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Hey, I'd like to call to order the
August 17, 2020 city council meeting at

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700 p.m. If you all rise for the pledge
of

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» allegiance.
I pledge algiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands. One nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all.

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» Thank you [clears throat]
room. We actually have a full staff roll

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call. We're all here today.
Um,

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before I begin and get on the agenda,
I'd like to I'd like to just take a

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moment to remember that and the and
honor Jeff Weiss, the longtime director

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of Scapoo Public Library who passed away
on July 24. Jeff served our community as

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library director since 2017. He brought
with him 25 years of library experience

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from Muny, Indiana, where I believe
people here will remember most his

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quiet, gentle nature and his genuine
commitment to helping others. Jeff

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worked countless hours to make our
library um and was is there for our

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community. He believed that everyone who
walked through the library doors

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mattered and deserve to be treated with
kindness and respect. So on behalf of

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the city council and the city of
Scaffos, I want to extend our deepest

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condolences to Jeff's family, friends,
library colleagues, and everyone in our

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community who knew and appreciated him.
So I'd like to ask everybody to join me

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in a moment of silence for Jeff's
memory.

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» Okay, thank you.
Um, okay. As we move on to tonight's

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agenda, um, I did want to make one
little change on resolution 26 07. It

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should read 2611,
uh, number five.

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And I was wondering if I could add um
add just one. Uh, we have Tyler Ferrer

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here today. I'd like to be able to say
something that maybe works. You guys

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feel
that uh number three right after the

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oath of office. A little thank you to
Tyler.

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[clears throat]
Make it 2. A 2.2.

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We have to change all the other numbers.
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We're looking at that. I would look for
a motion to approve tonight's agenda.

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» Mr. Mayor, I move to approve tonight's
agenda as amended.

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» Councelor Hogan makes a motion to
approve tonight's agenda as amended. Any

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second?
>> Second.

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» Second by councelor Santiago.
Any more discussion? Seeing none, all

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those in favor say by saying I. I.
>> Opposed? Motion carries.

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So tonight, uh we are now on to public
comment. This is the place on the agenda

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where the public's invited to speak to
council regarding any matter not on the

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agenda and not scheduled for public
hearing. Members of the public

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addressing council are requested to give
their name and city of residents. Please

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try not to repeat questions to allow for
more speakers. Speakers will limit their

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testimony to five minutes. We're limited
to 30 minutes total for all public

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comments. I do have one so far. Miss
Higgus, if you'd like to step up to the

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microphone,

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» this one working this time.

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» It should be good.
>> Uh, my name is Alicia Higgus, resident

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of Scapus. Good evening, mayor and
council. Tonight, I'm going to be very

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direct. I believe the city of Scapus has
a leadership problem. I've spent years

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raising concerns about accountability,
transparency, inconsistent enforcement,

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and conduct within this city. When the
same problems continue under the same

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leadership, we have to stop pretending
they're isolated incidents. The urban

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renewal grant is a perfect example. My
husband and I have asked what

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documentation showed that previously
identified compliance issues were

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corrected before the grant application
moved forward. City Manager Ben

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Berginger told us that a final staff
report memor memorialized staff's review

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and determination that the application
met the grant requirements.

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When it wasn't provided, we filed a
public records request seeking that

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documentation he told us existed. Only
then did Mr. Berginger acknowledge he

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needed to correct a prior statement. The
city's official records response

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followed. The final staff report he
referenced, none exists. A written staff

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recommendation,
none exists.

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Documentation that the compliance issues
were corrected or identifying who

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verified the corrective work, nothing in
writing exists. That's a serious

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credibility problem. Council relies on
the city manager, too. If residents

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cannot rely on the accuracy of his
representations, how can council be

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confident the information you're
receiving is accurate? These

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accountability concerns also extend to
enforcement. An abandoned boat sat on a

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public street for months. SPD knew about
it. It had already been cited. And on

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July 1st, Officer McFarland posted an
abandoned vehicle notice citing SMC

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11.04.2080.
two 280.

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Yet, the owner was given until August
19th before it would be towed,

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approximately seven additional weeks.
Why was this consistent with how SPD

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treats other residents? Or was someone
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What other laws and ordinances aren't
being enforced? And who decides when

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enforcement is optional? My concerns
with SPD go beyond enforcement? I have a

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video of an encounter involving recently
promoted Detective Johnson and a

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resident who called the police himself
last month. The resident was frustrated

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and trying to grab his phone. Rather
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escalated the encounter to the point
that he reached for and attempted to

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draw his firearm in the presence of half
a dozen children. And the council needs

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to know something else. He couldn't get
the gun out of his holster. Think about

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that.
Why was reaching for a firearm

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necessary? And if an officer believes
circumstances justify drawing one, is he

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sufficiently trained and proficient to
respond safely? Those are serious public

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safety questions.
The resident subsequently complained to

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Chief Llewellyn, so leadership was
notified and is aware of the concern.

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Was Johnson's bodywn camera footage
reviewed? Was his decision for reaching

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for his firearm and his inability to
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Was the complaint investigated?
And how does an officer involved in an

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incident raising these questions
subsequently get promoted to detective?

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SPD needs meaningful deescalation
training before somebody gets hurt.

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But this goes beyond one officer. I've
raised concerns about SPD's

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accountability, transparency,
enforcement practices, and conduct for

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years. I believe we've reached the point
where the Scampoo's Police Department

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needs new leadership. And the leadership
problem doesn't stop with SPD. The city

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city manager oversees city operations.
Council oversees the city manager. I

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have lost confidence in both the police
department's leadership and the city

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manager. I'm asking council to seriously
evaluate whether you still have

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confidence in that leadership. An oath
of office requires integrity,

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accountability, equal application of our
laws, protection of this community, and

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telling the truth even when it's
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I shouldn't have to file public records
requests to determine whether things I'm

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being told by city leaders leadership
are true. Residents shouldn't have to

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question whether city ordinances are
enforced equally or whether some people

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are given special treatment. And we
shouldn't have to wait for somebody to

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get hurt before demanding accountability
from our police department. These aren't

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isolated complaints anymore. This is a
pattern and patterns are a leadership

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issue. Scapus deserves leadership that
the public and this council can trust.

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Thank you.
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Okay. Um, we're on to Is there any more
public comment online? Anybody else

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here? Pink's list. All right. Thank you.
We'll close public comment. Moving on to

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number one. Tonight's consent agenda.
July 2026,

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city council meeting minutes. I'm
looking for approval of tonight's

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consent agenda. [clears throat]

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» Mayor, I move to consent agenda.
Councelor Marque makes a motion to

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approve. Any second?
>> Second.

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» Second by councelor Santiago. Any more
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Seeing none, all those in favor state by
saying I.

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» I.
>> Opposed. Motion carries. On to number

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two. Oath of office for officer
Cunningham. Please join me down here.

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Appreciate it.

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» [clears throat]
>> Reaffirming the oath of office. Uh,

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please I mean I please state your full
name. I

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» hereby swear on my oath
>> to honestly and faithfully discharge my

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duties
>> of police officer for the city of Scapus

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» and that I will uh support the laws
>> the constitution of the state of Oregon

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» and the United States of America
>> and the charter and ordinances of the

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city of Scapus.
to the best of my ability.

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So help me God.
>> All right. Thank you.

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» Officer Davos already warned me about
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» Uh it is a pleasure to be here. Uh from
day one on I think it was March 23rd, uh

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chief told me I was hired. Uh I was just
very excited to start. 16 weeks to the

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academy was grueling, a little boring in
some spots, but it was great to be back

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on week one and get straight to the
straight to the road and just kind of

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hit the road running. Uh, it's been
great so far. I appreciate you, Chief. I

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appreciate all the other officers that
have been there and supported me through

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the entire thing. So, it's great to be
here. Thank you.

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» Thank you very much.

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Okay,
thank you everybody.

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» Hey, one more. We're on to 2B. If um
Tyler Ferrer, come on up there.

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» Mr. Mayor. Yes.
>> Here's a box for coming in here.

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» You make that yourself. [laughter]
All right. Uh Tyler uh was

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representative of the Scapu School
District on our student council last

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year. So I wanted we wanted to give this
to him. This certificate is proudly

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presented to 202025 2026 city council
student representative Tyler Ferrer in

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recognition of your outstanding
dedication, commitment, and valuable

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contributions as a volunteer with Scapu
City Council. Your efforts have made a

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meaningful impact and we sincerely
sincere sincerely appreciate your time,

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energy, and service. Mayor Joe Bakus and
city council presented today, August 17,

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2026. Thank you.

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All right.

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Big one here. Um, okay. We're on to old
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I'm doing this. All right. We um
last meeting we had our first reading of

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ordinance 927

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notes.

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It's first reading there. Your second

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this ordinance is on second reading.
They received a motion for approval and

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a second during the July 2026 city
council meeting. So, is there any other

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additional discussion?
Couple counselors that have read and

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listened online, but we're not here at
the meeting. If you guys have any

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questions, you guys have asked your
questions, have had discussions, I'm

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assuming.
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» Mr. Mayor, I'd like to recuse myself.
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» And I'll be recusing myself as well.
>> Okay. What I will do then, um, why don't

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we just to make it good is have you guys
leave, um, and, um, we'll call you back

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in as soon as we're done.

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Is there anything new to add since our
last meeting, Lori?

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» Uh, no, there is nothing to add here.
Uh, if not, I'll read the ordinance

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title for the second time and call for
the vote. Ordinance 927, an ordinance

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relating to land use, amending the urban
growth boundary, establishing urban

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reserves, amending the comprehensive
plan text and map, amending the zoning

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map, and amending the Scapoo's municipal
code chapters 17.22, 17.26, 17.40,

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17.44,
17.50, 50 17.54 17.56 17.62

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17.68 17.70 17.74
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17.85 17.86 17.89 17.92
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So we had a first and second and no more
discussion. Um, all those in favor state

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by saying I.
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» Did you vote?
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» Okay. Um, so four one. Uh, motion
carries. Um, so that is that on the

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50-year plan and ordinance 927.
I want to thank you Lori and Cru for all

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your help and work on this for several
years. uh Beth and and appreciate all

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your help. So hopefully now we'll make
sure it works well. Okay, we're done

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there. If they want to come back in,
Marty's out in the hall.

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Okay, now we're on to new business. Um
St. Helens to Scapoo Trail Refinement

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Project feasibility study. uh community
development director Lori Joseph with

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her report.
>> Thank you, mayor and council. Uh so

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tonight I'm just bringing you uh really
an update on this project. It um

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actually got kicked off last December.
We've had a few uh project management

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meetings. Um and just uh as a reminder,
it was back in uh June 23rd, 2024 that

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city council first approved the
resolution. uh which allowed Scapus to

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enter into an IGA with St. Helens to
coordinate on this project. Uh the city

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has already paid their match for this
grant. Um and so the purpose really was

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uh there were some questions that ODOT
leadership received about feasibility

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and cost effectiveness. There was a
slight pause uh while information was

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gathered um to resolve this and just to
get early kind of touch points and buyin

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from council um here in Scapus as well
as in St. Helens and the county board of

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commissioners. Uh ODOT chose to
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the beginning of the project kind of
moved it up in the process um as part of

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task three. And so the purpose of the
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really is to identify any uh uh well
first of all to identify potential

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alignments for the path. Um you'll
notice as you look through the packet

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that the uh trail alignment is is
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with three different um alternative
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each of those segments.
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um evalu were discussed um they
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those potential alignments.
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feasible options for a path exist.
And then just a note that the evaluation

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in this report uh relies on available
data does not yet include any uh

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community input or coordination with uh
interested parties such as maybe some of

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the private um property owners that this
could affect.

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that input will be conducted at a later
later stage in this project to confirm

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feasibility um and inform the selection
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and then summarize the approaches that
some other similar paths uh have used to

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address similar key challenges such as
in our case uh this is going to traverse

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wetlands uh private property railroad
coordination. There is some flood plane

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as well. Um, and that information is
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is in your packets.
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feasibility study be shared with council
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identified now before any additional
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And then uh as stated by ODOT, all of
the funding to complete this uh planning

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does remain in place and all other
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forward um once ODOT hears back from um
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Columbia County Board of Commissioners.
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within the feasibility study that the
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different segments three different
potential uh trail alignments within

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those for our segment which is the
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discussion on that starts on page 102 of
your packet. There is a map of the

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potential alignments on uh page 103.
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kind of grades and lists um each of the
concerns that are identified. That table

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is on a uh page 115.
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trail segment three alternative B and C
trail alignments uh are both emerging as

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promising options. we um the consultant
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with with those alignments at this
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And so um once in terms of finalizing
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involve uh a site visit which we will
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committee and technical advisory
committee members. It will also include

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utility rail and property owner
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uh partner review and refinement. Uh
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as well. Uh we will have public
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that public input [clears throat]
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selected
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of getting a little bit more specific on
that uh preferred alignment. So looking

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at things such as uh you know
right-of-way acquisition, physical space

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constraints, any utility conflicts,
safety, and then access to key

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destinations along the proposed
alignment.

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So again, this is just included for for
you all to to have a look at and then to

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let me know of any concerns that that
you have at this point or you know if

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your feedback is this is great and
exciting. Um happy to take that uh back

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to to the team as well.

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» Um quick question I have is kind of
looking at it. I mean, would we then be

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I know we paid a third of the matching.
Would we be responsible basically for

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the cost of our section?
>> Yeah. And those discussions haven't

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really occurred yet because this is um
essentially what this results in is a

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30% plan for construction of the
preferred alternative. Right. So, it

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doesn't include any type of construction
funding at this at this stage. Um and I

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think uh mayor that that would make
sense that you know each jurisdiction

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would share in the cost of development.
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I would say if it's outside of you know
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um that would be a good case for that
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things. Uh but those discussions haven't
actually taken place yet. I anecdotally

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have heard through the consultant um and
through ODOT that there could be future

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grant funding available for the actual
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» and that total project cost of 405,000
that's a portion of it.

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» The 405,000 is just to do this uh 30%
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Uh Lori, um yes, first first I'm
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» Yeah.
>> Um and uh it's been a long time in

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coming, but uh uh one of the questions I
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assume you could you could mix and match
option B and C in terms of a route

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across more road and west lane. Um
simply, you know, just from the

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st viewpoint of a cyclinger.
>> Yeah.

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» I hate driving with a rail with a with a
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» Um, and so, you know, I think, you know,
either one of those would be would be

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good if you I think it would better if
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truck route.
>> But I'll I'll make that comment later,

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too.
>> Okay. Perfect.

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» Yep.
>> Thank you.

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» So, so you're just basically what what
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>> not even that. um you know because we're

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going to get more feedback as we um
delve into the project a little bit more

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and get community input etc. Um and so
not not you know for this meeting it's

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not about you know which which alignment
you prefer. It's more do you have any

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overall concerns with uh this whole
thing moving forward in terms of just

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completing the 30% design and and
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just if I was thinking of concern I was
like trying to avoid the highway 30.

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» Yeah. And I would I will say that um for
each of the trail segments the first

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option was just having having it on the
30 alignment. Um that is the fatal flaw

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with all of them. It doesn't work
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butts directly up against the rail
rideway and so there really isn't uh a

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great place to put a trail. Great. Okay.
And then you said like for example

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um alternative C that doesn't have
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constructed. So this uh 405,000K
that already estimated in all of the

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options.
>> So again that's just to do this planning

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» that has nothing to do with
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last item in that um, packet and that
has the uh, costs. Yeah.

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» And for Yeah. Alternative B and C
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the same cost.
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» they look at moving the rail and using
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rail somewhere else.
>> No. [laughter] Wouldn't that be nice?

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I've seen a lot of old railroad lines
trails to trails, you know. [laughter]

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» And can you not make a trail on top of
the dyke? Can that be a trail? Can you

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not pave the top of a dyke and not
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project area. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Right.

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» Um, so I guess the biggest concern that
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property owners willing to transact.
Yes. There's no

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legal authority to force them to do
anything in these cases, is there?

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» Um, you know, potential
not to my knowledge and that's not

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necessarily a direction we would want to
go. The only thing I could think of is

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like if they were to force an eminent
domain or something and state that it's

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for a public purpose, but I, you know, I
don't know that that's really what

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anyone's looking to do here. Um, and
that's why it's going to be really

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important to have those property owner
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» And what do they make that a step more
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into? Okay.
>> Yes. So we don't obviously we don't want

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to present this um generally to the
public to get their buy in until those

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conversations have been had to know that
you know these are still possibilities

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in in the different routes that we're
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» How does the immunity get triggered on
things like this if something happens on

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the trail? Maybe now is not the right
time to ask this question, but I guess I

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» from a property owner's perspective,
that is one of the concerns that I would

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have is if somebody sustains an injury.
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on their part of, you know, on their
parole, the the part that passes

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through. I mean, I would think that
hopefully as a part of this, you know,

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it it can either happen where the cities
or county um can acquire the property.

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Yeah. Or it's going to come through an
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certain what that looks like if Ben has
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» Right. That would have to be reviewed by
attorney recreation community should

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apply to some extent if it's a city
purpose or county purpose trail for

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recreation purposes. Um, but yeah, we'd
have to get official legal opinion on

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that.
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to kind of firm that up, I am curious if
it's if it's an easement, if that

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immunity still applies or does the
government entity have to own

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the dirt to
>> Yeah. Yeah, like I said, we need to

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follow up on that, but if it's a
citybuilt and maintained

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uh facility, it's usually even with an
easement, just like you're leasing

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property, that would be a city's or
county um infrastructure that it' be

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viable for.
>> I'm just flagging that because if you

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approach me, that'd be one of the
questions that I would immediately have.

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» That's a good question
>> on that piece.

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Thank you.
No, I I No, I just I answered my own

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question because I couldn't see. I
didn't bring my glasses and I was just

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wondering what
>> Gotcha. I'm good.

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» I think this is good.
>> Appreciate this. And I like the having

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the other options to go on and look and
go out and check out these other trails

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and see how they've worked.
>> Right.

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» Great. Appreciate it.
>> Thank you. Thanks, Lauren.

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» Thank you. Thank you.
>> Okay. Uh, moving on to number five,

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resolution now 2611, a resolution of the
council of the city of Scapus

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authorizing the city manager to make an
application to the department of land

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conservation and development
transportation growth management PGM's

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grant program to develop a downtown
improvement plan. Community development

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director Lori Joseph with the staff
report on that as well.

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» Thank you. Yes. Uh this continues to be
a uh council priority to develop a

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downtown improvement plan. We have
identified a grant that would um fund

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that plan. The grant is due this um this
Friday and we did apply last year. We

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scored well, but uh it is a very
competitive process and our TSP was

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funded but not the downtown plan. So,
um, again, my my ask is that you would

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approve resolution 2611,
uh, which just gives, uh, city manager

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Benjamin the ability to, uh, make
application to DLCD for this grant.

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» Thank you,
>> uh, Mr. Mayor. Yes, couple.

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» So, I know what this means, but just as
a matter of putting it on the record for

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clarity to you on uh one bait number 135
physical impact, it says none. It goes

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on to say the grant request will be for
185,000 and there's no match require,

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excuse me, there is a grant match
requirement of 11.5 requested funds, but

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we are matching that in in basically
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» labor and supplies. So, we're not
actually going to be giving 21,275 in

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cash. Correct.
>> Thank you,

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» Mr. Mayor.
>> Thank you, Councelor Hogan.

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» I move that council adopt resolution
26-07,

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a resolution of the council of the city
of Scapus authorizing the city manager

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to make application to the department of
land conservation development, TGM's

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grant program to develop downtown
improvement plan and sign all associated

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documents, including the final grant
agreement if awarded.

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» Okay. Council, we we've it's 2611. Oh,
I'm sorry. 2611. Correct.

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» I have a motion by council having to
move to adopt resolution 2611. Any

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second?
>> Second.

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» Second by Miller.
Any more discussion?

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» Seeing none, all those in favor state by
saying I.

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» I.
>> Okay.

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» Opposed. Motion carried. Thank you.
>> Thank you.

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» So this be updated to this.
>> Yes. resolution will be

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number six.
>> Did we put that on the record? The

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correction.
>> Yes. Um verbally.

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» Yes, I'm put on the record. We did in
the agenda. We've changed that.

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Originally, it was resolution 2607, but
it is correctly as 2611. So, on the

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record, that's resolution 2611.
Okay. Now, we're on to number six.

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Ordinance 928, an ordinance amending
Scapoo Municipal Code Chapter 13.22.

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Uh we are at a public hearing and our
first reading um storm water management.

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So Chris, city manager Chris Nagelpa and
we got

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» you promoted.

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[laughter]
[snorts]

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» No, not my book. Not my [laughter]
notes. The engineer.

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» So this [snorts] is just you. I see
there's a big table, but this is city

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engineer Chris Nagel with the staff
report.

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» Thank you, uh, mayor and council for,
um, uh, allowing this to be on the

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agenda for tonight. Um, this, um,
council action is somewhat timely as

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we're under a deadline to get this
section of our stormwater code amended.

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So, back in um just a little background,
back in 2019,

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um the DEEQ adopted a plan um that
required agencies to um control mercury

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um deposition
uh in soil from running off into our

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into local streams uh in the Wamut
basin. And so, we're in that we're in

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that basin. And um uh the the plan gave
timelines for implementing certain

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portions of the of the full requirement.
And we're currently on item four on a

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table of items that include six items.
The first three we took care of with um

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updates to our website, reporting on
maintenance, things that we were already

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doing. So those were fairly basic things
that we were already doing. We just had

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to document them. So we took care of
that. Um this is this code amendment. Um

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uh I'll just read from the staff report
here. Um the report's called the final

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revised Wamut Basin Mercury total
maximum daily load plan. We call it the

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TMDL. We'll call it the Mercury TMDL
plan. And in our case, it's for cities

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and populations under 10,000. There are
different requirements for cities over

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10,000
somewhat more stringent. They have a few

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more things to to deal with. Um the pre
the plan required phase implementation

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of those requirements. The current phase
requires establishment of an elicit

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discharge detection and elimination
prevention program by ordinance and that

422
00:35:43,839 --> 00:35:52,480
we affectionately call the IDE
prevention program. Um the exist

423
00:35:49,839 --> 00:35:57,599
existing chapter 1322
um which we currently have establishes

424
00:35:55,040 --> 00:36:01,760
the city storm water management utility
and addresses administrative

425
00:35:59,839 --> 00:36:06,800
administration charges billing
collection appeals [clears throat]

426
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:11,520
account use um classification
severability. However, the current

427
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:16,480
chapter contains limited language
addressing water quality, listicid

428
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:22,000
connections and discharges, private
storm water facilities, spill response,

429
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:27,680
inspections, remediation, monitoring,
enforcement.

430
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:32,000
So to um there was a lot of things to
incorporate in our code which were not

431
00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:38,800
there. So to help streamline that
process, we looked to other agencies

432
00:36:35,359 --> 00:36:44,640
um that were similar in size. St. Helens
is over 10,000. So they were required to

433
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:48,000
implement these things about a year ago.
They've had some time to work through

434
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:54,480
the code. We looked at them. We seem to
have some good model code for us. So we

435
00:36:51,040 --> 00:37:02,240
use that as the as the base for the red
line update to our chapter 1322.

436
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:06,880
And those things essentially added
definitions

437
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:10,400
um some f additional findings and policy
um public and private maintenance

438
00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:14,640
responsibilities
and then of course the water quality and

439
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:18,960
elicit um discharge prohibitions permit
compliance bill remediation the other

440
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:23,359
things I mentioned earlier
inspections and enforcement

441
00:37:21,359 --> 00:37:27,839
um in order to meet those IDE
requirements.

442
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:32,960
The amendment does not change any
provisions regarding storm water rates.

443
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:38,000
Those are being kept the same.
Um so our recommendation to council is

444
00:37:35,839 --> 00:37:44,240
to approve the ordinance amending
scapuse municipal code chapter 1322 as

445
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:49,839
presented. It's it's um attached in your
packet says exhibit A. Everything that's

446
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:56,320
been changed is underlined and in red
text so you can kind of page through and

447
00:37:52,240 --> 00:38:00,560
see what things were added. Um it's um
so

448
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:06,720
there any questions?
>> Um yeah I what is um what is under

449
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:10,480
enforcement provisions?
>> The enforcement provisions

450
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:16,079
» yeah what is that what do you define?
>> Um will they're already have an

451
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:19,520
obligation to do like private property
owners are already required to do

452
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:23,200
maintenance on their storm facilities.
This would allow us uh an enforcement

453
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:31,680
tool
um uh to that. Um it it it identifies

454
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:36,160
the a V amount which previously we
didn't have for that was storm water

455
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:42,079
specific.
Um it names the

456
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:46,800
um uh right now the enforcement will be
through our nuisance code. So it

457
00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:51,599
references that code essentially. So
we'll be using other code. We may we

458
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:55,440
might provide more clarity um to this
chapter in the future to have um

459
00:38:53,760 --> 00:39:00,320
enforcement called out more specifically
here but for now we're using our

460
00:38:57,119 --> 00:39:05,280
existing code for that. Um the other
thing is it identifies fines for elicit

461
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:09,119
discharge which we don't really have
identified. Traditionally that would

462
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:13,040
have been handled through the DEEQ. We
would have notified them and then they

463
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:18,880
would they would investigate and issue
some enforcement action.

464
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:26,079
» Okay. Thank you. One question I have is
um kind of modeling it after St. Helens.

465
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:32,400
You did say they're over 10,000. Um
so are we using their old plan? I mean

466
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:36,079
is it more stringent? I mean are we
we're still at the under 10,000 planning

467
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:42,000
phase?
>> They're um they're essentially

468
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:48,680
I mean with regard to this it's
essentially the same. will be meeting

469
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:48,680
the same standard as they are.

470
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:58,240
» Do we have resources to enforce this?
Those those um those issues are in

471
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:03,520
discussion.
We currently do not. Well, we do through

472
00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:09,040
our code enforcement officer. And so
that's that's how this that's how it

473
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:13,040
will um there's some additional
updates that we'll be doing that are

474
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:19,920
required to be done over the next few
years that will that will require um

475
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:25,839
more routine inspections similar to what
the DQ requires for um construction

476
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:30,720
store 1200 C if you're familiar with
that. We we don't necessarily have all

477
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:34,400
the resources in place for that but
we've got some years to figure it out.

478
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:41,599
Uh Chris, what what's what's our history
of testing for mercury in the community

479
00:40:39,359 --> 00:40:45,119
uh storm water?
>> We don't have any we don't have any

480
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:49,040
history of that
>> any historical testing at all

481
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:52,320
» and and I don't believe the DQ actually
tested in our reach of

482
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:56,400
» I noticed that on their on their chart.
They just nothing close to us. But we we

483
00:40:54,400 --> 00:41:01,200
have no testing of mercury in our
>> we've done testing over the years on

484
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:03,680
channel and wastewater effluent. That's
the

485
00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:09,440
» Okay. So, we have gotten the test out of
our upload to the channel. Yeah. Okay.

486
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:13,359
» I did I did make that suggestion that we
do some, you know, analytics that go

487
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:18,720
along with this and the temperature
because we have a temperature TML we're

488
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:23,760
having to write code for. Um that we
would, you know, do some testing um at

489
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:26,720
South Scampoo Creek coming into the city
and then as it leaves the city. Good.

490
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:31,760
» Because that would give us some really
good baseline data to know if we're

491
00:41:28,319 --> 00:41:37,599
making progress. Um
and possibly to somewhat um you know

492
00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:42,800
reduce the burden on the city if they're
like you know you know making steps to

493
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:46,960
um make things better or if there's just
no change essentially. But the DQ wants

494
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:50,560
all of these things implemented
regardless of those levels.

495
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,839
» Good.
>> But I I do agree that that some testing

496
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:59,119
would be good.
>> Yeah. And we have been in discussions

497
00:41:55,599 --> 00:42:07,359
with the Scapus Bay Watershed Council
executive director to do some testing.

498
00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:10,640
And so um we would probably do that um
you know over the next few years just to

499
00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:13,760
get some baseline data. I think that
would be a great idea.

500
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:18,800
» Okay.
>> And if we're found to be over the

501
00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:24,000
limits, what are the mitigation steps
that can be taken? Well, we're not

502
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:28,480
really we're not really over a limit.
Although we don't know, right? Because

503
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:33,520
we could be there could be stuff coming
to us that I don't think anything from

504
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:38,720
Scapus is causing an issue, but we could
have waters coming to us that are

505
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:44,319
because it's that basin is in a heavily
logged area. And so basically what

506
00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:49,359
you're trying to do is control erosion
and sediment

507
00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:55,040
uh because that transports mercury. So
in so much as we can control um you know

508
00:42:52,560 --> 00:43:01,119
sediment loading in the creek then we'll
then we should see you know we shouldn't

509
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:05,200
see a problem here. Um
you know even during high storm events

510
00:43:03,359 --> 00:43:08,560
we don't get a lot of erosion in the
creek which is kind of good news. I

511
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:13,680
think
we we try to obviously those sources

512
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:18,880
from within the city are he heavily
regulated you know as as projects get

513
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:23,920
developed they have you know strict
controls over runoff.

514
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:30,640
Um if we do find levels that are
elevated um we would certainly discuss

515
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:34,800
that with the DEQ.
So right now I think that they're

516
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:37,760
probably non-detectable
because again it's all related to

517
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:41,920
sediment transport.
>> Yeah, I I I would guess that they're

518
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:47,200
probably more likely in south north
scapulas creek and south scapulas creek

519
00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:50,720
because of the whole rail activities and
development up the up the canyon and

520
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:56,560
» right
with that.

521
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:59,599
» So um just so did you get your answer
did he answer your question? Well, it

522
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:05,599
sounds like the city wouldn't be
obligated to do a lot of extraordinary

523
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:08,720
mitigation efforts if we had higher
levels.

524
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:12,160
» Yeah, we're already doing essentially
we're already kind of doing all of these

525
00:44:10,319 --> 00:44:17,359
things anyway. We're just not it's just
not being um documented. I mean,

526
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:21,920
everything down to an acre is being
managed ex, you know, how this code is

527
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:26,000
written. Um we're just regulating it now
down to a half an acre.

528
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:30,480
» Okay. And so it's it's just more it's
just a more stringent, you know, so now

529
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:34,880
it's getting regulated down to smaller
developments which essentially are

530
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:39,359
already doing these these things anyway.
So it's more of a documentation

531
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:42,960
exercise.
>> So did you say we're not documented or

532
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:46,640
we will document?
>> We would under this you're sort of

533
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:50,880
having to document and
>> Okay. So Okay, good. That's okay. Great.

534
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:55,680
» Yeah. So, it's just more I mean, these
things are happening, but they're more

535
00:44:53,599 --> 00:45:00,240
they're just, you know, people are
observing if activities

536
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:03,119
um might cause an issue and they're
making contractors correct those issues,

537
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,880
» okay,
>> in the field. They're not like writing

538
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:12,319
it in a log book. This this would
essentially require that and then and

539
00:45:09,359 --> 00:45:18,640
then reporting back to the DQ on
failures and and you know, and reporting

540
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:24,240
on the remediation. Yeah, I guess I
guess what when uh councelor Holmes

541
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:28,880
asked that question, I also thought like
who who would be responsible who you

542
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:33,280
know obviously investigation who who
pays for what if something happens if

543
00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:38,720
something bad happens or we get the
water gets contaminated you know

544
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:42,400
who's at fault and so we do have
processes in place for those and that's

545
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:47,839
what this ordinance about right
>> yes and the and the enforcement piece

546
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:52,480
would um there's a there's fines
And then there's also whatever costs are

547
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:55,760
related to cleaning up those elicit
discharges because it could be many

548
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,760
other things too, you know,
>> and that would be your department,

549
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:02,800
Chris.
>> We would have code enforcement handle

550
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:05,280
the enforcement and then it would go
through the court system for the fines.

551
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:09,119
» Court system. Okay.
>> Yeah.

552
00:46:06,319 --> 00:46:11,680
» Thank you.
>> We need to

553
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:14,800
» Yeah. Let me add uh first this is a
public hearing. So if there's no more

554
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:18,960
questions, I will open up a public
hearing.

555
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:21,119
Anybody has any comments or anything
public

556
00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:25,920
» and online?
>> Nope. Okay, we will close the public

557
00:46:23,359 --> 00:46:29,520
hearing. Uh my question then is kind of
looking at this as being a first

558
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:33,680
reading, second reading. Is this like
normal Ben where we will do a a motion

559
00:46:31,839 --> 00:46:35,760
and a second and then stop and come back
and read it, finish it at the next

560
00:46:35,359 --> 00:46:39,040
meeting?
>> Yeah.

561
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:44,240
um
not an emergency type where you have the

562
00:46:41,119 --> 00:46:46,079
30 days you're talking about time.
>> Mr. Mayor,

563
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:49,440
» yes, Council President Miller,
>> I move that council approve ordinance or

564
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:52,800
we are still making the first motion
though, right? Yeah. Okay. I move that

565
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:57,119
council approve ordinance number 928
amending Scapus Municipal Code Chapter

566
00:46:55,200 --> 00:47:00,319
13.22
storm water management.

567
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:06,319
» Have a motion by council president
Miller to approve ordinance 928 amending

568
00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:09,119
scapoo municipal code 13.22 22 storm
water management as presented. Any

569
00:47:08,319 --> 00:47:13,520
second?
>> Second.

570
00:47:10,319 --> 00:47:16,800
» Second, Marquee. Council Marquee. Okay,
we'll leave it there as a first reading

571
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:21,920
and we'll come back to the next meeting
and discuss further take a vote.

572
00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:26,007
» Thank you very much, Chris.
>> Thank you.

573
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:30,079
» Thank you, Mr. City Manager. [laughter]
[clears throat]

574
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:35,119
» Besides uh asking about the bioolids,
we're here for change order Keith Road.

575
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:38,800
Um we're joined today by public works
director Kevin Turner and the contract

576
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:44,480
administrator Matia Malberg with the
staff report on the change order.

577
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:48,800
» Good evening, mayor and council. Uh
we're here to discuss the change order

578
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:53,280
tonight and Matia has been doing a great
job with contracting and tracking and

579
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:57,119
development of those. So she's going to
go over tonight's change order and then

580
00:47:55,359 --> 00:48:03,040
I'll be available for any questions you
have on those projects.

581
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:09,280
» Good evening. Um, so this project has
been going on since 2024 and we are in

582
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:13,119
the final wrap-up stages. Um, there's a
lot of detail within that staff report

583
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:17,359
and I can certainly dive into that. Um,
but I figured I'd just give you guys

584
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:26,480
kind of an overview of what's happened.
Um, so since the contract was signed uh,

585
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:31,599
August 24 21st of 2024, there's been six
approved change orders. Those are listed

586
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:37,040
out within that staff uh report and they
detail the amount of those um and what

587
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:42,200
they were for. Combined, the total for
those six change orders is just

588
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,200
$12,889.92.

589
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:50,720
This proposed change order, which is
number seven, includes the completion of

590
00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:55,760
waterline work at depths greater than
depicted on the contract drawings,

591
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:59,920
resulting in additional time, labor,
equipment, materials, and fees. And the

592
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:02,920
proposed cost of this change order is
$35,10014151.

593
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:13,559
Stop is requesting changing the total
not to exceed amount to 8,897,889.92

594
00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:23,920
to cover the currently requested changes
from MEI and any unforeseen additional

595
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:28,240
changes that should arise during the
completion of this project. While there

596
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:34,559
are no anticipated future change orders
in these final stages, staff is also

597
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:38,400
requesting that city manager Bergner be
authorized to execute any additional

598
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:43,119
change orders up to his limit to ensure
the timely completion of the project.

599
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:48,000
The council approve approved a special
works

600
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:53,200
fund loan on November 18th of 2024 with
resolution 2417

601
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:58,680
for the amount of $2.95 million.
Remaining funds currently sit at

602
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,680
$955,843.

603
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:09,559
The estimated remaining amount to be
invoiced, which does include this change

604
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:09,559
order request from MEI, is $439,60.72.

605
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:21,079
So staff is recommending that council
approve authorizing city manager Bergner

606
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:21,079
a not to exceed budget of 8,89789.92

607
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:30,800
for me an authorization to execute any
additional change orders within his

608
00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:34,760
limit for the purpose of completing the
keys reservoir project.

609
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:42,319
» Is this within your limit now? I mean
>> normally to 35,000.

610
00:50:40,319 --> 00:50:49,440
» Yes, it would have normally. My my limit
is 75, but because the prior agreement

611
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:55,839
had a limit of a a total $8 million
flush project, it it really falls into

612
00:50:51,520 --> 00:51:00,000
that approval. Um so yeah, it's
typically I mean we talked about this at

613
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:02,800
the prior meeting um and the way we're
looking at maybe adjusting the

614
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:06,480
procurement in the in the future would
be to have that similar to where you

615
00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:11,680
have the overall project but then on
small ones we can you know on a on a $9

616
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:15,200
million project 50,75 is not really a
whole lot um compared to the rest of the

617
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:18,880
project and it's very possible to hit
those and change orders. We hope they

618
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:23,119
don't. This one has stayed pretty low
relatively to the rest of the project

619
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:26,960
only at just over 40,000
uh for the total of the project thus far

620
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:31,920
and that's all we're anticipating at
this point. But it does um yeah where

621
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:34,880
normally we could adjust or approve
these because of the way we've

622
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:41,040
structured this in the past. We have to
come back for a smaller approval.

623
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:43,839
» Does um is this about done? I mean we we
are we using it yet?

624
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:50,400
» We're not using it yet but the reservoir
is full. Uh we're waiting on telemetry

625
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:54,000
connections and a valve swap on the
exterior new reservoir.

626
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:56,640
» So will it be used in September,
October? I mean if

627
00:51:54,960 --> 00:52:02,319
» Oh yeah, we're we're just a few weeks
away from completion.

628
00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:05,839
» Really drowning season. Um and no, we
still have money available on the loan.

629
00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:10,960
How it reads?
>> That's correct.

630
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:16,720
event. And were these changes done uh
requested by the city or were they all

631
00:52:13,119 --> 00:52:20,800
changes uh done by the contractor requ
that they needed to make these changes?

632
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:24,480
» The contractor is construction project.
There's always changes to it. The

633
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:29,520
biggest one was the the depth of the
pipe. The main cluster of valves was

634
00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:33,839
additional 10 ft. They started getting
into that around January. So there's a

635
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:37,520
lot of dewatering and just mud they had
to deal with to get to that.

636
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:42,559
Did they anticipate or put it part of
the proposal? Did or was that part

637
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:47,520
» it was labeled wrong. It was identified
at a wrong depth in in the proposal. The

638
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:53,680
proposal the old plans from whenever
that was built were not accurate.

639
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:57,599
» So So Kevin, so who was who was
responsible for the inaccuracy?

640
00:52:56,160 --> 00:53:03,280
The contractor.
>> I guess it would be the original plans

641
00:52:59,839 --> 00:53:09,040
and I don't know the date of that. 78 I
believe. So th those plans didn't match

642
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:13,119
the depth when they did their
calculations,

643
00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:18,079
» right? So can we recover anything from
that that contract for for for this

644
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:21,760
error?
>> You know, I I don't know if there was

645
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:25,280
additional soil brought on after the
fact that changed those depths. I I

646
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:30,480
don't have that information. And in
these larger projects, it's very common

647
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:33,520
to not I mean, even the best engineers
try to do their best they can while

648
00:53:31,839 --> 00:53:39,440
they're creating these. But when you get
on the project in person, there's always

649
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:43,280
on-site unknowns that weren't identified
because it's under the ground. We just

650
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:46,720
have no clue what's there or it was
maybe years of dirt that have

651
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:51,599
accumulated or there's so many different
I you said 70 1970 something.

652
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:56,960
future reference. Can we build that into
our contracts so that we that the

653
00:53:54,720 --> 00:54:02,160
contractor eats this?
>> It it all depends on if it's really a

654
00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:05,680
fault of theirs or a fault of ours um or
it's just an unknown and no party knew

655
00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:09,599
about it typically. So, for example, we
had a um a [clears throat] valve that

656
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:12,720
needed to be replaced that we were
looking at a change over of 180

657
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:17,760
» $180,000
>> $180,000. As we went through that, we

658
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:21,440
found out there was an error on the um
that there was a separate error that was

659
00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:26,079
actually on the the contractor's side.
And so we were able to recover that and

660
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:28,640
say, "Hey, this was your error." And so
they went down and fixed and it was a

661
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:33,119
separate thing that actually caused the
issue. It wasn't what we had originally

662
00:54:29,839 --> 00:54:37,040
thought, but it it did um save the city
an $180,000 change order because we were

663
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:42,240
able to identify that. So we do that
quite often if it is clearly their

664
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:44,960
fault. um something that they did that
they should have known or that it was

665
00:54:43,839 --> 00:54:48,319
because of their own actions, we can
usually recover those. It's just really

666
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:53,920
when it comes down to the unknown of
plans from the city side or um a

667
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:58,400
contract from 1970
that's pretty hard to recover 40 years

668
00:54:56,240 --> 00:55:03,119
later who really is at fault on that
one. It's just unknown.

669
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:07,280
» So I I have a sorry something to
clarify. So the the engineering plans

670
00:55:05,359 --> 00:55:13,839
were done in the 70s. Is am I hearing
that correctly? Okay, that portion of

671
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:17,680
the plant is 1978 I believe 7778.
>> I add too that had had the contractor

672
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:21,200
known that there was the additional
depth of the piping they just their

673
00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:25,760
contract value originally would have
been more anyway essentially what you're

674
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:28,880
seeing
I mean what might have been slightly

675
00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:31,599
less but they would have accounted for
that.

676
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:34,079
» So is this below the new reservoir or
this below the building? Is this below

677
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:38,160
the old reservoir?
>> It's in between the building and the

678
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:44,160
reservoir. It's the main valve cluster
that valves the processed water to the 3

679
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:47,839
million gallon reservoir or the 2
million gallon reservoir.

680
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:53,280
And these were part of the engineering
plans for the new reservoir that were

681
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:57,599
done in the 70s. Yes, those original
elevations were taken from those plans

682
00:55:55,200 --> 00:56:03,359
and then
those current project plans weren't made

683
00:55:59,359 --> 00:56:05,839
in the 70s, but the information they got
>> were from the plans that were left in

684
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:11,040
the 70s.
>> The original plans and they don't dig

685
00:56:09,119 --> 00:56:14,559
down to get those depths for the new
plans. They go off the old plans and

686
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:18,720
sometimes
>> those aren't updated. I mean, these days

687
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:22,720
we do a better job of making changes. if
there was something they ran into back

688
00:56:20,319 --> 00:56:28,880
then, they had to change the elevation
in the field and that didn't get updated

689
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:32,640
to the plan. That happens occasionally.
>> Okay.

690
00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:38,559
» In terms of the reference to the
authorizing the city manager um uh to

691
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:43,200
just prove the change orders up to the
limit, could we make it I think this

692
00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:48,319
could be read one of two ways. It could
be read that in total the change orders

693
00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:53,200
could sum up to 75,000 or for each
request as long as it's under 75,000.

694
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:56,240
» I I would dictate totality would be
within that. I mean that would be of the

695
00:56:54,559 --> 00:57:00,000
project. I wouldn't be able to do
individual for something like this.

696
00:56:58,319 --> 00:57:04,160
That's how I'd recommend doing it since
it is such a big project. It just be for

697
00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:07,839
the small oneoffs or you know if we need
to do something quick that at least

698
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:11,440
gives us that flexibility. But anything
above and beyond that we'd have to or

699
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:16,880
after several that we have to bring it
back to the council and obviously give

700
00:57:13,359 --> 00:57:18,640
them an update and explain next route
from there.

701
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:22,000
» Yeah. And I would be comfortable with
that because if you look at all seven

702
00:57:19,839 --> 00:57:27,359
change orders, they still don't up to
75,000. So I think that is a a good way

703
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:31,280
to proceed efficiently. But we'll just
should make that clear.

704
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:34,760
» And there's no realistic way we get MEI
to eat this.

705
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:38,960
Well,
>> it's not really MEI's issue.

706
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:41,119
» Yeah.
>> That it's just something they had to

707
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:45,839
deal with.
>> Well, right. But they have they they bid

708
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:49,839
on a not to exceed mount and then you
have the change orders which are are we

709
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:54,079
already passed. But then this is
something new. I a company should

710
00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:57,599
anticipate those kinds of things when
they when they make a bid on a not to

711
00:57:55,599 --> 00:58:00,640
exceed project. That that was that was
my point is

712
00:57:58,559 --> 00:58:04,799
» sure any way we can get them to eat
that. Well, it does depend on what the

713
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:09,119
contract language says, too. I'm sure
there's there is some caveats built into

714
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:12,319
that, but without knowing what that is,
I you know,

715
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:17,040
» no, that that was my question. So, there
is no way we can we can carve that out.

716
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:21,200
» No, not I mean there there's no
identified their fault issue difference

717
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:23,760
in the plan. They have to put more money
in than they anticipated. They didn't

718
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:27,920
have good information from us in the
first place to bid appropriately.

719
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:32,480
» They made it based on the plans we gave
them. They don't dig down and find out

720
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:35,599
where. So, we If we had told them 10
feet lower, they would have bid $35,000

721
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:39,200
higher. If
>> it was a couple feet off, I'm sure that

722
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:43,040
would have happened. But okay,
>> this is pretty significant.

723
00:58:41,359 --> 00:58:46,799
» But then I mean maybe your question
stems around what type of contingency

724
00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:50,000
was originally built into the contract
and have they run through their

725
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:52,240
contingency?
>> I'm I'm not sure on that one. That would

726
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:57,599
be
>> um to my knowledge, they haven't um run

727
00:58:55,520 --> 00:59:03,200
through their contingency at all. Even
to this day, we haven't even reached uh

728
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:09,440
reached the full amount that they have
to bill yet. So, even with this change

729
00:59:06,559 --> 00:59:13,920
order, we're still um well, minus the
change order, we still haven't reached

730
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:16,160
that not to exceed. That makes sense.
Sorry.

731
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:18,640
» So, there's still a possibility that it
could be under

732
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:24,400
» Yeah, there's still a possibility we
could be under that amount. Okay.

733
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:30,799
» But just not having them fully build us
yet. You're asking for about a 50,000

734
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:39,119
increase to the not to exceed order.
About what it is 7,000 52,000.

735
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:42,799
» Uh I believe it's about like Yeah,
that's about right. A little bit under.

736
00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:45,599
» Mr. Mayor,
>> Council President Miller,

737
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:55,079
» I move that council authorize city
manager Bergener to not to exceed budget

738
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:55,079
of 8,89 or excuse me 8,897,8892

739
00:59:55,920 --> 01:00:02,720
cents for MEI and authorization to
execute any additional change orders

740
01:00:00,319 --> 01:00:07,359
within his limit
for the purpose of completing the Keys

741
01:00:05,119 --> 01:00:12,559
reservoir project. Do we need to add
some clarification? That's a total of

742
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:16,000
75,000 for all the change orders.
>> Okay. Thank you.

743
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:21,359
» I have a motion by council president
Miller to approve authorize city manager

744
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:24,359
bringer to not to exceed budget of
8,897,889

745
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:32,480
to 92 cents for me and authorization to
execute any additional change orders

746
01:00:30,319 --> 01:00:35,760
within his limits
for the purpose of completing the Keys

747
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:39,599
Reservoir project.
>> Any second? Second.

748
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:42,880
» Second by councelor Hogan. Any more
discussion?

749
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:48,400
Seeing none, all those in favor say by
saying I. I.

750
01:00:44,799 --> 01:00:52,319
» Opposed. Motion carries. Appreciate it.
>> Thank you.

751
01:00:49,599 --> 01:01:00,480
» Thank you.
>> Okay. Um, now we're on to our 2026 to

752
01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:05,440
2028 LOC legislative priorities. City
manager Van Ber with the staff report.

753
01:01:03,359 --> 01:01:09,440
» Awesome. Thank you. Um, and before I
start that, Tia, Kevin, Chris, thank you

754
01:01:07,599 --> 01:01:12,559
for your time. And Lori earlier for
everything that you guys have done, put

755
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:16,880
a lot of time into everything that you
you do and all these.

756
01:01:15,359 --> 01:01:21,040
» And I should add really quick, too, it's
the reservoir is looking really good. We

757
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:25,280
some of us drive by it, you know,
several times daily, and it looks very

758
01:01:22,799 --> 01:01:29,119
nice. Thank you. I've still just I'd
love to have it wrapped with trees

759
01:01:27,359 --> 01:01:33,119
paint, you know, paint re, you know,
I'll show you several on the map that

760
01:01:31,359 --> 01:01:38,680
we'll get a class up there painting it
or some mural group or something with

761
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:38,680
wrap it with green trees.

762
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:47,997
» That's a great idea.
>> Maybe an urban renewal project.

763
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:51,839
» Yeah, some trees up there.
[laughter and clears throat]

764
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:56,160
» Thank you very much.
Real quick.

765
01:01:52,960 --> 01:02:01,440
» All right. Um so League of Oregon Cities
uh priority list each every other year

766
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:05,839
the League of Oregon Cities sends out a
member voting guide detailing 20 well

767
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:10,400
this year it's 27 different legislative
uh policy priorities. These 27

768
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:13,760
priorities were created by seven legal
Oregon city policy committees that

769
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:20,079
consist of city officials throughout the
state of Oregon. Um we do have a

770
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:24,559
deadline to respond uh within by
September 25th. So, we don't have to

771
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:30,319
have an answer today. We could um make
final answers by the next council

772
01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:35,200
meeting if we wanted to. However, I'll
leave that with the council if there is

773
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:39,760
clear direction or if we want to do uh
votes offline and bring it back with a

774
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:44,799
summary of the votes. Uh the the purpose
of today's meeting or agenda item is

775
01:02:42,799 --> 01:02:48,160
mostly to discuss or have the each
council member have the opportunity to

776
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:51,520
discuss anything that they saw on there
that they should want to note for each

777
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:56,160
council member to consider that they
feel might be of importance. Um the goal

778
01:02:54,000 --> 01:03:01,200
here in the end of today either today
and next time or just today is to come

779
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:04,799
up with five top priorities that the
council would like to send on to the

780
01:03:02,559 --> 01:03:09,040
legal Oregon cities. They take these top
five five priorities that you submit and

781
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:12,960
they assemble those with all the rest of
the priorities from the other cities

782
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:16,960
that submit and they use that to uh
create their own priority list when they

783
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:21,359
go to do lobbying at the state
legislature of really where they want to

784
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:24,000
focus most their attention on. Um so
yeah, just because we submit the five

785
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:27,200
doesn't mean those will be their top
five, but it gives us a chance to be

786
01:03:25,359 --> 01:03:32,079
part of that process and to help
identify where we feel they should do.

787
01:03:29,839 --> 01:03:35,839
Another thing I want to accomplish that
we didn't do last time that would be

788
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:39,039
helpful is to go through each of the
priorities or at least identify if

789
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:44,319
there's any priorities you don't feel we
should have as um just for me. So if the

790
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:48,480
league organ cities reaches out and asks
us to provide support for against

791
01:03:46,079 --> 01:03:52,880
something I know where the council's
opinion is on that so I could jump in

792
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:57,599
and provide that on behalf of the city.
um even beyond the top five just so we

793
01:03:54,960 --> 01:04:01,680
kind of know a yay or nay or for this or
against this support this or not. Um

794
01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:06,799
that way it gives me direction separate
from this of how to work through the

795
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:08,799
legislative s session.
Any questions?

796
01:04:08,079 --> 01:04:13,039
» I mean
>> they there is a lot of good stuff in

797
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:19,599
there.
Um yeah some context in this I served on

798
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:25,839
two of the league's seven committees uh
and uh and there was a lot of contention

799
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:31,119
you know among throughout Oregon so um u
this is important you know so I my

800
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:35,680
suggestion at this point is to for us to
each ruminate on the ones that are

801
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:40,480
articulated here and there were actually
quite a few more beyond that that didn't

802
01:04:37,359 --> 01:04:45,440
make the list um and then rank them you
know for like like Ben suggested

803
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:49,520
Um and then maybe we each score our top
five and then the next meeting we can

804
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:55,039
kind of coales and see where where we
have agreement where we where we make

805
01:04:51,359 --> 01:04:58,640
some have a consensus on. I think that's
probably the one of the more efficient

806
01:04:56,640 --> 01:05:04,400
ways after committ after hours and hours
on these committees. Um it's uh you you

807
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:08,880
can't do that in you can't do this in in
in 20 minutes or an hour.

808
01:05:07,039 --> 01:05:12,720
» Absolutely. The reason that's what we
did last year and the reason I brought

809
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:16,720
this ahead of time was I felt it it
might be and maybe it's not necessary an

810
01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:19,440
opportunity for you to be able to at
least have a discussion before votes are

811
01:05:19,119 --> 01:05:21,520
done.
>> Yeah.

812
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:23,440
» Guess your own way to lobby for what you
think is most important before people

813
01:05:22,799 --> 01:05:27,039
vote for it.
>> But yeah, that's my suggestion. We we

814
01:05:25,119 --> 01:05:31,200
each go through this list and we send
our our amalgamation to you, right?

815
01:05:29,359 --> 01:05:35,280
» And then at the next meeting and we have
sill time by the 25th,

816
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:38,799
» right? Um then then we come up as as a
consensus of our five top five,

817
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:43,920
» right?
>> Hey Ben, do you can you remind us what

818
01:05:40,559 --> 01:05:49,200
we voted for last year and where we um
where did LLC um

819
01:05:47,359 --> 01:05:52,480
you know what did they uh actually
achieve with those?

820
01:05:50,559 --> 01:05:56,640
» I can get back to you on that. I don't
have those present. Um

821
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,799
the accurate information
>> that would be helpful.

822
01:05:57,359 --> 01:06:03,520
» Yeah, I can send that out after the
meeting. So if we had discussed a little

823
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:09,440
bit quickly about them and and and um
and then maybe send you our top five

824
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:12,720
» and then you can kind of give numbers
and if all of us said one of them then

825
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:16,400
we know we all are passionate about that
but then at the next meeting we can kind

826
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:22,160
of fine and come up. How many do you
want to submit to the LLC?

827
01:06:19,359 --> 01:06:25,760
» We we can only do top five to them but I
mean we can have as many.

828
01:06:23,359 --> 01:06:29,760
» Yeah. If you submit top five and you see
three of them were unanimous, then

829
01:06:27,599 --> 01:06:33,520
you'll know if they've for letters of
support or questions and you know how we

830
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:35,520
feel.
>> Um, [clears throat]

831
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:40,720
I'll just kind of start. I mean, they're
all good. The ones that I've heard a lot

832
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:47,039
of, you know, I'm on a on a um
on a task force right now about e uh

833
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:51,200
energy transmission capacity. And you
know, that's a big one for us is just

834
01:06:49,039 --> 01:06:55,359
that the transmission itself. We got a
lot of issues with power lines and stuff

835
01:06:53,119 --> 01:07:02,640
and I know it's it's all around the
state. Um so I to me that's an important

836
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:07,280
one I'd like to kind of look into more
um that directly affecting me because

837
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:11,839
I'm having to do meetings and stuff with
it.

838
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:16,319
What I had uh and you know we do public
meeting law clarity seems to come up a

839
01:07:13,839 --> 01:07:20,880
lot and and kind of changing in the
importance of it. So, I'm always wanting

840
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:25,440
to make sure we're above board and and
we're on we know any changes they make

841
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:32,319
or recommendations.
Um, so that's kind of a a big one that I

842
01:07:29,599 --> 01:07:37,200
hear a lot about.
And then infrastructure funding, loving

843
01:07:34,559 --> 01:07:41,359
to be able to like those direct funding
we got on ARPA dollars or money that we

844
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:46,480
could just use for our own decisions.
It's really good to be able to have some

845
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:52,880
money for our water and our storm water
and our wastewater facility.

846
01:07:50,079 --> 01:07:57,920
» Well, for me, it's almost on topics that
that we're struggling with statewide,

847
01:07:55,599 --> 01:08:02,079
which is and sometimes country, you
know, the country, but uh I know

848
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:07,520
transportation we're struggling with,
excuse me, dollars are being taken away

849
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:14,000
from like ODOT. So, um and then
workforce workforce development. So to

850
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:17,759
me that's, you know, most of what I do
and see it every day. So

851
01:08:15,839 --> 01:08:20,400
» I know on the transportation, they
almost passed that emergency tax bill

852
01:08:19,692 --> 01:08:24,080
[clears throat] in the middle of the
session. I mean, it's it's a big deal

853
01:08:22,239 --> 01:08:28,239
out there. We may not see it dayto day
on our own, but it's if you read about

854
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:37,279
it, it sounds like they're broke and
need definite fixing.

855
01:08:32,319 --> 01:08:41,440
» I think land use street lining will be
not all the time, but it's total mess.

856
01:08:49,839 --> 01:08:57,799
Yeah, we've always heard that Oregon's
land use laws are really complex and

857
01:08:54,799 --> 01:08:57,799
hard

858
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:05,839
» especially if she's trying to get us to
build a lot of housing.

859
01:09:03,679 --> 01:09:10,560
» Um, but they aren't giving you the tools
to have it done.

860
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:14,120
» Yeah. AI too,
>> the cyber security

861
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:39,359
complex. We have citizens, you know, are
literally cutting down, destroying

862
01:09:37,199 --> 01:09:45,839
uh it's reached the point where the
company itself is actually backtracking

863
01:09:41,839 --> 01:09:50,880
kind of damage public relation. So I
think this would be a prime

864
01:09:48,640 --> 01:10:00,239
to uh to implement some sort of
consistent coherent idea

865
01:09:55,600 --> 01:10:03,640
what they do how they do it how they
it's getting

866
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:07,400
some sort of leadership

867
01:10:12,239 --> 01:10:17,920
I guess I'll share my thoughts first of
all I'm a bit disappoint appointed that

868
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:20,080
there's not more meaningful ideas around
tax reform.

869
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:27,600
» That's my big [laughter]
>> like where are the long-term meaningful

870
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:32,239
solutions? So, um but uh more positively
the the things that really stood out to

871
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:36,560
me, the public meeting law clarity. Um,
I remember going through the public uh

872
01:10:34,719 --> 01:10:42,080
was it the Oregon Ethics Committee
training that we're all required to and

873
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:46,000
to do and um, you know, some of the the
newer reforms I think discourage people

874
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:48,800
from public service. There were people
on like planning committees and

875
01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:52,320
different jurisdictions who were like
this isn't worth it to me to be

876
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:55,840
personally liable, right? So, I think
that's a really important one. I think

877
01:10:54,320 --> 01:11:00,960
the land availability and land use
streamlining is also really important.

878
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:05,600
And then my other three really revolve
around energy. The energy resilience

879
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:09,679
disaster planning support expedited
local renewable energy generation and

880
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:15,199
support increased energy transmission. I
think these are some of the biggest

881
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:19,960
constraints for uh economic development
um and risk for communities.

882
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:28,000
» Some of these to me look like they're
not real obtainable. So,

883
01:11:26,159 --> 01:11:31,679
um, I would, you know, reading through
these, it's, I mean, these all sound

884
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:37,199
great, but I think we also need to be
realistic on I would rather see LOC put

885
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:41,679
their time into things that are likely
to be obtainable than

886
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:44,960
um, picking things and trying to
spearhead things that are a waste of

887
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:48,960
time, basically.
>> Or they need to stand out right off the

888
01:11:46,480 --> 01:11:54,480
bat. I think start
>> um, I just kind of skimmed over.

889
01:11:53,199 --> 01:11:59,120
It's kind of funny just listening to
everybody because, you know, based on

890
01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:02,800
their experience and what committees
they're involved in, you know, the

891
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:08,719
that's kind of their wheelhouse and so
they kind of,

892
01:12:04,239 --> 01:12:13,360
» no pun intended, flock to those
>> those topics. So, um, you know, like the

893
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:16,719
emergency communication system one
stands out to me because of my

894
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:20,480
background and being on the 901 board
and understanding, you know, the lack of

895
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:26,400
funding for,
um, those systems that, you know, every

896
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:32,080
10 years they're basically outdated.
So, um, I don't I would like to take a

897
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:34,800
strong a more in-depth look at these,
but

898
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:40,239
» yeah, I would maybe vote on your top
five in order of of employees and it is

899
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:46,400
funny. there isn't anything on policing
or safety or really um specifically I

900
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:50,880
mean and then the taxation is the big
one I I they've even kind of said it's

901
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:55,199
just too big for them to to but you got
to start somewhere if there is an issue

902
01:12:52,640 --> 01:13:00,800
and everyone says there is why can't you
at least start a you don't have to solve

903
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:04,640
it in the one year but you can start
getting people at the table and

904
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:09,120
» and it is the biggest issue that impacts
us so I agree with too big for LOC to

905
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:13,199
tackle
who's going to tackle it?

906
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:17,920
» But but that's the thing is, you know,
these five are important because because

907
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:21,040
we're, you know, those those are going
to be the focus of the lobbying effort

908
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:26,560
on on the legislature in the next
legislative session. So, you know, if we

909
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:31,679
if we can have our input and it aligns
with 75 or 80% of the other communities,

910
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:35,840
then we've got a much more forceful
argument. Um, and so, you know, putting

911
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:39,199
some thought into those, you know,
because I I I've got eight or 10 that

912
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:43,360
I'd really like to see there, but I know
it has to be, you know, down to five.

913
01:13:41,440 --> 01:13:47,440
And so, I think that's where we have to
think about this and I I like this this

914
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:52,000
kind of Ben's suggestion of just having
a spreadsheet and and list them, you

915
01:13:49,679 --> 01:13:56,480
know, this one.
Yes. You know, so, you know, that kind

916
01:13:54,159 --> 01:13:59,520
of thumbs up approach. And I think when
we we melt together just from market

917
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:03,520
listening the conversation I think
there's three or four or at least two or

918
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:07,280
three we all we all are going to agree
on.

919
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:10,800
» You look up last year's they went or two
years ago they went and they fought for

920
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:16,400
five things and be interesting to see
what they are. One of them was the tax

921
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:20,400
on hotels being able cities have more
ability to do that. They kind of died in

922
01:14:18,480 --> 01:14:24,080
committee and and one was a
transportation one. So you kind of see

923
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:28,640
what they fought for and which ones
didn't get out of committee and which

924
01:14:26,159 --> 01:14:32,320
ones they got. They won some things. The
recreation immunity one was a big one,

925
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:35,679
» right? And they don't just focus on the
top five. That's just kind of gives them

926
01:14:33,679 --> 01:14:38,800
their main priority, but they they do
lobby for the rest of them as well as

927
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:44,320
they come up. You know, they did have
some success and they and we had um

928
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:47,440
Patty do a presentation
um or some from the organization show

929
01:14:46,159 --> 01:14:51,440
what they had done and what they had
accomplished out of those. A couple of

930
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:57,520
considerations for that staff. I haven't
got it from all the directors yet, but

931
01:14:53,280 --> 01:15:01,040
they had mentioned um as notable the
maintaining the local control of a safe

932
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:04,880
and modern rideway. So that affects like
our franchise agreements taking away our

933
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:08,159
ability to charge on those. Uh
telecommunications has been a huge one

934
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:14,400
nationwide that has been trying to fight
that. Um, but it is our right away, our

935
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:16,800
land, and the goal, I guess, is there's
those who are trying to take away that

936
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:23,280
ability for us to have franchise
agreements or the ability to um

937
01:15:21,199 --> 01:15:25,040
control those as much take away some of
that.

938
01:15:23,679 --> 01:15:27,679
» I have a question. Uh, am I
understanding correctly that you're

939
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:30,400
going to send something out and have us
vote?

940
01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:33,600
» Yep. I'm just giving considerations for
thoughts and then we were gonna Yeah,

941
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:36,080
we're going to do the one through five.
I'm going to tally them together and

942
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:42,640
then we'll have additional discussion
next time. So would it be um realistic

943
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:48,719
with your time to also just put I don't
know if you want to do like a graded

944
01:15:45,679 --> 01:15:52,800
assessment on what you think the
likelihood of I mean I want to spend I

945
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:57,600
want to make a recommendation for them
to use their time wisely on something

946
01:15:54,400 --> 01:16:00,640
that's going to return something that is
actually

947
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:03,600
I want to I want to advocate for
something that's achievable. So yeah, I

948
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:07,199
could I could maybe give a little bit of
that input of if it's a near-term or

949
01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:11,360
long term. You know, for example, you
mentioned about the taxation um wanting

950
01:16:09,440 --> 01:16:15,600
that in there some of the issues. So the
legal organities is going through a

951
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:18,800
process for that. However, for the
actual legislative session, they're very

952
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:21,440
limited because it's a charter amendment
they have to go through. So it's a

953
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:25,679
voter, it has to go out to the voters.
So when they actually are going to do

954
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:29,600
something, they want to send that out
and knowing that the states voters are

955
01:16:27,679 --> 01:16:32,719
going to approve it, not just try to get
the legislation behind it because they

956
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:36,800
can't do a whole lot with it at maybe
just that session. Then maybe they could

957
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:41,360
have some type of adjustments. I don't
know the limits of that, but I do know

958
01:16:38,480 --> 01:16:45,199
they are um
bound. It's pretty difficult on that one

959
01:16:43,679 --> 01:16:51,760
because it is in the state charter of
how that is working with those taxes.

960
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:55,440
But yeah, I I could um
a lot of them I may not know uh if it's

961
01:16:53,920 --> 01:17:01,920
I mean some of these I don't deal with
directly. So as you might have to make

962
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:05,120
your own decision on that. Um yeah, so
and I can send out the rest with the the

963
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:09,280
staff as well just kind of showing where
those are at. Oh, we'll go through that

964
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:13,120
next time. The other one that really
stood out um well I'll just name them

965
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:17,280
the ones that they put down. So the
rightway the cyber security proficiency

966
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:21,440
the public meeting laws. So a lot of
what you guys had mentioned already um

967
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:24,640
there was a mention of the shelter and
homeless response full funding and

968
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:29,360
streamlining for housing production and
land availability. So all three of the

969
01:17:26,719 --> 01:17:32,960
housing land use ones their support for
several of the energy and environment

970
01:17:30,719 --> 01:17:36,400
committee. Obviously we have a um
transmission issue in our county and

971
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:40,320
that affects the businesses that come
into town or the ability to give them

972
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:44,159
electricity. So that was mentioned.
Emergency communication system resource

973
01:17:42,159 --> 01:17:48,400
was mentioned. uh the autonomous
vehicles cautious adoption and

974
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:52,480
infrastructure funding were the the ones
that they had identified and and like

975
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:55,520
you said it is interesting because the
response I got from them were within

976
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:58,400
their own wheelhouse as well. I mean,
you have public works looking at public

977
01:17:57,040 --> 01:18:03,120
works stuff, planning, look at planning
stuff. Um, I think there's a lot of good

978
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:05,360
stuff in here. It's just ultimately what
you want to submit.

979
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:09,360
» That's good. I wouldn't really thought
much about modern right away, but then

980
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:13,679
when you see that it's also the revenue
derived from the use of that and that's

981
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:15,679
good to hear that that does affect us
directly.

982
01:18:14,239 --> 01:18:19,920
» Right. Well, our biggest challenge is
funding. Is that an accurate statement

983
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:23,360
for all the cities? Really, all the
smaller cities basically

984
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:27,360
» usually um unfunded mandates which goes
back to funding. We mentioned that with

985
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:31,440
the the storm water today, they make new
regulations. Do we have the people who

986
01:18:28,719 --> 01:18:35,120
can actually enforce it? Um yeah,
infrastructure control. A lot of the

987
01:18:32,719 --> 01:18:40,320
things that hit us are around funding or
the ability to

988
01:18:37,199 --> 01:18:43,920
um to get their
>> other than the public meetings law is

989
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:47,120
not funding one
>> and power for us

990
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:51,199
» transmission. It's funding for the PUB
they need, but it is what gets in the

991
01:18:49,199 --> 01:18:57,040
way of it because talking to the PUD, I
mean, it's $20 million plus if they get

992
01:18:54,640 --> 01:19:01,440
Bonavville to actually support
systemwide, this will be a big hit for

993
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:03,760
our county that we'd have to um deal
with. So,

994
01:19:02,159 --> 01:19:08,480
» all these probably kind of go back to
funding except public meetings, but

995
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:13,199
it's, you know, shelter and homeless and
the funding for that, the revenue from

996
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:17,840
alcohol, that's revenue. the local, you
know, the rightway. I mean, all these

997
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:22,800
kind of come back to a funding issue.
>> Instead of addressing the tax,

998
01:19:20,719 --> 01:19:27,120
how we tax, they want to do all these
other little

999
01:19:25,440 --> 01:19:29,520
» Okay. Any more?
>> No. If there's any more discussion for

1000
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:32,320
you, I just I just want to have the
conversation. You guys had a chance to

1001
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:35,679
just talk about them. Any questions you
have about any of them, and then like

1002
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:39,840
Yeah. So, if you just want to get me
your top five, uh, just email them to me

1003
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:44,480
in the next couple weeks. Read through
those, ask me questions. Um, you could

1004
01:19:42,480 --> 01:19:48,159
go back and review the meeting or I can
send out the results of their last time

1005
01:19:46,159 --> 01:19:55,360
with what five that we voted on last
year. So, I'll send that out. Um, yeah.

1006
01:19:53,199 --> 01:20:02,080
» Has LC in their meetings. I have I
haven't attended the last one. Um, have

1007
01:19:58,480 --> 01:20:05,440
they presented and said, "Well, it seems
like these are the ones that we can

1008
01:20:03,679 --> 01:20:10,400
actually,
you know, um,

1009
01:20:08,239 --> 01:20:16,239
advocate for." and then that they seemed
like they were a possibility to pass

1010
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:19,120
um or anything like that like
>> no they haven't I mean all these went

1011
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:22,719
through the policy committees of what
cities are facing um so they already

1012
01:20:21,440 --> 01:20:27,760
have some type they already have some
poor direction that these are important

1013
01:20:24,480 --> 01:20:32,640
and have a direction that they want to
support to move towards some of them may

1014
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:35,280
be longer than others as far as timeline
to get something done

1015
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:40,719
um
>> I just like to you I forgot her name um

1016
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:45,199
she's the one that uh was talks about
all the legislation or the update.

1017
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:49,520
» No, the um
>> I think sometimes uh does that as well?

1018
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:51,920
I
>> think she has like red hair.

1019
01:20:51,199 --> 01:20:57,440
» Oh,
>> anyways, I think it'd be good to get her

1020
01:20:54,080 --> 01:21:00,159
opinion. Is it not Jessica? Is it
>> I have a whole lobbying team. So, it

1021
01:20:58,719 --> 01:21:01,760
just depends on who came to that
meeting.

1022
01:21:00,480 --> 01:21:04,960
» Can we reach out to them?
>> Yeah, you guys can reach out

1023
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:11,520
» by all means.
>> Good. Thank you.

1024
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:15,840
Okay, thank you. Uh, moving on. Uh,
looking at cancelling the right after

1025
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:19,920
Labor Day, September 8th, city council
meeting. Anything pressing that we need

1026
01:21:18,159 --> 01:21:22,320
to
we will be missing. Are we still good on

1027
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:26,800
that?
>> Okay, good.

1028
01:21:23,440 --> 01:21:31,120
» Caught up on this year plan. Everything
good?

1029
01:21:28,480 --> 01:21:36,159
All right.
Um, I guess we've stuck to voting on

1030
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:41,600
that. Does anybody have a motion to
cancel September 8th meeting?

1031
01:21:39,199 --> 01:21:45,360
» That is right after Labor Day.
>> And with that, I mean, that means staff,

1032
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:50,560
everybody has to get their reports in.
Yeah.

1033
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:54,320
» And um and and it's harder for us to
look at a lot of notes if we're out of

1034
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:57,920
town on the three-day weekends, and if
there's nothing pressing, it costs money

1035
01:21:56,080 --> 01:22:02,800
every time we have a meeting. So, we've
been doing pretty good right now. Um

1036
01:22:00,639 --> 01:22:06,480
definitely willing to go to two meetings
and get the business done especially if

1037
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:11,120
it starts to pick up as the year
progressive progressive.

1038
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:14,480
» Mr. Mayor, I move the we council on
September. [clears throat]

1039
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:19,600
» Councelor Han makes a motion to council
the September 8, 2026 city council

1040
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:24,480
meeting. Second by councelor Rayuda. Any
more discussion? Seeing none, all those

1041
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:29,440
in favor state by saying I. I
>> oppose.

1042
01:22:26,159 --> 01:22:33,560
Carries. Thank you. Um, we're on to the
calendar. August

1043
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:41,920
17th. Okay. For the rest of the month,
we do have still movies in the park the

1044
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:49,199
last two Fridays in August and the
Scaven Farmers Market 9 to 2 every

1045
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:52,960
Saturday in August and September. Uh,
looks like right now the next council

1046
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:56,800
work session at 6:00 p.m. followed by
council meeting at 7 p.m. on September

1047
01:22:55,280 --> 01:23:03,120
21st.
That's it for the calendar update. City

1048
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:07,600
manager Ben Bergen, any updates?
>> Yeah. Um, just first of all, it's it's

1049
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:12,080
always exciting um to work with the
staff that we do have. Um, Kevin Turner

1050
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:16,719
is here, the new public works director.
He's really had a lot on his plate. He's

1051
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:20,080
come over uh taken over that position
just to see how he's already thriving

1052
01:23:18,719 --> 01:23:25,280
and the different things that we've been
able to do since he has come in. Uh,

1053
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:27,840
it's been really great to see. I hope
the community has had a chance to go out

1054
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:32,000
and see the progress of the playground
that is being built. It looks really

1055
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:35,520
good. Um, people have utilized the
pickle ball temporary courts that we

1056
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:40,080
have in there as well as the disc golf
course that is all new within the last

1057
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:44,960
month and a half. So, a lot of uh areas
on the parks, a lot of infrastructure

1058
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:47,520
upgrades and improvements. Uh, we're
excited with the basalt well, actually

1059
01:23:46,159 --> 01:23:51,760
getting down to the basalt well, which
is further than we've been before. They

1060
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:57,600
will be getting that secured. Um then
you get down to they're at 85ish

1061
01:23:54,480 --> 01:24:02,639
feet and then you get down to 800
a little over 820 to actually secure uh

1062
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:06,000
the
um the casing

1063
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:08,880
water. Yeah.
>> Not not yet. No, they need to get the

1064
01:24:07,440 --> 01:24:12,239
casing in there and secure it actually
in the basalt layer before they're going

1065
01:24:10,159 --> 01:24:17,040
to drill down and actually look for the
water um beyond that. So they've gotten

1066
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:19,600
further than we were able to get in the
past. It was really good to see that

1067
01:24:18,159 --> 01:24:23,199
progress cuz we got past all the major
obstacles that we've hit. From this

1068
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:29,120
point on, it's it's really drilling down
and they're contract to go down to,200

1069
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:34,239
ft. So, we've got a good room to go with
that. Um hopefully we hit something in

1070
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:37,920
less than that. But, uh we are excited
to see that progress and moving forwards

1071
01:24:36,239 --> 01:24:42,159
along with the the water and the
wastewater plants getting right at the

1072
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:47,120
end of those and the the benefit they'll
have to the community.

1073
01:24:44,719 --> 01:24:54,080
Um
yeah, as far as uh other part uh just

1074
01:24:51,920 --> 01:25:01,040
you know it's always good to follow up
on the you know it's unfortunate uh that

1075
01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:04,560
sometimes there's well recently a lot of
public comment that attacks our police

1076
01:25:02,639 --> 01:25:09,120
department and I I do want to express my
disagreement with the characterization

1077
01:25:06,480 --> 01:25:12,800
of our staff as well as the chief. I do
fully support the police chief and his

1078
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:16,000
staff for all they do. They're not
perfect where they have imperfections

1079
01:25:14,480 --> 01:25:21,520
they improve on, but they're really good
staff and they're providing a really

1080
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:24,960
good service to our community. Um
that, you know, easily it's easy to hone

1081
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:27,760
in on individual imperfections, but it
ignores the totality of their

1082
01:25:26,239 --> 01:25:30,880
performance and the contribution to our
community and the city, including the

1083
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:35,280
training and growth process that all
employees go through as they learn their

1084
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:39,520
jobs and and look to get better. Uh once
again, I fully support them and I I

1085
01:25:37,679 --> 01:25:43,840
support our decisions and the associate
promotions. We have done the best we can

1086
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:50,600
with the resources we have and look
forward to continue to provide the best

1087
01:25:46,639 --> 01:25:50,600
service possible to our community.

1088
01:25:50,719 --> 01:25:57,040
» I have a question, Ben. Were you
familiar with the incident that um in

1089
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:59,760
public comment that was mentioned in the
public comments?

1090
01:25:58,719 --> 01:26:03,360
» Which one?
>> Um the incident that that uh she

1091
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:07,199
addressed
>> with the firearm, I believe. the firearm

1092
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:10,480
and
>> and no that was the first time I I had

1093
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:15,199
heard of that one
>> or the accusation related to a firearm

1094
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:20,000
that way since there
>> exactly I'm just wondering what how much

1095
01:26:17,199 --> 01:26:24,239
truth or because you know this is it's
public comment it's in the public and

1096
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:27,360
people are going to hear what they want
to hear but I also want to hear like

1097
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:31,440
there's two sides to a story
>> well yeah what what I want to say and I

1098
01:26:29,199 --> 01:26:37,199
don't want to get into personnel issues
um and um the can of worms that that

1099
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:42,000
brings. But when we do receive any
public comment about anything new that

1100
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:44,719
we have maybe not heard or we may
already know, we do look into all of

1101
01:26:43,199 --> 01:26:49,600
those and if there's any adjustments, we
do make those or do proper training for

1102
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:53,199
that. We take all comments, whether from
public comment or written comments uh

1103
01:26:51,679 --> 01:26:56,239
seriously. We take a look at all of them
and review them. Doesn't mean we always

1104
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:59,280
agree with all of everything that's
done. doesn't mean that we do everything

1105
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:03,600
they ask us to do because sometimes
people misuse that process or they just

1106
01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:07,679
don't understand the process, but we do
review every single one and if there is

1107
01:27:06,239 --> 01:27:11,679
any opportunity for growth, we always
take a look at that and and we own up to

1108
01:27:09,199 --> 01:27:15,840
those and and change those uh where we
we can or where it's feasible to do so.

1109
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:20,639
» And and I know you do that. It's just um
I think it it would help just if we're

1110
01:27:18,639 --> 01:27:24,800
more transparent with okay, we followed
up and this is what we done. Not you

1111
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:29,040
have to explain everything, but you have
addressed it. So then we know because

1112
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:34,639
then they they come and then they say,
"Well, they never they never got back to

1113
01:27:32,159 --> 01:27:39,679
us. It was kind of put to the side and
it was we were ignored." We just want to

1114
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:42,800
know we want I for me I want to know
both sides of the story.

1115
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:44,480
» Council Shini, um I was going to talk
about that, but

1116
01:27:43,440 --> 01:27:47,040
» Okay.
>> Can I hold off and see if you're going

1117
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:49,679
to say something? Once again, I want to
be very careful with personnel related

1118
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:52,800
experiences,
>> right? Um, while there's a lot of

1119
01:27:51,440 --> 01:27:58,800
information people would like to know
and it's fun to know, when it comes to

1120
01:27:55,679 --> 01:28:03,199
personnel, what I can say is we do take
those serious. We'll look into them and

1121
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:07,600
we will make any training or corrections
if there is anything substantiated in

1122
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:11,440
that. But we do not follow up on those
because that would be addressing whether

1123
01:28:09,440 --> 01:28:18,000
there was personnel performance issues
done or not.

1124
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:23,600
» Um, which is a protected record. Um, but
we do look into those and we do follow

1125
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:26,320
up on them internally.
>> I want you to state that further also

1126
01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:33,199
for the record. Thank you.
>> Is it is it accurate to say that um her

1127
01:28:30,639 --> 01:28:39,040
statement that the person that was the
citizen that was involved in that did we

1128
01:28:35,679 --> 01:28:43,199
receive a complaint? Can is there just
that you don't have to go any further

1129
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:47,280
than that. Just was there a complaint?
>> Yes, there was.

1130
01:28:44,159 --> 01:28:47,280
» Okay. Thank you.

1131
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:55,679
since you have the cach um chief luella.
>> All right. Good afternoon, Mayor. Also,

1132
01:28:54,239 --> 01:28:59,920
counselors also those online who are
watching us later on. So, first I want

1133
01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:04,639
to say congratulation to officer Jacob
Cunningham. Um just graduated academy.

1134
01:29:02,639 --> 01:29:10,239
He's out here doing his FTO process. He
graduated with over 90% at the academy

1135
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:13,600
auto reference. So, good to him. Um
thank you was choing at the bit to talk

1136
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:20,000
about this but I won't go into more
additional details to the um the grand

1137
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:23,360
center but just ref comment and I give
there first I'll start about towing um I

1138
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:27,440
know it's been a big thing especially
you post up on social media the RV a lot

1139
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:32,320
of people think just because there's a
municipal violation of a tow um that we

1140
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:38,080
can tow it instantly that day a lot of
people don't know and realize too though

1141
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:43,120
that there's a municipal code it's title
04 4 280 that says we as a police

1142
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:48,560
department if a vehicle is in violation
of that chapter for park. We cannot tow

1143
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:52,320
it unless there's two unpaid tickets. So
that requires us as a police department

1144
01:29:50,480 --> 01:29:56,320
to cite that and each ticket usually
takes about 30 days to go through the

1145
01:29:53,840 --> 01:30:00,239
court system. So about 60 days. There
are some different additional RS's where

1146
01:29:58,639 --> 01:30:03,199
um if a person's driving, we stop them
for like my hammer shirts and stuff like

1147
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:07,679
that. You can tow their vehicle, but
usually don't apply in the situation. um

1148
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:12,080
reference about this um complaint that
was received even before it was done

1149
01:30:10,239 --> 01:30:15,600
that complaint was reviewed already and
generally speaking for us in police

1150
01:30:13,679 --> 01:30:20,000
department. When we do see a complaint
at a certain seriousness, we have

1151
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:22,960
software that I purchase so that we can
track it. It has time stamps for

1152
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:28,320
everything like that. usually comes to a
first life supervisor in the situation

1153
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:33,760
it did who reviews body warn camera
have here and also for validity of those

1154
01:30:31,199 --> 01:30:39,840
complaints and this situation rank adds
another self um another um level it goes

1155
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:43,280
up to me as a supervisor as a chief and
this situation I personally went out

1156
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:48,080
there and talked to individual looked at
their footage to compare I won't go into

1157
01:30:45,679 --> 01:30:52,639
details but some things were self-esteem
that was talked about and then from

1158
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:58,800
there in this particular situation
Even though um there was no major um

1159
01:30:56,960 --> 01:31:02,239
issue that I particularly saw in a
general level transparent without being

1160
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:05,679
prompted, I reached out to another
police department just double check and

1161
01:31:04,159 --> 01:31:08,560
look and get their input. So this is
something I did. I do believe in

1162
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:12,800
transparity and also policing oursel as
law enforcement. And just one thing I

1163
01:31:10,719 --> 01:31:17,840
want to say about Detective Johnson,
he's a fellow veteran. He's very

1164
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:20,800
competent firearm. Um and we do hours of
training throughout the year at Skeptics

1165
01:31:19,440 --> 01:31:23,360
Police Department for Firearms to
include this week we're doing some fire

1166
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:27,280
extreme partners at the St. Holmes
Police Department. So there was no

1167
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:31,199
issues from removing it. That was a
tactical decision made from there. So

1168
01:31:29,679 --> 01:31:35,840
this is documented those type of
situations. Um any additional go into

1169
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:39,920
too much more details. Is there any
additional questions on that?

1170
01:31:37,440 --> 01:31:44,080
» No, thank you for the record.
>> Yep. Oh no problem. I mean people have a

1171
01:31:42,239 --> 01:31:47,120
right to and thank you same man for your
comments too. People have a right as a

1172
01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:50,639
veter myself I believe in the first
amendment like act reformation but they

1173
01:31:49,440 --> 01:31:55,920
have a right to say what they want in
this in this country that's why I love

1174
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:58,000
America and uh that being said unless
there's no question

1175
01:31:57,360 --> 01:32:03,040
» yeah go ahead
>> kind of going on the the something

1176
01:32:00,480 --> 01:32:06,960
they're towed I mean there's also
opportunity that it might have to go to

1177
01:32:04,719 --> 01:32:12,480
a court and the court the judge may push
it off I mean things can take months

1178
01:32:09,199 --> 01:32:16,560
because of other things not us I mean
>> yes it's not that simple and everything

1179
01:32:14,239 --> 01:32:20,159
too from my experience also working my
previous employer with the wash state

1180
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:23,440
patrol people also have a right to a
hearing now what happens if we were to

1181
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:27,360
lose that we didn't follow the law
particularly then the city of scapoo

1182
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:31,199
pays the bill for towing fees which can
require thousands of thousands of

1183
01:32:29,199 --> 01:32:35,600
dollars so that's why I want to make
sure our department is following the

1184
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:38,400
letter of the law so if there was some
change that want to be made that's

1185
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:41,120
something I'd like yes council president
Miller

1186
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:44,480
» so chief I just to summarize this I I
mean you guys have a procedure that you

1187
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:49,280
use for taking these things with a
timeline that's prescribed. Correct. And

1188
01:32:46,480 --> 01:32:55,840
so if somebody comes in and doesn't like
the the timeline that was given or a

1189
01:32:51,760 --> 01:33:00,960
date that was written on say a uh the
orange tag the impound notice that was

1190
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:03,679
prescribed by either our MUN code. We're
not arbitrarily making up these dates

1191
01:33:02,480 --> 01:33:06,400
and the amount of time that they have to
respond to these things. Correct.

1192
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:09,360
» We're as a police department, we don't
operate that way. I personally don't

1193
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:13,600
know who owns the boat. I do like boats,
but I don't know who that person is. And

1194
01:33:11,679 --> 01:33:18,400
uh with that being said, going forward
um we continue to just follow um what's

1195
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:22,400
outlined in the law
>> from the summary of all this basically

1196
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:25,679
is is that the procedure the community
code the amount of time that somebody

1197
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:30,400
has to respond to do something related
to their vehicle was followed and that's

1198
01:33:28,639 --> 01:33:33,920
» correct. I recommend people also look at
the municipal code too regarding when we

1199
01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:40,159
can end under that. And I think last but
not least too as well is that uh you

1200
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:44,080
know for us we continue to always
improve our processes things such of

1201
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:47,520
that nature obviously um but thank you
for the opportunity to let me just kind

1202
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:51,120
of explain that and there's additional
questions but we document those things

1203
01:33:49,199 --> 01:33:55,760
and we take complaints seriously they
may not be found or not. as well.

1204
01:33:53,679 --> 01:34:00,239
» And I I do want to reiterate on code
enforcement. It has been a we've had

1205
01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:06,560
several comments or questions about that
recently that and and we are looking at

1206
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:09,199
how ways to maybe help uh the public
better understand the process of that.

1207
01:34:08,239 --> 01:34:13,120
But
>> um just to reiterate the process uh you

1208
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:18,880
know people usually put in a complaint
and some some you know typically want

1209
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:24,960
that taken care of right away. um the
way that we operate and the way that

1210
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:29,920
state statute and city code works, if
there is an uncompliant um person, it

1211
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:33,199
can take time. So, we we typically try
to reach out to give somebody the

1212
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:36,400
benefit of the doubt, let them know that
there's a violation, give them a chance,

1213
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:40,239
the the ability to rectify themselves
before it goes into a citation or

1214
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:44,000
something else. Um just because a lot of
people don't know where the code is. And

1215
01:34:42,480 --> 01:34:47,440
so just to notify them, hey, just let
you know, you're outside of our code.

1216
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:50,719
It's a violation to get that fixed. They
get the opportunity to do so. If they

1217
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:55,840
don't, that's where they have to follow
up with more strict measures. Um, they

1218
01:34:53,600 --> 01:35:00,320
get those citations, uh, which typically
end up with a court date, which could be

1219
01:34:57,360 --> 01:35:04,000
a month out or or more, but typically
about a month, depending what happens in

1220
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:08,080
court, can spread that out further. And
and every single one of these situations

1221
01:35:06,239 --> 01:35:11,600
is so unique depending on the person,
depending on the situation. the the

1222
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:15,520
police department and the code
enforcement tries their best to follow

1223
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:20,400
the the process, but it can be a
different timeline for something that

1224
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:25,679
seemingly seems like the same process
just because depending on what happens

1225
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:30,239
through that process, uh depending on
outside, you know, circumstances such,

1226
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:34,000
like you said, um Mayor back is that if
a a judge prescribes something else, it

1227
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:37,920
can throw that off or or if there's an
appeal or there's something else. Um,

1228
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:41,520
and so what I want to really put on the
record for for those looking at code

1229
01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:45,360
enforcements, you know, they we have a
good code enforcement officer, a good

1230
01:35:43,199 --> 01:35:52,639
process, we're we are improving it, but
it does take time for those who are not

1231
01:35:47,679 --> 01:35:56,719
looking to um to comply with that. So,
um, and if I can too, not to be a dead

1232
01:35:55,280 --> 01:36:00,159
horse, but I think the reason I wasn't
here when the law was made for the two

1233
01:35:58,239 --> 01:36:02,719
tickets, but I think it's designed to
help give people a chance to comply. I

1234
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:06,639
mean there's a lot of people their
vehicle is their livelihood and we can

1235
01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:10,159
technically tow a vehicle just because
your license your registration expired.

1236
01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:13,840
There's a lot of people who use that to
commute and to bring food on the table

1237
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:17,280
for their family. So there's both sides
of the coin and I think obviously it

1238
01:36:15,920 --> 01:36:21,600
gets that 60 days then they're not
planning to comply. So um that's another

1239
01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:26,400
reason I think it's a little bit drawn
out there but something that council can

1240
01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:30,960
possibly change they wanted to future.
So, I was going to make a comment during

1241
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:35,199
my comment time about code enforcement
because I have my own frustrations to be

1242
01:36:33,199 --> 01:36:39,199
candid about the code enforcement
program and I can get into more detail

1243
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:47,280
about that, but I'm wondering if some of
it if not a lot of it is based on

1244
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:50,320
this
how long it takes to accomplish

1245
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:54,159
something. I'm wondering if there's a
way to link something because this is

1246
01:36:52,480 --> 01:36:56,880
public record. So, I'm wondering if we
can

1247
01:36:54,719 --> 01:37:02,000
» if we can put on a page on the city's
website basically the address or

1248
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:06,239
location of a code enforcement activity
and just the very generic nature and

1249
01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:10,400
what stage it's in. And then we can
start because I think a lot of it is

1250
01:37:07,920 --> 01:37:12,960
just communication and and um
transparency is not the right word

1251
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:18,400
because we're not hiding anything, but
it's just putting it's putting out there

1252
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:22,080
a place where people can go to get
informed about where something's at. But

1253
01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:25,600
I mean, I've made a code enforcement
complaint about a residence that has

1254
01:37:24,239 --> 01:37:30,480
multiple code enforcement violations
over a year ago, and I don't know that

1255
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:34,480
anything was if it was even looked at.
Um, and I have other examples, too. But

1256
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:38,080
I do have I do have frustrations with
our code enforcement program, and I hope

1257
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:42,400
that we continue to improve that. But I
think a big part of it is potentially um

1258
01:37:40,480 --> 01:37:46,880
the way that we educate the public about
our uh pending code enforcement

1259
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:49,440
violations and where we're at with the
status of those things.

1260
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:55,760
» Okay. All right. My one my one
recommendation around that would be to

1261
01:37:51,440 --> 01:38:00,880
consider the person being put on a map.
Um if especially if they're not overtly

1262
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:04,320
being belligerent or you know if they're
out of town or can't get a hold and they

1263
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:07,119
end up with a citation it could become a
public flogging type thing like oh

1264
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:10,080
you're out of compliance. What the heck
is going on? And people who normally

1265
01:38:08,480 --> 01:38:16,080
wouldn't know now you you're on this
record publicly that people could use to

1266
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:20,000
publicly
>> well maybe attack. then maybe we limit

1267
01:38:18,159 --> 01:38:22,960
it to things that are visual that people
can see with the eye because those are

1268
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:26,000
the things that people are generally
complaining about the most. I see your

1269
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:28,800
point and I'm sorry I didn't mean to
interrupt you. This is actually what I

1270
01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:30,880
was going to comment about during my
time but since we were talking about

1271
01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:35,040
Yeah. Thank you.
>> Um but yeah, I mean I don't Let's leave

1272
01:38:33,119 --> 01:38:38,159
it with this. If we can think about this
and see if there's any way to do

1273
01:38:36,639 --> 01:38:41,679
something like that
>> um and maybe have further conversations

1274
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:45,840
about it later, I think that'd be great,
>> right? And and way this one way to solve

1275
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:49,119
that is just when people are curious,
they can always call in and ask about it

1276
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:51,920
and they can submit their own complaint
as well and then they say, "Hey, we're

1277
01:38:50,239 --> 01:38:56,719
already working on that or they can get
information or do obviously a public

1278
01:38:53,440 --> 01:39:00,719
records request." But um which would
then get the opportunity to redact

1279
01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:04,400
anything that is um not supposed to be
out there. But yeah, yeah, we we can

1280
01:39:03,360 --> 01:39:08,639
look at that. We're always looking to
improve that process and appreciate any

1281
01:39:06,080 --> 01:39:13,119
feedback or ideas like that. Um, and
we'll we'll respond obviously with any

1282
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:16,639
potential concerns we may have with that
and then come with a process that is

1283
01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:17,679
just hopefully better than what we had
before. So,

1284
01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:21,119
» thank you.
>> One thing I'm looking at is I mean I

1285
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:25,040
think our code enforcement has evolved
and growing here. I mean, before we

1286
01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:28,880
didn't have anybody then kind of a
part-time and now we're going to

1287
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:32,239
full-time and I think it would be nice
to understand what code enforcement

1288
01:39:30,480 --> 01:39:35,840
meant. What is our codes? What are they
looking for? I mean, I I agree. I don't

1289
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:40,000
want to go out and necessarily ticket
everybody right on right away for

1290
01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:44,000
everything. I like education. I like us
to communicate and maybe by putting out

1291
01:39:42,480 --> 01:39:48,639
in the newsletter things we're looking
for, things that are popping up as code

1292
01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:52,639
enforcement violations that we see ahead
of time. So maybe you guys can work on

1293
01:39:50,320 --> 01:39:56,639
them ahead of time. And then again too,
if I leave a basketball hoop out, I

1294
01:39:54,400 --> 01:40:00,480
don't want to be on some website. They
came to me first and just said

1295
01:39:58,159 --> 01:40:04,080
something. I fix it right away. Now, if
I don't or if I don't for a while and

1296
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:06,960
then I I get it. But
>> and not Yeah, not to counter, but I

1297
01:40:05,679 --> 01:40:11,520
think a lot of people are our community
members do. There are some those that

1298
01:40:09,679 --> 01:40:15,679
are a little bit more difficult, need
more attention, I would say, um to kind

1299
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:19,600
of make that happen. And particularly
certain things like when it comes to

1300
01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:22,800
weeds or grass being tall, there's some
people in our community that unless law

1301
01:40:21,440 --> 01:40:26,639
enforcement talks to them, that's going
to keep developing. You have to do it

1302
01:40:24,239 --> 01:40:29,520
seasonally. They go out there over and
over again. I experienced that

1303
01:40:28,080 --> 01:40:32,800
personally here when working here in my
capacity. So,

1304
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:35,840
» and I trust that if safety fac if
there's some safety involved, you're

1305
01:40:34,159 --> 01:40:40,840
going to step in sooner and run away. I
mean, if if it's a safety issue,

1306
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:40,840
» correct?

1307
01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:50,800
Um, let's go. Uh, Mr. Turner, public
works director, since you're still here,

1308
01:40:49,199 --> 01:40:54,639
we have your report in the back. Is
there anything real special you wanted

1309
01:40:52,320 --> 01:41:00,840
to give us an update of your department?
Anything happening? If you do, you need

1310
01:40:56,800 --> 01:41:00,840
to come speak to the microphone.

1311
01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:09,040
» Couple projects we didn't mention
tonight. I think the comm layback is

1312
01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:15,360
underway [clears throat] and then the
recent um pavement overlay just down the

1313
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:20,159
street. Those are successful projects
happening and we always uh measure those

1314
01:41:18,239 --> 01:41:24,480
successes and also look at opportunities
for improvement on future ones by doing

1315
01:41:22,159 --> 01:41:28,880
those. And those uh overlays were done
by gas taxes. So, Right. [laughter]

1316
01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:31,440
» Right.
>> Those signs will be up, too, if they're

1317
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:35,679
not already.
>> I've been seeing a lot of people at the

1318
01:41:32,960 --> 01:41:39,119
park lately. Um I even saw the workers
were down there a week ago, Sunday,

1319
01:41:37,199 --> 01:41:44,560
working building stuff, and people are
asking about bridges and and everything.

1320
01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:49,920
And and um with the overlay, I mean, is
that still in the works, the possible

1321
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:56,560
bridge that we were focusing on earlier?
>> That one's in planning as well. And then

1322
01:41:51,920 --> 01:42:02,560
the Veterans Park North um plans are
being approved and you guys are picking

1323
01:41:59,360 --> 01:42:05,040
it looked like you selected an outfit to
>> archaeologist.

1324
01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:10,400
Yes.
>> So that's all in pro it's all working.

1325
01:42:08,719 --> 01:42:15,360
» Great.
>> Appreciate it. Thank you.

1326
01:42:12,835 --> 01:42:17,600
[clears throat] Uh student rep Michael
your first meeting here. If there's

1327
01:42:16,639 --> 01:42:21,199
anything I know it's the middle of
summer, not much happening. School's

1328
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:24,320
about to begin shortly. Is there
anything that you'd like to report or

1329
01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:29,440
give us an update on?
>> I do have a couple things. Um, one,

1330
01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:34,880
during throughout the summer, there's
been summer workouts at the school for

1331
01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:39,280
athletes who want to get a couple reps
in at the gym or want to get more

1332
01:42:37,440 --> 01:42:42,480
agility stuff done on the field. That's
been a really good help for athletes.

1333
01:42:41,040 --> 01:42:47,600
I've gone there a couple times myself
and there's always been a large group of

1334
01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:52,080
people. Um last week or the week before
I went to the school board meeting and

1335
01:42:49,679 --> 01:42:57,360
the biggest thing was
um OP and Warren Elementary had new two

1336
01:42:55,199 --> 01:43:03,600
new principles appointed
and they talked about that and also the

1337
01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:10,320
bond which they proposed three options
for it and a lot of people were still

1338
01:43:05,679 --> 01:43:15,119
kind of skeptical about it and
with you know summer ending fall sports

1339
01:43:12,480 --> 01:43:20,159
is starting to begin so more practice
ices happened at the high school. That's

1340
01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:25,040
really about it.
>> Thank you. I did hear I mean they're

1341
01:43:21,679 --> 01:43:28,800
really iffy on this bond at this time to
get it on the November ballot. I'm sure

1342
01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:32,800
they really want to do it right and they
don't want to rush through. So I I don't

1343
01:43:30,800 --> 01:43:36,080
know if there's meetings still happening
to really make a final decision or if

1344
01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:40,960
they've announced anything.
>> I'll segue off of Michael's comments

1345
01:43:38,239 --> 01:43:45,280
then. Um, yeah, the school district, my
understanding is going to be on pause on

1346
01:43:42,560 --> 01:43:49,440
the bond and and I think there's a
genuine interest in involving the city

1347
01:43:47,119 --> 01:43:53,440
in discussion. So hopefully that comes
to fruition

1348
01:43:51,280 --> 01:43:57,360
sooner than later. Uh, but I don't think
there's any reasonable way that that can

1349
01:43:55,199 --> 01:44:02,080
bond can be on the November ballot.
That's not that's not possible. So, you

1350
01:43:59,760 --> 01:44:06,560
know, may maybe
May next year, but I think we're g the

1351
01:44:04,239 --> 01:44:11,760
city's going to see a lot of interaction
here with the school district hopefully.

1352
01:44:08,960 --> 01:44:15,840
But just a little elaboration on that.
>> And I like to add on to, you know, the

1353
01:44:14,080 --> 01:44:19,360
summer workouts, the early morning
workouts. I do want to give a shout out

1354
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:22,560
to, you know, Joe Non and the staff
there. I think that's why the school has

1355
01:44:20,880 --> 01:44:26,880
done so well in a lot of their athletics
is their ability to really put in the

1356
01:44:24,560 --> 01:44:32,239
time and energy out of season before and
after. And I think it's really helped a

1357
01:44:29,360 --> 01:44:35,199
lot of our student athletes and uh I've
seen it over the years.

1358
01:44:33,840 --> 01:44:40,800
» And then then I've got a couple other
things. First I want to publicly uh note

1359
01:44:38,400 --> 01:44:45,920
that I have complete confidence in Chief
Luella and city manager Bergner. Uh you

1360
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:50,719
know in contrast to other statements
that have been made recently. So I just

1361
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:56,560
want to publicly state that. Um and then
also as as a courtesy I'd like to

1362
01:44:53,520 --> 01:45:00,560
explain why I voted no for the 50-year
plan.

1363
01:44:57,600 --> 01:45:05,280
Um and uh courtesy to the staff which
did a remarkably good job. The

1364
01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:10,239
volunteers at Northwest did a good job.
They very good work. But I I could not

1365
01:45:08,320 --> 01:45:15,360
come to terms with the fact that we did
not do a a comprehensive watershed

1366
01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:18,639
study. They should have driven the whole
planning process and that was never

1367
01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:22,719
done. It wasn't addressed. It wasn't
wasn't even considered. And I I don't I

1368
01:45:21,280 --> 01:45:27,040
couldn't understand how you could do a
50-year plan without addressing those

1369
01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:32,159
kind of environmental issues. Um and
then secondly, uh I basically have three

1370
01:45:29,440 --> 01:45:37,040
reasons for for voting no. Uh the second
one, I don't see we have an adequate

1371
01:45:34,320 --> 01:45:43,119
water supply, um at the present moment
to to serve uh anticipated growth. And

1372
01:45:40,800 --> 01:45:48,719
so that's another uh another rationale
for not expanding the UGB at this

1373
01:45:45,360 --> 01:45:54,400
particular moment. And then third, um we
have a surplus of industrial property uh

1374
01:45:51,440 --> 01:45:58,159
that uh has an infrastructure already in
we don't have to pay for. It's already

1375
01:45:55,840 --> 01:46:02,719
done. And reszoning some of that for
residential property uh was not even

1376
01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:08,480
looked at. And so I had I had three
serious issues with that plan. I voted

1377
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:11,840
for it to begin with to to support it to
to start the process. It didn't it

1378
01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:17,040
didn't turn out the way what I was
visualizing. So that was my rationale.

1379
01:46:14,719 --> 01:46:22,960
It it does not it's not an affront to
anybody. I have the greatest admiration

1380
01:46:19,679 --> 01:46:27,440
for the for the Echo Northwest staff and
the volunteers that put a lot of hours

1381
01:46:24,880 --> 01:46:32,960
into this. So, I just wanted to publicly
note that uh you provide a rationale as

1382
01:46:30,080 --> 01:46:41,360
a courtesy for for my no vote on that.
Um, and then, uh, lastly, um, there's a

1383
01:46:37,040 --> 01:46:47,199
mug that, uh, Brad Bremer, the local
potter, uh, he, he made two prototypes.

1384
01:46:45,119 --> 01:46:52,560
And so I'm going to pass this down and
then I'll hopefully end up with Ben and

1385
01:46:49,440 --> 01:46:57,920
maybe Ben will secure some bunch of
these so we can give them to various

1386
01:46:54,239 --> 01:47:02,960
people in milestones and in in their uh
in their time with the city, city

1387
01:47:00,239 --> 01:47:08,080
councilors, planning commissioners,
anybody or people that come guests that

1388
01:47:05,119 --> 01:47:12,639
come in uh to uh look at the SC
community for business, you know, pro

1389
01:47:10,639 --> 01:47:16,320
prospective businesses. So, take a look
at this and if you if you if you like

1390
01:47:14,880 --> 01:47:21,600
the looks of this and it's got the
Scapaloo logo on it in the font, correct

1391
01:47:19,440 --> 01:47:26,400
font and I thought I did a really nice
job and and then Ben can use that to

1392
01:47:24,239 --> 01:47:29,920
drink coffee out of here for he can
drink tea out of that. So,

1393
01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:34,000
» that's right.
>> Well, thank you Joel. I I do appreciate

1394
01:47:31,760 --> 01:47:38,960
your comments on on your boat decision
there and I'm hoping then um put in a

1395
01:47:37,199 --> 01:47:42,320
lot of time and energy this over the
last several years. So hopefully we will

1396
01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:46,080
be able to listen to kind of your
concerns and issues as we go forward and

1397
01:47:44,320 --> 01:47:50,480
and address them if needed. So because I
think they're valuable.

1398
01:47:48,159 --> 01:47:54,639
Appreciate that. Um are you done? Is
that your comments for the night?

1399
01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:59,840
Appreciate there. Um and is the high
school gym open yet? Did they reopen the

1400
01:47:56,880 --> 01:48:06,719
gym from all the crack? Currently, they
are still making some final um

1401
01:48:02,400 --> 01:48:10,239
adjustments to the support beam, but by
the time school starts, it should be

1402
01:48:08,480 --> 01:48:16,320
completely fixed and the gym should be
open before school starts.

1403
01:48:12,080 --> 01:48:21,679
» Perfect. Counselor Way.
>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh like to turn

1404
01:48:18,639 --> 01:48:27,920
this something a little more pleasant.
Uh, I'd like to talk about trees and

1405
01:48:25,440 --> 01:48:32,000
watching some trees being planted along
the

1406
01:48:30,400 --> 01:48:37,199
uh I noticed that they're putting in
some of the same trees that I've seen in

1407
01:48:33,679 --> 01:48:43,360
some parts and the trees that are in for
veteran uh they don't particularly help.

1408
01:48:41,119 --> 01:48:46,639
Part of the reason for that is sister
really

1409
01:48:44,880 --> 01:48:53,679
would do well in this particular
location. So I I just had a conversation

1410
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:58,480
with Gloria Joseph reportedly.
We were discussing about how trees are

1411
01:48:55,440 --> 01:49:02,480
surviving the tree
and she said that there is a list of

1412
01:49:00,320 --> 01:49:07,520
approved trees and that it's just sort
of been accumulated over the years added

1413
01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:13,199
to it but no one really
and she said you'd be happy to share it

1414
01:49:10,320 --> 01:49:17,600
look at it and so that got me thinking
one of the things as I walk around the

1415
01:49:14,800 --> 01:49:23,119
city I think to myself there is such a
thing as the street tree program and

1416
01:49:20,480 --> 01:49:26,960
that's where the people in the community
living there or visiting there can look

1417
01:49:25,360 --> 01:49:31,679
at a tree and say I wonder what sort of
tree it was. I wonder when it was put

1418
01:49:29,119 --> 01:49:35,760
in. I wonder if it has any security and
that we travel around Europe and come to

1419
01:49:33,840 --> 01:49:41,360
the United States. They have
documentation look up a number or look

1420
01:49:38,159 --> 01:49:46,480
up QR code and the treat. And what I
would like to do is I would like to

1421
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:51,360
undertake this project myself.
uh not beling on the city staff except

1422
01:49:49,520 --> 01:49:56,000
for the occasional request for
information

1423
01:49:53,199 --> 01:50:01,040
and possibly leverage the citizen
science of many of the local people in

1424
01:49:58,639 --> 01:50:06,480
the area through the naturalist program
to see if we could put together at least

1425
01:50:02,719 --> 01:50:10,719
the beginnings of a street tree map.
document what trees are here, what

1426
01:50:08,400 --> 01:50:13,440
species they are, where they are, maybe
a little bit about what condition

1427
01:50:11,840 --> 01:50:18,239
they're in, and then if we can succeed
in that, perhaps look at expanding that

1428
01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:23,280
out into what eventually we reach as a
full tree inventory to the benefit of

1429
01:50:21,040 --> 01:50:30,000
the community so that people could
become more engaged with the nature of

1430
01:50:27,360 --> 01:50:34,960
itself. We have a lovely
it's very rich and I think that more

1431
01:50:32,639 --> 01:50:39,199
people might like more about it if they
have the opportunity

1432
01:50:37,119 --> 01:50:42,480
No, I think that is good. According at
least with me, I know when I first

1433
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started, we did have somebody come in. I
don't know if it was from the watershed

1434
01:50:44,239 --> 01:50:51,440
or SCA tree inventory and they did a
whole inventory of like a lot of our

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01:50:48,960 --> 01:50:56,560
trees and our coverage and our and our
um and talked about how we are kind of

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01:50:53,679 --> 01:50:59,679
lower than we should be on our canopy
and stuff. And so it would be

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01:50:57,760 --> 01:51:03,199
interesting. Also, are you able is there
apps where you could take a picture of a

1438
01:51:01,040 --> 01:51:06,719
leaf and then it just show you what it
is? Yes, that's that's the reason I

1439
01:51:05,119 --> 01:51:13,199
would like to leverage the citizen
science app. The nonprofit organization

1440
01:51:10,159 --> 01:51:19,119
called I naturalist and it's loaded on
people's phones. We simply take a

1441
01:51:15,440 --> 01:51:24,080
picture of plants or anything like that
and we can geotag it to a location

1442
01:51:21,520 --> 01:51:28,880
whenever we use the collected database
provide an identity as to what it is. So

1443
01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:36,400
in that way we could document where it
is and what it is and because you can

1444
01:51:32,239 --> 01:51:41,920
use a program for research such as this.
There's a local uh affair that has just

1445
01:51:39,119 --> 01:51:49,280
continued a very significant research
program into the amphibians of county

1446
01:51:46,320 --> 01:51:54,880
and they've produced quite an impressive
report completely volunteered and

1447
01:51:51,679 --> 01:51:59,360
completely based on citizen science. So
I think this this may be something that

1448
01:51:56,800 --> 01:52:05,719
we could we could achieve.
>> I think your expertise and passion for

1449
01:52:01,440 --> 01:52:05,719
it would be greatly appreciated.

1450
01:52:05,840 --> 01:52:17,199
» Right. Council Mars.
I don't have much to add other than say

1451
01:52:12,639 --> 01:52:22,920
I done a tree map of
white. So there's already some

1452
01:52:23,199 --> 01:52:33,280
that's all right. Councelor Holmes.
>> Um yes. Uh I also want to uh show my

1453
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:37,679
vote of support for city leadership. I
look back at uh the position the city

1454
01:52:35,360 --> 01:52:43,920
was in four years ago when I joined city
council and I think we are in a very

1455
01:52:40,320 --> 01:52:50,159
strong position um both in terms of uh
where we are with city management

1456
01:52:46,480 --> 01:52:55,920
financially um our leveraging of grants
for expansion um is is great and

1457
01:52:53,440 --> 01:53:01,440
certainly the the state of our police
department is probably the best it's

1458
01:52:58,639 --> 01:53:06,159
been in anyone's recent memory. So, I
don't think there's any question that

1459
01:53:03,199 --> 01:53:10,560
the city's in uh good hands with our
current leadership.

1460
01:53:07,760 --> 01:53:15,360
» Um I will just give a quick update. Uh
the C team, the community emergency

1461
01:53:12,960 --> 01:53:19,280
response team continues to meet. I did
want to share pass along one piece of

1462
01:53:16,960 --> 01:53:23,920
information. We had the county's new
emergency manager Jessica come and join

1463
01:53:21,760 --> 01:53:27,599
the meeting. Um she's working on helping
to identify different training

1464
01:53:25,199 --> 01:53:32,800
opportunities for our newly growing
team. Um we are also establishing uh the

1465
01:53:30,960 --> 01:53:37,040
minimum training requirements for
volunteers uh kind of making two classes

1466
01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:42,080
of volunteers. Those who are just kind
of interested in learning more about uh

1467
01:53:39,599 --> 01:53:45,199
emergency preparedness and maybe helping
with community events and then those

1468
01:53:43,679 --> 01:53:49,040
that can actually be activated because
they have the proper training. Um so

1469
01:53:47,440 --> 01:53:52,719
we're working on kind of defining all of
that and also a participant agreement

1470
01:53:51,119 --> 01:53:57,040
just so we can ensure there's certain
level of um performance and

1471
01:53:54,960 --> 01:54:01,280
professionalism uh that the volunteers
have. So, the the group is taking shape

1472
01:53:58,800 --> 01:54:07,119
really nicely. Jessica did let us know
um the county's natural hazard

1473
01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:10,320
mitigation plan expires on February 2nd.
This is the plan that enables

1474
01:54:08,719 --> 01:54:16,239
communities, makes them eligible for
receiving money from FEMA in the event

1475
01:54:12,960 --> 01:54:20,800
of a declared emergency. Um it takes
about 18 months to renew the plan and so

1476
01:54:18,800 --> 01:54:24,880
ours will expire before that can be
completed. So they'll be filing an

1477
01:54:22,159 --> 01:54:29,199
extraordinary circumstances extension so
that the during the time that they're

1478
01:54:26,719 --> 01:54:33,040
working on updating the plan effectively
people will remain eligible for

1479
01:54:30,880 --> 01:54:37,440
receiving funds if needed. Scapuse will
need effectively like a chapter and so

1480
01:54:35,360 --> 01:54:41,040
they'll be reaching out in January uh to
engage when they have bring their

1481
01:54:38,719 --> 01:54:44,719
contractor on board. So just kind of put
a pin in that for a forecast that we'll

1482
01:54:43,040 --> 01:54:49,199
need to work and contribute to that to
make sure that we are eligible and

1483
01:54:45,920 --> 01:54:52,719
covered under the update of that plan.
Uh, and I would just say since we are

1484
01:54:51,199 --> 01:54:57,760
cancelling our next meeting, school will
be in session. Kids will be walking to

1485
01:54:54,960 --> 01:55:02,000
school. Uh, everyone muting, please be
mindful of all of our youth that will be

1486
01:55:00,400 --> 01:55:02,960
making their way as well.
>> Appreciate it.

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01:55:02,639 --> 01:55:09,760
» Thanks.
>> Thank you, Counc.

1488
01:55:05,840 --> 01:55:15,119
» Yeah, I was gonna not have much, but you
guys all came up with something. Um, I

1489
01:55:12,639 --> 01:55:19,119
was thinking, uh, thank you, John, for
offering that. I would be That's a great

1490
01:55:16,880 --> 01:55:23,440
idea. I'm thinking maybe we can
incorporate something with what's going

1491
01:55:20,960 --> 01:55:30,560
on with the trail the the grant that
Lori was talking about today. So that

1492
01:55:26,480 --> 01:55:35,599
came into mind. Um and of course I am I
agree with all of you guys and

1493
01:55:32,560 --> 01:55:42,639
supporting the city supporting uh city
manager chief. Uh I just think that we

1494
01:55:39,360 --> 01:55:49,760
should be addressing it for the for the
public and just uh for the record and um

1495
01:55:46,480 --> 01:55:56,239
and I agree when I came on initially
this it wasn't like what it is today. Um

1496
01:55:53,280 --> 01:56:02,480
so we are 100 times I would say 100
times better than we were when I came

1497
01:55:58,320 --> 01:56:06,719
into council. Um, and then also the
planning. That's great because of I'm

1498
01:56:05,199 --> 01:56:10,719
great that I'm glad that we're going to
have some type of plan. There's so many

1499
01:56:09,119 --> 01:56:14,960
things that are going on in the world,
earthquakes and fires and things like

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01:56:12,400 --> 01:56:18,960
that. So, I think it it's very important
and thank you for sharing that

1501
01:56:17,040 --> 01:56:24,639
information and for being part of that
committee. Um, by the time we get back

1502
01:56:21,679 --> 01:56:28,560
to our next meeting, and this is just
coincidence that I'm wearing this shirt,

1503
01:56:26,320 --> 01:56:34,480
but it um it's going to be Hispanic
Heritage Month. uh September 15 to

1504
01:56:30,639 --> 01:56:42,320
August or October 15, excuse me. So um
but yeah, so have um gosh already

1505
01:56:38,800 --> 01:56:45,119
summer's gone. So happy fall everyone.
>> Quick. [laughter]

1506
01:56:43,679 --> 01:56:48,639
» Council President Millard, you want to
add anything?

1507
01:56:45,679 --> 01:56:55,280
» Oh, just glad to be back in person. I
miss you all. Um and uh Sean, do you

1508
01:56:52,239 --> 01:57:00,320
have I did you get what you needed from
us and the city about proceeding with

1509
01:56:57,520 --> 01:57:06,000
that project or you feel like you
>> this is just the first steps this

1510
01:57:03,599 --> 01:57:11,199
evening. been something floating around
in my head that it's actually started to

1511
01:57:08,320 --> 01:57:15,199
work this evening with my conversation
with Lori that gave me a place that all

1512
01:57:13,679 --> 01:57:20,480
right there's a current place that I can
begin with this knowing what's been

1513
01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:25,599
approved and my my intention is to focus
on let's start with the main thorough

1514
01:57:22,880 --> 01:57:30,320
affairs and main parks first because
those are the most public and then once

1515
01:57:28,239 --> 01:57:35,199
we can document those we can see how the
documentation works see what we need to

1516
01:57:32,800 --> 01:57:40,639
reply and then go out there.
>> Yeah. Susan, do you recall when we had

1517
01:57:37,599 --> 01:57:45,119
that tree? We had somebody come in and
talk to us. It was probably four or five

1518
01:57:42,800 --> 01:57:49,760
years ago now. And
>> right after I started

1519
01:57:46,719 --> 01:57:54,000
» Okay. Yeah. And it I I have a feeling
that's going to be really useful

1520
01:57:52,000 --> 01:57:57,760
information for
>> you, but I just want to make sure that

1521
01:57:55,599 --> 01:58:01,119
city manager and I want to make sure
that we're giving you what you need

1522
01:57:59,760 --> 01:58:05,440
because it sounds like an amazing
awesome project. it will be a hit for

1523
01:58:02,880 --> 01:58:09,679
the community. So, um I just want to
make sure we have some wheels on this

1524
01:58:08,800 --> 01:58:13,679
thing, I guess.
>> Yeah, just reach out to uh Lori or

1525
01:58:11,520 --> 01:58:17,599
myself. We can find that report if it
was done. I I haven't seen it myself,

1526
01:58:15,280 --> 01:58:21,760
but we could probably find that.
>> It was an intern Portland State

1527
01:58:19,440 --> 01:58:25,520
University, right? Yeah. Canopy
>> that's ringing a bell

1528
01:58:22,480 --> 01:58:32,159
» cover study. Yeah.
>> Um All right. Well, I got one minute. Um

1529
01:58:30,480 --> 01:58:37,920
really bright anything say no I
appreciate it again um just kind of for

1530
01:58:34,639 --> 01:58:43,280
the record you know Ben and Chief 100%
support um you know we don't always

1531
01:58:40,800 --> 01:58:48,080
bring it up public meeting but we do I
think we all talk to you guys on a

1532
01:58:44,880 --> 01:58:52,560
regular basis and and you you give us
all the information that's important and

1533
01:58:50,080 --> 01:58:56,800
pertinent and um I think you guys are
doing a great job and really appreciate

1534
01:58:54,560 --> 01:59:00,400
the team we have right now uh with
public works director Turner now on

1535
01:58:59,040 --> 01:59:06,560
board. I think we've got a really good
team. I really look uh forward to all of

1536
01:59:03,440 --> 01:59:10,599
our meetings. So, appreciate it and um
thanks. Have a good night.