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everybody gathered I apologize for not

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being able to be there with you in

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person uh this evening uh but I think

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receiving information and uh providing

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we can all conduct ourselves fine uh in

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my absence here uh with that Jeff can

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you please call the

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role yes councelor maon pres councelor

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oh she uh she's excused thanks thank you

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mayor uh councelor Sheldon here counc

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councelor Hokinson here mayor pulam here

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um please note that um Tyler uh councel

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did inform me Tyler deemed informed me

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this morning uh that he has decided to

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go ahead and put his name in the uh in

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the ring here uh to be our next city

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manager uh so with that in mind I've

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asked uh Jeff opara to kind of uh and I

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think I always brutal brutalize your

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name Jeff I apologize uh but I've asked

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Jeff to kind of Staff the meeting for us

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uh this evening uh so Jeff will you go

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ahead and take us through the

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presentations sure thank you

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mayor uh Council I'm pleased to

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introduce Eric Jensen who is the

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principal of Jensen strategies LLC uh

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the city retains Jensen strategies to

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manage our recruitment process process

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for the search for our new city manager

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uh Jensen strategies has conducted a

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very thorough process so far they've

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already offered a public input

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opportunity for the community back on

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June 1st they've sent an input survey to

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All City staff and they've conducted uh

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one-on-one stakeholder interviews with

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uh all the counselors and all the

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department heads um all of these efforts

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have been centered around the question

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of what are the attributes you're

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looking to see in sy's next city manager

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well the result of that work is before

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you tonight you have the draft position

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profile which includes hiring standards

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and criteria as well as policy

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directives for the new city manager it

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also includes hiring procedures and a

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schedule and so the purpose of tonight's

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work session is to allow the opport the

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council an opportunity to discuss these

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documents make changes or suggest

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changes if you deem them

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necessary um but per state law formal

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adoption of these documents is required

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at a regular meeting with a public

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comment opportunity if the council

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wishes to conduct the actual finalist

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interviews uh and deliberations in

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executive session uh which we recommend

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at the end of this process so to do

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those things in executive session you

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have to go through these uh steps here

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at the beginning with public comment

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opportunity so unless there are any

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questions about any of that um happy to

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throw it over to Eric Jensen

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okay thank you Jeff I I don't know how

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close I have to get to the microphone

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you're fine okay you're good okay good

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uh some places I go to they they

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practically make you swallow the

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microphone so I always ask um thank you

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uh great to be here today um Jeff that

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was probably one of the best intros uh

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that we've had in one of these sessions

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so thanks very much you covered a lot of

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bases I was going to cover so

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um so uh first of all thank you for

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giving us the opportunity to uh conduct

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this recruitment uh we appreciate the

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opportunity we're honored that uh you've

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entrusted us with that um and also thank

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you for the time that you've put into

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this in advance and doing the individual

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interviews uh which has given a lot of

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fodder for what we uh produced for you

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today so um as Jeff said uh the the

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purpose of this work session is to

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review these documents uh that we have

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feedback that you might have uh prior to

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adopting uh adopting the documents uh on

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20th the um we also at the end want to

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talk a little bit about um the salary

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recommendations um we've done some

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comparables and looked at those and we

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have a recommendation for for you with

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regard to the range that you might want

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to advertise for we'll get to that at

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end um so as Jeff mentioned uh there

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the to the uh information that created

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this document and of course the

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interviews there were 18 interviews

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seven of course with all of you and then

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uh 11 uh with uh staff so uh in addition

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to that we had staff survey as Jeff

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mentioned uh we had 17 responses in the

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staff survey uh we did a community uh

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opportunity for uh Community uh comment

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online uh at a uh facilitated uh session

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so the a few points about uh the profile

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this document the profile which is

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referred to as appendix a uh in your

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packet is um an important document for a

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number of reasons so as uh Jeff

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mentioned uh you do need to adopt uh a

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profile uh in order for you to be able

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to hold executive session on this

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recruitment going forward um but even

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more so um we also use this document to

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set the criteria by which we evaluate

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candidates all the way through the

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process so we use it uh to establish the

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criteria for the applications we use it

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the way through the process uh because

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we want to stick to what you want in the

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manager um you'll note that with regard

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to if you've read through the document

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which I'm sure you have um you'll note

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that maybe some of the points that you

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brought up with us aren't in there and

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looking for a Nexus a Nexus of opinion

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commonality uh in what people are

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looking for and then we try to thread

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that needle uh as as closely as we

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that uh as you read through that

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profile uh I've had other councils say

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when they've looked at the profile well

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it's it looks like it we're looking for

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a unicorn and um and to a certain degree

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uh you are um and you're not unique in

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that regard uh but what we want in that

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uh what is does your ideal candidate

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look look like or what what does your

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ideal candidates attributes

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have uh or candidate have attributes

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that candidates have yeah

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and how many of those boxes can we check

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off so we're going to we're looking for

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the person that we can check the most

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boxes off as as humanly

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possible all right

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um before I go start going through the

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documents uh any uh initial

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questions okay I'll dive right into it

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so you have in your packet uh after the

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staff report uh you have uh the overview

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sheet uh the adoption of official

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position documents and that's just

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explaining why you're going through this

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uh process of uh adopting these two

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documents uh following that you have

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um let me kind of walk through what we

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the profile to generate the recruitment

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brochure

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so all the M material the attributes

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brochure along with other information

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about the community and so forth so um

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so when it came to minimum education uh

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you require a bachelor's degree in

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public administration planning political

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science related field and at least three

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years of upper level government

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experience um and of course we always

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have uh the language of equivalent

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combination of Education experience may

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be considered because sometimes you do

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get that one candidate that has other

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ways of fulfilling those

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put down preferred education and

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experience as well and when we get to

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doing criteria this will translate to

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more points for candidates if they meet

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some of these uh preferred criteria and

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that in includes a an advanced degree in

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public administration uh such as an

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MPA um and five or more years of

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increasingly responsible public sector

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experience um previous Service as a city

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manager uh and our training uh in

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Economic Development and growth

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management is highly

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desired um and experience uh working in

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Oregon is also beneficial given the

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unique uh uh the unique uh elements that

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make up Oregon uh Oregon law

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time or sure uh what I would suggest is

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break in and then but otherwise at the

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end I'll come back and ask for comments

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if that's all right

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counselor means I have to have a memory

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through these attributes uh and the

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first two attributes we have in every

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single recruitment that we do for city

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managers because these two the

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leadership and management category and

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the council relations are core to the

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work of a city manager now these uh the

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elements that are in uh these

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descriptions are consistent we make sure

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that they're consistent with what you

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told us um but we offer up that this

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these two attributes are Paramount uh to

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any candidate that you're looking for

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that you're looking for somebody who has

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the ability to oversee multiple

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departments to oversee multiple

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disciplines

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uh that can help generate an

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organization vision and a a leadership

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style that is accessible and and

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professionalism um and has uh experience

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in uh leading uh strategic workforce

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planning to meet Uh current and future

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staff capacity needs Council relations

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directly accountable to you and so the

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ability for that person to uh maintain

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good relations uh with the council is

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important uh to be proactive in that

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relationship and professional fair and

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inclusive uh to always be aware of City

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operations and the legal o obligations

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of the city so that they can inform you

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of what of what's going on and what you

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may need to be uh talking about when it

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comes to Legal obligations and

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Regulatory

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Compliance um and

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also is get excuse me gives you the

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ability to make informed decisions it

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gets you the information that you need

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to make informed policy decisions as the

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city's Chief policymaking body

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communication came up uh a lot in our

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interviews uh looking for someone who

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with strong communication skills both

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for internal audiences and for external

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audiences and to that end being able to

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to communicate with diverse groups of

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people um and within that

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communication have emotional competency

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transparency humility inclusion ethics

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and

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accessibility um

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and also being able to promote two way

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dialogue and then finally this is when

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we talk about communication we're

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talking both verbal and written in this

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particular case actually most cases uh

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the next uh attribute not surprisingly I

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don't think is Wastewater and water

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infrastructure

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experience um you're looking for

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somebody who can facilitate large and

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complex capital projects particularly

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for Wastewater storm water and water

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water um I think it goes without saying

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that is a Paramount issue here in Sandy

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with all of the infrastructure needs

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that you have and the projects that you

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have planned and you're working

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on um but you're also looking for

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somebody who can lead the

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multifaceted portions of that because

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it's not just a matter of do you know

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how how to make sure that a capital

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infrastructure project is moving forward

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but do you understand how to to

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orchestrate being able to work with the

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Regulatory Agencies being able uh to

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work with your jurisdictional partners

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Your Community Partners and so forth and

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stay uh within the federal and state uh

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regulations um and uh also very

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important is the financing part of this

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and being able to be creative and

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effective in their financing approaches

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is going to be uh important as uh I'm

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sure you all

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know community and economic development

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it's the next category that came up and

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uh looking at being able to move forward

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with economic development and being able

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to seize those economic opportunities uh

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when they come to you and to proactively

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be able to uh look for those economic uh

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opportunities as they come

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up but it also takes a a certain degree

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of ability to think strategically about

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how do you set up policy and operations

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so that you're ready to take those

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economic opportunities when they come up

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and so we have put that in there and

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then uh at the last sentence there

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knowledge of Oregon land use law and

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urban renewal management is beneficial

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IAL this is those are two things that

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are are unique to Oregon um and so we

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have included

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that the next item is Public Finance um

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obviously uh you want somebody with with

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that's proficient in Public Finance

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skills um that's going to be responsible

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and strategic in fiscal

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management uh that's going to integrate

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uh your finances with with your city

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goals and includeed a diversity of

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Revenue approaches uh somebody who's

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going to be fiscally prudent with your

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taxpayer

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dollars uh and someone who is going to

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be looking at this from with a lens of

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developing maintaining uh sustainable

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Financial

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approaches um so that you have uh

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sustainable revenues Mo moving forward

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and again back to Oregon um experience

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with Oregon budget law and requirements

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is going to be

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helpful next uh item is facilities um

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when I'm talking about facilities here

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I'm talking about both in terms of

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employee workspace and in terms of uh

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facilities for Community

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use and so we heard that uh you would

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like to have somebody who understands

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facility planning and

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management uh and being able to

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integrate uh Workforce space needs uh

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with uh the future with future

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facilities uh planning and being able to

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strategically plan for the community's

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needs in uh facilities be the uh

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recreational resources or meeting spaces

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or any of the public facing

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administrative areas that you might

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have the next item is transportation and

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Transit uh

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and here we're talking about streets but

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we're also talking about your transit

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system and being able to effectively

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plan and maintain and construct streets

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as and being able to move forward uh and

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managing the transit system making sure

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that that's continuing forward um so

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you're looking for somebody who has

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experience developing traffic management

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approaches to support

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livability uh while facil in the high

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volume of visitors that you have going

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through um Sandy on a regular

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basis Community engagement also very

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much uh on the on the

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radar and what we heard was that you're

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looking for somebody who can maintain

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and enhance City's efforts to inform and

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engage the Sandy community in City

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business

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um within that you're looking for

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somebody who's going to in doing that be

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evenhanded uh with the

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community and is going to look for

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two-way dialogues leading toward

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consensus building when

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possible um and uh exuding the uh values

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of transparency inclusion collaboration

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and as I mentioned two-way uh

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communication and Community uh

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engagement intergovernmental relations

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there's a lot going on here uh that

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requires intergovernmental

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intergovernmental relations as we were

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uh hearing from you um and that's

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everything from just the the

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daytoday uh relationships that you might

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have with say the school district or the

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fire district uh or the county and the

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state and your Regulatory Agencies but

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also with these key projects that you

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have going on right now particularly in

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the Wastewater uh and the water supply

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uh realm uh and then of course with

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streets you you do have crossover there

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as well so being able to manage those

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intergovernmental relations is going to

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be

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key

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um housing policy and

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homelessness uh we heard uh a lot about

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uh that you want someone who understands

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housing Supply uh Housing

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Development that uh you may be in a

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point now where you're in a moratorium

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but uh it is anticipated that you're

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going to continue to grow as you have

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and so being able to think uh and plan

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for strategically how you're going to go

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about developing that housing Supply is

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going to be key um and how do you

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interface the public infrastructure to

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support those housing needs um and then

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also with regard to homelessness making

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sure that uh that you have the uh

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policies codes and resources to help

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address homelessness issues as they come

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forward then uh

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Broadband uh you are in a relatively

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unique situation compared to most

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cities uh with Transit and also with

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broadband and

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um I said I'm proud of it I'm proud of

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it absolutely and we heard that too so

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um so somebody who's familiar uh with

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Municipal broadband system operations

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would be

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desirable uh if at all possible uh you

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we I will say that uh that's going to be

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uh that's going to be part of the

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Unicorn yeah

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so uh and appreciation for Sandy uh and

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what Sandy is where Sand's been where

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Sand's going and what the culture of

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Sandy is um and then we always have in

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here the understanding of city

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government roles do they understand what

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their role is what the role of the city

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council is what the role of staff is and

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um and to how to navigate legally

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defined roles uh as they're doing their

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job now um I'm going to go through the

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policy directives and then we'll Circle

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back to the attributes and then to the

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policy

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directives um now the policy directors

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are called for in Oregon law um if you

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want to hold executive session that's

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part of the profile and that's why we

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put these in in here but it's also

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helpful for the candidates to understand

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what are the big issues that you have

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going on that they're going to need to

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be a need to Grapple with so not

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surprisingly number one is Wastewater

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infrastructure expansion

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um that we heard that in I think every

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single

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interview um and

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uh we have a description here that kind

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of takes it through where you've come

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from on this uh and uh the

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moratorium uh the consent

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decree and uh raising uh the fact that

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there have been concerns about utility

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Community concerns about utility

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rates so the next uh city manager is

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going to need to be able to move forward

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with those Wastewater improvements uh

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they're going to be uh need to work

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closely with your public works

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department to address the unfunded

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mandates that uh are part of that

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and to meet the terms of the consent

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decree and accommodate growth in a

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manner that's financially

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sustainable uh for the city and for the

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rate

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payers the second issue uh we heard

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about um drinking water

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reinvestment and this goes back to the

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drinking water system reinvestment

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project and I'm not going

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to go through the particulars that

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because you know that but just a cut to

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the chase here at the end uh where we

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always add what the role of the next

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city manager is going to be in these

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issues and the city manager is going to

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need to work closely with Public Works

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to ensure that this project moves

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forward efficiently and in a manner that

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is financially sustainable to the city

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and rate

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payers second I'm sorry third issue that

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we heard about was the Community campus

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project and uh we learned that that was

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that is a key project in your downtown

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area to develop a new park in the heart

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of

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downtown um and that you're you're

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currently uh Gathering Community input

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on that to come up with a development

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plan so the next city manager is going

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to need to take the Baton on that and to

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help run forward uh with it um so

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they're going to need to be able to be

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the champion of that

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uh and to to uh be able to help with the

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funding the community engagement that

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comes along with that and the

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Partnerships that will be needed to move

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that project

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forward police chief

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recruitment

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um it's evident that uh your police

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chief uh has decid to

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retire um and so you will be looking for

562
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,760
another police chief and uh the next

563
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,200
city manager is going to need to be

564
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,919
involved in selecting that person um

565
00:26:34,919 --> 00:26:37,240
moving forward and in a way that's

566
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,679
transparent and fair in the selection

567
00:26:39,679 --> 00:26:43,039
process for the next police chief and

568
00:26:43,039 --> 00:26:45,760
then lastly uh Workforce capacity and

569
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,600
space needs assessment we heard a lot

570
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,200
about space needs uh for

571
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:57,240
employees um and we heard a lot about

572
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,559
the limitations and at the same time

573
00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:04,720
hearing that uh you run a very

574
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,399
lean very lean

575
00:27:07,399 --> 00:27:09,000
Workforce

576
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,240
and to that end the next city manager is

577
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,520
going to need to come in and assess that

578
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,679
situation and assess what is needed in

579
00:27:17,679 --> 00:27:21,720
terms of space at the same time that the

580
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,720
new city manager is looking at Staffing

581
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,200
requirements and so being able to

582
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,039
integrate those two concepts together

583
00:27:30,039 --> 00:27:32,679
and and the plan moving forward is going

584
00:27:32,679 --> 00:27:35,120
to be is going to be

585
00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:37,960
Paramount

586
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,880
um so uh that gets us to the end of the

587
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:46,279
profile and I'm GNA go back and ask you

588
00:27:46,279 --> 00:27:48,840
uh let's just take this section by

589
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,480
section uh do you have any comments

590
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,279
about the minimum education and

591
00:27:54,279 --> 00:28:02,230
experience

592
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,279
question down okay I gotta find

593
00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:07,720
it it was more about a certification

594
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:13,320
than it was oh it is um CR to have a a

595
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,279
CPM you didn't have that in there for

596
00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:18,080
certified public managers um were those

597
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:22,519
do they have to have just The Bachelors

598
00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:25,000
in public administration or could we add

599
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:29,640
a CP C A CPM for prefer referred I know

600
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,720
you had Masters for public admin but I

601
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,600
didn't know about a certification for

602
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,640
you could you could add that I I would

603
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,399
recommend that it go in the preferred

604
00:28:37,399 --> 00:28:39,880
section uh because it'll severely limit

605
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,159
your candidates if you put it in the

606
00:28:42,159 --> 00:28:44,159
minimum um I didn't think it should go

607
00:28:44,159 --> 00:28:45,960
in the minimum I just thought it as a

608
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,440
preferred as a preferred

609
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,960
Benchmark because some people might read

610
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,320
at least from a Clarity standpoint and I

611
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,480
want to make sure that the applications

612
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,679
you know meeting all the requirements

613
00:28:57,679 --> 00:28:59,000
somebody might look at that and say okay

614
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,240
I have a bachelor's but I don't have a

615
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,840
master's and some sometime they they do

616
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,080
have a certificate that they've taken

617
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,720
that could be beneficial to their you

618
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,640
know to their scoring on an application

619
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,240
sure can you I'm not familiar with that

620
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:14,960
certification so can you make the case

621
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,919
for why

622
00:29:16,919 --> 00:29:18,840
that's good I mean there's a lot of

623
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,880
Sears in my industry that

624
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,279
aren't yeah and I guess from my

625
00:29:23,279 --> 00:29:25,600
standpoint just in my experience is

626
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,279
somebody that has gone out and taken the

627
00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:29,519
time and enaging and effort to put forth

628
00:29:29,519 --> 00:29:31,480
the work effort into getting specific

629
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,279
certifications for their skill set

630
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:36,240
always enhances their do you have any

631
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,000
history or experience with this specific

632
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,399
certification no I can't say what's it

633
00:29:40,399 --> 00:29:43,360
called it's a certified public manager

634
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,480
Eric isn't the isn't doesn't icma have a

635
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,120
certified manager program that's the one

636
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,480
that I've seen before yeah thank you

637
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,440
Jeff public servant public servants in

638
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,799
city and state government yeah so icma

639
00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:58,679
the the international City County

640
00:29:58,679 --> 00:30:00,720
Managers Association does have a

641
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,760
certification uh program for managers

642
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,480
and that list of people on that are it's

643
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,039
an elite group if you will um I would

644
00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:13,200
recommend that if you wanted to put some

645
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,080
uh certification down that that that

646
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,360
would be the one that you put down as

647
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,279
preferred um specifically so after

648
00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:23,760
masters of public administration comma

649
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:29,000
or CPM certification Etc again I'm not

650
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,799
to the council I'm not I'm not saying we

651
00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:33,399
should put it on the required section I

652
00:30:33,399 --> 00:30:35,200
just think that I'm looking at it says

653
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,679
identif completed the required 300 hours

654
00:30:37,679 --> 00:30:39,559
of study through a CPM program

655
00:30:39,559 --> 00:30:42,519
accredited blah blah so it's not just

656
00:30:42,519 --> 00:30:44,840
like a weekend course right I have to

657
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,640
defer to somebody who knows more about

658
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,200
it than me which I know nothing

659
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,320
so this is when you say it's an elite

660
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,039
group usually Elite's a good thing it is

661
00:30:57,039 --> 00:31:00,799
in this case yeah okay so

662
00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:04,399
yeah so we'll include the icma

663
00:31:04,399 --> 00:31:07,639
certification as one of the preferreds

664
00:31:07,639 --> 00:31:10,200
so okay I was gonna bring this up under

665
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:11,720
experience stuff but since you're

666
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,480
already here I think I'll jump in um

667
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:15,559
first

668
00:31:15,559 --> 00:31:19,240
off um in in my mind we are not looking

669
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,159
for a beginner I've been through three

670
00:31:23,159 --> 00:31:26,120
city managers and I got to say that

671
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,519
somebody who's had that experience

672
00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:29,960
before really made a difference in what

673
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:34,720
happened here so would you say that

674
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,200
Sandy would be best suited

675
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,880
for a highly experienced city manager

676
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,440
somebody that really has to have in my

677
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,519
mind they do need it because of all the

678
00:31:46,519 --> 00:31:48,200
issues that are going on here but I

679
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,159
don't want to over qualify the

680
00:31:50,159 --> 00:31:54,000
suggestion about having a pink um

681
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,519
unicorn is no animal in this world that

682
00:31:57,519 --> 00:32:00,320
will fit all these things but sure I I

683
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,720
also don't want to make the circle so

684
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,039
small that we just don't get anybody I

685
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:08,760
do want to get a nice round look at

686
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,360
several candidates so

687
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,120
are where do you perceive Sandy should

688
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,960
be at should we be talking about you my

689
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,159
perception of a highly qualified or do

690
00:32:19,159 --> 00:32:22,000
you think this is Sandy is more of a y

691
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,000
smaller

692
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,240
City they don't attack me but I do not

693
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:27,919
think that we have a lot of big ISS

694
00:32:27,919 --> 00:32:31,639
issues for a city our size yes and you

695
00:32:31,639 --> 00:32:36,960
do um and I I would

696
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:41,799
recommend or or think that it would

697
00:32:41,799 --> 00:32:45,480
be beneficial for you to have someone

698
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,399
with City management experience or at

699
00:32:48,399 --> 00:32:52,080
least someone who has been in the sea

700
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:56,399
Suite um someone who's who's been

701
00:32:56,399 --> 00:33:00,039
interacting with councils somebody who

702
00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:02,960
understands what it is to plan

703
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,360
Citywide and to go across multiple

704
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,240
disciplines in the public

705
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,760
sector um so we do have in the preferred

706
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,480
uh a statement in there about city city

707
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,080
manager city manager experience which

708
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:19,440
means we're going to give extra points

709
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,159
if somebody has that

710
00:33:22,159 --> 00:33:24,519
experience Service as a city manager as

711
00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:26,279
well as experience and or training in

712
00:33:26,279 --> 00:33:27,799
Economic Development and growth man

713
00:33:27,799 --> 00:33:29,880
management is highly

714
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,720
desired experience working in organs

715
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,799
benefici I was thinking of counselor a

716
00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:40,120
requirement of a bachelor's degree in

717
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,919
one of these areas as a minimum but but

718
00:33:43,919 --> 00:33:47,639
I know you have it in or though oh here

719
00:33:47,639 --> 00:33:51,279
it's or related

720
00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:54,159
field yeah it looked to me like that was

721
00:33:54,159 --> 00:33:55,480
the degree

722
00:33:55,480 --> 00:34:00,720
was um equal to or as important as the

723
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,200
experience so you have either one I

724
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,399
interpreted that as the degree would be

725
00:34:05,399 --> 00:34:07,399
preferable in these areas but it could

726
00:34:07,399 --> 00:34:09,240
be an alternative degree so if we had a

727
00:34:09,240 --> 00:34:12,320
biology BS who happened to have 10 years

728
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,119
as a city manager we would look had him

729
00:34:14,119 --> 00:34:15,200
because he would have met the minimum

730
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,359
side correct that's that's what I took

731
00:34:17,359 --> 00:34:19,159
that as well and that's kind of the

732
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:21,960
place that I'm saying I'm I'm conflict

733
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,639
with you want to require previous City

734
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:28,960
management experience as a minimum uh is

735
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,480
that what you're saying I was looking at

736
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,800
the degree I don't need a doctorates but

737
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,960
let's just be people um the difference

738
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,280
between Jordan leaving who had the

739
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,000
degree and some of the other city

740
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,040
managers that were pulled in because

741
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,240
they happen to

742
00:34:46,240 --> 00:34:49,200
have understanding of city was in my

743
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,480
mind a significant

744
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,280
Advantage having a the degree and

745
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,599
experience was really key for what

746
00:34:56,599 --> 00:34:58,320
Jordan's able to do

747
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,720
but isn't that and isn't that there

748
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:04,280
though because it's it's listed as it's

749
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,839
listed as preferred not required I mean

750
00:35:06,839 --> 00:35:08,839
so really doesn't the question come down

751
00:35:08,839 --> 00:35:12,000
to do you want to limit our pool of

752
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,880
candidates that we get to interview and

753
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,680
have in front of us uh by making that a

754
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,400
requirement or would you rather have a

755
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,079
more diverse pool that we can have in

756
00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:22,079
front of us and I guess I land and

757
00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:25,160
having a more diverse pool um while also

758
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,320
trying you know under preference saying

759
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,560
sure prefer this but maybe we find

760
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,960
somebody that has you know 15 years

761
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,880
worth of city manager experience but

762
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,320
doesn't have that

763
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,880
educationally uh but we we we find that

764
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,960
individual be to be a top

765
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,680
candidate that's why I was making the

766
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,280
statement mayor is that I I don't want

767
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,520
to make this pool so small that we get

768
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,440
one person or nobody I do want to make

769
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,599
it wide enough that we do get a good

770
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:55,640
variety of folks from different kinds of

771
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:56,780
perspectives

772
00:35:56,780 --> 00:35:57,880
[Music]

773
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,119
I just don't want to waste people's time

774
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:02,319
in mine looking at folks that just don't

775
00:36:02,319 --> 00:36:05,640
cut it so I have a different opinion on

776
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,880
where your degree comes from or what

777
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,640
your degree is in and

778
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,160
that and it's probably still because of

779
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,880
my own background I spent very little

780
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,480
time working in my degree area most of

781
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,119
my care has been outside of my degree

782
00:36:20,119 --> 00:36:23,760
area if somebody like Jenny 10 years

783
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,560
from now wanted to apply for a city

784
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,240
manager role she's a phenomenal person

785
00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:29,359
but she doesn't have one of those

786
00:36:29,359 --> 00:36:31,880
degrees she's an engineer right and you

787
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,720
don't want to restrict somebody with the

788
00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:35,200
right experience so that's to me is

789
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,079
really important to go after that or

790
00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:39,480
related field so you got some degree

791
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,560
that's the minimum right but now tell us

792
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,400
how your experience and training

793
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:46,960
connects to the position description

794
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,280
correct that that's what I'm looking for

795
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:50,480
I guess that's why I'm looking at you

796
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,079
Eric to say to me don't make this a

797
00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:57,079
requirement make this a preferred so

798
00:36:57,079 --> 00:36:59,440
that we do get the mix or you think

799
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:00,880
there's going to be plenty of people

800
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,839
applying we didn't get tremendous

801
00:37:02,839 --> 00:37:06,599
numbers for Jordan's

802
00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:08,839
position well we got a few and I think

803
00:37:08,839 --> 00:37:09,800
that's I guess that's what I'm looking

804
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,680
at you for we're paying you the dollars

805
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:12,560
to

806
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:17,920
tell so uh putting it into the preferred

807
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,800
category enables us

808
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,640
to to make sure that those candidates

809
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,359
that have those

810
00:37:26,359 --> 00:37:28,319
preferred uh

811
00:37:28,319 --> 00:37:32,319
attributes get pushed ahead of those

812
00:37:32,319 --> 00:37:36,160
that may not have that so you already

813
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,200
have I think what you're looking for

814
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,560
under the preferred category and by

815
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,680
having it in here that tells us this is

816
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,720
what you prefer this and we will move

817
00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:50,160
the those candidates forward that have

818
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,680
those that have that meet those uh

819
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,319
attributes

820
00:37:55,319 --> 00:37:58,280
okay me into it move on

821
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,280
okay just on that the only thing I would

822
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,680
maybe add is that you know under the

823
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,040
minimum it says at least three years of

824
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,839
upper level government management

825
00:38:08,839 --> 00:38:11,960
experience you know several of us Carl

826
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,079
and I both have government management

827
00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:16,359
experience I would you know I would

828
00:38:16,359 --> 00:38:18,640
maybe just tweak that to say City

829
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,680
management experience since we are

830
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,920
looking to you know for to some extent

831
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,440
for somebody with you know

832
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,520
City or at least you know SE Town County

833
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,280
so you know something like that I mean

834
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,119
forest service is not you know that's

835
00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:35,240
government experience you know FK is

836
00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:37,560
government experience Army is government

837
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,800
exp local yeah local government or

838
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,560
whatever they're trying to restrict me

839
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,560
from applying can you see

840
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,319
that so Kathleen just to clarify though

841
00:38:48,319 --> 00:38:51,960
like uh Moma County government Metro

842
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,040
Clackamus County government and OD do

843
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,440
type uh you know Governor's Department

844
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,000
dep th those candidates are are fine

845
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,920
local government stand that covers it I

846
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:07,000
think yeah okay good yep me too they

847
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,480
would probably lose out on the other

848
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,200
criteria so yeah I'm inclined to we'll

849
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,160
sweep out the lower priority candidates

850
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,280
pretty quickly so counselor that that is

851
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,359
a helpful distinction um and we'll put

852
00:39:20,359 --> 00:39:22,920
local government in there uh we do get

853
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,079
people who do apply from that have been

854
00:39:25,079 --> 00:39:27,760
with a federal government for years uh

855
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,880
and have been middle management uh that

856
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,760
have been managing a lot of people but

857
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,000
it's not quite the same thing so the

858
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,119
local government distinction uh does

859
00:39:38,119 --> 00:39:40,480
help that was a big quite not quite the

860
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:41,720
same

861
00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:47,030
thing not at all resembl that

862
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:51,000
remark all right um well we we kind of

863
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,079
moved right into the preferred education

864
00:39:53,079 --> 00:39:56,280
experience so uh with those two items

865
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,040
there with the discussion we had are you

866
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,640
good with that all right um let's move

867
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,040
down to the uh desired skills and

868
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,520
attributes uh I'm going just open it up

869
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,560
in general for that entire section if

870
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,430
you have

871
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,480
comments go

872
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,760
again um this is just really to enhance

873
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,079
Clarity and readability of it in my in

874
00:40:19,079 --> 00:40:22,119
my l so sure maybe not I feel like we

875
00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:25,240
have um infrastructure and Public Works

876
00:40:25,240 --> 00:40:27,880
scatter throughout of throughout this

877
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,200
so when I look at page two it's got

878
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,960
Wastewater and water infrastructure and

879
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,640
Page Three has facilities and

880
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,760
transportation page four has got

881
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,160
Broadband I I think you should put all

882
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,000
those together um so that it just

883
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,000
improves the clarity readability of it

884
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,560
because when I when I look at the

885
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,200
desired skills and attributes and you

886
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:49,800
have leadership management and

887
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,280
communication and those are management

888
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,319
level you know things that correlate

889
00:40:55,319 --> 00:40:57,359
when we're talking about infrastructure

890
00:40:57,359 --> 00:40:58,680
in public works Public Works is

891
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,280
transportation water sewer energy

892
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,079
facilities parks and rack safety you

893
00:41:03,079 --> 00:41:06,800
know and maybe having those all in a row

894
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,870
so that they stay

895
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,440
together are you saying are you saying

896
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,040
leave them at separate paragraphs but

897
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,040
just reorganize them so that they're all

898
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,520
together yeah I mean this is all about

899
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,359
preference now I I would put a I would

900
00:41:20,359 --> 00:41:22,000
put a title that says infrastructure

901
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,880
public works and then drop all those as

902
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,280
sub bullets underneath it because

903
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,079
they're all in line but you have the way

904
00:41:27,079 --> 00:41:29,160
you have it templated right now is just

905
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,400
individual templates and that's fine I

906
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:32,800
would just push them all together so

907
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,520
they're not separated by um community

908
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,400
and economic development Public Finance

909
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,040
you know those are that's just creating

910
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:42,640
a gap and then you're going back to

911
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,240
facilities it's just about the way the

912
00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:48,440
the page reads at least from my L yeah

913
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,920
I counselor thank you for that comment

914
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,960
and uh I I don't know maybe you were in

915
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,640
our office when we were discussing how

916
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,079
to put this together um we did have a

917
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:00,920
similar conversation to that um but I'll

918
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,400
tell you why we did we did this the way

919
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,480
we did and then if you folks want us to

920
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,680
change it we're happy to do that um

921
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,480
we're we were looking at the order here

922
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,079
is sort of almost an order of

923
00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:18,480
importance and the Wastewater and water

924
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,319
infrastructure piece came through so

925
00:42:21,319 --> 00:42:23,920
clearly as something that you really

926
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,319
need to have somebody to help navigate

927
00:42:26,319 --> 00:42:29,480
we felt we needed to peel that out and

928
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,680
to make sure that it was its own uh

929
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:39,240
attributes um and uh with re with regard

930
00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:41,200
to

931
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:45,359
um uh trans transportation and and

932
00:42:45,359 --> 00:42:49,200
Transit uh we didn't we didn't and

933
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,720
Facilities uh we didn't hear the

934
00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:55,359
volume that we heard with regard to

935
00:42:55,359 --> 00:42:58,599
Wastewater and water infrastructure so

936
00:42:58,599 --> 00:43:00,800
we moved it kind of down down the line

937
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,400
now we can group those very easily and

938
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,359
that's not a problem for us if that's

939
00:43:06,359 --> 00:43:08,920
what you would like to do and just for

940
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:10,760
clarity I wasn't suggesting anything

941
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,760
about the priority of importance it was

942
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,160
just about keeping them grouped together

943
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,240
so the candidate who's reading it would

944
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:17,760
understand their role and everything

945
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,720
that they saw so that again just Just My

946
00:43:19,720 --> 00:43:23,760
Lens I do have one more thing for yes I

947
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,960
saw well it's really the next subtopic

948
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,880
is policy directive

949
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,440
but in the in the header of desired

950
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,800
skills and attributes I don't recall

951
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,359
seeing anything

952
00:43:35,359 --> 00:43:38,800
over know it was policy

953
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,800
implementation policy what

954
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,800
implementation and when I was you know

955
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,200
we talking about implementing policies

956
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:46,839
and ordinances and resolutions adopted

957
00:43:46,839 --> 00:43:48,920
by city council to ensure the compliance

958
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,839
with the laws and regulations I I didn't

959
00:43:51,839 --> 00:43:55,559
really see that written anywhere amongst

960
00:43:55,559 --> 00:43:58,040
those things which I mean it's implied

961
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,640
and then you go into the policy

962
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,920
directives which tell them what are the

963
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,119
key things the city's working on but I

964
00:44:04,119 --> 00:44:05,559
didn't see anything about actually

965
00:44:05,559 --> 00:44:09,119
implementing policy that the city

966
00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:12,800
council we that just for a

967
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,359
second did have the sentence set up

968
00:44:16,359 --> 00:44:18,280
unique under housing policy and

969
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,680
homelessness right but I wonder it's

970
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,480
something that should be added to the

971
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:27,160
general leadership and management

972
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:28,000
in the

973
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,599
broad perspective are you talking about

974
00:44:30,599 --> 00:44:33,920
the legislation as well as policy no

975
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,839
well specifically um because I didn't

976
00:44:35,839 --> 00:44:38,839
see that knowledge knowledge and

977
00:44:38,839 --> 00:44:40,400
experience to support collaborative

978
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,599
efforts to facilate policies codes and

979
00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:45,160
resources to and in this case it said

980
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,960
address H because the reality is those

981
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:49,720
things are core leadership things that

982
00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:53,520
we need in general I'm and adding that

983
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,880
something like that to the that up front

984
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,319
that first spiler plate leadership thing

985
00:44:59,319 --> 00:45:00,680
that be under leadership and management

986
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:05,359
or Council relations um yes

987
00:45:05,359 --> 00:45:09,280
leadership so um yeah I I understand

988
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,920
your point uh thank you and I think that

989
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,319
this is something we could easily

990
00:45:13,319 --> 00:45:15,160
incorporate either under leadership

991
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,559
management and or under Council

992
00:45:17,559 --> 00:45:19,559
relations I think that's the place that

993
00:45:19,559 --> 00:45:22,079
that would fall

994
00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:25,160
under we're we may not have talked about

995
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,079
it a lot but one of our challenges left

996
00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:29,440
couple years has been to try to become

997
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,800
more policy oriented and do a better job

998
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,920
of managing our policies as a

999
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,160
council okay all right we we will uh

1000
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,680
work on uh including that in one of

1001
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:46,119
those two sections or both um so

1002
00:45:46,119 --> 00:45:50,040
so one thing I wanted to explore is uh

1003
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,280
coming off your your comments you just

1004
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:56,040
made about water and wastewater um and

1005
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,319
setting at aen priority I mean obviously

1006
00:45:59,319 --> 00:46:02,160
I think we all agree it's a it's a huge

1007
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,800
priority um but just a reminder when we

1008
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,400
got Jordan you know his big um Capital

1009
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,720
project experience was I think it was a

1010
00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:14,920
new city hall um in Lake iggo and so it

1011
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,960
doesn't have to be just so specific to

1012
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,800
Water and Wastewater it can be project

1013
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,520
management experience overall and while

1014
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,079
obviously Water and Wastewater is going

1015
00:46:25,079 --> 00:46:27,640
to be in the foreseeable future for us

1016
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:31,480
I'd hate to only get you know retired

1017
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:35,000
Public Works directors and you know uh

1018
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,720
just you know people from that sector

1019
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:38,559
applying for this because while it's a

1020
00:46:38,559 --> 00:46:40,359
priority I just I want to make sure

1021
00:46:40,359 --> 00:46:42,040
we're not

1022
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,480
overemphasizing um how big of a priority

1023
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,119
that that skill set is for

1024
00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:49,800
us can I because that's the one area

1025
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,119
that I had some criticism on if I read

1026
00:46:53,119 --> 00:46:55,000
that Wastewater and water infrastructure

1027
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,760
it does feel like I'm recruiting fore

1028
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,920
project manager and we're not we're

1029
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:01,800
recruiting for an executive to oversee

1030
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,280
these projects from an executive level

1031
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,280
we have program managers and project

1032
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,520
managers and the Public Works director

1033
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:11,839
what we're looking for is somebody who

1034
00:47:11,839 --> 00:47:14,280
has that ability to understand their

1035
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:15,839
role with the

1036
00:47:15,839 --> 00:47:18,280
program as an

1037
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,440
executive to build on that and that was

1038
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,480
a big thing for me when I looked at this

1039
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,040
I'd like to see somebody who can ad

1040
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,480
administrate those difference segments

1041
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,599
there are some people in our staff that

1042
00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:32,160
are so good it's mostly just stand out

1043
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:33,880
of their way let them do their thing

1044
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,200
with a little bit of guidance and guard

1045
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,559
rails and such but let them do their

1046
00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:40,200
that's the kind of person I want I want

1047
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,640
somebody who can be a compliment to

1048
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,240
these highly qualified people we've done

1049
00:47:45,240 --> 00:47:48,359
a pretty good job of getting some great

1050
00:47:48,359 --> 00:47:50,760
uh staff in place would want to get in

1051
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,839
their way yeah it's a little different

1052
00:47:53,839 --> 00:47:56,040
skill set appropriate sponsorship

1053
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,599
mentoring

1054
00:47:58,599 --> 00:48:00,720
that's I just want to say all those

1055
00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:03,200
comments really go with mine I I totally

1056
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,280
agree with all of that

1057
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,319
so if you look at that section if you

1058
00:48:07,319 --> 00:48:09,319
take out sentence number two where you

1059
00:48:09,319 --> 00:48:12,200
at I think oh Wastewater and water

1060
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,040
infrastructure if you if you take out

1061
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:16,640
sentence number two it starts with

1062
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,880
knowledge and ends with

1063
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,520
important right that everything else I

1064
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:25,000
think fits holistically for that role

1065
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,520
but that one is very specific about yeah

1066
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,280
having that that you know what I mean it

1067
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,480
it it is I really would like to see the

1068
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,599
word you know that executive role with

1069
00:48:36,599 --> 00:48:39,040
programs and projects to me is what's

1070
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,440
missing yeah and you they're using the

1071
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,400
word facility right is that is that kind

1072
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,000
of that's what I well so keep in mind

1073
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,799
I'm a project manager program manager

1074
00:48:49,799 --> 00:48:51,880
and that if we're appealing with people

1075
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,280
who understand that discipline bringing

1076
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:55,920
a candidate in who understands that

1077
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:57,240
discipline is

1078
00:48:57,240 --> 00:48:59,520
powerful and so I would like it phrased

1079
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,119
in those words that relate to that

1080
00:49:02,119 --> 00:49:05,280
discipline so if we were to strike that

1081
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,440
second sentence as you suggest uh and

1082
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,760
then to put some language in that really

1083
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:17,520
goes to the concept of working working

1084
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:22,559
with the staff uh and and being able to

1085
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:25,040
support uh staff's

1086
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:30,160
efforts moving forward is that so I I'm

1087
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,599
I'm I don't like that as much okay now

1088
00:49:32,599 --> 00:49:35,440
I'm speaking for myself now but I so I

1089
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,319
agree with what Carl Carl's saying in

1090
00:49:38,319 --> 00:49:40,559
terms of we have great staff we really

1091
00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:43,559
do but I think more importantly is we

1092
00:49:43,559 --> 00:49:45,720
run programs whether the budget programs

1093
00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:47,680
or in the case of Wastewater we have a

1094
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,680
program manager outsourced that handles

1095
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,920
the entire program management things

1096
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,280
they're going to be returning all kinds

1097
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:58,040
of metrics but what I I need what we

1098
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,200
need that was pretty selfish to me what

1099
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,000
we need is that executive function and

1100
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,760
if if you're looking at it from a PMI

1101
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,000
perspective the role is that governance

1102
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,160
function or that sponsorship function

1103
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,200
somebody who understands the role as a

1104
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,559
sponsor of these programs and

1105
00:50:16,559 --> 00:50:18,640
understands you know their roles

1106
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,400
in yes it is a facilitation Ro but it's

1107
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,799
not in the weeds facilitation it's

1108
00:50:23,799 --> 00:50:25,640
coordinating finances priorities

1109
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,040
resources and so forth

1110
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,520
way up here being an overarching um uh

1111
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:35,240
Champion if you will uh well once again

1112
00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:37,119
Champion is a little word if you go to

1113
00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:40,400
PMI okay which that means something way

1114
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,480
down here not the executive okay I like

1115
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,799
Words more like coaching

1116
00:50:47,799 --> 00:50:51,799
mentoring managing negotiations those

1117
00:50:51,799 --> 00:50:53,720
are kind of words I guess I'm thinking

1118
00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:57,680
of when I think about the executive

1119
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,960
conversation that dos having I think

1120
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,240
from where I sit um it's the ability to

1121
00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:07,920
kind of understand the the jargon and

1122
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,240
the um the strategies and and all that

1123
00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:14,160
data and the ability to kind of help you

1124
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,079
know if you had it you know Jenny's

1125
00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:18,119
great because she's pretty she kind of I

1126
00:51:18,119 --> 00:51:19,680
don't know dumbs it down for us but you

1127
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,520
know she she's able to deliver it to us

1128
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,280
so we can understand it you other

1129
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,079
Engineers you know tend to kind of

1130
00:51:25,079 --> 00:51:27,160
really data heavy and you know you don't

1131
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:28,680
know what they're talking about so

1132
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,319
having a city manager who can help and

1133
00:51:31,319 --> 00:51:34,799
help um synthesize the the data into

1134
00:51:34,799 --> 00:51:37,319
kind of digestible levels of

1135
00:51:37,319 --> 00:51:39,280
understanding for both the council but

1136
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,640
also for the public so having that

1137
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:42,880
understanding of the pro the

1138
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:44,720
infrastructure complex infrastructure

1139
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:46,520
projects regardless of whether it's

1140
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,280
water Wastewater or whatever um to be

1141
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:53,040
able to kind of um explain it and deal

1142
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,480
with the inter agency Communications and

1143
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,559
things like that so if I'm hearing what

1144
00:51:58,559 --> 00:52:00,000
I'm hearing is that what you're really

1145
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,559
looking for is somebody who provides

1146
00:52:01,559 --> 00:52:04,000
guidance and Leadership to support staff

1147
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,079
as they initiate what's in front of them

1148
00:52:07,079 --> 00:52:09,720
so if uh for example you have Jenny you

1149
00:52:09,720 --> 00:52:11,400
need that city manager that's going to

1150
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,280
be able to be whichever word we want to

1151
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,799
use but you're really providing guidance

1152
00:52:16,799 --> 00:52:20,359
leadership and support to make sure that

1153
00:52:20,359 --> 00:52:22,119
that staff can be successful in

1154
00:52:22,119 --> 00:52:24,319
implementing their initiatives going

1155
00:52:24,319 --> 00:52:26,680
forward and pration

1156
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,559
conflicts arise with that's getting to

1157
00:52:28,559 --> 00:52:31,440
your executive level which is providing

1158
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,920
that and each director has different

1159
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,839
things that they need from that leader y

1160
00:52:36,839 --> 00:52:39,240
so would that be a kind of a consensus

1161
00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:40,880
so this a good time to talk about how

1162
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,200
much we're gonna pay this spectacular

1163
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,880
dude because if we're I'm just thinking

1164
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:47,400
to myself though we're asking for some

1165
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:51,200
pretty significant skills here I know

1166
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,000
that we're Happ down the road a little

1167
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,040
bit before we get to the dollars but I'm

1168
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,520
just thinking to myself are we going to

1169
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,200
Outsource ourselves we we looking at a

1170
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,599
Portland city manager versus the Sandy

1171
00:53:00,599 --> 00:53:04,240
City Manager type do these kind of words

1172
00:53:04,240 --> 00:53:06,480
no not at all I mean these are these are

1173
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,480
great clarifications and I I think

1174
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,559
points well taken um and we want to make

1175
00:53:11,559 --> 00:53:13,559
sure that that that we hit the mark for

1176
00:53:13,559 --> 00:53:16,839
you folks um and I understand exactly

1177
00:53:16,839 --> 00:53:18,400
what you're saying about not getting the

1178
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,559
weeds not being the project manager but

1179
00:53:21,559 --> 00:53:24,160
being the person who has the oversight

1180
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,000
that can help help move move these

1181
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,760
things forward at their level within

1182
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,040
their role as a city manager not that

1183
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,559
they're down in public works uh trying

1184
00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:39,319
to look at uh every schematic plan that

1185
00:53:39,319 --> 00:53:43,680
there is uh with regard to sewer pipes

1186
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,119
so yeah not like Jeff's experience as

1187
00:53:46,119 --> 00:53:47,599
city

1188
00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:49,550
manager yeah boots in the

1189
00:53:49,550 --> 00:53:51,040
[Music]

1190
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,920
mud all right I think we've got enough

1191
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,280
to to work with it and um

1192
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,520
uh so I we'll take a shot at that but I

1193
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,119
would like to come back to your comments

1194
00:54:02,119 --> 00:54:05,200
with regard to uh this all the different

1195
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:06,880
infrastructure elements that are kind of

1196
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,000
peppered throughout do you want us to

1197
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,200
try and combine those or are you good

1198
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,750
with those being

1199
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,359
separate I kind of think so my thoughts

1200
00:54:17,359 --> 00:54:19,319
on these a lot of these go along our

1201
00:54:19,319 --> 00:54:20,720
Council

1202
00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:22,359
gos

1203
00:54:22,359 --> 00:54:25,359
um so therefore I do like the idea of

1204
00:54:25,359 --> 00:54:28,520
organizing a little bit better but I

1205
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,870
still think they should be separate

1206
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,640
par counselor uh when you say organize

1207
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,760
better uh what are you looking for so

1208
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:38,200
the way I initially understood what

1209
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:42,160
Chris was saying was put the the M

1210
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,040
better terms of Public Works style stuff

1211
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,559
in in column for right but I still

1212
00:54:48,559 --> 00:54:50,520
rather than put it all as one big bullet

1213
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,119
and one big paragraph with subheads I do

1214
00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:55,760
like the separate paragraphs for each of

1215
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:59,880
those special te so if we were to group

1216
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:02,920
these together that would get get at

1217
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,040
your concern well the bottom line would

1218
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,359
be are we going to give us give these

1219
00:55:08,359 --> 00:55:10,640
people that are going to apply the

1220
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:12,520
correct information be able to

1221
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:15,040
understand what they're applying for I

1222
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,040
guess I I would expect this person to be

1223
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:19,680
intelligent enough to be able to read

1224
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:20,839
these

1225
00:55:20,839 --> 00:55:24,160
things up with a response you know

1226
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,119
resume all the other Jensen Matrix which

1227
00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:29,119
I look forward to finding all about you

1228
00:55:29,119 --> 00:55:31,960
think higher people than I do I think

1229
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:33,960
that is a good idea what rich said

1230
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:35,440
because you know if somebody doesn't

1231
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,039
have a lot of water Wastewater

1232
00:55:37,039 --> 00:55:38,720
experience but they have more you know

1233
00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:41,559
streets or something else then they can

1234
00:55:41,559 --> 00:55:43,000
kind of you know if they're all kind of

1235
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,079
grouped they can kind of speak to those

1236
00:55:45,079 --> 00:55:47,200
skills that we're looking for with

1237
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,119
reference to the these you know projects

1238
00:55:49,119 --> 00:55:51,119
that aren't exactly lined up with water

1239
00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:53,440
waste water but integrate it you know

1240
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,000
their response in and I guess that's how

1241
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,119
I see that helping them organize their

1242
00:55:58,119 --> 00:56:01,079
thoughts and also help us you know pick

1243
00:56:01,079 --> 00:56:04,960
those skills out yeah okay I think we

1244
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:06,400
have some really great language and the

1245
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,280
council goals that can serve as kind of

1246
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:09,960
like the initial introduction to that

1247
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:11,880
section and then talking about

1248
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:13,480
maintaining sustainable infrastructure

1249
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,559
and then going into each section I think

1250
00:56:15,559 --> 00:56:19,039
we have it yeah great well and by the

1251
00:56:19,039 --> 00:56:23,200
way uh when it comes to rewriting this

1252
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,119
uh we will be working with Jeff and

1253
00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:26,760
Angie uh

1254
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:28,760
on that to make sure we're hitting the

1255
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:37,910
mark so those guys

1256
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:41,520
understand okay all right uh any other

1257
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:47,150
comments on the attribute

1258
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:48,960
section that

1259
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:54,200
will we'll move on and let's uh look at

1260
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,920
the policy directives uh any comments

1261
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:58,920
with regard to policy directives follow

1262
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,119
the Wastewater infrastructure expansion

1263
00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:03,000
the statement this I think it's the

1264
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,200
third sentence despite these efforts the

1265
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:06,200
high

1266
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,799
volume the high volume of sewage and

1267
00:57:08,799 --> 00:57:11,920
water fls especially during what has led

1268
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:15,440
yes that that's incorrect so that

1269
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:19,039
overhaul we're doing is because of

1270
00:57:19,039 --> 00:57:22,760
past problems and so that sentence we're

1271
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:24,200
talking about those overflows and things

1272
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:25,960
that was all before we started any of

1273
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,160
our upgrades we now reduced that

1274
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,280
significantly not to say that we never

1275
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,680
have a problem but it's it's not in

1276
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,400
spite of right

1277
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,400
okay so we'll change the beginning of

1278
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:43,630
that sentence to reflect

1279
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,119
that just make sure it's very in the

1280
00:57:46,119 --> 00:57:48,520
past

1281
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:50,880
because you're absolutely right yeah

1282
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:52,280
just was looking

1283
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:56,319
over okay great perfect that's kind of

1284
00:57:56,319 --> 00:57:57,720
we're looking for yeah I want to back up

1285
00:57:57,720 --> 00:57:59,760
just for one sec only I was just mention

1286
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:01,200
as I was looking at it I'm missing

1287
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,000
anything about Emergency Management is

1288
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,920
that is that necessary to have that in

1289
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,280
there uh no and again you know where

1290
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:10,960
these came out of were from the

1291
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,880
interviews that we did and what came

1292
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:15,880
collectively from everybody that we

1293
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,880
interviewed um we did not hear a lot

1294
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,119
about Emergency

1295
00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:23,440
Management I'm just pretty sure that's

1296
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:27,280
that was Jordan's role so that's one of

1297
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:28,920
his

1298
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,760
roles does need to be mentioned I would

1299
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,359
be one that didn't bring it up didn't

1300
00:58:34,359 --> 00:58:36,319
occur to me well ditto because I don't

1301
00:58:36,319 --> 00:58:39,960
think I brought it up obviously of did

1302
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:41,720
it's not it's not your forethought but I

1303
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:43,599
mean at the front of our brain right now

1304
00:58:43,599 --> 00:58:46,599
but I think that I do agree that uh the

1305
00:58:46,599 --> 00:58:48,520
Emergency Management and as we continue

1306
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:49,960
to work towards

1307
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:54,710
redundancies and all

1308
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,720
um I think that is something that I'm

1309
00:58:57,720 --> 00:58:58,760
not saying it has to have its own

1310
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:00,400
paragraph would you like to add it under

1311
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,960
leadership and management attributes the

1312
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,400
ability to manage under crisis including

1313
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,599
emergency conditions I I think it

1314
00:59:07,599 --> 00:59:09,119
belongs under intergovernmental

1315
00:59:09,119 --> 00:59:11,119
relations because that's you that's kind

1316
00:59:11,119 --> 00:59:13,319
of you know you're working with the fire

1317
00:59:13,319 --> 00:59:15,880
department and you know Sheriff's

1318
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:17,720
Office all

1319
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:21,319
those yeah you know as a city manager

1320
00:59:21,319 --> 00:59:24,000
you don't really have a lot of control

1321
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:25,119
over anything sorry I didn't mean to

1322
00:59:25,119 --> 00:59:27,559
back you up

1323
00:59:27,559 --> 00:59:29,720
that's that's fine rather hear about it

1324
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:33,079
now so I would say counselor um it may

1325
00:59:33,079 --> 00:59:34,839
actually even deserve its own bullet it

1326
00:59:34,839 --> 00:59:36,799
doesn't have to be a big one but it it

1327
00:59:36,799 --> 00:59:38,319
involves intergovernmental but it also

1328
00:59:38,319 --> 00:59:40,079
involves things just here within the

1329
00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:41,760
city organization it's funny you know

1330
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:43,799
the chief knows that we on a staff level

1331
00:59:43,799 --> 00:59:46,160
we had a meeting today on the natural

1332
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:47,960
Hazard mitigation plan which the council

1333
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,039
will be seeing later this year but kind

1334
00:59:50,039 --> 00:59:52,400
of our initial work on it it doesn't get

1335
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:53,880
talked about a lot but it is important

1336
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:55,680
and it is something that you know

1337
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:57,039
probably should be mentioned at least in

1338
00:59:57,039 --> 01:00:00,640
my opinion under its own section should

1339
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:02,480
everything goes that way if you got a

1340
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:04,440
big issue if the earthquake happens we

1341
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,880
won't even be thinking about Wastewater

1342
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:12,309
we all be going down to crack in a hole

1343
01:00:12,319 --> 01:00:15,440
Port that describe it pretty well no

1344
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,720
words we have some we have some language

1345
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:21,270
that we could

1346
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:24,440
offer you don't like that if there's if

1347
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:26,400
there's an earthquake or totally going

1348
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,440
to be worrying about water and waste

1349
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,990
water but

1350
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,039
anyway

1351
01:00:34,039 --> 01:00:37,760
bottles the uh should that to that point

1352
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:39,680
though rather than and and I'm cool with

1353
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:41,839
its own paragraph as well but should

1354
01:00:41,839 --> 01:00:44,039
that go under uh preferred experience

1355
01:00:44,039 --> 01:00:45,880
you know just and I'm just throwing this

1356
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,880
out there uh IC experience Emergency

1357
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:50,559
Management

1358
01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:53,559
operations um as a higher level I mean I

1359
01:00:53,559 --> 01:00:56,079
I know that's something that

1360
01:00:56,079 --> 01:00:58,079
is an executive

1361
01:00:58,079 --> 01:01:00,359
level piece of well that training

1362
01:01:00,359 --> 01:01:03,480
especially around the IC and that um and

1363
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:04,720
I made I'm just throwing this out there

1364
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:06,240
as a spitball I I don't know if that's a

1365
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,599
good idea or not that's your discretion

1366
01:01:08,599 --> 01:01:10,680
as to what you you want you know

1367
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,200
experience with IC or the ability to get

1368
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,000
it that's kind love because you know or

1369
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:17,280
is that something that's just too much

1370
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:18,960
into the weeds for something like I

1371
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:20,640
guess that's my question I'm a little

1372
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,599
concerned about there's a number of

1373
01:01:22,599 --> 01:01:25,960
small I shouldn't say smaller less

1374
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,720
crucial in our face uh that could be

1375
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:30,480
lumped into this and I'm thinking about

1376
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:32,799
personnel management not that it's not

1377
01:01:32,799 --> 01:01:34,680
important it's just that not in my face

1378
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:37,160
at the moment but the Emergency

1379
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:39,760
Management um and a little bit time I

1380
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:41,640
might come up with some others but I I

1381
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,280
think there are some things that we

1382
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,240
don't spend a lot of time with until

1383
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:48,520
they become in our face kind of stuff

1384
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:50,559
and so I'm a little concerned about

1385
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:52,400
pulling out each of those different

1386
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:54,240
items because again we're going to end

1387
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:57,920
up with this the uh sample is is the

1388
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,000
Unicorn thing you'll never get somebody

1389
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,599
has all these different pieces and and

1390
01:02:02,599 --> 01:02:04,359
Emergency Management I let's just be

1391
01:02:04,359 --> 01:02:06,680
honest with how much Focus we've given

1392
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:08,880
it as a council the last two and a half

1393
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:12,200
years which is half of one work session

1394
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:14,839
or something that didn't go well I

1395
01:02:14,839 --> 01:02:18,480
mean if unless we choose to prioritize

1396
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:20,400
that and push it more regardless of what

1397
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:21,680
experience they come in with we're not

1398
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:24,079
going to do much there I think you would

1399
01:02:24,079 --> 01:02:25,880
also gather that from based off their

1400
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:27,240
experience as a skill set that they

1401
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,119
would have that they could learn based

1402
01:02:29,119 --> 01:02:32,079
off their their whole experience level I

1403
01:02:32,079 --> 01:02:33,319
think that's what you could teach and

1404
01:02:33,319 --> 01:02:36,119
don't I I thought I I kind of recall

1405
01:02:36,119 --> 01:02:39,559
Mike having to go to the uh IC Ernie do

1406
01:02:39,559 --> 01:02:42,200
you guys your staff go to IC training

1407
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:45,839
staff do well a lot of Staff try just at

1408
01:02:45,839 --> 01:02:47,559
least the lower levels of it some more

1409
01:02:47,559 --> 01:02:48,240
than

1410
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:50,359
others I was G say when I started with

1411
01:02:50,359 --> 01:02:52,640
the state I had no government experience

1412
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:55,839
with IC and in my first year I went to

1413
01:02:55,839 --> 01:02:58,000
several course works and then I came

1414
01:02:58,000 --> 01:02:59,960
back and had to draft the agency policy

1415
01:02:59,960 --> 01:03:03,119
for it so it just you could get trained

1416
01:03:03,119 --> 01:03:06,279
in it I think it'd be unusual to see it

1417
01:03:06,279 --> 01:03:08,599
in the qualification section for city

1418
01:03:08,599 --> 01:03:10,680
manager but I mean but having it in the

1419
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:12,839
kind of further it in the into the body

1420
01:03:12,839 --> 01:03:16,000
if this sort of makes sense does that

1421
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,200
okay

1422
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:20,240
R should it just fit under

1423
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:22,480
intergovernmental relations though I'm

1424
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:24,640
just trying to as to avoid a whole

1425
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:26,640
paragraph I guess in my

1426
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:28,000
and I'm fine with that I can be sold

1427
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:29,319
either way I don't know the right answer

1428
01:03:29,319 --> 01:03:31,200
I've never done this before

1429
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:36,760
so so um again it depends on where this

1430
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,359
priority lies for you uh in conjunction

1431
01:03:39,359 --> 01:03:40,920
with everything else that you've got

1432
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:44,079
down there on the attributes you know

1433
01:03:44,079 --> 01:03:47,760
for for sisters for example Emergency

1434
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:52,240
Management was a big deal um for obvious

1435
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:54,119
reasons

1436
01:03:54,119 --> 01:03:58,240
um I I only you can tell us how big of a

1437
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:01,880
deal it is for you at this point in time

1438
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:05,200
but if you were to include it in under

1439
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:08,720
intergovernmental relations then uh at

1440
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,079
least you've got a foothold if you will

1441
01:04:11,079 --> 01:04:12,599
for Emergency

1442
01:04:12,599 --> 01:04:15,319
Management uh and so that we when we're

1443
01:04:15,319 --> 01:04:18,119
scanning through applications then we're

1444
01:04:18,119 --> 01:04:20,520
catching that danan do you have a

1445
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:22,440
preference if it goes under inter

1446
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:24,440
government relations or Standalone

1447
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:26,400
paragraph

1448
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:28,640
no I mean it really can go under both I

1449
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:30,920
mean you're right Kathleen you're uh

1450
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:33,680
Jordan's you know doing everything from

1451
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:36,359
clackmas County Fire to clackmas County

1452
01:04:36,359 --> 01:04:39,000
government to their emergency department

1453
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:40,680
to the state so it could go

1454
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:42,039
intergovernmental it could be a

1455
01:04:42,039 --> 01:04:44,920
standalone I'm good either way Jeff why

1456
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:46,599
do you think it need be own

1457
01:04:46,599 --> 01:04:48,480
paragraph probably because I'm in the

1458
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:50,119
midst of doing

1459
01:04:50,119 --> 01:04:52,839
the I'm being quite honest yeah I I

1460
01:04:52,839 --> 01:04:54,960
think that we were reminded and chief

1461
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:56,440
feel free to speak up if you disagree

1462
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:57,960
but I mean I think we were reminded of

1463
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:00,079
this is something that gets looked at

1464
01:05:00,079 --> 01:05:02,400
every several years and it probably

1465
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:05,400
deserves more than that you know and I'm

1466
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,200
I'm I mean that's why I'm conflicted is

1467
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:10,599
but is but to the earlier point though

1468
01:05:10,599 --> 01:05:13,039
if uh if everyone in government's going

1469
01:05:13,039 --> 01:05:16,839
through this training I mean does it are

1470
01:05:16,839 --> 01:05:18,039
we really it sounds like we're not going

1471
01:05:18,039 --> 01:05:20,760
to hire anyone outside of government so

1472
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:22,520
sounds like just about everyone's going

1473
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:24,359
to have gone through this train and be

1474
01:05:24,359 --> 01:05:26,520
able to lean on something

1475
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:28,920
uh in some sort of

1476
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:31,200
fashion I'm of the opinion that this is

1477
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:32,599
something that if they meet all the rest

1478
01:05:32,599 --> 01:05:35,359
of the criteria we can get them trained

1479
01:05:35,359 --> 01:05:37,359
train them set their priorities

1480
01:05:37,359 --> 01:05:40,400
appropriately and and make that happen

1481
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:42,039
I'm hopeful this area will not keep me

1482
01:05:42,039 --> 01:05:43,799
from selecting somebody we can why don't

1483
01:05:43,799 --> 01:05:46,400
we just put it in intergovernmental

1484
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,880
relation cool let's do

1485
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,440
that okay so we will incorporate in

1486
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:55,119
intergo intergovernmental relations all

1487
01:05:55,119 --> 01:05:57,440
right um you ready to go back to the

1488
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:01,720
policy directives y okay any any other

1489
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:02,799
comments on the Wastewater

1490
01:06:02,799 --> 01:06:05,240
infrastructure

1491
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:09,520
expansion going going going gone okay uh

1492
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:13,150
how about the drinking water

1493
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,319
reinvestment looks

1494
01:06:15,319 --> 01:06:18,640
good hearing none I'll move on to the

1495
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:20,640
next section Community Campus Park

1496
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,680
project can you get the right total

1497
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:26,039
amount from Jeff it's not 1

1498
01:06:26,039 --> 01:06:29,640
significantly more than that

1499
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:31,640
okay all right we'll get the right

1500
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:35,950
number in

1501
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:39,000
there anything else like that that we

1502
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:42,870
didn't hit the mark

1503
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:46,760
on all right I'm Gonna Keep Going uh

1504
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:48,880
police chief recruitment any comments on

1505
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,520
that the recently began operating I

1506
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:53,119
don't think it's correct unless I'm

1507
01:06:53,119 --> 01:07:05,750
misunderstanding something

1508
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:07,640
thought we were close but not

1509
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:09,160
there

1510
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:15,309
247 we've been doing that for a

1511
01:07:15,319 --> 01:07:20,920
long we operate at 24 by okay all

1512
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:24,559
right well over 20 years okay we'll

1513
01:07:24,559 --> 01:07:26,240
strike we'll strike the recently and

1514
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:29,480
just say that uh that you run a 247

1515
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:32,039
service so okay okay now I have a

1516
01:07:32,039 --> 01:07:35,640
question I mean I'm open to uh thoughts

1517
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:36,960
about it because I know it's kind of

1518
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:39,760
come up but um it says um the the next

1519
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:41,839
city manager is expected to lead a

1520
01:07:41,839 --> 01:07:45,200
transparent and fair selection process

1521
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:47,160
to select the next police chief and I

1522
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:48,960
was going to put in to lead a

1523
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:51,359
transparent and fair Recruitment and

1524
01:07:51,359 --> 01:07:52,839
selection

1525
01:07:52,839 --> 01:07:56,359
process how do y'all feel about that

1526
01:07:56,359 --> 01:07:59,799
anybody have a concern about

1527
01:07:59,799 --> 01:08:02,799
that okay we'll put we'll put

1528
01:08:02,799 --> 01:08:06,390
recruitment in there as well thank

1529
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,440
you anything else on the police chief

1530
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:11,039
well don't give us too much of a thank

1531
01:08:11,039 --> 01:08:13,599
you we haven't picked the firm yet you

1532
01:08:13,599 --> 01:08:17,120
know that was a joke that was a

1533
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:21,279
joke all right um Workforce capacity and

1534
01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:23,239
space needs assessment any comments on

1535
01:08:23,239 --> 01:08:28,630
that

1536
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:36,269
not seeing any okay

1537
01:08:36,279 --> 01:08:38,520
um through all that

1538
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:41,000
um you know the thing that kind of

1539
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:44,359
concerns me a little bit is you know we

1540
01:08:44,359 --> 01:08:47,960
only have so much tax dollars right now

1541
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:51,279
and so you know yes we're growing but

1542
01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:54,000
that balance of being able you know the

1543
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:55,719
reason we're still small is because we

1544
01:08:55,719 --> 01:08:58,080
don't have you know a huge amount of

1545
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:00,279
money to kind of be hiring all these new

1546
01:09:00,279 --> 01:09:06,600
people and so I understand we need it

1547
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:10,679
um but it's part of it is it's having to

1548
01:09:10,679 --> 01:09:13,000
kind of balance do we contract out

1549
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:15,799
certain things or do we hire inh house

1550
01:09:15,799 --> 01:09:18,120
and and so balancing that how to kind of

1551
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:20,159
you know I I hate to say that do more

1552
01:09:20,159 --> 01:09:23,440
with less but but kind of how to balance

1553
01:09:23,440 --> 01:09:25,440
you know getting things done with our

1554
01:09:25,440 --> 01:09:27,799
growing population but within our

1555
01:09:27,799 --> 01:09:31,120
limited tax base um isn't that kind of

1556
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:35,430
covered in that next the last sentence

1557
01:09:35,440 --> 01:09:38,290
yeah we expected

1558
01:09:38,290 --> 01:09:39,960
[Music]

1559
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:41,679
to

1560
01:09:41,679 --> 01:09:43,560
strategies within

1561
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:47,990
available Avail

1562
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,480
resources enough yeah I think so yeah we

1563
01:09:51,480 --> 01:09:53,440
we definitely heard that and we we were

1564
01:09:53,440 --> 01:09:56,679
trying hard to thread that needle uh to

1565
01:09:56,679 --> 01:09:59,159
make sure that that that concept's in

1566
01:09:59,159 --> 01:10:01,040
there well the other part the other

1567
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,679
thought that came to my mind and I think

1568
01:10:03,679 --> 01:10:05,960
you heard it you heard it from me I know

1569
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:08,920
about um the whole idea of you know work

1570
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:12,600
from home versus work in the office you

1571
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:14,560
heard it from me too

1572
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:17,120
yeah and so I don't know you know is

1573
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:20,040
that is that kind of in here or and I'm

1574
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:22,159
not saying that they need to you know be

1575
01:10:22,159 --> 01:10:24,600
at the office every day or something but

1576
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:26,320
I see that last last thing yeah I'm

1577
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:27,960
hoping that was what was meant by that

1578
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:29,679
last thing was coming up with the

1579
01:10:29,679 --> 01:10:32,000
policies the appropriate policies for

1580
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:33,719
that sounds pretty detailed I I would

1581
01:10:33,719 --> 01:10:36,360
expect that whoever's in that position

1582
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:40,280
will look at that very closely and

1583
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:43,239
decide and we will administer

1584
01:10:43,239 --> 01:10:46,280
his grade at the end of the

1585
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:49,440
year to me that last one is brought

1586
01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:52,120
enough that you know whatever they have

1587
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:54,600
to come up with a strategy they got to

1588
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:56,040
keep us happy

1589
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:59,159
yeah I mean it's a matter of public

1590
01:10:59,159 --> 01:11:00,840
service and they got to keep their

1591
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:04,199
employees happy and so yeah okay we

1592
01:11:04,199 --> 01:11:07,560
gotta keep Angie happy

1593
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:10,000
yeah take

1594
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:14,870
much that's not what I

1595
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:18,000
heard all right well thank you and I and

1596
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,560
I I would concur that I I think that

1597
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:22,719
that's something that would be inherent

1598
01:11:22,719 --> 01:11:26,080
uh with with what's said here

1599
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:28,320
um it's easy to get down into the weeds

1600
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:30,800
and some of the policy stuff and uh with

1601
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:32,679
regard to the work atome issue every

1602
01:11:32,679 --> 01:11:34,480
city that we're working with is dealing

1603
01:11:34,480 --> 01:11:38,040
with that right now um and you know how

1604
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:39,840
much of that is a change in the norm and

1605
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:42,960
how much of that is uh this is a a

1606
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:44,840
one-time deal and you're going to move

1607
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:48,040
on to other issues

1608
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:51,480
so okay um so that takes us all the way

1609
01:11:51,480 --> 01:11:54,040
through the profile and with those

1610
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:56,120
comments so we will make make those

1611
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:58,440
changes uh and run them by Jeff and

1612
01:11:58,440 --> 01:12:01,320
Angie and make sure that uh um they're

1613
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:05,199
okay with it so and we assume that

1614
01:12:05,199 --> 01:12:07,080
you're you're all right if they sign off

1615
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:09,719
on it I'm sorry but I'm gonna back

1616
01:12:09,719 --> 01:12:11,320
appreciation for sing one of the things

1617
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:13,760
that you asked me was do they need to

1618
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:15,920
live in San and I said no I don't think

1619
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:19,280
they do but I want I think it's

1620
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:21,360
important that they you

1621
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:24,440
know come to you know evening events or

1622
01:12:24,440 --> 01:12:28,080
go to a after hours you know chamber

1623
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:32,719
meeting or or um you know do a weekend

1624
01:12:32,719 --> 01:12:34,560
you know solve cleanup or whatever to be

1625
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:36,320
visible and stuff and so that

1626
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:40,840
willingness to kind of um show up to you

1627
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:42,960
know to the Comm so that the community

1628
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:46,080
is aware of them and and communicating

1629
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:48,360
with them so I don't know how

1630
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:50,840
you did that kind of get addressed in

1631
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:53,840
here it it did counselor uh we did talk

1632
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,120
about visibility in Community I think it

1633
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:59,760
was under Community engagement okay um

1634
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:03,520
all right so thank you okay what was

1635
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:05,520
that by the way I was the same sort of

1636
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:08,760
boat as kathen n cat person had to be in

1637
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:10,159
the

1638
01:13:10,159 --> 01:13:12,840
city boundaries just

1639
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:16,199
curious I don't think it I don't think

1640
01:13:16,199 --> 01:13:19,040
they have to I thought I think I said it

1641
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:22,400
was preferred not required I thought

1642
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:25,880
Community the 97055 I because I I

1643
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:28,600
thought Community visibility is is where

1644
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:30,679
they need to be seen

1645
01:13:30,679 --> 01:13:32,480
absolutely which is been whether they

1646
01:13:32,480 --> 01:13:34,679
lived here or not if they lived here be

1647
01:13:34,679 --> 01:13:36,320
better but I I wouldn't exclude them if

1648
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:38,719
they didn't live here I mean when Jordan

1649
01:13:38,719 --> 01:13:40,639
was not that's for sure when a candidate

1650
01:13:40,639 --> 01:13:42,960
asked you how much of my time do I have

1651
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:44,159
to spend in the office what will you

1652
01:13:44,159 --> 01:13:46,360
tell

1653
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:50,520
them uh first of all um if they're

1654
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:52,560
asking that

1655
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:54,760
question they're not that familiar with

1656
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:58,600
the job okay um so I mean you're look

1657
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:00,120
you're looking for somebody who has been

1658
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:04,760
in the sea Suite um so I work in the

1659
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:06,320
federal government and a lot of those

1660
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:10,840
seite people work at home a lot now so

1661
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:13,360
surprisingly yeah I mean we're we're

1662
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:15,920
very clear when when candidates ask us

1663
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:18,199
you know can we work remotely and I've

1664
01:14:18,199 --> 01:14:20,840
had only one candidate in the last three

1665
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:25,199
years ever asked that question um that

1666
01:14:25,199 --> 01:14:28,760
that uh the answer is no this is I sit

1667
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:31,560
here educated thank you these are city

1668
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:36,030
managers right talking about

1669
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:39,760
yes I think you know given dual careers

1670
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:42,440
that people face trying to find jobs and

1671
01:14:42,440 --> 01:14:45,159
stuff the fact that you know I me that's

1672
01:14:45,159 --> 01:14:46,400
understandable that they don't

1673
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:47,960
necessarily have

1674
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:51,840
to long as they can be visible and

1675
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:54,239
weekend a weekend day or evening or

1676
01:14:54,239 --> 01:14:58,830
something like that

1677
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:00,719
I would just say one one last thing to

1678
01:15:00,719 --> 01:15:03,600
go back to what Stan said originally um

1679
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:06,520
sorry the mayor said originally is any

1680
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:08,000
way that we could find a different way

1681
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:11,400
to consider alternative experience

1682
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:14,679
because I feel like we've got such a

1683
01:15:14,679 --> 01:15:18,000
prescriptive profile here that you know

1684
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:20,719
when it comes to education and

1685
01:15:20,719 --> 01:15:23,719
experience that somebody who may not be

1686
01:15:23,719 --> 01:15:25,520
more formalized

1687
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:28,920
will not apply and then that worries me

1688
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:31,080
about Dei and whether we're being

1689
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:33,960
inclusive of of everyone and there's

1690
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:36,120
nothing in here about Dei there's no

1691
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:39,159
statements about Dei so it I want to

1692
01:15:39,159 --> 01:15:40,360
make sure that we are considering

1693
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:42,560
alternative Pathways and I know that the

1694
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:44,120
very front it says equivalent

1695
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,800
combination of Education experience may

1696
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:50,000
be considered to me that's very benign

1697
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:52,560
it's not enough to let somebody know

1698
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:55,639
who's reading this that hey

1699
01:15:55,639 --> 01:15:57,560
let's look at your breath of of

1700
01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:00,239
experience and and and put it in there

1701
01:16:00,239 --> 01:16:02,320
and any way we can articulate that to an

1702
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:04,280
applicant that we don't scare them away

1703
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:06,560
with all these details and I don't know

1704
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:08,000
how you get a good balance with that or

1705
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,440
at least because this is this is like

1706
01:16:10,440 --> 01:16:13,239
long and a lot of stuff so I just want

1707
01:16:13,239 --> 01:16:15,199
to make sure that we're getting a good

1708
01:16:15,199 --> 01:16:17,600
selection of diverse applicants that

1709
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:20,920
come in and feel like it's a job that

1710
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:25,040
they get so whoever they be

1711
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:26,800
like that's almost

1712
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:29,080
impossible just from the like you said

1713
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:31,320
from the criteria that's why if you're

1714
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:32,320
if you're looking for seasoned

1715
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:33,960
experience you look at the demographics

1716
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:36,280
of Who currently fills those roles

1717
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:38,600
across the region I don't think it's a

1718
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:40,159
very diverse

1719
01:16:40,159 --> 01:16:42,719
group not an org it's

1720
01:16:42,719 --> 01:16:46,719
not one thing concerns me though is I

1721
01:16:46,719 --> 01:16:48,120
was in the forest

1722
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:52,360
service to there are certain quotas I'll

1723
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:56,159
put it that way that were required

1724
01:16:56,159 --> 01:16:58,400
I'm not anticipating that here are

1725
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:00,280
yougive

1726
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:03,080
me I assume when you do the brochure

1727
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:04,880
you're gonna say things like we consider

1728
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:09,480
all candidates yes that's oh

1729
01:17:09,480 --> 01:17:12,719
that's we always but uh the city is an

1730
01:17:12,719 --> 01:17:16,560
equal opportunity employer um yeah so

1731
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:19,400
we'll cover those Bas be blind when it

1732
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:20,880
comes

1733
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:23,719
to yeah but it's I think the hard part

1734
01:17:23,719 --> 01:17:25,600
is

1735
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:28,920
from an equity diversity and inclusion

1736
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:32,239
perspective it does require proactively

1737
01:17:32,239 --> 01:17:35,280
recruiting from a broad net and if you

1738
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:37,920
made the filter criteria so restrictive

1739
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:40,199
that how how does somebody who falls

1740
01:17:40,199 --> 01:17:43,159
into that category get their first years

1741
01:17:43,159 --> 01:17:47,080
of experience well we're saying not here

1742
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:49,679
yes that's what we're saying and I'm

1743
01:17:49,679 --> 01:17:51,719
just and I'm just mentioning did we look

1744
01:17:51,719 --> 01:17:54,920
at this did we are we aware of it are we

1745
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:57,120
we write this out because this is just a

1746
01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:59,719
draft when we get there will we consider

1747
01:17:59,719 --> 01:18:02,239
alternative experience Pathways that

1748
01:18:02,239 --> 01:18:05,320
that aren't necessarily what we've

1749
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:11,120
outlined um to expand our selection pool

1750
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:13,080
and I'm not saying underqualified I'm

1751
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:15,080
saying experienced but in a different

1752
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:20,600
way um and and how does that person when

1753
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:23,199
they read this on the

1754
01:18:23,199 --> 01:18:26,719
web and they say I think I might fit

1755
01:18:26,719 --> 01:18:29,000
this and they actually apply because

1756
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:31,280
what we're talking about is they that

1757
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:34,159
group of individuals not even applying

1758
01:18:34,159 --> 01:18:35,480
because they feel

1759
01:18:35,480 --> 01:18:38,400
excluded because we've made it so extra

1760
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:40,560
is there anything that we can or should

1761
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:42,400
add that would make it more attractive

1762
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:45,520
to somebody who might feel like go on

1763
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:47,280
the fren

1764
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:48,920
sh

1765
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:51,600
um so first of all let me let me just

1766
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:54,199
say that uh in our advertising that we

1767
01:18:54,199 --> 01:18:55,400
do for these

1768
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:58,320
positions uh we advertise nationally we

1769
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:01,719
also advertise with specific um

1770
01:19:01,719 --> 01:19:06,000
demographic groups um there there is for

1771
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:08,760
example a a black public administrators

1772
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:11,719
group um nationally and we advertise

1773
01:19:11,719 --> 01:19:16,440
with them um the same uh with Hispanic

1774
01:19:16,440 --> 01:19:20,920
um so you know we try to cast The Net as

1775
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:24,920
broadly as possible uh in that regard um

1776
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:28,600
um the in terms of the the

1777
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:31,280
terminology um we're very careful about

1778
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:33,560
the terminology we use we have somebody

1779
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:36,280
who is on our team who is responsible

1780
01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:40,440
for um applying a Dei lens to all of our

1781
01:19:40,440 --> 01:19:43,679
products and um she's given us great

1782
01:19:43,679 --> 01:19:46,560
advice you know so for example we no

1783
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:50,159
longer talk about a candidate being a

1784
01:19:50,159 --> 01:19:58,120
fit because fit now is code for a you're

1785
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:00,480
looking for somebody who's going to be

1786
01:20:00,480 --> 01:20:02,400
just like

1787
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:06,600
us and uh so we don't use that that

1788
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:08,639
terminology anymore so we're pretty

1789
01:20:08,639 --> 01:20:12,920
careful about how we uh how we craft

1790
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:15,719
these to make sure that it's they're not

1791
01:20:15,719 --> 01:20:19,560
exclusionary at least you know to the

1792
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:23,350
best of our

1793
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:25,400
abilities yeah

1794
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:29,440
I mean this says um uh you know you

1795
01:20:29,440 --> 01:20:31,159
mentioned inclusion you know the the

1796
01:20:31,159 --> 01:20:32,880
city manager should demonstrate

1797
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:34,920
emotional competency transparency

1798
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:37,040
humility inclusion ethics and

1799
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:39,320
accessibility when communting all

1800
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:41,560
individuals or groups and that and that

1801
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:44,040
said I would also add that

1802
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:48,639
I you know the the place to get

1803
01:20:48,639 --> 01:20:51,880
um I I couldn't see us hiring somebody

1804
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:54,679
who doesn't have any cine management

1805
01:20:54,679 --> 01:20:57,120
experience regardless of how great they

1806
01:20:57,120 --> 01:20:58,960
are

1807
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:01,960
because I think that you know this job

1808
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:04,760
requires some experience we've got such

1809
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:06,719
big issues that we're dealing with that

1810
01:21:06,719 --> 01:21:08,840
if you don't have that kind of a

1811
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:10,480
background you're going to really

1812
01:21:10,480 --> 01:21:13,480
struggle and it's going to be difficult

1813
01:21:13,480 --> 01:21:15,239
to kind of it's it's a very steep

1814
01:21:15,239 --> 01:21:17,440
learning curve if you don't and I don't

1815
01:21:17,440 --> 01:21:19,239
think we can really afford that

1816
01:21:19,239 --> 01:21:21,520
especially you know we've got so much

1817
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:23,960
going on um I think the place for those

1818
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:26,040
folks is to kind of get you know

1819
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:27,840
assistant you know assistant city

1820
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:29,280
managers and things like that that's

1821
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:31,520
where you know they can they can learn

1822
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:34,760
but not not at the top right see

1823
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:36,239
Kathleen I would I would argue with you

1824
01:21:36,239 --> 01:21:39,120
and say look I and I'm not applying so

1825
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:40,679
I'm just gonna say this out loud I've

1826
01:21:40,679 --> 01:21:43,560
got 25 years private sector 20 years

1827
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:45,280
executive level leadership five years

1828
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:47,560
state government individual leadership

1829
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:48,960
everything we've just described I have

1830
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:50,920
all this experience right here I have it

1831
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:52,920
all I've never been a

1832
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:55,280
city I've done everything testify in

1833
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:57,600
front of the senate sit on the w means

1834
01:21:57,600 --> 01:21:59,679
committee and

1835
01:21:59,679 --> 01:22:02,199
testify you don't need City man yeah do

1836
01:22:02,199 --> 01:22:04,920
we want to C

1837
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:08,679
but but that's I hear what you're saying

1838
01:22:08,679 --> 01:22:10,120
though because you want City management

1839
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:12,199
experience but I'm saying there are

1840
01:22:12,199 --> 01:22:15,480
other there are other roles that people

1841
01:22:15,480 --> 01:22:17,639
can do to get the same exact experience

1842
01:22:17,639 --> 01:22:19,719
that isn't City man I know over their

1843
01:22:19,719 --> 01:22:21,639
over their career and I don't want to

1844
01:22:21,639 --> 01:22:23,760
exclude people who don't have City

1845
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:25,040
management experience

1846
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:26,600
I and I totally get where you're coming

1847
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:28,520
from and just to kind of have some real

1848
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:30,400
word experience there you know the

1849
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:34,000
forest service is you know the the new

1850
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:36,320
Forest supervisor I don't think ever

1851
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:38,000
worked for the forest service

1852
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:40,800
before and you know the same I I believe

1853
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:41,960
that's the case with the new District

1854
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:43,600
Ranger at zigzag never worked for the

1855
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:45,920
for service doesn't know fish you know

1856
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:49,239
fish from fou you know kind of thing and

1857
01:22:49,239 --> 01:22:50,920
I'm I'm sure they do know fish from fou

1858
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:52,360
but and I don't mean to to mean that but

1859
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:54,280
they have that leadership experience in

1860
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:56,280
all they have to prove themselves in

1861
01:22:56,280 --> 01:22:58,520
that interview process they show that

1862
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:00,679
they have the experience do those things

1863
01:23:00,679 --> 01:23:03,159
I think that's okay for for certain

1864
01:23:03,159 --> 01:23:05,600
things I do know that you know when

1865
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:07,320
you're talking about Wilderness policies

1866
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:09,040
and all those other things you there's

1867
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:11,360
just some things where it really helps

1868
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:13,760
when those people have some familiarity

1869
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:15,760
with what Wilderness is or what the

1870
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:17,960
forest surface is or things like that

1871
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:20,760
and so I get that there's you know I I

1872
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:24,600
think it's important to not limit us but

1873
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:28,159
I also think sometimes it's helpful if

1874
01:23:28,159 --> 01:23:30,320
they know so so I think we're in a

1875
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:33,239
pretty good spot because you know Chris

1876
01:23:33,239 --> 01:23:34,719
to your point I don't think we've

1877
01:23:34,719 --> 01:23:38,280
communicated anything to Eric here today

1878
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:40,320
or or described anything that wouldn't

1879
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:42,400
take somebody with that skill set that

1880
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:43,600
you're

1881
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:46,360
describing and have them potentially

1882
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:49,080
consider pushing them forward as a you

1883
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:51,400
know as a potential candidate but to

1884
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:54,040
Kathleen's point I mean on the city

1885
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:55,560
experience and the local government

1886
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:57,080
experience I mean that is clearly

1887
01:23:57,080 --> 01:24:00,600
preferred I think by Council um but you

1888
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:02,600
know I I don't think anything in here I

1889
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:04,280
mean if you look at the minimum

1890
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:06,080
requirement for education I mean it's a

1891
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:08,600
bachelor's degree you know I mean

1892
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:11,199
everything else is just uh is just

1893
01:24:11,199 --> 01:24:13,920
preferred and desired skills and

1894
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:16,320
attributes and so I I you know if you're

1895
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:18,040
somebody with that kind of experience

1896
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:19,960
that you're describing Chris I think you

1897
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:21,920
you you know that you're qualified to be

1898
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:24,440
a city manager and and you're definitely

1899
01:24:24,440 --> 01:24:26,480
well within your grasp to apply and I'm

1900
01:24:26,480 --> 01:24:27,639
not talking about you I mean someone

1901
01:24:27,639 --> 01:24:29,840
with that experience uh stepping forward

1902
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:32,440
to apply for it uh but I think you also

1903
01:24:32,440 --> 01:24:34,880
know that you have a bit of a hurdle you

1904
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:36,719
know you know that you're not a city

1905
01:24:36,719 --> 01:24:39,400
manager and and haven't worked in a you

1906
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:41,440
know City municipality and so I don't

1907
01:24:41,440 --> 01:24:43,440
think there's anything here that a

1908
01:24:43,440 --> 01:24:45,679
prevents someone of that skill set to

1909
01:24:45,679 --> 01:24:48,719
apply uh but b i I think that individual

1910
01:24:48,719 --> 01:24:50,880
does have a bit of a hurdle and probably

1911
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:52,920
should knowingly know that you know

1912
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:55,080
going into the application

1913
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:57,480
process yeah I agree with you 100% I was

1914
01:24:57,480 --> 01:25:00,480
just contending what I heard councelor

1915
01:25:00,480 --> 01:25:03,239
Walker say which was the city manager

1916
01:25:03,239 --> 01:25:06,480
experience and I'm just saying it's

1917
01:25:06,480 --> 01:25:10,000
similar similar yes I think what we've

1918
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:12,800
got written up collects a broad set of

1919
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:14,320
candidates and then when we get to sit

1920
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:16,679
and deliberate for those top three or

1921
01:25:16,679 --> 01:25:18,440
five or whoever then we can kind of

1922
01:25:18,440 --> 01:25:21,400
weigh that those nuances there I think

1923
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:23,119
one of the things I've always thought

1924
01:25:23,119 --> 01:25:26,840
that make City manager's application to

1925
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:29,760
Sandy is that we are connected to a

1926
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:32,320
whole range of possibilities for

1927
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:34,159
different ethnic groups you know the

1928
01:25:34,159 --> 01:25:37,360
Portland area we've got the different

1929
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:39,880
groups that are living here in the city

1930
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:41,719
as well as you know possibility of

1931
01:25:41,719 --> 01:25:43,760
connecting with them in different parts

1932
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:46,480
of the metro area I I think if you're

1933
01:25:46,480 --> 01:25:48,000
looking for somebody who might want to

1934
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:50,600
move to a place that has some diversity

1935
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:52,920
and the possibilities of finding that

1936
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:55,040
diversity probably you're in the

1937
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:57,760
Portland metro

1938
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:01,119
area Council um if you if you're okay

1939
01:26:01,119 --> 01:26:04,840
with the the profil as it is I I would

1940
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:06,360
suggest we move on because I do had a

1941
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:07,960
few of the things I'd like to cover if

1942
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:11,270
that's all right with you folks

1943
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:14,119
or yes please

1944
01:26:14,119 --> 01:26:19,040
okay um so with regard to uh the hiring

1945
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:22,520
procedures this will go a lot quicker um

1946
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:24,600
the hiring procedures are what we wrote

1947
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:26,679
up in our proposal so you're not seeing

1948
01:26:26,679 --> 01:26:28,560
anything different than you saw in our

1949
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:30,719
proposal um we're going to follow that

1950
01:26:30,719 --> 01:26:33,840
same process that that we uh that we had

1951
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:38,280
outlined um I will um suggest to you

1952
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:41,679
that there are some uh key points that

1953
01:26:41,679 --> 01:26:43,960
uh I want to make you aware of in in the

1954
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:47,960
process so we will be uh assuming that

1955
01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:50,639
you do adopt uh the profile and the

1956
01:26:50,639 --> 01:26:53,679
hiring procedures on the 20th uh we

1957
01:26:53,679 --> 01:26:57,239
areed SCH to launch this from on July

1958
01:26:57,239 --> 01:27:00,560
10th and it'll run to August 6 which we

1959
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:04,199
typically go for uh 4 weeks that's that

1960
01:27:04,199 --> 01:27:08,000
standard um once we that happens we will

1961
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:09,880
gather the applications we will apply

1962
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:11,560
them against the criteria that you have

1963
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:15,119
outlined for us um and then we will

1964
01:27:15,119 --> 01:27:19,800
interview uh by Zoom uh the the top

1965
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:23,760
usually it's the top 10 if uh and we

1966
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:25,360
might go a little above or a little

1967
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:26,840
below depending upon what we've got in

1968
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:31,119
the pool um and based on that we will

1969
01:27:31,119 --> 01:27:33,360
come back to you in executive session I

1970
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:35,639
hope you have this on your schedule on

1971
01:27:35,639 --> 01:27:36,880
August

1972
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:40,719
21st um because when we come back we

1973
01:27:40,719 --> 01:27:42,920
will bring you everybody that we've

1974
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:45,280
interviewed and we will bring you

1975
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:48,199
notebooks that will have all their App

1976
01:27:48,199 --> 01:27:50,560
application materials in them and we'll

1977
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:53,480
present those candidates to you and we

1978
01:27:53,480 --> 01:27:55,560
will be looking for you to give us

1979
01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:57,679
guidance as to who you would like to

1980
01:27:57,679 --> 01:27:59,920
move forward up to four candidates move

1981
01:27:59,920 --> 01:28:03,639
forward as finalists um we don't do

1982
01:28:03,639 --> 01:28:06,360
these meetings by Zoom uh because we're

1983
01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:08,719
protective of the candidates uh that

1984
01:28:08,719 --> 01:28:12,440
have not publicly declared that they are

1985
01:28:12,440 --> 01:28:15,840
candidates um so uh that's the reason

1986
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:17,880
that we do this in hard copy in

1987
01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:19,119
executive

1988
01:28:19,119 --> 01:28:22,840
session um once we get that uh

1989
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:25,040
designation from you uh we will offer

1990
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:27,440
you some recommendations But ultimately

1991
01:28:27,440 --> 01:28:28,800
of course it's your decision who you

1992
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:31,719
want to move forward as finalist uh once

1993
01:28:31,719 --> 01:28:34,239
that happens uh then we will uh start

1994
01:28:34,239 --> 01:28:36,360
doing background checks and reference

1995
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:39,360
checks uh on the candidates and uh then

1996
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:41,400
we move into what we refer to as the

1997
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:43,480
finalist week and these are the other

1998
01:28:43,480 --> 01:28:45,159
dates that we're hoping that you'll have

1999
01:28:45,159 --> 01:28:50,360
on your calendar um so uh the finalist

2000
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:53,119
week is going to be uh the week of

2001
01:28:53,119 --> 01:28:55,239
September 11

2002
01:28:55,239 --> 01:28:58,280
and starting with Tuesday September 12th

2003
01:28:58,280 --> 01:29:01,040
we have two commun two receptions one

2004
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:03,800
for the staff and one for the community

2005
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:07,239
we highly encourage Council to attend

2006
01:29:07,239 --> 01:29:10,639
the community reception as observers to

2007
01:29:10,639 --> 01:29:13,080
see how the candidates interact with

2008
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:14,159
your

2009
01:29:14,159 --> 01:29:18,080
community um and following that on the

2010
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:20,159
Wednesday we do panel interviews with

2011
01:29:20,159 --> 01:29:22,480
the department heads with other public

2012
01:29:22,480 --> 01:29:25,119
administrators in the area

2013
01:29:25,119 --> 01:29:29,600
uh as as well as uh with the community

2014
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:31,400
as with Community

2015
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:34,440
leaders following that on September 14th

2016
01:29:34,440 --> 01:29:35,800
this is the other date that you'll want

2017
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:38,000
to have on your calendar on September

2018
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:40,639
14th will be your interviews with the

2019
01:29:40,639 --> 01:29:42,400
candidates and we schedule longer

2020
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:43,880
interviews than we do with the panel

2021
01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:47,280
interviews so you have a chance to uh to

2022
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:49,920
really talk with the candidates and then

2023
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:52,920
finally uh on Friday September 15th we

2024
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:55,320
have the deliberation and so we hope

2025
01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:57,840
that you have that on your calendar as

2026
01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:00,280
well Friday date night

2027
01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:02,800
really date morning yeah it's the

2028
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:05,560
morning to the morning to the morning

2029
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:09,159
meeting yeah

2030
01:30:09,159 --> 01:30:11,719
that it's on

2031
01:30:11,719 --> 01:30:14,000
your it

2032
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:16,360
saying this to

2033
01:30:16,360 --> 01:30:20,840
us I'm sorry counsel is it this says 3

2034
01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:24,520
P.M Friday 15 is it is it where does it

2035
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:27,040
say that c well I just have a on my

2036
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:28,880
calendar M

2037
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:32,119
says for

2038
01:30:32,119 --> 01:30:35,199
okay it should be in the morning okay

2039
01:30:35,199 --> 01:30:38,990
yeah what we'll do during

2040
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:41,400
that Thursday is a big chunk of the day

2041
01:30:41,400 --> 01:30:43,960
because we have to do all the yeah all

2042
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:46,119
the Thursday is a killer yeah we do an

2043
01:30:46,119 --> 01:30:48,080
hour and a half interviews so you know

2044
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:49,880
that's six hours if you have four

2045
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:54,920
candidates six hours of interviews so um

2046
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:57,760
going back to the deliberations uh that

2047
01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:03,239
Friday morning um we will download uh

2048
01:31:03,239 --> 01:31:05,400
your perceptions from your interviews we

2049
01:31:05,400 --> 01:31:07,719
will then share with you all the

2050
01:31:07,719 --> 01:31:10,199
feedback that came back from uh the

2051
01:31:10,199 --> 01:31:12,480
references from the background checks

2052
01:31:12,480 --> 01:31:15,159
from the panels from the community or

2053
01:31:15,159 --> 01:31:16,400
from both

2054
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:20,119
receptions um and after that um we

2055
01:31:20,119 --> 01:31:23,520
facilitated your deliberative process

2056
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:27,560
and um at that point uh if you have

2057
01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:30,840
chosen the candidate to move forward uh

2058
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:32,719
what we do is I'll step out of the room

2059
01:31:32,719 --> 01:31:34,320
I'll call that candidate make sure

2060
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:36,239
they're going to say

2061
01:31:36,239 --> 01:31:39,920
yes and uh come back into executive

2062
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:42,639
session let you know and I've only had

2063
01:31:42,639 --> 01:31:48,390
one person say no ever but um

2064
01:31:48,390 --> 01:31:50,040
[Music]

2065
01:31:50,040 --> 01:31:54,119
and number two so yeah I mean in the the

2066
01:31:54,119 --> 01:31:55,679
case of the person said no they they

2067
01:31:55,679 --> 01:31:57,639
then moved on to number two on their

2068
01:31:57,639 --> 01:32:02,719
list um but uh we'll come back in to you

2069
01:32:02,719 --> 01:32:05,000
and you come out of executive session

2070
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:07,119
and you have the opportunity then to

2071
01:32:07,119 --> 01:32:10,159
announce who the selected candidate is

2072
01:32:10,159 --> 01:32:12,440
and all that's happening on Friday yes

2073
01:32:12,440 --> 01:32:14,280
okay does that mean we'll have a regular

2074
01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:17,040
Council session on Friday yeah at a

2075
01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:19,040
undetermined time after the executive

2076
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:20,719
session concludes so it's a little how

2077
01:32:20,719 --> 01:32:22,360
do you how do you announce

2078
01:32:22,360 --> 01:32:25,560
that the timing thought you had time is

2079
01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:27,600
it a Time certain well we yeah what we

2080
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:31,679
do is say it will be no no sooner than

2081
01:32:31,679 --> 01:32:34,480
no sooner than sure yeah but but

2082
01:32:34,480 --> 01:32:36,119
following the executive very short

2083
01:32:36,119 --> 01:32:39,199
meeting yeah so are we having a Monday

2084
01:32:39,199 --> 01:32:41,239
meeting too on the

2085
01:32:41,239 --> 01:32:44,840
18th no we're gonna live here it's on my

2086
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:48,950
cter I'm just curious I move that we

2087
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:51,520
don't trying to go camping after that so

2088
01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:54,880
I'm trying to figure out we we'll we'll

2089
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:56,639
talk with the mayor about the agenda all

2090
01:32:56,639 --> 01:33:00,040
right question and um there's some

2091
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:02,080
biasness in my question here so I'll try

2092
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:03,920
not to put it out there describe very

2093
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:05,560
quickly the

2094
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:08,920
community reception meeting is it what's

2095
01:33:08,920 --> 01:33:10,239
the invitation look

2096
01:33:10,239 --> 01:33:14,159
like so we rely on on you folks we will

2097
01:33:14,159 --> 01:33:16,600
give you an invite to advertise it to

2098
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:18,880
the community and we rely on you folks

2099
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:20,920
to get the word out through your

2100
01:33:20,920 --> 01:33:25,199
networks um and and then it's it's

2101
01:33:25,199 --> 01:33:28,480
whoever comes now what we do is we treat

2102
01:33:28,480 --> 01:33:32,480
it like speed dating so we have we

2103
01:33:32,480 --> 01:33:35,639
divide the the groups up we divide the

2104
01:33:35,639 --> 01:33:38,239
audience up into however many candidates

2105
01:33:38,239 --> 01:33:39,560
there are so if there're four we have

2106
01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:42,600
four different tables and then we rotate

2107
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:45,600
the candidates between them in 15 or 20

2108
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:47,239
minute intervals so everybody has a

2109
01:33:47,239 --> 01:33:50,719
chance to meet and talk with them um and

2110
01:33:50,719 --> 01:33:52,480
then when they leave they have an

2111
01:33:52,480 --> 01:33:54,639
opportunity to fill out survey either on

2112
01:33:54,639 --> 01:33:56,960
paper we we have a QR code too that we

2113
01:33:56,960 --> 01:33:59,159
use so they can just do a QR code and

2114
01:33:59,159 --> 01:34:01,000
fill it

2115
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:05,870
out left or right

2116
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:10,199
thing all right any any other

2117
01:34:10,199 --> 01:34:14,320
questions so um is I know we've got the

2118
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:17,560
um session coming up here right to adopt

2119
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:19,800
this stuff right and then in between

2120
01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:21,679
that and that week of the 11th is there

2121
01:34:21,679 --> 01:34:24,199
any other did I

2122
01:34:24,199 --> 01:34:27,080
there's any other required attendance

2123
01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:28,520
from

2124
01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:30,960
us uh we will have an executive session

2125
01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:32,880
on August 21st to determine the

2126
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:35,080
finalists

2127
01:34:35,080 --> 01:34:38,440
okay and we we will keep you informed

2128
01:34:38,440 --> 01:34:41,480
through Jeff and Angie um as to how

2129
01:34:41,480 --> 01:34:44,560
things are going so and I just want make

2130
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:47,280
sure you're I you know I just hear about

2131
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:49,719
these you know people that got hired and

2132
01:34:49,719 --> 01:34:54,080
afterwards they you know find out

2133
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:56,280
horrible things that any Google search

2134
01:34:56,280 --> 01:34:57,199
would

2135
01:34:57,199 --> 01:35:00,560
have it says I know I when we hired you

2136
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:02,880
it said that you guys do all that yes

2137
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:05,159
before before we do the zoom interviews

2138
01:35:05,159 --> 01:35:07,159
we do a Google search on anything that's

2139
01:35:07,159 --> 01:35:08,040
work

2140
01:35:08,040 --> 01:35:11,719
rated um so that it so if they haven't

2141
01:35:11,719 --> 01:35:13,119
brought it up in their application we

2142
01:35:13,119 --> 01:35:16,040
have a chance to ask them about it okay

2143
01:35:16,040 --> 01:35:19,199
so we want to make sure to give them a a

2144
01:35:19,199 --> 01:35:23,800
fair opportunity to share their site

2145
01:35:23,800 --> 01:35:24,800
so they look into

2146
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:27,000
[Music]

2147
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:29,679
our all right I I have one other item

2148
01:35:29,679 --> 01:35:31,840
I'd like to address with you and that

2149
01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:33,840
has to do with the salary

2150
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:39,280
range um and so first of all um what

2151
01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:41,520
we're looking uh for in this salary

2152
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:42,960
range is to

2153
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:48,159
have to have one that that sort of gets

2154
01:35:48,159 --> 01:35:50,080
at the core skills and experience that

2155
01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:51,400
you're looking for that's hitting the

2156
01:35:51,400 --> 01:35:54,400
mark in terms of those C that level of

2157
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:57,520
candidate can you start with what does

2158
01:35:57,520 --> 01:35:59,040
Jordan

2159
01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:04,880
make I can yeah just yeah no so and I

2160
01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:06,239
think it's important to account for the

2161
01:36:06,239 --> 01:36:07,600
cost of living adjustment that was

2162
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:10,040
included in the budget that you all just

2163
01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:13,199
adopted so accounting for that uh we

2164
01:36:13,199 --> 01:36:15,000
budgeted for the city

2165
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:18,239
manager to make

2166
01:36:18,239 --> 01:36:20,719
$163,000 uh in the upcoming year

2167
01:36:20,719 --> 01:36:23,920
starting July 1 for contacts includ

2168
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:26,360
little things like the car telephone

2169
01:36:26,360 --> 01:36:27,840
that's just gross that's other stuff I

2170
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:30,400
believe that's just salary um it may

2171
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:34,000
include the budget Jordan didn't take uh

2172
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:36,159
benefits so there would be some

2173
01:36:36,159 --> 01:36:37,679
additional it doesn't include health

2174
01:36:37,679 --> 01:36:39,840
insurance it doesn't that's

2175
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:43,639
just but it doesn't include car phone

2176
01:36:43,639 --> 01:36:45,520
some of the other things that we expect

2177
01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:47,320
them to be gone

2178
01:36:47,320 --> 01:36:50,679
on I believe it's

2179
01:36:50,679 --> 01:36:52,960
just Jeff do you know how that Stacks up

2180
01:36:52,960 --> 01:36:54,320
against Maybe

2181
01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:57,040
five or seven like City sizes I think ER

2182
01:36:57,040 --> 01:36:58,960
er's about to discuss that actually yeah

2183
01:36:58,960 --> 01:37:00,880
he's gonna hand you a piece of paper so

2184
01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:02,679
Jeff can you answer though how much the

2185
01:37:02,679 --> 01:37:04,440
we'll call it the perks or the benefits

2186
01:37:04,440 --> 01:37:05,320
or

2187
01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:09,040
the 450 is the car allowance and 60 is

2188
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:11,440
the data alls thank

2189
01:37:11,440 --> 01:37:13,639
you do you have kind of a cost of

2190
01:37:13,639 --> 01:37:15,600
government of the whole

2191
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:18,520
position whole not out of my brain at

2192
01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:20,800
the moment but I can provide that now

2193
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:22,360
their health insurance and all of that

2194
01:37:22,360 --> 01:37:24,520
is no different you go full family it's

2195
01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:26,440
about 2,000 cost of the city the

2196
01:37:26,440 --> 01:37:29,159
employee will pick up 10% of that cost

2197
01:37:29,159 --> 01:37:32,119
so the same as all the other city

2198
01:37:32,119 --> 01:37:33,800
employees

2199
01:37:33,800 --> 01:37:37,520
okay um so I I'm gonna hand this out and

2200
01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:40,000
that we have 10 comparable cities that

2201
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:43,400
we looked at we averaged them out um I

2202
01:37:43,400 --> 01:37:46,920
also threw in um some recent recruitment

2203
01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:49,360
ranges from recruitments that we've done

2204
01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:52,280
in the last year um so you can see what

2205
01:37:52,280 --> 01:37:54,800
other cities were offering in terms of a

2206
01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:57,040
range um and then we have a

2207
01:37:57,040 --> 01:37:59,800
recommendation but I'd like to just kind

2208
01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:04,320
of set a little context here um so we've

2209
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:06,360
been in a situation the last two three

2210
01:38:06,360 --> 01:38:08,320
years where the Market's uh been

2211
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:11,560
saturated with opportunities and during

2212
01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:14,400
the pandemic we really saw a smaller

2213
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:17,520
group of pool of candidates come forward

2214
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:20,760
um where we used to get 30 40

2215
01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:23,520
applications um we were starting to get

2216
01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:25,520
more along the lines of

2217
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:31,400
10 um that that has started to change

2218
01:38:31,400 --> 01:38:33,880
and the last one we did we I believe we

2219
01:38:33,880 --> 01:38:37,040
had 25 applications uh on on the last

2220
01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:39,400
city manager recruitment that we

2221
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:42,480
did it was a very deep

2222
01:38:42,480 --> 01:38:45,440
bench um and I is that a small City on

2223
01:38:45,440 --> 01:38:47,520
the other side of the mountain it might

2224
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:48,480
have been on the other side of the

2225
01:38:48,480 --> 01:38:50,920
mountain

2226
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:53,440
yes um they had some very compe

2227
01:38:53,440 --> 01:38:55,080
comptitive

2228
01:38:55,080 --> 01:39:00,109
candidates yeah I don't

2229
01:39:00,119 --> 01:39:04,199
know so um you know we're also facing a

2230
01:39:04,199 --> 01:39:05,800
situation with the housing market where

2231
01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:09,520
most cities are um are seeing a rise in

2232
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:12,719
in housing and so it makes it more

2233
01:39:12,719 --> 01:39:14,679
difficult for candidates who might be

2234
01:39:14,679 --> 01:39:16,840
coming from a smaller city where the

2235
01:39:16,840 --> 01:39:19,360
where the housing is cheaper to be able

2236
01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:22,440
to move to a city where it's more

2237
01:39:22,440 --> 01:39:23,960
expensive

2238
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:26,599
um we've also seen inflation happening

2239
01:39:26,599 --> 01:39:29,080
right now and that's impacting uh

2240
01:39:29,080 --> 01:39:32,000
salaries as well as um we're finding

2241
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:34,599
that candidates are being more selective

2242
01:39:34,599 --> 01:39:36,199
uh because they can

2243
01:39:36,199 --> 01:39:42,199
be um and so you know it still is uh

2244
01:39:42,199 --> 01:39:44,199
we'll see how things go but it's still a

2245
01:39:44,199 --> 01:39:46,360
candidate's market at the moment we may

2246
01:39:46,360 --> 01:39:52,800
be seeing a pivot here um but uh it it's

2247
01:39:52,800 --> 01:39:55,440
such that we have seen candidates drop

2248
01:39:55,440 --> 01:39:56,960
out of the finalist

2249
01:39:56,960 --> 01:40:01,159
process along the way too so so as

2250
01:40:01,159 --> 01:40:02,880
you're getting ready to put that out

2251
01:40:02,880 --> 01:40:05,199
what does a range mean I mean I

2252
01:40:05,199 --> 01:40:06,239
understand what a range means in the

2253
01:40:06,239 --> 01:40:08,199
private sector what does a range mean

2254
01:40:08,199 --> 01:40:10,560
for these kinds of

2255
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:12,920
posters what determines where they land

2256
01:40:12,920 --> 01:40:15,840
within the range well that is uh first

2257
01:40:15,840 --> 01:40:18,639
of all that's your discretion um but

2258
01:40:18,639 --> 01:40:21,199
generally speaking the more experience

2259
01:40:21,199 --> 01:40:23,840
and the more check boxes that they've

2260
01:40:23,840 --> 01:40:26,320
checked off on your attributes list okay

2261
01:40:26,320 --> 01:40:29,080
should bring them any other private

2262
01:40:29,080 --> 01:40:32,119
sector yeah we advertise it for range

2263
01:40:32,119 --> 01:40:33,599
and then we determin where they fit

2264
01:40:33,599 --> 01:40:37,400
within that yes I thought we negotiate a

2265
01:40:37,400 --> 01:40:39,280
little bit with Jordan there will be

2266
01:40:39,280 --> 01:40:41,159
negotiation there was with Jordan I'm

2267
01:40:41,159 --> 01:40:42,960
pretty sure that we ended up figuring

2268
01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:45,119
out because he wanted something and we

2269
01:40:45,119 --> 01:40:48,119
wanted something else yeah you know on

2270
01:40:48,119 --> 01:40:49,239
once you've made a selection there's

2271
01:40:49,239 --> 01:40:53,790
still a

2272
01:40:53,800 --> 01:40:57,840
hey stretch legs I did want to clarify

2273
01:40:57,840 --> 01:40:59,800
councelor exner I I was able to look it

2274
01:40:59,800 --> 01:41:03,639
up the number of 163 actually does

2275
01:41:03,639 --> 01:41:05,320
include the vehicle it doesn't include

2276
01:41:05,320 --> 01:41:06,760
any other but it does include the

2277
01:41:06,760 --> 01:41:09,320
vehicle does just say how long the city

2278
01:41:09,320 --> 01:41:10,920
manager been in those roles that have

2279
01:41:10,920 --> 01:41:13,920
that W so I'm assuming the City Works a

2280
01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:16,639
lot the state they go they have steps

2281
01:41:16,639 --> 01:41:18,880
that they move so it used to be so our

2282
01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:20,679
city manager used to be on our salary

2283
01:41:20,679 --> 01:41:21,920
schedule and it's not anymore it's a

2284
01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:26,229
contract so we have a

2285
01:41:26,239 --> 01:41:29,080
okay all right so what you have in front

2286
01:41:29,080 --> 01:41:31,599
of you uh there were 10 cities that we

2287
01:41:31,599 --> 01:41:34,080
we took a look at and these are current

2288
01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:37,320
salaries uh ston Malala Silverton

2289
01:41:37,320 --> 01:41:39,520
Cottage Grove Monmouth Gladstone

2290
01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:42,960
Cornelius the DS Troutdale and

2291
01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:46,599
Dallas um and the populations range uh

2292
01:41:46,599 --> 01:41:49,280
between uh 8,000 and

2293
01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:52,440
18,000 uh population and these are in

2294
01:41:52,440 --> 01:41:54,560
order of the size of the

2295
01:41:54,560 --> 01:41:56,560
population uh so you can see the

2296
01:41:56,560 --> 01:41:59,719
salaries there on the right hand side

2297
01:41:59,719 --> 01:42:03,000
and um you know the the lowest salary

2298
01:42:03,000 --> 01:42:07,000
being uh with Silverton at at 135 and

2299
01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:12,599
change 135,000 and change um the Sal the

2300
01:42:12,599 --> 01:42:16,679
highest salary being in Gladstone uh at

2301
01:42:16,679 --> 01:42:21,360
185,000 and change so that that's kind

2302
01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:24,840
of the range these salaries average out

2303
01:42:24,840 --> 01:42:26,960
to

2304
01:42:26,960 --> 01:42:29,560
154,000 uh actually I didn't realize we

2305
01:42:29,560 --> 01:42:32,560
put the sense in there but

2306
01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:38,679
uh 451 and 33 cents um so that's what

2307
01:42:38,679 --> 01:42:42,080
the average looks like the recent

2308
01:42:42,080 --> 01:42:45,520
recruitments that we've done sisters uh

2309
01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:47,199
had $ 120 to

2310
01:42:47,199 --> 01:42:51,920
$60,000 range with a population of 3,400

2311
01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:54,920
ston was 122 to

2312
01:42:54,920 --> 01:42:58,440
152,000 with a population of 88,200 and

2313
01:42:58,440 --> 01:43:04,320
some uh Fairview uh was 135 to 160

2314
01:43:04,320 --> 01:43:07,560
population over just over 10,000 and

2315
01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:11,760
Cornelius uh was 140 to

2316
01:43:11,760 --> 01:43:14,280
175,000 uh and their population is

2317
01:43:14,280 --> 01:43:20,679
14,000 and some so um looking looking at

2318
01:43:20,679 --> 01:43:22,840
what other cities have been doing uh

2319
01:43:22,840 --> 01:43:26,440
look looking at the average um and what

2320
01:43:26,440 --> 01:43:29,560
you're looking for our recommendation is

2321
01:43:29,560 --> 01:43:32,800
that you go out with 140 to

2322
01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:38,199
170,000 as your as your range why not

2323
01:43:38,199 --> 01:43:42,679
175 you can I mean log for not being the

2324
01:43:42,679 --> 01:43:45,800
top dog out there what is

2325
01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:48,400
it um well we wanted to make sure that

2326
01:43:48,400 --> 01:43:51,320
we were uh being within your your

2327
01:43:51,320 --> 01:43:54,520
budgetary means now

2328
01:43:54,520 --> 01:43:58,520
um so I I guess I would have to defer to

2329
01:43:58,520 --> 01:44:01,599
you on that obviously the higher you

2330
01:44:01,599 --> 01:44:04,560
go the more qualified candidates

2331
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:08,000
theoretically will apply yeah right and

2332
01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:10,199
and sorry does this the salary we're

2333
01:44:10,199 --> 01:44:12,760
talking about include the the car thing

2334
01:44:12,760 --> 01:44:16,400
or not that's a negotiation Point some

2335
01:44:16,400 --> 01:44:17,520
some of this is subject to how you

2336
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:18,920
negotiate I think people are going to

2337
01:44:18,920 --> 01:44:21,320
interpret this as Bas sub right I agree

2338
01:44:21,320 --> 01:44:23,679
with that I agree with that

2339
01:44:23,679 --> 01:44:29,480
so so one one concern I I have maybe is

2340
01:44:29,480 --> 01:44:31,760
having just gone through the interum

2341
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:34,159
city manager

2342
01:44:34,159 --> 01:44:37,560
negotiation uh with Tyler and so I I

2343
01:44:37,560 --> 01:44:39,239
have a little bit of a feeling for what

2344
01:44:39,239 --> 01:44:41,840
the assistants and and and folks that

2345
01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:44,679
are direct reports are making I mean

2346
01:44:44,679 --> 01:44:46,880
wouldn't we possibly be in a situation

2347
01:44:46,880 --> 01:44:48,840
where we'd be hiring a city manager

2348
01:44:48,840 --> 01:44:50,679
that's making less than their direct

2349
01:44:50,679 --> 01:44:54,599
reports under this salary range

2350
01:44:54,599 --> 01:44:57,599
we should not be so our direct reports

2351
01:44:57,599 --> 01:45:00,800
will be under this amount at the

2352
01:45:00,800 --> 01:45:04,679
low yes so we're we're okay there

2353
01:45:04,679 --> 01:45:07,719
mayor okay okay well somebody was

2354
01:45:07,719 --> 01:45:10,320
mentioning 175 and you know the car

2355
01:45:10,320 --> 01:45:13,119
allowances ends up to be almost $5,000 a

2356
01:45:13,119 --> 01:45:16,280
year so going with 170 and then having

2357
01:45:16,280 --> 01:45:18,400
another five my point is when you

2358
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:23,520
advertise this if if you have a 17 it

2359
01:45:23,520 --> 01:45:26,280
looks more attractive than a 170 that

2360
01:45:26,280 --> 01:45:29,159
doesn't mean that we won't offer 140 for

2361
01:45:29,159 --> 01:45:30,639
the car allowance depending on their

2362
01:45:30,639 --> 01:45:32,400
qualifications

2363
01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:35,679
but it's I I I think we should be

2364
01:45:35,679 --> 01:45:38,440
competitive with a Cornelius that's or

2365
01:45:38,440 --> 01:45:41,159
whoever else goes out you know at the

2366
01:45:41,159 --> 01:45:43,480
same time as or the Troutdale city

2367
01:45:43,480 --> 01:45:45,840
manager well that's exactly right I

2368
01:45:45,840 --> 01:45:47,800
don't want any I don't want anyone not

2369
01:45:47,800 --> 01:45:49,880
applying because of the high-end part of

2370
01:45:49,880 --> 01:45:52,400
that salary is kind of where I'm at I I

2371
01:45:52,400 --> 01:45:54,119
I want someone who thinks that they

2372
01:45:54,119 --> 01:45:56,719
deserve more than that to consider

2373
01:45:56,719 --> 01:45:59,520
applying for this position and we are

2374
01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:02,639
growing we're definitely would be

2375
01:46:02,639 --> 01:46:05,599
wanting to give this person this

2376
01:46:05,599 --> 01:46:08,119
person's really good raises as to go

2377
01:46:08,119 --> 01:46:11,000
along did Jordan I would expect us to

2378
01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:13,199
think the same kind of respects so I

2379
01:46:13,199 --> 01:46:14,840
guess I'm in favor of

2380
01:46:14,840 --> 01:46:18,040
175 Angie how does the do these work

2381
01:46:18,040 --> 01:46:21,280
like normal

2382
01:46:21,280 --> 01:46:23,560
civil normal City jobs where there's

2383
01:46:23,560 --> 01:46:25,280
like you bump up at you know a certain

2384
01:46:25,280 --> 01:46:27,760
percentage or anything like that no so

2385
01:46:27,760 --> 01:46:29,280
all your directors are they're all on

2386
01:46:29,280 --> 01:46:30,880
the salary schedule and they'll max out

2387
01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:33,639
at you know range seven um but this is a

2388
01:46:33,639 --> 01:46:35,880
contract position so you guys can set

2389
01:46:35,880 --> 01:46:38,280
the salary with what you want um my

2390
01:46:38,280 --> 01:46:39,880
understanding right now with budget wise

2391
01:46:39,880 --> 01:46:42,719
like pretty much anything over 165 170

2392
01:46:42,719 --> 01:46:44,239
there's going to have to be a budget

2393
01:46:44,239 --> 01:46:47,560
adjustment so I guess my question is you

2394
01:46:47,560 --> 01:46:50,400
bring you bring you bring somebody in at

2395
01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:54,440
160 right is there is is there a a

2396
01:46:54,440 --> 01:46:56,599
process to get them to 175 or is that

2397
01:46:56,599 --> 01:46:58,480
something that we continue to negotiate

2398
01:46:58,480 --> 01:47:00,920
so how we had Jordans is that as we do a

2399
01:47:00,920 --> 01:47:02,599
cost of living that city manager also

2400
01:47:02,599 --> 01:47:04,560
gets cost of living increase so they'll

2401
01:47:04,560 --> 01:47:06,239
get that bump and then you do have

2402
01:47:06,239 --> 01:47:08,920
negotiability in regards to how you say

2403
01:47:08,920 --> 01:47:10,280
somebody may say I don't want the car

2404
01:47:10,280 --> 01:47:13,480
allowance I would prefer to have this or

2405
01:47:13,480 --> 01:47:15,320
you you have some ability to do some

2406
01:47:15,320 --> 01:47:18,719
negotiation there um but I don't know if

2407
01:47:18,719 --> 01:47:21,040
I'm answering your question no just I'm

2408
01:47:21,040 --> 01:47:23,199
wondering how we how we get from 16 to

2409
01:47:23,199 --> 01:47:25,679
the top end is that is that a set like

2410
01:47:25,679 --> 01:47:27,599
three and a half% a year on top of your

2411
01:47:27,599 --> 01:47:30,239
Cola or is that is that is that

2412
01:47:30,239 --> 01:47:31,800
something that we negotiate every year

2413
01:47:31,800 --> 01:47:33,880
when we do their their evaluation what

2414
01:47:33,880 --> 01:47:35,560
does that look like there you go that's

2415
01:47:35,560 --> 01:47:37,840
it it's the evaluation typically a city

2416
01:47:37,840 --> 01:47:40,000
manager applicant will that'll be an

2417
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:41,520
important part of the they'll say I want

2418
01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:43,400
an annual review and that'll be an

2419
01:47:43,400 --> 01:47:46,040
opportunity to discuss but this range

2420
01:47:46,040 --> 01:47:49,080
doesn't limit what those RWS go this is

2421
01:47:49,080 --> 01:47:50,679
just this is the initial

2422
01:47:50,679 --> 01:47:53,080
initial it's not like a government pay

2423
01:47:53,080 --> 01:47:54,719
where that is the max you'll ever get to

2424
01:47:54,719 --> 01:47:56,520
while you're a grade 14 or whatever it's

2425
01:47:56,520 --> 01:47:58,199
a contract employee it's different I'm

2426
01:47:58,199 --> 01:47:59,760
assuming we could start at 140 if you

2427
01:47:59,760 --> 01:48:02,599
wanted to negotiate yes you could but

2428
01:48:02,599 --> 01:48:04,960
that's the same go ahead I'm in favor

2429
01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:07,960
175 at least there's a part of me that's

2430
01:48:07,960 --> 01:48:10,599
even wondering about 1 so I have a

2431
01:48:10,599 --> 01:48:13,840
question on that um so and I don't know

2432
01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:16,920
how I'd like to get some insights on how

2433
01:48:16,920 --> 01:48:19,440
with with Jordan but you know if you say

2434
01:48:19,440 --> 01:48:20,520
top is

2435
01:48:20,520 --> 01:48:24,040
175 and then you pick person you know

2436
01:48:24,040 --> 01:48:26,360
can they say well you know I I want I

2437
01:48:26,360 --> 01:48:29,920
want 180 or whatever so I mean

2438
01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:33,760
does is 175 our top or or is that the

2439
01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:35,719
top where they the person the selected

2440
01:48:35,719 --> 01:48:37,000
person starts

2441
01:48:37,000 --> 01:48:38,840
negotiating how did that work with

2442
01:48:38,840 --> 01:48:40,360
Jordan I guess well it's different with

2443
01:48:40,360 --> 01:48:41,960
Jordan because we had him on the salary

2444
01:48:41,960 --> 01:48:43,880
schedule so when somebody's on the

2445
01:48:43,880 --> 01:48:45,719
salary schedule you can't go off you

2446
01:48:45,719 --> 01:48:47,280
can't go over the top of that salary

2447
01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:49,440
schedule so if 120 is the top that is

2448
01:48:49,440 --> 01:48:51,199
the top we can provide there's some

2449
01:48:51,199 --> 01:48:53,000
additionals like you can add the car

2450
01:48:53,000 --> 01:48:55,719
than or the data allowance in this

2451
01:48:55,719 --> 01:48:58,760
scenario um you have negotiability so

2452
01:48:58,760 --> 01:49:01,239
you really don't have a to what you put

2453
01:49:01,239 --> 01:49:03,639
a range down you are trying to say to

2454
01:49:03,639 --> 01:49:05,400
the candidate this is the top of the

2455
01:49:05,400 --> 01:49:06,920
range we're not going to go above that

2456
01:49:06,920 --> 01:49:09,440
and the reason for that is based off

2457
01:49:09,440 --> 01:49:11,199
what you have as your attributes and

2458
01:49:11,199 --> 01:49:13,400
what you are requiring of this candidate

2459
01:49:13,400 --> 01:49:15,760
you are saying this position is worth

2460
01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:19,080
this salary so you want a range for

2461
01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:22,239
negotiability but you also don't want to

2462
01:49:22,239 --> 01:49:25,920
not have have a top to also say this is

2463
01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:29,599
what this physician can pay for um

2464
01:49:29,599 --> 01:49:31,800
that's where it gets a little bit like

2465
01:49:31,800 --> 01:49:34,199
you look at a trout or you look at um

2466
01:49:34,199 --> 01:49:36,119
let's say you're out in mou and you

2467
01:49:36,119 --> 01:49:37,639
can't find a candidate to go out there

2468
01:49:37,639 --> 01:49:39,960
they may pay more than say we are

2469
01:49:39,960 --> 01:49:41,719
because it's really difficult to get a

2470
01:49:41,719 --> 01:49:44,480
candidate to move out to M and stay so

2471
01:49:44,480 --> 01:49:46,960
sometimes you're also paying based off

2472
01:49:46,960 --> 01:49:50,520
location or difficulty in recruitment um

2473
01:49:50,520 --> 01:49:52,239
I actually think we will probably

2474
01:49:52,239 --> 01:49:54,599
believe a lot of candidates for this

2475
01:49:54,599 --> 01:49:57,960
position even if we go to 175 counselor

2476
01:49:57,960 --> 01:50:00,360
um you're going that's a good that's a

2477
01:50:00,360 --> 01:50:02,639
good healthy range but where do you so

2478
01:50:02,639 --> 01:50:04,960
with the negotiations then you know do

2479
01:50:04,960 --> 01:50:07,239
we start in the middle and and and then

2480
01:50:07,239 --> 01:50:09,320
we say well we since you only have you

2481
01:50:09,320 --> 01:50:11,679
know 10 years and not 20 years that's

2482
01:50:11,679 --> 01:50:13,920
why we're not going up to 175 or how

2483
01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:15,360
does all that so so welcome to

2484
01:50:15,360 --> 01:50:16,840
Recruitment and

2485
01:50:16,840 --> 01:50:20,320
to and to uh working on negotiations so

2486
01:50:20,320 --> 01:50:22,159
basically you take a look at the

2487
01:50:22,159 --> 01:50:23,840
candidates the top four and then you

2488
01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:26,840
interview and as Eric said earlier in

2489
01:50:26,840 --> 01:50:28,199
essence you're going to say this

2490
01:50:28,199 --> 01:50:30,280
candidate is coming to us highly

2491
01:50:30,280 --> 01:50:32,280
qualified then you know you're probably

2492
01:50:32,280 --> 01:50:34,800
going to need to put out an offer that's

2493
01:50:34,800 --> 01:50:37,000
quantifying to that experience if you

2494
01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:38,920
have somebody coming in that maybe

2495
01:50:38,920 --> 01:50:40,400
doesn't have the same thing and we know

2496
01:50:40,400 --> 01:50:41,480
that they're going to be on a learning

2497
01:50:41,480 --> 01:50:43,360
curve here here and here then we're

2498
01:50:43,360 --> 01:50:44,880
going to say all right you're probably

2499
01:50:44,880 --> 01:50:47,599
going to start lower on that range and

2500
01:50:47,599 --> 01:50:49,520
then we're going to work it up you also

2501
01:50:49,520 --> 01:50:51,880
have the flexibility to say in a year

2502
01:50:51,880 --> 01:50:53,800
we're going to re evaluate and at that

2503
01:50:53,800 --> 01:50:55,639
point we're going to give you a $5,000

2504
01:50:55,639 --> 01:50:57,840
bom so you guys have some flexibility on

2505
01:50:57,840 --> 01:51:00,000
what we work on it's going to be based

2506
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:01,560
off the candidate that sits in front of

2507
01:51:01,560 --> 01:51:03,679
you and what they're bringing to the

2508
01:51:03,679 --> 01:51:07,560
table I don't know if that okay so I'm

2509
01:51:07,560 --> 01:51:10,400
also looking at your list of prices here

2510
01:51:10,400 --> 01:51:13,560
on different city managers in and around

2511
01:51:13,560 --> 01:51:15,199
us I

2512
01:51:15,199 --> 01:51:17,440
see there's a lot of them that would be

2513
01:51:17,440 --> 01:51:20,199
getting a raise assuming that they were

2514
01:51:20,199 --> 01:51:21,960
highly skilled and I have to know a

2515
01:51:21,960 --> 01:51:25,320
couple or three of the these um I I like

2516
01:51:25,320 --> 01:51:27,199
being able to say to some of these local

2517
01:51:27,199 --> 01:51:31,239
folks you know might get a raise if you

2518
01:51:31,239 --> 01:51:36,520
so to me I think up the the annual

2519
01:51:36,520 --> 01:51:38,840
amount I think is

2520
01:51:38,840 --> 01:51:40,840
important I stretch her even further

2521
01:51:40,840 --> 01:51:42,320
because I looked at the same thing Carl

2522
01:51:42,320 --> 01:51:44,320
I said look at State and

2523
01:51:44,320 --> 01:51:47,000
Malala and sub these are cities all

2524
01:51:47,000 --> 01:51:49,679
under 10 say 10,000 or less we're bigger

2525
01:51:49,679 --> 01:51:53,119
than them they're 135 to 149

2526
01:51:53,119 --> 01:51:55,360
why shouldn't our minimum be 150 and

2527
01:51:55,360 --> 01:51:57,079
then why can't our top be

2528
01:51:57,079 --> 01:52:00,040
180 because that's a range and if you're

2529
01:52:00,040 --> 01:52:01,719
starting at 150 you're beating all your

2530
01:52:01,719 --> 01:52:03,560
small cities that are underpopulated for

2531
01:52:03,560 --> 01:52:05,159
us so you're going to get one of those

2532
01:52:05,159 --> 01:52:06,320
city managers or somebody with

2533
01:52:06,320 --> 01:52:07,880
experience coming to us that's going to

2534
01:52:07,880 --> 01:52:09,679
have upward mobility and then if you

2535
01:52:09,679 --> 01:52:12,520
have somebody in in a larger City like a

2536
01:52:12,520 --> 01:52:14,440
like it says here like a a trale for

2537
01:52:14,440 --> 01:52:16,360
instance who's 177,000 I'm not

2538
01:52:16,360 --> 01:52:17,840
advocating for those managers at all in

2539
01:52:17,840 --> 01:52:20,119
the same positions that that's not going

2540
01:52:20,119 --> 01:52:21,440
to be a far stretch for them to come to

2541
01:52:21,440 --> 01:52:23,400
Sandy and make the same amount of money

2542
01:52:23,400 --> 01:52:25,159
which is a smaller town so I I like the

2543
01:52:25,159 --> 01:52:28,000
150 to 180 range myself so let's

2544
01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:30,760
consider a hypothetical example of an

2545
01:52:30,760 --> 01:52:33,920
assistant um city manager who's making I

2546
01:52:33,920 --> 01:52:35,400
don't know what's our last contract with

2547
01:52:35,400 --> 01:52:38,800
our Deputy with our acting our acting

2548
01:52:38,800 --> 01:52:41,920
that R for me manager let me do some

2549
01:52:41,920 --> 01:52:44,119
quick MTH yeah because that he would be

2550
01:52:44,119 --> 01:52:47,040
representative of a candidate coming in

2551
01:52:47,040 --> 01:52:50,040
who hadn't been in the top seat but

2552
01:52:50,040 --> 01:52:53,440
maybe was reasonably qualified right

2553
01:52:53,440 --> 01:52:56,800
so how big of a bump do you want you

2554
01:52:56,800 --> 01:52:58,400
don't want to make it too big you know

2555
01:52:58,400 --> 01:53:00,199
you want nice like on the old schedule

2556
01:53:00,199 --> 01:53:02,880
there' be a step one coming in right so

2557
01:53:02,880 --> 01:53:05,719
what's that where where they ATS but the

2558
01:53:05,719 --> 01:53:07,280
numbers don't say this is what we have

2559
01:53:07,280 --> 01:53:10,119
to it's just what we are thinking about

2560
01:53:10,119 --> 01:53:12,800
and I guess to Angie's point it could be

2561
01:53:12,800 --> 01:53:17,199
140 if we said 150 to 180 for example or

2562
01:53:17,199 --> 01:53:20,480
185 if we get to that kind of C it's

2563
01:53:20,480 --> 01:53:23,000
quite the welcoming package though

2564
01:53:23,000 --> 01:53:25,440
last in the bottom tier of the range you

2565
01:53:25,440 --> 01:53:28,199
posted sure I agree with you face it

2566
01:53:28,199 --> 01:53:30,239
you're going to start mid level

2567
01:53:30,239 --> 01:53:32,159
absolutely I mean that's where you're

2568
01:53:32,159 --> 01:53:33,719
that's where most that's where most of

2569
01:53:33,719 --> 01:53:35,520
this is gonna start and I will point out

2570
01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:37,560
Jordan's you know if if that included

2571
01:53:37,560 --> 01:53:39,679
the car stuff his you know actual salary

2572
01:53:39,679 --> 01:53:40,719
was like

2573
01:53:40,719 --> 01:53:44,159
158 his actual salary if you well I mean

2574
01:53:44,159 --> 01:53:47,280
so I did the math here it at 163 if you

2575
01:53:47,280 --> 01:53:50,119
just add the data would be 163

2576
01:53:50,119 --> 01:53:53,239
720 but the car allowance is like they

2577
01:53:53,239 --> 01:53:55,280
said that was included in that number

2578
01:53:55,280 --> 01:53:57,560
right and that's with the that's with

2579
01:53:57,560 --> 01:53:59,920
the increase with the cola right right

2580
01:53:59,920 --> 01:54:02,199
okay and so his actual salary was like

2581
01:54:02,199 --> 01:54:05,119
158 which is what this is that's why I

2582
01:54:05,119 --> 01:54:09,280
said our range our range doesn't include

2583
01:54:09,280 --> 01:54:11,360
right what we're talking about 175 that

2584
01:54:11,360 --> 01:54:13,639
doesn't include a cart thing right it's

2585
01:54:13,639 --> 01:54:15,320
just a starting St and so that's what

2586
01:54:15,320 --> 01:54:18,000
I'm saying that's you know I I mean I

2587
01:54:18,000 --> 01:54:20,520
guess if you want to go up to 175 I can

2588
01:54:20,520 --> 01:54:22,800
go along with that but I'm not we don't

2589
01:54:22,800 --> 01:54:25,040
have to have the car just because Jordan

2590
01:54:25,040 --> 01:54:29,510
had it doesn't mean

2591
01:54:29,520 --> 01:54:32,920
this coun I mean so I mean that's just a

2592
01:54:32,920 --> 01:54:33,639
way

2593
01:54:33,639 --> 01:54:36,480
to that was if I may you wrong that

2594
01:54:36,480 --> 01:54:38,360
seemed like just looking at it from a

2595
01:54:38,360 --> 01:54:39,679
different level it just seemed like kind

2596
01:54:39,679 --> 01:54:41,639
of like a way to circumvent the pay

2597
01:54:41,639 --> 01:54:45,960
scale you to there's different ways to

2598
01:54:45,960 --> 01:54:48,920
incentivize the P there we go thank you

2599
01:54:48,920 --> 01:54:51,239
so I mean but we're lump with doing this

2600
01:54:51,239 --> 01:54:52,920
we would just be kind of lumpy not in

2601
01:54:52,920 --> 01:54:55,159
there and we don't need that incate in

2602
01:54:55,159 --> 01:54:57,790
theory

2603
01:54:57,800 --> 01:55:00,520
anymore where I I guess I'd like to be

2604
01:55:00,520 --> 01:55:03,880
able to offer like after a year you know

2605
01:55:03,880 --> 01:55:05,040
because you never just know what you're

2606
01:55:05,040 --> 01:55:06,679
going to get and so I'd rather kind of

2607
01:55:06,679 --> 01:55:08,800
start one place and then say we're

2608
01:55:08,800 --> 01:55:10,679
looking at a you know a 10% you know a

2609
01:55:10,679 --> 01:55:13,239
cola plus what you know based on a

2610
01:55:13,239 --> 01:55:16,560
positive you know and you will I'm

2611
01:55:16,560 --> 01:55:18,400
assuming Eric that when we provide

2612
01:55:18,400 --> 01:55:20,239
profiles there's also going to be in

2613
01:55:20,239 --> 01:55:22,400
their salary requirements that the

2614
01:55:22,400 --> 01:55:24,320
candidat is also we're going to be made

2615
01:55:24,320 --> 01:55:26,280
aware of so a lot of this is a little

2616
01:55:26,280 --> 01:55:27,440
bit like the cart in front of their

2617
01:55:27,440 --> 01:55:30,400
horse that as we get closer this will be

2618
01:55:30,400 --> 01:55:33,599
an actual easier decision than it seems

2619
01:55:33,599 --> 01:55:40,669
right now yeah so

2620
01:55:40,679 --> 01:55:46,360
what council if I may um the the range

2621
01:55:46,360 --> 01:55:50,040
that you put out right now is really you

2622
01:55:50,040 --> 01:55:52,639
know how do you want to attract people

2623
01:55:52,639 --> 01:55:56,520
just to put their application in once

2624
01:55:56,520 --> 01:55:59,599
you've selected a candidate you have all

2625
01:55:59,599 --> 01:56:02,239
sorts of bells and whistles available to

2626
01:56:02,239 --> 01:56:05,239
you to put together a package whether

2627
01:56:05,239 --> 01:56:07,480
it's a car allowance or whether it's a

2628
01:56:07,480 --> 01:56:10,400
not of vacation time or whether it's uh

2629
01:56:10,400 --> 01:56:13,239
something else but that that happens

2630
01:56:13,239 --> 01:56:16,800
during the negotiation phase um and so I

2631
01:56:16,800 --> 01:56:18,400
I would encourage you to just think

2632
01:56:18,400 --> 01:56:21,639
about what is it that what's the range

2633
01:56:21,639 --> 01:56:23,079
that's going to get them to put the

2634
01:56:23,079 --> 01:56:24,719
application in and then you can worry

2635
01:56:24,719 --> 01:56:26,239
about the bells and whistles when you

2636
01:56:26,239 --> 01:56:29,599
get to the negotiations so this side of

2637
01:56:29,599 --> 01:56:31,800
the room was at

2638
01:56:31,800 --> 01:56:34,239
175 I'm actually with Chris I'm cool

2639
01:56:34,239 --> 01:56:38,880
with a one 150 to 180 that 150 to

2640
01:56:38,880 --> 01:56:42,520
180 I can live with that how about you

2641
01:56:42,520 --> 01:56:45,000
mayor yeah I'm good with

2642
01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:47,520
that

2643
01:56:47,520 --> 01:56:49,480
kle does

2644
01:56:49,480 --> 01:56:52,960
that put too big a jump

2645
01:56:52,960 --> 01:56:56,280
you 18 if you want to keep it at if you

2646
01:56:56,280 --> 01:56:59,560
want to keep it 140 to 180 let's keep it

2647
01:56:59,560 --> 01:57:01,239
let's keep it at the low inch just in

2648
01:57:01,239 --> 01:57:03,800
case we get somebody at the entry at

2649
01:57:03,800 --> 01:57:06,199
that entry level that probably won't

2650
01:57:06,199 --> 01:57:08,360
with if if we get that many candidates

2651
01:57:08,360 --> 01:57:10,920
but 180 is are actually GNA be you know

2652
01:57:10,920 --> 01:57:12,840
when you add all the other add-ons yeah

2653
01:57:12,840 --> 01:57:15,800
it's 140 to 180 at this point it's all

2654
01:57:15,800 --> 01:57:18,840
just bait just to get somebody jump at

2655
01:57:18,840 --> 01:57:21,840
that hook right yeah yeah this this is

2656
01:57:21,840 --> 01:57:23,520
not a Amendment this is just for

2657
01:57:23,520 --> 01:57:27,199
advertising purp 140 to 180 I mean if

2658
01:57:27,199 --> 01:57:28,239
that

2659
01:57:28,239 --> 01:57:32,239
Ian you good with that absolutely so I I

2660
01:57:32,239 --> 01:57:34,400
just want to I just want to confirm what

2661
01:57:34,400 --> 01:57:37,000
I think I just heard so you want 140 to

2662
01:57:37,000 --> 01:57:41,280
180 yeah okay very good that that's a

2663
01:57:41,280 --> 01:57:44,360
that is a good range um I will tell you

2664
01:57:44,360 --> 01:57:48,000
that I'm already getting phone calls um

2665
01:57:48,000 --> 01:57:51,520
in interest in this position so uh I I

2666
01:57:51,520 --> 01:57:53,079
think uh we're heading in the right

2667
01:57:53,079 --> 01:57:55,679
direction sweet well then let's move it

2668
01:57:55,679 --> 01:57:58,040
down to

2669
01:57:58,040 --> 01:58:04,470
120

2670
01:58:04,480 --> 01:58:08,669
Le we just

2671
01:58:08,679 --> 01:58:11,079
away the negotiations will be later

2672
01:58:11,079 --> 01:58:15,750
nobody this is the mayor anyway

2673
01:58:15,760 --> 01:58:17,280
so

2674
01:58:17,280 --> 01:58:19,719
I are we there anything else you had to

2675
01:58:19,719 --> 01:58:22,280
cover I we have everything we need be

2676
01:58:22,280 --> 01:58:24,719
able to move forward so okay mayor I

2677
01:58:24,719 --> 01:58:25,880
think that's everything if you have any

2678
01:58:25,880 --> 01:58:28,079
closing remarks no just thank you

2679
01:58:28,079 --> 01:58:31,000
everybody uh really exciting um I think

2680
01:58:31,000 --> 01:58:33,040
obviously we're all on the same page and

2681
01:58:33,040 --> 01:58:35,079
thank you for your presentation uh

2682
01:58:35,079 --> 01:58:37,719
really appreciated the work done so

2683
01:58:37,719 --> 01:58:40,400
far thank you all right I'll go ahead

2684
01:58:40,400 --> 01:58:41,920
and close the work session thank you

2685
01:58:41,920 --> 01:58:45,280
everybody you're going have