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all our joint work session to
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RO it is that's F I'm happy too isn't it
a joint work or are we not we didn't

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label it that way oh okay our work
session with a few invited guests who

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happen to be our planning
Commissioners uh je you please call the

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RO sure uh c ma pres coun small here
councel here here

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c c hson mayor Pam here thank you for
that Jeff um I'm gonna go through our

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city council meeting agenda for tonight
uh please throw out any questions or

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changes uh for staff to
address um so we don't have anyone

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signed up yet for um public comment
tonight um we do we will have a response

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to a public comment for Mr Bill Lesley
uh his last public comment that we'll be

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addressing tonight on our consent agenda
we have our city council meeting minutes

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from our June 5th and June 12th meeting
minutes we have an adoption of financial

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sustainability plan and parks and uh for
par plan for Parks and Recreation sandet

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Advisory Board appointments request for
street closures and exclusive use of

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minic Park to the 2023 Mountain
Festival loan authorization on drinking

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water transmission line design contract
Amendment for leeway engineering

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Solutions on representative Services as
well as the adoption of the city manager

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recruitment position profile and hiring
procedures under new business we have

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three public hearings this evening one
for a 2023 24 Master Fee and

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charges uh public hearing for the
revised moratorium raising limit on new

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Wastewater connections and a public
hearing to adopt our transportation

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system plan we'll then wrap up our
evening with a report from our city

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manager and our committee and Council
reports with that let's go ah and get

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this work session going on our clear and
objective code audit

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yeah okay clear and objective code audit
Tyler you want to get kick started yeah

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I will just turn it over to Kelly really
quick and let you introduce the

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presenters that we have tonight and yeah
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city council was the one that decided to
fund this project and and made it kind

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of a goal moving forward to take a
closer look at our code and make sure

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it's clear and objective and make sure
that different Master plans are properly

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incorporated into the code um as you'll
remember we were getting some challenges

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from different land use applicants uh
and their attorneys uh to highlight a

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few shayle Meadows Bon Terrace I think
they've used PD was in there as well um

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so with that the city council decided to
fund uh this project and we've been

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working closely with
uh Mig APG um and Kate and Kathy and

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they've been a tremendous resource and
just been doing a lot of the heavy

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lifting and uh myself and a few of the
planners that were here a few months ago

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were assisting with that um and we've
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support and uh kind of detailed analysis
from our City attorney as well on some

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of the heftier subjects that are kind of
difficult to interpret or hard to

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analyze for what we need to do with
those different code sections so I want

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to thank Josh for really being there and
helping out a lot during this project um

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and with that I'm going to turn it over
to Kate and Kathy and let them kind of

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introduce themselves again and go
through the uh go through the slideshow

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for the work session perfect thank you
welcome thank you thank you for having

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us here I'm Kev I'm a principal with
mapg and I'm Kate Rogers I'm a senior

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planner
so we have a presentation tonight and uh

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we will be of course if you do have
questions uh feel free to interrupt us

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we'll keep this informal and uh just
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received a very large packet of
information um and so this is intended

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to be an overview of that and just kind
of get the conversation started um so oh

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and yes can you hear me okay better now
right thank you um great so with that um

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I'll take the first
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meeting is to um give you a very and
again keeping this very high level uh

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just a little bit on the maybe a
reminder even on the project background

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and purpose uh a status you know what
we've accomplished so far uh and then a

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high level overview of the public review
draft that's the packet the large packet

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you received and we had um as you
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think there's some key issues decision
points that we'd like to talk about and

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then just very briefly next steps so
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slide so again on the next slide thank
you sorry section break there so the

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project purpose and you may recall this
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primary project uh purpose has been to
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19737 requirement that uh a government
adopt and apply only clear and objective

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standards conditions and procedures to
the of housing now there are exceptions

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to that for some historic districts um
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necessarily prude two track system so if
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you can also offer a flexible or
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the applicant has to be able to choose a
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development of housing so that was the
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important thing and it's the last point
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um should not cannot uh discourage
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and delay um and so next slide as we
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going along and working on it with staff
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other amendments um that came about
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law and also um because the timing
worked well to coincide with your

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transportation system plan there are
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out of that Pro process that are now
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able to sort of pull those in um as well
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that were either identified by City
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whenever you crack open a code you're
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I like well you know let's pick those up
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99% of the Amendments that are in front
in that packet in front of you as you're

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reviewing that those are going to be to
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code issues I have a question I was
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night I don't ask it now um so for a
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right it's at the right verbage and we
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anymore um I'm just I'm fixating on her
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have to give a developer at the very
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about that or thought that through so
like not that we have those available at

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this time but could we potentially have
a clear objective path and then like a

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planned development path that would then
kind of so I could see as a developer

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maybe I'd want i' forgo the clear an
objective so I could have the more of

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the flexibility that comes with a plan
development possibly but as a city I

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might like that more now because with
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makes this over here maybe more
appealing to us so you that's kind of a

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move we that's one way to do it exactly
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um have like a like a plan development
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individual adjustments to the standards
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you have to meet all the standards if
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standards you request an adjustment to
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that second track either kind of on a
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approach so you'd have to really kind of
incentivize that second track to get

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somebody off of the cleared objective
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again that you know there's a balancing
because how strict the clear and

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objective tract is that flexible tract
looks more or less appealing for the

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individual developer right so there's
some tradeoffs there thank you it just

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was a concept I
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guess uh also just wanted to not like
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something that come up as a prev
you know area of Interest which is the

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dark orn opportunity that as a part of
this project so that

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one let's see thank you oh um and then
uh yeah thank you great so uh just

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wanted to highlight what we've
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um major accomplishment was getting that
huge packet of code amendments to you um

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um it's it's okay that door has to stay

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Moment sorry about that oh no problem
okay yeah it's fine okay yeah um so with

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regard to the schedule you know we've
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working with staff City attorney working
through these amendments we come through

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multiple internal drafts trying to get
them dialed in before they came to you

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um and you know we've been doing other
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staff and so forth in different
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Amendments made sense for everybody so
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you um and you that's definitely a major
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bit about the next steps at the end but
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with that this uh this is noted and the
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Commission work session in the grp a few
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Commissioners um with that I'll just
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on um and the um thank you uh so the
overview and Kate I'm gonna hand this I

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think off to you to cover the questions
just quickly noting for the overview

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again it's huge package we realize that
I mean it's a lot to go through most of

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those changes um are what we would call
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know hear us say it a lot what we tried
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an applicant that would walk in the door
today they were expecting a certain kind

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of ability to develop uh a certain
intensity and you know the height

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setbacks the general amount type of
development that they can do today that

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while the rules as far as like maybe
under go a discretionally processed to G

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or standards are
discretionary it's housing the rules are

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clear and objective but the same general
outcome is expected so that's what we're

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trying we're not trying to necessarily
this isn't an opportunity to radically

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change the you know height set back the
fundamentals of the zoning

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it's it was intended to
um just get the standards that you have

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clear an objective so you may see things
that you're like oh w could change that

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this is this is not the project to do
that because we really haven't sold it

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to the community as that right we're
trying to say this is trying to stay

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true to what you have today and get a
clear and objective so may see if things

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that you want to revisit and that's okay
we can note those but you know again

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it'll be a decision with the council
that we're not looking at policy changes

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exactly exactly for the for the most for
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part that's the caveat yeah exactly
happens and you'll see that in the

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questions that have when sometimes when
you ask or when you try to convert

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something to Cle objective stand you
have to make a choice right and so there

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are sometimes they're they're small and
again we're trying to keep it as true to

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policy mutal as you can not to make a
policy change but there are choices that

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sometimes have to be made and we'll talk
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important ones that are still um needing
some you know would' like to

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so with that yeah yeah than Kathy yeah
can go to the next slide please um so

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yeah I'm just G to talk through the we
have eight kind of policy questions that

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we have for you all that are where you
all have um really decisions to make

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about um potential changes and what what
is allowed or what type of Standards

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apply to um a certain type of housing a
certain type of development that would

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cause potentially different outcomes
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and give current code so so so I'm sorry
I just G have to ask a question real

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quick sure
because you know for example this this

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is the first one but it's like
um it like under the C1 Zone my

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understanding or or the C3 zoning that
multifamily uh was allowed on top of and

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now we're saying it's doesn't have to be
on top of and so what I see that

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happening then is that basically you
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and eight acres is apartments and two
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that's a huge change in what we're going
to get as far as we want our commercial

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to be commercial because we need
commercial and instead we're going to be

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flooded with Apartments so that is a
huge policy change no that's that's

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actually not so the C2 currently says
housing has to be above the C3 General

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commercial Village commercial
as you remember with B run Terrace it

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can be behind beside or above and so
that's I think that's the policy

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question they're getting to here on this
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multif family no it's it's allowed right
now on top yeah C1 uses roow houses D

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it's a conditional it's a conditional
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conditional use and we we can't have it
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longer so this is all pressured by
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right this is not something no you want
to explain that Kathy yeah so again this

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is this is um not necessarily related to
midd housing right this is applying to

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for example a multi family and so this
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standards so the the challenge is so
right now we have a housing type so

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multi family housing that is not
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so Standalone multif family
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it's a minor conditional use in C3 what
state law tells us so we understand it

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is that if you're going to allow a
housing type at all you have to allow it

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through a clear and objective track so
it could be allowed

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outright uh but it can't be the only way
to get to the housing type can't be

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through conditional
use so you got a choice now you could

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say well fine we're not going to allow
it at all right or we're only going to

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allow it above we're not going to allow
it because again this is multif family

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that is not contained within a
commercial building so if it's

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maintained within a commercial building
that's different so the just so clarify

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the condition right now is that it has
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of the commercial not the condition the
the permitted outright use is that it

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can be above there's another use listed
in the C1 for standalone multip family

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without commercial without commercial
and we can't we either have to as K will

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explain we either have to remove it from
the code or we have to move that to a

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permitted use which I doubt you'll want
to do as a group okay I'm not seeing

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multif family in the C1 except for a
conditional use exactly that's what

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that's what they're saying yeah so so we
need to get rid of all the conditional

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use is kind of what I'm understanding
right right that can't be the only path

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for Housing Development type of housing
devel I just want to make sure but we

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also have the option of not allowing it
at all exactly yeah so that's the that's

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the decision that's the direction we
want for you all tonight and that's

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that's actually what's recommended in
the in the draft amendments in your

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packet um yeah so it's a conditional use
today stand when again we're talking

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Standalone multi family it's a permitted
use if it's part of a mixed use

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development either above or beside or
behind a commercial use um and so on the

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next slide are kind of the three
potential approaches to addressing this

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section sorry put Z that's that's the
map just to point out where those zones

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are so the recommended option which is
refed in the draft amendments in your

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packet is to um to actually eliminate um
Standalone multifam and conditional use

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so basically would only be allowed in
the C1 and C3 zones as part of a mixed

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use development so that would address
the concern that you had where you know

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you could have a whole property taken up
by just multi family development so it

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have to be part of a mixed use
development so that that is the

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recommendation um and again the sort of
alternative to that would be to create a

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new clear and objective path to approval
for Standalone multif family if you

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wanted to encourage multif family
development in those zones you could

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allow it um and you would have to
establish a new set of you know criteria

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and standards to permit that use um and
I guess I just wanted to highlight that

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um and you may have noticed it m but a
few of these are going to change the

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uses that are permitted for those
propagators and that is going to trigger

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poten measure 56 noce um and so that
always raises questions in the community

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what does this mean and why is that
happening that I guess we wanted to

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highlight that's one of the reasons this
particular item is in front of you is we

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have a recommendation it's in the draft
that you have in front of you but it's

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an important one and it will be one that
might get some conversation

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going Kelly we have a complete
Standalone multif family in the SE one

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right unpleasant what's that
one residential compound I forget the

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side stream yeah we do we do have a few
yeah you're correct we have um so we

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would be we have at least one or two on
beers and we have and we have at least

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one or two on Hood
Street okay right um and they were all

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they were either approved through the
conditional use permit process like the

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one on Hood was just put in my like six
years ago or they might there's a few of

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them that might
predate zoning code I think one of them

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that um is owned by Mr fleshman might
predate the zoning code because it's

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probably from the
60s um so what would that become then

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would they that be a conditional or no
what would happen is in the future if

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you went with what staff's recommending
is it would have to be entirely

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commercial or it would have to be
commercial with residential associated

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with it but it wouldn't be able to be
just pure residential anymore what does

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that do to the current owner than that
complex to do not do when would this

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impact we would have to put it as a
non-conforming existing non-conforming

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use and they would only not be able to
rebuild if an x amount of like 80% or

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more of it was destroyed during a fire
burn down it wouldn't re un unless we

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have given exemptions to that as well so
it's a possibility they can still

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rebuild it
good chance fair amount of those are

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gonna especially the new one on hood are
going to stay there for quite some

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time yeah yeah the one on Hood six years
old that's gonna be there for a good

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years for long but I'm thinking of some
others that have got some age on them

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there's a pretty old one on Hood right
next to the new daycare center that is

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in pretty bad
shape uh can you just explain to me what

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um understand vertical mixed use we
describe what horizontal mixed use

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is uh just like commercial here and then
Apartments attached to

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it okay so horiz
yeah yeah I'm trying can you give me an

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example of what one would look like I
can't picture anything like that yeah

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there's not many good examples out there
not locally in Sandy at least

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um it's more often on a larger
development site where you have space

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for say a commercial P but then maybe in
the back you have you know multifam they

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behind the
commercial home is 21st

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21st retail up front commercial retail
up front and then around the sides of

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the condos might see that more like a
village like a

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village is is togate togate

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has live at toate I don't know that's a
that's actually a good question Carl

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that that might be on a separate lot
though could not live next to they're

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not
and not and on a separate I've never

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lived there okay just

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so so Kelly going back to the buildings
that we were talking about before Rich's

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question if those buildings
sold would they then fall under the new

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code or would they be under the code
they're they're under they're

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non-conforming and that runs with land
longevity that runs with the land it

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doesn't run with the owner okay
correct and we you know just so you know

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we have other if you go to our
non-conforming use section 1708 there's

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other things in there
um that once were allowed in different

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zones and have been removed and now
they're just existing nonconformities

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so just so I understand all the uses
that so because you're talking about

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everything um Hood Pleasant all those I
mean it's a huge area that you've got

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that map you know the pink area I mean
it's every can you show that yeah it's

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that whole thing south of the Big Green
you know it's it's everything and so

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what
are are we saying that also is allowed

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you know
duplexes uh single family attached all

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that that's permitted use right
now under C1 I'd have to pull up the

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zoning code yeah just permitted uses
duplexes single attached single detached

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blah blah blah yeah but most of those if
if you keep reading it says comma or not

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a comma sorry it says like single
attached existing prior to adoption of

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this code so that's that's a great case
of an existing use that wouldn't be

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allowed today but they're already built
and we continue to allow them so nothing

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none of those would be allowed
at no this has nothing to do with single

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family homes they're already not allowed
in the C1 we don't allow new single

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family homes this is only for multif
family hous okay so what I'm trying to

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picture is what does this area look like
after all this gets done and what I'm

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hearing is that whole Pink Zone in there
is nothing but commercial with

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multifamily above it no we're not saying
that well assum assuming it all gets

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eventually developed out to what it was
zoned as no I would say the majority of

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it will just be commercial and there'll
be some Lots with commercial with

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residential you guys are saying the same
thing I would say the majority because

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of how financing works with mixes I'd
say the majority will not be commercial

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with but I get but you saying just want
to make sure everything in that area is

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either commercial or Comm or that mixed
use commercial with commercial with the

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multif family directly attached to it
it's one those two things nothing else I

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mean I'm not saying that's great I'm
just saying my concern is that like

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y'all don't y'all kind of took away all
the parking requirements and and so

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there's been this just big push to do
Apartments as we saw in beer uh Deer

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Point or bull run or whatever it's
called and so you know they don't they

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didn't really like the commercial they
wanted to do the multif Family

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Apartments and so given that's my
understanding of what the market is then

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I see this as being you know where it
could be done and there's no parking

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requirements and I just you know that's
not that's not true the code still

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requires parking for residential
development it just doesn't require it

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for commercial development in the
downtown okay well and again it's just a

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matter
of that given the push for apartments

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and it's a 45 foot what what does that
translate to floors

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stories what I would what I would say is
that the code amendment that we're

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proposing and the reason why I proposed
it this way is because I thought this is

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what counts with favor yeah is that it
is removing the flexibility for more

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Apartments without commercial in the
downtown that's what it would be doing

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and I get that and I support that Kelly
I'm just trying to understand you know

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what what the developers will do with
that you know because they've got a

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different you know angle on it and
interest and understandable so I'm just

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trying to figure out so so these could
be like five story places is that right

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I'd say four be 45 feet is that you can
build five with 45

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feet not with the ground floor
commercial yeah really hard to do

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because you need hot more height for
that ground floor if you're G to be

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commercial so it' be
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challenging how many more of these
questions are

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I think this is one of the more complex
ones though just see but I mean are we

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dancing around the
options you have an option to remove it

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we have an option to leave it
in are we missing anything else that we

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should be considering or is that do you
want us to vote as we go along or what

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that that be
helpful ping Council for a proposal that

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will be in front of us in the future I
struggle with I struggle with voting for

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it right now
we're not voting we're polling polling

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yeah we need directions so that when you
get it next time in September the code's

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written that people not looked at this
me too I think it's pretty I I

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understand the need to clarify and
really figure out what we're doing but

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at the end of the day I mean it's a
pretty easy choice for where this

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Council directionally has that this is
to recommend

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it thumbs
uped for the most part you'll see

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options are the option that is in the
code the packet and so I think if you

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were to tell
us we think you went the wrong direction

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we'd want to know that we' want to fix
that for we're pretty good at that and

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and just so you know the the recommended
options are what I it was my best guess

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at what I thought you would want yeah so
I might have missed the mark on a few

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but that's what I that's what we
tried and Kelly the plan is to have one

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more works session right in
September be discuss this before and and

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that'll give the council if you choose
to two and a half months or so to look

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at the 300 pages of text if you want to
look through all that

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exy really was carry
on okay so the the second question is is

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related that's also looking at the C1
and C3 zones um and this is looking this

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has kind of more more to do with
addressing issues with the design

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standards so they are pretty detailed um
design standards kind of enforcing the

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sort of Sandy style in downtown and in
the village uh commercial uh districts

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and um that we the attempt with this
code amendments again staying policy

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neutral is to try out where there are
discretionary standards today where

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there possibilities to leave them as is
and not touch them we tried to go that

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route so um when you when you're
thinking about mixed use development

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which as we just talked about is allowed
you can have residential as part of a

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mixed use development um it gets a
little bit tricky if you're trying to

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maybe apply a different set of say you
want to apply the discretionary

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standards to the commercial portion of
the development but you can only apply

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clear and objective standards to the
residential portion it gets really

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tricky especially if it could be mixed
on the same floor it might be a little

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bit more straightforward and we were
finding it would have been more

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straightforward if you didn't allow
residential on the ground floor at all

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you still allowed it on the second floor
and above so you still allowed the sort

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of vertical mixed use development but
you wouldn't necessarily allow the

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residential to be just attached to a
commercial business as the the current

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allowance is in the C1 zone or beside or
behind a commercial business in the C3

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zone so if you enforce that kind of
Separation by saying dwellings must be

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above commercial uses um on the second
floor above

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then you can continue to apply the
current um somewhat discretionary

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standards to say ground floor window
requirements entrance um detailing some

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of those standards are not entirely
clear and objective today and so um if

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we don't want to have to modify those as
apply to residential or maybe apply a

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different set of Standards um to those
features on a residential component of a

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building it's it's much more
straightforward to separate them so

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getting to the um the options
here on the next slide so the

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recommended option is to again limit the
residential development so it's only

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allowed above a commercial
business um so that doesn't include

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horizontal exactly so no again kind of a
further restriction beyond the one we

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just discussed to say it has to be above
a commercial business um so that's the

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recommended option that's in your packet
the um a second potential option is to

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keep the current allow es for
residential uses as part of a mixed use

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development um which could be again
beside or behind or attached um but

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apply a different set of Standards to
just the residential portion of that

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building for that development um in that
case it would probably make the most

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sense to apply the multif family design
standards um but in that case you're

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you're ending up with kind of a tricky
situation both for staff to interpret

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and for applicants to kind of try to
parse out what applies to what part of

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the building um but that is that is an
option that that's an approach that some

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cities have taken in their codes
possible maybe not ideal I think it'd be

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very it'd be
difficult it didn't seem like it fits

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the clear and objective it just seemed
like it puts a lot of gray in the whole

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business I mean based on the
conversation you guys had on the first

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item my guess is you're going to go with
the recommended

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option keep it pretty simp yeah justar
that you guys are kind of bringing in

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the Sandy style stuff versus the
multifam design standard and can you I

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mean can you apply the Sandy style to
the commercial part and the correct the

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other that'll work and clear
objective that is that is an option what

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we've done in the SE in the um village
and sorry what they call the downtown

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and Village Center design standards is
to where they do apply or could apply to

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residential um to make them clear an
objective so just to modify them sort of

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the minimum amount to make clear an
objective everything that we didn't have

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to touch we just left as is that we knew
wouldn't apply to housing a lot of the

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standards um apply just to the ground
floor so as soon as you say residential

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is not only can't be on the ground floor
you sort of solve that problem of is the

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standard discretionary it doesn't matter
if it's not going to apply to

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residential and presidential count be on
the ground floor and it's a standard

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related to the ground floor no problem
right so that was that was kind of one

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way we were looking at the solution um
obviously there's kind of a hybrid

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solution if you were only concerned
about really the Sandy

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standards um on the ground floor on in
kind of major streets then you could we

418
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:25,519
could come up with a hybrid solution
that says well it's still okay to have

419
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:32,039
mixed juuse building where there's
ground floor residential it's attached

420
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:38,440
either behind or beside or maybe just
behind um but it's uh provided that the

421
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:43,880
frontage on these major streets is only
commercial right so then you would get

422
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:51,279
you could still allow some of those
other forms of attached multif family

423
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:57,919
right um instead of just above you could
have it the side or behind um as long as

424
00:33:54,679 --> 00:34:01,519
those frontages were still
ground floor commercial and so that was

425
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:04,960
the other like kind of the hybrid
approach we talked about that after

426
00:34:03,639 --> 00:34:08,919
actually we come up with the recommended
approach which was the most coton dry

427
00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:13,960
like okay above the ground FL and then
we were like well maybe if you wanted to

428
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:18,240
retain some of that flexibility we come
over the highway that would still

429
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:24,320
protect the important commercial streets
so problem as I see it is is that you

430
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:28,399
have a number of current situations that
have that residential problem and you're

431
00:34:25,919 --> 00:34:32,599
going to end up having the question
whether you're going to put apply a

432
00:34:29,720 --> 00:34:38,200
Sandy style to it or not on residential
on the ground floor or or not so there's

433
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:42,280
going to be some complexity in this no
matter how you play it but you're

434
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:47,440
talking about new Stu so just stay away
from the

435
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:51,960
current yeah I mean well and I guess if
somebody were to come in for a major

436
00:34:48,919 --> 00:34:56,240
alteration then the if it was in if it
was

437
00:34:52,800 --> 00:35:02,160
a if they're doing a major alteration of
a residential building apply resal

438
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,160
standard rather

439
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:12,320
than you interet I think so I think so
yeah a developer that came in on a

440
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:16,960
arterial Street on the front fronted
side but a not a main if they're on the

441
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:20,320
corner lot per se they might want
commercial on the front of the building

442
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:24,480
but then on the on the back side of that
building wrap around residential on the

443
00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:28,359
ground floor because it's not on the the
main arterial yeah and that would be

444
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:32,119
more attractive to a developer who's got
a small partial on the corner who's

445
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:35,880
trying to maximize their their
livability within that section if you

446
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:40,400
made it all commercial just left the
ball commercial they're they're they're

447
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:46,720
going to have to find parking for that
residential on the back side I just I

448
00:35:43,720 --> 00:35:46,720
just think that might be a

449
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:54,400
problem we're just pulling here
now I think there'll be some

450
00:35:52,560 --> 00:36:03,040
conversations
like yeah so so just quick question

451
00:35:59,079 --> 00:36:10,480
um in thinking so this does not prevent
say I build the commercial building with

452
00:36:07,319 --> 00:36:15,200
residential on top and then I want to do
like a rooftop bar as part of my

453
00:36:13,079 --> 00:36:19,000
downstairs
business yeah you can still do that do

454
00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:23,560
that yeah there's nothing the code
saying that think yeah

455
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:32,480
so place we if we get a rooftop bar
proposal we'll make it happen

456
00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:42,400
good I just want to make sure we're not
doing anything that's

457
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:48,440
GNA okay so generally no concerns with
the recommended approach remember number

458
00:36:44,839 --> 00:36:52,359
two okay um question three has to do
with this is another kind of permitted

459
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:59,520
use question and it has to do with zero
lot line dwellings um which are um they

460
00:36:57,119 --> 00:37:03,160
they can either attached or detached and
attached zero lot line is basically what

461
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:09,960
we think of as town homes so they're
sort of um attached homes on individual

462
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:12,440
Lots um and then detached zero lot line
is there actually on the next slide

463
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:17,920
there's a graphic that kind of
illustrates yeah um so that you

464
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:22,319
basically move all the the houses over
to one side of the lot so there's a zero

465
00:37:20,599 --> 00:37:25,560
setback on one side and then you have
more of a setback and all lots more of a

466
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:31,680
sort of use usable side yard on the
other side so currently in the um single

467
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:37,200
family residential zone or sfr
Zone these type of zero lot line

468
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:42,680
dwellings are uh minor conditional use
so again as we talked about you can't

469
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:48,000
have just this discretionary um process
for allowing this type of of housing um

470
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:51,560
so again you all have a kind of a choice
to make either you can develop a new

471
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:55,119
clear and objective path and I guess
we're getting into the options on the

472
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:59,319
next slide um you can develop a cleared
objective path to make sure to make

473
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:03,880
those permitted use and develop a new
set of um standards or actually you

474
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:07,079
could you could pull over existing
standards that apply in the other

475
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:10,680
residential zones where they are
permitted

476
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:16,960
outright but the recommended option kind
of following the same theme is just to

477
00:38:13,839 --> 00:38:21,400
not permit those um those types of zero
lot line dwellings in the sfr zone so

478
00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:27,960
you could still have single regular
single family detached but no Town Homes

479
00:38:24,319 --> 00:38:32,720
as a permitted or conditional use
we never turn them into a

480
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:36,640
dup that's that's my question is you
know single family residential is

481
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:43,280
supposed to be just single family homes
and then we got pushed into requiring

482
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:48,680
duplexes so Town Homes were never an
option and so so so now we're still only

483
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:52,400
talking right about duplexes and single
family homes yeah duplex will still be

484
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:58,040
allowed but this would remove if you go
back to the previous slide it'll remove

485
00:38:54,920 --> 00:39:01,960
it'll remove the thing on the left
so you you'll have to have setbacks so

486
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:04,839
if you if you remove it as we're
recommending each side is going to have

487
00:39:03,839 --> 00:39:09,440
to have
setback and what it effectively does is

488
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:13,720
it it's kind of density control a little
bit because you'll get with this design

489
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:17,680
you get more houses on less
acreage because you don't have setbacks

490
00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:23,720
on your one side of your
house um I personally think it's bad

491
00:39:21,079 --> 00:39:28,920
design and we have some in the Sandy
Bluff neighborhood and people get very

492
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:33,640
confused and very upset when their
neighbor has to basically what they

493
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:37,400
would consider trespass in the to paint
the side of your house people think it's

494
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,400
middle to paint this side of your house
you literally have to go on your

495
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:43,880
neighbor's property and there's
easements for it but I I don't really

496
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:49,240
like the design at all but the caveat
that I I'm kind of coming around to is

497
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:53,880
that previously this Council again I
didn't support it but allowed duplexes

498
00:39:51,839 --> 00:39:57,560
to be detached which I don't even
understand how that makets the

499
00:39:54,760 --> 00:40:02,520
termination the definition of duplex and
so now you can have a detached duplex

500
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:07,760
which is basically two separate houses
and then and now you're allowed to uh

501
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:12,640
subdivide it so now you've got instead
of having single family of 7500 youve

502
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:15,839
got two small small Lots so that's where
I don't like that because I think that's

503
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:23,319
we've got a lot of already zones for
that so if you reinstated that a duplex

504
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:28,240
had to be attached had to be
attached how would this affect that this

505
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:33,240
doesn't affect duplexes
this is for a single lot of record with

506
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:36,960
one dwelling on it that's what a zero
lot line dwelling

507
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:41,920
is yeah this doesn't really have
anything to do with duplexes just so you

508
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:46,440
know okay that's confus because if you
can have a detached

509
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:50,079
duplex in my mind I mean those are two
single dwellings that you can then

510
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:54,480
subdivide you see it's kind of semantics
there if you could subdivide if you

511
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:57,920
could build two DET a detached suplex
and then subdivide it that's two

512
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:02,560
dwelling
so this is in this example if this was a

513
00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:05,480
subdivision this is lot one this is lot
two this is lot three they're all

514
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:09,520
different lots of record they all
presumably have different owners all

515
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:13,400
this would be doing would be making
setbacks on both sides of the house what

516
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:17,640
you're talking about is you could have
two units on this two on this two on

517
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:21,560
that for the duplex Provisions but
that's allowed by that house bill and

518
00:41:19,359 --> 00:41:26,520
that has nothing to do with they would
still be subject to setbacks depending

519
00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:31,960
on how we correct it correct ex we can't
we can't create that would limit that

520
00:41:28,839 --> 00:41:37,319
that's no but if it was attached you
couldn't subdivide it because it's not

521
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:41,560
it would be a zero light line well
wouldn't

522
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:45,040
it it's it would still be it would still
be called a duplex if it if it goes

523
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:49,839
through the middle housing land division
process which is required by by law to

524
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:55,240
beow um it's still considered a duplex
even after after it's divided yeah it is

525
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:58,200
very confusing understand and you know
definitely understand and appreciate

526
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:03,760
your confusion
because you're right I mean functionally

527
00:42:00,359 --> 00:42:10,160
it might feel like you had a duplex and
two units on one lot and and somebody

528
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:16,240
divided that through a middle housing
land division it's going to look like a

529
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:19,119
two unit townhouse built functionally
right it's going to be each lot's going

530
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:23,559
to be or each unit is going to be on its
own lot they're going to be attached it

531
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:28,440
is still technically a duplex it's right
I mean under the law that's still called

532
00:42:25,359 --> 00:42:31,640
a duplex this is a different set of
Provisions in your code unrelated to

533
00:42:30,359 --> 00:42:38,640
that this I think
predates that those changes um and it

534
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:43,280
just says that these types of zero lot
line uh developments and it puts them

535
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:48,599
through a conditional use process and
again if you're gonna offer a housing

536
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:55,280
type in a Zone it needs to be either yes
or no can't be it can't be aaz so um

537
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:59,800
can't go to a discing process so that's
that's the problem we're trying to solve

538
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:05,000
is and I understand there's this other
confusing believe me yeah it is

539
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:10,040
confusing um but that the problem we're
trying to solve is really to just get to

540
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:16,319
what's the best clear and objective
answer for this particular problem and I

541
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:22,880
think I generally was there anybody that
would like us to like change from the

542
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:26,520
recommended approach I like all right we
should probably move on we only we only

543
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:30,319
got about 15 minutes left I would we
should just start with that question

544
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,319
every

545
00:43:31,559 --> 00:43:40,079
time okay just
cont I'm not asking well this one's a

546
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:44,280
little bit less maybe a little bit less
straightforward but um this is about

547
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:49,480
Transit Street building orientation
requirements so um in the current code

548
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:53,880
the city um defines Transit streets as
arterials and collectors and other other

549
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:59,319
streets are identified in the transit
plan um and residential development has

550
00:43:56,720 --> 00:44:03,280
to be quote unquote oriented toward the
transit street so that's a current

551
00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:07,079
requirement but that what what does it
mean for a building to be oriented

552
00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:12,119
toward the transit street is kind of the
the clear and objective issue that we

553
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:16,800
needed to resolve um so we we created
some um new standards for what it means

554
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:20,839
to be oriented so it means either face
the street you know the entrance faces

555
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:25,040
the street or it's you know within up to
45 degree angle from the street that was

556
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:28,720
pretty straightforward but part of what
city staff have been interpreting the

557
00:44:27,079 --> 00:44:32,960
oriented toward the transit Street to
mean is that it's within a certain kind

558
00:44:30,599 --> 00:44:38,200
of distance from the street so it's not
set way back on the lot it's not really

559
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:41,839
oriented towards the transit street so
um on the next slide yeah the

560
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:46,839
recommended option is to establish a
maximum distance or a setback between

561
00:44:44,839 --> 00:44:51,319
that building entrance and the transit
Street to say you're oriented towards

562
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:54,520
the transit Street if you're within X
distance which we haven't defined yet in

563
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:59,400
the in the
draft um and that would make that

564
00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:02,440
requirement clear an objective um and
would kind of be consistent with the

565
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:07,240
purpose of those requirements which is
to encourage kind of active frontages

566
00:45:05,319 --> 00:45:12,040
pedestrian friendly development
at question how does this work with a

567
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,040
flag

568
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:17,400
lot I think that's a great question I
think it's

569
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:25,280
actually I think we I think we did add
something about

570
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:28,960
that that's a really good question
that's a really good question though

571
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:36,240
section oh it it already has one
exceptions for flag Lots thank you uh

572
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:40,119
yeah it is in there yeah but that is a
great

573
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:44,480
question we all good with the recomended
approach we're good with that and you

574
00:45:42,559 --> 00:45:47,960
know we we recommended some or we're
thinking of recommending somewhere in

575
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:51,800
the range of 20 to 30 feet distance from
the street as qualifying is being

576
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:56,559
oriented so it's kind of visible from
the street readily sort of reachable

577
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:58,880
from the street um but not trying to be
over

578
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:01,800
you know still trying to provide some
flexibility between the minimum and the

579
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:07,160
maximum
setbacks Kelly is that about what dearco

580
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:12,240
is right now all you know those houses
that all have the garage in the back and

581
00:46:09,559 --> 00:46:15,920
the they face Street out front yeah they
are they all about that yeah yeah yeah I

582
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:20,160
would say so yeah and I think for the
most part when we the code says it has

583
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:23,440
to be a minimum of 20 I don't think we
really run into an instance where they

584
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:27,280
anybody's put it further than like 30
feet but we're just thinking that it

585
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:30,400
could happen where you said it would way
back and then it kind of defeats the

586
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:33,280
purpose of the code like somebody put a
garage at the front of the property and

587
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:36,720
the house in the back of the property
prevent that because the front door has

588
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:42,599
to
be yeah within you know 25 30 okay same

589
00:46:41,119 --> 00:46:45,079
as the drive and they could always
request

590
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:59,280
variance I think we're all gonna be okay
with the new addition on this one okay

591
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:05,200
uh well right so thank you and I guess
you all had a chance to read the memo on

592
00:47:01,559 --> 00:47:11,760
this this is a change in in state law um
and and it is a little bit confusing

593
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:18,079
changing um how one interprets uh what
it means to be a family and um having

594
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:22,680
that not be based on uh the fal
relationship of the occupants and so we

595
00:47:20,559 --> 00:47:29,359
found a way to solve that you all saw
our recommendation I think which was to

596
00:47:26,359 --> 00:47:36,440
set number of bedrooms uh as the
distinction between congregate living

597
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:40,880
and uh an individual dwelling unit other
jurisdictions have done that uh as a

598
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:46,960
solution to this same problem we haven't
seen anybody come up with anything

599
00:47:42,839 --> 00:47:53,280
better um that's also um objective and
isn't using the relationship of the

600
00:47:49,359 --> 00:47:58,280
people the occupants so um and without
it again there is really no distinction

601
00:47:55,400 --> 00:48:03,119
between congregate living and house
likewell I will add on this one we had

602
00:48:00,319 --> 00:48:08,640
about a 45 minute conversation maybe
longer with Josh and this is the best we

603
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:12,119
could all come up with this was one of
the hardest things actually in the whole

604
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:18,160
code yeah how did you come up with eight
I mean it's what other cities are using

605
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:23,280
that that I think right yeah I mean it
also you know you start yeah it was it

606
00:48:21,079 --> 00:48:27,599
was really hard it was a hard call I
mean and you know obviously if you felt

607
00:48:25,319 --> 00:48:32,640
like that was too higher
low let us know I mean it's you can

608
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:38,319
change the number the premises though
that they're going to base it on

609
00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:42,359
bedrooms and so bedroom house I'd need
more than one

610
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:47,640
family this still though doesn't allow
for like people Liv in crawl spaces and

611
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:53,680
things like that no it Nota that's a
non-habitable living yes correct you are

612
00:48:49,839 --> 00:48:58,000
correct want to think about shed
too I will point out you have a circular

613
00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:02,280
definition
oh so the fact that you're defining

614
00:49:00,599 --> 00:49:06,280
family as those that live in a dwelling
unit then you Define dwelling unit in

615
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:10,240
terms of things that are occupied by not
more than one family means you actually

616
00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:10,240
have a circular

617
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:19,319
definition I want to look at that we'll
have to take a look at that

618
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:22,960
yeah y but is is anybody against the
eight-bedroom

619
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:29,520
understand it yet is this just in
congregate living zone or no no this is

620
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:34,319
this is saying if your house has more
than eight

621
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:38,119
bedrooms than your congregate housing
and the reason why is because we can't

622
00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:41,119
Define what constitutes a family is that
the deal because I I'm trying to think

623
00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:44,319
of an eight bedroom house at this point
there there is I don't think there is

624
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:50,440
any inan I think the largest one I know
was like six but but what you would see

625
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:55,960
what this is intended to get at is if
somebody wanted to build a congregate

626
00:49:53,440 --> 00:50:01,839
living facility and they were intending
to build say 10 bedrooms 12 bedrooms

627
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:05,400
whatever it is it could go it if you
don't have a limit then that's actually

628
00:50:04,079 --> 00:50:09,079
considered it's no different than a
single family house right because it's

629
00:50:07,359 --> 00:50:15,000
if there's no limit on the size of a
single family house and has a kitchen a

630
00:50:12,359 --> 00:50:20,079
single family would this be the S and
Scenic the old Hospice place would that

631
00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:23,440
be I don't remember how many bedrooms no
because that's that's actually that is

632
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:27,960
actually built as an assisted living
facility but this would this would

633
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:34,480
prevent somebody from
basically buying a lot putting in a 12

634
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:44,160
bedroom house and then turning it into
Cong housing essentially or dorm or

635
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:50,520
dorms it's a very complex one or yes
correct it

636
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:55,839
is okay moving on then uh to a quick
question about uh adjustments so this

637
00:50:52,799 --> 00:51:00,720
actually came up later in our review
process and so um this change I don't

638
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:05,200
believe is in the this one didn't make
it into the draft right or is it oh okay

639
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:09,839
excuse me yeah this came up very late in
our conversations with City attorney

640
00:51:07,839 --> 00:51:15,000
where we were looking at the city's
review criteria for type one

641
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:20,599
adjustment and that's for um to vary up
to 10% problem is a type one doesn't

642
00:51:18,319 --> 00:51:25,359
really work for the type of approval
criteria that you're applying to a type

643
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:31,640
one adjustment those are require too
much discretion on the staff and so they

644
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:35,280
really need notice to to make that kind
of decision so our recommendations

645
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:40,640
really straight forward which is just
get rid of that type one adjustment um

646
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:45,440
there's no change needed to the type two
because it was already up to

647
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:53,040
20% so it just
it care of it um and so I think there

648
00:51:49,799 --> 00:51:58,280
are recommendation very straightforward
just get rid of the type one any

649
00:51:55,000 --> 00:52:03,880
concerns with that one okay okay great
again I me so that means you can't have

650
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:09,799
a type one adjustment right so people
that want adjustments will apply for a

651
00:52:05,599 --> 00:52:13,599
type two adjustment which have today and
that gets you up to 20% just like it

652
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:19,160
does today none of that's going to
change the opportunity to do a very very

653
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:24,480
small adjustment using the type one is
gonna have to go away because the

654
00:52:20,839 --> 00:52:24,480
approval criteria have too much

655
00:52:24,599 --> 00:52:30,359
FIB unfortunately
that mean you're giving too much

656
00:52:28,119 --> 00:52:34,760
authority to the director that's what
without notice without

657
00:52:31,839 --> 00:52:38,799
notice yeah yeah yeah no it's it's it's
not a problem to have authority and if

658
00:52:36,799 --> 00:52:44,480
there's discretion in the decision
making organ law typically requires that

659
00:52:41,839 --> 00:52:49,799
there's um notice and an opportunity to
appeal if there's exercise discre it's

660
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:54,119
that's exactly the thing so it's
allowing me to basically issue decisions

661
00:52:52,359 --> 00:52:57,559
on variances T code without allowing
anybody to comment yeah that's the

662
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:06,160
problem
yeah so okay uh let's move on then so

663
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:10,680
uh eight um I don't if all of you had a
chance or familiar with this or had a

664
00:53:08,599 --> 00:53:13,040
chance to read the memo on this one
it'ss

665
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:22,280
awesome
right exha exha is it going to pass it

666
00:53:19,799 --> 00:53:22,280
did it's

667
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:27,880
already it's I mean we're still
referring to it as descend dates because

668
00:53:26,079 --> 00:53:33,480
that's how people know it but it's it's
it's passed it's LA and it does require

669
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:38,799
local governments to allow affordable
housing that beet certain definitions

670
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:41,799
and criteria um in a wide range of zones
and sites

671
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:51,040
um uh well in in as I said in a wide
range of zones and sites and depending

672
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:57,079
on the ownership of the yeah it's it's
in single family residential um there

673
00:53:54,040 --> 00:54:01,280
are some density
uh and intensity requirements so and

674
00:53:59,240 --> 00:54:06,839
again I don't want to I guess I know
that's not yeah well I'm being trying to

675
00:54:03,319 --> 00:54:11,200
be mindful of your your time here um I
guess the thing that's a little bit

676
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:16,119
challenging about applying Senate Bill 8
so it it applies right now some can come

677
00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:20,839
in and apply under that Zach would apply
that statute directly without it being

678
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:26,000
in your development code because that's
the way it's set up some jurisdictions

679
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:31,480
have found that that is difficult to do
because you know they wrote it for the

680
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:36,280
Statewide and there's it doesn't answer
all of the questions that a planner at

681
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:42,440
the counter might face when somebody
comes in and actually applies and so uh

682
00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:47,160
we've gone ahead and written a code
section that helps it's intended to help

683
00:54:44,119 --> 00:54:53,000
your staff apply that statute the
statute applies that part's true and U

684
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:56,400
but it's really unclear and there's some
gaps in like how well how what does it

685
00:54:54,680 --> 00:55:02,680
actually mean there's some density
bonuses height bonuses it's hard to know

686
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:08,599
what those mean um in in City s zones
and which zones get what and what about

687
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:12,839
zones that don't allow housing like
right now so we don't know what the

688
00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:18,440
density is how do you calculate that so
our recommendation is to go ahead and

689
00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:25,760
include something in the code just to
make life easier it doesn't change the

690
00:55:22,319 --> 00:55:29,280
effect that's in effect right so it's
only

691
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:34,400
what you know whether you want it in
your code or not as a as a way to hope

692
00:55:32,559 --> 00:55:40,039
you know if it does if somebody does
apply under that to make life a little

693
00:55:37,039 --> 00:55:43,799
easier but you know you don't have to
and we are getting inquiries about it

694
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:46,960
already from two different developers I
just don't you know I don't understand

695
00:55:45,319 --> 00:55:52,280
enough about it to even make a
recommendation I'm very concerned that

696
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:56,319
you know they can put in a huge shelter
in a single family residential

697
00:55:53,720 --> 00:56:01,599
neighborhood without you know it's not a
shelter it's whatever apartment it's

698
00:55:58,720 --> 00:56:06,160
affordable housing and and because what
was considered needed housing is now all

699
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:10,640
housing and it's that kind of stuff so I
just feel like I wish we had we could

700
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:13,599
hire some consultants and I get that
we're not supposed to be putting

701
00:56:11,720 --> 00:56:18,119
together anything that you know doesn't
follow the code or doesn't follow the

702
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:22,200
new law law that's coming down but I
want to see some Consultants who could

703
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:27,440
take that and understand where you know
that I if this was happening in high

704
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:32,799
density which we have a bunch of that's
fine that's where it belongs but to to

705
00:56:30,039 --> 00:56:37,160
allow all this to happen everywhere
height to to have our density our

706
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:42,520
minimum lot sizes and our our maximum
densities in these zones thrown out to

707
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:53,000
completely guys if I if I I agree I
agree but if I may I I think what

708
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:57,640
Kathleen's asking for is kind of what is
in the recommendation right I mean well

709
00:56:55,880 --> 00:57:02,079
what I mean mean by that is is whatever
this new chapter is that applies the

710
00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:07,119
statute is going to have to come in
front of this council with some back and

711
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:11,200
forth with our staff to approve and so
what I'm hearing is is you want to look

712
00:57:09,039 --> 00:57:16,079
at that statute and figure out the best
way to address that in our community and

713
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:23,920
that's exactly what creating this
chapter would do is develop our our way

714
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:26,920
of implementing that Statute in San
that's 100% correct and if you don't

715
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:31,520
adopt anything
then there's no code provision on

716
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:35,280
density or height right so they can they
can choose anything and I cannot deny it

717
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:40,880
that's in the yeah in the
non-residential zones where there are no

718
00:57:37,359 --> 00:57:44,440
density standards for housing um under
if yeah if you appli the statute

719
00:57:42,359 --> 00:57:48,839
directly they could say well there's no
limit on density so we can build as

720
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:54,559
dense as you know the site allows but as
we've interpreted that sort of missing

721
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:59,880
provision in the statute we added a
density standard that applies the the

722
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:05,880
maximum density or the medium density R2
zone so that that is an actual kind of

723
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:09,799
different outcome based on the current
draft as we've drafted it in the

724
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:13,400
proposed amendments that would be
different than if someone just came in

725
00:58:11,359 --> 00:58:19,880
if you didn't adopt anything are you
saying that are the densities that are

726
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:26,319
currently in R1 still apply to this they
apply except you get a density bonus of

727
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:31,280
200% so you double and that Ian I me
honestly if you if you chose to sort of

728
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:34,680
disregard that and develop your own
standards I think an applicant could

729
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:38,280
probably make the case to Luba or
whoever that you know you're not

730
00:58:36,599 --> 00:58:42,160
following the statute and they could do
they could do what's

731
00:58:39,559 --> 00:58:46,680
allow that's crazy but the but the
essential question in front of us is do

732
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:50,160
we want and no offense with you Kelly I
love you I trust you but do we want

733
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:55,400
Kelly just having to figure out how to
implement the statute in here or do we

734
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:59,640
want to move forward with a chapter that
lays out very straightforward for how

735
00:58:57,559 --> 00:59:04,920
Kelly and the staff should implement
this statute I think the recommendation

736
00:59:01,839 --> 00:59:09,400
is the way to go
right and I am getting inquiries about

737
00:59:07,119 --> 00:59:16,520
this already in Sandy all
right what zones industrial our C2

738
00:59:13,319 --> 00:59:22,760
on but just a minute just a minute M
with a Mortor okay

739
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:22,760
ahead they know about

740
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:29,039
that just a minute left I'm G to touch
on one last question

741
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:33,839
very quickly talk about um you know our
schedule to come back to all so uh yeah

742
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:38,319
we've got tree removal um for Park
maintenance and so there are some

743
00:59:35,319 --> 00:59:44,799
existing exemptions uh related to tree
removal and uh in kind of looking at

744
00:59:41,599 --> 00:59:50,520
this section and talking to City staff U
the recommendation here is to add a new

745
00:59:48,119 --> 00:59:53,799
exemption um from City own parks and
natural areas Trail installation

746
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:58,799
maintenance safety improvements and
general Park maintenance to allow uh so

747
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:02,640
basically just to create the exemption
so you're not going through a perating

748
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:06,839
process
internally anything to add to that I

749
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:12,000
would really like to change this so that
our P staff can go remove trees in say

750
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:19,079
mining in certain areas and they don't
have to get a tree permit it's just can

751
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:23,319
can you say existing Trails because I
could see where that might go to and I

752
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:30,520
don't want to put more stuff into it is
it intent to be existing Trails it' be

753
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:35,240
paral they would still have to get a
permit if it was like within the within

754
01:00:33,039 --> 01:00:39,160
a certain distance of our creeks and
within like a wetland but that's like a

755
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:44,000
DSL requirement right right but
otherwise if it was like an Upland tree

756
01:00:42,039 --> 01:00:47,599
that was dead and Tiana and her crew
just wanted to remove it they just they

757
01:00:46,039 --> 01:00:51,039
can just go do it they don't need a
check in what if we had a one of our

758
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:57,720
neighbors wanted to do that for their
house I read it's a city owned

759
01:00:53,760 --> 01:01:04,280
Park I hate that we stand
yeah I hate that we get you know not for

760
01:01:00,799 --> 01:01:07,880
us but definitely for you I definitely
understand and appreciate that but with

761
01:01:06,039 --> 01:01:12,440
limited Staffing right now it's it's it
is a pretty big burden on staff so what

762
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:17,319
do you do because I have right now we're
processing tree permits excuse me though

763
01:01:14,799 --> 01:01:24,000
I mean I wasn't required to get a tree
permit when all those seedos had to come

764
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:26,880
down because PGE butchered him so right
those are in the right way I believe

765
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:33,559
though well no was it was based on the
size of my lot oh yeah that's true okay

766
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:37,200
and so similar to a park that's got a
big area and a lot of trees you're gonna

767
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:40,640
have to break a few eggs to make the off
yeah you're correct coun all I just

768
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:48,559
don't like the double standard I agree
with and then also does this address the

769
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:56,039
need to maintain John viewpoints
view given that you're 400 feet from the

770
01:01:50,960 --> 01:02:00,160
river no well I actually
that's a good question I'll have to look

771
01:01:57,279 --> 01:02:00,160
back I'll have to look into

772
01:02:03,559 --> 01:02:10,440
that I think so all right I I think it
would if you put maintenance in there I

773
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:14,880
would think so I think so too it's an
existing View Corridor it is yeah yeah

774
01:02:13,279 --> 01:02:18,359
that's a good question but I I think we
would yeah we would include that in and

775
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:22,880
I would add Trails like Carl said into
the road utilities trails

776
01:02:26,559 --> 01:02:33,200
making sure
covers so do you want us to give you

777
01:02:30,319 --> 01:02:37,640
kind of just a general um next steps
just for a couple minutes

778
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:43,079
sir just take a second yeah so I mean
basically I guess we'll be back in front

779
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:46,240
of you um to talk about the proposed
amendments um for another work session

780
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:51,599
in
September and um following that work

781
01:02:49,079 --> 01:02:56,119
session we'll be making fun edits and
then aing for hearings November December

782
01:02:54,480 --> 01:03:02,000
we're hoping to wrap this all up by the
end of this year perfect that's our goal

783
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:06,720
so you want to get it done good okay let
do so for that thank you very much for

784
01:03:04,799 --> 01:03:13,160
your sorry we're always rambunctious
group really appreciate your question

785
01:03:10,359 --> 01:03:17,760
terrific so a really good question so
yeah um I think about this summer to

786
01:03:15,799 --> 01:03:23,400
look over that lovely document and of
course if you have questions for us

787
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:27,839
Kelly is probably the
easiest very much thank you to the

788
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:31,520
members that joined us this evening
really appreciate it uh we're going to

789
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:37,440
close our work session we will convene
our council meeting at 7:10 thank

790
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:42,640
you let's go ahead and call the city
council meeting into order please join

791
01:03:39,799 --> 01:03:42,640
me for pledge of

792
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:50,410
allegiance I pledge alance to the flag
of the United States of America and to

793
01:03:48,359 --> 01:03:53,240
the for it
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794
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:58,480
stands
indivisible andice

795
01:03:56,119 --> 01:03:58,480
excuse

796
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:08,440
me all right I'll do a quick review of
tonight's agenda I'm going to be calling

797
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:12,720
for any CH proposed changes to tonight's
agenda I will'll then go to public

798
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:17,200
comment um Jeff did we have anybody
submit online not online mayor all right

799
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:21,200
so we have two submitted um for public
comment I'll be calling your names at

800
01:04:18,839 --> 01:04:25,799
the appropriate time uh then we'll have
a response to the previous public uh

801
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:29,920
comments that was by Bill Lesley well
the response from staff uh to that at

802
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:33,760
that time then we'll get into our
consent agenda our consent agenda has

803
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:39,319
our city council meeting minutes from
our June 5th and June 12th meetings the

804
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:44,920
adoption of a financial Su
sustainability plan for parks and wreck

805
01:04:42,079 --> 01:04:49,200
Sandy N Advisory Board appointments
requirements for street closures and

806
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:53,599
exclusive use of minding park for the
2023 Mountain Festival loan

807
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:58,440
authorization drinking water
transmission line design contract

808
01:04:56,359 --> 01:05:04,640
Amendment for leeway engineering
Solutions owner representative Services

809
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:09,640
the adoption of city manager recruitment
position profile and hiring procedures

810
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:13,359
under new business we have three public
hearings and so if you're here just

811
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:18,079
speak uh for one of those public
hearings wait till this time um for the

812
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:23,640
public hearings to testify don't do it
during our earlier uh we have public

813
01:05:20,279 --> 01:05:29,319
hearing for 2023 24 Master fees and
charges a public hearing for revised

814
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:33,720
moratorium raising limits on our new
Wastewater connections and a public

815
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:38,599
hearing for Trans our transportation
systems plan we'll then have a report

816
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:43,440
from our city manager and we'll end our
evening with our committee and Council

817
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:50,400
reports with that Jeff will you please
call the role yes counc pres counc small

818
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:56,960
here counc Sheldon here counc Walker
here councelor exner pres counc Hinson

819
01:05:54,079 --> 01:06:02,599
here mayor pulam here thank you for that
Jeff with that I will call for any

820
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:07,400
proposed changes to tonight's
agenda hearing none we'll move forward

821
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:13,400
to public comment um the first up for
public comment that I have is uh Nancy

822
01:06:10,599 --> 01:06:17,520
Becker and Nancy you'll have three
minutes uh Jeff will'll let you know

823
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:22,599
when you have can I wait till
later it's it's about the uh oh it's

824
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:26,799
about the fees so we'll go ahead and
wait for the fees at that time with that

825
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:32,279
um we have Michael
Jenkins um Michael uh you will have

826
01:06:29,839 --> 01:06:36,839
we'll provide five minutes of testimony
Jeff our city recorder will give you a

827
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:41,400
20 second uh warning so when you have 20
seconds left uh and I have your

828
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:45,319
information here so if you'd like uh you
you get the mic the mic that way it

829
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:50,359
picks up what you're talking about so
you can either oh this mic can get you

830
01:06:48,119 --> 01:06:55,980
right here at the table yeah it'll hear
I the absolutely

831
01:06:54,119 --> 01:07:00,389
sir wel
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832
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:15,200
my name is white
gens I'm the US Marie

833
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:20,039
corette been in your town for a year and
a half

834
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:26,680
homeless you haven't heard a be party
out of me you haven't had one complaint

835
01:07:23,279 --> 01:07:33,200
about me being homeless in this town
now I've been through a lot of stress

836
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:38,839
and operations I've had my gallbladder
out I've had a double hery out my

837
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:45,160
gallbladder was in me for three years
because they couldn't get me health

838
01:07:40,799 --> 01:07:52,559
insurance get me in almost died I had my
heart done I've had six inches of my leg

839
01:07:49,599 --> 01:07:57,839
now I got third degree burdens on my
leg they put me in housing over at

840
01:07:56,440 --> 01:08:03,359
father's
house and then they got me into the to a

841
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:10,520
motel they put end up putting me into
the budget over on

842
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:17,120
mopin been there for 49 days I got
pictures to show all you guys that I

843
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:24,359
lived in a pig pin couldn't pick up or
nothing no cleaning no nothing bent was

844
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:30,560
going in there I ended up with B me I
had a detox in the board Mission to get

845
01:08:28,359 --> 01:08:35,920
out of there now the people that have
getting my housing and stuff they're

846
01:08:32,839 --> 01:08:42,159
supposed to have a
$28,000 two whatever kind of mobile home

847
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:48,400
I supposed to work in this this gr money
that we're getting it's supposed to pay

848
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:54,000
for it off me and my dog will be happy
but what I'm coming tonight to tell

849
01:08:50,279 --> 01:08:58,400
everybody about is I need help now I
don't want to be in crack out

850
01:08:56,120 --> 01:09:03,759
I'm not a crackman I ran against Ted
wheeler for mayor and I am a man out

851
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:11,080
there on the streets I work with the
homeless I take many of them off and put

852
01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:18,159
them in places and I use CBD hip and
mushrooms you got blue pills coming your

853
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:25,520
way you got problems I got Solutions
I'll sit down talk about it but my thing

854
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:32,279
tonight is I need help I went to your
office today you're to see the chief to

855
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:37,319
explain to him my issue he wasn't in I
went to the next person in mind is this

856
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:40,600
officer right here I said where do you
want me to sleep can't sleep at the bus

857
01:09:39,679 --> 01:09:47,040
stop
anymore well it seems like the other

858
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:52,359
night when I rolled in here after a a
sheriff on

859
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:57,120
mlin threatened to put a gun a bullet
through my dog's head because he's

860
01:09:55,000 --> 01:10:01,040
walking get too close to me and I said a
service

861
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:05,320
dog he's going willing to put a bull
through my dog's head he's going to put

862
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:11,040
a bull through my head he talked to my
caregiver told him he even said that

863
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:17,400
what am I going through why do I have to
do this you guys ain't got nothing this

864
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:20,719
down for me a told me today I get to get
tickets written on G to write me

865
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:28,840
homeless
Nas well that's okay I have a income

866
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:35,719
this dog is on is hurt too he's on
medicine he's on bed rest he's over at

867
01:10:31,679 --> 01:10:40,239
the daycare you know put him in there me
my

868
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:46,480
money I'll do anything for my dog you're
not going to shoot my dog I need help

869
01:10:43,480 --> 01:10:52,440
reporting this they got me help they
didn't get me I will

870
01:10:48,560 --> 01:11:00,400
say he did leave me to the amp bar I
went to the amp Barn the an Barn had 15

871
01:10:56,239 --> 01:11:05,320
people there in 10 minutes to help me he
shows up with the county now tomorrow I

872
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:13,159
get to
see the the the other who is

873
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:20,679
it supposed to Resource through I'm
hoping disability so I can turn in these

874
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:27,120
claims that I'm showing to you now I can
cut off here mayor I would like to have

875
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:32,320
10 15 minutes with you after sit down
have a cup of coffee I want to show you

876
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:37,920
my video when I went through at that
motel and see what I want you to see

877
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:42,639
what I had to go through and then you
can decide because I asked to show video

878
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:50,360
tonight that was
refused but I respect that my name is

879
01:11:46,719 --> 01:11:55,800
Michael J AKA por chop I will be running
for there the next gool around but I

880
01:11:53,400 --> 01:12:01,760
need help now
that's it God

881
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:06,040
bless thank you um and I would like to
speak on the water behalf when you get

882
01:12:03,639 --> 01:12:09,960
to that please Absol oh okay absolutely
and then uh let's be in touch see if we

883
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:12,120
can May set up that coffee thank you for
your

884
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:21,800
time all right with that let's uh move
ahead in our agenda uh we have the

885
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:27,400
response to our last meetings um public
testimony thank you mayor um two parts

886
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:31,760
to this response first uh I was not
aware at the time that we had an issue

887
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:36,280
with the um only accepting credit card
payments and not accepting Cas or check

888
01:12:33,639 --> 01:12:40,639
for business license renewals and so we
have made some progress or working on

889
01:12:38,440 --> 01:12:45,440
making some progress there to alleviate
that Rebecca has been doing case-by case

890
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:47,760
um check payments for those that need it
in the short term and then we're working

891
01:12:46,679 --> 01:12:51,280
with the vendor to figure out what
options we have as far as a weting that

892
01:12:49,679 --> 01:12:56,320
to make sure that all of our business
owners can renew their licenses um in a

893
01:12:54,239 --> 01:13:01,360
convenient way for them and also you
know gets us the the revenue that we

894
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:05,000
need in a mutally beneficial way so
thank you and i' like to thank Mr Lesley

895
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:09,639
for his public testimony uh you don't
always uh implementing changes you don't

896
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:13,480
you don't always see the unintended
things or sometimes the things you mean

897
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:18,320
that to not do and and that's why we
have public testimonies to hear how the

898
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:22,120
changes we make impacts our community so
if you're listening thank you Phil for

899
01:13:20,199 --> 01:13:27,159
your testimony always enjoy the
engagement May there is one more part to

900
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:32,600
that yes sir regarding the cost of the
rental license for a rental property um

901
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:37,080
the research that we have done showed
that a couple of the cities in clamus

902
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:41,560
County charge anywhere from $50 to $100
ours 85 there are a handful of cities

903
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:46,600
that don't charge anything for rentals
but we're kind of you know middle of the

904
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:50,920
road of those that do charge um Mr
Lesley didn't think that the council was

905
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:56,440
fully aware of the rate increase when
that uh was adopted last uh December uh

906
01:13:55,120 --> 01:14:01,120
when we pulled the staff report it was
clearly identified in the staff report

907
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:05,840
the prior rental uh license amount then
the updated proposed rental license so

908
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:09,400
we feel confident that you know we
provided you with the entirety of the

909
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:13,600
information that you needed at that time
um of course if the council would like

910
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:19,480
to revisit that rate where do that but
this time we're kind of middle the road

911
01:14:15,719 --> 01:14:19,480
those CL County cities that do

912
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:25,719
charge I have a comment about that but
you only wait till the fees come around

913
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:30,000
we talk about fees uh
sure you can ask a question now if you

914
01:14:27,639 --> 01:14:35,440
what did they get for that like they we
don't go around and and you know do code

915
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:40,040
checks or you know anything like that
for rentals I mean do they even see us

916
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:43,760
at all for
$85 I don't have a good answer for you

917
01:14:42,239 --> 01:14:48,199
off the top of my head I know that you
know from a um business license

918
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:52,000
recordkeeping perspective it's nice to
know what properties are rental so if

919
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:56,120
there are issues with you know tenants
police can get involved and contact the

920
01:14:53,480 --> 01:15:01,080
property owners so that's one mechanism
um we also can then cross reference in

921
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:04,800
the utility billing software with
those uh landlords so that if you know

922
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:09,639
Bill is unpaid we can make sure we have
the correct contact information to get

923
01:15:06,199 --> 01:15:15,719
hold of the property owner um but beyond
that I'd have to reach out some my he

924
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:15,719
here more

925
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:22,679
information thank you all right with
that we'll move ahead to our consent

926
01:15:19,639 --> 01:15:26,960
agenda um unless there's uh questions or
discussion I'll um a mo

927
01:15:29,239 --> 01:15:35,800
adopt I'll make a motion to adop adopt
the cons

928
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:39,639
agenda is there a second second there's
a motion from councelor Smallwood and a

929
01:15:37,679 --> 01:15:46,040
second from councelor exner to adopt the
consent agenda all those in favor

930
01:15:41,480 --> 01:15:53,040
signified by saying I I oppose May
motion carries moving ahead uh to new

931
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:59,920
business um I am going to open um this
public hearing it is

932
01:15:56,719 --> 01:16:03,120
22m Tyler with the staff report thank
you

933
01:16:00,679 --> 01:16:07,080
mayor um so the council is fully aware
that we like to uh review our fee

934
01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:10,320
schedule annually and bring that back at
the start of the new fiscal year to make

935
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:15,000
sure that the costs that we are charging
for services match um the actual

936
01:16:13,480 --> 01:16:18,360
expenditure related to those services
and so what I'll do tonight is just run

937
01:16:17,239 --> 01:16:22,840
through sort of these different
categories of fees um don't think

938
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:27,400
there's anything too much shock here as
we discussed uh most of the this during

939
01:16:25,239 --> 01:16:31,719
the budget process uh and so with that
I'll just jump right in the first

940
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:36,159
section of fees that we're updating or
proposing updates to are miscellaneous

941
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:41,000
fees and you can see they're pretty uh
low dollar amounts here just trying to

942
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:44,320
get the fee schedule updated to the cost
of printing for some of those larger

943
01:16:42,719 --> 01:16:49,480
documents if they are requested from the
public as well as um updating some copy

944
01:16:47,199 --> 01:16:53,320
charges to 50 cents to reflect the
actual cost associated with providing

945
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:57,400
those services to the
public I feel free to interupt as I go

946
01:16:55,440 --> 01:17:01,040
if you have questions on anything
specific uh the next category of fees

947
01:16:59,639 --> 01:17:05,239
that we're proposing to increase would
be the Planning and Building fees uh

948
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:13,040
last year we did a 2% increase which was
closely tied to um CPI we're proposing a

949
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:16,159
6% uh to these categories of fees um
again tied to CPI for January to January

950
01:17:15,440 --> 01:17:20,280
of
2023 that 6% was sort of carried through

951
01:17:18,719 --> 01:17:23,880
the budget in various spots as well
because we do typically tend to tie

952
01:17:22,239 --> 01:17:28,400
things to CPI to make sure that we have
a constant

953
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:35,120
um Baseline of measurement the one item
to note here two items to note I guess

954
01:17:31,239 --> 01:17:38,560
uh the first is that um you know I think
probably the first question you would

955
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:44,199
ask is how is this going to impact uh a
building permit it's about $350 more for

956
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:49,280
the average single family home permit um
and then second item to note is that the

957
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:54,960
state of Oregon requires a 45 day notice
before we adopt fee changes for building

958
01:17:53,159 --> 01:18:00,880
and planning fees building fees
specifically we noticed the state on

959
01:17:57,199 --> 01:18:04,000
June 14th and so because of that um we
can't formally adopt the building and

960
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:08,080
planning fees tonight we'll bring that
back at a later date but part of the

961
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:11,120
state's requirement that we also hold a
public hearing and so we wanted to tie

962
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:15,600
all the fees together in the public
hearing give everyone the opportunity to

963
01:18:13,239 --> 01:18:19,880
provide the public comment we can still
provide written testimony um up through

964
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:25,800
the end of July then we'll bring that
back at the August 7th meeting just to

965
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:25,800
adopt this one section of fees

966
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:32,639
uh next is water rates and so as the
council's you know very aware we have

967
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:36,040
significant reinvestment going on in our
water system talked a lot about that

968
01:18:34,679 --> 01:18:41,239
during the budget process the different
projects we're going to have going um

969
01:18:38,199 --> 01:18:45,199
throughout this bium and I believe the
council saw the updated rate model

970
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:49,000
several months back uh but there's no
significant changes to that uh model

971
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:53,800
since the last time you saw it which
indicated the need of a 36% rate

972
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:57,320
increase in water charges affected with
this upcoming fiscal year

973
01:18:55,719 --> 01:19:01,920
and what that equates to to the average
customers anywhere from $10 to $20 per

974
01:18:59,920 --> 01:19:06,840
month you know we we use the Baseline of
s CCF generally speaking we talk about

975
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:12,400
the average customer and so if that's um
you know being consistent there it's

976
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:17,800
$15.31 would be the monthly
increase

977
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:23,639
um and to help offset that rate increase
we are are proposing the addition of a

978
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:27,600
reduced um water rate program similar to
the Wastewater utility assistance

979
01:19:25,239 --> 01:19:31,960
program that we have currently and so
this would adopt the new rate increase

980
01:19:29,639 --> 01:19:38,040
of 50% of the regular rate so that
increase will only be about

981
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:43,760
$765 or so for the average customer if
they were on the reduced rate program

982
01:19:40,679 --> 01:19:46,639
about 43 customers currently so because
the sentence starts with the proposed

983
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:51,000
changes also include the addition of
reduced water rate for a single family

984
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:55,639
home with three so is is that something
that's only applying to the folks that

985
01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:58,960
are on the assistance program so we
would basically if you're enrolled in

986
01:19:57,120 --> 01:20:01,320
the Wastewater utility assistance now we
would automatically enroll you in water

987
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:05,880
so we don't need to do another
application process or anything like

988
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:12,600
that the 3/4 inch meter is the vast
majority of single family homes um we

989
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:16,719
can't really propose a change to a
multif family unit because we don't have

990
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:20,880
a way on our end to determine if there's
one member that would qualify versus

991
01:20:18,440 --> 01:20:25,440
another tenant that wouldn't qualify so
this gets the most bang for your buck as

992
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:29,199
far as you know the most eligible
yeah just that whole sentence though

993
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:33,679
kind of implies it's applying to
everybody all yeah that that's not the

994
01:20:31,440 --> 01:20:37,760
intent it's just three quer inch water
meters but everybody has those they

995
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:41,920
would have to meet the same eligibility
requirements as the yeah my point is the

996
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:45,600
sentence doesn't say anything about the
eligibility of of the assistance program

997
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:50,800
it just
says gotcha um for clarity it would

998
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:53,639
follow the same program guidelines as
the Wastewater assistance program it

999
01:20:52,159 --> 01:21:04,159
would just be changing the title on the
application to water and waste water

1000
01:20:57,719 --> 01:21:04,159
system other questions on water yes okay

1001
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:13,920
um why so Sky View Acres just looked it
up to see who they were why are their

1002
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:19,840
water
rates

1003
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:29,280
a114 versus everyone else is
they're 416 going up to $6

1004
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:35,280
so it's one of our wealthier that's been
a ongoing H contract that we've had

1005
01:21:32,159 --> 01:21:39,920
we've applied the same rate increases um
you know to them as every other type of

1006
01:21:37,679 --> 01:21:44,080
account um but I don't know the
backstory on how that rate was initially

1007
01:21:42,239 --> 01:21:47,400
determined I can absolutely do some
research there and figure out that would

1008
01:21:45,480 --> 01:21:53,840
be fantastic is that like Mountain
Shadows no it's Virginia Court Virginia

1009
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:56,520
Court hence my question I someone lives
there

1010
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:02,920
interesting but yeah does the Mountain
Shadows and all those other folks that

1011
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:06,800
get some water from us pay different
rate be good question yeah so we have

1012
01:22:05,440 --> 01:22:12,800
the wholesale rate which is a little bit
more expensive than the normal single

1013
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:20,920
family home payer um which
is dry blank now those two big ones are

1014
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:23,880
Alder Alder Creek and there's one other
one that I can't think of now the top of

1015
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:26,520
my head but those fall under that whole
sale category

1016
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:34,719
all right uh next up is Wastewater so
similar story here lots of capital uh

1017
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:38,679
investment that needs to happen in that
system uh the rate model that we've been

1018
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:44,239
working off of although it's been
revised 118 times

1019
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:49,639
literally
it uh shows a 16% rate increase that's

1020
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:55,040
needed and so that would bring the
average uh residential customer to about

1021
01:22:52,600 --> 01:23:00,120
$167 more per month
uh again that rate ref to be effective

1022
01:22:56,560 --> 01:23:06,760
on the upcoming July 2023 utility
bills questions on water seeing none

1023
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:10,760
okay uh storm water again this was
presented in the budget process

1024
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:17,520
currently the storm water fee is $5 per
equivalent residential unit uh we're

1025
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:20,880
proposing a $3 increase to um up to 8
and that really you know helps right

1026
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:24,719
siiz the storm water budget starts
paying off the debt that's uh recently

1027
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:29,560
incurred for the Emergency repairs that
we had and so this one is an important

1028
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:35,199
structural step to make sure that the
swim water fund remains solid going

1029
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:42,159
forward and next up on the list is Sandy
net so we're not proposing any changes

1030
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:47,080
to the normal um uh Fiber service for
Sandy net at this time but Council might

1031
01:23:44,679 --> 01:23:50,719
remember that last June we added a
couple multi-gig

1032
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:53,360
services with what we thought were
competitive rates come to find out

1033
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:57,840
they're a little bit higher than our
competitors so we're not having anyone

1034
01:23:55,040 --> 01:24:02,719
taking those services and in order to
remain competitive on those multi- gig

1035
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:07,840
Services um we're proposing a slight
rate reduction on the 2 gig and 5 gig

1036
01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:12,920
service in addition to that we are
working on developing or have in process

1037
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:17,280
um the capability of offering 10 gig
here soon and so we need to establish a

1038
01:24:14,440 --> 01:24:22,239
rate for 10 gig service and because the
10 gig installation is a little bit more

1039
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:26,120
um time consuming and high level than
the standard uh installation charges

1040
01:24:24,719 --> 01:24:30,719
we'd be proposing to change the
installation for 10 gig service to 300

1041
01:24:28,239 --> 01:24:30,719
instead of just

1042
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:39,719
$100 and then Library some uh small
changes here some rate reductions

1043
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:43,520
actually very rarely do we get to um
talk about rate reductions but you'll

1044
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:48,000
remember during the budget process again
uh Sarah's Mission and and really the

1045
01:24:45,679 --> 01:24:52,600
whole Library Network's mission of
reducing fines and ultimately trying to

1046
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:58,639
go fine free and so this proposal would
reduce the maximum due fine from $5 down

1047
01:24:55,080 --> 01:25:02,360
to a dollar um and that change is
already reflected in the budget so

1048
01:24:59,880 --> 01:25:06,840
there's no budgetary impact
reduced Revenue

1049
01:25:04,639 --> 01:25:12,360
there and then last but certainly not
least hold up question sorry sorry to

1050
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:16,199
interrupt your no nope so uh it's h
we've we've crossed out the cultural

1051
01:25:14,480 --> 01:25:19,960
pass so are we doing away with the
cultural pass

1052
01:25:18,119 --> 01:25:25,320
entirely my understanding is that
there's just no charge for that I don't

1053
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:29,880
believe the cultural p is being disc
continued so are we giving special

1054
01:25:30,159 --> 01:25:39,239
privileges as far as no overdue rates to
certain people while other people pay

1055
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:39,239
overdue

1056
01:25:39,639 --> 01:25:48,320
rates I don't believe so um I'm not
quite sure if I understand the question

1057
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:53,400
though as far as well I'm wondering what
the cultural past is I guess and so I'm

1058
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:56,880
I guess right there um and hence and
hence are we giving special privileges

1059
01:25:55,400 --> 01:26:00,159
if you have a cultural pass you don't
have to pay an overdue fee but everybody

1060
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:04,440
else does so that's that's all I'm
getting at no the cultural pass um I

1061
01:26:02,440 --> 01:26:09,520
don't know the whole listing of things
that it can can get you access to okay

1062
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:16,159
but there's you know a variety of I mean
I assume it's like a social you know

1063
01:26:13,480 --> 01:26:21,119
Museum that's what I figur I just if
we're not doing overdue I'm just

1064
01:26:18,159 --> 01:26:29,320
wondering that's all yeah uh no thank
you for question my question

1065
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:34,520
we are discontinuing um that that daily
that daily uh overdue right there as

1066
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:40,760
proposed um I haven't heard of an issue
of it being significantly misused or

1067
01:26:36,719 --> 01:26:45,520
held overdue um or you know held uh for
a lengthy period of time but I can

1068
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:48,440
definitely follow up on that one as well
I'm sure it's not that big of a deal I

1069
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:52,960
was
just

1070
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:58,960
app and then um so last but certainly
not least Parks and Recreation

1071
01:26:54,880 --> 01:27:03,360
um so last meeting June 5th the council
um during the work session received a

1072
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:06,920
presentation from Melle and John about
the fee structured changes that they

1073
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:11,360
were proposing to make based on the
financial sustainability plan that was

1074
01:27:08,639 --> 01:27:15,840
just adopted earlier this evening uh and
so these updated fees reflect those

1075
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:22,280
changes that were presented at the last
meeting there was some discussion about

1076
01:27:17,719 --> 01:27:25,800
maybe a higher um initial hourly rate
and then a lower rate for subsequent

1077
01:27:24,199 --> 01:27:31,400
hour after that to capture you know The
Upfront cost of of rentals we opted not

1078
01:27:29,119 --> 01:27:34,920
to make that change in this go around
because we are going to be revisiting

1079
01:27:32,639 --> 01:27:38,199
this on an annual basis to really sort
of get to the root of what do we need to

1080
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:44,040
do with parks and R to make it
sustainable this is the you know vital

1081
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:48,480
first step in that but as you may recall
from the last meeting we also were you

1082
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:52,400
know working on the time Windows of
certain shelters and you know do we have

1083
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:57,440
enough availability for the general use
versus you know just the reservation at

1084
01:27:54,560 --> 01:28:02,800
the peak hours and so this is our first
cut at sort of a revamping of the whole

1085
01:27:59,920 --> 01:28:02,800
fee structure in that

1086
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:11,000
department I would just ask are you guys
those so people know yes we'll make sure

1087
01:28:09,119 --> 01:28:14,960
that we have information on our website
about the rentals and then we can throw

1088
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:19,040
up some signs at the various shelters
people know it does a pretty significant

1089
01:28:17,440 --> 01:28:23,520
change to past practice where it's been
first time for service so we'll make

1090
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:27,639
sure that we get that that message out y
thank you

1091
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:33,960
and with that uh mayor I would just
recommend that um you hold public

1092
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:36,960
hearing rece any public testimony andish
up thank you for that

1093
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:46,040
re we're gonna go ahead and move ahead
um with public testimony for this um if

1094
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:51,159
you're online please use the raised hand
button if you wish to testify if you're

1095
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:55,920
uh in our meeting via telephone please
use star9 to raise your hand uh if if

1096
01:28:54,199 --> 01:29:01,880
you're here in person and you wish to
testify please raise your hand you'll be

1097
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:06,840
provided three minutes each uh you'll
get a 20 second warning um from Jeff

1098
01:29:05,199 --> 01:29:12,239
please remember to state your name and
address for the record we'll start with

1099
01:29:08,719 --> 01:29:23,520
Nancy and then we'll get to you
m uh Nancy Becker at 14585 Bluff Road um

1100
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:29,440
par and Sandy uh storm grain fee um is
increased by

1101
01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:35,400
$3 and I have been told that it will be
increasing to 10 by next year uh that

1102
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:40,719
would be twice what it is now we don't
even have a storm drain in front of my

1103
01:29:37,679 --> 01:29:49,119
house we have a
ditch it drains into our side

1104
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:56,040
Lot why am I being charged $10 or soon
to be $8 or possibly even currently now

1105
01:29:53,400 --> 01:29:56,040
when

1106
01:29:56,639 --> 01:30:04,880
there is no storm drain in front of my
house there's nothing everything that

1107
01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:09,600
comes down from the church on down and
in front of my place and into my little

1108
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:13,280
side lot that I also
own

1109
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:22,000
um
also what can a senior citizen on a

1110
01:30:16,679 --> 01:30:28,639
fixed income do as far as fees go I
believe you were mentioning that there

1111
01:30:24,239 --> 01:30:34,199
was an average increase and it's minor
but it turns out to be

1112
01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:39,480
$183 72 cents per
year my neighbor who lives directly

1113
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:46,239
behind me now has her daughter and
son-in-law living with her because after

1114
01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:51,119
her husband passed she can't make it on
her

1115
01:30:47,719 --> 01:30:58,600
own and she's not happy about the fact
that she's having to give up some of her

1116
01:30:54,080 --> 01:31:03,560
house sorry but I love her um everything
is going up except for Social

1117
01:31:01,719 --> 01:31:11,400
Security
um water use um oh sorry I can't see um

1118
01:31:10,440 --> 01:31:18,040
but yeah
sewer is going up everything else is

1119
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:24,360
going up and I have some other questions
also PGE pays to the city of Sandy cell

1120
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:31,000
service pays to the city of Sandy I see
city of Sandy in a lot of my regular

1121
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:38,400
bills and so it's not just from water
and property taxes or you know garbage

1122
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:44,280
that comes through here I don't know if
garbage gets part of the pay something

1123
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:49,800
to City of Sandy or not but anyway you
normally don't see me here but whenever

1124
01:31:46,840 --> 01:31:54,119
he dages me along and offers me ice
cream on the way

1125
01:31:51,080 --> 01:32:01,360
home you know otherwise I be home with
my yores thank you but yes the major

1126
01:31:57,400 --> 01:32:10,040
thing is the 18372 a year that means a
lot to those senior citizens and yes I

1127
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:15,280
along with my husband are both now
considered senior citizens and on a

1128
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:22,679
fixed
income and so yes I do hit Safeways to

1129
01:32:19,199 --> 01:32:29,520
hit what's on sale I do not buy anything
that is not on sale except for my yorkis

1130
01:32:26,440 --> 01:32:37,880
godet that is the only thing that iour
on and so anyhow these they need to go

1131
01:32:34,440 --> 01:32:43,520
someplace rather than up all the time
I'm

1132
01:32:39,119 --> 01:32:48,000
sorry I am sorry but I have a lot of
friends that fing this thank you n

1133
01:32:46,719 --> 01:32:54,760
really appreciate
it all right Michael we'll do the same

1134
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:54,760
drill as last time

1135
01:32:55,400 --> 01:33:01,480
let me move this chair for you
sir hey

1136
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:12,679
puppy my name is Mike
chin uh I've Liv for the last year and a

1137
01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:19,440
half right down
here uh where the park is right above

1138
01:33:16,760 --> 01:33:27,159
the park Dan Hugh's
house right there looking right over the

1139
01:33:22,159 --> 01:33:31,320
park last year half I take my wheelchair
and go down to the

1140
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:35,679
steill then I had to crawl all through
the dirt and just

1141
01:33:33,119 --> 01:33:40,119
bark now there's a house right down
there below me that has two senior

1142
01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:47,040
ladies in there that had her heart
attack they brought her ex-husband te's

1143
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:54,679
a senior in there and they got wood in
their front yard from last winter when

1144
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:59,719
the cherry tree fell on mik my B during
the

1145
01:33:55,880 --> 01:34:03,199
snowstorm we rode into the city hall you
guys sent me a letter back saying it's

1146
01:34:01,480 --> 01:34:11,080
an accident from
God well that accident from God is my

1147
01:34:07,159 --> 01:34:16,800
home got destroyed $300 bill that's all
fix it it's done done

1148
01:34:13,440 --> 01:34:23,000
solution but what I'm saying too is you
got problems in that park with the trees

1149
01:34:20,239 --> 01:34:28,840
during all these storms those trees are
crashing down I 13 trees have been down

1150
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:33,040
in that down there we had one at the end
of what is that street he lives

1151
01:34:34,600 --> 01:34:42,080
on I'll get you the streak but there was
a big tree that fell down hit one house

1152
01:34:39,880 --> 01:34:48,320
and hit the next house over there we
were out electricity for five

1153
01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:54,840
days why that five days was going on I
couldn't use my breathing machine

1154
01:34:50,679 --> 01:34:54,840
couldn't use my pack machine

1155
01:34:55,000 --> 01:35:03,920
Dan was wife was contacting the electric
company and they could even come out

1156
01:35:01,239 --> 01:35:10,280
with a power source to get me stuff to
breathe I mean we need emergency things

1157
01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:15,199
for these elderly when the power goes
out for two or three days because of

1158
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:21,600
these fires we got to come up a
solution you know also I want to put on

1159
01:35:18,639 --> 01:35:26,880
the table that Rose City lab on Johnson
Creek will do any kind a water Tes

1160
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:32,119
they'll send them to your to everybody
in Sandy and they'll do a testing so you

1161
01:35:29,400 --> 01:35:38,239
know what's going on with your water
with all the drainage and stuff even his

1162
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:43,840
house we the The Neighbor Next Door to
us when all this happened that the

1163
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:48,920
neighbor up ahead of us built this
building don't know if it's permitted or

1164
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:55,159
not but anyways when the building went
up three houses down from us that water

1165
01:35:52,199 --> 01:36:03,199
went down and flooded the Bas down there
when it did that it soaked the park just

1166
01:35:58,600 --> 01:36:07,639
made it a sponge down there 20 seconds I
I would like you guys talk more about

1167
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:12,320
that and do more investigation in the
park trees so one of these kids get

1168
01:36:09,960 --> 01:36:17,600
killed God bless thank you sir
appreciate your testimony can I make

1169
01:36:14,360 --> 01:36:23,600
$900 and I'm on Social Security I get
170 in food

1170
01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:31,679
stamps that's what I get thank you sir
appreciate it all right um with that I

1171
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:35,639
will now I call for the staff recap and
recommendation uh yeah thank you mayor

1172
01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:39,840
um i' just like to reiterate that all of
these changes were proposed or discussed

1173
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:47,920
during the budget process um and so our
budget as uh it has been adopted and

1174
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:47,920
effective July 1 includes these changes

1175
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:58,639
um yeah Kathleen has a question um
Nancy did bring up a good point or I

1176
01:36:55,719 --> 01:37:04,159
kind of a thought of it is what about
franchise fees are they part of this or

1177
01:37:00,840 --> 01:37:09,040
separate are they going up these uh
those are totally separate um those

1178
01:37:06,440 --> 01:37:13,840
depending on the provider are either
negotiate not negotiated but identified

1179
01:37:11,320 --> 01:37:18,119
in um like the franchise free agreement
like garbage for example we have a a

1180
01:37:15,679 --> 01:37:23,520
sole you know exclusive use agreement
with them uh so those are not being

1181
01:37:21,239 --> 01:37:27,560
modified at this time although the r
rates from those other providers are

1182
01:37:25,119 --> 01:37:31,360
also increasing all you know seeing PGE
increases or Northwest Natural increases

1183
01:37:29,280 --> 01:37:34,560
and so because it's percentage based on
what we get for franchise fees we will

1184
01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:39,679
see additional Revenue coming in because
the rates are more on on the other

1185
01:37:37,320 --> 01:37:43,599
provider side but we're not changing the
percentage rates on on the city and is

1186
01:37:41,880 --> 01:37:48,280
there an opportunity to change them like
we've changed it for all the residents

1187
01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:53,320
we can definitely explore that sure I
think there a couple there I believe are

1188
01:37:51,320 --> 01:37:57,360
maximums so we need to you know figure
out

1189
01:37:54,880 --> 01:38:03,280
those maximums but we can look into that
great thank you all right unless there's

1190
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:11,520
further questions I will yes just want
to respond as well um to Nancy um and I

1191
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:16,960
and you represent everybody out there
who doesn't want to see a pay in or a

1192
01:38:14,159 --> 01:38:22,080
rate increase so you're representing a
very large number of pretty much

1193
01:38:19,440 --> 01:38:27,400
everybody right nobody wants to see a
rate increase I just want you to know

1194
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:30,719
that we've spent the last I've spent the
last couple of years and several of us

1195
01:38:29,199 --> 01:38:36,119
in various committees and and the
council itself especially around Water

1196
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:39,040
and Wastewater trying to understand our
current situation and trying to

1197
01:38:37,800 --> 01:38:44,280
understand what it's going to take so
that the freshwater continues to flow

1198
01:38:41,880 --> 01:38:50,360
and that the the sewage is properly
treated in a way that doesn't bankrupt

1199
01:38:46,599 --> 01:38:58,520
the city and the the terrible truth of
it to my own surprise you know when I

1200
01:38:54,320 --> 01:39:04,719
came on councel was that for many many
years the the rates had not been

1201
01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:08,880
collected to basically adequately
maintain the system it's like buying a

1202
01:39:06,760 --> 01:39:13,480
car or any other house and not doing any
maintenance on it you go enough years

1203
01:39:11,119 --> 01:39:17,480
all of a sudden you're facing just this
massive update and that's where we're at

1204
01:39:16,040 --> 01:39:22,480
and it's terrible and people are like
well why are they still going up and why

1205
01:39:20,040 --> 01:39:27,840
the sad part about some of these rats
particularly waste water today is we are

1206
01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:32,480
still not recovering the true cost even
as high as this new rate's going to be

1207
01:39:30,639 --> 01:39:37,920
it's not quite to where we have to be
just to pay our own way moving forward

1208
01:39:35,599 --> 01:39:41,520
and that's but the impact to people
whether on fixed income or not it's it's

1209
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:45,239
huge and we acknowledge that and I wish
there was a different way the mayor has

1210
01:39:43,480 --> 01:39:50,119
done a phenomenal job and our
consultants in terms of trying to get

1211
01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:54,520
grants we've got our our public works
department has uh acquired very low

1212
01:39:52,760 --> 01:39:58,960
interest loans
but when you're faced with those kind of

1213
01:39:57,360 --> 01:40:04,119
jumps you don't really notice it so I
just want to know it's it's top of mind

1214
01:40:02,239 --> 01:40:10,280
but it's also something that we feel
like is very very necessary to so to

1215
01:40:06,679 --> 01:40:15,800
speak to keep the lights on
so may I also say that today I just got

1216
01:40:13,159 --> 01:40:24,000
my P Bill and it said
$44 for a distribution

1217
01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:27,920
fee distribution
I understand sorry

1218
01:40:30,020 --> 01:40:33,089
[Music]

1219
01:40:34,440 --> 01:40:39,440
no oh we can take public testimony

1220
01:40:42,080 --> 01:40:55,880
sure Greg Becker 14585 Bluff Road uh it
was on the uh increases in water and uh

1221
01:40:52,119 --> 01:41:03,239
sewer uh you're showing 36% this year it
is a banum I just wanted people watching

1222
01:40:59,119 --> 01:41:11,920
to know it's two years so 36 this year
proposed 36 next year same with the uh

1223
01:41:07,639 --> 01:41:19,159
with the sewer 26 I believe this year 26
next year and then when you compound

1224
01:41:14,159 --> 01:41:25,560
them that 72 isn't 72 it's 73 to 74% and
the same with uh with the other so uh I

1225
01:41:22,040 --> 01:41:32,760
just wanted to it clarified that uh it's
going to be doubled up again next

1226
01:41:28,679 --> 01:41:37,400
year app
little is there a motion to close the

1227
01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:42,719
public
heing is there a second a second motion

1228
01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:48,480
by councelor walker and a second by
councelor exer to close the public

1229
01:41:44,360 --> 01:41:48,480
hearing we're now um in

1230
01:41:49,520 --> 01:41:54,920
discussion was there was there a vote on
oh

1231
01:41:53,880 --> 01:42:01,760
I
just all those in favor signify by

1232
01:41:57,560 --> 01:42:06,239
saying I I oppose n motion carries we're
now in the

1233
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:10,360
discussion well I hate rate increases
for one but I know we need them and I

1234
01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:16,800
think D the great job explained that
we're paying for past mistakes today and

1235
01:42:14,400 --> 01:42:19,960
I I heard our constituent say that they
don't even have a sewer in their yard

1236
01:42:18,199 --> 01:42:23,679
and goes for the same for kids for
parents that don't have kids in school

1237
01:42:21,239 --> 01:42:27,639
anymore paying the school fees it's it's
just part of what we have to do for our

1238
01:42:25,119 --> 01:42:32,320
community to live and I'm going to
support I'm going to continue to support

1239
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:39,239
this rate increase because city
is don't thing I would and I agree um

1240
01:42:36,159 --> 01:42:44,840
both counselors is that just reminder
that we do have some opportunities for

1241
01:42:41,080 --> 01:42:52,320
those who are on call assistance I call
it fixed income to get a reduced

1242
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:56,480
price as long as they qualify and I
think that's if you're in that kind of

1243
01:42:54,679 --> 01:43:01,719
boat probably should touch base with the
city and I know they've been open about

1244
01:42:58,800 --> 01:43:06,320
giving those kinds of discounts so don't
forget to do that if you are in that

1245
01:43:03,719 --> 01:43:12,320
kind of a condition I represent some of
those senior folks don't have a fixed

1246
01:43:08,679 --> 01:43:17,880
income yet but I get the part about
needing to look at what your future is

1247
01:43:15,440 --> 01:43:23,360
when you're getting to be kind of
old all right

1248
01:43:20,480 --> 01:43:25,560
um any further discussion or MO motion
to

1249
01:43:26,040 --> 01:43:35,040
adopt I'll make a mo motion to adopt the
fee increases for just by is there a

1250
01:43:32,719 --> 01:43:40,360
second I'll second it a motion by
councelor exner a second by councelor

1251
01:43:37,000 --> 01:43:46,880
Hokinson to adopt resolution 2023 D28
the Master Fee in charge of schedule all

1252
01:43:43,159 --> 01:43:53,080
those in favor signify by saying I I I
oppose n motion carries thank you all

1253
01:43:51,080 --> 01:43:57,719
right moving ahead to another public
public

1254
01:43:53,960 --> 01:44:02,480
hearing I open this public hearing at
7:50 p.m. for resolution

1255
01:44:02,719 --> 01:44:11,040
20232 um I will now call for any
extensions from the hearing

1256
01:44:08,360 --> 01:44:16,520
body hearing then I'll Now call for any
conflicts of interest from the hearing

1257
01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:23,199
body all right Josh you want to give us
a staff report welcome by the way thank

1258
01:44:19,239 --> 01:44:26,400
you good evening mayor and city council
you know the city of sany has had a

1259
01:44:24,599 --> 01:44:32,080
development moratorium in place since
October of last year and at the last

1260
01:44:29,880 --> 01:44:37,280
city council meeting city council
approved a consent decree to settle some

1261
01:44:35,400 --> 01:44:43,639
uh outstanding enforcement issues with
EPA and DEQ relating to the Wastewater

1262
01:44:41,440 --> 01:44:47,400
capacity issues that were the basis for
that

1263
01:44:44,480 --> 01:44:52,320
moratorium purpose of this uh agenda
item is to align the terms of the

1264
01:44:49,520 --> 01:44:54,960
moratorium with the consent decree and
also to

1265
01:44:53,639 --> 01:45:01,639
uh make some other changes based on
staff's experience with the moratorium

1266
01:44:56,679 --> 01:45:06,080
to date the general uh result of
approving this measure would be to

1267
01:45:03,960 --> 01:45:09,440
significantly loosen the terms of the
moratorium that's currently in effect

1268
01:45:08,440 --> 01:45:13,760
most
significantly more than doubling the

1269
01:45:12,040 --> 01:45:19,080
amount of additional flows that will be
allowed from new construction um under

1270
01:45:17,119 --> 01:45:24,440
this these changes versus the existing
moratorium the moratorium um in front of

1271
01:45:21,960 --> 01:45:29,880
you this evening also provides that city
council will re-evaluate it within six

1272
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:34,719
months or when uh we have the results of
the stress test that the Waste Water

1273
01:45:32,679 --> 01:45:39,679
treatment system is currently undergoing
whichever is sooner and we do expect the

1274
01:45:36,639 --> 01:45:44,400
results of that stress test this
fall in addition um I received from

1275
01:45:42,719 --> 01:45:49,280
counselor Walker a few questions this
afternoon I just want to make sure to

1276
01:45:45,560 --> 01:45:54,520
cover those um there's a question about
the uh language about middle housing

1277
01:45:51,639 --> 01:45:59,880
land divisions and duplex
that is a clarification under the

1278
01:45:56,719 --> 01:46:05,320
existing moratorium it says that we're
allowing those to go forward when the

1279
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:09,040
duplex is already built the the new
language in front of you clarifies that

1280
01:46:07,119 --> 01:46:13,719
could actually happen before it's built
this doesn't have any impact on whether

1281
01:46:10,920 --> 01:46:18,400
a duplex can be built or not it's just a
matter of the timing of the land

1282
01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:24,360
Division and that land division the only
effect that that land division has under

1283
01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:30,199
cville 458 is regarding the ownership of
duplexes it allows for um a person who

1284
01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:35,480
who occupies a duplex to Lo own the land
underneath their duplex versus having

1285
01:46:32,760 --> 01:46:39,920
that land be um the same land underneath
both units of the

1286
01:46:37,199 --> 01:46:45,280
duplex there's also a question about why
annexations are proposed to be allowed

1287
01:46:42,599 --> 01:46:50,639
under this new version of the
moratorium they weren't previously in

1288
01:46:47,920 --> 01:46:56,159
discussing that with staff um the
original reason to not allow

1289
01:46:53,360 --> 01:47:03,119
annexations was more of a a messaging
and a avoiding confusion issue rather

1290
01:46:59,800 --> 01:47:06,520
than a liability issue U not wanting to
create a expectation that because you're

1291
01:47:05,159 --> 01:47:10,480
annexing you're going to be able to
develop your

1292
01:47:07,560 --> 01:47:16,440
property but it doesn't create a vested
rights problem or ORS 9204 problem for

1293
01:47:14,199 --> 01:47:22,440
the city to allow indexations and
allowing them would allow for uh some of

1294
01:47:20,560 --> 01:47:26,199
these developments to kind of start take
these potenti future developments that

1295
01:47:23,960 --> 01:47:31,599
start taking those initial first steps
towards um being able to develop in the

1296
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:35,960
future when there's capacity to allow
it and then finally there's a question

1297
01:47:33,840 --> 01:47:40,599
about the language about septic
systems this is not changing anything

1298
01:47:38,280 --> 01:47:44,679
about when septic systems are allowed or
not allowed it's just saying that if you

1299
01:47:42,760 --> 01:47:48,320
are in one of those very narrow
circumstances where you're allowed to

1300
01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:50,880
have a septic system that the moratorium
would have apply to you because you're

1301
01:47:49,360 --> 01:47:53,880
not impacting the wastewater treatment
system

1302
01:47:54,520 --> 01:48:02,000
happy to take any other questions um but
staff's recommendation is to hold

1303
01:47:58,360 --> 01:48:06,920
hearing and uh the new moratorium as
presented thank you we'll move ahead to

1304
01:48:04,880 --> 01:48:12,159
public testimony uh first I'm going to
provide some guidelines to those who may

1305
01:48:09,360 --> 01:48:16,960
wish to speak uh first uh public
testimony needs to be on the topic of

1306
01:48:14,119 --> 01:48:20,440
the public testimony please try to avoid
repetition if someone else has already

1307
01:48:18,760 --> 01:48:24,440
expressed the same thoughts it is
sufficient to state that you agree with

1308
01:48:22,159 --> 01:48:29,440
the statements of a previous speaker
even if that's all you say if you have

1309
01:48:27,239 --> 01:48:34,159
documents Maps or letters that you wish
to have considered uh by the body they

1310
01:48:32,280 --> 01:48:39,800
must formally be placed into the record
of this proceeding to do that either

1311
01:48:36,800 --> 01:48:46,920
before or after you speak email your
materials to recorder c. sandy. r. us

1312
01:48:45,239 --> 01:48:52,159
and staff will make sure your evidence
is properly processed all right to offer

1313
01:48:50,239 --> 01:48:55,560
public testimony of three ways of doing
that if you're online please click the

1314
01:48:53,920 --> 01:49:00,000
raised hand button and let us know that
you wish to testify if you're here

1315
01:48:58,040 --> 01:49:04,000
please raise your hand when it's time to
testify and I'll call on you for your

1316
01:49:01,679 --> 01:49:10,040
time to testify and if you're
participating via telephone please dial

1317
01:49:06,199 --> 01:49:14,320
star9 to raise your hand and wait to be
recognized oh then I call on each person

1318
01:49:12,560 --> 01:49:18,159
to speak each person will receive up to
three minutes to testify and the city

1319
01:49:16,880 --> 01:49:22,960
recorder will let you know when you have
20 seconds

1320
01:49:19,800 --> 01:49:30,800
remaining um all right with that I will
now call for anyone who wishes to

1321
01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:35,679
testify okay see there anyone online yet
may I don't see any raised hands all

1322
01:49:32,719 --> 01:49:43,080
right let's first go with you Mr Becker
just a question reg Becker 14585 Bluff

1323
01:49:39,679 --> 01:49:50,599
Road uh I see we're wanting to increase
uh the I believe it's EF

1324
01:49:46,159 --> 01:49:58,560
efus okay from uh 100 something to 300
will this increase the amount of money

1325
01:49:54,239 --> 01:50:03,119
taken in by the city and if so how
much I know could that affects your

1326
01:50:01,400 --> 01:50:08,560
budget well it will definitely affect
the budget because what basically with

1327
01:50:05,040 --> 01:50:13,880
this is is more that that's the increase
of people that are able to hook into our

1328
01:50:11,440 --> 01:50:19,119
was with new developments that are so
that will allow more developments to

1329
01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:23,480
come developing so yeah I mean the short
answer is at some point yes it'll it'll

1330
01:50:21,480 --> 01:50:27,119
increase the revenue we have
unfortunately the erus that are proposed

1331
01:50:25,679 --> 01:50:33,199
in this
INE hit our property tax rules for many

1332
01:50:29,880 --> 01:50:37,520
many more years so yeah okay I was just
just curious because it's more than

1333
01:50:35,159 --> 01:50:42,159
double so whatever we're taking in now I
would imagine it would then be double

1334
01:50:40,280 --> 01:50:48,440
yeah we'll take more in fees it'll
increase the property tax you know

1335
01:50:45,079 --> 01:50:53,960
Revenue in come up as well okay but also
we usually issue about 80 to 120

1336
01:50:51,119 --> 01:50:58,040
building permits a year so this 300 is
you know could be for the next two years

1337
01:50:55,800 --> 01:51:02,119
or so depending on how many applications
we get so it's kind of just allowing for

1338
01:51:00,159 --> 01:51:07,719
some of the normal building permit
issuance that we've had all along no it

1339
01:51:05,000 --> 01:51:12,480
just kind of brings up lots of other
questions thanks great appreciate it all

1340
01:51:10,480 --> 01:51:19,800
right Michael you're up and remember
we're talking moratorium for housing

1341
01:51:15,800 --> 01:51:24,560
here housing yeah yeah the voucher is
$1800 that's what the that's what's on

1342
01:51:22,639 --> 01:51:29,920
the plate and that's supposed to pay
your rent and part of your electric bill

1343
01:51:27,639 --> 01:51:35,639
you know I told him today I want my Bou
right here in s the orgon so I'm G to be

1344
01:51:32,760 --> 01:51:39,079
P I'm gonna be paying all these fees
that I'm seeing and how am I going to do

1345
01:51:37,440 --> 01:51:46,040
that on
$900 I

1346
01:51:41,599 --> 01:51:49,880
ain't you know I want you know and I
want to say something about the

1347
01:51:47,239 --> 01:51:53,800
Wastewater and stuff I'd like to see you
look out of the box and maybe hire an

1348
01:51:51,920 --> 01:52:01,159
outskirt
first to do your water testing your

1349
01:51:56,880 --> 01:52:06,199
asbest all that can be done at Rose City
as right now there's licens and

1350
01:52:04,199 --> 01:52:11,280
everything ready to go he's doing all
the water testing and I think Sandy

1351
01:52:08,119 --> 01:52:17,599
needs it I really do I took some samples
around Sandy and already ran into the

1352
01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:21,840
lab we have a problem with a lot of
stuff but I'm not going to bring it up

1353
01:52:19,159 --> 01:52:26,239
tonight we can talk get your
Construction guy can get a hold of Dan

1354
01:52:23,679 --> 01:52:30,079
Hughes over at Rose City lab we can help
you out we about the fish the

1355
01:52:28,560 --> 01:52:35,119
environment and everything else we can
do soil samples and all that Rose City

1356
01:52:32,639 --> 01:52:42,199
lab God bless thank you sir appreciate
your time all right with that uh I lost

1357
01:52:39,040 --> 01:52:45,800
my spot um all right we're to the staff
recap and recommendation

1358
01:52:46,320 --> 01:52:54,159
Josh the uh moratorium resolution in
front of you would enact new moratorium

1359
01:52:52,599 --> 01:52:57,960
to align the terms with the consent
decree and make the other changes that

1360
01:52:55,960 --> 01:53:01,960
are outlined in the staff report and I'm
happy to answer any questions you may

1361
01:52:59,199 --> 01:53:06,040
have all right thank you I will now call
for a motion to close the public hearing

1362
01:53:04,679 --> 01:53:10,639
I think a motion to close the public
hearing is there a second second motion

1363
01:53:08,639 --> 01:53:13,599
by councelor Sheldon a second by
councelor baiton to close the public

1364
01:53:12,040 --> 01:53:18,280
hearing what do you guys think should
vote on this I just got a question for

1365
01:53:15,719 --> 01:53:22,520
the record okay when does this if this
passes when when does it become affected

1366
01:53:20,840 --> 01:53:27,840
immediately that's it thank you
assistant memers close public hearing so

1367
01:53:24,639 --> 01:53:33,079
all those in favor signify by saying I I
oppose n all right motion carries all

1368
01:53:31,199 --> 01:53:38,480
right uh we're now on the discussion or
additional questions can I make a motion

1369
01:53:35,840 --> 01:53:42,599
to adopt yeah I move to adopt resolution
20

1370
01:53:40,159 --> 01:53:49,320
23-27 second right there's a motion by
councelor Smallwood and a second by

1371
01:53:44,679 --> 01:53:49,320
councelor Walker to adopt uh resolution

1372
01:53:52,719 --> 01:54:03,840
I post name motion carries all right
thank you everybody for that uh moving

1373
01:54:01,639 --> 01:54:10,320
ahead guess what I'm
doing we're opening another public

1374
01:54:08,079 --> 01:54:15,440
hearing
2023-24 at

1375
01:54:12,239 --> 01:54:20,159
800m I will now call for any extensions
of the hearing

1376
01:54:17,159 --> 01:54:25,440
body I'll Now call for any conflicts of
interest from the hearing body

1377
01:54:23,760 --> 01:54:30,840
all right Kelly you're up with the staff
report you want

1378
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:36,079
come so this is kind of the hopefully
the final step in a oh I don't know how

1379
01:54:33,560 --> 01:54:40,119
many years we've been doing this project
um at least three or four years it seems

1380
01:54:37,639 --> 01:54:44,159
like um and I'm not going to go into it
we really longwinded here because we

1381
01:54:42,079 --> 01:54:48,639
just had a work session recently it then
went to Planning Commission uh and

1382
01:54:46,199 --> 01:54:53,119
they're recommending approval of the
ordinance and the tsp that's before you

1383
01:54:51,119 --> 01:54:58,639
tonight and with that I'm going to turn
it over to consultant Ria with dks

1384
01:54:55,520 --> 01:55:03,880
Associates hello see again I just need
to get on

1385
01:54:59,800 --> 01:55:07,560
Wii I talk uh thanks everyone so so last
time you were here now you can only

1386
01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:11,840
drive 25 miles per hour
everywhere not updated

1387
01:55:09,920 --> 01:55:18,719
[Laughter]
your that is something

1388
01:55:15,119 --> 01:55:18,719
else I think she called

1389
01:55:19,000 --> 01:55:25,280
you R do you need any help with the
slides no I okay I'm going off my phone

1390
01:55:23,679 --> 01:55:30,239
see she's been here so many times she's
feeling comfortable with

1391
01:55:27,400 --> 01:55:33,480
it this Project's been the never ending
one I need

1392
01:55:38,520 --> 01:55:41,520
to

1393
01:55:45,119 --> 01:55:49,440
anybody if you like I can share the
slides

1394
01:55:50,159 --> 01:55:54,159
too might

1395
01:56:01,440 --> 01:56:03,760
I guess I

1396
01:56:09,400 --> 01:56:14,079
should I was trying to join meeting

1397
01:56:16,360 --> 01:56:19,479
[Music]

1398
01:56:22,599 --> 01:56:24,840
there you

1399
01:56:31,520 --> 01:56:39,920
are quick of people all right how's that
everybody hear me see

1400
01:56:37,199 --> 01:56:42,440
me all right I just need to share my
screen

1401
01:56:42,480 --> 01:56:51,360
now
this hold on a million

1402
01:56:46,560 --> 01:56:51,360
clicks get where I want to go

1403
01:57:00,800 --> 01:57:07,119
wonderful all right thanks everyone and
you guys have a very full agenda tonight

1404
01:57:04,520 --> 01:57:10,639
obviously so I am going to zip really
fast through some of the first slides I

1405
01:57:09,199 --> 01:57:16,560
think it's Stu you guys
know um so as far as our process um

1406
01:57:15,280 --> 01:57:20,440
again I'm not going to read all these of
you guys have questions but this is a B

1407
01:57:18,760 --> 01:57:25,119
list of why we're updating the tsp the
current one was adopted in 2009 14 years

1408
01:57:23,360 --> 01:57:28,199
old there's a lot of plans um that we
need to incorporate and things have

1409
01:57:26,560 --> 01:57:32,719
changed a bunch since
then um we're looking at addressing

1410
01:57:31,000 --> 01:57:36,599
congestion making sure we have a
Strategic investment plan um some grants

1411
01:57:35,280 --> 01:57:40,440
make sure you guys are set it for Grants
and also there's a development code

1412
01:57:38,199 --> 01:57:43,920
update that comes with it um here's a
quick schedule you can see as Kelly said

1413
01:57:42,159 --> 01:57:49,040
we were at the very end feels good to
finally be wrapping this up and this

1414
01:57:46,199 --> 01:57:53,320
only goes back to September 2020 I did
not want to have a wrap around wrap

1415
01:57:50,840 --> 01:57:57,239
around wrap around that shows everything
that we've been doing so this is just

1416
01:57:54,960 --> 01:58:00,920
like yeah the last eight
months um of course we've had a bunch of

1417
01:57:59,400 --> 01:58:04,800
public Outreach we had a community we've
had two Community surveys and then we

1418
01:58:02,719 --> 01:58:10,480
also had a table at Futures
pest um some input from the surveys this

1419
01:58:08,320 --> 01:58:13,079
was what was important to them again I
don't I'm not gonna go through all this

1420
01:58:11,520 --> 01:58:17,960
but congestion comes up a lot driving
comes up a lot safety comes up a lot um

1421
01:58:16,320 --> 01:58:23,560
we had asked the community about some
high priority projects on the bypass

1422
01:58:20,480 --> 01:58:28,400
came up as a top number one and three
projects dearco 211 um and then some

1423
01:58:27,159 --> 01:58:33,360
connectivity improvements in the
southwest part of town and then Highway

1424
01:58:30,560 --> 01:58:37,119
21 on its own were several were themes
of improvements that people would like

1425
01:58:34,679 --> 01:58:40,480
to see so any questions on that I know
that was fast but like Kelly said we

1426
01:58:38,880 --> 01:58:44,199
just had a work session and I know you
all did your homework books all right so

1427
01:58:42,199 --> 01:58:50,480
I'm G to jump right into priority
projects um again we have nine goals

1428
01:58:47,360 --> 01:58:53,320
that we developed everything that we are
identifying as a priority are always

1429
01:58:52,119 --> 01:58:58,440
reaching back to make sure we're
advancing these goals for the

1430
01:58:56,079 --> 01:59:03,159
community um here it just shows yeah we
work from the vision the goals um we

1431
01:59:00,679 --> 01:59:06,520
came up with evaluation criteria looking
with all of the issues that we have at

1432
01:59:04,560 --> 01:59:10,119
the city you know what are the long list
of improvements that we could do and

1433
01:59:08,159 --> 01:59:15,360
then again reaching back to those goals
what should our Priority Solutions be

1434
01:59:12,119 --> 01:59:18,320
and also based on what we can afford
which comes up to the funding shortfall

1435
01:59:17,000 --> 01:59:22,719
that's probably the theme for tonight
what we'll probably talk about the most

1436
01:59:20,440 --> 01:59:28,360
um if we take all of our tsp projects
they add up to $710

1437
01:59:25,239 --> 01:59:32,320
million but to be fair 390 million of
that is the bypass and those are all in

1438
01:59:30,760 --> 01:59:37,159
today
dollars um so if we take just the high

1439
01:59:35,360 --> 01:59:44,679
priority projects that came out of our
initial screening that's $57

1440
01:59:40,520 --> 01:59:49,960
million and looking at the 20-year
forecast of Revenue that's coming in and

1441
01:59:47,920 --> 01:59:54,520
expenditures that will be going out we
roughly have 10.8 million to spend for

1442
01:59:52,520 --> 02:00:00,199
yeah and I will get you your questions
yeah and I read Kelly sentence me too so

1443
01:59:57,440 --> 02:00:04,719
um what we do through the tsp process is
we will have two packages of projects

1444
02:00:02,679 --> 02:00:08,719
one that we call the financially
constrainted project list that's what in

1445
02:00:06,480 --> 02:00:12,440
Oregon we call that that's what can we
afford with that $10.8 million what is

1446
02:00:10,920 --> 02:00:18,239
our priority that we're going to spend
on and then everything that's left over

1447
02:00:15,639 --> 02:00:23,280
the $710 million we put that on what we
call an aspirational project list but I

1448
02:00:20,599 --> 02:00:26,639
will clarify um we are required to do
this for a tsp just so we are having

1449
02:00:25,280 --> 02:00:30,520
conversations about what are our
priorities and making sure that we have

1450
02:00:28,239 --> 02:00:37,280
a financial lens when we're making that
decision but other than that um you can

1451
02:00:35,119 --> 02:00:40,480
go after a grant on anything does not
matter what list it's on if a

1452
02:00:39,119 --> 02:00:44,400
development comes in and they have
Frontage improvements or an offsite

1453
02:00:42,159 --> 02:00:49,199
impact they will also build that as a
mitigation it does not matter what

1454
02:00:46,679 --> 02:00:52,639
project or what list that project is on
this is just showing that we've given

1455
02:00:50,639 --> 02:00:58,199
some Financial thought to what our
priorities

1456
02:00:54,800 --> 02:01:04,360
are um and then I'll get um councelor
Walker's question so what when into our

1457
02:01:00,800 --> 02:01:07,960
financial estimate is we worked with the
city and we looked at the last five

1458
02:01:05,880 --> 02:01:12,239
years of all Transportation Revenue that
came in so that's your portion of the

1459
02:01:10,000 --> 02:01:16,320
state gas tax right you have a local gas
tax um there's a registration fee that

1460
02:01:14,280 --> 02:01:19,599
you get from Clackamus County you
collect transportation systs and

1461
02:01:17,880 --> 02:01:22,960
development charges You've Won grants
like there's other things that come in

1462
02:01:20,840 --> 02:01:27,280
that to do but then we also subtracted
out all the expenditures based on your F

1463
02:01:25,400 --> 02:01:31,880
averages which are your maintenance and
your personnel and any other

1464
02:01:29,360 --> 02:01:38,079
expenditures street lights um all of
that gets subtracted

1465
02:01:33,599 --> 02:01:42,560
out um so of that 10.8 million most of
it over $9 million is what we're

1466
02:01:40,880 --> 02:01:47,000
estimating the city will collect with
their transportation system development

1467
02:01:44,239 --> 02:01:51,239
charges so when we do our 20-year
forecast and we estimate what we think

1468
02:01:49,560 --> 02:01:56,599
the traffic volumes will be like in the
city that's based on some land use

1469
02:01:53,920 --> 02:02:01,639
projections the growth in households and
jobs um so then we assume that if that

1470
02:01:59,360 --> 02:02:05,920
amount of development happened and we
apply your system development charges in

1471
02:02:03,639 --> 02:02:09,400
today dollars this is how how much we
could expect and we know that escalates

1472
02:02:07,520 --> 02:02:14,320
over time but so do cost estimates right
for all the projects um so yes we're not

1473
02:02:12,119 --> 02:02:17,840
spending any of this money on
maintenance like we're not stealing

1474
02:02:15,679 --> 02:02:23,960
maintenance money that's what councelor
walkr asked steal yeah no well we are

1475
02:02:21,239 --> 02:02:28,520
not you know using so that was my
concern is that you know our road

1476
02:02:25,679 --> 02:02:33,000
maintenance fund got depleted the other
question I had related to that was um

1477
02:02:31,040 --> 02:02:37,400
have we taken out the bond payments for
360 second that's all just funded that's

1478
02:02:35,360 --> 02:02:41,159
in its own pocket over here and then you
also did have a question and it'll come

1479
02:02:38,840 --> 02:02:45,960
up I'll get to in a second but the ODOT
so we did ask ODOT for a not a promise

1480
02:02:44,040 --> 02:02:51,199
estimate on what they possibly could
maybe spend on their facilities in the

1481
02:02:49,079 --> 02:02:55,079
city yeah well we know um and they did
give us a number is right around a

1482
02:02:52,960 --> 02:02:59,639
million dollars um and you will see we
do list ODOT as the leading Agency on

1483
02:02:57,880 --> 02:03:04,040
all projects that are within their right
away because they would have to be the

1484
02:03:01,360 --> 02:03:06,920
lead it's their Road um but that doesn't
mean there would not be obviously a cost

1485
02:03:05,840 --> 02:03:11,119
sharing if there's something that's
really important to the city um and ODOT

1486
02:03:09,840 --> 02:03:14,360
maybe doesn't think it's as big a
priority in the future there would be

1487
02:03:13,119 --> 02:03:17,920
you know some sort of cost sharing that
we'd have to come up with for though so

1488
02:03:16,159 --> 02:03:23,360
that's why they're the lead agency but
they are by no way saying we are going

1489
02:03:20,040 --> 02:03:29,440
to 100% pay for all those projects
so good thank you sure here good

1490
02:03:26,760 --> 02:03:32,440
questions nice to know them in advance
so I'm just going to go through these a

1491
02:03:30,560 --> 02:03:37,079
little quick so these are all of the
projects that we are putting on that

1492
02:03:34,719 --> 02:03:40,800
financially constrained project list
based on conversations I've had in work

1493
02:03:39,000 --> 02:03:45,239
sessions with the public um and then
with Planning Commission hearing that we

1494
02:03:42,360 --> 02:03:50,760
had these were the top of how we would
like to spend that roughly one or $10.8

1495
02:03:47,679 --> 02:03:56,320
million that we have so uh there's a
couple pedestrian projects um they add

1496
02:03:53,159 --> 02:04:03,280
up to just under $2 million and they
include on 362 doing some sidewalk

1497
02:04:00,239 --> 02:04:08,199
infill fairly long can see it's almost a
million dollars of sidewalk infill and

1498
02:04:05,719 --> 02:04:13,000
then several times um project P3 we've
talked about infill of some Pro

1499
02:04:10,239 --> 02:04:17,760
sidewalks on Bluff Road as well so those
are

1500
02:04:15,000 --> 02:04:22,520
included so I guess that's it so any
question on the sidewalk infill projects

1501
02:04:25,920 --> 02:04:32,400
and then there are quite a few roadway
Crossing projects that total up to 1.3

1502
02:04:29,679 --> 02:04:37,000
million though the majority of these are
covered with a is it still pending Kelly

1503
02:04:35,119 --> 02:04:42,559
or have you I haven't applied for it yet
oh but you're okay yeah a future safe

1504
02:04:40,239 --> 02:04:46,960
rout to school Grant um that the city
feels extremely confident that they will

1505
02:04:44,239 --> 02:04:50,000
be successful in winning so and and that
is included in our re Revenue estimate

1506
02:04:48,960 --> 02:04:55,599
as well we're not showing them as
funding because we don't 100%

1507
02:04:52,280 --> 02:04:59,679
no um but these are not part of the 1.8
we assume they could be funded by the

1508
02:04:57,239 --> 02:05:02,639
safe gr safe grats to school money and
based on previous conversations with the

1509
02:05:01,239 --> 02:05:07,159
council I think it was around the budget
hearing

1510
02:05:03,960 --> 02:05:12,320
process I believe that's when it was um
it sounded like the council wanted

1511
02:05:09,280 --> 02:05:16,000
additional considerations for starting
some additional conversations with the

1512
02:05:13,880 --> 02:05:20,000
school district to find out what their
commitment would be towards the project

1513
02:05:17,599 --> 02:05:22,840
before I apply for another Grant so I
think that's sure that's why I'm not

1514
02:05:21,320 --> 02:05:29,199
proceeding at I think those
conversations need occur first okay and

1515
02:05:25,719 --> 02:05:33,520
you'll see most of these are fairly low
cost some are get a little bit higher

1516
02:05:30,480 --> 02:05:37,840
but they're all curb extensions marked
crosswalks appropriate signing for

1517
02:05:35,679 --> 02:05:42,000
crosswalks by school some of them are um
like flashing beacons depending on the

1518
02:05:39,840 --> 02:05:46,360
condition so it's it's a lot of just
traffic calming and yeah Crossing

1519
02:05:44,239 --> 02:05:50,559
improvements um around the middle school
and around the elementary

1520
02:05:48,079 --> 02:05:54,480
school here's some more of them and
around the library as well and around

1521
02:05:52,079 --> 02:05:59,800
the library as well yep so they have so
those are all the cost Crossing projects

1522
02:05:57,119 --> 02:05:59,800
any question on

1523
02:06:00,040 --> 02:06:08,520
those well the
one the um Bluff Road one and so re

1524
02:06:06,480 --> 02:06:13,599
reallocate existing roadway space to
provide buffered blue bike bike Lanes

1525
02:06:10,960 --> 02:06:20,119
which project number sorry I'm sorry C7
okay thank you about the real the space

1526
02:06:16,719 --> 02:06:29,360
for bike Lanes on 26 and so that's
between Bluff and 36 second is that

1527
02:06:22,800 --> 02:06:33,280
right left at 26 wait at 3 C7 right C7
so it's Bluff Road on Bluff Road at at

1528
02:06:32,559 --> 02:06:36,800
the
highway so not by

1529
02:06:37,440 --> 02:06:46,480
3602 says one B by provide buffered or
separated bicycle facilities at the

1530
02:06:43,800 --> 02:06:46,480
intersection

1531
02:06:47,880 --> 02:06:57,199
Crossing for C7 I don't
yes in the middle description

1532
02:06:54,520 --> 02:07:01,960
part third third line down in the
description modernize Cur ex sentence

1533
02:06:59,559 --> 02:07:07,559
pedestrian scale lighting oh separate or
bicep sorry I now I found it so yes so

1534
02:07:05,599 --> 02:07:10,440
are we getting ready of one of the lanes
for that stuff

1535
02:07:10,480 --> 02:07:17,400
or when I asked somebody else they
thought that was that ODOT had come and

1536
02:07:15,239 --> 02:07:24,119
said that they were interested in bike
Lanes from 26 to 3602 oh well so this is

1537
02:07:20,880 --> 02:07:28,559
on Bluff Road right not on the highway
so but again at that intersection if

1538
02:07:26,559 --> 02:07:32,440
you're planning I mean are you getting
rid of one of the turn Lanes or

1539
02:07:30,199 --> 02:07:35,880
something to do these
bike I don't think so that is not the

1540
02:07:34,559 --> 02:07:40,960
intent no no I think it'd be rest
striping the lane Lids I think it would

1541
02:07:37,880 --> 02:07:44,320
be narrowing the lanes yeah I don't
think we we would definitely not be

1542
02:07:42,400 --> 02:07:49,000
promoting losing there's not enough
Lanes to lose yeah

1543
02:07:46,679 --> 02:07:52,520
that's the other project do in Portland
is they just get rid of the lane and

1544
02:07:50,599 --> 02:07:55,760
paint it green so the the other project
you're talking about was something that

1545
02:07:53,960 --> 02:07:58,040
ODOT was interested in and I think they
even came and spoke before the council

1546
02:07:57,320 --> 02:08:01,960
like
pre-co and I actually just re-engaged

1547
02:08:00,320 --> 02:08:06,320
with them on another project and they
didn't mention it again don't re-engage

1548
02:08:04,639 --> 02:08:11,719
no it was about something else and they
said well we might proceed we might not

1549
02:08:08,719 --> 02:08:16,320
who knows so don't bring it up again no
we were talking about something

1550
02:08:13,400 --> 02:08:22,559
else other
issues thank

1551
02:08:19,280 --> 02:08:27,920
you and then the next group of project
or driving projects that total up to

1552
02:08:24,880 --> 02:08:33,440
approximately $7 million I'll go through
these a little bit um so D3 is the 26

1553
02:08:31,960 --> 02:08:37,719
360 second Drive intersection
Improvement that you all know that's um

1554
02:08:36,400 --> 02:08:41,440
already through design under
construction and that'll be adding that

1555
02:08:39,840 --> 02:08:47,719
North
Leg um D6 is Highway 2 Le at practor

1556
02:08:46,400 --> 02:08:53,119
this one came out I believe through our
work session people have commented that

1557
02:08:50,719 --> 02:08:58,000
it's really hard for um the Northbound
approach the Northbound approach is too

1558
02:08:55,280 --> 02:09:01,920
far for the westbound left to turn so
it's a it's a very cost- effective

1559
02:08:59,679 --> 02:09:08,639
$155,000 to restripe that intersection
and make it better for truck

1560
02:09:04,840 --> 02:09:15,840
maneuverability um D9 is Highway 2 11 at
dearco um which is tied and I'll get to

1561
02:09:13,199 --> 02:09:20,719
that it's tied to d27 they're kind of
twins together um D9 is the actual

1562
02:09:18,679 --> 02:09:25,280
Improvement project we set aside half a
million dollar

1563
02:09:22,280 --> 02:09:32,360
for an unidentified project there we're
not exactly sure what we need d27 is the

1564
02:09:28,960 --> 02:09:35,400
project that could do the study um I
know this intersection has been a high

1565
02:09:33,559 --> 02:09:39,520
priority for Council Planning Commission
and the public uh it's pedestrian

1566
02:09:37,840 --> 02:09:44,480
Crossing bicycle Crossing vehicle
Crossing it's a safety

1567
02:09:41,679 --> 02:09:48,760
issue um just the level analysis that we
do we've done for a tsp we know in the

1568
02:09:46,719 --> 02:09:53,239
future you know it would benefit from a
roundabout or it would benefit from a

1569
02:09:50,480 --> 02:09:57,320
traffic signal but because of the grades
it's not an obvious just plug in and

1570
02:09:55,239 --> 02:10:01,320
Improvement in a walk away we don't
think um so we would like to study it

1571
02:09:59,880 --> 02:10:05,320
more to make sure that we're moving
forward with the right improvements and

1572
02:10:03,480 --> 02:10:08,960
that that includes um digging in a
little bit deeper like with the civil

1573
02:10:06,719 --> 02:10:13,280
engineer help and actually taking a look
at what it would take to be so the way

1574
02:10:11,400 --> 02:10:17,800
this is set up is we could look at it
through a study which is project d27 and

1575
02:10:15,960 --> 02:10:22,520
then once it's determined this is just a
placeholder for $500,000 to cover

1576
02:10:20,320 --> 02:10:26,840
whatever type of improvement movement um
would come out of that it's a bit of an

1577
02:10:25,239 --> 02:10:29,920
estimate right because we don't 100%
know what it would be but we want to

1578
02:10:28,440 --> 02:10:34,480
make sure because it's a high priority
that it is included in our plan so any

1579
02:10:33,079 --> 02:10:42,119
questions on
that no

1580
02:10:37,639 --> 02:10:49,000
okay um and then D let's see d4a
15a um the B rate extension which is

1581
02:10:44,840 --> 02:10:57,480
funded the 362 Drive Extension to Bell
which is funded

1582
02:10:51,920 --> 02:11:02,119
D20 is just um an extension of dearco at
26 um which we we've talked about as

1583
02:11:00,679 --> 02:11:05,760
well over the Vista
loop let's see some of these are just

1584
02:11:04,320 --> 02:11:09,800
Redway connections that are even in the
current plan that D21 f is the Village

1585
02:11:08,040 --> 02:11:14,119
Boulevard extension which is over by
Cascadia Village Drive so we want to

1586
02:11:11,920 --> 02:11:19,840
make sure that that collector extension
is included um d24 is Highway 211

1587
02:11:17,960 --> 02:11:24,159
roundabout at Gunderson I know the city
currently has a consultant on board

1588
02:11:22,000 --> 02:11:29,000
to start the preliminary design I guess
full design of that with the cost

1589
02:11:26,320 --> 02:11:32,520
estimate um and if you remember there's
some background with the developer

1590
02:11:30,199 --> 02:11:35,000
paying some money towards that and yeah
you gotta spend a certain amount of

1591
02:11:33,760 --> 02:11:39,280
money about a certain amount of time
yeah and there's there's ongoing we're

1592
02:11:37,280 --> 02:11:43,400
still looking at that it might right now
we've identified it as a roundabout but

1593
02:11:41,040 --> 02:11:47,440
it might turn out to just be turn Lanes
we just don't know yet until we get a

1594
02:11:45,119 --> 02:11:52,199
actual official cost estimate yeah but
it will be there will be improvements to

1595
02:11:49,199 --> 02:11:57,320
the intersection yes
now let's see d27 is the study that I

1596
02:11:54,520 --> 02:12:03,440
talked about towards 211
dearco and D31 is setting aside a

1597
02:12:00,679 --> 02:12:08,000
million dollars for future planning for
the bypass to keep that

1598
02:12:05,840 --> 02:12:12,440
moving based on I think Council
recommendation from an earlier

1599
02:12:10,320 --> 02:12:18,400
meeting and that's it for the top
driving projects any questions on those

1600
02:12:15,320 --> 02:12:23,239
yes please um so like the the dearco
road extension you've got 3.9 and but

1601
02:12:21,440 --> 02:12:29,079
the the funding source talks about
developers and partial SDC credits and

1602
02:12:30,760 --> 02:12:38,440
so why would we be including like four a
$4 million project that then we would be

1603
02:12:36,719 --> 02:12:42,400
but the developers would be paying for
or the sdc's would be paying for uh

1604
02:12:41,599 --> 02:12:50,040
which
projects oh D20 D20 well I will say this

1605
02:12:47,079 --> 02:12:53,920
gets a a little bit confusing because we
all the the transportation system

1606
02:12:51,920 --> 02:12:59,239
development charges will be coming into
the city right but then the city does

1607
02:12:56,040 --> 02:13:05,760
have to give some credits back when they
pay them um but when we typically do a

1608
02:13:03,280 --> 02:13:09,400
tsp we don't account for the credits
because we don't know what that's going

1609
02:13:07,199 --> 02:13:13,840
to be so we're we are trying to keep
this somewhat high level and not get to

1610
02:13:12,239 --> 02:13:19,520
such a level that we're making so many
assumptions on you know decisions that

1611
02:13:16,480 --> 02:13:24,239
may not have for 5 10 15 20 years that
it's then I don't know we're so off base

1612
02:13:22,360 --> 02:13:29,840
I guess so we're trying to keep it high
level so we're we just want it to be

1613
02:13:27,280 --> 02:13:32,760
shown that it could some of it could be
Frontage improvements right depending on

1614
02:13:31,480 --> 02:13:35,719
what type of development like if a
developer comes in and builds all of it

1615
02:13:34,480 --> 02:13:40,119
or it could be Frontage improvements on
a collector that already exists we know

1616
02:13:38,159 --> 02:13:43,920
that there's going to be some funding by
development um but they will also all be

1617
02:13:42,360 --> 02:13:47,840
paying their system development charges
would also be covering it I I answered

1618
02:13:46,320 --> 02:13:51,559
your question all the way but it's hard
to have that crystal ball to know

1619
02:13:49,320 --> 02:13:58,280
exactly for any of that
other than SDC credits yeah uh most

1620
02:13:55,280 --> 02:14:02,599
likely not no yeah because they would
they'll be constructing

1621
02:14:00,119 --> 02:14:06,320
it excuse me they have to construct it
to local Street standards and then

1622
02:14:04,159 --> 02:14:10,679
anything above and beyond that you you
know that then they we have to give them

1623
02:14:07,760 --> 02:14:16,280
credit um I think I know what you're
asking so there there is a chance that

1624
02:14:13,719 --> 02:14:21,239
it will cost less than that yeah and
then out of the 10.8 million we'll see

1625
02:14:19,520 --> 02:14:26,199
some savings on that one and then that
money can be shifted to another project

1626
02:14:23,400 --> 02:14:28,639
that's currently not on the this nor
yeah that's currently not on the

1627
02:14:27,280 --> 02:14:32,320
financial constraint list so I think
that's what you're asking correct yeah

1628
02:14:30,320 --> 02:14:36,280
the flip side is costs go higher go
faster and El skate higher than we were

1629
02:14:34,239 --> 02:14:40,559
think yeah that's part of that Crystal
bar ball

1630
02:14:37,719 --> 02:14:45,559
piece very good
question anyone

1631
02:14:42,480 --> 02:14:50,639
else okay um there's three safety
projects that have been identified um

1632
02:14:48,559 --> 02:14:55,599
installing an Adaptive signal system on
us 26 uh that would be again we're

1633
02:14:53,679 --> 02:15:00,199
expected to be funding by Oda on that
one um just extending the Adaptive

1634
02:14:57,880 --> 02:15:04,000
signal that you have so that allows the
traffic signals to be more responsive to

1635
02:15:02,040 --> 02:15:07,880
current conditions and not just run like
on a on a timing plan that someone said

1636
02:15:06,639 --> 02:15:10,800
this is what Saturday at noon is
supposed to look like so when it's

1637
02:15:09,199 --> 02:15:14,599
Memorial Day and it doesn't look like a
typical Saturday the signal system is

1638
02:15:12,920 --> 02:15:18,719
smart enough to react and help people
scoot through so that's a that's a good

1639
02:15:17,079 --> 02:15:21,960
one for safety because the safety aspect
is there's a lot of people either make

1640
02:15:20,480 --> 02:15:27,040
bad behavior when there's a lot of
congestion and a lot of rear end so it

1641
02:15:23,800 --> 02:15:32,320
really helps with that um and then us26
um at tenik Road I believe that also

1642
02:15:29,119 --> 02:15:36,719
came from a council Workshop um just
some some concerns with traffic near

1643
02:15:35,360 --> 02:15:39,880
where all those businesses are all in
the driveway so this sets aside some

1644
02:15:38,480 --> 02:15:43,800
money to take a look at that in more
detail and see if there's something we

1645
02:15:41,400 --> 02:15:47,360
need to do either closing driveways
consolidating driveways maybe there's a

1646
02:15:45,639 --> 02:15:49,639
median or raising access management or
something like that there's some

1647
02:15:48,199 --> 02:15:54,480
strategies there that could could help
with safety so and then the third one um

1648
02:15:52,920 --> 02:15:59,000
I think this one's been along the whole
time doing a speed zone study on us 26

1649
02:15:57,239 --> 02:16:02,559
um on the east side of town so we've set
aside some money for that as well where

1650
02:16:00,880 --> 02:16:06,040
the city could work with ODOT to get
that done and we could see what the

1651
02:16:03,800 --> 02:16:09,040
appropriate speeds could be out there
especially with you know the new

1652
02:16:07,000 --> 02:16:14,599
development that's going to pop out at
dearco across from the loop um we're

1653
02:16:12,320 --> 02:16:17,040
going to see you know more movements out
I think on the east side so it's a

1654
02:16:16,119 --> 02:16:22,079
timely
study any questions on those that last

1655
02:16:19,760 --> 02:16:27,320
part I just oh sorry talked about the
the opportunity to to do speed limit

1656
02:16:24,480 --> 02:16:33,000
reductions on a much larger basis
remember yep like Bluff and stuff yeah

1657
02:16:30,000 --> 02:16:36,359
so the state does have
a and we've emailed I've been emailing

1658
02:16:35,240 --> 02:16:40,639
the staff a little bit about it but the
state does have very strict requirements

1659
02:16:37,880 --> 02:16:45,800
on how speed limits are set there are
statutory speeds that you are allowed to

1660
02:16:42,519 --> 02:16:52,399
put up with no study and that is 25
miles an hour below and then 55 or

1661
02:16:49,160 --> 02:16:56,960
higher um anything between that so 30 to
50 um if that is the appropriate speed

1662
02:16:55,160 --> 02:17:01,840
you have to do a speed study following
the state's guidelines and approved by

1663
02:16:59,519 --> 02:17:05,960
the state before you can do that but
some cities do pass an ordinance that

1664
02:17:03,479 --> 02:17:11,319
we're just going to have a statutory
speed oh sorry 25 but that wouldn't

1665
02:17:09,120 --> 02:17:16,040
affect the Odo facility oh absolutely
not this is this would be even if

1666
02:17:14,080 --> 02:17:21,040
council did decide to adopt that and all
your city streets are at 25 this study

1667
02:17:18,679 --> 02:17:25,559
would still be needed because the OD off
off facility would be I thought you

1668
02:17:22,240 --> 02:17:30,439
asking beyond that yeah
both but where but where are we

1669
02:17:28,719 --> 02:17:35,559
budgeting maybe it's more directly
towards Tyler where are we budgeting to

1670
02:17:33,040 --> 02:17:40,519
be able to go through that process and
do those studies for key areas in town

1671
02:17:38,679 --> 02:17:44,200
there's probably some flexibility within
the street fund to do some of those

1672
02:17:41,800 --> 02:17:48,599
studies and we're transferring 600,000
of the arbit doll this coming by anym

1673
02:17:46,960 --> 02:17:52,599
sort of right siiz that so we need to
allocate 2030 $40,000 there just some

1674
02:17:51,559 --> 02:17:58,319
studies
that say OD does them for free other

1675
02:17:55,960 --> 02:18:01,200
than staff time to request them to do it
and you have to wait and get in line but

1676
02:17:59,760 --> 02:18:05,599
there's no charge for the state to
process those so it would be great for

1677
02:18:03,800 --> 02:18:10,040
I'm sure Jen I don't know who's off to
table for this I'm hoping I'm not uh but

1678
02:18:08,800 --> 02:18:15,280
to
prioritize um let's allow OD do to do

1679
02:18:13,479 --> 02:18:20,280
some and get in line for that for the
last priority areas and then maybe we

1680
02:18:18,200 --> 02:18:24,319
take on the re the ones that are really
concerning for Council to make sure that

1681
02:18:22,120 --> 02:18:28,200
we're getting going and prioritizing and
getting those done so the the state

1682
02:18:26,000 --> 02:18:32,559
won't let you do them yourself unless
you go so the rules just changed about a

1683
02:18:30,920 --> 02:18:36,920
year or two ago that it used to be the
state could only do them now cities are

1684
02:18:34,920 --> 02:18:41,040
allowed to do them but you do have to go
through like TR like a city staff has to

1685
02:18:38,719 --> 02:18:44,399
go through training with the state and
then they kind of hold your hand while

1686
02:18:42,280 --> 02:18:48,559
you do the first two or three then those
get approved and that's to change it

1687
02:18:46,160 --> 02:18:53,040
from 35 to 25 yes that's to change from
35 to 25 and then after that you can do

1688
02:18:50,880 --> 02:18:59,960
on your own so just to
be have the staff

1689
02:18:56,200 --> 02:18:59,960
available but is it

1690
02:19:01,559 --> 02:19:05,319
is councelor maintenance

1691
02:19:06,599 --> 02:19:13,040
volunteered it just takes a long time
side down here well there planners it's

1692
02:19:11,439 --> 02:19:17,160
a little different than the we're
talking 450,000 tax paare dollars versus

1693
02:19:15,679 --> 02:19:21,559
not spending anything I think that's
pretty sign so that's why I said let's

1694
02:19:19,240 --> 02:19:25,200
prioritize right let's allow OD to do
the ones that aren't that big of a deal

1695
02:19:22,880 --> 02:19:31,359
but if there's some that we feel really
intentional about wanting to tackle like

1696
02:19:27,479 --> 02:19:36,240
reduce speed on dearco you know um not
dearco on 211 right there right like

1697
02:19:34,319 --> 02:19:40,960
let's prioritize the ones we feel like
is worth us doing that but the ones last

1698
02:19:38,359 --> 02:19:47,840
to your point we'll send them OD dos way
that's that's what

1699
02:19:44,319 --> 02:19:52,520
yeah good yeah all right and this is
just the figure showing all the projects

1700
02:19:49,439 --> 02:19:57,840
that I just describe so kind of helps
geographically to see where they're

1701
02:19:55,640 --> 02:20:02,439
at um I did not want to leave out
Transit projects um though these reflect

1702
02:20:00,160 --> 02:20:06,880
the transit master plan that you all
adopted a couple years ago we did want

1703
02:20:04,439 --> 02:20:11,080
to make sure that they were included in
here um to show that we are looking and

1704
02:20:09,520 --> 02:20:14,080
coordinating Transit as one of the
important modes that goes with walking

1705
02:20:12,439 --> 02:20:19,080
and biking and driving as well so those
are all included in here though all of

1706
02:20:16,800 --> 02:20:24,720
the funding does not come out of tsp
funding Transit as their own

1707
02:20:22,040 --> 02:20:29,000
funding and then I did just want to let
you know there's a couple changes that

1708
02:20:26,000 --> 02:20:32,880
have occurred in the tsp H off the
presses today since you guys got your

1709
02:20:31,280 --> 02:20:39,280
packet they're pretty minor but I did
want to let you know on page 43 we did

1710
02:20:35,880 --> 02:20:43,920
add reference to um a Highway 211 to
Barker Road proportionate share fee that

1711
02:20:41,240 --> 02:20:47,640
you may be familiar with the city um has
collected or is going to be collecting

1712
02:20:46,160 --> 02:20:51,800
from a couple
developments so we wanted to make sure

1713
02:20:49,560 --> 02:20:56,040
that was noted as a fun funding source
in the TS well as one of the things that

1714
02:20:54,080 --> 02:21:00,240
funds Transportation that's not included
in the 10.8 to be clear and it is clear

1715
02:20:58,000 --> 02:21:05,520
in the text um and then it's also a part
of appendix L within the

1716
02:21:03,280 --> 02:21:12,560
tsp and then on page
47 um and on page 48 we just for that D9

1717
02:21:10,399 --> 02:21:16,880
project and that d27 project with both
referred to Highway 21 dearco the

1718
02:21:14,479 --> 02:21:20,680
improvements and the evaluation we just
made some updates to the description and

1719
02:21:18,960 --> 02:21:24,479
the cost estimate to make sure that
those were clear as well Bally the text

1720
02:21:23,040 --> 02:21:28,399
just got a lot longer because people
were a little bit confused by how the

1721
02:21:26,280 --> 02:21:32,399
two went together
so I know you guys haven't seen this

1722
02:21:30,800 --> 02:21:34,920
before do you have any questions do you
have any questions about the

1723
02:21:33,200 --> 02:21:38,399
proportionate share fee that I'm
mentioning I know I've talked the

1724
02:21:36,680 --> 02:21:40,960
Planning Commission about it but and
just so you know part of the reason

1725
02:21:39,479 --> 02:21:45,200
these were out at the last minute is
because of a meeting that we had last

1726
02:21:42,640 --> 02:21:50,240
week with a developer who will be paying
this fee yeah so we just wanted to have

1727
02:21:47,520 --> 02:21:55,200
extra Clarity to the coverage for the
future so you guys can collect your fees

1728
02:21:52,960 --> 02:22:00,880
as as we would
like any questions on that and we do we

1729
02:21:58,800 --> 02:22:06,680
have updated the TS so there is a new
version that includes all of this we

1730
02:22:02,920 --> 02:22:11,920
have tonight okay that's G to be stashed
established where in our website I

1731
02:22:08,560 --> 02:22:15,760
suppose so people can see it so we can
access it so all these changes uh that

1732
02:22:14,160 --> 02:22:19,880
rear talking about I think they're all
included in the packet that are and then

1733
02:22:18,479 --> 02:22:24,240
yeah once it's adopted hopefully it's
adopted tonight and then we will put it

1734
02:22:21,520 --> 02:22:27,960
on the website okay all the corrections
in there it'll be it'll be the corrected

1735
02:22:26,040 --> 02:22:33,359
version
correct all right and then um as part of

1736
02:22:30,960 --> 02:22:38,920
the tsp update we had a subc consultant
um Mig that was working with us on

1737
02:22:36,520 --> 02:22:44,520
making sure that the development code
was up to Snuff and was consistent with

1738
02:22:41,960 --> 02:22:49,920
anything that was coming out of the tsp
for recommendations um so they did a

1739
02:22:47,200 --> 02:22:54,359
pretty detailed look at any anything
transportation related and tsp related

1740
02:22:52,439 --> 02:22:57,840
um they wanted to make sure they were
eliminating any discrepancies because

1741
02:22:56,120 --> 02:23:02,640
there was some language in that between
sdc's and the updated tsp so that was

1742
02:23:00,439 --> 02:23:06,880
fixed um they also put some more
multimodal objective and recommendation

1743
02:23:05,160 --> 02:23:11,439
language in there to make sure you're
getting the improvements that you

1744
02:23:08,560 --> 02:23:13,800
want um eliminating vague and subjective
language that's always important right

1745
02:23:12,840 --> 02:23:18,640
we want to make sure that the
terminology and the tsp is the same in

1746
02:23:15,720 --> 02:23:22,120
the in the development code um and then
yeah just ensuring future transportation

1747
02:23:20,200 --> 02:23:25,120
is supported by the plan transportation
system making sure like all the

1748
02:23:23,760 --> 02:23:30,880
standards
match um and then with that just letting

1749
02:23:27,479 --> 02:23:34,120
you guys know that there's an SDC
amendment that you guys will be seeing

1750
02:23:32,359 --> 02:23:38,359
in the future you'll be looking at if
you want to increase your rates for

1751
02:23:35,800 --> 02:23:45,600
transportation um after the tsp is
adopted we have an updated project list

1752
02:23:42,040 --> 02:23:45,600
okay wait so you say

1753
02:23:47,720 --> 02:23:55,479
SDC so so this has caused a lot of
confusion right starts with an S sorry

1754
02:23:53,680 --> 02:24:00,279
you're right yeah so we could say SMC
which is Sandy municipal code in the

1755
02:23:57,279 --> 02:24:00,279
future I agree I

1756
02:24:01,800 --> 02:24:10,000
think two different two
different the plan yeah they wrote this

1757
02:24:07,160 --> 02:24:13,680
slide not me Transportation related code
amendments will be coordinated with

1758
02:24:11,760 --> 02:24:16,920
future code amendments for housing
related modifications yeah and you guys

1759
02:24:15,520 --> 02:24:21,479
are going to see a pack in on that in
the fall but I was also true that you

1760
02:24:20,000 --> 02:24:25,680
guys are update your transportation
system development charges now that you

1761
02:24:23,279 --> 02:24:31,120
have a new project and so when does that
happen uh this year they you're working

1762
02:24:28,760 --> 02:24:36,200
with yeah we're under contract yep soon
as I get this adopted and we got us all

1763
02:24:33,439 --> 02:24:41,279
set we can move forward on that and with
that that's

1764
02:24:38,479 --> 02:24:48,520
it thank you thank you so much we'll
move to public testimony

1765
02:24:44,640 --> 02:24:51,640
now um yes yes sir we're almost there uh
I got to read some guidelines first

1766
02:24:49,840 --> 02:24:54,399
please try avoid repetition if someone
else has already expressed the same

1767
02:24:52,880 --> 02:24:58,640
thoughts is sufficient to state that you
agree with the statements of a previous

1768
02:24:55,840 --> 02:25:03,439
speaker even if that's all you say if
you have

1769
02:24:59,760 --> 02:25:07,279
documents um Maps or letters that you
wish have considered by the body they

1770
02:25:05,399 --> 02:25:11,439
must be formally be placed in the
recording of This proceeding to do that

1771
02:25:09,600 --> 02:25:17,680
either before after you speak email your
materials recorder c. sandy. or. us and

1772
02:25:16,040 --> 02:25:22,040
staff will make sure your evidence is
properly processed all right here's the

1773
02:25:19,479 --> 02:25:26,279
public testimony opportunity if you're
online please click the raised hand

1774
02:25:24,000 --> 02:25:30,600
button in order to testify if you're
through the phone dial Star 9 to raise

1775
02:25:28,359 --> 02:25:36,040
your hand if you're here in person
physically raise your hand if you wish

1776
02:25:32,200 --> 02:25:41,359
to testify yes sir uh one second is
anybody online I don't see any raising

1777
02:25:39,080 --> 02:25:48,399
all right Michael you get three minutes
here on the topic of uh our trans

1778
02:25:45,479 --> 02:25:54,399
transportation system plan and you get a
20 second warning when you're done

1779
02:25:51,200 --> 02:26:00,319
my name is Mike Jens if you go down here
right out of the out of here you go past

1780
02:25:57,640 --> 02:26:05,319
those donuts and you go into that
intersection now you're heading down the

1781
02:26:02,680 --> 02:26:11,200
hill to go down to the park does
everybody know where I'm

1782
02:26:06,920 --> 02:26:16,200
at okay that part is the most dangerous
part of this whole Mountain over here me

1783
02:26:14,520 --> 02:26:22,640
crossing right
there is bad now down the street

1784
02:26:20,800 --> 02:26:27,920
I've been hit and
run by going in to the Gateway bar to

1785
02:26:26,080 --> 02:26:35,200
the back end over
there I got hit and RAM knocked in the

1786
02:26:31,439 --> 02:26:41,359
ditch with this dog got a $500 bill for
my bet bill and I got I've been through

1787
02:26:39,690 --> 02:26:48,600
[Music]
surgery the mountain going down the

1788
02:26:45,479 --> 02:26:55,920
trash cans you got to find a better
place for them from from Thursday

1789
02:26:52,439 --> 02:27:00,439
Wednesday through until they're empty
and then it's another two days so that's

1790
02:26:57,960 --> 02:27:05,840
four days out of the week I have to go
out in the street with my dog to come up

1791
02:27:02,200 --> 02:27:10,520
the mountain I can't move all them trash
cans that needs to be

1792
02:27:08,520 --> 02:27:16,479
approached
crossing over there from

1793
02:27:14,279 --> 02:27:21,319
McDonald's or by
Mark

1794
02:27:18,279 --> 02:27:26,479
over you have to go
all the way

1795
02:27:22,439 --> 02:27:30,920
down go across and then come back up and
get onto the

1796
02:27:27,920 --> 02:27:37,520
bus that's all
difficult problems there the handicap

1797
02:27:34,720 --> 02:27:42,319
ramp over here it's coffee shop if I
don't have my dog I can't get up and

1798
02:27:41,240 --> 02:27:46,479
that's
code I like you to look at the code some

1799
02:27:45,120 --> 02:27:54,200
of them we
can't the there spots like going over

1800
02:27:50,960 --> 02:28:01,120
here at the transit center going from up
from where the bus is up to the bathroom

1801
02:27:58,160 --> 02:28:08,279
sidewalks all tore up and there's
multiple spots in the city that you can

1802
02:28:04,880 --> 02:28:13,120
and I would be willing for the city to
walk with whoever wants to go and see

1803
02:28:11,240 --> 02:28:19,399
how a handicap has to get through the
city that's all I got to say God bless

1804
02:28:15,880 --> 02:28:25,640
our street that we live on over there
has

1805
02:28:21,399 --> 02:28:30,000
probably 14 children on it living on the
street up on the corner where the bus

1806
02:28:28,240 --> 02:28:36,520
stop
is there's it's not safe they come

1807
02:28:33,439 --> 02:28:39,760
whipping up whipping down there's not no
there needs to be more signs for these

1808
02:28:38,399 --> 02:28:47,720
bus stop
deals and they need a bike path out of

1809
02:28:44,080 --> 02:28:53,080
there 20 seconds I'm good thank you
Micha yes

1810
02:28:49,040 --> 02:28:53,080
sir all right any other public

1811
02:28:53,479 --> 02:29:02,000
testimony all right I'll Now call for
the staff recap and recommendation yeah

1812
02:28:59,399 --> 02:29:08,560
I I will comment on a few uh things that
the um public testimony just covered

1813
02:29:06,439 --> 02:29:12,200
um I do agree that there's some
sidewalks that need to be repaired

1814
02:29:09,920 --> 02:29:15,120
throughout Town um and that will be one
of the things we're going to be looking

1815
02:29:13,319 --> 02:29:19,120
at when we have the new code enforcement
specialist I've already noted a few um

1816
02:29:17,960 --> 02:29:23,319
it's just going to take time to go
through those right left s and then

1817
02:29:21,120 --> 02:29:27,000
follow through with
enforcement as you can imagine sidewalk

1818
02:29:25,560 --> 02:29:30,319
replacement is actually one of the
hardest code enforcement violations to

1819
02:29:28,560 --> 02:29:33,880
tackle because it's timec consuming and
expensive so but it is it is on our

1820
02:29:32,560 --> 02:29:37,600
radar end list so thanks for the
comments on that uh I did want to point

1821
02:29:36,319 --> 02:29:44,359
out a couple other things that were
brought up there um right over here from

1822
02:29:41,439 --> 02:29:48,399
Joe's Donuts down the street to mik park
I do agree that that is not done

1823
02:29:46,279 --> 02:29:51,240
properly and that will be when the pad
town homes go in which we're still

1824
02:29:50,040 --> 02:29:55,399
working with them on their plan
revisions I just talked to the developer

1825
02:29:53,439 --> 02:29:59,399
today actually when that goes in that's
going to all be fixed at that point so

1826
02:29:57,520 --> 02:30:03,600
that is in the works and I I'm hopeful
that that will happen in the next year

1827
02:30:00,479 --> 02:30:08,000
or two uh and I do agree it's not a good
situation

1828
02:30:05,240 --> 02:30:14,319
um the one other thing I will comment on
is the crossing at Bart and

1829
02:30:12,040 --> 02:30:17,920
Industrial that is something I think we
it is worth looking into more um I've

1830
02:30:16,680 --> 02:30:23,399
actually noticed that myself when I was
jogging around town during covid that

1831
02:30:20,520 --> 02:30:27,160
the cross walk over the along the
highway actually is on the opposite side

1832
02:30:25,160 --> 02:30:30,720
of the street than the transit bus stop
correct so it is it is actually

1833
02:30:29,200 --> 02:30:34,479
something it it was a really good
comment and it's it was on my radar two

1834
02:30:32,760 --> 02:30:38,000
years ago and then it fell off and so
that's something we will talk to Odon

1835
02:30:35,800 --> 02:30:43,680
about there's one other thing on that
stretch right there if you go where the

1836
02:30:40,279 --> 02:30:48,520
pizza parlor is the sidewalk in there on
this

1837
02:30:44,520 --> 02:30:52,920
side there's no sidewalk so I got caught
on my wheelchair my dog

1838
02:30:50,520 --> 02:30:59,720
at the end of the sidewalk and we had to
go across against traffic up there I'm

1839
02:30:57,399 --> 02:31:04,120
physically blind that's why I have a
service dog that's all I gotta say look

1840
02:31:02,399 --> 02:31:08,120
into that area too please and and the
one last thing I will say that that just

1841
02:31:06,279 --> 02:31:12,960
uh reminded me when we did do the
walkability study in downtown Sandy I

1842
02:31:10,439 --> 02:31:17,080
think you're a part of that curl um when
we did do that we actually did have

1843
02:31:14,680 --> 02:31:20,920
people with both physical impairments
and vision impairments go along with the

1844
02:31:19,479 --> 02:31:24,479
walking group group and that's some of
the recommendations that actually made

1845
02:31:22,439 --> 02:31:28,880
it into that document which are being
adopted as part of the tsp so we we did

1846
02:31:26,560 --> 02:31:33,200
do that in our downtown at least so um
with that I the only other thing I would

1847
02:31:31,160 --> 02:31:36,880
say along the lines of a staff recap is
that I would just recommend approval of

1848
02:31:34,640 --> 02:31:40,439
the ordinance all right thank you Kelly
I'll Now call for a motion to close the

1849
02:31:38,640 --> 02:31:45,160
public hearing make a motion to close
the public hearing for a second second

1850
02:31:43,319 --> 02:31:48,760
motion by councelor Sheldon a second by
councelor hson to close the public

1851
02:31:46,880 --> 02:31:51,560
hearing all those in favor signify by
saying I I

1852
02:31:50,640 --> 02:31:59,880
oose
Naes public hearing is closed at 8:38

1853
02:31:55,600 --> 02:32:03,680
p.m ready for yeah I'm ready motion yeah
I'd like to make a motion that we adopt

1854
02:32:01,399 --> 02:32:11,920
ordinance
2023-24 would you like a first

1855
02:32:07,279 --> 02:32:18,200
reading so good Jeff but read fast very
short one may this is ordinance

1856
02:32:15,160 --> 02:32:24,160
2023-24 an ordinance adopting the 2023
city of Sandy transportation system all

1857
02:32:21,520 --> 02:32:29,720
those in favor of the first reading
signified by saying I I I oppose ma

1858
02:32:28,240 --> 02:32:33,240
motion carries can I get a second
Reading Please Miss mayor this is

1859
02:32:32,040 --> 02:32:39,479
ordinance
2023-24 an ordinance adopting the 2023

1860
02:32:36,479 --> 02:32:43,720
city of Sandy transportation system
plan I will call for a motion to approve

1861
02:32:42,120 --> 02:32:48,920
this one so motion to approve the second
reading I'll make a motion to second is

1862
02:32:46,240 --> 02:32:53,120
there a second second I motion by
councelor Walker second by councelor

1863
02:32:50,640 --> 02:32:58,840
exner to adopt the second reading all
those in favor signif by saying

1864
02:32:55,319 --> 02:33:03,399
iOS nay motion carries thank you
everybody thank you Kelly your team than

1865
02:33:03,880 --> 02:33:13,080
thank all right oh my goodness gracious
where's my agenda all right report from

1866
02:33:11,120 --> 02:33:16,520
the city
manager appreciate

1867
02:33:17,760 --> 02:33:25,600
it all right got a couple exciting talk
about tonight you know my my one meeting

1868
02:33:22,240 --> 02:33:30,520
record of sub two hours is now shot so
I'll just take up the next 20 minutes or

1869
02:33:27,520 --> 02:33:30,520
so anything

1870
02:33:31,760 --> 02:33:38,319
else just a reminder that we have the
longest day Parkway this Thursday 6:30

1871
02:33:36,240 --> 02:33:42,800
bstone park hopefully we'll see you all
there um similar you know setup as we've

1872
02:33:40,800 --> 02:33:47,560
had in the past passports and trying to
get everyone every Booth to talk to all

1873
02:33:45,800 --> 02:33:50,160
the Departments and staff that we have
here and learn about what we do when we

1874
02:33:48,920 --> 02:33:58,520
have to offer you really goingon to wear
a b shirt I

1875
02:33:51,880 --> 02:33:58,520
Amar tonight really all right t-shirts

1876
02:33:58,760 --> 02:34:05,760
though and I will not be
cooking no you'll be getting stunned by

1877
02:34:03,439 --> 02:34:09,840
these that's right come on by all right
so we haven't been to this particular

1878
02:34:07,520 --> 02:34:14,279
event before where do you want us and
when so there is

1879
02:34:11,520 --> 02:34:21,240
a um you have as much of a roles you
would like to have but yes there's a

1880
02:34:17,000 --> 02:34:28,200
role so there's a admin SL counil
section hot dogs ice cream to I man the

1881
02:34:26,080 --> 02:34:34,040
barbecue I'm sorry what time does it
start starts at

1882
02:34:30,279 --> 02:34:34,040
6:30 get closer to

1883
02:34:38,040 --> 02:34:47,479
5king there there's SP for people to
volunteer yeah I do the I do the

1884
02:34:45,399 --> 02:34:52,319
barbecue there's somewhere to there's
usually ice cream to hand out Carl's

1885
02:34:50,439 --> 02:34:57,120
usually hanging out with the bees
Lorie's usually with uh the firefighters

1886
02:34:56,279 --> 02:35:01,359
I don't
think and then we're also the end of

1887
02:34:59,560 --> 02:35:05,120
We're the end of the passports so if you
want to be in the raffle that you can

1888
02:35:03,600 --> 02:35:09,560
but if there's there's also if there's a
say Department that you know you want to

1889
02:35:07,880 --> 02:35:13,560
go hang out at you can go hang out at
that Department's area or go over to

1890
02:35:15,520 --> 02:35:20,319
ours it's a good event yeah

1891
02:35:20,920 --> 02:35:27,319
um reminder that we do not have a
council meeting on July 3rd city office

1892
02:35:25,479 --> 02:35:31,520
is closed on the 4th obviously for the
holiday um so no meeting on third got

1893
02:35:30,040 --> 02:35:36,399
the Fourth of July fireworks all
scheduled and ready to go thanks to

1894
02:35:34,040 --> 02:35:43,040
Melle and Carol and that team down there
permits Chief G support

1895
02:35:38,680 --> 02:35:47,720
it as far as I know okay um don't look
at

1896
02:35:43,960 --> 02:35:52,479
me I did did you notice
that be a different chief on July 4th

1897
02:35:50,920 --> 02:35:57,600
and that week really kicks off the whole
Mountain Festival uh event so we'll have

1898
02:35:54,880 --> 02:36:01,200
the parade on Thursday um if any of you
are interested in partaking in the

1899
02:35:59,520 --> 02:36:06,960
parade and haven't reached out to Jeff
or relle team yet please do

1900
02:36:03,760 --> 02:36:10,240
so there be a Grand Marshall at the
front I know the mayor's planning on

1901
02:36:08,640 --> 02:36:13,960
being at the front that was my
understanding but if you'd like to you

1902
02:36:12,000 --> 02:36:18,920
know tag along with the city Department
we'll have that option available too

1903
02:36:16,399 --> 02:36:21,560
feel free to nuts with candy nuts with
candy exactly

1904
02:36:22,560 --> 02:36:29,359
and then let's see shout out to Greg
thanks um you know we had the some

1905
02:36:27,560 --> 02:36:34,680
homelessness issues next to the library
with potential Wi-Fi problems he spent

1906
02:36:32,439 --> 02:36:38,800
his time uh yesterday sort of rebuilding
the Wi-Fi network so to speak so we're

1907
02:36:37,279 --> 02:36:42,920
hopeful that that issue has been
resolved we'll to test it out and make

1908
02:36:40,920 --> 02:36:47,399
it stop maybe on the way home tonight to
see if the Wi-Fi is working or not but

1909
02:36:45,080 --> 02:36:50,800
um we we heard the concern from the
council members and took that seriously

1910
02:36:49,000 --> 02:36:57,399
so thank you PR for making that a
priority this week and then last but not

1911
02:36:53,359 --> 02:37:02,439
least um the the special service
contract program um some of you may be

1912
02:37:00,680 --> 02:37:07,880
familiar with that it's a grant program
that a couple nonprofits are recipients

1913
02:37:04,960 --> 02:37:13,240
of and it's going to be that time again
for a review for those

1914
02:37:10,319 --> 02:37:17,840
applications last time the panel was
mayor polio counselor Walker and

1915
02:37:15,240 --> 02:37:21,680
counselor exner going to keep the same
panel or would you like to change things

1916
02:37:19,920 --> 02:37:27,600
what was it for again the special
service contract program that require

1917
02:37:25,399 --> 02:37:33,520
some sort of report out from those
beneficiaries of those grants yeah so

1918
02:37:30,200 --> 02:37:38,279
the old program guidelines were Loosely
followed I think we sort of uh the

1919
02:37:36,160 --> 02:37:41,760
council had a desire to tighten those up
and have an annual report provided I

1920
02:37:40,399 --> 02:37:46,760
could check in on the status of those
reports to see where things are at the

1921
02:37:43,760 --> 02:37:51,040
stat it's almost ready for distribution
to the city council so you will have

1922
02:37:48,040 --> 02:37:53,840
that in hand before it's time to
reports

1923
02:37:54,479 --> 02:38:03,760
that's and that's it for me all right
thank you sir thank you H Don uh just

1924
02:38:01,560 --> 02:38:09,279
want to
say a recommendation that maybe we pull

1925
02:38:07,399 --> 02:38:14,200
um board appointments out of the consent
agenda moving forward just so we can

1926
02:38:11,120 --> 02:38:17,120
recognize those people who bothered to
take the time to apply and go through

1927
02:38:15,600 --> 02:38:20,960
the interview process and get selected
and we can give them more you know

1928
02:38:19,040 --> 02:38:25,279
thanks uh especially if they choose to
attend at the beginning of the meeting

1929
02:38:22,200 --> 02:38:28,720
potentially so if any of those die hards
are actually listening tonight I just

1930
02:38:26,680 --> 02:38:33,399
want to say thanks for the sandy net uh
people who interviewed and uh are

1931
02:38:31,000 --> 02:38:39,359
willing to to join that
board second item I I was it was

1932
02:38:36,240 --> 02:38:44,240
interesting to listen to Mike here talk
about

1933
02:38:40,960 --> 02:38:48,080
his his issues with Mobility around town
given that we've talked about the tsp so

1934
02:38:45,800 --> 02:38:51,920
many times and it's it's just
interesting what that difference set

1935
02:38:49,520 --> 02:38:57,560
eyes will point out that we might have
missed or or frequently Miss and so uh

1936
02:38:55,080 --> 02:39:02,600
thank you for that and en you guys count
a wheelchair and a service dog going

1937
02:38:59,840 --> 02:39:06,520
down the road and I but hang on not not
your time right now but it's all right

1938
02:39:05,080 --> 02:39:12,279
but I want to thank you for bringing
those things up and as you encounter

1939
02:39:09,640 --> 02:39:18,359
other difficulties to make sure that you
politely make the city office aware of

1940
02:39:14,399 --> 02:39:24,000
them yes sir thank you that's
it uh there's been a number of fixes

1941
02:39:21,359 --> 02:39:29,920
going on lately in the city some of
that's odot's responsibility and some of

1942
02:39:26,600 --> 02:39:33,960
that is ours and I just wanted to
recognize the fact that all that is

1943
02:39:31,680 --> 02:39:39,359
going on and uh there's been a little
bit of communication issues there but by

1944
02:39:36,760 --> 02:39:45,359
and large I was very impressed by both
sets of contractors they seem to be very

1945
02:39:42,760 --> 02:39:50,240
earnestly trying to do the job right I
appreciate that sometimes contractors

1946
02:39:47,880 --> 02:39:55,760
are not the most polite people
we seem to be getting the right folks

1947
02:39:52,560 --> 02:40:00,359
this time uh one thing that uh I know
this is going to be the Public Works

1948
02:39:58,680 --> 02:40:06,200
aren't here tonight so I noticed that
the islands in front

1949
02:40:02,240 --> 02:40:11,760
of John O Scott and the four service are
needing mowing we do such a great job

1950
02:40:09,040 --> 02:40:16,880
right there where the old waterfall is
and it looks such a beautiful piece of

1951
02:40:14,520 --> 02:40:20,960
part of the Sandy and and you just go a
block and a half and you see all these

1952
02:40:18,359 --> 02:40:28,960
sedes we really need to mow those
relatively more often um and in the mode

1953
02:40:26,279 --> 02:40:34,560
of looking good I noticed today I was at
the library and on the west side of that

1954
02:40:32,920 --> 02:40:39,760
a lot of the beams are really starting
to look rough and not only is it a rough

1955
02:40:37,479 --> 02:40:44,000
look but it's also tough
on the maintenance of it to be able to

1956
02:40:42,640 --> 02:40:49,880
longterm you're going to end up being
more expensive if we don't treat them

1957
02:40:46,359 --> 02:40:54,520
relatively often and I do know as an old
property manager if you don't keep your

1958
02:40:51,399 --> 02:40:57,359
building up and running clean cleaned up
with the bird poop and all the rest of

1959
02:40:56,040 --> 02:41:02,920
things that are there you're going to
get people disrespecting it and I know

1960
02:40:59,960 --> 02:41:07,160
that some of our um folks who like to
Camp there maybe that's part of the

1961
02:41:04,800 --> 02:41:12,319
reason why they think that is a place to
do that uh same thing with our city and

1962
02:41:10,200 --> 02:41:16,520
um police station I know that we put
that in the budget to paint that puppy

1963
02:41:14,960 --> 02:41:20,359
and I think that's really time that we
should hopefully get that soon it's in

1964
02:41:18,640 --> 02:41:25,399
the budget yep I I know it's in the
budget I just like to see it get done

1965
02:41:23,040 --> 02:41:25,399
and that's

1966
02:41:25,720 --> 02:41:29,920
it I didn't talk about art

1967
02:41:34,080 --> 02:41:44,000
tonight I don't much I just um you know
with regards to

1968
02:41:40,560 --> 02:41:49,319
the laws that are getting passed uh and
and what that does to our city I hope I

1969
02:41:46,920 --> 02:41:55,840
think we all have a common goal up here
to make sure that we have a diversity of

1970
02:41:51,680 --> 02:42:00,399
housing of high medium and low housing
and some affordable housing and things

1971
02:41:58,080 --> 02:42:05,760
like that I think we all want that I
think what worries me is that when we

1972
02:42:03,520 --> 02:42:12,720
have no ability to control that I really
want to see us push our push Consultants

1973
02:42:09,319 --> 02:42:19,720
to give us some tools to
um you know how to word code to achieve

1974
02:42:16,600 --> 02:42:24,760
that that common interest you know to
follow the the guidelines but also give

1975
02:42:21,840 --> 02:42:28,399
us you know protect some of the things
that we want to protect and not have

1976
02:42:26,520 --> 02:42:32,279
high density everywhere in our city
because that's not what people moved

1977
02:42:29,720 --> 02:42:39,520
here so I hope we can continue to kind
of uh work with those

1978
02:42:36,319 --> 02:42:47,000
ums that coming down a
bonus it's a bonus man that that got you

1979
02:42:43,279 --> 02:42:51,120
going 200% yeah you ever get a bonus of
200% on your salary or anything

1980
02:43:01,160 --> 02:43:05,720
I want to Echo what Don said about the
boards and stuff I think that's a great

1981
02:43:04,120 --> 02:43:12,640
idea so thank you for bringing that up
and I think it's very welld deserving um

1982
02:43:10,080 --> 02:43:16,840
the Carl kind of stole the median thing
but I do notice even like around dearco

1983
02:43:14,600 --> 02:43:21,760
and stuff uh some of those meetings are
kind of high get the bushes of grown a

1984
02:43:18,760 --> 02:43:28,600
little bit and it's to the point I'm not
so big on it but it actually affects you

1985
02:43:24,840 --> 02:43:33,080
um and so especially as cars are coming
up grass gets higher it's hard to see

1986
02:43:31,359 --> 02:43:37,120
cars and with kids and stuff out at
school now and stuff I think it's

1987
02:43:34,640 --> 02:43:37,120
extremely

1988
02:43:37,240 --> 02:43:46,120
critical um that's really all I have
looking forward to Summer

1989
02:43:43,160 --> 02:43:51,640
cool uh Parks Board met last week uh
talked mostly about the Community campus

1990
02:43:49,279 --> 02:43:57,240
Park uh put a task force together for
Park

1991
02:43:52,560 --> 02:44:01,680
naming and uh park for and then also I
believe they'll be moving forward with

1992
02:43:58,800 --> 02:44:07,880
the uh with Trail it'll be funded Grant
funded so lots of good stuff going on

1993
02:44:04,399 --> 02:44:11,080
over there so that's that thank you did
not have a Planning Commission meeting

1994
02:44:09,200 --> 02:44:16,680
but the last one I had we did the tsp
which came T today so that was done and

1995
02:44:13,479 --> 02:44:22,640
then Economic Development was last week
um and we took the Strategic plan and

1996
02:44:19,439 --> 02:44:27,760
prioritized projects to start moving
forward with that were approved and then

1997
02:44:25,760 --> 02:44:32,160
the only other thing I have that wasn't
really answered maybe Tyler can give me

1998
02:44:29,960 --> 02:44:36,880
an answer because of the
delayed

1999
02:44:34,279 --> 02:44:44,000
um votes on agency
budgets um our Wastewater project yeah

2000
02:44:41,080 --> 02:44:48,720
where where are we at on that is it has
it been pushed to September like

2001
02:44:46,680 --> 02:44:53,399
everything else or are they going to
stream mind it you're in the the next 10

2002
02:44:51,600 --> 02:45:00,399
days do we
know and and then in either case do we

2003
02:44:57,200 --> 02:45:05,960
have a proactive plan of reaching out to
keep that message alive for for S

2004
02:45:02,479 --> 02:45:09,120
because I saw I saw Nell's email last
week and I was just I didn't hear

2005
02:45:07,160 --> 02:45:14,920
anything about what we were doing about
it just to know if

2006
02:45:11,600 --> 02:45:22,160
I oh that's part my report the
f are you good yeah okay TR be returning

2007
02:45:19,200 --> 02:45:28,160
that um all right couple things is I'm
going to be one is thank you to Don and

2008
02:45:25,560 --> 02:45:34,200
Rich for working together with me and
Jeff thank you Jeff on the council rules

2009
02:45:31,359 --> 02:45:37,880
um and so we'll either be having that in
I think we decided to probably put that

2010
02:45:35,680 --> 02:45:40,840
on the city council meeting agenda
instead of a work session because

2011
02:45:39,200 --> 02:45:45,640
there's quite a bit of consensus around
it um but we'll be able to talk and

2012
02:45:43,560 --> 02:45:49,040
amend and talk about whether we want to
adopt it or not and then we'll we'll

2013
02:45:47,200 --> 02:45:53,640
look to adopt it rather than take up
whole work session of course this

2014
02:45:50,800 --> 02:45:56,800
Council knows we can table things you
know to a future meeting if it's not

2015
02:45:55,200 --> 02:46:00,800
right where we want it to be but we feel
good there was a lot of consensus should

2016
02:45:58,479 --> 02:46:05,960
be pretty straightforward uh the other
is um you thank you Josh for the memo

2017
02:46:03,880 --> 02:46:10,520
that you distributed out late last week
to Council on some of the housing

2018
02:46:08,439 --> 02:46:14,319
different issues uh let's make sure that
everybody kind of takes an opportunity

2019
02:46:12,399 --> 02:46:19,479
to absorb that I think it was about nine
pages so there's a lot there um but I

2020
02:46:17,560 --> 02:46:25,120
will be looking at schedule work session
to kind of bring everybody's heads

2021
02:46:21,479 --> 02:46:29,680
together on that um there's a lot of U
Mo there a lot of what you can't do and

2022
02:46:27,600 --> 02:46:34,160
even some of what we can do isn't really
that feasible to do uh but there are

2023
02:46:32,279 --> 02:46:38,319
some items in there for discussion I
think uh that would be good for us to

2024
02:46:35,880 --> 02:46:41,920
touch base on um and then the other
thing I'd like to have a work session

2025
02:46:39,760 --> 02:46:46,600
coming up on is government relations and
so that kind of gets to um legislative

2026
02:46:45,200 --> 02:46:50,760
session will be ending I believe on
Sundays the 25th uh that's

2027
02:46:49,439 --> 02:46:56,439
constitutionally
mandated um the Capital Construction

2028
02:46:54,319 --> 02:47:02,120
committee did meet uh this morning
they're not done there's a lot of things

2029
02:46:58,399 --> 02:47:08,720
that go towards the end it's not looking
great um for our ask um I think there's

2030
02:47:06,240 --> 02:47:12,680
a variety of things around that um
mostly um

2031
02:47:10,800 --> 02:47:17,520
political you know we had with the
Senate walk out and uh some of the

2032
02:47:15,080 --> 02:47:21,840
things that are surrounding that in the
flow of session and somewh our

2033
02:47:19,840 --> 02:47:27,439
representation our representation
involvement and some of those things um

2034
02:47:25,160 --> 02:47:31,800
uh and I I think in the work session we
want to do some reflection on our ask on

2035
02:47:29,840 --> 02:47:36,319
the size of our ask and we saw kind of
the size some of the projects that are

2036
02:47:33,279 --> 02:47:41,680
looking like may get funded or more kind
of the

2037
02:47:37,640 --> 02:47:45,640
five to eight million Range 14 for a
variety of reasons which kind of buck to

2038
02:47:43,359 --> 02:47:50,399
the side they really staffed for agency
budgets uh quite a bit this last time um

2039
02:47:49,000 --> 02:47:53,920
um but yeah that'll be something we want
to reflect on but the other thing I want

2040
02:47:51,880 --> 02:47:57,800
to talk about with government relations
is is what we're going to how we're

2041
02:47:55,479 --> 02:48:02,680
going to utilize our consultant uh in
the meantime uh both for preparing uh

2042
02:48:00,920 --> 02:48:07,279
for legislative ass that maybe in a
short session as well as a coming long

2043
02:48:04,439 --> 02:48:11,479
session I think there's a lot um to do
at the county level especially with

2044
02:48:09,560 --> 02:48:17,200
implementing some of our transportation
system plan goals with the broader

2045
02:48:13,960 --> 02:48:21,800
County transportation system um that's
going on and then the other thing I

2046
02:48:19,120 --> 02:48:26,080
wanted when session's over I wanted to
utilize nellon something I wanted to

2047
02:48:23,399 --> 02:48:31,560
kind of get your guys' feelings on um
Lori uh let me in about a week ago she

2048
02:48:29,240 --> 02:48:36,479
additionally serves on the board uh for
the Sandy Community uh action center and

2049
02:48:35,040 --> 02:48:40,880
there's an issue going on with the
action center right now uh with the

2050
02:48:38,479 --> 02:48:45,160
Oregon food bank uh the Oregon food
banks who provides the food uh to the

2051
02:48:43,399 --> 02:48:49,160
Sandy Community Action Center they have
not received a food delivery in over

2052
02:48:47,240 --> 02:48:55,880
three months almost three months almost
three months that goes out to some of

2053
02:48:52,279 --> 02:48:59,720
our folks most at me um my understanding
is kind of what occurred was is that

2054
02:48:57,720 --> 02:49:05,080
there was an audit of facility that
found uh two things one was that they

2055
02:49:03,120 --> 02:49:10,600
were selling peanuts at the front door
for how much it was basically I can give

2056
02:49:07,960 --> 02:49:16,680
you a quick I almost gave an update so
so there was either a complaint from a

2057
02:49:14,120 --> 02:49:21,760
person shopping or we had a kind of a
surprise visit I kind of tend to think

2058
02:49:19,080 --> 02:49:24,760
it was a surprise visit um and a
volunteer had set some stuff out and

2059
02:49:23,439 --> 02:49:29,479
some things were being sold so the
center made maybe

2060
02:49:26,560 --> 02:49:34,880
$100 the other issue was that a staff
member was

2061
02:49:30,560 --> 02:49:39,239
asked if the action center uses IDs and
the person said well I maybe have asked

2062
02:49:36,439 --> 02:49:44,359
for an ID once Oregan food bank took
that and has run to the wall with it and

2063
02:49:41,520 --> 02:49:49,680
so they put us on a 90day suspension
that 90-day suspension uh during that

2064
02:49:47,040 --> 02:49:55,479
time they have also cut off all food to
the action center from Fred Meyer

2065
02:49:51,520 --> 02:49:59,279
Grocery Outlet um Starbucks because the
organ food bank has gone and got in

2066
02:49:56,920 --> 02:50:03,000
Partnerships with all these places so
the biggest thing we've we've been able

2067
02:50:01,160 --> 02:50:08,200
to find vendors in other places but we
cannot find any proteins and so we have

2068
02:50:05,319 --> 02:50:13,000
people who cannot get any meat right now
um despite our best efforts multiple

2069
02:50:10,600 --> 02:50:16,640
Communications multiple meetings uh we
are getting a complete and total

2070
02:50:14,720 --> 02:50:20,840
runaround from the people who are
supposed to be helping us at the organ

2071
02:50:18,040 --> 02:50:24,120
to advance from mixed messages to every
time we meet it's a different set of

2072
02:50:22,359 --> 02:50:29,600
parameters of what we must do to get
thees of the ordered food bank um we

2073
02:50:27,040 --> 02:50:33,120
have now met with I think five we're I
think staff member number six we're

2074
02:50:31,359 --> 02:50:37,479
still getting nowhere so now we're
starting to go to their board of

2075
02:50:34,399 --> 02:50:41,319
directors I ask Stan to potentially get
um the governor's office involved in

2076
02:50:39,239 --> 02:50:45,120
this um we've got some board members who
would like to start talking to the media

2077
02:50:43,000 --> 02:50:49,080
it's I mean it's really out of control
what bothers me the most is that uh

2078
02:50:47,520 --> 02:50:55,319
they're taking punitive action against
the action center it's actually hurting

2079
02:50:51,800 --> 02:51:01,239
we have 600 people that rely yeah and so
and so that's what it's hurting over

2080
02:50:58,479 --> 02:51:04,840
that we may have asked for an ID and so
it's just it's

2081
02:51:02,359 --> 02:51:08,680
very it's just it's really a bad
situation so I have some connections in

2082
02:51:07,000 --> 02:51:12,279
government Nelly has some connections
that I don't have government and what

2083
02:51:10,520 --> 02:51:16,279
I'm asking to do is basically spend
about a week and not a lot of time but

2084
02:51:14,239 --> 02:51:20,880
really to kind of brainstorm with Nelly
see who we can proactively who she knows

2085
02:51:18,680 --> 02:51:24,880
who I know that we can kind of reach out
to in the governor's office and other

2086
02:51:22,479 --> 02:51:28,160
places that have an in at the Oregon uh
food bank to kind of try to leverage

2087
02:51:26,560 --> 02:51:31,200
just to get it moving a little bit to
get some deliveries going to the action

2088
02:51:29,720 --> 02:51:35,000
center for our community is everybody
okay with me utilizing our lobby

2089
02:51:33,359 --> 02:51:39,200
representation to do that after because
I have some tactical okay have we

2090
02:51:37,319 --> 02:51:46,840
already reached out to the board of
directors yeah I mean we're we're have

2091
02:51:43,080 --> 02:51:52,319
you st no no well you mean that of the
Oregon food bake well that's what I kind

2092
02:51:49,640 --> 02:51:55,319
of wanted so we both kind of run those I
know some of them and Nell know some of

2093
02:51:53,720 --> 02:51:58,800
them so I wanted to kind of just divy it
up with her so yeah I mean I know

2094
02:51:57,800 --> 02:52:02,160
because you know sometimes when you go
to the governor's office that's kind of

2095
02:52:00,279 --> 02:52:06,279
like going over everybody's head and you
know then yeah you want to start lower

2096
02:52:04,319 --> 02:52:11,080
before we go there yep I hear you and
I'm sure you probably have yeah and I

2097
02:52:08,560 --> 02:52:16,120
don't disagree but we're at we started
here and we' we've gone up the food

2098
02:52:12,920 --> 02:52:23,359
chain and it's it's the same song and
dance so um you know and it's it's to

2099
02:52:19,560 --> 02:52:28,439
the point words I I don't yeah I'm I'm
past frustrated so I'm ready to

2100
02:52:26,160 --> 02:52:31,479
actually look to get out of our
partnership with the Oregon food bank on

2101
02:52:29,960 --> 02:52:37,479
a permanent basis if it were up to me
that's where we would be it's not solely

2102
02:52:33,359 --> 02:52:41,560
up to me so um it's it's just ridiculous
so we'll do a little bit of work on that

2103
02:52:38,920 --> 02:52:45,840
thank you for that really appreciate it
um and then remember Thursday is going

2104
02:52:43,359 --> 02:52:50,960
to be a lot of fun uh make sure I will
as well but it feels like I I love like

2105
02:52:48,279 --> 02:52:54,520
the preemo you know is where how things
are all going to land and where to plug

2106
02:52:52,720 --> 02:52:58,880
in it's really buttoned up you're doing
a great job organizing it so uh that's

2107
02:52:57,200 --> 02:53:02,600
all I have thanks everybody appreciate
it thanks