1 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:14,519 to order. First thing is to uh please stand for the pledge of allegiance. 2 00:03:19,599 --> 00:03:30,319 I aliance of America to the republic for which it 3 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:36,920 stands. One nation indivisible andice andice for all. 4 00:03:33,920 --> 00:03:36,920 » All right. 5 00:03:38,799 --> 00:03:44,360 All right. All right. 6 00:03:52,159 --> 00:03:57,680 And then Kathy, whenever you're ready, let's do a roll call. 7 00:03:55,760 --> 00:04:00,319 » Vice Chair Bran Con, >> present. 8 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:03,319 » Committee member Brennan, >> present. 9 00:04:04,799 --> 00:04:10,480 » Committee Committee member Coer, >> present. 10 00:04:08,959 --> 00:04:15,920 » Youth member Mansfield, >> present. Committee member Newman is not 11 00:04:13,519 --> 00:04:18,239 present. Committee member Hyrick >> present. 12 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:22,040 » And Chair Lobinger >> present. 13 00:04:18,799 --> 00:04:22,040 » Thank you. 14 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:32,800 » Let let the record show that committee member Deano and committee member Newman 15 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:38,639 are not in attendance. >> All right. Next, we're going to um go 16 00:04:35,840 --> 00:04:44,639 get an approval for the agenda. Uh does anybody from the committee have any 17 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:48,160 changes to the uh to the agenda? Okay, seeing none, um 18 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:51,840 » make a motion. >> I make a motion to approve it. 19 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:56,160 » I got to do one quick thing and then we'll take a motion. Is there any uh 20 00:04:53,520 --> 00:05:03,120 public comment just regarding the agenda itself? Nothing on the agenda. 21 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:08,320 All right. Seeing none, can we ask for a motion to approve the 22 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:11,720 agenda? There we go. I make a motion to approve the agenda. 23 00:05:11,759 --> 00:05:15,000 » I'll second 24 00:05:18,639 --> 00:05:21,639 it. 25 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:28,400 » Vice Chair Branone. >> Hi. 26 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:31,680 » Committee member Brandon >> here. 27 00:05:29,759 --> 00:05:33,919 » Committee member Foster. >> Hi. 28 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:37,039 » Youth member Mansfield. >> Hi. 29 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:42,039 » Committee member Newman. pass. Don't know the issue. 30 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:42,039 » Um, approving the agenda. 31 00:05:45,039 --> 00:05:51,840 » Yes. >> Committee member Wyrick. 32 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:55,120 » 10 time. >> Chair Love Singer. 33 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:59,120 » I. >> Thank you. The motion passes 34 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:06,080 unanimously. >> Okay. Caught up, Jay. All right. Um, at 35 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:10,720 this time, we're gonna At this time, members of the public may 36 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:14,720 comment on any item that does not appear on tonight's agenda. It is recommended 37 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:18,240 that you keep your comments to three minutes or less under state law. Matters 38 00:06:16,639 --> 00:06:22,400 presented under this item cannot be discussed or acted upon by the traffic 39 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:26,400 safety committee at this time. For items appearing on the agenda, the public will 40 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:30,240 be invited to make comments at the time the item comes up for committee 41 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:34,160 consideration. Upon being acknowledged by the chair, please step up to the 42 00:06:31,840 --> 00:06:38,160 podium and speak into the microphone and begin by stating and spelling your name. 43 00:06:36,319 --> 00:06:43,280 Is there any public comment on anything that does not appear on the agenda 44 00:06:40,319 --> 00:06:48,720 today? Okay, seeing none, we will move on to 45 00:06:46,319 --> 00:06:53,680 the consent calendar. And are there any questions about the 46 00:06:50,319 --> 00:06:56,919 consent calendar from um anybody from the committee? 47 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:05,960 Okay, seeing none, are there any uh is there any public comment regarding the 48 00:07:02,479 --> 00:07:05,960 consent calendar? 49 00:07:06,319 --> 00:07:12,759 Okay, seeing none, is there a motion to approve the consent calendar? 50 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:20,280 » I a motion to approve the consent calendar. 51 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,280 » I second. 52 00:07:21,039 --> 00:07:25,520 » Vice Chair Branone. >> I. 53 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:28,000 » Committee member Brennan. I >> committee member Coster. 54 00:07:26,639 --> 00:07:29,919 » Hi. >> Uh, youth member Mansfield. 55 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,319 » Hi, >> committee member Newman. 56 00:07:31,039 --> 00:07:36,639 » Hi. >> You uh committee member Wyrick. 57 00:07:34,639 --> 00:07:38,800 » I and Chair Lobinger. >> I 58 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:44,400 » thank you. The po the motion passes unanimously. 59 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:49,360 » All right. Um, moving on. We're going to receive the minutes from the last 60 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:52,639 meeting. >> That was part of the consent. 61 00:07:50,479 --> 00:07:56,319 » Oh, that was part Sorry. Move on. We're going to move on to the regular 62 00:07:53,599 --> 00:08:01,759 calendar. Sorry, getting ahead of myself or getting falling behind, I suppose. 63 00:07:58,319 --> 00:08:07,599 Um, okay. So, now the um on the regular calendar, we're going to review uh new 64 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:12,720 traffic hazard reporting forms, and I'm going to turn it over to Ashley Carter 65 00:08:09,759 --> 00:08:18,240 from public works. Ashley, >> thank you, Chair Lobinger. Um, so this 66 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:23,120 agenda item goes over new traffic hazard reporting forms that have received more 67 00:08:20,879 --> 00:08:27,120 five signatures or more um, as part of the convention that was established in 68 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:31,199 the November 2025 traffic safety committee meeting. Um, so we did receive 69 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:34,880 a total of 10 traffic hazard reporting forms, seven of which we covered under 70 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:38,560 the consent calendar items. We will be reviewing the three traffic hazard 71 00:08:36,719 --> 00:08:43,760 reporting forms that have been submitted with more than five signatures. Um, as 72 00:08:41,599 --> 00:08:48,560 part of our standard process, we hosted a traffic engineering safety team 73 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:53,120 meeting on June 10th, 2020 uh that should say 2026 and um discussed the 74 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:58,240 Malay Street traffic hazard reporting forms, the 20 miles per hour speed limit 75 00:08:56,399 --> 00:09:02,959 reduction as well as the temporary traffic circle plans with the fire and 76 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:09,760 police departments as well as the city traffic engineer. The 20 mile hour speed 77 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:14,959 surveys are currently ongoing and being evaluated, worked on by GHD. um the 78 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:20,800 presentation of those findings and the overall presentation for that will be at 79 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:25,040 the November 2nd, 2026 traffic safety committee meeting. Following the traffic 80 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:30,399 engineering safety team meeting on um we also had an ad hoc meeting to address um 81 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:34,800 the broader corridors that was formed at the February traffic safety committee 82 00:09:31,839 --> 00:09:40,560 meeting and um we addressed the Malay Street traffic hazard reporting forms 83 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:44,480 and um at that point we had had the speed survey data come in from Malay 84 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:49,519 that was previously unavailable at the May um traffic safety committee meeting 85 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:55,040 and so we utilize that data to evaluate the um previous traffic has a reporting 86 00:09:52,160 --> 00:10:00,959 form for speed bumps as well as the traffic has a reporting form requesting 87 00:09:57,519 --> 00:10:05,360 a closure. Um the average speed for westbound traffic was about 16 miles an 88 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:10,560 hour and the average speed for eastbound traffic was about 15 miles an hour. The 89 00:10:07,680 --> 00:10:14,959 speed survey was done in May to account for um tra cut through traffic from the 90 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:20,160 high school. So, it was done during school hours while school was in session 91 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:25,440 in order to get an accurate picture of um what was going on. Um the ad hoc and 92 00:10:23,680 --> 00:10:31,680 the traffic engineering safety team reviewed this data and found that it 93 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:36,560 didn't meet warrants for speed bumps. Um and additionally regarding the Fire 94 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:41,120 Creek closure, um we did get a note from the fire department stating that the 95 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:45,519 fire fire creek subdivision was approved um with access and water supply were 96 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:50,000 evaluated together under the fire code. Um and the opening of of Malay for 97 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:55,040 through traffic was integral to satisfying the secondary access for that 98 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:58,480 subdivision. The road wasn't an incidental connection. It was part of 99 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:02,480 the approved access network the subdivision depends on. Because of that, 100 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:06,320 closing that road is not something the fire department would be comfortable 101 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:09,519 supporting, and removing that connection would reduce the subdivision back to a 102 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:13,519 condition that might not meet access requirements when it was approved under. 103 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:18,880 And so, for that reason, we're recommending that those two be closed 104 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:23,440 out. Um, after those meetings occurred, we did receive two additional traffic 105 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:28,640 hazard reporting forms. One regarding the substandard width of Vign Street and 106 00:11:26,079 --> 00:11:32,240 the second regarding our traffic circle. The traffic circle will be evaluated 107 00:11:30,399 --> 00:11:36,959 under a separate item tonight. So that won't be covered under this agenda item. 108 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:41,680 Um however, the Vign Street um traffic hazard reporting form was evaluated. Um 109 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:48,000 the resident had also um started a review process with the fire department 110 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:52,560 um in in um accompanyment of the traffic hazard reporting form. And so the fire 111 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:57,920 department recommended that the north side of Vigna be red curbed due to the 112 00:11:56,160 --> 00:12:02,399 substandard width that to allow for additional um emergency access. So we're 113 00:12:00,399 --> 00:12:05,600 um public works has forwarded that request to the city traffic engineer. 114 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:10,800 The city traffic engineer is in agreement and so per the Sonoma 115 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:16,880 municipal code um we are we can red curb um narrow streets for um 116 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:20,639 emergency access with the approval of the traffic engineer. fire department is 117 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:27,040 also in agreement. So, we're recommending that that be completed. Um, 118 00:12:24,399 --> 00:12:31,600 and with that, those are all of the traffic hazard reporting forms that we 119 00:12:29,519 --> 00:12:37,920 have received with more than five signatures. And as part of this, our um 120 00:12:34,959 --> 00:12:42,480 this is our standard chart that we've used. Um, the committee 121 00:12:40,639 --> 00:12:45,839 should be relatively familiar with this. This goes over all of our old traffic 122 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:50,880 hazard reporting forms that we have received and I have added some updates. 123 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:55,920 Um, CALR has gone through and striped 7th Street at um, West Napa. However, I 124 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:59,760 don't believe the signage has been completed yet. So, we um, have followed 125 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:04,320 up with CALR regarding that and are hoping for an update on when the 126 00:13:01,519 --> 00:13:08,800 improvement plan will be completed in its entirety. 127 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:15,760 Um, a couple of these things have updates um or are pending other um 128 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:21,040 improvements like the overall citywide bicycle and pedestrian improvement plan. 129 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:27,399 Um, and then these are the new ones with the public works recommendations if the 130 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,399 committee has any questions. 131 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:46,279 Ashley, can you scroll back up? >> Yes. 132 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:46,279 » Right there just for one second. 133 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:13,480 Okay. Uh any um any questions from the committee about 134 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,480 this? 135 00:14:13,680 --> 00:14:22,560 » Uh from the May meeting, we had discussed on Spain Street the 136 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:28,480 installation of the speed feedback sign. Has there been an additional speed 137 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:33,199 survey after that last item was completed? 138 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:37,120 » No, we have not conducted additional speed survey um after that was 139 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:41,920 installed, but we are in the process of conducting speed surveys throughout the 140 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:46,240 city for the 20 mph speed limit reduction. 141 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:51,279 » Okay. Thank you. >> And just so I can just so we're all 142 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:55,199 clear, the the three items we're looking at, Malay, 143 00:14:53,600 --> 00:15:00,560 vignette, and then the traffic circle. So the recommendation is to close out 144 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:06,320 the Malay um traffic hazard reporting form and the other one is on Vignia 145 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:08,880 basically >> per the fire marshal traffic engineer 146 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:13,519 paint it red. >> Yes. And then just sorry I just realized 147 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:19,120 that the other Malay Street one is right up here. Okay. Um it just had been 148 00:15:15,519 --> 00:15:22,880 received later so it wasn't marked >> but we do finally have the speed survey 149 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:27,120 data to process this one. So that's why it's being prioritized tonight. Okay. 150 00:15:25,519 --> 00:15:33,839 And then uh one more question on the Spain street. Uh in the May 5th meeting, 151 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:37,760 Chair Lobinger had asked about sidewalks and in the in front of the state 152 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:42,320 property. You guys said you were going to look into that and see if there was 153 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:47,560 issues there with right away and things like that. Uh what's the report back on 154 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,560 that? 155 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:54,959 » We're still looking into that. We'll get back to you on that next next meeting. 156 00:15:53,519 --> 00:16:00,800 Got it. And then I just wanted to clarify also that on Vigna Street there 157 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:04,560 we are doing limited red curb next to adjacent immediately adjacent to the 158 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:07,600 driveways on the street just so that people don't park too close to the 159 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:10,600 driveway based on the width of that street. 160 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:20,680 All right. Um is there any public comment regarding Malay or Vignya 161 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,680 Street? 162 00:16:24,639 --> 00:16:30,399 Good evening everyone. My name is Elizabeth Rouse, but now it's legally 163 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:35,680 Phillips. After three years of being married, I went to Social Security. So 164 00:16:32,079 --> 00:16:40,399 that's P I L L I S. And this is my prop for the evening, Emma, my eight-month 165 00:16:38,399 --> 00:16:44,320 old daughter. I hope everybody had a really good summer. And I want to thank 166 00:16:42,079 --> 00:16:49,360 everybody. Nice bangs, Ashley. I really like them. Um, I want to thank everybody 167 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:52,800 again for um, looking into the Malay speed bumps for us as well as closure, 168 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:58,160 which my fellow neighbors will be talking about. Um, I'm asking that you 169 00:16:55,279 --> 00:17:02,639 do not close the door on this just yet. While you have the data that shows that 170 00:16:59,839 --> 00:17:06,959 the average speed was 16 miles per hour, you also have the data that every 171 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:11,199 resident on Malay Street is in agreeance that we have a speed issue on our street 172 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:15,439 and that's per the signatures I collected towards the end of last year. 173 00:17:13,439 --> 00:17:19,120 You also know that Malay is the only street in that entire neighborhood that 174 00:17:17,120 --> 00:17:21,760 does not the only through street in that entire neighborhood that does not 175 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:25,919 already have speed bumps like the others. We are also a more narrow street 176 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:32,400 than the others. So, I think that poses a more an even larger safety risk. 177 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:37,679 And while I loved having this police speed radar in front of the house uh for 178 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:42,000 a few days, as I do believe it did help slow traffic down, I don't think it gave 179 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:46,799 an accurate representation of what we experience on that street every single 180 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:50,960 day. I ask that you attempt to install a more traditional survey equipment to 181 00:17:49,039 --> 00:17:55,760 collect the data that you need. I know you repeatedly ran into issues, but if 182 00:17:53,039 --> 00:18:00,640 we can still try to push for that um something that's a little bit more 183 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:04,880 hidden, that would be really great. Um possibly one that isn't designed to slow 184 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:08,240 people down when they see it. I want to thank the police department for sparing 185 00:18:06,559 --> 00:18:11,679 that piece of equipment for a few days. Thank you very much. And I want to thank 186 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:16,280 you all for taking into consideration the safety of Malay Street. Thank you. 187 00:18:17,919 --> 00:18:20,960 » Thank you. 188 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:34,559 Hello, my name is Raina. R A I N A last name Campbell will be speaking about VNA 189 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:38,720 Street. Before I begin, committee members, please look at the physical 190 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:43,600 packet I handed you. While I am happy the North Side Fire Lane is finally on 191 00:18:41,039 --> 00:18:48,160 tonight's agenda, public works has shown no urgency to schedule it. Furthermore, 192 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:53,360 their plans completely leave out the critical southside curb pocket, which 193 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:57,840 remains a severe safety issue. Because my correspondence, photos, and blueprint 194 00:18:55,679 --> 00:19:02,080 were emitted from your agenda packet, I provided this copy to ensure you have 195 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:05,600 the actual facts. My house is located right at the 196 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:10,640 intersection of Third Street West in Vigna, and my driveway sits on the south 197 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:15,919 side of Vigna. I am directly impacted by the severe safety hazard. I personally 198 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:20,880 identified this deficiency, initiated the fire department's investigation, and 199 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:25,760 filed a THRF. As a result, the fire chief officially 200 00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:30,559 determined a fire code deficiency exists under Soma Municipal Code section 201 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:34,400 191230. While I am glad the fire lane is up for 202 00:19:32,559 --> 00:19:39,360 approval, the committee must direct public works to paint the entire north 203 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:44,720 side hydrant immediately. In addition, we need a red curb on the south side 204 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:50,080 directly to the left of my driveway. Originally, staff wanted to paint the 205 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:55,039 south side right away as the designated fire lane instead of the north side 206 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:59,840 hydrant with no explanation, which residents had to object to stop. Yet, 207 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:04,160 when it came to painting the correct side and factoring in the rest of the 208 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:08,000 red curbs, public works has dragged their feet and failed to share their 209 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:12,640 layout and kept their engineering plans hidden. Even with the north side 210 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:18,640 painted, our safety crisis remains unless you factor in the unpainted 211 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:24,480 southside pocket. It measures exactly 26 feet 7 in from my driveway throat to the 212 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:29,600 ADA ramp corner. By California state law, vehicles cannot park within 20 feet 213 00:20:27,039 --> 00:20:35,360 of a pedestrian ramp approach. That mandatory buffer leaves a mere six feet 214 00:20:32,159 --> 00:20:39,039 of legal curb space. A standard vehicle cannot physically fit in there. Living 215 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:43,200 right at the intersection of Third Street West in Vigna, I see firsthand 216 00:20:41,120 --> 00:20:48,480 how the reduced parking from the traffic circle forces overflow traffic from the 217 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:54,720 nearby dental offices onto our tiny narrow 24 street where drivers park from 218 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:59,840 nearby dental offices onto our narrow 24 ft street blindly without realizing the 219 00:20:58,159 --> 00:21:04,320 hazard. Tonight I ask the committee to approve 220 00:21:01,919 --> 00:21:10,480 the agenda items with specific directives and one ensure the entire 221 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:18,000 north side north hydrant side fire lane is painted red immediately. Paint the 222 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:24,640 entire 26 foot 7in curb on the south side to the left of my driveway. Three, 223 00:21:21,679 --> 00:21:28,240 direct staff to give advanced notice and schedule the work after 10:00 a.m. so we 224 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:32,559 have sufficient time to enter and exit our driveways without obstacles. And 225 00:21:30,559 --> 00:21:37,520 number four, guarantee no further construction or elements of the Third 226 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:41,080 Street traffic project connect to Vigna Street. Thank you. 227 00:21:41,679 --> 00:21:44,919 » Thank you. 228 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:59,280 Hi there. My name is Daniel Sinat, spelled Si N O T. 229 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:03,520 Um, and I'm here to talk about the closing off of the end of Malay Street. 230 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:08,880 Um, I got the 231 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:13,760 message just now from um from public works about what the fire department had 232 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:16,559 to say and you know I've had this immediate response in myself like oh 233 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:23,200 well the fire department you know they're the you know they're the bosses 234 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:28,080 so they say no then no it must be but um I have a very strong sense that there 235 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:33,280 are practical workarounds to getting a fire truck or any other emergency 236 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:36,240 vehicle through there um as needed. And in fact, my vision for the closure of 237 00:22:35,039 --> 00:22:39,679 the end of the street would be something that's somewhat permeable so that if 238 00:22:37,919 --> 00:22:45,280 there's some reason, you know, good reason to drive a trash truck or a 239 00:22:42,559 --> 00:22:50,720 18-wheeler or whatever, you know, odd moment comes that a vehicle, a big 240 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:56,320 vehicle can pull through there. Um, so, um, I would still like to keep this 241 00:22:52,720 --> 00:23:02,480 possibility open and find ways to make a really beautiful solution to the we want 242 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:08,720 a walkable neighborhood with access as is needed, but to not compromise the 243 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:12,960 broader vision of creating a beautiful place for people to walk. And in fact, 244 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:16,960 in terms of surveys, I would love to see a walking survey because there's 245 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:21,280 probably 10 times as many people, 20 times as many people walking the street 246 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:26,000 every day as to live there. And it's a very big walking corridor. And it would 247 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:30,960 change the quality of the neighborhood if there were no if it wasn't so 248 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:35,679 trafficked. So that, you know, dogs are sleeping and, you know, old men are, you 249 00:23:33,919 --> 00:23:39,120 know, meandering across the street. And it creates a very different social 250 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:43,360 moment if you're not looking for traffic because there is no traffic. So, I 251 00:23:41,679 --> 00:23:47,039 brought a little show and tell. I don't know if you guys have like a projector 252 00:23:44,799 --> 00:23:51,559 or something like that. Nope. Okay. Well, 253 00:23:51,600 --> 00:24:01,520 trust me when I say that um there are barriers like um I've seen them in 254 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:06,320 Berkeley that are um low. The car can drive over them. Um, but you 255 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:09,039 would be nervous to, but your car will get over it. And we would certainly have 256 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:12,720 it engineered so that it's low enough for the cops to drive over and certainly 257 00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:19,440 low enough for trash trucks and fire trucks to get over. And so it's it's a 258 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:23,679 wide birth for a big vehicle. Cars and bicycle, you know, cars can come up to 259 00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:28,080 it. Big sign. No, not for you. Bicycles and pedestrians, you know, come on 260 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:32,400 through. And so we could have our cake and eat it, too. We could meet all the 261 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:39,760 security, safety, access concerns that we have. and still have a nice walkable 262 00:24:35,039 --> 00:24:43,000 neighborhood. So that's my input. >> Thank you. 263 00:24:49,919 --> 00:24:57,120 » Uh my name is Jamie Johnson, J A Mi Johnson. Uh, I live along with my wife 264 00:24:54,559 --> 00:25:02,480 Karen Lulich at the north end of Mallay Street within a few yards of where the 265 00:24:59,679 --> 00:25:08,240 roundabout is currently where Malet uh um and Frier Creek uh meet and I'll 266 00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:12,240 present an opposing view. Um I'm pleased to hear the fire department identified 267 00:25:09,919 --> 00:25:16,080 the bottleneck issue. Um obviously that's the primary concern. I think 268 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:21,120 there are other considerations though that are worth airing. Um the reduction 269 00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:24,559 of two escape routes is significant. I'm sure that's part of the fire 270 00:25:22,159 --> 00:25:27,600 department's deliberations. Other neighbors have raised the question 271 00:25:25,679 --> 00:25:33,440 whether that would impact our insurance costs. Um, it's an unknown as far as I'm 272 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:38,720 concerned. Access for garbage, which uh a useful pointed out. Garbage, recycling 273 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:44,320 trucks, street cleaners, delivery vehicles, mail trucks, um, all I believe 274 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:51,279 would find it difficult to turn around in the at the junction as it's currently 275 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:56,880 configured. Um, we I would say suffered through over a year of noise from the 276 00:25:53,840 --> 00:26:02,960 construction site at at uh Fifth Street West and MacArthur from the 5:00 a.m. 277 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:08,400 Monday morning arrival of construction vehicles through the reversing alarms. 278 00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:12,240 And I have a concern that if um uh garbage trucks and the like were 279 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:16,159 confronted with a similar need to turn around in a short space in that area, 280 00:26:14,159 --> 00:26:22,400 noise would become an issue for us as well. Um the increased traffic flows 281 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:27,919 which would result from uh a barricade at that mark would redirect traffic down 282 00:26:25,039 --> 00:26:32,960 Frier Creek up Nukem and onto First Street West placing it in part in 283 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:38,320 conflict with traffic that comes off of uh the high school exit from Broadway at 284 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:42,559 Nukem there and on First Street West. Um, so there's an issue in terms of the 285 00:26:40,159 --> 00:26:46,080 traffic impact for the local area and frankly there's an inconvenience factor 286 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:51,520 too for those of us on Frier Creek and Nukem. Uh, we can currently get to town 287 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:56,240 by driving one block. Uh, this would divert us the length of Frier Creek, the 288 00:26:53,760 --> 00:27:01,840 length of Nukem and back down, increasing the cost, um, the time and 289 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:07,120 the environmental impact of every trip we would take to town to do simple 290 00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:12,640 business or enjoy the amenities of the town. 291 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:17,279 Um, so, uh, I I I hear the points. There may be workarounds. Uh, we have no 292 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:21,200 objection to speed bumps on Malle. Sidewalks would be delightful on Malle. 293 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:26,400 Um, but I do think we should be allowed to continue to uh, drive up and down it. 294 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:30,720 And I think the costs of the proposed barrier are outweighed or sorry, the 295 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:37,960 benefits are outweighed by the cost to the neighborhood. Thank you. 296 00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:37,960 » Thank you. 297 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:47,360 Is there any other public comment regarding Malay? There we go. We got 298 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:50,960 » Hi, Tom Conlin. Um, I'm here as an individual tonight. Uh, live just 299 00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:54,799 outside the city limits. I just want to say how excited and happy I am to see so 300 00:27:53,039 --> 00:27:59,520 many people out in Soma to talk about traffic safety. It's a good testimony to 301 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:03,039 the work that your committee does and staff. And I want to thank the police 302 00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:07,200 department, fire department, our consulting engineer as well for the 303 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:13,279 input to tonight's agenda. I have reviewed this list um of projects. I 304 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:18,080 don't see any significant concerns. It looks like staff has been deliberative, 305 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:23,919 looked through all of the input provided by the community and uh I don't have any 306 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:28,320 concerns with this agenda item. I support staff's recommendations tonight. 307 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:33,520 I'm I do point want to point out I it's a little ironic that like with the Malay 308 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:37,520 Street there's many people asking for traffic calming measures on their street 309 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:41,679 later in your agenda you have people who actually have the opportunity of traffic 310 00:28:39,039 --> 00:28:45,520 caling measures to be installed and and yet they're being opposed. So that's why 311 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:49,399 you guys make the big bucks. So thank you for your service tonight. 312 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:56,600 » We get we get a pay increase after tonight, right? 313 00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:56,600 » Double it. 314 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:08,080 Hello. Um, my name is Katrina Wedell. I'm a resident of Frier Creek, right um, 315 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:13,039 two houses in from LA. Um, and I'm happy to see my neighbors so civically engaged 316 00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:17,760 tonight. Um, I'm here to thank you for the work that you did um, surveying 317 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:22,320 speed. um what the assessment showed is is my experience, but safety is a 318 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:27,760 priority in the neighborhood. And so if speed bumps are determined necessary, 319 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:32,240 fine. But a blockade puts me and my family at risk. 320 00:29:30,159 --> 00:29:37,120 Um the blockade would be between Fire Creek and Malay. And so it would mean 321 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:42,480 that if a block was there and there was an issue, it's minutes that would impact 322 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:49,200 my family. Um and that's not true for the residents on Malay. Um, and so I'm 323 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:53,120 here to strongly urge that you continue with the recommendation. Again, safety 324 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:59,840 is important. No problem with speed bumps. Um, and I also want to echo that 325 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:05,120 blocking that off cuts us off from the heart of Soma. And I'm a new resident in 326 00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:09,760 Soma, but one of the things that I loved about this was the sense of community. 327 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:13,760 And so to put a blockade between our neighborhood and the high school and our 328 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:19,919 neighborhood and the town really does not um feel like the spirit that we love 329 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:25,760 so much about this town. So in addition to the risks, there's a a disconnection 330 00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:29,039 that um hasn't proved necessary yet. So thank you for your time. 331 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,960 Thank you. 332 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:46,559 » Well, sir, you've already given your three minutes. I'll let you have one 333 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:50,399 minute of a rebuttal just in the spirit of 334 00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:55,039 » um so the the the barrier that um barriers that I've seen barriers that 335 00:30:52,159 --> 00:31:00,559 I've seen um are more like invitations to connect as opposed to barriers to not 336 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:06,399 connect. So they're planners with you know flowers and people on bicycles and 337 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:11,679 and people walking and it it invites a more social connection. It's not a car 338 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:19,159 centric connection. And it's a pedestrian centric connection. It's it's 339 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:19,159 a big invitation to connect. 340 00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:25,320 » Okay. All right. Thank you. 341 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:32,559 » One comment. Um I uh am Karen Lolich. Um Jamie Johnson's wife. 342 00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:40,880 » Could you spell your name, please? >> Sure. Uh L O L I C H. Karen with a K. 343 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:44,799 And I would also like to say this is my first city council meeting and I'm 344 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:52,159 pretty impressed with the process and the turnout and all of that. And um you 345 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:59,120 know I I kind of wanted to I I strongly um agree with the suggestion to close 346 00:31:55,120 --> 00:32:02,880 out the Mallay um traffic forums. And I just would like to add a small thing 347 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:08,960 because I think we've covered a lot of the big points. I walk up and down 348 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:15,600 Mallay Street often two or three times a day and I've rarely have ever had a 349 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:20,000 problem or felt unsafe or you know occasionally there might be a little 350 00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:24,480 traffic. It's very occasional. It's to me it's a lovely street and I know I 351 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:28,559 don't live on there but we would know we're right at the corner of where those 352 00:32:26,159 --> 00:32:33,279 streets intersect and when we drive in we know we have to slow down because you 353 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:37,360 can't take that culde-sac fast. So I'm not dismissing what the people on 354 00:32:35,679 --> 00:32:42,240 Malleet are experiencing. I'm just saying that it doesn't seem to be 355 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:46,919 chronic from the vantage point that that we have. So, thank you very much. 356 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:59,760 » Thank you. >> Hey, how are you? Uh Steve Stanfeld, 215 357 00:32:54,240 --> 00:33:05,679 Mallay Street. It's S Tan Fel. And um I just again I'm up here kind of making 358 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:10,880 sure that we really look at the speed bumps on Mallay Street. It's it's not a 359 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:17,120 wide street. We do have a lot of traffic that do come through there at certain 360 00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:21,919 times of the day. And um we do have a ton of walkers. Um I have a one and a 361 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:29,760 half year old that you know we're strolling around on that street every 362 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:34,720 day, at least three times a day. Um, so, um, to at least whatever we can do to 363 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:42,240 slow down the traffic, um, I'm in favor for, um, I don't know the results. I 364 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:46,559 don't know if the if the if the machine was out there at the right time of the 365 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:53,760 year, whether we got a lot of the high school activity on that survey or not, 366 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:59,039 but, um, I would certainly like to see us, you know, take another look at that. 367 00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:02,200 Thanks. >> Thank you. 368 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:13,119 » Okay. Is there any Oh, do you have public comment? Oh, please come on up. 369 00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:18,879 » Hi, I'm Katie D. Young, 190 Malay Street, and I just would like to 370 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:24,639 advocate for anything we can do to slow down traffic. If it's speed bumps, that 371 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:28,399 would be great. Um there are a lot of young families, a lot of new babies that 372 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:34,000 were just born in the last couple of years and it's really not safe. Uh there 373 00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:38,399 are a lot of workers that a lot of people during the day that go through 374 00:34:35,359 --> 00:34:44,240 really fast. The high school traffic is terrifying. Um we all know that we can't 375 00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:49,119 change the high school students. We could ask them to go slower, this and 376 00:34:45,839 --> 00:34:52,480 that, but I think we all know that they're probably not going to slow down. 377 00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:58,480 So, anything we could do to make it safer for our community would be greatly 378 00:34:55,040 --> 00:35:01,640 appreciated. Thank you. >> Thank you. 379 00:35:07,359 --> 00:35:15,440 Is there any more public comment on Malay or Vignia? 380 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:21,560 Okay, seeing none, I'm going to throw it back to the committee for any comments 381 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,560 or questions. 382 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:32,960 Do you guys mind sharing a little bit about what the ad hoc was for Malay? I 383 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:37,680 mean, I'm I'm assuming you just went over the report for 384 00:35:35,839 --> 00:35:41,680 the speed um speed tables. 385 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:45,800 Anything anything noteworthy for those that are here tonight? 386 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:56,079 Um it was essentially just the uh results from the speed surveys 387 00:35:54,000 --> 00:36:04,280 that we discussed. Um no real indepth discussion on plans 388 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,280 or anything like that. 389 00:36:07,359 --> 00:36:10,320 » So >> just for your discussion I'm just 390 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,440 pulling up the speed survey data for you guys now. 391 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:16,560 » What's that? I just pulling up the speed survey data 392 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:21,040 that was discussed at the ad hoc. This is attached to the agenda meeting. Um, 393 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:24,480 and it's not displayed on your computers if you'd like to use it for your 394 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:28,560 discussion. >> Just kind of tidbit a little bit off 395 00:36:25,839 --> 00:36:34,640 that. We did talk about the 20 mph speed limit uh proposed to in different 396 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:37,800 various parts of Soma, which I'm in favor of. 397 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:49,760 And then I can't remember um Frank's program with the vehicle data. Had we 398 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:55,680 applied that to this area as well or was it just the speed survey data we had? 399 00:36:52,720 --> 00:37:02,960 Maybe uh Frank could elaborate on that. >> Yeah, the uh the connected vehicle data 400 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:08,160 that I um have access to um really is was not definitive with regards regard 401 00:37:05,839 --> 00:37:13,359 to results. it didn't have a lot of vehicles primarily because of the 402 00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:17,520 anonymity. Um the anonym uh the process the data goes through to be anonymous 403 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:23,520 when vehicles are entering their home driveways or private roadways or things 404 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:28,880 like that. It truncates the data um which would be indicative that there is 405 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:34,800 maybe not a lot of cut through traffic that is of significant distance. Um, 406 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:39,359 it's just one of the ways. It's just some of the data doesn't show up because 407 00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:44,000 we don't take it from the way that somebody comes out of their driveway. We 408 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:49,359 we have an anonymization process to preserve privacy. Um, other roadways in 409 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:54,400 town, it's been fairly significant. Um, you'll see some of the results when we 410 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:59,760 review the 20 mph speed limits um and other speed limits in town, but on this 411 00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:04,960 roadway in particular, it wasn't viable. It did not produce any 412 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:08,280 statistically significant data. >> Thank you, Brick. 413 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:17,520 » So, I'm So, the people who are here tonight are saying speeding is 414 00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:25,040 significant on Malay, but the survey says otherwise. 415 00:38:21,839 --> 00:38:30,960 The times that I've been out there, and it's anecdotal, so there's I don't 416 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:36,000 see a lot of traffic. I can appreciate that high schoolers 417 00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:41,520 could could make traffic. I I even looked at that today. I was out there 418 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:47,119 today looking and I take the neighborhood 419 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:50,400 uh at at their word. It does I don't understand why a teenager would cut 420 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:55,359 through there because it doesn't seem like it's going anywhere. But that's 421 00:38:52,800 --> 00:39:00,560 again I don't live there. I'm not there 24 hours a day. 422 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:04,320 Um, the other thing I noticed about the street was 423 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:11,599 it has a lot of what I call the poor man speed bumps. It's really not very well 424 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:16,480 paved. Uh, and if it got paved, then that would certainly increase 425 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:22,480 traffic just by its own nature. I so how what with the measurement the traffic 426 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:28,640 you know the the traffic measurement the speed measurement versus citizens going 427 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:34,160 oh the traffic's horrible it speeds crazy how do we how do we sync those or 428 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:37,640 otherwise relate to that 429 00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:45,280 » one of the parameters that you can reflect on for the speed surveys one for 430 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:51,680 each direction is the the miles per hour that were indicated and 431 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:59,760 police's speed radar trailer was out there. They left it out there. We did 432 00:39:55,839 --> 00:40:05,040 not have anywhere to put our radar device because there's no telephone 433 00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:09,680 poles to catch one direction of travel. So even though this the police trailer 434 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:13,839 was out there, it wasn't on it was just sitting on the side of the road. But we 435 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:18,000 did attach one of our devices to it and we put another device on the other side 436 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:22,160 where there was a pole because of the trees and the location of the poles. We 437 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:25,680 couldn't just attach two devices to two poles. The devices were out there for 438 00:40:23,839 --> 00:40:30,400 three and a half days and recorded the speed during school of all vehicles that 439 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:35,200 went up and down Malay Street in both directions. 440 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:40,800 And the two the two speed limits average were 15 miles an hour and 16 miles an 441 00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:46,320 hour. And that everybody remembers when we were doing the um 442 00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:52,640 speed table location next to the Catholic cemetery on West Napa Street at 443 00:40:49,440 --> 00:41:00,240 5th. Those speeds were 30 to 32 miles an hour on average. These are 16 and 15. 444 00:40:58,319 --> 00:41:06,560 And so I understand that people are concerned 445 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:10,880 about cars driving too fast and I can accept that for people that live 446 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:15,440 there and walk there. But these are the numbers and hopefully they can help you 447 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:20,839 try to sift through it and the durations that we put the uh the devices out 448 00:41:17,839 --> 00:41:20,839 there. 449 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:30,640 » Sorry. >> So um 450 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:36,560 just couple of thoughts that I have. I think um the person who brought up the 451 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:41,280 methodology of the speed survey, I think there is some validity there, right? 452 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:46,240 With it being attached to a speed trailer, whether the device is on or not 453 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:49,200 still grabs your attention um and could affect the data. So, that's just one 454 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:54,800 thought I have. And then the other thought was um the fact that all the 455 00:41:53,280 --> 00:42:00,240 other streets that run the same direction in that neighborhood have 456 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:06,079 speed bumps. You know, it is something that definitely makes me want to take 457 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:11,280 into account the um desire to have uh speed bumps. And I'm trying to think of 458 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:17,440 the negatives that would come from it. It's not like we're talking about what 459 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:25,760 we did on East Napa and Fifth where it's a very welltraveled street. So, um, you 460 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:38,040 know, just trying to to balance the data versus what the community wants and, 461 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:38,040 um, the, you know, also putting in our 462 00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:47,280 documents that we use to help guide this stuff. So, little bit of a balancing act 463 00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:52,720 here because it doesn't truly meet the criteria, but you know, with almost 464 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:59,119 unanimous support and even the folks who are came here and spoke out against the 465 00:42:55,839 --> 00:43:05,599 closure, um, nobody spoke out against speed bumps. So, um, just kind of a 466 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:09,359 couple thoughts I had. >> Yeah, I'm going to piggy back off of 467 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:14,560 what Mark said. Um, pretty much same thing what Miss Phillips brought up 468 00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:21,040 about the the the methodology, but we created the the traffic calming handbook 469 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:25,280 as a guide, but not the end all beall. And in this case, you know, it's a guide 470 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:30,960 for us, it's a guide for the community. Um, 471 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:35,599 so based on the data, it says no to pretty much anything, but we're not data 472 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:39,599 driven alone. We're also very sympathetic to what the community wants. 473 00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:46,319 Now, I for one, I walk down Frier Creek and Mallay quite a bit. Um 474 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:51,359 I I've gone during school, after school, during the summer, and I haven't seen a 475 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:54,560 lot of issues. Um but that being and and it would support 476 00:43:53,040 --> 00:44:00,319 the data that I'm hearing tonight. However, the fact that it is a through 477 00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:04,000 street to Frier Creek and high schoolers do have a tendency to be high schoolers 478 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:09,040 sometimes and delivery drivers tend to be delivery drivers sometimes. I would 479 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:14,480 oppose closing it at that at the culde-sac where Frier Creek meets Malay. 480 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:19,520 I I I I don't see the need for that. But I would be even though the data doesn't 481 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:23,920 support it, I would be in support of a speed bump. I think the community, the 482 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:28,720 the folks that live on LA Street, you see it more than I do. I just walk 483 00:44:25,359 --> 00:44:33,599 through there every couple days. So, I'm of the opinion that a speed bump 484 00:44:31,839 --> 00:44:37,520 would be feasible and worth trying. So I guess my question would be can we 485 00:44:35,839 --> 00:44:43,400 install a temporary speed bump and see what the result would be and what and 486 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:43,400 more importantly what's the cost? 487 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:51,359 If the committee's done talking about this item certainly one of staff's tasks 488 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:57,119 for the next meeting would be to be able to look into this and either install 489 00:44:54,640 --> 00:45:02,040 something or bring back something for the committee to review at the next 490 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,040 meeting. 491 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:10,800 The the other thing I was wondering about kind of relative to what you were 492 00:45:08,319 --> 00:45:16,800 saying and it would be interesting to hear what you would find out traffic 493 00:45:13,359 --> 00:45:21,839 cushions versus a speed table versus a speed bump. I think those are all the 494 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:26,880 speed bumps that are there permanent as permanent can be uh because they're 495 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:30,880 piles of asphalt, you know. So, what other options? What other arrows are in 496 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,920 the quiver? >> Yeah. And the other thing, too, I just 497 00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:38,400 took a look on Google Earth and Clay and Nukem both have those speed bumps. Those 498 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:43,440 were put in prior to this committee being formed. And so, basically, what 499 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:48,800 sort of a an approval process they went through to install those, we we can't uh 500 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:55,760 elaborate on, but it's something that we could definitely look into. 501 00:45:51,760 --> 00:46:00,640 » Um, just opinion here. Um considering that uh the community has talked about 502 00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:05,599 Malay for I think this is what the second or third meeting I would I would 503 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:09,760 really like to push for us to make a decision on whatever we do next meeting 504 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:15,520 I think um to show that there's resolution um and would would like to 505 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:19,839 see the cost if if possible if we do if it's temporary permanent whatever what's 506 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:24,400 the the financial impact on the budget and what's the best option long term 507 00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:32,720 Um before I forget, I don't want to leave Vignia off because I know we're 508 00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:37,440 talking about Malay, but I know Vignia um is my comment with that would be as 509 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:41,040 long as the traffic engineer um and the fire department is as long as 510 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:45,680 everything's within code, I'm all for painting. Um you said that we've already 511 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:50,319 done we're starting some and I would just make the recommendation let's get 512 00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:53,200 that area up to code and as soon as we can. That would be my first 513 00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:58,640 recommendation. My second one, I agree with Shelby. Malay has been on the has 514 00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:01,839 been on a topic for a couple times now. Maybe we don't act on it tonight, but by 515 00:47:00,319 --> 00:47:06,480 next meeting, let's come up with a resolution. Let's have a couple options, 516 00:47:04,319 --> 00:47:10,319 speed bump, whatever it might be, and we can make a final resolution on our next 517 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:19,920 meeting. That's >> two items on the item on the barrier. 518 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:22,800 » Um I I would my thought is to consider them. I know they're two separate items, 519 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:26,480 but consider them one and the same, but I don't hear a lot of 520 00:47:25,359 --> 00:47:31,520 It doesn't sound like there's a lot of support for a full barrier. I would not 521 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:36,160 support that. I can say that right out the gate, but I'm definitely in favor of 522 00:47:33,599 --> 00:47:39,280 some type of some type of traffic calming measure for cars passing up and 523 00:47:38,319 --> 00:47:44,640 down Malay. >> It It seems we got three things here and 524 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:50,560 each one deserves its own vote and resolutions, right? So, do we 525 00:47:47,839 --> 00:47:59,040 do we have a barrier or not? Do do we direct staff to come up with 526 00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:02,640 uh research relative to speed bumps to satisfy 527 00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:06,880 or to attempt to slow down traffic on the street. And then the third one is it 528 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:15,359 feels it just even geographically it's completely separate which is V Street 529 00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:20,480 and and what to do about that. Um, so I I guess I'm making a recommendation we 530 00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:24,640 take each one one by one and go from there. 531 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:26,960 » Do we need any formal motion? I don't think 532 00:48:25,839 --> 00:48:29,760 » Yeah, I don't think we would need a formal motion for any of those three 533 00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:32,960 items other than just the staff is obviously very aware of our 534 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:40,720 recommendations and then we'll come to final uh resolution at next meeting. Can 535 00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:46,319 we um close out the because it's a separate line for the um barrier or the 536 00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:48,160 closing uh on Malay versus the speed bumps. 537 00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:53,760 » Yes, your recommendation. >> I would say that we should probably 538 00:48:49,599 --> 00:48:58,640 close that out um pending the speed bumps and things. If somebody 539 00:48:56,319 --> 00:49:02,880 wants to resubmit a traffic hazard reporting form at that point, then we 540 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:08,000 can do that. Um and then we'll leave that 541 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:13,359 um vignia. I I would agree with um Chair Lobinger that we need to get that done. 542 00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:20,160 Um and then that can come back just as a report out item. Um I forget the color 543 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:25,040 code on that Ashley. I apologize. Um but if hopefully by I believe it's November 544 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:29,680 2nd, if that gets completed, you guys can report out that that's completed. We 545 00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:35,760 can close it out at that point. Um and then come back with a couple of options 546 00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:40,720 for Malay um as far as traffic calming whether it be speed bumps, cushions, 547 00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:46,960 tables, whatever um Frank and the GHD folks might uh recommend and then uh we 548 00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:53,839 can make a decision at that point on uh November second. 549 00:49:49,280 --> 00:50:00,800 » So one one question about vignette. So I are are we suggesting then that there 550 00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:06,559 are two locations, one on the north that gets red curved as well as a significant 551 00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:10,160 portion on the south part by Third Street. 552 00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:13,119 Is that what >> um so I believe the recommendation is 553 00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:17,920 currently for the entirety of the north side to be red curbed and then a pocket 554 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:21,440 red curved on the south side to accommodate driveway access because it 555 00:50:19,839 --> 00:50:26,400 is quite narrow and the street is narrow. 556 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:32,800 » Yeah, it so then the only the I've got no problem with it. It makes 557 00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:36,480 sense to me but uh that's going to make parking there even 558 00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:41,040 tougher for the residents because they mostly houses with car garages if 559 00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:44,400 everybody's got two cars or more. >> Um we will also be noticing the 560 00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:49,119 residents prior to the work being done. So um whether that's done mail or just 561 00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:53,200 posting notices. Um we'll definitely be doing that to both the um residents as 562 00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:56,200 well as the property owners if that differs. 563 00:50:56,240 --> 00:51:01,760 » Okay. So I think it's Vignia up to code and try and make it a priority. What we 564 00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:07,839 can't direct public works but we can make a suggestion to to get Vignia up to 565 00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:11,920 code. And as for Malay, the two separate issues, I I don't think we see a need to 566 00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:16,240 close the street, but we would definitely like some wrecks on um on 567 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:21,839 traffic cal the next meeting. So, we can close this item out for good. All right, 568 00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:30,160 I think we're good. Anybody? All right, let's let's close this item out 569 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:35,520 and we will move on to item 4.2, to the review of the traffic circle on Third 570 00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:39,480 Street West at Perkins. And I will turn it back over to Ashley. 571 00:51:50,000 --> 00:52:00,079 Thank you, Chair Lobinger. So, today we have prepared a PowerPoint to go over 572 00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:05,200 this. Um, So we will be addressing the overall broader citywide bicycle and 573 00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:08,720 pedestrian improvements project as which of which the third street west bike 574 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:13,119 boulevard is a component of as well as the traffic circle element which is 575 00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:16,960 included on the bike boulevard. So just brief road map. Oh I think I have the 576 00:52:15,359 --> 00:52:21,119 wrong my bad. Let me turn that off for a 577 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:23,599 second. Sorry I have the wrong version. I'm 578 00:52:22,319 --> 00:52:27,400 gonna go ahead and put the right version up. Apologies. 579 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:36,200 What happens when you have too many versions of the same thing? 580 00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:46,280 Okay, this is right. 581 00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:53,640 Okay, perfect. Is it 582 00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,640 is not. 583 00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:16,319 Okay. Okay. So, just a brief road mapap for 584 00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:19,680 everyone. We're going to be going over all of the elements of the citywide 585 00:53:18,319 --> 00:53:23,440 bicycle and pedestrian improvements project. the relevant background 586 00:53:21,119 --> 00:53:27,839 information, public feedback perceived, just going over what a bike boulevard 587 00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:31,920 is, the third street west boulevard elements, the temporary traffic circle 588 00:53:30,319 --> 00:53:36,400 at Third Street West and Perkins, engineering analysis, renderings and 589 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:39,839 plans of the overall traffic calming elements that are proposed, 590 00:53:37,839 --> 00:53:43,760 alternatives, as well as lining out next steps, and then we'll be open for 591 00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:48,000 questions. So, this graphic we have here is a map 592 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:52,480 of overall project. This is supplied by Sonoma County Transit climate agencies. 593 00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:57,760 And so this gives a very good representation of the overall project. 594 00:53:55,119 --> 00:54:01,680 Um the temporary traffic circle is one element of a larger project. It's not a 595 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:05,200 standalone project that was initiated by the city. And so that is why we're going 596 00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:10,000 to go over um spend a few minutes going over all of the elements so that we can 597 00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:13,760 be totally on the same page about this. Um the citywide bicycle and pedestrian 598 00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:18,960 improvements project is also known as CIP6 and it's funded by the goma tax 599 00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:23,200 measure as a competitive project under the build bikeways and pathways program 600 00:54:21,599 --> 00:54:27,599 with the Sonoma County Transit and Climate Authorities administering the 601 00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:32,000 funds. The GOMA tax measure as a competitive project is funding 1.6 602 00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:37,040 million of a construction allocation. The city match is 227,000 for 603 00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:41,280 construction. Um, we are also fronting all of the costs for design. 604 00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:44,400 There are constraints to this funding. It can only be used for projects that 605 00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:48,880 are in the city's active transportation plan or comprehensive transportation 606 00:54:46,319 --> 00:54:53,920 plan. The city recently adopted an updated active transportation plan in 607 00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:59,200 January of 2025. The original purpose of this project when submitted in 2021 was 608 00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:02,559 to create a high quality bicycle and pedestrian network, provide a safe and 609 00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:07,280 well-maintained transportation infrastructure for pedestrians and 610 00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:11,920 bicyclists, and focus on strategies that >> I'd like to close that door. 611 00:55:09,839 --> 00:55:16,800 » Um that support a walkable community and prioritize funding for zero mission 612 00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:20,400 transportation strategies. So the full scope of this project includes elements 613 00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:25,040 that I'm going to call out on this map. So we've got a raised crosswalk at Nero 614 00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:29,119 Sarah Drive bike path crossing crossing improvements at Fifth Street West. Bike 615 00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:33,440 path crossing. Pedestrian upgrades at Fifth Street West and Studley Street. 616 00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:36,880 Bike path crossing improvements at Fifth Street First Street West. Bike path 617 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:40,720 crossing improvements at First Street East. Bike path crossing improvements at 618 00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:44,160 Second Street East. And then Seventh Street West and West Main Street 619 00:55:42,079 --> 00:55:50,319 crosswalk improvements as well as the Third Street West by Boulevard. 620 00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:55,520 So, the background and public process for this um we have one of the reasons 621 00:55:53,599 --> 00:56:00,480 that we're we pulled this item out. We did get a traffic hazard reporting form 622 00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:03,920 for this particular element. Um and again reiterating that the traffic 623 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:07,839 circle is not a standalone project but part of the larger project and the 624 00:56:06,319 --> 00:56:13,680 larger project originally had a different scope. This was presented at 625 00:56:10,319 --> 00:56:17,440 the October 7th, 2025 special traffic safety committee meeting as an amendment 626 00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:21,119 to the overall project. Because the funds are administered through Sonoma 627 00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:26,079 County Transit Agency, there was a process that we had to go through in 628 00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:29,280 order to amend the scope to remove the Sasserini school trail, which was 629 00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:33,280 originally what was included in the project scope. So, when we were looking 630 00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:36,960 for replacements, we did review the active transportation plan by 631 00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:41,440 facilities, multi-use paths, and crossing enhancements. And we had a few 632 00:56:39,359 --> 00:56:45,359 criteria that we were evaluating this against. The pro the selected project 633 00:56:43,839 --> 00:56:50,000 needed to have um no substantial rightway issues. Um not be a feasibility 634 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:53,520 or planning study as our um allocation was specifically for construction phase. 635 00:56:51,839 --> 00:56:59,520 So the end of the at the end of all this we needed to build something. Um and 636 00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:04,000 then the the proposed replacement for the project grant funding um also needed 637 00:57:02,319 --> 00:57:09,839 to be commensurate with the scope of the Sasserini trail project and we also 638 00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:16,240 wanted to avoid CALR rightway. The third street west bike boulevard is identified 639 00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:20,319 in the updated 2025 uh trans ATP um as project 191 and is a tier three 640 00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:25,200 priority. Tier one being the highest priority. This project is part of the 641 00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:29,280 Metropolitan Transportation Commission regional active transportation network. 642 00:57:27,359 --> 00:57:33,040 And the bike boulevard would connect the Frier Creek Trail which runs from Frier 643 00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:36,640 Creek Drive over West MacArthur Street and dead ends at Aurora Way to Third 644 00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:40,880 Street West and West Main Street at the entrance of General Blade's home where 645 00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:46,720 the Soma bike path picks up. Um there is not currently a north south connector to 646 00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:51,520 the two main bike trails which is why we um were looking at this. Additionally, 647 00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:55,760 in September of 2025, the also received a final complete streets safety 648 00:57:53,520 --> 00:58:00,319 assessment from UC Berkeley's safet program. Um, SAP had applied for this 649 00:57:58,079 --> 00:58:05,599 program in 2024 and were selected in early 2025. This included a consultant 650 00:58:03,119 --> 00:58:10,240 from the safe safet program visiting the city and exploring problem areas as well 651 00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:15,040 as a comprehensive review of all planning and policy documents in place 652 00:58:12,559 --> 00:58:19,440 including the ATP. The third street west bike boulevard was identified as an 653 00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:23,920 ideal location. Um while it was ranked year three in the ATP, we believe that 654 00:58:21,839 --> 00:58:28,960 this recommendation in the report rep prioritized it. This project had also 655 00:58:26,559 --> 00:58:33,200 met the criteria we laid out. It was not on Calrance rightway. It is not a 656 00:58:31,119 --> 00:58:37,680 planning or feasibility project and it is a commensurate alternative to the 657 00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:41,760 Saster School Trail. There were no significant rightway issues that could 658 00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:47,359 potentially delay this process. So as part of switching this out, this 659 00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:51,520 included several county level meetings. So, we brought this to the special 660 00:58:48,799 --> 00:58:56,000 October meeting for traffic safety. We then brought it again to the technical 661 00:58:53,359 --> 00:59:00,400 advisory committee meeting on October 23rd. Um the citizens advisory committee 662 00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:03,920 meeting on October 27th and then again final board approval for Sonoma County 663 00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:08,640 Transit Agency board approval on December 8th, 2025. Um it was again 664 00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:13,119 brought back to the traffic safety meeting February as a report out and 665 00:59:10,319 --> 00:59:17,040 then May as an update with the traffic circle. 666 00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:20,720 Um and then it was also brought to city council on April 15th as part of a 667 00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:24,799 contract amendment with GHD, our design engineers. And then um after that the 668 00:59:23,359 --> 00:59:33,119 the temporary traffic circle installation was completed on July 9th. 669 00:59:29,599 --> 00:59:38,480 Public feedback received um the majority of the feedback we have gotten has been 670 00:59:36,319 --> 00:59:42,319 um kind of contained within these three bullet points. safety and driver 671 00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:46,960 behavior, vehicle access and maneuverability, as well as our overall 672 00:59:44,799 --> 00:59:51,440 public outreach process as it relates to this temporary traffic circle. 673 00:59:49,839 --> 00:59:56,000 Um the uh we have also received positive uh 674 00:59:54,559 --> 00:59:59,440 supportive feedback. They've included support for additional traffic calming 675 00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:02,480 on Third Street West. Um residents reporting that they feel more 676 01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:05,920 comfortable walking on uh or bicycling with children along the corridor. Um and 677 01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:09,520 interest from residents in other neighborhoods and similar traffic 678 01:00:07,119 --> 01:00:12,480 calming treatments. Um the third street west bike boulevard and its elements 679 01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:16,480 were considered through multiple publicly noticed meetings as we just 680 01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:20,480 laid out and as the project uh progressed through planning, funding and 681 01:00:18,079 --> 01:00:24,160 design. The project has also moved on a relatively expedited schedule associated 682 01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:28,400 with grant funding design and anticipated construction timelines. Um 683 01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:32,319 we addressed this I think at a couple other meetings but as you know our 684 01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:36,160 construction allocation with SCTCA we are eligible to draw down from that this 685 01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:39,440 fiscal year which essentially means we need to get this project out to bid. And 686 01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:43,680 so that was part of why we had a criteria for evaluating the overall 687 01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:47,280 replacements for the Sasarini school trail. Essentially, were we going to be 688 01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:51,599 able to do something that was going to accommodate this schedule as well as 689 01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:55,680 getting it through all of the publicly noticed meetings as well. 690 01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:59,359 Um, feedback received following the installation of traffic's traffic circle 691 01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:02,480 indicates that a number of nearby residents and other community members 692 01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:06,640 did not feel that they had sufficient awareness of proposed improvement or the 693 01:01:04,559 --> 01:01:11,119 opportunity to provide input before the temporary installation had occurred. We 694 01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:14,640 recognize this concern and while the project proceeded through the applicable 695 01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:17,680 public meeting and approval processes, the response to the temporary 696 01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:20,960 installation demonstrates the value of a more direct project specific 697 01:01:19,359 --> 01:01:24,720 communication when introducing transportation treatments that may be 698 01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:28,240 unfamiliar to the community. And we will incorporate lessons from this experience 699 01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:34,319 into outreach for future transportation projects. 700 01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:38,079 And moving on, what is a bike boulevard? Um the overall bike boulevard is a 701 01:01:36,799 --> 01:01:42,319 street designed to prioritize non-vehicle travel while maintaining 702 01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:46,480 local vehicle access. The goal would be to um introduce traffic calming measures 703 01:01:44,559 --> 01:01:51,119 to cultivate a lower stress environment for people who are walking, biking, and 704 01:01:48,559 --> 01:01:57,119 rolling down that street. The it is a shared facility. So there are no shared 705 01:01:53,920 --> 01:02:02,400 bike lanes. It um and in order if we did want to accommodate bike lanes, it would 706 01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:07,040 result in a significant loss of parking. So, we wanted to prioritize that, which 707 01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:10,640 is part of why we went um for a bike boulevard. 708 01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:13,520 Um this again fits with the overall theme of the project, which was to 709 01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:16,400 create a high quality bicycle and pedestrian network, provide a safe and 710 01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:20,400 well-maintained transportation infrastructure for pedestrians and bike 711 01:02:18,319 --> 01:02:23,760 bicyclists, and focus on strategies that support a walkable community, and 712 01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:28,799 prioritize funding for zero emission strategies. Um bike boulevards are also 713 01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:33,440 more ideal on a street with a lower average daily traffic volume. We're 714 01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:38,160 estimating Third Street West is probably about under 2,000 average daily traffic. 715 01:02:36,319 --> 01:02:42,000 Um, so this, you know, varies. A comparison would be West Bane, which is 716 01:02:39,839 --> 01:02:47,440 in, you know, 10,000 to 15,000 average daily traffic. West Napa is probably 717 01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:51,839 around two 20,000. Um, and so that was also taken into consideration with that 718 01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:56,480 selection. So, we are also going to go over all of 719 01:02:54,079 --> 01:03:00,640 the traffic calming elements that are in the Third Street West Bike Boulevard. 720 01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:04,640 This is what was currently approved under the special October 7th traffic 721 01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:09,359 safety committee meeting and has been approved by Snow County Transit Agency. 722 01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:13,520 So this includes um painted curb extensions on Third Street West up to 723 01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:17,359 West Napa Street. Painted and curb extensions. Um these are what we have 724 01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:21,520 also installed on West Bain Street. So residents should be relatively familiar 725 01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:24,720 with this traffic calming element. Um speed cushions on Third Street West 726 01:03:23,039 --> 01:03:28,559 between Westbane Street and West Napa Street. Speed cushions on Third Street 727 01:03:26,559 --> 01:03:32,319 West between West Napa and Robinson Street. Traffic Circle at the 728 01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:36,160 intersection of Perkins Street and Third Street West. Painted curb extensions, 729 01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:40,160 new crosswalks, and reversing straw control from Third Street West where it 730 01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:43,920 currently is to the proposed on Andre Street. And then painted curb 731 01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:46,720 extensions, new crosswalks and reversing stall control on Third Street West, 732 01:03:45,359 --> 01:03:51,200 where currently is to Benton Court Street, which is proposed. 733 01:03:49,039 --> 01:03:57,119 So all of this is supposed to work together in tandem to create an overall 734 01:03:54,079 --> 01:04:02,760 traffic calming out feel vibe for this street in order for it to be a bike 735 01:03:59,039 --> 01:04:02,760 boulevard shared facility. 736 01:04:04,079 --> 01:04:11,599 So, the temporary Third Street West um and Perkins Street traffic circle. Um we 737 01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:15,119 did this temporary installation to evaluate how the intersection functions 738 01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:19,440 under everyday conditions while the project team finalizes the permanent 739 01:04:17,119 --> 01:04:22,640 design. During this period, city staff, project engineers, public safety 740 01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:26,640 personnel, and community all had an opportunity to experience the 741 01:04:24,079 --> 01:04:31,200 intersection, and those observations are being evaluated alongside engineering 742 01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:37,839 considerations to help inform the final design. The proposed um permanent 743 01:04:35,839 --> 01:04:41,920 installation does differ slightly from the temporary traffic circle in that it 744 01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:45,920 is going to be mountable, and we'll go over that with the AI renderings later. 745 01:04:44,559 --> 01:04:50,480 Um, and I want to preface that though they're AI rendering, so this is not um 746 01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:54,640 supposed to give you an idea of what it's supposed to be like. Um, and then 747 01:04:52,319 --> 01:04:59,119 also just to clarify the roundabout versus a traffic circle. Roundabouts are 748 01:04:57,039 --> 01:05:03,200 very heavily uti utilized in high congestion areas. An example is um what 749 01:05:01,359 --> 01:05:09,599 we have outside of the valley on Arnold Drive and Boyce Boulevard or what we 750 01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:15,280 also are the SCTCA and um CALR recently installed on 121 and 116. They are built 751 01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:19,280 to convey um high volumes of vehicles and there are accommodations for that 752 01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:23,200 like locating crosswalks. The traffic circles exhibit a similar stop control 753 01:05:21,039 --> 01:05:27,440 to a four-way stop and it's not meant to alleviate congestion. I just want want 754 01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:31,039 to highlight that because um a lot some of the public feedback is also kind of 755 01:05:29,039 --> 01:05:34,480 questioning the placement for this and citing some higher volume streets and so 756 01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:39,720 just want to clarify the difference between the traffic circle and the 757 01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:39,720 roundabout. 758 01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:48,400 So the engineering analysis um we did surveys before installation and after 759 01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:53,280 installation. The temporary traffic circle is showing that 760 01:05:50,799 --> 01:05:57,520 vehicles are slowing down. The 85th percentile dropped from 24 miles an hour 761 01:05:55,760 --> 01:06:01,200 to 19 miles per hour. It's about a 5 mile per hour drop which is not 762 01:05:58,799 --> 01:06:06,559 insignificant. Um the highest recorded speed dropped from 43 miles an hour to 763 01:06:03,119 --> 01:06:10,559 32 miles an hour. Um and so this data al shows that it is meeting the traffic 764 01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:15,119 caling goal. Um, but the permanent design should address how the 765 01:06:12,319 --> 01:06:20,559 intersection functions for all users. So speed is not the only metric we're going 766 01:06:16,799 --> 01:06:25,520 to be using to um review this and qualify whether or not it's successful. 767 01:06:24,319 --> 01:06:29,839 So again, we're just going to go through brief roadmap refresher. We This is um 768 01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:33,119 one of my lengthier presentations. So, just want to go over um what we've 769 01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:37,920 currently covered, which are the project elements, background information, public 770 01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:41,760 feedback received, um what a bike boulevard is, and the bike elements that 771 01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:45,440 are elements that are included in the third street west bike boulevard. Now, 772 01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:50,799 we're going to move forward through the renderings, plans that we currently 773 01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:55,440 have, possible alternatives, and next steps. 774 01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:59,680 So, this is the AI rendering that um chat GPT was super helpful in helping me 775 01:06:57,839 --> 01:07:04,480 out with this. Um I Just want to have super disclaimer on this that the sign 776 01:07:01,359 --> 01:07:09,119 is not to plan, but this was this was put together to give the traffic 777 01:07:06,319 --> 01:07:12,880 committee and um residents an idea of what the permanent is going to look like 778 01:07:10,799 --> 01:07:17,680 based on the plan set that we received from the project team. Um it is going to 779 01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:22,319 be mountable. It does definitely differ from the uh temporary installation. The 780 01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:26,160 temporary installation is not mountable. that can cause problems for you know it 781 01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:29,760 can appear that it cause problems with larger vehicles because you they would 782 01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:32,640 be able to go over this in the permanent. So just want to highlight 783 01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:37,520 that that there is a difference between what's currently installed and this AI 784 01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:40,839 rendering which also just take it with a grain of salt. 785 01:07:41,119 --> 01:07:47,680 These are the traffic circle plans that we received from GHD as part of our 786 01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:52,240 overall plan set. And then I just also want to highlight included in the agenda 787 01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:56,400 item are the plan set for the entire bike boulevard. Um and so we are going 788 01:07:54,720 --> 01:08:01,119 to call out element snippets of this but if you want a whole review of that that 789 01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:04,240 is included in your agenda packet as an attachment in addition to the traffic 790 01:08:03,039 --> 01:08:07,520 hazard reporting form that was submitted. 791 01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:13,039 This goes over all of the elements that we have here. And I do want to highlight 792 01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:16,960 that we have red curve here. Um the loss of parking was noted. Um, but also just 793 01:08:15,359 --> 01:08:22,000 to highlight under the daylighting law AB413, there is no parking within 20 ft 794 01:08:19,839 --> 01:08:26,400 of the crosswalk marked or unmarked. We did a presentation for traffic safety in 795 01:08:24,159 --> 01:08:33,040 August of 24. This is what led to the midblock crossings on the plaza. So, um, 796 01:08:29,679 --> 01:08:38,000 parking that close to the crosswalk is, um, citable for ticketable and 797 01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:41,520 enforceable with or without the red curve. Um, but for the plans do call it 798 01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:47,600 the red curve here. I just wanted to highlight that um, While this is 799 01:08:44,319 --> 01:08:53,839 installed on the traffic circle plans, um residents actually should not be 800 01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:58,719 parking there because it's not. And then um here's another AI rendering 801 01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:02,400 of speed cushions. Again, this is not exactly to plan. This is just to give 802 01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:06,679 residents, um kind of an idea or a feel of what the proposed improvement is. 803 01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:14,960 And then we have that those proposed currently in two different sections. We 804 01:09:12,239 --> 01:09:19,040 have those on Third Street West, between Spain Street and Napa Street, and then 805 01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:23,640 between Banchero and Robinson currently in those snippets of the plants that are 806 01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:23,640 included. 807 01:09:23,759 --> 01:09:31,839 These are the speed cushion details and the markings leading up to the speed 808 01:09:29,440 --> 01:09:35,400 cushions. Currently, they are modular rubber speed cushions. 809 01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:41,759 The intersection improvements, we also discussed the painted bullouts on Third 810 01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:48,279 Street West at West Napa, as well as West Andreas. This shows painted 811 01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:48,279 crosswalks and reverse stop control. 812 01:09:48,719 --> 01:09:53,480 And pretty much the same thing here on Bon Court. 813 01:09:55,040 --> 01:10:01,760 So alternatives to consider um would be additional speed cushions 814 01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:06,080 throughout the roadway. So the current proposal includes two. So, we would be 815 01:10:03,679 --> 01:10:10,480 adding to that additional stop sign possibly at Perkins Third Street West, a 816 01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:14,800 four-way stop at Andrex, four-way stop at Benton Court. Um, right now we're 817 01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:19,520 reversing the the proposal includes reversing the um the stop control, which 818 01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:23,600 is essentially going to create a throughway for West or Third Street 819 01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:28,480 West. So, that's part of why implementing the traffic circle and 820 01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:32,159 evaluating all of it as a whole um is important. But there are alternatives 821 01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:36,560 that can um provide a similar traffic calming effect. Um various other traffic 822 01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:40,320 caling elements, we can do ballards at the intersection improvements, painted 823 01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:44,880 pullouts or um center lines driving which um can all be traffic caling 824 01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:49,199 elements. And then next steps for our project u 825 01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:52,960 we'll re reevaluate the third street west bike boulevard project elements 826 01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:56,960 following traffic safety committee and community feedback incorporate lessons 827 01:10:55,280 --> 01:11:02,960 learned and inform possible design alternatives. revise with the the design 828 01:10:59,679 --> 01:11:06,239 with project engineers if needed and um get the project out to bid as soon as 829 01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:11,600 design is finalized. The temporary traffic circle is going to be removed um 830 01:11:09,440 --> 01:11:15,199 soon. The idea behind the installation was that it's only going to be up until 831 01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:19,280 the slurry seal project started as part of our capital projects update. we do go 832 01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:23,280 over um just kind of an overview schedule of that work is anticipated to 833 01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:28,719 start in the next few weeks and so we the traffic circle is going to come out 834 01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:33,280 um shortly and so um just want to highlight that that was addressed in the 835 01:11:30,480 --> 01:11:38,320 initial plan but um just to reiterate the plan is for that to be removed 836 01:11:36,239 --> 01:11:41,320 as per the plan that was lined out in May 837 01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:44,600 question. 838 01:11:45,199 --> 01:11:52,560 Thank you, Ashley. Um I have a 839 01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:57,520 well at least one, not more, but um you mentioned uh Andrew and Bettton Court. 840 01:11:54,880 --> 01:12:00,719 The uh part of the bike boulevard would be addressing those intersections as 841 01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:05,679 well. Third West at Andrew and Bettin Court. Um there's been suggestions of 842 01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:11,520 four-way stops, reversing the stops, or maybe leaving it alone. Is we haven't 843 01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:15,040 landed on anything yet, have we? Or are we leaning towards switching the stop 844 01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:20,000 signs? In other words, and people driving on Andrew and Bettton Court 845 01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:26,400 would stop, Third Street would not. >> Yeah. And in the current plans, 846 01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:32,159 which include the traffic circle, reversing stop control from third to the 847 01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:35,280 side from the side streets to third was the plan. 848 01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:40,080 » Now, if we take the traffic circle away, we would look at the intersections again 849 01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:46,560 in conjunction with losing the ability to slow cars down at that intersection. 850 01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:52,000 And so effectively, Benton Court and Andros are both 851 01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:56,239 four-way stops when you take the dips into consideration. Cars traveling east 852 01:12:54,480 --> 01:13:01,239 west have to really slam on their brakes or they're going to hit their oil pan. 853 01:12:58,239 --> 01:13:01,239 So 854 01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:09,920 » basically, um, putting stop signs out there will 855 01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:14,719 probably have little effect on the east west traffic. And so if we turn it into 856 01:13:12,719 --> 01:13:20,960 a four-way stop, one of the benefits of doing that is it gives bicycles 857 01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:26,000 basically as much priority as cars because as you come up to a stop sign, 858 01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:30,719 the car comes up to a stop sign, they're both going to recognize each other's 859 01:13:27,440 --> 01:13:36,080 position and proceed properly. Whereas if you only have two-way stop control 860 01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:39,600 there, it would it could be uh a a little pro semi-proatic for somebody on 861 01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:43,600 a bicycle. So, 862 01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:49,120 it all needs to be looked at in conjunction. And once again, um you 863 01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:54,000 know, staff's presentation's concluded and I just want to emphasize that one of 864 01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:59,440 the goals of the meeting tonight is to and Ashley's presentation appropriately 865 01:13:56,560 --> 01:14:03,840 framed that. It's to let the traffic committee know that there are 866 01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:08,960 alternatives that can be considered tonight. And we're going to be promoting 867 01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:14,560 discussion and feedback. And feedback to staff is what we're hoping to get in the 868 01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:22,120 form of taking all the results of what's talked about here tonight and um having 869 01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:22,120 a a good discussion about it. 870 01:14:23,199 --> 01:14:28,280 » Any any other uh questions from the committee? 871 01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:38,719 » I just just a point of clarification. So this the money from the grant has to be 872 01:14:35,679 --> 01:14:42,239 spent before the end of the year. >> No, that the money does not need to be 873 01:14:40,719 --> 01:14:45,760 spent before the end of the year, but we do want to be mindful about how we move 874 01:14:44,239 --> 01:14:51,360 this project forward because it's only one element of the overall project. Um, 875 01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:58,080 and it's also takes a very considerable amount of time to process an amendment 876 01:14:54,560 --> 01:15:02,320 to the scope. Um, so while the money doesn't necessarily need to be expended 877 01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:08,239 this year, we do have a construction allocation this year and we would have 878 01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:12,960 to justify not moving forward with that with Sonoma County Transit Agency and it 879 01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:18,159 could possibly be a major grant amendment and reflect the timing and 880 01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:23,360 process it took to remove the Sasarini school trail and add this in. So, no, we 881 01:15:21,679 --> 01:15:26,239 don't have to spend it all this year. We don't anticipate that we're going to 882 01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:31,280 spend it all this year. It's a big project. Um almost 1.8 million when you 883 01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:35,199 consider the city match. However, we do have to timing into consideration. Um, 884 01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:40,159 we do have all of the appropriate paperwork filed with Sonoma County 885 01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:45,760 Transit Agency to draw down now. >> Okay. So, sorry, just want to clarify 886 01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:52,000 this too. So, if if an amendment is made, is that like what what defines 887 01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:54,080 that? Can we make small changes here or do you have to bring everything that we 888 01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:59,679 are >> we have? Yes. Um, so it is a competitive 889 01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:03,120 Let me just go back here. So, there's two different types of amendments that 890 01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:06,320 you can make to this project. A major amendment, which is what we did with the 891 01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:09,679 Third Street West Bike Boulevard, removing the Sasarini School Trail, 892 01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:14,080 adding in the Third Street West Bike Boulevard, or a minor amendment. Minor 893 01:16:12,159 --> 01:16:17,679 amendments do not have to go through the whole process. Unfortunately, that is 894 01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:22,560 not up to us. That's up to Snow County Transit Agency as the administration of 895 01:16:20,239 --> 01:16:27,920 the funds. The reason that the pol the the policy is um was is implemented is 896 01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:32,400 because this is a competitive project and so we submitted all of this in 2021 897 01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:37,840 and funds were selected based on the project um that was selected 898 01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:43,760 essentially. And so um Sonoma County Transit Agency is implementing this in 899 01:16:39,679 --> 01:16:48,320 order to make sure that the projects um that the board has some say over the the 900 01:16:46,159 --> 01:16:54,159 major amendments. So the timeline for a major amendment is really kind of 901 01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:59,040 dependent on one rescoping two um the process. So the process um depending on 902 01:16:56,719 --> 01:17:03,040 if it's major which is again to county transit agency could either be approval 903 01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:07,040 at the technical advisory committee meeting which happens monthly or if it's 904 01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:11,520 a major amendment would follow the same process as what we currently did which 905 01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:18,159 is three um publicly noticed meetings and I just also want to highlight that 906 01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:23,360 we would not um bring an amendment for um a fully designed project if it didn't 907 01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:27,760 get approved. Right? So that's part of it needs to be able to be put back on 908 01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:31,840 track if that makes sense. They're approving the concept and we're not 909 01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:38,600 going to approve a contract amendment for a design if the amendment isn't 910 01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:38,600 approved by the administering agency. 911 01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:49,360 » So I do have a question, maybe you've covered it and I just missed it. If the 912 01:17:45,679 --> 01:17:55,520 traffic circle is on the dock to be potentially taken out, how does that 913 01:17:52,159 --> 01:17:59,920 impact the rest of the plan since it's part of a larger 914 01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:02,560 scope? Is there a domino effects like it's just going to start to affect 915 01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:07,679 everything? >> No. Um, so this it was approved as this 916 01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:11,440 particular project element. Um, so we would bring the update to Sonoma County 917 01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:14,880 Transit Agency and given that we would have a replacement traffic calming 918 01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:18,800 effect whether that's four-way stop signs or 919 01:18:16,480 --> 01:18:22,400 what have you. Um hopefully they would treat that as a um a minor amendment 920 01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:26,080 which I have every faith that they would because we're not removing the bike 921 01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:30,880 boulevard. We're not drastically changing the project. Um but we are 922 01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:36,760 removing a traffic element element would have to replace it with something that 923 01:18:32,159 --> 01:18:36,760 could accommodate commensurate results. 924 01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:46,480 So, if I'm hearing you correctly and I that this the the traffic circle would 925 01:18:44,239 --> 01:18:49,040 we would think would be treated as a minor amendment. So, it wouldn't need to 926 01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:53,679 go through the whole process. It sounds like major amendments are the entire 927 01:18:51,199 --> 01:18:59,360 projects themselves for the most part. I'm sure there are plenty of major 928 01:18:55,679 --> 01:19:02,960 amendments in larger projects. So, as a committee tonight, we're going to be we 929 01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:08,239 it sounds like we're going to be exploring other options outside of a 930 01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:14,000 traffic circle, but knowing that we're we assuming it's a 931 01:19:11,679 --> 01:19:20,159 minor amendment, we wouldn't have to make a recommendation tonight. 932 01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:24,400 » Correct. The action item that is listed on the agenda item is specifically to 933 01:19:22,480 --> 01:19:30,000 elicit feedback. We'll incorporate the feedback into the design and then move 934 01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:33,840 forward appropriately. Um, so everything would need to be vetted through the 935 01:19:31,440 --> 01:19:38,239 project engineer as well as the traffic engineer which are both represented by 936 01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:41,840 GHD but are different people. I also want to highlight that the project 937 01:19:39,679 --> 01:19:48,640 engineer is on Zoom currently and is available for questions. 938 01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:57,520 » Awesome. Um, Frank, would you be willing to just kind of give us an overview of 939 01:19:54,719 --> 01:20:07,199 or maybe the project engineers the better person. But if we were to look at 940 01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:13,840 removing the traffic circle as a component of the overall plan, 941 01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:17,760 what the downstream effects are and what specifically 942 01:20:15,440 --> 01:20:24,400 you would recommend as far as efficacy of slowing traffic 943 01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:30,320 uh might be included in that. So whether that be more cushions or you know things 944 01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:34,640 like that. Do we put the paddles in the middle of the road, four-way stops, you 945 01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:39,920 know, all that. Just kind of your vision with this being in your wheelhouse of 946 01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:47,360 take that component away. What the rest of the project might look like to still 947 01:20:44,239 --> 01:20:52,960 have the same efficacy of slowing uh vehicular traffic. 948 01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:58,080 » Yeah. Yeah. Excellent. Um and I will say that uh while the project engineer is on 949 01:20:55,679 --> 01:21:03,280 the phone, we have conversed on this as well to be able to give you some some 950 01:21:00,239 --> 01:21:08,640 thoughts. Um so the the entirety of the project as as Ashley had indicated from 951 01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:12,320 Spain Street down to um Benton Court, actually a little further than Benton 952 01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:17,440 Court, the next block. Um those elements, the the one that really was 953 01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:22,320 kind of critical was the the traffic circle, right? it had a a big influence 954 01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:28,159 especially as we were trying to change the condition at Andrix and Benton Court 955 01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:38,320 to accommodate that that directional change in the stop signs. Right. So um 956 01:21:31,440 --> 01:21:43,040 north of the traffic or north of uh uh u the traffic circle location 957 01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:47,440 » Perkins. Thank you. I was just drawing a complete blank. I had the other two in 958 01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:53,840 my head. uh north of Perkins, uh there's already two, as identified, two speed 959 01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:57,600 hump arrays up in that portion. Um given the removal of the traffic circle, we 960 01:21:55,679 --> 01:22:04,000 probably given the distance between Perkins and Napa, we'd probably put 961 01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:10,159 another speed hump in that section, equally spacing those between Third 962 01:22:06,480 --> 01:22:14,800 Street or Perkins and Napa. I think that will probably help slow the same way 963 01:22:12,719 --> 01:22:19,840 that we saw the reduction in speeds with the third street traffic circle. We saw 964 01:22:16,719 --> 01:22:24,960 that 5 mph reduction, leaving that speed bump so far away, I'd go ahead and add 965 01:22:22,239 --> 01:22:29,280 an additional one. And then with regard the uh both the two-way stop 966 01:22:27,440 --> 01:22:34,560 intersections, Andrex and Perkins, reversing those stop signs would not be 967 01:22:31,199 --> 01:22:39,600 appropriate given not having the speed reductions that we were anticipating. 968 01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:44,320 And as Ashley indicated, um, all of the elements people do slow having the 969 01:22:42,480 --> 01:22:50,639 always stop at that intersection. And I did say, um, again, we've had many of 970 01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:55,199 conversations about stop stop warrants. Um, there is addition and when that's 971 01:22:52,480 --> 01:23:00,719 engineering judgment for the sanctity of the project and reversing given the 972 01:22:58,159 --> 01:23:05,280 speeds that Andrex has because of the swale and the uh, it does cause a little 973 01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:09,120 bit of indecision, right? cars are slowing where they would typically go 974 01:23:06,639 --> 01:23:12,320 through that intersection at speed whatever that posted speed is. They 975 01:23:10,719 --> 01:23:16,960 would be going through there and that would allow more gaps. Having everybody 976 01:23:14,480 --> 01:23:21,440 slow doesn't create the adequate gaps that we would like for a bike boulevard. 977 01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:25,840 So that's where I am with the allway stop condition. It gives not only 978 01:23:23,679 --> 01:23:30,400 cyclists but everybody approaching that intersection the same bite at the apple 979 01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:36,880 to cross it. um facilitating the bike traffic is the primary um recommend or 980 01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:43,440 opportunity that exists. Um if you chose not to do those either changing the stop 981 01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:48,239 signs to an all-way stop or even leaving them the way they are, that would again 982 01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:54,880 not be as promoting of the bike boulevard. Um but probably look to try 983 01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:59,280 and do some additional speed humps probably in the block south of Herkins 984 01:23:57,199 --> 01:24:03,120 and then the south of Benton Court as well. We just we need to get those 985 01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:09,120 speeds down and the traffic circle did that accommodate it, but again we we've 986 01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:12,880 heard what what the concerns are. So we would look towards additional traffic 987 01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:18,480 calming in the way of speed humps. the allway stop really in my opinion kind of 988 01:24:16,480 --> 01:24:23,760 does everything we're looking for those intersections um the additional speed 989 01:24:20,719 --> 01:24:27,800 hump does help um so that kind of pulls it together um 990 01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:33,600 Mike what am I forgetting >> so just to clarify I think what I'm 991 01:24:31,440 --> 01:24:37,760 hearing is that one of the potential recommendations 992 01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:43,199 to circumvent the removal of the traffic circle and come up with commensurate 993 01:24:40,719 --> 01:24:48,080 speedcomming measures ers would be to have four-way stop control potentially 994 01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:54,719 at Benton Court and four-way stop control at Andros in addition to a speed 995 01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:58,639 bump north of Perkins so that we're dividing those three speed bumps that 996 01:24:56,159 --> 01:25:02,560 are currently shown on the project plans in three equal segments more or less. 997 01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:07,600 » Yeah, it'd probably be somewhere in the vicinity of Vigna. um just if you look 998 01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:11,760 at that distance and the reason is that the same thing happens between Napa and 999 01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:16,000 West Spain is they're not full intersections. So T intersections do not 1000 01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:19,679 have as much of an impact on traffic, people going all the way across and so 1001 01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:24,239 we have that along the shopping center. So Third Street from Napa down to 1002 01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:29,440 Perkins. It's there's three T intersections, but we would equally put 1003 01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:33,840 in those speed humps in that area there as well between Perkins and 1004 01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:38,320 » and that would be significantly less expensive I would imagine 1005 01:25:36,719 --> 01:25:42,960 like four-way stop signs, things like that in replacement, which is probably 1006 01:25:40,639 --> 01:25:46,320 good. Reallocate this money somewhere else. 1007 01:25:43,679 --> 01:25:50,639 » Okay. Just one quick question. We were talking about four-way stops at Benton 1008 01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:55,120 Court, uh, Andrew, and additional speed humps or speed cushion. Did you would 1009 01:25:53,360 --> 01:26:00,159 there also be a four-way at Perkins? Just just to be clear, 1010 01:25:56,639 --> 01:26:04,480 » no. No. Okay. >> Um, I'm just I'm just curious with the 1011 01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:10,320 recent feedback from what's currently happened, do we have a report from PD, 1012 01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:13,320 um, chief cutting or fire on recommendations? 1013 01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:22,320 I don't technically have a recommendation. We received a lot of the 1014 01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:26,880 same uh feedback that I think you guys have seen. Uh we've spent a good bit of 1015 01:26:24,639 --> 01:26:32,719 time out there observing the the roundabout temporary roundabout that's 1016 01:26:28,639 --> 01:26:37,760 in there now. Um and we've seen some um confused driving is what I would say. 1017 01:26:34,719 --> 01:26:41,120 When we're present, the driving is is very different when we're present 1018 01:26:39,199 --> 01:26:44,719 because we're in marked cars. But um I've watched it in unmarked car as well 1019 01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:48,800 and I've seen the same circumstances. I don't have a a recommendation for what 1020 01:26:46,480 --> 01:26:51,760 the best is. I think I would support what uh what you've heard here tonight. 1021 01:26:50,639 --> 01:26:54,760 I think those are probably the best ideas. 1022 01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:08,960 » A question about the um the final uh traffic circle which you had the 1023 01:27:04,159 --> 01:27:13,600 picture of. How is that different or how will conceivably will it be different 1024 01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:19,840 than what is there now? I understand one of the things is that it's going to be 1025 01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:24,360 able to be passed driven over and was so maybe you could elaborate on that a 1026 01:27:21,199 --> 01:27:24,360 little bit. 1027 01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:30,560 » The temporary install is um using temporary material. So it was in it was 1028 01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:34,960 installed with the intention to be removed. That was the what we had 1029 01:27:32,480 --> 01:27:40,159 initially lined out and that was the goal in mind with material selected. So 1030 01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:46,400 the m the what's currently out there you cannot drive over. There are like um 1031 01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:52,320 sign poles basically um is essentially what they are which 1032 01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:56,239 differs from the permanent plan which is to create something mountable. Um, so 1033 01:27:54,480 --> 01:28:00,480 you you cannot currently drive over what is installed out there. And again, that 1034 01:27:58,719 --> 01:28:05,440 is because it was always meant to be temporary. It was not meant to be 1035 01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:09,440 permanent. The idea was to give people a chance to weigh in and let us know what 1036 01:28:08,159 --> 01:28:16,159 they think. And I think they certainly have. Um, but that's why it differs from 1037 01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:22,159 the permanent. >> And I mean, is that is that part of what 1038 01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:26,000 the problem is right now is that it is a temporary and people 1039 01:28:24,159 --> 01:28:30,080 are facing it and that you know with these challenges. 1040 01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:36,239 » Yeah, that could be leading to a little bit of the issue with the bigger trucks 1041 01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:41,360 and this will the temporary will be down very shortly and so it won't be a 1042 01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:48,239 problem for long but the permanent would not have that issue. 1043 01:28:43,679 --> 01:28:52,719 So, I was out there today and saw I've seen the videos. 1044 01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:57,440 I appreciate that. I was there for more than an hour and 1045 01:28:55,280 --> 01:29:03,840 there was a FedEx ground truck making his rounds out there. It's the largest 1046 01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:10,320 panel van FedEx has on the road and he easily navigated going northbound on 1047 01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:17,600 Third Street. He easily navigated going uh east on Perkins and then coming back 1048 01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:25,280 on Perkins, he made a left going southbound 1049 01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:29,840 on uh on Third Street. So, um and what I particularly appreciated 1050 01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:34,480 about it is watching UPS and FedEx trucks race through town. He was well 1051 01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:40,159 under the speed limit when he was doing the driving in the neighborhood. So, I 1052 01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:46,320 didn't see uh problems with with that. I saw a Sonoma County bus once northbound 1053 01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:53,360 and once southbound fine, you know, navigated that uh traffic circle fine. I 1054 01:29:50,159 --> 01:30:00,080 saw um uh there was there was a confused person 1055 01:29:56,239 --> 01:30:05,760 out of probably 250 cars in that hour. Uh and that person came out of the 1056 01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:10,880 » I'm sorry, I'm talking. Please, please, please. Public comments coming up next. 1057 01:30:07,679 --> 01:30:16,800 » Yeah, I'm talking and I know what I saw and you don't know what I saw. So, there 1058 01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:23,440 you have it. Um so so the 1059 01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:32,320 uh the what I don't understand generally is um how 1060 01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:38,239 the money is getting spent to to relative to that traffic circle and 1061 01:30:34,239 --> 01:30:44,000 relative to the $1.8 8 million and how is that? I think you you brought 1062 01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:47,920 up that it would be more cost effective for four-way. And then of course, Chief, 1063 01:30:46,639 --> 01:30:51,520 the question about a four-way is how often do people actually honor those? 1064 01:30:50,480 --> 01:30:53,840 » So, >> were you asking about how much the 1065 01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:56,960 permanent could cost? >> Right. Yeah, 1066 01:30:54,480 --> 01:31:02,080 » I could pull up the opinion um the opinion of probable construction costs. 1067 01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:07,600 Um it's it's minor in the overall um a fraction of the overall 1.8 or arguably 1068 01:31:04,480 --> 01:31:11,840 spending way more at Fifth West and subly on those intersection improvements 1069 01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:17,120 which is going to, you know, redo that intersection bouts. We're also repaving 1070 01:31:14,239 --> 01:31:25,199 that section of the road from um West Napa up to um Studley. And so there's 1071 01:31:22,239 --> 01:31:29,800 it it's not it's most certainly not 1.8 million. It's a fraction of that. 1072 01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:42,159 I have one last question. So, going back to the proposed change of or potential 1073 01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:49,440 proposed change of having some speed humps and potentially the four the four 1074 01:31:46,159 --> 01:31:56,080 stop signs. Um, how many speed humps would that be in to in total if you're 1075 01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:59,760 looking at Third Street West? Right. >> From Hurricanes, yes. Yes. To Napa 1076 01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:01,600 Street would be three in total. Right now there's currently two. 1077 01:32:01,120 --> 01:32:06,400 » Okay. >> Yeah, there would be one additional and 1078 01:32:03,440 --> 01:32:10,960 they'd be equally spaced more or less between Perkins Street and Napa Street. 1079 01:32:08,639 --> 01:32:14,159 » And have we consulted with fire at all over this? And 1080 01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:17,600 » fire supports them and they can be straddled by fire. 1081 01:32:15,440 --> 01:32:21,679 » Okay. Just want to make sure. Um just I'm I'm just curious if that's 1082 01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:28,800 excessive. I'm all for speed reduction, but I'm just curious if with the the 1083 01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:32,400 stop signs plus the speed humps, is that is that going to even create we already 1084 01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:36,639 have some issues with Fifth Street. Um and so is that going to create um some 1085 01:32:34,719 --> 01:32:39,440 safety issues there with people avoiding it and going around and stuff like that. 1086 01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:44,960 So just >> yeah, point that out. the speed tables 1087 01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:49,360 that we have on Fifth Street at the cemetery that are offset, you won't be 1088 01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:54,159 able to chicane around these speed table the speed humps that Ashley showed the 1089 01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:59,040 demo of. They're all in one line and they go into the parking stall. 1090 01:32:56,800 --> 01:33:02,960 So basically you can see yeah you can see on the cross-section there that 1091 01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:06,239 first I believe 8.5 ft is where cars would park and you could park right on 1092 01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:10,639 top of one of these >> straddling it and then basically you've 1093 01:33:08,480 --> 01:33:15,760 got your 11.5 ft section to the center line of the road and the same on the 1094 01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:19,360 opposite side. Yeah. So there's this the reason why we chose this design. Yeah. 1095 01:33:17,679 --> 01:33:23,440 And there won't be any chicaneing. >> Great. Thank you. 1096 01:33:21,440 --> 01:33:27,440 So one way or another, once these speed cushions are in, no matter how much a 1097 01:33:25,199 --> 01:33:31,440 car would try and avoid it, at least one side of the car is going to hit. 1098 01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:35,600 » Okay, that's So basically what we're looking at in 1099 01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:39,040 as a potential alternative, if I can just hopefully 1100 01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:44,719 summarize this as a potential alternative to the traffic circle, 1101 01:33:42,239 --> 01:33:50,639 we have two sets of speed cushions already. add one more set and then make 1102 01:33:48,480 --> 01:33:57,120 Ben Court and Andrew Street a four-way stop. That's kind of the alternative 1103 01:33:52,960 --> 01:34:00,719 we're looking at right now. Okay. Um I have a number of thoughts on this 1104 01:33:59,280 --> 01:34:07,920 specific issue, but I'm not going to voice them quite yet. Um is there any 1105 01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:11,199 other questions from the committee? Um there's no other questions from the 1106 01:34:09,199 --> 01:34:15,840 committee. I will open it up to public comment. Um, I think there will probably 1107 01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:21,920 be one or two public comments, maybe three, but please keep it to uh three 1108 01:34:19,199 --> 01:34:25,520 minutes, please. >> Hi, I'm Eris Weaver. I'm the executive 1109 01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:28,560 director of the Sonoma County Bicycle Coalition. I also serve 1110 01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:31,440 » Could you Could you please give me your first name again? I'm sorry. 1111 01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:34,639 » Eris, E R I S. >> Thank you. 1112 01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:37,760 » Um, I also serve on the Sonoma County Transportation and Climate Authorities 1113 01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:43,600 Citizen Advisory Committee along with Mr. Conlin over here. So part of my job 1114 01:34:40,719 --> 01:34:48,719 in both of these roles is to understand and advocate for infrastructure 1115 01:34:45,679 --> 01:34:52,800 improvements that improve safety for all users, for cyclists, for pedestrians, 1116 01:34:51,040 --> 01:34:57,120 for drivers, because anything we do that makes it easier for our children to walk 1117 01:34:54,560 --> 01:35:02,400 to school or our elders to get somewhere makes it safer for everyone on the road, 1118 01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:08,480 including drivers. Um my staff spent hours involved in the city's uh active 1119 01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:13,040 transportation plan um making comments most of which were incorporated into 1120 01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:17,040 that plan and before this meeting I made sure to go out this weekend and check 1121 01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:22,800 out this whole corridor that's been being um discussed. Traffic circles are 1122 01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:26,080 a proven intervention for slowing traffic and improving safety. They 1123 01:35:24,239 --> 01:35:30,400 reduce head-on and t-bone collisions. They allow traffic to flow smoothly. I 1124 01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:34,560 prefer them to four-way stops. as a cyclist because then I don't have to put 1125 01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:40,000 my foot down. Nobody has to stop. Everybody can just keep going around. It 1126 01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:45,040 still slows the traffic without the stop and go, stop and go. Everybody just goes 1127 01:35:42,480 --> 01:35:49,760 around. Do my little dance here. I know that it's confusing if you haven't seen 1128 01:35:47,120 --> 01:35:53,920 one, right? Any construction uh road configuration changes um can be 1129 01:35:52,239 --> 01:35:59,440 discombobulating. I know I don't like changes in my routines. Um, now I 1130 01:35:57,520 --> 01:36:03,920 actually live in the only city in the US that had a voter-approved ordinance on 1131 01:36:02,080 --> 01:36:08,719 the books banning traffic circles and roundabouts within the city limits. Two 1132 01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:13,440 years ago, uh, my neighbors and I successfully uh, circulated um, 1133 01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:19,120 petitions, initiated an ordinance to rescend that ban and it passed with a 1134 01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:25,120 huge margin. So why did we spend all those hours wanting to bring this tool 1135 01:36:21,440 --> 01:36:30,960 back into our toolbox in Katady? And why did all the voters go for it? 1136 01:36:28,639 --> 01:36:36,639 There was a roundabout where they had a year of experience with a roundabout 1137 01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:41,440 nearby that everyone got to learn how to use it. Uh saw that the sky didn't fall 1138 01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:46,320 and that it actually uh improved everyone's experience through that 1139 01:36:43,440 --> 01:36:52,880 particular intersection. And so they got to see the benefits and 1140 01:36:49,920 --> 01:37:01,199 voted for it. So I urge you to keep the uh traffic circle in the plan and um the 1141 01:36:58,159 --> 01:37:04,440 project looks great. Thanks. >> Thank you. 1142 01:37:04,639 --> 01:37:16,000 » My name is Loretta Carr. L O R E T A C A R R. I live at 7053rd Street West, 1143 01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:21,520 exactly at the intersection where the roundabout is placed. I hope you've 1144 01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:26,639 watched the three videos that were sent to you showing the dangerous driving 1145 01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:32,400 conditions caused by that roundabout at Third West and Perkins. Video number one 1146 01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:38,000 showed numerous vehicles cutting across the intersection instead of going 1147 01:37:34,719 --> 01:37:43,920 around. Video number two showed numerous vehicles not stopping at the stop signs 1148 01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:49,360 on Perkins Street because signs with circular arrows were placed below the 1149 01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:54,880 stop signs, leading drivers to believe they were to proceed into the 1150 01:37:51,679 --> 01:38:00,800 intersection without stopping. Video number three showed large commercial 1151 01:37:57,760 --> 01:38:06,320 vehicles cutting across the intersection instead of going around because their 1152 01:38:03,040 --> 01:38:10,639 vehicles won't fit. This was proven by the large trucks driving up on the 1153 01:38:08,719 --> 01:38:16,320 sidewalk. The first two videos were filmed in 1154 01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:23,119 early July with an average of 15 to 20 traffic violations a day. The third 1155 01:38:20,159 --> 01:38:29,040 video was filmed in late August with an average of 14 violations a day. This 1156 01:38:26,639 --> 01:38:34,480 shows that it's not a matter of drivers getting used to the roundabout. The 1157 01:38:31,679 --> 01:38:42,480 problem is that the intersection is not large enough to safely accommodate these 1158 01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:50,719 commercial trucks, buses, fire engines, post office trucks, big pickup trucks, 1159 01:38:46,159 --> 01:38:57,199 big SU SUVs. I have witnessed all of those cutting across and not all 1160 01:38:54,320 --> 01:39:04,960 vehicles slow down. You may have been there for an hour, but I am there 24/7. 1161 01:39:02,480 --> 01:39:11,840 I don't understand how anyone could see this visual documentation of the threat 1162 01:39:08,239 --> 01:39:17,199 to pedestrians, wheelchair users, bicyclists, and other vehicles and still 1163 01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:22,639 think that this street obstruction is more important than the safety of human 1164 01:39:19,679 --> 01:39:29,520 beings. This is the hospital neighborhood with many walking elderly, 1165 01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:35,199 vulnerable individuals in wheelchairs, and caregivers from medical offices and 1166 01:39:32,639 --> 01:39:41,920 long-term care facilities, adults pushing baby strollers, 1167 01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:48,639 carts of infants from the nearby child care center, pedestrians have already 1168 01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:56,320 been hurt or killed on Broadway, Fifth Street West, Veron Bono Avenue. Let's 1169 01:39:52,639 --> 01:40:02,320 not contribute to another tragedy. The city knows the intersection is too 1170 01:39:58,880 --> 01:40:07,679 small. The bicycle boulevard plan states that there will be no bicycle lanes 1171 01:40:04,719 --> 01:40:12,159 because the street is too small. The plan also states that large vehicles 1172 01:40:10,159 --> 01:40:17,679 such as buses, fire engines, and delivery trucks can drive over the 1173 01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:22,239 roundabout if needed. So then what's the point of putting an obstruction in the 1174 01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:26,239 middle of the intersection? In addition, parking has been removed 1175 01:40:24,719 --> 01:40:32,159 from the four corners of the intersection because large vehicles will 1176 01:40:29,119 --> 01:40:35,040 not fit between the roundabout and the parked cars. 1177 01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:39,679 » Miss Car, I'm have to ask you to wrap it up, please. 1178 01:40:36,400 --> 01:40:45,600 This loss of parking causes hardship for elderly patients trying to access the 1179 01:40:42,239 --> 01:40:49,159 ramp to medical offices on the 600 block of Third Street. 1180 01:40:49,520 --> 01:40:55,840 I have one last point that I think feel is significant and it has not been 1181 01:40:53,760 --> 01:41:01,040 brought up yet. Instead of installing a dangerous street 1182 01:40:58,080 --> 01:41:05,920 obstacle, the city should be protecting this neighborhood. 1183 01:41:03,199 --> 01:41:11,360 Do you recognize the names Charles Perkins, Matthew Andrew, Robert 1184 01:41:09,760 --> 01:41:18,880 Bancherero, Raymond Barack, Lawrence Bettincourt, 1185 01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:26,480 Ross Hayes, Eugene Robinson, Joseph Figna. They are sons of Soma who served 1186 01:41:22,159 --> 01:41:31,520 and died in World War II. So in 1950, the city of Sonoma decided that those 1187 01:41:29,199 --> 01:41:36,719 Sonomans who had died during the war should be honored in a permanent and 1188 01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:42,080 substantial way. Wine maker August Sebastiani had developed housing on land 1189 01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:46,960 west of Broadway near the new hospital, the area we're talking about. He offered 1190 01:41:44,719 --> 01:41:53,119 to name the streets in memory of the war heroes selected by the city. a veterans 1191 01:41:50,560 --> 01:41:57,840 committee named the eight which the city approved. Their photographs are posted 1192 01:41:55,679 --> 01:42:03,440 in the lobby of the veterans building right across the street. Take a look so 1193 01:42:00,480 --> 01:42:09,920 you can put a face to the names. So besides the roundabout safety issue that 1194 01:42:06,239 --> 01:42:16,880 I have documented, it matters to me that Perkins Street named in memory of one of 1195 01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:23,440 Soma's deceased military is honored, not defaced. not the site of a traffic 1196 01:42:20,719 --> 01:42:31,239 catastrophe. It should matter to you, too. Keep the neighborhood safe and 1197 01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:31,239 remove the roundabout permanently. 1198 01:42:37,600 --> 01:42:46,560 Hi again, Tom Conlin, live outside the city limits. Um, as Eris Weaver 1199 01:42:43,119 --> 01:42:50,560 mentioned, I serve on the Sonoma County Trans Climate Transportation Authority 1200 01:42:48,239 --> 01:42:55,040 Citizen Advisory Committee, which is the body that recommends whether these 1201 01:42:52,719 --> 01:42:57,760 projects should be approved for funding. So, we've been watching this for at 1202 01:42:56,320 --> 01:43:01,840 least five years. Government moves slowly. We are finally in front of you 1203 01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:06,480 with a project. Um, but I'm here tonight speaking as an 1204 01:43:04,480 --> 01:43:10,400 individual uh in a personal capacity as a 1205 01:43:08,400 --> 01:43:14,880 grandparent of a 5-year-old who just got her training wheels off and she wants to 1206 01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:21,119 ride all over this town on a bicycle and you have to say you can't do it. It's 1207 01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:25,600 not safe yet. So, that's why I'm here is to try and make this community safer. 1208 01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:30,320 Following that last speaker, I c I cannot see how that speaker could say 1209 01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:36,800 that currently Perkins is a dangerous street or that this traffic calming 1210 01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:41,920 improvement that's been so rigorously studied and you have data to show that 1211 01:43:39,679 --> 01:43:47,520 speeds have dropped is going to create dangerous conditions. 1212 01:43:44,880 --> 01:43:54,480 I I just find that to be outside of the bounds of acceptable reality. 1213 01:43:50,880 --> 01:43:58,639 um your your data shows that the speed were was at a max of 43 and it's gone 1214 01:43:56,480 --> 01:44:02,159 down to 32 with that with that improvement. 1215 01:44:00,639 --> 01:44:05,920 Now, many community members in the comments submitted to you previous to 1216 01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:10,000 this meeting said that they see few cyclists on the route currently. That's 1217 01:44:08,159 --> 01:44:14,400 exactly the problem that we're trying to address is it's too safe, too unsafe to 1218 01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:18,080 ride a bicycle through many parts of Soma. 1219 01:44:16,159 --> 01:44:23,040 The other thing that was raised is that perhaps this tra perhaps this is not the 1220 01:44:20,639 --> 01:44:26,880 best location in the city for a traffic circle that there may be other locations 1221 01:44:24,719 --> 01:44:32,800 that are more deserving. I raised that concern myself back in October 1222 01:44:30,159 --> 01:44:38,800 because this is a significant amount of money. It's taxpayer money. We have to 1223 01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:44,880 spend it well. the but however at that October meeting I was convinced by this 1224 01:44:41,040 --> 01:44:51,679 staff's analysis by consultants analysis that this north south route connecting 1225 01:44:48,159 --> 01:44:57,360 to the uh creek trail all the way down to the south side of town this becomes a 1226 01:44:55,280 --> 01:45:03,040 major bicycle thoroughare a major pedestrian thoroughfare that's why the 1227 01:44:59,840 --> 01:45:06,639 um Tim Donner with the tourism board believes that this is an important 1228 01:45:04,880 --> 01:45:13,040 improvement for for the community as well. Um, and so I I have accepted that 1229 01:45:11,440 --> 01:45:18,800 this is an important project and it was worthwhile to take the funds as a major 1230 01:45:15,679 --> 01:45:23,600 project change from the Satarini class one bike lane and invest it in this 1231 01:45:21,119 --> 01:45:30,880 street. Now, if the alternatives you've discussed tentatively so far were to be 1232 01:45:27,600 --> 01:45:35,760 sub sub uh substituted for the traffic circle as designed, I personally do not 1233 01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:43,119 think that we would be hitting the threshold necessary to achieve the 1234 01:45:41,199 --> 01:45:47,920 traffic calming outcomes, the objectives. I don't think you're going 1235 01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:50,639 to get the uh mileage reduction and I don't think you're going to get the 1236 01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:55,760 level of traffic stress reduction for pedestrians and and cyclists. So, I 1237 01:45:53,199 --> 01:45:58,159 would probably be asking you to do more. And so, my alternative, it's not on your 1238 01:45:57,520 --> 01:46:00,239 list currently. >> Mr. Con, I have to ask you to wrap it 1239 01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:06,480 up, please. >> I'm sorry. I will try. My my suggested 1240 01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:10,239 alternative would be to put a class 4 cycle track along this condemning 1241 01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:15,199 parking on one side of the street because that would be necessary to 1242 01:46:12,480 --> 01:46:19,280 create the level of traffic stress reduction that you would otherwise be 1243 01:46:17,199 --> 01:46:22,560 achieving with the current design. >> Okay, I need to ask you to wrap it up 1244 01:46:20,719 --> 01:46:25,199 please. We have a lot of people online. >> Understood. Thank you for your 1245 01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:28,320 consideration my comments tonight. >> Thank you. And please once again please 1246 01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:32,960 try to keep your comments limited to three minutes. 1247 01:46:30,080 --> 01:46:37,119 Hi, my name is Christine Kuner. I'm an occupational therapist in the city of 1248 01:46:34,960 --> 01:46:44,000 Soma. I've only lived here about six years. Um, 1249 01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:50,880 I do driver training for seniors in an acute care facility in Soma. So, I know 1250 01:46:47,040 --> 01:46:57,119 we have a lot of senior drivers here. Um before that I did home health driving 1251 01:46:54,000 --> 01:47:03,600 many counties in the area and I saw a lot of other other traffic patterns 1252 01:47:00,159 --> 01:47:08,719 other crosswalks painting in other counties that seem to be done very well. 1253 01:47:06,159 --> 01:47:14,719 And since I've lived in Soma all I see are faded and missing crosswalks. I see 1254 01:47:12,239 --> 01:47:22,719 the kids trying to get across the street at Andrix and First Street West on their 1255 01:47:18,480 --> 01:47:27,600 bikes and it makes me really really sad that a little kid, a first grader, can't 1256 01:47:24,719 --> 01:47:30,800 even cross the street um to get to school. They're trying to get to school. 1257 01:47:29,119 --> 01:47:36,080 They don't know where the crosswalks are because the crosswalks are faded and 1258 01:47:32,480 --> 01:47:41,600 painted and not painted. Um, when I first moved in at Nukem and Broadway, 1259 01:47:39,679 --> 01:47:47,520 there were no crosswalks coming out of the high school. So, how are these kids 1260 01:47:43,679 --> 01:47:53,199 gonna stop? Um, so I started writing emails to a lady named Kathy Martindale, 1261 01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:57,360 and she would CC a lot of people saying, you know, we need more paint. We need 1262 01:47:54,880 --> 01:48:01,920 more paint. And I told her about the intersection at Andrix and First Street 1263 01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:05,600 West. It's these little kindergarteners are trying to get to Presswood. They're 1264 01:48:04,159 --> 01:48:11,920 trying to get us across the street. There are no crosswalks or they're so 1265 01:48:07,360 --> 01:48:18,239 faded you can't see them. Um, and that was a year ago and still no painting has 1266 01:48:15,040 --> 01:48:23,760 happened at that intersection. Um, it really upsets me because I have a 1267 01:48:21,280 --> 01:48:28,000 nine-year-old son who rides his bike in that neighborhood and I think you're 1268 01:48:25,600 --> 01:48:35,119 sitting on a time bomb. It's a matter of time before a senior with decreased 1269 01:48:31,679 --> 01:48:39,679 visual acuity and decreased reaction time. This city is 1270 01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:44,080 full of seniors. A lot of people come here to retire. I work with the seniors. 1271 01:48:42,480 --> 01:48:48,560 There are a lot of people who should not be driving in Soma who are driving um 1272 01:48:47,199 --> 01:48:57,440 because they don't want to give up their independence and it's a huge safety 1273 01:48:52,320 --> 01:49:03,760 hazard. I've complained to um Chief Cutting before about First Street West, 1274 01:49:00,159 --> 01:49:08,719 but my biggest problem right now is the paint. It's like we pay all these taxes, 1275 01:49:06,560 --> 01:49:15,440 you know, property taxes, and there's no paint on the street. Also, the blind 1276 01:49:11,440 --> 01:49:19,679 curbs. Um the red paint needs to go on the curb. You get a giant twostory van 1277 01:49:17,920 --> 01:49:25,040 on the corner. You can't see around the corner. Kid comes out with a bike. Boom. 1278 01:49:22,239 --> 01:49:30,280 done. So that's all I want to say. Please paint in Soma. Thank you. 1279 01:49:32,560 --> 01:49:39,280 » My name is Anna Morales. I live at Barach and Robinson and I'm all for 1280 01:49:37,360 --> 01:49:44,239 slowing down the cars on Third Street. They fly down Third Street. I try to 1281 01:49:41,199 --> 01:49:48,800 come out of Robinson and there's large cars parked there and I have to inch out 1282 01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:52,080 and they're flying down. So there are not a lot of bikes that go down that 1283 01:49:50,239 --> 01:49:56,639 street and probably for that reason. So I am for all slowing it down. I don't 1284 01:49:54,400 --> 01:50:01,040 think it's the traffic circle. I walk all day along with all of these other 1285 01:49:58,480 --> 01:50:05,520 people trying to cross Andrew. They slow down for the dip and you think it's safe 1286 01:50:03,679 --> 01:50:09,840 to step in front of them and then they gas their car. They're only slowing down 1287 01:50:07,920 --> 01:50:13,520 because they don't want to ruin the bottom of their car. They're not slowing 1288 01:50:11,600 --> 01:50:18,800 down for a pedestrian or a dog or a stroller. We need to stop the cars. If 1289 01:50:16,960 --> 01:50:23,920 you want bicycles to be able to go down Third Street safely because there's no 1290 01:50:21,280 --> 01:50:27,360 way that a traffic circle a block away is going to create that. They're just 1291 01:50:25,440 --> 01:50:31,440 going to pick up speed again. The bicyclists are going to pick up speed. 1292 01:50:28,960 --> 01:50:36,159 They're supposed to stop. Andrew keeps going. It's not doing anything. Also, 1293 01:50:34,080 --> 01:50:40,159 all the corners need to be painted red. Isn't it a law at all of the crosswalks? 1294 01:50:38,239 --> 01:50:45,679 No cars can be within 20 ft of the crosswalks. None of them are painted 1295 01:50:42,159 --> 01:50:49,840 red. Even we put up temporary signs that you couldn't park there. People turned 1296 01:50:47,520 --> 01:50:53,040 the signs around and parked right in front of those hospitals and everything 1297 01:50:51,280 --> 01:50:58,000 else. I understand they're elderly people dropping off other seniors and 1298 01:50:55,280 --> 01:51:01,760 stuff, but they ignored them. So those corners need to be painted red, not just 1299 01:50:59,760 --> 01:51:05,520 for this traffic circle, but for every corner so that people can cross. Cars 1300 01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:09,040 park all the way up and you can't see the pedestrian until you're out there. 1301 01:51:07,520 --> 01:51:13,440 And then the cars just look at you and go, "Oops, sorry, I'm running you over." 1302 01:51:10,800 --> 01:51:17,520 I mean, they just keep going. So yes, those speed bumps I think are a much 1303 01:51:15,360 --> 01:51:21,600 better idea. You know, some of them at Robinson than some of them again at 1304 01:51:19,440 --> 01:51:26,080 Perkins and some of them again at Benton Court. That's the only way you're going 1305 01:51:22,480 --> 01:51:29,320 to slow them down. Thank you. >> Thank you. 1306 01:51:30,639 --> 01:51:36,239 » Good evening. My name is Caitlyn Cornwall and I'm representing Sonoma 1307 01:51:33,920 --> 01:51:40,320 Valley Collaborative, uh, which you might not have heard of. Cinema Valley 1308 01:51:37,920 --> 01:51:48,400 Collaborative is a cross- sector coalition of the widest possible array 1309 01:51:44,239 --> 01:51:53,119 of uh sectors and interests in Cinema Valley gathered together around one 1310 01:51:50,560 --> 01:51:58,080 table to work on big issues facing the Cinema Valley community that are too big 1311 01:51:55,440 --> 01:52:02,960 and too complicated for any one organization or sector to take on. So 1312 01:52:00,080 --> 01:52:07,920 our membership includes um business groups like the chamber and several 1313 01:52:05,360 --> 01:52:13,199 small businesses, restaurants, hotels, etc. Uh health organizations like the 1314 01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:17,840 hospital and the health center. Um a lot of nonprofits that serve kids and 1315 01:52:15,360 --> 01:52:24,080 families, um environmental organizations, 1316 01:52:19,360 --> 01:52:28,080 uh health, faith, schools, um like I say, the broadest possible array. And a 1317 01:52:26,719 --> 01:52:32,159 lot of our work over the last nine years, which is how long the 1318 01:52:29,760 --> 01:52:37,440 collaborative has been in existence, has been working on um the issue of how to 1319 01:52:35,520 --> 01:52:41,920 increase housing affordability in Soma Valley. Uh which is an issue that is 1320 01:52:40,400 --> 01:52:45,520 causing a lot of pain across all sectors. But that's not what I'm here 1321 01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:49,119 about. I wanted just to tell you that in the nine years that the collaborative 1322 01:52:47,199 --> 01:52:55,040 has existed um consistently one of the issues that 1323 01:52:51,679 --> 01:53:00,320 has been of greatest interest to our members is the issue of how people get 1324 01:52:57,679 --> 01:53:04,800 around in Soma Valley and it's I just want to emphasize to you that leaders in 1325 01:53:02,800 --> 01:53:08,800 many of these different areas you know like I say the chamber of commerce the 1326 01:53:06,480 --> 01:53:14,800 visitors bureau the hospital the school district the faith leaders um people who 1327 01:53:12,639 --> 01:53:19,599 work with the schools and families, the Latino community, the moms, all of 1328 01:53:17,280 --> 01:53:24,880 across the board, the feeling that this is a community that could be a paradise 1329 01:53:21,440 --> 01:53:29,599 for walkers and bikers and rollers. And it it feels like something we just don't 1330 01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:34,080 quite arrive at. And so I don't have really specific commentary on the exact 1331 01:53:32,560 --> 01:53:37,599 design of this project because we didn't have I didn't have time to take this to 1332 01:53:35,760 --> 01:53:43,599 my members on the detail level. But in the broad sense, the idea of making Soma 1333 01:53:41,520 --> 01:53:49,920 and the valley better for people who are white biking and walking, kids, families 1334 01:53:48,159 --> 01:53:54,719 and small business owners who we want to attract to Soma and not have them move 1335 01:53:52,480 --> 01:53:59,760 away. We need to be designing our streets and trails and sidewalks for who 1336 01:53:57,520 --> 01:54:04,320 we want in the future to live here, not just for who's here now. And the idea of 1337 01:54:02,000 --> 01:54:07,360 change is hard, but we've all been in many, many, many towns where there's 1338 01:54:05,760 --> 01:54:12,159 lots of traffic circles and it works fine and people slow down and people get 1339 01:54:10,159 --> 01:54:16,560 used to change. And if this is a good change, which my membership thinks that 1340 01:54:14,880 --> 01:54:20,719 slowing traffic down and making it more possible to not just be in your car is a 1341 01:54:18,880 --> 01:54:24,080 good change, that's what we would recommend. Thank you. 1342 01:54:28,800 --> 01:54:34,960 First of all, thank you so much for caring caring about Sonoma. I know this. 1343 01:54:32,880 --> 01:54:42,560 » Can I get your name? Sorry. >> Lesie Lie E Karath. K A R A T H. 1344 01:54:41,920 --> 01:54:47,840 » Thank you. >> I'm nervous, 1345 01:54:44,800 --> 01:54:52,719 so I wrote things down. I wanted to thank you. first of all. When I grew up 1346 01:54:50,400 --> 01:54:56,239 here, there was one stoplight. So, I think we're doing pretty good. And 1347 01:54:54,880 --> 01:55:01,679 there's going to be more building and more developments. So, thank you for 1348 01:54:59,199 --> 01:55:06,320 thinking about this stuff. I live right on Third Street West in Perkins, right 1349 01:55:04,159 --> 01:55:10,239 where the roundabout is. And when I heard that it was going to be there, I 1350 01:55:08,480 --> 01:55:15,280 thought, "Good, this is going to be a good thing because it's going to slow 1351 01:55:11,360 --> 01:55:20,239 people down." It's been a cluster mess. And I know people will get used to it. 1352 01:55:17,520 --> 01:55:25,440 It's not the right corner for it. There are wheels chairs. 1353 01:55:22,639 --> 01:55:30,320 I should read my thing here. Oh. Oh, the the picture of the roundabout on the 1354 01:55:27,440 --> 01:55:34,480 poster for the Bike Boulevard project is beautiful, but it does not represent 1355 01:55:32,960 --> 01:55:39,199 reality. At first, I was happy about the 1356 01:55:36,080 --> 01:55:44,080 roundabout. Like everyone everywhere, I want people to slow down, especially on 1357 01:55:41,440 --> 01:55:47,040 the street that I'm on. Seems like Sonoma's going to have a bunch of speed 1358 01:55:45,280 --> 01:55:50,800 bumps everywhere. Um, from what I've witnessed, the 1359 01:55:48,639 --> 01:55:56,719 roundabout has made things worse, not better. I love roundabouts, but not 1360 01:55:53,440 --> 01:56:01,280 here. Um, it's a residential street. Think about your house being right there 1361 01:55:58,159 --> 01:56:05,360 where a bus comes right next to your living room. Um, the corner is not big 1362 01:56:03,760 --> 01:56:11,280 enough to accommodate pedestrians and vehicles. It's a residential street with 1363 01:56:07,840 --> 01:56:15,520 many medical offices. I see wheelchairs, walkers, strollers, much more than 1364 01:56:13,520 --> 01:56:21,360 bikes. I'm all for bikes. Let's get the bikes. But I think it's even dangerous 1365 01:56:17,360 --> 01:56:25,599 for bikes. Um we have trucks, buses, and by the way, not everyone slows down. 1366 01:56:23,520 --> 01:56:30,960 Like some maybe there are kids in their 20s, they speed up and go fast because 1367 01:56:27,520 --> 01:56:35,360 it's fun. Um I did hear that um buses and trucks could go over the over the 1368 01:56:33,760 --> 01:56:39,599 thing in the center, but it's like why why would you do that? That seems kind 1369 01:56:36,639 --> 01:56:44,639 of odd. Um I understand that there are grants and grant money to be spent on 1370 01:56:42,000 --> 01:56:49,599 projects. I've even heard it doesn't matter what we think, it's going to 1371 01:56:46,400 --> 01:56:54,639 happen anyway. Um, I think stop signs or speed bumps would make much more sense 1372 01:56:52,159 --> 01:56:58,000 and be a much safer and smarter choice. I really am worried about the 1373 01:56:55,760 --> 01:57:02,400 wheelchairs. There's a ton of them and walkers and like when a person's 1374 01:57:00,080 --> 01:57:08,880 walking, just the way it's configured, it's dangerous. I look at it 24 like a 1375 01:57:06,320 --> 01:57:14,080 lot right there. I I just I want to thank you though for doing your work. I 1376 01:57:11,520 --> 01:57:18,159 really want to thank you for for um helping us because we're going to need 1377 01:57:15,360 --> 01:57:22,320 it. We're seven miles across and 22 miles long and a lot of building is 1378 01:57:20,800 --> 01:57:30,199 going to be going on pretty soon. Like a lot. So, let's do really good. 1379 01:57:26,960 --> 01:57:30,199 » Thank you. 1380 01:57:32,080 --> 01:57:41,520 » Laura Farmer L O R E L E. Farmer like farmer in the Dell Donner Avenue. Uh, 1381 01:57:40,000 --> 01:57:45,520 the first time I encountered the so-called calming circle, which is 1382 01:57:43,040 --> 01:57:50,480 simply a roundabout, I was stunned by how close my car came to the curb at the 1383 01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:55,280 corner of the house at 7053rd Street West. My immediate reaction was, "How 1384 01:57:52,960 --> 01:57:59,599 can this possibly be safe for bicyclists and pedestrians? The space is so 1385 01:57:57,679 --> 01:58:05,840 constrained that a driver and a bicyclist cannot safely navigate the 1386 01:58:02,719 --> 01:58:09,840 roundabout at the same time." I raised this directly with Ashley Carter the 1387 01:58:07,599 --> 01:58:14,000 next day. I explained that drivers would be forced to stop at the roundabout 1388 01:58:11,599 --> 01:58:19,199 whenever a bicyclist or pedestrian was present because there was no safe way to 1389 01:58:16,560 --> 01:58:23,280 share that space. She agreed and assured me, and maybe I misunderstood her, that 1390 01:58:21,599 --> 01:58:28,239 signage would be installed within a few weeks to warn drivers. To date, I have 1391 01:58:25,440 --> 01:58:33,199 yet to see that signage. Not long after that, I finally encountered my first 1392 01:58:30,960 --> 01:58:39,040 bicyclist, and I've lived in Soma for over 50 years on Third Street West. The 1393 01:58:36,560 --> 01:58:44,239 bicyclist entered the roundabout just as I approached to my car. I stopped, of 1394 01:58:41,840 --> 01:58:49,440 course, but what happens at night when visibility is low and a driver doesn't 1395 01:58:46,800 --> 01:58:55,199 see the bicyclist soon enough? How is this design safer for anyone? Without 1396 01:58:52,800 --> 01:58:59,440 the roundabout, drivers and bicyclists can can simply continue along Third 1397 01:58:56,960 --> 01:59:04,880 Street West as they do any other part of the street. The roundabout forces an 1398 01:59:02,480 --> 01:59:11,119 unpredictable interaction in a space that is too small to accommodate it. No 1399 01:59:08,719 --> 01:59:15,760 driver wants to be in a situation where they might not see a bicyclist or 1400 01:59:13,280 --> 01:59:19,920 pedestrian until it's too late. And the gentleman talked about his little 1401 01:59:16,880 --> 01:59:24,960 5-year-old grandson or whatever. I would not want to encounter his grandson going 1402 01:59:22,880 --> 01:59:29,040 in that roundabout in my car or have somebody else who doesn't see him 1403 01:59:26,400 --> 01:59:32,880 because he's down low to the ground. Um, 1404 01:59:30,719 --> 01:59:36,480 the index commune article quotes that city planners say that transportation 1405 01:59:34,560 --> 01:59:40,239 networks must be built for future community needs. I heard the same 1406 01:59:38,320 --> 01:59:44,480 argument during the Broadway bike lane discussions. The bicycle coalition 1407 01:59:42,400 --> 01:59:49,440 promised, "Build it and the bike riders will come." Yet years later, I have not 1408 01:59:46,960 --> 01:59:53,920 seen an increase in bicyclist bicyclists on Broadway, Second Street East, or 1409 01:59:51,840 --> 02:00:01,440 Fifth Street East. Streets that have long been designated as bicycle routes. 1410 01:59:57,920 --> 02:00:06,080 The median age in Sonoma is 57.3 years. Among my friends and acquaintances, only 1411 02:00:04,000 --> 02:00:10,320 one woman I know occasionally rides her bike around the neighborhood. Why do we 1412 02:00:08,719 --> 02:00:14,960 continue planning as though half our residents over the age of 57 will 1413 02:00:12,320 --> 02:00:19,520 suddenly become daily cyclists. Everyone I've spoken to has said the 1414 02:00:17,280 --> 02:00:24,639 same thing. This roundabout is a bad idea in a location that is not big 1415 02:00:22,080 --> 02:00:29,199 enough. Not one person has said to me, "This is great. My friends ride bikes 1416 02:00:26,639 --> 02:00:32,800 all the time. In addition, bicyclists must come from somewhere to use Third 1417 02:00:30,960 --> 02:00:37,199 Street West. Are we going to be putting up roundabouts all around the city to 1418 02:00:34,560 --> 02:00:41,360 protect the bicycle rider? We all want safer streets, but safety requires 1419 02:00:39,520 --> 02:00:45,280 designs that fit the actual conditions of the neighborhood. This roundabout 1420 02:00:43,440 --> 02:00:49,360 does not make it any safer for a bicycle. In fact, and even the stroller, 1421 02:00:48,159 --> 02:00:53,280 we saw somebody in a stroller, my husband and I. In fact, it makes it more 1422 02:00:51,280 --> 02:00:58,800 dangerous. And I would like to know at what time you were on and saw 250 cars 1423 02:00:56,560 --> 02:01:01,679 because I would like to go the same time and see the 250 cars that you saw on 1424 02:01:00,800 --> 02:01:03,920 Perkins Street. >> This is for public comment. We're not 1425 02:01:03,599 --> 02:01:07,760 okay. >> Going to do a back and forth, but we 1426 02:01:06,159 --> 02:01:11,000 will have a chance to discuss later. Once again, 1427 02:01:13,679 --> 02:01:19,440 » good evening, Chair Lobinger and uh traffic committee. Thank you first of 1428 02:01:17,679 --> 02:01:22,880 all for the work you do on behalf of our residents. I appreciate it. Could I get 1429 02:01:21,760 --> 02:01:28,719 your name, please? >> Diane Thompson, 559 Barach. Um, I 1430 02:01:26,960 --> 02:01:32,800 support the concept of a bicycle boulevard and traffic circles in 1431 02:01:30,719 --> 02:01:37,679 general, but the reason I'm here tonight is because I have concerns that have to 1432 02:01:35,119 --> 02:01:41,440 do with the process of this project and the impacts on the neighborhood as a 1433 02:01:39,360 --> 02:01:46,480 whole. There has been no direct notification to the neighbors. It's not 1434 02:01:43,920 --> 02:01:51,840 necessarily required, but it would have been appreciated and or at least I 1435 02:01:49,360 --> 02:01:56,480 didn't receive any direct notification and my neighbors that I spoke to have 1436 02:01:54,080 --> 02:02:02,639 not and we would have appreciated it and it could have made this process go 1437 02:01:58,239 --> 02:02:08,000 smoother. Um, also there has been no final plan for the project available to 1438 02:02:05,360 --> 02:02:13,440 the public until the agenda was posted for tonight's meeting a few days ago. 1439 02:02:10,960 --> 02:02:18,719 And so that is a problem just in terms of informing the public of what's going 1440 02:02:15,280 --> 02:02:22,400 on. Um and also the engineering drawings that you're showing are not necessarily 1441 02:02:20,800 --> 02:02:27,760 the best way to communicate to the public. Simplified drawings would be 1442 02:02:24,800 --> 02:02:32,400 very helpful. Um there was no data online that I could find uh regarding 1443 02:02:30,320 --> 02:02:36,880 the project impacts or a feasibility study. And I wanted to mention in terms 1444 02:02:34,800 --> 02:02:41,840 of impacts, Third Street is our only exit from the neighborhood. And as has 1445 02:02:39,840 --> 02:02:47,360 been pointed out earlier and as you discussed about VNA, the visibility when 1446 02:02:44,560 --> 02:02:53,760 you're leaving those feeder streets onto third is really scary now with a car 1447 02:02:51,119 --> 02:02:58,800 because you're pulling out onto third and there are large vehicles, trucks, 1448 02:02:55,920 --> 02:03:02,080 SUVs parked very close to the corner. So you really don't know what you're up 1449 02:03:00,400 --> 02:03:06,880 against until you get out into the intersection. Um, and usually it's cars, 1450 02:03:05,040 --> 02:03:13,920 right? That's one thing. But when you draw bicyclist onto that roadway, um 1451 02:03:10,400 --> 02:03:19,040 that's a scarier situation than car versus car. So that has to be addressed 1452 02:03:16,400 --> 02:03:24,719 as you discussed with VNA on those other streets um that feed on to third. So my 1453 02:03:22,560 --> 02:03:28,880 request to you is please slow the project down. Don't rush into 1454 02:03:26,560 --> 02:03:33,760 construction this fall. Please conduct meaningful public engagement with direct 1455 02:03:31,199 --> 02:03:38,599 notification and consider impacts on the neighborhood as a whole. Thank you so 1456 02:03:35,599 --> 02:03:38,599 much. 1457 02:03:40,480 --> 02:03:43,639 » Thank you. 1458 02:03:46,320 --> 02:03:54,400 » Hi. >> Uh William Nuome. Um Nwso M. Um I live 1459 02:03:52,800 --> 02:03:59,599 on Third Street Third Street West. I'm actually Loretta's neighbor. Um I'm a 1460 02:03:57,280 --> 02:04:05,679 former engineer. I'm also a big advocate for bicycling. Uh, I love the project in 1461 02:04:02,239 --> 02:04:09,840 general, but uh, I'm very grateful for the temporary traffic circle because 1462 02:04:08,000 --> 02:04:14,000 it's demonstrated just how bad of a solution it is for that intersection. 1463 02:04:12,159 --> 02:04:17,920 Um, I know a lot of folks called it a roundabout and as I think Ashley pointed 1464 02:04:15,760 --> 02:04:20,719 out, it's not a roundabout. A roundabout would require a much larger 1465 02:04:19,119 --> 02:04:24,000 intersection. I think the engineering reports actually reference that you 1466 02:04:22,080 --> 02:04:27,920 couldn't fit a roundabout there and I think it's too small for a traffic 1467 02:04:25,199 --> 02:04:31,440 circle as well. um watching it every day. I do see a lot of bikes there. 1468 02:04:29,920 --> 02:04:34,880 Actually, there's a lot of folks on like tourists are biking around there all the 1469 02:04:33,119 --> 02:04:40,159 time. Hopefully, we'll get more bikes. Um but seeing like the buses, the Sonoma 1470 02:04:37,920 --> 02:04:43,679 County buses that come through when they come through, I don't doubt that they do 1471 02:04:41,760 --> 02:04:48,400 slow down. So, the data is probably right that we've gone from whatever it 1472 02:04:45,840 --> 02:04:52,400 is a high speed 40 to high speed of 30. But when the buses go through the 1473 02:04:49,599 --> 02:04:57,280 intersection around the circle, they're swerving almost into if we had really 1474 02:04:55,520 --> 02:05:01,840 good, you know, marked crosswalks, it would certainly be into the crosswalks 1475 02:04:59,040 --> 02:05:06,000 there. It just seems very dangerous. Um, you know, this is me speaking 1476 02:05:03,360 --> 02:05:09,760 anecdotally, but we have folks on wheelchairs, 1477 02:05:07,520 --> 02:05:13,679 bicyclists, we have lots of little kids, lots and lots of people walking their 1478 02:05:11,280 --> 02:05:18,080 dogs. Um, and it just seems like a very dangerous intersection with the traffic 1479 02:05:15,520 --> 02:05:22,400 circle. I don't really understand the mountable aspect of the permanent 1480 02:05:20,320 --> 02:05:27,119 solution and I don't really know how buses would I guess they would just 1481 02:05:24,000 --> 02:05:32,000 drive straight through and bump up. Um, but it it seems like a poor solution. I 1482 02:05:29,520 --> 02:05:36,560 would just suggest that as I think some of the folks here have discussed 1483 02:05:34,639 --> 02:05:40,320 get rid of the traffic circle, throw a couple speed bumps maybe on either side. 1484 02:05:38,480 --> 02:05:44,719 We talked about three sets of speed bumps, maybe make it four. And that 1485 02:05:42,800 --> 02:05:49,760 feels like a much more workable solution that would still slow things down. I'm 1486 02:05:47,360 --> 02:05:56,080 at Andreu and Third Street West. That's a bad intersection. I know you said it's 1487 02:05:52,800 --> 02:05:59,520 like close to a stop sign. We see and hear people blowing through that 1488 02:05:57,440 --> 02:06:02,639 intersection all the time. I love the idea of reversing stop signs or putting 1489 02:06:01,280 --> 02:06:06,480 in a four-way stop. I think that will really slow things down. Um so yeah, o 1490 02:06:04,880 --> 02:06:13,119 overall very much in support of the project, but the circle just doesn't 1491 02:06:08,639 --> 02:06:13,119 make any sense. Thank you. 1492 02:06:31,280 --> 02:06:40,159 Oh, the timer started. No, it's it's totally fine. My name is Joyce Carlson. 1493 02:06:37,119 --> 02:06:45,679 I live on Barachi Way and I too want to thank all of you guys. Ashley, your 1494 02:06:42,719 --> 02:06:51,280 presentation was very thorough. I didn't realize the scope of this project and 1495 02:06:47,760 --> 02:06:56,960 it's much bigger than I knew. Um, and part of that is because I don't feel as 1496 02:06:54,000 --> 02:07:01,679 a resident in that area that we were really communicated with. And that to me 1497 02:06:59,440 --> 02:07:04,880 is a big part of the negativity that you might be hearing is people didn't know 1498 02:07:03,599 --> 02:07:10,320 what was going on and then all of a sudden there was a traffic circle. So I 1499 02:07:07,440 --> 02:07:14,560 too agree with what the people have said prior to me. So I won't go into all of 1500 02:07:12,320 --> 02:07:18,639 that but I wanted to reference something that um this woman said. I'm sorry your 1501 02:07:17,840 --> 02:07:25,119 name is >> Eerys is she talked about Katad and 1502 02:07:21,760 --> 02:07:29,679 roundabouts and traffic circles. My sister lives there and there was they 1503 02:07:27,040 --> 02:07:33,280 put one on Myrtle Street and it was terrible. It was just like what's 1504 02:07:31,360 --> 02:07:38,159 happening on Third Street. And guess what they did? They took it out and 1505 02:07:35,360 --> 02:07:45,199 mitigated it with stop signs. So there's ways to satisfy the residents and still 1506 02:07:41,599 --> 02:07:49,280 achieve your project, which I also am in support of the project. So I have no 1507 02:07:47,520 --> 02:07:53,920 qual about that. I just want it to be safe because I don't feel safe when I'm 1508 02:07:51,199 --> 02:07:58,960 in that area of the traffic circle. It feels very dangerous and I am kind of 1509 02:07:56,480 --> 02:08:03,040 worried about the liability to the city, you know, to be aware of this level of 1510 02:08:01,199 --> 02:08:06,719 discomfort with the community and the potential hazards that are involved and 1511 02:08:05,199 --> 02:08:13,480 then to have something tragically happen. So, thank you guys all and I 1512 02:08:08,880 --> 02:08:13,480 just wanted to share that. Thanks. 1513 02:08:17,599 --> 02:08:24,639 Good evening. Uh Chris Woodcock, 235 West Spain Street. Um is it possible Can 1514 02:08:22,800 --> 02:08:29,520 I direct a question to the chair really quick? Um 1515 02:08:26,719 --> 02:08:33,679 » is it possible to not clap? I know that we can raise our hands or something, but 1516 02:08:31,760 --> 02:08:40,639 you know it just clapping is kind of encourages one belief just a personal 1517 02:08:37,840 --> 02:08:46,639 you know. Um anyways, I just wanted to speak about uh I overall well thank you. 1518 02:08:44,239 --> 02:08:51,119 I just appreciate you know you know we just respect each other and I think that 1519 02:08:48,000 --> 02:08:55,360 that's an important thing. Um and I have a slightly different uh take on it. I 1520 02:08:53,119 --> 02:09:01,840 I'm encouraged by the overall design I spoke about in October. I thought it was 1521 02:08:57,280 --> 02:09:06,159 clearly um presented to us like I I had all this information. and I saw the 1522 02:09:03,199 --> 02:09:10,159 design in the October meeting and I just um whether or not this is the right 1523 02:09:08,000 --> 02:09:16,159 design for this spot, I just really am encouraged by um what the engineers came 1524 02:09:12,880 --> 02:09:21,040 up with for this. Um I would really like to get away from stop signs and speed 1525 02:09:18,719 --> 02:09:26,159 humps if possible. And I think, you know, going through there, I ride a 1526 02:09:22,560 --> 02:09:29,840 bike, I drive, I walk through there. And um I think it's a great opportunity to 1527 02:09:27,840 --> 02:09:33,280 try something that we have not been able to do. And I've been pushing for this 1528 02:09:31,840 --> 02:09:37,920 since I was sitting on this committee for 10 years, chaired it for five and 1529 02:09:35,599 --> 02:09:41,280 also sit on the um cinnam county uh bike and pedestrian advisory committee. And 1530 02:09:39,840 --> 02:09:45,520 this is something that's happening in the county. And I think it's something 1531 02:09:43,280 --> 02:09:49,199 that we need to think about. Um I forget who it was. Ma Caitlyn was talking about 1532 02:09:47,280 --> 02:09:54,320 it, but we need to think bigger in terms of the different things. And I agree 1533 02:09:51,440 --> 02:09:59,760 with you guys totally that a temporary roundabout is like horrible. And I think 1534 02:09:57,760 --> 02:10:04,639 that that is resolved when we get to the actual design. And I I find that like 1535 02:10:02,960 --> 02:10:08,800 I'm really against what we've done on Spain Street by putting up signs. I find 1536 02:10:06,880 --> 02:10:13,360 that, you know, things like that don't really work. More signage not such a 1537 02:10:11,520 --> 02:10:17,679 good idea because with the speed sign there, you know, whatever that is, it's 1538 02:10:15,440 --> 02:10:22,719 a dynamic speed display. People slow down at first, but then they learn that 1539 02:10:19,920 --> 02:10:26,639 habit. And so I want to get away from um thinking about stop signs as an 1540 02:10:24,159 --> 02:10:31,199 opportunity. And to me, it looks like it'll fit. The designers or the um 1541 02:10:29,679 --> 02:10:34,800 everybody seems to think that it works in terms of the engineers. Um and I 1542 02:10:33,520 --> 02:10:39,599 would just encourage us to go with something like that. And there's better 1543 02:10:36,960 --> 02:10:42,960 I feel like the crosswalks are better lines of sight. People were talking 1544 02:10:41,199 --> 02:10:49,760 about safety there. I think it's improved safety overall based upon my 1545 02:10:46,159 --> 02:10:53,599 reading of it. Um and I think confusion a little bit where we have to question 1546 02:10:51,520 --> 02:10:58,000 what's going on. That's the importance of a traffic circle. Definitely not a 1547 02:10:55,599 --> 02:11:02,320 roundabout that we have to kind of question which way to go. Look to the 1548 02:11:00,079 --> 02:11:05,760 arrows for people that are new to this. But once we get this design in, it's 1549 02:11:04,239 --> 02:11:10,719 going to change and overall people will be comfortable with it. So I'd like to 1550 02:11:07,840 --> 02:11:15,040 maintain the design that we have um understand that, you know, how change is 1551 02:11:13,360 --> 02:11:18,719 really difficult and just want to encourage everybody on the committee to 1552 02:11:17,119 --> 02:11:23,199 uh take that into consideration when you guys are looking at this and bring it to 1553 02:11:20,079 --> 02:11:26,360 committee. So thank you very much. Thank you. 1554 02:11:29,520 --> 02:11:36,480 » Thank you for everything that you've been doing. Um, my name is Lori 1555 02:11:32,719 --> 02:11:40,719 Parmally. P A R M E L E. I live on Third Street West in the 500 block. There's 1556 02:11:38,880 --> 02:11:45,040 nothing calming about riding your bike through this traffic circle. I um I'm a 1557 02:11:43,280 --> 02:11:50,079 recreational bike rider. I do bike trails. I don't ride on streets. When 1558 02:11:47,280 --> 02:11:53,840 you go and ride around the bike the roundabout, it is very stressful. The 1559 02:11:52,239 --> 02:11:58,280 only time I felt calm tonight was when you guys said you were gonna take it 1560 02:11:55,280 --> 02:11:58,280 out. 1561 02:12:09,119 --> 02:12:14,119 All right, got up. 1562 02:12:18,400 --> 02:12:28,320 I'm Michael Karath. I live at 697 Third Street West. Um 1563 02:12:25,440 --> 02:12:33,360 I I also like the idea of the bike paths. I like what you're doing. Um, I 1564 02:12:31,679 --> 02:12:40,320 don't sit out there in a rock and chair and watch all day, but I have seen um, 1565 02:12:38,079 --> 02:12:44,880 there are some cars that just go through there like there's there's it's not even 1566 02:12:42,800 --> 02:12:50,159 there. And as far as I think the point that people will get used to that thing. 1567 02:12:48,159 --> 02:12:54,639 All it takes is one person that doesn't un you know is not familiar with that 1568 02:12:52,960 --> 02:13:00,079 because it's very confusing in a residential area 1569 02:12:57,199 --> 02:13:04,400 and it it's just it's not the right place for it. There is a lot of people 1570 02:13:02,000 --> 02:13:09,199 who aren't from the area. Those are the people are going to be u very dangerous 1571 02:13:06,960 --> 02:13:15,199 driving around the thing. And I'd like to know why wasn't the stop sign studied 1572 02:13:12,239 --> 02:13:22,960 first because I think you would find the same reduction in speed or the uh speed 1573 02:13:19,679 --> 02:13:29,040 bumps as well. Why did it go right to the roundabout? It seemed like the stop 1574 02:13:25,920 --> 02:13:34,480 sign of the, you know, the, you know, the bump sale would be a lot less 1575 02:13:31,920 --> 02:13:39,920 expensive to study first. And if you didn't get the the uh speed reduction 1576 02:13:38,480 --> 02:13:44,159 there, then you could go to the next step that would be more expensive. Maybe 1577 02:13:42,159 --> 02:13:50,000 I missed something on that. But but I would like to know why the speed signs 1578 02:13:47,199 --> 02:13:54,639 weren't studied for us or the bumps put down first. I think there's this big 1579 02:13:52,320 --> 02:13:59,199 rush for this roundabout. I've, you know, I don't want to, you 1580 02:13:57,679 --> 02:14:04,079 know, say the same things that other people have said. They work in some 1581 02:14:01,199 --> 02:14:08,480 places really great and sometimes they don't. And I don't think I've ever seen 1582 02:14:06,239 --> 02:14:12,639 in my whole life a roundabout or whatever you want to call it in a 1583 02:14:09,840 --> 02:14:17,920 residential area. And as far as those trucks, what I have 1584 02:14:14,880 --> 02:14:24,560 seen, and I'd also like to know where, if you're calculating the speed, where 1585 02:14:21,280 --> 02:14:29,760 is that speed bump? Is it before? Is it after? Is it right at the I don't know. 1586 02:14:27,760 --> 02:14:38,400 You know, that's something that that I would definitely like to know. Um I just 1587 02:14:33,599 --> 02:14:42,960 think it would be a bad idea. And when I see trucks going up on the curb, you 1588 02:14:41,440 --> 02:14:47,520 know, particularly those trucks that have to, you know, I I I think one 1589 02:14:45,199 --> 02:14:51,920 speaker said, oh, you know, I think it was the chairperson who said he saw 1590 02:14:49,599 --> 02:14:56,320 trucks and it wasn't a big deal. But if they have to do that turn where it's 1591 02:14:53,760 --> 02:15:01,199 like you're turning past three streets, I mean, they're like those things are 1592 02:14:58,480 --> 02:15:06,400 like on two wheels almost trying to like navigate around. It's very dangerous and 1593 02:15:03,840 --> 02:15:10,400 the sightelines are really bad. That's all I have to say. I really hope you 1594 02:15:08,079 --> 02:15:16,239 reconsider this. It's not a very good idea. I'm I just think those other stop 1595 02:15:14,880 --> 02:15:22,480 signs and the bumps should have been studied first. Thank you. 1596 02:15:19,599 --> 02:15:22,480 » Thank you. 1597 02:15:28,560 --> 02:15:34,599 All right. Is there any other public comment before we turn it back to the 1598 02:15:31,599 --> 02:15:34,599 committee? 1599 02:15:34,960 --> 02:15:44,560 Okay, seeing none, we will close public comment on this issue. I will turn it 1600 02:15:41,199 --> 02:15:50,920 back to the committee for discussion and I think I will start on this one. 1601 02:15:47,920 --> 02:15:50,920 Um, 1602 02:15:51,679 --> 02:15:58,639 I'm all for bike boulevards and I'm all for traffic circles and I 1603 02:15:56,800 --> 02:16:03,280 think this traffic circle has achieved its 1604 02:16:00,239 --> 02:16:08,000 purpose of slowing traffic down. Um, so I believe all the data. I also 1605 02:16:05,679 --> 02:16:12,880 believe that it fits the specs. I trust the city that the specifications are 1606 02:16:10,000 --> 02:16:19,040 correct. I also walk down Third Street every day of my life. Sometimes 1607 02:16:17,119 --> 02:16:22,480 almost every day I've recognized a lot of the faces in the crowd. I'm the one 1608 02:16:20,560 --> 02:16:28,679 that's walking really quick with quickly with my dog. It's pretty much the only 1609 02:16:23,920 --> 02:16:28,679 exercise I get. Um 1610 02:16:28,800 --> 02:16:35,599 I think on paper it checks the boxes, but it doesn't pass the eye test. Every 1611 02:16:33,120 --> 02:16:39,840 time I walk down Third Street, I walk on the 1612 02:16:37,200 --> 02:16:43,840 east side. So I'm going to call it the Whole Food side. Um I walk back and 1613 02:16:42,000 --> 02:16:49,519 forth every like I said every day except for when I'm walking down um Mallet 1614 02:16:45,920 --> 02:16:55,599 Mallet and Frier Creek and um one thing that I noticed is that when I'm crossing 1615 02:16:52,639 --> 02:17:01,760 Perkins on the third street side I have to stop at the corner and Miss Farmer 1616 02:16:57,439 --> 02:17:06,719 said unpredictable interactions. So, I have to stop. I stop and I don't know 1617 02:17:04,479 --> 02:17:10,559 what the cars that are driving straight. I don't know what they're going to do 1618 02:17:07,599 --> 02:17:13,760 because no matter what, they're going to have to make a veering movement. And 1619 02:17:12,160 --> 02:17:16,719 anybody who's a police officer in this room knows that sometimes people don't 1620 02:17:15,280 --> 02:17:22,719 use their turn signal. So, you can't trust them. We can't prevent everything. 1621 02:17:20,719 --> 02:17:27,359 I know stop signs aren't always the solution. I do think traffic circles are 1622 02:17:25,200 --> 02:17:32,639 a progressive way of looking at this, but this one doesn't pass my test. I 1623 02:17:29,920 --> 02:17:38,080 want to trust the process and I want to see this come to fruition. I don't know 1624 02:17:34,399 --> 02:17:42,240 if this is it. Um I during the week I'm walking just 1625 02:17:40,399 --> 02:17:44,639 myself and my dog, but on the weekends it's my wife and my daughters. And 1626 02:17:43,519 --> 02:17:48,080 pretty soon my daughter's going to be going to school because we live right by 1627 02:17:46,479 --> 02:17:51,280 the hospital and they go to St. Francis and they're going to be walking and 1628 02:17:49,120 --> 02:17:56,719 riding their bikes. And just that intersection alone, I don't feel like 1629 02:17:53,280 --> 02:18:01,599 this is the perfect solution. Um so I'm all for alternative solutions. I'm not 1630 02:17:58,479 --> 02:18:06,960 completely out on it, but I'm fairly close to out on it. Um, I think there 1631 02:18:03,840 --> 02:18:10,080 are better options. Um, I do know what Mr. Woodcock is saying about stop signs, 1632 02:18:08,719 --> 02:18:13,760 stop signs, stop signs. We as a committee know that they aren't act the 1633 02:18:11,679 --> 02:18:19,519 the true solution, but maybe in this case it might be. And in terms of 1634 02:18:17,760 --> 02:18:24,559 people not seeing pedestrians, bicyclists, 1635 02:18:21,519 --> 02:18:28,880 part of the goal is to make this a bicycle and pedestrian more safe 1636 02:18:26,399 --> 02:18:32,719 corridor to get people off of Broadway, Second Street, whatever it might be. So, 1637 02:18:31,439 --> 02:18:36,559 I'm all for the project. I think the project is a great idea. I support it 1638 02:18:34,800 --> 02:18:42,880 completely. Um, but I don't know if the traffic 1639 02:18:38,960 --> 02:18:47,120 circle is the right answer, and I really really interested in alternatives. 1640 02:18:45,840 --> 02:18:51,200 And that's that's all I'm going to say for right now. 1641 02:18:49,519 --> 02:18:55,120 » I have to agree with you, Adam. I don't have a dog in a fight. I don't live in 1642 02:18:52,639 --> 02:19:01,200 the area. Um, but you have to listen to the neighbors. And I think an element 1643 02:18:58,000 --> 02:19:04,719 that hasn't been brought up is one, the key thing that jumps out at me is the 1644 02:19:02,800 --> 02:19:10,240 hospital. You're going to get people, regardless of what's their four-way stop 1645 02:19:06,800 --> 02:19:13,439 sign or the calming circle, they're going to rush to that hospital to meet 1646 02:19:11,840 --> 02:19:17,599 their loved ones who's in the hospital. they're going to speed no matter what. 1647 02:19:15,519 --> 02:19:23,319 Um, I kind of agree with you. I think we should slow it down a little bit and 1648 02:19:18,880 --> 02:19:23,319 kind of reconsider an alternative. 1649 02:19:26,719 --> 02:19:36,240 » I you guys have heard me, you guys haven't. No big deal. Um, the we've as a 1650 02:19:33,920 --> 02:19:43,519 community face really significant infrastructure challenges uh because uh 1651 02:19:40,800 --> 02:19:49,680 because we're just we grow more The state of California has legislated 1652 02:19:45,840 --> 02:19:55,359 that we have more housing. That's fair. Uh people who work in our neighborhood 1653 02:19:53,920 --> 02:20:00,160 deserve to try to live in our neighborhood. Uh but when there's a 1654 02:19:58,000 --> 02:20:04,880 restricted number of houses, the cost goes up. We see what happens. 1655 02:20:02,800 --> 02:20:11,240 um most of the infrastructure of Sonoma was 1656 02:20:08,240 --> 02:20:11,240 created 1657 02:20:11,680 --> 02:20:20,640 70 or 80 years ago uh Napa Street for example was probably 500 cars, 300, 200 1658 02:20:18,960 --> 02:20:29,040 cars a day when people were just going over to Thornsbury and Levelvel Valley 1659 02:20:24,000 --> 02:20:35,120 uh road. Um and and and we see that uh throughout as they added uh I think it's 1660 02:20:32,960 --> 02:20:42,080 15 houses by Denova on the corner of Fifth Street West. And you know, if you 1661 02:20:38,800 --> 02:20:46,880 give every house two cars, that's 30 more cars for that corner. There's 1662 02:20:44,880 --> 02:20:52,319 strong consideration for a project on Napa Road and Fifth Street East. 50 plus 1663 02:20:49,920 --> 02:20:57,120 homes plus potential uh businesses. So, you're 1664 02:20:55,280 --> 02:21:01,840 looking at a situation where there are going to be another at least a hundred 1665 02:20:59,200 --> 02:21:08,000 cars in that particular area. We're going to continue to have increased 1666 02:21:04,880 --> 02:21:12,319 traffic. Um, one thing that's obvious to all of us up here because we hear it 1667 02:21:10,319 --> 02:21:17,760 every time, people don't pay too much attention to 1668 02:21:14,880 --> 02:21:23,439 the stop signs. people speed in my neighborhood. It's a drag race when 1669 02:21:20,720 --> 02:21:29,439 people leave a stop sign. Uh the chief has explained to us that 1670 02:21:26,319 --> 02:21:35,840 people who live in the neighborhood take stop signs as suggestions. People who 1671 02:21:33,120 --> 02:21:43,600 don't live in the neighborhood tend to go quite fast through it. Um 1672 02:21:39,760 --> 02:21:49,760 my comment uh earlier this evening was that I was mesmerized by the traffic 1673 02:21:46,960 --> 02:21:57,040 calming effect that this traffic circle has on that intersection. Um 1674 02:21:54,399 --> 02:22:04,080 I know there are problems. I know there are traffic scoff laws. Uh when you look 1675 02:22:00,479 --> 02:22:11,040 at Fifth Street East and uh East Napa Street, 1676 02:22:08,319 --> 02:22:15,200 many people don't bother to worry about the the the traffic tables and they 1677 02:22:13,439 --> 02:22:18,479 drive through it like there are lemons and they only accelerate in either 1678 02:22:16,960 --> 02:22:25,680 direction. Um we we'll never eliminate scoff laws. 1679 02:22:22,880 --> 02:22:31,920 That's why we have police. Um, 1680 02:22:27,600 --> 02:22:40,000 I I saw a man pushing a baby in a wheelch in a in a wagon. I saw a woman 1681 02:22:35,520 --> 02:22:45,439 with a walker cross over Perkins. Um, I saw the the FedEx truck making its 1682 02:22:42,160 --> 02:22:51,120 deliveries. I saw Sonoma Transit making safe trans transit through the traffic 1683 02:22:47,920 --> 02:22:55,680 circle. Uh, traffic circles 1684 02:22:54,160 --> 02:23:01,920 have You can look it up. Traffic circles have 1685 02:22:58,479 --> 02:23:06,640 an astounding success rate on making traffic calmer. 1686 02:23:04,240 --> 02:23:11,520 We need collectively without any hesitation calmer traffic throughout 1687 02:23:09,200 --> 02:23:17,840 Soma. This is the first chance of that. 1688 02:23:14,479 --> 02:23:22,319 Uh, and I think when you look at on the east side, 1689 02:23:20,000 --> 02:23:28,319 there are 17 intersections on the east side that are controlled by a stop sign. 1690 02:23:26,640 --> 02:23:32,399 People don't stop at them quite frequently. On the corner of Second 1691 02:23:30,479 --> 02:23:39,520 Street East and Patton there in one of the concerns, 1692 02:23:36,479 --> 02:23:43,960 the traffic hazard concern, people just drive right through that. They don't 1693 02:23:40,960 --> 02:23:43,960 stop. 1694 02:23:44,319 --> 02:23:49,920 Um, I don't I don't have a horse in it 1695 02:23:48,479 --> 02:23:55,040 either. I don't live in the neighborhood. I see it as a really 1696 02:23:52,240 --> 02:23:59,200 valuable valid way to make 1697 02:23:57,200 --> 02:24:03,040 and it's proven just simply by the numbers. It's been difficult to see what 1698 02:24:01,040 --> 02:24:09,520 happens with other numbers, but if you've taken a top speed of 35 and 1699 02:24:06,560 --> 02:24:14,800 reduced it to 29, I think is what it was. about a 25% 1700 02:24:12,960 --> 02:24:20,240 uh reduction in in top speed. That's a terrific 1701 02:24:18,000 --> 02:24:26,000 number. Um is it 1702 02:24:23,680 --> 02:24:31,840 absolutely perfect? No. Nothing ever will be. We can go live on 10 acres of 1703 02:24:29,040 --> 02:24:40,000 of property and be by ourselves and that's it. But we live in a community. 1704 02:24:34,800 --> 02:24:44,479 Um I I hear you. You don't like it. you're you're outraged by it in many 1705 02:24:41,920 --> 02:24:51,280 cases. I feel you. Uh I I'm not convinced. In 1706 02:24:48,880 --> 02:24:56,880 fact, I'm certain stop signs are not an answer. Uh I'm not certain people are 1707 02:24:55,040 --> 02:25:05,359 going to be thrilled with a a third or a fourth set of bumps either. Um, but I I 1708 02:25:00,399 --> 02:25:13,280 think this is the first move the city of Soma has made to make our community 1709 02:25:10,960 --> 02:25:19,319 calmer with traffic. And I'm all about traffic calming, not 1710 02:25:15,920 --> 02:25:19,319 traffic stopping. 1711 02:25:26,399 --> 02:25:33,840 Um, I just I don't want to belabor this anymore. We have I just want to first 1712 02:25:31,600 --> 02:25:39,040 and foremost thank all of you for coming today. Um, regardless of your stance, 1713 02:25:37,040 --> 02:25:43,200 whether you're pro or con for what's happening. Um, it takes a lot for a 1714 02:25:41,359 --> 02:25:47,439 community to get involved and to voice your opinion and for the petitions and 1715 02:25:45,200 --> 02:25:52,080 whatnot. Um, so we hear you loud and clear on both sides. I also want to 1716 02:25:49,920 --> 02:25:56,479 thank the city. I know, Ashley, that presentation is extensive. Um, and so 1717 02:25:55,040 --> 02:26:00,800 the level of detail that you put into that today is very helpful. Um, I think 1718 02:25:59,359 --> 02:26:05,760 there's two things that I want to point out. One, we have a we have a bigger um 1719 02:26:04,160 --> 02:26:10,720 issue at hand. And I think this is what our committee is here to do is to really 1720 02:26:07,920 --> 02:26:17,040 take a look at how do we how do we address the issues of speed, right? And 1721 02:26:13,920 --> 02:26:22,720 and and the fact that people need to get around. I'm a mom of two kids. um both 1722 02:26:20,000 --> 02:26:25,920 of them just started riding bikes and I get nervous in certain areas of Sonoma 1723 02:26:24,800 --> 02:26:30,880 because I don't know if they're going to, you know, I I don't want to be the 1724 02:26:28,000 --> 02:26:35,680 one to receive that phone call. Um so I do think that there's things that we do 1725 02:26:32,080 --> 02:26:39,439 need to look at a higher level. Um I also am not a fan of putting stop signs 1726 02:26:37,840 --> 02:26:46,080 everywhere, but it does make sense in certain places. I don't support um the 1727 02:26:43,600 --> 02:26:50,000 traffic calming circle, not a roundabout, but I I'm not in support in 1728 02:26:48,240 --> 02:26:55,600 this specific location. I think that we should look into other alternatives, but 1729 02:26:53,280 --> 02:27:01,040 if it does make sense for other parts of Soma, clearly the statistics are there, 1730 02:26:58,080 --> 02:27:07,880 but it is it serves a purpose. Um so, I'm happy to look into other um 1731 02:27:04,080 --> 02:27:07,880 initiatives around that. 1732 02:27:10,880 --> 02:27:21,359 So maybe I'm a bit naive around this, but I'm wanting to believe that the 1733 02:27:17,040 --> 02:27:25,920 permanent circle will which look which is very different than the what's there 1734 02:27:23,359 --> 02:27:31,359 now. It's visually different uh structurally different um that 1735 02:27:29,359 --> 02:27:38,800 somehow that's going to make a difference. Um, I'm very familiar with 1736 02:27:35,200 --> 02:27:43,200 res traffic circles in uh residential neighborhoods. I worked in Berkeley for 1737 02:27:40,720 --> 02:27:48,319 35 years. You want to talk about trafficcoming measures drive through 1738 02:27:44,960 --> 02:27:52,240 Berkeley? Um, they've tried everything. Uh, some of it has worked, some of it 1739 02:27:50,160 --> 02:27:57,439 hasn't worked, but there's lots of traffic circles in Berkeley 1740 02:27:54,240 --> 02:28:04,640 neighborhoods and it's effective. And I don't I I guess what what I'm a little 1741 02:27:59,680 --> 02:28:10,319 confused about is the comments about vehicles not being able to traverse that 1742 02:28:07,680 --> 02:28:15,680 area. It seems like if it's been engineered that 1743 02:28:13,040 --> 02:28:20,960 that should be already have taken into a consideration that there would be 1744 02:28:17,680 --> 02:28:26,640 problems actually making the turns. I'm a little bit confused how that could be 1745 02:28:24,240 --> 02:28:31,840 if in fact there is enough area to put that in there. So, um, but I've heard 1746 02:28:29,600 --> 02:28:36,240 those comments and you I believe you know you've had you've witnessed it 1747 02:28:33,359 --> 02:28:40,479 happening and you've have videos showing it. But anyway, so that's where I'm at. 1748 02:28:37,920 --> 02:28:47,520 I'm not totally sure that it isn't the right 1749 02:28:45,040 --> 02:28:54,640 area because I think it's been studied and I think the argument for where it is 1750 02:28:49,760 --> 02:28:59,439 makes sense, but um I'm also open to to considering the fact that maybe it 1751 02:28:56,319 --> 02:29:02,920 isn't. Um so those are just my my thoughts right now. 1752 02:29:05,280 --> 02:29:13,280 I think the biggest thing that I'm taking into consideration here and 1753 02:29:09,280 --> 02:29:18,319 trying to kind of digest is the the difference of 34 miles an hour in 1754 02:29:15,439 --> 02:29:22,000 the 85th percentile to 29. Um, 1755 02:29:20,000 --> 02:29:26,560 sure it's 5 miles an hour different and we're slowing things down and that 1756 02:29:24,560 --> 02:29:32,640 likely would increase with the additional um cushions and things like 1757 02:29:29,680 --> 02:29:37,920 that, but adding the potential pedestrian 1758 02:29:34,240 --> 02:29:43,200 or um bicycle conflict at that intersection 1759 02:29:39,600 --> 02:29:48,720 um is pretty concerning to me. I've seen firsthand 1760 02:29:44,720 --> 02:29:57,359 all of the potential collisions that could occur. Um, and I don't think that 1761 02:29:52,960 --> 02:30:03,040 getting hit on a bicycle at 35 or 34 miles an hour versus 29 is going to make 1762 02:29:59,680 --> 02:30:08,880 a huge difference. Um, but increasing the potential likelihood of a conflict 1763 02:30:06,240 --> 02:30:17,760 at the intersection is what I see as the biggest um, threat. And uh as Chair 1764 02:30:13,280 --> 02:30:24,000 Lobinger said um just the unpredictability of is this person's 1765 02:30:20,399 --> 02:30:29,920 turning movement because they intend to turn right here or is it that they're 1766 02:30:26,560 --> 02:30:36,479 navigating the circle? um the the stuff that I've seen um intersections, whether 1767 02:30:32,880 --> 02:30:44,000 it be vehicle ped or what um or vehicle bike, um that tends to be where the 1768 02:30:40,240 --> 02:30:50,800 worst outcomes are for the pedestrians. Um and so I I that's what I'm kind of uh 1769 02:30:48,640 --> 02:30:56,240 struggling with on this circle is I think that it potentially introduces 1770 02:30:53,359 --> 02:30:59,240 conflict um where currently there is no conflict. 1771 02:31:04,720 --> 02:31:11,280 Yeah. What what what I'm getting is earlier I mentioned I don't know if it 1772 02:31:10,000 --> 02:31:17,040 was me, it could have been someone else. Um we're talking about Malay Street and 1773 02:31:13,359 --> 02:31:24,479 the and the the data does not support traffic calming measures, but when you 1774 02:31:20,319 --> 02:31:28,960 look at the non-data side, it does. this to me 1775 02:31:27,200 --> 02:31:35,359 the data does support having a traffic circle in here. 1776 02:31:31,120 --> 02:31:41,359 So, but the eye test it it's just not passing for me. And and I I know Mark 1777 02:31:39,359 --> 02:31:46,000 just kind of said the same said what I and I'm going to say it again. It's that 1778 02:31:43,040 --> 02:31:50,640 unpredictability because yeah, you get hit by a car at 35 versus 1779 02:31:48,640 --> 02:31:54,960 29. Okay, maybe there's a slight difference, but 1780 02:31:52,720 --> 02:31:59,040 it's you're trading the trade-off is you're increasing for a greater 1781 02:31:56,640 --> 02:32:04,399 likelihood of something going wrong. And that's whether minor or not. I don't 1782 02:32:01,840 --> 02:32:11,280 want any I I don't want any collisions right there. And um 1783 02:32:08,800 --> 02:32:16,479 I'm just I'm going to say it looks on paper it's working, but I don't think 1784 02:32:14,000 --> 02:32:23,280 this is the solution. Again, I'm not 100% out on it, but I think for our 1785 02:32:19,680 --> 02:32:26,399 committee for tonight, we're supposed to come up with some resolution or 1786 02:32:24,800 --> 02:32:31,760 recommendation, but I think we've all sort of landed on I think we should come 1787 02:32:28,880 --> 02:32:35,760 back next time with some recommendations because I would venture a guess that 1788 02:32:34,240 --> 02:32:39,760 we're going to lean towards not having a permanent traffic circle there. So, that 1789 02:32:37,760 --> 02:32:43,920 would be my recommendation for right now. 1790 02:32:41,760 --> 02:32:47,840 » Thank you, Chair Lozinger. Um I just wanted to quickly clarify that the um 1791 02:32:46,319 --> 02:32:52,479 recommendation tonight was to provide feedback. We'll take that feedback back 1792 02:32:49,680 --> 02:32:57,120 in informed design. This is um we are nearing nine o'clock and um there has to 1793 02:32:55,520 --> 02:33:00,000 be an agreement amongst all of you that to continue on. We do have two 1794 02:32:58,399 --> 02:33:04,720 additional items. One of which is a capital projects update with the 90% 1795 02:33:02,319 --> 02:33:09,760 plan set for this and it also gives the team an opportunity to form an ad hoc. 1796 02:33:07,040 --> 02:33:15,439 Um delaying it until November for the overall project. Again, this is one 1797 02:33:11,280 --> 02:33:25,200 element of the overall project is um not favorable. Just throwing that out there. 1798 02:33:20,479 --> 02:33:31,840 So just to clarify the if we were to look at alterations of the current plan 1799 02:33:29,439 --> 02:33:37,520 um probably the best route would be ad hoc and that can be an interactive 1800 02:33:34,000 --> 02:33:47,240 process with GHD both Frank and the project manager and then come up with 1801 02:33:40,880 --> 02:33:47,240 some potential options for uh November. 1802 02:33:47,280 --> 02:33:53,840 No, more along the lines of we've heard a couple of suggestions tonight. 1803 02:33:51,760 --> 02:34:00,640 We could have GHD draw something up, present that to the ad hoc, and if it 1804 02:33:56,560 --> 02:34:04,240 passes the test of basically what we heard tonight and the ad hoc favors it, 1805 02:34:03,040 --> 02:34:09,160 we're going to make the changes to design and keep moving the project 1806 02:34:06,160 --> 02:34:09,160 forward. 1807 02:34:10,640 --> 02:34:15,600 » Yeah, I'm keeping an eye on the on the clock, too. And I know that we still 1808 02:34:14,080 --> 02:34:22,479 have more items to go over. So, I'm all for um creating an ad hoc and 1809 02:34:20,080 --> 02:34:26,720 moving on to the next item. >> We can do that. Um just for as you guys 1810 02:34:25,280 --> 02:34:29,760 figure out who wants to be on the ad hoc, which usually would take place 1811 02:34:27,920 --> 02:34:33,280 after you establish the ad hoc within this item. Just please keep in mind it's 1812 02:34:31,920 --> 02:34:37,040 probably gonna we were going to want to have to have the ad hoc happen 1813 02:34:35,840 --> 02:34:39,200 » sooner than later. >> Yes. 1814 02:34:37,359 --> 02:34:43,280 » Yeah. >> Okay. Uh do we I forget. Do we need a 1815 02:34:41,120 --> 02:34:47,920 formal motion for an ad hoc? >> No. 1816 02:34:44,319 --> 02:34:51,280 » No. So you can just choose to and then volunteer. 1817 02:34:48,640 --> 02:34:55,280 » Okay. I'm choosing to do an ad hoc and I will be the first volunteer. 1818 02:34:54,000 --> 02:35:00,800 » Hobby two. >> Hobby three. 1819 02:34:58,240 --> 02:35:04,880 » So that was Adam, Greg, and Peter. >> Oh, I can I would be hobby two. 1820 02:35:04,560 --> 02:35:07,439 » Yeah, >> we can't have four. We can only have 1821 02:35:06,399 --> 02:35:12,359 three. >> So 1822 02:35:09,359 --> 02:35:12,359 » Okay. 1823 02:35:17,520 --> 02:35:23,200 Um, what's the easiest way to solve a We 1824 02:35:21,040 --> 02:35:26,960 want three people. >> Yeah, I'm I'm 1825 02:35:25,359 --> 02:35:30,640 » do it on Saturday. If you do it on a Saturday, I'm it. I just went back to 1826 02:35:28,319 --> 02:35:32,800 work full-time. >> Jay, don't 1827 02:35:31,200 --> 02:35:38,680 » I can't take days off for a year. >> Some of us are more relaxed about that. 1828 02:35:34,960 --> 02:35:38,680 I'm available anytime. 1829 02:35:41,760 --> 02:35:54,800 So, um, I'll just address like I I think that having the ad hoc make the final 1830 02:35:51,520 --> 02:36:03,359 decision on what the alterations would be, um, I think that is a disservice to 1831 02:36:00,560 --> 02:36:09,520 the committee as a whole and the process as well as uh the public. 1832 02:36:06,800 --> 02:36:15,520 um just in the interest of having an open meeting and um I think ad hocs are 1833 02:36:13,680 --> 02:36:26,479 obviously a great tool for getting things done, but um my concern is that 1834 02:36:22,080 --> 02:36:34,000 it defeats the purpose of open meeting and that kind of interactive process and 1835 02:36:31,200 --> 02:36:43,840 also shuts three of the committee members out of a very um 1836 02:36:39,200 --> 02:36:53,040 you know interactive item um probably one of the most that we've had in recent 1837 02:36:47,359 --> 02:36:59,200 time. So um that's my only concern um with with not bringing it back in 1838 02:36:55,600 --> 02:37:03,600 November. We're talking about you know a couple of months and we don't have to 1839 02:37:01,280 --> 02:37:07,680 spend the money right away >> as was said earlier but 1840 02:37:06,240 --> 02:37:10,240 If we're talking about a minor alteration, 1841 02:37:09,040 --> 02:37:12,960 » if I could jump in real quick. We've done it once with this issue already. 1842 02:37:11,600 --> 02:37:16,960 I'm happy to do it again. A special meeting 1843 02:37:15,280 --> 02:37:20,560 if because it seems like a lot of people want to be involved. Three might not be 1844 02:37:18,640 --> 02:37:23,359 enough. And it will will it be a final product with an ad hoc? I think we would 1845 02:37:22,080 --> 02:37:27,680 still have to vote on as a committee, but I would say a special meeting. 1846 02:37:26,319 --> 02:37:32,399 » Does it does it make a difference? I mean, we all want to be there. So, can 1847 02:37:29,840 --> 02:37:34,720 we all meet or does it need to be public here? 1848 02:37:32,720 --> 02:37:39,120 » It needs to be public. It needs to be public. So it's either ad hoc and advise 1849 02:37:36,720 --> 02:37:46,080 or special meeting among all of us. >> Um I think the the the reason in terms 1850 02:37:43,439 --> 02:37:49,359 of delaying the um Okay, let me go back. As we've discussed before, this is part 1851 02:37:47,680 --> 02:37:55,280 of a larger project, right? This is one element of one element of a project, an 1852 02:37:52,080 --> 02:38:00,560 overall project that is being funded by Sonoma County Transit Agency as 1853 02:37:57,120 --> 02:38:07,040 construction. Um and so that is the interest of moving the whole project 1854 02:38:02,640 --> 02:38:11,680 forward. Um, not being able to present and bid a final plan set puts us at a 1855 02:38:10,160 --> 02:38:14,640 disadvantage. Um, and so I'll just leave you with 1856 02:38:13,600 --> 02:38:21,120 that. Can >> Can we do an ad hoc and then come back 1857 02:38:17,520 --> 02:38:25,600 with a special meeting? >> Yeah, that can happen. uh regarding a 1858 02:38:23,840 --> 02:38:31,600 special meeting. One of the things that we could do is we 1859 02:38:27,600 --> 02:38:35,439 could put together a draft set of plans to present a couple of the alternatives 1860 02:38:33,439 --> 02:38:39,680 that have been discussed tonight, present that to an ad hoc and then 1861 02:38:37,680 --> 02:38:45,680 basically present that in a special meeting in the short term. 1862 02:38:43,920 --> 02:38:48,319 I mean, I would say if we're going to do a special meeting, I would eliminate the 1863 02:38:46,960 --> 02:38:52,560 ad hoc. I I don't know what kind of time the city needs for us to have a meeting 1864 02:38:50,080 --> 02:38:57,120 and I don't know how much time uh public works and the design engineers we to put 1865 02:38:54,640 --> 02:39:02,080 together a couple of alternatives but if we can do let's say it's a month you 1866 02:39:00,399 --> 02:39:07,319 know because time is of the essence I think an ad hoc and a special meeting is 1867 02:39:03,840 --> 02:39:07,319 a little too repetitive. 1868 02:39:12,560 --> 02:39:19,760 » Yeah. as part of um just throwing some different options around. We did put a 1869 02:39:17,040 --> 02:39:25,680 plan together tonight. We could present that plan. It's a draft, but it includes 1870 02:39:23,120 --> 02:39:29,520 a couple of the different options that we discussed tonight. And if we can get 1871 02:39:27,280 --> 02:39:35,280 consensus right now, we go ahead and do that. 1872 02:39:32,479 --> 02:39:40,319 » I'm okay with that. And as far as a nine o'clock thing, 1873 02:39:37,280 --> 02:39:45,359 that's if you guys agree to do any new things after 9, it's all dependent on 1874 02:39:43,120 --> 02:39:50,000 you guys voting on that. It's not like nine o'clock we're done. It's up to you 1875 02:39:47,600 --> 02:39:53,319 guys. But I also realize everybody's had a long day. 1876 02:39:54,000 --> 02:40:01,280 » H how long, Ashley? How long would it take to present these options? 1877 02:39:58,720 --> 02:40:05,439 » It's up right now, so no problem. This >> It's It's up on the screen. I don't 1878 02:40:03,680 --> 02:40:09,920 recognize that though. Can you go down? >> Yeah. 1879 02:40:08,000 --> 02:40:16,800 » Yeah. So, here's one of the alternatives that we discussed tonight, which was 1880 02:40:12,240 --> 02:40:21,120 four-way stop control at both Andros. On the bottom slide there, we've got the 1881 02:40:19,040 --> 02:40:27,920 Benton Court intersection with the crosswalk upgrades and a four-way stop. 1882 02:40:24,640 --> 02:40:32,000 And then the match line on the left hand side of that lower sheet connects with 1883 02:40:29,439 --> 02:40:37,280 the right hand side of the upper sheet. The next street up is Andros and there's 1884 02:40:34,319 --> 02:40:42,560 a four-way stop represented there along with Continental Crosswalks. 1885 02:40:40,080 --> 02:40:46,160 Then you have the Perkins intersection that's currently there. And I just want 1886 02:40:44,000 --> 02:40:50,560 to be really clear about the Perkins intersection. The red striping that's 1887 02:40:48,080 --> 02:40:56,399 shown there, that's not taking away any parking that isn't consistently already 1888 02:40:52,960 --> 02:41:00,240 taken away with state law AB13 413. And any cars that are parked there are all 1889 02:40:58,399 --> 02:41:05,840 sightable whether the curb is red or not. And if we painted all the red curbs 1890 02:41:03,120 --> 02:41:08,720 in the city where there was no parking, we'd have a guy full-time painting those 1891 02:41:07,439 --> 02:41:12,399 curbs all year round like the Golden Gate Bridge. 1892 02:41:10,000 --> 02:41:15,600 » So the the whole argument that we're taking away parking, 1893 02:41:13,840 --> 02:41:18,479 » there's no parking being taken away. >> Okay. 1894 02:41:16,000 --> 02:41:26,160 » Those red those red marked cars at Perkins and Third are no parking zones 1895 02:41:22,640 --> 02:41:30,640 by AB 413. And it's ticketable whether it's red striped or not. It's just we 1896 02:41:28,880 --> 02:41:34,479 don't have time to write tickets. And we also don't have time to paint all these 1897 02:41:32,399 --> 02:41:41,359 corners red and red stripe them and maintain the striping. So then as you go 1898 02:41:37,280 --> 02:41:47,439 up to the north, you're getting to Vna Street and that is where the third speed 1899 02:41:45,200 --> 02:41:50,399 cushion would be. And these plans haven't been 100% 1900 02:41:49,439 --> 02:41:54,560 vetted, >> but this concept has been vetted and 1901 02:41:52,960 --> 02:41:59,680 we've discussed it with the traffic engineers 1902 02:41:56,080 --> 02:42:02,680 and it is an alternative to the traffic circle. 1903 02:42:05,280 --> 02:42:09,920 » How many sets of speed bumps? >> Total of three currently in the plan 1904 02:42:08,240 --> 02:42:17,280 set. There's two right now. Right. And those two are shown uh actually 1905 02:42:13,760 --> 02:42:21,680 yeah one is shown they're at church in between Napa and Spain Street. 1906 02:42:20,080 --> 02:42:26,240 » No that's okay. And then the third one is south of Napa Street. 1907 02:42:24,479 --> 02:42:30,800 And those two speed cushions that are on Third Street that are north of Perkins 1908 02:42:28,479 --> 02:42:35,600 are about symmetrical to where you're dividing it up into thirds. What would 1909 02:42:34,319 --> 02:42:40,800 » in between Perkins? >> A fourth 1910 02:42:36,319 --> 02:42:45,439 » in between Perkins and Napa Street. >> Was there a fourth Christian? No. 1911 02:42:43,280 --> 02:42:49,399 » Suggestion? No. Okay. I thought someone >> Well, not not in this alternative. 1912 02:42:51,200 --> 02:43:01,439 » And this is this is an alternative that hasn't really been tested. I mean, it's 1913 02:42:57,280 --> 02:43:05,920 just we're not we we're not necessarily in the business of testing things that 1914 02:43:03,520 --> 02:43:10,720 we're about to implement. Okay. We put in temporary speed cushions on Napa 1915 02:43:08,800 --> 02:43:16,399 Street by the Catholic Cemetery at Fifth Street East. Those are still in today. 1916 02:43:13,840 --> 02:43:21,120 We're going to be finalizing the the keeping those in. But bottom line, we're 1917 02:43:19,520 --> 02:43:25,280 not going to spend a whole lot of time putting in temporary speed bumps. We're 1918 02:43:23,120 --> 02:43:28,800 going to vet the location and then we're going to put the speed bumps in. The 1919 02:43:27,120 --> 02:43:32,960 traffic circle was something completely different. And the reason that we put it 1920 02:43:31,040 --> 02:43:37,520 in was we wanted to give everybody the opportunity to see what it looked like 1921 02:43:34,800 --> 02:43:41,280 to test it out and to give comment. And I think it was super successful on that. 1922 02:43:40,000 --> 02:43:46,240 This is the most people we've had at a traffic safety meeting in a long time. 1923 02:43:44,240 --> 02:43:49,840 And and we appreciate that. And we appreciate all your time tonight and we 1924 02:43:47,840 --> 02:43:54,640 appreciate all your comments and all the time that you spent on that. And I mean, 1925 02:43:52,479 --> 02:44:00,479 we appreciate it. That's that's from the heart. And basically though, um, we're 1926 02:43:58,000 --> 02:44:04,720 not looking at if we put another speed circle in, darn right, we're putting a 1927 02:44:02,399 --> 02:44:07,680 temporary one in first because we want the input from the public. We want to 1928 02:44:06,479 --> 02:44:11,760 see how this thing works with our own two eyes. I've spent time out there. 1929 02:44:10,080 --> 02:44:17,359 I've watched the videos. I've read all the correspondence that's come in and 1930 02:44:15,040 --> 02:44:22,080 I've I've listened and I've heard and but the bottom line is that something 1931 02:44:19,920 --> 02:44:25,520 like a traffic circle, you have to put up a temporary. If we're going to 1932 02:44:24,000 --> 02:44:28,960 propose to put a speed bump somewhere, we're going to put it in 1933 02:44:27,760 --> 02:44:33,120 and we're going to vet the location prior to doing that 1934 02:44:31,760 --> 02:44:40,399 and it's going to be in response to people wanting it like on Malay. 1935 02:44:36,560 --> 02:44:44,160 So this this type of a scenario we have discussed extensively with the design 1936 02:44:42,399 --> 02:44:48,560 engineer and the traffic engineer that are both here tonight 1937 02:44:46,399 --> 02:44:53,680 and we can take further comments or questions about these and we've already 1938 02:44:51,840 --> 02:44:58,399 vetted the fact that we believe this is going to have a similar effect and based 1939 02:44:56,160 --> 02:45:03,680 on what I've heard tonight I think that Andrews is a candidate for a four-way 1940 02:45:00,399 --> 02:45:07,680 stop regardless of what because when you know people are going there and you're 1941 02:45:05,520 --> 02:45:12,800 not sure if the car stopping or slowing or going through the dip that that 1942 02:45:11,120 --> 02:45:19,279 that's an issue and I've heard that and we have a similar situation at Benton 1943 02:45:14,319 --> 02:45:22,720 Court and so um I feel like uh based on the 1944 02:45:21,279 --> 02:45:28,000 discussion I've had with the project engineers, the traffic engineer, the 1945 02:45:25,040 --> 02:45:32,399 design team at public works, I'm comfortable moving this forward as the 1946 02:45:30,399 --> 02:45:38,240 item for the traffic safety committee to approve or to make a recommendation on 1947 02:45:35,600 --> 02:45:44,800 or actually give me feedback. >> Uh, can you go ahead? 1948 02:45:39,920 --> 02:45:53,160 » Sorry. Um, can you show us the um Andrix and Bettton Court uh mockup in the this 1949 02:45:49,439 --> 02:45:53,160 proposed plan. 1950 02:45:53,600 --> 02:46:02,640 » This is Andrix. And then this is this is Benton Court, right? Yeah. 1951 02:46:00,160 --> 02:46:08,160 Can I ask why there's only marked crosswalk on Betton Court and Andrew are 1952 02:46:04,640 --> 02:46:13,279 only three and not four? Frank anticipated my question. 1953 02:46:10,000 --> 02:46:19,279 » Yeah. So, um that's because of the ditch itself. It's concrete and thermoplastic, 1954 02:46:17,279 --> 02:46:22,319 even paint doesn't stick to concrete, especially when it's going to carry 1955 02:46:20,479 --> 02:46:27,760 water. Um, so state law doesn't preclude 1956 02:46:25,439 --> 02:46:33,200 somebody from using a marked versus an unmarked crosswalk. 1957 02:46:30,399 --> 02:46:36,880 Um, not marking it doesn't mean somebody can't cross there. The preference would 1958 02:46:35,359 --> 02:46:39,680 be to use the marked crosswalks. As we've heard through public comment, 1959 02:46:38,160 --> 02:46:47,279 people want something that they can actually see and utilize. um if again 1960 02:46:44,080 --> 02:46:53,439 not fully you know vetted is do we need to put signs up that now say that is not 1961 02:46:50,479 --> 02:46:58,479 a crosswalk and and I'm hesitant to do that but that would be the alternative 1962 02:46:56,319 --> 02:47:04,160 is that it's not marked and it's not a crosswalk or it's not marked because it 1963 02:47:01,359 --> 02:47:09,120 would just fall apart and it is still a crosswalk. It's the allway stop that's 1964 02:47:06,000 --> 02:47:13,520 really we wouldn't uh for instance you don't mark for the crosswalk with 1965 02:47:10,640 --> 02:47:16,640 warning signs when it's an allway stop because the stop control is the control 1966 02:47:16,000 --> 02:47:22,560 you guys >> but there'll be a limit line 1967 02:47:20,399 --> 02:47:27,279 stop legend there'd be a sign yeah anything inside the limit line would be 1968 02:47:24,319 --> 02:47:33,359 the crossing area the cross well even think about this way the gutters often 1969 02:47:29,760 --> 02:47:37,120 look like a crosswalk right >> so what you're saying is if we move 1970 02:47:35,200 --> 02:47:41,479 forward with this I would have to walk on the west side of Third Street. 1971 02:47:42,880 --> 02:47:50,560 Um Frank, one quick question just kind of 1972 02:47:47,520 --> 02:47:58,319 with Ashley's presentation of the whole concept and trying to facilitate this 1973 02:47:54,000 --> 02:48:04,319 being a bike boulevard. Um, in your opinion, if Andrix becomes a 1974 02:48:01,760 --> 02:48:09,920 four-way stop, if there was an opportunity to put cushions between 1975 02:48:06,880 --> 02:48:15,040 Bettin Court and Andrix, would you see it necessary to have a 1976 02:48:12,960 --> 02:48:21,439 four-way stop at Bettin Court or could we do that reverse 1977 02:48:17,680 --> 02:48:27,040 um with the stop sign there to help facilitate that and make it only one, 1978 02:48:24,880 --> 02:48:33,200 you stop for the bicycles or you know 1979 02:48:29,840 --> 02:48:41,040 traffic in the north south in that area as opposed to you know just it seems 1980 02:48:36,560 --> 02:48:47,120 clunky from the concept point of it being a bike boulevard if you're 1981 02:48:44,000 --> 02:48:51,760 stopping at every intersection. >> Yeah. Other than the fact that the stop 1982 02:48:48,960 --> 02:48:57,600 sign itself is what's relegating an equal bite for the cyclist. Um, Eris, 1983 02:48:55,760 --> 02:49:02,160 uh, you know, with the work that we do from a bicycle perspective, it's at 1984 02:48:59,680 --> 02:49:06,479 least an opportunity. It's not the perfect opportunity, but it's a better 1985 02:49:03,840 --> 02:49:13,439 opportunity than the indecision of the vehicles slowly going through the 1986 02:49:08,479 --> 02:49:20,319 intersection because of the um the the swale. So, that's where it adds a little 1987 02:49:16,479 --> 02:49:24,720 bit of order to everything. Um, I think Mike was I saw Mike kind of squirming a 1988 02:49:22,479 --> 02:49:29,920 little bit because we uh not squirming. We discussed that. Could we do 1989 02:49:26,800 --> 02:49:34,640 potentially the other speed hump between Ben Court and H Andrix and not do the 1990 02:49:32,479 --> 02:49:38,160 allway stop? It's an option. That's that's one of the 1991 02:49:36,560 --> 02:49:43,120 things we we kind of went with the full because I knew I had this and we we had 1992 02:49:40,479 --> 02:49:48,399 this in hand. So that's where we kind of sat. That's the allocart. It's a sum of 1993 02:49:46,399 --> 02:49:53,120 parts. So if we don't do the allway stop or we reverse the stops at Benort, we 1994 02:49:51,279 --> 02:49:58,080 need to do something else and is it potentially one additional speed hub? Is 1995 02:49:55,840 --> 02:50:03,600 it a second one? Probably just the one, but you know holistically. 1996 02:50:01,439 --> 02:50:09,520 » Well, and we've got the project engineer on Zoom also. Roman, are you there? 1997 02:50:07,920 --> 02:50:13,200 » Yes, I am. Can you hear me? Okay. >> Yeah, we can hear you just fine. Did you 1998 02:50:11,520 --> 02:50:18,160 hear the question that was just asked to Frank? And have you had the time to look 1999 02:50:14,640 --> 02:50:24,000 into additional speed bumps south of Andros and possibly in the Benton Court 2000 02:50:21,920 --> 02:50:27,439 area so that that stop sign could potentially be eliminated at Benton 2001 02:50:25,439 --> 02:50:31,279 Court. >> We've looked at it as a highle option. 2002 02:50:29,600 --> 02:50:35,439 Uh and by the way, just a quick introduction, I'm Roman Beltran with GHD 2003 02:50:33,760 --> 02:50:41,600 uh civil engineer of record for this project. Um so yeah, so we've looked at 2004 02:50:39,040 --> 02:50:46,479 it as a highle option. a agreed with everything Frank stated that if if we 2005 02:50:43,840 --> 02:50:51,600 eliminate the we abandon the option of allway stop control then we do need 2006 02:50:48,160 --> 02:50:56,560 another traffic calming measure either before or south of Benton Court or 2007 02:50:53,840 --> 02:51:02,080 between Benton Court and Andrix um from an engineering standpoint the 2008 02:50:59,920 --> 02:51:07,600 allway stop you know in addition to the order it's providing it's also providing 2009 02:51:05,520 --> 02:51:11,920 predictability you know it removes all ambiguity from from those vehicles that 2010 02:51:09,600 --> 02:51:18,399 are decelerating ating at the speed bump um and at the same time giving the 2011 02:51:15,439 --> 02:51:26,479 bicyclist an equal shot at crossing the the intersection. Um so 2012 02:51:22,720 --> 02:51:33,279 I'm a little torn between, you know, putting in that speed measure 2013 02:51:29,279 --> 02:51:39,040 but then allowing that ambiguity to to remain at the intersections with those 2014 02:51:34,960 --> 02:51:43,840 swailes there. Um, so, um, I think I have to sit on, you know, sleep on that 2015 02:51:40,560 --> 02:51:50,560 one a little bit, but I tend to favor the always stops versus the fourth 2016 02:51:48,000 --> 02:51:55,439 uh, speed cushion at this location due to that uh, the removal of that 2017 02:51:52,880 --> 02:52:00,479 ambiguity that that we're discussing. >> Okay. Thank you. the bikes. The 2018 02:51:57,040 --> 02:52:07,680 challenge with the bikes is as a bicyclist, 2019 02:52:03,840 --> 02:52:10,960 that's the stop sign is a suggestion because you don't want to take your feet 2020 02:52:09,040 --> 02:52:14,720 out of the clips. Uh you you'll slow, you'll pay 2021 02:52:13,200 --> 02:52:21,920 attention, but I've seen people not pay too much 2022 02:52:17,920 --> 02:52:30,399 attention. And and that's my concern about a four-way stop over at least with 2023 02:52:26,399 --> 02:52:33,600 the speed cushions. The the bicycle is still going to have 2024 02:52:31,760 --> 02:52:38,960 to pay attention as they go through the intersection, but 2025 02:52:35,760 --> 02:52:43,040 the ambiguity is actually to me less because there's 2026 02:52:41,359 --> 02:52:47,800 there's no stop sign. Is the guy going to stop? Is the guy not going to stop? 2027 02:52:48,160 --> 02:52:55,359 Yeah. And just if we did go without a four-way stop at Benton Court, we would 2028 02:52:52,720 --> 02:53:02,319 still do we would still reverse the stop control, meaning Third Street would have 2029 02:52:59,200 --> 02:53:05,680 a clear route for bicycles and cars. There wouldn't be any more ambiguity 2030 02:53:04,000 --> 02:53:12,240 with the dip. There would be a stop sign there. And if we come up with a a second 2031 02:53:09,680 --> 02:53:17,439 loca, a secondary location, fourth location for another speed cushion, 2032 02:53:15,200 --> 02:53:22,080 it's something to consider. I mean, my thought is if this truly is 2033 02:53:19,520 --> 02:53:25,279 supposed to be a bike boulevard, the bikes that are coming from the Frier 2034 02:53:23,439 --> 02:53:31,680 Creek Trail and in theory heading to Valo's home already have to stop at Bet 2035 02:53:29,120 --> 02:53:37,439 Court and Andrew Street. And really what you're doing is giving that added 2036 02:53:33,200 --> 02:53:44,720 protection for east west traffic to stop and making it um less am 2037 02:53:41,520 --> 02:53:47,840 getting rid of the ambiguity. Um so I think bicycles are going to have to stop 2038 02:53:46,000 --> 02:53:51,200 regardless if you're truly traveling down the bike boulevard. 2039 02:53:50,000 --> 02:53:55,600 Um, >> not if there's a stop sign on 2040 02:53:54,080 --> 02:53:59,200 » if there's a stop sign. >> I'm talking about the plan that that's 2041 02:53:57,120 --> 02:54:05,040 in front of us where Bettin Court and Andrew are four-way stops. 2042 02:54:01,200 --> 02:54:10,399 » Right. So I'm my thing is I'm liking to I'm trying to suggest you just do the 2043 02:54:08,640 --> 02:54:17,680 cross street of Bettin Court gets a stop sign and you get the speed cushions and 2044 02:54:13,760 --> 02:54:24,479 then that one four-way stop grudgingly that one four-way stop. 2045 02:54:21,120 --> 02:54:30,319 I would also say that we are running up on nine o'clock and so um there's a 2046 02:54:27,760 --> 02:54:35,279 couple things I think we are going to we do need to do the report up for um for 2047 02:54:33,120 --> 02:54:40,240 capital improvements. I think we might need a break in a moment, but in order 2048 02:54:37,359 --> 02:54:44,000 to bring this to a close because time is of the essence with the two options that 2049 02:54:42,479 --> 02:54:49,200 are presented in front of us right now at this moment, the two four-way stops 2050 02:54:46,960 --> 02:54:53,920 and an additional speed cushion versus traffic circle and as is if we need to 2051 02:54:52,240 --> 02:54:58,479 make a decision right now, I'm of the opinion I would favor what is on the 2052 02:54:56,560 --> 02:55:04,319 screen the two. >> What happened to cross street of Bett? 2053 02:55:01,359 --> 02:55:10,960 Why is that being considered? Why? I mean, I like it seems to me 2054 02:55:07,520 --> 02:55:14,319 there's three under discussion. And if we're going to make it a bicycle 2055 02:55:12,399 --> 02:55:18,160 boulevard, we open it up to bicycles better. 2056 02:55:16,240 --> 02:55:21,880 And that means not having a four-way stop at Bon Court. 2057 02:55:28,800 --> 02:55:34,720 I think a possible way to move this forward. The original intention of the 2058 02:55:32,880 --> 02:55:38,960 agenda item was to get feedback from the public, get feedback from the committee 2059 02:55:36,960 --> 02:55:45,200 and incorporate into that into the final design. I think it sounds pretty clear 2060 02:55:42,319 --> 02:55:48,880 that everyone for the most part majority is in favor of this particular 2061 02:55:46,960 --> 02:55:54,399 alternative. The nuances between the bet and court 2062 02:55:51,359 --> 02:56:01,279 always stop and possibly adding in a speed hump is something that we could 2063 02:55:56,640 --> 02:56:07,120 work through in design and would probably not impact. I mean it would 2064 02:56:05,200 --> 02:56:12,399 impact but things that we could work out in design if the overall you guys are 2065 02:56:09,200 --> 02:56:18,319 supportive of this pro concept. We could move forward and um hammer out the 2066 02:56:16,399 --> 02:56:23,840 minutia of the this 2067 02:56:20,800 --> 02:56:28,160 » uh because I know time is obviously the essence now. It really is. But here's my 2068 02:56:26,560 --> 02:56:32,319 question. I'm wondering if we just put it to a vote right now. The the plan 2069 02:56:30,640 --> 02:56:37,040 that's in front of us, the the two four-way stops and the three speed 2070 02:56:34,240 --> 02:56:40,040 cushions speed um traffic circle removed. 2071 02:56:44,560 --> 02:56:50,720 » Yeah, I'm that that's what I'm saying. the and we're not going to get a 2072 02:56:48,640 --> 02:56:54,160 consensus, but I'd say we're 90% there as a as a committee and that's why we 2073 02:56:53,040 --> 02:56:58,399 have these votes because they're never going to be they're not always 2074 02:56:55,279 --> 02:57:06,080 unanimous. So, >> just to clarify, the third and Perkins 2075 02:57:02,479 --> 02:57:12,720 in this plan has a four-way stop or no, no, it's essentially as is. We're 2076 02:57:10,640 --> 02:57:15,720 relying on the speed cushions to do the calming. 2077 02:57:18,960 --> 02:57:26,240 My question to public works because I know we have to go through the county 2078 02:57:22,160 --> 02:57:31,520 and um and speed this process up. Would it benefit public works and the city and 2079 02:57:29,520 --> 02:57:37,800 everybody here right now for us to come up with to land on an idea right now? 2080 02:57:40,000 --> 02:57:48,880 Ideally, if you could provide feedback, right? If and that makes it better for 2081 02:57:46,160 --> 02:57:52,000 us to update the design, right? From the county perspective, we could take that. 2082 02:57:50,479 --> 02:57:56,880 We have a technical advisory committee meeting on Thursday. We could do a 2083 02:57:53,359 --> 02:58:00,880 report out, let them know about um you know, the commit the community and 2084 02:57:59,359 --> 02:58:04,640 committee feedback, what the preference is, and then work out the amendment. 2085 02:58:03,200 --> 02:58:08,160 That would probably make things go faster. But we but we wouldn't have 2086 02:58:06,720 --> 02:58:13,760 until our next meeting in November to make a final decision. 2087 02:58:11,520 --> 02:58:17,600 » Correct. If you want if you Yeah. If you didn't make a decision, I just want to 2088 02:58:15,439 --> 02:58:21,520 clarify the overall >> there is no vote required from the 2089 02:58:19,200 --> 02:58:25,120 committee and that is not me discounting or public works discounting the feedback 2090 02:58:23,279 --> 02:58:28,319 at all. That is not We absolutely value the committee's feedback. We value the 2091 02:58:26,560 --> 02:58:31,600 community's feedback. That's a big reason why we did the temporary traffic 2092 02:58:30,080 --> 02:58:37,359 installation. However, um we do It would be great to 2093 02:58:35,279 --> 02:58:40,960 have your feedback in that um you are supportive of the alternative. It it 2094 02:58:39,120 --> 02:58:45,200 would be wonderful um but you don't necessarily need to it. 2095 02:58:42,720 --> 02:58:48,640 » So I guess to put it differently assuming we're removing the traffic well 2096 02:58:47,120 --> 02:58:54,319 assuming the traffic circle isn't a permanent aspect. Can public works move 2097 02:58:52,080 --> 02:58:57,600 forward without any vote from the committee whether it's tonight October 2098 02:58:56,319 --> 02:58:59,359 November or anything? >> Yes. 2099 02:58:57,920 --> 02:59:01,200 » Because you've received our feedback. >> Yes. 2100 02:58:59,760 --> 02:59:06,640 » Then I'm okay with that because our feedback has been given and then some. 2101 02:59:05,040 --> 02:59:12,840 Great. Thank you. >> Unless somebody is opposed to that, 2102 02:59:09,600 --> 02:59:12,840 » I think 2103 02:59:13,840 --> 02:59:20,640 » I'm saying no vote. The goal was for feedback. We've had plenty of feedback 2104 02:59:18,080 --> 02:59:24,720 and it also gives public we don't public works is not going to be is isn't going 2105 02:59:22,160 --> 02:59:29,439 to be bound if we don't make a recommendation tonight or at all. 2106 02:59:27,600 --> 02:59:33,120 » Correct. You're everyone's feedback is absolutely going to be included in the 2107 02:59:31,200 --> 02:59:35,600 design. The final design will probably be somewhat similar to what is front in 2108 02:59:34,880 --> 02:59:40,439 front. >> Okay, I'm okay with that. 2109 02:59:41,279 --> 02:59:46,319 » All right, let's close out this item. >> Yeah. And just just 2110 02:59:45,040 --> 02:59:50,720 » to be clear, so close. >> I just want to make sure that we do have 2111 02:59:49,120 --> 02:59:54,800 different opinions >> by the committee and we cannot 2112 02:59:52,960 --> 02:59:58,479 incorporate two different opinions into one intersection. So, we're going to 2113 02:59:56,800 --> 03:00:01,680 take it back to engineering. We're going to go through the process. We're going 2114 03:00:00,080 --> 03:00:03,439 to come up come up with a final design and move the project forward. 2115 03:00:02,960 --> 03:00:05,840 » Perfect. >> Thank you. 2116 03:00:04,240 --> 03:00:09,600 » All right, let's close this out. It's nine o'clock. Two things. We do need to 2117 03:00:08,080 --> 03:00:13,840 do the capital improvements. Is the committee okay with continuing to press 2118 03:00:11,680 --> 03:00:18,319 forward with the needed items? >> Yes. I'm going to say yes. Second, do we 2119 03:00:15,840 --> 03:00:24,439 need a water break, personal break, five, 10 minutes? 2120 03:00:20,319 --> 03:00:24,439 » Let's do a five minute break. 2121 03:10:47,439 --> 03:10:54,279 Yep. Exactly. All right, >> let's keep this going. 2122 03:10:55,200 --> 03:11:03,120 the route for the home. >> Okay. All right. Item 4.3. 2123 03:11:01,279 --> 03:11:07,359 » The >> Oh, speed tables at East. Oh my gosh. I 2124 03:11:05,600 --> 03:11:10,880 need to >> All right. I'm turning over. 2125 03:11:09,120 --> 03:11:15,439 » Um, so the current configuration of the speed tables on East Napa was approved 2126 03:11:12,720 --> 03:11:18,800 for installation at November 15, 2023 city council meeting. The meeting 2127 03:11:17,200 --> 03:11:22,880 materials presented at the city council meeting which is also conveniently 2128 03:11:20,160 --> 03:11:26,720 linked in your agenda item is covers the meetings where this was presented at the 2129 03:11:25,040 --> 03:11:33,279 traffic safety committee meeting on August 22nd 2023 and October 3rd 2020 2130 03:11:30,479 --> 03:11:37,439 23. Since the November 15th meeting the speed tables have been installed and 2131 03:11:35,040 --> 03:11:40,640 have worked to slow vehicles down. We do acknowledge that there is some issue 2132 03:11:38,880 --> 03:11:45,279 with chicaining. We have put down bots dots um there to prevent people from 2133 03:11:43,279 --> 03:11:48,479 doing that or discourage that. Um we have gotten two traffic hazard reporting 2134 03:11:47,040 --> 03:11:55,600 forms. Both have been submitted with less than five signatures and um have 2135 03:11:51,760 --> 03:11:59,359 been addressed on consent calendars. Um since the installation, we've also 2136 03:11:57,840 --> 03:12:02,560 worked with um the traffic safety committee ad hoc to adopt the 2137 03:12:00,640 --> 03:12:05,120 neighborhood trafficcoming toolbox with guidance from the city's traffic 2138 03:12:03,680 --> 03:12:08,960 engineer. This was adopted by the traffic safety committee on May 6, 2025. 2139 03:12:07,359 --> 03:12:12,000 Speed tables are an allowable intervention as part of this 2140 03:12:10,160 --> 03:12:15,200 neighborhood traffic caling toolbox. So, with this MA manual now in place, staff 2141 03:12:13,680 --> 03:12:18,319 is recommending that the traffic safety revisit the speed tables and if in 2142 03:12:16,880 --> 03:12:22,640 agreement, recommend them for permanent adoption. 2143 03:12:20,880 --> 03:12:26,600 All right. Uh, any questions from the committee about the speed tables? 2144 03:12:26,640 --> 03:12:29,640 Um, 2145 03:12:30,240 --> 03:12:34,840 all right. I guess I'll open up to public comment then. 2146 03:12:35,439 --> 03:12:41,200 » I speak in favor of making the speeds permanent. 2147 03:12:39,120 --> 03:12:46,880 » Noted. Perfect. Um 2148 03:12:45,200 --> 03:12:50,600 » do uh does chief cutting have any feedback on that? 2149 03:12:54,319 --> 03:13:04,160 » So um the speed tables were applied to slow down vehicles. I believe the uh 2150 03:13:00,800 --> 03:13:09,040 speed surveys that have been conducted um have shown pretty conclusively that 2151 03:13:06,319 --> 03:13:15,040 they were effective in slowing traffic. what we I I think we had some insight 2152 03:13:11,840 --> 03:13:20,479 into this potential of the chicaining around the uh speed tables. Uh we at the 2153 03:13:18,720 --> 03:13:25,520 police department get a significant number of complaints from drivers who 2154 03:13:22,479 --> 03:13:30,000 have observed it uh have seen the uh dangerous driving uh going around them. 2155 03:13:28,319 --> 03:13:33,600 We spent a good deal of time out there. I you're going to hear in a in a minute 2156 03:13:31,680 --> 03:13:38,479 when I give my statistics report. I I can't focus on just one area of the city 2157 03:13:35,760 --> 03:13:43,359 only. Uh but we do give it a good amount of time and I spent a good amount of 2158 03:13:40,800 --> 03:13:48,399 time out there watching uh in a mark car and and I observe it every time I go 2159 03:13:45,920 --> 03:13:54,720 there I observe multiple vehicles will chicane around them. Uh the way they are 2160 03:13:51,520 --> 03:14:00,160 currently designed I'm I'm not saying um make them permanent or not. Uh but what 2161 03:13:57,200 --> 03:14:05,279 I am saying is that the offset is going to create the chicane that we have and 2162 03:14:02,319 --> 03:14:11,279 that problem is not going to stop um without some engineering change in those 2163 03:14:08,160 --> 03:14:15,279 in that design. Uh outside of that uh we'll continue to police it. Uh we'll 2164 03:14:13,359 --> 03:14:20,399 continue to enforce it. We wrote, I believe, six or seven um citations last 2165 03:14:18,080 --> 03:14:25,120 week out there uh for that very incident. Um and as we have time, we 2166 03:14:22,560 --> 03:14:31,760 will give that area attention. But our attention is not the solution to the 2167 03:14:28,160 --> 03:14:35,920 chicane. That's all I have. Unless you have questions for me about 2168 03:14:33,279 --> 03:14:39,279 » Are we adding comment on this or no? >> Uh yeah, I mean it's back to the 2169 03:14:37,600 --> 03:14:46,880 committee at this point unless someone has question for Chief Cutting. 2170 03:14:42,720 --> 03:14:52,479 » Um I I live fairly close to these. Um and at the time when it was when we had 2171 03:14:49,200 --> 03:14:56,560 the meeting um I was in favor of it, but I am not anymore. I think it's my own 2172 03:14:55,040 --> 03:15:01,439 father who is visiting from out of town almost got hit. Um so I think we need to 2173 03:14:59,200 --> 03:15:07,040 look into other options um specifically from the chicane. So 2174 03:15:04,720 --> 03:15:11,840 » yeah I I I think we all know that this was kind of the first big issue that we 2175 03:15:08,640 --> 03:15:16,479 tackled and we didn't get pushed into it but I think we were I think we we came 2176 03:15:14,239 --> 03:15:20,720 to a decision quicker than we should have. I like the speed tables. I don't 2177 03:15:18,960 --> 03:15:26,399 like the offset speed tables. So I guess my question would be 2178 03:15:23,920 --> 03:15:30,399 can we make them even speed tables because I think the 2179 03:15:29,040 --> 03:15:33,200 chicane is going to be an issue and I completely agree it will keep happening 2180 03:15:31,760 --> 03:15:36,080 but I do think there needs to be something there. 2181 03:15:34,160 --> 03:15:38,239 » Yeah. And that's with no offset. >> No offset. They're right next to each 2182 03:15:37,840 --> 03:15:42,319 other. >> The reason we have the offset is 2183 03:15:39,680 --> 03:15:45,680 » the fire department I and all due respect to the fire department. I I 2184 03:15:44,080 --> 03:15:50,880 don't think it's going to slow them down that much. Um, but if that's something 2185 03:15:48,880 --> 03:15:54,640 that we need to check in with Chief Achre or anybody else from the fire 2186 03:15:52,319 --> 03:16:01,120 department, I'm happy to do that. But, um, I I I think the 2187 03:15:57,760 --> 03:16:06,880 chicaining issue is a larger issue than the fire department than the ambulance 2188 03:16:02,960 --> 03:16:13,040 getting out there needing to slow down, costing them 10 to 15 seconds of of 2189 03:16:09,359 --> 03:16:19,520 response time. So, the the speed tables are there right now. Would would the 2190 03:16:15,120 --> 03:16:24,160 existing ones become the permanent ones? And in terms of redesign and making them 2191 03:16:22,479 --> 03:16:27,680 not offset, having them next to each other, is that going to be again, it's 2192 03:16:26,239 --> 03:16:32,720 going to come back to the budget. >> Well, and just that 2193 03:16:29,920 --> 03:16:38,000 the reason they're offset is it was at fire's request. They did not want them 2194 03:16:35,279 --> 03:16:41,279 not offset. Yeah. So, you can take those speed 2195 03:16:39,840 --> 03:16:49,359 tables and you can put them adjacent to each other. Um, there might be there's a 2196 03:16:45,279 --> 03:16:55,359 driveway there, but I don't I think that that could be 2197 03:16:52,560 --> 03:17:00,080 dealt with, but I'm not as much worried about the engineering component as I am 2198 03:16:58,000 --> 03:17:05,840 the agreement that we made with fire to put them in offset. Yeah. What we could 2199 03:17:02,720 --> 03:17:12,239 do is we could, like you said, this was early on when our um traffic handbook 2200 03:17:09,520 --> 03:17:16,640 was just it wasn't even done yet and this was one of the first ones that we 2201 03:17:13,600 --> 03:17:20,560 did and so it and this is a tier three implementation. 2202 03:17:18,160 --> 03:17:24,560 So, you know, that's why they were temporary and we decided to come back at 2203 03:17:22,399 --> 03:17:29,439 a later date. Um, what we could look what we could do is we could look into 2204 03:17:26,080 --> 03:17:34,319 alternative design and do further discussion with the fire department and 2205 03:17:32,000 --> 03:17:39,600 see if we can't come back with a different alternative in November. 2206 03:17:37,600 --> 03:17:43,760 » Yeah, I' I'd be in favor of that one because I I like having something there, 2207 03:17:41,760 --> 03:17:46,080 but I don't know if that was the right answer. 2208 03:17:44,319 --> 03:17:53,680 » Yeah. And if that's the consensus of the committee, uh, staff could work on that. 2209 03:17:49,680 --> 03:17:57,640 » Yeah. it uh just the quality of life has improved. Uh 2210 03:17:57,760 --> 03:18:06,160 they've had a positive effect and I I think such a positive effect I'd 2211 03:18:04,239 --> 03:18:12,319 certainly encourage the city to deploy more of them throughout just just to 2212 03:18:10,399 --> 03:18:18,239 take the edge off. Again, what I said earlier tonight, it's we're just going 2213 03:18:15,040 --> 03:18:22,720 to get more cars just within it's, you know, within the city, the empty lots 2214 03:18:20,800 --> 03:18:28,479 that are available to build on. And they're going to put as many houses, 2215 03:18:25,439 --> 03:18:31,840 many front doors into an empty lot as possible. That's going to add more and 2216 03:18:29,920 --> 03:18:40,319 more cars. And I I think they do uh an adequate job 2217 03:18:37,680 --> 03:18:48,720 of of reducing speed. And what I've talked 2218 03:18:45,840 --> 03:18:56,560 about earlier too is the noise from traffic. Once that's once 2219 03:18:53,120 --> 03:19:03,200 the speed is reduced, the noise is concurrently reduced as well. So, uh, 2220 03:19:00,880 --> 03:19:09,800 God, whatever we can do to keep that something like that, make it better, I'm 2221 03:19:06,399 --> 03:19:09,800 all for it. 2222 03:19:16,720 --> 03:19:24,479 » Okay. Then I I mean, I'm I'm all for having something there, but maybe some 2223 03:19:23,040 --> 03:19:27,960 come up with some alternatives and talk more about it. November. 2224 03:19:28,160 --> 03:19:36,960 » Chief cutting. Uh just do you have any input if the if the sha canes removed? 2225 03:19:34,080 --> 03:19:42,880 Obviously patrol cars are a little more agile than fire engines, but could have 2226 03:19:39,760 --> 03:19:48,720 an effect on the deputies. >> No, I I I said in the very beginning the 2227 03:19:45,359 --> 03:19:54,319 the impact on a patrol car is is negligible to any issue. So if they're 2228 03:19:51,279 --> 03:19:58,960 parallel to or alongside in a linear line across it would have no effect on a 2229 03:19:56,560 --> 03:20:06,920 patrol car. We don't chicane around them now. Not supposed to 2230 03:20:02,800 --> 03:20:06,920 » a little more fun the other way. 2231 03:20:07,040 --> 03:20:12,359 » Cuz cops treat patrol cars like they're their own. 2232 03:20:16,160 --> 03:20:23,840 » Okay. I I think I think uh for this item it's uh come up with some alternatives, 2233 03:20:21,760 --> 03:20:26,399 talk to fire and and revisit in November. 2234 03:20:24,479 --> 03:20:28,640 » We will reagendize this in November with some alternatives. 2235 03:20:27,439 --> 03:20:34,000 » In that case, I'm going to close the item and uh move on to 44, which is the 2236 03:20:31,040 --> 03:20:38,479 capital projects update. >> So the capital projects update um does 2237 03:20:36,479 --> 03:20:41,600 kind of touch on the traffic circle in that it does address the citywide 2238 03:20:40,239 --> 03:20:45,600 bicycle and pedestrians improvement project. Um so let me just start from 2239 03:20:43,520 --> 03:20:50,319 the top. Um we have previously brought the fire Nash rehabilitation project. 2240 03:20:47,840 --> 03:20:53,600 CIPT5, this is an evergreen project, but Frier Picket Nash neighborhood has kind 2241 03:20:51,760 --> 03:20:57,600 of been where our efforts have been circulating. Um that project was 2242 03:20:55,279 --> 03:21:02,560 substantially completed in May. It was awarded in March and so um we're happy 2243 03:21:00,239 --> 03:21:05,920 to report that that has been done. The citywide bicycle and pedestrians 2244 03:21:04,000 --> 03:21:12,560 improvement project has overall the project has met an important um 2245 03:21:08,640 --> 03:21:15,680 milestone 90% um that's part of why um the conversation with regard to the 2246 03:21:13,840 --> 03:21:19,040 traffic circle is geared towards making a decision being able to move it 2247 03:21:16,960 --> 03:21:24,880 forward. This is the overall project and the 90% plan set is comp is included as 2248 03:21:21,840 --> 03:21:29,200 part of your agenda packet. Um again the elements include the raised crosswalk 2249 03:21:26,960 --> 03:21:33,920 crossing improvements and then um the third street west bike boulevard. 2250 03:21:31,680 --> 03:21:38,560 The um all of the elements are accurately or all of the elements are 2251 03:21:36,080 --> 03:21:41,840 represented in the project plans. Um this does currently include the traffic 2252 03:21:40,080 --> 03:21:45,120 circle. We have not included the design revision, but we will work with 2253 03:21:43,439 --> 03:21:49,840 designers to implement the feedback we received um on the traffic circle item 2254 03:21:47,520 --> 03:21:54,560 before the project goes out to bid. And then um moving on to our citywide slurry 2255 03:21:52,239 --> 03:21:59,120 seal project. This was awarded to Sierra Nevada Construction at the regular 2256 03:21:56,239 --> 03:22:03,120 council meeting of July 15, 2026 and construction is expected to start um 2257 03:22:01,439 --> 03:22:08,800 midepptember is our current estimate from the contractor. This is also going 2258 03:22:05,359 --> 03:22:12,479 to apply slurry application um and well the map for slurry application is um 2259 03:22:10,800 --> 03:22:16,319 attached to this agenda item as well. So this is our our standard um slurry seal 2260 03:22:15,040 --> 03:22:21,120 maintenance that we do for road maintenance increasing our PCI every two 2261 03:22:18,239 --> 03:22:26,319 years. And then item number four is our safe router school. Um it's a key 2262 03:22:23,439 --> 03:22:33,600 strategy of um Sonoma County vision zero action plan. This is coming up because a 2263 03:22:29,359 --> 03:22:40,000 fiscal 23 grant that SCTCA had applied for is now available for funds and um 2264 03:22:37,279 --> 03:22:47,120 this is a a project that SCTCA is going to be driving in conjunction with city 2265 03:22:42,560 --> 03:22:51,680 staff. Um we are encouraged to look at corridors and identify improvements that 2266 03:22:50,000 --> 03:22:54,640 also align with the active transportation plan that we have 2267 03:22:53,120 --> 03:23:00,640 adopted. And um in looking at all of the city or 2268 03:22:58,239 --> 03:23:07,040 all of the school sites within the city and this um overall review period 2269 03:23:03,279 --> 03:23:11,279 happened in I believe 2024 2025. So when Presswood School was still Presswood 2270 03:23:08,960 --> 03:23:15,840 School and not MacArthur Charter um or MacArthur Park. Apologies for the 2271 03:23:12,960 --> 03:23:19,680 misnomer on that. But um so in evaluation of that we will be looking at 2272 03:23:17,359 --> 03:23:24,160 the high school and um what was previously Preswood Elementary and now 2273 03:23:21,279 --> 03:23:27,120 MacArthur Park Charter School. um they are planning on coming to the November 2274 03:23:25,760 --> 03:23:31,600 traffic safety committee meeting and they will be presenting um the corridor 2275 03:23:29,600 --> 03:23:34,239 as an attachment to this um agenda item and I'll just go ahead actually I don't 2276 03:23:33,200 --> 03:23:37,600 want to scroll through all the project plans but um can I just click on this? 2277 03:23:37,120 --> 03:23:40,720 There we go. >> Yeah. 2278 03:23:38,319 --> 03:23:45,120 » Okay. So this is overall the list of corridors that have been identified. Um, 2279 03:23:43,200 --> 03:23:50,160 I took a look at the active transportation plan and we also talked 2280 03:23:46,960 --> 03:23:54,479 about some um, you know, east side, west side connectivity, looking at like way 2281 03:23:52,479 --> 03:23:57,680 maybe possibly where students are actually living. You know, on my part 2282 03:23:56,160 --> 03:24:02,319 that's really just more anecdotal data. Um, but this um, is something that we 2283 03:24:00,560 --> 03:24:08,239 worked on with Sonoma County Transit or I'm sorry, SCTCA and um, they are going 2284 03:24:06,160 --> 03:24:11,439 to be working on with on this with their designers are presenting a much more 2285 03:24:09,600 --> 03:24:15,120 tailored version of this at the November meeting. The overall project allows for 2286 03:24:13,840 --> 03:24:18,399 about three miles of corridor improvements. As you can see here, we 2287 03:24:16,399 --> 03:24:24,640 have about 5.67. So, this is going to come down significantly. Um, and it it 2288 03:24:22,640 --> 03:24:31,359 that will be done in consideration with their design engineers. Um, this is a a 2289 03:24:28,720 --> 03:24:35,279 project heavier on the SCTCA side in terms of driving design, etc., but it is 2290 03:24:33,439 --> 03:24:39,040 intended to be a very collaborative process with city staff. That's part of 2291 03:24:37,279 --> 03:24:42,880 why they're coming in November. And we do anticipate having meetings with the 2292 03:24:41,359 --> 03:24:45,920 the Sonoma Valley Unified School District as well. So the intention of 2293 03:24:44,239 --> 03:24:50,160 this is to be very very collaborative and the end goal is to have a safe route 2294 03:24:47,920 --> 03:24:52,880 to school plan that we will be able to apply for future grant funding to 2295 03:24:51,680 --> 03:24:55,880 actually implement some of these improvements. 2296 03:24:58,560 --> 03:25:04,399 » All right. Thank you, Ashley. Uh does the committee have any um questions? 2297 03:25:02,800 --> 03:25:10,800 » I just have one quick question. This is amazing. I love this. uh did they take 2298 03:25:07,520 --> 03:25:16,000 into consideration each school and um headcount and allocate that 2299 03:25:13,279 --> 03:25:19,920 appropriately to the the um total mileage? 2300 03:25:17,600 --> 03:25:24,080 » I believe they did. Yes, there was a um a selection criteria that they worked 2301 03:25:22,720 --> 03:25:28,479 through in order to come to Sonoma Valley High School and um Presswood. and 2302 03:25:26,160 --> 03:25:33,479 I can pass along feedback to have them elaborate more on that at the November 2303 03:25:30,479 --> 03:25:33,479 meeting. 2304 03:25:34,160 --> 03:25:41,680 » But it's not going to be all 5.67 miles. >> No, it will be limited to three miles. 2305 03:25:39,760 --> 03:25:47,439 Um being totally honest, I beefed it up to six miles because I it basically it 2306 03:25:44,800 --> 03:25:52,160 covers a lot of um east west connection. Um I grew up in the broader Snow Valley, 2307 03:25:49,840 --> 03:25:55,520 not necessarily like you know city limits. And so, um, you know, trying to 2308 03:25:54,479 --> 03:26:00,399 figure out if they're going to focus more on like other areas of town, that 2309 03:25:58,640 --> 03:26:03,439 kind of thing. Um, but that's something that's going to be fleshed out with 2310 03:26:01,520 --> 03:26:06,319 their design engineer. So, they're going to be presenting a much more tailored 2311 03:26:04,880 --> 03:26:09,040 version. So, not all of this is going to be included because our budget's only 2312 03:26:07,680 --> 03:26:15,040 about three months. I >> I'm only asking just with the recent 2313 03:26:11,680 --> 03:26:20,080 changes of the school district. And so if this is old data, if they're 2314 03:26:17,279 --> 03:26:24,399 considering the new um headcount per school, you know, per elementary school, 2315 03:26:22,239 --> 03:26:28,560 etc. Um >> yeah, and that's a great point and we'll 2316 03:26:26,160 --> 03:26:31,359 emphasize that so that they're prepared to have a full discussion at the 2317 03:26:30,800 --> 03:26:32,960 meeting. >> Yeah. 2318 03:26:31,760 --> 03:26:37,920 » In November, >> we did let them know about the change 2319 03:26:34,800 --> 03:26:41,279 that would at at this meeting um to come up with these corridors. We did let them 2320 03:26:39,840 --> 03:26:43,520 know that Presswood Elementary had closed and it was replaced with a 2321 03:26:42,479 --> 03:26:48,080 charter school. >> I think with the charter I think it's 2322 03:26:45,359 --> 03:26:52,080 200 roughly 200 for enrollment right now and it I pretty sure was close to 300 2323 03:26:50,640 --> 03:26:56,560 and a lot of them have been moved to Sasarini 2324 03:26:53,600 --> 03:27:00,560 um or other schools and so from what I'm seeing here there's a lot focused on the 2325 03:26:58,479 --> 03:27:04,800 east side but I'm wondering if we should take a look at other areas um just a 2326 03:27:03,279 --> 03:27:09,279 thought. >> We can definitely pass that along and 2327 03:27:06,239 --> 03:27:12,800 make sure that feedback's incorporated. Not to belver the point, but I literally 2328 03:27:11,439 --> 03:27:18,080 right before this meeting spoke to the new director principal of MacArthur Park 2329 03:27:15,840 --> 03:27:22,239 and um I specifically asked about enrollment and while it's slightly 2330 03:27:20,000 --> 03:27:26,800 offset, they had they did move obviously a lot of students around, but they're 2331 03:27:24,319 --> 03:27:32,160 just over 200 and they anticipate coming back to around Prestwood levels. Um 2332 03:27:30,239 --> 03:27:37,439 they're they have applications for their school. Um they the biggest thing the 2333 03:27:35,200 --> 03:27:40,399 the ESN students from Prestwood are no longer there. They've been shifted 2334 03:27:38,640 --> 03:27:45,520 throughout the district, but the numbers will remain are anticipated to remain 2335 03:27:43,120 --> 03:27:48,680 relatively the same, probably down a little bit. 2336 03:27:50,720 --> 03:28:00,960 Anything else from the committee? I will open it up to public comment. 2337 03:27:56,880 --> 03:28:08,160 » Thank you, Tom Conlin again. Um, so I learned some things tonight. uh the 2338 03:28:04,640 --> 03:28:14,880 that are of relevance to this uh CIP going forward. Um I'm encouraged to hear 2339 03:28:11,680 --> 03:28:22,800 that the city's considering 16 miles per hour average speed as a threshold for 2340 03:28:20,800 --> 03:28:27,279 speed bumps if uh the community members actually 2341 03:28:24,800 --> 03:28:33,279 want it. So, that's something that I'll probably be encouraging more uh hazard 2342 03:28:31,520 --> 03:28:36,319 forms to recommend that solution because it sounds like it's a it's a viable 2343 03:28:35,120 --> 03:28:40,479 thing around the city. there's support for it even from the community that 2344 03:28:38,720 --> 03:28:47,720 doesn't want to see more aggressive more more um other kinds of measures in the 2345 03:28:44,720 --> 03:28:47,720 um 2346 03:28:49,439 --> 03:28:56,640 I I'll be talking with Aerys about whether the changes that you guys are 2347 03:28:54,239 --> 03:29:03,120 going to be going back to finalize on the uh Third Street West uh whether that 2348 03:29:00,880 --> 03:29:08,319 rises to the level of a major change. I don't think we consider it to be a major 2349 03:29:05,279 --> 03:29:12,160 change at this point and um I think we're probably going to be able to 2350 03:29:09,520 --> 03:29:16,960 support the minor adjustment at your TAC meeting upcoming this week. Um I'm a 2351 03:29:15,279 --> 03:29:21,520 little disappointed obviously I got a little emotional tonight. Um but 2352 03:29:20,000 --> 03:29:25,680 obviously the community came out and told you that they're concerned about it 2353 03:29:23,680 --> 03:29:30,319 and I I support the community and I support your judge good judgment in 2354 03:29:27,600 --> 03:29:34,720 making a a decision there. I do encourage the city staff and this 2355 03:29:32,479 --> 03:29:38,319 committee and council to keep moving forward, to keep moving people out of 2356 03:29:36,960 --> 03:29:42,720 their comfort zone and to make the city a safer place. And I think we're we all 2357 03:29:40,319 --> 03:29:48,880 making progress on that. specifically on the safe routes to school um opportunity 2358 03:29:46,800 --> 03:29:56,880 that's in front of us right now. My understanding is that the um the injury 2359 03:29:54,000 --> 03:30:01,840 network where the high injury potential is in the city is much closer to 2360 03:29:58,560 --> 03:30:08,000 Sasserini than it is to uh MacArthur Park or the high school even at this 2361 03:30:04,080 --> 03:30:13,920 time. So um and I also believe that the there are some equity related points in 2362 03:30:11,200 --> 03:30:17,760 the scoring for these projects. I may be getting two projects mis mixed up in 2363 03:30:16,560 --> 03:30:22,000 terms of the funding streams, but I think I'm hearing about the same 2364 03:30:19,040 --> 03:30:25,200 project. So I'd encourage you all to sure that if you're if it is a 2365 03:30:23,680 --> 03:30:32,000 competitive grant that we're setting ourselves up for that we are leaning 2366 03:30:28,080 --> 03:30:36,880 into the equity points as well as the injury network. 2367 03:30:34,319 --> 03:30:41,279 uh you know where we really need it the most and I believe I know we're making 2368 03:30:38,880 --> 03:30:46,960 some major improvements to Fifth Street West uh in the current CIP, but are we 2369 03:30:45,840 --> 03:30:50,880 are we going to be able to get all the way there with the money we have to 2370 03:30:48,239 --> 03:30:56,800 date? If not, we might want to look at this as another source of funding. I 2371 03:30:53,359 --> 03:31:00,720 know that Chief Brandon uh Chief Cutting has um 2372 03:30:59,120 --> 03:31:06,479 indicated that there are some problems at that uh crossing at formerly Press 2373 03:31:04,160 --> 03:31:11,359 Wood, but I think they put a stop sign in there or something and that has been 2374 03:31:07,920 --> 03:31:14,880 rectified already. So, um looking forward to more safe routes to schools. 2375 03:31:12,960 --> 03:31:18,040 Thank you. >> Thank you. 2376 03:31:19,439 --> 03:31:27,760 Okay, I think uh move it back to the committee. Any further discussion from 2377 03:31:24,800 --> 03:31:32,319 the committee? I also just wanted to clarify we did 2378 03:31:29,520 --> 03:31:36,560 give you the team the option to do an ad hoc for the 90% if you guys still wanted 2379 03:31:34,239 --> 03:31:41,040 to do that for the CIP the overall larger traffic the citywide bicycle and 2380 03:31:39,439 --> 03:31:44,720 pedestrian improvement plans kind of I feel like you maybe you passed possibly 2381 03:31:43,439 --> 03:31:48,640 passed on that in the traffic circle item but I just wanted to clarify that 2382 03:31:47,120 --> 03:31:52,720 you do have that option it would have to happen relatively quickly as I explained 2383 03:31:50,880 --> 03:31:57,840 um but I just wanted to bring that to your attention because that was called 2384 03:31:53,840 --> 03:31:57,840 out as a recommendation if you wanted 2385 03:31:59,520 --> 03:32:08,279 This would be an ad hoc for reviewing the 90% plan submittal for CIP6 the 2386 03:32:04,880 --> 03:32:08,279 entire project. 2387 03:32:11,920 --> 03:32:17,640 If some if if if someone wants to do an ad hoc on this one, 2388 03:32:22,800 --> 03:32:28,920 » I I I don't I don't think I can. 2389 03:32:29,279 --> 03:32:35,120 » Um I mean, would we would we need three people or 2390 03:32:32,399 --> 03:32:38,120 » you just have up to three? >> Yeah. 2391 03:32:38,479 --> 03:32:45,680 I I mean if Greg if you want to do it on your own that's I think I'm I have no 2392 03:32:42,880 --> 03:32:50,000 problem with that. I think >> is that 2393 03:32:46,960 --> 03:32:53,720 » Yeah. If you want to include Greg in it >> I say go for it. 2394 03:32:56,560 --> 03:33:02,800 » No that's fine. And we'll do an adop report out in November. 2395 03:32:59,840 --> 03:33:08,880 » Perfect. All right. With that, I will close out this item. 2396 03:33:06,000 --> 03:33:13,920 And um are there any reports or comments 2397 03:33:10,800 --> 03:33:21,200 from the traffic safety committee? No. Staff comments and announcements, 2398 03:33:18,640 --> 03:33:26,359 chief cutting. Oh, Mike 2399 03:33:23,359 --> 03:33:26,359 point. 2400 03:33:27,120 --> 03:33:35,120 I will speak quickly. Um and so if you need me to repeat something, just call 2401 03:33:32,399 --> 03:33:39,279 me back to it. Um, I was asked to give some statistics related to traffic 2402 03:33:37,120 --> 03:33:42,399 enforcement. Um, I'm going to give you a little bit more because I think it has 2403 03:33:40,640 --> 03:33:48,239 to have context into what all goes on in the city because it is beyond just uh 2404 03:33:44,319 --> 03:33:52,080 speeding and stop signs. Uh, so to to touch on it real quick, uh, Sonoma 2405 03:33:50,080 --> 03:33:56,160 Police Department is staffed with uh, two traffic safety officers specific. 2406 03:33:54,560 --> 03:34:00,880 However, they are dual purpose, meaning they answer calls for service. They are 2407 03:33:57,680 --> 03:34:05,680 a part of our patrol staffing. In 2020, uh we had to reduce uh one full-time 2408 03:34:03,439 --> 03:34:09,279 traffic enforcement officer uh based on budget. Uh that has not come back yet. 2409 03:34:07,920 --> 03:34:14,000 The only position that we have brought back um as a standalone uh position is 2410 03:34:12,160 --> 03:34:17,600 our community resource officer, which is focused on the schools. And in the 2411 03:34:15,840 --> 03:34:21,920 summertime, we usually appoint that person to uh handle calls for service so 2412 03:34:20,239 --> 03:34:28,560 that we can have our traffic enforcement focus on traffic. Uh this summer um I 2413 03:34:24,960 --> 03:34:34,560 selected uh to have that person focus on ebike safety and bicycle safety. Um it 2414 03:34:32,800 --> 03:34:38,560 you you guys haven't had a lot of the complaints, but I've received a 2415 03:34:36,160 --> 03:34:42,800 significant amount of complaints as has city council and city staff. So u that 2416 03:34:41,279 --> 03:34:46,080 was our focus and our emphasis throughout the summer. And our community 2417 03:34:44,560 --> 03:34:51,359 resource officer was actually on a bicycle um on the trails making contact 2418 03:34:48,560 --> 03:34:55,760 with students and adults alike. Um quite honestly a lot of the uh the bike 2419 03:34:52,960 --> 03:35:01,040 violations were more uh related to adults than they were to kids or youth. 2420 03:34:58,080 --> 03:35:03,520 Um but we did a lot of education. Um so those statistics are not represented 2421 03:35:02,479 --> 03:35:09,520 what I'm talking today. I'm just trying to give you an example of why uh our our 2422 03:35:07,120 --> 03:35:14,560 traffic enforcement is is focused on certain areas. So total traffic stops 2423 03:35:12,080 --> 03:35:18,640 and I when I did these statistics I went back to January of this year. So the the 2424 03:35:16,960 --> 03:35:23,120 numbers I'm giving you are from January 1st of this year till today. I ran these 2425 03:35:21,279 --> 03:35:28,720 these uh statistics just a short time before I came in here. Total number of 2426 03:35:25,200 --> 03:35:35,200 traffic stops year to date, 573 traffic stops by Sonoma Police Department. 60 2427 03:35:31,439 --> 03:35:40,560 written citations, 413 uh reprimand and release or verbal warnings. Um and then 2428 03:35:38,399 --> 03:35:47,439 in context, total calls for service for Sonoma Police Department, 2,913 2429 03:35:44,000 --> 03:35:51,279 year to date. So they handle those calls for service in addition to traffic 2430 03:35:49,279 --> 03:35:57,279 enforcement. So just to be clear, uh total number of reports written from 2431 03:35:53,120 --> 03:36:01,359 those calls for service of the 20 2,913 295 reports have been written. That does 2432 03:35:59,680 --> 03:36:07,200 not that's not citations, those are reports. Um total officer initiated 2433 03:36:03,840 --> 03:36:12,319 calls, 1438. So about 33% of the calls for service were officer initiated. Um 2434 03:36:09,600 --> 03:36:18,720 total number of arrests 77. And then accident data total number of non-injury 2435 03:36:15,760 --> 03:36:24,720 accidents 30 reports have been made. Uh possible injury three 13 on the minor 2436 03:36:22,560 --> 03:36:28,479 injury and I'll talk about that in a second. And then we've had we did have 2437 03:36:26,000 --> 03:36:33,439 the one fatality this fiscal year uh on Broadway. The uh differentiation between 2438 03:36:31,279 --> 03:36:37,359 possible injury, minor injury and no injury. Obviously no injury is pretty 2439 03:36:35,040 --> 03:36:41,520 self selfexplanatory. uh three possible injuries. Uh meaning 2440 03:36:39,439 --> 03:36:44,880 that when deputies were at the scene taking the report, somebody said, "I may 2441 03:36:43,439 --> 03:36:48,640 have an injury, I may get it checked out later." Uh we don't have a there is no 2442 03:36:47,040 --> 03:36:51,920 recourse for follow-up on that. So if they go to the hospital or doctor later 2443 03:36:50,239 --> 03:36:56,560 and have injuries, it's an insurance issue at that point. Minor injuries 2444 03:36:54,239 --> 03:37:00,319 sometimes are transports. Um sometimes are not. Sometimes they'll self 2445 03:36:57,920 --> 03:37:05,439 transport, but we have we document that there is some known injury at the time 2446 03:37:02,000 --> 03:37:09,600 of the accident. Uh we had 26 DUI arrests this fiscal year so far or this 2447 03:37:07,520 --> 03:37:14,080 calendar year so far. And I did want to make a note that uh Deputy Todd Stenis, 2448 03:37:11,760 --> 03:37:18,960 one of our assigned patrol officers, did receive the MAT award um just about a 2449 03:37:16,479 --> 03:37:23,920 month and a half ago. That was for uh the number of DUI arrests he personally 2450 03:37:21,520 --> 03:37:28,640 made, which was 30 in a in a fiscal year or in the calendar year for that 2451 03:37:26,319 --> 03:37:33,920 particular award. you as traffic safety are getting some 2452 03:37:31,359 --> 03:37:37,520 complaints about um traffic issues around town. We also receive them. The 2453 03:37:36,000 --> 03:37:42,000 city receives them. City council receives them. They all get funneled to 2454 03:37:39,279 --> 03:37:45,520 us in in more than one way. Um and I just kind of wanted to focus on or give 2455 03:37:43,600 --> 03:37:50,479 you an idea of the emphasis and the focus areas that we are working on. Um 2456 03:37:48,720 --> 03:37:55,439 it's beyond just the ones that are limited in here. And uh yes, Mr. 2457 03:37:53,120 --> 03:37:59,359 Brandon, beyond just uh East East East Napa Street. 2458 03:37:58,160 --> 03:38:02,319 I know. >> So, these are the areas that we spent a 2459 03:38:01,040 --> 03:38:06,080 lot of time on. Obviously, beginning of the school year, the the high school, 2460 03:38:04,080 --> 03:38:11,040 Broadway, First Street West, uh MacArthur, all around, uh and then also 2461 03:38:09,279 --> 03:38:19,439 um on Fifth Street West around Sasserini. Um but in the broader picture 2462 03:38:14,880 --> 03:38:26,960 um so Fifth Street West uh spanning from um West Spain uh north of West Spain for 2463 03:38:22,080 --> 03:38:32,239 speed um south of of uh Napa Street for stop sign viol or actually from uh Spain 2464 03:38:29,520 --> 03:38:37,760 Street south all the way to MacArthur for stop sign violations. Uh less of a 2465 03:38:34,720 --> 03:38:42,800 speeding issue there. Um Malay Street uh for speed issues. East Napa Street, uh 2466 03:38:40,640 --> 03:38:48,080 the chicaneing around the speed tables, Loel Valley from Fourth Street to 7th 2467 03:38:45,920 --> 03:38:52,880 Street East. Uh West Spain Street, almost the entirety of it. Seventh 2468 03:38:49,760 --> 03:38:56,239 Street West, uh stop sign violations. Um Highway 12 at the Maxwell Shopping 2469 03:38:54,640 --> 03:39:00,640 Center, speeding and red light violations. Broadway at Napa Street, the 2470 03:38:59,120 --> 03:39:04,800 intersection violation, stop sign violations. first street west at Napa 2471 03:39:02,960 --> 03:39:08,560 Street stop sign and actually wrongway driving because it is actually a right 2472 03:39:06,560 --> 03:39:14,880 turn only if you're southbound and a right turn only if you're northbound. Um 2473 03:39:10,800 --> 03:39:21,200 so a lot of that um we did a significant amount of time um on the short time over 2474 03:39:17,680 --> 03:39:25,520 the uh the uh traffic circle. Sorry I used the wrong word earlier. Um, we did 2475 03:39:23,840 --> 03:39:29,520 not do any traffic enforcement or citations over there as we were trying 2476 03:39:27,760 --> 03:39:33,520 to uh get an idea of whether or not it was intentional or unintentional. There 2477 03:39:31,840 --> 03:39:38,560 was not a lot in our presence because of the mark cars. Uh, Second Street North, 2478 03:39:36,080 --> 03:39:42,239 uh, Second Street West, north of Andrix, MacArthur from First Street West to 2479 03:39:40,160 --> 03:39:45,760 Fifth Street West. Um, and then the ebike stuff. So, just just bringing that 2480 03:39:44,560 --> 03:39:49,760 up because those are the areas that we're getting the most of our complaints 2481 03:39:47,279 --> 03:39:53,200 in. And so I have to give those areas attention as well as the ones that are 2482 03:39:51,359 --> 03:39:57,600 coming before this committee. And so I just wanted you to be clear that we're 2483 03:39:54,560 --> 03:40:01,840 not not giving attention to any specific area. We have to give it to everything. 2484 03:39:59,439 --> 03:40:08,080 And as I already stated, I have two daytime patrol officers. One who is 2485 03:40:03,920 --> 03:40:11,680 supposed to be uh traffic expert, but we can't just designate them for traffic 2486 03:40:10,160 --> 03:40:15,279 only. They have to handle calls for service. So, I kind of gave you that 2487 03:40:12,960 --> 03:40:18,960 volume so you understand they have to handle the the 911 calls. At the same 2488 03:40:17,760 --> 03:40:22,960 time, we're trying to do traffic enforcement on an intersection. We often 2489 03:40:21,279 --> 03:40:31,680 get pulled away from being able to be consistent in those locations. Bringing 2490 03:40:25,840 --> 03:40:36,319 it back to a lot of um the lawfulness of of driving around the city of Soma still 2491 03:40:34,399 --> 03:40:41,040 comes into a voluntary compliance. Drivers need to respect the laws. They 2492 03:40:38,399 --> 03:40:44,880 need to respect stop signs and they need to follow those laws. It it makes it 2493 03:40:42,960 --> 03:40:51,279 safer for all of us and it quite honestly um we can't police our way out 2494 03:40:47,680 --> 03:40:55,319 of stop sign and speed violations. Do you have any questions for me? 2495 03:40:55,359 --> 03:41:01,279 Next time I bring statistics, I'll try to give you some comparables yeartoear 2496 03:40:59,040 --> 03:41:05,520 so you have an idea. We are increasing a significant amount. I can tell you that 2497 03:41:03,120 --> 03:41:10,279 our our traffic enforcement stops are significantly higher than they were even 2498 03:41:07,040 --> 03:41:10,279 last year. 2499 03:41:10,560 --> 03:41:17,279 » Just real quick, how's the what's your success uh in movement to getting a 2500 03:41:15,200 --> 03:41:20,319 court down here? I think you talked about that at one point. 2501 03:41:18,399 --> 03:41:24,560 » Yeah. Uh so we have to we had to wait till the new courthouse opened which 2502 03:41:21,600 --> 03:41:29,200 just opened two weeks ago, I believe. Um so we'll reapproach it. I'll I'll bring 2503 03:41:26,399 --> 03:41:32,560 it back up again with the courts. Um there's a title for that person, but 2504 03:41:30,720 --> 03:41:36,720 I'll bring it back up again and see what kind of conversations we can have. I 2505 03:41:35,200 --> 03:41:40,960 have a lot of support from the CHP office out of Napa who covers our area. 2506 03:41:39,120 --> 03:41:44,680 Uh they are really requesting it even more so than we are. 2507 03:41:45,279 --> 03:41:48,960 » Thank you, Chief. >> Thanks, Chief. Um Mike, did you have 2508 03:41:48,479 --> 03:41:52,640 some >> Yeah, just a real quick report out two 2509 03:41:51,120 --> 03:41:57,600 items that have been discussed tonight. Um one is the 20 mph speed reduction 2510 03:41:56,080 --> 03:42:02,319 project that we've been working on. That's currently with GHD. They had to 2511 03:42:00,000 --> 03:42:07,920 come out and do speed surveys and they got to input all that data into the big 2512 03:42:05,439 --> 03:42:15,120 picture model. And we're going to come back with a recommendation 2513 03:42:10,560 --> 03:42:17,840 of the streets. Uh this is going to be something we're going to want to get 2514 03:42:16,319 --> 03:42:22,880 some input on. It's going to be something we're going to want to involve 2515 03:42:18,800 --> 03:42:27,200 the community in because basically why not my street is something that we 2516 03:42:24,880 --> 03:42:32,720 want to get out ahead of. We've talked to this group before. These are the 2517 03:42:29,439 --> 03:42:37,520 streets that we have been hearing about problems. They're near schools. They're 2518 03:42:34,880 --> 03:42:43,279 near hospitals. And so trying to get a nice focused um group of streets for 2519 03:42:40,880 --> 03:42:47,279 that will be the goal. The other one, Ashley already talked about it. It's 2520 03:42:44,560 --> 03:42:52,160 safe rout. They'll be here presenting next meeting. This is a big one and 2521 03:42:50,319 --> 03:42:56,479 getting out ahead of this. making sure that we've got some community support, 2522 03:42:54,080 --> 03:43:01,040 community buyin, comments from the community. We want to have a nice 2523 03:42:57,840 --> 03:43:04,640 opened, transparent, publicized process. That's going to be the goal and we'll be 2524 03:43:03,040 --> 03:43:09,200 bringing that forward at the November meeting for um some discussion and 2525 03:43:07,760 --> 03:43:13,760 hopefully we have a nice big audience like we did tonight. 2526 03:43:11,279 --> 03:43:18,960 Thank you. >> All right. Thanks, Mike. Um okay, now 2527 03:43:17,279 --> 03:43:24,319 before we wrap it up, I need to point out two things. Uh, the first one, uh, 2528 03:43:22,640 --> 03:43:29,760 recognize Ashley for all the work she's been doing. I mean, I know Mike is the 2529 03:43:26,720 --> 03:43:35,199 director, but Ashley, you've been putting so much work into this. Um, I I 2530 03:43:33,120 --> 03:43:40,080 it's you've been wonderful, so thank you. The other one is, uh, now we're in 2531 03:43:37,760 --> 03:43:44,399 an empty room, but everybody may notice that U. Member Mark Deo isn't here. Uh, 2532 03:43:43,120 --> 03:43:48,640 we thought he would be here tonight, but I was told just before this meeting that 2533 03:43:47,279 --> 03:43:53,520 he no longer lives in the city of Sonoma, which means he cannot be part of 2534 03:43:51,040 --> 03:43:57,040 this committee anymore. Um, I was hoping he would be here so we could give him 2535 03:43:54,720 --> 03:44:00,239 some recognition. But Mark, if you're out there, thank you for your many years 2536 03:43:58,560 --> 03:44:06,000 of uh being part of this committee. We appreciate the input and everything that 2537 03:44:01,680 --> 03:44:08,319 he has done. So, a big thank you. And um >> I will be giving him his name plate, 2538 03:44:07,840 --> 03:44:12,479 too. >> Oh, cool. Well, there you go. Is that 2539 03:44:10,479 --> 03:44:14,880 what we get at the end? He asked for it >> set of steak knives. 2540 03:44:13,760 --> 03:44:18,720 » Yeah. >> Um and that was it. That's all I have. 2541 03:44:17,120 --> 03:44:21,720 » All right. Ajourned. 2542 03:44:21,760 --> 03:44:25,160 » Thank you guys.