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All right, we'll call the regular meeting of the Assembly to order. Do you join me in the flag,

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so, allegedly, just to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic, for which

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it stands, one nation, individual, with liberty and justice for all. All right. Any correspondence,

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or we need the roll call.

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Sorry Sarah.

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W. Mayor Christensen.

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Here. Here.

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Ms. Nelson.

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Valerie, can you hear us?

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I'll go.

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Valerie, are you on?

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I'm trying to get back on.

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I don't know what's going on.

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OK, can you hear me now?

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I can hear you. Can you hear me?

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Yes, I can now. I could not earlier.

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Okay, so I'm just reading a row call, so Ms. Nelson.

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I'm here.

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Mr. Knox.

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Here.

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Mr. Moser.

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Ms. Duncan.

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Ms. Tim Schoot.

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Here.

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And Mayor Eisenbyes is absent this evening.

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He is attending Southeast Conference.

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Okay, any correspondence or agenda changes?

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Nearing none, any special reports tonight.

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Government to government, school district,

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here's not.

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All right, okay, we're on to persons to be heard on any matter, not on tonight's agenda, with a three-minute limit.

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Anybody wish to speak?

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Did.

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Thank you.

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I've been not as prepared as I wish I was.

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I just want to say thank you for the opportunity to comment.

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And in this time of what appears to be a faltering democracy in our country, I'll just say that,

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where our freedoms are being challenged.

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And what I want to say to the assembly tonight is, first of all, thank you for your service,

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But also that I would only gently remind you, if you don't know already, that you are here to represent the people who elected you.

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And so the thing that has been disconcerting to me is the advisory vote that's coming up on the ballot.

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and we have been forewarned. Oh, that guess what? It doesn't really count. You are not bound by that vote as an assembly.

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And that's understood now, however. I just want to let you know and I just want to remind you by reading just one

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personal sentence from the Declaration of Independence, which states, we hold these truths to be self-evident

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that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable

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rights, and that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. And that to secure

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For these rights, governments are instituted among men like the assembly, deriving their

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just powers from the consent of the governed.

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And so I want to repeat that particular phrase, the consent of the governed.

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So with this advisory vote coming up, I know you all know where I stand on the sale of

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of the hospital properties, I guess I'm just hoping that people will actually go out

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If the vote ends up being a no, I am hoping that the assembly will act by consent of

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the people that you serve and represent.

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I know there's all kinds of stuff behind the scenes and there's money this and money that, but I, I think it's very important for the city to retain that property only because it's so valuable, and because Sirchone's so much property already, and now they want this one too, and I'm just afraid that to get that money to spend it down, it could be income-producing and it should be leased.

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So I just want to exert people to please get out and vote, and please let the vote matter.

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So many are disinheartened this day and age with our voting system.

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So thank you.

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Thank you.

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You're welcome.

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Thank you.

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I don't know.

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Good evening.

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My name is Richard Ween.

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I remember as a newly elected assembly person, we went up to Anchorage and got a legal lessons

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on how to be a newly elected officer.

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And I think we were called meos then.

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Tonight, I'm going to remind people of the city about some certain things.

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It's called Alaska FOIA laws.

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There is such a thing as an Alaska Public Records Act.

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The Alaska Public Records Act states that most records in the possession of municipal and

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state government are subject to disclosure and this applies to municipalities.

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citizens should presume that all records are public and subject to inspection by any member of the public.

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The only reason a record may be withheld from public disclosure is if a legal exception can be identified that authorizes withholding access.

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The basic exemptions are representing a juvenile, adoption, medical, public health, even library lending.

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So, I guess if you take out Nabakol's Lolita, nobody will be able to access that and know names of victims of certain types of sexual crime in some law enforcement records.

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That being said, I submitted a FOIA request on at the day after the last assembly meeting, and I requested a contract for the services of appraisal for psychic community hospital with CBS.

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Yes, I wanted the contract.

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The contract was, had $30,000 appropriated by this assembly.

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And the Julie Denien company is how they do business.

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And I also mentioned in my request, this is the original,

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that these documents should be readily available.

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This is a contract that the city signed with an individual.

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Now, what I received this morning was that the request number one, which was for the contract, from Ms.

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Denien, quote, records or information cannot be located or do not exist.

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And the requester was notified on September 14, 2021.

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So this is how this city does business.

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There is something that maybe is going to have to be taken care of.

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And I know this individual didn't write this themselves, but we're probably advised to do this.

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This was a request for a readily available document, which is a contract.

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And they are denying a Freedom of Information Act.

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And the question is, what to do now?

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Since this has to do with the Alaska Constitution and the Records Act,

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I'm sure that request to the Attorney's General's Office,

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as well as a possible legal matter may be done.

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You can contact me by tomorrow because this is absolutely unacceptable.

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Thank you.

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Anybody else wish to speak on anything not on the agenda tonight.

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My name is Justin Clark, howdy.

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I flew out of the airport the other day and I noticed that there was no parking.

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What do you say to no parking?

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I had to drive my car way down the road and walk all the way back.

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Did you guys think of this?

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I mean I don't mind walking. I expected that there

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would have been long-term parking, but there's stuff that's blocking it. I don't

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know. Supposedly there's a lot of construction going to be happening, but do you

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make any allowances for during that time and so, you know, I guess someone's leasing that old place where people did long term parking, but that that was kind of a surprise to me, you know, and are you then not allowing long term parking, except for just those little areas, or have you expanded that?

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to just say, hey, go ahead and do a little bit long term parking in the normal areas.

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So I'd love for you guys to, you know, answer me on that.

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I don't know.

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Can you guys talk with me here?

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Have you guys thought about that?

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We're not allowed to have it back and forth during persons to be heard.

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Oh, you can.

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Just the one way you can speak as long as you're respectful.

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And then that's it.

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We can always get back to people later.

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You beat me to it.

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That's why I was wondering.

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Also voting, we need to trash the machines and we need to go back to voting by hand.

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I will not continue this fraud.

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We are steeped in fraud in Southeast Alaska and it needs a change.

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The Dominion voting machines should be no more.

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We should vote by hand, we don't have as many people as we did when we voted by hand.

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We could do it, there's a lot more people to help out,

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there's a lot of things that should change here.

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And this is an easy, simple way.

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So I hope that you listen to this, I hope more people speak out about this because the machines, I have no confidence.

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And I hope more people would say the same.

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Please think about these things.

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Does anyone else want to speak to something not on the agenda?

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If we could just have some decor on here.

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If the audience could please refrain, thank you.

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Yeah, anything not on the agenda.

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Okay, go ahead.

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Sorry, I'm just going to speak during persons to be heard.

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The clerk asked the audience to refrain from clapping.

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This is part of Parliamentary procedure.

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It's not to and fringe on people's rights to speak, every single person who has at the appropriate time will get to speak for three minutes, as long as we're respectful.

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But the decorum is that we not clap.

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I don't really know why, but it is the decorum and we ask that everyone respect that.

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Please, thank you.

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Thank you.

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All right. Anyone else want to speak to anything not in the agenda?

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We'll move on to the consent agenda. Can I get a motion?

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Okay. I'm just going to read what I wrote to you.

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So I'm here tonight because of my concern for the health of this community,

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each and every one of you. In Germany, there was a laboratory analysis

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Texas to investigate the level of contamination found in masks.

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After a fresh mask was given to school children for six to eight hours, what they found was

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shocking evidence of extremely-

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Man, this is on the agenda later, so-

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Okay, that's what I was wondering.

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I wasn't here.

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I'm not on the agenda.

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Before and then there was one after, so-

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Again, if we can have some decorum, can I get an emotion for the consent agenda, please?

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I move to approve the consent agenda.

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Consisting of item A, approve the minutes of the August 24th assembly meeting, and item B, approve the following marijuana license renewal applications, one standard marijuana cultivation facility license for Jeremy J. Erickson, DBA,

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Furns Wicked Weed at 3872 Helbert Point Road Bay 1 and 2 retail marijuana store license for weed dudes Inc. DBA weed dudes at 1321

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Creek Road, sweet jane, NK. Second. All right. Any comments from the public on those items?

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Seeing none, back to the assembly, Sarah.

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On the motion to approve the consent agenda, Mr. Christensen. Yes. Mr. Knox. Yes. Mr. Moser. Yes. Ms. Duncan. Yes. Ms. Hemshoot. Yes. And Ms. Nelson. Yes. Motion passes 6-0.

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Okay, it appears we don't have any board and commission appointments, so although we have lots of vacancies, so if anybody is interested, see the clerk on to unfinished business.

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Can I get a motion? I move to approve ordinance 2021-30 on second and final reading, authorizing the sale transfer of a portion of city and burrow of sick as old city shops, property located at 410 or sorry, 1410 and 1414.

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I mean, how did it point road to the CICU community land trust for the and affordable housing project that is not subject to competitive bid and is available to all regardless of ethnicity.

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Second.

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All right. Any comments from the public on this?

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Go ahead.

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Richard Wien.

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I spoke to this matter at the last meeting and part of my concern was that this was not really affordable housing when you have a unit

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it for $300,000 and it is what it is, it's a big piece of land and so they have half of it and now they want this as well.

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If the houses are valued at $300,000, it is 6,000, so that's 600 per 100,000, so that is $18,000, a year in property tax, and if they have 14 units, that's $25,000 a year.

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Now, if they are not going to meet the needs of truly affordable housing, here in SITCA, we can always wait till the housing bubble bursts, so that's one strategy, but I don't think that their current strategy meets that need, it meets for middle-class needs, which I think is wonderful, but there are many people here who need truly starter homes, and I think that you could do so much better by trying to

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to sell the land because not only you would have a sale price, but you would also have

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whatever is built or as far as property tax and if they do commercial, maybe you can

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get some sales tax.

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I had understood that years ago that prior property that there was a offer made to the city

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need to take that entire property to relocate one of Sitka's major businesses which would have been incredible, and they were going to turn their current place of business into like condominiums or whatever.

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And I think that that, the assembly needs to really start thinking about revenue, et cetera, and how this is going to affect people within this city.

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because we do need that revenue, we have the quarterly report as part of the packet, and there were some very interesting comments made as far as our future revenues and et cetera.

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So my notion is, is that I think we can do better, hold off on this, see what other things we can do for sale of prime,

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Halibut Point, a real estate, which could be commercial, which could bring in lots of revenue as a property tax item.

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It's really not a heck of a lot, so I would advise not trashing it but to not vote on it tonight and look for alternatives.

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I understand the goodness of the people involved, but as the assembly you need your revenue hat on, thank you.

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Anyone else on the public want to speak to this?

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And Sitka.

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And I feel the same way that Dr. Wien feels affordable housing.

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There's not a $275,000 to $300,000.

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And I think that it should wait until we see

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if we can get more money for it.

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Thank you.

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Anyone else?

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All right, back to the assembly.

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I just think it's important for us to all remember

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that this property was put before the voters to do

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to just this to provide some measure of affordable housing.

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And yes, this level of housing isn't necessarily affordable to all,

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but it's certainly more affordable than some of the other homes.

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So I mean, there's all graduated levels of this,

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and it's the term affordable is a difficult one for us to define and capture.

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The cost of building here in town is extremely expensive, building a brand new home.

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You're going to spend this kind of money on it, so I think from the will of the vote

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that happened, you know, some time ago, this is what people wanted to see, and I think

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that the City of Community of Land Trust has done a great job of making this model work

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in this particular location, and they're continuing to see success there, so I'd like

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to see them continue.

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I'll just kind of say what I said last time, the same things, this is just one of many different

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different types of affordable housing that is a real difficult word to agree on.

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Everyone has a different opinion on what that would be.

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There was a prior agreement to do this and also in Sitka to find us, they are small relatively,

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but clean and new and non-moldier, gross or need of repairs.

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You can't get that for even 300,000, so yeah, this isn't for everyone, it's just one of

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of many options to hopefully open some living spaces

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for people here.

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Thank you.

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Anyone else?

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Valerie?

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Yeah, I think it's germane to point out

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that that ordinance was voted on in 2006.

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I'm not sure if it was like a real vote or an advisory vote,

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but things have changed a lot in 15 years.

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And I've had several questions on how this thing really works.

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And I did reach out to the assessor today because when I go to the GIS map website, it says that those properties have zero value.

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And he said that we are in the process of updating the GIS map.

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So they do pay property tax, I guess on the land and the residences.

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But I've never seen like a financial statement saying how much the directors get and how much, you know,

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I did hear from the previous mayor that they only pay 1% to the banks whereas most of

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us have to pay whatever it is now. If you're lucky you can get in at 2%, but we were paying

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like 4% until we refinanced and I'm thinking that it might be best to look at other options.

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Thank you.

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Anybody else?

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Low income versus affordable, I kind of had to dive into that a little bit more.

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And so I'm, last night I was going on to local realty sites to do kind of comparisons of

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houses that are listed, of course, as Mr. Moser pointed out.

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These are brand new builds, energy efficient, new roofs.

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I don't have to worry about the maintenance that you would on a purchase house.

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but I just pulled six homes looking at the per square footage cost and of course I unfairly

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removed the million dollar homes. Clearly that would have pulled that number even higher.

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But looking at Sitka CLT or their site the options that they have listed, when you average those

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it comes out to about $260 per square foot. If you look at the homes that are priced as of yesterday

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That averages out to $393 per square foot, so I know there's that question about affordability and whether or not these are affordable homes.

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They're much more affordable in that they're brand new and you don't have to do the repairs that some of these older homes are taking on.

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And so I am supportive of this and I'm glad that it's in the hands of SIDCA Community Land Trust because they have a track record of doing projects like these.

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for watching the one that they're currently developing.

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The three homes that went up with the addition

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of more builds coming down the way.

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So I'm supportive of this, but I just, I thought

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that that was, when we look at it, was the comparables

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in how these new homes will bring affordability,

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maybe not low income housing options,

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but something that we need desperately here in Sitka.

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So those are my thoughts.

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Thank you.

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Anyone else?

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I don't have anything to add. Oh, sorry, sir.

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We have one individual that I forgot to call for public testimony.

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Oh, okay. Sorry, I didn't realize that.

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Hi.

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Hi, ma'am. It's Sarah.

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If you could state your first and last name for the record

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and then your three minutes will begin.

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Okay.

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Min McConnell.

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Go ahead.

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Assembly members.

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I know it's not the radio.

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Thank you for your recent vote.

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support in this ordinance. The SICKA community land trust staff and board members have been

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deeply involved in planning and creating the current CCD shock community neighborhood,

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as well as designing the expansion onto the 1410 and 1414 Helvetpoint Road parcels.

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Recently, a homeowner's association was formed for this community, and it will regulate

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many aspects of the neighborhood. And stewardship is a cornerstone of success for the SELT.

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We see interest in the houses growing in spite of pandemic. The open house went really well

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over the weekend. We had over 60 people attend and we have four that are in the process of applying

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for a home. So, this fills a kind of a section of our community that don't make enough

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to buy a house on the market, but they do make enough to have a mortgage that ends up

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being right about what they'd be paying for rent. And so, it gets them out of that rental

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loop that you get into and gets them into a better place where they can start building

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equity for their future and will make them citizens that can help get back to the community

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because they're seeing them, they're financial interests improve over time.

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And then there's also a resale formula that makes sure that these homes are always affordable.

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We retain that affordably, you can't just flip it.

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So, we have a lot of protections in place to keep this program going for, you know, it's

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a 99-year lease that's renewable.

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So this is going to go way long beyond any of us and our children and grandchildren.

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So we're really looking to the, not just for today, but for the future of our community.

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So thank you for your support.

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Okay.

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Anything else on the assembly?

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Okay, on the motion to approve this ordinance on second and final reading, Mr. Knox.

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Yes.

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Ms. Hemshoot.

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Yes.

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Ms. Duncan.

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Yes.

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Ms. Nelson.

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Oh.

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Mr. Moser.

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Yes.

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Mr. Christensen.

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Yes.

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The motion passes 5-1 on second and final reading.

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All right.

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Can I get an order motion?

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Next one.

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21-27.

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OK.

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I moved to approved ordinance 2021-2027

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on second and final reading amending title 22 zoning of the sick

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general code by modifying chapter 22.16 districts regulations for

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the recreation district.

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Second.

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I moved to approve ordinance 2021-27 on second and final reading

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amending title 22 zoning of the sick municipal code by modifying

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chapter 22.16 district regulations for the recreation district second

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Before we get started, I was wondering if Amy could come up and give us a quick overview of this.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor and Assembly members, and the Ainsley Planning Director. So there are a couple of changes that are a part of this ordinance that all affect the recreation district. Three of which are a result of the sort of the process around leasing out $49.51 hell of a point road, which is a 17-acre waterfront parcel that is municipally owned and is being leased to sciatica in partnership with Adventure Sitka. As a part of that,

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that property to be leased is going to be re-zoned, and that's the next ordinance that's on the agenda for second and final reading tonight, that would re-zone that property from residential into the recreation zone in order to facilitate best use of that land and of the zoning, we wanted to try and find a solution that was not so restrictive that would not allow for commercial development, but also still recognizes the recreational nature of that land.

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and has some sort of, you know, some kind of boundaries around the types of uses that can, that will make sense for the development,

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which is why we kind of settled on recreation being the primary choice for that particular parcel.

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In order to do so, though, we wanted to add three new uses as conditional uses.

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They're currently prohibited in the recreation zone and they will now become conditional,

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meaning that they will, if anyone would like to exercise those uses in the zone,

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they would need to get a conditional use permit through the planning commission.

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So those three new uses are eating and drinking places, amusement and entertainment, and outdoor

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amphitheater.

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The nice thing about all of those changes becoming conditional is that they can all be evaluated

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on a case by case basis to make sure that they're a good fit for the area and that neighborhood

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concerns can be taken into account when people make those applications.

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Additionally, the Baranoff Property Owners Association in Baranoff Warm Springs for several years has been working on a zoning text amendment to make some changes to the Recreation Zone, which is the other main area in Sitka that is zoned as Recreation.

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There are three permitted uses currently that the property owners wanted to become conditional uses, and that was resort public utility facilities and public water supply facilities.

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The resort piece of it, we felt was of kind of a cleanup piece because hotels are currently conditional use, so it was unclear why resorts would not be also conditional, so we felt that that was kind of bringing those types of uses in line with one another by making it conditional.

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And in terms of utility facilities and public water supply, many of those uses are already not allowed in residential areas.

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So creating those as just out and from, sorry pardon me, changing those from outright allowed to conditional uses will allow people living in the and who have property in the barren of property town site itself to have a little bit more say as to the type of development and intensity of development that takes place there in the barren of town site.

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So those are the combination of uses or proposed changes per me that are a part of this ordinance.

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So we kind of worked in partnership between the city and the Baranoff Property Owners Association to put this ordinance together and make those changes all at once given that they all affected the recreation district.

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And because we are bringing new land into the recreation district as well, we wanted to make sure that those zoning regulations that we made that affect property here in town also make sense for

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bear enough, Borm Springs as well, because they're all a part of the same zoning district.

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So this was a good opportunity to make sure that we were all sort of on the same page

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about what that zoning would look like for the property owners as well.

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Thank you.

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All right, with that, we may have you back up later on better.

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So are there any members of the public who wish to speak to this?

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Back in the back there?

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I can't, but Grant can, or somebody from the Centennial Building.

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All right, anybody else want to remember, okay, Dr. Wing?

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I'm very happy that the needs of Barrono Form Springs are being met by this ordinance.

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And I think that is the highlight of this.

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It must be remembered that these ordinances are the changes that need to occur for

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the halibut point group in order to develop that land.

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And so these are another gift from the city to that group.

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Again, as I have mentioned previously, they could have done better in the financial.

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But my important notice is that one, these are going to be changed to conditional uses.

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They're eating and drinking, amusement and entertainment and outdoor theater.

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Maybe they'll have a comedy club, which we can only hope.

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But the important thing is, is that these things come to the planning board, and so you need to be alert in order to see exactly what is going on there in order to, I'll say, protect Sitka interest.

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The other thing is that as part of the state permitting to the city giving the land, is that there is a public access on both the halibut point side.

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and as well as on the shore side, so I would like to remind people that you too can freely access these properties without inhibition.

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So remember that if you'd like to take a stroll at these properties just to see what's going on.

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So, and it won't cost you the price of a ticket, so enjoy and thank you very much for listening.

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Okay, what do you want to else like to speak to this?

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All right, back to the assembly.

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Okay, Senator.

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Okay, on the motion to approve this ordinance on second and final reading, Ms. Himchut.

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Yes,

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Mr. Christensen?

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Yes.

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Ms. Duncan?

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Yes.

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Ms. Nelson?

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Yes.

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Mr. Knox?

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Yes.

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And Mr. Moser?

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Yes.

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The motion passes 6-0 on IMD.

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Okay, on item E, can I give a motion?

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I move to approve ordinance 2021-28 on second and final reading.

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I'm ending the official sick zoning map to Reson 4951 Helvet Point Road from single family and duplex residential R1 to recreational district.

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All right.

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Okay, I think Amy's explanation last time also covered this, would you agree, Amy?

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Okay, so would anybody like to speak to this ordinance?

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That's

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saying none, we'll bring it back to the assembly.

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Kevin?

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So I still remain a bit concerned.

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I know this doesn't have to do with the actual lease, but

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re-zoning this and opening up the uses for this land, for

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the intended purpose of creating the visitor industry

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the recreation, I guess, regardless of what it is.

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I continue to be fairly concerned about the numbers of people that we are going to be seeing here.

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I think it's important that we have appropriate dispersal and

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activities for people to be able to enjoy Sitka.

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I think the residents of Sitka also have some of the same rights, and

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I just, it's really hard to really figure out in the end where to go with a lot of this.

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It does feel a little like a rock in the hard place, and then also creating some of this rezoning after the fact.

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I'm not really sure if we have the horse in front of the cart right now or not, but

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I'll be in support of this at this point.

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I really hope that the lease group is looking forward to what's in the best interest of SITCA.

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Anybody else, Kevin?

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I'll just disclose I've done this several times over in Preciatica.

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I'm not getting anything for this, I've not been insurentened, I've been completely kept out of the project from a detailed perspective.

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As far as this, I support it.

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I think it's part of the plan that I've personally been pushing and I think other assembly members have to try to create money from without SIPCA.

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In this case, we're leasing it for an annual amount and then getting a certain amount

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per ticket.

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And so this is city land that will be getting money into our treasury that we can use

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for things, like I always say, you know, police and fire roads, schools, the things that we need

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to pay.

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And this is just another attempt to prevent us from having to increase taxes.

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So we're trying to use what we have.

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Thank you.

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Anyone else?

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Mervika?

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Yeah, I just wanted to remind folks that when this went out, it went out for either a lease

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or sale and no developer found that they could develop it in an affordable way.

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And so no proposals came back.

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And I did reach out and check with some people to make sure that it wasn't a question or was

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there not enough time or why did people not respond.

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And it just was not going to be affordable to develop as housing.

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That's a primary need that we have in Sitka.

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So if we can't have housing there, let's do something else with it and like Mr. Mosher said, let's make some money on it, thanks.

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Anybody else? Yeah, I just will say that while I have some issues with the lease itself, once it's we voted on it, I'm not gonna try and mess it up by, I mean this is a reasonable request considering that we've already done the lease, so anybody else?

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The motion to approve ordinance 2021-28 on second and final reading, Ms. Hamchute.

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Yes, Mr. Christensen?

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Yes.

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Mr. Knox?

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Yes.

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Ms. Nelson?

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Yes.

448
00:41:29,180 --> 00:41:29,700
Ms. Duncan?

449
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:30,960
Yes.

450
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:32,200
And Mr. Moser?

451
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:32,860
Yes.

452
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:34,800
The motion passes 6-0.

453
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:37,260
All right.

454
00:41:37,380 --> 00:41:38,760
We're moving on to new business.

455
00:41:39,060 --> 00:41:40,560
Can I get a motion for item F?

456
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:47,000
I move to approve ordinance 2021-32 on first reading requiring use of a face covering

457
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,340
in certain indoor settings and providing a penalty.

458
00:41:49,780 --> 00:41:50,240
Second.

459
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:56,520
Okay, before we start, I'm going to try and lay some ground rules for tonight because we

460
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,940
have enough people here and we have a lot of people on the phone.

461
00:42:00,540 --> 00:42:10,540
So we're going to restrict testimony to one minute for first and so that is, that is

462
00:42:10,540 --> 00:42:21,840
Excuse me, please, look, this is excuse me, can we please, can we please have some decorum here, can we bring in?

463
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:29,140
All right, if we, I'm sorry people, if you cannot be civil, we'll clear the room.

464
00:42:29,740 --> 00:42:39,000
But if we do this on a regular, all right, we're going to take a recess then, but five

465
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:45,360
minute recess.

466
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:45,500
Yes.

467
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:43,900
Welcome back Rebecca.

468
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,280
Okay, so I'm going to fill this out to the assembly.

469
00:43:48,860 --> 00:43:54,560
We have a long history of when we have a lot of people speaking short in the amount of time.

470
00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:00,400
So you guys want to shorten it to maybe, do you shorten it to two minutes or not shorten it at all?

471
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,860
Again, sir, this is the assembly deliberation not with the crowd.

472
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:08,840
What's the will of the assembly?

473
00:44:09,780 --> 00:44:14,600
can you get a rough number from the crowd, how many people

474
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:14,900
are attending this meeting?

475
00:44:14,900 --> 00:44:16,280
Yes, I would be more quiet on speaking.

476
00:44:17,340 --> 00:44:21,400
Okay, so that's, I mean we do have other business to do tonight.

477
00:44:23,580 --> 00:44:28,660
I was here one time to advocate for education and there were, there was a similarly

478
00:44:28,660 --> 00:44:33,400
full room and we were asked how many people were here for that and then we were restricted

479
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:34,300
I think to one minute.

480
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,100
So it's happened before.

481
00:44:37,720 --> 00:44:42,280
So I'm just saying I remember this happening and we've got a fair decision.

482
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,180
You know, just to say because it's happened before it's okay.

483
00:44:47,700 --> 00:44:50,600
You have people that were planning on speaking for three minutes.

484
00:44:50,620 --> 00:44:55,220
They probably spent a lot of time to write down what they were going to say either for or against it.

485
00:44:55,700 --> 00:44:57,020
And I think we owe it to them.

486
00:44:58,240 --> 00:44:59,940
Again, if we could please have...

487
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:00,800
The room be quiet.

488
00:45:04,570 --> 00:45:32,130
We will clear the room if we can't have the quorum. Okay. So, Tor, I would say my only history here is the only time I've seen it is then when Paxton was mayor, and we had something that was a big one and he narrowed it down to two minutes. People were upset about it, but we got through it. I have find it hard. I mean, that I would be able to come up with a coherent thought in one minute. I went from one minute's kind of tight.

489
00:45:32,610 --> 00:45:34,170
I'd like to do two minutes.

490
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:35,930
Okay, I'm not waiting one minute.

491
00:45:36,110 --> 00:45:37,590
Just I'm looking at the rest of the agenda

492
00:45:37,590 --> 00:45:41,050
and honestly, there's only so many different ways

493
00:45:41,050 --> 00:45:41,750
we can hear this.

494
00:45:42,490 --> 00:45:47,730
So, the crystal, do you have any thoughts?

495
00:45:48,090 --> 00:45:50,710
Yeah, just looking at, we have seven more agenda items

496
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:51,890
to get through tonight.

497
00:45:52,490 --> 00:45:55,930
And so, I, two minutes seems fine for me as well.

498
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:58,250
All right, so we'll be two minutes.

499
00:45:59,650 --> 00:46:05,210
And I also want to alternate between, oh, sorry, Valerie.

500
00:46:07,950 --> 00:46:08,530
Go ahead.

501
00:46:08,730 --> 00:46:08,970
Sorry.

502
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:14,050
I've been on the assembly for many, many years going back to like 1998.

503
00:46:14,610 --> 00:46:20,710
And we have not sometimes finished our business and had to complete it at a later date.

504
00:46:20,830 --> 00:46:23,430
To say that the other items are more important than this is wrong.

505
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:24,050
Thank you.

506
00:46:28,180 --> 00:46:34,440
again we will clear the room if we don't have decorum so it'll be two minutes and

507
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:41,240
Sarah if you would call people so we can get through everybody and we also have a

508
00:46:41,240 --> 00:46:45,940
number of people who want to call in I believe seven looks like six or seven here

509
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:55,000
is that okay okay so with that if you can set the timer for two minutes and if we

510
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:56,800
if somebody wants to come forward for two minutes.

511
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,340
My name is Mary Todd Anderson.

512
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,360
I want to start out with a quote it does relate to Mass.

513
00:47:08,820 --> 00:47:11,780
My body has absorbed so much hand sanitizer.

514
00:47:12,420 --> 00:47:15,000
Now, when I pee, it cleans the toilet.

515
00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:16,040
OK.

516
00:47:16,660 --> 00:47:18,260
I say that not in disrespect.

517
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,000
I say that not disrespect, but I say what

518
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,480
are the long-term effects of Mass?

519
00:47:23,900 --> 00:47:26,080
You guys got to listen to all of us.

520
00:47:26,540 --> 00:47:29,340
I witnessed a mother trying to get her child

521
00:47:29,340 --> 00:47:34,320
to get a keep a mask on. The child was crying and fighting her. I've talked to teachers that are

522
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:38,920
mass all day long and I asked what may I ask her you coming down with a cold well my voice is

523
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:43,600
horse because I can't you know speak I have to speak louder over the mass you know I've witnessed

524
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:47,880
the I've taught the students that work at at different grocery stores and clerks and they're at school

525
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:52,540
all day long then they go have a mask all all night you know or for a few hours and it's really

526
00:47:52,540 --> 00:47:57,980
hard they hate it and you guys should hate it and what this is all about what are you so afraid of

527
00:47:57,980 --> 00:48:03,560
the truth. What are you afraid of? This is real. I brought a copy of the Bible and I brought

528
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:08,420
a copy of the US Constitution and the Bible talks about liberty that you are here to serve us and

529
00:48:08,420 --> 00:48:12,900
I'm sorry I'm not giving eye control to everybody but you know this this is for real. When is the last

530
00:48:12,900 --> 00:48:18,360
time anybody's read the US Constitution and this is not about fear tonight. This is about righteous

531
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:26,340
anger, righteous rights and in no way all this two minutes is horrible. Okay so so Matt it's a

532
00:48:26,340 --> 00:48:30,620
falseness of security it causes, okay you wear a mask and it causes issues with your

533
00:48:30,620 --> 00:48:36,000
mouth throat lungs and that can result in pneumonia and then mask where it's crazy you guys

534
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:41,100
and this I don't know this is this is what's not fair it's trying to limit what we spent time

535
00:48:41,100 --> 00:48:46,220
on in two minutes that is very very unfair then buff the rest of your agenda to the next night

536
00:48:46,820 --> 00:48:52,320
I'm sorry but this is I'm a Christian but this is about God this is about unalienable rights

537
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:57,060
And if you don't get that read it, but the only purpose of government is to hear people's rights.

538
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:01,860
This is not going to, essencely, we love our neighbors as yourself, the Bible says that.

539
00:49:02,100 --> 00:49:06,760
This is a good town you guys, this is causing friction and unhealthy, and it's not right.

540
00:49:07,340 --> 00:49:08,720
And wow, I did it in two minutes.

541
00:49:09,180 --> 00:49:09,560
Thank you.

542
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:11,640
Please.

543
00:49:13,460 --> 00:49:20,540
Look folks, we've got to maintain the decorum, we don't clap and just come up.

544
00:49:20,540 --> 00:49:23,240
And like I said, we will clear the room if we have to.

545
00:49:23,380 --> 00:49:25,940
We don't want to let people speak.

546
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,160
Okay, so my

547
00:49:35,220 --> 00:49:39,920
name is co-oiness and I'm really delighted that I took time to write this

548
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,360
out because then I've got a copy for each one of you.

549
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:54,700
I'm not a scientist, but a COVID virus 60 to 140 is the average size of a COVID virus.

550
00:49:54,700 --> 00:50:04,220
It is measured in nanometers, which is 1 1,000th of a micron.

551
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:10,840
And 5 microns are 1 5,000th of an inch.

552
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:17,020
No mask that anybody has in here or is wearing.

553
00:50:17,020 --> 00:50:22,280
And the holes are much, much larger than that.

554
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:27,220
And COVID spread by two poise droplets

555
00:50:27,700 --> 00:50:31,460
less than five microns, which I remind you

556
00:50:31,460 --> 00:50:35,440
is 1 5,000th of an inch.

557
00:50:35,860 --> 00:50:40,480
But the vast majority is spread by aerosol spray,

558
00:50:40,860 --> 00:50:44,340
which is 1 1,000th of a micron.

559
00:50:44,340 --> 00:51:07,740
So people are misled to think that they're safe, and so a mask mainly keeps the wearer from ejecting droplets or spray that affects others, but a respirator which provides two-way protection and can keep the wearer from catching aerosol particles from others.

560
00:51:07,740 --> 00:51:18,720
There are two that are the most common, an N95 and an N100, and those are what are worn in surgical rooms.

561
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:27,360
It takes two people to get them adjusted so that they're right, so that they're actually stopping these.

562
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:36,720
So, anyway, I say, don't deceive yourself and don't deceive others by thinking that they're safe.

563
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:38,800
Thank you.

564
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:42,470
Mr. Wayne?

565
00:51:51,370 --> 00:51:58,670
My name is Richard Wayne and I'm not really going to talk about mask science or anything like that.

566
00:51:59,370 --> 00:52:03,370
The important thing to note is that not all masks are created equal.

567
00:52:03,370 --> 00:52:09,630
None of the masks here are basically PPE, according to the CDC.

568
00:52:10,250 --> 00:52:16,030
And so in essence, it is, as always, kabuki.

569
00:52:16,670 --> 00:52:19,650
I'm going to deal with the ordinance, the ordinance exemptions,

570
00:52:19,650 --> 00:52:27,690
really kind of limit what is going on as far as your mitigation ability,

571
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:32,350
as well as there's no true enforcement.

572
00:52:32,350 --> 00:52:41,390
And the bottom line is, is that, let us take a look at what this ordinance looks like if we graph it.

573
00:52:42,310 --> 00:52:57,730
If I'm my strobe, and the ordinance has it that the goes into effect when it's high, when the alert level is high.

574
00:52:57,730 --> 00:53:04,630
But I'd like to point out that you see the line here, which goes each line.

575
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:08,470
This is where it's a high alert read, and this is the line.

576
00:53:08,830 --> 00:53:12,490
On this line are people who are positive cases.

577
00:53:13,110 --> 00:53:19,650
And therefore, you are allowing a cycle, if you actually believe in the mitigation,

578
00:53:20,030 --> 00:53:22,390
you're allowing this cycle to occur.

579
00:53:22,890 --> 00:53:24,730
You're allowing people to get COVID.

580
00:53:24,730 --> 00:53:28,170
You are allowing, maybe on this line, is somebody who dies.

581
00:53:28,650 --> 00:53:31,970
So actually, if you look at your ordinance, it makes no sense.

582
00:53:32,250 --> 00:53:37,390
If you really want to do it, everybody 724 masks all the time.

583
00:53:37,850 --> 00:53:39,390
This is what it looks like.

584
00:53:39,790 --> 00:53:45,430
It's really not a mitigative thing, and it makes no sense.

585
00:53:46,990 --> 00:53:50,550
Also, in the exemptions, you don't include the United States Postal Service.

586
00:53:51,110 --> 00:53:54,550
And the members of Congress, if you looked at football games,

587
00:53:54,550 --> 00:54:01,150
this weekend, college, or even the Met Gala, no masks, but that's for the elite.

588
00:54:05,820 --> 00:54:08,120
Okay, again, please post on the forum.

589
00:54:09,460 --> 00:54:11,040
All right, rules would like to speak.

590
00:54:21,090 --> 00:54:24,590
My name is Bridget Hitchcock, and thank you so much for your time.

591
00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:29,930
I support requiring you to face covering in certain indoor settings while Sika is in high alert.

592
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:33,550
It's a public health issue, and I don't believe it should be a personal issue.

593
00:54:33,550 --> 00:54:40,150
As a health care provider, I know how important masks are to keep myself and my patients safe.

594
00:54:40,970 --> 00:54:45,730
Without masks, I cannot safely be providing the physical therapy that many people in our

595
00:54:45,730 --> 00:54:49,770
community need after a surgery, after having COVID.

596
00:54:50,350 --> 00:54:55,810
I've seen a few patients there, after an injury or after a stroke, just to name a few examples.

597
00:54:56,750 --> 00:55:00,250
With the COVID numbers high, we all suffer, including our kids and our elders.

598
00:55:00,250 --> 00:55:05,750
members. As a mother of two school age children, I can tell you firsthand that our kids need

599
00:55:05,750 --> 00:55:11,330
to be back in school. We don't want to have to go back to online school. The elders in

600
00:55:11,330 --> 00:55:16,090
this community, especially in the Pioneer home, and at the long-term care, need to be able

601
00:55:16,090 --> 00:55:19,850
to connect with their family, their friends, and the community. They have been shut down

602
00:55:19,850 --> 00:55:25,370
several times during the pandemic due to high COVID numbers. I also have lost two extended

603
00:55:27,210 --> 00:55:32,790
We have to do everything we have in our power to prevent the spread.

604
00:55:33,270 --> 00:55:35,450
Please do the right thing and support this ordinance.

605
00:55:35,810 --> 00:55:36,710
Thank you.

606
00:55:36,930 --> 00:55:38,550
Thank you.

607
00:55:38,790 --> 00:55:39,630
The last would like to speak.

608
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:49,060
Hi, I'm here tonight because of my concern for the health of this community.

609
00:55:49,380 --> 00:55:50,660
Oh, by the way, I'm Laurie Lee.

610
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:56,720
In Germany, there was a laboratory analysis to investigate the level of contamination found in masks.

611
00:55:56,720 --> 00:56:01,760
masks, after a fresh mask was given to school children, for six to eight hours what they found

612
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:07,580
was shocking evidence of extremely high levels of microbes with 82 bacterial colonies and

613
00:56:07,580 --> 00:56:13,200
four mold colonies. With masks, you're forced to re-bread your own waste, otherwise known

614
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:19,380
as carbon dioxide or CO2, which is a waste product of cellular respiration. Within the first

615
00:56:19,380 --> 00:56:26,460
There's 10 breaths of wearing a mask, your CO2 levels can race to over 10,000 parts per million.

616
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:33,260
The upper range considered safe for humans, the upper range considered safe is 1,000.

617
00:56:33,380 --> 00:56:39,720
That's 10 times the CO2 that you're breathing in your mask, that you should be, that's allowed safe.

618
00:56:40,060 --> 00:56:45,740
Elevated CO2 levels can lead to organ damage and have long standing effects on the brain,

619
00:56:45,740 --> 00:56:52,320
which is one reason why studies find mass students are netting lower test scores, diminished attention spans,

620
00:56:52,900 --> 00:56:54,840
and racking up more sick days.

621
00:56:55,420 --> 00:57:04,220
Oxygen lowering effects of the mass force the body to compensate by increasing heart rate and deepening inspirations.

622
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,660
This drives pathogens deep into the lungs.

623
00:57:08,220 --> 00:57:13,820
Mass-related lung infections are far, far more dangerous than a COVID-19 infection.

624
00:57:13,820 --> 00:57:20,960
An alarming explosion in the bacterial pneumonia is being reported at ERs and urgent care centers across the country.

625
00:57:21,540 --> 00:57:31,520
In 2008, Dr. Anthony Fauci called her to paper entitled bacterial pneumonia caused most deaths in the 1918 influenza pandemic.

626
00:57:31,900 --> 00:57:39,900
He clearly conveyed that bacterial pneumonia was responsible for the vast majority of deaths, not the virus itself.

627
00:57:39,900 --> 00:57:44,700
This mask mandate is a perfect example of government over each.

628
00:57:45,180 --> 00:57:49,620
It is not the role of any government to dictate or govern my health.

629
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:54,040
Most people would agree the government has exceeded its constitutional boundaries.

630
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:55,240
Man, it would wrap it up.

631
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:08,060
It is not the role of any government to dictate or govern my health.

632
00:58:08,060 --> 00:58:11,740
And I am for one not giving my consent for such dangerous agendas.

633
00:58:12,220 --> 00:58:16,060
Most people would agree the government has exceeded its constitutional boundaries.

634
00:58:16,500 --> 00:58:22,920
And I feel the city has placed itself in a precarious position right for a host of liabilities.

635
00:58:23,660 --> 00:58:29,020
Any mandate regarding mask wearing needs to be withdrawn immediately and indefinitely.

636
00:58:29,740 --> 00:58:30,740
Thank you for your time.

637
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:03,740
Thank you for your attention to this issue tonight. I really appreciate the opportunity to speak.

638
00:59:03,740 --> 00:59:11,280
I did send a letter in support of this new regulation already, but new information came

639
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,020
to light today that I wanted to share.

640
00:59:13,860 --> 00:59:18,280
There was a letter written by the Chief of Staff of Providence Alaska Medical Center

641
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:24,420
today to all the last guns, informing us of the critical situation of an anchorage due

642
00:59:24,420 --> 00:59:25,360
to COVID numbers.

643
00:59:26,980 --> 00:59:33,100
As of today, they are faced with a critical situation and now are in the point of meeting

644
00:59:35,900 --> 00:59:42,300
so they're developing policies and procedures to ration medical care, including dialysis

645
00:59:42,300 --> 00:59:44,500
and specialized ventilatories support.

646
00:59:45,300 --> 00:59:50,060
Their transfer center is unable to accept patients who sit in emergency rooms and hospitals

647
00:59:50,060 --> 00:59:51,040
across the state.

648
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:56,740
If you or your loved one needs specialty care at Providence such as a cardiologist, a trauma

649
00:59:56,740 --> 00:59:59,940
a surgeon or a neurosurgeon, we sadly may not have.

650
01:00:00,020 --> 01:00:29,820
We have room now. There are no beds left. So the letter goes on and can be seen in the encouraged daily news tonight and I encourage people to look at that. The Chief of Staff at Providence pleads with Alaskans across the state to do everything in our power to reduce the spread of COVID across the state and to stay healthy so we don't need to take hospital beds. It says first wear a mask even if you're vaccinated. I just like to add that I have the privilege to interact with a broad

651
01:00:29,820 --> 01:00:32,180
spectrum of people across the community and my work.

652
01:00:32,940 --> 01:00:37,100
I love talking to people and getting to know people who share different points of view than myself.

653
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:42,320
What I've been impressed with during this time is how much sitkins agree on.

654
01:00:42,980 --> 01:00:46,180
People want to stay healthy, they want to keep their neighbors healthy,

655
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:48,600
they want to protect one another.

656
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:54,280
In our office, people wear masks and 99% of the patients comply without difficulty.

657
01:00:54,940 --> 01:00:58,460
We have over 80% of our community vaccinated and I'm proud of Sitka.

658
01:00:58,460 --> 01:00:59,600
So, thank you.

659
01:00:59,960 --> 01:01:00,680
Thank you for having me.

660
01:01:01,140 --> 01:01:01,740
All right.

661
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:03,520
Who would like to speak next?

662
01:01:15,850 --> 01:01:21,730
Gavin Holder, I would like to talk specifically about the lack of standards

663
01:01:21,730 --> 01:01:23,890
that this ordinance would provide it.

664
01:01:24,190 --> 01:01:32,190
It doesn't require any specific type of filtering or any level of just care in general

665
01:01:32,190 --> 01:01:32,890
for the person.

666
01:01:33,330 --> 01:01:37,530
It just covers the face, not even the face, it's just the mouth and the nose.

667
01:01:37,530 --> 01:01:44,190
And the thing is that if this is truly a life and death situation, we don't have the

668
01:01:44,190 --> 01:01:45,630
time to talk about it like this.

669
01:01:45,850 --> 01:01:47,790
The people will be falling on the ground and dying.

670
01:01:47,930 --> 01:01:48,990
It's just how it is.

671
01:01:50,470 --> 01:01:57,510
If it gets to that point, if this is the next bubonic plague, we really need to be, I guess

672
01:01:57,510 --> 01:02:00,430
really everyone, just about everyone here is going to die anyways.

673
01:02:00,970 --> 01:02:03,630
I'm saying that this isn't the way that we want to do it.

674
01:02:04,030 --> 01:02:07,350
The legal system, if you want people to change, you're not going to go through the legal

675
01:02:07,350 --> 01:02:12,010
system. It's just, it's not viable, is what I'm trying to say. I can tell you, though, that if you want,

676
01:02:12,210 --> 01:02:16,750
if you are concerned about this, you can go and you can buy filter masks like this. This is about

677
01:02:16,750 --> 01:02:23,350
$50, a little over $50 from Fisher Scientific. And you just look up online, anywhere you can find

678
01:02:23,350 --> 01:02:28,030
filter masks by them because they do have a shelf life, well, not it's not a shelf life, but they

679
01:02:28,030 --> 01:02:32,030
have a used life. Like, you can't use them over and over and over again, especially not for

680
01:02:32,030 --> 01:02:37,210
biological contaminants, because that's not what they're made for. It's, if you really care

681
01:02:37,210 --> 01:02:40,930
about this, you have to be buying these filter masks in bulk, and it's just, it's not

682
01:02:40,930 --> 01:02:44,870
going to work that way. And the thing is, with all the exceptions in the ordinance,

683
01:02:45,130 --> 01:02:49,150
it's, in life and death situations, there aren't exceptions. There are people who make

684
01:02:49,150 --> 01:02:52,750
the cut, and there are people who don't, and the people who don't die. Everyone on these

685
01:02:52,750 --> 01:02:57,590
exceptions list, it's just going to get them killed. It's not going to work. It's not

686
01:02:57,590 --> 01:03:02,930
viable. This is negligent. If you, if you really care about this, you can't do it like

687
01:03:02,930 --> 01:03:08,990
this. It's going to get people killed. It's not going to work. That's what I have. Thank you.

688
01:03:10,350 --> 01:03:10,790
Thank you.

689
01:03:20,290 --> 01:03:21,690
That's not the way we're set up.

690
01:03:22,630 --> 01:03:22,630
Hi,

691
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:35,780
my name is Justin Clark and I believe that this is a joke. What you guys are doing here

692
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:44,200
about the mass mandate and everything is a joke. If you really cared and I have to think and it's

693
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:53,500
sad to me to see the medical community, who knows, who knows these things, and they're

694
01:03:53,500 --> 01:04:03,160
following this, this political scam. For power, I work to the medical field. I have

695
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:11,440
a, well, Thor, you said, oh, mass work. What degree do you have, Thor? I ask you that.

696
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:14,180
And

697
01:04:14,180 --> 01:04:19,160
work. I have so many studies that I could show you, but you guys don't want to listen.

698
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:29,560
That says, mask do not work. I laugh that you say kids need to wear a mask. The kids touch

699
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:34,260
mask. I mean, I'm sitting there, Coast Guard people are touching, touching, touching. They

700
01:04:34,260 --> 01:04:39,980
have to wear a mask because I would never wear a mask, if I was a Coast Guard person. They're

701
01:04:39,980 --> 01:04:43,780
just touching, touching. You guys probably same thing, touching, touching. And then you

702
01:04:43,780 --> 01:04:53,160
touch stuff, whatever you touch is germed. People need to eat right, lose weight, stay healthy,

703
01:04:53,980 --> 01:05:00,600
enjoy Sitka, and we won't have this. There's therapeutic things, there's health things that we

704
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:08,920
could do that would solve this problem. Nobody's treating COVID. Why don't you look into treatment?

705
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:13,760
They're

706
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:21,260
I push drugs. I had protocols. You guys are doing, I laugh at the fire department. They're

707
01:05:21,260 --> 01:05:23,700
masked. It's all up here. I used to be a fireman.

708
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:32,160
Get real, guys. So resistance to tyranny

709
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:37,660
is obedience to God. And I love God. Wrap it up, please. I'm going to resist.

710
01:05:46,500 --> 01:05:48,420
All right, please come forward, ma'am.

711
01:05:55,270 --> 01:05:56,550
It's Risha Dick as my name.

712
01:05:56,550 --> 01:06:04,590
I would like to say thank you to the SICKA assembly for the mask mandate that we currently

713
01:06:04,590 --> 01:06:05,650
have in effect.

714
01:06:06,330 --> 01:06:13,430
According to the SICKA school district website, as of yesterday, we have 10 active COVID cases

715
01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:20,310
in the SICKA school district within about four weeks of the year started already, but that's

716
01:06:20,310 --> 01:06:29,270
But only from data that was voluntarily tested, kids or adults that came in and tested voluntarily.

717
01:06:30,270 --> 01:06:41,370
So we don't really know how about it is, and what I understand from a letter home that my girl's got is that it's sounding a lot like spread is going on in the sick of school district right now.

718
01:06:41,370 --> 01:06:48,730
Just a reminder that when staff or sickle school district teacher gets a crossover infection,

719
01:06:49,250 --> 01:06:51,770
they then take it home to their children and family.

720
01:06:53,540 --> 01:06:59,050
Recently, some teachers from home are asking me, how did you get a mask mandate in SIDCA?

721
01:06:59,810 --> 01:07:06,130
And I said, our city assembly, SIDCA assembly loves our children.

722
01:07:08,970 --> 01:07:11,550
And you let me know.

723
01:07:12,030 --> 01:07:13,550
You let me know.

724
01:07:13,550 --> 01:07:15,110
And we let you job.

725
01:07:15,470 --> 01:07:15,990
Let her job.

726
01:07:16,010 --> 01:07:16,570
Care workers.

727
01:07:17,190 --> 01:07:18,870
And they love our essential.

728
01:07:20,490 --> 01:07:23,350
People who are on the fighting lines here.

729
01:07:23,990 --> 01:07:24,750
You guys care.

730
01:07:25,450 --> 01:07:29,030
And that's what I felt good about telling our home teachers

731
01:07:29,030 --> 01:07:32,550
who were wishing that they had a mask and that mandate.

732
01:07:32,550 --> 01:07:51,870
It is your job, also I told them I said they're listening to scientists at the responsibility of the SIDCA assembly to follow the CDC masking guidelines in order to protect our citizens.

733
01:08:00,870 --> 01:08:12,340
Mr. Mayor, Mr. Mayor, I'd like to say something, point of order here, everyone, our intention

734
01:08:12,340 --> 01:08:16,320
is let everyone who wants to speak to speak, but we just had an example of a person who

735
01:08:16,860 --> 01:08:21,140
clearly disagreed with the majority, and she was booed, I think that's not right,

736
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:23,220
it's

737
01:08:23,220 --> 01:08:28,140
If everyone wants to speak, we have to control ourselves and calm down.

738
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:32,220
We can't be booing people, and the constant clapping and

739
01:08:32,220 --> 01:08:33,620
crying is not helpful either.

740
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:35,500
This is meant for a reason.

741
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:38,740
There are people who have opinions that may not agree, and when there's a crowd,

742
01:08:39,480 --> 01:08:41,780
crying or booing, it may intimidate them.

743
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:43,740
We all need to be respectful.

744
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:45,560
Thank you.

745
01:08:46,260 --> 01:08:46,980
Thank you.

746
01:08:49,460 --> 01:08:55,800
Hi, my name is Karen Attics, and I do want to say that we need to respect both sides.

747
01:08:56,420 --> 01:09:05,120
And I believe that my side, which is I don't want to wear a mask, tends to get boo-hooed

748
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:09,540
and stuff, but I do believe that we need to listen respectfully to those who disagree.

749
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:15,880
For example, the letter to the editor last night was extremely caustic and rude to those

750
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:20,320
of us who don't want to wear masks. And I believe we should respect each other. There's

751
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:24,960
a lot I could say about it, but the mask ordinance was passed to begin with as an emergency

752
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:30,500
thing. What is an emergency? It's a situation that imposes an immediate risk to health and

753
01:09:30,500 --> 01:09:36,500
life. Regular mandate is different. The emergency one can only go for a certain period of time. You

754
01:09:36,500 --> 01:09:42,360
want this one to go for six months. I think that's ridiculous. COVID is never going to go away.

755
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:47,140
Okay, the flu of 1918 has never gone away, it has morphed, it has changed.

756
01:09:47,620 --> 01:09:50,800
I personally don't want to wear a mask for the rest of my life.

757
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:56,760
When we have a high level in this town, it's 100 out of 100,000 people,

758
01:09:56,980 --> 01:09:59,540
according to whatever you're using now.

759
01:09:59,900 --> 01:10:04,940
That's .001% of people are testing positive.

760
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:07,180
She says there's 10 cases at the school.

761
01:10:07,180 --> 01:10:09,380
Those people have all been wearing masks.

762
01:10:10,420 --> 01:10:12,280
It's silly to wear a mask.

763
01:10:12,440 --> 01:10:15,120
I'm a rule follower usually, but I'm sick of it.

764
01:10:15,220 --> 01:10:17,560
I'm not going to wear a mask in the future.

765
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:19,000
I've had COVID.

766
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:22,780
It was better than most of the flus I've had in the past.

767
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:23,880
I have immunity.

768
01:10:24,140 --> 01:10:25,240
I want to breathe freely.

769
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,820
And those driven by the fear of COVID should stay home

770
01:10:28,820 --> 01:10:30,620
and the rest of us should be able to breathe.

771
01:10:30,980 --> 01:10:31,580
Thank you.

772
01:10:31,580 --> 01:10:38,040
So again, people, please be respectful of everybody.

773
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:40,580
Okay, who else would like to speak?

774
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:54,660
My name is Carrie Johnson, and I'd like to thank you for taking the time to listen to public comment.

775
01:10:55,200 --> 01:11:01,080
I understand you wanting to streamline the mandate and leave it to the case numbers as to whether we mask up or not.

776
01:11:01,380 --> 01:11:05,900
I understand this, but I don't agree it is the healthiest option for the winter ahead in SICKA.

777
01:11:05,900 --> 01:11:10,980
I speak for the workers and vulnerable school kids who are in the masks many hours a day as

778
01:11:10,980 --> 01:11:12,000
well as being indoors.

779
01:11:12,900 --> 01:11:16,160
We need to look at the mental health aspect of this idea as well.

780
01:11:16,820 --> 01:11:20,800
Alaska already has a high suicide rate, and I'm wondering if breathing our own recycled

781
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:25,080
air for extended periods just can't be nourishing, excuse me, for our brains.

782
01:11:25,980 --> 01:11:31,980
There's medical research that says the mask carry virus bacteria and mold and colonize in

783
01:11:31,980 --> 01:11:32,640
this mask.

784
01:11:33,500 --> 01:11:38,520
And so you have these kids who are reading this for long periods of time, they're just

785
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:41,340
going to, you know, they're taking it into their lungs, it's causing pneumonia.

786
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:47,100
It's just, I mean, it's, I don't know, in some ways to me, it's not really rocket science.

787
01:11:48,140 --> 01:11:49,940
And we have enough mold and sick already.

788
01:11:51,100 --> 01:11:56,480
So instead of extending this mandate, I'm suggesting that we take a fresh look at making, at masking

789
01:11:56,480 --> 01:11:58,600
and educating the public, the kids in the schools.

790
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:07,160
I'm saddened to see young kids at Kikushahine come out of the school, pop on their bikes alone, and in the pouring rain with the paper mask over their face.

791
01:12:07,700 --> 01:12:08,800
What are we doing as adults?

792
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:12,900
What's the message we are telling our kids to be afraid of our own breath when we are alone?

793
01:12:13,480 --> 01:12:21,700
Let's educate them, stay home, win sick, how and win to wear a mask, not to fiddle with it, take vitamin D and so on, protect the elders.

794
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:26,080
There is an alarming explosion in bacterial pneumonia as a result of mask wearing.

795
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:30,880
As a former business owner with employees, I would not be comfortable forcing my people

796
01:12:31,300 --> 01:12:34,180
to wear something that could possibly potentially really hurt them.

797
01:12:34,780 --> 01:12:39,180
And while I know no one wants to be this person, we are being forced to let the people

798
01:12:39,180 --> 01:12:44,400
and businesses decide we are being forced to, so please let the businesses and people decide

799
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:46,220
for themselves what they are comfortable with.

800
01:12:46,700 --> 01:12:51,140
I have a friend here in town who tested positive for COVID and went to retest during the same

801
01:12:51,140 --> 01:12:52,240
time I'm almost done.

802
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:56,640
they counted it and she got retested again and counted for positive and she said they

803
01:12:56,640 --> 01:13:01,680
counted it for two cases. So I'm not even sure about the numbers. This is not a political

804
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:06,560
situation but a humanitarian one. We need to support it and work together to help educate

805
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:11,100
the vulnerable, which include the children. Most of all, we need to be open to new information

806
01:13:11,100 --> 01:13:15,700
and adjust accordingly if we are wrong and be teachable enough to change our course and

807
01:13:15,700 --> 01:13:20,440
rethink how we move ahead as a community. Locking us into a time frame may reduce our

808
01:13:20,440 --> 01:13:22,460
Your ability to change the course is needed.

809
01:13:23,060 --> 01:13:26,660
Breath is our birthright and something I never dreamed I would be testifying for.

810
01:13:27,060 --> 01:13:27,940
I'm sorry I went over.

811
01:13:29,300 --> 01:13:30,520
Sara do you want to get somebody on the phone?

812
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:31,640
Thank you very much.

813
01:13:42,780 --> 01:13:46,020
We're going to be bringing in somebody who wanted to testify on the phone right now.

814
01:13:47,440 --> 01:13:49,260
All right, go ahead, ma'am.

815
01:13:49,460 --> 01:13:49,820
It's your wish.

816
01:13:49,820 --> 01:13:50,540
She's getting on the line.

817
01:13:56,600 --> 01:14:02,640
Hi, I'm Julie Stromer and I was just wondering on the ordinance that we're talking about.

818
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:09,620
So it says, and providing a penalty, who exactly is going to provide the penalty?

819
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:23,120
Okay, well, I mean, just in case it would be going to be the police, I think that would be really a really big joke.

820
01:14:23,460 --> 01:14:31,480
Because our law enforcement officers have taken an oath to protect us physically and to protect our constitutional rights.

821
01:14:32,340 --> 01:14:34,580
They have real police stuff to do.

822
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:39,880
We've got an open border with all kinds of deadly drugs coming across.

823
01:14:40,620 --> 01:14:45,220
They have, our police men and women have to do their job.

824
01:14:45,980 --> 01:14:49,120
And I think this would just be, like I said, a really big joke.

825
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:56,220
Thank you, Ferri, do you have someone on the line?

826
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:01,460
Yes, so go ahead and get

827
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:28,640
- We have another person come up, Sarah, can you be getting somebody on the line while they do it? Go ahead, come up, ma'am. I just want to make sure that the people who signed up to be calling it a chance. You guys are great at it.

828
01:15:32,700 --> 01:15:36,700
Hello. My name is Linda Marlin. You folks know me as LJ.

829
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:40,420
I want to go back a little bit.

830
01:15:40,420 --> 01:15:50,180
But in 2003 we had anthrax, we also had SARS, COVID, 2006, we had the months, the U.K.

831
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:55,300
life, Samanilla, swine flu, bird flu, and MRSA.

832
01:15:55,940 --> 01:15:58,740
It did not close this town down, not at all.

833
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:01,720
I worked through it up at the Bayview restaurant.

834
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:07,440
But in my travels here lately, I had to go down, do hospice with my mother.

835
01:16:07,440 --> 01:16:11,860
But I saw children in a hundred-degree weather having a hard time breathing.

836
01:16:12,780 --> 01:16:19,780
Then I shook my head and I was told that one of these kids' mother died of mold that

837
01:16:19,780 --> 01:16:21,080
collected into her lungs.

838
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:23,560
They thought she had just lung cancer, you know.

839
01:16:24,060 --> 01:16:30,940
But it was mold from her mask because she was in fear of catching COVID because it was

840
01:16:30,940 --> 01:16:33,600
raised upon her every time she turned around.

841
01:16:34,440 --> 01:16:40,360
And it was sad to see this mother pass away as something that came from a mask.

842
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:42,220
It's only a mask.

843
01:16:43,180 --> 01:16:48,900
Well, cloth mask is higher in respiratory infection than anything.

844
01:16:51,220 --> 01:16:58,740
Being a breast cancer survivor myself, my doctor told me to take my mask off as soon as I got outside.

845
01:16:59,380 --> 01:17:01,080
Because it hinders the immune system.

846
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:08,700
And all I see is two weeks later, what, the flattened occurve, it's been two years and the solution is what?

847
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:13,500
Get a shot, get a booster, then another shot, and keep wearing a mask.

848
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:16,440
And be like everyone else.

849
01:17:17,060 --> 01:17:22,120
Well, we're not two people or alike, not one shoe, we don't wear the same size.

850
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:26,700
And I'm really a gas, white kids are the issue here.

851
01:17:26,700 --> 01:17:33,640
Children have their own immune system that needs to be developed, eaten mud, whatever.

852
01:17:34,420 --> 01:17:35,860
But it's just the idea.

853
01:17:36,340 --> 01:17:37,440
You leave these kids alone.

854
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:41,980
This air is brought to you by God, not by the City Council.

855
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:47,220
Sir, sir, sir,

856
01:17:50,440 --> 01:17:52,500
do you have any banlinga, okay, go ahead.

857
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:14,120
I bet that Sarah calling from the assembly meeting.

858
01:18:14,700 --> 01:18:19,220
We are taking testimony on the mask mandate, if you could state your first and

859
01:18:19,220 --> 01:18:21,540
last name for the record, and then your two minutes will begin.

860
01:18:22,740 --> 01:18:23,400
Thank you.

861
01:18:23,940 --> 01:18:31,580
My name is Beth Shortroaks, and I am calling in tonight in favor of the mask mandate.

862
01:18:32,820 --> 01:18:38,840
We had, as everybody knows, we had really high COVID numbers in mid-July, and we put the

863
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:44,000
first mask mandate into effect, and drop the numbers down to the point where schools could

864
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:50,460
open, schools open smoothly. They've been open, you know, in contrast to other places in Alaska,

865
01:18:50,780 --> 01:18:56,440
like the Map 2 Valley and Kachikan more schools have closed down in places where there are no

866
01:18:56,440 --> 01:19:04,940
masking requirements. And so the mask mandate has helped. And this latest version is even a milder

867
01:19:04,940 --> 01:19:12,000
version, you know, from the one that we had before. This is requiring masks only in times of high

868
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:19,960
COVID Alert. And it's going to help keep schools open and that is really of the

869
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:25,100
utmost importance. I have a high school student here at home and I've seen that

870
01:19:25,100 --> 01:19:32,640
going back to school has made a huge, how's that a huge difference in her, just

871
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:39,280
in her mental health, in her academic health and she needs to stay in school and

872
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:41,740
And all of the kids that can need me to stay in school

873
01:19:41,740 --> 01:19:45,700
and this next mandate is going to help ensure that that happens.

874
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:51,740
So I appreciate the assembly for their service

875
01:19:51,740 --> 01:19:54,140
and for continuing to issue and urge them

876
01:19:54,140 --> 01:19:55,300
to vote in sport of it.

877
01:19:55,540 --> 01:19:55,880
Thank you.

878
01:20:01,420 --> 01:20:02,840
What anyone else like to come up?

879
01:20:10,670 --> 01:20:12,150
You have another one after this?

880
01:20:12,350 --> 01:20:12,670
Okay.

881
01:20:16,380 --> 01:20:17,160
Grenade if we can.

882
01:20:24,270 --> 01:20:24,750
There we go.

883
01:20:25,330 --> 01:20:27,270
Stephen Bethune, this two minute drill

884
01:20:27,270 --> 01:20:29,810
is giving me bad flashbacks to high school football practice.

885
01:20:29,810 --> 01:20:34,550
So, at the last assembly meeting, when you extended the current mask mandate,

886
01:20:34,750 --> 01:20:38,310
one of the assembly members noted that they had not heard of any people fighting over masking.

887
01:20:38,670 --> 01:20:41,270
And that's signaled to them that sitkins are okay with this ordinance.

888
01:20:41,870 --> 01:20:52,030
I'm letting you know that since all this mask of pollusa has started, I have had seven significant negative interactions where masked up seconds have given me a piece of their mind over my choosing not to wear one.

889
01:20:52,610 --> 01:20:57,290
I don't shop at businesses that enforce the mask policy, so I'm not going out of my way to provoke hostilities.

890
01:20:57,790 --> 01:21:02,170
All the hostilities and vitriol that I've seen and experienced over this issue, whether

891
01:21:02,170 --> 01:21:06,890
social media, letters to the editor or in grocery store aisles, have come from those masking.

892
01:21:07,590 --> 01:21:10,950
Those of us who choose not to wear a mask, we don't care if you wear one.

893
01:21:11,430 --> 01:21:13,890
We just don't want to be told we or our kids have to.

894
01:21:14,450 --> 01:21:18,630
So the idea that there's no fighting going on among seconds over this issue isn't true

895
01:21:18,630 --> 01:21:18,930
at all.

896
01:21:20,210 --> 01:21:24,870
This ordinance is confusing, unenforceable, because there's no requirements to provide proof

897
01:21:24,870 --> 01:21:29,890
of exemptions illegal under U.S. law concerning emergency use authorizations and

898
01:21:29,890 --> 01:21:30,750
unconstitutional.

899
01:21:31,450 --> 01:21:35,670
Going about daily life and Sitka, some stores require a mask, some don't.

900
01:21:35,930 --> 01:21:40,230
In my office, somewhere all day, some sporadically, some not at all.

901
01:21:40,790 --> 01:21:44,870
Some restaurants require one, some don't, and some even seem to be differentiating between

902
01:21:44,870 --> 01:21:46,330
whether you are seated or standing.

903
01:21:47,150 --> 01:21:51,090
Even looking around this room tonight in a city building with a city mask mandate, many

904
01:21:51,090 --> 01:21:52,010
here are unmasked.

905
01:21:52,370 --> 01:21:53,730
There's no rhyme or reason to it.

906
01:21:53,730 --> 01:22:00,310
But this is a feel good measure that is only serving to further divide our town and provides no actual medical attention.

907
01:22:01,030 --> 01:22:07,390
If you decide to pass this mandate, I'm letting you know that I will continue not to comply and will encourage others to do likewise.

908
01:22:07,970 --> 01:22:13,210
Paraphraising several historical leaders including Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Thomas Jefferson and Gandhi.

909
01:22:13,590 --> 01:22:17,730
There is a moral obligation to disobey the government when it is being unjust.

910
01:22:17,730 --> 01:22:28,130
There is a higher authority in set-geth than the City Assembly, and I will not submit to rules written in the spirit of fear, control, lies, and manipulation, even when told it is the kind and loving thing to do.

911
01:22:28,490 --> 01:22:34,930
The kind and loving thing to do is to stay steadfast to truth and not capitulate to the majority or submit to an impressive government.

912
01:22:44,650 --> 01:22:45,130
We've

913
01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:48,720
got somebody coming in on the phone.

914
01:23:08,440 --> 01:23:08,800
Hi, ma'am.

915
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:09,280
It's Sarah.

916
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:14,840
There's a two-minute time limit if you could state your first and last name and then you

917
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:15,520
can go ahead.

918
01:23:16,440 --> 01:23:16,620
Okay.

919
01:23:18,660 --> 01:23:26,460
My name is Min McConnell and I just wanted to briefly say that I'm supportive of this ordinance

920
01:23:26,460 --> 01:23:33,120
and I think it's needed and please vote yes, that's it.

921
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:36,680
Okay, thank you, man.

922
01:23:37,340 --> 01:23:39,520
All right, so May else from the public wish to come forward?

923
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:56,100
Hi, my name is Anna Hansen and I'm not here to change your minds.

924
01:23:56,580 --> 01:23:58,220
I know that they are already made up.

925
01:23:59,140 --> 01:24:02,940
I'm here to let the sponsors and the supporters of this ordinance know

926
01:24:03,380 --> 01:24:04,800
that you are not fooling anyone.

927
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:10,940
One, you know in your heart that COVID has become political, regardless your viewpoint,

928
01:24:12,100 --> 01:24:13,380
you cannot deny it.

929
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:17,280
You know that the scientific process has been correctly violated.

930
01:24:17,660 --> 01:24:22,680
You know that the citizens of Sitka and the rest of the country have been intentionally

931
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:27,400
lied to and misled to achieve an agenda of their own.

932
01:24:27,900 --> 01:24:29,820
You know you will get your way tonight.

933
01:24:29,820 --> 01:24:30,760
also

934
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:39,320
know this. Someday you will have to give an account for your life. Someday you will be judged

935
01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:48,820
choosing tyranny or validity. I know COVID, absolutely. I have recovered from it. I also know that

936
01:24:48,820 --> 01:24:55,600
if you and others, others in power could have, could have been completely honest and liberty-minded.

937
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:58,900
Your response would have been different.

938
01:24:59,100 --> 01:25:02,940
We would have been united as a nation and a community.

939
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:05,820
I do not need your permission to be free.

940
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:10,360
So you may vote, however you please, but understand this.

941
01:25:11,740 --> 01:25:16,080
I, like the growing Americans, intend to live a free life.

942
01:25:17,220 --> 01:25:21,360
And I will not be masking my family or myself.

943
01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:21,980
Thank you.

944
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:32,920
Seriously people, you need to show some decorum, all right?

945
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:42,640
Assembly members, my name is Roger Hames.

946
01:25:43,380 --> 01:25:51,820
I have several businesses in town here, family-owned, and I wear my mask out of courtesy and respect, but I am not for this right now.

947
01:25:56,220 --> 01:26:00,380
We have approximately 150 employees and I could hire 20 more tomorrow.

948
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:06,640
You all have put us businesses in a terrible situation.

949
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:11,020
We will not win no matter what, we won't win.

950
01:26:11,820 --> 01:26:13,360
It's just a no-win situation.

951
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:18,640
It's political, it's unfortunate.

952
01:26:19,580 --> 01:26:23,900
There have been yelling matches inside the store, yelling matches outside the store,

953
01:26:24,780 --> 01:26:32,820
almost to the point where the police have been called to prevent a fight from taking place.

954
01:26:35,890 --> 01:26:37,610
There's no enforcement of this.

955
01:26:38,170 --> 01:26:41,870
If there's no enforcement, why haven't, why haven't ordinance in the first place?

956
01:26:42,430 --> 01:26:43,950
It makes no sense to me.

957
01:26:44,650 --> 01:26:49,110
I currently have a mask mandate at my operations, all my stores.

958
01:26:50,030 --> 01:26:52,870
But effective tomorrow, I am not going to have a mandate.

959
01:27:04,290 --> 01:27:06,210
Assembly is going to take a five minute.

960
01:27:22,590 --> 01:27:29,640
As I mentioned, I currently have a mask mandate, but effective tomorrow, I will leave it optional.

961
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:36,840
I believe it's the best that our customers decide for themselves, and our employees decide for themselves whether they want to wear it or not.

962
01:27:37,780 --> 01:27:42,120
And I am pleased, no reaction to this, I honestly mean that.

963
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:47,240
But if there's going to be anyone find, let it start with me.

964
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:51,640
I will be at my biggest business tomorrow morning at 10 AM, not wearing a mask.

965
01:27:52,140 --> 01:27:55,460
And I will pay any fine that the employees incur.

966
01:27:56,100 --> 01:27:56,500
Thank you.

967
01:27:56,500 --> 01:27:57,440
Sir,

968
01:27:59,960 --> 01:28:00,860
do you have somebody else on the phone?

969
01:28:26,340 --> 01:28:28,660
Hi Lorraine, it's Sarah, a con from the assembly meeting.

970
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:32,560
We are taking public testimony on the mask ordinance.

971
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:35,020
There's an imposed time limit of two minutes.

972
01:28:35,220 --> 01:28:37,220
If you can state your first and last name for the record,

973
01:28:37,220 --> 01:28:38,340
and then your time will begin.

974
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:43,940
Okay, I'm in a meeting that's totally for the mask mandate.

975
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:47,940
We have to consider all of the health professionals in town

976
01:28:47,940 --> 01:28:50,660
that are giving exhausted and sick people.

977
01:28:50,660 --> 01:28:54,800
I mean, yes, with COVID, and we need the mass mandate.

978
01:28:55,260 --> 01:28:57,520
All the people that are against it are wrong,

979
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:02,920
they're not humanitarian, and they don't care about society.

980
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:06,480
Thank you very much, we need the mass mandate.

981
01:29:09,510 --> 01:29:11,730
Does anybody else from the Holocaust come speak?

982
01:29:26,980 --> 01:29:27,740
Shirley Robards.

983
01:29:28,660 --> 01:29:31,500
I've been sitting back here listening, and I'm kind of laughing,

984
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:34,220
and I'm saying to myself, isn't it funny?

985
01:29:34,220 --> 01:29:41,240
I don't know if anybody that needs to change your mask probably every hour.

986
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:44,940
You cannot tell me you'd enough play with your mask.

987
01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:47,440
And the kids do it in school.

988
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:51,840
So why are we making them wear a mask when it's not good?

989
01:29:52,900 --> 01:29:54,920
I think you guys should really think about it.

990
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:59,900
And I know that you're an ethical and you

991
01:30:00,140 --> 01:30:29,920
But you're finding more and more. You see it. People are fighting it. The airlines are fighting it. Everybody's fighting it. I think you should really think about it. And I think it's a really bad thing to make people say people after a mask. If the mask was really doing the job and clean and you don't touch it, then it'd be a different story. But you can't tell me that you didn't wear that mask yesterday. I can't believe it. Thank you.

992
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:30,760
I

993
01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:40,340
already have somebody else on the phone. Go ahead.

994
01:31:06,300 --> 01:31:11,680
Hi, Koana and Sarah. We're taking public testimony on the mask mandate. If you can

995
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:15,140
state your first and last name for the record and there has been an imposed time limit

996
01:31:15,140 --> 01:31:19,800
of two minutes. So if you can state your first and last name and then the time limit will

997
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:28,200
begin. Okay, thank you. Koana, Marley. I am testifying today in support of the mask mandate.

998
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:35,160
I actually see the majority of my fellow citizens adhering to the masking rules and expressing

999
01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:38,240
their gratitude to your leadership on this issue.

1000
01:31:38,700 --> 01:31:44,760
I can confidently say most of the town as well as our visitors support the mask mandate.

1001
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:54,720
In addition, our health officials locally and nationally support masking, and as we are

1002
01:31:56,960 --> 01:32:01,220
finding out around the country, our schools require it to operate in person.

1003
01:32:02,460 --> 01:32:08,280
However, even if our small town majority was against a masking mandate, I would hope that

1004
01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:13,840
you would take your duty seriously to protect the majority by using the information we have

1005
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:20,820
about what is going on in our hospitals locally in statewide with this virus and the benefits

1006
01:32:20,820 --> 01:32:27,040
of masking as a first line of defense make the best decisions for our town.

1007
01:32:28,300 --> 01:32:34,780
Thank you for your persistence and endurance on this issue and please support the mask

1008
01:32:34,780 --> 01:32:39,140
mandate with your vote this evening and thank you for respectfully listening.

1009
01:32:39,140 --> 01:32:41,900
Thank you.

1010
01:32:42,340 --> 01:32:44,580
All right, is anybody else from the public wish to come forward?

1011
01:32:55,130 --> 01:32:59,470
My name is Roxanne Newell, I'll probably get emotional so I'm just going to look at my

1012
01:32:59,470 --> 01:33:00,750
paper and not look at all of you.

1013
01:33:01,990 --> 01:33:04,010
So influence changes every year.

1014
01:33:04,250 --> 01:33:09,730
We get the vaccination and when it changes they don't come out and say now we got to do

1015
01:33:09,730 --> 01:33:13,470
variant so we have to get three more influenza vaccinations for the year.

1016
01:33:13,870 --> 01:33:18,430
It has the real virus in it to make us have an immunity to it.

1017
01:33:18,430 --> 01:33:23,450
COVID vaccination has no virus in it, so we're not getting the virus from it.

1018
01:33:23,810 --> 01:33:25,510
So natural immunity is the best.

1019
01:33:26,210 --> 01:33:33,210
So I went into a store in town, and I did not have my mask on for medical or mental reasons.

1020
01:33:33,550 --> 01:33:39,030
And I said that to the employee and their answer to me was I'm not going to argue with you.

1021
01:33:39,650 --> 01:33:46,410
So as a nurse, I cannot tell anybody whether you have or have not been vaccinated.

1022
01:33:46,410 --> 01:33:59,250
But now, I have to go into a store and I get asked why I'm not wearing a mask and I've got to tell my private health information in order for them to be accepted that I'm not wearing a mask.

1023
01:33:59,710 --> 01:34:06,790
So this isn't about everybody, it's about each one of us, each one of us in our lives and what we've happened.

1024
01:34:06,790 --> 01:34:08,690
I was respectful of them.

1025
01:34:08,990 --> 01:34:09,850
I didn't argue.

1026
01:34:10,150 --> 01:34:12,230
I didn't say anything to rawgatory.

1027
01:34:12,950 --> 01:34:17,290
I said, per our ordinance, it says a medical or mental reason.

1028
01:34:17,970 --> 01:34:22,070
I have that and I shouldn't have to display and say what it is.

1029
01:34:22,450 --> 01:34:24,230
That's my private health information.

1030
01:34:24,950 --> 01:34:29,090
So, if I was exposed to the vaccine, can I tell them that?

1031
01:34:29,590 --> 01:34:31,570
If I had it, can I tell them that?

1032
01:34:31,810 --> 01:34:33,110
Did I get an antibody test?

1033
01:34:33,490 --> 01:34:35,490
Nobody asked me that when I'm not wearing a mask.

1034
01:34:35,490 --> 01:34:37,310
I ask all they want to know is why I'm not wearing a mask.

1035
01:34:37,910 --> 01:34:41,190
But any one of those three things is exactly where I'm at.

1036
01:34:41,510 --> 01:34:44,190
So I have to tell you why I'm not wearing a mask.

1037
01:34:44,310 --> 01:34:49,010
If it's not my medical or mental health reason, there's no common sense of this.

1038
01:34:50,690 --> 01:34:53,870
Nurses are going and doctors are going with it because the threat of loss in their jobs.

1039
01:34:55,290 --> 01:34:59,130
There's always been germs out there, they are still out there, they've been there.

1040
01:34:59,230 --> 01:35:02,190
You've all been to Vegas, you've been to concerts, the germs aren't going away.

1041
01:35:04,010 --> 01:35:04,770
Thank you.

1042
01:35:05,930 --> 01:35:06,490
All right.

1043
01:35:06,590 --> 01:35:08,270
Sarah, do you have another present on the phone?

1044
01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:26,600
Hi, Doug.

1045
01:35:26,760 --> 01:35:28,180
It's Sarah, calling for an assembly meeting.

1046
01:35:28,260 --> 01:35:31,800
We're taking public testimony of two minutes on the mask mandate.

1047
01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:34,740
If you could state your first and last name for the record, and then your time will begin.

1048
01:35:36,020 --> 01:35:36,320
Great.

1049
01:35:36,440 --> 01:35:36,780
Thanks, Sarah.

1050
01:35:37,900 --> 01:35:43,380
My name is Doug Osborne, and I am calling in as a citizen tonight.

1051
01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:46,780
I wanted to read something that I thought was connected to this.

1052
01:35:46,780 --> 01:35:49,740
It's from the journal of the American Medical Association.

1053
01:35:50,820 --> 01:35:56,320
And it says after reviewing data from 10 previous studies, the association concluded that mask

1054
01:35:56,320 --> 01:35:59,980
wearing substantially reduces the spread of COVID-19.

1055
01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:06,640
They write that wearing a cloth mask can reduce transmission of exhaled droplets from infected

1056
01:36:06,640 --> 01:36:09,200
wearers in the air by about 50 to 70 percent.

1057
01:36:09,340 --> 01:36:14,660
Additionally, masks were shown to prevent uninfected wearers from inhaling large respiratory

1058
01:36:14,660 --> 01:36:15,260
droplets.

1059
01:36:15,260 --> 01:36:19,560
And then after that I said peer review and I got it from an article that said, do mask

1060
01:36:19,560 --> 01:36:20,060
work?

1061
01:36:20,060 --> 01:36:25,020
Here's 49 scientific studies that said why the answer is yes to that.

1062
01:36:25,100 --> 01:36:28,200
I just wanted to read a couple of the titles because I found them to be pretty credible.

1063
01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:33,900
One is the New England Journal of Medicine, Journal of Community Health, International Journal

1064
01:36:33,900 --> 01:36:34,780
of Nursing Studies.

1065
01:36:35,080 --> 01:36:39,680
The Lancet, they reviewed 172 other studies in 16 countries and they found, quote, large

1066
01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:43,640
reductions in the risk of infection, National Academy of Sciences.

1067
01:36:43,640 --> 01:36:49,440
So there's a lot of credible organizations that do these peer-reviewed studies and they

1068
01:36:49,440 --> 01:36:52,980
are putting their credibility in line and saying, yes, mass work and here's the proof.

1069
01:36:54,040 --> 01:36:59,320
And then what about mass command age, though, in 2021, the CDC published two new reports

1070
01:36:59,320 --> 01:37:04,400
on mobility and mortality weekly about masking policies and they found that one, it was linked

1071
01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:08,620
to higher rates of proper mass use and two, most importantly, they're associated with fewer

1072
01:37:08,620 --> 01:37:13,160
COVID-19 hospitalizations, and I think that everybody who's in support of

1073
01:37:13,160 --> 01:37:16,920
mask management in public places is looking for a lower case count, keep the

1074
01:37:16,920 --> 01:37:21,400
schools open. And at the front page of today's paper, it says four new cases added

1075
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:25,440
to the sick of Irish dashboard. So we know masks work, we know mask mandates work,

1076
01:37:25,640 --> 01:37:29,500
this is a tool that will help us to keep our case counts low and keep sick and safe,

1077
01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:33,860
and I just encourage all of you to vote yes and I want to thank the sponsors for being

1078
01:37:33,860 --> 01:37:35,520
courageous tonight. Thanks.

1079
01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:40,040
Okay, anybody else on the other question from forward?

1080
01:37:49,450 --> 01:37:51,630
Marshal Robertson, I'll keep this short and sweet.

1081
01:37:52,790 --> 01:37:59,170
First of all, I thank you all for drunk with power, and I thank you all political, political hacks you want to know the whole truth.

1082
01:37:59,910 --> 01:38:07,130
The last meeting, him to, she mentioned that she's only heard of three or four,

1083
01:38:07,130 --> 01:38:22,490
Or, you know, incidences where there was anybody questioning somebody about whether there were a mask or not, or vice versa, and so she thinks everybody's getting along just swimmingly and everybody's okay with this.

1084
01:38:22,810 --> 01:38:26,710
Well, as you can see just from behind me here, it's more than just a few people.

1085
01:38:27,130 --> 01:38:32,330
My daughter, yes, it was in foreign automotive, and an older gentleman came in there with a mask on.

1086
01:38:32,330 --> 01:38:35,710
he didn't have a mask, neither did anybody that was inside the establishment.

1087
01:38:36,210 --> 01:38:41,090
And he cussed her out, called her filthy names, and it's happening, isn't it?

1088
01:38:41,690 --> 01:38:50,010
It's not the people who are not wearing the mask going up in the rate people are wearing the mask, it's the other way around.

1089
01:38:50,530 --> 01:38:56,350
Second of all, I put out a post after you guys passed this thing a few weeks ago and

1090
01:38:56,350 --> 01:39:02,910
and saying, I will pay any and all fines that you guys feel you can impose on anybody.

1091
01:39:03,270 --> 01:39:08,810
I will do anything and everything if it breaks me to fight you guys every step of the way on this.

1092
01:39:09,190 --> 01:39:10,590
This is unconstitutional.

1093
01:39:10,930 --> 01:39:12,990
We have our God-given rights to breathe.

1094
01:39:13,450 --> 01:39:16,330
And it far be from any of you to interfere with that.

1095
01:39:16,730 --> 01:39:21,550
And last but not least, I am going to go around to every business owner.

1096
01:39:21,550 --> 01:39:32,070
and if we have to, you pass this saying, and you try to enforce it, and maybe we'll just stop paying our city taxes for a month or two, and we'll see where the city is in.

1097
01:39:32,530 --> 01:39:39,990
You guys need to start working for us. There's more than just one half of Sitka that you guys need to work for. You need to work for all of us.

1098
01:39:40,550 --> 01:39:42,450
Period. Have a good evening.

1099
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:48,360
Please, you guys, so you have somebody else on the phone?

1100
01:40:17,260 --> 01:40:17,900
Hello, this is Done.

1101
01:40:18,840 --> 01:40:21,060
Hi, Brett. It's Sarah calling from the assembly meeting.

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We're taking public testimony of two minutes on the mask mandate.

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If you can state your first and last name for the record,

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and then your two minutes will begin.

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Okay, can you hear me okay?

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Yes.

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All right. My name is Brett Wilcox.

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We now live in a world where medical doctors are sanctions for telling the truth,

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as well, unlicensed and untrained people

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pretend to be doctors.

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Some of the more famous imposters

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include the principal owner of the World Health Organization,

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Dr. Bill Gates, the quote unquote,

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head of the World Health Organization, Dr. Ted Drove,

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and Dr. Joe Biden.

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They know that the real purpose of the mask

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is to keep us locked in fear.

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Here makes the herd bag and chair for the vaccine Jesus,

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the same vaccine Jesus that has killed more Americans

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in eight months, and all other vaccines

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have killed in the past 20 years.

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with vaccine Jesus leads to vaccine passports.

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Vaccine passports will be tied to social credit scores.

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Social credit scores will be followed by universal digital currency.

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Universal digital currency results in complete control by global creditors.

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The creditors can then deny access to food, water, medicine, employment, housing,

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and travel to all who refuse to submit to their demands.

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This is the world that you are helping to usher in.

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In this world, doctors, Christiansen, Duncan, Imchute, Moser, and Knox, you and your families

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will have three choices.

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One, compliance slave to the predators, two, non-compliant prisoners, three, dead.

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The goal was never two weeks to flatten the curve.

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The goal was always global slavery and genocide.

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Forced facial p2 shackles is the first step.

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Flavory and genocide the last.

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Your minds are likely screaming as trained, conspiracy theory.

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You're half right, conspiracy yes, theory no.

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01:42:13,780 --> 01:42:16,580
The conspirators have laid out their plans for all to see.

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I could cite the references, but it wouldn't make any difference because you wouldn't look.

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You've demonstrated that you're incapable of learning.

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As such, you're unfit for public office.

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Dr. Lee Marrett says that anyone who believes in masks is either being paid or played.

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Either way, you're unfit for public office.

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mask in the public has never been about health. It has always been about our

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inalienable rights, science, and truth versus the agenda of global predators.

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Will your posterity one day look back and remember you as co-conspirators or as

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the tender blanket and a mark of freedom?

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All right, thank you. Anybody else

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can I come forward to speak?

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Amy Batoon, good evening. I came tonight with several

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For reasons to vote no, there is no statistically meaningful difference in COVID infection rates

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between mask mandated and unmannedated populations.

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And at least 47 studies confirm masks are useless against viral transmission, 32 show negative

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health effects, and at least 9 that do claim face masks are effective.

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But experts report they have significant problems, including with their methodology.

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Proficial government sources the COVID survival rate remains enormously high still on par with historical seasonal flu rates.

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That's hard to believe given the media coverage.

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If we had publicized the number of flu deaths like we have COVID we'd all be terrified of the flu.

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We've never masked to prevent the flu.

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But then again we've never ignored the studies like we have now.

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Many hospitals are overrun, but one might expect that, given how many doctors and staff have resigned after refusing vaccine employer's vaccine mandates.

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Seems hospitals have contributed to their own problem, and their patients are the ones to pay for it.

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In a carrot and stick scenario, mandated masks are one of the sticks for the experimental, still experimental vaccine push.

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The

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demonization of those unwilling to accept it, and discriminatory vaccine passports, and a global social credit system, as Brett mentioned, like Communist China's.

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It's obviously political in nature.

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And that's why people are so upset. It's not just about the mass. It's about what they've begun.

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It looks like you still have research to do, given that the medical narrative differs so significantly from the actual data. Since mass are part of the framework for the vaccine push, does the CDC or do other advisory, I'm almost done, other advisory bodies own vaccine patents? Are they making money from COVID-19 vaccine sales?

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Our hospitals and doctors receiving money or bonuses from pharmaceutical companies for increased patient vaccine compliance have contracts been signed that restrict hospitals from prescribing proven therapeutics until you receive answers to these questions, you don't know whether anyone advising you has a conflict of interest, so I argue that you can't properly weigh their advice.

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Finally, it's illegal.

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Mass are only approved by the FDA for COVID under emergency use authorization, which means legally you must get consent.

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You cannot mandate a medical device under an EUA.

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You must allow one to decline.

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Please wrap it up.

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Thank you.

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I urge you to vote no.

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Go ahead.

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Call out in assembly, huh?

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Pretty sad what you do with this city.

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That's first of all.

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Turn on the light.

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How do you do that?

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01:46:30,980 --> 01:46:31,840
Please take your name, please.

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I'm August Bacar, and I just want you all

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to listen to a little something real quick.

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Be a jerk.

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Four months, the US was transformed into an obedient socialist country.

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Government dictated what events are acceptable to attend.

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Violent protests that instill fear are OK.

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But church services, family funerals, and patriotic celebrations

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are, and you bought it.

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Graduation line is a safety hazard. Small businesses were forced to close, but crowds to support the corporate money machine at Walmart, Lowe's, and Home Depot are okay.

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2400 dollars that we stole out of your paycheck in the first place.

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Enjoy!

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Buy something with it from a big corporation.

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Cash is dirty. We can't give change. There's a coin shortage. Use your card.

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In four months, they convince you to use a traceable card for everything.

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In less than four months, government closed public schools,

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then restructured education under the guise of public safety.

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In less than four months, our government demonstrated how easily people assimilate to guidelines

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that have no scientific premise whatsoever when you are fearful.

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In less than four months, our government successfully instilled fear

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in a majority of the population in America that allows them to control every aspect of your life,

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including what you eat, where you go, who you see, and your choice.

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And that's a wrap, y'all have a great night.

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All right, would anyone else like to come forward?

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Good evening, my name is Stacey Moody, and I'm here as a business owner and operator for

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Sikka Reddy-Mix and Renewal Equipment, but this short amount of time, I can't read what I've got.

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But this ordinance is bad for business, especially here, and we're trying to make business

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good here in SICKA, you know, we pay you taxes.

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I was torn when this ordinance first came out on how to put my signs up on my doors.

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I put signs up.

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and I started watching my customers drive in, see the signs drive out, I'm like,

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well great, now I'm losing my customers. So I stopped one. One's actually here

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in this, in this audience. I stopped him. I'm like, hey, what's up? Oh, well, do I

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have to wear a mask to come in? I said, no, it's your choice. I believe in free

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choice. Anyways, with that, you know, I totally agree with where Roger Hanks came

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from tonight, what he said, and made the audience go wild.

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I'm sorry he made it go wild, but I totally agree with it.

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You know, this ordinance, you know, it's a violation of our first amendment right under

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the U.S. Constitution.

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Freedom of expression cannot be suppressed or limited in any way.

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Muffling a voice, forcing the covering against our will for freedom of facial expression,

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and even reducing our ability to breathe

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and speak properly is a hindrance in violation.

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You know, and all this does is instill fear.

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I've noticed one thing, you know,

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our city COVID smart sheet keeps on taking away

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the transparency of all the information

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for our general public.

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So now we're being limited on what we can find out

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At our current alert levels, you know, they've changed to make it near impossible of getting

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out of the high alert status.

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As of Sunday, our current cases, per the last seven days, was 10 cases total, which would

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have been 1.43 cases per day under the old alert system.

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This would have been considered one or moderate.

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And going off memory, our high status began at eight cases per day.

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Okay, thank you.

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It

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was Tam Fondell, I've literature for 34 years, and I own a business here in Tom Goldsmith Gallery for 31 of those 34 years.

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Three weeks from now, approximately, I will close those doors permanently.

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And a lot of the reason that I'm closing those doors has to do with incremental steps that have been made due to reactions to a virus.

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And one of those reactions is a mask, and another one of those reactions is social distancing.

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another reaction and down the chain, and down the chain until we have so damn many reactions that we don't even know which way to turn.

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My place has been mask free, will be for the next three weeks, always.

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I will not wear a mask in my store.

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I don't require anybody to do so, I will not mask.

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I am tired of giving up my freedoms for things that are continually influx.

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The ideas of masks has been all over the board from our

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Stated Fauci, all the way through to who and everywhere.

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None of it has, it's a moving target all the time.

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So you're going to take something that you think is so rock solid

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and force it upon all the citizens read this town.

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Not me.

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I'm done.

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I'm finished.

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I'm finished with a business that I loved.

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for many, many reasons that have nothing to do with the virus it has to do with the reactions only to that virus.

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01:53:05,740 --> 01:53:13,580
I'm not retiring. I'm not finishing because I enjoy, want to go off and just lay on a beach somewhere. That's not my plan.

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I would have worked. I would have had a way different exit strategy than this one is.

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But I'm one of tens of thousands of businesses all over our country and our world.

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And I will not be the last and I likely, I'm not going to be the last in this town to shut my doors permanently.

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Your saber rattling is nothing but that, and it's political posturing.

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I'm just beyond disgusted when I look at 34 years in this town and see this happening.

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It's really sad, I've loved Sitka and I still do, and I've loved the citizens who have supported and

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And been here for me as I grew a business in this town.

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And I will wrap it up with this is BS.

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Thank you very much.

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All right, let's ask them to come.

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Would somebody else like to come forward?

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I'm

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curiously about that.

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01:54:24,940 --> 01:54:33,500
Karen Comis, government and medical officials continue to promise that they are able to eliminate these infections and deaths.

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And we citizens keep giving away more and more of our freedoms and

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liberties because of their claim that these measures will keep us safe.

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They are very persuasive lies, they are lies in the name of public health.

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The people of Sikha must decide what is more important, human rights and

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constitutional freedoms, or the false security promised by elected officials.

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I do rejoice that more and more people are waking up to these lies and

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And these people are choosing liberty over brutal totalitarianism in the name of public health.

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According to the Sikha Charter Section 17.04, every officer of the municipality before entering upon the duties of their offices shall take and subscribe to the following oath and affirmation.

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I do solemnly swear or affirm that I will support and defend the Constitution of United

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States and the Constitution of the State of Alaska and that I will faithfully discharge

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my duties to the best of my ability.

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01:55:46,940 --> 01:55:53,820
What is unacceptable is elected officials who have raised their hands and pledged under oath

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to uphold the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of Alaska but are not doing so.

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Simply said, elected officials cannot pick and choose what laws they want to follow and cannot violate constitutional rights.

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Voting yes on ordinance 2021-32 is voting against civil liberties and human rights.

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I stand against tyranny, and I will not and have not worn a mask.

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01:56:29,720 --> 01:56:31,100
Anybody else like to come forward?

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01:56:53,090 --> 01:56:55,270
Okay, thank you and good evening, members of the assembly.

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01:56:55,410 --> 01:57:01,750
My name is Jay Leno and I address you today during this time in American history where our nation's security has never been so threatened.

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01:57:02,590 --> 01:57:07,270
You know the never ending COVID narrative? Are you tired of it yet? I know I am.

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01:57:07,890 --> 01:57:13,370
We are at war. Can you see it? If you can, I ask what or who is the enemy?

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01:57:13,990 --> 01:57:18,610
If you were to ask me, I wouldn't say the enemy is a virus, maybe you see the threat

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01:57:18,610 --> 01:57:24,170
differently than I do. I tend to think critically and logically. I reflect upon my own personal

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experiences and understand the meaning of the world. In the beginning of the pandemic

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I was concerned, I was hypersensitive. It's just to flatten the curve became my motto as

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I explained away the threat and the need to hunker down. Then as time pressed on, the narrative

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have changed and it has consistently changed and will if you continue to let it.

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So what price are you willing to pay for peace?

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What point shall you say that this is enough?

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01:57:50,670 --> 01:57:55,690
The last time I checked this is United States of America, not the United States of Soviet

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01:57:55,690 --> 01:57:56,130
America.

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This is the land of the free and home to the brave.

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We are the last stand on earth where immigrants come to experience the American dream and

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01:58:05,650 --> 01:58:11,310
and escape totalitarian dictators, and if we lose this freedom here, there is no place to escape.

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You may believe in the full power of centralized government, and I am here to remind you that our founding fathers sought to minimize government overreach because they knew the government does not control things.

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And the government cannot control the economy without controlling the people.

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And they know when a government sets out to do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose.

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They also knew that outside of this legitimate function, government does nothing as well as economically as the private sector of the economy.

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Our natural, enable rights are now considered to be an allowance given to us by the government, you are elected officials.

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And the freedom has never been so fragile, so close to slipping from our grasp as it is in this moment in time.

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I know you were worried and rightly so, but your concern is guided or misguided, and I pray God opens your eyes before it's too late.

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Anybody else would like to speak?

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Good evening, my name is Perry Comus, and we've been residents here for ten years.

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01:59:24,200 --> 01:59:25,900
It's my first time to address.

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I'd like to address the free citizens of Sitka, first, the assembly and the mayor.

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First, the bad news, your US government from the highest office and agencies has been

1320
01:59:38,640 --> 01:59:45,680
taken hostage by enemies both foreign and domestic, enemies of freedom, by birth, and

1321
01:59:45,680 --> 01:59:47,500
enemies of the US Constitution.

1322
01:59:48,460 --> 01:59:52,220
Let that sink in, I'm not attempting to be dramatic.

1323
01:59:53,480 --> 01:59:57,920
This was perfectly illustrated when just two days ago, President Joe Biden's

1324
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:06,760
In mid sentence. Yesterday, U.S. Senator James Reich demanded, we know who is making decisions

1325
02:00:06,760 --> 02:00:13,600
in this act of puppeteering of the commander in chief. Think about what we're dealing with here.

1326
02:00:15,400 --> 02:00:21,320
We could discuss how this has happened for hours, but here we are in midstream. History books will be

1327
02:00:21,320 --> 02:00:28,000
written that will hopefully tell the true story. So how is this bad news of a federal government

1328
02:00:28,000 --> 02:00:33,860
soft coup manifesting here in Sitka. Simple. We're watching it happen before our very eyes.

1329
02:00:35,660 --> 02:00:41,800
One, the medical, professions, and industry have also been hijacked and forced to promote an

1330
02:00:41,800 --> 02:00:48,400
unscientific, ineffective, and unsafe narrative of mask and vaccine mandates rather than highly

1331
02:00:48,400 --> 02:00:55,660
effective and economical pre-hospital treatments. These treatments are known the world over

1332
02:00:55,660 --> 02:01:01,140
and becoming mainstream in other countries that are requiring their use.

1333
02:01:02,500 --> 02:01:05,900
This national direction has obviously made billions of dollars for

1334
02:01:05,900 --> 02:01:09,560
the most powerful drug companies that fund medical schools and other entities.

1335
02:01:09,980 --> 02:01:14,760
Like we're spoken about tonight seeking a competitive advantage over alternatives.

1336
02:01:15,720 --> 02:01:20,420
And here number two, now our local medical establishment that's been hijacked.

1337
02:01:20,420 --> 02:01:28,200
High Jack and commissions are pressuring this local assembly to move toward policies and mandates, which are against the law.

1338
02:01:28,280 --> 02:01:29,540
Please wrap it up.

1339
02:01:32,030 --> 02:01:44,050
Masks are EUA, and so what I would ask tonight is I would ask for an assembly member to ask in public our city attorney if masks are EUA, and

1340
02:01:44,050 --> 02:01:50,770
to give the fine citizens of SITCA a determination of whether we know that masks are EUA.

1341
02:01:50,770 --> 02:01:54,370
And if they are EUA, they're illegal to man-rate.

1342
02:01:55,190 --> 02:01:55,790
Wrap it up.

1343
02:01:59,100 --> 02:02:00,520
Anyone else wish to come forward?

1344
02:02:19,290 --> 02:02:20,030
Good evening.

1345
02:02:20,750 --> 02:02:21,290
Blossom.

1346
02:02:22,550 --> 02:02:23,510
Teal Olsen.

1347
02:02:27,600 --> 02:02:30,960
I was shopping at Seamart this evening,

1348
02:02:31,800 --> 02:02:36,260
listening to the radio, and listening

1349
02:02:36,260 --> 02:02:38,400
to all of their emotion in this room.

1350
02:02:40,020 --> 02:02:50,960
and it's very clear that Sikka is very divided on this matter. And so I came to come and speak,

1351
02:02:51,360 --> 02:02:59,320
even though I don't like speaking in front of people, just to say this isn't the Sikka that I know.

1352
02:03:00,560 --> 02:03:08,320
I grew up in Sikka. I had moved here since 1994. I've gone to church with people in this

1353
02:03:08,320 --> 02:03:12,320
from Coak and Gary Oynas, Tam Fondel,

1354
02:03:13,850 --> 02:03:17,620
I shop safely at Seymourt,

1355
02:03:18,910 --> 02:03:21,460
Kevin, we've been to church.

1356
02:03:22,180 --> 02:03:24,040
I've gone through tours,

1357
02:03:27,340 --> 02:03:29,760
classes on CPR and safety.

1358
02:03:31,270 --> 02:03:34,080
The big message is this is a community

1359
02:03:34,710 --> 02:03:37,880
and it's divided and it's very sad to see it this way.

1360
02:03:37,880 --> 02:03:45,420
And I understand that people have freedom and I understand your big obstacle of a choice

1361
02:03:45,420 --> 02:03:52,140
that you have here tonight and what I have to say is that I know that you guys will act

1362
02:03:52,140 --> 02:04:00,600
in our best interest and you guys are awesome for sitting in this room listening to all

1363
02:04:00,600 --> 02:04:10,860
of this emotion tonight, in closing, I hope Cicca can really come together and stop being so divided on such an issue.

1364
02:04:11,540 --> 02:04:12,500
That is so trivial.

1365
02:04:13,320 --> 02:04:13,900
Thank you.

1366
02:04:16,360 --> 02:04:18,120
Hey, would anyone else like to come forward?

1367
02:04:31,250 --> 02:04:35,590
My name is Jeremy Twaddle, I'm a lifelong citizen in Cicca.

1368
02:04:36,130 --> 02:04:40,530
I did not intend on speaking here tonight, but a

1369
02:04:42,640 --> 02:04:44,680
back and up a little bit, I typed a little over there.

1370
02:04:44,680 --> 02:04:48,200
So I have two children in the sickest school district, and I'm also a business owner.

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02:04:49,320 --> 02:04:56,400
I see that this mandate that the city has created has caused a huge divide, as we just heard.

1372
02:04:57,960 --> 02:05:01,500
By implementing this mandate, you have forced people to take a side.

1373
02:05:02,340 --> 02:05:08,700
I do agree that some people may have special needs and need to wear a mask, and they should be able to do so without harassment.

1374
02:05:08,700 --> 02:05:14,760
I would agree that people need to feel safe, people should have their independent right to

1375
02:05:14,760 --> 02:05:18,560
get a vaccine if they would like, people should have a right to wear a mask if they would

1376
02:05:18,560 --> 02:05:23,640
like, people should have the right to not wear a mask if they would choose, and people

1377
02:05:23,640 --> 02:05:27,740
should have a right to let their bodies in natural immunity protect them if that's what

1378
02:05:27,740 --> 02:05:28,340
they would choose.

1379
02:05:29,620 --> 02:05:32,380
This mandate is not helping people come together.

1380
02:05:34,060 --> 02:05:42,580
If the mask keep people safe, then I say absolutely let people wear masks, but I do not mandate and force people to wear them.

1381
02:05:43,400 --> 02:05:49,900
I would not agree with a previous statement either that most citizens are happy to wear masks, otherwise you would not have to have a mandate.

1382
02:05:51,480 --> 02:05:59,540
I ask that you do not provide a blanket mandate approach for the citizens, I ask that you let people choose for themselves how best to take care of their bodies.

1383
02:06:00,280 --> 02:06:00,880
Thank you.

1384
02:06:00,880 --> 02:06:01,600
Okay,

1385
02:06:04,370 --> 02:06:05,530
anyone else like to come forward?

1386
02:06:14,980 --> 02:06:20,080
My name is Richard Dolan, I didn't actually plan on speaking tonight, but sometimes when

1387
02:06:20,080 --> 02:06:23,100
you hear something like this, you've just got to say something.

1388
02:06:24,000 --> 02:06:34,240
I remember a few months back, I saw a man riding down the road on a big Harley, no helmet, but

1389
02:06:34,240 --> 02:06:35,160
he had his mask on.

1390
02:06:37,340 --> 02:06:44,440
And, you know, that just kind of opened my eyes really to where we're at.

1391
02:06:47,600 --> 02:06:52,540
I'm not looking around and seeing stacks of people in the street that are dead.

1392
02:06:54,060 --> 02:07:03,100
I think we've got to put this into a reality situation and realize that, yes, I'm not saying people don't die of COVID.

1393
02:07:03,100 --> 02:07:06,220
but I know they do and I feel very bad that they do.

1394
02:07:07,100 --> 02:07:09,400
But I also have to put it into context

1395
02:07:09,400 --> 02:07:12,600
that we're killing people's minds.

1396
02:07:13,920 --> 02:07:16,020
People are losing their minds over this

1397
02:07:16,020 --> 02:07:16,920
and it's really sad.

1398
02:07:18,080 --> 02:07:20,460
And I think we've got to understand

1399
02:07:20,460 --> 02:07:23,980
that there's more to it than just a physical disease.

1400
02:07:24,600 --> 02:07:26,340
It's turned into a mental disease.

1401
02:07:27,640 --> 02:07:29,400
And I really feel sorry for people

1402
02:07:29,400 --> 02:07:30,860
that are so overwhelmed by it.

1403
02:07:30,860 --> 02:07:35,480
And I hope that we can get a handle on this before it takes over.

1404
02:07:37,960 --> 02:07:42,900
Like I said, I'm not really prepared for what I would like to say here tonight, but I feel very

1405
02:07:42,900 --> 02:07:48,340
strongly. And I think we will find out tonight what a democracy really is, whether this is a

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02:07:48,340 --> 02:07:54,380
democracy. I think we have to say, resoundingly, the citizens that are in this room have spoken,

1407
02:07:54,380 --> 02:08:02,480
And it is a pretty obvious that the most people are against the mask and date, and I don't know how we can say it any different.

1408
02:08:03,200 --> 02:08:03,560
Thank you.

1409
02:08:07,720 --> 02:08:09,220
Anyone else like to come forward?

1410
02:08:15,840 --> 02:08:18,220
Okay, we'll bring it back to the assembly then.

1411
02:08:19,320 --> 02:08:21,400
Oh, they're waiting to come forward.

1412
02:08:22,400 --> 02:08:22,820
All right.

1413
02:08:35,440 --> 02:08:37,640
All you need, ladies and gentlemen.

1414
02:08:41,980 --> 02:08:43,280
My name is Robert Layton.

1415
02:08:45,100 --> 02:08:54,240
I've been here a few years from Pennsylvania and I love this state, love Sitka, and it's

1416
02:08:54,240 --> 02:08:58,040
a shame that we have to go through this because all we're doing is hurting ourselves.

1417
02:08:59,680 --> 02:09:05,780
We love this town, I know you do, I don't know how long you've been here, but I've been here

1418
02:09:05,780 --> 02:09:14,080
over 40 some years in the last about 50 and I walked down the gravel roads and all

1419
02:09:14,080 --> 02:09:21,360
you're doing is alienating each other. How about the poor children in our town? I have

1420
02:09:21,360 --> 02:09:29,900
a lot of kids that I see every morning because I'm on bear watch where I live. And they wear

1421
02:09:29,900 --> 02:09:35,340
a mask and they say, Uncle Bob, why do we got to wear a mask? You don't have to wear a

1422
02:09:35,340 --> 02:09:40,180
mask and front of me, but they do when they go to school, they can't understand it.

1423
02:09:40,980 --> 02:09:46,240
And that's who we're hurting is our children. I don't know if your grandparents are not

1424
02:09:46,240 --> 02:09:54,560
I am, I'm a great grandfather. And I raise my kids. But the irony of all this is if you

1425
02:09:54,560 --> 02:10:03,020
love this town, get it together and stop this damn nonsense is what it is. And if we can't

1426
02:10:03,020 --> 02:10:07,180
I trust our president who we trust, he's bigger liar than anybody I know.

1427
02:10:09,990 --> 02:10:13,570
You can't trust Dr. Williams because he's my doctor.

1428
02:10:16,490 --> 02:10:21,490
But you have a bad time, you have a bad time, I might know it.

1429
02:10:22,490 --> 02:10:25,910
You take a lot of bunk off of everybody, we all do.

1430
02:10:26,710 --> 02:10:32,630
But I've been around the world a little bit, not every place, but it's getting really

1431
02:10:32,630 --> 02:10:41,110
really bad reminds me of the way you used to be. When you had no vote, you said the wrong

1432
02:10:41,110 --> 02:10:46,950
thing ended up in a big old ditch and they covered it with lie and they covered it up,

1433
02:10:48,010 --> 02:10:55,830
called concentration camps. I've seen it, I know. I'm in my 90s and I never want to see

1434
02:10:55,830 --> 02:11:03,470
ever again. We have a good town here. I get together and love one another and

1435
02:11:03,470 --> 02:11:08,410
straighten it around. My wife says, what do you want to talk about? I don't want to

1436
02:11:08,410 --> 02:11:13,910
say anything. I just say, I see a lot of people biting their nails. Not because

1437
02:11:13,910 --> 02:11:19,270
they want to be up there, but I think that do you represent us?

1438
02:11:19,270 --> 02:11:20,690
represent us.

1439
02:11:20,930 --> 02:11:21,930
Right, wrap it up.

1440
02:11:23,290 --> 02:11:23,770
Please.

1441
02:11:26,080 --> 02:11:26,840
I don't know.

1442
02:11:27,520 --> 02:11:29,120
I'm just, I feel so sorry.

1443
02:11:29,560 --> 02:11:30,020
Yes.

1444
02:11:30,180 --> 02:11:30,900
Really, I do.

1445
02:11:31,300 --> 02:11:31,540
Yes.

1446
02:11:31,760 --> 02:11:32,700
It's a tragedy.

1447
02:11:33,820 --> 02:11:36,040
And I made a fool out of myself again.

1448
02:11:36,300 --> 02:11:39,200
So I go back and tell my wife I love her.

1449
02:11:39,780 --> 02:11:40,620
God bless all of you.

1450
02:11:45,380 --> 02:11:46,880
Is anybody else who wants to speak?

1451
02:12:09,380 --> 02:12:09,920
Good evening.

1452
02:12:10,700 --> 02:12:11,780
My name is Louise Brady.

1453
02:12:11,780 --> 02:12:14,920
I've been born and raised in Sitka

1454
02:12:14,920 --> 02:12:18,460
as my parents were and their parents before them.

1455
02:12:19,320 --> 02:12:22,260
Thank you so much for this opportunity.

1456
02:12:22,560 --> 02:12:24,400
Thank you for giving people the opportunity

1457
02:12:24,400 --> 02:12:26,800
to say their piece.

1458
02:12:27,420 --> 02:12:29,560
I do have to say that, you know,

1459
02:12:30,360 --> 02:12:35,460
I know that I believe the ICU beds in Anchorage are full.

1460
02:12:36,880 --> 02:12:41,500
And I had a friend who almost died from COVID.

1461
02:12:41,500 --> 02:12:52,000
I know that COVID-19 has really hit the Native American community hard and people of color really hard.

1462
02:12:53,140 --> 02:13:00,740
I wear a mask because I respect my elders because I want to keep the children safe.

1463
02:13:00,740 --> 02:13:12,260
I have had a few scares this year because I have at least three comorbidities including

1464
02:13:12,260 --> 02:13:19,240
lung issues and autoimmune disease and kidney disease.

1465
02:13:20,160 --> 02:13:22,440
So I thank you for wearing your masks.

1466
02:13:22,860 --> 02:13:25,880
I will continue to wear my mask whether mandated or not.

1467
02:13:25,880 --> 02:13:42,440
I really do hope that others understand that when you're wearing your masks, you're protecting me as somebody who is at very high risk of basically dying of COVID if I get it.

1468
02:13:42,440 --> 02:13:48,960
So, I'm going to teach for serving, thank you for bringing up these difficult issues.

1469
02:13:49,240 --> 02:13:56,980
I know it can't be easy to hear a lot of this, but I also know that there are many people

1470
02:13:56,980 --> 02:13:57,820
out there listening.

1471
02:13:58,200 --> 02:14:03,640
I was listening and it just almost made me sick to my stomach and it's really hard to be

1472
02:14:03,640 --> 02:14:08,980
in here because I know people will probably, you know, are laughing at me right now, probably

1473
02:14:08,980 --> 02:14:14,540
behind my back and I'm probably not really happy with what I'm saying, but as they're saying,

1474
02:14:14,820 --> 02:14:15,760
you know, that is my right.

1475
02:14:17,100 --> 02:14:17,760
Thank you.

1476
02:14:18,300 --> 02:14:18,580
Thank you.

1477
02:14:19,740 --> 02:14:20,260
No problem.

1478
02:14:22,770 --> 02:14:24,750
So, for anyone else like to speak,

1479
02:14:32,960 --> 02:14:33,420
it's still long.

1480
02:14:36,580 --> 02:14:40,840
Qiskansi, Hino Diqiang, a place of one zone is my name in the Haida language.

1481
02:14:41,300 --> 02:14:44,460
It's always great to be a Haida here on Klingitland.

1482
02:14:45,740 --> 02:14:46,880
So thanks for that.

1483
02:14:46,880 --> 02:14:55,840
You know, it's very interesting how masks have just something in the American mind just won't accept it.

1484
02:14:56,100 --> 02:14:57,800
And we have this backward engineer.

1485
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,660
So, you'll go find any reason, anything you can find to then justify not wearing a mask. And even saying how masks don't work, they'll say how mask. Well, they stop big droplets. It's kind of amazing. Why did Japan have so few infections? Because they don't have a cultural objection to wearing masks. They've worn masks in their subway system for years. And even though they have more people living closer together than

1486
02:15:29,660 --> 02:15:33,880
And the United States does, they don't have the infections we did.

1487
02:15:34,780 --> 02:15:38,960
Kids don't want to wear life jackets, but life jackets work.

1488
02:15:39,540 --> 02:15:44,320
There's motorcycle helmets, there's seat belts, it's safety, not tyranny.

1489
02:15:44,820 --> 02:15:49,860
But I don't want to just be arguing, going tit for tat, with what's been said before,

1490
02:15:50,040 --> 02:15:51,120
because it is tough.

1491
02:15:52,120 --> 02:15:57,700
And the enforcement side is a very tricky aspect of this.

1492
02:15:58,260 --> 02:16:04,700
But I don't think the mask is the mark of the beast that I think you see a lot of people

1493
02:16:04,700 --> 02:16:11,580
saying it's just a slippery slope and you know but we have more cases than a year ago

1494
02:16:11,580 --> 02:16:15,160
when we thought it was bad. That was supposed to be the bad year.

1495
02:16:17,770 --> 02:16:18,770
And a lot of people I hear

1496
02:16:18,770 --> 02:16:25,530
talking about, I'll try to wrap up, that they're talking about all of this freedom and obedience

1497
02:16:25,530 --> 02:16:31,530
to God and all of this, but a lot of those same folks think of the World War II generation

1498
02:16:31,530 --> 02:16:37,810
as the greatest generation. And why? Because a lot of them fought, but the ones that didn't fight,

1499
02:16:38,070 --> 02:16:43,790
they sacrificed back at home, but the generation now won't, we won't even wear a mask.

1500
02:16:45,450 --> 02:16:47,610
I'll wrap it up. Thank you very much. Thank you.

1501
02:16:49,690 --> 02:16:51,090
Would anyone else like to speak?

1502
02:17:02,130 --> 02:17:06,630
Hello, my name is Brad Russell. I am a resident of Sitka.

1503
02:17:07,430 --> 02:17:13,690
I am not for the mass mandate, there is a lot of science that doesn't support it.

1504
02:17:14,290 --> 02:17:25,330
I was walking in the park yesterday with my dogs, and I came across the kids from Mount Edgcomb jogging through Totem Park, and all of them had mass on.

1505
02:17:26,670 --> 02:17:35,090
It's proven to be an oxygen deficient environment for them, it is not safe, the science does not support mass, not at all.

1506
02:17:35,090 --> 02:17:48,110
I believe everybody does have a right to wear a mask if they want, but folks, we're at a point now that we're going to have to pull together sooner or later.

1507
02:17:48,530 --> 02:17:56,090
It takes two sides to start a war, and we don't need to go down that road.

1508
02:17:56,090 --> 02:18:01,090
You know, I think we need to work on ways to pull together rather than a part.

1509
02:18:02,290 --> 02:18:05,490
And this tit for tat isn't going to solve anything.

1510
02:18:06,910 --> 02:18:10,230
People don't want to look at the science, they want to avoid it.

1511
02:18:10,410 --> 02:18:13,890
And they, you know, the last gentleman, what was it?

1512
02:18:13,990 --> 02:18:19,890
He said stated that he read an AMA study.

1513
02:18:20,430 --> 02:18:25,550
Do you know that the AMA, which is the American Medical Association,

1514
02:18:25,550 --> 02:18:29,570
is the largest political lobby in the United States of America.

1515
02:18:30,750 --> 02:18:32,030
I mean, hands down.

1516
02:18:32,730 --> 02:18:34,970
We've got to start questioning those in power.

1517
02:18:35,350 --> 02:18:38,230
You've got to look out for us, you know.

1518
02:18:38,690 --> 02:18:42,570
You've got to find ways to pull us together rather than wedges that wedges apart.

1519
02:18:43,890 --> 02:18:49,910
And, you know, I mean, all I got to say, we live in a beautiful town, a great environment.

1520
02:18:50,170 --> 02:18:51,570
You know, the air is beautiful.

1521
02:18:51,690 --> 02:18:54,570
Matter of fact, I got this shirt here, I kind of wore it for everybody.

1522
02:18:54,570 --> 02:18:58,530
It says, breathing in that good-ass prana.

1523
02:18:59,450 --> 02:19:02,650
Now, if you want something to fix you, go outside.

1524
02:19:02,990 --> 02:19:03,990
It'll take care of you.

1525
02:19:04,290 --> 02:19:04,610
It will.

1526
02:19:06,370 --> 02:19:09,310
I'm sorry, but the science is not behind you guys.

1527
02:19:10,490 --> 02:19:11,230
Thank you.

1528
02:19:13,560 --> 02:19:15,280
All right, was anybody else wish to speak?

1529
02:19:24,900 --> 02:19:25,800
Bring it back to you somewhere?

1530
02:19:28,600 --> 02:19:28,780
All right.

1531
02:19:31,260 --> 02:19:31,560
Kevin?

1532
02:19:42,930 --> 02:19:47,170
I have to say, I'm deeply, deeply saddened about how this has played out tonight.

1533
02:19:49,060 --> 02:20:03,860
As Assembly members were asked to sit up here and listen respectfully, without making comment, without cheering or

1534
02:20:03,860 --> 02:20:16,360
jeering those that come before us to express their opinions, I feel like what happened here tonight with the cheers and

1535
02:20:16,360 --> 02:20:25,700
years, to those that spoke on both sides of the issues, the issue here, push this more towards like a mob rule.

1536
02:20:31,970 --> 02:20:33,670
Please, let him speak.

1537
02:20:36,590 --> 02:20:50,150
I sat here listening respectfully to everybody and I feel like now, if I have opinions or I say anything that might be contrary,

1538
02:20:50,150 --> 02:20:54,470
I will get cheered or jeered.

1539
02:20:56,950 --> 02:21:04,690
I think regardless of the merits, it really didn't help our process here, either side.

1540
02:21:10,320 --> 02:21:12,040
I'm going to continue to wear my mask.

1541
02:21:13,400 --> 02:21:26,060
I'm going to implore everybody in Zika to do as much as they can, because the science that I read,

1542
02:21:26,060 --> 02:21:35,680
that I understand as much as I do or don't, I'm not a doctor, I'm not a scientist, sure.

1543
02:21:36,460 --> 02:21:52,530
But what I have taken in for myself and the reality that I end up seeing is that COVID is wrecking the entire globe.

1544
02:21:55,410 --> 02:22:03,730
hospitals being totally overrun, healthcare staff being totally stressed, losing

1545
02:22:03,730 --> 02:22:09,470
family members to COVID, losing close friends.

1546
02:22:14,380 --> 02:22:16,360
This is going to be an incredibly

1547
02:22:16,360 --> 02:22:17,860
hard vote for

1548
02:22:20,390 --> 02:22:24,390
all of us. And for me it's I

1549
02:22:27,170 --> 02:22:29,570
feel like the path that I'm going

1550
02:22:29,570 --> 02:22:34,750
down is not the vote that I'm going to make is not because of the efficacy and

1551
02:22:34,750 --> 02:22:43,110
the science, mind the need for this, what I feel like is a very real public health protection

1552
02:22:43,110 --> 02:22:44,930
need. Thanks.

1553
02:22:47,340 --> 02:22:47,980
Anybody else?

1554
02:22:50,020 --> 02:22:51,380
Valerie, I'll speak for that for Valerie.

1555
02:22:51,740 --> 02:22:52,720
Oh, sorry, go ahead, Valerie.

1556
02:22:55,210 --> 02:23:01,050
First of all, I think that this ordinance has done nothing but turn neighbor against neighbor.

1557
02:23:02,470 --> 02:23:07,450
Our emergency ordinances, I read in the police plotter one where somebody turned somebody in.

1558
02:23:07,450 --> 02:23:13,290
I did call the police department today trying to get an idea of how many calls they've

1559
02:23:13,290 --> 02:23:18,490
fielded and I think it would just take too much work.

1560
02:23:18,770 --> 02:23:26,230
I talked to the chief's assistant and she said mostly it's been questions about those

1561
02:23:26,230 --> 02:23:31,310
emergency ordinances and you know there may have been one or two where people were turning

1562
02:23:31,310 --> 02:23:37,110
on other people are reporting them but from what I see with this ordinance and I know Mr.

1563
02:23:37,110 --> 02:23:42,170
Christian Senator, Mr. Acting Mayor, that you believe that, you know, we want to send a strong

1564
02:23:42,170 --> 02:23:47,290
message, but we can send a strong message by doing a resolution and not passing an ordinance.

1565
02:23:47,850 --> 02:23:53,150
In my mind, and I want to ask the attorney if he's there, I can't see it that end of the table

1566
02:23:53,150 --> 02:24:00,670
if the attorney is there. But where is the due process in this? Because if you look at the

1567
02:24:00,670 --> 02:24:06,130
severability portion. It says if any portion or provision of this ordinance, an application

1568
02:24:06,130 --> 02:24:11,110
thereof to any person in circumstances is held in valid, the remainder of this ordinance

1569
02:24:11,110 --> 02:24:18,550
application thereof to any person in circumstances shall not be affected thereby. So what does that

1570
02:24:18,550 --> 02:24:22,970
mean? Is the attorney there to answer that? Brian,

1571
02:24:25,350 --> 02:24:29,950
I am here and that standard severability

1572
02:24:29,950 --> 02:24:41,840
the language that considers and speculates about the possibility that there could be provisions

1573
02:24:41,840 --> 02:24:47,340
in this that isn't enforceable. It's a boilerplate thing you see in a lot of language, it's

1574
02:24:47,340 --> 02:24:52,400
not something that I do, it's something that was presented to me. I didn't see any reason

1575
02:24:52,400 --> 02:24:56,380
and not to take out the severability clause in it,

1576
02:24:56,600 --> 02:25:02,700
and I can only speculate on what provisions might not pass

1577
02:25:02,700 --> 02:25:05,640
muster and accord it if it would ever to come up.

1578
02:25:06,600 --> 02:25:07,240
Thank you.

1579
02:25:07,420 --> 02:25:12,120
All right, and then I will go on to the enactment,

1580
02:25:12,420 --> 02:25:16,180
face section one, face covering mandate on page two of three,

1581
02:25:16,600 --> 02:25:18,060
and it's got all these exceptions.

1582
02:25:18,060 --> 02:25:34,340
And, you know, if I have a police officer that doesn't like me, and I'm not wearing a mask in what might be deemed a public place, and they come and they say to me, we're going to find you $50.

1583
02:25:34,340 --> 02:25:39,580
dollars. There's no appeal that I can do or anything. I can tell them that I have a medical condition.

1584
02:25:41,060 --> 02:25:48,100
Oh my gosh, I'm on low battery. I'm going to have to cut the short or go plug it in. But no, I can tell them that I have a medical condition.

1585
02:25:48,880 --> 02:25:57,040
But because my medical history is my own business between me and my care providers, I don't have to show them that medical proof.

1586
02:25:57,300 --> 02:26:03,460
And I'll tell you something else. I learned something very valuable in the last three months that I've been dealing with the health issue.

1587
02:26:03,460 --> 02:26:10,500
I in July was told that the possibility of the big C was to back. No, not COVID cancer.

1588
02:26:11,280 --> 02:26:15,280
I made two trips to Seattle for several tests.

1589
02:26:16,200 --> 02:26:20,720
And the last trip to Seattle, I was told I had to get a COVID test.

1590
02:26:21,260 --> 02:26:26,520
I can't be vaccinated because of allergies and because of my medical history.

1591
02:26:27,000 --> 02:26:29,100
But they told me I needed to have a COVID test.

1592
02:26:29,100 --> 02:26:41,940
So I had a COVID test and the next day after my MRI, I'm meeting with my oncologist and she says, I don't know what's changed in two weeks. Your blood counts are up. It doesn't look like the lesion has grown.

1593
02:26:43,420 --> 02:26:49,540
Oh, but I see you have an inconclusive COVID test, Ms. Nelson, and I said, well, inconclusive.

1594
02:26:49,560 --> 02:26:50,860
That means I don't have it, right?

1595
02:26:51,280 --> 02:26:55,800
Oh, no, we treat every inconclusive as positive, and you have to be retested immediately.

1596
02:26:56,520 --> 02:27:03,420
I was treated like I had a big C on my forehead for COVID, and NV, not vaccinated.

1597
02:27:03,420 --> 02:27:10,580
And I had this large gentleman in full hazmat gear come, escort me down to the COVID testing

1598
02:27:10,580 --> 02:27:16,320
site again and I was ready to fly out the next day to come home and I got a call Thursday night

1599
02:27:16,320 --> 02:27:21,420
from cancer care alliance saying well guess what this one's positive you got a quarantine here

1600
02:27:21,420 --> 02:27:28,480
for two weeks and I said I have no symptoms I've not been sick other than like a cold on the last trip

1601
02:27:29,720 --> 02:27:37,140
but if COVID can make it look like I'm dying of cancer and I can you know I'm not really sick

1602
02:27:37,140 --> 02:27:43,760
then I'd rather die of COVID than cancer and I think that this ordinance isn't the right time

1603
02:27:43,760 --> 02:27:49,980
and I think if you want to do something that's meaningful you should do a resolution that doesn't

1604
02:27:49,980 --> 02:27:55,480
pit neighbor against neighbor get rid of the mandate and the fines and say in the resolution

1605
02:27:55,480 --> 02:28:02,100
we highly encourage people. I mean it's time for us to stop ruining people's business and my heart

1606
02:28:02,100 --> 02:28:05,780
goes out to Roger Hames for getting up and speaking tonight.

1607
02:28:06,200 --> 02:28:11,940
So, I'm a definite no, and I'm figuring that the three of you sponsors have already made up your mind.

1608
02:28:12,380 --> 02:28:17,740
And so, I hope that one of the Kevin's or both of the Kevin's can see some logic.

1609
02:28:17,980 --> 02:28:18,380
Thank you.

1610
02:28:19,920 --> 02:28:21,400
Would anyone else like to speak?

1611
02:28:24,340 --> 02:28:27,340
People, let's have some decorum, please, Kevin.

1612
02:28:28,320 --> 02:28:37,230
So, I was trying to write things down and have a clear thought, but I do have to concur with Mr. Knox.

1613
02:28:38,670 --> 02:28:44,550
Although people are very passionate, I'm very, very disappointed with the way the demeanor, the meeting is taken.

1614
02:28:46,490 --> 02:28:50,090
There's a reason why there's rules not to be hollering, clapping, booing.

1615
02:28:50,590 --> 02:28:53,890
I felt it was very disrespectful for everyone in the entire process.

1616
02:28:53,890 --> 02:28:58,410
And when you're respecting this, you're not respecting just, if you don't respect us, that's fine.

1617
02:28:59,070 --> 02:29:02,970
You're respecting the people of Sitka by respecting that process.

1618
02:29:03,370 --> 02:29:06,090
I'm very upset and frustrated and disappointed.

1619
02:29:06,510 --> 02:29:09,070
I'm frustrated for us being called names.

1620
02:29:10,270 --> 02:29:15,190
Kevin's right, we're supposed to sit here not have an a facial emotion while people go rail at us.

1621
02:29:18,200 --> 02:29:21,420
So I'm just going to say, I'm just saying, I'm upset.

1622
02:29:21,420 --> 02:29:26,860
That, and I have that right, so I'm going to speak my mind.

1623
02:29:27,920 --> 02:29:33,240
My position has not changed, I'll say the same thing because most people who were in this

1624
02:29:33,240 --> 02:29:38,420
room did not hear me when I said yes the first time, and by the way this is basically the

1625
02:29:38,420 --> 02:29:40,140
same ordinance that's already in effect.

1626
02:29:40,760 --> 02:29:46,360
It's just meant so that when we're in a high, it is in effect and when it goes low or not

1627
02:29:46,360 --> 02:29:47,640
high, it's not in effect.

1628
02:29:48,240 --> 02:29:55,420
So we don't have to keep having meetings over and over again, but I'm going to list my points.

1629
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:25,700
I have not been a fan of having a mask. I hate it. I do not like this. This is not enjoyable for me. But what really changed my mind was the presentation by Dr. Zink, who is the chief medical officer of the state of Alaska. She did not weigh in on mandating, but she highly recommended masks and she highly recommended vaccines.

1630
02:30:27,980 --> 02:30:37,660
And I just want to, I'll keep my thought here, she also showed a presentation on the

1631
02:30:37,660 --> 02:30:41,440
contagiousness of the Delta variant, how it's a lot more contagious.

1632
02:30:42,040 --> 02:30:44,700
And the biggest thing for me was that the children cannot be vaccinated.

1633
02:30:45,560 --> 02:30:51,300
So when you are being asked to mask, it's not necessary to protect you, it's to protect

1634
02:30:51,900 --> 02:30:54,580
another child who cannot get vaccinated.

1635
02:30:54,580 --> 02:30:59,880
So you are showing respect for those children by putting a mask on.

1636
02:31:00,680 --> 02:31:12,260
Now I understand, I'm trying to get the vibe of what people are concerned about, and I understand there's some very valid concerns that people have about global and national things that are going on in this country and world.

1637
02:31:12,820 --> 02:31:24,140
But that's not here. This is Sitka, okay? So I feel like people are trying to draw all that in to hear when this is a simple mask mandate for a small town.

1638
02:31:24,760 --> 02:31:33,460
So if, and if, and here's another thing, for perspective, if people knew what's here, what some people would like, it's, this is a very light handed mandate.

1639
02:31:34,160 --> 02:31:40,220
Some people would like it to be so that it's an effect and only not an effect when we're at a low.

1640
02:31:41,080 --> 02:31:48,520
This is, there's, there's exemptions. There's a thing and they're saying that you're not supposed to harass people.

1641
02:31:49,320 --> 02:31:52,820
If you just look at the big picture of what peep some people are wanting,

1642
02:31:53,060 --> 02:31:56,340
this is actually light-handed and it compromise.

1643
02:31:57,040 --> 02:32:05,180
I do not like mandating anything, I hate it, but this is to protect children and to protect those who are most vulnerable.

1644
02:32:06,040 --> 02:32:11,020
I think that, and I did, I'm going to take some time because I've been listening for a long time.

1645
02:32:14,580 --> 02:32:17,320
See, this is what I'm talking about, this is what I'm talking about.

1646
02:32:17,320 --> 02:32:20,940
I want you to listen to me.

1647
02:32:21,380 --> 02:32:23,080
Please show some respect.

1648
02:32:23,980 --> 02:32:25,280
Nobody's trying to talk you down.

1649
02:32:33,740 --> 02:32:36,600
I'm the parliamentarian, Valerie.

1650
02:32:38,640 --> 02:32:42,780
So when people are not being respectful,

1651
02:32:43,060 --> 02:32:45,220
can't you do something about it?

1652
02:32:46,240 --> 02:32:50,720
I honestly, I mean, I can ask people to be respectful,

1653
02:32:50,720 --> 02:32:53,120
But that hasn't happened tonight.

1654
02:32:53,920 --> 02:32:55,320
Okay, thank you.

1655
02:32:55,420 --> 02:32:58,440
So, I'm going to move on, make this, kind of make it more succinct.

1656
02:32:59,060 --> 02:33:10,200
I agree that the CDC, after you're looking, done a little research, the message they have said is just the PR, the way they message it is that we're going to be doing this forever.

1657
02:33:10,380 --> 02:33:18,140
They've made a lot of mistakes, and I think it has a lot of people concerned that we're going to be masking forever, and then all these other things are going to happen.

1658
02:33:18,140 --> 02:33:21,500
I'm not, I can't control what might happen in the future.

1659
02:33:21,680 --> 02:33:28,180
All I'm saying right now for this ordinance is for a masked mandate when we are in high status.

1660
02:33:28,900 --> 02:33:29,240
That's it.

1661
02:33:29,600 --> 02:33:32,020
I'm not asking for all these other big picture things to happen.

1662
02:33:34,840 --> 02:33:38,400
I'm sure most people who spoken don't agree with me.

1663
02:33:38,680 --> 02:33:43,620
And I just, I'm flustered because of the way this has gone.

1664
02:33:45,220 --> 02:33:47,660
And I really, what Blossom said really touched me.

1665
02:33:48,720 --> 02:33:55,300
You know, this is not the sit-cut that I have grown to love.

1666
02:33:55,900 --> 02:34:00,620
And I don't think this mandate is the tyrannical thing that people were saying.

1667
02:34:00,780 --> 02:34:04,680
And by the way, there also is legal precedent for mandates and more.

1668
02:34:05,020 --> 02:34:06,920
And this is not – we're not asking for more.

1669
02:34:10,340 --> 02:34:12,940
I have more to say, but I'm just going to stop.

1670
02:34:14,000 --> 02:34:14,740
Anybody else?

1671
02:34:16,240 --> 02:34:16,720
Crystal.

1672
02:34:16,720 --> 02:34:22,880
So this is the third time that we've come here to discuss this mandate.

1673
02:34:23,440 --> 02:34:27,860
Mr. Moser mentioned this is very similar to the two previous emergency that passed.

1674
02:34:28,500 --> 02:34:32,060
And I bring that up because I try not to be repetitive.

1675
02:34:32,960 --> 02:34:36,280
The first time that I was here, I brought expert testimony.

1676
02:34:36,280 --> 02:34:41,300
So basically in the lead up, I approached physicians, public health officials saying,

1677
02:34:41,540 --> 02:34:45,800
is this something that will help the community and the numbers that we're facing.

1678
02:34:45,800 --> 02:34:51,140
The second time that I spoke, I came with numbers and I came with data.

1679
02:34:51,860 --> 02:34:55,700
I talked about ICU beds and I'll cover that very briefly tonight.

1680
02:34:57,260 --> 02:35:04,860
But I'm going to go in a more of a personal direction tonight, and so bear with me.

1681
02:35:05,860 --> 02:35:09,160
January 2020, I was starting a new job.

1682
02:35:09,360 --> 02:35:13,700
It was with the Alaska Native Tribal Health Consortium, they're based out of Anchorage.

1683
02:35:13,700 --> 02:35:20,460
they're one of the larger hospitals up there and I was super excited and then in

1684
02:35:20,460 --> 02:35:25,260
the course of two months of just trying to learn this brand new position COVID

1685
02:35:25,260 --> 02:35:31,160
happened and when that happened things changed tremendously and I see

1686
02:35:31,160 --> 02:35:37,840
exhaustion I see exhaustion in this room and I see it with the workers at A and

1687
02:35:39,320 --> 02:35:47,180
I especially see it in the ICU units where people are trying to ventilate and keep people from passing from COVID.

1688
02:35:48,040 --> 02:35:50,600
This is overwhelming our health system.

1689
02:35:51,610 --> 02:35:57,240
We know that that's what we feared April 2020, and it is now upon us.

1690
02:35:57,620 --> 02:36:05,660
So last time I went over just the three regional hospitals that we would send folks to who need to be Medevact out of CITCA.

1691
02:36:06,780 --> 02:36:10,200
I was actually able to expand that because the numbers have changed.

1692
02:36:10,460 --> 02:36:14,460
So I was telling you we were near capacity and we were closed.

1693
02:36:14,940 --> 02:36:16,660
That was the Anchorage facilities.

1694
02:36:17,340 --> 02:36:19,580
I actually brought in that to all of South Central.

1695
02:36:19,820 --> 02:36:25,040
And again, this is from the dashboard that I went to last night as I was preparing to come here.

1696
02:36:25,820 --> 02:36:29,680
So Alaska Native Medical Center, their adult ICU, it's closed.

1697
02:36:30,480 --> 02:36:34,200
Alaska Regional Hospital, their adult ICU is closed.

1698
02:36:35,220 --> 02:36:41,020
providence. That was mentioned earlier as far as the statement that they put out by Dr. Edwards.

1699
02:36:41,360 --> 02:36:52,560
They are near capacity. Elmendorf Hospital, so on the base there, it is closed. Central Peninsula Hospital, ICU is closed.

1700
02:36:53,500 --> 02:36:59,700
Fairbanks Memorial Hospital, and let me talk about this one. I didn't bring it up because we don't send patients to Fairbanks.

1701
02:36:59,700 --> 02:37:06,600
When we came together the last time to review this, they were open, fully open.

1702
02:37:07,060 --> 02:37:11,900
No concern there, and I was looking at that thinking, what is Fairbanks doing differently from us?

1703
02:37:12,560 --> 02:37:15,300
Well, things have changed from that point until now.

1704
02:37:15,940 --> 02:37:20,320
Anchorage Daily News, they put out an article you could find it, just Google it.

1705
02:37:20,700 --> 02:37:26,720
Fairbanks Memorial Hospital, they are reconfiguring their conference rooms to accommodate more beds.

1706
02:37:26,720 --> 02:37:31,860
They are near capacity, and they're anticipating that growing.

1707
02:37:32,560 --> 02:37:36,160
And so when we're talking about people who are hospitalized, of course we don't know who

1708
02:37:36,160 --> 02:37:37,120
it will be in this room.

1709
02:37:37,600 --> 02:37:41,800
We can all come down with COVID, and we're going to handle it differently based on things

1710
02:37:41,800 --> 02:37:50,980
like vaccination status, based on comorbidity, so underlying health conditions, immunocompromised.

1711
02:37:50,980 --> 02:37:57,000
All of those things factor into who will or will not handle COVID effectively.

1712
02:37:57,880 --> 02:37:58,800
I agree.

1713
02:37:59,520 --> 02:38:05,380
Most people who come down with COVID, they're going to come through it okay.

1714
02:38:06,740 --> 02:38:12,200
But we also know personally in this town, people who have passed away from it.

1715
02:38:12,620 --> 02:38:17,280
And we know people who are really struggling in the hospital at this point in time, locally.

1716
02:38:20,700 --> 02:38:27,420
something that has come up since the last time we were looking at this is the stance on booster shots.

1717
02:38:27,660 --> 02:38:32,380
And I'm not going to get into the science of it, I'm not a scientist and I don't pretend to be.

1718
02:38:32,500 --> 02:38:34,720
But I know that's a real conversation that is happening.

1719
02:38:35,300 --> 02:38:42,680
I know that we started rolling out vaccines here in Sitka around January timeframe open to the community, mostly February March.

1720
02:38:43,220 --> 02:38:45,780
Trying to get folks who wanted the vaccination in.

1721
02:38:45,780 --> 02:39:04,840
Now, the only reason I bring that up is because we're now in that period of time where they're possibly recommending a booster so that we could increase our effectiveness, which means that folks like immunocompromised search has been taking them in out of concern that with the spread in our community, they may not fare well.

1722
02:39:05,040 --> 02:39:09,480
We have to keep that in mind and that's something that develops since the last time we came together.

1723
02:39:09,480 --> 02:39:11,940
Now, let me bring it more personal.

1724
02:39:12,400 --> 02:39:14,960
I'm going to reference a quote from Liz Medicine Crow.

1725
02:39:15,360 --> 02:39:16,620
I don't know her well.

1726
02:39:16,920 --> 02:39:18,900
I know that she's a community leader.

1727
02:39:19,520 --> 02:39:22,560
And I know I saw her at a keynote address when she said,

1728
02:39:22,800 --> 02:39:25,340
if everyone older than us is an elder.

1729
02:39:26,000 --> 02:39:28,760
And if everyone younger than us is a youth,

1730
02:39:29,140 --> 02:39:31,220
then everyone should be taken care of.

1731
02:39:32,100 --> 02:39:34,120
That's from her value system.

1732
02:39:34,480 --> 02:39:36,000
That's from my value system.

1733
02:39:36,540 --> 02:39:43,920
So, basically one year ago there was an election going on and I basically had to spend 10 weeks showing you who I am.

1734
02:39:44,380 --> 02:39:52,620
I had to put my values on display for you and I had to ask you to put me into this position to cast this vote when it comes to COVID.

1735
02:39:53,560 --> 02:39:57,280
I showed you what my values are and I stand by that.

1736
02:39:57,280 --> 02:40:05,920
So when I talk about concern for children, we know that as of today, 12 and under still cannot be vaccinated.

1737
02:40:06,520 --> 02:40:15,340
Which means if you can think facts to November of last year, they were talking about the possibility of a vaccination, but none of us in this room were vaccinated.

1738
02:40:15,820 --> 02:40:16,960
And that was really scary.

1739
02:40:17,340 --> 02:40:20,140
That really adjusted our behaviors within the community.

1740
02:40:20,660 --> 02:40:23,300
Well guess what, our kids don't have that luxury.

1741
02:40:23,300 --> 02:40:29,700
We now come and go as we please because we feel the sense of, I'm okay, I'm vaccinated.

1742
02:40:30,220 --> 02:40:34,900
We still have to wrap our arms around our children just like doctors think reminded us to do.

1743
02:40:35,420 --> 02:40:40,360
Until they are approved and we don't know when that's going to be, we have to show up for them.

1744
02:40:41,320 --> 02:40:49,860
Now COVID affects your breathing and I bring that up because I have an elder in my community who was hospitalized not too long ago.

1745
02:40:50,320 --> 02:40:51,460
And that really affected me.

1746
02:40:51,460 --> 02:40:57,080
I stop breathing, not because of COVID, but out of concern for him.

1747
02:40:57,560 --> 02:41:07,360
Why? Because we know looking at historically, elderly populations are not doing as well with this and he was fully vaccinated and he has since recovered, thank goodness.

1748
02:41:08,120 --> 02:41:14,320
But those are the type of things that I'm taking into consideration when I come before you and cast a vote.

1749
02:41:14,320 --> 02:41:16,360
So I am still a yes on that.

1750
02:41:16,940 --> 02:41:21,800
I wanted to give you data and I wanted to give you expert testimony.

1751
02:41:21,960 --> 02:41:24,000
But tonight I'm just, I'm speaking personally.

1752
02:41:24,400 --> 02:41:30,340
I appreciate all of the testimony that came up here and I hear you loud and clear I truly do.

1753
02:41:30,980 --> 02:41:35,160
Mr. Moser said that this is an indefinite thing and that was our goal.

1754
02:41:36,400 --> 02:41:40,380
We had it so that this would drop off when we leave high status.

1755
02:41:40,380 --> 02:41:44,820
But like he said, we're showing up meeting after meeting and trying to keep it on the book.

1756
02:41:45,220 --> 02:41:46,620
This was a solution to that.

1757
02:41:46,920 --> 02:41:49,560
If we're not in high, you don't have to wear the mask.

1758
02:41:50,140 --> 02:41:53,580
If we start to see numbers increasing, let's put it back on.

1759
02:41:53,800 --> 02:41:55,960
It seemed like a simple solution to it.

1760
02:41:56,240 --> 02:42:00,600
Although I still weigh very heavily the concerns that you guys brought before us.

1761
02:42:03,280 --> 02:42:10,300
So I appreciate you listening to my concerns, to the things that I've been considering as I come to the table.

1762
02:42:10,300 --> 02:42:17,200
And I really appreciate folks who let us know whether it was through the course of email,

1763
02:42:17,540 --> 02:42:22,400
whether it was from approaching us on the street, or whether it was testimony here tonight.

1764
02:42:23,000 --> 02:42:25,580
I respect that people are weighing into the process.

1765
02:42:26,060 --> 02:42:28,900
And I think those are my thoughts for tonight.

1766
02:42:29,080 --> 02:42:29,720
Gunak Chish.

1767
02:42:30,700 --> 02:42:31,540
Thank you, thank you.

1768
02:42:33,700 --> 02:42:42,620
So I'm going to keep it brief here, not a whole lot new to say on anybody's front here.

1769
02:42:43,160 --> 02:42:48,360
Just going to repeat that masks mainly are to protect others from you, not you from them.

1770
02:42:48,660 --> 02:42:55,340
So saying people can wear masks if they want, kind of mask help depending on the type of

1771
02:42:55,340 --> 02:42:59,520
mask protect you, but really they protect other people from you.

1772
02:42:59,520 --> 02:43:06,180
So if you were infected and you don't know it, as has been said, children can't be vaccinated

1773
02:43:06,180 --> 02:43:11,540
and the still significant part of our population, there's decided not to be vaccinated.

1774
02:43:12,280 --> 02:43:14,200
Also needed the protection.

1775
02:43:15,820 --> 02:43:19,320
And we're not just talking about people dying of COVID.

1776
02:43:19,860 --> 02:43:21,620
We're talking about clogging up our hospitals.

1777
02:43:22,100 --> 02:43:27,380
Right now, if you have a cardiac event in Anchorage, we're here in Sitka and you need to be

1778
02:43:27,380 --> 02:43:33,420
of act of anchorage, there's nowhere for you. Seattle is coming close to that because

1779
02:43:33,420 --> 02:43:40,480
they're being hit from all the surrounding states because so it's not just people dying,

1780
02:43:40,640 --> 02:43:46,220
it's people getting very sick and people as as Dr. Brula said, people are going into the

1781
02:43:46,220 --> 02:43:51,640
hospital for a lot longer because people, frankly they're better at treating it but it means

1782
02:43:51,640 --> 02:43:59,360
that they're younger and so people are going in for three or four weeks which means that's a

1783
02:43:59,360 --> 02:44:04,520
bed that somebody who has a cardiac event or somebody who has some other medical condition. It

1784
02:44:04,520 --> 02:44:10,480
isn't there for them. So is this perfect of course not? There's no such thing as perfection but it

1785
02:44:10,480 --> 02:44:17,800
is another way to mitigate the numbers and lower it some hopefully protect our numbers. We are doing

1786
02:44:17,800 --> 02:44:22,900
better and sicker than when we first brought this up a lot I was very disappointed to see the

1787
02:44:22,900 --> 02:44:29,120
floor that went up on the board today. I kind of hope we might get below this by this meeting but

1788
02:44:29,120 --> 02:44:37,420
we haven't and I my very much hope that we do get below soon and this is not an issue but I think

1789
02:44:37,420 --> 02:44:43,360
this is the right thing to do and Crystal said she didn't want to go in the numbers but if you look

1790
02:44:43,360 --> 02:44:50,880
at our email it is very full and I would say 95% plus crystal did the numbers

1791
02:44:50,880 --> 02:44:56,680
last time it gave me the extra percentage we're asking us to enact this so I am

1792
02:44:56,680 --> 02:44:58,680
done does anybody else want to speak from the assembly

1793
02:45:01,400 --> 02:45:13,440
We're back. Yeah, I've been thinking about what to say. I've been shaking for three hours. And part

1794
02:45:17,480 --> 02:45:18,400
of why I'm shaking.

1795
02:45:22,630 --> 02:45:26,710
Please let her speak. My students don't speak over me.

1796
02:45:29,400 --> 02:45:39,260
Man, please show the same way. Nobody up here interrupted you. Please let her speak. Part of why almost

1797
02:45:39,260 --> 02:45:48,340
didn't speak is because I didn't want to invite what just happened. Part of why I've

1798
02:45:48,340 --> 02:45:53,240
been shaking for three hours is I have a lot of respect for what I'm hearing in

1799
02:45:53,240 --> 02:46:01,280
this room and the people in this room. I want you to know that. There is no way

1800
02:46:01,280 --> 02:46:09,820
day to do this halfway. There's no half mandate. There's no half way to do this.

1801
02:46:12,450 --> 02:46:13,010
I will

1802
02:46:13,010 --> 02:46:19,650
go to my school tomorrow, and I'll take a rapid test every day for the next week because

1803
02:46:19,650 --> 02:46:24,910
of the exposure I've experienced tonight. I am wearing my school mask.

1804
02:46:28,220 --> 02:46:29,800
I have a duty to

1805
02:46:29,800 --> 02:46:34,020
the children I teach, but I have a duty to my community for the three years that I get

1806
02:46:34,020 --> 02:46:35,460
that to serve as your assembly person.

1807
02:46:35,940 --> 02:46:43,540
For that reason, all of you who are saying that I can't possibly believe what I'm saying,

1808
02:46:44,200 --> 02:46:46,400
I humbly ask you to believe me.

1809
02:46:46,620 --> 02:46:49,780
When I say, I have heard you.

1810
02:46:57,680 --> 02:46:58,840
Anything else from you, Assembly?

1811
02:47:02,360 --> 02:47:02,580
Sarah?

1812
02:47:07,120 --> 02:47:11,300
Okay, the motion before you is to prove this ordinance on first reading.

1813
02:47:12,260 --> 02:47:12,860
Ms. Nelson?

1814
02:47:15,350 --> 02:47:15,910
No.

1815
02:47:17,860 --> 02:47:18,780
Mr. Knox,

1816
02:47:24,760 --> 02:47:29,140
Mr. Hemshoot, yes, Mr. Duncan, yes.

1817
02:47:29,890 --> 02:47:30,520
Mr. Moser?

1818
02:47:30,820 --> 02:47:31,280
Yes.

1819
02:47:32,020 --> 02:47:33,300
Mr. Christianson?

1820
02:47:33,540 --> 02:47:33,720
Yes.

1821
02:47:34,840 --> 02:47:40,880
The motion passes for two on first reading, second reading, will occur on September 28th.

1822
02:47:41,140 --> 02:47:42,820
All right, let's take a five minute break.

1823
02:47:47,490 --> 02:47:50,130
Okay, let's get back to the rest of the agenda.

1824
02:48:01,020 --> 02:48:03,060
We on to our normal business here.

1825
02:48:03,060 --> 02:48:08,740
Can I get a motion for item G, I believe is where we are at.

1826
02:48:09,940 --> 02:48:11,220
I move to approve.

1827
02:48:14,100 --> 02:48:23,380
I move to approve ordinance 2021-31 on first reading of any title to administration of the stick of general code by deleting chapter 2.12.

1828
02:48:24,060 --> 02:48:33,580
City and borough of Sitka Hospital Board, chapter 2.14, historic trust board, and chapter 2.64, seafood processing, economic development committee.

1829
02:48:33,580 --> 02:48:37,040
an updating chapter 2.16 library commission.

1830
02:48:38,020 --> 02:48:38,680
Second.

1831
02:48:39,560 --> 02:48:43,340
Sarah, can we get a brief overview of why we're doing this?

1832
02:48:45,920 --> 02:48:46,260
Sure.

1833
02:48:47,580 --> 02:48:52,000
So, staff has been reviewing this section of our code.

1834
02:48:52,320 --> 02:48:57,620
And this is kind of the first step as a housekeeping ordinance.

1835
02:48:57,620 --> 02:49:07,100
And these boards, commissions, they are inactive and have been for quite some time.

1836
02:49:07,280 --> 02:49:15,220
In fact, on one of them, I don't recall at the moment I couldn't find out when they had ever convened.

1837
02:49:15,340 --> 02:49:23,000
With regards to the Library Commission, that commission used to be a five member board.

1838
02:49:23,000 --> 02:49:32,460
and so therefore the quorum requirement or the vote needed to pass an action item would be a vote of three.

1839
02:49:33,000 --> 02:49:39,680
When that commission, their membership changed to seven members.

1840
02:49:40,780 --> 02:49:50,580
We overlook changing the quorum requirement and the vote needed to take action and so that is four.

1841
02:49:50,580 --> 02:49:53,200
So that's a code cleanup in that section.

1842
02:49:53,680 --> 02:49:55,180
So basically housekeeping.

1843
02:49:55,640 --> 02:49:57,780
Okay, thank you for that recap.

1844
02:49:58,360 --> 02:50:00,200
Would anybody from the public like to speak to this?

1845
02:50:03,480 --> 02:50:04,480
Bring it back to the assembly.

1846
02:50:10,690 --> 02:50:12,030
Seeing none, Sarah.

1847
02:50:14,670 --> 02:50:19,290
Okay, on the motion to approve this ordinance on first reading, Mr. Moser.

1848
02:50:19,670 --> 02:50:20,230
Yes.

1849
02:50:20,670 --> 02:50:21,470
Ms. Nelson?

1850
02:50:22,390 --> 02:50:22,950
Yes.

1851
02:50:23,550 --> 02:50:24,070
Mr. Knox?

1852
02:50:24,470 --> 02:50:24,750
Yes.

1853
02:50:25,130 --> 02:50:25,810
Mr. Prischenson?

1854
02:50:26,150 --> 02:50:26,310
Yes.

1855
02:50:26,850 --> 02:50:27,430
Ms. Dupin?

1856
02:50:27,990 --> 02:50:29,370
Yes, and Ms. Hemshoot?

1857
02:50:29,370 --> 02:50:32,250
Yes, the motion passes 6-0 on item G.

1858
02:50:33,310 --> 02:50:34,950
On to item 8.

1859
02:50:35,490 --> 02:50:41,790
I move to approve ordinance 2021-33 on first reading, making supplemental appropriations for fiscal year 2022.

1860
02:50:42,530 --> 02:50:44,550
IT slash approval of a new position.

1861
02:50:45,970 --> 02:50:46,490
Second.

1862
02:50:47,950 --> 02:50:50,450
So Melissa, do you want to or you want Grant to?

1863
02:50:51,570 --> 02:50:56,970
Sure, I can do a brief introduction if we need any details we can have Grant come up.

1864
02:50:56,970 --> 02:51:00,930
But this is basically during the budget process.

1865
02:51:01,270 --> 02:51:05,270
We identified the need for additional IT support.

1866
02:51:05,610 --> 02:51:10,790
We originally had it in our FY22 budget as contract services.

1867
02:51:11,610 --> 02:51:20,830
As we've been doing recruitment for other positions, we're seeing that there's really a pool of qualified candidates in SICA.

1868
02:51:20,830 --> 02:51:30,210
And so we would rather be able to bring someone locally and have this position in house.

1869
02:51:31,150 --> 02:51:36,090
It would having a physical person here would be ideal.

1870
02:51:36,750 --> 02:51:42,630
And then it also makes sure that the money stays here in Sitka.

1871
02:51:42,910 --> 02:51:48,110
It's important to note that this appropriation is just changing the flavor of the funding,

1872
02:51:48,110 --> 02:51:53,810
It's shifting from contract services to personnel and it is adding a position into the IT fund.

1873
02:51:55,360 --> 02:51:56,330
Thank you.

1874
02:51:57,580 --> 02:51:59,350
Anybody from the public should speak to this.

1875
02:51:59,950 --> 02:52:00,510
Mr. Wien?

1876
02:52:08,220 --> 02:52:08,900
Richard Wien.

1877
02:52:10,310 --> 02:52:19,960
In reviewing this, I find this very interesting and I have to kind of call admission creep because this is adding a new FTE.

1878
02:52:19,960 --> 02:52:27,440
And it's $120,000 that you're going to be shifting from contract to personnel.

1879
02:52:27,860 --> 02:52:31,880
My notion is with the advancing in software and so forth,

1880
02:52:32,280 --> 02:52:40,020
that the need for contract help is very, very real because of the complexity of the various systems that are out there.

1881
02:52:40,640 --> 02:52:49,300
And so my notion is this will be a creation of a new FTE, but will it get rid of the notion of

1882
02:52:49,300 --> 02:52:55,300
If requiring contract needs, and I think that that is very important.

1883
02:52:55,860 --> 02:53:05,280
Anyone from IT knows that no man is an island and you have to call out, especially with

1884
02:53:05,280 --> 02:53:13,240
complex coding issues, and so I view this as just another FTE, there may be good reasons

1885
02:53:13,240 --> 02:53:18,180
to have another personnel here, but I think it is disingenuous to think that you will not

1886
02:53:18,180 --> 02:53:24,220
meet contracts and I can imagine if I take my lucky eight ball and see what the future is,

1887
02:53:24,540 --> 02:53:31,900
it will come up and say IT appropriation for contract or else you'll bury it in the budget

1888
02:53:31,900 --> 02:53:38,540
somewhere and get it without seeking approval as can be done with budget manipulations.

1889
02:53:39,180 --> 02:53:46,900
So this is kind of an oddball thing. You may need it on the one hand, but to cover it with the notion

1890
02:53:46,900 --> 02:53:57,480
that it's like cost-neutral again, I think is disingenuous, and I have a feeling the future will be interesting on this issue in IT.

1891
02:53:57,900 --> 02:54:05,120
It's only going to get more complex in IT, it's not going to get any easier, and I don't think that no matter who we hire here.

1892
02:54:05,780 --> 02:54:11,140
Well, I understand Bill Gates is a free and easy guy, maybe he wants to come down and do some programming.

1893
02:54:11,140 --> 02:54:19,820
But there needs to be a little more explanation to this and how it will truly be cost neutral in the future.

1894
02:54:20,000 --> 02:54:20,260
Thank you.

1895
02:54:22,380 --> 02:54:23,960
Anyone else from the public on this?

1896
02:54:27,120 --> 02:54:27,780
Back to the assembly?

1897
02:54:31,880 --> 02:54:32,140
Rebecca?

1898
02:54:33,240 --> 02:54:35,520
Thanks, I'm 100% in support of this.

1899
02:54:35,760 --> 02:54:40,280
So anything that I say next, I don't want people to think that I'm saying I don't support this.

1900
02:54:40,440 --> 02:54:47,520
I do support what's been suggested here, this shift of existing funds.

1901
02:54:47,520 --> 02:54:59,260
At the same time, I think it would be remiss if I didn't point out that there are parallels to be drawn between the IT load on the sick school district and the city and the district functions with far fewer personnel.

1902
02:54:59,580 --> 02:55:07,240
So when we come to district budget time, let's bear in mind, they do have a revenue stream to help with internet cost, but not much else as far as their IT budget.

1903
02:55:07,440 --> 02:55:14,820
So when we look at budgeting for the district down the road, let's bear in mind where resources go.

1904
02:55:14,820 --> 02:55:25,080
So, I support improved services to the community through just shifting this to a different,

1905
02:55:27,730 --> 02:55:30,390
not different pool, but different way of spending the money.

1906
02:55:30,710 --> 02:55:30,950
Thanks.

1907
02:55:31,530 --> 02:55:32,230
Valorant?

1908
02:55:34,190 --> 02:55:43,170
I have consistently voted against legislation, adding new positions, and I'll vote for

1909
02:55:43,170 --> 02:55:52,930
I'll do this on first reading, but since I'll probably still be on the assembly for second reading, I'll be more hesitant and I will have some questions for the administrator.

1910
02:55:53,330 --> 02:55:53,610
Thank you.

1911
02:55:55,050 --> 02:55:55,990
Anyone else?

1912
02:55:59,440 --> 02:56:05,400
So, I'm going to support this because it's a net zero impact financially.

1913
02:56:06,000 --> 02:56:12,900
Just a kind of a side question for Grant maybe, so I know that sometimes Sarah has, you know,

1914
02:56:13,040 --> 02:56:18,820
she's trying to be the clerk and then she's trying to deal with ID stuff and would just,

1915
02:56:19,280 --> 02:56:22,800
will this help us with that, like to have a little bit more support at meetings and things

1916
02:56:22,800 --> 02:56:23,160
like that?

1917
02:56:24,460 --> 02:56:24,860
Yeah.

1918
02:56:25,080 --> 02:56:25,940
Grant or an IT director?

1919
02:56:26,280 --> 02:56:33,920
Yes, that would be one of the general ideas of it and kind of the main real reason for

1920
02:56:33,920 --> 02:56:40,560
this is, as has been stated before, yes, IT needs are going to grow from here on out.

1921
02:56:40,580 --> 02:56:47,860
They're not going to get less, and the disparate department needs get only wider apart with

1922
02:56:47,860 --> 02:56:49,740
what the different systems they need and all that.

1923
02:56:50,300 --> 02:56:56,400
From that aspect of it, having more people being able to focus on the specific needs of each

1924
02:56:56,400 --> 02:57:01,120
of the departments as they come up, this position will allow that to happen.

1925
02:57:01,120 --> 02:57:08,670
Okay. Thank you. That's the only question I had. I don't know if anyone. Anybody else?

1926
02:57:09,810 --> 02:57:16,530
I had a couple of questions. Okay. So it's going to add the job description and it felt

1927
02:57:16,530 --> 02:57:24,490
like it summarized it as like a frontline type position. So not introductory to the part,

1928
02:57:24,690 --> 02:57:30,330
the department, right? Were we going to contract for $120,000 to do frontline type duties

1929
02:57:30,330 --> 02:57:34,550
And I guess that kind of goes to the question that was asked.

1930
02:57:35,190 --> 02:57:38,950
Does this then do we no longer need to contract or?

1931
02:57:39,630 --> 02:57:41,790
Well, those are two different things actually.

1932
02:57:42,110 --> 02:57:49,530
Yeah, so originally the plan was to have this be the help desk support from a contracted service.

1933
02:57:50,350 --> 02:57:54,550
This role would be essentially that same thing just done by an individual.

1934
02:57:54,550 --> 02:58:03,950
instead the systems that we would need to call out in support for, we have support contracts

1935
02:58:03,950 --> 02:58:07,970
in place with them aside from that budget item already.

1936
02:58:08,530 --> 02:58:14,390
We have maintenance and support plans with each of our primary vendors that we then use

1937
02:58:14,390 --> 02:58:16,790
for their expert support when it's needed.

1938
02:58:17,510 --> 02:58:20,050
So this has no impact on any of that sort of support.

1939
02:58:20,050 --> 02:58:38,370
It basically just is taking the, my monitor is not turning on or my passwords broke in, or any of those sort of standard front line support issues transferring them from an 800 number to a person at a desk that can help you know at your work station.

1940
02:58:39,450 --> 02:58:44,830
So when, um, and this is just me trying to think to the next budgeting period so we're

1941
02:58:44,830 --> 02:58:48,470
going to add an FTE into the department and then we're still going to have a light item

1942
02:58:48,470 --> 02:58:53,630
for contractual services, are we balancing it somehow?

1943
02:58:53,910 --> 02:59:02,670
Yes, but we increased that line for contract services by $120,000 this year so it will be less

1944
02:59:02,670 --> 02:59:03,490
next year.

1945
02:59:03,610 --> 02:59:05,590
There will always be contract services, though.

1946
02:59:05,590 --> 02:59:12,170
Okay, and then I was looking at the comparative chart that's on the city's website in I see January 2021

1947
02:59:12,170 --> 02:59:17,470
It was recently updated. I assume it hasn't changed much and we're still much lower than the other municipalities

1948
02:59:17,470 --> 02:59:22,970
So I factored that into as I was coming here too, but thanks for that information

1949
02:59:25,920 --> 02:59:27,560
I would just say that

1950
02:59:28,600 --> 02:59:34,680
There's a couple of things I like about this first of all I'd like the idea of paying someone instead to rather than India

1951
02:59:34,680 --> 02:59:37,540
or wherever our tech support would come from.

1952
02:59:38,500 --> 02:59:40,160
I'm sure they would do a good job.

1953
02:59:41,660 --> 02:59:45,060
But the other thing is that there's just no substitute

1954
02:59:45,060 --> 02:59:48,120
for somebody in the building who can actually lay hands

1955
02:59:48,120 --> 02:59:48,740
on keyboards.

1956
02:59:50,500 --> 02:59:54,180
And so if you've ever gone through coming through

1957
02:59:54,180 --> 02:59:57,920
tech support off site, tech support while they can be good

1958
02:59:57,920 --> 02:59:59,400
and they can take over your computer,

1959
02:59:59,400 --> 02:59:59,900
no matter how much you're doing.

1960
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:12,200
How nervous that makes you? It's not nearly as effective and especially because then they can notice that it's really not plugged in and then it's fixed. So anyway, I will be supporting this.

1961
03:00:16,000 --> 03:00:32,520
Okay, sir. Until we else. Okay, on motion to approve ordinance 2021-33 on first reading, Mr. Christianson. Yes. Mr. Knox. Yes. Ms. Nelson. Yes. Ms. Himschut.

1962
03:00:32,520 --> 03:00:34,700
Yes, Mr. Duncan?

1963
03:00:35,200 --> 03:00:36,660
Yes, and Mr. Moser?

1964
03:00:36,860 --> 03:00:37,240
Yes.

1965
03:00:37,600 --> 03:00:40,380
The motion passes 6-0, first reading on item 8.

1966
03:00:40,960 --> 03:00:41,400
Okay.

1967
03:00:42,240 --> 03:00:42,840
Somebody wanted.

1968
03:00:43,680 --> 03:00:51,080
I move to approve ordinance 2021-35, making supplemental appropriations for fiscal year 2021 school bond at refunding expense.

1969
03:00:51,520 --> 03:00:51,780
Second.

1970
03:00:53,710 --> 03:00:55,590
And Melissa, you want to give us a quick overview?

1971
03:00:55,590 --> 03:01:06,050
you? Sure. This one, we did that, do we want, what motion did we just, sorry.

1972
03:01:06,330 --> 03:01:07,570
We should be on item 5.

1973
03:01:08,170 --> 03:01:10,430
You know, I thought of your receipt of item 5.

1974
03:01:11,990 --> 03:01:12,470
Yeah.

1975
03:01:14,870 --> 03:01:18,350
Yeah, you're right. I was a little confused there too.

1976
03:01:19,990 --> 03:01:21,970
Probably to try again or should I just turn my mic on?

1977
03:01:21,990 --> 03:01:22,390
No worries.

1978
03:01:25,070 --> 03:01:25,910
So we're on.

1979
03:01:26,310 --> 03:01:26,930
And am I?

1980
03:01:26,930 --> 03:01:29,690
Okay, and I'm back to the wrong one again.

1981
03:01:32,780 --> 03:01:32,940
Sorry.

1982
03:01:33,120 --> 03:01:34,120
I moved to approve ordinance.

1983
03:01:34,860 --> 03:01:45,460
I moved to approve ordinance 2021-34, making supplemental appropriations for fiscal

1984
03:01:45,460 --> 03:01:48,080
year 2021 IT fund expense.

1985
03:01:49,260 --> 03:01:49,780
Second.

1986
03:01:52,330 --> 03:01:53,490
Okay, let's try that again.

1987
03:01:54,850 --> 03:02:03,330
Okay, this is our FY21 budget for the IT fund went over budget.

1988
03:02:03,590 --> 03:02:09,750
So this is a essentially request to put the appropriation in place.

1989
03:02:10,090 --> 03:02:20,730
The reason for this is partially because the way some of the cares funds that were spent on IT type things like Zoom were spent out.

1990
03:02:20,730 --> 03:02:27,510
they were spent from the IT fund, the IT fund was then reimbursed for that, so bottom line is zero there.

1991
03:02:28,210 --> 03:02:30,530
But we still need that appropriation.

1992
03:02:31,170 --> 03:02:35,670
In addition, we under-budgeted for telephone expenses.

1993
03:02:36,030 --> 03:02:43,090
And we also recorded 13 months of telephone expenses in FY21 rather than just 12.

1994
03:02:43,090 --> 03:02:45,650
We got the last one from FY20 in there.

1995
03:02:49,280 --> 03:02:50,220
Thank you for that.

1996
03:02:50,680 --> 03:02:52,400
Anybody from the public who should speak to this?

1997
03:02:54,020 --> 03:02:54,660
Mr. Wayne.

1998
03:03:01,420 --> 03:03:07,300
I apologize, but in going through the packet, I didn't note that I didn't exist.

1999
03:03:09,020 --> 03:03:17,940
So it was somewhere hidden, but the bottom line is the

2000
03:03:21,270 --> 03:03:23,990
amount of money that IT is going

2001
03:03:23,990 --> 03:03:31,710
to be obtained, requiring in the future, will be very important to keep an eye on.

2002
03:03:31,710 --> 03:03:38,310
And I just hope that budget predictions will improve.

2003
03:03:38,750 --> 03:03:39,170
Thank you.

2004
03:03:41,940 --> 03:03:43,500
Anybody else want to speak to this?

2005
03:03:45,220 --> 03:03:46,100
Back to the assembly,

2006
03:03:49,030 --> 03:03:49,450
Rebecca?

2007
03:03:49,850 --> 03:03:52,090
I'm going to, yeah, I know which item we're on now.

2008
03:03:52,230 --> 03:03:53,950
I'm sorry, it's just that they were flipped on the agenda.

2009
03:03:54,630 --> 03:03:57,990
I want to, I guess basically commend staff for

2010
03:03:58,990 --> 03:04:01,910
budgeting for what you think you need rather than patting the budget.

2011
03:04:01,910 --> 03:04:06,130
I think that's going to result in this kind of thing occasionally coming up.

2012
03:04:06,610 --> 03:04:09,530
And as long as, you know, as long as it's fairly minimal and it's something we can handle,

2013
03:04:09,530 --> 03:04:15,110
I think it's better to budget for what's actually needed than to put numbers out there that are above and

2014
03:04:15,110 --> 03:04:17,210
beyond in order to make your job easier.

2015
03:04:17,430 --> 03:04:21,170
So I guess I'm thanking Melissa for this budgeting technique.

2016
03:04:21,510 --> 03:04:21,730
Thanks.

2017
03:04:24,710 --> 03:04:25,490
Anybody else?

2018
03:04:27,930 --> 03:04:30,190
Sorry, go ahead, sorry, I just have a quick question.

2019
03:04:30,190 --> 03:04:37,010
And so, and I think you explained it, but as I was reading the memo, it was that second part which said we did get reimbursed, right?

2020
03:04:37,110 --> 03:04:37,890
So that was a wash.

2021
03:04:38,210 --> 03:04:45,490
It was basically 50,000 for the phone and then that extra month that we paid that brought it up to the 50,000.

2022
03:04:45,830 --> 03:04:53,690
Yes, well, we in general under budgeted, even if there would have only been 12 months, we did under budget for telephone last year.

2023
03:04:54,350 --> 03:04:55,210
Okay, thanks.

2024
03:04:55,210 --> 03:04:56,150
Yeah,

2025
03:04:58,760 --> 03:05:12,000
I would just make a comment that the budgets are always an estimate and kind of crystal ball and I'd say more often than not, we wind up spending less than we expect, but this is to be expected.

2026
03:05:13,200 --> 03:05:15,640
All right, any other comments, Sarah?

2027
03:05:17,500 --> 03:05:23,020
Okay, on motion to approve ordinance 2021-34 on first reading, Mr. Knox.

2028
03:05:24,320 --> 03:05:24,880
Yes.

2029
03:05:26,320 --> 03:05:26,880
Yes.

2030
03:05:26,880 --> 03:05:27,180
Ms. Duncan.

2031
03:05:28,380 --> 03:05:28,940
Yes.

2032
03:05:29,760 --> 03:05:30,600
Ms. Nelson.

2033
03:05:31,620 --> 03:05:32,180
Yes.

2034
03:05:32,760 --> 03:05:33,440
Mr. Moser.

2035
03:05:33,980 --> 03:05:34,220
Yes.

2036
03:05:34,720 --> 03:05:35,360
Ms. Hemshoot.

2037
03:05:35,720 --> 03:05:36,280
Yes.

2038
03:05:36,720 --> 03:05:37,580
And Mr. Christensen.

2039
03:05:37,980 --> 03:05:38,140
Yes.

2040
03:05:38,660 --> 03:05:41,900
Okay, the motion passes 6-0 on item I and that's for first reading.

2041
03:05:43,680 --> 03:05:44,520
Item J.

2042
03:05:46,700 --> 03:05:47,900
I'm afraid to now.

2043
03:05:48,100 --> 03:05:53,660
I move to approve ordinance 2021-35, making supplemental appropriations for fiscal year 2021.

2044
03:05:53,660 --> 03:05:56,420
We won school bond debt refunding expense.

2045
03:05:56,800 --> 03:05:57,140
Second.

2046
03:05:57,840 --> 03:05:59,120
Hi, it's me, Maiden Seconded.

2047
03:05:59,180 --> 03:06:00,600
Melissa, do you want to give us a quick rundown?

2048
03:06:01,260 --> 03:06:09,940
Sure, so for this fund, we generally know to the penny what we're going to spend because we have an amortization schedule we've had for years.

2049
03:06:10,180 --> 03:06:11,380
We budget to the penny.

2050
03:06:12,140 --> 03:06:20,360
This year, we refunded a number of our older school bond issuances.

2051
03:06:21,100 --> 03:06:31,780
It's great news, it's going to save us $650,000 in debt service over the next seven years, but it costs to refund.

2052
03:06:32,240 --> 03:06:39,400
So this is kind of another clean up ordinance where there's closing costs that need to be covered.

2053
03:06:43,570 --> 03:06:46,750
Anything from the public, Mr. Wayne?

2054
03:06:51,840 --> 03:07:04,160
Refunding is wonderful, and I'm very happy that these things can be done whether it's with school bonds or with the dam bonds.

2055
03:07:04,580 --> 03:07:15,320
Those dam bonds, one thing to note is that the school bonds, the majority, are from the PAC, from the performing arts center.

2056
03:07:15,320 --> 03:07:26,040
So, we're paying this off, and of note is that the building doesn't even seem to be under city control per se,

2057
03:07:26,360 --> 03:07:33,360
though I do understand its value, it is bonded with a lot.

2058
03:07:33,880 --> 03:07:43,120
Now, in the quarterly report, which was presented in our packet, they were talking about deferred maintenance for schools,

2059
03:07:43,120 --> 03:07:48,700
and apparently it's going to be state no pay, and the general fund will have to pay.

2060
03:07:49,580 --> 03:07:56,160
And it's going to be an enormous problem when you add all of this up.

2061
03:07:56,700 --> 03:08:03,360
So the pack is going to turn out to be a burr under the saddle, a very big burr,

2062
03:08:03,540 --> 03:08:06,440
10, 12, 14 million dollars at its outset.

2063
03:08:06,980 --> 03:08:12,100
But without state funding, this will be a topic that will come up again and

2064
03:08:12,100 --> 03:08:24,380
And again, and that's why the assembly needs to think about revenue, really, and make good deals, because this stuff is going to come back in spades, so thank you.

2065
03:08:26,890 --> 03:08:27,750
Anything from me or someone,

2066
03:08:30,760 --> 03:08:31,000
sir?

2067
03:08:33,140 --> 03:08:36,520
Okay, on the motion to approve this ordinance on first reading.

2068
03:08:38,220 --> 03:08:39,400
Mr. Christianson?

2069
03:08:39,620 --> 03:08:39,780
Yes.

2070
03:08:40,980 --> 03:08:41,940
Mr. Moser?

2071
03:08:42,280 --> 03:08:42,660
Yes.

2072
03:08:43,540 --> 03:08:44,480
Mr. Hemshoot?

2073
03:08:45,420 --> 03:08:46,020
Yes.

2074
03:08:46,020 --> 03:08:47,820
Yes, Mr. Knox?

2075
03:08:48,080 --> 03:08:48,220
Yes.

2076
03:08:48,520 --> 03:08:49,100
Ms. Duncan?

2077
03:08:49,780 --> 03:08:49,980
Yes.

2078
03:08:50,460 --> 03:08:51,000
And Ms. Nelson?

2079
03:08:51,800 --> 03:08:52,020
Yes.

2080
03:08:52,440 --> 03:08:54,340
Motion passes 6-0 on first reading.

2081
03:08:55,340 --> 03:08:57,180
Okay, on to item K.

2082
03:09:01,040 --> 03:09:13,900
I move to resolution 2021-18 on first and final reading, supporting the development of the new public UC plain base at the preferred location, North End of Jopansky Island, SITCA, Alaska.

2083
03:09:19,360 --> 03:09:19,840
Second.

2084
03:09:23,000 --> 03:09:23,560
Okay.

2085
03:09:23,560 --> 03:09:26,920
Mr. Harmon, you want to give us a quick rundown before we take public comment?

2086
03:09:42,800 --> 03:09:47,680
Evening, Deputy Mayor and Assembly Member Michael Harmon, Public Works Director for the record.

2087
03:09:48,580 --> 03:09:57,720
This is the next phase, long time plan phase for the SICKA C Plane Project for the FAA funding.

2088
03:09:58,300 --> 03:10:05,440
We had to complete all the environmental assessments before we were eligible and also get a commitment

2089
03:10:05,440 --> 03:10:15,080
from the Department of Ed and early development that they would be willing to sell us the property that is proposed for this project.

2090
03:10:15,420 --> 03:10:27,040
So all positive movements on those fronts been through the process, now we're eligible to go to the design phase of the project and also the land acquisition phase.

2091
03:10:27,040 --> 03:10:56,340
And as noted in the memo, this is a, it gets us past the planning stage in which this is a strong commitment from the city to follow through on this project when we accept these grants, FAA is expecting us to build the project and it doesn't mean that the project has to be as conceptually designed right now but they do expect the funds from this point forward to lead towards construction.

2092
03:10:56,340 --> 03:11:00,960
So they're looking for a strong commitment from the community and the assembly.

2093
03:11:01,700 --> 03:11:05,480
The very positive news on the on the funding front.

2094
03:11:05,800 --> 03:11:12,720
We believe it will very likely that we will receive 0% match requirement on this stage.

2095
03:11:13,040 --> 03:11:15,860
So we don't have to come up with the match right now.

2096
03:11:16,040 --> 03:11:24,560
Maybe that will continue through the whole project, which is an unanticipated change for us in the positive direction.

2097
03:11:24,560 --> 03:11:54,440
but as you will note we structured the resolution to provide the standard 6.25% match in case as we as this develops they go back to the standard match we still have a resolution that works and we can continue forward either or so so so we're asking for that level of commitment tonight in case that's where it lands.

2098
03:11:54,440 --> 03:11:59,620
but even since we've written this memo, we're getting much, much more positive feedback

2099
03:11:59,620 --> 03:12:03,160
that we got our grant submittals in and time.

2100
03:12:03,360 --> 03:12:08,940
We submitted those early to meet the deadline to give us a chance for the 0%

2101
03:12:08,940 --> 03:12:14,060
that now we will likely be positioned well for that.

2102
03:12:14,420 --> 03:12:15,420
So thank

2103
03:12:17,600 --> 03:12:18,700
you for that.

2104
03:12:19,460 --> 03:12:19,580
All right.

2105
03:12:19,760 --> 03:12:23,640
Does anybody from the public wish to speak to this, right there?

2106
03:12:23,640 --> 03:12:24,780
Good

2107
03:12:35,440 --> 03:12:35,760
evening.

2108
03:12:36,740 --> 03:12:46,440
My name is Annette Becker and I'm speaking as a citizen of Stitka against the proposal location of the sea pulling base at the north end of Japanski Island.

2109
03:12:47,340 --> 03:13:00,760
The search Ravensway program is a residential adolescent substance abuse treatment program, providing services to approximately 40 to 55 at risk Alaska news each year for the past 32 years.

2110
03:13:00,760 --> 03:13:09,940
This program provides a safe environment where youth have the opportunity to practice and integrate healthy life skills in a supportive setting.

2111
03:13:11,000 --> 03:13:16,160
Ravensway is a healing place for youth who are unable to control the use of illegal drugs.

2112
03:13:17,000 --> 03:13:24,300
Many youth who are enrolled in the Ravensway program have experienced trauma, have difficulty managing strong emotions,

2113
03:13:24,840 --> 03:13:29,080
are failing school and have gotten into trouble with the law.

2114
03:13:29,080 --> 03:13:38,020
The proposed C-plane base located on the north end of Jeponsky Island is adjacent to the Ravensway residential treatment program.

2115
03:13:38,660 --> 03:13:44,960
The current last building on Surid Avenue is a sick of school district classroom and therapy offices.

2116
03:13:45,660 --> 03:13:54,740
This will have significant negative impacts on the ability to provide necessary effective and beneficial treatment services for youth and their families.

2117
03:13:54,740 --> 03:14:06,760
The C-plane operations are estimated at a rate of 21 one-way trips with up to 136 one-way trips during peak seasons per day.

2118
03:14:07,640 --> 03:14:14,660
An increase in C-plane noise, foot, and vehicle traffic related to C-plane operations is expected.

2119
03:14:15,880 --> 03:14:23,200
My concerns include significant interruptions and academic instruction and psychotherapy services.

2120
03:14:24,040 --> 03:14:28,080
Interruption in phone and virtual communication services for

2121
03:14:28,080 --> 03:14:35,520
dreamy meetings, family therapy sessions, behavior health assessments, screening, and intake operations.

2122
03:14:36,780 --> 03:14:42,720
Increased risk for relapse due to exposure or potential contraband items left in vehicles or

2123
03:14:42,720 --> 03:14:44,920
dropped along the sidewalk or parking lot.

2124
03:14:45,920 --> 03:14:52,340
Increased noise, foot and vehicle traffic will reduce the ability to facilitate outdoor therapy.

2125
03:14:52,340 --> 03:14:57,440
academic, cultural, and recreational activities in a calm,

2126
03:14:57,780 --> 03:14:59,620
distracted, free environment.

2127
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:07,120
And proposes a risk to client confidentiality. Ravensway provides an essential substance

2128
03:15:07,120 --> 03:15:12,320
abuse treatment services to youth and their families at the end of Subert Avenue since 1989.

2129
03:15:13,580 --> 03:15:19,880
This program is the only one of its kind that provides a specific service in Southeast Alaska,

2130
03:15:20,460 --> 03:15:26,820
and only one of three programs in the state of Alaska. I urge the city to move the proposed

2131
03:15:26,820 --> 03:15:31,580
C-plane based to an alternative location that has been identified.

2132
03:15:32,180 --> 03:15:34,620
Thank you for your time, support, and consideration.

2133
03:15:37,200 --> 03:15:38,960
Anybody else on the public wish to speak?

2134
03:15:39,820 --> 03:15:40,540
My board.

2135
03:15:51,450 --> 03:15:51,910
Good evening.

2136
03:15:52,450 --> 03:15:53,630
My name is Dave Gordon.

2137
03:15:54,310 --> 03:15:59,410
I'm a C-plane owner and a current user of the existing facility.

2138
03:16:00,210 --> 03:16:05,050
I'm also on the Porton Harbour's Commission, but I'm here speaking on behalf of myself.

2139
03:16:05,710 --> 03:16:14,390
I've been involved with this issue for going on 10 years participating in the public process for determining the need, site selection, and facility design.

2140
03:16:15,410 --> 03:16:23,090
C-plane operations in the SICKA channel has been happening for many decades and is in the central part of SICKA's transportation needs.

2141
03:16:23,910 --> 03:16:25,050
This is not a new thing.

2142
03:16:26,210 --> 03:16:31,030
Numerous small communities, hatcheries and remote lodges that surround SICA are reliant

2143
03:16:31,030 --> 03:16:36,830
on sea planes for almost all of their personal transportation, goods and services, and access

2144
03:16:36,830 --> 03:16:43,430
to health care. Certainly, there is the economic benefit to SICA if SICA remains as a hub

2145
03:16:43,430 --> 03:16:54,190
to these surrounding communities. And this was recognized by this body in 2018 with the

2146
03:16:54,190 --> 03:16:59,010
18-22. Sighting studies looked at all options on the

2147
03:16:59,010 --> 03:17:04,890
CICRA road system and found only one workable location that met the standards for sea

2148
03:17:04,890 --> 03:17:10,970
plane operations and standards of FAA grant funding. That site is on the north side of

2149
03:17:10,970 --> 03:17:17,330
Dupontsky Island. I understand there are concerns regarding increased noise levels at the

2150
03:17:17,330 --> 03:17:23,510
knee location. I will point out that sea planes while taxing on the water do not make much

2151
03:17:23,510 --> 03:17:31,050
noise or while landing and that is the takeoff where there's a short period of of louder

2152
03:17:31,050 --> 03:17:39,570
noise that the new site would not really affect the current way that sea planes use the

2153
03:17:39,570 --> 03:17:41,210
takeoff lanes in the channel.

2154
03:17:45,890 --> 03:17:50,050
Seaplane operations are highly seasonal and seaplane activity becomes

2155
03:17:50,050 --> 03:17:55,770
was minimal beginning mid September through mid May, about eight months out of the year.

2156
03:17:57,870 --> 03:18:04,090
And in regards to, I mean, I think a facility, I wasn't able to take anything else because

2157
03:18:04,090 --> 03:18:09,230
I didn't have a pen, but listening to the previous person, I think there would be security

2158
03:18:09,230 --> 03:18:17,250
around this facility and would not be access for the people to get into this facility and

2159
03:18:17,250 --> 03:18:21,130
to the parking lots to get into whatever the fear is

2160
03:18:21,130 --> 03:18:22,070
that they would get into.

2161
03:18:22,810 --> 03:18:25,490
And finally, I wanted to summarize

2162
03:18:25,490 --> 03:18:29,470
that the current dilapidated condition

2163
03:18:29,470 --> 03:18:31,210
of the existing facility,

2164
03:18:31,770 --> 03:18:34,170
if we do not move forward with this project,

2165
03:18:34,510 --> 03:18:36,470
SICKA and a few short years

2166
03:18:36,470 --> 03:18:39,070
will be without a C-plane facility.

2167
03:18:40,010 --> 03:18:42,890
I urge the assembly to continue to support this need

2168
03:18:42,890 --> 03:18:46,150
a project and move forward to the next step

2169
03:18:46,150 --> 03:18:47,850
by supporting this resolution.

2170
03:18:49,330 --> 03:18:52,350
Thank you, you must have timed that.

2171
03:18:53,690 --> 03:18:55,070
You will write it three minutes.

2172
03:18:56,950 --> 03:18:57,250
All right.

2173
03:19:00,230 --> 03:19:00,610
Welcome.

2174
03:19:01,410 --> 03:19:05,450
This is not actually why I came to the assembly meeting tonight.

2175
03:19:05,990 --> 03:19:10,550
My name is Keith Nitray, and I used to be on the Port Harbor's commission for nine years.

2176
03:19:11,110 --> 03:19:15,470
Having a C-plane base is really important to the economics of this community.

2177
03:19:15,470 --> 03:19:19,050
And I support Raven's way totally.

2178
03:19:19,490 --> 03:19:22,570
Please don't get me wrong on that.

2179
03:19:22,830 --> 03:19:25,910
What they're doing in this community or for this community is extremely valuable.

2180
03:19:26,470 --> 03:19:32,710
But as the previous gentleman just said, the taxing from a place is not the noise.

2181
03:19:33,710 --> 03:19:38,470
No matter where a sea plane base is based, the taxing, the noise of taking off or

2182
03:19:38,470 --> 03:19:41,450
landing is going to be in the channel, no matter where it's located.

2183
03:19:42,230 --> 03:19:47,350
And I just wanted to say, we need a sea plain base.

2184
03:19:47,890 --> 03:19:56,950
We need to have a permanent place that we can add to our tourism and our sea plain.

2185
03:19:57,410 --> 03:20:01,790
We've talked about this for 12, 15 or more years.

2186
03:20:02,650 --> 03:20:05,450
And we don't have one that we need, and we need that in this town.

2187
03:20:06,010 --> 03:20:10,670
And again, I appreciate what the previous speaker from Ravensway was saying.

2188
03:20:10,670 --> 03:20:17,510
But most of the sea planes occur in the summertime and

2189
03:20:19,530 --> 03:20:23,850
the noise from the takeoff and landing occur in the channel no matter where they're based.

2190
03:20:24,430 --> 03:20:28,950
And I support having this go forth.

2191
03:20:29,250 --> 03:20:29,990
Thank you.

2192
03:20:30,210 --> 03:20:33,090
And I said I did not expect to be here tonight to say that.

2193
03:20:34,430 --> 03:20:36,090
Anyone else like to speak to this?

2194
03:20:37,210 --> 03:20:38,850
That's somebody coming up from behind you right now.

2195
03:20:44,290 --> 03:20:58,230
Frederick Olson, Jr., resident of Sitka, and like the previous gentleman, I was not coming here to speak at all, but like on the previous items, I feel compelled to speak.

2196
03:20:58,570 --> 03:21:10,790
I do speak as myself, I am on the Sitka tribe of Alaska tribal council, but I am not authorized to speak for the tribe, and I'm not doing so tonight.

2197
03:21:13,120 --> 03:21:35,780
The reason I'm compelled to speak is I'm surprised that this is on the agenda because we had had meetings with the developers, if that's the right word, you know, the Travel Council and the Travel Council is very supportive, of course, of search, and besides Ravensway, the new hospital is going to be there.

2198
03:21:35,780 --> 03:21:43,200
very close to this facility and there's sound issues, there's traffic and there've been

2199
03:21:43,200 --> 03:21:49,660
respectful consultation, you know, I'm talking about this issue at the tribal council meeting.

2200
03:21:51,220 --> 03:21:56,620
And then I thought they were going to, we were going to have more of these discussions and

2201
03:21:56,620 --> 03:22:05,020
work out some of these details but now I see this and so I'm not sure what to think.

2202
03:22:05,020 --> 03:22:11,860
I think, I guess I would support development, but there are problems with that location.

2203
03:22:12,600 --> 03:22:16,340
But maybe things can be worked out with, that location could still be there.

2204
03:22:16,420 --> 03:22:20,520
But sound could be worked on at the hospital.

2205
03:22:20,520 --> 03:22:26,980
Maybe some of the funding for this sea plain base, some there be funding for

2206
03:22:26,980 --> 03:22:31,600
the base that would protect the hospital sound, et cetera.

2207
03:22:33,740 --> 03:22:50,000
So I'll yield the rest of my time, but I'm more surprised, but kind of concerned that this is coming out without being fully worked out with the search hospital and the tribe.

2208
03:22:51,160 --> 03:22:51,680
Thank you.

2209
03:22:54,760 --> 03:22:55,420
Anyone else?

2210
03:23:04,560 --> 03:23:14,220
Richard Wien, I'll say the best for last, the important thing about this project is that

2211
03:23:14,220 --> 03:23:17,580
it has been going on for a very long time, the discussion.

2212
03:23:18,440 --> 03:23:26,300
And because of people's inability to make a decision about it, we went from zero cost

2213
03:23:26,300 --> 03:23:39,140
to this from the FAA, to now a 6.25 match, which represents $1 million, and so that is an important commitment.

2214
03:23:40,220 --> 03:23:55,100
The important thing is that we must remember that we live on an island, and that there are many smaller communities out there which actually would depend on us for supply material movement, personnel movement, whether it's through the hatcheries or so forth.

2215
03:23:55,100 --> 03:24:00,620
But because of issues related to the development or lack of development of the sea plain base

2216
03:24:01,140 --> 03:24:07,100
Those entities actually went through Juneau and we lost substantial amounts of money

2217
03:24:07,100 --> 03:24:14,700
The bottom line is it's people are going to be landing in and out of the channel no matter what whether the sea plain base is there

2218
03:24:14,700 --> 03:24:20,840
The important thing here is is that it needs to move forward

2219
03:24:20,840 --> 03:24:25,240
These things were vetted publicly with many public meetings.

2220
03:24:25,820 --> 03:24:28,980
We spoke about it quite often at the assembly.

2221
03:24:29,440 --> 03:24:37,940
I was happy to say I was on the assembly at that time and voted for it, because it's an important piece of the puzzle for Sitka to develop.

2222
03:24:38,560 --> 03:24:41,480
And this needs to go forward.

2223
03:24:41,940 --> 03:24:48,420
We have voted here on the assembly for many resolutions just to show support.

2224
03:24:48,420 --> 03:24:54,520
Well, this process has already gone on for quite a bit of time, and there's been a lot

2225
03:24:54,520 --> 03:24:55,880
of work put into it.

2226
03:24:56,700 --> 03:25:04,860
Not the least site surveys, which really just came up with this one single site.

2227
03:25:05,300 --> 03:25:07,020
It is not as though you can move it.

2228
03:25:07,500 --> 03:25:14,920
My suggestion is that search has the finance and the capability that if this is a big issue

2229
03:25:14,920 --> 03:25:22,860
for Ravensway. God bless them. Find another location. If this is truly what the issue is.

2230
03:25:23,300 --> 03:25:33,440
I wish them a good luck on this, but the C-plane base has to move forward and you really need to

2231
03:25:33,440 --> 03:25:39,260
vote it. We are in an island. We service communities. The best way to service a lot of these

2232
03:25:39,260 --> 03:25:43,000
These communities are seaplanes if we are even have a chance to grow.

2233
03:25:43,720 --> 03:25:48,920
We need to have these type of entities develop and flourish.

2234
03:25:51,860 --> 03:25:55,060
Otherwise, try to get the port protection in a kayak.

2235
03:25:58,630 --> 03:25:59,610
Anybody else from the public,

2236
03:26:01,800 --> 03:26:03,060
back to the assembly?

2237
03:26:04,180 --> 03:26:07,500
Tor, I have six individuals to call.

2238
03:26:08,720 --> 03:26:09,400
Oh, I think you do.

2239
03:26:10,020 --> 03:26:10,460
Sorry.

2240
03:26:18,140 --> 03:26:20,020
That was on the right page of the agenda and see that.

2241
03:26:42,200 --> 03:26:42,740
Hi, John.

2242
03:26:43,220 --> 03:26:45,000
This is Sarah calling from the Assembly Meeting.

2243
03:26:45,060 --> 03:26:47,660
We're taking public testimony on the C-plane base.

2244
03:26:48,260 --> 03:26:50,520
It's my understanding that you wish to testify.

2245
03:26:50,800 --> 03:26:54,160
If you can state your first and last name for the record and then your three minutes will begin.

2246
03:26:55,400 --> 03:26:55,620
Yeah.

2247
03:26:55,740 --> 03:26:56,580
My name is John Raj.

2248
03:26:58,340 --> 03:26:58,980
Go ahead.

2249
03:27:00,200 --> 03:27:01,020
Thank you, everybody.

2250
03:27:01,020 --> 03:27:03,740
Thank you for making some time for this.

2251
03:27:03,740 --> 03:27:07,720
But I just wanted to express my opposition to the location.

2252
03:27:08,880 --> 03:27:13,160
I know that a lot of talk about rape into what is happening, but there's also mental

2253
03:27:13,160 --> 03:27:16,580
health and behavioral services that are all amongst the three.

2254
03:27:17,820 --> 03:27:27,180
And I think that it would be helpful to reconsider the location given the amount of relocation

2255
03:27:27,180 --> 03:27:29,940
that may need to happen, that's one aspect.

2256
03:27:29,940 --> 03:27:36,840
But also for the people whose voice, who can't be represented tonight, which are those people who do receive services at these locations.

2257
03:27:37,260 --> 03:27:48,380
Not only Ravensway, but inpatient treatment, outpatient treatment for substance use, as well as just community mental health services in general that happen on super straight.

2258
03:27:48,380 --> 03:27:58,900
And I want to encourage the board to or the assembly to take some time to reconsider the fact and even if it doesn't change mine.

2259
03:27:59,440 --> 03:28:12,480
I think that it would be helpful to take that into consideration when identifying this location and not that's what it's going to have an impact on the citizens of Zipzica as well as people who fly in from all over Alaska to get this kind of help.

2260
03:28:13,160 --> 03:28:19,640
I, for one, do work in one of those rotations, and I know for certain that be taking off

2261
03:28:19,640 --> 03:28:28,560
and landing a plane, do disrupt sessions, conferences, and with an increase in that, I cannot

2262
03:28:28,560 --> 03:28:33,320
imagine being able to function well in that environment.

2263
03:28:34,600 --> 03:28:38,600
Thank you for your time, and I appreciate all that you do.

2264
03:28:38,840 --> 03:28:39,180
Thank you.

2265
03:28:39,180 --> 03:28:39,980
Hi,

2266
03:29:09,630 --> 03:29:09,890
Ryan.

2267
03:29:10,010 --> 03:29:11,730
This is Sarah, calling from the assembly meeting.

2268
03:29:11,830 --> 03:29:14,790
We're taking public comment on the C-plane base.

2269
03:29:15,030 --> 03:29:18,490
If you could state your first and last name for the record, and then your three minutes

2270
03:29:18,490 --> 03:29:18,990
will begin.

2271
03:29:21,950 --> 03:29:22,570
Once again here.

2272
03:29:26,200 --> 03:29:26,440
Hello.

2273
03:29:27,080 --> 03:29:30,880
This is Ryan for the opportunity to discuss my sentiments around the construction C-plane

2274
03:29:30,880 --> 03:29:31,260
base.

2275
03:29:31,600 --> 03:29:36,880
As indicated by resolution 2118, I need to urge against any support for the resolution and

2276
03:29:36,880 --> 03:29:37,800
the construction of the base.

2277
03:29:38,880 --> 03:29:42,000
That's particularly a location that the base itself, but the location.

2278
03:29:42,800 --> 03:29:45,540
I know that people have talked about the noise issue.

2279
03:29:46,300 --> 03:29:51,280
I just want to speak from experience, because my classroom is 20 feet from where it's going to be built,

2280
03:29:51,840 --> 03:29:57,700
that when playing taxi takeoff or land, we have to completely help the program

2281
03:29:57,700 --> 03:29:59,840
and wait for this place to pass on that.

2282
03:30:05,740 --> 03:30:28,860
The other piece is I was a little bit perplexed why the Department of Education and the Alaska Department of Education would sell this parcel since there's a class right next to it and it occurred to me this evening that they don't know that our school is there because I'm paper. It looks like I'm my program are in fact part of the DO or part of the high school. So I'm going to have to run medical change to communicate.

2283
03:30:28,860 --> 03:30:33,100
I really believe that they would have gone a different way if they had known that.

2284
03:30:34,060 --> 03:30:40,060
The other piece is, I know a lot of my friends here are talking about the mental impact

2285
03:30:40,060 --> 03:30:43,880
and the, as I mentioned before, the noise issue.

2286
03:30:44,440 --> 03:30:51,720
One other piece I want to kind of bring up is that there are, of course, the Ravens, excuse

2287
03:30:51,720 --> 03:30:57,120
me, there are families that live in that area, including Coast Guard housing and some of

2288
03:30:57,120 --> 03:31:01,820
the families that live within the buildings and the area where our program is located

2289
03:31:01,820 --> 03:31:03,520
that I know that would affect them.

2290
03:31:06,500 --> 03:31:06,980
Additionally,

2291
03:31:09,000 --> 03:31:12,580
if you were to enter the buildings that we utilize, you will notice that each building

2292
03:31:12,580 --> 03:31:14,860
has a red handprint in each corner.

2293
03:31:15,120 --> 03:31:19,940
Our buildings were blessed by elders and set apart a sacred space for the healing of the sick

2294
03:31:19,940 --> 03:31:23,160
and the afflicted in our community and throughout the communities of Alaska.

2295
03:31:23,160 --> 03:31:28,460
People with extensive trauma, intergenerational trauma, physical abuse trauma, sexual abuse

2296
03:31:28,460 --> 03:31:33,740
trauma, co-occurring disorders and displacement trauma, those are the kinds of people that

2297
03:31:33,740 --> 03:31:34,700
come into our program.

2298
03:31:35,120 --> 03:31:40,500
And having that kind of influence around that space can be very detrimental.

2299
03:31:40,980 --> 03:31:45,300
My co-workers and I work earnestly and fever sleep combat, one of the terrible bi-products

2300
03:31:45,300 --> 03:31:46,360
of colonization.

2301
03:31:47,040 --> 03:31:52,020
And in this context, some species disorders and all the experiential kind of damage that

2302
03:31:52,020 --> 03:31:59,780
I believe that the construction of C-plane base in that location would have a detrimental

2303
03:31:59,780 --> 03:32:02,820
effect on the patients and the students that attend our program.

2304
03:32:04,480 --> 03:32:06,540
Congratulations and thank you.

2305
03:32:11,800 --> 03:32:12,340
Ryan Hill.

2306
03:32:52,260 --> 03:32:52,760
Well.

2307
03:32:53,300 --> 03:32:54,100
Hi, Leanne.

2308
03:32:54,320 --> 03:32:55,960
It's Sarah calling from the assembly meeting.

2309
03:32:56,060 --> 03:32:58,560
We're taking public testimony on the C-plane base.

2310
03:32:58,640 --> 03:33:02,640
If you could state your first and last name for the record and then your three minutes will

2311
03:33:02,640 --> 03:33:02,940
begin.

2312
03:33:05,880 --> 03:33:15,080
Okay. My name is Maria and I'm speaking on my half of myself as a citizen of Sitka. I would like to

2313
03:33:15,080 --> 03:33:21,840
express my concerns about the proposed public UC playing base at the preferred location at the

2314
03:33:21,840 --> 03:33:28,400
north end of Japansky Island. I'm not opposed to a new UC playing base. However, I do have concerns

2315
03:33:28,400 --> 03:33:35,000
about this specific location on the north end of Japansky Island. Specifically, this location

2316
03:33:35,000 --> 03:33:41,180
is within a very close proximity of the Ravenslay program has been noted earlier tonight.

2317
03:33:42,080 --> 03:33:46,900
But before this point of time, I don't believe that it was a fact that was very well known.

2318
03:33:48,020 --> 03:33:52,700
This is an important program that runs year-round, and it also provides

2319
03:33:52,700 --> 03:34:00,540
a residential substance abuse treatment for at-risk use to sick care and around the state

2320
03:34:00,540 --> 03:34:01,060
of Alaska.

2321
03:34:01,660 --> 03:34:08,880
A seaplane base in this area would pose significant disruptions to therapeutic, academic, and daily

2322
03:34:08,880 --> 03:34:12,780
living for use that engage in this program.

2323
03:34:13,540 --> 03:34:20,360
There was the Dowell Environmental Assessment Report, and in that it did note that there would

2324
03:34:20,360 --> 03:34:26,860
be 136 estimated, one-way trips during peak season per day.

2325
03:34:27,660 --> 03:34:31,820
And I believe this would pose significant difficulties to engagement and therapy and

2326
03:34:31,820 --> 03:34:40,100
at school, both of which occur on site and in post-proximity to that base, an environment

2327
03:34:40,100 --> 03:34:41,880
that is free from frequent,

2328
03:34:47,400 --> 03:34:50,800
scary, frowning growth and healing.

2329
03:34:50,800 --> 03:34:55,920
I would urge you to consider a different location for the SIGA C-Planet base.

2330
03:34:56,100 --> 03:34:59,060
It would not pose a disruption to these vital services.

2331
03:35:00,040 --> 03:35:00,420
Thank you.

2332
03:35:33,090 --> 03:35:33,310
Hello.

2333
03:35:35,130 --> 03:35:36,770
Hi, Jeremiah, this is Sarah.

2334
03:35:37,090 --> 03:35:38,170
Calling from the assembly meeting.

2335
03:35:38,430 --> 03:35:40,730
We're taking public comment on the C-Planet base.

2336
03:35:40,730 --> 03:35:42,890
If you could state your first and last name for the record

2337
03:35:42,890 --> 03:35:46,390
and then your three-minute or time limit will begin.

2338
03:35:47,990 --> 03:35:49,730
Oh, yes. My name is Jeremiah Craig.

2339
03:35:52,090 --> 03:35:59,830
and I speak for myself. The citizen is so good but I'd like to express my opposition to the

2340
03:35:59,830 --> 03:36:08,970
location and the plain base I understand. The need transportation needs but the location has

2341
03:36:08,970 --> 03:36:19,130
me concerned. I already expressed my concern about noise pollution and I work on sewer

2342
03:36:19,130 --> 03:36:29,350
avenue, my office is there and I can tell you from experience that the noise is substantial

2343
03:36:29,350 --> 03:36:33,350
whenever a plane lands or takes off in the channel.

2344
03:36:35,370 --> 03:36:37,410
If I'm on the phone I have to wait for

2345
03:36:37,410 --> 03:36:42,350
to pass. I'm talking to someone in the office, I have to wait for it to pass. And I am 100

2346
03:36:42,350 --> 03:36:42,890
feet away.

2347
03:36:46,270 --> 03:36:51,970
And that is with the traffic we currently have. An increase in traffic would

2348
03:36:51,970 --> 03:36:58,470
be extremely detrimental to everybody on that street.

2349
03:37:01,290 --> 03:37:02,110
We're able to program,

2350
03:37:05,010 --> 03:37:05,190
you know,

2351
03:37:06,870 --> 03:37:13,570
Ryan mentioned, there's people out there, I know the superintendents, houses on that

2352
03:37:13,570 --> 03:37:13,930
street.

2353
03:37:17,600 --> 03:37:21,240
I've heard the concerns about, you don't know where else to put it.

2354
03:37:21,680 --> 03:37:29,550
You guys should move, but that seems like a pretty cold thing to say, is you're already

2355
03:37:29,550 --> 03:37:31,310
there while you're moving in.

2356
03:37:32,690 --> 03:37:33,090
Just

2357
03:37:35,680 --> 03:37:43,820
like to see another location found, Dr. Wien says, you know, search has money, move

2358
03:37:43,820 --> 03:37:44,400
Ravensway.

2359
03:37:45,140 --> 03:37:49,040
Well, it's not just Ravensway, everything, and I don't know where that money is going to

2360
03:37:49,040 --> 03:37:49,420
come from.

2361
03:37:53,860 --> 03:37:55,140
I guess that's all I have to say.

2362
03:37:55,680 --> 03:37:55,880
Thank you.

2363
03:38:09,180 --> 03:38:09,560
Sir?

2364
03:39:04,000 --> 03:39:04,760
Hi, Christine.

2365
03:39:04,920 --> 03:39:06,400
It's Sarah, calling from the Assembly Meeting.

2366
03:39:06,560 --> 03:39:08,780
We're taking public testimony on the C point base.

2367
03:39:08,780 --> 03:39:12,440
If you could state your first and last name for the record and then your three minutes

2368
03:39:12,440 --> 03:39:12,940
will begin.

2369
03:39:14,540 --> 03:39:15,000
Okay.

2370
03:39:15,420 --> 03:39:21,080
I'm a 40-year resident of Sitka, Alaska.

2371
03:39:21,960 --> 03:39:28,540
I'd like to thank the assembly for its operator's speak and I'd like to seek tonight

2372
03:39:28,540 --> 03:39:31,860
against the proposed sea plain-based location.

2373
03:39:32,600 --> 03:39:39,880
It's location is very close to an active patient's treatment area for mental health and substance use.

2374
03:39:40,960 --> 03:39:49,400
Noise levels traffic. I'm quite concerned about the noise level, which I hear from many people of Sitka

2375
03:39:49,400 --> 03:39:56,620
and in this meeting that, you know, the noise levels can't be helped no matter where the sea plane base is.

2376
03:39:56,620 --> 03:40:23,820
But I'm of the belief that if there are several locations that can be looked at besides this one right on this location on Japan's ski island, noise level and traffic are important to the treatment of people who this therapeutic environment that we've created over there can be disrupted by lots of traffic.

2377
03:40:24,640 --> 03:40:32,340
And at this level of care, privacy and confidentiality are highly important or for people to get the treatment they need.

2378
03:40:33,160 --> 03:40:51,020
I would encourage before anybody made a decision on this is to have assembly members drive over to the location and take a look at how close the proposed area is to the school buildings and the therapeutic areas that the kids will be using.

2379
03:40:51,020 --> 03:40:57,380
And of course, as said earlier, that this isn't just for children, it's also an adult treatment

2380
03:40:57,380 --> 03:40:57,800
area.

2381
03:40:58,120 --> 03:41:04,160
So, you know, I want to thank the assembly for allowing me to speak tonight and appreciate

2382
03:41:04,160 --> 03:41:04,620
your time.

2383
03:41:05,020 --> 03:41:05,420
Thank you.

2384
03:41:48,110 --> 03:41:48,490
Hi, Kevin.

2385
03:41:48,750 --> 03:41:50,330
It's Sarah, calling from the Assembly Meeting.

2386
03:41:50,810 --> 03:41:53,230
We are taking public comment on the seed plain base.

2387
03:41:53,410 --> 03:41:57,050
If you could state your first and last name for the record, and then your three minutes will

2388
03:41:57,050 --> 03:41:57,330
begin.

2389
03:41:57,330 --> 03:41:58,510
Yeah,

2390
03:42:00,950 --> 03:42:10,990
so you come, so I'm going to jump here and it might be broken and mine is 9.568.99.

2391
03:42:11,570 --> 03:42:12,690
But do you hear me okay?

2392
03:42:14,270 --> 03:42:15,730
Yes, go ahead.

2393
03:42:18,120 --> 03:42:27,200
Okay, you know, we, the portal here and I am a C-plane operator.

2394
03:42:27,200 --> 03:42:36,600
And I would like to say that that's C-plane based and that we've been for close to

2395
03:42:36,600 --> 03:42:50,580
peers in our community and portal depends on search for our health needs.

2396
03:42:50,580 --> 03:42:54,460
If the search is going to control the medical facilities,

2397
03:42:58,400 --> 03:43:02,180
you know, sea planes provide access.

2398
03:43:02,920 --> 03:43:05,340
It's true, SICKA, if for Port

2399
03:43:15,200 --> 03:43:15,700
Walts,

2400
03:43:20,820 --> 03:43:24,340
Armstrong, Port, and Protection.

2401
03:43:24,740 --> 03:43:25,860
If you

2402
03:43:28,900 --> 03:43:30,520
were to get it to

2403
03:43:32,630 --> 03:43:34,990
provide, they have the obligation.

2404
03:43:35,310 --> 03:43:40,370
And search has the obligation to provide to our small communities.

2405
03:43:40,370 --> 03:43:50,170
And the places that it's just, we've come to the end to get finished.

2406
03:43:50,570 --> 03:43:55,730
I know the noise issue and all those things that everybody talks about.

2407
03:43:56,930 --> 03:44:03,690
The benefits out way, the detriment of it,

2408
03:44:07,340 --> 03:44:10,200
we've come too far and trying to put this together.

2409
03:44:10,200 --> 03:44:23,040
And, you know, it's just something that needs to be, it needs to happen and we need to go forward with this.

2410
03:44:23,500 --> 03:44:30,640
And there's a lot more of places outside of SICKA that need SICKA for help.

2411
03:44:31,860 --> 03:44:40,010
You know, for our access, we live in these remote areas.

2412
03:44:40,010 --> 03:44:42,890
and we need to be able to get to SICKA.

2413
03:44:43,370 --> 03:44:46,670
And SICKA and Port Alexander are part of AAS,

2414
03:44:46,850 --> 03:44:48,970
which is our system,

2415
03:44:50,050 --> 03:44:51,230
it's part of our expectation.

2416
03:44:52,370 --> 03:44:54,490
And we need SICKA for our materials,

2417
03:44:55,050 --> 03:44:56,590
our medical needs,

2418
03:44:56,890 --> 03:44:57,910
mental health,

2419
03:44:58,730 --> 03:44:59,550
groceries.

2420
03:45:00,460 --> 03:45:10,880
And so I just really supported and I know that the noise issue is something but mental health

2421
03:45:10,880 --> 03:45:18,700
and the health and stability of the remote community center are very important too. And that's

2422
03:45:18,700 --> 03:45:24,260
all I said, I really support that. I appreciate all the work that's been done and all the

2423
03:45:24,260 --> 03:45:31,120
work to make this happen so far and I appreciate everybody's help and everybody's

2424
03:45:31,120 --> 03:45:32,060
worked so far.

2425
03:45:34,180 --> 03:45:38,920
It's just there's no perfect cure for everything but there's

2426
03:45:38,920 --> 03:45:48,380
we live in a fragile lifestyle. So you know can you wrap it up please? Okay that's

2427
03:45:48,380 --> 03:45:52,360
all I have to say thank you. Thank you. Anybody else Sarah?

2428
03:45:54,720 --> 03:45:55,420
Okay somebody else

2429
03:45:55,420 --> 03:45:56,340
from the public. That's fine.

2430
03:46:08,240 --> 03:46:12,280
Good evening. My name is Tom Gimel. Thank you to the assembly members

2431
03:46:12,980 --> 03:46:19,180
and bringing whoever bought this resolution forward. I decided to come down to the most compelling

2432
03:46:19,180 --> 03:46:24,840
part of the evening was when a member who was speaking on his own but is also a member of the tribal

2433
03:46:24,840 --> 03:46:32,000
council noted that this was a discussion item that should be thoroughly discussed as a government

2434
03:46:32,000 --> 03:46:33,100
to government relationship,

2435
03:46:35,460 --> 03:46:39,160
honoring that relationship goes beyond the meeting table and beyond the

2436
03:46:39,160 --> 03:46:46,140
handshake agreement. It goes beyond the land acknowledgement to the extent some of us should

2437
03:46:46,140 --> 03:46:51,120
be given a brown card to be given free parking in some of these places you guys are renaming.

2438
03:46:52,340 --> 03:46:57,280
Some of us who can say we've been here for thousands of years might say you know what?

2439
03:46:57,920 --> 03:47:01,260
that sea plan base right there is on a historical site.

2440
03:47:02,460 --> 03:47:05,100
The leader of the historic preservation commission

2441
03:47:05,100 --> 03:47:06,980
might even be able to attest to something

2442
03:47:06,980 --> 03:47:09,380
that she heard from a tribal elder once in her lifetime.

2443
03:47:10,960 --> 03:47:14,760
And so what you're reading before you tonight says

2444
03:47:15,540 --> 03:47:16,580
preferred location.

2445
03:47:18,080 --> 03:47:21,800
And what I'm hearing tonight is a finding of no significant impact

2446
03:47:22,360 --> 03:47:24,640
I have to disagree because

2447
03:47:24,640 --> 03:47:27,300
as the witnesses in the room can hear

2448
03:47:27,820 --> 03:47:30,600
with their own ears and see with their own eyes

2449
03:47:31,280 --> 03:47:33,860
that there are findings of significant impact.

2450
03:47:34,740 --> 03:47:37,020
There are sounds, there are noises, there are sites,

2451
03:47:37,560 --> 03:47:40,500
there are people, the environmental assessment

2452
03:47:40,500 --> 03:47:42,220
that was completed should have been able

2453
03:47:42,220 --> 03:47:44,400
to identify these things in the first document.

2454
03:47:45,500 --> 03:47:47,240
Now, I didn't go to school for these things,

2455
03:47:48,020 --> 03:47:50,120
but I was educated at the National Park.

2456
03:47:51,000 --> 03:47:54,900
I installed at a federal park, a totem pole.

2457
03:47:55,800 --> 03:47:57,420
I installed at a federal park.

2458
03:47:58,420 --> 03:48:01,500
My bronze plaques, you guys only get to go visit in the middle of a field.

2459
03:48:03,360 --> 03:48:04,980
Somewhere out in the middle of the forest,

2460
03:48:05,480 --> 03:48:07,780
I installed a bronze plaque for the forest service.

2461
03:48:08,620 --> 03:48:14,220
So I'm pretty well aware of the process that's used when you decide you have a preferred location.

2462
03:48:15,700 --> 03:48:17,320
But where are the alternative locations?

2463
03:48:20,020 --> 03:48:26,560
That's not being discussed tonight, so as a former tribal council member, a former president

2464
03:48:26,560 --> 03:48:34,180
of the Alaska River Head, a current resident of this community, and an indigenous man,

2465
03:48:35,660 --> 03:48:37,920
I'm going to say I disagree with the location.

2466
03:48:39,340 --> 03:48:40,980
I disagree with the process.

2467
03:48:41,740 --> 03:48:48,900
I'm requesting that this city through whoever is the acting mayor tonight to go back to meet

2468
03:48:48,900 --> 03:48:54,740
with a sick tribal Alaska, you know, asking a brotherhood and the indigenous people of the land.

2469
03:48:55,840 --> 03:49:02,780
They're excited. They're children and they're grandchildren because what you're about to change

2470
03:49:02,780 --> 03:49:10,540
isn't for profit. It isn't about money and it isn't about access. To be told, I'm going to take 10 more

2471
03:49:10,540 --> 03:49:19,420
seconds. I can travel to New Mexico or even Mexico for that matter, for the amount that

2472
03:49:19,420 --> 03:49:25,140
I get charged to go to June, Alaska. So if you think I'm stalling a C plane base it's

2473
03:49:25,140 --> 03:49:32,860
going to lower my fare so I can get to Juneau to represent my people when you guys don't.

2474
03:49:33,860 --> 03:49:37,160
I'm going to pay whatever I need to to get there. Thank you for your time.

2475
03:49:38,760 --> 03:49:41,440
Anyone else that want to speak state

2476
03:49:51,900 --> 03:49:53,280
your name, please, before you start?

2477
03:49:54,860 --> 03:49:55,540
Did

2478
03:49:58,330 --> 03:50:00,030
she play an aerodrome?

2479
03:50:03,670 --> 03:50:06,650
The propellers break the sound barrier.

2480
03:50:07,970 --> 03:50:11,090
They create a sonic boom, really.

2481
03:50:12,010 --> 03:50:18,350
It scares the birds, but the jet planes land.

2482
03:50:18,350 --> 03:50:23,830
It's like you're looking at a potential difficulty.

2483
03:50:26,490 --> 03:50:27,870
I see it over my head.

2484
03:50:29,180 --> 03:50:32,190
The tip of the propellers break the soundbearer.

2485
03:50:32,230 --> 03:50:37,610
It's a sonic boom and it scares the birds and they fly over the other airport area.

2486
03:50:38,730 --> 03:50:40,390
So it has it to aviation.

2487
03:50:41,430 --> 03:50:42,230
Thank you.

2488
03:50:45,130 --> 03:50:46,900
Anyone else who needs to speak to this?

2489
03:50:48,240 --> 03:50:49,120
Back to the assembly.

2490
03:50:52,770 --> 03:50:52,950
Kevin?

2491
03:50:56,640 --> 03:50:57,300
Go ahead, Valerie.

2492
03:50:57,300 --> 03:50:58,900
All right, go ahead if you want to go.

2493
03:51:00,160 --> 03:51:24,760
Well, I just wanted to say it looks like, you know, this isn't like time critical that we have to do it today. And I'm not sure when the tribes next meeting is, but in light of the questions and concerns that I've received by email and the testimony I've heard tonight, I would entertain a motion to put this off until

2494
03:51:24,760 --> 03:51:31,880
So what would it be unfinished business at the meeting of September 28th or maybe a special

2495
03:51:31,880 --> 03:51:32,260
meeting?

2496
03:51:32,460 --> 03:51:41,900
But I do believe that we, if we are honoring our MOU with the tribe or MOA, that this needs

2497
03:51:41,900 --> 03:51:43,420
to be discussed with them.

2498
03:51:49,040 --> 03:51:50,920
We can talk about that if you like.

2499
03:51:52,680 --> 03:51:57,720
I think it might be worth a little bit of a round of discussion here before we do that.

2500
03:51:57,720 --> 03:51:58,240
I don't know if that's okay.

2501
03:51:59,680 --> 03:52:00,060
Kevin?

2502
03:52:05,620 --> 03:52:08,920
Well, yeah, I am sympathetic to, you know,

2503
03:52:09,300 --> 03:52:12,860
ensuring that we have all the discussions

2504
03:52:12,860 --> 03:52:16,240
that we need to have around this item.

2505
03:52:16,840 --> 03:52:20,640
I'd also like to point out that there's been

2506
03:52:20,640 --> 03:52:27,640
an extremely exhaustive process around looking for a site

2507
03:52:27,640 --> 03:52:31,200
for the redevelopment of our C-plane base.

2508
03:52:32,880 --> 03:52:37,480
The SICKET channel has been used as a C-plane aerodrome for

2509
03:52:38,380 --> 03:52:40,420
better than 75 years.

2510
03:52:41,700 --> 03:52:43,200
This is not a new thing.

2511
03:52:44,120 --> 03:52:47,620
Obviously, we've had our current base in its current location

2512
03:52:47,620 --> 03:52:50,720
for a little over 50, I believe it is.

2513
03:52:54,450 --> 03:53:03,130
And, you know, the relocation of this has been quite extensively studied both in 2012

2514
03:53:03,130 --> 03:53:13,290
and 2016, citing studies were done, and it wasn't a – it was an exhaustive process.

2515
03:53:13,350 --> 03:53:15,390
It wasn't anything that was taken lightly.

2516
03:53:15,390 --> 03:53:23,410
of locations all over, as it was mentioned, on the road system, James Town Bay, Silver

2517
03:53:23,410 --> 03:53:35,570
Bay, Stargavin, across the channel over by the old C-plane haul-out, James Town Bay.

2518
03:53:36,010 --> 03:53:43,170
I can't remember all the different ones, but it was exhaustively studied, and there were

2519
03:53:43,170 --> 03:53:49,230
significant problems with all of the other locations and it was determined

2520
03:53:49,230 --> 03:53:55,790
that remaining, you know, the arrow drone remaining in the channel was really

2521
03:53:55,790 --> 03:54:05,310
the only alternative and this location was the only real viable spot for the

2522
03:54:05,310 --> 03:54:09,910
new base to be developed. The current location has upland problems, it has

2523
03:54:09,910 --> 03:54:20,410
congestion problems. So it couldn't be redeveloped in that same spot. The traffic or the noise issue

2524
03:54:20,410 --> 03:54:24,910
remains the same because the takeoff channel was in the same spot.

2525
03:54:27,130 --> 03:54:31,450
But again, this has been

2526
03:54:31,450 --> 03:54:37,790
something that's been out in the public for quite some time. I was a part of the call that

2527
03:54:37,790 --> 03:54:46,850
That took place between some of the tribal council members and search representatives.

2528
03:54:46,850 --> 03:54:54,450
We had a good conversation about some of the issues and concerns that were brought up.

2529
03:54:56,010 --> 03:55:03,950
We weren't able to come to conclusion on all the issues, but it felt like when we had left

2530
03:55:03,950 --> 03:55:09,410
that conversation that we had, you know, had a good conversation.

2531
03:55:12,300 --> 03:55:17,060
I don't know if postponing this does anything to our application.

2532
03:55:17,840 --> 03:55:28,340
It may start to indicate to the review, the grant review team that maybe we aren't as

2533
03:55:28,340 --> 03:55:35,500
strong a position as they would like to see us and it could set us back but I haven't been

2534
03:55:35,500 --> 03:55:40,880
in a part of any of those conversations, so I would lean back to staff to get their opinion there.

2535
03:55:47,240 --> 03:55:52,360
I just, was that, sure, go ahead.

2536
03:55:53,760 --> 03:56:03,300
So, at this point, the risk I would see right now, there is a grant agreement that is ready for signature.

2537
03:56:04,360 --> 03:56:10,820
They want to push this through so that we can get the 0% match, that grant agreement does have a 0%

2538
03:56:11,780 --> 03:56:17,220
So I think that would, at this point, be our risk further delays could have other issues.

2539
03:56:19,300 --> 03:56:19,780
Rebecca.

2540
03:56:21,780 --> 03:56:24,740
I feel like I'm being a dead horse a little bit after what Kevin said.

2541
03:56:24,980 --> 03:56:29,020
But can I check with Mr. Harmon about, I mean, has there been consultation?

2542
03:56:29,620 --> 03:56:35,980
It's been a long process, and I read months ago one of the reports.

2543
03:56:35,980 --> 03:56:36,900
Yeah,

2544
03:56:39,360 --> 03:56:41,960
I appreciate the question there.

2545
03:56:43,100 --> 03:56:48,820
There has been consultation, and in always, when you have consultation, it doesn't mean

2546
03:56:48,820 --> 03:56:55,080
that everyone got the answers they were hoping for, and maybe the solutions weren't quite

2547
03:56:55,080 --> 03:56:58,080
fully developed to where they would like to see.

2548
03:56:58,420 --> 03:57:00,800
So the consultation's not over.

2549
03:57:01,000 --> 03:57:07,380
The consultation under certain stages of the environmental document are done, but to move

2550
03:57:07,380 --> 03:57:12,600
on to many of the specific questions, for instance, that the tribe had.

2551
03:57:12,740 --> 03:57:15,320
Those are best handled through the design phase.

2552
03:57:15,580 --> 03:57:18,700
We need to develop more details on that.

2553
03:57:19,300 --> 03:57:23,720
So we have worked through and agreed upon their involvement.

2554
03:57:23,920 --> 03:57:25,760
And FAs have been heavily involved.

2555
03:57:25,940 --> 03:57:31,740
It's their funding and making sure this program follows all the proper of federal process.

2556
03:57:31,740 --> 03:57:49,700
And they've been involved with the tribe as well to negotiate that process all the way through to construction because the tribe would very much like to be involved if it reaches that stage, the cultural significance and what could be found if you're digging and those sorts of things.

2557
03:57:50,100 --> 03:57:56,100
So an agreement is getting worked on to have them involved throughout.

2558
03:57:56,100 --> 03:58:16,420
And I thought we were in a good place with that was my understanding, but if that's not the case, that's not something, you know, it doesn't go, I guess the clear message is this hasn't gone without good effort and Mr. Leach has really tried to make a good

2559
03:58:16,420 --> 03:58:23,140
effort to, and we had a number of meetings to start heading down this path in FAAs making

2560
03:58:23,140 --> 03:58:29,480
a special consideration to add some of these processes that wouldn't normally necessarily

2561
03:58:30,170 --> 03:58:36,340
need to be there per the federal rule. So it feels like everyone's trying to come to

2562
03:58:36,340 --> 03:58:44,060
the middle there to make sure there's involvement to a limit. And this is somewhat what I've

2563
03:58:44,060 --> 03:58:52,280
talked about at the process is if we need to lack of a better word or term, but

2564
03:58:52,280 --> 03:58:56,820
synchronize this to make it feel right for SICKA to assert.

2565
03:58:57,300 --> 03:59:01,920
You cross a certain line where FAA is not going to participate in that.

2566
03:59:02,060 --> 03:59:08,960
So it becomes our project and we need to fully fund it and do those mitigation things that aren't necessarily

2567
03:59:08,960 --> 03:59:15,720
warranted in the technical world that we work by and they work by to justify the federal

2568
03:59:15,720 --> 03:59:20,880
funds. So noise is a big one. The thresholds aren't going to be anywhere close to the

2569
03:59:20,880 --> 03:59:27,180
FA standards. They deal with airports. Their standards are based on long-term sound. These

2570
03:59:27,180 --> 03:59:32,820
are very short bursts of sound. You're not going to come anywhere close. They actually

2571
03:59:32,820 --> 03:59:40,660
went above and beyond to study it further than they normally would knowing just trying to show

2572
03:59:40,660 --> 03:59:46,760
more data on it, but they knew it would come, would definitely not exceed those standards.

2573
03:59:46,980 --> 03:59:50,600
So they can't fund and move any further on those sorts of things.

2574
03:59:50,600 --> 03:59:57,860
So if Sitka wants to take that on, we're gonna have to fund that locally and really create this

2575
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:06,860
Those kind of levels that aren't defined in engineering standards, and we're kind of making

2576
04:00:06,860 --> 04:00:13,400
our own path at that point. Okay. Can I help clarify? Also get clarification. We see we're

2577
04:00:13,400 --> 04:00:20,600
going to be using the same channel. I may need a pilot to help me with this, but we have

2578
04:00:20,600 --> 04:00:25,100
restrictions on flight times. Is it daylight alone that determines when planes can fly? Because

2579
04:00:25,100 --> 04:00:29,680
I know how loud they are used to live in a place where I'd hear them taking off.

2580
04:00:30,000 --> 04:00:35,380
And so, what controls are already in place for sea plains?

2581
04:00:35,780 --> 04:00:43,760
So again, those controls are regulated by FAA and they do not have, and

2582
04:00:44,200 --> 04:00:52,120
Kevin can probably speak to this better than I can, but they're not going to regulate that to the degree that we received comments on.

2583
04:00:52,120 --> 04:00:57,560
And they don't have justification to do so in their standards.

2584
04:00:57,960 --> 04:01:01,340
So that's another example of some of the requests we're seeing.

2585
04:01:01,340 --> 04:01:06,500
And I look at it and quite frankly, don't see it going anywhere.

2586
04:01:06,640 --> 04:01:10,940
But it's hard to say that because people want to see it developed and

2587
04:01:10,940 --> 04:01:14,500
talked about and not just said no, we can't do that.

2588
04:01:14,640 --> 04:01:20,720
But I really see those type of regulations very hard to move forward.

2589
04:01:20,720 --> 04:01:27,220
it again it would be something that SICKA would have to step in and somehow

2590
04:01:27,220 --> 04:01:31,580
Ray Uley above and beyond FAA and I don't even know if they would allow us to

2591
04:01:31,580 --> 04:01:37,660
do that so we'll be treading new waters once again on some things like that look

2592
04:01:37,660 --> 04:01:43,000
at Kevin as a pilot to help me on that guys if I can I'm going to break in here

2593
04:01:43,000 --> 04:01:49,120
because we are getting dangerously close to turning into pumpkins and I'm

2594
04:01:49,120 --> 04:01:54,800
wondering if we kind of the will of the body, if you guys want to try and go

2595
04:01:54,800 --> 04:02:00,260
late, we have quite a bit of work left. We probably would be at least an hour, or we

2596
04:02:00,260 --> 04:02:09,620
could pick up tomorrow, same time, same place. So kind of will the body here. What

2597
04:02:09,620 --> 04:02:10,180
do you want to do?

2598
04:02:11,620 --> 04:02:21,440
How about Thursday, that gives Sarah that's fine, can either nights fine.

2599
04:02:21,560 --> 04:02:23,020
We've done it both ways in the past.

2600
04:02:23,560 --> 04:02:23,740
I do.

2601
04:02:23,740 --> 04:02:24,220
That's fine.

2602
04:02:26,910 --> 04:02:31,830
Do we want to complete this one and then I don't know if we can in ten minutes.

2603
04:02:32,430 --> 04:02:34,170
Well, we can extend for 15.

2604
04:02:34,770 --> 04:02:37,610
Yeah, why can't we just extend it for a little bit, just finish this and then we'll get

2605
04:02:37,610 --> 04:02:38,030
to the rest.

2606
04:02:42,720 --> 04:02:47,360
Well, just as a short on the question that you have,

2607
04:02:50,380 --> 04:02:53,600
noise compliance or noise abatements

2608
04:02:53,600 --> 04:03:00,280
are generally voluntary, but they have actually been shown to be very successful in some

2609
04:03:00,280 --> 04:03:10,620
places where noise is of concern having hours of operation or asking pilots to keep

2610
04:03:10,620 --> 04:03:15,480
takeoff power to a certain level, different things like that, that bring noise levels down.

2611
04:03:16,420 --> 04:03:19,220
But they are in general voluntary component.

2612
04:03:19,780 --> 04:03:26,380
I guess that's what I'm looking at is, could we put a couple of markers out there and say you will be at your lowest

2613
04:03:26,380 --> 04:03:33,040
noise producing our hands, whatever, until this point and then you're welcome to take off.

2614
04:03:33,160 --> 04:03:38,960
I mean, there's a way that we could limit where the noise is to some degree probably.

2615
04:03:38,960 --> 04:03:46,380
Yeah, it gets noted in charts and other directories, not so much on the water.

2616
04:03:46,900 --> 04:03:58,400
Okay, and then if we say yes tonight, is there any way to back out later if something comes to light that we can't live with?

2617
04:04:02,780 --> 04:04:13,560
I really encourage that it's important that we make the vote tonight that the intention is to build, and that's really what FA is looking for at this stage.

2618
04:04:13,840 --> 04:04:26,200
If we don't build something, we re-risk needing to return all the funds, and that's not just our match funds, so a lot of money is you go into design here.

2619
04:04:26,200 --> 04:04:33,000
and so we, it's designed that we're committed at this point as been mentioned

2620
04:04:33,000 --> 04:04:38,900
tonight and the process has been very long on this.

2621
04:04:39,440 --> 04:04:41,340
We're pushing 10 plus years.

2622
04:04:41,400 --> 04:04:42,900
It started before my time.

2623
04:04:43,000 --> 04:04:46,900
I've been here 13 years, exhaustive sighting studies.

2624
04:04:46,900 --> 04:04:53,100
I mean, the whole point to where we were at when the assembly made this a top priority,

2625
04:04:53,100 --> 04:04:59,960
The top of initiative for staff to push forward was that the siding was done and the FAA has

2626
04:04:59,960 --> 04:05:07,060
put out a lot of money on that, so they're not going to be interested in continuing for

2627
04:05:07,060 --> 04:05:10,240
SICKA to keep going back and forth on that.

2628
04:05:12,040 --> 04:05:17,860
You know, and they would look at the documents and say, when we were doing siding analysis,

2629
04:05:17,860 --> 04:05:33,820
We got a lot of feedback from the entities that said we don't want it where it currently is, we support the current location, you know, where it is now is right outside the office of the tribe and we got letters saying we support this.

2630
04:05:34,140 --> 04:05:40,980
So it's hard when that money is being made at that time to make those decisions and then it changes.

2631
04:05:40,980 --> 04:05:54,760
And so, they're struggling with sick fury on us right now and we're on a fine line of a very long journey of it's time to make the hard decisions it really is.

2632
04:05:55,560 --> 04:05:56,200
Thank you.

2633
04:05:56,340 --> 04:05:58,920
Can I get a motion to extend for 15 minutes from somebody?

2634
04:05:59,380 --> 04:06:01,900
I move to send the meeting until we complete item K.

2635
04:06:02,540 --> 04:06:03,040
Second.

2636
04:06:06,200 --> 04:06:09,360
Is there a, there's not to be it on this, is there?

2637
04:06:10,480 --> 04:06:15,700
No, there will be, we need a unanimous vote to make that extension.

2638
04:06:16,880 --> 04:06:17,520
What's that?

2639
04:06:17,680 --> 04:06:18,660
We need five or six?

2640
04:06:18,820 --> 04:06:19,740
We need six.

2641
04:06:20,200 --> 04:06:20,280
Okay.

2642
04:06:23,270 --> 04:06:24,190
Ms. Nelson?

2643
04:06:26,150 --> 04:06:26,710
Yes.

2644
04:06:27,610 --> 04:06:28,510
Mr. Moser?

2645
04:06:28,810 --> 04:06:29,210
Yes.

2646
04:06:29,710 --> 04:06:30,530
Ms. Duncan?

2647
04:06:31,050 --> 04:06:31,330
Yes.

2648
04:06:31,730 --> 04:06:32,250
Ms. Hemshoot?

2649
04:06:32,690 --> 04:06:32,810
Yes.

2650
04:06:33,090 --> 04:06:33,790
Mr. Christianson?

2651
04:06:34,030 --> 04:06:34,210
Yes.

2652
04:06:34,510 --> 04:06:34,990
Mr. Knox?

2653
04:06:35,110 --> 04:06:35,270
Yes.

2654
04:06:35,650 --> 04:06:35,770
Okay.

2655
04:06:35,850 --> 04:06:40,430
The motion to extend until the completion of item K passes.

2656
04:06:40,430 --> 04:06:41,150
All

2657
04:06:46,460 --> 04:06:53,820
right. You want to add more? I'm here to help if you need me to add more. I really

2658
04:06:53,820 --> 04:06:58,960
get it's uncomfortable that I'm getting to the point of advocating that I'm trying

2659
04:06:58,960 --> 04:07:06,300
to be the voice of FAA and some of the things that we're hearing. So I really want to be

2660
04:07:06,300 --> 04:07:09,440
a neutral party, but it's got a long history to it.

2661
04:07:11,200 --> 04:07:12,000
So

2662
04:07:15,270 --> 04:07:43,390
I had a couple of questions coming in and then we got so much testimony and that did show up in the emails as well, but it brought me in a new direction so bear with me as I try to translate this into questions for you, but I'm just thinking back to things that came up like historic preservation commission, I do remember there are presentations was it in February, and we talked about like an exhaustive process that's been over years. I'm new to this and so that was

2663
04:09:14,780 --> 04:09:32,780
So in February when it came before Historic Preservation Commission was not for feedback, that was a presentation to basically explain the design, and that was done also a public meeting, was that when the tribe was brought in at that point in time or where are these conversations happening?

2664
04:09:32,780 --> 04:09:43,080
There are many different points of public meetings where the tribe, and it's hard for me to remember them all, where they engaged.

2665
04:09:43,280 --> 04:09:51,820
The most recently they engaged with concern about the process, I think it started with the search letter and

2666
04:09:51,820 --> 04:09:57,360
then was quickly followed up with the tribe in support of search about the process.

2667
04:09:57,360 --> 04:10:11,920
And, you know, me having a longer history and it was a very different engagement from the past, so that was challenging to pivot like that, but we want to be respectful of that.

2668
04:10:12,060 --> 04:10:27,120
So I thought we had some very fruitful initial discussion with the tribe about it and then that continued again with FAA getting more involved in the meetings to make sure they would support a process.

2669
04:10:27,120 --> 04:10:32,600
that would continue to engage with them through design all the way into construction.

2670
04:10:33,200 --> 04:10:43,780
So many different points in which tribe could have engaged in the different public processes.

2671
04:10:43,780 --> 04:10:48,560
And I just don't have those facts for you tonight to nail down each one of those.

2672
04:10:55,030 --> 04:10:58,010
Okay, I'm just going to formulate my thoughts a bit more so.

2673
04:10:58,010 --> 04:11:07,090
If I can, I mean I have been involved with this not since the last time I was on this

2674
04:11:07,090 --> 04:11:14,690
family but the time before that and I was elected the first time over 20 years ago.

2675
04:11:18,290 --> 04:11:24,450
We have had more meetings, I mean I'm sure that we could go through the history but it's

2676
04:11:24,450 --> 04:11:29,630
It's got to be over 20, that we've had this, where we've had plans up, where we've discussed

2677
04:11:30,290 --> 04:11:31,090
various sites.

2678
04:11:34,530 --> 04:11:40,310
We've had, they've been very much open to the public, advertised, plans in the newspaper.

2679
04:11:42,910 --> 04:11:47,890
And I know we've been to the tribe before, multiple times with this, I know we've been to search.

2680
04:11:48,890 --> 04:11:52,410
We have letters of support from both older, of course.

2681
04:11:56,390 --> 04:12:02,370
And essentially, we need to decide if we want to see plain base.

2682
04:12:04,210 --> 04:12:08,910
Because we have been through the war is trying to find a different spot.

2683
04:12:11,270 --> 04:12:16,230
And honestly, if we put the see plain place there, the noise doesn't change from what it is now.

2684
04:12:16,850 --> 04:12:20,550
because it's the same take-off spot, exactly.

2685
04:12:23,450 --> 04:12:26,890
And if we decide, okay, we don't want it here,

2686
04:12:27,030 --> 04:12:28,290
then we're deciding we don't want one.

2687
04:12:28,910 --> 04:12:32,690
And that's unfortunate, but it's literally,

2688
04:12:33,230 --> 04:12:36,410
at least 15 years, but I think it's been more like 20 plus.

2689
04:12:37,090 --> 04:12:41,230
We have been trying to find a solution to this.

2690
04:12:42,990 --> 04:12:46,640
And like anything, it's not perfect.

2691
04:12:46,640 --> 04:12:55,180
But there never is going to be, and so it comes down to this is if we're going to have

2692
04:12:55,180 --> 04:12:56,200
a sea plane base or not.

2693
04:12:56,660 --> 04:13:01,860
If we decide no, then we take the lumps to go with that, but that's the decision we'd

2694
04:13:01,860 --> 04:13:02,320
be making.

2695
04:13:04,140 --> 04:13:05,580
So anyway, Rebecca?

2696
04:13:06,380 --> 04:13:06,740
Yeah.

2697
04:13:06,760 --> 04:13:07,740
I just have one more comment.

2698
04:13:08,220 --> 04:13:09,180
I'm going to support this.

2699
04:13:09,560 --> 04:13:13,400
I mean, it's been a long process, and so I'm going to vote yes on it.

2700
04:13:13,400 --> 04:13:18,540
But I'd like a message to get to the administrator since when we have a long run out process like this,

2701
04:13:18,540 --> 04:13:23,140
if we have a current sitting STA tribal council member who's unaware of the past,

2702
04:13:23,580 --> 04:13:31,240
I think the burdens on us to make sure that we're communicating as a government to government communication

2703
04:13:31,240 --> 04:13:35,560
when things like this come up. Like it's been a long time. Yes, we've talked about it.

2704
04:13:36,380 --> 04:13:40,280
Now it's on our agenda again. Let's proactively reach out

2705
04:13:40,280 --> 04:13:43,660
about what we're doing and the steps we've followed.

2706
04:13:43,880 --> 04:13:46,200
So the similar communication that we get in our packet,

2707
04:13:46,580 --> 04:13:48,100
I would like to see that go to the tribe.

2708
04:13:48,220 --> 04:13:51,560
I don't know if that's too burdensome

2709
04:13:51,560 --> 04:13:59,120
but it feels fair to make sure that we're operating

2710
04:13:59,120 --> 04:14:00,380
as parallel entities.

2711
04:14:00,940 --> 04:14:02,520
So anyway, I'm gonna vote yes on this.

2712
04:14:02,680 --> 04:14:02,880
Thanks.

2713
04:14:09,440 --> 04:14:10,120
Anyone else?

2714
04:14:10,400 --> 04:14:10,520
Kevin?

2715
04:14:11,160 --> 04:14:11,820
I was paying a quick.

2716
04:14:12,480 --> 04:14:16,820
I appreciate everyone's input and kind of like history helps me.

2717
04:14:17,300 --> 04:14:25,220
It appears to me just from listening to everyone that it's just, yeah, I'm going to support

2718
04:14:25,220 --> 04:14:25,500
it.

2719
04:14:25,680 --> 04:14:33,500
It's one of those, what Tor said, it's not perfect by any means, and it's just a difficult

2720
04:14:33,500 --> 04:14:34,280
situation.

2721
04:14:34,520 --> 04:14:38,460
I do think that we need one and I think that from what it sounds like, we're going to

2722
04:14:38,460 --> 04:14:44,640
still continue to be working with the tribe on a development to respect some of the site

2723
04:14:45,240 --> 04:14:49,180
facts. But as far as the sound, I don't know that there's a lot we can do about that.

2724
04:14:50,240 --> 04:14:55,540
So I do think that it's important to do this so we can get one with the money we're getting

2725
04:14:55,540 --> 04:14:56,140
from that layer.

2726
04:15:00,660 --> 04:15:30,300
I know it's been going on forever, but that doesn't mean that it's right to go back on our word with the tribe. And if I remember correctly, when we signed the MOA or MOU, I was mayor or acting mayor, and I signed one of those agreements, and I need assurances that I understand it's not, it's not, it's not going to be right anywhere. Nobody wants it in their backyard. Nobody wants the noise. Nobody wants anything.

2727
04:15:30,300 --> 04:15:36,380
And I'm not saying we don't need one, but I don't feel I can vote yes and go against

2728
04:15:36,380 --> 04:15:37,340
what I feel.

2729
04:15:37,580 --> 04:15:42,600
We've promised to the tribe and I'm sorry I can't support it.

2730
04:15:48,530 --> 04:15:54,350
So I'm going back in time trying to retrace the search letter from February, so this is

2731
04:15:54,350 --> 04:15:55,830
after the presentations occurred.

2732
04:15:56,210 --> 04:16:02,210
And then I'm just trying to think did search reach out because I know they have on other things

2733
04:16:02,210 --> 04:16:07,130
within the community that they felt strongly about so mask mandates. We toppled that tonight.

2734
04:16:07,610 --> 04:16:13,650
They came forward a couple of meetings ago in support of masking in public. And so I'm

2735
04:16:13,650 --> 04:16:19,310
just wondering, the timeline of this, I know that we're rushed because the grant, we submitted

2736
04:16:19,310 --> 04:16:24,910
it and we have to pull it if you don't get the support. So I'm just thinking, am I missing

2737
04:16:24,910 --> 04:16:31,070
something else that came via the tribe saying, we have these concerns, please consider

2738
04:16:31,070 --> 04:16:37,130
this and again it's a long night so I'm like trying to go back in time and

2739
04:16:37,130 --> 04:16:41,730
remember the different outreach that we got including search things for that

2740
04:16:41,730 --> 04:16:46,970
reminder I went back to that email and but when it comes to the tribe did we

2741
04:16:46,970 --> 04:16:52,830
have anything formally come from them yeah we did and then the city had a

2742
04:16:52,830 --> 04:16:58,090
formal response back and then we had a number of meetings after that to go

2743
04:16:58,090 --> 04:17:06,550
through that, and since our response in the meetings, we have not received any indicators

2744
04:17:06,550 --> 04:17:11,570
that, and it's unfortunate, if the case if we are still in a bad spot, that certainly

2745
04:17:11,570 --> 04:17:18,750
isn't the intention. We're thinking we're aligned with the code that Miss Nelson's referencing,

2746
04:17:18,750 --> 04:17:24,710
which I think is important, and if somehow that got off, I think that is very unfortunate,

2747
04:17:24,710 --> 04:17:29,290
And if that's where we're at, and that's not the intention here.

2748
04:17:29,970 --> 04:17:34,690
And there's a staff to staff relationship that happens and

2749
04:17:34,690 --> 04:17:38,370
where it goes from there is always going to be a challenge.

2750
04:17:38,710 --> 04:17:42,870
So if the staff's having these discussions, does that go out?

2751
04:17:43,750 --> 04:17:50,230
In their organization to the council members and how well does that translate?

2752
04:17:50,530 --> 04:17:52,170
There could be some delay in that.

2753
04:17:52,170 --> 04:17:55,430
I just, it's very hard to speak to it at this time

2754
04:17:55,430 --> 04:18:01,030
because I wasn't aware that we weren't in a good place.

2755
04:18:01,190 --> 04:18:03,430
There, I am very aware of that search.

2756
04:18:05,110 --> 04:18:08,190
I don't believe is comfortable with this project,

2757
04:18:08,190 --> 04:18:10,330
and I don't think we ever got there with them.

2758
04:18:13,730 --> 04:18:16,830
Michael, just to be clear, you were saying that

2759
04:18:17,950 --> 04:18:23,950
if we did hold off until after the next tribal meeting,

2760
04:18:24,630 --> 04:18:28,610
and that that would put the project in jeopardy.

2761
04:18:29,050 --> 04:18:38,890
No, I you know what I guess I'm speaking the most concern towards is voting to move forward but

2762
04:18:38,890 --> 04:18:45,790
maybe not meaning it. I think that's the most dangerous path really. I think we'd be better off

2763
04:18:45,790 --> 04:18:56,330
to delay. Yes, we could be risking the 0% match for this phase, but a positive project

2764
04:18:56,330 --> 04:19:01,690
and good relations, I get it. That's all really important. So you can weigh those things

2765
04:19:01,690 --> 04:19:08,830
and those risks and move accordingly, but I'd really caution against the move forward and

2766
04:19:08,830 --> 04:19:27,390
And maybe not, I think we're going to follow through because we've done a lot of that through the history of that is the viewpoint that people have about it, you know, that are trying to fund us and it's just a dangerous place to be and it's time to

2767
04:19:27,390 --> 04:19:33,650
Yeah, when at this stage, and it's really the intent of this stage, the planning's done.

2768
04:19:34,390 --> 04:19:36,910
You're meaning to move forward and build, so.

2769
04:19:38,910 --> 04:19:41,330
When is the next tribal?

2770
04:19:41,450 --> 04:19:41,950
Tomorrow night.

2771
04:19:42,490 --> 04:19:42,910
Tomorrow night.

2772
04:19:43,470 --> 04:19:46,870
It's not on their agenda, though, so I don't know how to discuss it.

2773
04:19:47,870 --> 04:19:52,390
Could it be impossible, do you think, to get it on the agenda for them tomorrow night,

2774
04:19:52,550 --> 04:19:52,790
or no?

2775
04:19:55,700 --> 04:19:58,680
Well, there's a problem over here, we could ask for it.

2776
04:19:59,100 --> 04:20:06,120
So point being, I think we need to make, if we want to go that route, I think we could do that.

2777
04:20:06,800 --> 04:20:09,020
I don't know, do they meet by monthly or monthly?

2778
04:20:11,780 --> 04:20:12,660
I think it's monthly.

2779
04:20:13,120 --> 04:20:13,820
Monthly, okay.

2780
04:20:17,940 --> 04:20:25,880
Because whatever we do with that or not, we need to realize that we have gone so far down looking for other things that this is it.

2781
04:20:25,880 --> 04:20:33,960
is, and I think that we need to make it clear if we do go to the tribe that, okay, we have

2782
04:20:33,960 --> 04:20:38,680
a seed playing base here, or we don't have one. And it's not like we haven't spent 20 years

2783
04:20:38,680 --> 04:20:41,140
trying to find another place we have.

2784
04:20:43,180 --> 04:20:46,660
So, and that's fine if that's the will of the body.

2785
04:20:46,800 --> 04:20:51,700
I don't, again, I don't know if we can tell the to Woody and see if he can bring it up, or

2786
04:20:51,700 --> 04:20:57,620
I think if we can wait another month, if that's too long, Michael, is that too long?

2787
04:20:58,020 --> 04:21:02,560
Well, again, the risk is losing that 0% match.

2788
04:21:02,780 --> 04:21:06,720
I hate being in a force, and I don't want it to be as a force choice.

2789
04:21:06,720 --> 04:21:12,760
But I feel like it's my job to say that is at jeopardy as we delay.

2790
04:21:12,940 --> 04:21:17,400
We just don't know if they're going to fund that program in the next funding cycle.

2791
04:21:17,400 --> 04:21:22,080
and we're right September's the time frame where it's transitioning to the next one.

2792
04:21:22,740 --> 04:21:28,580
Maybe it will still be there and we're fine, but I just can't tell you that at this point.

2793
04:21:30,380 --> 04:21:31,960
So that's the risk.

2794
04:21:34,050 --> 04:21:36,250
B6.25%.

2795
04:21:40,900 --> 04:21:45,780
Well, what's the will about it? Do you guys want someone who want to make a motion to delay?

2796
04:21:46,000 --> 04:21:46,860
Call for the question.

2797
04:21:46,860 --> 04:21:47,940
Okay,

2798
04:21:53,650 --> 04:22:00,110
on the motion to approve resolution 2021-18 on first and final reading, Ms. Hemshoot.

2799
04:22:00,770 --> 04:22:01,150
Yes.

2800
04:22:04,520 --> 04:22:05,280
Sorry.

2801
04:22:07,850 --> 04:22:08,550
I'm sorry.

2802
04:22:09,010 --> 04:22:10,350
Ms. Hemshoot, yes?

2803
04:22:10,790 --> 04:22:11,170
Yes.

2804
04:22:12,990 --> 04:22:13,890
Mr. Knox?

2805
04:22:14,310 --> 04:22:14,490
Yes.

2806
04:22:15,050 --> 04:22:15,650
Ms. Duncan?

2807
04:22:21,890 --> 04:22:22,650
Yes.

2808
04:22:23,410 --> 04:22:24,230
Mr. Moser?

2809
04:22:24,550 --> 04:22:24,990
Yes.

2810
04:22:25,570 --> 04:22:26,210
Ms. Nelson?

2811
04:22:27,090 --> 04:22:27,510
No.

2812
04:22:28,110 --> 04:22:29,070
Mr. Christensen?

2813
04:22:29,910 --> 04:22:30,670
Yes.

2814
04:22:30,670 --> 04:22:32,790
Yes. The motion passes 5-1.

2815
04:22:33,370 --> 04:22:37,670
Okay, so we have five minutes left. Thursday, Wednesday or Thursday?

2816
04:22:37,970 --> 04:22:38,330
Thursday.

2817
04:22:39,390 --> 04:22:39,870
Thursday?

2818
04:22:40,430 --> 04:22:50,190
And then if I can just add a little bit on process, so if you choose to meet on Thursday night, so the appropriate motion would be to, I move to adjourn to that date and time that you choose.

2819
04:22:50,630 --> 04:22:55,150
I was trying to just figure out what people's will was before I asked for a motion.

2820
04:22:55,150 --> 04:23:01,270
I move to move the rest of this meeting to Thursday, the 16th at 6 p.m.

2821
04:23:01,570 --> 04:23:02,050
7?

2822
04:23:02,670 --> 04:23:02,890
Oh.

2823
04:23:03,750 --> 04:23:04,670
7 p.m.

2824
04:23:04,930 --> 04:23:05,870
1,536?

2825
04:23:06,990 --> 04:23:07,630
No, no.

2826
04:23:08,150 --> 04:23:09,110
7 p.m.

2827
04:23:09,310 --> 04:23:09,930
Is that better for you?

2828
04:23:10,430 --> 04:23:11,570
We have three items left.

2829
04:23:11,950 --> 04:23:12,270
I don't care.

2830
04:23:13,730 --> 04:23:14,690
It doesn't have to be.

2831
04:23:14,810 --> 04:23:16,470
That's what the public is used to.

2832
04:23:16,690 --> 04:23:17,110
Assembly meeting.

2833
04:23:17,110 --> 04:23:17,730
6 p.m.

2834
04:23:17,870 --> 04:23:18,050
Okay.

2835
04:23:18,190 --> 04:23:18,790
The 6 p.m.

2836
04:23:20,450 --> 04:23:20,930
Second.

2837
04:23:24,910 --> 04:23:26,850
Is that a debatable motion?

2838
04:23:28,270 --> 04:23:29,770
It is not debatable.

2839
04:23:30,050 --> 04:23:31,010
Okay, let's go.

2840
04:23:31,430 --> 04:23:32,130
Mr. Moser?

2841
04:23:32,590 --> 04:23:33,190
Yes.

2842
04:23:33,930 --> 04:23:34,810
Ms. Nelson?

2843
04:23:36,170 --> 04:23:36,770
Yes.

2844
04:23:37,230 --> 04:23:37,750
Mr. Knox?

2845
04:23:38,110 --> 04:23:38,270
Yes.

2846
04:23:38,690 --> 04:23:39,410
Mr. Christensen?

2847
04:23:39,870 --> 04:23:40,050
Yes.

2848
04:23:40,310 --> 04:23:40,790
Ms. Duncan?

2849
04:23:41,250 --> 04:23:41,430
Yes.

2850
04:23:42,030 --> 04:23:42,690
Ms. Kimschut.

2851
04:23:43,210 --> 04:23:43,350
Yes.

2852
04:23:43,830 --> 04:23:47,550
A.V. Assembly will adjourn at 6 p.m. on Thursday.

2853
04:23:49,350 --> 04:23:53,970
I don't recall, September 16th, to finish the agenda.

2854
04:23:55,230 --> 04:23:55,830
See you on Thursday.