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As to the first item, real property and negotiations with the city manager and the city attorney under government code section 54956.8, the city council discussed the matter and the various APNs that were initially discussed or identified to be discussed tonight. Certain of them were not discussed and provided unanimous direction to the city manager with respect to continuing negotiations.

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On item number two, real property negotiations under Government Code Section 54956.8, with respect to property at Grand Avenue and

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bent the and the listed APNs that are on the agenda.

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The City Council unit provided unanimous direction to the city manager in the city attorney with respect to various proposed land transfers, price and terms.

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On item number three, conference with legal counsel, existing litigation under government

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code section 54956.97, and sub-D sub-1, the city of San Marcos versus Sins, Lens,

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Sulu, Pastrana, a trustee of the AC-1 and AC-2 land trust-dated March 14, 2021,

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8227, the City Council received a status report from special council and

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didn't provide directions, simply received the status report and

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discuss a matter and no action, no reportable action was taken on that matter.

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That concludes the closed session report.

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Thank you, Mrs. Peake.

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With that, the closed session is now adjourned and we will be going right into the,

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I'm calling to order the regular City Council meeting for July 23, 2024, if you could please rise for the

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pledge of allegiance.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic

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for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Okay, have an invocation this evening?

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God of Peace, we invite you to preside over this meeting, even if we have different

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opinions give us the spirit of unity. Help us each listen politely as others share their

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points of view. Help us to carefully consider the relevant information that has been gathered.

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Help us to be innovative as we brainstorm solutions. Help us work as a unified team in combining ideas

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for a great outcome. Help us to work as a whole. May we have the spirit of camaraderie in this room

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and work together on a shared mission.

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Amen.

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Okay, can we please have the roll call, Mr. Scullik?

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Yeah, Council Member Musgrove.

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Here.

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Council Member Nunez.

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Present.

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Council Member Sonella.

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Here.

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Deputy Mayor Jenkins.

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Here.

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And Mayor Jones.

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Here.

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Okay.

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Proclamations and presentations are up next.

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We have no recipients that will be here this evening,

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so we will be actually moving on to our consent calendar.

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Are there any items that any council members wish to pull?

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I will be pulling item number 12, any other issue, any other agenda items?

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Move to approve the balance.

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Madam Mayor, one moment please.

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I'll withdraw the motion.

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Yes, council member.

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I'm going to be pulling item number 7.

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Okay. Item number 7 and item number 12 will be pulled. And I'll make a motion to approve

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the balance. Do I have a second? Second. Okay. Motion and second. All in favor?

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Any notes? Okay. Seeing none. Okay. Item number 7. Council member.

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Thank you, Mayor. At our last council meeting, I had voted no on this item, so I wanted

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I'm going to make sure to re-register this, my no vote on this item for the same reasons that I previously stated at our last council meeting.

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Okay. Any further discussion by any councilmembers?

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Seeing none, do I have a motion to approve?

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Move to approve item number seven.

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All right, I'll second that. We have a motion and a second all in favor.

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And no?

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And no for me.

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Okay item number 12, the item that I pulled, I actually have a long history of if there is a current business.

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In a location, I'm sorry, but we actually had three speakers on item. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Have them here. I didn't I didn't know. Okay. My apologies. We're going to go back.

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Sorry. It's okay. We were just moving quickly. Okay. So I have to actually. Oh, we have a few. Okay. I'm not sure exactly what the process is. I don't know either because it's never happened. But since I made the motion, I am comfortable with retracting it or whatever the proper.

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as I am. Okay, Mr. Speaker, is that good? I would recommend that the council vote on that as well.

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Okay, we have a motion and a second to be discussed, I guess it would be, to bring that back.

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We have, you can simply send it and then, and then bring it back after whatever, we've never had

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this in 18 years that I've been on the council.

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I'm a good rescind.

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Okay, all right, we have a motion in a second, all in favor.

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Public speakers on item number seven.

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Make a motion to reopen the item.

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No, we just need to do a rescind.

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Did I think?

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She said rescind.

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Do you, do you rescind and bring it back?

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I think by rescinding it, you did bring it back to life, so.

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All right, we have some public speakers started out by Justin Ann, followed by Emily

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Then it will be Warshan Ismail,

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then we have a few more after that as well.

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Those are the first three.

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Welcome, Justin.

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Under the Supreme Court's ruling in the case of Grants Pass, Oregon versus Johnson, localities

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are not able to arrest, ticket, and find people for sleeping outdoors and public property even

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of leaders have failed to produce enough affordable housing or shelter for everyone in the community

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who needs it. This decision sets a dangerous precedent that causes undue harm to people experiencing

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homelessness and gives free rein to local officials to prefer pointless and expensive arrests and

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imprisonment rather than real solutions. The A.F. amendments broad language prohibiting the

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inflection of cool and unusual punishments was understood at the time of its adoption to the U.S.

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institution to embody the principal proportionality, meaning that a punishment must be appropriately

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tailored to the seriousness of the offense. In Grants Pass, where the offense involves

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sleeping outside where no alternative shelter exists, any punishment including fines and

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jail time imposed by Grants Pass is plainly disproportionate.

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The twisted logic here ignores the if amendments prohibition on disproportionate punishment,

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which the Supreme Court has used to bar making it a crime to be addicted to drugs and to ban the death penalty for children and

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people with intellectual disabilities, for example. Not only this is wrong, morally, but we wouldn't be in this situation

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if it weren't for a rogue Supreme Court who was able to shove this through despite it clearly going against a long, long precedent.

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not to mention that it is against international law as housing is a human right, and also considering that Sam Marcus doesn't even have a shelter,

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it's ludicrous to criminalize houses people instead of addressing actual underlies and causes which is them not having access to shelter.

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There was a lot of talk at the last city council meeting about, you know, impact to the environment or whatever.

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Well, poverty is a big impact to the environment and you can address it by buildings.

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You can start off with a shelter.

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You could move on to things like affordable housing to actually give people places to live.

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That way they don't have to live on the street and dump sewage wherever that could be a hazard.

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I understand that it is a hazard and it would be nice if it didn't happen.

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But people are in desperate situations, so there was so much talk about, you know, unshelter

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people they don't want to go into a shelter was because there's rampant abuse in these

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areas.

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And let's take, for example, I mean if I lost my house and then someone was trying to

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put me into a shelter as opposed to sleeping in my car, I would much rather stay in my

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car because I know that I can at least have a chance of possibly going back into a housing

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at some point, whereas so many of these people that end up in shelters, it's like they're

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conceding whatever they have left.

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They lose so much of their autonomy.

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And what we need is more affordable housing solutions.

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We should not be formalizing homelessness.

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This is immoral.

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This is unacceptable.

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It should be illegal.

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Thank you, Justin.

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Next speaker is Emily Mana.

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Mohamed, followed by our word Sean is male.

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And then after that, it will be Rebecca.

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Councillor Russeller.

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Good evening, members. Good evening, councilmembers. I come here to oppose resolution number seven. It's completely inhumane to criminalize the House's population, especially when there's a lack of resources here in San Marcos. Today, I was like, okay, because you guys said there's a lot of resources, so why not take to the streets and see if there actually is some. But what I found is that majority of the resources are located in other areas of North County, such as

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ocean side or Esquindillo, but there is none. There's not any here. There's one safe place,

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but they only offer housing assistance, and that's a whole process as well. But there's

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no access to instant housing. Some people have emergency situations. You guys talk about

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the chance for fires here, because we do. Like that guy said last week, we delivered a

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bowl, so there could be fires here. So what happens whenever people lose their homes because

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of fires. We don't have emergency housing. We don't have a shelter. We don't have the

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resources for that. So, I mean, I understand if, you know, that's y'all's opinion and you

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guys want to criminalize, you know, unhoused people. I mean, that's you, right? But at least

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do that. Having a plan for people, having people in mind and having something available.

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That's all I ask. So just reconsider it. Make you free of time.

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Thank you, Emily. Next up is Warshawn Ismail, followed by Rebecca Rosler, followed by Angelina Guzman.

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This ordinance in its essence will criminalize and further stigmatize unhoused people.

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Criminalizing homelessness is a cruel policy. By definition, issuing misdemeanors, citations, fines,

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and incarcerating our all forms of criminalization.

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That has opted to punish people rather than addressing a larger systemic issue.

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Homelessness is pervasive and a multifaceted issue that is exasperated by government and legislations.

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We cannot resort to criminalizing the vulnerable members in our community.

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We are your constituents, regardless of housing status, unhoused people are deserving of dignity and respect.

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and of a sustainable solution to ensuring their well-being,

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not an afterthought prioritized over aesthetics.

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These are human beings not objects that cannot be displaced

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and disposed at your leisure.

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Rather than wasting money on a temporary solution,

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we can allocate resources and our efforts into making affordable housing,

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providing funds for emergency shelters and services.

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Reducing the rates of disparity will be more effective

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and spearheading homelessness.

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It goes without saying the unhoused people

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are at an intersection.

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More often than not being a part of marginalized communities,

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just proportionally people of color,

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people of lower socioeconomic status,

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people that are severing from substance abuse

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and or mental illness,

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and how that ties into mass incarceration

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and limited already limited scarce resources.

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Once that criminal label is branded on the individual,

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this placing unhoused people will not solve

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the issue of homelessness. They have nowhere to go and I urge you to vote against agenda item seven and it should be

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stated that last week or the last city council meeting, the expert couldn't even explain how on-house people being branded and criminalized will

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solve the issue of perpetual poverty. Thank you.

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Through Worshawne, next up is Rebecca Ursula, followed by Angelina Guzman, and then it will be Angelica Santiago.

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Good evening Mayor Jones and Council members.

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Today we are living through the greatest global displacement crisis in recorded history,

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with nearly 120 million people being forcibly removed from their homes due to violence, climate change, and poverty.

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I never expected this displacement to be happening within my own city.

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While people are at their most vulnerable, I find it disheartening that the city is willing to cause further stress and criminalize our houseless residents.

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I understand the desire to have our public spaces appearing clean and safe, but as a city that seems to send houseless residents to neighboring communities to receive assistance, I would urge the city to allocate funds to create space.

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such as a safe lot or shelter within our only city boundaries and at this time I would

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like to share a statement from a fellow resident who could not be here tonight.

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So on behalf of Fatima Rios Perez, she shares Dear Mayor Jones and City Council members.

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As you move forward with tonight's second reading of chapter 1033 of the Municipal Code.

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Um,

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pertaining to encampments, please also consider investing in housing resources for the unhoused communities.

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Ten years ago, I found myself without a home. I had just turned 18 years old.

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I was a freshman at Cal State San Marcos, and I was the primary caregiver of my 10 year old sister.

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I was not only looking for a place to lay my head at night, but more importantly, somewhere safe for my little sister.

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That summer, fall and winter, we had an abundance of help from Chaos State Samargas and other members of the community.

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My mission hills high school teachers offered to take us in, a former elementary teacher, and

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then, Nob Hill principal, Mrs. Nella, council member Mike Semella's wife, connected us with rock church for

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Thanksgiving meals and Christmas gifts.

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We both received new sneakers and more importantly, my little sister and

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American girl stall, which was on her wish list.

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My sister and I are very fortunate to have wonderful people in our lives who went

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a hand when we needed it most.

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Unfortunately, not everyone has the same level of support.

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At that time, an encampment was a realistic living option for us.

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As the city takes measures to safeguard city assets from dangers posed by camping encampments

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and living and vehicles, I hope the council also makes strides to aid these individuals

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as they, too, could be San Marcos residents, just like me.

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I'm grateful for the opportunities I've had while growing up in San Marcos,

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graduating from Cal State and now serving as the Chair in the City's Planning Commission.

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In the future, I hope we can allocate resources for

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others to get back on their feet instead of constituting misdemeanors and prosecuting fines.

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Thank you for your time.

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Thank you, Rebecca.

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Next up, Angelica Guzman, followed by Angelica Santiago.

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and then Jake Parvin?

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Well, I don't think the voting outcome is going to change,

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despite me wanting it to do so.

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I come with a solution.

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It's considerate me trying to do your guys' job

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by offering some help.

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I had the privilege of talking to Councilmember Sonella

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last meeting, and he was able to say that, you know,

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if the tax increase was passed in San Marcos,

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there would be the possibility of potentially using

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the city's tax money to potentially buy some property

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that could be used as a shelter because the closest one is an escondito, which is, you know,

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rather far. And I was thinking, if, you know, people were trying to look for shelter in other

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places, what other setbacks could that cause for them? Well, if someone was suddenly on

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house, but they still had a job in San Marcos, and they were forced to move to escondito and

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say they lost their house as well as their car, public transportation might not take them

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where they needed to go, they might not be able to afford having public transportation

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passes. So they lose the ability to head to their job and they lose the ability to make money,

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and then they lose their ability to potentially house themselves in the future. So having our own

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shelter on our own lands would be the first step as well as potentially a welfare office

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in San Marcos as well. I know that is particularly government business, but you know we can always

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dream. Additionally I would like to see the language surrounding the topic of encampments changes

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from the council members, it can be an emotional topic, you know, it can't be, but it starts

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to trickle into logical fallacy territory when we bring up examples of our own family

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members who are struggling with something so such extreme as substance abuse, which not

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every unhoused person, you know, suffers from and that might be something that is a stereotype

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placed on them, or you know, the waterways being clothed with furniture that we have no evidence

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of actually seeing that it was unhoused people doing so I know plenty of times I grew up in New York

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so a lot of people would actually leave their own property on the streets and it would end up in

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you know damaging places and that was from house people who were doing something like moving um so we

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need to avoid that um but we definitely need to take steps to the city to make sure that I understand

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you think that getting people off the streets is the best way to solve things but they're on the flip

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There has to be something for them to actually have a process of getting their life back together having the housing options offered.

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If this Walmart and San Marcos has a designated safe parking space making that openly available,

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having community workshops for perhaps resume building and this own building, things to actually help people improve their lives.

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Thank you.

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Next up is Angelica Santiago, followed by Jake Parvin, and then Alan Geracci.

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Thank you. Good evening, Mayor, Council Members and staff.

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My name is Angelica Santiago, and I'm a community educator with Universidad Popular.

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First of all, before I go to my comment, I do want to think Phil and his team for providing and dropping off donations for a food pantry. That it's open to all of our residents here at the Autumn Drive Office. So if you guys want to donate or stop by, please let us know and we'll give you a tour. So definitely I'm very disappointed on the decision that was made on July 9th on the approval of this encampment ordinance. So on that same day, right?

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We, it was approved to take this tax measure to the ballot and have the people vote and

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decide what they want, right?

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And we spoke about unity and community and working together, right, and improving and

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creating solutions.

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But part of those individuals is our homeless population, our individuals without a home, right?

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So we want to make sure that we are able to include them.

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And it's a big, it's such a wide spectrum.

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So we have college students, high school students, elementary students, we have single moms, single fathers.

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It's a whole spectrum, so it's not just your typical, right, stigma, homeless that sometimes we have in mind.

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So it's definitely a topic that we should include our community.

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A lot of us can be homeless any day.

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I have worked with many different individuals, elders, single moms, or even men, trying to improve, right, trying to get resources.

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Yes, I've used the city of San Marcos resources. There's a deficit. There is no housing. There's a huge waiting list.

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Yes, I have referred them to interface to Escondido. It's far. I've come to school from Escondido to San Marcos or even to this.

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And it's a two-hour transportation taking the bus. That is way too long for some of the individuals or it's not stable.

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and there's no resources for them at the moment, right?

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They have to wait five years, 10 years,

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or try to figure out a different situation.

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And we saw that that was also an issue with Vía Serena.

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Yes, people were provided resources to the end,

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but it was such a complicated process.

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And we do want to speak about the environmental damage,

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which is very crucial,

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but we also have to speak about the environmental justice

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and include our community all of our community including those folks that

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unfortunately don't live in a stable house and this is a really crucial topic

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not just for me for a lot of people because my brother was homeless right he

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was born and you know he wasn't born he wasn't raised here in San Marcos he

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graduated from Mission Hills High School he not not to brag but he was one of the

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best soccer players. He got many different trophies for being an amazing goalie and as well at

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Polymer College. But unfortunately he had obstacles and we didn't have the resources.

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Thank you. Thank you. I'll talk about it later. Thank you.

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Next is Jake Parvin, followed by Alan Jorakchi and then Christina.

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I'd like to say that I think the people are the one that...

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I'm sorry we can't we can't hear you if you might want to.

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I just wanted to say that I think the approval of the ordinances is that we just criminalizing the act of not having a house in the county where a minimum wage job can barely afford to land for one bedroom and a share of the permit is illogical and definitely a more I would like to suggest that you guys always have your presentation to go down to a local business and you guys talk with the local business on their new established connection so that we're.

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you guys give presentations on that. I think maybe going down to an account meant talking with

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some of those people, getting no sides of the story, seeing a new situation, maybe go down to

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a local warmer after one o'clock and talk with some of those people who are living out of the

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curve. It's obviously not a choice that they've made. It's a systematic issue.

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That was just my

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recommendation. Thank you. Thank you, Jay. Next up, Alan Geracci, followed by

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Christina.

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Good evening, Madam Mayor, City Council, staff and members of the

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community. I'm so glad to be able to add my voice to opposition to this

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ordinance. They stumbled past us in every community in America. Some are begging,

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some earnestly are seeking work, somewhere rags, or war medals, or both.

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These are our homeless brothers and sisters.

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The homeless population is expanding, but the problem is solvable if we can bear to look

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long enough to see the reality of the homeless.

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If we can't bestur ourselves long enough to implement solutions and if we can muster

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We are the courage to act pragmatically by staring the harsh realities calmly in the face. A solution is not to use criminalization or courts to solve the problem. By issuing citations or notices to appear in the court of law, we burden our courts and fail to address the issue, as if to sweep the problem under a municipal rug like it really does not exist. When I was a deputy city attorney for San Diego,

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So I routinely move to dismiss such citations in the interest of justice.

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Granted, the complexity of the task is daunting.

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According to Judge Robert Coates, who chronicled homelessness in San Diego County in a street is not a home.

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33% of homeless are mentally ill, while 33% are in poverty looking for work and just need transitional shelter.

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15 to 20% are women, 33% are substance abusers, 25% are veterans, 10% are teen runaways.

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Only 5% prefer homelessness and usually drift from place to place.

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By passing an ordinance today, the city is taking the wrong path.

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I recommend tabling this second reading and providing the community a workshop to identify

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by real solutions.

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We need to challenge the private sector, encourage and incentivize nonprofits, join ventures,

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and foundations to produce affordable housing.

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We need to approach this problem with solutions that include temporary shelters and low income

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housing solutions.

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Let's strengthen the inclusionary zoning ordinance by requiring developers to do more to meet

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the problem and maximize the existing inclusionary zoning ordinance so that developers don't constantly

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get out by buying their way out and not providing low income housing and by simply paying

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in lieu fees and walking away. We can and we must do better. Thank you.

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Thank you, Rowland. Next up, Christina.

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I wish the City Council could see community outreach as

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a beautiful resource that could help their city thrive, instead of seeing it as some

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displeasing obligation to try and get rid of what they see as a nuisance. Finding people

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who already don't have enough money to even pay for rent or groceries? Please someone explain

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to me how that makes any sense. And while you're at it, can you tell me where that money goes?

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Because it's most likely not going where it should be like providing shelters and effective resources

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courses for these people. Our economy has a lot of improvements to make.

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Charging and punishing those who are facing at the worst should not be a solution.

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If we really want a problem solved, we need to be investing in long term solutions.

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Mayor, you boast about having the highest percentage of affordable housing in the surrounding

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area, but with all due respect, it is not enough. Please continue working towards providing

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the quality of life you always refer to. Everyone in your city deserves that quality

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of life. Not just the ones blessed enough to have a roof over their head.

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Thank you, Christie.

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I have a letter to read from one of our residents,

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Mary Lee Vickers. Dear Mayor Rebecca Jones and fellow council members,

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I'm writing this to urge you to address the critical issue of homelessness in our district.

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The homeless man living on a sidewalk in my neighborhood has been there for over a year,

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and I have corresponded with the mayor and her hands have been tied due to various

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Government entities. My frustration continues as this still has not been taken care of, and now there is a second man living under the 78 freeway underpass blocking the sidewalk and bike paths on Mission Avenue.

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One of these men has been homeless in San Marcos for many years as we recognize him from living on the bike path with others along the railroad tracks.

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How can we be certain this is safe to ride a bike on a path that is hidden from the road in many areas?

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After encountering many homeless people on the bike path, we stopped riding our bikes in that area.

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It's gratuitous exposure to untreated mental health issues and drug abuse and a host of other contagions that I can't begin to identify.

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The possibility exists as spreading viruses amongst themselves and the rest of us.

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These men are encamped within 500 feet of the Learning Jungle Preschool.

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They are in my shopping center along mission-

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And my granddaughter has been exposed to various individuals at CVS on Woodland Parkway and to me, they could be a threat to my well-being and security for my family. Is this in your neighborhood? Perhaps not, but I imagine that you would tire of it after a year and seeing no sign of improvement as trash continues to grow. This is unsightly unsafe and a potential danger to me and my neighbors and my family. As a Sam Marcus homeowner, I have a strong commitment to having a beautiful home and

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the community. I've lived here since the 1970s and I love San Marcos, but I also see that

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most of the improvements being made don't include my neighborhood. I would like to believe

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that our area has not been forgotten, sincerely, merely, vickers. And then I've also had mentioned

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this last time in actually Deputy Mayor Jenkins had read an email from Cheryl Brown, which

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that she has sent more messages since and calls about thank you for taking action.

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Thank you for caring about our community.

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Thank you for trying to keep us safe and doing your best to make sure that we have a good

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community where people are not defecating on the streets, not urinating on the streets.

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Thank you for taking action.

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So with that, I will make a motion to approve this for the second reading as I did the first

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time.

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I disappointed the first time as well.

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And do I have a second?

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Second.

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Okay.

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I have a motion and a second.

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All in favor?

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Any notes?

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Sure.

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Yes.

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Deputy Mayor.

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Feel free.

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No problem.

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Sorry.

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I just want to also read an email that I received today.

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I don't know if everybody received it or not.

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I afforded to fill, so he'd have it for the record.

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Dear Deputy Mayor Jenkins, I urge you to read this article and carefully consider its human

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impact before final vote tonight on the encampment ban.

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While I fully realize that criminal activity dumping and blocking public access must be remediated,

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there are folks who have no choice due to a variety of issues including lack of affordable

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housing.

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I hope the City Council considers options that do not include enacting an encampment ban, and attached is an article from the San Diego Union, and it's from Kathy Steele.

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So I just want to make sure that was read into the record, and then could I ask a couple questions?

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Sure, I feel free.

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There were a couple comments came up tonight, and I just want to make sure accurate information is out there.

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And I think everybody knows this, but I'm not sure.

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So we have a sheriff's unit called the COPS unit, who probably many of them are sitting

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back there tonight.

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I'm getting some head nods.

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And they do outreach along with other teams, other resource teams, to help the homeless

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population.

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And so, I'm just wondering, Michelle, if you could kind of explain a little bit about what

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they do, because I know they have a lot of interactions, actually, I remember one

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time, several years ago, and I don't think the person sitting back there, but the sheriff

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was so excited, and I think we got a letter about this, I don't know how long ago, and

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And it was from a family because the COPS unit had helped this family move from a homeless

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situation living in a car to a resource for them, which I believe was a McAllister situation.

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And so they do a lot of work with the community, so it's not like people are not receiving

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any resources.

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So, I'm wondering if you could just explain some of what they do, we do to help people, and then I have a follow-up question.

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Yes, thank you, Deputy Mayor.

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The cops unit in actually, any of our deputies, when they do make contact with the unhoused population, they offer services.

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And they notify our county social worker, Yolanda, so that she can follow up and get directly in contact.

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On a bi-monthly basis, we have an organized outreach team that interacts with the unhoused

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population to offer shelter, medical assistance, enrollment in welfare programs, as well as

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case management.

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In addition to that and the one-on-one appointments that are made, should somebody need help obtaining

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an ID card or enrolling in SNAP benefits to obtain housing.

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The deputies assist with appointments as needed on a case-by-case basis, depending on the

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location and the social work is this.

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We also work with people assisting the homeless or POT, which is a nonprofit that provides ongoing outreach throughout the city. We have a dedicated social worker, Monica Ryan, who provides resources for unsheltered residents throughout the city.

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Okay, and then one follow-up question. Because I think there might be a perception that our sheriffs are going to automatically be going out there.

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are ticketing people, I'm not sure what the right term is, ticketing people, giving them

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a misdemeanor for what they do, but what plan do we have in place to before that sort

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of thing happens? There has to be something, they're not just going to go out and do that

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without trying to provide more help is my personal opinion. And so I'm wondering if you could explain

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What is the plan moving forward to still try to help people?

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I think the plan moving forward is fairly similar to what's in place today.

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This does offer the deputies the opportunity to make contact a little more easily with unsheltered folks.

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The current process is if we have an encampment that is close to the creek or is an obstruction or is creating an obstruction on public property,

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We may contact with the folks that are there, offer services.

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We also post the location with a 72 hour posting notice to let people know that on a date certain we will be coming by to clean the area.

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And so we're offering the opportunity to relocate to a different area or to one of the shelters or one of the areas that do provide services.

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My understanding is that this would kick in if people were choosing not to comply with the direction to change their location if that location was causing a public hazard.

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Okay. Thank you. I just wanted to clarify that because there were some comments made that we, that I think were maybe a misperception.

430
00:37:17,900 --> 00:37:30,780
And I think our deputies and our other support staff do try to provide if the person is willing to try to provide to get them to transitional housing.

431
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,260
And so I think we're doing everything we can.

432
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:36,760
Can we try to do more?

433
00:37:37,420 --> 00:37:43,640
Sure, we'll try to do more, but I am in favor of this moving forward.

434
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:45,760
So thank you for clarifying all that.

435
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,000
Thank you, Deputy Mayor.

436
00:37:49,140 --> 00:37:49,800
Yes, Councillor Neill.

437
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:54,900
I want to agree with and also thank the Deputy Mayor for making the comments that she

438
00:37:54,900 --> 00:37:55,000
did.

439
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,020
I think that's an important clarification.

440
00:37:57,940 --> 00:37:59,100
And thank you, Doris.

441
00:37:59,100 --> 00:38:05,800
City Manager, for kind of further putting a little bit more cover around the process because

442
00:38:06,700 --> 00:38:11,240
I too am confident that this will be handled in a responsible way with empathy.

443
00:38:12,420 --> 00:38:17,400
And when some of the speakers use the word criminalizing the on-house, I don't think

444
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,700
I think that's really the intent of this ordinance.

445
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,060
I think it really is to try to get folks help first and foremost.

446
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:30,320
And then for those who refuse help, then we need to look out after the rest of our community,

447
00:38:30,340 --> 00:38:35,740
there are other 100,000 people who live in San Marcos to ensure that there's environmental protections and

448
00:38:35,740 --> 00:38:38,580
public health protections for everybody in our community.

449
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,160
For that reason, I'm supportive of this ordinance.

450
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:48,540
And, you know, we do have a long history of trying to get people into the services, trying to get them help.

451
00:38:49,220 --> 00:39:06,160
And, you know, as far back as I want to say, it's probably been at least 15 years that we have spent at least $120,000 a year for homeless services to help people before.

452
00:39:06,700 --> 00:39:13,340
And we actually back then, I don't even think we had any point in time count back then.

453
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:18,500
And I don't think it was really an issue as far as something that we were feeling.

454
00:39:18,820 --> 00:39:23,300
It really has been something that has grown over the years.

455
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,920
But we have a long history council member just wanted to bring that up to you.

456
00:39:28,020 --> 00:39:34,340
Of working very hard to get people to the services if they are so inclined to actually take those services.

457
00:39:34,340 --> 00:39:38,940
So we've always been very compassionate, so I want to assure you, being that you're one

458
00:39:38,940 --> 00:39:44,780
of our new council members, we have really worked very hard and tried to get people to help

459
00:39:44,780 --> 00:39:45,460
that what they need.

460
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:51,040
And, you know, 10% of our total housing stock were doing much better than any other city

461
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:51,660
in the county.

462
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:53,480
Can we do better?

463
00:39:53,660 --> 00:39:56,640
Well, if we had a money tree, I would say definitely we could.

464
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:58,640
Unfortunately, that's not the case.

465
00:39:59,100 --> 00:39:59,940
We do work with...

466
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:29,360
Prior developers to pay for affordable housing. And we actually do the best with that when it ends up being that they were able to cobble that money together. But really, if you point back to 2012, May of 2012, when redevelopment agencies actually ended because of the state legislature, that's where you can point back to where we really became a society that had a growing housing shortage.

467
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:33,660
So, you know, I'm on the successor housing agency for the county.

468
00:40:34,300 --> 00:40:35,740
I see what's coming across.

469
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:43,240
It's becoming more difficult to actually use those funds that we did have allocated toward affordable housing.

470
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:49,300
I really wish the legislature would undo that action that they took because it really did.

471
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,980
There were many agencies that did a lot of good including the city of San Marcos.

472
00:40:53,980 --> 00:40:56,680
So anyway, we do have a motion in a second.

473
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:03,300
I think we should just after the discussion go ahead and codify our vote again.

474
00:41:03,620 --> 00:41:09,660
So I have a motion to approve, a second to approve, and so let's take a roll call.

475
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:10,960
I'm going to voice vote.

476
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:12,420
All in favor, aye?

477
00:41:13,420 --> 00:41:13,840
Sorry.

478
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:14,560
I think she is.

479
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:15,080
Oh, I'm sorry.

480
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:16,940
Councilmember, you had something else?

481
00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:17,520
I'm sorry.

482
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:18,020
I already spoke.

483
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:19,520
I didn't look your way.

484
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:19,760
Sorry.

485
00:41:20,380 --> 00:41:21,100
Thank you, Mayor.

486
00:41:21,420 --> 00:41:23,020
I do want to make a couple of comments.

487
00:41:23,020 --> 00:41:28,120
First, I want to thank the speakers that are here tonight and spoke on this issue.

488
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:37,280
I think it continues to show that this obviously is an issue that we are confronting and we are going to continue to confront.

489
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:47,760
It doesn't change my mind in terms of the issue that I have with actually, regardless of the intent, I think the result is criminalization.

490
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:56,760
and so I'm not in favor of that but I'm certainly encouraged by our speakers today and the

491
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:04,020
ideas that they're bringing forward and so that is really refreshing that we do have

492
00:42:04,020 --> 00:42:09,600
some tangible ideas that potentially we should be pursuing and so I'm going to continue

493
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:16,380
to request that as a body as a council we do look at any potential options that we may

494
00:42:16,380 --> 00:42:22,500
have to offer our residents that are really finding themselves in these difficult situations.

495
00:42:23,300 --> 00:42:29,960
And I think it's something that I think it sounds like we, or it seems like we disagree

496
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:36,060
that I don't think we have the resources to face this right now as we speak.

497
00:42:36,540 --> 00:42:44,760
And so I do want us to continue to pursue options so that every time our deputies are one

498
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:50,380
One of us encounter somebody that is on-house, somebody that needs resources, that we actually

499
00:42:50,380 --> 00:42:55,120
do have an ability to provide them with those resources and those options.

500
00:42:55,700 --> 00:43:02,160
And so I do encourage for us to continue to actively seek that and to bring actual

501
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:09,220
resources, actual housing, or maybe places that the residents and find themselves on-house

502
00:43:09,220 --> 00:43:11,300
actually can take advantage of.

503
00:43:11,300 --> 00:43:16,860
And that is one of the issues that I continue to see that we do not have sufficient beds.

504
00:43:16,860 --> 00:43:20,720
We do not have sufficient temporary permanent housing.

505
00:43:21,420 --> 00:43:24,940
And so my request is going to continue to be the same.

506
00:43:26,020 --> 00:43:27,160
Thank you, Council Member.

507
00:43:27,580 --> 00:43:28,940
Yes, sure.

508
00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:30,180
Council Member, I must say.

509
00:43:30,180 --> 00:43:31,020
I'll be extremely brief.

510
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,380
And as the speakers were up here, I was going through the actual ordinance.

511
00:43:34,380 --> 00:43:37,400
It's a number of pages, so as certain areas are being addressed,

512
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,360
I was finding those and reading what it says.

513
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,380
because this is not all on the shoulder of the deputies.

514
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:58,920
It talks about public works, code enforcement, or any other employees or contractors that City has because not one particular scenario fits every person who might encounter, but consistently through that and ever talks about the status of the individual, it talks about the conduct.

515
00:43:59,580 --> 00:44:03,280
So the ordinance does not address homelessness, the ordinance addresses illegal camping,

516
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:08,620
being disposing of property, leaving property abandonment and the contamination of the public

517
00:44:08,620 --> 00:44:12,140
rights away. And that's what the ordinance addresses. So we could be, as I said two weeks

518
00:44:12,140 --> 00:44:16,200
ago, it applies to everyone in this room, everyone in the community. Thank you.

519
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,960
Okay. Are we ready to vote?

520
00:44:20,660 --> 00:44:27,140
I'm emotional. Is anyone okay? I want everyone to have their voice heard. So okay, I'm emotional

521
00:44:27,140 --> 00:44:28,320
in the second all in favor.

522
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:29,160
Aye.

523
00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:30,040
Any no's?

524
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:30,700
No.

525
00:44:31,220 --> 00:44:31,500
Okay.

526
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,460
Motion passes four to one.

527
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,980
We have oral communications up next.

528
00:44:37,180 --> 00:44:37,600
No.

529
00:44:37,780 --> 00:44:38,780
No oral communication.

530
00:44:39,380 --> 00:44:39,680
I'm sorry.

531
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:40,420
Do item 12.

532
00:44:41,820 --> 00:44:42,340
Sorry.

533
00:44:42,940 --> 00:44:43,780
Item 12.

534
00:44:43,940 --> 00:44:44,440
Oh yeah.

535
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:45,280
Well you know what?

536
00:44:45,340 --> 00:44:46,680
We just keep moving all around.

537
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,860
So I started to get into that and then I'm thinking I already did.

538
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:51,280
Okay.

539
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:56,940
So I have had the same stand each time on any business that is currently.

540
00:44:56,940 --> 00:44:59,980
located in a certain space.

541
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:29,980
I think it's a new business that I don't believe that that business should have to annex into a congestion management because it's not really actually bringing in more traffic. It's the same traffic that was there, but it's a new business that is taking over that traffic. I think it's an unfair burden, and so therefore I will not be supporting that.

542
00:45:29,980 --> 00:45:34,080
item number 12, any further discussion from any other council members?

543
00:45:35,140 --> 00:45:39,140
I think more information on the particular change on the business.

544
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,380
Some may require that, so there may be an issue with the amount of services that the city

545
00:45:43,380 --> 00:45:43,820
provides.

546
00:45:44,660 --> 00:45:50,020
So is this designed to be a blanket ordinance because this specifically talks about an area?

547
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:56,900
It is any change of a business, and I'm okay with it actually being a vacant piece of land

548
00:45:56,900 --> 00:46:03,000
and then getting a CUP and having to annex into congestion management on a piece of property

549
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:08,480
that is currently there that has had a use on it. I just don't think that it seems

550
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,700
fair to me and so I actually have voted since the very beginning. I forget what year it was

551
00:46:12,700 --> 00:46:21,960
but it was quite a while ago. Anyway, that's my feeling about that. So anyway, any other

552
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:29,920
further discussion? I'll move to approve item 12. I'll second. Okay we have a motion and second

553
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:37,800
all in favor. Hi. Hi. And he knows. No. Okay. Motion passes 4 to 1. Moving on to oral communications

554
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:46,280
now. Okay. So we do have five speakers. We have a 15 minute time period and then the rest will

555
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,460
be after our other business.

556
00:46:49,740 --> 00:46:59,120
So our first speaker is going to be Tom DeGratis, followed by Joshua Labrato, followed

557
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:05,520
by Emily Muhammad, and then Angelina Guzman, followed by Worshawne Ismail.

558
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:09,000
Hello.

559
00:47:09,740 --> 00:47:10,300
Hello.

560
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:10,520
Hello.

561
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:10,620
Hello.

562
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:10,700
Hello.

563
00:47:11,100 --> 00:47:11,900
Hello.

564
00:47:11,900 --> 00:47:12,780
I'm Marco City Council.

565
00:47:13,220 --> 00:47:17,080
I would like to thank you for a wonderful place to live.

566
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,680
Very, you're doing a great job.

567
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,960
I really want to thank the San Marcos Fire Department

568
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:27,240
who responded so heroically and quickly to a unit

569
00:47:27,240 --> 00:47:31,720
that burnt in our mobile home park.

570
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:34,540
That's why I'm here today.

571
00:47:35,500 --> 00:47:36,840
I'm from Viston Meadows,

572
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:45,800
Those mobile home park board of directors, HOA, we have a new property management company

573
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:52,380
that is what we believe is unfairly giving out eviction notices.

574
00:47:53,340 --> 00:47:59,780
Some homes I believe do need some restoration, some paint, some upkeep.

575
00:47:59,780 --> 00:48:08,700
I will agree with that, but there is one case where a 72-year-old woman, her place,

576
00:48:08,860 --> 00:48:18,200
was what I believe was one of the nicer homes, and this MKC Western management company that

577
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:27,340
took over and about the years of the COVID time, around 2004 or so, or 2020, I'm sorry.

578
00:48:27,340 --> 00:48:35,480
All right, she's in two thousands of dollars of attorney fees and her place is just fine.

579
00:48:36,100 --> 00:48:40,880
I have about five other cases here and some of these people are long time residents.

580
00:48:41,940 --> 00:48:49,100
Maybe she's actually one of the original residents where her parents bought the home back in the 70s.

581
00:48:50,740 --> 00:48:53,620
I just believe this is unethical business practice.

582
00:48:53,620 --> 00:49:02,920
I would ask the city clerk that if he could briefly scroll through some of the rent roles,

583
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:09,660
if any of those rents have been doubled in the last year or so or last three years they've

584
00:49:09,660 --> 00:49:15,540
been there, this would be a violation because they pressure when the homes get sold.

585
00:49:16,100 --> 00:49:21,240
They pressure raising the rents, doubling the rents, which is against the ordinance.

586
00:49:21,240 --> 00:49:31,480
We love the ordinance, and we appreciate the fact that the owners did not ask for a large increase this year.

587
00:49:31,580 --> 00:49:46,920
They were right where we were expecting, but it's this new management company that are using lawyers, intimidation, and eviction notices to put us in a very uncomfortable, very stressful way of living.

588
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:54,460
And that's about all I have to say for now, if there's any help, we really don't want

589
00:49:54,460 --> 00:49:58,780
to have to come to the city on an issue like this, but we are talking about our homes

590
00:49:58,780 --> 00:49:59,840
here in San Marco.

591
00:50:00,540 --> 00:50:29,980
But I would like to know if there's any help we can get as far as any kind of, we are reaching out to HUD, right now. So, Tom, this does fall within a regular city business. However, it is not a agenda. So what I would request that you do is leave your contact information. We will have our housing services team get together with you. Very good. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Next up is going to be

592
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:37,760
Joshua Liberado, followed by Emily Muhammad, Angela Guzman, and then Worshan Ismail.

593
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:45,120
I'll keep this brief.

594
00:50:45,700 --> 00:50:47,040
Good evening, city council members.

595
00:50:47,900 --> 00:50:51,640
This might not be your first time seeing my face, but it is the first time you're knowing

596
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:51,960
my name.

597
00:50:53,060 --> 00:50:54,080
First, let me introduce myself.

598
00:50:54,260 --> 00:50:59,100
I'm a Cal State San Marco student, and my tuition is being fully paid and funds provided

599
00:50:59,100 --> 00:51:00,180
by me and my family.

600
00:51:00,180 --> 00:51:07,300
Secondly, second, do not use my hour money to punish those at their lowest.

601
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:14,480
Some weeks ago, I saw a graphic where up to 44% of the city's funding will go to law enforcement.

602
00:51:16,060 --> 00:51:18,600
I do not support the vote to criminalize unhoused people.

603
00:51:19,420 --> 00:51:20,160
Reverse the vote.

604
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,520
Do not put the vanity of the city over the people of the city.

605
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:28,080
Third, you have the power to issue a permanent ceasefire statement.

606
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:33,020
And use your influence, be an example for the cities and towns that surround us.

607
00:51:33,740 --> 00:51:34,860
That's it.

608
00:51:35,620 --> 00:51:43,100
Joa, next up is going to be Emily Muthamid, followed by Angelina Guzman, and then Warshon

609
00:51:43,100 --> 00:51:43,500
Ismail.

610
00:51:47,020 --> 00:51:48,380
Good evening, council members.

611
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:50,200
My name is Emily Mahmoud.

612
00:51:50,540 --> 00:51:52,500
I go to Cal State University San Marcos.

613
00:51:53,420 --> 00:51:58,740
I come here before you speak on a issuing a permanent ceasefire resolution using your power

614
00:51:58,740 --> 00:51:59,180
for good.

615
00:52:00,300 --> 00:52:08,420
every day there are 505 bombings in Palestine and that is 21 per hour and there are over 40,000

616
00:52:08,420 --> 00:52:12,880
people that are dead and we don't even know how many people have died. So just, you know,

617
00:52:13,140 --> 00:52:18,020
user voices for changing for good things because it's awful what's going on. There's a genocide

618
00:52:18,020 --> 00:52:23,900
going on and, you know, whatever side you see things people are dying. People are dying. So

619
00:52:23,900 --> 00:52:28,300
just use your voice for good and put a ceasefire or permanent ceasefire resolution on the agenda.

620
00:52:28,300 --> 00:52:34,360
that's all we ask of you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Emily. Next up Angelina Guzman,

621
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:35,860
followed by Warshan Ismail.

622
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:51,020
My name is Angelina Guzman. I am the children of people from

623
00:52:51,020 --> 00:52:56,220
Occupied Territory in the Caribbean. You guys call it Puerto Rico. We call it Puddingken.

624
00:52:56,700 --> 00:53:02,980
I am also the daughter of a man whose father was born in Beirut, Lebanon, which has been bombed

625
00:53:02,980 --> 00:53:04,420
by the Israeli military.

626
00:53:05,580 --> 00:53:08,520
So let's bring it here, this land right here.

627
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,940
We have been here for weeks and you're not listening to us,

628
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,180
which you have the full ability to do that.

629
00:53:17,720 --> 00:53:21,480
But what I will not stand for and what I urge you to speak up against

630
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:25,160
is the prejudice that we have experienced in this very room.

631
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:29,820
That includes racist remarks that have been whether or not intentional

632
00:53:29,820 --> 00:53:32,180
or not, not apologized for,

633
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:37,720
allowing other citizens to speak up with races and anti-Semitic remarks towards

634
00:53:37,720 --> 00:53:43,620
the people I stand with and not telling other city members to be quiet when

635
00:53:43,620 --> 00:53:47,360
it was on of our terms to speak up. However, I will thank Mayor Jones for

636
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,560
defending me at one time when I was being interrupted. I'd like to see that

637
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:55,300
energy for everyone. Listening to our name corrections, I understand some names

638
00:53:55,300 --> 00:53:59,600
are hard but you know here at once the understand or ask that's also something

639
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:08,280
we can do. Also, it seems that you can, you know, involve yourself in international business,

640
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:14,140
mayor Jones, if you're able to post support for Israel. So our request for a ceasefire

641
00:54:14,140 --> 00:54:18,800
statement should not be impossible, actually. It should be very doable considering the fact

642
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,920
that it is now normalized to stand in support of Palestine following the ICJ's ruling that is

643
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:28,860
illegal apartheid state and is demanded to pay reparations to the Palestinian people. It has slaughtered

644
00:54:28,860 --> 00:54:34,700
for 100 years. So, you know, maybe go with the trends for once, like people always say,

645
00:54:34,740 --> 00:54:39,180
our generation does and release the statement. We're not asking you to solve, you know,

646
00:54:39,340 --> 00:54:43,040
world peace. We're asking you to release the statement. And we've been here for weeks

647
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,520
doing that. It should not be this hard. Thank you.

648
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:54,940
And next up is Warshan Ismail. And I almost missed Justin Gans also wanted to speak under

649
00:54:54,940 --> 00:54:59,920
public comment. I wanted to let you know, Justin, you will be at the second comment period.

650
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But I didn't want you to think I forgot about you, Warsaw. At this point, your silence and censorship are a response with disturbing implications. Throughout the past few weeks, council, city council meetings, we have come to the conclusion that you council members do not have an issue condoning violence. Your sole issues that we are demanding peace for Palestinians, for our Arab and majority are Muslim. You council members have shown us that your judgment is clouded through

651
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bias in your comments mainly yours Rebecca Jones. It has recently come to our attention

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that you have reposted and participated in an Israeli rally. Israel is a genocidal occupational

653
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apartheid regime that has massacred a documented estimation of 186,000 lives from 76 years and

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nine months. This is a direct indication that you mayor and any council member that has

655
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knowledge of her affiliation with Israel is corrupt. The pushback was not with the mayor

656
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and council members need to remain neutral. Rebecca Jones, the reason you have remained

657
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silent and refused her demands is not for the well-being of this city, but because you yourself

658
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are Zionist. Are you Rebecca Jones aware that Zionism kills and has killed over 40,000 Palestinian

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00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:28,710
innocent civilian lives. You pray for peace, that's what you commented, but do you

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pray for the peace of Palestinian lives?

661
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Are you a Zionist, Rebecca Jones?

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This

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is your time to amend what you willingly posted on your social media page, and

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is there anything you have to say for yourself.

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You should step back from your

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role as mayor, not only have you refused to represent our voices, but you are

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biased and unfit to protect and serve the marginalized members in San Marcos. Do

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Do you have anything to say for yourself?

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Are you a Zionist?

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Thank you, Warshan.

671
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Next up is going to be our ordinances item number 17.

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Ordinance 2024, 1549.

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The ordinance amending municipal code title 14,

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construction within street sidewalks and public places,

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underground utilities, sections 14.04,

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4.01014.1260 and 14.12240 and 14.2080. It's a second reading but do we have any discussion

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on this item?

678
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We do have a presentation on item 17, that ordinance if Council would like

679
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We'll hear that tonight.

680
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:57,680
Thank you.

681
00:58:59,020 --> 00:59:07,700
All right, so this is the introduction of an ordinance, 2024-1549, which is a mending title

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14.

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Title 14 pertains to construction in public streets and public places.

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So we're recommending that City Council introduce ordinance 2024-1549.

685
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and specifically the amendments that were focused on tonight pertain to sections 14.04.010, 14.12.160, 14.12.204, and 14.218.080.

686
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They're relatively minor changes, but we'll walk through them here really quick.

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So title 14, it establishes requirements anytime someone wants to work within a public street.

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So it pertains to things like encroachments and street repair, things like that.

689
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We actually updated this title relatively recently in 2022.

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you. And these are the four.

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All sections were proposing to modify the relatively small modifications. In the first section, we clarified the definition of a driveway. There's a reference in the second section to a residential driveway, which is not actually a chapter, chapter definition. And so we've removed that misleading reference. In the third section, we are replacing pavement restoration language that was in place prior to the

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01:00:29,980 --> 01:00:37,680
the 2022 update and that is still required to mimic current city practice.

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01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,220
The pavement restoration requirements are not changing.

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They have been the same since before 2022.

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And we are simply restoring the language that describes them.

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And then in the last section we're clarifying encroachment requirements that require that

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the private property owner maintain any private encroachment that they are allowed by permit

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to construct on city property.

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01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:11,880
So as far as the introduction, we feel that this is not a project as defined by section

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15378 of CEQA guidelines, because there is no potential to result in a director and direct

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01:01:18,460 --> 01:01:20,180
physical change to the environment.

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And if it was found to be a project under CEQA, it would be exempt on the basis that it

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It can be seen with certainty that there is no possibility that proposed ordinance would

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have a significant effect on the environment.

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Staff recommends that Council introduce ordinance 2024-1549, amending municipal code title

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14, title of construction within streets, sidewalks and public places, underground utility facilities,

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Section 14.04.010, 14.12.160, 14.12.240, and 14.21.080.

708
01:02:03,740 --> 01:02:04,420
Thank you.

709
01:02:07,620 --> 01:02:10,180
Much definitely. Any questions from the council?

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Council Member Senella.

711
01:02:12,460 --> 01:02:17,960
Just a comment. I'll make a motion if there's not anybody else that wants to comment on this.

712
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:23,160
I just, not just specific to this ordinance that we're looking at tonight, but

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it seems to me over the last few months, maybe even most of the year there's been a number of

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01:02:29,300 --> 01:02:35,600
ordinances I've been reviewed and enhanced and change slightly where needed.

715
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:38,360
I just really appreciate the effort that staff's making on that.

716
01:02:38,940 --> 01:02:44,380
I do know from my time, my eight years at Valesuitos Water, we struggled with that because there's so

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01:02:44,380 --> 01:02:52,820
many policies and processes that an agency like a water district or a city you know that

718
01:02:52,820 --> 01:02:56,420
we're operating under a lot and so it takes a lot of effort and time to go through this

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and I don't recall that effort taking place in the first year that I was on the council

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but I definitely noticed it the second year and I really appreciate it so thank you.

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Oh and with that I moved to approve item number 17.

722
01:03:11,580 --> 01:03:17,400
All right. I'll second that. I did want to comment on that. I think at our first goal

723
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:23,260
setting, we did discuss this with staff that we wanted them to bring back things as they

724
01:03:23,260 --> 01:03:27,280
were coming along. And thank you, Mrs. Peake, because we know that you're involved in this

725
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:32,480
too to make sure everything's written properly. So anyway, we have a motion and a second

726
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:37,860
any further discussion from Council? Seeing none, all in favor? Aye. Aye.

727
01:03:37,860 --> 01:03:45,860
Any notes? Okay. Moving on. And yes, that was an introduction so that we'll come back at our next meeting.

728
01:03:46,180 --> 01:03:55,700
Then we are going to move on to public hearings. Item number 18, the resolution 2024, 9335 and 2024, 9336,

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adopting the Act of Transportation Plan and approving a general plan amendment, GPA 24-001 to amend the mobility element

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01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:08,020
as recommended by the Planning Commission by vote of six to zero.

731
01:04:08,780 --> 01:04:11,260
So we have a presentation on this.

732
01:04:11,700 --> 01:04:12,780
Yes, we do, thank you.

733
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:13,160
Thank you.

734
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:14,920
And we're off again.

735
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:21,040
So on this one, we're recommending that City Council adopt a categorical exemption,

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01:04:21,940 --> 01:04:25,740
approve a resolution that would adopt the Active Transportation Plan,

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01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:29,440
and approve a resolution for a general plan amendment,

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01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:32,020
and we'll walk through all of those in tail.

739
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:38,260
So first, starting with the Active Transportation Plan, we don't currently have this document

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01:04:38,260 --> 01:04:39,000
as a city.

741
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:45,680
And it's a really important way for San Marcos to map where we're headed as far as

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01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:47,240
Active Transportation goes.

743
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:52,120
It also ties into things like climate action goals and equity across our communities.

744
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:56,600
So it's a really important document that we're bringing forward tonight for your consideration.

745
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,480
but what exactly does it do?

746
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:29,980
It looks city-wide, and the goal is to identify high stress environments where biking or pedestrian facilities are lacking, and then to fill those gaps with infrastructure and programs and policies to make a much more reliable and connected network across the city. So, it looks very holistically and ties in with things like our trails master plan to form a city-wide network that you can use to access all of the key destinations.

747
01:05:29,980 --> 01:05:36,940
in the city. What it does not do is commit any funding to these sorts of efforts. So this is

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01:05:36,940 --> 01:05:43,540
a planning level document. It's mapping out that network but it does not commit any funding

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01:05:43,540 --> 01:05:49,700
to any particular project and it doesn't identify any future sources of funding. So the city would

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01:05:49,700 --> 01:05:55,620
need to use this document to try to leverage future grant opportunities and things like that to

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01:05:55,620 --> 01:05:57,620
to actually construct the infrastructure

752
01:05:57,620 --> 01:05:59,080
that's identified in the plan.

753
01:06:01,310 --> 01:06:02,790
The strategy for the ATP,

754
01:06:03,550 --> 01:06:06,970
we first assessed all of the existing infrastructure

755
01:06:06,970 --> 01:06:09,950
in San Marcos and mapped that city wide.

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01:06:10,350 --> 01:06:12,730
So that enabled us then to look in

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01:06:12,730 --> 01:06:14,470
at first and last mile connections.

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01:06:15,090 --> 01:06:18,110
We really focused on areas like schools and parks

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01:06:18,110 --> 01:06:21,430
and transit as some of the most important destinations

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01:06:21,670 --> 01:06:22,430
for our city.

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01:06:23,130 --> 01:06:25,990
Then we looked at the places where we had gaps

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01:06:25,990 --> 01:06:32,490
in that network. And the thought there was that if we look at places where we construct

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01:06:32,490 --> 01:06:39,110
a relatively short segment of biker pedestrian facilities and we can close a gap, now we

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01:06:39,110 --> 01:06:45,230
have just made a much larger segment function much better with a relatively small investment.

765
01:06:45,530 --> 01:06:52,010
So we've really prioritized those things as well. We've also focused on low stress alternative

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01:06:52,010 --> 01:07:11,070
So in some places it is very desirable to use a bike facility that is on an arterial roadway, but some riders may still want to have a different choice available to them. And we recognize that and the ATP anticipates that.

767
01:07:11,270 --> 01:07:20,370
So there are facilities for you if you are very comfortable on a bicycle, there are facilities for you if you want an alternative route that doesn't take you on a busy street.

768
01:07:20,370 --> 01:07:25,250
And then we've looked to minimize conflicts between vehicles, bikes,

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01:07:25,550 --> 01:07:29,670
pets, and to overall improve the safety of our network.

770
01:07:32,130 --> 01:07:36,830
There are a number of pedestrian enhancements that the ATP contemplates.

771
01:07:37,170 --> 01:07:42,210
So first, it just looks at kind of an enhanced pedestrian environment.

772
01:07:42,510 --> 01:07:47,490
And that means an environment that feels better and feels more enticing,

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01:07:47,950 --> 01:07:50,690
engaging, that people actually want to get out and walk in.

774
01:07:50,690 --> 01:07:53,850
So we do that with wider sidewalks, landscape buffers,

775
01:07:54,110 --> 01:07:57,710
benches, all the stuff that Joe's team is really good

776
01:07:57,710 --> 01:07:59,150
at turning out for us.

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01:07:59,790 --> 01:08:02,270
And then we add in some engineering elements,

778
01:08:02,610 --> 01:08:06,190
things like mid-block crossings at appropriate locations.

779
01:08:06,970 --> 01:08:09,570
These are very context-sensitive improvements.

780
01:08:09,950 --> 01:08:11,650
They're not the right solutions everywhere,

781
01:08:11,930 --> 01:08:12,890
but sometimes they are.

782
01:08:13,530 --> 01:08:16,250
And in this photo, you see curb extensions,

783
01:08:17,050 --> 01:08:19,230
such as exists today in Santa Leihau.

784
01:08:19,230 --> 01:08:23,930
That's the kind of feature that makes pedestrians much more visible to drivers.

785
01:08:24,350 --> 01:08:30,610
It has a relatively high upfront investment because it is a capital project to construct

786
01:08:30,610 --> 01:08:34,470
those, but then the return and the maintenance are relatively low.

787
01:08:34,730 --> 01:08:39,130
So the ATP proposes facilities like that as strategies.

788
01:08:39,630 --> 01:08:44,590
We don't specify any particular locations for these strategies, but just that they are

789
01:08:44,590 --> 01:08:47,110
available in the toolbox for the city to use.

790
01:08:47,110 --> 01:08:56,190
When it comes to bike facilities, we have the whole range of bike facilities proposed

791
01:08:56,190 --> 01:09:01,050
in the ATP, all the way from things that tend to make people a little bit less comfortable

792
01:09:01,050 --> 01:09:06,670
like riding in a class 3, which is basically a sharrow, so you are riding with the traffic.

793
01:09:07,270 --> 01:09:12,110
We're working to move away from those types of facilities towards a class 2,

794
01:09:17,510 --> 01:09:18,530
which is

795
01:09:18,530 --> 01:09:23,090
little three-foot gore strip to give you a little bit more comfort and separation.

796
01:09:23,850 --> 01:09:29,950
And then where we would like to ultimately end up is with the Class 4 and the Class 1.

797
01:09:30,130 --> 01:09:36,450
Those are separated or multi-use paths so they're completely separate from vehicular traffic.

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01:09:39,690 --> 01:09:48,890
Altogether the ATP is proposing to add in the interim network about 36.8 miles of Class

799
01:09:48,890 --> 01:09:56,050
one in class four facilities. I say interim because the plan actually includes two separate maps.

800
01:09:56,630 --> 01:09:59,630
There's the interim map that we can achieve with relatively

801
01:10:00,700 --> 01:10:29,980
We're not going to spend a lot of money today. We don't have to acquire right of way. It's not going to require very large capital projects to get those interim facilities constructed. And then we also have the ultimate bicycle network that will take more time. We will incrementally develop that, or we might get a grant that would give us a large segment of the ultimate network. And when we do achieve that ultimate network, we're going to be looking at over a hundred

802
01:10:29,980 --> 01:10:34,400
100 miles of protected class one and class four facilities,

803
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:37,520
the most comfortable types of facilities in San Marcos.

804
01:10:39,430 --> 01:10:42,840
The general plan amendment comes into play for this as well.

805
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:46,340
And one of the reasons that we're pursuing it

806
01:10:46,340 --> 01:10:50,040
is to link in with this active transportation planning.

807
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:54,400
Another reason is to update our traffic performance metrics

808
01:10:54,810 --> 01:10:57,500
and finally our truck route designations.

809
01:10:57,500 --> 01:11:03,280
and then there are some policy changes sprinkled throughout there that tie in with these three themes.

810
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:16,380
As far as active transportation planning, we want to adopt the ATP and we'd like to have changes in the general plan that are consistent with what we're showing in the active transportation plan.

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01:11:16,780 --> 01:11:23,180
One of the main changes there is removing the bicycle network map that is currently in the general plan.

812
01:11:23,180 --> 01:11:25,660
It won't exist in the general plan anymore.

813
01:11:26,140 --> 01:11:29,340
It will exist only in the active transportation plan.

814
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:31,660
So it'll be a much more current document

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01:11:31,660 --> 01:11:34,560
and we don't have to worry about conflicts

816
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:38,060
between the general plan and our active transportation plan.

817
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:43,520
We'll also update the traffic performance metrics.

818
01:11:44,260 --> 01:11:46,500
As you all know, we have a new metric

819
01:11:46,500 --> 01:11:49,380
for measuring traffic performance and that's VMT.

820
01:11:49,380 --> 01:11:58,240
the city relies on both VMT consistent with SQL law, and then we also look at roadway

821
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:03,600
and capacity delay as far as a level of service perspective for general plan consistency.

822
01:12:04,380 --> 01:12:09,060
So we're reworking the general plan to mirror the way that we're actually doing business.

823
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:15,580
It's one of those updates so that it is now evident from our general plan the way that

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01:12:15,580 --> 01:12:17,700
the city will review applications.

825
01:12:17,700 --> 01:12:23,900
We've also added some sections in there to highlight some proactive strategies to make

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01:12:23,900 --> 01:12:29,540
our streets safer, things like improving driver attention or implementing traffic calming

827
01:12:29,540 --> 01:12:34,300
measures where they're appropriate, and just overall improving compliance with roadway

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01:12:34,300 --> 01:12:34,900
regulations.

829
01:12:35,300 --> 01:12:39,460
So these are now goals that are discussed in our general plan.

830
01:12:41,100 --> 01:12:47,360
And then with the truck route designations, we had a bit of an odd situation where we

831
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:51,480
There were designating truck routes in the general plan, and then we also had listings

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01:12:51,480 --> 01:12:53,720
of truck routes in the municipal code.

833
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:59,320
And that was a little bit odd, and it also meant that in order to keep up with the kind

834
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:04,240
of updates that we're talking about tonight, these regular house cleaning kinds of items,

835
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:09,560
we would need to do a general plan amendment every time we wanted to update the truck routes.

836
01:13:10,500 --> 01:13:15,820
And that kind of construct is probably not the best for staying current, so we're suggesting

837
01:13:15,820 --> 01:13:25,080
that we just rely on the truck routes that are in Title 12. City Council just considered those changes recently.

838
01:13:25,620 --> 01:13:33,920
And then we would remove them from the general plan. So no conflict, and we can update them coming to City Council much more easily.

839
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:41,420
These actions are categorically exempt under the common sense rule.

840
01:13:41,420 --> 01:13:47,820
The amendments that were proposing are policy level changes, and they don't result in any physical improvements.

841
01:13:48,700 --> 01:13:56,380
The EIR 11-44 was certified by City Council back in 2012, and no substantial changes have occurred.

842
01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:03,040
The previously adopted and certified EIR is adequate without any modification.

843
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:12,900
We did go through a robust public comment process in order to arrive at the active transportation

844
01:14:12,900 --> 01:14:14,440
plan that we brought you tonight.

845
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:22,380
From fall of 2022 through summer of 2023, there were a number of workshops held by staff

846
01:14:22,380 --> 01:14:23,540
and consultants.

847
01:14:24,140 --> 01:14:29,400
They also attended a number of public-facing events, things like the spring fling.

848
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:31,760
They were out there trying to get public input.

849
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:37,860
But the public had opportunities to mark up maps of the city with the areas that concerned

850
01:14:37,860 --> 01:14:43,880
them and all of that was rolled into the plan that we're bringing you tonight.

851
01:14:45,340 --> 01:14:51,160
We also conducted walk audits in coordination with the school district for each of the 18 schools

852
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:58,840
that are in San Marcos and conducted handry surveys with the students reached out to the

853
01:14:58,840 --> 01:14:59,560
parents so.

854
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,660
There's also a safe routes to school element included in this plan that really reflects the perspective of the schools and what we need to do for safety within a half mile radius of each school. Finally, we coordinated extensively with the neighboring jurisdictions to avoid a problem where we propose a bike facility or something similar and then it ends at the city boundary. We have made every effort to tie in so that if the street continues, we have some

855
01:15:30,480 --> 01:15:36,040
Some level of concurrence from the adjacent jurisdiction that that facility type as we're

856
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:38,060
describing it should also continue.

857
01:15:38,980 --> 01:15:45,120
We published the draft ATP for public comment in winter of 2023, and the feedback that

858
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:48,580
we received is all incorporated in what we're bringing forward tonight.

859
01:15:50,440 --> 01:15:57,420
We were also active on the boarding commission circuit, so the Climate Action Plan Working

860
01:15:57,420 --> 01:16:04,160
group got an overview in May, traffic commission, received a presentation in June, and then planning

861
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:12,040
commission voted 6-0 on June 17th, recommending that City Council approve the exemption, approve

862
01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:17,580
the general plan amendment, and they also noted and filed the proposed active transportation plan.

863
01:16:19,900 --> 01:16:26,340
So with that, staff's recommendation is on the screen that you adopt the categorical exemption,

864
01:16:26,340 --> 01:16:32,620
approve and adopt the active transportation plan and approve the general plan amendment

865
01:16:32,620 --> 01:16:34,460
and we're available for any questions.

866
01:16:35,220 --> 01:16:36,540
Thank you so much, Stephanie.

867
01:16:37,500 --> 01:16:42,740
So I actually do have some questions about what we're committing to tonight.

868
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:52,520
So since I'm a board member at Sandegg, we've had a lot of discussions about bike lanes and

869
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:58,140
And what is the preferred bike lanes and all of that.

870
01:16:58,780 --> 01:17:04,520
And one of the things that I'm unclear about is that I didn't see a map that specified

871
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:07,360
this and maybe I missed it because it is quite a bit to read.

872
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:15,800
But are we committing to on class 4 bike lanes to specific roads that are going to have curbs?

873
01:17:15,860 --> 01:17:22,060
Because what I've been hearing from a lot of serious cyclists is that they feel, because

874
01:17:22,060 --> 01:17:28,300
a lot of times they're actually in packs or, you know, groups that if there are curbs

875
01:17:28,300 --> 01:17:34,060
associated with a class four bike lanes that they're actually not safe and then what happens

876
01:17:34,060 --> 01:17:41,400
is one catches the curb and it goes all haywire and then there are some pretty bad accidents.

877
01:17:41,980 --> 01:17:48,240
And so I guess my question is are we committing to specific curbs or is it class four without

878
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:56,200
an actual curb or could it be without an actual curb? Because I would just be very careful if we're

879
01:17:56,200 --> 01:18:00,840
going to spend money on infrastructure. I want to make sure it's the proper infrastructure that,

880
01:18:00,980 --> 01:18:05,940
you know, maybe, you know, a year from now, there's all this data out there that says, oh,

881
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:13,280
Class 4 without a curb is actually the best sort of situation. And I just want to make sure we're

882
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:17,460
not getting boxed ourselves into anything. So if you could maybe clear that up for me.

883
01:18:17,460 --> 01:18:22,940
Sure, we are committing with the Active Transportation Plan to have class fours on certain

884
01:18:22,940 --> 01:18:23,420
roadways.

885
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:29,580
So, Discovery, San Marcos Boulevard, Rancho Santa Fe, Mission, those are some of the streets

886
01:18:29,580 --> 01:18:30,980
that would have class fours.

887
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:35,400
But the design of the class four is not set by this document.

888
01:18:35,980 --> 01:18:40,740
This includes a toolbox, much like we were talking through the pedestrian enhancements.

889
01:18:41,180 --> 01:18:46,440
It's a toolbox and so there are a number of different ways to design a class four facility,

890
01:18:46,440 --> 01:18:50,900
and we can design the right class for facility for each location.

891
01:18:51,380 --> 01:18:57,140
Perfect, because I, you know, there's been a lot of discussion also down on the 101 in

892
01:18:57,140 --> 01:18:57,780
Incinitas.

893
01:18:58,120 --> 01:18:59,760
Well, I guess it's maybe even Cardiff.

894
01:19:00,140 --> 01:19:06,420
I think it's Cardiff, more Cardiff, that some of the driveways, the ingress and

895
01:19:06,420 --> 01:19:10,660
egress actually is pretty unsafe and people have gotten even in Lucadia.

896
01:19:11,020 --> 01:19:15,360
I think there have been some serious, actually, I think fatal accidents.

897
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:18,980
at least one that I can remember off the top of my head.

898
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:21,280
I just want to make sure it's not boxing us in

899
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:23,460
and it doesn't seem like it based on what you just said.

900
01:19:24,020 --> 01:19:27,980
So I just like to be on the record of when we do design,

901
01:19:28,300 --> 01:19:31,700
we do the design of this that we're keeping that in account.

902
01:19:31,820 --> 01:19:33,540
We want to make sure we get plenty of feedback

903
01:19:33,540 --> 01:19:37,960
from our serious cyclists, you know, like my, you know,

904
01:19:38,020 --> 01:19:39,380
maybe they don't live in St. Marks,

905
01:19:39,380 --> 01:19:41,180
but they certainly use our bike lanes.

906
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:44,260
I want to keep people safe when they're on our streets.

907
01:19:44,260 --> 01:19:50,680
We don't want our fire department and our sheriff deputies have to go out to accidents that are that are fatal because we

908
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:59,800
Didn't design it properly. So just make sure that we reach out to the cycling groups and make sure we get plenty of feedback from them as to

909
01:20:00,020 --> 01:20:29,880
What they're seeing and what they're comfortable with because, again, they might not actually be living in the city, but if they're using our infrastructure, we want to make sure we keep them safe. So, thank you. I think we're going to be doing that. Yeah. Thank you so much. Any other discussion? Yes. Councilmember Sonella? Mayor, and thank you again, Stephanie, for the presentation. I think this is brilliant that we have this plan that's now going to, as Stephanie said, provide a toolbox of options for us to deploy.

910
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:41,480
So as appropriate, the old saying of plan your work and work your plan well, in this case we can't start to work the plan until we have the plan and now we have it, right?

911
01:20:41,700 --> 01:20:51,300
And so I think that's really good and I think the more that we can do and I understand that this is going to be a slow rollout and it's going to be dependent on finances in a large part.

912
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:58,820
But the more that we can do to make riding bikes and walking the streets safer and more enjoyable.

913
01:20:58,820 --> 01:21:04,380
and more of a convenient avenue for folks to get around.

914
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:07,640
It helps both the environment by taking cars off the streets.

915
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:11,780
But it also helps move the remaining cars around our community quicker.

916
01:21:12,480 --> 01:21:16,980
And I think that's definitely something that can benefit everyone in our community.

917
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:19,560
And I'm just glad that this is a great starting point.

918
01:21:19,580 --> 01:21:22,280
And I think this is just a brilliant plan to thank you.

919
01:21:24,410 --> 01:21:26,350
Hey, yes, Councilmember Musgraff.

920
01:21:26,790 --> 01:21:29,690
So interestingly enough, I was in Washington DC last week.

921
01:21:29,690 --> 01:21:35,550
And in the metropolitan area and a lot of the graphics you were illustrating are already

922
01:21:35,550 --> 01:21:36,170
in place there.

923
01:21:36,370 --> 01:21:42,090
Everything from protected bike lanes, cleared delineations, even the wider sidewalks,

924
01:21:42,110 --> 01:21:47,210
which makes it easier for pedestrians to get around vehicle traffic moving and being completely

925
01:21:47,210 --> 01:21:52,170
aware of the very many lime and different scooter bikes.

926
01:21:52,330 --> 01:21:58,010
But we were there five days and saw a lot of interactions without any even near accident.

927
01:21:58,010 --> 01:22:01,990
So it does work as long as everyone's educated and is aware what they're doing.

928
01:22:02,470 --> 01:22:08,510
And I also see an opportunity here as we continue with our process of providing more affordable homes at homes for

929
01:22:08,510 --> 01:22:17,930
our residents to partner with those developers and say, look, as we're putting this in, this is an opportunity for your residents to make it a more

930
01:22:17,930 --> 01:22:25,250
walkable environment and the ability to get around and I like the interconnectivity with the bike paths.

931
01:22:25,250 --> 01:22:55,050
And the last thing is I'm on the Sandeg Transportation Committee and ATPs come up all the time and very frequently notice is given for grant monies that are available for jurisdictions but almost consistently one of the qualifiers as you have to have an ATP because the money will be allocated to support those projects so to see this as an opportunity for us to move forward to improve our community, make it better for our community and then leverage some of that grant money

932
01:22:55,050 --> 01:22:57,010
to help to free the cost is fantastic.

933
01:22:57,310 --> 01:22:58,290
Thank you for the presentation.

934
01:22:59,350 --> 01:23:01,910
All right, thank you, Council Member Nunez.

935
01:23:02,950 --> 01:23:06,290
Thank you. I just really, my comments are brief.

936
01:23:06,510 --> 01:23:08,030
I want to thank staff for all the work

937
01:23:08,030 --> 01:23:10,210
that has gone into this great job.

938
01:23:10,870 --> 01:23:14,030
And I'm going to echo what's already been said.

939
01:23:14,250 --> 01:23:18,450
So long time coming, I really like that this was presented

940
01:23:18,450 --> 01:23:19,630
to our commissions.

941
01:23:20,430 --> 01:23:22,870
I think that's really great to see

942
01:23:22,870 --> 01:23:24,230
and that it was so well received.

943
01:23:24,230 --> 01:23:26,490
So thank you for all the work that's gone into this.

944
01:23:27,450 --> 01:23:29,490
All right, thank you. Deputy Mayor.

945
01:23:30,290 --> 01:23:32,870
A couple of questions.

946
01:23:34,130 --> 01:23:38,830
So this will become part of our current general plan, correct?

947
01:23:40,370 --> 01:23:44,550
The active transportation plan will be its own separate document,

948
01:23:44,670 --> 01:23:48,450
but the general plan will be modified so there's no inconsistency between the two.

949
01:23:48,790 --> 01:23:52,230
Okay, so when that is updated,

950
01:23:52,230 --> 01:23:53,610
We did it some future date.

951
01:23:54,670 --> 01:24:02,470
Will this document be reviewed for possible enhancements or maybe any needed changes

952
01:24:03,230 --> 01:24:10,710
versus just including this in the plan without looking at to see should there be some revisions.

953
01:24:10,990 --> 01:24:13,010
So it could be edited at some point in time.

954
01:24:13,230 --> 01:24:13,870
Yes, needed.

955
01:24:14,030 --> 01:24:19,910
And I would expect that it would be edited where we certainly put in a ton of effort and

956
01:24:19,910 --> 01:24:22,250
And we think we've gotten it right, but we're going to learn.

957
01:24:22,490 --> 01:24:26,630
We're going to learn from this, and as we implement, we want to have the benefit of that

958
01:24:26,630 --> 01:24:27,150
experience.

959
01:24:27,370 --> 01:24:31,450
So I would expect that you're going to see it modified back here at council at some

960
01:24:31,450 --> 01:24:31,690
point.

961
01:24:32,050 --> 01:24:32,250
Okay.

962
01:24:32,830 --> 01:24:40,690
And then my last comment is, I believe we have about 200 miles of streets in the community

963
01:24:40,690 --> 01:24:42,750
right now that we maintain roughly.

964
01:24:44,450 --> 01:24:50,390
And so I think that's pretty significant, of course that's 200 miles of current streets,

965
01:24:50,390 --> 01:24:51,190
there will be more.

966
01:24:52,150 --> 01:24:57,610
But I think that will be pretty significant if we could get half of those, whatever percentages

967
01:24:57,610 --> 01:24:59,950
at the time to be defiled.

968
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:29,900
All of these possibilities. Yes, I think this will be significant and I think there will actually be additional lane miles of bike facilities that come online through this because even in some of the streets, for instance, where we're proposing a class four, where we have the right of way to do it, we may also provide an on-street facility. So there may be some streets that actually have two different types of facilities so that people have an option.

969
01:25:30,740 --> 01:25:33,560
So we may be doubling up on some of our lean miles.

970
01:25:34,020 --> 01:25:34,140
Okay.

971
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:35,580
Okay, thank you.

972
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:37,820
I had a follow-up on that.

973
01:25:38,440 --> 01:25:41,800
For clarification, is this more of a standalone document

974
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:45,400
so that we can update it more frequently than the actual general plan?

975
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:46,080
Correct.

976
01:25:46,420 --> 01:25:47,760
Okay, that's what I had understood.

977
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:48,760
I just wanted to double check.

978
01:25:49,340 --> 01:25:54,040
So Deputy Mayor, we'll be able to keep this more updated on a regular basis

979
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:56,080
because it is more of a standalone by itself.

980
01:25:56,300 --> 01:25:57,880
So I just wanted to clarify that.

981
01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:06,940
All right. Do we have any speakers? Okay. This is a public meeting. So I move to close a public meeting second. All right. All in favor.

982
01:26:07,380 --> 01:26:18,300
Hi. I know. Okay. It is also up for an adopter approve. Any further comments from any council members? If not, do we have a motion?

983
01:26:18,300 --> 01:26:19,820
I move their approval is presented.

984
01:26:20,100 --> 01:26:20,500
I'll second.

985
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:22,380
Okay, motion and a second, all in favor?

986
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:23,040
Aye.

987
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:23,720
Any notes?

988
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:24,380
Okay.

989
01:26:24,780 --> 01:26:25,540
Seeing none.

990
01:26:26,060 --> 01:26:27,120
Motion passes unanimously.

991
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:28,640
Thanks again for all the hard work.

992
01:26:28,860 --> 01:26:28,940
Yes.

993
01:26:29,660 --> 01:26:39,040
Item number 19, Resolution 2024, 9337 confirming the diagram and assessment and approving for the

994
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:43,740
levy of the annual assessment of a landscape and lighting district number one for fiscal year

995
01:26:44,580 --> 01:26:45,140
2425.

996
01:26:45,140 --> 01:26:48,520
Do we have a presentation or no,

997
01:26:50,790 --> 01:26:53,850
no Madam Mayor, no presentation, this is an annual.

998
01:26:53,850 --> 01:26:59,610
This is an annual housekeeping item, but so okay, any questions that any council members

999
01:26:59,610 --> 01:26:59,950
have?

1000
01:27:00,630 --> 01:27:05,210
I think this has been all definitely as long as I've actually been on the council, so my

1001
01:27:05,790 --> 01:27:06,290
teeth here.

1002
01:27:07,550 --> 01:27:09,870
No, no questions, just I remember this from last year as well.

1003
01:27:10,170 --> 01:27:10,330
Okay.

1004
01:27:10,830 --> 01:27:12,370
Do you, is that a motion?

1005
01:27:12,990 --> 01:27:13,430
Council member?

1006
01:27:13,730 --> 01:27:14,250
Closing hearing.

1007
01:27:14,990 --> 01:27:15,290
Yes.

1008
01:27:15,290 --> 01:27:17,670
Yes, to close the hearing, yes.

1009
01:27:18,010 --> 01:27:18,610
Public hearing.

1010
01:27:19,090 --> 01:27:20,850
Okay, we have a motion to close the public hearing.

1011
01:27:21,050 --> 01:27:21,490
All in favor?

1012
01:27:21,950 --> 01:27:22,250
Aye.

1013
01:27:23,230 --> 01:27:24,110
Any noes?

1014
01:27:24,330 --> 01:27:25,090
Okay, seeing none.

1015
01:27:25,890 --> 01:27:26,570
No, no.

1016
01:27:26,570 --> 01:27:27,570
That would be for an adopt.

1017
01:27:28,050 --> 01:27:30,810
I'll move to approve item number 19.

1018
01:27:32,090 --> 01:27:34,550
Okay, we have a motion in a second to approve.

1019
01:27:35,390 --> 01:27:36,290
All in favor?

1020
01:27:36,630 --> 01:27:36,750
Aye.

1021
01:27:37,290 --> 01:27:37,910
Any noes?

1022
01:27:38,570 --> 01:27:38,970
Seeing none.

1023
01:27:39,690 --> 01:27:41,110
Okay, motion passes.

1024
01:27:41,490 --> 01:27:44,890
Resolution number 2024, 93338 confirming.

1025
01:27:45,290 --> 01:28:01,170
Wait, sorry, yep, it's the same diagram and assessment and providing for the levy of the annual assessment of Velocito's Town Center, which is another one that is a yearly one, but I'm going to finish reading that street maintenance district for fiscal year 2425.

1026
01:28:02,090 --> 01:28:11,450
That is also a public hearing, any questions from the council? And oh, I forgot to ask, we don't have any public discussion.

1027
01:28:11,450 --> 01:28:14,810
Okay, so what is again a public hearing?

1028
01:28:17,510 --> 01:28:20,410
Do we have a motion and a second to close the public hearing?

1029
01:28:20,590 --> 01:28:21,010
All in favor?

1030
01:28:21,390 --> 01:28:21,850
Aye.

1031
01:28:22,190 --> 01:28:22,510
Any notes?

1032
01:28:23,250 --> 01:28:23,690
Seeing none?

1033
01:28:24,130 --> 01:28:24,550
Okay.

1034
01:28:24,990 --> 01:28:26,570
And then do we have a motion to approve?

1035
01:28:26,850 --> 01:28:27,950
Move to approve the resolution.

1036
01:28:28,410 --> 01:28:28,850
I'll second.

1037
01:28:29,090 --> 01:28:30,570
Okay, we have a motion and a second.

1038
01:28:30,810 --> 01:28:31,310
All in favor?

1039
01:28:31,570 --> 01:28:31,910
Aye.

1040
01:28:32,310 --> 01:28:32,670
Any notes?

1041
01:28:33,270 --> 01:28:33,670
Okay.

1042
01:28:34,150 --> 01:28:36,170
Moving on to ordinance 2024.

1043
01:28:37,410 --> 01:28:40,650
1550 ordinance amending sections 20.310.

1044
01:28:40,650 --> 01:29:00,730
0.020, 2310, 0.030, 20.310, 040, 20.310, 050, 20.310, 060, and 20.310, 0.080 of Title 20 of the

1045
01:29:00,730 --> 01:29:06,890
Samarcus Municipal Code, relative to inclusionary housing requirements and associated density bonus

1046
01:29:06,890 --> 01:29:12,390
calculations for residential, rental projects, and inclusionary housing agreements.

1047
01:29:12,970 --> 01:29:17,850
Now, I challenge anyone to say that 10 times faster or twice faster even for that matter.

1048
01:29:18,470 --> 01:29:20,370
Do we have a presentation on that this evening?

1049
01:29:21,070 --> 01:29:23,290
Yes, Mayor Jones, we do have a presentation.

1050
01:29:23,610 --> 01:29:27,710
Poonum, Proilod, Deputy City Attorney, we'll be making the presentation tonight.

1051
01:29:28,070 --> 01:29:28,730
All right, thank you.

1052
01:29:30,630 --> 01:29:32,290
Good evening, Mayor, Councilmembers.

1053
01:29:32,290 --> 01:29:38,090
First, today we're going to talk about the ordinance updates to 20.310,

1054
01:29:41,050 --> 01:29:41,590
oh, this is the

1055
01:29:41,590 --> 01:29:44,330
wrong, oh, that's correct, okay, sorry,

1056
01:29:49,890 --> 01:29:52,610
I think I went back to far, anyway, today we're

1057
01:29:52,610 --> 01:29:56,710
requesting the City Council adopt amendments to the inclusionary housing ordinance, which

1058
01:29:56,710 --> 01:29:59,050
which is in the chapter 20.310.

1059
01:29:59,470 --> 01:29:59,830
The amendments.

1060
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:04,780
Council are being requested to address requirements for inclusionary housing and associated density

1061
01:30:04,780 --> 01:30:09,480
bonus calculations for residential rental projects, and also amendments to the section on

1062
01:30:09,480 --> 01:30:13,820
inclusionary housing agreements. Now, we'll get to the slide that's up for you. Sorry

1063
01:30:13,820 --> 01:30:20,720
about that. The city's inclusionary housing ordinance establishes requirements for the inclusion

1064
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:25,580
of affordable housing units for low, very low, extremely low, and moderate income households

1065
01:30:25,580 --> 01:30:28,700
and residential projects that require development plans.

1066
01:30:29,660 --> 01:30:35,940
Section 20.310-30 of the ordinance provides exemptions for certain residential development projects,

1067
01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:41,580
including but not limited to the construction of new residential rental projects.

1068
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:46,340
Unless the developer has otherwise agreed by contract with the city to build affordable housing

1069
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:51,940
in consideration for a direct financial contribution or any other form of local assistance from the city.

1070
01:30:51,940 --> 01:31:03,680
The city adopted this exemption for the construction of a new residential rental projects consistent with the Court of Appeals 2009 ruling in the Palmer 6th Street properties versus the city of LA case.

1071
01:31:04,220 --> 01:31:16,240
In that case, the Court held that Los Angeles's ordinance requiring residential rental developers to construct affordable housing units subject to rent restrictions for at least 30 years,

1072
01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:22,900
or pay an in lieu fee towards building affordable housing elsewhere violated the Coast of Hawkins Rental Housing Act.

1073
01:31:23,500 --> 01:31:34,720
The court noted that requiring a rental housing project to provide affordable housing units at regulated rents is clearly hostile to residential landlords' rights to set rental rates at the start of a tendency.

1074
01:31:40,670 --> 01:31:48,130
California legislature adopted Assembly Bill AB 1505 effective January 1st, 2018, which

1075
01:31:48,130 --> 01:31:53,070
restored local agency authority to impose affordable housing requirements on the development

1076
01:31:53,070 --> 01:31:57,870
of residential rental units. The city intended to include these requirements with the general

1077
01:31:57,870 --> 01:32:02,670
plan update, but as that process was initiated but delayed, the city's decided to seek these

1078
01:32:02,670 --> 01:32:09,710
amendments on a standalone basis today. Staff recommends amending chapter 20.310 to be consistent

1079
01:32:09,710 --> 01:32:14,430
it with state law, and to promote the creation maintenance and preservation of affordable housing.

1080
01:32:18,350 --> 01:32:21,170
I'll now briefly go over the proposed ordinance changes.

1081
01:32:22,210 --> 01:32:30,990
First, we would amend section 20.310-30F to remove the exemption for the construction of new residential rental projects.

1082
01:32:31,730 --> 01:32:40,990
Next, we would amend section 20.310-30E to allow inclusionary housing units to be counted towards

1083
01:32:40,990 --> 01:32:53,330
density of bonus entitlements to be consistent with government code section 659150882 that's a lot of numbers too and to clarify that chapter 20.310 is

1084
01:32:53,330 --> 01:32:57,230
applicable to density of bonus units by removing it from the exemption section.

1085
01:33:04,250 --> 01:33:13,310
Next the city currently requires residential rental projects of more than six units to reserve at least 15% of units for target households which are extremely low,

1086
01:33:13,310 --> 01:33:15,590
very low, low or moderate income households.

1087
01:33:16,510 --> 01:33:23,470
Government code 65850 grants HCD the authority to review a local ordinance if it requires

1088
01:33:23,470 --> 01:33:29,910
more than 15% of the total number of units be affordable to or occupied by target households.

1089
01:33:30,430 --> 01:33:35,810
If either one the local agency has failed to meet at least 75% of its regional housing need

1090
01:33:35,810 --> 01:33:42,130
allocation share over a five year period or two, the local agency has not submitted the required

1091
01:33:42,130 --> 01:33:44,930
annual housing element report for two consecutive years.

1092
01:33:45,690 --> 01:33:51,730
That hasn't been the case for us, but we are asking that in order that we not be subject to HCD review,

1093
01:33:52,270 --> 01:34:00,250
20.310-40B will be amended to require residential rental projects to reserve 15% of units for target households,

1094
01:34:00,470 --> 01:34:07,590
unless the higher percentage is requested by the developer, or to pay an in-loop fee to provide housing opportunities for target households.

1095
01:34:07,590 --> 01:34:08,570
Currently,

1096
01:34:14,480 --> 01:34:21,120
2310-50 allows rental projects of 6 units or less or 4 sale projects to have

1097
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:22,800
the ability to pay the in-loop fee.

1098
01:34:23,540 --> 01:34:27,740
The amendment will allow all residential projects to have the option to pay in in-loop

1099
01:34:27,740 --> 01:34:34,140
fee instead of reserving units, instead of reserving units for target households, sorry.

1100
01:34:34,860 --> 01:34:39,840
The amendment of 2310-60 is also going to be clarified to state that it also applies

1101
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:43,740
is to rental residential projects in addition to four sale projects.

1102
01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:56,340
Next are amendments to 2310-80, which pertains to the inclusionary housing agreement.

1103
01:34:57,140 --> 01:34:59,820
A first will allow displaced tenants from another

1104
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:19,040
The next city affordable housing project to be placed on a waiting list for a new project. The next one will provide guidelines for that tenant relocation. And then also it will provide the city with a copy of the annual lease agreement for affected units to facilitate monitoring for compliance with the inclusionary housing requirements.

1105
01:35:24,110 --> 01:35:32,510
These proposed ordinance updates led to the review of the city's in lieu fee calculation to align with industry standards and regional best practices.

1106
01:35:32,510 --> 01:35:38,290
The city engaged Kaiser, Marston Associates to prepare an inclusionary housing in lieu

1107
01:35:38,290 --> 01:35:43,250
fee study to evaluate the potential of updating the inclusionary housing in lieu fee for

1108
01:35:43,250 --> 01:35:48,150
the city. As part of this effort, KMA reviewed the current in lieu fee and impact fee levels

1109
01:35:48,150 --> 01:35:53,350
charged in local jurisdictions and evaluated a range of approaches to determine appropriate

1110
01:35:53,350 --> 01:35:59,550
housing in lieu fees levels for the city. Adoption of the updated in lieu fee will come back

1111
01:35:59,550 --> 01:36:04,790
before council at a future meeting, and we'll be available for public review prior to the council meeting.

1112
01:36:05,310 --> 01:36:11,570
When adopted by council, the updated fees will be applied to both for sale and rental residential projects.

1113
01:36:18,190 --> 01:36:26,750
For public outreach, city staff met with the Building Industry Association on July 10th to inform them of the proposed updates to the inclusionary housing ordinance.

1114
01:36:27,350 --> 01:36:34,570
Staff intends to have additional discussions with the BIA in August to discuss the proposed new in lieu fees for

1115
01:36:34,570 --> 01:36:39,570
projects prepared in the KMA inclusionary housing in Lufi study prior to the study being

1116
01:36:39,570 --> 01:36:40,950
presented to City Council.

1117
01:36:46,840 --> 01:36:51,840
For environmental review, the proposed amendments are exempt from CEQA because this is not a project

1118
01:36:52,280 --> 01:36:57,160
as defined within the meeting of CEQA, even if it was found subject to CEQA, it is exempt

1119
01:36:57,160 --> 01:37:01,620
under CEQA guidelines section 150610B3, the commonsense exception.

1120
01:37:06,530 --> 01:37:11,090
In closing, these proposed updates will ensure the city's standards and requirements are consistent

1121
01:37:11,090 --> 01:37:15,830
Senate would state law and will promote the creation, maintenance, and preservation of affordable housing.

1122
01:37:19,860 --> 01:37:28,860
This item went to Planning Commission on June 17th, 2024, and Planning Commission recommended approval of these Inclusionary Housing Ordinance Amendments by a vote of 6-0-0.

1123
01:37:35,020 --> 01:37:47,100
So, staff's recommendation, this is an introduction of first reading of the ordinance amending the Section 20.310, or Chapter 20.310 related to Inclusionary Housing Requirements and

1124
01:37:47,100 --> 01:37:48,860
and associate density bonus calculations

1125
01:37:48,860 --> 01:37:50,880
for residential rental projects

1126
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:52,260
and inclusionary housing agreements.

1127
01:37:54,740 --> 01:37:55,960
Okay, thank you.

1128
01:37:56,280 --> 01:37:59,000
We have one public speaker with the council

1129
01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:00,860
like to start the discussion

1130
01:38:00,860 --> 01:38:03,900
or would we like to hear the public speaker first?

1131
01:38:04,740 --> 01:38:05,700
Yes, I agree.

1132
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:07,680
I just want to hear what you all had to say.

1133
01:38:08,180 --> 01:38:11,040
Okay, Carol Gendell will be our speaker.

1134
01:38:12,120 --> 01:38:12,780
Thank you, Carol.

1135
01:38:16,050 --> 01:38:17,130
Good evening, all.

1136
01:38:17,330 --> 01:38:19,070
It's always a pleasure to see you.

1137
01:38:19,870 --> 01:38:45,110
I've got to confess I'm a little confused as always, hang on a second here, by the in lieu of the and I feel like we have builders who are allowed to pay this fee but I don't see the housing stock growing very much and it goes back to the discussion that we had on the homeless.

1138
01:38:45,110 --> 01:38:55,650
us. We do not have very much low income housing. When the VS Serena project was in hot discussion

1139
01:38:55,650 --> 01:39:01,450
a couple of months ago, part of the problem was people didn't have any place to go. So

1140
01:39:01,450 --> 01:39:09,190
to say, well, if somebody needs to move and they're going to be put on a list for priority,

1141
01:39:09,190 --> 01:39:18,930
We have no housing for them to go to, so in lieu of fees are kind of nice, and I know

1142
01:39:18,930 --> 01:39:23,710
you talk about the fact that we are doing the best among our surrounding communities,

1143
01:39:24,550 --> 01:39:28,110
but we don't have enough low income housing.

1144
01:39:28,890 --> 01:39:38,430
And I strongly urge, and I don't know how this fits in with this recommendation.

1145
01:39:38,430 --> 01:39:49,370
But I urge that we do more to figure out how we can get more low income housing integrated into our community.

1146
01:39:50,030 --> 01:39:59,930
So that we do not have the kind of situation that we had with residents coming to us saying we have no place to go and you're telling us we have to live.

1147
01:40:00,720 --> 01:40:26,960
We're living now, or we have people who are living on the streets who really would like to get housing, and there is no place to go. We've got to do better, and I don't know. I question whether in lieu of fees, even if it is the industry standard, are the right thing to do. Thank you. Thank you for your comments, Carol. I actually, and staff may want to jump into the in lieu fees.

1148
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:33,720
What I would like to mention is that many times we actually use the in-loop fees to

1149
01:40:33,720 --> 01:40:36,620
cobble together so that we can have an actual bigger project.

1150
01:40:37,340 --> 01:40:44,740
And in the Vilis Arena project, for instance, that was actually a necessary thing because

1151
01:40:44,740 --> 01:40:47,960
we were actually building more of what our community needs.

1152
01:40:48,240 --> 01:40:50,260
So it needed to be rehabilitated.

1153
01:40:50,260 --> 01:40:58,760
It was it was in such a dire bad shape. I mean it really it really quite it really was and then I wanted to say

1154
01:41:00,360 --> 01:41:06,300
On one hand, I understand what you are saying about that the folks had nowhere to live

1155
01:41:06,300 --> 01:41:11,620
And that maybe you know if we had just housing units sitting around I personally

1156
01:41:12,460 --> 01:41:19,280
Think I'm glad that we don't have housing units be just sitting around because they're really important for people to actually live in

1157
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:26,420
And so we can't just have them sitting around, we need to make sure we're helping people and actually having them to actually place for them to live.

1158
01:41:26,600 --> 01:41:34,400
So the goal is not to have them vacant, it's to actually have them habitated because it is helping people, but it's specifically about the end loop fees.

1159
01:41:34,500 --> 01:41:47,460
Maybe staff wants to mention, you know, if you wanted to take a stab at how that might look, but I feel like and for me, you know, like I've been on the council quite a while.

1160
01:41:47,460 --> 01:41:54,000
and thousands, I would say, definitely over a thousand of our current housing units of

1161
01:41:54,000 --> 01:42:01,220
3,000, which is 10% of our housing stock, and it's not just in the local area that we're

1162
01:42:01,220 --> 01:42:01,760
doing the best.

1163
01:42:01,880 --> 01:42:07,220
We're actually, we've built the most in all of San Diego County for our percentage of

1164
01:42:07,220 --> 01:42:14,040
the entire county of San Diego, of having for our total housing stock and percentage wise,

1165
01:42:14,360 --> 01:42:15,700
like we have built the most.

1166
01:42:15,700 --> 01:42:22,580
But maybe staff wants to take a stab at how we view and what our policy in lieu fees are

1167
01:42:22,580 --> 01:42:26,800
because the developers are actually paying their fair share.

1168
01:42:26,940 --> 01:42:31,860
They are paying a good amount and then we have developers that are specifically affordable

1169
01:42:31,860 --> 01:42:36,400
housing developers that go out and get tax credits so that they are able to build it.

1170
01:42:36,740 --> 01:42:42,160
The problem has been quite frankly is we get mandates from the state and then we don't actually

1171
01:42:42,160 --> 01:42:42,780
have any way.

1172
01:42:42,780 --> 01:42:48,000
It's an unfunded mandate, but we've really done a lot to actually build those housing units.

1173
01:42:48,140 --> 01:42:50,500
But maybe they want to talk specifically about the end loop.

1174
01:42:50,660 --> 01:43:00,160
If I could stick one thing in lieu of fees as I understand and please correct me if I'm wrong, allows a situation

1175
01:43:00,160 --> 01:43:11,420
where instead of having low income or more affordable housing within a project, it's moved to another more

1176
01:43:11,420 --> 01:43:12,640
segregated community?

1177
01:43:13,340 --> 01:43:20,140
No, actually not segregated because what ends up happening is there are areas that

1178
01:43:20,140 --> 01:43:21,540
are specified by the state.

1179
01:43:22,140 --> 01:43:27,500
Like right now I think it's actually in the North City area, if I'm not mistaken, I forget

1180
01:43:27,500 --> 01:43:28,100
what that's called.

1181
01:43:28,540 --> 01:43:29,860
There's a technical term for it.

1182
01:43:29,860 --> 01:43:30,840
Sylvia can correct me, hi, Carol.

1183
01:43:32,020 --> 01:43:37,260
At the moment you qualify for your credits based on a variety of factors in a high resource

1184
01:43:37,260 --> 01:43:38,700
areas, what it's called.

1185
01:43:38,700 --> 01:43:44,000
So at the moment, the high resource area is actually in the north city area for San Marcos.

1186
01:43:44,620 --> 01:43:50,320
And actually the next north city, and this was because it was such a large project.

1187
01:43:50,740 --> 01:43:55,600
They are actually required to build it on site because they're doing such a large amount

1188
01:43:55,600 --> 01:43:56,400
of development.

1189
01:43:57,060 --> 01:44:02,420
And so there actually, it's going to be right in that north city area.

1190
01:44:02,420 --> 01:44:09,000
I think it's maybe just a little like a block off of North City, but it's it's going to be right in that area.

1191
01:44:09,400 --> 01:44:17,520
So I understand and I hear you. I watch it and I know that we really are very intentional about our efforts in the affordable housing.

1192
01:44:18,160 --> 01:44:29,060
And like I said, it's important to have a big development if you possibly can, if it makes more sense.

1193
01:44:29,060 --> 01:44:34,480
because there was one development, and I'm just going to give you, I know this is probably just going on and on.

1194
01:44:34,860 --> 01:44:40,940
But one of our developments where it was built on site, this was off of, I want to say, Borden Road.

1195
01:44:41,420 --> 01:44:46,800
It sat there because it's really hard to qualify for it. It was a project that was actually for sale project,

1196
01:44:47,220 --> 01:44:53,420
and it sat there for over two years, and I literally remember neighbors that kept saying,

1197
01:44:53,420 --> 01:44:59,900
This house is vacant, what, you know, can you make the developer do anything and it wasn't that the developer didn't want to act

1198
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:24,360
We actually have someone purchase it, they did, but the requirements to actually purchase it were very difficult to meet, and so it took quite a while, and it was over two years. Anyway, but I just want you to know that we really are truly doing everything we can to keep people housed, and then make sure that we are following the requirements of the law as well, and that thing.

1199
01:45:24,360 --> 01:45:25,260
Appreciate the information.

1200
01:45:25,480 --> 01:45:25,700
Thank you.

1201
01:45:25,900 --> 01:45:26,460
Thank you.

1202
01:45:27,040 --> 01:45:27,180
All right.

1203
01:45:27,360 --> 01:45:27,460
Sorry.

1204
01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:30,080
Any other questions or comments or discussion?

1205
01:45:31,620 --> 01:45:32,180
Yes.

1206
01:45:32,460 --> 01:45:32,920
W.D. Mayor.

1207
01:45:33,060 --> 01:45:36,180
Just a question slash comment.

1208
01:45:37,580 --> 01:45:44,520
So my understanding is since we haven't had this requirement on the rentals in the past,

1209
01:45:45,440 --> 01:45:52,480
now that it's on there, then we will be creating more affordable units with the rental projects

1210
01:45:52,480 --> 01:45:53,500
that come online.

1211
01:45:53,500 --> 01:45:57,660
Is that a correct and to clarify this used to be the case.

1212
01:45:58,340 --> 01:46:02,700
It was actually changed in 2009 in response to that case.

1213
01:46:03,020 --> 01:46:07,500
The city had an inclusionary requirement prior to 2009.

1214
01:46:08,200 --> 01:46:13,480
And against legal advice, it was actually changed in 2012 with a general plan update.

1215
01:46:14,240 --> 01:46:18,440
So because we could just say that we were superseded, we figured it would be fixed.

1216
01:46:18,440 --> 01:46:28,520
It was fixed by that time, the city had amended to undo inclusionary housing for residential units.

1217
01:46:28,860 --> 01:46:37,100
So, this is essentially putting back what the city had before and was making some at least some progress on providing inclusionary units.

1218
01:46:38,360 --> 01:46:41,440
But the thinking is this will give us more, correct?

1219
01:46:42,960 --> 01:46:55,440
That's correct, it'll either give us more units if people choose to build the 15% or it will add to the inclusionary housing coffers for future projects.

1220
01:46:55,760 --> 01:46:56,140
Thank you.

1221
01:46:56,640 --> 01:46:58,400
Okay, any other discussion?

1222
01:46:59,380 --> 01:47:00,920
Okay, it is a public hearing.

1223
01:47:01,660 --> 01:47:03,940
Do we have a motion to, oh, any speakers?

1224
01:47:04,380 --> 01:47:04,940
No, okay.

1225
01:47:06,560 --> 01:47:08,540
Do we have a motion to close the public hearing?

1226
01:47:11,480 --> 01:47:14,580
Okay, motion is second, all in favor?

1227
01:47:14,960 --> 01:47:15,120
Aye.

1228
01:47:15,780 --> 01:47:16,140
Any notes?

1229
01:47:16,740 --> 01:47:17,060
Seeing none.

1230
01:47:17,720 --> 01:47:20,140
Okay, it's an introduction of the first reading.

1231
01:47:20,940 --> 01:47:23,000
I would move that we introduce.

1232
01:47:23,500 --> 01:47:25,480
Did we have a second or do I have a second?

1233
01:47:26,320 --> 01:47:28,000
Okay, motion and a second, all in favor?

1234
01:47:28,380 --> 01:47:28,660
Aye.

1235
01:47:29,200 --> 01:47:29,540
Any notes?

1236
01:47:29,980 --> 01:47:30,340
Seeing none.

1237
01:47:30,660 --> 01:47:30,900
Okay.

1238
01:47:31,740 --> 01:47:34,280
Moving on to item number 22.

1239
01:47:35,620 --> 01:47:36,100
Resolution.

1240
01:47:36,740 --> 01:47:36,980
Okay.

1241
01:47:36,980 --> 01:47:38,040
Okay, this is a big one.

1242
01:47:39,560 --> 01:47:49,340
2024, 93, 93, 93, 24, 93, 25 and 93, 26 and ordinance numbers 20, 24, 15, 47 and 15, 48.

1243
01:47:50,260 --> 01:48:02,840
Specific, specific plan entitlements for a 228-unit residential development, including an environmental impact report and associated mitigation monitoring and reporting program, EIR 24-002,

1244
01:48:02,840 --> 01:48:13,140
with findings of fact, a general plan amendment GPA 21-002, a reason are 21-002, a specific

1245
01:48:13,140 --> 01:48:26,600
plan SP 22-001, I'm sorry, 001, a multifamily site development plan, MFSDP 24-001, and a tentative

1246
01:48:26,600 --> 01:48:35,720
the subdivision map, TSM 24-0001, as recommended for approval by the planning mission by A-6-0 vote.

1247
01:48:39,630 --> 01:48:42,950
Okay. Do we have a presentation?

1248
01:48:43,470 --> 01:48:45,670
Yes. Thank you, Mayor Jones.

1249
01:48:45,970 --> 01:48:51,610
Sima Korshi will be making the presentation along with Kairin Chua.

1250
01:48:52,190 --> 01:48:52,470
Thank you.

1251
01:48:56,880 --> 01:48:58,040
Good evening, councilmembers.

1252
01:48:58,040 --> 01:49:07,280
The proposed specific plan project is a residential project consisting of 228 units and approximately

1253
01:49:07,280 --> 01:49:11,420
23 acres of natural open space that you are considering tonight.

1254
01:49:12,160 --> 01:49:18,700
This project was originally submitted to the city as a 449-unit condominium and apartment

1255
01:49:18,700 --> 01:49:21,000
project in January of 2022.

1256
01:49:21,820 --> 01:49:26,280
In March of 23, the draft EIR for the project was released for public review.

1257
01:49:26,280 --> 01:49:33,220
Comments for received from resource agencies including U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and

1258
01:49:33,220 --> 01:49:38,800
a California Department of Fish and Wildlife and evaluated by the staff in April of 2023.

1259
01:49:39,640 --> 01:49:43,420
Many of the comments were related to impacts to sensitive habitat on the site.

1260
01:49:44,440 --> 01:49:49,600
The applicant, city staff and resource agencies discussed alternative designs to protect and

1261
01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:53,100
preserve sensitive biological resources on site.

1262
01:49:53,100 --> 01:49:59,160
After discussions, the applicant revised the project plans and the specific plan, conducted

1263
01:49:59,160 --> 01:49:59,720
additional.

1264
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:16,260
Environmental analysis and included a revised alternative project with the draft EIR. This revised alternative project is for 228 units and is the project submitted for approval by the applicant, and it is recommended by staff for approval.

1265
01:50:18,860 --> 01:50:31,680
The applicant requests several entitlements, including certification of the EIR, approval of a general plan amendment and rezone, a new specific plan, multifamily site development plan intended

1266
01:50:31,680 --> 01:50:32,780
of subdivision map.

1267
01:50:35,150 --> 01:50:37,150
The project site is comprised of four

1268
01:50:37,150 --> 01:50:41,290
weekend parcels, bordered by Pacific Street, Lamarada Drive,

1269
01:50:42,270 --> 01:50:46,830
Las Posas Road, and Linda Vista Drive. Various commercial

1270
01:50:46,830 --> 01:50:50,950
industrial and open space uses around the project site, including

1271
01:50:50,950 --> 01:50:54,770
the Grand Plaza Commercial Center to the east and Bradley Park

1272
01:50:54,770 --> 01:50:55,490
to the southwest.

1273
01:50:57,980 --> 01:51:00,200
To develop the project site with the proposed

1274
01:51:00,200 --> 01:51:03,820
multifamily project, the requested entitlements included a

1275
01:51:03,820 --> 01:51:09,880
General Plan amendment and rezone from industrial to specific plan area surrounding land uses

1276
01:51:09,880 --> 01:51:16,100
and zoning designations around the property include industrial, light industrial commercial

1277
01:51:16,100 --> 01:51:18,940
and public institutional for Bradley Park.

1278
01:51:20,200 --> 01:51:24,340
The General Plan amendment and rezone would amend the General Plan land use map and zoning

1279
01:51:24,340 --> 01:51:27,600
map to the proposed specific plan area designation.

1280
01:51:27,600 --> 01:51:35,750
The entitlements also include approval of a new specific plan called specific plan.

1281
01:51:36,390 --> 01:51:42,070
This document will serve as the primary land use policy and regulatory document for

1282
01:51:42,070 --> 01:51:45,710
the project by providing a development planning review process.

1283
01:51:46,570 --> 01:51:54,350
This specific plan allows for multi-family residential, it up to 6.9 units per acre or on

1284
01:51:54,920 --> 01:51:57,190
up to 40% of the project site.

1285
01:51:57,190 --> 01:52:02,650
At least 60% of the site shall be preserved as natural open space.

1286
01:52:03,610 --> 01:52:06,890
The specific plan includes development and design guidelines.

1287
01:52:09,150 --> 01:52:12,750
And it is attached in the staff report in your packet.

1288
01:52:13,290 --> 01:52:18,310
It's in a, you might have noticed it's in a strikeout and underlying format to show how

1289
01:52:18,310 --> 01:52:25,210
the draft specific plan was revised to accommodate the 220-unit project instead of the originally

1290
01:52:25,210 --> 01:52:27,110
submitted 449-unit project.

1291
01:52:35,460 --> 01:52:40,780
A tentative subdivision map is requested by the applicant to create two development parcels

1292
01:52:40,780 --> 01:52:44,040
and one open space parcel from the existing four lots.

1293
01:52:45,160 --> 01:52:49,940
Lot 1 is approximately 5.5 acres and will have 116 units.

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01:52:50,640 --> 01:52:58,200
Lot 2 is about 4.1 acres with 112 condominiums and Lot A is approximately 23.5 acres and will

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be preserved and managed as natural open space.

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Under

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the multi-family site development plan, the project design was reviewed for compliance

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with the development standards of the specific plan and the zoning ordinance.

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The SDP addresses the design of residential condominium units, associated private and

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common open space, and amenities on site, and the review of floor plans and architectural

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elevations.

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The two three and four bedroom units are spread throughout 32 three story buildings with

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01:53:37,680 --> 01:53:40,380
row homes on lot one and Velas on lot two.

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01:53:41,660 --> 01:53:46,640
The project includes amenities such as tart lots, play areas, a pool and spa and barbecue

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and picnic areas.

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Each unit is designed with an attached to car garage and 76 un-inclosed guest parking spaces

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are also provided throughout the site.

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The site is accessed by one driveway on Pacific Street and one central driveway on Lenda

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Vista Drive.

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An emergency access is provided at the eastern end of the project on Lenda Vista Drive

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as well.

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As part of this project, an existing bus stop on the project side of Flasposas will be enhanced

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and relocated slightly to the south.

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The falling slides show some of the renderings of the project which depict Spanish minute

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to train inspired architecture.

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The slide shows some of the colored renderings

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of the Rooms on lot one.

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Two different but similar color schemes are proposed.

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Exterior materials include colored stucco,

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and tile ropes, and enhancement includes

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fibers, cement, window trams, decorative shudders,

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part shelves, et cetera.

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This is a rendering of the Villa's product,

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which is gonna be a lot too.

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So, this, um,

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Product also has two different but similar color schemes with similar exterior materials and enhancements. All the buildings are three stories and 40 feet in height, which complies with this specific plan requirements.

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Landscaping throughout the project will consist of a mixture of trees, shrubs and ground cover to enhance the proposed buildings along the project frontage as well as interior to the site. A total of 275 trees will be planted,

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which includes 44 trees within the right of way.

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Three centrally located recreation areas are proposed,

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and an aggressive protocol access agreement

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between last one and two will be recorded.

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All onsite landscaping will be privately maintained,

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but landscaping within the city's right

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will be maintained by the city.

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A public workshop was held for the project on June 22, 2022.

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comments received regarding the project's compatibility with existing surrounding

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uses the desire to focus the project on the eastern portion of the site and

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potential competition for streets parking. In response the project is buffered

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from existing uses by existing roads and on-site open space. The project's

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location on the site is dictated and part by sensitive habitat and parking is

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provided consistent with the city's zoning ordinance and the proposed 45 foot height limit

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is equal to or in some instances lower than the height allowed on surrounding properties.

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In accordance with CEQA, an EIR was prepared for the project.

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The draft EIR was circulated for public review for 45 days from March 2 to April 17, 2023.

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The EIR evaluated the original project proposal of 449 units on approximately 46% of the

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project site. During the public review period a number of comments were received by the

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city and a full response to all comments has been provided in the final EIR. The majority

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of the comments focused on the sensitive habitat on site and suggestions that modifications

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to the project or mitigation measures be considered.

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The project site includes the largest remaining

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01:57:26,580 --> 01:57:33,260
Vurnal pool complex in the city and the largest remaining non-conserved native grassland.

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The site is occupied with several special status plant and animal species.

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These include state endangered threat left, threat-leaved Bridea and Vurnal pools occupied

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with the federally listed endangered celliego shrimp.

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As you can see from the slides, reasonable development of the site will impact special status

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species.

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Sorry, I got ahead of myself. The US Fish and Wildlife Service commented on the EIR

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notice of preparation and the draft EIR that the final EIR include an alternative that limits

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impact to no more than 25% of the site and restricts development to the southernmost third of the site.

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Limiting development to this area and the size would avoid direct impacts to most of the

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The California Department of Fish and Wildlife commented on the EIR's notice of preparation

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and EIR and include at least one alternative, ask for at least one alternative design

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that limits development to no more than 25% of the site and prioritise impacts to

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vulnerable pools and protea.

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They also commented and made suggestions on the proposed mitigation measures.

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Given

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the biological constraints and in response to comments received from U.S.

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Fish and Wildlife Service and California Department of Fish and Wildlife Service,

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the applicant added a 220-28-unit alternative to the final EIR on approximately 29% of the site.

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This alternative is a modification to a reduced alternative provided in the draft EIR

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and it is identified as the environmentally superior alternative.

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The applicant revised the mitigation measures for clarity and to ensure appropriate mitigation

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will occur as a result of project impacts.

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Supplemental analysis for the 220-unit project is provided in the final AIR to justify

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that the environmental impacts are same or less than the 449-unit project.

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The SDP Subdivision Member F.

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In the specific plan were revised to reflect the proposed 228-unit project.

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The 228-unit project is consistent with the original 449-unit draft EIR project and the mitigation measures provided in the EIR for the original project are applicable and apply to the revised 228-unit project. Staff is recommending approval of this environmentally superior alternative, which is consistent with the EIR.

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as it eliminates impacts to vulnerable pools,

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occupied with San Diego Ferry shrimp,

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and conserves more open space

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by reducing the development footprint.

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02:00:44,890 --> 02:00:47,710
The project EIA provides several mitigation measures

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to address air quality, biological and cultural resources,

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02:00:52,030 --> 02:00:53,010
geology and soils.

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02:00:53,450 --> 02:00:56,870
The mitigation measures for most of these categories

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are routine in nature, and all impacts have been determined

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to be less than significant after mitigation.

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The biological mitigation measures have been developed to provide appropriate mitigation

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specific to the unique nature of the site.

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These require the prior to land disturbance, several mitigation monitoring and management

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plans be finalized and approved by the applicable resource agencies during the regulatory permitting

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process.

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Including a translocation of BRDAS species to preservation areas of the site, occupied

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Varno Pooz will be avoided with the implementation of the 28-unit project.

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And additionally, the natural open space is required to be managed in perpetuity by developer-funded

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endowment or other funding mechanism as approved by the city.

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Next, Kairin, Chua with the city's land development engineering will discuss the project's transportation analysis.

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The

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project's transportation analysis consists of both

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double service analysis to ensure consistency with the city's general plan and

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vehicle miles traveled BMT analysis to determine transportation impacts for

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02:02:16,000 --> 02:02:22,560
CEQA. The project's local transportation analysis concluded that the project

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anticipates to generate 1,368 average daily trips with 109 a.m.

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and peak our trips and 123 PM peak our trips.

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In accordance with the city's mobility element of the general plan and its goals, intersections

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and road segments should operate at a level of service of D or better, and per the city's

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transportation impact analysis guidelines.

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Improvements are needed if the project increases intersection delay by more than two seconds

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or increases road segment volume to capacity ratio by more than 0.02.

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2. If the intersection or road segment already operates at an unacceptable level of service.

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For both near term 2025 and horizon year 2050, without project scenario, both of the intersections

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of Via Veracruz, Grand Avenue and State Route 78 Eastbound Ramps and Linda Vista Drive

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02:03:17,240 --> 02:03:23,580
Pacific and Pacific Street, operate at an unacceptable level of service. The project adds

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That's more than two seconds of delay to these intersections and is required for the intersection

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02:03:30,400 --> 02:03:35,220
of Viavera Cruz, Grand Avenue, and State Route 78 Eastbound Ramps to pay a fair share

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02:03:35,220 --> 02:03:39,120
contribution to construct a dedicated southbound right turn lane.

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And for the intersection of Lindevista Drive and Pacific Street, the project is required

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02:03:44,460 --> 02:03:52,700
to construct a traffic signal system, additionally to anticipate cumulative project traffic impact

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Citywide, the project will participate in the congestion management CFD.

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02:03:58,740 --> 02:04:03,920
To improve the surrounding pedestrian and bicycle infrastructure and to enhance connectivity,

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the project is constructing on La Marata between Pacific Street and Las Posas Road, a new

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02:04:09,820 --> 02:04:12,580
sidewalk and a class for bicycle facility.

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The existing on-street parking will remain with these proposed improvements.

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02:04:21,010 --> 02:04:25,730
On Pacific Street between Linda Vista Drive and La Marata Drive, the project will

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02:04:25,730 --> 02:04:31,630
will construct a new sidewalk and a class to buffered bicycle facility, similarly existing

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02:04:31,630 --> 02:04:37,330
on-street parking will remain with these proposed improvements. Lastly, on Linda Vista

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02:04:37,330 --> 02:04:42,430
drive between Pacific Street and Las Posas Road, the project will construct a new sidewalk

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02:04:42,430 --> 02:04:48,950
class for bicycle facility in addition to a class to buffered bicycle facility, these pedestrian

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02:04:48,950 --> 02:04:51,170
and bicycle improvements enhance connectivity.

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02:04:52,310 --> 02:04:58,690
In the project's VMT screening assessment, the project did not require a VMT analysis as

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the project is located in the VMT-based system.

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We did an A&N green VMT efficient area based on the VMT screening map. Therefore, the project's transportation impacts is less than significant.

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Since the project is proposing to change the land use designation from industrial to specific plan area for essential uses, fiscal and economic impact studies for prepared to evaluate the benefits and impacts of such a change. In the studies prepared by DTA, the proposed project was compared to a hypothetical industrial research and development project.

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02:05:37,180 --> 02:05:40,220
project under the current industrial zoning designation.

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Generally speaking, fiscal impact studies look at cities' revenue such as taxes, licenses

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02:05:47,140 --> 02:05:52,940
and permits, and also look at expenditures such as public safety, public works, etc.

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The fiscal study for the project estimates that the project would result in a recurring

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fiscal surplus of approximately $133,000 to the city's general fund as compared to approximately

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$536,000 if the site was developed with the hypothetical industrial project.

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Economic impact studies typically look at how much benefit the development would bring

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to the area based on economic output such as sales and employment.

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02:06:27,050 --> 02:06:32,990
The study for the project estimates the recurring output to the city would be about $6.5 million

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compared to approximately $87 million for the hypothetical industrial project.

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02:06:37,910 --> 02:06:43,690
The one time economic output resulting from construction of the projects are also indicated

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on this slide.

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The project site has not been developed under the current non-residential zoning and

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is unlikely to be developed with a non-residential use mainly due to biological site constraints

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02:06:57,950 --> 02:07:03,330
and trending economic conditions where there is a greater demand for residential units than

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the need for industrial space.

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The city's consultant is available tonight if you have any questions specific to these studies.

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Prior to the Planning Commission hearing, additional comments were received by the city.

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A letter from California Department of Fish and Wildlife requests further revisions to the

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final EIR and mitigation measures. This letter in a specific response is provided in the packet

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and was presented to the Planning Commission. The response from the project's

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biologists outlines why the final EIR and mitigation measures address the comments provided

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by CDFW.

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This includes that the project is required to obtain approval of a rare plant, transplant

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plan, rental pools mitigation plan, habitat mitigation monitoring plan, preserve management plan

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02:07:54,460 --> 02:07:58,980
and other regulatory permits from the resource agencies prior to project construction.

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The comments from the Western State's regional council of carpenters reiterated comments previously provided on local labor and training.

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New comments included that the AIR be revised and recirculated since the AIR lacks a stable and finite project description.

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And since alternatives added increased biological impacts.

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02:08:19,460 --> 02:08:26,140
In response, the project analysed in the final EIR has remained consistent with the draft EIR.

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The alternatives added were modifications of the project or project alternative.

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No new significant impacts are identified with the added alternatives and the mitigation measures provided are appropriate and effective to mitigate impacts.

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The EIR project and alternatives to a level of less than significance.

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Furthermore, although the city does not require the use of local labor, the project has a condition

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that the developer first considers San Marcos workers and businesses for materials and

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labor.

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The letter from NCTD requested that the relocated and improved bus stop meet their standards

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and in response, the project is conditioned to require such approval from NCTD and the

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02:09:09,300 --> 02:09:09,620
city.

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02:09:10,380 --> 02:09:16,360
comments from a nearby property owner reiterated comments previously provided earlier in the project

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review opposing the land use change from industrial to residential and expressing concerns on traffic

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02:09:22,700 --> 02:09:29,180
impacting truck deliveries to the industrial area, potential parking issues, loud noises and crime

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02:09:29,180 --> 02:09:35,000
affecting industrial property values. In response, the project site has remained vacant under the

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existing industrial zoning and is unlikely to be developed with industrial use due in

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part to habitat constraints and market demand. The residential use would likely result in less

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02:09:48,820 --> 02:09:54,760
average daily trips than an industrial one. Onside parking is provided for the specific plan and

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the municipal code and truck deliveries to existing and future surrounding businesses.

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We'll be able to continue with this residential project.

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The Planning Commission heard the project on June 17. A representative from the Western State's Regional Council of Carpenters spoke and requested the city require use of local force labor force and required training for a safe workplace. The Planning Commissioners asked clarifying questions related to requirement of local labor, accessible units, open space conservation, and resource agencies

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permitting process.

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Staff and the applicant answered the questions and then the planning commission voted six to

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zero to recommend certification of the EIR and approval of the project.

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In summary, the project is consistent with the general plan land use, housing and conservation

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02:10:53,900 --> 02:10:55,800
open space goals and policies.

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02:10:56,480 --> 02:10:58,660
It provides needed housing in the city.

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The vacant site would be developed with housing near public transit and employment opportunities.

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properties. The project will construct frontage improvements that include urban trails on

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02:11:09,060 --> 02:11:14,500
La Marada Drive and Linda Vista. And finally, approximately 70% of the site containing

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high-value biological resources will be preserved and managed as national open space as a result

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of the project.

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Staff is therefore recommending that the City Council

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certify the final EIR and approve the requested entitlements as outlined on this slide.

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and this concludes our presentation.

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Thank you.

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Thank you so much, Seema.

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Do we have any questions of staff?

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We actually have a presentation also from the developer.

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Well, Sam, it's good to see you.

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You know, it's funny, I took a note here

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on the fiscal impact study and I ask this question

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02:11:55,340 --> 02:11:56,580
every time we have on these projects.

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I always hit Joe up.

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02:11:59,940 --> 02:12:02,620
We're talking about the potential and will the income

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that we assume we'll realize 133,000 versus the potential income if it was to remain in its current zoning status of 536,000.

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Is that estimate based on the percentage of the land, the 23 acres, that are going to be left open,

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or is it just that proportional amount that's going to be used, because then it would skew those numbers?

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And then I guess, the obvious question is, do we have anyone coming in with light industrial

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02:12:32,300 --> 02:12:35,560
real plans that they could use the entirety of that property?

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To answer the end of your question first, no, we've had nobody come in, and even if

1514
02:12:43,160 --> 02:12:46,900
someone did, they'd be in the same situation as the applicant, they wouldn't be able to

1515
02:12:46,900 --> 02:12:50,580
use the entirety of the project due to the biological constraints.

1516
02:12:51,480 --> 02:13:00,220
In terms of the analysis for the fiscal analysis, our consultant uses a hypothetical based on

1517
02:13:00,220 --> 02:13:07,400
those constraints to come up with a rough square footage of what likely industrial type

1518
02:13:07,400 --> 02:13:09,800
building would be located on the site.

1519
02:13:11,080 --> 02:13:17,360
And I think it was something like 300,000 square feet and then parking garage, and that's

1520
02:13:17,360 --> 02:13:21,280
kind of what they used to put together their calculations for those fees.

1521
02:13:21,420 --> 02:13:27,720
So they use the applicants proposal effectively as the model for of the available acreage.

1522
02:13:27,780 --> 02:13:29,040
This is what you're allowed to use.

1523
02:13:29,040 --> 02:13:29,100
Yes.

1524
02:13:29,440 --> 02:13:29,620
Right.

1525
02:13:29,840 --> 02:13:29,980
Okay.

1526
02:13:30,200 --> 02:13:30,480
Thank you.

1527
02:13:30,800 --> 02:13:37,240
And just to follow up because I had a second part of my question on that, in that hypothetical,

1528
02:13:37,900 --> 02:13:42,840
does it also include the monitoring and the preservation of the habitat space?

1529
02:13:43,860 --> 02:13:44,340
No.

1530
02:13:44,700 --> 02:13:45,100
That included.

1531
02:13:45,340 --> 02:13:45,540
All right.

1532
02:13:45,920 --> 02:13:52,000
So it's a, it would be a loss of the habitat space and it would not include the monitoring or I'm

1533
02:13:52,000 --> 02:13:58,160
starting out the monitoring, but the actual care of that, the management of that space.

1534
02:13:58,160 --> 02:14:03,340
Okay. Any other questions of staff? Okay. Deputy Mayor.

1535
02:14:06,180 --> 02:14:11,100
Okay. Let's see. I was writing as you were talking. I was a little confused.

1536
02:14:11,440 --> 02:14:15,580
Why did City of Curlsbad comment on page 4?

1537
02:14:19,580 --> 02:14:27,520
They had questions regarding the transportation analysis in the study area

1538
02:14:27,520 --> 02:14:33,020
And that they requested that the project expand the study area to see if there was any

1539
02:14:33,020 --> 02:14:36,340
impacts to the city limits in Carlsbad.

1540
02:14:37,100 --> 02:14:40,680
The city limits as out in I believe

1541
02:14:41,280 --> 02:14:42,700
as a business park.

1542
02:14:43,520 --> 02:14:46,420
Yeah, the St. Marklesville of Arta Palma Airport Road.

1543
02:14:47,000 --> 02:14:47,400
Okay.

1544
02:14:48,200 --> 02:14:48,720
Okay.

1545
02:14:50,200 --> 02:14:55,900
And then the city landscape portion that was mentioned

1546
02:14:55,900 --> 02:14:59,960
and that will be needed on some of the roadway areas.

1547
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,880
Will that be a CFD that we will be covered on that, or how is that going to happen? That's correct. The applicant will have to pay into a CFD. Okay. And then, let's see. And this wasn't mentioned, but I believe this is the case. Nothing can happen on that site until the applicant gets the environmental approvals. That's correct. Okay.

1548
02:15:30,540 --> 02:15:38,080
And then who manages the open space, it's already been discussed.

1549
02:15:38,300 --> 02:15:40,460
We're not managing that, correct?

1550
02:15:40,560 --> 02:15:46,080
No, currently it's not being managed, and it's being degraded.

1551
02:15:46,160 --> 02:15:48,360
Correct, but I mean, who will manage that?

1552
02:15:48,420 --> 02:15:52,540
That'll be determined as part of the regulatory process,

1553
02:15:52,540 --> 02:15:56,320
so there'll be a conservancy, like a San Diego Conservancy,

1554
02:15:56,320 --> 02:16:01,880
your fallbook land conservancy and they will manage it in perpetuity and be paid through

1555
02:16:01,880 --> 02:16:04,060
an endowment established by the applicant.

1556
02:16:04,500 --> 02:16:04,800
Okay.

1557
02:16:04,960 --> 02:16:08,880
What happens if that endowment runs out, or can it not run out?

1558
02:16:09,180 --> 02:16:16,860
It can't run out because it is the way these funds are set up now.

1559
02:16:16,880 --> 02:16:22,860
They're set up through like a banking system so the money isn't managed through the conservancy.

1560
02:16:22,860 --> 02:16:33,900
It's managed through the San Diego Foundation as one example, so they will manage the money, fund it, and that money will remain in perpetuity.

1561
02:16:34,620 --> 02:16:44,100
Okay. And then I think it mentioned 76 EV chargers, or I might not have that number right.

1562
02:16:44,400 --> 02:16:46,940
Do you want to ask these questions of the applicant they might know?

1563
02:16:47,260 --> 02:16:49,900
Yeah, I think it was 24, but yeah, the applicant can confirm.

1564
02:16:49,900 --> 02:16:57,400
Okay. Are the garages pre-wired for EV chargers or just the 24 out?

1565
02:16:57,740 --> 02:16:59,560
No, they would need to be pre-wired.

1566
02:16:59,700 --> 02:17:00,320
They have to be.

1567
02:17:00,600 --> 02:17:09,600
Okay. And then can you explain about the vernal pools because when you hear

1568
02:17:09,600 --> 02:17:18,600
vernal pools you think water, and there's no water out there, is this just when it rains

1569
02:17:18,600 --> 02:17:24,740
then if that's the reason to maintain and preserve the

1570
02:17:24,740 --> 02:17:30,460
Vernal Pools? Yes, as a nonbiologist there's depressions in the ground there

1571
02:17:30,460 --> 02:17:38,840
and when it rains they feel and and there's very shrimp that are in there

1572
02:17:38,840 --> 02:17:43,840
and they're right now dormant but when it rains they come to life so to speak.

1573
02:17:43,840 --> 02:17:54,000
So, I'll let the applicants, you know, biologists expand on that, but they can provide you a pretty detailed explanation of how those

1574
02:17:54,000 --> 02:17:55,360
cavernal pools work and operate.

1575
02:17:56,620 --> 02:18:05,380
And just to confirm, I think there was a comment made that the industrial or the R&D use would create a significant

1576
02:18:05,380 --> 02:18:11,160
amount of more traffic than what we would experience with this project.

1577
02:18:11,160 --> 02:18:13,020
We create more traffic.

1578
02:18:13,500 --> 02:18:13,600
Okay.

1579
02:18:14,220 --> 02:18:14,880
Thank you.

1580
02:18:17,470 --> 02:18:18,870
Any other questions?

1581
02:18:20,090 --> 02:18:20,210
Okay.

1582
02:18:20,830 --> 02:18:21,370
All right.

1583
02:18:21,610 --> 02:18:24,030
The applicant then now can come up.

1584
02:18:25,010 --> 02:18:28,510
Pacific's strategically located walkable and filled development.

1585
02:18:29,210 --> 02:18:29,670
Welcome.

1586
02:18:33,520 --> 02:18:34,140
Good evening.

1587
02:18:34,860 --> 02:18:37,700
My name is Greg Wait and I represent the applicant tonight.

1588
02:18:38,980 --> 02:18:43,740
Mayor Jones, City Council members, I appreciate the opportunity to speak tonight on behalf of this project.

1589
02:18:43,740 --> 02:18:50,220
And I'd like to think a moment to recognize staff, both engineering and planning for

1590
02:18:50,220 --> 02:18:51,600
all their hard work to get to this point.

1591
02:18:51,980 --> 02:18:56,440
It's been a bit of a long road, as you can imagine, with the biological constraints and

1592
02:18:56,440 --> 02:19:00,500
the input that we received, so we're appreciative of the efforts to get here.

1593
02:19:00,640 --> 02:19:01,140
So thank you.

1594
02:19:02,220 --> 02:19:09,540
What you see in front of you tonight is the result of an extensively examined and refined plan.

1595
02:19:09,540 --> 02:19:11,400
and that's a result of input from the city,

1596
02:19:11,800 --> 02:19:14,560
from the wildlife agencies, and from the public.

1597
02:19:16,860 --> 02:19:19,460
The project is centrally located in San Marcos.

1598
02:19:20,120 --> 02:19:23,560
It's adjacent to or nearby Highway 78

1599
02:19:23,560 --> 02:19:26,080
and close to I-15 access.

1600
02:19:26,880 --> 02:19:29,060
It's located within proximity to schools,

1601
02:19:29,300 --> 02:19:31,340
colleges, restaurants, shopping, entertainment,

1602
02:19:31,520 --> 02:19:34,300
public parks, it's basically the epitome

1603
02:19:34,300 --> 02:19:36,020
of a perfect infill location.

1604
02:19:37,940 --> 02:19:42,680
It's one of the very few projects and locations in the city that's remaining to be developed

1605
02:19:42,680 --> 02:19:45,060
that falls within the VMT compliant area.

1606
02:19:45,800 --> 02:19:49,320
So there's no overriding consideration requested for this project.

1607
02:19:50,600 --> 02:19:55,160
Some of the barriers to development that we've encountered were known going in.

1608
02:19:55,280 --> 02:19:59,780
The biological constraints are one of the reasons why this site has not developed.

1609
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:27,440
In the 61 plus years that the city has been incorporated, this has been an industrial site. It's been through probably 10, 11, 12 real estate cycles with no applications coming forward to the city as I understand it. Everyone that's taken a look at this project has basically seen the biological constraints and they've run, run away. It's a difficult project for an industrial developer to try to make sense of.

1610
02:20:27,440 --> 02:20:29,120
They don't have the time or the patience,

1611
02:20:29,120 --> 02:20:32,220
nor the financial fortitude to go through the process

1612
02:20:32,620 --> 02:20:36,700
to be able to preserve 70 plus percent of the site

1613
02:20:36,700 --> 02:20:38,720
for biological purposes.

1614
02:20:39,440 --> 02:20:43,220
So that's one of the reasons why the development makes sense

1615
02:20:43,220 --> 02:20:47,980
as residential, and it's been slowly deteriorating over time

1616
02:20:47,980 --> 02:20:51,760
from a series of things.

1617
02:20:51,800 --> 02:20:55,160
Trespassing, illegal dumping, off-road vehicle intrusion,

1618
02:20:55,160 --> 02:20:57,680
and sometimes for the July viewers parking out there.

1619
02:20:59,640 --> 02:21:03,300
And so, you know, the biological preservation

1620
02:21:03,300 --> 02:21:04,540
is really important out here

1621
02:21:04,540 --> 02:21:06,160
and it's something that we take very seriously.

1622
02:21:06,840 --> 02:21:09,180
And it is one of the largest non-conserved areas

1623
02:21:09,180 --> 02:21:12,720
within the city limits that we intend to solve that problem.

1624
02:21:14,480 --> 02:21:18,580
And so, we're done a great deal of community outreach

1625
02:21:19,040 --> 02:21:19,800
on this project.

1626
02:21:19,800 --> 02:21:24,240
We've had a lot of meetings with the wildlife agencies.

1627
02:21:24,240 --> 02:21:27,200
We began engaging with them in 2020.

1628
02:21:28,280 --> 02:21:30,840
We've spoken with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service

1629
02:21:30,840 --> 02:21:31,320
at length.

1630
02:21:32,020 --> 02:21:34,100
U.S. Army Corps, we've touched bases with them.

1631
02:21:34,380 --> 02:21:37,260
We've invited CDFW to a multitude of meetings.

1632
02:21:37,960 --> 02:21:39,280
And we've communicated through staff

1633
02:21:39,280 --> 02:21:42,000
through the entire process in hearing from them

1634
02:21:42,000 --> 02:21:42,640
along the way.

1635
02:21:43,680 --> 02:21:45,820
And we've engaged business leaders in the area

1636
02:21:45,820 --> 02:21:47,600
to inform them of the project details

1637
02:21:47,600 --> 02:21:49,520
and gain feedback from them as well.

1638
02:21:49,520 --> 02:21:57,220
Well, San Mark has unified school district is obviously a great school system, but they've

1639
02:21:57,220 --> 02:21:58,760
had declining enrollment recently.

1640
02:21:59,520 --> 02:22:03,080
And our project will help to address the declining enrollment issue there.

1641
02:22:03,300 --> 02:22:10,540
It will help to pay into school fees for the maintenance and ongoing health of the school

1642
02:22:10,540 --> 02:22:10,960
district.

1643
02:22:11,420 --> 02:22:13,720
And it will help with student generation rates.

1644
02:22:16,140 --> 02:22:21,920
The development siding, as you heard from staff, was moved around a little bit as a result

1645
02:22:21,920 --> 02:22:25,860
of our research and discussions with the biological agencies.

1646
02:22:26,760 --> 02:22:30,640
And this is a pretty good map, and I want to address one of the council members' questions

1647
02:22:30,640 --> 02:22:31,660
regarding vernal pools.

1648
02:22:32,520 --> 02:22:39,300
So there are several different icons up there that are difficult to identify, but there are

1649
02:22:39,300 --> 02:22:44,140
Our Vernal pools that are occupied with San Diego Ferris Shrimp, which is a federally endangered

1650
02:22:44,140 --> 02:22:48,980
species, there are Vernal pools occupied with different ferris shrimp, which aren't necessarily

1651
02:22:48,980 --> 02:22:53,180
federally endangered, and there are Vernal pools that have no species in them whatsoever.

1652
02:22:54,080 --> 02:22:58,500
So we have an impact to a few Vernal pools, but those Vernal pools are not occupied with

1653
02:22:58,500 --> 02:23:00,740
any of the listed species.

1654
02:23:01,300 --> 02:23:06,940
So we will be seeking a permit through the CDFW, and the US Fish and Wildlife Service will

1655
02:23:06,940 --> 02:23:10,820
not be the lead agency on the biological permits on this because of the avoidance that we've

1656
02:23:10,820 --> 02:23:16,100
gone through. I think that's important. The other thing relative to the water question

1657
02:23:16,100 --> 02:23:21,600
was this site is not receiving water from anywhere off site. So the only water that gets

1658
02:23:21,600 --> 02:23:27,420
to this site is by natural rainfall. And there's been enough of it in recent years for us to

1659
02:23:27,420 --> 02:23:33,120
go out and do extensive studies of this site. And we have exhaustively researched and followed

1660
02:23:33,120 --> 02:23:43,820
protocol surveys to identify the species that are there and we're avoiding them to the extent that the US Fish and Wildlife Service requested that we do and move the proper project to the southern portion of the site.

1661
02:23:44,560 --> 02:23:50,120
We started with 449 units and we are now nearly half that.

1662
02:23:51,160 --> 02:24:02,780
So but in the process of going through that we have also continued to offer up the connectivity that the city wants

1663
02:24:02,780 --> 02:24:08,580
to see in the in the form of trails and sidewalks and we've worked with city

1664
02:24:08,580 --> 02:24:14,460
engineering to utilize the new city trail system design guidelines for what we're

1665
02:24:14,460 --> 02:24:22,940
doing and we we want to address to the existing uses that are surrounding the

1666
02:24:22,940 --> 02:24:27,780
site some of those are industrial we had one resident or one business owner

1667
02:24:27,780 --> 02:24:31,700
write a letter to us regarding the surrounding uses and it's important to note

1668
02:24:31,700 --> 02:24:38,420
that the buyers that this particular development will be receiving disclosures via the CCNRs

1669
02:24:38,420 --> 02:24:43,860
and the purchase documents to ensure that the residents coming in are informed about the

1670
02:24:43,860 --> 02:24:48,140
existing surrounding uses and that those those existing uses have the right to continue

1671
02:24:48,860 --> 02:24:53,600
and they will not only be conveyed to the buyers of the first time but they'll be conveyed to

1672
02:24:53,600 --> 02:24:58,740
additional buyers and perpetuity. So the public will be well informed regarding the existing uses.

1673
02:24:58,740 --> 02:24:59,940
I'm standing.

1674
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:29,760
Half went through the public improvements, but I think it's important to touch on them again. The trail system and connectivity on all four sides is something that we value, and I know the city values also. We will be providing a four way traffic signal at Pacific and Las Posas. An enhanced bus stop, including a bench bus shelter in trash can where there's currently just a poll with a sign on it, and there'll be a turnout there too for the buses. And we'll be extending the median along Las Posas with

1675
02:25:29,760 --> 02:25:35,700
landscaping in it, and that will help set up the turn pocket lane onto Linda Vista.

1676
02:25:37,940 --> 02:25:46,500
And this site has not developed as industrial for a long time because of all these constraints related primarily to biology.

1677
02:25:46,840 --> 02:25:51,580
And this project will bring substantial tax and sales tax revenue to the city.

1678
02:25:51,660 --> 02:25:52,860
It will help the school district.

1679
02:25:53,120 --> 02:25:58,000
It provides workforce housing within a three mile radius of some of North County's largest business centers,

1680
02:25:58,000 --> 02:26:03,080
including San Marcos, Vista, and Carlsbad, and it's one of the last remaining vacant properties

1681
02:26:03,080 --> 02:26:09,420
in a definable infill area. So it's very walkable. There's grocery and retail and restaurants across

1682
02:26:09,420 --> 02:26:18,400
the way at Grand Plaza. You've got Bradley Park adjacent and then we've got ample amenities,

1683
02:26:18,780 --> 02:26:24,640
recreation amenities on site. We're formally preserving the resources with long-term management

1684
02:26:24,640 --> 02:26:30,580
and perpetuity. We're helping the city achieve its goals of bicycle and pedestrian connectivity.

1685
02:26:31,280 --> 02:26:35,820
We're improving access to public transportation, providing that new four-way signal.

1686
02:26:36,540 --> 02:26:40,760
It's going to have the high visibility crosswalks, which will make it safer for pedestrian access,

1687
02:26:41,220 --> 02:26:47,160
bicycle movement, increased tax revenue to the city, more housing choices in a walkable area,

1688
02:26:47,720 --> 02:26:50,900
and the prevention of illegal dumping and degradation of bile resources

1689
02:26:50,900 --> 02:26:55,020
are all some of the reasons why you should support this project.

1690
02:26:55,480 --> 02:27:03,640
This last graphic depicts the amount of open space, and it's really hard to wrap your head around what this means as a project to a developer.

1691
02:27:04,020 --> 02:27:08,580
But it's very difficult to make projects work in California as it stands.

1692
02:27:09,140 --> 02:27:19,800
And to set aside this much biological open space shows a true commitment by the developer to really work with the city to make something that can be viable long term.

1693
02:27:19,800 --> 02:27:23,240
So we really look forward to seeing this project come forward and

1694
02:27:24,420 --> 02:27:30,920
Just like to again point out the entrances the main entry is on the center of Linda Vista mid block

1695
02:27:31,640 --> 02:27:37,160
And then the second entrance is on Pacific Street both of those of our full-term movement entries

1696
02:27:37,840 --> 02:27:38,320
so

1697
02:27:38,960 --> 02:27:43,280
I thank you all for the opportunity to speak tonight and if you have any questions

1698
02:27:43,800 --> 02:27:46,920
All right, thank you any questions from the council

1699
02:27:46,920 --> 02:28:01,780
Just real quickly and for disclosure we met yesterday with the applicant and the consultant and we did talk about and it kind of dovetails with what Carol Gandell asked earlier about in lieu fees versus the 15% housing.

1700
02:28:02,180 --> 02:28:06,640
Are you able to discuss that the situation, but the project as proposed?

1701
02:28:07,200 --> 02:28:12,220
Yeah, I think this graphic is really kind of tells a story about that.

1702
02:28:12,400 --> 02:28:17,240
You know, we started out with a project of 449 units, it had a variety of different

1703
02:28:17,240 --> 02:28:23,300
housing types and sizes and through the discussions with the wildlife agencies to whom we have

1704
02:28:23,300 --> 02:28:28,860
to apply for a permit, it was made clear to us that that wasn't going to fly with them,

1705
02:28:28,860 --> 02:28:32,580
that they weren't going to be able to allow us to move forward with that plan.

1706
02:28:32,580 --> 02:28:41,220
And so we were strongly suggested and advised to reduce the project footprint and move it to the south.

1707
02:28:41,500 --> 02:28:54,140
And in so doing, we opted for this plan to be able to do all the other things that the city was asking to do and to provide all the connectivity in the infrastructure improvements.

1708
02:28:54,900 --> 02:29:00,820
So this project will be contributing just over $2 million in lieu fees to the city.

1709
02:29:00,820 --> 02:29:08,000
and those fees will be married up with other fees and utilized to help the city's

1710
02:29:09,020 --> 02:29:13,840
efforts to build new affordable housing. That money also gets expanded by

1711
02:29:13,840 --> 02:29:18,240
grant money and matching dollars that makes it expand to beyond that initial

1712
02:29:18,240 --> 02:29:25,160
total. So we feel strongly that this is a project that addresses the affordable

1713
02:29:25,160 --> 02:29:30,460
housing concerns through that in Luffy and it's a great balance between all

1714
02:29:30,460 --> 02:29:34,300
All of the things that are constraining the site and have constrained the site for 60 plus years.

1715
02:29:35,060 --> 02:29:35,660
Thank you.

1716
02:29:37,770 --> 02:29:41,470
All right, Council member, Tamella, sorry.

1717
02:29:41,710 --> 02:29:41,950
Thank you.

1718
02:29:42,390 --> 02:29:43,230
Thank you, Mr. Wait.

1719
02:29:45,450 --> 02:29:52,890
This site, yeah, I kind of live kind of in that part of town and drive passes the site frequently,

1720
02:29:53,430 --> 02:29:57,190
usually on the weekends, as I'm just out and about doing my errands.

1721
02:29:57,190 --> 02:29:59,030
and traffic's not so bad there.

1722
02:30:00,110 --> 02:30:29,010
On the weekends, but there's been a couple of times I've taken Linda Vista, right about time the high school is getting out. And I think one of the biggest benefits that you're bringing to this area is that is that traffic light. Because every single card currently has to stop. And that traffic backs up almost to Rancho Santa Fe when you're when you're heading east. And I think having a light that's controlling the traffic pattern in that area is going to make a huge difference.

1723
02:30:29,010 --> 02:30:58,790
I really also like one of the aspects of this piece of property, this footprint, is missing today, is the walkability and the bikeability around the entire perimeter, and you're bringing that to an area that doesn't currently have that, and I think that's going to be a huge enhancement for the folks that ride there by some walk in this area, and it's going to open up the walking path between the park, between the residents on Rancho Santa Fe

1724
02:30:58,790 --> 02:31:03,510
to bring a safer route for them to go to the shopping that you mentioned earlier at Grand Plaza.

1725
02:31:04,270 --> 02:31:06,350
And it's all kind of coming together, right?

1726
02:31:07,470 --> 02:31:13,910
There's so much to like about this project that, you know, the environmental piece of it.

1727
02:31:13,990 --> 02:31:18,510
But it's very rarely that we have a project before us where it's a win-win.

1728
02:31:19,170 --> 02:31:24,750
We're helping, you know, solve and meet our challenges with our housing needs.

1729
02:31:25,270 --> 02:31:27,410
But the environment's winning in this situation.

1730
02:31:27,410 --> 02:31:31,750
You can look at this graphic that you have up right now, and you can see there's

1731
02:31:32,790 --> 02:31:41,350
unauthorized trail systems already established through there, right? And as you mentioned, there's folks that dump there, and they drive on the land there.

1732
02:31:41,990 --> 02:31:53,310
And all of that is destroying the habitat, the protected habitat that's there, and you are proposing not only to not develop on it, I understand that that's not my choice.

1733
02:31:53,310 --> 02:32:00,110
But you're you're gonna protect it and and you're gonna protect it forever and so this is really truly a win-win for

1734
02:32:00,110 --> 02:32:02,910
our housing needs and the environment so

1735
02:32:03,710 --> 02:32:09,530
Just I can go on but I really think this is the right project in the right area on the right piece of land

1736
02:32:09,530 --> 02:32:11,970
So thank you for putting so much thought into this

1737
02:32:12,970 --> 02:32:19,910
Development thank you and the bike lanes that are adjacent to the park to the new bike park. Yeah, that's a good park too

1738
02:32:19,910 --> 02:32:22,350
Okay, deputy mayor. Yes

1739
02:32:22,350 --> 02:32:23,950
Yes, a couple of questions.

1740
02:32:25,870 --> 02:32:31,910
So I don't think this is, oh, I do want to disclose, I'm meant with the applicant and

1741
02:32:31,910 --> 02:32:34,350
the consultant last week, so I want that on the record.

1742
02:32:35,790 --> 02:32:40,690
I don't think this has been mentioned, but can you explain to us how you're going to preserve

1743
02:32:40,690 --> 02:32:43,670
that open space so nobody can no longer walk on it?

1744
02:32:44,130 --> 02:32:52,210
Yes, we attempted initially to have a trail that kind of worked with the existing sort

1745
02:32:52,210 --> 02:32:58,450
of one of the ex-patterns that runs through it and the wildlife agencies really did not want that

1746
02:32:59,310 --> 02:33:08,110
and they admonished us for trying but we tried. But the project will have a fence around it.

1747
02:33:08,310 --> 02:33:13,450
So the development footprint that you see will be fenced from the open space and then the perimeter

1748
02:33:13,450 --> 02:33:19,530
of the entire property will be fenced also with tubular steel fencing. There will be gates at certain

1749
02:33:19,530 --> 02:33:24,330
points throughout the open space area for the biological management folks to go in

1750
02:33:24,330 --> 02:33:29,870
and do their surveys and management and you know check up on the status of the habitat.

1751
02:33:30,610 --> 02:33:37,890
And there will be likely a monitoring period that occurs after the mitigation has occurred

1752
02:33:37,890 --> 02:33:44,390
to be sure that it has successfully taken and the mitigation was done appropriately.

1753
02:33:45,190 --> 02:33:49,050
And then at some point in the future the agencies will buy off and the endowment will take

1754
02:33:49,050 --> 02:33:53,950
over. The endowment gets funded early and so you brought up some questions about whether

1755
02:33:53,950 --> 02:33:58,150
that would run out. Because the endowment is funded around the time of the final map

1756
02:33:58,150 --> 02:34:03,250
issue and prior to ground disturbance, there's a period of time that occurs where that endowment

1757
02:34:03,250 --> 02:34:09,690
fund is gaining dollars through the management company that's handling those funds that have

1758
02:34:09,690 --> 02:34:14,770
been deposited. And so there's a lift there that occurs with no expense until the developer

1759
02:34:14,770 --> 02:34:26,290
So that's another good contribution, if you will, to the endowment that is received while the applicant and while the developer are maintaining it.

1760
02:34:26,770 --> 02:34:38,710
Thank you. I think it's good to mention about the fence because when you see open space and people are no longer able to walk on it and they see this fence go up.

1761
02:34:38,710 --> 02:34:42,070
that's a little bit uneasy for some people.

1762
02:34:42,930 --> 02:34:45,770
It's basically because of the wildlife agencies.

1763
02:34:45,890 --> 02:34:51,510
Yeah, and this has been touted as one of the areas that the wildlife agencies really want

1764
02:34:51,510 --> 02:34:52,210
to see preserved.

1765
02:34:52,510 --> 02:34:54,030
They recognize that it's degrading.

1766
02:34:54,090 --> 02:34:57,470
They recognize that there's a legal activity on it and they really know that there needs

1767
02:34:57,470 --> 02:34:59,530
to be a development to be able to put forward.

1768
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:27,840
The endowment to, and the preservation and perpetuity to allow the, the species to endure. And that's what the, the project is proposing to do. I did want to ask if I answered the question appropriately on vernal pools that you would ask earlier. Yes. Okay. Thank you. And then I have another comment, maybe question. So I understand that the disclosure about nearby industrial area is going to be in the CCRs.

1769
02:35:27,840 --> 02:35:32,960
I would really like them to be a disclosure in the HOA documents.

1770
02:35:33,160 --> 02:35:35,260
Yeah, I mentioned it will be in the sales documents also.

1771
02:35:35,400 --> 02:35:44,720
Okay, but I mean, when you say sales, I think sales to a buyer, but I'm talking about HOA documents for the community.

1772
02:35:45,520 --> 02:35:54,460
So that when future buyers come in, it's obviously, it's obvious it's an industrial area, but issues come up with disclosure.

1773
02:35:54,460 --> 02:35:58,880
So I think I think it should be in the HOA documents.

1774
02:35:59,140 --> 02:36:00,420
Okay, we can definitely add that.

1775
02:36:00,780 --> 02:36:07,180
Yeah, and I just really like, and I know this has already been mentioned, but I really

1776
02:36:07,180 --> 02:36:10,440
like the walkability because you can go to the grocery store.

1777
02:36:11,100 --> 02:36:17,480
You can walk to shop, you can walk to eat, you can walk to school, and maybe some of these

1778
02:36:17,480 --> 02:36:19,880
people will walk to work nearby.

1779
02:36:20,260 --> 02:36:20,540
Yeah, hopefully.

1780
02:36:20,540 --> 02:36:26,340
I think that's a huge component of this, so I think that's all I have.

1781
02:36:26,620 --> 02:36:27,000
Thank you.

1782
02:36:28,280 --> 02:36:29,440
Thank you, Greg.

1783
02:36:30,400 --> 02:36:34,580
Okay, so I actually agree with Deputy Mayor.

1784
02:36:34,800 --> 02:36:40,820
I think having, actually having it in HOA documents and the CCNRs would be important.

1785
02:36:41,760 --> 02:36:47,800
I, oh, when I did, for the record, I did meet with the developer and the consultant.

1786
02:36:47,800 --> 02:36:53,200
So the bus stop, the NCTD bus stop, who's going to maintain that?

1787
02:36:53,280 --> 02:36:56,160
And I'm glad that you're not just putting up that little tiny sign.

1788
02:36:56,720 --> 02:36:59,760
Most people, if it's hot out, they want to sit.

1789
02:37:00,220 --> 02:37:01,920
So who's going to maintain that?

1790
02:37:02,220 --> 02:37:09,460
That's a public facility, so that'll be maintained by whatever the current city's public facilities fee is.

1791
02:37:09,540 --> 02:37:14,260
But the project will be participating in the public facilities CFD.

1792
02:37:14,260 --> 02:37:19,800
So we will be providing dollars for that, for trail maintenance, park maintenance, all

1793
02:37:19,800 --> 02:37:20,260
of those things.

1794
02:37:20,380 --> 02:37:24,940
I don't know exactly how the city currently funds the maintenance on those, but it's in

1795
02:37:24,940 --> 02:37:25,840
the public right of way.

1796
02:37:26,600 --> 02:37:31,220
And that would then be something that would be responsibility of the city or NCTD.

1797
02:37:31,280 --> 02:37:33,040
I don't know exactly who manages those.

1798
02:37:33,140 --> 02:37:34,880
Maybe Joe, you can answer that.

1799
02:37:34,900 --> 02:37:35,420
No, no.

1800
02:37:35,720 --> 02:37:35,980
Joe.

1801
02:37:36,260 --> 02:37:39,400
It'll be NCTD who will take care of their shelter.

1802
02:37:39,800 --> 02:37:40,040
Okay.

1803
02:37:40,360 --> 02:37:40,540
All right.

1804
02:37:40,820 --> 02:37:41,000
Okay.

1805
02:37:41,260 --> 02:37:41,700
Good to know.

1806
02:37:41,700 --> 02:37:50,520
And then, so I remember you guys told me that there is about two million dollars towards schools and

1807
02:37:50,520 --> 02:37:59,800
that about 2.3 in Loufee's, which goes toward housing, and this is actually for staff and that is,

1808
02:38:00,840 --> 02:38:09,020
so if it was industrial, it is a much lower amount towards schools, I think, and then no in Loufee's, correct?

1809
02:38:09,020 --> 02:38:12,200
If it were to build us industrial.

1810
02:38:12,820 --> 02:38:16,460
Yeah, that's my understanding. Definitely no in loofies.

1811
02:38:16,940 --> 02:38:24,420
Yeah, okay. And then let's see, oh the management.

1812
02:38:25,040 --> 02:38:29,060
Yeah, so you're going to fence it on the inside and the outside.

1813
02:38:29,360 --> 02:38:31,040
So no one can get access to it.

1814
02:38:31,340 --> 02:38:35,100
Yeah, the development side between the development and the open space

1815
02:38:35,100 --> 02:38:38,060
will not have gates that go into the open space area.

1816
02:38:38,060 --> 02:38:41,500
the gates will all be on the perimeter for the biologists to go through there so they're

1817
02:38:41,500 --> 02:38:48,820
not coming in and parking within the community to do their surveys so and we're making sure

1818
02:38:48,820 --> 02:38:54,640
that the residents don't just meander out there into the open space right that's really what the

1819
02:38:54,640 --> 02:39:01,280
wildlife agencies want to see and and just for the public to on the habitat space it actually gets

1820
02:39:01,280 --> 02:39:12,200
replanted. So all the shrubs that have been run over by cars and whatnot, it actually gets restored to a better state than it actually is today.

1821
02:39:12,480 --> 02:39:13,620
So it'll look after.

1822
02:39:14,020 --> 02:39:19,780
That's correct. There's enhancement. There's translocation of the species that are impacted by the development.

1823
02:39:20,760 --> 02:39:30,540
We're anticipating that occurs on site in some of those areas that are currently run over and not currently occupied by some other biological

1824
02:39:30,540 --> 02:39:33,760
you know, the species that we're trying to avoid also.

1825
02:39:33,960 --> 02:39:37,920
So it's a very complex site from a biological perspective,

1826
02:39:38,000 --> 02:39:41,480
but we have experts here that have helped us every step

1827
02:39:41,480 --> 02:39:44,060
of the way and, you know, we do have to go through the process

1828
02:39:44,060 --> 02:39:47,440
with the CDFW for obtaining the state permit.

1829
02:39:47,660 --> 02:39:49,280
So that's a whole other thing that happens

1830
02:39:49,280 --> 02:39:52,020
after tonight's action.

1831
02:39:52,500 --> 02:39:54,180
And just wanted to iterate that too.

1832
02:39:54,620 --> 02:39:59,320
You cannot build one, you can't build one thing

1833
02:39:59,320 --> 02:39:59,940
if it's not...

1834
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:29,220
We'll actually approve by the wildlife agencies. That's correct. That's correct. And we're going to be seeking an early grading permit to be able to start the translocation and biological work ahead of time so that that can be, you know, get a jumpstart on that early as much as we are able to with the city's criteria. So once you do the grading, are you going to put up any fencing at all whatsoever? Just probably temporary. There'll be 10 fencing during construction. We'll probably permanently put up the fencing around the perimeter as soon as we can.

1835
02:40:29,220 --> 02:40:33,980
And that will obviously depend on the improvements that are occurring on the perimeter.

1836
02:40:34,320 --> 02:40:39,220
Well, I was going to say if you do any of the work with those biological plants and whatnot,

1837
02:40:39,440 --> 02:40:44,300
you don't want to have people walking in there and making sure that's going to be a concern

1838
02:40:44,300 --> 02:40:47,080
of the wildlife agencies when we go through the permitting process as well.

1839
02:40:47,360 --> 02:40:48,400
Yeah, I would agree.

1840
02:40:48,840 --> 02:40:53,220
Okay, all right, well, thank you, and then we have two public speakers on this item.

1841
02:40:53,220 --> 02:40:54,800
Thank you for appreciate it.

1842
02:40:55,060 --> 02:40:57,380
We have two public speakers on this item.

1843
02:40:57,380 --> 02:41:03,720
So I will, Justin Gans, followed by Elisiar Roman.

1844
02:41:07,440 --> 02:41:08,160
Welcome, Justin.

1845
02:41:12,720 --> 02:41:14,000
Hello, council members.

1846
02:41:14,760 --> 02:41:16,300
So I just have a couple questions.

1847
02:41:17,500 --> 02:41:22,620
Even if this is approved by the city, it was tough to be approved by the state federal

1848
02:41:22,620 --> 02:41:24,700
environmental agencies, correct?

1849
02:41:25,380 --> 02:41:27,280
Yeah, that's a question I just asked.

1850
02:41:27,720 --> 02:41:28,000
Okay.

1851
02:41:28,460 --> 02:41:29,400
I was anticipating.

1852
02:41:33,980 --> 02:41:39,300
To be specific, the project does require permits to be issued by the resource agencies.

1853
02:41:39,760 --> 02:41:42,820
The project cannot proceed unless those permits are issued.

1854
02:41:43,320 --> 02:41:44,420
Okay, great, thank you.

1855
02:41:46,260 --> 02:41:52,200
And I would like to say personally, I'm excited to see high-density housing development.

1856
02:41:52,500 --> 02:41:56,980
I think it's a really great thing, and I do like the walkability in the area and everything.

1857
02:41:57,800 --> 02:42:05,620
I still am concerned about how this did used to include low income housing.

1858
02:42:05,960 --> 02:42:10,880
I understand that there are difficulties with how this development has worked, but

1859
02:42:10,880 --> 02:42:16,260
I think that considering the area that it's in being so walkable and

1860
02:42:16,260 --> 02:42:22,580
bikeable and that it is a really great opportunity to build low income affordable housing in this area,

1861
02:42:22,580 --> 02:42:31,040
I would like to see that included and that's

1862
02:42:33,350 --> 02:42:35,350
really the main thing, I guess, but I'm excited

1863
02:42:35,350 --> 02:42:38,830
to see high density housing. It's better than all the sprawl. It's ugly. It's bad for the

1864
02:42:38,830 --> 02:42:44,190
environment. And we need more of this anywhere that we can get it. And I think just looking

1865
02:42:44,190 --> 02:42:53,470
at the map the developers have been very conscientious about the area and sort of the destruction

1866
02:42:53,470 --> 02:42:59,650
of it. I think it is good that I'll be conserved. And yeah, I just, I wish that there was

1867
02:43:00,210 --> 02:43:05,830
low income for housing as a part of this development. Thank you.

1868
02:43:06,350 --> 02:43:12,530
Thank you, Justin. Next up, Elias are. Welcome.

1869
02:43:15,570 --> 02:43:17,750
Good evening, Madam Mayor,

1870
02:43:17,750 --> 02:43:24,730
council and staff. My name is Elazar Roman. I am a member of the Western States

1871
02:43:24,730 --> 02:43:32,750
Regional Council of Carpenters. I live in the local area. I live by work and I

1872
02:43:32,750 --> 02:43:35,390
recreate in the vicinity of the project.

1873
02:43:37,470 --> 02:43:40,350
I believe that we will be impacted by

1874
02:43:40,350 --> 02:43:44,850
by the environmental impacts of this project.

1875
02:43:46,850 --> 02:43:56,190
But I also think that the city should require the project to be built by contractors that will hire locally.

1876
02:43:58,710 --> 02:44:06,230
Contractors that pay prevent the wages and utilize apprentices from the state apprenticeship,

1877
02:44:06,230 --> 02:44:30,370
from a certified apprenticeship, also that they use, that the workforce requirements reduce construction related environmental impacts while benefiting the local economy and workforce development in recent, in the recent 2020

1878
02:44:30,370 --> 02:44:58,430
In the report title put in California on the high road, a jobs climate action plan for 2030, the California workforce development board concluded that investments in growing the diversifying end of skilled in California's workforce can positively affect returns on climate mitigation, climate mitigation efforts.

1879
02:44:58,430 --> 02:44:59,510
of

1880
02:45:00,620 --> 02:45:30,600
The South Coast Air Quality Management District recently found that local higher requirements can result in air polluted reductions, and recently the state of California reiterated its commitment towards encouraging workforce development and housing affordability through the affordable housing and high road jobs act.

1881
02:45:30,600 --> 02:45:46,710
of 2022, which requires projects to pay workers a prevailing wage in higher and higher from state certified apprenticeship programs for projects meeting certain seating,

1882
02:45:47,430 --> 02:45:57,830
affordability and development standards as short and sweet, I hope you take this into consideration.

1883
02:45:57,830 --> 02:45:58,710
Thank

1884
02:46:01,040 --> 02:46:01,360
you.

1885
02:46:02,360 --> 02:46:02,880
Okay.

1886
02:46:03,460 --> 02:46:06,300
Any further discussion from the council?

1887
02:46:07,860 --> 02:46:09,000
Council member, I'm not sure if no.

1888
02:46:09,300 --> 02:46:09,460
Nope.

1889
02:46:09,840 --> 02:46:11,060
Just moved to close the public hearing.

1890
02:46:11,400 --> 02:46:11,640
Okay.

1891
02:46:12,180 --> 02:46:12,400
All right.

1892
02:46:12,660 --> 02:46:14,980
We have motion and a second to close the public hearing.

1893
02:46:15,520 --> 02:46:16,320
All in favor?

1894
02:46:16,640 --> 02:46:17,060
Aye.

1895
02:46:17,460 --> 02:46:17,840
Any nos?

1896
02:46:18,760 --> 02:46:19,220
Seeing none.

1897
02:46:20,120 --> 02:46:20,640
Okay.

1898
02:46:22,020 --> 02:46:23,940
Any further comments?

1899
02:46:25,200 --> 02:46:25,720
No.

1900
02:46:25,940 --> 02:46:28,920
Just make a motion to approve the project as presented by staff.

1901
02:46:28,920 --> 02:46:36,080
Second go ahead. Okay, we have a motion and a second all in favor. Hi, and he knows. Okay motion passes

1902
02:46:36,760 --> 02:46:38,660
unanimously. Board is zero.

1903
02:46:40,360 --> 02:46:40,960
Okay

1904
02:46:41,740 --> 02:46:43,340
Moving on to

1905
02:46:44,260 --> 02:46:49,760
Oral communications. Do we have any we have a few? I'm sorry. What?

1906
02:46:54,060 --> 02:46:55,260
Thank you

1907
02:46:55,260 --> 02:46:58,940
No, he was on item 22

1908
02:47:00,920 --> 02:47:04,280
I'm sorry. Are these? Yeah. These are public comments.

1909
02:47:04,340 --> 02:47:06,480
Thank you for coming in. Yeah. Support team.

1910
02:47:06,940 --> 02:47:10,280
Thank you. Okay. We've got Justin.

1911
02:47:11,360 --> 02:47:14,820
Yeah. Justin, did you? Did you want to speak again?

1912
02:47:15,080 --> 02:47:15,900
My apologies.

1913
02:47:19,850 --> 02:47:21,370
Sorry. Wait a second.

1914
02:47:21,430 --> 02:47:24,310
Wait a second. It should be in your for public comment.

1915
02:47:24,630 --> 02:47:26,970
Public comment. Yes. Okay. All right. I'm sorry.

1916
02:47:27,570 --> 02:47:31,090
My apologies. I was thinking, wait. He did talk on that last item.

1917
02:47:31,090 --> 02:47:35,210
my thought you guys were trying to tell me on that item and I was thinking what just happened I don't

1918
02:47:35,210 --> 02:47:42,290
think I messed that up okay um sorry okay you know I have you here okay sorry Shiro will be

1919
02:47:42,290 --> 02:47:48,710
followed by Alejandra Coronado followed by Justin Gans and then Christina in that order sorry

1920
02:47:48,710 --> 02:47:49,710
good

1921
02:48:12,110 --> 02:48:12,470
evening

1922
02:48:14,580 --> 02:48:22,180
Rebecca Jones you messed uh you posted uh you supporting uh Israel you went to a

1923
02:48:22,180 --> 02:48:32,160
Israeli rally for a peace for Israel, you say pray

1924
02:48:34,850 --> 02:48:36,810
for both peace in Israel and the

1925
02:48:36,810 --> 02:48:42,250
release of the women, children and elderly that are being held hostage. How about

1926
02:48:42,250 --> 02:48:46,630
the 45,000 Palestinians, civilians who are brutally killed though.

1927
02:48:50,200 --> 02:48:50,620
It's not

1928
02:48:50,620 --> 02:48:57,800
it's surely not a numbers game but there are 251 Israeli hostages and 45,000 dead Palestinians.

1929
02:48:59,260 --> 02:49:04,180
This brings multiple things to the light that is going to stick with you, Miss Honourable Mayor.

1930
02:49:05,060 --> 02:49:11,080
For one, you claim to not place a permanent and bilateral ceasefire on the agenda due to you not

1931
02:49:11,080 --> 02:49:17,940
getting involved in foreign affairs, yet you visibly attend rallies for Israel. You choose not to

1932
02:49:17,940 --> 02:49:21,920
So personally put it in the agenda due to your biased and strong stance on the situation

1933
02:49:21,920 --> 02:49:23,940
with a certain side and that's the truth.

1934
02:49:24,340 --> 02:49:28,960
You are currently using your position to ensure the city of San Marcos continues investments

1935
02:49:28,960 --> 02:49:31,980
funding into companies who support Israeli's war crime.

1936
02:49:33,480 --> 02:49:38,380
For two, it's sickening knowing that when one of our community members come up here to speak

1937
02:49:38,380 --> 02:49:44,280
on the genocide, you act like you don't pay attention but it's really you not caring about

1938
02:49:44,280 --> 02:49:45,780
a single brown casualty.

1939
02:49:45,780 --> 02:49:50,920
Maybe that's why two brown women made you feel I quote you on this threatened by asking

1940
02:49:50,920 --> 02:49:52,920
to have an educated conversation with you.

1941
02:49:53,360 --> 02:49:54,220
Thank you.

1942
02:49:54,400 --> 02:49:54,780
Thank

1943
02:49:57,760 --> 02:49:58,360
you, Cheryl.

1944
02:49:58,760 --> 02:49:59,940
Next up is...

1945
02:50:11,900 --> 02:50:35,960
Hello. Today, I want to share with you the profound sadness and distress that grips Palestine, particularly Gaza and Rafa. Places that were supposed to be a safe place for displaced Palestinians, claimed Israel forces, but have instead become the complete opposite. Rafa, assemble protection for Palestinians is not relentlessly bombarded by Israel forces, leaving the children and Palestinians in constant fear and anger.

1946
02:50:35,960 --> 02:50:40,300
I don't understand how you can accept this information and do nothing about it.

1947
02:50:40,900 --> 02:50:44,580
I find it quite embarrassing Rebecca Jones that we have been coming to every meaning

1948
02:50:44,580 --> 02:50:49,820
recently and you choose to ignore and not respond to us but yet two meetings ago you responded

1949
02:50:49,820 --> 02:50:55,100
and corrected a speaker who claimed you flutter your eyelashes too much and you responded

1950
02:50:55,100 --> 02:50:59,180
during the public comment and said the words actually it's because I have dry eyes.

1951
02:50:59,600 --> 02:51:01,220
So you can respond to public comment.

1952
02:51:02,360 --> 02:51:04,300
It's just embarrassing to find out that you can.

1953
02:51:04,300 --> 02:51:09,060
In recent days alone, Palestinians and Gaza have been brutally killed by Israel forces.

1954
02:51:09,380 --> 02:51:14,940
Israel has bombed refugee camps and schools fired upon refugees from helicopters and

1955
02:51:14,940 --> 02:51:17,380
continuously raiding the homes of journalists.

1956
02:51:17,860 --> 02:51:23,380
How can anyone, how can anyone especially Eurobeca Jones witness this and not see it as a tragedy

1957
02:51:23,380 --> 02:51:25,260
of unimaginable proportions?

1958
02:51:26,640 --> 02:51:32,520
Unfortunately, like Shadow said, we saw you participate in a pro-Israel protest, and now it's clear

1959
02:51:32,520 --> 02:51:36,560
that it's a conflict of interest and you're choosing to ignore us due to personal opinion

1960
02:51:36,560 --> 02:51:37,520
of this genocide.

1961
02:51:38,120 --> 02:51:40,040
How pathetic to support Israel.

1962
02:51:40,680 --> 02:51:45,460
The staggering toll is unbearable over 40,000 Palestinians, many of them children have

1963
02:51:45,460 --> 02:51:49,940
lost their lives just from October, but this has been happening since 1948.

1964
02:51:50,600 --> 02:51:55,060
Children in Gaza are searching for food because supplies are deliberately withheld by Israel

1965
02:51:55,060 --> 02:51:55,440
forces.

1966
02:51:55,780 --> 02:51:56,640
How is that okay?

1967
02:51:57,340 --> 02:51:59,420
What did these children do to deserve this torture?

1968
02:51:59,420 --> 02:52:04,220
The facts are undeniable, they're there for anyone to see if you care to look and educate

1969
02:52:04,220 --> 02:52:04,700
yourself.

1970
02:52:05,240 --> 02:52:09,320
We're just asking for one thing and to put this on the agenda, call for a permanent cease

1971
02:52:09,320 --> 02:52:09,740
fire.

1972
02:52:10,200 --> 02:52:13,440
There's just no justification for your silence that surrounds the suffering.

1973
02:52:13,960 --> 02:52:16,000
Other nations have acted, why haven't we?

1974
02:52:16,420 --> 02:52:17,760
Why haven't you Rebecca Jones?

1975
02:52:17,980 --> 02:52:22,520
It's clear because you've chosen a side and it's quite pathetic because that's not how decisions

1976
02:52:23,040 --> 02:52:24,720
of what should be put on the agenda.

1977
02:52:24,720 --> 02:52:28,660
how should be made is because due to your personal opinion.

1978
02:52:29,660 --> 02:52:32,820
I refuse to remain silent while others are suffering for no reason.

1979
02:52:33,580 --> 02:52:36,060
This isn't about race, religion, or nationality.

1980
02:52:36,120 --> 02:52:37,300
It's about basic humanity.

1981
02:52:37,800 --> 02:52:39,860
If children's lives matter to us,

1982
02:52:39,860 --> 02:52:41,120
at all they matter,

1983
02:52:41,340 --> 02:52:43,220
equally regardless of where they are born.

1984
02:52:43,800 --> 02:52:45,320
Children who have done nothing

1985
02:52:45,320 --> 02:52:48,600
but exist are being killed by Israel forces every day.

1986
02:52:49,100 --> 02:52:50,920
It's time to confront the uncomfortable truth

1987
02:52:50,920 --> 02:52:51,880
and demand action.

1988
02:52:51,880 --> 02:52:53,920
and please just consider to put it on the agenda

1989
02:52:53,920 --> 02:52:55,580
on call for a permanent ceasefire.

1990
02:52:56,020 --> 02:52:57,780
Silence only perpetuates the freeing.

1991
02:52:57,780 --> 02:52:59,400
Let us not lose our humanity

1992
02:52:59,400 --> 02:53:01,640
in the comfort of our own privilege and freedom.

1993
02:53:03,780 --> 02:53:05,420
I don't get why you're not paying attention,

1994
02:53:05,660 --> 02:53:07,640
but Palestinians are just people like us,

1995
02:53:07,640 --> 02:53:09,720
especially children who have dreams like we do,

1996
02:53:10,140 --> 02:53:10,840
families like we do,

1997
02:53:10,900 --> 02:53:12,460
and a future they wish to continue.

1998
02:53:13,600 --> 02:53:14,540
Thank you, Alejandra.

1999
02:53:14,780 --> 02:53:17,320
Next up, Justin Gans, followed by Christina.

2000
02:53:22,620 --> 02:53:23,480
Good evening, Council.

2001
02:53:23,940 --> 02:53:26,640
Last week, the International Court of Justice

2002
02:53:26,640 --> 02:53:35,760
rule that Israel's settlements and occupation of the West Bank and Gaza strip, both regions

2003
02:53:35,760 --> 02:53:43,680
of Palestine, are illegal under international law, so not only is Israel not allowed to

2004
02:53:43,680 --> 02:53:48,680
wage this genocide against the Palestinian people in the Gaza strip, but they're actually

2005
02:53:48,680 --> 02:53:54,760
not even allowed to confine Palestinians in the way that they are and restrict their food

2006
02:53:54,760 --> 02:54:01,360
and aid, not to mention that the over 40,000 confirmed Palestinians killed numbers likely

2007
02:54:01,360 --> 02:54:07,480
far more is mostly women and children and that there's currently a polio outbreak.

2008
02:54:07,760 --> 02:54:12,000
This is not even, it's reaching the point where it's not even just the concern of Palestinians

2009
02:54:12,000 --> 02:54:18,420
like there's actually a polio epidemic happening in the midst of a genocide where we're going

2010
02:54:18,420 --> 02:54:23,800
to see not just the amount of people that have already been killed as a result of bombs,

2011
02:54:23,800 --> 02:54:29,720
but the long-term impact of what Israel is doing here is absolutely grotesque and illegal.

2012
02:54:31,140 --> 02:54:36,440
Resolution is a very easy thing to bring forward over 100 communities across the country,

2013
02:54:36,560 --> 02:54:44,300
have passed ceasefire resolutions that's according to NPR. I think it's fair to say that this

2014
02:54:44,300 --> 02:54:48,960
is a atrocity that we can stand on the right side of history. Sam Marcus can make itself

2015
02:54:48,960 --> 02:54:57,880
of a good, unrecorded given what the United States is currently complicit in, and it's really

2016
02:54:57,880 --> 02:54:58,660
just a bare minimum.

2017
02:54:59,060 --> 02:54:59,960
I mean, others...

2018
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:26,300
The other cities have passed resolutions that go so far as to divest from certain contracts or relations with companies that are directly complicit in Israel's occupation and genocide of Palestinians. So, I think it's only fair and quite easy to say that we could easily put a resolution at least on the agenda. Give us a vote. Let us actually feel like a democracy.

2019
02:55:26,300 --> 02:55:32,360
and really have a discussion about this issue because the way things stand, it's horrific,

2020
02:55:32,860 --> 02:55:36,200
over nine months of seeing a genocide before a very eyes.

2021
02:55:36,640 --> 02:55:39,360
You know, if you want to ask yourself, what would you have done during the Holocaust,

2022
02:55:39,980 --> 02:55:45,420
or the Armenian genocide, or any other genocide that's happened during our history, you're

2023
02:55:45,420 --> 02:55:46,240
doing it right now.

2024
02:55:46,640 --> 02:55:53,340
You have a platform that you can use to make a statement that will stay on the record that

2025
02:55:53,340 --> 02:55:54,660
that will show that you stand for humanity,

2026
02:55:54,940 --> 02:55:55,960
that you stand for human rights,

2027
02:55:56,560 --> 02:55:57,940
that you respect international law,

2028
02:55:58,100 --> 02:55:59,360
and that you want to see that Sam Marcos

2029
02:55:59,900 --> 02:56:02,340
doesn't have a bad reputation for itself

2030
02:56:02,340 --> 02:56:03,480
for the way that is treated

2031
02:56:04,440 --> 02:56:06,240
both the dehumanization of Palestinians,

2032
02:56:06,940 --> 02:56:07,940
some of which I know personally

2033
02:56:07,940 --> 02:56:09,780
that have family members that have been killed

2034
02:56:09,780 --> 02:56:10,320
in the West Bank,

2035
02:56:10,840 --> 02:56:15,920
and as well as just basic human rights here and abroad,

2036
02:56:16,140 --> 02:56:20,780
because what's global is local, thank you.

2037
02:56:20,780 --> 02:56:22,120
Thank you, Justin.

2038
02:56:22,560 --> 02:56:24,420
Christina, who is up next?

2039
02:56:34,550 --> 02:56:35,490
Mayor Rebecca Jones.

2040
02:56:36,110 --> 02:56:41,290
I'm trying to understand how you could go on social media and show sympathy for a convicted

2041
02:56:41,290 --> 02:56:47,410
felon who has sexually harassed multiple women and has said many, many racist remarks.

2042
02:56:48,250 --> 02:56:49,930
I'm sure no one asked you to do that.

2043
02:56:50,450 --> 02:56:55,430
However, multiple people have asked you to show sympathy and stand up against the wrongful

2044
02:56:55,430 --> 02:56:59,290
murder of more than 30,000 innocent civilians.

2045
02:57:00,790 --> 02:57:02,590
And yet you have nothing to say.

2046
02:57:03,090 --> 02:57:07,390
You continue to show blatant disrespect and how much you do not support minorities,

2047
02:57:07,710 --> 02:57:09,570
and I'm wondering if you're aware of it.

2048
02:57:10,410 --> 02:57:13,850
Do you know how discriminatory you have been and are being?

2049
02:57:14,990 --> 02:57:20,010
You are in a position of power with so many privileges and the fact that you won't perform

2050
02:57:20,010 --> 02:57:25,170
the simplest act of putting a resolution for an immediate and permanent ceasefire in the

2051
02:57:25,170 --> 02:57:27,010
agenda is grotesque.

2052
02:57:27,250 --> 02:57:31,770
I agree with the previous comment made that you should step down from your role as mayor.

2053
02:57:32,590 --> 02:57:36,730
I think your viewpoints and skills could be better used for maybe structural development

2054
02:57:36,730 --> 02:57:43,730
or something, but I don't think you have a safe option as someone that is supposed to

2055
02:57:43,730 --> 02:57:45,490
look after a diverse group of people.

2056
02:57:46,130 --> 02:57:53,530
Please reflect on the choices you make as community leaders and see how they are ripping at the

2057
02:57:53,530 --> 02:57:56,090
of your perfect little San Marcos dystopia.

2058
02:57:58,140 --> 02:57:58,860
Thank you, Christina.

2059
02:57:59,360 --> 02:58:01,900
Okay, moving on to report, Sandag.

2060
02:58:02,620 --> 02:58:08,920
Our last meeting, we actually talked about the Port of Entry,

2061
02:58:09,200 --> 02:58:12,980
the State Route 11, Otay, Mesa, East Port of Entry,

2062
02:58:12,980 --> 02:58:13,620
and the agreements.

2063
02:58:14,300 --> 02:58:16,260
We did end up approving those.

2064
02:58:16,620 --> 02:58:19,060
It's going to be quite good for the region

2065
02:58:20,000 --> 02:58:22,820
because we are going to be moving forward

2066
02:58:22,820 --> 02:58:29,100
in all of the trade that comes across from Mexico to the United States is really

2067
02:58:29,100 --> 02:58:37,920
important for us to continue to keep moving that along. It's going to be, well,

2068
02:58:38,160 --> 02:58:42,220
it's under construction now, but anyway, so it's the first agreement of its kind,

2069
02:58:42,220 --> 02:58:47,120
which is good. We also spoke about the annual audit plan and moving forward the

2070
02:58:47,120 --> 02:58:50,940
2025 plan and all of the different audits that are going to end up

2071
02:58:50,940 --> 02:58:55,180
happening, which are also good for the organization as a whole.

2072
02:58:56,000 --> 02:59:01,360
And then we had a closed session that was about potential

2073
02:59:01,360 --> 02:59:03,140
litigation, and that was about it.

2074
02:59:03,860 --> 02:59:04,820
Did I miss anything?

2075
02:59:05,420 --> 02:59:06,300
Councilmember Musgrove?

2076
02:59:06,400 --> 02:59:07,260
I think you have it all mayor.

2077
02:59:07,600 --> 02:59:08,480
OK, all right.

2078
02:59:08,600 --> 02:59:11,420
Moving on to League of California cities, Councilmember Musgrove.

2079
02:59:11,540 --> 02:59:12,260
We meet next month.

2080
02:59:12,600 --> 02:59:13,260
Oh, next month.

2081
02:59:13,440 --> 02:59:14,900
Oh, and Sandeg is also Friday.

2082
02:59:16,580 --> 02:59:19,280
North County Transit District, Deputy Mayor Jenkins.

2083
02:59:20,260 --> 02:59:30,140
We met last week, I believe, and we really had our regular business items, but we really

2084
02:59:30,140 --> 02:59:36,440
had one main topic, and that was we had three individuals come from Sandeg, including

2085
02:59:36,440 --> 02:59:46,880
the new CEO, and they discussed the big topic about realigning the railroad tracks off

2086
02:59:46,880 --> 02:59:55,380
the Delmar Bluffs, as some people know, there's been a notice of preparation that has gone

2087
02:59:55,380 --> 02:59:58,780
out of the draft EIR report.

2088
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:29,980
Which included three potential alignments. And there's nothing definite that it'll be one of those three. It could be something else. But it has stirred quite a bit of conversation. And so just a few things that were brought up from staff throughout the conversation. We have to remember that NCTD is the owner of the rail

2089
03:00:29,980 --> 03:00:36,120
railroad right away. We are also designated as a rail common carrier.

2090
03:00:38,180 --> 03:00:40,120
And so a couple

2091
03:00:40,120 --> 03:00:45,460
other facts I won't discuss all of the items, but a couple other facts that came up is

2092
03:00:45,460 --> 03:00:52,100
the Surface Transportation Board, which is federal. We'll have a role in approving the

2093
03:00:52,100 --> 03:01:03,920
construction and they also want Sandeg to consider the potential impacts of each alignment.

2094
03:01:04,500 --> 03:01:12,280
A couple other points to make we have to also consider the impact of this realignment

2095
03:01:12,280 --> 03:01:19,260
on the coaster, the Amtrak Pacific surf liner and BNSF railway because of their freight

2096
03:01:19,260 --> 03:01:20,020
operations.

2097
03:01:20,020 --> 03:01:24,120
And so we have a responsibility to them also.

2098
03:01:24,820 --> 03:01:29,640
There's also questions going on about the realignment

2099
03:01:29,640 --> 03:01:35,640
who is going to control the operational aspects

2100
03:01:35,640 --> 03:01:37,220
of that after construction.

2101
03:01:40,500 --> 03:01:44,440
And if there's a tunnel, which is likely to be,

2102
03:01:44,920 --> 03:01:49,620
there's issues with ventilation and control systems

2103
03:01:49,620 --> 03:01:50,460
and that sort of thing.

2104
03:01:50,700 --> 03:01:54,140
So, again, there's just a lot of discussion going on.

2105
03:01:54,260 --> 03:02:00,880
There's nothing definite at this point, but North County Transit is going to be significantly

2106
03:02:00,880 --> 03:02:07,680
involved in the discussions along the way, and we have to watch out for our partners

2107
03:02:07,680 --> 03:02:11,440
and those that use the rail.

2108
03:02:12,440 --> 03:02:20,840
One of the impacts of each alignment that has to be decided is the travel times and how

2109
03:02:20,840 --> 03:02:28,360
much they might change because we can't increase the travel times for Amtrak and BNSF.

2110
03:02:28,640 --> 03:02:36,880
So there's a lot of issues going on besides, yes, the tracks need to come off of Delmar Bluffs

2111
03:02:36,880 --> 03:02:41,380
area, but there's a lot of consequences as to where they're going to be, so there'll

2112
03:02:41,380 --> 03:02:47,340
be a lot of discussions about it, a lot of meetings, a lot of arguing, I'm sure.

2113
03:02:48,100 --> 03:02:54,340
I did ask the question, so tell us realistically, is this really going to be done by 2035?

2114
03:02:56,720 --> 03:03:03,300
And I think we all know that's not going to happen, so that's another situation everybody

2115
03:03:03,300 --> 03:03:04,180
has to deal with.

2116
03:03:04,180 --> 03:03:08,960
They're promoting that date, but they pretty much have said that's not going to happen.

2117
03:03:09,300 --> 03:03:11,040
I would say it's definitely impossible.

2118
03:03:11,240 --> 03:03:11,360
Yeah.

2119
03:03:11,860 --> 03:03:20,840
And the other thing that was brought up by multiple people was the fact that depending on which alignment,

2120
03:03:21,460 --> 03:03:33,000
there are significant amount of properties including people's residential homes that will probably have to go through some sort of imminent domain process.

2121
03:03:33,000 --> 03:03:38,680
So there's a lot of external factors there, and as we all know, with eminent domain,

2122
03:03:40,220 --> 03:03:44,220
that can hold up a project, especially when you're talking about hundreds.

2123
03:03:44,760 --> 03:03:46,620
They don't even know how many homes.

2124
03:03:47,220 --> 03:03:48,080
They can't give a number.

2125
03:03:48,500 --> 03:03:52,400
No, and not to mention that they actually would dig under some of them, and we don't even

2126
03:03:52,400 --> 03:03:53,820
know the health impacts of that.

2127
03:03:54,080 --> 03:03:54,240
Right.

2128
03:03:54,480 --> 03:04:02,360
So it's a continuing topic, but we were pleased that they came and gave a report, and NCTD

2129
03:04:02,360 --> 03:04:05,260
We will be heavily involved with those discussions.

2130
03:04:06,240 --> 03:04:07,560
All right, thank you, Deputy Mayor.

2131
03:04:08,620 --> 03:04:13,040
No North County Dispatch, Councilmember Nunez had to leave a little early.

2132
03:04:13,500 --> 03:04:15,880
Clean Energy Alliance, Councilmember Musgrove.

2133
03:04:15,980 --> 03:04:16,840
We meet next month.

2134
03:04:17,560 --> 03:04:20,880
Okay, City Council Business Visits.

2135
03:04:22,210 --> 03:04:23,660
Does someone have a business visit?

2136
03:04:24,200 --> 03:04:24,320
Yes.

2137
03:04:25,320 --> 03:04:30,300
Chief Baron joined the economic development team and myself down at 100 industries.

2138
03:04:30,300 --> 03:04:34,900
They're down on our business park area, off-diamond, and LaCostometto's area.

2139
03:04:35,880 --> 03:04:39,540
We have a good script here, so I'm going to read from it because it pretty much highlights

2140
03:04:39,540 --> 03:04:39,940
everything.

2141
03:04:40,680 --> 03:04:44,780
So Hunter Industries is still a family-owned business and is the city's largest private

2142
03:04:44,780 --> 03:04:45,300
employer.

2143
03:04:46,080 --> 03:04:51,220
In the 1950s, Ed Hunter created a water-based system and created a company that he called

2144
03:04:51,220 --> 03:04:52,160
the Moistomatic.

2145
03:04:53,180 --> 03:04:59,380
He worked for Toro at the time, or excuse me, his company was acquired by Toro, and they

2146
03:04:59,380 --> 03:04:59,980
he used his product.

2147
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:29,420
Product to help diversify their product line. When he joined their team in the 70s, it solidified a presence in San Marcos by operating or rather opening a remote, Toro research and development lab. By 81, his non-compete contract was up with Toro, he started his own irrigation company, Hunter Industries, focusing on a new line of products derived from plastics. So Toro, at that time, they were focusing on metal-based irrigation systems and he thought plastics would be a better way to go. By 83,

2148
03:05:29,420 --> 03:05:35,020
Hutter introduced their proprietary PGP gear driven rotor and that's using the pressure

2149
03:05:35,020 --> 03:05:41,460
from the water to actually cause a rotation on the output for the water coming up through

2150
03:05:41,460 --> 03:05:46,220
the lines and it changed the industry forever and its product offering is now referred to

2151
03:05:46,220 --> 03:05:52,200
as the rotor revolution. By 85 the demand for the PGP grew so much and Hutter opened international

2152
03:05:52,820 --> 03:05:57,940
distribution channels in Australia and Europe and by 94 Hutter's catalog grew to include

2153
03:05:57,940 --> 03:06:04,600
a wide variety of products, including long-distance rotors, sprays, valves, and controllers, and I

2154
03:06:04,600 --> 03:06:11,400
would say probably all of the golf courses in our area use 100 industries larger scale irrigation

2155
03:06:11,400 --> 03:06:19,240
systems. These are large. About the size of a microwave oven almost with the mechanisms that are

2156
03:06:19,240 --> 03:06:27,860
involved in extremely high water pressures to get the reach. Still under the leadership of the

2157
03:06:27,860 --> 03:06:31,580
They now have four facilities in Mexico, one in Florida and, of course, the President

2158
03:06:31,580 --> 03:06:34,360
Sam Marcos, where they have their global headquarters.

2159
03:06:35,080 --> 03:06:39,440
They do export all around the country, rather than around the world.

2160
03:06:39,840 --> 03:06:41,700
The tour of their campus is fantastic.

2161
03:06:42,100 --> 03:06:47,000
They have entire rooms dedicated to presenting what their products would look like.

2162
03:06:47,280 --> 03:06:49,400
Not so much with irrigation, but with their lighting systems.

2163
03:06:50,000 --> 03:06:57,780
They have theaters to offer presentations and people coming in from a lot, you know, desert

2164
03:06:57,780 --> 03:07:02,980
areas in the Middle East that come by to say, hey, we want to develop this, but we can get the

2165
03:07:02,980 --> 03:07:06,760
water in, but we need to be able to get it out to start growing. So they show them what they

2166
03:07:06,760 --> 03:07:12,740
can do with their product line. Their engineers and automation team work and design all product lines

2167
03:07:12,740 --> 03:07:17,740
in San Marcos. Most of the products that go out internationally, wherever they're built, come into

2168
03:07:17,740 --> 03:07:23,080
San Marcos for final packaging and distribution. They work to vertically integrate by manufacturing

2169
03:07:23,080 --> 03:07:29,460
manufacturing springs, injections, metal components, and after COVID, they now manufacture 60% of the metal components.

2170
03:07:29,660 --> 03:07:36,480
So in addition to the plastics, and they've really kind of been at the forefront of the injection molding for the small parts,

2171
03:07:37,060 --> 03:07:41,040
they actually have a machine shop now where they produce all their own brass, and the scrap brass gets

2172
03:07:41,040 --> 03:07:50,900
sent to a recycler where it's melted down and formed back into the brass ingots and returned back to 100 to be used to get for more components.

2173
03:07:52,100 --> 03:07:57,000
Their process was highlighted and show how it's made, and they have a focus on environmental

2174
03:07:57,000 --> 03:08:01,960
sustainability and they work to recycle plastics, metal, and create water efficient products.

2175
03:08:02,500 --> 03:08:07,680
They've increased solar power, their rooftops are phenomenal, to generate a significant amount

2176
03:08:07,680 --> 03:08:13,260
of energy to subsidize their usage and allow for gas cogeneration if the power goes out and

2177
03:08:13,260 --> 03:08:16,720
they generate so much, they resale power back to SDG&E.

2178
03:08:18,080 --> 03:08:24,800
The last common here is their valued community partner and provide high quality, well-paying career opportunities.

2179
03:08:24,800 --> 03:08:34,300
They are hiring right now, skilled, unskilled labor, engineering, just a variety of positions, staff positions, front office.

2180
03:08:35,980 --> 03:08:45,540
And for those of us that have active engagement in the city, you can't go anywhere where there isn't a fundraiser for a nonprofit without seeing 100 industries.

2181
03:08:45,540 --> 03:09:15,300
as one of the primary sponsors, they're just completely immersed in this community to help support the community because they know that as part of their sustainability, one of the things that caught our eye, the Chief Baron and I were looking at this as we're walking and from one building to another, you know, if you're looking at a company that builds irrigation systems, we saw a lot of water on the sidewalks and going through the gutters and they actually pointed it out to us that where their facility is located,

2182
03:09:15,300 --> 03:09:21,520
It sits above an underground water, effectively an aquifer, so they get seep that comes up from out of the ground.

2183
03:09:22,220 --> 03:09:29,120
And their entire area that they're landscaping and they have a very large area that they have set up that goes by the creek.

2184
03:09:29,720 --> 03:09:35,820
Everything is irrigated through well water, so they don't use any portable water anywhere within their facilities other than for drinking.

2185
03:09:36,620 --> 03:09:42,480
Just a fantastic group of people, very friendly, we didn't see half of what they have to offer, but

2186
03:09:42,480 --> 03:09:48,340
If you get the opportunity to go down, they'll be worth it, and again, they are hiring right now.

2187
03:09:48,460 --> 03:09:53,320
I made a joke, hey, I'll be looking for jobs for anybody, and this yet we're hiring.

2188
03:09:53,520 --> 03:09:58,460
So if you can go online to 100 industries, you'll find their HR site, and maybe find a job.

2189
03:10:00,050 --> 03:10:29,930
I think they're one of our largest or the largest private employer in our city. The first item mayor, hunter industries, familial, business, and the city's largest private employer. Hey, the university is actually the public largest. So they said university school district colleges, but other than that, it goes to hunter. Okay, San Marcos Creek project. Yes, thank you Madam Mayor. We continue to finish up the landscaping in the project and

2190
03:10:29,930 --> 03:10:32,330
And a very close to finalizing it.

2191
03:10:32,990 --> 03:10:38,730
I saw someone out there working the other day in planting plants and moving dirt around on these slopes.

2192
03:10:39,070 --> 03:10:39,790
So that was good.

2193
03:10:40,290 --> 03:10:42,370
Yes, looks like they're putting the finishing touches.

2194
03:10:42,970 --> 03:10:44,030
Okay, anything else?

2195
03:10:44,150 --> 03:10:44,210
Yes.

2196
03:10:44,470 --> 03:10:45,230
I have a question on the creek.

2197
03:10:45,930 --> 03:10:51,130
This is a conversation that Deputy Mayor Jenkins and I had during our briefing with Michelle.

2198
03:10:52,150 --> 03:10:56,830
As we get, you know, we're really close now to completion and going to be doing a ribbon cutting here soon.

2199
03:10:56,830 --> 03:10:59,390
and do we need to agenda is this item every meeting?

2200
03:10:59,990 --> 03:11:01,470
Is it time maybe we take it off?

2201
03:11:02,150 --> 03:11:03,770
Any thoughts on that from my colleagues?

2202
03:11:06,900 --> 03:11:07,960
How about this?

2203
03:11:08,240 --> 03:11:09,900
How about we remove it?

2204
03:11:10,040 --> 03:11:11,460
And then if you feel the burning need

2205
03:11:11,460 --> 03:11:14,460
to update us on something, you could just update us.

2206
03:11:14,540 --> 03:11:15,320
So I'm speaker slip.

2207
03:11:15,580 --> 03:11:16,020
I don't know.

2208
03:11:16,320 --> 03:11:17,060
That sounds good.

2209
03:11:17,440 --> 03:11:17,700
All right.

2210
03:11:17,920 --> 03:11:19,380
With a speaker slip or no speaker slip?

2211
03:11:20,020 --> 03:11:22,440
No speaker slip, she's our city manager,

2212
03:11:22,680 --> 03:11:24,180
she's our CEO of our company.

2213
03:11:24,440 --> 03:11:26,240
No, we don't need a speaker slip.

2214
03:11:26,940 --> 03:11:28,820
Michelle gets to speak anytime she'd like.

2215
03:11:29,600 --> 03:11:32,820
All right okay all right with that this meeting is adjourned

2216
03:12:23,880 --> 03:12:25,180
Thank you very much.

2217
03:12:25,300 --> 03:12:26,900
Thank you very much.

2218
03:12:27,340 --> 03:12:27,540
Thank you.