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Okay, good evening everyone. Uh, welcome
to the March 23rd, 2026 city council

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meeting. I will now call the meeting to
order. Um, Councilman Steel, will you

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say the pledge, please?

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» And over your heart, repeat after me. I
aliance to the flag of the United States

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of America and to the republic for which
it stands. One nation under God,

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indivisible, with liberty and justice
for all.

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» Thank you very much. Uh, city clerk,
will you please take role? Council

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member Calm,
>> here.

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» Council member Sen here.
>> Council member Steel

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» here.
>> Mayor Prom Wang

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» here. and Mayor Landau
>> here. At this time, Mayor, I would also

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like to note that there has been a
change to the presentation title on

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tonight's agenda. The reference to the
Orange County Fire Authority has been

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removed. The present presentation now
reads, "Special presentation by the

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Orange County Firefighters Local 3631
by President Chris Ham." Thank you very

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much.
>> And with that, I would now like to call

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up Orange County Firefighters Local 3631
President Chris Ham.

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Good evening, Mayor and Council. My name
is Chris Ham. I'm president of Orange

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County Professional Firefighters and
Labor Leader of over,200 men and women

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that serve this community every day. I'm
here this evening with Battalion 1 BC

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Brian Man, Engine 44 crew. Um Oh,

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uh local 3631 Vice President Justin
Dylan.

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And we're here this evening to honor
council member and former OCFA director

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Joe Calm. Uh for those of you that
aren't aware, Joe Calm served on our

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OCFA board of directors, which is made
up of 25 elected officials. across the

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county of Orange. Joe has the distinct
honor of not only serving as uh Seal

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Beach's representative, but also being a
former volunteer firefighter with the

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Seal Beach Fire Department prior to
coming to OCFA. And you may be asking

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yourself why that matters. Uh most
people when they think of Orange County

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firefighters, they think of the engines
or trucks that you see driving down the

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street and you think of firefighters
responding to cats and trees or

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structure fires or vehicle fires. But
the reality is the firefighters of today

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do so much more. We are more akin to an
all-risk agency. Our firefighters

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respond to everything from active
shooters to weapons of mass destruction.

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And while you think what does that have
to do with elected officials? Well, we

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have 25 elected officials on our board
who make the determination on the type

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of equipment, the type of staffing, and
the type of financial support our

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firefighters are going to get to respond
to those types of emergencies. When we

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have an elected official like Joe Camck
who has prior experience, it makes our

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job significantly easier to have those
more complex conversations. And so we're

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here this evening to thank him for his
support of our members. thank him for

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his support of his service to his
community and recognize that having an

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opportunity for a council member like
Joe Calm to step aside in his final year

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as an elected official to allow Mayor
Landau to step up to the board is not

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only beneficial to us as firefighters,
but it's beneficial to the Seal Beach

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residents because you not only have a
professional on the fire engines that

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ride on the engines and trucks or the
battalion chiefs that ride in BC wagons,

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but you have somebody who sat in the
room. So when Mayor Landau has a

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question, she has multiple resources to
reach out to. So with that, I want to

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say thank you for your service, Joe. I
want to present you with this plaque,

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and hopefully we can get you down here
to take a picture along with Engine 44

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and Battalion One.

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Do we need to sit or can we stand?
>> Who's taking a picture? Corey, are we

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okay standing?
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» these guys might need to smush.
>> I'll send them to all of y'all.

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take it home.
>> Okay. Later. Thank you.

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» Yes.

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» Joe, real quick, if you just hold up the
plaque. I just want to make reference to

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the 44 on the side of the helmet. There
is uh downtown Seal Beach Fire Station

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44. So,

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» I'm going to ask Mayor uh Prom Wong to
help me save my voice a little bit. So,

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we'll be switching up.
>> Oh, I'm so sorry. Joe, would you like to

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make a comment?
>> Sure. Um,

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I just want to say what a pleasure and
an honor um, it's been to spend 40

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years.
Um, considering I could never decide if

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I wanted to be a cowboy or a fireman
when I was a kid. I at least was able to

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pick one and and uh have a a career
almost. Um, I certainly appreciate the

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recognition
and uh it was it it was a hell of a

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ride, believe me. So, I want to thank
everybody for all the support. Thanks.

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Thank you, Mayor. uh for oral
communications. At this time, members of

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the public may address the council
regarding any items within the subject

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matter juris jurisdiction of the city
council. Pursuant to the Brown Act, the

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council cannot discuss or take action on
any items not on the agenda unless

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authorized by law. Matters not on the
agenda may at council's discretion be

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referred to the city manager and placed
on a future agenda. All speakers will be

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limited to a period of 5 minutes.
Speakers must address their comments

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only to the mayor and the entire city
council and not to any individual member

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of the staff or audience. Any documents
for review should be presented to the

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city clerk for distribution. Speaker
cards are available at the clerk's desk

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for those wishing to sign up to address
the council. Although the submission of

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a speaker card is not required in order
to address the council.

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And I believe we have our first uh
public meeting speaker card is for

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Charles Krueger. Sure.

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» Honorable Mayor Landau and esteemed
members of the city council. My name is

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Lion John Schroeder of the Seal Beach
Lions Club. I am here to announce and

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introduce one of the least vocal members
of the Seal Beach Lions Club, namely

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Lion Jellybean Bunny.
Many of you know Jellybean is one of the

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quietest members of our club.
In fact, she asked our board to appoint

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a loudmouth member of our club to speak
for her. Naturally, my name came up.

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In any event, we're here to announce the
2026 Easter egg hunt taking place at

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Eisenhower Park on April 4, 2026
at 9:00 a.m. sharp. Miss Bunnikans or a

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reasonable faximile thereof
will be there to present the start of

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the event and to take photos with
children and or adults or city council

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people.
This is an annual fun event hosted by

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the Sil Beach Lions Club. Please plan to
attend to show your support. And I might

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add, on a plus side, for elected
officials such as yourself, this event

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gives you a prime opportunity to meet
and mingle with your constituents in

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beautiful Seal Beach. And best of all
for you, the hunt itself lasts only five

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minutes.
So we hope that you can be there. And as

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a token uh and a reminder of the event,
each of you have received a relatively

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worthless
plastic egg. Now, what happened,

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Bunnings? You sat down. We have You
forgot about the obligatory photo.

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» You know, we have to have the obligatory
photo.

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» Take it easy, Bunnings.

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Okay,
>> John, you want to come up?

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» Speak up, mayor, so that she knows where
you are.

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» Why don't we Why don't we go down there?
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» Want to go down there?
>> All right.

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» Here we go.
>> For the obligatory photo.

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» Do you want to go up there, John?

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» Thank you.

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Thank you, buddy.

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» She has more eggs to fill, so we're
going to leave you now. Goodbye.

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» Thank you very much. Um, our next
speaker, Charles Krueger.

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That was interesting.
Uh, Charlie Kuger, College Park East.

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I'd just like to bring to uh council's
attention what's going on in College

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Park East with uh the development and
now that they're approaching the state.

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Um, back when the uh project was
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uh, it was brought to everyone's
attention and it's on the record that

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the sewer issue was going to be costly
and it was going to the exact words in

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the EIR was that the sewer was going to
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Lamson LLC was part of that process.
Currently, Lamson LLC is a partner with

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LAR.
They should have communicated this with

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LAR. Now, LAR is approaching the state
to force,

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I guess, the city, us to do something
for LAR at our cost. What we're trying

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to remind the city here is that we have
an obligation to the uh golf course

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development which is within our city,
not the Lamson project which is uh in

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Los Al.
We're obligated to do affordable housing

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and all those units are going to tax our
sewer system.

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We have a responsibility to those
projects pro before the lampson project

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and we'd like that brought to the
state's attention. It's an issue that

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that that needs to be put on the table.
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paramount. Um Lamson LLC
should have made a lot of things

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disclosed to uh LAR. Uh we understand
now that there's uh some issues with the

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Quimby fee uh which was brought up at
the uh the EIR

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at uh Lassal
approval

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and because the state relaxed its EIR
issues, why is Seal Beach being taxed or

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being responsible for certain
requirements? It's going to be costly

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for us. those costs should be put on or
worked out with the city of Loal.

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That's really what we wanted to bring to
attention. One other issue we'd like to

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try to bring to light
um the lamps and well we understand is

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going to be finally
uh the uh the project is going to start

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repairs. We'd like to an accounting of
how many months, years that the project

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has not been run efficiently. How many
years has that lampson well after it was

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remodeled?

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Why how many why I'm having a hard time
explaining this, but it hasn't run at

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100% efficiency really since it was
remodeled. and it's been quite about

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quite a long time and I think for for uh
a coste effective project we should look

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at that item. Um we at College Park East
have been on the short end of that and

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we need an efficient uh well and we're
asking for some kind of accountability

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on that.
One other item, uh, I brought it up

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earlier in an earlier meeting. We'd like
the city to consider any kind of, uh,

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electrical items brought up or new
revisions to any kind of issues.

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An item should be also considered as far
as uh an efficient cost effective item

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should be a um a u

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rather than running something with
Edison or lighting it should be a u

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» 30 seconds Charles
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» solar
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consideration.
Any item should be automatically

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considered uh a solar project. At least
the the cost efficiencies should be

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looked at. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Charles.

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» Um that is uh the one and only public
speaking uh meeting speaking speaker

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card that I have. Is there anybody else
that would like to make a comment?

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Yes, please. If you can state your name
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» Uh my name is uh Scott Fet. I've been a
uh College Park East resident for over

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20 years. Uh I just want to bring up a
couple of things. Uh put a little bit

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more of a face on it. Um I happen to
live on Hazelnut between Rose and

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Heather. the Lamson project will impact
me quite significantly. Uh, a couple of

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things downtown, the parking, we all
know that it's been terrible. Or

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actually, actually, I don't think it's
that bad. I've never had a problem

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finding a spot, but you did so much
work. You had committees. You passed so

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many laws and, you know, about moving
the cars and all the work that went into

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making sure that the parking downtown
was as equitable and as fair as

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possible. I'd like you to take that into
consideration where I live. in my

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neighborhood because if that project
goes in, there isn't enough parking. We

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all know that. So, where are they going
to park? They're going to park where I

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am. Okay? So, as much work and effort
and all that time and energy and

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resources you put into figuring out
downtown parking, if this project goes

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through, please consider our parking
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Uh the other thing I want to bring up is
I was uh very involved with my children

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with the school district.
There is no lefthand turn. There is no

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bus turnaround.
If you have ever driven on Lamson A in

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the morning when we have that mist in
there where you can't see 30 feet in

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front of you,
it is incredibly dangerous.

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There have been several people that have
died on Lampson A since I've lived here.

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What are we going to do of all those
residents and all those children who are

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crossing that road
in the morning with the mist? And I know

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the police force has driven that road.
You know how dangerous it is. You can be

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going along, you're going along, and
speed limits 45. I'm sure everyone only

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does 45. And it goes from completely
clear to all of a sudden you hit a mist

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and you can't see 10 ft.
So, we're going to have elementary

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school, middle school, high school kids
that are going to have to cross that

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road
to get to Heather Park to pick up the

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bus.
Lamson is a dangerous road,

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especially for children who may not be
as aware and not paying attention.

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That is an incredible credible burden
for us and the police force to monitor

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that to make sure it's safe for all
these children.

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The other thing is is my road where I
live is going to turn into a freeway

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because every single person that leaves
that complex, if they're going to work

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to Seal Beach Boulevard, they'll make
that right. They're going, but when they

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come home, they're going to have to make
that they're going to have to make that

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turn. So, they're going to turn down
Heather, rip down my street, come up

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roads, and come around. If they have to
go out the other way, if they're going

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to value View, they're going to go to
Heather. They're going to turn and

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they're going to come flying down my
street. Our

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police force is incredible. I know some
of them. Of course, Yoshi everyone

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loves, but um
I won't say he's my favorite, but u but

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the police force does a great job. But
this isn't going to be another burden on

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them. How are they going to keep my
street safe and my kids?

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Uh I'm going to be a grandparent in a
couple weeks. I'm super excited. How are

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they going to what are they going to do
if my grandkid is coming and I've got

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all these extra traffic? And this isn't
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where all those trucks are going to have
to go somewhere. They're going to have

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to turn around.
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think about it and have a little uh I'm
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compassion of how it's going to affect I
moved to Seal Beach. I grew up in

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upstate New York. Okay. They call Seal
Beach the Mayberry by the sea. I grew up

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in Mayberry, a little town in Colony.
Top 10 safest cities and blah blah blah

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in in the country when I was growing up.
Fantastic. I love College Park East.

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It's so warm. It's so inviting.
It's Little Mayberry. It's so nice. This

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Lamson project is going to change that.
From what I can see, Loal reaps all the

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benefits,
all of the pluses.

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And the city of Seal Beach, which I know
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we are going to suffer all of the
negative. it is going to negatively

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affect our quality of life.
>> There you go, Scott.

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» Thank you. So, I just wanted to say my
piece, give you a little bit of human

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perspective of someone that's going to
be really affected by this. And I

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appreciate your time. Thank you very
much for everyone for listening. And the

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Easter Bunny was awesome. That was
incredible. Those lines are incredible.

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Thank you very much. Have a wonderful
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» Thank you, Scott.

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Uh, is there anyone else who would like
to address the council? Yes, please. If

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you can state your name and
neighborhood, please.

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Hi, good afternoon. My name is Robert
Jackson. I'm a resident of College Park

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East. My home is located in close
proximity to the 405 freeway sound wall.

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A few weeks ago, my wife Lucille Jackson
addressed this council and presented

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data we have been collecting from our
second story window documenting

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excessive freeway noise levels that are
in clear violation of California code

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S1162
pertaining to the soundwall. Uh I am

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here today not to specifically speak
about that to speak about one of the

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root causes uh of this excessive noise
and propose practical solutions that

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could be implemented in the near term
while long-term improvements to the

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soundwall are considered. The stretch of
the 405 freeway begins at Bolsuchica

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Road and and ends at Seal Beach
Boulevard. It's approximately 2 miles of

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straight roadway. Uh on a daily basis,
uh we hear vehicles, particularly the

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motorcycles and cars with modified
exhaust systems using this stretch of

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the freeway to accelerate excessively.
Under California Vehicle Code 27151, it

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is illegal to modify a vehicle's exhaust
system to exceed 95 dB at the source.

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However, based on our measurements, this
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Over the past several weeks, we have
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from our home, which is approximately
450 plus feet away from the wall uh

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which is separated by that 18 ft sound
wall. Uh according to the distance to

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this uh accounting for this distance and
attenuation, this strongly suggests that

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vehicles themselves are producing sound
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In addition to these daily occurrences,
there are recurring issues on weekends,

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illegal street racing. These events
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a.m. The vehicles involved are often
high performance cars with very loud

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engines. And from our vantage point,
they appear to be accelerating near

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Buluch Chica overpass and continuing the
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Boulevard where they de accelerate.
The result is sudden extreme noise and

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that disrupts the entire neighborhood,
waking even deeper sleepers in College

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Park East and nearby Washmore where we
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Um, just to give provide clarity what
that 2-m struts is capable of, a a stock

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Corvette 0 to 60 in 3 seconds could hit
200 mph by the time it hits Sil Beach

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Boulevard when starting at the Bolts
Chico Road. Um, that is the problem I'm

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here to address and I respectfully ask
that Seal Beach Police Department work

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in coordination with the California
Highway Patrol to implement effective

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deterrence. Why? While I understand the
jurisdiction jurisdiction jurisdiction

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limits, there is an opportunity
opportunity here to collaborate to

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improve the quality of life for the
residents. I would like to prop propose

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two solutions. First, the placement of a
parked CHP CHP vehicle near the near the

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Bulsa Chica overpass equipped with a
noise activated system. When sound

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levels exceed 95 dB, the system would
trigger flashing red and blue lights for

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a short duration, 30 seconds maybe,
serving as a visible deterrent to

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excessive accelerations in racing.
Second, the installation of a similar

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noise activated device along the top of
the freeway sound wall with in strategic

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locations. These systems would function
in the same way creating a consistent

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deterrent uh present along the freeway.
These solutions are relatively low cost,

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scalable, and could significantly reduce
illegal racing and excessive noise uh

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vehicle noise. For context, I'm a
principal mechanical engineer working

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for a local defense contractor where I
design and build unmanned systems. I am

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suitable, but if a suitable
off-the-shelf solution does not exist, I

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am confident I in my ability to help
design and implement such a device. I

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understand that the freeway falls under
the jurisdiction of CHP, not the Seal

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Beach Police Department. However, I
respectfully ask that the city take

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initiative in advocating for the in
supporting these solutions in part in

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partnership with the CHP. Thank you.
That's it. Thank you, Robert.

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Uh, are there any other speakers? Yes.

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Mayor Lando, city council, city staff,
thank you for your time tonight. My name

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is Darren Dillion with Nashville on the
Coast, and I want to start off by

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thanking all the city council for being
on opening night this past uh past week.

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It was very appreciative that you guys
were there to support. I just wanted to

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give a brief update on this year's
Nashville on the Coast Festival. We had

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five days of music. Each day was at a
different venue. There were 47 different

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songwriters from all over the country
that came here to perform that week. Uh

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from myself and my staff, I'd like to
thank you and the city of Seal Beach for

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all your support and hopefully we can
grow it even better next year. So, I

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want to thank you. Also, thank Chief for
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So, thank you all. Have a great night.
>> Thank you, Darren.

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Uh, good evening, Mayor Landau, city
council, and and city staff. Um, my name

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is Corey Deleó, and I proudly represent
the Seal Beach Chamber um as their their

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Gaka Gak co-chair along with our well,
your own Patty Senagal.

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We would like to recognize the new
members. We continue to grow here at the

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Seal Beach uh chamber. Our new members
are Careuilders at Home, Alzheimer's

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Association of Orange County, Diane
Wellness, the Youth Center, Lee

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Austinorf,
and um our brand new bronze level

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sponsor um Seal Beach Teriyak who is
offering free delivery in Oldtown and up

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on the hill. Uh so again, we really
encourage if if you are thinking about

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doing business, it's one of the things
I'm most proud about Seal Beach is that

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we continue to support our own. Want to
continue to um ask you to support that.

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We do have some upcoming chamber events
and uh thanks to uh Patty's suggestion,

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we will be emailing you a copy of these.
You don't have to write them down, but

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I'm going to list them um all the same.
On March 25th, we have our speed

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networking 5:30 p.m. at Fire Station 48.
on March 28th, a big day. We have run

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Seal Beach um from um and we just
encourage all of our businesses and our

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residents to understand that they're
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a.m. to 11:00 a.m. Um later that night,
we have the youth center casino um

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casino night at Rush Park in Rosmore.
March 31st, we have social media

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workshop from 11:30 uh at 11:30 in the
morning uh fire station 48. So if you

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are ready to get your social media game
up, this is the place to go and figure

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out how to do that. On April 9th, um we
will have our annual or manual monthly

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uh networking breakfast bright and early
at 7:30 at Ali's featuring Natalie

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Wilson who will speak to us about
Olympic dreams and how to get into those

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games. On April 9th, uh the ambassador's
meeting um right after the chamber right

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after that um networking meeting will
happen at the chamber office at 9:30.

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April 10th, um we have an exciting new
ribbon cutting. April Ray by the Sea is

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a um new children's space. Um and it
will be the grand opening will be at uh

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12 p.m. located at 13924 Sil Beach
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I can't believe it, but it's already
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should say start with April 25th is the
car show, but April April 15th, we are

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going to have a car show kickoff
5:00 p.m. at um, 3:20 Maine. Um, so as

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as we know, we have the annual car show.
U, typically that's going to run from

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9:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m. It is sold out.
However, there is a wait list and we do

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encourage anybody that's interested to
contact the chamber to get on that

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weight list. We are looking for vendors.
If you would like to if you or you have

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a business that would like to sponsor a
trophy, it's only a mere $125 and that

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will sponsor the trophy that actually
features wood from the um old pier. Uh

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we are looking for volunteers for that.
May 28th, we will have a nonprofit panel

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from 11:30 in the morning at the Epson
building. that's going to be

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co-sponsored with the Loal Chamber and
there is sponsorship opportunity there.

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June 13th uh right around the corner
will be the 19th annual Be More Healthy

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Expo. We want to give quick
congratulations

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to um Lion Terry Young who um who was
named Senator Strickland's 2026 woman of

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distinction. I believe Maryland was
there for that presentation

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uh this past weekend. We were so honored
uh to be to be around for while we

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honored Ray Longoria as our Seal Beach
Citizen of the Year at the Americana

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Festival. Uh want to give quick
congratulations to a very successful

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farmers market opening at the Seal Beach
Pier. And we want to let everybody know

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um that's going to be every Friday from
9 to 2 o'clock. Um our own community was

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featured in beach.com. So, we want
everybody to go to beach.com and see

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what and see all the fantastic things
Seal Beach has to offer. As if you

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didn't know. Um,
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» We're going to do this quickly. I would
be remiss if I didn't say

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congratulations to Joe Calm. His
dedication

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um as a as a firefighter is is well
known um but so appreciated. So,

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quickly, I'm going to try to do this as
fast as I can. Gold level sponsors. We

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don't do this without our sponsors.
Boeing Lions Club of Seal Beach, F&M

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Bank for Public Services, Silver Level
Sponsors, All Protection Services,

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Golden West College, Glowwaukee
Chiropractic, Lisa Kovac Residential

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Real Estate, Pavilions, The Law Offices
of Justin Heim, Pearl Vision, Think

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Boutique, Sip Safe Solutions, and Sale
Beach Chiropractic. Thank you so much.

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» Thank you, Corey.

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Are there any additional speakers?
I'd like to reclaim my time, please.

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» Good evening, Mayor Landau, city council
staff, and first responders. My name is

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Chad Bellinger. I am the president of
Seal Beach City Rotary, and I have been

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a resident of Oldtown for the last 18
years. Since we last gathered, uh, Seal

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Beach City Rotary hosted Mayor Landau as
our guest speaker, and she gave us an

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update of her past accomplishments and
current goals. Uh and again it was a

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pleasure working with city staff Lauren
Barrett and Jennifer Robels on that

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project and thank you city manager
Patrick Gyos for also attending. It was

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a pleasure to have you. We also had the
pleasure of witnessing that afternoon

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Sister Flood receive a badge from Chief
Henderson as the newest member of the

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Seal Beach Police Department chaplain
program. Uh it's a blessing for our city

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and an honor for her as well. I have
since attended the settlement project uh

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which was at Spagatini. Their mission is
to reinstall faith and family in the

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election process with the 2026 elections
coming up. I also attended the OC GOP

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March assembly where I had the pleasure
of witnessing Council Member Nathan

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Steel receive the party's endorsement.
Congratulations, sir. I attended the

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Leisure World America First Republican
Club to hear council member Mayor Prom

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Ben Wong speak on his recent trip to
Washington and report on his work with

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FEMA and HUD. Excellent, excellent work
with HUD. That was a huge

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accomplishment.
Rotary's new initiative, Walk with the

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Sun. Of course, we are delivering
newspapers into Oldtown and this is the

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second week that we have done it. And
last week we did fourth, fifth, 6th,

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7th, and 8th Street in Oldtown with
getting our Sun newspaper back into

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circulation. I had coffee with Chief
Henderson at Bogarts and and we had a

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chance to visit with council members
Steel and Calm that morning as well. And

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then I took a walk through farmers
market, which I believe is a great

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addition to the city, uh, one of the
resources that we now have to offer, and

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picked up some cabbage. So,
congratulations to the chamber. Uh Corey

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and I think Peter had some work to do
with that. Excellent. And the city, it's

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a wonderful addition. Uh Saturday, I
participated in the Save Our Beach

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Cleanup. I am getting my steps in.
Yesterday, we celebrated my 50th

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birthday and I want to just remind
everyone not to complain about growing

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older as it is a privilege denied to
many.

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Tomorrow at noon at Old Ranch, we
welcome Golden Age Foundation President,

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Miss Anna Derby. And Anna will tell us
about her service projects that she has

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led over the last 20 years in Leisure
World. She is a powerhouse. Uh for more

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information, please visit our website at
seal beachcityrootary.com

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or call the office line at 562-509-8640.

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I have a couple more spots if there's
any council members who represent

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Leisure World and would like to attend.
Thank you so much for your time this

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evening and I wish you a providential
meeting. Thank you.

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» Thanks, Chad.

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» Uh any other interested speakers? Yes.

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Ken Scythe from College Park West. Hi
again, uh, mayor, council, our staff,

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and first responders. I want to thank
you tonight for continuing to listen

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and, uh, have your interest in, uh, the
outlying areas of the city, in

410
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:54,079
particular, College Park West and
College Park East. Um, I think our city

411
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:59,040
always hopes to cooperate with projects,
including for our neighbors, but I think

412
00:58:57,359 --> 00:59:03,680
it's been pretty well demonstrated that
there are very few, if any, tangible or

413
00:59:01,359 --> 00:59:09,040
significant benefits to these projects
at College Park East and uh, College

414
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:13,280
Park West. Um, I'd like to say tonight
that I I can't speak for everybody

415
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:17,200
anywhere, especially College Park West,
but I think many residents of College

416
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:21,359
Park West support College Park East
strongly. And I think I mentioned here

417
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:26,000
before that I've lived in Sil Beach for
over 50 years. I lived 26 years in

418
00:59:23,839 --> 00:59:31,119
College Park West in the last I'm sorry,
East in the last 23 in College Park

419
00:59:28,799 --> 00:59:35,359
West. And when we lived in College Park
East, we did experience storm water

420
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:39,280
flooding. It didn't happen too often,
but there were some scary times. I'm not

421
00:59:37,359 --> 00:59:44,559
going to take time today to talk about
that. The time my kids were trapped uh

422
00:59:42,319 --> 00:59:48,880
when the water came up to the porch and
then also sewer backups. So, I've lived

423
00:59:47,359 --> 00:59:56,000
through those and those are real,
although hopefully not too often. Uh

424
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:59,440
the the uh benefits to the College Park
East project uh according to what I

425
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:04,400
heard last week when the attorney
testified were $1 million storm water

426
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:10,480
studies, traffic improvement, and other
benefits, whatever that means, 1.22

427
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:14,799
million in permit revenues. my
understanding but I don't have the exact

428
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:19,359
figures but the the the amounts that
would be required to com to really

429
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:24,880
improve our sewer system are in the
multi-millions of dollars so I think

430
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:30,160
that's the whole sewer system very old
uh and the storm water improvements also

431
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:33,040
are in the millions of dollars so to me
that's not really a fair trade-off I

432
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:38,319
don't know that they would have to pay
for everything but this isn't about

433
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:42,559
trying to get something I don't think
that's any any again I don't feel that

434
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:47,839
that's what we're trying to do here. But
if there are risks and dangers, then I

435
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:53,760
think we can expect to have some type of
uh negotiation in kind to to try to

436
01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:58,400
mitigate those things. Um
at College Park West, we have the bridge

437
01:00:56,559 --> 01:01:02,640
and there are other alternatives. There
are already two pipelines on the bridge.

438
01:01:00,799 --> 01:01:07,040
One is an oil pipeline. So they're
planning two more. How many pipelines

439
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:11,599
can a small neighborhood is there? Would
there be two more in another few years?

440
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:17,440
is the magic number four six I I don't
know in uh

441
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:22,640
in uh in College Park East of course uh
you know the the threats to the storm

442
01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:27,680
water and the sewer. So at College Park
West again it's the you know shortterm

443
01:01:25,839 --> 01:01:33,119
with the construction and longer term
risks to the bridge uh when it already

444
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:39,520
needs much improvement.
So um and again as was testified last

445
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:44,720
week by uh Mr. Janisk from our from our
neighborhood. These disasters where

446
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:49,760
something fails are not common, thank
God, like the dam he talked about. But

447
01:01:47,119 --> 01:01:54,160
if it happens, there are no detours in
Seal Beach and I mean in College Park

448
01:01:51,839 --> 01:01:59,280
West. And if uh there are other bridges
and other alternatives that they can DWT

449
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:07,280
can use, I don't see why they can't use
those. I wanted to bring up an article

450
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:11,040
from the Long Beach um paper. Uh which
one was it? The post on the second

451
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:15,040
street bridge, the Davies Bridge over to
Naples. There was an article that that's

452
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:19,839
supposed to be improved and now it's on
hold. The Olympics uh the traffic

453
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:23,760
problems and that's determined to be
structurally deficient, which are the

454
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:30,480
exact same words utilized for our bridge
in College Park West. The the the

455
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:33,920
article was from 22726.
But even in the worst case scenario,

456
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:37,040
there are detours, although they're
really out of the way. They mentioned in

457
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:41,760
the article that one of them would be
Studebaker Road, uh, which of course is

458
01:02:39,599 --> 01:02:45,440
now under big-time construction if
you've been up there with the Studebaker

459
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:51,520
Road improvement, which it does need,
but uh, so there's a lot to think about

460
01:02:48,079 --> 01:02:56,640
there. Again, College Park West has no
detours. There is no other way in and

461
01:02:53,920 --> 01:03:01,680
out. So the la last thing I'd like to
just mention is the um

462
01:02:59,839 --> 01:03:05,680
again I kind of talked about this in the
past and they never really have enough

463
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:12,160
time but so to think about what would
happen if uh if actually the college the

464
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:14,880
Hannes projects are delayed. The DWP
always starts off all their

465
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:19,520
presentations that they're under the gun
from the state water board. They have to

466
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:24,000
get these projects approved by 228 or
229. But what if they don't? Are they

467
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:28,720
going to get fined? uh you know they
have tremendous political and financial

468
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:32,319
clout. They could fight it in court. Uh
they could get political clout to delay

469
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:36,880
it. We as a city of Seal Beach and
Orange County could support them and say

470
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:42,480
they need a delay. Uh I and then to try
to find another route or uh another uh

471
01:03:40,079 --> 01:03:45,520
approach. But the bottom line is
>> Time is up, Ken.

472
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:49,200
» Okay. The bottom line is uh I don't know
that there's going to be a major problem

473
01:03:47,039 --> 01:03:54,400
for them if they we can delay this and
they can um find some other route or

474
01:03:51,920 --> 01:04:00,280
alternative uh to the using the College
Park West Bridge. Thank you for your

475
01:03:56,079 --> 01:04:00,280
time. Thank you, Ken.

476
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:21,359
I'm Katherine Sho Walter, resident of
College Park East. Um, good evening,

477
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:26,480
Mayor Landau, Prom Mayor Wong, um, and
other elected

478
01:04:24,319 --> 01:04:32,480
representatives, Steel, Senal, and
Comic, our city council. Um so this

479
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:38,000
evening I just basically because my
conscious is telling me that I've been a

480
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:43,920
nag about the Olympics since the uh
strategic planning committee met back in

481
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:48,640
2023 and I was saying okay the Olympics
are five years out do we have any

482
01:04:45,599 --> 01:04:54,000
planning started and then again at 2024
okay 2025 yay now we have something

483
01:04:51,839 --> 01:04:58,319
going and I'm just wanting to say thank
you um something probably would have

484
01:04:56,160 --> 01:05:03,520
been happening anyway without me
nagging, but I just feel like um I've

485
01:05:01,359 --> 01:05:08,319
I'm invested in this and I so look
forward to seeing how this all plays out

486
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:12,240
with ideas that come forward from the
people that are being selected. So,

487
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:15,640
thank you.
>> Thank you, Katherine.

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01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:23,400
» Any other comments?
Yes.

489
01:05:30,799 --> 01:05:37,200
Hello, city council. Um, my name is Rod
McTar and I'm a resident of uh, College

490
01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:40,960
Park East. Um, wanted to talk a little
bit about the lead lampson project and

491
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:45,920
and some of my concerns regarding
specifically safety. Um, so we're

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01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:49,680
already seeing signs of the
infrastructure stress as was um,

493
01:05:47,839 --> 01:05:54,480
mentioned earlier. The during the heavy
rain, the sewer manholes tend to bubble

494
01:05:52,319 --> 01:05:58,559
up already. This is a system under
pressure. My concern is we're adding

495
01:05:56,160 --> 01:06:02,960
more pressure. Um the study that was
done was done by the developer. Uh I

496
01:06:01,599 --> 01:06:07,680
would like to see an independent study
done um before we stress a system that's

497
01:06:05,599 --> 01:06:14,000
already that's already having issues. Um
and go also I know was mentioned earlier

498
01:06:10,799 --> 01:06:18,720
on the no left turn. Um that's really a
concern to me. I live at uh Guava uh

499
01:06:16,799 --> 01:06:22,960
which is just just a little further down
from from Heather and Heather Park.

500
01:06:20,559 --> 01:06:25,760
Heather Park is right there. Um so many
of our children play there. We have a

501
01:06:24,319 --> 01:06:30,240
beautiful new park that we're excited
about. I'm going to, you know, I can see

502
01:06:28,559 --> 01:06:34,160
a lot of people making that U-turn
there. There's so many kids on bikes.

503
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:38,240
There's kids playing in the park.
There's balls that run into the streets.

504
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:42,640
Um, you know, we can always watch our
kids. I know that's our personal

505
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:46,079
responsibility, but you know, um, some
of the stuff that could happen and and

506
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:49,200
and I'm thinking about people rushing to
work eventually when this project's done

507
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:53,440
and making those U-turns. You know,
these accidents only have to happen

508
01:06:50,559 --> 01:06:57,920
once. They're tragic. Um I I work as a
physician in my medical career. I've

509
01:06:54,880 --> 01:07:02,480
seen lots of these accidents and I just
I can't in good conscious not come here

510
01:06:59,839 --> 01:07:06,079
and address you all about it. Um we
don't have a plan. Um and and that's

511
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:08,799
concerning to me. You know, I think
whatever needs to happen needs to

512
01:07:07,359 --> 01:07:12,480
happen, but I think we do need to have a
plan for our infrastructure and for our

513
01:07:10,799 --> 01:07:16,799
our safety and most importantly our
children's safety. And um that just

514
01:07:14,559 --> 01:07:20,000
doesn't sit well with me that we haven't
really I mean we've talked about it, but

515
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:25,200
we don't have a plan for that. and and
I'd really love to see us um going

516
01:07:22,559 --> 01:07:28,559
forward have that looked at also with
the liability and the risk of the uh

517
01:07:27,359 --> 01:07:32,400
sewer system which I don't want to be
labor I know was talked about earlier

518
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:36,160
but we need to have a million dollars I
mean that you know for this and and

519
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:39,039
what's going to go on in the future um
if the system breaks down who's going to

520
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:44,000
be responsible what are we going to do
about it so um that's just my ask is

521
01:07:42,319 --> 01:07:47,440
that I would really hope that we could
have a little bit better of a plan

522
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:49,680
before moving forward and I really
appreciate you guys hearing me out today

523
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:53,079
thank
Thank you, Ron.

524
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:10,799
» Uh Dan Brandt, uh College Prius
resident. Uh thank you, city council and

525
01:08:08,559 --> 01:08:14,319
mayor. Um first of all, just kind of
want to I'm going to talk about some

526
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:18,080
real stuff. I know you've heard a lot of
the infrastructure, you've heard about

527
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:21,440
the sewer line, you about safety, a lot
of different things. I want to give you

528
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:25,600
a couple analogies just to to kind of
hopefully hit home with you because I

529
01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:29,679
understand that there's big money behind
this project, right? And I understand

530
01:08:27,440 --> 01:08:34,000
the stress. I read the letter from the
lawyer. I read all that and I understand

531
01:08:32,159 --> 01:08:39,920
I understand that there's been there's
been lawsuits up and down the state

532
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:43,759
regarding um housing density and the and
the different projects like Huntington

533
01:08:41,440 --> 01:08:48,080
Beach, different cities. This is
different, right? This is different in

534
01:08:45,679 --> 01:08:53,040
the fact that we are a different city
being impacted by another city in

535
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:56,400
development. Okay, Steel Beach didn't
say, you know, when the developer picked

536
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:59,759
up that property, right? It's just like
if you buy a home, you get a dirt lot,

537
01:08:58,480 --> 01:09:04,799
you know what issues you're going to
have. They picked it up, they made their

538
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:09,520
their their pick. They got a will serve
letter from the the Rossmore Lostell

539
01:09:07,279 --> 01:09:13,199
sewer district, not from Still Beach.
You do your due diligence. Let me think

540
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:17,040
about this, right? You own a property,
your neighbor has a lot. They want to

541
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:20,799
build a home, build a brand new,
beautiful home, right? But they go, "Oh

542
01:09:19,279 --> 01:09:24,239
man, that that sewer line's about 100
feet to the to the street. You know

543
01:09:22,480 --> 01:09:28,480
what? I'm going to take my neighbors and
I'm just going to go ahead and dock it

544
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:31,440
up to theirs 10 feet away, right? Let me
just dock that thing up. If anything

545
01:09:30,239 --> 01:09:36,319
happens to it, you know what? You're
liable for it." Right? And the argument

546
01:09:34,159 --> 01:09:40,239
is, okay, like, well, you know what?
Like we were sharing sprinkler lines

547
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:44,960
before, kind of like the the West
project where we were just sharing a

548
01:09:42,239 --> 01:09:49,120
little bit because it was open 8 to 5 or
whatever it was at Westad, right?

549
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:52,719
They're they're flushing some toilets,
whatever. They're not not a big impact

550
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:56,640
on our sewer line. But now you want to
connect, coming back to my analogy, you

551
01:09:54,800 --> 01:10:01,840
want to connect to my house and you want
to give me 3% and if it goes bad, you're

552
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:05,040
on you're on the hook for it, right? And
this isn't just a College Park East

553
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:09,920
problem. This is a this is a seal beast
problem. Okay. So, if that goes down

554
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:13,760
right now, we're now as Seal Beach,
we're now we're on the hook, not just

555
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:16,800
College Park East. So, you really got to
think about this is two different

556
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:21,199
arguments from what's what's happened
along the state. And this is a this is

557
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:26,239
think about the precedence that we're
setting that one city can tell another

558
01:10:24,480 --> 01:10:29,760
city basically, we're going to go ahead
and let let this process

559
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:34,239
we're going to make you take the
liability. Hey, if you can get a letter

560
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:37,520
from the developer saying if this goes
bad, we're going to pay for that. I'm

561
01:10:36,159 --> 01:10:42,000
all about it. Let's do it. I'm not an
MB. I'm not against the development. But

562
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:46,239
I am against someone saying you're going
to be liable for something that I want

563
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:49,600
to do. Okay. Think about this, too,
right? Like the sewer line's not

564
01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:52,800
perfect. You know, I've heard people
say, "Why don't you go out the city for

565
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:56,320
not fixing the sewer line?" Well, we
want you to fix the sewer line, right?

566
01:10:54,640 --> 01:11:01,679
It's bubbling up in there when it when
it the heavy rains. Um, we I mean it's

567
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:06,080
well documented what's going on in that.
I don't need to keep talking about it,

568
01:11:03,679 --> 01:11:08,640
but kind of my thing is like you have
something that's working. Every once in

569
01:11:07,199 --> 01:11:13,360
a while you got to repair it and make it
happen, but if you put such a heavy load

570
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:17,840
and it becomes where it's not repairable
anymore, who's going to fix that? Right?

571
01:11:16,159 --> 01:11:22,400
So, my thing is we got to we got to hold
our ground on this. You know, I know

572
01:11:19,679 --> 01:11:27,120
there's lobbyists going on in Sacramento
with big money trying to push this, but

573
01:11:25,440 --> 01:11:30,640
at the end of the day, this is a whole
other argument than we're talking about.

574
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:34,159
So, you got to hold you got to hold
steady. I know it's going to be hard,

575
01:11:32,480 --> 01:11:38,080
right? I know it's hard for us, but at
the end of the day, for $1 million, and

576
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:41,280
I read the different things. What about
the long term? We're not talking about

577
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:45,360
just for the next couple years. We're
talking long term. There's no school bus

578
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:49,360
that I mean, that's ridiculous that
there's no school bus that can go into

579
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:53,760
this prop property. you have 100,000 for
a crossing guard who in five years now

580
01:11:52,159 --> 01:11:55,840
you have no money and these kids are
going to be crossing the street. No

581
01:11:54,960 --> 01:12:01,360
one's going to be picking up that
liability. Um we just got to think about

582
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:06,080
um how how we're going to make sure that
we hold our line. Um and I and I feel

583
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:08,239
for for residents in Oldtown. We all
feel for each other. I know there's a

584
01:12:07,199 --> 01:12:11,760
lot going on in Long Beach with all
those developments, okay? But we got to

585
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:16,560
control what we can control. And the one
thing we can control is the fact that

586
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:21,199
they got a will serve letter from
Rossmore Los Al sewer district, not Seal

587
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:23,679
Beach. Give them all the permits to tear
it all down. You can tear down whatever

588
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:28,000
you want. You want to fix the
electrical, go for it. Sewer line, you

589
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:33,600
said you were going to build it from
your project to Rossmore Lostell sewer

590
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:38,080
district. Good luck. Do it. I'm all for
it. Tear up the streets. Build it. Okay,

591
01:12:36,480 --> 01:12:43,520
that's fine. Do what you got to do.
>> 30 seconds. But let's make sure that

592
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:49,199
last thing I want to say, please don't
fold to the lawyers, to the letters.

593
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:53,920
Please make sure that you take care of
Sil Beach residents. This is going to

594
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:57,120
greatly impact um not just Callsburg
East, but Sil Beach. Thank you very

595
01:12:55,120 --> 01:13:00,440
much.
>> Thank you, Dan.

596
01:13:01,199 --> 01:13:09,520
» Is there anyone else who wishes to
address the council?

597
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:12,800
Going once, going twice. Okay. By motion
of the city council, this is the time to

598
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:17,120
notify the public of any changes to the
agenda and or rearrange the order of the

599
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:20,920
agenda. Does anyone want to pull a
consent calendar item?

600
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:28,400
» Um, I'm going to be pulling item F and
item G. Uh, does anybody else want to

601
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:33,280
pull an item?
No. Okay. Um at this time I'd like to

602
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:40,440
ask um community development director
Sean Temple to uh give us a overview of

603
01:13:36,719 --> 01:13:40,440
item F and G.

604
01:13:45,199 --> 01:13:52,000
Okay. And then after
Okay. Um we're going to change that a

605
01:13:50,239 --> 01:13:57,080
little bit. Um I'd like to call for a
motion and a second to approve tonight's

606
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:57,080
agenda.

607
01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:11,520
You want to
>> refresh?

608
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:16,640
Refresh.
I have a motion by council member

609
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:23,920
Calmeck. Do we have a second?
>> I second.

610
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:26,320
» We have a second by Mayor Pro Tim Wong.
Council member Calman. How do you vote?

611
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:28,560
Yes.
>> Mayor Pro Tim Wong, how do you vote?

612
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:30,719
» Yes.
>> Council member Still, how do you vote?

613
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:32,800
» Yes.
>> Council member Senagle, how do you vote?

614
01:14:32,480 --> 01:14:34,719
» Yes.
>> And Mayor Landau, how do you vote?

615
01:14:34,239 --> 01:14:39,840
» Yes.
>> Motion carries, five votes. Yes.

616
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:44,000
» Thank you.
>> Okay. Now, on to reports. Um, city

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01:14:42,719 --> 01:14:46,320
attorney uh Gerelli, do you have
anything to report?

618
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:49,760
» Yes. Thank you, Madame Mayor. The city
council met in close session this

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01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:53,679
afternoon to discuss the three items on
the posted agenda. All five council

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01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:57,679
members were present uh but no
reportable action was taken. And I will

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01:14:56,000 --> 01:15:03,520
just provide a brief response to the
questions of comments about the LAR

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01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:09,440
project at 4665 Lamson. Uh the developer
has submitted a letter to the city uh

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01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:13,120
disclosing that they have pivoted to uh
building their their sewer line down

624
01:15:11,440 --> 01:15:18,000
Lamson to connect to the Rossmore Los
Alamos area sewer district. They still

625
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:22,800
have requested to connect to the city
sewer system and the city has responded

626
01:15:20,719 --> 01:15:27,920
with a letter saying that in order to do
that again uh a sewer study of the

627
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:31,760
impacts of that project on the city's
sewer infrastructure would need to be

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01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:37,440
conducted and to be proactive about it
the city has initiated that study and it

629
01:15:34,239 --> 01:15:41,199
is currently ongoing and once that study
is prepared it will be evaluated to

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01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:48,480
determine what the impacts on the city's
infrastructure are and to respond to the

631
01:15:45,199 --> 01:15:53,199
community benefits that the uh developer
has proposed. But until then uh for the

632
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:57,600
time being that the developer is moving
forward with the uh sewer connection to

633
01:15:55,760 --> 01:16:02,080
the Ross Mor Los Alamos Area Sewer
District. That's all.

634
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:04,800
» Thank you, City Manager Gyos.
>> Uh yes, thank you, Mayor. Good evening,

635
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:08,640
uh Mayor, members of the city council,
and members of the public. On March

636
01:16:06,719 --> 01:16:12,640
14th, I attended the Orange County Fire
Authorities annual open house, which

637
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:17,600
which was a huge success. Uh so thank
you OCFA for inviting us. Uh this was an

638
01:16:15,440 --> 01:16:21,040
opportunity for the community uh members
across Orange County to meet their

639
01:16:19,199 --> 01:16:25,840
firefighters toward the headquarters and
learn learn more about OCFA's core

640
01:16:23,199 --> 01:16:28,719
services. Uh we appreciate OCFA's
continued partnership and their

641
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:33,440
commitment to community outreach and
public safety. Thank you very much. Last

642
01:16:31,199 --> 01:16:37,040
Friday, March 20 20th, uh spring kicked
off with ver the our very first uh Seal

643
01:16:35,440 --> 01:16:41,520
Beach Farmers Market uh which was
mentioned earlier at the base of the

644
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:44,880
pier and Eisenhower Park. Our hope with
this event is that it will provide

645
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:49,040
residents and visitors a safe and
community uh communal opportunity to do

646
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:51,760
some local shopping. Uh the city will
continue to monitor the market over the

647
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:55,440
next few months to ensure that it
evolves and offers opportunities that

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01:16:54,159 --> 01:17:00,159
are reflective of the Seal Beach
community. Lastly, our staff attended

649
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:03,840
the Cal City's division uh meeting where
Orange County Sheriff Don Barnes served

650
01:17:02,159 --> 01:17:08,480
as a guest speaker. Thank you,
management analyst Lauren Parish, for uh

651
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:11,840
for being uh present uh on our behalf.
This meeting also included updates on

652
01:17:10,239 --> 01:17:15,280
several legislative items are currently
being monitored. Uh as always, we'll

653
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:19,520
continue to actively partner with
Calities to stay informed uh and engage

654
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:25,320
on legislative issues that may impact
Seal Beach. With that, uh that ends my

655
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:25,320
report. Mayor,

656
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:39,920
» sorry about that. Um Councilman Steel,
do you have anything to report?

657
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:43,920
Thank you, mayor. Um, I attended the
Orange County Older Adult Advisory

658
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:48,239
Commission meeting a week and a half
ago, something like that. Um, I

659
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:52,960
explained, we talked about the older
adult uh advisory uh commission last

660
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:57,679
meeting, and so I won't repeat any of
that stuff. Also attended the Orange

661
01:17:54,960 --> 01:18:03,600
County Mosquito Vector uh control
district where we formally accepted the

662
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:10,880
design build $10 million project by the
whole board of trustees.

663
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:18,080
I also attended Cal City's Orange County
Division um uh meeting that we had with

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01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:22,000
um Sheriff Don Barnes who gave a uh kind
of an assessment, an overall assessment

665
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:26,480
of uh the risk profiles that we face in
Orange County here. It's a lot more

666
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:30,400
complex than we sitting in Seal Beach
can even possibly imagine. One of the

667
01:18:28,719 --> 01:18:38,480
highlights that he had for me is the
risk that we have from swarms of armed

668
01:18:35,679 --> 01:18:43,440
drones. And I'm going like, how can that
affect us? But apparently it's in the

669
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:46,239
risk profile somewhere. And he he said
we really don't have a good response for

670
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:51,679
that yet. But they're working on it. But
nonetheless, he's a a great sheriff and

671
01:18:49,199 --> 01:18:56,000
I enjoyed listening to him. I enjoyed
being at the opening of Nashville on the

672
01:18:53,280 --> 01:19:00,800
Coast. If you guys do not go out to any
of these Nashville on the coast, you are

673
01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:05,280
missing it. These these musicians are
really top drawer. They are absolutely

674
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:10,159
unequivocally top drawer. One of them is
actually appeared on The Voice. Am I Am

675
01:19:08,480 --> 01:19:14,080
I not mistaken on that? That was
terrific to see these people and listen

676
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:18,000
to the songs they write and they sing
these things and they're really talented

677
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:20,800
musicians. So find a time to get to
Nashville on. Do we have another one

678
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:25,520
this year or is that it?
>> We'll have popups throughout the year.

679
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:30,400
» Okay. So, we'll seriously they get top
door musicians on these things and it's

680
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:34,159
a it's a good time by all and I had a
good time too. Uh let's see. I did

681
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:39,040
coffee with the chief. It was good to be
at uh Bogarts and see the chief and meet

682
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:44,719
folks and talk to folks. And the farmers
market was outstanding people. This is

683
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:48,880
really really a great farmers market. I
bought a I bought a couple of bagels. I

684
01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:52,880
have a theory about bagels and their
quality. The closer you get to New York

685
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:56,880
City, the better the bagels. We're a
long way from New York City here and

686
01:19:54,400 --> 01:20:00,480
those bagels were pretty good. So, and a
loaf of bread and the guys got balsamic

687
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:04,560
vinegar and things like that. So, I
spend about 20 bucks. It was good to be

688
01:20:02,159 --> 01:20:09,120
there and uh take advantage. It's uh
it's very pleasant place to be anyway.

689
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:14,080
Uh but the farmers market was great. So,
thank you to

690
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:17,440
our folks in city hall who brought that
and made that be. And so, that's my

691
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:24,000
report.
>> Thank you very much, Councilman Kelmick.

692
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:29,360
Thank you, mayor. Uh I also attended the
uh the grand opening of the Nashville on

693
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:33,440
the coast. Um and I have the same would
echo the same comments that others have

694
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:38,800
made. But I also want to point out that
by having these events, the benefits

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01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:43,840
that it brings to our city. Um it's
something else that our residents can

696
01:20:40,719 --> 01:20:50,960
get interested in and excited about and
and it it brings more revenue to us. Uh

697
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:58,159
so again, thank you to Darren and and
everybody that put that on. It's really

698
01:20:52,960 --> 01:21:03,120
something. I I attended my um monthly
rivers and mountains conservancy meeting

699
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:08,880
where we are, you know, continuing to
fund projects up and down the uh the San

700
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:13,760
Gabriel and the lower Los Angeles
rivers. I attended the watershed

701
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:19,760
conservation authority board meeting
that I sit on and um we gave out more

702
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:26,320
money for more projects that extend all
the way up into the watershed uh into

703
01:21:22,159 --> 01:21:31,760
the San Gabriel Mountains. Uh I also
attended the uh the farmers market. I

704
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:37,040
want to thank Peter from the chamber and
Tim Kelsey and all the rest of our staff

705
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:44,000
that um put it on. It it looked to be a
very smooth operation. Um, I was there

706
01:21:40,480 --> 01:21:50,320
off and on from 9 until 2 and there were
people shopping all day long and with in

707
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:54,000
a sense very little publicity. Uh,
there's going to be, for those that

708
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:58,080
aren't aware, there'll be more vendors
that will be coming to the market who

709
01:21:56,320 --> 01:22:02,320
are still in the process of getting
Orange County approval, uh, you know,

710
01:22:00,480 --> 01:22:09,520
for being able to sell food. I think
there's going to be a fish monger um

711
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:13,120
which again should uh really bring us
some opportunities to get some some

712
01:22:11,440 --> 01:22:19,199
great fresh produce and some other
products. I attended the coffee with the

713
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:25,280
chief to offer some moral support. We
had a nice turnout of folks coming and I

714
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:30,400
I think it's really a tribute um to the
chief and our department that they're

715
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:35,520
willing to step out and engage with the
public. There's no rules. There's no you

716
01:22:33,199 --> 01:22:40,239
can't ask us about this or that. You
know, he's there to talk to you and

717
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:45,360
engage with whatever comments or
questions that you might have and follow

718
01:22:42,480 --> 01:22:49,760
up. And that's basically my report. I do
want to make an acknowledgement that I I

719
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:55,280
just found out actually in the paper uh
the passing of a Seal Beach resident,

720
01:22:51,600 --> 01:23:00,480
Phil Bush. Uh my knew Phil for you know
50ome years. Uh he was a volunteer

721
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:07,679
firefighter in town and was well known
in Oldtown um as a physical fitness guy.

722
01:23:04,239 --> 01:23:11,199
He was uh a plumbing contractor and um
you know he will be missed. So I just

723
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:16,000
wanted to acknowledge that. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Councilwoman Synle.

724
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:20,639
» Thank you, Mayor. Uh first of all, I
wanted to um give a shout out to our

725
01:23:18,159 --> 01:23:26,800
Lions. We have a property in College
Park East on Rose Street where our

726
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:33,920
resident did pass sadly and the um lawn
is quite high and um just the and the uh

727
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:37,440
frontage to it as well. So, thank you
Sean for working with the Lions. We're

728
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:44,000
going to have the Lions out tomorrow at
4 for a mow the lawn. And uh our Lions

729
01:23:41,440 --> 01:23:48,000
are just uh fantastic. They're fast and
they can help us out in a pinch. And so,

730
01:23:46,239 --> 01:23:52,639
um, our residents in that area will
appreciate we want to get those weeds

731
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:56,719
down, uh, for the mosquitoes and little
critters that live in there. So, thank

732
01:23:54,639 --> 01:24:00,320
you for arranging that and thank you to
the Lions. Uh, number two, wanted to

733
01:23:58,719 --> 01:24:04,800
mention we've had a lot of, uh, College
Park East residents in tonight to talk

734
01:24:02,239 --> 01:24:08,800
about the Lamson project. Um, the school
bus, the left turn lane, the parking

735
01:24:06,639 --> 01:24:13,199
discussion. Um, I have been working on
all these with our public works or with

736
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:17,840
PD. We've been into a lot of discussions
about what we can do for a parking

737
01:24:14,639 --> 01:24:21,280
district. Um and so again, these things
are all being discussed and we'll um

738
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:26,320
keep moving till we can get some
solutions there. Also want to mention

739
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:30,080
the League of Cities um that has been
discussed this week, Thursday, Friday.

740
01:24:28,480 --> 01:24:34,400
All of their policy committees are
meeting in Anaheim. These are statewide

741
01:24:32,239 --> 01:24:39,360
city council people who serve on
committees and everything. Uh I mean

742
01:24:37,199 --> 01:24:43,920
pretty much every topic. Um I happen to
be on the energy committee and they vet

743
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:49,199
legislation or regulatory issues coming
from the state house and so um I'll

744
01:24:46,480 --> 01:24:53,679
report back on uh some of the um
positions that are taking uh Nashville

745
01:24:51,679 --> 01:25:00,800
on the coast. Um thank you for the
opening and I met beach cowboy.

746
01:24:58,159 --> 01:25:05,280
I thought that was fantastic. So again
um thank you for inviting us.

747
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:10,719
» Thank you very much Mayor Prom.
>> Uh thank you mayor. um since our March

748
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:16,159
9th last council meeting. I uh also
attended on Tuesday, March 10th, um the

749
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:21,360
road club meeting. Briefly stopped by to
hear Mayor Landau's u uh recap for the

750
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:26,960
year. Um fortunately, I had to leave
midway, but it still was a great

751
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:30,159
meeting. Um on March 11th, on Wednesday,
I also attended the beginning of

752
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:35,120
Nashville on the coast. Again, very
excited. So to see the it kick off and

753
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:42,159
um it was a great venue especially I I
very very much like the stage setup. On

754
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:48,000
uh March 13th uh on Friday I attended
the Yakoot uh probiotic factory in

755
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:53,840
Fountain Valley tour. This was uh hosted
by Assemblyman uh Tree Top and there we

756
01:25:50,719 --> 01:25:56,960
tooured the Yakoot probiotic factory. I
didn't even know it was there to be

757
01:25:55,440 --> 01:26:01,760
honest with you and my son drinks that
every day, right? And so it's good for

758
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:08,400
your gut. And then it was a great tour.
Um on March 17th, um on a Zoom call, I

759
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:14,000
did a um I guess log in and uh watch the
Cal Chow Chambers roundt network meeting

760
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:19,199
on best practices. And then uh later
that same day, that afternoon, I and

761
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:22,639
myself with Patty Sakow um attended the
Chamber of Commerce meeting with the

762
01:26:20,719 --> 01:26:28,639
city where we met with President Richie
Barnes and city staff as well. And then

763
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:34,480
uh this past Saturday on March 21st, I
attended the Americana, the 51st annual

764
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:39,360
awards uh ceremony. Um Chief Henderson
was there as well with his wife and

765
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:44,400
there we were there um hosted by Cypress
College to celebrate our very own Seal

766
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:49,440
Beach Ray Longoria and the Lions turned
out in force. So that was great as well.

767
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:54,800
And so that was a fantastic evening. So
I very much enjoyed it. Um, lastly

768
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:59,280
before I wrap up tonight, um, I do want
to address the the issue that has been

769
01:26:57,040 --> 01:27:04,239
before us for some time now regarding
College Park West and the Hannes Bridge,

770
01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:09,600
Hannes Pipeline and College Park West
bridge. Um, for some that you may know

771
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:15,280
or some that may not know, uh, this has
been, uh, ongoing issue. And so to give

772
01:27:12,719 --> 01:27:19,440
you a very broad summary and recap,
College Park West, if many aren't

773
01:27:17,440 --> 01:27:24,880
familiar with the neighborhood, uh it's
in my district. Um I'm also a resident

774
01:27:21,679 --> 01:27:29,600
there. There's just over 300 residences
in this uh neighborhood. And there is

775
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:35,199
only one way in, one way out across this
bridge. It is by far um some love it

776
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:38,719
because of the safety, because the one
way in, some hate it because there's

777
01:27:36,639 --> 01:27:42,960
only one exit. But that bridge is
obviously without saying too much, it's

778
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:48,400
essential to the neighborhood. This
bridge, however, is owned and operated

779
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:54,080
by Long Beach. And so the idea that's
before us is that LWP is wanting to

780
01:27:51,199 --> 01:28:01,520
install some pipelines to the bridge.
Now, this has become an ongoing topic.

781
01:27:57,360 --> 01:28:04,960
Um, starting really in January 2025, we
had a public College Park West

782
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:10,880
neighborhood and there we invited
representatives for both Long Beach City

783
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:16,880
Utilities and as well as um, LWP and
there we had a a public discussion very

784
01:28:14,480 --> 01:28:21,520
a very uh, animated discussion I will
say at the park but the turnout was

785
01:28:18,239 --> 01:28:24,880
great. Since then, in July of that same
of same time last year, we had a

786
01:28:23,440 --> 01:28:30,480
subsequent meeting at the Hannes
pipeline uh with both uh Mayor Landal

787
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:34,400
and myself and public works director uh
Iris Lee to see on find out on any

788
01:28:32,719 --> 01:28:39,360
updates.
Since then, since July, we had a third

789
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:43,520
meeting and this was uh basically topped
off in November of last year, November

790
01:28:41,679 --> 01:28:49,360
2025. And this was at the tennis
pickleball center and there LWP agreed

791
01:28:46,719 --> 01:28:53,840
to come back out again and there we met
with they met with essentially Color

792
01:28:52,239 --> 01:28:59,679
Park West residents to discuss the
issue. Since then um we have not had

793
01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:05,360
much communication with Long Beach or
LEWP. Yet at the same time we've begin

794
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:10,000
to see u some engineers and consultants
come and start to take measurements of

795
01:29:07,679 --> 01:29:15,120
where they intend to basically look for
a right of way. And so at this point

796
01:29:12,159 --> 01:29:21,120
right now, I would like to ask um city
manager Patrick Ayos if he can now add a

797
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:24,960
future item to the agenda and to
basically help organize and then

798
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:30,159
officially uh give clear direction to
city staff on both terms to a potential

799
01:29:28,159 --> 01:29:34,480
franchise agreement on what would be in
the best interest of the city of Seal

800
01:29:32,159 --> 01:29:40,320
Beach and College Park West residents as
well as task excuse me

801
01:29:38,239 --> 01:29:43,920
basically conduct or hire an independent
study of the welfare and the safety of

802
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:48,000
the bridge and how it might affect our
residents.

803
01:29:46,159 --> 01:29:52,159
» Thank you, council member. Uh I know
this is a very important uh issue for

804
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:56,159
not only the city but uh your
neighborhood. Uh and you've been really

805
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:58,880
great in in taking the time and uh being
very deliberate and thoughtful to work

806
01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:02,719
with the residents out there. So we
appreciate that. Uh and certainly we uh

807
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:05,360
will take your direction so long as the
council agrees uh and move in that

808
01:30:04,639 --> 01:30:09,920
direction.
>> Thank you.

809
01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:13,440
» Thank you. Okay. Um, I will make mine
quick because I know there's a lot of

810
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:17,679
people waiting, uh, to be recognized.
So, um, uh, I don't think I can describe

811
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:21,520
all of the events that have occurred,
um, any better than my colleagues have.

812
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:25,520
Nashville on the coast. Darren, you
knocked it out of the park again. Um, I

813
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:30,719
want to thank Chad, uh, Seal Beach City
Rotary for inviting me to do give an

814
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:34,639
update uh, on the city and I want to
thank staff. You guys did a great job

815
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:40,639
supporting me, so thank you for that.
Um, I also want to recognize Terry Young

816
01:30:37,199 --> 01:30:45,760
as uh her um woman of the year of
distinction uh from Senator Strickland.

817
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:50,320
And then last but not least, um I
attended uh the funeral for our planning

818
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:57,520
commissioner Rich Kohl's. It wasn't his
funeral, I'm sorry, his uh bench um

819
01:30:54,800 --> 01:31:02,159
memorial. Um and staff did such an
amazing job. Um the family was so happy.

820
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:06,880
um they the family got the bench where
they wanted it to be and it was just a

821
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:09,840
beautiful beautiful event. So um I want
to thank staff for supporting that

822
01:31:08,320 --> 01:31:15,360
family and and making sure it was a
beautiful day for them. And that is all

823
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:18,400
I have right now. Um we are moving on to
the consent calendar. Items on the

824
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:22,159
consent calendar are considered to be
routine and are enacted by a single

825
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:26,000
motion with the exception of items
removed by council members. I'd like to

826
01:31:24,480 --> 01:31:30,719
call for a motion and a second to
approve the consent calendar with the

827
01:31:28,159 --> 01:31:35,040
exception of any item pulled.
>> It has been moved by Mayor Pro Tim Wong

828
01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:38,840
and second by council member Synle.
Please cast your vote.

829
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:46,080
Mayor Landal.
Are you a yes?

830
01:31:44,719 --> 01:31:51,880
» Yes.
>> Motion carries five votes. Yes.

831
01:31:48,239 --> 01:31:51,880
» Thank you very much.

832
01:31:52,400 --> 01:32:00,800
Okay. Okay, now on to items removed from
the consent calendar. Um, I would like

833
01:31:57,679 --> 01:32:03,840
to call on Director Temple for a staff
report.

834
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:08,880
» Thank you very much, Mayor. Good
evening, council members. Uh, good

835
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:15,840
evening, city manager. Uh, item F
tonight is regarding the appointment of

836
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:21,040
of uh citizen to of committee members to
a proposed citizen council business

837
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:25,120
first advisory ad hoc committee. Um, as
some background, on November 8th, the

838
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:30,400
city held a public strategic planning
meeting in which the the council

839
01:32:28,480 --> 01:32:34,239
identified goals that they wanted to
look at in the upcoming year. One of

840
01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:38,719
those being economic development. And as
a key priority, uh, staff was directed

841
01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:43,280
to create a committee that would serve
as a collaborative forum, uh, between

842
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:46,960
the city and and and members of the
community in furthering those goals with

843
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:51,280
some of the priorities being developing
a business concierge program uh,

844
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:55,679
reviewing potential updates to the main
street specific plan and evaluating

845
01:32:53,840 --> 01:33:01,040
beautifification and revitalization
efforts. And so the item before you

846
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:06,000
tonight members are being proposed for
ratification by council.

847
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:12,400
» Thank you very much. Uh do any council
members have questions?

848
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:18,480
» Go. Okay.
>> Okay. Uh I would like to take a moment

849
01:33:14,719 --> 01:33:21,840
to uh address this um and to address the
committee appointments to ensure we are

850
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:25,280
being consistent and fair in our
process. As we reviewed the

851
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:29,199
applications, there were a couple of
candidates who submitted after the

852
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:33,440
stated deadline. While the deadline
itself is not binding, I think it is

853
01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:37,920
important that we apply our process
consistently and be mindful of those who

854
01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:42,560
submitted their applications within the
original time frame. In that spirit, I'm

855
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:46,639
proposing to move forward with the
candidates from the original applicant

856
01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:51,360
pool selecting in the order in which
applications were received. This

857
01:33:48,639 --> 01:33:57,360
approach assures fairness, transparency,
and consistency for all applicants. With

858
01:33:54,560 --> 01:34:01,440
that um being said, I would like to make
a motion to adjust the appointments

859
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:05,440
accordingly. I'll make a motion to
approve the committee appointments with

860
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:09,760
the following revisions. Replace Woody
Woodruff with Natalie Wilson on the

861
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:15,679
business first committee and replace
Sher Drum um with Lynette Van Voris on

862
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:19,280
the Olympic Committee. Can I get a
motion in a second?

863
01:34:21,920 --> 01:34:28,600
It has been second by council member
Cyn. Please cast your vote.

864
01:34:29,199 --> 01:34:35,840
» That'll be a yes for me.
Motion carries. Five votes. Yes.

865
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:40,320
Thank you very much.
>> And may I ask mayor is um are any of the

866
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:44,159
members u for the business first ad hoc
committee here? Oh, sorry. Excuse me. I

867
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:48,239
spoke out of turn. Apologies.
>> Um okay. At this time, I'd like to ask

868
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:53,520
the appointees to the Citizen Council
Olympic Advisory Adoc Committee to

869
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:56,400
please stand and be recognized.
>> What committee? Just one?

870
01:34:55,120 --> 01:34:59,760
» The Olympic.
>> Oh, no. Was it the business first?

871
01:34:58,719 --> 01:35:03,280
» No. Well, that's
>> Oh,

872
01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:08,440
so if you're if you're if you were
selected on the the Olympic committee,

873
01:35:05,199 --> 01:35:08,440
please rise.

874
01:35:09,199 --> 01:35:14,600
» Yes.
>> And

875
01:35:16,960 --> 01:35:23,000
Will everyone state their name?
>> Christine B

876
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:29,120
» Catherine Walter
>> Rich

877
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:35,080
Evan Moore
>> Margo Wheeler.

878
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:35,080
» Thank you.

879
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:42,159
» Congratulations on your appointment to
the Citizens Council Olympic Advisory

880
01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:45,600
Adoc Committee. We thank you for your
commitment and your willingness to serve

881
01:35:43,679 --> 01:35:50,320
the Seal Beach community. We look
forward to working with you. It's going

882
01:35:48,080 --> 01:35:54,239
to be fun. Okay. Now, I would like to
ask the appointees to the Citizen

883
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:58,040
Council Business First Advisory Ad Hoc
Committee to please stand.

884
01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:08,239
State your names.
Steve Briggs,

885
01:36:06,639 --> 01:36:14,080
» Rosie Richie,
>> Cory Deleó.

886
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:17,679
» Thank you. Congratulations on your
appointment to the Citizen Council

887
01:36:15,440 --> 01:36:21,440
Business First Advisory Adoc Committee.
We thank you for your commitment and

888
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:28,280
your work and your willingness to serve
the Seal Beach community. We look

889
01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:28,280
forward to working with you. Thank you,

890
01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:37,920
» Madame Mayor. Before we move off of the
consent calendar, I needed to make one

891
01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:41,600
quick announcement on item H. Um the
employment agreement for the director of

892
01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:46,239
community development, a recent change
in the Brown Act requires that for all

893
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:52,000
department heads, now an oral summary of
the compensation to uh and employment

894
01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:55,360
agreement needs to be made at that
meeting. And so I just wanted to

895
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:58,360
announce that the annual salary will be
$188,899.60,

896
01:36:58,480 --> 01:37:04,159
which is step two in the pay scale for
the classification. and the benefits are

897
01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:09,199
the same same as other executive
managers. And thank you.

898
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:12,800
» Thank you very much. Okay, we are now
going to move on, but again, I want to

899
01:37:10,719 --> 01:37:17,360
thank everybody for um submitting their
applications. And we're really excited

900
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:22,080
to um see what we can come up with for
the Olympics and how to make Seal Beach

901
01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:25,360
successful with that and then also uh
help strengthen our business community

902
01:37:23,679 --> 01:37:28,360
and our main street. So, thank you all
again.

903
01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:38,719
Okay, now we are moving on. Oh, wait. We
need to vote. Oh, we did. We did. I'm

904
01:37:35,679 --> 01:37:42,320
sorry. I'm still sick, so forgive me.
Okay, now we're moving on to new

905
01:37:40,159 --> 01:37:46,760
business. Um, and I would like to call
on management analyst Barrett.

906
01:38:01,440 --> 01:38:08,880
Thank you, honorable mayor and city
council. It's a pleasure to be present

907
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:13,840
this evening and to present about the
waste infrastructure enterprise, also

908
01:38:11,679 --> 01:38:20,719
known as WISE agreement.
>> Debbie Kelly from Republic Services is

909
01:38:17,119 --> 01:38:26,159
also joining. Thank you. I was hoping
Chief Bailey would click click through

910
01:38:22,639 --> 01:38:30,800
me, but okay. Um, Debbie Killy from
Republic Services is also joining us

911
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:35,639
this evening, and we're happy to answer
any questions you may have after the

912
01:38:32,639 --> 01:38:35,639
presentation.

913
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:44,239
» First, I'd like to share an executive
summary. The action requested is for

914
01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:48,480
council to adopt the wise agreement with
Orange County Waste and Recycling. I'll

915
01:38:46,719 --> 01:38:52,400
be referring to them as the county or
OCWNR.

916
01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:57,920
Um, adoption of the WISE agreement
ensures stable long-term disposal rates,

917
01:38:55,119 --> 01:39:03,679
modernizes terms, and maintains
participation benefits.

918
01:39:01,119 --> 01:39:09,679
The impact of adoption includes phase
disposal rate increases beginning in

919
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:16,000
fiscal year 2026 to 2027, July 1st of
this year. Residential and commercial

920
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:20,800
bills will increase in July 2026 per the
franchise terms with Republic Services.

921
01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:25,400
The term of the agreement is 10 years
with one optional 10-year extension.

922
01:39:27,199 --> 01:39:34,639
Now, I'll offer additional background.
The current waste disposal agreement or

923
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:39,119
the WDA governs disposal at Orange
County waste and recycling landfills.

924
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:45,199
Cities and sanitary districts deposit
waste at OCWNR landfills for stable

925
01:39:42,239 --> 01:39:49,920
rates. The Senate The city entered into
the WDA in 2009 and it was amended in

926
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:56,320
2016.
OCWNR introduced the new WISE agreement

927
01:39:52,960 --> 01:40:01,760
as WDA neared the June 30th, 2025
expiration date. Upon review, the Orange

928
01:39:59,440 --> 01:40:06,480
County City Managers Association, of
which Patrick, our city manager, Gyos,

929
01:40:04,639 --> 01:40:12,239
is a member,
um requested a 12-month extension to

930
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:16,800
negotiate with OCWNR for better terms.
Cities, including Seal Beach, adopted

931
01:40:14,239 --> 01:40:23,360
amendments to extend the WDA term to
expire on June 30th, 2026. To allow time

932
01:40:20,480 --> 01:40:27,840
for this negotiate negotiation,
OCCMA convened a working group of

933
01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:32,800
subject matter experts to negotiate on
behalf of the cities. So why is there a

934
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:38,960
need for a new agreement as opposed to
extending the term of the current WDA?

935
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:44,080
The current WDA limits increases to
consumer price index only and does not

936
01:40:41,199 --> 01:40:49,040
reflect rising operational, regulatory,
and environmental compliance costs. And

937
01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:53,280
the county needs capital for landfill
closure and capacity expansion to

938
01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:56,280
continue meeting the needs of the
county.

939
01:40:57,760 --> 01:41:07,280
The key provisions negotiated are the
result of the negotiations that occurred

940
01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:11,920
between OCWR and OCCMA.
It was adopted by the board of

941
01:41:08,719 --> 01:41:17,280
supervisors in January and now it is
time for the cities to consider it. Key

942
01:41:14,320 --> 01:41:22,400
provisions negotiated by OCCMA and
included in the wise agreement include

943
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:29,920
the rate structure phase rates for this
fiscal year through 2028-29

944
01:41:25,520 --> 01:41:33,840
CPI adjustments beginning in 2029 to30 a
slower increase than originally proposed

945
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:38,080
by OCWR
an annual true-up process starting in

946
01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:43,760
2030
um where they may free CPI adjustments

947
01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:48,800
depending on OCWR cost recovery and
tonnage revenue and cities may initiate

948
01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:54,560
meet and confer with review by an
independent consultant. Continuing on,

949
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:58,880
transparency and oversight, annual
review and notification provisions

950
01:41:56,239 --> 01:42:02,960
ensuring OCCMA participation and
visibility, risk mitigation removed

951
01:42:01,760 --> 01:42:08,159
language that would make cities
financially responsible for hauler

952
01:42:04,719 --> 01:42:15,360
non-payment. A blended CPI index was
adopted with a blend of including solid

953
01:42:11,360 --> 01:42:19,840
waste and the all urban consumers index
and organics flexibility which remove

954
01:42:18,080 --> 01:42:25,119
the requirement to send all of the
organics to OCWNR.

955
01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:29,920
The county will offer the optional
organic processing services agreement,

956
01:42:27,600 --> 01:42:34,239
but staff does not recommend executing
the optional agreement at this time, and

957
01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:38,560
the city will continue utilizing
Republic's option as it is most

958
01:42:35,920 --> 01:42:45,199
cost-effective.
Of note, cities must adopt WISE by April

959
01:42:41,520 --> 01:42:50,320
30th, 2026 to secure these rates.
Otherwise, cities are subject to a 10%

960
01:42:47,679 --> 01:42:53,920
increase. I also wanted to briefly share
an update on where we're at with

961
01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:57,440
adoption by the cities as this is not
just for Seal Beach. All cities in

962
01:42:56,080 --> 01:43:02,960
Orange County are currently going
through the same process. So cities that

963
01:43:00,239 --> 01:43:08,800
have adopted wise as of tonight include
Laguna Woods, Villa Park, Fullerton, the

964
01:43:06,080 --> 01:43:14,159
Midway City Sanitary District, Rancho
Santa Margarita, Dana Point, and Tustin.

965
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:18,719
And in addition to Seal Beach, the
cities of Los Alamidos and Costa Mesa

966
01:43:16,880 --> 01:43:24,639
are considering WISE this evening as
well. And according to the OCCMA subject

967
01:43:22,480 --> 01:43:28,480
matter expert lead, we have not heard of
any cities that are not moving forward

968
01:43:26,239 --> 01:43:31,480
with WISE. All replied with moving
forward.

969
01:43:32,159 --> 01:43:41,119
Let's talk about the financial impact.
Keep in mind that WISE is an agreement

970
01:43:37,360 --> 01:43:45,199
between OCW and R and the city and our
franchise agreement is between the city

971
01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:50,480
and republic services. They are
interrelated and I hope I can clarify

972
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:54,400
any confusion that might exist. But
talking now about how wise impacts the

973
01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:58,560
franchise agreement in terms of
financials.

974
01:43:56,000 --> 01:44:05,040
Republic rates use a blended formula for
annual increases where 70% is adjusted

975
01:44:01,520 --> 01:44:10,239
based on CPI and the remaining 30% is
adjusted based on landfill tipping fees.

976
01:44:07,840 --> 01:44:16,000
These are the fees where when a truck is
going to drop off trash at the county

977
01:44:14,080 --> 01:44:20,800
landfill. These are the fees we're
talking about

978
01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:29,679
under WISE. The disposal rate will
increase from 43.76

979
01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:35,520
to $67 per ton on July 1st of 2026.
Um, keep in mind that while this is an

980
01:44:33,040 --> 01:44:43,920
increase, the original request prior to
OCCMA negotiation was $82 per ton. So,

981
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:48,960
the middle ground was $67 per ton. And
again, this is the cost of depositing

982
01:44:45,760 --> 01:44:53,199
trash at the landfill. Under the city's
current solid waste hauler agreement,

983
01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:56,560
this increase in tipping fees is passed
directly through to solid waste

984
01:44:54,480 --> 01:45:03,360
collection accounts. And these higher
tipping fees will help will result in

985
01:45:00,239 --> 01:45:07,520
higher rates. Here we can see the wise
rate structure as well as the republic

986
01:45:05,119 --> 01:45:12,400
services customer rates change from the
current fiscal year to the next fiscal

987
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:17,800
year. And these rates would become
effective on July 1st of this year.

988
01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:24,320
Before opening it up to questions, I'll
close with alternatives and

989
01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:29,440
recommendation. First, alternatives.
OCWNR owns all of the landfills in

990
01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:34,159
Orange County. In theory, waste could be
taken outside of the county and

991
01:45:31,199 --> 01:45:39,600
deposited elsewhere. In practice, this
would be more expensive due to increases

992
01:45:36,560 --> 01:45:44,159
in labor and transportation fees. In
addition to being subject to a public

993
01:45:41,679 --> 01:45:47,920
disposal rates outside of the county,
this is something that Debbie and I

994
01:45:45,679 --> 01:45:52,880
talked about and it is the more
cost-effective option to execute WISE at

995
01:45:50,320 --> 01:45:57,679
this time. As far as we know, as
mentioned again, no cities are not

996
01:45:54,639 --> 01:46:02,320
signing WISE and staff's recommendation
is to execute the WISE agreement to

997
01:45:59,920 --> 01:46:06,880
ensure stable disposal and low rates
which is in the public interest.

998
01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:10,880
Thank you for your time this evening and
Debbie and I will be happy to answer any

999
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:15,800
questions you may have.
>> Is there any comments or questions?

1000
01:46:17,600 --> 01:46:24,639
» Did I hear you say correctly that all of
the OCWR owns all of the waste sites in

1001
01:46:23,679 --> 01:46:27,360
Orange County?
>> The landfills. Yes.

1002
01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:33,840
» The landfills. So, we're really talking
about landfill usage here. And is this

1003
01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:39,920
where we currently are with Republic? So
my our friends at Republic, we're not

1004
01:46:36,239 --> 01:46:45,119
changing out companies, bins,
infrastructure at all. We're still uh

1005
01:46:42,960 --> 01:46:49,280
» Yeah, it's it's only the trash that's
going to those landfills.

1006
01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:51,840
» Okay. And are you currently dumping into
these the trash into these sites?

1007
01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:57,040
» Yes.
>> And of course, we're paying what? $43

1008
01:46:53,920 --> 01:47:01,040
now, and it's going up to 67 in one fell
swoop. That's pretty big step

1009
01:46:59,440 --> 01:47:04,080
» right there%.
But that's not for you. That's what

1010
01:47:03,119 --> 01:47:09,119
» that's the landfill.
>> The landfill gets that moneyated here

1011
01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:15,040
because only 30% of your service rates
or of your rate is made from that.

1012
01:47:12,639 --> 01:47:19,280
» But this is smooth in terms of Republic
and your operations. Correct.

1013
01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:21,520
» This is smooth. Yes. Same same place
we're going.

1014
01:47:19,840 --> 01:47:25,760
» Thank you. I appreciate that.
>> If I may, mayor.

1015
01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:32,800
And then uh based on the upon the
readings um this does not include the SB

1016
01:47:29,440 --> 01:47:37,679
1383 which is the how to deal with
organics or as far as being the unfunded

1017
01:47:35,440 --> 01:47:43,119
state mandate. So just as just for
clarification for the audience um this

1018
01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:47,119
uh trash increase will not include uh
dealing with organics. Is that correct?

1019
01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:52,239
» Correct. This is for the city's current
franchise agreement. As you know, we're

1020
01:47:49,679 --> 01:47:58,400
in negotiations with Republic to get
into compliance with SP 1383 and yes,

1021
01:47:55,600 --> 01:48:03,440
rates would be adjusted at that time.
>> Thank you.

1022
01:48:01,040 --> 01:48:10,400
» Um, similar question on the organics.
When will we see that rate increase? 6

1023
01:48:06,639 --> 01:48:15,760
months, 10 years,
make it 20.

1024
01:48:12,159 --> 01:48:20,400
» We're certainly um always very sensitive
to any rate increases. Um, so we're

1025
01:48:18,400 --> 01:48:26,560
looking at all options as we continue
negotiations because they are ongoing ne

1026
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:31,520
negotiations. Honestly, not sure how
much I can say up here publicly. I can

1027
01:48:29,280 --> 01:48:37,760
happily turn it over to public works
director Lee or our city attorney.

1028
01:48:35,119 --> 01:48:41,760
» Okay,
thank you for your question, Council

1029
01:48:39,119 --> 01:48:45,920
Member Senle. Um, just like U management
analyst Burch just said, uh, we are

1030
01:48:43,840 --> 01:48:49,760
currently in active negotiations. While
we do have a target of trying to get

1031
01:48:48,159 --> 01:48:55,239
this accomplished as soon as possible,
we do not have a definitive date that we

1032
01:48:51,440 --> 01:48:55,239
could present at this time.

1033
01:48:55,440 --> 01:49:02,239
» Okay. So, our just again where Council
Member Wong, excuse me, Mayor Prom Wong

1034
01:48:59,920 --> 01:49:06,719
was stating um we just want to make sure
people know that there isn't a different

1035
01:49:04,480 --> 01:49:09,760
rate increase coming down the road.
Okay.

1036
01:49:08,080 --> 01:49:11,040
» Another can.
>> What?

1037
01:49:10,480 --> 01:49:16,719
» Any other?
>> And another can. Not everybody's getting

1038
01:49:13,199 --> 01:49:21,520
a can though, right? on the organics.
>> Um, most residents already have three

1039
01:49:19,040 --> 01:49:24,320
containers like College Park residents.
So, it would just be the residents that

1040
01:49:22,880 --> 01:49:28,400
only have trash and recycle right now.
They would be getting a third cart. So,

1041
01:49:26,239 --> 01:49:31,840
it' be a three cart program is what
we've been negotiating.

1042
01:49:29,920 --> 01:49:35,679
» Um, and what if those carts don't fit
and some of our alleys are super narrow

1043
01:49:33,679 --> 01:49:41,760
and people don't even have space?
>> So, the the um the law allows for

1044
01:49:39,280 --> 01:49:44,400
waivers. So, property owners that have a
space constraint, we can definitely work

1045
01:49:43,360 --> 01:49:50,800
with them. do a waiver
>> on a waiver.

1046
01:49:47,280 --> 01:49:56,239
» Any other comments or questions,
>> Patty?

1047
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:59,119
» Oh, I'm uh No, I'm I'm good. Sorry.
>> Okay. There's a lot going on in the

1048
01:49:57,840 --> 01:50:03,280
trash world. So,
>> thank you, Lauren and Debbie. Thank you

1049
01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:05,840
for coming tonight. I appreciate it. Um
I'd like to call for a motion in a

1050
01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:09,600
second, please.
>> It has been moved by Council Member

1051
01:50:07,440 --> 01:50:14,880
Calmic and second by Council Member
Steel.

1052
01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:14,880
Please cast your vote.

1053
01:50:17,280 --> 01:50:21,760
That would be a yes. Motion carries.
Five votes. Yes.

1054
01:50:20,960 --> 01:50:27,360
» Thank you, ladies.
>> Thank you.

1055
01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:30,880
» Okay. Now, moving on to public hearing.
Uh consideration of amendments to the

1056
01:50:29,119 --> 01:50:36,560
zoning code to implement the housing
element relating to farmworker housing

1057
01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:40,560
density bonus, minimum unit sizes, and
parking standards for studios and

1058
01:50:38,400 --> 01:50:46,639
one-bedroom units. And I would like to
call upon interim uh director

1059
01:50:43,840 --> 01:50:50,960
Temple.
>> Thank you, mayor. Good evening again,

1060
01:50:48,880 --> 01:50:55,600
council, city manager. The item tonight
is a public hearing regarding zoning

1061
01:50:52,719 --> 01:51:01,760
zoning code amendments, text amendments
related to the imple implementing the

1062
01:50:58,080 --> 01:51:07,440
adopted housing element.
To provide some background, city council

1063
01:51:04,719 --> 01:51:14,000
adopted the current cycle of the housing
element on October 27th of last year.

1064
01:51:11,280 --> 01:51:19,520
Uh, and the
HCD issued finally issued us the letter

1065
01:51:17,199 --> 01:51:23,920
of being in compliance on fe February
26th. And yes, if you do the math,

1066
01:51:21,280 --> 01:51:30,080
that's took them four months to do that.
Um, we are in compliance. Uh, which is

1067
01:51:27,280 --> 01:51:35,760
good news. However, in that letter, they
also reminded us that we are m are

1068
01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:41,360
required to timely implement uh some
some of the statemandated programs that

1069
01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:46,560
are related to the housing element. Then
the purpose of the those programs are to

1070
01:51:43,840 --> 01:51:50,800
remove regulatory barriers to housing,
promote housing for all income levels

1071
01:51:48,480 --> 01:51:56,520
and special needs groups, maintain
housing affordability, and to further

1072
01:51:53,199 --> 01:51:56,520
fair fair housing.

1073
01:51:56,639 --> 01:52:05,360
the programs being presented to council
tonight. Uh uh the first being program

1074
01:52:02,080 --> 01:52:10,080
1Q, farmworker housing. This doesn't
necessarily apply to the city of Seal

1075
01:52:07,280 --> 01:52:13,280
Beach, but it's it's the state has a
one-sizefitit all in a lot of their

1076
01:52:12,159 --> 01:52:18,000
programs, and there are several
communities throughout California that

1077
01:52:15,360 --> 01:52:24,159
have farm workers that that are in need
of housing. Uh our the request is for us

1078
01:52:21,280 --> 01:52:29,679
to update our code to uh allow employee
farmworker housing of six persons or

1079
01:52:26,480 --> 01:52:35,440
fewer by right in residential zones um
and to add farmworker housing as a

1080
01:52:31,679 --> 01:52:42,880
defined residential use. Program 2A and
2G are related. They're regarding the uh

1081
01:52:38,320 --> 01:52:47,199
state's density bonus laws. So the state
has for quite some time has had a

1082
01:52:45,119 --> 01:52:52,880
program which we actually have in our
code right now related to what's called

1083
01:52:49,760 --> 01:52:58,800
a density bonus. That's when a housing
project proposes to

1084
01:52:56,080 --> 01:53:04,159
have a certain amount of units within
the project set aside for lower income

1085
01:53:01,520 --> 01:53:09,119
housing. And if you do so you're allowed
to get a bonus in the d beyond what's

1086
01:53:07,199 --> 01:53:15,760
normally allowed in the density of the
zone. So, if you could normally build 20

1087
01:53:12,560 --> 01:53:22,320
units, you could go up to 25 units
depending on how many uh affordable

1088
01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:26,480
units that you have. Uh to to allow that
um because in certain situations, the

1089
01:53:24,719 --> 01:53:31,920
development standards wouldn't allow
that. Uh it there's incentives related

1090
01:53:29,760 --> 01:53:38,480
to relief from development standards
such as height, floor area ratio,

1091
01:53:34,480 --> 01:53:42,800
reduced parking, setback reduction. Um
and there and in inclusive of uh program

1092
01:53:41,280 --> 01:53:46,639
2G
uh part of that the proposal is to

1093
01:53:44,960 --> 01:53:52,400
facilitate the partnerships between
commercial and affordable housing

1094
01:53:48,080 --> 01:53:58,119
developers uh to to so that they can so
that commercial developers can look at

1095
01:53:54,400 --> 01:53:58,119
those those programs.

1096
01:53:58,239 --> 01:54:08,080
The final two programs uh program 3H is
the state has told us that we needed to

1097
01:54:05,840 --> 01:54:12,800
reduce minimum unit size across
residential zones. Uh currently in our

1098
01:54:10,880 --> 01:54:19,199
single family neighborhoods the minimum
unit size is 1250 square ft and within

1099
01:54:15,599 --> 01:54:24,000
Oldtown area it's 950. the so it's being
proposed that the minimum unit size to

1100
01:54:21,840 --> 01:54:31,520
build a primary unit within one of those
zones is is 500 feet square feet across

1101
01:54:27,040 --> 01:54:35,440
the board. Um and there was also as part
of it we cleaned up some of the language

1102
01:54:33,119 --> 01:54:41,920
in Surfside some of the older language
as it as it spoke about ADUs and Jadus

1103
01:54:39,280 --> 01:54:48,239
um that currently matches the language
for the rest of the city. Program 3J is

1104
01:54:45,199 --> 01:54:53,840
parking standards. Uh right now any type
of housing that you build requires two

1105
01:54:50,719 --> 01:54:58,000
spaces per unit. Uh this the this
proposal would reduce that requirement

1106
01:54:55,840 --> 01:55:02,639
for studios in one bedrooms from two
spaces to one space per unit with the

1107
01:55:00,480 --> 01:55:08,239
idea that those smaller units have a
lower demand in parking. uh just given

1108
01:55:05,599 --> 01:55:13,560
their size and with the also with the
intention to to promote smaller, more

1109
01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:13,560
affordable units.

1110
01:55:14,080 --> 01:55:21,599
This item was heard by our planning
commission on February 2nd. Uh the

1111
01:55:19,440 --> 01:55:28,960
commission considered the ordinance but
no recommendation due to a two tie vote.

1112
01:55:25,280 --> 01:55:34,400
Uh one commissioner was absent and uh
there was a split vote.

1113
01:55:31,840 --> 01:55:39,199
What that means procedurally is that the
state statute requires that the planning

1114
01:55:37,599 --> 01:55:45,119
commission
uh review and make comment for the

1115
01:55:41,920 --> 01:55:49,760
council to consider the item. But the
commission's role is advisory only on

1116
01:55:47,280 --> 01:55:54,320
not binding to the city. And per the
code, if the for these types of

1117
01:55:51,760 --> 01:55:58,880
situations, if the planning commission
fails to adopt the resolution, it's

1118
01:55:56,800 --> 01:56:02,880
deemed approved to move forward to the
council for for review. And so that's

1119
01:56:01,040 --> 01:56:07,760
why it's it's with with the council
tonight. Uh when when it was presented

1120
01:56:05,920 --> 01:56:12,159
to the planning commission, there was an
additional program regarding emergency

1121
01:56:09,760 --> 01:56:18,560
shelter provisions. I believe that's
what was the the controversial part uh

1122
01:56:16,159 --> 01:56:22,800
amongst the most of the the commission's
discussion. Staff has uh removed that so

1123
01:56:21,360 --> 01:56:27,679
that we could do further background
research into the issue and address it

1124
01:56:24,880 --> 01:56:31,520
separately. And u we're moving forward
with the rest of the items tonight.

1125
01:56:31,599 --> 01:56:39,760
So that concludes my presentation. Uh
staff's recommendation is to introduce

1126
01:56:36,960 --> 01:56:44,719
and approve the ordinance 1725 to
implement these programs to in order to

1127
01:56:42,320 --> 01:56:47,119
comply with state housing law.
>> Thank you.

1128
01:56:45,040 --> 01:56:52,880
» Thank you very much.
Um do you we want to hold our comments

1129
01:56:50,080 --> 01:56:57,040
until after we hear the public?
>> Okay. Uh at this time I will now open

1130
01:56:54,800 --> 01:57:00,040
the public hearing. Are there any public
comments?

1131
01:57:07,119 --> 01:57:13,840
Hi again, council mayor and and
everyone. Uh, just on this, so to my

1132
01:57:12,239 --> 01:57:18,480
knowledge, the only real farming
activity in Seal Beach is on the weapons

1133
01:57:16,400 --> 01:57:22,320
station. I'm not really sure of any
major other than just backyard

1134
01:57:20,400 --> 01:57:29,520
gardening. And I understand probably
this is required by the state or related

1135
01:57:24,960 --> 01:57:35,040
to our housing regulations and uh zoning
but um is is such housing uh you know to

1136
01:57:33,599 --> 01:57:40,239
and again I don't know a lot about this
I didn't have time to read much about it

1137
01:57:36,639 --> 01:57:47,040
but uh there there had been in the past
information that such housing is to be

1138
01:57:42,239 --> 01:57:50,320
provided or on the property of the um of
the property owner for the farm or the

1139
01:57:48,719 --> 01:57:53,599
ranch or whatever. Now, you know,
there's been a lot of changes and I

1140
01:57:51,920 --> 01:57:58,239
haven't kept with a lot of that, but
would this housing be on the base? I

1141
01:57:56,239 --> 01:58:03,199
would think it would not be and if it
was on if it's not, where in Seal Beach

1142
01:58:00,639 --> 01:58:06,960
would it be or does it have to be
designated? So, it's just I guess

1143
01:58:05,280 --> 01:58:12,560
procedural questions like that I was
just wondering about and is there any

1144
01:58:09,520 --> 01:58:17,760
housing like this in Seal Beach now or
on the base or anywhere else related to

1145
01:58:15,119 --> 01:58:21,199
farming or other agricultural activity?
Thank you.

1146
01:58:19,040 --> 01:58:24,520
Thank you, Ken. Are we able to answer
his question?

1147
01:58:25,599 --> 01:58:32,239
» Yeah, I want to emphasize that this is
not a development plan nor a development

1148
01:58:29,840 --> 01:58:37,679
proposal. The these are updates to the
code. They're more policy updates by the

1149
01:58:35,520 --> 01:58:42,639
council in order to facilitate
facilitate any proposed development in

1150
01:58:40,719 --> 01:58:47,920
the future by private property owners.
So, there's no proposal for any

1151
01:58:44,719 --> 01:58:54,480
farmworker housing within the city. Um,
Mr. Scythe is correct. There's not a lot

1152
01:58:50,560 --> 01:59:00,320
of farm activity in the city. Uh, this
um, as I stated earlier, this is a a

1153
01:58:57,599 --> 01:59:05,679
state of California one-sizefits-all
request. They would they essentially

1154
01:59:03,360 --> 01:59:11,520
everything being proposed to to the
council tonight is already state law and

1155
01:59:09,599 --> 01:59:16,560
that and the and the state is just
asking us to bring our codes to be in

1156
01:59:13,520 --> 01:59:23,599
alignment with their codes to avoid uh
so that to avoid procedural

1157
01:59:20,960 --> 01:59:28,159
timelines that so so that projects can
move quicker because there's not that

1158
01:59:25,599 --> 01:59:32,880
conflict because because this the the
state law is actually the law that we

1159
01:59:30,560 --> 01:59:35,199
needed defer to on these issues.
>> Thank you.

1160
01:59:33,520 --> 01:59:39,040
» The only thing I would add is that by
adopting this, you're not encouraging

1161
01:59:37,119 --> 01:59:43,280
any more farmworker housing or less
farmworker housing because it's simply

1162
01:59:40,960 --> 01:59:48,679
what the state law already is.
>> Thank you. Are there any more public

1163
01:59:45,679 --> 01:59:48,679
comments?

1164
01:59:56,080 --> 02:00:04,719
» Hi, Teresa Miller. Um, Oldtown. Um, I
just had a couple cont comments. Um, I

1165
02:00:02,719 --> 02:00:11,679
went through all of the This is section
D of the um, I guess it's the housing

1166
02:00:08,480 --> 02:00:17,599
element programs and um, part of the
programs I just want to refer to there's

1167
02:00:13,840 --> 02:00:22,960
like I don't know 52 out of 54 that are
funded from general fund. So the

1168
02:00:20,080 --> 02:00:27,119
question is um, where is that money
going to come from and is there an

1169
02:00:24,880 --> 02:00:31,520
estimate? Um everything was very vague
in this but I I have to talk about some

1170
02:00:29,760 --> 02:00:36,800
of these because there are um I have
notes on all of them. Um you know we

1171
02:00:34,080 --> 02:00:43,599
have there's one program for um ADU's
marketing u materials. Okay. Um to to

1172
02:00:41,360 --> 02:00:51,199
let people know that this is really an
important thing. There is um something

1173
02:00:46,719 --> 02:00:54,480
from the let's see where's this one? Uh
okay that was the employee farm worker

1174
02:00:52,639 --> 02:00:59,040
which we just talked about for a second.
the um about the Navy or no I'm sorry

1175
02:00:57,119 --> 02:01:05,599
about uh Main Street specific there's
something on that um there's

1176
02:01:02,239 --> 02:01:12,960
uh some outreach for developer outreach
that was in here and one of them um the

1177
02:01:09,040 --> 02:01:18,400
programs there was let's see promote OC
mortgage assistant programs there's you

1178
02:01:15,920 --> 02:01:24,480
know there's just a ton of programs that
are um varied and and honestly everybody

1179
02:01:22,239 --> 02:01:29,280
should really read it to see what it
entails because everything has you know

1180
02:01:27,360 --> 02:01:33,840
a general fund at the end of the day. No
price tag but just where the money is

1181
02:01:31,040 --> 02:01:41,840
going to come from. So um I think that's
just my question mainly. Um at the very

1182
02:01:38,400 --> 02:01:49,360
end the very very last uh program it's
6C is to promote the uh smart growth and

1183
02:01:46,800 --> 02:01:54,560
this this pretty much sums up everything
about um reducing the objective is to

1184
02:01:52,400 --> 02:01:57,920
reduce the reliance on vehicle travel
where possible and foster healthier

1185
02:01:56,400 --> 02:02:02,719
neighborhoods.
Th this document goes through a lot of

1186
02:02:00,080 --> 02:02:08,639
things about um what's good what's good
for citizens but the majority focuses on

1187
02:02:06,080 --> 02:02:17,760
highdensity housing in almost every
neighborhood. Um which you know when the

1188
02:02:14,000 --> 02:02:22,320
question comes up about you know um the
remedy the the whatever that's called

1189
02:02:20,239 --> 02:02:25,520
the builder's remedy. This is the
builder's remedy. This is it. Everything

1190
02:02:24,080 --> 02:02:31,520
that they talk about is in this
document. There's no difference. So, I

1191
02:02:27,920 --> 02:02:38,480
mean, by signing by approving all the
zoning that you did in December has

1192
02:02:35,760 --> 02:02:42,159
locked us up. And if somebody does
decide, there's no going back. This is

1193
02:02:40,000 --> 02:02:47,679
all to make it easier without any
regulation, without any oversight of any

1194
02:02:45,440 --> 02:02:52,960
other uh group like the planning
commission. And um it's basically

1195
02:02:50,480 --> 02:02:56,639
selling out to any developer who wants
to do just about anything as long as

1196
02:02:54,480 --> 02:03:02,239
they meet the criteria. it can just, you
know, bypass anyone else's eyes. This is

1197
02:02:59,840 --> 02:03:05,520
our community. I mean, I don't This is
our community. We bought houses here, as

1198
02:03:04,080 --> 02:03:09,360
they did in a lot of others. I mean, I'm
sick and tired of hearing, "Oh, but the

1199
02:03:07,040 --> 02:03:13,119
state says, um, okay, well, we're going
to get another administration soon, and

1200
02:03:11,920 --> 02:03:18,159
maybe they're going to say something
different, but there's really no going

1201
02:03:14,480 --> 02:03:23,440
back." So, um, I don't know. I I want to
know where all the money that these

1202
02:03:20,239 --> 02:03:29,679
programs cost is going to come from.
So, thank you. Thank you, Teresa.

1203
02:03:27,440 --> 02:03:33,960
» Thank you, Teresa.
Are there any other public comments?

1204
02:03:44,000 --> 02:03:53,599
Hi, Ellery Deon, Oldtown. Two comments.
Number one, people need to think before

1205
02:03:50,320 --> 02:03:58,239
they vote. This is absolutely what we
get for what we've got in Sacramento.

1206
02:03:56,239 --> 02:04:03,760
It's time for a change. That's number
one. Number two, you keep getting

1207
02:04:01,119 --> 02:04:08,800
threatened with builder's remedy. Look
at what you're signing off on. It's

1208
02:04:05,679 --> 02:04:13,679
builder's remedy. It's an empty threat.
You're giving it away instead of having

1209
02:04:10,880 --> 02:04:18,400
a builder come in and take it. So, I
You're in a tough place. I know it.

1210
02:04:16,800 --> 02:04:23,679
I didn't vote in the way that got us
here, but the state of California did.

1211
02:04:21,199 --> 02:04:28,080
So, we need to change how we vote if we
expect any changes at all. So, thank

1212
02:04:26,560 --> 02:04:34,920
you.
>> Thank you, Ellery.

1213
02:04:30,480 --> 02:04:34,920
Are there any other public comments?

1214
02:04:35,760 --> 02:04:45,960
Okay. If not, I will now close the
public hearing and um now is the time

1215
02:04:41,360 --> 02:04:45,960
for council discussion and deliberation.

1216
02:04:46,239 --> 02:04:56,239
Thank you, mayor. Uh, yes, we're in a
tough spot, but we've seen that uh other

1217
02:04:53,199 --> 02:05:03,360
cities that have uh decided to fight
that have lost at every um judicial

1218
02:05:01,760 --> 02:05:08,960
milestone
and uh it's costing a lot of money. It

1219
02:05:07,040 --> 02:05:14,880
will cost them a lot of money to come
into compliance before there's an

1220
02:05:11,440 --> 02:05:20,639
opportunity for a regime change.
Um, and unfortunately, uh, on top of all

1221
02:05:18,639 --> 02:05:25,760
of this, I understand from our community
development director and reading the

1222
02:05:22,639 --> 02:05:32,320
document that there's like everything
from monthly to quarterly to annual

1223
02:05:28,560 --> 02:05:37,119
reports on all of these items that our
department is going to have to comply

1224
02:05:34,000 --> 02:05:45,599
with, which is going to take staff time
and is another unfunded mandate. So, um,

1225
02:05:42,239 --> 02:05:51,040
yes, it's a tough situation for us, but
I think that, um,

1226
02:05:48,480 --> 02:05:56,480
you know, if we
if we kind of take a step back and we

1227
02:05:53,599 --> 02:06:02,080
look at at how development,
um, has actually evolved in Seal Beach,

1228
02:06:00,400 --> 02:06:06,880
you know, our College Park
neighborhoods, Leisure World of course,

1229
02:06:04,480 --> 02:06:14,400
which is self-governing,
um, and for the most part, on the hill,

1230
02:06:10,960 --> 02:06:19,679
you know, things have not really changed
substantially. You know, there's some

1231
02:06:15,920 --> 02:06:26,000
ADU activity that's going on and and uh
you know, that's that's happening. You

1232
02:06:22,639 --> 02:06:32,960
know, Oldtown the uh the real threat for
Oldtown is we we can't get very much

1233
02:06:30,800 --> 02:06:39,920
more dense
within 25 ft of height. And so the

1234
02:06:36,960 --> 02:06:46,480
alternative, not so much an alternative,
but the the only course of action I if

1235
02:06:43,760 --> 02:06:52,880
these rules become tighter is that we
would be forced to go up or we'd be

1236
02:06:49,599 --> 02:07:01,760
forced to go back to R2 instead of R1 on
a oldtown 25- ft lot. Um, but so far

1237
02:06:59,040 --> 02:07:08,560
that doesn't seem to be imminent. But I
think what we have to be very watchful

1238
02:07:05,520 --> 02:07:15,040
of is what the next RENA assessment's
going to be. You know, I've heard from

1239
02:07:11,599 --> 02:07:23,520
different sources that watch out. You
know, um, from from my viewpoint, um,

1240
02:07:19,040 --> 02:07:28,239
anything anything over one in the next
round is

1241
02:07:26,079 --> 02:07:34,159
you know, is almost impossible since
getting to the 1243

1242
02:07:31,119 --> 02:07:39,040
was, you know, doing a a real dance of
the seven veils, you know, to get to

1243
02:07:36,079 --> 02:07:51,920
that point. So, um, you know, I can't
offer solutions. Um, but I think if um

1244
02:07:46,639 --> 02:07:57,599
I I think because we we are watchful,
meaning those of us that live in the

1245
02:07:54,880 --> 02:08:01,599
different districts are are watchful of
what's going on in the district. You

1246
02:07:59,679 --> 02:08:06,639
know, we hear, you know, what's what's
happening? Are people um wanting to

1247
02:08:04,639 --> 02:08:10,320
start to push the envelope of what
they're going to be allowed to do? And

1248
02:08:08,880 --> 02:08:15,119
of course, you know, they then have to
deal with their neighbors. And so

1249
02:08:12,639 --> 02:08:21,679
there's sort of a a community pressure
to not go too crazy. Um, you know, in

1250
02:08:18,800 --> 02:08:27,520
Oldtown it's a little bit a little bit
more difficult because, you know, all of

1251
02:08:24,400 --> 02:08:33,760
a sudden people things suddenly appear
in Oldtown. Uh whether they be the

1252
02:08:30,000 --> 02:08:38,719
vacation rentals or ADUs and so forth.
Um

1253
02:08:35,520 --> 02:08:46,079
but I think that if as a community we
kind of keep our eyes open for uh what

1254
02:08:41,840 --> 02:08:51,440
we think may be coming and you know we
can sort of act accordingly without you

1255
02:08:48,800 --> 02:08:55,199
know blatantly trying to push back on
the state. I think it's been

1256
02:08:52,719 --> 02:09:00,800
demonstrated that that doesn't get you
anywhere at this point. Thank you.

1257
02:08:58,800 --> 02:09:08,159
» Thank you.
Um so I I in reading the document um I

1258
02:09:05,280 --> 02:09:13,920
noticed in several places that it talks
about um who's the responsible party for

1259
02:09:11,360 --> 02:09:20,079
different pieces of these programs and a
lot of it says general fund. So my

1260
02:09:16,159 --> 02:09:23,760
concern is we are now in budget time and
going to be moving through the budget

1261
02:09:21,520 --> 02:09:28,719
and then we have if we adopt this right
now we've got all these unknowns in here

1262
02:09:26,320 --> 02:09:35,520
with general fund general fund general
fund. We have no idea what we're walking

1263
02:09:30,719 --> 02:09:40,239
into. And so I'm deeply concerned that
we need to look at the financial

1264
02:09:37,599 --> 02:09:45,760
obligations of an unfunded mandate that
is going to be put upon this city. So

1265
02:09:43,040 --> 02:09:51,920
that is very concerning. Um the other
thing is tonight in item D because we

1266
02:09:48,480 --> 02:09:56,639
voted that out. Um our staff is able to
move forward with the progress report

1267
02:09:53,520 --> 02:10:01,360
that is due April 1st. So, if we were to
hold this back, this does not impact the

1268
02:09:59,520 --> 02:10:08,400
ability to submit our first report
that's due on April 1st. So, that would

1269
02:10:03,440 --> 02:10:11,679
be cleared. So, um I um there's a lot of
information in here. Every time I read

1270
02:10:09,920 --> 02:10:17,840
this stuff, it's more confusing than the
first time I read it. And I think um

1271
02:10:15,840 --> 02:10:22,400
your quote, Ken, was just, you know,
probably where a lot of our people are

1272
02:10:20,159 --> 02:10:26,880
don't know. It takes a lot of time. You
know, it's spot on. So anyway, I'm of

1273
02:10:25,199 --> 02:10:30,079
the opinion because we don't know the
cost that we're walking into, we need to

1274
02:10:28,560 --> 02:10:34,400
hold off on this piece. We've already
voted out the most important piece so we

1275
02:10:32,239 --> 02:10:39,360
can be in compliance. And I think this
needs to go back. Um I would encourage

1276
02:10:37,440 --> 02:10:44,159
us to consider a study session. Our
residents are very unaware of this and

1277
02:10:42,159 --> 02:10:47,360
we need to let people know about this,
walk through it with us. I think we need

1278
02:10:45,760 --> 02:10:51,599
a study session, get our residents
informed, our businesses informed, and

1279
02:10:49,679 --> 02:10:55,679
we need to understand the implications
on our budget because we're in budget

1280
02:10:53,360 --> 02:10:59,040
right now. And if there's stuff in here
that's going to hit us, that means we

1281
02:10:56,960 --> 02:11:02,960
got to cut elsewhere to be able to
afford this stuff that the state wants

1282
02:11:00,639 --> 02:11:07,520
us to do. So, I'm deeply concerned about
the budget implications. So, um, that's

1283
02:11:05,840 --> 02:11:11,119
where I'm at. I think this is not this
piece is not ready to go tonight. We

1284
02:11:09,840 --> 02:11:15,040
need to send it back. We can have
planning commission look at it again

1285
02:11:12,560 --> 02:11:19,840
study session let our residents and
businesses opine be aware and then bring

1286
02:11:17,840 --> 02:11:23,840
this back. I I do not feel that I have
enough information to vote on this.

1287
02:11:23,119 --> 02:11:27,760
» Thank you.
>> Can I can I just ask a clarifying

1288
02:11:25,679 --> 02:11:31,520
question? Uh I understand the comment
about the general fund and the impacts

1289
02:11:29,199 --> 02:11:37,040
of the programs, but the ordinance
tonight is the I guess the cost or the

1290
02:11:34,800 --> 02:11:42,719
resources to implement the four or five
programs that are addressed in this uh

1291
02:11:39,440 --> 02:11:48,639
ordinance have been absorbed for however
you want to put that um and are

1292
02:11:45,920 --> 02:11:51,840
memorialized in this ordinance.
Obviously, there are other costs

1293
02:11:50,159 --> 02:11:56,239
associated with compliance with all the
other uh programs that need to be

1294
02:11:54,639 --> 02:12:00,800
discussed and considered as part of a
budget, but the four or five programs

1295
02:11:58,239 --> 02:12:04,719
that are addressed in this ordinance, I
guess, are sort of that cost has been

1296
02:12:02,719 --> 02:12:09,360
incurred.
>> I'm reading tons of programs in here.

1297
02:12:07,599 --> 02:12:13,520
» I totally get it. Uh and the ordinance
is only covering how many programs,

1298
02:12:12,000 --> 02:12:16,960
Sean,
>> there it's five programs tonight?

1299
02:12:15,199 --> 02:12:22,400
» Five programs.
So there's yeah there's um I don't know

1300
02:12:20,079 --> 02:12:28,159
when I when I do the uh the annual
progress report there's some there's 70

1301
02:12:25,040 --> 02:12:35,119
different uh reporting items but some of
them were broken of different programs

1302
02:12:31,040 --> 02:12:41,840
but there's there's uh I believe there's
probably about 25 30 programs and the

1303
02:12:39,440 --> 02:12:47,679
but for example one of the programs was
adopt the mixeduse zone which was done

1304
02:12:45,199 --> 02:12:54,560
in last October And so these are it's
not being proposed that we adopt all

1305
02:12:50,159 --> 02:12:59,440
these programs tonight. Um it we're just
as our city attorney stated, we're just

1306
02:12:56,800 --> 02:13:04,639
looking at the the five of the programs
which which I listed out in my

1307
02:13:02,159 --> 02:13:09,520
presentation. Those were absorbed
through staff time. Staff time is paid

1308
02:13:07,760 --> 02:13:17,840
out of the general fund and that's why
that was listed. Uh similarly um Teresa

1309
02:13:13,760 --> 02:13:25,920
Miller brought up a few items program 6A
the the smart goal implementation and in

1310
02:13:22,639 --> 02:13:31,920
and uh urban planning what what smart
growth is is is trying to

1311
02:13:29,440 --> 02:13:37,760
design development that moves more to
pedestrian scale kind of how oldtown is

1312
02:13:35,360 --> 02:13:42,320
versus the suburban scale which is the
the driving you drive everywhere you go

1313
02:13:40,159 --> 02:13:46,320
instead instead of walking. And so
through the implementation of the

1314
02:13:43,920 --> 02:13:52,960
mixeduse zone where you now have
potential to have residential uses

1315
02:13:49,599 --> 02:13:59,679
within the commercial areas
that we reported that as achieving the

1316
02:13:56,000 --> 02:14:06,719
the smart goal policy of 6A the ADU
marketing materials uh is essentially us

1317
02:14:03,679 --> 02:14:12,159
updating our website. We have a ADU page
on our website that has a lot

1318
02:14:08,960 --> 02:14:17,280
information on on ADUs that accomplishes
that goal that was done through staff

1319
02:14:14,239 --> 02:14:23,360
time updating the website. Several of
these um are just staff time and I I

1320
02:14:21,360 --> 02:14:29,440
agree with Council Member Synagol. I
think I think a study session and and

1321
02:14:26,560 --> 02:14:34,800
looking at these uh programs would be
very beneficial. It's very confusing

1322
02:14:32,079 --> 02:14:40,480
this housing element. It's not it's it's
just it's so much information

1323
02:14:38,159 --> 02:14:46,639
that it's it's hard. It's like taking an
entire uh three or four year program in

1324
02:14:44,639 --> 02:14:51,199
college and trying to read it over the
weekend. It's it's just it's it's too

1325
02:14:48,960 --> 02:14:56,880
much information and I I think some some
additional community outreach. uh and

1326
02:14:54,880 --> 02:15:01,520
I'm always available if anyone wanted to
reach out to me directly uh would would

1327
02:14:59,840 --> 02:15:06,800
be helpful but a lot of this is just
incurred by by staff time and anything

1328
02:15:04,480 --> 02:15:12,560
that would need any sort of significant
amount of money uh you know within the

1329
02:15:09,599 --> 02:15:19,040
tens of thousands or or above. We would
bring to council individually that

1330
02:15:16,079 --> 02:15:23,440
program and say this program is going to
need need this amount of money and then

1331
02:15:21,199 --> 02:15:30,719
we could have that discussion on how
much money it merits at that time.

1332
02:15:28,159 --> 02:15:33,760
» Thank you very much.
>> I have a question

1333
02:15:32,800 --> 02:15:39,280
» if I may
>> please.

1334
02:15:34,960 --> 02:15:43,360
» Um thank you. Um,
this is the kind of thing that we do. We

1335
02:15:41,679 --> 02:15:49,119
we just don't have enough information
really to to even fathom what this is

1336
02:15:45,920 --> 02:15:53,840
all about. And I have little to none no
trust in Sacramento and their policies

1337
02:15:51,599 --> 02:15:57,599
and the way they're pointed in this
world and the way itffects affect Seal

1338
02:15:56,079 --> 02:16:00,880
Beaches.
To be honest with you, we don't know

1339
02:15:59,040 --> 02:16:06,159
what Seal Beach is going to look like in
25 years. I know what we want it to look

1340
02:16:03,760 --> 02:16:09,920
like in 25 years. And that's not
substantially different than what it

1341
02:16:07,599 --> 02:16:16,560
looks like now. But if we start opening
up the um the the floodgates to a 500

1342
02:16:13,440 --> 02:16:22,800
square foot minimum, for example, or if
we have um density bonuses that allow

1343
02:16:20,079 --> 02:16:27,760
some builder somewhere someday get a
density bonus that allows them to build

1344
02:16:24,560 --> 02:16:31,679
a six-story building or 30story building
or whatever it happens to be somewhere

1345
02:16:29,679 --> 02:16:35,840
in here and we don't have the control as
a city to to do something about it. I

1346
02:16:34,080 --> 02:16:40,719
know we have ordinances that have passed
that prohibit that have height limits in

1347
02:16:38,559 --> 02:16:46,399
it, but what does the builder's remedy
do to that with a density bonus? And so

1348
02:16:43,439 --> 02:16:52,519
I'm not I don't like this. I've been
I've said it before, I'll say it again.

1349
02:16:48,240 --> 02:16:52,519
I think Sacramento is

1350
02:16:53,120 --> 02:17:00,160
I won't I won't repeat what I said last
time. So I've been quoted on that. Uh I

1351
02:16:58,160 --> 02:17:04,319
don't want to give them an inch. I
always bristle when uh things like

1352
02:17:02,800 --> 02:17:08,000
housing elements come around and I
played along with that and now we have a

1353
02:17:06,240 --> 02:17:12,479
this is the back end of the housing
element I suppose right now and I I just

1354
02:17:10,559 --> 02:17:18,719
I don't like playing the game. I don't
mind telling Sacramento

1355
02:17:16,319 --> 02:17:21,359
no until I have a better understanding
of really what we're talking about here.

1356
02:17:20,160 --> 02:17:26,719
if they're they're opening the
floodgates to 500 foot ADUs and those

1357
02:17:24,160 --> 02:17:33,760
ADUs could be sold in the secondary
market and that could genuinely impact

1358
02:17:29,679 --> 02:17:38,960
Oldtown. It could impact uh uh the hill.
It could impact every part of this town.

1359
02:17:36,240 --> 02:17:43,599
Uh so I I I don't want to play along to
be honest with you tonight anyway till I

1360
02:17:42,479 --> 02:17:48,960
get more information.
>> Thank you very much. Mayor Prom,

1361
02:17:47,679 --> 02:17:56,080
» do you have any comments?
>> Not at the moment. Sorry.

1362
02:17:50,639 --> 02:17:59,760
» Um, okay. Um, so 2 a um transferring
review of authority from the planning

1363
02:17:57,599 --> 02:18:06,000
commission to the community development
direct. So why do we even need a

1364
02:18:03,359 --> 02:18:12,800
planning commission? Is that really
what's where we're headed with this?

1365
02:18:10,080 --> 02:18:18,719
» Well, when it in reference to the
density bonus, essentially all this is

1366
02:18:16,559 --> 02:18:22,960
already statutory law within the state.
what what would be requested if they

1367
02:18:21,200 --> 02:18:26,719
provide a certain amount of affordable
units, they're allowed to have certain

1368
02:18:24,559 --> 02:18:32,160
incentives.
And so the commission while having the

1369
02:18:30,160 --> 02:18:37,599
ability to hear it wouldn't have the
discretion, which is their purpose is to

1370
02:18:34,719 --> 02:18:41,200
have discretion to make changes per the
state law. They could say something

1371
02:18:39,760 --> 02:18:47,599
contrary, but then that would be
contrary to state law. So the idea is

1372
02:18:45,760 --> 02:18:52,800
since these are pretty much objective
standards within the state code that the

1373
02:18:50,719 --> 02:18:57,760
state wants it to be done through
administrative process. So that would be

1374
02:18:55,679 --> 02:19:03,280
done through through the director's
review.

1375
02:18:59,519 --> 02:19:09,359
» Thank you. Um I feel like at this rate,
you know, uh the next question will be

1376
02:19:06,479 --> 02:19:14,160
why do we even need a city council?
So,

1377
02:19:11,120 --> 02:19:19,519
um, yeah, I'm I'm I'm not for pushing
through this quickly. Um,

1378
02:19:17,040 --> 02:19:22,719
something else, um, you said earlier in
regards to the farm workers, uh, that

1379
02:19:21,679 --> 02:19:26,080
the state has made it like a
one-sizefits-all, and I feel like that's

1380
02:19:24,479 --> 02:19:32,080
what they're doing to us with the arena
numbers. So, it's not fair, um, where

1381
02:19:30,080 --> 02:19:38,319
that we've got the the same numbers or
that same template uh, as other cities.

1382
02:19:35,920 --> 02:19:42,880
And um you know I I when I go out to the
Inland Empire um they have so much land

1383
02:19:40,880 --> 02:19:49,600
there and they're building like crazy.
Um but it it's it's not what we'd be

1384
02:19:47,280 --> 02:19:55,040
looking at here in Seal Beach. I mean
somebody said to me once uh the analogy

1385
02:19:53,600 --> 02:20:01,200
once the toothpaste comes out of the
tube there's no putting it back in. And

1386
02:19:58,240 --> 02:20:05,520
once we go, you know, high density here
in in Oldtown, the the character of

1387
02:20:03,280 --> 02:20:13,600
Oldtown is going to be destroyed forever
and there's no going back on that. So,

1388
02:20:09,439 --> 02:20:19,280
um I I also think we maybe need to bring
this back. So, okay.

1389
02:20:15,840 --> 02:20:20,640
» Can I um Mayor Oh, I'm sorry. Were you
going to speak?

1390
02:20:20,080 --> 02:20:26,560
» No, go ahead.
>> Oh, okay. I'll make a motion. Um um I

1391
02:20:24,080 --> 02:20:32,080
would like to motion that we bring this
um this item back and in the interim we

1392
02:20:29,840 --> 02:20:36,000
have another stop at the planning
commission for discussion. Maybe you

1393
02:20:33,680 --> 02:20:40,479
combine the planning commission with a
um study session or separate them

1394
02:20:38,399 --> 02:20:47,439
whatever staff thinks is best. I think
we need more information. Um I certainly

1395
02:20:43,359 --> 02:20:52,560
need to be again um it's it's confusing
and so I think we need to um bring it

1396
02:20:49,920 --> 02:20:56,479
back. So, the motion is return this um
at a later date and in the interim have

1397
02:20:54,800 --> 02:21:01,760
the planning commission and a study
session um together and then bring it

1398
02:20:59,280 --> 02:21:05,280
back or you can if if it's better to
separate them or bring them together,

1399
02:21:03,280 --> 02:21:09,359
but bring this back after we have more
time to really understand what we're

1400
02:21:07,520 --> 02:21:12,960
voting on and our residents need to know
what we're voting on and our businesses

1401
02:21:10,960 --> 02:21:16,280
need to know what we're voting on.
>> I'll second.

1402
02:21:18,479 --> 02:21:25,359
» Go ahead. I I just had a question, Sean.
Um

1403
02:21:22,880 --> 02:21:31,680
the delay that we're asking for, how
what's the impact on your department and

1404
02:21:28,640 --> 02:21:38,240
our ability to, you know, be in
compliance with the state and our

1405
02:21:34,640 --> 02:21:44,240
housing element being valid,
a re report to the state once a year. So

1406
02:21:41,920 --> 02:21:52,160
that was the item D tonight was the
annual progress report that will be sent

1407
02:21:46,399 --> 02:21:59,760
to Sacramento this week and they can our
next reporting period would be next

1408
02:21:54,399 --> 02:22:04,319
April 1st. So it they would want to see
what updates have happened in between

1409
02:22:02,479 --> 02:22:08,640
now and then in the programs.
>> We say next April 1st. Is that 2027?

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» Correct.
>> Next year.

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» Correct. However, I don't they may do a
review of the annual progress report and

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ask for some sort of updates. I don't
know if that would happen, but the next

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report would be uh April 1st, 2027.
>> The only thing I would add is that

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there's not like a the deadlines for a
lot of this have already passed in the

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02:22:31,120 --> 02:22:39,280
housing element. Uh HCD is charged with
reviewing this compliance with every

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02:22:37,280 --> 02:22:44,720
city's housing element.
um when they're going to do that I can't

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02:22:42,000 --> 02:22:49,439
say for certain. So a a next April 1st
is not like a deadline. Doing it as

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02:22:47,200 --> 02:22:53,080
quickly as possible is I guess the only
thing I can offer.

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02:22:53,280 --> 02:22:58,960
» Thank you very much. We take a role.
>> Yes. Council member Synical. How do you

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vote?
>> Can we repeat the motion, please?

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02:23:02,720 --> 02:23:09,600
» Do you want to read it back or you
>> Oh, you can read it back. I did make

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02:23:07,200 --> 02:23:14,800
notes. You did say that you wanted to
>> this item would be returned to staff to

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02:23:12,800 --> 02:23:19,920
um have return it to the planning
commission a study session and also um

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02:23:18,319 --> 02:23:23,520
we need to fill in the blanks on some of
the costs whatever this general fund

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02:23:21,920 --> 02:23:29,840
impact is. We need to see the cost
impacts as well when this comes back

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02:23:27,680 --> 02:23:33,840
or the best you can estimate our cost
impacts.

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02:23:30,640 --> 02:23:39,359
» So does that mean we're not voting on
item J or we are substituting? We are

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02:23:37,200 --> 02:23:42,800
substituting what the recommendation
was.

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02:23:41,040 --> 02:23:44,880
» Mayor Landau, how do you vote?
>> Yes.

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02:23:43,280 --> 02:23:46,960
» Council member Calm, how do you vote?
>> Yes.

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02:23:45,280 --> 02:23:49,920
» Council member Steel, how do you vote?
>> Yes.

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02:23:47,439 --> 02:23:51,200
» Council member Mayor Pro Tim Wong, how
do you vote?

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02:23:50,479 --> 02:23:54,880
» Yes.
>> Motion carries. Five votes. Yes.

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02:23:53,200 --> 02:24:00,160
» Okay.
>> Thank you very much. Okay. Um, I will

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now adjourn tonight's city council
meeting to Monday, April 13th, 2026

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at 5:30 p.m. to meet in close session if
deemed necessary. Thank you and good

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night.