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Now, I don't know that gentleman, but he
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okay.
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We'll call the meeting to order.

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» All right, roll call. Uh Chairperson
Gambling.

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» Present.
>> Ms. Johnson.

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» Here.
>> Ms. [clears throat] Warner.

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» Here.
>> Ms. Shira.

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» Here.
>> Um Ms. Bouncing.

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» Here.
>> And Ms. Mizuta.

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» Here.
>> Roll call has been called.

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» Okay.
The swearing in.

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» Yep, swearing in of witnesses. Uh
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that is based on facts and not on public
opinion. Therefore, everyone that is

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going to be testifying today
will need to be sworn in. All witnesses

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who plan on testifying must raise your
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Uh do you swear to tell the truth and
nothing but the truth?

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» I do.
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» All right, all witnesses are sworn in.
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Before we get started, we have the
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minutes. So, did everybody read the
minutes? Is there any corrections or

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anything that needs to be deleted or
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I'll make a motion that we approve the
March 31st meeting minutes. Second.

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» And we done.
>> There we go.

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» Okay.

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So, it's been moved and second. All in
favor signify by saying I. I. I. No

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opposed. Okay.
Um now, the housing I got a message that

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we're not going to cover that today.
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» No update. Okay. All right, so we will
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the agenda, there is none. So, we will
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» Yes, so new business tonight is case
number 26-0080.

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Sharice Clinton for Tavaris Jamal LLC is
appealing the notice of order of

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violation for a person living in a
trailer parked in the backyard behind

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819 Perry Street Sandusky, Ohio 44870
parcel number 57 - 02349.000

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» [clears throat]

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» I'm code compliance manager Craig Ward.
I will be doing the presentation

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tonight. So up on our slideshow tonight
819 Perry Street. This started with a

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complaint that we received on March 27th
of 2026. The original complaint came

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into office of code compliance
about a junk trailer parked on an

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unapproved surface
behind 819 Perry Street on April 14th,

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2026. The following pictures were taken
from a neighboring property.

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This was adjacent to the property. The
pictures you're looking at here. I

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believe we're looking at an East
Northeast direction.

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Here's a couple other pictures just
showing an easterly direction of the

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trailer that's parked in the backyard.
For perspective, I just included this

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aerial drawing from um
the Erie County Auditor's site showing

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819 Perry and the orange arrow indicates
where the trailer is located toward the

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rear of the property. This I think from
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2026.
Um on April 20th, 2026 an inspection was

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performed.
During this inspection John Ferris from

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the office of code compliance was there.
City building official Scott Tom,

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property owner Sharice Clinton and
myself.

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Just I included my inspection notes from
the day of the inspection just saying

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that all of us met in the backyard of
the property to view the camping unit.

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The owner stated she lives in the camper
which is situated in the north-south

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direction along the rear property line.
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to take the unit and basically move it
on and off the property like a normal

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camper.
Um like you'd do for camping.

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Uh, no permanent water sewer connections
were observed. The owner stated that the

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unit is winterized during the cold
months, um, and just recently filled the

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fresh water tank. She stated that she
can use the house and the local gym for

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showering. The owner was informed that
campers, uh, may be stored on properties

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if on an approved surface or improved
surface.

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Um, but the owner cannot occupy and live
in the camping unit. The owner expressed

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no interest in abating the new the
issue, uh,

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as she stated at that time.
The owner was informed that a violation

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notice, uh, would be issued. Uh, Scott
Thom did also address some things, uh,

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concerning the deck in the back being in
violation.

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So, the same day, April 20th of 2026, a
notice of violation was issued and sent

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certified mail and certificate of
mailing to the owner,

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um, with a compliance and reinspection
date of May 1st, 2026.

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The violation that was documented is,
uh, Sandusky City Ordinance 1341.10.

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Um, and I'm not going to read the whole
thing to you, but I know it's in your

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packet, it's up on the board. But,
basically it's just saying that

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basically you cannot occupy any dwelling
that's not in compliance.

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By definition, a camping unit is not
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temporary housing structure, and that's
why [snorts] I included these

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definitions in the presentation.
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uh, when we before a reinspection could
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property owner filed an appeal to
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2026, which has kind of brought us here
tonight. And that's all I really have

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for my presentation.
If anybody has any questions for me,

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And that this would be your opportunity
if you'd like to come up and address,

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um,
the Housing Appeals Board.

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» Okay. Where do I go?
>> Uh, right up here to the podium.

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» [clears throat]
>> Hi, Andrew. Hi, how are you? So, we're

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going to ask you to state your name and
address for the record.

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» Sherice Clinton, 819 Perry Street.
>> Okay.

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» Okay. So, as he said, when I originally
got this trailer, it was not meant to

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stay back there. That wasn't the purpose
of it. But, because of, you know, um my

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neighbor
passing away, things changed. Um

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so, it was stuck back there. So, I said,
"Well,

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it's back there." I mean,
what could I do about it? I didn't worry

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about it. It was already back there. So,
I said I might as well stay in it. You

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know what I mean? But, I travel around
so much. When John originally called me,

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told me about the complaint, I've known
him a very long time. He know what I do.

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He know that I travel around a lot. I
even explained that to Craig when he

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came over there, cuz they were saying
that this was a temporary housing.

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This whole year, it's June now, I
probably stayed in there a month, maybe.

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Cuz I'm just I travel around. But, I
guess, um

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for me, it kind of makes me feel like
I'm being targeted or discriminated

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against, honestly, because I don't
bother

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anybody, and I own that piece of
property. Um so, I don't understand why

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my trailer can't sit back [cough] there.
It's on blocks. It's it's in compliance

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because it's on blocks.
I don't understand what

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the issue is. You know? I just I don't I
don't understand the issue.

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» So, question. So, do you own the trailer
or who is this to What's his name?

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Tavaris?
>> Tavaris Jamel.

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» Okay, so who is that?
>> That's my business.

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» That's your business.
>> Mhm.

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» Okay, so
not getting personal, but what type of

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business is it?
>> Um well, I had a beauty supply store and

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I'm a stylist.
Um it's just my business name and I put

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the trailer in my home [clears throat]
in my business name.

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» All right.
>> May I ask a question?

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» Yeah.
>> How did it get back there if you can't

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get it out?
>> Well, I got it delivered. So, what

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happened was like in the front of my
house, you really can't tell it's this

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big old long fence. So, probably about
midway through, a piece of it got stuck

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on the fence because up at the top it
got like those little hook things, but

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it got stuck. So, the neighbors let me
remove like a little piece of their

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fence to so it'll finish going in there
and then he told me when I got ready to

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move it out, he would let me do the same
thing. But then he since passed away,

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you know? So,
it was it's just stuck.

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» Ma'am, can you speak into the
microphone? Bend that to you.

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» Okay, microphone.
>> [cough]

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[clears throat]
>> So, we can hear you. Thank you.

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» Okay.
>> So, do you live in the trailer?

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» Um when I'm here, yes, I do.
>> But you own the property, so there's a

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house on it, correct?
>> It is.

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» So, you don't live in the house?
>> No, it's occupied by five women.

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» I mean, are you renting it to them?
>> I'm not.

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» I
>> Oh, go ahead. Go ahead.

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» You You mentioned that the previous
owner passed away the owner of the

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fence. Have you contacted the new owners
>> Well, it's still

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» about the dilemma you're facing here?
>> It's still the same people. It's just

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the husband passed away and then the son
is in control of everything now and he's

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just like, "No, it's not going down."
>> [clears throat]

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» So, I don't I don't know.

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» Well, per the statutes, you can't live
in that.

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And that's why we're here today
primarily. I mean, even though you are

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um
on rocks and based on what, you know,

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the city is saying,
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it may be
fit at this point because it is on the

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rocks, but the other part of that is it
can't be considered a standard dwelling

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because you have no electricity.
>> I have electricity.

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» So, how do you have the electricity
running?

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» I had electric ran
from the house.

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» Now, that's
I'm not going to say it's illegal. I'm

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going to say that that can be a fire
hazard. So, that's something that needs

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to be considered in this. Do you have
running water? Now, the understanding I

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have based on this is saying that you um
shower

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All right, see, you go to the gym and
shower.

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» Mhm. Or to my mom's. My mom is the one
that live in the house in front. I want

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to be close to my mom, but now I can't
stay with my mom. I'm 49 years old, but

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that means she's 20-something years
older than me. So, I want to be close to

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her without being there. You know,
women have all different types of

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attitudes and it's like a five women in
that house. I need my own space.

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So, when I'm around, I go in the
trailer.

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» [clears throat]

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» Go ahead.
>> I have a few questions.

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How many times a month do you live in
that trailer?

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» Um this month I've stayed in there
around eight days.

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» Eight days?
Eight straight days or different days?

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» No, chopped up. I did a few weeks in
Miami, and I just got back from Africa.

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So, when I come back, I'll stay, and
then I leave again.

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» Okay. Um you say you you're under an
LLC. What kind of business is that?

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» Uh it was a beauty supply store.
>> Beauty supply store? Okay.

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» [clears throat]
>> Where's your store at?

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» Um I actually just sold it in March.
>> Was it in Sandusky?

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» Mhm.
>> Where at?

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» It was sorry. It was on
Washington Street right down the right

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down the street next to Circle K.
>> Okay. And you say there's five women

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living in your 819 Perry rental. You
rent that out to five women?

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» No, I don't rent it out. I just let my
mom stay there.

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It's basically her house.
>> Oh, it's your mom's house. Okay.

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Um
Okay, just a second here.

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Um so your mom lives there with four
other women.

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» Yes.
>> And you have to live in the trailer when

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you come up?
>> I just need my own space. When I come

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around, I go sleep in the trailer.
>> Does she not have room at in at the 819

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Perry Street for you?
>> No, and I don't want to stay there.

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» You don't. Okay, so I'm confused. Where
is your Where are you living? What

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Where's your residence at? You here in
Sandusky or someplace else?

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» Well, I really don't have a residence.

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I don't have a permanent place.
>> Well, technically you have a residence

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because remember in the beginning I
asked you you have to state your name

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and your address. So under what they
consider the mail law, if you're

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receiving mail at a particular
residence, that is considered your home.

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So
technically you do have a residence,

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which is the Perry Street address.
>> Right.

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» Now the things that you are allowed to
do at your home, as long as you're not

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in violation, there's nothing that we
can do. But there is a violation here.

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So, that's what we're going to have to
work out today on what is going to be

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the best solution
at this point.

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» Okay.
>> You You can't live in there.

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» Okay, I still have some more questions.
Questions.

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» Okay. [clears throat]
>> Okay.

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Um how long has the trailer been on the
back lot?

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» Since 2024.
>> 2024, okay. Is there an alleyway back

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there?
>> No.

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» No?
Okay. So, in order to get that trailer

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out of there, you have to ask the
neighbor to take down his fence.

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» Correct.
>> Okay.

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Do you think he would be agreeable to
that?

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» Well, I've already tried.
That's I've already tried.

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» And he says no?
>> He says no.

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» Okay.
>> be back there, to be honest with you.

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» Okay, so what kind of shape is your
trailer in?

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» It's a brand new trailer. It's a 2025,
and I purchased it in 2024.

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» Okay.
Um

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» [snorts]
[sighs and gasps]

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» There's There's a question here about
404 Reese.

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» Mhm.
>> Uh where does that come in at?

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» Well, that was my mother's home, and
it's since been sold.

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» Okay, she sold that, and she's now
living at Perry.

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» Correct.
>> Okay.

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All right.
Okay, I guess that's all I have.

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» Hold up. Um Mindy, what?
>> Has the trailer ever been moved out of

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the backyard?
>> No.

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» So, you put it in in 2024,
and you said your intent was to take it

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places. When did the person next door
pass?

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» He passed away last year. He passed away
in 2025.

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» So,
why was it never moved? You said you got

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it cuz you wanted to take it places and
>> [clears throat]

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» places, but you've never in the time
where you still had the permission to

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move the fence,
you never moved it. You never

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[clears throat] took it.
>> Mhm. Because I still had my store. So, I

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tried to remove it once I sold my store.
That's when I found out that it wasn't

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happening.
>> So, it just so happens when you sold the

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stores when all this came to fruition
that someone said there was a trailer in

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your backyard.
>> That's what I'm saying. Ain't that

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weird? Now, I sold the store in March.
And then when it started getting when

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the weather started changing, that's
when I wanted to take it out. And that's

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when I was told I wasn't able to take it
out.

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And then they get a complaint, which I
don't understand.

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» So, it sounds like I mean, since you
bought it in 2024 and it never went out,

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you bought that to live I mean,
to have in the backyard.

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» Well, no because
>> took it out.

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» Well, no because when I purchased it, I
was at the 404 Reese house rehabbing it.

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» So, it was still in the backyard though.
>> It It was still in the backyard, but I

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was at 404 Reese Street and my mother
was at 819 Perry Street. I only went

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there once the 404 Reese Street house
sold.

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» When was that?
>> About 5 6 months ago.

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It was around
October, November maybe

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of last year.
>> So, like 8 months?

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» Somewhere up in there, yeah.
>> So, you were living on Reese Street, mom

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was on Perry Street, trailer's never
been moved.

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» No.
>> Okay.

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» And the only reason cuz it was it was
sideways. Like soon as you pull it in,

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so it's facing like this. So, it was
facing to be able to just pull back out.

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When the neighbors told me I wasn't able
to move it, I moved it to the back of

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the yard because it wasn't originally
there.

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» Do you have a vehicle big enough to tow
the trailer?

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» I don't.
>> So, how were you ever going to get the

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trailer out?
>> Well, because I was supposed to buy a

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truck, but I just bought a Lincoln and I
bought it maybe four or five months ago

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and I only bought it because they told
me I couldn't move the fence to pull the

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trailer. So, I felt like this is it.
What am I get a truck for?

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That's why I bought a car, but I was
buying a truck to pull it.

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» Lisa, you got a question, huh? Go ahead.
>> Um

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my question is more along the lines of
our code. Do we have any part of the

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code that would
make it an accessory dwelling? What

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would she have to do to be in compliance
to have that trailer there? Do we have

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anything in code that allows that?
>> I think I'd defer to Adam probably on

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the accessory structure.
>> Hi, I'm Adam. I'm assistant city

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planner. Craig asked me to be here for
some support. Um yes, I can answer the

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question. It's no. The short answer is
no. We don't currently have any

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provisions in our planning and zoning
code

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or any other [clears throat] code that
I'm aware of that would permit an

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accessory dwelling unit or if I might
add um

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or I guess
I'll answer that question for now, but I

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can take any other related ones.
>> Um I just had like a follow-up, but it's

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not it's
What can she do to remove it based upon

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What are the Does she have If there's a
If she needs to remove her property,

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what can be done because it has to
traverse over somebody else's property?

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Is there anything that can be done
to remove it?

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» Um as far as I'm aware, I mean
>> Legally, does she have any right to

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remove that from her?
>> I mean, it got there one one way.

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» Right.
>> So, in my opinion, there's there is a

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viable route. It's just what route will
the city allow

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» Yeah.
>> the appellant to take.

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» Does she have to go to court to try to
remove it? Does she have to get an

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order?
>> I'm not exactly certain. The law

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director can feel free to step in, but I
I've seen things like temporary work

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easements. It's like the most formalized
way you can do it, but

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I I would expect neighbors to behave
that as neighbors and you know, allow

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» She's got a brand new trailer. I see why
she wants to use it.

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» Alternatively, the the appellant could
rent a crane. That would be the most you

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know, you know, severe option, but I
think it would exist since you're asking

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the question.
>> All right.

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I have another question if everybody's
done.

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» I'll go ahead.
>> Um you said that

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is this classified as a trailer home or
an RV?

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» It's a trailer. It's a one-bedroom
trailer.

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» One of those trailers that you would put
in a home trailer park?

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» Um no, it's one of the pool travel
trailers.

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It would attach to the back of like your
car.

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» Yeah. Truck.
>> Oh, okay.

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» Type of trailer.
>> Okay. That you haul around.

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» Go camping.
>> How many How many feet is long is that

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trailer?
>> 27.

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» 27-ft? Okay.
Um you said that you travel around on

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business a lot and when you come into
town eight days out of the month, you

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you live in the trailer. Where do you
live when you're traveling around?

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» Hotels, Airbnbs, hostels.
>> You live at in Airbnbs?

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Okay.
And And where where else do you do you

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go to hotels or what?
>> Uh yeah.

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» Okay.
>> When I'm traveling, yeah, cuz I fly.

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» You fly?
>> Mhm.

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» Okay.
Okay.

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That's all I have.
>> If I may?

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» Go ahead.
>> You mentioned that the trailer was

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repositioned from where you originally
had it located. I guess

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uh parallel to the fence and then it
relocated perpendicular.

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» Mhm.
>> How was it moved?

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» One of those dingos.
>> I'm sorry, but I don't know what a dingo

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is.
>> One of those

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little small dingos that you get on it
it had the the hitch and it hitched to

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the top of it and then it just move it.
>> So it's motorized type of thing?

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» Yeah. Hitch it to a truck.
>> Okay.

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» What's the complaint?
>> Okay.

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I I If I may, I have one other question.
>> Mhm.

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» How How did you ask the neighbor? Was it
verbally? Was it written? How How did

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you make contact with neighbor to ask
him about to take the fence down

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temporarily so you could
>> Well, I talked to them all the time, you

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know, like I've known their family my
whole life, you know. This is why the

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husband allowed me to do it. So things
didn't change until he passed away and

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the son got involved. So I don't know um
the son just

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uh
he just won't allow it to happen.

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I don't know.
>> If If it did happen, whose cost would

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that be? On on you or would it be on him
or

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» No, it would be on me. Uh when I remove
like the little piece putting it in

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there, I fixed it right back.
I thought it it just wasn't going to be

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an issue.
>> Okay.

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» [clears throat]
>> And then I I do have one question then

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for the the city representatives. As we
see trailers temporary when people come

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in for a weekend and so on
park in a driveway. How is that

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different than what we're seeing here?
>> Sure. So

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» Like a weekend type of thing it's not a
dwelling.

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» Parking your own personal recreational
vehicle is very different than using

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that as a dwelling.
From the perspective of the planning and

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zoning code,
this camper, however it may be

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classified, however long it is, it has
wheels on it. Anything with wheels on it

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per my code
is mobile and therefore does not fit the

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definition of a permanent structure.
To be a dwelling of any kind,

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it needs to fit that definition. It
needs to be a permanent structure. It

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has wheels, it can't be a dwelling. So,
her property is zoned R140 single family

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residential district, which permits
exactly one dwelling and any customary

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accessory buildings, sheds, garage,
detached garages, what have you. But

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again, those even those customary
accessory buildings or structures

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are permanent. This has wheels, it's
it's not a permanent structure. So, that

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that would be really the difference.
>> Okay.

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» So, do you think your neighbor
just say maybe you got a letter from the

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city that said that you have to move it
and that you'd be willing to pay for it,

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would they be willing to work with you?
>> Um maybe.

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I can't I don't It's not even the mom.
It's not Miss Ernestine. It's her son.

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» No, well
>> Because

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» I'm just saying. I mean, the son
And again, I don't know the situation.

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» Mhm.
>> So, and I don't know

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who has the legal standing on that,
whether it's in her name or in his name.

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But I'm just saying from the standpoint
here that

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you know, okay, he's being difficult.
So, maybe to get around that, if you had

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a letter from the city that states that
you need to move this. Because if they

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know you, they don't want to see you go
to jail. They don't want to see you in

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court. I wouldn't. So, and if you had a
letter from the city that says I need to

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move this or this is what's going to
happen to me, but I'm willing to pay to

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have this done, would you be willing to
work with me? So, that's what I'm I'm

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just asking if you think that they would
be accommodating in that sense.

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» I would [clears throat] hope so
because I don't have a problem moving

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about it moving it moving it.
It wasn't supposed to stay there

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permanently anyway.
>> So, then to the city I ask

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I mean, are we in
reason or within guidelines to give her

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something to state to them that she has
to have this moved and then she can

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offer to pay whatever. We wouldn't be
taking care of that, but if we gave her

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some type of legal letter of some sort
that we she needs to move it, can we do

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that?
>> Uh the answer is yes, we could.

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» Okay.
So.

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» One more question.
>> Okay.

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» When you first put that trailer on there
like a year or so ago,

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um
who

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did you have somebody who owned a truck
to put that in there or

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» No, the place where I bought it from,
they delivered it.

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» They brought it in for you? Okay. Okay,
now if this guy takes down his fence,

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can you scoot it out on his driveway or
are you going to dig up his lawn while

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you're bringing that out?
>> No, my mother's driveway go from the

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front of the street all the way to where
the backyard begins. So, it's like long,

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like maybe 20 or 30 ft worth of
driveway. So, once the little piece of

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fence go, then the trailer will just
come out.

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» So, it would cross over to his property
and then back around to your mother's

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driveway?
>> Um not really cuz it was just like a

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like a section of his fence that stuck
on my trailer cuz my trailer just went

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all the way in down my driveway.
So I just had to move that little

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section right there so I could get in
there.

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» May I approach? I'm looking at the
satellite view.

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» Yes.
>> It's a better view than the one we have.

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» Can we bring that up? Can we bring that
up on this?

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» He going to try but if he can't the the
>> [laughter]

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» He going to bring it to us and
[clears throat] let us see it.

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» Where is where's the trailer now?
>> The trailer is on this property.

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» [laughter]

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» It's a brand new trailer.
>> That's her mother's driveway. Oh, okay.

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» Trailer [clears throat and cough] is
back here.

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» Yeah, the trailer is back here. Looks
like there used to be like a shed or

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something back here.
>> Okay.

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» So once she gets that over and across to
that driveway

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» The trailer is just too wide to make it
through there. So the fence is there's a

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shadow here.
>> Oh, okay.

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» Okay.
>> Can you show the other board members so

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they can see?
Thank you.

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» This is the driveway that she tried to
get in. This driveway is that like a big

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piece of
>> Oh, there it is.

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» You see this chain link fence?
>> There's the driveway.

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» Yeah.
>> Yeah, I think if we

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» We going to give her a letter and she
>> Go all the way to the end of the house.

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» This must be the fence.
>> You know.

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Know who does what with that.

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» 60 days.
>> Yeah.

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» All right, is there
>> You have a question?

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» Are there any more questions? Um
So

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We going to work a plan with you. So
give give me a second here. So Mrs.

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Sherrod
>> I'd like to make a motion if I could.

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Can I It's a couple of parts. Number one
is I'd like to

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request the city to provide the
documentation that we discussed here

425
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briefly to her
uh

426
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and that's uh like get that done here in
the next few weeks if we could.

427
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The second part of the motion would is
we delay a decision on this

428
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uh for approximately 90 I would say 90
days. That gives you uh plenty of time

429
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to go ahead and make contact with your
neighbor and

430
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:11,720
hopefully it'll get resolved and this
issue will go away. If not, we'll be

431
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back here in uh
90 days.

432
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» Okay. It's a long time.
>> I I think this may take a while.

433
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,160
» It may take a while.
>> Yeah.

434
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:23,800
» And
as long as she's working at getting it

435
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taken care of, I don't see a problem
with that. Does anyone else see a

436
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:31,520
problem? But if you have any
stipulations or questions, this is time

437
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to ask.
Okay. [clears throat]

438
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:44,760
So, there is a motion on the floor for
the city department to give a letter to

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her and we're giving her 90 days to work
this out with her

440
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um neighbor.
So, here's a motion. Can I get a second?

441
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:01,440
» I'll second it since I didn't talk.
>> [laughter]

442
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,680
» So, it's been moved
>> Wait a minute. I'd like to discuss this

443
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,520
also.
>> Well, she was given a sec

444
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:10,440
» Well, you can't [laughter] I mean I I
left that open for you. So, now it's

445
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been motioned and a second motion. So,
we can't can't can't change it now.

446
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:17,840
» But you can ask questions.
>> Well, first we have to finish the

447
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,280
motion.
>> Yeah.

448
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:23,280
» So, it's been moved and second. All in
favor signify by saying I.

449
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,440
» Are there any questions?
>> No. Any opposed?

450
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:29,000
» Opposed.
>> Okay.

451
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:35,560
Um
>> I think 90 days I think

452
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:39,920
60. I was thinking 30, but I think 60
would be favorable cuz if we do 90 days,

453
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that's putting us into October meeting
before we would see her again.

454
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Cuz we meet at the end of the month.

455
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,520
Cuz it would be
>> I think 90 days is too long. That's too

456
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,360
long.
>> Either the

457
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:57,560
It's a cut and dried. Either the
neighbor's going to move the fence or he

458
00:30:56,120 --> 00:31:02,880
isn't. It's cut and dried.
>> Well, again, but but you don't have to

459
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:08,720
deal with the neighbor. She does. So, if
90 days that you guys feel is too long,

460
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:12,600
the motion has died. We can redo a
different motion if that's what you guys

461
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:17,080
choose to do.
So, same motion is out there.

462
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:22,840
» She will get a letter from this Excuse
me.

463
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:27,560
» I heard two nays. Was there a third?
>> So, I am actually abstaining. So, Lisa,

464
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,960
you would actually be the deciding for
this.

465
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,760
» Oh, I'm in favor of the motion.
>> No, no.

466
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:36,800
» She can't vote.
>> Who's Yes, she can't vote. There's two

467
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:40,400
two. That means the motion fails.
>> She can discuss but not vote.

468
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,760
» So, so the motion has died. Is that what
you're saying? That's what I need to

469
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,280
know.
>> Yes. Yes.

470
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:47,720
» Okay, so
>> I wasn't sure of the final tally.

471
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:51,760
» Okay, got you. So, we are going to redo
the same motion, which we can do that

472
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,840
with the different changes, correct?
>> Yes.

473
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:56,920
» Okay, so now
I'm explaining it again for the last

474
00:31:55,520 --> 00:32:03,360
time.
The motion is that the city will provide

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00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:10,120
Ms. Clinton with a letter.
We are giving her 60 days to address the

476
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:14,560
letter and everything with her neighbor
in order to have this moved before our

477
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:20,400
next meeting.
All in favor signify Well, first of all,

478
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:23,600
can I get a second to the motion?
>> I'll second it.

479
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:26,200
» Okay.
It's been moved and second. All in favor

480
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,560
signify
>> Wait a minute. What happened to the

481
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:32,240
discussion?
>> It After you

482
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:35,280
» Okay, so I'm not understanding this
because we had 90 days. Now we're down

483
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:39,080
to 60 days.
>> first of all, I just asked you did you

484
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:45,280
have any questions? So, I'm not going to
keep going back and forth. The substance

485
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:48,600
of this is at this point 90 days you
guys

486
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:51,200
voided it cuz you didn't want to go with
that.

487
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,760
» So, now the motion has been put back out
there with 60 days.

488
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,320
» Okay.
>> Are you with it or not?

489
00:32:55,400 --> 00:33:01,480
» No.
>> Okay, so you you stated no, but first of

490
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:05,040
all, we haven't even had
the whole

491
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:09,440
meeting done at this point. So, first of
all, all in favor signify by saying I.

492
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,520
» I.
>> Any opposed?

493
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:17,120
» I oppose.
>> Okay. Can I get a

494
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:19,600
um a vote count?
And I'm abstaining.

495
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:23,240
» I'll vote.
>> Katrina.

496
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:25,120
» Miss Sherrod.
Mr. Sherrod.

497
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,400
» Yeah.
Yay.

498
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,760
» Miss Janice.
>> Yes.

499
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:39,320
» Miss Johnson.
>> No.

500
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:45,480
» Miss Mindy.
>> Yes.

501
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:51,240
» Motion passes.
>> Okay, motion is passed. So,

502
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:55,680
to clarify so that there is no
misunderstanding on this part. So, we

503
00:33:53,840 --> 00:34:00,600
are going to work with you and you're
going to get a letter from the city that

504
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:02,480
states what you need to do and what we
expect to get done.

505
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:07,280
» Okay.
>> You it's up to you to discuss that with

506
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:10,919
your neighbor and then figure out how
you guys want to do that.

507
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:16,159
Again,
if you would be so courteous if you get

508
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:21,000
that figured out to please inform the
Housing Appeals Board. Other than that,

509
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:25,679
they will will be reviewing this back in
60 days. So, if you want to wait and

510
00:34:23,879 --> 00:34:30,159
come back in 60 days and tell us
something or have it done within 60

511
00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:33,399
days, that is strictly up to you. But in
60 days, something needs to be handled.

512
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:35,879
» Okay.
>> Okay.

513
00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:42,080
Can I get a motion for adjournment?
>> I'll make that motion.

514
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,760
» I second.
>> It's been moved and second. All in favor

515
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,560
signify by saying I.
>> I.

516
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:50,919
» I.
>> It's a done.

517
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,919
Okay, I know that we did