1 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,200 The regular meeting of the Soma Planning 2 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:22,320 Commission, February 19th, it is 6 pm. 3 00:01:22,320 --> 00:01:24,799 If I could get a roll call, please. 4 00:01:24,799 --> 00:01:26,070 >> Commissioner Willers 5 00:01:26,070 --> 00:01:26,080 » Commissioner Willers 6 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:26,630 >> here. 7 00:01:26,630 --> 00:01:26,640 » here. 8 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:27,830 >> Commissioner Barnett 9 00:01:27,830 --> 00:01:27,840 » Commissioner Barnett 10 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:28,390 >> here. 11 00:01:28,390 --> 00:01:28,400 » here. 12 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:29,910 >> Commissioner Jenkins 13 00:01:29,910 --> 00:01:29,920 » Commissioner Jenkins 14 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:30,390 >> here. 15 00:01:30,390 --> 00:01:30,400 » here. 16 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:31,590 >> Commissioner Donach 17 00:01:31,590 --> 00:01:31,600 » Commissioner Donach 18 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:32,149 >> here. 19 00:01:32,149 --> 00:01:32,159 » here. 20 00:01:32,159 --> 00:01:33,350 >> Commissioner O'Neal 21 00:01:33,350 --> 00:01:33,360 » Commissioner O'Neal 22 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:34,069 >> here. 23 00:01:34,069 --> 00:01:34,079 » here. 24 00:01:34,079 --> 00:01:35,670 >> Vice Chair Nent 25 00:01:35,670 --> 00:01:35,680 » Vice Chair Nent 26 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,670 >> here. Chair Chair Hyrick 27 00:01:37,670 --> 00:01:37,680 » here. Chair Chair Hyrick 28 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,069 >> here. 29 00:01:40,069 --> 00:01:40,079 » here. 30 00:01:40,079 --> 00:01:43,680 Thank you very much. 31 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,749 >> Do I have a motion to approve tonight's 32 00:01:45,749 --> 00:01:45,759 » Do I have a motion to approve tonight's 33 00:01:45,759 --> 00:01:47,680 agenda? 34 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:48,950 >> Motion to approve. 35 00:01:48,950 --> 00:01:48,960 » Motion to approve. 36 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:50,870 >> Well, 37 00:01:50,870 --> 00:01:50,880 » Well, 38 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:55,360 I would like to uh make a suggestion as 39 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:58,159 to the rearrangement of the agenda. 40 00:01:58,159 --> 00:02:01,270 >> Council or Commissioner Barnett, 41 00:02:01,270 --> 00:02:01,280 » Council or Commissioner Barnett, 42 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:06,149 >> ex Councilman. Um uh given a quick 43 00:02:06,149 --> 00:02:06,159 » ex Councilman. Um uh given a quick 44 00:02:06,159 --> 00:02:09,599 review of the audience here um I suspect 45 00:02:09,599 --> 00:02:11,920 that a significant number of people are 46 00:02:11,920 --> 00:02:15,760 here to discuss the land use element 47 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,400 specifically as it pertains to u the 48 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:22,480 Sebastiani parcels. So um I would like 49 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:26,160 to suggest that we move that discussion 50 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:31,040 up to the top of the list under 5.2 two 51 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:36,800 and um uh as well if the if the 52 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:41,280 commission agrees to actually move 5.2 53 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,440 above 5.1 54 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,080 so that it's the first item under our 55 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:50,229 items for discussion. 56 00:02:50,239 --> 00:02:52,400 » Okay. So is that a motion? 57 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,190 >> If it needs to be a motion I can say 58 00:02:55,190 --> 00:02:55,200 » If it needs to be a motion I can say 59 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,160 yeah that's a motion. If it doesn't have 60 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,720 to be, then I then it isn't a motion. 61 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,200 How's that for How's that for? 62 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,390 >> I'll second the almost motion. 63 00:03:06,390 --> 00:03:06,400 » I'll second the almost motion. 64 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,430 >> Okay. 65 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:10,720 » Can I get a roll call? 66 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:12,070 >> Yes. 67 00:03:12,070 --> 00:03:12,080 » Yes. 68 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:13,430 >> Commissioner Willers? 69 00:03:13,430 --> 00:03:13,440 » Commissioner Willers? 70 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:14,070 >> Yes. 71 00:03:14,070 --> 00:03:14,080 » Yes. 72 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:15,110 >> Commissioner Barnett. 73 00:03:15,110 --> 00:03:15,120 » Commissioner Barnett. 74 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:15,750 >> I. 75 00:03:15,750 --> 00:03:15,760 » I. 76 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:17,670 >> Commissioner Gorman Jenkins. 77 00:03:17,670 --> 00:03:17,680 » Commissioner Gorman Jenkins. 78 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:18,149 >> I. 79 00:03:18,149 --> 00:03:18,159 » I. 80 00:03:18,159 --> 00:03:19,350 >> Commissioner Donbach. 81 00:03:19,350 --> 00:03:19,360 » Commissioner Donbach. 82 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:19,750 >> I. 83 00:03:19,750 --> 00:03:19,760 » I. 84 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:20,790 >> Commissioner O'Neal. 85 00:03:20,790 --> 00:03:20,800 » Commissioner O'Neal. 86 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:21,750 >> Yes. 87 00:03:21,750 --> 00:03:21,760 » Yes. 88 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:23,270 >> Vice Chair Net. I. 89 00:03:23,270 --> 00:03:23,280 » Vice Chair Net. I. 90 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:24,229 >> Chair Hyrick. 91 00:03:24,229 --> 00:03:24,239 » Chair Hyrick. 92 00:03:24,239 --> 00:03:24,630 >> I. 93 00:03:24,630 --> 00:03:24,640 » I. 94 00:03:24,640 --> 00:03:27,990 >> The motion passes unanimously. 95 00:03:27,990 --> 00:03:28,000 » The motion passes unanimously. 96 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:34,390 Okay, thank you. 97 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,680 Is there do we need another motion to 98 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,400 approve the remainder of the agenda? 99 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:44,000 Okay. At this time, we will recite the 100 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,640 pledge of allegiance. Uh, Vice Chair 101 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,000 Nent, if you could lead us in the 102 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:52,070 pledge, please. 103 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,159 » To the flag of the United States of 104 00:03:54,159 --> 00:04:07,509 America to the Republic. 105 00:04:07,519 --> 00:04:12,390 Okay, thank you very much. 106 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,159 At this time, members of the public may 107 00:04:14,159 --> 00:04:16,479 comment on any item not appearing on the 108 00:04:16,479 --> 00:04:18,239 agenda tonight. It's recommended that 109 00:04:18,239 --> 00:04:19,600 members of the public keep their 110 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,320 comments to three minutes or less. For 111 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,160 items appearing on the agenda, the 112 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:25,680 public will be invited to make comments 113 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,680 at the time the item comes up for 114 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:29,600 commission consideration. Upon being 115 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,360 acknowledged by the chair, please step 116 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,120 to the podium, speak into the 117 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,360 microphone, and begin by stating and 118 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,560 spelling your name. 119 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:40,880 At this point, we will move on to the 120 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:45,040 consent calendar of tonight's agenda. 121 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:50,310 >> Oh, I'm sorry. 122 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:51,840 » Please come forward and state your name. 123 00:04:51,840 --> 00:04:53,270 >> Thank you. And thank you for the 124 00:04:53,270 --> 00:04:53,280 » Thank you. And thank you for the 125 00:04:53,280 --> 00:04:54,720 adjustment of the agenda. I get to eat 126 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,040 dinner tonight. 127 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,320 Uh, good evening. My name is Janet Bole. 128 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,600 B is in boy, O Y L E. I am here to 129 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,280 provide comment on the proposed land use 130 00:05:05,280 --> 00:05:07,600 change for the Spastian parcels after 131 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,680 attending the January 132 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:11,909 >> I'm sorry to interrupt you but that item 133 00:05:11,909 --> 00:05:11,919 » I'm sorry to interrupt you but that item 134 00:05:11,919 --> 00:05:14,639 is agendaized for tonight under item 5. 135 00:05:14,639 --> 00:05:15,909 >> Wait till 5.1 136 00:05:15,909 --> 00:05:15,919 » Wait till 5.1 137 00:05:15,919 --> 00:05:17,909 >> exactly. So at at this time members of 138 00:05:17,909 --> 00:05:17,919 » exactly. So at at this time members of 139 00:05:17,919 --> 00:05:19,520 the public can come forward and and 140 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,520 address the commission on items that do 141 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,440 not appear on tonight's agenda. 142 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:24,390 >> Sorry. 143 00:05:24,390 --> 00:05:24,400 » Sorry. 144 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,390 >> Thank you for the clarification. 145 00:05:26,390 --> 00:05:26,400 » Thank you for the clarification. 146 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:27,909 >> I messed up. You messed up. We all 147 00:05:27,909 --> 00:05:27,919 » I messed up. You messed up. We all 148 00:05:27,919 --> 00:05:28,560 messed up. 149 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:29,749 >> I got a little practice. 150 00:05:29,749 --> 00:05:29,759 » I got a little practice. 151 00:05:29,759 --> 00:05:30,070 >> Hi 152 00:05:30,070 --> 00:05:30,080 » Hi 153 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:30,870 >> Mr. Abdily. 154 00:05:30,870 --> 00:05:30,880 » Mr. Abdily. 155 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:32,310 >> JJ Abdil. What's your name? 156 00:05:32,310 --> 00:05:32,320 » JJ Abdil. What's your name? 157 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:37,110 >> JJ Abideli. AB as in boy O D E L Y. Um, 158 00:05:37,110 --> 00:05:37,120 » JJ Abideli. AB as in boy O D E L Y. Um, 159 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,199 so my comments really about the process 160 00:05:39,199 --> 00:05:42,479 and that that you know we're here as I 161 00:05:42,479 --> 00:05:45,039 understand it to talk about land use and 162 00:05:45,039 --> 00:05:47,199 really to create a definition of what 163 00:05:47,199 --> 00:05:50,320 land use means for various zoning and 164 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:51,189 >> so so 165 00:05:51,189 --> 00:05:51,199 » so so 166 00:05:51,199 --> 00:05:52,710 >> but this is this is this is general 167 00:05:52,710 --> 00:05:52,720 » but this is this is this is general 168 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:54,320 because I think what's I would like to 169 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:58,240 say is that the lack of details that are 170 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,560 discussed at this point in the process 171 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,240 is creating a lot of anxiety because 172 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,400 everyone wants details. I think we will 173 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,680 address matters related to the process. 174 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:09,759 Okay. In item 5.2 tonight. Fair enough. 175 00:06:09,759 --> 00:06:10,639 So, 176 00:06:10,639 --> 00:06:13,909 >> so for items completely separate, I'm 177 00:06:13,909 --> 00:06:13,919 » so for items completely separate, I'm 178 00:06:13,919 --> 00:06:15,199 sorry to interrupt and break your train 179 00:06:15,199 --> 00:06:16,080 of thought, but 180 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:16,710 >> no worries. 181 00:06:16,710 --> 00:06:16,720 » no worries. 182 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,029 >> We will we will hear at this point items 183 00:06:19,029 --> 00:06:19,039 » We will we will hear at this point items 184 00:06:19,039 --> 00:06:21,360 that are completely separate from any 185 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,080 any agenda item that that appears on on 186 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,680 tonight's agenda. So, thank you. 187 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:29,590 >> So, are there any additional members of 188 00:06:29,590 --> 00:06:29,600 » So, are there any additional members of 189 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,639 the public? I'll try not to yell at you 190 00:06:32,639 --> 00:06:35,120 or interrupt you. If you have comments 191 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:36,960 tonight or wish to address the 192 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,360 commission on anything relating to 193 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:40,960 matters not appearing on tonight's 194 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,120 agenda. 195 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:44,720 Okay. 196 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,240 Thank you very much. 197 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,479 Okay. At this point, we will move on to 198 00:06:50,479 --> 00:06:53,759 the consent calendar. Are there any 199 00:06:53,759 --> 00:06:57,919 changes or edits to be made to 200 00:06:57,919 --> 00:07:01,840 the minutes in item 3.1, in item 3.2, or 201 00:07:01,840 --> 00:07:04,479 in item 3.3 that any commissioner wishes 202 00:07:04,479 --> 00:07:06,560 to raise? 203 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,629 >> I'll just note that I wasn't present at 204 00:07:08,629 --> 00:07:08,639 » I'll just note that I wasn't present at 205 00:07:08,639 --> 00:07:13,199 the 3.3, so I'll abstain from that vote. 206 00:07:13,199 --> 00:07:15,350 >> Noted. 207 00:07:15,350 --> 00:07:15,360 » Noted. 208 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,670 >> Okay. Is there a motion to approve 209 00:07:17,670 --> 00:07:17,680 » Okay. Is there a motion to approve 210 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:18,800 tonight's consent calendar? 211 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:19,830 >> Move to approve. 212 00:07:19,830 --> 00:07:19,840 » Move to approve. 213 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:20,790 >> Second. 214 00:07:20,790 --> 00:07:20,800 » Second. 215 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,670 >> Roll call, please. Commissioner Willers. 216 00:07:23,670 --> 00:07:23,680 » Roll call, please. Commissioner Willers. 217 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:24,070 >> Yes. 218 00:07:24,070 --> 00:07:24,080 » Yes. 219 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:25,110 >> Commissioner Barnett. 220 00:07:25,110 --> 00:07:25,120 » Commissioner Barnett. 221 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:26,070 >> Hi. 222 00:07:26,070 --> 00:07:26,080 » Hi. 223 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:27,430 >> Commissioner Ogerman Jenkins. 224 00:07:27,430 --> 00:07:27,440 » Commissioner Ogerman Jenkins. 225 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:27,909 >> Hi. 226 00:07:27,909 --> 00:07:27,919 » Hi. 227 00:07:27,919 --> 00:07:29,110 >> Commissioner Donbach. 228 00:07:29,110 --> 00:07:29,120 » Commissioner Donbach. 229 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:29,749 >> Yes. 230 00:07:29,749 --> 00:07:29,759 » Yes. 231 00:07:29,759 --> 00:07:30,790 >> Commissioner O'Neal. 232 00:07:30,790 --> 00:07:30,800 » Commissioner O'Neal. 233 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:32,629 >> Yes. 234 00:07:32,629 --> 00:07:32,639 » Yes. 235 00:07:32,639 --> 00:07:34,150 >> Vice Chair Nent. 236 00:07:34,150 --> 00:07:34,160 » Vice Chair Nent. 237 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:34,710 >> I. 238 00:07:34,710 --> 00:07:34,720 » I. 239 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,150 >> Chair Hyrick. 240 00:07:36,150 --> 00:07:36,160 » Chair Hyrick. 241 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:36,629 >> I. 242 00:07:36,629 --> 00:07:36,639 » I. 243 00:07:36,639 --> 00:07:39,749 >> The motion passes unanimously. 244 00:07:39,749 --> 00:07:39,759 » The motion passes unanimously. 245 00:07:39,759 --> 00:07:42,070 >> Thank you very much. 246 00:07:42,070 --> 00:07:42,080 » Thank you very much. 247 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:43,759 Moving right along to tonight's public 248 00:07:43,759 --> 00:07:48,080 hearing. The first item is item 4.1. 249 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:49,840 discussion, consideration, and possible 250 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:51,520 action to approve a use permit and 251 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,120 design review for the permanent 252 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:57,120 placement of an MRI trailer at 347 253 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:58,400 Andrew Street. 254 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,550 >> Mr. Chairman, I'll be recusing myself 255 00:08:00,550 --> 00:08:00,560 » Mr. Chairman, I'll be recusing myself 256 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,199 from this item since close proximity to 257 00:08:03,199 --> 00:08:04,560 my residence. 258 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:12,390 >> Thank you, Commissioner Oakman. 259 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,479 Are there any commissioners that need to 260 00:08:14,479 --> 00:08:17,440 report any exparte communication with 261 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,720 the applicants in this case? 262 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,599 Okay. Thank you. 263 00:08:23,599 --> 00:08:25,039 And if I could have a staff report, 264 00:08:25,039 --> 00:08:27,280 please. Of course. Good evening, 265 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,039 commissioners. I am Jake Dunn, associate 266 00:08:29,039 --> 00:08:31,039 planner, and I'll be discussing the use 267 00:08:31,039 --> 00:08:32,159 permit and design review for the 268 00:08:32,159 --> 00:08:34,320 permanent MRI trailer at 347 Andrew 269 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,320 Street. So, this item was previously 270 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,120 reviewed um in October of 2025 where 271 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:40,640 some revisions and studies were 272 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,399 suggested and then we'll go over some of 273 00:08:42,399 --> 00:08:44,640 those changes that were made for uh this 274 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,680 project as a whole. So, the trailer is 275 00:08:47,680 --> 00:08:49,040 located on Andrew Street on the north 276 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,040 side of the hospital. The general plan 277 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,279 and land use are dedicated as public and 278 00:08:53,279 --> 00:08:55,680 the property is not within any overlays. 279 00:08:55,680 --> 00:08:57,200 The hospital is located in the central 280 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,120 west planning area and setits on three 281 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,600 and a half acres of land. 282 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:03,680 And the project is proposing dedicating 283 00:09:03,680 --> 00:09:05,680 the MRI trailer as a permanent structure 284 00:09:05,680 --> 00:09:06,959 which was previously approved as 285 00:09:06,959 --> 00:09:09,360 temporary. And the applicant intends to 286 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,200 modify the trailer to match the color of 287 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:12,880 the hospital with the recommendations 288 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,040 that were made at the previous hearing 289 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:18,240 and add sound dampening devices to the 290 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:19,760 existing fence that you can see in that 291 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:21,839 image there which should reduce the 292 00:09:21,839 --> 00:09:23,680 noise level impacts on the neighboring 293 00:09:23,680 --> 00:09:25,839 residences. Uh they'll also be 294 00:09:25,839 --> 00:09:27,440 permanently closing the parking lot at 295 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:29,600 this time uh since we determined that 296 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,080 the additional parking was not necessary 297 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,000 and they will be adding new movable 298 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,200 landscaping to uh help with some visual 299 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,680 buffering and some aesthetic uh 300 00:09:39,680 --> 00:09:41,760 improvements to that parking lot. And 301 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:43,519 then they will still use the parking lot 302 00:09:43,519 --> 00:09:45,200 but only for emergencies and maintenance 303 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,279 on the MRO trailer. 304 00:09:47,279 --> 00:09:49,519 So this site plan shows the northern lot 305 00:09:49,519 --> 00:09:51,600 with the uh trailer dimensions in 306 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,200 related to in relation to the parking 307 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,760 spaces that are currently there. And 308 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,080 then this is the modified site plan 309 00:09:58,080 --> 00:09:59,760 after the discussion at the last hearing 310 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,560 with the landscaping features um in that 311 00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:05,120 parking area. And then there's also the 312 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:06,800 location of the sound dampening device 313 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,240 on that fence line. And then here's some 314 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,560 examples of the landscaping that will be 315 00:10:12,560 --> 00:10:14,480 used for that visual buffer. just kind 316 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,720 of give an idea of um how they'll kind 317 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,440 of hide the trailer 318 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,839 and a noise assessment was also 319 00:10:21,839 --> 00:10:24,160 conducted as requested and the 320 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:25,440 assessment found that the noise levels 321 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,600 produced by the MRI trailer along with 322 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,240 the it was a chiller and some climate 323 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,800 units that uh the noise levels from both 324 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,000 of those ended up exceeding um by about 325 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:40,320 four dB and um affected two of the 326 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,959 residences. And then it found that with 327 00:10:42,959 --> 00:10:44,720 the recommended noise curtain that it 328 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,120 would reduce the levels to below 50 dB, 329 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,920 which would be about 47 for I think both 330 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,350 of the residences. 331 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,519 And so in accordance with the use permit 332 00:10:55,519 --> 00:10:57,600 findings, we found that the uh use is 333 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,839 consistent with the general plan and uh 334 00:10:59,839 --> 00:11:01,920 supports the Sonoma Valley Hospital to 335 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:03,920 respond to community needs. It also 336 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:05,839 found that the MRI trailer is allowed on 337 00:11:05,839 --> 00:11:07,279 public properties and complies with the 338 00:11:07,279 --> 00:11:08,720 standards uh without needing any 339 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,920 variances or exceptions. And then uh we 340 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:16,640 found that the um the MRI trailer would 341 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,640 be would further support their 342 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,320 operations without negatively impacting 343 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:21,920 those surrounding land uses by 344 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,079 increasing the aesthetic value of the 345 00:11:24,079 --> 00:11:27,680 property by improving that lot. 346 00:11:27,680 --> 00:11:30,240 And as part of the design review, um 347 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,240 further findings found that with the 348 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,320 improvements to that parking lot, it's 349 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:35,839 now a little bit more compatible with 350 00:11:35,839 --> 00:11:37,920 the residences surrounding it. Um it 351 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,399 kind of cleans up that that has been 352 00:11:40,399 --> 00:11:43,440 unused and the pro uh the proposal won't 353 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:44,880 negatively impact the public health, 354 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:46,880 safety or welfare now that we know sound 355 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:48,399 dampening devices have been added to 356 00:11:48,399 --> 00:11:49,680 reduce the sound impact to those 357 00:11:49,680 --> 00:11:52,079 residences. 358 00:11:52,079 --> 00:11:53,760 And so staff is recommending approval of 359 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,120 the use permit and design review for the 360 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:56,959 permanent placement of the MRI trailer 361 00:11:56,959 --> 00:11:58,720 and alterations to the parking in 362 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,399 accordance with the SQL section 15303. 363 00:12:02,399 --> 00:12:06,160 Oh, sorry, that's yeah, 15303 and 15311. 364 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:07,600 So staff's available for any questions 365 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,600 and the applicant is also available to 366 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,440 ask uh to answer any questions as well. 367 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:14,629 >> Great. Thank you very much. Are there 368 00:12:14,629 --> 00:12:14,639 » Great. Thank you very much. Are there 369 00:12:14,639 --> 00:12:17,200 any questions from Commissioner Barnett? 370 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:17,920 Question. 371 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:19,430 >> Um 372 00:12:19,430 --> 00:12:19,440 » Um 373 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:23,360 I understand that the no noise abatement 374 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,760 uh efforts that have been made have 375 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:27,839 brought it down to a threshold that's 376 00:12:27,839 --> 00:12:32,320 acceptable. Um my question is is the 377 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,720 operation of this and the noise 378 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,839 attenuation something that's only going 379 00:12:37,839 --> 00:12:41,920 to be um present during 380 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:45,120 portions of the day or is this a 24-hour 381 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,360 noise producer? 382 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,590 >> I believe the applicant uh would be 383 00:12:49,590 --> 00:12:49,600 » I believe the applicant uh would be 384 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:55,829 prepared to speak on that. 385 00:12:55,839 --> 00:12:57,440 » Good evening, commissioners. Uh my name 386 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,079 is Brian B R Yan. 387 00:13:00,079 --> 00:13:04,000 Uh and this is Ryan Es with me. R Y Y an 388 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,160 um so to answer your question, the noise 389 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,680 abatement is a permanent exterior grade 390 00:13:09,680 --> 00:13:11,760 blanket which be installed on the fence 391 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,160 and would be there for the rest of time. 392 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,590 >> That's not my question. My question is 393 00:13:17,590 --> 00:13:17,600 » That's not my question. My question is 394 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:22,000 um is is the unit that's producing the 395 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,040 noise the MRI trailer and the equipment 396 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,680 inside is that only producing the noise 397 00:13:27,680 --> 00:13:29,920 when it's in operation or is there a 398 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:31,920 period of the day where it is not in 399 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:33,760 operation and therefore producing no 400 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:34,560 noise? 401 00:13:34,560 --> 00:13:37,430 >> Yes, that's correct. Um so the two units 402 00:13:37,430 --> 00:13:37,440 » Yes, that's correct. Um so the two units 403 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,240 provide cooling for the actual MRI 404 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,320 equipment. Yes. And there's a BART unit 405 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,480 on the wall which provides um air 406 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,000 conditioning for the occupants within 407 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:46,639 the trailer. 408 00:13:46,639 --> 00:13:46,949 >> Yes. 409 00:13:46,949 --> 00:13:46,959 » Yes. 410 00:13:46,959 --> 00:13:48,389 >> But that trailer is only in operation 411 00:13:48,389 --> 00:13:48,399 » But that trailer is only in operation 412 00:13:48,399 --> 00:13:51,040 during regular day hours. So after hours 413 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:52,800 it doesn't operate. 414 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:54,310 >> Neither the chillers or the air 415 00:13:54,310 --> 00:13:54,320 » Neither the chillers or the air 416 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:54,880 conditioner. 417 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:55,430 >> Correct. 418 00:13:55,430 --> 00:13:55,440 » Correct. 419 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,670 >> Thank you. 420 00:13:57,670 --> 00:13:57,680 » Thank you. 421 00:13:57,680 --> 00:13:59,269 >> Do any other members of the commission 422 00:13:59,269 --> 00:13:59,279 » Do any other members of the commission 423 00:13:59,279 --> 00:14:00,959 have questions for the applicant now 424 00:14:00,959 --> 00:14:02,480 that they are at the podium or for 425 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,199 staff? 426 00:14:05,199 --> 00:14:06,629 >> I have a quick question. How long has 427 00:14:06,629 --> 00:14:06,639 » I have a quick question. How long has 428 00:14:06,639 --> 00:14:08,320 that trailer been in operation there 429 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,560 with the HVAC equipment that it 430 00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:11,760 currently has? 431 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:13,509 >> Uh, approximately two years. 432 00:14:13,509 --> 00:14:13,519 » Uh, approximately two years. 433 00:14:13,519 --> 00:14:15,509 >> Okay. Yeah, thank you. That's my only 434 00:14:15,509 --> 00:14:15,519 » Okay. Yeah, thank you. That's my only 435 00:14:15,519 --> 00:14:18,240 question. 436 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,240 Any other questions of the applicant 437 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,959 while they stand there? Okay. Thank you 438 00:14:22,959 --> 00:14:25,120 very much. Are there any members of the 439 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,480 public that wish to comment on 440 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:32,230 this agenda item? 441 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:33,760 Okay. 442 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,160 bring it back to the commission for 443 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:40,069 discussion. 444 00:14:40,079 --> 00:14:42,800 It sure if you'd like to come up to the 445 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,920 podium and uh address make got to 446 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,480 address the commission but um happy to 447 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:49,440 hear what you have to say. 448 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,590 >> Hi, my name is Kim Belch. Um I'm just 449 00:14:51,590 --> 00:14:51,600 » Hi, my name is Kim Belch. Um I'm just 450 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,399 wondering how many MRIs approximately a 451 00:14:54,399 --> 00:14:56,720 day. So how long would the sound be 452 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:58,480 stopping starting stopping starting 453 00:14:58,480 --> 00:14:59,760 throughout the hours that it would be 454 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:01,760 working? 455 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:03,189 >> Okay, thank you. Thank you for the 456 00:15:03,189 --> 00:15:03,199 » Okay, thank you. Thank you for the 457 00:15:03,199 --> 00:15:05,920 question. Uh if the applicant is 458 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:07,360 willing, they they're welcome to come 459 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,160 forward and um address that question if 460 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,560 you did you hear the question? 461 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:13,509 >> Okay. 462 00:15:13,509 --> 00:15:13,519 » Okay. 463 00:15:13,519 --> 00:15:15,990 >> I heard the question is how many MRIs 464 00:15:15,990 --> 00:15:16,000 » I heard the question is how many MRIs 465 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,800 per day? It's 10 to 11. 466 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:23,030 >> Okay, great. Thank you. 467 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:24,560 » Okay. Are there any other members of the 468 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,320 public wishing to comment on this agenda 469 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,000 item? 470 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,519 Great. I'll close public comment and 471 00:15:29,519 --> 00:15:30,720 bring it back to the commission for 472 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,639 commission comments and analysis. 473 00:15:34,639 --> 00:15:36,069 >> Yes, Commissioner Dbach. 474 00:15:36,069 --> 00:15:36,079 » Yes, Commissioner Dbach. 475 00:15:36,079 --> 00:15:37,990 >> Um I just uh want to comment that I 476 00:15:37,990 --> 00:15:38,000 » Um I just uh want to comment that I 477 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,560 appreciate uh the applicant working with 478 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,440 the staff um with regard to the 479 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,240 improvements that we requested. Um and 480 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,839 based on what has been uh achieved, I'm 481 00:15:49,839 --> 00:15:51,759 I'm comfortable proving this. 482 00:15:51,759 --> 00:15:55,189 >> Great. Any other commissioner comments? 483 00:15:55,189 --> 00:15:55,199 » Great. Any other commissioner comments? 484 00:15:55,199 --> 00:15:57,040 Commissioner Bernett? 485 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,519 Well, perhaps it's a function of getting 486 00:15:59,519 --> 00:16:04,000 older, but I'm sorry to see our world 487 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,240 becoming so noisy. 488 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,680 And um uh I hope that at some point in 489 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,720 the future um 490 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,519 in some future generations expansion of 491 00:16:15,519 --> 00:16:17,440 this hospital 492 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,680 uh if it continues to succeed which I 493 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:23,040 sincerely hope it does that uh functions 494 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,079 like this are entirely enclosed within 495 00:16:26,079 --> 00:16:29,680 the building and the need for noise 496 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,399 attenuation and or the other things 497 00:16:32,399 --> 00:16:36,000 necessary to to prevent 498 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:37,680 the 499 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:39,839 I'll use the word degradation of 500 00:16:39,839 --> 00:16:42,800 ordinary everyday life because of the 501 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:46,560 increase in sound um ambient sound 502 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:53,040 mechanical ambient sound um uh can be uh 503 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,360 ameliorated and changed in the future. I 504 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,480 just uh uh I'm finding the world to be 505 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,040 an increasingly noisy place and I don't 506 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,440 find it pleasant. 507 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,679 But that said, I appreciate the efforts 508 00:17:05,679 --> 00:17:07,600 that's being made on this and I 509 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,240 certainly will approve the application. 510 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,390 >> Thank you. Any other commission 511 00:17:12,390 --> 00:17:12,400 » Thank you. Any other commission 512 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,240 comments? 513 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,270 >> I'd like to make a motion to approve. 514 00:17:17,270 --> 00:17:17,280 » I'd like to make a motion to approve. 515 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,510 >> Second. 516 00:17:19,510 --> 00:17:19,520 » Second. 517 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,990 >> All right. Roll call, please. 518 00:17:21,990 --> 00:17:22,000 » All right. Roll call, please. 519 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:23,189 >> Commissioner Willers, 520 00:17:23,189 --> 00:17:23,199 » Commissioner Willers, 521 00:17:23,199 --> 00:17:23,669 >> yes. 522 00:17:23,669 --> 00:17:23,679 » yes. 523 00:17:23,679 --> 00:17:24,710 >> Commissioner Barnett, 524 00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:24,720 » Commissioner Barnett, 525 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:25,510 >> I. 526 00:17:25,510 --> 00:17:25,520 » I. 527 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:26,710 >> Commissioner Dbach, 528 00:17:26,710 --> 00:17:26,720 » Commissioner Dbach, 529 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:27,189 >> yes. 530 00:17:27,189 --> 00:17:27,199 » yes. 531 00:17:27,199 --> 00:17:28,150 >> Commissioner O'Neal, 532 00:17:28,150 --> 00:17:28,160 » Commissioner O'Neal, 533 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:28,630 >> yes. 534 00:17:28,630 --> 00:17:28,640 » yes. 535 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:30,070 >> Vice Chair Nent, 536 00:17:30,070 --> 00:17:30,080 » Vice Chair Nent, 537 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:30,630 >> I. 538 00:17:30,630 --> 00:17:30,640 » I. 539 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:31,669 >> Chair Hyrick, 540 00:17:31,669 --> 00:17:31,679 » Chair Hyrick, 541 00:17:31,679 --> 00:17:36,549 >> I. The motion passes 6001. 542 00:17:36,559 --> 00:17:38,559 » Excellent. 543 00:17:38,559 --> 00:17:43,270 Moving on to item 4.2. 544 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,039 I'll give Commissioner Aorman just a 545 00:17:45,039 --> 00:18:01,110 second to walk back here. 546 00:18:01,120 --> 00:18:04,400 All right, we'll continue now with item 547 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,400 4.2 of tonight's public hearing 548 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,960 discussion, consideration and possible 549 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,679 action to approve a signed permit for 550 00:18:11,679 --> 00:18:14,160 two uh new illuminated signs on a 551 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,360 residential property at 383 First Street 552 00:18:17,360 --> 00:18:19,039 West. 553 00:18:19,039 --> 00:18:20,640 Is there a staff report? 554 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,350 >> Absolutely. So, this is for a sign 555 00:18:23,350 --> 00:18:23,360 » Absolutely. So, this is for a sign 556 00:18:23,360 --> 00:18:25,840 permit for two new eliminated wall signs 557 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:31,039 um for a uh non-conforming wine tasting 558 00:18:31,039 --> 00:18:32,880 facility that has been grandfathered and 559 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,039 improved with the zoning clearance. Uh 560 00:18:35,039 --> 00:18:36,559 the property is located in the downtown 561 00:18:36,559 --> 00:18:38,160 district and is zone medium red 562 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,240 residential medium density. The use of 563 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,760 the site um was determined as 564 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:45,760 grandfathered and was approved for the 565 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,000 zoning clearance back in a April of 566 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:52,000 2025. The property is 5,473 square feet 567 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,440 and surrounded by commercial and 568 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,080 residentially zoned properties. The 569 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,160 project proposes one illuminated wall 570 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,080 sign to advertise the business name 571 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,200 which includes a halo lit backing above 572 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,200 that front window. And it also proposes 573 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,360 one externally illuminated logo sign 574 00:19:07,360 --> 00:19:10,080 next to the front entryway. 575 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,080 The flat vineyard sign will be a total 576 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,200 of 6.25 square ft and the logo sign will 577 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,600 be four square feet. The business name 578 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,600 and logo are proposed in satin black 579 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:21,919 with the aluminum faces colored perfect 580 00:19:21,919 --> 00:19:24,480 khaki and slumber uh slumber sloth to 581 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:25,919 match the color of the current 582 00:19:25,919 --> 00:19:27,600 structure. 583 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,240 And then this gives you an idea of the 584 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,679 um street view looking down the um down 585 00:19:33,679 --> 00:19:35,919 this roadway. So there was a comment 586 00:19:35,919 --> 00:19:41,039 from the public uh in concern to um 587 00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:43,440 how the entry to this street looks in 588 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,720 regard to the residences and um the use 589 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,880 of these residential sites as commercial 590 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,520 businesses. Um so I put this site photo 591 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,080 here to show uh there's three wineries 592 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,720 here. One is the Hawk Winery on the left 593 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,280 that you see was the previous winery 594 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,280 wine tasting facility which is now going 595 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,919 to be um Plat Vineyard. And then there's 596 00:20:03,919 --> 00:20:06,160 Walts on the right and there's I believe 597 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,080 it's atrium on the left. You can't 598 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:09,600 really see the signage there, but this 599 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,880 is to kind of give you an idea of that. 600 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,720 So, the property has f uh 53.25 ft of 601 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:18,400 frontage on First Street West. So, an 602 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,360 aggregate of 27.3 square feet is allowed 603 00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:24,160 um for signage. An additional 13 square 604 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:25,679 feet is allowed due to the distance 605 00:20:25,679 --> 00:20:27,919 between the center of the road line and 606 00:20:27,919 --> 00:20:30,240 the front of the u the building. The 607 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:31,760 total area of the proposed signage is 608 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,640 10.25 25 ft and the proposed eliminated 609 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,799 wall sign is not going to exceed the 27 610 00:20:36,799 --> 00:20:39,600 ft maximum. 611 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,520 So in accordance with the sign permit 612 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,159 findings, we found that the proposed use 613 00:20:44,159 --> 00:20:45,679 is consistent with the general plan by 614 00:20:45,679 --> 00:20:47,840 providing uh ground flooror retail use 615 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,919 on a small lot without imposing 616 00:20:49,919 --> 00:20:53,200 stylistic restrictions. uh the proposed 617 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:54,799 signage is consistent with the intent of 618 00:20:54,799 --> 00:20:56,720 the code and it doesn't negatively 619 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,559 impact the surrounding character and 620 00:20:58,559 --> 00:21:00,880 matches the look of the current 621 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,360 structure without causing a max like a 622 00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:06,240 large visual impairment. Um the signage 623 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:07,840 is consistent with the signage in 624 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:09,919 surrounding area. Uh it has small 625 00:21:09,919 --> 00:21:13,760 lettering and uh colors that are also 626 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,000 matching the structure as it is. And the 627 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:17,600 signage is limited to a small portion of 628 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,480 the structure and isn't um isn't going 629 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:24,320 to impact for character and it intends 630 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:25,919 to preserve the quality of the property 631 00:21:25,919 --> 00:21:28,640 as a whole. So staff recommends planning 632 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:29,919 commission approval of the sign permit 633 00:21:29,919 --> 00:21:33,200 to install the two new wall signs um and 634 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,039 sorry two new illuminated wall signs at 635 00:21:35,039 --> 00:21:40,240 383 First Street West and um 636 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:41,760 staff is available for any questions. I 637 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,679 I'm not sure if the applicant is here. 638 00:21:43,679 --> 00:21:46,000 So if they are they may you may ask them 639 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:47,840 as well. 640 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,470 >> Great. Thank you for your presentation, 641 00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:50,480 » Great. Thank you for your presentation, 642 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,039 associate planner done. Are there any 643 00:21:53,039 --> 00:21:54,799 members of the commission that wish to 644 00:21:54,799 --> 00:21:58,559 ask staff questions of staff? I saw 645 00:21:58,559 --> 00:21:59,679 Commissioner Donbox. 646 00:21:59,679 --> 00:22:02,149 >> You know, I always have a question. Um 647 00:22:02,149 --> 00:22:02,159 » You know, I always have a question. Um 648 00:22:02,159 --> 00:22:06,000 uh my question pertains um to when the 649 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,720 applicant plans to illuminate and or not 650 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,159 illuminate. Um so I know that there's uh 651 00:22:12,159 --> 00:22:15,520 permitting allowing to 11 p.m. Most wine 652 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,840 tasting rooms don't go that late. So, do 653 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,440 we have any idea of whether the 654 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,000 illuminated signs will be turned off in 655 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,120 the evening versus left on? 656 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:27,430 >> That I don't know for sure. Um, but it 657 00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:27,440 » That I don't know for sure. Um, but it 658 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,600 is up to your discretion to set a 659 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,840 standard for when the eliminated sign 660 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,120 should be turned off or if it should be 661 00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:35,200 dimmed at any point um as part of the 662 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,520 lighting standard in the ordinance um 663 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:38,799 which is part of the conditions 664 00:22:38,799 --> 00:22:41,039 approval. We can also add additional 665 00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:43,039 conditions for a timing. 666 00:22:43,039 --> 00:22:45,669 >> Okay. Thank you. Can I just ask if 667 00:22:45,669 --> 00:22:45,679 » Okay. Thank you. Can I just ask if 668 00:22:45,679 --> 00:22:48,080 anyone if the applicant's present 669 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,080 tonight or an agent of the applicant is 670 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,039 present? 671 00:22:53,039 --> 00:22:55,430 >> Would you like to come up and uh address 672 00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:55,440 » Would you like to come up and uh address 673 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,720 the commission or you don't have to? 674 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,110 >> I can. Uh Chris Shriner with Plat 675 00:23:01,110 --> 00:23:01,120 » I can. Uh Chris Shriner with Plat 676 00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:04,880 Vineyards. Uh our signed vendor that put 677 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,039 everything together was going to be 678 00:23:07,039 --> 00:23:08,799 here. 679 00:23:08,799 --> 00:23:11,760 They took care of more of this. Um, I I 680 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,120 I can't really uh answer the question 681 00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:17,760 directly, but I can say uh we're willing 682 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,080 to to follow whatever rules you deem 683 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,600 appropriate for the neighborhood. 684 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,029 >> Uh, our hours are till 6 PM presently. 685 00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:27,039 » Uh, our hours are till 6 PM presently. 686 00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:28,230 >> Okay. Thank you. 687 00:23:28,230 --> 00:23:28,240 » Okay. Thank you. 688 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,029 >> Great. Thank you very much. Or are there 689 00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:31,039 » Great. Thank you very much. Or are there 690 00:23:31,039 --> 00:23:32,480 any other questions from the commission 691 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,000 of staff or of the applicant? 692 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,710 >> Yes. Vice Chair, 693 00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:36,720 » Yes. Vice Chair, 694 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,190 >> Jacob, could you go back to the previous 695 00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:39,200 » Jacob, could you go back to the previous 696 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,600 slide? It really flashed by me quickly. 697 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,760 That next one, 698 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,750 >> I mean, 699 00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:45,760 » I mean, 700 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:46,630 >> go forward. 701 00:23:46,630 --> 00:23:46,640 » go forward. 702 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:47,750 >> Forward one. 703 00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:47,760 » Forward one. 704 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,549 >> So, I'm um we talked about the size of 705 00:23:50,549 --> 00:23:50,559 » So, I'm um we talked about the size of 706 00:23:50,559 --> 00:23:55,430 the sign. Um 707 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,080 I just have I just wanted to read this. 708 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,039 Um so, the illumination is it's in 709 00:24:01,039 --> 00:24:02,640 compliance 710 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,679 and we really need to determine. Um, 711 00:24:05,679 --> 00:24:06,960 what I'm hearing is that they're in 712 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,400 business till 6 PM. Um, 713 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,840 is there a reason why we would would it 714 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,440 be necessary to extend it beyond um, 715 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,080 business hours? And are there other 716 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,240 illuminated signs 717 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,919 uh, in and around this area for other 718 00:24:25,919 --> 00:24:29,600 retail businesses or wine tasting rooms? 719 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,440 So, in regard to the wine tasting rooms 720 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,120 that are directly surrounding it, they 721 00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:35,440 do not have illumination on those signs. 722 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,760 Um, I believe I keep forgetting the name 723 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,360 of it, but I believe it's atrium. The 724 00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:41,760 one next door, it has a up lighting on 725 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:42,240 our tour. 726 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,630 >> Artur, that's what it's called. Um, 727 00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:44,640 » Artur, that's what it's called. Um, 728 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,039 there is an up there's an up light on a 729 00:24:47,039 --> 00:24:48,480 tree and that's what they have there. I 730 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:49,840 don't know that they turned it on, but 731 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,120 that's the only lighting I was able to 732 00:24:51,120 --> 00:24:54,320 see when I went by. Um, other than that, 733 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,039 there has been approval of lighting uh 734 00:24:57,039 --> 00:25:00,559 sign lit lit signs in the plaza. So, 735 00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:02,080 that's the only other thing I'd have as 736 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,640 a comparison. 737 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:05,190 >> Thank you. 738 00:25:05,190 --> 00:25:05,200 » Thank you. 739 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,269 >> Any other questions of staff or the 740 00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:07,279 » Any other questions of staff or the 741 00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:09,840 applicant? 742 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,679 Okay. 743 00:25:11,679 --> 00:25:15,039 At this time, I would ask commissioners 744 00:25:15,039 --> 00:25:16,960 to disclose any experte communications 745 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,960 they've had with interested parties to 746 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,159 this agenda item. 747 00:25:22,159 --> 00:25:24,240 I have spoken with one of the neighbors, 748 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,520 Jim Bohar. 749 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:26,870 >> Okay. Thank you. 750 00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:26,880 » Okay. Thank you. 751 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,110 >> I have spoken with a neighbor. 752 00:25:29,110 --> 00:25:29,120 » I have spoken with a neighbor. 753 00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:35,990 >> Thank you. Anybody else? All right. 754 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,520 Um, 755 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:38,799 Mr. Applicant, would you like to come up 756 00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:40,640 and address the commission further or 757 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,200 are you satisfied? 758 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,679 Okay. Thank you. Uh, at this time, I 759 00:25:45,679 --> 00:25:47,200 will open up this item for public 760 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,279 comment. 761 00:25:49,279 --> 00:25:50,640 Please come forward. State your name. 762 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:50,880 Mr. 763 00:25:50,880 --> 00:26:24,390 >> Bohar. 764 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,159 Jim, I hate to interrupt. Would you 765 00:26:26,159 --> 00:26:27,760 would you mind just speaking into the 766 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,480 microphone? I'm sorry. That way it's 767 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:31,830 >> spoken into the record. 768 00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:31,840 » spoken into the record. 769 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:32,470 >> I understand. 770 00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:32,480 » I understand. 771 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:38,549 >> Thank you very much. Got it. Um, 772 00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:40,480 my understanding is the general plan and 773 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,679 code discourages non-conforming uses and 774 00:26:43,679 --> 00:26:45,919 will not allow commercial uses within or 775 00:26:45,919 --> 00:26:48,559 abuing residential areas that changes 776 00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:50,400 the historic nature or character of the 777 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,480 residential neighborhood context or 778 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,320 other impacts of that nature. Um 779 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,200 this is a not on a is not a sign on a 780 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,360 residential property as it indicates in 781 00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:04,799 the first paragraph. It in fact is is on 782 00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:06,799 a structure which is a non-conforming 783 00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:09,919 use a wine tasting facility and the 784 00:27:09,919 --> 00:27:12,159 reason it's non legal non-conforming is 785 00:27:12,159 --> 00:27:13,919 that there are certain limitations on 786 00:27:13,919 --> 00:27:17,679 that use in terms of time and intensity. 787 00:27:17,679 --> 00:27:21,669 Um 788 00:27:21,679 --> 00:27:23,840 the description of it is overridden by 789 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,960 the fact that um it has limitations on 790 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:32,230 it. And 791 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,120 the U applicant states that the reason 792 00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:37,600 for the illuminated signs is to increase 793 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,200 foot traffic. Um 794 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,760 this is the only wine tasting room that 795 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,520 would have an illuminated sign as far as 796 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,480 I can see. and having uh an 797 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,000 encouragement of foot traffic sounds 798 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,320 like an intensity of of use over what we 799 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,720 have right now. the only um 800 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,000 the the uh city discourages 801 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,880 uh lit signs on the plaza and the only 802 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,960 wine tasting facility that I understand 803 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,559 is that uh something or other suppressor 804 00:28:08,559 --> 00:28:11,360 on the u on the east side and there's 805 00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:12,720 some question about whether that's going 806 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:18,549 to remain there. 807 00:28:18,559 --> 00:28:20,720 Neither of the two tasting rooms have 808 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,919 illumination that was uh talked about 809 00:28:23,919 --> 00:28:25,919 under the community development element. 810 00:28:25,919 --> 00:28:28,399 It says it's to coordinate development 811 00:28:28,399 --> 00:28:30,159 on small lots. There's no development 812 00:28:30,159 --> 00:28:31,919 here to coordinate. It's finished. It's 813 00:28:31,919 --> 00:28:34,480 been done years ago. Preserving the 814 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,320 heritage of the community. It violates 815 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:37,679 the heritage of the community as far as 816 00:28:37,679 --> 00:28:40,000 the neighbors are concerned. 817 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,350 Um 818 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,440 accessory structures allows on 819 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,840 premisage. This is not an accessory 820 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,240 structure. It is the main structure on 821 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:56,549 the site, the subject of the site. 822 00:28:56,559 --> 00:29:01,350 Our 823 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:02,960 position is and the neighbor's position 824 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,919 is that it violates the uh general plan 825 00:29:05,919 --> 00:29:08,640 and code in the sense that having 826 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,320 commercial uses abudding uh residential 827 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,399 is is not allowed and also one that 828 00:29:14,399 --> 00:29:18,000 affects the historic value or the uh uh 829 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,720 continuity of it is is May I have about 830 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,200 20 seconds left? 831 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,669 >> Yes, another 20 seconds. I respectfully 832 00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:25,679 » Yes, another 20 seconds. I respectfully 833 00:29:25,679 --> 00:29:27,520 request that the commission reject this 834 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,000 application, direct the applicant to 835 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,760 return the front yard to residential 836 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,080 garden, install no signs on the actual 837 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,440 building, except modest in ground signs 838 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,000 and no elimination. Thank you. 839 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,950 >> Thank you very much, Jim. 840 00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:42,960 » Thank you very much, Jim. 841 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,240 Are there any other members of the 842 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,520 public who wish to address the 843 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,880 commission on this agenda item? Okay, 844 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,880 we'll close public comment. I'll bring 845 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:51,919 it back to the commission for 846 00:29:51,919 --> 00:29:55,120 discussion. Any commissioners wish to 847 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,320 opine on this agenda item? Uh, 848 00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,520 Commissioner O'Neal, 849 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,350 >> I have a question. I'm not sure if it's 850 00:30:01,350 --> 00:30:01,360 » I have a question. I'm not sure if it's 851 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,440 for staff for the applicant, but Jacob, 852 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,559 I'll start with you. Um, so currently or 853 00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:09,520 previously, Hawk had that monument sign 854 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,080 out front and what is the plan for that 855 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,399 monument sign going forward? 856 00:30:14,399 --> 00:30:15,830 >> That sign's no longer there. 857 00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:15,840 » That sign's no longer there. 858 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,750 >> So, there's nothing in replacement and 859 00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:17,760 » So, there's nothing in replacement and 860 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,279 the monument sign has gone away. 861 00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:19,990 >> That is correct. 862 00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:20,000 » That is correct. 863 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:25,350 >> Okay. Thank you. 864 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:26,880 Commissioner, 865 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,269 >> thank you. Um, I will direct this to 866 00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:29,279 » thank you. Um, I will direct this to 867 00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:31,600 staff. Um, hopefully you can answer. So, 868 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,159 in terms of of I think the question was 869 00:30:34,159 --> 00:30:37,120 already asked about the the lighting in 870 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,720 terms of the plaza itself, do we have 871 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,240 any code or any ordinance pertaining to 872 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,480 the lighting of buildings on the plaza? 873 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,120 Even even the the lights in the park, 874 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,520 what what time do those go off? 875 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,600 I wouldn't be able to speak on the 876 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,080 lighting in the park, but in terms of 877 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,399 the plaza, I'm not aware of any specific 878 00:30:58,399 --> 00:31:00,640 regulations for that. We've talked about 879 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,120 that as a potential new regulation with 880 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:04,720 the upcoming sign ordinance. 881 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,590 >> Um, so that's something to consider in 882 00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:07,600 » Um, so that's something to consider in 883 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,919 how we address uh new lighting that's 884 00:31:09,919 --> 00:31:13,750 around the plaza. 885 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,720 » Anyone else have questions for staff? I 886 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,640 have a question. 887 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,240 Have we, to your knowledge, have we 888 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,080 placed any um restrictions on any other 889 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,559 lit signage around the plaza? 890 00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:27,830 >> Okay. 891 00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:27,840 » Okay. 892 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:28,630 >> Yes. 893 00:31:28,630 --> 00:31:28,640 » Yes. 894 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,710 >> On Bank of America, it's the most recent 895 00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:30,720 » On Bank of America, it's the most recent 896 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:30,960 one. 897 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,350 >> I remember I recall that one. Is there 898 00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:33,360 » I remember I recall that one. Is there 899 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,000 any other I mean, is it 900 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,190 >> Yes. Um we've done another um wine 901 00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:39,200 » Yes. Um we've done another um wine 902 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,399 tasting room that 903 00:31:42,399 --> 00:31:45,919 um I'm trying to remember. 904 00:31:45,919 --> 00:31:48,159 It's on this side of the plaza as well 905 00:31:48,159 --> 00:31:50,640 where we limited the lighting um for 906 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,360 their sign to just be within the 907 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,200 business hours and so after business 908 00:31:55,200 --> 00:32:00,320 hours it was to be turned off. I see. So 909 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,279 fair to say that limiting the period of 910 00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:04,960 elimination for this lit sign to 911 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,640 business hours would be in keeping with 912 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,559 precedent. 913 00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:11,200 Okay. Thank you. That's all I have. Any 914 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,039 other questions? 915 00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:17,269 uh comments. 916 00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:20,399 » Um let's see. I'm gonna address the 917 00:32:20,399 --> 00:32:22,559 illumination of the sign. First of all, 918 00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:26,720 the I was the advocate for the reduction 919 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,240 of the illumination of the Bank of 920 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,480 America sign, but that sign is an 921 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,000 internally 922 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,679 there was one not internally 923 00:32:33,679 --> 00:32:35,440 illuminated. There were others that were 924 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,320 internally illuminated and they had come 925 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,360 to us wanting to keep that those signs 926 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:46,880 illuminated 24 hours um a day. Um 927 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,360 my feeling about this sign and its 928 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,720 illumination is one it's not truly an 929 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,120 internally illuminated sign. It's a sign 930 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,240 that's lit from the back so that it um 931 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:03,519 is accented off the wall. And and I also 932 00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:07,120 feel like the sign itself 933 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:08,960 is a 934 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,200 um is less of an imposition in the 935 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,200 residential neighborhood than the 936 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:14,799 monument signs of the wineries that are 937 00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:17,039 across the street from. It's not a big 938 00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:18,880 placard that's facing you as you're 939 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,640 driving down the street. It's a 940 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,600 relatively modest more than just a 941 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,840 little more than a third of the allowed 942 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,679 area or a little less than a third of 943 00:33:27,679 --> 00:33:31,519 the allowed area. Um and 944 00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:34,159 um I don't really find it objectionable 945 00:33:34,159 --> 00:33:35,519 in terms of the encroachment of the 946 00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:36,880 commercial district into that 947 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,120 residential neighborhood. I know for the 948 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,679 35 years that I've lived here, that's 949 00:33:41,679 --> 00:33:44,159 those buildings have been occupied by 950 00:33:44,159 --> 00:33:46,320 businesses forever. One of one of them 951 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:51,440 used to be um the adjacent Greyhound bus 952 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,919 station. Um, so, you know, I I don't 953 00:33:55,919 --> 00:34:00,080 have any problem um making a motion to 954 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,240 approve this. I I think it's a really 955 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,480 modest improvement on the property. I 956 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,039 think that the hours of illumination 957 00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:09,040 should be restricted to the hours of 958 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,000 business. Um, so that when they're gone, 959 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,280 the neighborhood doesn't have to deal 960 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,839 with the illumination. 961 00:34:15,839 --> 00:34:18,069 >> Thank you. Any other comments, 962 00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:18,079 » Thank you. Any other comments, 963 00:34:18,079 --> 00:34:18,960 Commissioner Da? 964 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,869 >> Thank you. First, I I appreciate the 965 00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:20,879 » Thank you. First, I I appreciate the 966 00:34:20,879 --> 00:34:22,480 comments from the public and their 967 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:27,919 concerns. Um so um with regard to the um 968 00:34:27,919 --> 00:34:30,399 the businesses, my understanding is that 969 00:34:30,399 --> 00:34:32,320 that business not only has been there 970 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,560 that uh business establishments have not 971 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,159 only been there for a while, but it's 972 00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:37,919 actually in the retail overlay, I 973 00:34:37,919 --> 00:34:40,399 believe. And so technically, it is kind 974 00:34:40,399 --> 00:34:43,919 of in the business area. Um but 975 00:34:43,919 --> 00:34:44,960 secondly, with regard to the 976 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,800 illumination, you know, that was my 977 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,399 concern. And I went back and looked at 978 00:34:48,399 --> 00:34:51,440 our existing ordinance. Um, and 979 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,639 basically it it does say that, you know, 980 00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:56,720 it would be inappropriate unless unless 981 00:34:56,720 --> 00:34:58,160 a business is operating in the evening 982 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,720 hours and that we should um consider it 983 00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:02,640 carefully and and I feel that we have 984 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,640 considered it carefully. I I would agree 985 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,280 with Commissioner Willer's assessment. I 986 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,680 think it's a modest backlit sign similar 987 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,040 to Moon Mountain which is on the east 988 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,680 side and Capoetta on the on the east 989 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,839 side and Moon Mountain on the west side. 990 00:35:15,839 --> 00:35:19,280 Um, and I I would approve this with the 991 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,119 condition of approval that we limit it 992 00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:24,950 to business hours. 993 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,000 » Any other comments? Commissioner 994 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,680 Bernett? 995 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,990 >> Well, um, my concern about this 996 00:35:31,990 --> 00:35:32,000 » Well, um, my concern about this 997 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,920 application has little to do with the 998 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,400 design and plans for the sign itself. I 999 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,839 certainly would support its use the of 1000 00:35:39,839 --> 00:35:41,760 the illumination only during business 1001 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:46,400 hours. Um, I guess that my concern, and 1002 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,240 it's not something we can hold against 1003 00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:52,560 this applicant, is that is this going to 1004 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,640 begin the process of the other wine 1005 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,800 tasting operations wanting illuminated 1006 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,560 signs, too? And are we then going to 1007 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:07,200 face, you know, additional applications 1008 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,160 for illuminated signs in this on this 1009 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,440 street? And um I can't answer that 1010 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:18,320 question, but but business being what it 1011 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,880 is, I think the likelihood of that 1012 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,640 happening is probably pretty good. So I 1013 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,160 throw that in there only as a 1014 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,560 consideration. The only other thing I 1015 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,160 will add is that legal non-conforming 1016 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,040 uses are subject to all kinds of 1017 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,560 limitations. 1018 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,040 For example, the footprint of the 1019 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,320 building cannot be enlarged. 1020 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,920 Um, and uh, and there may be other 1021 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,760 conditions that apply to legal 1022 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,280 non-conforming uses. Um, 1023 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,960 uh, I don't know if the other 1024 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,680 commercial uses of residentially zoned 1025 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:03,520 properties. Um, uh, is true of all the 1026 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,240 other commercial uses on that section of 1027 00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:08,000 the block. 1028 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,640 Um, I suspect it probably is that they 1029 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,480 are grandfathered in and uh, as legal 1030 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:20,079 non-conforming uses. Um, so I I think 1031 00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:22,240 imposing a condition such as the 1032 00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:25,760 illumination be turned off when the 1033 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,079 property is not in operation as the 1034 00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:33,280 business is is appropriate and um and in 1035 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,440 accordance with the typical kinds of 1036 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,160 limitations that are placed on legal 1037 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:42,000 non-conforming uses. Thank you. 1038 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,230 >> Thank you very much. Are there any other 1039 00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:44,240 » Thank you very much. Are there any other 1040 00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:47,270 comments? 1041 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:48,000 Commissioner O'Neal. 1042 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,829 >> Um, I do think that the elimination of 1043 00:37:49,829 --> 00:37:49,839 » Um, I do think that the elimination of 1044 00:37:49,839 --> 00:37:51,920 the monument sign is an improvement to 1045 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,480 the street view and I do think it's um 1046 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,000 I'd like to go on record saying that I 1047 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,440 would really be objecting to a 1048 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,040 illuminated sign that was a monument 1049 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,640 because I think it's too distracting for 1050 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,720 people driving up and down the street. 1051 00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:08,079 Um, the fact that it's placed um back 1052 00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:10,960 against the structure, even if this is 1053 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,440 the main structure, I think it's um way 1054 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,160 more subtle and I I like that. I think 1055 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,400 it's just a little bit more elegant for 1056 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,640 the approach to that neighborhood. Um, I 1057 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,240 also think that visibility of the 1058 00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:23,839 business is an important thing and using 1059 00:38:23,839 --> 00:38:25,440 the illuminated sign against the 1060 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,680 building as opposed to a monument is 1061 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,720 just um keeping that streetscape nicer. 1062 00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:35,040 So, I do I like that. 1063 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,190 >> Any other comments? 1064 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,680 » All right. 1065 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,520 I'll make a motion to approve a sign 1066 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,599 permit for two new illuminated wall 1067 00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:50,000 signs on a residential property at 383 1068 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,720 First Street West with the condition of 1069 00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:54,480 approval that the sign be only 1070 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,680 illuminated during business hours. 1071 00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:58,710 >> Is there a second? 1072 00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:58,720 » Is there a second? 1073 00:38:58,720 --> 00:39:00,230 >> Second. 1074 00:39:00,230 --> 00:39:00,240 » Second. 1075 00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:02,150 >> Roll call, please. 1076 00:39:02,150 --> 00:39:02,160 » Roll call, please. 1077 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,270 >> Commissioner Willers, 1078 00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:03,280 » Commissioner Willers, 1079 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:03,750 >> yes. 1080 00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:03,760 » yes. 1081 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:04,870 >> Commissioner Barnett, 1082 00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:04,880 » Commissioner Barnett, 1083 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:05,430 >> I. 1084 00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:05,440 » I. 1085 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:06,790 >> Commissioner Oberman Jenkins. 1086 00:39:06,790 --> 00:39:06,800 » Commissioner Oberman Jenkins. 1087 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:07,190 >> Hi. 1088 00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:07,200 » Hi. 1089 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,109 >> Commissioner Donbach, 1090 00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:09,119 » Commissioner Donbach, 1091 00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:10,710 >> yes. Commissioner O'Neal. 1092 00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:10,720 » yes. Commissioner O'Neal. 1093 00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:11,430 >> Yes. 1094 00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:11,440 » Yes. 1095 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,910 >> Vice Chair Nent I. Chair Hyrick. 1096 00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:13,920 » Vice Chair Nent I. Chair Hyrick. 1097 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:14,390 >> Hi. 1098 00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:14,400 » Hi. 1099 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,550 >> The motion passes unanimously. 1100 00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:16,560 » The motion passes unanimously. 1101 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:17,750 >> Thank you. Congratulations to the 1102 00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:17,760 » Thank you. Congratulations to the 1103 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,200 applicant. Thank you very much for your 1104 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,760 time, Mr. Bohar, and your thoughtful 1105 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,200 comments. Appreciate it. 1106 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:26,720 Okay. 1107 00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:30,320 Moving along to item 4.3 of tonight's 1108 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,320 public hearing. discussion, 1109 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,880 consideration, and possible action to 1110 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,960 approve a modification to a use permit, 1111 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,520 design review, and variance, including a 1112 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,359 new variance for the approval of a 1113 00:39:41,359 --> 00:39:43,119 renovation of the second floor, an 1114 00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:44,560 increase in the structure height of a 1115 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,839 duplex built over 45 years ago. This is 1116 00:39:47,839 --> 00:39:50,160 located at 310 1117 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,040 2nd Street East. 1118 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,960 Is there a staff report? Absolutely. So, 1119 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,440 I'll clarify as we go through this. Um 1120 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,920 but yes, this item's for a new variance 1121 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:06,079 as well as a modification to the um use 1122 00:40:06,079 --> 00:40:08,320 permit design review and variance that 1123 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,119 was previously approved uh at a hearing 1124 00:40:11,119 --> 00:40:14,160 in May of 2025 and specifically address 1125 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,800 the remodel and expansion of the duplex 1126 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,040 which is technically a non-conforming 1127 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,680 structure due to its setbacks. 1128 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,520 The property is developed with a 2,829 1129 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,720 foot duplex on a 6,672 1130 00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:30,880 foot lot. The property is located in the 1131 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,960 northeast planning area and is within 1132 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,880 the historic overlay in its own medium 1133 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,480 density. 1134 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,040 So this project will be proposing an 1135 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,119 increase in the height of the duplex by 1136 00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:43,280 one foot on the second floor and 1137 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,280 replacing all of the exterior walls on 1138 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,240 the second floor so that uh larger 1139 00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:51,040 flaming sorry flaming framing can be 1140 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,320 added for support. Um the modification 1141 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,440 to the design review is necessary due to 1142 00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,119 the enlargement of the windows on that 1143 00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:01,280 second floor with the increase in height 1144 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:02,720 so that there's compatibility with the 1145 00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:05,520 new height. And the proposal requires 1146 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,760 the new variance because the demolition 1147 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,839 of the second floor, the walls on the 1148 00:41:09,839 --> 00:41:12,800 second floor, uh makes it makes the 1149 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,640 total change in exterior walls greater 1150 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,240 than the 50% that's allowed for 1151 00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:17,920 non-conforming structures. So this would 1152 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,000 be considered a new structure and needs 1153 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,359 to be uh reviewed as such. 1154 00:41:23,359 --> 00:41:25,680 So this is the existing floor plans with 1155 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,599 the demolition. You can see the first 1156 00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:29,839 floor is on the right and the second 1157 00:41:29,839 --> 00:41:32,319 floor is on the left. the second floor 1158 00:41:32,319 --> 00:41:34,079 with the dotted lines shows you where 1159 00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:35,680 that demolition will be occurring as 1160 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,880 well as the first floor um which is what 1161 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,640 has triggered the new variance to be 1162 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,960 required. 1163 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,520 Uh this is an image of the west 1164 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,839 elevation with the proposed modification 1165 00:41:47,839 --> 00:41:49,680 along with the previous approval from 1166 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,599 May. So you can see the height 1167 00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:54,160 difference along with the change in 1168 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,640 window height and those entry uh 1169 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,119 entryway heights. 1170 00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:03,430 This is the east elevation. 1171 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,560 Here's the north elevation. 1172 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,000 Oh, sorry, that was the south. And this 1173 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,000 is the north elevation. And just to be 1174 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,800 clear, none of the other additions or 1175 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,880 changes from the previous approval are 1176 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,760 being added. There's no uh increase in 1177 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,160 the in the floor area or anything like 1178 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:21,760 that. This is specifically for the 1179 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,560 height of the structure. 1180 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,560 So in the analysis uh was found that the 1181 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,079 project's compliant with all development 1182 00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:29,760 standards in northeast signing area 1183 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,920 except for those site setbacks. The 1184 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,359 changes proposed would not further 1185 00:42:33,359 --> 00:42:35,760 expand on the non-conformities and is 1186 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:36,880 still compliant with the height 1187 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,000 standards as it will be below 30 ft. 1188 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,359 The project is compliant with the 1189 00:42:41,359 --> 00:42:43,440 development code and general plan uh by 1190 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,359 promoting higher density infill without 1191 00:42:45,359 --> 00:42:47,920 imposing rigid sty stylistic 1192 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,319 restrictions and the proposal promotes 1193 00:42:50,319 --> 00:42:53,119 innovative designs uh to make the duplex 1194 00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:55,599 more livable for the tenants. 1195 00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:57,599 The historic resource evaluation that 1196 00:42:57,599 --> 00:42:59,280 was done previously determined that the 1197 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,319 duplex didn't qualify as historic and 1198 00:43:02,319 --> 00:43:03,920 the proposal is consistent with the 1199 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,000 design standards and doesn't have a 1200 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,839 historical character characteristic that 1201 00:43:07,839 --> 00:43:10,640 will be altered and it's not expected 1202 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,160 that it will be impacting historic 1203 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,280 characters of the adjacent properties. 1204 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,359 So the adjustment is consistent with the 1205 00:43:17,359 --> 00:43:19,440 intent of the zoning uh zoning district 1206 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,760 for higher density infill and the 1207 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,200 variance will treat the development as 1208 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,599 the new construction and intends to 1209 00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:26,880 continue maintaining its existing 1210 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,560 setbacks as they were approved in the 1211 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,200 previous hearing and the increase to the 1212 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,400 height of structure um is within the 1213 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:35,760 height limit that's consistent with the 1214 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,400 zoning. So the approval of the variance 1215 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:39,760 would allow for the property owner to 1216 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,880 use the existing duplex footprint as is 1217 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,640 as it is now whereas the current 1218 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:45,839 development standards would require them 1219 00:43:45,839 --> 00:43:47,839 to partially demolish some of that 1220 00:43:47,839 --> 00:43:49,359 residence to be able to meet those side 1221 00:43:49,359 --> 00:43:50,880 setbacks. 1222 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,280 The approval doesn't grant special 1223 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,960 privileges in our uh in our findings and 1224 00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:58,480 uh gives the property owner an 1225 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,079 opportunity to design the duplex in a 1226 00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:02,000 way that improves that livability 1227 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,240 overall. So should the planning 1228 00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:05,520 commission determine that the findings 1229 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,440 can be met, staff recommends approval of 1230 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,599 the modification to the design review 1231 00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:12,079 and variance uh sorry and the new 1232 00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:14,079 variance including the new variance to 1233 00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:15,359 allow the reconstruction of the 1234 00:44:15,359 --> 00:44:17,119 sidewalls within the required setback 1235 00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:18,880 and increase the height of the duplex 1236 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,880 and staff's available for any questions. 1237 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,800 I believe the applicant is available as 1238 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,640 well. 1239 00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,349 >> Thank you very much. I'll first ask if 1240 00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:27,359 » Thank you very much. I'll first ask if 1241 00:44:27,359 --> 00:44:28,880 any commissioners need to disclose any 1242 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,640 exparte communication with any 1243 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:35,280 interested parties to this application. 1244 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:36,880 No. 1245 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:41,200 Okay. There questions of staff from the 1246 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,520 commission. Commissioner 1247 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,910 >> Jacob, I've got two questions. Um the 1248 00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:45,920 » Jacob, I've got two questions. Um the 1249 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,119 first is I'm confused as to why this was 1250 00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:50,800 this extra foot of height wasn't 1251 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,640 included in the original application for 1252 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,720 the variance back in May. That's my 1253 00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:56,560 first question. The second, this 1254 00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,480 property has already been demolished and 1255 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,119 is under construction now. 1256 00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:04,800 So why are we getting it now when 1257 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,240 they're already under construction? 1258 00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:10,800 So to answer the first question, u from 1259 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,640 my understanding is they had an 1260 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,880 architect who passed away prior to the 1261 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,040 hearing at the previous hearing. Um and 1262 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,359 so they went forward with what was drawn 1263 00:45:19,359 --> 00:45:22,480 out in that at that time. Um when they 1264 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,000 were going into construction, they 1265 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,960 realized that there was some changes 1266 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:28,319 that they wanted to make for the height 1267 00:45:28,319 --> 00:45:30,800 that felt appropriate for the structure. 1268 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,119 Um and in doing that, they determined 1269 00:45:33,119 --> 00:45:34,640 that better framing was going to be 1270 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,359 needed. So they wanted to request that 1271 00:45:37,359 --> 00:45:41,200 um that we review that. When it comes to 1272 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,720 the work that's already been conducted, 1273 00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:47,200 um that was part of what was previously 1274 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,760 approved. So they started the work for 1275 00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,079 what was previously approved and then 1276 00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:54,800 stopped that work once they were from my 1277 00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,000 understanding they stopped that work 1278 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,319 before uh to get the approval and then 1279 00:45:58,319 --> 00:46:02,069 they could continue. 1280 00:46:02,079 --> 00:46:03,680 » Okay. Any any follow-up questions to 1281 00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,480 that or Okay. Any other members of the 1282 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:07,839 commission have questions for city 1283 00:46:07,839 --> 00:46:10,079 staff? 1284 00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:14,079 I guess my question uh Jacob would be 1285 00:46:14,079 --> 00:46:16,960 whether a specific reason was provided 1286 00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,800 to you for the request for the um 1287 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,520 additional elevation. Was it structural? 1288 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,359 Was it aesthetic? I I recognize that the 1289 00:46:25,359 --> 00:46:26,400 applicant's here and will come and 1290 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,079 address us, but I'm I'm wondering 1291 00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:29,920 specifically if 1292 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,750 >> it may be better for the applicant to 1293 00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:31,760 » it may be better for the applicant to 1294 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,599 address just because I didn't I didn't 1295 00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:35,599 receive a specific one besides u 1296 00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:37,280 potentially aesthetic value. 1297 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,550 >> Okay, great. Thank you. Any 1298 00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:40,560 » Okay, great. Thank you. Any 1299 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,160 other questions? Okay. I would invite 1300 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,200 the applicant to come forward 1301 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,520 and 1302 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,599 speak or present. Sir, if you could 1303 00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:52,880 state your name for the record. 1304 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,280 Glenn Kamoto. I reside at 324 Second 1305 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,280 Street East, which is next door to this 1306 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,240 property. Uh your question about why 1307 00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:02,880 this hadn't come before the commission 1308 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,800 initially. Uh the architects 1309 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,440 initially thought that we would redo the 1310 00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,839 roof using scissor truss and get the 1311 00:47:11,839 --> 00:47:15,040 height uh as we address the roof and the 1312 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,680 roof height wouldn't change. But as we 1313 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,040 started construction, did the 1314 00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,480 demolition, it became very clear that um 1315 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,400 that we needed to lift the roof and the 1316 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,880 existing second the whole second story 1317 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,040 to get the new floor joist in because 1318 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,480 the first floor has been approved for an 1319 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,040 addition of one foot to bring it to 9 1320 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,720 ft. And we're also putting in two inches 1321 00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:41,520 of of concrete so that you don't catch 1322 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,720 footfalls between the floors. So, we had 1323 00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:48,319 a plan and as Jacob said, we lost our 1324 00:47:48,319 --> 00:47:51,119 architect um unexpectedly 1325 00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:53,440 and as we st got into construction, we 1326 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,200 said, "Oh, this this doesn't make 1327 00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,000 sense." And in addition, it's it's 2x4 1328 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,160 framing. It's not in very good shape. 1329 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,720 The building was poorly constructed and 1330 00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:04,640 the contractor's strong preference and 1331 00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,240 my preference is, "Hey, let's demo the 1332 00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:08,560 thing." And under the code, we can demo 1333 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:12,000 everything but 12 feet. and the planner 1334 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,640 said just demo the whole thing and 1335 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,400 that's the right way to do it. So the 1336 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,480 2x4 framing is going to be replaced by 2 1337 00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,599 by six framing much stronger. It's going 1338 00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:23,440 to take a lot more insulation. It's 1339 00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,400 going to be warmer and a 9- foot ceiling 1340 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,640 in these days is 1341 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,640 considered more livable. It's just just 1342 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,720 going to be a nicer space. But it's the 1343 00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:34,960 same square footage. It's just got more 1344 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,440 volume. 1345 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,270 >> Was the original plan for an 8ft 1346 00:48:39,270 --> 00:48:39,280 » Was the original plan for an 8ft 1347 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,359 ceiling? The original plan was for a 9 1348 00:48:41,359 --> 00:48:44,160 foot ceiling internally use without 1349 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,559 changing the exterior structure at all. 1350 00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:47,109 >> I see. 1351 00:48:47,109 --> 00:48:47,119 » I see. 1352 00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:48,549 >> So we thought, oh, it's, you know, we 1353 00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:48,559 » So we thought, oh, it's, you know, we 1354 00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:50,640 can just leave it the way it is. Bad 1355 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,440 idea. Turned out to be a very bad idea. 1356 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,109 >> Understood. 1357 00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:55,119 » Understood. 1358 00:48:55,119 --> 00:48:56,720 While the applicants at the podium, do 1359 00:48:56,720 --> 00:48:58,720 any members of the commission wish to 1360 00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:01,839 ask any questions? Okay. 1361 00:49:01,839 --> 00:49:04,400 Thank you very much, sir. 1362 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,079 Okay. At this point, I would open this 1363 00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:08,000 item to public comment. Any members of 1364 00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:09,839 the public present who wish to come and 1365 00:49:09,839 --> 00:49:11,359 address the commission on this item can 1366 00:49:11,359 --> 00:49:15,200 come forward and state their name. 1367 00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,309 >> Claudia Raniker. 1368 00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:18,319 » Claudia Raniker. 1369 00:49:18,319 --> 00:49:22,390 >> Okay. The first floor uh walls were 1370 00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:22,400 » Okay. The first floor uh walls were 1371 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,680 originally 8 feet. They got they 1372 00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,160 increased that by one foot and there was 1373 00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,559 20 in of insulation. If you'll look at 1374 00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:34,400 the plan, a space of 20 in for 1375 00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,200 insulation between the two floors. So 1376 00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,079 that makes the first that makes an 1377 00:49:40,079 --> 00:49:43,440 increase all of 32 inches. 1378 00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,480 On the application that I've read the 1379 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,960 from the staff said they wanted to 1380 00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:53,359 increase that second story another 12 in 1381 00:49:53,359 --> 00:49:56,319 because they feel that that makes things 1382 00:49:56,319 --> 00:50:00,160 much more livable another foot. But most 1383 00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,240 of the people in the world live under 8 1384 00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:04,160 foot ceilings and I don't believe that's 1385 00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,520 going to increase any comfort. So also 1386 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,520 in that report it says they also wanted 1387 00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,720 to put another two inches for in for uh 1388 00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:14,319 soundproofing. 1389 00:50:14,319 --> 00:50:16,960 This all of this together with the t 32 1390 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,200 in that are approved will bring that 1391 00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:24,160 total height increase to 46 in 1392 00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:28,079 the the building is suspended. The top 1393 00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:30,720 floor is suspended over the first and 1394 00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:33,599 it's set at 48 in. So there's a 48 inch 1395 00:50:33,599 --> 00:50:37,760 gap that 48 that 1396 00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:43,200 and being okay. The variance has allowed 1397 00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,440 Okay. So that the variance from last 1398 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,520 year has allowed the allowed the 1399 00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,920 building to sit five feet from the fence 1400 00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:54,400 line under rule of the old code. 1401 00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,559 But the height allowance is being 1402 00:50:56,559 --> 00:51:02,319 controlled by what code allows today. 1403 00:51:02,319 --> 00:51:06,000 Today's code holds a 7 and 1/2 ft 1404 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:07,520 setback 1405 00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,880 and a 30foot height allowance. 1406 00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,200 But because the building is being held 1407 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:17,040 at five feet, two and a half feet closer 1408 00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:21,040 to the fence line, any height increases 1409 00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,000 will only intensify the force on 1410 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:29,270 boundaries. 1411 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:34,870 The original building was not aggressive 1412 00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,119 because the setback and height allowance 1413 00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:40,400 were in sync to prevent that. Height 1414 00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,640 allowances are concerned with the height 1415 00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:44,559 of the roof. 1416 00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:46,800 This building has a very low pitched 1417 00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,079 roof of six feet. So very little of the 1418 00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:54,400 height increase is absorbed by the roof 1419 00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,599 height. It is a sheer wall like Villa 1420 00:51:57,599 --> 00:52:00,559 Cheese, but the building does not bear 1421 00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:04,559 down on you because there's space around 1422 00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:09,680 it. This is overbearing. 1423 00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:13,440 And because of all that, I am asking you 1424 00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,760 to re-evaluate 1425 00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,280 this current request for more height 1426 00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:20,800 increases 1427 00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,440 because that will make the building 1428 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,720 excessively overbearing and excessively 1429 00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:28,319 dominating 1430 00:52:28,319 --> 00:52:30,880 and to make a more mutually and I'm 1431 00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,599 asking you if you can 1432 00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:36,160 to make a more mutually respecting 1433 00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:40,240 decision for both of us. 1434 00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:43,599 But before you do that, I would like you 1435 00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:50,150 to ask the property owners in private 1436 00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,280 if that is okay with them because I 1437 00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,040 think they deserve a decent amount of 1438 00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,319 respect. 1439 00:52:56,319 --> 00:52:58,150 >> Thank you, Claudia. I appreciate your 1440 00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:58,160 » Thank you, Claudia. I appreciate your 1441 00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:58,720 comments. 1442 00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:03,349 >> Thank you. 1443 00:53:03,359 --> 00:53:05,760 » Okay. Are any other members of the 1444 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,079 public wishing to address the commission 1445 00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:10,880 on this matter tonight? 1446 00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:12,640 Okay, seeing none, I will close public 1447 00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,079 comment. I will bring it back to the 1448 00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:17,119 commission for discussion. 1449 00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:20,000 Any members of the commission wish to 1450 00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:20,390 >> Yes. 1451 00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:20,400 » Yes. 1452 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:24,309 >> Um Jacob, I'm having trouble reading the 1453 00:53:24,309 --> 00:53:24,319 » Um Jacob, I'm having trouble reading the 1454 00:53:24,319 --> 00:53:28,400 um drawings. Can you um between the 1455 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,240 previous approval and the proposed 1456 00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:32,480 modification, what is that height 1457 00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,119 difference? 1458 00:53:35,119 --> 00:53:36,960 the overall height. Is that what you're 1459 00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:38,480 asking? 1460 00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,309 >> Well, what is the previous approval? 1461 00:53:40,309 --> 00:53:40,319 » Well, what is the previous approval? 1462 00:53:40,319 --> 00:53:41,599 What's the height on that one? 1463 00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:44,390 >> 24 feet and one inch. 1464 00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:44,400 » 24 feet and one inch. 1465 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,870 >> Okay. And we're only we're increasing it 1466 00:53:46,870 --> 00:53:46,880 » Okay. And we're only we're increasing it 1467 00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:47,440 one foot 1468 00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,829 >> to 25 ft and one inch. 1469 00:53:49,829 --> 00:53:49,839 » to 25 ft and one inch. 1470 00:53:49,839 --> 00:53:53,910 >> What is Claudia's comments about the 48 1471 00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:53,920 » What is Claudia's comments about the 48 1472 00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,200 in increase? My understanding was since 1473 00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,760 she's no longer here is a deviation from 1474 00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,000 baseline from the initial what was the 1475 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,280 initial the height of the initial 1476 00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:04,960 structure prior to consider. 1477 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:06,870 >> Okay. Not between the first to the 1478 00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:06,880 » Okay. Not between the first to the 1479 00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,079 second the first approval and what's 1480 00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:11,760 being considered here. 1481 00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,589 >> Yeah. Um, I did uh speak with her at uh 1482 00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:15,599 » Yeah. Um, I did uh speak with her at uh 1483 00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:18,960 one point and it had to do I think part 1484 00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:20,800 of it had to do with the spacing between 1485 00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,000 the first and the second floor um and 1486 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,880 the difference there. I I'm not fully 1487 00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,280 understanding it, but um I think that 1488 00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,200 was part of where the height difference 1489 00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,400 was um was between that insulation 1490 00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:38,710 between those two floors. 1491 00:54:38,720 --> 00:54:43,599 » Thank you. Any other commissioners 1492 00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:46,720 wish to apply? 1493 00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:47,430 >> Mr. Na, 1494 00:54:47,430 --> 00:54:47,440 » Mr. Na, 1495 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,589 >> I'll make a comment. Um, again, I 1496 00:54:49,589 --> 00:54:49,599 » I'll make a comment. Um, again, I 1497 00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:51,200 appreciate the public's comments. Um, 1498 00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,760 but reading through the report, my 1499 00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:55,520 understanding is the difference between 1500 00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,240 what was approved in May and now is this 1501 00:54:58,240 --> 00:55:02,319 1 inch um increase um one foot. Thank 1502 00:55:02,319 --> 00:55:05,200 you. More than one inch. Um and that 1503 00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,480 that there's also the same setback issue 1504 00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,440 of not seven feet but 5.3. 1505 00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,510 >> Yeah. Which was approved at that time. 1506 00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:13,520 » Yeah. Which was approved at that time. 1507 00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:14,309 >> Right. 1508 00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:14,319 » Right. 1509 00:55:14,319 --> 00:55:16,230 >> Um and so when I look at the overall 1510 00:55:16,230 --> 00:55:16,240 » Um and so when I look at the overall 1511 00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:17,839 there no there's no change in other 1512 00:55:17,839 --> 00:55:22,160 aspects F or site coverage. Um and that 1513 00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,880 the 25 ft is within the maximum that's 1514 00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,760 allowable. Um, 1515 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,319 I would I would say that I'm supportive 1516 00:55:30,319 --> 00:55:32,880 of the change because it it really 1517 00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:34,559 doesn't change the overall structure. 1518 00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:36,079 The only change here is one foot of 1519 00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:38,079 height, which is within the the code 1520 00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:42,800 norm. Um, and it is improving the house 1521 00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,119 and improving the structure. Um, and 1522 00:55:45,119 --> 00:55:46,640 what I heard tonight was also that it's 1523 00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:48,000 improving the safety and the foundation 1524 00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,319 of the structure. So, I I would be 1525 00:55:50,319 --> 00:55:53,040 inclined to approve it. 1526 00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:54,789 >> Thank you. Any other members of the 1527 00:55:54,789 --> 00:55:54,799 » Thank you. Any other members of the 1528 00:55:54,799 --> 00:55:58,000 commission have comments? 1529 00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,589 >> Commissioner Bernett, 1530 00:55:59,589 --> 00:55:59,599 » Commissioner Bernett, 1531 00:55:59,599 --> 00:56:02,710 >> um what is the um 1532 00:56:02,710 --> 00:56:02,720 » um what is the um 1533 00:56:02,720 --> 00:56:04,799 what is the height of the finished 1534 00:56:04,799 --> 00:56:09,920 building as proposed and what is the 1535 00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,640 permittable or permissible height of a 1536 00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:16,400 building in that particular situation 1537 00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:17,520 according to the code? 1538 00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,990 >> So the maximum height for the zoning uh 1539 00:56:19,990 --> 00:56:20,000 » So the maximum height for the zoning uh 1540 00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,400 for this planning area is 30 feet. The 1541 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,079 maximum height of this structure will be 1542 00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:25,680 25 feet and one inch. 1543 00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,309 >> Thank you. 1544 00:56:28,309 --> 00:56:28,319 » Thank you. 1545 00:56:28,319 --> 00:56:29,829 >> Other members of the commission have 1546 00:56:29,829 --> 00:56:29,839 » Other members of the commission have 1547 00:56:29,839 --> 00:56:32,079 comments. 1548 00:56:32,079 --> 00:56:34,640 I will join in the comments of my fellow 1549 00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:36,640 commissioners and that I support the 1550 00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,960 approval of this application that on 1551 00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,599 balance the additional uh 1 foot in 1552 00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:45,760 height um doesn't negate any of the 1553 00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,359 findings that were previously made. 1554 00:56:47,359 --> 00:56:50,319 We're not here to relitigate um the 1555 00:56:50,319 --> 00:56:53,359 findings of um 1556 00:56:53,359 --> 00:56:55,680 what was uh what was discussed in May 1557 00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,480 and approved. And uh for that reason and 1558 00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,400 all the reasons previously mentioned, I 1559 00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,079 would be supportive of approving this 1560 00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:03,599 application. 1561 00:57:03,599 --> 00:57:07,760 With that said, is there a motion? 1562 00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,230 >> Motion to approve. 1563 00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:10,240 » Motion to approve. 1564 00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:17,430 Um you can find it here. the um 1565 00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,599 the variance, including a new variance 1566 00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:22,319 in the approval of a renovation of the 1567 00:57:22,319 --> 00:57:23,760 second floor and increase in the 1568 00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,240 structure height of a duplex built over 1569 00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,280 45 years ago located at 310 1570 00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,319 Second Street East, including the action 1571 00:57:32,319 --> 00:57:36,640 to approve the categorical exemption. 1572 00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,829 >> A second. 1573 00:57:39,829 --> 00:57:39,839 » A second. 1574 00:57:39,839 --> 00:57:41,510 >> Roll call, please. 1575 00:57:41,510 --> 00:57:41,520 » Roll call, please. 1576 00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:42,799 Commissioner Willers, 1577 00:57:42,799 --> 00:57:43,270 >> yes. 1578 00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:43,280 » yes. 1579 00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:44,309 >> Commissioner Barnett, 1580 00:57:44,309 --> 00:57:44,319 » Commissioner Barnett, 1581 00:57:44,319 --> 00:57:45,109 >> hi. 1582 00:57:45,109 --> 00:57:45,119 » hi. 1583 00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:46,549 >> Commissioner O'Gorman Jenkins, 1584 00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:46,559 » Commissioner O'Gorman Jenkins, 1585 00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:46,950 >> hi. 1586 00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:46,960 » hi. 1587 00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:47,990 >> Commissioner Donach, 1588 00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:48,000 » Commissioner Donach, 1589 00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:48,390 >> yes. 1590 00:57:48,390 --> 00:57:48,400 » yes. 1591 00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:49,349 >> Commissioner O'Neal, 1592 00:57:49,349 --> 00:57:49,359 » Commissioner O'Neal, 1593 00:57:49,359 --> 00:57:50,069 >> yes. 1594 00:57:50,069 --> 00:57:50,079 » yes. 1595 00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:51,190 >> Vice Chair Nent, 1596 00:57:51,190 --> 00:57:51,200 » Vice Chair Nent, 1597 00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:51,589 >> I. 1598 00:57:51,589 --> 00:57:51,599 » I. 1599 00:57:51,599 --> 00:57:52,390 >> Chair Wyrick, 1600 00:57:52,390 --> 00:57:52,400 » Chair Wyrick, 1601 00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:52,710 >> I. 1602 00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:52,720 » I. 1603 00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,030 >> The motion passes unanimously. 1604 00:57:55,030 --> 00:57:55,040 » The motion passes unanimously. 1605 00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:56,470 >> Thank you very much. Thank you to the 1606 00:57:56,470 --> 00:57:56,480 » Thank you very much. Thank you to the 1607 00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,280 applicant for his presence tonight and 1608 00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,480 uh to the members of the public who came 1609 00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:06,240 to participate in the discourse. 1610 00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,200 Moving on to item 4.4 four of tonight's 1611 00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:10,400 public hearing discussion, 1612 00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,640 consideration, and possible action to 1613 00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,119 approve design review and use permit 1614 00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:16,960 amendment 1615 00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:22,470 for 1616 00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:25,990 » may I 1617 00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,400 discuss item 44, discussion, 1618 00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:29,839 consideration, and possible action to 1619 00:58:29,839 --> 00:58:31,520 approve design review and use permit 1620 00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,599 amendment for exterior modifications to 1621 00:58:33,599 --> 00:58:35,839 the front facade and operational 1622 00:58:35,839 --> 00:58:38,480 conditions located at 9 East Napa 1623 00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,040 Street. If there's a staff report, 1624 00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:42,400 please. 1625 00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,390 >> Sure thing. Diane Levine, associate 1626 00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:44,400 » Sure thing. Diane Levine, associate 1627 00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,799 planner. Good evening, commissioners, 1628 00:58:46,799 --> 00:58:48,960 chair Wyrick, and Vice Chair Nent. Nice 1629 00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:52,870 to see you. 1630 00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:56,160 So the item before you uh in summary as 1631 00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:59,280 Hayrick um chair Hyrick described is for 1632 00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,839 design review for exterior modifications 1633 00:59:01,839 --> 00:59:04,640 to the front facade located at 9 East 1634 00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:08,480 Napa Street uh at OSO. It is has a 1635 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,880 general plan designation of commercial 1636 00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,160 zoning uh commercial. It is within the 1637 00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:16,799 historic overlay and the plaza retail 1638 00:59:16,799 --> 00:59:19,839 overlay and it is within the downtown 1639 00:59:19,839 --> 00:59:23,280 district planning area and there was a 1640 00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,760 previous historical resource evaluation 1641 00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,559 done on it and uh it was determined to 1642 00:59:28,559 --> 00:59:33,520 not be eligible as a historic resource. 1643 00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:37,440 So on the right is the exterior of OSO 1644 00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,799 as it is now and then on the left is a 1645 00:59:40,799 --> 00:59:44,079 rendering of the proposed changes 1646 00:59:44,079 --> 00:59:48,079 and we can visit back if we need to. 1647 00:59:48,079 --> 00:59:51,040 So the the proposed changes include uh 1648 00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,359 insetting the front facade to make it 1649 00:59:53,359 --> 00:59:55,680 flush. Right now it's sort of at an odd 1650 00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:57,440 angle as you're you're probably aware 1651 00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,960 of. Um it would go from four smaller 1652 01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:05,359 windows to three larger windows. Uh and 1653 01:00:05,359 --> 01:00:09,200 perhaps most notably um moving the the 1654 01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,599 entrance from the west side to the east 1655 01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:14,480 side of the front facade. The wood 1656 01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,799 awning uh for lack of a better term 1657 01:00:16,799 --> 01:00:20,480 would be removed as well as the um dark 1658 01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:24,480 ac uh wood accents and dark tiling. And 1659 01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,760 the a color change would occur and the 1660 01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:29,680 replacement of the existing metal 1661 01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,000 windows and door would be replaced with 1662 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,160 um as you can see a green color in that 1663 01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:38,079 same um material. And throughout the 1664 01:00:38,079 --> 01:00:43,520 plan set you you may have noticed um 1665 01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,240 alluding to signage and sidewalk seating 1666 01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:48,240 and both of those items will be handled 1667 01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,000 uh under separate permit. So, we're just 1668 01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,160 sort of focusing on the the changes to 1669 01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,400 the front facade and the amendments to 1670 01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:59,510 the existing use permit. 1671 01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,440 So, again, here is just providing a bit 1672 01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,359 more detail on the materials in color 1673 01:01:03,359 --> 01:01:06,559 and lighting. Um the existing material 1674 01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:08,720 is stucco, so it but you almost can't 1675 01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,799 tell due to the dark color that's 1676 01:01:10,799 --> 01:01:13,200 currently on the building. Um, so it' be 1677 01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,040 a bit more not noticeable when they go 1678 01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:18,160 to this lighter sort of off green color. 1679 01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,960 Um, and then the darker green for the 1680 01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:24,720 windows and doors and um there's just a 1681 01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:26,880 closeup of the the lighting features 1682 01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,200 there that would be down lit. Um, and 1683 01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,520 there is a time schedule in the lighting 1684 01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,079 schedule that's in the plan set. I would 1685 01:01:34,079 --> 01:01:36,720 also like to note um that the you may 1686 01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:38,319 have also noticed that I mentioned in 1687 01:01:38,319 --> 01:01:41,440 the staff report that the location of 1688 01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:43,680 the gas meter was called out to be on 1689 01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:47,040 the front facade of the the building and 1690 01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:50,079 the applicant definitely acted in the 1691 01:01:50,079 --> 01:01:53,119 best interest of the city in regard to 1692 01:01:53,119 --> 01:01:55,599 um operating on the plaza and worked 1693 01:01:55,599 --> 01:01:58,799 with P Gen to apply for an exception in 1694 01:01:58,799 --> 01:02:01,599 order to be able to do the upgrades that 1695 01:02:01,599 --> 01:02:03,200 they're wanting on the interior for 1696 01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:06,400 their tenant improvements with uh while 1697 01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,559 still being able to use the existing 1698 01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:10,720 location which is um in the sidewalk 1699 01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:15,589 there. 1700 01:02:15,599 --> 01:02:18,799 So the moving on to the amendments quite 1701 01:02:18,799 --> 01:02:22,559 minor really um and actually a reduction 1702 01:02:22,559 --> 01:02:25,760 in hours for the exterior on Fridays and 1703 01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:28,240 Saturdays. Um so generally staying the 1704 01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:32,880 same um and all the other applicable 1705 01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,200 uh conditions that were that are in the 1706 01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,000 existing use permit would remain. Um and 1707 01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,640 then really it's just a change in the 1708 01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:43,280 arrangement of seating. So they would go 1709 01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:47,280 from 29 interior seats to I I'm sorry uh 1710 01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:51,520 26 indoor seats to 29 and eight outdoor 1711 01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:55,200 seats to 14 in the rear patio. And 1712 01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:58,160 although the number of employees per 1713 01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:01,760 shift was not um specifically expressed 1714 01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:05,119 previously um that would not go beyond 1715 01:03:05,119 --> 01:03:09,280 six employees uh maximum per shift and 1716 01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,319 as in the the existing use permit uh 1717 01:03:12,319 --> 01:03:14,799 with the total occupancy not to exceed 1718 01:03:14,799 --> 01:03:19,349 49 and that would not change. 1719 01:03:19,359 --> 01:03:21,520 So there are a number of findings 1720 01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:23,760 including the design review findings, 1721 01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:27,280 the use permit findings and then um 1722 01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:29,280 design review within the historic 1723 01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:32,799 overlay um staff does feel that it meets 1724 01:03:32,799 --> 01:03:36,480 all of the findings and we are 1725 01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:38,079 recommending approval of the design 1726 01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:40,400 review and the use permit amendment to 1727 01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,480 the front facade and operational 1728 01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:46,400 conditions. and and also asked that the 1729 01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,200 project um be considered uh 1730 01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:52,079 categorically exempt pursuant to section 1731 01:03:52,079 --> 01:03:53,920 15301 1732 01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:56,240 um which is existing facilities. Thank 1733 01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:58,880 you. Oh, I'm sorry. And we do have that 1734 01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,920 the owners here should there be any 1735 01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:03,359 questions that should be directed at 1736 01:04:03,359 --> 01:04:05,280 them. We have uh David and Kelly Bush. I 1737 01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,079 meant to mention that in the beginning. 1738 01:04:08,079 --> 01:04:10,789 >> Miss Levine, thank you for your report. 1739 01:04:10,789 --> 01:04:10,799 » Miss Levine, thank you for your report. 1740 01:04:10,799 --> 01:04:12,079 Commissioner comments. Commissioner 1741 01:04:12,079 --> 01:04:14,079 Barnett. 1742 01:04:14,079 --> 01:04:15,280 questions. Excuse me. 1743 01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,589 >> I noticed on one of the renderings there 1744 01:04:17,589 --> 01:04:17,599 » I noticed on one of the renderings there 1745 01:04:17,599 --> 01:04:22,400 were looked like three tables. I'm not 1746 01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:25,359 sure if it's been proposed formally that 1747 01:04:25,359 --> 01:04:29,839 these become part of the application, 1748 01:04:29,839 --> 01:04:34,720 but um this obviously if if uh approved 1749 01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:38,319 this way and if the drawing indicates a 1750 01:04:38,319 --> 01:04:40,799 change in seating capacity, would this 1751 01:04:40,799 --> 01:04:43,200 not increase the outdoor seating 1752 01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:46,400 capacity by six seats? 1753 01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:48,640 So, uh, that's why I mentioned in the 1754 01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:51,520 beginning the sidewalk permits are, um, 1755 01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:54,640 applied for under a separate permit. So, 1756 01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:57,280 that won't be part of that's not part of 1757 01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:02,319 this application. The 49 is the 49 is in 1758 01:05:02,319 --> 01:05:05,280 reference to an interior occupancy. Um, 1759 01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,280 that just they would have to stay under 1760 01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:10,000 49 on the interior in order to not 1761 01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:11,760 trigger other, you know, fire 1762 01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:13,200 requirements or what have you. 1763 01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:15,430 >> No, I understand, but go back. There was 1764 01:05:15,430 --> 01:05:15,440 » No, I understand, but go back. There was 1765 01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,920 one that had to to talked about seating 1766 01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,160 in the garden 1767 01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:24,000 and uh there was a change 1768 01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,480 uh interior 1769 01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:30,640 14 rear patio seats from eight outdoor 1770 01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:32,960 seats. 1771 01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:36,640 So that just has to do with the 1772 01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,109 >> I Yes. Perhaps I didn't clarify that's 1773 01:05:39,109 --> 01:05:39,119 » I Yes. Perhaps I didn't clarify that's 1774 01:05:39,119 --> 01:05:40,559 in the rear. 1775 01:05:40,559 --> 01:05:42,710 >> So that just has to do with the rear. 1776 01:05:42,710 --> 01:05:42,720 » So that just has to do with the rear. 1777 01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:44,950 >> Yes. And but it's not changing their 1778 01:05:44,950 --> 01:05:44,960 » Yes. And but it's not changing their 1779 01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:47,119 total number of occats. 1780 01:05:47,119 --> 01:05:47,829 >> Correct. 1781 01:05:47,829 --> 01:05:47,839 » Correct. 1782 01:05:47,839 --> 01:05:51,109 >> And so if I understand you correctly, if 1783 01:05:51,109 --> 01:05:51,119 » And so if I understand you correctly, if 1784 01:05:51,119 --> 01:05:55,119 they do want to go forward and apply for 1785 01:05:55,119 --> 01:05:57,680 some seating in the front, they're going 1786 01:05:57,680 --> 01:05:59,440 to have to make a separate application 1787 01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:00,240 to do that. 1788 01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:01,750 >> Yes, that would be done through the 1789 01:06:01,750 --> 01:06:01,760 » Yes, that would be done through the 1790 01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:03,680 sidewalk seating permit. 1791 01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:04,470 >> Okay. Thank you. 1792 01:06:04,470 --> 01:06:04,480 » Okay. Thank you. 1793 01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:08,150 >> You're welcome. 1794 01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:09,920 » Thank you. Any other questions? 1795 01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:10,720 Commissioner Dela. 1796 01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:12,230 >> Thank you. I have a clarifying question. 1797 01:06:12,230 --> 01:06:12,240 » Thank you. I have a clarifying question. 1798 01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,400 I just want to make sure I understand um 1799 01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:18,079 about the gas meter and and whether we 1800 01:06:18,079 --> 01:06:20,079 have to make that a condition of 1801 01:06:20,079 --> 01:06:21,520 approval. There's there was some 1802 01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:23,359 language in the staff report that 1803 01:06:23,359 --> 01:06:25,440 suggested that. So I just want to make 1804 01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:28,559 sure I understand. So there is a front 1805 01:06:28,559 --> 01:06:30,720 there is a gas meter. It's just not a 1806 01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:33,280 new gas meter. Is that correct? 1807 01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:36,230 >> So the existing gas meter is actually 1808 01:06:36,230 --> 01:06:36,240 » So the existing gas meter is actually 1809 01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:39,839 under the sidewalk there. Um it's not on 1810 01:06:39,839 --> 01:06:41,760 the front. And so I actually did include 1811 01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:44,480 it in the conditions of approval just 1812 01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,880 because I really like to have the plans 1813 01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,599 match exactly what what's what we see 1814 01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:52,000 come in as a building permit or or 1815 01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:55,760 whatnot. Um and so I didn't have them 1816 01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,640 refresh revise the plan set. Um so 1817 01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:00,480 that's why I called it out but it would 1818 01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,720 remain as such. They had originally P 1819 01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:06,400 Gen now wants um when certain um 1820 01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:08,400 upgrades are triggered. They want the 1821 01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:11,039 gas meters on the front of the building. 1822 01:07:11,039 --> 01:07:13,839 And um so we had an internal discussion 1823 01:07:13,839 --> 01:07:16,319 because we hadn't heard this come up 1824 01:07:16,319 --> 01:07:19,119 before and there was concern over the 1825 01:07:19,119 --> 01:07:20,400 impact that that would have 1826 01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:24,000 aesthetically on the plaza. Um and so we 1827 01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,880 spoke internally and then uh we spoke 1828 01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:29,680 with the applicant and they were um 1829 01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:32,400 willing to apply for an exception with 1830 01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:36,000 PG& to maintain um the location where it 1831 01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,960 is now which is not visible. Okay. So 1832 01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,920 just two follow-up questions. Um 1833 01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:45,520 so um just a process question. So since 1834 01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:47,839 you already have it in the conditions 1835 01:07:47,839 --> 01:07:51,359 the we if we were to uh recommend a 1836 01:07:51,359 --> 01:07:53,119 motion we wouldn't have to include it. 1837 01:07:53,119 --> 01:07:53,670 >> Correct. 1838 01:07:53,670 --> 01:07:53,680 » Correct. 1839 01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:55,910 >> Okay. The second question I have is 1840 01:07:55,910 --> 01:07:55,920 » Okay. The second question I have is 1841 01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:58,000 around safety and what happened to 1842 01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:00,960 corner 103 with the underground gas 1843 01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:05,039 line. And I I'm do we have any insight 1844 01:08:05,039 --> 01:08:08,799 into whether even though PG& approved 1845 01:08:08,799 --> 01:08:12,400 that that they really refortified that? 1846 01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:15,190 >> That's not a gas vault. That's not gas. 1847 01:08:15,190 --> 01:08:15,200 » That's not a gas vault. That's not gas. 1848 01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:16,960 That it was power. It was 1849 01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:18,229 >> I apologize. I thought it was gas. 1850 01:08:18,229 --> 01:08:18,239 » I apologize. I thought it was gas. 1851 01:08:18,239 --> 01:08:19,910 >> No, it's electricity. 1852 01:08:19,910 --> 01:08:19,920 » No, it's electricity. 1853 01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,390 >> Okay. But again, the an underground the 1854 01:08:22,390 --> 01:08:22,400 » Okay. But again, the an underground the 1855 01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:23,120 underground. 1856 01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,590 >> So, I'll I'll answer that part of it. 1857 01:08:25,590 --> 01:08:25,600 » So, I'll I'll answer that part of it. 1858 01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:29,359 Okay. So, um after that occurred, um PG& 1859 01:08:29,359 --> 01:08:32,480 did come out, reassess um all of the 1860 01:08:32,480 --> 01:08:35,600 vaults, looked for that specific type of 1861 01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:39,199 electric fault and identified those that 1862 01:08:39,199 --> 01:08:42,000 may be within our sidewalks that are of 1863 01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:45,440 that age and type and have already 1864 01:08:45,440 --> 01:08:48,159 looked into updating all of those. And 1865 01:08:48,159 --> 01:08:50,400 so, it's already in process for all of 1866 01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:54,880 that. Um the um the reason why they want 1867 01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,440 them up is really just to read meters 1868 01:08:57,440 --> 01:09:00,239 and accessibility purposes more than 1869 01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:02,799 anything. It's not 1870 01:09:02,799 --> 01:09:04,319 um because of safety. 1871 01:09:04,319 --> 01:09:04,789 >> Okay. 1872 01:09:04,789 --> 01:09:04,799 » Okay. 1873 01:09:04,799 --> 01:09:06,470 >> Thank you so much. 1874 01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:06,480 » Thank you so much. 1875 01:09:06,480 --> 01:09:08,630 >> Great. Any other commissioner questions? 1876 01:09:08,630 --> 01:09:08,640 » Great. Any other commissioner questions? 1877 01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:10,159 Commissioner Bernett? 1878 01:09:10,159 --> 01:09:14,309 >> Um are we being asked to consider the uh 1879 01:09:14,309 --> 01:09:14,319 » Um are we being asked to consider the uh 1880 01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:17,520 color scheme for this in this 1881 01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:18,159 application? 1882 01:09:18,159 --> 01:09:20,709 >> That is within your privy. Yes. 1883 01:09:20,709 --> 01:09:20,719 » That is within your privy. Yes. 1884 01:09:20,719 --> 01:09:24,400 And so were there any I would have liked 1885 01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:26,560 to have seen 1886 01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:31,759 um this color scheme in context with the 1887 01:09:31,759 --> 01:09:35,040 other adjacent properties. 1888 01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:37,349 >> Yeah, that's understandable. Um you can 1889 01:09:37,349 --> 01:09:37,359 » Yeah, that's understandable. Um you can 1890 01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:39,600 see a glimpse of it here or and I can 1891 01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:42,719 also so we have soul desire on the left 1892 01:09:42,719 --> 01:09:46,000 which is the lighter cream and then also 1893 01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:49,679 in the center and then parkside to the 1894 01:09:49,679 --> 01:09:52,880 right. So it would be a tone may perhaps 1895 01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:54,400 it could be referred to as in between 1896 01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:58,080 the two. Um, but I can also we can pull 1897 01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:01,360 up um Google or uh Google Maps right now 1898 01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:03,920 too if if that's something that you want 1899 01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:07,990 >> Well, you know, normally um 1900 01:10:07,990 --> 01:10:08,000 » Well, you know, normally um 1901 01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,480 even just a color change on the plaza 1902 01:10:10,480 --> 01:10:14,880 would trigger a robust discussion. 1903 01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:18,159 Uh not to mention a change in the actual 1904 01:10:18,159 --> 01:10:20,400 structure of the facade, which is this 1905 01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:22,880 what this includes. I'm not in love with 1906 01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:27,440 their wooden um uh canopy or whatever 1907 01:10:27,440 --> 01:10:30,800 you want to call it today. Um and they 1908 01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:32,719 haven't indicated 1909 01:10:32,719 --> 01:10:35,280 what kind of signage. 1910 01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:38,320 Uh OSO does have one of those. We were 1911 01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:41,440 discussing them earlier backlit 1912 01:10:41,440 --> 01:10:44,880 type illuminated signs but there's no 1913 01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:46,960 indication on this as to what kind of 1914 01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:48,640 signage they want to do. 1915 01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:50,550 >> Right. So that was the other component 1916 01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:50,560 » Right. So that was the other component 1917 01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:52,640 that will be they wanted to defer that 1918 01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:54,080 to another application. 1919 01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:57,030 >> Okay. Once again, I'm I'm a little 1920 01:10:57,030 --> 01:10:57,040 » Okay. Once again, I'm I'm a little 1921 01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:59,520 concerned about considering each of 1922 01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:02,800 these pieces in isolation when the 1923 01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:07,920 reality is that um we'll be dealing with 1924 01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:11,679 uh a comprehensive change in the context 1925 01:11:11,679 --> 01:11:14,800 of whatever gets approved as the final 1926 01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,600 approval for this particular location. 1927 01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:20,960 and I'm not seeing a a submittal 1928 01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,520 application that 1929 01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:26,000 um reflects the totality of those 1930 01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,560 changes. So, I'm having a little I'm 1931 01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:30,719 finding myself resisting a little bit 1932 01:11:30,719 --> 01:11:34,080 going ahead without more information to 1933 01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:36,159 put this all of these changes in 1934 01:11:36,159 --> 01:11:37,600 context. 1935 01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:41,669 >> Okay. Um and just to note or clarify, 1936 01:11:41,669 --> 01:11:41,679 » Okay. Um and just to note or clarify, 1937 01:11:41,679 --> 01:11:44,000 the sidewalk seating wouldn't be 1938 01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:45,840 something that would come before you. We 1939 01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:48,159 those do get processed administratively, 1940 01:11:48,159 --> 01:11:51,600 but I understand um your concern in in 1941 01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:55,199 regard to the signage. Um if you'd like 1942 01:11:55,199 --> 01:11:57,520 me to pull up the street view, I can do 1943 01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:00,800 that or whatever you prefer. 1944 01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:03,280 Well, I I wouldn't mind seeing it, and 1945 01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:06,080 I'll have to use my imagination for what 1946 01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:07,840 it would look like with these green 1947 01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:11,280 colors rather than a mocked up composite 1948 01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:15,440 of of how the uh final would look. I 1949 01:12:15,440 --> 01:12:17,360 just I'm just surprised there isn't a 1950 01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:20,400 more complete visual presentation on 1951 01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:31,030 this. 1952 01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:33,520 Do you want to ask if there's any more 1953 01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:35,760 questions and then we can pull it up 1954 01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:36,320 while we're 1955 01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:40,310 >> It seems that there is. Uh vice chair na 1956 01:12:40,310 --> 01:12:40,320 » It seems that there is. Uh vice chair na 1957 01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:44,149 >> uh just clarifying question is OSO and 1958 01:12:44,149 --> 01:12:44,159 » uh just clarifying question is OSO and 1959 01:12:44,159 --> 01:12:46,400 uh is it park side are they related? Are 1960 01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:50,880 they the are they in the same Thank you. 1961 01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:53,350 >> We have questions of staff while we're 1962 01:12:53,350 --> 01:12:53,360 » We have questions of staff while we're 1963 01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:56,000 pulling that up. 1964 01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:58,000 Might this be an opportunity to invite 1965 01:12:58,000 --> 01:12:59,600 the applicant to come forward and 1966 01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:01,040 address the commission if they so 1967 01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:07,990 choose? There's no requirement. 1968 01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:09,280 » Great. And if you just say your name for 1969 01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:10,560 the record, I appreciate it. 1970 01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:13,830 >> David Bush ush. 1971 01:13:13,830 --> 01:13:13,840 » David Bush ush. 1972 01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:15,510 >> Um I mean it's it's a pretty simple 1973 01:13:15,510 --> 01:13:15,520 » Um I mean it's it's a pretty simple 1974 01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:17,199 remodel. It's a restaurant now. It's 1975 01:13:17,199 --> 01:13:19,520 going to remain a restaurant. We're just 1976 01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:21,040 improving the space, making it more 1977 01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:23,679 comfortable. Um, 1978 01:13:23,679 --> 01:13:26,480 improving the facade, I believe. Looks a 1979 01:13:26,480 --> 01:13:30,239 little outdated and a little drab. Um, 1980 01:13:30,239 --> 01:13:31,840 and we really just want to create more 1981 01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:34,159 of a neighborhood restaurant on the 1982 01:13:34,159 --> 01:13:37,760 square, casual place, um, and a much 1983 01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:39,440 more comfortable place. The backyard 1984 01:13:39,440 --> 01:13:41,920 obviously needs improvements. Um, and we 1985 01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:44,400 would love to get some sidewalk seating. 1986 01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:45,679 We just think it makes the place more 1987 01:13:45,679 --> 01:13:48,880 vibrant and, um, 1988 01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:50,640 really attracts people more to the 1989 01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:52,159 square. I think people want to sit 1990 01:13:52,159 --> 01:13:54,560 outside. We hardly ever fill up inside 1991 01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:57,199 when it's nice outside and having tables 1992 01:13:57,199 --> 01:13:59,920 out front like when we had the parklets 1993 01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:01,199 really gave us a lot more life, 1994 01:14:01,199 --> 01:14:02,960 especially on that side of the square 1995 01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:05,199 where it's pretty slow sometimes, 1996 01:14:05,199 --> 01:14:07,760 especially as far as foot traffic goes. 1997 01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:09,280 So, you know, that's the goal for the 1998 01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:11,840 project. Um, 1999 01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,480 we're just a small family business 2000 01:14:14,480 --> 01:14:16,560 doing our best. 2001 01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:22,950 >> Thank you. I appreciate it. 2002 01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:26,560 Uh, thank you for pulling this up. That 2003 01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:32,550 helps me. 2004 01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:34,960 As I say, I wish um it'd been a mockup 2005 01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:37,679 of the colors 2006 01:14:37,679 --> 01:14:40,480 in a, you know, wouldn't be hard to do 2007 01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:45,440 in Photoshop. And uh so I would have 2008 01:14:45,440 --> 01:14:48,400 hoped and expected and I guess my 2009 01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:50,960 position is that 2010 01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:55,920 any changes to the plaza to me 2011 01:14:55,920 --> 01:15:00,880 um demand an extra level of scrutiny and 2012 01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:04,159 consideration. It's just it's just the 2013 01:15:04,159 --> 01:15:07,679 way I'm built. And I'm not opposed to 2014 01:15:07,679 --> 01:15:10,480 change. I happen to enjoy Oso as a 2015 01:15:10,480 --> 01:15:12,159 restaurant. I've eaten there many many 2016 01:15:12,159 --> 01:15:18,320 times and um um but I think that uh 2017 01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:21,920 going forward at least when we have 2018 01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:26,320 changes to a facade of any 2019 01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:30,239 uh plaza business. Uh I would like to 2020 01:15:30,239 --> 01:15:33,760 see those changes rendered in the 2021 01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:36,960 context of where they are their 2022 01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:39,600 neighbors. And I know it'll be extra 2023 01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:41,600 work for applicants. I'm sorry about 2024 01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:44,080 that. But, you know, I uh having worked 2025 01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:47,600 with Photoshop myself for 35 years, it's 2026 01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:51,920 not that hard to do. So, I'll see where 2027 01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:54,000 the rest of the commissioners. 2028 01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:55,270 >> Thank you very much. Any other 2029 01:15:55,270 --> 01:15:55,280 » Thank you very much. Any other 2030 01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:58,719 commissioner comments? Questions? Excuse 2031 01:15:58,719 --> 01:16:02,239 me. Questions? Any more questions? 2032 01:16:02,239 --> 01:16:04,480 No more questions? 2033 01:16:04,480 --> 01:16:08,480 Um, any comments? Excuse me. I need to 2034 01:16:08,480 --> 01:16:10,800 open public comment on this matter. Are 2035 01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:12,239 there any members of the public wishing 2036 01:16:12,239 --> 01:16:13,840 to address the commission on this agenda 2037 01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:17,189 item 2038 01:16:17,199 --> 01:16:20,400 and see? Oh, Mr. Abadilly, state your 2039 01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:20,960 name, please. 2040 01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:23,510 >> JJ Abdily. Um, I'd just like to state 2041 01:16:23,510 --> 01:16:23,520 » JJ Abdily. Um, I'd just like to state 2042 01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:26,080 that uh I think OSO is a real gem of 2043 01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:28,320 restaurant to have on the plaza. It has 2044 01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:30,239 unique offering um different than most 2045 01:16:30,239 --> 01:16:32,159 any other place. It's one of the rare 2046 01:16:32,159 --> 01:16:34,320 places we can still get a bite at 8:59 2047 01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:37,040 p.m., which I really appreciate. And I 2048 01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:38,560 think we all know how hard it is to run 2049 01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:40,880 a restaurant. I I hope the commission 2050 01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:44,080 can help make it a little easier for a 2051 01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:45,760 business owner to run the business the 2052 01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:47,600 way he wants. And from the looks of it, 2053 01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:49,199 I'm not much of a color guy, but I think 2054 01:16:49,199 --> 01:16:51,280 I can I think I can picture like a dark 2055 01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:52,960 dark green, and I think it'll look well 2056 01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:54,719 look good in the context. So, I 2057 01:16:54,719 --> 01:16:56,960 appreciate that. Thank you. 2058 01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:58,950 >> Thank you very much. Any other members 2059 01:16:58,950 --> 01:16:58,960 » Thank you very much. Any other members 2060 01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:01,760 of the public wishing to come address 2061 01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:03,679 the commission? 2062 01:17:03,679 --> 01:17:05,040 Okay, seeing none, I will close the 2063 01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:06,239 public comment and bring it back to the 2064 01:17:06,239 --> 01:17:08,880 commission for comments. 2065 01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:10,640 Commissioners have comments. 2066 01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:12,080 Commissioner O'Neal. 2067 01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:15,430 >> Um, I like the new design. I think that 2068 01:17:15,430 --> 01:17:15,440 » Um, I like the new design. I think that 2069 01:17:15,440 --> 01:17:19,360 that angle is um awkward and I think 2070 01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:21,840 that this is a really clever way to make 2071 01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:23,280 it a little bit more comfortable there. 2072 01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:25,920 And I do really encourage the outdoor 2073 01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:28,080 seating. I think it makes the look more 2074 01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:29,520 vibrant. I think the plaza would look 2075 01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:32,000 more vibrant. I think that the dated 2076 01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:36,239 reclaimed wood um worked 12 years ago 2077 01:17:36,239 --> 01:17:38,400 about when you guys put it in and a 2078 01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:40,719 refresh is a great way to have people 2079 01:17:40,719 --> 01:17:42,560 remember. Oh, Oso. Yeah, I haven't been 2080 01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:44,960 there in a while. So, I actually am 2081 01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:46,560 fully in support of this. I think it's a 2082 01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:48,480 really nice design and I look forward to 2083 01:17:48,480 --> 01:17:50,719 enjoying it. 2084 01:17:50,719 --> 01:17:52,630 >> Thank you, Commissioner Dbok. 2085 01:17:52,630 --> 01:17:52,640 » Thank you, Commissioner Dbok. 2086 01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:56,390 >> Yes. I I also um really like the design 2087 01:17:56,390 --> 01:17:56,400 » Yes. I I also um really like the design 2088 01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:58,480 and I really appreciate Oso as a 2089 01:17:58,480 --> 01:18:01,280 business in Soma um and as a community 2090 01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:04,159 member. Um one thing I hope is that 2091 01:18:04,159 --> 01:18:06,400 somewhere you'll keep the pig the pig 2092 01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:10,870 bear. 2093 01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:13,840 » Thank you. Any other comments? 2094 01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:16,239 Commissioner Willers. Um, Jacob, can you 2095 01:18:16,239 --> 01:18:18,560 pull up or can you pull up the color 2096 01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:20,960 chart that the colors are were actually 2097 01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:22,480 applied for that you have up in the 2098 01:18:22,480 --> 01:18:25,280 corner of the one slide? So I I think 2099 01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:26,960 this is 2100 01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:30,239 to me this is a failing of SketchUp and 2101 01:18:30,239 --> 01:18:32,640 a and the thing we should be paying 2102 01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:35,600 attention to is are these colors because 2103 01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:37,520 I think that the stucco color the paint 2104 01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:40,080 color of the stucco is actually um very 2105 01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:43,199 close a little bit more vibrant than the 2106 01:18:43,199 --> 01:18:46,080 next door neighbor um to the to the 2107 01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:50,480 west. Um, and is it correct that the 2108 01:18:50,480 --> 01:18:56,310 tile is the internal area? 2109 01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:58,960 » Yes. But that that's how it was labeled 2110 01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:01,520 on the plan set. 2111 01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:04,149 >> So does is it the entire al cove? 2112 01:19:04,149 --> 01:19:04,159 » So does is it the entire al cove? 2113 01:19:04,159 --> 01:19:06,470 >> Here we have Sarah who was the applicant 2114 01:19:06,470 --> 01:19:06,480 » Here we have Sarah who was the applicant 2115 01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:08,159 on on behalf of the owners if you don't 2116 01:19:08,159 --> 01:19:08,480 mind. 2117 01:19:08,480 --> 01:19:11,189 >> I'm Sarah. I'm the architect. Uh, so the 2118 01:19:11,189 --> 01:19:11,199 » I'm Sarah. I'm the architect. Uh, so the 2119 01:19:11,199 --> 01:19:12,719 tile would be right behind where the 2120 01:19:12,719 --> 01:19:15,520 seating is and the rest would be painted 2121 01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:17,110 >> to match the tile color. 2122 01:19:17,110 --> 01:19:17,120 » to match the tile color. 2123 01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,750 >> Yes. And I agree the SketchUp colors are 2124 01:19:19,750 --> 01:19:19,760 » Yes. And I agree the SketchUp colors are 2125 01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:22,239 kind of difficult. It's a notoriously 2126 01:19:22,239 --> 01:19:24,159 tricky program with the colors. The top 2127 01:19:24,159 --> 01:19:25,760 right is the best representation of the 2128 01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:28,880 actual colors. So it's darker the 2129 01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:31,520 stuckle color and the tile as well are 2130 01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:34,320 darker than the rendering is showing. 2131 01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:36,550 >> Thank you. 2132 01:19:36,550 --> 01:19:36,560 » Thank you. 2133 01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:39,679 Yeah, I I I think that the you know the 2134 01:19:39,679 --> 01:19:41,360 image that you see of the opening is 2135 01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:43,199 much different than what the final 2136 01:19:43,199 --> 01:19:45,679 appearance is going to be. And so I have 2137 01:19:45,679 --> 01:19:47,679 no trouble with the color selections as 2138 01:19:47,679 --> 01:19:49,440 a design. 2139 01:19:49,440 --> 01:19:51,990 >> Any other comments, 2140 01:19:51,990 --> 01:19:52,000 » Any other comments, 2141 01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:52,709 >> Mr. Bernard? 2142 01:19:52,709 --> 01:19:52,719 » Mr. Bernard? 2143 01:19:52,719 --> 01:19:55,030 >> Okay. So I want to I want to understand 2144 01:19:55,030 --> 01:19:55,040 » Okay. So I want to I want to understand 2145 01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:57,360 the picture we're looking at now with 2146 01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:59,440 the little tables in the front and those 2147 01:19:59,440 --> 01:20:01,760 two versions of greens. These are not 2148 01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:03,760 the accurate colors. Is that what you're 2149 01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:06,480 telling me? So, the colors on the right 2150 01:20:06,480 --> 01:20:08,800 are the accurate colors, which are far 2151 01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:10,320 less 2152 01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:12,159 um 2153 01:20:12,159 --> 01:20:14,400 uh 2154 01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:16,709 >> well, they're they're they're more 2155 01:20:16,709 --> 01:20:16,719 » well, they're they're they're more 2156 01:20:16,719 --> 01:20:18,560 compatible with the neighboring 2157 01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:20,960 properties, but I'm using my imagination 2158 01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:23,199 at this point in order to fill it in, 2159 01:20:23,199 --> 01:20:26,480 which is why I'm concerned that that in 2160 01:20:26,480 --> 01:20:28,560 future applications like this on the 2161 01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:32,159 plaza, we get more detail 2162 01:20:32,159 --> 01:20:34,080 before it comes to this commission. 2163 01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:36,800 because I don't you know I was a graphic 2164 01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:41,040 designer professionally for for 20 years 2165 01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:45,120 uh before I changed careers and um the 2166 01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:47,520 one lesson I learned 2167 01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:50,719 in that craft was don't leave much up to 2168 01:20:50,719 --> 01:20:53,440 the client's imagination because 2169 01:20:53,440 --> 01:20:55,360 everybody imagines things somewhat 2170 01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:57,280 differently. the better that you can 2171 01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:00,000 show in a rendering precisely what it is 2172 01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:02,000 you're intending, the better off you 2173 01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:03,840 are. Otherwise, you run into the 2174 01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:06,239 individual taste of a client that has to 2175 01:21:06,239 --> 01:21:08,000 do with a color that may not be what's 2176 01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:12,400 intended. So going forward, I would I 2177 01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:15,040 would recommend to staff that, you know, 2178 01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:18,960 we not we not have a variation as 2179 01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:20,880 significant as this in terms of 2180 01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:23,120 representation representation of how 2181 01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:24,880 something's going to look when it 2182 01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:26,080 actually is going to look quite 2183 01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:29,840 different. So that being said, um I 2184 01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:32,159 think now that I understand the actual 2185 01:21:32,159 --> 01:21:35,120 colors that are going to be used, I have 2186 01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:38,080 far less concern. And in terms of the 2187 01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:40,239 design and the layout and the removal of 2188 01:21:40,239 --> 01:21:42,320 the existing structures, those are all 2189 01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:45,600 fine with me and I agree with the 2190 01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:47,679 sentiments of the audience. I think the 2191 01:21:47,679 --> 01:21:50,400 that so is a wonderful restaurant to 2192 01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:52,239 have in town and I want to have them 2193 01:21:52,239 --> 01:21:56,000 want to see them continue to succeed. 2194 01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:59,030 >> Great. Thank you. Any other comments? 2195 01:21:59,030 --> 01:21:59,040 » Great. Thank you. Any other comments? 2196 01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:00,629 >> Okay. I will just join in saying that 2197 01:22:00,629 --> 01:22:00,639 » Okay. I will just join in saying that 2198 01:22:00,639 --> 01:22:02,480 I'm supportive of the the changes that 2199 01:22:02,480 --> 01:22:05,920 are proposed in this application. I I I 2200 01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:07,440 will actually joined Commissioner 2201 01:22:07,440 --> 01:22:09,199 Barnett in his comments that I I believe 2202 01:22:09,199 --> 01:22:12,159 that the um plaza facade is deserving of 2203 01:22:12,159 --> 01:22:14,560 a maybe a little higher scrutiny than 2204 01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:18,080 other not as prominently displayed areas 2205 01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:20,960 of our city. But uh what's proposed here 2206 01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:23,040 isn't anything that can't be uh you know 2207 01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:24,880 remedied by a different painkiller in 2208 01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:26,960 the future. So with that I would be 2209 01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:28,880 supportive of uh approving this 2210 01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:31,600 application. 2211 01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:34,639 And with that, there any motions on the 2212 01:22:34,639 --> 01:22:37,280 floor? 2213 01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:39,110 >> A motion to approve. 2214 01:22:39,110 --> 01:22:39,120 » A motion to approve. 2215 01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:43,110 >> Second. Roll call, please. 2216 01:22:43,110 --> 01:22:43,120 » Second. Roll call, please. 2217 01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:44,310 >> Commissioner Willers, 2218 01:22:44,310 --> 01:22:44,320 » Commissioner Willers, 2219 01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:44,790 >> yes. 2220 01:22:44,790 --> 01:22:44,800 » yes. 2221 01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:45,750 >> Commissioner Barnett, 2222 01:22:45,750 --> 01:22:45,760 » Commissioner Barnett, 2223 01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:46,310 >> I. 2224 01:22:46,310 --> 01:22:46,320 » I. 2225 01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:47,669 >> Commissioner Ogerman Jenkins, 2226 01:22:47,669 --> 01:22:47,679 » Commissioner Ogerman Jenkins, 2227 01:22:47,679 --> 01:22:48,070 >> I. 2228 01:22:48,070 --> 01:22:48,080 » I. 2229 01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:49,189 >> Commissioner Donbach, 2230 01:22:49,189 --> 01:22:49,199 » Commissioner Donbach, 2231 01:22:49,199 --> 01:22:49,669 >> yes. 2232 01:22:49,669 --> 01:22:49,679 » yes. 2233 01:22:49,679 --> 01:22:50,709 >> Commissioner O'Neal, 2234 01:22:50,709 --> 01:22:50,719 » Commissioner O'Neal, 2235 01:22:50,719 --> 01:22:51,510 >> yes. 2236 01:22:51,510 --> 01:22:51,520 » yes. 2237 01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:52,709 >> Vice Chair Nent, 2238 01:22:52,709 --> 01:22:52,719 » Vice Chair Nent, 2239 01:22:52,719 --> 01:22:53,110 >> I. 2240 01:22:53,110 --> 01:22:53,120 » I. 2241 01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:54,229 >> Chair Wyrick, 2242 01:22:54,229 --> 01:22:54,239 » Chair Wyrick, 2243 01:22:54,239 --> 01:22:54,709 >> I. 2244 01:22:54,709 --> 01:22:54,719 » I. 2245 01:22:54,719 --> 01:22:57,030 >> The motion passes unanimously. 2246 01:22:57,030 --> 01:22:57,040 » The motion passes unanimously. 2247 01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:59,350 >> Thank you very much. At this time, I 2248 01:22:59,350 --> 01:22:59,360 » Thank you very much. At this time, I 2249 01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:01,360 would call for a fivem minute recess. I 2250 01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:03,920 want to be respectful of the the time 2251 01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:05,920 that uh the members of the audience have 2252 01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:09,600 spent thus far tonight and uh would call 2253 01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:11,920 for a five strict fivem minute recess at 2254 01:23:11,920 --> 01:29:01,110 this time. Thank you. 2255 01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:03,520 members of the public, 2256 01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:05,120 if I can encourage you to take your 2257 01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:12,229 seats, please. 2258 01:29:12,239 --> 01:29:15,120 Director Gates, are you close to being 2259 01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:30,470 prepared? 2260 01:29:30,480 --> 01:29:32,000 Okay. At this point, I will reconvene 2261 01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:34,719 the planning commission meeting and go 2262 01:29:34,719 --> 01:29:38,639 back on the record in item uh 5.2, which 2263 01:29:38,639 --> 01:29:40,480 based on the action earlier will be 2264 01:29:40,480 --> 01:29:42,880 moved to the top of the items for 2265 01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:44,239 discussion portion of our agenda 2266 01:29:44,239 --> 01:29:45,679 tonight. I want to begin by just 2267 01:29:45,679 --> 01:29:47,760 thanking the members of the public who 2268 01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:49,840 have remained here and who have obliged 2269 01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:52,880 us uh after an hour and a half of other 2270 01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:56,239 regular uh calendar agenda items. Um the 2271 01:29:56,239 --> 01:29:58,560 fact that you're here speaks a lot to 2272 01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:00,080 the fact that you believe in this 2273 01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:03,199 process and that you believe in your 2274 01:30:03,199 --> 01:30:07,760 city and uh the fact that there is um a 2275 01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:10,960 pathway forward where I think uh you 2276 01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:13,199 know that there's going to be a there 2277 01:30:13,199 --> 01:30:16,000 can be a happy medium and that uh people 2278 01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:19,920 can be um proud of where we live and um 2279 01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:22,159 so I will reiterate thank you very much 2280 01:30:22,159 --> 01:30:24,719 for being here and being involved. With 2281 01:30:24,719 --> 01:30:26,560 that said, 2282 01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:29,760 we will move forward with 5.2, which is 2283 01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:31,520 discussion of the general plan ad hoc 2284 01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:33,280 committee comments on available draft 2285 01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:35,600 general plan elements. And I will turn 2286 01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:39,440 it over to director Gates. 2287 01:30:39,440 --> 01:30:42,070 >> Thank you. And also based on that 2288 01:30:42,070 --> 01:30:42,080 » Thank you. And also based on that 2289 01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:44,880 reorganization, my understanding is that 2290 01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:47,840 we are going to first focus on the 2291 01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:50,880 discussion around the Soma mixed um 2292 01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:52,320 description. Correct. 2293 01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:55,590 >> That was my understanding. Okay. Um, so, 2294 01:30:55,590 --> 01:30:55,600 » That was my understanding. Okay. Um, so, 2295 01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:59,920 um, to start there, um, and I can bring 2296 01:30:59,920 --> 01:31:02,400 up things that you may request at any 2297 01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:05,120 time, but just to kick it off the 2298 01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:07,199 discussion. So, just as a reminder, on 2299 01:31:07,199 --> 01:31:10,239 January 14th of this year, um, a 2300 01:31:10,239 --> 01:31:11,920 community meeting was held at the 2301 01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:13,920 Vintage House that many of you did 2302 01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:16,159 participate in. It was an agenda 2303 01:31:16,159 --> 01:31:19,679 planning commission um, meeting. 2304 01:31:19,679 --> 01:31:22,159 Um and at that meeting um the goal of 2305 01:31:22,159 --> 01:31:26,719 that was to gather input on what a Soma 2306 01:31:26,719 --> 01:31:29,120 mixuse could look like on the Sebastiani 2307 01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:32,080 property. So participants were asked to 2308 01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:34,239 um participate in a roundt format to 2309 01:31:34,239 --> 01:31:36,480 work together to discuss that potential 2310 01:31:36,480 --> 01:31:38,239 uh uses. 2311 01:31:38,239 --> 01:31:40,880 So each table did color in um different 2312 01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:43,040 land uses on the map and completed a 2313 01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:46,239 land use table to identify the specific 2314 01:31:46,239 --> 01:31:48,000 uses that they would prefer to see in a 2315 01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:50,080 future if a future development was to 2316 01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:52,960 occur. Um at the end each table did 2317 01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:55,360 present their maps to the group and 2318 01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:57,520 those results um for each table were 2319 01:31:57,520 --> 01:31:59,520 uploaded to our general plan website and 2320 01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:01,679 then they were also attached to your um 2321 01:32:01,679 --> 01:32:04,239 staff report. In addition to the maps 2322 01:32:04,239 --> 01:32:05,600 and tables from that meeting, the 2323 01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:07,440 community members were that were unable 2324 01:32:07,440 --> 01:32:09,920 to attend as well as those that did um 2325 01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:11,920 were offered the opportunity to also 2326 01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:14,560 participate in that same exercise. So 2327 01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:17,199 those also um were provided to you and 2328 01:32:17,199 --> 01:32:18,880 attached to the staff report and they 2329 01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:22,400 were available um online um on our 2330 01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:24,560 general plan website. 2331 01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:27,199 So based on the input um and all the 2332 01:32:27,199 --> 01:32:29,280 comments that have been uploaded um 2333 01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:32,080 specifically to the Sebastiani folder um 2334 01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:33,600 we've created one folder in our general 2335 01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:36,320 plan comments just for this purpose um 2336 01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:38,960 based on um just so that we could allow 2337 01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:42,320 for more focused um separation of the 2338 01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:46,320 comments. Um while there were a lot of 2339 01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:48,080 those that participated that would 2340 01:32:48,080 --> 01:32:52,239 rather not see change at all um if the 2341 01:32:52,239 --> 01:32:54,159 change was going to happen that's what 2342 01:32:54,159 --> 01:32:56,719 those maps represented. um the 2343 01:32:56,719 --> 01:32:59,600 Sebastiani, the future land uses that we 2344 01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:02,639 saw the really the focus um and this is 2345 01:33:02,639 --> 01:33:04,960 me summarizing so people may have taken 2346 01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:07,280 different things but um really focusing 2347 01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:09,199 on preserving agriculture and or open 2348 01:33:09,199 --> 01:33:12,000 space where it exists today and to 2349 01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:14,800 increase or create more buffers um using 2350 01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:16,719 landscaping between existing and any 2351 01:33:16,719 --> 01:33:18,480 other commercial or higher density 2352 01:33:18,480 --> 01:33:21,520 housing to preserve the history of the 2353 01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:24,560 Sebastiani Winery. 2354 01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:29,040 um to um if change was to occur. Well, 2355 01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:31,120 again, no change is preferred that the 2356 01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:32,880 commercial hotel or multif family 2357 01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:34,639 development was preferred to be tucked 2358 01:33:34,639 --> 01:33:37,520 away on the sites away from the streets 2359 01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:40,560 and again buffered um from the 2360 01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:42,880 neighboring properties. 2361 01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:45,199 Um also to maintain a small building 2362 01:33:45,199 --> 01:33:46,880 character especially along the street 2363 01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:49,840 edge. And then concerns um were raised 2364 01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:53,120 around noise, traffic, and safety um 2365 01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:55,040 with a new development if that was to 2366 01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:57,120 occur there. 2367 01:33:57,120 --> 01:34:01,199 So based on the input and direction, um 2368 01:34:01,199 --> 01:34:02,880 staff is looking for direction on any 2369 01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:04,800 edits to the proposed cinema mixuse 2370 01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:07,360 description, including the name. Um I 2371 01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:08,320 know a lot of people don't like the 2372 01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:10,400 name, and that's fine, too. Um it's just 2373 01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:13,840 a placeholder. Um but if there's any 2374 01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:16,080 changes at this point, um that's what 2375 01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:18,239 staff is looking for direction from the 2376 01:34:18,239 --> 01:34:22,159 planning commission on. And um again, 2377 01:34:22,159 --> 01:34:27,120 some of the level of detail that um is 2378 01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:29,679 um really would form any future 2379 01:34:29,679 --> 01:34:31,520 development would be part of the zoning 2380 01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:35,040 code. Um which also is um something that 2381 01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:39,120 the general plan ad hoc um group is um 2382 01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:41,840 discussing as well. and that input from 2383 01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:44,800 tonight could also feed that uh 2384 01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:46,800 discussion 2385 01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:49,920 around that future zoning code. So that 2386 01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:53,600 concludes my brief presentation on the 2387 01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:56,800 item. Again, I can bring up anything 2388 01:34:56,800 --> 01:35:00,320 specific that you may want to look at um 2389 01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:02,239 or some of the things that were 2390 01:35:02,239 --> 01:35:05,840 presented. Um there were a number of 2391 01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:09,360 submitts after um so hopefully you had a 2392 01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:11,360 chance to at all of those that were 2393 01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:13,040 uploaded 2394 01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:15,679 um to get different kinds of feedback. 2395 01:35:15,679 --> 01:35:17,840 So with that 2396 01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:20,800 um did want we do have a number of 2397 01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:22,480 people here. I didn't know if you wanted 2398 01:35:22,480 --> 01:35:26,000 to ask me questions and and then do 2399 01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:27,840 public comment before getting into 2400 01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:31,120 discussion or not. 2401 01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:32,709 >> Yes, 2402 01:35:32,709 --> 01:35:32,719 » Yes, 2403 01:35:32,719 --> 01:35:35,760 we can go. Would would there be an 2404 01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:37,679 objection to fielding public comment 2405 01:35:37,679 --> 01:35:39,199 first 2406 01:35:39,199 --> 01:35:47,199 prior to entertaining questions? Yes. 2407 01:35:47,199 --> 01:35:50,709 Yes. 2408 01:35:50,719 --> 01:35:53,120 Has there been a historic resto resource 2409 01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:55,280 evaluation of this site? 2410 01:35:55,280 --> 01:35:57,110 >> Sorry. No, there has not been yet, but 2411 01:35:57,110 --> 01:35:57,120 » Sorry. No, there has not been yet, but 2412 01:35:57,120 --> 01:35:58,400 that would be required with any 2413 01:35:58,400 --> 01:35:59,840 potential development. 2414 01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:03,110 >> Okay. Um, is there any benefit to having 2415 01:36:03,110 --> 01:36:03,120 » Okay. Um, is there any benefit to having 2416 01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:06,560 that completed before we even look at 2417 01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:10,480 the potential of resoning? 2418 01:36:10,480 --> 01:36:12,320 Um, 2419 01:36:12,320 --> 01:36:14,800 so 2420 01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:17,199 even though something is historic 2421 01:36:17,199 --> 01:36:19,440 doesn't mean that development can't 2422 01:36:19,440 --> 01:36:21,600 occur. Correct. Right. So there's an 2423 01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:25,760 environmental process with that. So 2424 01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:28,080 if 2425 01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:31,040 um if anything was proposed on that site 2426 01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:33,600 to change anything, we would require it. 2427 01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:35,360 We're currently in the process of doing 2428 01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:38,239 our uh citywide survey 2429 01:36:38,239 --> 01:36:40,629 >> um for historic resources um to 2430 01:36:40,629 --> 01:36:40,639 » um for historic resources um to 2431 01:36:40,639 --> 01:36:43,120 determine if there are other resources 2432 01:36:43,120 --> 01:36:46,400 in town that haven't been uh identified. 2433 01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:50,320 This is an early California landmark, 2434 01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:52,560 but it's so early that it actually 2435 01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:55,360 doesn't it's not automatically uh on the 2436 01:36:55,360 --> 01:36:57,679 California register. 2437 01:36:57,679 --> 01:36:59,520 Um, so it would need to be actually 2438 01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:01,679 assessed. 2439 01:37:01,679 --> 01:37:04,070 >> Okay. And the reason I'm asking is I'm 2440 01:37:04,070 --> 01:37:04,080 » Okay. And the reason I'm asking is I'm 2441 01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:07,199 I'm thinking that a lot of the property 2442 01:37:07,199 --> 01:37:09,760 is not historic, but certain parts of it 2443 01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:14,320 are truly historic, and it would be I 2444 01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:15,920 would find it very helpful to get 2445 01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:18,480 clarity as to what the different pieces 2446 01:37:18,480 --> 01:37:21,119 are and how we would want to respect 2447 01:37:21,119 --> 01:37:23,760 those going forward. So that's where I 2448 01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:28,870 was coming from. Okay. Thank you. 2449 01:37:28,880 --> 01:37:31,040 questions from the commission. 2450 01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:32,149 >> Mr. Millers, 2451 01:37:32,149 --> 01:37:32,159 » Mr. Millers, 2452 01:37:32,159 --> 01:37:34,629 >> um I just have a general questions for 2453 01:37:34,629 --> 01:37:34,639 » um I just have a general questions for 2454 01:37:34,639 --> 01:37:36,159 for the commission as well as for the 2455 01:37:36,159 --> 01:37:38,880 public so they understand what what are 2456 01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:41,440 the ground rules so to speak in our 2457 01:37:41,440 --> 01:37:44,080 discussion of this item tonight given 2458 01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:47,280 the fact that it's a um general 2459 01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:51,600 discussion of a general plan potential 2460 01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:55,040 zoning change. 2461 01:37:55,040 --> 01:37:56,800 Um, 2462 01:37:56,800 --> 01:37:59,760 so it's not a public hearing for an 2463 01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:02,560 item. It is a discussion, but we're at 2464 01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:04,400 the point in these discussions where 2465 01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:09,520 we're making edits to um the document or 2466 01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:12,239 potentially even the land use map. The 2467 01:38:12,239 --> 01:38:14,480 planning commission is not the deciding 2468 01:38:14,480 --> 01:38:19,040 factor. Um, and again, we would look to 2469 01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:21,280 city council to provide any final 2470 01:38:21,280 --> 01:38:23,040 direction on how we would want to move 2471 01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:26,480 forward on uh any discussion that's 2472 01:38:26,480 --> 01:38:30,719 being had. Um we um staff has just 2473 01:38:30,719 --> 01:38:35,280 scheduled a um item for the city council 2474 01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:38,880 on March the 4th to provide a general 2475 01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:41,520 plan update um with a couple of these 2476 01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:44,800 changes that are presented not um not 2477 01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:48,560 just this but also um the two uh 2478 01:38:48,560 --> 01:38:50,159 requested land use changes that would 2479 01:38:50,159 --> 01:38:52,560 affect the map would be presented as 2480 01:38:52,560 --> 01:38:55,119 well to city council on March 4th for 2481 01:38:55,119 --> 01:38:58,480 final direction so that the EIR studies 2482 01:38:58,480 --> 01:39:00,960 can be finalized um along with that 2483 01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:03,840 draft general plan. 2484 01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:05,510 >> Just a follow-up question to that. So 2485 01:39:05,510 --> 01:39:05,520 » Just a follow-up question to that. So 2486 01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:07,119 fair to say that the planning commission 2487 01:39:07,119 --> 01:39:10,639 in this sense has a acts an advisory 2488 01:39:10,639 --> 01:39:11,679 capacity. 2489 01:39:11,679 --> 01:39:11,990 >> That's correct. 2490 01:39:11,990 --> 01:39:12,000 » That's correct. 2491 01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:13,669 >> And it helps to inform the city council 2492 01:39:13,669 --> 01:39:13,679 » And it helps to inform the city council 2493 01:39:13,679 --> 01:39:15,119 on the direction that they ultimately 2494 01:39:15,119 --> 01:39:16,480 take. Correct. 2495 01:39:16,480 --> 01:39:16,950 >> Correct. 2496 01:39:16,950 --> 01:39:16,960 » Correct. 2497 01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:19,030 >> Okay. Thank you, Commissioner Bernett. 2498 01:39:19,030 --> 01:39:19,040 » Okay. Thank you, Commissioner Bernett. 2499 01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:24,639 Would it be of value and is it our task 2500 01:39:24,639 --> 01:39:27,520 tonight to 2501 01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:30,639 uh edit or modify the language of the 2502 01:39:30,639 --> 01:39:32,400 proposed 2503 01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:34,000 new 2504 01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:37,760 uh land use category? 2505 01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:40,390 >> Yes, that would be within your purview 2506 01:39:40,390 --> 01:39:40,400 » Yes, that would be within your purview 2507 01:39:40,400 --> 01:39:42,800 tonight. That is um part of that 2508 01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:44,480 discussion is what does that how does 2509 01:39:44,480 --> 01:39:48,719 that read? um and um if there's certain 2510 01:39:48,719 --> 01:39:52,159 things missing from it or other edits to 2511 01:39:52,159 --> 01:39:53,920 anything within the land use element 2512 01:39:53,920 --> 01:39:55,840 that we want to have addressed. There's 2513 01:39:55,840 --> 01:39:57,920 the ad hoc has provided some additional 2514 01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:00,560 comments not just on this but in general 2515 01:40:00,560 --> 01:40:02,960 on the land use element specific to 2516 01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:05,119 Sebastiani mixed use. There's been a 2517 01:40:05,119 --> 01:40:08,080 number of questions around 2518 01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:12,159 um a level of specificity that is um not 2519 01:40:12,159 --> 01:40:14,560 typically seen necessarily in a general 2520 01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:17,520 plan. Um and then concerns raised about 2521 01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:19,520 the unknown um about a future 2522 01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:21,679 development project and what would that 2523 01:40:21,679 --> 01:40:24,719 look like? Um, in this case, a general 2524 01:40:24,719 --> 01:40:27,600 plan again sets kind of the higher level 2525 01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:30,000 policy. The zoning code sets um the 2526 01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:32,639 limitations and the box as well as the 2527 01:40:32,639 --> 01:40:38,480 uses that go inside that box. Um but um 2528 01:40:38,480 --> 01:40:42,639 the uh uh I know that there's some 2529 01:40:42,639 --> 01:40:46,080 concern around mixed use and not you 2530 01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:49,840 know having one use or another use um on 2531 01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:53,679 the site um and things like that. So, 2532 01:40:53,679 --> 01:40:58,790 >> so, um, just to further clarify that, 2533 01:40:58,790 --> 01:40:58,800 » so, um, just to further clarify that, 2534 01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:01,119 um, we're talking about 2535 01:41:01,119 --> 01:41:04,159 to we we can talk about tonight the 2536 01:41:04,159 --> 01:41:07,199 specific words included in the 2537 01:41:07,199 --> 01:41:09,199 definition of a new land use 2538 01:41:09,199 --> 01:41:10,800 designation, 2539 01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:14,719 which which specifically isn't a general 2540 01:41:14,719 --> 01:41:17,679 plan land use designation. and it's a 2541 01:41:17,679 --> 01:41:20,480 zoning map designation, but the two have 2542 01:41:20,480 --> 01:41:22,719 become conflated 2543 01:41:22,719 --> 01:41:28,239 in my mind in that u in that the 2544 01:41:28,239 --> 01:41:31,920 new Soma mixed use designation as it's 2545 01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:35,679 been called um has certain allowances in 2546 01:41:35,679 --> 01:41:39,600 it in terms of what it is 2547 01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:43,440 um permitting as possible uses within 2548 01:41:43,440 --> 01:41:46,400 that designation. So, is that on the 2549 01:41:46,400 --> 01:41:48,880 table tonight? A discussion of that 2550 01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:51,040 specific language? 2551 01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:51,750 >> Yes. 2552 01:41:51,750 --> 01:41:51,760 » Yes. 2553 01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:55,669 >> Okay. Thank you. 2554 01:41:55,679 --> 01:41:57,440 » Yeah. Thanks. I I just want to make sure 2555 01:41:57,440 --> 01:42:00,719 I understand. Um, on page 197, you have 2556 01:42:00,719 --> 01:42:03,119 a summary that says Sonoma Sebastian 2557 01:42:03,119 --> 01:42:06,239 property targeted land use framework. Is 2558 01:42:06,239 --> 01:42:10,560 is that is that language from staff 2559 01:42:10,560 --> 01:42:14,550 as a proposed 2560 01:42:14,560 --> 01:42:15,760 I I'm not sure. 2561 01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:16,709 >> Sorry. What page are you on? 2562 01:42:16,709 --> 01:42:16,719 » Sorry. What page are you on? 2563 01:42:16,719 --> 01:42:19,990 >> I think it's 197. 2564 01:42:19,990 --> 01:42:20,000 » I think it's 197. 2565 01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:22,629 >> It says summary Sebastian property 2566 01:42:22,629 --> 01:42:22,639 » It says summary Sebastian property 2567 01:42:22,639 --> 01:42:25,600 targeted land use framework. 2568 01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:30,070 >> I'm looking at the agenda. 2569 01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:32,560 » Okay. I on your computer 2570 01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:35,270 >> page 197 of 286. 2571 01:42:35,270 --> 01:42:35,280 » page 197 of 286. 2572 01:42:35,280 --> 01:42:36,870 >> It's not something that's on the screen 2573 01:42:36,870 --> 01:42:36,880 » It's not something that's on the screen 2574 01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:37,360 though. 2575 01:42:37,360 --> 01:42:37,669 >> No, 2576 01:42:37,669 --> 01:42:37,679 » No, 2577 01:42:37,679 --> 01:42:39,510 >> I don't see anything on the screen. 2578 01:42:39,510 --> 01:42:39,520 » I don't see anything on the screen. 2579 01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:39,830 >> Yeah. 2580 01:42:39,830 --> 01:42:39,840 » Yeah. 2581 01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:41,590 >> Okay. I don't know what it is you're 2582 01:42:41,590 --> 01:42:41,600 » Okay. I don't know what it is you're 2583 01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:43,440 looking at. I'm looking at the agenda, 2584 01:42:43,440 --> 01:42:46,719 page 197, and there's a thing there's a 2585 01:42:46,719 --> 01:42:50,320 there's a under item 5.2 and it says 2586 01:42:50,320 --> 01:42:52,320 summary 2587 01:42:52,320 --> 01:42:55,119 Sebastiani property targeted land use 2588 01:42:55,119 --> 01:42:56,800 framework. That's how it's entitled. 2589 01:42:56,800 --> 01:42:58,629 >> Page 199. 2590 01:42:58,629 --> 01:42:58,639 » Page 199. 2591 01:42:58,639 --> 01:43:01,669 >> Oh, I I'm I apologize. It says 197. 2592 01:43:01,669 --> 01:43:01,679 » Oh, I I'm I apologize. It says 197. 2593 01:43:01,679 --> 01:43:03,590 >> Oh, on mine it says 199. 2594 01:43:03,590 --> 01:43:03,600 » Oh, on mine it says 199. 2595 01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:06,790 >> Okay. Okay. Apologies. 2596 01:43:06,790 --> 01:43:06,800 » Okay. Okay. Apologies. 2597 01:43:06,800 --> 01:43:07,350 >> This one? 2598 01:43:07,350 --> 01:43:07,360 » This one? 2599 01:43:07,360 --> 01:43:07,669 >> Yeah. 2600 01:43:07,669 --> 01:43:07,679 » Yeah. 2601 01:43:07,679 --> 01:43:09,590 >> Yes, that is a public comment. 2602 01:43:09,590 --> 01:43:09,600 » Yes, that is a public comment. 2603 01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:11,510 >> So, the summary is a public comment. 2604 01:43:11,510 --> 01:43:11,520 » So, the summary is a public comment. 2605 01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:11,920 Yes. 2606 01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:13,350 >> Okay. Thank you. I just wanted to 2607 01:43:13,350 --> 01:43:13,360 » Okay. Thank you. I just wanted to 2608 01:43:13,360 --> 01:43:14,639 understand where that language came 2609 01:43:14,639 --> 01:43:18,870 from. Thank you. 2610 01:43:18,880 --> 01:43:24,159 » Yes. So, it ends. So, the me the the one 2611 01:43:24,159 --> 01:43:26,960 that's right above is our summary of the 2612 01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:28,800 land use tables, 2613 01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:29,350 >> right? 2614 01:43:29,350 --> 01:43:29,360 » right? 2615 01:43:29,360 --> 01:43:32,629 >> Um and then where that ends uh ends that 2616 01:43:32,629 --> 01:43:32,639 » Um and then where that ends uh ends that 2617 01:43:32,639 --> 01:43:34,400 um that item, 2618 01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:34,870 >> okay, 2619 01:43:34,870 --> 01:43:34,880 » okay, 2620 01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:37,510 >> that portion of it. and then the rest 2621 01:43:37,510 --> 01:43:37,520 » that portion of it. and then the rest 2622 01:43:37,520 --> 01:43:40,560 are going to be the public comments 2623 01:43:40,560 --> 01:43:42,639 suggestions. 2624 01:43:42,639 --> 01:43:44,550 >> I would also add that this would also be 2625 01:43:44,550 --> 01:43:44,560 » I would also add that this would also be 2626 01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:46,480 the appropriate time to discuss the 2627 01:43:46,480 --> 01:43:48,320 merits of whether a new land use 2628 01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:52,480 designation is appropriate at all. Am I 2629 01:43:52,480 --> 01:43:55,119 correct? 2630 01:43:55,119 --> 01:43:58,390 >> If that is um 2631 01:43:58,390 --> 01:43:58,400 » If that is um 2632 01:43:58,400 --> 01:44:01,280 going to be that's a possibility so it 2633 01:44:01,280 --> 01:44:04,159 can be removed. Um so any changes to the 2634 01:44:04,159 --> 01:44:08,480 land use um map or descriptions are on 2635 01:44:08,480 --> 01:44:09,280 the table. 2636 01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:10,870 >> Okay. 2637 01:44:10,870 --> 01:44:10,880 » Okay. 2638 01:44:10,880 --> 01:44:12,790 >> Yeah. One other comment. I mean I think 2639 01:44:12,790 --> 01:44:12,800 » Yeah. One other comment. I mean I think 2640 01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:15,040 one of one of the things that came up in 2641 01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:18,960 the ad hoc is is whether to call this a 2642 01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:22,000 specific plan because of the site size 2643 01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:26,560 or versus um just adopting zoning. So I 2644 01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:29,600 just adopting the land use by the zoning 2645 01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:31,520 code. And I just wanted to bring that up 2646 01:44:31,520 --> 01:44:34,480 and ask if that's still an opportunity 2647 01:44:34,480 --> 01:44:36,560 for discussion. 2648 01:44:36,560 --> 01:44:39,750 >> Um, everything is open for discussion. 2649 01:44:39,750 --> 01:44:39,760 » Um, everything is open for discussion. 2650 01:44:39,760 --> 01:44:42,080 So, just as a reminder, a specific plan 2651 01:44:42,080 --> 01:44:45,520 is a zoning code. It's just um includes 2652 01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:51,669 more things than just the zoning code. 2653 01:44:51,679 --> 01:44:56,790 » Any other questions? 2654 01:44:56,800 --> 01:45:02,790 » Okay, I have some questions. 2655 01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:05,920 Uh, Jennifer, could you speak to how 2656 01:45:05,920 --> 01:45:11,600 housing laws like, for example, SB35, 2657 01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:16,000 AB 2011, AB130 could potentially be used 2658 01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:18,880 to maximize residential development at 2659 01:45:18,880 --> 01:45:23,600 this site under a mixeduse 2660 01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:25,920 uh designation as it is reflected in the 2661 01:45:25,920 --> 01:45:28,159 proposed language currently. 2662 01:45:28,159 --> 01:45:30,800 So um 2663 01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:33,040 those are actually not about maximizing 2664 01:45:33,040 --> 01:45:35,679 those are just more about um creating a 2665 01:45:35,679 --> 01:45:38,639 ministerial process um around housing 2666 01:45:38,639 --> 01:45:41,760 developments um 2667 01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:43,520 um and they have to meet certain 2668 01:45:43,520 --> 01:45:46,960 standards um don't typically see SB35 2669 01:45:46,960 --> 01:45:52,159 because they actually require um the um 2670 01:45:52,159 --> 01:45:53,760 the 2671 01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:56,239 wage that the word just escaped me. Amy, 2672 01:45:56,239 --> 01:45:58,159 help me here. um 2673 01:45:58,159 --> 01:45:58,950 >> prevailing wage 2674 01:45:58,950 --> 01:45:58,960 » prevailing wage 2675 01:45:58,960 --> 01:46:01,109 >> prevailing thank you um the prevailing 2676 01:46:01,109 --> 01:46:01,119 » prevailing thank you um the prevailing 2677 01:46:01,119 --> 01:46:04,719 wage requirements um and I can't 2678 01:46:04,719 --> 01:46:08,400 remember 2011 is the same way um the one 2679 01:46:08,400 --> 01:46:12,480 that maximizes and what you're thinking 2680 01:46:12,480 --> 01:46:14,400 about when you say maximize is going to 2681 01:46:14,400 --> 01:46:17,840 be density bonus law so any property 2682 01:46:17,840 --> 01:46:21,440 that um is of a certain size and we 2683 01:46:21,440 --> 01:46:23,920 allow a certain density that gets a 2684 01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:27,520 minimum of five units um is allowed a 2685 01:46:27,520 --> 01:46:31,040 density bonus just by law if they 2686 01:46:31,040 --> 01:46:33,679 provide a certain percentage affordable. 2687 01:46:33,679 --> 01:46:36,320 Um they don't have to use the actual 2688 01:46:36,320 --> 01:46:38,960 density increase but they do get 2689 01:46:38,960 --> 01:46:40,960 incentives um a certain number of 2690 01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:42,960 incentives and then unlimited 2691 01:46:42,960 --> 01:46:45,760 concessions and waivers. Um and the idea 2692 01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:47,360 behind that is that by providing that 2693 01:46:47,360 --> 01:46:49,920 affordable you're reducing your ability 2694 01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:54,080 to get your rate. And so, um, sometimes 2695 01:46:54,080 --> 01:46:56,560 you need those waiverss and concessions. 2696 01:46:56,560 --> 01:46:59,520 Um, maybe it's F, maybe it's setback, 2697 01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:01,280 maybe it's height. Uh, it just depends 2698 01:47:01,280 --> 01:47:03,600 on the project itself and what they're 2699 01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:06,639 looking for um to meet that. So, 2700 01:47:06,639 --> 01:47:10,159 anything that has housing pretty much in 2701 01:47:10,159 --> 01:47:12,320 this town that can have five units can 2702 01:47:12,320 --> 01:47:15,199 have a density bonus project. 2703 01:47:15,199 --> 01:47:18,320 Um, so that's really the only law and 2704 01:47:18,320 --> 01:47:20,000 that is a state law and a state 2705 01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:23,760 requirement and it's an uh code as well. 2706 01:47:23,760 --> 01:47:26,390 >> Okay, thank you. 2707 01:47:26,390 --> 01:47:26,400 » Okay, thank you. 2708 01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:28,159 Um 2709 01:47:28,159 --> 01:47:31,760 kind of on that note, 2710 01:47:31,760 --> 01:47:33,840 um 2711 01:47:33,840 --> 01:47:37,189 how could 2712 01:47:37,199 --> 01:47:39,119 h how could a potential developer of 2713 01:47:39,119 --> 01:47:42,000 that site use a concession or one of 2714 01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:45,040 these incentives um to devel could they 2715 01:47:45,040 --> 01:47:48,159 potentially develop 100% housing a 2716 01:47:48,159 --> 01:47:52,709 residential project at at that location? 2717 01:47:52,719 --> 01:47:54,480 So 2718 01:47:54,480 --> 01:47:59,199 50% they could have 50% um density bonus 2719 01:47:59,199 --> 01:48:01,679 but they perhap um I can't remember what 2720 01:48:01,679 --> 01:48:03,040 the percentage is. It depends on what 2721 01:48:03,040 --> 01:48:05,520 level of affordability it is. Um then 2722 01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:09,360 yes they could have a 50% um increase 2723 01:48:09,360 --> 01:48:13,040 um in their density. Um 2724 01:48:13,040 --> 01:48:15,920 typically um 2725 01:48:15,920 --> 01:48:18,880 this city's never seen that. Um I 2726 01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:21,199 personally have never seen that um in my 2727 01:48:21,199 --> 01:48:23,119 other jurisdictions but yeah anything's 2728 01:48:23,119 --> 01:48:24,000 possible 2729 01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:25,669 >> and it's all about what the project is 2730 01:48:25,669 --> 01:48:25,679 » and it's all about what the project is 2731 01:48:25,679 --> 01:48:27,679 and what they need to 2732 01:48:27,679 --> 01:48:29,350 >> to get their project. 2733 01:48:29,350 --> 01:48:29,360 » to get their project. 2734 01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:31,350 >> So 2735 01:48:31,350 --> 01:48:31,360 » So 2736 01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:33,520 thank you for obliging me helping me to 2737 01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:35,600 understand. So waiverss and concessions 2738 01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:38,960 could include things like not having a 2739 01:48:38,960 --> 01:48:42,880 parking standard for example. 2740 01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:45,199 So density bonus automatically 2741 01:48:45,199 --> 01:48:47,440 identifies the parking standards that go 2742 01:48:47,440 --> 01:48:50,320 along with density bonus and we actually 2743 01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:52,320 are consistent with that already in our 2744 01:48:52,320 --> 01:48:56,080 code. Um what you're thinking of is um 2745 01:48:56,080 --> 01:48:57,600 the project that we just approved on 2746 01:48:57,600 --> 01:49:00,560 Montalo their density bonus request was 2747 01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:04,960 um to an increase in their F. Um we've 2748 01:49:04,960 --> 01:49:07,600 seen setback reductions. 2749 01:49:07,600 --> 01:49:12,320 um we see typically um sometimes you see 2750 01:49:12,320 --> 01:49:14,400 height increases 2751 01:49:14,400 --> 01:49:16,159 um 2752 01:49:16,159 --> 01:49:19,520 uh site coverage. Um so they just range 2753 01:49:19,520 --> 01:49:21,520 and basically the idea is that those 2754 01:49:21,520 --> 01:49:24,239 development standards um the standard 2755 01:49:24,239 --> 01:49:25,440 that has to be met is that the 2756 01:49:25,440 --> 01:49:27,520 development standard 2757 01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:29,520 um reduction is allowing the 2758 01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:31,280 affordability of the project to move 2759 01:49:31,280 --> 01:49:33,440 forward in the sense that they're 2760 01:49:33,440 --> 01:49:35,360 providing these affordable units. So, 2761 01:49:35,360 --> 01:49:37,679 it's helping helping them either 2762 01:49:37,679 --> 01:49:40,320 increase that density, get more on the 2763 01:49:40,320 --> 01:49:44,159 site, um maybe spread out across the 2764 01:49:44,159 --> 01:49:45,920 site a little bit differently. 2765 01:49:45,920 --> 01:49:47,510 >> Okay. I guess I'm just trying to get my 2766 01:49:47,510 --> 01:49:47,520 » Okay. I guess I'm just trying to get my 2767 01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:49,520 arms around, you know, for I think it's 2768 01:49:49,520 --> 01:49:51,520 20. Is it 20? We're calling it 22 acres, 2769 01:49:51,520 --> 01:49:52,000 right? 2770 01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:52,709 >> 20. 2771 01:49:52,709 --> 01:49:52,719 » 20. 2772 01:49:52,719 --> 01:49:56,229 >> Okay. So, mixed use, it it allows a 2773 01:49:56,229 --> 01:49:56,239 » Okay. So, mixed use, it it allows a 2774 01:49:56,239 --> 01:49:58,159 residential component in the 2775 01:49:58,159 --> 01:50:00,480 description. That's what mixed use 2776 01:50:00,480 --> 01:50:02,719 intends. 2777 01:50:02,719 --> 01:50:04,159 I'm trying to get my arms around the 2778 01:50:04,159 --> 01:50:07,199 scope of what could be there if a 2779 01:50:07,199 --> 01:50:09,760 developer utilized the tools that are 2780 01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:13,679 available to them to maximize density, 2781 01:50:13,679 --> 01:50:15,840 to maximize 2782 01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:17,760 development. 2783 01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:20,159 Um, 2784 01:50:20,159 --> 01:50:22,480 and that that's where my that's where my 2785 01:50:22,480 --> 01:50:23,760 questions are coming from. I'm trying to 2786 01:50:23,760 --> 01:50:25,119 get my arms around that. I'm trying to 2787 01:50:25,119 --> 01:50:28,560 get a a solid understanding around what 2788 01:50:28,560 --> 01:50:31,760 could potentially be there if they 2789 01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:34,400 potential developer met or crossed the 2790 01:50:34,400 --> 01:50:36,719 threshold that would allow them the 2791 01:50:36,719 --> 01:50:41,600 highest density bonus and the highest uh 2792 01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:43,520 or the the greatest amount of waiverss 2793 01:50:43,520 --> 01:50:45,440 and concessions. What would that look 2794 01:50:45,440 --> 01:50:47,440 like? 2795 01:50:47,440 --> 01:50:49,350 >> Maybe that's too broad a question. Can't 2796 01:50:49,350 --> 01:50:49,360 » Maybe that's too broad a question. Can't 2797 01:50:49,360 --> 01:50:50,159 go there. Okay. 2798 01:50:50,159 --> 01:50:51,990 >> No, it's it's an unknown, right? It's 2799 01:50:51,990 --> 01:50:52,000 » No, it's it's an unknown, right? It's 2800 01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:54,239 all going to come down to what the 2801 01:50:54,239 --> 01:50:56,560 project is and what's being proposed, 2802 01:50:56,560 --> 01:50:57,280 right? 2803 01:50:57,280 --> 01:51:02,719 um what is um that goal of that project 2804 01:51:02,719 --> 01:51:05,199 um every project that I've worked on in 2805 01:51:05,199 --> 01:51:07,600 my other jurisdictions with multif 2806 01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:09,280 family development every single one was 2807 01:51:09,280 --> 01:51:11,600 very different and it all comes down to 2808 01:51:11,600 --> 01:51:14,719 the developer themselves and how they 2809 01:51:14,719 --> 01:51:18,400 develop their properties. Um 2810 01:51:18,400 --> 01:51:20,400 the developers are very different on 2811 01:51:20,400 --> 01:51:22,719 what they're looking for. Um they also 2812 01:51:22,719 --> 01:51:24,320 have different returns on investment, 2813 01:51:24,320 --> 01:51:25,600 right? um depending on what their 2814 01:51:25,600 --> 01:51:27,600 funding streams are. So all those things 2815 01:51:27,600 --> 01:51:29,280 play into what they at the end of the 2816 01:51:29,280 --> 01:51:33,679 day they're going to be asking for. Um 2817 01:51:33,679 --> 01:51:37,760 the aspect of the zoning code too is you 2818 01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:42,080 know what we're trying to do is um 2819 01:51:42,080 --> 01:51:44,880 around this is also 2820 01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:48,000 define the boundaries but also how do we 2821 01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:50,560 incentivize to get what we want out of 2822 01:51:50,560 --> 01:51:52,320 that project. 2823 01:51:52,320 --> 01:51:54,960 Um, is there a way to do that? Maybe, 2824 01:51:54,960 --> 01:51:58,080 maybe not. Um, in that sense of waiverss 2825 01:51:58,080 --> 01:52:01,280 and concessions, but 2826 01:52:01,280 --> 01:52:02,880 um, I'll let developers speak for 2827 01:52:02,880 --> 01:52:06,400 themselves. But, um, 2828 01:52:06,400 --> 01:52:08,480 there are obviously certain cases where 2829 01:52:08,480 --> 01:52:10,400 developers will don't care about 2830 01:52:10,400 --> 01:52:12,800 community um, and just come in for their 2831 01:52:12,800 --> 01:52:16,800 product, but in other cases, some work, 2832 01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:18,639 you know, with that and understand what 2833 01:52:18,639 --> 01:52:21,280 the needs of that community. um at the 2834 01:52:21,280 --> 01:52:22,639 end of the day their project has to be 2835 01:52:22,639 --> 01:52:24,159 marketable to the community. 2836 01:52:24,159 --> 01:52:27,830 >> Sure. So I I guess that inspires a much 2837 01:52:27,830 --> 01:52:27,840 » Sure. So I I guess that inspires a much 2838 01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:29,679 broader question and what tools do we 2839 01:52:29,679 --> 01:52:33,760 have to get what we do want to see? Uh 2840 01:52:33,760 --> 01:52:37,520 we I feel like we've seen this model um 2841 01:52:37,520 --> 01:52:39,040 where 2842 01:52:39,040 --> 01:52:41,840 a developer or an entrepreneur comes and 2843 01:52:41,840 --> 01:52:44,480 they they get a project entitled right 2844 01:52:44,480 --> 01:52:46,880 or a conceptual project entitled and 2845 01:52:46,880 --> 01:52:49,119 then they sell it. 2846 01:52:49,119 --> 01:52:54,239 What mechanisms do we have to tie? 2847 01:52:54,239 --> 01:52:57,760 Maybe that's too broad a question, but 2848 01:52:57,760 --> 01:53:01,119 um I'm trying to understand and I'm 2849 01:53:01,119 --> 01:53:03,440 trying to help the public and my 2850 01:53:03,440 --> 01:53:07,119 commission understand what uh what the 2851 01:53:07,119 --> 01:53:08,560 upsides of this are and what the 2852 01:53:08,560 --> 01:53:15,440 downsides of a reszone are or arts. Um 2853 01:53:15,440 --> 01:53:19,520 fair to say that a reszone 2854 01:53:19,520 --> 01:53:23,520 to what's currently titled as Sonoma 2855 01:53:23,520 --> 01:53:26,400 mixed use commercial 2856 01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:29,840 would open door 2857 01:53:29,840 --> 01:53:32,480 to 2858 01:53:32,480 --> 01:53:36,719 uh state the the impacts of state laws 2859 01:53:36,719 --> 01:53:38,960 that reduces local control over what 2860 01:53:38,960 --> 01:53:41,360 happens there. 2861 01:53:41,360 --> 01:53:45,030 >> Is that is that fair or is that unfair? 2862 01:53:45,030 --> 01:53:45,040 » Is that is that fair or is that unfair? 2863 01:53:45,040 --> 01:53:46,880 So, I'm going to go with it's going to 2864 01:53:46,880 --> 01:53:51,199 be a depends situation. Um, if this was 2865 01:53:51,199 --> 01:53:53,840 a full-on housing reszone to just 2866 01:53:53,840 --> 01:53:57,679 housing, I would say yes. Clearly, yes. 2867 01:53:57,679 --> 01:53:59,760 Um, just because of the way that the 2868 01:53:59,760 --> 01:54:05,599 laws are are now. um the um you know if 2869 01:54:05,599 --> 01:54:07,520 there was only 10 acres or something 2870 01:54:07,520 --> 01:54:10,000 like we have specific regulations and 2871 01:54:10,000 --> 01:54:12,880 there's new ministerial processes um for 2872 01:54:12,880 --> 01:54:14,320 housing multif family housing 2873 01:54:14,320 --> 01:54:18,239 developments in certain instances. Um 2874 01:54:18,239 --> 01:54:21,840 there are also other things um on each 2875 01:54:21,840 --> 01:54:23,760 site that may be different that affect 2876 01:54:23,760 --> 01:54:27,920 that ability to develop. um 2877 01:54:27,920 --> 01:54:29,920 mixed use. The way that we have it 2878 01:54:29,920 --> 01:54:32,639 written is that it's not just a housing 2879 01:54:32,639 --> 01:54:35,599 project. It's housing and commercial, 2880 01:54:35,599 --> 01:54:36,070 >> right? 2881 01:54:36,070 --> 01:54:36,080 » right? 2882 01:54:36,080 --> 01:54:39,990 >> Um there is um a mixed use in density 2883 01:54:39,990 --> 01:54:40,000 » Um there is um a mixed use in density 2884 01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:45,440 bonus that has specific um uh ratios um 2885 01:54:45,440 --> 01:54:50,639 as well as other um aspects of that. Um 2886 01:54:50,639 --> 01:54:54,400 so is it there? Yes. Is it always going 2887 01:54:54,400 --> 01:54:57,920 to be there? Yes. Um at this time frame 2888 01:54:57,920 --> 01:55:00,320 in the foreseeable future uh the state 2889 01:55:00,320 --> 01:55:01,760 is going to continue to move in this 2890 01:55:01,760 --> 01:55:05,599 motion. Um they've already I mean it's 2891 01:55:05,599 --> 01:55:07,040 already been said that even shopping 2892 01:55:07,040 --> 01:55:10,960 centers um can be changed to housing. Um 2893 01:55:10,960 --> 01:55:12,480 so 2894 01:55:12,480 --> 01:55:16,639 in this case the 2895 01:55:16,639 --> 01:55:20,560 the city can take the the front end of 2896 01:55:20,560 --> 01:55:23,040 it and say okay this is what we want 2897 01:55:23,040 --> 01:55:28,560 with change. Um or you don't have change 2898 01:55:28,560 --> 01:55:31,199 and maybe in the future somebody wants 2899 01:55:31,199 --> 01:55:34,000 to come and make that change and then 2900 01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:36,320 then you're getting a proposal of 2901 01:55:36,320 --> 01:55:37,920 something that you would then be 2902 01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:42,159 reviewing as a proposal. Would 2903 01:55:42,159 --> 01:55:44,320 the elimination of a residential 2904 01:55:44,320 --> 01:55:46,320 component 2905 01:55:46,320 --> 01:55:51,760 in what's allowed in the zone 2906 01:55:51,760 --> 01:55:53,920 help to 2907 01:55:53,920 --> 01:55:56,719 protect I'll use the word protect our 2908 01:55:56,719 --> 01:55:59,440 community from the impacts of what I 2909 01:55:59,440 --> 01:56:03,840 consider overreaching state laws? 2910 01:56:03,840 --> 01:56:05,350 >> So 2911 01:56:05,350 --> 01:56:05,360 » So 2912 01:56:05,360 --> 01:56:09,360 if you have no housing and you just 2913 01:56:09,360 --> 01:56:11,679 continue to allow commercial or expanded 2914 01:56:11,679 --> 01:56:14,800 commercial potential. Um then yeah, you 2915 01:56:14,800 --> 01:56:17,199 wouldn't have 2916 01:56:17,199 --> 01:56:20,000 per se those I'd have to look 2917 01:56:20,000 --> 01:56:23,599 specifically at that commercial uh 2918 01:56:23,599 --> 01:56:25,280 process, but 2919 01:56:25,280 --> 01:56:27,669 >> Okay. Feel like I've had the microphone 2920 01:56:27,669 --> 01:56:27,679 » Okay. Feel like I've had the microphone 2921 01:56:27,679 --> 01:56:30,239 for a long time. I'm willing to uh let 2922 01:56:30,239 --> 01:56:31,840 anybody else get in here who's 2923 01:56:31,840 --> 01:56:33,119 interested in Commissioner Don. 2924 01:56:33,119 --> 01:56:34,790 >> Yeah. I have a couple follow-up 2925 01:56:34,790 --> 01:56:34,800 » Yeah. I have a couple follow-up 2926 01:56:34,800 --> 01:56:36,880 questions to that. I mean um the first 2927 01:56:36,880 --> 01:56:38,880 question is even if it's a commercially 2928 01:56:38,880 --> 01:56:40,880 zoned property, you can still build 2929 01:56:40,880 --> 01:56:43,280 residential property on that. Correct. 2930 01:56:43,280 --> 01:56:46,629 >> Unless we spec specifically state in 2931 01:56:46,629 --> 01:56:46,639 » Unless we spec specifically state in 2932 01:56:46,639 --> 01:56:49,440 this zone type that there's no housing 2933 01:56:49,440 --> 01:56:53,840 allowed in our commercial zone. So let's 2934 01:56:53,840 --> 01:56:56,159 say we just in the same sense that here 2935 01:56:56,159 --> 01:56:57,920 we've identified it to be a special 2936 01:56:57,920 --> 01:57:00,159 zone. Right now it is a wine production 2937 01:57:00,159 --> 01:57:03,199 zone and it has its only one uh in the 2938 01:57:03,199 --> 01:57:06,480 city. um and it has its specific uses 2939 01:57:06,480 --> 01:57:08,880 that are allowed. So if you added 2940 01:57:08,880 --> 01:57:13,040 additional commercial types to that then 2941 01:57:13,040 --> 01:57:16,159 and didn't include residential, our res 2942 01:57:16,159 --> 01:57:18,719 our commercial and our mixed use zones 2943 01:57:18,719 --> 01:57:21,520 do allow multifamily residential in them 2944 01:57:21,520 --> 01:57:24,000 and have identified a density. That 2945 01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:26,639 doesn't mean that 2946 01:57:26,639 --> 01:57:30,080 um you didn't you have to. 2947 01:57:30,080 --> 01:57:32,629 >> Okay. And and the second question, you 2948 01:57:32,629 --> 01:57:32,639 » Okay. And and the second question, you 2949 01:57:32,639 --> 01:57:35,920 know, um the public came and they and 2950 01:57:35,920 --> 01:57:37,599 I've looked at the tables and they've 2951 01:57:37,599 --> 01:57:40,159 put their preferences down and in other 2952 01:57:40,159 --> 01:57:44,880 of our um our uh municipal code for 2953 01:57:44,880 --> 01:57:46,800 other designations of land use, we have 2954 01:57:46,800 --> 01:57:49,440 these tables that we allow things to be 2955 01:57:49,440 --> 01:57:51,840 permitted or use permit or not 2956 01:57:51,840 --> 01:57:53,760 permitted. And I think that that's 2957 01:57:53,760 --> 01:57:59,440 something that um we use, we understand, 2958 01:57:59,440 --> 01:58:02,960 and seems like um a lever that the city 2959 01:58:02,960 --> 01:58:05,679 can use to really designate 2960 01:58:05,679 --> 01:58:10,560 like other land use um parcels what we 2961 01:58:10,560 --> 01:58:13,440 what we accept and don't accept. So with 2962 01:58:13,440 --> 01:58:15,040 the input that we've received from the 2963 01:58:15,040 --> 01:58:18,560 public around that kind of use table 2964 01:58:18,560 --> 01:58:20,800 is that one mechanism where we can 2965 01:58:20,800 --> 01:58:23,199 actually kind of construct what's 2966 01:58:23,199 --> 01:58:24,960 allowed and not allowed on the parcels 2967 01:58:24,960 --> 01:58:29,679 and um along that line there are several 2968 01:58:29,679 --> 01:58:32,000 small parcels in the 20 acres. Correct. 2969 01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:33,280 And we talked about it there's some that 2970 01:58:33,280 --> 01:58:35,360 are more agg and some that have a winery 2971 01:58:35,360 --> 01:58:38,320 and and um there was a request for 2972 01:58:38,320 --> 01:58:40,719 preservation of that winery the the 2973 01:58:40,719 --> 01:58:43,840 historic portion. So, 2974 01:58:43,840 --> 01:58:48,400 how do we how do we craft that into a 2975 01:58:48,400 --> 01:58:51,199 code? Um, you know, there's a table of 2976 01:58:51,199 --> 01:58:56,790 use, but how do we craft the subparcals? 2977 01:58:56,800 --> 01:58:59,840 Sorry. Is your is your question is there 2978 01:58:59,840 --> 01:59:02,719 a way to modify allowable or allowed 2979 01:59:02,719 --> 01:59:06,159 uses in the existing zone to achieve 2980 01:59:06,159 --> 01:59:09,199 what we see as the will of the 2981 01:59:09,199 --> 01:59:11,599 community? Well, that's I I that's why, 2982 01:59:11,599 --> 01:59:14,080 you know, I brought up kind of a a sight 2983 01:59:14,080 --> 01:59:16,239 specific plan because this is a unique 2984 01:59:16,239 --> 01:59:19,679 property. It's 20 acres. It has multiple 2985 01:59:19,679 --> 01:59:23,840 components to it. And um we've heard the 2986 01:59:23,840 --> 01:59:26,080 summary from the public that some areas 2987 01:59:26,080 --> 01:59:28,400 want to be buffered. We want, you know, 2988 01:59:28,400 --> 01:59:31,599 we want to have some A. I saw that there 2989 01:59:31,599 --> 01:59:33,280 was residential that people were okay 2990 01:59:33,280 --> 01:59:36,000 with and certain kinds of commercial. So 2991 01:59:36,000 --> 01:59:37,920 I think that from my perspective reading 2992 01:59:37,920 --> 01:59:41,520 all of that, we do have a framework and 2993 01:59:41,520 --> 01:59:43,360 I'm just wondering how we put that 2994 01:59:43,360 --> 01:59:47,840 framework into this unique parcel um by 2995 01:59:47,840 --> 01:59:50,639 designating different areas if we can do 2996 01:59:50,639 --> 01:59:55,119 that as part of this um unique 2997 01:59:55,119 --> 01:59:57,599 code. You know, because what we have 2998 01:59:57,599 --> 02:00:00,239 here is like I'm not sure if somebody 2999 02:00:00,239 --> 02:00:02,719 could bulldoze the Sebastiani 3000 02:00:02,719 --> 02:00:04,080 building or they could take that 3001 02:00:04,080 --> 02:00:07,520 building and make a m a multi- uh family 3002 02:00:07,520 --> 02:00:09,599 unit. That that's what I'm not clear 3003 02:00:09,599 --> 02:00:12,239 about. So, are there ways that part of 3004 02:00:12,239 --> 02:00:15,199 the part of the area would be uh 3005 02:00:15,199 --> 02:00:17,920 designated commercial or residential, 3006 02:00:17,920 --> 02:00:20,400 part would be designated open space? 3007 02:00:20,400 --> 02:00:22,560 That's what I'm I'm not clear of what 3008 02:00:22,560 --> 02:00:26,159 what levers we have as um a city to help 3009 02:00:26,159 --> 02:00:27,520 direct that. 3010 02:00:27,520 --> 02:00:30,470 >> Yeah. I ask a clarifying question of 3011 02:00:30,470 --> 02:00:30,480 » Yeah. I ask a clarifying question of 3012 02:00:30,480 --> 02:00:32,000 commissioner. 3013 02:00:32,000 --> 02:00:35,760 Um are you basically asking whether or 3014 02:00:35,760 --> 02:00:39,199 not it's possible to have multiple land 3015 02:00:39,199 --> 02:00:43,119 use designations applied to this overall 3016 02:00:43,119 --> 02:00:45,760 20 acres rather than a single 3017 02:00:45,760 --> 02:00:47,679 designation? Is that the question you're 3018 02:00:47,679 --> 02:00:49,199 asking? I guess my question is since 3019 02:00:49,199 --> 02:00:51,760 we're this is a new designation, are 3020 02:00:51,760 --> 02:00:54,000 there ways that we can specify just like 3021 02:00:54,000 --> 02:00:55,840 we did with four corners, are there ways 3022 02:00:55,840 --> 02:00:58,719 that we can have a a a specific 3023 02:00:58,719 --> 02:01:01,760 specification of what can be in that 3024 02:01:01,760 --> 02:01:02,480 parcel? 3025 02:01:02,480 --> 02:01:04,310 >> Well, no parcels. Yeah. 3026 02:01:04,310 --> 02:01:04,320 » Well, no parcels. Yeah. 3027 02:01:04,320 --> 02:01:07,270 >> No, I understand we're we're that that 3028 02:01:07,270 --> 02:01:07,280 » No, I understand we're we're that that 3029 02:01:07,280 --> 02:01:09,360 was related to the issue I brought up 3030 02:01:09,360 --> 02:01:12,239 earlier about, you know, modifying the 3031 02:01:12,239 --> 02:01:14,639 language of the proposed designation. 3032 02:01:14,639 --> 02:01:17,440 But I hear underlying your question, the 3033 02:01:17,440 --> 02:01:20,719 question is rather than having one 3034 02:01:20,719 --> 02:01:24,800 designation apply to the 20 acres, 3035 02:01:24,800 --> 02:01:28,400 can we instead is there an option to 3036 02:01:28,400 --> 02:01:32,239 create multiple land use designation 3037 02:01:32,239 --> 02:01:35,679 within those 20 acres? I guess that's an 3038 02:01:35,679 --> 02:01:43,990 alternative way to do it. So, 3039 02:01:44,000 --> 02:01:45,360 » it's probably not ideal, but 3040 02:01:45,360 --> 02:01:47,669 >> it is not ideal. Um, it's not good 3041 02:01:47,669 --> 02:01:47,679 » it is not ideal. Um, it's not good 3042 02:01:47,679 --> 02:01:50,560 planning practice. Um, we actually have 3043 02:01:50,560 --> 02:01:52,639 an area of town where we have two land 3044 02:01:52,639 --> 02:01:56,480 uses on same parcels. Per law, those 3045 02:01:56,480 --> 02:01:58,719 zoning, those setbacks and things have 3046 02:01:58,719 --> 02:02:03,360 to occur um from the actual location of 3047 02:02:03,360 --> 02:02:05,840 this arbitrary line that's not actually 3048 02:02:05,840 --> 02:02:10,960 a parcel line. Um and it doesn't quite 3049 02:02:10,960 --> 02:02:13,280 work the way you would think. The other 3050 02:02:13,280 --> 02:02:18,000 aspect is we cannot down zone. 3051 02:02:18,000 --> 02:02:21,599 So you can't take away the development 3052 02:02:21,599 --> 02:02:24,719 rights of these parcels that already 3053 02:02:24,719 --> 02:02:27,360 have development rights to make them 3054 02:02:27,360 --> 02:02:34,159 open space. Um the aspect that is 3055 02:02:34,159 --> 02:02:36,960 more difficult in the conversation has 3056 02:02:36,960 --> 02:02:41,440 been because of the variety I would say 3057 02:02:41,440 --> 02:02:46,000 of uh parcel sizes, shapes 3058 02:02:46,000 --> 02:02:48,880 um historic uses. Um the railroad 3059 02:02:48,880 --> 02:02:50,320 corridor went through here, right? So 3060 02:02:50,320 --> 02:02:52,960 that's why we have little slivers um of 3061 02:02:52,960 --> 02:02:54,639 parcels. 3062 02:02:54,639 --> 02:02:58,480 Um and so 3063 02:02:58,480 --> 02:03:00,560 there's 3064 02:03:00,560 --> 02:03:03,119 the idea behind a mixed use and having 3065 02:03:03,119 --> 02:03:06,239 one is that when somebody comes forward 3066 02:03:06,239 --> 02:03:11,040 with the um a subdivision or new parcel 3067 02:03:11,040 --> 02:03:14,080 map and reorganizes all the lines or 3068 02:03:14,080 --> 02:03:16,719 reduces the number of lines 3069 02:03:16,719 --> 02:03:19,760 that you have one zone already. When you 3070 02:03:19,760 --> 02:03:24,239 have two zones, the fun begins. Um, and 3071 02:03:24,239 --> 02:03:26,719 where those lines are. 3072 02:03:26,719 --> 02:03:28,960 Um, 3073 02:03:28,960 --> 02:03:33,119 so that is the reasoning behind applying 3074 02:03:33,119 --> 02:03:38,239 a broader um zone criteria to such a 3075 02:03:38,239 --> 02:03:42,159 variety of parcels at this point. 3076 02:03:42,159 --> 02:03:45,750 Um, 3077 02:03:45,760 --> 02:03:48,960 I in my head cannot envision how we 3078 02:03:48,960 --> 02:03:51,360 would separate 3079 02:03:51,360 --> 02:03:54,000 the parcels 3080 02:03:54,000 --> 02:03:57,920 by use type. 3081 02:03:57,920 --> 02:03:58,709 >> Mr. Millers, 3082 02:03:58,709 --> 02:03:58,719 » Mr. Millers, 3083 02:03:58,719 --> 02:04:01,109 >> therein lies the rub. 3084 02:04:01,109 --> 02:04:01,119 » therein lies the rub. 3085 02:04:01,119 --> 02:04:03,270 >> We live in a community that is exactly 3086 02:04:03,270 --> 02:04:03,280 » We live in a community that is exactly 3087 02:04:03,280 --> 02:04:06,080 what you're talking about. And yet law 3088 02:04:06,080 --> 02:04:08,000 wants us to create a community where 3089 02:04:08,000 --> 02:04:09,840 everything's perfect. 3090 02:04:09,840 --> 02:04:12,709 >> All one color here, all one color there. 3091 02:04:12,709 --> 02:04:12,719 » All one color here, all one color there. 3092 02:04:12,719 --> 02:04:15,119 And we live in a tapestry. We don't live 3093 02:04:15,119 --> 02:04:18,080 in the one color there, one color here. 3094 02:04:18,080 --> 02:04:20,480 And so compatibility 3095 02:04:20,480 --> 02:04:22,639 is the tapestry. 3096 02:04:22,639 --> 02:04:25,599 Law is the one color. And we're 3097 02:04:25,599 --> 02:04:27,840 struggling because we have a we have one 3098 02:04:27,840 --> 02:04:30,960 of the largest parcels aggregated, one 3099 02:04:30,960 --> 02:04:32,960 of the largest parcels in our community 3100 02:04:32,960 --> 02:04:36,000 to deal with. and it doesn't feel right 3101 02:04:36,000 --> 02:04:40,000 to put one thing on it that allows all 3102 02:04:40,000 --> 02:04:41,760 kinds of things because we don't know 3103 02:04:41,760 --> 02:04:46,639 what that future is. And and so that to 3104 02:04:46,639 --> 02:04:50,800 me is the real issue on on this parcel 3105 02:04:50,800 --> 02:04:53,119 or these parcels I should say and we 3106 02:04:53,119 --> 02:04:55,679 should continue to save these parcels 3107 02:04:55,679 --> 02:04:58,880 even though it's one zone as a as a wine 3108 02:04:58,880 --> 02:05:02,080 production zone zone primarily because 3109 02:05:02,080 --> 02:05:04,159 that's what was happening on the at the 3110 02:05:04,159 --> 02:05:07,599 time and made it conforming. 3111 02:05:07,599 --> 02:05:10,800 Um, it's difficult because all of those 3112 02:05:10,800 --> 02:05:15,280 issues that are raised by taking the 3113 02:05:15,280 --> 02:05:17,280 taking what would normally be a series 3114 02:05:17,280 --> 02:05:20,080 of small parcels and allowing something 3115 02:05:20,080 --> 02:05:22,320 to happen on the 20 acre parcel in our 3116 02:05:22,320 --> 02:05:25,280 community is not the tapestry that we 3117 02:05:25,280 --> 02:05:28,080 live in. And so, um, I've been 3118 02:05:28,080 --> 02:05:30,239 struggling with this and it's the first 3119 02:05:30,239 --> 02:05:32,159 opportunity we have to talk about it, 3120 02:05:32,159 --> 02:05:34,560 but there's so many external forces on 3121 02:05:34,560 --> 02:05:37,360 it that it really takes, in my opinion, 3122 02:05:37,360 --> 02:05:39,040 it's going to take very careful 3123 02:05:39,040 --> 02:05:42,880 consideration and applying a single zone 3124 02:05:42,880 --> 02:05:45,840 to all of the parcels doesn't feel 3125 02:05:45,840 --> 02:05:47,760 right. And I think it needs more study 3126 02:05:47,760 --> 02:05:53,440 to do it correctly. Um, and 3127 02:05:53,440 --> 02:05:55,189 >> yeah, and I'd like to add to that. I 3128 02:05:55,189 --> 02:05:55,199 » yeah, and I'd like to add to that. I 3129 02:05:55,199 --> 02:05:56,960 mean, I'll put it out there. I'm a 3130 02:05:56,960 --> 02:06:00,159 Strong Towns fan, and I really do think 3131 02:06:00,159 --> 02:06:03,599 that this that, you know, that infill um 3132 02:06:03,599 --> 02:06:06,480 that we had in the early part of last 3133 02:06:06,480 --> 02:06:09,679 century, it is more compatible with with 3134 02:06:09,679 --> 02:06:11,679 this town. And if there's a way that we 3135 02:06:11,679 --> 02:06:14,000 can really roll up our sleeves and 3136 02:06:14,000 --> 02:06:17,360 figure out how to I know it's hard, but 3137 02:06:17,360 --> 02:06:20,400 the current design standards, good 3138 02:06:20,400 --> 02:06:22,960 planning may not be good planning. you 3139 02:06:22,960 --> 02:06:24,639 know, it's just kind of what we've all 3140 02:06:24,639 --> 02:06:28,639 accepted over the last century. So, I I 3141 02:06:28,639 --> 02:06:31,280 would um I want to solve this problem. I 3142 02:06:31,280 --> 02:06:33,599 I want it to be good for this community. 3143 02:06:33,599 --> 02:06:35,599 H want housing, want commercial that's 3144 02:06:35,599 --> 02:06:37,280 compatible, 3145 02:06:37,280 --> 02:06:40,079 open space. So, I I really would love us 3146 02:06:40,079 --> 02:06:43,679 to to be able to do what's practical and 3147 02:06:43,679 --> 02:06:48,480 what's feasible for this 20 acres um of 3148 02:06:48,480 --> 02:06:52,719 land that we have. Um, and I I I 3149 02:06:52,719 --> 02:06:54,639 still would like it to be a very 3150 02:06:54,639 --> 02:06:59,119 specific kind of zoning. 3151 02:06:59,119 --> 02:07:01,430 >> So, seems like we're kind of getting 3152 02:07:01,430 --> 02:07:01,440 » So, seems like we're kind of getting 3153 02:07:01,440 --> 02:07:03,840 away from questions, which is okay. But, 3154 02:07:03,840 --> 02:07:06,480 um, do right. I want to give I want to 3155 02:07:06,480 --> 02:07:09,360 start a good round of of uh of public 3156 02:07:09,360 --> 02:07:12,320 comment here. Are there any final um 3157 02:07:12,320 --> 02:07:14,079 maybe broader questions from the 3158 02:07:14,079 --> 02:07:16,800 commission of of Director Gates before 3159 02:07:16,800 --> 02:07:19,040 we jump into public comment? 3160 02:07:19,040 --> 02:07:20,079 Commissioner Millers. 3161 02:07:20,079 --> 02:07:23,510 >> So if we left it as wine production 3162 02:07:23,510 --> 02:07:23,520 » So if we left it as wine production 3163 02:07:23,520 --> 02:07:27,760 and made no change to the parcel parcels 3164 02:07:27,760 --> 02:07:34,390 um and a 3165 02:07:34,400 --> 02:07:38,000 uh I can say a developer, we'll just put 3166 02:07:38,000 --> 02:07:40,239 it that way. The developer decided that 3167 02:07:40,239 --> 02:07:43,679 they wanted to take on the 20 20 acres 3168 02:07:43,679 --> 02:07:48,159 of land and come forward with a project. 3169 02:07:48,159 --> 02:07:51,040 It would simply require if it included 3170 02:07:51,040 --> 02:07:52,719 things that are not in the wine 3171 02:07:52,719 --> 02:07:55,040 production zone, it would require a 3172 02:07:55,040 --> 02:08:00,079 general plan amendment to allow a 3173 02:08:00,079 --> 02:08:03,920 project that is acceptable at the 3174 02:08:03,920 --> 02:08:06,880 community level if it met those 3175 02:08:06,880 --> 02:08:09,119 standards to make the general plan 3176 02:08:09,119 --> 02:08:11,040 amendment. 3177 02:08:11,040 --> 02:08:15,040 So you would probably do a general plan 3178 02:08:15,040 --> 02:08:18,320 amendment with either 3179 02:08:18,320 --> 02:08:22,000 specific plan that you want or a new 3180 02:08:22,000 --> 02:08:25,679 designation with that zoning. 3181 02:08:25,679 --> 02:08:27,270 >> But the evaluation of that project 3182 02:08:27,270 --> 02:08:27,280 » But the evaluation of that project 3183 02:08:27,280 --> 02:08:29,199 wouldn't be dependent on the zoning. It 3184 02:08:29,199 --> 02:08:31,280 would be dependent on the application. 3185 02:08:31,280 --> 02:08:31,589 >> Correct. 3186 02:08:31,589 --> 02:08:31,599 » Correct. 3187 02:08:31,599 --> 02:08:32,709 >> And the review. 3188 02:08:32,709 --> 02:08:32,719 » And the review. 3189 02:08:32,719 --> 02:08:33,510 >> Correct. 3190 02:08:33,510 --> 02:08:33,520 » Correct. 3191 02:08:33,520 --> 02:08:33,910 >> So 3192 02:08:33,910 --> 02:08:33,920 » So 3193 02:08:33,920 --> 02:08:36,550 >> as one total project. as one total 3194 02:08:36,550 --> 02:08:36,560 » as one total project. as one total 3195 02:08:36,560 --> 02:08:37,520 project 3196 02:08:37,520 --> 02:08:40,069 >> including subdivision yards. 3197 02:08:40,069 --> 02:08:40,079 » including subdivision yards. 3198 02:08:40,079 --> 02:08:42,149 >> But the but the city at that point would 3199 02:08:42,149 --> 02:08:42,159 » But the but the city at that point would 3200 02:08:42,159 --> 02:08:45,360 not be setting the precedent for the 3201 02:08:45,360 --> 02:08:48,079 development of the property and thereby 3202 02:08:48,079 --> 02:08:53,589 wouldn't be um 3203 02:08:53,599 --> 02:08:55,920 wouldn't have to accept an application 3204 02:08:55,920 --> 02:08:58,560 if it was non-conforming. 3205 02:08:58,560 --> 02:08:59,669 >> Well, it wouldn't be non-conforming 3206 02:08:59,669 --> 02:08:59,679 » Well, it wouldn't be non-conforming 3207 02:08:59,679 --> 02:09:01,199 because it didn't exist. Well, 3208 02:09:01,199 --> 02:09:03,119 non-conforming being that it isn't wine 3209 02:09:03,119 --> 02:09:04,719 production and doesn't you and it 3210 02:09:04,719 --> 02:09:06,880 doesn't meet the uses of the land that 3211 02:09:06,880 --> 02:09:10,320 way. You know, it's, you know, people 3212 02:09:10,320 --> 02:09:12,400 can propose whatever they'd like to 3213 02:09:12,400 --> 02:09:14,320 propose and the community can come out 3214 02:09:14,320 --> 02:09:15,920 and say yes, we like that or no, we 3215 02:09:15,920 --> 02:09:18,079 don't, but we don't have to define our 3216 02:09:18,079 --> 02:09:22,560 laws on on proposals. And so, so in my 3217 02:09:22,560 --> 02:09:25,280 mind is if we don't change the zoning, 3218 02:09:25,280 --> 02:09:30,639 we have a quasi derelict land use. 3219 02:09:30,639 --> 02:09:34,719 Um but it doesn't have the a potential 3220 02:09:34,719 --> 02:09:37,199 negative impact of 3221 02:09:37,199 --> 02:09:41,199 of all of the things that you chair have 3222 02:09:41,199 --> 02:09:42,719 brought up and that is we have a very 3223 02:09:42,719 --> 02:09:45,840 aggressive state housing law. We have 3224 02:09:45,840 --> 02:09:47,760 very aggressive state housing laws right 3225 02:09:47,760 --> 02:09:50,320 now that don't allow very much community 3226 02:09:50,320 --> 02:09:54,320 input and and while we all want housing, 3227 02:09:54,320 --> 02:09:56,079 we all want to be able to also know what 3228 02:09:56,079 --> 02:09:57,679 that's going to be and how to control 3229 02:09:57,679 --> 02:09:59,760 it. and we don't have a lot of 3230 02:09:59,760 --> 02:10:03,920 discretion as soon as we open that box. 3231 02:10:03,920 --> 02:10:06,079 So, you know, I I'm just asking that 3232 02:10:06,079 --> 02:10:08,880 because in some ways the protective 3233 02:10:08,880 --> 02:10:16,149 thing is to leave it as it is. 3234 02:10:16,159 --> 02:10:21,270 » Did I have a question mark on the end? 3235 02:10:21,280 --> 02:10:22,000 » I said yes. 3236 02:10:22,000 --> 02:10:25,430 >> Oh, you said yes. Okay. 3237 02:10:25,430 --> 02:10:25,440 » Oh, you said yes. Okay. 3238 02:10:25,440 --> 02:10:27,119 At this point, I would like to give the 3239 02:10:27,119 --> 02:10:30,000 public a stab at coming and addressing 3240 02:10:30,000 --> 02:10:31,679 this issue. There's enough hot air up 3241 02:10:31,679 --> 02:10:33,520 here as it is. So, we'll turn that down 3242 02:10:33,520 --> 02:10:35,360 for a minute and uh turn it over to the 3243 02:10:35,360 --> 02:10:38,239 public. And I'll just remind everyone if 3244 02:10:38,239 --> 02:10:41,920 uh we're tonight because of the uh the 3245 02:10:41,920 --> 02:10:43,599 audience members here in attendance, 3246 02:10:43,599 --> 02:10:45,520 we're going to try to abide by our three 3247 02:10:45,520 --> 02:10:49,520 minute maximum. And um another way to 3248 02:10:49,520 --> 02:10:51,760 show support for the comments of someone 3249 02:10:51,760 --> 02:10:53,360 who's at the podium is to raise your 3250 02:10:53,360 --> 02:10:57,840 hand. Um, we I pay attention to that and 3251 02:10:57,840 --> 02:11:00,159 um we'll go ahead and move forward. So, 3252 02:11:00,159 --> 02:11:01,520 if you could state your name, please. 3253 02:11:01,520 --> 02:11:02,000 Thank you. 3254 02:11:02,000 --> 02:11:04,950 >> Janet Bole. B as in boy. O Y L E. Good 3255 02:11:04,950 --> 02:11:04,960 » Janet Bole. B as in boy. O Y L E. Good 3256 02:11:04,960 --> 02:11:06,239 thing I talk fast. Even though my blood 3257 02:11:06,239 --> 02:11:07,920 sugar is dropping, I'm going to talk in 3258 02:11:07,920 --> 02:11:10,400 faster. Um, unlimited concessions and 3259 02:11:10,400 --> 02:11:12,880 waivers. Scares the heck out of me. Um, 3260 02:11:12,880 --> 02:11:14,480 and it is five parcels. We shouldn't 3261 02:11:14,480 --> 02:11:16,880 have to treat it all as one. Uh, I like 3262 02:11:16,880 --> 02:11:19,360 tapestry. That is the world. So, okay. 3263 02:11:19,360 --> 02:11:21,040 Uh, good evening. My name is Janet Bole 3264 02:11:21,040 --> 02:11:22,159 and I'm here to provide comment on the 3265 02:11:22,159 --> 02:11:23,920 proposed land use change for Sebastian 3266 02:11:23,920 --> 02:11:26,239 parcels. After attending the January 3267 02:11:26,239 --> 02:11:28,159 14th public meeting, it is clear that 3268 02:11:28,159 --> 02:11:30,000 many engaged residents have serious 3269 02:11:30,000 --> 02:11:32,400 concerns about redesating this site in 3270 02:11:32,400 --> 02:11:35,360 total. So as Sonoma mixeduse, the 3271 02:11:35,360 --> 02:11:36,960 consistent theme was that the 3272 02:11:36,960 --> 02:11:38,639 designation feels too broad, too 3273 02:11:38,639 --> 02:11:40,719 undefined for a property with this level 3274 02:11:40,719 --> 02:11:42,960 of historic significance and community 3275 02:11:42,960 --> 02:11:46,159 impact. For that reason, I respectfully 3276 02:11:46,159 --> 02:11:48,239 urge the city to designate the Spastiani 3277 02:11:48,239 --> 02:11:50,159 site as a special planning area rather 3278 02:11:50,159 --> 02:11:51,440 than applying this newly created 3279 02:11:51,440 --> 02:11:53,280 mixeduse category before any specific 3280 02:11:53,280 --> 02:11:55,040 project has been proposed. We're getting 3281 02:11:55,040 --> 02:11:56,800 the cart before the horse. A special 3282 02:11:56,800 --> 02:11:59,280 planning or area would allow the city to 3283 02:11:59,280 --> 02:12:01,760 evaluate actual sight specific proposals 3284 02:12:01,760 --> 02:12:03,520 when they are submitted instead of 3285 02:12:03,520 --> 02:12:05,760 pre-approving a wide range of uses in 3286 02:12:05,760 --> 02:12:08,400 advance. This is not an unusual request. 3287 02:12:08,400 --> 02:12:10,239 Across California, sensitive and 3288 02:12:10,239 --> 02:12:12,079 historic sites are commonly governed 3289 02:12:12,079 --> 02:12:13,599 through sight specific planning 3290 02:12:13,599 --> 02:12:16,079 frameworks rather than broad mixeduse 3291 02:12:16,079 --> 02:12:17,679 designations. 3292 02:12:17,679 --> 02:12:20,000 My concern is practical. Under current 3293 02:12:20,000 --> 02:12:22,320 state housing laws, once zoning and land 3294 02:12:22,320 --> 02:12:24,560 use standards are adopted, cities are 3295 02:12:24,560 --> 02:12:26,000 often required to approve projects with 3296 02:12:26,000 --> 02:12:28,320 very li limited ability to deny or 3297 02:12:28,320 --> 02:12:30,239 modify them. We just saw this play out 3298 02:12:30,239 --> 02:12:32,079 last week in St. Helina. The city 3299 02:12:32,079 --> 02:12:33,840 attorney explained that once they their 3300 02:12:33,840 --> 02:12:35,760 zoning was changed, the city had to 3301 02:12:35,760 --> 02:12:37,760 approve the project. In fact, the mayor 3302 02:12:37,760 --> 02:12:40,000 expressed in quotes 3303 02:12:40,000 --> 02:12:41,920 quote deeply he was deeply 3304 02:12:41,920 --> 02:12:43,920 disappointment that this project was not 3305 02:12:43,920 --> 02:12:45,280 really delivering what our community 3306 02:12:45,280 --> 02:12:47,119 needed. However, he had to approve it. 3307 02:12:47,119 --> 02:12:49,280 Um, we all know the Sebastiani property 3308 02:12:49,280 --> 02:12:51,040 is special. A special planning area 3309 02:12:51,040 --> 02:12:52,560 designation would allow the city to 3310 02:12:52,560 --> 02:12:55,360 define sub areas, preserve agricultural 3311 02:12:55,360 --> 02:12:57,840 and historic elements, establish clear 3312 02:12:57,840 --> 02:12:59,360 limits, and ensure the development 3313 02:12:59,360 --> 02:13:01,360 aligns with infrastructure and fire and 3314 02:13:01,360 --> 02:13:03,599 evacuation realities. Just like what 3315 02:13:03,599 --> 02:13:05,679 happened last week in St. in Helina once 3316 02:13:05,679 --> 02:13:07,760 a broad designation is adopted that 3317 02:13:07,760 --> 02:13:10,560 prudent management may be lost. There is 3318 02:13:10,560 --> 02:13:13,679 a broader uh uh implication if this 3319 02:13:13,679 --> 02:13:15,679 precedent is set here in the city. Think 3320 02:13:15,679 --> 02:13:19,040 about 27 acres at Cherry Block. If we 3321 02:13:19,040 --> 02:13:22,239 approve this this if the city classifies 3322 02:13:22,239 --> 02:13:24,079 this land use as a proposal, the county 3323 02:13:24,079 --> 02:13:25,760 could follow suit. I met I took the 3324 02:13:25,760 --> 02:13:27,199 initiative. I met with our supervisor 3325 02:13:27,199 --> 02:13:29,599 Hermaceia and she was not able to assure 3326 02:13:29,599 --> 02:13:32,079 me that such an expansion is unlikely. 3327 02:13:32,079 --> 02:13:35,280 So current, think about it. 50 acres in 3328 02:13:35,280 --> 02:13:38,159 our backyard could be all development. 3329 02:13:38,159 --> 02:13:39,920 This is a slippery slope. Let's wait 3330 02:13:39,920 --> 02:13:42,000 till the proposal is presented. I got 22 3331 02:13:42,000 --> 02:13:43,920 seconds. Okay. We currently have over 3332 02:13:43,920 --> 02:13:45,920 1,200 signatures on petition calling for 3333 02:13:45,920 --> 02:13:48,000 responsible land use. Responsible land 3334 02:13:48,000 --> 02:13:49,840 use does not mean no. It means 3335 02:13:49,840 --> 02:13:51,679 evaluating each proposal carefully, 3336 02:13:51,679 --> 02:13:53,679 transparently, and on merits when it is 3337 02:13:53,679 --> 02:13:55,440 actually before us. Therefore, I 3338 02:13:55,440 --> 02:13:57,440 respectfully request that we designate 3339 02:13:57,440 --> 02:14:00,320 the bastion as a special area planning. 3340 02:14:00,320 --> 02:14:00,960 Thank you, 3341 02:14:00,960 --> 02:14:03,669 >> Miss Bole. I'm impressed. Two seconds to 3342 02:14:03,669 --> 02:14:03,679 » Miss Bole. I'm impressed. Two seconds to 3343 02:14:03,679 --> 02:14:05,760 spare. 3344 02:14:05,760 --> 02:14:07,199 Sir, if you come forward, please, and 3345 02:14:07,199 --> 02:14:08,239 state your name. Thank you. 3346 02:14:08,239 --> 02:14:09,750 >> Yeah. Hi, I'm John Edelman, and thank 3347 02:14:09,750 --> 02:14:09,760 » Yeah. Hi, I'm John Edelman, and thank 3348 02:14:09,760 --> 02:14:11,440 you for letting me speak to you tonight. 3349 02:14:11,440 --> 02:14:12,639 So, I'm going to be brief. I've 3350 02:14:12,639 --> 02:14:14,800 submitted this before, but I want to to 3351 02:14:14,800 --> 02:14:16,320 you in writing, but I'm going to read it 3352 02:14:16,320 --> 02:14:19,199 to you. So, a case against the proposed 3353 02:14:19,199 --> 02:14:21,040 uh mixeduse changes to the Sebastian 3354 02:14:21,040 --> 02:14:23,199 property. Uh the proposed general land 3355 02:14:23,199 --> 02:14:25,440 use plan changes allow mixeduse 3356 02:14:25,440 --> 02:14:27,599 development on historic Seab Sebastian 3357 02:14:27,599 --> 02:14:29,599 properties to represent a fundamental 3358 02:14:29,599 --> 02:14:31,599 departure from Sonoma's adopted planning 3359 02:14:31,599 --> 02:14:33,760 principles community values and public 3360 02:14:33,760 --> 02:14:35,679 safety obligations while exposing 3361 02:14:35,679 --> 02:14:37,520 taxpayers to unknown and potentially 3362 02:14:37,520 --> 02:14:39,840 substantial infrastructure costs and 3363 02:14:39,840 --> 02:14:42,000 insurance related costs. Framed as an 3364 02:14:42,000 --> 02:14:44,159 economic solution, the proposal rests as 3365 02:14:44,159 --> 02:14:46,239 an optimistic assumptions that are 3366 02:14:46,239 --> 02:14:48,639 unlikely to materialize and would 3367 02:14:48,639 --> 02:14:50,480 instead produce irreversible harm. 3368 02:14:50,480 --> 02:14:52,480 increased wildfire risk, evacuation 3369 02:14:52,480 --> 02:14:54,800 failures, loss of agricultural land, 3370 02:14:54,800 --> 02:14:57,360 historic resources, erosion of Sonoma's 3371 02:14:57,360 --> 02:14:59,920 identity and the sense of place, retail 3372 02:14:59,920 --> 02:15:02,159 bleed possibly from the historic core 3373 02:15:02,159 --> 02:15:03,599 and a precedent that undermines 3374 02:15:03,599 --> 02:15:05,599 integrity of the uh general land use 3375 02:15:05,599 --> 02:15:09,840 plan itself and all goals uh uh LU 2, 3376 02:15:09,840 --> 02:15:11,440 three, four, and five when you read 3377 02:15:11,440 --> 02:15:13,679 them. Apply it. Applying a single 3378 02:15:13,679 --> 02:15:15,440 mixeduse designation as we just spoke 3379 02:15:15,440 --> 02:15:17,199 and everybody in the room did with a 3380 02:15:17,199 --> 02:15:18,800 wide residential density range to 3381 02:15:18,800 --> 02:15:21,440 Sebastian properties departs from common 3382 02:15:21,440 --> 02:15:23,679 California planning practice for 3383 02:15:23,679 --> 02:15:25,280 historically significant fire 3384 02:15:25,280 --> 02:15:27,040 constrained and partially operational 3385 02:15:27,040 --> 02:15:29,760 sites. Um comparable jurisdictions 3386 02:15:29,760 --> 02:15:31,599 typically rely on sight specific 3387 02:15:31,599 --> 02:15:34,560 planning thank you um tools to manage 3388 02:15:34,560 --> 02:15:37,280 sensitive properties, limit residential 3389 02:15:37,280 --> 02:15:38,960 intensity and preserve historic and 3390 02:15:38,960 --> 02:15:41,920 agricultural assets. uh blanket zoning 3391 02:15:41,920 --> 02:15:44,159 approach risks irreversible impacts on a 3392 02:15:44,159 --> 02:15:46,239 site that functions as a historic winery 3393 02:15:46,239 --> 02:15:49,360 and agricultural campus. Uh it offers 3394 02:15:49,360 --> 02:15:50,800 the current owners and potential futures 3395 02:15:50,800 --> 02:15:52,719 investors a vacant redevelopment 3396 02:15:52,719 --> 02:15:54,480 opportunity. Do we want to do that is 3397 02:15:54,480 --> 02:15:57,360 the real question. Uh, critically, the 3398 02:15:57,360 --> 02:15:59,280 proposal ignores viable and safer 3399 02:15:59,280 --> 02:16:01,199 alternatives already available to the 3400 02:16:01,199 --> 02:16:03,360 city, including vacant parcels along 3401 02:16:03,360 --> 02:16:05,199 established commercial corridors and the 3402 02:16:05,199 --> 02:16:07,280 adaptive reuse or repurposing of 3403 02:16:07,280 --> 02:16:08,800 outdated commercial buildings for 3404 02:16:08,800 --> 02:16:11,920 residential and mixed residential uses. 3405 02:16:11,920 --> 02:16:13,520 It also fails to account for the likely 3406 02:16:13,520 --> 02:16:15,520 bleeding of the retail and uh visitor 3407 02:16:15,520 --> 02:16:17,280 serving uses away from the plaza 3408 02:16:17,280 --> 02:16:18,960 Broadway and existing commercial 3409 02:16:18,960 --> 02:16:21,280 districts, weakening Sonoma's historic 3410 02:16:21,280 --> 02:16:24,719 commercial core. The treatise sort of 3411 02:16:24,719 --> 02:16:26,320 consolidates the principal arguments 3412 02:16:26,320 --> 02:16:28,000 raised by citizens, experts, and 3413 02:16:28,000 --> 02:16:30,079 community stakeholders and sets forth a 3414 02:16:30,079 --> 02:16:32,719 clear alternative path. So I that's what 3415 02:16:32,719 --> 02:16:35,599 I would say is a clear alternative path 3416 02:16:35,599 --> 02:16:36,960 to recognizing development, 3417 02:16:36,960 --> 02:16:39,439 preservation, transparency and adherence 3418 02:16:39,439 --> 02:16:41,439 of the adopted plan that you already 3419 02:16:41,439 --> 02:16:45,200 have. Um risks of a pro profit 3420 02:16:45,200 --> 02:16:47,439 extraction by out of area development 3421 02:16:47,439 --> 02:16:50,080 interests is a a real reason. the 3422 02:16:50,080 --> 02:16:51,760 permanent loss of historic buildings, 3423 02:16:51,760 --> 02:16:53,679 the agricultural land loss, and the 3424 02:16:53,679 --> 02:16:56,319 Sonoma way of life. So, I urge you to 3425 02:16:56,319 --> 02:16:59,679 reconsider this blanket mixeduse plan 3426 02:16:59,679 --> 02:17:01,439 and let a developer come forward with a 3427 02:17:01,439 --> 02:17:02,960 plan that's acceptable for the community 3428 02:17:02,960 --> 02:17:05,359 and propose it here in front of you all. 3429 02:17:05,359 --> 02:17:06,399 Thank you for your time. 3430 02:17:06,399 --> 02:17:08,150 >> Thank you, Mr. I appreciate your 3431 02:17:08,150 --> 02:17:08,160 » Thank you, Mr. I appreciate your 3432 02:17:08,160 --> 02:17:10,160 comments. 3433 02:17:10,160 --> 02:17:13,270 Sir, 3434 02:17:13,280 --> 02:17:15,840 » good evening. Uh, my name is Marty 3435 02:17:15,840 --> 02:17:20,240 Bennett Bennett TT. I'm a longtime 3436 02:17:20,240 --> 02:17:21,920 consultant for the hotel workers 3437 02:17:21,920 --> 02:17:25,519 unionite here local too. I've lived in 3438 02:17:25,519 --> 02:17:28,479 the city for more than 30 years. 3439 02:17:28,479 --> 02:17:31,200 I urge that the general plan draft land 3440 02:17:31,200 --> 02:17:34,240 use element conditionally permit any new 3441 02:17:34,240 --> 02:17:37,679 hotels and that you require a study 3442 02:17:37,679 --> 02:17:40,479 demonstrating that the hotel would not 3443 02:17:40,479 --> 02:17:42,160 increase the demand for affordable 3444 02:17:42,160 --> 02:17:43,679 housing. 3445 02:17:43,679 --> 02:17:45,920 Hotels can increase demand for 3446 02:17:45,920 --> 02:17:48,240 affordable housing because they often 3447 02:17:48,240 --> 02:17:52,319 pay workers low wages, few benefits, and 3448 02:17:52,319 --> 02:17:54,479 these are not sufficient to live in the 3449 02:17:54,479 --> 02:17:57,760 valley. In 2025, the California 3450 02:17:57,760 --> 02:18:00,080 Employment Development Department 3451 02:18:00,080 --> 02:18:03,760 reported that entrylevel Sonoma County 3452 02:18:03,760 --> 02:18:07,840 hotel housekeepers earn 1832 an hour and 3453 02:18:07,840 --> 02:18:11,200 an annual income of about 38,000. 3454 02:18:11,200 --> 02:18:14,960 However, MIT economists calculate that 3455 02:18:14,960 --> 02:18:17,840 in Soma County, two full-time working 3456 02:18:17,840 --> 02:18:21,040 parents with two children each need to 3457 02:18:21,040 --> 02:18:24,960 earn $33 an hour or an annual income of 3458 02:18:24,960 --> 02:18:26,479 $108,000 3459 02:18:26,479 --> 02:18:29,920 before taxes to cover basic expenses, 3460 02:18:29,920 --> 02:18:31,840 food, housing, health care, 3461 02:18:31,840 --> 02:18:35,840 transportation, and child care. In 2025, 3462 02:18:35,840 --> 02:18:38,479 United Ways of California reported that 3463 02:18:38,479 --> 02:18:40,800 nearly onethird of households in Sonoma 3464 02:18:40,800 --> 02:18:43,599 County are working poor, meaning at 3465 02:18:43,599 --> 02:18:46,080 least one member earns income from work 3466 02:18:46,080 --> 02:18:49,200 but still can't cover basic expenses. 3467 02:18:49,200 --> 02:18:51,439 Most hotel workers and their families 3468 02:18:51,439 --> 02:18:53,760 are working poor, struggling to make 3469 02:18:53,760 --> 02:18:57,280 ends meet. The UC Berkeley Labor Center 3470 02:18:57,280 --> 02:18:59,439 studies revealed that if service sector 3471 02:18:59,439 --> 02:19:02,960 workers wages are so low, many will be 3472 02:19:02,960 --> 02:19:05,120 forced to commute to less expensive 3473 02:19:05,120 --> 02:19:07,920 housing markets in Solano, Lake 3474 02:19:07,920 --> 02:19:10,639 Mendescino counties, particularly given 3475 02:19:10,639 --> 02:19:13,439 the long-term trend of stagnant wages 3476 02:19:13,439 --> 02:19:16,080 and raising rents. 3477 02:19:16,080 --> 02:19:18,399 Commutes roughly double for costburden 3478 02:19:18,399 --> 02:19:20,800 renters who move to more affordable 3479 02:19:20,800 --> 02:19:24,000 housing markets. If hotel workers rent 3480 02:19:24,000 --> 02:19:27,040 locally, many will live in overcrowded 3481 02:19:27,040 --> 02:19:29,840 housing, impacting family health and 3482 02:19:29,840 --> 02:19:31,280 their children's educational 3483 02:19:31,280 --> 02:19:32,800 achievement. 3484 02:19:32,800 --> 02:19:36,559 In addition, many low-wage hotel workers 3485 02:19:36,559 --> 02:19:38,240 will be forced to rely on public 3486 02:19:38,240 --> 02:19:41,599 subsidies like medical, cow works, and 3487 02:19:41,599 --> 02:19:44,719 food stamps because of low wages. Thank 3488 02:19:44,719 --> 02:19:47,120 you very much. 3489 02:19:47,120 --> 02:19:52,150 >> Thank you, Mr. Bennett. 3490 02:19:52,160 --> 02:19:54,319 Hello, I'm Sonia Caribel. I'm also with 3491 02:19:54,319 --> 02:19:56,080 the hotel workers union, Unite Here 3492 02:19:56,080 --> 02:19:58,160 Local 2. Um, I submitted a letter and 3493 02:19:58,160 --> 02:19:59,439 I'm going to read from that. Um, 3494 02:19:59,439 --> 02:20:01,520 although maybe condense it a tiny bit. 3495 02:20:01,520 --> 02:20:04,880 Um, so, uh, again, my name is Sonia 3496 02:20:04,880 --> 02:20:06,720 Carabel and I'm with Here Local 2, the 3497 02:20:06,720 --> 02:20:08,560 hotel workers union for the Bay Area 3498 02:20:08,560 --> 02:20:10,560 including Sonoma County. We represent 3499 02:20:10,560 --> 02:20:12,160 workers at the Fairmont Sonoma Mission 3500 02:20:12,160 --> 02:20:14,640 Inn, Hyatt Regency Santa Rosa, AC Hotel 3501 02:20:14,640 --> 02:20:16,800 Santa Rosa, and Pedaluma Sherin. Our 3502 02:20:16,800 --> 02:20:18,960 sister local, Unite Here at 49, rep 3503 02:20:18,960 --> 02:20:20,240 represents workers at the Great and 3504 02:20:20,240 --> 02:20:22,080 Casino and Resort. Together, we 3505 02:20:22,080 --> 02:20:23,920 represent around 1500 hospitality 3506 02:20:23,920 --> 02:20:26,000 workers in Sonoma County. Our mission is 3507 02:20:26,000 --> 02:20:27,680 to improve working conditions and build 3508 02:20:27,680 --> 02:20:29,200 worker power in the hospitality 3509 02:20:29,200 --> 02:20:32,000 industry. Uh, this draft used land 3510 02:20:32,000 --> 02:20:33,840 element, draft land use element creates 3511 02:20:33,840 --> 02:20:35,439 the new Sonoma mixed commercial use 3512 02:20:35,439 --> 02:20:37,520 designation on the Sebastian Winery 3513 02:20:37,520 --> 02:20:39,040 site, permitting mixeduse housing and 3514 02:20:39,040 --> 02:20:40,720 commercial development. We have no 3515 02:20:40,720 --> 02:20:42,080 problem with denser mixeduse 3516 02:20:42,080 --> 02:20:43,520 development. Our members struggle to 3517 02:20:43,520 --> 02:20:45,439 find affordable housing and we support 3518 02:20:45,439 --> 02:20:47,359 building housing particularly when it is 3519 02:20:47,359 --> 02:20:50,240 affordable to hotel workers. However, we 3520 02:20:50,240 --> 02:20:52,240 are skeptical about permitting hotels as 3521 02:20:52,240 --> 02:20:54,399 part of this new zoning designation. We 3522 02:20:54,399 --> 02:20:56,319 are in a housing crisis, not a hotel's 3523 02:20:56,319 --> 02:20:58,479 crisis. A mixeduse development with 3524 02:20:58,479 --> 02:21:00,080 housing and groundf flooror commercial 3525 02:21:00,080 --> 02:21:01,600 could help to alleviate the housing 3526 02:21:01,600 --> 02:21:04,080 crisis in Soma. However, a hotel could 3527 02:21:04,080 --> 02:21:05,840 make the problem worse if it creates 3528 02:21:05,840 --> 02:21:07,600 low-wage jobs without creating enough 3529 02:21:07,600 --> 02:21:10,000 affordable housing to offset demand. 3530 02:21:10,000 --> 02:21:12,240 Hotel jobs in the Sonoma Valley usually 3531 02:21:12,240 --> 02:21:14,479 pay low wages, which means workers 3532 02:21:14,479 --> 02:21:16,319 generally cannot afford decent housing 3533 02:21:16,319 --> 02:21:19,120 nearby. Soma's economy is already very 3534 02:21:19,120 --> 02:21:21,120 tourism focused, and this has led to 3535 02:21:21,120 --> 02:21:23,520 extreme inequality. We don't need more 3536 02:21:23,520 --> 02:21:25,600 bad tourism jobs. We need more housing 3537 02:21:25,600 --> 02:21:28,319 for workers. The draft land use element 3538 02:21:28,319 --> 02:21:30,240 says of the Soma mixeduse commercial 3539 02:21:30,240 --> 02:21:32,560 designation, allowed uses may include 3540 02:21:32,560 --> 02:21:34,560 wine production, agricultural uses, 3541 02:21:34,560 --> 02:21:37,120 hotels, and other visitor serving uses. 3542 02:21:37,120 --> 02:21:39,520 Um, we suggest that hotels, if they are 3543 02:21:39,520 --> 02:21:41,439 permitted at all, be conditionally 3544 02:21:41,439 --> 02:21:43,680 permitted so that the specific impacts 3545 02:21:43,680 --> 02:21:45,920 of the hotel on the local economy can be 3546 02:21:45,920 --> 02:21:48,240 evaluated. If they are simply permitted 3547 02:21:48,240 --> 02:21:50,160 by right, there will be no opportunity 3548 02:21:50,160 --> 02:21:51,840 for the public and local officials to 3549 02:21:51,840 --> 02:21:53,920 weigh in other than potentially on the 3550 02:21:53,920 --> 02:21:56,080 design of the hotel. Uh we have a 3551 02:21:56,080 --> 02:21:57,840 suggested amendment uh which says 3552 02:21:57,840 --> 02:21:59,280 allowed uses may include wine 3553 02:21:59,280 --> 02:22:01,040 production, agricultural uses, hotels 3554 02:22:01,040 --> 02:22:03,359 and other visiting serving uses with the 3555 02:22:03,359 --> 02:22:05,600 addition hotels will be a conditionally 3556 02:22:05,600 --> 02:22:08,160 permitted use with a required study that 3557 02:22:08,160 --> 02:22:10,160 demonstrates that the hotel would not 3558 02:22:10,160 --> 02:22:11,920 increase overall demand for affordable 3559 02:22:11,920 --> 02:22:14,640 housing in Soma. Thank you. 3560 02:22:14,640 --> 02:22:20,150 >> Thank you very much. 3561 02:22:20,160 --> 02:22:22,000 » Hi. Hi commissioners. My name is Becky 3562 02:22:22,000 --> 02:22:25,200 Sager. It's s a g- e r. Um I'm going to 3563 02:22:25,200 --> 02:22:26,880 assume as they often do in these 3564 02:22:26,880 --> 02:22:27,920 meetings that you've read the 3565 02:22:27,920 --> 02:22:31,359 submissions and I could I I I've sent 3566 02:22:31,359 --> 02:22:33,760 one in. I've sent many in and I couldn't 3567 02:22:33,760 --> 02:22:35,359 say it better than my friend Janet did 3568 02:22:35,359 --> 02:22:38,319 tonight. We share the same concerns. Um, 3569 02:22:38,319 --> 02:22:40,080 I want to make one small point, maybe 3570 02:22:40,080 --> 02:22:42,399 not so small before I say what I came up 3571 02:22:42,399 --> 02:22:44,080 here to say, and that is I'm looking at 3572 02:22:44,080 --> 02:22:46,560 the land use map before and after from 3573 02:22:46,560 --> 02:22:48,000 the current general plan to the 3574 02:22:48,000 --> 02:22:50,399 proposed. And there are two sections of 3575 02:22:50,399 --> 02:22:52,479 the Sebastian property that are 3576 02:22:52,479 --> 02:22:54,479 agricultural. It's not all wine 3577 02:22:54,479 --> 02:22:56,800 production. So there are two land uses 3578 02:22:56,800 --> 02:22:58,319 there now, as far as I understand. 3579 02:22:58,319 --> 02:22:59,840 Three. Yeah, there's one tiny 3580 02:22:59,840 --> 02:23:02,880 commercial, right? Mixed use. So we we 3581 02:23:02,880 --> 02:23:05,040 do have existing and to your point, if 3582 02:23:05,040 --> 02:23:08,000 we left it, we do have agriculture and 3583 02:23:08,000 --> 02:23:10,319 wine production. And the one thing I've 3584 02:23:10,319 --> 02:23:12,800 heard so consistently from everyone who 3585 02:23:12,800 --> 02:23:15,439 gives feedback is keep the green space 3586 02:23:15,439 --> 02:23:17,920 green. But what I really want to say 3587 02:23:17,920 --> 02:23:20,720 tonight is thank you. Um this is the 3588 02:23:20,720 --> 02:23:24,000 first time um in this whole excruciating 3589 02:23:24,000 --> 02:23:25,600 process that I've felt like we've been 3590 02:23:25,600 --> 02:23:29,280 heard and that we share concerns that 3591 02:23:29,280 --> 02:23:32,080 are real and based on common sense and 3592 02:23:32,080 --> 02:23:34,000 reasonable and critical to this 3593 02:23:34,000 --> 02:23:36,240 community that we all love. And that's 3594 02:23:36,240 --> 02:23:37,520 why we're here. We're not here because 3595 02:23:37,520 --> 02:23:39,439 we don't want housing for people. We're 3596 02:23:39,439 --> 02:23:41,280 here because you think about the last 3597 02:23:41,280 --> 02:23:43,520 five or six years in this town and in 3598 02:23:43,520 --> 02:23:45,840 this country. You can't predict what's 3599 02:23:45,840 --> 02:23:47,600 going to happen five years from now, 3600 02:23:47,600 --> 02:23:50,000 right? You can't predict that somebody 3601 02:23:50,000 --> 02:23:51,840 might not come in here and say, "I want 3602 02:23:51,840 --> 02:23:53,840 to take advantage of the bonus density 3603 02:23:53,840 --> 02:23:56,319 laws and build a thousand housing units 3604 02:23:56,319 --> 02:23:57,760 there." And then what do we do when we 3605 02:23:57,760 --> 02:24:00,080 have a fire? We're already sleeping with 3606 02:24:00,080 --> 02:24:02,479 our go bags, folks. We've seen the 3607 02:24:02,479 --> 02:24:04,319 studies. We don't need the studies. This 3608 02:24:04,319 --> 02:24:08,319 is basic common sense. So, I am getting 3609 02:24:08,319 --> 02:24:10,080 all worked up here, not because I 3610 02:24:10,080 --> 02:24:12,000 disagree with you, but because I love 3611 02:24:12,000 --> 02:24:14,240 the conversation that's happening. I 3612 02:24:14,240 --> 02:24:16,240 appreciate it. As someone who cares 3613 02:24:16,240 --> 02:24:18,080 deeply about this along with my 3614 02:24:18,080 --> 02:24:20,800 neighbors, please continue to listen to 3615 02:24:20,800 --> 02:24:23,840 your constituents. We've got,270 people 3616 02:24:23,840 --> 02:24:25,760 so far signing a petition for 3617 02:24:25,760 --> 02:24:28,319 responsible land use. Read it. It's what 3618 02:24:28,319 --> 02:24:31,439 we keep saying. Readsoma.org. 3619 02:24:31,439 --> 02:24:33,359 We are not against development. We just 3620 02:24:33,359 --> 02:24:35,920 want it to make sense and we wanted to 3621 02:24:35,920 --> 02:24:38,319 keep this town as wonderful as it is. 3622 02:24:38,319 --> 02:24:41,359 Um, so thank you for listening to us and 3623 02:24:41,359 --> 02:24:43,120 let's keep this dialogue going because 3624 02:24:43,120 --> 02:24:44,960 we got to come to a solution that works 3625 02:24:44,960 --> 02:24:55,990 for Sonoma. Thank you. 3626 02:24:56,000 --> 02:25:02,640 Hi, my name's Jeannie ShraMM and Sm 3627 02:25:02,640 --> 02:25:07,120 um on the January 14th uh community 3628 02:25:07,120 --> 02:25:10,160 planning session. Uh it was an excellent 3629 02:25:10,160 --> 02:25:12,160 beginning and I want to commend you for 3630 02:25:12,160 --> 02:25:14,160 organizing it in the first place to 3631 02:25:14,160 --> 02:25:16,479 stimulating creative input from the 3632 02:25:16,479 --> 02:25:20,240 community. At that meeting, I met Mitch 3633 02:25:20,240 --> 02:25:22,880 back there and a lot of us met other 3634 02:25:22,880 --> 02:25:24,960 people that we never knew and it got the 3635 02:25:24,960 --> 02:25:27,840 discussion going. The land use 3636 02:25:27,840 --> 02:25:29,439 designation determines what the 3637 02:25:29,439 --> 02:25:30,960 proposals are in the first place. So, 3638 02:25:30,960 --> 02:25:32,240 I'm thrilled that we're having this 3639 02:25:32,240 --> 02:25:36,720 conversation today and that you are, as 3640 02:25:36,720 --> 02:25:38,720 uh the lady just as Miss Sager just 3641 02:25:38,720 --> 02:25:41,200 said, listening to us. I think the issue 3642 02:25:41,200 --> 02:25:44,080 here, the key issue for all of us is how 3643 02:25:44,080 --> 02:25:47,840 can this property be best used to 3644 02:25:47,840 --> 02:25:51,120 support community and civic priorities 3645 02:25:51,120 --> 02:25:53,840 and values while also addressing the 3646 02:25:53,840 --> 02:25:58,710 economic and sustainability issues. 3647 02:25:58,720 --> 02:26:01,200 Mitch and I worked together with a 3648 02:26:01,200 --> 02:26:03,600 couple of other people and we handed in 3649 02:26:03,600 --> 02:26:06,720 a submission late today, a submission of 3650 02:26:06,720 --> 02:26:09,520 ideas because anybody can't write a and 3651 02:26:09,520 --> 02:26:12,000 especially inexperienced people in 40 3652 02:26:12,000 --> 02:26:14,720 minutes. So we got together, we got some 3653 02:26:14,720 --> 02:26:17,280 ideas and our priorities that under 3654 02:26:17,280 --> 02:26:20,960 underpin these ideas were evacuation, 3655 02:26:20,960 --> 02:26:23,680 safety, density, vehicle and foot 3656 02:26:23,680 --> 02:26:25,439 traffic, maintaining the physical, 3657 02:26:25,439 --> 02:26:27,359 functional and aesthetic integrity, 3658 02:26:27,359 --> 02:26:28,800 transparent, visionary, and 3659 02:26:28,800 --> 02:26:31,520 participative decision-making process 3660 02:26:31,520 --> 02:26:34,479 and recognition that Sebastian winery 3661 02:26:34,479 --> 02:26:36,319 property, though unique in size for the 3662 02:26:36,319 --> 02:26:38,800 city of Soma, will set a precedent for 3663 02:26:38,800 --> 02:26:41,040 how other agricultural properties in 3664 02:26:41,040 --> 02:26:43,200 Soma County will be considered in the 3665 02:26:43,200 --> 02:26:45,359 future. And that's a very important 3666 02:26:45,359 --> 02:26:47,439 thing for all of you here to keep in 3667 02:26:47,439 --> 02:26:50,800 mind. The property is boarded by county 3668 02:26:50,800 --> 02:26:53,600 residents. And some of the things that 3669 02:26:53,600 --> 02:26:55,840 I'd like to point out in the evacuation 3670 02:26:55,840 --> 02:26:59,920 report, three of the seven uh reports 3671 02:26:59,920 --> 02:27:03,600 that uh that dangerous areas, three of 3672 02:27:03,600 --> 02:27:06,960 those seven border this property. Um 3673 02:27:06,960 --> 02:27:11,520 there is a we want to 3674 02:27:11,520 --> 02:27:14,160 any housing, senior housing, a third of 3675 02:27:14,160 --> 02:27:17,280 our population is seniors. That is 3676 02:27:17,280 --> 02:27:19,439 expected to grow, according to county 3677 02:27:19,439 --> 02:27:22,560 statistics, countywide, 26% 3678 02:27:22,560 --> 02:27:25,760 from that number by 2030. 3679 02:27:25,760 --> 02:27:27,520 That would enable people who live in the 3680 02:27:27,520 --> 02:27:31,200 area to age in place. and 3681 02:27:31,200 --> 02:27:35,840 we want to see um 3682 02:27:35,840 --> 02:27:37,920 the things that we love about Soma 3683 02:27:37,920 --> 02:27:42,240 preserved and to have visionaries. We 3684 02:27:42,240 --> 02:27:44,800 have a we are very lucky to have amazing 3685 02:27:44,800 --> 02:27:47,520 professionals in our community who are 3686 02:27:47,520 --> 02:27:49,840 extremely accomplished internationally 3687 02:27:49,840 --> 02:27:52,479 renowned architects and others. So we 3688 02:27:52,479 --> 02:27:54,960 would like to say let January 14th be 3689 02:27:54,960 --> 02:27:57,439 the beginning not the end. We'd like to 3690 02:27:57,439 --> 02:28:00,080 encourage you to form a community 3691 02:28:00,080 --> 02:28:02,319 advisory board where we can have 3692 02:28:02,319 --> 02:28:05,439 continue to have discussion like this. 3693 02:28:05,439 --> 02:28:11,110 Thank you. 3694 02:28:11,120 --> 02:28:13,840 » My name is David Dixon, DIX. I actually 3695 02:28:13,840 --> 02:28:16,240 live in the county on Level Valley Road 3696 02:28:16,240 --> 02:28:17,920 and uh I was looking at the agenda 3697 02:28:17,920 --> 02:28:20,080 tonight and I saw a memorandum from 3698 02:28:20,080 --> 02:28:23,439 Jennifer Gates about uh 577 and 511 3699 02:28:23,439 --> 02:28:26,319 Level Valley Road which they wish to uh 3700 02:28:26,319 --> 02:28:28,399 have a land use change to allow them to 3701 02:28:28,399 --> 02:28:30,880 develop housing there. I I'm a big 3702 02:28:30,880 --> 02:28:33,280 believer also of of I don't know if it's 3703 02:28:33,280 --> 02:28:35,359 going to be housing I guess but change 3704 02:28:35,359 --> 02:28:37,680 the land use from a to something else. 3705 02:28:37,680 --> 02:28:39,200 And I know that we have what we call 3706 02:28:39,200 --> 02:28:41,200 downgrading where you don't take a you 3707 02:28:41,200 --> 02:28:42,800 don't take a commercial or residential 3708 02:28:42,800 --> 02:28:45,920 area and downgrade it to uh rec space or 3709 02:28:45,920 --> 02:28:48,800 agriculture. Is there a possibility that 3710 02:28:48,800 --> 02:28:51,200 the city can look at the same rule of 3711 02:28:51,200 --> 02:28:55,680 not downgrading a to make a mixeduse 3712 02:28:55,680 --> 02:28:57,760 residential use or commercial use 3713 02:28:57,760 --> 02:29:00,640 because you're losing all the a place 3714 02:29:00,640 --> 02:29:02,479 about you can really make a difference 3715 02:29:02,479 --> 02:29:04,479 if you think about it. I don't and also 3716 02:29:04,479 --> 02:29:08,720 I don't know if 577 7-Eleven Valley Road 3717 02:29:08,720 --> 02:29:11,439 is related at all to the Sebastian 3718 02:29:11,439 --> 02:29:15,040 project or not. So, thank you. 3719 02:29:15,040 --> 02:29:18,469 >> Thank you very much. 3720 02:29:18,469 --> 02:29:18,479 » Thank you very much. 3721 02:29:18,479 --> 02:29:19,830 >> Hi, good evening. Uh, my name is 3722 02:29:19,830 --> 02:29:19,840 » Hi, good evening. Uh, my name is 3723 02:29:19,840 --> 02:29:22,640 Mitchell Price. P R I C E. Uh, a lot's 3724 02:29:22,640 --> 02:29:24,160 been said tonight, but I wrote this out 3725 02:29:24,160 --> 02:29:26,399 earlier, so um, I'll just go from my 3726 02:29:26,399 --> 02:29:28,800 script. Good evening, commissioners. My 3727 02:29:28,800 --> 02:29:30,319 name is Mitchell Price. I am an 3728 02:29:30,319 --> 02:29:31,920 architectural designer and a lifelong 3729 02:29:31,920 --> 02:29:33,760 Sonoma resident. I've spent the last 3730 02:29:33,760 --> 02:29:35,359 several weeks studying this site 3731 02:29:35,359 --> 02:29:37,920 carefully, not just as a development 3732 02:29:37,920 --> 02:29:39,439 opportunity, but as a civic 3733 02:29:39,439 --> 02:29:41,520 responsibility and uh for the next 3734 02:29:41,520 --> 02:29:44,319 generation of Sonoma residents. The 3735 02:29:44,319 --> 02:29:46,240 Sebastian property sits within an 3736 02:29:46,240 --> 02:29:48,640 established residential fabric with 3737 02:29:48,640 --> 02:29:50,560 limited evacuation routes and 3738 02:29:50,560 --> 02:29:52,960 circulation capacity. That physical 3739 02:29:52,960 --> 02:29:55,040 reality should guide our land use 3740 02:29:55,040 --> 02:29:58,319 decisions. The question before us is not 3741 02:29:58,319 --> 02:30:00,080 whether this site should evolve, it's 3742 02:30:00,080 --> 02:30:01,600 how. 3743 02:30:01,600 --> 02:30:04,560 It's a fire constrained residential uh 3744 02:30:04,560 --> 02:30:06,720 context. We should be deliberate about 3745 02:30:06,720 --> 02:30:09,280 introducing higher intensity destination 3746 02:30:09,280 --> 02:30:11,680 oriented uses that increase peak traffic 3747 02:30:11,680 --> 02:30:14,399 and emergency complexity. 3748 02:30:14,399 --> 02:30:16,240 This is also an opportunity for the city 3749 02:30:16,240 --> 02:30:18,319 to think more broadly about economic 3750 02:30:18,319 --> 02:30:20,720 resilience. A balanced revenue base, one 3751 02:30:20,720 --> 02:30:22,479 that includes community serving and 3752 02:30:22,479 --> 02:30:24,640 locally rooted uses can strengthen 3753 02:30:24,640 --> 02:30:27,439 Sonoma over time. 3754 02:30:27,439 --> 02:30:31,040 This 20 acre site is one of the uh last 3755 02:30:31,040 --> 02:30:33,120 large centrallylo properties within the 3756 02:30:33,120 --> 02:30:35,200 city. That makes it rare. Rare sites 3757 02:30:35,200 --> 02:30:39,429 deserve long-term thinking. 3758 02:30:39,439 --> 02:30:42,240 Uh this property could, excuse me, this 3759 02:30:42,240 --> 02:30:43,680 property could support lower intensity 3760 02:30:43,680 --> 02:30:45,760 uses that strengthen residents first and 3761 02:30:45,760 --> 02:30:48,160 generate steady daytime activity without 3762 02:30:48,160 --> 02:30:50,720 overwhelming the neighborhood. This 3763 02:30:50,720 --> 02:30:54,160 approach allows us to reuse uh would 3764 02:30:54,160 --> 02:30:56,240 allow us to reuse and thoughtfully adapt 3765 02:30:56,240 --> 02:30:58,240 the existing structures to the greatest 3766 02:30:58,240 --> 02:31:00,399 extent possible. We have an opportunity 3767 02:31:00,399 --> 02:31:02,960 to demonstrate that economic vitality 3768 02:31:02,960 --> 02:31:05,680 and stewardship are not opposites. The 3769 02:31:05,680 --> 02:31:07,840 physical character of Soma, its 3770 02:31:07,840 --> 02:31:10,000 walkability, its historic fabric, its 3771 02:31:10,000 --> 02:31:13,680 human scale uh was created by restraint. 3772 02:31:13,680 --> 02:31:15,120 I encourage you to approach this 3773 02:31:15,120 --> 02:31:17,920 property not as a blank slate but as one 3774 02:31:17,920 --> 02:31:20,720 act of stewardship for the next 50 years 3775 02:31:20,720 --> 02:31:22,960 of Sonoma. Thank you very much. 3776 02:31:22,960 --> 02:31:25,910 >> Thank you 3777 02:31:25,910 --> 02:31:25,920 » Thank you 3778 02:31:25,920 --> 02:31:27,920 Miss Cornwall. 3779 02:31:27,920 --> 02:31:30,150 >> Good evening. Um Caitlyn Cornwall Soma 3780 02:31:30,150 --> 02:31:30,160 » Good evening. Um Caitlyn Cornwall Soma 3781 02:31:30,160 --> 02:31:32,800 Ecology Center. Um 3782 02:31:32,800 --> 02:31:35,120 uh I am notly not sure if this is the 3783 02:31:35,120 --> 02:31:36,240 right time to make this comment but 3784 02:31:36,240 --> 02:31:37,439 other people are making comments about 3785 02:31:37,439 --> 02:31:38,720 things that are not exactly their South 3786 02:31:38,720 --> 02:31:41,359 Aian properties. So, just uh wanted to 3787 02:31:41,359 --> 02:31:43,600 make a comment about 577 Level Valley 3788 02:31:43,600 --> 02:31:49,840 Road. Um uh uh there have been a lot of 3789 02:31:49,840 --> 02:31:52,000 public money spent over the last 10 3790 02:31:52,000 --> 02:31:56,080 years or so looking for places um 3791 02:31:56,080 --> 02:31:59,200 upstream of the city of Sonoma for uh 3792 02:31:59,200 --> 02:32:02,399 water during storms to spread out and 3793 02:32:02,399 --> 02:32:04,880 reduce flood risk in the city and also 3794 02:32:04,880 --> 02:32:08,000 to recharge groundwater. and um Sonoma 3795 02:32:08,000 --> 02:32:10,560 Water and the Ecology Center with 3796 02:32:10,560 --> 02:32:12,640 various sources of public money have 3797 02:32:12,640 --> 02:32:14,240 looked pretty hard in the Nathansson 3798 02:32:14,240 --> 02:32:16,880 Creek wershed for opportunities to let 3799 02:32:16,880 --> 02:32:20,800 water spread out in the winter. Um and 3800 02:32:20,800 --> 02:32:22,880 uh it was very very hard to find places 3801 02:32:22,880 --> 02:32:25,120 that where that's possible and the best 3802 02:32:25,120 --> 02:32:27,280 the highest priority location for 3803 02:32:27,280 --> 02:32:28,640 allowing that to happen is that 3804 02:32:28,640 --> 02:32:32,880 property. And so um I think before the 3805 02:32:32,880 --> 02:32:36,240 city decides to change its uh land use 3806 02:32:36,240 --> 02:32:38,240 designation, there should be some 3807 02:32:38,240 --> 02:32:40,160 thought given to whether there are parts 3808 02:32:40,160 --> 02:32:44,160 of that parcel that should be um uh 3809 02:32:44,160 --> 02:32:47,040 where future uses must allow the ability 3810 02:32:47,040 --> 02:32:48,960 for water to spread out there. um and it 3811 02:32:48,960 --> 02:32:51,600 connects hydraologically to uh parts of 3812 02:32:51,600 --> 02:32:53,760 the Sebastian properties. The some of 3813 02:32:53,760 --> 02:32:56,160 the topography is still there. So we 3814 02:32:56,160 --> 02:32:57,760 haven't had major flooding in the city 3815 02:32:57,760 --> 02:32:59,200 for a while, but we have had really 3816 02:32:59,200 --> 02:33:02,000 major flooding in the city over the last 3817 02:33:02,000 --> 02:33:03,760 30 years and it will get worse in the 3818 02:33:03,760 --> 02:33:06,560 future. So um that's one point and my 3819 02:33:06,560 --> 02:33:10,160 other point is um about the Sebastian 3820 02:33:10,160 --> 02:33:13,280 properties. Um, for the first time ever, 3821 02:33:13,280 --> 02:33:14,800 uh, in my long time at the ecology 3822 02:33:14,800 --> 02:33:16,640 center, I went last year to the Sonoma 3823 02:33:16,640 --> 02:33:19,840 County A Summit. And, um, it is a time 3824 02:33:19,840 --> 02:33:21,680 of real hand ringing in agriculture 3825 02:33:21,680 --> 02:33:25,040 right now. And one of the big challenges 3826 02:33:25,040 --> 02:33:28,080 that agriculture faces is the loss of 3827 02:33:28,080 --> 02:33:31,120 agricultural processing facilities. Um, 3828 02:33:31,120 --> 02:33:33,520 we have amazing food growers in Sonoma 3829 02:33:33,520 --> 02:33:35,280 Valley and increasingly they don't have 3830 02:33:35,280 --> 02:33:37,520 a place to make value added products or 3831 02:33:37,520 --> 02:33:40,560 even to um, process and clean what 3832 02:33:40,560 --> 02:33:43,600 they're harvesting. So, um, I'm sure a 3833 02:33:43,600 --> 02:33:45,920 use like this would require some kind of 3834 02:33:45,920 --> 02:33:48,160 public assistance or subsidy or 3835 02:33:48,160 --> 02:33:49,439 something, but I think that's something 3836 02:33:49,439 --> 02:33:51,200 to consider with a historic processing 3837 02:33:51,200 --> 02:33:52,960 facility like the one at Sebastian that 3838 02:33:52,960 --> 02:33:55,840 it could be used for food um, and local 3839 02:33:55,840 --> 02:33:58,319 businesses uh, in the future. Thank you. 3840 02:33:58,319 --> 02:34:02,230 >> Thank you, Miss Formal. Mr. 3841 02:34:02,230 --> 02:34:02,240 » Thank you, Miss Formal. Mr. 3842 02:34:02,240 --> 02:34:07,590 Grandy, come forward, please. 3843 02:34:07,600 --> 02:34:10,479 » Evening, commission. Um, Art Grandandy, 3844 02:34:10,479 --> 02:34:14,000 1314th Street East of Gr. 3845 02:34:14,000 --> 02:34:16,240 So, I live just up the street from the 3846 02:34:16,240 --> 02:34:19,920 Sasiani uh main building and pass it 3847 02:34:19,920 --> 02:34:21,359 regularly every day. And I'm not going 3848 02:34:21,359 --> 02:34:24,080 to repeat a lot of the things that uh I 3849 02:34:24,080 --> 02:34:26,319 agree with that have been said just to 3850 02:34:26,319 --> 02:34:29,680 make this shorter. But um I wanted to 3851 02:34:29,680 --> 02:34:32,640 express I think a couple of main things. 3852 02:34:32,640 --> 02:34:35,439 If one is one of my suggestions and it's 3853 02:34:35,439 --> 02:34:38,160 not just my idea but endorsing others is 3854 02:34:38,160 --> 02:34:40,800 a special planning area allows the 3855 02:34:40,800 --> 02:34:43,600 planning process to go forward but 3856 02:34:43,600 --> 02:34:45,120 require 3857 02:34:45,120 --> 02:34:47,920 um further detailed exploration of any 3858 02:34:47,920 --> 02:34:50,560 proposal for the property without having 3859 02:34:50,560 --> 02:34:53,840 to define upfront uh the the accepted 3860 02:34:53,840 --> 02:34:55,680 uses and that's clearly something that 3861 02:34:55,680 --> 02:34:57,439 that ought to be considered. I don't we 3862 02:34:57,439 --> 02:34:58,880 don't need to debate it now, but I think 3863 02:34:58,880 --> 02:35:00,560 it sounds like from what I read about 3864 02:35:00,560 --> 02:35:02,960 it, it's it's a very useful thing. The 3865 02:35:02,960 --> 02:35:06,240 second thing is if any changes are being 3866 02:35:06,240 --> 02:35:09,359 made to this property, density is the 3867 02:35:09,359 --> 02:35:12,880 key a key concern and it was just 3868 02:35:12,880 --> 02:35:16,160 outrageous that we had seven to 25 in 3869 02:35:16,160 --> 02:35:19,040 the proposed wording of of the document. 3870 02:35:19,040 --> 02:35:22,319 I mean totally incompatible with the 3871 02:35:22,319 --> 02:35:24,800 neighborhood on all sides of that 3872 02:35:24,800 --> 02:35:29,040 property. Um we have in our zone in our 3873 02:35:29,040 --> 02:35:32,319 coding zones uh the medium medium 3874 02:35:32,319 --> 02:35:35,520 density residential which is 3 to eight 3875 02:35:35,520 --> 02:35:37,920 density and even given the possibility 3876 02:35:37,920 --> 02:35:39,680 that that might be doubled still would 3877 02:35:39,680 --> 02:35:43,600 allow you to be uh within possible 3878 02:35:43,600 --> 02:35:46,960 reasonable uh range. So there are 3879 02:35:46,960 --> 02:35:51,120 choices within the current uh coding 3880 02:35:51,120 --> 02:35:54,960 choices zone to uh 3881 02:35:54,960 --> 02:35:57,920 uh control the risk. 3882 02:35:57,920 --> 02:36:00,479 The an additional thought is we need to 3883 02:36:00,479 --> 02:36:02,880 have an alternative some alternative 3884 02:36:02,880 --> 02:36:05,840 uses as possible for that property if 3885 02:36:05,840 --> 02:36:10,319 eventually there is some commercial uh 3886 02:36:10,319 --> 02:36:11,920 aptitude 3887 02:36:11,920 --> 02:36:15,920 or acceptance of of commercial and um a 3888 02:36:15,920 --> 02:36:18,720 senior residential facility of which 3889 02:36:18,720 --> 02:36:21,680 there are many types around uh stages of 3890 02:36:21,680 --> 02:36:24,319 living uh CCRC 3891 02:36:24,319 --> 02:36:26,560 profit nonprofit all of that is is 3892 02:36:26,560 --> 02:36:30,080 details in the weed s of what is done. 3893 02:36:30,080 --> 02:36:33,920 But um we did have some of a small group 3894 02:36:33,920 --> 02:36:36,640 of neighbors there had a conversation 3895 02:36:36,640 --> 02:36:39,760 with a major uh developer and operator 3896 02:36:39,760 --> 02:36:43,920 of uh homes and uh he knows the site and 3897 02:36:43,920 --> 02:36:46,160 they said this would be an ideal one to 3898 02:36:46,160 --> 02:36:48,880 look at for a residential facility. And 3899 02:36:48,880 --> 02:36:52,080 I'll just point out that uh these count 3900 02:36:52,080 --> 02:36:55,359 as uh housing units for meeting the uh 3901 02:36:55,359 --> 02:36:59,120 target target goal. And as addition uh 3902 02:36:59,120 --> 02:37:01,120 res people who are residents in a 3903 02:37:01,120 --> 02:37:03,280 community like that are members of a 3904 02:37:03,280 --> 02:37:06,000 community, they will the the certainly 3905 02:37:06,000 --> 02:37:08,080 the uh independent living ones will be 3906 02:37:08,080 --> 02:37:11,200 able to be customers in town and join 3907 02:37:11,200 --> 02:37:13,600 the community. 3908 02:37:13,600 --> 02:37:17,120 And I think that's all I have to say. 3909 02:37:17,120 --> 02:37:22,389 >> Thank you. All 3910 02:37:22,399 --> 02:37:25,280 right. Uh JJ Abdily and um I think it 3911 02:37:25,280 --> 02:37:26,880 may be helpful to have the description 3912 02:37:26,880 --> 02:37:28,720 on and on on the screen because like 3913 02:37:28,720 --> 02:37:30,399 that's what we're talking about. But I 3914 02:37:30,399 --> 02:37:32,640 want to echo I I do also appreciate it 3915 02:37:32,640 --> 02:37:35,040 seems like some like conversations that 3916 02:37:35,040 --> 02:37:36,720 haven't been been able to be have in 3917 02:37:36,720 --> 02:37:38,000 public form or being had. So I 3918 02:37:38,000 --> 02:37:40,720 appreciate that. I also appreciate uh 3919 02:37:40,720 --> 02:37:42,960 Commissioner Willer's consternation 3920 02:37:42,960 --> 02:37:46,000 about the process of like trying to put 3921 02:37:46,000 --> 02:37:48,000 together a single definition on what is 3922 02:37:48,000 --> 02:37:50,960 actually 17 parcels, not five, that have 3923 02:37:50,960 --> 02:37:52,720 three different zoning designations 3924 02:37:52,720 --> 02:37:54,880 currently. Um I've kind of struggled 3925 02:37:54,880 --> 02:37:55,920 with the same thing. I'd love to learn 3926 02:37:55,920 --> 02:37:57,760 more about the specific plan process. I 3927 02:37:57,760 --> 02:37:59,439 think the reason to have the 3928 02:37:59,439 --> 02:38:01,600 conversation today and the reason that 3929 02:38:01,600 --> 02:38:03,280 this general plan process which is now 3930 02:38:03,280 --> 02:38:05,920 almost two years underway is it's an 3931 02:38:05,920 --> 02:38:07,920 opportunity for the community to send a 3932 02:38:07,920 --> 02:38:11,600 signal out on what it wants. And let's 3933 02:38:11,600 --> 02:38:13,680 also be clear that that the description 3934 02:38:13,680 --> 02:38:16,160 here is not talking about what is what 3935 02:38:16,160 --> 02:38:18,240 is desired like it's not really talking 3936 02:38:18,240 --> 02:38:22,080 about um you know what um should be done 3937 02:38:22,080 --> 02:38:24,479 there or can't. It's what what you said 3938 02:38:24,479 --> 02:38:26,800 this best. what is the community willing 3939 02:38:26,800 --> 02:38:29,840 to accept or not accept? It's it's not a 3940 02:38:29,840 --> 02:38:32,720 preapproval of any kind. It's it's quite 3941 02:38:32,720 --> 02:38:34,800 the opposite. It's a it's an opening of 3942 02:38:34,800 --> 02:38:39,359 a door that says bring a project that um 3943 02:38:39,359 --> 02:38:41,439 can fit to meeting our goals in the 3944 02:38:41,439 --> 02:38:42,720 general plan which are stated as 3945 02:38:42,720 --> 02:38:44,000 housing, economic development, and 3946 02:38:44,000 --> 02:38:46,319 maintaining community character and do 3947 02:38:46,319 --> 02:38:50,240 it in a way that um that then this is 3948 02:38:50,240 --> 02:38:52,319 the idea that I've had I think to maybe 3949 02:38:52,319 --> 02:38:54,560 address Commissioner Willer's concern 3950 02:38:54,560 --> 02:38:56,880 that I shared as well, which is use the 3951 02:38:56,880 --> 02:38:59,280 development code to get specific about 3952 02:38:59,280 --> 02:39:01,359 the restrictions. Nobody wants to tear 3953 02:39:01,359 --> 02:39:03,120 up the vineyards that exist there. 3954 02:39:03,120 --> 02:39:05,040 Nobody wants to remove the green space 3955 02:39:05,040 --> 02:39:07,280 that exists there. So use the 3956 02:39:07,280 --> 02:39:08,479 development code to put the 3957 02:39:08,479 --> 02:39:09,840 restrictions. We have actually really 3958 02:39:09,840 --> 02:39:12,319 great opportunity because 3959 02:39:12,319 --> 02:39:13,920 I will call it heritage mixed use 3960 02:39:13,920 --> 02:39:15,120 because I think it's much better because 3961 02:39:15,120 --> 02:39:18,160 it also reminds us of how long it's been 3962 02:39:18,160 --> 02:39:20,560 there and how important it is. But we 3963 02:39:20,560 --> 02:39:23,760 have the opportunity to create specific 3964 02:39:23,760 --> 02:39:25,760 restrictions, constraints in the 3965 02:39:25,760 --> 02:39:27,760 development code that will be specific 3966 02:39:27,760 --> 02:39:29,520 to Sebastiani and it won't apply 3967 02:39:29,520 --> 02:39:30,640 anywhere else because it's the only 3968 02:39:30,640 --> 02:39:32,319 place in town that has this zoning 3969 02:39:32,319 --> 02:39:34,240 designation. So I would really urge us 3970 02:39:34,240 --> 02:39:37,280 to keep the door open, send the signal 3971 02:39:37,280 --> 02:39:40,080 that these parcels have a role to play 3972 02:39:40,080 --> 02:39:42,160 in the asset base of the future of 3973 02:39:42,160 --> 02:39:44,160 Sonoma, a very important role, one that 3974 02:39:44,160 --> 02:39:45,840 is probably uniquely positioned to 3975 02:39:45,840 --> 02:39:50,160 provide unlike any other. and let the 3976 02:39:50,160 --> 02:39:52,399 development code guide the rest 3977 02:39:52,399 --> 02:39:53,920 constraints that I think we all want to 3978 02:39:53,920 --> 02:39:56,000 place on it regarding protecting certain 3979 02:39:56,000 --> 02:39:58,960 aspects of it, maintaining residential 3980 02:39:58,960 --> 02:40:01,120 feel in certain places. All of those 3981 02:40:01,120 --> 02:40:02,319 things can be done in the development 3982 02:40:02,319 --> 02:40:03,439 code and should be done in the 3983 02:40:03,439 --> 02:40:05,520 development code. Um, and I agree with 3984 02:40:05,520 --> 02:40:08,160 most of everything I've heard regarding 3985 02:40:08,160 --> 02:40:10,319 um, the challenges with density bonus 3986 02:40:10,319 --> 02:40:12,160 law and having too high of a zoning 3987 02:40:12,160 --> 02:40:15,040 standard or sorry, too high of a zoning 3988 02:40:15,040 --> 02:40:18,960 a a density range particularly on the 3989 02:40:18,960 --> 02:40:21,359 upper end. And I I've looked at that 3990 02:40:21,359 --> 02:40:22,960 site and you when you break it into 3991 02:40:22,960 --> 02:40:24,479 parcels, you look at keeping the 3992 02:40:24,479 --> 02:40:26,160 vineyards on the west side. Five acres 3993 02:40:26,160 --> 02:40:27,520 is pretty much what you're left with on 3994 02:40:27,520 --> 02:40:29,680 the west side and that's a lot of 15 3995 02:40:29,680 --> 02:40:31,520 units per acre is plenty of units over 3996 02:40:31,520 --> 02:40:32,800 there. You couldn't fit much more on 3997 02:40:32,800 --> 02:40:35,439 there anyway. Thank you. Thank you very 3998 02:40:35,439 --> 02:40:40,070 much. 3999 02:40:40,080 --> 02:40:43,280 » Hi guys. Uh my name is Bill Couturier. 4000 02:40:43,280 --> 02:40:50,160 Uh c u t u r i e. Um I live on loitus. 4001 02:40:50,160 --> 02:40:54,880 My wife and uh we're right next to the 4002 02:40:54,880 --> 02:40:57,760 place that we're talking about and they 4003 02:40:57,760 --> 02:41:00,560 are thinking of putting a whole bunch of 4004 02:41:00,560 --> 02:41:03,520 town houses right in our backyard. We're 4005 02:41:03,520 --> 02:41:05,359 not happy about that. Maybe that'll 4006 02:41:05,359 --> 02:41:07,840 change because I know nothing is 4007 02:41:07,840 --> 02:41:12,160 concrete, but just the idea of having 50 4008 02:41:12,160 --> 02:41:14,880 town houses right behind Los Cacitus 4009 02:41:14,880 --> 02:41:17,439 would 4010 02:41:17,439 --> 02:41:20,479 not be in keeping with GLU2, let's say. 4011 02:41:20,479 --> 02:41:24,960 Um, but my other thing here is people 4012 02:41:24,960 --> 02:41:26,479 are thinking, well, it's just is it a 4013 02:41:26,479 --> 02:41:31,280 hotel? Is it a bunch of condos? Is it 4014 02:41:31,280 --> 02:41:33,359 I think there's a we could take a little 4015 02:41:33,359 --> 02:41:36,080 bit out of the box. And it seems to me 4016 02:41:36,080 --> 02:41:38,319 everybody 4017 02:41:38,319 --> 02:41:41,920 that I think is here um 4018 02:41:41,920 --> 02:41:43,840 is worried about their house burning 4019 02:41:43,840 --> 02:41:45,840 down. They're worried about being able 4020 02:41:45,840 --> 02:41:48,640 to afford insurance because it's going 4021 02:41:48,640 --> 02:41:50,880 up thousands of dollars every year and 4022 02:41:50,880 --> 02:41:55,680 it's not sustainable. Um 4023 02:41:55,680 --> 02:41:58,319 there's a bunch of water out there in 4024 02:41:58,319 --> 02:42:00,240 this property. There's a giant well. 4025 02:42:00,240 --> 02:42:02,160 There's there's a problem with much 4026 02:42:02,160 --> 02:42:04,560 water coming in. Right. 4027 02:42:04,560 --> 02:42:06,080 I'm 4028 02:42:06,080 --> 02:42:09,120 was up in Portland for a while at the 4029 02:42:09,120 --> 02:42:11,680 Washington Park there. They built a 4030 02:42:11,680 --> 02:42:14,080 reservoir. Beautiful, 4031 02:42:14,080 --> 02:42:16,479 bigger than we need, 12 million gallon, 4032 02:42:16,479 --> 02:42:19,200 but it's it's hit and they have a little 4033 02:42:19,200 --> 02:42:22,399 lake on top of it that's beautiful. And 4034 02:42:22,399 --> 02:42:24,399 it's this charming place that people can 4035 02:42:24,399 --> 02:42:27,760 walk around, dogs play. We could have 4036 02:42:27,760 --> 02:42:33,590 something like that built and have 4037 02:42:33,600 --> 02:42:35,760 a little place lost the side of it where 4038 02:42:35,760 --> 02:42:40,000 there's like drones that carry water and 4039 02:42:40,000 --> 02:42:42,720 could fight fires and this could be a 4040 02:42:42,720 --> 02:42:44,479 central place where it would be both 4041 02:42:44,479 --> 02:42:47,670 recreational. 4042 02:42:47,680 --> 02:42:50,399 Uh 4043 02:42:50,399 --> 02:42:51,030 >> you're good. 4044 02:42:51,030 --> 02:42:51,040 » you're good. 4045 02:42:51,040 --> 02:42:54,550 >> Okay. I'm just saying we could save 4046 02:42:54,550 --> 02:42:54,560 » Okay. I'm just saying we could save 4047 02:42:54,560 --> 02:42:58,080 SNOVA, create a beautiful recreational 4048 02:42:58,080 --> 02:42:59,600 place 4049 02:42:59,600 --> 02:43:03,200 and uh lower our insurance costs because 4050 02:43:03,200 --> 02:43:06,640 we're in a high fire zone, right? So, 4051 02:43:06,640 --> 02:43:08,720 good things could happen. It doesn't all 4052 02:43:08,720 --> 02:43:10,960 have to be about 4053 02:43:10,960 --> 02:43:13,760 housing and there's plenty of places to 4054 02:43:13,760 --> 02:43:16,800 build houses. 4055 02:43:16,800 --> 02:43:23,590 >> Thank you very much. 4056 02:43:23,600 --> 02:43:26,160 I'm Richard Trant. You heard from my 4057 02:43:26,160 --> 02:43:28,800 wife Bert earlier. 4058 02:43:28,800 --> 02:43:32,640 I think if you think about what 4059 02:43:32,640 --> 02:43:34,880 this town is, 4060 02:43:34,880 --> 02:43:37,600 it becomes to me to be very vivid that 4061 02:43:37,600 --> 02:43:40,479 this is an opportunity for people that 4062 02:43:40,479 --> 02:43:45,040 live here that might want to stay here 4063 02:43:45,040 --> 02:43:48,080 in their oldest oldest ages. Why can't 4064 02:43:48,080 --> 02:43:49,840 this be 4065 02:43:49,840 --> 02:43:52,160 a community for 4066 02:43:52,160 --> 02:43:55,359 people that are here in this room and in 4067 02:43:55,359 --> 02:43:57,920 the in the future. It would be so great 4068 02:43:57,920 --> 02:44:01,279 to be able to be close to your your 4069 02:44:01,279 --> 02:44:02,960 loved ones in a place where you know 4070 02:44:02,960 --> 02:44:07,040 you're safe as the as the 4071 02:44:07,040 --> 02:44:10,230 the 4072 02:44:10,240 --> 02:44:12,319 as you get older. 4073 02:44:12,319 --> 02:44:15,600 So I think it would be amazing for for 4074 02:44:15,600 --> 02:44:19,200 Sonoma to have something like this to go 4075 02:44:19,200 --> 02:44:24,000 to the next stage. It would be un it 4076 02:44:24,000 --> 02:44:27,520 would be absolutely amazing. And I think 4077 02:44:27,520 --> 02:44:31,120 it would I think it would just be for so 4078 02:44:31,120 --> 02:44:34,160 many reasons the right thing to do. If 4079 02:44:34,160 --> 02:44:35,680 you think about what it is, it's 4080 02:44:35,680 --> 02:44:40,319 glorious. And um please don't let it go. 4081 02:44:40,319 --> 02:44:44,790 Thank you very much. 4082 02:44:44,800 --> 02:44:52,550 Okay. 4083 02:44:52,560 --> 02:44:54,160 Thank you for everything tonight. I 4084 02:44:54,160 --> 02:44:55,840 really appreciate all of what you've 4085 02:44:55,840 --> 02:44:57,600 said and such a great deal of thought 4086 02:44:57,600 --> 02:45:00,479 put into it. Um, which makes me feel 4087 02:45:00,479 --> 02:45:02,880 relieved because I have felt like this 4088 02:45:02,880 --> 02:45:06,880 was going towards mixed use and it was 4089 02:45:06,880 --> 02:45:10,000 going to be like stopping a train. Um, I 4090 02:45:10,000 --> 02:45:11,439 forgot I think I forgot to say my name. 4091 02:45:11,439 --> 02:45:14,800 Pat Summers. Uh, su ms. 4092 02:45:14,800 --> 02:45:17,680 Um, I was fresh out of knee surgery at 4093 02:45:17,680 --> 02:45:19,680 the meeting in January, so I did not get 4094 02:45:19,680 --> 02:45:22,240 to participate. But from what a few 4095 02:45:22,240 --> 02:45:25,600 people told me, they felt like the map 4096 02:45:25,600 --> 02:45:27,760 project was kind of putting the cart 4097 02:45:27,760 --> 02:45:30,640 before the horse and they had to put on 4098 02:45:30,640 --> 02:45:33,760 that map where a hotel should go, etc. 4099 02:45:33,760 --> 02:45:36,319 Well, who says we need a hotel? And 4100 02:45:36,319 --> 02:45:39,200 where did that even come from? Um, I 4101 02:45:39,200 --> 02:45:42,000 happen to be in the hospitality industry 4102 02:45:42,000 --> 02:45:46,240 and I've been dealing with the fact that 4103 02:45:46,240 --> 02:45:48,240 we have a lot of changes going on in 4104 02:45:48,240 --> 02:45:51,520 this county. We have um a wine industry 4105 02:45:51,520 --> 02:45:54,160 that has a lot on their plate and a lot 4106 02:45:54,160 --> 02:45:57,760 to deal with. We have a reduction in um 4107 02:45:57,760 --> 02:46:03,520 hos in a hotel occupancy and 4108 02:46:03,520 --> 02:46:05,120 it's not a thing that's going to be 4109 02:46:05,120 --> 02:46:07,680 fixed in the immediate future. It's 4110 02:46:07,680 --> 02:46:10,640 going to take time. Um, basically it is 4111 02:46:10,640 --> 02:46:12,479 my firm belief that we do not need any 4112 02:46:12,479 --> 02:46:16,160 more hotels. Occupancy is around 55% and 4113 02:46:16,160 --> 02:46:19,439 we don't need them. Uh, I live on Geroke 4114 02:46:19,439 --> 02:46:21,040 Road. I'm a board member of the Geroke 4115 02:46:21,040 --> 02:46:24,160 Road Fire Safe Council. I'm extremely 4116 02:46:24,160 --> 02:46:26,560 concerned about overpopulation 4117 02:46:26,560 --> 02:46:30,960 and increased nonviability of of uh 4118 02:46:30,960 --> 02:46:32,640 evacuation. 4119 02:46:32,640 --> 02:46:34,880 We have a lot to deal with and we don't 4120 02:46:34,880 --> 02:46:36,720 need hundreds of more people at the 4121 02:46:36,720 --> 02:46:40,319 bottom of Gerokei Road. It's um not that 4122 02:46:40,319 --> 02:46:43,840 I am opposed to very thoughtful 4123 02:46:43,840 --> 02:46:46,000 development that can enhance the 4124 02:46:46,000 --> 02:46:47,680 community, but we need to retain our 4125 02:46:47,680 --> 02:46:50,560 pockets of agriculture and the beauty of 4126 02:46:50,560 --> 02:46:52,880 of what we have here. It's very very 4127 02:46:52,880 --> 02:46:55,439 special. It's irreplaceable and I don't 4128 02:46:55,439 --> 02:46:57,120 want to see it go away. I want to see it 4129 02:46:57,120 --> 02:47:00,240 continue and thrive. So, thank you for 4130 02:47:00,240 --> 02:47:03,359 your good thoughts on all of that. Um, 4131 02:47:03,359 --> 02:47:05,760 very much appreciated. 4132 02:47:05,760 --> 02:47:07,030 >> Thank you very much for your comments, 4133 02:47:07,030 --> 02:47:07,040 » Thank you very much for your comments, 4134 02:47:07,040 --> 02:47:13,030 S. 4135 02:47:13,040 --> 02:47:15,279 » Thanks to everyone and for all of your 4136 02:47:15,279 --> 02:47:17,200 questions and insights uh from the 4137 02:47:17,200 --> 02:47:19,920 commission and everyone who has already 4138 02:47:19,920 --> 02:47:22,800 spoken. My name is Ray Shik. I live uh 4139 02:47:22,800 --> 02:47:26,000 on uh East Napa Street uh with my wife 4140 02:47:26,000 --> 02:47:28,800 Diane. And I think what uh was very 4141 02:47:28,800 --> 02:47:31,200 interesting actually about your your uh 4142 02:47:31,200 --> 02:47:34,560 question um Commissioner O'Neal is the 4143 02:47:34,560 --> 02:47:37,040 idea of possibly 4144 02:47:37,040 --> 02:47:39,600 um stepping back and thinking a little 4145 02:47:39,600 --> 02:47:41,520 bit about the process differently 4146 02:47:41,520 --> 02:47:43,680 because fundamentally the the notion of 4147 02:47:43,680 --> 02:47:46,479 a land use plan is about setting the 4148 02:47:46,479 --> 02:47:48,960 direction the vision of the the 4149 02:47:48,960 --> 02:47:51,120 community that we're planning for and 4150 02:47:51,120 --> 02:47:53,680 that's not simply a physical vision. 4151 02:47:53,680 --> 02:47:55,840 It's the vision of what the economy 4152 02:47:55,840 --> 02:47:57,439 should be. It's the vision of what the 4153 02:47:57,439 --> 02:47:59,040 businesses should be here. It's the 4154 02:47:59,040 --> 02:48:01,439 vision of how do we place properties in 4155 02:48:01,439 --> 02:48:03,520 a way that it actually accentuates the 4156 02:48:03,520 --> 02:48:05,600 current businesses and has plans for 4157 02:48:05,600 --> 02:48:07,120 where new businesses and where new 4158 02:48:07,120 --> 02:48:09,760 housing goes. But fundamentally, it's 4159 02:48:09,760 --> 02:48:12,560 it's about defining the experience of 4160 02:48:12,560 --> 02:48:14,479 the future of Sonoma. And I think 4161 02:48:14,479 --> 02:48:16,560 there's an important conversation around 4162 02:48:16,560 --> 02:48:19,359 that because Sonoma is a destination 4163 02:48:19,359 --> 02:48:21,680 about experience. It's a destination for 4164 02:48:21,680 --> 02:48:24,080 all of us moving here because of the 4165 02:48:24,080 --> 02:48:26,640 experience of Sonoma. And this parcel 4166 02:48:26,640 --> 02:48:29,600 has such a significant impact uh on the 4167 02:48:29,600 --> 02:48:31,680 community in many ways. It was mentioned 4168 02:48:31,680 --> 02:48:33,680 about the retail bleed, but you know, if 4169 02:48:33,680 --> 02:48:35,840 we if we flip the plan and say, "No, 4170 02:48:35,840 --> 02:48:38,319 let's think about this more holistically 4171 02:48:38,319 --> 02:48:40,399 in the overall plan of the city, not as 4172 02:48:40,399 --> 02:48:43,279 an isolated piece of property kind of at 4173 02:48:43,279 --> 02:48:45,359 the edge of the city. Now, how do we 4174 02:48:45,359 --> 02:48:47,680 really reinforce retail behavior in the 4175 02:48:47,680 --> 02:48:49,920 downtown? What about putting more hotels 4176 02:48:49,920 --> 02:48:52,880 downtown to drive uh the economy of the 4177 02:48:52,880 --> 02:48:55,200 square which is struggling at times and 4178 02:48:55,200 --> 02:48:56,960 the businesses are struggling there. So 4179 02:48:56,960 --> 02:48:59,760 to me I think there's some steps that 4180 02:48:59,760 --> 02:49:01,760 would be valuable in the process that 4181 02:49:01,760 --> 02:49:03,359 maybe have happened and we may not have 4182 02:49:03,359 --> 02:49:05,760 seen them already which is a true 4183 02:49:05,760 --> 02:49:08,640 economic analysis uh of the potential 4184 02:49:08,640 --> 02:49:10,640 uses of this property and their impact 4185 02:49:10,640 --> 02:49:13,120 on the city. an analysis of the de the 4186 02:49:13,120 --> 02:49:15,200 demographics of the city and where the 4187 02:49:15,200 --> 02:49:17,840 city is going in terms of the population 4188 02:49:17,840 --> 02:49:20,240 in terms of age in terms of economic 4189 02:49:20,240 --> 02:49:22,960 strata. So that we're planning for the 4190 02:49:22,960 --> 02:49:25,120 overall experience of the city and not 4191 02:49:25,120 --> 02:49:27,920 just looking at this as a use plan but a 4192 02:49:27,920 --> 02:49:29,840 plan that really defines where we 4193 02:49:29,840 --> 02:49:32,880 believe the city should go uh overall as 4194 02:49:32,880 --> 02:49:35,600 a as an integrated component of the city 4195 02:49:35,600 --> 02:49:38,399 not as a separated uh parcel from the 4196 02:49:38,399 --> 02:49:41,040 city. So everything from a historic uh 4197 02:49:41,040 --> 02:49:43,439 analysis, an economic analysis to a 4198 02:49:43,439 --> 02:49:44,800 certain degree the environmental 4199 02:49:44,800 --> 02:49:47,760 analysis. It feels to me that those 4200 02:49:47,760 --> 02:49:49,439 should be part of this conversation. 4201 02:49:49,439 --> 02:49:51,840 Understanding that in typical uh 4202 02:49:51,840 --> 02:49:53,600 planning there's sometimes the steps 4203 02:49:53,600 --> 02:49:56,720 happen a little later but having those 4204 02:49:56,720 --> 02:49:59,359 having that analysis done so that we can 4205 02:49:59,359 --> 02:50:02,240 make the decisions properly around the 4206 02:50:02,240 --> 02:50:05,279 land use having the the information and 4207 02:50:05,279 --> 02:50:07,760 the data around what we've learned with 4208 02:50:07,760 --> 02:50:10,160 that kind of analytics ahead of time the 4209 02:50:10,160 --> 02:50:12,479 housing analytics ahead of time as an 4210 02:50:12,479 --> 02:50:14,640 example would be extraordinarily 4211 02:50:14,640 --> 02:50:16,720 valuable in this process. 4212 02:50:16,720 --> 02:50:17,349 >> Thank you. 4213 02:50:17,349 --> 02:50:17,359 » Thank you. 4214 02:50:17,359 --> 02:50:23,510 >> Thank you very much. 4215 02:50:23,520 --> 02:50:28,399 Mr. Barnett, state your name, please. 4216 02:50:28,399 --> 02:50:30,160 Uh, Chair Hyrick, members of the 4217 02:50:30,160 --> 02:50:32,560 commission. Um, 4218 02:50:32,560 --> 02:50:35,840 Council Barnett, um, I have a few 4219 02:50:35,840 --> 02:50:36,800 thoughts here, so I'm going to go 4220 02:50:36,800 --> 02:50:38,479 through them as quickly as possible. Um, 4221 02:50:38,479 --> 02:50:40,000 this is obviously a very important 4222 02:50:40,000 --> 02:50:42,160 discussion. Um, I think we would all 4223 02:50:42,160 --> 02:50:44,160 agree Soma's number one goal throughout 4224 02:50:44,160 --> 02:50:46,560 this general plan process is to preserve 4225 02:50:46,560 --> 02:50:48,880 community character and authenticity. 4226 02:50:48,880 --> 02:50:50,479 And that means historic significance, 4227 02:50:50,479 --> 02:50:52,800 our quality of life. Um, this is also 4228 02:50:52,800 --> 02:50:55,040 people, making sure that Sonoma 4229 02:50:55,040 --> 02:50:57,840 continues to be or, you know, continues 4230 02:50:57,840 --> 02:50:59,200 to be what it used to be, a full 4231 02:50:59,200 --> 02:51:00,960 spectrum community. And that means all 4232 02:51:00,960 --> 02:51:02,960 different people, all different ages. 4233 02:51:02,960 --> 02:51:05,040 Um, it also means securing our economic 4234 02:51:05,040 --> 02:51:06,560 future. That means considering new 4235 02:51:06,560 --> 02:51:08,880 sources of revenue and also housing. 4236 02:51:08,880 --> 02:51:12,080 Housing is an economic issue as well and 4237 02:51:12,080 --> 02:51:14,399 it also is preserving as much local 4238 02:51:14,399 --> 02:51:16,640 control as possible in an era of new 4239 02:51:16,640 --> 02:51:18,960 state housing laws and so there are 4240 02:51:18,960 --> 02:51:20,720 smart strategies to make sure all of the 4241 02:51:20,720 --> 02:51:23,040 above happen but some modifications need 4242 02:51:23,040 --> 02:51:25,520 to be made in this general plan uh 4243 02:51:25,520 --> 02:51:28,000 proposal and draft going forward. First 4244 02:51:28,000 --> 02:51:29,920 I want to talk about the Sonoma mixeduse 4245 02:51:29,920 --> 02:51:32,319 plan. Um, if we are updating the land 4246 02:51:32,319 --> 02:51:34,479 use, if we are updating our general plan 4247 02:51:34,479 --> 02:51:36,319 for the next 25 years, I really think 4248 02:51:36,319 --> 02:51:39,200 now is the time to discuss this area and 4249 02:51:39,200 --> 02:51:41,359 and honestly take the time to get it 4250 02:51:41,359 --> 02:51:42,880 right. I mean, don't decide tonight. 4251 02:51:42,880 --> 02:51:44,399 Don't decide next month. Take as much 4252 02:51:44,399 --> 02:51:46,319 time as you need to get this right. Um, 4253 02:51:46,319 --> 02:51:48,479 but in my view, status quo is not the 4254 02:51:48,479 --> 02:51:49,520 option. I think that would be 4255 02:51:49,520 --> 02:51:51,600 irresponsible. I think that would be a 4256 02:51:51,600 --> 02:51:54,000 failure of your fiduciary duty and the 4257 02:51:54,000 --> 02:51:57,840 city council's fiduciary duty. Um, 4258 02:51:57,840 --> 02:51:59,920 uh, Commissioner Willer's proposal, you 4259 02:51:59,920 --> 02:52:02,479 know, to, uh, accept applications as 4260 02:52:02,479 --> 02:52:03,920 they come in and do a general plan 4261 02:52:03,920 --> 02:52:06,160 amendment is not a bad idea. The reality 4262 02:52:06,160 --> 02:52:08,080 is through that process, once the land 4263 02:52:08,080 --> 02:52:10,160 is reszoned, that plan could change and 4264 02:52:10,160 --> 02:52:12,319 those new state housing laws could apply 4265 02:52:12,319 --> 02:52:14,800 anyway. Um, spe special planning areas 4266 02:52:14,800 --> 02:52:16,720 are ideas as well, but state density 4267 02:52:16,720 --> 02:52:19,680 bonus law, all the new state laws apply 4268 02:52:19,680 --> 02:52:22,479 to special planning use areas as well. 4269 02:52:22,479 --> 02:52:24,399 And so I think a hotel use should be 4270 02:52:24,399 --> 02:52:26,720 considered. Of all the hotels that have 4271 02:52:26,720 --> 02:52:28,479 been considered over the last tw since 4272 02:52:28,479 --> 02:52:30,640 1999, I think this is actually the most 4273 02:52:30,640 --> 02:52:32,479 natural place for one instead of right 4274 02:52:32,479 --> 02:52:34,800 on the plaza or on our public lands over 4275 02:52:34,800 --> 02:52:37,200 the hill. When it comes to housing, um 4276 02:52:37,200 --> 02:52:38,960 that has been the number one priority of 4277 02:52:38,960 --> 02:52:40,560 the Sonoma Council for the last 10 4278 02:52:40,560 --> 02:52:42,240 years. And I think it would be a little 4279 02:52:42,240 --> 02:52:44,240 contradictory or hypocritical not to 4280 02:52:44,240 --> 02:52:46,319 consider housing for these properties. 4281 02:52:46,319 --> 02:52:48,800 Um, that said, neighbor concerns, all of 4282 02:52:48,800 --> 02:52:50,720 our concerns about the new state housing 4283 02:52:50,720 --> 02:52:54,240 laws are are real. Um, and that's why I 4284 02:52:54,240 --> 02:52:55,840 think the current proposed densities are 4285 02:52:55,840 --> 02:52:57,520 way too high, not just in the Sonoma 4286 02:52:57,520 --> 02:52:59,200 mixed use zone, but every zone 4287 02:52:59,200 --> 02:53:00,960 throughout Soma, because state density 4288 02:53:00,960 --> 02:53:02,800 bonus law allows you not to just get 4289 02:53:02,800 --> 02:53:05,760 50%, but through AB1287, you can do a 4290 02:53:05,760 --> 02:53:07,359 stackable density bonus, and you can 4291 02:53:07,359 --> 02:53:10,160 double the maximum density. And when you 4292 02:53:10,160 --> 02:53:11,920 double the maximum density, you often 4293 02:53:11,920 --> 02:53:13,600 require the waiverss and concessions 4294 02:53:13,600 --> 02:53:15,520 needed from the development code. And so 4295 02:53:15,520 --> 02:53:17,760 in my view, we should be lowering all of 4296 02:53:17,760 --> 02:53:19,439 the densities. And besides, we've had 4297 02:53:19,439 --> 02:53:21,600 maximum densities of 20 units an acre 4298 02:53:21,600 --> 02:53:25,120 over the last 25 years in Soma. And no 4299 02:53:25,120 --> 02:53:26,640 project has been built. I don't think 4300 02:53:26,640 --> 02:53:29,359 economics justify those higher densities 4301 02:53:29,359 --> 02:53:31,359 in Soma. I think, you know, they sound 4302 02:53:31,359 --> 02:53:33,600 good often, but they oftent times don't 4303 02:53:33,600 --> 02:53:35,200 come to fruition for a variety of 4304 02:53:35,200 --> 02:53:37,279 reasons, and the economics don't just 4305 02:53:37,279 --> 02:53:39,600 pencil. And so I think there are, if I 4306 02:53:39,600 --> 02:53:41,920 can just have a few few seconds. Chair 4307 02:53:41,920 --> 02:53:42,800 Wy, 4308 02:53:42,800 --> 02:53:43,750 >> 20 more seconds. 4309 02:53:43,750 --> 02:53:43,760 » 20 more seconds. 4310 02:53:43,760 --> 02:53:45,910 >> All right. I have three solutions. We 4311 02:53:45,910 --> 02:53:45,920 » All right. I have three solutions. We 4312 02:53:45,920 --> 02:53:47,680 have to lower the minimum and maximum 4313 02:53:47,680 --> 02:53:49,600 densities, not just here, but throughout 4314 02:53:49,600 --> 02:53:52,800 throughout the city. Um, and another uh 4315 02:53:52,800 --> 02:53:54,720 potential solution is the historic 4316 02:53:54,720 --> 02:53:57,680 district. I think the Sebastian um 4317 02:53:57,680 --> 02:53:59,120 historic district along First Street 4318 02:53:59,120 --> 02:54:00,880 East should expanded to include the 4319 02:54:00,880 --> 02:54:02,720 entire property. A lot of the new state 4320 02:54:02,720 --> 02:54:04,960 housing laws do not apply to sites that 4321 02:54:04,960 --> 02:54:06,960 have historic structures or historic 4322 02:54:06,960 --> 02:54:08,880 districts on them. And while the density 4323 02:54:08,880 --> 02:54:10,960 bonus still does, it is much easier for 4324 02:54:10,960 --> 02:54:13,600 the city and Jennifer over there to deny 4325 02:54:13,600 --> 02:54:15,520 waiverss or concessions by making a 4326 02:54:15,520 --> 02:54:17,680 finding that impairs the character of a 4327 02:54:17,680 --> 02:54:19,920 historic district. So I think now is the 4328 02:54:19,920 --> 02:54:21,680 time to do this, but there are solutions 4329 02:54:21,680 --> 02:54:23,520 that we haven't been discussing that I 4330 02:54:23,520 --> 02:54:24,960 think would make everyone happy with 4331 02:54:24,960 --> 02:54:26,319 this process. Thank you. 4332 02:54:26,319 --> 02:54:33,590 >> Thank you, 4333 02:54:33,600 --> 02:54:35,359 » Mr. Woods. Step forward and state your 4334 02:54:35,359 --> 02:54:37,359 name, please. 4335 02:54:37,359 --> 02:54:39,840 Michael Woods, M chairman and members of 4336 02:54:39,840 --> 02:54:42,640 the commission. Um I agree with Ko to 4337 02:54:42,640 --> 02:54:45,359 the extent that the densities are are an 4338 02:54:45,359 --> 02:54:48,560 issue. I also think that amending the 4339 02:54:48,560 --> 02:54:51,680 general plan to accommodate a project 4340 02:54:51,680 --> 02:54:54,640 that you don't have in front of you is 4341 02:54:54,640 --> 02:54:56,399 challenging. It's challenging for the 4342 02:54:56,399 --> 02:54:58,399 community. I'm usually here with 4343 02:54:58,399 --> 02:55:02,080 developers as you know. Um so so so my 4344 02:55:02,080 --> 02:55:05,279 view is sort of taken from lots of 4345 02:55:05,279 --> 02:55:06,640 projects that I've been involved with 4346 02:55:06,640 --> 02:55:08,800 and also working with cities over the 4347 02:55:08,800 --> 02:55:13,040 years. Your general plan jurisdiction is 4348 02:55:13,040 --> 02:55:16,720 one of the few tools in your bag of 4349 02:55:16,720 --> 02:55:18,399 municipal tricks so to speak where 4350 02:55:18,399 --> 02:55:21,920 you've still got some control. And I say 4351 02:55:21,920 --> 02:55:25,439 that some control underscore some. Um, I 4352 02:55:25,439 --> 02:55:26,800 don't think you can put it past the 4353 02:55:26,800 --> 02:55:28,800 legislature to at some point in the next 4354 02:55:28,800 --> 02:55:30,479 couple of years say that if you've got a 4355 02:55:30,479 --> 02:55:32,240 mixeduse district that allows commercial 4356 02:55:32,240 --> 02:55:34,640 and residential, thou shalt not prohibit 4357 02:55:34,640 --> 02:55:37,279 a 100% residential project. And if 4358 02:55:37,279 --> 02:55:40,960 you've got a 25 DU per density, you 4359 02:55:40,960 --> 02:55:43,439 know, units per acre in your general 4360 02:55:43,439 --> 02:55:46,720 plan, theoretically, you could have a 4361 02:55:46,720 --> 02:55:49,040 very large project and theoretically it 4362 02:55:49,040 --> 02:55:51,120 could be exempt from seeker review and a 4363 02:55:51,120 --> 02:55:53,680 ministerial approval. And giving up that 4364 02:55:53,680 --> 02:55:57,040 discretion to me is not advisable. You 4365 02:55:57,040 --> 02:55:58,479 know, I'm used to seeing the planning 4366 02:55:58,479 --> 02:56:01,439 commission exercise its discretion, use 4367 02:56:01,439 --> 02:56:04,319 SQA as a tool, impose mitigation 4368 02:56:04,319 --> 02:56:06,560 measures to reduce potentially 4369 02:56:06,560 --> 02:56:08,479 significant environmental impacts to a 4370 02:56:08,479 --> 02:56:10,560 level of insignificance. You know, we're 4371 02:56:10,560 --> 02:56:12,479 used to those tools, but in the current 4372 02:56:12,479 --> 02:56:15,359 environment, if you don't keep your 4373 02:56:15,359 --> 02:56:18,160 discretion alive to control your general 4374 02:56:18,160 --> 02:56:20,640 plan, I think you're giving up a lot. 4375 02:56:20,640 --> 02:56:23,600 Um, and I'm I'm I would think that if if 4376 02:56:23,600 --> 02:56:26,000 you have a binary choice of either to 4377 02:56:26,000 --> 02:56:28,720 adopt Sonoma mixed use for this site 4378 02:56:28,720 --> 02:56:31,359 with a lot of density involved or leave 4379 02:56:31,359 --> 02:56:33,439 it at the status quo, I think you should 4380 02:56:33,439 --> 02:56:36,160 leave it at the status quo. I don't know 4381 02:56:36,160 --> 02:56:39,200 that that's a binary choice for you, but 4382 02:56:39,200 --> 02:56:42,160 minimally the densities would have to go 4383 02:56:42,160 --> 02:56:44,960 way way down. Thank you very much. 4384 02:56:44,960 --> 02:56:49,269 >> Thank you very much for your comments. 4385 02:56:49,279 --> 02:56:51,359 Okay. Are there any other members of the 4386 02:56:51,359 --> 02:56:53,760 public who wish to come forward and 4387 02:56:53,760 --> 02:56:58,160 address the commission on this topic? 4388 02:56:58,160 --> 02:57:00,640 Okay. Seeing none, I will close public 4389 02:57:00,640 --> 02:57:02,479 comment and I will bring back to the 4390 02:57:02,479 --> 02:57:05,840 commission for discussion. 4391 02:57:05,840 --> 02:57:10,160 Let me ask a process question. 4392 02:57:10,160 --> 02:57:12,790 >> Um, what do we want to try to accomplish 4393 02:57:12,790 --> 02:57:12,800 » Um, what do we want to try to accomplish 4394 02:57:12,800 --> 02:57:17,120 going forward tonight on this topic? 4395 02:57:17,120 --> 02:57:19,040 Garter Gates, 4396 02:57:19,040 --> 02:57:22,960 do you what type of what what type of 4397 02:57:22,960 --> 02:57:25,200 feedback or direction would be the most 4398 02:57:25,200 --> 02:57:27,279 helpful for you in light of the public 4399 02:57:27,279 --> 02:57:30,240 comment we heard and in light of the 4400 02:57:30,240 --> 02:57:31,840 comments 4401 02:57:31,840 --> 02:57:35,680 uh thus far by the commission. 4402 02:57:35,680 --> 02:57:38,960 So, um 4403 02:57:38,960 --> 02:57:40,560 I 4404 02:57:40,560 --> 02:57:43,439 would like to hear 4405 02:57:43,439 --> 02:57:48,720 kind of a straw vote of what um 4406 02:57:48,720 --> 02:57:52,399 individually so I can get my straw vote 4407 02:57:52,399 --> 02:57:56,000 um what they're your guys are thinking 4408 02:57:56,000 --> 02:58:00,399 um individually um in regards to Sonoma 4409 02:58:00,399 --> 02:58:04,479 mixed use um and then I can present that 4410 02:58:04,479 --> 02:58:06,640 to city council. 4411 02:58:06,640 --> 02:58:08,870 >> So the straw vote suggests that it is a 4412 02:58:08,870 --> 02:58:08,880 » So the straw vote suggests that it is a 4413 02:58:08,880 --> 02:58:11,920 binary choice. So 4414 02:58:11,920 --> 02:58:13,990 >> well it's not necessar like straw vote 4415 02:58:13,990 --> 02:58:14,000 » well it's not necessar like straw vote 4416 02:58:14,000 --> 02:58:17,040 in the sense of continue to work on it. 4417 02:58:17,040 --> 02:58:21,920 Let's just keep it the same or um you 4418 02:58:21,920 --> 02:58:24,720 know we've have some edits some small 4419 02:58:24,720 --> 02:58:28,960 edits being proposed. Um, 4420 02:58:28,960 --> 02:58:31,040 so 4421 02:58:31,040 --> 02:58:32,640 it's just going to depend on kind of 4422 02:58:32,640 --> 02:58:34,240 where you're saying. And when I say 4423 02:58:34,240 --> 02:58:38,240 straw, that's me going, okay, that's 4424 02:58:38,240 --> 02:58:41,680 pause, you know, from this individual. 4425 02:58:41,680 --> 02:58:45,359 Pause. Pause. Or no, I won't continue to 4426 02:58:45,359 --> 02:58:48,399 work on it. It's still a goal on this 4427 02:58:48,399 --> 02:58:51,760 general plan. Um 4428 02:58:51,760 --> 02:58:53,840 the 4429 02:58:53,840 --> 02:58:56,560 um so again March 4th is the meeting 4430 02:58:56,560 --> 02:58:58,800 that we're going to city council and so 4431 02:58:58,800 --> 02:59:01,520 I'll be preparing that staff report next 4432 02:59:01,520 --> 02:59:04,960 week. So I'm going to give an update on 4433 02:59:04,960 --> 02:59:07,840 all of the elements to them and where we 4434 02:59:07,840 --> 02:59:10,399 are in the process. So tonight is the 4435 02:59:10,399 --> 02:59:12,080 last bit of the elements. There's no 4436 02:59:12,080 --> 02:59:14,319 more elements after tonight if we can 4437 02:59:14,319 --> 02:59:17,040 get through them. Um 4438 02:59:17,040 --> 02:59:21,279 I there's not a lot of on the other two. 4439 02:59:21,279 --> 02:59:23,520 Um 4440 02:59:23,520 --> 02:59:28,399 but in that in that sense so I will 4441 02:59:28,399 --> 02:59:29,520 put that forward. 4442 02:59:29,520 --> 02:59:31,030 >> Okay. So so to 4443 02:59:31,030 --> 02:59:31,040 » Okay. So so to 4444 02:59:31,040 --> 02:59:32,950 >> ask a clarifying followup. 4445 02:59:32,950 --> 02:59:32,960 » ask a clarifying followup. 4446 02:59:32,960 --> 02:59:34,550 >> Yes you can. 4447 02:59:34,550 --> 02:59:34,560 » Yes you can. 4448 02:59:34,560 --> 02:59:38,150 >> Okay. Just so just so I understand, 4449 02:59:38,150 --> 02:59:38,160 » Okay. Just so just so I understand, 4450 02:59:38,160 --> 02:59:44,080 are you saying that that you're going to 4451 02:59:44,080 --> 02:59:48,479 uh I guess I'm a little concerned that 4452 02:59:48,479 --> 02:59:50,880 that we're going to the city council at 4453 02:59:50,880 --> 02:59:53,040 this point. 4454 02:59:53,040 --> 02:59:55,359 I is it going to the city council for 4455 02:59:55,359 --> 02:59:58,160 them to render a decision about anything 4456 02:59:58,160 --> 03:00:01,920 or is this just information? So, um, 4457 03:00:01,920 --> 03:00:03,760 based on the discussion tonight, any 4458 03:00:03,760 --> 03:00:05,200 changes, right, we're making 4459 03:00:05,200 --> 03:00:07,520 modifications to the different elements. 4460 03:00:07,520 --> 03:00:09,359 Yeah. So that we can finalize these 4461 03:00:09,359 --> 03:00:12,080 drafts to get them, um, get into the 4462 03:00:12,080 --> 03:00:13,600 finish up the environmental review 4463 03:00:13,600 --> 03:00:17,279 process. So that is the goal for 4464 03:00:17,279 --> 03:00:19,279 tonight. And then the goal for the March 4465 03:00:19,279 --> 03:00:22,240 3rd is to kind of finalize these drafts. 4466 03:00:22,240 --> 03:00:26,479 So in that sense it is a kind of 4467 03:00:26,479 --> 03:00:31,439 direction I'm seeking um to move forward 4468 03:00:31,439 --> 03:00:36,319 versus pause the general plan. 4469 03:00:36,319 --> 03:00:42,710 >> Okay. So um um the this timetable 4470 03:00:42,710 --> 03:00:42,720 » Okay. So um um the this timetable 4471 03:00:42,720 --> 03:00:46,080 is this um 4472 03:00:46,080 --> 03:00:48,880 uh is this something where that is a 4473 03:00:48,880 --> 03:00:51,920 self-imposed timetable? In other words, 4474 03:00:51,920 --> 03:00:56,399 what I'm what I'm sensing is that uh 4475 03:00:56,399 --> 03:01:00,640 there are a lot of opinions out there 4476 03:01:00,640 --> 03:01:05,920 about how to go forward and they range. 4477 03:01:05,920 --> 03:01:10,240 And if I were asked tonight to render a 4478 03:01:10,240 --> 03:01:12,319 final opinion as to what I think we 4479 03:01:12,319 --> 03:01:14,399 should do, for example, with this land 4480 03:01:14,399 --> 03:01:18,240 use designation we're talking about. Um, 4481 03:01:18,240 --> 03:01:21,279 I would do it if I had to, but I hate to 4482 03:01:21,279 --> 03:01:28,800 feel pushed to do it um without 4483 03:01:28,800 --> 03:01:31,279 uh more opportunity for conversation and 4484 03:01:31,279 --> 03:01:34,080 discussion. It's already 9:00. We're not 4485 03:01:34,080 --> 03:01:36,960 going to go on for another two hours. 4486 03:01:36,960 --> 03:01:39,120 At least I'm not. 4487 03:01:39,120 --> 03:01:44,000 And and um I'm concerned that that we're 4488 03:01:44,000 --> 03:01:45,840 moving ahead 4489 03:01:45,840 --> 03:01:47,359 quickly, 4490 03:01:47,359 --> 03:01:50,800 but I'm not sure what the what the 4491 03:01:50,800 --> 03:01:53,920 timetable or the establishment of the 4492 03:01:53,920 --> 03:01:56,720 deadlines for these timetables where 4493 03:01:56,720 --> 03:01:58,160 they're coming from. Is this something 4494 03:01:58,160 --> 03:02:00,560 we've self-imposed? Is something that 4495 03:02:00,560 --> 03:02:02,399 you want to do? Is it something the city 4496 03:02:02,399 --> 03:02:04,160 council has imposed? Is it the 4497 03:02:04,160 --> 03:02:05,680 consultantism? 4498 03:02:05,680 --> 03:02:07,120 Where are these where are these dates 4499 03:02:07,120 --> 03:02:08,399 coming from? 4500 03:02:08,399 --> 03:02:15,190 >> Um so it is um a goal to complete the 4501 03:02:15,190 --> 03:02:15,200 » Um so it is um a goal to complete the 4502 03:02:15,200 --> 03:02:18,560 process by the fall before the fall 4503 03:02:18,560 --> 03:02:21,279 except September. And so working 4504 03:02:21,279 --> 03:02:24,880 backwards within an EIR and another 60 4505 03:02:24,880 --> 03:02:27,600 days of public comment still to occur. 4506 03:02:27,600 --> 03:02:30,080 That's where we're kind of falling into 4507 03:02:30,080 --> 03:02:34,560 it is that the edits and everything need 4508 03:02:34,560 --> 03:02:37,520 to get to the consultant, finalize the 4509 03:02:37,520 --> 03:02:39,680 EIR so that we can release it for that 4510 03:02:39,680 --> 03:02:43,120 60-day um time frame. 4511 03:02:43,120 --> 03:02:45,670 >> Okay. And and the and the completion 4512 03:02:45,670 --> 03:02:45,680 » Okay. And and the and the completion 4513 03:02:45,680 --> 03:02:48,560 date that you've targeted in the fall 4514 03:02:48,560 --> 03:02:51,520 and I don't know whether we're talking 4515 03:02:51,520 --> 03:02:52,720 October. 4516 03:02:52,720 --> 03:02:55,510 >> Okay. So, you've got a clear date in 4517 03:02:55,510 --> 03:02:55,520 » Okay. So, you've got a clear date in 4518 03:02:55,520 --> 03:02:57,760 mind. Is that once again is that 4519 03:02:57,760 --> 03:03:00,560 something that is being imposed upon us 4520 03:03:00,560 --> 03:03:02,880 by the consultant? Is it being imposed 4521 03:03:02,880 --> 03:03:05,680 upon us by anybody? 4522 03:03:05,680 --> 03:03:08,720 Or is it just simply what you would like 4523 03:03:08,720 --> 03:03:12,399 to do so you can get on with business. 4524 03:03:12,399 --> 03:03:15,439 Not to I'm not I'm not saying that in a 4525 03:03:15,439 --> 03:03:17,600 in a derogatory way. And 4526 03:03:17,600 --> 03:03:19,190 >> what are the what are the repercussions 4527 03:03:19,190 --> 03:03:19,200 » what are the what are the repercussions 4528 03:03:19,200 --> 03:03:21,040 of not meeting the goal? 4529 03:03:21,040 --> 03:03:23,110 >> Um that we probably will delay for 4530 03:03:23,110 --> 03:03:23,120 » Um that we probably will delay for 4531 03:03:23,120 --> 03:03:26,240 another year. 4532 03:03:26,240 --> 03:03:27,439 Why is that? 4533 03:03:27,439 --> 03:03:32,070 >> Um just because of timing of what's um 4534 03:03:32,070 --> 03:03:32,080 » Um just because of timing of what's um 4535 03:03:32,080 --> 03:03:34,880 going to be occurring in the fall. 4536 03:03:34,880 --> 03:03:38,950 >> Okay. And that that doesn't if let's 4537 03:03:38,950 --> 03:03:38,960 » Okay. And that that doesn't if let's 4538 03:03:38,960 --> 03:03:41,040 explore that just for a moment. If we 4539 03:03:41,040 --> 03:03:42,720 delayed for another year, we're not 4540 03:03:42,720 --> 03:03:44,479 violating state laws. 4541 03:03:44,479 --> 03:03:46,550 >> I have two elements that do need to get 4542 03:03:46,550 --> 03:03:46,560 » I have two elements that do need to get 4543 03:03:46,560 --> 03:03:47,520 done. Yes. 4544 03:03:47,520 --> 03:03:49,750 >> My safety element is already 4545 03:03:49,750 --> 03:03:49,760 » My safety element is already 4546 03:03:49,760 --> 03:03:50,710 >> Yes. 4547 03:03:50,710 --> 03:03:50,720 » Yes. 4548 03:03:50,720 --> 03:03:53,510 >> should have been done two years ago. Um 4549 03:03:53,510 --> 03:03:53,520 » should have been done two years ago. Um 4550 03:03:53,520 --> 03:03:57,840 and then I um one other element needs to 4551 03:03:57,840 --> 03:03:59,840 get done. I think it was the circulation 4552 03:03:59,840 --> 03:04:01,040 that's 4553 03:04:01,040 --> 03:04:03,429 >> okay. But but the but the overall 4554 03:04:03,429 --> 03:04:03,439 » okay. But but the but the overall 4555 03:04:03,439 --> 03:04:05,840 general plan update accepting those 4556 03:04:05,840 --> 03:04:09,840 elements that are that are overdue. Um 4557 03:04:09,840 --> 03:04:13,040 uh there's no we're not in risk of 4558 03:04:13,040 --> 03:04:15,520 violating some timetable of the state 4559 03:04:15,520 --> 03:04:17,279 for the approval of the new general 4560 03:04:17,279 --> 03:04:18,160 plan. Right. 4561 03:04:18,160 --> 03:04:19,670 >> Not for the rest of it. 4562 03:04:19,670 --> 03:04:19,680 » Not for the rest of it. 4563 03:04:19,680 --> 03:04:22,790 >> Okay. Um, you know, for example, you 4564 03:04:22,790 --> 03:04:22,800 » Okay. Um, you know, for example, you 4565 03:04:22,800 --> 03:04:24,880 mentioned the safety element. I mean, we 4566 03:04:24,880 --> 03:04:27,840 haven't had a robust discussion yet 4567 03:04:27,840 --> 03:04:33,200 about the nexus of the safety element 4568 03:04:33,200 --> 03:04:35,600 and where development ought to occur in 4569 03:04:35,600 --> 03:04:38,160 the community based on the high fire 4570 03:04:38,160 --> 03:04:43,200 risk zones. There may be that with a 4571 03:04:43,200 --> 03:04:45,439 further exploration of a topic like 4572 03:04:45,439 --> 03:04:48,399 that, the conclusion that would be drawn 4573 03:04:48,399 --> 03:04:50,800 would be that if development or 4574 03:04:50,800 --> 03:04:54,319 expansion of the city uh development 4575 03:04:54,319 --> 03:04:58,000 should occur, it should occur 4576 03:04:58,000 --> 03:05:02,880 in some place not adjacent to a high 4577 03:05:02,880 --> 03:05:06,160 fire risk zone. I mean, that's that's a 4578 03:05:06,160 --> 03:05:08,479 possible. I'm not saying that that 4579 03:05:08,479 --> 03:05:10,479 that's what will happen, but that's a 4580 03:05:10,479 --> 03:05:13,040 possibility that an analysis would say 4581 03:05:13,040 --> 03:05:15,520 we'd be better off having development on 4582 03:05:15,520 --> 03:05:17,760 the southern end of the city, which is 4583 03:05:17,760 --> 03:05:20,399 not a fire high fire risk zone than on 4584 03:05:20,399 --> 03:05:22,640 the northern end of the city, which is I 4585 03:05:22,640 --> 03:05:24,479 mean, anything north of Napa Street, as 4586 03:05:24,479 --> 03:05:28,080 I understand it, is high fire risk. So, 4587 03:05:28,080 --> 03:05:30,800 um I'm just I just I I guess what I'm 4588 03:05:30,800 --> 03:05:33,040 saying is I I feel like all of a sudden 4589 03:05:33,040 --> 03:05:35,439 we're rushing, and I don't like feeling 4590 03:05:35,439 --> 03:05:43,590 rushed. I hate to make decisions feeling 4591 03:05:43,600 --> 03:05:45,359 » So I think in the straw poll, you know 4592 03:05:45,359 --> 03:05:49,990 where Larry stands. 4593 03:05:50,000 --> 03:05:52,000 » Would it be helpful to go commissioner 4594 03:05:52,000 --> 03:05:57,990 by commissioner and have each give 4595 03:05:58,000 --> 03:06:00,240 three minutes 4596 03:06:00,240 --> 03:06:02,800 of where they stand on the issue? Is 4597 03:06:02,800 --> 03:06:04,720 that how you like to frame a straw poll 4598 03:06:04,720 --> 03:06:07,200 or would you like to frame it in a more 4599 03:06:07,200 --> 03:06:09,040 um what would be the most helpful for 4600 03:06:09,040 --> 03:06:11,680 you to say 4601 03:06:11,680 --> 03:06:13,920 or go commissioner by commissioner and 4602 03:06:13,920 --> 03:06:16,000 say 4603 03:06:16,000 --> 03:06:19,279 give three options do nothing leave it 4604 03:06:19,279 --> 03:06:24,080 as it exists adopt SMU as it's written 4605 03:06:24,080 --> 03:06:26,560 or come back to the table is that 4606 03:06:26,560 --> 03:06:30,240 helpful to simplify things or no 4607 03:06:30,240 --> 03:06:32,790 >> I'd rather have more general eneral 4608 03:06:32,790 --> 03:06:32,800 » I'd rather have more general eneral 4609 03:06:32,800 --> 03:06:36,800 conversation around it than making it so 4610 03:06:36,800 --> 03:06:38,240 strict because I don't think that's 4611 03:06:38,240 --> 03:06:42,000 really quite as applicable. Um, I think 4612 03:06:42,000 --> 03:06:45,279 I already have a general idea of where 4613 03:06:45,279 --> 03:06:49,200 some people sit in that and I can re I 4614 03:06:49,200 --> 03:06:51,359 can state to you all what I hear after 4615 03:06:51,359 --> 03:06:55,840 you say it and then you can nod, shake, 4616 03:06:55,840 --> 03:06:58,720 disagree 4617 03:06:58,720 --> 03:07:00,710 >> um afterwards. But I think just getting 4618 03:07:00,710 --> 03:07:00,720 » um afterwards. But I think just getting 4619 03:07:00,720 --> 03:07:04,399 an understanding of the where you you 4620 03:07:04,399 --> 03:07:06,240 sit on the topic of the Sonoma mixed 4621 03:07:06,240 --> 03:07:10,399 juice. Um that would be helpful. We can 4622 03:07:10,399 --> 03:07:11,760 go from there. 4623 03:07:11,760 --> 03:07:15,429 >> Does everybody understand the 4624 03:07:15,429 --> 03:07:15,439 » Does everybody understand the 4625 03:07:15,439 --> 03:07:18,080 directions? Okay. Commissioner Willers, 4626 03:07:18,080 --> 03:07:20,319 we'll start with you. 4627 03:07:20,319 --> 03:07:24,389 >> Me. Um so I'll try to keep my three 4628 03:07:24,389 --> 03:07:24,399 » Me. Um so I'll try to keep my three 4629 03:07:24,399 --> 03:07:27,600 minute promise here. Uh where I stand is 4630 03:07:27,600 --> 03:07:29,040 I don't think we're in a position to 4631 03:07:29,040 --> 03:07:32,880 make a decision that I I've been 4632 03:07:32,880 --> 03:07:34,399 through, you know, we've been dealing 4633 03:07:34,399 --> 03:07:36,399 with this for over a year. We've been 4634 03:07:36,399 --> 03:07:38,399 talking about it for over We haven't 4635 03:07:38,399 --> 03:07:39,920 been talking about it for over a year. 4636 03:07:39,920 --> 03:07:41,439 We've been able to think about it for 4637 03:07:41,439 --> 03:07:45,120 over a year. Um 4638 03:07:45,120 --> 03:07:48,479 there are too many external influences 4639 03:07:48,479 --> 03:07:53,359 on this general area to responsibly make 4640 03:07:53,359 --> 03:07:57,600 a decision without more information. But 4641 03:07:57,600 --> 03:07:59,439 one piece of information that we do have 4642 03:07:59,439 --> 03:08:02,479 that was the safe study that came along 4643 03:08:02,479 --> 03:08:04,720 that was a very thorough document that I 4644 03:08:04,720 --> 03:08:07,200 spent a lot of time reading and it 4645 03:08:07,200 --> 03:08:10,560 essentially says no hotel 4646 03:08:10,560 --> 03:08:12,800 low density housing 4647 03:08:12,800 --> 03:08:14,560 and you can't do it without improving 4648 03:08:14,560 --> 03:08:16,399 your infrastructure. 4649 03:08:16,399 --> 03:08:18,399 So to me that says if I'm going to pay 4650 03:08:18,399 --> 03:08:21,520 attention to what the study says which 4651 03:08:21,520 --> 03:08:23,600 is an independently 4652 03:08:23,600 --> 03:08:25,680 um you know financed study and has 4653 03:08:25,680 --> 03:08:28,720 people behind it that that aren't a 4654 03:08:28,720 --> 03:08:32,240 third party so to speak. Um what it says 4655 03:08:32,240 --> 03:08:34,080 to me is we have to study the situation 4656 03:08:34,080 --> 03:08:37,920 more before we start applying um uses to 4657 03:08:37,920 --> 03:08:39,840 a property that we don't know enough 4658 03:08:39,840 --> 03:08:41,760 about. 4659 03:08:41,760 --> 03:08:46,160 Um and I and I also think that the 4660 03:08:46,160 --> 03:08:49,520 The special study area is something that 4661 03:08:49,520 --> 03:08:53,600 we could possibly use within the general 4662 03:08:53,600 --> 03:08:56,560 plan context to say that we recognize 4663 03:08:56,560 --> 03:08:58,319 that this is an important piece of 4664 03:08:58,319 --> 03:08:59,760 property that we're going to have to 4665 03:08:59,760 --> 03:09:02,479 deal with in the future and what we need 4666 03:09:02,479 --> 03:09:05,840 to do it as a community via 4667 03:09:05,840 --> 03:09:08,479 the typical process of implementation 4668 03:09:08,479 --> 03:09:10,319 measure. we have to do this within a 4669 03:09:10,319 --> 03:09:12,399 certain period of time to meet the goals 4670 03:09:12,399 --> 03:09:14,560 of our general plan and give us 4671 03:09:14,560 --> 03:09:17,120 ourselves the time to do it and agree 4672 03:09:17,120 --> 03:09:19,680 that we're going to do it so that it 4673 03:09:19,680 --> 03:09:24,080 meets the goals of the 45 general plan. 4674 03:09:24,080 --> 03:09:28,479 So I I my personal opinion is we either 4675 03:09:28,479 --> 03:09:31,520 leave the zoning as it is and let pro 4676 03:09:31,520 --> 03:09:34,080 projects come forward or we take the 4677 03:09:34,080 --> 03:09:36,880 tact of introducing this as a special 4678 03:09:36,880 --> 03:09:39,600 plan area and doing the studies in the 4679 03:09:39,600 --> 03:09:41,840 future so that we can make a reasonable 4680 03:09:41,840 --> 03:09:44,160 decision. 4681 03:09:44,160 --> 03:09:46,710 >> Okay. 4682 03:09:46,710 --> 03:09:46,720 » Okay. 4683 03:09:46,720 --> 03:09:48,319 Bernett. 4684 03:09:48,319 --> 03:09:50,560 Well, I've already said that I I feel 4685 03:09:50,560 --> 03:09:53,200 rushed and I don't like feeling rushed. 4686 03:09:53,200 --> 03:09:58,160 And uh so if that implies that uh we 4687 03:09:58,160 --> 03:10:01,359 just leave things as they are for now, I 4688 03:10:01,359 --> 03:10:04,240 guess that's where I would have to lean 4689 03:10:04,240 --> 03:10:07,279 that um I don't I wouldn't feel prepared 4690 03:10:07,279 --> 03:10:11,520 tonight to highly define how we're going 4691 03:10:11,520 --> 03:10:16,000 to use these this uh these parcels. um 4692 03:10:16,000 --> 03:10:19,200 because I I I don't feel we've had a 4693 03:10:19,200 --> 03:10:21,840 robust enough examination or discussion. 4694 03:10:21,840 --> 03:10:25,120 This is really the first time we've had 4695 03:10:25,120 --> 03:10:27,760 uh back and forth or the opportunity to 4696 03:10:27,760 --> 03:10:30,240 respond to the concerns of the 4697 03:10:30,240 --> 03:10:32,080 residents. And I will characterize 4698 03:10:32,080 --> 03:10:35,200 myself as I always have in any public 4699 03:10:35,200 --> 03:10:40,160 capacity as resident centric. Um and uh 4700 03:10:40,160 --> 03:10:44,319 I believe that um all decisions that the 4701 03:10:44,319 --> 03:10:46,160 city makes 4702 03:10:46,160 --> 03:10:48,800 have to be considered in light of what 4703 03:10:48,800 --> 03:10:52,000 does the community want. And it's only 4704 03:10:52,000 --> 03:10:53,680 through forums like this and 4705 03:10:53,680 --> 03:10:56,319 opportunities like this that you can get 4706 03:10:56,319 --> 03:10:58,640 a sense of it unless you put something 4707 03:10:58,640 --> 03:11:00,720 on the ballot and have a vote. I've done 4708 03:11:00,720 --> 03:11:07,680 that too. Um so um I I would support um 4709 03:11:07,680 --> 03:11:09,680 Commissioner Willer's point of view in 4710 03:11:09,680 --> 03:11:13,120 terms of the potential of looking at uh 4711 03:11:13,120 --> 03:11:15,439 uh special plan 4712 03:11:15,439 --> 03:11:19,600 or leaving it alone for now and um with 4713 03:11:19,600 --> 03:11:21,680 all due respect to Jennifer and her 4714 03:11:21,680 --> 03:11:25,680 goals and and and your timetable and the 4715 03:11:25,680 --> 03:11:27,520 pressures you feel in the job you've 4716 03:11:27,520 --> 03:11:31,520 got. I just I I hate making decisions 4717 03:11:31,520 --> 03:11:33,600 and going with recommendations to the 4718 03:11:33,600 --> 03:11:37,510 city council prematurely. 4719 03:11:37,520 --> 03:11:43,590 » Thank you, Commissioner N. 4720 03:11:43,600 --> 03:11:46,160 » I don't need three minutes. Um I feel 4721 03:11:46,160 --> 03:11:48,960 strongly that I'm not uh after tonight's 4722 03:11:48,960 --> 03:11:50,640 discussion, which is really the first 4723 03:11:50,640 --> 03:11:53,200 discussion that we've had at at this 4724 03:11:53,200 --> 03:11:56,880 capacity of a of a commission. 4725 03:11:56,880 --> 03:12:00,160 Um, I'm not personally uh informed 4726 03:12:00,160 --> 03:12:03,520 enough and would uh welcome further 4727 03:12:03,520 --> 03:12:06,319 discussion. Um, it would be 4728 03:12:06,319 --> 03:12:13,439 irresponsible for me to um to weigh in 4729 03:12:13,439 --> 03:12:16,240 further until we had an opportunity for 4730 03:12:16,240 --> 03:12:18,399 further discussion and I would want that 4731 03:12:18,399 --> 03:12:19,680 further discussion for my own 4732 03:12:19,680 --> 03:12:21,439 edification so that I can make a 4733 03:12:21,439 --> 03:12:24,880 responsible uh decision on this. 4734 03:12:24,880 --> 03:12:27,190 >> Great. Thank you, Commissioner 4735 03:12:27,190 --> 03:12:27,200 » Great. Thank you, Commissioner 4736 03:12:27,200 --> 03:12:30,319 Yes, thank you. Um, I I actually agree 4737 03:12:30,319 --> 03:12:31,680 with all the comments that have been 4738 03:12:31,680 --> 03:12:33,920 expressed by my colleagues. I came into 4739 03:12:33,920 --> 03:12:36,960 this tonight not comfortable with a 4740 03:12:36,960 --> 03:12:40,080 Sonoma mixeduse designation. Um, but I 4741 03:12:40,080 --> 03:12:43,520 was unclear of some of the options. Um, 4742 03:12:43,520 --> 03:12:45,840 I think uh, Commissioner Willer's 4743 03:12:45,840 --> 03:12:47,760 recommendation for status quo is 4744 03:12:47,760 --> 03:12:49,680 intriguing. I think there are still some 4745 03:12:49,680 --> 03:12:52,080 inherent risks to that that I want to 4746 03:12:52,080 --> 03:12:54,800 examine further. I appreciate the 4747 03:12:54,800 --> 03:12:57,840 public's um recommendation for, you 4748 03:12:57,840 --> 03:13:00,880 know, an SRRA. Um but I also think there 4749 03:13:00,880 --> 03:13:02,640 are inherent risks associated with that. 4750 03:13:02,640 --> 03:13:04,479 As some of you know, I'm very involved 4751 03:13:04,479 --> 03:13:06,880 in state policy. I am not responsible 4752 03:13:06,880 --> 03:13:09,040 for the land use policies and the 4753 03:13:09,040 --> 03:13:10,399 housing policies that have been 4754 03:13:10,399 --> 03:13:12,560 implemented at the state level, but I do 4755 03:13:12,560 --> 03:13:15,200 watch them carefully. And so I'm trying 4756 03:13:15,200 --> 03:13:17,920 to balance the risks of some of these 4757 03:13:17,920 --> 03:13:19,520 recommendations because I think that's 4758 03:13:19,520 --> 03:13:22,640 important. And I'm I'm equally intrigued 4759 03:13:22,640 --> 03:13:24,479 by some of the other comments that were 4760 03:13:24,479 --> 03:13:27,359 made about a historic overlay, maybe 4761 03:13:27,359 --> 03:13:30,720 further examination of of our density 4762 03:13:30,720 --> 03:13:33,439 designations. Um, I'm not trying to open 4763 03:13:33,439 --> 03:13:35,359 up a whole can of worms here, but there 4764 03:13:35,359 --> 03:13:38,239 those are intriguing proposals and so I 4765 03:13:38,239 --> 03:13:41,439 don't feel terribly informed enough to 4766 03:13:41,439 --> 03:13:44,239 make a a recommendation to the council. 4767 03:13:44,239 --> 03:13:46,880 And I also really want to express my 4768 03:13:46,880 --> 03:13:49,359 appreciation to the public. We have 4769 03:13:49,359 --> 03:13:51,680 heard you. I did read those comments, by 4770 03:13:51,680 --> 03:13:53,760 the way. There were there were a few um 4771 03:13:53,760 --> 03:13:55,520 in the hundreds of letters we received 4772 03:13:55,520 --> 03:13:57,040 that we're not reading them. And I can 4773 03:13:57,040 --> 03:13:59,279 assure you that all of us here are and 4774 03:13:59,279 --> 03:14:01,359 we've taken this very seriously. But we 4775 03:14:01,359 --> 03:14:03,600 also have a job and um sometimes 4776 03:14:03,600 --> 03:14:05,840 maintaining poker face is important, but 4777 03:14:05,840 --> 03:14:08,319 we hear you and we value your opinions 4778 03:14:08,319 --> 03:14:10,239 and I think we want to make the most 4779 03:14:10,239 --> 03:14:12,960 informed decision that guides the future 4780 03:14:12,960 --> 03:14:15,120 of this community. And I I do support a 4781 03:14:15,120 --> 03:14:17,200 diverse community. So, I think um this 4782 03:14:17,200 --> 03:14:19,520 general plan update is extremely 4783 03:14:19,520 --> 03:14:22,800 important and we need more time. 4784 03:14:22,800 --> 03:14:25,349 >> Thank you, Mr. Nova. 4785 03:14:25,349 --> 03:14:25,359 » Thank you, Mr. Nova. 4786 03:14:25,359 --> 03:14:27,750 >> So, um I too am not comfortable moving 4787 03:14:27,750 --> 03:14:27,760 » So, um I too am not comfortable moving 4788 03:14:27,760 --> 03:14:30,479 forward with just an overlay of the this 4789 03:14:30,479 --> 03:14:34,560 snow and mixed use. And what I um you 4790 03:14:34,560 --> 03:14:36,479 know, I agree we've been I've been 4791 03:14:36,479 --> 03:14:38,160 really thinking about this a lot. I've 4792 03:14:38,160 --> 03:14:40,560 heard from a lot of folks um and I 4793 03:14:40,560 --> 03:14:42,319 really appreciate the comments and I 4794 03:14:42,319 --> 03:14:45,840 think what I've heard tonight were also 4795 03:14:45,840 --> 03:14:49,120 a lot of new ideas around um this idea 4796 03:14:49,120 --> 03:14:51,359 of maintaining control, the idea of 4797 03:14:51,359 --> 03:14:54,720 being creative about this. And I 4798 03:14:54,720 --> 03:14:57,040 personally would like us to to move 4799 03:14:57,040 --> 03:14:59,600 forward and try to incorporate some of 4800 03:14:59,600 --> 03:15:02,319 the things we heard today as a a way to 4801 03:15:02,319 --> 03:15:04,880 refocus the ability for us to maintain 4802 03:15:04,880 --> 03:15:07,920 control um while at the same time not 4803 03:15:07,920 --> 03:15:09,760 keeping the status quo because do we 4804 03:15:09,760 --> 03:15:11,359 want the status quo for another 20 4805 03:15:11,359 --> 03:15:13,840 years? I mean, I don't think so. But I 4806 03:15:13,840 --> 03:15:15,760 do think there's an opportunity for us 4807 03:15:15,760 --> 03:15:20,640 to create um a plan and I'm a fan of 4808 03:15:20,640 --> 03:15:24,720 specific area plans um that that would 4809 03:15:24,720 --> 03:15:27,920 allow us as a city to direct what we 4810 03:15:27,920 --> 03:15:31,279 want and not be passive about it. Um, if 4811 03:15:31,279 --> 03:15:33,040 there's a way, for instance, that we can 4812 03:15:33,040 --> 03:15:35,200 have a specific area plan and also bring 4813 03:15:35,200 --> 03:15:36,960 in an historic overlay to maintain 4814 03:15:36,960 --> 03:15:38,720 control. I mean, I'd like to think about 4815 03:15:38,720 --> 03:15:41,120 those kinds of ideas 4816 03:15:41,120 --> 03:15:44,239 um for us to be able to direct where we 4817 03:15:44,239 --> 03:15:45,920 want to go and have some control over 4818 03:15:45,920 --> 03:15:48,960 it. So, I too would like to incorporate 4819 03:15:48,960 --> 03:15:50,399 some of the things that we've heard and 4820 03:15:50,399 --> 03:15:53,680 and refocus what's possible um with 4821 03:15:53,680 --> 03:15:56,160 regard to not only the development code, 4822 03:15:56,160 --> 03:15:58,399 but also the general plan and the land 4823 03:15:58,399 --> 03:16:00,080 reuse. 4824 03:16:00,080 --> 03:16:02,800 Thank you, Mr. O'Neal. 4825 03:16:02,800 --> 03:16:06,469 >> Okay, set my three minute timer. 4826 03:16:06,469 --> 03:16:06,479 » Okay, set my three minute timer. 4827 03:16:06,479 --> 03:16:08,239 Um, 4828 03:16:08,239 --> 03:16:10,479 I have to agree with everyone here. Um, 4829 03:16:10,479 --> 03:16:13,359 one of my first concerns was I felt like 4830 03:16:13,359 --> 03:16:15,120 we were jamming things when we really 4831 03:16:15,120 --> 03:16:16,720 didn't understand the project that was 4832 03:16:16,720 --> 03:16:20,800 coming before us. Um, hotels are not 4833 03:16:20,800 --> 03:16:22,399 that 4834 03:16:22,399 --> 03:16:24,239 in demand right now. They're hard to 4835 03:16:24,239 --> 03:16:26,640 finance. If anybody was really excited 4836 03:16:26,640 --> 03:16:28,479 about building a hotel, I know Darius 4837 03:16:28,479 --> 03:16:30,479 Anderson is still trying to secure 4838 03:16:30,479 --> 03:16:33,120 financing for his hotel. Um, the fact 4839 03:16:33,120 --> 03:16:36,239 that this is a very high fire zone makes 4840 03:16:36,239 --> 03:16:38,800 insurability a really important issue 4841 03:16:38,800 --> 03:16:40,880 and for housing that's such an important 4842 03:16:40,880 --> 03:16:42,880 issue. I think it needs to be uh 4843 03:16:42,880 --> 03:16:46,640 understood very well before any housing 4844 03:16:46,640 --> 03:16:49,040 can be built there. I think as we have 4845 03:16:49,040 --> 03:16:50,960 any projects come before us, we'll have 4846 03:16:50,960 --> 03:16:53,439 SQA that we have to go through. A lot of 4847 03:16:53,439 --> 03:16:55,760 the SQA process we can't do until we 4848 03:16:55,760 --> 03:16:58,560 have a project, but I think the HRE is 4849 03:16:58,560 --> 03:17:01,439 one we could. I'm wondering how we could 4850 03:17:01,439 --> 03:17:03,680 possibly because the site is there. 4851 03:17:03,680 --> 03:17:05,279 That's not going to change. I'm 4852 03:17:05,279 --> 03:17:07,359 wondering if there's a way that we can 4853 03:17:07,359 --> 03:17:10,560 actually um 4854 03:17:10,560 --> 03:17:13,120 get a historic resource evaluation for 4855 03:17:13,120 --> 03:17:15,200 the site so that any developer coming 4856 03:17:15,200 --> 03:17:17,520 forward knows precisely what they're 4857 03:17:17,520 --> 03:17:19,520 dealing with, what's historic there, 4858 03:17:19,520 --> 03:17:21,680 what isn't historic, what do we wish to 4859 03:17:21,680 --> 03:17:24,000 save, what do we not need to save. And I 4860 03:17:24,000 --> 03:17:26,399 know that's not typically done. We 4861 03:17:26,399 --> 03:17:28,960 always do the HRE after the project 4862 03:17:28,960 --> 03:17:31,359 comes to us, but I'd like to see that as 4863 03:17:31,359 --> 03:17:33,040 a possibility. 4864 03:17:33,040 --> 03:17:35,840 I agree that with uh Commissioner 4865 03:17:35,840 --> 03:17:37,680 Donbach, we wouldn't really want the 4866 03:17:37,680 --> 03:17:40,080 status quo. If Sebastian came to us 4867 03:17:40,080 --> 03:17:41,279 right now and said, "I want to put in 4868 03:17:41,279 --> 03:17:42,960 wine production in this neighborhood." 4869 03:17:42,960 --> 03:17:46,080 We'd all go, "Heck no." And if you ask 4870 03:17:46,080 --> 03:17:48,000 August Sebastian about when he was a 4871 03:17:48,000 --> 03:17:50,160 little kid and they had uh grapes coming 4872 03:17:50,160 --> 03:17:51,760 in at harvest time and he was the kid 4873 03:17:51,760 --> 03:17:53,040 who had to go around and tell all the 4874 03:17:53,040 --> 03:17:55,200 neighbors trucks are coming through and 4875 03:17:55,200 --> 03:17:56,800 the neighbors weren't very happy. So, 4876 03:17:56,800 --> 03:17:58,640 no, we don't want status quo. That's 4877 03:17:58,640 --> 03:18:00,800 definitely not what we want there. But I 4878 03:18:00,800 --> 03:18:04,160 think we do have an asset there that is 4879 03:18:04,160 --> 03:18:07,279 a treasure but not the entire thing. I 4880 03:18:07,279 --> 03:18:08,960 think parts of it are a treasure and 4881 03:18:08,960 --> 03:18:11,200 parts of it we really want to maintain 4882 03:18:11,200 --> 03:18:12,960 and we want to keep as part of our 4883 03:18:12,960 --> 03:18:16,000 heritage and then other parts we want to 4884 03:18:16,000 --> 03:18:19,520 repurpose and see them flourish and be 4885 03:18:19,520 --> 03:18:22,560 more useful going forward. So I'm not 4886 03:18:22,560 --> 03:18:26,560 ready to jump into the Soma mixed use 4887 03:18:26,560 --> 03:18:29,760 commercial whatever zone. Um I I don't 4888 03:18:29,760 --> 03:18:31,359 feel comfortable with that. I think this 4889 03:18:31,359 --> 03:18:33,359 is too big of a test case for us to have 4890 03:18:33,359 --> 03:18:35,520 a new designation on that makes me 4891 03:18:35,520 --> 03:18:37,760 nervous because I personally don't feel 4892 03:18:37,760 --> 03:18:39,120 smart enough to look at all the ways 4893 03:18:39,120 --> 03:18:40,960 that somebody could take advantage of 4894 03:18:40,960 --> 03:18:44,560 that. Um so my biggest ask is um what 4895 03:18:44,560 --> 03:18:47,040 can we do about potentially getting some 4896 03:18:47,040 --> 03:18:49,359 kind of HRE as we go through this 4897 03:18:49,359 --> 03:18:52,399 process and having a community task 4898 03:18:52,399 --> 03:18:55,439 force as was suggested that we could 4899 03:18:55,439 --> 03:18:57,600 actually take this as a task force 4900 03:18:57,600 --> 03:19:00,080 continue to on this, not wait till the 4901 03:19:00,080 --> 03:19:02,319 next general plan, but continue to work 4902 03:19:02,319 --> 03:19:04,319 on this knowing that we want to get this 4903 03:19:04,319 --> 03:19:06,640 incorporated and get it taken care of 4904 03:19:06,640 --> 03:19:08,319 very quickly. My three minutes went up. 4905 03:19:08,319 --> 03:19:09,920 Sorry. 4906 03:19:09,920 --> 03:19:11,910 >> Thank you. 4907 03:19:11,910 --> 03:19:11,920 » Thank you. 4908 03:19:11,920 --> 03:19:15,200 Um, I will join wholeheartedly in what 4909 03:19:15,200 --> 03:19:17,680 my colleagues up here on the dis have to 4910 03:19:17,680 --> 03:19:20,560 say. Um, I come from a position of 4911 03:19:20,560 --> 03:19:22,479 wanting to preserve the last remaining 4912 03:19:22,479 --> 03:19:25,520 levers of local control that we have. 4913 03:19:25,520 --> 03:19:28,800 And in this case, um, what's represented 4914 03:19:28,800 --> 03:19:32,000 by the the proposed 4915 03:19:32,000 --> 03:19:36,319 Soma mixeduse zone, I think, seeds, uh, 4916 03:19:36,319 --> 03:19:41,040 too much, um, you know, could seed too 4917 03:19:41,040 --> 03:19:43,439 much local control to a level to an 4918 03:19:43,439 --> 03:19:45,760 extent that I'm uncomfortable with. 4919 03:19:45,760 --> 03:19:48,000 Um, I would like to see more 4920 03:19:48,000 --> 03:19:50,880 incremental, gradual steps taken to 4921 03:19:50,880 --> 03:19:53,279 marshall the evolution of this extremely 4922 03:19:53,279 --> 03:19:55,040 special and historic place that 4923 03:19:55,040 --> 03:19:56,560 contributes so much to the sense of 4924 03:19:56,560 --> 03:19:58,160 place 4925 03:19:58,160 --> 03:19:59,760 um 4926 03:19:59,760 --> 03:20:03,439 of Soma. Um, it's just too important to 4927 03:20:03,439 --> 03:20:07,279 to rush. Um, I'd be interested to hear 4928 03:20:07,279 --> 03:20:10,080 to hearing more about a sight specific 4929 03:20:10,080 --> 03:20:13,760 plan. I'd be uh really interested in 4930 03:20:13,760 --> 03:20:17,120 hearing about specific projects. Um I 4931 03:20:17,120 --> 03:20:19,200 think that this conversation has to 4932 03:20:19,200 --> 03:20:22,160 continue. Um I'm not anti-housing. I'm 4933 03:20:22,160 --> 03:20:24,160 not anti-development. In fact, I'm pro 4934 03:20:24,160 --> 03:20:27,840 both. But I'm pro- responsible 4935 03:20:27,840 --> 03:20:29,520 development. 4936 03:20:29,520 --> 03:20:31,040 and 4937 03:20:31,040 --> 03:20:33,439 uh in an environment, a legislative 4938 03:20:33,439 --> 03:20:35,600 environment where the inclusion of 4939 03:20:35,600 --> 03:20:37,200 housing where there wasn't formerly 4940 03:20:37,200 --> 03:20:40,720 housing, it opens up a floodgates to to 4941 03:20:40,720 --> 03:20:43,920 potential disaster in my opinion. 4942 03:20:43,920 --> 03:20:45,840 Um 4943 03:20:45,840 --> 03:20:47,680 that said, if there's a decision or a 4944 03:20:47,680 --> 03:20:49,040 recommendation that has to be made 4945 03:20:49,040 --> 03:20:51,520 tonight, it would be mine would be to 4946 03:20:51,520 --> 03:20:54,000 abandon the concept of Sonoma mixed use 4947 03:20:54,000 --> 03:20:56,080 and to stay with what we have and to 4948 03:20:56,080 --> 03:20:59,279 explore options in the next five or 10 4949 03:20:59,279 --> 03:21:01,279 years going forward. Maybe even 4950 03:21:01,279 --> 03:21:03,359 curtailing what exists in the wine 4951 03:21:03,359 --> 03:21:05,760 production zone to allow additional 4952 03:21:05,760 --> 03:21:09,200 uses, light retail, wine adjacent uses, 4953 03:21:09,200 --> 03:21:11,520 maybe even a boutique hotel. I have no 4954 03:21:11,520 --> 03:21:15,040 problem with that if it's done well. Um, 4955 03:21:15,040 --> 03:21:17,200 but opening the floodgates, which I 4956 03:21:17,200 --> 03:21:19,600 think the language in this mixed use 4957 03:21:19,600 --> 03:21:22,880 zone as proposed effectively does, I'm 4958 03:21:22,880 --> 03:21:24,800 uncomfortable with it. Those are my 4959 03:21:24,800 --> 03:21:31,670 thoughts. 4960 03:21:31,680 --> 03:21:35,520 » You want your summary now? 4961 03:21:35,520 --> 03:21:41,910 >> All right. Um, so I heard mostly keep it 4962 03:21:41,910 --> 03:21:41,920 » All right. Um, so I heard mostly keep it 4963 03:21:41,920 --> 03:21:44,160 the same, but there's a butt there, 4964 03:21:44,160 --> 03:21:46,880 right? It's continue the conversation. 4965 03:21:46,880 --> 03:21:50,880 Um, that they something it's going to 4966 03:21:50,880 --> 03:21:53,680 change and helping it change in the way 4967 03:21:53,680 --> 03:21:55,920 the community wants is important to the 4968 03:21:55,920 --> 03:21:57,920 plane commission. 4969 03:21:57,920 --> 03:22:00,479 That can lend itself in different ways. 4970 03:22:00,479 --> 03:22:06,800 Um right now it would be to um just keep 4971 03:22:06,800 --> 03:22:09,279 it the three different designations it 4972 03:22:09,279 --> 03:22:12,960 is right now and then 4973 03:22:12,960 --> 03:22:16,319 um two options. One a project gets 4974 03:22:16,319 --> 03:22:19,439 proposed for that site. 4975 03:22:19,439 --> 03:22:24,399 Um another option is that the you know 4976 03:22:24,399 --> 03:22:26,880 go back to the table if we did do a 4977 03:22:26,880 --> 03:22:30,080 specific plan we would need to give 4978 03:22:30,080 --> 03:22:34,399 budget um to do such thing um or we 4979 03:22:34,399 --> 03:22:37,200 would wait for a project to come through 4980 03:22:37,200 --> 03:22:40,000 um so there's there's a different 4981 03:22:40,000 --> 03:22:44,000 options out there um for this. I'm sorry 4982 03:22:44,000 --> 03:22:46,960 that you feel rushed Larry don't want 4983 03:22:46,960 --> 03:22:50,080 you to feel rushed. Um, 4984 03:22:50,080 --> 03:22:51,359 I don't want you guys to feel rushed on 4985 03:22:51,359 --> 03:22:53,120 any of this. Um, I know it's a big deal. 4986 03:22:53,120 --> 03:22:57,040 I know that it's 20 years of planning uh 4987 03:22:57,040 --> 03:23:00,000 into the future that we know is we don't 4988 03:23:00,000 --> 03:23:02,080 know what that looks like in the next 4989 03:23:02,080 --> 03:23:04,479 six months. Uh, and I know that's really 4990 03:23:04,479 --> 03:23:08,319 hard. So, I recognize that. Um, so that 4991 03:23:08,319 --> 03:23:11,359 is what I heard. Um, I do have questions 4992 03:23:11,359 --> 03:23:15,120 around what that looks like just 4993 03:23:15,120 --> 03:23:20,479 because part of that change that um is 4994 03:23:20,479 --> 03:23:22,640 being proposed 4995 03:23:22,640 --> 03:23:25,840 that Sebastiani historic district is all 4996 03:23:25,840 --> 03:23:29,120 currently um zoned 4997 03:23:29,120 --> 03:23:32,640 um actually wine production. Um, and so 4998 03:23:32,640 --> 03:23:35,200 one of the changes that was being 4999 03:23:35,200 --> 03:23:37,600 proposed is to modify that wine 5000 03:23:37,600 --> 03:23:40,560 production on those lots to residential 5001 03:23:40,560 --> 03:23:42,080 low. 5002 03:23:42,080 --> 03:23:46,160 So I wanted to um clarify that keeping 5003 03:23:46,160 --> 03:23:49,840 that change is still 5004 03:23:49,840 --> 03:23:54,080 um good to go. 5005 03:23:54,080 --> 03:23:57,510 >> Just those specific homes, 5006 03:23:57,510 --> 03:23:57,520 » Just those specific homes, 5007 03:23:57,520 --> 03:23:59,279 those single those little single 5008 03:23:59,279 --> 03:24:03,830 residential homes 5009 03:24:03,840 --> 03:24:04,479 on 5010 03:24:04,479 --> 03:24:06,229 >> the Sebastian cottages. 5011 03:24:06,229 --> 03:24:06,239 » the Sebastian cottages. 5012 03:24:06,239 --> 03:24:08,630 >> Yeah, the little cottages. The 5013 03:24:08,630 --> 03:24:08,640 » Yeah, the little cottages. The 5014 03:24:08,640 --> 03:24:10,640 Sebastian, it's the residential historic 5015 03:24:10,640 --> 03:24:12,479 district. 5016 03:24:12,479 --> 03:24:14,319 Um, 5017 03:24:14,319 --> 03:24:16,560 so those would be 5018 03:24:16,560 --> 03:24:20,239 these little yellow ones right there. 5019 03:24:20,239 --> 03:24:31,990 >> Sorry, what what was it? 5020 03:24:32,000 --> 03:24:33,680 But they're consistent with all the load 5021 03:24:33,680 --> 03:24:38,309 that's below it. 5022 03:24:38,319 --> 03:24:40,720 » That density that density might be 15 5023 03:24:40,720 --> 03:24:43,359 units to the It might be 10 units to the 5024 03:24:43,359 --> 03:24:45,439 acre. 5025 03:24:45,439 --> 03:24:47,830 >> I think it's around the medium is 5026 03:24:47,830 --> 03:24:47,840 » I think it's around the medium is 5027 03:24:47,840 --> 03:24:50,720 between the low and the medium. Um but 5028 03:24:50,720 --> 03:24:52,800 it's reflective of the zoning that's 5029 03:24:52,800 --> 03:24:56,710 across the street. 5030 03:24:56,720 --> 03:25:01,680 So that's what that small change 5031 03:25:01,680 --> 03:25:03,680 that I just wanted to make sure that I 5032 03:25:03,680 --> 03:25:06,720 clarify. If that those little yellow 5033 03:25:06,720 --> 03:25:08,870 >> if if you're asking for opinions on 5034 03:25:08,870 --> 03:25:08,880 » if if you're asking for opinions on 5035 03:25:08,880 --> 03:25:12,239 that, I have no problem converting what 5036 03:25:12,239 --> 03:25:14,319 are currently residential uses to 5037 03:25:14,319 --> 03:25:15,680 residential zoning. 5038 03:25:15,680 --> 03:25:16,550 >> Okay, 5039 03:25:16,550 --> 03:25:16,560 » Okay, 5040 03:25:16,560 --> 03:25:18,790 >> that's just double checking. I just 5041 03:25:18,790 --> 03:25:18,800 » that's just double checking. I just 5042 03:25:18,800 --> 03:25:20,070 >> I would join in that. 5043 03:25:20,070 --> 03:25:20,080 » I would join in that. 5044 03:25:20,080 --> 03:25:22,309 >> Okay, 5045 03:25:22,309 --> 03:25:22,319 » Okay, 5046 03:25:22,319 --> 03:25:24,160 I am doing some cleanup. So those were 5047 03:25:24,160 --> 03:25:25,920 one of the things. So I just wanted to 5048 03:25:25,920 --> 03:25:27,680 clarify that that that would still 5049 03:25:27,680 --> 03:25:31,279 change. Um okay. 5050 03:25:31,279 --> 03:25:34,800 So I think that ends that discussion. I 5051 03:25:34,800 --> 03:25:38,640 do I know it's 9:24 5052 03:25:38,640 --> 03:25:41,840 but I do want the other two lots 5053 03:25:41,840 --> 03:25:46,560 discussed please if possible. 5054 03:25:46,560 --> 03:25:48,560 the other two lots, 5055 03:25:48,560 --> 03:25:55,990 >> the memo on the f the um request 5056 03:25:55,990 --> 03:25:56,000 » the memo on the f the um request 5057 03:25:56,000 --> 03:25:58,710 >> on Levelvel Valley and then also on 5058 03:25:58,710 --> 03:25:58,720 » on Levelvel Valley and then also on 5059 03:25:58,720 --> 03:26:05,510 Sonoma Highway. 5060 03:26:05,520 --> 03:26:07,840 » So, are we complete with this session? 5061 03:26:07,840 --> 03:26:08,309 >> Yes. 5062 03:26:08,309 --> 03:26:08,319 » Yes. 5063 03:26:08,319 --> 03:26:13,670 >> Okay. 5064 03:26:13,680 --> 03:26:18,630 » Five minute stretch. 5065 03:26:18,640 --> 03:26:20,160 At this yeah at this point I will call 5066 03:26:20,160 --> 03:26:21,840 for a fivem minute recess but a strict 5067 03:26:21,840 --> 03:26:24,880 fivem minute recess reconvene at 9:30 5068 03:26:24,880 --> 03:32:19,990 please. 5069 03:32:20,000 --> 03:32:28,229 Yes, 5070 03:32:28,239 --> 03:32:31,359 » we need to reconvene. It is uh about 30 5071 03:32:31,359 --> 03:32:33,520 seconds past my strict five minute 5072 03:32:33,520 --> 03:32:35,520 stretch break. 5073 03:32:35,520 --> 03:32:37,439 At this point, I'd like to thank the 5074 03:32:37,439 --> 03:32:39,520 remaining members of the the community 5075 03:32:39,520 --> 03:32:41,680 who are in the room still. And uh thank 5076 03:32:41,680 --> 03:32:43,200 you for your insight. Thank you for your 5077 03:32:43,200 --> 03:32:46,080 time. Thank you for your your care and 5078 03:32:46,080 --> 03:32:48,319 consideration and uh we're we're happy 5079 03:32:48,319 --> 03:32:50,720 and we're glad you're here and uh your 5080 03:32:50,720 --> 03:32:53,040 opinions and your comments help us to 5081 03:32:53,040 --> 03:32:55,120 formulate our opinions and move forward. 5082 03:32:55,120 --> 03:32:59,680 So again, thank you. And with that, 5083 03:32:59,680 --> 03:33:04,000 uh I believe we are still on item 5.2. 5084 03:33:04,000 --> 03:33:07,750 >> We are still on item 5.2. Um in front of 5085 03:33:07,750 --> 03:33:07,760 » We are still on item 5.2. Um in front of 5086 03:33:07,760 --> 03:33:10,640 you right now is the uh memo that was 5087 03:33:10,640 --> 03:33:12,399 written in regards to land use change 5088 03:33:12,399 --> 03:33:15,120 requests that have come in from specific 5089 03:33:15,120 --> 03:33:18,479 property owners um um in regards to 5090 03:33:18,479 --> 03:33:20,399 their own properties andor in 5091 03:33:20,399 --> 03:33:22,479 collaboration with the property owner. 5092 03:33:22,479 --> 03:33:25,840 So the first one is 577 um it's two 5093 03:33:25,840 --> 03:33:30,080 parcels 577 and 711 Level Valley Road. 5094 03:33:30,080 --> 03:33:32,880 Um the request is from agricultural to 5095 03:33:32,880 --> 03:33:35,920 rural residential. Um staff did 5096 03:33:35,920 --> 03:33:38,399 originally incorporate that into a draft 5097 03:33:38,399 --> 03:33:41,680 future land use map for consideration 5098 03:33:41,680 --> 03:33:44,720 um to incorporate it into the secret 5099 03:33:44,720 --> 03:33:48,239 process. The request came in late um and 5100 03:33:48,239 --> 03:33:49,439 knowing that we would still have 5101 03:33:49,439 --> 03:33:53,600 multiple opportunities to discuss um it 5102 03:33:53,600 --> 03:33:57,920 is um a request that would modify 5103 03:33:57,920 --> 03:34:01,120 those two parcels. one is both are 5104 03:34:01,120 --> 03:34:03,680 smaller than the 10 acre requirement um 5105 03:34:03,680 --> 03:34:05,920 which is a one dwelling unit per 10 acre 5106 03:34:05,920 --> 03:34:08,399 um on those agricultural parcels and 5107 03:34:08,399 --> 03:34:10,319 then the change of those land use um 5108 03:34:10,319 --> 03:34:12,080 property would allow two dwelling units 5109 03:34:12,080 --> 03:34:14,399 per acre. Uh I do recognize that that's 5110 03:34:14,399 --> 03:34:17,439 a big change um but rural residential 5111 03:34:17,439 --> 03:34:20,560 does allow continued agricultural um use 5112 03:34:20,560 --> 03:34:23,120 which is currently being done on the 5113 03:34:23,120 --> 03:34:26,640 larger of the two parcels. 5114 03:34:26,640 --> 03:34:32,479 Um so that is one. The other one um is 5115 03:34:32,479 --> 03:34:35,200 on 1934 5116 03:34:35,200 --> 03:34:38,960 zero and through 9360 5117 03:34:38,960 --> 03:34:43,040 Soma Highway. Um these two um the 5118 03:34:43,040 --> 03:34:45,439 request came in to do a mixeduse land 5119 03:34:45,439 --> 03:34:47,279 use designation. 5120 03:34:47,279 --> 03:34:49,840 Um there is mixed use on the property 5121 03:34:49,840 --> 03:34:53,120 just to the south that is um a little 5122 03:34:53,120 --> 03:34:56,319 smaller actually um in the commercial 5123 03:34:56,319 --> 03:34:58,800 component part of it. Um this is all 5124 03:34:58,800 --> 03:35:02,960 mixed use down here. Um this whole area 5125 03:35:02,960 --> 03:35:05,040 was identified um as housing 5126 03:35:05,040 --> 03:35:07,760 opportunity. I did double check these 5127 03:35:07,760 --> 03:35:10,720 lots specifically are not identified to 5128 03:35:10,720 --> 03:35:12,720 meet our regional housing needs 5129 03:35:12,720 --> 03:35:16,000 allocation. Um unlike the Montalo 5130 03:35:16,000 --> 03:35:18,319 property which was 5131 03:35:18,319 --> 03:35:21,760 um housing opportunity is uh 30 dwelling 5132 03:35:21,760 --> 03:35:25,520 units per acre maximum. A mixed use 5133 03:35:25,520 --> 03:35:28,000 under the proposed change would be 25 5134 03:35:28,000 --> 03:35:30,399 dwelling units per acre which would be a 5135 03:35:30,399 --> 03:35:32,399 reduction of about five um dwelling 5136 03:35:32,399 --> 03:35:37,359 units on these specific sites. Um and um 5137 03:35:37,359 --> 03:35:40,000 that request came in. Both of them have 5138 03:35:40,000 --> 03:35:44,239 uh letters attached and I do not see 5139 03:35:44,239 --> 03:35:47,760 owner of Levelville Valley, but I do see 5140 03:35:47,760 --> 03:35:50,160 um the director of the community health 5141 03:35:50,160 --> 03:35:51,680 center. 5142 03:35:51,680 --> 03:35:54,800 So with that, that concludes staff's 5143 03:35:54,800 --> 03:35:56,399 very brief presentation. 5144 03:35:56,399 --> 03:36:00,309 >> Great. Okay. Any commissioner comments 5145 03:36:00,309 --> 03:36:00,319 » Great. Okay. Any commissioner comments 5146 03:36:00,319 --> 03:36:02,000 or sorry questions? Commissioner 5147 03:36:02,000 --> 03:36:04,960 questions based on director's 5148 03:36:04,960 --> 03:36:06,720 recitation. 5149 03:36:06,720 --> 03:36:09,269 >> I do have a clarifying question for the 5150 03:36:09,269 --> 03:36:09,279 » I do have a clarifying question for the 5151 03:36:09,279 --> 03:36:12,640 the first one is 577. I just want to 5152 03:36:12,640 --> 03:36:15,840 make sure I understand the the image. 5153 03:36:15,840 --> 03:36:19,830 >> So when looking at it on the right side 5154 03:36:19,830 --> 03:36:19,840 » So when looking at it on the right side 5155 03:36:19,840 --> 03:36:24,080 is that 577 that property that has a 5156 03:36:24,080 --> 03:36:28,399 home on it and then the and that's 577. 5157 03:36:28,399 --> 03:36:31,760 Uhhuh. This whole thing to here. 5158 03:36:31,760 --> 03:36:33,750 >> What? Which one is 711? 5159 03:36:33,750 --> 03:36:33,760 » What? Which one is 711? 5160 03:36:33,760 --> 03:36:36,389 >> This one. This piece. 5161 03:36:36,389 --> 03:36:36,399 » This one. This piece. 5162 03:36:36,399 --> 03:36:39,429 >> Okay. So 711 5163 03:36:39,429 --> 03:36:39,439 » Okay. So 711 5164 03:36:39,439 --> 03:36:41,920 um 5165 03:36:41,920 --> 03:36:44,399 already has a home. It's a smaller lot. 5166 03:36:44,399 --> 03:36:46,399 So is is that it's but it's all on the 5167 03:36:46,399 --> 03:36:48,239 same lot. I'm just really confused about 5168 03:36:48,239 --> 03:36:49,269 >> it's two parcels. 5169 03:36:49,269 --> 03:36:49,279 » it's two parcels. 5170 03:36:49,279 --> 03:36:49,670 >> Okay. 5171 03:36:49,670 --> 03:36:49,680 » Okay. 5172 03:36:49,680 --> 03:36:51,910 >> The lot line is right here. Okay. 5173 03:36:51,910 --> 03:36:51,920 » The lot line is right here. Okay. 5174 03:36:51,920 --> 03:36:53,590 >> Right where you see those trees. 5175 03:36:53,590 --> 03:36:53,600 » Right where you see those trees. 5176 03:36:53,600 --> 03:36:54,389 >> All right. 5177 03:36:54,389 --> 03:36:54,399 » All right. 5178 03:36:54,399 --> 03:36:55,670 >> That's the lot line. 5179 03:36:55,670 --> 03:36:55,680 » That's the lot line. 5180 03:36:55,680 --> 03:36:57,990 >> And so the request is to change So, 5181 03:36:57,990 --> 03:36:58,000 » And so the request is to change So, 5182 03:36:58,000 --> 03:36:59,840 there's already a home on one of them. 5183 03:36:59,840 --> 03:37:01,510 >> There is one home on this one. And then 5184 03:37:01,510 --> 03:37:01,520 » There is one home on this one. And then 5185 03:37:01,520 --> 03:37:03,680 there's two small units over here on 5186 03:37:03,680 --> 03:37:05,920 this one. 5187 03:37:05,920 --> 03:37:08,309 >> And so, the proposal would be to change, 5188 03:37:08,309 --> 03:37:08,319 » And so, the proposal would be to change, 5189 03:37:08,319 --> 03:37:13,200 let's just talk about the 711 that 5190 03:37:13,200 --> 03:37:15,750 >> the proposal would be to change that 5191 03:37:15,750 --> 03:37:15,760 » the proposal would be to change that 5192 03:37:15,760 --> 03:37:18,319 potentially to the rural which would 5193 03:37:18,319 --> 03:37:21,279 allow another unit on that even though 5194 03:37:21,279 --> 03:37:23,439 it's not 10 acres. This is I'm kind of 5195 03:37:23,439 --> 03:37:25,760 really confused about this. Agriculture 5196 03:37:25,760 --> 03:37:28,960 is one per 10 acres. 5197 03:37:28,960 --> 03:37:32,550 >> Um the change of land use would allow 5198 03:37:32,550 --> 03:37:32,560 » Um the change of land use would allow 5199 03:37:32,560 --> 03:37:36,319 two units per acre. So these two parcels 5200 03:37:36,319 --> 03:37:39,840 are around nine acres of land. 5201 03:37:39,840 --> 03:37:42,469 >> That little parcel 711 is nine acres. 5202 03:37:42,469 --> 03:37:42,479 » That little parcel 711 is nine acres. 5203 03:37:42,479 --> 03:37:47,510 >> No, combined it's nine acres. 5204 03:37:47,520 --> 03:37:47,920 » Okay. 5205 03:37:47,920 --> 03:37:51,429 >> So So for a total of 18, 5206 03:37:51,429 --> 03:37:51,439 » So So for a total of 18, 5207 03:37:51,439 --> 03:37:52,309 >> no, 5208 03:37:52,309 --> 03:37:52,319 » no, 5209 03:37:52,319 --> 03:37:54,710 >> it's nine acres total. line. Yeah. 5210 03:37:54,710 --> 03:37:54,720 » it's nine acres total. line. Yeah. 5211 03:37:54,720 --> 03:37:57,349 >> No, no, no. 5212 03:37:57,349 --> 03:37:57,359 » No, no, no. 5213 03:37:57,359 --> 03:37:59,030 >> Oh, yes, yes, yes. Sorry. 5214 03:37:59,030 --> 03:37:59,040 » Oh, yes, yes, yes. Sorry. 5215 03:37:59,040 --> 03:38:00,469 >> Total total potential 5216 03:38:00,469 --> 03:38:00,479 » Total total potential 5217 03:38:00,479 --> 03:38:01,910 >> total potential. Yeah. 5218 03:38:01,910 --> 03:38:01,920 » total potential. Yeah. 5219 03:38:01,920 --> 03:38:03,110 >> Units is 18. 5220 03:38:03,110 --> 03:38:03,120 » Units is 18. 5221 03:38:03,120 --> 03:38:04,790 >> Okay. And and and that's where I was 5222 03:38:04,790 --> 03:38:04,800 » Okay. And and and that's where I was 5223 03:38:04,800 --> 03:38:06,319 going. Thank you. But but obviously 5224 03:38:06,319 --> 03:38:10,000 those 18 would be on that open a space 5225 03:38:10,000 --> 03:38:11,520 because there's already home on part of 5226 03:38:11,520 --> 03:38:14,239 it, right? It would be on the space 5227 03:38:14,239 --> 03:38:18,880 where the lot line is going toward. 5228 03:38:18,880 --> 03:38:21,990 >> Yeah. 5229 03:38:22,000 --> 03:38:25,279 » Okay. Thank you. 5230 03:38:25,279 --> 03:38:29,110 >> On that note, do we know the intent of 5231 03:38:29,110 --> 03:38:29,120 » On that note, do we know the intent of 5232 03:38:29,120 --> 03:38:32,479 the um applicants? What their intention 5233 03:38:32,479 --> 03:38:33,600 is? 5234 03:38:33,600 --> 03:38:36,070 >> Well, he he says in his letter that he 5235 03:38:36,070 --> 03:38:36,080 » Well, he he says in his letter that he 5236 03:38:36,080 --> 03:38:39,760 wants to continue the agricultural use. 5237 03:38:39,760 --> 03:38:41,920 The the issue is is that if we change 5238 03:38:41,920 --> 03:38:44,960 the designation, some future owner of 5239 03:38:44,960 --> 03:38:49,040 the property then is governed by the new 5240 03:38:49,040 --> 03:38:53,359 designation, not the intention of use. 5241 03:38:53,359 --> 03:38:56,960 So what the present owner intends to do 5242 03:38:56,960 --> 03:39:01,520 is less significant than what the zoning 5243 03:39:01,520 --> 03:39:05,760 designation of the parcel is 5244 03:39:05,760 --> 03:39:08,399 historically. 5245 03:39:08,399 --> 03:39:12,479 I have a question. The 5246 03:39:12,479 --> 03:39:14,960 land to the south, 5247 03:39:14,960 --> 03:39:16,960 is that county or is that city? 5248 03:39:16,960 --> 03:39:17,670 >> County. 5249 03:39:17,670 --> 03:39:17,680 » County. 5250 03:39:17,680 --> 03:39:21,750 >> Okay. And what is the zoning? 5251 03:39:21,750 --> 03:39:21,760 » Okay. And what is the zoning? 5252 03:39:21,760 --> 03:39:26,309 >> It's uh their version of a rural 5253 03:39:26,309 --> 03:39:26,319 » It's uh their version of a rural 5254 03:39:26,319 --> 03:39:27,920 residential. It 5255 03:39:27,920 --> 03:39:29,990 >> varies. The density is 5256 03:39:29,990 --> 03:39:30,000 » varies. The density is 5257 03:39:30,000 --> 03:39:30,790 >> um 5258 03:39:30,790 --> 03:39:30,800 » um 5259 03:39:30,800 --> 03:39:33,269 >> attached to the counties. 5260 03:39:33,269 --> 03:39:33,279 » attached to the counties. 5261 03:39:33,279 --> 03:39:36,389 >> Sorry, I was looking for Mr. Woods. Um 5262 03:39:36,389 --> 03:39:36,399 » Sorry, I was looking for Mr. Woods. Um 5263 03:39:36,399 --> 03:39:37,760 he knows 5264 03:39:37,760 --> 03:39:39,680 Um I can't remember off the top of my 5265 03:39:39,680 --> 03:39:42,560 head. Um what 5266 03:39:42,560 --> 03:39:43,590 >> one unit per two 5267 03:39:43,590 --> 03:39:43,600 » one unit per two 5268 03:39:43,600 --> 03:39:45,830 >> true something like that. 5269 03:39:45,830 --> 03:39:45,840 » true something like that. 5270 03:39:45,840 --> 03:39:50,630 >> So 5271 03:39:50,640 --> 03:39:54,000 » so it it typically two acre minimum 5272 03:39:54,000 --> 03:39:55,200 parcels 5273 03:39:55,200 --> 03:40:00,790 >> one unit but it's heavily controlled by 5274 03:40:00,790 --> 03:40:00,800 » one unit but it's heavily controlled by 5275 03:40:00,800 --> 03:40:02,080 not public sewer. 5276 03:40:02,080 --> 03:40:05,030 >> Okay. So the allowed densities in the 5277 03:40:05,030 --> 03:40:05,040 » Okay. So the allowed densities in the 5278 03:40:05,040 --> 03:40:06,640 county and their version of rural 5279 03:40:06,640 --> 03:40:09,840 residential would not be 5280 03:40:09,840 --> 03:40:12,160 not be equal, but it also not wholly 5281 03:40:12,160 --> 03:40:13,840 dissimilar from what they're asking for, 5282 03:40:13,840 --> 03:40:16,950 right? 5283 03:40:16,960 --> 03:40:21,040 » So the difference would be nine. 5284 03:40:21,040 --> 03:40:24,469 >> Does this have city water? 5285 03:40:24,469 --> 03:40:24,479 » Does this have city water? 5286 03:40:24,479 --> 03:40:26,150 >> I'd have to look to see if it's already 5287 03:40:26,150 --> 03:40:26,160 » I'd have to look to see if it's already 5288 03:40:26,160 --> 03:40:28,239 serviced or not. I don't I do not know 5289 03:40:28,239 --> 03:40:28,880 off the top of my head. 5290 03:40:28,880 --> 03:40:31,510 >> And it does not have city sewer. 5291 03:40:31,510 --> 03:40:31,520 » And it does not have city sewer. 5292 03:40:31,520 --> 03:40:33,590 >> I would have to look to see if it's been 5293 03:40:33,590 --> 03:40:33,600 » I would have to look to see if it's been 5294 03:40:33,600 --> 03:40:35,760 serviced or not. I mean, we do have lots 5295 03:40:35,760 --> 03:40:37,840 within our city that are still on city 5296 03:40:37,840 --> 03:40:39,520 water or sewer. 5297 03:40:39,520 --> 03:40:40,950 >> Well, I'm just looking from a future 5298 03:40:40,950 --> 03:40:40,960 » Well, I'm just looking from a future 5299 03:40:40,960 --> 03:40:43,840 development perspective. Um, it if it 5300 03:40:43,840 --> 03:40:47,040 has water and sewer and Yeah, I'd like 5301 03:40:47,040 --> 03:40:47,439 to know 5302 03:40:47,439 --> 03:40:50,150 >> it can have it. 5303 03:40:50,150 --> 03:40:50,160 » it can have it. 5304 03:40:50,160 --> 03:40:53,680 Where is it now? Where does it end? I 5305 03:40:53,680 --> 03:40:55,279 mean, that's could be cost prohibitive 5306 03:40:55,279 --> 03:40:57,600 if it's too far away. 5307 03:40:57,600 --> 03:40:59,590 >> And that's something I don't exactly 5308 03:40:59,590 --> 03:40:59,600 » And that's something I don't exactly 5309 03:40:59,600 --> 03:41:01,040 remember where it ends. I think it's 5310 03:41:01,040 --> 03:41:03,359 going to end probably at the development 5311 03:41:03,359 --> 03:41:05,040 if it hasn't already been extended. 5312 03:41:05,040 --> 03:41:06,880 It'll end at the development that's just 5313 03:41:06,880 --> 03:41:11,030 north of Sebastiani. 5314 03:41:11,040 --> 03:41:13,200 That's where currently it ends even 5315 03:41:13,200 --> 03:41:15,600 going up Fourth Street. It was just 5316 03:41:15,600 --> 03:41:19,680 extended to Brazil this year. 5317 03:41:19,680 --> 03:41:21,910 >> Any more questions for staff before we 5318 03:41:21,910 --> 03:41:21,920 » Any more questions for staff before we 5319 03:41:21,920 --> 03:41:24,080 open public comment? 5320 03:41:24,080 --> 03:41:26,319 Okay, this time I would open public 5321 03:41:26,319 --> 03:41:30,399 comment. Anybody wanting to come speak 5322 03:41:30,399 --> 03:41:35,590 on this matter? 5323 03:41:35,600 --> 03:41:36,560 » Good evening. 5324 03:41:36,560 --> 03:41:37,030 >> Evening. 5325 03:41:37,030 --> 03:41:37,040 » Evening. 5326 03:41:37,040 --> 03:41:38,790 >> Uh I'm Sarah Brewer. I'm the CEO of 5327 03:41:38,790 --> 03:41:38,800 » Uh I'm Sarah Brewer. I'm the CEO of 5328 03:41:38,800 --> 03:41:40,319 Sonoma Valley Community Health Center. 5329 03:41:40,319 --> 03:41:42,160 Very nice to meet you all and be here. 5330 03:41:42,160 --> 03:41:45,279 Um so we are um federally qualified 5331 03:41:45,279 --> 03:41:47,600 health center. We serve 6,500 patients a 5332 03:41:47,600 --> 03:41:49,359 year and we're also looking at the 5333 03:41:49,359 --> 03:41:51,600 trends of healthcare needs in the valley 5334 03:41:51,600 --> 03:41:53,600 and are interested in expanding and 5335 03:41:53,600 --> 03:41:55,760 providing more care and better serving 5336 03:41:55,760 --> 03:41:57,600 the needs of the community so we don't 5337 03:41:57,600 --> 03:41:59,840 have to leave go to other parts of the 5338 03:41:59,840 --> 03:42:02,399 county. Um we're also interested in 5339 03:42:02,399 --> 03:42:03,840 providing housing. One of the challenges 5340 03:42:03,840 --> 03:42:05,359 that we have is in recruiting and 5341 03:42:05,359 --> 03:42:06,560 retaining staff and especially 5342 03:42:06,560 --> 03:42:08,640 healthcare providers is housing. So 5343 03:42:08,640 --> 03:42:10,160 looking to see if we can use this as an 5344 03:42:10,160 --> 03:42:12,880 innovative way to retain staff and 5345 03:42:12,880 --> 03:42:14,080 continue to provide the healthcare in 5346 03:42:14,080 --> 03:42:16,399 the valley. That's our That's our hope. 5347 03:42:16,399 --> 03:42:17,910 >> Okay. 5348 03:42:17,910 --> 03:42:17,920 » Okay. 5349 03:42:17,920 --> 03:42:18,790 >> Yes. 5350 03:42:18,790 --> 03:42:18,800 » Yes. 5351 03:42:18,800 --> 03:42:22,710 >> So, do you own these parcels? Is the the 5352 03:42:22,710 --> 03:42:22,720 » So, do you own these parcels? Is the the 5353 03:42:22,720 --> 03:42:24,560 health center owned the parcels in 5354 03:42:24,560 --> 03:42:27,200 question that are being considered for 5355 03:42:27,200 --> 03:42:28,319 this change? 5356 03:42:28,319 --> 03:42:29,910 >> No, we don't own them, but we are hoping 5357 03:42:29,910 --> 03:42:29,920 » No, we don't own them, but we are hoping 5358 03:42:29,920 --> 03:42:31,520 to acquire them. 5359 03:42:31,520 --> 03:42:36,469 >> Okay. So, um your intention is then to 5360 03:42:36,469 --> 03:42:36,479 » Okay. So, um your intention is then to 5361 03:42:36,479 --> 03:42:41,279 acquire them and with the change in in 5362 03:42:41,279 --> 03:42:43,840 uh the zoning designation 5363 03:42:43,840 --> 03:42:48,399 uh have the opportunity to construct 5364 03:42:48,399 --> 03:42:51,120 lowincome or workforce housing on this 5365 03:42:51,120 --> 03:42:51,840 parcel. 5366 03:42:51,840 --> 03:42:55,750 >> Yeah. In in addition to the clinic. 5367 03:42:55,750 --> 03:42:55,760 » Yeah. In in addition to the clinic. 5368 03:42:55,760 --> 03:42:57,190 >> How do you mean in addition to the 5369 03:42:57,190 --> 03:42:57,200 » How do you mean in addition to the 5370 03:42:57,200 --> 03:42:57,680 clinic? 5371 03:42:57,680 --> 03:42:59,269 >> Well, the idea Yeah. Well, we haven't 5372 03:42:59,269 --> 03:42:59,279 » Well, the idea Yeah. Well, we haven't 5373 03:42:59,279 --> 03:43:00,800 designed it yet, but the idea is to have 5374 03:43:00,800 --> 03:43:02,720 there be housing and the the healthcare 5375 03:43:02,720 --> 03:43:03,840 provided there. 5376 03:43:03,840 --> 03:43:05,670 >> Oh, so you would move from the location 5377 03:43:05,670 --> 03:43:05,680 » Oh, so you would move from the location 5378 03:43:05,680 --> 03:43:06,560 that you were in. 5379 03:43:06,560 --> 03:43:08,309 >> No, keep that one as well. But this is 5380 03:43:08,309 --> 03:43:08,319 » No, keep that one as well. But this is 5381 03:43:08,319 --> 03:43:10,160 just a few parcels down. 5382 03:43:10,160 --> 03:43:12,469 >> Uhhuh. And so you would com you would 5383 03:43:12,469 --> 03:43:12,479 » Uhhuh. And so you would com you would 5384 03:43:12,479 --> 03:43:16,160 have both health serving use on the 5385 03:43:16,160 --> 03:43:18,000 parcels as well as housing. 5386 03:43:18,000 --> 03:43:19,510 >> Exactly. On this one on that the housing 5387 03:43:19,510 --> 03:43:19,520 » Exactly. On this one on that the housing 5388 03:43:19,520 --> 03:43:21,040 would not be on the one that's existing. 5389 03:43:21,040 --> 03:43:25,269 >> That's quite an ambitious plan. 5390 03:43:25,279 --> 03:43:25,680 » Yeah. 5391 03:43:25,680 --> 03:43:26,950 >> Well, we have a lot of healthcare needs 5392 03:43:26,950 --> 03:43:26,960 » Well, we have a lot of healthcare needs 5393 03:43:26,960 --> 03:43:27,439 that we need to 5394 03:43:27,439 --> 03:43:29,510 >> Well, I understand. in an era of federal 5395 03:43:29,510 --> 03:43:29,520 » Well, I understand. in an era of federal 5396 03:43:29,520 --> 03:43:32,399 government cuts to community health 5397 03:43:32,399 --> 03:43:34,229 >> centers. 5398 03:43:34,229 --> 03:43:34,239 » centers. 5399 03:43:34,239 --> 03:43:37,349 >> Um so you have a assume a robust 5400 03:43:37,349 --> 03:43:37,359 » Um so you have a assume a robust 5401 03:43:37,359 --> 03:43:39,040 fundraising plan in mind as well. 5402 03:43:39,040 --> 03:43:40,790 >> That's the idea. Yeah. Along with a lot 5403 03:43:40,790 --> 03:43:40,800 » That's the idea. Yeah. Along with a lot 5404 03:43:40,800 --> 03:43:41,600 of other 5405 03:43:41,600 --> 03:43:41,910 >> Okay. 5406 03:43:41,910 --> 03:43:41,920 » Okay. 5407 03:43:41,920 --> 03:43:43,429 >> innovative strategies. Yeah. 5408 03:43:43,429 --> 03:43:43,439 » innovative strategies. Yeah. 5409 03:43:43,439 --> 03:43:44,229 >> Okay. Thank you. 5410 03:43:44,229 --> 03:43:44,239 » Okay. Thank you. 5411 03:43:44,239 --> 03:43:46,389 >> Yeah. Thank you. 5412 03:43:46,389 --> 03:43:46,399 » Yeah. Thank you. 5413 03:43:46,399 --> 03:43:50,150 >> Thank you very much. Appreciate it. 5414 03:43:50,150 --> 03:43:50,160 » Thank you very much. Appreciate it. 5415 03:43:50,160 --> 03:43:53,110 >> Any other members of the public? 5416 03:43:53,110 --> 03:43:53,120 » Any other members of the public? 5417 03:43:53,120 --> 03:43:54,550 >> Mr. Granny, come forward. State your 5418 03:43:54,550 --> 03:43:54,560 » Mr. Granny, come forward. State your 5419 03:43:54,560 --> 03:43:57,750 name. 5420 03:43:57,760 --> 03:44:01,120 Art Randy. Um 5421 03:44:01,120 --> 03:44:03,359 I go up and down Levelvel Valley Road 5422 03:44:03,359 --> 03:44:06,880 quite often walking, bike riding. 5423 03:44:06,880 --> 03:44:09,520 I don't think the possibility of having 5424 03:44:09,520 --> 03:44:13,279 that developed to the the rate of two 5425 03:44:13,279 --> 03:44:17,279 per acre for roughly 10 acre site and 5426 03:44:17,279 --> 03:44:23,439 that location uh suits the uh the scene. 5427 03:44:23,439 --> 03:44:26,319 So there are a lot of practical issues 5428 03:44:26,319 --> 03:44:27,680 as well which obviously everybody 5429 03:44:27,680 --> 03:44:29,600 already knows about water, sewage, 5430 03:44:29,600 --> 03:44:32,000 whatever lots of complications. Money 5431 03:44:32,000 --> 03:44:34,560 can solve some of those to some degree 5432 03:44:34,560 --> 03:44:38,960 but not at this time. Thank you. 5433 03:44:38,960 --> 03:44:44,790 Any other public comments? 5434 03:44:44,800 --> 03:44:47,120 Okay, I'll close public comment at this 5435 03:44:47,120 --> 03:44:48,560 time. Bring back to the commission for 5436 03:44:48,560 --> 03:44:50,560 commissioner comments. 5437 03:44:50,560 --> 03:44:53,680 Any comments? Commissioner Willers. 5438 03:44:53,680 --> 03:44:57,359 Um, for me it's all about edge condition 5439 03:44:57,359 --> 03:45:00,080 and and it's and it and it does link 5440 03:45:00,080 --> 03:45:04,560 back to our earlier discussion. Um, 5441 03:45:04,560 --> 03:45:07,120 one of the one of the reasons that's 5442 03:45:07,120 --> 03:45:10,160 stated in the letter is because we're 5443 03:45:10,160 --> 03:45:13,439 considering adding housing to the 5444 03:45:13,439 --> 03:45:15,680 Sebastian property. Well, we're not. We 5445 03:45:15,680 --> 03:45:17,600 don't know what we're going to add to 5446 03:45:17,600 --> 03:45:20,319 the Sebastian property at this point. 5447 03:45:20,319 --> 03:45:22,880 And so, you know, you create an edge 5448 03:45:22,880 --> 03:45:25,120 condition of growth 5449 03:45:25,120 --> 03:45:27,920 and the other edge, the edges around it 5450 03:45:27,920 --> 03:45:32,160 respond. It's California development. 5451 03:45:32,160 --> 03:45:36,080 It grows from the edge out. And and so 5452 03:45:36,080 --> 03:45:38,960 my I don't think that there's a reason 5453 03:45:38,960 --> 03:45:41,120 to reszone this land. There's a request 5454 03:45:41,120 --> 03:45:43,199 to reszone it. And I think the 5455 03:45:43,199 --> 03:45:46,080 implications of reszoning it in my 5456 03:45:46,080 --> 03:45:49,359 opinion are too great given the edge 5457 03:45:49,359 --> 03:45:51,359 condition 5458 03:45:51,359 --> 03:45:53,920 to to make it reasonable. 5459 03:45:53,920 --> 03:45:57,840 So I am not in favor of this request 5460 03:45:57,840 --> 03:46:00,560 for those reasons. 5461 03:46:00,560 --> 03:46:02,550 >> The other one, you know, it's it's 5462 03:46:02,550 --> 03:46:02,560 » The other one, you know, it's it's 5463 03:46:02,560 --> 03:46:04,640 intriguing. It's zoned housing 5464 03:46:04,640 --> 03:46:08,560 opportunity. Um I think the mixeduse 5465 03:46:08,560 --> 03:46:12,720 zone is almost equal. 5466 03:46:12,720 --> 03:46:15,279 Um I don't I have no issue with the 5467 03:46:15,279 --> 03:46:17,040 mixed use zone being applied on the 5468 03:46:17,040 --> 03:46:19,520 corridor here. It's the place where it 5469 03:46:19,520 --> 03:46:22,720 probably makes sense to do it. Um it is 5470 03:46:22,720 --> 03:46:26,160 also the area where we have opportunity 5471 03:46:26,160 --> 03:46:28,640 to have you know it's good to know that 5472 03:46:28,640 --> 03:46:31,120 it's not being used for reena numbers at 5473 03:46:31,120 --> 03:46:34,080 this point. Um 5474 03:46:34,080 --> 03:46:37,359 and it's current zoning is 5475 03:46:37,359 --> 03:46:39,199 what's it? 5476 03:46:39,199 --> 03:46:40,309 >> It's housing opportunity. 5477 03:46:40,309 --> 03:46:40,319 » It's housing opportunity. 5478 03:46:40,319 --> 03:46:41,910 >> It's housing opportunity. So it doesn't 5479 03:46:41,910 --> 03:46:41,920 » It's housing opportunity. So it doesn't 5480 03:46:41,920 --> 03:46:45,600 allow anything but multif family. 5481 03:46:45,600 --> 03:46:47,030 >> You know, it's currently a mixeduse 5482 03:46:47,030 --> 03:46:47,040 » You know, it's currently a mixeduse 5483 03:46:47,040 --> 03:46:49,680 corridor already as a corridor. So I 5484 03:46:49,680 --> 03:46:51,439 don't have any issues with that with 5485 03:46:51,439 --> 03:46:54,239 changing that. I don't think the density 5486 03:46:54,239 --> 03:46:56,720 the 30 dwelling units per acre is that 5487 03:46:56,720 --> 03:47:00,239 great of an impact on these parcels even 5488 03:47:00,239 --> 03:47:03,920 in their aggregate because 5489 03:47:03,920 --> 03:47:06,080 it's all about parking cars as you can 5490 03:47:06,080 --> 03:47:10,800 see next door to it. So 5491 03:47:10,800 --> 03:47:12,950 >> great. Thank you. Any other commissioner 5492 03:47:12,950 --> 03:47:12,960 » great. Thank you. Any other commissioner 5493 03:47:12,960 --> 03:47:14,880 comments? Commissioner D. 5494 03:47:14,880 --> 03:47:18,150 >> I will make a comment. Um I am also 5495 03:47:18,150 --> 03:47:18,160 » I will make a comment. Um I am also 5496 03:47:18,160 --> 03:47:23,920 supportive of um the um redesation um of 5497 03:47:23,920 --> 03:47:26,720 to mixed use in this parcel. I think 5498 03:47:26,720 --> 03:47:29,279 it's a reasonable plan. It it fits in 5499 03:47:29,279 --> 03:47:31,680 with the you know the zoning around 5500 03:47:31,680 --> 03:47:33,760 there and I'd love to support what your 5501 03:47:33,760 --> 03:47:36,319 efforts in trying to bring housing and 5502 03:47:36,319 --> 03:47:40,160 uh expanded healthcare to the community. 5503 03:47:40,160 --> 03:47:44,560 With regard to the other property, um I 5504 03:47:44,560 --> 03:47:48,399 I would agree. I I think that um I was 5505 03:47:48,399 --> 03:47:51,840 also um moved by the fact that this is a 5506 03:47:51,840 --> 03:47:54,479 zone where we need to have perk and we 5507 03:47:54,479 --> 03:47:56,640 need to to, you know, recharge our 5508 03:47:56,640 --> 03:47:58,640 aquifers. And I think we need to really 5509 03:47:58,640 --> 03:48:01,600 pay attention to that, especially here 5510 03:48:01,600 --> 03:48:05,040 in the south end where our aquifers are 5511 03:48:05,040 --> 03:48:07,199 really drying up the deep deep aquifers 5512 03:48:07,199 --> 03:48:09,840 and soon seawater will come in and that 5513 03:48:09,840 --> 03:48:12,560 will affect our ability to be 5514 03:48:12,560 --> 03:48:14,160 agricultural. 5515 03:48:14,160 --> 03:48:16,800 So I 5516 03:48:16,800 --> 03:48:19,600 I really don't support that change 5517 03:48:19,600 --> 03:48:21,439 because of the density that would be 5518 03:48:21,439 --> 03:48:25,439 impacted there. Um and not knowing about 5519 03:48:25,439 --> 03:48:30,800 the sewer or the water also um adds to 5520 03:48:30,800 --> 03:48:34,319 that. Um and thirdly, this idea that we 5521 03:48:34,319 --> 03:48:37,199 also have to really think about our 5522 03:48:37,199 --> 03:48:39,600 other water resources um and our 5523 03:48:39,600 --> 03:48:41,680 environmental resources 5524 03:48:41,680 --> 03:48:46,479 um I think are for me it's it's 5525 03:48:46,479 --> 03:48:50,630 not appropriate to approve. 5526 03:48:50,640 --> 03:48:52,319 » Commissioner O'Neal. Um, I'm in 5527 03:48:52,319 --> 03:48:54,800 agreement. Um, the Arnold Drive, that 5528 03:48:54,800 --> 03:48:57,359 sounds like a great opportunity. And 5529 03:48:57,359 --> 03:48:59,040 further up the street there is some of 5530 03:48:59,040 --> 03:49:01,040 the live work condos that, you know, 5531 03:49:01,040 --> 03:49:02,720 there's a mixed juice area there. So, 5532 03:49:02,720 --> 03:49:07,600 that just to me looks excellent. Um, 5533 03:49:07,600 --> 03:49:10,399 Levelville Valley, uh, as a runner going 5534 03:49:10,399 --> 03:49:11,920 up and down Level Valley, we call it 5535 03:49:11,920 --> 03:49:15,040 Lake Level, and if you ride your bike or 5536 03:49:15,040 --> 03:49:17,359 run out there right now, it's a very 5537 03:49:17,359 --> 03:49:19,920 large pond, and you have to time it to 5538 03:49:19,920 --> 03:49:22,479 get through before the spray you. Um, 5539 03:49:22,479 --> 03:49:25,600 that area definitely has some water 5540 03:49:25,600 --> 03:49:28,880 pooling issues and I think that there's 5541 03:49:28,880 --> 03:49:30,880 just too much that we don't understand 5542 03:49:30,880 --> 03:49:33,680 there to be able to jump and just say, 5543 03:49:33,680 --> 03:49:35,359 uh, yeah, let's go ahead and do this, 5544 03:49:35,359 --> 03:49:37,439 especially not understanding the intent 5545 03:49:37,439 --> 03:49:39,279 and what where it's going to go with it. 5546 03:49:39,279 --> 03:49:41,120 If we just go ahead and say, "Yeah, they 5547 03:49:41,120 --> 03:49:42,880 can develop this property, put two units 5548 03:49:42,880 --> 03:49:44,960 per acre, but we don't have the 5549 03:49:44,960 --> 03:49:46,640 infrastructure to deal with that water, 5550 03:49:46,640 --> 03:49:50,640 and we don't have what we need. that the 5551 03:49:50,640 --> 03:49:52,640 runoff goes somewhere because if it's 5552 03:49:52,640 --> 03:49:54,239 not going to go out into those vineyards 5553 03:49:54,239 --> 03:49:56,960 right now, where's it going to go? So, 5554 03:49:56,960 --> 03:49:59,840 I'm definitely not okay with making any 5555 03:49:59,840 --> 03:50:01,359 changes on that until we have a much 5556 03:50:01,359 --> 03:50:04,479 clearer picture of it. 5557 03:50:04,479 --> 03:50:08,389 >> Your comments? 5558 03:50:08,399 --> 03:50:12,640 » Um, I concur with the um 5559 03:50:12,640 --> 03:50:16,640 uh the um 5560 03:50:16,640 --> 03:50:18,640 what the hospital wants to do with those 5561 03:50:18,640 --> 03:50:21,040 properties. And yes, It makes it makes 5562 03:50:21,040 --> 03:50:22,479 all the sense in the world. It's already 5563 03:50:22,479 --> 03:50:26,479 there. Um, regarding Level Valley, um, 5564 03:50:26,479 --> 03:50:30,399 with a lack of intention, 5565 03:50:30,399 --> 03:50:34,720 I'm not compelled to, um, I and a lack 5566 03:50:34,720 --> 03:50:36,800 of information about what's going on 5567 03:50:36,800 --> 03:50:40,560 there. Um, I'm not compelled to 5568 03:50:40,560 --> 03:50:42,800 approve that. There's just I just don't 5569 03:50:42,800 --> 03:50:45,279 know enough. 5570 03:50:45,279 --> 03:50:47,429 >> Anybody else? 5571 03:50:47,429 --> 03:50:47,439 » Anybody else? 5572 03:50:47,439 --> 03:50:49,359 Okay, I'll just join in the comments of 5573 03:50:49,359 --> 03:50:50,800 my fellow commissioners. I don't have 5574 03:50:50,800 --> 03:50:54,720 much to add other than um I I join them 5575 03:50:54,720 --> 03:50:58,479 in their analysis of uh finding that a 5576 03:50:58,479 --> 03:51:01,600 reszone to to rural residential doesn't 5577 03:51:01,600 --> 03:51:05,840 quite meet the test um as far as you 5578 03:51:05,840 --> 03:51:09,680 know edge conditions and and um 5579 03:51:09,680 --> 03:51:12,080 I could see if we were entertaining the 5580 03:51:12,080 --> 03:51:15,520 idea of um housing on the adjacent site 5581 03:51:15,520 --> 03:51:16,960 then it might be a little bit more 5582 03:51:16,960 --> 03:51:20,080 applicable, but and by the consensus 5583 03:51:20,080 --> 03:51:22,720 tonight, it sounds like we are not. Um, 5584 03:51:22,720 --> 03:51:25,199 so for those reasons, I join in not 5585 03:51:25,199 --> 03:51:27,840 supporting the reszone for Level Valley, 5586 03:51:27,840 --> 03:51:32,319 but supporting uh the change to mixed 5587 03:51:32,319 --> 03:51:37,030 use on this other site. 5588 03:51:37,040 --> 03:51:38,800 And I will 5589 03:51:38,800 --> 03:51:39,910 >> Does it need to be? I 5590 03:51:39,910 --> 03:51:39,920 » Does it need to be? I 5591 03:51:39,920 --> 03:51:42,630 >> I didn't think so. 5592 03:51:42,630 --> 03:51:42,640 » I didn't think so. 5593 03:51:42,640 --> 03:51:45,120 Okay. Um 5594 03:51:45,120 --> 03:51:46,870 >> um 5595 03:51:46,870 --> 03:51:46,880 » um 5596 03:51:46,880 --> 03:51:48,319 question. 5597 03:51:48,319 --> 03:51:49,269 >> Yes. 5598 03:51:49,269 --> 03:51:49,279 » Yes. 5599 03:51:49,279 --> 03:51:53,830 >> Um in the if there was anything in 5600 03:51:53,830 --> 03:51:53,840 » Um in the if there was anything in 5601 03:51:53,840 --> 03:51:56,000 regards to the elements, I mean in 5602 03:51:56,000 --> 03:51:58,080 instead of going through them unless 5603 03:51:58,080 --> 03:52:01,359 anybody had some very specific comments 5604 03:52:01,359 --> 03:52:05,439 um is it possible to move those uh edits 5605 03:52:05,439 --> 03:52:09,359 forward or do you want them I know or do 5606 03:52:09,359 --> 03:52:13,830 you want them 5607 03:52:13,840 --> 03:52:16,239 moved again to the March meeting because 5608 03:52:16,239 --> 03:52:17,840 we've moved them so 5609 03:52:17,840 --> 03:52:19,429 >> three meetings now. I think 5610 03:52:19,429 --> 03:52:19,439 » three meetings now. I think 5611 03:52:19,439 --> 03:52:21,269 >> I I would be willing to entertain what 5612 03:52:21,269 --> 03:52:21,279 » I I would be willing to entertain what 5613 03:52:21,279 --> 03:52:24,080 my colleagues have to say, but I would 5614 03:52:24,080 --> 03:52:26,720 prefer to move them forward to March. I 5615 03:52:26,720 --> 03:52:28,640 think that they're deserving of a little 5616 03:52:28,640 --> 03:52:30,160 bit more conversation we can have at 5617 03:52:30,160 --> 03:52:31,920 this point. And I I would like to hear 5618 03:52:31,920 --> 03:52:35,840 5.1 tonight, too. Um 5619 03:52:35,840 --> 03:52:40,000 so it would be my opinion to to continue 5620 03:52:40,000 --> 03:52:42,800 the the balance of 5.2 to forward to to 5621 03:52:42,800 --> 03:52:44,319 the March date 5622 03:52:44,319 --> 03:52:46,950 >> and uh and to hear 5.1 before the 10 5623 03:52:46,950 --> 03:52:46,960 » and uh and to hear 5.1 before the 10 5624 03:52:46,960 --> 03:52:50,389 o'clock hour 5625 03:52:50,399 --> 03:52:54,710 » is there any 5626 03:52:54,720 --> 03:52:56,479 » so the only input that I would make is 5627 03:52:56,479 --> 03:52:58,239 that both of those both of those 5628 03:52:58,239 --> 03:53:00,640 elements have very minor edits from the 5629 03:53:00,640 --> 03:53:06,720 ad hoc because most of the um both most 5630 03:53:06,720 --> 03:53:10,080 of the elements are driven by 5631 03:53:10,080 --> 03:53:11,920 things we really don't have the 5632 03:53:11,920 --> 03:53:15,439 opportunity to have any input on. Right. 5633 03:53:15,439 --> 03:53:18,800 Um the safety element and the cultural 5634 03:53:18,800 --> 03:53:21,600 resource element are primarily directed 5635 03:53:21,600 --> 03:53:23,760 other than the way in which we're going 5636 03:53:23,760 --> 03:53:26,319 to implement the the cultural resource 5637 03:53:26,319 --> 03:53:29,600 are primarily directed by state law and 5638 03:53:29,600 --> 03:53:32,880 so our general plan is consuming state 5639 03:53:32,880 --> 03:53:35,120 law and putting it within it and 5640 03:53:35,120 --> 03:53:38,399 structuring it. So I think the 5641 03:53:38,399 --> 03:53:41,600 discussion would be relatively short 5642 03:53:41,600 --> 03:53:43,920 um around those two because the edits 5643 03:53:43,920 --> 03:53:46,640 are so minimal. In fact, one of them one 5644 03:53:46,640 --> 03:53:49,439 of them we didn't really even edit. The 5645 03:53:49,439 --> 03:53:51,600 cultural resource one we didn't even 5646 03:53:51,600 --> 03:53:54,560 have any comment on. 5647 03:53:54,560 --> 03:53:56,800 Okay. I I'd be willing to entertain a 5648 03:53:56,800 --> 03:53:59,760 poll of who would like to continue those 5649 03:53:59,760 --> 03:54:03,040 items within 5.2 to March versus uh 5650 03:54:03,040 --> 03:54:06,000 hearing them tonight. Um, I want to 5651 03:54:06,000 --> 03:54:08,560 understand if we do hear them tonight, 5652 03:54:08,560 --> 03:54:15,990 what happens with 5.1 5653 03:54:16,000 --> 03:54:17,359 » because I think that's a higher 5654 03:54:17,359 --> 03:54:21,439 priority. But, um, 5655 03:54:21,439 --> 03:54:24,150 >> so I I don't know. I'm I'm willing to go 5656 03:54:24,150 --> 03:54:24,160 » so I I don't know. I'm I'm willing to go 5657 03:54:24,160 --> 03:54:26,000 for another 20 minutes and we probably 5658 03:54:26,000 --> 03:54:28,720 in my opinion we could probably get done 5659 03:54:28,720 --> 03:54:30,000 and be done. 5660 03:54:30,000 --> 03:54:33,590 >> I I suggest we deal with 5.1 first. See 5661 03:54:33,590 --> 03:54:33,600 » I I suggest we deal with 5.1 first. See 5662 03:54:33,600 --> 03:54:35,120 how quickly we can get it out of the 5663 03:54:35,120 --> 03:54:35,439 way. 5664 03:54:35,439 --> 03:54:36,630 >> That is my suggestion. 5665 03:54:36,630 --> 03:54:36,640 » That is my suggestion. 5666 03:54:36,640 --> 03:54:39,670 >> Not that I want to rush. 5667 03:54:39,670 --> 03:54:39,680 » Not that I want to rush. 5668 03:54:39,680 --> 03:54:42,070 >> That is that is my suggestion. 5669 03:54:42,070 --> 03:54:42,080 » That is that is my suggestion. 5670 03:54:42,080 --> 03:54:43,910 >> And and then we'll do it. 5671 03:54:43,910 --> 03:54:43,920 » And and then we'll do it. 5672 03:54:43,920 --> 03:54:46,309 >> Wasn't one of those colors tonight. 5673 03:54:46,309 --> 03:54:46,319 » Wasn't one of those colors tonight. 5674 03:54:46,319 --> 03:54:48,239 Sloth. 5675 03:54:48,239 --> 03:54:48,710 >> Yes. 5676 03:54:48,710 --> 03:54:48,720 » Yes. 5677 03:54:48,720 --> 03:54:50,630 >> Yeah. 5678 03:54:50,630 --> 03:54:50,640 » Yeah. 5679 03:54:50,640 --> 03:54:52,630 >> Where did that come from? I don't know, 5680 03:54:52,630 --> 03:54:52,640 » Where did that come from? I don't know, 5681 03:54:52,640 --> 03:54:54,080 but it was on one of the colors. It was 5682 03:54:54,080 --> 03:54:56,319 a sloth gray. And I was thinking of you 5683 03:54:56,319 --> 03:54:58,239 not wanting to rush. Not that you're a 5684 03:54:58,239 --> 03:54:58,960 sloth. 5685 03:54:58,960 --> 03:55:00,630 >> What color is your house? 5686 03:55:00,630 --> 03:55:00,640 » What color is your house? 5687 03:55:00,640 --> 03:55:02,229 >> Sloth. 5688 03:55:02,229 --> 03:55:02,239 » Sloth. 5689 03:55:02,239 --> 03:55:05,990 >> Okay. So, that said, we are going to 5690 03:55:05,990 --> 03:55:06,000 » Okay. So, that said, we are going to 5691 03:55:06,000 --> 03:55:10,960 table 5, the balance of 5.2, 5692 03:55:10,960 --> 03:55:15,120 and move on to uh item 5.1, 5693 03:55:15,120 --> 03:55:17,600 interpretation of multifamily dwelling. 5694 03:55:17,600 --> 03:55:20,800 And director dates, if you would please. 5695 03:55:20,800 --> 03:55:23,670 >> Sure. Um 5696 03:55:23,670 --> 03:55:23,680 » Sure. Um 5697 03:55:23,680 --> 03:55:28,319 and there it goes. Um so um before you 5698 03:55:28,319 --> 03:55:31,279 is an interpretation um for your 5699 03:55:31,279 --> 03:55:33,920 consideration tonight. So again, strict 5700 03:55:33,920 --> 03:55:36,160 adherence um it's about multif family 5701 03:55:36,160 --> 03:55:38,720 dwelling. Strict adherence to of the 5702 03:55:38,720 --> 03:55:41,120 definition in the land use tables um for 5703 03:55:41,120 --> 03:55:44,399 multif family dwelling would preclude 5704 03:55:44,399 --> 03:55:46,399 multifamily residential development from 5705 03:55:46,399 --> 03:55:48,399 including multiple structures being 5706 03:55:48,399 --> 03:55:51,920 plural containing one unit each on a 5707 03:55:51,920 --> 03:55:53,520 single lot because the definition of 5708 03:55:53,520 --> 03:55:55,439 multif family dwelling refers to a 5709 03:55:55,439 --> 03:55:58,319 structure being singular 5710 03:55:58,319 --> 03:56:00,239 in order to allow mix of residential 5711 03:56:00,239 --> 03:56:02,080 building typologies and a multif family 5712 03:56:02,080 --> 03:56:04,239 residential development. the existing 5713 03:56:04,239 --> 03:56:06,800 definition of multifamily development is 5714 03:56:06,800 --> 03:56:10,000 more accurate um as a land use type 5715 03:56:10,000 --> 03:56:14,160 rather than um multifamily dwelling. 5716 03:56:14,160 --> 03:56:16,000 So interpreting multif family dwelling 5717 03:56:16,000 --> 03:56:20,160 to allow mix um of building types also 5718 03:56:20,160 --> 03:56:21,920 um comports with our development codes 5719 03:56:21,920 --> 03:56:24,080 rules of interpretation in that a 5720 03:56:24,080 --> 03:56:27,359 development code provides structure that 5721 03:56:27,359 --> 03:56:29,359 should be interpreted as structures and 5722 03:56:29,359 --> 03:56:31,359 the term structure is defined as 5723 03:56:31,359 --> 03:56:33,600 buildings being plural. So there's two 5724 03:56:33,600 --> 03:56:36,800 different um ways to interpret that. In 5725 03:56:36,800 --> 03:56:39,040 addition, while not specifically listed 5726 03:56:39,040 --> 03:56:41,199 in the land use table, a multif family 5727 03:56:41,199 --> 03:56:43,279 development does meet the same intent as 5728 03:56:43,279 --> 03:56:45,120 a multifamily dwelling in the zoning 5729 03:56:45,120 --> 03:56:47,920 district and is substantially similar to 5730 03:56:47,920 --> 03:56:50,560 a multifamily dwelling in the sense that 5731 03:56:50,560 --> 03:56:52,800 it contains more than two dwelling units 5732 03:56:52,800 --> 03:56:56,870 on a single parcel. 5733 03:56:56,880 --> 03:56:58,960 And so recommendation is to approve the 5734 03:56:58,960 --> 03:57:01,120 resolution accepting the zoning code 5735 03:57:01,120 --> 03:57:03,680 interpretation. So that would be for 5736 03:57:03,680 --> 03:57:07,120 purposes of the use table under um our 5737 03:57:07,120 --> 03:57:09,680 section 191050. 5738 03:57:09,680 --> 03:57:11,680 Multifamily dwelling shall have the same 5739 03:57:11,680 --> 03:57:14,319 meaning as multifamily development which 5740 03:57:14,319 --> 03:57:17,199 already is defined in our code. 5741 03:57:17,199 --> 03:57:19,680 That concludes my presentation. 5742 03:57:19,680 --> 03:57:22,309 >> Amazing. Any questions of director 5743 03:57:22,309 --> 03:57:22,319 » Amazing. Any questions of director 5744 03:57:22,319 --> 03:57:26,070 Gates? 5745 03:57:26,080 --> 03:57:28,000 Do I 5746 03:57:28,000 --> 03:57:31,349 >> I need to open public comment. 5747 03:57:31,349 --> 03:57:31,359 » I need to open public comment. 5748 03:57:31,359 --> 03:57:32,960 Any members of the public wishing to 5749 03:57:32,960 --> 03:57:34,960 address the commission? I see none. 5750 03:57:34,960 --> 03:57:37,830 >> Also, don't you 5751 03:57:37,830 --> 03:57:37,840 » Also, don't you 5752 03:57:37,840 --> 03:57:39,110 >> bring it back to the commission for 5753 03:57:39,110 --> 03:57:39,120 » bring it back to the commission for 5754 03:57:39,120 --> 03:57:41,520 comment? Does anybody have comment? 5755 03:57:41,520 --> 03:57:44,309 >> Okay. Neither do I. Is there a motion? 5756 03:57:44,309 --> 03:57:44,319 » Okay. Neither do I. Is there a motion? 5757 03:57:44,319 --> 03:57:48,080 Motion to approve the recommendation to 5758 03:57:48,080 --> 03:57:52,960 change um the use tables under SM's E 5759 03:57:52,960 --> 03:57:55,600 section 1910 5760 03:57:55,600 --> 03:57:58,080 050. 5761 03:57:58,080 --> 03:58:01,910 >> Second. 5762 03:58:01,920 --> 03:58:04,160 » Roll call, please. 5763 03:58:04,160 --> 03:58:05,110 >> Commissioner Willers. 5764 03:58:05,110 --> 03:58:05,120 » Commissioner Willers. 5765 03:58:05,120 --> 03:58:05,510 >> Yes. 5766 03:58:05,510 --> 03:58:05,520 » Yes. 5767 03:58:05,520 --> 03:58:06,550 >> Commissioner Barnett. 5768 03:58:06,550 --> 03:58:06,560 » Commissioner Barnett. 5769 03:58:06,560 --> 03:58:07,110 >> Hi. 5770 03:58:07,110 --> 03:58:07,120 » Hi. 5771 03:58:07,120 --> 03:58:08,469 >> Commissioner Gorman Jenkins. 5772 03:58:08,469 --> 03:58:08,479 » Commissioner Gorman Jenkins. 5773 03:58:08,479 --> 03:58:08,870 >> Hi. 5774 03:58:08,870 --> 03:58:08,880 » Hi. 5775 03:58:08,880 --> 03:58:10,550 >> Commissioner Donbach. 5776 03:58:10,550 --> 03:58:10,560 » Commissioner Donbach. 5777 03:58:10,560 --> 03:58:12,550 >> Commissioner O'Neal. 5778 03:58:12,550 --> 03:58:12,560 » Commissioner O'Neal. 5779 03:58:12,560 --> 03:58:15,750 >> Yes. Vice Chair Nent I. Chair Hyrick 5780 03:58:15,750 --> 03:58:15,760 » Yes. Vice Chair Nent I. Chair Hyrick 5781 03:58:15,760 --> 03:58:16,070 >> I. 5782 03:58:16,070 --> 03:58:16,080 » I. 5783 03:58:16,080 --> 03:58:19,189 >> Motion passes unanimously. 5784 03:58:19,189 --> 03:58:19,199 » Motion passes unanimously. 5785 03:58:19,199 --> 03:58:23,510 >> Okay. Can we continue the discussion on 5786 03:58:23,510 --> 03:58:23,520 » Okay. Can we continue the discussion on 5787 03:58:23,520 --> 03:58:25,600 the remaining points of 5.2? Is there 5788 03:58:25,600 --> 03:58:26,960 any objection? 5789 03:58:26,960 --> 03:58:28,710 >> I I have a question. Does that include 5790 03:58:28,710 --> 03:58:28,720 » I I have a question. Does that include 5791 03:58:28,720 --> 03:58:31,520 the land use element or just the because 5792 03:58:31,520 --> 03:58:34,720 the land use element is there. So that's 5793 03:58:34,720 --> 03:58:35,439 three. 5794 03:58:35,439 --> 03:58:39,269 >> So my recommendation is let's do 5795 03:58:39,269 --> 03:58:39,279 » So my recommendation is let's do 5796 03:58:39,279 --> 03:58:42,960 historic and safety. I'm fine with 5797 03:58:42,960 --> 03:58:45,359 continuing for the fourth time the land 5798 03:58:45,359 --> 03:58:48,399 use element or third time. I don't know. 5799 03:58:48,399 --> 03:58:50,800 I think we started in December. Um but 5800 03:58:50,800 --> 03:58:52,880 we'll get there. Um but these two I 5801 03:58:52,880 --> 03:58:54,239 think are really short and I think we 5802 03:58:54,239 --> 03:58:55,520 can get through them. 5803 03:58:55,520 --> 03:58:56,870 >> Is there any objection to hearing those 5804 03:58:56,870 --> 03:58:56,880 » Is there any objection to hearing those 5805 03:58:56,880 --> 03:58:58,399 two? 5806 03:58:58,399 --> 03:58:58,950 >> Okay. 5807 03:58:58,950 --> 03:58:58,960 » Okay. 5808 03:58:58,960 --> 03:59:00,630 >> And the first being historic and 5809 03:59:00,630 --> 03:59:00,640 » And the first being historic and 5810 03:59:00,640 --> 03:59:02,960 cultural resources. Anybody have any 5811 03:59:02,960 --> 03:59:04,239 comments? Because this one's the 5812 03:59:04,239 --> 03:59:06,720 easiest. I did present it to the 5813 03:59:06,720 --> 03:59:08,720 Historic Preservation Commission last 5814 03:59:08,720 --> 03:59:11,840 Friday. They do have Obviously, there a 5815 03:59:11,840 --> 03:59:13,600 number of edits, so I will be 5816 03:59:13,600 --> 03:59:15,920 incorporating those in the edits that 5817 03:59:15,920 --> 03:59:18,800 will um go into that final version, and 5818 03:59:18,800 --> 03:59:20,800 it's more for clarification purposes and 5819 03:59:20,800 --> 03:59:23,199 and some key terms um around like 5820 03:59:23,199 --> 03:59:25,920 cultural landscapes and uh intangible 5821 03:59:25,920 --> 03:59:28,399 resources and and different things that 5822 03:59:28,399 --> 03:59:31,680 um aren't quite in here. 5823 03:59:31,680 --> 03:59:34,469 >> I just have one one comment. Sure. And 5824 03:59:34,469 --> 03:59:34,479 » I just have one one comment. Sure. And 5825 03:59:34,479 --> 03:59:37,359 and and it just um it was just a flag as 5826 03:59:37,359 --> 03:59:40,080 I was reviewing it and I don't have any 5827 03:59:40,080 --> 03:59:44,720 There was a reference in on page 138. 5828 03:59:44,720 --> 03:59:46,630 >> Can you give me the the 5829 03:59:46,630 --> 03:59:46,640 » Can you give me the the 5830 03:59:46,640 --> 03:59:49,429 >> Oh, sorry. Um, it's the actions in 5831 03:59:49,429 --> 03:59:49,439 » Oh, sorry. Um, it's the actions in 5832 03:59:49,439 --> 03:59:54,150 support of goal essay-2 5833 03:59:54,160 --> 03:59:57,910 item C. 5834 03:59:57,920 --> 03:59:59,520 Oh, back down. 5835 03:59:59,520 --> 04:00:01,429 >> I swear this is quick. It's just the way 5836 04:00:01,429 --> 04:00:01,439 » I swear this is quick. It's just the way 5837 04:00:01,439 --> 04:00:02,080 my brain is. 5838 04:00:02,080 --> 04:00:03,110 >> Wait, you're talking about safety or 5839 04:00:03,110 --> 04:00:03,120 » Wait, you're talking about safety or 5840 04:00:03,120 --> 04:00:03,600 housing? 5841 04:00:03,600 --> 04:00:05,510 >> No, I'm talking about I thought this was 5842 04:00:05,510 --> 04:00:05,520 » No, I'm talking about I thought this was 5843 04:00:05,520 --> 04:00:08,319 cultural. I thought this was historic. 5844 04:00:08,319 --> 04:00:10,229 >> Yeah. HC HC. 5845 04:00:10,229 --> 04:00:10,239 » Yeah. HC HC. 5846 04:00:10,239 --> 04:00:14,870 >> Yeah. Two. Okay. Yeah. HC to 5847 04:00:14,870 --> 04:00:14,880 » Yeah. Two. Okay. Yeah. HC to 5848 04:00:14,880 --> 04:00:18,399 go down to goals. 5849 04:00:18,399 --> 04:00:20,479 It's just a point of clarification. Keep 5850 04:00:20,479 --> 04:00:23,750 going. 5851 04:00:23,760 --> 04:00:27,199 Yep. Next page. 5852 04:00:27,199 --> 04:00:28,720 See, 5853 04:00:28,720 --> 04:00:31,110 >> you have reference to Senate Bill 18. 5854 04:00:31,110 --> 04:00:31,120 » you have reference to Senate Bill 18. 5855 04:00:31,120 --> 04:00:33,040 There's no reference to Senate Bill 18 5856 04:00:33,040 --> 04:00:36,640 anywhere else in that section. 5857 04:00:36,640 --> 04:00:38,309 >> So, I just don't know what it is. I 5858 04:00:38,309 --> 04:00:38,319 » So, I just don't know what it is. I 5859 04:00:38,319 --> 04:00:40,080 thought maybe we wanted to explain it at 5860 04:00:40,080 --> 04:00:41,199 some point. 5861 04:00:41,199 --> 04:00:41,510 >> Okay. 5862 04:00:41,510 --> 04:00:41,520 » Okay. 5863 04:00:41,520 --> 04:00:43,189 >> So, I'm just making note that that's my 5864 04:00:43,189 --> 04:00:43,199 » So, I'm just making note that that's my 5865 04:00:43,199 --> 04:00:44,319 only comment. 5866 04:00:44,319 --> 04:00:45,110 >> All right. 5867 04:00:45,110 --> 04:00:45,120 » All right. 5868 04:00:45,120 --> 04:00:47,510 >> It's again, bills always kind of stand 5869 04:00:47,510 --> 04:00:47,520 » It's again, bills always kind of stand 5870 04:00:47,520 --> 04:00:49,760 out to me. So, but I couldn't find it 5871 04:00:49,760 --> 04:00:53,120 anywhere else in the in the draft. So, I 5872 04:00:53,120 --> 04:00:54,880 thought we might want to reference what 5873 04:00:54,880 --> 04:00:55,680 it is. 5874 04:00:55,680 --> 04:00:58,710 >> Okay, that's all. 5875 04:00:58,710 --> 04:00:58,720 » Okay, that's all. 5876 04:00:58,720 --> 04:00:59,269 >> Thank you. 5877 04:00:59,269 --> 04:00:59,279 » Thank you. 5878 04:00:59,279 --> 04:01:05,349 >> Sorry everybody. 5879 04:01:05,359 --> 04:01:07,840 » Any other questions? 5880 04:01:07,840 --> 04:01:12,150 related to this. 5881 04:01:12,160 --> 04:01:25,750 You want to do the other one, 5882 04:01:25,760 --> 04:01:29,199 » safety element. Um there were a few 5883 04:01:29,199 --> 04:01:32,239 edits comments. Um I will be adding more 5884 04:01:32,239 --> 04:01:35,359 around climate adaptation um based on 5885 04:01:35,359 --> 04:01:37,199 what we've done in our hazard ation 5886 04:01:37,199 --> 04:01:38,720 plan. I'm working with Sarah Tracy on 5887 04:01:38,720 --> 04:01:41,680 that right now. Um and then also after 5888 04:01:41,680 --> 04:01:43,760 the review of the hazard mitigation plan 5889 04:01:43,760 --> 04:01:46,319 plan by um Department of Emergency 5890 04:01:46,319 --> 04:01:48,479 Management and others, if we do have 5891 04:01:48,479 --> 04:01:51,439 another opportunity to modify that, 5892 04:01:51,439 --> 04:01:54,319 we're going to reverse also and and 5893 04:01:54,319 --> 04:01:56,000 incorporate some of the things that came 5894 04:01:56,000 --> 04:01:59,520 out of um the recent um evacuation 5895 04:01:59,520 --> 04:02:01,359 traffic study. some of those details 5896 04:02:01,359 --> 04:02:02,720 that are in there that don't belong in 5897 04:02:02,720 --> 04:02:04,479 the general plan but really go into that 5898 04:02:04,479 --> 04:02:07,120 hazard mitigation plan itself. So just 5899 04:02:07,120 --> 04:02:11,520 FYI on that. Um so 5900 04:02:11,520 --> 04:02:14,239 um just general if you anybody had any 5901 04:02:14,239 --> 04:02:16,640 specific questions or comments on the 5902 04:02:16,640 --> 04:02:20,800 safety element itself. Um there were a 5903 04:02:20,800 --> 04:02:25,760 few um comments um in this element. Um 5904 04:02:25,760 --> 04:02:28,319 just for also consistency sake with our 5905 04:02:28,319 --> 04:02:30,800 other element, we'll be reformatting 5906 04:02:30,800 --> 04:02:32,640 everything and and making sure that 5907 04:02:32,640 --> 04:02:36,150 there's consistency. 5908 04:02:36,160 --> 04:02:41,429 Um, 5909 04:02:41,439 --> 04:02:43,600 and so there's just been just small 5910 04:02:43,600 --> 04:02:46,560 little edits inside. 5911 04:02:46,560 --> 04:02:49,840 Anybody have any 5912 04:02:49,840 --> 04:02:51,760 questions? 5913 04:02:51,760 --> 04:02:54,309 >> Any questions? 5914 04:02:54,309 --> 04:02:54,319 » Any questions? 5915 04:02:54,319 --> 04:02:56,080 All right, 5916 04:02:56,080 --> 04:02:58,800 I think I have to reopen public comment 5917 04:02:58,800 --> 04:03:01,840 for anyone interested in commenting. 5918 04:03:01,840 --> 04:03:04,560 Okay, close public comment. Commission 5919 04:03:04,560 --> 04:03:08,790 comments. 5920 04:03:08,800 --> 04:03:12,000 hearing. Seeing none, 5921 04:03:12,000 --> 04:03:13,600 Director Gates, are you satisfied with 5922 04:03:13,600 --> 04:03:15,680 your feedback for those two elements? 5923 04:03:15,680 --> 04:03:16,950 >> I just want to note that it took two 5924 04:03:16,950 --> 04:03:16,960 » I just want to note that it took two 5925 04:03:16,960 --> 04:03:19,760 minutes. 5926 04:03:19,760 --> 04:03:21,910 >> I want to say the ad hoc rocks. 5927 04:03:21,910 --> 04:03:21,920 » I want to say the ad hoc rocks. 5928 04:03:21,920 --> 04:03:23,189 >> Yes. 5929 04:03:23,189 --> 04:03:23,199 » Yes. 5930 04:03:23,199 --> 04:03:26,710 >> Go ad hoc. 5931 04:03:26,710 --> 04:03:26,720 » Go ad hoc. 5932 04:03:26,720 --> 04:03:29,590 >> All right. 5933 04:03:29,590 --> 04:03:29,600 » All right. 5934 04:03:29,600 --> 04:03:31,110 >> Um, 5935 04:03:31,110 --> 04:03:31,120 » Um, 5936 04:03:31,120 --> 04:03:33,199 we have a 5.3. 5937 04:03:33,199 --> 04:03:33,760 No, 5938 04:03:33,760 --> 04:03:35,910 >> we do, but I can continue that one that 5939 04:03:35,910 --> 04:03:35,920 » we do, but I can continue that one that 5940 04:03:35,920 --> 04:03:38,000 really going to be that's really 5941 04:03:38,000 --> 04:03:39,600 connected to the land use element. 5942 04:03:39,600 --> 04:03:40,389 >> Okay. So, 5943 04:03:40,389 --> 04:03:40,399 » Okay. So, 5944 04:03:40,399 --> 04:03:42,710 >> so 5.3 is to be continued 5945 04:03:42,710 --> 04:03:42,720 » so 5.3 is to be continued 5946 04:03:42,720 --> 04:03:43,750 >> with the land use element. 5947 04:03:43,750 --> 04:03:43,760 » with the land use element. 5948 04:03:43,760 --> 04:03:45,990 >> With the land use element. No 5949 04:03:45,990 --> 04:03:46,000 » With the land use element. No 5950 04:03:46,000 --> 04:03:48,800 objections. 5951 04:03:48,800 --> 04:03:50,239 All right. Director comments and 5952 04:03:50,239 --> 04:03:54,309 announcements. 5953 04:03:54,319 --> 04:03:57,120 » I I can't think right now. 5954 04:03:57,120 --> 04:04:01,429 >> Commissioner reports and comments. 5955 04:04:01,439 --> 04:04:03,600 I will just quickly say that I think 5956 04:04:03,600 --> 04:04:05,040 Jennifer is doing an excellent job 5957 04:04:05,040 --> 04:04:06,800 marshalling this general plan process 5958 04:04:06,800 --> 04:04:09,439 through and it takes some serious 5959 04:04:09,439 --> 04:04:11,840 patience to deal with 5960 04:04:11,840 --> 04:04:14,160 planning commissions and all the various 5961 04:04:14,160 --> 04:04:16,800 other commissions under your purview and 5962 04:04:16,800 --> 04:04:22,000 um interface with the with a um to our 5963 04:04:22,000 --> 04:04:24,399 consultant and be an intermediary 5964 04:04:24,399 --> 04:04:27,199 between the city 5965 04:04:27,199 --> 04:04:28,960 the various powers to be to include the 5966 04:04:28,960 --> 04:04:30,479 city council on all your commissions. 5967 04:04:30,479 --> 04:04:32,319 So, we think you're doing a great job. I 5968 04:04:32,319 --> 04:04:33,199 think you're doing a great job. 5969 04:04:33,199 --> 04:04:34,389 >> I second that. 5970 04:04:34,389 --> 04:04:34,399 » I second that. 5971 04:04:34,399 --> 04:04:37,750 >> Um, thank you for your tireless efforts 5972 04:04:37,750 --> 04:04:37,760 » Um, thank you for your tireless efforts 5973 04:04:37,760 --> 04:04:40,080 and um, keep up the good work. Hannah, 5974 04:04:40,080 --> 04:04:44,710 you too, I guess. 5975 04:04:44,720 --> 04:04:46,640 » Um, and on that note, 5976 04:04:46,640 --> 04:04:48,870 >> motion to motion to adjurnn. All right. 5977 04:04:48,870 --> 04:04:48,880 » motion to motion to adjurnn. All right. 5978 04:04:48,880 --> 04:04:52,120 So, move