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[0:19] Good evening. One of welcome everybody tonight's meeting of the Community Advisory Council.
[0:25] I'd like to ask a clerk about to take a roll call.
[0:31] Thank you chair. Alan Absent. Byron Absent. Grouped Absent. Hughes.
[0:43] Markham is absent, Norton?
[0:46] Here.
[0:47] O'Rourke?
[0:48] Here.
[0:50] Osmer is absent.
[0:52] It's not grass.
[0:55] Steadman?
[0:56] Here.
[0:57] To it to Vookie?
[0:58] Here.
[0:59] Biced to your Davis's absent and chair Capron.
[1:02] Here.
[1:03] And we have a forum.
[1:05] Thank you.
[1:05] And I wanted to share with everyone that we've had a couple of
[1:09] Resignations, Bruce Severens, and Mike Termini, both have resigned, both cited some family
[1:17] reasons for needing to step down.
[1:20] So thank them for their service, Mike, both on the policy board and on the community advisory
[1:28] council.
[1:35] Does anybody have any items on the consent agenda that they'd like to pull?
[1:39] And there's just the minutes and the annual summary of Gendez.
[1:46] I'm sorry, Chair.
[1:46] Did you call for public comment?
[1:49] Oh, items that don't appear on the agenda.
[1:52] Thank you very much.
[1:53] Do we have anyone in the public who has public comments on items that do not appear on tonight's agenda?
[2:01] Okay.
[2:01] I do not see any public comments here.
[2:04] Okay.
[2:09] Not hearing anybody want to pull any consent agenda items.
[2:13] I'm going to entertain a motion to approve the consent agenda.
[2:18] We have a motion from Tudivuki.
[2:22] And a second from Norton.
[2:28] Good to go ahead and call the roll.
[2:30] Thank you, Chair.
[2:33] Hughes.
[2:35] Aye.
[2:37] Norton.
[2:41] O'Rourke.
[2:44] Snowdgrass.
[2:45] Aye.
[2:46] Steadman.
[2:47] Abstain.
[2:51] Tudivuki.
[2:54] And Chair Capron.
[2:56] Aye.
[2:57] Motion passes.
[2:58] Okay, the first item on our regular agenda for this evening is to receive report on transportation
[3:09] electrification services and initiatives from Silicon Valley, clean energy and East
[3:14] Bay Clean Energy.
[3:15] I'm excited about these presentations because we're going to be hearing about people, our
[3:20] compatrails, from other jurisdictions who are doing some of this work and can share their
[3:24] experiences and it turned this over to director programs John Greaser.
[3:32] Good afternoon and thank you chair Capron and members of the Community Advisory Council.
[3:37] Before I introduce our guest presenters this evening from Silicon Valley Clean Energy and East Bay Clean Energy,
[3:45] I just want to provide a little bit of context.
[3:48] So heading into this year, the policy board adopted a work plan for the CAC.
[3:55] And that work plan specified items that would be in alignment with board priorities and
[4:01] included the convening of five information on our work study sessions, such as the one this evening,
[4:07] to ultimately inform community outreach and education in support of 3CE and its portfolio of energy programs.
[4:17] These sessions focused on transportation electrification are intended to facilitate the CAC's input into
[4:24] development of a document called planning action for regional transportation electrification,
[4:33] also known as party. The goal of the party is to inform three CE's transportation electrification
[4:40] strategy, including how and where the agency should direct its future, transportation electrification
[4:46] investments, and the design and implementation of transportation electrification programs.
[4:52] This evening's study session and presenters are the fifth and final part of a five part plan that we've all been participating all year long, and we are delighted to hear presentations this evening from Silicon Valley and East Bay Clean Energy.
[5:14] Silicon Valley will present their award-winning e-hub and web-enabled electric vehicle program
[5:21] services that are made available to customers, including EV assistant, shop home charging
[5:28] and grid-shift EV charging, and afterwards we'll hear a presentation from staff from East Bay
[5:33] Clean Energy that will present on their $30 million 10-year initiative to develop a network of
[5:39] 24-7 publicly accessible electric vehicle fast charging infrastructure on member agency sites using
[5:46] tolling agreements. Without further ado, I'd like to introduce
[5:53] Michaela Pippin and Leslie Matarang from Silicon Valley Clean Energy, who will be presenting
[6:00] on behalf of Silicon Valley Clean Energy. Leslie and Michaela, welcome and thank you so
[6:05] Can you hear us? There you are.
[6:09] Yes, we can. Thank you, John, can you hear us?
[6:12] We can.
[6:14] And I just, I wanted to jump in Michaela and just say hello.
[6:18] Leslie, it's nice to have you back.
[6:20] Leslie was a member of 3CE before moving over to Silicon Valley.
[6:25] I'm so happy to have you with us again in one of our meetings.
[6:28] We're still having a lot of fun here.
[6:31] And thank you for joining us.
[6:33] Thank you so much for having me.
[6:38] All right.
[6:39] Well, hello, community advisory council members,
[6:42] and thank you for seeking us to come this evening.
[6:46] I am the Kayla Pethen, the principal communications specialist
[6:49] that's looking at our group from energy.
[6:52] Should we go ahead and share slides or is that done on your end?
[6:59] Which are you prefer?
[7:00] We will share them on our end if it works for you.
[7:03] and if you could kindly please just ask to advance the slide when ready.
[7:09] Thanks, Sunscreen.
[7:11] I introduce myself.
[7:12] So I will head it over to you, Leslie.
[7:15] Good evening.
[7:17] Good evening, Vice-Communist.
[7:18] Vice-Communist members.
[7:20] And 3CE staff.
[7:21] My name is Leslie Mattering and I am the Marketing Specialist.
[7:25] Okay.
[7:26] Next slide.
[7:26] Thank you.
[7:27] So today we are going to give a background on our award winning.
[7:31] hear how successful customer engagement on EHA has been, explain the customer's journey when
[7:36] exploring such vehicle options and describe how the grid should help our customers and the grid.
[7:42] Next slide, please. Customers have the power to change the world and EHA is a valuable tool
[7:49] that helps them turn its power into meaningful action. Next slide, thank you. EHA payments
[7:55] fruition when our customers showed interest in EVs, solar panels, and the cost and census for them.
[8:01] We take this interest and create it a one-stop shop where they have access to online schools
[8:05] and resources that help customers learn about the benefits of electrification and this is
[8:10] them to take action. Digital management has been an effective tactic to reach most of our customers.
[8:16] SEC has found a lot of success in reaching over 50,000 customers with one email. Next slide, please.
[8:24] So, you have supports like customers to their electrification journey by first inspiring
[8:29] and bringing awareness, then educating them through our resources, and it assisting them
[8:35] to go electric through our third party educational tools.
[8:39] Next slide, please.
[8:43] So, we have structured our educational tools in three buckets.
[8:47] Customers learn how they can drive electric through the EV assistance where customers
[8:51] can discover and compare EVs and available incentives.
[8:54] They learn how they can go electric at home through the appliances assistance, which is a market
[8:58] place where they can buy efficient electric products.
[9:02] Lastly, customers learn how they can produce and store solar energy through the solar
[9:06] and the spattery assistant.
[9:07] With this tool, customers have access to an energy advisor who walks into the process of insulation
[9:13] and applying for instance.
[9:16] Next slide, please.
[9:19] Now, if you're asking if EHA is working and if our customers are engaging, next slide, please.
[9:25] This graph shows how many customers have engaged with the e-hat tool since we launched in 2020.
[9:31] In addition, the average time of customer spend on the e-hat web pages is two minutes, which is more than an industry standard, which is under one minute.
[9:41] Next slide, please.
[9:43] Now, you got in a sense of e-hubbys and successful results.
[9:47] Let me walk you through the customers' journey when they're interested in electric vehicles.
[9:52] Next slide, please.
[9:54] The customer is first curious about EVs after seeing them on the road in a neighbor's home.
[10:00] The one day they receive an email from SPCE that talks about the amazing benefits of the EV.
[10:05] They go to a web page and click on the EV assistant to learn more.
[10:09] Next slide please.
[10:12] And they see so many options that they can explore through.
[10:15] They choose a car they're interested in and they learn about their cost savings,
[10:18] plus available incentives.
[10:20] Now the customer feels more knowledgeable about purchasing an EV.
[10:24] next slide please. They're in a customer's EV exploration. They can go on an EV assistant to
[10:31] discover nearby public charging stations. And if they're interested in a home EV charger,
[10:36] they're able to explore different EV charger options. Now our customers have confidence in moving
[10:42] order with their EV purchase. When shopping for home EV charger's customer will also learn about
[10:48] the grid shift EV charging app, which my Caleb will share more with you now. Thanks last week.
[10:55] So, as I said, as our customers are going through and learning about a lot of vehicles and how they can charge at public stations or home stations,
[11:03] they'll also see information about the SCCE Bridge Shift app, which is our automated smart charging app. Next slide, please.
[11:12] So, it's fabulous that we have customers that are making this transition and SCCE service territory.
[11:17] we have about 40,000 customers that are currently driving electric vehicles, which is a huge
[11:24] herbal and fabulous. But now that they're driving electric vehicles, we want them to take
[11:28] the right charging actions because even though at CCA customers, they're receiving clean energy
[11:34] on an annual basis, we here know that the California grid has dirtier times of the day and cleaner
[11:40] times of the day. So when they charge still matters, not only for their carbon footprint, but also for
[11:46] wallet. So the grid shifts out automates their home charging for two factors. The first
[11:54] factor is their electricity rate. So the outstinks to their electricity rate to know when their
[11:59] energy is the highest and lowest prices. And then it also factors in the California grid carbon
[12:07] emissions for that period of time that they're given to charge. So the way this up works is that
[12:16] their EV or charger, and then when they get home at 4.30 in the afternoon and plug in their
[12:22] car, they'll just set the time they need it by the next day or later that evening and
[12:27] the uncle will take care of the rest. It will look at the five hour, six hour, enter our
[12:33] here window of time between when they plug in, to when the customer needs the car and
[12:38] it will charge it between the times that are cheapest, but also looking at the California
[12:44] a good to get them to be as charged.
[12:46] And then this is the main benefit, but there are additional benefits.
[12:49] The app can take into consideration if the customer has rooftop solar, and we also have
[12:55] seasonal events where we can provide bill incentives or global drawings to have app.
[13:01] To incentivize customers to take the actions that we are looking for.
[13:05] On the average customer, on a time of use, or after a few weeks, we'll save about $100 per
[13:10] year when they're letting the app do their charging for them. Next slide, please.
[13:16] So right now we've got over a thousand customers. They're using grid shift to charge their
[13:20] EVs at home. And while this is a free app to all our SCC customers, the app itself does have some
[13:27] compatibility requirements. There's two ways that the app will control the charge. The first
[13:32] way is via telematics through the vehicle. So the vehicles that's here are the vehicles that are
[13:39] currently. But if customers don't have a major model that's listed on this list, they can also connect via smart charger.
[13:46] So right now, charge point and smart net both have smart chargers, smart net is actually a one and L2.
[13:53] So it doesn't even require a electrician to come install.
[13:57] And then the app can control the charging through the charger and they can charge any electric vehicle,
[14:04] even the ones not on this list.
[14:05] And because this was really important to us to be able to open the benefits of this app to everyone driving an ED, we are offering a $250 rebate for customers that do not currently have a compatible vehicle, probably they can still get the cost and carbon saving benefits.
[14:23] And then I've got a video here at the audio work so you can hear directly from our customers. It's a quick 10 second social video.
[14:36] And if not, that is okay, but the link will be in the slide deck.
[14:41] So moving on to our pilot, EM and V results in 2020, this program started as a
[14:47] chalet with between 60 and EV drivers, and what we've done this slide is scaled up the
[14:53] results from that chalet to be representative of our over 1,000 drivers that we have
[14:58] right now.
[14:58] There's a lot of numbers on this slide.
[15:00] So I'm going to just pull out two. The first is the second bullet. And that 52-killa law is what we were able to reduce on an average day, based off of the behavior that we saw during our pilot.
[15:13] And then if you jump down to the bottom bullet, the 175-killa walk for event, these are events where we set up, push notifications through the app, during sex alerts, oftentimes with heat lilies to say, hey, please don't charge.
[15:28] So in addition to the app already optimizing for grade conditions, we're taking another
[15:33] option by sending a reminder of the customers to avoid boosting their charge to avoid
[15:39] overwriting the app and charging, and when we do this, we see 175 kilowatt reduction
[15:45] for event.
[15:47] And then we've included the link here on the title.
[15:50] It results with your interest in inviting deeper into this.
[15:53] Next slide, please.
[15:56] And then just for fun, I wanted to include a drop of our enrollment.
[15:59] So we launched in 2020 as a pilot.
[16:02] We scaled the program up in 2021.
[16:05] And then within the first year to we also expanded compatibility.
[16:09] We had Chevy Rollout, which was a huge marketing press for us.
[16:13] That the orange dot in 2022 indicates when we started to put marketing dollars behind specific marketing channels.
[16:20] we've done a few incentive sign-ups, so offering a $50 incentive for customers that enroll and
[16:26] complete a few smart charges, we've done some direct mailers, and you can see that once
[16:30] we kicked in the head, you're permitting the enrollments completely jumped in a shorter time
[16:37] frame than we had for just the pilot. So I thought this has been an interesting comparison for
[16:42] our team to see on the backhand, so I wanted to share this with you all as well. And next slide,
[16:47] that concludes our overview of how SBCE is engaging customers
[16:52] in our electric vehicle education.
[16:55] And then once they have their EV encouraging them
[16:57] to take the class charging behaviors.
[17:02] And I believe it's time for questions.
[17:09] I think maybe we're going to wait for questions
[17:12] and tell both of you have presented.
[17:15] Is that right, John?
[17:17] Yeah, if that works with the chair,
[17:19] I think we can do that and have our second presenter.
[17:31] Thank you so much, Michaela, and Leslie, very, very informative and interesting to see the great work that Silicon Valley Clean Energy has done to provide web-enabled services to your customers.
[17:46] Next, it is my pleasure to introduce Jesse Denver, who will be presenting this evening on behalf of East Bay Clean Energy.
[17:55] Jesse, can you hear me?
[17:57] I can hear you, can you hear me?
[17:59] I can, thank you so much and welcome.
[18:02] Yeah, thanks a lot.
[18:08] All right, well as John said, I'm Jesse Denver,
[18:10] and I'm the Director of East Bay Community Energy's
[18:15] Transportation Electrification Program.
[18:18] This is not my slide.
[18:21] So I'll wait until we get there.
[18:24] There we go, perfect.
[18:26] All right, next slide, please.
[18:27] Um, he's big community energy. We serve Alameda County and we also serve the city of Tracy in Sandwalking County.
[18:37] And starting in 2025, we'll also be expanding our service to the city of Stockton, which is also in Sandwalking County.
[18:45] So, we are a very dense urban environment service territory and we have a lot of resident who are renters.
[18:58] And so we really wanted to look at the current ecosystem of EV charging infrastructure that was available to all of our residents.
[19:08] and what we found was that there are complete charging deserts where thousands of residents live
[19:15] who are renters. And so in turn to make sure that we as a public agency are filling this gap
[19:23] and really helping half of our population transition and be able to benefit near term from
[19:31] to and from EVs, we started looking at how do we fill a role in actually deploying charging
[19:39] infrastructure. And we did launch an incentive program in partnership with the California
[19:44] Energy Commission. That was a $17.3 million Cal EVIP program. And what we saw was in lesson
[19:55] for minutes, the entire DC fast charging budget for publicly available fast charging infrastructure
[20:02] was oversubscribed by more than $30 million. So this really signal to us that there is a
[20:08] need for EVCE to actually make investments through our local development program in building out
[20:15] a network of fast charging infrastructure that strategically located to meet the needs of residents who
[20:22] don't have access to at home charging.
[20:25] And I'll get into that in a little bit a few slides down.
[20:30] So, oh, no, I'm not done here on that first slide.
[20:35] So, all of our JPA member communities, we have 15,
[20:40] including the city of Oakland, Alameda County,
[20:43] and all the other cities in Alameda County
[20:45] and the city of Tracy, and us investing
[20:48] and building out this network really is a way
[20:51] help them be able to achieve their climate action goals faster. Each of these cities they don't
[20:58] have the money or the bandwidth or the staff to actually engage in building out in that work
[21:04] of charging infrastructure and it's really hard for them to also engage private sector providers
[21:11] in contractual arrangements that get charging infrastructure where it's needed most.
[21:18] So, in order for our service territory specifically to actually reach the state mandate, we inherently need to as a JPA load serving entity partner with our JPA member cities to achieve the goals that encompass our service territory within the broader goals of the state of California.
[21:41] So as we all know, the state has a goal of getting eight million zero mission vehicles on the road by 2030 and in our service territory specifically that means about 300,000 vehicles and then of course by 2035 there's a mandate to not allow any new car sales to be anything other than zero mission vehicles.
[22:07] So, an EVCE service territory, that means that we need to be able to accommodate 300 to 500,000
[22:16] zero-mission vehicles and be able to support charging infrastructure.
[22:20] And this, of course, also represents an incredible load growth opportunity for the agency,
[22:26] because we're looking at up to two pair of what hours of new load by 2030.
[22:32] 30. So EBCE's strategic goal is to deploy and network that is white-labeled EBCE's fast-sharding network.
[22:42] The name to be determined. We're still working on that. But our goal is to have actually
[22:48] 40 to 50 hubs built by 2030. And each of these hubs has a standard design that we really aim for to
[22:57] a minimum of 10 dual port fast chargers at each site. So we're really looking at the gas station
[23:04] model to ensure that when somebody comes to one of our sites that there is a port that is going
[23:11] to be available to them. Next slide please. So initially we thought about putting all this on our
[23:19] own balance sheets and we actually started pricing out and modeling what this would look like for us
[23:26] quickly determine that in order for us to scale to meet our objectives, we needed to think about
[23:33] a different pathway. And sorry, this is not the way we organized this slide. Was this the
[23:42] next slide or did we skip a slide? No, sorry, can you go back?
[23:51] Can we go to the first slide that I
[23:53] on. Okay, now the next slide. Okay, perfect. Thank you. John, I forgot that we had
[24:01] reordered these. So as I mentioned earlier, we, you know, are working with our
[24:07] member cities to leverage their real estate assets. We initially started looking at,
[24:14] do we do this at private sector sites, but then we quickly, you know, found out that when
[24:20] we were calculating the economics of the overall project costs that least costs actually assumed
[24:28] 46% of the overall budget for EV fast charging infrastructure. And that applies to all the
[24:35] private sector providers as well. So in order for us to ensure that we were delivering low cost,
[24:43] a low cost charging experience to our customers, we wanted to cut that expense out upfront. And so
[24:50] We actually partnered with our cities to leverage the real estate assets, and they're
[24:58] actually providing us with parking stalls in off street parking lots and parking garages
[25:06] and in some cases in the public right away at no cost.
[25:11] And so through this public public partnership, that means, again, we're going to be able
[25:16] to offer a lower cost charging to customers
[25:19] who are using our DC fast charters.
[25:23] And the contractual arrangement
[25:25] between East Bay Community Energy and our JPA member cities
[25:30] is through a master site license agreement,
[25:33] and that site license agreement actually gives us access
[25:36] to those parking stalls for a 15 year term.
[25:40] And then that agreement includes a whole list
[25:45] of potential sites that we might want to develop in the future and that we're going to work together
[25:51] to actually dive deep on those sites to understand the feasibility of developing those locations.
[26:00] So again, I mentioned that our siteing strategy is very much centered on enabling
[26:07] residents who are renters to be able to access convenient charging infrastructure near where they live
[26:15] and these are areas that we've coined as multi-family hot spots. Again 47% of our residents are
[26:24] renters in multi-family housing and we did an assessment of that building stock and found that
[26:32] all multi-family housing with five units or more, 90% of that multi-family housing is 50 years old or older,
[26:42] Which means all those buildings are going to need electrical upgrades that will enable at-home charging, which of course is a major barrier to renters actually being able to charge where they live.
[26:56] And we also have DMV registration data that we've mapped and overlapped with all of the multi-family buildings in our service territory.
[27:05] And we can essentially see that there's been no uptake of EVs by renters today.
[27:12] So we need to deploy this network to really ensure that we start to get 50% of our
[27:20] population into zero mission vehicles. And again, provide that reliable, affordable fast charging
[27:28] experience near where they live. And part of our
[27:32] signing strategy in addition to making sure that we're
[27:35] finding municipal facilities that are in our multi-family
[27:39] hotspots is ensuring that those are co-located with
[27:43] easily walkable amenities that drivers will want to
[27:47] use like a cafe or a restaurant or a grocery store
[27:51] during the kind of 20, 40, 5 minutes that they will be
[27:56] charging. And again, we're really working to fill gaps because in these areas, we can see that
[28:03] there are no investments that have been made by the private sector companies to date. And so we
[28:10] have essentially major charging deserts. And right now, our phase one portfolio is all municipal
[28:20] facilities, and we have a few private sector sites that we're working on securing site
[28:26] license agreements for. And then phase two, we will be continuing that and looking at
[28:36] those municipal facilities, especially in the central valley and down in free
[28:42] with more private sector sites, potentially gas stations and a few other use cases for private
[28:52] sector sites. And then we're also looking to expand this network and the use case to medium duty
[29:04] good movement fleets. So the class 2B through 6 use case of box trucks and vans. And there's
[29:15] some very specific reasons for that that I'm happy to answer questions about later. Next slide please.
[29:25] So how do we find these sites? We actually developed an internal mapping tool and this is just a screen
[29:31] of some of the capabilities of the mapping tool. It's a pretty sophisticated and robust mapping tool
[29:39] that our team has built, but essentially it includes all the DMV registration data for vehicles,
[29:46] it includes all of the existing charging infrastructure data, includes co-star data,
[29:53] which has all multi-family housing, and then we've pulled in justice for
[30:00] Party and low income census track overlays along with PG&E's ICA maps, which show us the current capacity
[30:10] on different circuits. And the way that we have worked with our cities, and I'm going to use
[30:18] Oakland as an example here, to actually identify which facilities are going to be the best fit for
[30:26] developing a project is the city first shares a list of all the municipal sites that they'd
[30:32] like us to review. And we put that data into our mapping tool, overlay it with priority attributes,
[30:40] like making shirts in one of our multi-family hot spots, overlaying it with all the driver amenities,
[30:47] because we have NAICS codes from our customer database, integrated into the mapping tool. And then looking
[30:54] at that lens of, okay, it's in a multi-family hotspot, it's near cafes, restaurants, grocery
[30:59] stores, or other driver amenities, it's not red on PG&E's ICA map. So this particular location is
[31:10] a good fit over another particular location. And then from there we start to actually launch the
[31:20] engineering and analysis that we need to do to determine real world feasibility of those projects.
[31:27] So as you can see here, we've executed a site license agreement where you see the yellow dot
[31:35] and that is for a parking garage that this city of Oakland owns and what you see there with the green
[31:45] triangles and the white triangles are all the multi-family housing properties within a very short distance,
[31:56] you know, a square mile radius of that particular parking garage. And the green triangles are
[32:06] market rate multi-family housing and the white triangles are affordable multi-family housing
[32:13] properties, which of course have income eligibility requirements. And at this particular location,
[32:21] for example, we are building 17 dual port DC fast chargers. So that's 30 up to 36 parking spaces
[32:33] that we will be converting over to EV only charging infrastructure. And then there's a few other
[32:41] on here, I don't need to go into the details, but Eastern West Oakland are priorities for us,
[32:48] because there has been essentially no investment today by the private sector. Next slide.
[32:56] All right, so to my talking points earlier, we thought we were going to put all this on our own
[33:01] balance sheets, and then again, we found we would just wouldn't be able to scale as quickly as we
[33:06] needed to. So we started looking at what other type of contracting arrangements are available
[33:12] to us as a load serving entity that might be able to help us really leverage private sector
[33:19] capital to build out this network faster. And in the utility industry we all have executed
[33:30] totaling agreements and totaling agreements are used, for example, a natural gas
[33:36] peaker plant that say PG&E takes their electricity, their resource goes into
[33:42] the facility, they don't own the natural gas peaker plant. A third party entity
[33:47] owns the natural gas peaker plant, but their resource comes out a different
[33:51] commodity in the marketplace. That natural gas is converted into electricity that
[33:57] is sold as a new product in the marketplace. Similar to utility scale, front of the meter, battery
[34:06] energy storage, maybe in your case, definitely in our case, we've also signed totally an agreement
[34:12] for that, where our resource electricity goes into that facility. We don't actually own the
[34:18] battery facility, but it comes out a new commodity, which is resource adequacy, that then we
[34:24] the market place. And so we really looked at this and said,
[34:29] hey, I wonder if we could use this for fast chargers. Our electricity goes into the facility,
[34:36] which is the DC fast charging equipment, and it comes out a new commodity that we're selling
[34:41] to customers, which is a transportation fuel. And so we put out a solicitation
[34:47] two entities who are tolling agreement participants that are usually, you know, very much focused
[34:57] on the use cases that I just got to mentioning and said, hey, could we do this for DC fast
[35:03] charging?
[35:04] And we actually got proposals back and selected two entities that we are now executing tolling
[35:12] agreements with for DC fast charging equipment.
[35:15] So, they will each finance, construct, own and operate and maintain this network for EBCE.
[35:26] The whole network will be white labeled as EBCE's fast charging network.
[35:33] EBCE, we will pay a tolling agreement payment to that entity to cover the
[35:42] topics and the optics of the fast charging infrastructure. And this arrangement is the first of
[35:50] the kind in the world. So think of it as like the solar PPA for fast charging infrastructure
[35:58] if you will. And we're really excited that we've been able to kind of work through the hurdles
[36:06] of how you would set a first of its kind agreement like this up and you know hoping that
[36:12] it'll enable not just us to be able to scale, but that others who are load serving entities
[36:18] will be able to replicate the work that we've done here to also leverage this contracting
[36:24] mechanism and scale in their own service territories. So this really benefits us because it
[36:31] that helps us, again, attract low-cost capital,
[36:35] it derives deployment of this evolving technology.
[36:41] Like, we don't have in-house capability
[36:43] to actually own and operate this level of infrastructure assets.
[36:47] Our team is the team of transportation electrification experts,
[36:50] but we certainly are a lean team that gets a lot done.
[36:55] So, but we can't actually O&M all this infrastructure ourselves.
[37:01] It'll enable us to really leverage all of the funding coming down from the federal government
[37:07] and states in a way that we might not have been able to do otherwise as a not-for-profit
[37:13] public agency. Again, we're going to be able to white-label the entire network as EBCE's
[37:20] fast charging network even though we don't own any of the equipment and EBCE will set all the
[37:27] for charging at the chargers to our customers and we're going to be able to do this
[37:34] we think at a discount to drivers that somewhere in between 5 and 10 percent of what the
[37:40] private sector entities are currently charging drivers today which of course is a huge benefit
[37:46] for drivers especially low-income residents where you know transportation fuel historically has been
[37:53] such a huge component of their household budget.
[37:58] EBCE, we will be powering all of these chargers,
[38:02] which are master-meatored with our renewable 100 product,
[38:07] which is also registered with the California Air Resources
[38:11] for LCFS program as a zero carbon intensity
[38:17] transportation fuel, which enables us to then generate
[38:22] higher value LCFS credits.
[38:26] Next slide, please.
[38:31] So, the way that this works is, again,
[38:33] there's a monthly toling payment that EBCE pays
[38:36] to our third-party development partner,
[38:39] who is the toling agreement partner,
[38:40] and this is a dollar per kilowatt month toling payment,
[38:45] and that payment, again, supports the project design,
[38:49] development, construction, and on and going,
[38:52] O&M and then we also have SLAs that are connected to making sure that the chargers are working on a consistently
[39:02] on a consistent basis. I'm sure for those of you who haven't even evolved experience that the chargers, the charging network is not very reliable right now and that's something that the federal government and state are really working to change.
[39:19] Our agreement with our tolling partner is a tenure term. I noted earlier that we have a 15 year agreement with our municipal partners to actually have access to their real estate assets.
[39:33] In both arrangements were able to have kind of yearly extensions after that initial term of the agreement.
[39:44] And, you know, I think something that's been really great with our tolling agreement partners
[39:51] is that we've been able to work with them to select the equipment that we think is going
[39:57] to work for our projects, our projects sites, and our customer experience that we're hoping
[40:03] to achieve, and also ensure that there's subcontractors who will actually be doing the construction
[40:11] and then the O&M have experience in this place
[40:14] and are not just trying to get into this space,
[40:18] you know, with our projects being their first jobs.
[40:23] EBCE will be responsible for paying all the PG&E charges
[40:27] associated with the new meter.
[40:29] And of course, the transmission and distribution charges
[40:32] because this will be a new account
[40:36] with the new service that we EBCE coordinate
[40:39] with PG&E and bringing to the site, so that we're not actually behind a city meter.
[40:46] And then I think I covered the other points here on the last slide, but here's a conceptual
[40:52] design for a parking lot that we're working on now. This is also in Oakland. And at this
[40:59] site, we have 10 dual port DC fast chargers, and then there's some equipment that needs
[41:08] to be taken up in some of the parking spaces, as well.
[41:12] So in this scenario, you can see here what that will look like
[41:17] versus what it currently looks like.
[41:19] And for this particular project,
[41:21] we actually have a community meeting soon
[41:24] with the Merchants Association here.
[41:29] Next slide, that's it.
[41:32] So we're really excited that we've been able to put this
[41:36] contracting pathway in place.
[41:38] And we currently have site license agreements and master site license agreements executed with
[41:47] eight of our joint power authority member communities. And we have 11 projects in development and
[41:57] in PG&E service planning.
[42:02] Thank you, Michaela. And thank you to Leslie. Excuse me, thank you, Jessie.
[42:07] and thank you for to talk to Leslie and Michaela also.
[42:10] John Greaser, would you like to make any comments before we open this up for questions?
[42:17] No chair, I think we can move right to questions.
[42:21] If anyone has questions for any of our presenters, this would be the time.
[42:34] So this is a question for the EBC.
[42:38] We had a presentation by PG&E and they said for any large scale project, they needed seven
[42:44] years before, so they could properly plan the energy use, how are you folks dealing with
[42:51] that?
[42:52] That is a great question, so PG&E service planning process is definitely the key barrier
[43:01] to all transportation electrification, how we accelerate the state schools.
[43:09] their T&D system has upgrades that are necessary that have been deferred for over 20 years
[43:20] and as we you know start to electrify everything including light medium and heavy duty vehicles
[43:27] their circuits are constrained and it's going to take them quite a bit of time to upgrade some
[43:34] those circuits. So in our siding strategy, we really aim to align the municipal facilities
[43:42] that are in areas today where we see that those circuits are not constrained. And then we get
[43:49] our service planning application with our conceptual project design into their service planning process
[43:57] as quickly as possible. And then work to kind of secure that capacity on those circuits
[44:04] or our projects. It's not the best system but we don't control that system so we're working
[44:11] within what we have and we have had the PG&E team who I will say the folks who work at PG&E
[44:20] on the service planning team are great. They're very helpful and they're also
[44:26] understaffed and have so much on their plate so really appreciate their position.
[44:32] They have come back to us and let us know on a few sites that despite when we initially said
[44:38] we want to develop this project site and the circuits were green on their ICA map.
[44:44] They came back to us and said, actually, sorry, all that capacity is gone.
[44:50] They're not going to tell us exactly who applied for that, but it doesn't necessarily mean
[44:55] it's another EVFFF charging project.
[44:57] It could be a data center.
[44:58] It could be a housing developer.
[45:00] Or a hospital. And that we won't be able to get that capacity until 2025 or 2027. And again, you know, as fleets, who need to meet the mandates of the advanced clean
[45:15] fleets rule on the medium and heavy duty side of things, as they start applying for that same kind of capacity. This is really going to become a major issue for the PG&E team.
[45:28] Thank you.
[45:30] Yeah.
[45:31] Thanks, Steve.
[45:31] Good question.
[45:33] Anybody else have a question for our panel.
[45:41] Looking out to the remote sites?
[45:46] Oh, go ahead, Rich.
[45:49] Yeah.
[45:49] Thank you for the presentation from Silicon Clean Energy.
[45:53] I was wondering, your program looks very app intensive and we get criticism here for catering to those that are well to do or wealthy.
[46:03] What are you doing to encourage participation by low-income or disadvantaged communities that may not have access to resources that are available on your applications and are you making any type of availability for those people so that they could participate more readily?
[46:26] Give
[46:32] your question and I can offer a quick summary.
[46:39] So one of the things that we do on my hand with the e-hub is we do offer promotional
[46:45] rebates on the appliance assistance to help those who need financial assistance and I'll
[46:54] have Michaela talking more about gracious.
[47:00] And so for fiction, obviously the first kind of qualifying checkbox on the House of Czech
[47:05] is to drive an EV. And as you saw on the side, there are some compatibility requirements.
[47:11] We have a variety, you can have a Tesla or Chevy, but in addition that you can also connect
[47:17] via a SAC charger. And so it was really important to us, was that it wasn't just L2 chargers.
[47:23] we really wanted there to be a kind of a little online charger.
[47:26] So when we first contracted with EV.energy, the company that is available for the
[47:31] managed to be at, we worked with another PCC to say, hey, how do we try to get an L1 charger
[47:39] connected?
[47:40] They were already conversations with smart net.
[47:43] And so just a few months back, we were able to launch that compatibility publicly.
[47:48] So I want to fabulous because a customer can just buy the cord and plug it straight into
[47:53] the standard outlet in their robots versus having to have a contractor come out and get a permit
[48:00] and actually do some more intensive work. And then to take that a step further, we wanted
[48:05] to offer rebate to really incentivize customers to buy phone charging and help them pay for that
[48:11] home charging. It was something that was otherwise out of reach.
[48:19] Thank you.
[48:23] Sorry, just want to also
[48:24] the SVCE has other multi-family property charging programs or
[48:31] targeting specific multi-family communities or specific shopping centers
[48:36] near multi-family community hubs for EV charging where necessarily
[48:42] good shift or you have no common to play but it's still to increase EV
[48:47] charger accessibility because that can all be a variety.
[48:57] I have several
[48:57] questions myself,
[49:01] is the app, Silicon Valley, it was that developed specifically for you or
[49:06] is that a commercially available application?
[49:11] It is a white label app.
[49:12] We wrote a company called EV.energy, and MREMCE has their working with the same app developer,
[49:20] the EV doesn't see the same.
[49:25] And have you had enough activity on the app to be able to do an analysis to see what the difference
[49:33] in effect is between using a timer built in on a car versus using the app in terms of the results?
[49:44] I have the program lead Rebecca thing on, so I'm going to answer and then Rebecca, if I'm missing anything, so I'll free to jump in.
[49:51] We don't have numbers to my knowledge,
[49:55] but we do know that scheduling the timer
[49:57] doesn't always optimize for the carbon intensity.
[50:00] So when we first launched the app as a pilot,
[50:02] we actually had a lot of customers reaching out saying,
[50:04] hey, how is this different than we just scheduling
[50:06] during off-peat times?
[50:08] Well, that off-peat time might be later in the evening,
[50:11] and actually peak of friends are having to come on
[50:13] because so isn't producing.
[50:16] So this app could does both
[50:18] whereas the timer could primarily just take care of one.
[50:21] about that, do we have any numbers to speak to that?
[50:26] Yeah, hi.
[50:27] This is Rebecca.
[50:28] So we do have our MMV report from our pilot phase of
[50:32] grid shift that kind of studies between a control group and a
[50:35] treatment group, but it's a different in kind of the
[50:38] charting behavior before and after grid shift.
[50:40] So I would probably point to that report if you're looking
[50:43] for more concrete numbers.
[50:45] But as Michaela mentioned, the actors kind of take a way
[50:48] need to kind of plug and unplug based on those just from optimization, variable, all the
[50:55] person has to do set a ready by time and then the app will be able to schedule when the
[51:00] vehicle should be charging in order to get to their desired battery level by that time.
[51:09] Thank you. I had a few questions for you, also Jesse. Besides the public public partnership,
[51:17] where there are other factors that brought the cost down compared to a commercial developer
[51:22] we're just doing this on their own.
[51:25] Well, sure, EBCE is the electricity providers.
[51:29] So we find the utility scale power procurement contracts.
[51:33] And that means that we're able to actually consider our overhead,
[51:39] and then what we want to sell that electricity to drivers at the price point
[51:47] that we want to sell that electricity to drivers at.
[51:50] And as the load serving entity, as the electricity provider, that equation is going to be better
[51:58] for a driver than it is, if it's coming from a private sector company who's already paying
[52:03] retail costs for electricity, and then reselling that electricity to a driver.
[52:09] So in addition to the lease costs and us being able to eliminate that from the equation
[52:15] Because we're the electricity provider, again, we're also able to sell that electricity out of lower costs.
[52:23] And then the third component there is we're not for profit public agency with no shareholders unlike the private sector companies.
[52:31] So again, our motivations for building this infrastructure for our customers is different than the for profit companies, which means we're okay with charging less.
[52:46] And ensuring that we're covering our overhead, but for us, what we really found is this is kind of a net neutral endeavor, and we're not making a lot of money on it.
[52:58] It's just the right thing for us to be doing and reinvesting the funds that we do earn from the silver electricity in all the other sectors that we serve back into the community in this way.
[53:10] Thank you, and in terms of the advantage from the generation races, there are any advantage
[53:16] on the distribution side, or are you paying essentially PG&E the same rates that are commercial?
[53:21] Yeah, that's right.
[53:25] And on the construction of the facilities, is there any kind of labor requirements that you
[53:32] make on the subcontractors who are doing that work?
[53:35] Yeah, I mean, as an agency, we have prevailing wages, a policy, and then depending on the
[53:42] city. You know, again, this city doesn't have the agreement with our development partner.
[53:49] It's kind of a back to back to back. We sit in the middle where we have an agreement with
[53:55] our development partner and then we have an agreement with our city partner, but they don't
[54:00] have agreements with each other. And in the case of say, Oakland, they do have local business
[54:09] enterprise requirements where 50% of the workforce that's performing the actual construction activities
[54:17] needs to be from entities that are registered with their LBE program and or that 50% of the employees
[54:28] live in Oakland. But not every city also has those added requirements.
[54:34] right. Thank you very much. Do we have any further questions from the council members?
[54:45] Are you
[54:46] using someone on the screen? I see a hand raised in sand. Oh, okay. Yeah, it's hard for me to
[54:54] see who that's coming from. Please speak up. That's okay. Can you guys hear us? Yes. Awesome. Thanks.
[55:03] Thank you for that presentation. That's a absolutely brilliant program that you're right in there. I just wanted to say that the city of San Luis Vizpo had been trying similar way
[55:21] to fall for the game.
[55:23] I think that there are experience and various areas. It's just really
[55:31] powerful with the CCA and so it's a scale and the expertise in cross the whole surface territory.
[55:40] as much as the city of Klo would really be asked about at the same time considering
[55:47] some of those needs of that. And to be able to scale that up across the service territory
[55:53] to you and to deliver your services to the community to do this along your agreements.
[56:03] It's really great. And I wanted to ask you in the, in the, in the, in the, in the,
[56:12] with the transportation planning or the transportation planning as much, but it is the planning
[56:19] that you did either this locations of the target, or just the idea of doing a public
[56:25] target at all with that and in concert with regional plans with the National Quality Plan
[56:31] and the number eight in cities or this kind of, you guys undertake a process, you're able
[56:41] We don't plan anything with MTC, with our metropolitan transportation commission.
[56:47] This is strictly then between East Bay Community Energy and our joint power authority
[56:51] member cities.
[56:53] So again, we, you know, approach our member cities.
[56:57] Our board of directors has elected officials that sit on it from each of our
[57:02] cities and the county, they approved the $30 million budget that is enabling us to pay the
[57:11] tolling agreement payment year over year for the next 10 years.
[57:19] And so we approach our city members and we say, hey, you know, we want to develop projects
[57:24] in your cities we think you need based on ev adoption
[57:29] productions three hubs each with ten dual port chargers and then they say okay great
[57:38] let's do it and they provide us a list of potential parking assets and then we put
[57:45] that those addresses into our mapping tool and start to fill in all the overlays that tell
[57:52] Okay, out of the 17 sites that you send to us these six look the best with regards to all the sighting attribute priorities that we have.
[58:04] So let's put those into a master site license agreement and then agree that we're going to then start doing an in-depth engineering analysis.
[58:16] to figure out the feasibility of those sites for development, develop the conceptual project design that gets submitted to PG&E through their service planning process.
[58:30] PG&E reviews that and comes back to us and says, hey, this looks good, but you want the transformer here and we actually need it to be there.
[58:39] So we have to go back to our city partners and say, you know, they really need the transformer to be here,
[58:46] and that means that we have to take out this shrub, are you okay with that? And so we work together
[58:52] with our city partners to get the project design where it needs to be without it impacting the
[59:00] economic feasibility of the project. Like, we're not saying, hey, we want to do 10 dual port
[59:06] and then ending up with two, that's not our strategy.
[59:11] We really want to make sure that we have a dense network,
[59:16] and that each site, there's a lot of charging ports,
[59:18] not that we have a lot of charging ports kind of everywhere
[59:22] that's distributed where we have ones and twos here and there.
[59:27] So we work with our cities in that way to get the project design
[59:31] where it needs to be in efficient timeframe
[59:35] Because, again, we can't hold things up through PG&E service planning process or they actually cancel your application.
[59:43] And then, once we get the project approved and finalized with PG&E, we sign a contract with them that then kind of,
[59:52] that signals to them that then they start to design their site of the meter infrastructure.
[59:58] And once that point is done.
[1:00:00] We're going to go. The project is going to happen and we're all EBCE with our development partner, then we really start to jump into ordering the equipment, planning the construction, working with PG&E, when they're going to build their side. So that's kind of, I'm walking through the process here of how we collaborate with the cities and how we collaborate with our development partner, plus how we collaborate with PG&E.
[1:00:27] Thank you.
[1:00:32] We have any more questions from the council. I have a couple of quick ones for you, Jesse.
[1:00:43] Are you bringing state and federal grants to this process or is this all being done through self funding?
[1:00:50] We have applied for state and federal grants.
[1:00:53] We don't need the grants to do this.
[1:00:57] We've kind of modeled what we think that utilization will look like on our network.
[1:01:04] And we think that we can make it work with the budget that we have.
[1:01:08] And of course, we're going to be really proactive in driving that utilization and helping the intended audience get into
[1:01:16] electric vehicles so that they can use our our chargers. And we have applied for
[1:01:24] state grants and been successful in securing those and those were all secured prior to us
[1:01:31] pursuing the tolling agreement. So now that we have those grants and we have the tolling agreement
[1:01:37] those will just act kind of as a prepay that lowers our our tolling payments because they'll be able to
[1:01:45] with the CapEx and or OPEX side of things and then with the city of Oakland we are currently
[1:01:54] actually applying for a U.S. Department of Transportation funding opportunity that would enable us
[1:02:04] to deploy some fast chargers in East and West Oakland within one mile of Interstate 80 where we
[1:02:13] some real charging deserts and where the city doesn't actually have any feasible
[1:02:18] municipal properties to be able to develop projects at. And so if we get this
[1:02:25] funding that will help alleviate some of the cost around the leases that we might need to
[1:02:32] sign with other site host types which could include private sector property owners
[1:02:40] Alamedic County, AC Transit, our transit authority has a few properties, parking lots at the city currently manages, but AC Transit owns those, and then Cal Transit is also on board with, you know, being a potential partner and having us evaluate the feasibility of some of their parcels in those communities.
[1:03:07] Thank you.
[1:03:14] Through the chair, if there's no other questions from the council, I have just a couple that I would love to ask.
[1:03:19] I'm sure there will be further discussions between our teams.
[1:03:23] I'm sorry Rob, you said there is another question.
[1:03:27] If there are no other questions from the council, I would love to ask a few questions.
[1:03:33] Thank you.
[1:03:34] And thank you, Jesse, Michaela, and Leslie for your presentations.
[1:03:40] So for Silicon Valley first, it's wonderfully on brand that you did an app.
[1:03:46] I love that you did that.
[1:03:48] The levels that you had were, I think, 52 kilowatts saved and then during events about 175 kilowatts saved.
[1:04:00] Do you have any projections on sort of how that scales over time as you get more users signed up in the app?
[1:04:06] or are you expecting that to be relatively representative of the user ship?
[1:04:16] I'm going to let you take that one and you're still on.
[1:04:19] Yeah.
[1:04:19] I'm happy to answer that.
[1:04:20] That's a really great question.
[1:04:24] And I think it was mentioned on the slide that, you know,
[1:04:27] the ENMV results were done on the pilot scale 60 to 80 user
[1:04:32] and just for representation, I'll prefer to use
[1:04:35] led up to a current enrollment of a thousand users, but we're definitely interested in looking
[1:04:40] at how those crunch change as our enrollment grows and we're going to be launching our critical
[1:04:46] group shift hours season again this summer and so we will be definitely studying that for our
[1:04:53] skill that program. Thank you. It's a really exciting program and congratulations on launching it.
[1:05:01] Jesse, a few questions for you, this is an area, if you were at the CalCCA event, you might have heard me kind of talking around similar programs.
[1:05:12] And I have a couple, I'm wondering, are you prioritizing member agency locations that are free to access as opposed to downtown parking garages where there's a parking fee on top of the charging fee?
[1:05:27] Yes, that is part of our strategy is, you know, the city owns the parking garage, the city owns the parking lot or the city owns the, well, of course, the city owns the public right away parking spaces.
[1:05:43] So, in Berkeley, for example, both of the projects sites that we are collaborating with Berkeley on are in the public right away.
[1:05:52] In Livermore, they own the parking lots and the garages that we're doing projects at.
[1:06:01] So we are prioritizing municipal parking facilities and helping our municipal partners kind of reinvent the use case of those real estate assets.
[1:06:12] Rather than looking at private sector.
[1:06:18] privately owned facilities, at least in our first phase of projects, and then, you know,
[1:06:24] at some point, we're going to be tapped out on municipal facilities.
[1:06:28] So then we'll start to broaden our lens to other property types.
[1:06:34] I appreciate that.
[1:06:35] And you kind of answered my next question about the public right away charging, and it sounds
[1:06:41] you are exploring that moving forward. For the parking lots and parking structures is there a fee
[1:06:49] for the user that's parking in addition to the charging fee? Yeah, great question. So in Oakland
[1:06:59] at the parking garage that we're doing our biggest project at, that parking garage, the city of
[1:07:07] Oakland was willing to forego the parking garage fee for the first 60 minutes so that it
[1:07:16] really drove um utilization of the chargers and then for all of our chargers we will have
[1:07:24] a pricing structure that encourages turnover of the chargers because we don't want people
[1:07:29] sitting on those chargers longer than is necessary because we really need them to be highly
[1:07:34] utilize to help make the business case workout. For the city of Berkeley, you know, they're going to
[1:07:43] continue to have their parking meters at the charging stalls where we're potentially doing project
[1:07:52] development in those public right-of-ways spaces, and that's just something that they definitely
[1:07:57] need to continue to do. And then other cities, all of their lots and garages are free. They don't
[1:08:03] actually have parking meters or fees. So kind of varies by city and you know with each city
[1:08:11] then we work through what that looks like and you know if EBCE needs to help subsidize any sort of
[1:08:19] potential impacts that that you know that having no parking fee for 60 minutes for the use case
[1:08:27] of charging what that what that looks like. In a lot of these, um, off-street parking lots,
[1:08:35] uh, and the garages, you know, those facilities are not fully, um, utilized today.
[1:08:43] So changing the use case is not necessarily, this, we're not seeing like a big impact with regards
[1:08:50] to like, oh, uh, you're, you're losing parking revenue because there's not a lot of parking revenue happening,
[1:08:56] today, and we actually hope that adding the EV charging there would actually make that facility
[1:09:03] a more highly utilized facility down the road. I really appreciate that. Thank you, Jesse.
[1:09:10] My last question, have you modeled or looked at potential for vehicle to grid utilization from
[1:09:19] these charging infrastructure places, or would you see that as sort of a second phase?
[1:09:25] It's definitely second phase, you know, everyone is very interested in V2G, and V2G is at this kind of scale is not quite ready for prime time yet with the vehicle OEMs and the different kind of chargers like really matching up to say is that something that we can enable so that is definitely something that we'll be thinking about in a kind of phase two and phase three scenarios.
[1:09:53] And also in the initial phase of chargers that we deploy, you know, five years from now if there are technologies and vehicles that have those capabilities for to participate in that kind of transaction, then we would upgrade the charger if necessary to enable that.
[1:10:14] enable that because we certainly also want to be able to have these assets that we are
[1:10:21] managing, be able to participate in some of these other marketplaces as well.
[1:10:28] Again, congratulations on what sounds like a really exciting program for you and your team.
[1:10:33] Thank you, Chair, for indulging me. Certainly, see you, Shaw. And many thanks to all three of you,
[1:10:41] impacted and credible amount of information into a relatively short period of time.
[1:10:45] I really appreciate you sharing your experience and Kudos to all you're doing.
[1:10:51] Thank you for inviting us to share what we're up to with you.
[1:10:58] Yeah, do we have any public comment or questions from the public?
[1:11:04] No public comment, sure. Thank you.
[1:11:08] John, did you have any follow-up on this?
[1:11:12] My only follow-up is a very heartfelt thank you from the 3CE staff and particularly the energy program staff really, really appreciate it.
[1:11:25] And thanks to Director Greaser for putting this presentation together this evening.
[1:11:33] Before we move on to the next item, which is the CEO report.
[1:11:37] I just, I failed at the beginning of our agenda to just mention that staff had requested that
[1:11:43] we switch items five and six.
[1:11:46] So without objections from the council, I'd like to do that, it makes a more sense to
[1:11:53] look at the review of past programs before we discuss programs for the next fiscal year.
[1:12:00] So I will not see any objections. We'll do that and I'll turn this over to CEO Shaw now for the CEO's report.
[1:12:10] Thank you again, Chair.
[1:12:12] One not on the report and I apologize I don't have a cake. I did want to celebrate and recognize one year of chair Capron serving as our chair.
[1:12:22] I know there was some discussion I wasn't at the meeting the last time that you all met.
[1:12:27] but just a reminder that Chair Capron was elected to a two-year term, so whether, whether
[1:12:34] he, well, it's your choice, but we look forward to serving out the rest of your term over
[1:12:40] the next year.
[1:12:41] It's been a pleasure working with you.
[1:12:43] Also not on the agenda.
[1:12:45] I did want to take a moment and just thank the council for all of the feedback and the conversation
[1:12:51] starting a year ago, maybe even a little late earlier than a year ago, around workforce standards
[1:12:58] and projects selection criteria. You may have heard at the County of San Luis Obispo board hearing
[1:13:06] where they elected to join 3CE that that was a big topic of discussion that we did get
[1:13:13] direction from the chair and the vice chair to bring a proposal forward. And we have been doing
[1:13:19] that we've, we've, I think, as faithfully, as possible, pulled all of the feedback and direction
[1:13:25] and input from those three meetings that the CAC had around the issue, we're now having
[1:13:31] sort of really detailed conversations with stakeholders around specific language and the
[1:13:37] policy board.
[1:13:37] We'll be taking that up at their next meeting.
[1:13:40] So I just, again, wanted to really thank the CAC for their input and sort of starting that
[1:13:45] conversation.
[1:13:46] And with that, I'll jump into the written report.
[1:13:51] The first issue being the attendance at the CalCCA Annual Meeting.
[1:13:56] This is really the first annual meeting since 2019.
[1:14:00] The majority of staff attended, Mr. Dan Brittoldy, our program, our energy programs manager,
[1:14:08] served on a panel about putting community into community energy.
[1:14:12] And I served on a panel regarding innovation in the CCA space, how we plan for and carry out innovation.
[1:14:20] I think the presentation that you all just had is a really good example of what you see in the CCA space.
[1:14:26] There's an idea that comes forward that's really innovative and then people say, well, maybe that applies to this other area.
[1:14:32] How can I approve on that model?
[1:14:34] And there's a lot of things that I heard in even the East Bay proposal that sound very similar to the front of the meter energy effort that we have with our municipal member agencies.
[1:14:47] And there's a lot of ideas there that we'll be going back with and pulling forward into potential future programs as well.
[1:14:53] So, really interesting the dovetail between that CalCCA annual event and the discussion you want.
[1:15:00] I'm just heard. Maybe a little less optimistic is the market outlook. The energy markets are continue to be incredibly volatile. We have seen costs continue to skyrocket. You probably have all heard me talk about resource adequacy and the costs there. This is an area that moving forward our projections for next year are just very significant in terms of the increases in the cost of energy and needing to ensure that we have a lot of money.
[1:15:29] that our costs will cover the cost to serve our customers.
[1:15:34] So you have some information here around just the prices of resource adequacy, but the
[1:15:39] overall cost of energy projections are 120% increase over where they were a year ago.
[1:15:46] And those are significant, and the real drivers for them, they're a number of them.
[1:15:51] You know, market volatility around supply shortages of natural gas, delivery, and storage,
[1:16:00] the worn Ukraine continues to impact the global energy markets, the supply chain issues
[1:16:05] are still recovering.
[1:16:06] They're getting better, but still recovering from the COVID impacts.
[1:16:11] We continue to see regulatory pressures on both the cost of energy in the market, the delivery
[1:16:19] of projects, the interconnection delays, and then the compliance issues, all really driving
[1:16:25] at the overall cost of energy.
[1:16:28] So it's not a positive outlook in terms of energy cost, I will say that we as a CCA have
[1:16:34] done a really robust job of managing that risk, you know, in this year we're really being
[1:16:40] able to absorb a lot of that risk because of really good planning up to this point, a lot
[1:16:46] really good contracting structures. But as we move forward and we need to be buying energy at
[1:16:52] these higher market prices, we have to be preparing for what happens in two or three years,
[1:16:59] when potentially the market turns. And instead of being in a enviable position of having counter
[1:17:06] parties extend credit to us, we'll be in the unenviable position of having a lot of contracts that
[1:17:13] be out of the money and needing to be prepared potentially to extend that credit back
[1:17:18] to counter parties.
[1:17:20] Continue to be a really dynamic space and then staff is working as we prepare sort of the budget
[1:17:26] proposals for next year that will go in September in terms of how we plan for that over the next
[1:17:31] year.
[1:17:34] Some of you may have seen a recent request for information around demand side management.
[1:17:40] This is an initiative that's been underway for some time.
[1:17:44] We're looking to get feedback from the market around both behavioral and signal-led
[1:17:54] demand-side management.
[1:17:57] Being able to give customers tools and we're going to talk in a moment about sort of
[1:18:01] where pressures on customers for adjusting to off-peak and on-peak times are coming
[1:18:09] and really trying to give customers tools to be able to adjust to that.
[1:18:13] While also trying to manage some of those net peak demands that are on the grid, reducing load,
[1:18:19] so that we're not conducting energy policy by text message, which is what we saw last summer.
[1:18:26] The next piece, similar issue here, the 3CE has moved forward with a proposal to the Department of Energy.
[1:18:38] for microgrid build-outs for resiliency and rural areas.
[1:18:43] We have two proposals that we've put forward with positive reviews from the Department of Energy.
[1:18:48] We'll be putting together formal proposals that will be submitted likely by the end of the summer.
[1:18:54] And that's a really interesting kind of opportunity to look at how microgrids can help provide resiliency in rural areas that are prone to shut-offs.
[1:19:03] The structure really allows us to do it because of the federal funding, because of S-GIP funding.
[1:19:12] We're not placing that demand to that high cost of building a rural microgrid across all customers.
[1:19:19] We're able to offset a significant amount of that cost.
[1:19:24] So I'll continue to update you all on sort of the overall progress of those applications.
[1:19:31] And then a really significant issue that I think deserves some discussion is the income
[1:19:38] graduated to fixed charges.
[1:19:40] This right now is a proposal from the CEC and the Commission.
[1:19:46] I'm sorry, I think it's just the Commission not the CEC.
[1:19:49] But the IOUs have proposed a structure.
[1:19:52] It would fall entirely on the delivery side of the bill, but you would have a fixed portion
[1:19:57] of the bill and then a volumetric portion of the bill with income graduation around how that
[1:20:02] gets applied. So that's the structure. It's interesting I think for us to follow it very closely
[1:20:10] for a number of reasons, we want to make sure that we continue to have an apples, apples,
[1:20:15] comparison on generation charges. So what's being included in that is a significant issue.
[1:20:21] The more significant issue I think is how are you determining those income levels and how you
[1:20:27] gonna validate the income levels, and that's really significant because as energy policy
[1:20:32] is moving towards a fixed price plus volumetric with income graduation around the fixed
[1:20:38] price component, the how you set the levels and then how you verify the levels is going
[1:20:45] to carry over to the CCA, CCA, CCA, because the IOU is really going to be setting the model
[1:20:53] for what that future might look like.
[1:20:55] So we're very engaged in the regulatory side.
[1:20:58] It's an important conversation
[1:21:01] in terms of how that's going to play out.
[1:21:03] And we need to be paying very close attention to it.
[1:21:06] And that's on top of the CEC proposal
[1:21:09] for real-time rates that would follow the current sort of wholesale
[1:21:15] market rate being dispatched at the QISO,
[1:21:19] which is following, I think, trying to encourage customers
[1:21:23] to use energy in the right periods of time when solar, renewable, cost-effective energy is
[1:21:30] plentiful and moving away from those evening hours. But again, that's a really significant
[1:21:35] issue because the majority of customers are not following the wholesale market price in the
[1:21:41] real time. And the majority of customers don't have the tools, whether they're residential or
[1:21:46] industry, to really meaningfully shift load between those two without significant planning.
[1:21:52] So, those two issues, I think we need to monitor very closely, make sure that we're communicating
[1:21:58] with customers and try to develop tools.
[1:22:00] The customers can utilize to be able to respond to those regulatory signals that are coming
[1:22:05] down the pipe.
[1:22:07] I'm happy to take any questions, Chair.
[1:22:13] We have any questions from that council.
[1:22:17] Councilmember Norton.
[1:22:20] Rob, I'm really interested in those rural microgrids that you're working on.
[1:22:25] I understand from your comments that the initial, the initial proposal to DOE was not favorably
[1:22:33] and that they invited and invited full-scale grant applications.
[1:22:38] Yes, you do.
[1:22:40] Well, that's great.
[1:22:41] I'm particularly interested in the one in San Juan with Houston.
[1:22:46] Also, those micro-grids, those micro-grid projects, are there opportunities for partnerships
[1:22:59] with labor, community groups, CBOs, things like that, is there go to be an opportunity
[1:23:06] or yeah, a way that different community groups can get involved in the signing and developing
[1:23:12] and those sub-grills?
[1:23:15] Well, around the sighting, especially, I think that's a really important conversation.
[1:23:20] Because of the DOE timeline, I think we have put the concept paper ahead of having some
[1:23:25] of those really important conversations.
[1:23:28] So, we continue to have those conversations and we're working with our local supervisors
[1:23:33] that represent the areas that make sure that we're getting in contact with the right community
[1:23:37] organizations.
[1:23:39] So, on sighting, that's a critical piece.
[1:23:41] On the other piece, and I have not yet had the opportunity to dig into all of the current funding requirements and restrictions.
[1:23:50] Most of the new IRA funding comes with restrictions that tie back to labor requirements.
[1:23:57] But as I referenced earlier, the goal I think of our policy would be around how to encourage hiring local at this scale, which is about five megawatts.
[1:24:08] How do we encourage local hire with contractors to do that?
[1:24:13] Yeah, that's great.
[1:24:15] Those are exciting, I think those are exciting projects.
[1:24:19] Also sort of the, as to the fixed cost conversation that you had.
[1:24:25] So the tools that are developing, I was very interested in the app that CVE managed to develop
[1:24:33] So, is there a possibility that we could develop something like that to help our customers actually
[1:24:41] watch and manage and understand what their usage is to sort of reduce the peak usage?
[1:24:50] Yeah, there are current tools I believe with through CalPine, our data vendor to be able to manage those, not in the app format.
[1:24:58] I think our chief communications officer behind me has lots of plans for how apps can be utilized
[1:25:06] to put customers directly in communication with us.
[1:25:11] There are really, I think, two primary hurdles you got to get over.
[1:25:15] One was referenced earlier, which is the digital divide.
[1:25:18] How can you get folks, whether it's low-income folks, or whether it's folks that are on
[1:25:23] fixed-income, or just people that don't utilize technology in that space?
[1:25:28] How do you get them comfortable and get the technology in their hands and then the the primary the second issue that I think we need to think about is
[1:25:38] Have lost my turn. Oh, just signing up just getting customers to
[1:25:43] Engage to sign up originally. I think the numbers you heard from Silicon Valley with their pie that was around 50,000 and now it's or 80,000 and now it's about a hundred thousand customers
[1:25:53] Trying to get that at scale becomes a real challenge and that just takes time marketing and making it really useful.
[1:26:00] So the planning design of that's a really critical step.
[1:26:06] Do we have some more questions from the Council?
[1:26:09] Council Member Snodgrass.
[1:26:11] Rob, I noticed in natural gas prices have normalized over the last six months.
[1:26:17] Is there an opportunity to lock in some long-term rate contracts that will mitigate the ups and downs of the energy market?
[1:26:26] That's exactly our hedging strategy.
[1:26:29] There's two components.
[1:26:31] A lot of that is being fed by a really robust water year.
[1:26:37] So you're going to have a lot of hydrogen generation,
[1:26:39] which is driving down the cost of natural gas.
[1:26:41] Early in the spring there was a lot of analysis and
[1:26:44] question around how PG&E in particular was moving.
[1:26:48] Natural gas from storage to a category called working gas.
[1:26:52] And how potentially moving that away from storage was putting PG&E on the Razor's Edge of the filling season so that there'd be enough for next winter.
[1:27:02] Next winter will drive really where we'll see natural gas prices going.
[1:27:07] But our energy risk management policy requires it's a step down provision.
[1:27:12] I think in the current year, this year we have to be hedged between 90 and 110% of our total demand.
[1:27:19] Next year, today we're had somewhere around 85% to 95% of next year's obligation and when we hit the calendar year, we've rolled up to the next obligation and it steps down over five years.
[1:27:33] So we're doing exactly that thing.
[1:27:35] The issue is even at the relatively reduced prices that we are seeing now, the energy prices are still pretty significant because of the projections for the out years.
[1:27:47] The current year is really about summer demand and that's driving a lot of the high prices
[1:27:53] But we're primarily hedged now for that as we move in the future years our risk really becomes around
[1:28:00] The shape of the energy needs and buying energy for just limited hours because we're really robust in those solar hours
[1:28:08] But that is exactly the strategy.
[1:28:16] I'm not seeing other questions. So I'm going to ask a couple for you
[1:28:21] The rural microgrids are those directed at municipal loads only or are they directed with a goal of serving the entire community?
[1:28:31] It's the community.
[1:28:33] It's the community.
[1:28:34] And for resiliency not so not serving the communities primary load but serving the communities load during an outage event.
[1:28:44] Thank you.
[1:28:53] I guess that's it.
[1:28:55] Thanks.
[1:28:56] Thank you for your report.
[1:28:57] I think at this time, we will take a 15-minute break.
[1:29:01] I'm sorry.
[1:29:04] There is.
[1:29:06] Pardon me?
[1:29:07] Oh.
[1:29:08] Thank you very much.
[1:29:10] Is there any public comment, Clerk Valle, on this item?
[1:29:15] No public comments here.
[1:29:16] Thank you.
[1:29:17] Thanks for that.
[1:29:18] I'm Richard.
[1:29:19] At this time, we'll take a 15-minute break.
[1:29:21] There's dinner in the kitchen.
[1:29:25] So we will reconvene
[1:29:33] 547.
[1:30:49] I remember
[1:30:52] the
[1:31:20] conversation that we had about it.
[1:31:25] I'll email him right now.
[1:32:16] I'm really excited about the presentation.
[1:32:19] I'm hoping that you have some sort of motion.
[1:32:22] Oh, oh, you're a law.
[1:32:25] He hasn't animated it.
[1:32:26] I'm a slide.
[1:32:28] So, can I edit it?
[1:32:29] Is there more than a water he did?
[1:32:30] I'm very excited to be here.
[1:32:32] I hope it's a lot of that special.
[1:32:33] Please.
[1:32:49] And they can't even get into the other program.
[1:32:51] And we have that in my heart for district's cemetery districts.
[1:33:44] But I don't have to raise up.
[1:33:48] Well, I know, but then there'd be that weird long, long, long, long, long thing of what I publish.
[1:33:52] I'm not the middle.
[1:33:56] I just can't cut the middle of it.
[1:33:59] It's true, it's the other.
[1:34:02] It's, I don't mind.
[1:34:12] But, yes, I like that I never stress when we start on the board.
[1:34:18] But, like I look at works.
[1:34:19] This train has a port that we call it.
[1:34:21] I hope I can drive it back.
[1:34:23] I hope I can do that.
[1:34:25] Yeah, plug.
[1:34:26] Yes.
[1:34:27] I mean, I think that, you know, strangely, again, on the other side, there are more
[1:34:33] than one, and I'm not really interested in one, more than one-special districts, which
[1:34:38] still can be better larger than our number of agencies, and cities, but they're mostly
[1:35:29] She gave an office and I was asking her.
[1:35:32] And she gave the papers the papers but they were not going to get.
[1:35:35] And I didn't think of anything.
[1:35:40] I was going to get a little more of the papers.
[1:35:42] And I was going to give them a show.
[1:35:45] And I heard that film out of the structure.
[1:35:47] She was trying to protect the museum in a moment.
[1:35:49] And she had so much of the attention cuts for the entire family.
[1:35:53] She had no sense of what she did.
[1:35:55] Fireworks.
[1:35:56] Good stuff.
[1:35:58] So I'm going to go and do my homework.
[1:36:21] Thank you so much, I hope you all have a good time.
[1:36:26] Thank you so much.
[1:36:27] Thank you so much.
[1:36:32] Thank you so much.
[1:36:32] Thank you so much.
[1:36:38] How's it going?
[1:36:48] I'm already wondering if I can do it.
[1:36:53] I think it's just a pair of things.
[1:36:55] I don't know if you can.
[1:36:57] It's not the type of flight.
[1:36:59] You know what they do.
[1:37:02] Although.
[1:37:03] It's like I've once played up to it.
[1:37:05] These kind of stuff, I don't know what the sex is.
[1:38:26] I want to take you from the geostation of this part of the subject.
[1:38:30] Can you hear another thing that you must believe in?
[1:38:33] Can you hear another thing that you must believe in?
[1:38:35] Can you hear another thing that you must believe in?
[1:49:08] On the fiscal year 2223 energy programs,
[1:49:19] I believe that energy program manager dampered holdy is going to provide this report for us tonight.
[1:49:28] Thank you chair cap rain members of the CAC. I'm going to take a bit of a different approach for this presentation than I have in past meetings.
[1:49:38] Instead of going over the performance of every active program,
[1:49:42] I'm going to focus on a few programs we want to highlight for you today,
[1:49:45] particularly around building electrification and some newer member agency programs.
[1:49:52] You'll find an update on all programs in the attachments to the staff report,
[1:49:56] and I'm happy to answer questions to those programs as well.
[1:50:03] So first, starting with community programs,
[1:50:06] And you electrify your home program, so as you know, this is a midstream program to provide contractors with incentives to go out and do HVAC and hot water heater electrification projects.
[1:50:21] Since the start of this program in the summer of 2022, we have paid out over $380,000 in rebates and there's another $78,000 in incentives awaiting approval for already completed projects.
[1:50:34] And we have also reserved about $165,000 in funding for soon to be completed electrification projects.
[1:50:45] So this graph shows cumulative growth as well as incremental increases from month to month since the program started.
[1:50:54] Since last year, we see this program picking up steam with more completed projects and we
[1:51:01] are seeing this trend line going up.
[1:51:05] Not represented in this graph are the projects that are being tracked in a pipeline by
[1:51:10] our program partners and in coordination with 3C ran and their program partners.
[1:51:16] Right now there are 22 multifamily projects in that pipeline that represent over 2,300 units.
[1:51:23] Well, not all of these projects are going to participate in the program. Many of them will.
[1:51:29] They are expected to be completed in the coming year or two years as these are a large scale projects that do take time.
[1:51:36] And so we will see a lot more action for multifamily projects with this program in the future.
[1:51:44] What is likely to add to the multifamily pipeline is the relaunch of the Tech Clean California Initiative for multifamily buildings,
[1:51:52] which, through its high profile launch later this month, should reinvigorate interest in the
[1:52:00] Electrifier Home program for multi-family buildings across our service area. This is the benefit
[1:52:06] to working with the third-party implementer who is working on both the tech and Electrifier Home programs.
[1:52:17] This graph shows the number of completed projects per county,
[1:52:23] As well as the percentage breakdown of heat pump HVAC projects versus heat pump water heater projects.
[1:52:31] While there are fewer projects being completed in slow and Santa Barbara counties,
[1:52:36] most of the traction we are seeing within multi-family in that multi-family building pipeline that I just referred to is down south.
[1:52:45] So these projects take longer and so our prediction is that the number of projects we are seeing in the Southern counties
[1:52:51] will grow significantly in the coming year. Also, most of the multi-family projects in that pipeline
[1:52:59] are heat pump water heater replacement projects, both unitary and central heat pump water heater
[1:53:07] projects. We expect the proportion of water heater projects to increase as well in that breakdown.
[1:53:19] On this slide, we wanted to provide you with the list of contractors who have been active in the electrifier home program.
[1:53:26] Most of these contractors are doing multiple projects across the area that they service.
[1:53:32] While the number of total enrolled contractors has grown slowly since the initial launch of the program last summer,
[1:53:39] the number of actively participating contractors has grown.
[1:53:43] This is due to the efforts of our staff, specifically our energy programs analyst Kevin Miller,
[1:53:50] as well as our third party implement our team, our communications and outreach staff,
[1:53:55] and support from community-based organizations as well as customers through Word of Mouth.
[1:54:02] Existing building electrification is hard.
[1:54:06] Consistent engagement with contractors and stakeholders is really one of the keys
[1:54:10] to long term success of this program.
[1:54:16] Another 3CE program that benefits from consistent engagement
[1:54:19] with stakeholders is our new construction
[1:54:21] electrification program.
[1:54:23] This program provides housing developers
[1:54:25] with incentives to build all electric housing,
[1:54:28] both affordable and form worker housing,
[1:54:30] as well as private homeowners to build all electric ADUs.
[1:54:36] We've approved a total of 385,000 in funding to date,
[1:54:42] which includes 128 affordable multifamily units and 13 ADUs for this fiscal year.
[1:54:50] Just in the past month we approved two new affordable housing projects, both in Santa Barbara County,
[1:54:57] which comprise of about 68 new housing units that will receive funding.
[1:55:02] 11 of those units are slated to be recuperative care units.
[1:55:07] So, this means that these units will be reserved for formally unhoused people being discharged
[1:55:16] from hospital, from the hospital, and other medical facilities that need homes to recover.
[1:55:26] I'm going to move into some of our member agency service programs.
[1:55:32] So, on June 1st, we launched the plan your fleet program with our program implementer Optony.
[1:55:39] This program provides technical assistance to member agencies for their fleet electrification planning.
[1:55:47] The service is entirely free to our member agencies, and it is open to all of the cities and counties.
[1:55:53] This is especially helpful for member agencies to comply with California's Progressive Zero Missions goals,
[1:56:00] like the advanced clean fleet regulations that just took into effect recently.
[1:56:10] The services provided to our member agencies include EV replacement planning.
[1:56:16] This is for our member agencies who don't have fleet manager or who don't have a plan or
[1:56:20] a policy for fleet transitioning to develop an EV fleet replacement plan.
[1:56:28] They provide EV charging needs assessment.
[1:56:33] This looks at fleet inventories and member agency goals to determine what their charging needs
[1:56:38] might be, they'll provide charging installation plans.
[1:56:43] So here, Optony, Optony will do facility assessments,
[1:56:47] look at the electrical capacity of different sites,
[1:56:50] identify suitable locations for chargers
[1:56:52] and other technical assistance tasks
[1:56:54] to help our member agencies plan for EV infrastructure.
[1:56:58] They'll provide permit ready plans.
[1:57:00] So this equipped our member agencies with construction,
[1:57:04] engineering documents that the agency can use in a public bid
[1:57:08] to hire contractors for installation services.
[1:57:12] They'll provide funding overviews
[1:57:14] for where member agencies will learn about incentives
[1:57:17] that can help pay for what they need.
[1:57:20] And then finally, an energy optimization plan
[1:57:23] for each project,
[1:57:25] Optany will provide a charging schedule
[1:57:28] and optimization plan that can help them
[1:57:31] with managed charging to control energy cost
[1:57:34] related to EV infrastructure.
[1:57:39] And for the broadband access initiative, I'm going to hand the mic over to Mr. Cruiser.
[1:57:46] Thank you.
[1:57:53] Thanks, Dan.
[1:57:55] So I'll give a quick overview of one of our member agency services that is not a program,
[1:58:03] but an initiative that we've been working on together with two members of the Community Advisory
[1:58:08] Council, Wayne Norton and Heather Allen, who are serving on our ad hoc committee.
[1:58:18] So the first thing I will reiterate are the goals of this initiative that we set out from
[1:58:25] with the beginning of the year.
[1:58:26] So the idea was to have a regional approach with this initiative to serve a minimum of two
[1:58:32] counties or two regions.
[1:58:34] I'll tell you a little bit more about that when I get to where we're at today, but I'm delighted
[1:58:41] to report that I think we're going to be able to serve essentially the vast majority or
[1:58:46] large parts of our entire service area through the planned approach.
[1:58:51] Another goal was to address economic development, create employment opportunities, and to
[1:58:56] address digital equity, which, as we've discussed tonight, is a major consideration for a lot
[1:59:04] of our initiatives.
[1:59:05] And lastly, is to really drive customer engagement to enable customers' ability to participate
[1:59:13] access and apply to our programs, and others, and to support future demand response activities.
[1:59:22] The approach that we took through this initiative was a bit different. Rather than taking
[1:59:29] like a conventional competitive grant application style design or something like that,
[1:59:35] what we've been doing is partnering directly with the regional broadband consortia. There are two
[1:59:41] of them, one in the south that works with Ventura Santa Barbara and San Luis Vespo County
[1:59:47] and one in the north that works with San Benito, Santa Cruz and Monterey counties, and
[1:59:53] they're implemented by the regional economic partners in this case EDC and M-Bep.
[1:59:59] We've been part-
[2:00:00] Staring with them and our member agencies to identify potential projects that ultimately advance the goals that I just identified.
[2:00:08] And importantly, leverage the significant work that those consortia and those economic agencies have already done.
[2:00:15] Lots of grants have been one, lots of research has been done and lots of the ability to leverage state and federal knowledge around how to advance broadband goals.
[2:00:27] As I mentioned, we established an ad hoc committee that's been working with us.
[2:00:32] We just had our fourth and final meeting with them.
[2:00:37] We've created a memorandum of understanding that we'll be utilizing with our member agency partners.
[2:00:45] And we'll be, again, speaking of a little bit of an unconventional approach.
[2:00:50] The idea here is to make this easy for our member agencies.
[2:00:53] So we're going to be providing the funding up front, by and large, these member agencies are going to be acting as fiscal agents or fiscal sponsors in supporting these efforts.
[2:01:06] Ultimately, the work is going to be done on the ground by those by community-based organizations, which I'll mention in a moment,
[2:01:15] and those regional broadband consortia partners and their staff.
[2:01:20] Finally, the member agencies themselves will deliver at the end of these initiatives of these projects,
[2:01:27] a final report to 3CE and we look forward in the future to return to the council and share those results with you.
[2:01:36] There's a lot of information on this slide, but ultimately what it does is provide a detailed picture of this partnership arrangement
[2:01:47] that ultimately is between 3CE, a member agency, an economic development agency, a regional broadband consortia,
[2:01:55] a community-based organization, one or more, and gives you a very high-level take,
[2:02:02] or look at the proposed scope of work that will be engaged upon by these trusted community-based organizations on the ground.
[2:02:12] In the north,
[2:02:16] it is a very interesting organization called Loves Computers and Fishes.
[2:02:24] And in the south, I am realizing right now that you don't have the full names in front of you.
[2:02:36] And I am embarrassingly forgetting the names of these organizations.
[2:02:40] I'll bring them up here in a second, but in the meantime, I'll let you view this.
[2:02:53] And I think while I bring those up for you, that wraps our presentation this evening for
[2:02:59] this item, and we'll take any questions.
[2:03:04] Thank you, Dan and John.
[2:03:08] Do we have some questions?
[2:03:11] Council Member Snodgrass.
[2:03:14] So, a question on the electrification projects.
[2:03:18] There's a large H2A housing project going in in the community of Pahro.
[2:03:24] It has the Avala reached out to you folks to see what kind of rebate so you can get.
[2:03:31] Can you repeat the name of the organization?
[2:03:34] Avala construction?
[2:03:37] To my knowledge, they have not reached out.
[2:03:40] John, have you?
[2:03:42] Not that I'm aware of.
[2:03:43] Because that's a brand new Greenfield project.
[2:03:46] And it would seem that maybe we should be reaching out to some of the developers, not solo
[2:03:55] to Ed and Gonzales, there's 5,000 homes they want to build over 20 years.
[2:04:00] And there's also a project that's just now starting to resist head where they're going
[2:04:06] to put 200 manufacturer homes at the Power of Golf Course.
[2:04:18] Councilmember, it's Devon.
[2:04:19] Hey, Dan, thanks for the presentation.
[2:04:21] And I couldn't really see the graphics, but on the electifier home, you had Gray and Yellow,
[2:04:30] where those cumulative of the reserve plus paid, and do you have a breakout of what was
[2:04:37] completed?
[2:04:38] Like what's in and working?
[2:04:42] Yeah, thank you for that question, because remember Stembin, so the gray bars on that graph
[2:04:50] represent the incremental increase in that just in that month, and then the orange or yellow bars
[2:04:56] represent the cumulative for that month. So I believe, and I'm going to look to my colleague Kevin,
[2:05:08] I believe that all of the projects represented in that graph are completed, and they have been
[2:05:20] actually received funding. So all of the reserved projects or the projects in that pipeline
[2:05:26] that I referred to, those are not represented in that graph. Thank you.
[2:05:38] Looking for any further questions from the council. I had a question about the broadband initiative.
[2:05:44] Is there a projection of how much funding would be going into that for both this fiscal year and next
[2:05:51] school year?
[2:05:56] Yes, and before I forget the names of the two partner community-based organizations
[2:06:01] in the south are the American GI Forum Education Foundation, AGIF and the Women's Economic
[2:06:08] Ventures, WEV. The total budget for the broadband access initiatives from fiscal year 2223 is
[2:06:18] $150,000, so each one of these sort of intentionally designed sort of sister arrangements that are both going to move forward concurrently will get equal amount of $75,000.
[2:06:35] Thank you.
[2:06:42] Last call for questions on this item from the Council.
[2:06:46] Yes.
[2:07:15] Thanks for your question.
[2:07:16] I can't speak to a partnership, but I can certainly follow up on it.
[2:07:20] aware of that initiative, and that it is very much the focus of it being infrastructure.
[2:07:27] That strategically is not our focus because we felt that in that world of infrastructure
[2:07:36] in which the numbers are in the millions and billions, we would be best served to make
[2:07:42] our funding go the farthest, working in the areas of adoption and accessibility in this
[2:07:48] in digital literacy, but I'll certainly follow up. Thanks for the question.
[2:07:56] Councilmember Norton?
[2:07:58] Yeah, I think this comment question might actually fit better into the next agenda item,
[2:08:04] but I think we learned a lot with this broadband initiative.
[2:08:09] I think we learned a lot of things about what needs to be done and things that maybe don't need to be done.
[2:08:15] But I'm hoping that this isn't the end of the broadband initiative, and that's why I think maybe it's better place in the next next agenda, but I hope that we can continue to work on
[2:08:28] broadband accessibility and all the goals that we certainly with 150,000 dollars didn't solve all the issues.
[2:08:35] So I hope that we have opportunity to keep this momentum going and work on it again in coming years.
[2:08:44] Thank you.
[2:08:47] Not seeing any further questions.
[2:08:50] Clerk Valdor, we have any public comment on this item.
[2:08:52] No public comment, Chair.
[2:08:54] Thank you. So then we can move forward to our next agenda item, which is the following year
[2:09:00] 2023-2024 programs. Director Griscer.
[2:09:13] Good evening.
[2:09:17] Okay. I am delighted this evening to tell you a bit about our anticipated fiscal
[2:09:23] year 2324 Energy Programs portfolio.
[2:09:30] During this presentation, I'll provide a brief overview of the anticipated portfolio that
[2:09:35] staff will administer and or implement next year.
[2:09:39] My presentation will cover portfolio design and implementation strategy as well as provide
[2:09:44] a high-level overview of both our community programs and member agency services.
[2:09:49] To help set the stage for our anticipated Fiscal Year 23-24 portfolio, I'm going to briefly
[2:09:59] describe the strategy informing our current Fiscal Year portfolio.
[2:10:08] The driving design and implementation strategy behind 3CE's Fiscal Year 22-23 energy
[2:10:15] programs portfolio was and is doing what we do better.
[2:10:20] We've done, we've taken this incremental improvement approach by making improvements to existing
[2:10:26] successful programs and by making them better by adding new programs where necessary based
[2:10:33] on a variety of inputs that you see here and making incremental changes within programs that
[2:10:40] I'll describe in a moment.
[2:10:43] These improvements were made in fiscal year 2223 that were both external
[2:10:48] or customer facing and internal or administrative in nature, external changes included adding new measures to broaden the range and depth of our offerings.
[2:11:01] A great example of this is moving into DC fast charging as a standalone measure.
[2:11:07] New services to respond to more community needs and opportunities.
[2:11:13] An example of this being the Concierge Style Technical Assistance that we now offer across a variety of programs.
[2:11:21] And new customer segments so that our agency can serve more customers through our programs.
[2:11:27] Examples of this include farm worker housing and residential accessory dwelling units under our new construction program.
[2:11:37] Internal improvements included increasing our utilization of third-party vendors to support program implementation,
[2:11:45] improving our use of our customer relationship management platform to communicate better with program applicants,
[2:11:53] and working more closely with our communications and outreach department to support program launches and community engagement.
[2:12:00] In the case of member agency services in fiscal year 2223, it completely redesigning one program and designing a suite of new programs to accelerate fleet wide electrification and vehicle charging infrastructure.
[2:12:17] The
[2:12:20] fiscal year 23, 24 energy programs portfolio aims to increase customer participation
[2:12:27] and grow the impact of our programs on our customer's lives and the communities in which
[2:12:34] they live and work. 3CE will continue to strengthen its support of underserved customers and
[2:12:42] communities, increase its focus on areas where it can catalyze market transformation, and
[2:12:50] technology adoption, and drive the fastest emission reductions, and expand its support for
[2:12:57] customers and businesses that have been adversely impacted by declared disasters driven by climate
[2:13:04] change.
[2:13:09] Consistent with previous years, 3CE will continue to improve the design, implementation,
[2:13:13] an outreach of existing programs by adding new or refining existing measures, services, and customer segments.
[2:13:20] Likewise, we will continue to grow our utilization of third-party vendors to support program
[2:13:26] implementation where appropriate. Finally, the 23-24 Energy Programs portfolio will include
[2:13:34] one new program focused on demand-side management.
[2:13:40] Now let's talk a bit about the individual programs.
[2:13:44] In fiscal year 2324, 3CE will administer a portfolio of 10 energy programs including 6 community and 4 member agency programs.
[2:13:58] First, I'll provide an overview of the 6 community programs energy programs that you see here.
[2:14:04] My focus will primarily be on any anticipated changes to existing programs that are intended to increase the impact of our programs
[2:14:13] as well as on the one new program aforementioned.
[2:14:20] Electrify your ride.
[2:14:22] Over the past three years, three CE's Electrify your ride program.
[2:14:28] Has helped customers purchase more than 1500 new and use electric vehicles and helped build
[2:14:35] more than a thousand new electric vehicle charging stations in our region.
[2:14:41] This year's Electrifier Ride program is on track to display more than 2,000 metric tons of greenhouse gas emissions.
[2:14:51] The Fiscal Year 2223 Electrifier Ride program also expanded to include DC fast charger incentive.
[2:15:00] And concierge style technical assistance to support multi-family and publicly accessible commercial customers.
[2:15:09] Next year, the Electrify Your Ride Program will remain the same.
[2:15:15] Staff, however, will be developing an RFP and seeking a third-party vendor to provide a variety of implementation services in support of 3CE staff and customers.
[2:15:25] The exact contents and timing of the RFP, procurement, and and and even better electrify
[2:15:32] your ride program are still very much in the works.
[2:15:39] Electric Bus The fiscal year 2324 Electric Bus Program will expand
[2:15:44] eligible customer segments once again to include and focus on public transit agencies.
[2:15:55] 3CE sees this as a critical opportunity to decrease greenhouse gas emissions and criteria
[2:16:02] air pollutants from diesel, support regional mass transit and partner with transit agencies
[2:16:09] on load management strategies that benefit the grid, transit operators and 3CE and its customers.
[2:16:20] Agilectrification. In the last two years, improvements to the Ag program, not only increased
[2:16:27] its impact on greenhouse gas emissions, but it also significantly increased its impact
[2:16:32] on small businesses throughout our service area. The fiscal year 2223 Ag program also expanded
[2:16:41] to include DC fast charger incentives and concierge-style technical assistance.
[2:16:49] In fiscal
[2:16:49] year 2324 anticipated changes to the AG program will be subtle, but significant.
[2:16:57] 3CE will offer extended reservations for farms impacted by flooding, and enhanced incentives
[2:17:06] for victims, for customers who are victims of officially declared natural disasters, like
[2:17:11] those experienced in Paharo and other parts of Monterey and Santa Cruz County this past
[2:17:17] winter. Electrify your home.
[2:17:23] The Fiscal Year 2223 Electrify your home program has been a story
[2:17:28] of market transformation and technology adoption.
[2:17:34] As you heard in Mr. Bertoldi's presentation,
[2:17:38] this program started out slowly and experienced setbacks. However, as more contractors and homeowners
[2:17:46] become familiar with heat pumps and their benefits. And as the state and federal government passed
[2:17:52] legislation and increased funding, the number of projects has grown steadily and significantly.
[2:17:59] Like electrify your ride, next year's the fiscal year 2324 electrify your home program will
[2:18:06] remain the same. With one exception of offering enhanced incentives for victims of officially declared
[2:18:13] natural disasters. And like electrify your ride, staff will be developing an RFP and seeking
[2:18:20] a third-party vendor to provide a variety of implementation services in support of 3CE staff
[2:18:26] and customers. And again, like electrify your ride, the exact contents and timing of the RFP,
[2:18:32] procurement, and and improved electrify your home program are still in the works.
[2:18:40] New Construction Electrification, over the past four years, 3CE's new construction electrification program has helped fund the construction of over 2,000 housing units across our region, with the vast majority of them being affordable housing.
[2:18:59] In fiscal year 2223, the program expanded to serve farm worker housing and residential accessory dwelling units.
[2:19:08] The latter of which has been another story of regional market transformation.
[2:19:14] In fiscal year 2324, 3CE anticipates increasing the incentive levels per unit,
[2:19:20] and the incentive cap per project for affordable and farm worker housing projects for the first time in four years.
[2:19:30] Like the Ag and Electrify Your Home Programs, the new construction electrification program will offer enhanced incentives for customers who are victims of officially declared natural disasters.
[2:19:45] demand side management.
[2:19:50] The fiscal year 23 24 energy programs portfolio will include
[2:19:54] one new program focused on demand side management. Through this program, 3CE is seeking
[2:20:01] to shave or shift customer energy loads during periods of high-grid stress and or when energy
[2:20:08] is most expensive and dirtiest. As a part of a recent demand side management initiative,
[2:20:14] staff have been conducting research, receiving vendor interviews, and demos, and investigating
[2:20:20] potential program concepts implemented by other CCAs.
[2:20:25] We also recently issued a request for information on June 1st.
[2:20:32] 3CE's fiscal year 2324 demand-side management solutions are anticipated to include both
[2:20:38] active and passive strategies to load modification that create benefits for both customers
[2:20:44] and the CCA while contributing to a more stable grid during peak events.
[2:20:52] Demand side management may also be the potential focus for the fiscal year 2324 Community Advisory
[2:20:59] Council, Work Plan, and Study Sessions.
[2:21:04] Now I'm going to shift to member agency services
[2:21:08] and provide an overview of the four energy programs that 3CE will continue to offer to its member
[2:21:15] agencies.
[2:21:21] Reach code. Redesigned and relaunched late in fiscal year 2021-22. 3CE's Reach
[2:21:28] Code program provides technical assistance and stakeholder outreach and engagement support
[2:21:32] to member agencies. The program has been actively supporting several member agencies pursuing
[2:21:39] a variety of policy approaches, addressing new construction and existing building electrification
[2:21:44] as well as charging infrastructure. In partnership with the Tri-County Regional Energy Network or 3C
[2:21:52] Ren and Southern California Edison, 3CE is also supporting three member agencies in Santa Barbara County
[2:21:59] pursuing reach codes. No changes are anticipated for the fiscal year 2324 reach code program.
[2:22:09] Electrify your fleet.
[2:22:12] The Electrify your fleet program is the first of three new member agency transportation
[2:22:17] electrification programs that were strategically designed to create a nested suite of programs.
[2:22:26] Electrify your fleet is intended to accelerate fleet-wide electrification across the 3CE service area.
[2:22:33] Incentive levels are designed by weight class in alignment with state and federal definitions.
[2:22:38] Member agencies can apply for direct rebates for completed purchase or lease and or reservation
[2:22:45] of funds for eligible, light, medium and heavy duty battery electric vehicles.
[2:22:52] There are no anticipated changes for the fiscal year 2324 Electrifier Fleet program.
[2:23:00] Charge your fleet.
[2:23:01] The charge of fleet program is intended to accelerate the development of electric charging infrastructure
[2:23:07] across the 3C service area. This program, like electrifier fleet, provides
[2:23:13] memor agencies with direct rebates for completed purchase and installation and
[2:23:19] or reservation of funds for level 2 and level 3 or DC fast charging, electric
[2:23:25] vehicle service equipment, including covering the time materials and work
[2:23:30] us required to install those chargers at memor agency sites. And those for
[2:23:36] It's important to note those chargers can be used for, in a behind-the-gate application,
[2:23:42] just for that Memboratian Seas fleet.
[2:23:44] It can also be used for employees, and it can also be used for the public or some creative combination
[2:23:51] thereof.
[2:23:51] That is at the discretion of the Memboratian Seas.
[2:23:56] Like electrify your fleet, no changes are anticipated for the fiscal year 23-24 Charger Fleet
[2:24:03] program.
[2:24:04] Very lastly, and mentioned already this evening by Mr. Bertoldi, just launched on June 1st,
[2:24:14] the Plan Your Fleet Program completes three-sease trifecta of member agency transportation
[2:24:19] electrification programs.
[2:24:21] This program offers technical assistance to member agencies as a complete menu of services, including
[2:24:27] fleet replacement and procurement planning, charging, project planning, design and engineering,
[2:24:32] charging schedule and optimization planning and a funding plan for each project.
[2:24:39] Like electrifier fleet and charge fleet, no changes are anticipated for the fiscal year 23-24
[2:24:45] plan your fleet program.
[2:24:49] That concludes my presentation this evening.
[2:24:52] I think you more or less could see the trend that the majority of changes that are anticipated
[2:24:57] are on the side of the portfolio that we refer to as community energy programs.
[2:25:02] I'm happy to take any questions that you have.
[2:25:06] Thank you, Director Greaser, and Council Member Snowdress.
[2:25:11] Good presentation, John.
[2:25:13] Quick question on the incentives for electrified or fleet.
[2:25:20] Are you considering a higher level of incentive if the charging station is open to the public?
[2:25:26] is a, in addition to the fleet that's, by the number of agencies?
[2:25:35] The incentives right now, we have not today, the incentives right now for
[2:25:40] charger fleet are based upon the type of charging infrastructure,
[2:25:48] that being
[2:25:48] either level two or level three infrastructure and are not, and are not
[2:25:54] different based upon the use case at this time.
[2:25:57] But I appreciate the question,
[2:25:59] and certainly bring that back to the team.
[2:26:07] Council Member Norton.
[2:26:10] Thanks for the presentation, John.
[2:26:15] I'd like to suggest that the programs that I've
[2:26:20] considered including special districts
[2:26:23] under the member services plans.
[2:26:26] We had, I was able to get Sophia and Gabe into the Ramos Water District, very small water district to talk about possibilities,
[2:26:41] and, you know, a lot of the logic that goes into providing incentives for memory agencies also applies to small special districts.
[2:26:50] Especially small, a lot of special districts are very small and need extended help for some
[2:26:56] of these things.
[2:26:58] And especially with little staff, some of the things like playing your fleet, sounds like
[2:27:03] a great program, some of these other services for member agencies would be really beneficial
[2:27:09] to special districts that just don't have their resources to do, some of that, some of
[2:27:15] that hard work.
[2:27:15] So I would encourage the staff to consider adding special districts to the member services
[2:27:22] portfolio.
[2:27:25] Thank you.
[2:27:28] And I see a hand up in Santa Maria.
[2:27:47] Wait, the electric bus program is exciting to see the effect in the science and bus
[2:27:51] and the effect in the transit points.
[2:27:56] When it comes to reducing emissions, it's not just about electrification, but it's also
[2:28:05] of reducing people miles traveled in the midst of use of vehicles and cars.
[2:28:12] And I know that some grains of incentives for buses around the country ask that Asian
[2:28:19] seas switch out or with a barrel of buses and how it would just say I hope that that doesn't
[2:28:24] mean something that we do here, because frankly, they're trying to basically be extended in
[2:28:30] service and I didn't want to waste and not simply using this as an opportunity to buy a
[2:28:37] Chinese Ubus as to replace at the same level of service, the old buses.
[2:28:43] I
[2:28:46] wanted to say that.
[2:28:47] And then on the electric player home program, I didn't want to ask a question.
[2:28:53] It's great to see that that program is finally growing.
[2:28:55] for the last three, but didn't look like on the 28th week,
[2:28:59] three programs that the most began with columns
[2:29:02] were really making a lot of progress.
[2:29:06] I didn't look like any money at that reserve,
[2:29:08] I didn't get it.
[2:29:09] And I was wondering, I guess,
[2:29:11] critical general of lots of animals,
[2:29:13] a family, although education and a charter for that matter,
[2:29:18] but also what, I
[2:29:22] guess,
[2:29:26] what differences there are and how
[2:29:28] and I need to be paying progress on thinking about that and seeing it as like it could even be the
[2:29:35] split incentive problem as it is entirely different,
[2:29:41] because it could be actually getting that money out to do something like
[2:29:45] on goal, why not? Things like that. So just wondering if you're about to level it to family.
[2:30:00] Assembly existing building electrification is one of the most complex and challenging spaces in electrification or decarbonization in existence.
[2:30:13] So I'll start by saying that the good news is that there needs to be and there is a business case.
[2:30:24] The decision making and sort of psychology behind decision making in this space is much more like that of a business.
[2:30:35] There's usually a sort of, there are usually capital improvement plans in place and these properties usually turn over every 15 or 20 years and the nature of the improvements are comprehensive for the tenants and common spaces from paint and floor coverings all the way through appliances.
[2:30:58] That's one comment, creates a tremendous opportunity for us to work with, sort of, an existing life cycle for these properties and for their owners and managers.
[2:31:11] I also think speaking of the sort of strategy this year around impact, we have, and most of, this is true in most of our service areas, a large number of our customers are renters and are living in multifamily.
[2:31:27] buildings and many of them are they're more likely to be underserved or hard to reach
[2:31:35] customers and therefore by by by addressing by focusing on multifamily way of
[2:31:41] a tremendous opportunity to accomplish many agency goals.
[2:31:47] I want to really
[2:31:48] highlight our partnership with the Tri-County Regional Energy Network or
[2:31:55] The vast majority of the multifamily projects that are currently in our lead or sales pipeline are in Santa Barbara and San Luis Vista County, and that's because of our partnership with 3C Ren.
[2:32:08] We are look forward to there being a rent in the future in the north, but we are seeing
[2:32:16] a lot of interest down there through that partnership, and the last thing I'll note is
[2:32:21] that Dan pointed out something that's tremendously important and that these projects take
[2:32:25] a long time to develop because of the margins, that these projects need to manage and operate
[2:32:33] on and the different considerations for multi-family property owners and managers. They tend
[2:32:41] to have a long project life cycle. So instead of it being a couple months for a single
[2:32:47] family homeowner to call a contractor, which may be a delay as well these days, but ultimately
[2:32:53] to install a water heater, it tends to be a couple of years. So that's another challenge and
[2:32:59] And that speaks to your point, council member or work about how they could be different programs.
[2:33:06] 3C ran managers, their single family and multi-family programs as two standing programs.
[2:33:11] We've chosen not to, and I'm not sure at this point that we need to, but it's a good
[2:33:17] point.
[2:33:20] You asked me to share my comments or my thoughts, that's what I tried to do.
[2:33:26] I'm not sure if I answered a question, however, let me know if I didn't.
[2:33:34] further questions from the council?
[2:33:39] Council member Sedan.
[2:33:42] Thanks, John.
[2:33:43] Good presentation.
[2:33:45] I just can't help but acknowledge that a lot of the programs you're running are very similar to what the district has.
[2:33:53] In fact, we've automated our vehicle incentive program and you're welcome to the software that we feel about for that.
[2:34:01] And we also have a fairly robust wood stove change up program now that we're receiving money from the state.
[2:34:06] And the state is forcing us over towards the mini-split duckless heaters so that we're getting away from combustion.
[2:34:14] And we've also automated that program and we're happy to share any information and many require for that.
[2:34:23] But it would be nice to team up. We're also doing school buses and transit buses.
[2:34:28] I think we're doing everything. We're also doing fleets.
[2:34:31] We're not doing the electrify your home except for the wood stove portion, so it's the extent I know we're not all five counties, but the extent that we can maybe match our monies to help for instance school districts pay for 100% of the bus because that's something we've been told repeatedly is they don't have even 10% to pay for these buses and then also we're doing a lot of infrastructure as well.
[2:35:00] So I think we can probably add values to each other's programs with some partnerships and
[2:35:07] certainly sharing information and we're happy to, we're also happy to steal from you
[2:35:11] if you've got some really good ideas too.
[2:35:15] So I just would encourage, I've told my staff to reach out to the inference since on the
[2:35:20] wood stove side of things because we've get a lot of demand and we're totally over subscribed
[2:35:26] on that program.
[2:35:27] So your assistance there would be of great interest in help to us as well.
[2:35:34] So that's what I'll say. Thank you.
[2:35:37] Thank you, Rich.
[2:35:42] Any more questions?
[2:35:44] I had a few questions and comments myself.
[2:35:49] Don't want to be a broker record, I think I've said this before in this room, but I have concerns.
[2:35:54] This is ironic coming for me. I career has been an affordable housing, but I have concerns about our ongoing
[2:36:03] I think it's a feel good program because I think most people recognize the crying need for affordable housing in our area in the whole five county area at this point, but I'd be surprised if any non-profits would build new projects with gas at this point, and I'm wondering if maybe those funds would be better directed at a program that I think you were alluding to John.
[2:36:29] And electrifying existing buildings where a lot of these affordable, multifamily, affordable projects
[2:36:37] go through a process every 15 years if they're tax credit projects and different schedules
[2:36:43] if they have other funding sources where they do a complete rehab on the project.
[2:36:47] And it's a perfect opportunity to go in and see unique opportunity.
[2:36:53] And it's rare that you have people going in and doing such a thorough rehab on a project.
[2:37:01] So I just think in general, I question whether it really is meeting our mission to be supporting
[2:37:07] affordable housing, although I think it's a worthy cause.
[2:37:12] If it doesn't also align with our mission, and I'm not sure that it does anymore, particularly
[2:37:17] with a new building code requiring that new construction be electric ready, which really makes
[2:37:24] it financially, totally unattractive to build things with gas anymore.
[2:37:31] Wanted to support what Council Member Norton said about special districts.
[2:37:36] I think that all of the same logic of support exists with them as with our member agencies.
[2:37:43] So it's something that we should be looking at.
[2:37:48] I'm wondering if in our, the two programs where we're, we're bringing in third party consultants support the electrify your ride program and electrify your home budget or programs.
[2:38:04] If we're going to be increasing the funding for those to help cover the cost of that consultant support and in general I'm wondering if you could give us any kind of big picture idea about what staff is thinking about funding levels.
[2:38:18] for programs in the next fiscal year.
[2:38:28] Thanks for your comments and questions.
[2:38:30] I noted your comment about the new construction program,
[2:38:37] and the likelihood that developers are building all electric anyhow.
[2:38:50] Regarding the two procurement efforts that I noted,
[2:38:53] I do want to note that one,
[2:38:56] that for one of those programs, electrify your home, we do currently have a third-party
[2:39:02] implementer, where for electrify your ride, we have, and this really, I feel compelled
[2:39:12] to, to thank Oswaldo Martinez, who is one of our, our analysts, because he has been instrumental
[2:39:23] to our ability to to automate and process thousands of applications and to be more responsive
[2:39:31] and have faster turnaround times on application review and providing checks to our customers
[2:39:36] than we have ever been. So the that program which we've been running in-house is one that we
[2:39:45] are contemplating, seeking third-party implementation support for.
[2:39:54] The
[2:39:57] weather or not budget will be included for those contracts or the budget for those
[2:40:04] implementation services has to do, it's either going to fall in this fiscal year or the following fiscal year.
[2:40:10] Either way, we're going to do the RFP and sort of procurement effort this year.
[2:40:14] The question really comes, when do we get under contract and launch?
[2:40:20] In the case of electrifier ride, it might be the very end of this year likely for electrifier
[2:40:25] home because of how much we're considering, more likely to fall into next year's budget.
[2:40:32] Regarding your budget question, I am reluctant to get out ahead of the policy board or
[2:40:40] CIO or CFO on this on this regard, we're in the obviously in the middle or the beginning,
[2:40:46] I should say, of the budgeting process internally, but I think it would be premature to
[2:40:50] paint a picture right now about those amounts for the portfolio or individual programs.
[2:40:58] Thank you for that.
[2:40:59] I'd also just like that I've said this before here too, but you talked about the challenges
[2:41:04] with developing electrification of existing buildings and developing programs to address
[2:41:11] that. And I'd really like to see some planning and thought to how we can really up. I think
[2:41:20] the program we have in place is good and it addresses part of the problem in terms of industry
[2:41:27] being there and ready to do what needs to be done in terms of installs. But I think the
[2:41:33] problem in terms of engaging the public and really getting significant movement on that because
[2:41:40] it is so physically difficult to accomplish is something we just need to have a major thrust
[2:41:47] on and really a separate program really, convincing people that they should be pre-wiring
[2:41:53] their houses so when their first goes out or their water heater goes out, they can just
[2:41:58] call someone up and get an electric one put in.
[2:42:01] Thank
[2:42:04] you.
[2:42:06] How's the member Norton?
[2:42:09] Excuse me, John, I just wanted to bring out the broadband issue.
[2:42:15] As I would say here, just thinking about the things that you said,
[2:42:18] and I wonder if the broadband goal could fit with the demand-side management effort
[2:42:28] because it's going to be difficult to do the management of the demand
[2:42:34] And if you don't have access to broadband or is potentially, so maybe there's an opportunity
[2:42:41] to work those two at partnership.
[2:42:52] Look, Fowl, do we have any public comment on this item?
[2:42:55] No public comment, Chair.
[2:42:58] Very well.
[2:43:00] Our last agenda item is any council member reports or comments.
[2:43:05] Any council members have comments?
[2:43:06] They want to share.
[2:43:12] All right.
[2:43:12] Well, thanks everyone for your participation tonight.
[2:43:15] And I think we're adjourned.