[17:38] SENSITCITY OF SARASOTA.
[17:43] CITY OF SARASOTA. CITY OF SARASOTA.
[17:46] CITY OF SARASOTA.
[28:47] [ SOUNDING GAVEL ] >>Mayor Alpert: ALL RIGHT,
[28:50] EVERYBODY. IT IS MONDAY, OCTOBER 20, 2025.
[28:54] I'M CALLING TO ORDER OUR REGULAR SARASOTA CITY COMMISSION
[28:58] MEETING. AND IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE IT YET,
[29:03] IF YOU WANT TO TURN OFF YOUR CELL PHONES OR PUT THEM ON
[29:06] SILENCE. I'M GOING TO ASK THE CITY
[29:08] AUDITOR AND CLERK FOR THE INVOCATION.
[29:10] >>Shayla Griggs: PLEASE STAND. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE AFFIRM OUR
[29:17] FAITH IN THEE. WE SEEK YOUR DIVINE STRENGTH,
[29:19] WISDOM AND GUIDANCE IN THE DELIBERATIONS THAT AFFECT THE
[29:21] LIVES OF EACH OF THE CITIZENS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
[29:24] IN THY NAME WE PRAY, AMEN. >>Mayor Alpert: COMMISSIONER
[29:27] AHEARN-KOCH, COULD YOU LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE?
[29:34] [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] >>Mayor Alpert: THANK YOU.
[29:45] ANY CHANGES TO THE ORDER OF THE DAY, MS. GRIGGS?
[29:49] >>Shayla Griggs: YES, MAYOR. THANK YOU.
[29:51] PLEASE REMOVE AGENDA ITEM 6.2 APPROVAL RE: THORING THE MAYOR
[29:57] AND CITY AUDITOR EXECUTE THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT
[29:59] BETWEEN THE CITY OF SARASOTA AND THE CITRUS CANNERY FOOD
[30:03] PROCESSING AND ALLIED WORKERS DRIVERS WAREHOUSE AND HELP
[30:07] AFFILIATED WITH THE INTERNATIONAL BROTHERHOOD OF
[30:10] TEAMSTER LOCAL 173 PER THE REQUEST OF INTERIM CITY MANAGER
[30:14] BULLOCK. THAT'S ALL THE CHANGES I HAVE,
[30:17] MAYOR. >>Mayor Alpert: ALL RIGHT.
[30:18] THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE
[30:23] THE CHANGES TO THE ORDER OF THE DAY?
[30:26] >>Vice-Mayor Trice: SO MOVED. >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: SECOND.
[30:28] >>Mayor Alpert: THE VICE MAYOR MOVED TO APPROVE THE CHANGES TO
[30:31] THE ORDER OF THE DAY. COMMISSIONER OHLRICH SECONDED.
[30:36] COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU WILL VOTE. IS THAT YOUR VOTE?
[30:43] >> YES. >>Mayor Alpert: ALL RIGHT.
[30:46] THE CHANGES ARE APPROVED. SO, COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE A
[30:54] PRESENTATION THIS MORNING -- >>Shayla Griggs: MAYOR, YOU ALSO
[30:56] NEED TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED AGENDA SCHEDULE.
[30:59] >>Mayor Alpert: I'M SORRY. SINCE WE APPROVED THE CHANGES.
[31:04] OKAY. APPROVAL FOR THE PROPOSED AGENDA
[31:06] SCHEDULE, COMMISSIONERS. >>Vice-Mayor Trice: SO MOVED.
[31:10] >>Kyle Battie: SECOND. >>Mayor Alpert: VICE MAYOR MOVED
[31:12] APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED AGENDA SCHEDULE.
[31:14] COMMISSIONER BATTIE SECONDED. IF YOU WILL VOTE, COMMISSIONERS.
[31:20] IS THAT YOUR VOTE? ALL RIGHT.
[31:23] THEN WE CAN NOW DO THE PRESENTATION.
[31:52] WE HAVE A LEGACY BUSINESS, AND I WOULD LIKE COMMISSIONER
[31:55] AHEARN-KOCH TO COME UP AND DO THIS PRESENTATION.
[32:05] >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: THANK YOU. THIS IS LEGACY BUSINESS
[32:08] PROCLAMATION: WHEREAS, THE CITY OF SARASOTA LEGACY BUSINESS
[32:10] PROGRAM RECOGNIZES THE CONTRIBUTION OF LOCAL
[32:15] LONG-STANDING BUSINESSES AS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE GROWTH AND
[32:18] PROSPERITY OF THE CITY; AND WHEREAS, ON DECEMBER 8, 2002,
[32:23] MATTISON'S CITY GRILLE OPENED FOR BUSINESS AS AN UPSCALE,
[32:27] EUROPEAN-STYLE OUTDOOR CAFE; AND WHEREAS, FOR 23 YEARS,
[32:31] MATTISON'S CITY GRILLE HAS OPERATED AS A CHEF-OWNED LOCAL
[32:36] RESTAURANT; AND WHEREAS, MATTISON'S CITY GRILLE HAS BEEN
[32:39] A CITY FIXTURE AND A CONTRIBUTING ASSET TO THE
[32:42] VITALITY AND PROSPERITY OF DOWNTOWN SARASOTA SINCE 2002.
[32:47] NOW, THEREFORE, THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF
[32:49] SARASOTA, FLORIDA, ON BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS OF OUR COMMUNITY
[32:53] TAKES GREAT PRIDE IN RECOGNIZING MATTISON'S CITY GRILLE AS A
[32:56] LEGACY BUSINESS. MR. PAUL MATTISON, WOULD YOU
[33:01] PLEASE COME DOWN AND ACCEPT THE LEGACY BUSINESS PROCLAMATION?
[33:06] WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS?
[33:12] >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IT'S HUMBLING AND AN HONOR TO BE
[33:16] RECOGNIZED. IT'S BEEN A GREAT 23 YEARS.
[33:19] LOVE SARASOTA. LOVE THE CITY.
[33:21] APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK AND EVERYTHING YOU DO.
[33:25] AND THOSE BEFORE YOU THAT HAVE INTERACTED WITH MANY TIMES OVER
[33:29] THE YEAR PUTTING THIS RESTAURANT TOGETHER.
[33:31] IT'S BEEN A WIN. IT'S BEEN A GREAT HOME-RUN FOR
[33:35] US. WE LOVE BEING HERE AND WE LOOK
[33:36] FORWARD TO MANY, MANY MORE YEARS IN THE CITY OF SARASOTA.
[33:39] IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY TO
[33:43] SUPPORT ANYTHING, ALL OF YOUR EFFORTS AND EVERYONE'S IN THE
[33:46] CITY, OUR DOOR IS ALWAYS OPEN. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE HONOR.
[33:49] APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. [ APPLAUSE ]
[33:54] >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: I WOULD ALSO JUST LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS
[33:58] ABOUT MATTISON'S. FULL DISCLOSURE, I WORKED FOR
[34:01] PAUL FOR 12 YEARS, PR AND MARKETING WHEN HE WAS JUST
[34:04] STARTING OUT IN DOWNTOWN SARASOTA.
[34:06] I'M VERY, VERY, VERY PROUD TO HAVE WORKED FOR THIS MAN WHO IS
[34:11] NOT ONLY A TALENTED AND INCREDIBLE CHEF BUT ALSO A VERY
[34:16] SMART BUSINESSMAN AND A VERY, VERY KIND COMMUNITY CONTRIBUTOR.
[34:21] IT WAS ACTUALLY PAUL THORPE, MR. DOWNTOWN, AS EVERYBODY KNOWS
[34:25] HIM, WAS SCHEMING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE WERE GOING TO GET OUR
[34:30] DOWNTOWN REVITALIZED. HE GOT AHOLD OF PAUL MATTISON.
[34:33] GOT HOLD OF ME AND OTHER FOLKS AND SAID THIS IS SOMEBODY WHO
[34:38] CAN REALLY GET THIS DONE. THROUGH PAUL'S DESIGN AND
[34:43] WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY, MANAGED TO CREATE A VERY
[34:48] IMPORTANT CORNER OF THE CITY OF SARASOTA AND TURN IT INTO A
[34:52] VIBRANT, WELCOMING, OPEN SPACE. ASIDE FROM C'EST LA VIE, THIS
[34:56] WAS I BELIEVE ONLY THE SECOND PLACE IN DOWNTOWN WHERE YOU
[35:00] ACTUALLY SAT OUTSIDE. BACK IN THE DAY, NOBODY THOUGHT
[35:02] ABOUT SITTING OUTSIDE IN DOWNTOWN SARASOTA.
[35:08] SO MATTISON'S, HAVING OFFICIALLY HAVE BEEN A PART OF THE
[35:13] BUSINESS, I ALWAYS SAY, AT LEAST A MAJOR PART OF TURNING DOWNTOWN
[35:17] SARASOTA AROUND INTO THE VIBRANT PLACE THAT IT IS TODAY.
[35:21] PAUL IS AN INCREDIBLY RESPONSIBLE BUSINESS OWNER AND
[35:27] JUST A VERY GOOD HUMAN BEING. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY FOR THE
[35:32] RECORD I ALWAYS RECUSED MYSELF ON ANY VOTES INVOLVING
[35:36] MATTISON'S EVEN THOUGH I DON'T WORK FOR HIM ANYMORE FOR OVER
[35:40] EIGHT YEARS, THERE'S STILL SOMETHING THAT MAKES MATTISON'S
[35:44] SUPER SPECIAL TO ME. THANK YOU, PAUL.
[35:48] [ APPLAUSE ] >>Mayor Alpert: I WANT TO ADD A
[35:51] QUICK REMARK. WHEN I MOVED BACK TO SARASOTA IN
[35:55] 2002, OF COURSE, YOU WERE ALREADY OPEN AT THAT LOCATION,
[35:59] AND IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WITH THE TIKI TORCHES AND THE OUTDOOR
[36:03] SEATING THAT I WAS LIKE THIS IS THE PLACE WHERE I WANT TO LIVE.
[36:06] IT WAS VERY, VERY MAGICAL. THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE.
[36:12] COMMISSIONERS. ? Thank you. Thank
[36:48] >> THANK YOU, EVERYONE. APPRECIATE IT.
[36:49] >>Mayor Alpert: CONGRATULATIONS. OKAY.
[37:13] I WOULD ASK THE CITY AUDITOR AND CLERK TO READ THE PLEDGE OF
[37:17] PUBLIC CONDUCT. AND THEN WE WILL HAVE OUR
[37:22] CITIZEN COMMENTS. WE HAVE FOUR PEOPLE SIGNED UP.
[37:25] YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES EACH. WHEN YOU SPEAK, BE SURE TO STATE
[37:31] YOUR NAME AND WHETHER YOU ARE A CITY RESIDENT.
[37:33] >>Shayla Griggs: WE WILL DISAGREE BUT RESPECTFUL TO ONE
[37:36] ANOTHER. DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO ISSUES.
[37:37] WE WILL NOT ENGAGE IN PERSONAL ATTACKS.
[37:39] THANK YOU. >>Mayor Alpert: WE HAVE MARTIN
[37:43] HYDE. DAVID LOUGH, CHRIS JOHNSON.
[37:48] AND SHAWN PATTEN. MR. HYDE.
[38:03] >> INDEED. OBVIOUSLY, I REMAIN THAT VERY
[38:05] SAME ONE. FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT DON'T
[38:12] FOLLOW THESE THINGS, THERE WAS A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM REMOVED FROM
[38:21] TODAY'S AGENDA. DOES TELL SOMEWHAT THE STORY
[38:24] ABOUT WHAT MAKING ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT AGREEMENTS BEING MADE
[38:29] TURNS PEOPLE INTO. THE ASSUMPTION WAS PER THE
[38:33] CONSENT AGENDA THAT THE TEAMSTERS UNION WOULD AGREE TO A
[38:38] PROPOSITION THAT WAS MADE TO THEM IN PART GAVE NO RAISES TO
[38:42] THE PEOPLE ALREADY ENTITLED TO SO-CALLED STEP INCREASES LEAVING
[38:46] 27% OR ABOUT 83 OF THEM TO BE OFFERED NOT A RAISE BUT A
[38:53] THOUSAND TO 1500 BUCKS WHICH IN PRACTICAL TERMS IS ABOUT 2%,
[38:57] WHICH ESSENTIALLY IS A PAY CUT. I GUESS THE QUESTION HERE IS,
[39:03] WHOSE IDEA WAS IT? HOW DID YOU EVER THINK THAT WAS
[39:06] EVER GOING TO PASS. THERE WAS NO WAY THAT ANYBODY IS
[39:09] GOING TO AGREE TO A PAY CUT. IT'S REALLY NOT STAFF'S FAULT
[39:13] THAT YOU ALREADY SPENT THE MONEY.
[39:16] I TOLD YOU MONTHS AGO THAT YOUR BUDGET HAS TO INCLUDE SALARIES
[39:21] BECAUSE IT'S YOUR BIGGEST, ONGOING COMMITMENT.
[39:24] YOU CHOSE NOT TO DO THAT. NOW WHAT YOU'RE FACING BY WAY OF
[39:27] YOUR PAYROLL IS ABOUT A $2.5 MILLION BLACK HOLE.
[39:32] AS ANOTHER FYI, THE PART OF THE NEGOTIATION THAT WAS IN THAT
[39:37] CONSENT AGENDA TWO WAS SOME ILLUSION TO THE FACT THAT THEIR
[39:42] HEALTH INSURANCE WOULDN'T GO UP AFTER THIS YEAR FOR ANOTHER TWO
[39:48] YEARS. THAT'S A BLANK CHECK.
[39:49] YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THAT WOULD BE.
[39:51] IN PRACTICAL TERMS, THE CITY'S INCREASE OVER THAT TIME IS
[39:55] LIKELY TO BE COLLECTIVELY SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS THAT
[39:58] STAFF WOULDN'T BE ASKED TO PARTICIPATE.
[40:01] THAT'S SOMETHING YOU NEED TO BUDGET AND SOMETHING YOU NEED TO
[40:06] INCLUDE. LASTLY, MORE GENERAL POINT, YOU
[40:10] OVER DOUBLED YOUR BUDGET OVER A PERIOD WHEN INFLATION WAS 35%
[40:15] AND ALWAYS HOW IT WAS GOING TO END.
[40:17] IT'S NOT FAIR TO PUT STACIE MASON, THE HR DIRECTOR OUT AS A
[40:23] SACRIFICIAL LAMB FOR THE FOLLY AND MISTAKES YOU GUYS HAVE MADE.
[40:27] IT DID CULMINATE, BRING IT TO THE FORE HERE, IN A RATHER
[40:33] DISTURBING TWO-PAGE ANONYMOUS E-MAIL.
[40:34] IT WASN'T FROM ME BECAUSE I DON'T DO ANONYMOUS.
[40:38] ANONYMOUS E-MAIL DETAILING IN PART SEXUAL HARASSMENT, CRONYISM
[40:43] AND MISUSE OF OPIATE SETTLEMENT FUNDS.
[40:46] THAT IS A RELATIVELY SERIOUS SET OF ALLEGATIONS.
[40:49] MY LAST THOUGHT HERE IS IF YOU DON'T WANT ANOTHER
[40:53] NADALINI-GATE, A COUPLE OF YOU WERE HERE AT THE TIME, I SUGGEST
[40:58] YOU INVESTIGATE THIS PRONTO. >>Mayor Alpert: THANK YOU.
[41:00] DAVID LOUGH. >> YES.
[41:02] DAVID LOUGH, A ROSEMARY DISTRICT RESIDENT.
[41:06] MILES, CAN YOU PUT THAT ON THE SCREEN, PLEASE?
[41:10] I'M GOING TO PRESENT A COUPLE OF NUMBERS TODAY.
[41:13] WHY? BECAUSE I KNOW YOU HAVE YOUR
[41:15] STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION IN ABOUT NINE DAYS AND THERE IS A
[41:19] WORKSHOP RESIDENTS MAY SPEAK. THAT'S ONE THING.
[41:21] THE OTHER THING, THE HOUSING AUTHORITY IS HAVING A BOARD
[41:25] MEETING THIS WEDNESDAY. I KNOW THAT ON THEIR AGENDA IS
[41:29] THE POSSIBLE PARKING THERE. JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.
[41:33] HERE IS THE ROSEMARY DISTRICT. I DON'T EXPECT TO YOU READ THIS,
[41:38] BUT THOSE SHOWN ARE THE NUMBER OF UNITS IN EACH OF THOSE
[41:41] BUILDINGS, YOU CAN SEE HOW THE ROSEMARY IS KIND OF FILLING OUT.
[41:47] THE ORANGE ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
[41:49] THE YELLOW ARE PLANNED AND THE RED ARE EXISTING.
[41:52] SO WHAT THIS AMOUNTS TO, THERE IS AROUND 3300 DWELLING UNITS IN
[41:57] THE ROSEMARY TODAY. AND DEPENDING ON YOUR MATH, HOW
[42:05] MANY PEOPLE PER UNIT, VICE MAYOR TRICE AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT
[42:08] THAT. I USE 1.5.
[42:10] YOU PICK A NUMBER. BUT IT'S A LOT OF FOLKS.
[42:13] HERE IS THE THING. WITH THE ABOUT 500 UNDER
[42:18] CONSTRUCTION TODAY AND GIVE OR TAKE ANOTHER 500 ON THE
[42:22] PIPELINE, WE WILL HAVE OVER 3,000 DWELLING UNITS IN THE
[42:26] ROSEMARY IN FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS. AGAIN, WHATEVER YOUR MATH IS
[42:33] AROUND 5,000 PEOPLE. NUMBER 36 DOWN THERE IS THE
[42:38] NUMBER OF PEOPLE ESTIMATED PER ACRE.
[42:43] THINK OF THAT DENSITY AND WHAT THAT CAN DO IN TERMS OF HELPING
[42:49] SUPPORT PUBLIC TRANSIT AND OTHER NEEDS THAT A DENSE KIND OF
[42:54] NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE. ONE GOOD BIT OF NEWS, STILL ON
[42:59] THE LEFT-HAND BAR, 26% OF THE DWELLING UNITS IN THE ROSEMARY,
[43:04] ACCORDING TO MY PROJECTIONS IN 2032 WILL REMAIN SENIOR OR
[43:11] ATTAINABLE, AFFORDABLE, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THEM.
[43:14] SO WE ARE BUILDING STOCK, WHETHER IT BE LOFTS ON LEMON.
[43:18] IT JUST SHOWS YOU WHY I THINK THE ROSEMARY IS GREAT, INCLUDING
[43:24] OUR FIRST TATTOO PARLOR I MIGHT ADD, WHICH HAS COME IN.
[43:28] HERE IS ONE VISION OF McCOWN'S APARTMENTS THAT THE HOUSING
[43:33] AUTHORITY IS THINKING ABOUT. THIS IS MY PARTICULAR VISION.
[43:38] I KNOW TO MR. BULLOCK'S POINT, ASPIRATIONS HAVE TO MEET
[43:42] REALITY. BUT HERE'S ONE WAY OF THINKING
[43:45] ABOUT STRUCTURED PARKING IN THIS BUILDING WITH RETAIL ON THE
[43:50] GROUND FLOOR, WITH EXPERIENTIAL MAKING ROSEMARY THE 15-MINUTE
[43:55] CITY. THE FINAL SLIDE IS AS TORE AND
[43:58] LINKS IS TESTING OUT I'LL CALL IT i-Ride 2 CONCEPT.
[44:04] THAT'S ANOTHER ELEMENT. AS YOU GO INTO YOUR STRATEGIC
[44:08] PLANNING SESSION, SOME THINGS I RESPECTFULLY SUGGEST YOU KEEP IN
[44:11] MIND. THANKS.
[44:15] >>Mayor Alpert: THANK YOU. CHRIS JOHNSON.
[44:16] >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
[44:17] CHRIS JOHNSON, CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER AT THE UNITED WAY OF
[44:21] SOUTH SARASOTA COUNTY. WE ARE THE LEAD AGENCY FOR BOTH
[44:24] THE LONG-TERM RECOVERY GROUP FOR HURRICANES IAN, IDALIA, DEBBY,
[44:29] MILTON AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS ACTIVE IN
[44:31] DISASTER. ALSO RECENTLY, THE RECIPIENT OF
[44:35] DISASTER CASE MANAGEMENT PROGRAM FUNDING THROUGH FEMA AND THROUGH
[44:37] THE STATE AND VOLUNTEER FLORIDA. I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE
[44:40] TODAY ON WHAT WE'RE DOING COUNTYWIDE WITH THE LONG-TERM
[44:43] RECOVERY GROUP AND WITH THE DCMP, DISASTER CASE MANAGEMENT
[44:47] PROGRAM. TO DATE, COMPLETED 120 REBUILDS
[44:50] ON HOMES HELPING FAMILIES IMPACTED BY THESE FIVE STORMS.
[44:53] RETURN TO SAFE, SECURE AND FUNCTIONAL HOUSING.
[44:56] WE CONTINUE TO ACTIVELY RAISE ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR
[44:59] RECONSTRUCTION. EVERY BIT OF THE FUNDING WE USED
[45:01] FOR RECONSTRUCTION WE HAVE RAISED OURSELVES.
[45:03] WE'RE THRILLED TO SHARE THAT WE SUCCEEDED THE CONTINUED SUPPORT
[45:07] FOR WORLD RENEW FOR ANOTHER TWO YEARS.
[45:10] WORLD RENEW OFFERS VOLUNTEER SKILLED LABOR FORCE THAT COMES
[45:13] INTO OUR COMMUNITY. CONTRIBUTED $1.2 MILLION WORTH
[45:17] OF LABOR IN LAST TWO YEARS AND CONTINUE THE EFFORTS WITH
[45:23] HURRICANE HELENE AND MILTON OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
[45:26] OTHER LABOR GROUPS, MENNONITE DISASTER SERVICES, PRAYING
[45:29] PELICAN MISSIONS AND PRESBYTERIAN DISASTER
[45:32] ASSISTANCE. GREATLY EXPAND OUR CAPACITY TO
[45:35] REBUILD HOMES. LONG-TERM RECOVERY ALSO SECURE
[45:37] THE PURCHASE OF 16-FOOT BOX TRUCK SO THAT WE'RE ABLE TO
[45:40] TRANSPORT BUILDING MATERIALS AND APPLIANCES TO WORK SITES.
[45:43] THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT STEP FORWARD FOR US IN OUR ABILITY TO
[45:47] INCREASE LOGISTICAL EFFICIENCY. HOWEVER, WE CONTINUE TO HAVE AN
[45:50] ONGOING NEED FOR A WAREHOUSE TO STORE CONSTRUCTION SUPPLIES AND
[45:54] DONATED MATERIALS. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE
[45:56] CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OTHER AGENCIES TO TRY TO FIND A
[45:59] PARTNERSHIP TO DO. CURRENTLY, LONG-TERM RECOVERY
[46:01] GROUP HAS 78 ACTIVE CASES SPANNING FROM HURRICANE IAN
[46:05] THROUGH HURRICANE MILTON. CASE MANAGERS ARE IN THE PROCESS
[46:08] OF MAKING THE FIRST INITIAL 540 OUTREACH CALLS TO THOSE THAT ARE
[46:11] ON THE FEMA LIST. 70,000 PEOPLE ON THAT LIST.
[46:16] AS PART OF THE DISASTER CASE MANAGEMENT PROGRAM IT IS OUR
[46:19] RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE EVERY ONE OF THEM IS REACHED.
[46:21] ON THAT NOTE, UNITED WAY OF SOUTH SARASOTA COUNTY HAS BEEN
[46:25] AWARDED $2.2 MILLION OF THE DISASTER CASE MANAGEMENT PROGRAM
[46:27] FOR HURRICANES HELENE AND MILTON.
[46:30] THIS IS THROUGH VOLUNTEER FLORIDA FROM FEMA.
[46:32] THIS MARKS THE FIRST OF ITS KIND PILOT PROGRAM WITHIN THE STATE
[46:37] WHERE A LONG-TERM RECOVERY GROUP IS ADMINISTERING THE DISASTER
[46:40] CASE MANAGEMENT PROGRAM DIRECTLY.
[46:41] NORMALLY DONE THROUGH A THIRD PARTY NONPROFIT THAT'S HIRED IN
[46:44] TO DO THAT. WE ARE GRATEFUL TO BE A -- TO BE
[46:48] PART OF THIS PILOT PROGRAM, AND IT REQUIRED APPROVAL AT BOTH THE
[46:52] STATE AND THE FEDERAL LEVEL. ONLY ONE OF TWO COUNTIES IN THIS
[46:56] PROGRAM, US AND COLLIER, THAT ARE PILOTING THIS INNOVATIVE
[46:59] APPROACH. AGAIN, DCMP IS CASE MANAGEMENT
[47:02] ONLY. DOES NOT CONSIDER CONSTRUCTION
[47:03] MONEY. THERE'S NO FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR
[47:05] THAT SO WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO RAISE THE FUNDS OURSELVES.
[47:09] WE ARE STILL RESPONSIBLE TO REACH THE 70,000 FOLKS AND WILL
[47:12] DO THAT OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS IN OUR PROCESSES.
[47:14] WE THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO IN DISASTER RECOVERY AND LOOK
[47:17] FORWARD TO GIVING YOU UPDATES AS WE GO FORWARD.
[47:20] THANK YOU SO MUCH. >>Mayor Alpert: THANK YOU FOR
[47:22] THAT. SHAWN PATTEN.
[47:25] >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
[47:27] FIRST OFF, THANK YOU ALL FOR WHAT YOU ARE DOING.
[47:29] YOU HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK TO SUPPORT THE ENVIRONMENTAL
[47:32] COMMUNITY IN SARASOTA. AND WE SEE IT.
[47:34] I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A QUICK MORNING SHOUT-OUT AS SOMEONE WHO
[47:38] ADVISES QUITE A FEW TOWNS AND CITIES ACROSS THE STATE, I KNOW
[47:41] HOW HARD YOUR JOB IS. I MIGHT BE ONE OF THE FEW PEOPLE
[47:45] THAT TRULY DOES. THANK YOU FOR THAT.
[47:47] UNFORTUNATELY, I WISH I WAS HERE ON BETTER TERMS.
[47:49] AS A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER IN SARASOTA WHO EMPLOYS DOZENS OF
[47:52] YOUNG PEOPLE I WAS VERY EXCITED TO SPONSOR AND SUPPORT THE
[47:56] SARASOTA CHALK FESTIVAL. LONGTIME RUNNING EVENT.
[47:59] WE PUT THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS INTO HELPING SUPPORT THE EVENT,
[48:02] ADVERTISING, CLEANUP, AND FOR A LOT OF MY STAFF, IT WAS THE
[48:06] FIRST-EVER PROJECT THAT THEY PUT MONEY TOWARDS, THAT WE HELPED
[48:11] SPONSOR. SO IT'S EXCITING.
[48:12] THEN WHEN YOU SEE THE SARASOTA CHALK FESTIVAL, INCLUDING THE
[48:17] PERMANENT INSTALLATIONS, YOU OFTEN THINK OF THE BUSINESSES
[48:19] THAT SUPPORT THEM. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY AS
[48:21] A BUSINESS OWNER I SUPPORT THESE ART INSTALLATIONS.
[48:25] THEY WERE GREAT. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I
[48:28] WAS A SPONSOR FOR THE CHALK FESTIVAL.
[48:30] IMAGINE MY SURPRISE WHEN A FEW MONTHS AFTER THE CHALK FESTIVAL,
[48:35] EVERYTHING IS PULLED UP. NO MEETINGS, NO NOTICE, NO
[48:40] CALLS, NOTHING, NO PUSH-BACK. WHAT IS THE CITY OF SARASOTA'S
[48:44] PLAN TO REIMBURSE OR TO HELP ALLEVIATE DAMAGES FOR THE
[48:49] BUSINESSES AND THE COMMUNITIES THAT HAD DIRECT LOSSES DUE TO
[48:52] THE REMOVAL OF ALL THIS PUBLIC ART?
[48:55] WHY SHOULD I CONTINUE TO SPONSOR ART EVENTS IN SARASOTA COUNTY OR
[49:00] SARASOTA CITY IF THEY COULD BE DESTROYED AT ANY MOMENT?
[49:07] THAT'S IT. >>Mayor Alpert: THANK YOU,
[49:12] SHAWN. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THE POINT
[49:21] THAT THIS IS JUST COMMENTS. IF THE COMMISSION IS GOING TO
[49:23] RESPOND TO ANYTHING, WE GENERALLY DO THAT AT
[49:27] COMMISSIONER COMMENTS AT THE END OF THE MEETING.
[49:29] SO IT'S NOT INTERACTIVE. ALL RIGHT.
[49:33] LET'S MOVE ON TO THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
[49:40] ITEM 4.1. ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS TO THE
[49:42] MINUTES OF THE SPECIAL SARASOTA CITY COMMISSION MEETING OF
[49:48] SEPTEMBER 9? >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: MOVE
[49:50] APPROVAL. >> SECOND.
[49:51] >>Mayor Alpert: ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER OHLRICH MOVED
[49:54] APPROVAL OF THE SPECIAL SARASOTA CITY COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES Okay, set your vote.
[50:14] Commissioners. Alright, passes unanimously. All righ OF PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
[50:19] ALL RIGHT. WE MOVE ON TO THE MINUTES OF THE
[50:21] REGULAR SARASOTA CITY COMMISSION MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 15, 2025.
[50:26] ANY CORRECTIONS? COMMISSIONER AHEARN-KOCH.
[50:29] >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: I SUBMITTED SOME NON-SUBSTANTIVE CORRECTIONS
[50:33] AND ONE SUBSTANTIVE THAT I WILL LET THE CITY AUDITOR AND CLERK
[50:38] ELABORATE UPON. >>Shayla Griggs: COMMISSIONER
[50:43] AHEARN-KOCH BROUGHT UP UNDER THE SEPTEMBER 15, 2025, MINUTES
[50:50] REGARDING PAGE 15. IT'S THE SECOND LINE, AND IT
[50:54] READS, AND THE COMMISSION DISCUSSED THE WORD NEIGHBORHOOD
[50:57] BEING REMOVED FROM THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ALONG WITH
[51:01] CITY DOCUMENTS. THIS IS A COMMENT BASED ON
[51:04] CITIZENS' INPUT. I BELIEVE THE DISCUSSION WAS NOT
[51:06] ABOUT US LOOKING TO REMOVE THE WORD NEIGHBORHOOD BUT AS TO WHY
[51:11] IT WAS ALREADY REMOVED. I THINK, AND I AM NOT SURE WHAT
[51:14] IS MEANT BY OTHER CITY DOCUMENTS.
[51:16] MAY I SUGGEST ADDING IN THE CONTEXT A LITTLE, RESPONSE TO
[51:21] CITIZEN INPUT. COMMISSIONER OHLRICH SPOKE ABOUT
[51:25] OR SOMETHING SIMPLE TO ADD CONTEXT.
[51:29] FROM OUR STANDPOINT, WE GET WHAT COMMISSIONER AHEARN-KOCH WAS
[51:33] TRYING TO STATE. SO OUR ANSWER IS, THIS IS UNDER
[51:38] COMMISSIONER OHLRICH'S REMARKS. BECAUSE SHE REITERATED THE TOPIC
[51:42] AS A RESULT OF CITIZENS' INPUT RECEIVED, WE BELIEVE THIS IS
[51:45] SOMETHING THAT WE MAYBE NEEDED TO ELABORATE MORE ON.
[51:48] THAT'S WHY WE PUT IT THERE IN THAT CONTEXT.
[51:53] HOWEVER, ONCE IT WAS MENTIONED COMMISSION DISCUSSION ENSUED
[51:59] MORE, YOU ALL TALKED ABOUT IT MORE.
[52:01] THAT'S WHY WE PUT IT THERE LIKE THAT.
[52:03] I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO CHIME IN BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT YOU.
[52:09] SO THE CLOSED CAPTIONING IS COMMISSIONER OHLRICH'S STATEMENT
[52:13] INTERPRETING HOW SHE UNDERSTOOD THE CITIZENS INPUT RECEIVED AND
[52:16] THEN MINUTES REFLECT COMMISSIONER OHLRICH'S
[52:19] STATEMENT. THAT'S BASICALLY WE WERE JUST
[52:21] REFLECTING WHAT COMMISSIONER OHLRICH WAS STATING IN CASE IT
[52:24] CAME BACK UP LATER. IT WAS IN CONTEXT TO WHAT WAS
[52:27] BEING DISCUSSED. WE AGREED WITH SOME LANGUAGE
[52:31] MOVEMENT AND THAT WILL BE REFLECTED.
[52:37] >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: WHEN YOU READ, SOMETIMES YOU READ THESE
[52:39] OUT OF CONTEXT. WE WERE THERE, BUT IF SOMEBODY
[52:44] WOULD JUST READ THIS, THE STATEMENT SAYS THAT WE WERE
[52:47] DISCUSSING REMOVING NEIGHBORHOODS FROM THE COMP
[52:50] PLAN, IT READ A LITTLE DIFFERENT TO ME.
[52:52] SO I THOUGHT IF WE ADDED JUST SOME SORT OF CONTEXT AND
[53:00] MS. GRIGGS AND MS. JOHNSON CAME UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT WAS VERY
[53:04] SIMPLE, A ONE-LINER THAT WAS IN CONTEXT OF CITIZENS AND THAT WE
[53:08] DISCUSS IT AS A BODY. >>Mayor Alpert: WE CAN HAVE A
[53:19] MOTION FOR THE UPDATED. >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: I MOVE
[53:22] APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES AS CHANGED?
[53:26] >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: SECOND. >>Mayor Alpert: COMMISSIONER
[53:29] OHLRICH MOVED APPROVAL OF THE REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETING
[53:33] OF SEPTEMBER 15 AS AMENDED. COMMISSIONER AHEARN-KOCH
[53:41] SECONDED. IF YOU'LL VOTE COMMISSIONERS.
[53:46] IS THAT YOUR VOTE? THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[53:53] WE ARE NOW AT ITEM 4.3, THE SPECIAL CITY COMMISSION MEETING
[53:59] OF SEPTEMBER 15. ANY CHANGES?
[54:02] >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: I HAVE NONE. >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: MOVE
[54:04] APPROVAL. >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: SECOND.
[54:05] >>Mayor Alpert: COMMISSIONER OHLRICH MOVED APPROVAL OF THE
[54:09] SPECIAL CITY COMMISSION MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 15, 2025.
[54:12] COMMISSIONER AHEARN-KOCH SECONDED.
[54:15] IF YOU'LL VOTE, COMMISSIONERS. IS THAT YOUR VOTE?
[54:21] PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM 4.4, THESE ARE THE MINUTES
[54:27] OF THE SPECIAL SARASOTA CITY COMMISSION MEETING OF SEPTEMBER
[54:32] 16, 2025. MAN, WE HAVE BEEN MEETING A LOT.
[54:36] ANY CORRECTIONS? >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: I HAD NONE.
[54:38] >>Mayor Alpert: CAN I GET A MOTION?
[54:41] >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: MOVE APPROVAL.
[54:42] >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: SECOND. >>Mayor Alpert: COMMISSIONER
[54:44] AHEARN-KOCH MOVED APPROVAL OF THE SPECIAL CITY COMMISSION
[54:47] MEETING MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 16, 2025.
[54:51] COMMISSIONER OHLRICH SECONDED. IF YOU'LL VOTE, COMMISSIONERS.
[54:57] IS THAT YOUR VOTE? PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[55:01] OKAY. WE GO NOW TO CONSENT AGENDA
[55:05] NUMBER 1. ARE THERE ANY ITEMS TOON PULLED
[55:10] FROM CONSENT AGENDA 1? >>Shayla Griggs: YES, MAYOR.
[55:12] COMMISSIONER AHEARN-KOCH WANTED TO PULL ITEM 6.3 -- IS THAT
[55:18] CORRECT? >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: 2.
[55:20] >>Shayla Griggs: SORRY. --
[55:21] >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: 6.3. >>Shayla Griggs: I THOUGHT I SAW
[55:27] -- JUST 6.3, CORRECT? I ALSO HAVE A CITIZENS' INPUT
[55:32] FOR AN AGENDA ITEM ON CONSENT ONE THAT IS NOT PULLED.
[55:39] >>Mayor Alpert: WHICH ITEM IS THAT?
[55:41] >>Shayla Griggs: THAT IS FOR ITEM 6.5.
[55:48] >>Mayor Alpert: LET'S PULL THAT THEN.
[55:53] DO WE HAVE APPROVAL OF THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA
[55:58] WHICH ELIMINATES 6.3 AND 6.5? >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: MOVE
[56:03] APPROVAL OF THE BALANCE OF CONSENT 1.
[56:07] >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: SECOND. >>Mayor Alpert: COMMISSIONER
[56:08] OHLRICH MOVED APPROVAL OF THE BALANCE OF CONSENT 1.
[56:12] COMMISSIONER AHEARN-KOCH SECONDED.
[56:13] IF YOU'LL VOTE, COMMISSIONERS. IS THAT YOUR VOTE?
[56:21] PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. LET'S GO TO ITEM 6.3.
[56:28] >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: I ASKED THAT THIS ITEM BE PULLED, IF WE COULD
[56:33] HAVE MS. KELLY COME DOWN FOR A SECOND.
[56:45] I JUST ASKED THAT THIS BE PULLED SO MS. KELLY COULD MAKE A BRIEF
[56:51] PRESENTATION ABOUT THE GRANT PROGRAM AND SOME OF THE GRANTS
[56:57] THAT SHE RECEIVED. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE
[57:00] COMMUNITY AND NEIGHBORHOODS TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS PROGRAM IS
[57:02] AVAILABLE AND THAT THE NEIGHBORHOODS DO APPLY AND IT
[57:06] MAKES A TREMENDOUS DIFFERENCE FOR THEM IN THEIR OUTREACH IN A
[57:09] LOT OF THE PROGRAMS THEY PUT TOGETHER FOR THEIR COMMUNITY.
[57:13] >> NANCY KELLY, NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNER.
[57:17] GREAT TIME TO ASK ME TO COME UP HERE, BECAUSE WE HAVE A RECORD
[57:22] NUMBER OF SUBMISSIONS THIS YEAR. 18 NEIGHBORHOODS APPLIED, AND
[57:27] OUR BUDGET IS 40,000 WITH THE 18 GRANTS EQUALS A LITTLE OVER
[57:34] 36,000. THE REMAINING BALANCE WE'VE
[57:39] ALREADY HAD ABOUT 15 COMMUNITY BUILDING GRANTS WHICH EACH
[57:42] NEIGHBORHOOD IS ENTITLED TO ONE COMMUNITY BUILDING GRANT FOR
[57:45] $250 TO HOLD A NEIGHBORHOOD EVENT.
[57:47] ALREADY RECEIVED ABOUT 15. I'M ALMOST OUT OF MONEY OF THE
[57:54] 40,000. AS I SAID, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS
[57:59] FOR 21 YEARS. IT IS SO THRILLING TO WORK WITH
[58:02] ALL THESE NEIGHBORHOODS TO HELP THEM.
[58:04] THEY ARE ALL VOLUNTEER BOARDS. THEY GIVE THEIR OWN TIME.
[58:08] AND THEY JUST WANT MORE AND MORE PEOPLE TO BE A COMMUNITY.
[58:14] SO THIS HELPS THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.
[58:17] POSTCARD MAILINGS, NEWSLETTERS, EVENTS, LANDSCAPING.
[58:22] IT BRINGS ALL THE RESIDENTS TOGETHER IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
[58:26] I THINK IT'S VALUABLE. ANYTHING ELSE?
[58:30] >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: I WOULD JUST LIKE TO TAKE A SMALL POINT OF
[58:33] PRIVILEGE AND SAY AS A NEIGHBORHOOD LEADER, BEFORE I
[58:36] WAS ON THE COMMISSION, I WORKED WITH MS. KELLY IN A VARIETY OF
[58:42] OTHER CAPACITIES. SHE HAS ALWAYS PUT THE
[58:45] NEIGHBORHOODS FIRST AND THE INTERESTS OF THE CITIZENS AND
[58:48] THE COMMUNITY FIRST. WHENEVER I GO TO ANY
[58:51] NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CITY, SHE'S ALMOST
[58:56] ALWAYS THERE AND THE NEIGHBORS ALWAYS THANK HER FOR HER HELP,
[58:59] HER GUIDANCE, AND HER SERVICE. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU.
[59:04] >> APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. >>Mayor Alpert: THEY ALL LOVE
[59:08] NANCY. VICE MAYOR.
[59:15] >>Vice-Mayor Trice: I WANT TO THANK YOU AS SOMEONE WHO WAS A
[59:21] NEIGHBORHOOD PERSON. A QUESTION.
[59:22] HOW MANY RECOGNIZED NEIGHBORHOODS DO WE HAVE IN THE
[59:24] CITY? BALLPARK.
[59:28] >> LITTLE OVER 50. >>Vice-Mayor Trice: SO ALREADY
[59:32] WE'RE GIVING TO 18. YOU CAN ONLY DO ONE A YEAR, SO
[59:36] WE'VE GOT, WHAT, 32 THAT MIGHT BE VYING FOR THE $4,000 THAT'S
[59:42] LEFT OVER. >> CORRECT.
[59:45] OFTENTIMES SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DIDN'T APPLY
[59:48] WEREN'T PART OF THE 18 HAVE ALREADY GOTTEN COMMUNITY
[59:52] BUILDING GRANTS. THEY DIDN'T NEED THE FULL 2,000
[59:55] BUT APPLIED FOR THE 250 AND ALREADY AWARDED THAT.
[59:59] >>Vice-Mayor Trice: GREAT. I'M REALLY ENTHUSIASTIC BECAUSE
[1:00:02] SO MANY OF THE GRANTS WERE FOR COMMUNICATIONS, WHETHER IT WAS
[1:00:06] SENDING OUT NOTICES OF MEETINGS, DOING A WEBSITE, DOING
[1:00:10] NEWSLETTERS, BRINGING PEOPLE TOGETHER.
[1:00:15] I'M HOPING THAT LEADING UP TO NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET HEARINGS THAT
[1:00:21] MAYBE YOU SUGGEST THAT WE INCREASE THE GRANT FUNDING SO WE
[1:00:27] CAN EXTEND THE BENEFITS TO EVEN MORE.
[1:00:30] BUT THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING.
[1:00:32] ONE MORE THING. NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES IN THE
[1:00:37] PAST HAD A NEIGHBORHOOD GATHERING FOR MANATEE COUNTY,
[1:00:41] SARASOTA COUNTY, AND THE CITY. AND THAT WAS SUCH A WORTHWHILE
[1:00:47] EVENT. SO I'M HOPING THAT YOU WILL LOOK
[1:00:49] INTO DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT AGAIN IN THE UPCOMING YEAR.
[1:00:54] THE SUMMIT, GREAT. THANK YOU.
[1:00:56] >>Mayor Alpert: THANK YOU. I'M SORRY.
[1:01:02] I SAW YOU THERE. >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: THAT'S
[1:01:05] ALL RIGHT. SO THE GOOD WORK THAT YOU DO IS
[1:01:08] EVIDENCE THAT WE HAVE NOT REMOVED NEIGHBORHOODS FROM THE
[1:01:14] COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. [ LAUGHTER ]
[1:01:15] >> AMEN. >>Mayor Alpert: I WAS THINKING
[1:01:20] SAYING THAT, SO I'M GLAD YOU DID.
[1:01:25] >>Vice-Mayor Trice: I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE GRANTS AS
[1:01:29] PROPOSED. >> SECOND.
[1:01:32] >>Mayor Alpert: ALL RIGHT. THE VICE MAYOR MOVED APPROVAL OF
[1:01:39] ITEM 6.3. COMMISSIONER BATTIE SECONDED.
[1:01:43] IF YOU WILL VOTE, COMMISSIONERS. IS THAT YOUR VOTE?
[1:01:48] ALL RIGHT. PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
[1:01:51] NOW WE HAVE ITEM 6.5. WE HAVE ONE PERSON SIGNED UP TO
[1:01:58] SPEAK ON THIS. MR. MARTIN HYDE.
[1:02:08] >>Shayla Griggs: NONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS PULLED IT.
[1:02:10] >>Mayor Alpert: WE ONLY PULLED IT FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK.
[1:02:24] >> FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DIDN'T READ THE AGENDA OR THOUGHT THIS
[1:02:28] WAS OKAY, MY NAME OBVIOUSLY REMAINS MARTIN HYDE.
[1:02:32] IT'S A DE FACTO NO BID CONTRACT EXTENSION BY STEALTH.
[1:02:39] MY FIRST QUESTION, WHY PUT $370,000 CLEANING CONTRACT ON
[1:02:46] CONSENT TWO MONTHS AFTER THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT EXPIRED?
[1:02:51] WHY AFTER FOUR YEARS ISN'T IT REBID?
[1:02:55] BECAUSE THEY ARE ASKING FOR A 20% INCREASE.
[1:02:58] NOW, IT DOES STIPULATE OR STATE WITHIN THERE THAT THESE ARE
[1:03:02] ADDITIONAL SERVICES. BUT IF THINGS HAVE CHANGED,
[1:03:04] THINGS HAVE CHANGED. ONE MIGHT REASONABLY SAY OR HOPE
[1:03:08] THAT SOMEONE WOULD ASK THE QUESTION, WHY NONE OF YOU ASK
[1:03:11] ABOUT IT WHEN YOU'RE ALREADY LOOKING AT A DEFICIT DESPITE A
[1:03:15] 9% MILLAGE INCREASE. OBVIOUSLY ONLY YOU CAN ANSWER.
[1:03:18] IT IS, AS I SAID, 20% INCREASE ON THE CURRENT CONTRACT, SO IT
[1:03:23] DOES MERIT BIDDING OUT. QUESTION RHETORICALLY ASKING,
[1:03:29] OBVIOUSLY, IS THIS ACTUALLY YOUR DECISION OR ONE THAT SUITS
[1:03:32] STAFF? FOR STAFF IT MEANS NO WORK AND
[1:03:35] NO CONSEQUENCES FOR THEM. BUT UNDER YOUR CURRENT BUDGET
[1:03:38] CRISIS, ONE MIGHT HOPE STAFF WOULD BE INSTRUCTED TO LOOK FOR
[1:03:43] SAVINGS. THAT IS WHAT A CITY MANAGER FOR
[1:03:45] 20 PLUS GRAND A MONTH SHOULD BE DOING.
[1:03:50] OVERALL, THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE STORY OF BLOCKBUSTER AND
[1:03:55] NETFLIX. BLOCKBUSTER THOUGHT THE GOOD
[1:03:57] TIMES WOULD NEVER END. NETFLIX WAS SENDING OUT THEIR
[1:04:01] VIDEOS BY MAIL. AND THEY DECIDED IF THEY WERE TO
[1:04:04] SURVIVE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO INNOVATE AND ADAPT.
[1:04:09] THE LAST BLOCKBUSTER STORE IS ACTUALLY STILL OPEN IN BEND,
[1:04:14] OREGON. BUT IT IS THE ONLY ONE.
[1:04:16] THE OTHER 4499 ARE CLOSED. MEANWHILE, NETFLIX MARKET
[1:04:23] CAPITALIZATION ON THE POSITIVE SIDE IS $527 BILLION.
[1:04:29] THE MORAL OF THAT IS FAIRLY CLEAR.
[1:04:30] YOU HAVE TO ADAPT TO NEW REALITIES OR YOU HAVE TO FACE
[1:04:34] THE INEVITABLE CONSEQUENCES. THE SIMPLE POINT HERE IS A
[1:04:41] FAIRLY OBVIOUS ONE. I WOULD HOPE YOU WOULD BE
[1:04:44] GRABBING EVERY ITEM OF COST, LOOKING FOR SAVINGS AT THIS TIME
[1:04:47] ISN'T JUST GOOD SENSE AND GOOD HOUSEKEEPING.
[1:04:50] IT IS AN ABSOLUTE NECESSITY UNLESS YOU WANT TO BECOME THE
[1:04:55] MUNICIPAL EQUIVALENT OF BLOCKBUSTER.
[1:05:00] >>Mayor Alpert: THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS, ANY DISCUSSION OR
[1:05:07] QUESTIONS OR A MOTION? >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: I'LL
[1:05:19] MOVE APPROVAL OF AGENDA ITEM 6.5.
[1:05:22] >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: SECOND. >>Mayor Alpert: COMMISSIONER
[1:05:28] OHLRICH MOVED APPROVAL OF AGENDA ITEM 6.5.
[1:05:31] COMMISSIONER AHEARN-KOCH SECONDED.
[1:05:33] IF YOU'LL VOTE, COMMISSIONERS. IS THAT YOUR VOTE?
[1:05:40] ALL RIGHT. THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[1:05:42] THANK YOU. LET'S MOVE ON TO CONSENT AGENDA
[1:05:46] NUMBER TWO. ANY ITEMS TO BE PULLED THERE?
[1:05:50] >>Shayla Griggs: YES, MAYOR. COMMISSIONER AHEARN-KOCH PULLED
[1:05:54] ITEM 7.3 AND 7.4. THAT IS ALL I AM AWARE OF.
[1:06:01] >>Mayor Alpert: ALL RIGHT. IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE
[1:06:04] BALANCE? YOU'VE GOT TO READ THEM.
[1:06:06] SORRY. >>Shayla Griggs: I'LL READ ALL
[1:06:11] OF THEM. RESOLUTION 26 R-3358, A
[1:06:13] RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF
[1:06:15] SARASOTA, FLORIDA, RELATING TO THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF
[1:06:19] ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION STATE REVOLVING FUND LOAN PROGRAM,
[1:06:23] MAKING FINDINGS, AUTHORIZING AMENDMENT 1 TO LOAN AGREEMENT DW
[1:06:28] 580250, PROVIDING ASSURANCES, PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS,
[1:06:32] SEVERABILITY, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
[1:06:36] RESOLUTION 26 R-3359, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY
[1:06:37] COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SARASOTA, FLORIDA, RELATING TO
[1:06:40] THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION STATE
[1:06:44] REVOLVING FUND LOAN PROGRAM, MAKING FINDINGS, AUTHORIZING
[1:06:47] AMENDMENT 1 TO LOAN AGREEMENT WW 580260, PROVIDING ASSURANCES,
[1:06:52] PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS, SEVERABILITY, AND AN EFFECTIVE
[1:06:57] DATE. RESOLUTION NUMBER 25-5577, AN
[1:07:02] ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF SARASOTA, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE
[1:07:05] COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF THE CITY OF SARASOTA, AKA, THE SARASOTA
[1:07:08] CITY PLAN, TO REVISE THE TEXT OF ACTION STRATEGY 4.15 OF THE
[1:07:13] FUTURE LAND USE CHAPTER TO PROVIDE THAT THE ZONING CODE
[1:07:16] RATHER THAN THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN IS THE DOCUMENT THAT
[1:07:19] CONTAINS THE OFFICIAL MAP OF PRIMARY GRID STREETS AND TO
[1:07:22] RELOCATE THE MODIFIED TEXT OF SAID ACTION STRATEGY FROM
[1:07:28] OBJECTIVE 4, DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN, TO OBJECTIVE 2, LAND
[1:07:32] DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, REPEALING ORDINANCES IN
[1:07:35] CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR THE SEVERABILITY OF THE PARTS
[1:07:37] HEREOF, PROVIDING FOR READING BY TITLE ONLY AND PROVIDING AN
[1:07:39] EFFECTIVE DATE. ORDINANCE NUMBER 5580, AN
[1:07:48] ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF SARASOTA, FLORIDA, TO REZONE
[1:07:51] THAT CERTAIN VACANT PARCEL OF REAL PROPERTY TOTALING
[1:07:56] APPROXIMATELY 1.35 + ACRES LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER
[1:08:00] OF ASPINWALL STREET AND RHODES AVENUE WITH A STREET ADDRESS OF
[1:08:04] 351 NORTH RHODES AVENUE FROM THE OFFICE REGIONAL DISTRICT ORD TO
[1:08:09] THE URBAN MIX USE 1 MU-1 ZONE DISTRICT, APPROVING SITE PLAN
[1:08:14] APPLICATION NUMBER 24-SP-11 TO ALLOW CONSTRUCTION OF A 17 UNIT
[1:08:19] SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT TO BE PLATTED AS
[1:08:22] INDIVIDUAL LOTS UPON THE REZONED REAL PROPERTY, ALL AS MORE
[1:08:26] PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN, PROVIDING FOR READING BY TITLE
[1:08:29] ONLY, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
[1:08:36] >>Mayor Alpert: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[1:08:38] CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BALANCE OF AGENDA NUMBER 2,
[1:08:42] WHICH IS ITEM 7.1 AND 7.2? >>Kyle Battie: SO MOVED.
[1:08:46] >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: SECOND. >>Mayor Alpert: COMMISSIONER
[1:08:48] BATTIE MOVED TO APPROVE THE BALANCE OF CONSENT AGENDA NUMBER
[1:08:53] 1 WHICH INCLUDE ITEM 7.1 AND 7.2.
[1:08:56] COMMISSIONER OHLRICH SECONDED. >>Vice-Mayor Trice: THAT'S
[1:08:59] CONSENT AGENDA 2. >>Mayor Alpert: I SAID ONE.
[1:09:03] CONSENT AGENDA 2. THANK YOU.
[1:09:05] >>Shayla Griggs: ALSO ROLL CALL. >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: YES.
[1:09:07] >>Mayor Alpert: YES. >>Kyle Battie: YES.
[1:09:08] >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: YES. >>Vice-Mayor Trice: YES.
[1:09:13] >>Mayor Alpert: OKAY. NOW GOING TO -- IS THAT YOUR
[1:09:15] VOTE, COMMISSIONERS? >> YES.
[1:09:19] >>Shayla Griggs: MOTION PASSES. >>Mayor Alpert: TRYING TO FINISH
[1:09:22] BY 5 HERE. ITEM 7.3, COMMISSIONER
[1:09:26] AHEARN-KOCH, YOU PULLED THAT. >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: I PULLED THIS
[1:09:28] TO HAVE AN EXPRESSED VOTE ON IT. UNLESS ANYBODY HAS COMMENTS, I
[1:09:32] MOVE APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE 25-5577.
[1:09:36] >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: SECOND. >>Mayor Alpert: COMMISSIONER
[1:09:38] AHEARN-KOCH MOVED APPROVAL ON ITEM 7.3.
[1:09:41] COMMISSIONER OHLRICH SECONDED. IF YOU'LL VOTE, COMMISSIONERS.
[1:09:45] YES. >>Kyle Battie: YES.
[1:09:47] >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: YES. >>Vice-Mayor Trice: YES.
[1:09:48] >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: YES. >>Mayor Alpert: IS THAT YOUR
[1:09:51] VOTE, COMMISSIONERS? PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[1:09:55] ITEM 7.4. >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: SAME.
[1:09:57] TO HAVE AN EXPRESSED VOTE ON AN ORDINANCE, UNLESS THERE ARE ANY
[1:10:00] COMMENTS, I WOULD MOVE APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE 25-5580.
[1:10:05] >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: SECOND. >>Vice-Mayor Trice: I WOULD LIKE
[1:10:07] TO MAKE A COMMENT, MAYOR. >>Mayor Alpert: SURE.
[1:10:10] >>Vice-Mayor Trice: I JUST WANT TO SAY IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR
[1:10:13] US TO BE SUPPORTING HABITAT FOR HUMANITY AND THEIR SUPPORT FOR
[1:10:18] THE PEOPLE OF SARASOTA IN HELPING TO PROVIDE LOW-INCOME
[1:10:22] HOUSING AND OWNERSHIP OF THAT LOW-INCOME HOUSING.
[1:10:29] >>Mayor Alpert: ALL RIGHT. CAN I GET A MOTION?
[1:10:32] >>Shayla Griggs: ALREADY DID THAT.
[1:10:35] ALSO ROLL CALL. BATTIE?
[1:10:37] >>Kyle Battie: YES. >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: YES.
[1:10:39] >>Vice-Mayor Trice: YES. >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: YES.
[1:10:40] >>Mayor Alpert: YES. >>Shayla Griggs: MOTION PASSES
[1:10:46] 5-0. >>Mayor Alpert: MOTION PASSES
[1:10:48] 5-0. ALL RIGHT.
[1:10:52] CITY MANAGER SEARCH UPDATE, ITEM 9 FOR UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
[1:10:57] >>Shayla Griggs: THANK YOU. AS OF RIGHT NOW, TODAY, THANK
[1:11:01] YOU ALL FOR MEETING WITH THE STRATEGIC -- I MEAN, THE SEARCH
[1:11:08] FIRM. HE DEFINITELY STATED THAT HE GOT
[1:11:12] A LOT OF FEEDBACK. OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE THE
[1:11:18] ADVERTISEMENT BEFORE YOU ALL TO REVIEW AT THE NEXT CITY
[1:11:21] COMMISSION MEETING. HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET ALL OF THAT
[1:11:25] COMPILED AND HE CAN GET THAT DONE AND HAVE OFFICIAL
[1:11:28] ADVERTISEMENT READY FOR YOU ALL TO REVIEW AND HOPEFULLY APPROVE
[1:11:31] SO WE CAN KIND OF FORWARD THE PROCESS.
[1:11:37] >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: WILL WE BE GETTING THAT AHEAD OF TIME?
[1:11:40] >>Shayla Griggs: YES. AS SOON AS WE GET IT, YEAH.
[1:11:43] >>Joseph Polzak: IT WILL BE ON THE AGENDA FOR FORMAL APPROVAL.
[1:11:47] >>Shayla Griggs: THAT'S ALL THE UPDATES WE HAVE.
[1:11:50] >>Joseph Polzak: YES, THAT'S IT. >>Mayor Alpert: IF THERE'S
[1:11:52] NOTHING ELSE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO LEGISLATIVE PUBLIC HEARING.
[1:12:01] I'M GOING TO CALL UPON THE CITY AUDITOR AND CLERK TO ADMINISTER
[1:12:05] THE OATH. >>Shayla Griggs: ANYONE WHO
[1:12:07] PLANS TO SPEAK AT THIS PUBLIC HEARING TODAY, PLEASE STAND AND
[1:12:09] TAKE THE OATH. >>Mayor Alpert: ITEM 10.1.
[1:12:17] >>Shayla Griggs: DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE EVIDENCE OR
[1:12:20] FACTUAL REPRESENTATIONS WHICH YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE OR PRESENT
[1:12:22] TO THIS COMMISSION DURING ANY PUBLIC HEARING HELD THIS 20th
[1:12:26] DAY OF OCTOBER, 2025, ARE TRUTHFUL?
[1:12:29] THANK YOU. >>Mayor Alpert: ALL RIGHT.
[1:12:31] I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON PROPOSED ORDINANCE
[1:12:37] 25-5583 AND CALL UPON THE CITY AUDITOR AND CLERK TO READ THE
[1:12:41] TITLE. >>Shayla Griggs: THANK YOU,
[1:12:42] MAYOR. PLEASE BE PATIENT WITH ME.
[1:12:44] THIS IS A LONG ONE, EVERYONE. ORDINANCE 25-5583, AN ORDINANCE
[1:12:49] OF THE CITY OF SARASOTA, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE ZONING
[1:12:53] CODE 2002 EDITION, ARTICLE II, DEFINITIONS AND RULES OF
[1:12:57] CONSTRUCTION, TO MODIFY DEFINITION OF DWELLING UNIT AND
[1:12:59] PROTECTED TREE, AND DELETE DEFINITION OF COMMERCIAL PARKING
[1:13:03] LOTS, ARTICLE III, DECISION MAKING AND ADMINISTRATIVE
[1:13:05] BODIES, TO REMOVE THE CITY COMMISSION AND PLANNING BOARD
[1:13:08] AUTHORITY TO APPROVE AND REVIEW SUBDIVISION PLATS CONSISTENT
[1:13:12] WITH STATE STATUTE, AND ELIMINATE THE REQUIREMENT THAT
[1:13:15] THE BUILDING OFFICIAL BE APPOINTED BY THE CITY MANAGER;
[1:13:20] ARTICLE IV, DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCEDURES, TO ESTABLISH THE
[1:13:23] ABILITY FOR THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD TO GRANT
[1:13:25] VARIANCES OR ADJUSTMENTS TO THE MAXIMUM DENSITY WHEN A LOCALLY
[1:13:30] DESIGNATED HISTORIC STRUCTURE IS RELOCATED TO A DIFFERENT ZONING
[1:13:34] LOT, AND MODIFY SUBDIVISIONS/PLATS STANDARDS;
[1:13:39] ARTICLE VI, ZONE DISTRICTS, TO MODIFY BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS
[1:13:42] IN DOWNTOWN ZONE DISTRICTS, ELIMINATE STORAGE REQUIREMENT IN
[1:13:47] SINGLE-FAMILY ZONES, MODIFY DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN
[1:13:49] DOWNTOWN ZONE DISTRICTS, MODIFY LANDSCAPING PLAN REQUIREMENTS,
[1:13:52] MODIFY DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN URBAN MIXED-USE DISTRICTS, AND
[1:13:57] AMEND STAGING PLAN REQUIREMENTS; ARTICLE VII, REGULATIONS OF
[1:14:00] GENERAL APPLICABILITY, TO MODIFY POOL AND POOL CAGE SETBACKS,
[1:14:04] CLARIFY BICYCLE STANDARDS, CLARIFY THAT THE PARKING IS
[1:14:07] PROHIBITED IN WATERFRONT SETBACKS, MODIFY RECOMMENDED
[1:14:10] TREE LIST, CLARIFY GRAND TREE PERMIT REQUIREMENTS, CLARIFY
[1:14:14] TREE PROTECTION STANDARDS DURING AN EMERGENCY, MODIFY PLANT
[1:14:17] MATERIAL AND INSTALLATION STANDARDS, CLARIFY WINDOW SIGN
[1:14:21] PERMIT REQUIREMENTS AND STANDARDS, AND MODIFY HOW HEIGHT
[1:14:24] OF STRUCTURES LESS THAN 30 INCHES ARE MEASURED WITHIN THE
[1:14:29] WATERFRONT SETBACK; ARTICLE VIII, ENFORCEMENT PROCEEDINGS
[1:14:32] AND PENALTIES TO ADD CERTAIN AGREEMENTS TO BE ENFORCED BY
[1:14:37] CODE ENFORCEMENT; FOR SEVERABILITY OF THE PARTS
[1:14:39] HEREOF; PROVIDING FOR READING BY TITLE ONLY; AND PROVIDING FOR AN
[1:14:44] EFFECTIVE DATE. >>Mayor Alpert: THANK YOU VERY
[1:14:45] MUCH. NOW WE'LL CALL UPON OUR PLANNING
[1:14:49] GENERAL MANAGER CHAPDELAIN AND CHIEF PLANNER DOBBS TO MAKE A
[1:14:53] PRESENTATION. >>Ryan Chapdelain: THANK YOU.
[1:14:55] GOOD MORNING, RYAN CHAPDELAIN, GENERAL MANAGER OF THE PLANNING
[1:14:59] DEPARTMENT. AND BRIANA DOBBS, CHIEF PLANNER.
[1:15:03] GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE ZTA BATCH THAT MS. GRIGGS JUST READ
[1:15:08] OFF. WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO HERE, WE
[1:15:10] DO THIS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, SO THIS IS THE ONE FOR 2025.
[1:15:15] WE HAVE ROUGHLY 22 INDIVIDUAL ITEMS.
[1:15:18] WE'LL GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THAT.
[1:15:23] SEPTEMBER 10, 2025, THE PLANNING BOARD HEARD THIS AND THEY
[1:15:28] RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR ALL OF THESE BUT TWO.
[1:15:31] AND THAT'S NUMBER 8, LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS AND NUMBER 15,
[1:15:34] MAXIMUM BUILDING LENGTH. WE'LL GET INTO A LITTLE MORE
[1:15:37] DETAIL ON THAT AS PART OF THE PRESENTATION.
[1:15:39] ONE OTHER ITEM I WANTED TO MENTION, THERE WAS A ZT ITEM
[1:15:42] THAT THE PLANNING BOARD HEARD THAT HAS SINCE BEEN WITHDRAWN
[1:15:47] FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING BASED ON THE GUIDANCE OF INTERIM CITY
[1:15:50] MANAGER MR. BULLOCK. IT DEALT WITH HOW THE BUILDING
[1:15:54] OFFICIAL APPOINTED. SLIGHT CONFLICT BETWEEN THE
[1:15:56] ZONING CODE AND CITY CODE. WE BELIEVE THE CITY CODE WILL
[1:15:58] PROBABLY BE THE MORE APPROPRIATE DOCUMENT IN WHICH TO MAKE THAT
[1:16:02] AMENDMENT. THAT WILL BE COMING FORWARD
[1:16:05] SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE. THAT'S WITHDRAWN FOR THIS
[1:16:09] PARTICULAR HEARING. WITH THAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND
[1:16:12] GET STARTED. THE FIRST ONE THAT YOU HAVE
[1:16:14] BEFORE YOU HERE IS REGARDING ROOFTOP MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT.
[1:16:17] THIS IS AN AMENDMENT THAT CLARIFIES THAT EQUIPMENT BE
[1:16:21] FULLY SCREENED FROM ALL SIDES. IT ALLOWS DECORATIVE PANELS
[1:16:25] INCLUDING METAL TO BE USED PROMOTING VISUAL COMPATIBILITY
[1:16:28] AND ADDRESSING ANY CONFUSION RELATED TO PERMITTED SCREENING
[1:16:30] MATERIALS. >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: MAYOR,
[1:16:37] SHOULD WE ASK QUESTIONS AFTER EACH ITEM OR AT THE VERY END?
[1:16:42] >>Mayor Alpert: I WOULD PREFER WE WAIT UNTIL THE VERY END SO
[1:16:45] THEY CAN GET THROUGH THEIR PRESENTATION.
[1:16:51] >>Ryan Chapdelain: NEXT IS DWELLING UNIT DEFINITION WE
[1:16:54] RECEIVED A LOT OF PERMIT -- REDOING A HOUSE WITH A POOL.
[1:16:59] WANT A DESIGNATED POOL BATH. CURRENTLY IN THE CODE,
[1:17:03] DEFINITION OF DWELLING UNIT REQUIRES THAT ALL THE ROOMS HAVE
[1:17:05] AN INTERNAL CONNECTION. THIS WOULD MODIFY THAT
[1:17:07] DEFINITION TO ALLOW AN ATTACHED ACCESSORY ROOM TO NOT HAVE THAT
[1:17:12] INTERNAL CONNECTION TO THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE.
[1:17:13] YOU SEE IN THE GRAPHIC THERE, A POOL BATH THAT WOULDN'T CONNECT
[1:17:17] INTO THE INTERIOR OF THE HOUSE. UTILITY ROOM OR STORAGE ROOM
[1:17:22] COULD ALSO HAVE THAT SAME TYPE OF COMPONENT.
[1:17:26] THE NEXT ITEM IS COMMERCIAL PARKING.
[1:17:28] RIGHT NOW IN THE CODE WE HAVE TWO COMMERCIAL PARKING
[1:17:32] DEFINITIONS. ONE IS A LITTLE MORE RESTRICTIVE
[1:17:36] AND THAT IS ENCOMPASSING AS THE OTHER.
[1:17:39] WE'LL GO WITH THE MORE ENCOMPASSING DEFINITION TO
[1:17:42] MINIMIZE CONFUSION AND REALLY CLARIFY HOW COMMERCIAL PARKING
[1:17:45] LOTS AND GARAGES CAN BE USED. IT CAN BE FOUR FEET OR NOT FOUR
[1:17:52] FEET. JUST CREATING THAT MORE
[1:17:54] ENCOMPASSING DEFINITION OR GOING WITH THAT PARTICULAR DEFINITION.
[1:18:01] SETBACK REQUIREMENT FOR POOLS. THIS ITEM CLARIFIES THAT A
[1:18:04] CONSISTENT FIVE FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT FOR SWIMMING POOLS
[1:18:09] AND POOL CAGES HELPS STREAMLINE THE PERMIT REVIEW AND PREVENTS
[1:18:15] SITE DESIGN ISSUES. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
[1:18:18] PEOPLE GOING INTO THIS WHEN THEY ARE BUILDING A POOL, THAT THEY
[1:18:21] KNOW IT IS A FIVE FOOT SETBACK. IF THE POOL IS FIVE FEET, YOU
[1:18:26] WANT TO ERECT THE CAGE LATER ON, THAT MAY CAUSE AN ISSUE.
[1:18:29] MAKING IT VERY CLEAR IN THE CODE WHAT THESE REQUIREMENTS ARE.
[1:18:34] BICYCLE PARKING, THIS SIMPLY IS JUST CLARIFYING THAT IT APPLIES
[1:18:39] TO ALL DEVELOPMENTS OR NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS
[1:18:41] EITHER IN THE DOWNTOWN OR OUTSIDE THE DOWNTOWN.
[1:18:45] JUST PROVIDING THAT CLARITY WITHIN THE CODE.
[1:18:50] LOCATION OF PARKING AND WATERFRONT SETBACKS, AGAIN, MORE
[1:18:53] OF A CLARIFICATION WITHIN THE CODE, ENUMERATING IT
[1:18:56] SPECIFICALLY IN THE CODE THAT IT CLEARLY STATES THAT PARKING IS
[1:19:00] NOT ALLOWED IN ANY REQUIRED WATERFRONT SETBACK.
[1:19:05] I'M GOING TO PASS IT OVER TO MS. DOBBS.
[1:19:09] >>Briana Dobbs: BRIANA DOBBS, CHIEF PLANNER FOR THE RECORD.
[1:19:12] ITEM NUMBER 7, ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT PROPOSES TO REMOVE THE
[1:19:15] TWO-STORY LIMIT IN THE RSM 9 DISTRICT WHICH IS IN LAUREL PARK
[1:19:18] WHILE MAINTAINING THE 30-FOOT MAXIMUM HEIGHT, ELIMINATING THE
[1:19:22] NUMBER OF STORIES IS CONSISTENT WITH ALL THE OTHER SINGLE-FAMILY
[1:19:25] ZONE DISTRICTS THAT CURRENTLY ARE ONLY MEASURED HEIGHT AND
[1:19:29] FEET. ADDITIONALLY, THERE IS AMENDMENT
[1:19:30] TO SECTION 6-1005 DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
[1:19:33] THAT'S BEING UPDATED FOR CONSISTENCY WITH THIS CHANGE.
[1:19:42] ITEM NUMBER 8 ALLOWS LOTS WITH A FRONT WIDTH OF 30 FEET OR LESS,
[1:19:48] WHICH IS TYPICALLY AN ATTACHED SINGLE-FAMILY HOME OR A TOWNHOME
[1:19:51] TO PLANT AN UNDERSTORY TREE WHEN IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO PLANT A
[1:19:56] CANOPY TREE TO MEET THE LANDSCAPE PLAN REQUIREMENTS.
[1:19:58] THIS APPROACH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ZONING CODE RIGHT TREE,
[1:20:02] RIGHT PLACE PRINCIPLE WHICH REQUIRES SITE EVALUATION AND
[1:20:05] SPECIE SELECTIONS BASED ON FACTORS SUCH AS UTILITY
[1:20:09] CONFLICTS, SOIL CONDITIONS, ROOT SPACING AND MATURE SIZE.
[1:20:13] I DO HAVE SOME EXAMPLES OF UNDERSTORY TREES THAT ARE
[1:20:18] FLORIDA FRIENDLY AND NATIVE THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED HERE.
[1:20:22] THE ZONING CODE, UNDERSTORY TREE DOES REACH UP TO 35 FEET AT
[1:20:27] MATURE SIZE. JUST A COUPLE MORE GRAPHICS.
[1:20:34] ITEM NUMBER 9 MOVES INVASIVE AND MISCLASSIFIED SPECIES FROM THE
[1:20:40] PROTECTED TREE. RECLINATA CLASS 2 INVASIVE FROM
[1:20:44] THE INVASIVE COUNCIL AND SAW PALMETTO DOES NOT MEET THE
[1:20:48] PROTECTED TREE DUE TO THE TYPICAL TRUNK HEIGHT.
[1:20:53] ITEM NUMBER 10, PINK TABEBUIA IS BEING REMOVED FROM THE CITY'S
[1:20:57] RECOMMENDED TREE LIST BECAUSE IT IS NOW CONSIDERED A CLASS 2
[1:21:01] INVASIVE SPECIES IN SOUTH FLORIDA BY THE FLORIDA INVASIVE
[1:21:04] SPECIES COUNCIL. THIS AMENDMENT DOES NOT PROHIBIT
[1:21:06] PLANTING THE TREE. IT SIMPLY MEANS IT WILL NO
[1:21:10] LONGER BE PROMOTED AS ONE OF THE CITY'S OPTIONS SINCE IT IS NOW
[1:21:13] INVASIVE. ITEM NUMBER 11 REINFORCES THE
[1:21:18] EXISTING REQUIREMENT THAT TREE REMOVAL PERMITS FOR GRAND TREES
[1:21:21] MUST BE POSTED AND GRAND TREES MUST BE CLEARLY IDENTIFIED WITH
[1:21:24] AN ORANGE RIBBON. TREES NOT PROPERLY MARKED WILL
[1:21:27] BE SUBJECT TO A FINE. ITEM NUMBER 12 CLARIFIES THAT
[1:21:33] THE SUSPENDED TREE PROTECTION STANDARDS ONLY APPLY TO TREES
[1:21:36] THAT ARE DEAD, STORM DAMAGED, UPROOTED OR DOWNED AND IT DOES
[1:21:41] NOT APPLY TO HEALTHY TREES. ITEM NUMBER 13, EXISTING
[1:21:49] REGULATIONS IN THE ZONING CODE ALLOW THREE PALM TREES PLANTED
[1:21:53] AT 12 FEET HIGH TO EQUAL TO ONE REQUIRED CANOPY TREE.
[1:21:57] THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT PROPOSES TO REMOVE QUEEN PALM AS
[1:22:01] IT IS NOW CONSIDERED A CLASS TWO INVASIVE AND REPLACES WITH A
[1:22:05] RIBBON PALM TO COUNT TOWARD THE CANOPY TREE REQUIREMENT AT 3:1
[1:22:09] RATIO. RIBBON PALM IS CONSIDERED
[1:22:13] FLORIDA FRIENDLY. ITEM 14 MODIFIES THE EXISTING 1O
[1:22:19] FINISHED CEILING HEIGHT REQUIREMENT AT THE SIDEWALK
[1:22:21] LEVEL TO ONLY APPLY FOR A MINIMUM OF 20 FEET IN DEPTH
[1:22:25] INSTEAD OF THE ENTIRE DEPTH OF THE BUILDING, SIMILAR TO THE
[1:22:29] HABITABLE SPACE AND FINISHED FLOOR REQUIREMENTS FOR THE
[1:22:32] DOWNTOWN CORE AND DOWNTOWN BAYFRONT BALANCING DESIGN
[1:22:36] CONSISTENCIES WITH PRIMARY STREET STANDARDS.
[1:22:39] HAVE SEEN DEVELOPMENTS HAVING ISSUES MEETING THE 12-FOOT
[1:22:41] HEIGHT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE DEPTH OF THE BUILDING.
[1:22:43] MANY TIMES SEE A LINER BUILDING AND THAT WOULD BE LINING A
[1:22:47] GARAGE. THE GARAGE WOULD NEED TO STILL
[1:22:50] MEET THAT ENTIRE HEIGHT STANDARD.
[1:22:51] MIGHT BE NECESSARY TO HAVE THE 12 FEET HEIGHT.
[1:22:56] ITEM NUMBER 15 PROPOSES TO INCREASE THE MAXIMUM BUILDING
[1:22:59] LENGTH FROM 200 TO 250, WHICH ALLOWS MORE DESIGN FLEXIBILITY
[1:23:03] WHILE STILL PROTECTING WALKABILITY.
[1:23:06] THIS REQUIREMENT IS ONLY APPLICABLE TO THE URBAN MIXED
[1:23:09] USE ZONE DISTRICTS WHICH CAN BE FOUND ALONG THE CITY'S
[1:23:12] COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS. ONE EXAMPLE OF A BUILDING THAT
[1:23:15] EXCEEDS THE 200-FOOT LENGTH IS CITRUS SQUARE PHASE TWO WHICH IS
[1:23:20] PROVIDED IMAGE ON THE SCREEN. ITEM NUMBER 16 RELOCATES
[1:23:26] EXISTING LANGUAGE ABOUT CONSTRUCTION STAGING PLANS FOR
[1:23:28] CLARITY AND REINFORCES THAT THESE PLANS ARE REQUIRED FOR
[1:23:32] NONRESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS. ALL RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION
[1:23:34] GREATER THAN 5,000 SQUARE FEET AND MAJOR RENOVATIONS GREATER
[1:23:38] THAN 5,000 SQUARE FEET, EXISTING LANGUAGE AND STANDARDS ARE NOT
[1:23:40] BEING CHANGED. THIS IS SIMPLY BEING RELOCATED
[1:23:44] TO THE APPROPRIATE LOCATION AND APPLICABILITY OF THE SECTION.
[1:23:51] ITEM NUMBER 17 ALLOWS THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD TO
[1:23:54] GRANT DENSITIES, DENSITY VARIANCES OR ADJUSTMENTS WHEN
[1:23:57] RELOCATING LOCALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC STRUCTURES.
[1:24:00] THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT PROVIDES RELIEF THAT MAY INCENTIVE
[1:24:04] PRESERVING A LOCAL DESIGNATED BUILDING.
[1:24:06] THIS IS GOING TO BE USED WITH THE McALPIN HOUSE.
[1:24:15] NUMBER 18, SENATE BILL 812 ESTABLISHES AN EXPEDITED
[1:24:18] PERMITTING PROCESS THAT ALLOWS ISSUANCE UP TO 75% OF
[1:24:23] RESIDENTIAL BUILDING PERMITS BASED ON THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.
[1:24:25] PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF FINAL PLAT.
[1:24:28] SENATE BILL 784 REQUIRES A PLAT OR REPLAT TO BE APPROVED,
[1:24:32] APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS OR DENIED ADMINISTRATIVELY RATHER
[1:24:35] THAN GOING TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND CITY COMMISSION.
[1:24:38] SO THESE TWO CHANGES LINE THE CITY SUBDIVISIONS AND PLAT
[1:24:42] PROCESS WITH THE NEWER SENATE BILLS AS WELL AS NEW STATE
[1:24:46] STATUTE. >>Ryan Chapdelain: FEW MORE TO
[1:24:49] GO HERE. EXTERIOR FINISH MATERIALS.
[1:24:54] PRIMARY STREETS ONLY SPECIFIC EXTERIOR FINISHED MATERIALS ARE
[1:24:59] ALLOWED. SEMEN TISSUES FINISH IS A COMMON
[1:25:05] MATERIAL ALLOWED AS EXTERIOR. WINDOW SURROUNDS MADE OF METAL
[1:25:09] AND PERMITTED ON PRIMARY STREETS.
[1:25:12] THIS ADDS CEMENTITIOUS FINISH AS PERMITTED MATERIAL.
[1:25:22] ENFORCEMENT REGARDING VIOLATIONS, PENALTIES, REMEDIES,
[1:25:26] THIS RELATES TO JUST KIND OF ANOTHER LAYER OF PROTECTION FOR
[1:25:29] THE CITY. CURRENTLY, AFFORDABLE HOUSING
[1:25:31] AGREEMENTS RELATED TO DENSITY BONUSES AND HISTORIC
[1:25:35] PRESERVATION TRANSFER DEVELOPMENT RIGHT AGREEMENTS
[1:25:36] CURRENTLY ALLOW THE CITY MANAGER TO ENFORCE THESE AGREEMENTS
[1:25:39] THROUGH THE BUILDING DIVISION AND CODE ENFORCEMENT
[1:25:42] PROCEEDINGS. THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE CODIFIES
[1:25:43] THIS IN THE ZONING CODE. THAT THE CITY MANAGER MAY
[1:25:48] ENFORCE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, DENSITY BONUS AGREEMENTS AND
[1:25:52] HISTORIC PRESERVATION TRANSFER DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS AGREEMENTS
[1:25:54] FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCEEDINGS.
[1:25:57] AGAIN, BOTH OF THOSE AGREEMENTS THAT WERE MENTIONED HAVE DEFAULT
[1:25:59] PROVISIONS IN THEM. AGAIN, ANOTHER LAYER OF
[1:26:02] PROTECTION FOR THE CITY, ONE WE WORK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S
[1:26:05] OFFICE ON TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS INCORPORATED IN THE ZONING CODE.
[1:26:10] WINDOW SIGNS, THIS IS PRETTY SIMPLE.
[1:26:13] JUST CLARIFYING THAT ADDITIONAL WINDOW SIGN REGULATION APPLYING
[1:26:17] SPECIFIC COMMERCIAL ZONE DISTRICTS AND OVERLAY DISTRICTS.
[1:26:20] ESSENTIALLY INCLUDING A CROSS-REFERENCE IN THE ZONING
[1:26:22] CODE SO THE ADDITIONAL STANDARDS DO NOT GET MISSED.
[1:26:28] LASTLY, THIS RELATES TO WATERFRONT PROPERTY AND
[1:26:30] SEAWALLS. THERE WAS A ZONING TEXT
[1:26:34] AMENDMENT RECENTLY THAT PERMITTED THE HEIGHT OF
[1:26:37] SEAWALLS, INCREASE THE PERMITTED HEIGHT OF SEAWALLS TO SUPPORT
[1:26:41] LONG-TERM SHORELINE PROTECTION AND RESILIENCY.
[1:26:43] TO DO THAT, PROPERTY OWNERS MAY BE REQUIRED TO BRING ADDITIONAL
[1:26:47] FILL TO HELP FORTIFY THE SEAWALL WHICH WOULD INCREASE THE NATURAL
[1:26:52] GRADE ABOVE 30 INCHES. PROPOSED AMENDMENT WILL ALLOW
[1:26:54] FOR THE HEIGHT OF STRUCTURES NO MORE THAN 30 INCHES IN HEIGHT IN
[1:27:00] WATERFRONT SETBACKS, MAYBE A POOL OR A DECK, TO BE MEASURED
[1:27:03] FROM THE FINISHED GRADE VERSUS THE NATURAL GRADE.
[1:27:09] THAT IS IT. THANK YOU.
[1:27:17] >>Mayor Alpert: ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE THREE PEOPLE SIGNED UP
[1:27:20] TO SPEAK. WE'LL TAKE THEM FIRST.
[1:27:22] THEN WE'LL GET COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS.
[1:27:32] CALLY BROWN. BROOK FLEMMING.
[1:27:36] CHRIS GALLAGHER. I BELIEVE YOU GET FIVE MINUTES.
[1:27:41] STATE YOUR NAME AND WHETHER YOU ARE A CITY RESIDENT.
[1:27:57] >> KELLY BROWN, PRESIDENT OF SARASOTA COALITION OF
[1:27:59] NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, BETTER KNOWN AS CCNA, WHICH
[1:28:03] REPRESENTS OVER 25,000 HOUSEHOLDS WITHIN THE CITY OF
[1:28:05] SARASOTA. WITH RESPECT TO CCNA MEMBER
[1:28:09] FOCUS ON PARTICIPATING IN NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT PLANS,
[1:28:11] WE ARE ASKING THE CITY COMMISSION TO PULL THE ZONING
[1:28:14] TEXT AMENDMENT REQUEST TO MODIFY THE MAXIMUM LENGTH STANDARD FOR
[1:28:17] URBAN MIXED-USE ZONE DISTRICT FROM 200 TO 200 FEET FROM THE
[1:28:21] BATCH FOR DISCUSSION AND ULTIMATELY DENIAL.
[1:28:25] ACCORDING TO CITY STAFF, A ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT IS TO
[1:28:27] RESOLVE AN INCONSISTENCY OR MAKE A CORRECTION.
[1:28:30] WE DO NOT BELIEVE THIS REQUEST FALLS INTO THAT CATEGORY.
[1:28:34] THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT ZONING CHANGE REQUEST THAT SHOULD BE
[1:28:36] CONSIDERED ACCORDINGLY. THE STANDARD -- CURRENT STANDARD
[1:28:40] OF 200 FEET HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR ONE YEAR.
[1:28:42] WITH THE ORIGINAL STANDARD PRESENTED LAST YEAR ASKED FOR
[1:28:46] 300 FEET FOR DEVELOPMENT USE. CITY LEADERSHIP DID NOT APPROVE
[1:28:50] AT THAT TIME. WHEN CCNA REVIEWED THE
[1:28:53] RECOMMENDED BATCH WITH CITY STAFF WEEKS AGO, WE ASKED FOR
[1:28:56] CLARIFICATION AS TO WHERE EACH REQUEST FOR CHANGE ORIGINATED.
[1:28:59] PER STAFF, THIS REQUEST IS A DEVELOPMENT ARCHITECT REQUEST.
[1:29:03] STATED REASON IS THE DIFFICULTY WORKING WITH THE 200-FOOT.
[1:29:07] IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THERE ARE PROJECTS UNDERWAY THAT WERE
[1:29:10] ABLE TO WORK WITH THE 200-FOOT RULE.
[1:29:12] CCNA DID NOT SUPPORT THE STAFF REQUEST TO INCREASE TO 300 FEET.
[1:29:16] CITY STAFF THEN ADJUSTED TO 250 FEET AFTER OUR CONVERSATIONS.
[1:29:20] WE WERE UP FRONT WITH CITY STAFF THAT WE DID NOT SUPPORT
[1:29:24] 250-FOOT. CCNA DOES NOT SUPPORT A CHANGE
[1:29:26] FROM THE 200-FOOT STANDARD THAT IS ONLY ONE YEAR OLD.
[1:29:30] CURRENT CODE ALLOWS ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF A 25%
[1:29:35] VARIANCE LEEWAY WHERE BY IF 250-FOOT INCREASE IS APPROVED
[1:29:37] THE RESULT WOULD BE OVER 300-FOOT BUILDINGS.
[1:29:41] CCNA SPOKE TO THE ISSUE AT THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING WHO
[1:29:43] ULTIMATELY DENIED UNANIMOUSLY. WITH THE REALITY OF SB 180, THE
[1:29:48] CITY AND OUR RESIDENTS WILL BE OBLIGATED TO THIS REQUESTED
[1:29:52] INCREASE FOR AN UNKNOWN AMOUNT OF TIME.
[1:29:54] DO WE EVEN KNOW HOW MANY PROPERTIES COULD IN EFFECT BUILD
[1:30:00] FOOTBALL FIELD LENGTH ADJACENT TO NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE
[1:30:03] CORRIDORS. THE REQUEST TO INCREASE THE
[1:30:04] LENGTH OF BUILDINGS IN THE URBAN ZONE DISTRICT IS UNNECESSARY AND
[1:30:08] IN CONFLICT WITH THE COMMISSION'S DIRECTION JUST ONE
[1:30:11] YEAR AGO. PLEASE DENY THIS REQUEST.
[1:30:12] THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR SUPPORT.
[1:30:17] APPRECIATE YOU. >>Mayor Alpert: THANK YOU VERY
[1:30:19] MUCH. BROOK FLEMMING.
[1:30:20] >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
[1:30:21] FOR THE RECORD, BROOK FLEMMING, CERTIFIED PLANNER WITH
[1:30:24] KIMLEY-HORN. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF OUR CLIENT
[1:30:27] ORANGE PINEAPPLE, LLC, THE CURRENT OWNERS OF THE McALPIN
[1:30:31] HOUSE. WE WANTED TO EXPRESS OUR SUPPORT
[1:30:32] OF THE BATCH AMENDMENT SPECIFICALLY ITEM 17 WHICH WILL
[1:30:35] AUTHORIZE THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD TO PERMIT
[1:30:38] VARIANCE OR ADJUSTMENT IN RELATION TO DENSITY PERMITTED ON
[1:30:40] A LOT. THIS AMENDMENT WILL ALLOW
[1:30:42] FLEXIBILITY FOR THE MOVEMENT OF THE McALPIN HOUSE TO A SITE
[1:30:46] MORE SUITABLE FOR ITS PRESERVATION.
[1:30:48] WE APPLAUD THE CITY FOR TAKING THIS ON AND THE PLANNING
[1:30:50] DEPARTMENT'S WILLINGNESS TO IMPROVE THE CITY'S LAND
[1:30:52] DEVELOPMENT CODE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
[1:30:54] >>Mayor Alpert: THANK YOU. >> CHRIS GALLAGHER.
[1:31:05] I SENT MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, SENT YOU ALL AN
[1:31:07] E-MAIL THIS MORNING. NOT SURE IF YOU GOT TO SEE IT.
[1:31:12] THIS IS ABOUT THE 200-FOOT LONG BUILDING ONE OF THE OTHER
[1:31:16] SPEAKERS JUST SAID THEY UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME IN THE
[1:31:20] PROCESS. THERE MAY BE, I'M NOT AWARE OF
[1:31:23] THEM, I DO KNOW THAT WE I THINK HAD THE FIRST ONE THAT WAS A
[1:31:26] HOTEL UP BY THE AIRPORT WHERE WE HAD TO GET AN ADJUSTMENT FOR
[1:31:32] MAYBE 230-FOOT BUILDING. WE DID GET THE ADJUSTMENT, BUT
[1:31:38] IT STILL PROVIDED LIMITATIONS ON THAT SITE.
[1:31:40] WE HAVE A LOT OF OTHER DIFFERENT SITES WITH LONG BLOCKS ON THEM.
[1:31:43] THE E-MAIL I SENT YOU THIS MORNING LISTED FIVE DIFFERENT
[1:31:46] BUILDINGS IN DOWNTOWN THAT ALL HAVE WELL IN EXCESS OF 200 FEET.
[1:31:51] ARCOS IS 587. LOFTS ON LEMON, AN ENTIRELY
[1:31:55] AFFORDABLE PROJECT IS 383 FEET. THE DISTRICT IS 418 FEET.
[1:32:00] ON MAIN 315 FEET. CITY WIDE 444 FEET.
[1:32:04] AS DESCRIBED EARLIER, EVEN THE TWO PHASES OF CITRUS SQUARE
[1:32:07] NORTH AND SOUTH BOTH LONGER THAN 200 FEET.
[1:32:10] CITY'S PALM AVENUE PARKING GARAGE IS 257 FEET.
[1:32:14] STATE STREET GARAGE WITH ITS 1500 STATE STREET, THE SMALL
[1:32:17] CONDOS AT THE END, TOTALS 349 FEET.
[1:32:20] PALM AVENUE AND STATE STREET AS YOU KNOW ARE PLACES THAT WE
[1:32:25] REGULARLY HOLD CITY FUNCTIONS BECAUSE THEY ARE CONSIDERED TO
[1:32:27] BE ATTRACTIVE STREETS. I SUBMIT TO YOU THAT THE PROBLEM
[1:32:32] IS YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET GOOD ARCHITECTURE NECESSARILY BECAUSE
[1:32:35] YOU MAKE THE BUILDINGS SHORTER. ALSO IN THE PACKET I SENT TO
[1:32:41] YOU, I GAVE A COUPLE MORE EXAMPLES, IF YOU'VE BEEN TO
[1:32:45] LONDON, ONE OF THE MOST WALKABLE CITIES IN THE WORLD AND IT'S GOT
[1:32:50] BLOCK UPON BLOCK WITH TOWN HOUSES THAT GO FAR IN EXCESS OF
[1:32:54] 200 FEET. I ALSO INCLUDED A BUILDING FROM
[1:32:57] MY OWN HOMETOWN OF LOWELL, MASSACHUSETTS, OLD MILL BUILDING
[1:33:00] ON WHAT IS A BEAUTIFUL SEAT. MILL BUILDING IS 700 FEET LONG.
[1:33:04] VERY SIMPLE BUILDING BUT VERY PLEASANT WALK AS WELL.
[1:33:11] AGAIN, I SUGGEST THAT AGAIN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO NECESSARILY
[1:33:14] GET GOOD ARCHITECTURE, BETTER WALKABILITY JUST BECAUSE YOU
[1:33:19] HAVE A BREAK, TEN FOOT BREAK BETWEEN BUILDINGS.
[1:33:23] THINK OF ALL OF MAIN STREET. DO OUR BEST NOT TO HAVE BREAKS
[1:33:27] BETWEEN BUILDINGS THAT THEY CONTINUE ON FOREVER FROM BLOCK
[1:33:30] END TO BLOCK END. THAT EXHIBIT I PUT UP THERE, B
[1:33:35] IS WHAT THE LIMITATIONS WOULD PLACE ON US.
[1:33:37] COULD YOU MOVE THAT UP A TINY BIT?
[1:33:40] IF YOU ARE OVER 200 FEET, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A COUPLE OF
[1:33:43] BUILDINGS. WHAT THAT MEANS IS, AND WITH A
[1:33:48] 10-FOOT SPACE BETWEEN THEM, MY SENSE, 10-FOOT SPACE IS REALLY
[1:33:51] KIND OF A SILLY THING. IMAGINE A FOUR-STORY BUILDING
[1:33:55] WITH TEN FOOT SPACE, REALLY DOESN'T DO THE JOB EITHER OF
[1:33:58] MAKING ANYTHING PLEASANT BUT YOU END UP WITH FOUR STAIRCASES AND
[1:34:01] TWO ELEVATORS. AS OPPOSED TO A SINGLE BUILDING
[1:34:04] WHERE YOU COULD PUT A STAIR AT EACH END.
[1:34:08] SINGLE ELEVATOR. IF YOU DID ALTERNATIVELY DO SOME
[1:34:11] KIND OF RECESS, IF YOU KNOW THE BUILDING, THE ARCOS BUILDING,
[1:34:15] WHICH IS ON A PRIMARY STREET IS ACTUALLY BIGGER THAN THAT THEY
[1:34:20] RECESSED IT WHERE THEY DO THEIR LOADING WHERE THE PARKING GARAGE
[1:34:25] ENTRANCE IS. THERE ARE APARTMENTS ALONG THE
[1:34:27] STREET AND THEN IT FALLS BACK TO THE CORRIDOR, WHICH IS I GUESS
[1:34:32] PROBABLY 25 OR 30 FEET BACK. IF YOU HAD A RECESS IN THAT
[1:34:36] SENSE, YOU GET MUCH BETTER THAN 10 FEET AND YOU GET THE DESIRED
[1:34:42] EFFECT, TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH NOT HAVING A FULL WALL OF BUILDINGS.
[1:34:46] AGAIN, MY RECOMMENDATION TO YOU THIS MORNING AND MY
[1:34:51] RECOMMENDATION AGAIN TODAY -- THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY, WE
[1:34:54] DO HAVE SEVERAL PROJECTS ON THE BOARDS IN THE MU ZONES.
[1:34:57] I CAN TELL YOU, IT IS A STRUGGLE WHEN YOU HAVE A FULL BLOCK THAT
[1:35:00] IS OVER 200 FEET AND TRYING TO MAKE AN EFFICIENT BUILDING OR
[1:35:04] EFFICIENT SET OF BUILDINGS, IT DOES INHIBIT THE FLEXIBILITY ON
[1:35:08] IT, WHICH LEADS TO COST. THE WHOLE POINT OF THE MU ZONES
[1:35:11] WAS TO ENCOURAGE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THAT GOES IN THE
[1:35:15] WRONG DIRECTION. AGAIN, IF YOU CANNOT SEE PAST
[1:35:19] THE 200 FEET, I DO RECOMMEND THAT YOU CONSIDER ANOTHER
[1:35:22] ALTERNATIVE, WHICH IS WHAT I'M PROPOSING IN A ABOVE, WHERE YOU
[1:35:26] DO SOME KIND OF RECESS, SIGNIFICANT RECESS, MORE THAN
[1:35:29] TEN FEET THAT ACTUALLY MAKES IT FEEL LIKE YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING
[1:35:32] SUBSTANTIAL GOING ON. THANK YOU.
[1:35:38] >>Mayor Alpert: THANK YOU ALL. ALL RIGHT.
[1:35:40] WE WILL GO TO COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS, WHICH I SUSPECT THERE
[1:35:46] WILL BE A NUMBER OF THEM. COMMISSIONER OHLRICH.
[1:36:03] >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: THANK YOU, MAYOR.
[1:36:05] JUST SO I CAN GET THINGS FIGURED OUT IN MY HEAD, HOW DO WE WANT
[1:36:08] TO DO THIS? WANT ME TO ASK ALL MY QUESTIONS
[1:36:13] FOR EVERY ONE? >>Mayor Alpert: YOU HAVE TEN
[1:36:15] MINUTES. >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: I HAVE
[1:36:16] TEN MINUTES. EXCELLENT.
[1:36:21] FOR ITEM 1, HAS THE PLANNING BOARD CLARIFICATION BEEN ADDED?
[1:36:27] THEY REQUESTED A CLARIFICATION AT THEIR MEETING?
[1:36:30] >>Ryan Chapdelain: THAT'S CORRECT.
[1:36:31] IT HAS. PARAPET WALLS REQUIRED SCREENING
[1:36:33] TECHNIQUE AND WE HAVE CLARIFIED THAT IN THE LANGUAGE.
[1:36:37] >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: THANK YOU.
[1:36:38] ITEM NUMBER 2, THERE'S NO REFERENCE TO A KITCHEN IN THESE
[1:36:49] DWELLING UNITS. SHOULD IT BE EXPLICIT THAT
[1:36:54] THERE'S NO KITCHEN IN THESE UNITS?
[1:36:59] >>Briana Dobbs: NO, I THINK THIS IS APPROPRIATE.
[1:37:01] IT DOES SAY ANOTHER LOCATION IN THE ZONING CODE WHEN THERE IS A
[1:37:04] KITCHEN THAT IT IS CONSIDERED AN ADDITIONAL UNIT.
[1:37:07] THAT'S HOW DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT AND THEN
[1:37:10] A DWELLING UNIT. >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: OKAY.
[1:37:12] AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE MET.
[1:37:19] WHAT ABOUT A GARAGE OR A CARPORT THAT HAS BEEN ENCLOSED AND MADE
[1:37:26] INTO A LIVING UNIT? IS THAT INCLUDED IN THIS?
[1:37:30] >>Briana Dobbs: THAT WOULD BE AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.
[1:37:33] IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT. >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich:
[1:37:34] DIFFERENT FROM THIS, BUT IT'S ACCOUNTED FOR IN OUR CODE
[1:37:39] SOMEWHERE. >>Briana Dobbs: THAT'S CORRECT.
[1:37:48] >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: ITEM 13, PALM TREES.
[1:37:53] I UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE FOR HAVING THREE PALMS EQUAL ONE
[1:38:03] CANOPY TREE, BUT IF THE PALMS ARE SPREAD OUT, THEY SEEM TO ME
[1:38:10] TO EQUAL THREE TREES, NOT ONE CANOPY.
[1:38:13] IS THERE SOMETHING INCLUDED IN THIS ABOUT PROXIMITY TO EACH
[1:38:19] OTHER FOR THE PALM TREES TO MAKE A GROUPING RATHER THAN THREE
[1:38:24] INDIVIDUAL PALMS? >>Ryan Chapdelain: WE SPOKE WITH
[1:38:26] THE CITY ARBORIST ABOUT THIS. GOOD QUESTION.
[1:38:29] GENERALLY THEY WILL BE CLUSTERED DEPENDING ON WHAT MIGHT BE
[1:38:33] UNDERGROUND OR IF THERE COULD BE CONFLICTS.
[1:38:35] GENERALLY THE PALM TREES ARE CLUSTERED.
[1:38:38] >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: IS THERE WORDING TO ENCOURAGE THAT?
[1:38:43] >>Ryan Chapdelain: THAT IS THE ARBORIST'S MISSION THAT SHE
[1:38:46] STRONGLY ENCOURAGES THAT, WHEN SHE REVIEWS THESE ON A
[1:38:51] CASE-BY-CASE BASIS. >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: YEAH, IF
[1:38:53] WE DON'T HAVE IT IN WORDS, IT'S JUST ONE PERSON ENCOURAGING
[1:38:59] SOMEBODY TO DO SOMETHING, AND THEY CAN SAY NO.
[1:39:06] >>Ryan Chapdelain: THEY COULD. THAT'S GENERALLY BEEN THE
[1:39:09] PRACTICE. AGAIN, THIS IS AN EXISTING CODE
[1:39:12] STANDARD. WE'RE SIMPLY REPLACING WHAT IS
[1:39:15] CONSIDERED INVASIVE TREE NOW WITH A DIFFERENT PALM TREE.
[1:39:18] THAT'S BEEN THE PRACTICE. REQUIRING THAT, WE COULD LOOK AT
[1:39:25] IT JUST MAKING SURE THERE IS NOT A POTENTIAL 180 CONFLICT.
[1:39:29] >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: IS THE ARBORIST HERE?
[1:39:32] >>Ryan Chapdelain: SHE IS. >> JACKIE HARTLEY, CITY
[1:39:47] ARBORIST, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. >>Mayor Alpert: BE SURE TO TALK
[1:39:49] INTO THE MICROPHONE. >> JACKIE HARTLEY, DEVELOPMENT
[1:39:53] SERVICES. SO TODAY WE'RE JUST ASKING TO
[1:39:57] REPLACE THE QUEEN PALM WITH THE RIBBON PALM BECAUSE THE QUEEN
[1:40:06] PALM IS A CLASS TWO EXOTIC. >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: THAT
[1:40:16] DOESN'T SEEM TO ME TO BE WHAT IT SAYS IN THE FOURTH COLUMN,
[1:40:22] GENERAL DESCRIPTION. ON PAGE 11 OF 85.
[1:40:42] IT SAYS, PERMITS THREE PALM TREES OF A CERTAIN SPECIES TO BE
[1:40:47] CONSIDERED EQUIVALENT TO A CANOPY TREE FOR LANDSCAPING AND
[1:40:54] BUFFERING STANDARDS. >> THAT LANGUAGE IS ALREADY IN
[1:40:56] THERE. WE ALREADY DO CONSIDER THE
[1:40:58] ADDITIONAL PALMS HERE. THREE PALMS FOR ONE CANOPY TREE.
[1:41:04] >>Ryan Chapdelain: PAGE 34 IS THE ACTUAL TEXT THAT'S BEING
[1:41:08] PROPOSED TO BE REVISED IN BACKUP MATERIAL.
[1:41:11] >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: I DON'T HAVE PAGE 34 IN FRONT OF ME.
[1:41:13] IS IT LONG? >> THREE OF THE FOLLOWING PALMS
[1:41:15] ARE EQUIVALENT TO ONE REQUIRED CANOPY TREE WHEN PLANTED AT THE
[1:41:21] REQUIRED HEIGHT OF 12 FEET AND AS STATED BEFORE THE QUEEN PALM
[1:41:27] IS NOW CONSIDERED NUISANCE EXOTIC SO WE'D LIKE TO TAKE THAT
[1:41:30] OFF AND WE NEEDED TO REPLACE IT. >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: I SEE.
[1:41:35] CORRECT. THANK YOU.
[1:41:39] MOVING ON, ITEM NUMBER 15, SO THE POINT THAT MS. BROWN FROM
[1:41:50] CCNA MADE IS VERY INTERESTING TO ME.
[1:41:57] IS IT TRUE THAT AN APPLICATION FOR A BUILDING 200 FEET IN
[1:42:06] LENGTH CAN BE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED TO BE HOW LONG?
[1:42:10] >>Ryan Chapdelain: THERE IS AN ADJUSTMENT PROCESS UP TO 25% OF
[1:42:15] THAT DIMENSIONAL STANDARD CAN BE REVIEWED ADMINISTRATIVELY IF IT
[1:42:18] EXCEEDS THAT 25% DIMENSIONAL STANDARD, THEN IT WOULD BE A
[1:42:21] PLANNING BOARD ADJUSTMENT. >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: IT CAN
[1:42:24] BE LONGER THAN 200 FEET. >>Vice-Mayor Trice: 250.
[1:42:29] >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: UP TO. >>Vice-Mayor Trice: WELL, YEAH.
[1:42:31] 25% OF 200. >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: JUST
[1:42:37] WANTED TO GET CLARITY ON THAT. ITEM NUMBER 21, THE WINDOW
[1:42:42] SIGNS. I JUST WANTED TO ENSURE, THERE
[1:42:45] WAS A LOT OF DETAIL IN YOUR MATERIALS REFERENCING ZONING
[1:42:57] CODE 7-110, 5, 16, 19, ET CETERA.
[1:43:01] I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT ST. ARMANDS IS INCLUDED
[1:43:04] SOMEWHERE IN THIS. >>Ryan Chapdelain: IT IS.
[1:43:09] IF YOU SEE CT DOWN THERE, THAT IS A COMMERCIAL TOURIST ZONE
[1:43:13] DISTRICT. >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: THAT'S
[1:43:14] WHAT I THOUGHT. THANK YOU.
[1:43:15] THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS, MAYOR. >>Mayor Alpert: ALL RIGHT.
[1:43:20] WONDERFUL. COMMISSIONER AHEARN-KOCH.
[1:43:21] >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: THANK YOU. I WANTED TO FOCUS ON THE TWO
[1:43:25] THAT WERE DENIED BY THE PLANNING BOARD.
[1:43:28] ITEM NUMBER 8 AND ITEM NUMBER 15.
[1:43:30] IF YOU COULD JUST PLEASE CLARIFY THE DISCUSSION AT THE PLANNING
[1:43:36] BOARD AND WHAT THEIR REASONING WAS FOR RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL
[1:43:39] FOR THOSE TWO ITEMS, NUMBER 8 AND 15.
[1:43:41] >>Ryan Chapdelain: SURE. NUMBER 8, THERE WAS SOME
[1:43:44] DISCUSSION, I THINK, A COUPLE OF PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS WERE
[1:43:47] LOOKING FOR SOME SORT OF COMPROMISE APPROACH.
[1:43:50] JUST FOR SOME CONTEXT, WHAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT HERE
[1:43:54] ARE FEE SIMPLE LOTS GENERALLY 30 FEET OR LESS IN LENGTH.
[1:43:57] THE IDEA WAS IF -- WE TALKED ABOUT UNDERSTORY TREE AND YOU
[1:44:03] SAW THE GRAPHICS IN THE PRESENTATION.
[1:44:05] THE COMPROMISE APPROACH THAT I THINK BASED ON WHAT WE HEARD
[1:44:08] FROM THE PLANNING BOARD WAS THE PREFERENCE IS A CANOPY TREE.
[1:44:13] IF YOU CANNOT DO A CANOPY TREE FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, THEN
[1:44:16] AN UNDERSTORY TREE COULD BE AN ADEQUATE SUBSTITUTE.
[1:44:19] AT LEAST IT'S BETTER THAN NOT HAVING ANY TREE AT ALL.
[1:44:26] IT WAS MENTIONED IN THE PRESENTATION ABOUT THE WHOLE
[1:44:29] RIGHT TREE, RIGHT PLACE PRINCIPLE, MAKING SURE IN TERMS
[1:44:33] OF WHEN YOU HAVE THE SMALL NARROW LOTS, CANOPY TREE, ONCE
[1:44:38] IT IS FULLY MATURE, THE ROOT SYSTEM MAY BE IMPACTING THE
[1:44:43] STRUCTURE OR THE ASPHALT NEARBY, UTILITIES, JUST ENSURING THAT
[1:44:47] THE ROOT SPACING IS APPROPRIATE. GENERALLY THESE TREES I THINK
[1:44:51] ARE PLANTED 30 FEET ON CENTER. JUST MAKING SURE THAT IF WE ARE
[1:44:56] GOING WITH THE CANOPY TREE THERE, IT CAN BE HEALTHY AND
[1:44:59] THRIVE IN THE FUTURE AND NOT SOMETHING REMOVED IN FIVE TO
[1:45:03] SEVEN YEARS. >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: ONE OF MY
[1:45:06] QUESTIONS HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT A LOT OF THIS IS IN
[1:45:10] THEORY THOUGHT ABOUT FOR FUTURE TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT.
[1:45:14] WOULDN'T IT BE WISE TO KEEP IT AND HAVE THEM PLAN AROUND A
[1:45:21] CANOPY TREE, AROUND THE ROOTS THAT ARE GOING TO GROW INSTEAD
[1:45:27] OF SAYING YOU CAN MAXIMIZE THE IMPERVIOUS SPACE AND WE'LL ALLOW
[1:45:34] YOU TO PLANT A TREE THAT HAS LESS CANOPY AND LESS SHADE, LESS
[1:45:43] MASS AND LESS ROOT SYSTEM TO IMPACT YOUR BUILDING, WHO
[1:45:50] WOULDN'T CHOOSE TO DO THAT? WHO WOULDN'T CHOOSE TO MAXIMIZE
[1:45:58] THEIR BUILDING SPACE? WHO WOULD CHOOSE TO SAY, YOU
[1:46:02] KNOW, I'LL VOLUNTARILY PULL BACK ON THE SIZE OF MY UNIT SO I CAN
[1:46:07] PLANT A GINORMOUS GRAND TREE? DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING?
[1:46:14] I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE IMPACTS. IF WE ALLOW THEM LESS, THEY WILL
[1:46:19] ALWAYS CHOOSE LESS OF A TREE, RIGHT?
[1:46:21] OR PLEASE TELL ME THAT I'M WRONG.
[1:46:25] >>Briana Dobbs: THIS IS ALSO FOR THE LOTS THAT ARE 30 FEET OR
[1:46:30] LESS. MOST COMMONLY THE TOWNHOMES.
[1:46:32] SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES THAT DO HAVE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENT ARE 50
[1:46:37] FEET OR LARGER. WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY DRAFTED
[1:46:39] MORE THINKING ABOUT SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, NOT THE
[1:46:42] IDEAS FROM THE ATTACHED SINGLE-FAMILY AND JUST WHAT
[1:46:45] WE'VE HEARD, CITY ARBORIST, HAVE YOU SPEAK ON IT AS WELL, JUST
[1:46:50] THE DIFFERENCE REQUIRED BETWEEN THE CANOPY TREES IS LARGER.
[1:46:55] >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: LET ME ASK YOU THIS, IN OUR ZONING CODE
[1:46:58] ALREADY, IT TALKS ABOUT A GRAND TREE.
[1:47:00] IF THE GRAND TREE TAKES UP 25% OF THE BUILDABLE LOT, THEN WE
[1:47:04] HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT TAKING DOWN, ALLOWING THE REMOVAL OF
[1:47:07] THE GRAND TREE. BUT THEY HAVE TO PROVE THAT THEY
[1:47:12] TRIED OTHER ALTERNATE DESIGNS. SHOULD WE HAVE SOME SORT OF
[1:47:15] LANGUAGE THAT THEY HAVE TO DO SOME SORT OF STANDARDS THAT HAVE
[1:47:17] TO BE MET BEFORE WE ALLOW THE UNDERSTORY TREE?
[1:47:21] MY CONCERN IS IF WE ALLOW IT, LIKE, IF YOU CAN'T DO A GRAND,
[1:47:24] THEN YOU CAN DO AN UNDERSTORY TREE.
[1:47:28] THE GOAL WILL BE AN UNDERSTORY TREE.
[1:47:31] IT WILL NEVER TRY TO BE ACHIEVABLE TO MAKE THE BUILDING
[1:47:34] SMALLER, MAKE THE BUILDING, I DON'T KNOW, CURVE, DO SOMETHING
[1:47:38] TO ALLOW GRAND TREE. IF WE REQUIRE SOME SORT OF
[1:47:45] STEPS, MEASURES, PROOF, EXERCISE TAKEN TO SEE IF A GRAND TREE
[1:47:51] INDEED COULD BE HAD AND IF IT CAN'T, THEN AT THAT TIME ALLOW
[1:47:55] FOR AN UNDERSTORY TREE. >>Ryan Chapdelain: THE WAY THIS
[1:47:58] IS DRAFTED, THE BURDEN WOULD BE ON THE DEVELOPER TO DEMONSTRATE
[1:48:01] THAT THE CANOPY TREE IS NOT FEASIBLE.
[1:48:04] >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: WE HAVE THE LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT YOU FEEL
[1:48:06] SUFFICIENT REQUIRES THEM TO DEMONSTRATE THAT IT'S NOT --
[1:48:11] THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO BUILD OR TO PUT IN A GRAND TREE.
[1:48:15] >>Ryan Chapdelain: I DO BECAUSE OF THE WAY THIS IS DRAFTED.
[1:48:19] AGAIN, THE PREFERENCE IS THE CANOPY TREE.
[1:48:21] CAN'T DO THE CANOPY TREE, THEN THEY NEED TO EXPLAIN WHY THEY
[1:48:26] CANNOT PROVIDE THE CANOPY TREE. >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: THANK YOU.
[1:48:30] ITEM 15 AS WELL, CAN YOU CLARIFY AND SUMMARIZE THE PLANNING
[1:48:34] BOARD'S DISCUSSION ON THAT? >>Ryan Chapdelain: SURE.
[1:48:40] THEY WERE UNANIMOUS IN THEIR RECOMMENDING DENIAL FOR THIS
[1:48:46] PARTICULAR ITEM. THE ADJUSTMENT PROCESS WAS
[1:48:49] BROUGHT UP AS IT WAS HERE. AND THEY FELT WITH THAT PROCESS
[1:48:56] THEY DID NOT SUGGEST MAKING THE CHANGE.
[1:48:59] >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: DID THEY STATE ANY OTHER REASONS WHY THEY
[1:49:01] DIDN'T SUGGEST LIKE THE DOWN-FALLS OF SUPER BLOCKS OR
[1:49:05] ANY OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS? >>Ryan Chapdelain: NO.
[1:49:08] 200, 250 FEET GENERALLY WOULDN'T BE CONSIDERED A SUPER BLOCK.
[1:49:10] I THINK IT WAS MORE JUST -- I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY OTHER THAN THEY
[1:49:17] FELT THE NUMBER THAT WAS IN PLACE TODAY WAS SUFFICIENT WITH
[1:49:20] THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE THAT ADJUSTMENT PROCESS IF NECESSARY.
[1:49:26] >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: I'LL RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE THAT MORE
[1:49:28] THAN 200 FEET IS NOT A SUPER BLOCK.
[1:49:31] ANYWAY, OKAY. THANK YOU.
[1:49:32] THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. >>Mayor Alpert: VICE MAYOR
[1:49:34] TRICE. >>Vice-Mayor Trice: THANK YOU.
[1:49:39] I WANT TO CONFIRM, I HAPPENED TO SEE ON PAGE 34 OF 85 AN ANSWER
[1:49:45] TO COMMISSIONER OHLRICH'S QUESTION AT THE VERY TOP OF THE
[1:49:50] PAGE. IT'S ABOUT THE GROUPING OF THE
[1:49:57] PALMS. AT THE VERY TOP OF THE PAGE, BY
[1:49:58] GROUPING THE SAME SO AS TO CREATE THE EQUIVALENT OF A CROWN
[1:50:02] SPREAD OF 15 FEET. SO THAT WOULD BE RIGHT THERE.
[1:50:08] I BELIEVE THAT ADDRESSES THE CONCERN.
[1:50:11] I HAVE CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS ABOUT NUMBER 15.
[1:50:17] AS YOU KNOW FROM OUR ONE-ON-ONE DISCUSSION YESTERDAY, I THINK WE
[1:50:29] SELECTED 200 ARBITRARILY LAST YEAR AND I WAS THE ONE WHO SAID
[1:50:32] NO MORE THAN 200. SO I APPRECIATE MR. GALLAGHER'S
[1:50:41] CONCERNS, AND I'M NOT INTERESTED AT THIS POINT IN GOING ABOVE THE
[1:50:48] 200. BUT MY QUESTION IS, AS OPPOSED
[1:50:53] AS I AM TO MODIFYING THESE LINE ITEMS FROM THE DAIS, WHAT IS
[1:51:03] YOUR OPINION OF REMOVING THAT LINE ITEM VERSUS TRYING TO AMEND
[1:51:09] IT HERE? IS IT BETTER TO REMOVE NUMBER 15
[1:51:14] IF WE CAN'T SUPPORT IT AS IS OR IS IT BETTER TO NEGOTIATE
[1:51:22] CHANGES? >>Ryan Chapdelain: IT'S
[1:51:23] CERTAINLY YOUR PLEASURE. IT'S NOT A PROBLEM IF IT IS
[1:51:26] REMOVED. THAT'S CERTAINLY FINE.
[1:51:32] . >>Vice-Mayor Trice: WHILE I
[1:51:34] APPRECIATE MR. GALLAGHER'S INPUT, I THINK IT WOULD BE
[1:51:39] BETTER FOR HIM TO WORK WITH YOU AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING,
[1:51:45] ALTERNATIVE TO PROPOSE RATHER THAN US COMING UP WITH SOMETHING
[1:51:48] HERE. IF THAT MAKES SENSE TO YOU.
[1:51:53] >>Briana Dobbs: IT DOES. THANK YOU.
[1:51:54] >>Vice-Mayor Trice: THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
[1:51:55] >>Mayor Alpert: COMMISSIONER AHEARN-KOCH.
[1:51:57] >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: SO ON PAGE 27 FOR NUMBER 8, AGAIN WITH THE
[1:52:02] CANOPY TREE AND THE UNDERSTORY TREE, CAN YOU SHOW ME IN HERE
[1:52:05] THE LANGUAGE THAT SAYS THEY SHOULD TRY FOR A CANOPY TREE AND
[1:52:12] IF NOT, UNDERSTORY IS ALLOWED AND WE'LL ASK THEM TO TRY FOR A
[1:52:16] CANOPY TREE? >>Ryan Chapdelain: I'LL READ IT.
[1:52:19] FOR EACH FRONT ZONING LOT LINE LESS THAN 30 FEET IN LENGTH ONE
[1:52:23] CANOPY TREE IS THE REQUIREMENT. UNDERSTORY TREE MAY BE PLANTED
[1:52:26] WHEN A CANOPY TREE IS NOT FEASIBLE.
[1:52:30] >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: IS THERE A THRESHOLD OR A DEFINITION OF
[1:52:32] WHEN NOT FEASIBLE. THEY COULD SAY IT'S NOT
[1:52:35] FEASIBLE. >>Ryan Chapdelain: THEY NEED TO
[1:52:37] DEMONSTRATE AS TO THE REASONS WHY IT WOULD NOT BE FEASIBLE.
[1:52:43] >> THEY WOULD DO THAT THROUGH THE REVIEW PROCESS LIKE DRC.
[1:52:47] >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: IN THE ZONING CODE, IT IS VERY SPECIFIC.
[1:52:49] THERE IS A NUMBER THEY HAVE TO TRY, THEY HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE,
[1:52:51] THIS HE HAVE TO SHOW THAT THEY HAVE TRIED ALTERNATE DESIGNS TO
[1:52:55] NOT TAKE DOWN A CANOPY TREE. I KNOW THAT.
[1:53:00] BUT WE HAVE LANGUAGE IN OUR CODE ALREADY THAT SAYS IF A GRANT
[1:53:05] TREE TAKES UP 25% OF THE LOT COVERAGE OR MORE, THEN THERE IS
[1:53:12] A PROCESS TO APPLY TO HAVE THE TREE REMOVED.
[1:53:15] BUT AS A LAST RESORT AND THEY DO HAVE TO SHOW THAT THEY HAVE
[1:53:19] TRIED ALTERNATE DESIGNS AND THERE'S NO WORKING AROUND THAT
[1:53:21] GRAND TREE. SO WE HAVE LANGUAGE THAT SAYS TO
[1:53:27] THE DEVELOPERS, YOU MUST TRY TO KEEP A GRAND TREE AND WORK
[1:53:29] AROUND IT. IF YOU CAN'T, YOU HAVE TO SHOW
[1:53:34] US THAT YOU HAVE TRIED. FOR ME, I DON'T THINK THE
[1:53:38] LANGUAGE IS STRONG ENOUGH IN HERE TO SAY YOU MUST TRY WHEN
[1:53:44] YOU'RE BUILDING YOUR TOWNHOME, BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT IT'S
[1:53:47] DESIGNED FOR, YOU MUST TRY TO PLAN YOUR TOWNHOME AROUND A
[1:53:50] GRAND TREE. IF IT'S NOT POSSIBLE, THEN YOU
[1:53:53] MUST SHOW US THAT SOMEHOW AND THEN YOU WILL BE ALLOWED FOR AN
[1:53:58] UNDERSTORY TREE. THAT'S NOT MAKING ANY SENSE.
[1:54:01] >>Kyle Battie: THAT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT THEY ARE SAYING, IT HAS TO
[1:54:03] BE DEMONSTRATED, THAT GRAND TREE IS NOT FEASIBLE, WOULDN'T FIT,
[1:54:13] WHATEVER THE SITUATION IS AND YOU CAN GO TO AN UNDERSTORY
[1:54:16] TREE. WHEN I SPOKE TO YOU ALL, YOU
[1:54:19] SAID THAT A LOT OF IT WOULD HAVE TO COME DOWN TO BASICALLY IF
[1:54:25] THIS IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE TREE ITSELF IN TERMS OF ITS
[1:54:30] ROOTS, THE LIFE OF THE TREE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
[1:54:33] SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF FACTORS THAT WOULD APPLY TO THE VERY
[1:54:41] LOGIC WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING TO DEMONSTRATE THAT A
[1:54:44] GRAND TREE IS NOT FEASIBLE OR IS NOT APPLICABLE TO THAT SIZE OR
[1:54:49] WHAT HAVE YOU. AM I CORRECT?
[1:54:55] MY APOLOGIES. >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: I SOLICITED
[1:54:59] SOME INPUT ON THIS. BECAUSE I COULD BE READING THIS
[1:55:03] WRONG. MAYBE IN A 30-FOOT LOT, WHEN
[1:55:06] WE'RE THINKING ABOUT TOWNHOMES, GRAND TREES SHOULD NEVER BE
[1:55:09] CONSIDERED. MAYBE WE SHOULD SAY THEY ARE
[1:55:11] NEVER ALLOWED BECAUSE THERE'S NEVER GOING TO BE ENOUGH SPACE.
[1:55:14] IF THAT'S THE CASE, MAYBE THAT IS THE DISCUSSION WE SHOULD BE
[1:55:18] HAVING. IF WE WANT TOWNHOMES WITH GRAND
[1:55:20] TREES, IF THAT IS ACTUALLY A REALITY THAT CAN HAPPEN, AND YOU
[1:55:25] HAVE A BLANK SLATE, LIKE A LOT THAT'S COMPLETELY EMPTY AND YOU
[1:55:30] SAY I WANT TO BUILD A TOWNHOME, WELL, THE TREE WILL TAKE UP THIS
[1:55:34] MUCH IF IT'S GOING TO BE A GRAND TREE.
[1:55:36] THIS LEAVES YOU THIS MUCH FOR A TOWNHOME.
[1:55:38] IF YOU SAY TO THEM YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A GRAND TREE.
[1:55:43] YOU COULD HAVE AN UNDERSTORY TREE INSTEAD AND UNDERSTORY TREE
[1:55:47] TAKES UP THIS MUCH, THAT MEANS YOUR TOWNHOME IS THREE TIMES THE
[1:55:50] SIZE, WELL, WHO WOULDN'T CHOOSE THAT?
[1:55:53] WE DON'T WANT UNHEALTHY TREES TO BE PLANTED.
[1:55:55] WE DON'T WANT THEM COMING DOWN EVERY SEVEN YEARS, WHAT WE HOPE
[1:55:59] TO BE A GRAND TREE TURNS INTO NOTHING MORE THAN AN UNDERSTORY
[1:56:02] TREE BEFORE WE HAVE TO KILL IT. I GUESS THAT'S MY CONFUSION, IF
[1:56:06] WE'RE HOPING FOR GRAND TREES AND WE WANT TO INCENTIVIZE THAT,
[1:56:11] LET'S ENCOURAGE THAT AND ENCOURAGE CREATIVE DEVELOPMENT
[1:56:15] TO ALLOW FOR A GRAND TREE TO GROW AND DEVELOP AND BECOME.
[1:56:18] AND IF THAT'S NEVER A POSSIBILITY, WHY DO WE ALLOW IT
[1:56:21] IN THE FIRST PLACE? >>Ryan Chapdelain: WHAT WENT
[1:56:24] BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD WAS JUST THAT, ALLOWING THE
[1:56:27] UNDERSTORY TREE AND NOT HAVING THE CANOPY TREE.
[1:56:29] THIS IS ESSENTIALLY A COMPROMISE APPROACH BASED ON WHAT HAPPENED
[1:56:32] AT THE PLANNING BOARD. I THINK STAFF WOULD BE FINE IF
[1:56:34] YOU WANTED TO JUST GO UNDERSTORY TREE TO PREVENT ANY OF THE
[1:56:37] CONFLICTS IN THE FUTURE ON NARROW LOTS.
[1:56:39] YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THEM. >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: MAYBE THE
[1:56:43] ARBORIST CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION.
[1:56:45] ON THESE LOTS, COULD A GRAND TREE NEVER SURVIVE?
[1:56:50] >> SO I THINK WE'RE GETTING -- THERE ARE ONLY FOUR SPECIES THAT
[1:56:54] ARE GRAND TREES. >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: FOR THE CITY
[1:56:55] OF SARASOTA, YES. >> THEY ARE PROPOSING THERE ARE
[1:56:58] SEVERAL UNDERSTORY TREES YOU CAN USE AND SEVERAL BENEFITS WITHIN
[1:57:04] A LOT THIS SMALL. I HAVE SOME WRITTEN DOWN.
[1:57:07] SMALLER ROOT SYSTEMS REDUCE IMPACT ON THE UNDERGROUND
[1:57:11] UTILITIES, FOUNDATION, SIDEWALKS AND DRIVEWAYS, ASPHALT AND
[1:57:15] CONCRETE BECAUSE IT'S LESS REPAIR WHEN YOU HAVE SHADE TREES
[1:57:18] OR UNDERSTORY AND SHADE TREES. COMMUNITY CHARACTER.
[1:57:23] IT CREATES A QUAINT, WELL-CONNECTED ATMOSPHERE.
[1:57:27] IT MAINTAINS PROPORTIONAL SCALE WITH NARROW LOTS AND MODEST
[1:57:30] HOMES. IT HELPS WITH STORMWATER
[1:57:35] RECHARGE, AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST ONES IS STORM RESILIENCE, SAFER
[1:57:40] DURING HIGH-WIND EVENTS, LESS ROOT, REDUCES RISK OF UPROOTING
[1:57:48] TREES. AND ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS
[1:57:50] OFFERS THE SAME ECOLOGICAL BENEFITS AS LARGER TREES.
[1:57:55] FOR EXAMPLE, THEY SEQUESTER CARBON, PROVIDE SHADE AND LOWERS
[1:57:58] HEAT INDEX. ALSO, THE RIGHT TREE, RIGHT
[1:58:05] PLACE SECTION, 7309 OF THE CITY OF SARASOTA ZONING CODE.
[1:58:09] WE HAVE TO HAVE RIGHT TREE, RIGHT PLACE.
[1:58:12] THAT'S THE BIGGEST ONE, I THINK. >>Mayor Alpert: YOU HAD
[1:58:16] SOMETHING THAT YOU WANTED TO ADD SO YOU COULD CLARIFY THIS
[1:58:18] BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT GRAND TREE REMOVAL HERE.
[1:58:24] >> ALISON CHRISTIE, GENERAL MANAGER, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
[1:58:26] I DID WANT TO CLARIFY SOME OF THE STATEMENTS MADE THAT, YEAH,
[1:58:29] CANOPY TREES AND GRAND TREES, TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
[1:58:32] THIS IS SPEAKING TO CANOPY TREES.
[1:58:35] AS RYAN SAID, I THINK IT IS A COMPROMISE.
[1:58:37] THE GOAL OF THE LANGUAGE WAS TO COMPROMISE.
[1:58:39] WE DO WANT TO ENCOURAGE CANOPY TREES, BUT WHERE IT'S NOT
[1:58:43] FEASIBLE THEN WE WOULD ALLOW THE UNDERSTORY.
[1:58:45] THE LANGUAGE IS NOT THE SAME AS WHAT YOU'RE REFERENCING IN THE
[1:58:48] GRAND TREE REMOVAL SECTION, BUT IT GETS TO THE SAME POINT.
[1:58:51] THE 25% FOR GRAND TREE REMOVAL, THEY DON'T HAVE TO GIVE US THE
[1:58:56] ALTERNATIVE DESIGNS. THEY JUST HAVE TO GIVE US THE
[1:58:58] SQUARE FOOTAGE AND DEMONSTRATE THE 25% OF THE BUILDABLE AREA OR
[1:59:02] PARKING AREA IS RENDERED UNUSABLE BY THE TREE.
[1:59:05] SO THERE IS A MONETARY -- NOT A MONETARY BUT NUMERICAL VALUE
[1:59:10] THERE THAT WE DON'T HAVE IN THIS LANGUAGE.
[1:59:12] BUT IT STILL HAS TO BE DEMONSTRATED TO US BY THE
[1:59:15] APPLICANT THAT IT'S NOT FEASIBLE, THAT IT WON'T WORK.
[1:59:18] >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: THAT'S MY POINT.
[1:59:19] YOU FEEL LIKE THE LANGUAGE HERE REQUIRES IT TO BE DEMONSTRATED
[1:59:23] BY THE APPLICANT IF THEY CANNOT PUT IN A GRAND TREE.
[1:59:26] FOR CLARITY, I'M NOT CONFUSING GRAND TREES AND CANOPY TREES.
[1:59:30] I WANT TO SAY THE LANGUAGE EXISTS IN THE CODE TO HOLD THE
[1:59:34] APPLICANT ACCOUNTABLE TO PROVE IN THAT KIND OF SITUATION.
[1:59:39] I WAS NOT MIXING THE TWO. I WAS SAYING WE HAVE LANGUAGE
[1:59:41] THAT HOLDS APPLICANTS ACCOUNTABLE.
[1:59:45] COULD WE HAVE LANGUAGE IN HERE ALSO TO HOLD APPLICANTS
[1:59:49] ACCOUNTABLE BECAUSE ARE WE ENCOURAGING GRAND TREES?
[1:59:53] IF WE ARE, WE SHOULD HAVE THAT KIND OF LANGUAGE.
[1:59:56] IF NOT, MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T. >>Mayor Alpert: THAT'S YOUR
[2:00:00] TIME. COMMISSIONER BATTIE, YOU'RE NOT
[2:00:02] SIGNED UP. >>Kyle Battie: NO.
[2:00:03] THANK YOU, MAYOR. >>Mayor Alpert: I HAVEN'T
[2:00:06] WEIGHED IN YET, SO I'LL TALK ABOUT NUMBER 8, THE TREE ISSUE.
[2:00:14] I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS TO BE CONSIDERED AND KEPT IN
[2:00:21] MIND IS THAT THERE ARE SETBACK STANDARDS.
[2:00:28] YOU CAN'T REQUIRE THEM NOT TO USE THE SETBACK STANDARDS, IF
[2:00:33] THE SETBACK IS NARROW, AND THEY ARE ALLOWED TO BUILD UP TO A
[2:00:38] CERTAIN POINT, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN THEN SAY, WELL, WE'RE NOT
[2:00:42] GOING TO LET YOU USE THAT SETBACK THAT YOU'VE GOT TO SET
[2:00:49] BACK FURTHER BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A CANOPY TREE PLANTED FOR A
[2:00:51] TREE THAT HAS NOT BEEN PLANTED YET.
[2:00:56] BY CHANGING THAT BY SAYING YOU CAN DO A DIFFERENT KIND OF TREE,
[2:01:01] BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE TO BE ALLOWED TO BUILD IN THE
[2:01:05] BUILDABLE AREA THAT THEY ARE ALLOWED TO BUILD ACCORDING TO
[2:01:09] OUR ZONING CODE. FOR ME, I THINK NUMBER 8 COVERS
[2:01:17] THAT SITUATION WHICH THEN SAYS IF YOU CAN'T DO IT, THEN WE PUT
[2:01:22] IN ANOTHER TREE THAT IS ALSO VALUABLE FOR THE ENVIRONMENT AND
[2:01:31] FOR GREEN IN OUR CITY. THEN I WANT TO GO TO ITEM 15
[2:01:39] THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED AS WELL. I GET THE VICE MAYOR'S POINT
[2:01:48] ABOUT LEGISLATING FROM HERE WHEN WE AREN'T EXPERTS.
[2:01:51] I THINK THE FACT THAT WE PICKED 200 FEET OUT OF THE AIR, WE
[2:01:58] AREN'T ARCHITECTS. WE DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THESE
[2:02:02] THINGS. I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE SERIOUSLY
[2:02:05] PEOPLE WHO DO UNDERSTAND DESIGN AND DO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S NEEDED.
[2:02:10] I THINK IT WOULD BE LUDICROUS TO MAKE TWO BUILDINGS AND CREATE A
[2:02:15] TEN-FOOT ALLEY BETWEEN TWO BUILDINGS WHICH IS CERTAINLY NOT
[2:02:21] ATTRACTIVE. SO ONE BUILDING WITH A SETBACK,
[2:02:26] MAYBE 300 IS THE RIGHT NUMBER. I DON'T KNOW.
[2:02:29] BUT ALL OF THE BUILDINGS THAT MR. GALLAGHER TALKED ABOUT ARE
[2:02:34] ALL REALLY ATTRACTIVE BUILDINGS AND DON'T TAKE AWAY FROM THE
[2:02:40] WALKABILITY OF THE CITY. I THINK A 200 LIMIT IS WAY TOO
[2:02:45] SHORT. I'M FOR MOVING IT UP OR NOT EVEN
[2:02:49] HAVING A LIMIT. ALL RIGHT.
[2:02:52] WE'LL GO TO VICE MAYOR TRICE. >>Vice-Mayor Trice: SINCE YOU
[2:02:59] JUST MENTIONED THE LONG BUILDINGS, AS SOMEONE WHO LIVES
[2:03:03] IN ONE OF THOSE LONG BUILDINGS AND HAS TO WALK THAT LONG, LONG,
[2:03:11] UNBROKEN UP BLOCK REGULARLY, I THINK THEY ARE TOO LONG.
[2:03:17] AND MY OTHER CONCERN WOULD BE IF WE INCREASE THE BY RIGHT LENGTH,
[2:03:25] OKAY, SO WE PUT ONE BUILDING IS PUT HERE.
[2:03:29] AT SOME POINT, SOMEBODY ELSE IS GOING TO COME ALONG AND PUT
[2:03:33] ANOTHER ONE RIGHT NEXT TO IT BY RIGHT.
[2:03:36] SO WE WILL END UP WITH THOSE CORRIDORS LOOKING LIKE MIDNIGHT
[2:03:44] PASS ROAD WITH WALLS, THE LENGTH OF THE ROAD.
[2:03:49] SO I THINK HAVING ADJUSTMENTS WILL BE A BETTER APPROACH AND
[2:03:54] I'M HOPING THAT YOU GUYS CAN WORK WITH MR. GALLAGHER AND
[2:03:58] OTHERS TO COME UP WITH WHAT MIGHT BE BETTER.
[2:04:02] MR. GALLAGHER, I ALSO LIVE IN A SINGLE BUILDING WHICH
[2:04:07] FORTUNATELY HAS TWO ELEVATORS, ONE ON EACH END.
[2:04:11] I WOULD HATE HAVING ONE ELEVATOR AND I HAVE TO WALK A BLOCK TO
[2:04:15] GET IT EVERY TIME I WANT TO USE THE ELEVATOR.
[2:04:19] I WANT TO GET TO 8 AND QUESTIONS FOR OUR ARBORIST ON THE TREES.
[2:04:27] I'M IMAGINING WITH TOWN HOUSE DEVELOPMENTS, THERE WILL BE,
[2:04:33] SAY, I'M GOING TO USE THE NUMBER 6, 30-FOOT WIDE HOUSES BECAUSE
[2:04:41] THAT'S UNDER 200 FEET. SUPPOSE WE HAD A TOWN HOUSE
[2:04:44] DEVELOPMENT THAT APPLIED AND IT WAS 6 30-FOOT WIDE HOMES OR
[2:04:54] PLOTS. WOULD WE UNDER NORMAL
[2:04:56] CIRCUMSTANCE HAVE THE DEVELOPER SAYING, WELL, EACH HOUSE IS
[2:04:58] GOING TO HAVE THE SAME KIND OF TREE.
[2:05:05] IF THAT'S THE CASE, 30 FEET APART CANOPY TREES, MIGHT YOU
[2:05:12] SUGGEST THAT'S TOO CLOSE TOGETHER AND MIGHT YOU THEN EVEN
[2:05:17] BE RECOMMENDING THAT UNDERSTORY TREES WOULD BE A BETTER THING.
[2:05:23] >> CANOPY TREES ARE NORMALLY 30 FEET ON CENTER.
[2:05:25] >>Vice-Mayor Trice: OKAY. IF IT WAS 30 FEET, BUT IF -- CAN
[2:05:30] THEY DO LESS THAN 30 FEET FOR TOWN HOUSE WIDTH?
[2:05:34] >> THEY CAN REDUCE I THINK TO 20 FEET.
[2:05:37] >>Vice-Mayor Trice: IF IT WAS 20 FEET, THEN YOU WOULD RECOMMEND
[2:05:40] AGAINST THE CANOPY TREE. >> DEFINITELY.
[2:05:44] I WOULD RECOMMEND AGAINST THE 30 FEET, TOO.
[2:05:47] >>Vice-Mayor Trice: SO OUR ARBORIST WOULD BE RECOMMENDING
[2:05:53] AGAINST WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE ZONING.
[2:05:57] THAT LEADS ME TO THINK THAT GOING FOR THE CHANGE FOR
[2:06:06] UNDERSTORY TREES IS MORE -- IT'S BENEFICIAL.
[2:06:08] >>Vice-Mayor Trice: THANK YOU. NEEDED CLARIFICATION.
[2:06:12] THANK YOU. >>Mayor Alpert: ALL RIGHT.
[2:06:14] COMMISSIONER BATTIE. >>Kyle Battie: THANK YOU, MAYOR.
[2:06:18] JUST SITTING HERE LISTENING OR WHAT HAVE YOU, I THINK ONE OF
[2:06:24] THE MORE IMPORTANT STATEMENTS THAT WAS MADE WAS THAT WE ARE
[2:06:30] NOT EXPERTS. WE'RE NOT.
[2:06:36] PART OF ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT I'VE SEEN WITH THIS CITY FROM
[2:06:45] JUMP STREET IS THERE WAS NO REAL URBAN PLANNING.
[2:06:48] A LOT OF THE STUFF THAT WAS BUILT IN PRIOR COMMISSIONS,
[2:06:53] BUILT BY THE COMMISSIONS, NOT BY WHATEVER PROJECTIONS, WHAT THE
[2:07:00] CITY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SO ON AND SO FORTH, BUT TO THE VICE
[2:07:03] MAYOR'S POINT AND TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, TO TRY AND NEGOTIATE LIKE
[2:07:09] BUILDING LENGTH RIGHT HERE AT THE DAIS OR WHAT HAVE YOU
[2:07:15] WITHOUT ANY REAL COMPREHENSIVE AND IN-DEPTH STUDY, BECAUSE THAT
[2:07:19] SPEAKS TO WHAT THE CITY IS SUPPOSED TO BE, PARTICULARLY
[2:07:23] TALKING ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN AND ALL OF THESE
[2:07:27] DIFFERENT THINGS OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
[2:07:30] THAT'S MORE OR LESS A STATEMENT THAN ASKING QUESTIONS OR
[2:07:37] ANYTHING BECAUSE I JUST THINK WE NEED TO BE A BIT MORE MINDFUL OF
[2:07:42] WHEN WE ARE THINKING ABOUT THESE THINGS.
[2:07:44] I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS BEING REMOVED OR WHAT HAVE YOU
[2:07:48] AND BEING LOOKED INTO A BIT MORE WITH A MICROPHONE, IF YOU WILL,
[2:07:56] SPEAKING TO ARCHITECTS AND DEVELOPERS AND CITY PLANNERS TO
[2:08:00] TRY AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT IS APPLICABLE TO WHERE WE
[2:08:03] ARE TODAY AND WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE TOMORROW.
[2:08:06] THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR.
[2:08:07] >>Mayor Alpert: THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER OHLRICH.
[2:08:15] >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: IT TOOK ME A LONG TIME TO GET BACK HERE,
[2:08:20] RIGHT? I JUST WANTED CLARITY, AND I
[2:08:22] THINK I HAVE IT, THAT ALL CANOPY TREES ARE NOT GRAND TREES.
[2:08:27] >> THIS IS CORRECT. >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: OKAY.
[2:08:29] THANK YOU. THAT'S IT.
[2:08:30] >>Mayor Alpert: COMMISSIONER AHEARN-KOCH.
[2:08:34] >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: IN THIS TOWNHOME WITH THE 30-FOOT LOTS,
[2:08:37] COULD TWO LOTS COMBINE AND THEN PUT A TREE IN THE MIDDLE, FOR
[2:08:41] EXAMPLE? >>Ryan Chapdelain: GENERALLY
[2:08:43] NOT. THESE ARE GOING TO BE FEE SIMPLE
[2:08:45] LOTS. THEY CAN BE LESS THAN 30 FEET.
[2:08:47] IT IS A STANDARD WE PUT IN THERE.
[2:08:50] BUT CAN BE 20, 25 FEET IN WIDTH. GENERALLY THEY ARE INDIVIDUALLY
[2:08:53] OWNED LOTS. >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: WOULD THAT BE
[2:08:55] A POSSIBILITY, LET'S SAY TWO PEOPLE BOUGHT THEM AND SAID
[2:08:58] WE'RE BEST FRIENDS AND WE WOULD LIKE ONE GINORMOUS CANOPY TREE
[2:09:02] AND WE'LL PUT IT MOSTLY ON THIS PERSON'S, ON RYAN'S LOT.
[2:09:08] THE TREE WILL GROW AND BE A BEAUTIFUL GRAND TREE OR CANOPY
[2:09:12] TREE OVER BOTH OUR LOTS, WHAT WOULD THAT DO TO THE RATIO OF
[2:09:17] CANOPY TREE, UNDERSTORY TREE? WOULD THAT WORK TOGETHER?
[2:09:20] IS THAT SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE?
[2:09:23] >>Ryan Chapdelain: I THINK GENERALLY WOULD BE ON THE
[2:09:25] INDIVIDUAL'S LOT. A LOT OF THIS IS DESIGNED PRIOR
[2:09:30] TO THESE UNITS EVER SELLING. NOT SURE WHO THE END USER IS BY
[2:09:34] THE TIME GOING THROUGH THE DRC PROCESS.
[2:09:37] >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: THAT WOULD BE A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE A
[2:09:39] CANOPY TREE AND AN UNDERSTORY TREE AND THEY COULD LIVE
[2:09:44] TOGETHER AND MAKE LOTS OF SHADE. ARE YOU HAPPY WITH THE LANGUAGE
[2:09:48] THAT IS DRAFTED AS IT IS RIGHT NOW FOR THIS ITEM?
[2:09:55] >>Ryan Chapdelain: BASED ON WHAT WE HEARD AT THE PLANNING BOARD
[2:09:58] AND TODAY, WE THINK IT IS A FAIR COMPROMISE.
[2:10:03] >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO KNOW
[2:10:04] ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU.
[2:10:08] >>Mayor Alpert: OKAY. WHAT WOULD YOU THINK ABOUT
[2:10:11] REMOVING ITEM 15 FOR TODAY SINCE, AGAIN, WE AREN'T EXPERTS
[2:10:18] AND GIVE THIS A LITTLE MORE CONSIDERATION?
[2:10:23] >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: WOULD WE NEED CONSENSUS OR A VOTE ON
[2:10:27] REMOVING ITEM 15? >>Mayor Alpert: PROBABLY NEED A
[2:10:29] MOTION. >>Vice-Mayor Trice: I MOVE THAT
[2:10:32] WE APPROVE THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT BATCH MINUS NUMBER 15
[2:10:37] DEALING WITH THE LENGTH OF THE BUILDING.
[2:10:41] >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: I'LL SECOND THAT.
[2:10:42] >>Mayor Alpert: MAKER OF THE MOTION, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO
[2:10:48] THAT? >>Vice-Mayor Trice: I THINK
[2:10:51] EVERYTHING LOOKS GOOD EXCEPT, AND I APPRECIATE THE ARCHITECT'S
[2:10:57] SUGGESTION THAT THEY WOULD HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY WITH A LONGER
[2:11:02] BUILDING, YET I WOULD HATE TO ENABLE THAT BY RIGHT AND THEN AS
[2:11:09] WE DISCOVERED DURING INFILL, IF WE RUN INTO PROBLEMS, THE
[2:11:15] LEGISLATURE REALLY WOULD MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO CLAW BACK
[2:11:22] THOSE CHANGES. BECAUSE WITH THE 25% ADJUSTMENT
[2:11:30] ADMINISTRATIVELY, THAT WOULD ENABLE 250 FEET ON OUR CURRENT
[2:11:36] ZONING LAW OF 200, I THINK AT LEAST FOR THE TIME BEING, WE'RE
[2:11:40] IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE DISCUSSION.
[2:11:45] >>Shayla Griggs: MAYOR, CAN YOU STATE THE CLOSE OF THE PUBLIC
[2:11:48] HEARING BEFORE WE GO DOWN THAT. >>Mayor Alpert: ALL RIGHT.
[2:11:52] CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU.
[2:11:58] COMMISSIONER AHEARN-KOCH. >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: COULD YOU
[2:12:00] REPEAT THE MOTION? I'M SORRY.
[2:12:04] >>Vice-Mayor Trice: I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE ORDINANCE 25-5583
[2:12:14] AND PETITION 25-ZTA-01 WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM NUMBER 15.
[2:12:23] >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: AND ARE WE GOING TO DISCUSS ITEM NUMBER 15
[2:12:26] IN A SEPARATE MOTION? >>Vice-Mayor Trice: NO.
[2:12:28] >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: IT JUST GETS REMOVED COMPLETELY.
[2:12:33] ALL RIGHT. I'LL SPEAK TO THE MOTION.
[2:12:35] I THINK STAFF DID A GREAT JOB ON ALL OF THESE AND PROVIDING US
[2:12:40] WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEEDED AND EXPLAINING THE
[2:12:45] RATIONALE, CROSSED ALL THEIR Ts AND DOTTED ALL THEIR Is.
[2:12:49] FOR ITEM NUMBER 15, I UNDERSTAND WE ARE NOT EXPERTS.
[2:12:54] WE ARE NOT THE EXPERT AND THERE ARE EXPERTS, AND THEY ARE ALSO
[2:12:57] NOT THE EXPERT ON EVERYTHING CITY, BUT WE ARE INFORMED AND WE
[2:13:03] DO HAVE INFORMATION AND A LOT OF US HAVE BEEN DOING THIS A VERY,
[2:13:06] VERY LONG TIME. WE ARE NOT INCAPABLE OF MAKING
[2:13:11] DECISIONS THAT GOVERN HOW OUR CITY MOVES AND GROWS AND MOVES
[2:13:15] FORWARD. WE'RE ABLE TO READ E-MAILS AND
[2:13:18] BOOKS. AND I WOULD HAVE QUOTED MY JEFF
[2:13:23] SPECK BOOK BUT I LENT IT TO THAXTON IN THE AUDIENCE -- LET
[2:13:29] ME KNOW FOR THE RECORD HE SAID IT'S IN THE CAR.
[2:13:32] >>Joseph Polzak: SPD IS HERE. >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: I JUST MAY.
[2:13:41] THAT ONE ITEM I AGREE THAT ONE NEEDS TO BE REMOVED.
[2:13:45] I SUPPORT THAT. THANK YOU.
[2:13:48] >>Mayor Alpert: ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE?
[2:13:51] IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT. COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU WOULD
[2:13:54] VOTE, PLEASE. >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: YES.
[2:14:00] >>Mayor Alpert: YES. >>Kyle Battie: YES.
[2:14:01] >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: YES. >>Vice-Mayor Trice: YES.
[2:14:08] >>Mayor Alpert: IS THAT YOUR VOTE, COMMISSIONERS?
[2:14:10] THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. TO BRING BACK ITEM NUMBER 15 OR
[2:14:17] TO SEND IT TO STAFF TO REVIEW FURTHER FOR MAYBE THINGS LIKE
[2:14:25] REQUIRING AFTER A CERTAIN NUMBER OF FEET THAT THERE BE SOME KIND
[2:14:29] OF A SETBACK OR SOMETHING TO THEN BREAK UP -- DO WE NEED A
[2:14:35] MOTION -- >>Shayla Griggs: YOU CAN DISCUSS
[2:14:38] IT. >>Mayor Alpert: LET STAFF WORK
[2:14:39] ON IT. >>Vice-Mayor Trice: BRING IT
[2:14:42] BACK IN THE NEXT SET OF BATCH OF ZTAs.
[2:14:47] >>Mayor Alpert: OR IF THEY GET DONE SOONER THEY CAN BRING IT
[2:14:50] BACK. >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: I DON'T WANT
[2:14:51] TO SEE IT COME BACK. LET'S BE CAREFUL WHAT WE DO
[2:14:54] HERE. >>Vice-Mayor Trice: I'M
[2:14:55] COMFORTABLE WITH STAFF HAS HEARD OUR CONCERNS.
[2:15:01] MR. GALLAGHER IS VOCAL SO LET THEM WORK IT OUT.
[2:15:03] >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: I AGREE WITH THAT.
[2:15:08] >>Shayla Griggs: ARE WE GOOD WITH THAT?
[2:15:11] INTERIM CITY MANAGER, DO YOU NEED ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT?
[2:15:14] >>Dave Bullock: NO, MA'AM. WE'LL BRING IT BACK.
[2:15:15] >>Mayor Alpert: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[2:15:22] >>Kyle Battie: IT'S JUST CONSENSUS.
[2:15:26] >>Shayla Griggs: IF SHE'S NOT AGREEING, WE NEED A MOTION.
[2:15:31] >>Mayor Alpert: PASS THE GAVEL. I'M GOING TO MOVE THAT ITEM 15,
[2:15:39] THAT STAFF TAKE A LOOK AT IT AGAIN AND WORK ON IT WITH THE
[2:15:49] RELEVANT PARTIES IN THIS CASE AND BRING IT BACK TO US, EITHER
[2:15:54] THEY CAN BRING IT BACK AND SAY WE'LL KEEP IT 200 FEET OR ADD TO
[2:16:00] IT OR ADD SETBACKS, WHATEVER IT IS.
[2:16:03] MY MOTION IS THAT WE SEND IT BACK TO STAFF TO BRING IT BACK
[2:16:08] TO US FOR FURTHER REVIEW AND DISCUSSION.
[2:16:10] >>Kyle Battie: I SECOND. >>Vice-Mayor Trice: MOTION BY
[2:16:15] MAYOR ALPERT AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BATTIE TO ASK STAFF
[2:16:21] TO LOOK AT NUMBER 15 AND BRING BACK THEIR RECOMMENDATION.
[2:16:34] >>Mayor Alpert: I THINK I SPOKE TO IT ALREADY.
[2:16:36] >>Kyle Battie: I'LL SPEAK TO IT. THE MERE FACT THAT TALKING ABOUT
[2:16:41] US BEING EXPERTS OR NOT BEING EXPERTS AND THEM BEING EXPERTS
[2:16:45] AND NOT BEING EXPERTS, THEY ARE HIRED BECAUSE OF THEIR
[2:16:48] EXPERTISE. THAT'S WHY THEY WORK FOR THE
[2:16:53] CITY IN THIS RESPECTIVE DEPARTMENT.
[2:16:55] WHEN WE SAY THE COMMISSION IS NOT EXPERTS OR WHATEVER, OR ARE
[2:17:01] EXPERTS, JUST AS A CITIZEN, A RESIDENT OF THE CITY, GREW UP IN
[2:17:05] THE CITY, THERE ARE PROBLEMS IN THIS BECAUSE WE ARE NOT EXPERTS.
[2:17:09] YOU HAVE ALL THE HEIGHT ON THE WATER AND NOT IN THE CORE OF THE
[2:17:14] CITY BECAUSE KNOW WHAT, WE'RE NOT EXPERTS.
[2:17:20] I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT I RELY ON OUR STAFF AND THOSE THAT ARE
[2:17:26] EXPERTS IN THEIR RESPECTIVE FIELDS REGARDING THIS MATTER.
[2:17:30] THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. >>Vice-Mayor Trice: ANYBODY ELSE
[2:17:34] BEFORE WE VOTE? OKAY.
[2:17:35] SO WE'RE VOTING. >>Shayla Griggs: OKAY.
[2:17:41] ALL RIGHT. >>Vice-Mayor Trice: MOTION
[2:17:45] PASSES 3-2. IS THAT YOUR VOTE, EVERYONE?
[2:17:47] >>Mayor Alpert: YES. >>Kyle Battie: CAN WE TAKE A
[2:17:51] BREAK? >>Mayor Alpert: THANK YOU ALL.
[2:17:55] WE ARE AT NEW BUSINESS. DOES ANYONE NEED A BREAK?
[2:18:03] IT'S 2:51. THAT CLOCK IS WRONG.
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[2:28:02] [ SOUNDING GAVEL ] >>Mayor Alpert: OKAY, EVERYBODY.
[2:28:06] I KNOW EVERYONE IS HAVING A REALLY GOOD TIME OUT THERE.
[2:28:09] IT'S 3:00, AND WE WANT TO GET STARTED AGAIN HERE.
[2:28:17] WHEN WE WENT ON RECESS, WE WERE GETTING READY TO START OUR ITEM
[2:28:24] 12.1, NEW BUSINESS. AND THAT'S A DISCUSSION
[2:28:29] REGARDING THE ESTABLISHMENT OF SPECIAL DISTRICTS FOR LIGHTING
[2:28:31] AND UNDERGROUNDING. I AM GOING TO CALL ON -- IS SHE
[2:28:36] HERE? WE WILL CALL ON OUR DIRECTOR OF
[2:28:45] PUBLIC WORKS, NIK PATEL TO MAKE A PRESENTATION.
[2:28:54] HE WENT INTO A WHOLE EXPLANATION AT LIDO KEY RESIDENTS
[2:29:00] ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS A WONDERFUL WAY FOR EVERYBODY TO
[2:29:04] REMEMBER YOUR NAME. WE'LL LET YOU -- I THINK YOU
[2:29:06] SHOULD DO THAT AGAIN. >>Nik Patel: GOOD AFTERNOON
[2:29:10] MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, CITY COMMISSIONERS.
[2:29:12] I'M NIK PATEL, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR E FOR THE RECORD.
[2:29:14] HERE WITH ME TODAY IS. >> SAGI.
[2:29:20] I BEG THE INDULGENCE, I'LL TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT OF THE HISTORY
[2:29:24] OF THE NAME. SPELL IT LIKE SAGE.
[2:29:26] I THINK MY PARENTS MUST HAVE BEEN HIPPIES AND THEY DECIDED
[2:29:29] THAT WAS FUN. I GET TO SPEND MY ENTIRE LIFE
[2:29:34] TELLING PEOPLE YOU DON'T PRONOUNCE IT LIKE IT IS SPELLED.
[2:29:37] I PRONOUNCE IS SAGE. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
[2:29:40] WITH THAT, WE'LL JUMP INTO THE PRESENTATION.
[2:29:43] I WILL APOLOGIZE ON BEHALF OF ALVI, SHE REALLY WANTED TO BE
[2:29:49] HERE BUT FEELING UNDER THE WEATHER.
[2:29:51] UNFORTUNATELY, YOU GET THE PINCH-HITTING THIS MORNING
[2:29:54] INSTEAD OF ALVI THIS AFTERNOON. YES, THIS ITEM IS ABOUT
[2:29:57] ESTABLISHING A COUPLE OF DISTRICTS.
[2:30:02] REAL QUICKLY, THE AGENDA INCLUDES BACKGROUND COMMUNITY
[2:30:07] INTEREST, AREAS OF INTEREST, SPECIFICALLY A COUPLE OF MAPS,
[2:30:10] CITY CODE AND STATE STATUTE FRAMEWORK, A SCOPE FOR THE REST
[2:30:15] OF TODAY, AND THEN NEXT STEPS AND A RECOMMENDED MOTION.
[2:30:21] BACKGROUND AND COMMUNITY INTEREST, FIVE ASSOCIATIONS HAVE
[2:30:24] FORMALLY ASKED THE CITY TO EXPLORE SPECIAL DISTRICTS FOR
[2:30:29] UNDERGROUNDING OF POWER FOR THE UTILITY POWER.
[2:30:32] AND THAT INCLUDES ST. ARMANDS RESIDENTS, LIDO SHORE PROPERTY
[2:30:36] OWNER ASSOCIATION, LIDO KEY RESIDENTS, AND ST. ARMANDS
[2:30:40] CIRCLE MERCHANTS. THE SECOND SOMEONE LIGHTING,
[2:30:43] SOUTH POINSETTIA PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HAS
[2:30:45] REQUESTED THAT. EACH GROUP POLLED ITS MEMBERS
[2:30:48] AND SUPPORT RANGES ANYWHERE FROM 85% TO 98% DEMONSTRATING CLEAR
[2:30:55] GRASSROOTS MINIMUM TO ASK FOR THESE.
[2:30:58] THE AREAS OF INTEREST FOR SPECIFICALLY UNDERGROUNDING, YOU
[2:31:02] CAN SEE ON THE EXHIBIT A, WHICH IS ON YOUR SCREEN AND SHOULD BE
[2:31:05] IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL, PURPLE IS THE ST. ARMANDS RESIDENTIAL
[2:31:09] CORE. THE ORANGE IS LIDO SHORES.
[2:31:11] YELLOW IS LIDO KEY. AND THE TEAL IS THE ST. ARMANDS
[2:31:14] BUSINESS CORE. THESE OUTLINES ARE PRELIMINARY,
[2:31:18] OF COURSE, AT THIS POINT. REFINE PARCEL LINES DURING
[2:31:22] FEASIBILITY AND LEGAL REVIEW. EVERY PARCEL INSIDE HAS
[2:31:27] EXPRESSED STRONG INTEREST FOR BURYING UTILITIES FOR
[2:31:30] RELIABILITY AND AESTHETICS AS WELL.
[2:31:33] AREA INTEREST FOR LIGHTING, EXHIBIT B DISPLAYS PROPOSED
[2:31:36] LIGHTING DISTRICTS. SOUTH POINSETTIA PARK AREA,
[2:31:39] RESIDENTS SEEK FULL REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING FIXTURES WITH
[2:31:42] UNIFORM LED LIGHTING TO IMPROVE SAFETY AND NEIGHBORHOOD
[2:31:46] CHARACTER, BOUNDARIES MAY SHIFT SLIGHTLY AFTER THE PHOTOMETRIC
[2:31:50] DESIGN AND COST ANALYSIS BUT THE PARCEL IN BLUE IS OUTLINED THAT
[2:31:55] THEY HAVE SUBSTANTIAL SUPPORT FOR THIS PROJECT.
[2:31:57] WITH THAT I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO NIK.
[2:32:00] >>Nik Patel: SO THE PROCESS IS GOVERNED BY THE CITY CODE
[2:32:05] CHAPTER 2, ARTICLE 9. SPECIAL ASSESSMENT AREA.
[2:32:09] PART OF THE CITY CODE. IT'S ALSO -- THE PROCESS IS ALSO
[2:32:14] DICTATED BY THE FLORIDA STATUTES 163.506, WHICH IS NEIGHBORHOOD
[2:32:20] IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, AS WELL AS THE FLORIDA STATUTES 170 WHICH
[2:32:23] IS THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENT AND FLORIDA STATUTE 197.3632 WHICH
[2:32:30] IS THE UNIFORM ASSESSMENT COLLECTION.
[2:32:33] THESE ALLOW THE CITY TO LEVY NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENTS,
[2:32:38] WHICH MEANS NO MILLAGE FOR THE CITY AND COLLECT THEM ON THE TAX
[2:32:43] BILL. THE COMMISSION SITS AS THE
[2:32:45] GOVERNING BOARD FOR EACH DISTRICT.
[2:32:51] SO TODAY WE'RE NOT CREATING A DISTRICT OR LEVYING ANY
[2:32:56] ASSESSMENTS. WE'RE ASKING CITY COMMISSION TO
[2:32:59] ACKNOWLEDGE THE LETTERS, SURVEY, AND PETITION RECEIVED, AUTHORIZE
[2:33:04] STAFF TO BEGIN FEASIBILITY AND LEGAL FRAMEWORK UNDER THE CITY
[2:33:09] CODE AND THE STATE STATUTES AND COORDINATE WITH THE CITY
[2:33:14] ATTORNEY AND FINANCE DEPARTMENT, ENGAGE A CONSULTANT FOR
[2:33:18] PRELIMINARY COST ESTIMATE FUNDING OPTIONS AND BENEFIT
[2:33:23] APPORTIONMENT ANALYSIS, AND DIRECT STAFF TO RETURN WITH THE
[2:33:27] DRAFT INITIAL ASSESSMENT AND REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION BEFORE
[2:33:30] ANY COSTS ARE ADOPTED. IF AUTHORIZED, STAFF WILL DRAFT
[2:33:44] BOTH RESOLUTIONS, REFINE BOUNDARIES AND PRELIMINARY
[2:33:48] COSTS, PUBLISH STATUTORY NOTICE AND SCHEDULE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND
[2:33:52] PREPARE A FULL ASSESSMENT ROLL AND FUNDING RECOMMENDATION.
[2:33:58] THE FUTURE HEARING, THE COMMISSION CAN DECIDE WHETHER TO
[2:34:00] ADVANCE TO DESIGN BONDING OR CONSTRUCTION.
[2:34:06] SO RECOMMENDED MOTION IS TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE COMMUNITY
[2:34:09] INTEREST AND AUTHORIZE CITY STAFF TO PREPARE ALL PROCEDURAL
[2:34:14] DOCUMENTS, RETAIN A CONSULTANT AND RETURN WITH INITIAL
[2:34:17] ASSESSMENT AND REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTIONS.
[2:34:20] NO ASSESSMENT OR CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT IS APPROVED TODAY.
[2:34:25] THIS SIMPLY GREEN LIGHTS THE DETAIL ANALYSIS AND MAINTAIN THE
[2:34:29] CITY'S ABILITY TO REIMBURSE EARLY COSTS ONCE DISTRICTS ARE
[2:34:34] FORMED. AND ALSO I WANT TO KIND OF
[2:34:38] MANAGE EXPECTATIONS A LITTLE BIT, SPECIFICALLY ON CREATION OF
[2:34:43] A SPECIAL DISTRICT. FOR ST. ARMANDS, THE
[2:34:45] UNDERGROUNDING AS WELL AS THE LIDO KEY, IT'S GOING TO TAKE
[2:34:51] ABOUT FOUR TO SEVEN YEARS IF THE COMMISSION DOES PROCEED IN
[2:34:56] CREATING A SPECIAL DISTRICT TO ALL THE WAY TO IMPLEMENTING THE
[2:35:01] PROJECT. FOR THE LIGHTING DISTRICT, IT
[2:35:03] CAN TAKE ALL THE WAY UP FROM THREE TO FOUR YEARS ROUGHLY TO
[2:35:09] IMPLEMENT THE PROJECT IF THE COMMISSION APPROVES MOVING
[2:35:11] FORWARD WITH THE SPECIAL DISTRICT.
[2:35:13] WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
[2:35:21] >>Mayor Alpert: WE'VE GOT SOME PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK SO
[2:35:24] WE'LL DO THAT FIRST AND THEN COME BACK TO QUESTIONS.
[2:35:28] I'M GOING TO DIVIDE THIS UP AND BRING -- AND START WITH -- ONLY
[2:35:34] FIVE PEOPLE SIGNED UP. BUT THE FIRST FOUR ARE HERE ON
[2:35:39] BEHALF OF THE SPECIAL UNDERGROUNDING, AND THEN THE
[2:35:43] SOUTH POINSETTIA ISSUE. CHRIS GO LEAH.
[2:35:49] DENNIS BENEFICIARY COULD HAVE. CARL SHOFFSTALL.
[2:35:53] BOB KELLY. ALAN PARISSER.
[2:36:03] WHEN I CALL ON YOU, STATE YOUR NAME AND WHETHER YOU ARE A CITY
[2:36:07] RESIDENT. WE'LL START WITH MR. GOGLIA.
[2:36:28] >> CHRIS GOGLIA. PRESIDENT ST. ARMANDS
[2:36:29] ASSOCIATION. YES, I AM A CITY RESIDENT.
[2:36:31] I'LL TRY TO KEEP THIS SHORT AND SWEET.
[2:36:33] A MAJORITY OF MY CAREER WAS SPENT IN WHAT'S CALLED MARKETING
[2:36:38] RESEARCH DOING SURVEYS. WE HAVE A SAYING IN MARKETING
[2:36:40] RESEARCH, THAT SAYING IS, EVERYTHING IN LIFE IS A
[2:36:42] TRADE-OFF. WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS IF YOU
[2:36:45] ASK A THOUSAND PEOPLE, WOULD YOU LIKE THE CITY TO BURY YOUR POWER
[2:36:49] LINES, A THOUSAND PEOPLE WOULD SAY, YEAH.
[2:36:50] BUT IF YOU TOLD THOSE SAME THOUSAND PEOPLE, WELL, YOU GOT
[2:36:54] TO HAVE A METAL BOX ON THE GROUND IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE
[2:36:57] AND YOU'VE GOT TO PAY FOR IT, ALL THOSE THOUSAND PEOPLE MIGHT
[2:37:02] NOT SAY YES ANYMORE. WE ASKED OUR RESIDENTS IN THIS
[2:37:05] YEAR AFTER THE TWO HURRICANES PUT US UNDERWATER, KNOWING THIS,
[2:37:09] THAT PROPERTY OWNERS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY TO HAVE THIS
[2:37:11] DONE, WOULD YOU LIKE THE CITY TO PROCEED WITH BURYING POWER
[2:37:16] LINES? WE HAD A HUGE RESPONSE RATE IN
[2:37:18] OUR ANNUAL SURVEY, 87% SAID, YES, WE WOULD LIKE THE CITY TO
[2:37:23] DO THIS. WHEN WE LOOK AT JUST THE SURVEY
[2:37:26] RESPONDENTS WHO INDICATED THAT THEY ALSO VOTE IN SARASOTA,
[2:37:30] WHICH MEANS THEIR PRIMARY RESIDENCE IS HERE IN SARASOTA,
[2:37:33] THE NUMBER INCREASES FROM 85% TO -- BASED ON THE DATA, THE
[2:37:39] ST. ARMANDS ASSOCIATION SUPPORTS THE INITIATIVE AND WE ASK YOU TO
[2:37:43] PLEASE APPROVE IT AND MOVE IT FORWARD.
[2:37:44] THANK YOU. >>Mayor Alpert: THANK YOU.
[2:37:47] DENNIS. >> MY NAME IS DENNIS BISHOFF.
[2:37:51] I AM A RESIDENT OF THE CITY. I REPRESENT HOMEOWNERS OF LIDO
[2:37:55] SHORES. I THINK THE KEYWORD HERE IS
[2:37:58] RESILIENCY. LIDO SHORES, LIDO KEY,
[2:38:03] ST. ARMANDS ARE ON A FRAGILE BARRIER ISLAND.
[2:38:06] FAR MORE SUBJECT TO MOTHER NATURE AND TO HAVE POWER LINES
[2:38:12] UNDERGROUND IS OBVIOUS AND SHOULD BE A PRIORITY FOR THE
[2:38:16] HOMEOWNERS, BUSINESSES, FOR THE CITY OF SARASOTA, AND FLORIDA
[2:38:19] POWER AND LIGHT. IN FACT, FLORIDA POWER AND LIGHT
[2:38:23] SHOULD BE THRILLED. 14 TIMES BETTER PERFORMANCE,
[2:38:28] REDUCING REPAIR TIME AND COSTS LONG TERM.
[2:38:32] LIDO SHORES PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION BOARD UNANIMOUSLY
[2:38:37] SUPPORTS AND REQUESTS THE CITY OF SARASOTA TO PROCEED WITH THIS
[2:38:41] PROJECT TO BURY THE POWER LINES AND COMMUNICATION LINES ON LIDO
[2:38:45] SHORES, ST. ARMANDS, AND LIDO KEY.
[2:38:48] WE BELIEVE THIS WILL IMPROVE SAFETY, RESILIENCY AND
[2:38:53] AESTHETICS. LIDO SHORES PROPERTY OWNERS
[2:38:56] BOARD HAS DISCUSSED AND DEBATED THE TOPIC.
[2:38:59] WE REVIEWED THE EXPERIENCES OF OTHER BARRIER ISLANDS.
[2:39:03] FLORIDA POWER AND LIGHT, AS WELL AS THE EXPERIENCES OF MANY OF
[2:39:08] OUR NEIGHBORS WHO HAD EXTENDED POWER OUTAGES IN PRIOR YEAR
[2:39:15] STORMS. I PERSONALLY LOST POWER IN EVERY
[2:39:18] STORM SINCE LIVING IN LIDO SHORES SINCE 2002.
[2:39:23] WITH FIVE DAYS LOSS OF POWER FROM IAN AND SEVEN DAYS LOSS
[2:39:29] FROM THE LAST PAST YEAR'S STORMS.
[2:39:31] IN A RECENT SURVEY, THE MAJORITY OF LIDO SHORES HOUSEHOLDS
[2:39:35] RESPONDED AND 97% RESPONDED -- RESPONDENTS VOTED, YES, THEY ARE
[2:39:39] IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT PROCEEDING.
[2:39:43] UNDERGROUNDING UTILITIES HAS ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED ON NEARBY
[2:39:46] BIRD KEY, LONGBOAT KEY, JOHN RINGLING BOULEVARD FROM THE CITY
[2:39:51] TO ST. ARMANDS CIRCLE AND SINGLE RESIDENTIAL STREET ON
[2:39:54] ST. ARMANDS KEY. OUR CONSTITUENTS HAVE INDICATED
[2:39:57] THAT THEY WOULD LIKE THE CITY TO FINISH THE JOB.
[2:40:01] AND ARE WILLING TO FUND THIS INVESTMENT THEM THIS.
[2:40:04] IN FACT, HOWARD ROOK, GOD REST HIS SOUL, WAS INVESTIGATING THIS
[2:40:11] WAY BACK, FOR LIDO SHORES WAY BACK IN 2016.
[2:40:16] AT NINE YEARS AND SEVERAL STORMS LATER, WE HOPE THE PROJECT CAN
[2:40:21] COMMENCE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THANK YOU.
[2:40:23] >>Mayor Alpert: THANK YOU. KARL.
[2:40:25] >> GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE AT THE DAIS.
[2:40:28] HAVEN'T SEEN YOU IN A LITTLE BIT.
[2:40:29] NICE. EVERYBODY IS LOOKING GOOD.
[2:40:33] I'M CARL SHOFFSTALL, 129 TYLER DRIVE, LIDO KEY.
[2:40:38] I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OUT THERE FOR 22 YEARS NOW.
[2:40:41] AND ON SATURDAY, WE HAD OUR FIRST MEETING OF THE SEASON.
[2:40:44] I WANT TO THANK THE COMMISSIONERS THAT DID COME OUT.
[2:40:48] STAFF DID A NICE PRESENTATION. THESE PEOPLE UP HERE WERE ALL
[2:40:51] HERE, AND WE HAD THE MAYOR OF LONGBOAT KEY COME UP AND SPEAK
[2:40:56] ABOUT THEY HAD JUST DONE THE UNDERGROUNDING AND GAVE US SOME
[2:41:00] VERY, VERY INSIGHTFUL INFORMATION ON WHAT WENT ON.
[2:41:04] I TALKED ABOUT THIS WHEN ROBERT TAYLOR COMPLEX WAS OPENED ABOUT
[2:41:10] COMING OUT TO LIDO AND START UNDERGROUNDING UTILITIES AND THE
[2:41:15] CABLE, OVERHEAD WIRES AND STUFF. AT THE TIME I THOUGHT WELL, I
[2:41:18] DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS ALL THAT NECESSARY, BUT OVER THE YEARS IN
[2:41:23] THIS LAST STORM, WE WERE DEVASTATED.
[2:41:26] I LOST EVERYTHING OR MY WIFE AND I LOST EVERYTHING AND WE MOVED
[2:41:29] OUT FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS, GOT IT REBUILT, NO PROBLEM.
[2:41:32] WE'RE BACK. BUT IT IS NOW TIME AS ALL OF
[2:41:37] THESE GENTLEMEN UP HERE SAID, WE DID THE SURVEYS OUT AT OUR PLACE
[2:41:42] ON LIDO, AND EVERYBODY IS IN FAVOR OF DOING IT.
[2:41:46] WE'RE IN FAVOR OF PAYING FOR IT, WHICH HELPS EVERYBODY, BUT IT'S
[2:41:52] TIME TO GET IT MOVING. AGAIN, YOUR STAFF SAID ABOUT
[2:41:56] FOUR TO SEVEN YEARS. WE NEED TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN A
[2:41:59] LITTLE FASTER THAN THIS. I WOULD HOPE EVERYBODY, BECAUSE
[2:42:02] YOU'LL GET IT FROM EVERYWHERE IN THE CITY.
[2:42:04] IT'S GOING TO EVENTUALLY COME THAT IT WILL HAVE TO BE
[2:42:09] UNDERGROUNDING WITH UTILITIES. LET'S GET IT DONE, GANG.
[2:42:12] IT'S THAT SIMPLE. THANK YOU.
[2:42:15] >>Mayor Alpert: THANK YOU. BOB.
[2:42:16] >> HI, EVERYONE. I'M BOB KELLY.
[2:42:18] I LIVE ON ST. ARMANDS. KEY.
[2:42:22] I LIVED THERE FOR THREE YEARS NOW.
[2:42:26] I'M ON THE BOARD OF THE RESIDENTS ASSOCIATION OF
[2:42:30] ST. ARMANDS. I AM A FORMER BOARD MEMBER OF
[2:42:32] THE MERCHANTS BOARD AS WELL. I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT BOTH
[2:42:34] AREAS. I'M SURE YOU HAVE SEEN THE
[2:42:39] NUMBERS AND YOU'RE AWARE OF WHAT'S HAPPENED TO US,
[2:42:41] ST. ARMANDS ALONE, WE HAD 200 HOMES AND PROBABLY AFTER THE
[2:42:47] STORMS, HALF OF THEM OR MORE WERE UNINHABITABLE.
[2:42:51] WE HAVE 150 BUSINESSES. A LOT OF THEM HAVE COME BACK.
[2:42:54] A LOT OF THEM ARE GONE, AND THERE ARE A LOT OF EMPTY
[2:42:59] STOREFRONTS, STILL. SO WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO.
[2:43:01] THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES, BUT POWER IS DEFINITELY A BIG PART
[2:43:07] OF IT. THE REALITY IS YOU CAN'T LIVE,
[2:43:10] WORK, OR REPAIR ANYTHING WITHOUT POWER.
[2:43:13] THE THING THAT WE REALLY LEARNED SUBSEQUENT TO THE STORM IS THOSE
[2:43:17] LOCATIONS THAT DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF BURYING THEIR POWER LINES
[2:43:22] BEFORE OR IN THE PAST, LIKE LONGBOAT KEY AND BIRD KEY.
[2:43:26] THEY CAME BACK SO MUCH QUICKER IF THEY HAD ANY ISSUES AND WE
[2:43:29] WERE STUCK WITHOUT POWER, WITHOUT WATER, OTHER THINGS FOR
[2:43:32] A LONG TIME. SO BIG PICTURE IS, ALL OF
[2:43:38] FLORIDA'S BARRIER ISLANDS HAVE GOT TO BECOME MUCH MORE
[2:43:41] RESILIENT. ALL OF THESE POWER LINES SHOULD
[2:43:43] BE BURIED OVER TIME, PARTICULARLY OURS FOR A WHOLE
[2:43:47] BUNCH OF DIFFERENT REASONS, WHICH I WON'T GO INTO NOW.
[2:43:50] BUT WE'RE IN DESPERATE NEED. ONE THING ABOUT CHRIS, HE IS
[2:43:55] LIKE A FORCE TO BE -- IN DOING SURVEYS.
[2:44:00] THE REALITY IS, BACK IN, FOUR FIVE YEARS AGO, MAYBE FIVE, SIX
[2:44:05] YEARS AGO, HE HAD THE SAME QUESTIONS ON THE SAME SURVEYS
[2:44:07] THAT SAID, DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD UNDERGROUND?
[2:44:11] IF SO, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO PAY FOR IT?
[2:44:14] I THINK TWO-THIRDS SAID YES. NOW WE'RE AT 87% IN LIGHT OF
[2:44:19] WHAT HAPPENED. THE OTHER GREAT THING THAT'S
[2:44:22] HAPPENED SINCE WE STARTED TO GET INVOLVED IN THIS AND REALIZING
[2:44:25] WE'VE GOT TO GET THIS DONE IS CARL AND DENNIS JUMPED IN AS
[2:44:31] WELL VERY QUICKLY. THE MERCHANTS NEED TO GET THIS
[2:44:33] DONE AS WELL FOR REASONS THAT ARE ACTUALLY MORE IMPORTANT THAN
[2:44:37] FOR THE RESIDENTS. SO WE'RE A TEAM HERE AND WE'RE
[2:44:40] ALL WORKING TOGETHER. THE REALITY IS WE OVERLAP EACH
[2:44:43] OTHER AND WE WORK AND SHOP AND GO TO THE SAME RESTAURANTS AND
[2:44:48] THE LIKE. WHAT WE DID DO UP FRONT IS I
[2:44:53] HELPED CHRIS A LITTLE BIT BY DOING A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH
[2:44:55] ABOUT THE PROS AND CONS AND PLUSES AND MINUSES OF THE WHOLE
[2:45:01] THING. IT WAS GREAT.
[2:45:02] I SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH FPL, LONGBOAT KEY, CONSULTANTS,
[2:45:08] CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES, RESIDENTS, RESIDENTS OF WEST
[2:45:09] PALM BEACH AND THE CEO OF ANOTHER MAJOR POWER COMPANY IN
[2:45:12] THE COUNTRY. IT JUST MAKES YOU WANT TO DO IT
[2:45:16] EVEN FASTER AND BETTER AND QUICKER.
[2:45:19] WE'LL SEE HOW IT GOES, FINALLY AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE SAW THE
[2:45:23] MAYOR FIRST, SO THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE
[2:45:26] INVOLVED. >>Mayor Alpert: THANK YOU.
[2:45:27] THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND ALAN.
[2:45:30] >> THANK YOU. MY NAME IS ALAN PARISSER.
[2:45:33] I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE SOUTH POINSETTIA PARK NEIGHBORHOOD
[2:45:37] ASSOCIATION. OBVIOUSLY, DO I LIVE IN THE CITY
[2:45:41] ON CLEMATIS STREET. CAN I TELL YOU I HAVE A VERY
[2:45:44] LARGE AND NOT SO ATTRACTIVE STREETLIGHT POLE DIRECTLY IN
[2:45:47] FRONT OF MY HOUSE. I FIRST OF ALL WOULD LIKE TO
[2:45:51] THANK ALL THE COMMISSIONERS FOR REVIEWING OUR REQUEST TO
[2:45:55] CONSIDER THE IDEA OF A LIGHTING ZONE AND REPLACEMENT OF
[2:45:59] STREETLIGHTS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FOR BOTH SAFETY AND AESTHETIC
[2:46:04] PURPOSES. I WOULD NOTE THAT WE'RE VERY
[2:46:06] FORTUNATE TO HAVE HAD -- I SHOULDN'T SAY ALL, MOST OF THE
[2:46:09] POWER LINES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WERE UNDERGROUNDED BY FPL, ABOUT
[2:46:15] FIVE YEARS AGO, AS PART OF A PROGRAM TO DETERMINE WHAT KIND
[2:46:20] OF COSTS THEY WOULD BUMP INTO FROM DOING THESE THINGS.
[2:46:23] AND THAT HAS RESULTED IN REDUCING THE COSTS OF THEN
[2:46:26] REMOVING THE REMAINING WOODEN POLES AND STREETLIGHTS AND
[2:46:31] REPLACING THEM WITH MORE MODERN AND MORE ATTRACTIVE POLES.
[2:46:35] SO WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE IN THAT REGARD.
[2:46:39] WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT FOR PROBABLY FOUR OR
[2:46:42] FIVE YEARS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE DID HAVE A SURVEY.
[2:46:44] WE HAD A VERY GOOD RESPONSE RATE.
[2:46:46] MORE THAN 75% SAID THEY APPROVED DOING THIS KIND OF THING, BUT,
[2:46:51] FRANKLY, THEY HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST.
[2:46:53] THEY ARE AWARE THAT IT WILL COST SOME AMOUNT.
[2:46:56] OF COURSE, WE'RE ALL LOOKING FORWARD TO FINDING OUT WHAT THE
[2:46:58] MAGIC NUMBER IS. WE'VE BEEN IN CONSTANT
[2:47:02] COMMUNICATION WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
[2:47:04] THEY REMAIN VERY ENTHUSIASTIC, BUT, AGAIN, WE'RE STILL WAITING
[2:47:07] TO FIND OUT WHAT EXACTLY -- WHAT WILL IT TAKE FROM THE
[2:47:11] NEIGHBORHOOD'S POINT OF VIEW TO GET THINGS MOVING.
[2:47:15] SO I'M LOOKING VERY MUCH FORWARD TO THE COMMISSION'S APPROVAL
[2:47:18] TODAY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FEASIBILITY STUDY TO DETERMINE
[2:47:22] THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS, THE FINANCIAL IMPACT AND SO FORTH.
[2:47:27] I THINK THIS WILL BENEFIT NOT JUST THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THE
[2:47:29] CITY, BECAUSE I THINK THIS CAN BECOME A ROLE MODEL OF HOW TO DO
[2:47:32] THINGS IN THE FUTURE. I'M SURE THERE ARE MANY
[2:47:35] NEIGHBORHOODS, WE FOUND OUT TODAY, ABOUT 50 OF THEM, WHO
[2:47:39] HAVE A LIST OF THINGS THEY'D LIKE TO DO, BUT THEY DON'T KNOW
[2:47:44] HOW TO GO ABOUT GETTING IT DONE. THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD ROAD MAP
[2:47:48] FOR THEM TO FOLLOW. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS VERY
[2:47:53] MUCH SO. I HEARD NIK SAY, THOUGH, IT WILL
[2:47:57] TAKE THREE TO FOUR YEARS. THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT LONGER
[2:47:59] THAN WE HAD ANTICIPATED. SO I'M HOPING WE CAN NOT ONLY
[2:48:02] APPROVE IT, BUT MAYBE ACCELERATE THE SCHEDULE A BIT.
[2:48:05] THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING
[2:48:09] US THE PRIVILEGE TO SPEAK TO YOU TODAY.
[2:48:11] THANK YOU. >>Mayor Alpert: THANK YOU.
[2:48:12] THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS.
[2:48:17] I SEE COMMISSIONER OHLRICH IS ON THE BOARD.
[2:48:20] >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: THANK YOU, MAYOR.
[2:48:39] IT SEEMS THAT ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS WHO WERE PRESENT
[2:48:43] HERE ARE INTERESTED IN THE PROJECT, AND THEY ACTUALLY WOULD
[2:48:48] LIKE US TO ACCELERATE THE PROJECT.
[2:48:50] TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ACCELERATING THE PROJECT.
[2:48:57] >>Nik Patel: NIK PATEL, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, FOR THE RECORD.
[2:49:01] SO ACCELERATION, THE CHALLENGE ASSOCIATED WITH IT, THIS
[2:49:08] WEEKEND, THE MAYOR OF THE TOWN OF LONGBOAT KEY SPOKE UP AND
[2:49:12] ORIGINALLY THEIR PLAN WAS TO GET IT DONE IN ROUGHLY ABOUT FOUR TO
[2:49:15] FIVE YEARS. IT TOOK THEM CLOSE TO SEVEN
[2:49:18] YEARS TO GET IT DONE. THE CHALLENGE IS THERE ARE
[2:49:23] MULTIPLE THINGS THAT CAN CAUSE SOME CHALLENGES TO ACCELERATE.
[2:49:29] SPECIFICALLY, IT'S NOT JUST UNDERGROUNDING FPL, BUT IT'S
[2:49:32] ALSO UNDERGROUNDING ALL THE OTHER UTILITIES, VERIZON.
[2:49:36] YOU HAVE COMCAST. YOU HAVE MULTIPLE DIFFERENT
[2:49:40] OTHER FRANCHISEES THAT NEED TO UNDERGROUND.
[2:49:42] SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES.
[2:49:46] THINK THE WAY THE MAYOR PUT IT WAS THAT WAS AN ADVENTURE OF ITS
[2:49:51] OWN, SPECIFICALLY NOT WITH FPL BUT FOR THE OTHER FRANCHISEES.
[2:49:55] AND THEN THE OTHER ASPECT IS ALSO YOU HAVE TO GET PUBLIC
[2:50:00] EASEMENTS FROM PROPERTY OWNERS, AND THAT TAKES TIME AS WELL.
[2:50:05] SURE, WE'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO ACCELERATE
[2:50:07] THE PROJECT, BUT THERE MAY BE SOME BARRIERS THAT MAY PRECLUDE
[2:50:12] US FROM GETTING THERE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
[2:50:16] >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: IS THE CITY THE LEAD AGENCY IN THIS?
[2:50:18] >>Nik Patel: THAT'S CORRECT. THE CITY WOULD BE.
[2:50:20] >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: THANK YOU.
[2:50:20] ONE MORE QUESTION, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE LANGUAGE THAT
[2:50:27] WOULD PROHIBIT THE CREATION OF A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT DISTRICT IN
[2:50:31] ANY OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD AT ANOTHER TIME, RIGHT?
[2:50:35] >>Nik Patel: THAT IS CORRECT. >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: THOSE
[2:50:36] ARE MY QUESTIONS. >>Mayor Alpert: THANK YOU.
[2:50:38] VICE MAYOR. >>Vice-Mayor Trice: THANK YOU.
[2:50:47] WHO ACTUALLY WOULD BE DOING THE PHYSICAL LABOR AFTER THE
[2:50:50] PLANNING AND ALL THAT IS TAKEN CARE OF AND NOW YOU HAVE AN
[2:50:54] IMPLEMENTATION PHASE, WHO WOULD BE DOING THE LABOR?
[2:50:59] >>Nik Patel: FOR THE LIGHTING DISTRICT, THERE'S A MODEL THAT
[2:51:03] HAS BEEN DONE BY THE COUNTY. ESSENTIALLY, FPL WOULD BE THE
[2:51:11] LEAD ON THAT AS FAR AS PROVIDING THE LIGHTING, DOING THE
[2:51:15] ANALYSIS, AND ALSO PROVIDING THE OPTIONS OF THE DIFFERENT LIGHT
[2:51:21] POLES FOR THE LIGHTING DISTRICT, SPECIFICALLY TIED TO THE
[2:51:28] UNDERGROUNDING WOULD HAVE TO HIRE A CONSULTANT TO WORK OUT
[2:51:32] THE EASEMENTS AND WORK WITH FPL, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO PUT A
[2:51:36] CONTRACTOR OUT TO BID TO UNDERGROUND.
[2:51:43] THERE ARE SPECIALTY CONTRACTORS THAT WORK WITH FPL, AND THEY
[2:51:46] WILL BE THE ONES THAT WOULD ULTIMATELY DO THE WORK
[2:51:49] ASSOCIATED WITH IT. >>Vice-Mayor Trice: THANK YOU.
[2:51:53] THE REASON FOR MY QUESTION IS, AT LEAST FOR SOME OF THE PEOPLE
[2:51:57] DOING THE WORK, I IMAGINE IT'S A SPECIALIZED EXPERTISE.
[2:52:06] IF WE HAVE CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS WHO ARE SAYING WE HAVE THE
[2:52:11] WHEREWITHAL TO PAY TO HAVE THIS WORK DONE, AND WE HAVE OTHER
[2:52:18] NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY THAT ALSO HAVE BEEN ASKING TO BE
[2:52:22] UNDERGROUNDED OR HAVE STREET LIGHTING, ARE THEY GOING TO BE
[2:52:27] TAKING A BACK SEAT BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO BECOME A SPECIAL
[2:52:34] DISTRICT AND PAY THE MONEY. CAN THERE BE, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE
[2:52:43] FOR UNDERGROUNDING IN THESE BARRIER ISLANDS THAT ARE WILLING
[2:52:46] TO PAY AND ALSO HAVE PARALLEL PROJECTS WITHIN THE CITY IN
[2:52:52] NEIGHBORHOODS THAT CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY OR THE POOR NEIGHBORHOODS
[2:52:58] GET PUSHED TO THE BACK BECAUSE THE WEALTHY NEIGHBORHOODS GO OUT
[2:53:05] FRONT? >> IF I CAN TAKE A CRACK AT
[2:53:06] THAT, MADAM MAYOR. THIS SPECIFICALLY DEALS WITH THE
[2:53:11] CREATION OF A DISTRICT WHICH HAS VERY DEFINED GEOGRAPHIC
[2:53:14] BOUNDARIES. ONE OF THE THINGS, BEFORE I GET
[2:53:17] TO THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, THAT THE COMMISSION WILL NEED TO
[2:53:20] KNOW, ONCE WE HAVE THE COSTS, WHICH WILL BE KNOWN ON A
[2:53:25] PER-PROPERTY BASIS, YOU MAY WANT TO BE ASSURED THAT THERE'S
[2:53:29] ENOUGH PEOPLE WHO STILL WANT TO DO IT, NOW THAT THEY KNOW THE
[2:53:35] COST, IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD. WE'LL HAVE THAT QUEUED UP FOR
[2:53:38] YOU. WHEN WE DO IT AS A DISTRICT,
[2:53:40] WHICH IS THE PRIMARY WAY THIS IS DONE, HAVING DONE THIS ONCE
[2:53:44] BEFORE ON A BARRIER ISLAND, SOME FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE OF IT, WHEN
[2:53:49] YOU MOVE OUT OF THAT AND YOU SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, DOES THE CITY
[2:53:52] WANT TO PAY FOR SOMETHING, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO MAKE A
[2:53:55] POLICY -- YOU'LL HAVE TO HAVE A POLICY DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT,
[2:53:59] WHERE THE REVENUE WOULD COME FROM AND SO ON.
[2:54:02] THIS ONE WILL REQUIRE THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO PAY AN
[2:54:08] ASSESSMENT BASED ON THE BENEFIT DIRECTLY TO THEIR PROPERTY.
[2:54:12] IT'S A VERY BENEFIT AND PROPERTY RELATED DETERMINATION OF COSTS.
[2:54:18] IF YOU LOOK FOR A DIFFERENT MODEL, WE COULD HAVE THE POLICY
[2:54:22] DISCUSSIONS AROUND WHAT THAT MIGHT BE.
[2:54:25] THERE ARE DIFFERENT MODELS FOR IT.
[2:54:26] IN FACT, YOU HEARD ONE EARLIER, FPL HAS DONE -- AND YOU HEARD
[2:54:30] FROM THE FPL GENTLEMAN MAYBE TWO MONTHS AGO, THEY HAVE DONE VERY,
[2:54:35] I CALL THEM LIMITED UNDERGROUNDING BASED ON THEIR
[2:54:40] COMPLAINTS AND SO ON. BUT THERE'S BEEN ENOUGH DONE NOW
[2:54:44] IN THE LAST THREE, FOUR, FIVE YEARS THAT THE COSTS ARE PRETTY
[2:54:49] WELL KNOWN. THE ONLY VARIATION IS GOING TO
[2:54:50] BE HOW DOES IT APPLY TO THE SPECIFIC PROPERTY.
[2:54:55] BUT RIGHT NOW, THIS IS A BENEFIT PAID BY THE PROPERTY OWNER.
[2:54:57] THE CITY SETS UP THE DISTRICT, DOES ALL OF THE WORK, DOES THE
[2:55:02] CONTRACTING, AS NIK SAID. THERE WOULD BE A BID FOR THE
[2:55:05] CONSTRUCTION. WE'LL DO RFP FOR CONSULTANT THAT
[2:55:07] HELPS US GET ALL OF THIS ORGANIZED AND UNDERWAY.
[2:55:11] AND ALL OF THOSE COSTS GET WRAPPED INTO A FINANCING.
[2:55:14] AND THEN PAID FOR OVER TIME BY EACH PROPERTY OWNER.
[2:55:18] >>Vice-Mayor Trice: I'M STILL CONCERNED, SO FPL HAS IDENTIFIED
[2:55:24] A BLOCK HERE, A BLOCK THERE BASED ON PROBLEMS.
[2:55:28] FPL HAS MOVED FORWARD TO UNDERGROUND THERE.
[2:55:33] I'M WONDERING IF DOING THESE SPECIAL DISTRICTS WILL ABSORB
[2:55:40] ALL THE AVAILABLE, LOCAL LABOR WHO CAN DO THE UNDERGROUNDING SO
[2:55:45] THAT THE BLOCK HERE, BLOCK THERE IN SARASOTA THAT HAVE PROBLEMS
[2:55:50] BUT ARE NOT IN ONE OF THE SPECIAL DISTRICTS WILL, SORRY,
[2:55:56] WE DON'T HAVE MANPOWER TO FIX YOUR PROBLEM.
[2:55:59] >>Dave Bullock: I BELIEVE THERE ARE ENOUGH UNDERGROUNDING
[2:56:01] CONTRACTORS OUT THERE. IT'S HARD TO DRIVE VERY FAR IN
[2:56:05] THIS STATE AND NOT SEE SOMEONE WITH A DIRECTIONAL BORE MACHINE
[2:56:10] BURYING SOME TYPE OF CONDUIT. THERE ARE A LOT OF THOSE
[2:56:13] CONTRACTORS OUT THERE. I CAN'T SPEAK SPECIFICALLY, BUT
[2:56:15] I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF THIS PROJECT ATE UP ALL THE
[2:56:20] CONTRACTORS. I CAN'T ENVISION THAT.
[2:56:23] >>Vice-Mayor Trice: SO I'M WONDERING, DO YOU ANTICIPATE
[2:56:27] THAT THE CITY MAY STILL GO TO BAT WITH FPL FOR SOME OF OUR
[2:56:34] OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH AND NEED
[2:56:38] UNDERGROUNDING. >>Dave Bullock: WE'LL BE DEEPLY
[2:56:39] ENGAGED WITH FPL ON THIS PROJECT.
[2:56:42] WE CAN CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THEIR CRITERIA, THEIR TIMING.
[2:56:45] REMEMBER, THEY ARE OPERATING UNDER A PSC MANDATE TO
[2:56:50] UNDERGROUND EVERYTHING WITHIN 30 YEARS.
[2:56:52] SO THEY ARE NOT NECESSARILY TIME DRIVEN.
[2:56:56] CERTAINLY NOT AS URGENT AS WHAT YOU HEAR FROM THESE RESIDENTS
[2:56:59] AND BUSINESSES. BUT THEY ARE ON THAT LONG
[2:57:04] PROJECT BASED ON THE PSC RULINGS TO UNDERGROUND WITHIN 30 YEARS.
[2:57:11] >>Vice-Mayor Trice: I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT CERTAIN
[2:57:14] NEIGHBORHOODS WHOSE FPL POLES ARE AT AN ANGLE AND CONTINUE TO
[2:57:18] BE AT AN ANGLE AND DON'T WANT THEM PUSHED OFF TEN YEARS
[2:57:23] BECAUSE OF THIS. THANK YOU.
[2:57:25] >>Mayor Alpert: THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER AHEARN-KOCH.
[2:57:28] >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: THANK YOU. WHAT IS THE APPROVAL PROCESS
[2:57:30] NEEDED FOR THIS FROM THIS COMMISSION?
[2:57:34] LET'S SAY THE DISTRICT, COME BACK WITH A PLAN.
[2:57:36] COST THIS MUCH PER PERSON. THIS IS WHAT -- WHAT TIMELINE.
[2:57:41] FROM OUR END, WHAT IS THE APPROVAL PROCESS AS FAR AS
[2:57:44] CREATING THE DISTRICT? THREE, SUPERMAJORITY OR FIVE?
[2:57:51] >> THREE. >>Mayor Alpert: THANK YOU, BOB.
[2:57:59] >>Dave Bullock: THERE WILL BE A FINANCING.
[2:58:00] THAT FINANCING WILL COME TO THE COMMISSION IN THE FORM OF A BOND
[2:58:03] ISSUE. IT WILL BE DEBT, WHICH IS
[2:58:06] PROBABLY BACKED BY, I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, COVENANT TO BUDGET AND
[2:58:11] APPROPRIATE LEGALLY AVAILABLE NON-AD VALOREM REVENUE, BUT YOU
[2:58:13] WILL REPAY IT WITH THE ASSESSMENTS RECEIVED FROM THE
[2:58:17] PROPERTIES WITHIN THE DISTRICT. >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: WILL THAT
[2:58:21] IMPACT OUR BOND RATING AT ALL? >>Dave Bullock: NO, IT WON'T.
[2:58:25] I WOULD BE SHOCKED IF IT DID. I SEE NO SCENARIO WHERE THAT
[2:58:28] IMPACTS IT. THESE ARE PRETTY STANDARD BONDS.
[2:58:32] >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: CONCEIVABLY, COULD EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE
[2:58:35] CITY APPLY FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS?
[2:58:38] >>Nik Patel: SURE. THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET AT LEAST
[2:58:41] TWO-THIRDS OR A MAJORITY OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS TO AGREE TO
[2:58:44] THIS, AND THEN WE CAN DO THE SAME PROCESS FOR THEM AS WELL.
[2:58:48] >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: ON THE EASEMENT SITUATION, WHAT IF AN
[2:58:51] EASEMENT IS NOT GRANTED? >>Nik Patel: THERE ARE WAYS TO
[2:58:59] WORK AROUND THAT. WE WILL NEED -- SOME PROPERTIES
[2:59:06] WILL -- IT IS MORE AN EDUCATION ASPECT OF IT TO EXPLAIN THE NEED
[2:59:11] FOR THE EASEMENT. CERTAINLY, A PROPERTY HAS A
[2:59:15] RIGHT TO NOT GRANT AN EASEMENT, BUT I'M SURE WE CAN WORK ON A
[2:59:22] CASE-BY-CASE BASIS ON THAT. >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: MR. BULLOCK,
[2:59:25] YOU MAY REMEMBER. IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT
[2:59:29] WAS REQUIRED TO HAVE HUNDRED PERCENT AGREEMENT ON SOMETHING
[2:59:34] LIKE THIS AND THEY GOT IT. >>Dave Bullock: NO.
[2:59:38] IN LONGBOAT KEY WE DID TWO REFERENDA.
[2:59:40] ONE PASSED BY ABOUT 70 PERCENT AND ONE BY ABOUT SOMEWHERE NEAR
[2:59:44] 60 PERCENT. IT'S BEEN A FEW YEARS NOW
[2:59:48] EXACTLY. THE COMMISSION SIMPLY SAID
[2:59:51] MAJORITY WOULD CARRY THE DAY. YOU DO GET TO SET, YOU ALL HAVE
[2:59:57] TO DECIDE TO FORM THE DISTRICT AND THEN INCUR DEBT ON BEHALF OF
[3:00:00] THE CITY. YOU DO NEED TO REACH A COMFORT
[3:00:04] LEVEL THAT ENOUGH OF THE RESIDENTS WANT TO DO THIS, THEY
[3:00:06] NOW KNOW THE COST TO DO THIS, THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO MOVE
[3:00:10] FORWARD. YOUR ORDINANCE DOES SET OUT SOME
[3:00:15] MINIMUMS, BUT YOU'LL NEED TO EITHER AGREE WITH WHAT'S ALREADY
[3:00:19] BEEN SET OUT OR SET NEW MINIMUMS IN ORDER TO GIVE YOURSELVES
[3:00:23] COMFORT TO DO IT. BECAUSE THE LAST THING YOU WANT
[3:00:27] TO DO IS GET 50% OF THE VOTE PLUS ONE PERSON, AND THEN YOU
[3:00:32] HAVE 49.9 PERCENT THAT ARE JUST VERY, VERY UPSET BECAUSE THIS IS
[3:00:38] AN ASSESSMENT THAT WILL BE ON THEIR PROPERTY BILLS IF THEY
[3:00:41] DON'T PAY IT ALL UP FRONT FOR MANY YEARS TO COME.
[3:00:45] IT IS A SIGNIFICANT COST. THAT WILL BE ONE OF THE THINGS
[3:00:50] WE CAN BRING FORWARD IN THE NEXT ITERATION OF THE PROCESS IS HOW
[3:00:55] YOU WANT TO DO THIS. IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO GET
[3:00:58] STARTED, TO START THOSE COST ESTIMATES, SO THAT THE RESIDENTS
[3:01:01] AND BUSINESSES, THE PROPERTY OWNERS KNOW OR HAVE A DECENT
[3:01:06] IDEA OF WHAT THEIR COSTS WOULD BE.
[3:01:10] >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: MR. PATEL, AT THE PRESENTATION BY MAYOR
[3:01:15] SCHNEIDER AT LIDO ON SATURDAY MORNING, ONE THING HE DID SAY
[3:01:19] WHICH SHOCKED ME TREMENDOUSLY, BECAUSE I REALLY ALMOST EVERY
[3:01:22] HEARD OF THIS, WAS THAT THE COST WAS $6 MILLION LESS THAN THEY
[3:01:27] WERE QUOTED OR THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE.
[3:01:28] DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS DUE TO? COULD ANY OF THESE OTHER
[3:01:32] NEIGHBORHOODS EXPECT A SURPRISE LIKE THAT TOO TO BE GIVEN THEM?
[3:01:37] >>Dave Bullock: CAN I ANSWER THAT ONE?
[3:01:41] AT THE TIME, THE TOWN MANAGER OF LONGBOAT KEY ADDED 15% TO THE
[3:01:49] ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE. BECAUSE I'VE NEVER SEEN A
[3:01:53] PROJECT THAT DID NOT, COMPLEX, LONG PERIOD OF TIME THAT DID NOT
[3:01:58] GO OVER BUDGET. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT
[3:02:01] NUMBER WAS, BUT I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT'S WHAT HE DID AND THE
[3:02:05] PROJECT TURNED OUT NOT TO NEED MOST OF IT.
[3:02:09] >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: SO IT WAS OVERESTIMATING.
[3:02:11] IT WASN'T THAT THERE WERE ECONOMIES OF SCALE OR THAT THEY
[3:02:16] PURCHASED BULK IN SOMETHING. I GUESS NOT.
[3:02:22] AND THEN TO THE VICE MAYOR'S OVERARCHING CONCERN, A WHILE AGO
[3:02:29] AND MAYBE SOMEBODY FROM FPL CAN SPEAK TO THIS, I WAS AT A
[3:02:34] FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES MEETING AND SOMEBODY FROM FPL SAID THAT
[3:02:38] THERE ARE IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE A
[3:02:42] NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD LIKE TO GO FORWARD WITH UNDERGROUNDING
[3:02:46] THEMSELVES AND WOULD TAKE A PORTION OF THE RESPONSIBILITY,
[3:02:49] THERE ARE GRANTS AVAILABLE FOR PARTIAL FUNDING, BUT YOU HAVE TO
[3:02:54] MEET CERTAIN CRITERIA. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE GRANTS
[3:02:56] ARE STILL AVAILABLE, BUT PERHAPS WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT IN THIS
[3:03:01] SITUATION THAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO.
[3:03:06] >>Nik Patel: YES, WE'LL LOOK INTO THE GRANTS FOR THAT.
[3:03:09] >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: THANK YOU. >>Mayor Alpert: COMMISSIONER
[3:03:12] BATTIE. >>Kyle Battie: THANK YOU ALL FOR
[3:03:13] YOUR PRESENTATION. APPRECIATE IT.
[3:03:14] THANK YOU, MAYOR. I GUESS THIS SPEAKS TO THE VICE
[3:03:20] MAYOR'S POINT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CREATING
[3:03:23] THESE DISTRICTS OR TIFs, IF YOU WILL, TAKE CARE OF THIS TYPE
[3:03:31] OF SITUATION, AND HOW THAT PERTAINS TO AREAS, IT'S OF THE
[3:03:40] UTMOST URGENCY OUT ON THE BARRIER ISLANDS.
[3:03:43] WE KNOW THAT. AND EVEN AREAS IN THE CITY THAT
[3:03:48] FLOODED UP NEAR WHERE I AM, LIKE WHITAKER BAYOU.
[3:03:52] SAY IN DISTRICT ONE AND DISTRICT THREE AND WHATNOT, LET'S KEEP IT
[3:04:00] REAL, DISTRICT TWO HAS ALL THE MONEY AND WHATNOT.
[3:04:05] DISTRICT ONE DOESN'T NOR DOES DISTRICT THREE.
[3:04:08] HOW DOES THIS WORK WITH THOSE DISTRICTS IN TERMS OF THEM
[3:04:14] FINDING FUNDING TO GET THESE THINGS DONE?
[3:04:18] >>Dave Bullock: I'LL TAKE THAT ONE, TOO, BECAUSE FUNDING IS
[3:04:20] KIND OF IN MY ARENA THERE. IT'S NOT AS NEAT AND IT'S NOT AS
[3:04:25] CLEAN AS THE CREATION OF A DISTRICT WHERE THE PROPERTY
[3:04:29] OWNERS AGREE TO PAY. AND YOU'RE SECURE THAT ONE, THEY
[3:04:32] WANT TO DO IT, TWO, THEY JUST MADE THE COMMITMENT AND THERE IS
[3:04:35] AN ASSESSMENT PLACED ON THEM. YOU DO HAVE SOME OTHER TOOLS.
[3:04:39] I'M NOT SAYING RIGHT OR WRONG, ADVOCATING FOR OR AGAINST,
[3:04:43] CRAs HAVE BEEN USED TO UNDERGROUND IN THE PAST.
[3:04:45] IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT. IT'S AN INFRASTRUCTURE
[3:04:48] IMPROVEMENT THAT BENEFITS THE COMMUNITY.
[3:04:49] SO THAT IS A METHOD. THE CITY CAN EXPLORE SOME OTHER
[3:04:55] METHODS THAT WILL HELP YOU KIND OF WORK THROUGH, POSSIBLY SOME
[3:05:01] GRANTS, PROBABLY WON'T MAKE A SIGNIFICANT DENT IN THE OVERALL
[3:05:04] COST BUT MIGHT HELP. I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THE
[3:05:08] FEDERAL PROGRAMS MIGHT BE APPLICABLE.
[3:05:11] THEY ARE ALL PART OF INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS AND
[3:05:14] RESILIENCY, WHICH IS GETTING SOME PRETTY DECENT FUNDING.
[3:05:17] I'M SORRY NOT SURE THAT THEY'LL QUALIFY, BUT THOSE ARE THE KIND
[3:05:20] OF THINGS THAT I WOULD START TO LOOK AT.
[3:05:25] >>Kyle Battie: THAT WAS THE FIRST THING THAT CAME TO MIND
[3:05:28] WHEN THINKING ABOUT NEWTOWN WAS THE CRA AND HOW THAT FUNDING
[3:05:31] WORKS WITH THE CRA. BUT THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS.
[3:05:34] THANK YOU, MAYOR. >>Mayor Alpert: ALL RIGHT.
[3:05:37] THANK YOU. IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS,
[3:05:42] CAN I GET A MOTION? >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: I'LL
[3:05:44] MAKE A MOTION, MAYOR. MOVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE STAKEHOLDER
[3:05:50] SUPPORT AND AUTHORIZE CITY STAFF TO CONDUCT ITEMS 1 THROUGH 4 AS
[3:05:56] INDICATED ON PAGE 2 OF THE AGENDA REQUEST FORM FOR AGENDA
[3:06:02] NUMBER 12.1. >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: SECOND.
[3:06:05] >>Mayor Alpert: ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER OHLRICH MOVED TO
[3:06:09] ACKNOWLEDGE STAKEHOLDER SUPPORT AND AUTHORIZE CITY STAFF TO DO
[3:06:14] ITEMS ONE THROUGH FOUR ON THE ADMINISTRATION'S
[3:06:18] RECOMMENDATIONS. COMMISSIONER AHEARN-KOCH
[3:06:21] SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONERS?
[3:06:24] >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: I THINK WE'VE HAD PLENTY OF DISCUSSION.
[3:06:26] >>Mayor Alpert: OKAY. THANK YOU.
[3:06:28] IF YOU WILL VOTE. IS THAT YOUR VOTE,
[3:06:32] COMMISSIONERS? PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[3:06:37] CONGRATULATIONS. OKAY.
[3:06:38] ALL RIGHT. WE ARE NOW AT ITEM 12.2, NEW
[3:06:49] BUSINESS. VERY EXCITING.
[3:06:54] THIS IS PLAN FOR THE BAY PARK PHASE 3A AND DESIGN OF 3B BY THE
[3:07:00] BAY PARK CONSERVANCY TO BE FINANCED IN THE FUTURE WITH THE
[3:07:06] REVENUE PAID UTILIZING THE BAY TAX INCREMENTAL FINANCING FUND.
[3:07:12] I AM GOING TO CALL UPON AG LAFLEY, COO OF THE BAY PARK
[3:07:17] CONSERVANCY, TO MAKE A PRESENTATION.
[3:07:20] THANK YOU ALL. I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN WAITING ALL
[3:07:23] DAY FOR THIS. >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.
[3:07:28] >> HANG ON ONE SEC. FIRST, I HAVE TO FIND MY WAY
[3:07:31] INTO THE PROGRAM. >>Mayor Alpert: MILES TO THE
[3:07:37] RESCUE. >> ALL RIGHT.
[3:07:54] JENNIFER. >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.
[3:07:56] I'M JENNIFER COMPTON. I'M CHAIR OF THE BAY PARK
[3:07:58] CONSERVANCY. WITH ME IS AG LAFLEY, OUR
[3:08:02] FOUNDING CEO, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU FOR
[3:08:06] MAYBE THE NINTH TIME I THINK DOING THIS.
[3:08:10] AND MORE ALONG THE WAY. FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY,
[3:08:13] WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE AND SEEK APPROVAL FOR THE
[3:08:16] NEXT PHASE OF THE BAY PARK. I'M GOING TO TAKE US FROM THE
[3:08:20] PAST TO THE PRESENT. AG WILL TAKE US FROM THE PRESENT
[3:08:25] FORWARD. CAN YOU PROJECT IT?
[3:08:32] >> I WAS DOING SO WELL. WE'LL GO BACK ONE.
[3:08:47] >> THIS IS OUR AGENDA FOR TODAY. WE WILL GO AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN.
[3:08:51] WE KNOW YOU'VE BEEN HERE A WHILE ALREADY.
[3:08:54] NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THE STARTING POINT AS ALWAYS, WE
[3:08:57] KNOW THAT GREAT CITIES HAVE GREAT PARKS.
[3:09:00] AND THE BAY PARK AND OUR HUMBLE ESTIMATION IS OUR MILLENNIUM
[3:09:05] PARK. IT IS OUR CENTRAL PARK, AND WE
[3:09:06] WORKED VERY HARD TO MAKE IT THE OUTSTANDING PLACE IT IS AND
[3:09:11] COMPLEMENT TO THE CITY PARK SYSTEM.
[3:09:13] EVERY BIT OF WORK DONE ON THAT SITE IS DONE AND DRIVEN BY THREE
[3:09:17] ENDURING GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT YOU'LL SEE ON THE SCREEN.
[3:09:20] THEY INFORM EVERY DECISION WE MAKE AND EVERY DOLLAR WE SPEND,
[3:09:24] AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE ANYONE THAT'S NOT ATTENDED ONE OF OUR
[3:09:26] BOARD MEETINGS TO COME AND LISTEN.
[3:09:28] WE TALK ABOUT THIS STUFF ALL THE TIME.
[3:09:30] TODAY, WE'RE REALLY GOING TO BE FOCUSING ON BLUE AND GREEN OASIS
[3:09:34] FOR A PORTION OF THE PRESENTATION.
[3:09:37] SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN WITH US SINCE THE BEGINNING, FOR THOSE
[3:09:39] OF YOU THAT HAVEN'T, WE'LL TAKE A QUICK WALK DOWN MEMORY LANE,
[3:09:42] GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE SARASOTA BAYFRONT PLANNING
[3:09:45] ORGANIZATION. THAT WAS THE ENTITY THAT CAME ON
[3:09:49] THE HEELS OF BAYFRONT 2020 AND A COUPLE OF ANOTHER INITIATIVES
[3:09:53] THAT WAS THE SEEDING GROUND FONT INITIATIVE.
[3:09:55] FROM THERE, WE PUT TOGETHER THE BAY PARK MASTER PLAN WHICH THIS
[3:09:59] COMMISSION APPROVED IN SEPTEMBER OF 2018.
[3:10:01] THEN WE CREATED THE BAY PARK CONSERVANCY TO HELP US RUN,
[3:10:06] IMPLEMENT, AND OPERATE THE PARK. OUR FIRST PROJECT WAS THE
[3:10:10] FOUNTAIN GARDEN RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER OF BOULEVARD OF THE
[3:10:13] ARTS AND 41. AND THAT WAS DONE IN JANUARY OF
[3:10:16] 2020, RIGHT BEFORE COVID. IT REALLY, WE THINK, SET THE
[3:10:19] TONE FOR WHAT IT WAS GOING TO BE AS A PARK.
[3:10:23] THEN BEPROGRESSED TO DOING THE BAYOU MANGROVE WALKWAY, WHICH IS
[3:10:28] PHENOMENAL. I'M SURE YOU HAVE ALL BEEN
[3:10:29] THERE. THAT WAS AN EARLY INITIATIVE AND
[3:10:31] DONE WITH THE HELP OF ONE OF OUR LOCAL FOUNDATIONS, THE BARANCIK
[3:10:35] FOUNDATION. THEN WE QUICKLY MOVED INTO PHASE
[3:10:37] ONE. PHASE ONE, AS I KNOW EVERYBODY
[3:10:38] ON THE COMMISSION KNOWS, IS THAT BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF LAND RIGHT
[3:10:42] THERE ALONG BOULEVARD OF THE ARTS WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF
[3:10:45] COMMUNITY CELEBRATIONS, INCLUDING OUR MONTHLONG
[3:10:47] CELEBRATION GOING ON RIGHT NOW. WE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE MIDDLE
[3:10:51] OF PHASE TWO, AND WE ARE COMING UP WITH SIMILAR PROJECTS BEING
[3:10:55] DONE. AG WILL GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON
[3:10:58] ALL OF THE PHASE TWO UPDATES. IT WILL BE REALLY GOOD.
[3:11:01] THEN MOVING INTO PHASE THREE BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT OUR GOAL IS
[3:11:04] TO DELIVER AS MUCH PARK AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE FOR OUR
[3:11:07] COMMUNITY. I THINK YOU'LL SEE FROM THE
[3:11:11] SLIDE, WE BUILT MOMENTUM. WE HAVE A PARALLEL TRACK OF NOT
[3:11:16] ONLY DOING THE PROJECT BUT RUNNING THE PARK.
[3:11:18] WE THINK THAT BY DOING IT PARALLEL WITH EACH OTHER WE SAVE
[3:11:21] MONEY AND WE DELIVER ON OUR PROMISE TO GIVE THE COMMUNITY AS
[3:11:24] MUCH PARK AS POSSIBLE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
[3:11:26] AS A CONSERVANCY, WE HAVE FOUR MAIN ROLES.
[3:11:29] THESE ARE ON THE SCREEN IN FRONT OF YOU.
[3:11:32] WE KNOW IT'S OUR JOB TO DO THE MASTER PLAN, DESIGN PLAN AND
[3:11:35] DEVELOP EACH PHASE OF THE NEW PARK.
[3:11:37] THEN WE HAVE TO MANAGE, OPERATE, MAINTAIN IT AND RAISE FUNDS THAT
[3:11:41] ARE CONTRIBUTED IN EXCESS OF WHAT THE CITY AND COUNTY GIVE
[3:11:44] US. THOSE LOOK LIKE FOUR SHORT
[3:11:46] LITTLE SENTENCES AND THEY ARE QUITE BIG TASKS, WE KNOW.
[3:11:50] WE THOUGHT WE WOULD SHARE WITH YOU FUNDING OF THE PARK.
[3:11:54] THE SLIDE ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE WHAT IT IS FOR IMPLEMENTATION
[3:11:57] AND OPERATION, BECAUSE LET'S NOT FORGET WE'RE NOT JUST BUILDING
[3:12:00] IT. WE HAVE TO RUN IT.
[3:12:01] THEN ON THE RIGHT IS IMPLEMENTATION ONLY.
[3:12:03] IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT IT COSTS US TO HAVE THE BAY PARK
[3:12:06] IMPLEMENTATION AND OPERATIONS, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE BPC HAS DONE
[3:12:11] 56% OF IT. WITH NON-CITY, NONCOUNTY FUNDS.
[3:12:15] WE THINK THAT IS A PRETTY IMPRESSIVE NUMBER.
[3:12:19] WHERE DID WE START? THIS WAS THE BEAUTIFUL SITE BACK
[3:12:23] IN 1930. NOTICE THE BAY IS STILL WHERE IT
[3:12:26] IS TODAY WHEN THEY BUILT THE SITE AND STARTED FILLING IT.
[3:12:29] WE ENDED UP WITH 53 ACRES ON THE BAY, WHICH BECAME A PARKING LOT
[3:12:35] SURROUNDING OUR PERFORMING ARTS CENTER.
[3:12:37] THIS MASSIVE PARKING LOT THAT YOU SEE ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE OF
[3:12:39] THE SCREEN THAT'S ADJACENT TO VAN WEZEL IS THE BIGGEST
[3:12:42] POLLUTER ON THE SITE TODAY. ALSO OUR GREATEST OPPORTUNITY TO
[3:12:46] MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN WATER QUALITY FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
[3:12:50] SO WE SET OUT ABOUT MAKING A MASTER PLAN TO CHANGE THAT
[3:12:54] SITUATION. WHAT WAS THE PLAN?
[3:12:55] IT WAS TO TAKE THESE PRECIOUS 53 ACRES AND OVER THE COURSE OF WE
[3:13:00] THOUGHT 8 TO 10 YEARS, SPEND ABOUT $200 MILLION, DO ABOUT
[3:13:04] FOUR OR SO PHASES, AND IT INCLUDED FOUR BUILDINGS THAT ARE
[3:13:09] ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES WHICH POSE THEIR
[3:13:11] OWN CHALLENGE. SOMEHOW WITH ALL THAT, WE ARE
[3:13:13] GOING TO BUILD A PARK. AND WE DID.
[3:13:16] IF YOU LOOK AT THE PARK TODAY, WE HAVE OVER 700,000 USERS THAT
[3:13:20] COME TO THE PARK TO DO EITHER PARK RELATED ACTIVITIES OR ONE
[3:13:24] OF OUR MANY SITE PARTNERS. THAT IS DOUBLE THE AMOUNT THAT
[3:13:29] WAS ON THE SITE THREE YEARS AGO, AND WE BELIEVE IN ANOTHER THREE
[3:13:33] YEARS, WE'LL GET IT UP TO A MILLION USERS A YEAR, WHICH IS
[3:13:37] PRETTY IMPRESSIVE. WHILE WE SET OUT TO BUILD A
[3:13:42] PARK, WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING SO MUCH MORE.
[3:13:43] A LOT OF THIS IS ON THE BLUE AND GREEN OASIS WE TALKED ABOUT.
[3:13:47] THIS IS CLEANING UP. IT'S IMPROVING STORMWATER.
[3:13:50] IT'S MAKING IT MORE RESILIENT. HOW MANY TIMES TODAY WE HEARD
[3:13:54] THE WORD RESILIENT. RESTORING, PRESERVING AND ADDING
[3:13:56] TO THE GREENSPACE. AND IN ADDITION TO ALL THAT WE
[3:13:59] HAVE FUN WHILE THERE AND A REALLY COOL PARK.
[3:14:02] THE RESULT IS THAT WE HAVE A PARK THAT HAS 20 PLUS ACRES
[3:14:06] ALREADY WITH GOLF COURSE QUALITY LAWNS, BEAUTIFUL GARDENS, A LOT
[3:14:10] OF FUN ACTIVITIES, AND EVERY SINGLE DAY THE PARK LOOKS LIKE
[3:14:13] IT DID THE FIRST DAY WE OPENED IT.
[3:14:15] AND THAT IS THE STANDARD WE HOLD OURSELVES TO.
[3:14:19] WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE TWO ESSENTIAL ROLES OF THE BAY PARK
[3:14:22] SITE WHICH SOUNDS SILLY WHEN TALKING ABOUT A PARK BUT TRUE.
[3:14:26] BAY PARK SITE PROTECTS SARASOTA BAY FROM THE CITY.
[3:14:29] ALL OF THE WATER QUALITY ISSUES THAT WE HAVE.
[3:14:31] BUT THE PARK ALSO PROTECTS THE CITY FROM SARASOTA BAY.
[3:14:34] IT STANDS AS A BARRIER BETWEEN THE BAY AND THE CITY SO WE TAKE
[3:14:38] VERY SERIOUSLY OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO HELP PROTECT
[3:14:40] OUR WONDERFUL CITY. RESILIENCE WAS THE WORD OF THE
[3:14:45] YEAR LAST YEAR AND CERTAINLY THE LESSONS WE LEARNED IN THE STORMS
[3:14:49] WAS THAT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE MORE RESILIENT.
[3:14:51] WE KNEW THAT WE WERE BUILDING A PARK FOR RESILIENCY, BUT EVEN WE
[3:14:55] LEARNED SOME LESSONS. THE BAY PARK SUSTAINED OVER A
[3:14:58] MILLION DOLLARS IN DAMAGES. BIG NUMBER, AND THIS WAS A PARK
[3:15:03] THAT WAS BUILT FOR RESILIENCY. I WOULD POINT OUT OUR PARK WAS
[3:15:06] OPEN WITHIN TWO DAYS OF THE LAST STORM.
[3:15:10] AND THAT'S DUE TO GREAT DESIGN BUT ALSO DUE TO A FANTASTIC TEAM
[3:15:13] OUT THERE WORKING BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT THE BAY PARK HAD TO BE
[3:15:16] A PLACE OF RESPITE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
[3:15:17] A LOT OF CITY PARKS WERE NOT ABLE TO OPEN FOR MANY, MANY
[3:15:21] WEEKS, SO WE WERE HAPPY TO BE THE PLACE WHERE OUR COMMUNITY
[3:15:23] COULD GO. THE LESSON WAS THAT IT WAS THE
[3:15:27] STORY OF ONE SITE WITH TWO OUTCOMES.
[3:15:30] BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T TOTALLY DONE THE ENTIRE SITE YET, WE COULD
[3:15:33] SEE SIDE BY SIDE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU PLAN FOR RESILIENCY
[3:15:36] VERSUS WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PLAN FOR
[3:15:38] RESILIENCY. ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE, YOU'LL
[3:15:40] SEE THE DAMAGE FROM THE STORM AND THERE WAS DAMAGE, BUT IT WAS
[3:15:44] INTENTIONALLY DESIGNED FOR RESILIENCE.
[3:15:46] THINGS WERE NOT DESTROYED. THING WERE NOT TORN APART.
[3:15:48] IF YOU LOOK ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE, WHICH I WOULD SAY IS 200
[3:15:52] YARDS NORTH OF THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT, YOU CAN SEE AN AREA
[3:15:55] NOT DESIGNED FOR RESILIENCE. THIS TAUGHT US THAT WE CAN --
[3:15:59] AND NEED TO DOUBLE DOWN ON OUR FOCUS ON RESILIENCY, WHICH IS
[3:16:02] WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN PHASE TWO AND HOPE TO DO IN PHASE THREE.
[3:16:06] AG. >> IF YOU THINK BACK TO THE
[3:16:10] BLACK-AND-WHITE PHOTO THAT WE SHOWED EARLIER, THIS PICTURE
[3:16:16] PROBABLY MAKES SENSE. THE SITE IS A CHALLENGING ONE.
[3:16:20] WITH SIX FEET OF STORM SURGE, EVERYTHING BLUE WOULD BE
[3:16:25] UNDERWATER. OBVIOUSLY, THE SAFEST PART OF
[3:16:28] THE SITE IS UP AGAINST NORTH TAMIAMI TRAIL TO THE EAST.
[3:16:34] FORTUNATELY, VAN WEZEL PERFORMING ART HALL IS A BIT
[3:16:37] ABOVE SIX, BUT THAT DIDN'T PROTECT US FROM HELENE AND FROM
[3:16:41] MILTON, BECAUSE THE STORM SURGE AND WAVE ACTION WAS AT 8.5 FEET.
[3:16:47] THIS REMINDED ME THAT FROM THE BEGINNING, FROM THE TIME WE DID
[3:16:50] THE ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN, WE LOOKED AT THE EXISTING
[3:16:54] ELEVATIONS, WHICH ARE IN PA LEN THEY SEES -- PARENTHESES AND
[3:16:59] PLAN FOR MORE RESILIENCY BY BUILDING ELEVATION WHEREVER WE
[3:17:01] COULD. IF YOU LOOK AT THE CENTER OF THE
[3:17:05] PARK, WHERE THE CURRENT ELEVATION AND THE PARKING LOT
[3:17:08] ADJACENT TO THE VAN WEZEL IS SIX FEET ABOVE BAY LEVEL, WE PLANNED
[3:17:14] FOR 18. THIS IS OUR PLAN TODAY.
[3:17:18] ELEVATION MATTERS. IT IS THE FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE
[3:17:25] AGAINST STORM SURGE, SEA LEVEL RISE.
[3:17:26] LET ME TAKE YOU THROUGH THE PHASE TWO UPDATE.
[3:17:29] I DON'T KNOW. HAVE ANY OF YOU BEEN OVER TO THE
[3:17:30] PARK IN THE LAST FEW DAYS? WE ACTUALLY OPENED THE PROMENADE
[3:17:35] AND THE CULTURAL DISTRICT ON THE FRONT SIDE.
[3:17:37] PHASE TWO HAD -- HAS FOUR ACTIVE PROJECTS.
[3:17:40] THEY ARE ALL DESIGNED TO IMPROVE RESILIENCE.
[3:17:43] THEY ALL IMPROVE STORMWATER AND WATER QUALITY AND THEY ADD
[3:17:48] ADDITIONAL GREENSPACE. THE RESILIENT SHORELINE IS
[3:17:53] OUTLINED ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE, ALONG SARASOTA BAY, TWO PIECES,
[3:17:56] ONE PIECE SOUTH OF THE BOAT BASIN, ONE PIECE TO THE NORTH.
[3:17:59] THE CANAL DISTRICT OR BOAT BASIN DISTRICT IS THE REPAIR OF THE
[3:18:04] SEAWALL ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THE ADDITION OF NEW FLOATING DAY
[3:18:07] DOCKS AFTER WE DREDGED THE BOAT BASIN AS WE DID THE BAYOU.
[3:18:12] THE CULTURAL DISTRICT IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PARK.
[3:18:14] OUR NEW FRONT DOOR TO THE PARK. THAT PROMENADE IS OPEN AND HAS
[3:18:18] BEEN OPEN FOR THE PAST WEEK. THE CHIDSEY IS ABOUT TO OPEN.
[3:18:23] IF YOU COME TO THE RIBBON CUTTING AND CELEBRATION OF THE
[3:18:30] STATE OF THE PARK, WE'LL HAVE A TOUR OF THE CHIDSEY AND RIBBON
[3:18:35] CUTTING FOR THE PROMENADE. LAST BUT NOT LEAST, AND THIS IS
[3:18:39] IMPORTANT, JUST AS WE REHABILITATE, RENOVATE, AND
[3:18:44] REPURPOSE THE PARK, WE'RE DOING THE SAME WITH ARCHITECTURALLY
[3:18:49] AND HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT BUILDINGS THAT WERE ENTRUSTED TO
[3:18:51] US AS PART OF THE PARK. SO FAR, KNOCK ON WOOD, TWO AND A
[3:19:00] HALF YEARS IN WE'RE STILL ON PLAN, STILL ON BUDGET, AND WE'RE
[3:19:04] STILL ON SCHEDULE. WE TAKE A GREAT DEAL OF PRIDE IN
[3:19:09] THE ON-BUDGET PIECE DESPITE THESE PROJECTS BEING APPROVED IN
[3:19:12] THE FALL OF '22, WE'RE THREE YEARS LATER, WE HAVEN'T YIELDED
[3:19:17] TO ESCALATION OR INFLATION. WE FIND WAYS TO MANAGE SCOPE.
[3:19:21] WE FIND WAYS TO MANAGE PLAN, WE FIND WAYS TO VALUE ENGINEER SO
[3:19:26] WE CAN DELIVER EVERYTHING THAT WE COMMIT TO AT A VERY GOOD
[3:19:31] VALUE. THESE PHOTOS WERE TAKEN VERY
[3:19:34] RECENTLY. IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN DOWN TO THE
[3:19:37] BOAT BASIN, THE NEW SEAWALL IS MOSTLY DONE ON THE LEFT AND THE
[3:19:41] FLOATING DAY DOCKS ARE IN PLACE. AND THEY WILL BE OPEN IN
[3:19:45] NOVEMBER. I MENTIONED THE PROMENADE.
[3:19:48] THIS IS THE NEW PROMENADE. IT'S ABOUT A THOUSAND FEET
[3:19:52] STRETCHING FROM NORTH OF THE MUNICIPAL AUDITORIUM SOUTH PAST
[3:19:55] THE BLUE PAGODA TO THE CORNER OF BOULEVARD OF THE ARTS AND NORTH
[3:20:02] TAMIAMI TRAIL. THIS IS AN ARTIST REPRESENTATION
[3:20:07] OF THE SECOND PHASE OF THE CULTURAL DISTRICT, SO WE'RE
[3:20:10] GOING TO DO A TOWN SQUARE BETWEEN THE MUNICIPAL AUDITORIUM
[3:20:13] AND THE ARTS CENTER, HOLLEY HALL ON THE WEST SIDE AND A
[3:20:19] CONNECTION TO THE EXISTING PARK THAT WILL BEGIN NEXT SPRING AND
[3:20:23] BE COMPLETED NEXT FALL. AS PART OF THAT, WE WILL HAVE
[3:20:31] COMPLETED THE GARDEN CLUB ON THE RIGHT.
[3:20:34] WE'LL BE WORKING ON THE BLUE PAGODA AND HOPEFULLY HAVE SOME
[3:20:37] MINOR RENOVATIONS THERE. YOU'LL BE HAPPY TO KNOW THAT THE
[3:20:40] RESTROOMS WILL BE UPGRADED TO PARK STANDARDS.
[3:20:42] WE'RE DOING THE BAYFRONT COMMUNITY CENTER RIGHT NOW ON
[3:20:47] THE WEST SIDE OF THE MUNICIPAL AUDITORIUM AND THEN WE'LL TURN
[3:20:49] OUR ATTENTION TO THE REST OF THAT BUILDING.
[3:20:53] THIS IS AN ARTIST REPRESENTATION OF THE RESILIENT SHORELINE WHICH
[3:20:59] THE CITY WILL BE BIDDING THIS PROJECT BEFORE THE END OF THE
[3:21:01] YEAR. IT SHOULD BE IN CONSTRUCTION
[3:21:04] NEXT YEAR AND WE HOPE TO HAVE IT COMPLETED BY THE END OF NEXT
[3:21:08] CALENDAR. TURNING TO PHASE THREE, WHILE WE
[3:21:11] CONSTRUCT PHASE TWO, WE'VE BEGUN THE DESIGN AND PLANNING OF THE
[3:21:17] NEXT PHASE. WE WORK FROM AN EVOLVING AND
[3:21:23] WORKING MASTER PLAN. AS JENNY SAID EARLIER, WE START
[3:21:26] WITH THE LAND AND THE WATER. WE PLAN FOR RESILIENCY.
[3:21:29] WE PLAN FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND WATER QUALITY,
[3:21:33] AND THEN AND ONLY THEN BASED ON COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND FEEDBACK
[3:21:38] FROM CURRENT SITE USERS, WE BEGIN TO LAY IN THE DESIGN AND
[3:21:42] PLAN FOR THE ACTUAL USE OF NEW PARK SPACE.
[3:21:46] WE ALSO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE EVOLVING NEEDS OF VAN WEZEL
[3:21:50] PERFORMING ARTS HALL AND THE FUTURE SARASOTA PERFORMING ARTS
[3:21:53] CENTER. WE WORK CLOSELY WITH BOTH OF
[3:22:01] THOSE TEAMS. PHASE 3A, WHICH I'LL TALK ABOUT
[3:22:05] FIRST IS ESSENTIALLY CENTENNIAL PARK.
[3:22:07] CENTENNIAL PARK IS THE NORTHERNMOST 11 ACRES.
[3:22:11] IT IS A PARK MANAGED BY THE CITY.
[3:22:14] IT IS THE ONLY PARK I BELIEVE OR ONE OF THE ONLY PARKS I BELIEVE
[3:22:17] IN THE CITY THAT IS OPEN 24 HOURS A DAY, 7 DAYS A WEEK TO
[3:22:22] ACCOMMODATE THE BOATING AND FISHING COMMUNITIES.
[3:22:25] AS YOU'LL SEE IN A MINUTE, WE FOCUS ON ALL OF THE KEY
[3:22:30] COMPONENTS AS WE DO THAT IMPROVEMENT.
[3:22:33] PHASE 3B IS THE CENTER OF THE PARK, AND WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO
[3:22:39] DESIGN AND PLAN FOR THAT CENTER. IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PIECE,
[3:22:43] OBVIOUSLY, OF THE TOTAL PARK. THE RECOMMENDATION TODAY IS TO
[3:22:51] INVEST $20 MILLION, $16 MILLION FOR DESIGN, DEVELOPMENT, AND
[3:22:55] CONSTRUCTION OF CENTENNIAL PARK IMPROVEMENTS, AND $4 MILLION TO
[3:23:02] CONTINUE DESIGN AND PLANNING OF THE CENTER OF THE PARK.
[3:23:06] WE, OF COURSE, CONTINUE TO LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY.
[3:23:08] WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME WITH THE BOATING COMMUNITY.
[3:23:11] I WON'T BORE YOU WITH ALL THE DETAILS, BUT THERE IS NOT ONE
[3:23:15] BOATING COMMUNITY. IF YOU CHATTED WITH THEM,
[3:23:18] THERE'S NOT ONE RECREATIONAL BOATING COMMUNITY AND NOT ONE
[3:23:20] COMMERCIAL BOATING COMMUNITY. SO YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO ALL THE
[3:23:24] GROUPS AND SOMETIMES ALL OF THE INDIVIDUALS TO UNDERSTAND THE
[3:23:29] NEEDS. WE ALSO CONTINUOUSLY TALK TO
[3:23:30] SITE AND PARK USERS. WE MEET WITH OUR COMMUNITY AND
[3:23:33] NEIGHBORHOOD WORKING GROUP, OUR CITY PARTNERS.
[3:23:35] AND WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON RESILIENCY, STORMWATER, AND
[3:23:39] WATER QUALITY WITH EXPERTS IN THOSE AREAS.
[3:23:42] SO WHAT'S IMPORTANT ABOUT PHASE 3A?
[3:23:46] CENTENNIAL PARK. IT'S WHAT WE LEFT OUT.
[3:23:49] WE LEFT OUT THE FUTURE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER.
[3:23:52] WE MOVED TO PLANNED RESTAURANTS FROM NORTH OF THE BOAT BASIN TO
[3:23:57] SOUTH, TO THE CENTER OF THE PARK.
[3:24:00] WE TOOK AWAY P THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE BECAUSE WITHOUT THE
[3:24:03] RESTAURANTS IT WAS A BRIDGE TO NOWHERE.
[3:24:06] WE TOOK OUT THE OVERLOOK BY THE MOUTH OF HOG CREEK.
[3:24:10] WE TOOK OUT ALL THE OVERLOOKS BECAUSE THEY GOT SMASHED AND
[3:24:14] TRASHED BY STORM SURGE AND WE FOCUSED ON THE ESSENTIALS.
[3:24:18] FIRST SET OF ESSENTIALS, EVERYTHING WE NEEDED TO DO TO
[3:24:22] IMPROVE RESILIENCY, RESTORE AS MUCH OF THE GREEN AND BLUE
[3:24:24] ENVIRONMENT AS WE POSSIBLY COULD, INSTALL ALL THE
[3:24:29] STORMWATER WE NEEDED TO TREAT EVERY DROP OF WATER THAT COMES
[3:24:32] THROUGH THE 11 ACRES OF THE SITE.
[3:24:34] THE NEXT PIECE WAS TO DRAMATICALLY IMPROVE THE
[3:24:38] INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE EXPERIENCE FOR THE BOATING
[3:24:40] COMMUNITY, WHO ARE THE PRINCIPAL USERS OF THE PARK.
[3:24:44] SO WE'LL REHABILITATE THE NORTH AND EAST SEAWALLS JUST AS WE DID
[3:24:47] THE SOUTH SEAWALL. WE'LL INCREASE THE BOAT LAUNCH
[3:24:51] CAPACITY, ADD A LAUNCH LANE, ADD TWO LANES, AN ADDITIONAL LAUNCH
[3:24:56] BAY. INCREASE BOAT TRAILER PARKING
[3:25:00] CAPACITY BY 50%. REHABILITATE THE RESTROOMS TO
[3:25:04] PARK STANDARDS, AND INSTALL FLOATING DAY DOCKS TO THE EAST
[3:25:07] TO GO WITH THE FIXED STAGE DAY DOCKS WHICH THE CITY JUST
[3:25:12] REPAIRED AND IMPROVED TO THE WEST.
[3:25:17] PHASE 3B, PHASE 3B IS ALSO BUILT ON THIS KIND OF LAYER CAKE
[3:25:25] STANDARD. WE STARTED WITH RESILIENCE.
[3:25:27] SO WE WILL BUILD TO TEN FEET ABOVE BAY LEVEL ON THE EAST EDGE
[3:25:33] OF THE RESILIENT SHORELINE, TO 20 FEET ABOVE BAY LEVEL IN THE
[3:25:38] CENTER OF THE PARK. WE WILL INSTALL BELOW GROUND, AT
[3:25:40] GROUND AND ABOVEGROUND ALL THE ELEMENTS WE NEED NATURAL AND
[3:25:45] ENGINEERED FOR STORMWATER TREATMENT AND BEGIN TO TREAT ALL
[3:25:48] THE POLLUTED STORMWATER AND RUNOFF THAT GOES THROUGH THE
[3:25:51] CENTER OF THE SITE. WE WILL INSTALL BUILD DESIGN AND
[3:25:57] BUILD A PLAY AREA, WATER FEATURES, NEW RESTAURANTS, AND,
[3:26:01] MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE'LL PUT IN A REAL GARAGE THAT WILL CONSIST OF
[3:26:07] GARAGE ON THE VAN WEZEL AND PARKING UNDER PARK IN THE CENTER
[3:26:10] OF THE PARK. I JUST -- WE PUT THIS SLIDE IN
[3:26:16] FOR YOUR PERSPECTIVE TO GIVE YOU SOME IDEA OF HOW WE WORK FROM
[3:26:21] BAY LEVEL TO THE RESILIENT SHORELINE AT 9.5 FEET TO THE
[3:26:25] PARK RESTAURANTS AT 22 FEET TO THE TOP OF THE PARKING LEVEL AT
[3:26:30] 29 FEET. THE MUNICIPAL AUDITORIUM IS AT
[3:26:32] 55 FEET. A FEW QUICK VIEWS OF WHAT THE
[3:26:36] CENTER OF THE PARK MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
[3:26:40] THERE WILL BE PLAY AREAS, SUGGESTIONS ON THE RIGHT.
[3:26:45] THE PARK WILL TERRACE UP FROM SARASOTA BAY, SO THE PLAY AREAS
[3:26:49] CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE TERRACING AND THE PLAY SCAPE AS
[3:26:54] CAN THE WATER FEATURES. AND THESE ARE JUST SOME
[3:26:56] EXAMPLES. YOU TURN STORMWATER TREATMENT
[3:26:58] INTO PLAY, IT IS A TWOFER. FUNDING, I'M GOING TO TURN TO
[3:27:05] CITY MANAGER BULLOCK FOR THE CITY'S RECOMMENDATION ON
[3:27:10] FUNDING, WHICH WE CONCUR WITH. >>Dave Bullock: AG, YOU SAID YOU
[3:27:14] WERE GOING TO FUND THE ENTIRE THING.
[3:27:16] >> I DID. BUT, DAVE, THAT WAS FRIDAY.
[3:27:18] [ LAUGHTER ] TODAY IS MONDAY.
[3:27:21] >>Dave Bullock: WHAT THE BAY PARK HAS ASKED FOR AND WHAT WAS
[3:27:24] PRESENTED AT THE BAY PARK IMPROVEMENT BOARD WAS
[3:27:28] ESSENTIALLY IN TOTAL A $20 MILLION REQUEST WITH REALLY A
[3:27:34] MILLION DOLLAR NEED IN THE NEXT, LET'S SAY, FIVE TO SIX MONTHS.
[3:27:41] SO IN CONSULTATION WITH THE COUNTY STAFF, IF THE COUNTY
[3:27:47] COMMISSION AGREES WITH THAT REQUEST, WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY IN
[3:27:51] OUR, LET'S CALL IT, OUR JOINT CHECKING ACCOUNT, THAT WE COULD
[3:27:56] ACCOMMODATE THE MILLION DOLLARS AND AG CAN INVOICE AGAINST THAT.
[3:28:01] FOR THE BALANCE OF IT, WE WOULD NEED TO DO FINANCING.
[3:28:03] THE OTHER REASON WHY WE REALLY -- WHY AT LEAST I WANT TO JUST
[3:28:11] LET A FEW MONTHS GO BY, THERE'S SOME PRETTY COMPLEX PERMITTING
[3:28:15] THAT HAS TO TAKE PLACE FOR SOME OF THIS.
[3:28:18] AND PROBABLY THE POTENTIAL FOR DELAY IS MORE IN PERMITTING THAN
[3:28:21] IT WILL BE IN CONSTRUCTION. THAT'S OFTEN THE CASE.
[3:28:25] IT TAKES LONGER TO DESIGN AND PERMIT AN IMPROVEMENT THAN IT
[3:28:28] DOES TO BUILD IT. THAT WILL GIVE US -- WE'LL GET A
[3:28:32] BEAT ON WHEN WE CAN REASONABLY EXPECT THE PERMITTING TO COME IN
[3:28:35] BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO FINANCE TOO EARLY AND THEN GET A YEAR
[3:28:38] AND A HALF DELAY ON PERMITTING AND RUN INTO SPEND-DOWN
[3:28:41] REQUIREMENTS. WE THINK WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THE
[3:28:46] MILLION DOLLARS IF THE COMMISSION CONCURS.
[3:28:48] THIS IS ALL CONTINGENT ON THE COUNTY ALSO APPROVING THE SAME
[3:28:54] PLAN. AND THEN BEYOND THAT WE WOULD
[3:28:55] LOOK TO ISSUE DEBT SOMETIME IN 2026.
[3:29:01] WHICH WOULD CARRY THE PROJECT THROUGH THIS PHASE WHICH TOTALS,
[3:29:05] IN TOTAL, $20 MILLION. >> THE ONE MILLION IS SIMPLY
[3:29:09] DESIGN AND PLANNING MONEY FOR THE NEXT THREE TO SIX MONTHS.
[3:29:15] THE PERMITTING THAT CITY MANAGER REFERRED TO, TWO PRINCIPAL
[3:29:20] PERMITS, U.S. ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS AND S.W.F.W.M.D.
[3:29:24] WE BELIEVE WE CAN HAVE 60% PLANS DONE FOR CENTENNIAL PARK PROJECT
[3:29:29] BY, SAY, THE END OF JANUARY. WE'RE BEING TOLD BECAUSE IT'S
[3:29:34] REPAIRS TO THE SEAWALL THAT THE U.S. ARMY CORPS PERMITS COULD
[3:29:38] COME AS QUICKLY AS FOUR TO SIX MONTHS, BUT WE'VE COMMITTED TO
[3:29:41] THE CITY THAT WE'LL GIVE THEM A DETAILED TIMELINE OF PLANNING,
[3:29:48] PERMITTING, START OF CONSTRUCTION, AND CITY MANAGER
[3:29:53] IS RIGHT. LION'S SHARE OF THE CONSTRUCTION
[3:29:55] WOULD OCCUR IN THE SECOND HALF OR LAST QUARTER OF 2026 AND
[3:30:00] 2027. WE DON'T WANT TO BOND, WE DON'T
[3:30:02] WANT TO FINANCE TOO EARLY, BORROW THE MONEY BEFORE WE NEED
[3:30:04] IT. IN CLOSING, AS WE MOVE FORWARD
[3:30:09] AND WORK EVEN CLOSER WITH OUR PARTNERS AT THE CITY, NIK WAS UP
[3:30:14] HERE, I DON'T KNOW IF JERRY WAS HERE TODAY, BUT WE WORK CLOSELY
[3:30:18] WITH PARKS AND REC. JENNIFER JORGENSEN AND HER TEAM
[3:30:22] IN PURCHASING, BUT THESE ARE THE CONSIDERATIONS WE'RE PAYING A
[3:30:25] LOT OF ATTENTION TO IN THE WEEKS AND MONTHS AHEAD AS WE PLAN AND
[3:30:29] WORK TOGETHER. BECAUSE AS WE MOVE INTO THE
[3:30:31] MIDDLE OF THE PARK, WE'LL HAVE TO COORDINATE AND COLLABORATE AT
[3:30:35] EVEN HIGHER LEVELS THAN WE HAVE SO FAR.
[3:30:39] FIRST AND FOREMOST IS HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE DELIVER ON THE
[3:30:44] RESILIENCY STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND WATER QUALITY THAT SERVES
[3:30:48] THE ENTIRE PARK. SECOND IS, YOU SAW IN THE USE,
[3:30:52] THIS IS A SURPRISING PARK OF 50 ACRES FROM A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT
[3:30:57] USES AND THE COMBINATION OF USES.
[3:30:58] IF YOU LOOK ACROSS AMERICA, THERE AREN'T MANY PARKS THAT
[3:31:01] HAVE A PUBLIC BOAT LAUNCH, HAVE A GARDEN CLUB, HAVE AN ART
[3:31:05] CENTER, HAVE A MUNICIPAL AUDITORIUM HOLLEY HALL, VAN
[3:31:08] WEZEL AND ARE CONTEMPLATING A NEW PERFORMING ARTS CENTER.
[3:31:12] SO IT ALL FITS, BUT WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THAT
[3:31:15] IT FITS WELL, IT FITS IN A RESILIENT WAY AND FITS IN A WAY
[3:31:20] THAT WORKS FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT USERS.
[3:31:26] SO ASSUMING WE GET AN APPROVAL WITH THE COUNTY TOMORROW, I'LL
[3:31:32] BE MEETING WITH TONYA AND HER TEAM ON WEDNESDAY TO BEGIN TO
[3:31:35] TALK ABOUT THIS. HOW DO WE WORK TOGETHER AND
[3:31:38] AGAIN, CITY MANAGER BULLOCK JUST ENCOURAGED US TO TAKE OUR LEVELS
[3:31:42] OF COMMUNICATION, COLLABORATION, AND COORDINATION TO EVEN HIGHER
[3:31:47] LEVELS AND WE'RE COMMITTED TO DO THAT.
[3:31:48] THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION. AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT.
[3:31:54] I'LL GET IN TROUBLE IF I DON'T SHOW THE LAST SLIDE.
[3:31:58] THIS FRIDAY IS THE STATE OF THE PARK EVENT.
[3:32:01] I KNOW MANY OF YOU ARE COMING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING
[3:32:06] AND PARTICIPATING. THERE'S STILL TIME TO COME TO
[3:32:09] TASTE OF THE BAY THIS WEEKEND ON SUNDAY.
[3:32:11] AND THEN WE CLOSE STRONG WITH TWO DAYS OF MUSIC ON NOVEMBER
[3:32:14] THE 1st AND NOVEMBER THE 2nd.
[3:32:18] THAT'S ALL WE'VE GOT. >>Mayor Alpert: ALL RIGHT.
[3:32:21] THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP
[3:32:25] TO SPEAK, I TAKE IT. COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS?
[3:32:28] COMMISSIONER OHLRICH. >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: THANK
[3:32:31] YOU. I HAVE A FEW DETAILED QUESTIONS
[3:32:37] BUT THEN A COUPLE OF BIG-PICTURE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MONEY.
[3:32:42] YOU SAID THERE WERE FOUR BUILDINGS ON THE NATIONAL
[3:32:44] REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES. WHO MADE THOSE APPLICATIONS?
[3:32:50] >> OH, MY GOODNESS, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND PULL THEM UP
[3:32:55] INDIVIDUALLY. SEVERAL WERE MADE BY THE CITY.
[3:32:57] THEY HAVE BEEN ON THE NATIONAL HISTORIC REGISTER FOR DECADES.
[3:33:03] I BELIEVE THE FIRST ONE THAT WENT ON WAS THE MUNICIPAL
[3:33:06] AUDITORIUM. AND THEN INDEPENDENTLY --
[3:33:07] >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: IT WASN'T PART OF THIS PROJECT.
[3:33:09] >> NO, IT WASN'T PART OF THIS EFFORT.
[3:33:11] >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: I APPRECIATE, I WAS GOING TO SAY
[3:33:16] RESPECTFUL DISCUSSIONS YOU'VE HAD WITH THE 40 TO 60,000
[3:33:19] BOATERS. I IMAGINE THAT IT WAS --
[3:33:24] >> NOT SURE WE SAW ALL 40,000 BUT WE SAW A REPRESENTATIVE
[3:33:29] GROUP. >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: WHAT IS
[3:33:34] A STORMWATER TREATMENT TRAIN. >> A STORMWATER TREATMENT TRAIN
[3:33:39] IS THE COMBINATION OF UNDERGROUND CATCHMENTS, SO THINK
[3:33:45] OF ENGINEERED PIECES AND PARTS, IN THE CURRENT PARK.
[3:33:48] WE HAVE BAFFLE BOXES, BEGINNING OF THE TRAIN.
[3:33:53] WE HAVE DENITRIFICATION TRENCHES UNDER THE WALKWAYS.
[3:33:57] WE HAVE CATCHMENT AREAS WHICH CAPTURE WATER THAT'S RUNNING
[3:34:00] FROM EAST TO WEST. ALL THE WATER COMES FROM THE
[3:34:05] EAST, HIGHER GROUND, AND HEADS TO THE WEST, EXCEPT FOR STORM
[3:34:09] SURGES. BUT THE NORMAL RUNOFF.
[3:34:13] YOU WANT TO DO AS MUCH REMOVAL OF THE PHOSPHOROUS AND NITROGEN
[3:34:18] AND ANY HEAVY METALS IF THEY EXIST IN THAT CATCHMENT.
[3:34:23] THEN IT MOVES THROUGH SORT OF THE GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE
[3:34:26] TRAIN, WHICH IS ALL THESE TREES, ALL THIS LANDSCAPING, ALL THESE
[3:34:31] LAWNS. THEY ACTUALLY ALSO HELP FILTER
[3:34:36] THE THINGS YOU DON'T WANT TO GO INTO SARASOTA BAY.
[3:34:38] AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WE USE DRY PONDS AND WET PONDS AND
[3:34:44] THE FANCY NAME IS RAIN GARDENS, BUT THEY ARE REALLY POND AREAS
[3:34:49] THAT CAPTURE WATER AND ALLOW IT TO SLOWLY FILTER THROUGH THE
[3:34:56] LAST -- >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: SO A
[3:34:57] VARIETY OF SOURCES HOOKED TOGETHER TO TREAT THE STORMWATER
[3:35:00] BEFORE IT GOES INTO THE BAY. GOTCHA.
[3:35:04] >> WE HAVE SEVERAL SHOTS AT REMOVING THE NITROGEN.
[3:35:09] >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: OKAY. YOU TALKED ABOUT A PARK OVER A
[3:35:13] PARK. PARK OVER PARK.
[3:35:17] >> PARK OVER PARKING. >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: SOME
[3:35:20] TIME AGO, THE CITY COMMISSION DIRECTED THE CITY MANAGER TO --
[3:35:24] AND THESE ARE MY WORDS TODAY -- TO COME BACK TO THE CITY
[3:35:29] COMMISSION WITH A PARKING PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE AREA, INCLUDING
[3:35:33] THE ROSEMARY DISTRICT. IS THIS THAT RETURN?
[3:35:40] >> ONE PIECE IN THE PUZZLE. >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: DOES
[3:35:43] THAT MEAN THERE WILL BE NO OTHER PARKING REQUIRED WITHIN THE
[3:35:46] ROSEMARY DISTRICT? >> NO.
[3:35:49] OKAY. >>Dave Bullock: IF I MIGHT, WE
[3:35:53] HAVE COMMISSIONED A PARKING ANALYSIS SPECIFICALLY FOR
[3:35:57] ROSEMARY. THE QUESTION IS, DO WE WANT TO
[3:36:01] TRY TO WORK WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY TO INCLUDE SOME
[3:36:04] PARKING THERE? MY FIRST QUESTION IS, WHAT IS
[3:36:06] THE DEMAND NOW AND IN THE FUTURE?
[3:36:09] SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ASCERTAIN, AND THAT SHOULD BE
[3:36:13] READY, SUPPOSED TO BE READY BY THE END OF THIS MONTH.
[3:36:16] NEXT WEEK OR SO. THIS IS A PIECE.
[3:36:19] >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: PARKING OVER PARK WILL FIT INTO THAT
[3:36:22] ANALYSIS. OKAY.
[3:36:23] THANK YOU. THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION.
[3:36:28] ONE MILLION IS CONTINGENT UPON THE BOARD OF COUNTY
[3:36:33] COMMISSIONERS CONCURRENCE WITH WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING HERE
[3:36:37] TODAY. THAT'S TOMORROW THAT YOU'RE
[3:36:38] MEETING WITH THEM. DO YOU WANT TO TALK TO US AT ALL
[3:36:42] ABOUT ANY CONVERSATIONS YOU'VE HAD WITH THEM?
[3:36:47] >> WELL, RECALL ON THE BAY PARK IMPROVEMENT BOARD THERE ARE TWO
[3:36:52] COLLEAGUES, TWO COMMISSIONERS FROM THE COUNTY COMMISSION.
[3:36:55] COMMISSION CUTSINGER AND COMMISSIONER SMITH, BOTH OF WHOM
[3:37:00] VOTED FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS PLAN.
[3:37:03] AND STEVE BOTELHO, THE DEPUTY COUNTY COMMISSIONER AND ALSO
[3:37:06] ESSENTIALLY THE CFO, YEAH, DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND
[3:37:11] ESSENTIALLY THE FINANCIAL MANAGER OR CFO WITH THE COUNTY,
[3:37:14] SERVES ON THE BOARD, AND HE'S VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROGRAM.
[3:37:19] WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL WE HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNTY
[3:37:24] COMMISSIONERS, BUT AS CITY MANAGER BULLOCK SAID, ALL WE'RE
[3:37:27] ASKING THEM TO DO IS TAKE ONE MILLION DOLLARS OF SIX TO SEVEN
[3:37:34] MILLION DOLLARS. THEY ALREADY CODEPOSITED AS PART
[3:37:38] OF THE FIRST SEVERAL YEARS OF TIF INCREMENTS INTO THE TIF
[3:37:44] TRUST FUND AND INVEST ESSENTIALLY THEIR SHARE OF
[3:37:47] 500,000 WITH THE CITY'S SHARE OF 500,000 TO BRIDGE THE DESIGN AND
[3:37:53] PLANNING. AND THEN ONCE THE FINANCING IS
[3:37:55] DONE AND THE FUNDING IS DONE, THE RESPONSIBILITY, I BELIEVE,
[3:37:59] CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WOULD BE THEIR SHARE OF THE DEBT
[3:38:02] SERVICE. IN A WAY, IT IS A WIN-WIN FOR
[3:38:07] THEM. >>Dave Bullock: PRINCIPAL AND
[3:38:09] INTEREST. >> YEAH.
[3:38:09] EVENTUALLY THEY HAVE TO PAY THE PRINCIPAL.
[3:38:13] BUT, BUT THE TIF REVENUES BUILD IN THE 5 TO 10 TO 15 YEARS
[3:38:23] AHEAD, SO THEY WILL BE PAYING THE DEBT SERVICE NOW AND FOR THE
[3:38:26] NEXT FEW YEARS THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY THE PRINCIPAL OFF UNTIL
[3:38:30] THERE ARE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE FUNDS AVAILABLE.
[3:38:33] >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: GOT IT. SO AFTER THAT IS WHEN WE ISSUE
[3:38:37] DEBT, RIGHT? EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THAT FITS WITH
[3:38:43] THE TIF? THAT IS THE TIF?
[3:38:46] >>Dave Bullock: YES. LET'S CLARIFY.
[3:38:48] LET'S CALL IT A LITTLE PREPAYMENT WHERE IF THE COUNTY
[3:38:54] COMMISSION GOES ALONG, WE MAKE ROUGHLY A MILLION DOLLARS
[3:38:57] AVAILABLE FOR THE BAY PARK CONSERVANCY TO BILL AGAINST,
[3:39:02] BECAUSE THEY SENT US A BILL FOR WORK AND WE PAY THAT.
[3:39:07] THEN THE BIGGER CONCERN, WHICH I THINK WE WANT TO GET A CLEAR
[3:39:12] INDICATION FROM THE COMMISSION TODAY IS TO FINANCE PHASE THREE,
[3:39:19] IF I'M SAYING IT CORRECTLY, YOU'RE NOT COMMITTING TO IT, BUT
[3:39:23] YOU'RE SAYING, YES, YOU'RE WILLING TO, WHEN IT COMES BACK
[3:39:28] TO YOU, RESERVING ALL YOUR RIGHTS, YOU'RE STILL WILLING TO
[3:39:33] FINANCE THE CITY'S PART OF THAT. THAT WOULD BE AN IMPORTANT
[3:39:36] STATEMENT FOR THE CITY TO MAKE SO THAT AG AND COUNTY STAFF CAN
[3:39:42] SAY, YES, THE CITY HAS EXPRESSED ITS WILLINGNESS TO FINANCE THE
[3:39:48] TOTAL $20 MILLION FOR PHASE THREE AT A FUTURE TIME NEXT
[3:39:50] YEAR. SO THEN NOW THE COUNTY KNOWS
[3:39:54] WE'RE IN FOR OUR HALF OF ALL OF PHASE THREE.
[3:39:59] AND THEN THE ASK THAT HE WILL MAKE TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION IS
[3:40:02] FOR THEM TO BE IN FOR THEIR HALF.
[3:40:06] AND -- >> VIA THE TIF.
[3:40:09] >>Dave Bullock: THANK YOU. THE WAY THIS WHOLE THING WORKS,
[3:40:11] AS IT WAS ENVISIONED FROM THE BEGINNING, THE TAX INCREMENT
[3:40:15] THAT IS COLLECTED ANNUALLY AND DEPOSITED EITHER IN THE TIF FUND
[3:40:19] FOR THE PART OF THE CITY OR HELD BY THE COUNTY BUT THEY PAY THEIR
[3:40:23] HALF OF THE PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST TO THE CITY, AND THE
[3:40:26] WAY THE FINANCING WORKS IS THE CITY ISSUES ALL DEBT AND THE
[3:40:31] COUNTY PAYS HALF OF THE PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST EACH
[3:40:33] YEAR. IT'S ALL UNDER THE TAX INCREMENT
[3:40:38] FINANCING APPROACH THAT THE CITY AND THE COUNTY STARTED BACK IN
[3:40:43] 2019, I THINK, IS WHEN IT FIRST STARTED.
[3:40:46] >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: THANK YOU.
[3:40:47] THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. >>Mayor Alpert: ALL RIGHT.
[3:40:49] THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER AHEARN-KOCH.
[3:40:53] >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: THANK YOU. WELL, I WANTED TO SAY THAT AS
[3:40:59] YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS SINCE THE BAYFRONT 2020
[3:41:02] VERY, VERY, VERY BEGINNING, AND HAVE BEEN PRETTY OUTSPOKEN ABOUT
[3:41:08] EVERYTHING THE BAY. AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT I REALLY
[3:41:12] WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH MS. BROWN FROM CCNA AND
[3:41:18] HELPING TO GET THE VOICE OF THE BOATERS, AND THERE ARE SO MANY
[3:41:23] DIFFERENT KINDS AND SO MANY DIFFERENT SHAPES AND SO MANY
[3:41:26] DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. AND TO GET THAT VOICE HEARD AND
[3:41:33] NOTED AND RECOGNIZED IS INVALUABLE.
[3:41:37] SO I REALLY THANK YOU FOR THAT BECAUSE THAT IS A HERCULEAN
[3:41:40] EFFORT. AND THANK YOU TO MS. BROWN AS
[3:41:42] WELL FROM CCNA. SO THANK YOU.
[3:41:45] THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT WAS THE RESILIENCY
[3:41:52] FACTOR OF THE PARK. PHENOMENAL JOB.
[3:41:58] YES, THERE WAS DAMAGE, BUT FROM SOME OF THE DAMAGE THAT WE'VE
[3:42:01] SEEN THROUGHOUT THE CITY THROUGH OUR OWN PARKS, OUR OTHER PARKS,
[3:42:07] UNFORTUNATELY, DAMAGE WAS SIGNIFICANT, AND SIGNIFICANTLY
[3:42:10] MORE DIFFICULT TO REPAIR AND TO GET BACK OPEN AGAIN.
[3:42:13] AND WHAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE FOR THE COMMUNITY IS LAUDABLE
[3:42:18] BECAUSE OF THAT EXTRA EFFORT IN KEEPING THE COMMUNITY'S VOICE
[3:42:22] INVOLVED, MAKING SURE YOU'RE DOING BEST PRACTICES, AND DOING
[3:42:25] EXACTLY WHAT YOU SET OUT TO DO. SO I REALLY WANT TO THANK YOU
[3:42:31] FOR THAT AS WELL. AND THE EFFORT THAT YOU'VE TAKEN
[3:42:41] TOWARDS THE SHIFTING OF THE DESIGN OF THE PARK HAS ALSO BEEN
[3:42:48] COMMENDABLE BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO DESIGN SOMETHING THAT HAS MOVING
[3:42:50] PIECES. AND THAT IS ANOTHER EFFORT THAT
[3:42:55] HAS TO BE NOTED AND I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR THAT AS WELL.
[3:43:02] I ALSO APPRECIATE THE AMOUNT BEING BORROWED OR BEING USED,
[3:43:07] THE MILLION DOLLARS REQUESTED BEING USED AND WAITING UNTIL THE
[3:43:11] OPPORTUNE TIME TO GO FORWARD WITH THE REQUEST FOR THE OTHER
[3:43:14] BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT SAVES MONEY.
[3:43:19] I JUST REALLY WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.
[3:43:22] THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING TO VOLUNTEER YOUR TIME AND FOR
[3:43:26] CONTINUING TO WORK WITH ALL OF THE VOLUNTEERS, FOR BUILDING AN
[3:43:29] INCREDIBLE GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS, AND FOR BEING COMMITTED TO THE
[3:43:34] OPEN, ACCESSIBLE, FREE MOST OF THE TIME, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE
[3:43:40] WAY ALL PARKS WORK. THERE ARE PARKS WHERE IT IS NOT
[3:43:44] FREE. SO BEING COMMITTED TO THAT AND
[3:43:46] FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH THAT COMMITMENT IS REALLY VALUED BY
[3:43:49] THE COMMUNITY AND BY MYSELF. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[3:43:54] >> THANK YOU. WE HAVE TWO OF OUR TEAM MEMBERS
[3:43:57] TODAY, DIANA SHAHEEN, COO AND ADAM GELTER WHO WAS THE MAN WE
[3:44:03] COULDN'T SEE AT THE BAY PARK IMPROVEMENT BOARD.
[3:44:06] HE LIVES. HE DOES -- HE LEADS ALL OF OUR
[3:44:09] IMPLEMENTATION AND, OF COURSE, A LOT OF THE TEAM ISN'T HERE.
[3:44:11] I GUESS THE LAST THING I WOULD SAY, THIS THING IS BUILT ON
[3:44:15] PARTNERSHIPS. AND WE HAVE AN INCREDIBLE NUMBER
[3:44:18] OF PARTNERS THAT DO ALL THE DESIGN AND THE ENGINEERING AND
[3:44:20] HELP US WITH THE RESILIENCY AND STORMWATER CONSTRUCTION.
[3:44:26] ALL OF OUR PROGRAMMING IS PARTNERED, WE HAVE 30 PLUS
[3:44:30] NONPROFIT PARTNERS. IT'S A UNIQUE NETWORK AND IT'S
[3:44:35] BEEN TERRIFIC TO SEE IT GROW AND GET STRONGER.
[3:44:38] BUT THAT'S HOW THINGS GET DONE. THAT'S HOW THINGS GET DONE.
[3:44:43] >>Mayor Alpert: VICE MAYOR TRICE.
[3:44:46] >>Vice-Mayor Trice: THANK YOU. THE THING IN YOUR PRESENTATION
[3:44:50] THAT I HAVE TO COMMEND YOU ON IS LOTS OF TIMES WHEN PEOPLE DESIGN
[3:44:58] AND BUILD SOMETHING AND THEN THE STORM RIPS IT APART, YOU SAY,
[3:45:03] OKAY, I'LL BUILD IT BACK THE WAY IT WAS, NO, YOU ADAPTED AND
[3:45:07] SAID, WELL, THAT MIGHT NOT BE SUCH A GOOD IDEA.
[3:45:14] I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE TAKING THAT APPROACH AND SAYING LET'S
[3:45:18] LEARN OUR LESSONS AND ADAPT TO THE SITUATION.
[3:45:25] HOPEFULLY IT WON'T COME TO IT, BUT AFTER YOU ADAPTED, WE MAY
[3:45:29] DISCOVER THERE IS A NEED FOR MORE ADAPTATION, BUT AT LEAST
[3:45:32] IT'S NOT SAYING I WANT TO REBUILD THE WAY IT WAS IN THE
[3:45:36] BEGINNING. SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
[3:45:39] BUT I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. BULLOCK BECAUSE THE NUMBERS HE
[3:45:47] WAS THROWING OUT CONFUSED ME A LITTLE BECAUSE I'M UNDER THE
[3:45:51] IMPRESSION FROM THE BAY PARK IMPROVEMENT BOARD MEETING THAT
[3:45:59] YOUR REQUEST FOR PHASE THREE WAS FOR $20 MILLION OUT OF THE
[3:46:09] COMBINED CITY-COUNTY TIF FUND. SO WHEN IT COMES -- AS I
[3:46:18] UNDERSTAND IT THEN, THE CITY WILL AT SOME POINT DO THE BOND
[3:46:23] ISSUE FOR THE FULL 20 MILLION, BUT IT WILL BE REPAID THROUGH
[3:46:32] THE COMBINED COUNTY CITY TIF FUND.
[3:46:35] >>Dave Bullock: THAT'S CORRECT. THE WAY THAT IT WORKS, THE CITY
[3:46:37] ISSUES THE DEBT AND THEN THE COUNTY PAYS 50% OF THE PRINCIPAL
[3:46:41] AND INTEREST ANNUALLY AND WE PAY 50% OF THE PRINCIPAL AND
[3:46:45] INTEREST ANNUALLY. BUT IT IS CITY DEBT.
[3:46:47] AND WE MAKE THE GUARANTEES. AND THEN THAT'S THE REVENUE
[3:46:50] FLOW. THAT IS THE FLOW OF FUNDS TO PAY
[3:46:52] THE DEBT IS 50-50, ASSUMING THE COUNTY COMMISSION APPROVES
[3:46:56] EVERYTHING THAT THE CITY APPROVES.
[3:47:01] >>Vice-Mayor Trice: THAT'S THE GLITCH IN THERE THAT THREE
[3:47:04] ENTITIES NEED TO APPROVE THIS. THE BAY PARK IMPROVEMENT BOARD
[3:47:09] ALREADY APPROVED IT, AND IF WE APPROVE IT TODAY, THEN IT WILL
[3:47:15] DEPEND ON THE COUNTY TO APPROVE. IF ON THE OUTSIDE CHANCE THE
[3:47:23] COUNTY DOES NOT APPROVE, IS THERE A MECHANISM FOR THE BAY
[3:47:35] PARK CONSERVANCY TO COME BACK TO US TO WORK SOMETHING OUT?
[3:47:38] >>Dave Bullock: I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT, BUT IF
[3:47:41] SOMETHING LIKE THAT SHOULD OCCUR NOW OR IN THE FUTURE, WE WOULD
[3:47:46] BEGIN TO ENGAGE IN A DISCUSSION ABOUT A DIFFERENT APPROACH.
[3:47:50] >>Vice-Mayor Trice: OKAY. THANK YOU.
[3:47:51] THAT WAS MY QUESTION. >>Mayor Alpert: THANK YOU.
[3:47:53] COMMISSIONER BATTIE. >>Kyle Battie: I JUST WANTED TO
[3:47:59] SAY THANK YOU ALL SO VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CONTINUED COMMITMENT TO
[3:48:04] THIS PROJECT AND EVERYTHING THAT IS GOING TO BE IN THE FUTURE TO
[3:48:12] THIS CITY AND ITS INCLUSION. AS YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN A
[3:48:15] CHAMPION OF IT FROM JUMP STREET AND JUST HUMBLED AND
[3:48:21] APPRECIATIVE TO BE ON THE BOARD AND BE A PART OF THIS.
[3:48:29] AGAIN, I DON'T THINK I DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING THAT'S PERTAINING
[3:48:34] TO THIS PROJECT. I'M OUTSPOKEN ABOUT IT, IN FAVOR
[3:48:37] OF EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO AND CONTINUE TO DO.
[3:48:42] APPLAUD YOU IN ALL THAT YOU'RE DOING.
[3:48:44] THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.
[3:48:48] >>Mayor Alpert: ALL RIGHT. I HAVE NO QUESTIONS EITHER.
[3:48:54] JUST WANTED TO JUST COMMENT. I SAW THIS PRESENTATION AT THE
[3:48:56] BAY PARK IMPROVEMENT BORED, SO I SAW IT.
[3:49:00] BUT I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT IT A LOT.
[3:49:04] THE CONCEPTS ARE SO EXCITING, AND I THINK FROM DAY ONE,
[3:49:10] EVERYBODY HAS COME UP WITH JUST A REALLY AMAZING PARK.
[3:49:16] SO FAR ALL OF THE CREATIVE PEOPLE WHO COME UP WITH THESE
[3:49:21] DESIGNS AND WAYS TO DO THINGS, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO
[3:49:28] GETTING THIS APPROVED AND SEEING THAT WATER FEATURE.
[3:49:35] SO I THINK THAT WAS A GREAT IDEA.
[3:49:39] I LOVED THE PARK OVER PARKING IDEA TO PROVIDE SOME PARKING.
[3:49:42] AND GIVE US A HILL TO CLIMB. ALL RIGHT.
[3:49:47] COMMISSIONERS, CAN WE GET A MOTION?
[3:49:50] >>Dave Bullock: MADAM CHAIR, IF I COULD MAKE A PROPOSED MOTION?
[3:49:53] >>Mayor Alpert: SURE. >>Dave Bullock: YOU CAN ALL DO
[3:49:55] WITH IT WHAT YOU WANT. IT WOULD BE MOVE TO APPROVE THE
[3:49:57] CONCEPT OF FUNDING FOR PHASE 3 OF THE BAY PARK IN AN AMOUNT
[3:50:02] ESTIMATED TO BE $20 MILLION CONTINGENT ON EQUAL FUNDING BY
[3:50:05] SARASOTA COUNTY. >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: I'LL
[3:50:08] MAKE THAT MOTION. >>Vice-Mayor Trice: I'LL SECOND
[3:50:11] IT. BUT DO YOU NEED THE MILLION
[3:50:13] DOLLARS THROWN IN THERE SOMEPLACE?
[3:50:21] >>Dave Bullock: I THINK -- NO. [ LAUGHTER ]
[3:50:24] I THINK WE'RE OKAY. IF YOU APPROVE -- THIS IS A
[3:50:27] CONCEPT WHERE EVERYTHING IS CONTINGENT ON THE COUNTY.
[3:50:32] I THINK WE'RE COMFORTABLE THEY CAN BEGIN TO INVOICE AGAINST
[3:50:35] MONEY WE ALREADY HAVE IN AN ACCOUNT, AS LONG AS THE COUNTY
[3:50:39] APPROVES IT. AND YOU'RE NOT APPROVING THE
[3:50:41] FUNDING YET. I'M TRYING TO RESERVE FOR YOU
[3:50:45] THE ABILITY TO ACTUALLY APPROVE THE FUNDING AT A FUTURE DATE
[3:50:48] WHEN WE HAVE EVERYTHING NAILED DOWN, WE KNOW HOW MUCH
[3:50:50] EVERYTHING IS, YOU'LL MAKE THE FINAL VOTE ON FUNDING.
[3:50:54] BUT AG CAN MAKE THE STATEMENT THAT THE CITY HAS APPROVED THE
[3:50:57] CONCEPT OF FUNDING PHASE THREE IN THE AMOUNT OF $20 MILLION AND
[3:51:03] CERTAINLY RELAY TO THEM WE HAVE THE ABILITY AND AT THE STAFF
[3:51:07] LEVEL, AGREED WITH STEVE PATELLAR WE CAN USE OUR JOINT
[3:51:11] ACCOUNT FOR THE FIRST FEW MONTHS OF THE WORK.
[3:51:13] I THINK WE'RE OKAY. >>Vice-Mayor Trice: I SECONDED.
[3:51:18] >>Mayor Alpert: COMMISSIONER OHLRICH MADE THE MOTION.
[3:51:23] ANY DISCUSSION OF THE MOTION? >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: I WOULD
[3:51:26] LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING. I REMEMBER THE DAY VIRGINIA
[3:51:29] HALEY, MICHAEL KLAUBER AND I THINK JON THAXTON CAME TO CCNA
[3:51:35] AND PITCHED THIS WILD IDEA ABOUT A PARK ON THE BAY.
[3:51:41] AND WE SAID THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA.
[3:51:43] WE'RE ALL IN. SO HERE WE ARE TODAY, HOPEFULLY
[3:51:46] ALL IN. >>Mayor Alpert: ALL RIGHT.
[3:51:51] COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU WILL VOTE. IS THAT YOUR VOTE?
[3:51:59] PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH LET US
[3:52:04] KNOW IF WE NEED HELP TOMORROW. DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO
[3:52:20] SPEAK? NOBODY.
[3:52:22] OKAY. WE'LL GO TO ITEM 14, REMARKS OF
[3:52:25] COMMISSIONERS. COMMISSIONER BATTIE.
[3:52:28] >>Kyle Battie: ABSOLUTELY NONE. >>Mayor Alpert: COMMISSIONER
[3:52:30] OHLRICH. >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: THANK
[3:52:33] YOU. TWO THINGS.
[3:52:35] I'M ON THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES FINANCE AND TAXATION
[3:52:40] COMMITTEE. WE HAVE THREE AREAS OF FOCUS.
[3:52:43] ONE IS AD VALOREM TAXES, WHICH SEEMS TO BE A BIG DEAL THIS
[3:52:48] YEAR. THE OTHER IS LOCAL OPTION SALES
[3:52:52] TAXES. AND THE THIRD IS LOCAL BUSINESS
[3:52:55] TAX REFORM. THE COMMITTEE HAS DECIDED TO
[3:52:59] FOCUS ON AD VALOREM TAXES, AND WILL BE WRITING A POLICY
[3:53:03] STATEMENT THAT WE USE TO WORK WHEN WE GO TALK TO THE
[3:53:09] LEGISLATORS IN TALLAHASSEE. THE SECOND THING IS, I'M TAKING
[3:53:15] A COURSE FROM THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES UNIVERSITY ON
[3:53:20] HOW TO BECOME A MORE DATA-DRIVEN CITY.
[3:53:25] I HOPE TO BRING THAT INFORMATION BACK TO THIS CITY SO WE CAN BE
[3:53:31] MORE DATA DRIVEN IN OUR DECISION MAKING.
[3:53:34] THAT'S IT, MAYOR. >>Mayor Alpert: THANK YOU.
[3:53:37] COMMISSIONER AHEARN-KOCH. >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: YES.
[3:53:39] SO FOR FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES, I'M ON THE UTILITIES NATURAL
[3:53:43] RESOURCES AND PUBLIC WORKS LEGISLATIVE POLICY COMMITTEE.
[3:53:47] WE HAVE 56 MEMBERS, AND WE HAD A NUMBER OF ITEMS.
[3:53:51] WE CHOSE AS OUR FIRST ONE ENTERPRISE FUND TRANSFERS
[3:53:57] BECAUSE LAST YEAR, LAST SESSION, THE LEGISLATORS IN TALLAHASSEE
[3:54:02] PROPOSED TO LIMIT AND RESTRICT HOW MUNICIPALITIES CAN USE
[3:54:07] REVENUES GENERATED FROM UTILITIES SUCH AS ELECTRIC,
[3:54:13] NATURAL GAS, WATER, WASTEWATER, OUTSIDE OF THE CORPORATE LIMITS.
[3:54:18] AND THERE ARE OFTEN BOND OBLIGATIONS, DEBT SERVICE, AND
[3:54:22] OTHER CONTRACTUAL PROJECTS THAT MUNICIPALITIES USE THOSE FUNDS
[3:54:26] FOR, AND THIS WOULD LIMIT THAT. THE BILL LAST YEAR PASSED THE
[3:54:29] HOUSE, BUT IT FAILED IN THE SENATE, SO WE FEEL THAT IT'S --
[3:54:34] WE'RE SURE IT'S GOING TO COME BACK AND WANT TO BE PREPARED TO
[3:54:38] GO TO TALLAHASSEE AND GIVE GOOD ARGUMENTS AGAINST IT.
[3:54:42] THE SECOND ONE WAS THE EXTRA TERRITORIAL SURCHARGES.
[3:54:49] FOR MUNICIPALITIES TO MAINTAIN AUTHORITY OVER ESTABLISHING --
[3:54:53] TO ESTABLISH AND APPLY REASONABLE EXTRA TERRITORIAL
[3:54:57] SURCHARGES TO REFLECT THE COST OF PROVIDING SERVICES OUTSIDE OF
[3:55:00] THE MUNICIPAL BORDERS. FOR EXAMPLE, LONGBOAT KEY HAS AN
[3:55:05] AGREEMENT TO GET -- THEY HAVE A SUBAQUEOUS LINE WHERE THEY GET I
[3:55:10] BELIEVE WATER AND WASTEWATER, IS THAT CORRECT?
[3:55:13] >>Dave Bullock: THEY TAKE WASTEWATER --
[3:55:15] >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: OUT TO MANATEE COUNTY.
[3:55:17] LONGBOAT KEY HAPPILY PAYS THAT SURCHARGE, WHATEVER MANATEE
[3:55:22] COUNTY GIVES THEM BECAUSE THE CONSEQUENCE IS PRETTY
[3:55:27] UNAPPETIZING. LONGBOAT KEY IS A RECEIVER OF
[3:55:32] SERVICES, HAS NO ISSUE, AS DO A LOT OF FOLKS WHO RECEIVE THOSE
[3:55:35] KINDS OF SERVICES. THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THEM
[3:55:36] OTHERWISE. SO WE ARE GOING TO BE ADVOCATING
[3:55:41] AGAINST THEM LIMITING THAT INCREASE IN CHARGES.
[3:55:47] OFTEN THE MUNICIPALITY HAS TO INVEST OR THE COUNTY HAS TO
[3:55:50] INVEST IN PROVIDING THAT. SO THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PAY
[3:55:53] FOR THAT. A THIRD, CLOSE THIRD WAS ONE
[3:55:57] WATER. AND IT'S A CONCEPT WE SUPPORTED
[3:55:59] LAST YEAR AND WE CONTINUE TO SUPPORT.
[3:56:01] AND WHAT ONE WATER IS, IT IS AN INTEGRATIVE APPROACH TO ALL
[3:56:06] THINGS WATER. THAT'S WATER SUPPLY, QUALITY,
[3:56:09] QUANTITY, PROTECTION, CONSERVATION AND SURFACE
[3:56:13] GROUNDWATER, FRESHWATER, MARINE WATER, POTABLE WATER,
[3:56:17] WASTEWATER, RECLAIMED WATER, ALL OF IT FALLS UNDER ONE
[3:56:21] INTERCONNECTED UMBRELLA. WHAT IT DOES IS IT BASICALLY
[3:56:26] ENCOURAGES FUNDING FOR PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT SILOED BUT ACTUALLY
[3:56:32] HAVE MULTIPLE IMPACTS ON THE WHOLE GLOBAL SYSTEM BECAUSE
[3:56:36] WATER IS REGIONAL. AND TEXAS, FOR EXAMPLE, SPENDS A
[3:56:39] BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR ON ONE WATER PROJECTS BECAUSE THEY CAN
[3:56:44] SECURE FUNDING TO SAY IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO FIT THIS CHECK
[3:56:47] MARK OR THAT ONE. IT'S GOING TO FIT 50 OF THEM.
[3:56:50] AND IT'S GOING TO IMPACT US IN A MUCH BIGGER WAY.
[3:56:59] WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR WAS THE STATE FELT LIKE THE COMMITTEE
[3:57:03] WAS NOT COMPLETELY READY TO ADDRESS THIS.
[3:57:07] SO OUR COMMITTEE PICKING TWO DECIDED WE WOULD SPEAK IN
[3:57:10] SUPPORT OF ONE WATER AND WAIT UNTIL THE COMMITTEE WAS ACTUALLY
[3:57:15] AT A POINT WHERE THEY CAN DO IT. PLANT CITY IS A BIG ONE WATER
[3:57:20] CITY AS ARE A NUMBER OF CITIES. SO THERE IS A CONFERENCE, MR.
[3:57:27] BULLOCK OR SUMMIT, I SHOULD SAY, ON OCTOBER 30th IN PLANT CITY
[3:57:32] HAVING TO DO WITH ONE WATER. AND GOT A NUMBER OF PARTNERS
[3:57:35] THAT WE KNOW AND PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE AS WELL.
[3:57:38] SO THAT WAS REALLY -- IT'S WHERE THINGS ARE GOING FOR FUNDING AND
[3:57:42] WATER, BECAUSE THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ASSET FOR THE CITY OR
[3:57:45] FOR THE STATE, I SHOULD SAY. I WANTED TO SHARE THAT I
[3:57:52] ATTENDED THE DOWNTOWN SARASOTA ENRICHMENT ASSOCIATION'S ANNUAL
[3:57:57] MEETING. THERE WERE A NUMBER OF FOLKS
[3:57:59] THERE. I WOULD SAY OVER 50 FROM
[3:58:02] MERCHANTS FROM DOWNTOWN. THEY ARE GOING TO BE HAVING AN
[3:58:05] EVENT DURING THE THANKSGIVING, CHRISTMASTIME.
[3:58:09] IT'S GOING TO BE TO PROMOTE LOCAL SHOPPING IN DOWNTOWN
[3:58:12] SARASOTA, AND THEY ARE GOING TO BE DOING ALL KINDS OF STUFF TO
[3:58:14] CELEBRATE AROUND THAT. SO LOOK FOR THAT.
[3:58:16] THEY ARE ALSO LOOKING INTO DOING A DOWNTOWN SHOPPING MAP.
[3:58:20] WE ALL ATTENDED I BELIEVE THAT SWEARING IN OF THE SEVEN NEW
[3:58:25] OFFICERS, AND THAT WAS REALLY A BEAUTIFUL EVENT.
[3:58:28] SO I HAVE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THOSE OF HOW ATTENDED AS WELL.
[3:58:35] U.S. RECYCLING, THE GROUP FROM CCNA, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE
[3:58:43] MEETING AND MOVING FORWARD WITH TRYING TO GET THAT SITUATION TO
[3:58:50] CHANGE. I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.
[3:58:52] AND WITH THAT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SHARE.
[3:58:56] >>Mayor Alpert: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
[3:58:57] VICE MAYOR. >>Vice-Mayor Trice: I'M GOING TO
[3:59:00] BE VERY BRIEF ON FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES.
[3:59:03] I'M ON THE DEVELOPMENT CODE ENFORCEMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT
[3:59:12] COMMITTEE. WE PRACTICALLY HAD A TIE ON OUR
[3:59:16] TWO ITEMS BEING CRAs BECAUSE AT LEAST ONE LEGISLATOR WANTS TO
[3:59:23] ELIMINATE CRAs. AND THEN THERE WERE LAUNDRY LIST
[3:59:29] OF HOUSING RELATED THINGS, SO WE SAID HOUSING ALSO, WHICH WOULD
[3:59:38] INCLUDE LIVE LOCAL ACT AND IMPACT FEES, SEVERAL LINE ITEMS.
[3:59:44] SO WE WILL PROBABLY NARROW DONE WHICH OF THOSE WE WILL INCLUDE
[3:59:51] IN OUR ISSUE WITH THE LEGISLATORS.
[3:59:56] BUT SEVERAL BILLS IN THAT AREA WERE FILED DURING THE MEETING,
[4:00:01] SO IT WAS, OH, YEAH, WE CAN'T REALLY GIVE YOU ANY DETAILS
[4:00:04] BECAUSE THIS JUST CAME OUT. SO THAT'S WHY I DON'T HAVE
[4:00:09] ANYTHING SOLID TO SAY TODAY. AND THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO LET
[4:00:13] YOU ALL KNOW TODAY. >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: YOU SAID
[4:00:18] NUMBER ONE WAS CRAs. AND NUMBER TWO WAS?
[4:00:22] >>Vice-Mayor Trice: HOUSING, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS IN THAT
[4:00:27] ORDER BECAUSE THEY WERE DIFFERENT BY ONE VOTE.
[4:00:29] SO THEN THEY DID A RECOUNT. BUT I WAS BUSY TALKING TO
[4:00:33] SOMEBODY WHEN THEY ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS OF THE RECOUNT.
[4:00:39] >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: YOU'LL TELL US AT THE NEXT MEETING.
[4:00:41] >>Vice-Mayor Trice: YEAH. >>Mayor Alpert: OKAY.
[4:00:48] I GUESS I'LL TALK ABOUT MY LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE, WHICH
[4:00:53] SEEMS LIKE A REALLY DISPARATE GROUP OF TOPICS.
[4:00:58] IT'S INTERGOVERNMENTAL RELATIONS, MOBILITY, AND
[4:01:02] EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. SO I'M NOT SURE -- SO I DO HAVE
[4:01:07] -- SB 180. WE DID TALK ABOUT THAT.
[4:01:11] WE'RE PROMOTING SOME, OR THE ISSUE CAME UP TO PROMOTE SOME
[4:01:17] AMENDMENTS TO SB 180 TO PROVIDE SOME CLARIFICATION, CLEAN UP
[4:01:22] SOME OF THE PROVISIONS AND THE ISSUE IS SUPPOSEDLY THE ORIGINAL
[4:01:35] INTENT WAS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE PEOPLE BE ABLE TO REBUILD WHERE
[4:01:40] THEY ALREADY HAD A BUILDING AND NOT BE.IS TOED BY LOCAL
[4:01:45] GOVERNMENT IF THEY LOST IT BECAUSE OF A HURRICANE.
[4:01:49] BUT THAT APPLIES NOW TO EVERYBODY WHETHER THEY WERE
[4:01:53] AFFECTED BY THE HURRICANE OR NOT.
[4:01:57] AND THEN WE DISCUSSED SEVERAL ISSUES.
[4:01:59] WE HAD TO NARROW IT DOWN TO TWO, AND THEN NEXT MONTH WE'LL CHOOSE
[4:02:07] ONE. THE SECOND ISSUE THAT WAS CHOSEN
[4:02:10] WAS CHANGING THE DATES FOR MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS.
[4:02:15] SO ESSENTIALLY THE STATE IS WANTING THEM TO CHANGE THE DATES
[4:02:18] OF THEIR ELECTIONS JUST AS WE DID HERE.
[4:02:24] AND THE POINT FROM THE GROUP WAS THAT THEY WANT TO MAKE THE POINT
[4:02:31] THAT THEY DON'T REALLY THINK THE STATE SHOULD BE INTERFERING IN
[4:02:37] THE LOCAL ELECTIONS AND WHEN THEY ARE HELD AND THE TERM
[4:02:43] LIMITS. IF YOU MAKE IT EVERY EVEN YEAR,
[4:02:50] WHERE GOVERNOR OR A PRESIDENT IS GETTING ELECTED, YOU'VE GOT
[4:02:53] COMMISSIONS THAT ARE -- HAVE THREE-YEAR TERMS.
[4:02:57] SO THEN THEY CHANGE THEIR CHARTER REGARDING THAT AND HOW
[4:03:00] LONG THEY SERVE. SO IT'S MUCH MORE COMPLICATED
[4:03:03] AND THEY JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT IS THE STATE'S PURVIEW.
[4:03:06] SO THOSE WERE THE TWO ISSUES THAT GOT CHOSEN.
[4:03:12] OUR ISSUE FOR THE ART ON SIDEWALKS CAME IN THIRD.
[4:03:15] BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN'T INDIVIDUALLY LOBBY FOR
[4:03:21] THAT. THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR TODAY.
[4:03:26] YES. >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: FIRST OF ALL,
[4:03:28] I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR DOING THE ART ON SIDEWALKS.
[4:03:31] I HEARD IT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION.
[4:03:33] THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. AND THEN, SECOND OF ALL, FOR SB
[4:03:38] 180, WHEN YOU GET THAT LANGUAGE FINAL, WOULD YOU MIND SHARING
[4:03:41] IT? BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS OUR MOST
[4:03:43] IMPORTANT ONE, WHEN WE GO TO TALLAHASSEE, BIG ONE.
[4:03:47] >>Mayor Alpert: YEAH, OKAY. THAT WILL BE AFTER NEXT MONTH'S
[4:03:50] MEETING. BUT THERE ARE SOME PROPOSALS.
[4:03:51] I CAN GET WHAT THEY HAVE ALREADY PROPOSED, WHAT THEY ARE WANTING
[4:03:56] TO -- >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: OKAY.
[4:03:57] DO I HAVE A DOCUMENT FROM -- FROM VOLUSIA COUNTY, WHAT THEY
[4:04:01] DID SIDE BY SIDE AS THEIR PROPOSAL.
[4:04:05] IF YOU HAVE WHAT YOUR COMMITTEE DID, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
[4:04:07] THANK YOU FOR THAT. >>Vice-Mayor Trice: WHEN YOU ARE
[4:04:10] FINISHED, I DO HAVE SOMETHING ELSE I WOULD LIKE TO ADD.
[4:04:13] >>Mayor Alpert: GO AHEAD. >>Vice-Mayor Trice: THIS IS TO
[4:04:16] THROW OUT AND MAYBE GET A SENSE OF THE COMMISSION.
[4:04:20] IN LIGHT OF THE REMOVAL OF STUFF ON THE SIDEWALKS, STREETS,
[4:04:27] CROSSWALKS, I NOTICED AT LEAST ONE OTHER CITY IN THE STATE HAS
[4:04:37] PAINTED THE BICYCLE RACKS IN RAINBOW COLORS.
[4:04:42] I THINK THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING IF WE ARE IN A POSITION TO PAINT
[4:04:47] BICYCLE RACKS IN OUR PARKS, WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER DOING
[4:04:53] THAT. >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: SAW THAT AS
[4:04:56] WELL. >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: I ASK
[4:04:59] HOW MUCH DOES THAT COST? >>Vice-Mayor Trice: THERE MIGHT
[4:05:05] BE VOLUNTEERS WHO ARE WILLING TO DO THAT.
[4:05:09] >>Mayor Alpert: ALL RIGHT. WE WILL GO TO THE CITY ATTORNEY.
[4:05:14] >>Joseph Polzak: NOTHING FOR TODAY.
[4:05:14] THANK YOU, MAYOR. >>Mayor Alpert: MS. GRIGGS.
[4:05:20] >>Shayla Griggs: I DO HAVE SOMETHING.
[4:05:22] RARELY. I NEED TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT
[4:05:25] THAT WE ARE HOSTING OUR SECOND SHRED DOCUMENT EVENT.
[4:05:33] SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 8, 9 A.M. TO NOON AT THE VAN WEZEL PARKING
[4:05:37] LOT. WE WILL HAVE THE SAME VAN BACK.
[4:05:42] THEY WERE AWESOME. THAT IS THE GARBAGE MEN.
[4:05:47] THEY ARE PERFORMING '60s SONGS.
[4:05:50] OPEN TO THE CITY OF SARASOTA RESIDENTS.
[4:05:52] YOU CAN BRING UP TO FOUR BOXES PER HOUSEHOLD, FREE, SECURE,
[4:05:57] ON-SITE SHREDDING. ACCEPTABLE ITEMS ARE PAPER
[4:06:00] DOCUMENTS, FILE FOLDERS, STAPLES, AND PAPER CLIPS.
[4:06:04] NOT ACCEPTED, CDs, DVDs, HARD METAL BINDERS, NOT TAKING
[4:06:09] ANY OF THAT. YOU WILL NEED TO SHOW YOUR CITY
[4:06:14] ID. AND WE JUST HOPE PEOPLE SHOW UP
[4:06:16] AGAIN. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO PROMOTE IT.
[4:06:19] GET IT OUT THERE. WE HAD A GREAT EVENT LAST TIME.
[4:06:21] GREAT TURNOUT LAST TIME. HOPEFULLY WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER
[4:06:25] ONE. >>Mayor Alpert: THANK YOU.
[4:06:28] DONE FREE. >>Shayla Griggs: ALSO.
[4:06:30] I HAVE ONE MORE THING. I NEED TO BRING TO YOUR
[4:06:32] ATTENTION, I'LL HAVE MILES COME OUT AND EXPLAIN IT.
[4:06:35] THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT AND COMMUNITY NEEDS TO KNOW ABOUT IT
[4:06:39] AND YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT IT IF ASKED.
[4:06:41] MILES WILL EXPLAIN IT BETTER THAN I CAN.
[4:06:43] >> THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK. WANTED TO UPDATE EVERYBODY, AS
[4:06:47] MOST EVERYBODY KNOWS, THE COUNTY IS MOVING OUT OF 1660 RINGLING.
[4:06:53] IT'S QUITE A MOMENT. BEEN A LONG TIME OVER THERE.
[4:06:56] THEIR LAST MEETING THERE IS TOMORROW.
[4:06:59] IN THE MEANTIME, UNTIL THE NEW ADMINISTRATION BUILDING GETS
[4:07:02] BUILT UP BY THE CELERY FIELDS, THEY ARE GOING TO BE AT RLA IN
[4:07:08] VENICE. WHAT THAT MEANS FOR US SPECIFICALLY AND OUR BROADCAST
[4:07:13] OF THE MEETINGS -- >>Mayor Alpert: RL ANDERSON.
[4:07:17] >> THAT IS THEIR SOUTH COUNTY FACILITY.
[4:07:21] FOR US, GENERALLY -- HOW IT WORKS, OUR SIGNAL GOES FROM THIS
[4:07:25] ROOM VIA FIBER ACROSS THE STREET TO 1660 AND THEN THAT'S WHERE
[4:07:28] MASTER CONTROL IS AND IT GOES TO VERIZON AND COMCAST FROM THERE.
[4:07:33] 1660 IS GONE AS OF THE END OF THIS MONTH.
[4:07:36] THERE'S NO CONNECTION TO VERIZON OR COMCAST FROM THE RLA BUILDING
[4:07:42] IN VENICE. NOT ONLY US, BUT THEM AS WELL
[4:07:44] ARE NOT GOING TO BE ON THOSE TV CHANNELS FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.
[4:07:50] THEY ARE SAYING JANUARY FOR THE BUILD-OUT TO BE COMPLETED BUT
[4:07:52] THERE ARE A LOT OF MOVING PARTS, A LOT OF DIFFERENT ENTITIES.
[4:07:56] THEY ARE WORKING ON THAT. JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS, IF YOU
[4:07:59] HEAR ABOUT IT, WE'RE NOT ON TV. THE COMCAST FEED IS
[4:08:04] UNINTERRUPTED. THAT'S FOR ALL OUR ADVISORY
[4:08:06] BOARDS ON COMCAST LIVE STREAMING AND ON DEMAND.
[4:08:09] THE CITY COMMISSION IS ON GRANICUS AND Facebook LIVE.
[4:08:16] >>Mayor Alpert: PEOPLE CAN STREAM IT --
[4:08:17] >> YOU CAN STILL STREAM IT. UNINTERRUPTED.
[4:08:23] GRANICUS WILL UNINTERRUPTED, KEEP GOING.
[4:08:27] >>Shayla Griggs: WE WON'T HAVE TV FEED.
[4:08:29] WE WANT THE PUBLIC TO BE AWARE OF THAT.
[4:08:32] >>Mayor Alpert: THANK YOU. GOOD IDEA.
[4:08:33] WE NEED TO KNOW THAT. THANK YOU, MILES.
[4:08:38] I'LL GO TO THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.
[4:08:41] NOTHING. OKAY.
[4:08:42] MR. BULLOCK. >>Dave Bullock: I HAVE A COUPLE
[4:08:47] OF THINGS. I WOULD ASK THE COMMISSION'S
[4:08:51] APPROVAL TO SEND A LETTER TO SARASOTA COUNTY UNDER THE
[4:08:55] MAYOR'S SIGNATURE ASKING THEM, FIRST ASKING IF WE CAN DO A
[4:08:59] PRESENTATION ON THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER AND IF WE COULD GET
[4:09:03] AN INDICATION OF WHERE THEY ARE AS A COMMISSION ON FUTURE
[4:09:06] FUNDING. WE'RE AT A POINT IN OUR PLANNING
[4:09:10] WHERE WE REALLY NEED TO NAIL DOWN WHETHER THEY ARE IN WITH US
[4:09:14] ALL THE WAY, PART WAY, A LITTLE BIT, OR SOMETHING ELSE.
[4:09:19] SO I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO CRAFT THAT LETTER UNDER THE MAYOR'S
[4:09:23] SIGNATURE AND SEND IT TO THE CHAIR OF THE COUNTY COMMISSION.
[4:09:28] >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: DO YOU NEED A VOTE FROM THE COMMISSION
[4:09:30] OR CONSENSUS? >>Dave Bullock: IT WOULD BE BEST
[4:09:32] IF WE HAD A MOTION JUST TO AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR TO SEND A
[4:09:35] LETTER TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION TO OFFER TO MEET WITH THEM AND
[4:09:40] THEN EXPRESS OUR DESIRE TO KNOW WHERE THEY STAND ON THIS.
[4:09:45] >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.
[4:09:46] >>Vice-Mayor Trice: I'LL SECOND. >>Mayor Alpert: OKAY.
[4:09:52] ANY DISCUSSION? >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: I'LL
[4:09:53] JUST SAY THAT YOU AND I HAVE HAD CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS.
[4:09:58] I AGREE THAT IT'S TIME TO DO THAT.
[4:10:03] >>Mayor Alpert: ALL RIGHT. IF YOU WILL VOTE, COMMISSIONERS.
[4:10:13] IS THAT YOUR VOTE? MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[4:10:16] >>Dave Bullock: THANK YOU. MY LAST THING, AND WE CAN DO
[4:10:18] THIS AT ANOTHER MEETING. UPDATE YOU ON THE WORK WE'RE
[4:10:23] DOING ON THE VAN WEZEL. WE HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF
[4:10:27] ENGINEERING. SOME MATERIALS HAVE COME IN.
[4:10:29] SO RATHER THAN DO IT NOW, EVEN THOUGH I DID HAVE NIK STAY, IF
[4:10:39] IT'S OKAY, WE'LL SCHEDULE IT, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT WE
[4:10:43] HAVE DONE AND WHAT IS YET TO COME.
[4:10:45] THAT'S IT. >>Mayor Alpert: ALL RIGHT.
[4:10:48] SO IF THERE IS -- ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE?
[4:10:51] ALL RIGHT. THEN WE ARE ADJOURNED.