all our joint work session to order um Jeff will you please call the
RO it is that's F I'm happy too isn't it a joint work or are we not we didn't
label it that way oh okay our work session with a few invited guests who
happen to be our planning Commissioners uh je you please call the
RO sure uh c ma pres coun small here councel here here
c c hson mayor Pam here thank you for that Jeff um I'm gonna go through our
city council meeting agenda for tonight uh please throw out any questions or
changes uh for staff to address um so we don't have anyone
signed up yet for um public comment tonight um we do we will have a response
to a public comment for Mr Bill Lesley uh his last public comment that we'll be
addressing tonight on our consent agenda we have our city council meeting minutes
from our June 5th and June 12th meeting minutes we have an adoption of financial
sustainability plan and parks and uh for par plan for Parks and Recreation sandet
Advisory Board appointments request for street closures and exclusive use of
minic Park to the 2023 Mountain Festival loan authorization on drinking
water transmission line design contract Amendment for leeway engineering
Solutions on representative Services as well as the adoption of the city manager
recruitment position profile and hiring procedures under new business we have
three public hearings this evening one for a 2023 24 Master Fee and
charges uh public hearing for the revised moratorium raising limit on new
Wastewater connections and a public hearing to adopt our transportation
system plan we'll then wrap up our evening with a report from our city
manager and our committee and Council reports with that let's go ah and get
this work session going on our clear and objective code audit
yeah okay clear and objective code audit Tyler you want to get kick started yeah
I will just turn it over to Kelly really quick and let you introduce the
presenters that we have tonight and yeah um as you'll remember because uh the
city council was the one that decided to fund this project and and made it kind
of a goal moving forward to take a closer look at our code and make sure
it's clear and objective and make sure that different Master plans are properly
incorporated into the code um as you'll remember we were getting some challenges
from different land use applicants uh and their attorneys uh to highlight a
few shayle Meadows Bon Terrace I think they've used PD was in there as well um
so with that the city council decided to fund uh this project and we've been
working closely with uh Mig APG um and Kate and Kathy and
they've been a tremendous resource and just been doing a lot of the heavy
lifting and uh myself and a few of the planners that were here a few months ago
were assisting with that um and we've also been getting a tremendous amount of
support and uh kind of detailed analysis from our City attorney as well on some
of the heftier subjects that are kind of difficult to interpret or hard to
analyze for what we need to do with those different code sections so I want
to thank Josh for really being there and helping out a lot during this project um
and with that I'm going to turn it over to Kate and Kathy and let them kind of
introduce themselves again and go through the uh go through the slideshow
for the work session perfect thank you welcome thank you thank you for having
us here I'm Kev I'm a principal with mapg and I'm Kate Rogers I'm a senior
planner so we have a presentation tonight and uh
we will be of course if you do have questions uh feel free to interrupt us
we'll keep this informal and uh just wanted to give you you obviously
received a very large packet of information um and so this is intended
to be an overview of that and just kind of get the conversation started um so oh
and yes can you hear me okay better now right thank you um great so with that um
I'll take the first slide so our again the purpose of the
meeting is to um give you a very and again keeping this very high level uh
just a little bit on the maybe a reminder even on the project background
and purpose uh a status you know what we've accomplished so far uh and then a
high level overview of the public review draft that's the packet the large packet
you received and we had um as you noticed in your cover memo for that I
think there's some key issues decision points that we'd like to talk about and
then just very briefly next steps so with that next
slide so again on the next slide thank you sorry section break there so the
project purpose and you may recall this from a prior work session that the
primary project uh purpose has been to um implement or
19737 requirement that uh a government adopt and apply only clear and objective
standards conditions and procedures to the of housing now there are exceptions
to that for some historic districts um and there are also that does not
necessarily prude two track system so if you do offer a clear and objective track
you can also offer a flexible or discretionary track to the applicant but
the applicant has to be able to choose a clearing objective track for the
development of housing so that was the primary focus and and I guess the other
important thing and it's the last point on that slide is that those regulations
um should not cannot uh discourage needed housing through unreasonable cost
and delay um and so next slide as we went through the project as we've been
going along and working on it with staff um we were able to incorporate some
other amendments um that came about through changes recent changes to state
law and also um because the timing worked well to coincide with your
transportation system plan there are also amendments and updates um that came
out of that Pro process that are now included in this packet so we've been
able to sort of pull those in um as well as some minor changes and code clean up
that were either identified by City staff or the City attorney basically
whenever you crack open a code you're going to find some things like that and
I like well you know let's pick those up so um but I would say
99% of the Amendments that are in front in that packet in front of you as you're
reviewing that those are going to be to Address given obje
code issues I have a question I was gonna let it go it's gonna bug me all
night I don't ask it now um so for a while there be had plan developments
right it's at the right verbage and we decided not to do those
anymore um I'm just I'm fixating on her talking about the two tracks that you
have to give a developer at the very beginning I wasn't i' never really knew
about that or thought that through so like not that we have those available at
this time but could we potentially have a clear objective path and then like a
planned development path that would then kind of so I could see as a developer
maybe I'd want i' forgo the clear an objective so I could have the more of
the flexibility that comes with a plan development possibly but as a city I
might like that more now because with all the clear and objective stuff it
makes this over here maybe more appealing to us so you that's kind of a
move we that's one way to do it exactly right yeah I mean some jurisdictions do
um have like a like a plan development um approach uh others do it through
individual adjustments to the standards so for example um they'll say okay you
you have to meet all the standards if you don't want to meet any one of these
standards you request an adjustment to that standard different ways to provide
that second track either kind of on a point BYO basis or a more sweeping
approach so you'd have to really kind of incentivize that second track to get
somebody off of the cleared objective track probably right yeah it it will and
again that you know there's a balancing because how strict the clear and
objective tract is that flexible tract looks more or less appealing for the
individual developer right so there's some tradeoffs there thank you it just
was a concept I yeah so uh okay I
guess uh also just wanted to not like for example and this was um I think
something that come up as a prev you know area of Interest which is the
dark orn opportunity that as a part of this project so that
one let's see thank you oh um and then uh yeah thank you great so uh just
wanted to highlight what we've accomplished so far I mean obviously the
um major accomplishment was getting that huge packet of code amendments to you um
and um it's it's okay that door has to stay
slightly open
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Moment sorry about that oh no problem okay yeah it's fine okay yeah um so with
regard to the schedule you know we've been really busy as Kelly mentioned
working with staff City attorney working through these amendments we come through
multiple internal drafts trying to get them dialed in before they came to you
um and you know we've been doing other kinds of like uh Outreach amongst City
staff and so forth in different departments to make sure that the
Amendments made sense for everybody so that gets us here uh to with that draft
you um and you that's definitely a major Milestone um we'll be talking a little
bit about the next steps at the end but um we are here now in June obviously
with that this uh this is noted and the schedule is a um city council Planning
Commission work session in the grp a few planning
Commissioners um with that I'll just move
on um and the um thank you uh so the overview and Kate I'm gonna hand this I
think off to you to cover the questions just quickly noting for the overview
again it's huge package we realize that I mean it's a lot to go through most of
those changes um are what we would call policy neutral and when we say that you
know hear us say it a lot what we tried to do was how the outcome the same for
an applicant that would walk in the door today they were expecting a certain kind
of ability to develop uh a certain intensity and you know the height
setbacks the general amount type of development that they can do today that
while the rules as far as like maybe under go a discretionally processed to G
or standards are discretionary it's housing the rules are
clear and objective but the same general outcome is expected so that's what we're
trying we're not trying to necessarily this isn't an opportunity to radically
change the you know height set back the fundamentals of the zoning
it's it was intended to um just get the standards that you have
clear an objective so you may see things that you're like oh w could change that
this is this is not the project to do that because we really haven't sold it
to the community as that right we're trying to say this is trying to stay
true to what you have today and get a clear and objective so may see if things
that you want to revisit and that's okay we can note those but you know again
it'll be a decision with the council that we're not looking at policy changes
exactly exactly for the for the most for the most
part that's the caveat yeah exactly happens and you'll see that in the
questions that have when sometimes when you ask or when you try to convert
something to Cle objective stand you have to make a choice right and so there
are sometimes they're they're small and again we're trying to keep it as true to
policy mutal as you can not to make a policy change but there are choices that
sometimes have to be made and we'll talk about those choices um in some of the
important ones that are still um needing some you know would' like to
so with that yeah yeah than Kathy yeah can go to the next slide please um so
yeah I'm just G to talk through the we have eight kind of policy questions that
we have for you all that are where you all have um really decisions to make
about um potential changes and what what is allowed or what type of Standards
apply to um a certain type of housing a certain type of development that would
cause potentially different outcomes than what is um what would be allowed
and give current code so so so I'm sorry I just G have to ask a question real
quick sure because you know for example this this
is the first one but it's like um it like under the C1 Zone my
understanding or or the C3 zoning that multifamily uh was allowed on top of and
now we're saying it's doesn't have to be on top of and so what I see that
happening then is that basically you know you have a 10 acre commercial space
and eight acres is apartments and two acres might be something else and so
that's a huge change in what we're going to get as far as we want our commercial
to be commercial because we need commercial and instead we're going to be
flooded with Apartments so that is a huge policy change no that's that's
actually not so the C2 currently says housing has to be above the C3 General
commercial Village commercial as you remember with B run Terrace it
can be behind beside or above and so that's I think that's the policy
question they're getting to here on this slide but like C1 you didn't even allow
multif family no it's it's allowed right now on top yeah C1 uses roow houses D
it's a conditional it's a conditional use in the C1 Zone currently it's a
conditional use and we we can't have it be a conditional use any
longer so this is all pressured by the two rules 2001 and all the rest
right this is not something no you want to explain that Kathy yeah so again this
is this is um not necessarily related to midd housing right this is applying to
for example a multi family and so this is about having clear and objective
standards so the the challenge is so right now we have a housing type so
multi family housing that is not contained within a commercial building
so Standalone multif family is a conditional use in your C1 Zone and
it's a minor conditional use in C3 what state law tells us so we understand it
is that if you're going to allow a housing type at all you have to allow it
through a clear and objective track so it could be allowed
outright uh but it can't be the only way to get to the housing type can't be
through conditional use so you got a choice now you could
say well fine we're not going to allow it at all right or we're only going to
allow it above we're not going to allow it because again this is multif family
that is not contained within a commercial building so if it's
maintained within a commercial building that's different so the just so clarify
the condition right now is that it has to be on on top I mean it has to be part
of the commercial not the condition the the permitted outright use is that it
can be above there's another use listed in the C1 for standalone multip family
without commercial without commercial and we can't we either have to as K will
explain we either have to remove it from the code or we have to move that to a
permitted use which I doubt you'll want to do as a group okay I'm not seeing
multif family in the C1 except for a conditional use exactly that's what
that's what they're saying yeah so so we need to get rid of all the conditional
use is kind of what I'm understanding right right that can't be the only path
for Housing Development type of housing devel I just want to make sure but we
also have the option of not allowing it at all exactly yeah so that's the that's
the decision that's the direction we want for you all tonight and that's
that's actually what's recommended in the in the draft amendments in your
packet um yeah so it's a conditional use today stand when again we're talking
Standalone multi family it's a permitted use if it's part of a mixed use
development either above or beside or behind a commercial use um and so on the
next slide are kind of the three potential approaches to addressing this
section sorry put Z that's that's the map just to point out where those zones
are so the recommended option which is refed in the draft amendments in your
packet is to um to actually eliminate um Standalone multifam and conditional use
so basically would only be allowed in the C1 and C3 zones as part of a mixed
use development so that would address the concern that you had where you know
you could have a whole property taken up by just multi family development so it
have to be part of a mixed use development so that that is the
recommendation um and again the sort of alternative to that would be to create a
new clear and objective path to approval for Standalone multif family if you
wanted to encourage multif family development in those zones you could
allow it um and you would have to establish a new set of you know criteria
and standards to permit that use um and I guess I just wanted to highlight that
um and you may have noticed it m but a few of these are going to change the
uses that are permitted for those propagators and that is going to trigger
poten measure 56 noce um and so that always raises questions in the community
what does this mean and why is that happening that I guess we wanted to
highlight that's one of the reasons this particular item is in front of you is we
have a recommendation it's in the draft that you have in front of you but it's
an important one and it will be one that might get some conversation
going Kelly we have a complete Standalone multif family in the SE one
right unpleasant what's that one residential compound I forget the
side stream yeah we do we do have a few yeah you're correct we have um so we
would be we have at least one or two on beers and we have and we have at least
one or two on Hood Street okay right um and they were all
they were either approved through the conditional use permit process like the
one on Hood was just put in my like six years ago or they might there's a few of
them that might predate zoning code I think one of them
that um is owned by Mr fleshman might predate the zoning code because it's
probably from the 60s um so what would that become then
would they that be a conditional or no what would happen is in the future if
you went with what staff's recommending is it would have to be entirely
commercial or it would have to be commercial with residential associated
with it but it wouldn't be able to be just pure residential anymore what does
that do to the current owner than that complex to do not do when would this
impact we would have to put it as a non-conforming existing non-conforming
use and they would only not be able to rebuild if an x amount of like 80% or
more of it was destroyed during a fire burn down it wouldn't re un unless we
have given exemptions to that as well so it's a possibility they can still
rebuild it good chance fair amount of those are
gonna especially the new one on hood are going to stay there for quite some
time yeah yeah the one on Hood six years old that's gonna be there for a good
years for long but I'm thinking of some others that have got some age on them
there's a pretty old one on Hood right next to the new daycare center that is
in pretty bad shape uh can you just explain to me what
um understand vertical mixed use we describe what horizontal mixed use
is uh just like commercial here and then Apartments attached to
it okay so horiz yeah yeah I'm trying can you give me an
example of what one would look like I can't picture anything like that yeah
there's not many good examples out there not locally in Sandy at least
um it's more often on a larger development site where you have space
for say a commercial P but then maybe in the back you have you know multifam they
behind the commercial home is 21st
21st retail up front commercial retail up front and then around the sides of
the condos might see that more like a village like a
village is is togate togate
has live at toate I don't know that's a that's actually a good question Carl
that that might be on a separate lot though could not live next to they're
not and not and on a separate I've never
lived there okay just
so so Kelly going back to the buildings that we were talking about before Rich's
question if those buildings sold would they then fall under the new
code or would they be under the code they're they're under they're
non-conforming and that runs with land longevity that runs with the land it
doesn't run with the owner okay correct and we you know just so you know
we have other if you go to our non-conforming use section 1708 there's
other things in there um that once were allowed in different
zones and have been removed and now they're just existing nonconformities
so just so I understand all the uses that so because you're talking about
everything um Hood Pleasant all those I mean it's a huge area that you've got
that map you know the pink area I mean it's every can you show that yeah it's
that whole thing south of the Big Green you know it's it's everything and so
what are are we saying that also is allowed
you know duplexes uh single family attached all
that that's permitted use right now under C1 I'd have to pull up the
zoning code yeah just permitted uses duplexes single attached single detached
blah blah blah yeah but most of those if if you keep reading it says comma or not
a comma sorry it says like single attached existing prior to adoption of
this code so that's that's a great case of an existing use that wouldn't be
allowed today but they're already built and we continue to allow them so nothing
none of those would be allowed at no this has nothing to do with single
family homes they're already not allowed in the C1 we don't allow new single
family homes this is only for multif family hous okay so what I'm trying to
picture is what does this area look like after all this gets done and what I'm
hearing is that whole Pink Zone in there is nothing but commercial with
multifamily above it no we're not saying that well assum assuming it all gets
eventually developed out to what it was zoned as no I would say the majority of
it will just be commercial and there'll be some Lots with commercial with
residential you guys are saying the same thing I would say the majority because
of how financing works with mixes I'd say the majority will not be commercial
with but I get but you saying just want to make sure everything in that area is
either commercial or Comm or that mixed use commercial with commercial with the
multif family directly attached to it it's one those two things nothing else I
mean I'm not saying that's great I'm just saying my concern is that like
y'all don't y'all kind of took away all the parking requirements and and so
there's been this just big push to do Apartments as we saw in beer uh Deer
Point or bull run or whatever it's called and so you know they don't they
didn't really like the commercial they wanted to do the multif Family
Apartments and so given that's my understanding of what the market is then
I see this as being you know where it could be done and there's no parking
requirements and I just you know that's not that's not true the code still
requires parking for residential development it just doesn't require it
for commercial development in the downtown okay well and again it's just a
matter of that given the push for apartments
and it's a 45 foot what what does that translate to floors
stories what I would what I would say is that the code amendment that we're
proposing and the reason why I proposed it this way is because I thought this is
what counts with favor yeah is that it is removing the flexibility for more
Apartments without commercial in the downtown that's what it would be doing
and I get that and I support that Kelly I'm just trying to understand you know
what what the developers will do with that you know because they've got a
different you know angle on it and interest and understandable so I'm just
trying to figure out so so these could be like five story places is that right
I'd say four be 45 feet is that you can build five with 45
feet not with the ground floor commercial yeah really hard to do
because you need hot more height for that ground floor if you're G to be
commercial so it' be [Music]
challenging how many more of these questions are
I think this is one of the more complex ones though just see but I mean are we
dancing around the options you have an option to remove it
we have an option to leave it in are we missing anything else that we
should be considering or is that do you want us to vote as we go along or what
that that be helpful ping Council for a proposal that
will be in front of us in the future I struggle with I struggle with voting for
it right now we're not voting we're polling polling
yeah we need directions so that when you get it next time in September the code's
written that people not looked at this me too I think it's pretty I I
understand the need to clarify and really figure out what we're doing but
at the end of the day I mean it's a pretty easy choice for where this
Council directionally has that this is to recommend
it thumbs uped for the most part you'll see
options are the option that is in the code the packet and so I think if you
were to tell us we think you went the wrong direction
we'd want to know that we' want to fix that for we're pretty good at that and
and just so you know the the recommended options are what I it was my best guess
at what I thought you would want yeah so I might have missed the mark on a few
but that's what I that's what we tried and Kelly the plan is to have one
more works session right in September be discuss this before and and
that'll give the council if you choose to two and a half months or so to look
at the 300 pages of text if you want to look through all that
exy really was carry on okay so the the second question is is
related that's also looking at the C1 and C3 zones um and this is looking this
has kind of more more to do with addressing issues with the design
standards so they are pretty detailed um design standards kind of enforcing the
sort of Sandy style in downtown and in the village uh commercial uh districts
and um that we the attempt with this code amendments again staying policy
neutral is to try out where there are discretionary standards today where
there possibilities to leave them as is and not touch them we tried to go that
route so um when you when you're thinking about mixed use development
which as we just talked about is allowed you can have residential as part of a
mixed use development um it gets a little bit tricky if you're trying to
maybe apply a different set of say you want to apply the discretionary
standards to the commercial portion of the development but you can only apply
clear and objective standards to the residential portion it gets really
tricky especially if it could be mixed on the same floor it might be a little
bit more straightforward and we were finding it would have been more
straightforward if you didn't allow residential on the ground floor at all
you still allowed it on the second floor and above so you still allowed the sort
of vertical mixed use development but you wouldn't necessarily allow the
residential to be just attached to a commercial business as the the current
allowance is in the C1 zone or beside or behind a commercial business in the C3
zone so if you enforce that kind of Separation by saying dwellings must be
above commercial uses um on the second floor above
then you can continue to apply the current um somewhat discretionary
standards to say ground floor window requirements entrance um detailing some
of those standards are not entirely clear and objective today and so um if
we don't want to have to modify those as apply to residential or maybe apply a
different set of Standards um to those features on a residential component of a
building it's it's much more straightforward to separate them so
getting to the um the options here on the next slide so the
recommended option is to again limit the residential development so it's only
allowed above a commercial business um so that doesn't include
horizontal exactly so no again kind of a further restriction beyond the one we
just discussed to say it has to be above a commercial business um so that's the
recommended option that's in your packet the um a second potential option is to
keep the current allow es for residential uses as part of a mixed use
development um which could be again beside or behind or attached um but
apply a different set of Standards to just the residential portion of that
building for that development um in that case it would probably make the most
sense to apply the multif family design standards um but in that case you're
you're ending up with kind of a tricky situation both for staff to interpret
and for applicants to kind of try to parse out what applies to what part of
the building um but that is that is an option that that's an approach that some
cities have taken in their codes possible maybe not ideal I think it'd be
very it'd be difficult it didn't seem like it fits
the clear and objective it just seemed like it puts a lot of gray in the whole
business I mean based on the conversation you guys had on the first
item my guess is you're going to go with the recommended
option keep it pretty simp yeah justar that you guys are kind of bringing in
the Sandy style stuff versus the multifam design standard and can you I
mean can you apply the Sandy style to the commercial part and the correct the
other that'll work and clear objective that is that is an option what
we've done in the SE in the um village and sorry what they call the downtown
and Village Center design standards is to where they do apply or could apply to
residential um to make them clear an objective so just to modify them sort of
the minimum amount to make clear an objective everything that we didn't have
to touch we just left as is that we knew wouldn't apply to housing a lot of the
standards um apply just to the ground floor so as soon as you say residential
is not only can't be on the ground floor you sort of solve that problem of is the
standard discretionary it doesn't matter if it's not going to apply to
residential and presidential count be on the ground floor and it's a standard
related to the ground floor no problem right so that was that was kind of one
way we were looking at the solution um obviously there's kind of a hybrid
solution if you were only concerned about really the Sandy
standards um on the ground floor on in kind of major streets then you could we
could come up with a hybrid solution that says well it's still okay to have
mixed juuse building where there's ground floor residential it's attached
either behind or beside or maybe just behind um but it's uh provided that the
frontage on these major streets is only commercial right so then you would get
you could still allow some of those other forms of attached multif family
right um instead of just above you could have it the side or behind um as long as
those frontages were still ground floor commercial and so that was
the other like kind of the hybrid approach we talked about that after
actually we come up with the recommended approach which was the most coton dry
like okay above the ground FL and then we were like well maybe if you wanted to
retain some of that flexibility we come over the highway that would still
protect the important commercial streets so problem as I see it is is that you
have a number of current situations that have that residential problem and you're
going to end up having the question whether you're going to put apply a
Sandy style to it or not on residential on the ground floor or or not so there's
going to be some complexity in this no matter how you play it but you're
talking about new Stu so just stay away from the
current yeah I mean well and I guess if somebody were to come in for a major
alteration then the if it was in if it was
a if they're doing a major alteration of a residential building apply resal
standard rather
than you interet I think so I think so yeah a developer that came in on a
arterial Street on the front fronted side but a not a main if they're on the
corner lot per se they might want commercial on the front of the building
but then on the on the back side of that building wrap around residential on the
ground floor because it's not on the the main arterial yeah and that would be
more attractive to a developer who's got a small partial on the corner who's
trying to maximize their their livability within that section if you
made it all commercial just left the ball commercial they're they're they're
going to have to find parking for that residential on the back side I just I
just think that might be a
problem we're just pulling here now I think there'll be some
conversations like yeah so so just quick question
um in thinking so this does not prevent say I build the commercial building with
residential on top and then I want to do like a rooftop bar as part of my
downstairs business yeah you can still do that do
that yeah there's nothing the code saying that think yeah
so place we if we get a rooftop bar proposal we'll make it happen
good I just want to make sure we're not doing anything that's
GNA okay so generally no concerns with the recommended approach remember number
two okay um question three has to do with this is another kind of permitted
use question and it has to do with zero lot line dwellings um which are um they
they can either attached or detached and attached zero lot line is basically what
we think of as town homes so they're sort of um attached homes on individual
Lots um and then detached zero lot line is there actually on the next slide
there's a graphic that kind of illustrates yeah um so that you
basically move all the the houses over to one side of the lot so there's a zero
setback on one side and then you have more of a setback and all lots more of a
sort of use usable side yard on the other side so currently in the um single
family residential zone or sfr Zone these type of zero lot line
dwellings are uh minor conditional use so again as we talked about you can't
have just this discretionary um process for allowing this type of of housing um
so again you all have a kind of a choice to make either you can develop a new
clear and objective path and I guess we're getting into the options on the
next slide um you can develop a cleared objective path to make sure to make
those permitted use and develop a new set of um standards or actually you
could you could pull over existing standards that apply in the other
residential zones where they are permitted
outright but the recommended option kind of following the same theme is just to
not permit those um those types of zero lot line dwellings in the sfr zone so
you could still have single regular single family detached but no Town Homes
as a permitted or conditional use we never turn them into a
dup that's that's my question is you know single family residential is
supposed to be just single family homes and then we got pushed into requiring
duplexes so Town Homes were never an option and so so so now we're still only
talking right about duplexes and single family homes yeah duplex will still be
allowed but this would remove if you go back to the previous slide it'll remove
it'll remove the thing on the left so you you'll have to have setbacks so
if you if you remove it as we're recommending each side is going to have
to have setback and what it effectively does is
it it's kind of density control a little bit because you'll get with this design
you get more houses on less acreage because you don't have setbacks
on your one side of your house um I personally think it's bad
design and we have some in the Sandy Bluff neighborhood and people get very
confused and very upset when their neighbor has to basically what they
would consider trespass in the to paint the side of your house people think it's
middle to paint this side of your house you literally have to go on your
neighbor's property and there's easements for it but I I don't really
like the design at all but the caveat that I I'm kind of coming around to is
that previously this Council again I didn't support it but allowed duplexes
to be detached which I don't even understand how that makets the
termination the definition of duplex and so now you can have a detached duplex
which is basically two separate houses and then and now you're allowed to uh
subdivide it so now you've got instead of having single family of 7500 youve
got two small small Lots so that's where I don't like that because I think that's
we've got a lot of already zones for that so if you reinstated that a duplex
had to be attached had to be attached how would this affect that this
doesn't affect duplexes this is for a single lot of record with
one dwelling on it that's what a zero lot line dwelling
is yeah this doesn't really have anything to do with duplexes just so you
know okay that's confus because if you can have a detached
duplex in my mind I mean those are two single dwellings that you can then
subdivide you see it's kind of semantics there if you could subdivide if you
could build two DET a detached suplex and then subdivide it that's two
dwelling so this is in this example if this was a
subdivision this is lot one this is lot two this is lot three they're all
different lots of record they all presumably have different owners all
this would be doing would be making setbacks on both sides of the house what
you're talking about is you could have two units on this two on this two on
that for the duplex Provisions but that's allowed by that house bill and
that has nothing to do with they would still be subject to setbacks depending
on how we correct it correct ex we can't we can't create that would limit that
that's no but if it was attached you couldn't subdivide it because it's not
it would be a zero light line well wouldn't
it it's it would still be it would still be called a duplex if it if it goes
through the middle housing land division process which is required by by law to
beow um it's still considered a duplex even after after it's divided yeah it is
very confusing understand and you know definitely understand and appreciate
your confusion because you're right I mean functionally
it might feel like you had a duplex and two units on one lot and and somebody
divided that through a middle housing land division it's going to look like a
two unit townhouse built functionally right it's going to be each lot's going
to be or each unit is going to be on its own lot they're going to be attached it
is still technically a duplex it's right I mean under the law that's still called
a duplex this is a different set of Provisions in your code unrelated to
that this I think predates that those changes um and it
just says that these types of zero lot line uh developments and it puts them
through a conditional use process and again if you're gonna offer a housing
type in a Zone it needs to be either yes or no can't be it can't be aaz so um
can't go to a discing process so that's that's the problem we're trying to solve
is and I understand there's this other confusing believe me yeah it is
confusing um but that the problem we're trying to solve is really to just get to
what's the best clear and objective answer for this particular problem and I
think I generally was there anybody that would like us to like change from the
recommended approach I like all right we should probably move on we only we only
got about 15 minutes left I would we should just start with that question
every
time okay just cont I'm not asking well this one's a
little bit less maybe a little bit less straightforward but um this is about
Transit Street building orientation requirements so um in the current code
the city um defines Transit streets as arterials and collectors and other other
streets are identified in the transit plan um and residential development has
to be quote unquote oriented toward the transit street so that's a current
requirement but that what what does it mean for a building to be oriented
toward the transit street is kind of the the clear and objective issue that we
needed to resolve um so we we created some um new standards for what it means
to be oriented so it means either face the street you know the entrance faces
the street or it's you know within up to 45 degree angle from the street that was
pretty straightforward but part of what city staff have been interpreting the
oriented toward the transit Street to mean is that it's within a certain kind
of distance from the street so it's not set way back on the lot it's not really
oriented towards the transit street so um on the next slide yeah the
recommended option is to establish a maximum distance or a setback between
that building entrance and the transit Street to say you're oriented towards
the transit Street if you're within X distance which we haven't defined yet in
the in the draft um and that would make that
requirement clear an objective um and would kind of be consistent with the
purpose of those requirements which is to encourage kind of active frontages
pedestrian friendly development at question how does this work with a
flag
lot I think that's a great question I think it's
actually I think we I think we did add something about
that that's a really good question that's a really good question though
section oh it it already has one exceptions for flag Lots thank you uh
yeah it is in there yeah but that is a great
question we all good with the recomended approach we're good with that and you
know we we recommended some or we're thinking of recommending somewhere in
the range of 20 to 30 feet distance from the street as qualifying is being
oriented so it's kind of visible from the street readily sort of reachable
from the street um but not trying to be over
you know still trying to provide some flexibility between the minimum and the
maximum setbacks Kelly is that about what dearco
is right now all you know those houses that all have the garage in the back and
the they face Street out front yeah they are they all about that yeah yeah yeah I
would say so yeah and I think for the most part when we the code says it has
to be a minimum of 20 I don't think we really run into an instance where they
anybody's put it further than like 30 feet but we're just thinking that it
could happen where you said it would way back and then it kind of defeats the
purpose of the code like somebody put a garage at the front of the property and
the house in the back of the property prevent that because the front door has
to be yeah within you know 25 30 okay same
as the drive and they could always request
variance I think we're all gonna be okay with the new addition on this one okay
uh well right so thank you and I guess you all had a chance to read the memo on
this this is a change in in state law um and and it is a little bit confusing
changing um how one interprets uh what it means to be a family and um having
that not be based on uh the fal relationship of the occupants and so we
found a way to solve that you all saw our recommendation I think which was to
set number of bedrooms uh as the distinction between congregate living
and uh an individual dwelling unit other jurisdictions have done that uh as a
solution to this same problem we haven't seen anybody come up with anything
better um that's also um objective and isn't using the relationship of the
people the occupants so um and without it again there is really no distinction
between congregate living and house likewell I will add on this one we had
about a 45 minute conversation maybe longer with Josh and this is the best we
could all come up with this was one of the hardest things actually in the whole
code yeah how did you come up with eight I mean it's what other cities are using
that that I think right yeah I mean it also you know you start yeah it was it
was really hard it was a hard call I mean and you know obviously if you felt
like that was too higher low let us know I mean it's you can
change the number the premises though that they're going to base it on
bedrooms and so bedroom house I'd need more than one
family this still though doesn't allow for like people Liv in crawl spaces and
things like that no it Nota that's a non-habitable living yes correct you are
correct want to think about shed too I will point out you have a circular
definition oh so the fact that you're defining
family as those that live in a dwelling unit then you Define dwelling unit in
terms of things that are occupied by not more than one family means you actually
have a circular
definition I want to look at that we'll have to take a look at that
yeah y but is is anybody against the eight-bedroom
understand it yet is this just in congregate living zone or no no this is
this is saying if your house has more than eight
bedrooms than your congregate housing and the reason why is because we can't
Define what constitutes a family is that the deal because I I'm trying to think
of an eight bedroom house at this point there there is I don't think there is
any inan I think the largest one I know was like six but but what you would see
what this is intended to get at is if somebody wanted to build a congregate
living facility and they were intending to build say 10 bedrooms 12 bedrooms
whatever it is it could go it if you don't have a limit then that's actually
considered it's no different than a single family house right because it's
if there's no limit on the size of a single family house and has a kitchen a
single family would this be the S and Scenic the old Hospice place would that
be I don't remember how many bedrooms no because that's that's actually that is
actually built as an assisted living facility but this would this would
prevent somebody from basically buying a lot putting in a 12
bedroom house and then turning it into Cong housing essentially or dorm or
dorms it's a very complex one or yes correct it
is okay moving on then uh to a quick question about uh adjustments so this
actually came up later in our review process and so um this change I don't
believe is in the this one didn't make it into the draft right or is it oh okay
excuse me yeah this came up very late in our conversations with City attorney
where we were looking at the city's review criteria for type one
adjustment and that's for um to vary up to 10% problem is a type one doesn't
really work for the type of approval criteria that you're applying to a type
one adjustment those are require too much discretion on the staff and so they
really need notice to to make that kind of decision so our recommendations
really straight forward which is just get rid of that type one adjustment um
there's no change needed to the type two because it was already up to
20% so it just it care of it um and so I think there
are recommendation very straightforward just get rid of the type one any
concerns with that one okay okay great again I me so that means you can't have
a type one adjustment right so people that want adjustments will apply for a
type two adjustment which have today and that gets you up to 20% just like it
does today none of that's going to change the opportunity to do a very very
small adjustment using the type one is gonna have to go away because the
approval criteria have too much
FIB unfortunately that mean you're giving too much
authority to the director that's what without notice without
notice yeah yeah yeah no it's it's it's not a problem to have authority and if
there's discretion in the decision making organ law typically requires that
there's um notice and an opportunity to appeal if there's exercise discre it's
that's exactly the thing so it's allowing me to basically issue decisions
on variances T code without allowing anybody to comment yeah that's the
problem yeah so okay uh let's move on then so
uh eight um I don't if all of you had a chance or familiar with this or had a
chance to read the memo on this one it'ss
awesome right exha exha is it going to pass it
did it's
already it's I mean we're still referring to it as descend dates because
that's how people know it but it's it's it's passed it's LA and it does require
local governments to allow affordable housing that beet certain definitions
and criteria um in a wide range of zones and sites
um uh well in in as I said in a wide range of zones and sites and depending
on the ownership of the yeah it's it's in single family residential um there
are some density uh and intensity requirements so and
again I don't want to I guess I know that's not yeah well I'm being trying to
be mindful of your your time here um I guess the thing that's a little bit
challenging about applying Senate Bill 8 so it it applies right now some can come
in and apply under that Zach would apply that statute directly without it being
in your development code because that's the way it's set up some jurisdictions
have found that that is difficult to do because you know they wrote it for the
Statewide and there's it doesn't answer all of the questions that a planner at
the counter might face when somebody comes in and actually applies and so uh
we've gone ahead and written a code section that helps it's intended to help
your staff apply that statute the statute applies that part's true and U
but it's really unclear and there's some gaps in like how well how what does it
actually mean there's some density bonuses height bonuses it's hard to know
what those mean um in in City s zones and which zones get what and what about
zones that don't allow housing like right now so we don't know what the
density is how do you calculate that so our recommendation is to go ahead and
include something in the code just to make life easier it doesn't change the
effect that's in effect right so it's only
what you know whether you want it in your code or not as a as a way to hope
you know if it does if somebody does apply under that to make life a little
easier but you know you don't have to and we are getting inquiries about it
already from two different developers I just don't you know I don't understand
enough about it to even make a recommendation I'm very concerned that
you know they can put in a huge shelter in a single family residential
neighborhood without you know it's not a shelter it's whatever apartment it's
affordable housing and and because what was considered needed housing is now all
housing and it's that kind of stuff so I just feel like I wish we had we could
hire some consultants and I get that we're not supposed to be putting
together anything that you know doesn't follow the code or doesn't follow the
new law law that's coming down but I want to see some Consultants who could
take that and understand where you know that I if this was happening in high
density which we have a bunch of that's fine that's where it belongs but to to
allow all this to happen everywhere height to to have our density our
minimum lot sizes and our our maximum densities in these zones thrown out to
completely guys if I if I I agree I agree but if I may I I think what
Kathleen's asking for is kind of what is in the recommendation right I mean well
what I mean mean by that is is whatever this new chapter is that applies the
statute is going to have to come in front of this council with some back and
forth with our staff to approve and so what I'm hearing is is you want to look
at that statute and figure out the best way to address that in our community and
that's exactly what creating this chapter would do is develop our our way
of implementing that Statute in San that's 100% correct and if you don't
adopt anything then there's no code provision on
density or height right so they can they can choose anything and I cannot deny it
that's in the yeah in the non-residential zones where there are no
density standards for housing um under if yeah if you appli the statute
directly they could say well there's no limit on density so we can build as
dense as you know the site allows but as we've interpreted that sort of missing
provision in the statute we added a density standard that applies the the
maximum density or the medium density R2 zone so that that is an actual kind of
different outcome based on the current draft as we've drafted it in the
proposed amendments that would be different than if someone just came in
if you didn't adopt anything are you saying that are the densities that are
currently in R1 still apply to this they apply except you get a density bonus of
200% so you double and that Ian I me honestly if you if you chose to sort of
disregard that and develop your own standards I think an applicant could
probably make the case to Luba or whoever that you know you're not
following the statute and they could do they could do what's
allow that's crazy but the but the essential question in front of us is do
we want and no offense with you Kelly I love you I trust you but do we want
Kelly just having to figure out how to implement the statute in here or do we
want to move forward with a chapter that lays out very straightforward for how
Kelly and the staff should implement this statute I think the recommendation
is the way to go right and I am getting inquiries about
this already in Sandy all right what zones industrial our C2
on but just a minute just a minute M with a Mortor okay
ahead they know about
that just a minute left I'm G to touch on one last question
very quickly talk about um you know our schedule to come back to all so uh yeah
we've got tree removal um for Park maintenance and so there are some
existing exemptions uh related to tree removal and uh in kind of looking at
this section and talking to City staff U the recommendation here is to add a new
exemption um from City own parks and natural areas Trail installation
maintenance safety improvements and general Park maintenance to allow uh so
basically just to create the exemption so you're not going through a perating
process internally anything to add to that I
would really like to change this so that our P staff can go remove trees in say
mining in certain areas and they don't have to get a tree permit it's just can
can you say existing Trails because I could see where that might go to and I
don't want to put more stuff into it is it intent to be existing Trails it' be
paral they would still have to get a permit if it was like within the within
a certain distance of our creeks and within like a wetland but that's like a
DSL requirement right right but otherwise if it was like an Upland tree
that was dead and Tiana and her crew just wanted to remove it they just they
can just go do it they don't need a check in what if we had a one of our
neighbors wanted to do that for their house I read it's a city owned
Park I hate that we stand yeah I hate that we get you know not for
us but definitely for you I definitely understand and appreciate that but with
limited Staffing right now it's it's it is a pretty big burden on staff so what
do you do because I have right now we're processing tree permits excuse me though
I mean I wasn't required to get a tree permit when all those seedos had to come
down because PGE butchered him so right those are in the right way I believe
though well no was it was based on the size of my lot oh yeah that's true okay
and so similar to a park that's got a big area and a lot of trees you're gonna
have to break a few eggs to make the off yeah you're correct coun all I just
don't like the double standard I agree with and then also does this address the
need to maintain John viewpoints view given that you're 400 feet from the
river no well I actually that's a good question I'll have to look
back I'll have to look into
that I think so all right I I think it would if you put maintenance in there I
would think so I think so too it's an existing View Corridor it is yeah yeah
that's a good question but I I think we would yeah we would include that in and
I would add Trails like Carl said into the road utilities trails
making sure covers so do you want us to give you
kind of just a general um next steps just for a couple minutes
sir just take a second yeah so I mean basically I guess we'll be back in front
of you um to talk about the proposed amendments um for another work session
in September and um following that work
session we'll be making fun edits and then aing for hearings November December
we're hoping to wrap this all up by the end of this year perfect that's our goal
so you want to get it done good okay let do so for that thank you very much for
your sorry we're always rambunctious group really appreciate your question
terrific so a really good question so yeah um I think about this summer to
look over that lovely document and of course if you have questions for us
Kelly is probably the easiest very much thank you to the
members that joined us this evening really appreciate it uh we're going to
close our work session we will convene our council meeting at 7:10 thank
you let's go ahead and call the city council meeting into order please join
me for pledge of
allegiance I pledge alance to the flag of the United States of America and to
the for it [Music]
stands indivisible andice
excuse
me all right I'll do a quick review of tonight's agenda I'm going to be calling
for any CH proposed changes to tonight's agenda I will'll then go to public
comment um Jeff did we have anybody submit online not online mayor all right
so we have two submitted um for public comment I'll be calling your names at
the appropriate time uh then we'll have a response to the previous public uh
comments that was by Bill Lesley well the response from staff uh to that at
that time then we'll get into our consent agenda our consent agenda has
our city council meeting minutes from our June 5th and June 12th meetings the
adoption of a financial Su sustainability plan for parks and wreck
Sandy N Advisory Board appointments requirements for street closures and
exclusive use of minding park for the 2023 Mountain Festival loan
authorization drinking water transmission line design contract
Amendment for leeway engineering Solutions owner representative Services
the adoption of city manager recruitment position profile and hiring procedures
under new business we have three public hearings and so if you're here just
speak uh for one of those public hearings wait till this time um for the
public hearings to testify don't do it during our earlier uh we have public
hearing for 2023 24 Master fees and charges a public hearing for revised
moratorium raising limits on our new Wastewater connections and a public
hearing for Trans our transportation systems plan we'll then have a report
from our city manager and we'll end our evening with our committee and Council
reports with that Jeff will you please call the role yes counc pres counc small
here counc Sheldon here counc Walker here councelor exner pres counc Hinson
here mayor pulam here thank you for that Jeff with that I will call for any
proposed changes to tonight's agenda hearing none we'll move forward
to public comment um the first up for public comment that I have is uh Nancy
Becker and Nancy you'll have three minutes uh Jeff will'll let you know
when you have can I wait till later it's it's about the uh oh it's
about the fees so we'll go ahead and wait for the fees at that time with that
um we have Michael Jenkins um Michael uh you will have
we'll provide five minutes of testimony Jeff our city recorder will give you a
20 second uh warning so when you have 20 seconds left uh and I have your
information here so if you'd like uh you you get the mic the mic that way it
picks up what you're talking about so you can either oh this mic can get you
right here at the table yeah it'll hear I the absolutely
sir wel [Music]
my name is white gens I'm the US Marie
corette been in your town for a year and a half
homeless you haven't heard a be party out of me you haven't had one complaint
about me being homeless in this town now I've been through a lot of stress
and operations I've had my gallbladder out I've had a double hery out my
gallbladder was in me for three years because they couldn't get me health
insurance get me in almost died I had my heart done I've had six inches of my leg
now I got third degree burdens on my leg they put me in housing over at
father's house and then they got me into the to a
motel they put end up putting me into the budget over on
mopin been there for 49 days I got pictures to show all you guys that I
lived in a pig pin couldn't pick up or nothing no cleaning no nothing bent was
going in there I ended up with B me I had a detox in the board Mission to get
out of there now the people that have getting my housing and stuff they're
supposed to have a $28,000 two whatever kind of mobile home
I supposed to work in this this gr money that we're getting it's supposed to pay
for it off me and my dog will be happy but what I'm coming tonight to tell
everybody about is I need help now I don't want to be in crack out
I'm not a crackman I ran against Ted wheeler for mayor and I am a man out
there on the streets I work with the homeless I take many of them off and put
them in places and I use CBD hip and mushrooms you got blue pills coming your
way you got problems I got Solutions I'll sit down talk about it but my thing
tonight is I need help I went to your office today you're to see the chief to
explain to him my issue he wasn't in I went to the next person in mind is this
officer right here I said where do you want me to sleep can't sleep at the bus
stop anymore well it seems like the other
night when I rolled in here after a a sheriff on
mlin threatened to put a gun a bullet through my dog's head because he's
walking get too close to me and I said a service
dog he's going willing to put a bull through my dog's head he's going to put
a bull through my head he talked to my caregiver told him he even said that
what am I going through why do I have to do this you guys ain't got nothing this
down for me a told me today I get to get tickets written on G to write me
homeless Nas well that's okay I have a income
this dog is on is hurt too he's on medicine he's on bed rest he's over at
the daycare you know put him in there me my
money I'll do anything for my dog you're not going to shoot my dog I need help
reporting this they got me help they didn't get me I will
say he did leave me to the amp bar I went to the amp Barn the an Barn had 15
people there in 10 minutes to help me he shows up with the county now tomorrow I
get to see the the the other who is
it supposed to Resource through I'm hoping disability so I can turn in these
claims that I'm showing to you now I can cut off here mayor I would like to have
10 15 minutes with you after sit down have a cup of coffee I want to show you
my video when I went through at that motel and see what I want you to see
what I had to go through and then you can decide because I asked to show video
tonight that was refused but I respect that my name is
Michael J AKA por chop I will be running for there the next gool around but I
need help now that's it God
bless thank you um and I would like to speak on the water behalf when you get
to that please Absol oh okay absolutely and then uh let's be in touch see if we
can May set up that coffee thank you for your
time all right with that let's uh move ahead in our agenda uh we have the
response to our last meetings um public testimony thank you mayor um two parts
to this response first uh I was not aware at the time that we had an issue
with the um only accepting credit card payments and not accepting Cas or check
for business license renewals and so we have made some progress or working on
making some progress there to alleviate that Rebecca has been doing case-by case
um check payments for those that need it in the short term and then we're working
with the vendor to figure out what options we have as far as a weting that
to make sure that all of our business owners can renew their licenses um in a
convenient way for them and also you know gets us the the revenue that we
need in a mutally beneficial way so thank you and i' like to thank Mr Lesley
for his public testimony uh you don't always uh implementing changes you don't
you don't always see the unintended things or sometimes the things you mean
that to not do and and that's why we have public testimonies to hear how the
changes we make impacts our community so if you're listening thank you Phil for
your testimony always enjoy the engagement May there is one more part to
that yes sir regarding the cost of the rental license for a rental property um
the research that we have done showed that a couple of the cities in clamus
County charge anywhere from $50 to $100 ours 85 there are a handful of cities
that don't charge anything for rentals but we're kind of you know middle of the
road of those that do charge um Mr Lesley didn't think that the council was
fully aware of the rate increase when that uh was adopted last uh December uh
when we pulled the staff report it was clearly identified in the staff report
the prior rental uh license amount then the updated proposed rental license so
we feel confident that you know we provided you with the entirety of the
information that you needed at that time um of course if the council would like
to revisit that rate where do that but this time we're kind of middle the road
those CL County cities that do
charge I have a comment about that but you only wait till the fees come around
we talk about fees uh sure you can ask a question now if you
what did they get for that like they we don't go around and and you know do code
checks or you know anything like that for rentals I mean do they even see us
at all for $85 I don't have a good answer for you
off the top of my head I know that you know from a um business license
recordkeeping perspective it's nice to know what properties are rental so if
there are issues with you know tenants police can get involved and contact the
property owners so that's one mechanism um we also can then cross reference in
the utility billing software with those uh landlords so that if you know
Bill is unpaid we can make sure we have the correct contact information to get
hold of the property owner um but beyond that I'd have to reach out some my he
here more
information thank you all right with that we'll move ahead to our consent
agenda um unless there's uh questions or discussion I'll um a mo
adopt I'll make a motion to adop adopt the cons
agenda is there a second second there's a motion from councelor Smallwood and a
second from councelor exner to adopt the consent agenda all those in favor
signified by saying I I oppose May motion carries moving ahead uh to new
business um I am going to open um this public hearing it is
22m Tyler with the staff report thank you
mayor um so the council is fully aware that we like to uh review our fee
schedule annually and bring that back at the start of the new fiscal year to make
sure that the costs that we are charging for services match um the actual
expenditure related to those services and so what I'll do tonight is just run
through sort of these different categories of fees um don't think
there's anything too much shock here as we discussed uh most of the this during
the budget process uh and so with that I'll just jump right in the first
section of fees that we're updating or proposing updates to are miscellaneous
fees and you can see they're pretty uh low dollar amounts here just trying to
get the fee schedule updated to the cost of printing for some of those larger
documents if they are requested from the public as well as um updating some copy
charges to 50 cents to reflect the actual cost associated with providing
those services to the public I feel free to interupt as I go
if you have questions on anything specific uh the next category of fees
that we're proposing to increase would be the Planning and Building fees uh
last year we did a 2% increase which was closely tied to um CPI we're proposing a
6% uh to these categories of fees um again tied to CPI for January to January
of 2023 that 6% was sort of carried through
the budget in various spots as well because we do typically tend to tie
things to CPI to make sure that we have a constant
um Baseline of measurement the one item to note here two items to note I guess
uh the first is that um you know I think probably the first question you would
ask is how is this going to impact uh a building permit it's about $350 more for
the average single family home permit um and then second item to note is that the
state of Oregon requires a 45 day notice before we adopt fee changes for building
and planning fees building fees specifically we noticed the state on
June 14th and so because of that um we can't formally adopt the building and
planning fees tonight we'll bring that back at a later date but part of the
state's requirement that we also hold a public hearing and so we wanted to tie
all the fees together in the public hearing give everyone the opportunity to
provide the public comment we can still provide written testimony um up through
the end of July then we'll bring that back at the August 7th meeting just to
adopt this one section of fees
uh next is water rates and so as the council's you know very aware we have
significant reinvestment going on in our water system talked a lot about that
during the budget process the different projects we're going to have going um
throughout this bium and I believe the council saw the updated rate model
several months back uh but there's no significant changes to that uh model
since the last time you saw it which indicated the need of a 36% rate
increase in water charges affected with this upcoming fiscal year
and what that equates to to the average customers anywhere from $10 to $20 per
month you know we we use the Baseline of s CCF generally speaking we talk about
the average customer and so if that's um you know being consistent there it's
$15.31 would be the monthly increase
um and to help offset that rate increase we are are proposing the addition of a
reduced um water rate program similar to the Wastewater utility assistance
program that we have currently and so this would adopt the new rate increase
of 50% of the regular rate so that increase will only be about
$765 or so for the average customer if they were on the reduced rate program
about 43 customers currently so because the sentence starts with the proposed
changes also include the addition of reduced water rate for a single family
home with three so is is that something that's only applying to the folks that
are on the assistance program so we would basically if you're enrolled in
the Wastewater utility assistance now we would automatically enroll you in water
so we don't need to do another application process or anything like
that the 3/4 inch meter is the vast majority of single family homes um we
can't really propose a change to a multif family unit because we don't have
a way on our end to determine if there's one member that would qualify versus
another tenant that wouldn't qualify so this gets the most bang for your buck as
far as you know the most eligible yeah just that whole sentence though
kind of implies it's applying to everybody all yeah that that's not the
intent it's just three quer inch water meters but everybody has those they
would have to meet the same eligibility requirements as the yeah my point is the
sentence doesn't say anything about the eligibility of of the assistance program
it just says gotcha um for clarity it would
follow the same program guidelines as the Wastewater assistance program it
would just be changing the title on the application to water and waste water
system other questions on water yes okay
um why so Sky View Acres just looked it up to see who they were why are their
water rates
a114 versus everyone else is they're 416 going up to $6
so it's one of our wealthier that's been a ongoing H contract that we've had
we've applied the same rate increases um you know to them as every other type of
account um but I don't know the backstory on how that rate was initially
determined I can absolutely do some research there and figure out that would
be fantastic is that like Mountain Shadows no it's Virginia Court Virginia
Court hence my question I someone lives there
interesting but yeah does the Mountain Shadows and all those other folks that
get some water from us pay different rate be good question yeah so we have
the wholesale rate which is a little bit more expensive than the normal single
family home payer um which is dry blank now those two big ones are
Alder Alder Creek and there's one other one that I can't think of now the top of
my head but those fall under that whole sale category
all right uh next up is Wastewater so similar story here lots of capital uh
investment that needs to happen in that system uh the rate model that we've been
working off of although it's been revised 118 times
literally it uh shows a 16% rate increase that's
needed and so that would bring the average uh residential customer to about
$167 more per month uh again that rate ref to be effective
on the upcoming July 2023 utility bills questions on water seeing none
okay uh storm water again this was presented in the budget process
currently the storm water fee is $5 per equivalent residential unit uh we're
proposing a $3 increase to um up to 8 and that really you know helps right
siiz the storm water budget starts paying off the debt that's uh recently
incurred for the Emergency repairs that we had and so this one is an important
structural step to make sure that the swim water fund remains solid going
forward and next up on the list is Sandy net so we're not proposing any changes
to the normal um uh Fiber service for Sandy net at this time but Council might
remember that last June we added a couple multi-gig
services with what we thought were competitive rates come to find out
they're a little bit higher than our competitors so we're not having anyone
taking those services and in order to remain competitive on those multi- gig
Services um we're proposing a slight rate reduction on the 2 gig and 5 gig
service in addition to that we are working on developing or have in process
um the capability of offering 10 gig here soon and so we need to establish a
rate for 10 gig service and because the 10 gig installation is a little bit more
um time consuming and high level than the standard uh installation charges
we'd be proposing to change the installation for 10 gig service to 300
instead of just
$100 and then Library some uh small changes here some rate reductions
actually very rarely do we get to um talk about rate reductions but you'll
remember during the budget process again uh Sarah's Mission and and really the
whole Library Network's mission of reducing fines and ultimately trying to
go fine free and so this proposal would reduce the maximum due fine from $5 down
to a dollar um and that change is already reflected in the budget so
there's no budgetary impact reduced Revenue
there and then last but certainly not least hold up question sorry sorry to
interrupt your no nope so uh it's h we've we've crossed out the cultural
pass so are we doing away with the cultural pass
entirely my understanding is that there's just no charge for that I don't
believe the cultural p is being disc continued so are we giving special
privileges as far as no overdue rates to certain people while other people pay
overdue
rates I don't believe so um I'm not quite sure if I understand the question
though as far as well I'm wondering what the cultural past is I guess and so I'm
I guess right there um and hence and hence are we giving special privileges
if you have a cultural pass you don't have to pay an overdue fee but everybody
else does so that's that's all I'm getting at no the cultural pass um I
don't know the whole listing of things that it can can get you access to okay
but there's you know a variety of I mean I assume it's like a social you know
Museum that's what I figur I just if we're not doing overdue I'm just
wondering that's all yeah uh no thank you for question my question
we are discontinuing um that that daily that daily uh overdue right there as
proposed um I haven't heard of an issue of it being significantly misused or
held overdue um or you know held uh for a lengthy period of time but I can
definitely follow up on that one as well I'm sure it's not that big of a deal I
was just
app and then um so last but certainly not least Parks and Recreation
um so last meeting June 5th the council um during the work session received a
presentation from Melle and John about the fee structured changes that they
were proposing to make based on the financial sustainability plan that was
just adopted earlier this evening uh and so these updated fees reflect those
changes that were presented at the last meeting there was some discussion about
maybe a higher um initial hourly rate and then a lower rate for subsequent
hour after that to capture you know The Upfront cost of of rentals we opted not
to make that change in this go around because we are going to be revisiting
this on an annual basis to really sort of get to the root of what do we need to
do with parks and R to make it sustainable this is the you know vital
first step in that but as you may recall from the last meeting we also were you
know working on the time Windows of certain shelters and you know do we have
enough availability for the general use versus you know just the reservation at
the peak hours and so this is our first cut at sort of a revamping of the whole
fee structure in that
department I would just ask are you guys those so people know yes we'll make sure
that we have information on our website about the rentals and then we can throw
up some signs at the various shelters people know it does a pretty significant
change to past practice where it's been first time for service so we'll make
sure that we get that that message out y thank you
and with that uh mayor I would just recommend that um you hold public
hearing rece any public testimony andish up thank you for that
re we're gonna go ahead and move ahead um with public testimony for this um if
you're online please use the raised hand button if you wish to testify if you're
uh in our meeting via telephone please use star9 to raise your hand uh if if
you're here in person and you wish to testify please raise your hand you'll be
provided three minutes each uh you'll get a 20 second warning um from Jeff
please remember to state your name and address for the record we'll start with
Nancy and then we'll get to you m uh Nancy Becker at 14585 Bluff Road um
par and Sandy uh storm grain fee um is increased by
$3 and I have been told that it will be increasing to 10 by next year uh that
would be twice what it is now we don't even have a storm drain in front of my
house we have a ditch it drains into our side
Lot why am I being charged $10 or soon to be $8 or possibly even currently now
when
there is no storm drain in front of my house there's nothing everything that
comes down from the church on down and in front of my place and into my little
side lot that I also own
um also what can a senior citizen on a
fixed income do as far as fees go I believe you were mentioning that there
was an average increase and it's minor but it turns out to be
$183 72 cents per year my neighbor who lives directly
behind me now has her daughter and son-in-law living with her because after
her husband passed she can't make it on her
own and she's not happy about the fact that she's having to give up some of her
house sorry but I love her um everything is going up except for Social
Security um water use um oh sorry I can't see um
but yeah sewer is going up everything else is
going up and I have some other questions also PGE pays to the city of Sandy cell
service pays to the city of Sandy I see city of Sandy in a lot of my regular
bills and so it's not just from water and property taxes or you know garbage
that comes through here I don't know if garbage gets part of the pay something
to City of Sandy or not but anyway you normally don't see me here but whenever
he dages me along and offers me ice cream on the way
home you know otherwise I be home with my yores thank you but yes the major
thing is the 18372 a year that means a lot to those senior citizens and yes I
along with my husband are both now considered senior citizens and on a
fixed income and so yes I do hit Safeways to
hit what's on sale I do not buy anything that is not on sale except for my yorkis
godet that is the only thing that iour on and so anyhow these they need to go
someplace rather than up all the time I'm
sorry I am sorry but I have a lot of friends that fing this thank you n
really appreciate it all right Michael we'll do the same
drill as last time
let me move this chair for you sir hey
puppy my name is Mike chin uh I've Liv for the last year and a
half right down here uh where the park is right above
the park Dan Hugh's house right there looking right over the
park last year half I take my wheelchair and go down to the
steill then I had to crawl all through the dirt and just
bark now there's a house right down there below me that has two senior
ladies in there that had her heart attack they brought her ex-husband te's
a senior in there and they got wood in their front yard from last winter when
the cherry tree fell on mik my B during the
snowstorm we rode into the city hall you guys sent me a letter back saying it's
an accident from God well that accident from God is my
home got destroyed $300 bill that's all fix it it's done done
solution but what I'm saying too is you got problems in that park with the trees
during all these storms those trees are crashing down I 13 trees have been down
in that down there we had one at the end of what is that street he lives
on I'll get you the streak but there was a big tree that fell down hit one house
and hit the next house over there we were out electricity for five
days why that five days was going on I couldn't use my breathing machine
couldn't use my pack machine
Dan was wife was contacting the electric company and they could even come out
with a power source to get me stuff to breathe I mean we need emergency things
for these elderly when the power goes out for two or three days because of
these fires we got to come up a solution you know also I want to put on
the table that Rose City lab on Johnson Creek will do any kind a water Tes
they'll send them to your to everybody in Sandy and they'll do a testing so you
know what's going on with your water with all the drainage and stuff even his
house we the The Neighbor Next Door to us when all this happened that the
neighbor up ahead of us built this building don't know if it's permitted or
not but anyways when the building went up three houses down from us that water
went down and flooded the Bas down there when it did that it soaked the park just
made it a sponge down there 20 seconds I I would like you guys talk more about
that and do more investigation in the park trees so one of these kids get
killed God bless thank you sir appreciate your testimony can I make
$900 and I'm on Social Security I get 170 in food
stamps that's what I get thank you sir appreciate it all right um with that I
will now I call for the staff recap and recommendation uh yeah thank you mayor
um i' just like to reiterate that all of these changes were proposed or discussed
during the budget process um and so our budget as uh it has been adopted and
effective July 1 includes these changes
um yeah Kathleen has a question um Nancy did bring up a good point or I
kind of a thought of it is what about franchise fees are they part of this or
separate are they going up these uh those are totally separate um those
depending on the provider are either negotiate not negotiated but identified
in um like the franchise free agreement like garbage for example we have a a
sole you know exclusive use agreement with them uh so those are not being
modified at this time although the r rates from those other providers are
also increasing all you know seeing PGE increases or Northwest Natural increases
and so because it's percentage based on what we get for franchise fees we will
see additional Revenue coming in because the rates are more on on the other
provider side but we're not changing the percentage rates on on the city and is
there an opportunity to change them like we've changed it for all the residents
we can definitely explore that sure I think there a couple there I believe are
maximums so we need to you know figure out
those maximums but we can look into that great thank you all right unless there's
further questions I will yes just want to respond as well um to Nancy um and I
and you represent everybody out there who doesn't want to see a pay in or a
rate increase so you're representing a very large number of pretty much
everybody right nobody wants to see a rate increase I just want you to know
that we've spent the last I've spent the last couple of years and several of us
in various committees and and the council itself especially around Water
and Wastewater trying to understand our current situation and trying to
understand what it's going to take so that the freshwater continues to flow
and that the the sewage is properly treated in a way that doesn't bankrupt
the city and the the terrible truth of it to my own surprise you know when I
came on councel was that for many many years the the rates had not been
collected to basically adequately maintain the system it's like buying a
car or any other house and not doing any maintenance on it you go enough years
all of a sudden you're facing just this massive update and that's where we're at
and it's terrible and people are like well why are they still going up and why
the sad part about some of these rats particularly waste water today is we are
still not recovering the true cost even as high as this new rate's going to be
it's not quite to where we have to be just to pay our own way moving forward
and that's but the impact to people whether on fixed income or not it's it's
huge and we acknowledge that and I wish there was a different way the mayor has
done a phenomenal job and our consultants in terms of trying to get
grants we've got our our public works department has uh acquired very low
interest loans but when you're faced with those kind of
jumps you don't really notice it so I just want to know it's it's top of mind
but it's also something that we feel like is very very necessary to so to
speak to keep the lights on so may I also say that today I just got
my P Bill and it said $44 for a distribution
fee distribution I understand sorry
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no oh we can take public testimony
sure Greg Becker 14585 Bluff Road uh it was on the uh increases in water and uh
sewer uh you're showing 36% this year it is a banum I just wanted people watching
to know it's two years so 36 this year proposed 36 next year same with the uh
with the sewer 26 I believe this year 26 next year and then when you compound
them that 72 isn't 72 it's 73 to 74% and the same with uh with the other so uh I
just wanted to it clarified that uh it's going to be doubled up again next
year app little is there a motion to close the
public heing is there a second a second motion
by councelor walker and a second by councelor exer to close the public
hearing we're now um in
discussion was there was there a vote on oh
I just all those in favor signify by
saying I I oppose n motion carries we're now in the
discussion well I hate rate increases for one but I know we need them and I
think D the great job explained that we're paying for past mistakes today and
I I heard our constituent say that they don't even have a sewer in their yard
and goes for the same for kids for parents that don't have kids in school
anymore paying the school fees it's it's just part of what we have to do for our
community to live and I'm going to support I'm going to continue to support
this rate increase because city is don't thing I would and I agree um
both counselors is that just reminder that we do have some opportunities for
those who are on call assistance I call it fixed income to get a reduced
price as long as they qualify and I think that's if you're in that kind of
boat probably should touch base with the city and I know they've been open about
giving those kinds of discounts so don't forget to do that if you are in that
kind of a condition I represent some of those senior folks don't have a fixed
income yet but I get the part about needing to look at what your future is
when you're getting to be kind of old all right
um any further discussion or MO motion to
adopt I'll make a mo motion to adopt the fee increases for just by is there a
second I'll second it a motion by councelor exner a second by councelor
Hokinson to adopt resolution 2023 D28 the Master Fee in charge of schedule all
those in favor signify by saying I I I oppose n motion carries thank you all
right moving ahead to another public public
hearing I open this public hearing at 7:50 p.m. for resolution
20232 um I will now call for any extensions from the hearing
body hearing then I'll Now call for any conflicts of interest from the hearing
body all right Josh you want to give us a staff report welcome by the way thank
you good evening mayor and city council you know the city of sany has had a
development moratorium in place since October of last year and at the last
city council meeting city council approved a consent decree to settle some
uh outstanding enforcement issues with EPA and DEQ relating to the Wastewater
capacity issues that were the basis for that
moratorium purpose of this uh agenda item is to align the terms of the
moratorium with the consent decree and also to
uh make some other changes based on staff's experience with the moratorium
to date the general uh result of approving this measure would be to
significantly loosen the terms of the moratorium that's currently in effect
most significantly more than doubling the
amount of additional flows that will be allowed from new construction um under
this these changes versus the existing moratorium the moratorium um in front of
you this evening also provides that city council will re-evaluate it within six
months or when uh we have the results of the stress test that the Waste Water
treatment system is currently undergoing whichever is sooner and we do expect the
results of that stress test this fall in addition um I received from
counselor Walker a few questions this afternoon I just want to make sure to
cover those um there's a question about the uh language about middle housing
land divisions and duplex that is a clarification under the
existing moratorium it says that we're allowing those to go forward when the
duplex is already built the the new language in front of you clarifies that
could actually happen before it's built this doesn't have any impact on whether
a duplex can be built or not it's just a matter of the timing of the land
Division and that land division the only effect that that land division has under
cville 458 is regarding the ownership of duplexes it allows for um a person who
who occupies a duplex to Lo own the land underneath their duplex versus having
that land be um the same land underneath both units of the
duplex there's also a question about why annexations are proposed to be allowed
under this new version of the moratorium they weren't previously in
discussing that with staff um the original reason to not allow
annexations was more of a a messaging and a avoiding confusion issue rather
than a liability issue U not wanting to create a expectation that because you're
annexing you're going to be able to develop your
property but it doesn't create a vested rights problem or ORS 9204 problem for
the city to allow indexations and allowing them would allow for uh some of
these developments to kind of start take these potenti future developments that
start taking those initial first steps towards um being able to develop in the
future when there's capacity to allow it and then finally there's a question
about the language about septic systems this is not changing anything
about when septic systems are allowed or not allowed it's just saying that if you
are in one of those very narrow circumstances where you're allowed to
have a septic system that the moratorium would have apply to you because you're
not impacting the wastewater treatment system
happy to take any other questions um but staff's recommendation is to hold
hearing and uh the new moratorium as presented thank you we'll move ahead to
public testimony uh first I'm going to provide some guidelines to those who may
wish to speak uh first uh public testimony needs to be on the topic of
the public testimony please try to avoid repetition if someone else has already
expressed the same thoughts it is sufficient to state that you agree with
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recorder will let you know when you have 20 seconds
remaining um all right with that I will now call for anyone who wishes to
testify okay see there anyone online yet may I don't see any raised hands all
right let's first go with you Mr Becker just a question reg Becker 14585 Bluff
Road uh I see we're wanting to increase uh the I believe it's EF
efus okay from uh 100 something to 300 will this increase the amount of money
taken in by the city and if so how much I know could that affects your
budget well it will definitely affect the budget because what basically with
this is is more that that's the increase of people that are able to hook into our
was with new developments that are so that will allow more developments to
come developing so yeah I mean the short answer is at some point yes it'll it'll
increase the revenue we have unfortunately the erus that are proposed
in this INE hit our property tax rules for many
many more years so yeah okay I was just just curious because it's more than
double so whatever we're taking in now I would imagine it would then be double
yeah we'll take more in fees it'll increase the property tax you know
Revenue in come up as well okay but also we usually issue about 80 to 120
building permits a year so this 300 is you know could be for the next two years
or so depending on how many applications we get so it's kind of just allowing for
some of the normal building permit issuance that we've had all along no it
just kind of brings up lots of other questions thanks great appreciate it all
right Michael you're up and remember we're talking moratorium for housing
here housing yeah yeah the voucher is $1800 that's what the that's what's on
the plate and that's supposed to pay your rent and part of your electric bill
you know I told him today I want my Bou right here in s the orgon so I'm G to be
P I'm gonna be paying all these fees that I'm seeing and how am I going to do
that on $900 I
ain't you know I want you know and I want to say something about the
Wastewater and stuff I'd like to see you look out of the box and maybe hire an
outskirt first to do your water testing your
asbest all that can be done at Rose City as right now there's licens and
everything ready to go he's doing all the water testing and I think Sandy
needs it I really do I took some samples around Sandy and already ran into the
lab we have a problem with a lot of stuff but I'm not going to bring it up
tonight we can talk get your Construction guy can get a hold of Dan
Hughes over at Rose City lab we can help you out we about the fish the
environment and everything else we can do soil samples and all that Rose City
lab God bless thank you sir appreciate your time all right with that uh I lost
my spot um all right we're to the staff recap and recommendation
Josh the uh moratorium resolution in front of you would enact new moratorium
to align the terms with the consent decree and make the other changes that
are outlined in the staff report and I'm happy to answer any questions you may
have all right thank you I will now call for a motion to close the public hearing
I think a motion to close the public hearing is there a second second motion
by councelor Sheldon a second by councelor baiton to close the public
hearing what do you guys think should vote on this I just got a question for
the record okay when does this if this passes when when does it become affected
immediately that's it thank you assistant memers close public hearing so
all those in favor signify by saying I I oppose n all right motion carries all
right uh we're now on the discussion or additional questions can I make a motion
to adopt yeah I move to adopt resolution 20
23-27 second right there's a motion by councelor Smallwood and a second by
councelor Walker to adopt uh resolution
I post name motion carries all right thank you everybody for that uh moving
ahead guess what I'm doing we're opening another public
hearing 2023-24 at
800m I will now call for any extensions of the hearing
body I'll Now call for any conflicts of interest from the hearing body
all right Kelly you're up with the staff report you want
come so this is kind of the hopefully the final step in a oh I don't know how
many years we've been doing this project um at least three or four years it seems
like um and I'm not going to go into it we really longwinded here because we
just had a work session recently it then went to Planning Commission uh and
they're recommending approval of the ordinance and the tsp that's before you
tonight and with that I'm going to turn it over to consultant Ria with dks
Associates hello see again I just need to get on
Wii I talk uh thanks everyone so so last time you were here now you can only
drive 25 miles per hour everywhere not updated
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else I think she called
you R do you need any help with the slides no I okay I'm going off my phone
see she's been here so many times she's feeling comfortable with
it this Project's been the never ending one I need
to
anybody if you like I can share the slides
too might
I guess I
should I was trying to join meeting
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are quick of people all right how's that everybody hear me see
me all right I just need to share my screen
now this hold on a million
clicks get where I want to go
wonderful all right thanks everyone and you guys have a very full agenda tonight
obviously so I am going to zip really fast through some of the first slides I
think it's Stu you guys know um so as far as our process um
again I'm not going to read all these of you guys have questions but this is a B
list of why we're updating the tsp the current one was adopted in 2009 14 years
old there's a lot of plans um that we need to incorporate and things have
changed a bunch since then um we're looking at addressing
congestion making sure we have a Strategic investment plan um some grants
make sure you guys are set it for Grants and also there's a development code
update that comes with it um here's a quick schedule you can see as Kelly said
we were at the very end feels good to finally be wrapping this up and this
only goes back to September 2020 I did not want to have a wrap around wrap
around wrap around that shows everything that we've been doing so this is just
like yeah the last eight months um of course we've had a bunch of
public Outreach we had a community we've had two Community surveys and then we
also had a table at Futures pest um some input from the surveys this
was what was important to them again I don't I'm not gonna go through all this
but congestion comes up a lot driving comes up a lot safety comes up a lot um
we had asked the community about some high priority projects on the bypass
came up as a top number one and three projects dearco 211 um and then some
connectivity improvements in the southwest part of town and then Highway
21 on its own were several were themes of improvements that people would like
to see so any questions on that I know that was fast but like Kelly said we
just had a work session and I know you all did your homework books all right so
I'm G to jump right into priority projects um again we have nine goals
that we developed everything that we are identifying as a priority are always
reaching back to make sure we're advancing these goals for the
community um here it just shows yeah we work from the vision the goals um we
came up with evaluation criteria looking with all of the issues that we have at
the city you know what are the long list of improvements that we could do and
then again reaching back to those goals what should our Priority Solutions be
and also based on what we can afford which comes up to the funding shortfall
that's probably the theme for tonight what we'll probably talk about the most
um if we take all of our tsp projects they add up to $710
million but to be fair 390 million of that is the bypass and those are all in
today dollars um so if we take just the high
priority projects that came out of our initial screening that's $57
million and looking at the 20-year forecast of Revenue that's coming in and
expenditures that will be going out we roughly have 10.8 million to spend for
yeah and I will get you your questions yeah and I read Kelly sentence me too so
um what we do through the tsp process is we will have two packages of projects
one that we call the financially constrainted project list that's what in
Oregon we call that that's what can we afford with that $10.8 million what is
our priority that we're going to spend on and then everything that's left over
the $710 million we put that on what we call an aspirational project list but I
will clarify um we are required to do this for a tsp just so we are having
conversations about what are our priorities and making sure that we have
a financial lens when we're making that decision but other than that um you can
go after a grant on anything does not matter what list it's on if a
development comes in and they have Frontage improvements or an offsite
impact they will also build that as a mitigation it does not matter what
project or what list that project is on this is just showing that we've given
some Financial thought to what our priorities
are um and then I'll get um councelor Walker's question so what when into our
financial estimate is we worked with the city and we looked at the last five
years of all Transportation Revenue that came in so that's your portion of the
state gas tax right you have a local gas tax um there's a registration fee that
you get from Clackamus County you collect transportation systs and
development charges You've Won grants like there's other things that come in
that to do but then we also subtracted out all the expenditures based on your F
averages which are your maintenance and your personnel and any other
expenditures street lights um all of that gets subtracted
out um so of that 10.8 million most of it over $9 million is what we're
estimating the city will collect with their transportation system development
charges so when we do our 20-year forecast and we estimate what we think
the traffic volumes will be like in the city that's based on some land use
projections the growth in households and jobs um so then we assume that if that
amount of development happened and we apply your system development charges in
today dollars this is how how much we could expect and we know that escalates
over time but so do cost estimates right for all the projects um so yes we're not
spending any of this money on maintenance like we're not stealing
maintenance money that's what councelor walkr asked steal yeah no well we are
not you know using so that was my concern is that you know our road
maintenance fund got depleted the other question I had related to that was um
have we taken out the bond payments for 360 second that's all just funded that's
in its own pocket over here and then you also did have a question and it'll come
up I'll get to in a second but the ODOT so we did ask ODOT for a not a promise
estimate on what they possibly could maybe spend on their facilities in the
city yeah well we know um and they did give us a number is right around a
million dollars um and you will see we do list ODOT as the leading Agency on
all projects that are within their right away because they would have to be the
lead it's their Road um but that doesn't mean there would not be obviously a cost
sharing if there's something that's really important to the city um and ODOT
maybe doesn't think it's as big a priority in the future there would be
you know some sort of cost sharing that we'd have to come up with for though so
that's why they're the lead agency but they are by no way saying we are going
to 100% pay for all those projects so good thank you sure here good
questions nice to know them in advance so I'm just going to go through these a
little quick so these are all of the projects that we are putting on that
financially constrained project list based on conversations I've had in work
sessions with the public um and then with Planning Commission hearing that we
had these were the top of how we would like to spend that roughly one or $10.8
million that we have so uh there's a couple pedestrian projects um they add
up to just under $2 million and they include on 362 doing some sidewalk
infill fairly long can see it's almost a million dollars of sidewalk infill and
then several times um project P3 we've talked about infill of some Pro
sidewalks on Bluff Road as well so those are
included so I guess that's it so any question on the sidewalk infill projects
and then there are quite a few roadway Crossing projects that total up to 1.3
million though the majority of these are covered with a is it still pending Kelly
or have you I haven't applied for it yet oh but you're okay yeah a future safe
rout to school Grant um that the city feels extremely confident that they will
be successful in winning so and and that is included in our re Revenue estimate
as well we're not showing them as funding because we don't 100%
no um but these are not part of the 1.8 we assume they could be funded by the
safe gr safe grats to school money and based on previous conversations with the
council I think it was around the budget hearing
process I believe that's when it was um it sounded like the council wanted
additional considerations for starting some additional conversations with the
school district to find out what their commitment would be towards the project
before I apply for another Grant so I think that's sure that's why I'm not
proceeding at I think those conversations need occur first okay and
you'll see most of these are fairly low cost some are get a little bit higher
but they're all curb extensions marked crosswalks appropriate signing for
crosswalks by school some of them are um like flashing beacons depending on the
condition so it's it's a lot of just traffic calming and yeah Crossing
improvements um around the middle school and around the elementary
school here's some more of them and around the library as well and around
the library as well yep so they have so those are all the cost Crossing projects
any question on
those well the one the um Bluff Road one and so re
reallocate existing roadway space to provide buffered blue bike bike Lanes
which project number sorry I'm sorry C7 okay thank you about the real the space
for bike Lanes on 26 and so that's between Bluff and 36 second is that
right left at 26 wait at 3 C7 right C7 so it's Bluff Road on Bluff Road at at
the highway so not by
3602 says one B by provide buffered or separated bicycle facilities at the
intersection
Crossing for C7 I don't yes in the middle description
part third third line down in the description modernize Cur ex sentence
pedestrian scale lighting oh separate or bicep sorry I now I found it so yes so
are we getting ready of one of the lanes for that stuff
or when I asked somebody else they thought that was that ODOT had come and
said that they were interested in bike Lanes from 26 to 3602 oh well so this is
on Bluff Road right not on the highway so but again at that intersection if
you're planning I mean are you getting rid of one of the turn Lanes or
something to do these bike I don't think so that is not the
intent no no I think it'd be rest striping the lane Lids I think it would
be narrowing the lanes yeah I don't think we we would definitely not be
promoting losing there's not enough Lanes to lose yeah
that's the other project do in Portland is they just get rid of the lane and
paint it green so the the other project you're talking about was something that
ODOT was interested in and I think they even came and spoke before the council
like pre-co and I actually just re-engaged
with them on another project and they didn't mention it again don't re-engage
no it was about something else and they said well we might proceed we might not
who knows so don't bring it up again no we were talking about something
else other issues thank
you and then the next group of project or driving projects that total up to
approximately $7 million I'll go through these a little bit um so D3 is the 26
360 second Drive intersection Improvement that you all know that's um
already through design under construction and that'll be adding that
North Leg um D6 is Highway 2 Le at practor
this one came out I believe through our work session people have commented that
it's really hard for um the Northbound approach the Northbound approach is too
far for the westbound left to turn so it's a it's a very cost- effective
$155,000 to restripe that intersection and make it better for truck
maneuverability um D9 is Highway 2 11 at dearco um which is tied and I'll get to
that it's tied to d27 they're kind of twins together um D9 is the actual
Improvement project we set aside half a million dollar
for an unidentified project there we're not exactly sure what we need d27 is the
project that could do the study um I know this intersection has been a high
priority for Council Planning Commission and the public uh it's pedestrian
Crossing bicycle Crossing vehicle Crossing it's a safety
issue um just the level analysis that we do we've done for a tsp we know in the
future you know it would benefit from a roundabout or it would benefit from a
traffic signal but because of the grades it's not an obvious just plug in and
Improvement in a walk away we don't think um so we would like to study it
more to make sure that we're moving forward with the right improvements and
that that includes um digging in a little bit deeper like with the civil
engineer help and actually taking a look at what it would take to be so the way
this is set up is we could look at it through a study which is project d27 and
then once it's determined this is just a placeholder for $500,000 to cover
whatever type of improvement movement um would come out of that it's a bit of an
estimate right because we don't 100% know what it would be but we want to
make sure because it's a high priority that it is included in our plan so any
questions on that no
okay um and then D let's see d4a 15a um the B rate extension which is
funded the 362 Drive Extension to Bell which is funded
D20 is just um an extension of dearco at 26 um which we we've talked about as
well over the Vista loop let's see some of these are just
Redway connections that are even in the current plan that D21 f is the Village
Boulevard extension which is over by Cascadia Village Drive so we want to
make sure that that collector extension is included um d24 is Highway 211
roundabout at Gunderson I know the city currently has a consultant on board
to start the preliminary design I guess full design of that with the cost
estimate um and if you remember there's some background with the developer
paying some money towards that and yeah you gotta spend a certain amount of
money about a certain amount of time yeah and there's there's ongoing we're
still looking at that it might right now we've identified it as a roundabout but
it might turn out to just be turn Lanes we just don't know yet until we get a
actual official cost estimate yeah but it will be there will be improvements to
the intersection yes now let's see d27 is the study that I
talked about towards 211 dearco and D31 is setting aside a
million dollars for future planning for the bypass to keep that
moving based on I think Council recommendation from an earlier
meeting and that's it for the top driving projects any questions on those
yes please um so like the the dearco road extension you've got 3.9 and but
the the funding source talks about developers and partial SDC credits and
so why would we be including like four a $4 million project that then we would be
but the developers would be paying for or the sdc's would be paying for uh
which projects oh D20 D20 well I will say this
gets a a little bit confusing because we all the the transportation system
development charges will be coming into the city right but then the city does
have to give some credits back when they pay them um but when we typically do a
tsp we don't account for the credits because we don't know what that's going
to be so we're we are trying to keep this somewhat high level and not get to
such a level that we're making so many assumptions on you know decisions that
may not have for 5 10 15 20 years that it's then I don't know we're so off base
I guess so we're trying to keep it high level so we're we just want it to be
shown that it could some of it could be Frontage improvements right depending on
what type of development like if a developer comes in and builds all of it
or it could be Frontage improvements on a collector that already exists we know
that there's going to be some funding by development um but they will also all be
paying their system development charges would also be covering it I I answered
your question all the way but it's hard to have that crystal ball to know
exactly for any of that other than SDC credits yeah uh most
likely not no yeah because they would they'll be constructing
it excuse me they have to construct it to local Street standards and then
anything above and beyond that you you know that then they we have to give them
credit um I think I know what you're asking so there there is a chance that
it will cost less than that yeah and then out of the 10.8 million we'll see
some savings on that one and then that money can be shifted to another project
that's currently not on the this nor yeah that's currently not on the
financial constraint list so I think that's what you're asking correct yeah
the flip side is costs go higher go faster and El skate higher than we were
think yeah that's part of that Crystal bar ball
piece very good question anyone
else okay um there's three safety projects that have been identified um
installing an Adaptive signal system on us 26 uh that would be again we're
expected to be funding by Oda on that one um just extending the Adaptive
signal that you have so that allows the traffic signals to be more responsive to
current conditions and not just run like on a on a timing plan that someone said
this is what Saturday at noon is supposed to look like so when it's
Memorial Day and it doesn't look like a typical Saturday the signal system is
smart enough to react and help people scoot through so that's a that's a good
one for safety because the safety aspect is there's a lot of people either make
bad behavior when there's a lot of congestion and a lot of rear end so it
really helps with that um and then us26 um at tenik Road I believe that also
came from a council Workshop um just some some concerns with traffic near
where all those businesses are all in the driveway so this sets aside some
money to take a look at that in more detail and see if there's something we
need to do either closing driveways consolidating driveways maybe there's a
median or raising access management or something like that there's some
strategies there that could could help with safety so and then the third one um
I think this one's been along the whole time doing a speed zone study on us 26
um on the east side of town so we've set aside some money for that as well where
the city could work with ODOT to get that done and we could see what the
appropriate speeds could be out there especially with you know the new
development that's going to pop out at dearco across from the loop um we're
going to see you know more movements out I think on the east side so it's a
timely study any questions on those that last
part I just oh sorry talked about the the opportunity to to do speed limit
reductions on a much larger basis remember yep like Bluff and stuff yeah
so the state does have a and we've emailed I've been emailing
the staff a little bit about it but the state does have very strict requirements
on how speed limits are set there are statutory speeds that you are allowed to
put up with no study and that is 25 miles an hour below and then 55 or
higher um anything between that so 30 to 50 um if that is the appropriate speed
you have to do a speed study following the state's guidelines and approved by
the state before you can do that but some cities do pass an ordinance that
we're just going to have a statutory speed oh sorry 25 but that wouldn't
affect the Odo facility oh absolutely not this is this would be even if
council did decide to adopt that and all your city streets are at 25 this study
would still be needed because the OD off off facility would be I thought you
asking beyond that yeah both but where but where are we
budgeting maybe it's more directly towards Tyler where are we budgeting to
be able to go through that process and do those studies for key areas in town
there's probably some flexibility within the street fund to do some of those
studies and we're transferring 600,000 of the arbit doll this coming by anym
sort of right siiz that so we need to allocate 2030 $40,000 there just some
studies that say OD does them for free other
than staff time to request them to do it and you have to wait and get in line but
there's no charge for the state to process those so it would be great for
I'm sure Jen I don't know who's off to table for this I'm hoping I'm not uh but
to prioritize um let's allow OD do to do
some and get in line for that for the last priority areas and then maybe we
take on the re the ones that are really concerning for Council to make sure that
we're getting going and prioritizing and getting those done so the the state
won't let you do them yourself unless you go so the rules just changed about a
year or two ago that it used to be the state could only do them now cities are
allowed to do them but you do have to go through like TR like a city staff has to
go through training with the state and then they kind of hold your hand while
you do the first two or three then those get approved and that's to change it
from 35 to 25 yes that's to change from 35 to 25 and then after that you can do
on your own so just to be have the staff
available but is it
is councelor maintenance
volunteered it just takes a long time side down here well there planners it's
a little different than the we're talking 450,000 tax paare dollars versus
not spending anything I think that's pretty sign so that's why I said let's
prioritize right let's allow OD to do the ones that aren't that big of a deal
but if there's some that we feel really intentional about wanting to tackle like
reduce speed on dearco you know um not dearco on 211 right there right like
let's prioritize the ones we feel like is worth us doing that but the ones last
to your point we'll send them OD dos way that's that's what
yeah good yeah all right and this is just the figure showing all the projects
that I just describe so kind of helps geographically to see where they're
at um I did not want to leave out Transit projects um though these reflect
the transit master plan that you all adopted a couple years ago we did want
to make sure that they were included in here um to show that we are looking and
coordinating Transit as one of the important modes that goes with walking
and biking and driving as well so those are all included in here though all of
the funding does not come out of tsp funding Transit as their own
funding and then I did just want to let you know there's a couple changes that
have occurred in the tsp H off the presses today since you guys got your
packet they're pretty minor but I did want to let you know on page 43 we did
add reference to um a Highway 211 to Barker Road proportionate share fee that
you may be familiar with the city um has collected or is going to be collecting
from a couple developments so we wanted to make sure
that was noted as a fun funding source in the TS well as one of the things that
funds Transportation that's not included in the 10.8 to be clear and it is clear
in the text um and then it's also a part of appendix L within the
tsp and then on page 47 um and on page 48 we just for that D9
project and that d27 project with both referred to Highway 21 dearco the
improvements and the evaluation we just made some updates to the description and
the cost estimate to make sure that those were clear as well Bally the text
just got a lot longer because people were a little bit confused by how the
two went together so I know you guys haven't seen this
before do you have any questions do you have any questions about the
proportionate share fee that I'm mentioning I know I've talked the
Planning Commission about it but and just so you know part of the reason
these were out at the last minute is because of a meeting that we had last
week with a developer who will be paying this fee yeah so we just wanted to have
extra Clarity to the coverage for the future so you guys can collect your fees
as as we would like any questions on that and we do we
have updated the TS so there is a new version that includes all of this we
have tonight okay that's G to be stashed established where in our website I
suppose so people can see it so we can access it so all these changes uh that
rear talking about I think they're all included in the packet that are and then
yeah once it's adopted hopefully it's adopted tonight and then we will put it
on the website okay all the corrections in there it'll be it'll be the corrected
version correct all right and then um as part of
the tsp update we had a subc consultant um Mig that was working with us on
making sure that the development code was up to Snuff and was consistent with
anything that was coming out of the tsp for recommendations um so they did a
pretty detailed look at any anything transportation related and tsp related
um they wanted to make sure they were eliminating any discrepancies because
there was some language in that between sdc's and the updated tsp so that was
fixed um they also put some more multimodal objective and recommendation
language in there to make sure you're getting the improvements that you
want um eliminating vague and subjective language that's always important right
we want to make sure that the terminology and the tsp is the same in
the in the development code um and then yeah just ensuring future transportation
is supported by the plan transportation system making sure like all the
standards match um and then with that just letting
you guys know that there's an SDC amendment that you guys will be seeing
in the future you'll be looking at if you want to increase your rates for
transportation um after the tsp is adopted we have an updated project list
okay wait so you say
SDC so so this has caused a lot of confusion right starts with an S sorry
you're right yeah so we could say SMC which is Sandy municipal code in the
future I agree I
think two different two different the plan yeah they wrote this
slide not me Transportation related code amendments will be coordinated with
future code amendments for housing related modifications yeah and you guys
are going to see a pack in on that in the fall but I was also true that you
guys are update your transportation system development charges now that you
have a new project and so when does that happen uh this year they you're working
with yeah we're under contract yep soon as I get this adopted and we got us all
set we can move forward on that and with that that's
it thank you thank you so much we'll move to public testimony
now um yes yes sir we're almost there uh I got to read some guidelines first
please try avoid repetition if someone else has already expressed the same
thoughts is sufficient to state that you agree with the statements of a previous
speaker even if that's all you say if you have
documents um Maps or letters that you wish have considered by the body they
must be formally be placed in the recording of This proceeding to do that
either before after you speak email your materials recorder c. sandy. or. us and
staff will make sure your evidence is properly processed all right here's the
public testimony opportunity if you're online please click the raised hand
button in order to testify if you're through the phone dial Star 9 to raise
your hand if you're here in person physically raise your hand if you wish
to testify yes sir uh one second is anybody online I don't see any raising
all right Michael you get three minutes here on the topic of uh our trans
transportation system plan and you get a 20 second warning when you're done
my name is Mike Jens if you go down here right out of the out of here you go past
those donuts and you go into that intersection now you're heading down the
hill to go down to the park does everybody know where I'm
at okay that part is the most dangerous part of this whole Mountain over here me
crossing right there is bad now down the street
I've been hit and run by going in to the Gateway bar to
the back end over there I got hit and RAM knocked in the
ditch with this dog got a $500 bill for my bet bill and I got I've been through
[Music] surgery the mountain going down the
trash cans you got to find a better place for them from from Thursday
Wednesday through until they're empty and then it's another two days so that's
four days out of the week I have to go out in the street with my dog to come up
the mountain I can't move all them trash cans that needs to be
approached crossing over there from
McDonald's or by Mark
over you have to go all the way
down go across and then come back up and get onto the
bus that's all difficult problems there the handicap
ramp over here it's coffee shop if I don't have my dog I can't get up and
that's code I like you to look at the code some
of them we can't the there spots like going over
here at the transit center going from up from where the bus is up to the bathroom
sidewalks all tore up and there's multiple spots in the city that you can
and I would be willing for the city to walk with whoever wants to go and see
how a handicap has to get through the city that's all I got to say God bless
our street that we live on over there has
probably 14 children on it living on the street up on the corner where the bus
stop is there's it's not safe they come
whipping up whipping down there's not no there needs to be more signs for these
bus stop deals and they need a bike path out of
there 20 seconds I'm good thank you Micha yes
sir all right any other public
testimony all right I'll Now call for the staff recap and recommendation yeah
I I will comment on a few uh things that the um public testimony just covered
um I do agree that there's some sidewalks that need to be repaired
throughout Town um and that will be one of the things we're going to be looking
at when we have the new code enforcement specialist I've already noted a few um
it's just going to take time to go through those right left s and then
follow through with enforcement as you can imagine sidewalk
replacement is actually one of the hardest code enforcement violations to
tackle because it's timec consuming and expensive so but it is it is on our
radar end list so thanks for the comments on that uh I did want to point
out a couple other things that were brought up there um right over here from
Joe's Donuts down the street to mik park I do agree that that is not done
properly and that will be when the pad town homes go in which we're still
working with them on their plan revisions I just talked to the developer
today actually when that goes in that's going to all be fixed at that point so
that is in the works and I I'm hopeful that that will happen in the next year
or two uh and I do agree it's not a good situation
um the one other thing I will comment on is the crossing at Bart and
Industrial that is something I think we it is worth looking into more um I've
actually noticed that myself when I was jogging around town during covid that
the cross walk over the along the highway actually is on the opposite side
of the street than the transit bus stop correct so it is it is actually
something it it was a really good comment and it's it was on my radar two
years ago and then it fell off and so that's something we will talk to Odon
about there's one other thing on that stretch right there if you go where the
pizza parlor is the sidewalk in there on this
side there's no sidewalk so I got caught on my wheelchair my dog
at the end of the sidewalk and we had to go across against traffic up there I'm
physically blind that's why I have a service dog that's all I gotta say look
into that area too please and and the one last thing I will say that that just
uh reminded me when we did do the walkability study in downtown Sandy I
think you're a part of that curl um when we did do that we actually did have
people with both physical impairments and vision impairments go along with the
walking group group and that's some of the recommendations that actually made
it into that document which are being adopted as part of the tsp so we we did
do that in our downtown at least so um with that I the only other thing I would
say along the lines of a staff recap is that I would just recommend approval of
the ordinance all right thank you Kelly I'll Now call for a motion to close the
public hearing make a motion to close the public hearing for a second second
motion by councelor Sheldon a second by councelor hson to close the public
hearing all those in favor signify by saying I I
oose Naes public hearing is closed at 8:38
p.m ready for yeah I'm ready motion yeah I'd like to make a motion that we adopt
ordinance 2023-24 would you like a first
reading so good Jeff but read fast very short one may this is ordinance
2023-24 an ordinance adopting the 2023 city of Sandy transportation system all
those in favor of the first reading signified by saying I I I oppose ma
motion carries can I get a second Reading Please Miss mayor this is
ordinance 2023-24 an ordinance adopting the 2023
city of Sandy transportation system plan I will call for a motion to approve
this one so motion to approve the second reading I'll make a motion to second is
there a second second I motion by councelor Walker second by councelor
exner to adopt the second reading all those in favor signif by saying
iOS nay motion carries thank you everybody thank you Kelly your team than
thank all right oh my goodness gracious where's my agenda all right report from
the city manager appreciate
it all right got a couple exciting talk about tonight you know my my one meeting
record of sub two hours is now shot so I'll just take up the next 20 minutes or
so anything
else just a reminder that we have the longest day Parkway this Thursday 6:30
bstone park hopefully we'll see you all there um similar you know setup as we've
had in the past passports and trying to get everyone every Booth to talk to all
the Departments and staff that we have here and learn about what we do when we
have to offer you really goingon to wear a b shirt I
Amar tonight really all right t-shirts
though and I will not be cooking no you'll be getting stunned by
these that's right come on by all right so we haven't been to this particular
event before where do you want us and when so there is
a um you have as much of a roles you would like to have but yes there's a
role so there's a admin SL counil section hot dogs ice cream to I man the
barbecue I'm sorry what time does it start starts at
6:30 get closer to
5king there there's SP for people to volunteer yeah I do the I do the
barbecue there's somewhere to there's usually ice cream to hand out Carl's
usually hanging out with the bees Lorie's usually with uh the firefighters
I don't think and then we're also the end of
We're the end of the passports so if you want to be in the raffle that you can
but if there's there's also if there's a say Department that you know you want to
go hang out at you can go hang out at that Department's area or go over to
ours it's a good event yeah
um reminder that we do not have a council meeting on July 3rd city office
is closed on the 4th obviously for the holiday um so no meeting on third got
the Fourth of July fireworks all scheduled and ready to go thanks to
Melle and Carol and that team down there permits Chief G support
it as far as I know okay um don't look at
me I did did you notice that be a different chief on July 4th
and that week really kicks off the whole Mountain Festival uh event so we'll have
the parade on Thursday um if any of you are interested in partaking in the
parade and haven't reached out to Jeff or relle team yet please do
so there be a Grand Marshall at the front I know the mayor's planning on
being at the front that was my understanding but if you'd like to you
know tag along with the city Department we'll have that option available too
feel free to nuts with candy nuts with candy exactly
and then let's see shout out to Greg thanks um you know we had the some
homelessness issues next to the library with potential Wi-Fi problems he spent
his time uh yesterday sort of rebuilding the Wi-Fi network so to speak so we're
hopeful that that issue has been resolved we'll to test it out and make
it stop maybe on the way home tonight to see if the Wi-Fi is working or not but
um we we heard the concern from the council members and took that seriously
so thank you PR for making that a priority this week and then last but not
least um the the special service contract program um some of you may be
familiar with that it's a grant program that a couple nonprofits are recipients
of and it's going to be that time again for a review for those
applications last time the panel was mayor polio counselor Walker and
counselor exner going to keep the same panel or would you like to change things
what was it for again the special service contract program that require
some sort of report out from those beneficiaries of those grants yeah so
the old program guidelines were Loosely followed I think we sort of uh the
council had a desire to tighten those up and have an annual report provided I
could check in on the status of those reports to see where things are at the
stat it's almost ready for distribution to the city council so you will have
that in hand before it's time to reports
that's and that's it for me all right thank you sir thank you H Don uh just
want to say a recommendation that maybe we pull
um board appointments out of the consent agenda moving forward just so we can
recognize those people who bothered to take the time to apply and go through
the interview process and get selected and we can give them more you know
thanks uh especially if they choose to attend at the beginning of the meeting
potentially so if any of those die hards are actually listening tonight I just
want to say thanks for the sandy net uh people who interviewed and uh are
willing to to join that board second item I I was it was
interesting to listen to Mike here talk about
his his issues with Mobility around town given that we've talked about the tsp so
many times and it's it's just interesting what that difference set
eyes will point out that we might have missed or or frequently Miss and so uh
thank you for that and en you guys count a wheelchair and a service dog going
down the road and I but hang on not not your time right now but it's all right
but I want to thank you for bringing those things up and as you encounter
other difficulties to make sure that you politely make the city office aware of
them yes sir thank you that's it uh there's been a number of fixes
going on lately in the city some of that's odot's responsibility and some of
that is ours and I just wanted to recognize the fact that all that is
going on and uh there's been a little bit of communication issues there but by
and large I was very impressed by both sets of contractors they seem to be very
earnestly trying to do the job right I appreciate that sometimes contractors
are not the most polite people we seem to be getting the right folks
this time uh one thing that uh I know this is going to be the Public Works
aren't here tonight so I noticed that the islands in front
of John O Scott and the four service are needing mowing we do such a great job
right there where the old waterfall is and it looks such a beautiful piece of
part of the Sandy and and you just go a block and a half and you see all these
sedes we really need to mow those relatively more often um and in the mode
of looking good I noticed today I was at the library and on the west side of that
a lot of the beams are really starting to look rough and not only is it a rough
look but it's also tough on the maintenance of it to be able to
longterm you're going to end up being more expensive if we don't treat them
relatively often and I do know as an old property manager if you don't keep your
building up and running clean cleaned up with the bird poop and all the rest of
things that are there you're going to get people disrespecting it and I know
that some of our um folks who like to Camp there maybe that's part of the
reason why they think that is a place to do that uh same thing with our city and
um police station I know that we put that in the budget to paint that puppy
and I think that's really time that we should hopefully get that soon it's in
the budget yep I I know it's in the budget I just like to see it get done
and that's
it I didn't talk about art
tonight I don't much I just um you know with regards to
the laws that are getting passed uh and and what that does to our city I hope I
think we all have a common goal up here to make sure that we have a diversity of
housing of high medium and low housing and some affordable housing and things
like that I think we all want that I think what worries me is that when we
have no ability to control that I really want to see us push our push Consultants
to give us some tools to um you know how to word code to achieve
that that common interest you know to follow the the guidelines but also give
us you know protect some of the things that we want to protect and not have
high density everywhere in our city because that's not what people moved
here so I hope we can continue to kind of uh work with those
ums that coming down a bonus it's a bonus man that that got you
going 200% yeah you ever get a bonus of 200% on your salary or anything
I want to Echo what Don said about the boards and stuff I think that's a great
idea so thank you for bringing that up and I think it's very welld deserving um
the Carl kind of stole the median thing but I do notice even like around dearco
and stuff uh some of those meetings are kind of high get the bushes of grown a
little bit and it's to the point I'm not so big on it but it actually affects you
um and so especially as cars are coming up grass gets higher it's hard to see
cars and with kids and stuff out at school now and stuff I think it's
extremely
critical um that's really all I have looking forward to Summer
cool uh Parks Board met last week uh talked mostly about the Community campus
Park uh put a task force together for Park
naming and uh park for and then also I believe they'll be moving forward with
the uh with Trail it'll be funded Grant funded so lots of good stuff going on
over there so that's that thank you did not have a Planning Commission meeting
but the last one I had we did the tsp which came T today so that was done and
then Economic Development was last week um and we took the Strategic plan and
prioritized projects to start moving forward with that were approved and then
the only other thing I have that wasn't really answered maybe Tyler can give me
an answer because of the delayed
um votes on agency budgets um our Wastewater project yeah
where where are we at on that is it has it been pushed to September like
everything else or are they going to stream mind it you're in the the next 10
days do we know and and then in either case do we
have a proactive plan of reaching out to keep that message alive for for S
because I saw I saw Nell's email last week and I was just I didn't hear
anything about what we were doing about it just to know if
I oh that's part my report the f are you good yeah okay TR be returning
that um all right couple things is I'm going to be one is thank you to Don and
Rich for working together with me and Jeff thank you Jeff on the council rules
um and so we'll either be having that in I think we decided to probably put that
on the city council meeting agenda instead of a work session because
there's quite a bit of consensus around it um but we'll be able to talk and
amend and talk about whether we want to adopt it or not and then we'll we'll
look to adopt it rather than take up whole work session of course this
Council knows we can table things you know to a future meeting if it's not
right where we want it to be but we feel good there was a lot of consensus should
be pretty straightforward uh the other is um you thank you Josh for the memo
that you distributed out late last week to Council on some of the housing
different issues uh let's make sure that everybody kind of takes an opportunity
to absorb that I think it was about nine pages so there's a lot there um but I
will be looking at schedule work session to kind of bring everybody's heads
together on that um there's a lot of U Mo there a lot of what you can't do and
even some of what we can do isn't really that feasible to do uh but there are
some items in there for discussion I think uh that would be good for us to
touch base on um and then the other thing I'd like to have a work session
coming up on is government relations and so that kind of gets to um legislative
session will be ending I believe on Sundays the 25th uh that's
constitutionally mandated um the Capital Construction
committee did meet uh this morning they're not done there's a lot of things
that go towards the end it's not looking great um for our ask um I think there's
a variety of things around that um mostly um
political you know we had with the Senate walk out and uh some of the
things that are surrounding that in the flow of session and somewh our
representation our representation involvement and some of those things um
uh and I I think in the work session we want to do some reflection on our ask on
the size of our ask and we saw kind of the size some of the projects that are
looking like may get funded or more kind of the
five to eight million Range 14 for a variety of reasons which kind of buck to
the side they really staffed for agency budgets uh quite a bit this last time um
um but yeah that'll be something we want to reflect on but the other thing I want
to talk about with government relations is is what we're going to how we're
going to utilize our consultant uh in the meantime uh both for preparing uh
for legislative ass that maybe in a short session as well as a coming long
session I think there's a lot um to do at the county level especially with
implementing some of our transportation system plan goals with the broader
County transportation system um that's going on and then the other thing I
wanted when session's over I wanted to utilize nellon something I wanted to
kind of get your guys' feelings on um Lori uh let me in about a week ago she
additionally serves on the board uh for the Sandy Community uh action center and
there's an issue going on with the action center right now uh with the
Oregon food bank uh the Oregon food banks who provides the food uh to the
Sandy Community Action Center they have not received a food delivery in over
three months almost three months almost three months that goes out to some of
our folks most at me um my understanding is kind of what occurred was is that
there was an audit of facility that found uh two things one was that they
were selling peanuts at the front door for how much it was basically I can give
you a quick I almost gave an update so so there was either a complaint from a
person shopping or we had a kind of a surprise visit I kind of tend to think
it was a surprise visit um and a volunteer had set some stuff out and
some things were being sold so the center made maybe
$100 the other issue was that a staff member was
asked if the action center uses IDs and the person said well I maybe have asked
for an ID once Oregan food bank took that and has run to the wall with it and
so they put us on a 90day suspension that 90-day suspension uh during that
time they have also cut off all food to the action center from Fred Meyer
Grocery Outlet um Starbucks because the organ food bank has gone and got in
Partnerships with all these places so the biggest thing we've we've been able
to find vendors in other places but we cannot find any proteins and so we have
people who cannot get any meat right now um despite our best efforts multiple
Communications multiple meetings uh we are getting a complete and total
runaround from the people who are supposed to be helping us at the organ
to advance from mixed messages to every time we meet it's a different set of
parameters of what we must do to get thees of the ordered food bank um we
have now met with I think five we're I think staff member number six we're
still getting nowhere so now we're starting to go to their board of
directors I ask Stan to potentially get um the governor's office involved in
this um we've got some board members who would like to start talking to the media
it's I mean it's really out of control what bothers me the most is that uh
they're taking punitive action against the action center it's actually hurting
we have 600 people that rely yeah and so and so that's what it's hurting over
that we may have asked for an ID and so it's just it's
very it's just it's really a bad situation so I have some connections in
government Nelly has some connections that I don't have government and what
I'm asking to do is basically spend about a week and not a lot of time but
really to kind of brainstorm with Nelly see who we can proactively who she knows
who I know that we can kind of reach out to in the governor's office and other
places that have an in at the Oregon uh food bank to kind of try to leverage
just to get it moving a little bit to get some deliveries going to the action
center for our community is everybody okay with me utilizing our lobby
representation to do that after because I have some tactical okay have we
already reached out to the board of directors yeah I mean we're we're have
you st no no well you mean that of the Oregon food bake well that's what I kind
of wanted so we both kind of run those I know some of them and Nell know some of
them so I wanted to kind of just divy it up with her so yeah I mean I know
because you know sometimes when you go to the governor's office that's kind of
like going over everybody's head and you know then yeah you want to start lower
before we go there yep I hear you and I'm sure you probably have yeah and I
don't disagree but we're at we started here and we' we've gone up the food
chain and it's it's the same song and dance so um you know and it's it's to
the point words I I don't yeah I'm I'm past frustrated so I'm ready to
actually look to get out of our partnership with the Oregon food bank on
a permanent basis if it were up to me that's where we would be it's not solely
up to me so um it's it's just ridiculous so we'll do a little bit of work on that
thank you for that really appreciate it um and then remember Thursday is going
to be a lot of fun uh make sure I will as well but it feels like I I love like
the preemo you know is where how things are all going to land and where to plug
in it's really buttoned up you're doing a great job organizing it so uh that's
all I have thanks everybody appreciate it thanks