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[0:06] Meeting, everybody please rise for the public meeting.
[0:12] I pledge allegiance to the spirit of the United States of America and to the product of which stands one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.
[0:35] Councilor Layne-Marcos.
[0:37] Present.
[0:38] Councilor Campy-Dellar.
[0:40] Here.
[0:41] Councilor Vicki Lowe.
[0:42] Here.
[0:43] Councilor Rachel Adams.
[0:44] or Anderson, I'm sorry.
[0:46] Here.
[0:49] Deputy Mayor Brandon Jamies.
[0:51] Present.
[0:52] Chancellor Lowell-Rampton, Mayor Tom Farrell.
[0:58] The Interrogate Emotion to dismiss both Tom
[1:02] and Lowell for excused actions.
[1:04] Do you
[1:08] have a position?
[1:10] Objection.
[1:12] Do you have an Emotion passes?
[1:16] Item 4 approval of the final agenda.
[1:18] Is there any changes anybody wants to make?
[1:22] I would like to move item 9.1 to right after item number six.
[1:33] I have some people that I would like to speak to.
[1:50] I have number five public comments.
[2:21] Let me read this script. Sorry guys.
[2:25] The public comment she has been collected for those attending in person.
[2:29] Comments will be taken every other one from those attending virtually by phone or in person.
[2:35] But those attending virtually are by phone, if you would like to provide public comment.
[2:40] Please now press or raise your hand icon or if you're on the phone press not.
[2:45] Each person will have three minutes to speak on any topic and there will be a timer visible on the street.
[2:49] And you total of 30 minutes will be permitted to provide comment. Please get your name, address, and if you're representing an organization.
[2:59] Again, for those who are virtual or on the phone, please no press or raise your hand icon or press star nine.
[3:08] My name is Rebecca Horst. I am a resident of the city of Squim and I originally submitted a
[3:15] proclamation for pride and I would like to read that because I would like the community
[3:20] to know what I submitted. Whereas the month of June is chosen as pride month across the nation
[3:28] to commemorate the catalyst of the LGBT rights movement known as the Stonewall
[3:32] riots of June 1969, and whereas the President of the United States proclaimed the month of June 2021
[3:39] as lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer pride month, and furthermore stated,
[3:45] I call upon the people of the United States to recognize the achievements of the LGBTQ plus
[3:50] community, to celebrate the great diversity of the American people and to wave their flags of
[3:56] pride high and whereas the governor of Washington state proclaimed the month of June 2021 lesbian gay
[4:03] bisexual transgender queer two-spirit and intersex pride month and whereas every individual is equal
[4:10] before and under the law and has the right to equal protection and equal benefit of the law
[4:16] without discrimination based on race nation ethnic origin color religion sex age or mental
[4:23] or physical disability and whereas we all have an obligation to understand those rights
[4:29] and treat each other's human condition at the core of every citizen of all ages with respect
[4:34] and dignity and whereas all demographics deserve to be heard even when their voices are silenced
[4:40] and whereas many of SWIM's LGBT plus retirement community are content to declare their advocacy
[4:47] days are over and they intend to live in peaceful retirement and whereas Swim has a thriving
[4:54] youth and young adult and middle-aged LGBT plus community that needs nurturing self-respect
[5:01] that comes from representation and visible symbols of inclusivity and acceptance openly
[5:06] displayed that leads to the ability to make healthy choices and cope with the challenges
[5:12] life brings for the greatest chance for future success.
[5:15] Now, therefore, the City Council of Swim, Washington, does hereby proclaim June as lesbian, gay,
[5:22] bisexual, transgender, queer, two-spirit, and intersex pride month.
[5:27] This is what I submitted.
[5:28] The reason I submitted this, many reasons, one we've never done it before.
[5:34] I want everyone to know that, according to the Trevor Projects 2022 National Survey,
[5:43] LGBTQ youth who live in a community that is accepting of the LGBTQ people reported significantly lower
[5:50] rates of attempting suicide than those who do not. 45% of LGBT youth this year have admitted
[5:58] to considering suicide. This flag represents identity and it represents support. It does
[6:09] not represent a political ideology, as I was told when I tried to hand this over to the
[6:17] city of Swim to fly on the pole. This represents people and when you raise it, you're raising
[6:22] the LGBTQ community. And I am asking you to possibly reconsider the decision by the city
[6:31] attorney to fly this flag during this month. So these younger LGBT youth, the citizens who
[6:41] are quiet, finished with their advocacy, the young adults in the middle age can
[6:46] all look up and see that we have pride and we support our community here. Thank you.
[6:55] Before the next one, I have a question. Is there a way to get a few more chairs in here that doesn't
[7:00] I didn't lock the fire exits.
[7:04] Excuse me.
[7:05] My guess is they're right up here.
[7:15] Come stay closer to us.
[8:49] All right,
[8:53] sorry for the delay there. Next person we have joining us is from our remote
[8:58] audience, Mr. Hodgson. Mr. Hodgson, you may now unmute your microphone and you may address
[9:04] the council.
[9:04] Thank
[9:07] you. Good evening, Councillors, City staff, members of the community. My name
[9:13] is Mark Hodgson. I live at 1725 West 16th Street in Fort Angeles, and I'm here
[9:18] tonight as a board member with Habitat for Humanity, Clowham County.
[9:23] Affordable housing is one of the top issues women's surrounding areas face
[9:26] today. The housing crisis has far-reaching effects on the current
[9:30] health of our citizenry and the long-term sustainability of our
[9:33] communities. Potential homeowners are simply priced out of today's limited housing stock.
[9:39] And although the seriousness of the issue is well known,
[9:42] governmental response has been inadequate or too slow.
[9:46] Nearly three months ago, this council voted to accept the Planning Commission's recommended
[9:51] changes to the comprehensive plan. Those changes allow for development of multi-family
[9:56] units within the city. However, despite acceptance of the Planning Commission's recommendations,
[10:01] The same zoning restrictions remain in effect today.
[10:06] With those restrictions in place,
[10:07] we cannot begin to resolve the housing crisis.
[10:12] Habitat Clalamone's four and a half acres of property in Squim
[10:15] and recently received a generous donation of $1 million
[10:18] from the Mackenzie Scott Foundation.
[10:21] Unfortunately, the delay in zoning changes
[10:24] has prevented us from using the property
[10:25] to build affordable multi-family housing.
[10:28] This delay is burdensome on a community already struggling with affordable housing and, frankly, unacceptable.
[10:36] This moment calls for more.
[10:38] I'm here to ask you to take bold, purposeful and swift action to ensure the proposed zoning changes move through the municipal process in an efficient and timely manner.
[10:48] The longer the process takes, the longer it will be until Habitat Clowlam can provide
[10:53] safe, decent and affordable housing for families in Swim.
[10:58] Thank you.
[11:01] Mr. Hodgson.
[11:03] Yes.
[11:05] I would invite you to reach out to Manager Hewish, he would be able to share with you
[11:09] some insight on the progress of those changes that we made a while back.
[11:14] I appreciate that.
[11:15] Thank you.
[11:16] And I, I'm sorry.
[11:19] There is a report on that the council asked city staff to report them in the city manager report and part of the community doesn't have that right now from here from Steve as part of the city manager report tonight.
[11:34] Okay.
[11:36] Okay, next step is Jim black.
[11:44] Good evening.
[11:44] Okay.
[11:45] I just want to address a couple, a couple of meetings ago, you talked about the homeless and housing homeless here in swim and how you were going to do that.
[11:54] Excuse me sir go ahead and press the button on the microphone.
[11:57] There you go.
[11:58] Yes. Yes. Okay, you were talking about the homeless here and possibly having property here and swim that you're going to possibly manage to have a homeless camp.
[12:08] And I don't know the details about that, but has to do with homeless and home sharing and dealing with that issue in our community for the homeless.
[12:17] I don't know the details, and I don't have a big speech here prepared, but I guess what I want to ask for when you do talk about those things, can we have a discussion with you are representatives, instead of just common periods like this.
[12:30] I came from Bellevue in the Seattle area and we had a low barrier men's shelter that was going to be housed right next to the Eastgate Park and ride.
[12:41] And we had discussions with the public. We had discussions with county members, county council members account with the city council of Bellevue and Seattle, and that was a positive thing for all of us.
[12:55] So just to give comments here isn't enough.
[12:58] Also, you can get ideas on how to do that better than it's been done in the past.
[13:03] You talked here last time here about an agency that you might hire to do that.
[13:08] Well, we don't know what that means, but we know one thing.
[13:13] It doesn't work in Seattle, it hasn't worked in Bellevue, it hasn't worked in Los Angeles.
[13:18] If we're going to do something like that here, let's do it in a way that is going
[13:21] to be positive for the community and positive for the people that you're trying to help.
[13:25] So my request is have an open forum, have a discussion instead of just comments. Thanks.
[13:34] Sir, would you like to leave your contact information with the city court for future follow up?
[13:39] I would do that.
[13:45] And just a reminder for those at home, if you care to leave public comment for the council, you may do so by pressing star nine, you may raise your hand, or press, if you're using the zoom app, you can press the raise your hand icon.
[14:09] Then Kathleen Kean.
[14:11] Hi.
[14:23] My name is Kathleen Kean.
[14:25] I did a 61 discovery review drive in
[14:28] swim I came here last city council meeting and spoke to you about my concerns about
[14:35] the corporation of the city of
[14:37] swim planning, doing planning meetings with the tribal corporation.
[14:45] It seems to me that the first people that were missing were the people.
[14:49] So we invited some townspeople so they could start learning about some of these things because we do have big concerns about them.
[15:01] As far as what Jim was just saying about this comment period happening only at the beginning
[15:07] of the meetings, it does feel a little unfair. It almost feels like a phone censorship to me
[15:17] because how can we comment on what's going on in the meeting when it hasn't happened yet?
[15:23] So I know it's hard to run meetings and I'm not trying to, but in a situation like this, we might need to have a little bit more back and forth.
[15:36] So if you can consider that we appreciate it.
[15:41] And then I really do want to talk a little bit more about this home sharing idea.
[15:47] I'm very concerned about it.
[15:49] My husband and I were landlords for almost 30 years and one of the reasons that we gave that up is because the laws were changing such that it gave me the tenants more rights than the property owner.
[16:11] And in this situation, I really do wonder if you do have a problem tenant, how are you going to get rid of them?
[16:21] They're living in your home. How do you get rid of them? It's not that easy, not with the laws that are in place today.
[16:29] So, these things have to be considered. Also, I'm worried about the homeowner's safety and their property.
[16:39] You know, what happens, you know, with a tenant living there? Is there insurance going to cover them?
[16:47] Or is the City of Swim going to provide extra insurance coverage?
[16:53] I mean, I just don't want to wake up in the morning and read about the home that got burned
[16:59] down because somebody was smoking a crack pipe in the bed, you know, we don't know what's
[17:06] going to happen.
[17:07] We know a lot of these homeless people have drug problems and crazy things happen when
[17:14] people are on drugs, so I'm very worried for the people and anyway, I just wanted
[17:23] to bring those concerns to the council and help you consider them. Thank you.
[17:44] Okay, moving on to item number six, proclamations to here. First one would be appreciation for the
[17:53] contributions of Eric Baratowski. Is he on Zoom, you know?
[17:59] Unfortunately, he's traveling
[18:00] the night and so he has apologetically said he's not there. So, unfortunately.
[18:09] Okay. All right. City of Scam proclamation recognizing Barry Berazowski for exceptional
[18:16] leadership and dedicated service as the Department of Community Development Director. Whereas
[18:22] Barry Berazowski began his public service career in community development in 1989 and whereas
[18:29] as his retirement signifies the 33 year career,
[18:33] serving as a planner at the state, county,
[18:36] and local levels of government within Washington state.
[18:40] And whereas Barry served in his hometown of Swim,
[18:44] he's in the community development department
[18:47] during the last five years of his career,
[18:49] overseeing planning, economic development,
[18:53] building and code compliance.
[18:55] And whereas Barry was a key player
[18:57] of the City of Swim team bringing vast amounts of experience to his work and whereas with
[19:04] the help of Barry's technical knowledge and leadership, the City of Swim adopted comprehensive
[19:09] plan and zoning toward amendments and whereas Barry cared deeply about Swim and worked
[19:15] towards actions and decisions that were in Swim's best interest and whereas Barry's
[19:23] quick wit and humor for our joining connection to those who work with him. His contributions
[19:29] will be missed by staff, council, and members of the community. And now therefore the City Council
[19:35] of the City of Swim, Washington, is hereby proclaimed its great appreciation for the
[19:41] contributions of Barry Berazowski. Recognition and gratitude for the lasting value of his
[19:47] contributions to see a swim will claim by the mayor of swim this 13th day of
[19:53] June by Mayor Tom Farrell.
[19:59] Any member of the council have any comments?
[20:05] Item 6.2 recognition of pride month and I do have something that the mayor
[20:10] wished for me to read prior.
[20:18] He states I signed this proclamation with
[20:20] significant deflection and introspection that our society with
[20:25] differences is one of the kids of one people. We are all in this life together and inclusion of
[20:32] everyone is the only thing that makes sense. Congratulations on this proclamation and all
[20:38] should take this moment to cherish our diverse citizenry, Marathon.
[20:49] CSWIN Proclamation recognizing
[20:51] Pride Month 2022. Whereas our nation was founded on the principle of people right for all
[20:58] people critical moments in American history have impacted civil rights movements and whereas
[21:05] a major watershed event for equal rights for the LGBTQ plus community occurred on June 28,
[21:13] 1969 in New York City known as the Stonewall riots and whereas LGBTQ plus private celebrations
[21:22] occur nationally and globally every June to commemorate the Stonewall event and has become Pride Month.
[21:32] And whereas the City of Swim has a diverse LGBTQ plus community that includes people of all ethnicities, religions, professions, families.
[21:42] And whereas all people should expect to live without fear of prejudice discrimination, violence and hatred for any reason, including against sexual orientation and gender identity.
[21:55] And whereas all citizens should take this moment to reflect on ensuring human kindness and respect for all residents and build a culture of inclusion for all.
[22:05] Now, therefore, the mayor and the city council, the city of Swim, Washington, does hear my
[22:10] honor and recognize the month of June 2022 as Pride Month and encourage all citizens to
[22:17] celebrate, proclaimed and presented by the mayor of Swim on this 13th day of June 2022,
[22:24] Mayor Tom Barra.
[22:35] I am dissenting from this proclamation and would like to honor the original proclamation.
[22:43] submitted by Miss Horst. Human rights are not political. We do great harm to people by pretending
[22:50] that they are. And just a reminder that slavery was a human rights violation and it was legal.
[22:58] Indian boarding schools were human rights violations and they were legal. The equal
[23:04] protections under the 14th amendment is the law of the land. If this makes you feel uncomfortable
[23:10] than maybe you need some self-reflection.
[23:13] We're finally living in a time where children who are LGBTQ+,
[23:20] can maybe grow up and not be grown to be heterosexual.
[23:24] This will have a huge impact on the mental health
[23:27] of our children.
[23:29] Discrimination, racism, and white supremacy
[23:31] are not political.
[23:34] Sorry, those are human rights violations.
[23:37] We need to raise those who have been oppressed up
[23:39] until they are equal on the same chance of the rest of us. Thank you.
[23:51] Any comments from council?
[23:56] If you can unbind with the one that we did. Thank you.
[24:04] Thank you everybody for a shout out coming to for these two proclamations.
[24:10] Okay, number nine point actually let's get a consent nine point one sorry.
[24:15] The skin housing and health collaborative mid-year reports.
[24:24] Thank you.
[24:26] Thank you.
[24:26] I'm sure he was going to do a near about a year, they received information
[24:30] in the packet, so they're just going to summarize that.
[24:32] And then be.
[24:53] Thank you so much. Good evening and thank you for this time that we have here together.
[24:59] As Cherie said, I'm Andrea Smith with the Swim Food Bank and tonight I have with me this evening
[25:04] Sandra Allen from Peninsula Behavioral Health and Sarah Nichols from the Swim Food Clinic.
[25:09] And I think also on virtually we also have other members of our team from a healthy family called County
[25:18] Olympic Community Action Programs, Olympic Peninsula Community Clinic and also United Play.
[25:25] So, inside your package, you do have a video presentation of our half-year update.
[25:32] But as the Scrim Health and Housing Collaborative continues to move through our fourth year of work, the mission and focus remains the same.
[25:39] To promote community health and pathways to housing with a synergistic and unified approach.
[25:45] This means continuing to reach out to those individuals and families who may be facing challenges related to homelessness, housing, food insecurity, family safety, unmet mental health, and substance use means, and health care treatment.
[26:02] So we're here to answer any questions if you guys may have from the presentation that was in your packet.
[26:12] If
[26:15] you want to help us, great presentation. I enjoy the information. I'm grateful. I was part of the early beginnings as time got busy and code and move on regret having that ongoing engagement, but this is genuine me and as I've become very clear on the commitment.
[26:36] that you may be shown and those in the team
[26:39] who are grateful for the energy and time you give
[26:42] and that you certainly meet the needs
[26:44] that we have in our communities.
[26:46] Thank
[26:48] you.
[26:52] Councilor Anderson, did you have anything?
[26:56] I don't have any questions.
[26:58] I'm just extremely grateful for all the work that they do.
[27:02] I was going to mention it later in the meeting,
[27:05] but now might be a good time.
[27:07] I'm part of a growing community
[27:10] where our rent keeps going up and our income is staying the same and so within the next
[27:17] year or two, my family and I might be at risk of being homeless and so I'm trying to come
[27:33] to terms with that and trying to find other options and I just really appreciate the
[27:38] work that the SCWM Health and Housing Collaborative does for families like mine. So thank you.
[27:46] Thank you.
[27:48] Thank you.
[27:49] Thank you Councilor Anderson.
[27:51] Thank you.
[27:52] So as I know the council is aware and most of our residents, but this collaborative
[27:57] was presented to the ICMA which is the International City County Management Association. It's
[28:04] a very well known as kind of the industry standard for city management. And they
[28:09] they had put out a call for creative programs
[28:12] and things like this.
[28:14] And so last October,
[28:16] Theresa was able to go to the annual meeting,
[28:19] which was important and received this award.
[28:22] They had some things wrong with it.
[28:24] We just took a while to get it back from them.
[28:27] So you've seen it before,
[28:29] but we will be hanging this up in our display cabinet
[28:33] out here,
[28:34] but it's a program excellence award for community partnerships and you all are the reason we've
[28:41] received this.
[28:42] So we thank the council for supporting it, we thank the previous administration for working
[28:48] with such great organizations as yours and we'll probably display this.
[28:53] So, thank you.
[28:55] I just want to echo what manager Hewis said that even though that says it is a swim
[28:59] It's really the individual within your guys' organization that has boots on the ground and it's really the people to thank for receiving this award. So thank you again.
[29:10] Thank you very much. Thank you.
[29:19] Item number seven, the consent agenda.
[29:21] We'll see if we can read the consent agenda.
[29:28] 7.2 point vouchers totaling $840,669.
[29:34] dollars and 69 cents. Minutes of the regular city council meeting May 23rd, 2022. Request
[29:44] for public funds, the swim school district cares closet. Call for public hearing ordinance
[29:50] about being 20 22 cross connection manual and amending swim municipal code chapter
[29:57] They're 13.1, 2, 0.
[30:00] And the city manager employment agreement amendment.
[30:07] Senator Kayne, motion accept the consent agenda.
[30:12] I'm moving to accept the consent agenda as read.
[30:17] I'll second it.
[30:18] The motion is seconded. Is there any opposition?
[30:23] I see none.
[30:24] The motion passes.
[30:30] Item number eight, general business.
[30:31] Item 8.1, stormwater management code and update,
[30:36] the swim municipal code chapter 13.104.
[30:40] And this will be the second reading.
[30:42] City Manager Fewish.
[30:47] Thank you.
[30:48] We have our deputy director of full force here
[30:53] to present that to you, Don, and set the podium.
[30:59] Good evening, council members.
[31:01] Good evening, council members.
[31:03] Don Steewar, city engineer.
[31:05] Good evening, board of worship director.
[31:07] You have before you the stormwater, new stormwater management code.
[31:12] This is a second touch and I'm here if you have any questions.
[31:22] Any questions you can counsel or staff?
[31:31] If you have some range of stuff, you can put your hand up so I remember that you're up there.
[31:42] Seeing none, there is an optional motion and a recommendation.
[31:49] You
[31:51] want to move this to a public hearing of the next regular schedule to the council meeting or move to adopt.
[32:07] The new stormwater guidelines.
[32:13] Motion is made.
[32:15] Is there a second?
[32:16] Good move and second.
[32:17] Is there any objection?
[32:25] Seeing none, the motion passes.
[32:27] So there were public hearings with the planning commission, right? And no one gave the comments.
[32:38] I watched the videos.
[32:40] I don't remember. I don't remember public comments coming in.
[32:44] Okay.
[32:46] I just want to make sure it gave time for the public to get comments, but they did during the planning commission.
[33:08] I'm sorry, just to note that we have to do a public hearing for that item. We can't move to adopt until we have the public hearing. So, okay.
[33:17] Sorry to interrupt.
[33:21] Do you wish to.
[33:23] I wish to retract.
[33:26] I wish to retract.
[33:27] my motion to adopt the stormwater ordinance.
[33:36] Would somebody please second?
[33:38] I second that.
[33:41] Any opposition to the motion to retract that motion?
[33:49] To amend the motion to retract passes
[33:52] and this will move to public hearing
[33:56] and that's where we'll schedule to also meeting.
[33:59] Apologies, Debbie Mayor.
[34:01] We've worked without our city attorney
[34:02] and our clerk tonight.
[34:03] So, some of your technicalities, but appreciate those standing in.
[34:07] Yeah.
[34:08] Thank you.
[34:11] Okay.
[34:12] 8.2 trespass warnings.
[34:14] The new moon, this whole city code chapter. This will be a second reading.
[34:19] And chief crane is prepared to do that.
[34:33] Evening everyone.
[34:34] Yeah. So you had asked that we make some adjustments based on comments.
[34:37] We heard at the last council meeting.
[34:40] So I guess for the record that she said, and I'm sure you're crying.
[34:43] So, this is the trespass warnings this is the ordinance that talks about actual city operations right how would we deal with something, somebody disrupting city operations so it's a very limited ordinance, internal looking really.
[34:58] Some of the concerns and questions were about any potential right focusing on people for kind of who they are and not what their behavior is.
[35:08] So I think we've provided a little bit of additional language that will kind of reiterate that no, there's nothing focused on classes, who they are, it's really we're looking at behavior that is kind of beyond the pale.
[35:25] So specifically glasses on because the font is small.
[35:30] Specifically, we added the reference to ADA page two. There's a couple of different areas where we put in ADA. And of course, ADA is a long behemoth of a thing that talks a lot about protections and what you can and cannot do.
[35:47] So I think that'll cover that end of it. And then we also added.
[36:01] Oh, so the bottom of page two under no circumstances made this chapter be used as a method for excluding any particular group or person engaged in otherwise lawful behavior, including without limitation, homeless individuals, juveniles will just solicitors just for examples.
[36:18] So I leave it to you folks now to tell me whether or not those additional changes are sufficient.
[36:25] And then after that, it's really up to you as to how you want to move forward.
[36:30] The recommendations have a couple of different options. This is second touch.
[36:35] We could ask for a public hearing. If you wanted a public hearing, it doesn't require one.
[36:40] And then obviously if you are satisfied with the changes and we're ready to move forward, you also have the option of voting to move it forward.
[36:49] And I'm here for any questions and to take any comments you might have.
[36:57] Absolutely.
[36:58] Thank you. Those addressed my concerns.
[37:01] Councilor Rafton is not here, but I think the rest of the same.
[37:06] Okay.
[37:14] There's no further council comment. I'm ready to make a motion.
[37:18] I move to waive council rules and approve the ordinance adopting the new squid municipal
[37:22] code chapter 9.45 trust that's warning for public seat.
[37:28] I second it motion has been made and seconded there's a additional council discussion.
[37:37] If you have one question, do you think that council or Rathbun would have wanted a public
[37:43] of caring, based on his last comments of this item.
[38:00] So, the motions on the table, is there any objections?
[38:08] Seeing none, the motion passes.
[38:17] I make
[38:26] 0.3 public private street policy discussion.
[38:31] This will be presented by our Public Works Director,
[38:34] Sarah Van Osten.
[38:36] Well, good evening, Council.
[38:37] Hope everyone's doing well this evening.
[38:41] Tonight staff is bringing forward a topic that's been touched on several times in the
[38:47] past and that's the issue of public and private streets.
[38:52] Several months ago a council member formulated several questions specifically to staff regarding
[38:58] this issue and the presentation that you saw in your agenda packet this last week was
[39:04] specifically directed at answering those questions and also providing some additional
[39:09] information that hopefully will be helpful to you in trying to decide how to move forward with this process.
[39:18] Your agenda cover actually summarizes sort of the four issues, and I'll just briefly retouch on them.
[39:26] Number one, currently HOAs are requesting that the city take ownership of private streets in their neighborhoods.
[39:32] Number two, there is no current policy for adopting private streets.
[39:37] streets. Third, some existing private streets are being used by the general public for connectivity.
[39:44] And fourth, the city's current code, which requires new streets to be public, creates
[39:50] both road islands and public maintenance costs for no benefit to the general public. Before
[39:57] I go any further on this, I wanted to let you know that I received a call from a citizen
[40:03] and who was a member of an HOA this afternoon, and he wanted to give his input that the presentation
[40:10] he viewed it didn't really address the homeowner's perspective of the situation.
[40:16] So I assured him that I'd be happy to share his insights with you this evening.
[40:21] And he said that currently it's not really a great situation if homeowners are to take
[40:27] care of private streets. They're not the ones that know how to do it. HOAs are typically not
[40:33] prepared and don't have the knowledge to do that. He said the city actually knows the most
[40:39] and has the equipment and the knowledge of how to maintain the streets. And he just felt like
[40:44] it was important to say that some sort of cooperative effort between the city and the HOAs
[40:51] he thought would be the best possible solution. So I assured him that I would share that
[40:55] information with you this evening.
[40:59] So basically it kind of boils down to what
[41:06] staff believes is two distinct issues but maybe council can identify more and
[41:11] that is one does council want to reconsider requiring public streets
[41:16] in all our new developments that actually serve no public benefit or
[41:21] council find with that citywide policy. And then secondly, does council want to adopt a policy for
[41:28] accepting current private streets? And if so, what would be the criteria for doing so?
[41:34] So we've sort of given you all the information we could compile around the issue and staff. It's
[41:40] just here to listen to council and ask for direction and input, how you might want to
[41:47] proceed or not proceed with this issue if you're interested in open council
[41:53] discussion, if you need more input or facts from staff, public outreach, if you
[42:00] have specific proposals, we're here to listen to that. And I just wanted to
[42:05] add to the public works is bringing this forward but it's not just a public
[42:08] works issue. Obviously DCD is heavily involved with this in terms of the
[42:13] comprehensive plan and compliance with that.
[42:16] It's a legal issue as you read and heard in the presentation.
[42:20] It's obviously a financial issue as well.
[42:23] And then obviously the police department get involved
[42:26] when you start adopting for private streets as public.
[42:30] So it's really a citywide issue and decision.
[42:35] With that, we're here to listen.
[42:39] Thank you for that email to council.
[42:44] Yeah, every time that you receive from that individual.
[42:47] It wasn't an email. It was a phone call.
[42:50] So, but I can write down those specific points that he made. If you'd like to forward it to council, please. Okay.
[42:58] Yeah.
[42:59] Yeah.
[43:02] I just wanted to ask.
[43:04] You gave me the standards for the streets when I asked for them.
[43:08] But the two years before that I could not get that information out of the city.
[43:12] And I think the first step would to be is give the age of ways, the standards for a public street.
[43:19] And then if they can meet those standards because I was told they can't do it because they don't know who built the street, what standard was it built to, etc, etc.
[43:30] If you could just the city could come up with those standards like you gave me or make it a process so that people that they want to apply for their street to become public or for the city to take it over.
[43:43] They would have to bring it up to those standards.
[43:45] And I also want to say when most people buy into an HOA, they know it's a private road.
[43:51] They're told that before escrow closes, and many HOAs have a street fund that people pay
[43:58] into for repairs to streets.
[44:02] But in the other hand, all those HOA people also pay city taxes to have streets repair.
[44:09] Thank you.
[44:15] Any comments from Council?
[44:17] Councilor Armstrong.
[44:18] Yeah, one year video presentation was inviting very informative for the gentleman in the from the HOA was he indicating his willingness to financially support the concept of the city taking over.
[44:34] He indicated concern that the HOA did not have funds available to bring the streets up to city standards or to make the necessary repairs.
[44:47] You know, the challenge on public streets have been an item since I started the council back in 18. I have a better understanding today than I did that, of course, the financial.
[45:00] Commitment from the city, the substantial. The benefit of time from what I'm understanding, even in the private developments, the standard of the construction, the bedding of the pipes, the process of our trained professionals observing the quality of actually what's being done before it's covered up has significantly improved.
[45:21] But then we have the potential of resort development, i.e. the Wayne property, that financially it's hard for the developer on that scale to bring it up to speed.
[45:33] So it's a real sticky wicket, if you will.
[45:38] I'm pro on to the new order of development if it's done properly and something will enhance the needs of our city.
[45:45] I think as we continue to grow, which is inevitable.
[45:48] We have to really be keen on the core infrastructure, our ability to provide clean water or ability to deal with waste is something that continues to be a concern that I have from a budget point of view.
[46:02] of how can we address those needs financially
[46:04] to continue to retain the quality
[46:07] that I'm proud to say Public Works has done an amazing job
[46:12] at keeping a step ahead of the problem.
[46:16] So doing a great job, the presentation,
[46:18] the numbers were pretty staggering,
[46:19] even though you have a pretty good idea,
[46:21] it's big dollars and cents.
[46:24] It's unfortunate, past, we can't change
[46:26] and we can learn from it.
[46:28] And I think moving forward,
[46:30] It's hard to put up in the box one size fits all. So we really need to look at that as an individual development and the extent of the benefits of the city as well as the liability.
[46:41] So, you appreciate all we do.
[46:44] I can assure you that going forward it will be different. It is different already.
[46:50] It's evident and it's appreciated. Thank you.
[46:56] I think one of the things I heard from, I've never lived in an HOA, I've always lived in town, was like, when we had snow, and I knew I could get up and my street would be swept clean as snow, that they couldn't get anybody into their developments to clean the streets
[47:19] up because they had the HOA had to go out and get somebody to do that. Is there a way that they
[47:26] can use, I'm not just throwing something out there, to use some of their street funds to pay the city
[47:32] for that service? Is that doesn't really provide pay to me though? All you have to do is sign a
[47:40] contract once a year with a snow removal. That's what my HOA does. And they come when you call them.
[47:47] I don't think when it snowed like it did that there was that.
[47:51] We have that kind of capacity.
[47:55] When we had snow.
[47:56] Yeah.
[48:00] Hopefully that's the only time we'll see that,
[48:02] but there probably is when it's a big event,
[48:05] there's, there's going to be issues and it's a struggle for the
[48:08] city to keep up with this as well.
[48:11] I don't, in terms of your question, I don't know if there's any sort
[48:15] of legal agreement that can be made or not. I get certainly inquired into that.
[48:23] Just an FYI, we have had the grace of our public works. Once they have taken care of their
[48:30] responsibility on the city's streets, they have actually gone in and helped clean.
[48:36] There's also work in hand with Fire District 3. When we have emergencies, we need to get to
[48:41] people. They've been there. What an amazing crew. And I also want to echo the comment
[48:47] that the councilor downer made as a business owner, having commercial clients, it's my
[48:54] responsibility if I'm collecting the rent. I should provide a cleaning parking lot for
[48:58] them to have their customers enjoy as well as the sidewalks. There are individuals out
[49:05] there. Now's a great time to plan ahead because we don't have that urgency. But
[49:09] if you can get the communication, especially if it's an HOA, to understand, yes, it
[49:14] It could happen again, it'd be rather convenient if you have a long retainer or an opportunity to have that potential service, we plan. So any event that it happens, you make the phone call before like the checkbook.
[49:29] Yeah,
[49:33] the comments counselor.
[49:38] I'm not sure I'm able to articulate all of the questions and comments I have it's such a complicated issue.
[49:47] I was thinking mostly about the, I don't know the names of subdivisions, but I know that there are subdivisions over by there's like a trailhead kind of out past I live at Elk Creek and so you know that it there's like a trailhead that connects to the ODT.
[50:05] And I think people drive through a couple subdivisions to be able to get there. And so, like that is a general public use street, but I don't know if that road is supposed to be private or not.
[50:20] And so it makes me wonder for if we did reconsider the private versus public thing, you know, what would the parameters be for saying who would have to become public streets and who wouldn't so.
[50:39] So there's, it's just so, it seems so complex and, and we always want to try to be equitable.
[50:51] And I really liked Vicki's idea of like HOA's being able to have a contract or something either either with the city or even like a private business that will snow plow.
[51:09] if HOA's would be able to pay for that, but that doesn't address the damage that can happen to streets, like if there's heatwaves and there's cracks in the street or if there are, if there's like flooding and freezing and that cracks the streets or makes a lot of potholes, you know, those HOA fees might not be able to cover that kind of maintenance.
[51:33] And so it makes me wonder what are people in HOAs supposed to do if their dues or their fees, whatever they're called, if they don't compensate for that kind of damage.
[51:48] And so it's complicated.
[51:54] And I wish I had a miracle answer.
[52:01] I feel like it's definitely one of those issues where I would also like to hear from like HOA boards or HOA members specifically and kind of hear their pros and cons to
[52:19] Because from a city, I mean, the financial impact could be, it could be a lot bigger for the city too, but if I don't know if we're able to like counteract that kind of expense somehow and so yeah, those are those are some of the thoughts going through my head.
[52:38] Councillor
[52:42] Anderson, any other comments from council?
[52:48] If there is no motion at this time,
[52:50] how are staff with like direction from council on how to proceed?
[52:58] I think Rachel's idea of getting more information from the people most impacted by HOA and the
[53:06] people out there. No, we've got Kathy or kind of our representative, the mole, but I don't know
[53:13] I don't know how we could best do that.
[53:17] Have staff bring it back in the future.
[53:21] Sometimes we'll save time to do some research.
[53:23] We could reach out to the various HOA and ask for their input on the issue.
[53:30] No.
[53:31] Council.
[53:33] No, but I really would like to see the city start working on a checkout.
[53:37] It's really two separate issues.
[53:39] What are the standards.
[53:40] for the streets to be considered the city street and what would the city do with people
[53:47] that say, we've brought our streets up to standards now when we take this down.
[53:51] So it's really two separate issues.
[53:53] I'd like to at least we need to start addressing it, even if we end up not doing anything
[54:00] about it.
[54:01] And let me remind everybody that people in the age of age today, just as much as everyone
[54:07] else.
[54:17] Cathy, you know, I technically on the subdivisions when the developers are developing those are building lesser roads cheaper and they're meant for that specific travel.
[54:29] They typically will not do the depth of base.
[54:33] Rock they'll do substantially less.
[54:37] So when you have a smaller street like that, that.
[54:41] that you want to bring up to a city standard, you would core it and get a cross-section
[54:45] of what's underneath it.
[54:47] So let's say a typical road would have six inches of ag base and then you'd have three
[54:51] or four inches of asphalt.
[54:53] So on a residential street that's private, the developer's saving money.
[54:58] He's going to put, say, three inches of ag base, if much, and say two to three
[55:04] inches of asphalt.
[55:05] So when you do your coring in a subdivision and you're asking the subdivision to bring it up to city standards, the only way that you would be able to do that would be to excavate the street and rebuild it, which would be a huge cost.
[55:18] But you don't I don't know every single private road house and bill.
[55:22] No, we don't but but the damage and that we see on the private roads, typically are built to a far less standard than the city standards.
[55:34] Well, the city still owns the water and sewer underneath and the very, and there are very
[55:40] powered on.
[55:41] So you do have the ability in the future to come in and work on those.
[55:46] It can't just be a core sample, you have to dig up the entire street.
[55:49] No, no, we do core, you would, they would hire core samples to be taken to evaluate
[55:55] the street, the cross section to see how it compares to a city standard.
[56:00] And I could virtually guarantee that they're not built to city standards and the only way to bring it up to city standards would be to increase the depth of base and asphalt so that could handle the heavier traffic that we would require on our city streets.
[56:16] I understand what you're saying. So next time the city comes and works on the water and sewer in front of my house you have my permission to take your car.
[56:26] And report back to comes. Thank you. I understand what you're saying. Okay. I just wanted to be clear on that. Thank you, John.
[56:41] Yeah.
[56:43] To help out Rachel she she actually made a really good point.
[56:50] I was going to say that she's right on.
[56:53] Rachel had a good point and as far as we're getting back,
[56:56] I'll just do with a weird.
[56:59] I wanted to just emphasize too that our current city standards do
[57:04] require private streets to be built to city standards now.
[57:08] And we do inspect that actual construction and installation.
[57:13] Now.
[57:13] So it's the past that we're talking about.
[57:20] I have one more comment.
[57:23] If we had decided to start acquiring private streets to become public streets.
[57:32] Would there be any way we could say we'll acquire your private street as a public street, once it needs to be repaved or something because it seems like the.
[57:47] It would still be expensive to totally redo the street, right?
[57:52] But I think it would be less expensive to do that once the street kind of hit its, you know, end of life, end of life point.
[58:02] I hope I'm making sense.
[58:06] So that was it. That was just my comment.
[58:09] Well, that's the direction we're looking for is what do you want to concentrate on there. There is several issues outlined here and
[58:17] One of those is what Rachel actually alluded to was that there are some private streets being used for public connectivity, the one you're talking about between Key or Laugh Green Road.
[58:27] That's a private street. Public uses it to get back and forth all the time. So that's a criteria.
[58:33] Maybe it is that they bring it up to city standards.
[58:37] There's any number of possibilities, but we can start with one issue. We can start with three issues.
[58:42] We were just here to see what council would like us to proceed with.
[58:48] I'm going to try this. Do we want to go counsel by counselor and have.
[58:53] We would like them to bring back every point.
[59:04] Like, like, like take like a consensus is that.
[59:08] If you have something specific that you wanted to us out where they have a list of what.
[59:14] Okay. Yeah, I'm, I'm open to that.
[59:21] Sorry.
[59:23] I really like this idea about seeing if any of the current streets meet standards,
[59:30] you know, we probably don't according to dawn, but at least starting there.
[59:34] And then I do want to really hear from the HRAs and the homeowners about what they think they could do to.
[59:42] to make it work.
[59:46] That's about it.
[59:47] That's about it.
[59:51] That's where I'm from.
[59:53] I just want to echo what
[59:55] Dawn shared with us.
[59:57] Current private street developments
[59:58] fortunately have been
[59:59] .
[1:00:00] Observe a certain standard met in the construction to retrofit is where the cost becomes critical. It's to physically excavate and do it over.
[1:00:12] It's more expensive than if they did it properly first time. So that, I think, has to be handled on an individual case by case basis, again, based upon the needs of the people and the city.
[1:00:24] We are trying to meet the needs of all the citizens, not just certain groups.
[1:00:30] One of the realities when you choose to purchase this cap, the downer alluded.
[1:00:36] You're very clearly aware when you purchase into an HOA, the responsibility that you assume as a homeowner and part of that organization to be responsible for those maintenance of your streets.
[1:00:48] So it's part of the hard pill to swallow,
[1:00:52] beautiful when it starts out or when there's problems.
[1:00:55] If you haven't put away for that rainy day front
[1:00:57] of your roof is leaking, you have issues.
[1:01:00] So there's only so much our shoulders as a city
[1:01:04] can handle that burden.
[1:01:09] Councillor Anderson.
[1:01:12] I would really like to hear from the HOAs
[1:01:16] and hopefully we can,
[1:01:19] And I can get a better idea of how our decisions would impact them.
[1:01:28] And that being said, I would hope that they would also be able to reach out to everyone
[1:01:36] in their HOA and not just kind of make executive decisions about it, but I know that I can't
[1:01:44] be the authority on that.
[1:01:45] So, yeah, I would just really like to hear from HOA's
[1:01:53] to have enough direction.
[1:01:55] We have a lot.
[1:01:58] Well, thank you for your time wasn't sure how that would go, but I really appreciate your input and we will come back to you with some additional information.
[1:02:15] Moving on to item number nine reports.
[1:02:18] 9.2 City Manager. Thank you very much, Council. We'll start with number 9.28, which is home
[1:02:28] chairing, and Therese will address that. She's our, of course, our assistant city manager.
[1:02:34] It's been tasked with the Council's request to do some research on the home chairing article
[1:02:43] that was shared with city staff, so she's prepared for that, and that's a key other report that happened as well.
[1:02:50] Thank you. Yes, Trace DeShane is the city manager for the record, and for the last few weeks since the last meeting,
[1:02:58] Council has directed us to take a look at home sharing and come back with a generalized report.
[1:03:04] And so I looked at the UW report, listened to many podcasts, reached out to about 25 different agencies and more and provided you with a three-page summary of what I've found just kind of to give you an overview of what home sharing is.
[1:03:22] And really, you know, there's anything from when you consider the basic tenets of home sharing is really someone is you're sharing a home, right?
[1:03:32] So, and then you can go even deeper from there.
[1:03:35] So, for instance, I talked with a company named Silver Nest.
[1:03:39] They're an agency that is nationally known and they provide it, they provide a service that's similar to like dating service, but for like, you know, home sharing.
[1:03:50] And that is a four, it's a market driven kind of product that is out there that anybody
[1:03:59] could use right now if we had people that were home providers or home share that someone
[1:04:04] who was a home seeker, excuse me, looking for a place to live.
[1:04:09] And so yeah, please check that out.
[1:04:12] That's an option.
[1:04:13] They have also – I've talked a little bit about – so that's the basic, like, market-driven.
[1:04:20] Homesharing is an issue that you can do, like, on a market issue – or market stance.
[1:04:26] Excuse me.
[1:04:27] And then I dove a little deeper and looked at things like, okay, there's the market-driven
[1:04:32] homeshare product, but there's also agencies that look at providing that service as well.
[1:04:39] So in the report, I outlined, you know, the for-profit market and then also the non-profit sector
[1:04:47] and also working with local governments. So in one case that I looked at, Silvernest partnered
[1:04:53] with an agency called HIP, it's in Montgomery County, Maryland. And Maryland had halls and
[1:05:01] services through their county, but they didn't have the program aspect of what the Silvernest
[1:05:07] So SilverNest would come in, they outlined, you know, they connect you, you're doing like your profile. They help do background checks on anyone that's using their system.
[1:05:20] They help set up that basic agreement between individuals. So the difference that maybe home sharing could be, it doesn't have to be, but it can be a simple rent agreement.
[1:05:32] It also could be if one of the, you know, the seekers that was coming along and they
[1:05:37] couldn't pay as much, but the provider was looking for someone to help in their house
[1:05:40] or do chores or, you know, transportation needs, things like that, they could build
[1:05:45] that into their agreement so they help you like manage and actually work out an agreement
[1:05:50] and they also help with the insurance portion of it and they can help mediate as well.
[1:05:55] They're all trained.
[1:05:55] So some of these agencies that are partnering with groups like Silvernest have the
[1:06:00] wraparound services, they do that part of it. They also do the, you know, IT part
[1:06:07] of it and security checks and all that. And then that group is able to do what
[1:06:12] they do with their public agency or their nonprofit group. So that's what
[1:06:18] example and other examples I've checked out around Washington State, you know,
[1:06:23] like the Associated Ministries Program out of Tacoma, they started in 1991 as
[1:06:29] a different name, but they merged since then, started with a Christian organization noticing that
[1:06:36] there were some elderly people in their church that wanted to, they didn't have housing and so
[1:06:41] they connected, you know, members of their church and then they started an organization from there.
[1:06:48] So they provide, one of their offerings was strictly for they were trying to connect
[1:06:54] senior citizens that are looking for that particular, you know, service, the home seeker
[1:07:04] would be looking for a reduced rent or, you know, a companion. The home provider was looking for
[1:07:10] someone to maybe help provide a little more income, maybe companionship or help around the house.
[1:07:16] So that's one model and they also provide like teen services as well. So I outlined in this
[1:07:21] report a little bit of like you know the amount of lift that you as a city
[1:07:27] organization would take forward so like basic hey there's home sharing in our
[1:07:32] community because silver nest is here something that you don't have to get
[1:07:35] involved in you could you could help market that to okay maybe the city is
[1:07:40] interested in providing some wraparound services and helping a senior
[1:07:44] program get started in the community or something like that perhaps you
[1:07:48] would consider partnering with social services agencies that we have in the
[1:07:52] community or even if you wanted to go like further than that and you know look
[1:07:58] at teen teen homeless issues in the community you probably would start with
[1:08:04] talking with their McKinney-Vento at the school and talking to the
[1:08:08] representatives that have provided or can provide those services. One of the
[1:08:12] agencies I talked to that does work with Silver Nest is the Olympic Peninsula area on aging that
[1:08:20] serves Pacific County, Grace Harbor County, Jefferson County, and Clowham County. And they're
[1:08:26] currently working out an agreement with Silver Nest to provide services for their focusing on
[1:08:32] the aging. So one of the members, well, if the provider, the provider has to be a senior
[1:08:39] citizen over 60, and the seeker can be 18 or over, but they're working on that program and
[1:08:47] intend to launch that in July of this year. So that's something that's actually in our area right
[1:08:52] now. But it's definitely the report that I outlined, and I know I did touch base briefly on
[1:09:00] short-term rentals and Airbnb, and I only mentioned that because there are
[1:09:06] are interested in renting out rooms with Airbnb and there are people that do short-term rental
[1:09:12] of a room in their home and that is like considered home sharing whereas Airbnb renting out their
[1:09:20] entire house for that use would not be considered home sharing the way that I've read about
[1:09:25] it in the articles and different guides and things like that that I've reviewed.
[1:09:31] But I'll just turn it over to you for questions.
[1:09:36] I did provide you a, an outline and I have like told you I talked about 25 different agencies and I'm waiting for some responses.
[1:09:45] This is what we have to date and I'll continue doing that work for you to let you know what others are doing.
[1:09:51] But asked questions like, you know, how was your program funded? Who does your program serve? How was your program started?
[1:09:59] What's the annual budget, the average amount your agency is spending per month, the number
[1:10:05] of people housed per year, the number of clients served, what partnerships exist, data or metrics
[1:10:12] collected and how often, and then lessons learned.
[1:10:17] So those are some of the items that we've overviewed.
[1:10:21] I did want to let you know that I have talked to local governments in, down in Olympia and
[1:10:29] Lacy, Dirston County in that area, the city of Tomwater, that have provided draft agreements
[1:10:38] that they have with their, the, I'm sorry, the third one now, the senior services for
[1:10:46] South Sound. So if you need an example of remits or anything to look at, reached out to, you know, similar city government agencies as well.
[1:10:54] So I think I've talked too much for my presentation. I'm here for questions.
[1:10:59] Are you going to put this information like these, what you gave us really available on the website for those that might have issues or concerns. Absolutely.
[1:11:10] Questions from council.
[1:11:13] Thank you. I appreciate the new information. You've got a lot more information than I did.
[1:11:20] Thank you.
[1:11:25] You know, unfortunately, I got this late just after finishing work, so I haven't had a chance to go through it. A couple items that are
[1:11:33] many cities that are even remotely similar in size to what we are in the swim that you were able to get their data from.
[1:11:40] I know that they're providing services in like Mason County, and so the safe shelter is like a partner agency. So I'm seeing more of four cities of our size or even cities of larger sizes.
[1:11:55] Like I mentioned that other agreement like Lacey Tom water, the city of Olympia and the county are going together. And to me, like in my research, I think it makes more sense to like if I'm giving you my opinion on this.
[1:12:07] It makes more sense to go about it because with those other cities in mind, if you were
[1:12:14] going that direction, especially if you were using a program of silverness, because you're
[1:12:19] creating a platform for collecting that information and you're able to reach out to people that
[1:12:25] are not just in your community, you can reach beyond into the county, into the other cities.
[1:12:30] So that might be one thing to consider.
[1:12:32] But yeah, you know what the areas that jumped out off the page, market driven and poor profit.
[1:12:41] Now, I'm a capitalist, I'm all about that.
[1:12:44] But the balance, who shall lose the cost?
[1:12:48] There's been a reference of $1,000, $2,000, and then most importantly, the liability.
[1:12:54] So I'll answer the first question.
[1:12:56] And so if you were doing just the simple silver nest is in your area in the city is not involved
[1:13:03] and you're just a private person searching for a roommate, then you pay, I believe it's
[1:13:10] like $29.99 as the seeker.
[1:13:13] And then the home provider would pay like $49.99 for a 60-day period where they would be actively
[1:13:20] searching for someone to live in their house.
[1:13:23] And that's time starts when they start searching.
[1:13:25] So they could pay it now and then if they can start searching for like 30 days or more,
[1:13:30] that is when the clock would tick start ticking. And the liability that goes along with that is
[1:13:38] so there's an insurance writer that the like if it's silverness they work with the two to make
[1:13:45] sure that their agreement is that they both agree on the agreement. And then they also have
[1:13:49] insurance that goes over the top that homeowners insurance for that renter. For
[1:13:54] Or other agencies, I would say that that's probably part of what you're looking at,
[1:13:59] like when you're working for a nonprofit, and you're not including, like, silver nest
[1:14:04] in that.
[1:14:05] That's something you would need to look at is, you know, how would you mediate?
[1:14:13] How would you write that agreement to make sure that if the one party is not happy
[1:14:18] with the situation, then you can leave that agreement, things like that.
[1:14:22] But they have looked at that so I'm sure we can get examples of like if you were choosing not to go with the the company silver nest or something like that that we could find that answer by asking others for what they've done and learning a little bit more about that too.
[1:14:38] And then was your third question.
[1:14:40] The third was and it was brought up in public comment.
[1:14:45] What if it doesn't work out? And how do we get them out? I know personally, in the guise of COVID, I had one tenant that, because she didn't have to be right, chose not to apply.
[1:15:00] The Heifer Cares Act received funds three months after they were applied.
[1:15:04] Then the early eviction, it came in three and a half months later.
[1:15:07] For those that are not in a position to either not have a mortgage or pay the mortgage fees,
[1:15:12] there's a reason we have these investment properties.
[1:15:15] They're not holding the wall. The challenge that I'm always concerned with is the liability.
[1:15:21] We live in a community which is predominantly, it's changing, but our average age is 58 years old,
[1:15:26] many of us were retired. My moral compass that I was raised with, we take care of the
[1:15:33] widow and the children. And in my public engagement, the amount of elder abuse in our little town
[1:15:41] is astounding. And it comes on many, many different levels from internet, communication,
[1:15:47] relationships, etc. To caregivers, to family members, etc. That's my biggest concern. I believe
[1:15:54] the selected officials, it's part of the responsibility to look at the most vulnerable, and how can
[1:15:59] we be open to addressing the need, we all agree we have an issue with illness, and physical rent on
[1:16:07] the space to put a roof over your head. But I feel we really have to be moving very cautiously
[1:16:15] at looking at alternatives that are not going to put those very vulnerable individuals at risk.
[1:16:21] Yeah, I talked to a few different agencies. One of them, I mentioned earlier, was the,
[1:16:30] like Brandon mentioned, we'll put this information out for you all so you can see. But the senior
[1:16:36] services for South Sound, I talked to two of their case providers, and they don't use
[1:16:42] silverness. They do this through, they provide a case management, they work through the
[1:16:48] senior center that they provide senior services with and so that's another whom
[1:16:52] sharing is another element that they provide and so even talking with
[1:16:58] wilderness but with these groups with these people specifically I've heard
[1:17:03] a number of times that it isn't you don't want to fastly match someone you
[1:17:09] take time to build they build their profile you learn who they are you
[1:17:14] meet with them and you talk to them and this is if you're providing that
[1:17:18] extra element of a social services wrap around for, you know, for seniors or
[1:17:23] something like that. But you take the time to build that and understand that
[1:17:29] relationship and you're the provider or if you're the case manager so that you
[1:17:34] understand when you're connecting people that you're hoping that you're
[1:17:36] getting a better match. And when I talked to Silver and as they said that
[1:17:42] they do spend quite a few hours meeting with them as well because they
[1:17:46] don't want that to happen. I would think that you would get, you know, if you're doing that
[1:17:51] individually and you're meeting with people, of course, the service that's provided in Lacey
[1:17:58] and Tomwater in that area is a little bit more wraparound. And I believe the program,
[1:18:05] it's currently being developed with the Olympic area, or I'm sorry, the Olympic area on aging.
[1:18:11] They're looking at what that looks like for them too. So they were talking about,
[1:18:15] You know, for that first year for the four counties, they want 20 providers and like 100 and some seekers, you know, just to make sure that they're getting it right.
[1:18:27] So they want to slow move into that realm. And they're talking about a pilot program to do so. And then when you're talking about, you know, the agreements, I can't say what they would do.
[1:18:40] COVID, you know, it's a pandemic in a different situation and we have a lot of different rules
[1:18:45] at that point in time. But if you're writing that into the agreement too, I think that that's
[1:18:50] something that they should take in mind. And yeah, I can't make you feel confident about that part
[1:18:55] of it because I'm not an attorney and I don't know exactly the law on that part too, but I could
[1:19:00] do a little more research. One of the podcasts I was listening to was, there was a gentleman
[1:19:06] one that asked a question in the Q and A with silverness,
[1:19:09] as they were talking about, that issue of COVID and the rent.
[1:19:15] And can you kick someone out of your house?
[1:19:18] And at that point, what their answer was
[1:19:20] is that they had to work through it,
[1:19:21] and it didn't sound like that particular moment was
[1:19:24] a really easy one to work through that issue.
[1:19:29] Thank you.
[1:19:29] You're welcome.
[1:19:33] Thank you.
[1:19:33] Sure.
[1:19:34] That's really helpful.
[1:19:35] And I just want to remind you,
[1:19:36] because I heard some misunderstanding in the public comments that the goal of this is really
[1:19:42] to stop more homelessness from happening. So we're trying to get upstream the people who are at risk
[1:19:48] of losing their home. So, you know, I know we talked about other views that we're talking about
[1:19:54] women whose husbands pass away and they'll have social security to social security checks
[1:19:59] coming in and maybe they can't make their tax payments and, you know, those kind of people
[1:20:04] What is silver and what do you put hell in my mind?
[1:20:08] Oh, that was, that was funny.
[1:20:10] And, you know, silver and us being,
[1:20:12] I know I keep talking about them,
[1:20:13] but they're a big company and they've been providing
[1:20:14] the service when I was talking with a representative.
[1:20:18] The median or the average person that they're serving
[1:20:22] is a 67 year old woman.
[1:20:24] And a lot of women, they said that, you know,
[1:20:27] maybe they've lost a spouse or they're single
[1:20:30] and they're looking for someone to run out of room
[1:20:33] have a roommate, things like that. And so that was interesting data to hear. But I can provide
[1:20:42] some more information from them too if you'd like. She provided a PowerPoint presentation to me
[1:20:48] and kind of went through it. And I can share some of that information if you're interested in
[1:20:51] learning more about that too. But again, Olympia area, I'm sorry, Olympic area on aging, if I'd
[1:20:58] said that correctly. They are piloting with Silverness, so we might be able to even talk
[1:21:03] with them more and more about their progress. The Olympic Area Agents and Agents. That's it.
[1:21:10] I'm really interested in learning more about what they're doing. You know, they're here local already
[1:21:15] and I don't know, maybe the screen, helping housing, collaborativeness and working with them.
[1:21:22] But they want to hear. See you in a moment.
[1:21:27] Do you want Andrew to speak to that or
[1:21:39] I just
[1:21:45] want to make sure that we talked about this is the third time we talked about this
[1:21:51] on council.
[1:21:52] I'm not sure where these ideas are coming from that the city is going to buy property
[1:21:55] for homeless people.
[1:21:57] We've never even discussed it.
[1:21:59] The home sharing is not for addicts or homeless people.
[1:22:03] It is for people that have been screened, both the person providing the home and
[1:22:08] person that needs a room to be screened first. The city would not have any liability. We're just
[1:22:14] interested in getting somebody to offer this in our area. Thank you. And you can, I mean, for like
[1:22:24] youth homeless services like the McKinney-Vento programs and things like that, like the program
[1:22:29] in Mason County program in Seattle and program in the Lacy area to help with homeless youth
[1:22:37] or youth at risk of being homeless. So the couch surfers that we have in our community,
[1:22:44] the kids that you're not really sure where they're sleeping, there are programs that are out there
[1:22:49] that do provide that wraparound service and I mentioned associated ministries at the beginning
[1:22:53] and they have a program that started in 2013. The counties and other agencies approached
[1:23:00] them because they had you've been doing the adult home sharing for so long and they
[1:23:04] I mean, they have like a $250,000 budget and they have a number of agencies providing, you know, sort of, you know, funding, so some funding, some donations, some brands that they're writing.
[1:23:16] And then the home provider gets a stipend every month of like $550 somewhere in there for helping provide that service. So there are those kinds of services do go deeper.
[1:23:27] And it's a little bit more of, you know, you probably want more agencies involved if you
[1:23:33] were doing something like that to make sure that you're providing that record on service
[1:23:37] correctly.
[1:23:41] I think the DCYF and the CPS or the Associated Ministries and the homeless people.
[1:23:51] So Associated Ministries in Tacoma, they have about 25 or 30 partner agencies that
[1:23:59] mentioned, so I don't know all of them they could be. I guess that they're working with the
[1:24:06] DCYS and the state and also probably the school district there, I can confirm,
[1:24:14] I just need to look at them, you know, look them up again and ask them some more questions about
[1:24:19] it. But yeah, they said that they are, they were never really well within the city of Tacoma
[1:24:27] and all of the social services agencies that they have there, especially in 1991, which is that early year to know it.
[1:24:36] So.
[1:24:40] You have any comments, Councillor Anderson?
[1:24:43] I do. Thank you so much. So let's try and remember all of them.
[1:24:50] Okay, so one, I'll call it the meanwhile easy plan could be the silver nest, because anybody
[1:25:02] can participate in that.
[1:25:04] And I would also hope that we could reach out to, you know, Clalem County, maybe even
[1:25:11] Jefferson County and like Port Townsend and Chimacum, I'd want to reach out to all
[1:25:16] all the way out to forks PA and just reach out and let everybody know that they can participate in that.
[1:25:25] So that was my first comment.
[1:25:27] My second comment was that
[1:25:31] If we decided to do some sort of nonprofit program or partner for like some kind of nonprofit program, I would really hope that we could partner with like the senior center or partner with a DSHS or DCYF or maybe even the library.
[1:25:57] Like if somebody goes to the library and needs some kind of service or anything like that, you know, in a perfect world, we could all work together and find a match for everybody.
[1:26:07] But I do know that all staff everywhere is stretched very thin.
[1:26:14] So I guess it's just kind of an overarching comment. And then if we ended up doing like a youth home sharing program.
[1:26:26] I assume that the programs, I didn't get a chance to read too much about the report that you had printed out for us, Rhys, but I would assume that there is some kind of like certifiable kind of like if you're a foster parent, right, you need to be certified to do that.
[1:26:41] And so I would hope that the youth home sharing would have an equivalent, at least, to be able to participate in that.
[1:26:51] And
[1:26:54] I think, I think those are all my comments for now. I really appreciate all of the research. I was really excited to see all of the information that you could find. And I think it was such a great idea to reach out to other agencies and see, especially lessons learned.
[1:27:12] I think is really one of the most important parts.
[1:27:15] Just because, you know, we can learn from everybody's mistakes or if they can do it over how can we do it differently.
[1:27:23] And I'm really interested in the silver nest idea.
[1:27:27] Oh, I'm sorry.
[1:27:28] I didn't comment.
[1:27:30] I would say that when, as like a general overview,
[1:27:34] when I was reading through it,
[1:27:35] I kind of saw silver nest as like a kind of like mid
[1:27:41] to like, I don't know, mid management type income
[1:27:46] or like relatively teacher income or nursing income,
[1:27:51] those kinds of incomes would maybe use silver nest,
[1:27:55] but for people on a fixed income or are extremely low income, then a non-profit route may work a
[1:28:05] little bit, might be more financially stable for them. But at the same time, the price for the
[1:28:13] silver nest seemed pretty affordable if you're looking for a roommate. And yeah, yeah, that's
[1:28:22] All my comments. Thank you. Thank you.
[1:28:24] I responded to that a little bit. So they were giving you kind of a median price point of what they were doing there. And then I mentioned that there were for profit, but I do recall she mentioned that they're playing for like a socially conscious.
[1:28:39] designation for, I guess, the core or something like that, but it's a socially conscious effort.
[1:28:47] And then most recently, Solverness has been working with AmeriCorps to place AmeriCorps
[1:28:56] in Washington state.
[1:28:58] So there's a program going on right now that you can look up for them.
[1:29:03] They also work with the state of Oregon and their housing program.
[1:29:06] and I can't remember the name of it right now,
[1:29:09] but that's another agency.
[1:29:11] So they are a little bit more socially conscious
[1:29:14] than I had mentioned before.
[1:29:15] So I think you're probably spot on
[1:29:21] if there are more wraparound services needed,
[1:29:24] but I think you could also work through them
[1:29:26] because you're providing,
[1:29:28] when you're looking at an agreement
[1:29:29] and you're trying to set up an agreement,
[1:29:32] then you wanna take into account
[1:29:34] that you could help provide some type of chore or service and reduced rent. There's a she had mentioned
[1:29:42] that they do try to work with the provider and the seeker to provide a rent that will work for
[1:29:51] individuals. And so yeah, I'll stop it. Thank you. And I was interested in
[1:30:00] They also have connections and they can help people set up for home and community services,
[1:30:07] for volunteer support services, they have shield of volunteers, they can help them with Medicare,
[1:30:12] and so it's a great connection for others who are struggling to also seek other services
[1:30:18] that are available.
[1:30:22] I will ask more questions about other programs, but yeah, I think that's
[1:30:26] just, I think they were looking at some more programs to that hit the program in the
[1:30:32] Uh, yeah. Yes, I agree. Look at that.
[1:30:38] Any other questions, comments from council.
[1:30:42] Okay, one comment.
[1:30:44] It would, in reality, it'd be much nicer to.
[1:30:48] To get a nonprofit to do this is that it would go.
[1:30:56] And so, um,
[1:31:01] looking at Silverness, like I said, they're socially conscious and they work with the nonprofit agencies. So, like, if you.
[1:31:09] One way you could do that is to let the nonprofit agencies know that you are looking for a home
[1:31:16] share program, and then they could figure out the way that they wanted to provide it, similar
[1:31:21] to SHHC.
[1:31:23] Like we told them what we needed, and they came up with the way that they were going
[1:31:26] to do that.
[1:31:28] So, one way that that nonprofit agency might go about that is to partner and whistle
[1:31:32] and us to provide the services that are harder to put together, like the intake, the tracking,
[1:31:40] the data, all that stuff would be taken care of if they work with them, or, again, you can
[1:31:47] recreate that if you want, but it's another option. So they were working directly with
[1:31:53] that nonprofit, not the city government. So does that make sense?
[1:32:00] Do
[1:32:04] you need more guidance from Council on moving forward?
[1:32:07] Yes, please.
[1:32:11] Comments on that? Council?
[1:32:16] Staff, continue research.
[1:32:20] I'm interested in hearing more from the Olympic Area Agents 0 and 18, and I don't know if this has been collaborative.
[1:32:28] I want to chime in too, and it's an organization we help fund.
[1:32:34] And I could look at a lot more of the local agencies and what they provide.
[1:32:40] I talked to Marin Packer over at the school district and I've talked to, or I'm a call in to some others in the community to provide the social services thing that they work with SHHC too.
[1:32:53] So I'll be happy to do that.
[1:32:56] Okay.
[1:32:58] Sure. Yeah, and bring that back like once I talk to the local agencies and let you know what they say.
[1:33:03] Is there anything else you want me to follow up on from all of them?
[1:33:08] If you have questions, like, you know, after taking a look at that in more detail again, we'll put it up on the website so people can see that.
[1:33:16] And then if you have more questions, or if I get more information from those other agencies that I've been waiting to hear from, we'll continue to share that and update that stack of that spreadsheet and put it up on the website.
[1:33:27] So everyone here can see the research too. And yeah, we'll go from there.
[1:33:35] Thank you. Thanks.
[1:33:40] Thank you.
[1:33:42] We have a few items here tonight on your city manager. So I apologize.
[1:33:46] Guys, this item was asked for as well by Council for,
[1:33:51] so we have to articulate in a clearer fashion
[1:33:57] how we're trying to move from point A to point B
[1:34:00] relative to moving from single family only
[1:34:04] to multi-flex here.
[1:34:06] Some of that comments most every time with me
[1:34:10] in the comments section.
[1:34:12] And so I just don't,
[1:34:13] We wanted to articulate the process of tasks and timelines to get there,
[1:34:19] and tonight our Director of Community Development Department will present that.
[1:34:28] Council members, State Lochnecht Community Development Director.
[1:34:35] In April, the council adopted a conference of plan amendment which opened the door for
[1:34:40] or duplex, triplex, quadruplex,
[1:34:45] oh, no, I'm sorry.
[1:34:47] Okay, well, we've heard the introduction.
[1:34:51] So I put a timeline together.
[1:34:54] I said, I would suggest that the last council meeting
[1:34:57] and here it is.
[1:34:59] I did add something in though, an optional suggestion
[1:35:02] and that is, you know, some of the members here
[1:35:06] are newer than this issue
[1:35:08] and some in myself I'm new.
[1:35:09] So it might be helpful to have a very informal discussion before we go into the actual drafting of it and adoption of an ordinance.
[1:35:19] And so I've suggested perhaps on June 27, as soon as June 27 that the council, I could present some general options to you not a full blown ordinance but just sort of point out like what some of the options could be.
[1:35:32] Now there's two parts to this.
[1:35:33] The way it was adopted in the comprehensive plan, it allows for these units, but also allows for a conditional use permit process. And so we have to adopt both design standards perhaps for these units.
[1:35:46] And there could be degrees of design standards, so to say. And then there's also a administrative conditional use permit process which has been at least a first draft was done by our former director.
[1:35:59] And that's something I'd like to have you consider also before I go forward with that.
[1:36:03] The next step then would be to take this same to finish drafting the ordinance based on the comments from the council and take it through the process of adoption.
[1:36:13] So the first reading with the planning commission that could be as soon as July 19.
[1:36:18] A second public hearing for adoption with the planning commission.
[1:36:22] And then after the planning commission's actions, we would take it to the council first reading, second reading and finally adoption concurrent with that process. We would have to put it through the CEPA process, the state environmental policy act process.
[1:36:36] And also the Department of Commerce has a review process. Those can look concurrently and be well within the same timelines as we have here.
[1:36:45] That's the process going forward. If there's any questions, I'd be happy to answer them.
[1:36:52] He's trying to bring up that email that you had sent us.
[1:36:55] While he's doing that, is there any comments, questions from Council?
[1:37:01] Thank you, Steve. I feel like some of us were on the planning commission before we were on Council, and we've been waiting for this moment for a long time.
[1:37:10] And I appreciate all your hard work, especially since you just got the job.
[1:37:15] Thank you.
[1:37:17] Just one other piece of information that you can put on the website for people to screen.
[1:37:25] I think that's the point is that so many people they know we've initiated this but they don't know how long it takes or estimate that and the steps and so that's what we're trying to do here.
[1:37:37] if you have any other ways of presenting this or articulating this, of course, be very open
[1:37:44] at staff, but appreciate students that are trying to document that process.
[1:37:55] Any other
[1:37:55] comments, questions from council? So we're talking about a work session at five o'clock
[1:38:01] at our next meeting. It could be a regular agenda. I'm sorry. It could be a regular
[1:38:12] It doesn't have to be a long session. I don't think it's that complicated.
[1:38:16] I just wanted to get your input first before I took an ordinance forward.
[1:38:20] Do you need director and council moving forward on anything as well as.
[1:38:25] Like I said, the idea of having it come to council first for a discussion was an option. It's certainly not required.
[1:38:31] But I thought it would be up to you if you'd like to have an opportunity or if you wanted to go ahead and push an ordinance out to the planning commission.
[1:38:38] I would like just to get the process started by
[1:38:47] having the council which one I'll go ahead, bring it to the planning commission. Yeah, I mean that started.
[1:38:56] Okay.
[1:38:59] Councilor Anderson.
[1:39:01] Yes, thank you.
[1:39:04] Very good.
[1:39:05] Thank you.
[1:39:10] So
[1:39:13] I don't see several levels here and I'm happy to report some wins and some real positive
[1:39:20] things around the city will move quickly through them.
[1:39:23] The first one is a report from Sherry Crane, who is of course our place chief and Dennis
[1:39:28] Burnett who is the latest emergency manager and added to our staff regarding today's mock
[1:39:35] Cascadia emergency exercise and so city staff spend the day working through a very complex
[1:39:43] and very real scenario to prepare ourselves in our city with District 3 for a serious
[1:39:53] earthquake.
[1:39:54] So at least Sherry she did a great job of leading that exercise.
[1:39:58] Yes, so two weeks ago you guys got the presentation of what to expect if the big one were to
[1:40:03] come.
[1:40:03] So this week is a series of tabletop and exercise events that State of Washington, probably Oregon, right?
[1:40:11] It's at the national, I mean, you've got FEMA, federal government, military, State of Washington, their emergency management crew, WOSDOT, and a bunch of other agencies.
[1:40:21] So Linwell Swim just wanted to take care of our business to make sure that we're meeting our responsibilities.
[1:40:26] So we've been partnering as you know with fire district three and taking care of the swim operational area city of swim obviously has a great deal of the resources so people are going to come to swim and eating medical food, any number of things so
[1:40:41] So, today's exercise was to accomplish a budget goals. So, heavy lift with the first one was to make sure that our city staff kind of know how to function in that decision making process, you know how do you handle all of those things that need to get done.
[1:40:56] So we had 29 city staff members there today working through the exercise.
[1:41:01] We started at nine o'clock and went to three PM. We had seven fire district full-time staff, fire district three. We had a couple of facilitators and evaluators that were volunteer folks that were employed by anybody to just for the goodness of the heart and based on their expertise we're able to come in and assist us with our event today.
[1:41:20] We also had a bunch of other volunteer citizen community members, whether they were areas members, which is the amateur radio folks.
[1:41:31] We have some assert folks, which is the emergency response team folks community or emergency response team folks that are seated throughout how county remain and be a member in the audience.
[1:41:43] No, they usually raise their hand pretty quick.
[1:41:47] I am in two years and I've been going for administration role for either the county or the emergency response.
[1:41:55] Okay.
[1:41:56] I was a wildland firefighter for 10 years.
[1:42:00] So as most of you know serve as that program that you're right you're really nesting community involvement for people to take care of their own neighborhood. And then of course, some folks commit to even going broader and they start
[1:42:14] to reach out, and they're helping their, you know, they just brought in, brought in, brought in.
[1:42:17] But they do provide a level of contact and first response, first aid communication pathways that
[1:42:28] wouldn't exist if you didn't have three or 400 people in the community able to perform those
[1:42:33] functions. So we did quite a bit with communications, obviously, but we also worked on
[1:42:39] on some very specific goals for this week,
[1:42:44] which is mass care.
[1:42:46] We focused a lot on what it would take
[1:42:48] to ramp up a shelter.
[1:42:50] So tomorrow we actually have a shelter demonstration
[1:42:53] happening at the Trinity United Methodist Church.
[1:42:56] So that's a fantastic operation happening
[1:42:58] with fires to free the church and American Red Cross.
[1:43:03] So the local Red Cross folks are gonna be there as well.
[1:43:06] We also worked on mass transfer and your transportation issues. You're going to have an earthquake and a bunch of broken bridges. You're going to have liquid faction, which is going to create our problems with your roadways.
[1:43:17] You need to have some debris management plan in order, and you need to have a plan for how to get those bridges in the roads up and running, or at least identify and try to access resources to help fix those issues.
[1:43:31] So we had a fairly focused event that we wanted to deal with today, and those happened to be wheel houses
[1:43:38] So our public works crew had a big crew in there our planning group DCD director Steve
[1:43:45] planning crew out there in force real tangible things that our city staff could dig their teeth into and
[1:43:53] We'll be building on those efforts today moving forward
[1:43:57] So we're also going to be doing some stuff later on the week with with food, right?
[1:44:02] That's kind of a good deal. We don't like some.
[1:44:05] So we thank Andrew for taking a lead in assisting us with some food distribution conversations that we're having.
[1:44:12] So that in a nutshell is kind of what happened today, but I would like to bring Dennis up.
[1:44:16] The, the city has had a part time FTE on the books for a couple of years now for a emergency management coordinator to assist me with what I can do.
[1:44:25] And we have recently brought Dennis on to assist us and he slid right in his exercise was ramping up here. So, maybe if you want to come up and say a few words about your background and have any comments from today, he was able to observe the entire bed.
[1:44:42] So anyway, Dennis, appreciate the opportunity. Dennis Burnett's name, retired in 2007,
[1:44:52] after 35 years of national tortures, 13 different parks nationwide, Coast to Coast.
[1:44:57] I retired as a deputy chief in D.C.
[1:45:00] For law enforcement, SAR, EMS, all those sorts of fun things. And it was very impressive to see the actions going on today.
[1:45:10] My last real big assignment was on the oil spill in 2010. At least at that time certified as a type 2 planning section chief.
[1:45:20] And so at least I could spell ICS. And that's a big step forward with all the forms they use.
[1:45:26] You know, it's coming from the federal government,
[1:45:28] it's going to be fairly close.
[1:45:31] But the space that this area is in right now,
[1:45:34] compared to my experience over those 35 years,
[1:45:38] with the emergency operations was very, very impressed.
[1:45:41] The cohesion of the groups that got together
[1:45:44] were quite well together,
[1:45:46] and they knew what they were doing.
[1:45:47] And you can see the learning curve as the day went on,
[1:45:50] even though it was still a short day.
[1:45:52] Looking forward to the work, it is part time.
[1:45:55] 15 years of retirement is good, so we'll see how this goes.
[1:45:59] Thanks.
[1:46:02] Just answer their comments. So I had a chance to vote.
[1:46:06] You have some more to say. No, no, no, just any questions. I'm here for that too.
[1:46:12] So I think that was there of course all day with the exercise as well and just talked to people in the county and the state and I want you to know all of them were said swim is way ahead of any other agencies most counties in the state believe I was just shaking my head they were just so impressed and so it certainly as a new member of this community leadership team.
[1:46:38] You know, very grateful. I wanted you to know what you have here at the city operation. So it was very impressive.
[1:46:47] And the exercise goes on for another four days. This was a statewide exercise. Many of them, most of the state did not do the practical full-blown exercise.
[1:46:56] like we did they was mostly just informative and they sat up computers and talked but they did actually
[1:47:04] engage or open up their ELC's and fully staff them like we did so.
[1:47:17] Well she uh well she steps away from putting my another win for the city for their council
[1:47:25] it is this month's we have a new police officer starting that makes us fully staffed.
[1:47:32] That's what we saw, you know, there's a lot of the municipalities very close to us that are
[1:47:38] registered and I think that speaks to our police leadership. And so thank you for that.
[1:47:45] I'm the next time and I'm sorry for the time here, but this is hopefully all videos.
[1:47:50] I'd like to invite Ty Brown to the microphone. As you know, he's the
[1:47:56] operations manager for Public Works and he has a very, I think a very distinct
[1:48:00] the information that you wanted to share with the council.
[1:48:04] Just a moment.
[1:48:11] So
[1:48:14] I'm going to illuminate that sucker so you can see it.
[1:48:19] I guess I'm tied around on the operations manager for the city's when council thank you for having me here. Mr. Hewis asked me to talk quickly about a nice when that we had.
[1:48:28] So it won't be brief.
[1:48:30] It's kind of my style.
[1:48:31] The last six years we've been applying for the tree city award to be a tree city.
[1:48:36] So this year we received our six annual tree city award, which is.
[1:48:41] It's a pretty cool thing, you know, it just basically shows that we care we value and we, you know, we basically take really good care of our street trees, you know, and our growth of carry hopes that we have.
[1:48:53] There's a lot of crime in our street trees that we do have.
[1:48:59] Time and effort and taking care of it.
[1:49:02] I just got a few quick things of what that tree city award, you know, what it takes to get there, right? So,
[1:49:11] basically, one of the first things to qualify for having a,
[1:49:18] One of the first things it takes is we have to have a parks board or a tree board and our parks board qualifies as a tree board for that, which we do balance things off of, you know, Tom's part of the parks board.
[1:49:31] Anyway, he's a big part of all of that stuff.
[1:49:33] So the next thing we have to do is have a tree, a tree ordinance. Like I said,
[1:49:38] it shows that we take care of our street trees.
[1:49:40] And we do have a certain code that we go by as far as purchasing,
[1:49:44] maintaining and where we plant them and our code for that is 12 by 2,
[1:49:49] 5 city ordinance. Um, let's see.
[1:49:53] It also shows that we spend $2 per capita. So on street trees,
[1:49:59] which means for us that we track every single receipt as far as mark placement, chips, fabric,
[1:50:08] employee time, everything that we do has to be accounted for, tracked all year long.
[1:50:13] And we just label a tree city, we follow it, and then when that November comes for us,
[1:50:18] then we start pouring all these numbers together, see if we hit our mark.
[1:50:24] The next thing we have is an Arbor Day celebration, ours is in November, which is kind of odd.
[1:50:30] We do get a little bit of flack for that, but it's basically because that's when it was first handed off to us was in October, November, six years ago.
[1:50:38] And so, we just had to come up with an Arbor Day date and it kind of works out good because everything's dormant at that time for trees. So, and we came our day.
[1:50:46] even though it's a little cold and wet out there, we still plant some trees. And with that
[1:50:51] Arbor Day celebration, we also, we don't always have to plant a tree. You know, we can, we can
[1:50:57] also do classes, you know, how to prune trees, just has to be tree related. So I know going
[1:51:02] forward, we're going to start working with Hannah. She's our new parks manager and see if we can
[1:51:06] get some of the kids involved and maybe do some training and lessons and things of that nature
[1:51:11] through the ordinary, what we typically do, right?
[1:51:16] You see, another cool thing that falls by this
[1:51:20] is we have to have a community forester
[1:51:23] and currently I'm the community forester,
[1:51:25] so I go out, every call we get about gary oak trees,
[1:51:28] for example, on the different groves,
[1:51:31] whether it's up around or over here,
[1:51:33] off of Scrum Avenue, we're on private property.
[1:51:37] I look at the trees, we evaluate them,
[1:51:38] We hire a business in our worst to come in,
[1:51:42] give us a report and then I can tell you,
[1:51:44] basically, you know, as history does,
[1:51:46] the shot is it gonna fall on your house,
[1:51:48] we take it down, basically all that kind of,
[1:51:50] some things that people need to know,
[1:51:52] want to know, so that's a pretty important role
[1:51:56] and it's a pretty busy one, actually.
[1:51:58] Personally think about it,
[1:51:59] but it is kind of a timely thing.
[1:52:03] Next, the city must have,
[1:52:06] see, we must, this is kind of a big one,
[1:52:08] we provide a treat or a, excuse me,
[1:52:11] we provide a treat care plan and vegetation management plan
[1:52:15] for every park and pocket park in the city.
[1:52:17] So when we sit down in November, basically,
[1:52:20] we have to create a plan, a big parenthesis that says,
[1:52:23] you know, this is how many invasive species
[1:52:25] we're getting, a Blackberry, you know,
[1:52:28] poison hemlock, scotch broom, all of that kind of stuff.
[1:52:31] We have to track all of that for every park park,
[1:52:34] everything that we're doing,
[1:52:34] How we're getting rid of it and then basically then we have to fulfill that throughout the year and at the end of the year when we turn our stuff in in November, they go back they take about five months to review everything and then if you've met those needs and you can accomplish what you were
[1:53:04] criteria to burn our six annual tree city award and just goes to show you that
[1:53:10] we're proud of our trees. We're going to keep planting them.
[1:53:13] That's about it for me. Any questions?
[1:53:25] So we're proud of our trees and that designation.
[1:53:28] We're also working on bicycle certification as a city and whatnot, that being a bicycle
[1:53:33] friendly. All right, so a couple other just last few items. One is you remember
[1:53:39] that we applied for the $210,000 grant from the Washington State Parks and Rec
[1:53:48] Creation Association as well as the Association of Washington Cities and we
[1:53:53] received it. It was a partnership with the city and with the Boys and Girls Club
[1:53:57] and with the YMCA. The Boys and Girls Club said they would use the
[1:54:03] money to offer low or no cost for attendance at their 10-week summer camp
[1:54:09] program and we received those funds. We passed those on to them and they are now up to so they
[1:54:19] signed 135 youths up to that action that summer. So that's really amazing and the YMCA of SWIM that
[1:54:28] was our other partner they have a nine-week outdoor leadership program and they just reported
[1:54:34] back to trees that they initially planned on only having 25 participants and now they're over 31 with the help of this grant that
[1:54:42] partnership with the city. So I wanted you to be proud of what you've done and a part of for the city.
[1:54:49] Two last things. I know that you were made aware of through an email about some issues.
[1:54:58] There's always operational challenges and whatnot.
[1:55:00] So we always like to share wins.
[1:55:02] I heard back from a resident who says,
[1:55:06] and I quote, that his email expected you to contact me
[1:55:09] with an update when your work was complete
[1:55:12] so that you could take credit for your efforts
[1:55:14] as you should.
[1:55:16] Since you just quietly did as you promised,
[1:55:18] I will therefore give you the credit you deserve
[1:55:22] through this email.
[1:55:23] He addresses the the bench that we worked on. He says it looks so much better. Thanks to your efforts. I'm sure all the sponsors of the positive facilities are also so grateful for your hard work.
[1:55:35] He stepped up and answered the call of a citizen importantly and responsibly if I could return to kindness in any way.
[1:55:41] Let me know and sign that. So I wanted to share that with you. And my last item is I wanted to publicly thank Kalina who's in our legal department. She's the legal assistant and has graciously worked hard to step in and fill in for our full time city clerk who's off in at her
[1:56:01] And I'll try to get it certified. So, thank you.
[1:56:05] And that's it. Thank you.
[1:56:10] See council.
[1:56:15] You mean an answer.
[1:56:18] Well, I have one major.
[1:56:21] The mayor was, I apologize.
[1:56:25] Councilman Armand was unavailable to take the bus to Hurricane Ridge.
[1:56:30] I took it and took my federal National Park senior pass.
[1:56:34] The bus is free for the month of June,
[1:56:38] and they made it a transit,
[1:56:40] Cloud County transit meeting because we had
[1:56:42] a quorum of the board who wanted to take this bus ride.
[1:56:45] So the bus leaves three times a day from Fort Angeles Transit Center and
[1:56:50] and returns from Hurricane Ridge four times a day.
[1:56:55] So if you missed the last bus at 345, you're out of luck.
[1:56:59] We did see a bear and a grouse
[1:57:02] and it was a beautiful weather.
[1:57:03] I was worried it might be snow when we got up there,
[1:57:06] but it was very nice and I'm so glad
[1:57:08] that the county transit is addressing this issue.
[1:57:13] You can park your car at the transit center or nearby
[1:57:17] and just hop on the bus and spend the day there.
[1:57:19] It's an awesome service.
[1:57:21] Thank you.
[1:57:24] I could add one addition of Gateway Center, which is kind of downtown in Fort Angeles.
[1:57:30] That's where the bus will actually pick you up to go up the hurricane.
[1:57:34] Oh, I call it the transit center. I don't know.
[1:57:38] We're the big buses.
[1:57:43] So, Angela Rathbone sent out an email, at least one, I think the other one he didn't address to everybody's office.
[1:57:50] That's the court to get to council, but one of the things that he mentioned in his report on the housing solution committee during one of the public comment sessions.
[1:58:03] So the comment made that was kind of
[1:58:08] potentially bring about a discussion from council, but he says that the individual, the local builder who complained that building.
[1:58:17] Manufacturer housing in the area would have negative impact on the values of single families get built homes. You didn't mention that you put his money into building short term rentals.
[1:58:28] this could be rent out between $470 to $800 per day.
[1:58:35] So depending on what the definition
[1:58:37] that's in this context was short term rentals
[1:58:39] is whether it's B and B,
[1:58:42] they're the possible that might come
[1:58:44] this way from all discussion.
[1:58:48] But that was from the Council of Ratham's report
[1:58:50] and I saw 70 other reports that said
[1:58:52] for the distribution.
[1:58:54] I did get two of them.
[1:58:55] Yeah, should be forwarded in the course of time.
[1:59:01] All right, so I have three committee briefs and try to make them brief.
[1:59:11] My tablet might be struggling because I have so many programs open. So if I stutter or lag out, I apologize.
[1:59:19] So the first meeting was the solid waste advisory committee meeting and there weren't a whole lot of updates other than I think the, oh yeah, the blue mountain transfer transfer station is that reopening has been pushed back.
[1:59:47] So that one was the only one that really pertained to us, so I will open up the NODC meeting notes
[1:59:57] if my tablet will cool.
[2:00:02] We had a presentation from the WSU Clallam County extension, which has all kinds of programs
[2:00:10] like 4-H youth development, master gardener program, food system program, and waste prevention
[2:00:16] program. So if you have some free time, I highly recommend looking into the WSU Clallam
[2:00:22] County Extensions. And what else? There were a couple points about broadband updates. I
[2:00:32] wasn't sure if Anthony had known about them. I know he's pretty on top of everything, everything,
[2:00:39] broadband and squim. So they were talking about hoping to have a second broadband symposium
[2:00:46] I'm in the fall to focus on what's been accomplished for the region and some of the best ways that we can move forward.
[2:00:57] I think that was it from that one really.
[2:01:01] And then the last one was from the homelessness task force meeting.
[2:01:09] There was a lot of discussion around safe parking and we will also be talking about it at the next meeting.
[2:01:19] And these are quarterly meetings. So the next one I don't think will be until September, if I'm remembering correctly.
[2:01:35] And, yeah, that's it. That's it for me. Thanks.
[2:01:42] I had a meeting with the Economic Development Council on the 25th.
[2:01:47] One of the highlights was Colleen McLean. She's our director.
[2:01:50] of his rebirth. And she was very kind and gracious to her little crown that her coworkers
[2:01:55] coerced her into. If you get a chance to know Colleen, she's not an eye person. She's a week
[2:02:00] and she does an amazing job for our community. Michael McCabe, who's been our chair,
[2:02:06] runs two businesses in Port Angeles. And due to the heavy lift of that, he is stepping down
[2:02:11] from chair to secretary. And Jennifer Burkhard was kind enough to take over the helm.
[2:02:17] We had quite a robust discussion concerning solid waste
[2:02:23] and the potential of going into the Carlsberg Industrial Park.
[2:02:29] There were 596 letters written from superintendent of Frable to residents,
[2:02:36] to businesses in the Carlsberg area opposing the landfill site.
[2:02:42] The EDC took it upon their direction.
[2:02:46] There was concern from the airport of the risk of birds interfering with air traffic.
[2:02:51] There was also concern, of course, with traffic.
[2:02:55] I was on the first rotation and Gray will open my son's starting kindergarten there.
[2:03:02] Unfortunately, we have traffic backups getting into school and we had traffic backups getting out of school that hasn't changed.
[2:03:09] What they did to address the concerns they visited the solid waste location in
[2:03:15] Montesano, which is the same organization is proposing to do it in
[2:03:19] Carlsberg. They spent two hours there, they had a really amazing quality drone
[2:03:25] video, and during that two hours they saw two birds. So the emphasis, it's a solid
[2:03:33] waste transfer station. It's not where garbage is left to be accumulated. So the
[2:03:38] over as minimal. Based upon the footage, I wouldn't suggest eating on the floor, but you can certainly
[2:03:44] sleep on it. It was very impressive. Addressing the 596 people who were opposed. And of course,
[2:03:51] they were requesting that the EDC writes a letter to support not in our backyard.
[2:03:56] Barney reminded everyone that May 19th of 2019, we the public became aware of the proposed
[2:04:04] map clinic. We have over 2,600 ink on paper signatures, not email sent in, but
[2:04:13] actual people talking to small businesses, knocking on doors, getting input.
[2:04:18] Those who were opposed to that, it was not in my backyard, the NIMBYism. It's in
[2:04:24] the core of our shopping. We've got our largest residential senior housing
[2:04:28] development. Now, fast forward to 2022. The Healing Center, if you haven't physically
[2:04:35] driven by, is a beautiful facility. It's done in the standard that we're accustomed to,
[2:04:41] the change town, the architectural, the landscape, and yes, we will have Christmas
[2:04:46] markets come all the way down. My point being, we're all quick to jump to conclusions.
[2:04:53] What I've learned during my tenure on your council, if it is zone appropriately, if they
[2:05:00] meet the secret requirements, we're not King Arthur, they can say, no, I don't like it.
[2:05:07] So at the end of the day, what I suggest, we all keep an open mind, realize we have
[2:05:12] a physical need that has to be addressed.
[2:05:15] The eastern portion of Collin County, we need to do something that's solid waste.
[2:05:19] So, stay tuned. There'll be more to come.
[2:05:22] The second meeting was the advisory committee for the Healing Center.
[2:05:28] They have been going through the frustration of getting permits finalized. The construction, of course, is changed. It's beautiful.
[2:05:35] We're still waiting for the DEA to get their final blessings so they can move forward.
[2:05:40] We're hoping to have an opening within the next week or two, a grand opening of schedule for July.
[2:05:47] The technology, they're running three different software systems to maintain
[2:05:53] proficiency in communication. Epic, of course, is our medical that we communicate with.
[2:05:58] That has created a bit of a dilemma because it's patient information.
[2:06:04] We have in Clough County, we've actually had for quite a while, our health and spoke,
[2:06:09] which is a treatment facility where we in Clough County can treat 940 people
[2:06:15] with opioid injections.
[2:06:18] Know your doctor, your stress is concerned.
[2:06:21] With Epi, those medications show up on that list.
[2:06:24] So that's a bit of a hurdle that they're working through.
[2:06:26] Of course, Metasol, monitoring patient flow,
[2:06:29] as well as online demo.
[2:06:34] The opportunity to reach out,
[2:06:36] let me say one more thing about the health and spoke.
[2:06:39] There's currently 120 participants in that program
[2:06:43] that are currently taking Suboxone.
[2:06:45] Most of the employers have no idea
[2:06:48] the normal business people that look like you and me,
[2:06:51] but for whatever reason,
[2:06:52] they have an issue and they're doing something about it.
[2:06:56] So the opportunity to meet the need is being addressed
[2:06:58] and we're excited about that process.
[2:07:01] It's interesting the process of intake
[2:07:03] is a four-hour dilemma.
[2:07:05] They're anticipating the opening of the doors
[2:07:07] is going to be a minimum of 30 patients
[2:07:10] and there's a specific need.
[2:07:11] Not only will they be dealing with opioid addiction or primary care as well as death.
[2:07:18] The navigator, which is a very positive part that someone other than a new boy for James town where the city is from behavior and this will be your health.
[2:07:28] They have a software called ClickUp, where they will be monitoring not only the neighborhood
[2:07:34] concern, but they can communicate directly with the navigator.
[2:07:39] If there is a person loitering behavior, they find them desirable or things are concerned,
[2:07:44] they have access to that person who can then move forward and address the issue.
[2:07:49] So things are set up, it appears to be a well organized, well thought out opportunity
[2:07:55] And we're looking forward to the opportunity.
[2:07:59] So.
[2:08:04] Comments.
[2:08:08] We'll be candle discussion.
[2:08:15] I would like to know what type of ordinance we need to pass to get this room cool.
[2:08:22] I'm sorry about that.
[2:08:24] There must be somebody that can make an executive decision. Okay.
[2:08:27] I just want to briefly affordable thing.
[2:08:33] I just wanted to say briefly that the city is trying to address housing the lack of housing.
[2:08:42] We're up against a huge mini mini faceted problem. We have no control over the price of housing across the country and no control over the cost of longer.
[2:08:55] The council before us updated the ordinances for ADUs, which is accessory to all our units.
[2:09:02] You can build a small house on your lot and rent it to somebody.
[2:09:05] It has to meet the city code for ADUs.
[2:09:09] That council also passed an ordinance that you can live in commercial property.
[2:09:16] You've always been able to live upstairs in commercial property.
[2:09:20] can live in the downstairs of the commercial property if it does not face Washington Street.
[2:09:25] We want to preserve the look of our downtown so that it still looks like a downtown.
[2:09:30] We've been talking about the home sharing. There's many, many ways to address lack of housing
[2:09:37] because there are many, many reasons why we have a lack of housing. I just want people to
[2:09:42] to be patient and we're working on it.
[2:09:46] We welcome ideas.
[2:09:48] You can send us emails.
[2:09:51] We are committed to it.
[2:09:53] The whole city is committed to it.
[2:09:54] Thank you.
[2:09:57] That's when I got anything to add?
[2:10:03] No, I don't think I have anything at this time.
[2:10:06] Thank you.
[2:10:16] I'm gonna ask about the consideration
[2:10:17] from the request from this force
[2:10:20] from public comments about the flag.
[2:10:23] And I know that Christina, my attorney is not here and that makes it hard to talk about it, but I think that the reason Chol's no flag was because it's up with a cool thing and it really isn't.
[2:10:39] So I just want to consider that.
[2:10:42] And maybe we don't, is Christina on vacation?
[2:10:50] I don't know if you want to address this. I think there was an email from the mayor. I didn't hear it was for political reasons. I, it's not my conversation, but I heard it was because there's so many potential other groups that may want to have a, like, phone that the mayor felt uncomfortable trying to yes and no, you know, once you start.
[2:11:14] I didn't I never heard there was a political reason if it was a concern over
[2:11:21] Senate presidents that again that that that was just a virtual conversation. So I
[2:11:26] I don't know if that answers your question. I probably deferred to Christina when she was back
[2:11:32] she was building a horno and John that one because there was um
[2:11:40] because I was I'll do a
[2:11:41] little bit of research I know the city of Boston or a lot of superior court case very recently
[2:11:48] Um, Harold, Harold, the shirt left versus the city of Boston that kind of dealt with this
[2:11:55] issue.
[2:11:56] I
[2:11:58] mean, I was interested in that up and dealt with flying using them.
[2:12:04] Um, I just did that today.
[2:12:06] I would defer to Christina.
[2:12:12] Will she be up for any extended period of time or?
[2:12:15] No, she's, she may be back even later this week.
[2:12:20] But for sure next week.
[2:12:21] Can you ask her to reach out to Council?
[2:12:26] And she's often unavailable by email.
[2:12:29] So we'll do what we can to attend the individual
[2:12:32] that asked her in public comment.
[2:12:34] She could reach you back after her.
[2:12:35] She hasn't anything
[2:12:41] else from Council.
[2:12:43] One thing that I'd like to bring up and I'm sure we've all had the
[2:12:45] emails concerning the rolling bills.
[2:12:47] We all have a responsibility to try to do our due diligence on
[2:12:55] and keep that to date to what's in the hopper, so to speak.
[2:12:59] I regret if it wasn't, it wasn't until it came out
[2:13:02] in the news app that I became aware of it.
[2:13:03] So I started scrambling and doing some investigation
[2:13:06] and then emails came in.
[2:13:11] Transparency in city government and federal government
[2:13:14] to me, I believe is essential.
[2:13:17] We the people are who pay our outrageous huge salaries
[2:13:21] that we get up here.
[2:13:22] But the point being, as a representative of the community, it's critical that we as council members
[2:13:32] take the information.
[2:13:33] So when we're asked the questions, we can respond with a reasonable degree of integrity and honesty
[2:13:38] of where it's going.
[2:13:40] And we are, fortunately, in the city in my believe, having some very positive changes moving forward.
[2:13:49] We've watched it to transfer in public works to where things are happening in a very positive
[2:13:55] direction, as well as with our city staff, hiring key people, and of course, through
[2:14:02] the direction that we've seen management.
[2:14:04] So I would like to continue to get the inside track, if you will, so that we're not blindsided
[2:14:11] by the angry citizen that I look like a boom, which I'm good at doing that.
[2:14:17] I don't know what you're talking about.
[2:14:18] But the opportunity, I think, when we hear the public comment, I genuinely appreciate those who have the willingness to get up and speak their minds.
[2:14:29] You know, people are what fuels this country moving forward. This is not a couple of people that believe their direction is the most known.
[2:14:35] So I think added communication.
[2:14:37] We do have a young council.
[2:14:40] in terms of experience and you know fortunately they bring another set of
[2:14:45] classes that are going to give us a better perspective on how we can sort of
[2:14:49] view the people better. So the opportunity to have those emails have
[2:14:55] those questions we try to respond to the best that we can and if we don't we
[2:15:00] We're doing the subject matter expert and get that input so that we can follow through. So your town is your town and we're going to try to have a handle on the rudder of what we feel your needs are with what the city is responsible for being part of.
[2:15:16] Thank
[2:15:21] you. Just reminded me. We also heard about transparency and the need for it. And, you know, we do follow the Open Public Meetings Act and we do need it is in public. There aren't any behind the doors meetings with the Jamestown tribe.
[2:15:39] We are planning a meeting with them, the city manager is working on, and that will be an open meeting so people are welcome to come and listen and hear and join us online.
[2:15:51] We're not really allowed to help back and forth with the public in our meetings that we are as cancer armor costs that available through email and emails probably best phone.
[2:16:03] And then public comments or what we have also to hear from you and I take notes every time we really appreciate when the public comes and tells us what they're worried about if we did something well.
[2:16:16] And so please continue to do that but know that there's a lot of roles we also have to follow that maybe it'd be easier but it also protects you guys from us transacting business behind closed doors which you need to be able to see what we're doing.
[2:16:31] Thank you.
[2:16:42] I don't want to thank everybody for attending the city council meeting.
[2:16:46] And that our next regular city council meeting will be June 27th at 6pm, both in person and hybrid.
[2:16:54] Great.
[2:16:54] This meeting is adjourned.