>>I would like to call the May 2022
shoreline city Council meeting to
order. These call the roll.
[CALLING ROLL]
>>Next item is approval of the
agenda. Are there any suggested
changes to the agenda? Councilmember
Roberts?
>>Thank you, I would like to pull 7
off the consent calendar.
>>Item 7 I will be pulled and made
action item 8A.
>>Thank you.
>>Are there any other requested
changes to the agenda?Miss Terry?
Okay, alright picking other requested
changes to the agenda? Seeing no
objections the agenda will be adopted
as proposed. Next item's report of
the city attorney.
>>Thank you, Mayor and Council.
Interim shoreline police chief Ryan
Abbott invites you to join him for
coffee at Caf aroma on Wednesday,
May 25 from 11 AM to 12 PM. It is an
opportunity for you to meet shoreline
police officers and then in an
informal setting, ask questions,
express concerns, and build
relationships. If you can't make
this event we plan on more coffees at
different locations throughout the
year. Stop by, grab some coffee,
talk to the chief.The location for
Caf aroma is 509 NE. 165th St.
Beginning May 29, you can explore the
fascinating world of marine beaches
during low tide with volunteer beach
naturalist in these fun free and
informative beach explorations in
saltwater part. You can dress for
the weather, weatherproof footwear is
recommended and you can get the dates
and times and more
information@shorelinewa.gov/low tide.
From June 4 to October 1 and will be
there from 10 AM to 2 PM. The market
offers a variety of fresh Washington
produce and organic meats and
showcases local farms, artisans, and
musicians.Shop for local produce,
berries, and an array of tempting
treats. Snap cards are accepted,
many member vendors except WIC and
senior FM in PHX. The popular pop
club is back introducing kids to this
easily and the magic of produce. You
can visit shoreline farmers
market.org for all the details.
And join walk leader Donna
(INAUDIBLE) through the NSR
neighborhood in bowling Creek Park on
Saturday, June 4, at 10 AM. The
walks program is free and designed
for adults ages 50+ but open to all
ages and abilities. No need to sign
up, just show up on Saturday at 10 AM
and you can learn
more@shorelinewhy.gov/shoreline WA.
The state of the community breakfasts
and civic leaders are invited to
attend. This will be an opportunity
to celebrate the city's
accomplishments and look forward to
the future. The event is 3 on June 9
but space is limited. Call
20680122142 RSVP.
A few public reminders, the parked
recreation cultural servicesWill hold
a remote meeting on Thursday, May 26
at 7 PM and the plan commission
meeting originally scheduled for June
2 has been canceled.An honorable
boreal day, City Hall will be closed
on Monday, May 30, there will be no
Council meeting and the next Council
me will be held on Monday, June 6.
That is the end of my report.
>>Thank you, Miss Terry. Next up is
Council reports. Any Council reports?
Councilmember Ramsdell?
>>Thank you, Mayor. I have a few
reportsTo provide. On May 11 I
attended the shoreline Rotary club
breakfast meeting and at the meeting
Executive Director Kathleen Hoss
filled with the Homestead community
land trust provided a PowerPoint
presentation on the program. I
walked away very impressed with the
program, the trust provides
affordable homeownership
opportunities for families 50 to 80%
of any of my. And couple of things
that really stood out was the trust
owns the land and the buyers purchase
the structure, so it provides an
opportunity for to purchase homes
between the price range between
$224,000 and $378,000. This from
freeze families from the worry of
displacement as renters. The homer
can use the equity built to purchase
a market rate on the future, so far
the land trust has created
opportunities for 235 homes that are
currently listed in the trust and
what's impressive is that 50% and %
are owned by (INAUDIBLE) families and
for closure rate is less than 1%.
On 14 May I attended the leadership
meeting. That meeting they elected
to new cochairs, Nathan Hawkins and
Michelle Moyes. They are planning
during the meeting for them
(INAUDIBLE) against crime and also
there is much interest in the
development of the park, especially
with the recent influx of young
families with children who have moved
into the neighborhood. On June 25,
the neighborhood will be hosting a be
With Leeson facilities manager
Nicholas Borg to start a conversation
about part. On 16 May I attended
meeting with folks the staff andBoard
members with the north urban human
services alliance. And their primary
concern during our conversation was
they are concerned about the future
of the oats enhance shelter, the
current contract ends in the middle
of 2023 and they are having a little
bit of frustration finding out
information from community services
about what the status of the shelter
will be. I will be meeting withWill
co-spurn from solid brown and Katie
Wilson from transit riders Union on
June 6 is a follow-up. Thank you,
Mayor.
>>Thank you. Please keep us posted
on those things. Happy Mayor
Robertson?
>>Thank you, Mayor, I will give a
brief update on the regional transit
committee that Took Pl., May 18.
Quickly, year-over-year ridership on
Metro April to April is up 20% from
last year so things are returning you
have heard it before but the new Orca
programLuxturna 16. There've been a
few hiccups but if anyone is
experiencing hick ups with their orca
card you don't need a new one, just
transfer it over, you can go to my
Orca.com and get some help with that.
And then the primary, also, I'm
coming, it's not implemented yet but
we are going to be talking about a
proposal to reduce youth fairs on
Metro 20. Stay tune for more
information about that. In the main
purpose of the meeting was to discuss
the Metro connects implementation
reportWhich looks at the cost to
implement Metro connects as a
regional plan. I guess the King
County plan. The gaps, funding
sources and engagement strategies
they will have moving forward is
beastly very long conference of and
if anybody would like us to make that
available to them we can certainly do
that. But the meeting, things are
progressing and coming back for
Metro. Thanks.
>>Thank you, Deputy Mayor.
Councilmember McConnell?
>>Thank you, Mayor. I attended the
Zoom meeting for domestic violence
initiative a few weeks ago, and I
want to tell you that it was very
promising thatThey found out what
probably should not be a surprise
that there are resources out there
but the access to them are broken
because of the language barrier,
cultural barrier, etc. Can so the
caucus met afterwards and usually
when I think there's an opportunity
for change I get really excited and
give them theLet's do whatever we can
becauseDomestic violenceVictims will
File a complaint, but then they won't
follow throughTo the other sequences
of the legal system because they
don't know how to. And there isn't
really a real good follow-up. What
we found out is those people need to
be legal, they are not just
advocates, they need to be attorneys,
so we asked them to check up on
people who are attorneys but they are
still in schoolSo will be a little
cheaper, but their real function is
to hold victims hands so that they
really follow throughOn their
restraining orders, etc. Because
this is a real big problem for women
Of any income level, but clearlyIt's
a more pressing problem for people of
color because they don't know how to
access the systemLike some of us
might. So and then the 2nd thing
which people haven't mentioned, but I
was very happy to attend the short
leg parks gala with almost everybody
on this council, so shame on you for
not patting yourself on the back.
Last we heard $60,000 and then some,
and then that was before everything
was counted and before some of my
bids came in after I left. So it was
a great, I'm really so proud of
Council that really comes out and
shows up for the community. It was a
little scary because I was probably 1
of the few people that regularly put
my mask on and 8 in short bursts and
then put my mascot again because of
family and health issues. But I
still was excited that they finally
had a new person auction, so thank
you again for, I got to have the
superintendent with us, so I was
pretty excited, She is so new that I
think she's a little leery of going
to these things on her own and so
with Miss Terry's help I met herA few
weeks before that, so I just reached
out to her and said are you coming,
if you are, come join us. So thank
you all for showing up and hopefully
we will do it again next year. Thank
you.
>>Thank you. Are there other
councilmembers?Councilmember Mork?
>>I attended theElected officials K
foresee the King County climate
change Consortium town hall which was
led by Rod Dembo ski and the main
topics were the addition of 2 new
cities, ball full in Maple Valley to
the consortium and then we also
discussed at length vision 0 and the
relationships between people feeling
safe on the road whether they're
walking, biking, or driving and the
relationship and climate change to
try to get people spending more time.
Thank you, Mayor.
>>Thank you, councilmember. Other
councilmembers?I attended a meeting
of the late Ballenger forum and we
had the exciting presentation from
WashDOT who was making the creek that
leads up to Lake Ballenger Salmon
accessibleUnder I-5 which is a pretty
intense impressive project, they are
doing with the boring machine because
there's not a way to cut it and cover
on I-5. There are some concerns from
our neighbors to the east about
downstream flooding. I'm hopeful we
can work those out because I
obviously want to protect everyone in
our region from the impact of
flooding the same time we're having's
such a tough time with the salmon P
whatever we can do for them it's our
obligation to do so. I'm delighted
to announce that representative Paul
has included funding for our
Ballenger Creek potential restoration
project which should make that
particular creek fish passable up to
partners blog, part of a funding
request to the White House. That's
step one, we got a lot of steps to go
through before we get that funding
and even that is only step one
because that gets us a Corps of
Engineers grant to come up with a
plan to make that particular passage
of the creek not only fish passable
but environmentally friendly and
debris in the spring and cover next
to it and all the rest. I'm excited
about that. Any project that helps
us impact the environment make it
better is something we should care a
lot about. I hope those 2 can move
forward. And other reports?All right.
Next up is public comment, this is
opportunity for the public to address
us on items on the agenda or items of
concern. If 19 people signed up
tonight so that limits us to 2
minutes per person and it also puts
us beyond the 30 minutes per member.
Rather any, councilmember Roberts?
>>I move that we spend our Council
rules and allow all 19 individuals
who joined up to speak to speak for 2
minutes, please.
>>Thank you.
>>Are there any objections to that
motion? Seeing no objections, the
motion passes unanimously in all 19
people have 2 minutes to speak. We
asked of these person addresses with
their name and city of residence and
please proceed for 2 minutes. Ms.
Hardy, we go ahead and minister
public comment? I'm sorry, Miss
Simulcik Smith?
>>Yes, Mayor. Our 1st speaker this
evening is Richard
:.And he will be with us in just
one moment.Mr. kink, go ahead when
you are ready, please.
>>Can year me? Thank you. TodayI
submitted public comment to the
Council about eminent domain action
by the city of Seattle over a street
in on Lake Washington. As a brief
recap in 2015 the city offered 100,
$400,000 under threat of eminent
domain, and 2019 the city wins in
court and pays the property owners
$800,000. A couple of interesting
Points about this propertyIn the
Seattle Times August 2015 article the
tone of the city wasTo take it or
you'll be lucky to get half as the
article points out and waterfront is
listed for only $119,000. Ultimately
Seattle paid twiceTheir offer. With
regards to parcel 0905 there are a
lot of unknown variables that could
dramatically affect the acquisition
costs. Interestingly the appraiser
told the property owner that they had
not physically viewed the parcel.
While there are conflicting surveys
on the land side of parcel 0905,
there is no survey of 0905 and
accordingly needs to be surveyed to
determine total Upland's entitlements.
Also there is an issue with the south
facing bulkhead that appears to be
within parcel 0905 within the
Shoreline Master program
single-family residence our preferred
use had the bulkheads are noted as
necessary to protect the home and
property. Additionally there are
public access regulations within the
Shoreline Master program that appear
not to have been addressed regarding
this parcel. Request, excuse me,
respectfully, I request council table
ordinance 967 and get the property
owners permission to do a proper
survey of the parcel and from the
survey negotiate with the parcel
owner to result any bulkhead issues.
Thank you for your time.
>>Thank you, Mr.
:.
>>Our next speaker is Brian Chow.
>>Hello, can you hear me?
>>Yes, please go ahead whenever
you're ready.
>>Thank you for your time, it's Brian
Callen I live on 27 27th Ave. NW. I
am also calling to discuss my
feelings about ordinance 967. I
understand the feeling behind it, I
am not opposed per se to the idea of
public use of the beach as there are
people who come down and use that
Beach already from time to time.
However, I feel like there are a lot
of issues that could to be have yet
to be addressed in the ordinance. I
found out about this yesterday or
just last week and the fact that this
process seems to be really speeding
through from offerOf purchase from
the cityTo the current owner to the
boat potentially in June it's like
almost less than month, and I feel
like doing this without any sort of
meaningful dialogue with the biggest
stakeholders of this purchase, the
people on the street, seems troubling
to me. Again, rich kind of brought
up the S&P. The SMP as you knows a
shoreline master program which
governs development of any property
within 200 feet of the high watermark
which this parcel falls under.
These, there is a public access
element within the S&P and there's a
few things that are written there
that I don't think of been really
addressed at all. Really the biggest
thing talks about how any sort of
public access has to be made barrier
free for people with disabilities,
any access in any public access as to
be connected to the nearest street,
so the near street is either my
street which ends that a private road
before it hits the beach orIt's NW.
195th St. There's going to be a lot
of money tied up making this public
accessible less required by the SMP
and it just I am just concerned there
hasn't been a real good survey of the
cost going to be necessary to make
this comply with regulations. I
appreciate your time and thank you
for giving me the opportunity.
>>Thank you, Mr. Chow.
>>Next up is Jim McCurdy.
>>Good evening, trust you can hear
me?
>>Yes, go ahead whenever you're
ready.
>>I am Jim(INAUDIBLE)
>>We lost Mr. McCurdy. Is it
possible you muted him?
>>That was my fault, let me get him
back real quick. Sorry about that.
>>No worries.Let's reset the time.
>>Here we go here, right.
>>I apologize, your time is restarted
and that was a an error. I
apologize.
>>I also live on (INAUDIBLE) also
known as (INAUDIBLE) Avenue. I
recently had the pleasure of turning
the cityOn the financial
sustainability advisory committee,
they reviewed the finances and
budgets and made recommendations
place a levy on the fall ballot.
During this process I have found
working with the city to be
collaborative, inclusive, and
transparent. It is a pleasure to
work on that. But I am not seeing as
the (INAUDIBLE) south of us is not
collaborative include (INAUDIBLE) a
landgrab without due process. The
main questions any of us are asking
about of have all parties been
brought into the discussion?Fire
department, emergency access,There
are issues in the summer, So forth
Will it be patrolled, what about
Private property to get there,Public
access in terms of ADA access to the
bulkhead at the end, I think there's,
We basically have just come to a
conclusion we would like to ask you
to delay any vote on this while we
have all discussed(INAUDIBLE).
>>Thank you, Mr. McCurdy.
>>Next up is Nathan Beard.
>>Thank you. My name is Nathan Beard
and I'm the president of the
preservation Association, the
nonprofit representing the folks on
27th Ave. NW. and like the other
folks mentioned our Street(INAUDIBLE)
967 would condemn peer queers the
city to postpone any consideration of
this ordinance while we appreciate
the goal of expanding parklets, the
city should not vote on acquiring
this particular beach until it
actually puts together a plan,
engages the community, waste the
costs and benefits, and addresses a
variety of issues that will arise if
this speech is converted to a city
park. The ordinance distillsTo the
simple matter of the city spending
hundred $10,000 out of its general
fund and this vastly underestimates
the amount of money it will take to
condemn, litigate, and compensate the
owner for the property, but more
importantly it ignores the issues
that come with acquiring the beach.
For one, the ordinance does nothing
to address access. And less the tide
is out there is no public access
speech. Our street is a single lane
road, the 600 feet is privately
owned, there is no turnaround, no
parking, scarce room for emergency
vehicles, the city declined the
purchase of this beach because of
these issues. Nothing is changed
since then. The recent move to
condemn this property was made
without input from the stakeholders
most affected,The data of this agenda
was announced we submitted a public
records request. I was told not to
expect to receive a full response
until August 16. That is a Regent
reason to postpone. Many comments
offered to show the beach owners
permitted people to access the speech
recreation for decades, so there's no
reason for the city to upset the
status quo before engaging
stakeholders addresses the issues
related to condemning the beach and
is for these reasons we respectfully
request the city postpone further
consideration of ordinance 967.
>>Thank you, Mr. Beard.
>>Next is David Barnett.
>>Mayor Scully, Deputy Mayor
Robertson and members of the city
Council, can you hear me?
>>Yes, go ahead whenever you're
ready.
>>I've been a resident of shoreline
for over 18 years. I am also the
chairman of the (INAUDIBLE). It is
not context I address you today.
(INAUDIBLE) for stealing myNeighbors
land is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Community members is no different
from the Robert land barons to change
legal descriptions of land threatened
to ensure even murder my people and
force them off their lands and then
exploited their about gains for
purposes. In the Farias abusive
government authority embedded in the
plan before you is nothing new. My
people or foresaw for mailing acres
of land at gunpoint as the Army
carried out official government
directives using government as a
chauffeur and appropriate private
interest is today as it was then
fundamentally corrupt. We won't be
full door forced away this time. My
I purchased my family's home at a
premium because my I swore to my
answer ancestors to never let
colonizers take away my rights for my
landlord dishonor my aboriginal
rights as a Native American. In
striking contrast to the rhythmic
abuses by my people and other
indigenous peoples the peters
permissions muted numerous Native
Americans use this parcel for
district purposes with the permission
including ceremonies and tribal
landings and related culturally
significant practices. It's tried to
restore and grow their connection to
the land already stolen from them.
Please let's not steal it again. The
tribes enjoy sovereign immunity. In
the inherent rights to build and
enjoy meaningful relationship with
private generous people like Peter
it's not impede or dishonor this
balance by inappropriately and
unwisely promoting self-interest
under government authority. I will
do everything in my power to keep the
property as is to honor my people and
their traditions and end the cycle of
abuse. Thank you.
>>Thank you, Mr. Barnett.
>>Next is Sandra Gillett.
>>Thank you. This is Sandra Gillett,
I live on Richmond Beach Drive and I
have lived here since 1971. So I am
probably 1 of the longest residents
here now. My family and my neighbors
and everybody has spent many an hour
on the beaches and I really am
excited about the opportunity that
you have is city Council to explore
this possibilityOf acquiring this
piece of land which abutsThe
saltwater Park. The boundary, the
north boundary of the saltwater park
is contiguous with this piece of
property, this is an unmatched
opportunityFor US councilmembers to
really acquire a beautiful piece of
property for the city, for the
shoreline for the use of the people.
For years I've walked on 27th NW.
which I fondly remember Fondly
Remembers Appletree Ln., North and
South to get to the beaches. AndNow
the north and is blocked off and so
people get to the beachIn a very
unsafe way by going over to railway
tracks and down the rocks and people
will continue to access the unsafe
lien less you make sure it's done
safely. It's a liability issue for
this issue because you have this
opportunity now if you do not act on
it you're putting yourself in a
liable position possibly. So I
support very strongly the city buying
the beach parcel. It will be very
nice when the city owns it. For one
thing, they can have more
jurisdiction over the use of it as in
ill legal use page partners parties
and setting fires and things. Thank
you so much for your time.
>>Thank you.
>>Next is Jack (INAUDIBLE).
>>Hi, can you hear me?
>>Go ahead whenever you're ready.
>>My name is Jack Malek, I am a 21
year resident of Richmond Beach, I
live at 2022 423rd Pl. NW.I share Mr.
let's enthusiasm. I don't have her
tenure, that's for sure, but it's
been a lovely community, lovely place
to live and raise a child and until
recently I didn't even know that that
stretch of beach didn't belong to the
Park service. I should say it was
probably about 5 or 6 years ago that
I learned of that. As I was
researching (INAUDIBLE) in the area.
And quite honestly that land, I doubt
many people would know that that is
privately held land, that 2 acres.
You know,It was recently sold along
the property, the home near there. I
don't see the benefit it affords that
home, you can't build on it for
residential or businessAnd the only
real utility is recreation which
seems consistent with a park and it's
how people use it at least all 21
years I have lived here. It's in
continuity and follows natural
contour of the tilings in the
existing beach. The only safe way to
get there is either through the salt
water park access or from within the
neighborhood would be in continuity
with the road 27th Ave. I think the
safest way to access and enjoy that
beach, I think it's appropriate the
city purchases it, I am in favor of
the ordinance and this agenda item
and I hope you move forward with it.
Thank you very much.
>>Thank you, Mr. Malik.
>>Next on the list of Tom Meyer,
however, I don't see Mr. my it's in
the list of attendees. It could be
that he is 1 of our telephone
attendees. If you are there, can you
please raise your hand by pressing *9
on the phone or using the hand in the
zoom application?There we go.Okay.
>>My name is Tom Meyer, I am a rich
resident of Richmond Beach, I'm
commenting on 9C2Purchase of
beachfront parcel my family has lived
there for the last 38 years, we have
2 sons now in their 30s. My family
also watched the access to either end
of 27th Ave. NW., Appletree Lane
starting with our (INAUDIBLE). We
increasing walk to the beach using
the South access with her
granddaughter, multigenerational
tradition. In those 38 years they
almost always met others blocking
these routes to or from the beach.
Pedestrians using (INAUDIBLE) is
clearly a long-standing not just
something my family have always done.
There are multiple very good reasons
for the city to purchase this parcel.
The city made its ownGoals to
acquire beach access. The city will
never find a beachfront parcel at
this size at this price. (INAUDIBLE)
about confusion about a saltwater
part. For all these reasons the city
should personal purchase the parcel
at 27th Ave. (INAUDIBLE) 27th Ave.
the city should work with order road
get pedestrian easement on the
portion of the road by the railroad.
These actions will make sure
(INAUDIBLE) to saltwater Park is
preserved for future (INAUDIBLE).
Also totally support riveting public
parking 27th Ave. NW., access should
be reserved for neighborhood walkers
and anyone (INAUDIBLE) should use the
saltwater part. Thank you.
>>Thank you.
>>Next is Tom McCormick.
>>Hello, Council.
>>Hi.
>>I'm Tom McCormick here in Mission
Beach.If you pop down in the beach
for the 1st time ever on a nice day
and you just sit on a log or rock,
what you going to see? You're going
to see not an empty beach, you're
going to see lots of people on a nice
day filling that space as they have
been doing for decades, it's going to
continue the matter what Council does
, people are going to flock to that
beach. We heard that what changed
since the last timeThe acquisition
issue? Will 2020, COVIDAnd the
unbelievable actions that the city
and membersOf the Association on 27th
to try to keep people out instead of
encouraging people to be at the
beach, people were kept outSuddenly
tell us we are trespassing, multiple
signage, but moreover what's changed,
saltwater part, I discovered that
sends extends north to the boundary
of the property. That's extended to
a natural breaking point at the
bulkhead. Are there issues to be
worked out? Of course. There's
always issues to be worked out.
Somebody suggested doing a survey.
And surveys going we done in the
process. We're not going to acquire
the property tomorrow after this
ordinance is passed and there will be
a title check. The title currently
Says the owner owns the tidelands.
There's currently upland's there too.
Who owns those? These things are
going to be addressed in the process.
It was someone said the biggest
stakeholders are on 27. The people
in 27 phone 2.5% of the road. We are
the stakeholders as well that you
side of the tracks leading to use
that road for our safety. Safety
cannot be put on the back burner.
That is a huge reason why the Council
needs to take this action. We need
to be able access the beach safely.
>>Thank you, Mr. McCormick.
>>Next is Randy Stein.Mr. Stein, ask
you to unmute yourself.
>>There he goes.My name is Randy
Stein, live on 27th Ave. My wife and
I have enjoyed this for many years.
The question we have is how much is
enough?They have a part to the north
of us and we have a part to the south
of us within 1/2 mile.When the city
uses eminent domain it's kind of a
bullying process. You're taking
private land as several have said and
converting it to public use. 34
present parks, how much is enough?
And we are saying this is definitely
disputing, disrupting our living here
in the area. There is some the
residents have the dogs we haven't
complained about the neighbors
walking up and down the streets.
Yes, signs of been put up for people,
a lot of people drive past those
signs and try to turn around which is
a no turnaround area. So it's very
inconvenient. Somebody ought to come
here and just live here and stay
here, visit here. Dog poop, beer
bottles, tin cans, all kinds of
garbage is left here by these people.
A lot of them are nice and we
appreciate the fact they pick up the
poop, but it's just it's
inconvenient. When they park in our
parking spaces in front of our house
of our garage it's inconvenient.
It's not necessary. This is just
going to encourage more. Over the
years the city has spent a lot of
energy preventing, trying to prevent
wells point from adding new housing
in the area. And this again is going
to encourage, we have got one street
more traffic more involvement with
other people. It's not fair. We
paid for expensive private use here
and we appreciate that. Thanks for
the opportunity to talk.
>>Thank you, Mr. Stein.
>>Next is David Spellman. I do not
see Mr. Spellman in our list of
attendees. Mr. Spellman signed up as
a lawyer for Tal Liani when I do see
Mr. Italiano in the list.Could you
please raise your hand?
>>If Mr. Spellman is Present we are
happy to hear from him.Mr. Italiano
is not signed up.
Let's pass for now and we will return
at the end to make sure Mr. Spellman
is present.
>>Okay, sounds good. Our next speaker
is Forrest Taylor.
>>Good evening, Mayor Scully, Deputy
Mayor Robertson and members of the
Council. My name is Forrest Taylor,
I live on Northwest 1/98 next to the
beach entrance we are talking about.
I support the city of Shoreline
buying the parcel. I always thought
it was part of the park, it's not
clear at all that it isn't. It
should be. I walked down along that
beachfront hundreds of times, I had
no reason to think I was trespassing.
There's nothing there. at that point
the beach is not allowed as an
entrance what are we supposed to do?
The next closest entrance is walking
up a hill for over a mile and then
walking back down to the beach.
That's not going to happen. People
aren't going to walk up and down a
hill to go to a beach that's right
there. we are just going to go by the
closest route. And that's already
what's been happening. No one is
taking a walk to the beach and saying
let's go a mile out of the way
because maybe the railroad or
somebody owns that part of the beach.
People are already using the beach
as part of the beach, so let's just
make it official. Some people want
to be, the beach to be a private
property or private road, there's the
serious things that need to be
researched and investigated. We
don't need investigation. I've been
there hundreds of times. Maybe they
want to make people pay for the
privilege of going the closest route
to the beach, but people aren't going
to pay to walk to the beach, they're
just going to walk to the beach
whether someone says it's a private
property or not. You put a gate
people going to walk around it as
well they should. Richmond Beach is
for everyone. Can I say let's make
it official and keep it that way. I
yield the rest of my time.
>>Thank you.
>>Next is Tom Peterson.
>>Hello, this is Tom Peterson, I live
at 1719 NW. 192nd St. in Richmond
Beach. I have been enjoying the
comments other people of been making
and would say yes, certainly, the
city Council should meet with
residents to studyTheir concerns and
allay any such concerns. I do
support the city acquiring the beach
for the park. I agree with many and
have lived in Richmond Beach for 25+
years that there would be little or
negligible increase in foot traffic
Just the usual locals as they always
have strolling through on their way
to the beach on 27th. I do support
prohibiting outside parking on 27th
and better signage and strict
enforcement so that it is still
residents only.And I think the city
should work with Burlington Northern
Santa Fe on a dedicated pathway to
the south end of the 27th Ave.Beach
access so that visitors are not
disturbing residents are infringing
on their rights, similar to pathways
and cut through's like the one
between 15th Ave. NW. and 198 Street.
Thank you, and I yield the rest of
my time.
>>Thank you.
>>Next is the (INAUDIBLE).Miss
McCrory is joining us from a cell
phone.
>>Teresa look Watt Edmonds, Director
of shoreline Lake Forest Park Senior
Center. Joining you tonight on
behalf of the instructors volunteers
600+ members and the rest of the
aging community of shorelineTo
support Council as you proclaim the
month of May senior month we have
been hosting many wonderful events
online which will culminate June 11
with the large wellness fair that
will be opened on the community. I
especially want to thank
councilmembers for the continued
support, Not only in the past 2 years
but at all times. Whenever we have
been in need you have been there.
And each year I find that we have a
broader understanding of our
partnership. We learn from you what
your expectation is of us and I think
you know we do our best to try and
meet that expectation. We look
forward to 2022 and continued years
and working alongside many employees
of the city in various departments
and servicing our Asian community.
Thank you, and I yield my time.
>>Thank you.
>>Next is Jackie Curley. I do not see
Ms. Curley in the list of attendees
for she emailed me previously she is
having some audio issues. Ms.
Curley, if you're joining us on the
phone could you please press *6 to
unmute yourself?
>>I'm not seeing anyone, let's move
overTo Mr. Spellman at the end.
>>So next is Bill Turner.And Mr.
Turner, could you please raise your
hand if you're in the list of
attendees?Actually I see he is on the
telephone as well. Let me rename Mr.
Telok Turner and allow him to talk.
Okay, Mr. Turner, go ahead when
you're ready.
>>Mr. Turner, if you can hear me, go
ahead and speak.I don't see that the
phone is muted, but I also don't see
him on our list, the Simulcik Smith,
the list of presenters.There we go.
Mr. Turner, I apologize. And whenever
you're ready, please unmute and speak.
>>You are unmuted, Mr. Turner, go
ahead.
>>Mr. Turner, if you can hear us,
please go ahead and speak. I think
you should be unmuted at this point.
I hate to do this, but let's pass Mr.
Turner and return to the
(INAUDIBLE).
>>Mr. Turner had called me previously
and said he would be joining under a
different name and also don't see
that name. So we will try again at
the end.
Next is Kathleen Russell.
>>Kathleen Russell, a resident of
shoreline on behalf of saved
shoreline trees. Regarding 9B
staffing requests it is
understandable more developments lead
to more permanent activity. More
development also lead to increased
questions from citizensIn more public
records request. As residents who
live here we pay property taxes,
license fees, sales taxes and
therefore residents would question
should also receive an appropriate
level of response.Question about
statement in 9B, quote, this trend is
expected to continue over the next
several years with current projects
of 7000Question about statement in
9B, quote, this trend is expected to
continue over the next several years
with current projects of 7947 units
to develop by 2025. This refers to
current projects. Is it possible to
get a location list of these projects?
Regarding Richmond Beach, we continue
to have questions about the 20th Ave.
NW. new sidewalk. The design is now
8 feet wide along 20th Ave. NW. from
1/90 to 1/93. And then 10 feet wide
from 1/93 to 1/95.We ask for a
continuous 8 foot wide sidewalk. We
are completing the survey but we have
questions that the design will be at
a 100% before we get answers. Can
the city possibly set up a fact sheet
to answer the questions as email to
the project manager and Council?
Thank you.
>>Thank you.
>>Derrick Blackwell.
>>Hello. My name is Derrick Blackwell
It can you hear me?
>>Yes, go ahead whenever you're
ready.
>>Thank you. I live close by to the
newly proposed apartment building on
Linden Ave., North to replace our in
Park Apartments. Bill Creek
residential held a 2nd community zoo
meeting on May 10This was not in good
faith, nobody schedules meetings at 8
PM unless they want to purposely
minimize participation, the start we
had almost 50 people. By the end
most dropped out.Some deafly could
make it. The 1st community meeting
was publicized, clearly Millcreek
wishes to minimize discussion. Is it
coincidence that the announcements
for braille apartments on Linda
Avenue one block away came out 4 days
after this Millcreek meeting? Here we
have 386 propose but at least there's
vehicle accessIn Linden and Aurora
avenues. The proposed building does
not and exceptional and it's very ill
suited for the surroundings. Earlier
we made Millcreek where all aware of
the safety issues on May 10 we are
very arrogantly told they would have
just one vehicle entrance because
there would only be one conflict
point with pedestrians which would
obviously be worse, everyone waiting
longer at that one point. Yes, we
have one more parking space on the
street. They are not getting
rational reasons, they don't have to.
They have already been assured all
they have to do is meet code
requirements and their application
will be approved. Lack of vehicle
access came up several times in the
meeting, Kate Lee stated she needed
to defer to the traffic engineer for
traffic problems. As I mentioned
earlier I had already spoken with
David da Vinci, very nice person who
made it clear this is not a
discussion to get involved in. Okay,
who is? The city could prevent future
safety problems by making a statement
about it now before the application
is submitted number 1 on the list is
emergency vehicle response. Thank
you for hearing.
>>Thank you. I see Mr. Spellman has
joined.
>>Mr. Spellman, go ahead and unmute
yourself and you're ready, please.
>>Can hear me now?
>>Yes, go ahead whenever you're
ready.
>>I am here on behalf of the property
owner regarding agenda item9C which
is the condemnation ordinance. I was
retained in December by the property
owner regarding an email by Mr.
McCormick who had proposedThat enough
of public trust to require acquire
the property. That was in December.
In May the property owner learned for
the 1st time about a proposal to
condemn the property.Our position is
The city should postpone the motion
and conduct a proper transparence and
inclusive process consistent with
principles of equity and inclusion.
The fact that the city's response to
theNeighborhood groups public records
request says there will not be a
response until August shows thatThe
cities blitzkriegIn an attempt to
condemn the property is ill advised.
This requires a process. The context
is under 1984 lawsuit. The original
property owner(INAUDIBLE) through
trust had agreed to permissive public
use of the property. That's the
status quo. What's the reason to
rush from that? There needs to be an
analysis with the recent plans of the
city of Seattle to close Golden
GardensAnd through public safety
concerns, one can understand why my
client has concerns. Moreover there
are concerns about access. The city
is changing its position, the
position is expressed in city signage
showing there is no public access to
the beach and(INAUDIBLE).
>>Thank you, Mr. Spellman.Has Ms.
Curley or Mr. 20 turn or join us?
>>I do not see Ms. Curley. Mr.
Turner is still on the call, we can
give it a try again to see if it
works.
>>Are there instructions you can give
him? I am not sure the problem is.
Mr. Turner, I'm going to press a
button that allows you to talk and
you press *6 to unmute yourself.
Parent Mr. Turner, can you hear us?
Mr. Turner, it looks like you're
activated, could you try speaking?
Unfortunately, we are going to need
to move on. Mr. Turner, you're
welcome to submit comments in writing
or attend our next, are you there?
Unfortunately looks like this is not
going to work. We're going have to
pass. The Simulcik Smith, believe
that closes public comment, correct?
>>Yes.
>>Thank you. Next up is the consent
calendar. Death HUMIRA Robertson?
>>I moved we approve the consent
calendar as amended, correct, from
earlier?
>>Item 7 I is no longer on the
consent calendar.Is there a 2nd?
>>2nd that.
>>Thank you. Will the court please
call the vote?
>>
[CALLING ROLL]
>>The consent calendar passes
unanimously in the new action item 8
a is the former 7 I which is adopting
491For appealing resolution number
459 which authorizes hybrid meetings.
>>City attorney Margaret King was
going to do a very brief presentation.
>>Whenever you're ready.
>>Can you hear me? I apologize. I
was just trying to click my unmute
when the screen popped up and I
couldn't find it. My apologies.
>>You are here now, go ahead.
>>Mayor and Council, this is a
resolution number 491Repealing
resolution number 459 temporarily
authorizing meetings in public
hearings to be held remotely due to
COVID-19.I don't know whyMy screen is
not working.There we go.Okay.Okay, so
theLegislative actions that we are
addressing today in this discussion
is resolution number 459, the Council
adopted on June 1, 2020, it suspends
the city Council 5.3 and 5.5That
allowed us to go to virtual meetings.
Those rules require there to be a
meeting on site of City Hall. It
also directs the planning commission
in the park board to hold meetings
virtually. There is a typo on I
apologize, it'sSubstitute House Bill
1329 was passed in 2022. Amends the
public meetings act require physical
location. It does permit entirely
virtual meetings but it does so only
when there's a declaration of
emergency and the meeting can't be
held in person with reasonable safety.
And then the governor's
proclamation 2028 16 is terminates
and resumes requirements and public
meetings to be held virtually.
Effective June 1, 2020, the governor
has taken that action.
So we have also integrated new
technology into the city system, it
integrates cameras and microphones
into a videoconferencing platform,
staff presentations can be shared in
Council chambers and on the
videoconferencing platform and it
also allows public comment to be made
by telephone or videoconferencing
software or, of course, in person
allow us to do these meetings.Staff
recommends the city Council adopt a
resolutionRepealing resolution 459
and returned to in person meetings
effective June 1, 2022. And I am
available for any questions.
>>Thank you pick this is an action
item so we normally start with a
motion. Is there a motion related to
this item?That be Mary Robertson?
Thank you, I move that we adopt
resolution number 491 repealing
number 459.
>>Ms. Simulcik Smith, you have a
comment?
>>Mayor Scully, since this itemWas on
action for the 1st time?
>>Yes, just everyone knows staff
reminded be about that and I just
forgot. I apologize before we do
motion we need to open it up for
public comment. This is an action
item on the agenda for the 1st time
without prior notice, we open up for
public comment. If there any members
of the public in attendance Ray
surehanded we will call on you to
provide comments on this action item
only.I am not seeing any hands.
>>I don't see any either.
>>With no hands raise I will close
the public comment. I apologize for
a meeting that we have a motion but
not a 2nd. Consider 2nd for the
deputy mayor's motion?
>>2nd.
>>Deputy Mayor Robertson, would you
like to address your motion?
>>I want to thank the staff,
everybody was been involved in making
virtual meetings possible and for the
members of the public with continue
to participate in even in greater
numbers in many cases throughout the
pandemic. I look forward to seeing
you all in person. Thanks.
>>
[CALLING ROLL] Councilmember
McConnell?
>>Thank you, Mayor. I want to thank
councilmember Roberts for pulling
this off of consent because I believe
because it's the 1st timeOn the
agenda and we are coming to a vote,
it is important for me, at least, we
do have a discussion so the public is
aware of the moveScheduled for June 6
to go back into the city chambers. I
am glad we are going to do that, but
I particularly have several reasons
why I'm going to participate in the
hybrid model, which is assumingFor
both councilmembersWho want to zoom
in and also for the public. It's
actuallyTo tell the public we can
continue to participate as fully as
you have been during the pandemic
because we actually have all
commented that we have much more
public participation. I particularly
am of the medical (INAUDIBLE) that I
am boosted not once but twice. And
that makes me a vulnerable population
and in addition to that I also in the
sole caregiver for a 1-year-old who
is not vaccinated and then another
grandchild in that immediate family
who cannot be vaccinated because of
the age. So we have already stumbled
upon some quarantine, and when that
happens I can't show up for a week or
more untilWe are sure thatNo one is
going to be infecting each other.
Because everybody knows, this is a
very, veryCentury, once in a century
situation. I will be taking my cues
As things change, is my comfort level
changes, etc. I really do miss being
in the council chambers because we
have so many new people and visit a
great opportunity to have a lot more
dialogue prior to and after meetings,
soI am very sad to say that at least
For a little short. I will be
zooming in and I hope that the staff
will be able to get the bugs out of
that system. Again, thank you,
councilmember Roberts, for pulling
that off the agenda so the public
knows what we're doing. Thank you.
>>Thank you. Other questions or
comments, councilmember Roberts?
>>I have a couple of questions about
What the public and the Council is
going to expect when we come back to
chambers. It was mentioned the
technology and theThe public
councilmembers are going to be
allowed to and encourage to
participate.This sort of some the
specific questions I have are around
Is in the past we have had seating in
the Council Chambers rose roughly 100
people. Is that going to is that
capacity going to be similar to what
we've had in the past? Also, I know
that some of the details have not
been finalized, but are there going
to beStill the same requirements
about around whenPublic who chooses
to participate remotely or virtually,
that still the same time. To sign up
to give public comment, is that going
to beStill the case? And to the
extent that some of these Kino again
some of these details are still to be
worked out, but to the extent that
Staff can provide some answers to
those questions about what to expect
I appreciate that.
>>Miss Terry?
>>Thank you, Mayor. I will answer
those things that I might know. We
have not discussedA capacity limit in
the Council Chambers. I think it's
the Council is pretty familiar, is
very unusual circumstances when it
might've gotten to that capacity. We
would like to spread the chairs a
little bit further apart to allow
that, and I know historically when we
have had a larger crowd that couldn't
that overflowed the number of seats
in the chambers we have also allowed
or provided the speakers out in the
lobby and additional seating out
there is an opportunity certainly by
providing the opportunity for people
to continue to participate virtually
like has been happening for the last
2 1/2 years, That hopefully will be
very convenient for people. So
people that choose to participate
virtually really nothing will change
for themDear, would anticipate that
we would still ask for the same sign
up time frames just so we can
coordinate that it certainly if
that's going to change we would let
the public know that plenty of time.
AndI know earlier today I think when
I talked with councilmember oversee
asked a question about over protocols
and mask wearing, I think is I've
talked with councilmembersCurrently
at City Hall when the mask mandate
was dropped on a statewide basis we
alsoDo not require masks be borne by
those coming into City Hall, we
encourage people to do that but we
would anticipate at least at this
time that would be the practice
within the council chambers itself.So
and with the new technology we would
hope that people would be able to
ExperienceA meeting both virtually in
person and that is what we are
striving forAnd so if there's any
other specifics we can try to answer
those or we can follow up later with
additional information. One way I
would say is I think I shared with
Council our staff and working very
hard on this and so they just did a
final testing last week to make sure
People we couldn't afford
technologically and we would be
providing additional information
Council as far as anything that you
should be aware ofThis weekThe next
meeting 2 weeks from tonight on June
6.
>>Further questions, councilmember
Roberts?
>>No, thank you.
>>Councilmember Moore?
>>My apologies, I must not understand
this clearly. So does this
resolution for the parks board, the
planning commission and the city
Council indicate that it is mandatory
that allOf the people who are on
those commissions or the Council of
peer in person unless there is a
state of emergency that says we
cannot simply come?
>>Ms. King?
>>No, what it does is before the
resolution mandated that they only be
virtual and that everybody had, no
one could come into a meeting and so
what this would do is undo that
mandate that everything be fully
vulture virtual and then it allows
Like councilmember McConnell pointed
outSome hybrid form which can allow
Members of the commission or the
parks board to attendRemotely as well
as in person as well as the public to
do so. To set answer your question?
>>I think so. Would there be a
specific protocol that would need to
be followed, for instance, if the
parks board memberDidn't feel
comfortable coming to one meeting but
did feel more comfortable coming to
the other, would they be able to just
, Would they have the link and be
able to zoom in? Or appear in person
and it's not requiring a specific
communication or is thatAhead of
time?
>>That I'm going have to defer to the
technological people, but I would say
that as far as attending remotely we
have done that prior to COVID-19 and
if a particular member could not
attend in person they could call in
by phone, we have that technology.
So I think it's going to be just a
matter of how you access the new
technology, and I will have to defer
to other people that are much moreUp
to date on the technology.
>>The Simulcik Smith?
>>Yes, so the Council Chambers has
had the hybrid equipment installed
and our other conference rooms are on
the schedule to be installed
currently we have been battlingBack
order of critical equipment. Room
303, which the park board typically
meets in, that room should be
Installed soon. If we get the
equipment on the timeline they last
gave us.
>>Thank you. Thank you, Mayor.
>>Thank you. I would add is a
Council we considered sort of how we
are going to implement this during
our retreat we considered various
leasing mechanisms and we also
decided we didn't want to do that,
Council members are free to decide
for themselves whether and how often
they choose toDo it remotely. I will
extend to the boards and commissions.
We are proposing a hybrid model
wears totally optional how you
participate and obviously will take
it as it goes and if it turns out
something isn't working we may have
to re-visit it. But for now
councilmembers are able to attend
completely remotely for as long as
they need to. Were there other
questions or comments from Council?
The Simulcik Smith, will you please
call the boat?
>>
[CALLING ROLL]
>>Thank you, the motion passes
unanimously. Next up is now I 18
which is a public hearing discussion
on 951To the extension of the interim
regulations beyond those provided in
shoreline municipal code do COVID-19
impacts. It's a public hearing so we
will have the staff presentation 1st
and then the public hearing. I
believe Mr. Bauer will present.
>>Eye and promoting Mr. Bauer right
now.
>>Good evening, Mayor and Council.
REMICADE evening, go ahead whenever
you're ready.So yes, tonight I am
here to present proposed ordinance
number 965 which would extend for
another 6 months the interim
regulations for the outdoor seating
to provide for ongoing flexibility in
response to the COVID-19 pandemic.And
if I could advance the slide here,
Here we go. So the interim
regulations, they were as you recall
1st adopted in July 2020, they have
been extended 3 times. The latest
extension is due to expire June 21
unless actions taken to extend them.
The interim regulations before you
tonight would establish or continue
to establish, rather, no fee
registration process for the seating
areas on private property and then
also the expedited permit review for
areas in the right-of-way. They
don't change any regulations related
to the safety.
Staff anticipates this would be the
last extension needed as the planning
commission just last week at a study
session on the draft regulations to
allow outdoor seating on private
property on a permanent basis. The
planning commission scheduled to hold
a hearing on permit regulations on
July 21 meeting and recommendation
the Council will be expected
following that hearing. As of today,
there is currently 2 businesses that
continue to operate under the interim
regulations.Tonight is the public
hearing on the six-month extension
and potential action is scheduled to
come back to CouncilFor the June 6
meeting. With that, will turn it
back over to they what back.
>>Thank you. Since this is a public
hearing I will open up the public
hearing for comment on this agenda
item only.Has anyone signed up for
this particular public hearing?
>>No one registered for this item.
>>For the folks in the attendee list,
if you'd like to speak on this item,
please raise your hand.Seeing none I
am going to go ahead and close the
public hearing at this point this is
an action item, this is not an action
item, study action item. Are there
questions or discussion from Council?
Epi Mayor Iversen?
>>Thank you, Mayor. I'm glad that we
did this, I think was great response
to what was happening in our
community during the pandemic. I am
happy to support another extension
and also happy to see we have some
permanent recommendation headed our
way soon so thank you for your work
on this. The one thing I called out
as I was reading again is that a part
ofThe ordinanceSuspends minimum
offstreet parking requirements, so I
am just going to like drop this for
the future reference. As we continue
to focus on making neighborhoods
multi-modal I would be interested in
looking further at reducing the
minimum requirements for offstreet
parking for food and drinking
establishments. That just my little
soapbox on this and I look forward to
supporting it when it comes back
traction.
>>Thank you. Councilmember McConnell?
>>Thank you, Mayor. Just wanted to
say this is a great idea. I'm a
little disappointed with the lack of
participation but may be I am not
going to the areas where it's more
viable. But downtown, you could
hardly go on the sidewalk because
there is more tables and restaurants
that didn't have outdoor seatingEven
last year or something. So nobody
seems to mind that they are eating on
the sidewalk. Nobody seems to mind
that (INAUDIBLE) walked by and quite
honestly I can see what's on the menu
by looking on people's tables. Thank
you for the staff and the Council to
be so flexible for this sort of
thing, because eating is, eating and
socializing is a great activity that
we can do a little bit more safely
outdoors duringThis pandemic which I
hope I never have to live through
another one. Thank you.
>>Thank you, councilmember. Other
other comments or questions from
Council?Seeing none, just sad I
remember when this 1st came up at the
very beginning of the pandemic and we
talked about various models which we
can regulate this and what Council
said unanimously back then was let's
get it out of the way and let this
happen. Let's make it it is easy as
possible as cheap as possible and see
what happens. I am not disappointed,
I'm not surprised we haven't had more
participation in it, just the way our
city is structured and as the city
changes I hope these regulations
become permanent we start getting
businesses, Start to build around
this concept that we can have
something like Edmonds we can have a
public street scene that we all
participate in. We've got parts of
that, North city Richmond Beach
there's other neighborhoods. This
other neighborhoods where that starts
and I'm hoping we can develop even
further as time goes on in these
regulations only encourage it.
Councilmember Roberts?
>>Thank you, Mayor. I just wanted to
say I could your sentiments.I think
that there is optimism in sort of
looking forward with developments
around light-rail stations, I think
there's going to beAs our previous
economic development director talked
about is that place making field and
that's whatYou have a certain number
of businesses as councilmember
McConnell talked about sort of
vibrancy of the street, That sort of
brings people to get out, that brings
and one business to business is doing
especially if they're working near
each other start to have that
streetscape where people commentAnd
want to sort of come and lingerAnd say
that place looks interesting. So I
am very excited about this and I
think when paired with ourThe review
of our regulations that are coming in
shortly I think we have this great
opportunity to sort of make shoreline
especially our light rail station
areas very vibrant place. Thank you,
Mayor.
>>Thank you. Any other questions or
comments?Seeing none, when we do see
this comeback?
>>This is scheduled for action on
June 6.
>>Is there, was councils opinions on
consent? And you do a thumbs up on
consent? Okay. It looks like
unanimous thumbs up. Let's put it
consent and thank you for the
excellent presentation.
Next up a study item 9A, discussion
of 9166 amending the shoreline
municipalCode deferring underground
facilities. Since my screen is it
working I don't know the staff
members.
>>I will be presenting this item
tonight. John Noris, city manager,
good evening, Mayor, Deputy Mayor,
and Council pick with me tonight as
well is tritium
: Our city engineer. So she will
answer any questions as well that the
Council may have. And this is a
discussionAs the mayor mentioned and
you can see the title of the ordinance
on our slide here. Just by way of
background as Council recallsOn
February 28 you discuss the required
electrical utility under grounding in
the South Shore line 148 light rail
station area and the challenges that
both sound transit members of the
development community were having
with regard to meeting the cities
underground code given the delay
Seattle city lights Fifth Avenue duct
bank project which is an underground
project replacingThree-phase
electrical cable that is currently in
the ground running north-south
up-and-down Fifth Avenue North East.
Given the delay, sound transit is a
private developers expressed the city
and Seattle city light the need for
both overheadTemporary construction
three-phase powerTo construct their
large projects and for that overhead
interim power to continue to energize
Or operationalize their new
developments until that duct bank
project is complete. On March 7 the
city Council adopted ordinance 958
which addressed the 1st issue, so
that was that allowed for temporary
construction powerAnd tonight
bringing you back ordinance 966 take
a look at the 2nd issue there that
Council discussed on February 28. So
in front of Council tonight is
ordinance 966 which provides for new
section of the municipal code which
is section 1320 060, so this is all
newMunicipal code language in that
section. It allows for interim
overhead power within the limited area
If a property owner who would need
that power to operationalize their
property enters into what we are
calling a deferred underground
facilities agreement or Adolfo for
short, Everything needs an acronym so
that's the acronym we have chosen.
The deaf would be good for 5 years
from the date of the issuance of the
development permits for development
project or for projects that of
already been issued development
permit such as the sound transit
project, the five-year timeframe
would start on the potential adoption
of this code section about Council
does approve this which is currently
scheduled for June 6, 2 weeks from
now. The code will also allow for12
year extension if through no fault of
the applicant Seattle city light
underground project is not completed
within the five-year timeframe and
the applicant requesting the deaf oh
would need to design and construct
underground electrical utility
infrastructureWhich is typically an
underground vault that would go on
their property are potentially in the
city right-of-way to make for that
future connection, so that would have
to be agreed to in the deaf at that
they would construct that as part of
their development project. So that
that future underground connection
could be made and they would also
need to initiate a permit in the
future of Seattle city light doesn't
do this automatically to make sure
Seattle city light bins connects their
Fifth Avenue duct bank underground
project to their development in the
future. So we want to make sure that
the development is ready for that
underground connection and that the
connection is made in the future.
This is the map of the proposed stuff
at designated area, so it is the area
outlined in the orange
triangular-shaped there, the reason
why this initial designated area was
selected as this is basically the
rough outline of whereThe 1st 10
blocks of the Fifth Avenue duct bank
project were served, so it doesn't
serve obviously the entireEast area,
if you will, of the148 station area
as Council may recall, there is
overhead three-phase power running
north and south up and down 8th
Avenue, and so any developmentIn the
eastern portion of the light rail
station area out to the east of that
orange line would likely be served
through the connection that would
determine where that connection would
be but this is whyThis initial
designated area was selected.
Obviously the designated area could
be expanded if there is a need to do
that. But on the February 28 staff
heard from Council the desire to keep
this, keep these regulations as tight
as possible and so identifying the
designated area around where that
Fifth Avenue duct bank project will
serve was what was selectedFor your
consideration tonight.
So finally it's ordinance 966 has a
component for requirements of the
electric utility service provider in
the city which of course is Seattle
city light. It would require them to
coordinate and perform work for these
interim overhead facilities. This
includes appropriate design and
construction of the interim power
goals, we do not want those goals and
wires to once installed to preclude
any future development. We want to
make sure the setbacks, the height of
those poles and wires, there are
specific setbacks needed, Seattle
city light has requirements of
setbacks from their infrastructure,
want to make sure that is in
precluding any future, so there's a
requirement that they are designed
and that by way on the utility also
requirement for attending new goal of
the overhead pulse from city light
once the duct bank is completed and
the code also provides for
enforcement provisions against city
light if they fail to comply with
this code. Again, we have been
Sharing this information with key
stakeholders. You can see the
stakeholders there including Seattle
city light. This is a fairly
complicated issue, at least has been
for myself if there a lot of
intricacies to it, we at the staff
level did not want to create any
unintended consequences so in the
future a stakeholder could not meet
code requirements. I was helpful to
receive feedback. Some that feedback
was incorporated into the code in
front Council tonight. As well as I
hopefully Council is aware I did
provide an additional memo to Council
today, we did receive some additional
feedback. Last week after the staff
report was issued and I am happy to
provideAny questions or answer any
questions Council may have about
that. Staff in that memo did
proposed, of a friendly amendment, if
you will, to what is in proposed
ordinance 966, which is in the
Council packet given the intricacies
of pole removal, so it's not just
Seattle city light that is removing
their polls. And most cases they are
also telecommunication companies that
are hanging their wires, so to speak,
are attaching their wires to Seattle
city light poles as part of the
removal process those
telecommunication or fiber-optic or
cable companies are doing that
removal, and so the feedback received
from city light is we want to make
sure to provide enough time for all
of that work to happen so that those
interim poles again once the
underground project is complete can
be removed in a timely way while we
are still able in our code to kind of
hold accountable city light to make
sure that work is accomplished.
No action is required tonight with
regard to a recommendation from
staff. This is an opportunity for
Council asking questions of staff
regarding this, providing feedback,
staff does recommend adoption of
ordinance 966 when this is brought
back to Council on June 6. Again,
with those staff recommended
amendments as I just mentioned and I
do have those on the slide, I would
be happy to pull that up if Council
has any specific questions about
that. With that, happy to answer any
questions. Make any questions or
comments from Council?Councilmember
Roberts?
>>Thank you. I have a couple of
questions and then questions about
the proposed amendment. The 1st
question is in your do for, is that
how we're describing this?It includes
some annual are 45 zone. And the
ordinance that was adopted earlier
this year, we limited under sort of
temporary underground or overhead
wires to him you are 70. Do we need
to go back andRevisit that ordinance
to includeMR 45, or make it even
tighter and say that develop sort of
this do for language for that
ordinance as well?
>>Great question, councilmember, and
staff did have this discussion about
reconciling the allowance for
temporary construction power poles in
the right-of-way which is only in MMU
are 70 as you rightly pointed out.It
is most likely thatAn agency or
developer applying for a do for would
likelyTakeAn interim power pole that
would be allowed, and then utilize
that on an operational basis. So
that would, again, those temporary
construction power poles are only
allowed the MER 70, so Council could
go back and we did not bring this
forward as part of this ordinance,
expand into the M you are 45 as you
mentioned, that allowance for
Temporary construction power poles.
It is possible that there may be a
need or there could be a time at
which there is a need for an interim
power that wasn't constructed off of
a temporary power pole. You could
also scale backThe designated Duff
area, as you mentioned, kinda make
that orange area a little tighter. I
think there may be some proposed
development and then him you are 45
Zone in the future, so that may then
preclude them fromAgain utilizing
this until that Fifth Avenue duct
bank project is complete. You would
have a dude out for Bates Avenue in
here for mems of the development
community, that may be a challenge
for them to then incorporate that
cost in their development projects.
So all of those are options for
Council. We felt like having an
inconsistency at the outsetIsn't
necessarily a problem. It may be
that Council and I guess from staff's
recommendation our recommendation
initially on temporary construction
goals was not to limit it just the
MER 70 area or MER 70 zone and soYou
could go back and fix that in the
future.
>>We are not adopting the do for zone
itself. We're just saying that there
(INAUDIBLE).
>>That's correct. The way that the
code as currently proposed allows for
the director, which is director of
public works, to identify what that
zone is, the map that was included
was soCouncil was aware of what
staffs intention would be as an
initial map and it would be staffs
intention to just expand the map, we
would do that very judiciously, I'm
sure we would share with Council
before there was anyChange to that,
so it doesn't impact the code.
>>My 2nd question isAround the
temporary pulls. I know normally
Seattle city light is renting their
space through a variety of different
utilities, Most notably cable, but at
least today cablePreviously unmet was
telephone wires and the like and
probably still is.The question is
There's nothing in the code that
prohibits Seattle city light from
renting temporary poles for these
projects. We have the sense from
Seattle city light they are planning
to rent those poles for these
processes?
>>Yes, because some of these polls
may replace existing single phase
poles I think it is likely thatThe
telecom or fiber-optic whole
attacher's that is kind of the term
we use, so those other companies that
are attaching to Seattle city light
poles very well may be on these
interim poles. In speaking with
their economic development program
managerThis code again allows for
operational power for future
development projects, and it is
likely that fiber-optic or telecom
providers very well may way want,
that may be the easiest connection in
the interim is to use these interim
poles to connect to those future
development projects until, again,
the duct bank project is complete. So
We don't quite know exactly what the
future would hold, but it's our sense
that it's likely that these polls
would have those 3rd parties attached
to them.
>>Thank you. My my last question is
about the specific amendment and in
the deed to be, both in the amendment
and in the sort of original draft, it
talks about 2 different things, the
completely capital project, and then
you have the connection.There seems
like there could be some difference
of when the connection can occur
before the project is complete. I
mean at least in theory is there may
be other work that has to be done
after the connectionIs done. So I'm
wondering if there needs to be some
clarity about what is the time point
the clock starts, whether it'sThe
actual connection or the completion
of the project? I don't know if, I am
wondering if it needs to be cleaned
up before it's adopted is my comment
at this point.
>>Mayor, if I can respond to that.
>>Please do.
>>Yes, great point, definitelyI know
it gets a little wordy here in terms
of what we are proposing. I think
the intent was and we can deafly take
a look at to make sure we're not using
Different terms for the same meaning.
I think the point is onceThe
underground project is energized and
so I guess that would be kind of when
it's connection is made they can then
stop using those overhead facilities
to energizeWhatever future
development project or transit
project or the AAA project asunder
permitting nowAnd that at that point
the wires that are on the interim
overhead poles can be removed from,
by Seattle city light, that would be
the 1st step, they would go in and
remove the wires and transformers and
other facilities is our understanding
of what the sequencing is. Then
typicallyAny attackers, any of the
telecommunication companies, cable
companies and the like were going
sequentially remove all of their
wires and then Seattle city light as
the polymer would come in and finally
remove the pole. So yes, if there
is, we can deafly take a look if
there's cleanup needed in terms of we
are using both construction and
connection interchangeably, We don't
want that in the code, so there isn't
confusion about what the trigger
point would be. So will deftly take
a closer look at that.Yes, we were,
the intent wasn't to have different
meanings for those terms, I really it
was once that underground project is
energized and the connection to those
buildings is how power is now being
provided, that's when the overhead
wires, power isn't being provided the
overhead and then all those wires.
>>Thank you.
>>Thank you. Councilmember Pobee?
>>Thank you, Mayor. I think part of
my question has been partially
answered, I think councilmember
Roberts did ask that, but just for
clarity sake and thank you, Mr.
Norris, I always enjoy when we have
developers making a lot of the
investment in our city and especially
just put in the infrastructure by the
things which is necessary to keep the
city up and running. I would
experienceLike we don't want any of
these errors that come back in for us
to address again. Just to clarify,
you said on point number 4 and slide
3 requires developer to install
underground infrastructure and that's
not just for construction base. That
is after. So I'm wondering,When in
the process does it take place? Is it
before permit? And is it already
going to be in the permitting process
just like we have the traffic impact
analysis as part of the whole
permitting process?
>>Yes, so the deaf a would require
thatThe underground, and I'm just
going to use the term vault, it's
typically a vault or a box, a big
metal box that's underground, and
that is where the connection is made
between the public underground
projects, Seattle city lights
project, and then the connection to,
let's say a multifamily development.
Generally, andTricia Young key, are
city engineers here, so I'm going to
not ask you to answer but if I get
out on a limb and don't answer
correctly, priests jump in and
correct me. Generally, that work is
done as part of the development
project. So obviously the developer
needs to make sure the connection to
their building is there, so they are
running all of their internal lines
on their propertyAnd into their
development. The duffel would
require that that underground
electrical connection infrastructure,
that Volt, be completedPrior to the
development being completed. Can so
we want to make sure that there is an
agreement that says that this is
going to happen and the development
will be able to basically accept
underground power. What we don't
want to do is get into a situation
where a developer says I will just do
that later and they're not able,
then, to accept underground power when
their operational powers going to be
served through these overhead wires
in this interim basis. So that's the
point of that agreement, and we are
asking developer to say yes, I will
make sure this is part of my
development project.So you want to,
if it's really an assurance that on
the development sideThat the
development will be ready to make
that underground connection. So
that's the whole pointOf part of this
agreement between the city and the
developer is we are getting an
assurance that that work is going to
be done in the development will be
ready for that connection.
>>Thank you, I appreciate that. I
really enjoy the part that there's
going to be in agreementThe people
can be held accountable. Thank you.
>>Any other questions or comments
from Council?All right. Seeing none,
other than the unfortunate acronym,
is there any objection to this as
amended by staff being added to the
consent calendar? Thumbs-up?
Councilmember Roberts is so so, let's
go ahead and put this on as an action
item on the next meeting.Mr. Noris,
when will that happen?
>>Is currently scheduled for June 6,
Mayor, so we can bring it back at
that time.
>>Let's look forward to it as an
action and on June 6. Next up is
964, planning and community
development staffing request to
support increased development permit
volume, believe Miss Marple is doing
the presentation.
>>She is joining as a panelist right
now.
>>Hi, Miss Marco. Whenever you're
ready.
>>Anything. Just wait a 2nd for the
presentation a pop up. Thank you to
Jessica.
So good evening, Mayor and Council.
We really appreciate this opportunity
to prevent a plan to you for
additional permanent staffing.
Development has been occurring at an
increased and sustained rate since
about 2015 multiple subareas
throughout the city. Not only are
the number of places for people to
live increasing but much of the
housing is being built green and with
20% of the units being affordable as
a requirement to participate in the
cities incentive programs. With
this, the skill set for staff and the
time it takes staff to do review of
permits has grown with these
requirements and incentives to
achieve certified green standards in
the adoption of more stringent
version of the state energy code
which will continue to be amended to
reduce consumption by 70% in 2031. I
am also stormwater critical area
resident of a to become more complex
to administer as well. I say all
this to the combination of the
increased volume of permit
applications which is representative
of the success of the planning that
councils have done in the areas to
create transit oriented development
and the increased complexity of the
reviews and inspection along with
other factors that are noted in the
staff report, it's now a challengeAnd
it's begun to exceed the city's
ability to provide predictable and
timely reviews and permit issuance.
So now we are seeking budget
amendment to hire additional staff to
provide permitting services. The
additional requested staff are
expected to bring our around of 1st
reviews back to within the 2019
averages which are shown in the staff
report.
So the proposal is for 6.5 full-time
equivalent employees. The 2
development engineers traffic
engineer senior planner permanent
technician and administrative
assistant to would be working almost
exclusively on permanent processing.
The addition of these reviewers would
allow for the creation of what we are
calling 1/5 group to provide reviews
to process largely the new buildings,
the traffic engineer 2 will provide
Support to permitting for new
buildings and major remodels as well
as a variety of other development
projects. Currently the traffic
review can become a bottleneck in the
process due to the resource being
really spread thin over a lot of
divisions throughout the city. The
administrative insistent is intended
to provide overall support for
permitting tasks such as project
noticing, applicant registration,
processing of revisions, etc. with
the idea that this would relieve the
group reviewers from having to
perform some of these tasks creating
more time for them to complete
reviews, thereby reducing turnaround
time for permits. We are also
requesting the ability to increaseAn
existing GIS position from a .5 FTE
to a full-time employee. I believe
the .5 is already approved and this
would just make it into a one
full-time employee and this request
comes from administrative services
Dear call the city's functional plans
will need to be updated in the next
couple of years and all required GIS
resources, the budgets to complete
these updates the plans include or
will include money for GIS
assistance, the idea here is to
combine the resources that have or
will be allocated to GIS support for
the functional plans and instead
combine those resources to fund the
other half of the GIS technician. We
estimate the approval of this request
Could reduce permits around time by
about 20% if not more. We are making
the request in advance of the '23-'24
by annual budget to buy time to
recruit and train the staffApproval
to hire these staff positions will
certainly reduce permit review
timelines but it's not necessarily
the end-all be-all to achieveWhat our
customers are looking for for
turnaround time so we may need to
request additional permitting staff
in the future budget cycle.
I wanted to take a minute and point
this out, I'm sorry there's an error
in your staff report, this slide
corrects that information here, I
neglected to carryover the costs that
are proposed to be paid for from the
wastewater utility to the total cost
column. This shows you what
should've been in your staff report,
I am sorry about that.So but that,
this slide is about how we propose
that this could all be paid for, this
request, the proposal would largely
be paid for by permit revenue from
increased sustained permanent
activity, one-time contribution from
the general fund balance to offset
the green and affordable housing
incentives which waive things like
permit fees, Small percentage would
be covered by the wastewater utility
because we do, We would be doing
wastewater reviews with the
development engineer positionAs well
as our current wastewater review
specialist and we also are as I
explained looking to use project
budgets for the plan updates to fund
the GIS position. Based on the fact
that 92% of the projected permit
revenue has already been collected as
of the beginning of May for the
biennium we feel confidentThat in
recommending that these positions can
be funded almost entirely by permit
revenue into the foreseeable future
and there's information, of course,
your staff report that explains that
a little further.
And I will just put the
recommendation up for now, but this
item could be brought back to the
Council if desired on July 25. Thank
you very much for your consideration
of this request. Please let me know
if you have any questions.
>>Thank you, Miss Markel. Further
questions or comments from Council?
Councilmember Pobee?
>>Thank you so much. I appreciate
how you surprised me because I did it
and I saw the slide and its change.
So surprise. All right. I was just
wondering, now we have possibly
enough revenue coming in for funding,
so thinking of revenue source. But
then to fund all these positions, how
about a projection in the future? Can
we see some forecasting in case
revenue for permitsWas the back half,
how are we going to sustain all these?
>>Where would you like me to
responders that just a request for
the future?
>>I would appreciate your response.
I'm not sure what councilmember Pobee
was looking for.
>>You said you would.
>>Yes, please.
>>We will be doing projections for
the biennial budget and as part of
what we looked at for this staff
report where all the different
projects that were in the pipeline
and we have like 7000 units that are
very, How should I put it? Nothing is
ever a done deal, but these permits
have gone a long way and been in
projection for a good long while,
property is been purchased, options
have been purchased, we've been
tracking them for quite some time and
our feeling is that through 2025 when
the station opens that these projects
Are veryDefinite. And then we also
have indications from pre-application
meetings of future projects thatAre
in the works and that shows what's
going to happen most likely past
2025, of course he gets a little
murky the further you go out and
there are many variables in between
For with regard to the level of
development that we are seeing
currently and 3 2025 we can expect
the revenue to remainAt I would say
the $7 million plus per biennium that
we currently have and had I believe
last year or last biennium as well.
All very general at this point.
>>Anything further, councilmember?
>>I would be more comfortable if we
have that showing projections just
for planning purposes. Thank you.
>>Miss Terry?
>>What I will add is as I've worked
with our budget staff on looking at
this proposal we have also been in
the process of updating our 10 year
forecast andWe believe that based on
the projections that Miss Markel
discussed that we would be able to
sustain the funding for these
positions through the next 2
biennium's car for the next 4 years,
and obviously gets a little bit more
difficult after that, but again,
these are positions by development
revenue, Not that anyone wants to be
in this position, but if we were to
start to see a sudden decline in the
future, then we would have to address
that from a staffing perspective.
The other piece I would say is that
we get the revenue upfrontOr a large
part of it, and then there is still
much review time, so even a lot of
the revenue that we are seeing we
really cover work that's going to be
happeningThrough the beginning of the
next biennium. So I don't think that
we couldGuarantee anything beyondThe
next to Byam's for sure because
things can change, but I think we
also recognize that this is work that
is tied to a specific revenue source
and will continue to have to monitor
what that workload is and if things
were to have significant change than
we would have to make personnel
adjustments.
>>Thank you, Miss Terry.
>>Councilmember Roberts?
>>Thank you. Councilmember Ramsdell
Lowered his hand?
>>He did, we will go back to him.
>>Okay. I deafly do support this and
I appreciate the staff recommendation
That Council supported they will
start the hiring process nowAnd with
an ordinance to follow. Obviously
Can't hire anyone without the
ordinanceBut at least we can start
the process, getting applications in
and the like. But I think what is,
what I really like about this is that
From 2019 to 2021 or additions for
single-family residential, You've
almost doubled your couple of year
period. Can it's good that there's a
lot ofActivity, butWhen you are
trying to remodel, If you have to
wait just doubleEvery week waiting
for a permit is, it feels like a very
lengthy time and to see that double
Amount of time is difficult.So I hope
that this proposal will sort of
address not only sort of multifamily
but alsoThose additional models, the
sort of mid tier, not quite
over-the-counter but often much
simpler permits than building a new
facility. Thank you, Mayor.
>>Thank you.Debbie Mayor Robertson?
>>Thank you, Mayor Pete my comments
are going to echo councilmember
Roberts. I was pleased, very
delighted, to see this request come
through. I do think our staff
planning staff has been stretched too
thin, I think those wait times are
far too long and I look forward to
not just supporting this with seeing
those numbers come down across the
board, not just for the big
development prefer the single-family
homes as councilmember Robert said.
Thank you.
>>Councilmember Ramsdell?
>>Thank you, Mayor. I just reiterate
councilmember Roberts comment
regarding remodels for single-family
homes, I am actually going through it
right now, we submitted a permitFor a
12 x 12 deck and we were told that it
would be 17 weeks before the permit
would be approved, so we really
looking forward to havingA deck this
summer. Please hireStaff as soon as
possible. Thank you.
>>Thank you. Councilmember Mark and
I apologize for the hide and seek
with the hand thing. We were working
at cross purposes.
>>No problem. I would like to echo
my colleagues comments, I completely
agree on the planning commission,
Planning departments ads. I am
really encouraged that with the
amount of the green building and
appreciate that does take longer to
get done and want to see it done
correctly, but director Marco, if I
could get you to put back up your
slide that shows the positions,
please? It would make it easier for
me to ask my more specific question.
The GIS person, I know how important
they are for in all aspects to the
city, so again, I do not question
that. I can appreciateHow it's
needed. I share concerns about the
future, but for these positions, it
seems very logical that they are
required, and I can understand that
the traffic engineer may be, It would
be in high demand and there seems to
be lots of work for traffic engineers
in the city of Shoreline, But I am
not clear on the development review
engineers. We have just and 2021,
the city Council added quite
significantly toThe number of people
that were in the Department of Public
Works, and I am not quite clear, Some
of them were associated with
wastewater utilities, so just like to
have a little bit better
understanding, please, if you could
elaborate a little bit more on what
those people are doingThat speeds up
thePermit approval process, please?
>>Mayor, if I may, be glad to answer
that question.
>>Please.
>>Tricia Yankee I think is still
here, if anything needs to be added.
The review engineers are really part
of the permitting process, 1st and
foremost. They are not part of
general public works capital programs
or utilities per se.They support
permitting. They are just like a
planner, they are just like a plans
examiner, those 5 groups that do
permitting, we can't issue the
permits without most of those new
buildings without a development
review engineer doing their part,
they do the site development permits,
they do connections between the
right-of-way and the building itself.
So they are very much so dedicated
to permitting. And they haven't had
an increase in the number, we haven't
had an increase in the number of
development review engineers in a few
years. I don't know in the last one
was added, but there are 3 of those
currently, 3 development review
engineers, and really, if we make 1
of the new, If we make a line for
permitting a review that is equal, if
we didn't have all 5 teams be equal
it would create aAnother bottleneck
because we would be funneling in 5
people's worth of work into 3 person
team and they need to be equivalent
in order to not create bottlenecks.
To set help answer the questions we
>>It does, I really appreciate it.
The one aspect, though, that I'm not
I don't understand is theAdditional
positions that were added in 2021 and
the Sam key, you may be in a better
position answer that. To they have
no relationship at all to permitting?
>>Years was specifically to the new
positions that were added for the
wastewater utility? Ann yes, ma'am.
2021.
>>Yes, in the '21 budget affected
2022 that we have just finished
getting close to finish hiring on?
Only 1 of those positions has a
tertiary support for development
review. 1 of the E2 positions was
geared towards helping on operational
side. They could provide some
support, not really support but they
will be a resource for development
review when it comes to understanding
the system. Those positions were
more in line of reducing our reliance
on the consultant as well, we are
currentlyWastewater specialist that
does do permit reviewDoes rely on the
consultant for understanding how the
system works, where their capacity
issues, things like that. In the
future, that would go toward 1 of
their FTEs instead of to the
consultant.But in general those new
positions do not provide significant
development review support.
>>Thank you. 1 of the concerns I
think that we all have is we want the
city to function efficiently, but we
don't want toBuild something so big
that we can't sustain it.And it
difficult decisions in the future and
none of us know what the future is.
So I want to be very cautious in
making sure we are only putting
people on that, We really truly need
to solve problems that we see for the
foreseeable future at this time.Thank
you.
>>Any further comments or questions
for Council?All right, we'll just
add, I appreciate the desire to not
hire people we can't retain. That
is, of course, goal, we want to
provide a good job for a buddy we
want to not have inconsistencies.
Our customer base, are citizensAnd
right now for a variety of reasons we
are in a boom time and I have heard
so many times in the limited specter
my been sort about about post
pandemic so many times folks have
told me we can't get permits done.
That's coming from business,
homeowners, I'm hearing that more
than I am stuff about sidewalks and
trees which in shoreline means it's
the forefront issue. I want to fix
that. And I am, I don't want to hire
somebody in 18 months down the road
Sam sorry we don't have a job, but as
long as we are honest and open about
that, for me, that concern to provide
consistency in employment is way less
than the need to provide expedited
permit returns or even average
permanent returns. We are falling
behind on a lot of things. I've
heard a lot of frustration from folks
trying to get stuff done, not only in
our sort of high density areas for
just and regular areas that I don't,
I support this, and I hope it's
sustainable, but if we come back in
18 months in the construction climate
has changed, that's a sacrifice I'm
personally willing to make because I
think there is a defined need right
now. I've heard some dissent on
Council so unless someone wants to
raise their hand I think this should
come back as an action item. Would
anyone like to propose a consent item?
Okay. So Miss Markel, when will we
see this as an action item?
>>Suggested was July 25.
>>Miss Terry, did you have something
to add?
>>I was going to reiterate what
councilmember Roberts had said and
was in the staff report, we will move
forward with starting the hiring
process, we anticipate the ordinance
would come backBefore we actually
hired any individuals but I just
wanted to make sure Council was
comfortable with that process.
>>Is there any objection to Miss Terry
Hiring?That's a bit cart before the
horse but my understanding is you
won't make a final offer unless the
finding is in place. Is that
accurate?Any other questions or
comments on this action item, study
item? Seeing none, that brings us to
the last study item which is
discussion of ordinance number 967
authorizing the use of eminent domain
for acquisition of certain real
property. And I think it's Ms. King
who is presenting.
>>Can you hear me?
>>Ahead whenever you're ready.
>>Thank you. You have ordinance 967
discussion on authorizing the use of
eminent domain
>>I apologize. I knew about this and
again I forgot. Councilmember
Connell, go ahead?
>>Thank you. I thought I'm just
going to start butting in. Because I
want to get off-line. I wanted to
let the public know and of course the
Council already knows that I will
continue to recuse myself from this
topic and further discussion. There
were at least one executive sessions
regarding that and I neverWas at
those either. SoI am going to sign
off and wish you all a good evening.
Thank you, Mayor.
>>Thank you. Councilmember O'Connell
lives on the street in question and
has chosen to recuse herself. Have a
good night. Ms. King, I apologize,
go ahead.
>>No, thank you, Mayor, I have
forgotten to give her the opportunity.
What you have here is ordinance 967,
discussed the authorization of the
use of eminent domain for the
acquisition of second-class tidelands
for public purposes. Except for the
Second-class tidelands associated
with Richmond Beach saltwater ParkIn
the city of Shoreline Puget Sound
shoreline is in private ownership,
and that's primarily ownership of
Burlington (INAUDIBLE).I am not
seeing my clicker. There we go.Here
is a picture of the access points on
the left side is the Richmond Beach
saltwater Park pedestrian bridge, the
access to the city poolside lens in
the mid-the bindle is an authorized
act grade crossing across the BNSF
railroad as well to the BNSF on
tidelands, and then to the right is
(INAUDIBLE) Park where there is an
unauthorized crossing to again BNSF
owned tidelands.This ordinance would
authorize the use of eminent domain
for the property identified with the
star on the screen. As provided in
RCW Chapter 8.12, the propertyWhen
acquired would add Lanson city's
public park systems, specifically
additional second-class tidelands.
Of course just compensation will be
paid and provided to the property
owner. The city's consultant has
reached out to the property owner and
the objective is to negotiate a
purchase and sale agreement with the
property owner and eminent domain
would only be used if those efforts
failed after good faith negotiations
are exhausted.We would be following
all the statutory requirements with
respect to eminent domain as far as
valuation offers as well as the
notice the mayor required to provide.
This would increase the city on
tidelands by approximately 2.6 acres.
As you can see it would provide
access for the red arrow across the
public bridge and then up 27th Ave.
NW., it would connect the city on
tidelands to the south that are
associated with Richmond Beach
saltwater Park and it responds to the
land survey request to require
shorelineEach access.I think there is
no action required tonight, Council
is to discuss and provide feedback on
the ordinance and whether to
authorize the use of eminent domain.
The actual action on that issue will
be is currently scheduled for June 6,
2022. And with that I am ready for
any questions.
>>This is a study item, so are there
questions or comments from Council?
Councilmember Ramsdell?
>>Thank you, Mayor, I don't want to
play hide and seek this time. So I
am wondering about the27thSection
that there seems to be some dispute
about who owns thatStreet.I've seen
some information that indicates that
BNSF owns or has a right-of-way for
the entirety of that street and other
information says that's not the case
where the Richmond Beach preservation
SocietyAsserts that the street is
split in 2, half of it belongs to
BNSF and half of it belongs to the
property owners. Did you have any
clarification regarding that issue?
>>I do not have any clarification on
that particular issue here tonight.
That would be a separate issue that
would be separate and apart from the
ordinance that's in front of the
Council tonight, which is solely
focused on these particular tidelands
. But I can certainly look into that
if the Council would like me to look
into that issue separately.
>>Further questions or comments?
>>I would like to have some clarity
on that issue.The other question I
have is regarding access to the
beach. Currently there is 1 of the
comments that I have heard is there's
really to get safe access to the beach
you need to use that 27thLane get
access to the beach. GiveThe
alternatives are to my understanding
we have to go over the railroad and
kind of scramble over rocks to get to
the beach it's my understanding
correct?
>>To this particular beachOr to the
beach in general?
>>To that particular area of the
beach?
>>If you don't utilize 27? You have
to go over the right-of-way? I will
let Miss Terry address this issue,
because she knows the area actually
better than I do.
>>I just wanted to remind Council we
have also made application to
Burlington Northern for requesting
lease access to their right-of-way
That would allow people to traverse to
this tideland when they're coming
from the north, people will be able
to access this tideland if they're
coming from the south result
waterpark. So it depends on where
you're coming from, but we do not
have an answer yet from Burlington
NorthernOn our release requestBut we
have made that application.
>>Thank you, that's all the questions
I have for the time being.
>>To Epi Mayor Robertson?
>>Thank you, Mayor, and thanks to
everybody who has provided comments
over the last several days. The
folks who joined us earlier tonight
to give their testimony, who are
remaining on the call todayPeer, will
just come right out and say I will be
in support of moving forward with the
property acquisition of these
tidelands and extending the beach and
extending the ownership that we can.
I think this is the 1stOf many steps
that it will take to provide safe
access. That's really what I am
interested in is preserving the idea
of in the ability for members of our
community, members of this
neighborhood who have been accessing
that beach for decades to continue to
be able to do so but to do so in a
safer way than they have historically.
I look forward to continued
discussion, imagine this is the 1st
of many discussions we will have on
this matter. Thank you.
>>Thank you. Councilmember Mork?
>>I would like to echo Depp you Mayor
Robertson's comments. I so
appreciate everybody's time to calm
and talk to us and give us our views
and read the ordinance and all the
input I think is just wonderful and I
would like to thank everybody involved
. 1 of the things I wasn't clear on
and perhaps Ms. King I got confused
even with your last answer, Some of
the commenters pointed out, that they
felt that 27th Ave. should not have
car parking that would be allowed as
part of this. Is that part of this
resolution in any way or if the
Council wanted to include that, how
would that be done?
>>Thank you, councilmember. This
ordinance before the Council simply
Authorizes the use of eminent domain.
If we are unsuccessful in negotiating
a purchase of the property. As to
the issues regarding parking,
circulation, Unless it doesn't relate
to this particular property so I am
not looking at that issue in this
ordinance before the Council tonight,
the Council can certainly direct
staff to as part of this we were in
addition to this to take a look at
those issues. I would say that
traffic engineer would be involved as
far as parking issues and other
issues like that, but there is
right-of-way that can be utilized for
parkingAnd so I don't see it as part
of this particular ordinance in
relation to authorizing condemnation,
but I do understand that there are
some concerns you might want staff to
look into some issues.
>>Thank you, that's really helpful.
The other comment I heard that I
would be curious on your thoughts on
is they said that some the commenters
alluded to the city did not follow
Regular process for this. Could you
comment about that, please?
>>The city has followed all the
requirements with respect to moving
forward with an ordinance with
respect to exercising eminent domain.
We have the process we utilize the
process a lot for roads and for other
Stormwater infrastructure access
easements, full acquisitions for park
property and so we follow a process
very closelyThat set out by state
law. What I heard is some people
wanting there to be more public
process and more of a robust
discussion within the neighborhood.
But that is not a legal requirement,
we have met all of the legal
requirementsFor adoption of this
ordinance should the Council choose
to go in that direction when it comes
up for the councils action.
>>Thank you. Thank you, Mayor.
>>Thank you. Other questions or
comments from Council?I would like to
speak for little longer than I
usually do on this because this is
sort of in my neighborhood is an area
that has importance to me. So I moved
To Richmond Beach about 4 years ago 1
of the 1st things I desire walked out
with my twins, 5 or 6 at the time,
cross the public funded bridge and
walked along turn left walk south
along Appletree Lane and said Hi took
couple of other school friends who
happen to live there and then there
was an older gentleman. I sadly
don't remember his name, I am not
sure if he is past owner simply
moved, but he is no longer there. I
knew that the beach parcel was his so
I asked him if it's okay if we walk
there. he said it was fine. So that
became 1 of our family tradition says
we have heard from so many public
commenters that it's been a tradition
over the years. So you walk down for
the publicly funded bridge, he walked
down the street, will talk about the
ownership of the street but you walk
in the street get on the beach and
then there is public property south
of the high water mark in their legal
distinctions and all that but
basically what Puget Sound belongs to
all of us, nobody owns it and if it's
Puget Sound is covered partly in not
covered parking we you can walk on it
what is not covered. That particular
parcel, the beach parcel owned now by
Doctor Vitelli on oh is accessible by
2 roads for 20 go down by 27th and
get on, the others you come north
from saltwater Park which is a public
park that you're perfectly entitled
walk on regardless of who you are.
And that is accessible at all tied
levels except that King tied. So
there these giant high tides are the
entirety that beach parcel is
covered, it's kind of impressive,
water all over it, splashing up onto
the tracks. But ordinary high tide,
you've got beach there and you've got
rocks that you can scramble along.
And I did that walk with my 70
something-year-old dad onceAnd I did
know it was this high tide but we
managed to get there. you can get
there either through willing down
Appletree Lane or from saltwater Park
under all but the most extreme
circumstances. That beach is as we
have heard from so many public
comments used by lots of people.
It's community tradition, a tradition
for folks outside of the community.
So something has changed. What's
that, that particular gentleman a
longer lives there. Somebody wants
to lock it off. For me this is a
chance to implement what we have
always talked about with public sure
online to make this truly part of a
domain. We do that by providing fair
value. And don't take anything from
anybody, we pay full price for it.I
am pleased that Doctor Italiano has
chosen to allow tribal members on
there. if he had chosen to allow all
of us we would be in a different
position but that's not where we are.
I don't want to see this community
tradition taken away. I want to
address a couple of comments that
were addressed are made during public
comment on the details of it.
There's a police fire concern, it's a
narrow 1 Lane Rd., there's no
turnaround, no question. There's a
bunch of houses down there and if 1
of them catches fire it's going to be
a big problem for fire apparatus to
get down there. Likewise if somebody
gets in trouble on the beach is going
to be a problem for fire department
or EMS to get down there. This has
been used as a public beach for not
time immemorial but certainly for a
long timeCertainly my lifetime in the
lifetime of many of others living in
Richmond Beach. I askedMiss Terry to
pull the police and fire reports. As
part of the comments. Nobody has
call for help there. we are not
proposing expansion, we're proposing
a continuation. Are there challenges
to getting down there? If someone has
a medical emergencies is 1 of those
houses? Sure, same challenges is on
the beach, same as in a variety of
places at shoreline. Parking.
That's a big concern, that's not a
new thing. In all the years that
I've gone down there I will tell you
during the pandemic when neighbors
down there started raising concerns I
stopped going. I didn't want to
intrude on people space even though I
think I was perfectly entitled to I
chose not to go down. I been plenty
of times, I've never seen a car go
down and need to turn around. It's
not a street you want to drive down.
Instead there's a ton of parking upon
Richmond Beach Road, Katona parking
right up there, perfectly safe, on
the dirt shoulder a week and do
better as signage, we can do better
at enforcement if there becomes a
problem. There's not a problem now I
don't think there's going to be one.
Other concerns such as the seawall,
the surveys, those are things that
were sorted out during the course of
this process. But we are authorizing
not the final proposing but the
ability of staff to proceed with
acquiring this property through
eminent domain if necessary. A
couple of the public comment struck
me tonight and I think we are pretty
telling, there is a gentleman who is
concerned about folks walking their
dogs along that street. My window
happens look out in the street so I
started looking out and accounted no
less than 17 people crossing in front
of my house 5 of which had dogs.
That's part of living in a city. If
the concern is they want to live in a
private neighborhood they need to
move somewhere else. This is
probably funded bridge onto a road
which is owned for the most part by
BNSF. There are concerns about
whether BNSF owns down the middle of
the street or just on the left side
of the street on the east side of the
street but if you walk down there
what you will see is the NSF has put
their no trespassing signs on the
extreme edge of that road. So in
other words BNSF is not enforcing
their ability to foreclose the public
from walking down that paved road.
Whether it's on only the left side or
whether you can also walk on the
right side, I don't know, that will
get sorted in the survey. The NSF as
chosen to allow full to walk down
there. They could put up no
trespassing except for residents
signs, they have chosen not to do
that we are working to clean up even
that deal detail by getting an
easement. Because BNSF has chosen
only to enforce the trackside the
public is entitled to walk down that
road across that publicly funded
bridge to get to the stretch of the
beach they have used response some
significant time. Because of all
these reasons I'm sympathetic to the
desire to keep something to you for
yourself, the desire not to have
folks intruding on your space with
the speech, this is part of something
I think we all should on and I would
encourage us to carry through this
and use eminent domain if necessary
to acquire. Based on my comments is
there anything from staff or Council
about that?Or in general? All right,
seeing nothing, Ms. King, when does
this come back before you?
>>I think it's scheduled for your 1st
council meeting in June which isOn
June 8. Is that correct?
>>Looks like 6, From councilmember
Moore.
>>June 6, there is. And was on my
slide but I don't have my slide up.
>>No worries.June 6 we will come
back. It definitely needs to be an
action item once I hear something
from Council about consent. It has
to be an action item. Anything else
from counselor staff on this item?And
that is our last agenda items I
believe that concludes this
agenda this meeting. Thank you, and
we are adjourned.
>>Thank you.