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enjoyed it when we did it but the kids

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right we will call the meeting to

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order this is the monthly meeting of the

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Planning Commission of the city of

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Sandy this is Monday June 26

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2023 we're beginning the meeting on time

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at 6:30 this meeting is in hybrid uh

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fashion uh in person and online I'll

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give uh instructions later on when the

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time comes as to how people who are

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online can uh give

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testimony so let's find out who's here

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with a roll call okay I'm gonna start

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with commissioner

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pulan here commissioner Wagner here

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commissioner Lee Weinberg here

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commissioner Ramer here

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chair Crosby here and also joining us

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online just so you're aware of who's on

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there is our City attorney and Josh soer

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taking minutes Rebecca Markham and then

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you do have some other people uh on the

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attendee list as well

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the one taking the notes uh no Rebecca

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is taking the notes from home all right

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okay speaking of notes

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we did have in our packet the minutes

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from our last meeting May 22

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2023 uh any additions changes

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will consider those minutes as approved

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presented and on all of our meetings we

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give opportunity at the beginning for

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anybody in the public to um speak to the

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Planning Commission on any topic that is

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not on the agenda

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tonight and um that is the time now if

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you are online on Zoom to participate

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you click the raise hand button and wait

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for Kelly to recognize you if you're on

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the telephone you dial Star n and same

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thing wait to to be recognized if you um

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doing it that way or if you are speaking

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here we ask that here in the room come

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to the podium and state your name and

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your address for the record so this is

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the opportunity for just general

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requests comments from the floor to the

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Planning Commission on anything not on

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agenda okay I don't see anything we have

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one little item item of um housekeeping

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of um Stephen hook who was our vice

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chair as you all heard St had to step

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down from the Planning Commission

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because of a new job that conflicted

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with Monday meetings so we need to I

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need to hear any nominations or

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suggestions for a vice chair this

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position role will last will go until

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the end of the year here because we we

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re renominate first I would self

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nominate

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okay that is commissioner Lee has thrown

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in anybody else have a suggestion or an

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or okay it is

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quiet it out the contest yeah I don't know if that needs a a first and

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a second I think it'd be best to have a

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motion just for the record so we'll take

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yours as a nomin as a first I'd be happy

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to second okay and we have a second for

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uh commissioner Lee to be the vice chair

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and we'll just do a voice Vote or a

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thumbs up on camera so all in favor say

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opposed all right so that's five zero

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we have an August meeting here

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on I'm not I'm not

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here all right

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uh Mr city council Li

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on you we're just so used to having you

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speak that uh you want me to get up

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there well if you if if you have any any

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particular comments from city council

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that we need you think we should be

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aware of the only thing that I would add

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to the the meeting minut that um the the

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park park is campus you know the P track

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skateboard it closed and we did have bid

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a bid on it so that's I mean that was

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big news because you know we allocated a

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lot of money to build that part and we

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put it out for nomination for RP and and

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it went out and we had people B on it so

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that closed and there should be some

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exciting news you know about that it's

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going to be a long process but I was

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excited when I saw that representation

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and then other than that we had the

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longest day Parkway event just last week

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at at the bo park by Smash pad I think

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we had about 350 people show up I mean

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it was pretty big success and over 300

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hot dogs

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so pretty excited so other than that um

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there was a fatality on the corner over

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here I think that was it last night on

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so a tragic accident they ran into the

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corner do an investigation on that so

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that's really all the news I have

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okay thank you very

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much all right we'll move on to the

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director's report it was in our pocket

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so Kelly you can add to elaborate or ask

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the questions whatever yeah I'm going to

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try to do some fancier camera angles

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this and during the presentation so

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we'll see if I'm successful on it so

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it's showing me now instead of

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youas um yeah the main the main few

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things I would like to let everybody

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know is the city council did pass the

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Bal budget for the next two years and we

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will be filling two positions one of

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already um been posted on the city

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website and at different websites for

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basically planners that they go to um

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like the organ APA and the Washington

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APA so we're hopeful that we'll get that

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filled within a couple months and then

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we're working on um finalizing the job

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description for a new code enforcement

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specialist so traditionally in the city

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of Sandy over the last probably 3040

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years there's been one code enforcement

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officer and that person's been stationed

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out of the police department um that

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code enforcement officer has been very

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helpful to City Hall and to the

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department I oversee and public works

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but the city has just gotten too large

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and there's not we basically need

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another person to assist and so what

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we're going to be doing is creating two

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different positions one of which is

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going to stay in the police department

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and focus more on police Centric items

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like noise complaints

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dogs um stolen vehicles illegally parked

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vehicles um things that would

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traditionally be taken care of by a

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police department and the other position

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is going to be focused more on things in

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the development services and Public

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Works realm such as um sidewalk issues

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building code violations um and so on so

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they're going to be kind of divided up

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and then our plan's going to be over

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this summer to create a really robust

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web page uh with all the information on

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it that depending on what your um

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complaint or inquiry is that this is who

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you contact so it's very clearly

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delineated on the website

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um and one of the main reasons we

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decided that it was you know that we

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approached it that way is because the

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police department and you know the

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lieutenants insurgents and chief over

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there really specialize

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in police violations and the people in

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our department specialize more in

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development code violations so both the

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police chief and myself thought it was

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best if we had two different officers

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reporting to the two different

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departments so that's an interesting

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update um a small update on the sanitary

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sewer moratory

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the city entered into a consent degree

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so basically a settlement Court

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settlement with EPA and DQ we're hopeful

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that will be signed by the judge um in

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July I believe and then we repealed and

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replaced moratorium 1.0 is what I'm kind

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of calling it uh that was established on

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2022 and we replaced it with a new

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moratorium that does allow for some

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additional land use applications to be

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submitted and also for more building

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permits to be issued is basically the

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main thrust of that

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change um and then the stress test is

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all been completed out at the sewer

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treatment plant and we're hopeful that

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the results will be done probably late

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summer and then it'll have to be

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analyzed by both the city's engineering

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firm that we've hired and also by the

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EPA and DQ so we're hopeful that

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sometime in the spring it'll be agreed

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upon how much additional capacity

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basically we opened up with all the

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sewer treatment plant and sewer pipe

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lateral improvements we've done around

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town um the upcoming meetings there'll

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be no meeting in July we're going to

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take that month off and there might be

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on August 14th and then there definitely

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25th I won't go into the applications a

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note just because you're all familiar

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with those I believe and I just wanted

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to kind of give a small update on those within uh the director

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report the clear and objective audit I

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believe most of you are aware of what's

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going on with that there was a work

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session um last week on that and the tsp

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was adopted last Tuesday so that's a big

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move that's uh been a document that

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we've been preparing and moving forward

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on for I believe three and a half years

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with our engineering firm and ODOT and

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so that's complete and adopted and then

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information on comprehensive plan

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and then also the additional Outreach

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and feedback we're going to be looking

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for in Block two uh which is mainly

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focused around natural hazards and parks

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recreation so oh and then the last thing

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which I said I was going to update you

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on is with uh commissioner hook stepping

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down from the commission um we did post

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I believe it was last week the opening

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for the Planning Commission so I think

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that'll open for two weeks I

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believe and then we're going to move on

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it pretty quickly

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there's I believe mid July there'll be a

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meeting with any of the applicants that

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are the finalists and I believe

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commissioner Wagner will be serving that

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role assisting three different city

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councilors with selecting somebody to

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then be brought forward as a potential

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appointment before the city council so

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hopefully we'll have somebody new in

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that role

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um I would think by August would be my

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hope so it's pretty pretty quick

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turnaround actually so I think think

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that's what I had for you okay you had mentioned something about update

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on legislation oh yes sure that might be

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informative to us yeah yesterday was the

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last day of the legislative session

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there was a bill on the floor that would

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have allowed any property to be exempt

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from the ugb and to move forward with

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development so there was quite a concern

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whether that would pass or not it felled

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by one vote because the Republicans had

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five people that didn't show up for the

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meetings so we missed we dodged that

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bullet but there's another bill House

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Bill 3395 that I sent to Kelly some info

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about but what it does is it changes

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some of the regulations for affordable

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housing um it has new process for citing

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Emergency Shelters um new regulations

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for planned communities and for single

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room occupancy

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residency and reduces some barriers in

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planning regulations but there will be

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some grants from the state for some of

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that

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work lots of stuff to come and and just

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so you know we'll we'll be trying to

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address as much House Bill andca Bill

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Provisions as possible with the curent

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objective audit but um I would say over

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the last three years or so the state's

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been moving so fast on bills that it's

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very likely that we'll get done with the

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audit uh this winter and then have to

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make additional code edits soon

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thereafter I'm I'm almost positive that

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will happen it's just the legislature is

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moving very quickly on landuse bills

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and our attorney can give a better

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rendition of this no I think that was

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very well

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done all right anybody have questions

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for

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Kelly very well then we have one public

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hearing

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tonight which we will and again I will

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be given instructions to those

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online for testimony and when we get to

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that point so I will open the public

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hearing at

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6:44 Kelly there I don't see a file

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number yeah I forgot to put it on there

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so we'll just call it the it is the

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Cascade Creek mixed use

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development you have a number I'll write

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yeah hold on one second sorry I noticed

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that today that I forgot to put it on

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the

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agenda it's on H3 oh my computer's going

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really

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slow it's land use file number

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22- z39 drmp V

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tree okay we will just call it 22- 039

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file I will Begin by calling for any

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abstentions from anybody on the planning

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commission okay I see nothing any

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conflicts of interest tocl

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anybody okay nothing

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seen uh any expar contact including any

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site

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visits Park uh this week it was a Jer

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okay

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all right did anybody look at it on

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Google

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Earth no I think tell team I've been

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putting those images right into the

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staff report which has been helpful

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yeah okay and I'll call for any

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challenges to the members of the hearing

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body the Planning

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Commission all right if you testify

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tonight you must raise all issues you

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wish to address at this

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hearing if your issue is not raised at

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this hearing you may not be able to

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raise it later in any

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appeal your comments should State why

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the application should or should not be

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approved or include your proposed

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modifications you believe are necessary

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for approval according to the

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standards if you do not raise specific

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issues at the final evidentiary hearing

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or by close of the record or fail to

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provide statements or evidence to allow

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the local government or its designate to

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respond to the issue you will not be

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able to appeal the decision to the land

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use board of appeals based on that

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particular

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issue any party May request that the

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hearing be continued to a later date or

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that the record remain open after the

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hearing is

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closed failure of the applicant to raise

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constitutional or other issues relating

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to the proposed conditions of approval

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with sufficient specificity to allow the

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local government or its designate to

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respond to the issue precludes an action

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for damages in Circuit

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Court we will move to the staff

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report okay

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second it presenting on your y oh there

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it goes I think it's just such a big

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file

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okay so this is going to be somewhat of

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a longer presentation than I typically

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give just because it's a pretty complex

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land use application as you saw in the

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staff report I believe it's 66 pages

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long um so as you're going through that

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staff report and this for the public as

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well what I would mainly what I would

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recommend concentrating the most on is

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anywhere that there's bolted text

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because that's anything that we're

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recommending a condition on and then

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also anywhere in the document where it

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analyzes something met a criteria or not

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because those those are the things that

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you can either approve or reject an

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application based

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on so th those would be the two things I

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would focus in on the most uh for

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anybody that's looking at that document

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because I do realize 66 pages of text is

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difficult to look

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through so I will try to summarize the

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main points in about 25 slides

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here so as you'll see on this first map

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um this is the vicinity map the property

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in red is where the development site is

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located it's southa Highway 211 East the

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village west of Pine and north of

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bornstead Park so as you can see in the

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upper leftand corner North is pointing

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up on the

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screen I'm not going to go over all

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these but this is another point that I

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wanted to make related to the first

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point that I just made a minute ago is

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that when you're looking at a

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development site of this size also in

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the Barnstead Village overlay this is

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how many different code chapters that I

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reviewed while making the staff report

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so this is one of the reasons why it's

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complex and the staff report is very

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large is because there's a lot of codes

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to look

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at and this was this was in the public

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notice and the legal notice that we put

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out so this is again just some

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information on sent notice uh the

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transmitt on the first line items just

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to other agencies uh both internal to

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the city and external like PGE or OD do

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uh I just wanted to put some dates on

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here showing that we met our code

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required noticing for both to the

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neighborhood in the legal uh section of

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the of the Sandy post and also on the

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city's Facebook

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account I did want to also mention that

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this application is not affected by the

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moratorium and the reason why is because

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it was filed in September of

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2022 before the effective date on

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October 3rd so if this if this

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application would have been filed on

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October 4th of

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2022 we would have denied it outright

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and said that because there's a

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moratorium in effect uh we can't take

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the application for processing however

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that's not the case uh it's basically

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what orgon calls the go goal post rule

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so they submitted it prior to that

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resolution being effective in the city

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of Sandy so it cannot be used for our

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analysis just to remind everybody the

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proposals for 78 multif family

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residential units and 10 office spaces

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one of the existing houses on the site

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will be demolished and the other

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existing house will remain I think

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they're going to fix it up and have a

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new driveway access from the south and

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close the two driveway accesses along

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Highway uh

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211 the four buildings to the south of

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where cascad Village Drive will go

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through which I'll show in a few minutes

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here those will all contain multif

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family residential buildings the two

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North will contain residential on the

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upper

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floors um and a mix of mixed juice

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office on the ground floor with some uh

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dwelling units on the ground floor as

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well and then this is is very important

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to note a lot of what kind of made the

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layout decisions in this development are

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related to Cascadia Village Drive being

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extended East to West Village Drive

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being extended North to South Pine

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Street being extended North up into the

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development site and the Highway 211

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improvements and driveway um removals

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that occurred along Highway 21 so th

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this development

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site in some senses was already kind of

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laid out for the applicant in that they

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had very little ability to change the

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layout of Cascadia Village Pine Street

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or Village basically they had no ability

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to change those so what you see on the

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proposal is pretty much uh the

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development layout that any developer

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would have proposed on this

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site the zoning and acreage so there are

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three zones low density residential

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which we call R1 medium density

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residential which we call R2 and

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commercial which is C3 and then there's

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an overlay which is the bornstead

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village overlay so that kind of adds

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additional complexity and scrutiny on

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the

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application the acreage was 8.83 acres

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is what the total site acreage is 1.88

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Acres would be dedicated for RightWay

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which is roads essentially and that

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would leave us with 6.95 nit Acres which

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is the development

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site so I'm not going to like go through

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every bit of this slide but basically it

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lays out in those three different zones

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what the different densities

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are uh for the top one low density

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residential there's only 023 acres and

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there's no new dwellings being proposed

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in that land the medium density which is

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R2 is

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3.95 which allows for a maximum of 55

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dwelling units per the development code

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the applicant is proposing 46 so about

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nine less than could be allowed if they

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wanted to go with a higher density

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The Village commercial interestingly

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enough doesn't have a density range for

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residential

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development it never has since I've

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worked here in 12 years and I I think

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when it was created in 1997 it was never

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given a density at that time as

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well and it's something I would I would

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recommend rectifying in the future but

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for now this is what we're stuck with um

542
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so what they're proposing 32 dwelling

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units and the one existing house to

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remain this is somewhat controlled

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though because there are standards such

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as height

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setbacks parking Landscaping minimum so

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it's not like you could just go with

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unlimited density because of the other

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uh restrictions within the development

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code so it's the bottom line is it's meeting the oops it's meeting the

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allowable uses which is multif family

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and office on the C3 land and it's

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meeting the density ranges for all three

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zones The Proposal

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is the right now there's two lots which

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run kind of north to south so they run

558
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,640
from Highway 211 down to

559
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,000
bornstead one of the code Provisions is

560
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,520
once you put a RightWay through a

561
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,480
property you have to partition it um one

562
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,360
of the other complexities is I think

563
00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:54,960
they were trying to clean up the

564
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,880
property line so there was no property

565
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,720
line running through any building which

566
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,039
is a violation of the organ plumbing

567
00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:05,240
code so now instead of two properties

568
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,159
running north to south there's three

569
00:26:07,159 --> 00:26:08,360
properties that are running more

570
00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:11,279
horizontal east to west and they're

571
00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:14,000
labeled here so everybody can kind of

572
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,159
see

573
00:26:15,159 --> 00:26:17,279
that and just to orient everybody

574
00:26:17,279 --> 00:26:20,120
Village Boulevard's on the left hand

575
00:26:20,120 --> 00:26:21,799
side of the screen so that's the road

576
00:26:21,799 --> 00:26:24,720
going north to south and Cascadia

577
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,399
Village drives kind of bisecting the

578
00:26:26,399 --> 00:26:28,960
property and then Pine streets on the

579
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:34,710
East end or the East kind of edge of the

580
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,440
property here's the site plan

581
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,399
showing all of the buildings so in total

582
00:26:40,399 --> 00:26:43,600
there's six buildings the one existing

583
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,320
house to remain at the

584
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,640
top um it's

585
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,279
showing a bunch of roads and Road

586
00:26:50,279 --> 00:26:53,200
improvements being put in uh 1.88 Acres

587
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,000
of that so it's it's quite a bit of

588
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,159
roads going

589
00:26:56,159 --> 00:27:00,399
in um several hundred parking spaces and

590
00:27:00,399 --> 00:27:03,000
also a lot of landscaping the

591
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,720
Landscaping is in the Civil plan set

592
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,279
that's in the packet but I did not

593
00:27:08,279 --> 00:27:10,480
include it in my

594
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,679
slideshow they're also proposing some

595
00:27:12,679 --> 00:27:14,559
large recreational

596
00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:17,600
areas uh north of bnet Park heavily

597
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,360
treed so there's if you look at the tree

598
00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:22,480
plan it's heavily treed along the South

599
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,559
property line there and then they're

600
00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:26,320
also proposing some different Recreation

601
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,520
areas both on the southern part of the

602
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,480
property south of Cascadia Village Drive

603
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,240
and on the North part of the property

604
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,720
north of that um and that's required by

605
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,320
the development code that when you have

606
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,960
over I believe it's five multif family

607
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,840
housing units you have to provide

608
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,559
recreational area for of 200 square feet

609
00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:48,120
per dwelling unit so it' be 200 square

610
00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:49,360
feet times

611
00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:51,919
78 and then in addition to that you also

612
00:27:51,919 --> 00:27:54,000
just have to provide other Landscaping

613
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,720
as the code lays

614
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,320
out so there requesting some variances

615
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,000
this

616
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,960
one this one's not of their making it's

617
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,279
just because of how the roads are

618
00:28:06,279 --> 00:28:10,039
already laid out uh Pine Street has to

619
00:28:10,039 --> 00:28:11,919
go north from its current Terminus for

620
00:28:11,919 --> 00:28:14,600
the code provisions and then Pine Street

621
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,600
North which is on the upper hand here of

622
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,240
the screen that's shown in the bornstead

623
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,720
village plan going out to the highway

624
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,440
however as you've probably seen in the

625
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,159
staff report our city transportation

626
00:28:27,159 --> 00:28:28,960
engineer is not recommending that that

627
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,679
goes all the way through um because they

628
00:28:31,679 --> 00:28:33,039
don't want basically another access

629
00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:35,480
point out to the highway instead there

630
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,120
we recommending that it turns over to

631
00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:39,320
gway and I'll show that in a few slides

632
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,679
here um but this variance is basically a

633
00:28:43,679 --> 00:28:48,159
request does my cursor work no of course

634
00:28:48,159 --> 00:28:49,360
it

635
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,600
doesn't so what the request is is that

636
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,440
it's less than 150 feet from Pine Street

637
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,600
North above cascaded Village Drive it's

638
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,880
less than 150 feet horizontally over to

639
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,399
Pine Street South like I said I don't we

640
00:29:04,399 --> 00:29:05,799
have I evaluated it I don't think

641
00:29:05,799 --> 00:29:09,909
there's any other way to design

642
00:29:09,919 --> 00:29:13,240
it another variance which is not of the

643
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,480
applicants making really either and I

644
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:16,880
think that's why I'm recommending

645
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,039
approval of this this is for Block

646
00:29:20,039 --> 00:29:23,440
length and it's basically a request to

647
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,000
exceed the 400 foot block length from

648
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,120
Cascadia Village Drive to Sequoia Street

649
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,080
which is the street just south of Barnet

650
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,519
Park um there's really no way not to

651
00:29:35,519 --> 00:29:38,279
exceed this uh the city doesn't want

652
00:29:38,279 --> 00:29:40,760
another park at the North Terminus of

653
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,519
bnad Park we talked about it pretty

654
00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:44,640
extensively recently with the parks

655
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,840
department um so the applicant was

656
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,960
pretty much stuck with just putting it

657
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,760
just having a block link that exceeds

658
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,440
400 feet so we're recommending approval

659
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,760
of that variance as well

660
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,519
and as you and as you can I don't know

661
00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:02,080
if you can really see on this one the

662
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,360
applicant is proposing a pedestrian

663
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,240
cross through from Cascadia Village down

664
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,960
to Barnstead Park and that would be a

665
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:15,630
public eement bisecting the LA block

666
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,279
there this is another variance I think

667
00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:19,880
you're very familiar with this people

668
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,159
that have been on the commission for a

669
00:30:21,159 --> 00:30:24,440
while um have seen this a lot so it's

670
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:25,880
obviously something in our code that we

671
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:26,799
need to

672
00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:29,000
change uh

673
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,159
we just approved this for stage Street

674
00:30:31,159 --> 00:30:34,480
homes um a month or two ago and this is

675
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,039
the provision

676
00:30:36,039 --> 00:30:40,120
to uh reduce the offsets along a

677
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,559
building to less than eight feet every

678
00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:44,640
20 feet so I think I think we've

679
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,880
approved it pretty much every time it's

680
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,640
been requested because nobody is

681
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,000
building

682
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,200
it to these Dimensions at this point in

683
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,159
time so it's it's a I I would argue it's

684
00:30:55,159 --> 00:30:56,720
a code provision that we need to change

685
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,320
on our end because we haven't seen a

686
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,279
multif family housing project in

687
00:31:02,279 --> 00:31:05,600
probably at least my 12 years here that

688
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,120
has actually been able to meet this code

689
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,159
provision and still

690
00:31:09,159 --> 00:31:12,840
build to kind of

691
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,320
the what I would say is kind of

692
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,960
the current style of Garden Apartments

693
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,519
that we're seeing around in Sandy I

694
00:31:21,519 --> 00:31:23,080
haven't seen anybody be able to meet

695
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,799
this standard yet so that's what that is

696
00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:28,159
it's an offset standard

697
00:31:28,159 --> 00:31:30,720
this is another one that we get a lot um

698
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,200
and in this case I think it's pretty

699
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,760
valid this is a tree variance request um

700
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,120
sometimes there's a lot of healthy trees

701
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,799
on sites and we still see this request

702
00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:43,840
in this case uh their arborous evaluated

703
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,279
all the trees and then we had our third

704
00:31:46,279 --> 00:31:48,919
party arborus that works for the city

705
00:31:48,919 --> 00:31:50,679
evaluated

706
00:31:50,679 --> 00:31:53,240
also our third party Arbor said there's

707
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,679
only four to six healthy trees most of

708
00:31:55,679 --> 00:31:57,360
the trees on the north end of that

709
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:58,559
property

710
00:31:58,559 --> 00:32:00,840
are actually in a pretty bad state of

711
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,120
Decline and he was recommending the

712
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,960
majority of them not be retained there

713
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,000
are some trees that were decently

714
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,519
healthy uh north of the property but

715
00:32:10,519 --> 00:32:12,519
those are in the right right away right

716
00:32:12,519 --> 00:32:14,799
where the sidewalk and all the Highway

717
00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:16,639
21 improvements need to go in so those

718
00:32:16,639 --> 00:32:19,120
need to be removed so we're also

719
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,480
recommending approval of this variants I

720
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,919
will say though I'm recommending 93 to

721
00:32:24,919 --> 00:32:28,519
97 mitigation trees are planted

722
00:32:28,519 --> 00:32:30,559
um which if you look at the landscape

723
00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:31,799
plan the majority of those would be

724
00:32:31,799 --> 00:32:35,440
planted along the southern Edge uh on

725
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,110
the

726
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,720
park so this is this one's kind of a

727
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,159
complex one I'll just say that up front

728
00:32:43,159 --> 00:32:46,840
here this is the RightWay modifications

729
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,080
that our city traffic engineer and

730
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,679
myself were

731
00:32:50,679 --> 00:32:53,960
recommending so as I as I said we're not

732
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,880
recommending Pine Street to go all the

733
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,399
way through to Highway 211 we're

734
00:32:58,399 --> 00:33:00,559
recommending that it starts the turn and

735
00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:02,679
go to gway so that there's a connection

736
00:33:02,679 --> 00:33:03,600
there in the

737
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,600
future we're recommending that we the

738
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,320
city conditions that the asphalt north

739
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,559
of that's removed but that the RightWay

740
00:33:11,559 --> 00:33:14,960
dedication stays intact and we sell a we

741
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,720
sell have Street trees and a sidewalk

742
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,399
that goes up to

743
00:33:18,399 --> 00:33:20,760
211 with that change we would be

744
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,279
recommending extending the curb and

745
00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:24,760
planner strip and sidewalk on highway to

746
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,600
11 East to the project boundary

747
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,039
we would also be recommending narrowing

748
00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:33,480
the medians on both Cascadia Village

749
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,880
Drive and Village Boulevard to provide

750
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,799
for on street parking on both sides of

751
00:33:37,799 --> 00:33:42,039
the road um the these streets that are

752
00:33:42,039 --> 00:33:44,799
being proposed by the applicant they're

753
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:47,480
too narrow to provide on street parking

754
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,880
and also fire apparatus access so right

755
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,279
now with what they're being proposed at

756
00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:54,559
you wouldn't have on street parking

757
00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:58,080
anywhere on Cascadia Village or Village

758
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,840
but what I'm recommending and Public

759
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,960
Works is in agreement is that we'd like

760
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,200
to see the medians decrease in width on

761
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,800
those two streets and then on street

762
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:14,240
parking along the frontage of both these roads that are being

763
00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:16,399
sold the other thing that's nice for the

764
00:34:16,399 --> 00:34:19,200
city is a 20 foot median is actually

765
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,639
very expensive to maintain it's just a

766
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:24,560
ton of weed pulling and maintenance

767
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,839
costs so going down to a 91 foot median

768
00:34:27,839 --> 00:34:30,079
still allows for the trees uh but it

769
00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:32,000
gives it a more realistic maintenance of

770
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,520
that median as

771
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,359
well the really complex issue here is

772
00:34:36,359 --> 00:34:38,800
what we're going to do with Pine

773
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,480
Street South and the recommendation from

774
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,800
our traffic engineer is to install

775
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,760
ballards for the time being to block any

776
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,480
vehicles that are trying to go east from

777
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,000
the development side on Cascadia Village

778
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,839
so right now you'd be able to use Pine

779
00:34:56,839 --> 00:34:58,400
Street North

780
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,920
if you lived in the subdivisions to the

781
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,359
east of this development site but people

782
00:35:03,359 --> 00:35:04,800
coming in and out of this development

783
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,599
site would not be able to travel east on

784
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:09,440
Cascadia Village Drive the main reason

785
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:10,400
for that

786
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,480
is because they this you I'll just point

787
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,320
it out here it's very

788
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,119
complex this property owner that's

789
00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:23,640
developing doesn't own this acre here

790
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,320
and there's no way that they can force

791
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,119
anybody to dedicate right away they

792
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:31,160
already talked them so this section

793
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,640
here will remain private property and so

794
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,400
there's not enough room basically to

795
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,240
have two-way traffic going through here

796
00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:40,640
without that little piece of land so for

797
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:41,760
the time being you would install

798
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,640
ballards here and here this could still

799
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,359
be used for like bikes and stuff through

800
00:35:46,359 --> 00:35:49,599
here and at some point when this is

801
00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:51,920
widened then there would be traffic

802
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,680
through both

803
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,599
ways this would also be blocked for now

804
00:35:56,599 --> 00:35:58,079
because it's going to be too narrow and

805
00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:00,520
there's not going to be anywhere to go

806
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,040
um but we we always recommend and

807
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:04,640
require that the asal's put in the

808
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,520
development because otherwise there's no

809
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,119
other way to really require in the

810
00:36:08,119 --> 00:36:09,920
future of the

811
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,200
vul at some point when this goes through

812
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,800
what we have plann on doing is this

813
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:20,000
median will be extended all the way to

814
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,680
here and so if you were to come north

815
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,680
here you could go around the median and

816
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:25,960
go west

817
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,560
down but it what would restrict is that

818
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,040
anybody coming south down here would

819
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,599
have to turn this way it's basically

820
00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:36,000
trying to put less impact down to this neighborhood here by the design

821
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,839
that we're trying to put forward and

822
00:36:37,839 --> 00:36:39,160
then eventually you would be able to go

823
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,920
east on Cascadia out

824
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,079
Ro hopefully that makes

825
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:48,880
sense there's a bunch of findings and

826
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,760
conditions on it I just want to kind of

827
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,200
draw it out for you tonight because I

828
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,520
think it's really complex to

829
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,359
explain the other two here

830
00:36:58,359 --> 00:37:01,319
um oh man those turned out really small

831
00:37:01,319 --> 00:37:03,760
so the one on the on the left hand side

832
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,760
that's just basically showing narrowing

833
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,680
that median down uh as I already said

834
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,280
and then on the east or on the on the

835
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,119
right hand side of the page

836
00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:15,960
here it's showing a small off-site

837
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,640
sidewalk connection to connect it to a

838
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,960
gravel pathway in bad Park and that was

839
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,640
requested uh verbally by both the public

840
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:29,920
works department and the parks and and wck department and then the other

841
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,640
last thing here is adding additional

842
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,839
asphalt um to the southern Terminus of

843
00:37:35,839 --> 00:37:37,599
Cascadia Village and the main reason for

844
00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:39,599
that is so that fire trucks and dump

845
00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:41,960
trucks and mail delivery and all and

846
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,680
school buses can all turn around down

847
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,200
there is the reason

848
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,560
why so I'm just going to Rifle through

849
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,839
these pretty quickly this is building a

850
00:37:50,839 --> 00:37:53,160
in the design on that um as you'll see

851
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:54,839
in the staff report there's some

852
00:37:54,839 --> 00:37:57,720
conditions to add some additional supp

853
00:37:57,720 --> 00:37:59,520
Al design elements on this building

854
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,800
especially facing out to Village

855
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,520
Boulevard and this is north of

856
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,720
Cascadia this one's also north of

857
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:09,960
Cascadia uh to the east of building

858
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:15,230
a this is Building C to the south of

859
00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:18,829
Cascadia building

860
00:38:18,839 --> 00:38:22,240
D Building

861
00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:24,839
E and building

862
00:38:24,839 --> 00:38:28,599
F so as you'll see

863
00:38:28,599 --> 00:38:30,800
uh five of the buildings are three

864
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,160
stories and one of the buildings

865
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,960
building a is the only four-story

866
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,309
building being

867
00:38:39,319 --> 00:38:41,599
proposed so this is the only four-story

868
00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:43,319
building oh man what's going on with

869
00:38:43,319 --> 00:38:48,270
this

870
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:56,150
slideshow sorry about

871
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,680
that that's only four story building the

872
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,640
rests are three and then building I

873
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,510
think it's

874
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,520
c is kind of a day it it gives the

875
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:07,960
appearance from the uphill side of being

876
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,440
somewhat of a daylight basement on the

877
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,079
one side so it's two stories basically

878
00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:14,119
on the one side and then three stories

879
00:39:14,119 --> 00:39:16,079
on the other so the South elevation

880
00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:18,720
facing the park appears to be it is two

881
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:20,560
stories and then as you go down the hill

882
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,589
it begins to be

883
00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:27,920
three and again these meet all the uh

884
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:34,190
development code setbacks and height

885
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,560
standards

886
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,240
okay so last couple slides here sorry

887
00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:44,920
it's taking so long um the the the the

888
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,319
proposals meeting the development codes

889
00:39:47,319 --> 00:39:50,760
Criterion for partition for design

890
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,480
review for density for

891
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,640
height the only thing it's really not

892
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,079
meeting for the most part are those four

893
00:39:59,079 --> 00:40:02,280
variances as I covered um and then

894
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,200
there's a lot of what I would

895
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,760
consider design or landscaping or

896
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,400
parking deficiencies or RightWay

897
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,760
deficiencies they're not anything that

898
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,640
would TP be typical of denial for the

899
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,960
proposal they would just be conditioned

900
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,400
to be modified and so that's what's in

901
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,640
the packet tonight is I think 11 pages

902
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,880
of conditions of

903
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,680
if you were to approve the application

904
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,000
here's 11 pages of changes and

905
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,640
conditions that will be that I would

906
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,560
recommend tying to the approval so a few

907
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,400
of the few a few of the major goals

908
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:41,920
consistent with the long-range planning

909
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,119
objectives I just like to remind

910
00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:44,800
everybody of

911
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,119
these is the widening of Village

912
00:40:48,119 --> 00:40:50,480
Boulevard Cascadia Village Drive being

913
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,160
extended through were both in the 2011

914
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,160
transportation system plan they were

915
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,920
also in the one that we just adopted the

916
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,000
other night although that's not

917
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,359
applicable to this application they're

918
00:41:01,359 --> 00:41:03,520
also both in the bnad village overlay

919
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,119
plan and so is Pine Street extending

920
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:09,880
North this development I'm recommending

921
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,480
to pay a proportional share fee and this

922
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,720
was recommended by our transportation

923
00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:18,160
engineer uh the council would recall

924
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:19,560
this I'm not sure if the Planning

925
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,040
Commission remembers this or not but

926
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,599
with bu the approval of Bull Run tffs

927
00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:26,359
recently this proportional share fee was

928
00:41:26,359 --> 00:41:28,720
charged on that development as well and

929
00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:30,920
basically what it's saying is that these

930
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,640
developments are causing additional

931
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,359
traffic or trips to board to to Barco

932
00:41:36,359 --> 00:41:38,880
Road and Highway 211 and therefore they

933
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,359
have to mitigate that by paying an

934
00:41:40,359 --> 00:41:42,599
off-site fee and so the fee for this

935
00:41:42,599 --> 00:41:58,109
development would be 347,000

936
00:41:58,119 --> 00:42:00,000
uh with Cascadia Village Drive

937
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,480
concurrent with the bbo and it's also

938
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:03,680
fulfilling the housing needs as

939
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,400
identified in the urbanization study

940
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,510
that was adopted in

941
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,000
2015 um so with that like I said I from

942
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,240
you know my job at the city is to work

943
00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:17,319
with applicants developers and try to

944
00:42:17,319 --> 00:42:20,200
find the best outcome possible um I will

945
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:21,599
say that this developers has done a

946
00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:22,760
pretty good job of doing that their

947
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:27,480
original site layouts and U the items

948
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,079
that they submitted to us at the prea

949
00:42:29,079 --> 00:42:32,880
and in even after we worked with them

950
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,240
pretty pretty earnestly to get those

951
00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:36,920
modified so that they would be meeting

952
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:37,720
our

953
00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:39,920
code um as I

954
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,680
said from a planning perspective it's

955
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,319
pretty much meeting the code except for

956
00:42:44,319 --> 00:42:47,720
those few variances and if if it is

957
00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:50,520
approved with those variances and the

958
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,720
long list the conditions that I'm

959
00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:55,280
recommending um I would recommend

960
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,680
approval

961
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:04,270
so with that I will stop sharing the

962
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:10,829
screen I'm G to turn the camera

963
00:43:10,839 --> 00:43:19,470
back okay any immediate questions for

964
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:25,829
Kelly if you uh there we go okay

965
00:43:25,839 --> 00:43:29,040
yeah all right right now we'll move on

966
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,160
to the applicant

967
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,720
presentation and uh while we can't see

968
00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:36,640
you yet let you know that you will have

969
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,400
20 minutes to

970
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,839
uh make your presentation and as for

971
00:43:42,839 --> 00:43:45,359
everybody uh remember to give us your

972
00:43:45,359 --> 00:43:49,280
name and your address for whoever uh

973
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,640
speaks and chair I'm going to be

974
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,960
promoting anybody on the applicant team

975
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,599
that wants to have a speaking role

976
00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:57,240
during the presentation will raise their

977
00:43:57,240 --> 00:44:00,319
hands and I'll promote them to a

978
00:44:00,319 --> 00:44:03,000
panelist so right now we have Megan that

979
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:11,309
I promoted to a

980
00:44:11,319 --> 00:44:28,510
panelist and Zach

981
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:29,920
and that appears like the two of them

982
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,630
will be

983
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,000
speaking so if you if you can both turn

984
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,520
your camera on that way it just kind of

985
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:41,950
speeds it up

986
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,359
when okay the floor is

987
00:44:45,359 --> 00:44:49,079
yours how do we get multiple images here

988
00:44:49,079 --> 00:44:52,480
oh hold on one second what happened

989
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,640
we're just we're just seeing all right

990
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:55,520
yeah we're

991
00:44:55,520 --> 00:45:02,109
justy not the

992
00:45:02,119 --> 00:45:09,430
Buton there we

993
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,800
go okay take it away

994
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,800
Megan thank you so much Kelly um my name

995
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,400
is Megan Hoy I work for bcra on behalf

996
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,200
of the developer who's also here tonight

997
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,960
to speak with you um I really don't have

998
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,760
anything to add to this presentation I

999
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,319
think that Kelly's done a great job of

1000
00:45:25,319 --> 00:45:27,040
summarizing things and I won't take up

1001
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,960
any of your time um with redundancy so

1002
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:31,760
um if the developer would like to

1003
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,720
introduce himself we'd love to hear

1004
00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:43,950
anything he has to

1005
00:45:43,960 --> 00:46:00,230
saying another person

1006
00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:01,160
hey there

1007
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,440
everybody Zach

1008
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,160
Baker on behalf of the developer uh I

1009
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:07,800
just want to thank you all for your time

1010
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,079
and consideration also big thanks to

1011
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:12,839
Kelly and the planning staff I know this

1012
00:46:12,839 --> 00:46:15,520
is complicated one um and really

1013
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,040
appreciate you working through it with

1014
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,680
us and sticking with us um I'll just

1015
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,119
Echo uh Megan's comment that I think

1016
00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:25,319
Kelly's presentation was very thorough

1017
00:46:25,319 --> 00:46:28,680
and um I'll be mindful of your time and

1018
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,000
uh answer anything that you have

1019
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:40,270
questions on but we otherwise remain

1020
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:44,760
quiet anybody else on your presentation

1021
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,000
team I think it's pretty short and sweet

1022
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:48,119
unless you have

1023
00:46:48,119 --> 00:46:50,599
questions no complaints here and they

1024
00:46:50,599 --> 00:46:52,920
will have a chance to rebut anything as

1025
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,400
well

1026
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,880
um if you guys on your side do you guys

1027
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,119
have questions to them

1028
00:47:00,119 --> 00:47:02,680
or not at the moment I don't see any

1029
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,920
okay Zach do you mind just um muting

1030
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:06,119
just so we don't get any background

1031
00:47:06,119 --> 00:47:10,470
noise yeah you

1032
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,520
bet okay now we'll move into the public

1033
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,240
testimony uh portion and we will call

1034
00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:20,680
for public testimony in three parts um

1035
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,200
I'll first ask for those who are in

1036
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,160
favor of the

1037
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,480
proposal and then we will

1038
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,480
um move to those who are not in favor or

1039
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,000
are against the proposal and there'll

1040
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,800
finally be opportunity for anybody who

1041
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,280
is neither for nor against just as a

1042
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,160
comment or an observation a kind of a

1043
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:45,920
neutral testimony area um keep in mind

1044
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:50,079
that it helps us most if you uh speak to

1045
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:53,160
code issues that we can address there's

1046
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,200
often there's always issues that our

1047
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,760
people's concerns that we cannot address

1048
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,280
in our decision

1049
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,800
making I will remind those who are on

1050
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,680
Zoom who are with us on Zoom that uh if

1051
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,359
you want to speak you can just H click

1052
00:48:10,359 --> 00:48:14,559
the raised hand button and wait for uh

1053
00:48:14,559 --> 00:48:18,119
Kelly to recognize you and if we have

1054
00:48:18,119 --> 00:48:20,200
some we'll probably go let's just do we

1055
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:21,839
haven't done this before we'll go in the

1056
00:48:21,839 --> 00:48:25,559
room and then to zoom and back and forth

1057
00:48:25,559 --> 00:48:28,359
um to to keep it mixed out so you click

1058
00:48:28,359 --> 00:48:30,040
the raised hand if you're on the

1059
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,000
telephone uh it's star9 that you'll

1060
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,200
effectively raise your hand and then

1061
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:36,480
wait to be

1062
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,119
recognized um so some of you that are on

1063
00:48:40,119 --> 00:48:45,240
Zoom there may be a a lag for before you

1064
00:48:45,240 --> 00:48:47,599
recognize while we give testimony

1065
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:49,520
opportunity people in the

1066
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,520
room

1067
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:56,200
so with all that said we'll move now to

1068
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,839
any public testimony who are in favor of

1069
00:48:59,839 --> 00:49:06,190
the

1070
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,079
proposal and again name and

1071
00:49:09,079 --> 00:49:13,000
address jury Jones 38330 South East

1072
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:17,040
Highway 211 which is um the property my

1073
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,119
wife and I bought the property 34 years

1074
00:49:20,119 --> 00:49:23,160
ago we've been on that piece of property

1075
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,040
where the house is to remain we've lived

1076
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,079
in that house for 34 years raised our

1077
00:49:27,079 --> 00:49:30,160
children all of that stuff there um

1078
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,319
we've been involved got involved in the

1079
00:49:33,319 --> 00:49:35,440
whole bornstead

1080
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,640
village um thing went through a lot of

1081
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,200
issues I don't know if any of you were

1082
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,680
around I don't think you were Kelly when

1083
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,440
all that stuff was going on

1084
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:51,040
um had you know had our concerns then um

1085
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:52,839
and one of the one of the concerns that

1086
00:49:52,839 --> 00:49:56,000
I had then that has popped its head up

1087
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,720
here a little bit you know I'm in favor

1088
00:49:57,720 --> 00:50:00,480
of this we you know we need to you know

1089
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:06,760
we need to get this done move on um the governor's uh declared a 36,000

1090
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:10,240
housing unit goal per year I don't see

1091
00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:11,760
how that's going to happen unless these

1092
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,200
type of developments happen in fairly

1093
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:19,000
quickly um but uh that Pine Street thing

1094
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,839
um back when that thing was first

1095
00:50:21,839 --> 00:50:24,319
proposed I thought that it went away um

1096
00:50:24,319 --> 00:50:26,160
one of the questions that I asked

1097
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,119
everybody the Planning Commission city

1098
00:50:28,119 --> 00:50:30,160
council whatever is have any of you gone

1099
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,319
out and walked the site and the answer

1100
00:50:33,319 --> 00:50:37,079
was no no one really had um I can tell

1101
00:50:37,079 --> 00:50:39,760
you from experience that just pulling

1102
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,200
out on 211 is um you're taking your life

1103
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,040
in your hands especially right now uh

1104
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,359
police enforcement isn't what it used to

1105
00:50:48,359 --> 00:50:53,839
be around there um but uh where Pine

1106
00:50:53,839 --> 00:50:55,680
Street would come out on 211 I was kind

1107
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,920
of encouraged to here that the city's

1108
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,400
traffic engineer isn't recommending that

1109
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,520
it does so I guess my question would be

1110
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,000
why even have it just because code says

1111
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,559
that you got to have the thing there um

1112
00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:10,559
doesn't make sense to me why it would

1113
00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:14,520
have to be but um you know my

1114
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,359
recommendation is that this thing get

1115
00:51:16,359 --> 00:51:24,319
moved and moved quickly um and uh we can uh plan our lives a little bit

1116
00:51:24,319 --> 00:51:26,319
better that we've been in limbo for

1117
00:51:26,319 --> 00:51:29,880
about the last 15 16 years um I know a

1118
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,599
lot of people have concerns about views

1119
00:51:32,599 --> 00:51:34,040
this that traffic this that and the

1120
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:35,880
other thing well we've been through all

1121
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,000
that believe me our Mount Hood view has

1122
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:40,480
been gone with the town homes that were

1123
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,319
built you know we didn't like that but

1124
00:51:43,319 --> 00:51:48,680
it happened so we um we just move on so

1125
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,720
with that again I recommend that you

1126
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:52,400
guys move this thing through as quickly

1127
00:51:52,400 --> 00:52:00,230
as possible thank you thank you

1128
00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:01,200
any

1129
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,240
electronic oh I'm

1130
00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:06,599
sorry sometimes my mind forgets so

1131
00:52:06,599 --> 00:52:08,920
that's we have both uh I don't see any

1132
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,950
hands

1133
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,359
raised all right well we will move on

1134
00:52:16,359 --> 00:52:18,400
then to public

1135
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,520
testimony that is not in favor of the

1136
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,040
proposal and I want to give it a second

1137
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,440
or two for any online ones we can start

1138
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:35,630
there if you see any raised

1139
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,880
hands I do not sure okay then we'll go

1140
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,720
to the room any public testimony that

1141
00:52:41,720 --> 00:52:47,630
are against the

1142
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:51,760
fo good evening um my name Roy Shelby my

1143
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:55,240
wife Judy and we're the one acre parcel

1144
00:52:55,240 --> 00:52:58,000
that Kelly kind of alluded to that has

1145
00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,880
all the road rideways kind of going

1146
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:02,680
through it our address is 38420

1147
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:04,520
Southeast Highway

1148
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,160
211

1149
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:07,680
and

1150
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:11,400
overall got some notes Here overall

1151
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:12,960
we're really not objecting to the

1152
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,960
development of the site um one was our

1153
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,000
concerns you know were we not in favor

1154
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,119
of a big apartment complex coming next

1155
00:53:21,119 --> 00:53:23,720
to us we'd rather see single housing

1156
00:53:23,720 --> 00:53:25,839
units or something like that but looking

1157
00:53:25,839 --> 00:53:28,040
through all the code Kell to it's very

1158
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,359
complex it takes a lot of time somebody

1159
00:53:30,359 --> 00:53:31,799
who's not really familiar with the codes

1160
00:53:31,799 --> 00:53:33,880
it's hard to pull all that information

1161
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,920
out so really we have no objections to

1162
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,240
any of the codes to the development as

1163
00:53:39,240 --> 00:53:41,160
far as Department complex goes and all

1164
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,240
that that's going on out

1165
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:48,720
there all I ask is you know Zach and I

1166
00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:50,839
in emailing back and forth KY might

1167
00:53:50,839 --> 00:53:54,240
email back and forth all I asked is z

1168
00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:56,640
Kelly or whoever be available if some

1169
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,520
concerns do come up when this does get

1170
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,040
developed and know if we're still living

1171
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,359
in that parcel that we have some people

1172
00:54:02,359 --> 00:54:04,119
to be able to talk to about how to

1173
00:54:04,119 --> 00:54:05,880
resolve issues so that's kind of where

1174
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,040
we're at and you know as you bring more

1175
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,200
people into a confined area Our concern

1176
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:12,960
is you know crime in the area whole city

1177
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,640
ordinances being violated we live next

1178
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,079
to the town homes there's lots of

1179
00:54:17,079 --> 00:54:19,640
parking violations you can go out there

1180
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:21,720
and get parking violations every day out

1181
00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:24,319
there you know so it's just those type

1182
00:54:24,319 --> 00:54:25,839
of things and those type of issues you

1183
00:54:25,839 --> 00:54:27,480
just want to are consum that we'll be

1184
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,319
able to have somebody divor to over all

1185
00:54:30,319 --> 00:54:33,119
that I guess what our main objective to

1186
00:54:33,119 --> 00:54:35,000
all this is our

1187
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:41,280
main thing that we want to allude to and look for the C commission to maybe

1188
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:45,720
do some amendment to is the Pine Street

1189
00:54:45,720 --> 00:54:48,520
Road it's going going from Cascadia

1190
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,319
Village down to Highway 21 Kelly kind of

1191
00:54:51,319 --> 00:54:53,599
modified that tonight kind of steal some

1192
00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:54,680
of my

1193
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:58,359
thunder tonight that I that's our main

1194
00:54:58,359 --> 00:55:00,720
contention is that Pine Street Road that

1195
00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:03,040
Pine Street Road is right on our

1196
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:04,440
property

1197
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,079
boundary it's within three feet of my

1198
00:55:07,079 --> 00:55:10,920
shop basically it's within 15 feet for S

1199
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:11,920
of by

1200
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,760
house and that's kind of where we would

1201
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:16,200
like to go if that Road's not going to

1202
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,240
be open why do we need to be building

1203
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:20,559
this right now why do if there's no real

1204
00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:23,039
future the future of that road really

1205
00:55:23,039 --> 00:55:24,559
depends on the development of my

1206
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:27,640
property and own and when you look at

1207
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,559
the road rways that are established on

1208
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:33,079
my property for any future

1209
00:55:33,079 --> 00:55:37,400
development over a third of my 081 acres

1210
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,240
in Road rideways who's going to want to

1211
00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:43,039
develop less than a half an acre and now

1212
00:55:43,039 --> 00:55:45,359
Kelly alluded to they time to turn Pin

1213
00:55:45,359 --> 00:55:47,960
Street down to gallway that just

1214
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,119
dissects in my property even more so why

1215
00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:53,400
do we need to put that Pin Street Road

1216
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,400
in at this time even at this time it's

1217
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:56,839
only a half Road

1218
00:55:56,839 --> 00:55:58,559
because the other half is IR marked on

1219
00:55:58,559 --> 00:56:01,119
my property right away so our property

1220
00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:02,480
right away

1221
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,960
so that's kind of what we want allude to

1222
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:06,680
you know part of the code that I was

1223
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,400
going to bring up tonight was the street

1224
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,839
requirements and and having the

1225
00:56:11,839 --> 00:56:14,799
basically traffic analysis if they're

1226
00:56:14,799 --> 00:56:17,240
bringing that out to Highway 211 I want

1227
00:56:17,240 --> 00:56:20,480
to kind of brought up that you know

1228
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,400
that's a dangerous intersection you know

1229
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,119
it's it's gets tougher and tougher for

1230
00:56:24,119 --> 00:56:25,880
us to get out of our driveways as it is

1231
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:26,760
right now

1232
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:28,400
and try to bring a street out right

1233
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,640
there I think would just you know you're

1234
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,240
setting yourself for another debarka

1235
00:56:33,240 --> 00:56:34,760
scenario basically you're GNA have

1236
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:36,280
accident after accident with the speed

1237
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,640
that comes through there and with the

1238
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,160
sight variances you don't have a lot of

1239
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,640
sight distance the cures of the road and

1240
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,480
the hills of the road and stuff so so

1241
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:46,839
that was kind of part of my thunder and

1242
00:56:46,839 --> 00:56:49,240
I was bringing out that code for Street

1243
00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:51,520
requirements and stuff but it sounds

1244
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,280
like now that's being modified and not

1245
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,480
taken out to Highway 211 so it's a

1246
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,240
little bit of my thunder away so again

1247
00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:00,880
they asked why do we need to build you

1248
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,240
know a couple hundred feet of Pine Road

1249
00:57:03,240 --> 00:57:04,559
when it has

1250
00:57:04,559 --> 00:57:07,359
no use at this time or possibly even

1251
00:57:07,359 --> 00:57:10,480
future use like I say all your marks to

1252
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:15,280
the to our development of our

1253
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,200
property one of the other things I want

1254
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,079
to bring up is developing that road

1255
00:57:20,079 --> 00:57:23,000
right away is taking out some basically

1256
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,839
five pretty good healthy looking trees

1257
00:57:25,839 --> 00:57:29,599
and a green strip up and down that right

1258
00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:32,200
away and I know the cities always want

1259
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,440
retain you know the large you know we

1260
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,880
got a couple 32 30 inch dug Furs a real

1261
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:42,000
nice silver maple bluk

1262
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,880
Spruce flowering cherry that's all being

1263
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:46,720
ear marked to be Reed you know you look

1264
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:48,640
at the plans on page

1265
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,480
three

1266
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,480
of forget which document is it's the

1267
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,680
plant overall plan document all those

1268
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,000
are being Mark to be filed and removed

1269
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,680
and we got these nice trees why do we

1270
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:03,319
need to remove these at this time you

1271
00:58:03,319 --> 00:58:05,119
know again that's kind of our objection

1272
00:58:05,119 --> 00:58:08,240
is is this road Pine Street Road if you

1273
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,280
look at all the setback

1274
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,680
requirements I couldn't build my shop in

1275
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:14,880
my house as close as what this road is

1276
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,400
going to approach on me so if I can't

1277
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,119
build there why does the city have the

1278
00:58:19,119 --> 00:58:20,760
opportunity to approach on my property

1279
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:22,920
and my dwellings that's kind of where

1280
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,240
we're at and that's kind of the Thunder

1281
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:27,440
that we wanted to kind of promote out

1282
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:31,470
today

1283
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,119
so that pretty

1284
00:58:34,119 --> 00:58:37,000
much says you know in

1285
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,520
summary that's pretty much what I've got

1286
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,319
I don't know if Kelly wants my write up

1287
00:58:41,319 --> 00:58:45,160
or to put into the record or it's it's

1288
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:46,640
up to you if you want to enter it into

1289
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,559
the record or not I mean that's fine

1290
00:58:49,559 --> 00:58:52,640
okay yeah well I got I got some pictures

1291
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,200
of the trees that are being forecast

1292
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,000
would be red body want to yeah we'll

1293
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,920
make an exhibit

1294
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:04,470
yeah thank

1295
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:10,309
you electronic hands pop up in the

1296
00:59:10,319 --> 00:59:12,400
meantime you don't have many people on

1297
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:16,760
there so oh okay gosh dang it I'm sorry

1298
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:21,079
this computer uh no

1299
00:59:21,079 --> 00:59:23,680
okay final opportunity for anybody in

1300
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:25,720
the room who's not in favor of The

1301
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:31,829
Proposal

1302
00:59:31,839 --> 00:59:34,799
okay we'll move on to neutral testimony

1303
00:59:34,799 --> 00:59:39,039
if you're neither for it or again it and

1304
00:59:39,039 --> 00:59:41,039
uh we call them I call them fence Riders

1305
00:59:41,039 --> 00:59:42,760
you just want to make a comment or you

1306
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:46,119
want to be on public Zoom tonight um

1307
00:59:46,119 --> 00:59:47,880
how's your

1308
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:51,200
opportunity everybody wants to be on

1309
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,039
Zoom like we've never done that

1310
00:59:54,039 --> 00:59:57,119
before I I I

1311
00:59:57,119 --> 00:59:59,280
my neighbors all you will if you want to

1312
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,000
speak my neighbors all got notices I

1313
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:03,799
didn't get a notice and I and I don't

1314
01:00:03,799 --> 01:00:06,039
know why I didn't get a notice I give us

1315
01:00:06,039 --> 01:00:08,079
your name and your address oh my name my

1316
01:00:08,079 --> 01:00:10,559
name is Jamie Grandy my address is 1

1317
01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:15,480
19019 Dublin M new Sandy and I found out

1318
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:19,000
about the Cascade treat through the city

1319
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,480
newsletter but I didn't get it I didn't

1320
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,160
get an official letter from anybody

1321
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,480
saying that where my neighbors all did

1322
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,799
so I don't know what happened there and

1323
01:00:28,799 --> 01:00:31,799
I just think when I come out Cascadia

1324
01:00:31,799 --> 01:00:35,079
Village last Friday night I counted 15

1325
01:00:35,079 --> 01:00:37,839
cars before I could get out to 211 so

1326
01:00:37,839 --> 01:00:40,200
what's going to happen when they put 78

1327
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,640
more units two cars per

1328
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,880
unit it's just people don't even want to

1329
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,520
come to Sandy anymore that I know

1330
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:51,440
because of the traffic and I just that's

1331
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:52,599
I don't understand what's going to

1332
01:00:52,599 --> 01:00:56,079
happen to the park with 78 units and

1333
01:00:56,079 --> 01:00:59,079
four people say per unit that's a lot

1334
01:00:59,079 --> 01:01:01,799
more people at that Park that hasn't yet

1335
01:01:01,799 --> 01:01:03,960
even been developed like the picture

1336
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:07,160
doesn't have a baseball field and um the

1337
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:09,599
house that's in the middle of that Park

1338
01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:12,440
I heard was supposed to be for Sandy a

1339
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,079
recreation department and it's Sandy ran

1340
01:01:15,079 --> 01:01:17,760
out of money is what I was told and now

1341
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:19,680
it's just a rental house in the middle

1342
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,480
of the park I just I don't understand

1343
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,480
some of the things that's going on I've

1344
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,200
never been to one of these meetings so a

1345
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,760
lot of it's way above my head but I'm

1346
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:30,119
just not very happy about this

1347
01:01:30,119 --> 01:01:32,720
development and I know people need a

1348
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:35,720
place to live but the traffic is the

1349
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:37,799
main thing the amount of people that

1350
01:01:37,799 --> 01:01:39,559
it's going to bring into that area is

1351
01:01:39,559 --> 01:01:42,480
just incredible for everybody who lives

1352
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,000
around there in that beautiful Park and

1353
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:46,559
the Highway 211 is just going to get

1354
01:01:46,559 --> 01:01:49,079
more dangerous so that's all I have to

1355
01:01:49,079 --> 01:01:57,349
say thank you

1356
01:01:57,359 --> 01:02:01,190
any last minute raised

1357
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:10,150
hands okay no we will move then to staff

1358
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:12,200
recap

1359
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:16,319
so I I agree with

1360
01:02:16,319 --> 01:02:19,319
the uh both people that spoke both Jerry

1361
01:02:19,319 --> 01:02:23,480
and Roy that bring Pine Street North out

1362
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:26,799
to Highway 211 is problematic

1363
01:02:26,799 --> 01:02:29,720
um especially with the current rate of

1364
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:34,039
speed on Highway 211 if Highway 211 was

1365
01:02:34,039 --> 01:02:37,640
reduced to probably 25 or 30 miles per

1366
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:41,440
hour and there was actual modifications

1367
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,160
to the road that actually forced people

1368
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:44,799
to go that

1369
01:02:44,799 --> 01:02:47,279
speed then I think Pine Street coming

1370
01:02:47,279 --> 01:02:49,160
out would would not be

1371
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:51,720
problematic um but do I I I do agree

1372
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:53,319
that it's very problematic with the

1373
01:02:53,319 --> 01:02:55,440
current uh not just the Post-it speed

1374
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:56,920
but the travel speed which is two

1375
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,680
different things um I think we did a

1376
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:02,400
study on highway to1 west of our Letha a

1377
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:06,119
few years back and we were getting

1378
01:03:06,119 --> 01:03:10,440
speeds in the mid 70s from some people

1379
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:13,720
um it's posted at 55 miles per hour um

1380
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:15,160
in the section that we did the speed

1381
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:16,960
study but people were traveling in the

1382
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:20,079
mid-70s not everybody but some people um

1383
01:03:20,079 --> 01:03:22,319
so I I agree I I think it would be very

1384
01:03:22,319 --> 01:03:25,319
problematic to extend Pine Street out to

1385
01:03:25,319 --> 01:03:28,150
the highway

1386
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,200
the other part of that is an interesting

1387
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:33,440
question of what's the necessity to

1388
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:35,160
extend Pine Street at all north of

1389
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:37,640
casadia Village Drive and I think that's

1390
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:39,440
something that the

1391
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,799
commission um I think it's a good thing

1392
01:03:41,799 --> 01:03:43,559
for the commission to talk about and

1393
01:03:43,559 --> 01:03:44,920
analyze

1394
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:48,359
tonight I think for me personally if you

1395
01:03:48,359 --> 01:03:51,039
decided not to extend the road at all

1396
01:03:51,039 --> 01:03:54,359
North I think we should still

1397
01:03:54,359 --> 01:03:57,400
require the right away dedication and

1398
01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:58,880
the reason why is because this is our

1399
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,000
one and only time to get that rightaway

1400
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,599
dedication the block length I'm going

1401
01:04:03,599 --> 01:04:05,319
all flip the camera so that Breezy can

1402
01:04:05,319 --> 01:04:06,839
see

1403
01:04:06,839 --> 01:04:10,400
this so the block length I'm try to draw

1404
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:12,760
this so the block

1405
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:17,000
length is one of my big potential issues

1406
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:20,559
so let's pretend this

1407
01:04:20,559 --> 01:04:23,240
is you know this is paral

1408
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:27,440
three this is paral one and two this is

1409
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:30,559
Village Boulevard and this is Cascadia

1410
01:04:30,559 --> 01:04:33,760
the problem is is that the distance from

1411
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,680
here all the way to that staircase that

1412
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:39,119
runs through off of gway street is

1413
01:04:39,119 --> 01:04:42,750
somewhere down

1414
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:44,920
here and so if you don't have a road

1415
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:47,079
going through here at the very least we

1416
01:04:47,079 --> 01:04:48,240
would want the

1417
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,599
sidewalk and Street trees and everything

1418
01:04:50,599 --> 01:04:53,359
to be constructed in here so that

1419
01:04:53,359 --> 01:04:55,119
pedestrians because there are quite a

1420
01:04:55,119 --> 01:04:59,039
few people that walk down highway to 11 um which I know is

1421
01:04:59,039 --> 01:05:00,720
dangerous but over time it'll be

1422
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:02,440
improved and I don't want to miss an

1423
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:04,480
opportunity to have the dings to be able

1424
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:07,440
to access through here from the highway

1425
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:08,880
so if you did decide to remove the

1426
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:10,319
asphalt

1427
01:05:10,319 --> 01:05:12,559
section what I would encourage the

1428
01:05:12,559 --> 01:05:14,000
commission is to still get the

1429
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,160
dedication and to still require the

1430
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:18,559
sidewalk and Street trees to go

1431
01:05:18,559 --> 01:05:22,799
up um and the curb I would require the

1432
01:05:22,799 --> 01:05:25,920
curb as well

1433
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,279
now if you don't want to require the

1434
01:05:28,279 --> 01:05:32,480
asphalt I I can see arguments both ways

1435
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,960
um so gway Street here currently just

1436
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:39,950
dead

1437
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:42,240
ends I don't really know how it was

1438
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:44,440
designed in that way like I don't

1439
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:45,400
because

1440
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:48,000
typically I don't know with the parking

1441
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,240
that's along here I don't know how a fir

1442
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:52,039
truck I guess they would just had to

1443
01:05:52,039 --> 01:05:55,039
back down yawe to get out typically in

1444
01:05:55,039 --> 01:05:56,880
the state of organ and there's a at the

1445
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:58,760
end of streets there's like a hammerhead

1446
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,079
turnaround

1447
01:06:01,079 --> 01:06:02,960
requirement something like that so a

1448
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:05,160
fire truck can turn around and a garbage

1449
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:06,720
truck and everything else however

1450
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,000
there's a house right here Mr Shelby's

1451
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:10,599
house so I understand why they didn't

1452
01:06:10,599 --> 01:06:12,920
install this but I don't really know how

1453
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:14,640
that setup got approved in the first

1454
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:18,000
place so the benefit of bringing in a

1455
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:21,760
road would be that some point maybe it's

1456
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,599
10 years maybe it's 30 years at some

1457
01:06:24,599 --> 01:06:27,400
point this road is constructed to

1458
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:29,480
connect and maybe at that point this

1459
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:32,160
only becomes a a maybe this gets choked

1460
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,920
down to a one way because when they get

1461
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:36,359
out here as I said earlier you're only

1462
01:06:36,359 --> 01:06:38,079
going to be able to go this way

1463
01:06:38,079 --> 01:06:40,119
anyways so after a certain point it

1464
01:06:40,119 --> 01:06:41,480
doesn't make sense to even have this be

1465
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:42,960
a

1466
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,520
two-way so you could have a one way the

1467
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:47,839
my only concern so this is totally up to

1468
01:06:47,839 --> 01:06:50,079
the commission of course my only concern

1469
01:06:50,079 --> 01:06:53,079
is if you don't pave this right now then

1470
01:06:53,079 --> 01:06:54,599
the trigger for doing that going to be

1471
01:06:54,599 --> 01:06:56,480
very difficult in the future with Cent

1472
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:58,440
current organ state

1473
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:00,720
law so the city would either be on the

1474
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:03,319
hook for doing that or potentially if

1475
01:07:03,319 --> 01:07:05,480
this property was to be redeveloped Mr

1476
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:07,520
Shelby's property you might be able to

1477
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:09,400
make a justification of an off-site

1478
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,720
improvement and we' have them asphalted

1479
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:14,520
in but I'm just not sure if that would

1480
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:16,760
stand or not we can't require that money

1481
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:18,319
be set aside for

1482
01:07:18,319 --> 01:07:21,920
it you could do that as well like aanl

1483
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:25,880
we have done that um

1484
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:28,079
it's it's been very Hit or Miss whether

1485
01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:29,680
it's worked or not because typically

1486
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:33,240
what ends up happening is you collect it

1487
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:35,200
say in

1488
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:39,359
$223 and then it gets built in 2040 and

1489
01:07:39,359 --> 01:07:40,880
the cost of the asphalt section is

1490
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:42,640
probably four times the amount or three

1491
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:44,599
times the amount or whatever it

1492
01:07:44,599 --> 01:07:47,720
is um but that that's why I think at the

1493
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:51,279
very least you require the curb I mean

1494
01:07:51,279 --> 01:07:53,960
I'm sorry the sidewalk the street trees

1495
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:56,480
and the curb right now

1496
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:58,599
is the curb the curb's going to be as

1497
01:07:58,599 --> 01:08:00,720
much or more money than that asold in

1498
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:02,440
there right so at least you're kind of

1499
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:04,520
setting it up that in the future if we

1500
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:06,480
do decide to bring a road up you have

1501
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:08,279
all that taken care of and then either

1502
01:08:08,279 --> 01:08:09,760
the city will be on the hook for that

1503
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:12,000
little amount of asphalt which is a ton

1504
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:13,799
it's not going to be a ton and if you

1505
01:08:13,799 --> 01:08:15,480
did collect a fee and L we would at

1506
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:18,159
least the developer pay a portion of it

1507
01:08:18,159 --> 01:08:20,600
right so it's not like the city would be

1508
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:21,560
all the way

1509
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:25,239
out um I I do give Mr Shelby's points

1510
01:08:25,239 --> 01:08:27,880
you know know it is kind of a weird

1511
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:30,199
thing I would agree it's just this is

1512
01:08:30,199 --> 01:08:33,839
our only time to legally collect the

1513
01:08:33,839 --> 01:08:35,920
improvements and that's why we do it

1514
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:37,759
that's why in a lot of jurisdiction just

1515
01:08:37,759 --> 01:08:39,520
so the public knows there's all these

1516
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:41,319
sidewalks to nowhere and I agree it

1517
01:08:41,319 --> 01:08:43,480
looks absurd right but if you don't

1518
01:08:43,480 --> 01:08:45,239
require it at time of development then

1519
01:08:45,239 --> 01:08:47,839
who's going to pay for the sidewalk the

1520
01:08:47,839 --> 01:08:51,600
taxpayers so or gas tax or any other tax

1521
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:53,480
mechanism but it's you and I paying for

1522
01:08:53,480 --> 01:08:54,799
it instead of the development that's

1523
01:08:54,799 --> 01:08:56,799
going in and that's why there's random

1524
01:08:56,799 --> 01:08:58,400
sidewalks everywhere in different towns

1525
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:00,640
all over the state of Oregon because

1526
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:02,080
that's the one and only time you really

1527
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:05,120
have to have the developer install

1528
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:08,560
it um I only had a few other things here

1529
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,679
the code compliance issues um as I said

1530
01:09:11,679 --> 01:09:12,799
earlier tonight we are going to be

1531
01:09:12,799 --> 01:09:14,040
getting a second code enforcement

1532
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:17,239
officer and one house under myself so

1533
01:09:17,239 --> 01:09:19,040
hopefully it probably won't alleviate

1534
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:21,880
all the code concerns but hopefully it

1535
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:24,520
helps um TR retention I would you know I

1536
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:26,199
would agree that if you decide to just

1537
01:09:26,199 --> 01:09:28,040
have a fee and L paid for that asphalt

1538
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:30,839
it will some trees can be saved for now

1539
01:09:30,839 --> 01:09:32,319
and maybe if the road never goes through

1540
01:09:32,319 --> 01:09:33,719
they'll be saved then

1541
01:09:33,719 --> 01:09:38,960
too the notice I don't know why uh there

1542
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:40,880
wasn't a notice then you know the notice

1543
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:43,159
the labels are from a title

1544
01:09:43,159 --> 01:09:45,199
company and they just come to us we

1545
01:09:45,199 --> 01:09:48,719
don't create the notice list so I I

1546
01:09:48,719 --> 01:09:50,600
don't know what the problem is there you

1547
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:52,319
might want to contact the County tax

1548
01:09:52,319 --> 01:09:54,679
assessor because the County tax assessor

1549
01:09:54,679 --> 01:09:56,080
is where the

1550
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:58,880
uh title company gets their labels from

1551
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:00,320
so you might you might want to just call

1552
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:02,880
over there and then the one the last

1553
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:04,440
thing I will point out is that if this

1554
01:10:04,440 --> 01:10:05,880
development is to go

1555
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:08,239
through um I would agree bornstead

1556
01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:10,040
Park's never been built to its full

1557
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:12,320
vision the one nice thing about if this

1558
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:14,040
development does go through is we would

1559
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:16,199
collect F around a half million dollars

1560
01:10:16,199 --> 01:10:17,360
in Parks

1561
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:19,760
sdc's which my hope would be that at

1562
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:21,880
least some of those would be put towards

1563
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:26,000
additional upgrades to that Park so

1564
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:31,830
and I I think that's all I

1565
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:35,760
had all right thank you now we'll give

1566
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:38,679
the uh applicant opportunity for any

1567
01:10:38,679 --> 01:10:41,000
rebuttal that

1568
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:44,840
um you may have response to any of the

1569
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:55,590
testimony

1570
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:57,080
they're all

1571
01:10:57,080 --> 01:11:01,030
um I don't see anybody's

1572
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:04,480
camera okay Megan you can go ahead and

1573
01:11:04,480 --> 01:11:06,800
speak if you would like you want to turn

1574
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:09,239
your camera on there there you go I

1575
01:11:09,239 --> 01:11:11,360
don't have any Ruttle unless the client

1576
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:16,950
would like to add anything at this

1577
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:20,440
time no I think I'm I'm good um I guess

1578
01:11:20,440 --> 01:11:24,040
I would just Echo um what Kelly

1579
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:25,679
mentioned

1580
01:11:25,679 --> 01:11:28,719
uh that there's Parks uh fees to be

1581
01:11:28,719 --> 01:11:31,600
collected as well as um you know the the

1582
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:34,040
obvious benefits of uh kind of cleaning

1583
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:36,640
up some of the roadway improvements

1584
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:40,040
around um Cascadia Village Drive and and

1585
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:42,120
bornstead park making those more

1586
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:44,840
accessible for um fire trucks or

1587
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:46,960
emergency vehicles or just general use

1588
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:49,600
by the public so um appreciate

1589
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:52,040
everybody's comments um definitely

1590
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:56,320
taking notes on the feedback thank you

1591
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:59,030
okay thank

1592
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:01,920
you all right

1593
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:05,679
um we will if it's okay we keep the

1594
01:12:05,679 --> 01:12:08,320
public hearing open in case we have any

1595
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:11,719
questions of Zach but for the public

1596
01:12:11,719 --> 01:12:14,400
either online or in the room here the

1597
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:16,960
opportunity for public testimony is now

1598
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:20,360
uh closed and uh we will go into our

1599
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:24,159
discussion and just for your own

1600
01:12:24,159 --> 01:12:26,400
information we could technically close

1601
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:29,000
the public hearing but if in the course

1602
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:31,280
of our discussion we had one simple

1603
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:33,480
question to the

1604
01:12:33,480 --> 01:12:37,600
developer um or the applicant such as

1605
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:39,440
what's the color going to be of such and

1606
01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:41,679
such a building we have to reopen the

1607
01:12:41,679 --> 01:12:44,280
public hearing ask the question get the

1608
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:47,120
response of blue and then make a motion

1609
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:50,600
and close the public hearing so um our

1610
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:52,639
practice has been for years to keep it

1611
01:12:52,639 --> 01:12:55,840
open just so we can talk to the

1612
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:58,280
applicant uh ourselves if the need

1613
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:01,080
arises and somebody just needs to remind

1614
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:02,800
me to make sure we remember to

1615
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:05,120
eventually at some point close public

1616
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:07,400
hearing

1617
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:10,040
so questions

1618
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:13,880
comments um any any slides that you want

1619
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:15,719
to see back

1620
01:13:15,719 --> 01:13:19,600
up yes I have a question for Kelly um

1621
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:21,800
given the impact on the neighborhood is

1622
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:27,400
there any way to require that those Park

1623
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:29,960
funds substantial portion of them at

1624
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:32,000
least be dedicated to the park in the

1625
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:37,669
same

1626
01:13:37,679 --> 01:13:41,320
area I don't think so that's a really

1627
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:43,840
good question so

1628
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:48,480
the parks fees are calculated by an SDC

1629
01:13:48,480 --> 01:13:51,800
methodology that's put together some

1630
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:55,639
cities have decided to make

1631
01:13:55,639 --> 01:13:57,840
certain like so there'd be a map in

1632
01:13:57,840 --> 01:13:59,600
different areas of the Town depending on

1633
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:02,639
where the fee or tax is collected from

1634
01:14:02,639 --> 01:14:04,320
it would be used on parks in that area

1635
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:08,159
of town our Parks methodology associated

1636
01:14:08,159 --> 01:14:09,520
with the parks master plan doesn't get

1637
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,040
that specific so they can be used

1638
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:15,800
anywhere in town so I don't think in the

1639
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:17,880
final decision we could probably put it

1640
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:20,440
in there but I I think the Planning

1641
01:14:20,440 --> 01:14:23,320
Commission could let the city council

1642
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:25,560
know that they would like

1643
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:27,920
a decent percent or a certain percentage

1644
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:30,920
to potentially be used at that park I

1645
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:33,719
think that would be fine but I think

1646
01:14:33,719 --> 01:14:36,520
tying it in the decision I don't I don't

1647
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:38,960
know if our City attorney has any

1648
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:41,679
concerns about that I just I do that's

1649
01:14:41,679 --> 01:14:43,080
the first I've heard of that question

1650
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:44,400
it's a good one I just don't know if I

1651
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:46,239
have an answer Josh do you want to

1652
01:14:46,239 --> 01:14:48,830
comment on

1653
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:51,920
that hey Kelly I I signal dropped for a

1654
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:53,080
second there can you repeat what the

1655
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:55,199
question was

1656
01:14:55,199 --> 01:14:59,560
it was can we condition that the parks

1657
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:02,040
sdc's that are collected with this

1658
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:04,480
development can we condition that a

1659
01:15:04,480 --> 01:15:06,400
portion of them

1660
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:09,920
or most of them somewhere in there go

1661
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:12,719
towards furthering development of warud

1662
01:15:12,719 --> 01:15:15,199
Park which is adjacent to this

1663
01:15:15,199 --> 01:15:17,960
property right so that would be outside

1664
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:21,520
the scope of this decision um how those

1665
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:23,679
SDC funds are spent as a city council

1666
01:15:23,679 --> 01:15:27,030
decision

1667
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:29,120
part of their budgetary Authority so it

1668
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:31,000
could be outside this decision but as I

1669
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:32,120
said the Planning Commission could

1670
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:34,440
certainly talk to the council about that

1671
01:15:34,440 --> 01:15:35,880
right or or make a separate

1672
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:38,120
recommendation or something like that

1673
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:40,360
absolutely but not part of this

1674
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:43,040
decision and there is a counselor CH how

1675
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:44,360
would we make that separate

1676
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:46,320
recommendation would it just being in

1677
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:48,360
the record of tonight's

1678
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:50,880
meeting as a recommendation to the city

1679
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:52,920
council be

1680
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:56,000
considered you could do that um you

1681
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,320
could pass a motion separately making

1682
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:00,040
that recommendation formally or you

1683
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:02,000
could just ask your city council

1684
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:04,880
representative to carry that message

1685
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:07,000
forward to the city

1686
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:11,790
council you have one in the

1687
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:14,400
room for what it's worth in the Parks

1688
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:17,159
Trails Advisory Board letter they did

1689
01:16:17,159 --> 01:16:20,040
also support the exploration of uh

1690
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:27,070
adding to phase two right

1691
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:29,600
one one comment that occurred to me when

1692
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:33,719
Kelly was doing um and this is for more

1693
01:16:33,719 --> 01:16:36,120
of the public than ourselves uh but

1694
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:38,440
doing the little uh diagram and thank

1695
01:16:38,440 --> 01:16:41,560
you so much for that Kelly of Pine

1696
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:43,320
Street and

1697
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:46,040
saying this is our opportunity to put

1698
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:49,760
the sidewalk and the curb

1699
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:53,760
in some might say well why not leave it

1700
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:55,800
off and when the dev Vel oper comes to

1701
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:59,280
do that little thing make them do it but

1702
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:02,280
correct me if I'm wrong that's not their

1703
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:05,920
property so it would be more difficult

1704
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:09,320
for us although it can to make the ones

1705
01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:13,600
that do the the extension of gallway to

1706
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,719
do the whole thing legally that that's

1707
01:17:16,719 --> 01:17:19,679
correct I mean any any improvements that

1708
01:17:19,679 --> 01:17:23,320
we don't require at this time as uh

1709
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:24,600
commissioner Wagner said we could do a

1710
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:27,120
feel move but any improvements you don't

1711
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:29,719
do then we in in the future would have

1712
01:17:29,719 --> 01:17:31,520
to through a what's called a

1713
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:34,639
proportionality test show that these

1714
01:17:34,639 --> 01:17:36,920
improvements are proportional to this

1715
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:38,760
development now my one thing I would

1716
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:40,159
caution with that is this development

1717
01:17:40,159 --> 01:17:42,520
site as Mr Shelby pointed out is rather

1718
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:44,960
small so I think it would be hard to say

1719
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:48,120
too much too many offset improvements I

1720
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:49,440
don't think you could put too many on

1721
01:17:49,440 --> 01:17:52,760
this site to be honest so I think it's

1722
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:55,080
uh you could certainly do that I think

1723
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:58,239
it's just a it's just a risk right uh

1724
01:17:58,239 --> 01:18:00,719
that the city might end up paying more

1725
01:18:00,719 --> 01:18:03,250
out of pocket to complete the

1726
01:18:03,250 --> 01:18:07,229
[Music]

1727
01:18:07,239 --> 01:18:10,159
improvements any um there's three or

1728
01:18:10,159 --> 01:18:11,120
four

1729
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:13,520
variances we are need

1730
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:17,239
to um consider

1731
01:18:17,239 --> 01:18:20,480
tonight any questions concerns on any of

1732
01:18:20,480 --> 01:18:23,350
those from

1733
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:28,239
anybody you understand what they are

1734
01:18:28,239 --> 01:18:32,600
about and um any any concerns or

1735
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:35,159
questions with the staff report that

1736
01:18:35,159 --> 01:18:39,960
gave the uh rationale for the

1737
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:42,679
recommendation I don't have but the VAR

1738
01:18:42,679 --> 01:18:45,480
I did have a separate question okay far

1739
01:18:45,480 --> 01:18:48,560
away um my question is for Kelly it

1740
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:52,480
involves uh the recreation kind of space

1741
01:18:52,480 --> 01:18:55,080
and um

1742
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:56,400
I mean it's not so much I guess a

1743
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:57,880
concern with this particular property

1744
01:18:57,880 --> 01:18:59,199
but maybe others that have the same

1745
01:18:59,199 --> 01:19:04,280
thing is how uh it can be kind of bummed

1746
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:06,760
onto a separate zone for instance this

1747
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:08,159
one it carries over into that kind of

1748
01:19:08,159 --> 01:19:10,960
little bit of R1 Zone um as she

1749
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:12,880
mentioned at the beginning kind of the

1750
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:15,679
idea behind the commercial density

1751
01:19:15,679 --> 01:19:17,360
requirements was that you know you'd

1752
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:19,159
have these Recreation spaces these

1753
01:19:19,159 --> 01:19:20,920
setbacks that were required but then if

1754
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:22,920
you can just kind of bump that to

1755
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:24,480
another property you know to another

1756
01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:25,920
Zone

1757
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:27,760
um how does that kind of work because

1758
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:29,600
you're no longer controlling the density

1759
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:32,840
then I think the codee's silent on it be

1760
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:35,760
honest um as you probably noticed in the

1761
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:38,159
staff report one of the code Provisions

1762
01:19:38,159 --> 01:19:42,440
is to legally tie parcel two and parcel

1763
01:19:42,440 --> 01:19:45,960
three together through a covenant and

1764
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:48,880
the two main reasons are so that the

1765
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:51,080
parking and access that's all kind of

1766
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:52,600
shared amongst all these buildings and

1767
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:55,760
then the the recreation right is

1768
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:59,120
what I mean it's a good question um I

1769
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:00,440
don't know if I dove into a deep

1770
01:20:00,440 --> 01:20:01,960
analysis of that but I do believe the

1771
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:03,760
code silent on it you know because I'm

1772
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:05,040
just thinking down the line you have a

1773
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:07,360
property that's you know half C3 and

1774
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:10,280
half R1 you just will load C3 up with

1775
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:12,719
whatever you want and then you know

1776
01:20:12,719 --> 01:20:15,440
you're GNA go yeah no I get your point I

1777
01:20:15,440 --> 01:20:16,800
think I think that's one of the reasons

1778
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:18,159
why we need to have a density standard

1779
01:20:18,159 --> 01:20:21,239
in C3 I would say on this one if they

1780
01:20:21,239 --> 01:20:23,840
did lose or if they did add more

1781
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:28,800
Recreation are area to paral 2 and

1782
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:30,920
potentially they lost a few

1783
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:33,840
units uh they could add more units to

1784
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:37,440
parcel 3 down below sure I me there's

1785
01:20:37,440 --> 01:20:39,440
lots of extra room on parel corre kind

1786
01:20:39,440 --> 01:20:40,800
of move it around and it makes sense so

1787
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:42,679
I'm not like really arguing it with this

1788
01:20:42,679 --> 01:20:44,040
one I was just to kind of Crea a

1789
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:45,880
curiosity for me no I totally get it and

1790
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:47,199
I think it's a great question I think

1791
01:20:47,199 --> 01:20:48,480
it's something we need to dive deeper

1792
01:20:48,480 --> 01:20:52,199
into in the code um I do think in this

1793
01:20:52,199 --> 01:20:55,040
circumstance it you know having a little

1794
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:57,000
bit less density on the property to the

1795
01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:59,639
south of Cascadia Village Drive I

1796
01:20:59,639 --> 01:21:02,000
think for the most part's probably a

1797
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:04,520
good thing um just having a little bit

1798
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:07,639
lower along the park there

1799
01:21:07,639 --> 01:21:09,920
yeah thank you but yeah it's a it's a

1800
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:11,159
great question I think it's something we

1801
01:21:11,159 --> 01:21:16,070
need to look into

1802
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:20,000
more okay any any what are thoughts on

1803
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:23,840
what to do with uh Pine Street as as it

1804
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:26,709
stands

1805
01:21:26,719 --> 01:21:29,960
um what are the conditions for that area

1806
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:32,679
Kelly I don't have a mem the the drawing

1807
01:21:32,679 --> 01:21:34,639
that you gave with the city Engineers

1808
01:21:34,639 --> 01:21:39,719
comments in the red markings is that

1809
01:21:39,719 --> 01:21:42,840
um has that been transferred into the

1810
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:45,600
conditions the what I showed on the

1811
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:48,000
PowerPoint yes yes that's what it that's

1812
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:50,040
how it's written up in the findings and

1813
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:51,920
conditions okay so what I what I

1814
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:54,960
recommended in the in the in the

1815
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:56,920
findings and conditions is that this

1816
01:21:56,920 --> 01:21:59,159
section of Pine Street that ties into

1817
01:21:59,159 --> 01:22:01,320
211 that that's all

1818
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:04,000
removed and that they just had this

1819
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:06,960
section of asphalt for now and then

1820
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:10,360
these improvements continue up and then

1821
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:12,159
you know Pine Street was shown as

1822
01:22:12,159 --> 01:22:14,520
opening up to the highway so with

1823
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:16,800
removal of that I was recommending that

1824
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:18,320
these you know the sidewalk and Street

1825
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:20,000
tree improvements on the highway

1826
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:21,340
continue

1827
01:22:21,340 --> 01:22:23,520
[Music]

1828
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:27,320
across and that's the way it is in the in the

1829
01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:29,199
recommended staff report now if you were

1830
01:22:29,199 --> 01:22:32,320
to remove this or change this into fan l

1831
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:34,440
or something obviously that would have

1832
01:22:34,440 --> 01:22:36,360
to be changed and that's just speaking

1833
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:38,520
primarily to the

1834
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:41,840
S I mean you could do it to the curb as

1835
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:44,560
well I but then that would cancel the

1836
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:47,600
curb all the way up probably yeah and

1837
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:49,120
that's going to be as expensive or more

1838
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:52,920
than the asold um I I think if we didn't

1839
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:55,760
require the sidewalk from Gia Village to

1840
01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:56,639
highway

1841
01:22:56,639 --> 01:22:58,960
to1 I think technically we'd be looking

1842
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:01,159
at another variance

1843
01:23:01,159 --> 01:23:04,679
because you know from here to these

1844
01:23:04,679 --> 01:23:06,920
staircases we wouldn't have a pedestrian

1845
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:08,520
amenities for that whole

1846
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:11,520
section um so I I definitely would

1847
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:12,960
recommend putting in the stairs in the

1848
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:14,560
trees through there I mean the the

1849
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:16,960
sidewalk in the trees and then the curb

1850
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:19,120
and asphalt that could be done through a

1851
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:22,600
f l or one or the

1852
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:25,520
other I would be if favor of going all

1853
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:29,040
the way to the curb and

1854
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:34,480
the the curb and sidewalk curb sidewalk

1855
01:23:34,480 --> 01:23:37,719
trees the only way into it just a minute

1856
01:23:37,719 --> 01:23:40,760
ma'am ma'am we're we're close to public

1857
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:43,520
comment from out there sorry sorry I

1858
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:45,080
didn't make that

1859
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:47,760
clear um

1860
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:50,840
okay and I I would agree with that as

1861
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:54,719
well and also continuing the sidewalk to

1862
01:23:54,719 --> 01:23:58,920
11 across right and that's in the the

1863
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:00,520
conditions that's currently in your

1864
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:02,480
conditions

1865
01:24:02,480 --> 01:24:05,280
yes changing this to I would have to

1866
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:08,800
modify those that's the only the only

1867
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:10,719
change to the condition would be the Fe

1868
01:24:10,719 --> 01:24:13,239
and mo because you have in the

1869
01:24:13,239 --> 01:24:15,320
conditions a sidewalk and the

1870
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:18,000
curve going all the

1871
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:21,520
way I have in the conditions yes that

1872
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:24,560
the curb goes all the way to Highway to1

1873
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:26,440
with oh wait I don't think that is in

1874
01:24:26,440 --> 01:24:28,639
there so you would be modifying as well

1875
01:24:28,639 --> 01:24:32,480
okay well that so just just to specify

1876
01:24:32,480 --> 01:24:34,600
the

1877
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:37,480
curb this is the curb would only really

1878
01:24:37,480 --> 01:24:41,199
need to go to essentially the north side

1879
01:24:41,199 --> 01:24:44,000
of that street coming in so this is

1880
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:45,520
where gets this is where it gets very

1881
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:47,760
complicated right

1882
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:50,719
because curve yeah like commissioner

1883
01:24:50,719 --> 01:24:52,239
Wagner just said the curve only needs to

1884
01:24:52,239 --> 01:24:54,520
be here right

1885
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:57,400
yeah but do we really want to put the

1886
01:24:57,400 --> 01:24:59,760
curve on the curve it's just going to be

1887
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:01,880
floating out there and no I

1888
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:03,920
think do you not want to put the curve

1889
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:05,159
you know I don't know like where do you

1890
01:25:05,159 --> 01:25:08,280
stop it you just go like up to there

1891
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:11,400
because you don't need a curb above that

1892
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:14,159
well how about I would be in favor of

1893
01:25:14,159 --> 01:25:17,280
the curb all the way up to the sidewalk

1894
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:20,040
with the idea being that it could not

1895
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:22,199
develop for 20 years right and by that

1896
01:25:22,199 --> 01:25:24,840
time 211 could have been approved point

1897
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:27,320
where it can still potentially connect

1898
01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:30,159
right so you'd be doing curb up to here

1899
01:25:30,159 --> 01:25:35,199
yeah I mean and then no asphalt no

1900
01:25:35,199 --> 01:25:38,360
asphalt not knowing what the future of

1901
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:39,920
21 looks like not knowing what the

1902
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:42,600
future of that tree looks

1903
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:46,119
like curb and sidewalk and trees yeah

1904
01:25:46,119 --> 01:25:46,840
and

1905
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:49,040
trees I mean the one nice thing about

1906
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:51,040
that feature is this area that's the

1907
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:53,159
trees and the lands it would be kind of

1908
01:25:53,159 --> 01:25:57,229
it be contained more

1909
01:25:57,239 --> 01:25:59,520
mhm yeah that was that's what I was

1910
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:00,800
thinking because eventually there would

1911
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:04,480
be a park strip so the

1912
01:26:04,480 --> 01:26:08,239
sidewalk if if if a road went through oh

1913
01:26:08,239 --> 01:26:10,400
there would be a park

1914
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:12,159
strip I

1915
01:26:12,159 --> 01:26:14,880
mean I think this is kind of the best

1916
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:16,400
from like a planning perspective this is

1917
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:17,639
giving you the most

1918
01:26:17,639 --> 01:26:20,400
flexibility you're sending the curve up

1919
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:22,280
and then this might get put in someday

1920
01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:23,520
or maybe it will go all the way through

1921
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:26,080
or maybe never none of it will

1922
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:27,960
happen either way at least we have

1923
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:31,080
pedestrian access and for

1924
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:33,760
whatever yeah so it would be curb park

1925
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:35,520
strip with trees

1926
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:38,440
sidewalk going east and

1927
01:26:38,440 --> 01:26:40,159
west and

1928
01:26:40,159 --> 01:26:43,800
then payment in Li of to do the black

1929
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:46,080
top portion when that road

1930
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:48,880
comes for the section for the curve

1931
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:54,679
probably yeah right and it would just um

1932
01:26:54,679 --> 01:26:58,750
it would just be a matter

1933
01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:01,639
of yeah there would be on the North side

1934
01:27:01,639 --> 01:27:03,119
there would be a funny thing where

1935
01:27:03,119 --> 01:27:06,760
you've got a curve going straight up to

1936
01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:10,750
separate off the park strip

1937
01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:13,520
right or hit the sidewalk does it hit

1938
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:15,560
the sidewalk right yeah it would just go

1939
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:18,790
up to the back of sidewalk on

1940
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:21,840
21 oh there would be no curb with the

1941
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:25,040
park strip or no so a yeah the

1942
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:28,629
crosssection would be

1943
01:27:28,639 --> 01:27:32,830
a be a 5 foot side

1944
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:36,119
walk so it would be five

1945
01:27:36,119 --> 01:27:40,629
feet and then you'd have Street

1946
01:27:40,639 --> 01:27:43,679
trees and then you'd have a

1947
01:27:43,679 --> 01:27:46,000
curb and then this area in the RightWay

1948
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:48,199
would just be undeveloped for now right

1949
01:27:48,199 --> 01:27:52,390
and then along highway to

1950
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:55,760
11 and this walk it would just go like

1951
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:57,760
that and so this sidewalk would go to

1952
01:27:57,760 --> 01:27:59,719
that sidewalk but this curb would just

1953
01:27:59,719 --> 01:28:01,280
dead into the it would just terminate

1954
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:02,560
into the back of

1955
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:04,520
sidewalk yeah should be a little odd

1956
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:07,360
looking but it wouldn't be I don't right

1957
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:08,520
I don't think it's that big of a deal

1958
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:10,679
person it contains the sidewalk it makes

1959
01:28:10,679 --> 01:28:13,159
it pretty with trees and all

1960
01:28:13,159 --> 01:28:15,280
and makes

1961
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:17,080
sense I mean I think it makes

1962
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:18,600
maintenance a lot easier because like

1963
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:20,040
say this is bar chipped and everything

1964
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:22,760
it just something just kind of go out I

1965
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:24,639
don't know it just gives it delineates

1966
01:28:24,639 --> 01:28:27,880
the space for it right I

1967
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:30,719
agree keeps the erosion down and off for

1968
01:28:30,719 --> 01:28:32,040
the

1969
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:34,920
trees is that what we're thinking we got

1970
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:37,400
it understood because Kelly's gonna have

1971
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:43,590
to put in writing well that's why I

1972
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:54,229
was so the fee and L of is to cover the um asphalt and

1973
01:28:54,239 --> 01:28:55,880
any changing to the curve because

1974
01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:57,400
there'd be some curving on that

1975
01:28:57,400 --> 01:29:01,239
curvature on their

1976
01:29:01,239 --> 01:29:03,360
property I think we probably have to

1977
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:07,560
just eat it I agree yeah I don't know

1978
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:09,520
how I would even but I think that's

1979
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:10,520
worth the

1980
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:13,119
flexibility yep I

1981
01:29:13,119 --> 01:29:18,270
agree

1982
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:20,800
okay before I forget somebody close the

1983
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:24,320
public motion we close public second

1984
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:26,199
been moved in second and Clos public

1985
01:29:26,199 --> 01:29:27,239
hearing at

1986
01:29:27,239 --> 01:29:32,679
7:59 all in favor say hi hi hi hi hi I I

1987
01:29:32,679 --> 01:29:35,960
see that eye czy

1988
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:39,320
um okay any

1989
01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:42,840
other Jam I just have a minor one that I

1990
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:45,360
had mentioned to Kelly and that's on um

1991
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:48,960
number 59 it talks about uh proofing

1992
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:51,440
could include or should include wood

1993
01:29:51,440 --> 01:29:54,440
shingle as well as composition and other

1994
01:29:54,440 --> 01:29:56,760
things and given our

1995
01:29:56,760 --> 01:30:00,520
Wildfire discussion and Hazard policy

1996
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:03,600
for the city um I think that we probably

1997
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:08,480
should remove the um wood shingle

1998
01:30:08,480 --> 01:30:11,440
groving maybe not only from here but

1999
01:30:11,440 --> 01:30:13,880
discuss in the future about removing it

2000
01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:17,560
from the entire ordinance was that on on

2001
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:22,000
page 59 no it's number 59 and it's on

2002
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:25,550
page 21

2003
01:30:25,560 --> 01:30:27,480
I went looking for it and I couldn't

2004
01:30:27,480 --> 01:30:31,760
find it in the conditions so it's not oh

2005
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:35,119
okay there we are that's where we saw

2006
01:30:35,119 --> 01:30:39,550
that's just a a minor piece compared to

2007
01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:43,800
the yeah and so commissioner Lee um it

2008
01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:46,639
was it was removed

2009
01:30:46,639 --> 01:30:51,040
from the I2 and I3 zones by the city

2010
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:52,760
council passing that ordinance for the

2011
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:55,000
modifications to that but it is still

2012
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:56,760
technically allowed in a few of our

2013
01:30:56,760 --> 01:30:59,880
other zones but yeah if you changed it

2014
01:30:59,880 --> 01:31:01,440
you could even change the condition to

2015
01:31:01,440 --> 01:31:03,719
explicitly say no shingle no wood

2016
01:31:03,719 --> 01:31:05,760
shingle

2017
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:08,040
permitted um and I do agree I think

2018
01:31:08,040 --> 01:31:09,800
working on the Oregon wildfire task

2019
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:11,320
force I don't even think you're gonna be

2020
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:12,880
able to do wood chingles in Oregon

2021
01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:14,360
pretty

2022
01:31:14,360 --> 01:31:16,960
soon so really all

2023
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:19,520
that you have inold the applicant shall

2024
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:21,639
revise the elevations to detail the

2025
01:31:21,639 --> 01:31:25,199
shingles as architectural gr

2026
01:31:25,199 --> 01:31:27,679
sh so we

2027
01:31:27,679 --> 01:31:30,159
just you're saying we need to add

2028
01:31:30,159 --> 01:31:32,320
something that says that it can't

2029
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:34,880
be uh

2030
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:37,159
wood because the first statement just

2031
01:31:37,159 --> 01:31:39,719
says that it requires them to be wood or

2032
01:31:39,719 --> 01:31:42,199
architectural which is one of the the

2033
01:31:42,199 --> 01:31:47,550
conditions that already

2034
01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:49,520
Crossing I think you could add some I

2035
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:50,960
could add some additional Clarity to it

2036
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:52,199
though well you can't remove the wood

2037
01:31:52,199 --> 01:31:56,040
shingles from the first part because that's just that's just saying

2038
01:31:56,040 --> 01:31:57,760
what the code says right right and the

2039
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:02,159
developer has offered an alternative and we're just saying now they have to

2040
01:32:02,159 --> 01:32:06,960
be architectural not three right but if

2041
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:09,080
you want to add something he could add

2042
01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:11,360
something that just says and oh by the

2043
01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:13,800
way they can't be

2044
01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:17,560
wood but that's not what they're

2045
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:30,350
proposing it's just more of a future yes definitely

2046
01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:35,709
okay what are we forgetting

2047
01:32:35,719 --> 01:32:41,550
Kelly got the I mean anything that

2048
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:44,119
you I mean I don't know it's 66 pages

2049
01:32:44,119 --> 01:32:45,880
long I you know if you saw anything else

2050
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:49,760
that I was 68 oh was 68 oh because the

2051
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:52,080
two yeah it is

2052
01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:55,760
68 you know to to be honest I without

2053
01:32:55,760 --> 01:32:57,639
having any other planners on staff right

2054
01:32:57,639 --> 01:32:58,600
now

2055
01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:02,320
it's uh Emily was gracious enough to

2056
01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:04,040
take a look at it for me just for edits

2057
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:06,600
and she did catch a few errors that I

2058
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:08,960
had in there

2059
01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:13,199
um so I don't think there's any in there

2060
01:33:13,199 --> 01:33:15,400
but I'll look through it again when it

2061
01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:16,760
before we do the final order and before

2062
01:33:16,760 --> 01:33:18,800
you sign it I've just got a couple Tyles

2063
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:20,600
I'll give you

2064
01:33:20,600 --> 01:33:22,320
afterwards okay I mean if you want to

2065
01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:24,560
give them to me now just I can get them

2066
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:27,400
in there for you okay I mean these are

2067
01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:30,360
just from appr Creator on page

2068
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:32,400
16 number

2069
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:49,950
29 finding

2070
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:57,709
29 okay

2071
01:33:57,719 --> 01:33:59,119
it's different than the one I have

2072
01:33:59,119 --> 01:34:03,639
written in section page 16 no I'm on 13

2073
01:34:03,639 --> 01:34:09,910
come on Jerry get to

2074
01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:12,990
16

2075
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:16,239
um section 17

2076
01:34:16,239 --> 01:34:19,199
5450 where am I

2077
01:34:19,199 --> 01:34:21,840
going

2078
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:25,639
5450 is it where it says carriers yes

2079
01:34:25,639 --> 01:34:28,920
okay got it you got that one

2080
01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:31,239
yes and

2081
01:34:31,239 --> 01:34:32,760
um

2082
01:34:32,760 --> 01:34:37,229
then I had on page

2083
01:34:37,239 --> 01:34:40,280
33 I know what it was what it is is the

2084
01:34:40,280 --> 01:34:41,920
pages in the document are not

2085
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:46,400
necessarily the pages on the

2086
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:48,199
uh up

2087
01:34:48,199 --> 01:34:53,750
here 3311

2088
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:56,870
kind of in

2089
01:34:56,880 --> 01:35:00,960
the fourth line from the bottom oh no

2090
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:03,719
that's just how I copied

2091
01:35:03,719 --> 01:35:06,639
it says it says but turning movements do

2092
01:35:06,639 --> 01:35:11,070
not met the minimum valume

2093
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:14,639
okay yeah it's right

2094
01:35:14,639 --> 01:35:17,239
there about five six lines above the

2095
01:35:17,239 --> 01:35:20,270
letter

2096
01:35:20,280 --> 01:35:22,719
A I mean anybody reading it would have

2097
01:35:22,719 --> 01:35:25,920
understood what was being

2098
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:29,080
said okay I don't know that we need to

2099
01:35:29,080 --> 01:35:31,840
labor it any further sorry one last

2100
01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:36,440
question sure um are all planned uh

2101
01:35:36,440 --> 01:35:39,960
retention trees and uh medication trees

2102
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:49,109
planned for uh Parcels two and

2103
01:35:49,119 --> 01:35:51,560
three basically I'm asking if they put

2104
01:35:51,560 --> 01:35:54,239
them on one and they sold off

2105
01:35:54,239 --> 01:35:56,679
are they eventually going to get toward

2106
01:35:56,679 --> 01:35:58,880
him the answer would be no because there

2107
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:00,360
would be a restrictive covenant that

2108
01:36:00,360 --> 01:36:02,719
runs with the land that's recorded and

2109
01:36:02,719 --> 01:36:04,360
then that would be on the

2110
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:06,679
title so they could they could propose

2111
01:36:06,679 --> 01:36:08,600
someone one if they want but they'll it

2112
01:36:08,600 --> 01:36:10,960
will tie up the future development of

2113
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:11,679
that

2114
01:36:11,679 --> 01:36:13,840
property which maybe they're not

2115
01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:16,760
concerned about I'm not I'm not sure so

2116
01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:19,280
the the um proposal did have quite a few

2117
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:22,000
mitigation trees already I think it said

2118
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:23,360
in the STA report how many but I think

2119
01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:25,600
they need to add another 30 or so yeah

2120
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:30,840
kind like some B correct so yeah they might want to put some of them on

2121
01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:32,360
person

2122
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:34,800
one but yes in the city of Sandy we

2123
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:37,400
started about 12 13 years ago recording

2124
01:36:37,400 --> 01:36:40,360
restrictive covenants that are then tied

2125
01:36:40,360 --> 01:36:42,199
to the property and so even when they

2126
01:36:42,199 --> 01:36:48,350
sell they're tied to the

2127
01:36:48,360 --> 01:36:51,400
title all right and we need a motion it

2128
01:36:51,400 --> 01:36:54,719
sounds like to accept it based on the of

2129
01:36:54,719 --> 01:36:59,360
facts the conditions of approval with

2130
01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:04,669
our modifications regarding Pin

2131
01:37:04,679 --> 01:37:07,280
Street well I'll make an attempt here uh

2132
01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:10,880
chair I move that we approve file number

2133
01:37:10,880 --> 01:37:13,840
22039 uh along with the four variants

2134
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:16,199
with the conditions noted in the staff

2135
01:37:16,199 --> 01:37:20,040
report and changes noted by you as well

2136
01:37:20,040 --> 01:37:24,639
as um our adjustments noted to require

2137
01:37:24,639 --> 01:37:27,480
curve trees and

2138
01:37:27,480 --> 01:37:34,030
sidewalk with a field Mo for the

2139
01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:38,159
asphalt and think that's

2140
01:37:38,159 --> 01:37:42,119
it I would second motion okay it's been

2141
01:37:42,119 --> 01:37:46,560
moved and seconded to approve file 22-

2142
01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:50,920
039 based on everything that Darren

2143
01:37:50,920 --> 01:37:53,650
said we will go to a roll call

2144
01:37:53,650 --> 01:37:57,310
[Music]

2145
01:37:57,320 --> 01:38:01,990
vote okay commissioner

2146
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:06,920
pullan agree

2147
01:38:06,920 --> 01:38:11,760
um commissioner wager yes commissioner

2148
01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:13,239
Lee wayenberg

2149
01:38:13,239 --> 01:38:17,280
Yes commissioner Rams yes and Cher

2150
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:25,550
Crosby yes motion carries

2151
01:38:25,560 --> 01:38:29,080
and do we since we have our leas on in

2152
01:38:29,080 --> 01:38:29,880
the

2153
01:38:29,880 --> 01:38:33,560
room you heard our comments we'll just

2154
01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:36,599
about the park fees yeah I was just

2155
01:38:36,599 --> 01:38:37,800
going to ask a question do you want to

2156
01:38:37,800 --> 01:38:39,800
give a an allocated percentage or want

2157
01:38:39,800 --> 01:38:47,030
just say

2158
01:38:47,040 --> 01:38:50,080
significant significant is kind of

2159
01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:52,119
subjective depending on What's

2160
01:38:52,119 --> 01:38:54,920
significant to you or what ific to me

2161
01:38:54,920 --> 01:38:57,119
yes that's right and we're in the era of

2162
01:38:57,119 --> 01:39:00,260
clear and

2163
01:39:00,270 --> 01:39:01,960
[Music]

2164
01:39:01,960 --> 01:39:04,679
objective I I although personally I hate

2165
01:39:04,679 --> 01:39:07,960
to put it like a percentage because that

2166
01:39:07,960 --> 01:39:10,360
really locks it in you can't go one up

2167
01:39:10,360 --> 01:39:13,760
one% up can't go 1% down although here's

2168
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:17,400
what we can do we can we can message the

2169
01:39:17,400 --> 01:39:20,199
counsil our preference of a percentage

2170
01:39:20,199 --> 01:39:24,560
and let them take care of how specific

2171
01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:27,440
they want to get if they if they even

2172
01:39:27,440 --> 01:39:30,040
want to pass their own resolution or

2173
01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:31,639
something I was thinking we could slide

2174
01:39:31,639 --> 01:39:34,159
also say between this percent and this

2175
01:39:34,159 --> 01:39:36,960
percent and kind of give a range and

2176
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:38,239
it's kind of the same thing you just

2177
01:39:38,239 --> 01:39:40,800
said but you know kind of narrow it down

2178
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:43,360
a little bit to what we would hope for

2179
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:45,159
and and give a little bit of

2180
01:39:45,159 --> 01:39:48,840
objectiveness there what would be a what

2181
01:39:48,840 --> 01:39:50,639
you all think it my problem is I don't

2182
01:39:50,639 --> 01:39:54,000
know how much the things cost for a park

2183
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:56,480
you know why it would be added too for

2184
01:39:56,480 --> 01:39:59,280
other sure but like I mean I would like

2185
01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:01,840
enough percentage to get something

2186
01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:04,400
done right right is it just going to sit

2187
01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:06,280
there for the next 10 years waiting for

2188
01:40:06,280 --> 01:40:08,679
more money to do something right and

2189
01:40:08,679 --> 01:40:10,040
that we don't

2190
01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:12,800
know and there's there's no way that we

2191
01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:18,470
would know tonight that anybody may

2192
01:40:18,480 --> 01:40:20,719
know we could do something like saying

2193
01:40:20,719 --> 01:40:22,639
at least half of it or at least three

2194
01:40:22,639 --> 01:40:24,480
qus of it or something like that

2195
01:40:24,480 --> 01:40:28,520
majority the ear marked I think is is a

2196
01:40:28,520 --> 01:40:30,480
good term to use I like something like

2197
01:40:30,480 --> 01:40:33,639
with majority with want to see maor

2198
01:40:33,639 --> 01:40:35,560
improvements then it would have to be at

2199
01:40:35,560 --> 01:40:40,119
least 51% yeah to

2200
01:40:40,119 --> 01:40:43,800
be okay please do something with this

2201
01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:45,760
then let's let's do this so it goes on

2202
01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:47,880
record and and

2203
01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:51,400
U they can go to the council as we did

2204
01:40:51,400 --> 01:40:53,840
this we passed the

2205
01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:56,440
resolution or a vote or something so if

2206
01:40:56,440 --> 01:40:59,920
somebody would um put that in the words

2207
01:40:59,920 --> 01:41:03,080
just that the majority of the do you

2208
01:41:03,080 --> 01:41:05,599
want to do a motion

2209
01:41:05,599 --> 01:41:08,320
yes the majority of

2210
01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:11,400
the not sdc's it would be the park

2211
01:41:11,400 --> 01:41:13,199
what's the official word no it would be

2212
01:41:13,199 --> 01:41:16,599
the parks sdc's the parks sdc's that's

2213
01:41:16,599 --> 01:41:18,480
correct that the majority of them be

2214
01:41:18,480 --> 01:41:24,350
used within bornstead Park

2215
01:41:24,360 --> 01:41:27,000
okay there we go again uh chair I move

2216
01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:29,199
that uh we make a recommendation to city

2217
01:41:29,199 --> 01:41:32,320
council that the majority of the Parks

2218
01:41:32,320 --> 01:41:35,560
sdcs from the C Mi use development uh be

2219
01:41:35,560 --> 01:41:39,800
used for improvements at for Park I

2220
01:41:39,800 --> 01:41:43,679
say that was perfect we'll just do a a

2221
01:41:43,679 --> 01:41:49,520
voice Voice vote all in favor say I any

2222
01:41:49,520 --> 01:41:52,239
opposed motion carries it's in the

2223
01:41:52,239 --> 01:41:54,360
record so you have an official document

2224
01:41:54,360 --> 01:41:58,629
you to them if

2225
01:41:58,639 --> 01:42:02,870
not anything else

2226
01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:08,310
otherwise we are a

2227
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:10,840
Jour thanks everybody thank you thanks

2228
01:42:10,840 --> 01:42:13,520
for coming we do appreciate all the

2229
01:42:13,520 --> 01:42:15,239
thank you for your my hands are clamming

2230
01:42:15,239 --> 01:42:21,540
sorry that's all right

2231
01:42:21,550 --> 01:42:24,800
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