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Okay, we've got you. Thank you.

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All right, I call this regularly meeting and planning zoning commission to order on Wednesday, January 13th, 2026 at 6 p.m.

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May we have a roll call, please?

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Sure, can. Will you make it? Sure.

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We're Michelle Burluson. Here.

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David Case. Here.

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We can go see him. Here. We're ahead, done. Here.

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Amy Minks. Here.

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David Spell. Here, we're right here.

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We have a call.

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I had on my schedule today that this would be over by eight, but it looks like we're here much longer than that.

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So I want to ask everybody to please sign us for cell phones that

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commission may only discuss I was posted on it's nice agenda, all the

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anchors you forward to the staff, the commission was strive to ensure

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the meetings are conducted in a courteous manner and an atmosphere

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free of intimidation, defamation, personal and souls profanity or

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threats of violence.

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This now brings us a citizen comment period, we have John Mayberry,

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Michael Wayland, David Swank, Jose de Zano, if you please make

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away the podium,

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this sir, we have three minutes.

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Good evening, Chair, commissioners, John Mayberry, the applicant for the Data Center Project at 904 Francis Harris Lane.

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I want to speak specifically about jobs.

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We'll kind of jobs.

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This project creates who fills them and why their impact extends well beyond the construction site.

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This project is expected to generate approximately 1,200 skilled construction jobs over several years.

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These are not temporary one-off positions.

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This is sustained phase construction, requiring electricians, linemen,

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HVAC technicians, controlled specialists, concrete crews, project managers,

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over an extended build period.

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At full buildout permanent onsite staff is estimated at 50 jobs,

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whose roles span highly skilled technical positions,

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such as critical systems, technicians, and network operations,

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as well as many more security maintenance and facilities operations workers

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that would be employed contractually.

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But the most important point is who does this work?

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That's an reconstruction in operations where I heavily on licensed skilled trades, particularly

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electrical workers.

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These projects are designed to be staffed locally, because local labor reduces risk, improves

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response times, and builds long-term operational knowledge.

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That means real opportunities for local electricians, apprentices, and technicians to work

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on some of the most complex electrical infrastructure in the state.

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This kind of project is career defining, working on high-voltage substations, redundant power

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systems and mission critical infrastructure,

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accelerate experience requirements and opens the door

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to master electrician licensure,

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supervisory roles, and long-term at that advancement.

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These are resume building projects

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that raise earning potential for decades,

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not just for the duration of construction.

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Beyond direct jobs, there is a significant layer

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of ancillary and supplier employment.

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Data centers depend on local vendors from materials,

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logistics, equipment servicing, security services,

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landscaping, and ongoing maintenance.

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these dollars circulate locally supporting small businesses and regional suppliers year after year.

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Finally, there's the opportunity this creates for education and workforce pipelines.

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Projects like this open the door for partnerships with the School District and Texas State.

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For internships and technical training to apply an engineering IT facility management and energy systems coursework.

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Data Centers increasingly serve as real-world laboratories for power management, cooling systems, and digital infrastructure, exactly the kind of disciplines that Texas State teaches.

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Data Center for Structure doesn't just support servers, it enables advanced manufacturing, life sciences, financial services, logistics technology, and software companies that require reliable power and connectivity.

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For a city-like San Marcos, that infrastructure raises the floor for economic development and opens the door for business development within the city and region.

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I expect we will be hearing a lot more tonight from local voices who this work matters to very much.

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Thank you.

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Thank you Mr. Mayberry.

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Michael Wailing.

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Thank you.

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Michael Wailing.

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100 Congress lost from Texas.

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It passed meetings.

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We spent a lot of time walking through technical details and we're always available to do that again.

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But tonight I want to focus on one main point.

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We showed up.

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We listened and we put real enforceable commitments into this project, not just promises.

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In your backup, you'll see a restrictive covenant that reflects direct feedback from planning and zoning, city council, staff and residents.

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That covenant runs with the land, meeting, meaning it's binding not just on the current owner, but on any future owner or operator.

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And those commitments are meaningful.

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It cuts the approved water usage for this property in half.

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It requires stormwater performance 10% better than code.

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It limits impervious cover below that of what L I zoning would otherwise allow.

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It sets a flat 75 decibel noise limit in all times, which is better than code.

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And it commits the project to pursuing lead certification, which we have already registered for.

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So these are not minimum standards. They are above code protections that are written directly into a legally binding document.

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Now I want to address an enforcement because that's where some concerns are raised last time here.

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As a city, a city attorney can confirm, this covenant is enforceable by injunctive relief.

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That means violations are not handled through warning letters or fines.

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They are addressed through immediate court-ordered compliance.

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Operationally, that is the strongest enforcement tool available for a data center.

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An injunction could mean forced equipment changes, suspension of operations, or shut down

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of certain systems.

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That kind of uncertainty is unacceptable in this industry.

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These facilities serve hospitals, utilities, public safety systems, and enterprise networks.

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So compliance with the RC is not optional.

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It is mandatory.

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Compliance is engineered into the design and operation of the facility from day one.

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And importantly, this level of enforceability only exists because this project is inside the city limits.

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Subject to this covenant and city authority.

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Not out in the ATJ where none of these protections would apply.

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This project won't stress city emergency services, park systems or street maintenance.

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It's not in the floodplain or in a residential area.

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Instead, it will generate long-term revenue to support city services while operating under tighter restrictions than city code requires.

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So when we talk about accountability, this is not about trust, it's about the law and operational

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reality.

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We've done the work, we've put in real commitments, these commitments are on paper, and we're

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asking for your support for a project that is both highly regulated and highly beneficial

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to the city.

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Thank you, and obviously we're all here to answer more questions.

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Thank you.

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Yes, there we have three minutes.

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Yes.

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Davis, Mike Dallas, Texas, my background is primarily in the Electric Utility Industry for the

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last 35 years served as engineering operations as well as CEO for many of those years as well

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multiple utilities.

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I want to address electricity used directly because a lot of what's been said about data

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centers and the grid does not reflect how the Texas electric system actually works.

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First and most importantly, this project will not increase electric rates for residents.

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Data centers are classified as high load factor customers, meaning they use power steadily

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in sharp peaks. In Texas, grid stress and price volatility are driven by peak demand,

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scarcity, not by steady predictable usage. In fact, predictable demand improves forecasting,

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improves dispatch efficiency and supports long-term planning. From a utility standpoint,

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that kind of load is easier, not harder to serve. Second, this project does not reduce

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availability for residents or businesses. In Texas, large new loads are required to fund the

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infrastructure needed to serve them. That typically includes new or expanded subsations, redundant

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high voltage feeds, relay protection, coordinated with ERCOT and transmission upgrades. All that

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infrastructure is paid for by the developer, not by ratepayers, and it becomes part of the broader

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electric system that future growth can rely on.

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In other words, growth pays.

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That's how the Texas grid is designed to work. As someone with more than thirty-five years of energy utility, I can say this clearly, a well-planned data center builds out a tremendous amount of high capacity, high quality infrastructure that both the utility and the community benefit from long after construction is complete. It also provides stable, reliable demand, which is incredibly important for long-term system planning and race stability. And it's important to be precise about responsibility here.

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Interconnection approval, system planning, and reliability standards are governed by a

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ricott, the Public Utility Commission, and the Electric Provider, not by the developer.

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This project only moves forward after those entities confirm that adequate capacity exist

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or is being built to serve it safely and reliably.

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So the conclusion is straightforward and supported by how the grid is actually structured.

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This project does not burden the electric system.

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It strengthens it by funding infrastructure and proving predictability and expanding long-term capacity all at private expense.

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Thank you for your time.

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Thank you, sir.

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Hello, ma'am.

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I'm Jose Lusano.

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And I live here in the city of Samarcos.

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So I know there's a lot of big arguments which what's better if it's the single-family development or the data center.

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And what I do want to point out is that this property is located at a unique area where both resources needed which is water and power are available.

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This property is also located right at the edge of the city limits.

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The water provider is CCSUD, crystal clear, not the city as a mark was, which means that if an opportunity arises,

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A data center could be built right next door using the exact same resources and the CD would receive zero benefit out of it.

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The accounting has fewer regulations when it comes to building permits.

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The CD, on the other hand, reviews, projectings, much more greater detail starting from the building permit from some water and anything related to environmental.

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So I have read the restrict the covenant and it includes the following requires plus whatever

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the CD requires already.

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They put restrictions on water, which is great.

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They also put storm water 10% more retention than what the CD requires to make sure that

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there is no flooding with the property neighbors.

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They are also requiring TCQ rules to be treated at 80% total suspended solids, which is not

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required in this area and is not required by the county either.

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and it's also pursuing lead certification and their compliance with the no-slable

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ornaments from the city. So from my perspective, this approach offers the best of both worlds.

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The developers are going above and beyond by adding restrictions through this

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covenant to address any environmental concerns while at the same time the

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city gains a significant expansion of its tax base. That's it. Thank you guys.

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Thank you, Mr. Lezano.

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Going forward, if we miss anybody, we will bring the names up at the end, so I don't

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want to think anybody is going to be overlooked if you're not here at this moment.

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We will keep going in order.

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We have Jennifer Lindsay, Cares Blackstone, Patrick Blackstone, and Mike Martin.

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Chairman, I may just, we will quick ask everyone online if you're not speaker, I haven't

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been called on if you can please mute your mics and cut your video until we call on you.

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Appreciate that.

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Thank you.

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And we have three minutes and it's time starts when you start speaking and say your name.

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Jennifer Lindsay, 312 Valley Acres Drive, New Bronsils, Hayes County.

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Good evening.

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I'm here to speak out against agenda items 4 and 5, and to persuade members to vote no on these items.

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On October 15, 2024, the Samarcus City Council adopted a comprehensive plan that established the goals and vision for the future of Samarcus.

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Over the next 20 to 30 years, this document required years of diligent thought by experts

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and community members to develop.

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A guiding principle set forth in the comprehensive plan labeled strategic and complementary

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states, Samarkis strives to ensure the development adds to the greater whole of the community,

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and that the long-term impacts of development are considered in short-term decision-making.

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I do not see how P&Z members can reconcile this principle with documented reports showing

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the devastating impacts to people, water, and power grid resources by data centers.

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The existing preferred scenario, conservation cluster, identifies areas where development

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would be discouraged over the life of the comprehensive plant, and what development that

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as occurred within the conservation and reservation areas.

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Should be low impact to the natural environment by using a variety of development techniques and strategies.

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Again, I do not see how P&C members can reconcile these statements with these two proposed PSAs when they run completely contrary to each other.

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Highlander LLC received accommodation for the 136 acres with a PSA already.

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This acreage was changed from conservation cluster to CD2.5 to build single family homes

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on.

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Not being happy with that business decision does not mean Sam Marcus City staff, council members,

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P&Z members, or community members must bear the burden of correcting it for him.

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Concern of our people living next to a power plant is understandable, but if people choose to buy homes there, they make a choice based on knowing there is a power plant there.

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A decision sum of current residents were never fortunate to be granted as we already lived out there before the power plant.

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If you, yes, for these agenda items, four and five, you will be creating a hub of heavy industry, a domino effect.

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It's your job to implement the comprehensive plan and to adhere to its guiding principles.

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Even the 2025 strategic plan states implement the comprehensive plan.

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Engage residents protect neighborhoods natural, cultural, and historic resources.

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Residents have been engaged in saying no to this development and requested PSAs.

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Vote no for your community and your city.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Ms. Lindsey.

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Wait, please.

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Okay.

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I can do it all night long.

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So I ask that you please be respectful out there,

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keep the clapping to the minimum,

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and please allow the people here to speak.

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You have me three minutes, and please state your name.

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Hi, my name is Karis Blackson.

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I have been a Hayes County resident, my entire life,

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and I am completely against the Clapper's AI data center

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being built in San Francisco.

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I'm very concerned about the noise and air pollution

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the state of center will bring as well as the extensive water usage needed for cooling

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the servers. I am very concerned that these issues along with the many others that come

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with the state of center will harm the city of St. Marcus and other cities. I understand that

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many aspects, the construction of the state of center, things have already begun and hands up

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and tied, but I hope that this zoning change will be denied and the land being developed now

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can remain a conservation land to help preserve as much of the St. Marcus I have grown up in.

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Thank you, Ms. Baxter.

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Hello, I'm Mike Martin.

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I want the first thank you guys and all of you all that you do.

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They're from San Marcos.

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It's so amazing.

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It's an amazing thing to do.

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But I'm having the speech film,

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some of that high accurate read memory for me in opposition to this.

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Thank you, Mr. Martin.

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Did we have Patrick Blackstone?

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Sir, if you please come forward.

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I'm reading on Mr. Martin's behalf.

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Good, I apologize, I'm so sorry.

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It's okay.

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Good evening.

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I've lived in and around San Marcos since I came to college here in 1965

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and taught school for 50 years, 35 plus in San Marcos.

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It is my hometown.

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I am one of the neighbors of the proposed data center

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and it is my home of 25 years.

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I want to go on the record that I am truly against to the proposed data center for obvious reasons.

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The environmental effect of it would be devastating, devastating to my place, my home, and all of the neighbors around it.

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The environmental effects of an astronomically large plant would be catastrophic to the environment and the people living anywhere near it.

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By the heat, it would create the stress it would put on our water supply, the aquifer, and the stress it would put on our electrical power.

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I can't understand why the city would approve and annex a plant that basically does not benefit the community, and that the neighbors disapprove of.

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Thank you.

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You cannot apologize for that.

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So if you just date your name, you got three minutes.

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Good evening.

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My name is Patrick Blackstone.

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I've been a Samarkis resident for 11 years.

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And I would like to say that I am not in favor of the construction of the A.A.

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Identisator, Data Center, and Samarkis.

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Thank you for your time.

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Thank you for your time.

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If we could have Tory Martin, Lydia Rodriguez, Luke Craft, and Highett

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Cronfell, QUR, UNFUL, I apologize.

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Tory Martin, 13-0 on your pick road, New Bromwell's Texas, Hayes County. Once again, I am here to speak against the data center on tonight's agenda.

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The zoning conservation cluster states, development that does occur within conservation and reserve areas should be low impacts the natural environment.

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Buckle up because I'm going to talk fast because I have a lot to say as the immediate

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neighbor I am very educated in what it is like who live in this neighborhood. I can tell

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you we are ready to experience regular brownouts and our water should off monthly for hours

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at a time. From 18-wilers driving down our roads, breaking our pipes, resulting in receiving

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boil water notices to have to wait for the bacteria to leave our lines before we can resume

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our water consumption. This being said, Francis Harris wrote is not structurally

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down to stand the estimated 3 to 5 years, the weighted construction equipment on this road,

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resulting in more of the town's chalk dollars to constantly fixing the road. We are scared

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to not have water. Five metal three-store structures that will be a radiating heat are electricity

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bills will go up. Our units are going to be working harder and less efficiently than before

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because of the brownouts and costing us more money. I hate to think of what this will do to

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our livestock, which my neighbors and I all depend on financially. We are ready seeing a mysterious

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deaths in horses, sterile cattle in horses, not breeding, not producing calves, or foals,

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near-data centers. And when they breed, will they be developing properly in the womb,

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horses can hear heartbeat from four feet away. So yes, their behavior would change from hearing

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an industrial site being developed feet away from them, and will hear the frequencies we cannot daily.

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Will they become dangerous to ride? When I use them for jobs because of this, and obviously

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complete neglect to the wildlife that doesn't have much rural land less.

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Let's talk about flooding. It's not on the floodplain, but everything below that hilltop is.

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And all are ready to drain down on us on your creek road, which is all in the floodplain.

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But you cover that hilltop with 70% concrete. It's really going to come down into our homes and

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into our ponds that are livestock drink out of. And then I swim in our wildlife will be transporting

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from whatever is in their attention ponds to ours. And that's just some of the way. These forever

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chemicals are going to get into our property and our wells and our water and us and in our livestock and spread.

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It will not be confined to their 200 acres. They will bleed all over impacting the neighbors.

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We have heard many times in this room that conservation cluster is just a placeholder.

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My neighbors and I are not a placeholder. These are our homes, our ranches, and our livelihood.

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And most have been there for generations. We are not a placeholder for you to play with.

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We're agricultural, and we're raising your cattle that you depend on, you depend on a clean water and clean food.

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You cannot depend on a data center.

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Thank you, Ms. Martin.

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I'll do craft through six credit avenues, same work as Texas.

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I'd like to highlight some concerns raised in the previous meeting mainly the cost associated with this project.

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I'll be reading from some statistics source from the National Telecommunication and Information Administration,

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the Alliance for Affordable Energy and the International Energy Agency. According to the National

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Telecommunications and Information Administration, the need for data centers is expected to increase

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by 9% each year and so at least 2030. By 2035, data centers, US electricity demand is expected to

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double compared to today. In Louisiana, currently, the Alliance for Affordable Energy is challenging

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that is Louisiana data center, along with energy, Louisiana's bid to build three new gas

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power plants to support it.

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At the previous meeting, an issue was raised on how code would be enforced if the neighboring

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co-satua expand or broke their promise. I think many people here are scared. I think people

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are fearful of change, especially such rapid change.

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According to the International Energy Agency, the US accounted for the largest share of global

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data center electricity consumption in 2024 at 45%.

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People in favor of the state of center have argued that Mayberry offers a better solution

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than those in Louisiana, in Tennessee, in Virginia and across the country.

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But so those who say, there won't be more after Mayberry, there will be.

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This is a watershed moment for Sandmark is because if one day the center is built, there will be more

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Especially when our state and federal government offer incredible tax cuts

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For data center of which the cost falls on the taxpayers, I'm urging this committee to reconsider

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there is much more value in this land. Thank you.

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Thank you, spacecraft.

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I outcome full, 16-0-4-old, Rancho 12.

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For months we have been coming to advocate for our town and quality of life. Since our calls have

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been falling on mostly willfully deaf ears, I come to you with your own handbook

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values to point out the many reasons of ODE against the data center is a vote in favor of the existing strategic plan you all released in 2025.

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There are five goals of the strategic plan I will address each goal and the related outcome to make my points.

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Quality of life and sense of place, outcome A.

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Out the gate, outcome A of our first goal is negated by our ongoing discussion and retaining this proposal.

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To amend the comprehensive plan and the outline it provided within a year and a half of its tenure,

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shows a blatant lack of commitment to this goal by the staff, management and the majority of the council of the city.

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Outcome B is to engage residents.

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We have been engaged in promoting our own sense of belonging while being misled by city staff and other members of council

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that this proposal would bring us benefits.

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A continued relationship with a party who continues to ignore and minimize feedback and put an engagement is not a healthy one.

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Are you truly following the strategic plan?

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Two, economic vitality.

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Outcome A, state's little utilize the city's comprehensive plan and other master plans as guarding principles.

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Is this really what's taking place when you're so quick to consider making exceptions for one special interest?

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Is this truly your intention when you're not asking the hard questions?

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advocating for your constituents, ensuring their future quality of life and only basing your

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hope on thin promises of potential financial gain while not taking into account the devastating

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financial, ecological, and infrastructural consequences of this decision.

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This will further drive the wedge of financial disparity in our town.

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Are you truly honoring the strategic plan?

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Three, public safety, core services, and fiscal excellence, to collaborate to prioritize

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an enhanced public safety.

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This experience isn't building trust with our city, if anything this prolonged and drawn-out

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experience has lessened trust in our community. Staff has not only accommodated, but at

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time seem to support the changing narrative and goals of this ill-defined data center. While

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hundreds of citizens have repeatedly continued to come out, express themselves with facts and

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backup to support their arguments, most of you all have sat up their willfully ignorant

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and unwilling to change your thinking or truly think for yourselves.

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P.J.M. interconnection in the largest U.S. grid operator that serves over 65 million people

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across 13 states. Projects that it will be a full six gigawatts short of its reliability

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requirements in 2027 due to the increased demand of data centers. Just last week the

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Austin American statesmen reported that a new analysis written by the Office's City Manager

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found that data centers have the potential to overwhelm the city system given they need more

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power, then, can possibly deliver, be delivered with current infrastructure.

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Are you taking the strategic plan into account?

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For mobility and connectivity, outcome C. Have you seen how many trips it takes to build

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a new data center? Do you think our small town and country roads can take the wear and

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tear that a project of this magnitude would require?

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There's more.

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Listen to us please.

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Thank you.

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Lydia?

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Lydia?

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Please just stay here.

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Lydia Rodriguez.

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Good evening.

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My name is Lydia Rodriguez.

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A third generation ranch owner.

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I'm here to speak in opposition to the proposed data center on Francis Harris.

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Sam Marcus is a community defined by its neighborhoods.

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It's natural resources and it's responsibility to future generations and this proposal threatens all three of them first of first off water

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Central Texas is facing an increasing water drought risk and a water insecurity a

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Provena project that adds major industrial water vans is reckless these data centers consume millions of gallons of water

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Once water is gone or degraded, we can't get it back

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Second, there is the issue of land use and compatibility.

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Francis Harris Lane is not an industrial corridor.

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It is surrounded by homes, families, and rural character that people move to preserve.

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A data center brings massive buildings, constant mechanical noise, substations,

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bathtub generators, heavy truck traffic, and around the plant operations.

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Residents will deal with noise from cooling systems, generator.

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Increased traffic on roads not designed for it and the visual light of warehouse scale buildings. Property values and the peaceful enjoyment of homes are at risk.

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Also, a private corporation can benefit while offering very few permanent jobs in return, which leads to my next point. The economic argument does not hold up.

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Data centers employ very few people and long-term strain on public resources.

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San Marquish should prioritize development that provides real jobs, support local families,

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and align with our comprehensive plan. Not projects that extract value while given little back.

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Finally, this is about who we are as a city. San Marquish has long-priced itself

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on environmental stewardship, thoughtful growth, and a community engagement.

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I'm proving this data center on Francis Harris Lane with contradict those values.

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Growth is inevitable, but how and where we grow is a choice.

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I urge you to listen to the residents who live here, who drink the water, who raise their families here,

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and who live with consequences long after developers move on.

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I'm asking to please deny this proposal and protect the characters, resources, and future of sandwiches.

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Thank you for your time.

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Thank you, Ms. Rodriguez.

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We now have Charles Secting, Jeremy Hendrix, Cainin Kennedy, Jimmy Neville, and Colt Taylor.

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Tell me when to start.

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Sir, after you say anemia, three minutes.

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Thank you.

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Charles Secting, SOECH, T-I-N-G, and I live at 107 Oaks Shadow,

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which is just a joining the E.T.J.M. Sandmarkers.

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But I've been here 75 years, so other than Mike Martin,

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I may be the oldest person here.

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I have been here long enough to know that things are going to change.

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Nothing we can do to stop that.

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But what we have now is, and you've all asked to be on this commission.

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Nobody put a gun to your head and said, you've got to be on it.

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You chose to be on it, and you have to make hard decisions.

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And what are the decisions we have to decide is,

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what the sandmark is going to continue to exist?

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Because anybody says we're not short of water.

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Anybody says we're not in dire danger of not having water

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is not dealing with reality.

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I remember when the Blanco River several years ago had seven or eight feet of it.

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It may have three inches right now.

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I remember when Jacob's well flowed, it no longer flows.

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I took my swimming lessons at age six at city park, and that water is down considerably.

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What I'm asking you to do is the commissioners, you're going to have to make some hard

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decisions.

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It comes with that.

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I was a state democratic party chairman.

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I had to make hard decisions and sometimes it didn't like it, but in this case, there

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There's no reason to approve something.

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My family moved out there.

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Secting road is about two miles from this venue in the 1850s.

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So I know a little bit about this area.

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Still go out there and some of my relatives,

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steal little signs off the road from time to time.

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But it's a beautiful place that does not need to be disturbed.

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Sandmarkers, we don't have the water.

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We don't have the water.

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Weak sit there and say we have the water.

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Say wish we had the water.

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We're 240 miles from the Tualan Desert, we're a semi-aird place to start with at some point in time

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the commission has to just say and you're going to be able to vote against this just based upon

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the rules and the way the rules are to be applied. But I'm just asking you to think about when you

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get up and look at your children, are you grandchildren? Are you going to leave them a place that

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It looks like this here at desert.

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You can leave them something good decent like we had at one point.

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Maybe we'll get back someday when we stop taking advantage of these natural springs we have,

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which are here to give us life, here to give us water, here to give us the life that we enjoy.

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Not help some big, and I'm sorry, Mr. May very, may be a very nice man.

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I don't know him from Adam, but at the end of the day, at the end of the day, what he's

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wanting to do for Hayes County and San Marcos is not good for anybody but Mr. Mayberry and

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his investors and shareholders. That's all I have, but I ask you to vote your conscience

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and do the right thing by the citizens of San Marcos who count on you to do the right things.

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Thank you. Thank you, sir.

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Okay, I was going to wait until after I said this in comment

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for this remark, I'm about to make. We are now going to have a minute, three strike rule.

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We do need everybody out there to be courteous. Please be respectful of people who are speaking.

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Please ask you to please control your claps. Please control your applause. It's probably the more appropriate way to say that

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Johnny Hendrix, Katie Kennedy, Jimmy Neville, Coach Taylor

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I'm sorry if you please stand here name, you have three minutes. Jeremy Hendrix.

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Thank you very much. Good evening, Mayor council members. My name is Jeremy Hendrix. I'm here on behalf of the Labor's International Union of North America. We're representing the skilled construction workers who build, maintain, and really keep central Texas moving. I'm an Austin. I'm proudly cover all of Texas, for Launa. And I'm here tonight to respectfully ask for your vote and favor of items four and five. I'm sporting these items of this project because it represents

447
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:46,750
It's real opportunities for working people in San Marcos, not just for short-term jobs, but

448
00:35:46,750 --> 00:35:47,930
long-term careers.

449
00:35:48,970 --> 00:35:52,790
These are the kind of jobs that allow families to put down roots to plan for the future

450
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:55,530
and stay part of this community that they help build.

451
00:35:56,070 --> 00:35:57,850
Loan members know what good jobs look like.

452
00:35:58,430 --> 00:36:03,490
They mean family supporting wages, they mean health insurance, and real dignity that comes

453
00:36:03,490 --> 00:36:06,090
a steady work, a apprenticeship, and training.

454
00:36:07,150 --> 00:36:11,970
That opens the doors for local workers to create true career paths in the trades.

455
00:36:12,490 --> 00:36:16,870
These are not temporary jobs, their opportunities to build a real life for workers.

456
00:36:17,570 --> 00:36:20,950
And when workers are in good wages, we know the whole community benefits.

457
00:36:21,170 --> 00:36:27,070
They support local businesses, strengthen neighborhoods, and help keep San Marcos a place where families can work,

458
00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:32,810
can live, can thrive, and can raise their children, and keep their children living here for generations to come.

459
00:36:32,810 --> 00:36:47,210
Item 4 and 5 are a chance to bring these opportunities to more people in this community, a chance to invest in the workers that live here and the workers that will live here and in future generations and in families and in a long-term strength of this community.

460
00:36:47,890 --> 00:36:56,410
So I respectfully ask all of you to please vote in favor items 4 and 5 tonight because this project will be good for this community and good for workers.

461
00:36:56,750 --> 00:36:58,070
Thank you for your time and consideration.

462
00:36:58,570 --> 00:36:59,430
Thank you, sir.

463
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:07,010
Oh, and youngs has come up.

464
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:12,120
Good evening to Bill.

465
00:37:13,660 --> 00:37:14,020
Good evening.

466
00:37:14,460 --> 00:37:17,140
Good evening, and thank you commissioners for the opportunity to speak tonight, as I said,

467
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:21,600
my name is Jim Neville, and I'm your fellow members of the Laborers International Union of North America.

468
00:37:22,340 --> 00:37:28,520
We represent local to 95 covering San Marcos and thousands of hardworking men and women across the state of Texas.

469
00:37:29,100 --> 00:37:30,160
I want to be very clear.

470
00:37:30,980 --> 00:37:37,140
We are here in support of rezoning the land on Francis Harris Lane for this new data center project.

471
00:37:37,900 --> 00:37:44,400
Projects like this bring real value, tax revenue that strengthen cities, opportunities for local businesses,

472
00:37:45,100 --> 00:37:51,060
and most importantly, good jobs that build real careers, and not just any jobs.

473
00:37:52,340 --> 00:37:57,120
This developer has made a written commitment to work with Union Labor on this project.

474
00:37:57,820 --> 00:38:02,940
That means the highest safety standards, the most skilled workforce in the industry,

475
00:38:02,940 --> 00:38:10,100
Fair wages, health insurance, and a path for workers to support their families and retire with dignity.

476
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,260
I know this personally. I came up through the Labor's apprenticeship program.

477
00:38:15,940 --> 00:38:23,100
I worked on projects just like this one for nine years to provide for my family before being trusted into a leadership role.

478
00:38:24,140 --> 00:38:30,620
And before that, my father fed our family for 30 years and is now drawing a retirement due to projects just like this.

479
00:38:30,620 --> 00:38:38,800
These are the kind of jobs that put food on tables that give kids stability that turn hard work into a future.

480
00:38:40,100 --> 00:38:46,160
We've already begun working with the developer and we've also reached out to city officials to start building real partnerships with Sam Marcus.

481
00:38:47,060 --> 00:38:51,240
Our goal is simple to connect local residents to these careers.

482
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:58,360
From experience tradespeople and this community to young men and women graduating from local schools, we're looking for real opportunities.

483
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:03,500
We have hundreds of members building data centers across Texas and thousands across the country,

484
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:12,480
and everywhere this model is used with strong safety standards into union labor, communities, and families benefit.

485
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:18,160
Sandmark is deserves the same opportunity, because the reality is this.

486
00:39:18,660 --> 00:39:24,060
If projects like this aren't welcomed, they don't just disappear. They go somewhere else.

487
00:39:24,060 --> 00:39:32,120
And with them goes the jobs, the training opportunities, and the chance for local hardworking families to build a stable future.

488
00:39:33,140 --> 00:39:42,980
So tonight we respectfully ask you, support rezoning this property, continue the conversation, and allow the project to move forward in a way that benefits this community.

489
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:49,160
Sam Marcos has a real opportunity here to invest in its people, to strengthen its workforce,

490
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,880
and to create lasting economic stability for families.

491
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,020
We ask that you make the most of it.

492
00:39:55,220 --> 00:39:55,700
Thank you.

493
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:56,360
Thank you.

494
00:40:02,900 --> 00:40:24,200
Colt Taylor, I work for the Labor's Union, and I support this data center project because it would create good paying jobs and also through our partnership program we look forward to work with a community, bringing in, in recruit and train local workers for long-term careers and I'd support the project. Thank you.

495
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:32,880
things are now in Manuel go to Randy Harris Michael Hernandez and Bobby Levinsky and

496
00:40:51,370 --> 00:40:51,570
any

497
00:40:51,570 --> 00:40:54,430
such order you can just kind of the podium with Statue Namibule, Structure 3 Man.

498
00:40:54,750 --> 00:40:58,950
Yeah, we got it. Jumping on line. I mean I think it's coming in.

499
00:40:59,050 --> 00:41:03,490
Randall Harris with the Laborers International Union of North America and I'm here to strongly

500
00:41:03,490 --> 00:41:09,910
support this project. Encourage all of you to strong support this project. I understand and some

501
00:41:09,910 --> 00:41:14,910
folks have said, you've got some tough decisions to make. This is, there's a lot of passion

502
00:41:14,910 --> 00:41:22,450
on both sides of this. However, what these kinds of opportunities do are not just one

503
00:41:22,450 --> 00:41:29,450
off opportunities. These are literally generational changing opportunities for communities.

504
00:41:30,290 --> 00:41:39,710
For the next 23, 40, 50 years workers and residents of this community will have an opportunity

505
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:48,010
to get into a skilled trade, to develop a career, to buy a home, to stay here, to build a family,

506
00:41:48,730 --> 00:41:55,910
to volunteer at the schools, to give back, to be a part of this community every single day.

507
00:41:57,650 --> 00:42:01,630
And there's a lot of folks out there. I recognize that that what I'm saying here,

508
00:42:01,650 --> 00:42:05,350
especially for that large group out there, is not the most popular thing in the world.

509
00:42:05,350 --> 00:42:13,110
But, again, these tough decisions, this is a community of over 90,000, I guess the question for

510
00:42:13,110 --> 00:42:20,010
this body is, are you going to be swayed by this vocal minority or the silent majority?

511
00:42:21,370 --> 00:42:25,310
Over 90,000 residents of this community, and there's a few hundred out there, we represent

512
00:42:25,310 --> 00:42:33,850
over 5,000 workers in the state of Texas, over 500 in and around San Marcos in this part of the

513
00:42:33,850 --> 00:42:39,290
We encourage you strongly to support this project to go out, do the right thing, support

514
00:42:39,290 --> 00:42:41,830
family, support training, support good careers.

515
00:42:42,350 --> 00:42:43,050
Thank you.

516
00:42:43,370 --> 00:42:43,890
Thank you.

517
00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:51,070
Good evening.

518
00:42:51,950 --> 00:42:56,570
My name is Manuel Guadoy, I'm a member of a Labor's Union Local 1095.

519
00:42:57,510 --> 00:43:01,470
I'm here tonight in support of this data center project.

520
00:43:02,330 --> 00:43:05,990
I built an entire career on projects just like this.

521
00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:13,130
Union construction work is how I provide for my family it's how I was able to buy a home here

522
00:43:13,950 --> 00:43:22,350
It's how I stayed it's how I stayed work stayed at work. I get health insurance and the future

523
00:43:22,350 --> 00:43:24,050
I can plan around

524
00:43:24,590 --> 00:43:30,070
These are long-term careers. They give people stability. They give family security

525
00:43:30,730 --> 00:43:35,630
Knowing that this developer has committed in writing to work with a union labor

526
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:43,270
matters a lot to people like me, because it means work will be safe, professional, and don't

527
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:43,530
write,

528
00:43:46,030 --> 00:43:48,350
and that local workers will have a real opportunity.

529
00:43:49,350 --> 00:43:52,370
Please support this rezoning, allow this project forward.

530
00:43:53,110 --> 00:43:53,750
Thank you very much.

531
00:43:54,570 --> 00:43:54,990
Thank you, sir.

532
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:08,900
Mike Ornandas, Chandler, Arizona, Tucson, Arizona, Lewis and Maine, Saint Joseph Indiana,

533
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,240
I'm sorry, weren't in Virginia, College Station, Texas.

534
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:16,240
You know what all of these have in common?

535
00:44:16,820 --> 00:44:20,880
They're all part of a growing list of cities that have voted to keep data centers out of their communities.

536
00:44:21,540 --> 00:44:25,140
All of these have had committees and city councils actively listening to their constituents

537
00:44:25,140 --> 00:44:27,500
and ensuring that all of their concerns are being heard.

538
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,440
Here we are in the same position that we were in last March.

539
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,720
Voicing our opposition to allowing a data center to be built within the city limits of same markets

540
00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:38,260
and next to our neighbors who rely on their land and their property for their livelihood

541
00:44:38,260 --> 00:44:42,340
and for their survival. Are you listening to us? Can you hear us?

542
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:47,380
Since last year we've learned very little about the proposed data center going in off of Francis

543
00:44:47,380 --> 00:44:52,340
Haris Lane, and ultimately this is because the developer has been under an NDA all of this time.

544
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,820
Once he did get permission to disclose his buyer, we held a town hall that provided us with

545
00:44:56,820 --> 00:44:59,960
zero answers and that buyer got spooked and went back into hiding.

546
00:45:00,500 --> 00:45:09,940
The lack of transparency throughout it all has been appalling. How can anyone even consider approval without any knowledge of what they're proving and to whom?

547
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:17,900
I will tell you what we have learned. We have learned from the City Utilities Director, Tyler, I can't pronounce this last time, so I'm not going to butcher it.

548
00:45:18,020 --> 00:45:25,640
That this proposed data center will use roughly two and a half times the amount of power that the entire city of Sam Marcus uses per day on peak power usage days.

549
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:32,240
Imagine that, one cluster of five buildings using the same power as two and a half cities of 70,000 people.

550
00:45:32,940 --> 00:45:36,700
We know that heavy usage raises bills even though experts say it won't.

551
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,460
We've learned that with power comes water usage.

552
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,660
An average of about 12,000 gallons per megawatt use.

553
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:47,620
That is in addition to whatever number of gallons are going to tell the system that they'll use in their closed loop system,

554
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:49,560
which has not been approved by crystal clear.

555
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,640
In addition, we learned from the North American Electric Reliability Corporation

556
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,420
and their yearly assessment published in November 2025 and Google it,

557
00:45:57,720 --> 00:46:00,820
that Texas and the ERC grid are labeled as an elevated risk.

558
00:46:01,260 --> 00:46:04,820
And Laman's terms, it means that the grid is more susceptible to failure even more so,

559
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:09,700
than the winter storm of 2021 due to the rising amount of data centers being built in the state of Texas.

560
00:46:10,540 --> 00:46:12,780
Tonight, you're going to hear a lot of information from a lot of citizens,

561
00:46:13,300 --> 00:46:17,200
citizens who have come out to every monthly meeting, PNZ and City Council since last March,

562
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,140
unlike all the laborers coming out of the woodwork for the first time, no offense.

563
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,400
I hope you are listening to us.

564
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,440
We are the ones that are doing the research and putting in the work to provide you with an influx of information.

565
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,920
You keep asking the developer for answers, but they're not the data center.

566
00:46:31,420 --> 00:46:33,940
They're giving you the same answers you got last year, where to differently.

567
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:35,780
They just see the color of money.

568
00:46:36,460 --> 00:46:40,040
Tory Abigail Jennifer married in all of the other concerned neighbors in citizens.

569
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,400
See the different type of green, the green of their land, their homes, and their lives.

570
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,960
You are on the right side of history ten months ago.

571
00:46:47,340 --> 00:46:49,740
Please stay that way so we can add same markets to the list of communities,

572
00:46:49,740 --> 00:46:54,960
communities exercising their voice. Thanks. Thank you Mr. Hernandez.

573
00:47:03,590 --> 00:47:08,890
My name is Bobby Levinsky, 248 Camaro Way, Simarko's Texas. I have 20 years of

574
00:47:08,890 --> 00:47:12,530
experience in land use policy and I have been an attorney in that space for the

575
00:47:12,530 --> 00:47:20,430
last 10 years. I object to the consideration of PSA 2513 and Zoning case 2513

576
00:47:20,430 --> 00:47:25,110
tonight on the grounds that they have not complied with the waiting period of the

577
00:47:25,110 --> 00:47:31,350
less than six months ago, the cases that you are scheduled to hear tonight were denied by the City Council,

578
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:36,510
both the preferred scenario amendment and the zoning change are the exact same cases.

579
00:47:37,150 --> 00:47:41,570
Neither of them should be on your agenda tonight without a request to wave the waiting periods.

580
00:47:42,450 --> 00:47:51,590
Section 2.3.4.1A requires a six month waiting period from the date of denial from any development application that was denied.

581
00:47:51,590 --> 00:47:59,330
Section 2.5.1.2.F requires a one-year waiting period for a zoning change that was either,

582
00:47:59,350 --> 00:48:08,070
this is really important, denied, or withdrawn of the same request to change by the applicant

583
00:48:08,070 --> 00:48:13,450
after the city council meeting, at which the change is to be considered has been called to order.

584
00:48:13,450 --> 00:48:20,890
that meeting was called to order, the zoning case should not be on your agenda tonight.

585
00:48:21,790 --> 00:48:26,570
With respect to the PSA, both the applicant and the staff memo indicate that because the

586
00:48:26,570 --> 00:48:33,810
rezoning case was not approved due to a failure to achieve a supermajorie vote, the application was not

587
00:48:33,810 --> 00:48:39,830
technically denied. That interpretation is very inconsistent with basic statutory construction

588
00:48:39,830 --> 00:48:46,490
In the absence of a statutory definition, court use the words common or nary meaning, meaning you just look at the dictionary.

589
00:48:47,130 --> 00:48:53,050
Mary Webster's dictionary defines denied as refuse to grant that occurred.

590
00:48:53,470 --> 00:48:59,730
This is consistent with the American Heritage Dictionary as well to decline to grant or allow refuse.

591
00:49:00,170 --> 00:49:07,830
There should be no dispute that the outcome of both of those items was refused and declined to be granted by the City Council.

592
00:49:07,830 --> 00:49:11,770
that's the entire reason the applicant resimitted these requests.

593
00:49:12,350 --> 00:49:17,830
The applicant and staff seem to be under the impression that the City Coads requires an affirmative vote to deny an application.

594
00:49:18,550 --> 00:49:20,590
However, that is not how the code is constructed.

595
00:49:21,170 --> 00:49:26,930
The code requires an affirmative vote of a super majority of the Council when the Planning Commission has didn't recommend a denial.

596
00:49:27,550 --> 00:49:34,650
The public hearing was held on the PSA and following the public hearing, the City Council refused or declined to approve the request.

597
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:36,030
It was therefore denied.

598
00:49:36,030 --> 00:49:42,790
The applicants probably aware of this weakness of the argument, which is why they argue that it wasn't denied per se, it just didn't become effective.

599
00:49:43,570 --> 00:49:46,350
That just doesn't, that's an absurd result that the courts would not accept.

600
00:49:46,870 --> 00:49:58,670
And I really would encourage this commission to use your authority to decide that that is a ground for denial for both of these requests because it does not comply with the waiting period.

601
00:49:59,130 --> 00:49:59,970
It is within your...

602
00:50:04,020 --> 00:50:11,740
I think it's within your right to grant it to a thought based off of the justice that I'm waiting for. Thank you.

603
00:50:11,740 --> 00:50:12,620
Thank you, Mr. Levinsky.

604
00:50:12,620 --> 00:50:23,140
We now have Maxfield Baker, Amy Camp, Saunders Drucker, Chad Bartling, Rocco Moses.

605
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:30,190
And you may come up in any order and please state your name and we got three minutes.

606
00:50:30,410 --> 00:50:30,750
Yes sir.

607
00:50:33,930 --> 00:50:36,090
I was already, I guess so.

608
00:50:37,950 --> 00:50:44,990
Hey, yeah, I'm Maxfield Baker, I sat in the seat and I also sat on city council and

609
00:50:45,510 --> 00:50:50,430
So it's hard to know what to say when people are a lot more eloquent than you and have

610
00:50:50,430 --> 00:50:53,730
like science and research and you know all that good stuff.

611
00:50:54,110 --> 00:50:59,070
I know some of you all voted against this before, really hope that you do it again.

612
00:50:59,730 --> 00:51:04,010
If you're worried about legal consequences, then just stay quiet and vote no, you have

613
00:51:04,010 --> 00:51:04,330
that right.

614
00:51:04,550 --> 00:51:08,470
We see people doing it all the time, not justify a single reason why they vote, they just vote

615
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:09,230
the right way.

616
00:51:10,450 --> 00:51:13,830
Also if you're worried about legal repercussions, the city's got you covered, right?

617
00:51:13,830 --> 00:51:17,270
That's what we pay into these administrative things for.

618
00:51:18,070 --> 00:51:21,210
It's not lost on me that this process took a long time,

619
00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:23,830
and in between the last time, and this time,

620
00:51:24,550 --> 00:51:27,210
it's very likely that some of you have been lobbied by this for Mayberry.

621
00:51:27,770 --> 00:51:30,450
Some of you have tried to lobby our community members through text messages,

622
00:51:31,010 --> 00:51:32,950
direct communications to tell us to back off,

623
00:51:33,150 --> 00:51:35,430
get a better understanding of it, meet me in private.

624
00:51:35,950 --> 00:51:37,870
Let's see if I can get you to understand what I'm saying, right?

625
00:51:38,890 --> 00:51:40,650
And that's kind of dirty. That's not great.

626
00:51:40,650 --> 00:51:43,150
We don't have a lobbying ordinance that stops that from happening.

627
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:48,650
So, I would ask you to ask each other because obviously you don't have to answer to us,

628
00:51:49,090 --> 00:51:51,870
but you would hope that you would respect your colleagues and answer them.

629
00:51:52,350 --> 00:51:53,670
Have you all been lobbied?

630
00:51:53,950 --> 00:51:58,510
Has city staff been lobbied by Mr. Mayberry, by these union folks out there.

631
00:51:59,490 --> 00:52:03,250
The injunction is kind of a misplaced thing.

632
00:52:03,590 --> 00:52:05,450
It's just the cost of doing business for them to stop.

633
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:10,610
And this isn't going to be a silver bullet for our budget.

634
00:52:11,150 --> 00:52:17,350
The reason our budget is in dire straits because we continue to let global extractive capitalists,

635
00:52:17,470 --> 00:52:22,090
blah, blah, blah, take money from our community and leave us on a pile of nothing except

636
00:52:22,090 --> 00:52:26,950
promises that we don't even know that they'll keep, especially with a state and federal government.

637
00:52:27,310 --> 00:52:29,050
They're just willing to put their boot on us at any point.

638
00:52:29,250 --> 00:52:33,650
We saw that when Governor Abbott threatened our ceasefire resolution, something that I know

639
00:52:33,650 --> 00:52:35,990
legal base to do.

640
00:52:36,730 --> 00:52:39,910
But there's no doubt in my mind that they're watching us at that level.

641
00:52:41,030 --> 00:52:43,290
And that they might too, trying to come after these restrictive

642
00:52:43,290 --> 00:52:45,110
covenants, they're promising you, yada, yada.

643
00:52:47,810 --> 00:52:49,890
Behind closed doors, it's also pretty clear

644
00:52:49,890 --> 00:52:52,730
that staff has been putting their own boot on your neck,

645
00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:55,650
reminding you, quote unquote, what your jobs are.

646
00:52:56,590 --> 00:52:57,470
You don't have to listen to them.

647
00:52:57,550 --> 00:52:59,550
Some of them don't want this because they think

648
00:52:59,550 --> 00:53:00,790
it's going to make their job easier.

649
00:53:01,470 --> 00:53:06,770
Some of it, one as a resume builder, and I know I have just a little bit left.

650
00:53:07,070 --> 00:53:10,370
It's nice that City Council has like the actual bar so you can see it.

651
00:53:10,750 --> 00:53:13,070
But everybody out there cheering and applauding, it's great.

652
00:53:13,150 --> 00:53:16,530
Snaps are better because you're eating into our own speaking time.

653
00:53:17,130 --> 00:53:21,090
Just, you know, we're as a community trying to get up here and talk, so love all the support

654
00:53:21,090 --> 00:53:25,490
definitely on your side, but just from a flow, we'll get through more of us if we all

655
00:53:25,490 --> 00:53:29,830
just kind of snapper fingers or do something, you know, the little jazz hands, all that's

656
00:53:29,830 --> 00:53:30,110
great.

657
00:53:31,570 --> 00:53:44,230
And again, it's not lost on us that we've been doing open records requests, right, so if you all don't want to be honest with your colleagues about the communications between you and outside agencies, expect an open records request. Thank you.

658
00:53:44,290 --> 00:53:44,930
Thank you, sir.

659
00:53:46,730 --> 00:53:48,670
Yeah, thank you. That's good.

660
00:53:50,590 --> 00:53:52,690
Please touch your name for your minutes, sir.

661
00:53:53,170 --> 00:53:57,110
Hi, Sauners Drucker. I'm a resident here in St. Markos. Thank you for letting me come and speak today.

662
00:53:57,110 --> 00:54:02,190
I'd also like to address that if they have not already been allowed to, there's a bunch of

663
00:54:02,190 --> 00:54:05,790
people who showed up at five o'clock expecting to be able to sign up to speak.

664
00:54:06,270 --> 00:54:10,190
They should be able to speak once all the people who signed up earlier can.

665
00:54:11,010 --> 00:54:15,490
Next, I'd like to say, we've been in this for a year, okay?

666
00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:18,270
But it's been back and forth.

667
00:54:18,490 --> 00:54:22,090
I've not prepared anything to talk today because I'm kind of tired of doing that.

668
00:54:22,690 --> 00:54:32,010
And I understand that a lot of their claims might make this proposal sound really good if the entire world was contained within this room.

669
00:54:32,070 --> 00:54:36,910
But it's not. If you go outside of this room, you'll see a few different things.

670
00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:41,030
One of them is that there are two different types of data center news headlines.

671
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:47,250
Either about towns fighting them, fighting tooth and nail to keep them out of their jurisdiction,

672
00:54:47,250 --> 00:54:52,830
or towns that have been destroyed by them and are now dealing with those negative repercussions.

673
00:54:53,830 --> 00:54:59,970
If you go outside of the room, you will find not a bunch of residential homes out there at nine.

674
00:55:01,660 --> 00:55:08,900
We'll find some undeveloped ranchland. And that's what it is now acting as a buffer between existing

675
00:55:08,900 --> 00:55:15,120
residences and the industrial area of the power plant. That power plant was put there against

676
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:21,940
those people's wish to meet a demand. This data center is now coming to try and parasite barnacle off

677
00:55:21,940 --> 00:55:29,840
of that area to grow the industrial zoning in that part of town. They've argued quite a few times before

678
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:37,300
that it's unethical to have these multi-family homes right next to an industrial area and then

679
00:55:37,300 --> 00:55:43,080
their argument is to expand the industrial area to be next to existing single-family homes.

680
00:55:43,540 --> 00:55:49,460
They are furthering the problem and planning to solve it. Next, you have a

681
00:55:50,980 --> 00:55:56,480
unenforceable restrictive covenant. You have a restrictive covenant that they are already planning

682
00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:02,840
break. I say that because I have right here a whole bunch of environmental violations from the

683
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:07,780
state of Virginia against Cyrus one, the company that backed out of their thing, but is probably

684
00:56:07,780 --> 00:56:16,420
still behind it, in which they repeatedly violate air and environmental assessments, not by going crazy

685
00:56:16,420 --> 00:56:21,780
over their limits or anything, but by building generators that they weren't permitted for before

686
00:56:21,780 --> 00:56:27,740
they had permits for them going a little bit above squeezing these regulations and factoring

687
00:56:27,740 --> 00:56:31,640
the fines and all of the things that you're going to do to them into their construction

688
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:38,540
costs. They have already accounted for whatever we're going to do whenever they violate

689
00:56:38,540 --> 00:56:44,360
their own confidence. There's evidence of them doing it for the past 14 years in Virginia and

690
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:51,760
New Jersey, likely that the company is going to do the same thing here. Secondly, any jobs in

691
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:56,940
jobs, I understand as much in union guys here, but honestly, construction jobs are not in short

692
00:56:56,940 --> 00:56:57,320
supply.

693
00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:58,320
Thank you.

694
00:56:58,360 --> 00:56:59,060
Thank you, sir.

695
00:57:03,780 --> 00:57:04,360
Rock O'Moses.

696
00:57:06,420 --> 00:57:08,120
Gentlemen, our earlier said watershed moment.

697
00:57:08,460 --> 00:57:13,080
I think that that is very, ever po, I think that these facilities, whenever you pull the

698
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:16,560
lens up a little bit, represent something that is happening across the country.

699
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:25,320
This is not isolated, and there is no way, these gentlemen, they all speak in favor of

700
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:34,400
The only people that speak in favor of these have fiscal interest directly in them, you know, and there's a playbook because if you've lens back a little bit

701
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:41,420
You look at how minutes of palies are worked over by people like this, and I don't you know you're looking at me, but it's it's a real thing

702
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,040
They follow a playbook

703
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,040
They initiate projects

704
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:53,380
Then they the the communities come out and they say please don't do this and then there's a stall process and they they wear people down

705
00:57:53,380 --> 00:58:00,740
And once they're embedded, and they can draw resources, and create noise problems, and create

706
00:58:00,740 --> 00:58:06,760
air pollution problems, and create drainage problems, and all of these myriad of issues

707
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:13,300
that come with these facilities, they're there, the electrical gentleman said, all the

708
00:58:13,300 --> 00:58:14,800
city can enforce these things.

709
00:58:14,900 --> 00:58:18,640
The city can't do anything once they're there, because they're already embedded.

710
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:20,840
They're parasitic by nature.

711
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,220
If that is what these facilities are.

712
00:58:24,340 --> 00:58:27,200
And as far as the Union people, there's lots of other jobs.

713
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,980
And the reality is that it also plays to the example

714
00:58:30,980 --> 00:58:33,460
of that the only people that support these projects

715
00:58:33,460 --> 00:58:36,960
have direct and personal fiscal interest in them.

716
00:58:37,420 --> 00:58:41,520
And so I share the emotions of everybody here,

717
00:58:41,580 --> 00:58:43,160
but it really is a watershed moment.

718
00:58:44,020 --> 00:58:48,860
Because the first one represents a huge marker,

719
00:58:48,860 --> 00:58:59,980
Because when it opens up floodgates, and it drains the resource that we, it's a, it's something

720
00:58:59,980 --> 00:59:07,860
to get very emotional about the, the water table, as it is, the process that these people

721
00:59:07,860 --> 00:59:16,720
can say that even suggesting usage rates at this scale is not absolutely detrimental in the

722
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:24,020
of a water table is, it's laughable, it's criminal in reality, but if you watch the track

723
00:59:24,020 --> 00:59:28,020
across the country of what these facilities do to the water table and the health of the people

724
00:59:28,020 --> 00:59:29,720
that live around them, it's tragic.

725
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:36,620
And it's tragic. So thank you. Thank you, Mr. Moses.

726
00:59:51,260 --> 00:59:57,420
Good evening. Ladies and gentlemen, the council, fellow citizens of San Marcus, my name is Chad Bartling.

727
00:59:58,240 --> 00:59:59,960
A son of this great suit.

728
01:00:01,340 --> 01:00:14,160
I can't imagine the weight that you all have on your shoulders to make this decision tonight. I want to say quickly, I respect the opposition and all their positions. They're well researched.

729
01:00:16,020 --> 01:00:23,000
I want to speak from a single perspective, and that's from a tradesman's perspective. I've lived and worked in this community for 46 years.

730
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:29,500
Sam Marcus Wrattler, class of 1998, for the bulk of their careers, my mom and dad both

731
01:00:29,500 --> 01:00:35,640
worked at St. Mark's Telephone, later became St. Mark's Telephone, and since my in-laws

732
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:40,920
under restaurant in this town for many years. This city in this community has been a blessing

733
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:47,300
and a joy to me. That's why I chose to base my electrical contracting company here back

734
01:00:47,300 --> 01:00:53,320
we opened in 2013. So to speak, my boots have been in this dirt for most of my life.

735
01:00:54,660 --> 01:00:57,180
As I said, I want to speak from a tradesman's perspective.

736
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:04,200
While it's true today, I own a company of 70 plus employees, it's based here in San

737
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:09,760
Marcus. I started out in the field putting my work boots on every day, putting on a

738
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:15,320
tool belt and fabricating things. And I'm proud to say and be able to drive around our city

739
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:19,560
and see many of the buildings and the businesses that help construct.

740
01:01:21,220 --> 01:01:30,560
Projects of this size type and scope cannot be understated in their value to the tradesmen and trades women of our city and our county.

741
01:01:31,700 --> 01:01:41,600
Projects like this data center with its size and expected duration and phasing will provide not only a long runway of job opportunity for those already in the trades.

742
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:53,780
But we'll also open the door for solid growth and opportunity for young men and women who are exploring opportunities in the traits for the first time, which by the way we're in dire shortage of.

743
01:01:54,660 --> 01:01:58,860
The truth is this and this has been mentioned before, this project will be built.

744
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:07,600
Now, depending on the outcome of tonight's vote, it may or may not be built here, but rest assured it will likely be constructed somewhere.

745
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:13,060
when it does, it will require a massive amount of labor resources in order to be able to execute.

746
01:02:13,260 --> 01:02:16,320
I speak from experience. Again, we are an electrical contractor.

747
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:23,700
We do have an opportunity as a city to support our tradesmen and women with this vote,

748
01:02:23,980 --> 01:02:29,140
with well-paying, dependable, safe, and most importantly, local work opportunities.

749
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,640
In addition, when an opportunity we have to support other small businesses,

750
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:40,680
as they support this labor force with ancillary services in goods during the construction of this project.

751
01:02:42,020 --> 01:02:44,940
So I ask the city and the ladies and gentlemen of the Planning and Sonning Commission

752
01:02:45,820 --> 01:02:51,340
to consider joining me in support of this initiative and to approve the project in San

753
01:02:51,340 --> 01:02:51,640
Marcus.

754
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:52,260
Thank you.

755
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:53,800
Thank you, sir.

756
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:58,660
I apologize about what I'm about to do.

757
01:03:00,460 --> 01:03:02,840
Avidas, senior to Thoskin,

758
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,700
Brett Harris, Aaron Brown, feel pleased coming to the podium.

759
01:03:23,690 --> 01:03:25,170
To your credit, you got closer than most.

760
01:03:25,330 --> 01:03:26,190
I appreciate that.

761
01:03:27,730 --> 01:03:27,970
All right.

762
01:03:28,530 --> 01:03:28,790
Hello.

763
01:03:28,950 --> 01:03:29,350
Good evening.

764
01:03:29,610 --> 01:03:30,670
Thank you all for your time.

765
01:03:31,250 --> 01:03:31,830
Here we are again.

766
01:03:32,250 --> 01:03:37,030
My name is Avedi Symerjabashi, and I'm a native of Central Texas, graduate of Texas State.

767
01:03:37,310 --> 01:03:41,630
And I've had a long and dedicated career, working in Habitat Conservation and Ecology.

768
01:03:41,630 --> 01:03:45,750
with much of it spent in and around Sam Marcus and Central Texas Hill Country.

769
01:03:46,650 --> 01:03:51,870
This unique sensitive part of the world means a lot to me and it obviously means a lot to you all

770
01:03:51,870 --> 01:03:54,190
as well as public servants and stewards.

771
01:03:54,790 --> 01:03:59,630
That common shared love of our community environment is why surely we must all agree once again

772
01:03:59,630 --> 01:04:03,810
that rezoning a residential and facility construction of the Mayberry Data Center

773
01:04:03,810 --> 01:04:08,690
represents a serious misuse of land and trusted to all of us as residents and stewards.

774
01:04:09,250 --> 01:04:11,170
which we've already agreed upon.

775
01:04:11,530 --> 01:04:15,890
Fundamentally, this project, the notion of further-scrined land to develop that beyond residential

776
01:04:15,890 --> 01:04:20,750
is a blood of public trust and a gross misallocation of fuel, land, energy, and water.

777
01:04:21,190 --> 01:04:24,070
At the most basic level, this seems to be a balance of costs.

778
01:04:26,050 --> 01:04:28,170
Costs we can afford and cost we can't.

779
01:04:28,370 --> 01:04:33,570
With a proposed 75 megawatt power usage for each of its buildings, representing nearly two

780
01:04:33,570 --> 01:04:37,870
times the amount of energy needed to power this entire city, the very notion of another

781
01:04:37,870 --> 01:04:42,210
and some of demand be offset by your constituents and residents as is the case with similar

782
01:04:42,210 --> 01:04:45,950
projects around the U.S. It's tantamount to a little more than financial exploitation.

783
01:04:47,330 --> 01:04:51,030
It's a bright estimated tax revenue and to add the bottom line of tech companies bloated

784
01:04:51,030 --> 01:04:55,290
pocketbook. The fact that this rezoning is up for debate again is a glaring evidence

785
01:04:55,290 --> 01:04:59,230
that the opinions of the public might matter less than the whims of the highest bidder

786
01:04:59,230 --> 01:04:59,590
in short.

787
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:29,880
For example, of questionable profits over real people. As much as I love to see the praises of her caught, and its glowing track record of efficiency and accountability, the facts remain that once more increasing energy demand of a grid, which still imperfectly makes half the far from natural gas, is one more track in a critical piece of infrastructure that has already failed Texans and this community multiple times, and will continue to do so at our greatest times of need. It's no secret then that the energy needs of this data center may take precedence over our own.

788
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:34,840
while we continue to offset the cost after having our own communities voice to be

789
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:36,780
underblind by those with the deepest pockets.

790
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:41,520
As citizens, the fact that we are having this conversation again to prevent the abuse of

791
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:46,560
our water, land and infrastructure to short-term thinking, and only serves to benefit those

792
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:50,080
with plenty at the top, and our own expense is beyond reproach.

793
01:05:50,540 --> 01:05:54,500
While the dangled problems of temporary construction support jobs and our faces with little

794
01:05:54,500 --> 01:05:58,920
regards to the future of water and power and central Texas, they pick our pockets and energy

795
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:04,960
and leave us to foot the cost and cover their mess when inevitably this whole project sucks us dry.

796
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:09,820
We said no once and last I check that's a complete sentence.

797
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:13,640
The construction of this money, but it shouldn't be our burden as previously agreed upon.

798
01:06:14,060 --> 01:06:14,860
Thank you for your time.

799
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:15,740
Thank you, sir.

800
01:06:24,130 --> 01:06:25,130
Hi guys, Brad Harris.

801
01:06:26,310 --> 01:06:31,990
I'm part of the small crowd that's outside that you all can't see that wraps around the building that they've mentioned about earlier.

802
01:06:33,350 --> 01:06:39,290
I'm a local guy. I've been here 14 years. My family lineage goes back to Edward Doby, part of

803
01:06:39,290 --> 01:06:43,670
whimperly. I'm here because I'm concerned about what's going on here. There's some things that

804
01:06:43,670 --> 01:06:48,710
other people brought up and obviously if you live here, you understand that we had to

805
01:06:48,710 --> 01:06:53,850
spend no apocalypse, power outages, we have drought and issues that we've had where we've

806
01:06:53,850 --> 01:06:59,150
had to restrict our water use. I asked you guys just, I think you guys also for listening

807
01:06:59,150 --> 01:07:01,530
to me stand here and babble to you guys,

808
01:07:01,630 --> 01:07:03,050
but these are all heartfelt concerns

809
01:07:03,050 --> 01:07:06,750
that we're all saying from our own experience living here.

810
01:07:06,950 --> 01:07:08,610
This is the community we care about, we love.

811
01:07:09,250 --> 01:07:11,850
There are a couple of things that we're not discussed,

812
01:07:12,810 --> 01:07:14,710
and these are some things that are off the top of my head

813
01:07:14,710 --> 01:07:16,130
that I wanted to bring up to your attention.

814
01:07:17,070 --> 01:07:21,050
If we have a data center here that we are going to be

815
01:07:21,050 --> 01:07:24,970
possibly building here, if it is approved through you guys,

816
01:07:25,210 --> 01:07:26,450
which I'm hoping to not.

817
01:07:26,450 --> 01:07:34,430
But the data center here, it opens up a real big potential for espionage to be focused on our community.

818
01:07:35,630 --> 01:07:40,670
One of the first things that people attack are data centers and our electrical source.

819
01:07:41,250 --> 01:07:44,850
If we have a electricity that's generated to be able to support this kind of deed,

820
01:07:45,710 --> 01:07:49,050
and if we don't, what are they going to do to correct that?

821
01:07:49,390 --> 01:07:55,310
We give them tax incentives and tax breaks to basically have a payment of taxes

822
01:07:55,310 --> 01:08:01,910
to find the infrastructure to build, but we don't necessarily get a payback for that because

823
01:08:01,910 --> 01:08:06,310
we're paying from our own taxes because the tax statements that they don't pay.

824
01:08:06,990 --> 01:08:11,770
I may be totally wrong about that, but as far as I understand how it works, if we have

825
01:08:11,770 --> 01:08:18,230
a lack of power supply to build to provide them, what may happen also eventually is what

826
01:08:18,230 --> 01:08:21,910
other communities are seeing that are in some of the petrochemical industry.

827
01:08:21,910 --> 01:08:45,750
There are things called PMSs, which is a portable modular, let's say sorry, but I don't think it's out there, it's basically a small modular reactor, a PMR, portable modular reactor, and these are small electrical sources because we know that our electrical systems are so unadept to build to provide power.

828
01:08:45,750 --> 01:08:51,770
So other corporations are actually looking at doing this to have reliable power.

829
01:08:52,290 --> 01:08:56,330
The other thing that I'm looking at is that we have technology that's being developed right now.

830
01:08:56,610 --> 01:09:01,510
This is actually antiquating what we're even thinking about implementing for this data center.

831
01:09:02,170 --> 01:09:08,490
We may not actually need to have something that scales go up inside and uses much water because of technology that is advancing all the time.

832
01:09:08,710 --> 01:09:14,170
We're going to take a warm match for things that are basically might be antiquated by the times they're completed.

833
01:09:14,810 --> 01:09:21,290
And jobs. Yeah, we might have some jobs to build a build these things. And if you're a union member, that's cool. You got a job.

834
01:09:21,650 --> 01:09:27,510
But the rest of us students and people that are lay people that are coming out of high school or whatever else in this community.

835
01:09:28,810 --> 01:09:30,750
Thanks guys. Appreciate it. Thank you, sir.

836
01:09:34,910 --> 01:09:41,590
Hey, y'all doing it today. I'm back. Aaron Brown, I'm a local Sam Marcus residents since 2015.

837
01:09:42,310 --> 01:09:42,750
technically.

838
01:09:44,970 --> 01:09:49,390
I actually was not prepared to speak to you tonight, but I'm going to speak to you

839
01:09:49,390 --> 01:09:53,990
because I've been against the status center from the start. We've already voted this down once,

840
01:09:54,610 --> 01:09:59,270
right? We've already forced it into a super majority of its city council once.

841
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:12,060
Why we're even back here? That's rules. Now, where do we go from here? The only cause, the only course you have from here, is the same course you had 10 months ago.

842
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:19,140
Bring it back up to city council with the city for majority vote and let city council say yes or no.

843
01:10:20,020 --> 01:10:26,740
Here's the points that everybody keeps bringing up. We're talking about jobs. Right now we're talking about short-term jobs. We're talking about building jobs.

844
01:10:26,740 --> 01:10:32,720
Yes, it is going to help these these men and women exponentially grow their cells throughout the coming years.

845
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:36,040
Is that going to keep sustainable jobs in San Marcos?

846
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:43,980
We don't know because we still have not gotten a decent figure on 50 or 100 jobs or 200 jobs.

847
01:10:44,820 --> 01:10:48,200
As far as I know, I'm coming back to this after a couple months off.

848
01:10:48,700 --> 01:10:51,080
So when we talk about jobs, are we really creating jobs?

849
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:56,920
maybe? Are we creating the high paying jobs that are needed in the sound? And maybe.

850
01:10:58,060 --> 01:11:02,520
When it comes down to it, it is up to y'all to decide whether we're going to look at the

851
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:09,060
finances of this versus what the city is telling you. Because this is the city out here.

852
01:11:09,740 --> 01:11:14,960
Yes, it is a lot of young folks. I agree. It is a lot of young folks and I normally don't

853
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:19,500
stand on the same side as many of the people out here. But I am right now because I believe

854
01:11:19,500 --> 01:11:23,780
this data center is wrong for St. Marcus. Thank you, sir.

855
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:28,520
Real quick, we'll go

856
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:36,540
cading, Kennedy. I might have missed you.

857
01:11:38,590 --> 01:11:39,950
Cading, Kennedy, if you want to go to the podium.

858
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:47,900
Okay, we'll switch over to your bed that's online right now and we'll come back and we'll let other people speak.

859
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:52,640
In the chambers. Chargers may note that the one person we had signed up online

860
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:58,660
As an appear to be on right now those that are on online now are signed up for the actual

861
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:06,100
The other the other items coming up for late. Okay, the data center when we go to the public hearing portions. Thank you any bells and the chambers which is speak

862
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:08,140
Man, would you like to speak?

863
01:12:12,650 --> 01:12:18,070
Well, you're here now. So let's just take your name and you got three minutes. Okay. Thank you. Yes, ma'am

864
01:12:18,070 --> 01:12:20,910
My name's Dean of Fleming. I'm a San Marcus resident

865
01:12:21,890 --> 01:12:26,530
Last month a letter was sent to Congress calling for a full nationwide moratorium

866
01:12:26,530 --> 01:12:29,150
on the approval and construction of data centers.

867
01:12:29,990 --> 01:12:33,710
The petition was signed by more than 230 national state

868
01:12:33,710 --> 01:12:36,550
and local organizations from across the country

869
01:12:36,550 --> 01:12:39,210
and called for full nationwide moratorium

870
01:12:39,210 --> 01:12:42,210
on the approval and construction of new data centers.

871
01:12:43,150 --> 01:12:46,710
The massive harms from AI data centers include enormous

872
01:12:46,710 --> 01:12:50,430
electricity consumption, unsustainable water consumption,

873
01:12:50,670 --> 01:12:53,870
and acceleration of climate change due to their reliance

874
01:12:53,870 --> 01:12:57,990
some fossil fuels, skyrocketing electricity costs,

875
01:12:58,670 --> 01:13:00,950
and extensive job losses.

876
01:13:01,310 --> 01:13:07,250
That's actually the ambition of artificial intelligence

877
01:13:07,250 --> 01:13:12,930
through efficiency to replace and to get rid of jobs

878
01:13:12,930 --> 01:13:14,970
and therefore increase their profits.

879
01:13:15,930 --> 01:13:18,170
In Texas, the signatories include,

880
01:13:18,970 --> 01:13:21,470
among others, climate conversation,

881
01:13:21,470 --> 01:13:25,810
and Brazilian county and Texas physicians for social responsibility.

882
01:13:27,850 --> 01:13:33,470
It is frustrating to see the relentless push the city is making towards pursuing this type of industry.

883
01:13:34,290 --> 01:13:38,170
It feels as if the city is not only indifferent to the voice of her citizens,

884
01:13:38,730 --> 01:13:45,750
but also detached from the entire socio-economic and environmental reality our world is facing.

885
01:13:45,750 --> 01:13:52,070
The presentations made by city staff have briefly talked about negligible

886
01:13:52,070 --> 01:13:59,090
concessions in restrictive covenants that do not address the core issues.

887
01:14:02,210 --> 01:14:08,390
The water consumption that is referred to is only on-site is ignoring the water

888
01:14:08,390 --> 01:14:20,710
energy nexus and most of the water consumption is through energy production or fracking to obtain the fossil fuels.

889
01:14:22,610 --> 01:14:30,330
People, I appreciate that people have a right to earn a living and the construction people that are here today,

890
01:14:30,330 --> 01:14:39,030
But Mr. Mayberry does not have any say over whether we use local construction or not, he's a real estate developer.

891
01:14:40,850 --> 01:14:46,950
Whoever is running the, whoever in charge of building a data center is not here today.

892
01:14:47,890 --> 01:14:54,470
So we do not know. Also data centers are moving towards modular construction some of them.

893
01:14:55,050 --> 01:14:59,970
That work modular is being thrown around to a lot, I heard it was being used in terms of people.

894
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:08,860
Electricity, generation, there are also SMR small modular reactors, which are pop-up nuclear reactors

895
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:15,640
that are being pursued, they're being perfected right now, and a lot of data centers, knowing

896
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:20,640
they cannot meet their energy needs, even through fossil fuels, are planning on going nuclear.

897
01:15:21,420 --> 01:15:23,320
Thank you. Thank you, ma'am.

898
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:30,840
I signed up to speak during public comment, but my name hasn't been common, called, so.

899
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:34,500
It's okay, it's okay.

900
01:15:34,860 --> 01:15:41,360
It's Abigail Lindsay, 308, Valley Acres Drive, New Bromphal's Texas, that is in Hayes County.

901
01:15:42,060 --> 01:15:45,380
I live about a mile as the crow flies from the site.

902
01:15:45,860 --> 01:15:47,620
I was not paid to be here.

903
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:53,440
It's become harder and harder to come up and say the same things about agenda items 4 and 5.

904
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:59,060
I feel at this point if you are not committed to voting against these items, nothing will persuade you.

905
01:15:59,060 --> 01:16:03,100
Last year, eight of you voted against the preferred scenario amendment and zoning change for

906
01:16:03,100 --> 01:16:04,880
904 of Francis Harris Lane.

907
01:16:05,420 --> 01:16:07,080
I will hope you will do the same tonight.

908
01:16:07,820 --> 01:16:11,700
The newest version of the Samarkis Comprehensive Plan was adopted in October 2024.

909
01:16:12,700 --> 01:16:17,180
The preferred scenario amendment and zoning request by Highlander began in November 2024.

910
01:16:18,020 --> 01:16:20,140
One month after the release of the Comprehensive Plan.

911
01:16:20,860 --> 01:16:24,800
Your job is to guide growth based on principles set forth in the Comprehensive

912
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:30,560
which is ensuring the conservation cluster category includes areas that should be held off on developing.

913
01:16:31,340 --> 01:16:41,030
Highland has received accommodation for 136 acres by PSA from conservation cluster to CD2.5 to build single family homes.

914
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:47,620
Not being happy with that business decision does not mean a year later our city staff, city council members,

915
01:16:47,620 --> 01:16:51,760
P&Z members in the community have to bear the burden of correcting it for him.

916
01:16:52,260 --> 01:16:56,680
Concern over people living next to a power plan is understandable, but at people chose

917
01:16:56,680 --> 01:17:00,020
to buy homes there, they are making a choice based on all available information.

918
01:17:00,420 --> 01:17:03,880
Current residents never had that option, we were already living there before the power plant

919
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:04,440
went in.

920
01:17:05,260 --> 01:17:09,400
I don't know how we can make it more obvious that we don't want this request to prove.

921
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:12,460
The city has no obligation to make this change.

922
01:17:12,980 --> 01:17:16,900
I assure you the money will come from other businesses that will not put such a burden

923
01:17:16,900 --> 01:17:21,020
on the residents. There's a new H.E.B. in a book he's coming which will bring in millions.

924
01:17:21,740 --> 01:17:25,340
The city will not see the full tax revenue potentially for at least three years from

925
01:17:25,340 --> 01:17:30,240
this project. How did the buildings depreciate? Also, whoever owns that land will protest

926
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:36,860
those taxes. Cyrus Run and San Antonio protest their taxes every year. The restrictive

927
01:17:36,860 --> 01:17:40,600
covenants is only as good as it is enforceable and there is still a lot of questions on

928
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:44,920
how and who will be enforcing it and how much money it will cost to city. With all this information

929
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:50,840
out there and so many of us speaking out against this, against items 4 and 5, please listen and vote against this.

930
01:17:52,060 --> 01:17:57,820
One thing I want to point out is that all of our electricity rates will go up and that is a fact.

931
01:17:58,300 --> 01:18:04,500
And anyone who says that it won't has been paid to say that or is out and out lying to you.

932
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:13,140
Cloudburst has broken ground and it's horrible. The security cameras and alarms that go off all the time

933
01:18:13,700 --> 01:18:18,360
because of the wildlife walking by, the land clearing has started, and I'm sick.

934
01:18:19,380 --> 01:18:22,580
It is devastating already what's happening across the road for me.

935
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:26,820
Don't make it ten times worth, ten times worth allowing another.

936
01:18:27,660 --> 01:18:31,140
Each and every day I drive by Cloud Burst, and I will be driving by Highlander,

937
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:33,040
to drive my son to school.

938
01:18:33,260 --> 01:18:37,380
And he's going to have to go by at least two data centers, maybe three, maybe four.

939
01:18:37,940 --> 01:18:42,300
Once was a beautiful land is just being destroyed and an alarming rate.

940
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:45,100
Clouders just already messed up on their permits,

941
01:18:45,700 --> 01:18:48,780
I've already reported them, and yet still nothing's been done.

942
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:51,480
Please don't allow another one to take place.

943
01:18:51,660 --> 01:18:53,400
If you don't believe me, please drive out there.

944
01:18:53,440 --> 01:18:54,980
You can look and see what they've done already.

945
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:56,300
It's horrible.

946
01:18:57,020 --> 01:18:59,960
Alarm's go off at two or three in the morning, wake us up,

947
01:19:00,300 --> 01:19:02,420
inside with AC on the windows closed.

948
01:19:02,700 --> 01:19:03,600
They don't care.

949
01:19:04,420 --> 01:19:05,560
There's been no communication.

950
01:19:06,140 --> 01:19:06,600
It's horrible.

951
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:08,060
And it's only going to get worse.

952
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:10,380
And there is a rumor that Claude Berser's bought more land.

953
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:11,980
And they plan to expand.

954
01:19:14,350 --> 01:19:15,410
Please don't do this.

955
01:19:15,630 --> 01:19:16,750
Y'all voted against it once.

956
01:19:16,790 --> 01:19:17,690
You can do it again.

957
01:19:18,550 --> 01:19:20,610
And once again, I wasn't paid to be here.

958
01:19:20,610 --> 01:19:22,590
And the people that are speaking for this,

959
01:19:22,890 --> 01:19:24,070
most of them have been paid.

960
01:19:25,390 --> 01:19:26,110
Thank you.

961
01:19:26,450 --> 01:19:27,150
Thank you, Ms. Lindsey.

962
01:19:27,590 --> 01:19:28,610
I checked our packet.

963
01:19:28,750 --> 01:19:29,910
Your name will be overlooked again.

964
01:19:30,170 --> 01:19:31,350
So thank you very much.

965
01:19:33,110 --> 01:19:35,570
Any of you else who has come to the podium, you may.

966
01:19:35,630 --> 01:19:36,610
Please just state your name.

967
01:19:36,710 --> 01:19:37,330
And we have three minutes.

968
01:19:37,330 --> 01:19:44,230
Thank you. Thank you for allowing public comment. I appreciate the chance to be heard.

969
01:19:44,870 --> 01:19:51,170
My name is Carmen Rumbout and I live in Senior Apartments on the South Stage Coach Trail.

970
01:19:51,910 --> 01:19:59,510
I'm not a wealthy, powerful member of the San Marcos community, but I hope that.

971
01:20:01,180 --> 01:20:25,600
How these data centers will affect me and others at my level is still of interest. I've heard some of the problems caused by data centers, that they're noisy. They create light pollution, use tremendous amounts of water and electricity, leading to scarcity and higher prices. They're not a real source of long-term jobs other than the building part.

972
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:28,960
And I'm glad that they're willing to use Union.

973
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:38,580
But I will focus on what doesn't seem so obvious other than those.

974
01:20:39,580 --> 01:20:43,780
These data centers are apparently driven by the AI bubble,

975
01:20:43,860 --> 01:20:49,280
the artificial intelligence push in the financial markets.

976
01:20:49,940 --> 01:20:52,340
I personally like the idea of AI.

977
01:20:52,340 --> 01:21:01,340
But, at this point in its development, it is an amorphous idea with speculative funding.

978
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:03,040
It's hot.

979
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:08,660
AI stocks have skyrocketed in recent years,

980
01:21:09,100 --> 01:21:13,340
a looming bubble that will burst like the dot coms of the 90s,

981
01:21:14,580 --> 01:21:15,300
if you are around.

982
01:21:16,220 --> 01:21:20,140
My hunch is that builders are starting

983
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:27,060
without complete payment that owners are in over their head and debt and that the expected

984
01:21:27,060 --> 01:21:33,380
results won't be known for at least another year. They will run out of cash flow and

985
01:21:33,380 --> 01:21:40,260
fund it by debt. In capitalism, the stock markets, in speculative investments, there are

986
01:21:40,260 --> 01:21:46,700
big winners and big losers. And I don't want San Marcos to be a big loser. I would

987
01:21:46,700 --> 01:21:54,320
other way to here and see whether the predictions are true if there can be data centers built

988
01:21:54,320 --> 01:22:02,180
that don't suck up the water and increase the price of water and electricity in the surroundings.

989
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:09,040
I think there will be plenty of money and interest for these investments, but we won't

990
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:15,200
have to gamble with San Marcos, our businesses, the real estate, the protection of our

991
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:21,760
and water and the unimportant people like me who will pay an increase in water and electricity.

992
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:30,200
I suggest we wait just wait a year. By then you'll have sufficient information on which to make this decision.

993
01:22:30,700 --> 01:22:31,200
Thank you.

994
01:22:31,220 --> 01:22:32,400
Thank you, ma'am.

995
01:22:35,100 --> 01:22:38,900
Mary, a little field divine. I live at 2545 York Creek Road.

996
01:22:39,500 --> 01:22:46,000
New Bronfell's Hayes County and my back gate is at 1470 Francis Harris, very close to the proposed data center.

997
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:50,840
I am here to oppose agenda items four and five.

998
01:22:51,220 --> 01:22:55,840
I'm also here to express my concern that Mr. Mayberry was told

999
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:59,900
that he had to wait to come back for a year.

1000
01:23:00,380 --> 01:23:01,900
And we're back already.

1001
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:05,360
And I don't know how to go up the chain of command to find out

1002
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:09,300
what it takes to oppose that or why it was allowed.

1003
01:23:09,300 --> 01:23:15,900
I do appreciate the idea of in industry hiring union labor.

1004
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:20,360
My father was in various unions and the secretary of his union.

1005
01:23:20,980 --> 01:23:27,920
When I was growing up, however, in the state of Texas, the trades are regulated by TDLR.

1006
01:23:28,460 --> 01:23:33,440
And their landmark hallmark slogan is transparency and accountability.

1007
01:23:34,100 --> 01:23:37,640
And I feel that we're not seeing that here at the meeting.

1008
01:23:38,340 --> 01:24:06,900
And the reason that I feel that way is because I came to essentially all of the meetings last year that we're related to the data center and I heard Mr. Mayberry and his paid representatives coming in and making pie in the side sky statements that we're not evidence-based and we're not factual promising technology and industry that doesn't actually yet exist as if they can still yet.

1009
01:24:06,900 --> 01:24:17,720
execute and deliver this in our community with no risk to us. It is nonsense. It's a form of gas lighting. I feel like we're being gas lit again.

1010
01:24:18,180 --> 01:24:26,840
It's a manipulative mind control kind of a thing that interferes with our normal thought processes to be told that things can occur in a certain way

1011
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:34,240
that's not scientifically possible and that developers don't need to follow the rules and that the local government also doesn't need to follow the rules.

1012
01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:41,320
I'm concerned also because data centers in and of themselves are associated with an increase in cognitive dissonance.

1013
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:44,920
And that's what we have on the rise here at these meetings every time.

1014
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:59,880
I urge you to vote against these agenda items, preserve our quality of life and our way of life as farmers and ranchers in that rural corridor conservation community where our livelihoods.

1015
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:06,120
Should not be sacrificed for another person's livelihood and if Mr. Mayberry wants to hire the union,

1016
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:10,320
I support that he could put in his housing development and there would be a lot of jobs.

1017
01:25:10,740 --> 01:25:11,720
Thank you.

1018
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:12,680
Thank you.

1019
01:25:17,260 --> 01:25:17,600
Hello.

1020
01:25:17,820 --> 01:25:19,060
My name is Syl Vasquez.

1021
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:23,820
I'm a graduate of Samarkis High School as well as Texas State University.

1022
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:26,560
Samarkis is the only home I've ever known.

1023
01:25:27,860 --> 01:25:33,060
When my younger brother died, I gathered three vials of water from headwaters and I placed

1024
01:25:33,060 --> 01:25:37,400
one in his casket. I could never imagine that I would have to place another one in my mother's

1025
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:44,980
casket so soon after. I did that as a representation of everlasting life. Time and time

1026
01:25:44,980 --> 01:25:50,300
again, I've returned to these waters for peace. The current runs through me, the way my mother's

1027
01:25:50,300 --> 01:25:56,440
love once did. It is the only thing that keeps me connected to her. Well, that in music, she really

1028
01:25:56,440 --> 01:26:02,380
loved to dance and sing. Her name was Louisa Vasquez. And she showed me how to swim at

1029
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:06,460
How to remain fearless against the current.

1030
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:08,760
Please, save these waters.

1031
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:13,960
I want more mothers to be able to teach their children how to swim here.

1032
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:16,940
Like they have for the past over 11,000 years.

1033
01:26:17,460 --> 01:26:18,320
Thank you.

1034
01:26:18,500 --> 01:26:19,680
Thank you.

1035
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:30,140
Excuse me.

1036
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:31,820
Chris B. Polanco.

1037
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:39,760
I don't know if I have anything that I could say right now that hasn't already been said tonight.

1038
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:42,540
somebody even already talked about the AI bubble.

1039
01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:45,560
I might have been the only new thing I had.

1040
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:46,800
Thanks a lot.

1041
01:26:50,580 --> 01:26:52,960
I guess I'm up here because I just didn't want to feel left out.

1042
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:58,840
But I'm not even really against data centers in general.

1043
01:26:59,660 --> 01:27:05,300
As a blind person, I use tool data tools and AI tools that help make it through

1044
01:27:05,300 --> 01:27:07,600
day to day life all the time.

1045
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:10,500
I just think data centers need to be built responsibly.

1046
01:27:10,500 --> 01:27:26,680
in areas that can sustain them, and this is not one of those areas, and honestly, as a socialist and our current system, there's no, it's not possible to build and responsibly sustainably when profit is the pure motive.

1047
01:27:31,270 --> 01:27:35,530
And somebody mentioned that we're representing a vocal minority.

1048
01:27:36,950 --> 01:27:41,130
We're the vocal minority of a silenced majority,

1049
01:27:42,390 --> 01:27:45,970
silenced by jobs that keep them asleep,

1050
01:27:46,070 --> 01:27:49,030
to working hours and wages that they need just to survive,

1051
01:27:49,630 --> 01:27:54,270
because capitalism does not recognize the right to live.

1052
01:27:54,270 --> 01:27:59,270
Um, and that yeah, this is just going to keep being a little bit disjointed.

1053
01:28:00,330 --> 01:28:05,550
Um, there's the AI above, or you're not going to see a lot of revenue from the data center

1054
01:28:05,550 --> 01:28:11,410
due to tax invatements, data centers tend to, I only have a life cycle of about 10 years

1055
01:28:12,130 --> 01:28:17,410
and between that and the AI above, there's no benefit to this, so to all the trade

1056
01:28:17,410 --> 01:28:22,770
people that are talking about all the benefit to everything like, if you're willing to pay

1057
01:28:22,770 --> 01:28:29,570
the high cost of the water, the power, and everything else, just to enrich yourself, and you

1058
01:28:29,570 --> 01:28:31,150
don't actually care about this community.

1059
01:28:33,190 --> 01:28:33,670
Point blank.

1060
01:28:35,790 --> 01:28:38,270
I'm just going to go ahead and just

1061
01:28:38,270 --> 01:28:44,310
have a little fun with this conduct a little experiment. I hope my friends and neighbors outside

1062
01:28:44,310 --> 01:28:51,610
don't let me down because this might be embarrassing if it doesn't go my way. But if anybody here

1063
01:28:52,430 --> 01:28:59,870
Once to see this data center die and die permanently, like it should have died several months ago.

1064
01:29:01,350 --> 01:29:06,150
When I ran for City Council this time, I made up a Wolf character, El Lobo Ciego, the Blind Wolf.

1065
01:29:06,950 --> 01:29:12,070
Well, don't you guys just show a little disrespect for my time and give me a big wolf how.

1066
01:29:25,150 --> 01:29:29,450
I've never got to use that before. It's some excited that I was able to. Thank you for the opportunity.

1067
01:29:30,570 --> 01:29:32,290
You please touch your name on me.

1068
01:29:32,290 --> 01:29:32,830
You name only.

1069
01:29:33,050 --> 01:29:33,650
We have three minutes.

1070
01:29:34,810 --> 01:29:36,490
My name is Barbara Hanksson.

1071
01:29:36,750 --> 01:29:40,790
I am a paraprofessional education educator at the Kylo Elementary.

1072
01:29:41,370 --> 01:29:42,910
I'm a resident of Sam Markis.

1073
01:29:43,530 --> 01:29:46,230
Something that I want to mention that I haven't heard anybody else mention.

1074
01:29:46,710 --> 01:29:48,330
Something that really upsets me when I learned it.

1075
01:29:48,370 --> 01:29:52,270
What I was a child, they told us that 3% of the water on earth was drinkable.

1076
01:29:52,610 --> 01:29:57,790
Our children today, your children today, are learning that only 2% of it is drinkable.

1077
01:29:57,790 --> 01:29:59,830
And that is being used currently.

1078
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:11,320
22, handle our data centers. Houston Advanced Research Center shows that existing data centers approximately consume 25 billion gallons of water that was the estimate for 2025.

1079
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:22,640
We are already on drought watches and do rolling blackouts for energy conservation. And I live right next to the new bookies that's being built, actually.

1080
01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:26,140
I watch animals who have been forced from their homes

1081
01:30:26,140 --> 01:30:29,520
dive on the busy and dark road of post road

1082
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:32,380
on the back where there's no street lights or anything.

1083
01:30:33,480 --> 01:30:37,820
So I've seen a lot of the what's happened

1084
01:30:37,820 --> 01:30:42,800
to our environment when animals are displaced,

1085
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:48,240
when we see things being built that don't necessarily

1086
01:30:48,240 --> 01:30:49,780
need to be built.

1087
01:30:50,460 --> 01:30:54,440
I ask the question because a lot of people have mentioned the jobs.

1088
01:30:55,140 --> 01:30:57,520
Is your job worth the soul of our community?

1089
01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:03,100
And I ask what is the use of healthcare to children who are dying of thirst

1090
01:31:03,100 --> 01:31:06,320
and to doctors who can no longer wash their hands?

1091
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:09,700
Morality begs you to please, hear our please.

1092
01:31:10,060 --> 01:31:13,440
Listen to your citizens to your children and say no to the data centers.

1093
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:14,400
Thank you.

1094
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:15,780
Thank you.

1095
01:31:19,620 --> 01:31:26,960
evening, Mr. Chairman, ladies and gentlemen, my name is Peter Bane and although I'm not a resident of the city, I am in the

1096
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:35,640
ATJ, I'm in the SMC ISD, and I have had the 786 Mark of the BCIP code for the last 55 years.

1097
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:45,020
So, thank you very much for allowing us free parking and access to our parks, most recent, and other parks and wreck, but a lot has changed since I committed to attend

1098
01:31:45,020 --> 01:31:53,120
in SWT in 1969, small college towns got in now a world-class university. Traveled all over

1099
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:57,080
the world growing up as well as chasing industrial business, and what we're dealing with

1100
01:31:57,080 --> 01:32:04,380
here is not a first world issue at all. We did live north of post road, so it was a neighbor

1101
01:32:04,380 --> 01:32:10,120
that spoke. I should see her because we have enough light to light up a lot out of that neighborhood.

1102
01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:15,300
In 1997, we enjoyed the stars at night till C-Fan moved in,

1103
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:19,000
and so light pollution is a big part of our world these days.

1104
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:23,240
But during that time, we're surrounded by Sam Marcus,

1105
01:32:24,100 --> 01:32:26,280
and the most notable change in our neighborhood

1106
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:29,720
is transition from the Blanco River to what now

1107
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:32,220
should be more accurately defined as the Blanco Gulch.

1108
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:36,000
And so as a correction to barrister Charles Sikting,

1109
01:32:36,440 --> 01:32:38,080
there's not three inches of water there.

1110
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:43,020
There's nothing after a six inch rain, we barely get any water over the dam at all.

1111
01:32:43,940 --> 01:32:48,120
The County Water Projects like the Alliance Water Treatment of the Carriesville Wilcoct

1112
01:32:48,120 --> 01:32:53,340
Resources, desalination projects that are going to be bringing fresh water up

1113
01:32:53,340 --> 01:32:55,880
in our lifetimes quite likely are very real.

1114
01:32:56,540 --> 01:33:00,640
One of the things that I'm very hopeful of, though, is that we're at the task here

1115
01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:07,280
of comparing a data center investment with 500 new homes in that same piece of property.

1116
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:11,380
homes that will be consumers of water, of power, of

1117
01:33:11,380 --> 01:33:15,120
maintenance, police, and fire costs, and additional

1118
01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:18,820
light pollution. And so the new bucket, yes, it is a new

1119
01:33:18,820 --> 01:33:21,860
business, and it will be contributing more to the

1120
01:33:21,860 --> 01:33:24,940
light pollution as well as the moon towers or whatever

1121
01:33:24,940 --> 01:33:30,080
we may call those. But we have there in our area,

1122
01:33:31,480 --> 01:33:34,380
Griffithford, Redsheim, and Seaphan, United

1123
01:33:34,380 --> 01:33:40,340
technology over a million square feet of the Amazon warehouse, which is

1124
01:33:40,340 --> 01:33:44,540
dwarfed by all the rest of the millions of square feet of

1125
01:33:44,540 --> 01:33:47,420
workers there, a new car max, steel, Hyundai.

1126
01:33:48,640 --> 01:33:53,680
We also have the proposed Polka logo that's going on up there.

1127
01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:55,800
We got a lot going on north of town.

1128
01:33:56,460 --> 01:34:01,000
So what we have here is the latest thing, which we will enjoy,

1129
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:08,740
I say that tongue and cheek is a new Cassata tiny homes tiny homes for those that don't know or mobile homes ain't got no wheels

1130
01:34:08,740 --> 01:34:11,400
But what they do have is another 300

1131
01:34:12,480 --> 01:34:20,820
Automobiles it'll be on post road and that's gonna make it more challenging the growth of our community is because more than just the people that are here

1132
01:34:20,820 --> 01:34:30,400
Love the community, but the growth of the communities needs to be sustained by the investments and so I would encourage you to invest in those and vote for the four and five

1133
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:32,040
Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen.

1134
01:34:32,300 --> 01:34:32,920
Good, thank you, sir.

1135
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:39,160
Hello, my name is Abby Wetzel.

1136
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:42,080
I'm at 1717 Quail Run, Samarkas.

1137
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:44,480
This year marks 20 years in Samarkas.

1138
01:34:45,320 --> 01:34:46,740
I feel like I'm having deja vu.

1139
01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:49,600
Here we all are, back at planning and zoning,

1140
01:34:49,900 --> 01:34:51,760
talking about a matter that has already been debated

1141
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:54,440
in the public has overwhelmingly said no to.

1142
01:34:55,140 --> 01:34:57,040
Should the preferred scenario map be changed

1143
01:34:57,040 --> 01:34:59,780
from conservation cluster to commercial employment

1144
01:34:59,780 --> 01:34:59,920
Let's go.

1145
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:28,580
Hello, for the property on Francis Harris Lane, and should the zoning be changed from future development to light industrial. As a citizen that lives five miles away from this property, I say no. The preferred use map was decided on as part of the comprehensive plan only 15 months ago in October of 2024. It took two years of public input to decide upon this plan, which is supposed to be in place for the next 10 to 20 years. We all know that developer Mr. Mayberry plans to build a massive data center.

1146
01:35:28,580 --> 01:35:30,900
On the property and that these data centers

1147
01:35:30,900 --> 01:35:33,240
goes a water, use copious amounts of electricity

1148
01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:35,160
that raise citizens utility bills

1149
01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:36,880
and cause greenhouse gas pollution,

1150
01:35:37,080 --> 01:35:39,000
light pollution, and destroy wildlife habitat.

1151
01:35:40,700 --> 01:35:42,480
As the data center boom is upon us,

1152
01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:44,480
citizens around the nation are coming to realize

1153
01:35:44,480 --> 01:35:46,620
that data centers should not be built near

1154
01:35:46,620 --> 01:35:47,820
where people live.

1155
01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:50,420
I urge you to look into the effects

1156
01:35:50,420 --> 01:35:52,240
that are being documented around the nation.

1157
01:35:52,540 --> 01:35:55,140
Look at Memphis, Tennessee, Newton County, Georgia,

1158
01:35:55,500 --> 01:35:58,160
Colton County, South Carolina, and Dallas, Texas,

1159
01:35:58,160 --> 01:36:03,360
here in our own home state, data centers belong in their own zoning category, and is not

1160
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:07,480
light industrial. If you take a dive into the effects of data centers on their environment,

1161
01:36:07,640 --> 01:36:11,960
you will see that they belong in a heavy industrial zone, not near where there are established

1162
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:16,960
communities. Please listen to the community and vote against the changes to the preferred use

1163
01:36:16,960 --> 01:36:22,300
map and zoning. The former planning and zoning committee and the former city council members

1164
01:36:22,300 --> 01:36:27,140
have already said no to these changes. I really don't understand why we have to keep fighting

1165
01:36:27,140 --> 01:36:30,720
so hard for something that benefits a few at the cost of many.

1166
01:36:31,300 --> 01:36:34,040
And some notes that I took while everyone else has been talking.

1167
01:36:34,740 --> 01:36:38,700
In terms of the families putting down roots, those roots will need water to grow.

1168
01:36:39,180 --> 01:36:40,720
We need to protect our water resources.

1169
01:36:41,220 --> 01:36:45,640
In terms of the new jobs, Mr. Berry said, he said 50 jobs.

1170
01:36:45,860 --> 01:36:47,060
That is not that many jobs.

1171
01:36:47,100 --> 01:36:48,820
Our water is more important than that.

1172
01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:50,660
And please don't listen to the people.

1173
01:36:51,120 --> 01:36:53,520
Mr. Berry had a desperately calling for help.

1174
01:36:53,660 --> 01:36:55,620
Listen to the people that live here.

1175
01:36:56,100 --> 01:36:56,480
Thank you.

1176
01:36:56,480 --> 01:36:58,260
Thank you.

1177
01:37:01,690 --> 01:37:05,190
Mr. Chairman, commissioners, my name is Mike Camelander, I'm the president of the Hayes

1178
01:37:05,190 --> 01:37:10,710
College of Public Development Partnership, and I am paid by the city of San Marcos and Hayes

1179
01:37:10,710 --> 01:37:14,550
County and other municipalities throughout these two counties to be here.

1180
01:37:15,650 --> 01:37:17,270
We think about recruiting advanced manufacturing.

1181
01:37:18,310 --> 01:37:23,330
It's important to recognize the foundational role that data centers play in today's industrial economy.

1182
01:37:24,170 --> 01:37:26,330
Modern manufacturing is no longer about assembly lines.

1183
01:37:26,330 --> 01:37:31,330
It's about automation, robotics, machine learning, and advanced supply chain integration.

1184
01:37:32,470 --> 01:37:34,570
All these depend on secure resilient digital infrastructure.

1185
01:37:35,570 --> 01:37:39,190
Days have to provide three critical functions that directly influence

1186
01:37:39,190 --> 01:37:40,770
size selection for manufacturers.

1187
01:37:41,610 --> 01:37:43,210
They create a digital infrastructure backbone.

1188
01:37:43,830 --> 01:37:45,810
Next, generation plans to run on data.

1189
01:37:46,190 --> 01:37:50,090
From predictive maintenance and AI-driven production lines to quality control

1190
01:37:50,090 --> 01:37:56,310
through real-time sensors, these systems require constant power for processing and

1191
01:37:56,310 --> 01:38:01,250
A strong local data center presence ensures that manufacturers who do create thousands of jobs,

1192
01:38:01,430 --> 01:38:05,110
good-paying jobs, can operate efficiently and scale with confidence.

1193
01:38:06,250 --> 01:38:07,850
They provide reliability or redundancy.

1194
01:38:08,190 --> 01:38:08,890
They really do.

1195
01:38:09,490 --> 01:38:15,990
Everything that was said earlier from an actual expert on power and how that works is right.

1196
01:38:17,490 --> 01:38:19,930
They manufacturers evaluate companies about risk.

1197
01:38:20,290 --> 01:38:23,210
They need to know about downtime than what happened.

1198
01:38:23,210 --> 01:38:28,310
This has been redundant power systems, robust fiber connectivity and built-in cybersecurity.

1199
01:38:29,390 --> 01:38:31,310
They also have provided ecosystem multiplier.

1200
01:38:31,950 --> 01:38:35,390
While data centers themselves employ highly skilled technicians and engineers,

1201
01:38:35,730 --> 01:38:39,650
the greater impact comes from enabling the attraction of manufacturing as I mentioned.

1202
01:38:40,470 --> 01:38:43,550
A single advanced manufacturing facility may employ hundreds of thousands of workers.

1203
01:38:44,130 --> 01:38:48,390
The presence of data centers signals that this community is equipped for industry 4.0,

1204
01:38:48,890 --> 01:38:52,930
which directly increases our competitiveness in national and global recruitment efforts.

1205
01:38:52,930 --> 01:38:55,530
In short, data centers are not isolated facilities.

1206
01:38:56,290 --> 01:38:57,670
Their economic infrastructure.

1207
01:38:58,730 --> 01:39:03,090
Just as highways and railroads, power 20th century industry, data centers power 21st century

1208
01:39:03,090 --> 01:39:03,790
manufacturing.

1209
01:39:04,570 --> 01:39:08,250
By supporting data center growth, we strengthen our ability to attract next-generation employers

1210
01:39:08,250 --> 01:39:09,410
to create high-waves jobs.

1211
01:39:09,850 --> 01:39:11,690
We do not recruit data centers.

1212
01:39:12,690 --> 01:39:14,170
The partnership does not do that.

1213
01:39:14,570 --> 01:39:20,590
They are coming here and because of our infrastructure that exists, no new power plants are being

1214
01:39:20,590 --> 01:39:27,430
for this data center it'll use existing electrons on the grid and it will be, it will be built.

1215
01:39:27,990 --> 01:39:33,670
Hopefully here in St. Marcus where it can be regulated, watched and controlled as well as

1216
01:39:33,670 --> 01:39:38,970
good tax benefits. That is the point of economic development. Thank you. Thanks, sir.

1217
01:39:43,270 --> 01:39:49,070
Hi, my name is Elizabeth Riley. I am a 25-year resident of St. Marcus and I did not plan to speak

1218
01:39:49,070 --> 01:39:55,190
tonight. You know, I want to speak, so I'm off the cuff and you'll excuse me. I want to

1219
01:39:55,190 --> 01:39:59,650
speak to the gentleman who is before me that they're coming here to benefit from our infrastructure.

1220
01:40:01,780 --> 01:40:12,580
We've outpaying for it. They want to pollute our community and have a vested monetary interest where

1221
01:40:12,580 --> 01:40:18,160
the only interest for all of the people who are here speaking in against the Senate Center tonight

1222
01:40:18,160 --> 01:40:24,480
have the interest of living in this community, instead of just making money from it. And I want

1223
01:40:24,480 --> 01:40:29,380
to say this. I am a mother in this community. I love two of my children at home. I am missing

1224
01:40:29,380 --> 01:40:36,480
their bedtime. There is not a small minority who are against this AI data center. There is

1225
01:40:36,480 --> 01:40:40,600
a small minority of people who can clear their schedules to come to a meeting at 6pm after

1226
01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:46,640
a full day of work. There is not one single committee member that I have spoken to that

1227
01:40:46,640 --> 01:40:52,360
is interested in this data center whatsoever. And the proposition that they've offered is,

1228
01:40:52,360 --> 01:40:56,880
let us build it here and we'll play by the rules. We'll build it whether you like it or not.

1229
01:40:56,880 --> 01:41:01,980
And that is not exactly the building box for a good economic or community project.

1230
01:41:03,120 --> 01:41:09,820
And I just cannot believe that we are here again, having the same conversation when this

1231
01:41:09,820 --> 01:41:15,780
committee has spoken, the community has spoken, everybody has spoken, and the only people

1232
01:41:15,780 --> 01:41:22,640
who seem interested in the comments for the community are the people who are directly benefit

1233
01:41:22,640 --> 01:41:28,760
monetarily from it, okay. They don't care that we are here speaking against it. They want

1234
01:41:28,760 --> 01:41:33,520
to develop us against our will, and that is just completely inappropriate.

1235
01:41:36,210 --> 01:41:36,530
I don't seem

1236
01:41:36,530 --> 01:41:42,230
to be able to see my clock, so I just want to say that there are more community members

1237
01:41:42,230 --> 01:41:47,470
that are against this than are for it, and we are a, this is local government, and we

1238
01:41:47,470 --> 01:41:53,330
should listen to the local people who are speaking up rather than the huge financial people

1239
01:41:53,330 --> 01:41:55,650
who are having a vested interest in it.

1240
01:41:56,110 --> 01:41:56,570
Thank you.

1241
01:41:56,650 --> 01:41:57,330
Thank you.

1242
01:42:01,640 --> 01:42:03,120
Hello, my name is Samantha Sharbano.

1243
01:42:03,220 --> 01:42:04,160
My voice might be shaky.

1244
01:42:04,340 --> 01:42:05,640
I'm very nervous to speak tonight.

1245
01:42:07,020 --> 01:42:11,480
I am a, I'm a lifelong resident of central Texas

1246
01:42:11,480 --> 01:42:13,960
and a recent graduate of Texas State University

1247
01:42:13,960 --> 01:42:15,880
with a degree in international studies

1248
01:42:15,880 --> 01:42:17,340
with a concentration in Europe.

1249
01:42:18,280 --> 01:42:20,900
I am reacting specifically to the construction

1250
01:42:20,900 --> 01:42:24,460
at labor union and others in support of the data center

1251
01:42:24,460 --> 01:42:33,360
who say that if these jobs are such steady reliable jobs that are similar to the ones that

1252
01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:37,960
they were able to build their careers on, that they have been able to have in these past

1253
01:42:37,960 --> 01:42:39,640
decades, first of all, where did those jobs go?

1254
01:42:39,780 --> 01:42:41,200
They're still the university here, anyway.

1255
01:42:43,220 --> 01:42:46,960
If there's such stable reliable jobs, where were they 10 years ago?

1256
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:49,800
We didn't have to have them 10 years ago.

1257
01:42:50,440 --> 01:42:58,740
The demand for the monumental processing of data was not here 10 years ago.

1258
01:42:58,820 --> 01:43:06,820
We didn't have AI companies trying to get into our personal professional academic lives

1259
01:43:06,820 --> 01:43:11,800
that we didn't have social media trying to feed into trying to consume our consumption

1260
01:43:11,800 --> 01:43:16,860
habits in order to ascend them back to like in order to manipulate us in order to buy

1261
01:43:16,860 --> 01:43:20,680
more things in order to do what they want us to do.

1262
01:43:22,620 --> 01:43:28,740
It was all of the issues that we think about that we talk about now of internet and data and

1263
01:43:28,740 --> 01:43:33,440
social media and AI ruining the futures of our kids ruining everything for that.

1264
01:43:33,800 --> 01:43:38,300
And there are so many ethical, economic and environmental reasons not to do the data sensory

1265
01:43:38,300 --> 01:43:43,000
just physically, but then there is the social aspect of what the data center will do.

1266
01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:48,940
The only people at the profiting from this are those at the top that are akin to the Robert

1267
01:43:48,940 --> 01:43:53,420
Barons, the railroad barons that complain of children with coal in their lungs in the 19th century.

1268
01:43:53,840 --> 01:43:58,820
It's military men going, it's military men sending representatives into the Appalachian mountains saying,

1269
01:43:59,020 --> 01:44:01,320
We have stable reliable jobs at a nuclear factory.

1270
01:44:01,340 --> 01:44:05,500
We have this factory job for you and you'll be able to have a pension for all of the years of your life.

1271
01:44:05,680 --> 01:44:12,980
Completely ignoring the doctors that afterwards wonder why the rates of cancer go up in every person who eats drinks,

1272
01:44:12,980 --> 01:44:17,620
breathes anything in the area, and so that's not the question you have to ask now.

1273
01:44:17,740 --> 01:44:22,680
It is the question of what will be breathes, where will the food that we eat be grown,

1274
01:44:22,860 --> 01:44:28,480
what water will grow it, how are we going to have a future that these jobs will apparently

1275
01:44:28,480 --> 01:44:32,200
provide for? That is all I have to say. Thank you.

1276
01:44:32,260 --> 01:44:33,200
Thank you.

1277
01:44:40,140 --> 01:44:40,760
All right, I'm a little short.

1278
01:44:41,880 --> 01:44:47,680
Hi. My name is Adriana Montoya. I'm a resident of San Marcos. I just wanted to illuminate

1279
01:44:47,680 --> 01:44:52,440
commission on a few different facts. First of all, KUT reported last year that at the rate

1280
01:44:52,440 --> 01:44:56,680
we're going, some articles will not be able to meet municipal water demands by 247. That's

1281
01:44:56,680 --> 01:44:59,960
in two decades. I'm a graduate student at Texas State.

1282
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:05,400
We're on studying historical water use, and I'm surrounded constantly by researchers who specialize in water management.

1283
01:45:06,360 --> 01:45:15,860
And a scary reality that I want to communicate to you from what I hear from my colleagues is that our existing projections that predict water demand are based on old data, which is based on older projections.

1284
01:45:16,740 --> 01:45:24,660
So that 2047 year I mentioned is almost certainly inaccurate, and we actually have fewer years between now in serious water scarcity time.

1285
01:45:24,660 --> 01:45:29,120
But I shouldn't need to be a water researcher for you to take what I'm saying seriously.

1286
01:45:29,120 --> 01:45:32,260
I'm a human, made up of roughly 60% water.

1287
01:45:32,620 --> 01:45:39,980
As are you, as everyone else here in this building that is sitting on land where water has been

1288
01:45:39,980 --> 01:45:41,780
disappearing from the ground for the last few decades.

1289
01:45:42,220 --> 01:45:47,560
13,000 years, the San Marcos Springs have flowed from the bedrock beneath us.

1290
01:45:47,580 --> 01:45:51,780
This region holds the title as the oldest continually occupied place in North America because

1291
01:45:51,780 --> 01:45:53,460
of our springs that I've never dried up.

1292
01:45:53,460 --> 01:45:58,520
We exist in the blink of our springs ancient eyes, and as stewards of this stolen indigenous land,

1293
01:45:59,080 --> 01:46:02,600
we have the power to extinguish that title within this blink.

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01:46:03,240 --> 01:46:05,240
Is this city going to be the one responsible to do that?

1295
01:46:05,460 --> 01:46:06,280
I really hope not.

1296
01:46:06,380 --> 01:46:11,220
And as a side note, though I am always a supporter of Union jobs just because they offer Union contract to build the death star.

1297
01:46:11,360 --> 01:46:12,720
It does not mean we need to build the death star.

1298
01:46:13,440 --> 01:46:15,200
So thank you to those who are standing outside.

1299
01:46:15,320 --> 01:46:17,360
This is the most packed I've ever seen city hall.

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01:46:17,420 --> 01:46:19,600
Do not give up hope the data center rebellion is here.

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01:46:19,780 --> 01:46:20,220
It has come in.

1302
01:46:20,380 --> 01:46:22,180
It's a long fight, but we must continue holding the line.

1303
01:46:22,180 --> 01:46:24,100
I love you, San Marcos. Thank you.

1304
01:46:24,140 --> 01:46:25,080
Thank you.

1305
01:46:28,410 --> 01:46:31,910
Good evening to commissioners. My name is Matthew Gonzales. I am the business manager

1306
01:46:31,910 --> 01:46:40,450
of Labor's Local 1095. We cover 93,000 square miles in Central Southwest Texas with San Marcos being in the heart of it.

1307
01:46:40,750 --> 01:46:54,850
We represent over 1,000 members within our jurisdiction. Right here in San Marcos, we have a union

1308
01:46:54,850 --> 01:47:03,010
local presence. I want to before I go further state that I am not paid to be here. I am here

1309
01:47:03,010 --> 01:47:09,770
not for my own benefit but for the benefit that our organization offers communities across

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01:47:09,770 --> 01:47:17,590
this country. Those opportunities result in higher wages and better benefits. As one of my colleagues

1311
01:47:17,590 --> 01:47:23,090
said earlier, we have a written commitment from the developer that if this moves forward, it will

1312
01:47:23,090 --> 01:47:29,250
Union. What that equates to is a starting hourly rate of 2590 an hour for

1313
01:47:29,250 --> 01:47:33,450
journeymen laborers on the job. For entry-level first period of

1314
01:47:33,450 --> 01:47:38,970
priness, that equates to 2331 an hour. A first period of priness has little

1315
01:47:38,970 --> 01:47:43,970
to no experiencing construction. So imagine your fresh graduate from high

1316
01:47:43,970 --> 01:47:48,510
school or a young adult who has no direction and you choose to pursue

1317
01:47:48,510 --> 01:47:54,390
construction, that's a great starting rate. By the way, these positions come with employer paid

1318
01:47:54,390 --> 01:48:00,710
medical insurance that covers the entire family. Life insurance, pension for retirement,

1319
01:48:01,330 --> 01:48:06,870
Department of Labor Register training, that allows them to skill up and develop and progress

1320
01:48:06,870 --> 01:48:08,670
both personally and professionally.

1321
01:48:11,280 --> 01:48:18,620
I'm very respectful of the different perspectives that are

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01:48:18,620 --> 01:48:21,960
located within our last visit several months ago.

1323
01:48:22,540 --> 01:48:27,040
It was an eye opener to see the passion and the dedication that the residents bring here

1324
01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:27,460
today.

1325
01:48:28,140 --> 01:48:33,380
But this is an opportunity for you as a commission to vote in favor of extending those

1326
01:48:33,380 --> 01:48:39,220
opportunities to the men and women who work in construction or will work in construction

1327
01:48:39,220 --> 01:48:40,300
from this community.

1328
01:48:41,100 --> 01:48:41,580
Thank you.

1329
01:48:41,880 --> 01:48:42,380
Thank you, sir.

1330
01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:47,400
Good evening.

1331
01:48:47,460 --> 01:48:49,140
My name is Jasmine Castellanos.

1332
01:48:49,140 --> 01:48:58,180
I'm a new resident of Sam Marcus, but I grew up swimming in the Sam Marcus river because I lived in Martin Dale for a number of years.

1333
01:48:59,460 --> 01:49:05,260
I have a stepfather who's been a professor at the University for 25 years. My mom is a small business owner here.

1334
01:49:05,580 --> 01:49:08,400
They live in Sam Marcus and now so do I.

1335
01:49:09,540 --> 01:49:14,440
They were able to make it tonight because they're caring for my grandfather who's recovering from surgery.

1336
01:49:14,440 --> 01:49:18,160
Otherwise, they'd be here and I think that a lot of people who are here tonight probably

1337
01:49:18,160 --> 01:49:23,540
know loved ones and others who would like to be here but can't.

1338
01:49:24,220 --> 01:49:34,320
This is not in my normality, this is a group of people who is able to show up out of majority

1339
01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:37,900
I think of the residents of this city.

1340
01:49:39,340 --> 01:49:43,620
I wasn't prepared to speak tonight, especially after all the comments already made, I feel

1341
01:49:43,620 --> 01:49:46,940
They don't have a whole lot left to add so I'm speaking off the cuff.

1342
01:49:48,080 --> 01:49:56,540
But I'd like to say that I believe that Sam Marxist is a community that depends on

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01:49:56,540 --> 01:49:59,960
the water resources not only to live.

1344
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:06,520
We vent into the stain of our community, but also because that is the lifeblood of our culture.

1345
01:50:07,120 --> 01:50:13,080
It is the reason why people move here. It is a reason why people stay here. I gained confidence

1346
01:50:13,080 --> 01:50:21,420
waiting in the San Marca's River as a young girl, and I hope to continue to call San Marca's

1347
01:50:21,420 --> 01:50:27,600
etched access home for many, many years. Franckley, our region does not have the water resources to

1348
01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:31,920
sustain a data center like this, and then many more that will follow if we allow this one

1349
01:50:32,940 --> 01:50:38,020
to proceed to be built. I oppose this and I urge you to do the same. Thank you so much for

1350
01:50:38,020 --> 01:50:44,520
your time, and thank you to everyone who has dedicated their entire evenings and probably

1351
01:50:44,520 --> 01:50:52,560
preparation time, and much time over the past year to opposing this data center. Thank you.

1352
01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:53,660
Thank you.

1353
01:50:58,500 --> 01:51:00,000
Good evening, City Council.

1354
01:51:00,160 --> 01:51:00,960
My name is Randy.

1355
01:51:01,960 --> 01:51:05,100
I'm not a native San Martian, but I am a native Texan.

1356
01:51:05,860 --> 01:51:12,700
I grew up here coming to the different rivers and central Texas from here, San Marcos, New

1357
01:51:12,700 --> 01:51:14,760
Bronfills, Freo River, et cetera.

1358
01:51:16,260 --> 01:51:23,920
And since I've moved out here, I've noticed a difference in how low the water in the river

1359
01:51:23,920 --> 01:51:24,520
has gone.

1360
01:51:24,520 --> 01:51:27,780
Last time I came up to speak to you guys about that

1361
01:51:27,780 --> 01:51:33,540
I talked about how when I go that the notice of when I go tubing is that

1362
01:51:34,800 --> 01:51:41,440
The rocks will like in the lion's club area have like hit my butt and it I gone bruises on my butt

1363
01:51:41,440 --> 01:51:49,480
So it's really annoying especially after a day of tubing and drinking till I get up just to walk

1364
01:51:49,480 --> 01:51:52,720
So I can get into some water to reckon continue to float down

1365
01:51:54,160 --> 01:52:00,280
But I'm just here with the majority of the people that are out here in opposition of these

1366
01:52:00,280 --> 01:52:08,480
data centers being built, because as everybody else has stated, it's doing no service,

1367
01:52:08,780 --> 01:52:11,960
more than it's doing no service, it's doing harm.

1368
01:52:12,740 --> 01:52:20,220
And for as long as I am going to be a Texas resident, I'm here to fight to keep Texas

1369
01:52:20,220 --> 01:52:28,860
beautiful, keep our waters, keep our land and all that beautiful, while job opportunities sound

1370
01:52:28,860 --> 01:52:33,860
like a good thing. I would like to see that instead of something like this data center being

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01:52:33,860 --> 01:52:42,040
built, that if the city of San Marcos and the residents here, if we can come up with job opportunities

1372
01:52:42,040 --> 01:52:47,540
that are more of a solution to protect our environment and protect our waters and I would like to

1373
01:52:48,280 --> 01:52:57,800
San Marco's be a leading city like to do something like that, you know, that's all I wanted to say to you guys.

1374
01:52:58,020 --> 01:52:59,680
Thank you so much for giving me the time to speak up.

1375
01:53:00,420 --> 01:53:01,740
Thank you very much.

1376
01:53:05,850 --> 01:53:09,390
I'm just going to have a timer so I know what's going on with the time.

1377
01:53:09,630 --> 01:53:10,610
Thank you for your patience.

1378
01:53:16,970 --> 01:53:19,630
My name is I go by Ariel. My name is Shelby though.

1379
01:53:20,290 --> 01:53:25,590
I've been living in such a Texas my whole life. I have family from Austin all the way to San Antonio.

1380
01:53:25,590 --> 01:53:29,210
So, and something we all share is our water comes from the aquifer.

1381
01:53:29,830 --> 01:53:36,650
Each one of these springs is fed by this aquifer, and I ask if you have already close

1382
01:53:36,650 --> 01:53:41,270
your hearts and ears because there are so many different passionate views open them once

1383
01:53:41,270 --> 01:53:48,710
more to the pain that all of our relatives are experiencing those out on that land already

1384
01:53:48,710 --> 01:53:54,410
who are seeing the harm, those crying here for the water, the mothers who want their daughters

1385
01:53:54,410 --> 01:54:01,910
and sons to touch this water, you and I don't have to be scientists to know that we will die

1386
01:54:01,910 --> 01:54:09,090
without clean water. Not only the water, but the air, not only the air, but the invisible magnetic

1387
01:54:09,090 --> 01:54:14,290
things that are going through this room, each other right now that we know, cause cancer,

1388
01:54:14,710 --> 01:54:22,470
cause disease, cause harm. And so I'm asking you, please say no to this data center, give more jobs

1389
01:54:22,470 --> 01:54:25,430
to your communities through more sustainable practices,

1390
01:54:26,190 --> 01:54:28,610
y'all make so much money through all the people

1391
01:54:28,610 --> 01:54:32,150
that come here every year to float on this water

1392
01:54:32,150 --> 01:54:36,230
and look at it and take pictures of the beauty of St. Markos

1393
01:54:36,230 --> 01:54:38,630
do not be part of the legacy.

1394
01:54:39,250 --> 01:54:41,650
That spoils it.

1395
01:54:42,210 --> 01:54:45,190
That water has been prayed over for thousands and thousands

1396
01:54:45,190 --> 01:54:47,910
of years in my ancestor Edward Burlison,

1397
01:54:48,270 --> 01:54:49,650
wherever he was in his space.

1398
01:54:49,870 --> 01:54:51,330
He was part of that dam.

1399
01:54:51,330 --> 01:54:57,010
that before that was Ocarita Dan, that was Edward Brooks and Dan, and while he made harm

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01:54:57,010 --> 01:54:59,470
on the native communities, he, that Dan.

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01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:11,980
We have the only sacred wild rice in Texas. Only in clean waters can this grow. There have been this good medicine in all of these waters.

1402
01:55:12,860 --> 01:55:22,580
And so we need each other as cities to gather and protect our water, our energy, and give real true jobs to our unions.

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01:55:23,580 --> 01:55:27,640
Why aren't we making more money and being able to live?

1404
01:55:27,700 --> 01:55:30,740
Why do we have to fight for a hundred people to make that money?

1405
01:55:31,060 --> 01:55:37,580
When there's thousands of people who are going to lose out on water on their life, on their peace,

1406
01:55:38,940 --> 01:55:42,580
that's not worth it. That will never be worth it.

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01:55:43,780 --> 01:55:46,080
Thank you. Thank you for hearing me.

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01:55:46,460 --> 01:55:51,960
Thank you for letting it touch your heart and just know money will never feed us

1409
01:55:51,960 --> 01:56:02,520
When money is gone, we will be here, the water will be here, our ancestors will be here, and we all came from ancestors who care about the earth,

1410
01:56:02,840 --> 01:56:09,880
who know that God made not only us, but each green thing, each living being that is relying on this water.

1411
01:56:11,680 --> 01:56:20,820
There are better ways, there are more ways that we can come together, make great money, and not be a harm to each other.

1412
01:56:20,820 --> 01:56:22,200
Thank you.

1413
01:56:22,300 --> 01:56:22,700
Thank you.

1414
01:56:26,690 --> 01:56:27,010
Thank you.

1415
01:56:27,410 --> 01:56:27,830
Good evening.

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01:56:28,290 --> 01:56:29,530
Thank you for the opportunity to speak.

1417
01:56:29,950 --> 01:56:32,830
My name is Dr. Kristen Hook and I am a scientist.

1418
01:56:33,550 --> 01:56:38,490
I have a PhD in animal behavior and I'm actually running for Congress in our district

1419
01:56:38,490 --> 01:56:40,830
in the 21st Congressional District of Texas.

1420
01:56:41,570 --> 01:56:44,170
But most importantly, I'm a new resident of San Marcos.

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01:56:45,590 --> 01:56:49,870
And the scientific evidence of data centers is clear.

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01:56:49,870 --> 01:56:58,310
They pollute our water, they pollute our air, they are a public health nuisance, they

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01:56:58,310 --> 01:57:02,990
lead to sound that is a nuisance for residents.

1424
01:57:04,570 --> 01:57:10,290
And in terms of the public health costs, which are estimated across the country to be in

1425
01:57:10,290 --> 01:57:18,350
the range of $69 billion in public health costs, I ask you, and this body, what about

1426
01:57:18,350 --> 01:57:24,710
Those one in five Texans who don't have access to health care, what are those Texans going

1427
01:57:24,710 --> 01:57:27,270
to do, what are those San Marcos residents going to do.

1428
01:57:27,990 --> 01:57:33,050
We also know that these data centers is so many others have spoken before me, pointed out

1429
01:57:33,050 --> 01:57:34,290
our water guzzlers.

1430
01:57:34,630 --> 01:57:40,210
And I actually looked at the data earlier from the water sources that we have by my estimates

1431
01:57:40,210 --> 01:57:47,410
that looks like we're looking at competing for 20 to 30 percent of the water in San Marcos

1432
01:57:47,410 --> 01:57:53,930
with these AI centers, residents shouldn't have to compete with AI computing centers for water.

1433
01:57:54,230 --> 01:58:00,430
This is a very precious resource that we need to protect. And as to the issue with jobs,

1434
01:58:01,890 --> 01:58:09,590
we know that AI data centers don't create jobs, they destroy them. AI is going to take and replace

1435
01:58:09,590 --> 01:58:15,890
millions and millions and millions of jobs in our country, and this data center is going to help

1436
01:58:15,890 --> 01:58:23,110
do that. So I ask this body, who do you work for? Is it the billionaires who are going

1437
01:58:23,110 --> 01:58:29,370
to benefit from these systems? Or is it the residents that are going to be harmed by them?

1438
01:58:29,610 --> 01:58:30,710
Thank you.

1439
01:58:30,990 --> 01:58:31,410
Thank you.

1440
01:58:37,150 --> 01:58:41,910
My name is Jacob Allen. I'm going to make this short. I wasn't prepared to speak today,

1441
01:58:42,150 --> 01:58:45,730
but I wanted my voice to be heard. There are just a few things I wanted to reiterate.

1442
01:58:46,310 --> 01:58:48,930
One, I'm not paid to be here. I showed up on my own free will.

1443
01:58:50,070 --> 01:59:01,050
There are a lot of people outside that are on my side and we're all in this together and the people that didn't show up couldn't show up for other reasons such as work or they were unaware that it was happening tonight.

1444
01:59:02,370 --> 01:59:10,490
The big thing that I want to say is that I've been an avid outdoorsman my entire life. I love the outdoors. I love nature. I love this state.

1445
01:59:11,450 --> 01:59:21,250
And I just want to see, I want to see my children and my children's children continue to love and respect that space the way that I have.

1446
01:59:22,070 --> 01:59:33,910
So I beg y'all, please make the right choice and please make decisions that are going to benefit us and the long run rather than just a few people in this short term. Thank you.

1447
01:59:33,910 --> 01:59:34,850
Thank you.

1448
01:59:37,970 --> 01:59:38,290
Hi.

1449
01:59:38,490 --> 01:59:39,510
I'm Emma Gravel.

1450
01:59:39,590 --> 01:59:42,110
I've lived in St. Marcus for 11 years.

1451
01:59:42,250 --> 01:59:43,510
I own a home here.

1452
01:59:43,770 --> 01:59:45,270
I have three children in the schools here.

1453
01:59:45,350 --> 01:59:46,490
I pay taxes here.

1454
01:59:46,750 --> 01:59:48,750
I've shop small businesses here.

1455
01:59:49,270 --> 01:59:51,250
I work at a small business here.

1456
01:59:51,910 --> 01:59:53,650
So I'm very invested in this community.

1457
01:59:54,370 --> 01:59:59,970
And one of the things that makes this community worth being invested in is that we have a commitment.

1458
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:17,760
Two green spaces and two the environment. I'm also a biologist. I care very deeply about sandmarkas and it's green spaces and you have a choice to represent your constituents or to represent those people who don't live here.

1459
02:00:17,760 --> 02:00:19,320
Thank you.

1460
02:00:22,160 --> 02:00:22,640
Hi there.

1461
02:00:22,900 --> 02:00:24,020
My name is Sarah Winkfield.

1462
02:00:25,020 --> 02:00:25,460
I am.

1463
02:00:25,720 --> 02:00:28,620
I wasn't prepared to speak today, but I struggled a few things down.

1464
02:00:28,700 --> 02:00:32,660
I'd like to support all of the folks that have come before me that are also

1465
02:00:32,660 --> 02:00:36,020
Fellows and Martians that feel the same way that I do.

1466
02:00:36,660 --> 02:00:40,060
But first and foremost, I'd like to speak to you briefly as a former

1467
02:00:40,060 --> 02:00:49,100
Bostonite. Born and raised, I was disappointed to see how my city, my beautiful, weird city,

1468
02:00:49,500 --> 02:00:54,780
was taken over by technology. I watched that beautiful community lose its wonderful

1469
02:00:54,780 --> 02:01:00,580
weirdness. As a transplant, the soul of this city is the minimal tech, the beautiful spaces

1470
02:01:00,580 --> 02:01:10,040
and the care for the community members. As a transplant, I found the soul here that is that was,

1471
02:01:10,040 --> 02:01:20,480
It's carried by the water, it's carried by the people, the people have spoken, and not just with feeling, but with data and research to support their claims.

1472
02:01:22,080 --> 02:01:31,520
As a new community member in love with this town, I may not know much about water, but I am employed by the water and my colleagues are water and ecology experts.

1473
02:01:32,200 --> 02:01:37,840
I like to think in my role that I help them speak for the water, the way the Lorax speaks for trees.

1474
02:01:38,660 --> 02:01:41,380
The data centers are not ready for San Marcos.

1475
02:01:41,980 --> 02:01:46,200
They're not efficient enough to help us maintain our resources

1476
02:01:46,720 --> 02:01:50,140
to keep this town as beautiful as it is.

1477
02:01:50,860 --> 02:01:54,000
The community members have spoken and at this point I do believe

1478
02:01:54,000 --> 02:01:57,160
that it is a little bit wasteful to continually come back to this topic.

1479
02:01:57,980 --> 02:02:02,140
I thank you for your time and for listening to each and every one of us.

1480
02:02:02,140 --> 02:02:03,240
Thank you.

1481
02:02:07,220 --> 02:02:07,420
Hi.

1482
02:02:07,660 --> 02:02:08,000
Good evening.

1483
02:02:08,100 --> 02:02:10,200
My name is Amy Olivery.

1484
02:02:11,720 --> 02:02:15,880
I am a resident of San Marcos and I've loved San Marcos since I first moved

1485
02:02:15,880 --> 02:02:17,660
here from my undergrad in 2016.

1486
02:02:18,760 --> 02:02:24,120
I'm a National Resource Specialist by Trade and I grad student at Texas State now.

1487
02:02:26,340 --> 02:02:27,620
I'm just sorry.

1488
02:02:30,080 --> 02:02:32,920
I grew up playing outside and I really cherished the outdoors.

1489
02:02:32,920 --> 02:02:39,440
my whole career has been connecting people with the outdoors and growing up my mother was very

1490
02:02:39,440 --> 02:02:44,100
Catholic and there's one thing that's really ingrained in me and that's to love thy neighbor.

1491
02:02:45,580 --> 02:02:50,220
Water is life and this community is the most important thing that we have. We all know that this

1492
02:02:50,220 --> 02:02:56,100
is not environmentally sustainable and this data center is not in our best interest. I plead with you

1493
02:02:56,100 --> 02:03:00,700
to listen to your community here and please love thy neighbor and say no to this data center.

1494
02:03:02,420 --> 02:03:02,820
Thank

1495
02:03:07,590 --> 02:03:07,990
you.

1496
02:03:08,070 --> 02:03:08,770
Hello, everyone.

1497
02:03:09,450 --> 02:03:10,290
I'm Ben Aguayo.

1498
02:03:10,910 --> 02:03:13,930
I've led you to Sam Marcus from my life and I got you to Sam Marcus High School.

1499
02:03:14,310 --> 02:03:16,010
I kind of like go to UT Austin from a chemical engineering.

1500
02:03:16,970 --> 02:03:20,570
And as someone grew up low income and had a father who was a union member,

1501
02:03:20,830 --> 02:03:22,570
and had his family that mostly worked in construction.

1502
02:03:23,250 --> 02:03:25,850
I understand the union members saying that they want to have this project.

1503
02:03:26,470 --> 02:03:28,770
It's like they can have jobs and happen if it's.

1504
02:03:28,870 --> 02:03:30,970
But I want them to understand that.

1505
02:03:30,970 --> 02:03:36,010
There's a lot of stuff that the blue collar felt don't tend to see, which is that AI is a speculative bubble.

1506
02:03:36,230 --> 02:03:37,690
It's a lot of essential funding.

1507
02:03:38,150 --> 02:03:41,930
As in, if you just look at the dot com bubble, nothing that they're saying is actually promise.

1508
02:03:42,830 --> 02:03:47,210
Those benefits, those higher wages are just a carry on to stake that are leading you off a cliff.

1509
02:03:47,730 --> 02:03:52,050
So I kind of want to plead to the union members to reconsider their position to think, hey,

1510
02:03:52,310 --> 02:03:53,590
am I actually going to benefit from this?

1511
02:03:53,890 --> 02:03:56,570
Or am I just upon someone's gay rich quick scheme?

1512
02:03:56,850 --> 02:03:58,390
So I just kind of want to leave that out there.

1513
02:03:59,130 --> 02:03:59,930
Thank you very much.

1514
02:04:03,100 --> 02:04:09,000
My name is CJ Satina. I've been a resident of San Marcos since 2019 when I transferred

1515
02:04:09,000 --> 02:04:14,260
to Texas State and I graduated back in 2022 because I fell in love with community of

1516
02:04:14,260 --> 02:04:19,520
San Marcos and communities what we're seeing outside. We're seeing so many new faces. I'm

1517
02:04:19,520 --> 02:04:24,600
always here at City Council, heckling about whatever. Hot button issues going on but the fact

1518
02:04:24,600 --> 02:04:30,740
that we have so many new faces speaks to democracy and it's kind of ignorant in my opinion that

1519
02:04:30,740 --> 02:04:35,560
wanted to listen to the voice of a minority of folks that don't even live here.

1520
02:04:36,120 --> 02:04:40,620
As a union member, I understand the needs and struggles of why we have so many labor

1521
02:04:40,620 --> 02:04:41,760
people here.

1522
02:04:43,000 --> 02:04:47,820
I'm a union member, that's opposed to data centers, because I mean as the guy in front of

1523
02:04:47,820 --> 02:04:52,460
me spoke about, I mean at what cost, we know AI is going to come for so many jobs.

1524
02:04:52,640 --> 02:04:56,980
As somebody that was struggling to find a job earlier this year, AI is the enemy.

1525
02:04:56,980 --> 02:04:59,980
I mean, we have, I mean, you, a new age.

1526
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:06,400
Should be coming in a new bookies? I mean, that's, I think, enough, but the fact that we are wanting

1527
02:05:06,400 --> 02:05:12,660
to listen to a 1% of folks at what cost, at the cost of the environment, the area, we breathe,

1528
02:05:12,780 --> 02:05:18,500
the water redring, and even the health of people. The fact that they want to, they chose

1529
02:05:18,500 --> 02:05:24,160
San Marcos, and they want to build this on the historic east side, which is mostly brownfrox.

1530
02:05:24,420 --> 02:05:28,840
That speaks to environmental racism, and we need to call that out, and the fact that they chose

1531
02:05:28,840 --> 02:05:31,840
All the staff and members of the Board of the Board of the Board of the Board of the Board of the Board of the Board of the Board of the Board of the Board of the Board of the Board of the Board of the Board.

1532
02:05:33,580 --> 02:05:34,380
Thank you.

1533
02:05:38,250 --> 02:05:39,230
Yeah, we have to do it all.

1534
02:05:39,390 --> 02:05:41,570
My name is Josh with old, I'm a Sam Marcus resident.

1535
02:05:43,800 --> 02:05:45,080
I'm not much born and raised here.

1536
02:05:45,160 --> 02:05:48,020
I'll look there for last 25 years.

1537
02:05:49,640 --> 02:05:51,640
I'm going to throw out a couple of numbers, 906.

1538
02:05:52,880 --> 02:05:57,660
That's number of days that the Crystal Clear especially to what it did to us has been staged through

1539
02:05:57,660 --> 02:06:04,560
out of restrictions, another number for y'all, 30 million, it's never a gallons that this

1540
02:06:04,560 --> 02:06:12,760
data center would use over those 996 days. It's not worth it. I saw a new works in tech.

1541
02:06:13,160 --> 02:06:18,920
I've spent the last 12 years in an out of data centers. You know, things ranging from tier one,

1542
02:06:19,220 --> 02:06:26,300
although I have to tier four, that leverage some of the best tech that's out there, things like

1543
02:06:26,300 --> 02:06:30,680
waterless cooling as well as 100% renewable energy sources

1544
02:06:30,680 --> 02:06:32,360
for some of the data centers.

1545
02:06:33,460 --> 02:06:35,300
These people out here, these people in here,

1546
02:06:35,720 --> 02:06:36,840
and y'all are up here.

1547
02:06:37,140 --> 02:06:38,060
Y'all are here because y'all think

1548
02:06:38,060 --> 02:06:41,740
that this is a special city, that we, as the residents

1549
02:06:41,740 --> 02:06:43,380
of this town, deserve the best.

1550
02:06:44,520 --> 02:06:47,500
I'd ask y'all to ask Mr. Maybury if this data center

1551
02:06:47,500 --> 02:06:48,540
is going to be up to those standards.

1552
02:06:48,660 --> 02:06:50,080
If it's going to be waterless cooling,

1553
02:06:50,520 --> 02:06:51,920
it's going to be 100% renewable energy.

1554
02:06:52,520 --> 02:06:55,020
And when he tells you no, because it's not possible,

1555
02:06:55,020 --> 02:07:00,740
It's because it's not profitable and I asked the child to tell him to send this backspack and

1556
02:07:00,740 --> 02:07:06,060
Maybe he can drop off that union guy up in Austin on his way home. Thank you. Have a good day.

1557
02:07:06,200 --> 02:07:06,460
Thank you,

1558
02:07:09,110 --> 02:07:09,110
sir.

1559
02:07:09,590 --> 02:07:16,450
Hello, my name is Manio, a lot of Granados and I oppose any data center or any rezoning for data centers

1560
02:07:17,210 --> 02:07:22,850
We do not have the water for this data center. We're as the previous

1561
02:07:24,690 --> 02:07:31,370
Samarkis citizen said we're in a drought three restriction or policy for Samarkis.

1562
02:07:31,770 --> 02:07:34,910
If you go to five-mile dam, you see it's completely dry.

1563
02:07:35,090 --> 02:07:36,190
You go to Canyon Lake.

1564
02:07:36,230 --> 02:07:38,890
These are areas like right next to Samarkis.

1565
02:07:39,790 --> 02:07:45,170
This area from San Antonio to Austin is projected to go by 3,000,000 people by 2050.

1566
02:07:45,850 --> 02:07:47,630
There are going to be construction jobs.

1567
02:07:47,630 --> 02:07:53,110
I support union workers, but there are going to be construction jobs around here.

1568
02:07:56,350 --> 02:08:00,890
This city is not only the people of San Marcos, but also the river.

1569
02:08:01,650 --> 02:08:08,670
The river is a fragile ecosystem and any AI data center whether directly or indirectly

1570
02:08:08,670 --> 02:08:10,690
will affect it.

1571
02:08:11,250 --> 02:08:13,430
Please protect our river and our people.

1572
02:08:14,150 --> 02:08:14,850
Thank you.

1573
02:08:14,990 --> 02:08:15,370
Thank you.

1574
02:08:18,390 --> 02:08:19,690
Hello, my name is Marco Pena.

1575
02:08:19,690 --> 02:08:21,210
I live in San Marcos.

1576
02:08:21,570 --> 02:08:26,670
I oppose the data center as I believe we shouldn't destroy

1577
02:08:26,670 --> 02:08:28,390
and hurt our community to line the pockets

1578
02:08:28,390 --> 02:08:29,790
with a few business men and shareholders.

1579
02:08:31,570 --> 02:08:32,810
These people don't live here.

1580
02:08:32,810 --> 02:08:33,810
They don't care what will happen

1581
02:08:33,810 --> 02:08:35,990
about how they'll drain our water and crease

1582
02:08:35,990 --> 02:08:37,410
or our utility bills.

1583
02:08:37,870 --> 02:08:40,290
I urge you to put community over profits.

1584
02:08:41,130 --> 02:08:41,750
Thank you.

1585
02:08:44,920 --> 02:08:46,980
Hello, my name is Athena.

1586
02:08:47,360 --> 02:08:49,500
I am a resident of San Marcos.

1587
02:08:49,500 --> 02:08:58,560
I have lived here for about seven years, graduated from Texas State, and environmental studies, geography, resources, and minor and horticulture.

1588
02:08:59,620 --> 02:09:05,760
So there is not anywhere on Earth. I would have rather studied the environment. It is just the most perfect place on Earth.

1589
02:09:05,880 --> 02:09:10,180
I could have possibly imagined or wished to work to be here. And that's why I'm still here.

1590
02:09:10,940 --> 02:09:16,740
So I'm here to strongly oppose the reintroduction of data centers to our area once again.

1591
02:09:16,740 --> 02:09:27,660
I've come to realize that even if the data center used a couple gallons of our precious water a year, we still wouldn't want it here because of the risk.

1592
02:09:28,060 --> 02:09:35,160
It honestly sounds crazy and even to continue to even let us have these discussions as insulting when the decision should be obvious.

1593
02:09:35,160 --> 02:09:42,400
I believe in November this past fall, we were around 11 or 12 inches underneath our annual rainfall rate.

1594
02:09:42,760 --> 02:09:48,340
For some reason, Crystal Clear says that we're in stage three, but pretty sure we should be in stage four.

1595
02:09:48,980 --> 02:09:54,920
The other day, I was in the river and I broke down crying because I looked at my weight.

1596
02:09:55,080 --> 02:09:59,960
I was like, well, wait, hold on. The river is at my waist right now at girls.

1597
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:01,340
This is next year.

1598
02:10:03,440 --> 02:10:29,980
I have a picture in my phone where it was up to, let's say, my ribcage, like the top of my ribcage. So that's about a foot of water. So I really can't imagine about four years, another foot of water disappearing from the river. We don't have anything to share. We don't have the water. We don't have the resources. And I'm not really sure what time and so I'm just going to babble for a bit. But I don't have anything to share. We don't have the water. We don't have the resources. And I'm not really sure what time and so I'm just going to babble for a bit.

1599
02:10:29,980 --> 02:10:33,460
With this being said, let's see what was it like oh he also sophomore in college

1600
02:10:33,460 --> 02:10:39,580
We had the freeze so the entire grid shut down. So the idea that a data center would come here for our infrastructure is entirely

1601
02:10:39,580 --> 02:10:45,960
And fathomable as well because it literally failed. So I don't know what sort of stance. That's really

1602
02:10:45,960 --> 02:10:52,280
perpetuated on also the fact that the wild races here. I mean, I feel like that should be a

1603
02:10:52,280 --> 02:10:59,020
infringement on the endangered species act in general. I've always wondered how this was even possible at a federal level

1604
02:10:59,020 --> 02:11:00,900
but then, you know, we know what's going on.

1605
02:11:01,080 --> 02:11:04,480
But how is it possible that we're able to bypass

1606
02:11:04,480 --> 02:11:06,780
such a beautiful biodiversity place

1607
02:11:06,780 --> 02:11:09,760
that is seriously at risk right now,

1608
02:11:09,900 --> 02:11:11,520
like at terrifyingly low levels,

1609
02:11:11,940 --> 02:11:15,100
how we could even fathom bringing something

1610
02:11:15,100 --> 02:11:16,460
that would hurt it?

1611
02:11:16,740 --> 02:11:19,740
It's honestly beyond me, including the fact

1612
02:11:19,740 --> 02:11:21,900
that we have proposition A, which we just passed.

1613
02:11:22,120 --> 02:11:23,540
So as far as construction goes,

1614
02:11:23,920 --> 02:11:25,560
I'm sure that we're gonna be bringing in some income

1615
02:11:25,560 --> 02:11:27,960
by destroying that earth that we're destroying

1616
02:11:27,960 --> 02:11:31,340
with all the highway and 32 package highway lanes as well.

1617
02:11:32,160 --> 02:11:35,180
So, it's an absolutely horrible idea,

1618
02:11:35,300 --> 02:11:37,340
and I really hope that you guys oppose it.

1619
02:11:37,340 --> 02:11:39,740
I would love to see this place continue to flourish

1620
02:11:40,340 --> 02:11:43,480
the way that I knew it and I came here to know it

1621
02:11:43,480 --> 02:11:46,680
because this isn't sustainable, it's a lie,

1622
02:11:46,840 --> 02:11:47,800
it's all a lie, it's not sustainable.

1623
02:11:48,000 --> 02:11:50,660
Anyone saying that this is sustainable is wrong, thank you.

1624
02:11:50,960 --> 02:11:51,420
Thank you.

1625
02:11:54,000 --> 02:11:56,620
Hey guys, I'm Sam, I live six minutes down the street.

1626
02:11:58,060 --> 02:12:03,620
It took 1.8 billion years for the ground we were on to form in the way that we see it.

1627
02:12:03,800 --> 02:12:06,240
And every morning I go out for a walk I think, wow, it's so beautiful.

1628
02:12:07,080 --> 02:12:09,100
I hope everyone does as well.

1629
02:12:11,440 --> 02:12:16,700
It took, let's see, for 200,000 years humans have almost sapiens sapiens, that's everyone.

1630
02:12:17,780 --> 02:12:20,920
Everyone, we've been bearing our loved ones in places that we think are beautiful.

1631
02:12:23,460 --> 02:12:27,980
And 10 billion people have died and been buried in places that hopefully were beautiful.

1632
02:12:29,780 --> 02:12:38,180
And here, for 11,000 years, people have been living here right here, because I think it's beautiful, and they want their loved ones to be born and die here.

1633
02:12:40,180 --> 02:12:48,170
And in a hundred years, everyone, all of y'all, everyone, as listening to me, is going to be dead as well in the garden.

1634
02:12:49,710 --> 02:12:53,180
And I want to be buried somewhere beautiful.

1635
02:12:53,220 --> 02:13:02,880
I don't know if I'll be buried here, but I hope when you see this place and if you love it,

1636
02:13:03,040 --> 02:13:06,680
you hope that you will be buried somewhere that is not dry and poison in somewhere that's

1637
02:13:06,680 --> 02:13:07,400
beautiful and lush.

1638
02:13:07,820 --> 02:13:08,560
Thank you.

1639
02:13:12,200 --> 02:13:19,020
Hello, my name is Jordan Moser and happy new year and glad to be back repeating the same

1640
02:13:19,020 --> 02:13:24,180
that conversation. We could last year, guess 2025 was so great we just wanted to repeat it

1641
02:13:24,180 --> 02:13:32,220
again. But you know, I heard that the word of the year for 2025 was slop. So here's

1642
02:13:32,220 --> 02:13:37,900
to slop. I love all of the intelligent people who've come up here and spoken against this

1643
02:13:37,900 --> 02:13:47,520
plan, this insistence on infinite growth on a finite planet. I'm on a campaign to spread

1644
02:13:47,520 --> 02:13:54,820
more new vocab words, how about AI psychosis? Look it up. But, you know, I would love to

1645
02:13:54,820 --> 02:14:00,220
see 2026 have a new word. Okay, let me introduce you to a new concept. It might be new to you,

1646
02:14:00,260 --> 02:14:07,560
but it's a very old term. And it existed all over Turtle Island before colonization. And it's

1647
02:14:07,560 --> 02:14:15,640
Wendy Go. As a concept, the Wendy Go can apply to any person, idea, or movement, infected by a corrosive

1648
02:14:15,640 --> 02:14:22,080
drive towards self- and grandizing greed and excessive consumption, traits that slowly, that

1649
02:14:22,080 --> 02:14:28,100
so disharmony and destruction, if left unchecked. It is easy to see American colonialism

1650
02:14:28,100 --> 02:14:31,800
and manifest destiny as the cannibal monster that it is.

1651
02:14:32,900 --> 02:14:39,680
Wendy goes our agents of social cannibalism, who know no provincial or national borders,

1652
02:14:44,300 --> 02:14:44,700
all

1653
02:14:44,700 --> 02:14:47,920
The National Identity is relevant to this borderless horror.

1654
02:14:48,980 --> 02:14:52,860
Today, we learned that grock is going to be used by the US military.

1655
02:14:54,320 --> 02:14:59,960
The same LLM that is doing very heinous ethical violations of-

1656
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:08,320
Our young people and causing lots of suicides because of sexual exploitation. The creators of this

1657
02:15:08,320 --> 02:15:13,640
technology are either quitting and sounding the alarm or making sociopathic comments in public about

1658
02:15:13,640 --> 02:15:19,880
making fortunes off of the end of the world. Look it up. These AICEOs are enabled by

1659
02:15:19,880 --> 02:15:26,720
Meghammoniical billionaires to further their Wendigo campaign of disaster capitalism at the expense

1660
02:15:26,720 --> 02:15:28,180
of all life on Earth.

1661
02:15:29,180 --> 02:15:34,720
We are told about the endless inevitable march of technology forward, but I really really implore

1662
02:15:34,720 --> 02:15:41,160
you from the bottom of my heart, each one of you, really explore in your heart and think

1663
02:15:41,160 --> 02:15:46,680
in your mind, your intelligent mind, who benefits from this please, please pose the rezoning

1664
02:15:46,680 --> 02:15:51,380
and let's just end this conversation, because it's going to continue, but it doesn't have

1665
02:15:51,380 --> 02:15:52,360
to be in San Marcos.

1666
02:15:53,180 --> 02:15:53,880
Thank you.

1667
02:15:57,210 --> 02:15:57,410
Hi.

1668
02:15:57,410 --> 02:15:59,510
My name is Hadden Stoffer.

1669
02:15:59,850 --> 02:16:02,870
I'm an environmental science student at Texas State.

1670
02:16:03,730 --> 02:16:07,410
The Edwards Aquifer, as it is, is already being overpumped

1671
02:16:08,030 --> 02:16:10,070
and pretty bad drought right now.

1672
02:16:12,330 --> 02:16:15,830
There are a lot of environmentally sensitive sort of recharge zones,

1673
02:16:16,170 --> 02:16:19,770
all over San Marcos, and I think more construction

1674
02:16:20,510 --> 02:16:22,570
would just be a bad thing.

1675
02:16:26,430 --> 02:16:27,410
Thank you.

1676
02:16:27,850 --> 02:16:28,490
Thank you.

1677
02:16:32,270 --> 02:16:47,230
Declan Stevenson, I'm a chemistry and biology student at Texas State, and I heard someone else say earlier that this was a vocal minority, but like I had to wait like 15 minutes before I was even able to get in here, people are spilling out the doors.

1678
02:16:48,230 --> 02:16:56,770
Like, there's just so many people here that oppose this, I think like I came here with more talking points.

1679
02:16:56,770 --> 02:17:01,890
I've heard them all said, I think that shows how many people are here talking about this.

1680
02:17:02,530 --> 02:17:08,930
I also heard someone else say that John Mayberry said that this was going to create 50 jobs,

1681
02:17:08,970 --> 02:17:09,670
but that's not true.

1682
02:17:10,330 --> 02:17:13,950
He said 1250 until a council member pressed him on that.

1683
02:17:14,070 --> 02:17:21,110
And he was like, well, 1200 construction jobs, only 50 highest estimate permanent jobs.

1684
02:17:21,570 --> 02:17:23,850
So I think if he was deliberately misleading on that,

1685
02:17:23,850 --> 02:17:26,530
I'm sure there's other things he's deliberately misleading about.

1686
02:17:28,910 --> 02:17:30,810
I think, again, my voice is super shaky.

1687
02:17:31,650 --> 02:17:33,170
Like, I got a really care about something

1688
02:17:33,170 --> 02:17:36,090
to voluntarily public speak.

1689
02:17:36,670 --> 02:17:39,350
But yeah, that's about, that's all I got.

1690
02:17:40,030 --> 02:17:40,990
Thank you.

1691
02:17:46,330 --> 02:17:47,610
My name is Brooke Schumacher.

1692
02:17:47,650 --> 02:17:48,850
I live on Bishop Street.

1693
02:17:48,890 --> 02:17:51,170
I've been a resident here since 2022.

1694
02:17:51,790 --> 02:17:54,470
I have posed the building of a data center

1695
02:17:54,470 --> 02:17:56,870
in C limits not only now, but always.

1696
02:17:56,870 --> 02:18:02,330
I am a Texas State Geography major, I am educated about the realities of water scarcity.

1697
02:18:02,870 --> 02:18:08,390
I am a civil servant for this city, I plan and hopefully will continue residency here

1698
02:18:08,390 --> 02:18:12,130
beyond my school career depending on how things look.

1699
02:18:12,910 --> 02:18:20,450
I grew up in Houston and I grew up passing miles and miles of refineries all the time seeing

1700
02:18:22,410 --> 02:18:25,950
what technological innovation can look like.

1701
02:18:25,950 --> 02:18:34,350
When I came here, I fell in love with the accessibility and natural beauty of the environment and advocacy of the people to protect that environment.

1702
02:18:34,990 --> 02:18:38,250
I understand there are complexities and logistics and livelihoods to consider.

1703
02:18:39,130 --> 02:18:41,510
I, as a civil servant, have seen it firsthand.

1704
02:18:42,470 --> 02:18:46,250
Consider, please, what kind of city are we building?

1705
02:18:46,870 --> 02:18:48,610
Keep San Marcos beautiful.

1706
02:18:49,690 --> 02:19:04,970
I just want to point out that Exxon executives knew for a very long time what was wrong with continuing to push for petroleum to be used, what is wrong that we already don't know about still.

1707
02:19:05,530 --> 02:19:17,430
We know so many bad things about AI and data centers already and there is definitely more that we do not know about that is being hidden from the public and will continue to be hidden from the public until terrible things happen.

1708
02:19:17,430 --> 02:19:25,290
I started watching fallout recently in the future, post-Nuclear War, their money is backed by

1709
02:19:25,290 --> 02:19:34,150
water. I want to say when our spring has run dry, we will not be able to drink money. Every

1710
02:19:34,150 --> 02:19:39,410
circle I run in multiple circles around the city finds this consideration appalling and does

1711
02:19:39,410 --> 02:19:46,890
not support it. We are not a vocal minority. I also think that's a really ambitious plaque back there.

1712
02:19:46,890 --> 02:19:51,310
there are a lot of spaces for future people and if we are considering

1713
02:19:51,310 --> 02:19:57,450
a data center to be built here, I highly doubt we will be able to fill all of them in the future.

1714
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:05,200
The A.I. bubble is definitely going to collapse sometime soon.

1715
02:20:06,380 --> 02:20:07,960
Yeah, that's it. Thank you.

1716
02:20:07,960 --> 02:20:09,000
Thank you.

1717
02:20:09,840 --> 02:20:10,860
Sir, just one moment, please.

1718
02:20:11,100 --> 02:20:15,540
If I could ask a legal question, am I able to take a recess right now?

1719
02:20:15,620 --> 02:20:17,880
Or do we need to make sure we finish this such an item?

1720
02:20:23,530 --> 02:20:24,490
You may take a recess.

1721
02:20:24,950 --> 02:20:26,250
Okay, let's take a time and a recess.

1722
02:20:28,410 --> 02:20:29,810
15. There we go.

1723
02:20:30,390 --> 02:20:30,830
844.

1724
02:20:31,970 --> 02:20:34,150
If I could ask everybody to please calm down outside.

1725
02:20:34,150 --> 02:20:38,110
we do have an announcement that we need to make an interest of time. And so it asks anybody

1726
02:20:38,110 --> 02:20:41,770
in line if you are going to speak on the topic, please speak on something that has been

1727
02:20:41,770 --> 02:20:45,390
spoken of already, we are going to get to a point where we could possibly be entertaining

1728
02:20:45,390 --> 02:20:50,510
of recess to postpone this to the following day that is something we do not want to entertain.

1729
02:20:51,110 --> 02:20:55,610
So as you please, if you're in line, please just be responsible with your time and you're more

1730
02:20:55,610 --> 02:20:59,350
than welcome to speak, just please a responsible. Let's try not to duplicate the comments that

1731
02:20:59,350 --> 02:21:02,490
So if you please a stage of name, you have three minutes.

1732
02:21:07,820 --> 02:21:10,220
I'm here opposing data centers for San Marcos.

1733
02:21:10,840 --> 02:21:13,940
One of the things I wanted to touch on that I don't believe was touched on previously is

1734
02:21:13,940 --> 02:21:16,700
while I cannot speak directly for some of the first speakers that we had here

1735
02:21:16,700 --> 02:21:19,520
talking about their experience living across from these sites.

1736
02:21:20,080 --> 02:21:23,860
As somebody who recreates regularly, near River Ridge Parkway, near epic piping,

1737
02:21:24,260 --> 02:21:27,780
I can completely understand why there's no residential construction going on in that area.

1738
02:21:28,520 --> 02:21:32,160
So I implore you guys that to put a site similar to that in both

1739
02:21:32,160 --> 02:21:36,660
pollution creation, not necessarily water consumption, but necessarily sound creation.

1740
02:21:37,420 --> 02:21:45,900
Next to these residential sites is a terrible idea. Beyond that, I see that, I mean,

1741
02:21:46,600 --> 02:21:52,900
the very epitome of sustainability that I believe that we should represent as responsible

1742
02:21:52,900 --> 02:22:00,860
leaders in our community is something that does not represent this project. And so I think

1743
02:22:00,860 --> 02:22:06,720
something that while we've had a clear history of 10,000 years of occupation in this area and

1744
02:22:06,720 --> 02:22:11,100
this wonderful oasis that is near Hill Country and the Chihuahuan Desert border, I believe that

1745
02:22:11,100 --> 02:22:16,320
we should try and further that to another 10,000 years if possible. So thank you all for your time.

1746
02:22:16,540 --> 02:22:17,720
Thank you.

1747
02:22:20,090 --> 02:22:21,250
Hold up. Is that allowed?

1748
02:22:23,550 --> 02:22:26,950
Okay. I had to ask. Please say your name and three.

1749
02:22:27,230 --> 02:22:32,590
Hello. Yeah, my name is Joseph Morris. I live in St. Marcus since 1997. I went to St. Marcus High School.

1750
02:22:32,590 --> 02:22:35,050
I got a business degree from Texas State University.

1751
02:22:35,950 --> 02:22:41,270
I paid for my business degree by working on home renovation job sites, by working in mechanic

1752
02:22:41,270 --> 02:22:42,830
shops and by working in factories.

1753
02:22:44,350 --> 02:22:49,150
And having worked in factories, I think it's important that we think about how much, if

1754
02:22:49,150 --> 02:22:54,750
the goal is to create jobs, how much natural and public resources are we using per job created.

1755
02:22:55,930 --> 02:22:59,290
So this area has a manufacturing base.

1756
02:22:59,290 --> 02:23:06,110
we've got C-Fan epic piping, a thermon, we've got quite a few factories in this area that

1757
02:23:06,110 --> 02:23:10,290
are creating a lot of jobs, but they're not using as much resources per jobs created.

1758
02:23:10,770 --> 02:23:15,550
If our goal is to save water and also create jobs, I think there's better decision making

1759
02:23:15,550 --> 02:23:20,870
to make both into these data centers into our industrial landscape.

1760
02:23:22,390 --> 02:23:28,050
And then another thing to think about, I think one thing that is pretty obvious to me is that

1761
02:23:28,050 --> 02:23:32,370
These data centers aren't going to create long-term construction work.

1762
02:23:32,990 --> 02:23:37,230
We've got people talking about how they work in the construction industry and this will help them out.

1763
02:23:37,610 --> 02:23:42,830
However, I don't think there's going to be 50 years of construction jobs generated by these data centers.

1764
02:23:43,410 --> 02:23:49,650
I think it's a short-term benefit for the people who are seeking employment.

1765
02:23:49,650 --> 02:24:01,950
And I think that there's other ways where we can create economic value without using as much resources and hopefully benefit every goal here.

1766
02:24:02,270 --> 02:24:02,650
Thank you.

1767
02:24:06,270 --> 02:24:07,610
You can do that?

1768
02:24:07,930 --> 02:24:07,970
Yes.

1769
02:24:10,720 --> 02:24:11,580
My name is Amanda.

1770
02:24:11,840 --> 02:24:19,040
My family's been in San Marcos since the 70s and I graduated, but I had a natural resources degree.

1771
02:24:19,040 --> 02:24:25,660
I am against this abhorrent data center because when our Earth is inhabitable because of

1772
02:24:25,660 --> 02:24:29,820
overconsumption and greed, nobody will need jobs because we all will be dead.

1773
02:24:31,940 --> 02:24:37,860
I understand that there's been some repetition, but repetition comes when people don't

1774
02:24:37,860 --> 02:24:39,660
feel like they're being listened to.

1775
02:24:40,080 --> 02:24:41,760
So I would think about that.

1776
02:24:43,990 --> 02:24:46,290
I believe in conservation over corporate greed.

1777
02:24:46,290 --> 02:24:55,370
This land was set for conservation, it's such a slap in the face to anybody who is still caring when everything seems like it's falling apart

1778
02:24:55,370 --> 02:24:59,970
You know, we look to our local governments to maybe have a little less corruption and if this goes

1779
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:09,300
The way I fear it does, then we can't. I wanted to address the comments about our being disrespectful for clapping after a citizen speaks.

1780
02:25:10,240 --> 02:25:20,280
What I find disrespectful is the condescending dismissive willfully ignorant rhetoric to line one's pockets with blunt money.

1781
02:25:20,280 --> 02:25:28,200
Be respectful of our planet, be respectful of our residents, be respectful of your own comprehensive

1782
02:25:28,200 --> 02:25:29,060
plan.

1783
02:25:29,660 --> 02:25:31,400
That's a no-brainer to me.

1784
02:25:32,300 --> 02:25:34,820
If you want to talk about jobs, we should talk about jobs.

1785
02:25:35,460 --> 02:25:36,360
What is y'all's job?

1786
02:25:36,840 --> 02:25:39,420
It's to help the citizens of the city, right?

1787
02:25:39,960 --> 02:25:42,900
Not line your pockets with more money.

1788
02:25:43,760 --> 02:25:49,280
Do you want to be known as the council that ended the health of our city?

1789
02:25:49,560 --> 02:25:51,520
Think about that.

1790
02:25:52,160 --> 02:25:53,120
Thank you.

1791
02:25:57,720 --> 02:25:58,240
Good evening.

1792
02:25:58,980 --> 02:26:00,140
Honorable committee members.

1793
02:26:00,340 --> 02:26:01,380
My name is Amber Lensford.

1794
02:26:01,560 --> 02:26:02,860
I live here in San Marcos.

1795
02:26:03,680 --> 02:26:05,080
1312 Baylor Avenue.

1796
02:26:05,580 --> 02:26:07,200
I'm here tonight representing my family.

1797
02:26:07,420 --> 02:26:10,920
My two children and my husband who grew up here in San Marcos.

1798
02:26:10,920 --> 02:26:20,960
And we firmly oppose any decision to promote or allow a new data center to be developed here inside Markos indefinitely.

1799
02:26:22,820 --> 02:26:38,140
We all know by now that data centers put a huge strain on our energy grid and our water resources and community impact newspaper actually just published last year that we're already on track to run out of water within 30 years.

1800
02:26:38,780 --> 02:26:56,100
You know, within our lifetime, within the lifetime of our children, and so you have an extreme burden of choice here and a huge responsibility to be the ones that have a stay in that and how our water will be maintained or lost.

1801
02:26:56,100 --> 02:27:02,880
And so, when it comes to big corporations and big money coming in here saying that you can trust them

1802
02:27:02,880 --> 02:27:07,680
because they have the contracts and the resources, well look at Wimberley and Jacob's well,

1803
02:27:08,300 --> 02:27:13,020
where they lost millions in revenue in the past year due to Jacob's well-being closed,

1804
02:27:13,240 --> 02:27:20,180
meanwhile, aqua Texas is having no accountability because they have the money to not be accountable.

1805
02:27:20,720 --> 02:27:24,000
And so they said they would take a certain amount of water.

1806
02:27:24,340 --> 02:27:26,260
They took millions of gallons more.

1807
02:27:26,720 --> 02:27:28,780
And we all see that who live here.

1808
02:27:29,440 --> 02:27:31,380
We see how the blanket is dry.

1809
02:27:32,300 --> 02:27:33,660
And how Jacob's well is closed.

1810
02:27:35,080 --> 02:27:38,600
And as people who live here, we know our wealth comes from the river.

1811
02:27:39,240 --> 02:27:41,290
You know, sadly we have to say it like that.

1812
02:27:42,720 --> 02:27:46,120
But our livelihood and our love for this land comes from the river.

1813
02:27:46,120 --> 02:27:50,600
And so the choices that we make day-to-day make a big difference.

1814
02:27:50,960 --> 02:27:56,720
When Blanco, a community decided to put their waste water in the water.

1815
02:27:56,820 --> 02:28:00,940
And then there was discussing algal, bloom, and all the nasty things.

1816
02:28:01,280 --> 02:28:03,000
That was their choice that they made.

1817
02:28:03,140 --> 02:28:06,440
And thank God they eventually decided to undo that.

1818
02:28:06,560 --> 02:28:08,760
But this is a very serious decision.

1819
02:28:09,580 --> 02:28:12,180
And it may seem like, oh, it's worth it in the short run.

1820
02:28:12,180 --> 02:28:15,640
For the money, look what happened to those communities.

1821
02:28:16,380 --> 02:28:19,640
They actually lost tons in other ways.

1822
02:28:20,360 --> 02:28:23,220
And so if we really want to preserve the wealth

1823
02:28:23,220 --> 02:28:29,020
for our children to come, we need to prioritize the water first and foremost.

1824
02:28:29,940 --> 02:28:31,860
And opposing data centers is the bare minimum.

1825
02:28:31,940 --> 02:28:33,340
We need to do much more.

1826
02:28:33,780 --> 02:28:36,100
That statistic by community impact newspaper

1827
02:28:36,100 --> 02:28:38,580
didn't even include adding in data centers.

1828
02:28:38,580 --> 02:28:42,500
And so, even if we oppose data centers, we need to be doing more.

1829
02:28:43,080 --> 02:28:44,840
We need to be educating the community.

1830
02:28:45,040 --> 02:28:50,760
We need to be doing things systemically with how we treat the landscape, planting native plants,

1831
02:28:51,220 --> 02:28:56,120
you know, preserving the water we already have and being a lot smarter with how we're

1832
02:28:56,120 --> 02:28:56,540
developing.

1833
02:28:57,520 --> 02:29:01,520
And so, I hope you guys can make the right choice for all of our future generations,

1834
02:29:01,700 --> 02:29:04,140
all of the people that will come after us here.

1835
02:29:05,000 --> 02:29:05,640
Thank you.

1836
02:29:05,840 --> 02:29:06,280
Thank you.

1837
02:29:12,170 --> 02:29:17,230
Good evening planning and zoning commission. My name is No Brock and I live in the San

1838
02:29:17,230 --> 02:29:22,650
Marcus E.T.J. It's been a while since I've been here and I hope you're all doing pretty well.

1839
02:29:23,610 --> 02:29:27,810
I'm here to point out some potential misleading information that's in the presentation that

1840
02:29:27,810 --> 02:29:34,010
you're going to see later. On slide 22 there's a comparison of LUEs which are living unit

1841
02:29:34,010 --> 02:29:39,410
equivalents between a data center development and a residential development. It appears the goal

1842
02:29:39,410 --> 02:29:44,170
This slide is a point out that a data center will use less water than houses built on the same land.

1843
02:29:44,730 --> 02:29:52,390
While that may be true, a data center will take 235 living unit equivalents of water from San Marcos.

1844
02:29:53,630 --> 02:29:54,190
Excuse me.

1845
02:29:54,190 --> 02:29:59,950
L-U-E's are not actually supporting living units when they're...

1846
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:22,480
At a data center. If the property were developed for residential, the 557 or 819 LEDs would be supporting living units. And just in case you haven't figured this out yet, living units equal people. A vote for a preferred scenario map amendment here would be less water for residents in San Marcos.

1847
02:30:22,480 --> 02:30:33,740
In the PSA application, terminology is used to make it sound like light industrial zoning would be better than CD2.5 because the property next door is heavy industrial.

1848
02:30:35,140 --> 02:30:43,480
If this does become industrial, all of that, all that will do is move that industrial closer to the existing residents that are already in that area.

1849
02:30:43,480 --> 02:30:49,780
Just because heavy industrial is next door does not mean more industrial is needed.

1850
02:30:50,300 --> 02:30:54,960
That mindset leads to widespread industrial development clusters throughout the city.

1851
02:30:55,320 --> 02:30:57,280
It just keeps expanding and expanding.

1852
02:30:58,460 --> 02:31:03,680
The majority of the neighboring property is unzoned, ETA, not industrial.

1853
02:31:04,800 --> 02:31:10,060
Conservation, cluster, and commercial employment low, or both of the preferred scenario

1854
02:31:10,060 --> 02:31:17,000
designations when the smart terminal became a thing. Now we have over 700 acres of heavy industrial

1855
02:31:17,000 --> 02:31:24,860
with a promise from this city to make it over 2000. Don't do the same thing here. Vote no on this

1856
02:31:24,860 --> 02:31:30,680
preferred scenario map amendment and the Associated Zone. Thank you.

1857
02:31:35,130 --> 02:31:36,670
Hello planning and zoning commission

1858
02:31:36,670 --> 02:31:42,590
my name is Annie Donovan. I'm here to ask you to vote no on agenda items 4 and 5. The community

1859
02:31:42,590 --> 02:31:47,370
out here now to tell you that we don't want this. Don't throw away all the hard work that the

1860
02:31:47,370 --> 02:31:53,430
comprehensive plan oversight committee worked on. Additionally since I've been here, I've heard

1861
02:31:53,430 --> 02:31:58,050
many union workers tonight discuss how this construction of the single data center will give

1862
02:31:58,050 --> 02:32:04,570
them jobs. One thing I wanted to ask is what's going to happen to all those jobs once the data

1863
02:32:04,570 --> 02:32:10,150
centers built? The construction jobs are temporary. The negative effects of a data center

1864
02:32:10,150 --> 02:32:12,130
permanent. Thank you.

1865
02:32:12,230 --> 02:32:13,130
Thank you.

1866
02:32:17,140 --> 02:32:18,740
Hello, my name is Wiley LePort.

1867
02:32:19,280 --> 02:32:20,980
Thank you in advance for hearing me out

1868
02:32:20,980 --> 02:32:23,320
if any of my words resonate with you.

1869
02:32:24,520 --> 02:32:26,780
I'm a small business owner in New Rompools.

1870
02:32:27,220 --> 02:32:29,860
My home is Quail Run Drive St. Markos.

1871
02:32:31,120 --> 02:32:34,240
I try to think of any pros about having a data center

1872
02:32:34,240 --> 02:32:37,560
but all I worry is the horrendous causes and effects.

1873
02:32:38,320 --> 02:32:40,880
We live in a world where people prioritize convenience

1874
02:32:40,880 --> 02:32:42,500
rather than community.

1875
02:32:43,420 --> 02:32:49,220
Part of my livelihood is having a thriving business, more importantly, the pleasure of being rich

1876
02:32:49,220 --> 02:32:53,940
in life in terms of working with my animals around this beautiful space.

1877
02:32:55,040 --> 02:32:59,560
I wonder how my big animals, like my horse, is going to feel comfortable.

1878
02:33:01,600 --> 02:33:06,680
I've read data centers, vibrate, there are surrounding the areas affecting homes in livestock.

1879
02:33:06,680 --> 02:33:12,660
I fear of personal relocation and moving everything I built to have a comfortable environment.

1880
02:33:14,080 --> 02:33:16,580
Things are happening and breakneck speed already.

1881
02:33:17,860 --> 02:33:23,920
I don't know if this next part is allowed, but on behalf of my partner who is on call and cannot be here,

1882
02:33:24,780 --> 02:33:28,240
alignment in the San Marcos Maxwell area reaching to Austin.

1883
02:33:29,100 --> 02:33:31,840
I actually talked him into moving into this area,

1884
02:33:32,660 --> 02:33:40,540
And we both now want to leave depending on cause and effect, whether it's, he would get more money and all.

1885
02:33:41,720 --> 02:33:50,000
We've both already dreadfully solved the relocation, but are still crossing our fingers hanging on hope we can build to live richly again with their space and animals,

1886
02:33:50,240 --> 02:33:54,620
if San Marcos decides to drop such a strong moral that brings and keeps people here.

1887
02:33:55,260 --> 02:33:58,520
This decision really chooses where we build our home and family.

1888
02:33:59,580 --> 02:34:08,080
Again, that sounds like a soft story, but my heart needs San Marcos to continue to have safe moral.

1889
02:34:09,000 --> 02:34:10,360
And I am against the data centers.

1890
02:34:11,320 --> 02:34:11,900
Thank you.

1891
02:34:12,100 --> 02:34:12,780
Thank you.

1892
02:34:16,370 --> 02:34:19,610
Hello, my name is Karen Loper-Fito, a San Marcos resident.

1893
02:34:22,150 --> 02:34:24,730
And I would like to speak against the proposed data center.

1894
02:34:24,730 --> 02:34:35,610
I know you guys have heard all about how much water data centers use and how few jobs they provide after construction and how the immediate neighbors are strongly against the project.

1895
02:34:36,310 --> 02:34:44,550
And you asked for some new information so today I want to talk to you about a different and even more disturbing element that AI is adding to the situation.

1896
02:34:45,950 --> 02:34:49,310
Trigger warning for the audience I'm going to be talking about some intense subjects.

1897
02:34:50,110 --> 02:34:58,970
As of current date, grock the AI owned by Musk is making it available to the public to create deep fake news and undress anyone of any age.

1898
02:34:59,250 --> 02:34:59,970
And I'm going to say that in-

1899
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:04,560
Again, so you can think about the implications of that. Of any age,

1900
02:35:07,320 --> 02:35:08,680
and showing them nude or in revealing

1901
02:35:08,680 --> 02:35:13,380
of bikini with the click of a button, imagine you here on the city council vote against

1902
02:35:13,380 --> 02:35:17,740
the interest of your constituents and allow this to pass and imagine an image circulating

1903
02:35:17,740 --> 02:35:23,100
of you all sitting in these chambers completely undressed and photorealistic. Now to be clear,

1904
02:35:23,320 --> 02:35:29,380
I've never used AI, chat, GPT, X or any of these so-called technologies and wouldn't do something

1905
02:35:29,380 --> 02:35:36,200
like that. But I do know that women and young girls are committing suicide in increasing numbers

1906
02:35:36,200 --> 02:35:41,420
because non-consensual images are being created by men and boys mind you using our pressure

1907
02:35:41,420 --> 02:35:46,340
shrinking water and electricity to power these AI data centers to be able to make these images

1908
02:35:46,340 --> 02:35:52,420
and share them. This is the intersection of environmental rape and the continued disrespect of women's

1909
02:35:52,420 --> 02:35:58,840
bodies now via AI-generated public emulation rituals leading people to death. In addition to

1910
02:35:58,840 --> 02:36:03,240
those horrors, more and more stories are coming out about people who are going into chatGPT

1911
02:36:03,240 --> 02:36:07,820
and do psychosis and killing themselves or members of their families or their partners.

1912
02:36:08,420 --> 02:36:10,640
AI isn't just funny pictures and viral videos.

1913
02:36:11,060 --> 02:36:17,880
It's robbing us of jobs, culture, creativity, privacy, problem-solving skills, friends, critical

1914
02:36:17,880 --> 02:36:20,300
thinking, water, the list goes on.

1915
02:36:21,080 --> 02:36:23,660
So what world are you voting for?

1916
02:36:23,820 --> 02:36:28,600
For a few thousand dollars in the city budget, in all seriousness, what is the point of

1917
02:36:28,600 --> 02:36:31,420
when the river is dry and the bees have all died.

1918
02:36:31,920 --> 02:36:38,740
There's no planet B, so let's vote down this bogus plan by another desperate white man looking to make a dime off stolen land.

1919
02:36:39,200 --> 02:36:45,420
What I want you to consider when you catch your vote against this proposition is that you are voting for humanity,

1920
02:36:45,980 --> 02:36:51,000
you are voting for community, human and non-human, and this is literally life or death.

1921
02:36:51,440 --> 02:36:56,080
Thank you. That's what I had to say at an earlier as I haven't used up all my time.

1922
02:36:56,080 --> 02:37:02,400
I went to high society on the way here to fuel up before this talk and there was a kid's

1923
02:37:02,400 --> 02:37:06,100
coloring page and it is AI generated and the employees were complaining about it and I was

1924
02:37:06,100 --> 02:37:10,540
loudly complaining about it and there's a little thing that they obviously typed in, oh this

1925
02:37:10,540 --> 02:37:17,400
and that it says T-E-A-T rental, T-T rental. So you want to explain to your kids what a T is and you

1926
02:37:17,400 --> 02:37:22,540
can't hire someone to spell out to correctly. Thank you. Thank you.

1927
02:37:26,840 --> 02:37:28,060
I'm at Divers and Marcus

1928
02:37:28,060 --> 02:37:28,580
President.

1929
02:37:31,280 --> 02:37:34,860
I am praying and asking you all to do what's right for the San Marcos

1930
02:37:34,860 --> 02:37:41,780
residents and about no again. To this application to reason near residents and wildlife

1931
02:37:41,780 --> 02:37:46,560
and farms, I was surprised after your last vote this was on again. I hope you've all

1932
02:37:46,560 --> 02:37:51,620
had been on deeper into researching AI data centers as did our beloved Jim Graber. He's

1933
02:37:51,620 --> 02:37:56,360
spent a lot of extra time researching and found out how it takes electricity at 80,000

1934
02:37:56,360 --> 02:37:58,260
homes for one data center.

1935
02:37:58,560 --> 02:38:00,860
I watched a video of a family living near a data center.

1936
02:38:01,140 --> 02:38:02,200
They built near their home.

1937
02:38:02,320 --> 02:38:05,120
Their electric bill went from 200 a month to 400.

1938
02:38:06,180 --> 02:38:08,460
If you vote yes, then your vote will.

1939
02:38:08,700 --> 02:38:12,020
No question will cause extreme undue stress on thousands

1940
02:38:12,020 --> 02:38:15,420
of San Marcos families already stress from rising prices.

1941
02:38:16,200 --> 02:38:19,620
Data centers should be building their own electric sources.

1942
02:38:19,740 --> 02:38:21,980
You've heard over and over about the water loss

1943
02:38:21,980 --> 02:38:22,620
that will happen.

1944
02:38:22,620 --> 02:38:25,820
and you know, we are still in drought condition.

1945
02:38:26,560 --> 02:38:28,800
All the wildlife ranchers, goat farm,

1946
02:38:29,040 --> 02:38:30,420
beekeepers, and people will.

1947
02:38:30,540 --> 02:38:32,780
I stress will be negatively affected.

1948
02:38:33,960 --> 02:38:36,480
Your jobs are very important because your vote

1949
02:38:36,480 --> 02:38:38,980
can end up affecting thousands of residents.

1950
02:38:40,720 --> 02:38:44,260
I ask you to drop into your hearts and search for your vote.

1951
02:38:45,840 --> 02:38:50,460
Hearing from all of us that are counting on you to vote for the people,

1952
02:38:50,460 --> 02:38:51,960
the families and wildlife.

1953
02:38:52,960 --> 02:38:59,620
Not for a corporate entity that has proven no interest in respecting families while our

1954
02:38:59,620 --> 02:39:03,740
beautiful river otherwise they would not be trying to build in this farm area.

1955
02:39:04,500 --> 02:39:09,120
If they cared about towns and citizens they would build far away from families while life and

1956
02:39:09,120 --> 02:39:14,260
farms but no they are back. Please open your eyes and hearts and vote no.

1957
02:39:15,400 --> 02:39:22,580
Your no vote to resolve this family area is very important and does have great weight on the outcome.

1958
02:39:23,680 --> 02:39:31,860
Along with the no vote for approval of this project, please motion and approve as majority denial for once and for all.

1959
02:39:32,220 --> 02:39:34,520
And thank you for voting no and for the citizens.

1960
02:39:35,260 --> 02:39:35,980
Thank you.

1961
02:39:38,910 --> 02:39:39,370
Good evening.

1962
02:39:39,610 --> 02:39:40,390
My name is Jerry.

1963
02:39:41,150 --> 02:39:45,010
I've been a proud local 1095 member for almost 10 years now.

1964
02:39:45,010 --> 02:39:49,750
choose into join the union as one of the best decisions I've ever made.

1965
02:39:50,310 --> 02:39:56,510
Over the years, I've come truly appreciate not just the work we do, but the people we do it with.

1966
02:39:57,310 --> 02:39:59,950
What we do matters our work has helped strengthen our...

1967
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:06,140
Our communities and support the people who we depend on who depend on it. Knowing that our efforts

1968
02:40:06,140 --> 02:40:12,340
make a real difference is something I take a lot of pride in, and in return the union has

1969
02:40:12,340 --> 02:40:17,780
done great things for me as well, giving me opportunities, stability, and a sense of belonging.

1970
02:40:18,880 --> 02:40:23,440
I've enjoyed every chapter of the journey so far, and I look forward to continuing it.

1971
02:40:24,380 --> 02:40:29,980
I plan to stay with the local 1095 until the day I retire, and I'm thankful to be part

1972
02:40:29,980 --> 02:40:33,320
of something that truly stands for its members.

1973
02:40:34,080 --> 02:40:38,480
With that said, I ask you to support the Data Center project

1974
02:40:38,480 --> 02:40:41,420
because of the opportunities it will provide

1975
02:40:41,420 --> 02:40:43,580
and create here in Senate Marcus.

1976
02:40:44,340 --> 02:40:45,280
Thank you, with respect.

1977
02:40:49,440 --> 02:40:50,660
Good evening, commissioners.

1978
02:40:50,960 --> 02:40:52,000
My name is Ron and Conroy.

1979
02:40:52,460 --> 02:40:54,660
I'm here to support the Data Center's owning request

1980
02:40:54,660 --> 02:40:56,780
because it creates real career opportunities

1981
02:40:57,400 --> 02:40:59,860
and helps working families and Sam Marcos.

1982
02:41:00,080 --> 02:41:00,760
Thank you for your time.

1983
02:41:06,330 --> 02:41:16,210
Good evening, my name is Moira. I live here. All I can hear of the proposed benefits of this project is jobs.

1984
02:41:17,330 --> 02:41:20,250
I'm a musician and an artist. I work in the creative sector.

1985
02:41:20,990 --> 02:41:26,210
And I've been watching a lot of creative jobs disappear to AI, which is a great concern of mine.

1986
02:41:26,710 --> 02:41:30,870
My best friend is a teacher as well. And she's up to her neck.

1987
02:41:30,870 --> 02:41:34,170
in assignments that are clearly made using AI.

1988
02:41:35,370 --> 02:41:37,770
And I can imagine in the university as well

1989
02:41:37,770 --> 02:41:39,150
it's been a large frustration

1990
02:41:39,150 --> 02:41:41,010
to both the teachers and the students

1991
02:41:41,010 --> 02:41:43,590
who are having difficulty clarifying

1992
02:41:43,590 --> 02:41:48,010
whether or not their work is AI or just proper punctuation.

1993
02:41:49,410 --> 02:41:50,490
And when it comes to opportunities,

1994
02:41:51,550 --> 02:41:55,550
I think that we as a city have a golden opportunity

1995
02:41:55,550 --> 02:41:57,730
to honor the character of this town,

1996
02:41:58,090 --> 02:41:59,330
which is a river town.

1997
02:41:59,330 --> 02:42:04,950
And set an example to the nation and to the world by standing up for the springs and the

1998
02:42:04,950 --> 02:42:11,530
aquifer that are the reason that this town exists in the face of a new industry which we

1999
02:42:11,530 --> 02:42:15,250
don't fully yet understand the implications of.

2000
02:42:15,690 --> 02:42:19,650
And the implications that we've found so far don't seem to be very healthy for the population.

2001
02:42:20,610 --> 02:42:27,350
I hope that you will take the opportunity to stand with your citizens, the overwhelming majority

2002
02:42:27,350 --> 02:42:33,770
if I don't believe would be working to build this project or working at it and don't make your

2003
02:42:33,770 --> 02:42:38,990
decision based on money, but on the representation of your citizens. Thank you for your time.

2004
02:42:39,610 --> 02:42:40,090
Thank you.

2005
02:42:46,050 --> 02:42:49,010
Hi, my name is Blake Cohen. I'm a Sam Marcus resident.

2006
02:42:50,050 --> 02:42:56,010
A lot has been sent here tonight. I'm not going to redo what they've already said. I'll just point

2007
02:42:56,010 --> 02:43:03,010
out the Houston Advanced Research Council says that for every megawatt hour of energy produced,

2008
02:43:04,330 --> 02:43:08,330
793 gallons will actually be needed to produce that energy.

2009
02:43:08,850 --> 02:43:13,870
This puts the data center according to the specifications that they have brought.

2010
02:43:14,550 --> 02:43:21,250
That means that it will use up to over 798,000 gallons of water per hour.

2011
02:43:22,850 --> 02:43:26,730
But really, this is more of a question of who are you listening to?

2012
02:43:26,730 --> 02:43:27,990
Are you listening to the money?

2013
02:43:28,410 --> 02:43:29,590
Are you listening to the people?

2014
02:43:29,590 --> 02:43:33,510
And I think that that's an important, I think that John should sit with that.

2015
02:43:33,910 --> 02:43:34,910
Thank you.

2016
02:43:35,050 --> 02:43:36,070
Thank you.

2017
02:43:38,330 --> 02:43:38,810
Good evening.

2018
02:43:38,850 --> 02:43:39,970
My name is James Pustle.

2019
02:43:39,990 --> 02:43:41,210
I live in the city of Kirby.

2020
02:43:42,430 --> 02:43:47,250
I'm a parent to urge this council and this wisdom to approve this project.

2021
02:43:47,530 --> 02:43:51,990
I feel that this project will promote prosperity and progress in the 40 year

2022
02:43:51,990 --> 02:43:53,290
citizens of San Marcos.

2023
02:43:53,910 --> 02:43:57,870
In closing, I'd just like to say that the union provides school labor.

2024
02:43:57,870 --> 02:44:02,270
We're very, very, very good benefits of pension and health and welfare.

2025
02:44:02,950 --> 02:44:05,490
And close again, I would just like to support this project.

2026
02:44:05,670 --> 02:44:06,150
Thank you.

2027
02:44:06,410 --> 02:44:07,270
Thank you.

2028
02:44:11,610 --> 02:44:13,250
Hi, my name is Jennifer Corboy.

2029
02:44:13,770 --> 02:44:15,430
Thank you for the opportunity to speak.

2030
02:44:15,570 --> 02:44:16,530
I am a Texas resident.

2031
02:44:17,790 --> 02:44:24,650
This project represents a real and timely opportunity for working families, particularly women in the trades.

2032
02:44:25,690 --> 02:44:27,110
These jobs provide benefits.

2033
02:44:27,110 --> 02:44:32,350
and I've seen firsthand how initiatives like this do more than create jobs.

2034
02:44:32,690 --> 02:44:37,910
They create stability, career pathways, and long-term economic mobility.

2035
02:44:39,350 --> 02:44:43,190
When women are given access to quality work, training, and supportive job sites,

2036
02:44:43,730 --> 02:44:51,370
the impact extends for far beyond the individual. Families gain financial security,

2037
02:44:51,970 --> 02:44:56,790
workplace becomes stronger and communities benefit from skilled and committed

2038
02:44:56,790 --> 02:44:57,530
workforce.

2039
02:44:58,390 --> 02:44:59,970
Supporting this project is an investment.

2040
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:12,200
assessment in people and along and long-term results. I strongly encourage the board to support this project and the opportunity it provides for workers, families, and the future of this community. Thank you.

2041
02:45:12,560 --> 02:45:13,180
Thank you.

2042
02:45:23,290 --> 02:45:34,690
My name is Louis Schwartz. I've looked at my whole life, and I've posed the data center. Folks have done a beautiful job touching on, perhaps the more noble reasons to oppose it.

2043
02:45:34,690 --> 02:45:46,690
But if we're considering profits, I just want to say that it doesn't have to be a choice between creating jobs and what the people want, because you can have both.

2044
02:45:48,050 --> 02:45:53,670
Like, our entire tourism industry is the river. People don't come here to see a data center.

2045
02:45:55,210 --> 02:45:58,390
So, they come here for the river. And if we don't have the river people aren't coming.

2046
02:45:58,390 --> 02:46:02,770
So, I just think like what will create more local jobs.

2047
02:46:04,010 --> 02:46:07,730
One data center or the entire tourism industry of the city.

2048
02:46:08,190 --> 02:46:09,330
Thank you so much for your time.

2049
02:46:09,710 --> 02:46:10,590
Thank you.

2050
02:46:15,220 --> 02:46:16,940
Hello, my name is Kira Utter.

2051
02:46:17,180 --> 02:46:21,400
I live at 1-2-1 Cronic Avenue here in Samarkis, Texas.

2052
02:46:22,180 --> 02:46:25,920
And I was also here a little less than a year ago,

2053
02:46:26,100 --> 02:46:28,120
also speaking out against this proposition,

2054
02:46:28,540 --> 02:46:31,200
is a little bit disappointing that I do have to be back.

2055
02:46:31,200 --> 02:46:39,180
But I can't say much that hasn't already been said, but I would like to highlight the difference between those who are four and against

2056
02:46:39,180 --> 02:46:45,400
more specifically those who live here who are speaking against this and those who don't who are speaking for this.

2057
02:46:46,540 --> 02:46:57,760
Workers and working class people should not be pitted against each other, but that is clearly what is happening here, but it is not them or even us who is winning.

2058
02:46:57,760 --> 02:47:03,540
This is a top versus bottom problem who is actually winning with this data center

2059
02:47:03,540 --> 02:47:09,120
and not the citizens and not the workers, but it is in fact that top class of money.

2060
02:47:09,760 --> 02:47:15,640
People who are making the most money in the world and it's definitely not the people who live here.

2061
02:47:16,340 --> 02:47:20,010
A vote for this data center is a vote against the city and its citizens.

2062
02:47:20,980 --> 02:47:27,740
I know you all are probably falling asleep up there, but I implore you all to listen to your people and be an accurate reflection of our citizens.

2063
02:47:27,740 --> 02:47:29,680
of the people who actually live here.

2064
02:47:30,080 --> 02:47:33,440
And this conversation does extend beyond the people.

2065
02:47:33,620 --> 02:47:37,580
It is for the wildlife and the ecosystems and the natural river

2066
02:47:37,580 --> 02:47:39,900
that has attracted people for thousands of years

2067
02:47:39,900 --> 02:47:44,800
and will hopefully be able to continue garnering beautiful crowds

2068
02:47:44,800 --> 02:47:49,460
to give them a chance to experience this beautiful wildlife

2069
02:47:49,460 --> 02:47:52,660
that myself and some people have that urge people

2070
02:47:52,660 --> 02:47:54,380
to speak out against it.

2071
02:47:54,580 --> 02:47:56,340
It's a very strong feeling that we're all feeling.

2072
02:47:56,340 --> 02:48:02,580
So please vote to know for this data center and I hope I don't have to be back here.

2073
02:48:02,960 --> 02:48:03,340
Thank you.

2074
02:48:04,480 --> 02:48:05,640
Thank you.

2075
02:48:09,820 --> 02:48:10,980
I'm Brandon Blocker.

2076
02:48:11,220 --> 02:48:14,440
I live here in San Marcos on 2-3 Fairfax.

2077
02:48:14,860 --> 02:48:16,480
I work in New Bromble's Texas.

2078
02:48:17,480 --> 02:48:22,500
And I just want to reiterate that I'm the water problem with the data centers pretty unique because

2079
02:48:23,120 --> 02:48:27,840
unlike farming or something where water goes back to the community data centers.

2080
02:48:28,680 --> 02:48:35,060
It uses up the water and then it evaporates and then they pollute the water and it doesn't

2081
02:48:35,060 --> 02:48:39,600
go back to the river at any point in time so when you take it away it doesn't necessarily

2082
02:48:40,280 --> 02:48:44,960
get recycled or anything like that when it evaporates it moves farther down and when you're

2083
02:48:44,960 --> 02:48:51,060
using water day and day out it's going to cause a problem and we'd like to use that for

2084
02:48:51,060 --> 02:48:54,380
better infrastructure that's going to be like you know something.

2085
02:48:54,380 --> 02:48:57,260
I recall it's related, and that's all I have to say.

2086
02:48:57,800 --> 02:48:58,560
Thank you.

2087
02:49:05,250 --> 02:49:05,990
Good evening.

2088
02:49:06,230 --> 02:49:06,550
Good evening.

2089
02:49:07,190 --> 02:49:09,310
My name is Frank and I live in New Bromfels,

2090
02:49:09,470 --> 02:49:13,330
just 25 minutes down the 35 on a good day.

2091
02:49:17,210 --> 02:49:22,250
I've been a member of the Lyona family for just over 12 years

2092
02:49:22,250 --> 02:49:25,130
and during that, my family has grown into five.

2093
02:49:26,770 --> 02:49:29,010
I'm here this evening to share the importance

2094
02:49:29,010 --> 02:49:36,530
and what are the importance and I want to show my support for the Data Center Zoning

2095
02:49:36,530 --> 02:49:37,050
request.

2096
02:49:37,690 --> 02:49:44,970
This project creates construction, careers, not just temporary jobs, as so many people have

2097
02:49:44,970 --> 02:49:45,710
said so far.

2098
02:49:47,490 --> 02:49:54,270
The phrase union standards means training, apprenticeships, huge family supporting wages,

2099
02:49:54,850 --> 02:49:55,330
and benefits.

2100
02:49:55,330 --> 02:49:59,490
These are crucial, so local workers can build.

2101
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:03,120
Long-term futures, strong jobs,

2102
02:50:06,320 --> 02:50:16,000
and if the strong jobs lead to safer work sites, skilled labor, and stronger communities, in short,

2103
02:50:18,120 --> 02:50:23,060
union work, builds America, and we will build San Marcos.

2104
02:50:26,030 --> 02:50:31,690
I support this project and I ask you to do the same. Thank you for your time and consideration. I have a wonderful life.

2105
02:50:33,350 --> 02:50:34,230
Thank you.

2106
02:50:40,980 --> 02:50:45,960
My name is Lazarus Faskas, and as you've heard from the majority of this room, I'm vehemently

2107
02:50:45,960 --> 02:50:47,420
against these AI data centers.

2108
02:50:48,280 --> 02:50:50,320
What could I say that hasn't already been said tonight?

2109
02:50:50,660 --> 02:50:54,800
How these data centers guzzle our water, disturb us with the greatest noise, and pollute

2110
02:50:54,800 --> 02:50:59,200
the nature of Samarko's pride to self-worth, offer this sake of fitness misinformation

2111
02:50:59,200 --> 02:51:01,380
and cobbled together by a machine.

2112
02:51:02,380 --> 02:51:06,860
If not things more sinister, I refrain to mention in this building, but y'all should

2113
02:51:06,860 --> 02:51:08,440
that no one I'm talking about.

2114
02:51:09,160 --> 02:51:11,940
How they promise unsustainable jobs that'll

2115
02:51:11,940 --> 02:51:13,860
fizzle away as quickly as a water level,

2116
02:51:14,580 --> 02:51:18,120
how the heads of these data centers have no care,

2117
02:51:18,320 --> 02:51:20,620
no love for San Marcos North people,

2118
02:51:20,980 --> 02:51:23,880
only the money and resources they can take from us.

2119
02:51:24,280 --> 02:51:26,860
You've heard these things, hopefully no these things.

2120
02:51:27,520 --> 02:51:29,460
I hold their respect to now our city council

2121
02:51:29,460 --> 02:51:31,200
as aware of the people you represent,

2122
02:51:31,680 --> 02:51:34,120
of the crowd behind me and further outside.

2123
02:51:34,680 --> 02:51:35,720
You know what you want,

2124
02:51:35,720 --> 02:51:42,000
we're telling you what we want directly, we don't want these data centers, we want our town

2125
02:51:42,000 --> 02:51:47,520
and our dignity as Sam Martians to be respected. First it comes into our town, next it comes

2126
02:51:47,520 --> 02:51:51,380
out of our taps. Thank you for your time. Thank you.

2127
02:51:57,700 --> 02:51:59,280
You're meeting everyone. My name is Jessica

2128
02:51:59,280 --> 02:52:06,000
Modena and I am here to represent myself and my husband who could not be here tonight. We are residents

2129
02:52:06,000 --> 02:52:11,840
of this community, we also work here, and we're homeowners in this community as of 2022.

2130
02:52:13,100 --> 02:52:17,800
I had prepared to share all kinds of reasons that have already been shared tonight about

2131
02:52:17,800 --> 02:52:25,980
why my husband and I oppose the zoning changes for this data center project, but again,

2132
02:52:26,100 --> 02:52:31,160
I want to save the time for others and get us all back home tonight, and so I'm deciding

2133
02:52:31,160 --> 02:52:33,640
to share some things kind of off the cuff.

2134
02:52:34,420 --> 02:52:38,960
I think the first thing I wanted to share is that we have extended family and El Paso

2135
02:52:38,960 --> 02:52:43,820
Texas who have been impacted and their water crisis there has already been exacerbated

2136
02:52:43,820 --> 02:52:48,660
by the metadata centers and so we're seeing this and we've heard from many people already

2137
02:52:48,660 --> 02:52:55,640
about what these environmental impacts will be and I want to share some additional cooperation

2138
02:52:55,640 --> 02:53:01,420
with something current set earlier today. I am a domestic and sexual violence advocate as well

2139
02:53:01,420 --> 02:53:03,880
and I can attest to everything that has been shared by

2140
02:53:03,880 --> 02:53:06,020
Corinthians testimony today and all of the things

2141
02:53:06,020 --> 02:53:09,560
and damages we're seeing to our young people in particular

2142
02:53:09,560 --> 02:53:12,880
with regard to AI and all of the things

2143
02:53:12,880 --> 02:53:14,460
that folks are able to do now.

2144
02:53:15,040 --> 02:53:17,880
But I also want to share something because I have a

2145
02:53:17,880 --> 02:53:20,760
deep relationship and connection to construction workers

2146
02:53:20,760 --> 02:53:23,660
and I want to share stories from that perspective

2147
02:53:23,660 --> 02:53:26,520
as we're hearing from all of the labor union folks here

2148
02:53:26,520 --> 02:53:27,000
tonight.

2149
02:53:27,840 --> 02:53:30,700
My father, my grandfather, they built this state.

2150
02:53:30,700 --> 02:53:37,900
And I deeply respect the work that our labor folks are doing for us to keep our cities running.

2151
02:53:39,380 --> 02:53:47,520
A couple years ago, Elon Musk came into the Austin community to build things for Tesla and build a big Tesla empire here in Texas.

2152
02:53:48,100 --> 02:53:54,640
One of the young people that I love and care about here in San Marcos was a welder and went on to work for the Tesla company.

2153
02:53:54,640 --> 02:54:07,040
And it worked out really well for many years for him, but just like we're hearing tonight those jobs aren't going to last and what happened to this young man is he was laid off after about two to three years of making really good money.

2154
02:54:07,820 --> 02:54:18,560
And guess what, he's back here now. So I admire and love that you all are unionized, but I also want to say that that does not make long-term jobs here in San Marcos.

2155
02:54:18,560 --> 02:54:26,480
Okay, it just doesn't and what we'll see is similar to every other developer who who sells us these lies

2156
02:54:26,480 --> 02:54:28,980
and sells us these intentions for our communities

2157
02:54:28,980 --> 02:54:34,960
but the reality is once they get what they need from us, those promises are not going to be kept

2158
02:54:34,960 --> 02:54:38,200
and these promises are not going to be upheld.

2159
02:54:38,620 --> 02:54:41,500
And so we've seen that happen with other projects in our state.

2160
02:54:41,620 --> 02:54:45,920
We are going to see that happen here if you all allow this zoning change to continue.

2161
02:54:45,920 --> 02:54:49,960
You've heard from us time and time again, we do not want this here.

2162
02:54:50,100 --> 02:54:54,380
We do not want this in our sacred community and to impact our sacred waters.

2163
02:54:54,940 --> 02:54:59,780
Please, please, hear our cries, and please, please know that this is not what we want.

2164
02:55:04,560 --> 02:55:15,060
Hi, my name is Laura Day. I grew up in the Dallas area and got out of there as quickly as I could. At 18, I came to equate my home state with a culture that was above all fiercely disrespectful to the environment.

2165
02:55:16,240 --> 02:55:19,600
I sent my child in and out of emergency rooms because I had that asthma.

2166
02:55:20,200 --> 02:55:30,260
As about enough that a young child threatened my life. As with it, no to help was exacerbated if not caused by the fact that my child had homes at under the flight pass of DFW Airport.

2167
02:55:30,780 --> 02:55:38,100
I respect the union folks here trying to support their family, but I would encourage them to do a little research into what this center would mean for CO2 emissions.

2168
02:55:38,560 --> 02:55:43,740
And if it's really worth it to take a paycheck that a lot in the long run makes it harder for your kids to breathe.

2169
02:55:44,600 --> 02:55:51,700
I hold back in love with my home state and part because I found in South Texas a culture that respected the land in a way North Texas has failed to do so.

2170
02:55:51,980 --> 02:55:55,220
You also think social down here and I hope you continue to respect it.

2171
02:55:55,220 --> 02:55:56,360
Thank you.

2172
02:55:59,000 --> 02:56:00,620
Hi, my name is Brenda Hatinger.

2173
02:56:01,180 --> 02:56:04,540
I moved to Sandmarkis, actually just in September.

2174
02:56:05,440 --> 02:56:13,060
My decision to move here was based on your decision in March to retire from teaching after

2175
02:56:13,060 --> 02:56:15,860
37 years and to move to Sandmarkis.

2176
02:56:15,980 --> 02:56:19,620
It's something that I've been wanting to do since I was 17 years old.

2177
02:56:19,880 --> 02:56:22,680
I moved here for many reasons.

2178
02:56:22,680 --> 02:56:28,620
the river being one of the greatest reasons and the natural resources and also the people in

2179
02:56:28,620 --> 02:56:36,260
the community are very friendly and supportive and I feel at home here, I'm very happy here.

2180
02:56:36,820 --> 02:56:44,820
What I'm not happy to hear is that you want to go in and not y'all but big companies go in,

2181
02:56:45,060 --> 02:56:50,540
I lived in Katie, I saw the industry come in, you lost your lights, you didn't get to see

2182
02:56:50,540 --> 02:56:56,020
the stars at night, I mean, it's here for peace and quiet and also for the structure that

2183
02:56:56,020 --> 02:57:01,840
you do have a lot of infrastructure already here, medical infrastructure that can support

2184
02:57:01,840 --> 02:57:10,520
families. And I just pray and hope that you vote against this. It's just not right for

2185
02:57:10,520 --> 02:57:13,540
San Marcus. Thank you. Thank you.

2186
02:57:17,640 --> 02:57:18,040
Thank you.

2187
02:57:18,120 --> 02:57:23,940
My name is Justin James Bridges. First of all, I do have to express my disappointment

2188
02:57:23,940 --> 02:57:28,760
at the fact that we're even having this conversation because of one man making a bad investment

2189
02:57:28,760 --> 02:57:32,400
and his greed trying to push to recover the funds from that bad investment.

2190
02:57:33,460 --> 02:57:38,520
You made a bad investment. Stop trying to destroy our city. Stop trying to destroy the environment.

2191
02:57:39,100 --> 02:57:39,780
This is ridiculous.

2192
02:57:41,080 --> 02:57:44,460
You know, it hurts me to see these union members out here.

2193
02:57:44,580 --> 02:57:48,060
You know, I support unions. I've stood on picket lines with unions in multiple states.

2194
02:57:48,600 --> 02:57:51,520
I've stood by them trying to help with higher wages with them.

2195
02:57:51,520 --> 02:57:52,920
I've stood by them on many times.

2196
02:57:53,080 --> 02:57:54,260
They've called and asked for support.

2197
02:57:54,440 --> 02:57:55,220
I've stood out with unions.

2198
02:57:55,640 --> 02:57:58,840
I'm disgusted that they're looking to destroy our city.

2199
02:57:59,480 --> 02:58:02,940
Most of those union members, I don't even know if any of them live here in this city.

2200
02:58:03,800 --> 02:58:05,880
So that money is just going to be going out of town.

2201
02:58:06,480 --> 02:58:11,740
More money just getting sucked out of Sam Marcus plus our resources being taken away from us.

2202
02:58:12,160 --> 02:58:13,140
This is absurd.

2203
02:58:14,600 --> 02:58:15,380
This is absurd.

2204
02:58:15,580 --> 02:58:19,680
The fact that you're even considering this and have brought this forward, y'all should

2205
02:58:19,680 --> 02:58:22,520
We all really, that's a disgrace on the city.

2206
02:58:22,840 --> 02:58:24,080
You all should be disappointed in yourselves.

2207
02:58:24,260 --> 02:58:25,700
I'm disappointed in this.

2208
02:58:25,840 --> 02:58:27,320
Like this is really absurd to me

2209
02:58:27,320 --> 02:58:29,040
that we're still having this conversation.

2210
02:58:29,600 --> 02:58:30,660
The city has spoken.

2211
02:58:31,400 --> 02:58:32,800
The community has spoken.

2212
02:58:33,940 --> 02:58:35,120
We don't want this.

2213
02:58:35,320 --> 02:58:36,860
It doesn't belong in San Marcus.

2214
02:58:37,160 --> 02:58:39,120
I have friends that live all over this country.

2215
02:58:39,320 --> 02:58:41,700
I have friends that are fleeing other cities

2216
02:58:41,700 --> 02:58:43,360
that put data centers there

2217
02:58:43,360 --> 02:58:45,680
because now they have rolling brownouts

2218
02:58:45,680 --> 02:58:48,240
and their water doesn't run all the time.

2219
02:58:49,360 --> 02:58:55,800
it destroys communities. Sam Marcus is one of the longest consecutively inhabited places in North

2220
02:58:55,800 --> 02:59:01,700
America. Why would you want to destroy that? Why do you want that to be your legacy?

2221
02:59:02,680 --> 02:59:08,080
Mech the right decision. You have the power to make the right decision here. Do the right

2222
02:59:08,080 --> 02:59:16,200
thing. Don't let greed control what's going on here. Listen to the people. Thank you.

2223
02:59:16,200 --> 02:59:17,580
Thank you.

2224
02:59:19,680 --> 02:59:19,880
Hi.

2225
02:59:20,440 --> 02:59:21,540
My name's Georgia Parker.

2226
02:59:22,460 --> 02:59:26,180
I've been a citizen of Samarkis for 26 years.

2227
02:59:27,000 --> 02:59:32,660
I almost didn't come up and speak because it was hard for me to imagine how I don't

2228
02:59:32,660 --> 02:59:37,560
know that y'all would even consider approving this change in zoning.

2229
02:59:39,040 --> 02:59:44,080
But just in case you are, I would hope that this would be an easy decision considering we've

2230
02:59:44,080 --> 02:59:50,960
gone through this process already and we've all made our voices heard and I think you have an

2231
02:59:50,960 --> 02:59:56,960
opportunity with your vote to change this zoning whether or not to change the zoning to inspire

2232
02:59:56,960 --> 02:59:59,960
Here I hope across the state of Texas, across...

2233
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:08,620
House, the country, and across the world, and make Samarkas a place that is known for what it is,

2234
03:00:08,840 --> 03:00:18,380
a place that has a strong sense of community that gives us shit, and that cares more about

2235
03:00:18,380 --> 03:00:21,960
each other than billionaires. Thank you.

2236
03:00:22,180 --> 03:00:22,780
Thank you.

2237
03:00:25,120 --> 03:00:30,500
Hi, my name is Albert Lannum. 30-year member of the Labour's International Union with America,

2238
03:00:30,500 --> 03:00:33,760
I'm here representing the folks of local 1095.

2239
03:00:35,640 --> 03:00:42,620
I just want to say that, you know, I've heard a lot of people get up here today and, you know, say they've got this college degree or that college degree.

2240
03:00:43,500 --> 03:00:53,060
What a project like this does is it offers an opportunity for high school graduates and folks coming from other areas to build a career in skill traits.

2241
03:00:53,840 --> 03:01:00,340
So, if you were to pass this project and have it move forward, I think it would give a lot of folks

2242
03:01:00,340 --> 03:01:05,640
opportunities to build a career and sustainable life here in the St. Marko's area.

2243
03:01:06,600 --> 03:01:07,300
Thank you.

2244
03:01:07,480 --> 03:01:08,180
Thank you.

2245
03:01:14,360 --> 03:01:15,140
Hi there.

2246
03:01:15,360 --> 03:01:16,500
I'm Jess Bowers.

2247
03:01:16,540 --> 03:01:17,860
I'm a resident of the city.

2248
03:01:18,680 --> 03:01:21,160
I like many people move here for the college.

2249
03:01:21,380 --> 03:01:22,380
I started going to college.

2250
03:01:23,220 --> 03:01:26,400
But then I stayed here because I fell in love with the city.

2251
03:01:26,400 --> 03:01:28,500
And I'd really like to die here.

2252
03:01:29,300 --> 03:01:31,460
There was a gentleman earlier who said that he'd lived here

2253
03:01:31,460 --> 03:01:32,600
for 75 years.

2254
03:01:32,800 --> 03:01:34,220
I'd like that to be me one day.

2255
03:01:34,480 --> 03:01:35,680
So I'm going to be here for a while.

2256
03:01:36,260 --> 03:01:40,300
And I oppose the building of a day to a eye center here.

2257
03:01:40,920 --> 03:01:41,640
I'm a resident.

2258
03:01:41,920 --> 03:01:43,780
I don't want it for the reasons already

2259
03:01:43,780 --> 03:01:45,640
enumerated by my neighbors.

2260
03:01:46,300 --> 03:01:48,640
All of the arguments against, I haven't

2261
03:01:48,640 --> 03:01:50,980
had heard a single word that I disagree with.

2262
03:01:51,200 --> 03:01:54,100
I agree with all of my neighbors that are against it,

2263
03:01:54,140 --> 03:01:55,500
all of their words are mine.

2264
03:01:55,500 --> 03:01:58,720
what they've said, that's what I think too.

2265
03:01:59,500 --> 03:02:02,400
So if this comes back to this council,

2266
03:02:03,360 --> 03:02:04,560
I'll show up again.

2267
03:02:04,940 --> 03:02:06,380
If I live here for 70 years,

2268
03:02:06,480 --> 03:02:08,480
I'm gonna be showing up in front of this council.

2269
03:02:08,920 --> 03:02:11,100
So I'll remember the things that this council decides.

2270
03:02:12,040 --> 03:02:13,540
I'll tell you about it.

2271
03:02:13,820 --> 03:02:15,560
And so pretty short.

2272
03:02:15,800 --> 03:02:16,840
You've already heard it all.

2273
03:02:17,020 --> 03:02:17,980
So I'll go.

2274
03:02:18,180 --> 03:02:18,900
But that's my thoughts.

2275
03:02:19,020 --> 03:02:19,560
I'm against it.

2276
03:02:19,760 --> 03:02:20,400
Thank you so much.

2277
03:02:21,120 --> 03:02:21,560
Thank you.

2278
03:02:23,880 --> 03:02:24,300
Hi.

2279
03:02:24,300 --> 03:02:30,220
My name is Yiddie Nichols. I'm a resident of Sam Markis. I'm here to ask y'all to vote against

2280
03:02:30,220 --> 03:02:34,300
Many planning and zoning changes that would allow the data center to be built here

2281
03:02:35,480 --> 03:02:43,020
I do understand that two of the largest revenue sources for the city are charges for electricity and water

2282
03:02:43,020 --> 03:02:47,800
And while the data center being built here my increases revenues for city

2283
03:02:47,800 --> 03:02:51,840
I think it would come at a large cost for a city. I

2284
03:02:51,840 --> 03:02:57,560
understand that there has been a lot of concerns raised about, you know, the increase in

2285
03:02:57,560 --> 03:03:02,440
electricity bills and how that does get pushed on to residences and small business owners

2286
03:03:02,440 --> 03:03:08,820
in the area and I do believe that those increases could cause future residents and future

2287
03:03:08,820 --> 03:03:15,680
small business owners to exist here which would lead to lost tax revenue for the city and

2288
03:03:15,680 --> 03:03:23,020
impact our long-term growth. I do believe that that outweighs the, you know, the positives

2289
03:03:23,020 --> 03:03:29,360
of the temporary labor construction jobs that are going to be available and then the small

2290
03:03:29,360 --> 03:03:35,400
amount of permanent jobs that the data center just offer. Thank you. Thank you.

2291
03:03:37,820 --> 03:03:38,980
Good evening. My name

2292
03:03:38,980 --> 03:03:44,520
is Sam Benavitas. I didn't plan on speaking this evening. I just came from a three hour long board

2293
03:03:44,520 --> 03:03:50,900
meeting and my brain is really fried, but after listening to talking about people speaking

2294
03:03:50,900 --> 03:03:56,220
favor of this, I felt called to come and voice my concerns about the status center and

2295
03:03:56,220 --> 03:04:01,120
go on the record. So I've got some quick thoughts. I jot it down. I started on the neighborhood

2296
03:04:01,120 --> 03:04:06,860
commission, so I've heard this presentation and I had the opportunity to ask some questions

2297
03:04:06,860 --> 03:04:12,500
of the developers and I was deeply unimpressed and concerned with their responses. First of all,

2298
03:04:12,500 --> 03:04:14,760
that I don't want to answer any questions about the war users,

2299
03:04:15,000 --> 03:04:17,340
they actively discourage questions about that.

2300
03:04:17,900 --> 03:04:21,120
Kind of preempting questions that they thought would come up,

2301
03:04:21,220 --> 03:04:22,500
but not letting us ask questions,

2302
03:04:22,620 --> 03:04:24,900
or not welcoming questions about water usage,

2303
03:04:24,940 --> 03:04:28,780
I had a question about, I heard that it became so contaminated

2304
03:04:28,780 --> 03:04:30,720
that has to be shut down and wanted to ask about that.

2305
03:04:31,020 --> 03:04:33,700
I wasn't able to, I hope that you all are able to ask that tonight.

2306
03:04:34,440 --> 03:04:37,800
I also want to say to all the workers

2307
03:04:37,800 --> 03:04:40,360
depending on this project for work,

2308
03:04:40,420 --> 03:04:41,940
I want you to have secure jobs.

2309
03:04:41,940 --> 03:04:43,820
I want you to make a living wage.

2310
03:04:44,000 --> 03:04:49,260
I want you to have steady income that allows you to support your family and meet your needs.

2311
03:04:49,640 --> 03:04:50,560
I want that for everyone.

2312
03:04:51,200 --> 03:04:55,540
And I hate that it's being framed as coming at the cost of destroying our planet and destroying

2313
03:04:55,540 --> 03:04:56,600
our water supply.

2314
03:04:57,020 --> 03:04:59,960
I know that each of you have seen that KVC article about the death of the dead.

2315
03:05:09,960 --> 03:05:21,000
May we dream of a world and work towards a world where we don't need to pick between stable jobs and the health of our environment, and may each of you be leaders in that fight tonight. Thank you.

2316
03:05:21,000 --> 03:05:23,100
Thank you.

2317
03:05:24,880 --> 03:05:25,440
Good evening.

2318
03:05:25,680 --> 03:05:27,060
My name is Patricia Herrington.

2319
03:05:27,200 --> 03:05:28,720
I'm a resident of San Marcos.

2320
03:05:29,580 --> 03:05:35,820
One thing that I haven't heard addressed very much is the impact that this will have on

2321
03:05:35,820 --> 03:05:40,340
the very lives of the people that are living close by, but how it might affect all of San

2322
03:05:40,340 --> 03:05:40,780
Marcos.

2323
03:05:41,760 --> 03:05:48,060
I haven't heard anything at all about what possible levels of radiation would be released

2324
03:05:48,060 --> 03:05:57,780
through the data centers and how the frequencies that will be emitted will affect not only

2325
03:05:57,780 --> 03:06:01,000
the comfort of humans, but will affect their physical body.

2326
03:06:01,220 --> 03:06:05,240
There are more and more people who are becoming sensitive to environmental issues.

2327
03:06:05,440 --> 03:06:13,100
I would think that this would not be something to just look at loosely, but maybe to delve

2328
03:06:13,100 --> 03:06:20,000
into a little bit on what the impact would be on human life, on plants, and on animal life.

2329
03:06:21,060 --> 03:06:29,460
We know that it's not safe to live near or next to electrical plants because of the release

2330
03:06:29,460 --> 03:06:32,180
of the emissions from that.

2331
03:06:32,560 --> 03:06:35,240
Many people are affected, I'd personally from that.

2332
03:06:35,820 --> 03:06:41,720
So I just asked that you would think about that and maybe consider that in your vote and

2333
03:06:41,720 --> 03:06:44,940
I encourage you to vote against the data centers.

2334
03:06:45,380 --> 03:06:46,660
Thank you for your time.

2335
03:06:47,200 --> 03:06:47,960
Thank you.

2336
03:06:52,340 --> 03:06:54,000
My name is Daniel Gamma's Gomez.

2337
03:06:54,000 --> 03:06:55,420
I'm a resident of San Marcos.

2338
03:06:56,660 --> 03:07:00,520
I am tired of this talk of improving our city.

2339
03:07:00,940 --> 03:07:03,340
When all evidence seems to point to a commitment

2340
03:07:03,340 --> 03:07:06,460
to its destruction, we know that data centers

2341
03:07:06,460 --> 03:07:08,420
will extract far too much water.

2342
03:07:08,960 --> 03:07:11,580
We know it will raise the strain on our power grid.

2343
03:07:11,840 --> 03:07:13,620
We know it won't bring enough jobs

2344
03:07:13,620 --> 03:07:16,420
to justify changing the zoning in the first place.

2345
03:07:17,180 --> 03:07:21,080
We know that they make the surrounding areas, they inhabit borderline unlivable.

2346
03:07:21,700 --> 03:07:27,600
Yet, we stand here today at this precipice, distracted by passing clouds when we should

2347
03:07:27,600 --> 03:07:32,440
be considering the treacherous drop to the dry, unforegiving earth below.

2348
03:07:33,200 --> 03:07:37,660
The land we stand ready to betray will not be kind to our selfish machinations.

2349
03:07:37,980 --> 03:07:43,120
These plans are not limited to San Marcos, but are actually part of a nationwide effort

2350
03:07:43,120 --> 03:07:46,900
to push the big investments behind AI and its data centers

2351
03:07:46,900 --> 03:07:48,700
onto an unwilling populace.

2352
03:07:49,080 --> 03:07:50,720
And as a natural result of that,

2353
03:07:50,960 --> 03:07:53,720
we are a part of a nationwide resistance here tonight

2354
03:07:53,720 --> 03:07:55,700
to being killed slowly.

2355
03:07:56,220 --> 03:07:59,060
The water will drown us in its absence.

2356
03:07:59,360 --> 03:08:01,680
The animals will return to eat us

2357
03:08:01,680 --> 03:08:04,340
when we found we cannot eat or grow our crops.

2358
03:08:04,840 --> 03:08:07,480
And land will erode under the shaky foundations

2359
03:08:07,480 --> 03:08:10,280
we're building upon and swallow us whole.

2360
03:08:10,980 --> 03:08:22,380
But if the Earth's lack of forgiveness is something you are willing to ignore, I hope you were prepared for us to never forgive or forget the mistake you could make tonight.

2361
03:08:23,040 --> 03:08:30,200
I have stood before City Council who much like this commission stood post to portray the wishes of hundreds of people who voiced their wishes

2362
03:08:30,200 --> 03:08:33,400
And when they did, people stood by and did nothing.

2363
03:08:34,140 --> 03:08:36,140
We must hold this commission accountable.

2364
03:08:36,500 --> 03:08:38,960
If you vote in favor of the data center tonight,

2365
03:08:39,260 --> 03:08:40,600
we will not sit idle.

2366
03:08:41,440 --> 03:08:43,140
Your names and faces will be remembered,

2367
03:08:43,320 --> 03:08:44,700
and your careers will not.

2368
03:08:45,680 --> 03:08:48,040
In case the mass support present here tonight

2369
03:08:48,040 --> 03:08:49,980
didn't make it explicitly clear,

2370
03:08:50,120 --> 03:08:53,040
almost no one wants to see these parasites extract.

2371
03:08:53,340 --> 03:08:55,100
What makes this place worth living in?

2372
03:08:55,260 --> 03:08:57,760
I say almost because we know certain commissioners

2373
03:08:57,760 --> 03:08:59,700
think the city and inevitable destination

2374
03:08:59,700 --> 03:09:05,160
for these data centers. This is false. We know this is false because we're seeing data centers failed

2375
03:09:05,160 --> 03:09:10,900
to be built nationwide. Why? Because people know they are not necessary for our survival

2376
03:09:10,900 --> 03:09:16,320
and thus are resisted just as it's being done tonight. They are an elaborate, ruse meant to fool

2377
03:09:16,320 --> 03:09:22,960
us into letting developers erase us from afar for their personal enrichment. But we are not fooled.

2378
03:09:23,380 --> 03:09:28,880
We see what the developers are doing. There are two sides here tonight. The side of the living

2379
03:09:28,880 --> 03:09:34,880
and the side of the damned, you know what to do. Thank you. Thank you.

2380
03:09:41,990 --> 03:09:47,430
Hi, I'm Syfreedy. I did not plan. I did not write anything.

2381
03:09:50,500 --> 03:09:52,860
This is kind of beyond the point of sharing facts,

2382
03:09:53,160 --> 03:09:59,700
but I am stuck alarms that people who are in positions of decision-making authority.

2383
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:16,100
And people lived in this town for a really long time, and were very smart and well informed, still don't understand, like basic facts about the harms of data centers. I did a radio interview today with Diane Wassnik, and she was shocked by some of the stuff that we mentioned on air today.

2384
03:10:16,880 --> 03:10:22,560
But a few facts, and sorry if this is kind of hot pod, I'm still very anxious about public speaking.

2385
03:10:24,540 --> 03:10:36,320
We use more water to generate electricity than we use to irrigate crops in this country, and the grid of Texas's set to double because of data center demand.

2386
03:10:38,460 --> 03:10:52,160
Utility rates around data centers have gone up by 250% in some places, and also y'all are going to see a presentation that really like in this project to existing data centers.

2387
03:10:52,160 --> 03:10:57,960
It's really important for us to understand that the scale of AI data centers are unlike.

2388
03:10:58,580 --> 03:11:03,240
I've said this before, and it startles people when I say this, but I know that Mayberry

2389
03:11:03,240 --> 03:11:07,420
has taken counsel, you know, encouraged touring of existing data centers in the Austin

2390
03:11:07,420 --> 03:11:11,940
and San Antonio areas. I think they're going to show an image of a data center in San Antonio.

2391
03:11:12,260 --> 03:11:14,240
That's a 10 megawatt data center.

2392
03:11:14,780 --> 03:11:19,120
And this data center is a 375 megawatt data center.

2393
03:11:20,240 --> 03:11:25,400
That's five times San Marcos' average, you know, people have said this tonight.

2394
03:11:25,700 --> 03:11:29,000
It's two and a half times what we use at the hottest day of summer, but it's five times

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03:11:29,000 --> 03:11:34,960
what we use on an average day, so the grid overhaul that will be required for these large

2396
03:11:34,960 --> 03:11:41,580
loads, not only will it make blackouts more likely, it's also going to increase utility rates

2397
03:11:41,580 --> 03:11:50,720
for regular people, it's been mentioned tonight also that, yeah, it startles me, you know,

2398
03:11:50,840 --> 03:11:57,100
this 247 number that's been thrown around, it's not, it's not, it's actually far worse

2399
03:11:57,100 --> 03:12:00,100
than that because that number doesn't account for data centers, that number doesn't account

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03:12:00,100 --> 03:12:01,000
for climate change.

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03:12:01,300 --> 03:12:09,380
I met with Joe Pentelian within the last week and it seems like policymakers here are just kind

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03:12:09,380 --> 03:12:17,160
and resigned to our drinking our wastewater before too long, and that I think most of us are pretty

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03:12:18,300 --> 03:12:25,400
appalled by, especially given that we're inviting industry into this community that plans to

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03:12:25,920 --> 03:12:30,660
poison that water with proprietary cocktails where we won't actually even know what's, what's in it,

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03:12:30,820 --> 03:12:34,540
and PFAS we know cannot be removed by wastewater, municipal wastewater treatment plants.

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03:12:35,640 --> 03:12:41,640
But I guess two closing points, one, think everyone here is ultimately on the same side.

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03:12:41,640 --> 03:12:44,540
I think this is like those who...

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03:12:46,940 --> 03:12:47,540
Thank

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03:12:49,680 --> 03:12:50,280
you.

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03:12:50,420 --> 03:12:52,520
We will now close the system comment period.

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03:12:54,740 --> 03:13:03,380
If our colleagues do not mind, I would like to move item number six before item number four and five,

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03:13:03,380 --> 03:13:08,960
five, moving C.C. 25, 13, essentially before the data center

2413
03:13:08,960 --> 03:13:10,780
does anybody have any issues with that?

2414
03:13:14,320 --> 03:13:15,540
Brings to our consent agenda?

2415
03:13:15,980 --> 03:13:17,880
Oh, make a motion to approve the consent agenda.

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03:13:19,640 --> 03:13:20,960
Motion to approve, I commit your spell.

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03:13:20,960 --> 03:13:22,320
The second one, commissioning me.

2418
03:13:22,420 --> 03:13:23,160
Oh, I'm embarrassed.

2419
03:13:23,660 --> 03:13:25,760
Was that no longer good?

2420
03:13:28,850 --> 03:13:29,210
I mean, I've been here before.

2421
03:13:29,210 --> 03:13:30,650
Do you guys want to know what I was?

2422
03:13:32,030 --> 03:13:34,250
Yes, I'm online, waiting to speak.

2423
03:13:35,510 --> 03:13:36,610
Was here for a citizen comment?

2424
03:13:36,610 --> 03:13:41,150
other people that are here, that are waiting to speak as well.

2425
03:13:43,480 --> 03:13:46,220
Well, you know, let's back on up. Why don't you speak?

2426
03:13:48,810 --> 03:13:50,830
Need your name? You get three minutes, sir.

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03:13:57,760 --> 03:13:57,760
Sir,

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03:14:02,630 --> 03:14:03,470
I don't know why you wish to speak.

2429
03:14:03,670 --> 03:14:07,510
There you go. My name is Doni. Well, I live at 524 West

2430
03:14:07,510 --> 03:14:11,310
Hopped and Street. And I'm new to San Marcos here.

2431
03:14:11,350 --> 03:14:12,450
I love the community,

2432
03:14:15,810 --> 03:14:19,490
voting for this seems to be going

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03:14:19,490 --> 03:14:22,510
against the San Marcos Comprehensive Plan.

2434
03:14:22,830 --> 03:14:24,490
It seems that the decision was made,

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03:14:24,770 --> 03:14:27,490
and then we're back tracking on it.

2436
03:14:28,470 --> 03:14:32,810
We have a developer who scents his days and nights committed to this.

2437
03:14:33,170 --> 03:14:35,870
We're just local citizens coming in

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03:14:35,870 --> 03:14:37,810
and wanting to have a voice in this.

2439
03:14:40,310 --> 03:14:43,790
Sometimes it's thought that no never means no for developers,

2440
03:14:44,750 --> 03:14:45,570
but yes, it's forever.

2441
03:14:46,670 --> 03:14:49,270
I don't think we need to vote, yes, it's forever on this.

2442
03:14:50,190 --> 03:14:59,970
There are other ways in which today the centers get water, one in which the technology that is being used, it's using brine, there's plenty of...

2443
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:07,680
Prime out West Texas, through the oil companies to be happy to share with them, might start with

2444
03:15:07,680 --> 03:15:14,440
cities such as McCamey, Rankin, Big Light, they'd welcome a day to center out there in the

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03:15:14,440 --> 03:15:18,740
infrastructure and all the growth and development, because certainly they need jobs more than

2446
03:15:18,740 --> 03:15:19,520
we do here.

2447
03:15:21,730 --> 03:15:27,610
Appreciate what the union members have to say. I was an union out in West Texas. I worked

2448
03:15:27,610 --> 03:15:36,310
the cement plan. Great. Love my time there. But the idea that we have 25 union workers here

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03:15:36,310 --> 03:15:42,050
in San Marcos and thinking that this is going to create more jobs for people here once the

2450
03:15:42,050 --> 03:15:49,290
buildings built, those jobs vanish and you go elsewhere. That's just the way it is. If you move on,

2451
03:15:49,390 --> 03:15:53,270
if you're not willing to move on, well then you're going to have to find someplace else to work.

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03:15:53,270 --> 03:16:02,290
I just share here that a data center that was opened up in the Dallas and Oregon, you can go online and get this information from

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03:16:02,290 --> 03:16:04,150
data centers.com.

2454
03:16:04,770 --> 03:16:11,790
They talk here that they invested $1.8 billion in the Dallas and established a long-term commitment to the region and state.

2455
03:16:12,310 --> 03:16:17,850
Now, a fully operational site, we've created over 200 total jobs.

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03:16:17,850 --> 03:16:23,770
And we work hard to support the communities in which our employees live and work.

2457
03:16:24,170 --> 03:16:27,490
Since 2009, Google has awarded over.

2458
03:16:28,150 --> 03:16:35,830
Listen, 14 million in grants to nonprofits and organizations based in Oregon, 14 million

2459
03:16:35,830 --> 03:16:42,210
for the whole state and invested 1.8 million in a 1.8 billion in the data center,

2460
03:16:44,480 --> 03:16:44,540
don't

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03:16:44,540 --> 03:16:45,560
get it.

2462
03:16:45,560 --> 03:16:53,200
I'm pro-union, biking in jobs, but I don't think it should come at the cost of destroying

2463
03:16:53,200 --> 03:16:59,280
the very livelihood of the community, the community's centered around the river, tourism,

2464
03:17:00,060 --> 03:17:01,400
the quality of life.

2465
03:17:02,680 --> 03:17:04,900
That's too high a price to pay.

2466
03:17:06,400 --> 03:17:13,700
And this commitment to create jobs, people can commit to do anything, but that's not a contract.

2467
03:17:14,280 --> 03:17:21,420
people back out of commitments, happens all the time. We built inner state 30 here and they

2468
03:17:21,420 --> 03:17:24,740
so yeah we're going to create all kinds of jobs. They're going to be 24 hours because

2469
03:17:24,740 --> 03:17:28,280
they're going to have people that have to man these booths when people get off.

2470
03:17:28,620 --> 03:17:31,220
So I'm sorry I'm going to stop you right there. That's our three minute time.

2471
03:17:32,280 --> 03:17:37,220
All right. Thank you. Thank you. Do you have any bells online that wishes to speak?

2472
03:17:38,080 --> 03:17:42,180
I would love to. My video has been disabled on y'all side, which is okay.

2473
03:17:42,180 --> 03:17:44,960
That's okay. We just need your name and you have three minutes.

2474
03:17:45,260 --> 03:17:48,040
Okay. Elizabeth Embersen.

2475
03:17:48,720 --> 03:17:51,860
I live at 503 Harvey Street.

2476
03:17:52,760 --> 03:17:57,340
And I'm here to ask you to please vote against agenda items four and five.

2477
03:17:57,620 --> 03:18:06,680
I think changing the zoning designation for the Mayberry property would go against.

2478
03:18:06,680 --> 03:18:11,340
or I'm sorry it's currently designated as a conservation cluster in San

2479
03:18:11,340 --> 03:18:16,520
Marcus's comprehensive plan and preferred scenario map that took over two years to come together

2480
03:18:16,520 --> 03:18:23,440
and finally after extensive communicating and workshop being a kangaroo fruition in just October

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03:18:23,440 --> 03:18:31,180
of 2024. It is designed to guide development for the next 10 to 20 years and changing it after just

2482
03:18:31,180 --> 03:18:35,980
15 months would undermine the community's trust and long-term planning in our city.

2483
03:18:35,980 --> 03:18:45,260
According to the City of San Marcus, a planning and zoning committee's member, their job is to uphold the comprehensive plan established by the city.

2484
03:18:46,200 --> 03:18:55,540
Regardless of what mayor may not be developed on the property, it's irresponsible and undermining for the zoning chain request to be allowed in my opinion.

2485
03:18:55,540 --> 03:19:01,700
It is my hope that the simple reminder is enough evidence for each of you to vote against

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03:19:01,700 --> 03:19:07,120
this out of town developers request it undermines our city, it's residents, it's trust,

2487
03:19:07,380 --> 03:19:12,100
not to mention months of coordination and planning between our citizens, public servants, and

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03:19:12,100 --> 03:19:13,140
elected officials.

2489
03:19:13,800 --> 03:19:14,860
Thank you.

2490
03:19:15,040 --> 03:19:16,020
Thank you.

2491
03:19:20,440 --> 03:19:21,340
Is that wrap up online?

2492
03:19:24,280 --> 03:19:25,120
Let's repeat.

2493
03:19:25,580 --> 03:19:26,320
Please consent agenda.

2494
03:19:26,520 --> 03:19:28,700
I'll make a motion to approve the consent agenda.

2495
03:19:29,500 --> 03:19:29,920
Second.

2496
03:19:30,560 --> 03:19:31,180
Motion to approve.

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03:19:31,180 --> 03:19:35,720
Commissioner Spell, give it a Commissioner Meeks for a second. Any further discussion on

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03:19:35,720 --> 03:19:36,460
this item?

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03:19:37,920 --> 03:19:39,520
See, nine. We'll call that, please.

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03:19:40,220 --> 03:19:41,020
Sure, Michelle Rolison.

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03:19:41,640 --> 03:19:41,660
Hi.

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03:19:41,960 --> 03:19:42,340
David Case.

2503
03:19:42,400 --> 03:19:42,660
Hi.

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03:19:43,060 --> 03:19:43,460
Luke Christian.

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03:19:43,600 --> 03:19:43,840
Hi.

2506
03:19:43,940 --> 03:19:44,580
We're at Dunn.

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03:19:44,940 --> 03:19:45,440
Amy Meeks.

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03:19:45,740 --> 03:19:46,380
Griffin Spell.

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03:19:46,800 --> 03:19:48,620
We am Agnew.

2510
03:19:48,900 --> 03:19:48,920
All right.

2511
03:19:48,920 --> 03:19:50,340
The motion to approve carries.

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03:19:50,920 --> 03:19:53,320
It brings the presentation item number two.

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03:19:53,700 --> 03:19:58,300
Receive a staff presentation on the vision SMTX Comprehensive Plan Implementation Report.

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03:20:04,880 --> 03:20:09,140
Good evening, commissioners.

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03:20:12,600 --> 03:20:20,020
So this evening, I'll be presenting a brief overview of the comprehensive plan implementation report,

2516
03:20:20,420 --> 03:20:23,220
and really progress we've made on that plan recently.

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03:20:25,140 --> 03:20:31,400
So the vision SMCX comprehensive plan was adopted in October of 2024. It was a multi year engagement process,

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03:20:31,400 --> 03:20:37,420
which included 31 member steering committee, 23 subcommittee meetings and over 8,000 comments.

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03:20:38,100 --> 03:20:43,940
The complaint establishes the vision and goals for St. Marcus and policy direction for the next 20 years,

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03:20:44,120 --> 03:20:49,380
and it's really intended to be flexible, adaptable, and really guide how our community grows every time,

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03:20:49,440 --> 03:20:53,720
but it's really a high level document that really meant to guide decision makers.

2522
03:20:54,780 --> 03:20:59,580
The complaint is an umbrella document to the integrates high level of direction into various

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03:20:59,580 --> 03:21:04,940
implementation tools, such as master plans, like the transportation master plan, new

2524
03:21:04,940 --> 03:21:09,720
development, city streets, and infrastructure, small area plans, which you have many going

2525
03:21:09,720 --> 03:21:13,540
on now, and then also just the council's annual strategic plan as well.

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03:21:14,920 --> 03:21:20,260
The plan includes 7 topics shown across the screen here, which have a total of 23 goals,

2527
03:21:20,260 --> 03:21:24,320
130 actions and 59 objectives, so what's going on in that plan?

2528
03:21:25,760 --> 03:21:29,740
The implementation of the plan is guided by a council appointed Comprehensive Plan

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03:21:29,740 --> 03:21:34,760
Oversight Committee, whose charge is to review the plan actions and discuss priority actions

2530
03:21:34,760 --> 03:21:36,880
for consideration by staff and city council.

2531
03:21:37,700 --> 03:21:42,560
Other key steps in implementation include a staff review of all of the actions, the progress

2532
03:21:42,560 --> 03:21:47,120
and updates on those actions, and consideration of actions into our annual work plans.

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03:21:47,120 --> 03:21:53,140
I'm an annual presentation to the Planning of Zoning Commission and City Council, Planning of Zoning Commission is happening this evening,

2534
03:21:53,740 --> 03:21:59,380
and then lastly, keep our ideas identified by the Conference of Plan Oversight Committee to be considered by Council

2535
03:21:59,380 --> 03:22:03,620
into their strategic plan that occurs and is worked on every January.

2536
03:22:05,980 --> 03:22:15,590
So there are a variety of methods to implement those 130 actions over the next 20 years, including regulatory initiatives like updating the development code,

2537
03:22:15,590 --> 03:22:20,750
infrastructure projects like adding bike lanes to some of our city streets and

2538
03:22:20,750 --> 03:22:23,750
then creating resources like a small business guide as well.

2539
03:22:26,030 --> 03:22:26,350
The annual

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03:22:26,350 --> 03:22:30,290
implementation report is in your packet and provides a status update

2541
03:22:30,290 --> 03:22:34,170
from staff on all 130 different actions including the lead department,

2542
03:22:34,490 --> 03:22:38,430
progress status, updates or comments on the progress is made and then

2543
03:22:38,430 --> 03:22:42,190
also metrics the staff begins to explore how do we keep track of progress

2544
03:22:42,190 --> 03:22:42,970
over time.

2545
03:22:45,080 --> 03:22:47,840
So the progress plan oversight committee identified eight

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03:22:47,840 --> 03:22:54,100
top priorities for 2026, which are provided in a committee recommendation resolution, which is in your packet.

2547
03:22:55,120 --> 03:23:00,100
And you'll see Mr. Robert EB over here at the podium. He is the chair of our comprehensive

2548
03:23:00,100 --> 03:23:04,200
plan oversight committee, and he's actually going to present the next couple slides on the

2549
03:23:04,200 --> 03:23:08,620
communities behalf, and just kind of give a quick highlight of the implementation progress.

2550
03:23:08,780 --> 03:23:13,580
So I hand it over to you. Thank you very much. As Andrew said, I'm Robert EB,

2551
03:23:14,080 --> 03:23:17,480
and I had the distinct honor being in the current chair of the comprehensive plan.

2552
03:23:17,840 --> 03:23:19,540
over-site committee, one in.

2553
03:23:20,620 --> 03:23:28,060
As I already mentioned, our job is to uphold and advance the actions that are stated in our prestigious Comprehensive Plan.

2554
03:23:28,980 --> 03:23:44,700
The first priority, the committee prioritized was transportation1.1 to update the 2018 Transportation Master Plan to be consistent with the preferred scenario map and address current transportation issues.

2555
03:23:44,700 --> 03:23:56,120
As part of the TMP update, the committee also recommended the TR2.2 and TR3.8 be prioritized for discussion within the TMP update process.

2556
03:23:57,360 --> 03:24:03,500
This includes evaluating the need for a city staff position to manage transportation demand management programs,

2557
03:24:04,060 --> 03:24:11,900
and to ensure the safe crossing options under I-35 corridor and other major roads that connect neighborhoods and residents.

2558
03:24:11,900 --> 03:24:21,780
A few key considerations from the committee on this T01.1 is that we wanted to stress the importance

2559
03:24:21,780 --> 03:24:26,620
of the transportation policy on both existing and future residents, as well as the importance

2560
03:24:26,620 --> 03:24:32,760
of being connected to regional transit partners. We also want to stress the importance

2561
03:24:32,760 --> 03:24:37,720
of evaluating pedestrian and bike crossings for safety improvements at key intersections and

2562
03:24:37,720 --> 03:24:41,660
longer blocks. The details of these can be found in their resolution.

2563
03:24:43,700 --> 03:24:49,780
The current status of these items is that city staff is actually kicking off a transportation

2564
03:24:49,780 --> 03:24:55,340
master plan update process and the transit master plan is also currently being updated.

2565
03:25:01,520 --> 03:25:19,320
Under land use, the next priority we identified is to create a tool to analyze the fiscal sustainability of new development proposals, which I think would be a relatively useful tool for tonight's big discussion.

2566
03:25:19,320 --> 03:25:24,100
If we had this to which I will emphasize does not exist, I'm sorry.

2567
03:25:25,880 --> 03:25:35,800
The committee is interested in exploring budgetary impacts of development on infrastructure, utility capacity, and rates, and the environmental costs of development.

2568
03:25:36,820 --> 03:25:47,100
The committee discussed the importance of this tool to evaluate the cost benefit of development proposals with regards to the city's fiscal health to inform city decisions.

2569
03:25:48,000 --> 03:25:54,420
Education on long-term fiscal sustainability and return on investment will be an important component of implementation.

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03:25:56,140 --> 03:26:02,180
Implementation of this item will require a consultant to support the development of the tool

2571
03:26:02,180 --> 03:26:07,320
and to assist with education and be a collaborative effort with multiple departments.

2572
03:26:14,550 --> 03:26:22,190
Housing and neighborhoods 4.3 discusses coordinating land use and transportation planning with proposed development

2573
03:26:22,190 --> 03:26:28,930
to ensure safe and convenient connections to multi-modal infrastructure networks from residential neighborhoods.

2574
03:26:30,090 --> 03:26:34,750
The key factor of safe and convenient connections is proximity to goods and services.

2575
03:26:35,990 --> 03:26:42,590
The committee stresses the importance of multi-modal connectivity to neighborhood centers and changes to the development code,

2576
03:26:43,010 --> 03:26:46,230
transportation, master plan, and the transit master plan.

2577
03:26:47,030 --> 03:26:49,770
All three of these plans are currently in progress.

2578
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The

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03:26:54,820 --> 03:27:01,400
next priority is HN, or housing in neighborhoods 1.1, to update review and adopt a housing action plan.

2580
03:27:02,840 --> 03:27:07,640
The committee stresses the importance of adopting a plan to address housing affordability challenges,

2581
03:27:08,380 --> 03:27:18,680
and emphasizes the topic of availability of diverse and adaptable housing, aging and place, and empowering incremental development as part of these discussions.

2582
03:27:20,080 --> 03:27:25,440
Staff, city staff, are currently reviewing an updating data in the draft strategic housing

2583
03:27:25,440 --> 03:27:28,120
action plan that was developed in 2019.

2584
03:27:29,500 --> 03:27:34,180
The updated plan will include new data and opportunities for a public input.

2585
03:27:42,660 --> 03:27:48,960
ECD or economic development, 2.1, discusses protecting and promoting land uses the support

2586
03:27:48,960 --> 03:27:54,900
targeted industries, support diversification of the city's tax base and enhance economic

2587
03:27:54,900 --> 03:28:00,360
development by using tools such as intentional infrastructure planning, recruitment, and the use

2588
03:28:00,360 --> 03:28:02,240
of the land entitlement process.

2589
03:28:03,500 --> 03:28:09,080
Implementation should include a balance about the retention of small business and talent

2590
03:28:09,080 --> 03:28:11,400
alongside the attraction of new businesses.

2591
03:28:12,700 --> 03:28:18,320
Implementation has been explored through a future update to the economic development policy

2592
03:28:18,980 --> 03:28:23,960
and city staff are exploring a method to track private investments and fiscal impacts

2593
03:28:23,960 --> 03:28:31,480
to the city. And I will put aside note that there is currently an economic development director

2594
03:28:31,480 --> 03:28:34,960
position that's being filled.

2595
03:28:38,520 --> 03:28:42,400
In the final priority that we wish to emphasize for the next

2596
03:28:42,400 --> 03:28:46,540
year is environmental 3.4.

2597
03:28:49,000 --> 03:28:53,020
ENV 3.4 encourages developers to implement green building practices

2598
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and conservation-style development.

2599
03:28:56,540 --> 03:29:02,000
The committee supports cluster-style development types that preserve enhanced or augment the Green Belt Network.

2600
03:29:03,240 --> 03:29:08,360
We also discussed regulatory incentives that may be needed for the implementation of a Green Billing Policy,

2601
03:29:09,620 --> 03:29:20,240
and that city capital projects should also implement Green Billing and Sustainable Site Standards as a model and as a leader of this Green Billing Policy.

2602
03:29:21,500 --> 03:29:25,840
The implementation has been reviewed as part of the planning area district and the development

2603
03:29:25,840 --> 03:29:32,640
code update, and has also addressed in the draft historic preservation plan, and that's

2604
03:29:32,640 --> 03:29:36,720
the priorities that we identified for this upcoming year.

2605
03:29:37,060 --> 03:29:38,000
Thank you.

2606
03:29:39,040 --> 03:29:39,500
Thanks, Robert.

2607
03:29:40,780 --> 03:29:46,880
So, this presentation is also going to be provided to City Council on January 20th and full service

2608
03:29:46,880 --> 03:29:49,940
resource for city council, again during their visioning process.

2609
03:29:50,980 --> 03:29:54,480
Implementation worksheet is also on the city website, and it's in your packet if you want to

2610
03:29:54,480 --> 03:29:58,160
kind of look at some of those items as well, and then we'll be coming to you every single year.

2611
03:29:58,840 --> 03:29:59,880
This concludes our presentation.

2612
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:05,020
It's just informational and so new action is needed at this time. Thank you.

2613
03:30:05,020 --> 03:30:06,920
Thank you.

2614
03:30:06,920 --> 03:30:10,160
Does commission have any questions for staff at this time?

2615
03:30:10,580 --> 03:30:13,320
All right. Seeing that, we'll move on to public hearing. Item number 3.

2616
03:30:15,340 --> 03:30:32,020
CUP-2568, Stoner's Pizza Join, hold a public hearing and consider a request by Tobi Tobi Lee May on behalf of Stoner's Pizza Join for renewal of a conditionally use permit to allow on-premise consumption of beer and wine located at 7.48 and with LBJ Street 1-02.

2617
03:30:32,800 --> 03:30:34,180
Will open public hearing?

2618
03:30:35,080 --> 03:30:43,660
Good evening, commissioners, Caitlin Buck with Planning and Development Services. The subject properties approximately 1-3rd of an acre and is located on the southeast corner of Forest Drive and North LBJ Drive.

2619
03:30:43,660 --> 03:30:46,400
The subject business is an existing restaurant.

2620
03:30:46,980 --> 03:30:49,160
The subject property is zone community commercial.

2621
03:30:49,800 --> 03:30:52,600
The current CEP expires on January 14th of this year.

2622
03:30:52,940 --> 03:30:55,280
No changes have been made to the site plan or floor plan.

2623
03:30:55,620 --> 03:30:57,620
Staff recommends approval with the following conditions.

2624
03:30:58,240 --> 03:31:01,120
The permit shall be valid for three years provided standard dormant.

2625
03:31:01,620 --> 03:31:04,760
No outdoor amplified music shall be permitted after 10pm.

2626
03:31:05,100 --> 03:31:07,200
And the permit shall be located in the same area

2627
03:31:07,200 --> 03:31:09,180
and manner as the certificate of occupancy.

2628
03:31:10,120 --> 03:31:12,240
These conditions are unchanged from previous approvals

2629
03:31:12,240 --> 03:31:13,540
That concludes my presentation.

2630
03:31:17,160 --> 03:31:17,740
Thank you.

2631
03:31:17,880 --> 03:31:20,640
With the public like to speak in favor of your permanent at this time,

2632
03:31:21,000 --> 03:31:22,040
we'll see you may come to the podium.

2633
03:31:23,940 --> 03:31:24,880
That is okay.

2634
03:31:25,180 --> 03:31:27,040
Any of us in the chambers which is speak?

2635
03:31:27,620 --> 03:31:28,960
Any be online which is speak?

2636
03:31:29,360 --> 03:31:30,400
We'll close the public hearing.

2637
03:31:30,780 --> 03:31:35,460
As you chair, I'll make a motion to recommend approval of CUB-2568

2638
03:31:36,040 --> 03:31:37,200
with staff recommendations.

2639
03:31:37,960 --> 03:31:38,360
All second.

2640
03:31:38,980 --> 03:31:40,620
All right, let's do a preview by Commissioner Spell,

2641
03:31:40,660 --> 03:31:43,340
seconded by Commissioner Brillison with staff recommendations,

2642
03:31:43,340 --> 03:31:45,520
any further discussion on this item?

2643
03:31:46,220 --> 03:31:47,300
So you're non-roll call, though, please?

2644
03:31:47,620 --> 03:31:48,560
Dr. Davy Case.

2645
03:31:48,780 --> 03:31:48,800
Hi.

2646
03:31:48,940 --> 03:31:49,700
Ludwig Costia.

2647
03:31:49,800 --> 03:31:50,040
Hi.

2648
03:31:50,140 --> 03:31:51,180
Mara Dunn. Hi.

2649
03:31:51,180 --> 03:31:52,220
Amy Meeks. Hi.

2650
03:31:52,480 --> 03:31:53,180
Griffin Spell. Hi.

2651
03:31:53,180 --> 03:31:54,400
Mara Dunn. Hi.

2652
03:31:54,400 --> 03:31:54,940
We have Agnew.

2653
03:31:55,460 --> 03:31:56,560
Michelle Brullison. Hi.

2654
03:31:56,560 --> 03:31:57,900
Hello, Mr. Proof Careous.

2655
03:32:01,670 --> 03:32:04,990
I'm number four, which is now number six.

2656
03:32:08,120 --> 03:32:09,000
Item number six.

2657
03:32:09,160 --> 03:32:10,620
ZC-2515.

2658
03:32:11,420 --> 03:32:13,100
1537 Post-Road.

2659
03:32:13,300 --> 03:32:14,720
SF-6-2-C-D-4.

2660
03:32:14,980 --> 03:32:17,180
Hold the public hearing and consider requests by Shelton

2661
03:32:17,180 --> 03:32:22,380
new banks on behalf of McGill and Ever-Rosalis for a zoning change from single-family 6s

2662
03:32:22,380 --> 03:32:27,300
SF-6, 2-2-2-4, CD-4 or subject consent of the owner and other less-intent zoning district

2663
03:32:27,300 --> 03:32:33,320
classification for approximately 2-9-4 acres comprising a lot five block one in the WN

2664
03:32:33,320 --> 03:32:37,900
go for the first suburban addition, generally located on the western side of Post Road,

2665
03:32:38,140 --> 03:32:42,560
approximately 100 feet southwest of the intersection between Post Road and Yulid Road.

2666
03:32:43,440 --> 03:32:44,320
Well, open the public hearing?

2667
03:32:45,720 --> 03:32:48,600
Good evening everybody, Julia Clarice and your planner.

2668
03:32:48,980 --> 03:32:53,120
The request this evening is for a zoning change from single family to character district

2669
03:32:53,120 --> 03:32:53,860
four.

2670
03:32:54,420 --> 03:32:58,800
The site is located on post roads just across from the intersection with Uland Road and it

2671
03:32:58,800 --> 03:33:00,500
is currently within the city limits.

2672
03:33:00,920 --> 03:33:01,460
Next slide.

2673
03:33:04,270 --> 03:33:08,290
So this site currently contains one single family structure in terms of surrounding uses.

2674
03:33:08,550 --> 03:33:13,890
We have single family residential, multi-family, open space and also of course you have

2675
03:33:13,890 --> 03:33:21,690
railroad across the street. This is, effectively, proposing to be part of the same application

2676
03:33:21,690 --> 03:33:27,650
of the Bismarck Time Homes, which the Commission approved from single-family 6 to CD4

2677
03:33:27,650 --> 03:33:35,410
back in February. They were part of a request during the Comprehensive Plan. The developer actually

2678
03:33:35,410 --> 03:33:43,350
worked with this city to get those lots changed to mixed use low, and this is kind of a remainder

2679
03:33:43,350 --> 03:33:47,950
track that wasn't included in the application, but is proposing to come in now to effectively

2680
03:33:47,950 --> 03:33:51,010
join that wider development next slide, please.

2681
03:33:52,890 --> 03:33:58,270
So the site is currently zone single-family six, SF6, which is kind of exactly what it says

2682
03:33:58,270 --> 03:34:03,670
in the 10 allows for single-family uses accessory dwelling units with limited home occupation

2683
03:34:03,670 --> 03:34:09,550
and civic uses and they are proposing character district four, which allows for a variety

2684
03:34:09,550 --> 03:34:14,610
of residential uses smaller apartments, town homes, and things like that, with limited commercial

2685
03:34:14,610 --> 03:34:16,690
uses on corners. Next slide, please.

2686
03:34:18,910 --> 03:34:22,150
So as I said, this was part of a wider request to

2687
03:34:22,150 --> 03:34:30,010
update the comprehensive plan to mixed you slow. So mixed you slow are characterized by

2688
03:34:30,010 --> 03:34:34,630
smaller commercial sensors that are walkable, typically in or near neighborhoods, so residents

2689
03:34:34,630 --> 03:34:38,910
have convenience, safe, and extra access to services, and they should be distributed throughout

2690
03:34:38,910 --> 03:34:43,170
the city such as a long quarters and near major intersections. Next slide please.

2691
03:34:46,050 --> 03:34:54,030
There are table 4.1 vision SNTX. The zoning district they are requesting character district

2692
03:34:54,030 --> 03:34:58,330
for should be considered in mixed use low designation. Next slide please.

2693
03:35:00,270 --> 03:35:29,270
As I said, a characteristic forelaze for a variety of residential uses, with limited commercial or mixed uses. On the corner, one thing that makes, it doesn't, it doesn't allow for multi-family, it does allow for apartments. One thing that distinguishes it from CD-5 is currently there is a block-lines maximum of 120 feet. There are proposed amendments to the code that would get rid of this, but that would require a maximum unit size.

2694
03:35:29,270 --> 03:35:34,090
So you wouldn't typically live for large scale apartments, and it does have a height restriction

2695
03:35:34,090 --> 03:35:36,430
of three stories next slide please.

2696
03:35:38,760 --> 03:35:43,740
In terms of environmental constraints, it is located within the Edres Act for Transition

2697
03:35:43,740 --> 03:35:44,140
Zone.

2698
03:35:44,140 --> 03:35:48,920
It is not located within the floodplain or the floodway, and it is not located within this

2699
03:35:48,920 --> 03:35:52,460
and Marcus River corridor or the river protection zone next slide please.

2700
03:35:54,840 --> 03:35:57,180
They will be required to improve the streetscapes.

2701
03:35:57,180 --> 03:36:02,060
The block premise of standards will be required and utilities will be provided by city of

2702
03:36:02,060 --> 03:36:06,280
some markets for their water, wastewater, and electric services next slide, please.

2703
03:36:07,120 --> 03:36:12,880
And staff is recommending approval of CC-2515 as presented that concludes my presentation

2704
03:36:12,880 --> 03:36:17,080
and we do have the applicant in the room, I believe, for any questions.

2705
03:36:18,960 --> 03:36:22,560
Thank you with the opportunity to speak in favor of your permanent this time.

2706
03:36:25,370 --> 03:36:27,690
Let's serve you to state your name and address and we have three minutes.

2707
03:36:29,450 --> 03:36:32,930
My name is Shelton. You banks I live at 136 hours in New brothels, Texas.

2708
03:36:35,390 --> 03:36:40,310
This is basically when we had our property resummed to CD4.

2709
03:36:40,650 --> 03:36:43,370
We extended behind the neighbors a lot.

2710
03:36:43,370 --> 03:36:49,010
and since the conversations with the neighbor they would like to go to CD4 as well that would be

2711
03:36:49,010 --> 03:36:56,750
can join it as one larger property. So the Rosalysis had me do their, you know, the application.

2712
03:36:58,170 --> 03:37:02,530
So I enjoy it pretty much explained what it was. It's just a continuation of what's already there.

2713
03:37:04,050 --> 03:37:09,220
I'm going to have to answer any questions if you have any. Thank you, sir. Thank you.

2714
03:37:09,580 --> 03:37:13,180
Anyone else in the chambers? Which is speak? Anybody online? Which is speak?

2715
03:37:13,640 --> 03:37:15,280
All right, seeing that will close public hearing.

2716
03:37:16,380 --> 03:37:21,280
Mr. Chair, I'm going to make a motion to recommend the approval of the ZEC 2515.

2717
03:37:22,060 --> 03:37:22,760
I'll second.

2718
03:37:23,480 --> 03:37:26,760
We got motion to approve by Commissioner Spell's seconded by Commissioner Costia.

2719
03:37:28,040 --> 03:37:29,180
Any further discussion on this item?

2720
03:37:30,940 --> 03:37:32,100
Seeing that roll call, please?

2721
03:37:32,580 --> 03:37:32,780
Sure.

2722
03:37:33,060 --> 03:37:33,420
Thank you, Christina.

2723
03:37:34,100 --> 03:37:34,560
All right, done.

2724
03:37:35,240 --> 03:37:35,840
Amy Mix.

2725
03:37:36,200 --> 03:37:36,300
Hi.

2726
03:37:36,300 --> 03:37:38,100
We're out of an article.

2727
03:37:38,600 --> 03:37:38,760
Hi.

2728
03:37:39,040 --> 03:37:39,720
William Agnew.

2729
03:37:39,720 --> 03:37:40,840
All right, shall we listen?

2730
03:37:41,120 --> 03:37:41,140
Hi.

2731
03:37:41,560 --> 03:37:41,880
David Case.

2732
03:37:42,300 --> 03:37:44,900
The motion to approve the carries.

2733
03:37:45,980 --> 03:37:46,200
Okay.

2734
03:37:46,220 --> 03:37:47,160
And it points to our bylaws.

2735
03:37:47,300 --> 03:37:47,920
It's 10 o'clock.

2736
03:37:48,400 --> 03:37:50,720
We will consider a motion to...

2737
03:37:51,660 --> 03:37:53,080
What is the proper wording for this?

2738
03:37:53,140 --> 03:37:57,080
Here I'm going to make a motion to continue the meeting after a 10 minute recess.

2739
03:37:57,940 --> 03:37:58,180
Okay.

2740
03:37:59,140 --> 03:38:02,680
The motion to approve a motion to continue the meeting after a 10 minute recess.

2741
03:38:02,800 --> 03:38:03,300
We have a second.

2742
03:38:04,220 --> 03:38:05,660
I'll seconded by Commissioner Brillison.

2743
03:38:06,300 --> 03:38:08,620
You've heard the discussion on the recess.

2744
03:38:09,120 --> 03:38:10,840
See you then, roll call vote.

2745
03:38:10,980 --> 03:38:11,080
Sure.

2746
03:38:11,300 --> 03:38:11,840
More ahead, done.

2747
03:38:12,100 --> 03:38:12,240
Hi.

2748
03:38:12,480 --> 03:38:13,500
Amy Weeks.

2749
03:38:13,740 --> 03:38:14,100
Griffin Spell.

2750
03:38:14,780 --> 03:38:14,860
Wait a minute.

2751
03:38:16,240 --> 03:38:16,880
All right.

2752
03:38:16,960 --> 03:38:17,440
Shelby Wilson.

2753
03:40:32,850 --> 03:40:38,430
The meeting back to order at 1017 p.m. brings us to item number.

2754
03:40:43,240 --> 03:40:46,740
No, it's item number 5, but it was 6, and so forth.

2755
03:40:51,860 --> 03:41:10,120
For PSA-2502, Francis Harris Lane, may vary data center, preferred scenario amendment, hold public hearing, and consider it request by arm rust and brown PLLC on behalf of Highlander SM-1, LLC and Donald and Germain tough to amend the preferred scenario map from conservation cluster to commercial employment low.

2756
03:41:10,120 --> 03:41:16,380
for $199.49 acres of land, more or less, generally located on the western side of Francis

2757
03:41:16,380 --> 03:41:20,180
Harris Lane, south of the intersection between Grant Harris Road and Francis Harris Lane

2758
03:41:20,180 --> 03:41:21,340
in Hayes County, Texas.

2759
03:41:22,240 --> 03:41:23,220
What's up in the public hearing?

2760
03:41:24,700 --> 03:41:25,440
Good evening, everybody.

2761
03:41:25,620 --> 03:41:27,040
Julia Clarie, senior planner.

2762
03:41:27,780 --> 03:41:33,560
So, this is a re-submittal of the preferred scenario amendment PSA 2501 for a proposed

2763
03:41:33,560 --> 03:41:38,680
death-to-sensor, which was brought to the Planning and Zoning Commission last year.

2764
03:41:38,680 --> 03:41:43,280
The site is approximately 200 acres, and is located on Francis Harris Lane.

2765
03:41:43,660 --> 03:41:48,660
The majority of the site is within the city limits, however, approximately 60 acres is still

2766
03:41:48,660 --> 03:41:53,540
in the ATJ, and so there is also a pending annexation case being considered separately

2767
03:41:53,540 --> 03:41:54,380
by council.

2768
03:41:55,020 --> 03:41:59,280
In terms of surrounding land juices, we have rural residential, along the northern boundary

2769
03:41:59,280 --> 03:42:05,500
on Grant Harris, agricultural to the southeast, and the Hayes Energy Power Plant, southwest

2770
03:42:05,500 --> 03:42:10,680
of the site on the other side of Francis Harris Lane. I will note that although the property

2771
03:42:10,680 --> 03:42:17,300
on the eastern side of Francis Harris Lane is vacant in June last year, Council gave initial

2772
03:42:17,300 --> 03:42:23,540
authorization to negotiate a development agreement for a separate data sensor with Savi and that

2773
03:42:23,540 --> 03:42:29,280
is currently under review. There is a cemetery surrounded by the wider site that little square

2774
03:42:29,280 --> 03:42:34,720
in the middle there. However, that is not owned by the applicant and so is not part of this request.

2775
03:42:34,720 --> 03:42:42,780
There are two associated cases, the ZCC-2513, that you'll hear next, which is a resubmittal of ZCC-2502,

2776
03:42:43,580 --> 03:42:46,840
which is also recommended for denial by P&Z back in March.

2777
03:42:47,620 --> 03:42:55,000
And then the annexation case, A and 2502, for the 60 acres in the ETA, which was approved on first reading.

2778
03:42:55,200 --> 03:43:02,640
Earlier this year, however, the second reading was deferred at the request of the applicant, until they received their preferred zoning district.

2779
03:43:02,640 --> 03:43:10,460
next slide please. So just a brief overview of the timeline, so as stated previously, in March

2780
03:43:10,460 --> 03:43:19,500
last year, PNZ voted to recommend the NIL for PSA-2501. Per city code, if PNZ recommends the NIL,

2781
03:43:20,220 --> 03:43:26,600
a sixth-one vote from Council is required for the item to be approved. In August, Council voted

2782
03:43:26,600 --> 03:43:32,640
five to in favor of the request, however, the motion failed as it did not have sufficient votes

2783
03:43:32,640 --> 03:43:38,920
for the supermajority and then in October, the applicant resubmitted a new request, PSA-25

2784
03:43:38,920 --> 03:43:41,880
or two, and the nature of the request is the same.

2785
03:43:44,480 --> 03:43:47,000
So this slide shows a picture of the existing

2786
03:43:47,000 --> 03:43:52,680
slide for context that's taken from Francis Harris Lane looking south. As noted, it is across

2787
03:43:52,680 --> 03:43:55,000
the street from the Hayes Energy Power Plant,

2788
03:43:55,580 --> 03:43:58,400
per staff's understanding the existing infrastructure

2789
03:43:58,400 --> 03:44:01,680
alongside the power plant is one of the main draws

2790
03:44:02,270 --> 03:44:05,120
for data center requests in this area.

2791
03:44:05,520 --> 03:44:06,040
Next slide, please.

2792
03:44:08,040 --> 03:44:10,060
So the request we are discussing this evening

2793
03:44:10,060 --> 03:44:12,800
under the site, is to change the place type

2794
03:44:12,800 --> 03:44:15,700
in the comprehensive plan from conservation cluster

2795
03:44:15,700 --> 03:44:18,000
to commercial employment low in order

2796
03:44:18,000 --> 03:44:20,740
to facilitate the construction of a data center.

2797
03:44:20,740 --> 03:44:26,480
This would match the designation of the adjacent power plant, which would shown in pink on the map.

2798
03:44:28,200 --> 03:44:32,300
So the objective of the current play-stipe, next slide, sorry.

2799
03:44:33,360 --> 03:44:40,280
The objective of the current play-stipe is to identify areas and conserve and reserve for future development,

2800
03:44:40,480 --> 03:44:44,920
as a means of focusing more intense development in other areas of the community.

2801
03:44:44,920 --> 03:44:51,480
development, that does occur when within conservation cluster areas should be low impact

2802
03:44:51,480 --> 03:44:56,280
to the natural environment by using a variety of development techniques and strategies.

2803
03:44:57,360 --> 03:44:59,880
And the critical thing here is per table 4.1.

2804
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:04,880
When someone comes to request the zoning district, they may request character districts, they may request

2805
03:45:04,880 --> 03:45:11,040
MH, manufactured housing, CM commercial, which is probably our least intense commercial district.

2806
03:45:11,740 --> 03:45:18,500
Ft future development and low intensity planning areas, so that does not allow for the light industrial

2807
03:45:18,500 --> 03:45:24,580
request that the applicant is making in the next zoning change. The proposed designation

2808
03:45:24,580 --> 03:45:31,780
would facilitate lower density, auto-oriented retail office and industrial type uses, primarily

2809
03:45:31,780 --> 03:45:36,800
characterised by light to heavy industrial, warehouse and distribution lower density office

2810
03:45:36,800 --> 03:45:40,820
and general commercial, additionally used as main cloud civic institutional and hospitality.

2811
03:45:41,680 --> 03:45:47,160
And, critically, this allows all special districts, so that's our commercial non-residential

2812
03:45:47,160 --> 03:45:52,500
districts, including its light industrial, heavy industrial, heavy commercial, except from the

2813
03:45:52,500 --> 03:45:57,500
In fact, you're housing, character districts 4 and 5 on employment center planning areas.

2814
03:45:58,000 --> 03:45:58,560
Next slide, please.

2815
03:46:02,990 --> 03:46:08,590
So the site is currently the majority of the site is zone character district 2.5, which

2816
03:46:08,590 --> 03:46:15,410
allows predominantly single family uses. With the exception of the power plant, you'll see on this map to the left.

2817
03:46:15,950 --> 03:46:22,030
The surrounding, which is zone heavy industrial, the surrounding land is predominantly located outside the city limits.

2818
03:46:22,030 --> 03:46:24,490
And so it's not subject to zoning.

2819
03:46:25,330 --> 03:46:28,950
There are no known environmental constraints on the property that you'll see on the map to the right.

2820
03:46:29,070 --> 03:46:32,070
It is not located on the floodplain or floodway.

2821
03:46:32,370 --> 03:46:35,970
It is not in the San Marcos River Quarter, the River Protection Zone.

2822
03:46:36,750 --> 03:46:39,410
And in addition, I would note the applicant did progress.

2823
03:46:39,810 --> 03:46:44,510
Some of the way through the permit process for a single family subdivision for the land,

2824
03:46:44,610 --> 03:46:46,270
which is zoned CD2.5.

2825
03:46:47,010 --> 03:46:51,030
And as part of that, they had to do an environmental assessment with their Phase One Watership

2826
03:46:51,030 --> 03:46:56,230
technical plan, which concluded that there were no federally endangered species within the site.

2827
03:46:56,590 --> 03:46:56,970
Next slide.

2828
03:46:59,690 --> 03:47:03,850
So, here we have the city's stirrup plan and the water waste motor map.

2829
03:47:04,710 --> 03:47:11,270
Grant Harris wrote, I will note along the northern boundary was identified by the city as a

2830
03:47:11,270 --> 03:47:15,910
thoroughfare in our transportation master plan, and so the developer would be required to

2831
03:47:15,910 --> 03:47:18,970
incorporate it into their development at the time of plating.

2832
03:47:19,770 --> 03:47:25,390
That's a separate process if somebody wished to amend the transportation master plan that would be done separately.

2833
03:47:26,350 --> 03:47:31,410
To the right, you will see the city's water and water and wastewater map.

2834
03:47:31,930 --> 03:47:40,650
One thing to note is that the site is in the CCN for crystal clear and not the city and so the water would be provided by crystal clear.

2835
03:47:40,650 --> 03:47:47,450
Although, I will note that per data obtained from Crystal Clear's website, their water

2836
03:47:47,450 --> 03:47:53,470
is sourced from the Edres Aquifer Lake Dunlap, Curiscal Wilcox Aquifer, and the Sunmarkous

2837
03:47:53,470 --> 03:47:53,850
River.

2838
03:47:55,170 --> 03:47:59,350
Staff have not had any correspondence with Crystal Clear regarding the State of Central

2839
03:47:59,350 --> 03:48:00,070
Project.

2840
03:48:00,510 --> 03:48:05,950
However, prefer the applicant the intent to use a closed lip water system that can be accommodated

2841
03:48:05,950 --> 03:48:10,430
by the amount of water that was previously agreed upon to serve the single family.

2842
03:48:10,430 --> 03:48:12,250
subdivision next slide please.

2843
03:48:15,070 --> 03:48:17,010
So the applicant has stated that they are

2844
03:48:17,010 --> 03:48:21,970
amenable to search in restrictive covenants and a draft of those covenants are

2845
03:48:21,970 --> 03:48:26,470
included in your packets for reference because they're part of the application.

2846
03:48:27,650 --> 03:48:32,250
The applicant is proposing a prohibition on warehouse and distribution and waste

2847
03:48:32,250 --> 03:48:36,530
release services which are typically allowed under late industrial zoning and if a

2848
03:48:36,530 --> 03:48:45,410
The data center is developed, water usage at the site will not exceed 235 liwis, or 75,000

2849
03:48:45,410 --> 03:48:51,790
gallons per day, which would be achieved through a closed lip water system, which recirculates

2850
03:48:51,790 --> 03:48:53,090
the water to kill the servers.

2851
03:48:54,230 --> 03:48:58,710
Drainage facilities would be designed and constructed so that the rate of run-off from the

2852
03:48:58,710 --> 03:49:04,590
site after construction shall be 10% less than the run-off prior to construction for 2,10,

2853
03:49:04,590 --> 03:49:06,650
25 and 100-year storm frequencies,

2854
03:49:09,270 --> 03:49:12,990
and in addition, the draft also references work of protection

2855
03:49:12,990 --> 03:49:16,970
provisions in accordance with state and federal law and a statement that water quality

2856
03:49:16,970 --> 03:49:22,230
facilities will be constructed, then the TSS or total suspended solid removal requirement

2857
03:49:22,230 --> 03:49:29,050
of at least 80% of the site, next slide, and then additionally in the short of covenants.

2858
03:49:29,770 --> 03:49:37,630
Inpervious cover would be limited to 70% compared to 80% that's permitted on to the light industrial zoning.

2859
03:49:38,730 --> 03:49:44,830
The building would be lead certified and the sound at the property line shall not exceed 75 decibels.

2860
03:49:45,250 --> 03:49:53,790
So for contrast, current city code limits noise to 85 decibels between 10 a.m. and 75 decibels between 10 p.m.

2861
03:49:53,790 --> 03:49:58,030
on 10 a.m. I would like to reassure it to the commission that although the draft

2862
03:49:58,030 --> 03:49:59,970
restrictive covenants have been included in it.

2863
03:50:00,000 --> 03:50:06,540
Our packet as part of the application package for reference, restrictive covenants are funds immensely under the

2864
03:50:06,540 --> 03:50:15,900
purview of city council. However, any specific suggestions are requested made by the commission will be included in the meeting summary in the staff report, which is then forwarded to council.

2865
03:50:18,410 --> 03:50:29,010
So, this is the timetable following PNC's recommendation. It will then go to council for two public hearings with a second reading in March if it is approved. Next slide, please.

2866
03:50:30,850 --> 03:50:36,710
So, as we did at our last meeting, I am going to present, the next few slides which were

2867
03:50:36,710 --> 03:50:43,630
presented by the City Manager's office to cancel during the August meeting for PSA-251 and

2868
03:50:43,630 --> 03:50:50,090
so we're also providing them for P to P and Z for additional, for added context, I will note

2869
03:50:50,090 --> 03:50:55,530
that where feasible figures have been updated to reflect current data next slide, please.

2870
03:50:56,610 --> 03:51:01,870
So, the first slide section pertains to noise and impact on adjacent neighborhoods.

2871
03:51:02,550 --> 03:51:11,510
Next slide. This is a map of 370 existing and planned data centers located in various cities and counties across Texas.

2872
03:51:11,950 --> 03:51:12,450
Next slide, please.

2873
03:51:14,130 --> 03:51:17,130
As shown on the map, next slide, sorry.

2874
03:51:17,810 --> 03:51:23,370
As shown on this map, over 180 data centers are located in the Dallas Fort Worth area.

2875
03:51:23,370 --> 03:51:31,130
about 150 in Houston market area, nearly 50 in the San Antonio market area, and 36 in the

2876
03:51:31,130 --> 03:51:35,930
Austin market area. You have heard public concerns, raised about noise from data centers,

2877
03:51:36,390 --> 03:51:41,470
and some of the related health effects. The most frequently cited example is Grandbury

2878
03:51:41,470 --> 03:51:47,390
Texas, which has generated significant complaints that has come the poster child for data

2879
03:51:47,390 --> 03:51:54,750
center noise problems, Grandbury has an air-cult facility, which is not proposed here.

2880
03:51:55,930 --> 03:51:58,510
Next slide, and then next slide again, please.

2881
03:51:59,950 --> 03:52:00,810
Closer to home.

2882
03:52:02,110 --> 03:52:06,810
Here is an existing data center complex, located within the San Antonio City limits.

2883
03:52:07,710 --> 03:52:12,050
These four data sense of buildings are located directly next to a single family neighborhood

2884
03:52:12,050 --> 03:52:17,670
and also adjacent to a school in the west over Hills community in San Antonio next slide.

2885
03:52:20,420 --> 03:52:25,340
It is important to note that data centers very widely in their design, equipment, layout

2886
03:52:25,340 --> 03:52:26,420
and cooling technologies.

2887
03:52:27,040 --> 03:52:31,400
From a visual and noise standpoint, you can see structured walls, structural walls built

2888
03:52:31,400 --> 03:52:36,220
around their outdoor generators through an open records request it was determined that there

2889
03:52:36,220 --> 03:52:39,500
were no noise complaints on record for this particular site.

2890
03:52:39,500 --> 03:52:44,160
I would not have a ver, and I think this was spoken to during the citizen comment period,

2891
03:52:44,620 --> 03:52:48,140
that this is just one type of data sensor, and there are data sensor satellites,

2892
03:52:48,420 --> 03:52:53,020
which are substantially larger in scale and power usage than this example.

2893
03:52:53,600 --> 03:52:54,380
Next slide please.

2894
03:52:57,220 --> 03:53:00,320
So the proposed site is directly adjacent that Hayes Energy Plant,

2895
03:53:00,400 --> 03:53:04,260
which is zoned heavy industrial, and it already produces some periodic noise.

2896
03:53:04,840 --> 03:53:07,720
There are already restrictive covenants in place on the Mavery property,

2897
03:53:07,720 --> 03:53:13,380
which was planned for residential subdivision to help protect new homeowners from noise from the

2898
03:53:13,380 --> 03:53:18,880
power plant next slide. From a land use perspective, the question before you is whether it's more

2899
03:53:18,880 --> 03:53:24,620
appropriate to place 470 single family homes on a data center next to the power plant.

2900
03:53:25,020 --> 03:53:29,500
While some may wish for a third alternative, the property is already zoned and entitled for single

2901
03:53:29,500 --> 03:53:34,920
family homes. The decision before you tonight is whether to allow industrial zoning instead next

2902
03:53:34,920 --> 03:53:35,300
slide.

2903
03:53:37,680 --> 03:53:43,380
Now we will discuss water and energy demand next slide. Historically, many data

2904
03:53:43,380 --> 03:53:48,260
sensors have used evaporative cooling systems which require significant amounts of water

2905
03:53:48,260 --> 03:53:52,600
and lose much of it as steam. The project before you tonight has committed to a closed

2906
03:53:52,600 --> 03:53:55,360
loop non- evaporative cooling system next slide.

2907
03:53:58,060 --> 03:54:00,340
Using a closed-loop system, the proposed data

2908
03:54:00,340 --> 03:54:05,340
center's allocation is 75,000 gallons per day, or 235 land use

2909
03:54:05,340 --> 03:54:08,660
equipment, L-U-E's, or single family homes.

2910
03:54:09,220 --> 03:54:12,480
By comparison, the residential subdivision that can be built already

2911
03:54:12,480 --> 03:54:16,460
had more than twice this water contracted and allocated by Crystal Clear

2912
03:54:16,460 --> 03:54:18,660
Special Utility District. Next slide.

2913
03:54:20,220 --> 03:54:24,560
Actual daily usage was stated as 4,000 to 7,000 gallons per building across

2914
03:54:24,560 --> 03:54:28,980
five buildings, this equals 20,000 to 35,000 gallons per day.

2915
03:54:28,980 --> 03:54:35,300
By comparison, the 470 homes of division would use considerably more water, at least at least

2916
03:54:35,300 --> 03:54:37,300
twice as much, even under drought restrictions.

2917
03:54:38,260 --> 03:54:42,240
So in practical terms, the data center would use less water from our local water supply

2918
03:54:42,240 --> 03:54:44,960
than the residential subdivision alternative next slide.

2919
03:54:48,300 --> 03:54:52,520
Concerns have rightly been raised about the large power demands of the data center industry

2920
03:54:52,520 --> 03:54:54,680
and the water used to generate that power.

2921
03:54:54,920 --> 03:54:59,660
Our COAT and transmission service providers such as LCRA managed grid connections by evaluating

2922
03:55:00,000 --> 03:55:04,720
Whether there is adequate generation and transmission capacity to a data center site.

2923
03:55:05,220 --> 03:55:11,340
Data centers are placed in a queue for approval as power and transmission capacity or system upgrades are identified.

2924
03:55:12,100 --> 03:55:18,000
The graphic on the right was taken from the ERCOT website and shows different electricity services across the state.

2925
03:55:18,460 --> 03:55:22,680
The water used to generate power varies widely depending on the power source.

2926
03:55:22,680 --> 03:55:27,840
Solar and wind power uses little to no water, natural gas plants may be water cooled,

2927
03:55:28,360 --> 03:55:33,380
thin cooling towers which are losing water to evaporation or air cooled, thin air cooled gas

2928
03:55:33,380 --> 03:55:35,080
turbines, not using no water.

2929
03:55:35,740 --> 03:55:39,760
Because of this mix of power generation sources, it is impossible to identify the actual

2930
03:55:39,760 --> 03:55:44,320
slush of water or calculate the exact amounts of water that would be required to generate

2931
03:55:44,320 --> 03:55:48,680
grid power for this facility or any other customer on the ERCOT grid.

2932
03:55:48,680 --> 03:55:54,060
However, it is clear that some power generation facilities across the state do use significant

2933
03:55:54,060 --> 03:55:55,040
amounts of water.

2934
03:55:55,340 --> 03:55:59,820
This is one reason why some suggest the data-centric contract directly with his energy,

2935
03:56:00,220 --> 03:56:04,080
which uses reclaimed waste water with the city of St. Marcus for cooling, next slide.

2936
03:56:05,900 --> 03:56:08,260
Next we will talk about financials, next slide.

2937
03:56:10,620 --> 03:56:15,240
The city faces growing financial challenges, including state-imposed revenue caps, declining

2938
03:56:15,240 --> 03:56:20,200
commercial and residential property values, declining sales tax revenue, increased costs

2939
03:56:20,200 --> 03:56:25,260
from state mandates and increasing population to serve. Combined, these factors are projected

2940
03:56:25,260 --> 03:56:30,620
to lead to large budget shortfalls, which will ultimately mean reduced services for residents

2941
03:56:30,620 --> 03:56:33,480
and less new revenue is identified next slide.

2942
03:56:35,990 --> 03:56:40,650
Property tax revenues from the proposed project are generated from the land and the buildings

2943
03:56:40,650 --> 03:56:45,990
which typically increase in value over time and the servers and other equipment housing

2944
03:56:45,990 --> 03:56:49,970
side, which depreciates over several years, but are eventually replaced.

2945
03:56:50,730 --> 03:56:57,290
This project anticipates a minimum investment of $1.5 billion on the $200 acre site.

2946
03:56:57,590 --> 03:57:03,570
The chart includes a $500 million and $1.5 billion tax revenue projection, so you can

2947
03:57:03,570 --> 03:57:07,590
see the amounts of revenue to the city, school district, and county next slide.

2948
03:57:09,470 --> 03:57:11,510
So to summarize, next slide.

2949
03:57:12,150 --> 03:57:16,290
For a data center that is proposed to be built within the city limits, we have the ability

2950
03:57:16,290 --> 03:57:21,010
to regulate and limit onsite water use to achieve higher levels of flood and storm

2951
03:57:21,010 --> 03:57:26,850
water quality protection, the ability to regulate noise, and finally the ability to capture

2952
03:57:26,850 --> 03:57:30,010
tax revenue to fund city services for our residents.

2953
03:57:30,490 --> 03:57:35,130
However, whether a data center is built within the city, in the county or somewhere in the

2954
03:57:35,130 --> 03:57:40,470
region, every new data center that pulls power from the ERCock grid continues to strain

2955
03:57:40,470 --> 03:57:47,050
and already strained state electric grid, and will require some level of water to generate

2956
03:57:47,050 --> 03:57:48,810
power somewhere in the state.

2957
03:57:50,110 --> 03:57:54,010
So I'm going to go back to the planning staff presentation next slide.

2958
03:57:55,030 --> 03:57:58,570
So staff is recommending a approval of this request as presented.

2959
03:57:58,950 --> 03:58:03,010
This recommendation is predominantly based on the fact that the majority of the property

2960
03:58:03,010 --> 03:58:07,410
is currently zoned for single family, and they're proposed late industrial zoning in

2961
03:58:07,410 --> 03:58:08,850
the associated zoning case.

2962
03:58:09,350 --> 03:58:15,590
It's considered to be more compatible with the adjacent heavy industrial power plant than a single family neighborhood.

2963
03:58:16,910 --> 03:58:18,230
That concludes my presentation.

2964
03:58:19,210 --> 03:58:25,110
We have the applicant and I think many other people in the room wishing to speak.

2965
03:58:25,610 --> 03:58:25,850
Thank you.

2966
03:58:27,830 --> 03:58:28,310
Thank you.

2967
03:58:33,340 --> 03:58:35,920
With the applicant like to speak in favor of your permit at this time.

2968
03:58:47,340 --> 03:58:48,360
Please state your name and address.

2969
03:58:48,500 --> 03:58:49,260
We have three minutes.

2970
03:58:51,780 --> 03:58:57,800
Thank you, Michael Whalen, 100 Congress Avenue in Boston, Texas, chair, commissioners.

2971
03:58:58,120 --> 03:59:03,460
I want to address two related questions that are both reasonable and important.

2972
03:59:03,860 --> 03:59:09,680
How long this facility lasts and what happens is technology changes in how that values assessed.

2973
03:59:10,460 --> 03:59:13,140
Julie, just covered that a little bit first on lifespan.

2974
03:59:13,780 --> 03:59:18,140
The tax revenue begins once each building is completed and placed on the tax rules,

2975
03:59:18,140 --> 03:59:23,500
because construction is phased, revenue will accrue incrementally as each building comes online.

2976
03:59:24,400 --> 03:59:30,320
Modern data centers are not short-lived facilities. The building shell itself is a long-duration

2977
03:59:30,320 --> 03:59:36,700
asset designed to last multiple decades, far longer than conventional industrial buildings.

2978
03:59:37,280 --> 03:59:42,580
What changes over time is not the structure, but it was just noted the equipment inside.

2979
03:59:43,260 --> 03:59:47,260
And that distinction matters. The servers, racks, and supporting systems and data centers

2980
03:59:47,260 --> 03:59:49,280
are not static assets.

2981
03:59:50,220 --> 03:59:55,620
They are refreshed on regular cycles driven by technological innovation, not physical decay.

2982
03:59:56,140 --> 03:59:59,840
Hardware is replaced, density increases, and efficiency improves.

2983
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:22,900
In other words, the facility evolves continuously rather than aging into obsolescence. So this leads to another important point about the assessed value, because data centers behave very differently from most industrial uses, most industrial facilities follow a familiar pattern. You build them, they peek in value on day one and from that point forward, they depreciate.

2984
04:00:22,900 --> 04:00:30,180
Equipment ages, productivity declines, and over time, the tax base slowly erodes in a typical industrial building.

2985
04:00:30,540 --> 04:00:35,480
Data centers do not follow that pattern because the equipment inside a data center is routinely upgraded.

2986
04:00:36,140 --> 04:00:42,320
The business personal properties continually re-reported and re-value as technology advances.

2987
04:00:42,960 --> 04:00:47,720
The capital invested inside the building is renewed rather than allowed to run down.

2988
04:00:48,160 --> 04:00:51,820
From an appraisal standpoint, that means this is not a shrinking tax base.

2989
04:00:51,820 --> 04:00:53,180
It is an evergreen one.

2990
04:00:53,420 --> 04:00:58,980
Instead of steady depreciation, the reinvestment inside the building causes ongoing reinvestment

2991
04:00:58,980 --> 04:01:02,680
that sustains and grows assessed value over the life of the facility.

2992
04:01:03,260 --> 04:01:08,560
That makes it a far more durable and predictable contributor to the tax base over the long

2993
04:01:08,560 --> 04:01:08,860
term.

2994
04:01:09,540 --> 04:01:14,880
Finally, on the question of an obsolescence, if technology changes the response is not abandonment,

2995
04:01:14,960 --> 04:01:16,400
it is retrofit and reuse.

2996
04:01:16,480 --> 04:01:21,180
These facilities are designed to adapt, even in some distant future, for facility wherever

2997
04:01:21,180 --> 04:01:26,640
to cease operations, the building itself, remain a high-quality service-ready industrial asset,

2998
04:01:27,140 --> 04:01:29,960
capable of reuse or redevelopment under existing regulation.

2999
04:01:30,560 --> 04:01:31,840
The conclusion is straight forward.

3000
04:01:32,160 --> 04:01:33,500
This is not temporary use.

3001
04:01:33,660 --> 04:01:38,640
It is a long-lived, continually upgraded facility that aligns well with long-termly and

3002
04:01:38,640 --> 04:01:43,560
use planning and provides a stable, renewable source of the assessed value for the community.

3003
04:01:44,400 --> 04:01:44,700
Thanks.

3004
04:01:46,280 --> 04:01:46,820
Thanks, there.

3005
04:01:48,000 --> 04:01:51,780
Mr. Swank, please get your name and address and three mayors, swank, Dallas, Texas.

3006
04:01:52,860 --> 04:01:56,900
I would like to just speak for this moment about the fairness issue on the electric grid

3007
04:01:56,900 --> 04:02:02,940
and demand as a whole. In Texas, as many of you know, large data centers are subject

3008
04:02:02,940 --> 04:02:07,920
to what is recently been passed, the Senate Bill 6, which requires on-site backup generation

3009
04:02:08,460 --> 04:02:14,620
capable of supporting operations during grid emergencies. This is not voluntary, and that's very important

3010
04:02:14,620 --> 04:02:20,680
note, it is not optional. It is a statutory requirement under state law. What that means

3011
04:02:20,680 --> 04:02:28,040
in a very practical terms. During winter storms or during extreme heat, time frames or

3012
04:02:28,040 --> 04:02:35,200
any particular type of event, this facility is designed to operate independently of the electric grid.

3013
04:02:35,480 --> 04:02:40,340
It does not compete with residents of electricity. When backup systems are running, the facility

3014
04:02:40,340 --> 04:02:46,140
is not drawing power from the homes, it is reducing demand at precisely the moment when the grid

3015
04:02:46,140 --> 04:02:46,940
is most vulnerable.

3016
04:02:47,180 --> 04:02:50,880
And this is one of the benefits that really data centers provide because it begins to create

3017
04:02:50,880 --> 04:02:55,620
a elasticity in the grid that the grid is needing, so desperately today.

3018
04:02:56,060 --> 04:03:01,240
It's also worth noting that Senate Bill six passed with large bipartisan majorities in both chambers

3019
04:03:01,240 --> 04:03:06,060
of the Texas legislature, and it was supported by the Lone Star chapter of this e-air club.

3020
04:03:06,060 --> 04:03:11,240
In other words, this law was crafted not just with economic growth in mind, but with grid

3021
04:03:11,240 --> 04:03:14,840
reliability and environmental responsibility, front and center.

3022
04:03:15,620 --> 04:03:20,580
The goal was to require major financial commitments from large users, improve her

3023
04:03:20,580 --> 04:03:26,400
cost demand forecasting, and ensure that facilities like this actively support grid stability

3024
04:03:26,400 --> 04:03:27,500
during emergencies.

3025
04:03:28,240 --> 04:03:33,300
In addition, hercotting recently relies on pertailment, what I mean by pertailment is dropping

3026
04:03:33,300 --> 04:03:39,320
a load. In other words, the load goes off the grid. And demand response programs as one reliability

3027
04:03:39,320 --> 04:03:45,720
tool. Large facilities like this are engineered specifically to participate in those programs.

3028
04:03:46,400 --> 04:03:51,140
And this is important note, shedding load, or operating off-grid, when directed to help prevent,

3029
04:03:51,140 --> 04:03:56,020
not create, but help prevent brownouts that have been brought up this evening and blackouts.

3030
04:03:56,420 --> 04:04:02,580
That capability is not incidental. It is designed into the project. So this directly answers the

3031
04:04:02,580 --> 04:04:08,980
question. This project operates under strict requirements more strict than residential. It pays for

3032
04:04:08,980 --> 04:04:13,780
its own infrastructure. It installs redundant systems. It is interruptible when necessary,

3033
04:04:14,420 --> 04:04:19,360
and it is regulated and monitored under ERCOT and state law. The idea that a data center would somehow

3034
04:04:19,360 --> 04:04:25,180
keep power while residents go without is simply incorrect. Under Texas law and grid operations facilities

3035
04:04:25,180 --> 04:04:30,720
like this are designed to take pressure off the grid during emergencies not add to it. So be

3036
04:04:30,720 --> 04:04:34,360
It is cleared for the record. The project complies with Senate Bill 6. It complies with

3037
04:04:34,360 --> 04:04:39,420
the record. Reliability protocols. It is not increased rates. It does not crowd out

3038
04:04:39,420 --> 04:04:44,380
future growth. And it does not put residents at risk during extreme events. Instead,

3039
04:04:44,400 --> 04:04:49,400
it represents a privately funded, highly regulated investment in resilient infrastructure

3040
04:04:49,400 --> 04:04:54,500
that supports hospitals, emergency services, utilities, and everyday digital activity.

3041
04:04:54,900 --> 04:04:55,700
Thank you very much.

3042
04:04:56,720 --> 04:04:59,980
Thanks, sir. Mr. Mayberry. Namely trust, please.

3043
04:05:00,700 --> 04:05:27,500
John Mayberry, 2505, Austin Lane, Austin, Texas. I want to focus on three simple points on the zoning front. First, this is the right use for this location. The site sits next to an existing heavy industrial zone power plant at the convergence of major power gas and fiber infrastructure. From a land use standpoint, this is exactly where light industrial uses belong. Second, the alternative development is a worse outcome from the city on every metric.

3044
04:05:28,140 --> 04:05:32,440
Today, this property is entitled in zone for a large-dense single-family subdivision.

3045
04:05:32,900 --> 04:05:38,620
Let's be clear, this is not zone to conservation cluster. It is zone already CD2.5.

3046
04:05:39,240 --> 04:05:43,240
That used means significantly more water demand, far greater demand for city services,

3047
04:05:43,880 --> 04:05:46,060
no jobs, and a fraction of the tax revenue.

3048
04:05:47,000 --> 04:05:50,940
Third, if data centers are coming to this particular note of infrastructure, and they are,

3049
04:05:51,340 --> 04:05:54,140
this is the right way to do it, and for the city to set the gold standard.

3050
04:05:54,140 --> 04:05:59,540
The question isn't whether these facilities will be built, the question is whether they locate inside the city,

3051
04:05:59,960 --> 04:06:04,700
subject to city regulation, or whether they get pushed into the county where the city has no control and receives no benefit.

3052
04:06:05,540 --> 04:06:12,160
With this project, via the restrictive covenant that's included in your packets and summarized in the handouts, the city gets protections,

3053
04:06:13,000 --> 04:06:18,880
commitments, union labor, engagement, environmental standards, and tax base support that simply does not exist outside city limits.

3054
04:06:18,880 --> 04:06:22,740
Think of what this means for other data centers coming to the area, or even the broader

3055
04:06:22,740 --> 04:06:23,880
data center industry.

3056
04:06:24,460 --> 04:06:28,040
Sam Marcus will be putting a stake in the ground such that any new development will

3057
04:06:28,040 --> 04:06:28,920
be held to this standard.

3058
04:06:29,300 --> 04:06:33,060
Any neighboring jurisdiction can look at data center development, I say, why can't you

3059
04:06:33,060 --> 04:06:34,860
make the commitments that were made in Sam Marcus?

3060
04:06:35,540 --> 04:06:37,660
This is an opportunity for Sam Marcus to lead.

3061
04:06:38,580 --> 04:06:42,620
Now it's important to emphasize once again the facts about the water on this project.

3062
04:06:43,280 --> 04:06:47,800
Water service will be provided by Crystal Clear under established CCN boundaries through

3063
04:06:47,800 --> 04:06:52,620
this steam water supply contract. The allocation for this site was originally sized for residential

3064
04:06:52,620 --> 04:06:56,480
development, which would have required far more water for daily household use in irrigation.

3065
04:06:57,240 --> 04:07:01,040
A data center is fundamentally different. This facility uses a closed loop, non-evaporative

3066
04:07:01,040 --> 04:07:05,880
cooling system, enshrined in the restrictive covenant. Actually, actual water use will be substantially

3067
04:07:05,880 --> 04:07:10,120
lower than what the property was already entitled to use, like I said, that's in the restrictive

3068
04:07:10,120 --> 04:07:14,980
covenant. The staff has consulted with other cities about the impact of data centers and confirmed

3069
04:07:14,980 --> 04:07:17,640
that there's been no formal complaints and comparable facilities.

3070
04:07:18,400 --> 04:07:20,960
So what you have before you is not a risky or speculative proposal.

3071
04:07:21,300 --> 04:07:25,480
It has a change from a buy-right residential outcome to a lower impact.

3072
04:07:25,960 --> 04:07:29,740
Infrastructure appropriate use that is compatible with the adjacent power plant

3073
04:07:29,740 --> 04:07:36,320
with enforceable operating conditions, lower water use, lower water use, fully funded infrastructure,

3074
04:07:37,000 --> 04:07:38,720
and long-term fiscal benefit to the city.

3075
04:07:39,100 --> 04:07:42,000
We've stayed engaged, we've worked through the process, we've worked with staff

3076
04:07:42,000 --> 04:07:46,340
the community to put real commitments into writing that are binding. And for this reason, we think

3077
04:07:47,580 --> 04:07:52,740
this zoning and amendment is appropriate. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. We are now open this

3078
04:07:52,740 --> 04:07:56,880
one up to the chambers for our public hearing. I will list four names at a time. If you would

3079
04:07:56,880 --> 04:08:06,080
please come to the podium, Jose Lazano, Mary Littlefield, Divine, Tory Martin, and Charles

3080
04:08:06,080 --> 04:08:06,460
setting.

3081
04:08:11,060 --> 04:08:15,740
You may speak as first come first sir. Please state your name and address. We have three minutes.

3082
04:08:20,420 --> 04:08:26,940
My name is Mary Littlefield Divine and as I've already mentioned I live in Hayes County and I am a

3083
04:08:26,940 --> 04:08:34,420
goat farmer. I have ag exemption on my property. I'm very near this proposed development. I am confused about a lot of

3084
04:08:34,420 --> 04:08:41,320
things because I'm hearing conflicting information. One, this is supposed to be like a low employment setting.

3085
04:08:41,320 --> 04:08:47,400
but then we're also being told that it's going to be bringing jobs and that's creating a little bit of confusion.

3086
04:08:48,500 --> 04:08:55,280
Also, I'm concerned because the zoning for light industrial may not be the appropriate zoning for this facility.

3087
04:08:55,920 --> 04:09:02,060
There's a lot to consider regarding the reality that the energy demands and the capital investment,

3088
04:09:02,660 --> 04:09:04,600
though it is a low employment setting.

3089
04:09:05,200 --> 04:09:10,740
Bringing very few jobs to our community for the long term because many of those people will be working remotely from other areas.

3090
04:09:10,740 --> 04:09:19,200
and not necessarily paying taxes here, but at any rate, why are we considering this as light

3091
04:09:19,200 --> 04:09:25,260
industry, light industrial, when in many communities, they have to rezone to create their

3092
04:09:25,260 --> 04:09:31,140
own zoning for data centers, because they don't easily fit into any specific zoning, and

3093
04:09:31,140 --> 04:09:37,040
I think it just opens up the possibility for slippery slope where we aren't really clear

3094
04:09:37,040 --> 04:09:40,900
on what kind of industry is coming here and what the requirements are.

3095
04:09:41,460 --> 04:09:46,540
So I'm concerned about those things I've spoken again in time again about the impact on the

3096
04:09:46,540 --> 04:09:54,100
agricultural region, on our waterways, on our livestock, on our health, on the impact of

3097
04:09:54,100 --> 04:09:59,920
mental and physical health regarding insomnia, anxiety, cognitive dissonance.

3098
04:10:00,000 --> 04:10:10,940
On cardiac events, on respiratory events. And this whole idea that this is such a bed of roses when it's actually going to kill us to some extent.

3099
04:10:11,460 --> 04:10:23,900
I have provided CPR to a loved one. My husband who did die anyway. If you want to find out what that's like, you can ask me personally. I'm really not interested in living in an environment that increases the risk that that could happen for me again.

3100
04:10:23,900 --> 04:10:28,960
So I, again, oppose this and I feel that it is very confusing.

3101
04:10:29,660 --> 04:10:32,960
There's a lot being floated out there that isn't necessarily true.

3102
04:10:33,300 --> 04:10:38,260
And we know from national data that absolutely this impacts the local water supplies,

3103
04:10:38,760 --> 04:10:41,740
the brown-outs, the surge fires and other events.

3104
04:10:42,400 --> 04:10:48,100
And this is not something that is just going to be overcome because Mayberry says so.

3105
04:10:48,320 --> 04:10:49,260
It's not reality.

3106
04:10:49,680 --> 04:10:52,640
So please keep us in reality, so that we continue to be safe

3107
04:10:52,640 --> 04:11:22,620
And protect our loved ones, our investments, our ag land, our ag exemption, our livestock, our wildlife, our children, our family members, our loved ones, and our community, please stay with a plan that you spent so much time developing, I live outside City limits, I wasn't personally involved in that, but let's stick with the community that's sustainable and represents our value system, not those of outside investors who aren't going to live here and get all the environmental impact, mental health and physical health impact that could just be devastating.

3108
04:11:22,640 --> 04:11:24,720
stating to our lives. Thank you.

3109
04:11:24,740 --> 04:11:25,880
Thank you.

3110
04:11:30,160 --> 04:11:31,900
Well, guys, let's get back to it.

3111
04:11:32,600 --> 04:11:34,160
Where'd we go?

3112
04:11:35,200 --> 04:11:36,300
Mr. Luzada, if you please,

3113
04:11:36,660 --> 04:11:38,080
sit your name and address me in three minutes.

3114
04:11:38,540 --> 04:11:39,800
It's Hosello, so I'm not 11.

3115
04:11:40,080 --> 04:11:43,660
25 blue oaks on Marcos, Texas, 786, 666.

3116
04:11:45,200 --> 04:11:46,780
I think everything's been discussed already

3117
04:11:46,780 --> 04:11:48,520
to this point. It's not a lot to add.

3118
04:11:48,680 --> 04:11:51,340
The only thing I guess I want to add is

3119
04:11:51,340 --> 04:11:54,620
I know water is the biggest concern here.

3120
04:11:55,860 --> 04:12:01,640
Crystal clear has the infrastructure and also have the water rights of what the data

3121
04:12:01,640 --> 04:12:06,980
center is asking for. It's not like they don't have the infrastructure or they

3122
04:12:06,980 --> 04:12:11,320
don't have the water rights. It would be completely different if that wasn't the case.

3123
04:12:11,640 --> 04:12:17,000
Meaning that whatever comes to this area is going to be using that water anyway. It could

3124
04:12:17,000 --> 04:12:21,680
be this data center, it could be the house, it could be whatever comes to this area. That

3125
04:12:21,680 --> 04:12:27,760
same resources for water and power are there for to be used by somebody.

3126
04:12:29,720 --> 04:12:36,160
I know it's been said before, data centers are coming to the area and in the county there's

3127
04:12:36,160 --> 04:12:42,360
a lot less regulations here in the city, biggest thing is watershed protection and also

3128
04:12:42,360 --> 04:12:47,520
building permits which is the county doesn't have so that's a big big thing that the city

3129
04:12:47,520 --> 04:12:52,940
would be able to regulate, which I'm not saying this is stopping from

3130
04:12:52,940 --> 04:12:57,160
one coming in the county, right? That's not the case. But if

3131
04:12:57,160 --> 04:13:00,120
three come to the area, and we can regulate one, it's a

3132
04:13:00,120 --> 04:13:02,680
huge ruin for the citizen market, plus getting the tax benefits.

3133
04:13:03,080 --> 04:13:04,560
Thank you. Thank you, sir.

3134
04:13:17,240 --> 04:13:20,020
To remarten 13-0 on your creek road, New Bronfell's Texas,

3135
04:13:20,040 --> 04:13:23,700
Hayes County. I clearly wasn't built for this in public speaking,

3136
04:13:24,140 --> 04:13:26,540
but I'm pretty good at writing a horse and raising them.

3137
04:13:26,780 --> 04:13:29,240
Treating people and animals with respect in the land and the community

3138
04:13:29,240 --> 04:13:34,320
with respect and valuing most things over money, but when someone comes in and disrespects

3139
04:13:34,320 --> 04:13:37,920
the land takes advantage of elderly people and lies, sometimes you must do uncomfortable

3140
04:13:37,920 --> 04:13:42,860
things to defend what is right. I hope you can see he's working really hard to get rich and

3141
04:13:42,860 --> 04:13:48,580
I'm working really hard to stay poor. I'd like to ask you how you would feel seeing your home on a

3142
04:13:48,580 --> 04:13:53,240
PowerPoint every month for the whole city for the past 10 months and feel like you are not being

3143
04:13:53,240 --> 04:13:58,760
seen and considered, but maybe you're being told on PNZ not to feel. But if you're not supposed

3144
04:13:58,760 --> 04:14:02,560
taking consideration the community's alchry. Why do we have a citizen's comment period during

3145
04:14:02,560 --> 04:14:06,820
planning and zoning if you're not supposed to consider it? So it's not going to be good enough

3146
04:14:06,820 --> 04:14:10,540
for you to say that you're not voting on a data center. You're voting on just a zone change.

3147
04:14:11,300 --> 04:14:14,420
When we've been watching a presentation for almost a year on this data center,

3148
04:14:14,500 --> 04:14:18,400
so let me try to help untie your hands for you, PNZ, this is spot zoning.

3149
04:14:18,900 --> 04:14:22,420
Spositing is the practice of applying different, often incompatible, out of step zoning

3150
04:14:22,420 --> 04:14:26,600
with all surrounding land use, strictly a bit of fit the land owner at the expense of the

3151
04:14:26,600 --> 04:14:31,880
surrounding community or comprehensive plan. In Texas, spot zoning becomes unlawful. If it is

3152
04:14:31,880 --> 04:14:35,680
arbitrary, discriminatory, unreasonable, it doesn't serve the public's health, safety

3153
04:14:35,680 --> 04:14:40,140
morals, or general welfare. It is often illegal if it is unjustified and reasonable

3154
04:14:40,140 --> 04:14:45,400
change that disrupts the neighborhood character, increases traffic noise, or unfairly harms

3155
04:14:45,400 --> 04:14:51,380
adjacent property owners, often leaking to legal challenges. It is permissible if it aligns

3156
04:14:51,380 --> 04:14:56,580
with the community's comprehensive plan, overall city's master plan offers a public benefit

3157
04:14:56,580 --> 04:14:59,980
it and isn't just for a single land owner's private gain which

3158
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:07,960
This does not fall into making this zoning change unlawful as it would be considered spot zoning and it does not provide a service to the public.

3159
04:15:08,480 --> 04:15:16,940
That is why I'm confident in telling you, this does not match the land use code and goes against the city of Samarcus's values and the entire comprehensive plan.

3160
04:15:17,680 --> 04:15:24,100
I can barely sleep in light night, but at least I can know and say I did everything I could to stop this to my home.

3161
04:15:24,100 --> 04:15:25,380
How are you going to sleep?

3162
04:15:25,540 --> 04:15:28,260
Well, you sleep better if you're bullied into changing your vote.

3163
04:15:28,740 --> 04:15:31,620
Norring you played a role in the greatest misuse of stewardship of Sam

3164
04:15:31,620 --> 04:15:33,100
Marcus's Edwards Aquifer.

3165
04:15:34,080 --> 04:15:37,560
Jim Garborset, if we're making decisions based on money, what does that make us?

3166
04:15:38,000 --> 04:15:39,860
Respectfully, I'll tell you what that makes you.

3167
04:15:39,880 --> 04:15:40,720
It makes you a sellout.

3168
04:15:40,820 --> 04:15:43,540
It makes you a sellout with land that is not yours to sell out.

3169
04:15:43,960 --> 04:15:45,260
You've heard don't mess with Texas.

3170
04:15:45,420 --> 04:15:46,040
It's not threat.

3171
04:15:46,060 --> 04:15:46,980
It's our state slogan.

3172
04:15:47,600 --> 04:15:50,060
And when you're supposed to abide by it and respect it and protect it.

3173
04:15:50,080 --> 04:15:51,960
But instead, we are neglecting Texas.

3174
04:15:52,500 --> 04:15:53,880
That's reminiscent of treason.

3175
04:15:53,880 --> 04:15:55,400
And you owe this town an alliance.

3176
04:15:55,820 --> 04:15:58,180
This would not be protecting it or preserving it.

3177
04:15:58,400 --> 04:15:59,420
This would be a betrayal.

3178
04:15:59,640 --> 04:16:01,800
And there's nothing more in patriotic than this.

3179
04:16:02,280 --> 04:16:04,800
None of these hogwash answers have been good enough for me

3180
04:16:04,800 --> 04:16:06,100
and they shouldn't be good enough for you

3181
04:16:06,100 --> 04:16:07,880
and they shouldn't be good enough for Sam Marcus.

3182
04:16:08,080 --> 04:16:09,380
Sam Marcus deserves better.

3183
04:16:09,840 --> 04:16:12,320
Thank you and I'm so thankful to that community out there.

3184
04:16:12,320 --> 04:16:13,680
It means so much to me.

3185
04:16:14,940 --> 04:16:15,740
Thank you.

3186
04:16:19,620 --> 04:16:22,020
We'll call on Charles Secting one more time.

3187
04:16:22,460 --> 04:16:25,420
Russell Curselli Matt Gonzalez.

3188
04:16:26,720 --> 04:16:31,420
Frank Zemer and Jerry Margot Witte,

3189
04:16:39,320 --> 04:16:41,460
sir, please get your name and address and we have three minutes.

3190
04:16:42,200 --> 04:16:44,900
Good evening, commissioners. Once again, my name is Matt Gonzalez. This is manager,

3191
04:16:45,080 --> 04:16:48,360
Labor's level 10.95, 1, 7, 9, 1, 7, basketball, or a bend.

3192
04:16:49,680 --> 04:17:02,760
I want the labor, the topic you heard earlier, some of my comments and advocacy for this project in the way of

3193
04:17:02,760 --> 04:17:08,660
the opportunity to further clarify and let the community know who we are as

3194
04:17:08,660 --> 04:17:09,200
organization.

3195
04:17:09,900 --> 04:17:13,660
The Labor's International Union of North America, we are 122 years old.

3196
04:17:14,540 --> 04:17:18,060
We have existing relationships throughout all of Central Texas.

3197
04:17:18,720 --> 04:17:24,340
We have a pre-apprentissiate program with SAISD at Sam Houston High School, where we are providing

3198
04:17:24,340 --> 04:17:28,840
dual credit curriculum and instruction for those students who participate in that program

3199
04:17:28,840 --> 04:17:33,780
to graduate and have the opportunity to enter into our apprenticeship program with advanced

3200
04:17:33,780 --> 04:17:34,260
placement.

3201
04:17:35,600 --> 04:17:42,660
We also partner with group of judges, Travis County, for diversion programs, to help those

3202
04:17:42,660 --> 04:17:45,240
who are in the criminal justice system.

3203
04:17:45,800 --> 04:17:50,920
We have long-standing relationships with TDCJ, so we are second-chance hiring, and then we

3204
04:17:50,920 --> 04:17:53,880
also work with our military veteran community.

3205
04:17:53,880 --> 04:18:02,200
All that to say, we are committed through and through to work with any community that we engage

3206
04:18:02,200 --> 04:18:09,960
to provide opportunity. I also serve as a board member of Fort Force Alamo. So we have long

3207
04:18:09,960 --> 04:18:16,600
senior relationships throughout all of the workforce solution offices in Central Texas. Again,

3208
04:18:16,980 --> 04:18:22,980
I simply say this just to share our commitment to this community should this project be approved.

3209
04:18:22,980 --> 04:18:31,980
We will commit to make sure that any and all jobs that are created from this project will be directed to the local residents.

3210
04:18:33,420 --> 04:18:34,600
Thank you, sir.

3211
04:18:35,160 --> 04:18:37,200
Frank and Jerry had to leave.

3212
04:18:41,460 --> 04:18:41,820
Thank you.

3213
04:18:45,110 --> 04:18:46,190
James Presley.

3214
04:18:47,330 --> 04:18:48,310
George Mendoza.

3215
04:18:49,730 --> 04:18:50,910
Ronan Conro.

3216
04:18:52,610 --> 04:18:53,970
Eduardo Levi.

3217
04:18:58,200 --> 04:19:01,180
And please correct me if I mispronounced your name, I apologize.

3218
04:19:01,180 --> 04:19:03,300
All four of us also left sir.

3219
04:19:03,300 --> 04:19:03,840
I don't roll.

3220
04:19:04,360 --> 04:19:06,400
Thank you.

3221
04:19:06,740 --> 04:19:07,540
Shannon Brown,

3222
04:19:10,590 --> 04:19:10,970
Coran,

3223
04:19:11,670 --> 04:19:12,190
Lopercito,

3224
04:19:13,210 --> 04:19:14,250
Jordan Moser,

3225
04:19:14,950 --> 04:19:15,510
Abigail Lindsey,

3226
04:19:16,450 --> 04:19:16,710
Manuel,

3227
04:19:17,650 --> 04:19:18,110
Good do.

3228
04:19:22,200 --> 04:19:23,400
I know we got some of them.

3229
04:19:28,710 --> 04:19:29,790
Jin Corby,

3230
04:19:30,770 --> 04:19:31,510
Bobby Levinsky,

3231
04:19:34,310 --> 04:19:35,350
Mike Canlander,

3232
04:19:35,930 --> 04:19:36,730
Virginia Parker.

3233
04:19:38,470 --> 04:19:40,110
And sir please first come first sir.

3234
04:19:40,150 --> 04:19:42,150
Please state your name and address and we have three minutes.

3235
04:19:46,010 --> 04:19:49,090
Thank you for the opportunity to speak again, Commissioners.

3236
04:19:49,370 --> 04:19:52,350
My name is Mayan Gaudolik, 4906,

3237
04:19:52,510 --> 04:19:55,090
Scream and Eagle Colleen with the Labor Union.

3238
04:19:55,250 --> 04:19:57,550
I'm here in support of the Tata Center Project.

3239
04:19:58,550 --> 04:19:59,970
One of the most important parts of the...

3240
04:20:00,000 --> 04:20:07,660
Project like this is opportunity. Union construction creates a pathway for local residents, where

3241
04:20:08,340 --> 04:20:13,900
that's someone already working on the trades, or a young person, graduating high school and

3242
04:20:13,900 --> 04:20:21,120
looking for a real career. These jobs come with training, benefits, and a long-term stability.

3243
04:20:22,020 --> 04:20:27,720
They give people a chance to stay in their community and build their life here. With

3244
04:20:27,720 --> 04:20:32,800
The developer's commitment to the Union Labor, this project can help bring up opportunities

3245
04:20:32,800 --> 04:20:34,180
just on multiple residents.

3246
04:20:35,580 --> 04:20:37,940
Please support moving this project forward.

3247
04:20:38,900 --> 04:20:39,940
Thank you very much for your time.

3248
04:20:40,660 --> 04:20:41,140
Thank you, sir.

3249
04:20:49,700 --> 04:20:50,060
Hello, Commissioner.

3250
04:20:50,240 --> 04:20:54,120
It's Bob Ilevinsky, 248 Camaro away here in Samarko's Texas.

3251
04:20:55,300 --> 04:20:59,360
I was one of the commenters on the comprehensive plan.

3252
04:20:59,700 --> 04:21:04,020
I spent my own free time commenting, I think, several of the dozen of the thousand

3253
04:21:04,020 --> 04:21:09,680
comments that were put in place before, you adopted the comprehensive plan.

3254
04:21:11,000 --> 04:21:17,020
It was a lengthy document that I spent a lot of time reviewing, a lot of people in the community

3255
04:21:17,020 --> 04:21:17,540
did.

3256
04:21:18,240 --> 04:21:20,680
We came to a community consensus on it.

3257
04:21:20,960 --> 04:21:29,300
And within two years, you are kind of willy-nilly considering a new plan amendment that

3258
04:21:29,300 --> 04:21:31,680
would kind of under contradict the entire plan.

3259
04:21:31,680 --> 04:21:38,600
Unsurprisingly, data centers are not mentioned in the comprehensive plan, and contrasts the comprehensive plan

3260
04:21:38,600 --> 04:21:44,520
adopt schools to facilitate reduced energy use, water consumption, and water production.

3261
04:21:45,380 --> 04:21:50,480
It establishes the conservation cluster of place type for areas where development would

3262
04:21:50,480 --> 04:21:54,140
be discouraged over the life of the comprehensive plan.

3263
04:21:54,920 --> 04:22:00,760
This place type was established after the city received significant community and stakeholder

3264
04:22:00,760 --> 04:22:08,140
input. It was developed as a concept work development would still occur within areas that are currently

3265
04:22:08,140 --> 04:22:15,540
open space, farmland, and, or otherwise, undeveloped, but would ensure San Marcos retains

3266
04:22:15,540 --> 04:22:30,740
many of these assets and maintains a high environmental quality. The intention of the conservation

3267
04:22:30,740 --> 04:22:35,120
will providing for cluster residential development in appropriate areas.

3268
04:22:36,040 --> 04:22:41,220
It is only because a data center, and the requisite, light, industrial zoning that it's

3269
04:22:41,220 --> 04:22:45,860
requesting, it would be incompatible with the comprehensive plan.

3270
04:22:46,520 --> 04:22:49,760
The applicant is requesting a plan amendment to cure that.

3271
04:22:50,040 --> 04:22:55,140
If the plan amendment were denied, the landowner would still be entitled to develop with the

3272
04:22:55,140 --> 04:22:59,480
less environmentally harmful development, according to the requirements of the comprehensive

3273
04:22:59,480 --> 04:23:04,380
plan and Apple goes on in category. Again, I am speaking in protest because this plan

3274
04:23:04,380 --> 04:23:09,260
amendment should not be considered tonight. It was denied by the council less than six

3275
04:23:09,260 --> 04:23:16,360
months ago. What do you think the waiting period is intended for? It's to avoid people

3276
04:23:16,360 --> 04:23:21,960
gaming the system when they needed a super majority vote. They failed to get it and now they're

3277
04:23:21,960 --> 04:23:27,960
getting a second bite at the Apple forcing this entire community to do this whole thing once again.

3278
04:23:27,960 --> 04:23:31,820
You were here for the residents of Samarcos, please vote against it.

3279
04:23:32,040 --> 04:23:32,960
Thank you.

3280
04:23:34,200 --> 04:23:35,060
Thank you.

3281
04:23:38,100 --> 04:23:40,060
Ms. Parker, please have your name and address.

3282
04:23:40,240 --> 04:23:40,880
We have three minutes.

3283
04:23:41,080 --> 04:23:42,180
Hi, commissioners.

3284
04:23:42,520 --> 04:23:45,540
My name is Virginia Parker, and I'm with the Samarcos River Foundation.

3285
04:23:46,500 --> 04:23:49,820
I want to say that I appreciate John Mayberry's communication.

3286
04:23:51,160 --> 04:23:56,220
And I hope he'll continue to discuss the project with Smurf if it continues to move forward.

3287
04:23:57,260 --> 04:23:59,360
So I say this very respectfully.

3288
04:23:59,360 --> 04:24:05,900
Here are the reasons that smurf is opposed to the changes in the preferred scenario map as well as the zoning.

3289
04:24:07,200 --> 04:24:13,820
Today, at the Edwards Aquifer Authority Board meeting, they showed a total rainfall graph for the past six years.

3290
04:24:14,120 --> 04:24:24,660
San Antonio, which has received more rain than our area, is 63.3 inches behind in rain.

3291
04:24:24,660 --> 04:24:29,440
And that's an equivalent of two years worth of rain in the past six years.

3292
04:24:30,960 --> 04:24:36,800
The Edwards Occ for authority climatologist models show average rainfall going forward over

3293
04:24:36,800 --> 04:24:48,360
the next several decades to be about average with very dry periods, paused with heavy rainfall.

3294
04:24:49,280 --> 04:24:54,500
That means less water soaking into the ground for drinking water and spring flow and more

3295
04:24:54,500 --> 04:24:59,960
off leading to flooding. This is concerning because the power needed to run a data center required.

3296
04:25:00,000 --> 04:25:06,420
There is huge amounts of water, more than what is needed on-site at the actual data center itself.

3297
04:25:07,400 --> 04:25:14,440
Hayes Energy uses GBRA water, crystal clear water, and CMarkis wastewater, which that part is a good thing.

3298
04:25:14,480 --> 04:25:23,260
That is a good use for wastewater. But the GBRA water and the crystal clear water pull from the same buckets that the city of CMarkis does.

3299
04:25:24,280 --> 04:25:30,440
One thing to note, the third data center proposed for coldball county will build their own power plant.

3300
04:25:30,760 --> 04:25:35,520
It'll be gas powered, but it's using technology that does not require water for cooling.

3301
04:25:36,300 --> 04:25:42,360
This is huge. This is what Texas should require going forward. Gas for gas powered plants.

3302
04:25:43,380 --> 04:25:48,840
For Smurf, it's all about the water. We're already in a water stress area with a growing population.

3303
04:25:49,800 --> 04:25:54,340
climate change is going to make this worse and we don't want to create more reasons for

3304
04:25:54,340 --> 04:25:58,660
our cotaptex, banding, grow the grid, further taxing or water supply.

3305
04:25:59,140 --> 04:26:00,280
Thank you.

3306
04:26:00,460 --> 04:26:01,100
Thank you.

3307
04:26:04,020 --> 04:26:07,780
We have Jeremy Hendrix, Caitlyn Posto,

3308
04:26:12,190 --> 04:26:15,170
Anna DeFrance, Carl

3309
04:26:17,320 --> 04:26:21,260
Bettencourt, Tyler Earl.

3310
04:26:25,970 --> 04:26:26,490
Please go there.

3311
04:26:26,670 --> 04:26:27,870
Stay named address me in three minutes.

3312
04:26:27,870 --> 04:26:33,810
Good evening, I'm Colbert in court, and I thought here to, as a retired union and

3313
04:26:33,810 --> 04:26:39,010
sheet metal worker, please have you reaffirm your original PSA denial.

3314
04:26:39,690 --> 04:26:44,250
The current designations for these tracks reflect that these sites provide the best value

3315
04:26:44,250 --> 04:26:47,510
to the community by being used for single-family homes.

3316
04:26:47,790 --> 04:26:51,670
I ended up in Hayes County because I got geographer out of my neighborhood of 33 years

3317
04:26:51,670 --> 04:26:55,950
in Austin when I retired just because of the lack of housing.

3318
04:26:55,950 --> 04:27:02,570
City Council here has realized that a restrictive covenant would address the proximity to the

3319
04:27:02,570 --> 04:27:07,770
power plant for the single-family homes, extra insulation in the houses would address sound

3320
04:27:07,770 --> 04:27:09,530
issues and provide better efficiency.

3321
04:27:11,350 --> 04:27:16,350
This area has been, as always, supported, humans with its land and water.

3322
04:27:16,870 --> 04:27:20,890
These two elements have shaped and nourished our community and individual growth.

3323
04:27:21,390 --> 04:27:25,710
Single-family homes do more to improve community character and spirit than industrial

3324
04:27:25,710 --> 04:27:32,030
uses. The compounding effects of families in the city living their lives will have more income

3325
04:27:32,030 --> 04:27:39,090
and quality of life than any industrial use. The amount of damage to access to the track

3326
04:27:39,090 --> 04:27:46,510
for construction of a data center will cause the city repair, cause way before any tax revenues

3327
04:27:46,510 --> 04:27:54,110
reach the budget. Most empty buildings don't generate road maintenance revenue for road repair

3328
04:27:54,110 --> 04:27:54,650
either.

3329
04:27:57,680 --> 04:28:02,380
Changing land use and zoning would replace the community of family and friends with a business

3330
04:28:02,380 --> 04:28:04,660
black hole-gobbling limited resources.

3331
04:28:05,340 --> 04:28:10,040
The proposed water utility crystal clear would have a new number one consumer of water

3332
04:28:10,040 --> 04:28:12,340
by its customer bay in its customer base.

3333
04:28:13,300 --> 04:28:21,740
If the data center exceeds 15,049 gallons per day, so the staff estimate and back up material

3334
04:28:21,740 --> 04:28:30,860
places is projected water consumption 8, 1.3 to 2.3 times more than that, and then of course

3335
04:28:30,860 --> 04:28:37,240
with the 75,000 gallons per day, that's even crazier. Lots of the water would only be used

3336
04:28:37,240 --> 04:28:42,860
to flush the filters in place, remove the total lots of spinach solids, so our hard water

3337
04:28:42,860 --> 04:28:50,900
doesn't gum up the works like it does in our homes, plumbing, and water heaters. One in the

3338
04:28:50,900 --> 04:28:56,080
Crystal clears what a plan it shows, one of the conditions calling for stage 4 restrictions

3339
04:28:56,080 --> 04:29:02,720
is a water level of less than 630 feet at the Edward Aquifer J17 well.

3340
04:29:03,360 --> 04:29:06,980
Today that number is at 628.8.

3341
04:29:07,540 --> 04:29:13,780
Most of the restrictions fall to residential users, and most extreme water control, I think,

3342
04:29:13,780 --> 04:29:22,380
to our growth payment, total pumping by the company is reduced by 44 percent while industrial

3343
04:29:22,380 --> 04:29:27,760
customers only have to cut back 10 percent. I guess small uses will have to pick up slack.

3344
04:29:28,600 --> 04:29:35,040
The other risk to our water resources is the previous five year average leak. Thank you.

3345
04:29:35,120 --> 04:29:35,860
Thank you, sir.

3346
04:29:39,800 --> 04:29:44,940
Bring us the Peter Bane, Elizabeth Emerson, Zachary Tendell.

3347
04:29:58,400 --> 04:29:58,600
My name

3348
04:29:58,600 --> 04:29:59,960
Zachary Tindall, a little bit.

3349
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:03,400
614 Martin Luther King Drive, Sam Marcus Texas.

3350
04:30:05,560 --> 04:30:07,620
First of all, thank you for your careful consideration

3351
04:30:07,620 --> 04:30:15,380
of this matter tonight and at the meeting a few weeks ago. I appreciate some of the commissioners

3352
04:30:15,380 --> 04:30:24,540
asking some hard questions about the restrictive covenant. One important question that I want to reiterate

3353
04:30:24,540 --> 04:30:32,300
that y'all actually brought up was whether the city will be able to monitor the utilities use

3354
04:30:34,960 --> 04:30:41,060
and let's see trying to keep this short for y'all. Second I'd like to draw your attention to

3355
04:30:41,060 --> 04:30:46,180
a contradiction within the statements of Mr. Mayberry and his team last week and some of those points

3356
04:30:46,180 --> 04:30:52,700
been reiterated, or sorry, last meeting and some of them reiterated this meeting.

3357
04:30:54,220 --> 04:30:59,260
When asked about the increase load of the data center would put on the electric grid, and

3358
04:30:59,260 --> 04:31:03,940
let's remember that when we talk about electricity, we're talking about off-site water use as

3359
04:31:03,940 --> 04:31:04,240
well.

3360
04:31:05,160 --> 04:31:09,340
When we asked about the increased load, Mr. Mayberry claimed the electricity was already there

3361
04:31:09,820 --> 04:31:13,800
and by implication the data center would not result in an increased generation of electricity

3362
04:31:13,800 --> 04:31:17,800
or increased off-site water use, that's a very

3363
04:31:17,800 --> 04:31:23,460
perplexing statement, at best, perhaps he mispoke,

3364
04:31:23,460 --> 04:31:25,820
perhaps he meant that the infrastructure is already there,

3365
04:31:26,000 --> 04:31:29,700
but then that contradicts his own utilities expert, who claimed

3366
04:31:29,700 --> 04:31:32,860
that the infrastructure will grow to accommodate the

3367
04:31:32,860 --> 04:31:38,520
admittedly great power needs that this data center will incur.

3368
04:31:39,200 --> 04:31:43,380
So I hope that you all can, if you're even considering this,

3369
04:31:43,380 --> 04:31:53,180
all anymore. I hope that you can seek clarification on that matter. Don't let these

3370
04:31:53,180 --> 04:31:59,220
these, these, these, these, these contradictions slip past you. I think there has been

3371
04:32:00,000 --> 04:32:06,260
either through sincere ignorance on the part of some of the people pushing forward this application

3372
04:32:06,260 --> 04:32:14,380
or or malincent, I can't definitively say, but there's a lot of information that we're

3373
04:32:14,380 --> 04:32:19,600
not getting, questions that you've asked that you have not received answers for please press

3374
04:32:19,600 --> 04:32:27,320
for those don't don't take vague responses. I oppose the State of Center and both the agenda items

3375
04:32:27,320 --> 04:32:29,780
related to it. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Teddo.

3376
04:32:36,640 --> 04:32:40,380
Don E-Walt, I will come back to you, I believe you might be online.

3377
04:32:42,720 --> 04:32:47,560
Abby Witzel, Diana Briggs, Rocco Moses, in Abigail,

3378
04:32:49,600 --> 04:32:50,060
Leighton,

3379
04:32:53,840 --> 04:32:54,780
may just not sure we're

3380
04:32:54,780 --> 04:32:58,520
going to have one person online, and that's Mr. Hulzano, and I believe you spoke earlier.

3381
04:32:59,220 --> 04:33:00,280
Okay, thank you.

3382
04:33:01,460 --> 04:33:03,040
His name, we're also in the chamber, which is speak.

3383
04:33:04,600 --> 04:33:07,180
Please line up and states your name and address them in about three minutes.

3384
04:33:11,990 --> 04:33:19,090
Lisa Pruitt, Sam Marcus Texas, I'd like to thank you all for your service, you guys have

3385
04:33:19,090 --> 04:33:24,890
been debating this and deliberating this and listening to all of us for about 10 months

3386
04:33:24,890 --> 04:33:25,610
now.

3387
04:33:26,130 --> 04:33:30,810
I'd also like to thank this amazing community that has come before you tonight and honored

3388
04:33:30,810 --> 04:33:36,690
our river, our sacred springs, they've honored their neighbors, the neighbors work they

3389
04:33:36,690 --> 04:33:40,990
on their land, their health, their well-being, and this entire community.

3390
04:33:42,590 --> 04:33:47,330
We've also heard the negative impacts of water usage for these systems, as well as the

3391
04:33:47,650 --> 04:33:50,870
energy, the water that the energy will take to produce the use.

3392
04:33:51,210 --> 04:33:53,310
I want to speak to you guys about processes.

3393
04:33:54,290 --> 04:33:58,790
So we have a policy in the city that says when something has not been approved that it takes

3394
04:33:58,790 --> 04:34:04,690
six months to reapply, so I can't understand why this project was denied in March.

3395
04:34:04,690 --> 04:34:12,930
It was not approved in August, and in October they were allowed to come back in with the exact same project for an application.

3396
04:34:13,530 --> 04:34:18,890
Two along the way, wave that, and who was told that that was wave. Number one.

3397
04:34:19,210 --> 04:34:26,070
The second thing I wanted to discuss is, when the council deliberated on this and debated the mayor and the city council,

3398
04:34:26,070 --> 04:34:32,510
all agree to send this back to city staff to create a new zoning category because across

3399
04:34:32,510 --> 04:34:38,350
this entire nation communities are opposing data centers because of the water usage and

3400
04:34:38,350 --> 04:34:42,610
all the other types of uses and impacts that they have in the communities negatively.

3401
04:34:45,060 --> 04:34:47,180
That was five months ago.

3402
04:34:48,180 --> 04:34:55,480
Why have those zoning categories not been brought forward to you all to consider before tonight?

3403
04:34:56,380 --> 04:34:59,720
There are cities across the nation that have done that.

3404
04:35:00,940 --> 04:35:04,460
I'm going to mention a couple here in a second.

3405
04:35:08,260 --> 04:35:12,880
Cities like Luden County, Virginia, New Albany, Ohio,

3406
04:35:13,220 --> 04:35:21,140
Chandler, Arizona, has specific zoning for data centers, often creating overly districts, or special use permits.

3407
04:35:23,380 --> 04:35:28,920
And these are done to manage the impacts like power, water, noise,

3408
04:35:29,440 --> 04:35:31,840
why others like Gaffney, South Carolina,

3409
04:35:31,940 --> 04:35:34,440
created new classifications with strict requirements

3410
04:35:34,440 --> 04:35:36,580
for infrastructure and mitigation.

3411
04:35:37,740 --> 04:35:40,300
So we're supposed to be so progressive here in San Marcos.

3412
04:35:40,380 --> 04:35:44,980
Why have we not done that if other cities across the nation are doing that already?

3413
04:35:45,900 --> 04:35:49,240
A couple of other things I'd like to mention would be,

3414
04:35:49,480 --> 04:35:52,300
we keep talking about 400 homes or data center.

3415
04:35:52,300 --> 04:35:59,140
is there nothing else in between that we not have a more creative minds put together to find out what other

3416
04:35:59,140 --> 04:36:05,840
uses would be more compatible to that. So I think that that argument to me is not really valid.

3417
04:36:08,760 --> 04:36:16,320
And also I'm kind of curious when did it become appropriate to discuss revenues when considering

3418
04:36:16,320 --> 04:36:20,120
zoning changes. Thank you. Thank you.

3419
04:36:26,270 --> 04:36:29,350
Michael Hernandez, 722,000. I will exclude.

3420
04:36:30,330 --> 04:36:36,210
Do I have a speech? Just have had some questions pop up that I think should be considered

3421
04:36:36,210 --> 04:36:40,830
and I don't know if anybody has even thought of them because I have not heard of them.

3422
04:36:41,350 --> 04:36:48,290
Anybody ask? But first and foremost, there is a cemetery in the middle of this entire proposed project.

3423
04:36:49,450 --> 04:36:51,550
Let's say I have a loved one there.

3424
04:36:52,130 --> 04:36:53,930
How the hell am I going to get access to it?

3425
04:36:54,470 --> 04:36:56,870
These data centers are highly secured.

3426
04:36:57,030 --> 04:36:59,830
Some of them have guards with weapons.

3427
04:37:01,110 --> 04:37:02,510
What's the process?

3428
04:37:02,770 --> 04:37:07,010
Like, how are people going to be able to visit their loved ones in that cemetery?

3429
04:37:07,730 --> 04:37:12,390
On a random Tuesday or a random Wednesday anniversary of a death in a birthday of a loved one?

3430
04:37:12,610 --> 04:37:16,370
Something to consider something you all might ask since we can't ask directly.

3431
04:37:18,890 --> 04:37:19,410
Also,

3432
04:37:22,630 --> 04:37:29,010
brought up that, let's say, that there is a grid failure in that, you know, the data

3433
04:37:29,010 --> 04:37:32,250
centers aren't going to continue usage of the grid.

3434
04:37:34,170 --> 04:37:34,970
They're on generators.

3435
04:37:35,570 --> 04:37:38,350
What are the environmental effects of the generators that are going to be running?

3436
04:37:38,750 --> 04:37:41,390
Let's say the five or six days that there is grid failure.

3437
04:37:42,670 --> 04:37:54,590
We don't know, but there has to be some sort of environmental effect of the generators to keep those things running because if they're not running, they're losing all of their data and service and whatnot.

3438
04:37:56,710 --> 04:38:06,090
I'd also like to reiterate that at the moment, there's no contract with the water, with the crystal clear, it's not existent.

3439
04:38:06,090 --> 04:38:14,510
So, all of these are just hypothetical numbers and things of that nature, but they want to use, but that's that.

3440
04:38:15,490 --> 04:38:15,870
In addition,

3441
04:38:19,730 --> 04:38:24,810
the developer decided to reiterate that it is on for residential because he asked for it.

3442
04:38:26,230 --> 04:38:32,510
Well, it is on for residential, but I'd like to reiterate that that's what he asked for a few years ago is to reason it too residential.

3443
04:38:32,510 --> 04:38:35,850
It wasn't just, he didn't just purchase it residential.

3444
04:38:36,950 --> 04:38:40,690
So we're here a few years later trying to get it to be light industrial.

3445
04:38:42,350 --> 04:38:46,050
In city council, he said he didn't have a buyer anymore, but he has the contract right now.

3446
04:38:46,510 --> 04:38:48,990
What happens if no buyers come forward, then what?

3447
04:38:49,210 --> 04:38:50,810
We've reasoned it to something else.

3448
04:38:53,570 --> 04:38:55,790
The toughsland is conservation cluster.

3449
04:38:56,750 --> 04:39:02,490
Please do not demean us and look down on us as if we don't know what we're talking about.

3450
04:39:02,490 --> 04:39:04,190
It's literally the next item.

3451
04:39:05,030 --> 04:39:06,690
So that's all I've got.

3452
04:39:07,030 --> 04:39:09,010
But just some questions to think about.

3453
04:39:09,230 --> 04:39:10,050
Thank you, Mr. Hernandez.

3454
04:39:13,780 --> 04:39:13,900
Hi.

3455
04:39:14,540 --> 04:39:16,660
Sauner's Drucker, same Marcos.

3456
04:39:17,480 --> 04:39:20,220
I want to bring up something we haven't really talked about yet.

3457
04:39:20,220 --> 04:39:22,780
And that is tax abatements and tax subsidies.

3458
04:39:23,400 --> 04:39:28,100
Did you know that in 2025, Texas gave over a billion dollars

3459
04:39:28,100 --> 04:39:30,980
in subsidies to data center development.

3460
04:39:30,980 --> 04:39:36,240
it is the largest subsidy for any industry in the country.

3461
04:39:37,620 --> 04:39:41,380
Those subsidies go to the following, and I'm getting stuff here from the Texas

3462
04:39:41,380 --> 04:39:45,080
Comptroller's website, construction materials.

3463
04:39:45,780 --> 04:39:49,660
The servers, including server replacements, required every two to five years.

3464
04:39:49,740 --> 04:39:51,960
I'm really glad you brought that up, Mr. Wellen.

3465
04:39:52,240 --> 04:39:54,800
All those server replacements, so it doesn't get outdated.

3466
04:39:55,180 --> 04:39:58,540
We're going to be paying for those with our state and local tax subsidies.

3467
04:39:58,540 --> 04:39:59,960
as well as server-

3468
04:40:00,000 --> 04:40:05,600
Iraq's cabling for power data distributed data storage systems, securities, surveillance, firewall, encryption,

3469
04:40:06,240 --> 04:40:11,160
fiber optic cabling to the Internet, standby power generators, which some may

3470
04:40:11,160 --> 04:40:16,040
brought up the standby power generators that will be run whenever it's high loads. Those are

3471
04:40:16,040 --> 04:40:23,700
the same backup power generators that regularly violate EPA regulations in Virginia.

3472
04:40:23,700 --> 04:40:32,000
Moving on, we also pay for their uninterruptable power source systems, their power-grade connections with the

3473
04:40:32,000 --> 04:40:39,020
internal switches, distributors, and redundancies, their air, air, or water-based killers and cooler systems.

3474
04:40:39,880 --> 04:40:46,400
The ventilation, humidification, dehumidification systems, the fire protection equipment, the meatmeat rooms where telecom traffic

3475
04:40:46,400 --> 04:40:52,720
is managed, the operations sensor centers where 24-7 staffing monitors and troubleshoots as well

3476
04:40:52,720 --> 04:40:58,540
as the lobby entrance area and shipping. If you're interested to know more about this, we can

3477
04:40:58,540 --> 04:41:04,760
go look at the Texas Controllers website and see where we have given our subsidies. We pay

3478
04:41:04,760 --> 04:41:10,640
these people to build here. That's why they're coming to Texas because they can get insane

3479
04:41:10,640 --> 04:41:17,180
tax subsidies and build their crazy money making facilities off of our dollar.

3480
04:41:18,260 --> 04:41:22,520
The only thing else that I have to say is yes, we've all forgotten that there is a cemetery

3481
04:41:22,520 --> 04:41:23,060
there.

3482
04:41:23,340 --> 04:41:24,920
Alice Nichols is buried there.

3483
04:41:24,980 --> 04:41:27,740
I have gone and sat out by her grave site multiple times.

3484
04:41:27,980 --> 04:41:30,840
If any of you would like to do so, we can.

3485
04:41:31,480 --> 04:41:33,260
Legally, we're allowed to.

3486
04:41:33,580 --> 04:41:34,060
Thank you.

3487
04:41:34,240 --> 04:41:34,660
Thank you.

3488
04:41:39,120 --> 04:41:43,040
Justin James Bridges, 1318 Hazelton Street, St. Marcus Texas,

3489
04:41:46,360 --> 04:41:48,300
it's still crazy to me that we

3490
04:41:48,300 --> 04:41:52,380
are still here having this discussion. Like they said, they were turned down less than six

3491
04:41:52,380 --> 04:41:56,680
months before they applied again. This shouldn't even be an issue. This should just be thrown

3492
04:41:56,680 --> 04:42:02,160
out. You can do the right thing. You have the power to do the right thing. We shouldn't

3493
04:42:02,160 --> 04:42:07,300
have to pay as a community for his bad investments. That's just, that's, he made a bad

3494
04:42:07,300 --> 04:42:15,380
investment and then push to get it resowned and then realize, oh, this is a bad investment, I'm going to try to see if I can recover my money another way.

3495
04:42:15,700 --> 04:42:21,320
Why should we as a community, all these people that are out here, all the people that have land surrounding these areas?

3496
04:42:21,940 --> 04:42:27,480
Why should we have to pay for his poor decisions and his bad investments?

3497
04:42:28,560 --> 04:42:29,900
We are better than this.

3498
04:42:29,900 --> 04:42:33,840
You know, they said that Sam Marcus has the opportunity to be the gold standard.

3499
04:42:34,280 --> 04:42:35,740
They're 100% correct.

3500
04:42:36,120 --> 04:42:37,840
We can be the gold standard of saying,

3501
04:42:38,440 --> 04:42:41,180
No, we're not allowing you to have a data center here.

3502
04:42:41,540 --> 04:42:42,740
We don't have to take this.

3503
04:42:42,760 --> 04:42:44,980
Oh, it's either going to be a data center or 500 homes.

3504
04:42:45,280 --> 04:42:48,960
It got re-zoned to the homes because he made a bad investment.

3505
04:42:49,760 --> 04:42:51,080
That's not our fault.

3506
04:42:51,540 --> 04:42:53,580
He should have to eat the bad investment.

3507
04:42:54,660 --> 04:42:56,300
It should go back to conservation.

3508
04:42:56,300 --> 04:43:00,020
We shouldn't be going in the wrong direction and moving it towards industrial.

3509
04:43:00,420 --> 04:43:04,420
We should be going back and putting it back in conversation and conservation.

3510
04:43:05,580 --> 04:43:06,660
This is ridiculous.

3511
04:43:08,060 --> 04:43:09,040
This is absurd.

3512
04:43:09,300 --> 04:43:14,840
To even have this discussion is a disgrace and a stain on this city's great history.

3513
04:43:15,320 --> 04:43:16,140
We can be better.

3514
04:43:16,340 --> 04:43:17,340
We should be better.

3515
04:43:17,700 --> 04:43:18,620
This has to happen.

3516
04:43:18,980 --> 04:43:20,360
We have to stop this from happening.

3517
04:43:20,740 --> 04:43:21,920
We have to make these changes.

3518
04:43:22,360 --> 04:43:23,280
We are the gold standard.

3519
04:43:23,520 --> 04:43:25,080
Sandmark is can be the difference.

3520
04:43:25,080 --> 04:43:26,740
Let's make them known.

3521
04:43:28,910 --> 04:43:29,870
Thank you.

3522
04:43:38,910 --> 04:43:45,340
I'm Max Phil Baker and you know that. I live at 314 Shady Lane here in Sam Marcus, Texas

3523
04:43:47,270 --> 04:43:50,720
Yeah, you know so many things said so many times

3524
04:43:52,890 --> 04:43:53,810
for one

3525
04:43:53,810 --> 04:43:59,590
I was glad to see the new presentation included some of the stuff that staff and the city manager's office in particular

3526
04:43:59,590 --> 04:44:05,130
Who seems very in favor of this project are putting in front of you one thing that I thought was noticeable was

3527
04:44:05,130 --> 04:44:11,030
Tyler Stewart's last comments about this like effectively doubling the size of our city electrical load.

3528
04:44:11,150 --> 04:44:13,250
It seems pretty odd that that's missing.

3529
04:44:15,330 --> 04:44:19,870
I also understand, because I ran into this as a planning and zoning commissioner, as well as a city council member,

3530
04:44:20,970 --> 04:44:29,010
that you all have maybe been instructed as I was to not call on our community members that are subject matter experts to come and testify.

3531
04:44:29,010 --> 04:44:32,070
beyond just the citizen comment part.

3532
04:44:32,230 --> 04:44:34,130
You can call them up, just as you call it,

3533
04:44:34,170 --> 04:44:37,270
Mr. Mayberry time after time, to get a better sense

3534
04:44:37,270 --> 04:44:39,210
of what actual subject matter experts

3535
04:44:39,210 --> 04:44:41,770
and watery colleges and all that stuff know,

3536
04:44:42,070 --> 04:44:44,930
and aren't actually just invested in making you

3537
04:44:44,930 --> 04:44:46,510
understand our belief in, right?

3538
04:44:47,210 --> 04:44:48,590
But that's all of the discretion of the chair,

3539
04:44:48,690 --> 04:44:51,390
who we know is the only person to vote for this last time.

3540
04:44:51,490 --> 04:44:53,470
So I would hope that if you all do decide

3541
04:44:53,470 --> 04:44:56,050
to exercise that right, but the chair allows for it,

3542
04:44:56,050 --> 04:44:58,170
even though he seems to be in favor of this project himself.

3543
04:44:58,170 --> 04:44:59,970
I'm...

3544
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:29,900
You know, it's funny that we keep going back to how these restrictive covenants are going to be super helpful and monitor, blah, blah, blah, but if those are monitored only by our city staff who our community does not trust, because we have seen city staff working to further this objective through, you know, bringing this back to the agenda, et cetera, and how can we trust them to also oversee it? Not to mention, when you are that far out, I have heard this from community members and from city staff

3545
04:45:29,900 --> 04:45:33,980
correctly, that our city staff, code compliance in particular, who would likely have to deal

3546
04:45:33,980 --> 04:45:39,020
with noise stuff, does not have the staff to go out and check on those things, right?

3547
04:45:39,480 --> 04:45:43,860
So here's this, you know, sound that we're not going to break these decibels, but guess

3548
04:45:43,860 --> 04:45:44,060
what?

3549
04:45:44,280 --> 04:45:46,420
We'll never be able to check that and hold them to account.

3550
04:45:46,940 --> 04:45:51,840
Notice we'll be missing in the restrictive covenants and aside from noise and use and stuff

3551
04:45:51,840 --> 04:45:53,040
is health.

3552
04:45:54,100 --> 04:45:58,760
Data centers are new and we're seeing environmentally injustice all over the place against communities

3553
04:45:58,760 --> 04:46:01,980
of color, I guess people that are lower middle income,

3554
04:46:02,100 --> 04:46:04,580
are industrial, sorry, are farming, community members.

3555
04:46:05,500 --> 04:46:06,640
This is going to impact them.

3556
04:46:07,080 --> 04:46:09,720
And so until I see a restrictive covenant that says,

3557
04:46:09,720 --> 04:46:12,940
and we will impact, we will monitor the impact of people's health

3558
04:46:12,940 --> 04:46:14,380
and animals' health nearby,

3559
04:46:14,720 --> 04:46:16,560
I think that we're sorely missing an opportunity

3560
04:46:16,560 --> 04:46:19,900
to actually do something for the wellness of our community.

3561
04:46:20,580 --> 04:46:23,480
They mentioned ERCOT, which I think is just kind of hilarious

3562
04:46:23,480 --> 04:46:24,240
in this context.

3563
04:46:24,620 --> 04:46:26,460
Yeah, that organization, we all applauded

3564
04:46:26,460 --> 04:46:28,320
for how well they did during the last winter storm,

3565
04:46:28,320 --> 04:46:30,000
and that we're held entirely accountable

3566
04:46:30,000 --> 04:46:32,300
for all of the mistakes that they made

3567
04:46:32,300 --> 04:46:34,580
at almost every level of the organization.

3568
04:46:36,300 --> 04:46:38,240
They mentioned that there are no complaints against that.

3569
04:46:38,280 --> 04:46:39,140
One is to tell you again,

3570
04:46:39,400 --> 04:46:41,140
do we even know that that's a comparable project?

3571
04:46:41,460 --> 04:46:42,440
We don't.

3572
04:46:43,620 --> 04:46:44,140
Thank you, sir.

3573
04:46:49,510 --> 04:46:50,130
Hello again.

3574
04:46:50,350 --> 04:46:52,530
I'm Moira McCollock, 84, Holt's Drive.

3575
04:46:53,030 --> 04:46:55,590
I just wanted to reiterate the point

3576
04:46:55,590 --> 04:46:58,290
that water is not the only environmental concern

3577
04:46:58,290 --> 04:47:00,270
that we have concerning this project.

3578
04:47:02,930 --> 04:47:08,950
carbon dioxide is one of the most existential threats that we have to the planetary environment

3579
04:47:08,950 --> 04:47:16,210
across the globe at the moment. And if I'm not mistaken, power plants do, and that

3580
04:47:16,210 --> 04:47:26,830
is a fairly significant amount of carbon dioxide emissions, especially if we expand the power plant

3581
04:47:26,830 --> 04:47:32,730
usage if they build new infrastructure for power that would add more carbon dioxide. And then

3582
04:47:32,730 --> 04:47:39,590
On the point of the backup generators, one person was confused or was wondering what exactly

3583
04:47:39,590 --> 04:47:45,230
could be expelled. According to my research, they run most often on diesel, and that

3584
04:47:45,230 --> 04:47:52,710
can lead to expulsion of nitrous oxide, sulfur dioxide, which can affect respiratory health issues

3585
04:47:52,710 --> 04:47:59,210
and people affected by it. And also carbon dioxide. So I do believe that that causes a concern

3586
04:47:59,210 --> 04:48:05,530
for at local residents near the area and also the livestock nearby so thank you for your time.

3587
04:48:06,530 --> 04:48:07,330
Thank you.

3588
04:48:12,070 --> 04:48:15,930
I definitely mean when I say it didn't come here to the talks and item actually a

3589
04:48:15,930 --> 04:48:22,790
resident named Kevin Ivy. I look about two models from this plant over this proposed area is that

3590
04:48:22,790 --> 04:48:29,930
not a Hayes County tax base payer. I live in Guadalupe County, but this is literally

3591
04:48:29,930 --> 04:48:35,230
our next door neighbor truly appreciate all the folks that come up there in

3592
04:48:35,230 --> 04:48:41,290
spoke there's a lot of context there's a lot of positive feedback of the

3593
04:48:41,290 --> 04:48:46,250
community we're all neighbors here right so I just thought I'd give it a little

3594
04:48:46,250 --> 04:48:51,850
different light I'm a third generation cattleman so I do know there's

3595
04:48:51,850 --> 04:48:55,690
thing that affects the cattle in the life second industry while the same

3596
04:48:55,690 --> 04:48:59,770
lines I build data centers for 20 years I've heard one guy say that he worked

3597
04:48:59,770 --> 04:49:03,790
in an operating facility, nobody's talked about building, okay.

3598
04:49:04,630 --> 04:49:08,690
So I do understand the complexities, understand what these are.

3599
04:49:09,450 --> 04:49:11,390
The water usage, it's real, right?

3600
04:49:11,890 --> 04:49:16,370
Okay, we're in the state of Texas, we've been talking about water restrictions, but water

3601
04:49:16,370 --> 04:49:17,710
issues for over 30 years.

3602
04:49:18,450 --> 04:49:24,270
When in 1992 I was, you know, 12, 13 years old, I walked across the springs in New

3603
04:49:24,270 --> 04:49:27,050
where we still swim, right, and land apart.

3604
04:49:27,330 --> 04:49:27,950
I walked across them.

3605
04:49:28,070 --> 04:49:29,410
They were dropped, okay?

3606
04:49:30,090 --> 04:49:31,710
We're still fighting those same issues.

3607
04:49:33,170 --> 04:49:35,690
Crystal clear, uh, pair myself.

3608
04:49:37,010 --> 04:49:38,150
Um, they have their own issues.

3609
04:49:38,370 --> 04:49:39,510
Go look it up.

3610
04:49:39,730 --> 04:49:43,670
I can say right now I pay the highest rates of any water utility around.

3611
04:49:43,850 --> 04:49:45,850
There's a reason for that, and it's not used.

3612
04:49:47,830 --> 04:49:51,730
Um, this data center, they talked about it via a closed loop system.

3613
04:49:52,570 --> 04:49:55,790
Before they even got a current talks about it, I already knew that was what it's going to be.

3614
04:49:56,830 --> 04:49:59,890
A lot of the folks that do this, the gone on, the Google, they did whatever.

3615
04:50:00,000 --> 04:50:29,000
Number online, figure out all the consumption usage on these data centers. I've personally witnessed it. I've personally built them. Virginia, Washington, the Mayo Clinic, Minnesota, all the way south. The cooling towers, the rapid coolers, those are the big waterwasters. Okay, not the closed lip system through looking at it. Does I make it right now? The reason I got up here speak is no matter what option we go with, it's either going to be rooftops or it's going to be data centers.

3616
04:50:30,000 --> 04:50:31,580
I'd love the fact that some folks got up here

3617
04:50:31,580 --> 04:50:33,180
and talked about the environmental impacts

3618
04:50:33,180 --> 04:50:36,220
and making a degree in space or whatever they envision, right?

3619
04:50:36,460 --> 04:50:38,300
Truth be told, it's going to be rooftops,

3620
04:50:38,320 --> 04:50:39,740
it's going to be a data center, okay?

3621
04:50:40,460 --> 04:50:42,820
Put 500 rooftops there, if you've been out there,

3622
04:50:42,880 --> 04:50:43,960
you know where this place is at,

3623
04:50:44,180 --> 04:50:45,800
they already cut in another 500 rooftops

3624
04:50:45,800 --> 04:50:46,600
across the road.

3625
04:50:46,880 --> 04:50:48,480
They already got a thousand above that.

3626
04:50:49,640 --> 04:50:52,300
2000 vehicles, what do you think the environmental impacts

3627
04:50:52,300 --> 04:50:53,000
that that is?

3628
04:50:53,420 --> 04:50:54,880
There is nobody going to get rid of those guys.

3629
04:50:55,860 --> 04:50:57,960
We got the trash, we got people shooting guns

3630
04:50:57,960 --> 04:51:00,140
during the Fourth of July poppin' fireworks,

3631
04:51:00,340 --> 04:51:03,940
the trucks flying by, just this, you know, just sitin' back.

3632
04:51:04,460 --> 04:51:06,180
I got worried about my own county fixing the roads,

3633
04:51:06,340 --> 04:51:08,040
and I look at you guys, y'all are in a bunch of deficit.

3634
04:51:08,900 --> 04:51:11,020
Road improvements, municipal services,

3635
04:51:11,540 --> 04:51:15,680
fire, water, or a fire on EMS, police.

3636
04:51:15,980 --> 04:51:17,740
That's also something you're gonna figure out, okay?

3637
04:51:18,020 --> 04:51:21,160
That is gonna be a huge cost, thanks for time.

3638
04:51:21,500 --> 04:51:21,980
Thank you, sir.

3639
04:51:27,450 --> 04:51:30,270
Luke Kraft, three or six credit avenue,

3640
04:51:32,930 --> 04:51:35,570
pretty tired, so I'm going to keep this short,

3641
04:51:37,870 --> 04:51:44,150
but to reiterate what's been a, someone said earlier about why does it have to be houses or data center.

3642
04:51:45,330 --> 04:51:53,410
If anything, we are experiencing a housing crisis nationwide, currently some of the houses wouldn't be such a bad thing, I mean people can live there.

3643
04:51:53,410 --> 04:52:02,150
And I'm sure that there will be more jobs if there was not a data center, jobs aren't disappearing.

3644
04:52:03,830 --> 04:52:08,410
You know, we have two Bucky's within a 30-minute radius, currently.

3645
04:52:09,610 --> 04:52:13,930
Textaud is building highways into infinity.

3646
04:52:14,910 --> 04:52:20,890
I think one of the union members came up here earlier and clarified that they weren't being paid to be here.

3647
04:52:22,090 --> 04:52:48,830
And I would agree with that, you weren't forced to take this job, you took this job and, you know, if this data center doesn't happen, I'm sure the union won't disappear, I'm sure they're fine jobs, I'm sure people won't be starving in the streets, you know, and if there aren't enough union jobs, then why is that? That's not the citizen's fault, that's someone else's fault, and maybe there should be more union jobs, so they have options.

3648
04:52:48,830 --> 04:52:58,490
So, they don't have to take a job that is so divisive for this community and pits people against each other.

3649
04:52:59,150 --> 04:53:05,970
Or maybe we can just leave the land B because, I don't know, 10, 20 years ago it was fine.

3650
04:53:06,170 --> 04:53:13,250
But all of a sudden we have data centers are kind of a fad and a trend right now.

3651
04:53:13,250 --> 04:53:15,630
So I think everyone's trying to hot bond to that.

3652
04:53:16,910 --> 04:53:19,050
And we just don't need it.

3653
04:53:19,510 --> 04:53:20,850
So thank you.

3654
04:53:21,090 --> 04:53:22,270
Thank you.

3655
04:53:36,300 --> 04:53:36,880
Thank you.

3656
04:53:37,500 --> 04:53:40,760
Chris V. Polanco, 669, Bandarist Street,

3657
04:53:40,940 --> 04:53:42,560
this out of Brook neighborhood.

3658
04:53:44,260 --> 04:53:46,560
A question that occurred to me while I was sitting out there

3659
04:53:46,560 --> 04:53:49,940
and granted, I don't know how true what I've heard is,

3660
04:53:50,160 --> 04:53:55,700
but I do have to ask, has maybe even paid the toast

3661
04:53:55,700 --> 04:54:00,480
for their property yet, just a question

3662
04:54:00,480 --> 04:54:03,500
throughout their Mr. Whalen brought up

3663
04:54:04,060 --> 04:54:07,980
like the lifespan of the data centers.

3664
04:54:10,000 --> 04:54:13,620
Where does all that equipment go when it becomes outdated

3665
04:54:13,620 --> 04:54:15,360
in the replace it?

3666
04:54:15,480 --> 04:54:17,260
It goes into a landfill somewhere.

3667
04:54:19,420 --> 04:54:22,180
What happens when it becomes not so cost effective

3668
04:54:22,180 --> 04:54:25,620
to update the equipment, well then the data center

3669
04:54:28,640 --> 04:54:32,620
if it costs too much to upgrade things they just won't do it.

3670
04:54:33,580 --> 04:54:43,760
In the past, Maxwell Baker has brought up how an injunction is probably something the city will not do if the covenants are broken.

3671
04:54:44,880 --> 04:54:48,200
The city council has already shown that they are afraid to stand up to the governor.

3672
04:54:50,140 --> 04:54:52,960
Yeah, this is just as disjointed as the last time I tried.

3673
04:54:53,640 --> 04:54:54,080
Sorry,

3674
04:54:57,360 --> 04:54:59,960
basically a problem I'm seeing here.

3675
04:55:00,000 --> 04:55:12,340
It is that may vary. And as people have not convinced the public of the value of this data center. And unfortunately, for us, they only have to convince you.

3676
04:55:14,620 --> 04:55:26,840
This is a chance not to get a data center that we have questionable control over for questionable benefits. It's a chance to say no to at least one data center.

3677
04:55:27,640 --> 04:55:30,820
If they want to go build outside of San Marcos,

3678
04:55:31,620 --> 04:55:33,260
let John May be able to go buy more land.

3679
04:55:34,020 --> 04:55:37,480
I don't think he'd ever get the land he currently has, DNX.

3680
04:55:38,500 --> 04:55:40,840
So if that's what he really wants to do, let him go do that.

3681
04:55:42,140 --> 04:55:43,840
And spend even more of his own money.

3682
04:55:45,040 --> 04:55:46,180
Find by me.

3683
04:55:46,940 --> 04:55:47,600
Sort of.

3684
04:55:51,260 --> 04:55:51,600
I don't know.

3685
04:55:51,760 --> 04:55:54,840
I just see this as a chance for you guys to show

3686
04:55:56,140 --> 04:56:07,200
Last time you only one person voted to recommend approval while the city council then needed the super majority and they didn't get it, though they did get a majority.

3687
04:56:08,420 --> 04:56:13,940
So this is just another chance for you guys to show that you're just at least that much better than the city council.

3688
04:56:15,780 --> 04:56:17,060
Yeah, I guess that's all I got.

3689
04:56:17,420 --> 04:56:18,240
Thank you, sir.

3690
04:56:26,110 --> 04:56:29,770
Again, a cure-a-utter of 1, 2, 1,

3691
04:56:29,890 --> 04:56:36,030
Chrotic Avenue, and I think it does take a lot for a bunch of young people,

3692
04:56:36,130 --> 04:56:40,310
especially like myself to come out here and talk about an issue that they are very passionate about,

3693
04:56:40,350 --> 04:56:43,870
and I hope that that action reflects in y'all's decision,

3694
04:56:44,090 --> 04:56:47,450
and then you take the people's words into consideration,

3695
04:56:48,130 --> 04:56:54,570
but I would like to point out a contradiction in the proposed data center plan.

3696
04:56:54,570 --> 04:57:00,670
I think you all said low environmental impacts as opposed to the other plan that we were just

3697
04:57:00,670 --> 04:57:06,750
talked about that we just heard a few minutes ago that one listed out the environmental impacts

3698
04:57:06,750 --> 04:57:11,730
and what would happen I think it was with the transportation stuff.

3699
04:57:12,630 --> 04:57:18,430
And I would like to see maybe a full fledged more research list of the environmental impacts of the data center

3700
04:57:18,430 --> 04:57:22,890
instead of just low environmental impacts because that doesn't really mean nothing.

3701
04:57:22,890 --> 04:57:25,050
That's all right, excuse me, that doesn't really mean anything.

3702
04:57:26,090 --> 04:57:31,150
And I would also like to point out that most of the people that are for this don't really live here.

3703
04:57:31,230 --> 04:57:39,250
They don't really live in Samarkis, they won't be experiencing the effects of this data center, and they probably don't want to.

3704
04:57:39,790 --> 04:57:50,290
So I would employ y'all to really process who is here and who is advocating against this and to do the citizens of Samarkis, a favor, please.

3705
04:57:50,950 --> 04:57:53,970
Thank you for your time, have a great night.

3706
04:57:59,500 --> 04:58:01,320
Hi, Gina Flemington, 13, Dartmouth.

3707
04:58:02,380 --> 04:58:04,040
Thank you for your patience this evening.

3708
04:58:04,320 --> 04:58:08,200
I wanted to say a few things about public, since a number of people

3709
04:58:08,200 --> 04:58:10,200
had mentioned public health effects.

3710
04:58:11,280 --> 04:58:14,260
I came across a research article this morning,

3711
04:58:14,440 --> 04:58:16,120
and I haven't had time to summarize it,

3712
04:58:16,240 --> 04:58:20,140
so I'm just going to read off some areas I highlighted.

3713
04:58:21,800 --> 04:58:28,980
The article is called the unpaid toll quantifying and addressing the public health impact of data centers.

3714
04:58:29,420 --> 04:58:35,100
It says across its entire life cycle from chip manufacturing to operation.

3715
04:58:35,560 --> 04:58:44,640
A data center contributes substantially to air quality degradation and public health costs through the emission of various criteria air pollutants.

3716
04:58:44,640 --> 04:58:50,780
These include fine particulate matter, which is referred to as pm2.5.

3717
04:58:50,800 --> 04:58:56,680
These are particles measuring 2.5 micrometers or smaller, and diameter that can

3718
04:58:56,680 --> 04:59:01,500
penetrate deep into lungs and cause serious health effects.

3719
04:59:02,140 --> 04:59:05,640
Also, sulfur dioxide and nitrogen dioxide.

3720
04:59:08,260 --> 04:59:13,360
Conqueredly, the server manufacturing process electricity generation from fossil fuels to

3721
04:59:13,360 --> 04:59:19,280
our data centers and the maintenance and usage of diesel backup generators to ensure continuous

3722
04:59:19,280 --> 04:59:25,260
data center operation, all produced significant amounts of criteria, air pollutants.

3723
04:59:25,620 --> 04:59:31,120
Exposure to air pollutants is directly and causally linked to various adverse health

3724
04:59:31,120 --> 04:59:37,180
incomes, including premature mortality, lung cancer, asthma, heart attacks, cardiovascular

3725
04:59:37,180 --> 04:59:39,940
disease, and even cognitive decline.

3726
04:59:42,320 --> 04:59:47,200
Criteria air pollutants are not confined to the immediate vicinity of their emission sources

3727
04:59:47,200 --> 04:59:53,580
that can travel hundreds of miles through a dispersion process, impacting public health

3728
04:59:53,580 --> 04:59:59,420
crossed vast regions. Further PM 2.5 is considered non-threshold.

3729
05:00:00,430 --> 05:00:14,410
There is absolutely no safe exposure level. Thus, compliance with national regional air quality standards does not necessarily ensure the air is healthy.

3730
05:00:14,410 --> 05:00:25,290
The public health impact of AI is a highly, unevenly distributed, is highly, unevenly distributed

3731
05:00:25,290 --> 05:00:34,050
across different counties and communities disproportionately affecting certain IELO often

3732
05:00:34,050 --> 05:00:35,710
low income communities.

3733
05:00:35,710 --> 05:00:44,130
It is imperative to address this substantial health impact disparities across communities.

3734
05:00:45,570 --> 05:00:47,210
Thank you.

3735
05:00:47,330 --> 05:00:47,880
Thank you.

3736
05:00:54,980 --> 05:00:55,980
Hi, Sifidi.

3737
05:00:59,340 --> 05:01:03,140
Gina was just elaborating on the health consequences of data centers.

3738
05:01:03,580 --> 05:01:08,920
I want to go over some of my notes sort of about the presentation.

3739
05:01:08,920 --> 05:01:11,540
And this isn't about, like, count of data centers.

3740
05:01:11,640 --> 05:01:13,300
This is not just one more data center.

3741
05:01:14,040 --> 05:01:14,980
I've said this before.

3742
05:01:15,100 --> 05:01:17,860
This data center would be bigger than all 84 currently

3743
05:01:17,860 --> 05:01:20,980
operational data centers between Austin and San Antonio.

3744
05:01:22,940 --> 05:01:26,140
People die in Northern Virginia, which has more data centers

3745
05:01:26,140 --> 05:01:27,320
than anywhere else in the world.

3746
05:01:27,380 --> 05:01:30,200
People are facing the health consequences there.

3747
05:01:32,320 --> 05:01:33,680
And just the track data center,

3748
05:01:33,700 --> 05:01:34,800
supposed to come to Calville County,

3749
05:01:34,840 --> 05:01:36,840
is going to be almost twice all of the data centers

3750
05:01:36,840 --> 05:01:38,940
and currently operational in Northern Virginia.

3751
05:01:41,480 --> 05:01:44,640
In March, I walked home from that meeting at 2am

3752
05:01:44,640 --> 05:01:45,840
feeling pretty elated.

3753
05:01:46,160 --> 05:01:49,120
Like I felt like we're all on this together.

3754
05:01:50,100 --> 05:01:52,520
I was looking forward to talking with Jim about it.

3755
05:01:55,240 --> 05:01:56,560
What I took away from that meeting,

3756
05:01:56,800 --> 05:02:01,120
some of the things y'all said was you were pushing back

3757
05:02:01,120 --> 05:02:04,460
against this ask between what y'all called

3758
05:02:04,460 --> 05:02:07,060
at the time, like a bad project and a worse project.

3759
05:02:12,240 --> 05:02:15,480
And it's not a, you know, you said at that meeting,

3760
05:02:15,760 --> 05:02:17,780
like actually we're actually being tasked with

3761
05:02:17,780 --> 05:02:22,620
is considering the land as it is and what he's proposing.

3762
05:02:29,070 --> 05:02:32,590
I want to say to, you know, when they say the equipment

3763
05:02:32,590 --> 05:02:35,790
will be refreshed, that's code for like a ton of E-Way

3764
05:02:35,790 --> 05:02:39,230
straight, also around Senate Bill 6.

3765
05:02:39,230 --> 05:02:47,030
Like, Gina was just saying, that means you're either going to die from a grid outage or you're going to die from all the pollution from the back of diesel generators.

3766
05:02:47,490 --> 05:02:51,010
I think it's hard for us to conceptualize the amount of emissions that these would create.

3767
05:02:51,530 --> 05:02:57,350
And also, lastly, I want to say, these are not inevitable. I realize a lot of people are starting from this defeatist position.

3768
05:02:57,430 --> 05:02:59,090
If it's going to happen, it's going to happen.

3769
05:02:59,090 --> 05:03:04,630
But an article just came out recently that showed that 40% of data center

3770
05:03:07,390 --> 05:03:08,430
developments that

3771
05:03:08,430 --> 05:03:16,290
Encountered sustained opposition were canceled. I like to think we have a better chance than that here in San Marcos, and I think that should be evident everyone here

3772
05:03:16,290 --> 05:03:18,050
I think we have a pretty good chance

3773
05:03:18,050 --> 05:03:19,010
actually

3774
05:03:19,970 --> 05:03:24,790
Because we love this place. We're deeply devoted. We're building a force and

3775
05:03:25,430 --> 05:03:31,030
I'm sorry, some of our, like the expert folks who were here to field questions actually went home,

3776
05:03:31,170 --> 05:03:35,850
someone from public citizen came out from San Antonio, she was an expert on power plants and diesel generators,

3777
05:03:37,530 --> 05:03:44,770
and Zane also with the Watershed Association, but we've been doing a ton of research, and we, like I've said before,

3778
05:03:44,910 --> 05:03:51,570
know more about data centers than John Mayberry does, and it's unfortunate that he gets so much time in the city,

3779
05:03:51,570 --> 05:03:54,750
makes these presentations for him that are so strangely

3780
05:03:55,210 --> 05:03:55,610
lopsided.

3781
05:03:56,030 --> 05:03:58,530
Another thing you all said in March was that it's not part of y'all's job

3782
05:03:58,530 --> 05:04:03,610
to be considering budget and considering that's like, as Jim put it,

3783
05:04:03,790 --> 05:04:04,490
the only pro.

3784
05:04:06,690 --> 05:04:07,490
Thank you.

3785
05:04:12,810 --> 05:04:14,290
Anybody else in the chamber, wish to speak?

3786
05:04:15,550 --> 05:04:18,310
And I take it we didn't have anybody online that wish to speak, did we?

3787
05:04:18,790 --> 05:04:19,530
Thank you, sir.

3788
05:04:21,660 --> 05:04:22,540
I'll close the public hearing.

3789
05:04:22,860 --> 05:04:27,180
I will make a motion to approve PSA25-02 as presented.

3790
05:04:35,500 --> 05:04:38,160
I have a couple.

3791
05:04:38,680 --> 05:04:39,480
Mr. Van Odekerke.

3792
05:04:39,880 --> 05:04:43,000
And I guess the first one is for our legal staff.

3793
05:04:43,780 --> 05:04:46,220
Because I do listen to what people say.

3794
05:04:46,360 --> 05:04:47,360
I listen to an open mind.

3795
05:04:49,020 --> 05:04:53,520
One of the questions that was raised tonight is about.

3796
05:04:53,680 --> 05:04:59,200
Do we have to wait six months after the council tonight?

3797
05:05:01,100 --> 05:05:25,740
So, I'm not going to be here to debate legal issues in public, but, you know, the item is for you, and you're, in all lengths of the question, but y'all's decision is based on the criteria and the zoning, you know, criteria, but the way we've handled things in San Marcos is most approvals require either approval, conditional approval or denial.

3798
05:05:26,920 --> 05:05:35,440
And it's true under typical robber tools, for example, sometimes a an approval motion that fails could be considered as a denial.

3799
05:05:36,220 --> 05:05:43,780
But when it comes to development applications, it's always been our position, and this has been the position for years in San Marcos that the way the code is written.

3800
05:05:44,660 --> 05:05:50,840
You need to have a denial or an approval, and that's how we've treated it as a formal denial.

3801
05:05:51,380 --> 05:05:53,520
So I don't see a problem with that.

3802
05:05:53,520 --> 05:06:02,220
I think you can probably just want to work for legal and of course lawyers can always debate forever, but that

3803
05:06:02,220 --> 05:06:08,860
And the answer is probably going to be the same to my second question the city council did ask

3804
05:06:10,140 --> 05:06:18,620
In my words, they did ask for another zoning type category. I guess and

3805
05:06:18,620 --> 05:06:22,020
That hasn't happened it will that having effect or what we're doing tonight

3806
05:06:24,080 --> 05:06:26,380
I'm not sure which you're getting in.

3807
05:06:26,660 --> 05:06:28,340
I believe the council, city council,

3808
05:06:29,260 --> 05:06:32,240
staff to come back with a different category for zoning.

3809
05:06:34,480 --> 05:06:35,440
Sam, can I respond to that?

3810
05:06:35,460 --> 05:06:36,420
Yes, yeah, I'll have it out.

3811
05:06:36,940 --> 05:06:40,000
There are, in our draft, code amendments,

3812
05:06:40,280 --> 05:06:42,400
I think, which planning is on a commission

3813
05:06:42,400 --> 05:06:44,040
and looked at in December

3814
05:06:44,040 --> 05:06:46,960
and should be coming back to you next month, I believe.

3815
05:06:48,260 --> 05:06:50,700
There is a specific, as drafted,

3816
05:06:50,860 --> 05:06:52,820
there are specific uses for,

3817
05:06:52,820 --> 05:06:56,760
But there's a new line in our land use matrix just for data centers.

3818
05:06:57,620 --> 05:07:05,480
So I think as drafted, it would be limited in heavy industrial and it would require a

3819
05:07:05,480 --> 05:07:09,380
conditionally use permit in light industrial zoning.

3820
05:07:10,260 --> 05:07:16,080
I don't know if this wouldn't necessarily apply to this particular project, but there are

3821
05:07:16,080 --> 05:07:19,760
additional standards that are being drafted and have been publicly circulated.

3822
05:07:19,760 --> 05:07:24,860
You're not a part of the Mr. I wasn't sure you were asking if there was a different category

3823
05:07:24,860 --> 05:07:28,080
That's currently allowed that somebody was proposing for this

3824
05:07:28,080 --> 05:07:31,760
So yeah, that wouldn't impact this decision tonight if that code amendment passes

3825
05:07:33,660 --> 05:07:40,520
Save this this item failed for whatever reason for council and and then a new code is a path it passed

3826
05:07:40,520 --> 05:07:41,760
You know

3827
05:07:42,860 --> 05:07:46,140
Property owners can come and reapply under the new code as well

3828
05:07:46,140 --> 05:07:51,160
down the line, but that would not affect tonight's recommendation or council's decision

3829
05:07:51,160 --> 05:07:54,420
the next meeting because it's not an effect yet.

3830
05:07:54,460 --> 05:07:56,920
I understand incorrectly what you're asking.

3831
05:07:57,680 --> 05:07:58,300
Thank you.

3832
05:07:58,480 --> 05:07:59,400
So you started a great trend.

3833
05:07:59,560 --> 05:08:03,300
I think we'll just kind of go around the table if Commissioner Brellison would like to say anything.

3834
05:08:04,060 --> 05:08:04,460
Commissioner Agnes?

3835
05:08:07,390 --> 05:08:07,490
Yeah.

3836
05:08:07,490 --> 05:08:08,030
Maybe yes, sir.

3837
05:08:08,990 --> 05:08:17,210
Yeah, something that has confused me, and actually at times irritated me, both in the staff

3838
05:08:17,210 --> 05:08:25,150
presentation in some of the applicants remarks is a comparison between the various aspects

3839
05:08:25,150 --> 05:08:34,170
of the data center and the single family home subdivision that was contemplated on the CD-5's

3840
05:08:34,170 --> 05:08:36,970
CD-2.5 so it was granted.

3841
05:08:38,630 --> 05:08:45,350
And that does not seem to me like a valid comparison and it's, I think, often somewhat deceptive.

3842
05:08:45,350 --> 05:08:48,710
and for reasons different than what Lisa Pruitt mentioned a while ago.

3843
05:08:49,150 --> 05:08:58,510
As I understand it, the single-family home development contemplated by the CD, 2.5,

3844
05:08:59,770 --> 05:09:03,590
zoning, proved not to be feasible and got abandoned.

3845
05:09:03,730 --> 05:09:05,250
That's what it sounds to me like.

3846
05:09:05,730 --> 05:09:08,130
And as a result, the applicant is taking a different direction.

3847
05:09:08,930 --> 05:09:16,410
And so I've kind of assumed a single-family thing is mood, or dead, or whatever

3848
05:09:16,410 --> 05:09:21,090
want to call it, and really not something we should even be worrying about right now.

3849
05:09:21,550 --> 05:09:24,410
And that's just not not a sound basis for comparison.

3850
05:09:25,430 --> 05:09:29,870
But I guess, and naturally when it's been brought up, it's always been favorable to the

3851
05:09:29,870 --> 05:09:30,170
applicant.

3852
05:09:30,370 --> 05:09:31,150
That's not comparison.

3853
05:09:31,810 --> 05:09:37,090
But the question I have, I think, for Mr. Mr. Mayberry, if, for example, this data center

3854
05:09:37,090 --> 05:09:43,930
thing did not go forward, would you consider going back and attempting a residential development

3855
05:09:43,930 --> 05:09:44,550
again?

3856
05:09:47,470 --> 05:09:56,710
Yes, so if we don't succeed here, that's our existing zoning, I know, that's what we would proceed with.

3857
05:09:57,130 --> 05:09:59,890
I mean, in the experience you had the first time, it doesn't.

3858
05:10:00,000 --> 05:10:19,620
Ladies you to believe there's still a triumph you could do that successfully. Yes. And I think Julia Cleary mentioned that we had actually started our construction plans and started the applications and it done the environmental studies and we're working with city engineers when this other use came up.

3859
05:10:19,620 --> 05:10:23,780
So, that's slightly different than how I've understood it.

3860
05:10:24,540 --> 05:10:25,180
All right, thank you.

3861
05:10:26,460 --> 05:10:26,660
Yes.

3862
05:10:26,660 --> 05:10:28,140
Before it ends in my turn.

3863
05:10:28,340 --> 05:10:28,760
Mr. Mayberry.

3864
05:10:28,780 --> 05:10:31,240
Mr. Mayberry, I haven't just a follow-up question with that.

3865
05:10:32,360 --> 05:10:40,820
So does that mean that a residential area was going forward until the data centers came to you?

3866
05:10:40,840 --> 05:10:42,460
I'm not quite sure what that means.

3867
05:10:42,460 --> 05:10:43,280
That's what it means.

3868
05:10:43,320 --> 05:10:44,240
Yes, that's what it means.

3869
05:10:44,420 --> 05:10:47,860
Okay, so it is feasible that a residential area could go in there.

3870
05:10:47,860 --> 05:10:49,960
We're moving forward and spending an engineering

3871
05:10:49,960 --> 05:10:51,580
dollars on the construction plans.

3872
05:10:51,960 --> 05:10:53,620
Okay, well that's thank you for clarifying.

3873
05:10:54,080 --> 05:10:55,580
All right, all right, thank you for that.

3874
05:10:55,760 --> 05:10:58,060
Okay, I do have, I want to go back to the legal

3875
05:10:58,060 --> 05:11:00,240
question that we were asking our city attorney.

3876
05:11:01,560 --> 05:11:07,520
I am a little bit concerned, just sounds like it's not

3877
05:11:07,520 --> 05:11:11,200
being clearly followed because, you know, the city does have

3878
05:11:11,200 --> 05:11:13,860
roles in place for help things are to proceed for

3879
05:11:13,860 --> 05:11:19,600
rules, that keeps everything on the up and up, everything clear if this happens, if A happens,

3880
05:11:19,720 --> 05:11:26,060
you know then B and C can happen, etc. It is clear that six months have not elapsed since

3881
05:11:26,060 --> 05:11:33,320
they first came through. It is also clear that this application, current application, is not materially

3882
05:11:33,320 --> 05:11:37,800
significantly different from the first, which would be the only reason they could apply before

3883
05:11:37,800 --> 05:11:43,620
the six months was over. What they have done in the application, the re-application process to my

3884
05:11:43,620 --> 05:11:45,380
I do appreciate it.

3885
05:11:45,520 --> 05:11:50,720
They answer a lot of the questions that came up, but it's not a different application.

3886
05:11:51,440 --> 05:11:56,920
So in my thinking, it should not even be a discussion yet.

3887
05:11:57,000 --> 05:12:05,040
It should not even be allowed to come to us and I'm wondering how legal can justify that.

3888
05:12:06,920 --> 05:12:07,260
Without,

3889
05:12:12,470 --> 05:12:19,170
I find it's City Council at them meeting in subsequently that it, it, a new

3890
05:12:19,170 --> 05:12:25,830
application can move forward, and I've said it that publicly, I said it to the council, and so, you know,

3891
05:12:26,810 --> 05:12:31,050
I don't know if we want to have a legal debate between me and my client.

3892
05:12:31,630 --> 05:12:35,810
You know, I mean we can do that, but that's the opinion I gave the council at that time.

3893
05:12:36,370 --> 05:12:44,390
And I gave that opinion that it could move forward because there was not a final denial of that matter.

3894
05:12:44,430 --> 05:12:46,050
Okay, so they did come to you.

3895
05:12:46,050 --> 05:12:52,310
Council came to you and asked. Well, in the public meeting, I'm not sharing legal advice that I gave

3896
05:12:52,310 --> 05:12:58,870
this was in a public meeting. I gave that opinion. Oh, okay, so the question was asked. Is it okay if they

3897
05:12:58,870 --> 05:13:04,430
come back before the six years time has elapsed? Yes. Oh, okay, so you then would be the decision maker,

3898
05:13:04,550 --> 05:13:08,110
because there was that term in there and I was wondering who is the decision maker this? Well,

3899
05:13:08,130 --> 05:13:14,090
I'm the one who gave the opinion. Yes. Okay. That it would be permissible. Okay, so that's how we are

3900
05:13:14,090 --> 05:13:19,730
So you're saying from Sam Marcus's legal standpoint, we're okay to proceed with the conversation tonight.

3901
05:13:20,430 --> 05:13:20,970
That's correct.

3902
05:13:21,370 --> 05:13:23,370
Okay, but it could be legally challenged.

3903
05:13:23,730 --> 05:13:24,550
I guess everything could be.

3904
05:13:24,830 --> 05:13:29,170
Lawyers can debate all kinds of things, but that was the opinion I gave you.

3905
05:13:29,270 --> 05:13:29,550
Yes, ma'am.

3906
05:13:29,830 --> 05:13:31,310
Okay, thank you for clarifying that.

3907
05:13:31,510 --> 05:13:36,230
One more question and I'm not sure who may be not you may be other staff,

3908
05:13:37,030 --> 05:13:42,710
but it is very clear that Council did give staff the directive after they denied.

3909
05:13:42,710 --> 05:13:46,770
They gave staff the clear directive to please come up with a new zoning.

3910
05:13:47,110 --> 05:13:50,730
I understand from staff thank you that they are working on that staff is working on that.

3911
05:13:51,150 --> 05:13:58,030
It seems to me very full hearty foolish on our part to be going ahead with this discussion

3912
05:13:58,030 --> 05:14:05,490
before we have a new zoning category specifically for data centers that is actually in process of being written.

3913
05:14:06,650 --> 05:14:13,610
I'm just not sure why we're even going on with this discussion because of that, because

3914
05:14:13,610 --> 05:14:14,570
of that as well.

3915
05:14:14,830 --> 05:14:16,450
Is there an explanation from staff?

3916
05:14:17,550 --> 05:14:18,830
So, I mean, I'll try.

3917
05:14:19,010 --> 05:14:20,370
I'm going to interrupt me if they want.

3918
05:14:21,010 --> 05:14:25,630
From Southfish Festival, if we get a zoning change request from a property owner and they meet

3919
05:14:25,630 --> 05:14:30,710
all the requirements in our code for a completed application, we're required to move forward

3920
05:14:30,710 --> 05:14:31,450
with that.

3921
05:14:31,450 --> 05:14:35,630
There's not necessarily an additional, we can definitely recommend, and then we're definitely

3922
05:14:35,630 --> 05:14:41,490
discussions with the applicant, potentially looking at a different time scale, but if

3923
05:14:41,490 --> 05:14:45,450
the end of the day of the applicant, as the property owner wants to move forward with that

3924
05:14:45,450 --> 05:14:50,110
application, we have to move forward with that.

3925
05:14:50,290 --> 05:14:52,590
I think they've made our criteria for a complete application.

3926
05:14:52,670 --> 05:14:55,950
I appreciate that, and that makes sense to me, you're just doing your job.

3927
05:14:55,950 --> 05:14:59,950
they send you a request and you're going to take the steps necessary to process.

3928
05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:29,960
Okay, and knowing that, I'm going to speak to my fellow commissioners up here, I just feel like we should really say, okay, let's put a hold on this, because we really do want to listen to what city council. Remember, you guys, we follow a city council. We are working at their request. We take our direction, our directives from them. If they have said, we want to see a new zoning category.

3929
05:15:30,000 --> 05:15:38,540
that data centers comfortably fit in, that I feel like we have no business overstepping

3930
05:15:40,380 --> 05:15:46,820
that ask on their part and going ahead and making a decision without the new zoning

3931
05:15:46,820 --> 05:15:47,300
in place.

3932
05:15:47,340 --> 05:15:52,220
So that's why I would ask if my fellow commissioners, maybe we should consider that.

3933
05:15:52,220 --> 05:15:58,900
I have a ready to go down and respond to what you can actually ask me.

3934
05:15:59,080 --> 05:16:02,260
As far as the zone, I'm sorry that I was trying to respond to our comment.

3935
05:16:03,880 --> 05:16:11,120
I don't see what difference a new zoning category would make in this case.

3936
05:16:11,560 --> 05:16:20,080
I don't think the issue here is light industrial versus some other zoning category.

3937
05:16:20,080 --> 05:16:31,320
I think the question here is data center versus no data center and I don't I don't really think that the cell a new zoning category make any difference to any of us, except possibly yourself

3938
05:16:31,320 --> 05:16:34,360
But I don't think that's that's really the issue here.

3939
05:16:34,440 --> 05:16:47,120
Can I respond to that my only concern is that we do know data centers are completely unique animal and we don't have anything in our LDC and our comprehensive plan speaks to that

3940
05:16:47,120 --> 05:16:49,840
we are going to. But it's not there yet.

3941
05:16:49,840 --> 05:16:52,300
And you're correct. It's not there yet. But there is a laying development

3942
05:16:52,300 --> 05:16:53,800
covenant amendment proposed for that.

3943
05:16:53,820 --> 05:16:58,000
I know, but that's my point. I would like to weigh just to be fully informed

3944
05:16:58,000 --> 05:17:02,920
before I vote on something that is not yet fully formed.

3945
05:17:03,360 --> 05:17:09,200
If I could ask you the question, I'm sorry. If we had this new zoning

3946
05:17:09,200 --> 05:17:11,820
district, would it make any difference to you?

3947
05:17:11,840 --> 05:17:16,740
Yes, it might. Because I think in the new zoning, every zoning category has

3948
05:17:17,960 --> 05:17:23,820
their own, their own specifics, and I would like to see what staff comes up with, what council

3949
05:17:23,820 --> 05:17:30,620
of crews, as an amendment to the LVC, as to what into the design, as to what that would

3950
05:17:30,620 --> 05:17:31,080
say.

3951
05:17:31,420 --> 05:17:36,360
I think that it would help us, it would help me feel more comfortable if I knew it fit into

3952
05:17:36,360 --> 05:17:41,800
what we have agreed in some markets can be a data center, so we would make a difference to

3953
05:17:41,800 --> 05:17:42,200
me.

3954
05:17:42,200 --> 05:17:42,820
Okay.

3955
05:17:45,440 --> 05:17:46,120
Can you raise your spell?

3956
05:17:47,700 --> 05:17:49,600
I want to follow up on that and ask them in our questions.

3957
05:17:50,260 --> 05:17:51,640
I think it's kind of a move point.

3958
05:17:52,260 --> 05:17:57,300
If Council gave direction that they wanted to use an incategory first, they can post

3959
05:17:57,300 --> 05:17:58,660
by no one Council gets it.

3960
05:17:59,280 --> 05:18:02,600
So Council has a discretion to do that regardless of what P&C does tonight.

3961
05:18:03,200 --> 05:18:08,700
So if Council wants to wait and see for a D.C.'s data center zoning category, and once

3962
05:18:08,700 --> 05:18:15,360
applicant to apply for that, they can do so by themselves. I don't think, and I wasn't

3963
05:18:15,360 --> 05:18:19,100
at the council meeting, I can't speak to that. I don't know if the direction from council

3964
05:18:19,960 --> 05:18:25,520
was to create a new zoning category first for this project, because that's very close to spot

3965
05:18:25,520 --> 05:18:30,900
zoning. I think that the direction was probably more than the direction of in the future,

3966
05:18:31,160 --> 05:18:35,420
because we may have future data center projects that come up before us, to have a zoning kind of

3967
05:18:35,420 --> 05:18:40,540
already ready to go, you know, down the road, you know, year from now or something, so that

3968
05:18:40,540 --> 05:18:45,160
we have a focus about category, but I don't know if there was direction from council for this

3969
05:18:45,160 --> 05:18:50,080
project to wait until that category was done. If I'm wrong, council could just do that when

3970
05:18:50,080 --> 05:18:58,520
they get it. I do want to ask staff, we had a, at the very beginning of the meeting, one of the

3971
05:18:58,520 --> 05:19:05,080
applicants, there was a term restrictive covenant that could be enforced by objective relief. My assumption

3972
05:19:05,080 --> 05:19:07,960
is that's pretty much standard for most of the governance?

3973
05:19:08,560 --> 05:19:09,180
Is that true?

3974
05:19:09,380 --> 05:19:10,840
When does the city have the ability to do that?

3975
05:19:13,080 --> 05:19:14,960
Well, first of all, the researcher

3976
05:19:14,960 --> 05:19:18,180
covenants have not been approved by Council

3977
05:19:18,180 --> 05:19:20,360
and have not been finally negotiated.

3978
05:19:21,140 --> 05:19:22,220
They've provided a draft.

3979
05:19:22,780 --> 05:19:25,500
Generally speaking, the draft they provided

3980
05:19:25,500 --> 05:19:27,580
does provide for injunctive relief

3981
05:19:27,580 --> 05:19:31,300
and potential monetary damages if I'm not mistaken,

3982
05:19:31,900 --> 05:19:33,240
which is fairly standard.

3983
05:19:33,240 --> 05:19:34,340
However,

3984
05:19:36,920 --> 05:19:37,760
while it's standard,

3985
05:19:39,840 --> 05:19:43,360
there's some complexities to a data center and of what phases,

3986
05:19:44,620 --> 05:19:52,900
those remedies would be available, and so if it moves forward and counsels, these fit

3987
05:19:52,900 --> 05:19:59,180
to consider this with the covenants, we would have to get into further legal negotiations

3988
05:19:59,180 --> 05:19:59,880
on the final.

3989
05:20:01,440 --> 05:20:11,460
So for example, when are those penalties assessed? Are some penalties unable to be assessed once it's built, for example.

3990
05:20:12,620 --> 05:20:16,820
So it gets a little complex. So there's going to be some layers to this if this moves forward.

3991
05:20:17,360 --> 05:20:24,300
And before final product. Yes. Injunctive relief is the typical remedy with a restrictive covenant.

3992
05:20:24,300 --> 05:20:29,960
And does the city have experience doing that in the past with other projects in our areas in the city?

3993
05:20:30,400 --> 05:20:36,940
We've done agreements with that, but we've never had that I can recall, and don't only this,

3994
05:20:37,000 --> 05:20:42,100
I can't recall, in case where we had to actually enforce something like this.

3995
05:20:43,140 --> 05:20:46,420
But we've entered into agreements that provide us in junk to relief.

3996
05:20:46,740 --> 05:20:50,200
And that's an even in contracts that we have certain contracts.

3997
05:20:50,200 --> 05:20:59,780
We have the ability for objective relief, but we've not had to litigate in recent memory that I can recall.

3998
05:21:00,420 --> 05:21:02,260
It is usually a pretty extreme step.

3999
05:21:02,400 --> 05:21:03,760
We've got to actually go to a judge.

4000
05:21:04,400 --> 05:21:04,700
Yeah.

4001
05:21:05,380 --> 05:21:06,160
That's correct.

4002
05:21:06,980 --> 05:21:09,240
And you can get a temporary injunction, permanent injunction.

4003
05:21:11,340 --> 05:21:14,360
And it's quite remarkable the power of a court order.

4004
05:21:15,380 --> 05:21:17,160
People have to stop something, didn't it?

4005
05:21:17,180 --> 05:21:17,840
They're tracks, right?

4006
05:21:20,040 --> 05:21:28,400
But we have, yes, we have other agreements whether it's restricted to covenant or just contracts that provide for injunct relief.

4007
05:21:28,720 --> 05:21:30,120
That's pretty common remedy.

4008
05:21:31,220 --> 05:21:34,400
Okay, and then I think one question is probably more for planning staff.

4009
05:21:35,560 --> 05:21:39,480
What are the speakers alleged that there were taxidaments on this property?

4010
05:21:40,480 --> 05:21:44,020
Has the applicant applied for city taxidaments or a chapter for 80?

4011
05:21:44,880 --> 05:21:46,900
Not to my understanding.

4012
05:21:46,900 --> 05:21:53,700
I believe that they were referencing their state tax abatements, I don't know a bit federal, but they're definitely

4013
05:21:53,700 --> 05:21:59,080
But they have an expert in the city from to my understanding. That's that's not something that we've received an application

4014
05:21:59,080 --> 05:22:01,040
They have this account for those

4015
05:22:01,040 --> 05:22:04,740
But my understanding is they have in the fly for one and it's a legacy

4016
05:22:04,740 --> 05:22:06,360
I see the school district

4017
05:22:06,360 --> 05:22:11,620
Is generally restricted they can't give tax abatements in general like at all pretty much is that correct?

4018
05:22:13,320 --> 05:22:16,600
I'm trying to say, I'm trying to say we're understanding is that school districts are

4019
05:22:16,600 --> 05:22:21,860
specifically limited that they can basically almost are very, very restricted in the

4020
05:22:21,860 --> 05:22:22,060
house.

4021
05:22:22,360 --> 05:22:25,880
I'm not aware of the abatements that school districts can provide it all in the

4022
05:22:25,880 --> 05:22:30,160
life of slatures made that clear because they've got no money to spare.

4023
05:22:30,660 --> 05:22:32,400
So I will defer to Commissioner Gosty.

4024
05:22:32,940 --> 05:22:34,460
Yeah, that they can basically can't do that.

4025
05:22:34,660 --> 05:22:37,260
It's going to be cities and counties pretty much.

4026
05:22:37,260 --> 05:22:44,960
Could we, I think it's SB6, the law that came into effect at the end of the year, related

4027
05:22:44,960 --> 05:22:50,960
to data centers, possibly having to shut down during extreme loads, can stop, can legal

4028
05:22:50,960 --> 05:22:51,960
speak that a little bit?

4029
05:22:52,460 --> 05:22:57,320
I, you know, what I would be giving you misinformation to try and interpret that live,

4030
05:22:57,500 --> 05:23:00,080
we're out about it, but I could not give you the details,

4031
05:23:02,200 --> 05:23:03,420
fortunately I don't want to

4032
05:23:03,420 --> 05:23:04,760
give you misinformation on that.

4033
05:23:04,760 --> 05:23:05,080
I understand.

4034
05:23:05,260 --> 05:23:06,160
Thank you.

4035
05:23:06,160 --> 05:23:06,980
That's all I have for now.

4036
05:23:07,180 --> 05:23:10,900
Well, I think that's great information to be noted though as well for Council to hear.

4037
05:23:11,240 --> 05:23:14,460
Commissioner Lippe, we can Mr. Kustia apologize.

4038
05:23:25,230 --> 05:23:29,670
In the sense of the discussion that's taking place, Commissioner, thank you, Commissioner

4039
05:23:29,670 --> 05:23:35,250
Vendor Corky for asking the questions regarding the legal aspects that I was going to ask.

4040
05:23:36,770 --> 05:23:37,570
regarding Commissioner,

4041
05:23:40,070 --> 05:23:45,310
Amy, I understand where you're coming from, as far as that's concerned.

4042
05:23:47,310 --> 05:23:54,490
So my question to you is going to be, is that if it says that with a new, any kind of ruling,

4043
05:23:55,290 --> 05:24:00,090
cause that comes out for data centers, is that something that you would support there, but it's okay there?

4044
05:24:00,610 --> 05:24:01,930
I'm sorry, what was the question to you?

4045
05:24:01,930 --> 05:24:05,490
So you're saying that you're waiting for the, the, the, the, the

4046
05:24:05,490 --> 05:24:07,870
knee coach to come out, recording after school, right?

4047
05:24:08,050 --> 05:24:10,970
So if it's something that covers that, are you saying that?

4048
05:24:11,270 --> 05:24:11,910
I mean, absolutely.

4049
05:24:12,390 --> 05:24:12,870
If it fits.

4050
05:24:13,030 --> 05:24:14,770
If you're supposed to support that.

4051
05:24:15,430 --> 05:24:21,330
I can also see a commissioner acting comments regarding that.

4052
05:24:21,350 --> 05:24:22,970
What we have before us.

4053
05:24:24,030 --> 05:24:29,610
And so what we have before us is nothing to do with what you're talking about.

4054
05:24:29,610 --> 05:24:32,110
So what are we going to do as a dies here?

4055
05:24:32,310 --> 05:24:34,550
Are we going to deal with what we have before us?

4056
05:24:34,910 --> 05:24:36,250
Or what are we going to do?

4057
05:24:36,870 --> 05:24:41,770
This is why I mean, that's why I'm saying is that it's completely changed.

4058
05:24:42,390 --> 05:24:47,250
The dynamic series for us, what we're doing, what exactly, what are we doing?

4059
05:24:47,530 --> 05:24:48,770
May I respond to that?

4060
05:24:49,970 --> 05:24:54,410
My point is that it doesn't fit what we have in the LDC.

4061
05:24:54,770 --> 05:24:58,430
And we're changing, they're asking us to change the preferred scenario amendment,

4062
05:24:58,430 --> 05:24:59,970
which was only of...

4063
05:25:00,000 --> 05:25:15,180
Okay, and voted in and blessed only a few years ago, and that preferred scenario amendment did not allow anything close to a data center, but yet that's what we are voting on.

4064
05:25:15,180 --> 05:25:24,260
And so that's why I'm saying, let's wait and see if the new zoning explanation, new zoning category,

4065
05:25:25,340 --> 05:25:32,760
makes it more reasonable that a data center could go there because in my opinion, it can't go there right now.

4066
05:25:33,060 --> 05:25:34,580
It's not the right place.

4067
05:25:35,460 --> 05:25:41,820
And for various reasons, we have a huge local elements saying, no, no, no, please don't do this.

4068
05:25:41,820 --> 05:25:44,840
It reminds me of the wood's apartment how many years ago

4069
05:25:44,840 --> 05:25:49,120
when City Hall was full of citizens saying,

4070
05:25:49,360 --> 05:25:51,420
please don't build the wood's apartment.

4071
05:25:52,260 --> 05:25:54,860
Planning is only located, City Council located,

4072
05:25:55,060 --> 05:25:56,720
people's lives were ruined.

4073
05:25:57,600 --> 05:25:59,620
People I know personally people,

4074
05:26:00,220 --> 05:26:02,380
who their life, they've never been able to recover.

4075
05:26:03,140 --> 05:26:05,420
They are now living, not in their house.

4076
05:26:06,340 --> 05:26:08,420
They just recently had to sell it.

4077
05:26:08,760 --> 05:26:10,780
They're living out, they can't even vote anymore

4078
05:26:10,780 --> 05:26:13,440
and say, Marcus, they live so far out in a trailer

4079
05:26:13,440 --> 05:26:14,940
that they could afford to buy.

4080
05:26:15,360 --> 05:26:20,520
So I am not willing to use my vote to harm people

4081
05:26:20,520 --> 05:26:22,360
that tell me they're going to be harmed.

4082
05:26:22,400 --> 05:26:23,940
I'm going to listen to that.

4083
05:26:25,320 --> 05:26:29,980
And at on top of that, that I don't think the current zoning

4084
05:26:29,980 --> 05:26:30,560
we have.

4085
05:26:30,740 --> 05:26:32,700
I feel like we're trying to push data centers

4086
05:26:32,700 --> 05:26:34,060
into light industrial.

4087
05:26:34,240 --> 05:26:35,260
They're not heavy industrial.

4088
05:26:35,560 --> 05:26:37,520
So we're going to make them fit into light industrial.

4089
05:26:37,620 --> 05:26:39,440
It doesn't feel right to me.

4090
05:26:39,440 --> 05:26:45,740
That's why I'm saying, look, I'm open, but not right now because I don't think we have the right document yet.

4091
05:26:46,220 --> 05:26:48,280
And Mr. Chair, if I could, I'm sorry.

4092
05:26:48,820 --> 05:26:51,860
Well, I was going to say further and more come a little bit.

4093
05:26:51,920 --> 05:26:52,200
All right.

4094
05:26:52,460 --> 05:27:03,060
Yeah, I mean, you mentioned that even if those new quotes come out that it would still not be something that would fit into this.

4095
05:27:03,080 --> 05:27:03,780
Does that what you said?

4096
05:27:03,840 --> 05:27:04,660
We don't know.

4097
05:27:04,960 --> 05:27:07,300
Well, now that I didn't say that part.

4098
05:27:09,400 --> 05:27:10,760
What exactly?

4099
05:27:11,240 --> 05:27:11,380
What exactly?

4100
05:27:11,420 --> 05:27:11,920
What exactly?

4101
05:27:11,940 --> 05:27:17,260
What exactly, correctly, is until the new code was adopted, the applicant just certainly

4102
05:27:17,260 --> 05:27:20,760
allowed to apply for what the code allows currently.

4103
05:27:22,380 --> 05:27:27,980
You all have criteria before you for approval of a comprehensive plan amendment, which

4104
05:27:27,980 --> 05:27:33,960
is specifically, meaning the preferred scenario, preferred scenario with in the comprehensive

4105
05:27:33,960 --> 05:27:34,500
plan.

4106
05:27:34,500 --> 05:27:41,980
And you've got your criteria and the only common I was going to add after your comments was just to remind the Commission.

4107
05:27:42,960 --> 05:27:47,100
We're talking a lot about the zoning and just for context really for the audience.

4108
05:27:47,460 --> 05:27:54,140
We're talking about a preferred scenario change that will allow within it certain types of zoning.

4109
05:27:54,140 --> 05:28:15,580
And so part of your decision is do we think this is a preferred, an appropriate preferred scenario based on the types of things that would be allowed within that just to kind of distinguish between that and then the zoning case that will come up after this a little bit of a distinction there.

4110
05:28:15,580 --> 05:28:41,600
But again, like so, I know that really the focus is on the data center, but you're really looking at a preferred scenario is that appropriate based on the surrounding land uses and so forth, general health safety and welfare and all this factors and are you satisfied with the zoning classifications that would be allowed within that and what's allowed within those zoning classifications, one of which is a data center.

4111
05:28:41,600 --> 05:28:49,020
So, you know, you can link them all together, but just again, separating the map of amendment from the zoning.

4112
05:28:49,800 --> 05:28:50,760
Yeah, I appreciate that, yes.

4113
05:28:50,940 --> 05:28:53,020
Can I ask a question, Ms. Mix?

4114
05:28:53,260 --> 05:28:59,140
One, it's no secret that one of the struggles I've been having with this, as I've said, and it's been

4115
05:29:00,560 --> 05:29:07,840
researched in the back-to-me that's even, that we're only here tonight in my mind to do the zoning to look at its own and change.

4116
05:29:07,840 --> 05:29:11,640
But we still know that there's a data center proposed there.

4117
05:29:11,840 --> 05:29:13,940
So we came, we came, we raised that.

4118
05:29:15,120 --> 05:29:17,160
So that's one of the things I've been struggling with,

4119
05:29:17,300 --> 05:29:19,020
but to your question,

4120
05:29:21,380 --> 05:29:24,780
maybe I'm leaning towards maybe we should postpone

4121
05:29:24,780 --> 05:29:29,920
it a little bit, because we know that there's some possible change coming down from city hall.

4122
05:29:29,940 --> 05:29:32,220
I'm a city hall, I'm a city council.

4123
05:29:32,220 --> 05:29:43,180
So, you know, and we're not, I don't know if we're talking weeks, months or years, but we know, we know that's coming, and I think we need to take a look at that.

4124
05:29:43,760 --> 05:29:44,620
But, there's a reason.

4125
05:29:45,840 --> 05:29:46,360
Okay,

4126
05:29:49,880 --> 05:29:50,700
it's fair.

4127
05:29:51,920 --> 05:29:54,060
Like, these people have been coming for two months.

4128
05:29:54,860 --> 05:29:56,320
We've all been dealing with this.

4129
05:29:56,740 --> 05:29:59,980
We need to...

4130
05:30:00,050 --> 05:30:26,230
Do what we were appointed to do. And that is to make a decision on what's before us. What's before us really isn't going to matter what council does after that. It happens all the time. I see them do something and then later on something else has changed. Maybe they have to come back into conform to that. I don't know, or maybe it wouldn't apply to them at all.

4131
05:30:26,230 --> 05:30:39,290
how watched that meeting and it was never said, we're going to stop this until there's another category, none of that was ever said.

4132
05:30:40,010 --> 05:30:53,250
All I remember is the major term to staff and said, I think it would be beneficial if maybe we created some type of something for data center or something to that effect.

4133
05:30:53,250 --> 05:30:56,350
in my wrong or how was it stated?

4134
05:30:57,010 --> 05:30:58,510
What, what, what, just that?

4135
05:30:59,970 --> 05:31:01,050
I was not at that meeting.

4136
05:31:01,110 --> 05:31:02,830
And we told not to move forward.

4137
05:31:03,390 --> 05:31:06,410
Like, why would we hear it that was said not to move forward?

4138
05:31:06,930 --> 05:31:08,530
Why are we then having this?

4139
05:31:08,790 --> 05:31:12,530
Why was this not postponed if we weren't,

4140
05:31:13,690 --> 05:31:16,370
if Council did need for us to go forward with this?

4141
05:31:17,250 --> 05:31:21,130
And again, I don't have that photographic memory

4142
05:31:21,130 --> 05:31:29,450
that those meetings if there's more than one, but there was not a moratorium on applications.

4143
05:31:30,770 --> 05:31:37,170
So the bottom line is on their direction as whatever zoning categories are in place and

4144
05:31:37,170 --> 05:31:46,150
allowable within the current preferred scenario map, there was no more moratorium on moving

4145
05:31:46,150 --> 05:31:48,170
they're allowed to apply for it.

4146
05:31:49,170 --> 05:31:53,810
Now, could individual commissioners looking at concerns they have with the current zoning

4147
05:31:53,810 --> 05:31:58,810
and whether it's appropriate under this preferred scenario, then that can be a factor

4148
05:31:58,810 --> 05:32:03,650
considering all the criteria in the code for preferred scenario amendments

4149
05:32:04,110 --> 05:32:06,870
to for their vote to be an upper down vote, right?

4150
05:32:07,030 --> 05:32:09,110
So that's another way of looking at it.

4151
05:32:09,210 --> 05:32:14,130
You know, you have concerns, you think it's something's not suitable with the current

4152
05:32:14,130 --> 05:32:21,090
zoning based on the Ferds scenario and the comprehensive plan, you know those are all factors

4153
05:32:21,090 --> 05:32:28,940
you can look at I think one of the criteria is that's a consistency with the comprehensive plan and so forth.

4154
05:32:29,660 --> 05:32:34,980
So you know all those factors you can look at based on the criteria and just decide on your vote whether

4155
05:32:36,040 --> 05:32:40,360
you know reasonable minds can view those criteria in different ways.

4156
05:32:40,360 --> 05:32:51,400
But the bigger issue here is we are recommending body. I appreciate every woman that has come here today to voice their opinion

4157
05:32:51,940 --> 05:33:02,080
But a lot of things that are directed at us need to be directed at council because they are the elected ones that are ultimately going to make this decision

4158
05:33:02,080 --> 05:33:03,980
We are recommending body

4159
05:33:03,980 --> 05:33:06,360
So when we vote here tonight

4160
05:33:06,360 --> 05:33:09,380
I hate even calling it a vote because it's a recommendation.

4161
05:33:10,400 --> 05:33:15,640
So when we vote here tonight, it has to go to Council for approval.

4162
05:33:16,100 --> 05:33:18,620
And a lot of the things that we're discussing here,

4163
05:33:18,800 --> 05:33:20,700
I don't even really think,

4164
05:33:20,880 --> 05:33:23,960
some say it's appropriate, I'm not so sure,

4165
05:33:24,480 --> 05:33:29,740
because what we're looking at is the preferred scenario and a zoning change.

4166
05:33:30,340 --> 05:33:34,500
All the other things, you know, the restricted governance,

4167
05:33:34,500 --> 05:33:41,120
all of that. We don't govern that. We really have no sight. I enjoyed reading it. I was

4168
05:33:41,120 --> 05:33:46,420
appreciative that it was in there just to have more information. But at the end of the day we

4169
05:33:46,420 --> 05:33:54,420
don't vote on that. So I don't see a reason for postponing this and continuing going back and forth.

4170
05:33:54,740 --> 05:34:04,480
We did do all this. In my opinion from where I stand, we need to recommend whatever we're going to

4171
05:34:04,480 --> 05:34:06,600
with the real issue.

4172
05:34:06,740 --> 05:34:07,920
They're the elected body.

4173
05:34:08,200 --> 05:34:10,120
And they're the ones that have the final set.

4174
05:34:10,620 --> 05:34:14,140
So I think that I don't see a reason not to move forward.

4175
05:34:14,320 --> 05:34:15,560
That's just my opinion.

4176
05:34:16,080 --> 05:34:17,580
Commissioner Dan, I missed you.

4177
05:34:18,180 --> 05:34:18,440
OK.

4178
05:34:19,680 --> 05:34:20,320
Commissioner Means?

4179
05:34:20,420 --> 05:34:20,760
Yes.

4180
05:34:20,900 --> 05:34:23,420
I just want to respond, because I do appreciate

4181
05:34:23,420 --> 05:34:24,800
what you're saying, Commissioner Burlison.

4182
05:34:25,960 --> 05:34:28,240
I suppose that I disagree with you a little bit

4183
05:34:28,240 --> 05:34:32,680
in that I do feel like our input, our deep dive,

4184
05:34:32,680 --> 05:34:36,380
is what City Council appointed us to do.

4185
05:34:36,760 --> 05:34:39,480
They deal with so many things, a myriad of things,

4186
05:34:40,320 --> 05:34:43,740
and ours is zoning, use of the land.

4187
05:34:44,180 --> 05:34:48,480
That is our, that is our lane, and so we should go deep.

4188
05:34:48,720 --> 05:34:50,240
I think we have to go deep.

4189
05:34:50,460 --> 05:34:52,900
We have to look at all the complexities that are involved

4190
05:34:52,900 --> 05:34:54,380
in every decision we make.

4191
05:34:54,880 --> 05:34:57,480
So I don't take our recommendation,

4192
05:34:57,480 --> 05:34:59,960
and finally, I think City Council...

4193
05:35:00,000 --> 05:35:22,860
The way the city has been created, our city charter, the city council really does seriously consider our recommendation. So for those reasons, all those reasons, I think we really do have to seriously consider everything. So to me, it's not just like, okay, we can say up or down and it won't really matter because in city council will do the heavy lifting.

4194
05:35:22,860 --> 05:35:28,340
that I think what I'm saying. Okay. Not at all what I'm saying. What we do here is very important.

4195
05:35:28,520 --> 05:35:36,140
It impacts a lot of people. The people that are here, we add a lot of other letters as well,

4196
05:35:36,440 --> 05:35:42,580
and a lot of phone calls from people that are also in favor. So when I'm here and I'm looking at this,

4197
05:35:42,600 --> 05:35:50,080
I'm listening to everybody's side of this. And I'm trying to make an informed decision based upon

4198
05:35:50,080 --> 05:35:51,520
what's in front of me.

4199
05:35:51,780 --> 05:35:55,400
All I'm saying is, when staff has something,

4200
05:35:55,580 --> 05:35:57,200
they have to bring it to us,

4201
05:35:57,760 --> 05:36:00,420
I just don't personally see the reason

4202
05:36:00,420 --> 05:36:04,000
to keep postponing things and putting these things off.

4203
05:36:04,560 --> 05:36:06,800
I just don't think it's gonna make a difference,

4204
05:36:07,180 --> 05:36:09,180
whether there's a category or not,

4205
05:36:09,480 --> 05:36:12,540
is what I'm saying, I just think for future use,

4206
05:36:13,840 --> 05:36:15,680
I think that would be a great idea,

4207
05:36:16,280 --> 05:36:18,520
and it probably should have already happened,

4208
05:36:18,520 --> 05:36:27,200
but these things came about, it's been what more than a year now, who knows it could take another year.

4209
05:36:27,720 --> 05:36:36,520
I just think that it's not fair to be applicant, it's not fair to staff, and it's really not fair to us because we've all been going through this.

4210
05:36:36,920 --> 05:36:42,920
We've all been reading, studying, doing research, listening to all the phone calls, everyone calling.

4211
05:36:42,920 --> 05:36:53,260
I just think that in my opinion, that's all I'm saying, in my opinion, we should just follow through on what's in front of us, that's just my opinion.

4212
05:36:55,940 --> 05:36:56,420
I

4213
05:36:59,750 --> 05:37:05,970
should probably, this isn't really what I was going to say, but I just, if we get a new

4214
05:37:05,970 --> 05:37:12,310
category, it's called data center, or a new zone even in the data center, and if some of

4215
05:37:12,310 --> 05:37:18,950
us up here say, oh, that's okay, we could now approve it because we have a category that

4216
05:37:18,950 --> 05:37:24,110
says data center, and we go to approve, I don't think these people out here are going to

4217
05:37:24,110 --> 05:37:28,930
to impress. I don't think they're going to disperse or snap their fingers in approval.

4218
05:37:29,570 --> 05:37:35,930
They don't care. I mean, they just truly don't care. I don't care personally. I could care less

4219
05:37:35,930 --> 05:37:41,210
whether we have a data center category or not, because I just don't think it makes any difference in this case.

4220
05:37:41,590 --> 05:37:46,570
That's just me. But anyway, I had something else I wanted to say, and I had to be proud to get off in that anyway.

4221
05:37:47,390 --> 05:37:49,950
And having maybe had the last word, I guess, a bit of a little selfish.

4222
05:37:49,950 --> 05:37:58,410
But, and this is very boring compared to what we've been talking about, but, well, go back to what

4223
05:37:58,410 --> 05:38:03,070
say I'm going to say a minute ago, I don't stay up as told us occasionally in the past

4224
05:38:04,470 --> 05:38:13,510
that the preferred scenario is not zoning and that's true, but in a way a preferred scenario

4225
05:38:13,510 --> 05:38:20,570
amendment is zoning, because in every case I've ever seen, the only reason a preferred

4226
05:38:20,570 --> 05:38:25,570
scenario amendment is requested is so a specific zoning can be requested.

4227
05:38:27,070 --> 05:38:33,310
So an amendment in a way, we really are, ultimately, considering zoning here, because, and

4228
05:38:33,310 --> 05:38:38,630
this is a dilemma to make personally, because if all we were looking at was a preferred scenario

4229
05:38:38,630 --> 05:38:43,630
amendment. And in this case, you know, two commercial employment

4230
05:38:43,630 --> 05:38:48,930
love for this location. I would probably be okay with that. I

4231
05:38:48,930 --> 05:38:52,770
think it fits okay. It's next to, it's next to the power

4232
05:38:53,330 --> 05:38:56,850
player, you know, right around the corner down old bass drop

4233
05:38:56,850 --> 05:39:00,350
highway is, is a lot of other stuff that you, it's probably, it's not

4234
05:39:00,350 --> 05:39:03,970
zone to the ETA, but if it were, it would probably be lighting

4235
05:39:04,810 --> 05:39:11,930
So just in itself I think the preferred amendments in area would be fine, but and I'm jumping ahead of myself

4236
05:39:11,930 --> 05:39:18,710
I'm having a hard time knowing what we should talk about here and what we should wait to talk about what we get to the zoning portion

4237
05:39:20,230 --> 05:39:28,570
But I am nowhere near as comfortable with the zoning that would result if we approve this preferred scenario

4238
05:39:28,570 --> 05:39:37,950
So you just can't ignore that, I mean, but if all we're dealing with is a preferred scenario, I'd be fine, but that's really not all we're dealing with.

4239
05:39:38,250 --> 05:39:39,670
We're dealing with the ultimate zoning.

4240
05:39:40,390 --> 05:39:46,090
One thing that I didn't want to point out, I don't know what this is worth, but it makes a difference to me when I look at this.

4241
05:39:46,690 --> 05:39:54,730
Because I'm looking here at the conversal employment loan page in the first area with staff gave a copy of.

4242
05:39:55,370 --> 05:39:59,970
And it says, well first, you know, the middle word.

4243
05:40:00,000 --> 05:40:29,160
And that is employment. You know, so those of us like myself who worry a lot about jobs. I don't think we're totally off base. I mean, employment is part of this category. And if you look further on down this, it says, the typical employment density of these areas is eight to 15 jobs per acre. Well, this is 200 acres. So that means that typically we should be expecting 1600 to 3000 jobs.

4244
05:40:30,000 --> 05:40:33,140
And that's not what anybody is just saying is going to happen.

4245
05:40:33,280 --> 05:40:36,260
I would say a hundred or less is probably what we're hearing.

4246
05:40:36,860 --> 05:40:42,240
So if you just look at that factor, that's a big discrepancy

4247
05:40:42,240 --> 05:40:45,380
from what commercial employment load count of place.

4248
05:40:46,120 --> 05:40:50,360
And that's something that has made a big impact on my thinking,

4249
05:40:50,640 --> 05:40:51,940
and then for what it's worth.

4250
05:40:55,720 --> 05:40:56,800
Yes, they're Commissioner Spell.

4251
05:40:58,300 --> 05:41:00,440
I have to disagree a bit with Commissioner Agnew.

4252
05:41:00,440 --> 05:41:06,060
I think there's a reason that these are agenizes two different items and they're legally two different processes

4253
05:41:06,660 --> 05:41:16,000
The commission has the ability and I'm not advocating for against this to recommend approval on the PSA amendment and the Nile of the zoning

4254
05:41:16,000 --> 05:41:23,380
What can't do the other way around, but it doesn't have to there's no condition of the commission has to vote the same way on both items or commission

4255
05:41:23,380 --> 05:41:30,780
We have to consider this a little bit, you know, considering the possibilities that could

4256
05:41:30,780 --> 05:41:39,260
be approved in the PSA, and then in more detail with the zoning, if and when we get to

4257
05:41:39,260 --> 05:41:43,200
that point with that's appropriate, I do want to highlight something that is relevant here

4258
05:41:43,200 --> 05:41:51,240
and that I think makes this property specifically and uniquely viable for something beyond conservation

4259
05:41:51,240 --> 05:41:58,020
cluster, and that is there are heavy duty high voltage power lines that run for the middle

4260
05:41:58,020 --> 05:42:05,840
of the property. And this came up when three years ago when Mr. Mayberry was applying for CD-5,

4261
05:42:05,920 --> 05:42:14,620
CD-2.5, the concern that's not really appropriate for you having high density electric

4262
05:42:14,620 --> 05:42:17,740
clients running right for the middle of your residential development, and the applicant at the time

4263
05:42:18,320 --> 05:42:21,940
that that that that was still viable and apparently is moved forward and still believed it's

4264
05:42:21,940 --> 05:42:27,600
viable. But those lines are preexisting to the property. They run through the property. And my

4265
05:42:27,600 --> 05:42:32,780
understanding is that part of the reason why a data center is being reposed in this area and again

4266
05:42:32,780 --> 05:42:38,820
the cloud the cloud versus facility down the road, which is not to say it limits, is because of the

4267
05:42:38,820 --> 05:42:44,180
existence of those heavy duty power lines. And so that is a unique feature of this property

4268
05:42:44,180 --> 05:42:50,800
particular, that I think does sense a lean toward the PSM and at least to be considered.

4269
05:42:59,610 --> 05:43:06,030
Commissioner Agnew, to your question that you just proposed regarding the commercial

4270
05:43:06,030 --> 05:43:11,470
employment load, the numbers that you came up with with your amazing map, can you tell me

4271
05:43:11,470 --> 05:43:12,230
any book that down?

4272
05:43:12,390 --> 05:43:13,750
Because I have a question regarding that number.

4273
05:43:13,870 --> 05:43:15,130
I'm sure I didn't hear the numbers.

4274
05:43:15,570 --> 05:43:17,570
You came up with like 12 to 15?

4275
05:43:17,910 --> 05:43:18,730
What was it?

4276
05:43:18,730 --> 05:43:31,390
According to the previous scenario, the description of personal employment law, it says the typical employment density is 8 to 15 jobs per acre, and this is 200 acres.

4277
05:43:32,450 --> 05:43:39,470
So if you just do this simple math, 8 times 200 to 1600 jobs, 15 times 200 to 3000 jobs.

4278
05:43:40,090 --> 05:43:44,770
So you would normally expect that there would be employment sort of within that range.

4279
05:43:44,770 --> 05:43:48,630
If that does that point to me?

4280
05:43:48,830 --> 05:43:50,490
My question, and maybe Mr. Mayberry,

4281
05:43:50,690 --> 05:43:51,750
I can clarify this.

4282
05:43:51,930 --> 05:43:56,370
They got up and said that this was going to potentially have

4283
05:43:56,370 --> 05:43:59,970
1200 skill jobs over the construction.

4284
05:44:00,570 --> 05:44:00,750
Yeah.

4285
05:44:01,010 --> 05:44:02,150
I'm not talking about construction.

4286
05:44:02,890 --> 05:44:03,130
I'm not talking about construction.

4287
05:44:03,130 --> 05:44:04,350
Are you just talking about infrastructure?

4288
05:44:04,770 --> 05:44:04,850
I'm not talking about infrastructure.

4289
05:44:05,390 --> 05:44:05,550
Okay.

4290
05:44:06,090 --> 05:44:07,670
It's not a long term situation.

4291
05:44:08,010 --> 05:44:08,110
Okay.

4292
05:44:08,210 --> 05:44:12,090
I'm talking about just permanent ongoing jobs as a data center.

4293
05:44:12,290 --> 05:44:12,530
Okay.

4294
05:44:12,710 --> 05:44:13,210
That was, yeah.

4295
05:44:13,810 --> 05:44:14,410
Thank you.

4296
05:44:16,260 --> 05:44:24,840
You know, as sites and sounds, we have to have one cup for every 500 people, it's a nice little formula, we just threw out there, just throw it out there.

4297
05:44:25,260 --> 05:44:30,300
I will say that I do think that the preferred scenario does is consistent with the complaint criteria.

4298
05:44:31,100 --> 05:44:33,820
For that reason, it's why I'm supporting motion to approve this one.

4299
05:44:33,820 --> 05:44:36,260
I do think there's some very valid points, especially talking about the zoning.

4300
05:44:37,040 --> 05:44:39,960
That may go into the next item that we're going to discuss.

4301
05:44:39,960 --> 05:44:47,800
But really, at the day I think it's another thing where we need to kick these to the people where these real decisions can be, the adjustments can be made appropriately.

4302
05:44:49,280 --> 05:44:52,780
We can keep postpone all we want, we can kick the can down the road, all we want.

4303
05:44:53,340 --> 05:44:54,720
We can recommend all we want.

4304
05:44:55,500 --> 05:44:59,780
But at the end of the day, this in my mind is consistent with the complaint.

4305
05:45:06,300 --> 05:45:15,440
I'd appreciate this discussion so much. When we're talking about changing the PSA, remember this, what

4306
05:45:15,440 --> 05:45:21,960
they're proposing, asking us to change. The conservation cluster, place type, is for areas, this

4307
05:45:21,960 --> 05:45:29,980
I'm just quoting, for areas where development would be discouraged over the life of the

4308
05:45:29,980 --> 05:45:33,160
is supposed to last for 20 to 30 years.

4309
05:45:33,700 --> 05:45:35,900
This is two years out, all right?

4310
05:45:36,100 --> 05:45:37,600
That's then the number one.

4311
05:45:38,000 --> 05:45:41,860
Remember, this place type was established

4312
05:45:41,860 --> 05:45:44,800
after the city received significant community

4313
05:45:44,800 --> 05:45:46,560
and stakeholder input.

4314
05:45:47,080 --> 05:45:49,300
This place type was, this conservation cluster,

4315
05:45:49,820 --> 05:45:52,700
they created it because the citizen said they wanted it.

4316
05:45:52,940 --> 05:45:55,700
It was developed as a concept where, quote,

4317
05:45:55,700 --> 05:46:04,700
The development may still occur within areas that are currently open space, farmland, or otherwise undeveloped,

4318
05:46:05,680 --> 05:46:13,180
but would ensure San Marcus retains many of these assets and maintain a high environmental quality.

4319
05:46:13,800 --> 05:46:15,280
And so that is my concern.

4320
05:46:15,820 --> 05:46:19,900
We have a lot of questions about the environmental impact.

4321
05:46:19,940 --> 05:46:23,140
And I know you guys are doing all you can, and I applaud that.

4322
05:46:23,140 --> 05:46:29,480
I just feel like we are too new to the game with data centers.

4323
05:46:29,960 --> 05:46:36,560
I feel like there is such a national pushback of cities that have approved them and now they're

4324
05:46:36,560 --> 05:46:39,860
saying, we wish we never had, we have all these problems.

4325
05:46:40,780 --> 05:46:47,680
I see those cities that are giving the pushback that are already in the fight, in the water

4326
05:46:47,680 --> 05:46:48,340
with them.

4327
05:46:48,600 --> 05:46:51,340
I feel like they are the canaries and the coal mine.

4328
05:46:51,340 --> 05:47:05,340
And I'm wondering why we're ignoring all the dead canaries, you know, so to me, it's just a little bit, it's just a little bit,

4329
05:47:07,240 --> 05:47:11,440
brash or I don't know, it's just a little bit irresponsible. I would feel irresponsible.

4330
05:47:13,040 --> 05:47:19,900
If I didn't mention all of these cautions that I have, if I didn't mention all of the concerns that I have, so that's why I'm mentioning them.

4331
05:47:22,020 --> 05:47:26,600
I guess just to show I guess what reasonable minds can differ or whatever.

4332
05:47:27,520 --> 05:47:33,460
My concern about this is that I know you've mentioned that you feel like this is consistent

4333
05:47:33,460 --> 05:47:39,820
with a comprehensive plan and my concern is that I don't and the reason I don't I mean

4334
05:47:39,820 --> 05:47:45,100
that the place types are part of the preferred scenario and they're probably what most important

4335
05:47:45,100 --> 05:47:52,040
parts of the preferred scenario. And commercial employment, low, is a place tight. And if

4336
05:47:52,040 --> 05:47:57,240
you read the description, it's clearly intended to be an area that's going to provide employment.

4337
05:47:58,620 --> 05:48:05,840
And the fact that it's not going to do that is what makes me concern, makes me question whether

4338
05:48:05,840 --> 05:48:11,820
this is consistent with a comprehensive plan. Just, you know where I'm coming from.

4339
05:48:11,820 --> 05:48:17,180
Because for providing clarification on that, why we came up with employment law when it does

4340
05:48:17,180 --> 05:48:19,720
have the specifications and they're for all the jobs.

4341
05:48:19,800 --> 05:48:20,440
The jobs?

4342
05:48:22,560 --> 05:48:22,880
I don't know.

4343
05:48:23,020 --> 05:48:23,960
I think I'll defer to you.

4344
05:48:24,140 --> 05:48:24,780
That's okay.

4345
05:48:28,750 --> 05:48:32,330
So why there's the ratio of nine to 15 jobs?

4346
05:48:34,110 --> 05:48:38,850
I'd have to go back and work through some of that discussion with the comprehensive plan

4347
05:48:38,850 --> 05:48:44,090
committee, but needing to have a place where we knew that employment would occur.

4348
05:48:44,090 --> 05:48:49,690
And I think the big distinction is between commercial employment, low and commercial employment medium.

4349
05:48:49,930 --> 05:48:52,750
We had a lot of discussion about the differences between those two.

4350
05:48:52,990 --> 05:48:57,690
That commercial employment medium is an area where you're actually going to have a higher density of jobs.

4351
05:48:57,790 --> 05:49:04,590
Commercial employment, low is the location of your lower density of jobs, your industrial uses, and that kind of thing.

4352
05:49:05,430 --> 05:49:10,770
I cannot remember, you know, at this moment some of that kind of data that went into that.

4353
05:49:10,770 --> 05:49:13,090
But it was just through that comprehensive plan process

4354
05:49:13,090 --> 05:49:15,930
and into kind of identify a number that shows

4355
05:49:15,930 --> 05:49:18,610
what types of jobs could be there for different uses.

4356
05:49:19,130 --> 05:49:21,630
But it can't expect all types of uses.

4357
05:49:21,630 --> 05:49:23,050
I suppose at that level.

4358
05:49:23,870 --> 05:49:24,670
Thank you.

4359
05:49:24,790 --> 05:49:25,110
Yes, sir.

4360
05:49:25,330 --> 05:49:26,290
Commissioner Wilson.

4361
05:49:26,510 --> 05:49:27,950
This is for staff.

4362
05:49:28,330 --> 05:49:29,110
I might be wrong.

4363
05:49:29,670 --> 05:49:32,950
Memory, it's like, I might be off on this.

4364
05:49:33,350 --> 05:49:38,630
But did we not just vote where the client is now updated

4365
05:49:38,630 --> 05:49:44,910
it on a more frequent basis because things need to be added like we're rolling things

4366
05:49:44,910 --> 05:49:51,270
or happening so fast, that that was the reason why now I think it's is it every five

4367
05:49:51,270 --> 05:49:56,430
years, seven years, and I think I think it was every five years originally, the amendment

4368
05:49:56,430 --> 05:49:59,790
it was changed up to 10 and then that was voted.

4369
05:50:00,000 --> 05:50:29,840
I believe, so it's still five. Remained in the charter, referring to the charter amendment. So yep, every five years we look at the comprehensive plan holistically, and you know, that can be a great opportunity to get community and council direction on some of those pieces. But at the same time, applicants always do have the ability to apply for a change the preferred scenario map. And that's been the, the same process, you know, even with the 2013 comprehensive plan. There's always an ability for someone to apply.

4370
05:50:30,000 --> 05:50:36,980
to change that designation and you all have seen many of those cases before you.

4371
05:50:37,340 --> 05:50:44,120
I would just like to gently say, I think all of our discussion now is exactly why I feel

4372
05:50:44,120 --> 05:50:50,160
it would feel most comfortable waiting for a new direction from staff about how they want

4373
05:50:50,160 --> 05:50:54,000
to handle data centers. You know, I think that that is-

4374
05:50:55,800 --> 05:51:07,100
Once staff gets it to council, then I think I would feel much more certain in what I was looking at what would be okay, what would not be okay.

4375
05:51:07,520 --> 05:51:10,140
And obviously the questions are the questions of them.

4376
05:51:10,700 --> 05:51:15,140
I feel like council would think very highly of your opinion and notate this.

4377
05:51:15,660 --> 05:51:19,560
And when we send that to them, they can manage this appropriately with the tools that they have.

4378
05:51:20,220 --> 05:51:21,000
They have the tools.

4379
05:51:21,840 --> 05:51:22,680
We do not have the tools.

4380
05:51:25,860 --> 05:51:27,980
And I know this sounds like I'm talking about both

4381
05:51:27,980 --> 05:51:32,120
sets of my mouth tonight, but my concern now was sending it back

4382
05:51:32,120 --> 05:51:36,240
to Council, which I still kind of lean that away.

4383
05:51:37,400 --> 05:51:39,540
But there's no time to remember to come back.

4384
05:51:40,280 --> 05:51:42,340
And in the meantime, you know, again, our applicants,

4385
05:51:42,820 --> 05:51:44,540
waiting on sure they don't mind waiting a little while,

4386
05:51:44,660 --> 05:51:45,980
but we don't have a timeframe.

4387
05:51:46,560 --> 05:51:49,100
And if it takes Council six months to a year,

4388
05:51:49,280 --> 05:51:52,660
and does everything just stop until they come back

4389
05:51:52,660 --> 05:51:56,600
with that category, or how do we proceed, how do we move forward?

4390
05:51:56,800 --> 05:51:57,540
I love saying that.

4391
05:51:57,540 --> 05:51:58,960
I mean, can I try to cancel it?

4392
05:51:59,240 --> 05:52:02,740
And one other thing is, you know, I'm hearing it, I should first of all, there has actually

4393
05:52:02,740 --> 05:52:07,900
hasn't been a motion to postpone, but I don't think we need to get there yet if Council's.

4394
05:52:07,960 --> 05:52:12,360
I mean, if the commissioners are fine having the dialogue, there's not a motion to postpone,

4395
05:52:12,780 --> 05:52:16,800
but the concern I have is even if a new categories come up.

4396
05:52:17,060 --> 05:52:22,160
I'm fairly certain that this application be allowed to proceed under the current zoning categories,

4397
05:52:22,160 --> 05:52:28,300
and typically when we've had code changes any pending or live applications have always been

4398
05:52:28,300 --> 05:52:34,460
allowed to continue through to the end. And so it's kind of, you know, for what that's worth,

4399
05:52:34,740 --> 05:52:38,380
you know, if you postpone it, I'm not sure where it takes you other than leaves the council without

4400
05:52:38,380 --> 05:52:47,720
a recommendation, but it's the point being is the application technically would be allowed to go through

4401
05:52:47,720 --> 05:52:51,820
as submitted, there's not an obligation for them,

4402
05:52:51,860 --> 05:52:53,860
for the applicant to move to the new code.

4403
05:52:55,000 --> 05:52:57,140
Now, could they be persuaded, voluntarily,

4404
05:52:57,280 --> 05:53:00,120
some of the course, you know, through the political process

4405
05:53:00,120 --> 05:53:00,740
and so forth.

4406
05:53:01,420 --> 05:53:05,040
But legally, you know, the application is allowed to continue,

4407
05:53:05,120 --> 05:53:08,660
even if a new code was adopted on that issue.

4408
05:53:09,180 --> 05:53:10,360
That's where the occasion.

4409
05:53:11,960 --> 05:53:17,320
I was going to point out this item, if we don't postpone it,

4410
05:53:17,320 --> 05:53:20,140
The dates of when it would go to Council are set.

4411
05:53:20,540 --> 05:53:22,700
They are posted, they are part of the presentation.

4412
05:53:23,720 --> 05:53:26,840
I don't think it's respectful to the people that came up and spoke tonight.

4413
05:53:27,400 --> 05:53:30,480
If we postpone it, we'd have to have a postmanate to a date uncertain.

4414
05:53:31,180 --> 05:53:32,860
And we'd just be giving the direction to the public.

4415
05:53:33,380 --> 05:53:35,320
Come back at some point in the future, we don't know where.

4416
05:53:35,420 --> 05:53:36,280
Let's do it all again.

4417
05:53:36,820 --> 05:53:39,460
I don't feel comfortable doing that myself.

4418
05:53:39,880 --> 05:53:40,880
That's not fair to the public.

4419
05:53:41,600 --> 05:53:43,900
Honestly, I'm not suggesting we postpone it.

4420
05:53:43,900 --> 05:53:48,500
I'm suggesting we say no to it because we don't have enough information to make an informed decision.

4421
05:53:51,190 --> 05:53:52,050
I have a question.

4422
05:53:52,170 --> 05:53:52,790
Mr. Wilson.

4423
05:53:54,750 --> 05:54:04,350
I thought we've had situations like this come before us in the past to where it might not have been the exact category or

4424
05:54:04,350 --> 05:54:06,570
like the preferred scenario.

4425
05:54:07,310 --> 05:54:13,510
But didn't we proceed with them or what is the, do you know what I'm saying?

4426
05:54:13,510 --> 05:54:23,670
Not quite, I mean, usually, you know, the process is our code allows changes to the

4427
05:54:23,670 --> 05:54:25,390
preferred scenario map.

4428
05:54:27,070 --> 05:54:33,570
There have been times where there was not a suitable category for proposed type of development

4429
05:54:33,570 --> 05:54:40,170
at all, and even among the existing categories, I think there might have been situations

4430
05:54:40,170 --> 05:54:48,730
were none of them just fit to the point where the only solution was we, maybe was taken

4431
05:54:48,730 --> 05:54:53,050
in under your old correct maize, where there may have been a determination that you're

4432
05:54:53,050 --> 05:54:59,770
going to have to actually create a new category for use that was never considered before.

4433
05:55:00,000 --> 05:55:13,480
Now, you know, we'd be going back months because that determination has already been made as to this application that there was a suitable category and so forth, but there has been that situation I believe. So it's a little bit different perhaps.

4434
05:55:13,540 --> 05:55:17,700
But I just thought we had proceeded in the past with ones that were suitable.

4435
05:55:18,480 --> 05:55:23,780
Like it wasn't, like I know we're talking about that as sinners, but like in the past

4436
05:55:23,780 --> 05:55:28,740
I thought there was something that we had that might not have been exactly suitable

4437
05:55:28,740 --> 05:55:32,140
It was in a different category, but we proceeded with it.

4438
05:55:32,300 --> 05:55:35,400
Like we hadn't postponed it to wait for a new kind of report.

4439
05:55:36,900 --> 05:55:40,380
I can't recall, I can't recall a time where that has occurred.

4440
05:55:40,460 --> 05:55:45,020
What you may be saying is like, okay, looking at the reasonable vine serious

4441
05:55:45,020 --> 05:55:52,580
that in a perfect world, you might feel as a commissioner that you're forcing maybe a particular

4442
05:55:52,580 --> 05:55:57,940
type of use within a category that you just don't feel so totally comfortable with, but

4443
05:55:57,940 --> 05:56:04,600
it's what you have available and you know the determination is made. Well we can make it work

4444
05:56:04,600 --> 05:56:11,100
here in our perfect world of different scenarios that we would have on our preferred scenario

4445
05:56:11,100 --> 05:56:16,540
map. We wish we had something like this but we don't. So we're going to fit it into this category

4446
05:56:16,540 --> 05:56:22,420
and that's perfectly permissible. I think we've had those situations where you know if we

4447
05:56:22,420 --> 05:56:27,380
could all have our perfect world scenario but we you know you move forward with what you had

4448
05:56:27,380 --> 05:56:33,780
available to you and of course that's part of the process too with your criteria. The way this

4449
05:56:33,780 --> 05:56:40,440
criteria written is all of you can look at it and almost every criteria can have two different outcomes

4450
05:56:40,440 --> 05:56:48,280
because there's a wide level of discretion in that decision made, unlike a variance, for example,

4451
05:56:48,500 --> 05:56:53,440
which has very strict criteria or plating in the old days when you did planning.

4452
05:56:56,660 --> 05:56:57,820
Thank you.

4453
05:56:58,060 --> 05:56:58,820
Can we check us here?

4454
05:56:59,220 --> 05:57:01,720
Well, it's like opening a...

4455
05:57:01,720 --> 05:57:03,720
Don't open up, can't do it's bugs.

4456
05:57:03,720 --> 05:57:21,100
Now, it's just concerning to me now because if we had the mayor make a comment or suggest putting a setting up a code for at that point in time, why did he still come to us?

4457
05:57:22,440 --> 05:57:25,820
I'm trying to, and I don't, I'm not going to be able to do that.

4458
05:57:25,820 --> 05:57:27,220
I'm going to shout it down a little bit.

4459
05:57:28,220 --> 05:57:30,200
We're also making assumptions here.

4460
05:57:30,820 --> 05:57:31,580
There were a couple things.

4461
05:57:31,840 --> 05:57:33,380
A couple things I think are important.

4462
05:57:33,700 --> 05:57:35,340
You have your criteria before you.

4463
05:57:36,100 --> 05:57:38,200
And don't forget about that when you make your decision.

4464
05:57:38,860 --> 05:57:44,780
The idea is, yes, it was suggested that there would be a code amendment

4465
05:57:44,780 --> 05:57:48,400
because in the perfect world scenario I'm talking about.

4466
05:57:48,400 --> 05:57:53,720
And our perfect world, we can all go back and make everything 20 times better after the fact.

4467
05:57:54,280 --> 05:58:01,860
But right now, we have a scenario that was approved, it's legal, it's a permissible

4468
05:58:01,860 --> 05:58:08,100
for any landowner to apply for these preferred scenario map amendments under the code as

4469
05:58:08,100 --> 05:58:08,680
written.

4470
05:58:09,040 --> 05:58:13,760
And it's there right to have a hearing and have it considered by the Commission for

4471
05:58:13,760 --> 05:58:20,920
recommendation and y'all to look at the criteria whether it's suitable or not, based on all

4472
05:58:20,920 --> 05:58:21,500
those factors.

4473
05:58:22,860 --> 05:58:29,420
And so one of the things is, do you like the types of uses that would be allowed based

4474
05:58:29,420 --> 05:58:31,980
on the zoning that would be allowed within that Ferds scenario?

4475
05:58:32,140 --> 05:58:34,540
Some of you may feel yes, some of you may feel no.

4476
05:58:35,200 --> 05:58:39,690
So that's really how you got to look at it, yes sir.

4477
05:58:42,260 --> 05:58:46,140
The council knows that this site is on our agenda tonight for tonight's meeting or because

4478
05:58:46,140 --> 05:58:53,160
morning's meeting. If they had attended that we had to postpone this item until after a DC

4479
05:58:53,160 --> 05:58:58,530
data set or zoning out zoning category was added, surely they would have sold somebody up here.

4480
05:58:59,800 --> 05:59:04,860
And I never got a phone call. What you're talking about there is some cities will have a

4481
05:59:04,860 --> 05:59:10,840
moratorium on certain types of things moving forward, which is extremely rare because there's all

4482
05:59:10,840 --> 05:59:18,440
of issues with mortuary, but they did not do that here, that's just an issue they want to explore,

4483
05:59:19,760 --> 05:59:24,100
but there's no more touring funding there. If there was some council direction or a more

4484
05:59:24,100 --> 05:59:31,080
touring from council, surely we would have heard about it before now. Well, you wouldn't even be here

4485
05:59:31,080 --> 05:59:37,340
because you wouldn't have, that's correct. Commissioner Van Odeckerky? Yeah, I think we've reached

4486
05:59:37,340 --> 05:59:43,060
the point where it kind of going in circles, regardless of if we vote for against this, it

4487
05:59:43,060 --> 05:59:46,940
goes like Commissioner Spell said it goes to the City Council, they're the ones that make

4488
05:59:46,940 --> 05:59:52,680
decision. We don't make that decision tonight. I'd like to see this move forward.

4489
05:59:53,280 --> 05:59:53,580
Thank you.

4490
05:59:53,900 --> 05:59:59,820
Yeah, I generally agree that we need to move forward and all that, but the one thing that is

4491
06:00:00,000 --> 06:00:09,700
And I think everybody here knows this. How we vote determines what kind of vote council needs. So what we do is significant to that extent.

4492
06:00:09,720 --> 06:00:12,240
I wasn't suggesting that it wasn't, no.

4493
06:00:13,780 --> 06:00:19,320
I don't think any of you are suggesting that at all. I think we're looking at different ways.

4494
06:00:22,060 --> 06:00:22,940
The rate of vote?

4495
06:00:23,040 --> 06:00:23,880
Call the question.

4496
06:00:24,580 --> 06:00:26,100
Could you please remind us of the motion.

4497
06:00:26,700 --> 06:00:28,960
Yeah, the motion is to approve as presented.

4498
06:00:28,960 --> 06:00:40,960
And Mr. Chair, just to remind the code for preferred scenario amendments requires for approval as six votes versus the typical five.

4499
06:00:41,820 --> 06:00:44,660
And that's despite the fact we only have eight here tonight.

4500
06:00:45,500 --> 06:00:47,160
We've done six votes.

4501
06:00:47,860 --> 06:00:56,300
And that's same with the council as similar kind of majority requirement for preferred scenario.

4502
06:00:56,300 --> 06:00:58,920
If it gets to them, I think they have five votes.

4503
06:00:59,060 --> 06:01:00,700
If I'm not mistaken, don't hold me that.

4504
06:01:03,400 --> 06:01:04,200
But you've heard the discussion.

4505
06:01:05,660 --> 06:01:06,320
We'll call it both, please.

4506
06:01:06,980 --> 06:01:07,720
Amy Meeks?

4507
06:01:08,420 --> 06:01:08,740
No.

4508
06:01:09,440 --> 06:01:10,120
Griffin Spell.

4509
06:01:11,640 --> 06:01:11,840
Hi.

4510
06:01:12,900 --> 06:01:13,780
Brian, have you been undercarguing?

4511
06:01:14,600 --> 06:01:14,860
Hi.

4512
06:01:16,060 --> 06:01:16,540
William Agnew?

4513
06:01:16,740 --> 06:01:17,140
No.

4514
06:01:18,020 --> 06:01:18,500
Shobrolson?

4515
06:01:19,360 --> 06:01:19,780
Hi.

4516
06:01:20,740 --> 06:01:21,220
David Cance.

4517
06:01:22,600 --> 06:01:23,220
Ludwig Garcia?

4518
06:01:23,600 --> 06:01:23,960
Hi.

4519
06:01:25,400 --> 06:01:25,880
Right, Dan.

4520
06:01:25,880 --> 06:01:26,720
the

4521
06:01:34,400 --> 06:01:37,780
motion to recommend approval passes, six and two,

4522
06:01:40,540 --> 06:01:42,040
six and two, six and two, yeah, it is late.

4523
06:01:42,320 --> 06:01:50,810
I'm going to bring this to item number, excuse me, but once again, it goes to council. Correct, correct.

4524
06:01:51,230 --> 06:01:51,590
Two here.

4525
06:01:57,700 --> 06:02:02,820
One, I'm looking at my numbers, I don't number five, but six now.

4526
06:02:10,980 --> 06:02:20,060
ZC-2513, Francis Harris Lane, Maverick Data Center, FD-CD-2.5 to L.I., hold the public hearing and consider

4527
06:02:20,060 --> 06:02:26,100
a request by Armbrozen Brown, PLLC on behalf of Highlander SM-1, LLC, and Donald and Germain

4528
06:02:26,100 --> 06:02:32,040
tough for rezoning change from future development FD and character district 2.5, CD-2.5,

4529
06:02:32,340 --> 06:02:36,640
to light industrial L.I. or subject to consent of the owner under the less intense zoning

4530
06:02:36,640 --> 06:02:43,100
just reclassification for approximately 189.49 acres of land, more or less out of the A&N,

4531
06:02:43,120 --> 06:02:47,840
as not a riser survey, abstract number six, generally located on the western side of

4532
06:02:47,840 --> 06:02:51,740
Francis Terrace Lane, south of the intersection between Grant Harris Road and Francis

4533
06:02:51,740 --> 06:02:53,620
Terrace Lane in Hayes County, Texas.

4534
06:02:54,040 --> 06:02:54,120
Pause.

4535
06:02:54,360 --> 06:02:56,120
Can we please have that gentleman removed?

4536
06:02:56,320 --> 06:02:56,760
He's been thriving.

4537
06:02:59,700 --> 06:03:00,220
I see you.

4538
06:03:03,400 --> 06:03:04,100
I see you.

4539
06:03:04,100 --> 06:03:04,120
I see you.

4540
06:03:04,300 --> 06:03:04,840
I see you.

4541
06:03:04,840 --> 06:03:05,060
I see you.

4542
06:03:05,060 --> 06:03:05,500
I see you.

4543
06:03:05,500 --> 06:03:05,500
I

4544
06:03:18,720 --> 06:03:22,120
see

4545
06:03:25,030 --> 06:03:25,090
you.

4546
06:03:27,840 --> 06:03:28,800
Are you done?

4547
06:03:31,080 --> 06:03:31,500
Are you done?

4548
06:03:34,710 --> 06:03:35,430
Are you done?

4549
06:03:36,350 --> 06:03:36,970
Are you done?

4550
06:03:37,770 --> 06:03:38,310
Are you done?

4551
06:03:38,850 --> 06:03:39,390
Are you done?

4552
06:03:40,050 --> 06:03:40,570
Disrupting?

4553
06:03:43,280 --> 06:03:43,800
Are you good?

4554
06:03:44,300 --> 06:03:44,980
Please go ahead.

4555
06:03:45,140 --> 06:03:46,180
Thank you so much.

4556
06:03:47,700 --> 06:03:48,560
We'll open the public hearing.

4557
06:03:49,960 --> 06:03:50,780
Good evening, everyone.

4558
06:03:51,020 --> 06:03:51,420
Julia Clarise.

4559
06:03:51,960 --> 06:03:52,300
Senior planner.

4560
06:03:52,960 --> 06:03:54,780
So this is the next slide, sorry.

4561
06:03:55,300 --> 06:03:58,580
This is the same site boundary that was discussed in the previous presentation.

4562
06:03:59,020 --> 06:04:02,600
It is approximately 200 acres across from the heat of energy power plant and

4563
06:04:02,600 --> 06:04:07,540
located within both the city limits and the ATJ with annexation being considered concurrently

4564
06:04:07,540 --> 06:04:08,520
next slide please.

4565
06:04:09,760 --> 06:04:14,140
The site is currently vacant with surrounding languages of brutal residential agricultural

4566
06:04:14,780 --> 06:04:19,620
asymmetry and the Hase Energy Power Plant the symmetry is not included in this request

4567
06:04:19,620 --> 06:04:20,880
next slide please.

4568
06:04:22,560 --> 06:04:26,700
The majority of the site is currently zoned character districts 2.5 which is a single

4569
06:04:26,700 --> 06:04:32,580
family district allowing up to 60% impervious cover for the 60 acres outside the city limit

4570
06:04:32,580 --> 06:04:38,380
that this is not currently subject to any zoning restrictions, however, they will be zoned future

4571
06:04:38,380 --> 06:04:44,340
development or FD upon ionization, which is intended to be a temporary zoning district with

4572
06:04:44,340 --> 06:04:49,410
30% impervious cover. The applicant is requesting light industrial, which allows for

4573
06:04:50,660 --> 06:04:57,040
light industrial uses, manufacturing and office uses add-op to 80% impervious cover by right. Next

4574
06:04:57,040 --> 06:04:57,520
I'd like, please.

4575
06:05:00,000 --> 06:05:12,020
The request is currently designated conservation cluster on the comprehensive plan, which does not allow light and industrial zoning per table 4.1 on the next slide.

4576
06:05:12,260 --> 06:05:21,980
Next slide please. The associated preferred scenario amendment would need to be approved in order for this zoning change to take effect. Next slide please.

4577
06:05:23,360 --> 06:05:29,120
The requested zoning district allows for general commercial and civic buildings, up to four

4578
06:05:29,120 --> 06:05:34,420
stories tall and 80% in pervious cover, although as discussed previously, there are

4579
06:05:34,420 --> 06:05:39,880
a restrictive covenants that would restrict this to 70%, uses a loud include manufacturing,

4580
06:05:40,600 --> 06:05:45,260
warehouse and distribution, wholesale trade, research and development, and light industrial.

4581
06:05:45,840 --> 06:05:50,240
John Cards are unwaist related services are not permitted by right in this district.

4582
06:05:50,240 --> 06:05:55,960
The applicant is proposing to construct a data center, which is considered to be a light industrial use.

4583
06:05:56,180 --> 06:05:56,600
Next slide.

4584
06:05:59,360 --> 06:06:04,380
There are no known environmental constraints on the property. The site is not located within the

4585
06:06:04,380 --> 06:06:09,340
Edwards Act for Recharge Zone, Contributing Zone or Transitions Zone. It is not located within the floodplain

4586
06:06:09,340 --> 06:06:13,100
floodway or the San Marcus River corridor or protection zone. Next slide, please.

4587
06:06:16,570 --> 06:06:21,010
We have already mentioned the proposed TMP road that will be required along Grant Harris Road.

4588
06:06:21,010 --> 06:06:26,730
However, one thing I did want to point out was block perimeter requirements, so the city requires

4589
06:06:26,730 --> 06:06:32,890
the applicants provide vehicle and pedestrian connectivity as they develop, even when they're

4590
06:06:32,890 --> 06:06:34,570
not proposing to concept their logs.

4591
06:06:35,370 --> 06:06:40,070
The maximum block perimeter in light industrial is 5,000 feet, and one of the things that

4592
06:06:40,070 --> 06:06:44,230
differentiates light and heavy industrial zoning districts is that in heavy industrial you

4593
06:06:44,230 --> 06:06:50,990
can automatically expand the block perimeter in order to accommodate large buildings of

4594
06:06:50,990 --> 06:06:54,790
of Amazon, for example, where as you can't enlighten industrial.

4595
06:06:55,590 --> 06:07:00,290
So if they're wanting to waive the block permits, or they would likely need an alternative

4596
06:07:00,290 --> 06:07:01,470
compliance request.

4597
06:07:02,370 --> 06:07:05,170
Regarding utilities, water would be provided by crystal clear.

4598
06:07:05,710 --> 06:07:10,170
The city would provide wastewater and the site is in the service area of Pernel's electric

4599
06:07:10,170 --> 06:07:11,390
next slide please.

4600
06:07:15,080 --> 06:07:22,440
So staff is recommending partial approval of the CC-20C-C-20513 for all of the requested

4601
06:07:22,440 --> 06:07:28,060
tracked with the exception of a 50-foot buffer along the northwestern property lane of

4602
06:07:28,060 --> 06:07:33,160
Highlander, SM-1 LLC tracks, adjacent the private driveway Grant Harris Road.

4603
06:07:33,780 --> 06:07:34,700
That will be on the next slide.

4604
06:07:35,540 --> 06:07:40,960
This 50-foot buffer is recommended for the less intense zoning district of character district

4605
06:07:40,960 --> 06:07:46,980
1 and is intended to avoid having the site immediately adjacent the existing residences

4606
06:07:46,980 --> 06:07:47,660
in the ETA.

4607
06:07:47,660 --> 06:07:52,940
We have discussed this with the applicant and understand that they are amenable to the request.

4608
06:07:54,900 --> 06:07:57,700
So this is a map of the proposed buffer, as I said.

4609
06:07:57,940 --> 06:08:04,760
So right of way is allowed in CD1 and so the CD1 buffer would either include the 50-foot street required by the TMP

4610
06:08:04,760 --> 06:08:10,830
or if the road were not provided through an amendment to the 3rd floor plan then it would be a 50-foot open space buffer

4611
06:08:10,830 --> 06:08:17,570
in addition to the 20-foot, between 20 and 35-foot transitional protective yard. For context

4612
06:08:17,570 --> 06:08:22,650
society has approximately 3,300 feet of frontage on Francis Harris Lane.

4613
06:08:24,430 --> 06:08:29,690
And that concludes my presentation. I did want to know that this is subject to approval. The

4614
06:08:29,690 --> 06:08:33,230
recommendation for approval is subject to the approval of the associated preferred scenario

4615
06:08:33,230 --> 06:08:37,770
amendment. And that concludes my presentation, and we have the applicant in the room for any

4616
06:08:37,770 --> 06:08:38,430
Questions?

4617
06:08:40,880 --> 06:08:43,200
I'd like to make these speaking favorite information.

4618
06:08:49,270 --> 06:08:49,490
Yes.

4619
06:08:49,790 --> 06:08:54,630
On Michael Wayland, 100 Congress have a new Austin Texas, given the hour, I'm going to keep

4620
06:08:54,630 --> 06:08:56,110
this extremely short.

4621
06:08:56,630 --> 06:08:58,950
I wanted to stay on the record so you heard that we do.

4622
06:08:59,050 --> 06:09:05,410
We are confirming the concurrence with the staff recommendation for the CD1 buffer as they

4623
06:09:05,410 --> 06:09:06,670
displayed at the very end.

4624
06:09:06,810 --> 06:09:07,610
I wanted that to be clear.

4625
06:09:08,090 --> 06:09:11,370
And I want to also confirm that we're prepared to sit down and talk.

4626
06:09:11,370 --> 06:09:14,630
That's why I said in junk to relief is the appropriate measure.

4627
06:09:14,870 --> 06:09:22,330
We're prepared to make sure that the injunctive relief is there exactly as the city attorney believes is sufficient to enforce the restrictive

4628
06:09:22,330 --> 06:09:23,070
covenants.

4629
06:09:23,270 --> 06:09:28,230
As I said at the very beginning, this building is going to be designed to comply with those restrictive covenants.

4630
06:09:28,510 --> 06:09:37,210
You can't risk, as you already heard the city attorney tell you, he hasn't had to execute a injunctive relief because it does shut down a business

4631
06:09:37,210 --> 06:09:42,250
which shut down the data center, which is providing services for hospitals, utilities, and

4632
06:09:42,250 --> 06:09:43,030
many, many others.

4633
06:09:43,590 --> 06:09:46,090
So I just wanted to really point that out.

4634
06:09:46,150 --> 06:09:50,510
You also have a chance during site development, permanent building, permit, process to look

4635
06:09:50,510 --> 06:09:54,870
at those limitations that are in the restrictive covenant and make sure we're compliant.

4636
06:09:58,540 --> 06:09:59,960
Thank you. Mr. Swipe, would you like to speak?

4637
06:10:02,200 --> 06:10:04,200
Okay, I'm just going down my line.

4638
06:10:04,580 --> 06:10:06,180
Mr. Mayberry,

4639
06:10:09,240 --> 06:10:09,860
was it a Zano?

4640
06:10:10,480 --> 06:10:11,540
He's on mine.

4641
06:10:13,870 --> 06:10:14,210
Was it a Zano?

4642
06:10:14,410 --> 06:10:16,690
If you please, I'd state your name and address me a three minutes.

4643
06:10:17,690 --> 06:10:19,250
Well, Zano, 11.25.

4644
06:10:20,350 --> 06:10:22,110
Blue, boulevard, some marcos, Texas.

4645
06:10:23,170 --> 06:10:25,810
I've said everything I needed to say once again,

4646
06:10:26,070 --> 06:10:29,910
I'm just saying that I'm in favor of the data center.

4647
06:10:29,990 --> 06:10:31,750
I think it's going to be a great project.

4648
06:10:31,750 --> 06:10:36,650
and a great tax base for the City of Somarko as well.

4649
06:10:36,970 --> 06:10:40,910
While with the restricted governance that they've prepared

4650
06:10:41,610 --> 06:10:45,590
and the City's restrictions is going to be a great project

4651
06:10:45,590 --> 06:10:48,130
where the City can be able to look at everything

4652
06:10:48,450 --> 06:10:50,890
from building perfect to watershed to environmental.

4653
06:10:52,070 --> 06:10:53,190
That's it, thank you.

4654
06:10:53,930 --> 06:10:54,930
Thanks, sir.

4655
06:10:55,390 --> 06:10:57,150
Mary, a little bit of divine.

4656
06:11:01,820 --> 06:11:02,660
She's coming up.

4657
06:11:02,840 --> 06:11:04,160
And do we have Justice Mika?

4658
06:11:04,160 --> 06:11:04,960
You're

4659
06:11:11,300 --> 06:11:13,080
a little feel divine, two, five, four, five,

4660
06:11:13,300 --> 06:11:15,800
you're a creek road, New Bromphal's Texas Hayes County.

4661
06:11:16,080 --> 06:11:17,880
Feel we've been sold down the river.

4662
06:11:18,280 --> 06:11:21,260
I feel there were some ethical blindness that was applied.

4663
06:11:21,960 --> 06:11:22,580
It is vague.

4664
06:11:22,600 --> 06:11:25,260
I think some things were intentionally left vague,

4665
06:11:25,640 --> 06:11:28,700
which is a distinctive risk for ethical blindness

4666
06:11:28,700 --> 06:11:30,800
and decision making within organizations.

4667
06:11:31,680 --> 06:11:35,420
It was vague as to why Mayberry could come back

4668
06:11:35,420 --> 06:11:36,560
within six months.

4669
06:11:36,580 --> 06:11:39,740
I think it's very much putting the cart before the horse

4670
06:11:39,740 --> 06:11:47,800
to allow this project without really looking at what the data center zoning actually needs to be.

4671
06:11:48,280 --> 06:11:59,040
And I think none of you really, none of you who voted yes actually really are invested in the health of those who live in the community and all of the pollution and noise pollution that's going to be spread out.

4672
06:11:59,420 --> 06:12:02,900
Who can we sue when we start to be impacted by this?

4673
06:12:02,900 --> 06:12:08,320
How can we go up the chain of command to find out why this came back within six months?

4674
06:12:08,560 --> 06:12:15,200
Truly disappointed in the direction that those aspects of the decision went and I think it's shameful.

4675
06:12:15,880 --> 06:12:18,040
So I'm sorry for the people who voted yes.

4676
06:12:18,240 --> 06:12:22,060
It's very discouraging and the background behind it is disgusting.

4677
06:12:22,340 --> 06:12:23,320
Thank you.

4678
06:12:23,580 --> 06:12:23,900
Thank you.

4679
06:12:28,340 --> 06:12:30,020
Justice Mika,

4680
06:12:32,540 --> 06:12:36,560
Charles Secting, Russell Carecelli,

4681
06:12:38,960 --> 06:12:39,520
Matt Gonzalez,

4682
06:12:42,150 --> 06:12:42,750
Frank Seamer,

4683
06:12:45,230 --> 06:12:47,050
Jerry Marguerita.

4684
06:12:54,080 --> 06:12:54,660
Yes, sir.

4685
06:12:55,080 --> 06:12:55,500
Good evening.

4686
06:12:55,600 --> 06:12:58,800
Commissioner's Matthew Gonzalez, 1791, 7 Massive Flower Band,

4687
06:12:59,880 --> 06:13:05,500
I stated before I urge you to support passing agenda item number five.

4688
06:13:05,960 --> 06:13:09,680
I yield back the rest of my time as a courtesy to the chair in this body.

4689
06:13:09,680 --> 06:13:18,300
As a courtesy notice, Mr. Frank Zimmer, Jerry Marjoto, Frank Zimmer, and James Presley all left for work obligations in the morning.

4690
06:13:19,960 --> 06:13:20,220
Thank you, sir.

4691
06:13:22,600 --> 06:13:23,620
The George Mendoza.

4692
06:13:25,040 --> 06:13:25,960
Ronan Conro.

4693
06:13:27,360 --> 06:13:28,220
Just two as well.

4694
06:13:31,240 --> 06:13:32,200
Eduardo Liva.

4695
06:13:33,400 --> 06:13:34,160
Just that thing.

4696
06:13:34,480 --> 06:13:34,860
I'll stay here.

4697
06:13:34,900 --> 06:13:35,760
It's your good.

4698
06:13:36,000 --> 06:13:37,480
No one shows up at the time.

4699
06:13:37,480 --> 06:13:39,520
Shannon Brown,

4700
06:13:41,580 --> 06:13:42,300
Abigail Lindsay,

4701
06:13:44,880 --> 06:13:51,600
MMO Good, Manuel Godoy, Jen Corboy, Bobby Levinsky,

4702
06:14:03,100 --> 06:14:05,380
Bobby Levinsky to work in Camerole, Samarko's Texas.

4703
06:14:05,720 --> 06:14:07,680
I've heard the six months waiting period addressed.

4704
06:14:07,700 --> 06:14:10,560
I've not heard the one year waiting period addressed.

4705
06:14:11,320 --> 06:14:13,440
Again, I'm going to read the code to you.

4706
06:14:14,760 --> 06:14:20,820
So the Samarko's development code also includes a express waiting period of one year for amendments to the zoning code to zoning.

4707
06:14:20,820 --> 06:14:23,380
with one of the following occurs.

4708
06:14:24,000 --> 06:14:27,880
City Council vote to deny the same request to change

4709
06:14:27,880 --> 06:14:31,700
for all our portion of the parcel or withdraw

4710
06:14:31,700 --> 06:14:34,580
of the same request to change by the applicant

4711
06:14:34,580 --> 06:14:38,240
after the city council meeting at which

4712
06:14:38,240 --> 06:14:42,540
the change to be considered has been called to order.

4713
06:14:43,460 --> 06:14:45,820
That meeting was called to order.

4714
06:14:46,400 --> 06:14:49,500
It is not proper for the planning commission to address

4715
06:14:49,500 --> 06:14:56,380
the zoning change tonight without a waiver of the city code as provided in the code.

4716
06:14:57,420 --> 06:14:59,980
That application was withdrawn and resimitted.

4717
06:15:00,000 --> 06:15:29,200
And that's why it's before you tonight. If you do not want to vote on the zoning change, there is grounds for a rejecting to it, a grids grounds for denial that it's not compliant with this code. It was a withdrawal of the zoning change and it's been resimitted within less than one year. It is not compliant with your code. Please do not vote for the zoning change. And also it is not single family versus data center.

4718
06:15:29,200 --> 06:15:38,400
There are so many more zoning categories that be more compatible that could provide a transition and there are people that live in that area

4719
06:15:38,400 --> 06:15:45,140
It is not just a power plant. There's people that live there and their livelihoods depend on you making a decision tonight

4720
06:15:45,140 --> 06:15:47,260
Please vote against this zoning change

4721
06:15:49,400 --> 06:15:50,660
Thank you for the Thanksgiving

4722
06:15:52,520 --> 06:15:54,660
Kara Rosario

4723
06:15:57,660 --> 06:15:58,920
Mike Camelander

4724
06:16:00,200 --> 06:16:01,520
Jeremy Hendrix

4725
06:16:03,440 --> 06:16:04,620
Carl

4726
06:16:07,010 --> 06:16:08,270
Then the count?

4727
06:16:11,800 --> 06:16:12,340
Fetton Court.

4728
06:16:12,640 --> 06:16:13,800
Tell, man, thank you.

4729
06:16:14,140 --> 06:16:14,320
Fetton Court.

4730
06:16:14,680 --> 06:16:16,760
The one last thing that I didn't have time,

4731
06:16:17,120 --> 06:16:20,400
first time around, was one of the other speakers

4732
06:16:20,400 --> 06:16:21,980
who talked about some of the issues

4733
06:16:21,980 --> 06:16:23,140
that the water utility had.

4734
06:16:23,740 --> 06:16:25,600
And what I wanted to, I had to point out,

4735
06:16:26,180 --> 06:16:29,180
was their five-year average of leakage in their system

4736
06:16:29,180 --> 06:16:31,000
is 25%.

4737
06:16:31,000 --> 06:16:34,560
So pretty much any of the water numbers we were seeing

4738
06:16:34,560 --> 06:16:36,800
should also just keep that in mind

4739
06:16:36,800 --> 06:16:43,640
that there's going to end up being at the staff's low end over the course of year to be

4740
06:16:43,640 --> 06:16:53,220
182,500 gallons of wastewater and on their high end of 30,000 per day it would be 273,750 gallons

4741
06:16:53,220 --> 06:16:56,520
wasted every year, just want to leave you from the word utility.

4742
06:16:56,520 --> 06:16:58,460
Thank you, Mr. Benton Court.

4743
06:17:00,550 --> 06:17:06,670
Tyler Earl, Peter Bane, Elizabeth Emerson,

4744
06:17:09,410 --> 06:17:11,110
Daniela Bellini,

4745
06:17:13,230 --> 06:17:17,050
Zachary Tindall, and Dawn Ewalt.

4746
06:17:24,680 --> 06:17:29,320
My name is Zachary Tindall, 614, Martin Luther King Drive. I want to talk to you about your role

4747
06:17:29,320 --> 06:17:32,860
in this community as members of the Planning and Zoning Commission. I'm hearing some of you

4748
06:17:32,860 --> 06:17:38,820
You should be ignoring some of the deeper implications of your decisions, and even that you should not be swayed by the concerns of the community.

4749
06:17:39,220 --> 06:17:40,780
I believe this is a misguided view.

4750
06:17:41,280 --> 06:17:47,240
It is my understanding that the principal requirement for appointment to P&Z is to have resided in St. Marcus for at least five years.

4751
06:17:47,540 --> 06:17:55,940
You are not required to have any expertise in city planning, geography, political science, economics, or any other field that might seem relevant to the decisions this body is faced with.

4752
06:17:55,940 --> 06:17:58,960
In fact, you all come from a variety of backgrounds

4753
06:17:58,960 --> 06:18:00,940
in each contribute your own unique perspective,

4754
06:18:01,440 --> 06:18:03,100
lived experience, and personal insight

4755
06:18:03,100 --> 06:18:04,440
to these deliberations.

4756
06:18:05,000 --> 06:18:06,340
Some of you have ties to Sam Marcus

4757
06:18:06,340 --> 06:18:07,760
to the Go Back Generations.

4758
06:18:08,640 --> 06:18:10,180
While others are relative newcomers,

4759
06:18:10,680 --> 06:18:12,600
but all of you, like most of the people

4760
06:18:12,600 --> 06:18:14,780
who came out here tonight, call Sam Marcus Home,

4761
06:18:15,340 --> 06:18:17,240
that is what makes you qualified

4762
06:18:17,240 --> 06:18:19,760
to make the kinds of decisions you are faced with today.

4763
06:18:20,380 --> 06:18:22,020
You have not been given this responsibility

4764
06:18:22,020 --> 06:18:23,380
because you have a special ability

4765
06:18:23,380 --> 06:18:25,440
to make a detached, calculated decision.

4766
06:18:26,240 --> 06:18:27,400
There are better ways to do that.

4767
06:18:27,580 --> 06:18:29,840
A computer program could be trained to do that.

4768
06:18:30,240 --> 06:18:31,720
And would that even be undesirable?

4769
06:18:32,240 --> 06:18:34,300
Would it be a good thing for these decisions to be made

4770
06:18:34,300 --> 06:18:36,880
by a completely impartial, perfectly logical party,

4771
06:18:37,340 --> 06:18:39,040
which is not swayed by its own feelings

4772
06:18:39,040 --> 06:18:40,480
or by the concerns of its neighbors?

4773
06:18:40,760 --> 06:18:41,520
I think not.

4774
06:18:41,780 --> 06:18:43,140
I think that would miss the point.

4775
06:18:43,540 --> 06:18:47,420
The point is that no one is more capable, more qualified,

4776
06:18:47,920 --> 06:18:49,600
or more determined to protect the needs

4777
06:18:49,600 --> 06:18:51,700
of this community than the members of this community.

4778
06:18:51,700 --> 06:18:59,200
you are members of this community and you are on this commission precisely because you are affected by the decisions made here today.

4779
06:18:59,960 --> 06:19:06,840
I think it has been made clear that the State of Center poses a threat to our well-being and in the long run probably this community is continued existence.

4780
06:19:07,520 --> 06:19:11,480
Your neighbors have come here to use all of our power and influence to defend this community.

4781
06:19:11,860 --> 06:19:19,100
I ask you to do the same, defend your community, do not be convinced that the most important considerations around this project are beyond the preview of this commission.

4782
06:19:19,100 --> 06:19:21,720
do not be convinced that it is someone else's job,

4783
06:19:22,040 --> 06:19:23,980
do not be convinced that it is inappropriate

4784
06:19:23,980 --> 06:19:26,460
to be influenced by your own sense of right and wrong,

4785
06:19:26,760 --> 06:19:29,480
do not be convinced that the consequences of your decision

4786
06:19:29,480 --> 06:19:30,820
are not your problem.

4787
06:19:31,180 --> 06:19:33,060
You have been chosen from among the community

4788
06:19:33,060 --> 06:19:34,960
because you have an interest in what happens

4789
06:19:34,960 --> 06:19:35,740
to this community.

4790
06:19:36,140 --> 06:19:37,020
This is your home.

4791
06:19:37,240 --> 06:19:39,080
You have a moral right to defend it

4792
06:19:39,080 --> 06:19:40,880
and you have a power to defend it.

4793
06:19:41,040 --> 06:19:42,680
So I beg you to vote to defend it.

4794
06:19:42,920 --> 06:19:44,680
Vote with your heart, vote with your conscience,

4795
06:19:45,020 --> 06:19:46,020
and vote with your community.

4796
06:19:46,560 --> 06:19:47,180
Thank you.

4797
06:19:47,180 --> 06:19:48,300
Thank you, sir.

4798
06:19:52,120 --> 06:19:56,240
And then we will open the public hearing that anybody at the chamber could wish us to speak.

4799
06:19:57,180 --> 06:19:57,760
Please like.

4800
06:19:57,860 --> 06:19:58,940
There's much noise as I can.

4801
06:20:02,480 --> 06:20:28,480
Oh my gosh. I want to start with the officer that you had were moving people earlier, took it upon himself in the middle of a quiet and undistrupted meeting to ask me to leave, because I was taking photos of the developer's notes, text messages, and he just inserted himself and said, you're making a nuisance. I'm going to tell you to stop this, and then refuse to give me any statue or code that said that that was in violation of the rules of the quorum for this room.

4802
06:20:29,160 --> 06:20:36,540
that goes to show that that type of those threats of force, which is that that's what

4803
06:20:36,540 --> 06:20:40,960
that is, the threat of being removed is a threat of force, is that the benefit of

4804
06:20:40,960 --> 06:20:47,080
developers, not our community, that's not the benefit of staff that this is something

4805
06:20:47,080 --> 06:20:53,460
that's been in front of you for so long, and our legal department and no other staff

4806
06:20:53,460 --> 06:20:59,700
member and you don't even bother to ask another staff member about the impacts of SBA and

4807
06:20:59,700 --> 06:21:03,880
then there are links to the notches gasses that kill people, the

4808
06:21:06,120 --> 06:21:07,840
amount of citizen comment

4809
06:21:07,840 --> 06:21:12,120
that has gone into this is probably more than the amount of comment that you received for the

4810
06:21:12,120 --> 06:21:18,920
complaint itself. I and others working alongside some of you at various points in this community

4811
06:21:18,920 --> 06:21:25,000
have tried so hard to get people to show up and do this and give

4812
06:21:25,000 --> 06:21:28,320
it a comment and show up to these things because your voice is heard, your voice is important

4813
06:21:28,320 --> 06:21:35,200
and it's not. And I don't know how to tell people any more than it is. I don't usually listen

4814
06:21:35,200 --> 06:21:43,620
to something like this but I'm listening. I'm absolutely living as a mentor of Jim Garber, as a product

4815
06:21:43,620 --> 06:21:48,900
of Texas State University, as an ally to some of you in many regards, as an enemy to some

4816
06:21:48,900 --> 06:21:53,600
of you in many regards. I don't know what to do at this point to continue to cheerlead

4817
06:21:53,600 --> 06:21:58,800
and try to get people to show up and waste their freaking time. Don't nod your head of

4818
06:21:58,800 --> 06:22:03,640
me, Mr. Case. I've never seen a chair of this commission be the one to first make the motion

4819
06:22:03,640 --> 06:22:11,260
way out of step, way out of out of decorum. What this is going to do, given the amount of expertise

4820
06:22:11,260 --> 06:22:17,720
on our side of this issue, this is going to result in our citizens suing our own freaking city.

4821
06:22:18,900 --> 06:22:19,880
That's our only choice.

4822
06:22:20,360 --> 06:22:23,180
It's a nitpick, the process that Sam fumbled,

4823
06:22:24,120 --> 06:22:26,520
that you all did not do questions on.

4824
06:22:26,640 --> 06:22:28,080
We're going to have to do open records or questions

4825
06:22:28,080 --> 06:22:30,900
for the communications that Commissioner Burlison said,

4826
06:22:31,380 --> 06:22:32,860
people are writing in and sharing this.

4827
06:22:32,980 --> 06:22:33,440
Who are they?

4828
06:22:33,460 --> 06:22:34,720
You go into lunch with them.

4829
06:22:34,840 --> 06:22:36,680
You serve them a chamber of commerce with them.

4830
06:22:36,840 --> 06:22:38,560
Do they work for the greater sandbox partnership?

4831
06:22:38,960 --> 06:22:39,840
Who are these people?

4832
06:22:40,040 --> 06:22:41,060
Puppin' front of us.

4833
06:22:41,700 --> 06:22:42,980
Do they even have a vested interest?

4834
06:22:43,280 --> 06:22:44,880
Does any of the impacts of this development

4835
06:22:44,880 --> 06:22:46,360
get an impact than more their lives?

4836
06:22:46,540 --> 06:22:46,800
No.

4837
06:22:48,500 --> 06:22:54,660
So frickin' tired of this, I said so much time trying to, you know, reinvent my image

4838
06:22:54,660 --> 06:22:59,020
so that you all take me seriously, and it didn't, it was absolutely pointless.

4839
06:23:00,520 --> 06:23:04,240
I'm going to tell everybody to just give up.

4840
06:23:04,720 --> 06:23:05,700
You had as well, too.

4841
06:23:05,940 --> 06:23:06,560
Let's all stop.

4842
06:23:07,000 --> 06:23:10,520
I know many of you are going to run for City Council and I will be there, make sure you leave.

4843
06:23:18,080 --> 06:23:19,040
Hi, son, it's your effort.

4844
06:23:19,220 --> 06:23:20,200
I'm also pissed.

4845
06:23:21,820 --> 06:23:22,840
I wore suits tonight.

4846
06:23:22,920 --> 06:23:23,620
I hate doing that.

4847
06:23:23,620 --> 06:23:26,080
That's not much, that's not much of a, you know,

4848
06:23:29,700 --> 06:23:49,460
I mean, I mean, forget it, like, the problem with everything that's going on and I'm sorry it's going to be insulting to you, but all of us in DCAC have been doing this for the last year, going out of our way to study these things when I don't have the time, I'm a grad student, I defend next month, I don't have time to be here, I'm ruining myself to be here.

4849
06:23:49,460 --> 06:23:58,520
But I am here because myself, like all these other people, are ahead of the curve, because we are looking at what's going on in the rest of the country.

4850
06:23:59,020 --> 06:24:06,780
The communities that are being destroyed, the new cancers that are being developed, the rising miscarriage rates.

4851
06:24:07,060 --> 06:24:09,620
And we're going, oh, we don't want that in our town.

4852
06:24:10,620 --> 06:24:12,480
I talked to somebody from New York.

4853
06:24:12,480 --> 06:24:16,720
Like last week, who was like, oh my God, y'all don't have a data center yet?

4854
06:24:16,900 --> 06:24:18,080
What are y'all doing right?

4855
06:24:18,620 --> 06:24:20,960
How can we help y'all this stuff?

4856
06:24:21,140 --> 06:24:27,520
Like people are looking at our city as a nexus of this massive government,

4857
06:24:27,840 --> 06:24:29,820
or this massive nationwide fight.

4858
06:24:30,620 --> 06:24:34,840
And the only people who see somehow weirdly ignorant of it is y'all.

4859
06:24:35,820 --> 06:24:42,020
So we are ahead of y'all on the curve in the sense that we know this disaster is coming.

4860
06:24:42,020 --> 06:24:49,880
We know that all of us, no matter how much money you have, will be standing in line to get water from whatever source we can.

4861
06:24:50,360 --> 06:24:52,240
Because they've not secured the water rights.

4862
06:24:52,820 --> 06:24:59,720
Because five years ago, Phoenix got within 50 days of ground zero.

4863
06:25:00,000 --> 06:25:08,480
No water, and the sale of guns skyrocketed. And if that happens in Phoenix, they're all coming here. If that happens in El Paso, they're all coming here.

4864
06:25:08,720 --> 06:25:13,440
That happens in San Antonio, they're all coming here. Y'all guys are city planning, and there's nobody.

4865
06:25:15,420 --> 06:25:25,060
I've not seen a single government official who actually seems to have thought for half a second about what it looks like when any major city in this country loses water.

4866
06:25:25,800 --> 06:25:28,240
Like, do you all know what we did over toilet paper?

4867
06:25:29,500 --> 06:25:36,660
Like, your neighbor, your best friend, will kill you for water for their family with no hesitation.

4868
06:25:37,140 --> 06:25:38,340
And that's where we are going.

4869
06:25:38,520 --> 06:25:40,240
And that's where they are driving us.

4870
06:25:40,240 --> 06:25:47,400
And you are just sitting here and seating it to them and setting a precedence for a town that does not have a data center yet.

4871
06:25:47,680 --> 06:25:54,320
And the precedence that you are setting now is that we can change our comprehensive plans willingly if they ask us to.

4872
06:25:54,320 --> 06:25:58,280
that we can change our zoning's willy-nilly, if they ask us to, why?

4873
06:25:58,480 --> 06:26:00,900
Because they just want to destroy our town.

4874
06:26:03,120 --> 06:26:13,120
I'm sorry to tell you all this, but right now, the world's being paid over, paved over and killed with lead certified buildings.

4875
06:26:13,940 --> 06:26:21,540
All of these things that they're saying are going to hold them accountable are the same things that they are using as an excuse to literally destroy the world.

4876
06:26:21,860 --> 06:26:22,480
Thank you.

4877
06:26:23,260 --> 06:26:24,160
Thank you, sir.

4878
06:26:33,810 --> 06:26:35,170
Chris, before I'll go, six, six, nine,

4879
06:26:35,350 --> 06:26:37,410
benders during this seven-book community.

4880
06:26:40,350 --> 06:26:44,270
You guys just pretty much proved.

4881
06:26:44,570 --> 06:26:46,130
Like, I'm not going to give you guys any grace.

4882
06:26:47,550 --> 06:26:49,050
I don't think he's that you're not being attention,

4883
06:26:49,050 --> 06:26:50,010
and you're not listening.

4884
06:26:50,750 --> 06:26:52,070
You don't care.

4885
06:26:54,150 --> 06:26:56,550
You've proven that this is pretty much a class issue.

4886
06:26:57,230 --> 06:26:59,850
We have a rich white guy from out of town

4887
06:26:59,850 --> 06:27:06,550
coming in and acting like he's going to save our budget problem just by

4888
06:27:06,550 --> 06:27:11,330
gracing us with his presence. And the only people that come up that

4889
06:27:11,330 --> 06:27:13,690
trying to get on these type of commissions and run from city council are

4890
06:27:13,690 --> 06:27:17,150
usually people who are pretty well off. So of course the well off are going to

4891
06:27:17,150 --> 06:27:21,810
protect the well off. This is no surprise to me. I'm not actually disappointed

4892
06:27:23,570 --> 06:27:25,550
Because I expected this,

4893
06:27:27,620 --> 06:27:33,460
but now you've given me something like, I'm not going to be like

4894
06:27:33,460 --> 06:27:35,540
Max where I'm going to tell people to give up.

4895
06:27:36,480 --> 06:27:38,320
I'm going to tell them we need to do something different.

4896
06:27:39,160 --> 06:27:40,480
We need to give up on it like Tarleton.

4897
06:27:40,640 --> 06:27:42,480
We need to give up on worrying about city council.

4898
06:27:43,120 --> 06:27:45,220
And we need to hit the streets and start flipping tables.

4899
06:27:46,060 --> 06:27:49,040
People can take that as a threat of violence and disruption if all they want.

4900
06:27:49,640 --> 06:27:50,460
Maybe I'll come to that.

4901
06:27:50,600 --> 06:27:51,240
Maybe I won't.

4902
06:27:51,240 --> 06:27:53,900
I don't know, but it's time,

4903
06:27:55,960 --> 06:27:57,160
like, I want to block maybe

4904
06:27:57,160 --> 06:27:59,900
from building, by just having us all just go camp out on this property,

4905
06:28:00,620 --> 06:28:05,500
really care his shit up, make it as difficult for him as possible.

4906
06:28:06,020 --> 06:28:07,400
That seems to be the only way we're going to stop this,

4907
06:28:07,420 --> 06:28:09,360
because you guys just made it easier for City Council.

4908
06:28:09,480 --> 06:28:11,280
No matter what you vote on this owning part,

4909
06:28:12,440 --> 06:28:16,000
we already know that probably six of them are going to vote for this.

4910
06:28:16,380 --> 06:28:20,920
Even one that I would think would be against it as much as she seems to care about the community,

4911
06:28:20,920 --> 06:28:26,480
the fact that she's voted for the men mill last time, so as she doesn't care about the community.

4912
06:28:26,740 --> 06:28:30,520
The only one that does is Amanda Rodriguez, and the two that voted no one at this time.

4913
06:28:30,560 --> 06:28:31,580
Thank you.

4914
06:28:34,570 --> 06:28:37,850
So, I know you guys don't care. You guys don't care about what the community said.

4915
06:28:37,930 --> 06:28:42,750
You don't care about what the immediate doofus office street, who just on a whim decided to

4916
06:28:42,750 --> 06:28:45,930
run for city council. You don't care what I think. So I know I'm not hurting your feelings.

4917
06:28:46,810 --> 06:28:50,210
But in case I have her to feelings, cry me fuck and remember, we're gonna need it.

4918
06:28:52,110 --> 06:28:53,170
Thank you, sir.

4919
06:29:00,860 --> 06:29:02,800
Yeah, so I mean, this was clearly a sham.

4920
06:29:14,790 --> 06:29:23,510
David, when you read the news and you see things are not going

4921
06:29:23,510 --> 06:29:25,830
to get more peaceful, I think, in this country, right?

4922
06:29:25,950 --> 06:29:27,490
Like, it's not going in a good direction.

4923
06:29:28,430 --> 06:29:30,250
And a lot of what's happening is young people

4924
06:29:31,390 --> 06:29:39,110
are witnessing government that even on this most micro-local level

4925
06:29:39,110 --> 06:29:45,230
is not like really critically engaging with their job or like really like listening to people

4926
06:29:47,430 --> 06:29:52,370
and that's having effects and like when you read the news and you see the chaos that's happening

4927
06:29:52,370 --> 06:29:58,790
and then five years when you see what's happening and you like sort of shake your head and you're like

4928
06:29:58,790 --> 06:29:59,410
Well.

4929
06:30:00,660 --> 06:30:05,560
We're all going crazy. You just remember that like you have

4930
06:30:07,920 --> 06:30:15,400
a lot of power each of you to kind of write that future. It's like being written. And

4931
06:30:17,740 --> 06:30:23,700
yeah, this is what it, this is what is happening here, I guess.

4932
06:30:23,700 --> 06:30:24,940
Thank

4933
06:30:27,020 --> 06:30:27,240
you,

4934
06:30:34,180 --> 06:30:34,180
sir.

4935
06:30:34,360 --> 06:30:36,540
Gina Plumming 1013, Dartmouth.

4936
06:30:38,560 --> 06:30:39,600
Any event?

4937
06:30:40,860 --> 06:30:41,060
What?

4938
06:30:41,920 --> 06:30:42,860
Let's talk to them.

4939
06:30:43,040 --> 06:30:43,260
I'm sorry.

4940
06:30:44,080 --> 06:30:50,800
I know what happened between when Jim Garber died and tonight.

4941
06:30:52,500 --> 06:30:57,640
You know, what new information did you have that changed your mind?

4942
06:30:57,640 --> 06:31:06,260
I do appreciate that there is a difference between the preferred scenario and amendment and a zoning change.

4943
06:31:07,060 --> 06:31:08,700
So I haven't given up on your yet.

4944
06:31:09,980 --> 06:31:18,680
That maybe you're just looking at the preferred scenario and making a distinction between that and the zoning amendment.

4945
06:31:19,500 --> 06:31:23,440
I wanted to make you aware too, something I brought up at the town hall.

4946
06:31:23,440 --> 06:31:39,380
But we had last week, this isn't about data centers, but I think we're a lot of us are not treated seriously like maybe we're over a dramatic or whatever,

4947
06:31:42,360 --> 06:31:50,140
but the state, these are the actual titles of some continuing medical education credits I got last year.

4948
06:31:50,940 --> 06:32:07,780
These are the titles from the American Medical Association's Education website and the two that stuck out, there were a number of them related to climate change and the two that stuck out were why should extinction medicine be a medical specialty.

4949
06:32:10,180 --> 06:32:16,440
The other one was, why healthcare still matters in the face of the end of humanity?

4950
06:32:19,060 --> 06:32:25,860
The American Medical Association is trying to deal with the end of humanity.

4951
06:32:30,120 --> 06:32:33,440
I really feel, I can't imagine what it would feel like.

4952
06:32:33,860 --> 06:32:39,500
I mean, I'm all done not going to be here that much longer, but to be younger, or if you

4953
06:32:39,500 --> 06:32:45,140
have children, I have a child, but he's already an adult, but if you have children or grandchildren,

4954
06:32:45,140 --> 06:32:50,850
We need to take this seriously.

4955
06:32:53,660 --> 06:32:56,320
Also, I just want to reiterate that the restrictive

4956
06:32:56,320 --> 06:32:59,160
Governments are irrelevant.

4957
06:33:00,180 --> 06:33:04,560
So the lead certification, these things are irrelevant.

4958
06:33:04,840 --> 06:33:07,700
They would be very hard to enforce.

4959
06:33:09,000 --> 06:33:12,810
And in the presentation, I noticed that they

4960
06:33:12,810 --> 06:33:19,450
they did concede that water use was connected to energy but then when they

4961
06:33:19,450 --> 06:33:22,610
compared residential to

4962
06:33:25,070 --> 06:33:28,270
light industrial they were just talking about

4963
06:33:28,270 --> 06:33:35,010
onsite usage and that was that was very misleading and I would also like to

4964
06:33:35,010 --> 06:33:44,590
reiterate that you can finish that this is a false either or a situation between

4965
06:33:44,590 --> 06:33:50,190
residential and plant industrial or residential and data center.

4966
06:33:50,550 --> 06:33:54,770
Even if you don't think it's appropriate for residential,

4967
06:33:55,410 --> 06:33:58,590
that doesn't mean you should approve light industrial.

4968
06:34:00,730 --> 06:34:04,270
We can bring it back again for another consideration.

4969
06:34:06,110 --> 06:34:06,970
Thank you.

4970
06:34:07,030 --> 06:34:08,010
Thank you, ma'am.

4971
06:34:14,200 --> 06:34:16,560
Anyone else in the chambers which is speak?

4972
06:34:17,360 --> 06:34:19,460
Do you have any bound line who wishes to speak?

4973
06:34:19,460 --> 06:34:20,740
Mayor, did you wish to speak?

4974
06:34:25,150 --> 06:34:26,010
I sure.

4975
06:34:29,420 --> 06:34:31,660
I have no feelings right now actually.

4976
06:34:31,820 --> 06:34:33,720
I can't even really say that I'm disappointed.

4977
06:34:36,420 --> 06:34:39,240
But one of the things I said at the town hall last week,

4978
06:34:39,420 --> 06:34:40,460
we were going to have a town hall.

4979
06:34:40,600 --> 06:34:44,360
We were really hoping to hold the town hall so that we could all share space

4980
06:34:44,360 --> 06:34:47,360
in a different and more democratic format.

4981
06:34:48,140 --> 06:34:50,900
And that conflicted with the city's strategic visioning.

4982
06:34:50,900 --> 06:34:59,980
So anyway, we hung out in a pentacostal church for a bit and I think one of the first things I said what directed at council the mayor

4983
06:35:00,940 --> 06:35:06,860
Mostly, and some city staff, there's due y'all want to live in a democracy.

4984
06:35:11,380 --> 06:35:15,400
Some of us, yeah, we believe

4985
06:35:15,400 --> 06:35:22,780
that we can co-create the world that we want, and it seems like y'all want to be in the way of that.

4986
06:35:22,780 --> 06:35:29,120
And we're not going to stop fighting data centers here.

4987
06:35:29,860 --> 06:35:32,540
We're deeply devoted to this place.

4988
06:35:33,180 --> 06:35:38,780
And I'm sorry that y'all, I wish that we'd

4989
06:35:38,780 --> 06:35:40,500
been able to have a more open dialogue.

4990
06:35:40,740 --> 06:35:43,100
We will be holding a town hall soon.

4991
06:35:44,940 --> 06:35:49,400
But a lot of us are probably going to get increasingly

4992
06:35:50,020 --> 06:35:52,400
unwilling to engage in this kind of format

4993
06:35:52,400 --> 06:36:00,160
because we're clearly not being listened to and are very well-informed on this topic and I wish

4994
06:36:00,160 --> 06:36:04,500
we had a different way to communicate. I tried emailing you all actually. I understand you all used

4995
06:36:04,500 --> 06:36:12,280
to have a city email and when I did emailing all it bounced back. I like went to spam. So it's been

4996
06:36:12,280 --> 06:36:17,520
really hard to even communicate. Like there's no easy direct line of communication. I wasn't sure if

4997
06:36:17,520 --> 06:36:38,520
like, I don't know, so it's very frustrating, and some people are just so frustrated that they're just on their unwilling to engage in this way, and I think more and more of us are going to feel less and less willing to engage in this way, and more and more willing to do other things to create the world that we want and that we need to survive.

4998
06:36:41,360 --> 06:36:48,820
Yeah, that's mostly, I'm sorry, that we weren't able to relay more information,

4999
06:36:51,340 --> 06:36:52,840
yeah, it's

5000
06:36:52,840 --> 06:37:00,960
upsetting, but all across the country and the world, people are fighting data centers, and

5001
06:37:00,960 --> 06:37:03,880
they are winning, and we can't do.

5002
06:37:03,880 --> 06:37:10,760
Um, and I don't understand, yeah, like Gina said, what has changed since last spring,

5003
06:37:11,280 --> 06:37:16,670
like y'all aren't supposed to be thinking about budget, like what's the reason to vote for this.

5004
06:37:17,840 --> 06:37:17,880
Um,

5005
06:37:20,020 --> 06:37:24,500
yeah, it was really poignant to rewatch that meeting and hear the things that y'all were saying

5006
06:37:24,500 --> 06:37:32,440
and actually feel like we were listening to and hear what Jim said and thank you.

5007
06:37:34,720 --> 06:37:39,440
Do you want us to chambers which speak in the background line?

5008
06:37:43,640 --> 06:37:43,780
No.

5009
06:37:43,780 --> 06:37:45,180
Wait, I think about that.

5010
06:37:45,540 --> 06:37:45,900
I speak.

5011
06:37:46,180 --> 06:37:46,820
Yes, ma'am, please.

5012
06:37:47,520 --> 06:37:48,780
My name is Danielle Kid.

5013
06:37:48,880 --> 06:37:51,320
I live at 1318 Hazelton Street in Symarcus.

5014
06:37:52,200 --> 06:37:58,740
I'm fairly new to this debate that we're having here, but after seeing this tonight,

5015
06:37:58,780 --> 06:38:03,840
I just want to ask, what was the point of creating a comprehensive plan?

5016
06:38:05,060 --> 06:38:06,840
If you're not going to listen to it.

5017
06:38:06,840 --> 06:38:11,320
If you're not going to listen to the people that participated in creating it,

5018
06:38:15,770 --> 06:38:16,450
we can discuss that

5019
06:38:17,790 --> 06:38:19,530
Yeah, I'd like to know

5020
06:38:21,330 --> 06:38:25,450
We can't answer you right now. We can discuss it later in the agenda. Okay. Well, I hope that you do

5021
06:38:27,050 --> 06:38:33,210
You had how many people come in here and tell you that we didn't want this in our community

5022
06:38:37,710 --> 06:38:41,190
The only people that were in favor don't live in this town.

5023
06:38:55,590 --> 06:38:57,850
What we closed this anyone's in the chamber, which is be

5024
06:39:05,710 --> 06:39:23,210
I'm going to recommend a partial approval of the ZEC-2513 for all the requested tracks with the exemption of a 50-foot buffer along the north-western property line of the Highlander S.M.1 LLC Tracts,

5025
06:39:23,210 --> 06:39:29,350
adjacent to the private dryway grant Harris Road, the 50-foot buffer would instead be recommended for

5026
06:39:29,350 --> 06:39:31,230
a carried edition of one CD-1.

5027
06:39:35,820 --> 06:39:36,560
That's a staff language.

5028
06:39:36,960 --> 06:39:40,020
That's a staff language, so approval based on staff recommendation?

5029
06:39:40,280 --> 06:39:40,740
Yeah.

5030
06:39:41,200 --> 06:39:42,540
Staffers in, okay.

5031
06:39:43,200 --> 06:39:45,620
Motion approved by Commissioner Spell?

5032
06:39:46,140 --> 06:39:47,040
All seconded.

5033
06:39:47,220 --> 06:39:48,460
Seconded by Commissioner Burlison.

5034
06:39:50,080 --> 06:39:50,480
Discussion.

5035
06:39:54,560 --> 06:39:55,340
Yes sir, Commissioner Agnes.

5036
06:39:55,340 --> 06:39:59,960
I know that the restrictive evidence aren't really for us.

5037
06:40:00,000 --> 06:40:22,920
To negotiate for the applicant the best for council to do, or maybe staff. But I do have a number of comments on them that I think are some significant, I'd like to go ahead and make, because I understand that these will, hopefully at least be heard or read by some of our council members.

5038
06:40:24,600 --> 06:40:34,700
So, and I don't know that the applicant has to worry about responding to any of these because I mean I don't matter in this process, but I do have a number of comments.

5039
06:40:37,500 --> 06:40:43,180
First, there's a 20-year term on the restrictive confidence.

5040
06:40:43,980 --> 06:40:48,560
And the items that are the subject of these confidence aren't 20 year items.

5041
06:40:49,380 --> 06:40:52,740
I mean, things like water usage, runoff.

5042
06:40:53,560 --> 06:40:56,000
These are more perpetual type items.

5043
06:40:57,460 --> 06:40:59,720
I would strongly suggest if I were council.

5044
06:41:00,820 --> 06:41:02,320
I get rid of the 20 year term.

5045
06:41:02,480 --> 06:41:04,000
It just doesn't make any sense.

5046
06:41:04,380 --> 06:41:07,240
I mean, 20 years do we not care how much water they use.

5047
06:41:07,640 --> 06:41:09,460
Do we not care how much runoff they have.

5048
06:41:09,920 --> 06:41:11,200
I mean, obviously we still would.

5049
06:41:11,200 --> 06:41:23,360
I mean, actually, if somebody mentioned this earlier, and I've seen this, I think at one point there is a projection that came out of some staff somewhere that our

5050
06:41:23,360 --> 06:41:27,640
our demand for water will exceed our supply in 2047.

5051
06:41:28,400 --> 06:41:30,620
That's just a little over 20 years from now.

5052
06:41:31,140 --> 06:41:35,480
And so it makes no sense for these to expire in 20 years.

5053
06:41:35,600 --> 06:41:38,480
Because obviously at that point, we're still going to care a lot about water usage.

5054
06:41:39,260 --> 06:41:43,900
So that's one comment I would make is get rid of the 20-year term.

5055
06:41:44,720 --> 06:41:48,860
Secondly, I know it's been talked about a lot of current clothing,

5056
06:41:49,000 --> 06:41:50,880
but I don't see anything in here.

5057
06:41:50,880 --> 06:41:56,540
If you get any idea how these things are going to be monitored, what kind of reporting we should get.

5058
06:41:56,900 --> 06:42:02,680
And again, particularly on the water use, it just seems like there's things that could be done to where the city is, you know,

5059
06:42:03,160 --> 06:42:05,900
you just said just a water bill once a month or something.

5060
06:42:06,500 --> 06:42:11,220
But there's nothing in here about monitoring and reporting, and I think there should be.

5061
06:42:12,540 --> 06:42:15,880
There's a lot of items in here that start off,

5062
06:42:15,880 --> 06:42:21,940
If a data center is constructed on the property, it's probably five or six of them.

5063
06:42:22,200 --> 06:42:26,400
And that seems kind of like an unnecessary hedge or something to me.

5064
06:42:26,480 --> 06:42:31,980
I mean, there doesn't seem to be any doubt that they intended to put a data center on the property.

5065
06:42:32,200 --> 06:42:34,740
And I would actually suggest that be eliminated every case.

5066
06:42:35,020 --> 06:42:36,680
I don't even know what the point of it is, honestly.

5067
06:42:37,240 --> 06:42:41,180
I mean, in a worse case, I guess if they don't do a data center and do something else,

5068
06:42:41,180 --> 06:42:44,400
than these provisions would all become an operative,

5069
06:42:44,560 --> 06:42:46,420
and I guess I could use as much water as they wanted,

5070
06:42:46,560 --> 06:42:47,500
and so forth.

5071
06:42:47,900 --> 06:42:49,560
And that's probably a far-fetched scenario,

5072
06:42:49,820 --> 06:42:50,620
but you never know.

5073
06:42:51,140 --> 06:42:53,500
So I would strongly suggest that that'd be taken out

5074
06:42:53,500 --> 06:42:58,100
everywhere it applies and if the data centers

5075
06:42:58,100 --> 06:43:02,820
on the property, uh, one question on water usage I had

5076
06:43:02,820 --> 06:43:05,160
by actually, too.

5077
06:43:05,540 --> 06:43:08,380
And I'm all confused by this, in the staff presentation,

5078
06:43:08,620 --> 06:43:10,820
and I think some of what the applicant has told us.

5079
06:43:10,820 --> 06:43:13,560
There are two separate numbers for water usage.

5080
06:43:15,280 --> 06:43:25,700
One is 75,000, what is it, million gallons a day, and the other is like 25 to 25,000 gallons per day.

5081
06:43:26,020 --> 06:43:29,500
And as I understand, the first one is allocation, the second one is usage.

5082
06:43:30,700 --> 06:43:35,740
But I don't know why the provision in here on water usage isn't based on usage.

5083
06:43:36,360 --> 06:43:39,580
Why not put 35,000 into here instead of 75,000?

5084
06:43:39,580 --> 06:43:44,940
75,000 is an allocation, not 35,000 is your projected usage.

5085
06:43:46,640 --> 06:43:47,420
Do you want to respond?

5086
06:43:48,340 --> 06:43:49,880
I don't know if you want to or not.

5087
06:43:50,480 --> 06:43:51,300
Again, no.

5088
06:43:53,040 --> 06:43:53,820
Up to you.

5089
06:43:54,640 --> 06:43:55,740
I'll just go on with all of them.

5090
06:43:55,900 --> 06:43:59,140
If you want to, if you want to, you can respond to any of them.

5091
06:44:00,420 --> 06:44:04,060
Also, on water usage, and this is a little tricky.

5092
06:44:05,580 --> 06:44:08,000
But as several people have mentioned up there this evening,

5093
06:44:08,000 --> 06:44:16,580
The water that gets used to produce the power for the data center will dwarf the amount

5094
06:44:16,580 --> 06:44:20,480
of water that's actually used, it's going to be used directly by the data center.

5095
06:44:20,960 --> 06:44:24,420
I mean, by like 30 times or more from the numbers I've seen.

5096
06:44:25,880 --> 06:44:31,320
And in a sense, what's being contemplated right now is probably the best case scenario for

5097
06:44:31,320 --> 06:44:40,640
since you're planning to use the PEC for a electric, because the water they use is

5098
06:44:40,640 --> 06:44:45,260
I understand it would not come from our watershed, but from some other part of the state,

5099
06:44:45,580 --> 06:44:50,540
and also I understand that some of their power comes from solar and wind, which also

5100
06:44:51,300 --> 06:44:55,560
doesn't require a great deal of water like natural gas or coal.

5101
06:44:57,260 --> 06:44:59,960
But the one thing, several people I know here in...

5102
06:45:00,000 --> 06:45:13,960
Accounts who are very involved in conservation and water and so forth are very concerned that, at some point, the data center would decide they want to get their power directly from pay's energy.

5103
06:45:14,840 --> 06:45:21,040
And the problem that would create is that pay's energy gets their water from the same source as the city of St. Marcus does.

5104
06:45:21,040 --> 06:45:28,860
And that's something that I know they would like not to see, and it makes sense that they would not like to see.

5105
06:45:29,800 --> 06:45:40,180
And I would like to see something in here that obligated the data center to continue using PDC.

5106
06:45:40,180 --> 06:45:44,040
I mean, continue using PDC for power.

5107
06:45:46,660 --> 06:45:49,980
I say without the consent of the city to change.

5108
06:45:49,980 --> 06:45:54,400
I mean, I can understand there might be some reason down the line to change, but I would

5109
06:45:54,400 --> 06:45:58,880
like to see something that at least gives the city the ability to sign off on that.

5110
06:45:59,160 --> 06:46:05,340
Because it could make a great deal of difference to water usage from our sources if that change

5111
06:46:05,340 --> 06:46:06,200
ever got made.

5112
06:46:07,880 --> 06:46:13,120
Another thing that's maybe kind of picky, I can maybe see the problem on the lead certification.

5113
06:46:14,040 --> 06:46:25,860
What is being sort of represented here is that they will apply for lead certification, but not that they will actually get certified as leads.

5114
06:46:26,340 --> 06:46:42,980
And I can kind of understand that because obviously the actual certification depends on the approval of some other other body, but still, and I don't know what better, what could be done better than this, but if they were to apply for lead certification and not get it.

5115
06:46:43,640 --> 06:46:48,200
then that doesn't seem to be useful to the city or to anybody.

5116
06:46:48,900 --> 06:46:50,180
And I don't know what could be done there,

5117
06:46:50,300 --> 06:46:53,040
but maybe there's something better.

5118
06:46:54,720 --> 06:46:55,240
We could choose.

5119
06:46:56,060 --> 06:46:58,040
Oh, the one on noise.

5120
06:46:58,300 --> 06:46:59,280
What that's number.

5121
06:47:02,810 --> 06:47:02,990
Yeah.

5122
06:47:03,570 --> 06:47:04,210
Item J.

5123
06:47:05,610 --> 06:47:07,690
And this is a little bit picky, but I could see

5124
06:47:07,690 --> 06:47:10,110
under certain cases it could make a difference.

5125
06:47:10,730 --> 06:47:13,130
It says right now that they will

5126
06:47:13,130 --> 06:47:20,710
The maximum noise level should be 75 decibels as measured from either the closest right of

5127
06:47:20,710 --> 06:47:25,970
way to the property or from the property line of the complainant, et cetera.

5128
06:47:27,330 --> 06:47:32,710
And what bothers me about that is it particularly given the, you know, rather limited

5129
06:47:32,710 --> 06:47:40,210
road system out there in the sort of gigantic block perimeter that this plant will sit in

5130
06:47:40,210 --> 06:47:47,130
middle of, it seems very possible to make a complainant the property line of a complainant

5131
06:47:47,130 --> 06:47:54,590
could be closer to the source of the noise than the closest public right of way. In fact,

5132
06:47:54,770 --> 06:48:02,430
that seems very likely. And it would seem better to just word this as measured from both

5133
06:48:02,430 --> 06:48:07,370
the closest right of way to the property and from the property line of the complainant,

5134
06:48:07,370 --> 06:48:10,610
Just to kind of avoid the situation I'm concerned about,

5135
06:48:13,010 --> 06:48:18,270
let's see, it's just words, but I think you could make a difference under a certain situation.

5136
06:48:19,030 --> 06:48:24,930
Also, and I think maybe the way this has gone tonight, it's not the problem that could possibly have been.

5137
06:48:25,210 --> 06:48:36,090
But condition precedent, where this whole thing becomes, I guess, no, and void if they don't get the zoning they want by March 18th, 2026.

5138
06:48:36,770 --> 06:48:38,570
That's a pretty tight deadline.

5139
06:48:39,470 --> 06:48:46,750
I mean, if I see the schedule right, the second vote by city council, I think would be March

5140
06:48:46,750 --> 06:48:47,550
the third.

5141
06:48:48,930 --> 06:48:54,550
I don't know if that's probably deliberately made tight, but I would think it would be something

5142
06:48:54,550 --> 06:49:02,750
a little bit more, or some longer deadline, and that would be more realistic, because I think

5143
06:49:02,750 --> 06:49:08,270
certainly possible I could get delayed before past March 18th but still ultimately get approved.

5144
06:49:09,490 --> 06:49:15,590
So, I guess I would just suggest a later date probably just allow a little more slack in the process,

5145
06:49:15,810 --> 06:49:17,330
because that allows almost nothing.

5146
06:49:23,680 --> 06:49:24,420
Let's see,

5147
06:49:27,840 --> 06:49:32,620
yeah, that's, that's I think really all that I have, I have some questions about

5148
06:49:32,620 --> 06:49:38,080
what kind of remedy, but I think that's been discussed here by the lawyers in the room.

5149
06:49:38,080 --> 06:49:41,800
So that's really all I've got, and I guess I mainly just

5150
06:49:41,800 --> 06:49:45,000
trying to put this on the record hoping that somebody

5151
06:49:45,000 --> 06:49:47,660
counsel will notice it and listen to it.

5152
06:49:47,880 --> 06:49:50,220
And so for this, the applicant has anything they want to say

5153
06:49:50,220 --> 06:49:53,580
that's fine, but it's not necessary at all.

5154
06:49:54,420 --> 06:49:56,200
And that's really all I've got on that.

5155
06:49:56,420 --> 06:49:57,540
Yeah, we'd like to respond.

5156
06:50:04,780 --> 06:50:09,980
I'll just say that I think those are great comments and we'll take them all under consideration.

5157
06:50:10,720 --> 06:50:12,480
Okay, thank you, I appreciate it.

5158
06:50:14,940 --> 06:50:15,520
Commissioner Spell.

5159
06:50:19,240 --> 06:50:25,560
Sometimes we get the luxury of having a proposal in front of us that is fantastic and one

5160
06:50:25,560 --> 06:50:30,780
there for when we love it and we're all happy for it and sometimes we get to be like this.

5161
06:50:31,160 --> 06:50:33,100
Which at the best case can you say it's better than alternative?

5162
06:50:33,760 --> 06:50:39,380
alternative by the way is the cloud birth facility which is going in down the row

5163
06:50:39,380 --> 06:50:43,740
outside the city of Lemons, which is, I believe, three and a half times larger than

5164
06:50:43,740 --> 06:50:49,680
this proposal from Mr. Mayor Mary. And someone mentioned this is a watershed moment.

5165
06:50:50,060 --> 06:50:54,240
The watershed moment is coming on. It came in November when they broke rat clock

5166
06:50:54,240 --> 06:50:58,200
burst and nobody from the city has any ability to stop that. And nobody from

5167
06:50:58,200 --> 06:51:03,000
the county has anybody to regulate the property more than what the city can do.

5168
06:51:03,000 --> 06:51:07,780
Our city's land development code is one of the strongest in our area.

5169
06:51:08,080 --> 06:51:09,780
It is a gold standard in Texas.

5170
06:51:10,300 --> 06:51:14,960
It is always open for improvement and we have process for improving it.

5171
06:51:15,260 --> 06:51:21,360
But it is fundamentally better than what any county can legally do in the area that I'm aware of.

5172
06:51:21,480 --> 06:51:26,760
And it is better than our surrounding cities in terms of environmental protections for our water and protections for our river.

5173
06:51:27,700 --> 06:51:35,640
So if the, so fundamentally from my perspective, a project like this in the C limits, in the,

5174
06:51:35,660 --> 06:51:39,820
in under the land development fund following it, regardless of whether there's a sugar

5175
06:51:39,820 --> 06:51:46,440
and covenants, which is another factor, is going to be more environmentally better all things

5176
06:51:46,440 --> 06:51:51,360
be equal than the exact same project being built a quarter of amounts on a city limits.

5177
06:51:51,360 --> 06:51:59,040
And so the issue, the two mixed that is, is this vote, or is the council direction when it comes to the council?

5178
06:51:59,920 --> 06:52:04,260
Is it going to fundamentally increase the number of data centers built in our community,

5179
06:52:04,500 --> 06:52:09,040
or built in the greater semergus area, and in the central Texas area?

5180
06:52:09,520 --> 06:52:10,780
And I don't believe it will.

5181
06:52:11,300 --> 06:52:19,340
From ERCOT's perspective, it's finally sort of the regulatory body that handles what you can tie into greater not.

5182
06:52:19,340 --> 06:52:21,300
And so this project will have to tie in the degree.

5183
06:52:21,420 --> 06:52:25,940
That's how you get the sort of jurisdictional for the, for the Senate bill.

5184
06:52:26,400 --> 06:52:30,280
And I do in a minute want to read from something from a news article that was provided to us,

5185
06:52:30,300 --> 06:52:34,120
from the statesman about what they're actually going to do because I know that came up

5186
06:52:34,120 --> 06:52:36,980
from a venture out of Turkey back in December.

5187
06:52:41,540 --> 06:52:46,420
I am looking, from our perspective, I just don't see them caring,

5188
06:52:47,200 --> 06:52:49,380
whether you project like this is built in the City of Limiter,

5189
06:52:49,380 --> 06:52:56,180
built two miles down the road in the E.T.J. Their grade is not that precise. And so when you

5190
06:52:56,180 --> 06:53:02,040
approve something like this, you scratch off another project in the E.T.J., because they're

5191
06:53:02,040 --> 06:53:06,460
going to look at this from respective of what can the grade handle. And yes, our client is going

5192
06:53:06,460 --> 06:53:09,420
to be a lot more perspective, sort of permissive than I'm sure some of the people in the audience

5193
06:53:09,420 --> 06:53:14,740
wouldn't prefer them to be. That's a issue for the state government to handle and the state

5194
06:53:14,740 --> 06:53:19,260
legislator to handle. And there are elections for those in November, but we can't decide that

5195
06:53:19,260 --> 06:53:23,820
night. Well, we have to look at is what's the best alternative for

5196
06:53:23,820 --> 06:53:30,700
San Marcos? How do we mitigate the worst effects even if we're stop voting for

5197
06:53:30,700 --> 06:53:35,640
something that we may not personally approve of our personally like? We have

5198
06:53:35,640 --> 06:53:39,360
responsibility to the city and for the citizens to do our best with the hands

5199
06:53:39,360 --> 06:53:42,100
worked out and sometimes we are dealt about hand.

5200
06:53:45,360 --> 06:53:51,440
Please, please. Right man, I'll

5201
06:53:51,440 --> 06:53:59,700
of a comment than a question, but we do listen to y'all, or let's not do back and forth,

5202
06:53:59,860 --> 06:54:00,800
let's not do back and forth.

5203
06:54:01,380 --> 06:54:05,620
Oh, yeah, I'm not going, and I don't intend to, but what I want to say is just because the

5204
06:54:05,620 --> 06:54:12,040
vote didn't go the way you think it should have or it did or didn't, it really bothers me.

5205
06:54:12,060 --> 06:54:18,080
I think Mr. Baker said that he's given up. This is not the body that makes the final

5206
06:54:18,080 --> 06:54:18,720
decision.

5207
06:54:22,920 --> 06:54:28,960
I'm not going to, I'm not going to discuss, but what I want to know is that the process

5208
06:54:28,960 --> 06:54:35,900
is not over here, and it really bothers me when one citizen is just to give up, and I would

5209
06:54:35,900 --> 06:54:42,240
encourage, if you don't like the way this goes tonight, regardless, go to City Council,

5210
06:54:43,520 --> 06:54:46,780
there are the ones that are elected, there are the ones that make that decision, there

5211
06:54:46,780 --> 06:54:53,420
ones that need to hear what we heard tonight. And I'm sorry if you feel like we didn't

5212
06:54:53,420 --> 06:54:59,300
listen because I don't for one, do listen to you, just didn't work. I have to go

5213
06:54:59,300 --> 06:54:59,960
what's in for wasn't.

5214
06:55:00,000 --> 06:55:06,980
In front of me. And they let's come back to the agenda item that we're discussing here. Commission weeks.

5215
06:55:09,470 --> 06:55:14,090
I do want to respond to the jukumissions that have already spoken, and then I do have some points I want to make.

5216
06:55:14,910 --> 06:55:20,870
It's only a gold standard if we adhere to it. I understand what you're saying, commissioner roof, and I appreciate that.

5217
06:55:21,330 --> 06:55:30,470
I do appreciate, you know, the work that our staff has done to give us a comprehensive plan and to give us an LVC at a preferred scenario amendment.

5218
06:55:32,730 --> 06:56:01,610
My disappointment is that I feel like we're not abiding by those documents and the same thing about the waiting period, I think that probably the wrong call was made for all the right reasons, you know, nobody tries to make a bad call, but I feel like it shouldn't have even been before us, about the comfort, about the change in the PSA and I feel like this shouldn't even be before us because there has not been a one-year waiting period.

5219
06:56:01,630 --> 06:56:09,950
So I feel like our gold standard documents aren't being followed, so that does distrust me.

5220
06:56:10,850 --> 06:56:18,030
I also appreciate what you have said, Commissioner Oda Curkey, but we are part of the process.

5221
06:56:18,350 --> 06:56:24,930
We are a very important part of the process and I have listened to you.

5222
06:56:24,930 --> 06:56:27,650
That's why my comments have been what they have been tonight.

5223
06:56:27,650 --> 06:56:33,870
I don't know where Commissioner Burlison may have gotten some documents that I didn't receive,

5224
06:56:34,530 --> 06:56:38,650
but I have taken notes on every person that has come here.

5225
06:56:39,130 --> 06:56:42,510
I read every letter that was sent to us.

5226
06:56:42,790 --> 06:56:48,330
We had only four that were for it and 12 that were against it in the letters.

5227
06:56:49,050 --> 06:56:55,490
And we had over 100 people, almost 100 people, and then if you count people that came again

5228
06:56:55,490 --> 06:57:05,470
When the agenda item was up for discussion and spoke again against it, we had well over a hundred of our citizens saying don't do this.

5229
06:57:05,830 --> 06:57:07,130
We don't want this.

5230
06:57:07,550 --> 06:57:14,970
I Google the addresses of the people, the four people that said they wanted it, they don't live anywhere near this property.

5231
06:57:15,890 --> 06:57:23,350
Yet the people who are going to be impacted by these decisions are here tonight saying don't do this to us.

5232
06:57:23,350 --> 06:57:28,290
Please don't do this to us, and I brought up the example of the wood's apartment.

5233
06:57:30,150 --> 06:57:35,490
We all know how those people who voted that in are now seen in San Marcos,

5234
06:57:35,630 --> 06:57:37,570
how they are talked about.

5235
06:57:38,170 --> 06:57:41,050
They voted it in for whatever reasons they did.

5236
06:57:41,290 --> 06:57:44,370
It was disastrous for the people of San Marcos.

5237
06:57:44,590 --> 06:57:47,010
I don't want that to be my legacy.

5238
06:57:47,530 --> 06:57:51,250
I do not want that on my sheet, on my side of the ledger.

5239
06:57:51,250 --> 06:57:58,330
I'm listening to you. I'm taking into account what is legal for us to do. I'm abiding by the rules.

5240
06:57:58,970 --> 06:58:09,510
I feel like we do need to seriously consider the massive people that have come to us tonight with the research that they have done.

5241
06:58:09,910 --> 06:58:12,550
And we need to listen that and consider that.

5242
06:58:12,550 --> 06:58:19,730
Could we go, did you want to discuss your objective to the agenda, I don't, or-

5243
06:58:19,730 --> 06:58:21,630
Sure, or if you want to know that we have a place?

5244
06:58:21,850 --> 06:58:22,690
Sure, the zoning?

5245
06:58:22,950 --> 06:58:29,830
Well, that was part of it, that was part of it, that was part of it.

5246
06:58:30,690 --> 06:58:34,870
Okay, so listen, this is why I'm not for the zoning change.

5247
06:58:36,090 --> 06:58:40,610
For one, I do think that there are health concerns that we're not sure of yet.

5248
06:58:40,610 --> 06:58:49,430
If anybody's done any research about data centers, you just Google, health concerns with data centers, the list is long, right?

5249
06:58:49,730 --> 06:59:02,310
So I feel like until we are more certain about what the implications, the repercussions will be with animals, with the air quality.

5250
06:59:02,310 --> 06:59:09,530
I think that we don't have any business approving the zoning change, because like Commissioner Agna has made clear,

5251
06:59:09,810 --> 06:59:17,590
it is clear that a data center is going to go there. If this goes through and if Council approves, both the PSA open and the zoning change,

5252
06:59:17,910 --> 06:59:22,570
then the data center will go there. So, in effect, Commissioner Agna was correct.

5253
06:59:23,050 --> 06:59:29,310
We are voting on whether or not we want to allow a data center, right? So health concerns are big for me.

5254
06:59:29,310 --> 06:59:36,430
Another, as you know, as I've said, I think that we're improper to go ahead and vote on this because the one your wait period has not occurred.

5255
06:59:37,210 --> 06:59:42,390
I also see this as spot zoning and let me just read a little bit about spot zoning.

5256
06:59:43,030 --> 06:59:44,010
So spot zoning.

5257
06:59:47,210 --> 06:59:48,090
Let's see.

5258
06:59:48,430 --> 06:59:52,190
Let's see. Let me get back to the spot zoning page.

5259
06:59:53,940 --> 06:59:55,520
Maybe I should just, yeah.

5260
06:59:55,520 --> 06:59:59,980
So Spock's owning a curse when a city council, I know that we're not city council.

5261
07:00:00,000 --> 07:00:12,000
But remember, we recommend a city council. So spot zoning occurs when a city council, where you could say a planning and zoning commission, this regards its comprehensive zoning ordinance.

5262
07:00:14,220 --> 07:00:26,720
And I feel like that's what we would be doing. I just feel like we would be going against what citizen input has helped staff create in our land of development code.

5263
07:00:28,190 --> 07:00:30,010
I think that's going to be a great question.

5264
07:00:31,270 --> 07:00:36,990
Okay, first of all, let me comment, the paperwork that I'm talking about, when I said

5265
07:00:36,990 --> 07:00:42,770
that we received letters, they're the letters that have sent to us that people send in

5266
07:00:42,770 --> 07:00:44,090
and we all have them.

5267
07:00:44,350 --> 07:00:48,330
So it's not that people contacted us directly.

5268
07:00:48,810 --> 07:00:55,810
I don't know how people couldn't contact us because any information that we got, we got

5269
07:00:55,810 --> 07:00:56,390
from staff.

5270
07:00:56,390 --> 07:01:02,250
We didn't get it from the outside or anything like that. So I just want to make that clear

5271
07:01:06,120 --> 07:01:08,020
We are listening

5272
07:01:09,360 --> 07:01:18,940
My vote on a lot of this had to do with cloud burst with no regulations. That type of thing

5273
07:01:18,940 --> 07:01:25,110
I said you're very first meeting was another meeting just like this

5274
07:01:25,770 --> 07:01:33,110
And it was another big project, what is an out, um, near-marked-and-dale, or terminal, smart terminal.

5275
07:01:33,730 --> 07:01:39,930
If you go out there and you look at smart terminal now, it's a cluster, it's horrible.

5276
07:01:40,710 --> 07:01:42,590
Because they have no regulations.

5277
07:01:43,870 --> 07:01:50,530
So, I only voted my conscious in what I thought would be better in the long run for the citizens

5278
07:01:50,530 --> 07:01:57,550
to be able to have some type of regulation period. That's why. Now,

5279
07:01:59,590 --> 07:02:01,790
I'll save my question

5280
07:02:01,790 --> 07:02:03,630
for staff after you'll.

5281
07:02:03,830 --> 07:02:04,370
Chris Wagner.

5282
07:02:04,970 --> 07:02:09,870
Yeah, I just, I mean, my reasons are a little simpler than Commissioner Minks, but I want

5283
07:02:09,870 --> 07:02:15,510
to just, I'm going to vote to deny the zone and change. I just want to explain why.

5284
07:02:16,190 --> 07:02:21,150
One, which is probably not my main reason, but I did vote to deny the preferred scenario

5285
07:02:21,150 --> 07:02:33,450
And somehow, although it's a little tricky to think about, it seems kind of inconsistent to vote for the zoning change if I didn't vote for the preferred scenario amendment because in my mind, they're pretty much part of the same thing.

5286
07:02:33,790 --> 07:02:43,810
But the bigger issue on the zoning change is that I could really only vote, even if there had been no preferred scenario amendment involved in this whole process.

5287
07:02:43,810 --> 07:02:52,350
I could only vote for the zoning change if I was satisfied with what I saw in the restrictive

5288
07:02:52,350 --> 07:02:53,190
covenants.

5289
07:02:53,970 --> 07:02:58,570
And obviously I have a lot of issues with the restrictive covenants, some of which are important

5290
07:02:58,570 --> 07:03:05,150
to me and one of which applies to a couple of which apply to water usage, which is a critical

5291
07:03:05,150 --> 07:03:09,270
issue to so many people on this, which we barely discussed, if at all, frankly,

5292
07:03:11,310 --> 07:03:12,350
but without

5293
07:03:12,350 --> 07:03:35,510
I'm not restrictive competence that I'm comfortable with, I can't vote for the zoning change and it's not possible under the circumstances for me to have restrictive confidence I can be comfortable with because that has to get done by city council messing the future so in that case I'm just not comfortable voting for the zoning change right now and I don't intend to so that's where I'm coming from.

5294
07:03:36,950 --> 07:03:37,170
President.

5295
07:03:37,930 --> 07:03:38,650
Good question.

5296
07:03:39,670 --> 07:03:40,470
For staff.

5297
07:03:41,130 --> 07:03:48,450
Why is it not compatible with the complaint that staff would commit partial?

5298
07:03:51,530 --> 07:03:55,510
So for this existing proposal.

5299
07:03:56,190 --> 07:03:57,550
So I think there's two conditions.

5300
07:03:58,270 --> 07:04:03,310
So this recommendation is contingent upon the approval of the preferred scenario amendment.

5301
07:04:03,590 --> 07:04:06,310
It was I guess two lines in that slide.

5302
07:04:06,310 --> 07:04:17,330
If it's not, if the preferred scenario amendment is not approved, then that recommendation would not hold any weight.

5303
07:04:17,530 --> 07:04:18,490
Does that make sense?

5304
07:04:18,670 --> 07:04:23,310
Are you saying that as it goes to recommended up, or are you saying that?

5305
07:04:23,790 --> 07:04:26,690
Can someone pull up the recommendations later?

5306
07:04:27,190 --> 07:04:34,850
And I think the whole point is that's why you have a preferred scenario amendment,

5307
07:04:34,850 --> 07:04:40,810
So that the zoning request could be compatible to the plan, but it's your correct.

5308
07:04:40,930 --> 07:04:45,430
It's not currently compatible unless an amendment to the preferred scenario map occurs.

5309
07:04:46,230 --> 07:04:48,310
So that's, I don't know if that's kind of what you're in that.

5310
07:04:49,190 --> 07:04:59,810
And that's the CD-1 buffer specifically, I think, is really in order to mitigate the impact or to a point, mitigate.

5311
07:05:00,000 --> 07:05:11,560
Some of the impacts of the proposed zoning, where you have, you know, kind of small, a couple of small residential lots that are already there in the ATJ, that was the purpose.

5312
07:05:15,700 --> 07:05:18,420
I was going to ask staff that we could pull that nap up.

5313
07:05:19,020 --> 07:05:19,640
So my understanding.

5314
07:05:19,820 --> 07:05:29,420
So CD1 in general is about as close to empty ground as we tend to have for the city and

5315
07:05:29,420 --> 07:05:35,180
so the idea is that these properties here and I do want to confirm the applicant is immunable

5316
07:05:35,180 --> 07:05:35,600
to this.

5317
07:05:36,360 --> 07:05:41,480
You know, this is something the applicant will accept that this buffer would have to go

5318
07:05:41,480 --> 07:05:45,320
place as tied to the, as tied to the zoning.

5319
07:05:47,020 --> 07:05:49,980
The, they have told me yes, they're nodding. I don't know if you want to read it to

5320
07:05:49,980 --> 07:05:55,700
the record. I think I'll take a nod and it's good enough, but that's, but that's, that's

5321
07:05:55,700 --> 07:06:01,200
why that's a condition there is to try and create a buffer between these properties

5322
07:06:01,200 --> 07:06:04,080
because these are pretty existing. And these are not the city limits that correct?

5323
07:06:04,360 --> 07:06:06,400
No, they are all outside the city limits.

5324
07:06:06,580 --> 07:06:07,940
Okay. Thank you.

5325
07:06:11,040 --> 07:06:20,680
Let me just go again to when we make a zoning change, how should zoning be done, right?

5326
07:06:21,020 --> 07:06:25,540
So zoning must be compliant with the approved comprehensive plan.

5327
07:06:26,040 --> 07:06:34,920
And it's not, but the asking is not unless the PSA is done, but I would say number one, it doesn't mean it's not compliant with an approved comprehensive plan.

5328
07:06:34,920 --> 07:06:41,920
Secondly, must be applied uniformly, meaning not part of some special side deal.

5329
07:06:42,080 --> 07:06:47,040
You know that I believe that this qualifies the spot zoning, so this isn't being applied

5330
07:06:47,040 --> 07:06:48,860
uniformly, all right?

5331
07:06:49,300 --> 07:06:55,220
And then the third part is, must meet and follow the requirements of the city code, including

5332
07:06:55,220 --> 07:07:00,420
procedural requirements, which, again, you know, that I think it has not been.

5333
07:07:00,420 --> 07:07:05,420
So just giving you reasons why I think this clearly should be voted against.

5334
07:07:06,400 --> 07:07:08,420
I need to take that page away from you.

5335
07:07:09,360 --> 07:07:10,260
Commissioner Costilla.

5336
07:07:11,400 --> 07:07:20,280
If you think one, and I understand that we have no input on the restrictive covenant.

5337
07:07:20,520 --> 07:07:23,740
So I just kind of want this one on the record for council.

5338
07:07:25,100 --> 07:07:28,740
Something that really stuck out for me was a citizen.

5339
07:07:28,740 --> 07:07:33,200
And I apologize if I forgot your name, but if you're still here,

5340
07:07:34,620 --> 07:07:41,610
the monitoring, the animal and human health, I don't know how feasible that is,

5341
07:07:41,790 --> 07:07:49,230
but I think that is something that, for me, would be a no-brainer to be put in the restrictive covenant,

5342
07:07:49,950 --> 07:07:54,150
so my colleagues at Council, I really hope that you take a look at that.

5343
07:07:54,150 --> 07:08:01,690
I share the same concern regarding who is monitoring this as Commissioner Agnew stated.

5344
07:08:03,410 --> 07:08:12,050
So again, I hope my colleagues up above will get definitive answers of that.

5345
07:08:13,070 --> 07:08:18,370
And then my last point is just more of a comment and really no questions.

5346
07:08:18,370 --> 07:08:26,990
I've asked quite a few questions at last meeting and I'm having last meeting but I don't want

5347
07:08:26,990 --> 07:08:30,850
to keep meeting a dead horse, maybe that's not the right analogy to use right now.

5348
07:08:32,110 --> 07:08:32,910
But commissioner,

5349
07:08:35,210 --> 07:08:39,570
spell, kind of set it best for me and I apologize if I'm not articulating

5350
07:08:40,150 --> 07:08:43,290
this as thoroughly, I know it's all late for everybody.

5351
07:08:44,290 --> 07:08:50,870
But this, for me, personally, regardless of what decision this is not an easy decision,

5352
07:08:51,790 --> 07:08:52,470
it is not.

5353
07:08:52,550 --> 07:08:58,830
I don't envy our position, I don't envy Council at the end of the day, like I said,

5354
07:08:58,950 --> 07:09:00,530
this is just not an easy decision.

5355
07:09:01,390 --> 07:09:10,290
For me, what I've taken into account is a lot of the citizens comment regarding, of course,

5356
07:09:10,290 --> 07:09:14,930
utility usage and the impacts of what this could and could not have on health.

5357
07:09:15,850 --> 07:09:22,030
Well, for me, I don't want to, if we're going back and forth on, if we're considering

5358
07:09:22,030 --> 07:09:27,710
400 homes, 500 homes, or another data center that would have no regulations.

5359
07:09:28,290 --> 07:09:35,530
I mean, I'm trying to think of the devil that I would pick from, but I couldn't go to bed

5360
07:09:35,530 --> 07:09:44,170
night thinking that I put a family next to a power plant, I think that's, I don't think

5361
07:09:44,170 --> 07:09:48,750
that's feasible for me and we're all entitled to our own opinions here.

5362
07:09:49,230 --> 07:09:54,170
Secondly, if, you know, there's all these words of what can happen, what if this

5363
07:09:54,170 --> 07:09:59,630
status center does go to the county, we have no regulations on that and that's something

5364
07:10:01,080 --> 07:10:09,280
A lot throughout this. And that's something I've taken into consideration. Our city has a most stringent

5365
07:10:09,280 --> 07:10:19,120
codes in place. And to say that, to have the opportunity or to risk that for it to go to the county, and

5366
07:10:19,120 --> 07:10:25,900
there's been comments made by our elected officials that said, hey, we have no say, that's,

5367
07:10:29,980 --> 07:10:29,980
that

5368
07:10:29,980 --> 07:10:34,620
But for me, I mean there's meant that this has not been an easy decision and still

5369
07:10:34,620 --> 07:10:39,000
isn't, but I just wanted to say my two cents regarding that.

5370
07:10:41,440 --> 07:10:42,240
Any further discussion?

5371
07:10:46,660 --> 07:10:53,840
I think tonight, I don't think any of us knew how we were going to vote until the vote happened.

5372
07:11:23,640 --> 07:11:23,820
But for me, when Abigail Lindsey got up and she spoke about how bad

5373
07:11:23,820 --> 07:11:26,880
Please, I apologize, we just apologize.

5374
07:11:29,760 --> 07:11:31,020
OK, you all ready to vote?

5375
07:11:32,120 --> 07:11:36,340
Can you say, I just want to comment on what Mr. Burlson said.

5376
07:11:39,510 --> 07:11:43,170
And unlike some other things we've dealt with, in this case,

5377
07:11:43,990 --> 07:11:46,270
the applicant didn't have the option to develop that

5378
07:11:46,270 --> 07:11:48,330
of the county out of the city.

5379
07:11:48,750 --> 07:11:51,150
He had already, you know, his property's already been announced.

5380
07:11:51,730 --> 07:11:53,270
So it's not like some other things.

5381
07:11:53,270 --> 07:11:58,310
So, I don't think that was really an option to worry about, but for where would that work?

5382
07:11:59,810 --> 07:11:59,910
Okay.

5383
07:12:02,860 --> 07:12:04,180
You're ready to vote?

5384
07:12:04,960 --> 07:12:05,740
We'll call vote, please.

5385
07:12:06,020 --> 07:12:06,240
Sure.

5386
07:12:06,520 --> 07:12:07,060
Griffin, Spill.

5387
07:12:10,200 --> 07:12:10,480
Hi.

5388
07:12:11,900 --> 07:12:12,060
All right.

5389
07:12:12,140 --> 07:12:12,440
Have you been notified?

5390
07:12:15,980 --> 07:12:16,800
Were you making any?

5391
07:12:18,100 --> 07:12:19,140
Shall we roll this in?

5392
07:12:19,400 --> 07:12:19,840
I.

5393
07:12:20,760 --> 07:12:21,320
The David Case.

5394
07:12:21,520 --> 07:12:21,800
Hi.

5395
07:12:22,660 --> 07:12:23,320
Would you be close to you?

5396
07:12:23,480 --> 07:12:23,780
Hi.

5397
07:12:24,380 --> 07:12:24,940
All right, done.

5398
07:12:25,180 --> 07:12:25,460
Hi.

5399
07:12:26,320 --> 07:12:26,960
Amy Meeks?

5400
07:12:27,120 --> 07:12:27,420
No.

5401
07:12:27,420 --> 07:12:30,700
The motion to recommend approval passes, six to two.

5402
07:12:36,760 --> 07:12:41,500
There's now brings us to questions and answer session with the press and public.

5403
07:12:43,720 --> 07:12:45,280
Oh, my goodness.

5404
07:12:48,750 --> 07:12:51,290
I'll see you next time, okay, we haven't had this in a while.

5405
07:12:51,510 --> 07:12:55,190
The commission staff may respond to questions related to items on such agenda.

5406
07:12:55,630 --> 07:12:57,590
You do not have to respond, you can't deflect.

5407
07:12:58,790 --> 07:13:02,250
Is there anyone that chamber who wishes to ask a question?

5408
07:13:03,390 --> 07:13:09,670
And my name again, yes, Secretary Tindul is 614 Martin Luther King Drive, Sam Marcus Texas.

5409
07:13:10,150 --> 07:13:16,450
I'm sorry, I'm missing something. Why do you all think that this, that approving this is going to stop more stop air

5410
07:13:16,450 --> 07:13:23,490
cop from approving more? Everything that I have heard, everything that I've read, doesn't imply that this isn't going to be one

5411
07:13:23,490 --> 07:13:24,270
less than the count.

5412
07:13:26,760 --> 07:13:30,280
So, this is question and answer, are you all going to answer? How does this work?

5413
07:13:30,280 --> 07:13:31,800
I'm not going to answer.

5414
07:13:32,580 --> 07:13:32,820
Okay.

5415
07:13:33,800 --> 07:13:34,700
Mr. Spell.

5416
07:13:35,180 --> 07:13:35,420
Please.

5417
07:13:36,920 --> 07:13:38,360
I'm not an expert on this.

5418
07:13:38,540 --> 07:13:39,820
I can give you my thought press also.

5419
07:13:40,940 --> 07:13:41,800
I'm not an expert on this.

5420
07:13:41,800 --> 07:13:43,340
I give my thought process if you're asking.

5421
07:13:44,040 --> 07:13:45,280
Which I think you are.

5422
07:13:46,460 --> 07:13:48,640
Urgot has internal measures to do.

5423
07:13:48,640 --> 07:13:51,120
I have not seen about great capacity.

5424
07:13:51,740 --> 07:13:57,280
How many, how many watts can we take out of the grid before the grid runs out of power?

5425
07:13:57,280 --> 07:14:02,560
based on the current capacity of electric plants that are currently in production and expected to go online in the future.

5426
07:14:03,480 --> 07:14:11,500
For facilities that are built, and my best guess, and I do not know, and I am not an expert.

5427
07:14:13,020 --> 07:14:19,420
But they probably have internal measurements of, well, we expect this area is going to have room for amounts of watts in the future.

5428
07:14:20,460 --> 07:14:30,760
And my belief is that if there's something that gets built in the city limits, then that number goes down, and if it's good, I said it went to it also goes down.

5429
07:14:31,220 --> 07:14:48,220
Surely that there's, this is a sliding scale of what the grid is going to be able to accommodate, as the people on Mayberry's team said that as the developers, as the data centers come in, then the grid is supposed to grow to accommodate it.

5430
07:14:48,220 --> 07:14:50,780
That's what the applicants themselves said.

5431
07:14:51,560 --> 07:14:52,860
So this is a sliding scale.

5432
07:14:53,400 --> 07:14:58,300
This doesn't make sense that having one more data center here

5433
07:14:58,300 --> 07:14:59,960
is going to mean less, one less data center.

5434
07:15:00,000 --> 07:15:05,500
I apologize. I don't think you're going to get the answer that you want. I don't think you're going to get the answer.

5435
07:15:07,140 --> 07:15:11,400
This was the main reason a few of you all voted for this. You must have an answer.

5436
07:15:17,740 --> 07:15:19,060
It's not a back and forth debate.

5437
07:15:19,060 --> 07:15:20,880
I got it.

5438
07:15:21,160 --> 07:15:21,560
Not from

5439
07:15:24,120 --> 07:15:25,340
what?

5440
07:15:26,660 --> 07:15:26,960
All right.

5441
07:15:27,020 --> 07:15:28,060
Can I get a motion to adjourn?

5442
07:15:29,180 --> 07:15:32,080
Can I get a motion to adjourn?

5443
07:15:32,220 --> 07:15:33,620
Am I allowed to get a motion to adjourn?

5444
07:15:33,740 --> 07:15:34,720
Can we do that, Sam?

5445
07:15:35,100 --> 07:15:36,800
If there's still people wanting to ask questions?

5446
07:15:37,060 --> 07:15:39,920
It's up to the commission, but I do want to clarify.

5447
07:15:39,920 --> 07:15:44,160
it's not because of the open music when it's not a debate and I was

5448
07:15:44,160 --> 07:15:48,920
thinking to keep in mind the record on the hearing was the vote and now

5449
07:15:48,920 --> 07:15:53,580
you're being asked to provide after the fact motivations it's actually if you

5450
07:15:53,580 --> 07:15:57,380
want to answer but you can also there's no requirement to answer here you can

5451
07:15:57,380 --> 07:16:01,040
provide follow-up information and things like that that may be not a

5452
07:16:01,040 --> 07:16:05,380
mandate to you it's not a mandate that there be a debate yeah I think if I

5453
07:16:05,380 --> 07:16:07,600
We'll put together some comments out to the facts.

5454
07:16:08,720 --> 07:16:12,640
It's almost to a, I think it's better for me

5455
07:16:12,640 --> 07:16:15,060
than, well, I shouldn't do what they want.

5456
07:16:20,550 --> 07:16:23,790
The fact that you brought up Abigail as reasoning,

5457
07:16:24,390 --> 07:16:26,610
sorry, Saunders, the same marks.

5458
07:16:27,010 --> 07:16:28,910
Michelle, the fact that you brought up Abigail

5459
07:16:28,910 --> 07:16:32,390
as you're reasoning for voting in favor of this.

5460
07:16:32,590 --> 07:16:36,830
We're bringing her up, meaning you literally brought her up.

5461
07:16:36,830 --> 07:16:41,450
I brought her up to, to, to, to, to be her comment.

5462
07:16:42,070 --> 07:16:47,690
Regardless, regardless, regardless, if she had been here to hear that, she would have just broken down.

5463
07:16:47,730 --> 07:16:52,130
I know her very well. She's good friend of mine. That would have sent her into a panic attack.

5464
07:16:52,230 --> 07:16:56,950
She would be like screaming and crying about that that you used her as justification.

5465
07:16:57,470 --> 07:17:04,610
That's not justification. Her comments, what she said was already something that totally bothered me,

5466
07:17:04,610 --> 07:17:12,590
to think that we could have something of this magnitude to be out there without any regulation would so

5467
07:17:12,590 --> 07:17:12,950
effort.

5468
07:17:13,070 --> 07:17:14,190
Yeah, but now we get both.

5469
07:17:14,570 --> 07:17:15,330
Thank you.

5470
07:17:18,940 --> 07:17:19,740
I'm curious.

5471
07:17:21,620 --> 07:17:28,320
Why when Mr. Mayberry came up here and answered Ms. Meeks's question, Mr. Meeks, and asked,

5472
07:17:29,000 --> 07:17:33,300
hey, would you, Mr. Mayberry go back to building housing if this failed?

5473
07:17:33,300 --> 07:17:38,800
He said yes and yet with it fails. He said I'm going to keep forcing this issue

5474
07:17:38,800 --> 07:17:45,820
So I won't curious why you all chose to believe somebody that would lie openly to your face and

5475
07:17:45,820 --> 07:17:46,440
secondly

5476
07:17:48,400 --> 07:17:55,220
When why again as I said earlier now that you have a chance to respond and Mr. Spell I appreciate you going out on a limb and engaging with that

5477
07:17:55,220 --> 07:17:57,280
I know we responded pretty drastically

5478
07:17:57,920 --> 07:18:01,320
I will take four-sponsibility. We're full of a lot of emotions

5479
07:18:02,500 --> 07:18:06,320
But, yes, you get it, you've been on the other side of these frustrating situations.

5480
07:18:07,520 --> 07:18:10,360
So, but none of you won't ask that question.

5481
07:18:10,760 --> 07:18:14,580
Commissioner Burlison, if that was your fear, where was that question for staff?

5482
07:18:15,240 --> 07:18:19,680
For the thing about the SP6, why did you not ask staff?

5483
07:18:19,940 --> 07:18:20,860
You asked him a turning.

5484
07:18:21,160 --> 07:18:25,620
He doesn't know anything about SP6 until something has to be litigated about it.

5485
07:18:25,620 --> 07:18:29,660
So, all of you that voted, yes, I would appreciate,

5486
07:18:30,260 --> 07:18:33,480
and we all would like to better understand why, again,

5487
07:18:33,540 --> 07:18:37,580
youth thought it to basically sole part of your decision

5488
07:18:37,580 --> 07:18:40,260
on this, well, we might get one or both

5489
07:18:40,260 --> 07:18:42,400
when you could have asked to clarify Tyler.

5490
07:18:42,400 --> 07:18:45,100
Your fourth was here, like I have it spewed the numbers

5491
07:18:45,100 --> 07:18:46,880
about all the impacts that these things

5492
07:18:46,880 --> 07:18:49,220
have on our electric grid, you didn't ask.

5493
07:18:49,840 --> 07:18:51,960
And I get that there was a lot of conversation

5494
07:18:51,960 --> 07:18:55,600
Mr. Ridey Go Notaker, you said very similar thing,

5495
07:18:55,600 --> 07:18:58,960
about like, well, you know, it's going to go up to Council, but we don't want to advocate

5496
07:18:58,960 --> 07:19:02,500
all of our responsibilities and asking these questions and how important all these questions

5497
07:19:02,500 --> 07:19:04,720
are to letting them get it right upstairs.

5498
07:19:06,780 --> 07:19:08,560
Why not ask them now? It was in your purview.

5499
07:19:10,200 --> 07:19:17,380
I would out of respect for this process and to help any of us want to continue to advocate for

5500
07:19:17,380 --> 07:19:22,540
people to show up here. We need answers. Without that,

5501
07:19:24,880 --> 07:19:26,440
I guess you all will continue to elect your

5502
07:19:26,440 --> 07:19:33,260
friends. I don't know. So any answers from anybody? Yes, this is not. I appreciate it.

5503
07:19:33,660 --> 07:19:37,820
Going back when I said earlier, there is in the packet, a newspaper article in the

5504
07:19:37,820 --> 07:19:42,160
American States that I was going to call it at one point. I ended up not doing so, but it is an

5505
07:19:42,160 --> 07:19:48,760
area here. It is an interview from the ERCOTC, ERCOTC, no data scenarios. I think it's a little

5506
07:19:48,760 --> 07:19:57,160
of the SSH was headline, but it does talk a bit about shutting innocenters off completely if there

5507
07:19:57,160 --> 07:19:59,980
is a power situation like we had with the...

5508
07:20:00,880 --> 07:20:07,320
That's a standard that argument can basically telling you everything is equal to 8.UN and we have a legal bill, because that's a standard that already exists in Texas for petrokin plants.

5509
07:20:07,940 --> 07:20:16,460
They can stay government, can basically tell them, we need the power, you turn off your generators, you turn off your facility to the, to a bare minimum or even completely off.

5510
07:20:16,480 --> 07:20:19,360
Right, and that is something that is, you know, that is not, that's essentially isn't our packet.

5511
07:20:19,700 --> 07:20:25,440
Right. That being different from weather or not to data center, skin be built. That's the question.

5512
07:20:25,980 --> 07:20:29,980
And that identified your reasons to vote for it. And at the same time, you're very, very important to understand how we're doing in a way in which you're looking for and that's very important.

5513
07:20:29,980 --> 07:20:32,500
was not asked of whether two could still be built.

5514
07:20:33,020 --> 07:20:36,060
And whether we're going to just be doubly in trouble or not.

5515
07:20:36,520 --> 07:20:37,700
So I realize I'm over my time.

5516
07:20:37,740 --> 07:20:39,360
Thank you.

5517
07:20:39,520 --> 07:20:40,760
Mary, a little field divine.

5518
07:20:41,720 --> 07:20:46,820
So I've previously commented about the short time frames,

5519
07:20:46,900 --> 07:20:51,380
whether it's been six months for renewal of an application

5520
07:20:51,380 --> 07:20:54,680
or a year, and a hopeful understanding of that.

5521
07:20:54,700 --> 07:20:58,200
But I heard both quoted tonight and its city council meeting

5522
07:20:58,200 --> 07:21:00,360
where these roles were denied.

5523
07:21:01,420 --> 07:21:05,400
So from ethics perspective, creating a short timeline

5524
07:21:05,920 --> 07:21:09,560
and creating an imaginary enemy or triangulation

5525
07:21:09,560 --> 07:21:14,460
like hypothetical, other site, other out of bounds,

5526
07:21:15,080 --> 07:21:17,960
out of regulation, data center coming in,

5527
07:21:18,000 --> 07:21:23,200
and the short timeline and the hypothetical enemy,

5528
07:21:24,880 --> 07:21:27,700
that all increases the risk of ethical blindness,

5529
07:21:27,700 --> 07:21:33,040
because the decision making is rushed, and it's also in part based on an imaginary threat.

5530
07:21:33,500 --> 07:21:37,240
So I want to know why is that a culture, why is that part of the culture of this committee?

5531
07:21:40,620 --> 07:21:41,360
That's okay.

5532
07:21:43,670 --> 07:21:51,510
Because I'll tell you I served as an ethics mentor on Coursera for the course on ethical decision making

5533
07:21:51,510 --> 07:21:54,290
in organizations through the University of Los Angeles.

5534
07:21:55,330 --> 07:21:55,930
I

5535
07:22:05,690 --> 07:22:05,990
apologize.

5536
07:22:06,250 --> 07:22:07,070
I don't have an answer.

5537
07:22:08,510 --> 07:22:08,990
That's a good one.

5538
07:22:08,990 --> 07:22:10,030
That's a good one.

5539
07:22:11,730 --> 07:22:12,330
That's a good one.

5540
07:22:12,330 --> 07:22:12,350
That's a good one.

5541
07:22:12,350 --> 07:22:22,310
Well, I feel obligated to say I do try to work ethically, and I do try to consider all the important

5542
07:22:22,310 --> 07:22:26,470
points when I'm coming to my own decision, my own conclusion.

5543
07:22:27,630 --> 07:22:29,430
I can only speak for me.

5544
07:22:29,430 --> 07:22:35,110
So, um, you know, I'm open to feedback if you guys think that I miss something.

5545
07:22:35,370 --> 07:22:36,510
I think you did great.

5546
07:22:36,630 --> 07:22:37,750
Well, thank you.

5547
07:22:37,870 --> 07:22:38,190
I tried.

5548
07:22:39,030 --> 07:22:39,650
I think you did great.

5549
07:22:39,650 --> 07:22:44,290
I've done like the overall culture of the board and I appreciate your insights very deeply

5550
07:22:44,290 --> 07:22:44,750
greatly.

5551
07:22:45,190 --> 07:22:46,330
Thank you.

5552
07:22:48,990 --> 07:22:51,350
The comments from the board from the committee.

5553
07:22:53,920 --> 07:22:56,580
So it's just the way things are around here.

5554
07:22:57,020 --> 07:22:59,060
That's a, that's a toxic safety culture.

5555
07:22:59,080 --> 07:22:59,840
I'm not a lawyer.

5556
07:23:00,860 --> 07:23:01,900
Sam McGurier is.

5557
07:23:05,700 --> 07:23:08,660
What do you want us to question you to come to the company?

5558
07:23:09,340 --> 07:23:10,140
Do you ask the questions?

5559
07:23:12,220 --> 07:23:13,080
Gene, I'm flipping.

5560
07:23:14,380 --> 07:23:16,560
My question is for our Commissioner of Urlison.

5561
07:23:19,090 --> 07:23:27,470
I'm trying to understand, can you tell me what were the developers doing on cloud-verse property

5562
07:23:27,470 --> 07:23:34,750
that you saw the city of San Marcos would have the ability to regulate?

5563
07:23:34,750 --> 07:23:35,470
What

5564
07:23:38,920 --> 07:23:48,900
I was saying is that when Abigail Lindsay stood up there and she talked about how it was just a mess out there

5565
07:23:48,900 --> 07:23:55,180
The noise is that was something that I think is in there that the city could regulate

5566
07:23:55,180 --> 07:24:01,380
She's talking about them being woken up in the middle of the night and different alarms things like that

5567
07:24:01,380 --> 07:24:15,320
Those that type of thing is alarming to me and so that was something that just, it stood out when she started talking about it, I thought, okay, we could do a lot better than that.

5568
07:24:17,480 --> 07:24:25,340
Well, she was talking about, this is the construction phase, this isn't like the decibel limits on a data center, there's no data center there yet.

5569
07:24:25,340 --> 07:24:39,740
So, so what regulations do you think the City of Santa Marcos is going to put into place so that there won't be noise during construction?

5570
07:24:41,920 --> 07:24:52,140
She just started talking about noise and I just responded to that. That was a trigger because that's something that everyone's been talking about.

5571
07:24:52,880 --> 07:24:59,200
It's just no regulation because this is the difference, I think we're really triggered it.

5572
07:25:00,000 --> 07:25:16,360
Is nobody knows what they're doing, how they're doing it? Do you know how much water they're using? Has anyone had the opportunity to have this type of a forum to come, ask questions, whether you believe them or not?

5573
07:25:16,360 --> 07:25:27,220
But at least you had the ability to come, to ask questions, to give input, for us to try to make things a better, you know,

5574
07:25:27,280 --> 07:25:33,620
put things in a restricted covenant or give a recommendation to do that because we don't have control over that.

5575
07:25:35,020 --> 07:25:38,100
Those are the things that I'm talking about.

5576
07:25:38,860 --> 07:25:43,560
Is that at least there would be a conversation.

5577
07:25:43,560 --> 07:25:50,640
If there's a problem that people that live their notice and they come complaining to the city,

5578
07:25:51,060 --> 07:25:58,920
but we have practices in place that could handle that or could mitigate that, then that would be a much better situation.

5579
07:25:59,360 --> 07:26:00,340
That's all I'm saying.

5580
07:26:00,740 --> 07:26:06,460
What regulations could we put in place that would limit the energy usage?

5581
07:26:08,090 --> 07:26:09,850
I'm not sure.

5582
07:26:10,250 --> 07:26:14,650
I mean, it's the things that they're saying that they're only going to use so much energy.

5583
07:26:15,550 --> 07:26:23,210
And if it's in the restricted covenant that they could not use more than that, then that would be something to restrict it.

5584
07:26:23,210 --> 07:26:24,070
Just like water.

5585
07:26:25,210 --> 07:26:28,810
And again, we can answer, it's going to be provided out for the meeting.

5586
07:26:28,890 --> 07:26:32,710
And really, the rules aren't to have a continuing debate.

5587
07:26:32,710 --> 07:26:39,510
It primarily because the open meeting sacked secondly because the action was already taken by the commission,

5588
07:26:42,650 --> 07:26:42,650
but

5589
07:26:42,650 --> 07:26:47,350
anyways, I think you already spoke, did you already ask previously sir?

5590
07:26:47,450 --> 07:26:48,630
Or am I mistaken?

5591
07:26:49,830 --> 07:26:50,830
No, I'm not.

5592
07:26:50,830 --> 07:26:51,410
No, I'm not.

5593
07:27:01,020 --> 07:27:01,960
No, I'm not.

5594
07:27:02,420 --> 07:27:03,540
We're not doing the role call.

5595
07:27:03,840 --> 07:27:04,080
All of that.

5596
07:27:04,180 --> 07:27:04,760
Are we ready if I enter?

5597
07:27:05,200 --> 07:27:05,780
All right.

5598
07:27:05,900 --> 07:27:06,260
Thank you.

5599
07:27:06,260 --> 07:27:08,200
William Agmin?

5600
07:27:08,360 --> 07:27:08,800
All right.

5601
07:27:08,820 --> 07:27:09,340
Shall we listen?

5602
07:27:10,500 --> 07:27:11,200
David Cace?

5603
07:27:11,240 --> 07:27:11,500
All right.

5604
07:27:11,620 --> 07:27:12,580
Lippico Cia?

5605
07:27:13,060 --> 07:27:13,420
All right, done.

5606
07:27:14,080 --> 07:27:14,200
Amy?

5607
07:27:14,540 --> 07:27:14,880
Hi.

5608
07:27:15,340 --> 07:27:15,720
Griffin Spell?

5609
07:27:16,200 --> 07:27:17,880
We were adjourned at 203 AM.