A little background on this property.
In 2007, this these properties were
resied
for a GC general commercial zoning
district with 26,000
retail.
In 2021,
The applicant came before council and
had property resc,000
square feet of commercial and restaurant
space.
The applicant is now requesting to amend
that site plan and zoning conditions
of C21-014
for the development of 45 town homes in
foot drive restaurant
rather than reverting to the original GC
zoning district. Uh staff is
recommending
maintaining the existing mixeduse
additional zoning district rather than
reverting to DC as that would allow over
100 plus uses that would not be
appropriate in this area.
This is the site plan that was approved
in 2021.
There was a four five story multif
family building with a parking deck and
that had 163 units 25 units per acre
and there was 20,49
square ft of commercial and restaurant
space.
I'll go over the proposed site plan
on the left side is 45 town home units
maintain
rear setbacks. There's a side set back
on
setback reduction.
45
simple town homes rather than the rental
multif family that was proposed before
units on the side will be front entry
units facing Oakdale and will be
facing a
green space.
There's underground storm water
detention proposed in that area
along South Drive. There's a full access
drive
and then there's access drive
the sidewalk sidewalk
around the whole properting
the setbacks already approved for the
previous plan.
It's a drive-thru restaurant
5,023
ft.
There's a detached canopy over
storm water detention.
Full access
on South
Oak Road. There will be a 10 landscape
buffer street trees
that are needed. And then to the town
homes, there will be a buffer
right.
All the improvements on South Drive will
be reviewed and approved by GOT
Department of Transportation
and any transportation improvements that
are within the county's jurisdiction
will be approved by the county
land.
There are five variances.
One is to allow reduction
setback
25 to 12 ft. Two is to allow a drive
through restaurant in the zoning
district.
Three is to allow drive through
facilities and queuing lanes be located
between the restaurant and the adjacent
street.
Four is to allow an additional accessory
structure for
camping and five is to allow a garbage
dumpster.
However, it will have a closure and will
be
These are some conceptual elevations of
the town.
And this is elevations for the
restaurant
is Recommending approval of the zoning
amendment to revise the site plan
elevation
zoning district
45
unit acre 53
drive following conditions
conditions
requiring underground utilities
burning of construction debris
They will meet our tree ordinance and
landscape plans.
Special conditions regarding setbacks.
They will have to meet all fire access
requirements,
water sewer
improvements, and storm water
improvements.
Have a foot sidewalk. external
sidewalks.
15. They will have to receive approval
from GTO.
16 shall not be gated.
requires the deceleration lane
deceleration property.
requires any trees in the sight distance
triangles on road.
requires a minimum
parking spaces combined.
Not to require building along the public
sidewalk
building
31
and
education
32 is Max
37 and 38 tie this to the site plan
with the application.
is the variance to allow drive-thru
restaurants.
41 is the variance to allowing lanes and
drive through facilities.
42 is to allow the additional accessory
structure. 43 and 44.
43 is to allow the dumpster
be
44. They will be required to replace any
45. They will have to provide
documentations of conditions of storm
drain systems.
landscape buffer
external boundaries
road
47 any town home elevation visible from
a public rightway shall not utilize
and that's all I'd be happy to answer
any questions
>> all right do we have any questions for
» all right do we have any questions for
Mr.
Okay. Thank you, Joey. Well done. All
right. This time we like to have the
applicant come forward and tell us a
little bit about the application.
Good evening and welcome.
>> Thank you all for the time. My name is
» Thank you all for the time. My name is
Park Lance. I'm with
1810 Trail is my address. Um, so as Joey
mentioned, we are requesting an
amendment to our previously approved
plan to reduce the density from 163
multif family units to 45 units,000
retail
5,000 class.
So we own this property for a number of
years
diligently pursued financing and capital
markets options and equity options to
get the previous
way. Unfortunately
different
markets
allowed us to get this project out of
the ground. We feel like this this
amended plan will allow us to
with a project.
» Any questions for the applicant?
>> Yeah, go ahead.
reserve
people
from the restaurant parking
space.
allow
traffic. I know you might want to
connect them with some sort of foot
access, but is there anything?
>> Right. Right.
» Right. Right.
>> Yeah, we do. And we do have a home
» Yeah, we do. And we do have a home
builder that we have discussed with
them.
We will have
Yeah, I don't think
into a town home.
Just something
both sides.
» Thank you, Jill. Any other questions?
>> All right. Thank you.
» All right. Thank you.
>> All right. This is a public hearing. At
» All right. This is a public hearing. At
this time, we'd like to ask if there's
anyone in attendance that would like to
come forward and speak in favor of or
opposition to this application. We just
ask that you come forward one at a time.
We want to give everybody the
opportunity to have their voice heard.
Um we do ask that you know we keep the
repetitive comments to a um a minimum
but we want to hear your voice. So u if
you would now
come forward.
» Good evening and welcome.
Thank you for allowing me to speak. My
name is Mikey.
I'm a property owner of 500311.
I'm here tonight to oppose the proposed
Chick-fil-A. We all saw the logo. That
was Chick-fil-A.
And um because of the public safety and
neighborhood impact this project would
create for people who are living along.
Um, this proposal would directly affect
approximately 40 long 40 homes along
Oakill Road and nearby streets or homes
that were not designed to sit next to
high intensity, not high density, but
drive-thru use.
First, it's important to recognize this
is not a simple intersection. Oakill
Road and South Cop form a fivepoint
intersection,
which already makes traffic more uh
movement more complex and less
predictable than a standard four-way
intersection.
Fivepoint intersections are uncommon in
Smyrna. Uh and when the city does have
them, they typically require special
attention and careful traffic management
because of their complexity.
Drivers here are already dealing with
multiple turning moves, signal phases,
and sight line challenges.
Couple examples here is as you enter on
South Drive to get to Church Road,
drivers have to make a semicircle
that
on Church Road there's no right on red.
The reason there's no right on
drivers approaching South
Church
um Chick-fil-A is not a typical fast
food restaurant. It's um these locations
are well known generating very high
traffic volumes, especially in the
drive-thru with long lines extending,
idling during peak periods. Um, I think
that's the case for the current site as
well. I mean, that that traffic actually
does back up on South Drive at Highland
Park as it is. Um, and what concerns me
the most is the application includes no
traffic impact studies. Uh, no
drive-through stacking analysis, no peak
hour modeling to show how level of
traffic
function next to a busy fivepoint
intersection.
Um the SH plan shows label Q story
length but uh doesn't show the measured
distance from the intersection curve
radius to the drive through entrance
itself which is I guess I'd look to be
around 125 ft. So as you're entering on
the Oak Road, you have to make an
immediate
entrance.
Um the site plan um so there's no clear
demonstration that a drive traffic will
stay fully on site with cues that won't
spill back towards the intersection.
U for high volume drive-thru immediately
next to a complex intersection. That's a
critical that's critical missing
information there. U when Chick-fil-A
when Chick-fil-A sites get overwhelmed
and many do. We've all been there. We've
all eaten there. The lines do not stay
on the property. They spill into the
nearby streets. at five point at a
fivepoint intersection. This means
sudden stops, block turning movements,
and distracted drivers. Um, for the 40
households along Oakdale Road, this
directly affects their ability to safely
enter and exit their neighborhood.
Oakdale Road is also part of a local
school bus school bus routes. Um, within
the proposed development corridor, there
are three uh school bus stops along all
of Oakdale. seven stops and they all
entered through South Cob onto Oakell
Road.
Um,
so buses on the road in the early
morning and afternoon hours, the same
times as Chick-fil-A experiences heavy
demand. The uh school bus times are
between 6:30 and 8:30 in the morning, in
the afternoon between 2:30 and 4:30.
Um, so navigating a fivepoint
intersection is already challenging
enough for a large bus, adding
unpredictable drive-thru traffic.
increases for bus drivers and the
children. There's no analysis in this
application addressing school bus
operation or state or student safety.
Um to me this is a step backwards but uh
I also want to talk about the noise the
noise the air quality and the quality of
life especially because this proposal
removes protections that were previously
included on their plans um
of a sound wall.
In the old site plan, the sign wall was
a sound wall was included.
On the current plan, there's no sound.
Removing the soundwall allows these
impacts to reach further into Oakdale
Road neighborhoods in the 40 nearby
homes. There's also an issue of air
quality. Stop and go traffic and idling
concentrate exhaust in one location,
including fine particulate pollution
that is extremely harmful for children,
seniors, and people with asthma. These
impacts are daily. They're not
occasional.
Approving um from the planning
standpoint, this may reduce parking, but
there is more intense use that was
previously considered for this site.
Yet, it comes with fewer mitigation uh
mitigation measures and no supporting
studies.
So, this is a moving in the wrong
direction. Approving this with without
solid analysis places the burden on the
neighborhood first and ask questions
later.
And once it's built, these impacts can't
cannot be undone.
So I respectfully ask the board to deny
the application or at least defer it
until there's a clear evidence will not
compromise safety at the fivepoint
intersection disrupt school bus routes
or become a daily nuisance for the 40
homes along road and until protections
like the previously proposed sound wall.
Thank you for your time.
>> Thank you, Mr.
Anybody else?
» Good evening and welcome.
>> Good evening. My name is Glen Parish.
» Good evening. My name is Glen Parish.
I've lived off of Oakdale Road in the
Oakdale Estates subdivision for almost
20 years now. So, I have a ton of
experience with traffic back and so
forth on Oakville Road.
Mike
mentioned briefly how traffic backs up
under normal circumstances, but if
there's a hiccup somewhere on I85 until
you get to the I20 interchange, people
bail out on Atlanta Road, cut through
West Village,
and then come back down Oakdale Road
where I've seen cars back up as far as
25 or 30 in depth. It's impossible to
make a leftand turn onto road under
current circumstances.
Having said that, I'm also concerned
about the impact of the traffic in the
five point intersection. I understand
that Cobb County or G do have approved
any changes to lanes andor traffic
controls.
If that's not the case, then I
apologize, but that's what I believe at
this point in time.
The impact
is a nuisance to all of us and affects
the quality of life for people that have
enjoyed living in a somewhat quiet
community for a number of years which
under these current circumstances if it
is allowed would change the complete
complex city of that area. And I oppose
that and
That is all I have to say at this time
and would sign up afterwards with our
address.
>> Yeah, if you could you state your
» Yeah, if you could you state your
address for the record, please, Mr.
Paris.
>> 2159.
» Thank you very much for that, sir.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> Yes, sir.
» Yes, sir.
>> Anybody else?
» Good evening and welcome.
>> Thank you. Uh I am Amy Schaer and I
» Thank you. Uh I am Amy Schaer and I
reside 2133 Park Avenue.
>> Can Can you say your name again? I'm
» Can Can you say your name again? I'm
sorry.
>> Amy Schaer.
» Amy Schaer.
>> Amy Schaefer. Thank you.
» Amy Schaefer. Thank you.
>> And um not to be the point, but I also
» And um not to be the point, but I also
would like you guys to oppose the um
fast food portion of this development um
for a few reasons, mostly related to the
traffic and the quality of life as a
resident who has to drive up and down
the Oakville corridor to access my home
every day from work. Um the issue that
mostly is that replacing the apartments
with town houses does reduce the density
in theory, but then adding a 5,000 or
5,000 square foot um fast food
restaurant of the magnitude of a
Chick-fil-A does not negate that density
decrease. It actually increases the
amount of traffic that will be accessing
that fivepoint intersection and Oakdale
Road. Um Chick-fil-A is considered a
high volume traffic generator by design.
They design their to bring extra traffic
through and get people through quicker,
which brings more people to the
restaurant. Um, we estimate from
research online, since there hasn't been
a traffic study to support this at this
intersection, that it will be
approximately 2,300 vehicle trips per
day is what is used by the IT land use
code for fast food restaurants of that
size. So, when you add in 23 thou or
2,300 more vehicles in that
intersection, there's not capacity for
that at this point. and it's going to
spill over onto Oakdale. Additionally,
when you're adding in a turn on Oakdale
that doesn't currently exist, you're
going to have two way turning traffic at
an intersection that can't accommodate
the current traffic that's only going
one way and turning onto South K. And
now you're adding an additional turn
that'll be left and right turning
through this backup of Q traffic, which
is also going to cause additional
traffic nightmares, um, traffic
incidents and whatnot. And my
understanding, which may be wrong, but
my understanding is that previously um
Oakdale Road was not allowing commercial
development um to have access on Oakdale
as evidenced by the dentist office and
the surveying offices not having access
on Oakdale to their businesses. They
only can be accessed from South. So for
those reasons, I request that you guys
review this and at the very least do
request a traffic study before you
approve it.
>> Thank you, Miss Schaefer. Um and Joey
» Thank you, Miss Schaefer. Um and Joey
Rusty, y'all correct me if I'm wrong.
Uh, at there will be a traffic study
done for this project. Is that correct?
Is is it am I correct in saying that
» the project will be reviewed by the
jurisdictions that are in charge of the
rightways. So, Cobb County will look at
this.
>> Tot will review it.
» Tot will review it.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> The you can talk to the applicant and
» The you can talk to the applicant and
them for clarification, but I believe
they've already started those initial
conversations and preliminary meetings
with with those jurisdictions to have an
idea of what is needed from an
improvement standpoint before they get
all the way through the process and find
out they do something else.
>> Right. Right. Okay. So to make this
» Right. Right. Okay. So to make this
thing a little bit more complicated, we
have three ent three uh government
involved, right? Um G dot which state
obviously Cobb County and the city of
Smyrna, right? Um so when we get we're
done with the public component part,
we'll ask the applicant to come back and
and speak to it as much as they can at
this point. Um
>> and and just from a clarification
» and and just from a clarification
standpoint,
they will not If this gets approved,
there will not be the issuance of the
development permit until all
jurisdictions are satisfied. So, we will
not issue a permit for development until
we receive approval from
>> Got DOT and we receive approval for from
» Got DOT and we receive approval for from
Cobb County on those portions of
development.
>> Got it. All right. Thank you. And thank
» Got it. All right. Thank you. And thank
you guys for letting me take that to
just try and try and help with there
will be more work done on this plan. Um,
so who's next?
[snorts]
» Good evening and welcome.
I would request the council if you can
put up on screen.
» I don't know if we have that technology
available, but will you do me a favor
and state your name and address for the
record to get started?
>> Absolutely. My name is Deborah Stallman
» Absolutely. My name is Deborah Stallman
Forsman and I live
directly across
site. Um,
>> thank you.
» Yeah. Can we can do Do we have this the
proposed site plan that we can throw up
on the screen?
>> Yeah, it's right in front of me.
It does exhibit more like a satellite
view of it. I don't know how to change
it.
So, I'd like to address a little bit
more of a human element to this that the
site plans don't necessarily
highlight the fact that the residential
area off of Oakdale is single that have
been there for decades, almost a
century. And building on this street
would create where the bus stops are.
Okay. Where the site plan is proposed,
the
drive-thru, which is now a double drive,
will be located approximately 30 to 40
feet, maybe 50 feet away from bus stops
where our children stand. And they stand
there in the morning. the highest
traffic at a Chick-fil-A, double
traffic. And these children may even be
tempted to walk across Oakdale so that
they could get into the Chick-fil-A and
have chicken nuggets. So we are talking
about children from elementary, middle
school, and high school walking across
Oakdale during hightra peak areas as
well as traffic trying to get in and out
of that area while our kids are standing
at their bus stop if they're not trying
to get to.
I'd like to note that that that's not
necessarily being highlighted. I'd like
to make sure that's highlighted.
That is basically
83% of the parcels. So, six out of eight
of the parcels are actually up against
bus stops.
And I believe that this presents a
safety hazard for our children as well
as pedestrians in that area. Like to
note right here that recently the
Silver comet trail was connected to
Oakdale which creates a larger
pedestrian traffic as well as well as
bicyclists. So there are people out
there who are walking that are going to
be interfering or a part of this high
intensity traffic area for a double for
the proposed double drive-thru.
So I do want to note for the council
that this is a plan that I do not
want approved. I do oppose it. And that
is all I have to say about it. Thank
you.
>> Thank you.
» Good evening and welcome.
>> Evening, council.
» Evening, council.
>> All right. For the record, we're we're
» All right. For the record, we're we're
the zoning board. The council is a
completely different group. They they
see me letting you call us counsel. I'll
get in trouble later.
>> Okay. My name is Kate Shaw. You call me
» Okay. My name is Kate Shaw. You call me
the walking wounded if you want. I live
on Lane. I live two homes down from the
proposed site. Um I'd also like to note
that this morning I entered into the
record a legal memo for review. I have
additional comments that I won't bore
you with repeating everything that's in
that legal memo. Um but I do want to
I remain concerned that the planning
commission is being asked to approve a
defective commercial resoning based on
staff variances.
I remain concerned that this is not a
zoning amendment
but rather a functional reasoning
to high intensity commercial use.
I previously shared safety concerns
about the school bus stop which is
directly ent to the order taking portion
of the drive-thru lane.
An assessment of child pedestrian safety
or bus route safety was not addressed in
the planning memo. Despite my concerns,
I believe that evaluation of those
safety facts are required and that the
risk of child pedestrian safety adjacent
to a drive-thru
rest on your shoulders as well.
In referencing the applicant statement
and the staff memo, I'd like to also
look at exhibit B. And in the response
to question one, I'd like to note that
describing these parcels as being
adjacent to commercial town homes and
multif family is a bit of a
mischaracterization.
If you look along these five parcels on
the east,
you look at the bottom of that
triangular piece
where all those trees are 40 homes.
Misty Lane is 20 homes. Oakdale is 20
homes. And if you do the math on these
parcels, you will find that 83% of the
but single family residential.
This project is being characterized as
the South
commercial.
It's a residential.
In question three, the applicant and
staff
comment on reasonable use, making many
comments about market conditions and
economic use.
The city record reflects that recently
proposals were reviewed for a 250 multif
family unit, a three to four living
market conditions are no different for
this site and other recent proposals you
have.
This amendment stems from an economic
preference of the developer only.
Economic preferences do not
constitute reasons to approve
amendments.
Section four,
a burden on streets
may be repetitive to
it may be repetitive to address this
again as I think that some of the other
neighbors have already commented on it.
Um
I would add that uh in the staff memo it
does not say anywhere that it's subject
to Cobb County approval. It also doesn't
mention the Cobb Department of
Education. also doesn't address any of
the bus stops and whether or not um Cobb
County has been contacted. I myself
contacted Georgia and Cob County not
long ago and they had not heard of this
proposal. The developer may have to
in regards to future land use.
This is zone CAC.
medium intensity.
I think no question exists about whether
double drive through Chick-fil-A
constitutes high intensity use. This is
fundamentally incompatible with the 2040
future land use.
Policy number six of CAC states
transition scale and intensity is
expected between the central CAC uses
and surrounding lower intensity
neighborhoods.
No transition exists. We have
no mitigation exists. We have trees 40
ft apart. None of those mit
according to CAC policy number six.
With regards to the memo number six,
both developer and staff claim that this
is actually reduction in density
when I think that it's already been
spoken to that the true metric
is trips per day and traffic intensity.
Respectfully,
kicking the responsibility of safety
studies to other jurisdictions or other
departments.
It allows this project to move forward
and shifts the risk to the children, the
homeowners,
and does not guarantee
the mayor and council do not have the
ability to enforce once it's passed that
the applicant seeks a commercial
drive-thru use. I believe the
appropriate path is a commercial
resoning.
I respectfully request to recommend
denial or at a minimum to send us back
through the proper reasoning process
rather than approving functionally
commercialing
through SAP varian.
>> Thank you so much for your time.
» Thank you so much for your time.
>> Thank you Michelle. Anybody else?
Good evening and welcome.
» My name is Walt Robu. I live at 2150
Oakdale Estates Court.
I've lived here [clears throat] for 20
years
and I can tell you right now when you
try to drive on Oakdale Road
heading towards the light on South Cobb
Drive between 4 and 6:00, you're going
to sit in that lane for four light
changes before you could even reach
where my house is because of the
traffic. And we don't have anything
there now but trees.
You start running people through there
going to Chick-fil-A and believe me,
they're popular. You're going to have a
problem that's going to be out of this
world.
So, you really need to consider that
when you're looking at this. That's the
big problem. And it's been brought up
about the children and the buses. That's
all part of it, too. But not even
counting that. Just trying to get home
at that time.
It's a chore.
So, please don't forget that.
» Thank you, Mr. Robu. Did Did he state
his address? Okay, got it. Anybody else?
Hey, we prefer quality of content over
volume. I promise. Like, you guys have
done a great job. You've been very
civil. We totally appreciate it. We're
all neighbors, right? We're all here
because we want Smyrna to be a better
place and you got a you got a a stake in
that claim, right? So, if that's all the
neighbors that want to speak, I'm going
to call it call the public hearing at
6:46.
As far as the public hearing component
in my meetings, I like to balance it out
as much as possible. Anytime we have a
disparity where the applicant speaks for
two or three minutes and we have, you
know, 15, 20 minutes of public comment,
I want to give them an opportunity to
answer any questions. All right? So, at
this time, I'm going to let the
applicant come back and see if they can
address and allay any of the fears,
concerns uh of of the neighbors.
[snorts]
And if you ever watch one of my
meetings, I don't don't suggest it. I
try to do this every time. So, this is
not something special for the
>> Welcome back.
» Welcome back.
>> Yeah. Thanks again. So, a couple things
But um we have
Joe's comment we have reached out
to channels to make sure.
So that process will take place
but all
distances
that has been addressed. I know there
was a comment
for us
facing commercial site that has
foundh
standpoint. So
I guess the only other thing on the
screening and
Chick-fil-A. I will say that Chick-fil-A
along there.
I'm sure
all comments
I appreciate that, Mr.
» Good evening and welcome.
>> Good evening, Mr. Chairman, members of
» Good evening, Mr. Chairman, members of
the of the commission. My name is David
Kirk. I'm an attorney practicing at the
firm of Ch Pepper Lock 600 Peach Tree
Street [snorts] Northeast in Atlanta
here representing Chick-fil-A. Um I'm
not the technical expert, so if you have
technical questions, we have we have a
bunch of folks here who know a lot more
about that than than I do. Um let me
speak to just a couple of things. Uh
first, you have a great staff. They have
looked at this very carefully. They've
looked at your plan. They find it's
consistent with your plan. They find
that it meets all the criteria for
approval. And I would strongly suggest
that you rely on your staff uh and their
work uh and approve this. Uh second with
regard to the concerns about uh traffic
uh and this being a double drive through
and therefore would have more traffic
and more impact uh on Oakdale Road.
That's actually the exact opposite of
what this is intended to do. The current
uh Chick-fil-A has a single drive-thru
if I'm not mistaken. The operator is
here so he can answer that more detail
if you want.
this design, the proposed site plan that
you have before you tonight effectively
triples that the ability to have
cars on the site. So that will eliminate
likely eliminate the uh any sort of
backup into the site beyond the
drive-thru and certainly onto
neighboring streets.
In addition, there's a new Chick-fil-A
that has recently opened uh on is it
Mapleton Road
in Mapleton, which will
somewhat reduce the demand,
take the pressure off this this
particular site. So, I would
respectfully suggest that this in fact
will
the design will keep traffic on site,
allow for much more efficient use of
Um
there was a mention of landscaping.
Certainly we can work with staff to
enhance the landscaping along road
that would be helpful. They believe it
would be helpful. Uh and as Mr. Martin
pointed out with regard to coordination
with Georgia DOT
Kendra who's our expert here uh has had
those preliminary discussions with them.
If you have specific questions about
that I'm going to have to defer to her
but again the staff has looked at this
very carefully. This is effectively
it's essentially
has the effect of a down going
163
residential units to about a quarter of
that. We're going from 20,000 square
feet of retail and restaurant space to
again about a quarter of that. So I
would respectfully suggest that in fact
reduce the intensity and reduce the
impact properties. Thank you very much.
If you have any questions for the team
again we have whole range of experts
here.
>> Gotcha. Thanks so much for skirt. If
» Gotcha. Thanks so much for skirt. If
anybody else wants to add anything,
feel free.
» Good evening and welcome.
>> Good evening. Thank you all for your
» Good evening. Thank you all for your
time. My name is Kendra Lewis. My
address is 220 East Central Parkway.
[snorts]
Came
to be here tonight. Um, so the only
additional things that I wanted to add
um was that the south co drive entrance
will likely be the primary entrance that
most vehicles will be at least entering
the site. Um and then um as mentioned um
the traffic study was a big point of
concern and there there is at least a
preliminary study that has done so that
was taken into consideration
which included those deceleration lanes
to assist traffic um [clears throat]
as Mr. already mentioned the um the
drive-thru stacking from the existing
store down the street
only.
So this drive is
not only um does it hold more about the
amount um it's from
where you know many of you
and seeing the drive just continue to
wrap around the building and then
prevents
you
in general. So that's also this design
addresses that with an isolated
um
» Thank you so Sure.
Miss Lewis, you mind if get one question
out of you?
One jurisdiction.
Has there been any discussion?
to this
homeowners
proposing more.
Someone trying to
concerns of the homeless
homes.
Not allowing
everybody who wants to go
try to
speak.
» Yeah, that's a great question and um
there's been some minor discuss Of
course I believe would be to have full
access on on both roads. Um and as you
mentioned yes there are multiple
agencies. So um Georgia Department of
Transportation has jurisdiction over
South
um and then Mr. Sts mentioned Oakdale
Roads jurisdiction is a combination of
um city jurisdiction and county
jurisdiction. So once we get past this
initial planning phase um then we would
get into the nittygritty of the civil
engineering plans and I think that's
when more discusser
design
I believe from what I'm hearing you're
proposing right
schools.
finally
take.
» Thank you, Jill. Thank you, Kendra.
All right, we're going to go ahead and
close it off now. That gives about 25
minutes to the public hearing and
another
12 or so um from the for the applicant.
All right. Um at this time, I'd like to
entertain a motion.
I'd like to make a motion to approve
Z25-015
as presented.
>> And motion to approve, Mr. Carter. Do I
» And motion to approve, Mr. Carter. Do I
have a second?
» I second that.
>> I got a second from Ian.
» I got a second from Ian.
[snorts]
Uh, all in favor of the motion, please
vote.
Really? So [snorts] the
the motion is approved three to two. Is
that right?
Earl, did you vote?
Okay, Earl's an A. Jill's an A. So we
have an approval three to two. [snorts]
Sorry, guys. I'm slow counting up here,
especially when I'm having to go back
and forth. Um clearly there's, you know,
some work to be done on this. I do
appreciate you guys um all your patience
and and u professionalism.
We live in a world that's devoid of that
far too often. [snorts] Um the next item
on our agenda is the approval. Is uh Mr.
Phillips or Mr. Howard still here?
» Hold on.
>> Mr. Mayor, can I just reiterate that
» Mr. Mayor, can I just reiterate that
mayor and council meeting is February
16th. That will be a final vote. This is
a recommendation.
>> Yes. The final the final uh vote will be
» Yes. The final the final uh vote will be
uh May 16th. Uh
oh Jesus. February 16, 2026.
[snorts] Um in this chamber. Thank you.
All right. I'd like a motion to approve
the minutes as presented.
We had a motion. Mr. Rice to have a
second.
Second. Uh, and this is going to be a
fun one.
Vote to approve the minutes. You guys
are going to have to abstain.
Abstain. So, we have a motion to approve
402.
That's a vote we've never had before.
All right. Um, as a matter of um, well,
not even there's no procedure associated
with it. Uh, this this application was
in Ward 7. Um recently, [snorts]
um Henriette Estraga, who has served
here, uh for many years, uh fantastic
member of this commission, uh did an
excellent job, uh of studying what we
were working on, visiting the sites.
She's not here tonight because she is
being replaced, but as a public record,
I want to thank her for her time here. U
she did an excellent job and she will be
sorely missed.
Um there is one other thing that I want
to uh well one I want to thank Ian and
Jeff. There are new members. Welcome
tonight. You got your your bath of fire.
Um
not all meetings are this civil and
that's a credit to you guys. Uh so
welcome to the commission and uh thank
you for your service. And then finally
um [snorts]
uh city has had a a rough week. Uh we
mourn the loss of a good friend and a
great steward of our city. Um Eric
Randall, the public works director who
passed away on uh Wednesday. [snorts] Um
he will be sorely missed and thoughts
and prayers to his uh his family. With
that, are there any other comments?
All right, the meeting is called at
7:03.
Jeff's replacement.