[0:06] >> good evening. I'd like to call tonight's [0:08] meeting of the san mateo planning commission to order. [0:18] [pledge of allegiance]. [0:38] >> can we have rollcall, please. [0:42] >> commissioner romaro. [0:44] >> present. [0:45] >> commissioner ellen mallory? [0:48] >> present. [0:49] >> chair, diane whitaker. [0:52] >> here. [0:55] >> thank you. [0:56] on the consent calendar for this evening we [0:57] have two sets of minutes. The first one is the march [1:02] 12th 2019 planning commission meeting, and then the [1:05] second one is the march 26th 2019 planning commission [1:10] meeting which that one we will be holding over to our [1:16] next meeting on april 23rd but do I have any additions [1:21] or corrections to the march 12th minutes? Nope? Okay. [1:28] could I have a motion, please? [1:30] >> I motion that we approve the minutes of [1:34] the march planning commission meeting. [1:36] >> a second? [1:37] >> second. [1:38] >> thank you. All those in favor say aye. [1:44] >> aye. [1:45] >> minutes are approved three zero. [1:50] the next item is the public comment period, [1:53] and this is the opportunity for anyone in the audience [1:57] to address the commission on an item not on tonight's [2:01] agenda. Do we have any speaker slips for the public [2:05] comment period? The general? Nope. Okay. [2:18] is there anyone in the audience who would [2:20] like to address the commission on an item not on [2:24] tonight's agenda? Seeing none we'll close the public [2:28] comment period and move on to our study session tonight. [2:34] this is a study session. There will be no [2:37] vote, but we will be taking input and start with staff [2:40] presentation. [2:42] >> yes thank you, chair. [2:47] so as you mentioned this meeting does serve [2:50] dual purposes for this project tonight. This is the for [2:56] the underground flow equalization system that is part of [3:01] the clean water program that the council has adopted. [3:04] so first of all tonight, the staff will be [3:09] making a presentation regarding both the project and the [3:13] draft eir that's now out for review. Following that [3:21] presentation we will first take questions and comments [3:26] on the project itself. And then following that we will [3:34] take a look at the draft eir intake, and take comments [3:39] from both the commission and the public on the draft [3:43] eir. [3:44] again, there is no decisionmaking tonight. [3:46] this will come back to the planning commission and the [3:49] council at a later time with a site plan review, special [3:58] use permit and a site plan review application. [4:02] the deadline for eir comments if you do not [4:07] make comments on this tonight, you have until may 7th to [4:14] provide written comments, and we'll take them by e-mail, [4:18] and we also have in the lobby on the table at the entry [4:23] there are some cards made up especially for taking [4:27] comments on the draft eir. So we invite you to [4:31] participate in that. And at this time I will turn this [4:36] over to derrick for the presentation. [4:42] >> thank you, richard. [4:44] once again, my name is derrick and I'm the [4:47] engineering manager with public works helping to assist [4:51] with the clean water program. My presentation tonight, I [4:56] will be presenting as well as tom williams our senior [5:01] engineer, but this is our agenda. I'm going to be giving [5:05] an overview of the clean water program, and tom will [5:08] provide some updates specifically about the project, [5:11] which is the underground flow equalization system and [5:16] talk about the sequel process overview and discuss all [5:20] the resource areas addressed in the draft environmental [5:23] impact report and, as richard indicated, go through the [5:27] planning commission to answer any questions related to [5:30] the project of the presentation and lastly, receive [5:33] formal comments on this document. [5:40] so this is the why slide. Why are we here [5:44] today, and why is the clean water program even here? [5:48] whenever there is weather flows the sewer system gets [5:54] inundated, and the capacity gets overwhelmed and the [5:59] sewer overflows occur. [6:01] on the image to the left there all those [6:04] blue dots are either historical sso locations, active [6:09] sso locations or model sso locations, and as a result of [6:14] overflows they spew out of manholes. And this is [6:18] essentially raw sewage, and it spills out on to the [6:22] streets, into the gutters and into the creeks and [6:25] affects our beaches. [6:28] essentially, our san francisco bay and along [6:31] every step of that sewer overflow all those components [6:36] get contaminated. It's gotten to the point where we've [6:40] had to close our beaches and also has gotten to the [6:43] point where the regional quality control board has [6:47] issued permits mandating the elimination and prevention [6:54] of sanitary sewer overflows in our collection system and [6:58] waste water treatment facility. [7:02] because of both of those regulatory drivers [7:05] the clean water program was established to replace the [7:09] agent infrastructure and built a wet weather sewer [7:15] system capacity to prevent these sewer overflows to meet [7:20] current and future regulatory requirements and to align [7:23] with the city of san mateo. And in 2016 the city council [7:30] adopted and certified the environmental impact report, [7:34] and at that same time the city council selected the in [7:38] system storage approach which really culminates where we [7:43] are today and the suggestion of the treatment system [7:48] strategy and this component. [7:50] the clean water program, it has multiple [7:53] projects within it. This is a map of all the pipeline [7:56] projects, and the dots indicate all the pump station [7:59] improvements, and in the upper right where that yellow [8:03] blotch is is the waste water treatment plant. [8:09] multifaceted approach for this clean water [8:13] program is to construct an underground equal flow [8:18] project, and why is the underground project needed? It [8:25] will minimize the cease and desist order to prevent [8:29] sewer overflows and provide system capacity and [8:33] performance and improve safety and reliability of the [8:37] system and relieves discharge of sewage in the bay. And [8:43] because of this selected program approach we don't have [8:46] to build a treatment plant much larger than what it is [8:49] currently being designed for. The fact that we are [8:52] holding capacity upstream in the system with this [8:56] project allows the size of the treatment plan to be much [8:59] smaller. [9:00] the imagery to the left here is at the [9:04] intersection of saratoga and delaware and happens almost [9:08] annually and has been mitigated through our field and [9:12] maintenance crews helping to prevent that and through [9:15] some flow management with our system right now and along [9:20] with improvements in our sewage system that we're [9:23] undertaking. [9:24] now, the impact report also identified 55 [9:30] sites for this facility, for this underground flow [9:35] equalization facility, and these next slides take you [9:41] through the history of how it was selected to be where [9:44] it is today. 55 sites were in the impact report and from [9:49] there it got shortlisted from 55 down to 12 down to six [9:56] down to two to one and the green boxes on the right were [10:00] the areas where we started reaching out to the public [10:03] after we did the environmental along with the technical [10:07] criteria selection and shortlisted it down to six and [10:10] from six all the way to one there were 31 meetings with [10:16] various stakeholders including the city council, various [10:20] commissions, various community meetings and neighborhood [10:24] associations some of which are here today. And I [10:27] recognize people from all these meetings that are [10:30] actually here in the audience today. [10:33] august of 2016 is when we revealed the first [10:39] six or at that time five locations, and then in january [10:44] of 2017 it got shortlisted to the corp yard and event [10:49] center. And at that point we did another alternatives [10:52] analysis that looked at the economic, technical [10:57] consideration and did a matrix to help provide [11:03] information to the city council to make their decision [11:05] on selecting the event center. [11:08] and tom williams here is now going to talk [11:11] about the project. [11:14] >> good evening. Tom williams senior [11:18] engineer with the public works clean water program. [11:20] >> excuse me, can we have the microphone [11:22] turned on, please. [11:26] >> okay. Thank you. Tom williams senior [11:29] engineer with the public works clean water program. [11:35] so, this structure it's in the corner of the [11:40] event center and it's underground. It's about five [11:43] million gallons, 150 to about 200 feet. The way it [11:50] operates is mostly it sits dormant and in dry weather [11:55] other than for maintenance purposes it would just sit [11:59] dormant. [12:01] in a rain event when the sewer has become [12:05] overwhelmed the water begins to divert into the storage [12:10] system, and that's part of a complex operation. It's not [12:14] just the only thing that manages the overflows, but it's [12:17] a key element. So the flow flows into the system, and it [12:23] stays there about 24 hours, and then pumps pump it back [12:28] into the system when the treatment can handle the flow, [12:32] and it flows by gravity into the treatment plant. It has [12:36] continuous odor control, and it also cleans itself [12:43] automatically. When the flow subsides it has an [12:46] automatic flush system that flushes it, and then it will [12:49] get an inspection, and if it needs any additional [12:53] cleaning then it will be done at that time. [12:56] and then it goes back to normal, and it goes [12:59] back to being dormant. It's mostly going to handle with [13:04] wet weather flow that's combines storm water and sewage, [13:09] but sometimes it may hold sewage when it's being used [13:13] for maintenance purposes. We may need to hold some flow [13:17] pump stations worked on or pumps diverted from a force [13:23] main. [13:24] when it's finished, all you'll really see on [13:26] the surface is like the picture on the upper left. [13:31] there will be an airtight hatch, an access hatch to the [13:37] controls and pumps, and it will be flush with the [13:40] surface of the ground, and there will be an electrical [13:44] building, 600 square feet that will have a cnu block [13:49] surface similar to the lower right picture and other [13:54] than that, there will be a couple of events maybe and [13:57] that's all you'll see. [14:00] and then to go with that, there will be some [14:04] pot construction. There will be two 36 diversion pumps [14:10] built in saratoga and delaware, and they will be a part [14:14] of diversion system that diverts flow to this. [14:19] >> thank you, tom. I'd actually like to go [14:21] back a few slides to the layout real quick just to [14:26] provide some context for this. The underground structure [14:30] is on the east corner just as tom indicated, and there [14:34] is the underground structure, the diversion sewer pump [14:38] lines and force mains and the continuous odor structure [14:44] and the pipelines -- excuse me -- pipelines run along [14:49] delaware as well as saratoga and feed into the [14:54] underground structure. [14:56] to the north across saratoga there is a [14:59] sound wall and a channel that separates saratoga from [15:04] the fiesta gardens neighborhood, and to the south [15:08] there's the bay meadows mark and the bay meadows [15:12] neighborhood and to the south there's the train tracks [15:15] and to the southwest there's nova school as well. [15:26] so the other component we are here for [15:30] tonight is the draft environmental impact report, and [15:33] the contents are summarized here. We have the executive [15:37] summary, the summary of the impacts and mitigation [15:40] measures and introduction which includes the background [15:43] objectives for the project and the description [15:47] components, such as the underground structure, the [15:50] pipes, electrical building, etcetera, and of course, [15:53] maintenance construction aspects of this project. [15:58] there is a significant section on the [16:00] environmental resource areas addressed and of course, [16:03] alternatives as well. In terms of the environmental [16:06] resource addressed in the environmental impact report [16:11] this is all of them here. Out of all these, these can [16:20] all be avoided through mitigation measures all with the [16:24] exception of noise and vibration during construction. [16:33] these next few slides are going to really [16:36] highlight some of the comments and concerns that we've [16:39] heard through the public since introducing this project [16:42] in 2016, and also through the comments that we've [16:46] received during the common period so far. One of the [16:51] main concerns is odor control, as tom indicated. We will [16:55] have air tight vaults, which is shown again there in the [16:59] top left. [17:00] the carbon odor scrubbers, which is the [17:03] image to the top right and this is all underground and [17:07] all going to be in the vault. Under the surface is what [17:10] the two images on the bottom will really show. [17:15] these will be covered after we construct the [17:19] facility. You will essentially see what the current use [17:23] is now, which is parking for the event center, and you [17:29] will see the air tight vaults as well, but under the [17:32] parking surface is the flushing curbs, the self-cleaning [17:38] tipping buckets and part of the self cleaning mechanisms [17:41] is to help mitigate odors. Once the facility is used the [17:46] buckets tip, clean the facility, and reduce any odors [17:51] that may linger there. [17:53] in terms of the material being used it is [17:56] highly efficient technology used throughout the [18:00] industry, and these are carbon odor scrubbers, and they [18:08] absorb large massive odors. And three grams of this [18:12] stuff has a surface of a football field, and any odorous [18:16] components stick to it and going back one slide, you can [18:21] see that odor scrubber, that big tank there on the upper [18:25] right, and instead of just three grams we're filling [18:28] that whole thing up. It's going to be a lot of football [18:32] fields that are going to be extracting that odor. [18:35] in terms of construction, we understand that [18:38] construction noise is an issue. These are images to help [18:43] demonstrate what to expect during construction. In the [18:47] bottom left there after excavating, walls will be up [18:52] there and most of the excavation and construction for [18:56] concrete pouring and rebar instillation, etcetera, will [19:00] be drawn in that hole so the shoring walls and the fact [19:04] that it's down in there will be a noise mitigation [19:07] measure all in itself as opposed to constructing much [19:11] taller sound walls. The elevation at which this [19:16] construction will be occurring once it's excavated will [19:19] help to mitigate some of that noise. [19:22] the image to the top left shows almost a [19:25] finished structure, and the image to the top right is [19:28] sort of the finished product of this project. And this [19:32] project is up in the seattle area and to the south here, [19:37] hopefully I can show it here, where I'm highlighting now [19:44] this is actually a daycare or preschool center and all [19:48] these residential homes. So this has been built in [19:52] similar types of scenarios to what we're trying to build [19:57] here in san mateo. [20:00] this image here is of a local bay area [20:03] construction. This is in pacifica, and they are [20:08] constructing a flow equalization system as well. And [20:11] they have been in construction as you can see in the [20:14] back there. [20:16] there is a noise barrier along with a [20:18] residential home, and so this is being built under their [20:23] community center parking lot. After it's done they are [20:28] going to re pave it, and it's going to be used all over [20:31] again as a parking lot. [20:36] another concern that has echoed through all [20:41] the meetings that we've had is traffic impacts, and we [20:44] are aware of them. We will be implementing a management [20:50] plan and just to provide some background there are [20:53] vehicle types that we're considering here, heavy trucks [20:56] or other construction trucks, worker vehicles and in [21:00] terms of construction it's going to be similar to [21:04] construction in bay meadows and also at the hillsdale [21:08] mall. And the management plan will be implemented, and [21:11] some of the key components that have been listed out in [21:15] the report to help mitigate to avoid peak traffic hours [21:21] and coordinate with emergency responders. [21:32] this image was also in the environmental [21:34] impact report. The blue or light blue colored lines are [21:40] the current city truck access routes, and these are the [21:44] major arterials and major collectors within the city [21:49] designated for construction traffic and truck routes. [21:52] and the orange lines are the proposed access truck [21:56] routes from the project site to those truck routes so [22:00] primarily traveling to and from saratoga to either [22:04] delaware or towards the freeway on the south. [22:12] and in terms of geology the design team [22:18] completed geotechnical investigations, and we're [22:22] currently monitoring the area to establish base [22:26] groundwater levels. And the intent is to mitigate [22:31] measures to prevent settlement, and we have a plan to [22:34] provide monitoring to make sure measures are taken and [22:39] design criteria for the project itself. [22:44] this slide is to illustrate the ceqa process [22:48] and the permit process and also to identify the public [22:54] input opportunities. In october of this past year we had [23:00] a scoping period, which is shown there on the far left [23:04] box. After that scoping period we received comments and [23:08] prepared the draft environmental impact report and we [23:11] released the report. And we are here tonight to receive [23:16] more commentary, comments on the report, so that we can [23:20] implement any measures into the report. [23:31] in late summer after all the comments have [23:33] been implemented and the eir has been revised we plan on [23:38] releasing it. We will come back to the planning [23:42] commission to get a recommendation or to request a [23:44] recommendation on the eir certification and permit, and [23:49] after that in october we plan on going to city council [23:52] for the same two actions. [23:56] these blue asterisks are for public input, [24:04] and it started back in the scoping input and we're here [24:08] tonight and there will be planning and city council [24:12] opportunities again. [24:15] so to echo what richard said in the [24:20] beginning we're going to first take any questions [24:22] related specifically to the project or presentation [24:25] through and from the planning commission, and then [24:28] secondarily or mainly the main goal for tonight is to [24:32] obtain comments on the draft environmental impact [24:35] report. And those could be submitted through verbal [24:39] comments tonight. We have comment cards in the lobby as [24:42] well as up front here where you could rip off a portion [24:46] of the comment card and insert it into the drop box out [24:51] front or you could share it with ryan up here. There's [24:54] also the opportunity to e-mail or mail the comments in. [25:02] thank you. [25:06] >> thank you. [25:08] does the commission have any questions of [25:10] the staff presentation? No? No. Okay. [25:30] I'm just going to start, and if it doesn't [25:32] flow I'm really sorry. [25:35] I was reading in the packet about potential [25:39] contamination in the soil that will be brought up during [25:43] excavation, and I wondered what type of contamination we [25:48] were talking about? [25:57] >> so again, I would just emphasize tonight [26:00] we're taking comments, we'll respond to those in the [26:02] finals. If there's a quick answer we'll give it. [26:06] otherwise, we'll respond to those comments in the final. [26:12] >> so I can go through and ask them one [26:14] right after the other? [26:16] >> sure and the consultant of the eir is [26:22] here tonight, and we'll be preparing the final documents [26:28] and questions raised tonight. [26:31] >> I wonder what the agricultural district [26:37] meant, if that particular area of land was considered [26:40] agricultural because of the event center or what used to [26:44] be there? [26:45] >> the event center partial is zoned as [26:48] agricultural mainly due to its history of being a [26:53] racetrack. [26:55] >> I wanted clarification of when the [26:57] project would be starting. There were several parts of [27:01] the packet that said 2019, and there were several parts [27:05] in the packet that said 2020. So I just wanted to know [27:09] what the plan was on that, and I wanted to know a [27:15] definition of dewatering. I assume that relates to when [27:21] you start digging down below sea level that there's [27:27] leeching of water and how that -- am I correct in that [27:30] assumption and then it's how it's pumped out? [27:35] >> yes. Essentially dewatering is when we [27:39] get below the groundwater table during excavation. This [27:44] facility will go down as deep as 50 feet, and we will be [27:48] running into groundwater levels and part of it to secure [27:52] the site as to dewater it so we can construct the [27:56] facility. [27:57] >> where does it go? [27:59] >> it will get pumped and essentially taken [28:02] for treatment elsewhere. [28:04] >> okay. So pumped out through our regular [28:07] sewer system now? [28:09] >> no, it would be through dewatering pumps [28:12] specifically. [28:14] >> into tanker trucks and then driven away? [28:18] >> yes. [28:19] >> okay. Is there a potential that any [28:23] residents will need to be relocated? [28:30] >> not to my knowledge. [28:36] >> if you could explain to me what a [28:39] piezometer is? [28:43] >> it measures ground pressures. [28:45] >> ground pressure? [28:46] >> yes. [28:47] >> okay. [28:53] so it said in the packet that the daytime [28:56] hours that construction was allowed was between 7:00 and [29:02] 7:00. Are there multiple shifts that go on during that [29:05] time period or is there an eight-hour shift that happens [29:09] some time during that time period? [29:14] >> we haven't gotten to that level of detail [29:17] for the construction contract yet, but we'll take that [29:20] comment into consideration. [29:22] >> so my question is, will there be [29:24] construction activity from 7:00 a.m. To 7:00 p.m.? [29:28] that's my question, ongoing? Have we ever used a hotline [29:35] in the past on any projects here in the city? [29:39] >> the hotline has been established since [29:41] 2015. [29:43] >> so I'd like to know just the history of [29:45] that, how many calls we get in a given month. [29:49] >> oh, it fluctuates depending on the [29:52] topics. For example, when we had to raise rates for [30:00] sewers we got a lot of calls. [30:03] >> okay. [30:05] >> but when there's not much activity we [30:07] don't get many calls. [30:09] >> is it posted on our website? [30:12] >> yes it's on the screen too. On the right. [30:16] >> so that's the hotline to the call the [30:19] clean water program? [30:20] >> yes. [30:21] >> okay. How do you notice when construction [30:32] is going to incur on the weekend or does it just happen? [30:39] >> any type of variance outside of monday [30:43] through friday workdays would have to get approved, and [30:47] then notifications would go out accordingly. [30:50] >> how does that happen? [30:52] >> through mailers, typically. [30:56] >> does it go through e-mail or is it a hard [30:58] copy? [30:59] >> typically, for some of the projects in [31:02] the collection system that we're doing right now we send [31:04] out mailers and then follow up with door hangers. [31:09] >> okay. Will the grade separation at 25th [31:14] avenue be done before this project starts? [31:18] >> I'm not familiar with the timeline of [31:20] that project. [31:22] >> my concern is, are we going to have a [31:24] traffic impact from the grade separation at that exact [31:29] point that we have traffic issues affecting delaware at [31:33] 25th with this project? [31:43] there was a table under the traffic section [31:47] that detailed 2005 conditions and then potential [31:54] conditions from this project. I wondered if there were [31:59] any other data points for later than 2005 because [32:03] between 2005 and now things have really changed, and I [32:09] wasn't confident in that data. It was table 16-4. [32:22] on the native american requirements there [32:29] was only a letter in the packet from a state department [32:36] that just gave how things needed to work. It wasn't a [32:41] response from an ohlone representative, and I just [32:45] wondered if anyone from the ohlone people had responded [32:51] personally to what was going on along the construction [32:55] site? My concern with that would be that since it does [33:01] have a close proximity to a creek bed that there could [33:06] possibly be artifacts that we're going to dig up [33:10] underground. [33:17] those are my only comments or questions [33:20] right now. [33:21] >> alright. Thank you. [33:23] >> thank you. [33:27] >> I have a couple of questions. I [33:29] understand that your construction time is from 7:00 [33:32] a.m. To 7:00 p.m.. How would that affect the flow of [33:35] traffic from the neighborhood -- the traffic plant from [33:43] the neighborhood residents and also for the school? Have [33:47] you had conversations with the school and residents [33:50] about when would be the best time to have construction [33:53] vehicles on that street? I understand that saratoga is [33:56] going to be the main point for the construction [33:58] vehicles, and saratoga is the main street to go into the [34:02] school and the residents. [34:05] and also, if the goal was to have mailers or [34:10] have door hangers on weekend construction, how would [34:14] that affect the use of the neighborhood park where some [34:19] of the events, sports events, are held on the weekend as [34:23] well? Those are my two questions. [34:29] >> thank you. Okay. I will open up the [34:34] public comment period on this project, and I see we have [34:41] speaker slips. How many? [34:45] >> 12. [34:46] >> 12, okay. We're going to be using the [34:50] timer tonight so each speaker will have three minutes, [34:55] and the secretary will call your name. [35:03] >> bay meadows neighborhood alliance, kelly [35:07] moran and jonathan shafferman. [35:14] >> before we begin, we put in a request for [35:16] a group presentation and the slip says that allows us [35:19] fifteen minutes and we have planned for more than three [35:23] minutes as our neighborhood presentation. [35:25] >> okay we'll set the timer for 15, and I [35:28] hope we won't take up all that time. [35:31] >> jonathan is actually going to start, but [35:33] I want to introduce the bay meadows neighborhood [35:41] alliance. We're 750 for homes, and we've got between [35:47] 1,000 and 2,000 residents in the neighborhood alliance. [35:52] we did not have time to take a position [35:55] given the short notice, but we'll be submitting written [36:00] comments but we won't be indicating specific positions [36:03] on almost anything that we say tonight. We do request [36:06] additional time to review the design because the first [36:09] time we saw it was friday night. Jonathan is going to [36:14] start off with our main comments, and then I'll follow [36:18] up. [36:19] >> commissioners, I'm jonathan and I reside [36:22] at 490 east 28th avenue, and I am speaking on behalf of [36:29] the bay meadows neighborhood alliance and also as a [36:32] member of the landsdowne homeowners association. [36:38] our bay meadows neighborhood alliance has [36:41] been actively engaged for two years. Given the [36:46] extraordinary project cost many of us actually disagreed [36:50] with the city's conclusion that the five million gallon [36:53] sewer tank sized for flood overflows was a better [36:58] multigenerational solution than full conveyance which we [37:02] discussed in several community meetings, addressing the [37:07] antiquated storm sewer network from the top of the [37:10] watershed and not at the bottom down in the flatlands of [37:14] the city. We also expressed concern that placement in [37:17] either bay meadows park or fiesta gardens park would [37:21] affect park users in either area. [37:24] additionally, we remain unsettled with the [37:27] additional financial burden that our neighborhood will [37:31] shoulder from property assessments to service the bond [37:35] debt for the project. Many of our homes are within 50 to [37:39] several hundred feet from the project site visible from [37:42] some of the diagrams. Today my home is visible from [37:47] diagrams that were presented today. [37:49] and our concern is that the draft eir does [37:53] not adequately address impacts during the construction [37:57] and post construction project phases especially the [38:00] structural risk to our homes. Our primary concern is [38:04] soil stability in the areas surrounding both trunk line [38:08] and sewer tank excavations especially given the amount [38:12] of dewatering that will be necessary. [38:15] the draft eir indicates that groundwater [38:19] elevation is shallow here. It has yet to be determined [38:22] as was expressed earlier, but it has in the report [38:29] expected to be somewhere between six and no more than 15 [38:32] feet below the surface along most of the site. [38:37] now this is a site where the sewer tank [38:43] structure will be 50 feet below the surface, and what [38:48] wasn't mentioned earlier is that in order to support [38:52] that heavy a structure an additional 25 feet of [38:57] excavation will need to go down to install the piles [39:00] that will hold up the sewer tank. That's 75 feet below [39:05] surface. [39:06] we in the neighborhood are aware of the [39:09] severe unexpected settling, and I believe it was in [39:11] excess of three foot unexpected settling that occurred [39:16] at the concar rite aid store during excavation and [39:18] dewatering for the adjacent projects at 40o and 450 [39:21] concar. And want adequate assurance that our homes, [39:25] streets and the bay meadows park will not survey similar [39:29] fate. [39:30] we believe no open trench codes will be done [39:35] and that pipeline installation discussed in section 4.2 [39:40] of the project geotechnical report should be mandatory. [39:46] furthermore, we ask that the project contract stipulate [39:50] that no settlement damage will be made to adjacent [39:55] structures especially pipeline trenching and sewer tank [40:00] excavation activities, and that the contractor take full [40:05] equivocal responsibility for any settlement damage that [40:09] occurs to private property or city facilities. [40:13] we're concerned with construction noise. In [40:15] fact, the eir concludes that significant and unavoidable [40:20] impact will occur during the twenty-five month [40:23] construction phase of the project. [40:25] table 5.5 indicates that pile driving will [40:31] result in a noise level at 50 feet, and this exceeds the [40:37] threshold outline in a section of san mateo manciple [40:45] code and furthermore, 7.2 of the geotechnical report [40:50] suggest that quote, drilled in place piles may be [40:53] considered if noise and vibration of pile driving is not [41:00] acceptable without defining acceptable to whom. We [41:03] assert herein equivocally that noise and vibration from [41:09] pile driving will be unacceptable from hour homes within [41:14] the construction area and pre drilling as opposed to [41:18] standard pile driving will be necessary to mitigate [41:22] noise impact to punch through the coarse, sandy layers [41:26] of soil that show up in your soil locks. [41:31] sandy soil is where piledrivers get stuck [41:37] trying to punch through stiff soil layers. Measure 12.3 [41:42] inquired to incorporate project construction to help [41:46] reduce the effects of off-site vibration, and these are [41:51] vibration reducing methods that can quantifiably [41:57] demonstrate noise impacts, but we cannot find any [42:03] definition of vibration issues describing how they may [42:08] be mitigated. Mitigation 12.3.a. Only calls for site [42:14] specific mitigation measures for the project to be [42:17] implemented as necessary. We do not want to repeat the [42:41] experience. [42:45] >> thank you. [42:47] to follow up just in a bigger picture we're [42:49] used to construction. There's construction going on all [42:53] around bay meadows. This project is proposing different [42:57] techniques tremendously troubling to our neighborhood. [43:02] the city has never allowed a private developer to do [43:07] pile driver, the one that goes pound, pound, pound. We [43:13] hear that in san francisco. We have never let anyone [43:17] violate that ordinance. [43:21] second, the proposal to put in sheet piles [43:24] instead of the standard water system that is being used [43:29] by every other development. So every other development [43:32] is doing drilled in place piles and lagging and tie [43:36] backs. This is the only proposal that has tried to do [43:40] that is cal train. [43:41] there were residents running into the street [43:46] in the middle of the night when cal train did that and [43:49] that was 2,000 feet from homes, and this is less than [43:53] one hundred feet from the nearest home and third is the [43:57] depth and this is why we're concerned about the [43:59] dewatering and we understand there are other methods [44:03] that's would be drawing down a lot less water, a [44:07] pinpoint watering system and we suggest that the city [44:13] review these other techniques and we were shocked when [44:17] we opened the eir and found those disturbing precedents [44:21] in this project. Nothing had ever been said about that. [44:26] we know that having construction near our homes is going [44:29] to be a pain, but we don't want damage in our homes. [44:35] the other precedent here is about vibration. [44:38] the eir, you all get to set the significant standard and [44:44] that is no damage to buildings. So the right significant [44:48] standard should be ability to use ones' home and work in [44:52] ones' office nearby. So that's a lower vibration level. [44:57] the vibration that is being proposed almost [45:00] reaches but doesn't quite reach at the nearest house as [45:04] they predict the level that would cause damage to [45:07] buildings. It far exceeds the level that would prevent [45:11] normal use of ones' home. It would be like having a mini [45:15] earthquake going on. All the dishes would rattle in your [45:19] home. [45:20] for example, everything would rattle in your [45:22] office if you are working at home. That does not create [45:25] a condition that would be acceptable in my view for the [45:28] city and not a precedent we would want to set for [45:31] allowing private developers to do the same thing. I urge [45:33] you to define it as such. That sort of precedent could [45:38] not be accepted by the rest of the city. [45:41] we're also interested in preserving the use [45:44] of the parks. The eir admits that there's construction [45:50] next to both of the other city parks in the area so this [45:52] would be at the same time, construction next to the [45:54] city's largest park in this area. Here we'd be looking [45:59] for hours of construction to end to allow for that after [46:02] school soccer time and quiet time on weekends. [46:05] the staff informed you on the city [46:08] construction hours. Unless you establish requirements to [46:11] provide that kind of notification and self permitting [46:15] weekend system, that would not be by default a city [46:19] requirement. [46:21] there were e-mail notices sent and it kept [46:23] the construction to weekdays to allow us to use our [46:28] residences and gave us advanced notice so we could plan [46:32] our lives around that and not use the park space next to [46:36] them. [46:37] also, I think there's a very strong city [46:39] interest in preventing damage to homes and to prevent [46:43] unreasonable noise as precedents, and I think you all [46:48] really need to enforce that of staff. I don't think the [46:51] staff really want to do these things, but the [46:54] information in front of us and our experience which [46:57] should highlight the event center has been a really [47:00] great neighbor but they've been trying to handle how [47:04] they work out late night parties, and they've had a [47:07] private person running the sound system and the [47:11] vibration causes the exact same vibration I'm talking [47:16] about; dishes rattling during a concert, our whole homes [47:21] were rattling at night so every half an hour you'd wake [47:24] up, shake, shake, shake for five minutes. That's the [47:28] kind of stuff. It's just simply not acceptable for [47:32] members of our community and to have that go on for six [47:36] months, it's devastating to members of our community and [47:41] we do as a neighborhood -- it is our pattern to try to [47:45] work with people, and we are are interested in working [47:48] on this to find an acceptable solution. [47:51] I'm pretty confident if the city proposed [47:54] techniques and monitoring programs and did some work to [47:58] make sure that the park is useable on the weekends and [48:01] so forth, that our neighborhood would not oppose the [48:05] project, but I'm not 100% sure on that since we haven't [48:09] taken a position. [48:10] thank you for listening to our neighborhoods [48:13] concerns, and we're hoping by laying this more detailed [48:17] testimony in front of you that will make it easier for [48:20] both you and the other residents who have shared their [48:23] concerns to share their concerns with you. Thank you. [48:28] >> thank you. Now we're going to go to the [48:30] three minute clock and call the individual speakers, [48:33] please. [48:35] >> jean holbrook followed by joshua [48:39] wallstorm. [48:46] >> thank you, commissioners, for giving us [48:50] this opportunity. I am a member of the amelia members [48:56] association. I have sewage tank fatigue. I was at all of [49:06] those meetings, and I appreciate that the neighborhood [49:08] association and my neighbors are willing to persist on [49:12] this because we care very much about the quality of life [49:15] in our neighborhood. [49:17] both jonathan and kelly laid out the [49:19] details, but I just want to say as a member of the [49:22] community I'm concerned about continued use of the park [49:25] through the construction. It's not just used on weekends [49:28] by any means. We have soccer over there every day during [49:32] the soccer season and there are many families, children, [49:36] parents, dogs, that use that park on a regular basis [49:40] since that is our backyard. [49:42] I also am concerned about the noise and the [49:45] vibration. I thought I heard staff say we can mitigate [49:48] everything but noise and vibration which of course I [49:52] hope I misunderstood. [49:54] also I want to make sure that the [49:55] construction methods that are used do make it possible [49:59] for us to sleep and enjoy our homes. Bay meadows is a [50:04] wonderful community, and that's why we're all here [50:07] tonight. We want to preserve that. Thank you. [50:09] >> thank you. [50:11] >> hi. My name is joshua wallstorm, and I'm [50:18] a resident of bay meadows and also a member of the [50:21] landsdowne homeowners association, and I lived in bay [50:26] meadows, one of the first people to move in and of [50:31] course, I'm no stranger to construction and living with [50:34] construction noise but I just want to reiterate kelly [50:37] and johnathen's comments. I think they did a good job [50:43] expressing my concerns about the construction techniques [50:45] that are being used and whether they are appropriate and [50:48] safe and avoid damage to our homes and the surrounding [50:52] homes outside of bay meadows as well. [50:56] one comment that I'd like to state [50:58] specifically about about the noise mitigation, there was [51:01] a claim that due to the fact that most of the [51:03] construction is going to happen deep inside the tank [51:06] that's being constructed, that noise mitigation is not [51:11] as much of a concern, but there is that six month period [51:14] where they are going to be constructing and pile driving [51:18] and I would really urge the commission to require and [51:21] the city in fact to require that they erect a tall noise [51:26] barrier. Thank you. [51:27] >> thank you. [51:29] >> eranzi followed by ann mclaughlin. [51:37] >> good evening. Thank you for giving me the [51:41] opportunity to address my concern and rest for [51:47] assurance. I'm an owner of a house on 20th avenue and [51:55] I'm actually a member of the bright side hoa. The [51:59] environmental study that I saw has a lot of shortcoming [52:07] and I'm here to -- actually, I was here to try to get [52:12] some answers which I guess I'm not going to get this [52:16] evening. [52:17] my many concerns is actually about the noise [52:21] and the vibrations. So, we had the experience with the [52:29] cal train issues and we made the noise and well it [52:36] stopped but it was really, really bad. It was in the [52:41] middle of the night, two a.m. And I don't know how they [52:45] got to it and on the weekends it was really bad. [52:50] and my main concern is that the vibration [53:00] will weaken the foundations. In the event of an [53:04] earthquake and because of the foundations that got [53:08] weakened, if there's a damage to their houses, my house, [53:13] neighborhood houses, will we be compensated? Will the [53:21] city compensate us? Will the construction? That's a big [53:30] concern that I have. An earthquake can actually hit us [53:36] and I understand if it's a 10.0 it's not going to stand [53:40] usually, but maybe if it's weakened and it's a 4.0 it [53:45] may cause some issues. [53:47] and also since I work from home, most of the [53:51] days of the week I'd like to limit the noise and [53:55] definitely I'd like the noise just to be between nine [53:58] and five just like every other work and definitely not [54:05] on the weekends and nights. [54:08] and also, I wanted to ask if anybody thinks [54:14] about the contingency in case we have an overrun on the [54:19] budget for this construction because in my experience [54:24] everything runs over budget, actually. [54:28] well, thank you for listening to me. Thank [54:30] you. [54:31] >> thank you. [54:33] >> ann mclaughlin followed by vanessa [54:39] seawell. [54:41] >> hi. My name is ann mclaughlin and martin [54:44] and I are residents at bay meadows and members of the [54:48] bright side homeowners association. And we agree that [54:51] the environmental impact report has serious shortcomings [54:55] and also support the neighborhoods' requests that the [54:58] site change it's approach, and do not involve violation [55:07] of the city's noise ordinance. And we believe that [55:11] mitigation and several areas of the eir are both [55:15] imprecise and lacking include but are not limited to [55:20] noise abatement. [55:21] I was one of the residents who ran out in [55:24] the middle of the night in my pj's. The noise was [55:27] unacceptable and frightening. [55:30] the cal train project was more limited in [55:32] scope and duration than this proposed project. Only [55:36] after residents' complaints to cal train was it switched [55:41] to alternative methods and the impact of this projects [55:45] construction on local schools and parks and it is [55:50] unacceptable. A hotline is not mitigation, and the [55:53] proposed temporary barriers appear inadequate. I request [56:06] that any city official who has not experienced this type [56:10] of noise and vibration to sample it personally before [56:13] making a decision on this proposal. It is frightening. [56:18] second issue, dewatering impact 7-3, this [56:21] issue is also concerning without more information. The [56:24] risk of dewatering is called out in the report, and I [56:29] would also reference the millennial reflux. San mateo [56:34] says dewatering. This is from the san francisco [56:37] chronicle from an october 2016 article. This article [56:41] reports on the resulting litigation and potential [56:44] liability and the whole thing sounds like a mess. [56:47] as a homeowner I'm concerned about property [56:50] damage. As a san mateo taxpayer I'm concerned and [56:55] worried about the city leaving tax papers on the hook [56:59] for significant financial liability. We would like to [57:04] request a precise plan that fully addressed this risk [57:09] and adopts all reasonable measures to mitigate these [57:13] potential impacts. [57:16] traffic, this report estimates a significant [57:20] number of truck trips per day with estimates as high as [57:25] 206 and the mitigation proposal of quote preparing a [57:29] traffic management plan is not mitigation. It proposes [57:33] no specific actions to address this significant [57:36] disruption. The proposed scheduling of this work [57:40] concurrently of the closure of the cal train station [57:43] promises to make a bad situation even worse. This eir [57:48] reinforces the poor site selection and planning for a [57:53] project in the middle of schools, parks and housing [57:56] areas, and I would urge this commission to reevaluate [58:00] this plan. [58:01] thank you very much. [58:02] >> thank you. [58:04] >> vanessa seawell. [58:23] >> hi, my name is vanessa seawell. I have [58:24] twin babies and a three year old. My biggest concern as [58:28] a mother is the noise vibration, the construction [58:31] process. My home is on saratoga drive, and I'm the [58:35] nearest home at bay meadows to this construction project [58:40] less than three hundred feet away. [58:42] the rite aid is about five hundred feet away [58:46] from recent construction that caused their structural [58:49] damage. So that is a large concern, and we've touched on [58:53] that. My biggest concern is the noise and pile driving. [59:00] I had my daughter, my first daughter and [59:03] next door the house was demolished and reconstructed [59:08] over the course of the next year. I was severely [59:12] affected by vibration, by sound that was constant over [59:16] that year, so much so that I was hospitalized for mental [59:22] health. This is not just something that can physically [59:25] affect hearing loss but mentally affect you. [59:28] I have three children that sleep in that [59:31] home everyday, and they take two naps a day. We're at [59:34] home with our kids, we're into the neighborhood walking [59:38] to the park every single day, and that's a large issue [59:41] if we're looking at something like over one hundred [59:44] decibels. That is a hundred times louder than the [59:48] eighty-five decibel mark that can cause hearing loss. [59:51] it's ridiculous and that cannot be acceptable. [59:55] further information or concern that I have [59:57] is with the dewatering process and I know that there are [1:00:01] better best practices to mitigate those issues that [1:00:05] could cause foundation and structural damage to our [1:00:09] homes and those need to be addressed. There's also -- I [1:00:12] don't believe the water would be trucked out of the area [1:00:14] if we're looking in excess of millions of gallons of [1:00:18] water during this construction period. We need to look [1:00:20] at recycling or recharging that water in the best [1:00:24] possible way, again, to limit problems with our [1:00:25] foundation. [1:00:27] I'm also concerned about vehicle traffic. [1:00:30] that is a large amount of noise specially because we [1:00:33] live on saratoga and several of my neighbors do as well. [1:00:36] we couldn't have four a.m., five a.m., six a.m. Trucks, [1:00:41] diesel, huge vehicles driving down our street waking us [1:00:47] up every morning for over six months. I have one year [1:00:52] old twins, newborns, I understand losing sleep but the [1:00:56] facts of these large vehicles roaring up and down the [1:01:00] street every day is not acceptable. So I do think we [1:01:03] need to have parameters of times of day in place for [1:01:07] construction and traffic. Thank you. [1:01:09] >> thank you. [1:01:43] >> just a couple of things to add. One is [1:01:51] around the traffic mitigation that hasn't been mentioned [1:01:52] around the construction of the new sewer pipelines along [1:01:53] saratoga drive. Given the extra traffic that is flowing [1:02:00] on saratoga due to the parking of the facebook and [1:02:11] google employees. I think you are going to see extra [1:02:14] traffic impacts and as the event center continues to [1:02:19] have more and more events you are seeing more and more [1:02:22] cars in the morning between six and seven a.m. Going to [1:02:25] set up. I think any taking away of lanes is going to [1:02:32] cause major issues and you are going to have to mitigate [1:02:36] through the event center and that could lead to other [1:02:39] impacts. [1:04:15] >> those need to be thought of an [1:04:18] alternative method. There are many [1:04:21] considerations and I won't go over them [1:04:25] now. The vibrations of our homes [1:04:30] foundations and our values [1:04:40] again, I just ask that you hear us and [1:04:44] I want to reiterate there are more [1:04:52] appropriate and safer methods. That's [1:04:54] what's being proposed and I also want to [1:04:56] remind this is a brand new high density [1:05:00] neighborhood. This is not an industrial [1:05:02] commercial zone. Thank you. [1:05:03] >> thank you. [1:05:06] >> ray lynn. [1:05:13] public speaker: hi, I'm a resident of [1:05:16] bay meadows and also a member of the [1:05:20] homeowners association. I share the same [1:05:24] concerns with my neighbors. In addition [1:05:25] I [1:05:26] have two questions and I wonder if the [1:05:28] council can help with. My first question [1:05:30] is regarding the environmental impact on [1:05:35] the natural lives in the parks of the [1:05:39] birds. During spring there is a lot of [1:05:42] birds migrating into this area. I wonder [1:05:44] if the team has evaluated the potential [1:05:47] environmental impact on these natural [1:05:49] lives. [1:05:50] second question is regarding the [1:05:51] selection of the exact location. So [1:05:56] there are other spots in the san mateo [1:05:59] area. The proposed area is adjacent to [1:06:00] the park and also very close to the [1:06:02] residential area. So I just wonder if [1:06:03] the [1:06:06] team has evaluated other spots in the [1:06:07] san [1:06:15] mateo area. One wish that I wish for [1:06:18] council to help is that we didn't get [1:06:24] this environmental impact report until [1:06:26] very late lasts week. So that makes it [1:06:30] very challenging to have a thorough [1:06:33] review and provide comment during this [1:06:35] short period. We would appreciate more [1:06:36] time for review in order to have more [1:06:39] constructive and meaning full feedback [1:06:40] to [1:06:41] the council in the future. So that's why [1:06:45] I'm especially preview of today's [1:06:47] opportunity that we can be here to share [1:06:49] our thoughts with this council. I hope [1:06:52] the council can keep the spirit and [1:06:53] we'll [1:06:54] have a very open and transparent [1:06:58] democratic process throughout this [1:06:59] project. Thank you very much. [1:07:02] >> thank you. [1:07:10] >>clerk: jennifer mcadam. [1:07:12] public speaker: hi, there, I would like [1:07:15] to thank the commission for the [1:07:17] opportunity to speak. I'm a member of [1:07:18] the [1:07:21] homeowners associations and I live along [1:07:25] 13th avenue. I share some of these [1:07:27] comments regarding the short [1:07:28] accommodations regarding the [1:07:32] environmental impact report, and agree [1:07:37] with my neighbors. I work from home and [1:07:40] I'm very sensitive to noise and I run a [1:07:46] lot of meetings. I'm mostly concerned [1:07:47] about the foundation and the vibration [1:07:51] issues that it could have on my home. [1:07:53] therefore I request that the city will [1:07:57] change the construction approach and may [1:07:59] not involve the violation of the cities [1:08:03] ordinance. In addition I would like the [1:08:05] commission to add a wall barrier during [1:08:08] the noise construction and consider [1:08:10] limiting the construction hours so we [1:08:11] may [1:08:13] have some peaceful days where we are [1:08:14] living. Thank you. [1:08:17] >> thank you. [1:08:23] >>clerk: wendy? [1:08:25] public speaker: I'm wendy, I have a home [1:08:30] in the meadows. I would like to support [1:08:32] all the concerns that bay meadows [1:08:36] alliance has brought up. I think our [1:08:39] homes is like, it's our sanctuary, it's [1:08:41] where we go home and relax and all of [1:08:46] that stuff. The parks in our [1:08:47] neighborhood [1:08:48] are really important to us. So the use [1:08:49] of [1:08:53] that should be somewhat of a priority. [1:08:55] the noise and vibration, I also work [1:08:56] from [1:08:57] home. I would like you all to empathize [1:09:02] with homeowners there. Living there has [1:09:06] been great. We love our neighborhood, [1:09:07] but [1:09:08] if this is going to go on for 6 months [1:09:09] at [1:09:12] a time, it's really going to impact [1:09:15] everyone there. My husband would like to [1:09:23] add. [1:09:26] >> I live with her. A couple things I [1:09:30] will add. I don't know if you read the [1:09:34] recent new york times. There was a [1:09:39] couple that bought a couple brown stones [1:09:43] and they have been driving into the [1:09:45] foundation for months and it's driving [1:09:47] every mad and the local didn't realize [1:09:52] that was happening. So there are a lot [1:09:53] of [1:09:56] unintended consequences to these kinds [1:09:57] of [1:09:59] decisions that people have to live with. [1:10:01] unfortunately those that made the [1:10:03] decisions don't have to live with it. [1:10:05] the people around it do. Many of us are [1:10:09] always involved in planning large [1:10:10] projects. The plan that we have in place [1:10:12] is the most optimistic view. There is [1:10:16] never a plan that actually happens the [1:10:19] way it is planned. Everything always, [1:10:24] something always goes wrong. The fact [1:10:26] that we are this most optimistic view is [1:10:31] already quite horrifying if you live in [1:10:33] the neighborhood should give everyone [1:10:35] pause. It can get worse and it likely [1:10:38] will get worse, but if we already feel [1:10:41] this way of what the optimal view looks [1:10:45] like, that scares me. So I echo [1:10:49] everything that everyone here has been [1:10:50] saying. I look forward to having a [1:10:51] better [1:10:53] dialogue of where this goes after this. [1:10:55] thanks. [1:10:57] >> thank you. [1:11:02] >>clerk: claire? [1:11:05] public speaker: good evening, [1:11:07] commissioners and staff. My name is [1:11:09] claire and president of the homeowners [1:11:15] association's and I thank you for your [1:11:18] time today and thank you for your hard [1:11:22] work to listen to us. I really [1:11:23] appreciate [1:11:26] it. I have a couple of concerns and [1:11:30] first is vibrating and it's impacting [1:11:31] the [1:11:32] homes in our neighborhood. We've all [1:11:33] seen [1:11:36] issues with structure integrity can [1:11:38] actually cause things like windows and [1:11:43] wall cracks and even foundation at [1:11:45] issues. These are expensive problems. My [1:11:47] questions are what is the staff as plan, [1:11:50] mitigation plan for these issues which [1:12:03] are expensive to repair, and do we have [1:12:04] a [1:12:05] fund set aside to pay for potential [1:12:06] damages for private property and homes. [1:12:07] we've all heard about the leaning power [1:12:08] of san francisco caused by transbay [1:12:16] construction. We don't want to be known [1:12:18] as the leaning homes in san mateo. That [1:12:19] is not ideal for all of us. So my [1:12:20] question is, have you considered [1:12:21] alternative construction methods? The [1:12:22] current proposed message is the [1:12:28] polydriven method. How did we reach this [1:12:31] conclusion? Is it the cheapest method, [1:12:35] have you thought about it damaging other [1:12:37] homes. Why is there no report in the [1:12:38] eir. [1:12:40] is there a way that we can actually do [1:12:41] an [1:12:45] analysis and an alternative construction [1:12:47] method. I also want to echo a point that [1:12:49] a neighbor brought up earlier which is [1:12:53] impact to wildlife. In san mateo, we [1:13:00] have wildlife birds that pass through [1:13:01] the [1:13:02] parks. Have we thought about the [1:13:03] wildlife that pass through the parks. I [1:13:05] thank you for your time and effort on [1:13:07] this project. I hope we can work [1:13:08] together [1:13:10] to get to a good conclusion for [1:13:11] everyone. [1:13:13] >> thank you. [1:13:16] >> sally chang followed by lauren lee. [1:13:25] public speaker: hi, I'm sally chang. [1:13:28] thank you for letting us speak tonight. [1:13:34] I'm a property owner and I live near the [1:13:39] proposed construction and also part of [1:13:40] the lands down association. [1:13:43] we just moved into this neighborhood [1:13:44] last [1:13:46] year and we specifically moved out of [1:13:47] san [1:13:48] francisco where there is a lot of [1:13:50] construction because we wanted to live [1:13:51] in [1:13:52] a place where we could raise children [1:13:53] and [1:13:55] we could have like a quiet neighborhood, [1:13:59] a beautiful park to live next to, and to [1:14:06] just have a peaceful home to go home to. [1:14:13] we are planning on starting our family [1:14:16] this coming year, and the fact that this [1:14:19] construction has really loud methods of [1:14:21] construction for 6 months really [1:14:33] terrifies me. As a mother going [1:14:36] through this, it's a really scare [1:14:37] process [1:14:40] at some point having construction [1:14:41] between [1:14:42] the hours of 7:00 a.m. And 7:00 p.m. [1:14:43] that [1:14:46] makes it even more terrifying. I agree [1:14:50] with a lot that has been said so far by [1:14:53] the members of the community, and I [1:14:55] strongly urge the city and commission to [1:14:58] really think of alternative methods of [1:15:00] construction because it just really [1:15:05] affects the livelihoods of many people [1:15:06] -- [1:15:08] who are here to speak today and it [1:15:11] affects lives of people who are working, [1:15:16] people who have families, children, [1:15:18] animals, everyone in our community. [1:15:20] thank you. [1:15:21] >>clerk: lauren lee, followed by simon [1:15:27] yun. [1:15:28] public speaker: good evening. Thank you [1:15:32] so much to the commission for the [1:15:34] opportunity for all the of us to speak [1:15:38] here. [1:15:39] I'm lauren lee, and I live at 2868 [1:15:45] saratoga drive. From east 28th in [1:15:49] saratoga. Just close to my neighbor with [1:15:51] vanessa. She was here with three kids. I [1:15:53] have four kids and three of them being [1:15:56] boys. We moved from pleasanton. We were [1:15:59] the first building to go up and we were [1:16:03] there before anything came to bay [1:16:06] meadows. And bay meadows park is our [1:16:11] backyard. We left pleasanton and bay [1:16:14] meadows is our backyard and we need it [1:16:20] desperately especially with the boys. I [1:16:21] want to agree with all of my neighbors [1:16:26] and community members here that are [1:16:27] present that you take a closer look at [1:16:30] some of the plans and consider just the [1:16:34] impact that it has in our neighborhood. [1:16:38] thank you. [1:16:39] >> thank you. [1:16:42] >>clerk: simon yun followed by eric [1:16:43] park. [1:16:45] public speaker: good evening, I want to [1:16:46] say thank you to the commission for what [1:16:48] you are doing and the time you are [1:16:49] taking [1:16:51] to look into it. We really appreciate [1:16:52] it. [1:16:53] my name is simon yun, a homeowner in [1:16:54] the [1:17:05] land down hoa, also part of bay meadows. [1:17:08] I thank you for listening to our [1:17:09] concerns [1:17:10] and I want to speak to again the noise [1:17:14] and the vibration. When I think of the [1:17:17] substance of our concerns have been [1:17:19] addressed already. I just want to paint [1:17:20] a [1:17:21] picture of what this looks like. [1:17:27] my bedroom faces bay meadows park so [1:17:31] there is going to be nothing between us [1:17:34] and the construction going on. The issue [1:17:37] with noise and particularly concerning [1:17:38] are going to be imagine that maybe you [1:17:40] work at home and you are trying to work [1:17:43] during the day but there is power [1:17:44] driving [1:17:48] going on. It's not going to affect only [1:17:53] the conferences that you have going on [1:17:56] and you have to get work done and it may [1:18:00] not be easy to get work done because [1:18:01] it's [1:18:04] harder to focus and maybe you lose sleep [1:18:09] and you get woken up in the morning [1:18:14] because of this. I think this is [1:18:16] something we should avoid if we can. The [1:18:19] other thing is I have two young children [1:18:21] anther in school now fortunately and [1:18:22] they [1:18:24] are pretty good at sleeping, but I think [1:18:26] any parent knows the difference between [1:18:27] a [1:18:29] well rested child and a child on sleep [1:18:33] debt in terms of their ability to focus [1:18:36] and learn. I'm concerned about the [1:18:37] impact [1:18:38] that losing sleep is having on them [1:18:43] especially after the power driving [1:18:44] situation. The other thing is vibration, [1:18:49] and I think as residents of the bay area [1:18:56] we are cognizant of risks we have with [1:18:59] earthquakes, but I don't think when we [1:19:02] are buying property we as much think [1:19:04] about human caused risks to our [1:19:07] properties, structural risks to our [1:19:09] properties caused by construction [1:19:10] especially when there may be [1:19:11] alternatives [1:19:12] that are safer for our structures. I ask [1:19:15] that you please consider that. Thanks [1:19:17] for your time. [1:19:19] >> thank you. Eric park followed by tom [1:19:26] t. [1:19:27] public speaker: as everyone else has [1:19:29] said, thank you, commissioners, for [1:19:30] taking the time to listen to our [1:19:33] comments. I'm also with bay meadows [1:19:37] homeowners association. I agree with the [1:19:39] points made by the previous speakers. 2 [1:19:42] points that I would like to reiterate, I [1:19:44] would like to say that bay meadows in [1:19:47] particular is a neighborhood of young [1:19:49] families. I have a six-year-old and [1:19:51] almost all houses near mine have houses [1:19:54] with families and near the schools. And [1:20:00] we have many people that work from home [1:20:02] and this is one of the demographics that [1:20:06] will be impacted by work. I have [1:20:07] concerns [1:20:10] about noise, pollution and noise on [1:20:12] families. I would like you to consider [1:20:16] the request made by all the speakers [1:20:18] today. Thank you. [1:20:21] >> tom t followed by dana stuart. [1:20:26] public speaker: hello, my name is tom [1:20:30] chi. I have been part of bay meadows [1:20:33] since 2015. Thank you, commission, for [1:20:42] allowing us to participate. I will keep [1:20:47] it short. I absolutely continue to echo [1:20:51] a lot of points that have been made and [1:20:52] I [1:20:57] can underscore what this allows us to do [1:21:01] except to engage in participation. A [1:21:04] couple of additional points. When we go [1:21:07] through all the construction, it's [1:21:11] absolutely understandable and expected, [1:21:13] right? People didn't move into a new [1:21:16] development expecting that you get peace [1:21:20] and quiet immediately. However, what I [1:21:22] do always noticed is that regardless of [1:21:26] the methods, while construction is [1:21:28] happening, the folks that are in it, the [1:21:31] workers, they have got gear protecting [1:21:38] eyes, ears, mouths, nose. When a mere [1:21:44] 25-100 feet, however many feet away, we [1:21:48] are as residents experiencing much of [1:21:49] the [1:21:51] similar impacts without any of that [1:21:54] protection. So that is just another [1:21:56] perspective on what we talk about in [1:22:00] terms fof noise concerns and vibration [1:22:09] concerns. It matters a lot when we have [1:22:13] an expectation when we can have some [1:22:16] level of normalcy. But there is too much [1:22:19] x factor in the air, you know, perhaps [1:22:20] on [1:22:23] that day, not all the time and you want [1:22:25] to go back inside, but there is a lot of [1:22:31] impact there. Lastly, I would like to [1:22:34] just call in the question as we move [1:22:39] forward, let's, I would really love to [1:22:40] be [1:22:43] able to review information that helps us [1:22:49] validate decisions made progressively [1:22:50] with regard to the cost and what the [1:22:53] solution is such that as conditions [1:22:55] change, we allow ourselves the [1:22:57] flexibility. So what I would definitely [1:22:59] appreciate is that a ton of hard work [1:23:00] has [1:23:04] already gone into this over a long [1:23:05] period [1:23:08] of time. But every week, month that [1:23:12] passes and we have these large scale [1:23:17] projects, that it allows for flexibility [1:23:21] to approach solutions and what solutions [1:23:23] are best or matter most. Thanks. [1:23:37] >>clerk: dana stuart. [1:23:38] public speaker: thank you, commissioner [1:23:40] for allowing me to speak tonight. My [1:23:42] name is dana story. The ceo of the san [1:23:46] mateo county event center. I would like [1:23:48] to thank the city staff that I have [1:23:52] directly worked through with this [1:23:53] process. And I would like us to note the [1:23:56] designation of the agricultural [1:23:58] designation of the land. The san mateo [1:24:09] exposition and fair has dealt with san [1:24:11] mateo for the last 70 years. We are not [1:24:16] the oldest host facility, but the oldest [1:24:18] neighbors in the area. We also and I [1:24:21] think it's an important designation [1:24:22] under [1:24:23] the department of california food and [1:24:24] ag, [1:24:25] we are among the network of california [1:24:29] fairs and we are also the designated [1:24:31] office of emergency management resource [1:24:33] for the entire county and in the event [1:24:34] of [1:24:36] a natural disaster. We are self [1:24:40] supporting 501c3. All of the receive [1:24:42] that we operate on the land comes from [1:24:47] activities on the property. We are too [1:24:50] concerned about noise constraints. We [1:24:52] host everything from holiday parties [1:24:53] which you have heard from the neighbors [1:24:56] that can be somewhat disruptive [1:25:00] unfortunately to academic testings to [1:25:04] sony, high profile corporate events. We [1:25:06] also strive to be a really good [1:25:07] neighbor. [1:25:09] so specifically in relative to the event [1:25:14] that ms. Moran mentioned, one with the [1:25:16] issue of vibrations, that was a $200,000 [1:25:24] per event of the event center. Because [1:25:26] they weren't able to comply with the [1:25:30] request for the reverberation made, this [1:25:34] is a san mateo corporation that put on [1:25:39] this event, they were asked not to come [1:25:41] back and that's because of our alliance [1:25:43] with the neighborhood. We are important [1:25:46] as a self supporting organization that [1:25:49] noise doesn't override our ability to [1:25:53] sustain that self sustainability and we [1:25:55] don't drive away our clients and we look [1:25:59] forward to working with city staff so [1:26:01] that doesn't happen. So such as [1:26:04] construction time, noise, process, our [1:26:06] buildings are old and not angered. We [1:26:07] are [1:26:10] working through an eir with county [1:26:13] council to achieve our best outcomes. We [1:26:15] look forward to continuing to work with [1:26:16] the community and the neighbors and the [1:26:19] city and hosting the project and looking [1:26:22] for developing as many positive outcomes [1:26:24] as we can along the way knowing that I'm [1:26:28] also a citizen of the city of san mateo [1:26:30] to work together to get to outcomes to [1:26:46] develop and minimize the noise in san [1:26:56] mateo. [1:26:57] public speaker: thank you, jonathan, I'm [1:26:59] speaking on behalf of myself and my [1:27:01] family on this add on comment. I want to [1:27:06] discuss pedestrian, public safety and [1:27:08] pedestrian and bicycle safety [1:27:11] specifically. Both on saratoga during [1:27:20] the construction period, but also the [1:27:22] city have a safer walking route for the [1:27:27] safe bus commuters and to the centers [1:27:31] from the parking lot during the [1:27:35] construction. Saratoga is going to be [1:27:36] less welcoming at best and quite [1:27:41] dangerous at worse. Both pedestrians and [1:27:46] bicyclist during the construction [1:27:47] period. [1:27:48] a suggestion that the city study and [1:27:50] potentially coordinate with the event [1:27:52] center and the county to provide a [1:27:56] pedestrian gate from bay meadows park to [1:28:00] the event center parking lot and that [1:28:02] suggestion would be at an appropriate [1:28:08] location where pedestrian safety and [1:28:10] bicycle safety can be taken into account [1:28:12] perhaps closer to nuevo school. Thank [1:28:13] you. [1:28:28] >>clerk: lily wu. [1:28:29] public speaker: hi, my name is lily wu. [1:28:34] >> please speak closer to the mic. [1:28:38] >> I would like to thank you for giving [1:28:41] us the opportunity to let you know how [1:28:42] we [1:28:45] feel. I live near with my children. I [1:28:48] represent my family and the community. [1:28:59] my concern mainly is the foundation or [1:29:02] the process and method of their trying [1:29:03] to [1:29:06] build the sewage tank. The reason for [1:29:08] that is already, I understand there is [1:29:09] already the way it is proposed right now [1:29:12] it could have some very possible [1:29:13] damages, [1:29:17] and I'm thinking, you know, in san [1:29:19] francisco, we have the problem with the [1:29:23] leaning building and then later on with [1:29:26] the bus terminal area. We are very [1:29:29] concerned about problems with [1:29:30] foundations [1:29:31] because the foundation is most important [1:29:32] to a building. And that is expensive in [1:29:42] the area and even to live in the area, [1:29:44] and if there is a problem affecting the [1:29:47] residents, I think is a lot of stress [1:29:49] because in our bay meadows neighborhood, [1:29:51] I think a lot of people are very [1:29:53] hardworking and a lot of money is going [1:29:55] into the residents but they work hard [1:29:56] for [1:29:58] that, and if something happens, how will [1:30:00] they be able to handle the damages and [1:30:05] the recuperate. Which could be coming [1:30:13] back to the city. So I would recommend [1:30:17] instead of going forward, with [1:30:25] the problems, take the preventative [1:30:27] method. If there is a problem, then [1:30:30] later it might be worse. If you are not [1:30:41] able to prevent the damages, maybe look [1:30:44] at it in a different way. And for the [1:30:47] people that are also of working class, [1:30:52] and to do well, if there is a lot of [1:30:54] noise, that is going to affect the [1:30:57] performance. I think my main concern is [1:31:06] that I don't think this is an ideal area [1:31:11] to have a sewage tank. I don't know if [1:31:13] it's too late to consider, or as was [1:31:18] suggested earlier, there is a location [1:31:19] in [1:31:22] the park that can serve the area better. [1:31:25] I really worry about it for everyone in [1:31:27] that area. Thank you. [1:31:36] public speaker: thank you for the [1:31:38] opportunity to speak as an individual. [1:31:40] I'm here representing myself and my [1:31:42] husband markle yot who was too sick to [1:31:43] be [1:31:46] here tonight. We are members of the land [1:31:51] homeowners associations association. I [1:31:53] want to mention there are numerous [1:31:54] errors [1:31:59] in the eir and I will send those [1:32:00] comments [1:32:03] to you. And I want to mention that [1:32:05] delaware is set to open when it would [1:32:08] start and 25th would close and traffic [1:32:10] would be very difficult and the same for [1:32:13] pedestrian and bicycle situation through [1:32:15] the construction area. Finally, I would [1:32:16] like to point you to design comments I [1:32:20] have sent via e-mail. I will not take [1:32:24] time to repeat those here but I'm [1:32:25] assuming [1:32:31] you will get that. And I would like to [1:32:33] thank you for being here. It's also an [1:32:37] opportunity to get things on course when [1:32:39] they seem off course in the community. [1:32:41] you have that opportunity tonight. Thank [1:32:43] you. [1:32:50] public speaker: hello, my name is mike [1:32:53] brat. I live on 10th street which is 150 [1:32:56] feet from where this tank is proposed to [1:32:58] go in. What is I find amazing is that I [1:33:03] was up here when bay meadows phase 1 [1:33:04] came [1:33:09] in and I said, look, one of the big [1:33:11] things is the sewage capacity. It barely [1:33:13] meets what we have. You need to increase [1:33:17] it. No no no. When phase two came in, we [1:33:28] said, it a big problem. And you said, no [1:33:30] no no, we are going to have more coming [1:33:34] in, are you goes to increase capacity? [1:33:36] no no, we are going to build a storage [1:33:40] tank. Well for 25 years with all of [1:33:41] these [1:33:42] developments we have been going over the [1:33:44] same stuff over and over again, sewer, [1:33:52] noise, vibration. Honestly, the [1:33:53] neighborhood is done. You have [1:33:56] surrounded us with development that is [1:33:58] just inundating our lives with nothing [1:34:01] that is redeeming. I take it back. I [1:34:04] like bay meadows, both phase 1 and phase [1:34:07] 2, they beat the expectation that I had [1:34:10] for them. I enjoy walking through them [1:34:13] and I enjoy it every single day every [1:34:16] weekend. I apologize for my comment. [1:34:19] however, the noise and all of the [1:34:21] construction impacts of those two [1:34:24] developments, and everything that's gone [1:34:26] on around us has taken our quality of [1:34:28] life and made it very stressful. My wife [1:34:33] is a two time cancer survivor. Her [1:34:34] cancer [1:34:36] came on about a year after saratoga was [1:34:41] done. I sustained $5,000 worth of [1:34:42] personal damage to the outside of my [1:34:45] house because of the fungal infection [1:34:49] that came from the air born stuff that [1:34:52] they tore off from saratoga. I asked for [1:34:56] it to be paid for, no, no, no, I [1:34:57] couldn't [1:35:03] prove it. I had proof, but it didn't [1:35:07] matter. But I'm here watching this and [1:35:09] hearing all the concerns which I 100% [1:35:12] appreciate all of the research that they [1:35:14] have done. I hope it doesn't fall on [1:35:18] deaf ears having lived through all this, [1:35:21] having been told everything is going to [1:35:22] be fine and then you find out it's not [1:35:26] fine. But it's already in process and [1:35:36] the impacts are horrendous. Listen to [1:35:38] their comments because they are going to [1:35:43] be impacted like when theirs was [1:35:54] developed. Thank you. [1:35:55] >> I have no more speaker slips. [1:35:58] >> okay, is there anyone else in the [1:36:03] audience that would like to come forward [1:36:04] and make some comments to the planning [1:36:07] commission? You can fill out the yellow [1:36:10] slip afterwards if need be. [1:36:17] >> james yang. [1:36:18] public speaker: thank you for the [1:36:20] opportunity to speak. My name is james [1:36:22] yang. I'm a resident of bay meadows, my [1:36:25] wife and I are and a member of the [1:36:26] meadow [1:36:29] walks and the bay meadows alliance and [1:36:34] the meadow walk homeowners associations. [1:36:38] I don't want to reiterate too much of [1:36:39] what my neighbors have been saying. I [1:36:41] have absolutely agreed with most of the [1:36:44] comments here tonight, and most of the [1:36:47] bay meadows residents have come to [1:36:51] understand that the sewage tank is a [1:36:53] result or I guess it's a solution for [1:37:00] waters that's overflow that's coming [1:37:01] from [1:37:02] pipes that are damaged up and through [1:37:03] the [1:37:05] hills and it's a result of rain and not [1:37:07] really a result of increased population. [1:37:11] we've come to understand that this is [1:37:16] necessary. The residents are a group of [1:37:31] public minding and decent citizens. I [1:37:34] would add that if we allow for potential [1:37:41] property damage or additional noise, [1:37:42] it's [1:37:44] really adding injury to insult. It's [1:37:47] adding an additional layer of things for [1:37:50] residents who have already come to [1:37:52] understand the need for something like [1:37:54] this and come to accept it and actually [1:37:56] be open to it. So I just wanted to add [1:38:00] that. Thank you. [1:38:02] >> thank you. [1:38:13] >> anyone else? Okay, we'll close the [1:38:16] public comment period. So continue or [1:38:18] take a short break? Okay. Are you okay? [1:38:26] okay. [1:38:27] so were there any questions or issues [1:38:28] that the public brought up that we can [1:38:31] provide additional information tonight? [1:38:49] >> I would like to introduce heather, [1:38:50] she [1:38:54] prepared the environmental impact [1:38:55] report. [1:38:56] >> I would like to address the public [1:38:59] comments. The public comments will be [1:39:02] considered and considered against the [1:39:04] evaluation that was conducted for the [1:39:05] eir [1:39:06] and formal responses will be made in a [1:39:10] final document and again, as derek [1:39:13] indicated, we are expecting that to be [1:39:17] sometime in the fall. But I did want to [1:39:19] address a few things that the [1:39:21] commissioners brought up. I believe the [1:39:22] agricultural question that you had was [1:39:25] addressed, but if you have additional [1:39:26] questions, we can go over that. There [1:39:27] was [1:39:29] some concern about the contamination or [1:39:30] a [1:39:32] question about the contamination and [1:39:33] there is a phase 1 site assessment in [1:39:34] the [1:39:37] report. I don't want to quote from it [1:39:39] because I don't have it in front of me, [1:39:41] but I would start there and review that, [1:39:46] and we can of course come back with full [1:39:50] quick summary on the contamination that [1:39:55] was determined not necessarily, there [1:39:57] were not soil samples that I understand, [1:40:00] but again, I don't want to quote from [1:40:01] the [1:40:04] report. [1:40:06] >> excuse me, is it in this report? [1:40:10] >> yes, the first part of the report [1:40:11] that [1:40:14] summarizes the phase 1 assessment and [1:40:18] there were errors on the phase 1 on the [1:40:21] thumb drive. [1:40:22] >> I don't have a thumb drive. [1:40:23] >> I'm sorry, I thought a thumb drive of [1:40:27] the reports was provided to the [1:40:31] commissioners? Either way, we can get [1:40:34] the report. It's on the website also. [1:40:39] the full eir and the attachments are on [1:40:43] the website for this attachment. [1:40:45] >> you gave it a name where the [1:40:47] contamination was? [1:40:48] >> a phase 1 site assessment. [1:40:52] >> phase one, thank you. So derek [1:41:07] provided a quick explanation of the [1:41:10] dewatering. If you have any questions on [1:41:12] that, I'm happy to provide an [1:41:15] explanation. He also responded to your [1:41:28] question of what a pedo meter is. [1:41:37] and a question about dewatering and a [1:41:40] question about dewatering to our [1:41:44] waterways. That method has not been [1:41:47] determined. It can also be removed via [1:41:50] truck. The method by dewatering has not [1:41:54] been determined. Regardless of the [1:41:57] method, the contractor will be required [1:41:59] to follow state requirements from the [1:42:03] regional quality control board and the [1:42:06] city of san mateo. The city has [1:42:10] requirements on disposing water as well [1:42:11] through their municipal code. [1:42:14] I believe derek responded to the [1:42:15] hotline, [1:42:17] we have received comments about the eir [1:42:20] via the hotline, the prime use of the [1:42:23] hotline again was during the 2018 rates [1:42:31] which I was not involved with and I [1:42:32] don't [1:42:34] want to necessarily get into that [1:42:36] discussion. [1:42:37] the hours of construction were [1:42:38] addressed, [1:42:41] the municipal code does have [1:42:42] construction [1:42:48] limitations, construction hour [1:42:49] limitations and currently the [1:42:51] construction is planned to be within [1:42:52] those limited hours. I can't tell you [1:42:55] specifically if they are going to arrive [1:42:57] at 7:00 a.m. And leave at 7:00 p.m.. But [1:43:01] I'm currently, the construction is [1:43:03] planned to occur within those time [1:43:04] limits [1:43:07] established by the cities municipal [1:43:08] code. [1:43:16] and there was a question about [1:43:22] consultation with native-american [1:43:23] heritage commission. We did follow the [1:43:26] requirements established by assembly [1:43:27] bill [1:43:33] 52 and there is a state consultation [1:43:34] with [1:43:36] tribes and letters and phone calls were [1:43:38] made and there were no tribes in the [1:43:39] area [1:43:42] that requested consultation. We did [1:43:43] receive one letter from the heritage [1:43:46] commission on the draft eir and that [1:43:47] will [1:43:48] be addressed through the mechanism of [1:43:49] the [1:43:52] final eir. That I think addresses the [1:43:54] bulk of the questions that you had. [1:44:05] >> I don't know if tonight is the night [1:44:07] to answer, but there is a question about [1:44:09] the table in the eir and talk about a [1:44:12] traffic study. [1:44:13] >> I'm sorry, you are right. That is a [1:44:14] question that I will have to research a [1:44:17] little bit further. I know that when the [1:44:19] eir was prepared, we did not have recent [1:44:23] date accounts on the roadways in the [1:44:25] area. So we used the materials that were [1:44:27] available. So I will have to go back and [1:44:29] take a look at that at that table to see [1:44:33] if we have updated counts and could [1:44:37] possibly update that analysis. [1:44:38] >> could I just ask of staff when the [1:44:44] station park green development went in, [1:44:45] I [1:44:48] assumed there was traffic data for that [1:44:53] area, right? [1:44:54] >> yes, but as you recall when station [1:44:56] park green went through the development [1:44:58] review process, it was during the [1:45:02] recession. So the traffic counts were [1:45:05] low. [1:45:06] >> what year was it? [1:45:07] >> it was probably around (2) 011-2012. [1:45:13] those were more current. It just jumped [1:45:16] out to me that it was 14 years old. And [1:45:20] in response to comments, we can update [1:45:22] the traffic counts in terms of what is [1:45:25] actually occurring on the ground. So [1:45:26] most [1:45:45] of the conversation tonight has been [1:45:49] about the draft environmental impact [1:45:52] report. The eir document, but we as a [1:45:54] planning commission can talk about the [1:45:56] design. I'm wondering if you have given [1:46:01] any thought to that or have comments or [1:46:04] questions? [1:46:05] >> I have a question for staff. In your [1:46:07] report you indicated there is a project [1:46:10] being done at the pacifica community [1:46:13] center. What methods are they using to [1:46:16] construct their project. Also on the [1:46:17] page [1:46:18] that you showed us, there was also a [1:46:24] sound barrier constructed as well. What [1:46:28] sound levels were shared with those [1:46:35] residents? [1:46:36] >> I don't have the construction. I only [1:46:38] have the photos that I shared and that's [1:46:42] the detail that I know. [1:46:44] >> any other comment? [1:46:45] >> I can make a comment on the design. I [1:46:48] guess I should go back. It's very [1:46:55] difficult, we got the information on [1:46:57] thursday. I know some of the residents [1:47:00] commented that they got it on friday. [1:47:03] it's not a long time to look at large [1:47:07] amounts of data. I feel very fortunate [1:47:09] that I was around on the public works [1:47:11] commission when this whole project was [1:47:14] being discussed and being developed and [1:47:15] we saw a lot of stuff from the seattle [1:47:19] trip that you all went on and got [1:47:25] information, real life information from [1:47:26] cities that were going through it. So, [1:47:30] this is an awful lot to take in over 4-5 [1:47:37] days. So, I think it would have been [1:47:40] helpful to have a presentation on this, [1:47:43] just presentation only to the planning [1:47:45] commission to sort of give some [1:47:48] background that would make it a lot [1:47:53] easier for us to analyze what's in the [1:47:56] eir based on the thought process that [1:47:57] was [1:47:58] gone through to develop the program [1:48:00] because it was a very detailed process, [1:48:05] and it's very beneficial to have that [1:48:18] process. I looked through the plans of [1:48:22] the building and the bay meadows is a [1:48:28] very appealing community, and it would [1:48:29] be [1:48:32] great if the building can look like the [1:48:34] houses in the area rather than the brick [1:48:38] so it blends more with the surrounding. [1:48:40] but that would be my only comment on the [1:48:45] structures because I admit, I wasn't [1:48:50] aware we were discussing the actual [1:48:53] aesthetic of the building. So I did take [1:48:56] a quick look, but it's only a quick [1:48:57] look. [1:49:08] >> so I have a few questions that relate [1:49:11] to other aspects of the project beside [1:49:15] the environmental document. There is [1:49:17] fencing proposed along saratoga and the [1:49:21] adjoining property line with the bay [1:49:24] meadows park. The documents we have say [1:49:31] -- is it an 8 or 6-foot. An 8-foot fence [1:49:41] and concrete wall. I think we can [1:49:44] provide direction as to which we would [1:49:47] prefer. Whether we prefer a metal, or [1:49:56] even wood. [1:49:57] >> through the chair if I can make a [1:49:59] comment. Right now the city and the [1:50:03] county and also the events that are in [1:50:07] negotiations on the screening material [1:50:08] whether it's going to be a cme wall or a [1:50:12] fence. That will most likely be part of [1:50:15] the easement negotiation that's being [1:50:20] taken now. [1:50:21] >> so, the planning commission can still [1:50:32] provide their preference and I don't [1:50:33] know [1:50:34] what will come of that at the moment. [1:50:36] >> okay, any preference? [1:50:50] >> not metal. [1:50:52] >> my comments is that what we have on [1:50:54] the other side of saratoga, and that [1:51:00] until the landscaping has reached a [1:51:03] certain maturity, it's going to feel [1:51:04] like [1:51:05] you are driving down the freeway with [1:51:06] two [1:51:07] sound walls. That was my comment there. [1:51:11] also this site plan had a location of [1:51:12] the [1:51:17] air exhaust. It was labeled as 16 inches [1:51:20] diameter and 10 feet tall and it's [1:51:27] located fairly adjacent to the sidewalk, [1:51:31] the public sidewalk. Is there any [1:51:35] latitude as to where that air exhaust [1:51:38] people can be located? Perhaps further [1:51:41] away from the public right-of-way? [1:51:43] >> we'll have to work with the engineer [1:51:45] of design and determine if that is [1:51:50] feasible. [1:51:51] >> and is there only one of those air [1:51:57] exhaust? [1:51:58] >> from my recollection of the plans and [1:52:00] I don't have it in front of me right [1:52:01] now, [1:52:02] I believe there should only be one. [1:52:03] >> okay. And then it was indicated that [1:52:16] there would be many at grade hatches. Do [1:52:19] we have how many of those. I know you [1:52:22] showed them in your presentation. [1:52:24] >> not at the moment. We are currently [1:52:34] passed 60% design and optimizing the [1:52:37] location of those vaults. [1:52:41] >> one of the public comment letters [1:52:52] posed the question about if there was a [1:52:55] spare the air, would construction [1:52:56] proceed [1:52:59] as normal or would construction recede [1:53:00] at [1:53:13] that time? [1:53:14] >> I don't have a response for that, but [1:53:16] we can take that into consideration. [1:53:19] >> okay, and the staff report talked [1:53:22] about as many as 200 vehicle trips per [1:53:27] day during the construction period. How [1:53:31] do we get a number that high and what [1:53:33] would the majority of them be the reason [1:53:38] for? [1:53:39] >> I would have to call in heather for [1:53:42] this. She has the number. There is a [1:53:45] separation of truck trips associated [1:53:46] with [1:53:48] the underground structure and truck [1:53:49] trips [1:53:51] associated with the pipeline [1:53:52] construction [1:53:53] that total the numbers that you stated. [1:53:56] >> right, the estimators for the [1:54:04] project and designers, we did our best [1:54:06] assessment of the type of construction, [1:54:09] the duration of construction, and the [1:54:10] types of equipment that would be [1:54:11] required [1:54:16] to not only build the holding structure [1:54:19] and the associated facilities but also [1:54:21] the pipeline. So the peak daily, we [1:54:24] don't have an average for each of the [1:54:27] different elements, but rather we [1:54:28] analyzed what is going to be the worse [1:54:35] case scenario on any given day but this [1:54:38] is maximum that would occur on any given [1:54:41] day. We estimated a total of 100 truck [1:54:44] trips and that would mean haul trucks, [1:54:50] bringing or removing, bringing equipment [1:54:53] and supplies or removing excavated soil. [1:54:57] for the holding structure and we are [1:54:59] expecting approximately 30 workers on [1:55:01] site. So we estimated a total of 60 [1:55:04] truck trips for those 30 workers. A [1:55:05] truck [1:55:08] trip is one trip in and one trip out. 30 [1:55:13] workers would generate 30 work trips, [1:55:14] one [1:55:16] in and one out. [1:55:18] the pipeline construction we are [1:55:19] expecting a peak of 30 heavy truck trips [1:55:22] per day, and 8 workers on a daily basis [1:55:26] for a total of 16 truck trips per day [1:55:27] for [1:55:32] a combined total of 206 truck trips or [1:55:36] 206 trips on a peak day. [1:55:39] so, just to point out, a point of [1:55:45] clarification, howe, the environmental [1:55:46] document assessed a truck trip as a 1.5 [1:55:50] passenger car equivalent. So for folks [1:55:52] who are reviewing the eir, they are [1:55:53] going [1:55:54] to see a peak number of combined trips [1:55:55] at [1:56:00] 271, but that is because the truck trips [1:56:02] that are holding the structure are [1:56:05] estimated at 150 passenger car [1:56:09] equivalence and a 45 passenger care [1:56:18] equivalence. [1:56:19] >> okay, based on what you told us, the [1:56:21] pipe line project is it going to run [1:56:28] concurrent with the the construction of [1:56:30] the tank? [1:56:32] >> that is going to be a shorter line. [1:56:33] we [1:56:36] are estimating about 13 months for the [1:56:39] construction of the pipeline, but there [1:56:43] will be concurrent construction. [1:56:44] >> okay. [1:56:45] >> for a total construction duration of [1:56:50] 25 months, expected construction [1:56:51] duration [1:56:52] of 25 months for the entire project, [1:56:54] pipeline and holding structure. [1:57:02] >> and then there was a comment tonight [1:57:05] by the public and I don't think it's [1:57:07] going to involve you, heather, you can [1:57:12] sit down. I remember reading it in the [1:57:17] online comments about looking at [1:57:23] installing a new pedestrian gate [1:57:26] between the bay meadows park and the [1:57:27] parking lot at the center that take the [1:57:33] shuttles to their jobs in the area. If [1:57:42] we do nothing, a possible safety issue. [1:57:47] >> that component for having an access [1:57:49] gate between the gate center and bay [1:57:52] meadows is not considered as part of [1:57:53] this [1:57:56] project, but dana is here to talk about [1:58:01] discussions with the recreation and [1:58:02] parks [1:58:07] department. [1:58:10] >> sheila and I have discussed and with [1:58:13] the issues with the center and the city. [1:58:15] one would be to create an access gate [1:58:16] for [1:58:18] those folks that are currently using the [1:58:20] soccer feeds as a relief measure for the [1:58:29] congestion on 28 and we are developing a [1:58:32] process to do that so that's in [1:58:36] conversation. [1:58:37] relative to the commuters, the google [1:58:38] and [1:58:39] facebook commuters that we host, that [1:58:43] traffic is automobile traffic coming [1:58:48] through the saratoga entrance. City [1:58:49] staff and I have worked through the [1:58:51] processes in which that won't be [1:58:54] interrupted based on times when buses [1:58:59] arrive and leave. It has to do with [1:59:01] commuter traffic making sure that if [1:59:02] there is a way that we can alleviate and [1:59:08] enhance safety for not only kids playing [1:59:21] in the park. The access is open to [1:59:24] delaware. It would be open for the park. [1:59:26] the access would be twofold and one [1:59:27] fore [1:59:30] soccer and for bay meadows residents or [1:59:34] any san mateo residents that are going [1:59:36] through the parking lot. Does that help [1:59:39] clarify that? [1:59:40] >> it's under negotiation? [1:59:41] >> right, we are working on that [1:59:45] separately. And then not a part of this [1:59:49] project. Thank you. [2:00:14] >> derek, in the work that you did with [2:00:20] seattle, did they ever address the [2:00:23] vibration and the noise issues? Were you [2:00:27] there to see it? [2:00:32] >> not to my recollection. The noise [2:00:39] issues in seattle, they were completed [2:00:40] or [2:00:42] not active construction sites. [2:00:46] >> I would be really interested to know [2:00:49] from them what their experience was on [2:00:51] this because theirs is a similar [2:00:55] situation with structures right there on [2:00:56] top of what it is they were building. So [2:00:58] I would be interested to know if the [2:01:02] structures were there when it was built [2:01:05] or if the structures came after it was [2:01:07] built. What the impact on those [2:01:10] structures was during their construction [2:01:13] because that's great information to get [2:01:16] from them, also from pacifica as well [2:01:18] since they have a neighborhood right [2:01:20] behind theirs. What sort of things were [2:01:25] they encountering during their [2:01:30] construction. I also would like to know [2:01:34] who is responsible, and who holds the [2:01:51] bill at the end. People commented that [2:01:54] the contractors shouldn't do the decibel [2:01:56] level, but if it is the contractors [2:01:57] doing [2:02:00] the work, who is responsible for it and [2:02:02] the damage and how would the city handle [2:02:05] it. I would like to know what the [2:02:06] thought [2:02:09] process is behind it. People mentioned [2:02:13] other construction methods. Are there [2:02:18] other construction methods, I don't know [2:02:20] about building something like that and I [2:02:22] know you probably looked at all the [2:02:25] different options. [2:02:26] >> I'm not too sure what other [2:02:28] construction methods the public comment [2:02:32] shared tonight other than methods of the [2:02:36] pipe. I'm not too sure about what other [2:02:40] alternatives. [2:02:41] >> have you investigated all of that in [2:02:45] your planning? [2:02:46] >> the design team has evaluated several [2:02:50] options for construction. [2:02:51] >> so they chose this method that's been [2:02:54] considered in the eir? [2:03:01] >> I would have to rely on heather for [2:03:12] that. [2:03:13] >> I'm sorry, can you repeat the [2:03:14] question? [2:03:15] >> my question is are there other [2:03:16] options [2:03:18] for putting supports down into the [2:03:19] ground [2:03:21] to support the tank. I'm not a [2:03:24] construction person so I'm not going to [2:03:26] say it right, but are there other [2:03:27] methods [2:03:30] other than driving piles or is that the [2:03:32] only method that's available to us? I [2:03:35] just want to understand how far along we [2:03:37] are in the process if it's already been [2:03:39] decided because that's the best option, [2:03:40] I [2:03:42] would like to know that. And if there [2:03:43] are [2:03:46] other options why weren't they selected? [2:03:49] >> so, I'm not the best person to answer [2:03:53] that either. I'm not a geotechnical [2:03:56] expert, I'm not a structural engineer, [2:03:59] I'm not an engineer. That would be a [2:04:02] better question for our structural folks [2:04:04] who are not here tonight. [2:04:08] >> I would be interested the know. [2:04:13] >> the eir did not evaluate other [2:04:19] construction methods. So we don't have a [2:04:21] construction evaluation. Based on the [2:04:25] geotechnical analysis and I'm venturing [2:04:28] into an area that I'm not an expert on, [2:04:30] this was the method to build a [2:04:33] structurally sound structure. So I would [2:04:35] say we can take that back to our team to [2:04:38] see what other terms fof method of [2:04:44] foundation have been explored and [2:04:45] provide [2:04:46] and answer for you. [2:04:48] >> I was just curious. I know a lot of [2:04:53] work has been done. It doesn't involve a [2:04:57] long answer. I'm just curious as to [2:04:58] other [2:05:03] options. Thank you. [2:05:13] >> I have a question for heather. You [2:05:17] were discussing other site location [2:05:20] options? What are they? [2:05:23] >> that was covered in the earlier [2:05:29] sites. There were 55 sites. [2:05:31] >> other sites. Okay, I interpreted [2:05:33] there were other site locations on the [2:05:38] event center parking area. [2:05:39] >> not within the center parking area. [2:05:42] this location through discussions with [2:05:43] the event center was the only feasible [2:05:45] location that they were willing to work [2:05:47] with the city on. [2:05:50] >> okay. [2:05:56] >> anything more? So let me ask a [2:05:58] question of city staff. I will start [2:06:01] there. So trying to understand what the [2:06:04] public talked about with respect to the [2:06:08] caltrain construction at 25th, that's [2:06:18] under the jurisdiction of caltrain which [2:06:22] is a regional entity, and what we are [2:06:25] talking about tonight, the underground [2:06:30] flow equalization storage is entirely a [2:06:36] city, a municipal project with the [2:06:38] exception of the easement that we are [2:06:39] asking for from the county for its [2:06:43] location. So we have what I'm getting [2:06:50] at is the midnight 2:00 a.m. [2:06:51] construction [2:06:52] that went on with caltrain, and that we [2:06:57] have more control with this project [2:06:58] because it's a city project in terms of [2:07:01] the hours of construction. [2:07:02] >> this project would be coming to the [2:07:05] city for a special use permit and a site [2:07:08] plan and architectural review and there [2:07:10] will be conditions of approval [2:07:11] associated [2:07:12] with those. So the construction hours [2:07:14] will be addressed in the conditions of [2:07:19] approval. [2:07:20] >> okay. Then one other question, by [2:07:34] calculations, the electrical building is [2:07:36] 37 feet long by 16 feet wide and a [2:07:37] little [2:07:41] over 13 feet tall. Does that sound about [2:07:46] right? Okay. And then the underground [2:07:50] storage area is a little over 200 feet [2:07:51] by [2:07:54] a little less than 150 feet in planned [2:08:04] mention and it was mentioned earlier [2:08:05] that [2:08:09] the depth of the storage was probably 50 [2:08:12] feet but that we would have to excavate [2:08:16] 25 feet below that in order to install [2:08:21] the structure? [2:08:22] >> the depth of the structure is [2:08:23] anywhere [2:08:26] from 32-50 feet. The bottom of it slopes [2:08:29] to facilitate the cleaning mechanism. In [2:08:33] terms of over excavation, I don't have [2:08:34] that information with me right now. [2:08:42] >> okay. [2:08:43] so we are onto comments? You are [2:08:48] finished. Comments? You are good. Well [2:08:53] my input would be that based on the [2:09:05] quantity of input we got from the public [2:09:07] and pretty much a consistent message [2:09:08] that [2:09:15] the project needs to go back and look at [2:09:22] an alternate method of construction and [2:09:27] avoid the pile of driving and the sheet [2:09:31] pile construction that were delineated [2:09:32] in [2:09:34] the environmental document. I think, I [2:09:36] agree with the residents. That's [2:09:45] unacceptable impacts to those homes, and [2:09:48] especially given the duration of this [2:09:51] project. That's it. Just to remind [2:10:03] everyone, you have until may 7 to submit [2:10:07] further comments and questions. We had [2:10:11] an e-mail address I think on the screen [2:10:12] at the end of the presentation. And [2:10:20] those concerns are to my understanding [2:10:22] will be addressed in the final [2:10:25] environmental impact report document [2:10:27] before it comes back to planning [2:10:29] commission and then onto city council. [2:10:32] so, thank you, everyone. If you could [2:11:07] take your conversation to the lobby. We [2:11:09] have to wrap up our meeting tonight. [2:11:13] thank you. So, a couple things. Romero [2:11:23] never got this document. It was passed [2:11:26] out at our last planning commission [2:11:28] meeting and he was absent. And then also [2:11:30] there was mention of a thumb drive with [2:11:34] some additional studies, we didn't get [2:11:38] that and I wasn't aware that that was [2:11:44] available. [2:11:45] >> I wasn't aware that a thumb drive was [2:11:47] available. [2:11:48] >> sometimes in the past we have gotten [2:11:49] a [2:11:50] cd at the back of the draft [2:11:51] environmental [2:11:54] impact report that we can look at. [2:11:58] >> I think another reason that we [2:12:01] included the link in the staff report is [2:12:03] that those technical studies are [2:12:05] available on the website. I realize that [2:12:07] is not a substitute for having a hard [2:12:11] copy. It's a little late now. [2:12:19] [ laughter ] [2:12:26] we apologize. You are correct, they were [2:12:30] handed out at the last planning [2:12:33] commission meeting. We can follow up on [2:12:36] the thumb drive, but again, that's the [2:12:38] reason we also included the link on the [2:12:40] staff report to the web page which has [2:12:46] the document. [2:12:52] >> okay. [2:12:53] >> from a planning point, we could have [2:12:56] handled it better. [2:12:57] >> I'm looking at page 3 of the staff [2:13:01] report where it lists attachment 8, the [2:13:07] geotechnical report. I had heard [2:13:09] references to that but I didn't know how [2:13:11] to get it. [2:13:12] >> if you go to the website listed in [2:13:13] the [2:13:15] staff report. It's got all of those [2:13:19] technical opinions. [2:13:20] >> can I add a statement of [2:13:27] clarification. The report is in the [2:13:30] attachments to the copies you received. [2:13:33] the phase 1 site assessment in [2:13:34] attachment [2:13:37] e is a 400 plus page document. So we [2:13:38] just [2:13:42] took the summary section of that [2:13:47] report and the remainder of that report [2:13:49] is available in full on the website. If [2:13:52] there is a request for that report to be [2:13:55] sent to you directly, please let me [2:13:56] know. [2:13:58] >> I think at this point since we closed [2:14:01] the public hearing, if there are [2:14:02] procedural questions about how can we [2:14:03] get [2:14:05] the documents, we can answer them if [2:14:07] there are questions about the documents [2:14:09] themselves, I think that would be better [2:14:13] handled in a public setting since we [2:14:15] closed the public hearing. [2:14:18] >> yeah. Okay. [2:14:23] >> okay. There are no off the record [2:14:26] questions at a public hearing. [2:14:31] but really, we have closed the public [2:14:35] hearing on this item. If there is more [2:14:37] information, we can forward it to the [2:14:39] planning commission. If there is [2:14:41] anything more, we have a may 6 deadline. [2:14:52] for making comments. I think since we [2:14:56] closed the public hearing, we should [2:14:57] move [2:15:00] onto other business. [2:15:02] >> reports and announcements. [2:15:06] >> okay, let's see, on april 15th, the [2:15:11] city council will be holding a public [2:15:13] hearing on the modifications to the [2:15:14] water [2:15:16] quality control plant that the [2:15:17] commission [2:15:19] heard earlier in march. [2:15:25] if you happen to be at the extravaganza [2:15:31] on saturday april 20th, we'll have a [2:15:32] book [2:15:34] on the efforts that the city has entered [2:15:37] into with the county to provide [2:15:39] affordable housing issues. It's mainly [2:15:41] informational as well as a general plan [2:15:45] information booth. We'll be there that [2:15:48] day. [2:15:49] at your next meeting april 23rd, there [2:15:51] will be a study session on the [2:15:55] mid-peninsula proposal and the new [2:15:58] downtown parking garage and the former [2:16:02] redevelopment sites downtown. [2:16:03] additionally we will have the return of [2:16:08] the kerry school modification. I can't [2:16:10] recall which commissioners were on the [2:16:11] commission when we heard it in study [2:16:16] session. [2:16:17] saturday, april 27th, again the city has [2:16:18] entered into an agreement with home for [2:16:20] all through the county of san mateo to [2:16:23] provide a forum for a housing [2:16:24] discussions [2:16:27] outside of a specific general plan [2:16:29] discussion, outside of the discussion on [2:16:33] a specific development project. Home for [2:16:37] all will be facilitating discussions at [2:16:39] this meeting which will be from 930-1130 [2:16:43] at san mateo high school in the [2:16:46] cafeteria. The hope is that not only in [2:16:55] attendance will be people that are [2:16:59] normally involved in housing issues, but [2:17:01] people that are not normally involved in [2:17:03] civic affairs. That is the reason we are [2:17:06] going to the eggs extravaganza and city [2:17:13] staff will be setting up and phil's [2:17:21] coffee shop downtown. The commission is [2:17:23] welcome for all to come saturday but in [2:17:29] the guise of being observers rather than [2:17:34] participants. In the may 14 and 28, we [2:17:37] do have planned planning commission [2:17:39] meetings. We have items on those [2:17:40] agendas. [2:17:43] so, those would include a review of the [2:17:49] bay meadows annual development [2:17:50] agreement, [2:17:51] as well as a return of the windy hill [2:17:59] project on the program and construction. [2:18:01] that's what we have in may for the [2:18:05] planning commission. That concludes [2:18:10] staff announcements. [2:18:11] >> did you want to give an update on the [2:18:15] 432 virginia avenue? [2:18:22] >> yes, we have responded. Now, if you [2:18:28] can recollect, did you get cc'ed on the [2:18:37] staff response, there is a building [2:18:38] permit, the results of the building [2:18:42] permit indicate and we've had an [2:18:44] inspection on the property and the work [2:18:46] is within the scope. We have sent a [2:18:48] letter to the property owner and [2:18:51] indicated that it is a permit issue for [2:18:55] the single family dwelling and in the [2:18:56] code that include the single family [2:18:59] dwelling and the definition of dwelling [2:19:01] and I will provide a copy of that letter [2:19:04] to you shortly after adjournment. [2:19:07] >> okay. Any announcements? [2:19:09] we are adjourned. [2:19:09] >> okay. Any announcements?