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All right. Right. I'd like to uh call to

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order the August 6th, 2026 uh meeting of

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the Spring Hill Planning Commission. Um

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if everyone will rise for the pledge of

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allegiance.

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I

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>> pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands. One nation

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indivisible with liberty and justice for

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all.

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right. Thank you. Uh Amy, roll call.

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>> Mr. Nace. Mr. Hehart

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>> here.

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>> Miss Jones. Mr. Aravalo

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>> here.

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>> Miss Bergmmyer

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>> here.

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>> Mr. Sly. Miss Squire

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>> here.

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>> Mr. Morris

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>> here.

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>> Chair, we have a quorum.

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>> Okay, great.

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>> All right. Next, I will accept a motion

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to approve the agenda.

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>> So move.

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>> Second. All right. All in favor of

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approving the agenda say I.

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>> I.

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>> All oppose. Same.

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>> Okay. Motion carries.

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All right. So the next section on our

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standard agenda is citizen

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participation. So, this is an

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opportunity for citizens to talk about

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anything not on the agenda. You can talk

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about things on the agenda, too, if you

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want. We do have two public hearings

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today. Um, so there'll there will also

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be citizen participation during those

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public hearings, but if you want to

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speak now, you can. We have one person

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signed up, uh, Steve Laughlin.

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You want to Yeah. Do you want to Yeah.

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come come to the front and please just

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state your name and address once you get

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to the microphone

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and then Amy will buzz you after 5

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>> My name is Steve Laughlin. I live at

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19125 West 183rd Street directly across

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the street from this reszoning on this

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plot.

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My concerns about this at Spring Hill's

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planning for the area north of Spring

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Hill is more of a first come, first

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serve, wild west mentality.

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For example, we got loaded up with all

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the businesses east or west of the

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railroad tracks. My house, my street

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today is a highway for concrete trucks,

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cement trucks, semi trucks, RVs because

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of that marvelous RV storage unit we

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have.

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And by reszoning this property and

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bringing this number of residents into

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this neighborhood

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on a street that has no clear artery to

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get get to get out, I cannot comprehend

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the traffic issues that are going to

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develop from this. It worries me. It's

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bad now. This could be a disaster.

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the [clears throat] whole neighborhood

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for a mile and a half through

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we are talking homes on two to five 10

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acres.

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I would like to see the neighborhood

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keep its character rather than having

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hundreds of homes crammed into this

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piece of real estate.

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The other issue is I think I'm going to

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educate some people here

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that that property is in a flood zone.

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I'm gonna I've lived out there since

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1989.

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In the early 90s, wet weather,

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the water that ran down through this

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farm engulfed 183rd Street for 100 to

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150 ft. Not once in the 90s, time after

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time,

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there were four houses down at the creek

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on 183rd Street and one at the creek on

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Ridge View Road. They continually got

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flooded.

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This the county came in and put in two

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new bridges

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trying to make a bigger throat to try to

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get the water through. It didn't work.

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next big rain through the wet period of

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the 90s, it all flooded again and the

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county turned around and bought all five

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houses.

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They've all been moved out. The closest

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one is at the northeast corner of 183rd

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in Ridge View. That house used to be

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down by the creek on Rididge View. So,

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we cleared it out with the problems.

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Now, if we develop this ground, you're

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going to have however however many

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hundreds of homes with the rooftops and

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all of the roads are going to put in and

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it's going to rain like that again. It

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always does. The runoff is going to be

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worse than what it ever has been.

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And on top of that, there's been a lot

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of growth of trees to restrict water

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flow. Now, the embankments are full of

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trees.

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I believe they're kicking the can down

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the road and the problems are only going

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to get worse with this development.

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That's what my concern is

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of the flooding on top of all the

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traffic that it is going to add to this

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little peaceful neighborhood.

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That's the point I wanted to bring up.

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Thank you.

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>> Thank you.

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All right. Mr. Laughlin was the only

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person who signed up. Is there any

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anyone else that would like to speak

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during the citizen participation kind of

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the open time right now?

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If not, we will close it.

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Spencer gavel. No gavvel.

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>> Your choice.

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Um, all right. So, we'll move on to

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formal commission action. Uh, the first

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item on the agenda is approval of the

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minutes from the June 4th meeting. It's

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been a while since we've met. Um, I will

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entertain a a motion to approve the

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minutes from that meeting.

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>> I approve the minutes from the June 4th

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meeting as stands.

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>> Second.

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>> All right. All in favor say I.

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meant to say I. All opposed. Same

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sign. All right. Motion carries

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to approve the uh minutes from the June

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4th meeting.

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Okay. Next order of business is since uh

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Kendra Kvier who was our former

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chairperson

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was recently appointed to the city

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council. So we congratulate her on that.

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I was the vice chair. That's why I'm in

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this chair for the first time tonight.

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Um so we need to nominate a new vice

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chairperson for the planning commission.

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So um we'll open it up for nominations

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and you can nominate yourself.

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>> I'd like to nominate Chuck for chair.

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Not for chair, for vice chair.

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>> For vice chair.

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>> So, so my understanding, what I've been

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told is that the vice chair is

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automatically appointed to the chair.

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>> And then so we're only now uh

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backfilling the vice chair.

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>> All right. Rul, I'll kick it over to you

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>> Do we need a second on

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nominations. Okay.

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>> All right. So, we we have a nomination

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for Ralpho, vice chairperson. Do we have

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any other nominations?

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I move nominations cease.

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We need a second for that.

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» Second. All right. So then, u

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do I need to have a vote on closing the

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nominations?

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>> Okay. All Thank you. All in favor of uh

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closing the nominations. I

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>> say I I all opposed.

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>> All right, the motion carries. Uh we

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have one nomination for vice chairperson

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of the planning commission and it's

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Ralpho Arabelloo.

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Uh so we will do a roll call vote for

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Ralpho's nomination. We'll start from

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all in favor. I need a motion for that.

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because he's nominated.

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>> Okay. So I can just call a roll call.

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>> All right. We'll start on my left.

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Ronaldo. Um, [laughter]

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>> All right. It uh his nomination is

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approved unanimously.

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>> I thought I'd let you set the tone with

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the first vote.

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Okay, moving on.

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Um, all right. So, this is the first of

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two public hearings tonight.

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Uh the first one

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is a resoning application uh from C2 to

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M1 over near Moody's hardware. So I will

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open the public hearing for that and we

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will begin with the staff report.

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» Oh thank you. Have any members of the

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planning commission had any exparte

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communication related to this

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application?

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seeing none, we will proceed.

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>> Okay, perfect. Thank you. Um

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[clears throat] Ian Treference, city

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planner. Before you today's application

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Z26-1,

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Busirus Auto, a resoning request from

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CP2 uh to M1 or sorry, C2 to M1

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commercial district to M1 Light

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Industrial. Uh the proposed resoning is

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on a 1.4 4 acre uh lot which is

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designated in the uh adopted Spring Hill

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comprehensive plan as industrial

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designation.

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Uh the subject property is provided with

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utilities uh water is provided by

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Johnson County Water One sewer by the

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city of Spring Hill and storm with

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regional drainage uh flowing to the

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north. Uh surrounding properties and

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their zoning designations to the north

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is a hardware store zone C2 commercial.

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facility zoned M1 Light Industrial. To

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the south is a retail store zoned M1

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Light Industrial and to the west is K

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Dot Rideway which does not have a zoning

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designation that is uh 169 highway.

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with consideration to uh traffic

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associated with this resoning request.

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Um the city engineer determined that a

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uh the proposed use um which is not

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currently under consideration at this

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time uh but is intended to be a

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automotive repair facility uh will not

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generate sufficient traffic to require a

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traffic study. Uh that being said, the

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time of sight plan application, if it is

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determined that it needs one, it will be

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required as part of that. The site

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itself,

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pull it up here, give an overview of the

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layout and topography is generally flat.

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There is a slight grade uh where the

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property uh falls from the south to the

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north. Let me pull this up and get it

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shared.

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Let me change the background. So, this

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is the subject property right here. As

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you can see, the high point is on the

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southwest corner, uh lowering down as

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you go to the north. Um, this property,

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uh, while not currently tied into

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existing storm water drainage, uh,

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surrounding properties do drain to this

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channel here, uh, which runs off to the

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north, ultimately joining in with a

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broader waterhed that drains down into

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Hillsdale Lake. Um,

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let's see. With respect to the

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comprehensive plan compliance, staff

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reviewed found that the request to go to

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M1 Light Industrial is aligned with the

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comprehensive plan in multiple different

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respects. Uh first and foremost, section

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4.3 growth recommendations which calls

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for the future land use plan

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specifically identifies the property as

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industrial. The uh proposed end use as

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uh automotive repair facility kind of

294
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falls into that light industrial type

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land use uh and therefore complies or

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aligns with that future land use

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designation. Uh additional sections of

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the comprehensive plan uh section 5.9

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industrial development recommendations

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outlines that small businesses should be

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encouraged. Uh the proposed end user is

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a small locally owned business. Um an

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additional recommendation for industrial

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development is that they are located in

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close proximity to US 169 highway. As

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you can see, this is directly adjacent

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to it. There's direct access uh going

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south and then out here. Uh there is

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currently a signalization study being

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undertaken on adding a signal here. I

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believe that is Allison's not here to

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speak to it, so I'll kind of Oh, she is.

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Okay, Austin's here to speak to that,

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but there is a signal that is looking at

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going there. Um, I apologize about that.

316
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[snorts] Uh, so there are multiple parts

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of the comprehensive plan that align

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with this proposed resoning. Uh, so

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staff finds that it does align with the

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comprehensive plan.

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Looking at compatibility with

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surrounding land uses, uh, the

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surrounding properties are developed

324
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with substantively similar types of land

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use, whether that be commercial or

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similar light industrial type. uh with

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the office um our contractor storage

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facility across the street uh and

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commercial to the north and south. Um

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the proposed zoning designation and the

331
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kind of current restrictions to

332
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potential land uses that are available

333
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under the newly adopted M1 light

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industrial kind of align with that

335
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pattern of development. Some of the more

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intensive land uses such as primary

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industry uh general industry those are

338
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restricted to M2 now. Uh so by going to

339
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M1 they're not opening. so to speak, a

340
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can of worms. That would be for the more

341
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intensive land uses. Um, [snorts]

342
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with that, the surrounding properties

343
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are not developed with land uses that

344
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are particularly sensitive to land uses

345
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that do generate uh off-site impacts. Uh

346
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staff does expect uh some form of

347
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adverse impact in the shape of light,

348
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noise and dust nuisances generated just

349
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by standard use of the property uh by

350
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industrial land uses generally. That

351
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being said, considering the properties

352
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uh surrounding uh are developed with

353
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that industrial commercial um they're

354
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typically only operating during daylight

355
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hours uh and they're not residential

356
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that would be severely impacted by these

357
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off-site impacts. And furthermore, as

358
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part of the site planning uh process,

359
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there's an opportunity to mitigate any

360
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particularly concerning off-site impact.

361
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So, um staff does not feel that the

362
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proposed resoning uh would generate a

363
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significant enough adverse impact to uh

364
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not recommend approval. So, staff does

365
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recommend approval for this resoning

366
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request. Stand for any questions.

367
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for Ian.

368
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>> Do the other businesses that are there,

369
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are they designated M1 or [cough] C2s?

370
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:35,120
>> It's a mix.

371
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>> Yeah, it's a mix. So to the north is C2.

372
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Across the street, the contractor

373
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storage is C2. Uh M1 is to the south and

374
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Caddy corner to the southeast. Then

375
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yeah, up north along the road, there's

376
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more M1. So it's a mix.

377
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>> Yeah.

378
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So, I I kind of had a question, a

379
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follow-up question to that, which is

380
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like the Fireworks Mania store, the

381
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dance studio,

382
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um,

383
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>> another one at the 191st. Yeah. Uh,

384
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well, actually, Mellow Fellow is C2,

385
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>> but the fireworks store and the dance

386
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studio, and then one other building are

387
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all M1.

388
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>> Can you imagine? I mean, why would those

389
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have been designated M1 rather than C2?

390
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Because these are just like regular

391
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commercial businesses.

392
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>> Yeah. the exact background as to how

393
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that happened, I'm not certain. Um

394
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I don't have the background for that as

395
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to why it ended up.

396
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>> Okay. But but today it would So like one

397
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of those today would still be C2 rather

398
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than M1. And we're and we're

399
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contemplating M1 here under the new

400
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definition.

401
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:38,960
>> Okay. [clears throat]

402
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,480
>> Yes. Yeah. It would be under the newly

403
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adopted light industrial designation.

404
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,840
>> Okay. which which if I remember

405
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correctly for the most part informs that

406
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the majority of the business activity or

407
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you know will be indoors.

408
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,279
>> That's correct. Yes.

409
00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:55,279
>> Okay.

410
00:25:55,279 --> 00:25:58,400
>> Yeah. Um any outdoor storage would have

411
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to be completely screened from public

412
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view things of that nature. Yes. Uh but

413
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day-to-day operations are enclosed as

414
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part of the design requirements or site

415
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requirements.

416
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>> Are fireworks just allowed in M1 or are

417
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they available in C2? Fireworks are

418
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permitted. They're considered a Oh, it's

419
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retail limited, which I think is both. I

420
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can double check that. But as far as

421
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>> I knew it was in one. I just didn't

422
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,360
remember if it was C2 or not.

423
00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:25,200
>> Yeah.

424
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The reason I raised the question is

425
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because we also approved the overlay

426
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designation.

427
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This wouldn't fit into

428
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doing that, keeping it C2 and

429
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doing an overlay.

430
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,400
>> That would be a route. That being said,

431
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,720
under the newly adopted M1 light

432
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industrial, it would be permitted by

433
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rights. So, um, that is another way to

434
00:26:52,159 --> 00:26:55,440
go about it. That being said,

435
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,120
I don't particularly see a reason to go

436
00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:59,120
down that route. Um, I think that that

437
00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:01,200
just adds additional layers to it that

438
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,159
might not be necessary. Um, but yes,

439
00:27:04,159 --> 00:27:05,279
that would be another way to go about

440
00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:06,559
doing this if you prefer to keep it

441
00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:08,240
seated.

442
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:09,919
>> I mean, the reason I raise it because at

443
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least part of the history of this group

444
00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:15,840
is not wanting to keep constantly keep

445
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,720
changing from one designation to

446
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:24,710
another.

447
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,360
Yeah, Commissioner, [clears throat] I

448
00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:29,279
certainly understand that question. Uh,

449
00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:31,760
when reviewing this and um the

450
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,520
application and a change to from C2 to

451
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,600
M1, we we do look at the surrounding

452
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,600
zoning. Um, and if in a property like

453
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,400
this, if there was not surrounding M1,

454
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,720
uh, the city may not support it. Yeah.

455
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,799
>> Um, and if we were to do a essentially

456
00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:52,559
planned district with a protected

457
00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:54,799
overlay, then we'd be introducing a,

458
00:27:54,799 --> 00:27:56,159
which is not to say it can't be done,

459
00:27:56,159 --> 00:27:58,640
but we'd be introducing a third zoning

460
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,640
into this mix of all the properties

461
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,120
there. Um, and so given that the

462
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:05,360
property next door to the south is M1

463
00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:07,039
and then the the other property where

464
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:10,320
the Spring Hill car wash will be um will

465
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,279
be M1 and their surrounding zoning of M1

466
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in the area. we felt that it was an

467
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appropriate request. Um, but I certainly

468
00:28:18,159 --> 00:28:22,640
do understand that question and that is a option to go that route but

469
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,120
based upon the request uh we we felt

470
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that it was appropriate.

471
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:32,230
>> Okay. Thank you.

472
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,799
» Are there any other questions for staff

473
00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:37,919
at this point?

474
00:28:37,919 --> 00:28:40,559
Um, does the applicant want to address

475
00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:49,669
the commission?

476
00:28:49,679 --> 00:28:52,480
Todd Allenbrand, 102 Abbey Avenue,

477
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,559
Kansas City, Kansas. I'm just uh here

478
00:28:54,559 --> 00:28:57,039
with Jason Booze, the owner and of the

479
00:28:57,039 --> 00:28:58,480
property as well as the owner of the

480
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,159
business. And we're just in agreement

481
00:29:00,159 --> 00:29:02,960
with uh the staff report and you know,

482
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,320
kind of the main direction of going to

483
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,640
the M1. If you remember, I had another

484
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,559
case with you guys previously where we

485
00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:12,640
did we had the M1 because we couldn't we

486
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,120
had to go to the MP the planned zoning

487
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,880
because you didn't have the same thing

488
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,480
you have set up now the M1 light

489
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,399
industrial. So changing to that new

490
00:29:20,399 --> 00:29:22,240
zoning

491
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,240
really is helpful in businesses like

492
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,799
this because all like like you said all

493
00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:28,720
his business 100% of his business is

494
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,880
inside during the day. Now, he does have

495
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,799
a he'll have a facility in the back

496
00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:34,799
where he'll keep cars that they need to

497
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:36,320
pull out, wait for people to pick up,

498
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,080
and it's but there's no activity back

499
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,080
there business-wise other than storage

500
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,880
and holding cars for people. But

501
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,159
everything is 100% inside. And I mean,

502
00:29:46,159 --> 00:29:48,159
we looked at the C2 or we looked kind of

503
00:29:48,159 --> 00:29:49,520
at the same thing we looked at before,

504
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,840
but with the new zoning coming up, that

505
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,679
was seemed like the most reasonable

506
00:29:53,679 --> 00:29:55,840
direction to head for what he's wanting

507
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,200
to do. And if you have any other

508
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:58,880
questions, we're here to answer them. If

509
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,159
you have some specific questions about

510
00:30:00,159 --> 00:30:02,960
his future business, Jason probably be

511
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,159
happy to get up and answer any

512
00:30:04,159 --> 00:30:07,039
questions.

513
00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:09,600
>> Thanks. Thanks. Any questions? All

514
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:15,190
right. Thank you.

515
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:16,880
» All right. This is uh the time in this

516
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,159
public hearing where if there's any

517
00:30:18,159 --> 00:30:19,840
members of the public who would like to

518
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,440
speak on this agenda item, you may

519
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,520
approach the lect turn and start with

520
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:31,430
your name and address.

521
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,240
Okay. Don't see any uh do any of members

522
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:40,549
Oh, sorry. John, come on up.

523
00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:44,720
» John Waterman, uh 21110 West uh 186

524
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:49,039
Terrace, uh Dayton Creek. Uh so I live

525
00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:51,520
uh just to the west of of this uh

526
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,720
subject property and I know that in the

527
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,159
past uh

528
00:30:58,159 --> 00:31:02,480
businesses developed along 169 there uh

529
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,200
namely like the storage facilities

530
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,000
have you know we've had some issues with

531
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,840
the kind of just lower grade fencing

532
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,200
that's been kind of directly lining 169.

533
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,279
So, my only, you know, concern with with

534
00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:21,760
this, you know, being a being an auto

535
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,960
shop and that being the the rear of the

536
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,880
auto shop where the where the yard would

537
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,600
be, is that that that fence is very

538
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:34,640
aesthetic and pleasing to to to 2169.

539
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,640
So, just to keep, you know, decent

540
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:41,279
character to the city. So, um I I expect

541
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:42,880
that with the new zoning, I think

542
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,880
there's that those additional

543
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,880
requirements to to to allow for that,

544
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,279
but just just be mindful of that. I

545
00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:56,640
mean, I know we're not talking about the site plan or anything right now, but

546
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,200
uh it would just be just be nice to kind

547
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:00,880
of, you know, assure that we'll have

548
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,320
that uh that character uh protected. So,

549
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,080
thank you.

550
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:10,549
>> Thanks, John.

551
00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:11,760
Are there any other members of the

552
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:17,029
public who would like to speak?

553
00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:18,880
Okay.

554
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,159
Uh, seeing none,

555
00:32:22,159 --> 00:32:27,430
I'll close the public public hearing.

556
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,519
Uh, so the hearing is closed. Any

557
00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:31,840
deliberation among the planning

558
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,000
commission members? Um, I I'll just make

559
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,120
a comment that um I agree with Mr.

560
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,360
Waterman's concerns about the the visual

561
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,240
aspects of it. But I'm confident that

562
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,960
with our new staff and and new zoning,

563
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,760
once we get to the site plan um approval

564
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,679
stage, the preliminary and the the

565
00:32:49,679 --> 00:32:51,679
final, I think we'll uh have the

566
00:32:51,679 --> 00:32:52,799
opportunity to weigh in on that and

567
00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:54,240
we'll probably see some renderings of

568
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:55,840
and and we'll see those requirements at

569
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,799
that time after this resoning tonight.

570
00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:00,640
Um so I I'm confident that it'll be

571
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,480
better than what we've done in the past.

572
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,320
>> Yeah. And I'll I'll echo and say, you

573
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,159
know, I think the location itself is

574
00:33:08,159 --> 00:33:09,440
appropriate. You know, we heard

575
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,399
discussion earlier about um this area

576
00:33:12,399 --> 00:33:14,399
just west of the tracks and we've spoken

577
00:33:14,399 --> 00:33:16,640
of this area before keeping it focused

578
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,640
on commercial industrial and for the

579
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,960
reason of keeping the traffic as close

580
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,399
to the highway as possible. So, we're

581
00:33:22,399 --> 00:33:24,399
not pulling that heavy duty traffic

582
00:33:24,399 --> 00:33:26,399
further into the residential area. So, I

583
00:33:26,399 --> 00:33:27,919
think keeping the zoning closer to the

584
00:33:27,919 --> 00:33:29,519
highway so they have quick access is

585
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:32,710
appropriate.

586
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,559
Ian, you said that he was bringing

587
00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:39,509
everything from us over, correct?

588
00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:40,799
» I'm sorry. Could you repeat that?

589
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:45,360
>> He your statement earlier bringing

590
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,760
the Cyrus piece over to Spring Hill for

591
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:48,640
this property.

592
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,919
>> I will let the applicant speak to that.

593
00:33:51,919 --> 00:33:54,159
>> It's also not necessarily part of a

594
00:33:54,159 --> 00:33:55,760
reasoning request as to what he's

595
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,279
bringing over and what's going to be on

596
00:33:57,279 --> 00:33:58,399
there. So,

597
00:33:58,399 --> 00:34:02,470
>> I'm asking simply because

598
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,600
In this piece, we're talking about the

599
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,119
cars in the back of the building.

600
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:10,720
Knowledge of knowing that he's also in

601
00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:14,560
Biryus could be a backup plan.

602
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:15,119
>> Well, he's

603
00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:16,320
>> cars in storage. That's the only reason

604
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:16,800
I'm

605
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,200
>> Todd Alenbrand. Uh he's not going to be

606
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,440
in Biryus anymore. He's going to move

607
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,320
his whole facility to this location. And

608
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,159
even though the site plan's not in front

609
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:27,520
of you, I can share with you that he's

610
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,520
going to have a solid fence around the

611
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,200
back and landscaping along 169. So that

612
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,520
should satisfy, you know, any concerns,

613
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,720
I would hope.

614
00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:39,200
>> Thanks.

615
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:43,040
>> Great. Thanks for adding that.

616
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,639
>> Any other comments? And and if there are

617
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:51,750
none, I will a motion.

618
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,679
I move to recommend approval of

619
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:57,760
reszoning application Z26-3

620
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,680
from C2

621
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,000
general business to M1.

622
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,359
>> Second.

623
00:35:03,359 --> 00:35:05,839
>> Right. Have a motion in a second. We

624
00:35:05,839 --> 00:35:08,000
will start the vote from the right.

625
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,119
>> I.

626
00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:13,520
>> All right. The motion carries.

627
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,109
5 Z.

628
00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:20,160
All right. Moving on to agenda item

629
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,640
number four.

630
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,400
This will be another public hearing. So

631
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,119
we'll open that public hearing. And this

632
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:29,760
is for a reasonzoning request and

633
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,720
preliminary plat application for 152

634
00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:38,310
acres near 183rd Wood Road.

635
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:43,119
» Oh, thank you. I always forget that. Um,

636
00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:45,440
I need the commission members to

637
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,320
disclose any exparte contacts, if any,

638
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,079
that they might have regarding this

639
00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:51,359
case, including the nature of

640
00:35:51,359 --> 00:35:53,920
communication and whom it was with, and

641
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,359
also, if you have any conflicts of

642
00:35:55,359 --> 00:35:58,390
interest?

643
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,960
» Nope. I I don't either. Um, but I will

644
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,119
say I live downstream from this

645
00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:05,839
development um

646
00:36:05,839 --> 00:36:07,920
along the same creek, but I don't think

647
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,480
that's going to inform my impartiality

648
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,400
in this. So, Ian, we'll hand it over to

649
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,720
you.

650
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:17,760
Thank you. Yeah. So, this is application

651
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,599
E26-2 and PP26-1, a resoning and

652
00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:23,520
preliminary plan for Sunset Pharma

653
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,960
Estates. Uh, the applicant is requesting

654
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:31,920
approval of a reszoning from RR to RP1

655
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,160
single family residential as well as

656
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:35,599
approval of a preliminary plan

657
00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:38,320
containing 149 single family residential

658
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,280
lots on approximately 153 acres of land

659
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,400
located at the northeast corner of 183rd

660
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,200
Street in Woodland Road. Uh, before I

661
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,440
begin, I do have a correction. Uh, in

662
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,359
the staff report, I stated that there

663
00:36:51,359 --> 00:36:53,200
are no modifications being requested.

664
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,359
That is incorrect. The applicant is

665
00:36:55,359 --> 00:36:58,240
requesting one modification uh to permit

666
00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:01,119
accessory structures uh up to a size of

667
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:04,000
1,200 square feet. Um I'll get into that

668
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,040
a little bit more, but I wanted to

669
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:06,560
clarify that that staff letter had an

670
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,240
incorrect statement. We'll get into

671
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:10,560
that.

672
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,000
I'll first start kind of broad with

673
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,680
sight specific details and then I'll

674
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,520
move into resoning. After I'm done with

675
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:16,800
the resoning component, we'll move into

676
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,400
the preliminary plan. Um so at a broad

677
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,400
level the subject property is provided

678
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:27,440
with utilities uh water being from water sorry Johnson County water one uh

679
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,079
sewer from the city of Spring Hill and

680
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:32,320
storm water management will utilize wet

681
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,800
detention in the existing ponds located

682
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,880
kind of central in the property and to

683
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:41,839
the southeast uh as well as uh outflow

684
00:37:41,839 --> 00:37:44,640
going along 183rd into the headarters

685
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,720
blue river watershed

686
00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:48,720
a storm water impact analysis review

687
00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:50,880
potential 100-year flooding on 183rd

688
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,960
Street and Ridgeview Road bridges. Um,

689
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,720
I'll

690
00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:56,400
leave the questions for specifics to

691
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,079
that to Allison if there are any. Um,

692
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:02,480
surrounding zoning to the north is

693
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,119
agricultural uh, I guess surrounding

694
00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:07,200
development types and zoning. Uh, to

695
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,359
north is agricultural property zoned M1,

696
00:38:09,359 --> 00:38:12,800
light industrial. Uh to the east are

697
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,400
large lot single family residential

698
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,839
properties zoned PRLD that is a Johnson

699
00:38:17,839 --> 00:38:19,760
County unincorporated zoning district

700
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,480
for large lot single family residential.

701
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,040
Uh to the south is large lot residential

702
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,760
zoned rur within the city and to the

703
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,480
west is agricultural property zoned M1

704
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:35,599
sing or M1 light industrial. Um, let me

705
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:38,720
pull this up real quick

706
00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:46,150
so you can see.

707
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:50,150
So to the

708
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:54,320
this is the subject property right here.

709
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,880
uh this kind of oblong shaped one uh to

710
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,680
the southwest caddy corner across

711
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,200
Woodland Road and 183rd and the uh

712
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,000
railroad tracks uh is a fully developed

713
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,800
industrial uh facility and site. Uh this

714
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,599
is the Monarch concrete cement plant. Uh

715
00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:13,599
just for reference that is an additional

716
00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:15,520
use of note within the proximity of the

717
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,599
subject property.

718
00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:21,440
Uh let's see. That being said, I'll now

719
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,480
move into the resoning specific details.

720
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,560
Uh staff reviewed compatibility uh of

721
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,240
the subject property and surrounding

722
00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:30,960
properties. Um

723
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,160
surrounding properties are developed

724
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,920
with a mix of residential agricultural

725
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,079
and some industrial. Uh once again,

726
00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:37,760
notably the Monarch plant to the

727
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,560
southwest. uh given the significant

728
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,880
level of buffering uh spatially between

729
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,480
this property and the monarch cement

730
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,079
staff does not believe that it's going

731
00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:49,920
to uh have a very significant impact on

732
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,359
the subject property and doesn't think

733
00:39:51,359 --> 00:39:54,640
that it's uh necessarily incompatible

734
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,119
because of that. Um the other

735
00:39:57,119 --> 00:39:59,680
surrounding property and land uses being

736
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,000
uh other forms of large acreage lot

737
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,960
style uh single family or kind of piano

738
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,359
key rural residential single family uh

739
00:40:07,359 --> 00:40:10,560
are also uh substantively similar enough

740
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,320
to be compatible. Um the proposed

741
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:15,680
project which we'll kind of get into

742
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,720
more specifics um they're predominantly

743
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:21,119
about halfacre size lots. So it's not

744
00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:23,119
very small, you know, tightly built

745
00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:25,119
residential, uh, but they're kind of

746
00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:28,400
larger in size. Um, so their level of

747
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,200
footprint and impact is pretty similar

748
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,320
as far as residential goes.

749
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,079
Uh, so because of that, staff feels that

750
00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:37,200
the compatibility of the subject

751
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:38,560
property and the reasoning designation

752
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,280
to RP1 is [laughter] is a fair and

753
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,599
appropriate one.

754
00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:45,839
Looking at detrimental effects of the uh

755
00:40:45,839 --> 00:40:48,320
proposed resoning uh developing the

756
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:49,839
property as single family residential

757
00:40:49,839 --> 00:40:52,320
under the RP1 zoning designation will

758
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,960
have a impact in the form of additional

759
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,040
generated traffic. Uh there was a

760
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,440
completed traffic study uh done last

761
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,480
year which looked at a uh single family

762
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,680
subdivision uh containing 149 homes. Uh

763
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:06,960
that traffic study concluded that there

764
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,400
were no additional improvements that

765
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:09,760
were required to accommodate that

766
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:14,560
additional traffic flow. Uh early 2026,

767
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,040
there was a traffic memo that was filed

768
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,079
with staff subsequently that looked at

769
00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:22,000
um the impact that the school season

770
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,000
would have on those traffic counts and

771
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,560
found that when accounting for uh school

772
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,040
season specific traffic in addition to

773
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,680
the proposed subdivision, uh the

774
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,440
findings of the original impact study

775
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,910
were not changed. Um,

776
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,079
as far as suitability for development of

777
00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:42,480
this site, uh, the property does have

778
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,280
sufficient frontage on both 183rd and

779
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,119
Windwood Road for multiple points of

780
00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:50,480
access as needed to satisfy fire safety

781
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,119
and subdivision regulations. Um,

782
00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:54,720
utilities are either readily available

783
00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:57,920
on the site or can be extended. Uh,

784
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,480
sanitary sewer service is provided from

785
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,200
the south as part of the northeast sewer

786
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,720
program. Yes. Uh and then water lines

787
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:10,160
are provided along 183rd and then storm

788
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,960
water is provided via this offshoot and

789
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,119
going souththeast.

790
00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:18,000
Um so because of that the property is

791
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,319
suitable for development if reszoned to

792
00:42:20,319 --> 00:42:23,040
single family.

793
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,359
Lastly moving into the preliminary plat

794
00:42:25,359 --> 00:42:27,920
portion. Um once again the subject

795
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,000
property is being proposed uh to be

796
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,640
developed as 149 single family

797
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,119
residential lots. Uh the average lot

798
00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:37,760
size is 0.64 acres. So a little over

799
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,480
half an acre in size with a minimum of

800
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,560
0.48 acres and a maximum of 1.28 acres.

801
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:53,030
Let me swap this over.

802
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,440
With respect to elevations, uh, the

803
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,280
applicant is requesting approval of

804
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,920
conceptual elevations.

805
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:02,800
Here

806
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:07,200
we go. Um, I'll let the appliced

807
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,680
elevations here, but staff intends on

808
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,680
kind of reviewing the following criteria

809
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,599
when looking at conceptual elevations as

810
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:15,680
permits come through. uh notably a

811
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,480
variation in roof line pitches, uh

812
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,400
higher end residential materials, so

813
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,280
looking at that stucco stone, uh minimal

814
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,920
amounts of lap sighting, uh breaking up,

815
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,480
um monotonous facades with either

816
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,079
windows or decoration, um ornamentation,

817
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:35,760
things of that nature. Um

818
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,680
so with that, staff feels that the

819
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,200
conceptual elevations, it's not the

820
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:40,400
first time that we've come through with

821
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,560
this. Um so if there's any questions

822
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,400
about that, please let me know. uh we

823
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,800
feel like we're able to handle that in

824
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,800
terms of ensuring that your vision for

825
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,640
what that might look like is realized

826
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,359
with the final product. Um the applicant

827
00:43:53,359 --> 00:43:55,359
indicated that the lot size of the lots

828
00:43:55,359 --> 00:43:57,760
is intended to accommodate side loading

829
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,240
garages in addition to front loading. Um

830
00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:01,760
which I'll let them speak more to that

831
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:02,960
but just know that that was one of the

832
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,720
intents with these elevations. It's not

833
00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:06,079
necessarily clearly represented, but

834
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:11,520
that is a intended form of a home.

835
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,440
With respect to rideway and easement

836
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,109
acquisition,

837
00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:20,000
uh the developer is providing 50 ft of

838
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,760
rideway for all internal streets as well

839
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,760
as additional rightway acquisition along

840
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,920
both the 183rd and Woodland Road uh

841
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,680
rideways uh to facilitate uh required uh

842
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,839
improvements to the road. So, notably,

843
00:44:33,839 --> 00:44:38,800
uh there will be a um shoulder, uh and

844
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,599
oh jeez, I can let Alison speak to that

845
00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:42,720
a little bit, but I do that there's

846
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:44,319
going to be shoulder improvements uh

847
00:44:44,319 --> 00:44:47,200
which will be part of that. Um,

848
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:48,800
additionally, which is kind of hard to

849
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,520
see here, but there is a 10-foot uh

850
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,319
concrete trail that runs along both

851
00:44:54,319 --> 00:44:57,200
frontages uh that will be uh part of a

852
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:58,560
tract on the subdivision, but available

853
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,720
to the public for use. Uh so that is an

854
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:01,920
additional improvement that's being

855
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,760
required as part of this application

856
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,119
public trail. [snorts]

857
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:08,800
Uh if there are any additional easements

858
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,319
that are required beyond those that are

859
00:45:10,319 --> 00:45:12,640
standard uh those will be sought during

860
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,599
the final plat process as part of uh the

861
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:17,520
findings of the final public improvement

862
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,160
plan. So if there's need for some

863
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,079
extension of sanitary or water in a

864
00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:23,680
certain area, we don't have required

865
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,520
we'll come back for that via the final

866
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,240
plat process. Um so all that to say

867
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:29,680
staff does recommend approval with

868
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:33,760
conditions. Uh I have three here. Um

869
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,920
first uh all recommendations of approval

870
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,920
list in the engineering staff report.

871
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,839
Second that the proposed trail located

872
00:45:39,839 --> 00:45:41,839
along Woodland Road in 183rd Street is

873
00:45:41,839 --> 00:45:43,760
to be constructed of concrete. And third

874
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,200
that the maintenance agreement for tract

875
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,079
H uh which is located to the uh

876
00:45:48,079 --> 00:45:49,680
souththeast

877
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,920
uh which is a lift station that'll serve

878
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,720
for san sewer service. uh a maintenance

879
00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:56,240
agreement for that track to be required

880
00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:59,119
prior to the reporting of final plat. Um

881
00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:00,720
I just realized I did not kind of expand

882
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:02,319
a little bit more on the accessory

883
00:46:02,319 --> 00:46:04,640
structure. Um

884
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,760
I will kind of backtrack once again. Um

885
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,839
the applicant is seeking approval of a

886
00:46:09,839 --> 00:46:11,280
modification to our development

887
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,599
standards to permit up to 1,200 square

888
00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:17,520
ft accessory structures. Um, under the

889
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,506
adopted zoning code, um, there are two

890
00:46:20,506 --> 00:46:22,000
[cough] forms of detached structures

891
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,440
that are permitted with different sizing

892
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,760
requirements. Uh, detached garages are

893
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,920
permitted up to 1,000 square feet and

894
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,640
accessory structures generally are 120

895
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,440
square ft. Their proposed modification

896
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,359
does not grant an increase to the number

897
00:46:35,359 --> 00:46:37,680
of detached structures. So, it would

898
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,079
permit the addition of a detached

899
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:42,079
accessory structure. Uh, so that could

900
00:46:42,079 --> 00:46:43,920
be either a detached garage or detached

901
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,319
shed up to 1,200 square feet, but they

902
00:46:46,319 --> 00:46:48,480
cannot have both. So either it's an

903
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,280
attached garage or a detached garage or

904
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,880
a detached shed up to 1,200 square feet.

905
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,880
If that made sense, great. If not, let

906
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,560
me know. I try and explain. Um, so if PC

907
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,560
wishes, sorry, plan commission wishes to

908
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:03,520
recommend approval with that

909
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,240
modification, let me know and we can

910
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:07,599
craft some language to go with the

911
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:09,839
motion to add that. uh because it wasn't

912
00:47:09,839 --> 00:47:11,359
necessarily part of the staff report

913
00:47:11,359 --> 00:47:15,440
explicitly. Um so yes, thank you.

914
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,760
>> Um Ian, are those accessory like the

915
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,400
detach garage or detach shop, are those

916
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,720
the reason this is RP1 rather than R1?

917
00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:25,440
>> That is correct. Yes.

918
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,839
>> Um and

919
00:47:27,839 --> 00:47:30,960
those detached buildings, would they be

920
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,760
permitted ever to contain accessory

921
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,160
dwelling units

922
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,000
>> under our adopted code? I do not believe

923
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,839
so. I can double check, but as far as

924
00:47:39,839 --> 00:47:40,720
I'm more aware, we do not have any

925
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:42,400
accessory dwelling unit standards that

926
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:43,839
are adopted. So,

927
00:47:43,839 --> 00:47:44,240
>> okay.

928
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:44,640
>> No,

929
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:45,920
>> because that would, you know,

930
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,839
potentially affect the the density,

931
00:47:47,839 --> 00:47:48,160
right?

932
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:48,640
>> Yes.

933
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,880
>> Residents and housing. So, okay, that's

934
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,440
good.

935
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,160
>> Um, does the applicant want to address

936
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,240
the planning commission,

937
00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:05,910
>> the agent?

938
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,599
Just state your name and business

939
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:09,680
address.

940
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:14,790
>> My name is Tim.

941
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,760
I'm here on behalf of uh CNC

942
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,880
Development. Uh three of the property

943
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,480
owners are here also. Um

944
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,480
we're in agreement with all three

945
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:31,119
stipulations. Um I'll uh I guess address

946
00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:33,520
a couple of items. I think staff did a

947
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,400
really good job describing the property

948
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,200
and the project that we're doing here,

949
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,160
but uh the citizen that came up and is

950
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,640
talking about traffic and concerns with

951
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,280
the flooding, I was going to touch base

952
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,119
on those a little bit. As far as the

953
00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:51,920
flooding, we're aware there is county

954
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,240
flood plane that goes through the

955
00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:57,440
property. FEMA flood plane comes up to

956
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,240
183rd Street along our east property

957
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:04,160
line is Wolf uh Trib of Wolf Creek.

958
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,880
That's the bigger trip of the two and

959
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,839
that's a county study under the Blue

960
00:49:09,839 --> 00:49:12,800
River wershed study. And then the trip

961
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,920
that goes up to the pond and up to uh

962
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:20,400
Woodland Road is a nonregulatory flood

963
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,400
plane also. But it we're maintaining

964
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,119
both of the flood planes uh with stream

965
00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:30,240
corridor setbacks meeting metro

966
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:32,640
requirements on that stream corridor

967
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,040
setbacks. We're providing storm water

968
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,760
detention on the pond located in the

969
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,000
midsection which will retain our

970
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,079
property for the 210 and the 100redyear

971
00:49:42,079 --> 00:49:46,079
storm back to pre-existing. So

972
00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:49,119
183rd Street, the flooding that he

973
00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:52,480
described is modeled in the Blue River

974
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,960
watershed study. So we're well aware of

975
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,800
that.

976
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,920
We're not fixing that problem, but we're

977
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:02,400
not going to make it any worse.

978
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,440
And uh and then we're also doing storm

979
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:09,599
water quality uh treatment on the site

980
00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:12,720
primarily through natural vegetation in

981
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:14,880
the properties that are being protected

982
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,800
along the east property line for the

983
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,800
stream corridor and then the stream

984
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,200
corridor going through

985
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,760
um the center of the property through

986
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,760
that uh pond and the pond will also be

987
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,720
used for extended uh center of wet

988
00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:30,640
detention from a water quality

989
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,520
standpoint. So that's further detaining

990
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,559
it for basically the one year the water

991
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:38,800
quality storm events just slightly less

992
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:43,280
than a one-year storm event. Um

993
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,520
then if we're talking about traffic, we

994
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,240
did traffic study and staff had reviewed

995
00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:51,359
that staff had come back and the main

996
00:50:51,359 --> 00:50:53,599
comment they had from our first traffic

997
00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:55,280
study [clears throat] was they wanted

998
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,160
traffic counts during the school year.

999
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,599
So there was traffic counts done in May

1000
00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:05,839
and uh a revised study and it was

1001
00:51:05,839 --> 00:51:07,760
revised study to the previous one we've

1002
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,040
done basically acknowledging that really

1003
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,520
the school traffic didn't really change

1004
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:17,440
the volumes much. The existing

1005
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,599
um level of service for that

1006
00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:21,520
intersection was an A which is the

1007
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,280
highest. You've got a level service of A

1008
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:27,760
to F and A is your best. And in existing

1009
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,800
condition right now, it's rated as a

1010
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,440
level service of A. With the proposed

1011
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,720
development, it it does increase

1012
00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:39,119
traffic, but the level of service drops

1013
00:51:39,119 --> 00:51:42,160
to a B, which is still very high. And

1014
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,000
then they looked at the future

1015
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,720
projections out to

1016
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:51,040
uh 2045 I believe and they still were

1017
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:57,280
projecting a level of service of B. So

1018
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,000
they they recommended it does doesn't

1019
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,920
warrant any um signalization any turn

1020
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,000
lanes.

1021
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:10,800
So that's response to the traffic. Um,

1022
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,200
other than that, I I'll stand for any

1023
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,760
questions that may come up. Uh, we'll do

1024
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,200
our best to answer them.

1025
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,359
>> I have a question about the detention

1026
00:52:21,359 --> 00:52:24,240
and the treatment. So, obviously those

1027
00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:27,040
two ponds are there today. Um, I don't

1028
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,839
know if they were added to deal with the

1029
00:52:29,839 --> 00:52:32,160
flooding or or if they just are there

1030
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,800
naturally. Um, but are there are there

1031
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,319
any changes or improvements that you're

1032
00:52:36,319 --> 00:52:39,200
doing to what's already there to

1033
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:40,720
accommodate this development or do you

1034
00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:42,800
feel like the vegetation, the size of

1035
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,200
the detention pond in the center and the

1036
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,040
one on the southeast, you didn't

1037
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:48,960
describe that one as detention, but that

1038
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,200
those are sufficient to handle this

1039
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,760
added runoff or are you actually making

1040
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,440
improvements or some changes to these?

1041
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,280
>> We're making improvements to the the

1042
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:58,160
large one.

1043
00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:59,599
>> Okay.

1044
00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:01,760
>> So, we're we're

1045
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:03,760
redoing the dam. I mean, majority of the

1046
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,359
dam's going to stay, but we're making

1047
00:53:05,359 --> 00:53:07,680
improvements, raising it a little bit.

1048
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,480
We're revising the outlet structure,

1049
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,880
increasing the capacity

1050
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,720
so the water surface I think actually

1051
00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:19,910
lowers slightly so we can store

1052
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:23,520
couple of feet before you know it's the

1053
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,520
first couple feet's going to be detained

1054
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:30,160
to a small small outlet structure. Um a

1055
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,280
small pond is just a water feature.

1056
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,200
We're not planning on doing anything to

1057
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,839
that as far as improvements.

1058
00:53:37,839 --> 00:53:40,559
And then we're not touching anything on

1059
00:53:40,559 --> 00:53:44,720
the east side along the stream.

1060
00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:46,640
Um Ian, real quick, I think it would be

1061
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,640
helpful to if you can pull the aims back

1062
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:52,160
up and put the flood zone layer on

1063
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:53,839
because I think it really speaks to the

1064
00:53:53,839 --> 00:53:56,000
layout of the if you take a snapshot of

1065
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,839
this layout where all that drainage is

1066
00:53:57,839 --> 00:53:59,839
going and then

1067
00:53:59,839 --> 00:54:02,160
having pull up the as map here, turn on

1068
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,319
the flood layer, I think it's a good

1069
00:54:04,319 --> 00:54:05,760
layout in terms of respects that

1070
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:07,520
drainage right now and those existing

1071
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,160
bodies of water holding areas and

1072
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,319
responds to them

1073
00:54:12,319 --> 00:54:13,839
because you can see right there, this is

1074
00:54:13,839 --> 00:54:16,319
the flood area you Mr. of I think was

1075
00:54:16,319 --> 00:54:19,200
speaking to and the proposed design

1076
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:20,800
really does I think respect these areas

1077
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,960
and stays away from it. I think another

1078
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,119
thing to speak to also just for kind of

1079
00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:27,119
everyone's sake because a storm water

1080
00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:28,960
protection plan was had to be done for

1081
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:29,839
this. Right.

1082
00:54:29,839 --> 00:54:30,559
>> Correct.

1083
00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:32,880
>> So a lot of times that storm water prot

1084
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:34,400
protection plan is a big old document

1085
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:35,760
they have to go through and engineer and

1086
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,319
show all preexisting conditions to and

1087
00:54:38,319 --> 00:54:40,079
then show the postdevelopment

1088
00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:41,040
conditions. Right.

1089
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:41,440
>> Correct.

1090
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,760
>> And you can't exceed those discharge

1091
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,760
rates of the pre-existing conditions.

1092
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:46,160
Correct.

1093
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:46,720
>> That's correct.

1094
00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:49,119
>> Okay. And that's all in getting reviewed

1095
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:50,160
and everything. Right.

1096
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,319
>> Yes. So, it's I'm just it's not that you

1097
00:54:52,319 --> 00:54:53,839
can just lay everything down wherever

1098
00:54:53,839 --> 00:54:56,880
you want. We have to there are rules and

1099
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,960
regulations we have to follow, too. And

1100
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:00,319
that's just to help everyone else

1101
00:55:00,319 --> 00:55:01,920
listening to that. You know, there's

1102
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,440
storm water protection plans we have to

1103
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,079
abide by. And I think the layout's

1104
00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:08,960
responding to the flood zones in a great

1105
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,480
way. Um, so I just want to say that out

1106
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,079
there for the the whole drainage and

1107
00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:16,640
flooding areas.

1108
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,400
That was helpful for me at least seeing

1109
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,559
that.

1110
00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:22,240
>> I'd be concerned if they were removing

1111
00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:24,000
some of those.

1112
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:25,680
>> Yeah.

1113
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,520
See, I I I know you can't do the

1114
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:28,800
split screen, but I literally have the

1115
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,480
plat plan pulled up right next to the

1116
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,480
flood plan side by side, and it does a

1117
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,040
good job just referring to one another.

1118
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:36,800
So,

1119
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,440
>> chair, could I ask that the applicant's

1120
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,000
representative discuss the difference

1121
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,440
between the [clears throat]

1122
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,480
flood plane that's highlighted in the

1123
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,359
dark blue on the south side of 183rd

1124
00:55:51,359 --> 00:55:53,920
which is the true flood plane and what

1125
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,160
is highlighted in light blue here on

1126
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:57,760
this property.

1127
00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:59,440
>> Yes,

1128
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:00,160
>> absolutely.

1129
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:01,280
>> Dr. Can you

1130
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,520
>> Yeah, I touched on that earlier but uh

1131
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,000
so the dark blue is the FEMA flood

1132
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,119
plane. So that's federally regulated. So

1133
00:56:09,119 --> 00:56:10,400
when you get into that, you start

1134
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,520
dealing with the state and you start

1135
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:17,760
dealing with um FEMA.

1136
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,640
So all of our property is in what's

1137
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,359
called the the light blue would be your

1138
00:56:23,359 --> 00:56:26,319
county study. So that's it's actually

1139
00:56:26,319 --> 00:56:28,319
part of the Blue River watershed study

1140
00:56:28,319 --> 00:56:31,280
which is a county study that what they

1141
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:37,119
do is they extend it up to the uh

1142
00:56:37,119 --> 00:56:39,520
160 acre point I believe is where they

1143
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:43,760
typically would stop it. And so the the

1144
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,319
county has been a little

1145
00:56:46,319 --> 00:56:49,280
proactive I guess you would say. So FEMA

1146
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,160
only recognizes

1147
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:55,200
the flood plane at the time that the

1148
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,760
study was adopted. It doesn't look at

1149
00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:59,839
future development.

1150
00:56:59,839 --> 00:57:02,960
So when the Blue River wershed study

1151
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,680
went through, the county also did what's

1152
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:09,280
called a future development flood plane.

1153
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,680
So they took into account all of the

1154
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,240
undeveloped grounds. They looked at the

1155
00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:18,160
master plans for all the cities and Then

1156
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:19,760
there was areas that were outside of

1157
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,064
that that was county and they

1158
00:57:22,064 --> 00:57:26,799
[clears throat] they used um

1159
00:57:26,799 --> 00:57:30,319
a a runoff value to account for some

1160
00:57:30,319 --> 00:57:31,920
kind of development which is a little

1161
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,480
bit higher than residential but it's not

1162
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,839
like a commercial development. So, so

1163
00:57:37,839 --> 00:57:40,559
they could develop a planned future

1164
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:43,760
planned flood plane, which is what we

1165
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,559
use to make sure that that stays off

1166
00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:52,400
everybody's lots. So, that's what the blue is, and it extends up further.

1167
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,240
So, there's already it's already been ma

1168
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,520
modeled by the county. Now,

1169
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:01,760
we can tweak that. you you can't the the

1170
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,480
county

1171
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,400
let you get into it but you can't cause

1172
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:10,400
a rise off your property. So like the

1173
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,400
trip that goes up through through the

1174
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,880
pond does not leave our property. So

1175
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,640
technically

1176
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,200
we could encroach into it and create

1177
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,640
rises but it impacts our property. But

1178
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,040
we would also produce

1179
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,359
a study showing that we're still

1180
00:58:27,359 --> 00:58:29,280
protecting all the lots around our

1181
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,440
development, which we've already done

1182
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:32,799
that.

1183
00:58:32,799 --> 00:58:35,920
>> The uh flood plane there. Then on the

1184
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,640
east side, which is future county flood

1185
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:42,160
plane, um we stayed we've kept it

1186
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,640
completely off our lots

1187
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,119
and aren't touching any of the doing any

1188
00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:48,400
grading around there, removing any of

1189
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,240
the trees.

1190
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,079
But I think a lot of that is not on your

1191
00:58:52,079 --> 00:58:54,880
property though, those trees.

1192
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:56,400
>> Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Some of them

1193
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:01,030
are not.

1194
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,200
» Does that help?

1195
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,760
Now I appreciate the explanation. So now

1196
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,160
I know that I live in the dark blue.

1197
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:11,349
>> Yes.

1198
00:59:11,359 --> 00:59:16,799
» Um, any other questions for Mr. Tucker?

1199
00:59:16,799 --> 00:59:17,680
I've got my

1200
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:21,200
>> my assumption since two of your two of

1201
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:25,520
the entryways are on woodland

1202
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,839
that there'll be some pavement that'll

1203
00:59:27,839 --> 00:59:30,160
have to be done on woodland.

1204
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:31,440
>> Yes.

1205
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,520
>> So the the agreement on that is is that

1206
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:38,000
we will be paving that to a uh county

1207
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,520
standard which is a 24 foot wide asphalt

1208
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:42,319
road.

1209
00:59:42,319 --> 00:59:44,799
>> Okay. And then it'll have, I believe

1210
00:59:44,799 --> 00:59:48,160
it's five foot uh gravel shoulders on

1211
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,400
both sides

1212
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,079
and safe ditches.

1213
00:59:52,079 --> 00:59:54,240
>> And uh how far will that just go beyond

1214
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,319
your north entrance on Woodland? Just

1215
00:59:56,319 --> 00:59:58,480
>> go to the north property line.

1216
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,680
>> Oh, okay. Okay. And then is there any

1217
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:03,680
potential I know this is a city

1218
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:05,520
question, but to coordinate with the

1219
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,599
county to continue paving it on up to

1220
01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:12,000
175th? Uh, I'd say no, but you can ask

1221
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,000
the city.

1222
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,480
>> Okay. So, really it'll just be for the

1223
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,640
residents to go travel south on Woodland

1224
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:19,680
for the most part,

1225
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:20,160
>> right?

1226
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:23,359
>> Okay. 283.

1227
01:00:23,359 --> 01:00:25,440
>> The rest of that will come in pieces as

1228
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:26,559
ground develops.

1229
01:00:26,559 --> 01:00:28,960
>> Yeah.

1230
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:36,069
>> Thank you.

1231
01:00:36,079 --> 01:00:38,960
» Um, I had a question. Sorry. Okay.

1232
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:40,559
>> Um,

1233
01:00:40,559 --> 01:00:44,240
couple couple questions. Um,

1234
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,799
had a question about the

1235
01:00:46,799 --> 01:00:48,720
Sunset Farms Estates Architectural

1236
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,599
Committee that was mentioned in the, you

1237
01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:54,000
know, design guidelines.

1238
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,559
Who forms that committee?

1239
01:00:56,559 --> 01:00:58,079
And like what's the process for

1240
01:00:58,079 --> 01:01:02,309
approving new home designs?

1241
01:01:02,319 --> 01:01:13,589
» One of you guys want to

1242
01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:15,760
And I'm asking in part because I don't I

1243
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:17,359
haven't seen that before.

1244
01:01:17,359 --> 01:01:17,760
>> Sure.

1245
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:18,960
>> With most of the developments that

1246
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:20,240
>> Nick Shepard, one of the owners of the

1247
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:24,720
property. So from our understanding that committee will be formed and run

1248
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,920
until by the development company, which

1249
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,480
is us, and it has to meet the guidelines

1250
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,520
that have been set forth with the city.

1251
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:35,760
Then once the HOA is established, then

1252
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:38,480
the HOA will take that over.

1253
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,079
>> At which point does the HOA take it

1254
01:01:40,079 --> 01:01:41,920
over, do you think? Like is it based on

1255
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:43,760
a number of homes or just when it's

1256
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:45,599
completely developed or

1257
01:01:45,599 --> 01:01:46,400
>> I don't know that that's been

1258
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:47,920
established yet, but I would assume once

1259
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,000
the HOA is financially stable enough

1260
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:51,520
with enough residents and they're paying

1261
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:52,960
HOA dues.

1262
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:53,760
>> Okay.

1263
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:57,040
>> So I I don't know that's a specific

1264
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:01,520
number of homes or date set forth yet.

1265
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,480
Um, and then another question I had

1266
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,880
related to the designs, it it seemed

1267
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:10,000
like the minimum home sizes were

1268
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,960
relatively small compared to the lots.

1269
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,359
Is that just to give flexibility of the

1270
01:02:15,359 --> 01:02:17,200
home styles or to leave room for the

1271
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,359
accessory building

1272
01:02:19,359 --> 01:02:22,960
or why is it why was that? Because like one and a half story,

1273
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:24,160
unless I misread it.

1274
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:24,480
>> Okay.

1275
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:28,079
>> But a two-story home, 2400 square foot

1276
01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:30,880
minimum, one and a half story. Yeah,

1277
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:34,000
2400 also. I guess they're all 2400.

1278
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:35,359
>> Yeah, I think so. What we were trying

1279
01:02:35,359 --> 01:02:37,200
to, you know, establish is the main

1280
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,760
footprint of the house. And I think if

1281
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,920
we look at other developments in the

1282
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,720
area, it's substantially higher

1283
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:49,109
>> most of those. Um,

1284
01:02:49,119 --> 01:02:51,119
so I I guess I'm not sure.

1285
01:02:51,119 --> 01:02:51,839
>> I'm just asking

1286
01:02:51,839 --> 01:02:52,960
>> comparing that to

1287
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:54,799
>> Yeah, just it it sounded for the size of

1288
01:02:54,799 --> 01:02:56,799
the lot and sort of what I'm seeing as

1289
01:02:56,799 --> 01:02:57,680
the vision.

1290
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:59,359
>> Yeah. as you know, through the through

1291
01:02:59,359 --> 01:03:00,960
the information that you've shared,

1292
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:02,160
seems like the homes would be

1293
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:03,599
potentially larger.

1294
01:03:03,599 --> 01:03:05,520
>> I think that's the goal is to drive that

1295
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:07,520
up, but also if we're thinking about

1296
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:10,480
potentially having uh the home, a longer

1297
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,440
driveway, potentially a sidecar entry, a

1298
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:16,079
1,200 foot detached building, and then

1299
01:03:16,079 --> 01:03:18,079
also maybe a pool. That's a pretty large

1300
01:03:18,079 --> 01:03:19,839
footprint. You start combining all those

1301
01:03:19,839 --> 01:03:20,400
together.

1302
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:21,839
>> Yeah, that's that's what I was kind of

1303
01:03:21,839 --> 01:03:24,799
imagining. So, that that makes sense.

1304
01:03:24,799 --> 01:03:26,640
Um,

1305
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:28,160
I know the answer to this, but I'm going

1306
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,833
to ask it anyway. I don't see on the the

1307
01:03:30,833 --> 01:03:34,799
[clears throat] plat any like community,

1308
01:03:34,799 --> 01:03:38,799
you know, buildings or amenities and I

1309
01:03:38,799 --> 01:03:40,559
assume that's by design and because

1310
01:03:40,559 --> 01:03:42,480
these lots are larger and you kind of

1311
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:43,760
figure that people will have what they

1312
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:45,280
need on their own lot. I

1313
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:46,559
>> think that's the goal with the estate

1314
01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:47,440
style lots.

1315
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:48,240
>> Yeah.

1316
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,480
with the required uh walking trails

1317
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:52,079
around there and in the ponds that are

1318
01:03:52,079 --> 01:03:54,160
taking up the property. You know, that's

1319
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,359
kind of the amenity.

1320
01:03:57,359 --> 01:03:58,720
>> You going to still allow the public to

1321
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,619
fish on that pond?

1322
01:04:01,619 --> 01:04:02,640
[laughter]

1323
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:03,280
>> You don't have to.

1324
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:04,799
>> Are they able to now or

1325
01:04:04,799 --> 01:04:08,559
>> Yeah. I don't know. They seem to.

1326
01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:09,839
>> Yeah.

1327
01:04:09,839 --> 01:04:10,880
>> All right. Thank you. That's all the

1328
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:12,799
questions I had. Do any other members

1329
01:04:12,799 --> 01:04:16,319
have any questions for Mr. Tucker or the

1330
01:04:16,319 --> 01:04:17,920
applicant?

1331
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:21,200
The only question that I would have is

1332
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:23,680
really in regards to

1333
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:26,720
how if you're going to have independent

1334
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:30,559
indivi uh contractors build homes, you

1335
01:04:30,559 --> 01:04:32,640
have this committee.

1336
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:36,400
Uh, and I don't believe the the the

1337
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:38,559
subdivision that I'm referencing did,

1338
01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:42,480
but I we're very disappointed with a

1339
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,480
certain subdivision

1340
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:46,079
that we're going to build high-end

1341
01:04:46,079 --> 01:04:48,799
homes. And it turns out that some of

1342
01:04:48,799 --> 01:04:52,559
them don't have a basement.

1343
01:04:52,559 --> 01:04:55,280
And so

1344
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:57,599
that that's

1345
01:04:57,599 --> 01:04:59,440
hopefully we don't get into that

1346
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:02,400
situation with you. I think with the um

1347
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,160
required submitts of what we're putting

1348
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,880
in that development uh with the pictures

1349
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:09,520
and um with the planned development plan

1350
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:11,200
of the size of homes, I think that was

1351
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:12,880
the goal with the city to try to prevent

1352
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,039
that um is to make sure that we had a

1353
01:05:15,039 --> 01:05:16,160
clear understanding of what our

1354
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:18,640
intentions were um with the entire

1355
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,670
development.

1356
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:24,000
» Are these pictures of the homes what we

1357
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:25,920
are going with?

1358
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,319
>> So that would be um a reflection of what

1359
01:05:28,319 --> 01:05:29,839
we've determined as the minimum

1360
01:05:29,839 --> 01:05:31,119
standard.

1361
01:05:31,119 --> 01:05:34,640
based off of the plan development

1362
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:35,039
district.

1363
01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:38,960
>> These meet the garage footage set back

1364
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:43,440
because what I am seeing appears to be a

1365
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:45,839
lot of garage frontage

1366
01:05:45,839 --> 01:05:50,720
which is not what we were after.

1367
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:53,760
We we don't have any requirements in the

1368
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:55,520
code today that require a certain

1369
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:56,960
percentage of the houses to have a

1370
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,440
garage set back from the street uh

1371
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:01,119
further than the front porch or the

1372
01:06:01,119 --> 01:06:04,640
front plane of the house. U and so uh

1373
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:06,559
it's difficult for staff to enforce

1374
01:06:06,559 --> 01:06:08,319
that. A certain percentage of them have

1375
01:06:08,319 --> 01:06:10,319
to have this floor plan or that floor

1376
01:06:10,319 --> 01:06:12,720
plan or or have a basement or not have a

1377
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:17,200
basement. So, um, in in looking at the

1378
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:19,039
conceptual elevations of the and the

1379
01:06:19,039 --> 01:06:20,799
pictures provided, staff looked at those

1380
01:06:20,799 --> 01:06:23,039
to

1381
01:06:23,039 --> 01:06:24,960
see if they were actually indicative of

1382
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:27,200
the the quality that could be expected

1383
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:30,640
out here um to match what the

1384
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,440
developer's intent is uh to be able to

1385
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:35,039
ensure that the builders that as they

1386
01:06:35,039 --> 01:06:37,440
come in meet that same high standard.

1387
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:40,400
And so, um, we don't have anything in

1388
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:42,160
our code. So that's why it wasn't

1389
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:43,760
anything in there or they were going to

1390
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:46,400
try to ask maybe for a modification to

1391
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:50,960
that. Um but it we feel that it's not

1392
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:52,480
too dissimilar from what other

1393
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:55,359
subdivisions have. And so that's why

1394
01:06:55,359 --> 01:06:59,200
we've we he's very difficult if not

1395
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:02,640
impossible to have

1396
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:04,960
183 different or how many of our lots

1397
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:06,000
are in here

1398
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:07,680
>> to to show that all up front. So that's

1399
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:11,200
why it's indicative of what as Mr.

1400
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:14,000
Shepard said the low lowest kind of

1401
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,319
quality they're willing to accept. So

1402
01:07:16,319 --> 01:07:18,960
>> So is the footage that we've gone off of

1403
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:23,280
before just from the comp plan?

1404
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:24,640
>> The comp plan is the only thing that

1405
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:26,720
talks about it.

1406
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:27,520
>> Yeah. So the

1407
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:28,400
>> it's just the comp plan.

1408
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:30,160
right? And and

1409
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:32,319
those are not enforceable,

1410
01:07:32,319 --> 01:07:32,640
>> right,

1411
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:39,670
>> as standards in the code.

1412
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:41,920
may not be enforceable, but somebody

1413
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:43,359
that's sat here for a long time, I would

1414
01:07:43,359 --> 01:07:45,839
really encourage to

1415
01:07:45,839 --> 01:07:48,240
pull that front door more visible.

1416
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:51,520
That's what we've been asked from the

1417
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:54,799
public many times over. Just food for

1418
01:07:54,799 --> 01:07:55,680
thought.

1419
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:58,640
>> There in in the design guidelines in the

1420
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:00,400
material, it said that they really

1421
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:02,079
intend for the majority of garages,

1422
01:08:02,079 --> 01:08:03,920
well, it's a three

1423
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,000
>> threec car minimum, but sounded like a

1424
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:07,520
lot of them will be positioned to the

1425
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:09,280
side. That'd be awesome.

1426
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:12,559
>> Yeah. And then if they want more than three, you can only have three

1427
01:08:12,559 --> 01:08:14,559
facing forward is what I read. So

1428
01:08:14,559 --> 01:08:15,839
anything any more than that would have

1429
01:08:15,839 --> 01:08:17,759
to be side facing. So it's not all

1430
01:08:17,759 --> 01:08:20,789
garage.

1431
01:08:20,799 --> 01:08:22,159
And I don't know that any of these are

1432
01:08:22,159 --> 01:08:23,520
specific plans that are going to be

1433
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:24,960
built in there. They were just kind of a

1434
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:28,319
representation of exterior finishes or

1435
01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:30,000
imagery that we would anticipate the

1436
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:31,199
plans,

1437
01:08:31,199 --> 01:08:34,239
>> you know, with Yeah.

1438
01:08:34,239 --> 01:08:35,759
So, I didn't see anything in the

1439
01:08:35,759 --> 01:08:38,080
information tonight, but I really

1440
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:40,799
thought I read it in the information

1441
01:08:40,799 --> 01:08:42,560
that was presented to the city council

1442
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:44,960
back in June, but is will there be any

1443
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:47,839
benefit district in this neighborhood or

1444
01:08:47,839 --> 01:08:51,120
like special assessments or anything?

1445
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:51,759
>> Yeah.

1446
01:08:51,759 --> 01:08:53,279
>> Okay.

1447
01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:56,080
Um, that's fine. I was just curious. And

1448
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:57,040
that that's the kind of thing that will

1449
01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:59,839
be disclosed to the potential buyers up

1450
01:08:59,839 --> 01:09:02,239
front. Yeah. I know I know in the past

1451
01:09:02,239 --> 01:09:03,600
some other neighborhoods have come under

1452
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,440
fire for the homeowners not feeling like

1453
01:09:05,440 --> 01:09:07,920
it was fully disclosed to them.

1454
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:09,359
>> There's some pretty substantial ones in

1455
01:09:09,359 --> 01:09:11,440
the area and our goal is is to make that

1456
01:09:11,440 --> 01:09:14,159
not the case here um with some required

1457
01:09:14,159 --> 01:09:16,480
infrastructure uh raising the standard a

1458
01:09:16,480 --> 01:09:17,679
little bit in the city of Spring Hill.

1459
01:09:17,679 --> 01:09:19,759
This will help us, you know, apply to

1460
01:09:19,759 --> 01:09:23,199
that. Um so we did ask ask for that, but

1461
01:09:23,199 --> 01:09:24,880
uh the goal is to be nothing like some

1462
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:27,600
of these other ones that um are are

1463
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:29,279
extremely impactful to the buyers.

1464
01:09:29,279 --> 01:09:32,239
>> Yeah. That's great. It It runs the risk

1465
01:09:32,239 --> 01:09:35,199
of making your your properties less

1466
01:09:35,199 --> 01:09:36,960
attractive to potential buyers, too, if

1467
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,839
it's too much. For sure.

1468
01:09:39,839 --> 01:09:42,000
>> And I apologize if I miss this. I know

1469
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,239
track H was under some sort of

1470
01:09:44,239 --> 01:09:45,920
stipulation, but is that a lift station?

1471
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:49,279
Is that that's going to be track H?

1472
01:09:49,279 --> 01:09:51,520
>> Yes.

1473
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:55,280
>> And when does that come online?

1474
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:56,800
>> The city for that?

1475
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:57,360
>> The city.

1476
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:01,510
>> December. Okay.

1477
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:02,080
I'm sorry.

1478
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:04,400
>> So that's gonna So that elevation that's

1479
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:06,400
coming online in December and that

1480
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:09,840
elevation all that is already set and

1481
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:12,000
Wow.

1482
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:19,189
>> Cool. Hopefully the square.

1483
01:10:19,199 --> 01:10:21,679
» All right. Are there any other questions

1484
01:10:21,679 --> 01:10:23,840
for the applicant for Phillips

1485
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:27,669
Engineering?

1486
01:10:27,679 --> 01:10:29,600
» All right. Thank you, gentlemen. Thank

1487
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:33,830
you.

1488
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:35,199
» All right. At this time, if there are

1489
01:10:35,199 --> 01:10:36,880
any members of the public who would like

1490
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:39,360
to address planning commission about

1491
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,280
this application, please come up and

1492
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:45,830
state your name and address.

1493
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:48,320
My name is Steven Sanford. I live at uh

1494
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:50,880
18 1 19795

1495
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:53,199
West 183rd Street.

1496
01:10:53,199 --> 01:10:56,000
I uh have quite a few things I'd like to

1497
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,199
point out and take a couple of different

1498
01:10:59,199 --> 01:11:03,280
roles. Number one, thinking forward as a

1499
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:04,800
uh

1500
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:09,280
neighbor to a a potential HOA with all

1501
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:11,280
of the tight restrictions of

1502
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:14,800
expectations. Um, and having been a

1503
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,760
resident for 10 years in that same

1504
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:21,360
location, the concrete plant is going to

1505
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:25,040
be an extreme point of contention for

1506
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:28,560
all of the buyers. Um, just for future

1507
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:31,360
reference for future Spring Hill

1508
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:34,159
Commissioning notes and complaints

1509
01:11:34,159 --> 01:11:38,239
department that if Spring Hill, I'm sure

1510
01:11:38,239 --> 01:11:40,320
the lawyers understand and know this

1511
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:43,199
already, but if Spring Hill were to

1512
01:11:43,199 --> 01:11:45,199
quote get enough complaints from the

1513
01:11:45,199 --> 01:11:49,040
citizens that they would choose to tell

1514
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:50,960
Monarch to turn their lights off at

1515
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:53,280
night, that that would be an extremely

1516
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:55,760
substantial fine. And I want to make

1517
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:59,360
sure that that doesn't happen for the

1518
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:01,920
city. I I would love to have the lights

1519
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:05,120
off considering they light up my whole

1520
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:07,840
house most of the time. Uh they can't

1521
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:09,280
even figure out how to turn their truck

1522
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:12,480
lights off, but that's another story. So

1523
01:12:12,480 --> 01:12:15,280
the the the Monarch plant being lights

1524
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:17,600
on all the time should be a

1525
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:19,840
consideration. Should be something to be

1526
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:22,880
aware of. The crossing uh the railroad

1527
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:26,880
crossing is quite uh quite a fun bit of

1528
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:30,080
noise. Um something I've grown up with

1529
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:32,719
for other locations that I've lived at.

1530
01:12:32,719 --> 01:12:35,199
So being 500 feet away from the crossing

1531
01:12:35,199 --> 01:12:37,600
is no big deal for me. I literally know

1532
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:40,000
how to time my conversations with the

1533
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:44,315
train horn to avoid misunderstandings.

1534
01:12:44,315 --> 01:12:45,920
[cough]

1535
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:48,640
But new residents moving into southern

1536
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:51,760
Johnson County mindset uh may not have

1537
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:55,040
that same understanding. And with that

1538
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:59,280
moving forward, unless you buy out a few

1539
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:02,320
lots and change a bunch of drastic

1540
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:04,560
things, there's no way to make that a a

1541
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:07,520
legitimate quiet crossing without

1542
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,640
encroaching on personal property at that

1543
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,280
intersection because concrete plants

1544
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:15,040
already there and you can't make

1545
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:20,880
woodland move without all of that. Um,

1546
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:23,280
it's somewhat encouraging that we're

1547
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:26,080
going to get 500. Well, I'll I'll give

1548
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:28,400
them a half a mile of asphalt on

1549
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:31,920
Woodland between 183rd and the tree

1550
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:35,040
line. Um, but as an encouragement for

1551
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:37,679
the city, it absolutely needs to be

1552
01:13:37,679 --> 01:13:40,719
forward thinking, more uh more planning

1553
01:13:40,719 --> 01:13:44,640
and and and traffic plans. I completely

1554
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,400
disagree with your staff's assessment on

1555
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:50,400
your traffic plans. I cannot

1556
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:53,360
sit at my house for any amount of time

1557
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:55,199
during the day without seeing a minimum

1558
01:13:55,199 --> 01:13:59,120
of 20 cars at a time. And heaven forbid

1559
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:02,560
if a train slows down at 175th Street,

1560
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:05,760
then they all come down to to 183rd

1561
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:09,120
Street. I get it. I go around as much as

1562
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:12,560
possible as well. However,

1563
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,440
183rd and 169 is the other part of that.

1564
01:14:15,440 --> 01:14:17,440
We we didn't think it was going to be a

1565
01:14:17,440 --> 01:14:20,640
big problem at 191st when Dayton Creek

1566
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:23,280
went in and now we're rushing hopefully

1567
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:31,520
rushing to put a stoplight in and the uh travel plaza came discussion was

1568
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:34,400
trying to uh the the stipulation was to

1569
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:38,719
put a traffic light in at 183rd. Now,

1570
01:14:38,719 --> 01:14:43,679
150 homes, that's 500 car

1571
01:14:43,679 --> 01:14:47,120
min around about 500 cars. And let's not

1572
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:50,480
forget our wonderful, uh, addition of

1573
01:14:50,480 --> 01:14:53,199
golf carts and four-wheelers that we

1574
01:14:53,199 --> 01:14:55,920
want to have running around. So, uh,

1575
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:59,120
traffic is going not to be anywhere near

1576
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:00,800
com

1577
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:02,880
the same that it is now. It's going to

1578
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:05,280
go up. It's also going to increase that

1579
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:07,679
school traffic on Ridge View. And the

1580
01:15:07,679 --> 01:15:09,920
really big point that I want to make,

1581
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:13,189
um,

1582
01:15:13,199 --> 01:15:16,480
yeah, the two points. One, also the

1583
01:15:16,480 --> 01:15:19,679
175th intersection at the railroad

1584
01:15:19,679 --> 01:15:22,719
crossing. Those neighbors probably not

1585
01:15:22,719 --> 01:15:25,120
the best neighbors for the people that

1586
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:26,400
would be wanting to live in that

1587
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:29,280
neighbor in the new neighborhood. In

1588
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:33,760
addition to that, the Ridge View traffic

1589
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:36,320
As a city note, I know that doesn't

1590
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:41,520
necessarily cons co coincide with the residential, but

1591
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:43,520
if we don't start looking at widening

1592
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:46,960
and controlling Ridge View with the high

1593
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:49,520
school traffic and and the multiple

1594
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:51,600
schools along that road and everything

1595
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:54,880
going on up to 175th Street and beyond,

1596
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:56,400
we're going to fall off and we're going

1597
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:58,560
to have fatalities. And I really want to

1598
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:04,560
encourage to consider a a no truck zone

1599
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:07,840
along Bridge View and 183rd Street

1600
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:14,320
between Woodland and Rener and on 191st

1601
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:16,719
across the same. And I know that might

1602
01:16:16,719 --> 01:16:18,320
not be something that needs to be talked

1603
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:20,640
about tonight, but it it really should

1604
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:23,120
be, especially if we're talking about

1605
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:26,239
150 residential homes going in at the

1606
01:16:26,239 --> 01:16:29,600
corner of 80,000 lb trucks going across

1607
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:32,159
those railroad tracks. Safety first

1608
01:16:32,159 --> 01:16:34,960
always. Thank you for your time. Thank

1609
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:39,350
you.

1610
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:40,640
Are there any other members of the

1611
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:42,640
public would like to address the

1612
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:44,640
commission?

1613
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:46,640
Mr. Waterman, please state your name and

1614
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:50,390
address again.

1615
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:54,320
» Uh John Waterman, 21110 West 186

1616
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:58,080
Terrace. Uh so I also uh thought of the

1617
01:16:58,080 --> 01:16:59,600
uh

1618
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:05,040
the train uh at grade crossing there uh

1619
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:06,560
in Spring Hill. I mean I believe this

1620
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:08,880
will be the first at grade crossing

1621
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:11,199
where a development is at that

1622
01:17:11,199 --> 01:17:13,120
intersection

1623
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:16,880
um to where that that that train whistle

1624
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:18,719
is required and I don't I don't think

1625
01:17:18,719 --> 01:17:20,560
there's anything we can do to to

1626
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:23,600
mitigate that. I guess my concern would

1627
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:26,080
be with these, you know, halfacre estate

1628
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:31,120
lots, you know, are are we sure that

1629
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:32,560
I mean, if you build it, people will

1630
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:35,600
come, right? But what are they going to

1631
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,480
stay um once they, you know, have to

1632
01:17:38,480 --> 01:17:40,640
deal with that or or will they kind of

1633
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:42,800
consider that and the and the Monarch

1634
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:45,600
plant with the lights and all of that,

1635
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:48,640
you know, kind of a detriment to to even

1636
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:51,120
want to to consider building. And you

1637
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:53,360
know, we haven't really talked about,

1638
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:55,760
you know, lot price and home price, you

1639
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:56,960
know, that are going to be on these

1640
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:58,880
lots, but you know, I got to think it's

1641
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:03,360
in the, you know,5 $600,000 range. So

1642
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:09,199
those those things could be concerns to, you know, expecting citizens. Now,

1643
01:18:09,199 --> 01:18:10,719
you know, maybe, you know, newcomers to

1644
01:18:10,719 --> 01:18:12,719
Johnson coming, Johnson, Southern

1645
01:18:12,719 --> 01:18:15,920
Johnson County may not uh,

1646
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:17,280
you know, they may not be thinking of

1647
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:18,880
those things. they may kind of jump in

1648
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:21,360
before they realize the adverse effects

1649
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:22,719
that they got themselves into, but

1650
01:18:22,719 --> 01:18:25,360
again, how long then will they stay? So,

1651
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:27,920
you know, I definitely not going to say

1652
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:30,480
that I'm I'm against this and maybe it,

1653
01:18:30,480 --> 01:18:33,679
you know, conforms to to all the to all

1654
01:18:33,679 --> 01:18:41,600
the uh criteria, but u you know, is it the best thing for Spring Hill? So

1655
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:43,920
I mean that's a that's a that's a

1656
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:45,440
challenge you know that we all have to

1657
01:18:45,440 --> 01:18:47,840
decide you know is that the right is

1658
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:49,920
that the right uh form of progress to

1659
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:53,520
proceed with. So um with that I I'll

1660
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:55,920
leave it uh to the commission. Thank

1661
01:18:55,920 --> 01:19:01,110
you. Thank you.

1662
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:04,640
All right. With that we will Oh let me

1663
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:07,679
reopen it. I was an accidental

1664
01:19:07,679 --> 01:19:08,880
>> Spencer. Am I good because I didn't say

1665
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:09,360
it.

1666
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:11,679
>> Thanks. I just was tapping for

1667
01:19:11,679 --> 01:19:14,400
>> Leah Langley 18 33 South Lone Home Road.

1668
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:15,360
Thank you.

1669
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:19,920
>> Um something that has just I've noticed

1670
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:22,800
over the years in Spring Hill,

1671
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:25,600
>> we cap over a lot of springs and I know

1672
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:27,040
when we see a body of water, we think

1673
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:30,080
it's a pond, but I would want to know

1674
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:33,280
how many springs are on that lot.

1675
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:35,520
Um is that a spring that we're looking

1676
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:38,239
at on that map?

1677
01:19:38,239 --> 01:19:40,719
If it is and you're building a $600,000

1678
01:19:40,719 --> 01:19:42,719
home,

1679
01:19:42,719 --> 01:19:45,120
the water moves underground. We all know

1680
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:47,920
that, right? I would kind of wonder if

1681
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:50,000
we're building basements what that would

1682
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:53,520
do in the future in a heavy rain. So, I

1683
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:55,040
don't I know in the state of Kansas

1684
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:58,239
there's water rights. I assume that the

1685
01:19:58,239 --> 01:20:00,400
applicant would own the water rights to

1686
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:03,760
that spring. I don't if it's a spring.

1687
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:06,159
Um if if not, then that would need to be

1688
01:20:06,159 --> 01:20:09,040
looked at too. Um, but there are

1689
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:12,080
violations in the state of Kansas

1690
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:13,840
tapping in and capping those springs.

1691
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:16,320
And I have heard in the last two years,

1692
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:19,120
they've gotten a lot stricter. Um, so I

1693
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:22,960
would just want to look into that. Also,

1694
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:25,199
the biggest buck I have ever seen in my

1695
01:20:25,199 --> 01:20:26,719
life drinks out of that pond. And I just

1696
01:20:26,719 --> 01:20:30,000
want to throw that out there. He's mine.

1697
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:31,360
>> Okay. Thank you.

1698
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:33,840
>> Are the fish [laughter]

1699
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:38,000
1823 South

1700
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:41,805
Thank you.

1701
01:20:41,815 --> 01:20:43,125
[snorts]

1702
01:20:43,125 --> 01:20:44,239
[laughter]

1703
01:20:44,239 --> 01:20:45,920
Okay, I'm pausing with the gavl now. Are

1704
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:47,280
there Are there any other members of the

1705
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:49,760
public who would like to come up? All

1706
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:53,600
right, seeing none, looking, we'll close

1707
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:56,640
the public comments

1708
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:58,560
and

1709
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:00,480
come back to uh if the commission

1710
01:21:00,480 --> 01:21:02,560
members have any further clarifications

1711
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:08,550
from the applicant or staff.

1712
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:12,320
I always do. But um Allison, I have a

1713
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:14,960
question for you which you probably

1714
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:16,480
can't answer, but I'm going to ask it

1715
01:21:16,480 --> 01:21:20,229
anyway.

1716
01:21:20,239 --> 01:21:21,280
» She's trying to hide.

1717
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:23,120
>> She might. I know.

1718
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:25,360
>> Um so, first of all, I definitely

1719
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:28,239
appreciate the very detailed traffic

1720
01:21:28,239 --> 01:21:30,080
study in this application. I think it

1721
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:32,080
was great to see that. It looks like

1722
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:33,360
maybe it was done twice because there

1723
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:34,400
were two different dates there. So

1724
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:34,880
that's terrific.

1725
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:36,320
>> It was so good it was done twice.

1726
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:41,440
>> Yeah. So I I feel like that was a good amount of due diligence on the

1727
01:21:41,440 --> 01:21:42,880
part of the city and the applicant for

1728
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:46,719
traffic. But um so living near there

1729
01:21:46,719 --> 01:21:49,199
myself, you know, we're all very aware

1730
01:21:49,199 --> 01:21:51,679
of the truck traffic. Um

1731
01:21:51,679 --> 01:21:55,199
>> as Mr. Sanford noted. And so somewhere

1732
01:21:55,199 --> 01:21:57,760
in the 100 pages of the traffic study, I

1733
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:00,239
saw that the AM existing conditions,

1734
01:22:00,239 --> 01:22:02,639
peak traffic going east from 183rd in

1735
01:22:02,639 --> 01:22:06,400
Woodland was like 85, westbounds, 83 per

1736
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:09,040
hour. And then in the afternoon, 99

1737
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:11,520
going east and 110 going west, which is

1738
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:14,639
almost two vehicles per minute.

1739
01:22:14,639 --> 01:22:16,159
It it seemed like the traffic study

1740
01:22:16,159 --> 01:22:18,560
combined all types of vehicles,

1741
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:20,239
>> but I'm curious if you know what

1742
01:22:20,239 --> 01:22:24,320
percentage of those 110 vehicles per

1743
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:27,360
hour would be heavy trucks.

1744
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:28,960
>> I don't know if they got to that level

1745
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:31,600
of detail. Um, typically whenever they

1746
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:34,480
do a traffic count, they will, um,

1747
01:22:34,480 --> 01:22:35,920
depending on how they did it, if they

1748
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:38,000
did it with the tubes across the roads,

1749
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:40,000
they can measure that with the axle

1750
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:41,679
loads, so they might be able to get that

1751
01:22:41,679 --> 01:22:44,080
level of detail. Um, if they were to do

1752
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:45,760
video, then they could go back to the

1753
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:47,280
video and and look at that. That's

1754
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:49,600
something we can always ask them, but I

1755
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:51,440
don't know if they have that level of

1756
01:22:51,440 --> 01:22:53,040
detail, and they did not include that in

1757
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:53,679
the study.

1758
01:22:53,679 --> 01:22:57,199
>> Okay. Because that's um nothing for us

1759
01:22:57,199 --> 01:22:58,800
to do or solve tonight, but I think, you

1760
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:00,400
know, it's a it's definitely a concern,

1761
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:02,000
which is the the high volume of truck

1762
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:03,280
traffic, and I think it's been mentioned

1763
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:04,960
a couple of times.

1764
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:05,600
>> Um

1765
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:07,120
>> well, and that's something separate that

1766
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:09,040
we can look at. that Merge Midwest was

1767
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:11,679
the one that um was contracted by the

1768
01:23:11,679 --> 01:23:14,000
developer to do the study. They are also

1769
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:15,840
one of the contractors that or one of

1770
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:17,600
the consultants that we regularly work

1771
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:20,159
with. So that's something if we wanted

1772
01:23:20,159 --> 01:23:21,760
to take a look at that then we could

1773
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:25,040
always do that separately um to separate

1774
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:27,600
from the development application.

1775
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:30,320
>> Okay. Yeah, that's great. I I think it's

1776
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:32,239
um you know it's it's something worth

1777
01:23:32,239 --> 01:23:34,000
looking at keeping an eye on. You know,

1778
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:35,679
we've been told as residents that, well,

1779
01:23:35,679 --> 01:23:37,199
the trucks, you know, are just serving

1780
01:23:37,199 --> 01:23:39,199
construction sites in the area, and

1781
01:23:39,199 --> 01:23:40,639
that's just not true. I mean, it is

1782
01:23:40,639 --> 01:23:43,280
true. They serve construction sites, but

1783
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:45,280
the majority are cutting through.

1784
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:47,360
>> Yeah. And so, the reason we had two

1785
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:49,120
traffic studies, the first traffic study

1786
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:51,679
was done during the summer months. Uh,

1787
01:23:51,679 --> 01:23:53,520
we tried to highlight this in the um

1788
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:55,920
staff report, but some of that traffic

1789
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:58,239
could have been the school traffic in

1790
01:23:58,239 --> 01:24:00,639
that second report that was done. So,

1791
01:24:00,639 --> 01:24:02,320
again, we can take a look at this. We

1792
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:05,600
can um Yes, there probably are some

1793
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:07,920
counts that are trucks, but there are

1794
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:09,760
also, you know, residential traffic and

1795
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:11,280
school traffic that is part of that as

1796
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:11,520
well.

1797
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:14,080
>> So, and and I've seen accidents with the

1798
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:16,239
cement trucks at 183rd and Richie

1799
01:24:16,239 --> 01:24:17,760
before, and that's just what I've seen.

1800
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:20,000
I'm sure that's happened more than once.

1801
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:22,080
Um, but you're also the right person to

1802
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:25,920
answer this next question. Um,

1803
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:27,840
what would the potential be in the

1804
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:30,800
future following this development of

1805
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:33,360
potentially closing that intersection,

1806
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:36,000
closing 183rd going west towards the

1807
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,239
industrial area so that the residential

1808
01:24:38,239 --> 01:24:41,600
areas are kind of firewalled off from it

1809
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:43,360
and and the crossing becomes a quiet

1810
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:44,159
crossing.

1811
01:24:44,159 --> 01:24:46,080
>> Okay. So, a couple of different things.

1812
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:49,600
Um, so the city is working on a rail

1813
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:51,920
crossing study. Uh we are going to be uh

1814
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:54,080
studying the nine different crossings

1815
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:56,080
within the city. That is a a joint

1816
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:58,560
partnership with Fontana and Fort Scott.

1817
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:00,159
We will be starting that study later

1818
01:25:00,159 --> 01:25:01,760
this year. There will be an opportunity

1819
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:04,639
for those in the audience that did speak

1820
01:25:04,639 --> 01:25:06,639
passionately about the rail crossings

1821
01:25:06,639 --> 01:25:08,960
and everything. We want to hear that

1822
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:11,120
public comment whenever we get into that

1823
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:12,800
study process. So there will be plenty

1824
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:15,520
of opportunity for online engagement as

1825
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:18,239
well as in-person public engagement. and

1826
01:25:18,239 --> 01:25:20,080
we want to hear from our residents and

1827
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:21,600
that's going to be the crossing starting

1828
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:26,480
at 175th all the way down to

1829
01:25:26,480 --> 01:25:29,040
215th.

1830
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:31,840
So, um and then of course those others

1831
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:34,239
in Fontana and Fort Scott. So, we

1832
01:25:34,239 --> 01:25:36,000
definitely want to hear from everyone.

1833
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:40,480
We did take a look at um this um

1834
01:25:40,480 --> 01:25:42,464
intersection in particular at the river.

1835
01:25:42,464 --> 01:25:45,040
[cough] We wanted to make sure that the

1836
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:47,679
inner the the entrance into the

1837
01:25:47,679 --> 01:25:50,560
subdivision was offset enough so that if

1838
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:53,360
we were to make improvements at 183rd

1839
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:55,840
Street with an overpass

1840
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:57,679
um with the the train tracks that we

1841
01:25:57,679 --> 01:25:59,520
would have plenty of space to be able to

1842
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:02,880
ramp up and go over the rail. So that

1843
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:08,159
1,00 ft is a a good measure for us uh to

1844
01:26:08,159 --> 01:26:10,080
be able to make that overpass similar to

1845
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:13,760
what you're seeing on 199th Street. Um

1846
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:16,159
so again, that's something that the city

1847
01:26:16,159 --> 01:26:18,960
is working on. Um and then I'm

1848
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:20,960
continually cha chasing grant

1849
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:23,920
opportunities. We've got a couple of

1850
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:26,880
we've got two applications in for 191st

1851
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:28,880
Street rail crossing. in the future

1852
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:30,159
there's going to be other opportunities

1853
01:26:30,159 --> 01:26:32,880
and 183rd Street might be another one

1854
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:36,560
that we could look at in the future. Um

1855
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:39,600
your other question was about closure of

1856
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:41,360
183rd to the east.

1857
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:42,159
>> A lot of that

1858
01:26:42,159 --> 01:26:44,320
>> well rather than elevating the crossing

1859
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:46,960
doing what was what THA did at 167th and

1860
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:48,159
just closing it.

1861
01:26:48,159 --> 01:26:50,239
>> Uh so a lot of that's in Johnson County.

1862
01:26:50,239 --> 01:26:53,199
So, I'm not sure that we really have any

1863
01:26:53,199 --> 01:26:55,120
opportunity to do much of anything since

1864
01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:58,480
a lot of the those streets are uh not in

1865
01:26:58,480 --> 01:26:59,360
the city of Spring Hill.

1866
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:01,280
>> Well, I mean this this property's in

1867
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:02,320
Spring Hill, right?

1868
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:03,840
>> The property across the railroad tracks,

1869
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:05,840
the M1 is in Spring Hill, right?

1870
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:07,360
>> Right. But I was talking about further

1871
01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:09,120
east.

1872
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:09,760
>> Oh, okay.

1873
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:10,320
>> Yeah.

1874
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:11,600
>> In other words, other properties that

1875
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:12,639
are impacted by this.

1876
01:27:12,639 --> 01:27:13,679
>> Yeah, there are other properties

1877
01:27:13,679 --> 01:27:15,520
impacted. I mean, it's something that we

1878
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:18,000
can talk talk about with our traffic

1879
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:20,080
engineers and determine what the best

1880
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:22,000
steps are moving forward, but you know,

1881
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:24,480
there it's not as simple as just closing

1882
01:27:24,480 --> 01:27:26,080
the roadway.

1883
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:28,320
>> Yeah. When I when I saw that at 167th, I

1884
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:31,280
thought that looked simple.

1885
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:32,560
>> But perhaps not.

1886
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:33,040
>> Yeah.

1887
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:34,639
>> Okay. Thank you. I knew you'd be the

1888
01:27:34,639 --> 01:27:35,760
right person to ask.

1889
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:37,360
>> And I think there was a question about

1890
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:39,600
191st Street Signal and um hopefully

1891
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:41,040
we'll have that under construction by

1892
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:43,040
the end of this year. We'll have a

1893
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:45,360
contractor engaged. I believe the bid

1894
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:46,960
opening is going to be set for

1895
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:51,520
midocctober. So we are uh the plans are

1896
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:53,440
in KOAT and they are going to be

1897
01:27:53,440 --> 01:27:55,199
releasing that here relatively soon. We

1898
01:27:55,199 --> 01:27:56,880
should have a contract hopefully as soon

1899
01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:59,760
as November with a contractor.

1900
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:01,280
>> That's exciting. I know a lot of people

1901
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:02,800
will obviously be very happy to see

1902
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:04,400
that.

1903
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:06,239
>> Be a big step forward with safety. So

1904
01:28:06,239 --> 01:28:07,760
>> yeah, and something I'm working on with

1905
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:10,400
KOT again just to give you guys an

1906
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:13,600
update. Um they're I'm working on trying

1907
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:16,080
to get a temporary signal at 183rd

1908
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:18,480
Street to help with some of um all of

1909
01:28:18,480 --> 01:28:21,440
that. So hopefully we'll have that um

1910
01:28:21,440 --> 01:28:25,120
designed and up

1911
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:27,280
by the end of the year. Don't quote me

1912
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:30,960
on that, but um with the construction at

1913
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:33,280
191st Street with that intersection,

1914
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:35,280
there's going to have to be some clo uh

1915
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:37,440
we we're going to have to limit access

1916
01:28:37,440 --> 01:28:38,960
at that intersection during

1917
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:40,000
construction.

1918
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:41,679
>> Um that it will be an active

1919
01:28:41,679 --> 01:28:43,360
construction site that's going to push

1920
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:45,760
some traffic up to 183rd Street signal.

1921
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:48,560
So, to be proactive, we are going to be

1922
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:51,040
putting a temporary uh signal pole up

1923
01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:53,679
there to help direct traffic.

1924
01:28:53,679 --> 01:28:54,800
>> Okay, that's great.

1925
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:55,920
>> And then while you're here, can you tell

1926
01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:58,560
us about the K7 corridor study?

1927
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:00,639
>> Might as well give you an update on all

1928
01:29:00,639 --> 01:29:01,520
my projects.

1929
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:03,040
>> Just really quick, are we still on a

1930
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:04,239
public hearing for resoning?

1931
01:29:04,239 --> 01:29:06,239
>> Oh, sorry. Okay. Is that your

1932
01:29:06,239 --> 01:29:07,600
>> We'll do it during announcements. Yeah.

1933
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:08,480
Thank you.

1934
01:29:08,480 --> 01:29:11,120
>> Thank you.

1935
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:13,920
Okay. I've I think I've asked all my

1936
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:15,440
questions. Do you guys have any

1937
01:29:15,440 --> 01:29:17,360
additional questions for staff?

1938
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:20,400
>> I would like to ask Jacob if

1939
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:23,280
these trails, these concrete pathways

1940
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:26,080
are more in line to what we had talked

1941
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:33,910
about at work sessions

1942
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:36,480
» or still going down too narrow.

1943
01:29:36,480 --> 01:29:39,280
>> Yes. No, the the 10- foot width and

1944
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:41,760
concrete construction is consistent with

1945
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:43,840
the new standards the city has uh has

1946
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:46,639
put forward. So that's um at least two

1947
01:29:46,639 --> 01:29:48,320
feet wider than we have seen in the

1948
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:50,960
past. And uh and going with uh with the

1949
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:52,960
concrete as opposed to asphalt should

1950
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:56,159
make it last longer also.

1951
01:29:56,159 --> 01:30:03,590
>> Thank you.

1952
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:05,199
Any other

1953
01:30:05,199 --> 01:30:06,239
>> I have a question.

1954
01:30:06,239 --> 01:30:08,159
>> Um I would just like to ask staff if

1955
01:30:08,159 --> 01:30:09,760
they have any concerns regarding the

1956
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:11,600
flooding or potential springs on the

1957
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:16,950
property after public comment.

1958
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:19,360
» No, we wouldn't. Um that is something

1959
01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:21,520
that the developer would need to

1960
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:24,800
uncover. Uh most of the waterways aren't

1961
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:28,080
going to be on people's lots or going

1962
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:30,320
not be impacting that. But that is

1963
01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:33,679
something that each builder and the sub,

1964
01:30:33,679 --> 01:30:34,880
you know, the developer will have to

1965
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:36,880
uncover when they're doing that, when

1966
01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:39,280
they're building things and then soils

1967
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:42,560
reports and property owner due diligence

1968
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:45,360
and and things like that. Um, natural

1969
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:47,520
occurring groundwater does happen. Um,

1970
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:50,239
that's why you you'll often see French

1971
01:30:50,239 --> 01:30:52,320
drains and drainage systems put into

1972
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:54,320
houses so they can be built, they can be

1973
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:57,440
accommodated for. Uh but you know to be

1974
01:30:57,440 --> 01:30:59,120
honest that's not something that we look

1975
01:30:59,120 --> 01:31:01,120
at normally. That's something left

1976
01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:03,440
between the the home buyer, the home

1977
01:31:03,440 --> 01:31:05,360
builder and the developer themselves.

1978
01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:06,880
So,

1979
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:08,800
you know, it it's not something that we

1980
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:10,639
could have a concern enough about to do

1981
01:31:10,639 --> 01:31:12,960
anything about. Uh but it's we, you

1982
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:14,480
know, from a building and construction

1983
01:31:14,480 --> 01:31:17,040
standpoint, uh there are ways to

1984
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:19,840
mitigate that and and to help alleviate

1985
01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:21,760
that drainage. some lots are going to

1986
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:24,639
have some and you know that's really not

1987
01:31:24,639 --> 01:31:27,120
something we can can regulate to be

1988
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:28,080
honest.

1989
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:29,520
>> Thank you.

1990
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:31,360
>> I'm just going to add briefly for all of

1991
01:31:31,360 --> 01:31:33,280
your knowledge and anyone listening but

1992
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:36,400
before plans come before you all they

1993
01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:38,000
are submitted to staff and one of the

1994
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:39,520
things that staff does and that our city

1995
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:40,960
engineer does is look through things

1996
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:43,760
like waterways, flood planes and ensures

1997
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:45,280
that the plan that you're seeing has

1998
01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:47,199
already gone through that review. So,

1999
01:31:47,199 --> 01:31:48,800
what we're not saying don't make those

2000
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:50,080
comments because everyone's welcome to

2001
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:51,840
come in and raise those, but just be

2002
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:53,600
assured that we have had our

2003
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:55,520
professional staff look at that and it

2004
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:57,520
wouldn't come before you if we had

2005
01:31:57,520 --> 01:31:59,360
concerns that there wasn't enough room

2006
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:01,360
for that water to get out or to be uh

2007
01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:05,910
detained.

2008
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:08,880
» Appreciate that.

2009
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:13,920
Any other questions? All right,

2010
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:16,800
we'll uh close the public hearing.

2011
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:18,960
and then the uh fish members we can

2012
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:21,280
deliberate a little bit. Um I've gotten

2013
01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:25,120
some a few comments just in general. So

2014
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:26,880
I've always said for the past several

2015
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:29,280
years that you know having a diversity

2016
01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:31,040
of housing options is not just

2017
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:33,679
multifamily and small lots. It also can

2018
01:32:33,679 --> 01:32:36,560
be you know large larger lots that are

2019
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:38,320
more you know compatible with rural

2020
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:40,400
residential properties. And this is the

2021
01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:44,159
first one that I've seen um in years I

2022
01:32:44,159 --> 01:32:45,920
think and Josh you probably or or

2023
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:49,120
Ralpho, but you know, so

2024
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:51,199
um homes on halfacre lots. I mean, I

2025
01:32:51,199 --> 01:32:54,320
think that's a nice um option for

2026
01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:57,120
housing in our community. I I like that

2027
01:32:57,120 --> 01:33:00,480
it's, you know, you've you've got uh

2028
01:33:00,480 --> 01:33:02,239
rural residential large lot properties

2029
01:33:02,239 --> 01:33:04,400
to the south. You've got estate

2030
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:07,040
properties in Sycamore Springs uh to the

2031
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:09,199
east. And so I think this is probably

2032
01:33:09,199 --> 01:33:12,560
like the best type of development um

2033
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:16,159
possible, you know, to be near those existing properties. So I

2034
01:33:16,159 --> 01:33:18,480
appreciate seeing that. I I really like

2035
01:33:18,480 --> 01:33:21,920
that the plan preserves the mature trees

2036
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:23,840
um and the existing vegetation and the

2037
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:26,239
streams and the ponds. I think the bike

2038
01:33:26,239 --> 01:33:31,120
path that that staff has uh required is excellent. 10 feet wide, all

2039
01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:32,880
concrete.

2040
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:34,480
Everyone will complain on Facebook in

2041
01:33:34,480 --> 01:33:35,440
the beginning that it doesn't go

2042
01:33:35,440 --> 01:33:37,600
anywhere, but eventually it will. And it

2043
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:39,120
and it's nice because you got to you've

2044
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:42,719
got to start somewhere. Um,

2045
01:33:42,719 --> 01:33:44,080
you know, I also like the diversity of

2046
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:45,360
housing designs and they're trying to

2047
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:47,280
do, you know, bespoke designs on each

2048
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:50,000
lot. So, that's nice. And, and I also

2049
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:52,159
think that the city has probably

2050
01:33:52,159 --> 01:33:53,840
attracted this development in part

2051
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:55,679
because of the northeast sewer

2052
01:33:55,679 --> 01:33:57,440
improvement project, which was kind of

2053
01:33:57,440 --> 01:33:59,440
forwardlooking. And I think this is what

2054
01:33:59,440 --> 01:34:01,600
the city was hoping to to get this type

2055
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:04,719
of development. Um, and I and I'll say

2056
01:34:04,719 --> 01:34:08,320
also with with the M1, you know, kind of

2057
01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:10,480
the legacy M1 uh to the west of the

2058
01:34:10,480 --> 01:34:13,520
railroad tracks and the M1 which will,

2059
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:15,120
you know, to the north that will now be

2060
01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:18,480
under the newly redefined M1. Um, you

2061
01:34:18,480 --> 01:34:19,760
know, there there was definitely a risk

2062
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:21,199
that this property could be could have

2063
01:34:21,199 --> 01:34:23,360
been M1 instead, you know, or even maybe

2064
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:26,400
someone would propose M2. So to have a a

2065
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:29,600
residential development there um I I

2066
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:32,639
think is is very positive compared to

2067
01:34:32,639 --> 01:34:34,480
more industrial development in that

2068
01:34:34,480 --> 01:34:37,040
area. So those are my comments.

2069
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:38,320
>> Yeah. Well, I'll piggyback on that

2070
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:39,920
because we've had applications come

2071
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:41,679
through resoning before and we've denied

2072
01:34:41,679 --> 01:34:43,600
them. We said this is a residential

2073
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:46,080
area. Um and I think it was brought up

2074
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:47,760
earlier with the the rail line. We said

2075
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:49,600
that rail line is our hard steadfast

2076
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:52,239
line and this side is residential. the

2077
01:34:52,239 --> 01:34:54,080
other side you say commercial and

2078
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:55,360
industrial because once we start

2079
01:34:55,360 --> 01:34:57,600
reszoning the other side industrial we

2080
01:34:57,600 --> 01:34:59,280
start to open Pandora's box but I want

2081
01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:01,185
to go back to the the storm

2082
01:35:01,185 --> 01:35:02,560
[clears throat] water aspect of it and

2083
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:04,239
kind of that storm water protection plan

2084
01:35:04,239 --> 01:35:08,880
of it um and just the layout of this I I do like the layout of it I think when

2085
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:10,320
you look at the south side and the west

2086
01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:12,000
side of this layout it's a lot more

2087
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:13,520
orthagonal in nature it's a lot more

2088
01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:15,280
denser so they're keeping the density

2089
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:17,360
away from the waterways and the

2090
01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:19,360
neighbors and I think as you start to

2091
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:22,000
move north and east closer to the

2092
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:23,840
neighbors there, you start to see that

2093
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:26,320
uh density decrease. You see deeper lots

2094
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:28,320
and a lot more respect, I think, to the

2095
01:35:28,320 --> 01:35:30,880
natural topography and the waterways.

2096
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:33,520
So, I applaud the applicant on just not

2097
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:34,639
sitting here and going with an

2098
01:35:34,639 --> 01:35:36,560
orthagonal development through here and

2099
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:38,239
blowing everything out, but actually

2100
01:35:38,239 --> 01:35:41,920
being mindful of what is there. Um, yes,

2101
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:44,560
there are existing water issues, but

2102
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:46,159
again, I go back to that storm water

2103
01:35:46,159 --> 01:35:48,239
protection plan and that our city will

2104
01:35:48,239 --> 01:35:50,000
hold them to it and you can't discharge

2105
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:52,560
more than the precon uh uh

2106
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:55,760
pre-constructed um conditions. Um,

2107
01:35:55,760 --> 01:35:58,080
outside of that, traffic, that's always

2108
01:35:58,080 --> 01:35:59,679
going to be a thing. Um, the

2109
01:35:59,679 --> 01:36:02,159
developments usually come first. It's

2110
01:36:02,159 --> 01:36:04,480
149 houses, but there are four phases.

2111
01:36:04,480 --> 01:36:07,600
So, like fuzzy math is with 38 houses

2112
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:09,600
roughly, give or take, plus or minus.

2113
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:11,520
So, it's not going to be 149 houses

2114
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:13,520
overnight. Um, just remind yourself that

2115
01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:15,360
I'm in a multi-phase division

2116
01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:16,800
subdivision. I've been there for 12

2117
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:18,480
years and I think we're on like maybe

2118
01:36:18,480 --> 01:36:21,280
phase three. So, uh, it doesn't happen

2119
01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:23,120
overnight. It's a process. There will be

2120
01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:24,480
growing pains, but I think at the end of

2121
01:36:24,480 --> 01:36:25,520
the day, I think this is the right

2122
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:30,390
location, a good layout.

2123
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:34,480
» Thank you. Any other comments?

2124
01:36:34,480 --> 01:36:37,840
>> No, I think both of you stated pretty

2125
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:39,840
much what I would have said. I think

2126
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:45,119
it's a it's a good uh uh thought out uh

2127
01:36:45,119 --> 01:36:49,360
plan and I think it's given the larger

2128
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:51,600
uh homes that are in the area that this

2129
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:56,000
is an ideal kind of uh development

2130
01:36:56,000 --> 01:37:00,159
rather than having 350 homes

2131
01:37:00,159 --> 01:37:02,239
>> smashed into this little piece of

2132
01:37:02,239 --> 01:37:04,400
property. Yeah,

2133
01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:06,400
>> it's definitely lower density than the

2134
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:09,830
typical development.

2135
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:11,600
All right. If there is no no further

2136
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:22,950
deliberation, I will entertain a motion.

2137
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:39,189
» I remember that part.

2138
01:37:39,199 --> 01:37:41,600
You said three conditions.

2139
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:44,719
Uh, so,

2140
01:37:44,719 --> 01:37:47,360
okay, let me think here.

2141
01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:49,440
>> Something about the accessory building.

2142
01:37:49,440 --> 01:37:52,960
>> Yeah, I had kind of drafted a semi

2143
01:37:52,960 --> 01:38:15,510
example motion. Um,

2144
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:16,880
Okay. Okay. So, it would kind of be

2145
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:19,520
something like I move to recommend

2146
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:22,320
approval of application

2147
01:38:22,320 --> 01:38:24,880
um

2148
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:28,000
with a modification granted to permit

2149
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:30,400
accessory structures up to a size of

2150
01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:34,639
1,200 square ft. Um, I guess within that

2151
01:38:34,639 --> 01:38:36,719
you would also say, "I recommend

2152
01:38:36,719 --> 01:38:38,880
approval of the application per the

2153
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:40,960
conditions listed in the staff letter

2154
01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:44,000
with a modification to the maximum size

2155
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:46,400
of accessory structures up to 1,200

2156
01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:47,679
square ft.

2157
01:38:47,679 --> 01:38:49,840
>> Accessory structures are only on

2158
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:52,239
attached garage homes. Correct.

2159
01:38:52,239 --> 01:38:57,760
>> Accessory structure any any accessory detached structure. Uh,

2160
01:38:57,760 --> 01:38:59,280
but they can only have one. So they

2161
01:38:59,280 --> 01:39:01,040
could either have a detached garage or a

2162
01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:02,880
detached shed, but they can't have two

2163
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:04,080
detached structures.

2164
01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:04,480
>> Okay.

2165
01:39:04,480 --> 01:39:05,840
>> Yeah. That's not that's a requirement

2166
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:07,119
set forth in our code that's not being

2167
01:39:07,119 --> 01:39:07,679
modified.

2168
01:39:07,679 --> 01:39:09,920
>> So the detached garage qualifies as an

2169
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:10,719
accessory.

2170
01:39:10,719 --> 01:39:11,199
>> Yes.

2171
01:39:11,199 --> 01:39:19,830
>> Okay.

2172
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:24,390
I don't know if I can do this. Um,

2173
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:26,400
I move to recommend approval city

2174
01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:28,080
council

2175
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:30,960
as presented by staff's report with

2176
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:33,199
accessory buildings

2177
01:39:33,199 --> 01:39:37,360
included up to 120 square feet

2178
01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:39,280
>> close,

2179
01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:42,400
1200 square feet. Sorry,

2180
01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:45,600
I I read a number before I spoke.

2181
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:54,229
1200 ft.

2182
01:39:54,239 --> 01:39:55,840
» Spencer, is that sufficient or does she

2183
01:39:55,840 --> 01:39:59,760
need to describe the which specifically

2184
01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:01,920
which one? Z26-2.

2185
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:02,960
>> Nope, that's sufficient.

2186
01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:04,800
>> Okay, I hear a motion. Do we have a

2187
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:05,119
second?

2188
01:40:05,119 --> 01:40:07,280
>> Second.

2189
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:10,560
>> All right. Um, take the vote starting on

2190
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:11,920
the right.

2191
01:40:11,920 --> 01:40:12,400
I

2192
01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:14,480
>> I

2193
01:40:14,480 --> 01:40:26,550
>> All right, the motion passes. 5-0.

2194
01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:29,760
Okay, next on the agenda is Rhonda Dunn

2195
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:32,960
with the capital improvement plan

2196
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:50,070
2027 to 2031.

2197
01:40:50,080 --> 01:40:51,920
I just chuckled thinking back to your

2198
01:40:51,920 --> 01:40:56,149
first one.

2199
01:40:56,159 --> 01:41:07,109
» I know, right?

2200
01:41:07,119 --> 01:41:12,550
» I'm here.

2201
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:18,310
And for the group that's here

2202
01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:20,560
on my desk, they're also available for

2203
01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:22,000
people who are listening. You can see

2204
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:24,880
them online in the finance tab under

2205
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:33,750
budget on the city's website.

2206
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:35,760
So tonight our objective is to review

2207
01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:39,040
the CIP and to determine if the plan

2208
01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:41,440
fits the comprehensive

2209
01:41:41,440 --> 01:41:43,679
that is supporting the comprehensive

2210
01:41:43,679 --> 01:41:45,440
plan and the objectives the city step

2211
01:41:45,440 --> 01:41:47,600
forward and then in the end tonight

2212
01:41:47,600 --> 01:41:51,440
you'll vote you'll choose to vote to

2213
01:41:51,440 --> 01:41:54,000
confirm or not confirm to council as

2214
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:58,880
compant with the comprehensive

2215
01:41:58,880 --> 01:42:01,920
um The plan has a lot of projects in it

2216
01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:03,280
and so I'm really glad that we have

2217
01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:05,840
staff here tonight. I have Jacob, the

2218
01:42:05,840 --> 01:42:08,000
public works director,

2219
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:11,119
assistant city administrator and then we

2220
01:42:11,119 --> 01:42:14,800
have Mike is here on community

2221
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:19,119
administrator and then Alison

2222
01:42:19,119 --> 01:42:21,520
is also here to answer all of those

2223
01:42:21,520 --> 01:42:26,709
project questions you already.

2224
01:42:26,719 --> 01:42:28,159
So let me tell you a little bit about

2225
01:42:28,159 --> 01:42:29,679
the process.

2226
01:42:29,679 --> 01:42:32,320
So far, this process starts early in the

2227
01:42:32,320 --> 01:42:34,960
year in April. We started with council

2228
01:42:34,960 --> 01:42:37,840
and staff to take a look at where the 26

2229
01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:40,560
to 30 plan was and what projects needed

2230
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:44,960
to be added, removed, extended, changed,

2231
01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:47,040
and we've been working on this since we

2232
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:49,679
had two staff work sessions on it and

2233
01:42:49,679 --> 01:42:53,280
one council work session. So, a lot has

2234
01:42:53,280 --> 01:42:56,239
gone into getting to this point and

2235
01:42:56,239 --> 01:42:57,920
getting the right projects in at the

2236
01:42:57,920 --> 01:43:02,229
right time.

2237
01:43:02,239 --> 01:43:03,840
Tonight I'm going to focus on the

2238
01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:07,040
projects that are new for this plan

2239
01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:09,840
in the budget book that you have. All of

2240
01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:11,760
the projects from last year are in that

2241
01:43:11,760 --> 01:43:14,239
budget book. And the hand up that you

2242
01:43:14,239 --> 01:43:16,480
got tonight that looks like this has all

2243
01:43:16,480 --> 01:43:21,830
of the new on.

2244
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:25,119
And so I'm going to focus first on those

2245
01:43:25,119 --> 01:43:32,629
and then I'll talk about the plan in

2246
01:43:32,639 --> 01:43:34,159
There are three categories that we look

2247
01:43:34,159 --> 01:43:35,920
at in the capital plan. The first one

2248
01:43:35,920 --> 01:43:37,360
we're going to talk about are the public

2249
01:43:37,360 --> 01:43:39,760
facilities projects. And these three

2250
01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:42,480
bullet points are the I guess the

2251
01:43:42,480 --> 01:43:45,199
criteria we look at to determine if the

2252
01:43:45,199 --> 01:43:48,320
project fits in this category. And these

2253
01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:50,800
do these statements do come from the

2254
01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:53,760
existing approved comprehensive plan.

2255
01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:55,440
The growth of a community is strongly

2256
01:43:55,440 --> 01:43:57,199
dependent on its attractiveness and

2257
01:43:57,199 --> 01:44:00,480
potential vis. The availability of jobs,

2258
01:44:00,480 --> 01:44:02,560
good schools, housing, recreational

2259
01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:04,880
opportunities, and many other factors

2260
01:44:04,880 --> 01:44:07,119
drives the city's ability to attract new

2261
01:44:07,119 --> 01:44:09,840
residents. The provision of quality

2262
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:12,000
public services, while often taken for

2263
01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:14,880
granted, is critical to the growth of

2264
01:44:14,880 --> 01:44:17,119
the city. And by the way, this plan is

2265
01:44:17,119 --> 01:44:18,719
colorcoded all the way through. So

2266
01:44:18,719 --> 01:44:21,360
whenever you see this red color, those

2267
01:44:21,360 --> 01:44:25,750
are public facil

2268
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:28,560
So then we have a list of about 14 new

2269
01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:31,520
public facility projects and then the

2270
01:44:31,520 --> 01:44:34,800
other projects like I said were the 26.

2271
01:44:34,800 --> 01:44:36,719
Um

2272
01:44:36,719 --> 01:44:38,080
I'm going to run through these some of

2273
01:44:38,080 --> 01:44:39,600
these quickly. You're welcome to ask

2274
01:44:39,600 --> 01:44:42,880
questions. Um I will stop after each of

2275
01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:45,199
these groups and open it questions as

2276
01:44:45,199 --> 01:44:48,159
well. So we have the North Street sewer

2277
01:44:48,159 --> 01:44:51,920
line which is for housing north and west

2278
01:44:51,920 --> 01:44:55,119
of the G plant.

2279
01:44:55,119 --> 01:44:57,840
This is a new one. We have really nice

2280
01:44:57,840 --> 01:44:59,360
playgrounds. We'd like to see them

2281
01:44:59,360 --> 01:45:04,719
extended and improved upon added

2282
01:45:04,719 --> 01:45:08,080
with the 223rd Street Loop Trail which

2283
01:45:08,080 --> 01:45:12,000
is down obviously 223rd Street running

2284
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:16,080
along between Western and Victory.

2285
01:45:16,080 --> 01:45:19,119
We will work on a sanitary sewer master

2286
01:45:19,119 --> 01:45:23,040
plant and then our salt storage building

2287
01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:26,800
which is where um public works building

2288
01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:28,960
our public works

2289
01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:31,760
for winter weather. As the police

2290
01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:33,920
department continues to grow, we will

2291
01:45:33,920 --> 01:45:38,639
have fleet additions for those. And then

2292
01:45:38,639 --> 01:45:42,080
we have a I'll leave out the details, a

2293
01:45:42,080 --> 01:45:43,760
fingerprinting system we need to put in

2294
01:45:43,760 --> 01:45:46,480
place for court and police. We've done

2295
01:45:46,480 --> 01:45:48,800
some upgrades and enhancements and

2296
01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:52,239
extensions of the storm siren

2297
01:45:52,239 --> 01:45:54,719
system here in Spring Hill. But as we

2298
01:45:54,719 --> 01:45:57,840
annex and we grow, we will need to add

2299
01:45:57,840 --> 01:45:59,600
storm sirens or improve the ones we

2300
01:45:59,600 --> 01:46:02,480
have. So we're now budgeting each year

2301
01:46:02,480 --> 01:46:05,600
for storm sirens. I want to point out

2302
01:46:05,600 --> 01:46:08,000
the column called funding source and

2303
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:10,239
whenever possible you know we love to

2304
01:46:10,239 --> 01:46:12,560
apply for grants and so in the funding

2305
01:46:12,560 --> 01:46:14,880
source you'll see how we plan to pay for

2306
01:46:14,880 --> 01:46:17,360
those things and for example on storm

2307
01:46:17,360 --> 01:46:21,119
sirens there could be or brick grants

2308
01:46:21,119 --> 01:46:34,790
available in multip

2309
01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:37,520
for that project.

2310
01:46:37,520 --> 01:46:39,600
Um,

2311
01:46:39,600 --> 01:46:41,119
roadside lawn mower. I'm going to run

2312
01:46:41,119 --> 01:46:45,199
through a mobile data

2313
01:46:45,199 --> 01:46:49,119
police department range and dicing

2314
01:46:49,119 --> 01:46:52,320
generating system for streets, portable

2315
01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:54,400
radio.

2316
01:46:54,400 --> 01:46:56,080
Those were all public facilities and

2317
01:46:56,080 --> 01:47:00,320
equipment projects that were added in.

2318
01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:04,159
The biggest ones on there sanitary sewer

2319
01:47:04,159 --> 01:47:09,030
and then adding playgrounds.

2320
01:47:09,040 --> 01:47:21,510
Can I answer any questions about

2321
01:47:21,520 --> 01:47:25,040
I'm going to move on to this section

2322
01:47:25,040 --> 01:47:28,320
of transportation projects.

2323
01:47:28,320 --> 01:47:30,400
The criteria for these projects is the

2324
01:47:30,400 --> 01:47:32,080
ability to transport people and goods

2325
01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:34,400
from one place to another is one of the

2326
01:47:34,400 --> 01:47:36,320
most basic components of economic and

2327
01:47:36,320 --> 01:47:39,040
social systems. Consequently, the

2328
01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:41,119
adequacy of a community's major street

2329
01:47:41,119 --> 01:47:43,600
system has a substantial impact on the

2330
01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:46,000
rate pattern of future growth. And

2331
01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:48,080
finally, long range planning is

2332
01:47:48,080 --> 01:47:50,400
necessary to ensure that the street

2333
01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:54,550
system is able to expand.

2334
01:47:54,560 --> 01:48:00,080
And the projects new in 2027 to 2031

2335
01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:02,000
are

2336
01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:04,560
the ones you see listed here. They total

2337
01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:06,639
over$und00 million. And the primary

2338
01:48:06,639 --> 01:48:12,550
reason that kind of money are railroads

2339
01:48:12,560 --> 01:48:14,639
take quite a bit of money. We believe

2340
01:48:14,639 --> 01:48:16,320
there will ederal funding when we get

2341
01:48:16,320 --> 01:48:19,520
there, we know. And so hopefully that

2342
01:48:19,520 --> 01:48:23,199
number will never come to

2343
01:48:23,199 --> 01:48:26,719
the city. We have improvements along

2344
01:48:26,719 --> 01:48:30,960
223rd Street from US 169 to

2345
01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:33,679
project from Victory and then

2346
01:48:33,679 --> 01:48:34,880
improvements at the Victory

2347
01:48:34,880 --> 01:48:37,360
intersection.

2348
01:48:37,360 --> 01:48:41,119
The 175th railroad crossing,

2349
01:48:41,119 --> 01:48:45,040
191st Street crossing on here. We the

2350
01:48:45,040 --> 01:48:48,080
traffic signalization at 18 we talked

2351
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:50,719
about earlier tonight.

2352
01:48:50,719 --> 01:48:53,920
We have plans to improve 191 Woodland

2353
01:48:53,920 --> 01:48:56,000
Bridge

2354
01:48:56,000 --> 01:49:00,080
transportation master plan excuse me

2355
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:02,320
23rd Street master plan is in the works

2356
01:49:02,320 --> 01:49:06,880
right now with county and then we have

2357
01:49:06,880 --> 01:49:11,600
new project for 191st US 169

2358
01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:14,560
finally the cars project Johnson County

2359
01:49:14,560 --> 01:49:16,320
for 2031

2360
01:49:16,320 --> 01:49:21,040
is 215 for the city limits to

2361
01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:22,239
answer any questions about

2362
01:49:22,239 --> 01:49:27,030
transportation.

2363
01:49:27,040 --> 01:49:28,960
» This is great.

2364
01:49:28,960 --> 01:49:30,560
>> Well, I've got a question. It's not

2365
01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:31,679
there yet.

2366
01:49:31,679 --> 01:49:34,400
>> Okay. [laughter] Okay. The next section,

2367
01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:36,159
and I'll be brief with it because we did

2368
01:49:36,159 --> 01:49:40,629
not add new projects to the

2369
01:49:40,639 --> 01:49:43,679
community development projects, but the

2370
01:49:43,679 --> 01:49:48,000
Criteria for this is to taste what

2371
01:49:48,000 --> 01:49:50,239
the new with the old

2372
01:49:50,239 --> 01:49:51,760
create a logical well balanced

2373
01:49:51,760 --> 01:49:56,470
commercial resistance

2374
01:49:56,480 --> 01:49:59,040
and responsibly use the city's natural

2375
01:49:59,040 --> 01:50:02,070
resources

2376
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:05,109
tonight.

2377
01:50:05,119 --> 01:50:16,629
Like I said,

2378
01:50:16,639 --> 01:50:18,560
we did not add new projects in this

2379
01:50:18,560 --> 01:50:21,840
category. There are projects on

2380
01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:26,790
the main sewer main

2381
01:50:26,800 --> 01:50:33,750
projects that

2382
01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:36,080
end project details and we move into the

2383
01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:48,629
summary.

2384
01:50:48,639 --> 01:50:50,639
So when I take all the projects, not

2385
01:50:50,639 --> 01:50:51,840
just the new ones I've shown you

2386
01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:56,159
tonight, the um the three categories

2387
01:50:56,159 --> 01:50:59,920
over five years have total um expected

2388
01:50:59,920 --> 01:51:03,679
cost of over $400 million. That includes

2389
01:51:03,679 --> 01:51:06,400
as you can tell facilities line, the

2390
01:51:06,400 --> 01:51:10,639
middle one over $25 million.

2391
01:51:10,639 --> 01:51:12,480
And then we have transportation as the

2392
01:51:12,480 --> 01:51:14,719
next larger category.

2393
01:51:14,719 --> 01:51:16,239
Um when you look some people like to

2394
01:51:16,239 --> 01:51:18,000
look at numbers, some people like to

2395
01:51:18,000 --> 01:51:21,040
picture and so you can see in the graph

2396
01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:25,920
that 51% of the public facilities

2397
01:51:25,920 --> 01:51:29,199
about 38.9 transportation but I think

2398
01:51:29,199 --> 01:51:30,880
it's important to take those huge

2399
01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:34,080
projects out like a wastewater treatment

2400
01:51:34,080 --> 01:51:38,560
140 million 304 million city

2401
01:51:38,560 --> 01:51:42,639
municipal complex a station works so I

2402
01:51:42,639 --> 01:51:45,520
pulled those big building projects out

2403
01:51:45,520 --> 01:51:48,000
so you can see where

2404
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:54,149
And that's this

2405
01:51:54,159 --> 01:51:56,000
graph here which shows when you remove

2406
01:51:56,000 --> 01:51:59,199
those projects 74% of the planned

2407
01:51:59,199 --> 01:52:01,920
capital projects would be in

2408
01:52:01,920 --> 01:52:04,480
transportation streets

2409
01:52:04,480 --> 01:52:07,760
and then the next category is community

2410
01:52:07,760 --> 01:52:09,760
development sewer lines and things like

2411
01:52:09,760 --> 01:52:12,790
that

2412
01:52:12,800 --> 01:52:22,950
buildings

2413
01:52:22,960 --> 01:52:25,840
the took out the building. I took out

2414
01:52:25,840 --> 01:52:30,239
the wastewater treatment plant complex

2415
01:52:30,239 --> 01:52:37,350
building.

2416
01:52:37,360 --> 01:52:39,599
I thought you only caught two. So,

2417
01:52:39,599 --> 01:52:40,880
perfect. Thank you.

2418
01:52:40,880 --> 01:52:45,520
>> She gonna pay the bill. police station.

2419
01:52:45,520 --> 01:52:50,310
I think I was station

2420
01:52:50,320 --> 01:52:54,709
I forgot somebody very important

2421
01:52:54,719 --> 01:52:56,800
with us. She's a senior accountant in

2422
01:52:56,800 --> 01:52:59,119
the finance department and I'm up here

2423
01:52:59,119 --> 01:53:02,080
talking but she does all I give credit

2424
01:53:02,080 --> 01:53:05,440
where credit's due and this is her

2425
01:53:05,440 --> 01:53:09,360
project in the budget and we're making

2426
01:53:09,360 --> 01:53:12,400
great improvements.

2427
01:53:12,400 --> 01:53:14,880
Okay, so I recategorized it's great big

2428
01:53:14,880 --> 01:53:17,040
numbers great big list I've shown you

2429
01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:18,960
how it fits with the capital the

2430
01:53:18,960 --> 01:53:21,119
comprehensive plan but I wanted to show

2431
01:53:21,119 --> 01:53:25,920
you by categories in the CI where we're

2432
01:53:25,920 --> 01:53:27,520
This gives you equipment. It gives you

2433
01:53:27,520 --> 01:53:30,320
facilities. It gives you storm water. It

2434
01:53:30,320 --> 01:53:33,199
shows you traffic from SS4 safety

2435
01:53:33,199 --> 01:53:35,280
improvements. It shows you that big

2436
01:53:35,280 --> 01:53:38,320
number treatment plant. And it breaks it

2437
01:53:38,320 --> 01:53:42,880
down into smaller.

2438
01:53:42,880 --> 01:53:45,520
And this is a performance thing to show

2439
01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:48,639
that the biggest line item is the waste

2440
01:53:48,639 --> 01:54:05,990
water. So important traffic is clear.

2441
01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:08,000
» Okay, I want to stop here. I'm gonna

2442
01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:11,440
show you some online, but I'll stop here

2443
01:54:11,440 --> 01:54:17,109
and answer questions.

2444
01:54:17,119 --> 01:54:18,320
Rhonda,

2445
01:54:18,320 --> 01:54:22,960
>> my assumption given the price tag

2446
01:54:22,960 --> 01:54:25,840
on all of this items that many of these

2447
01:54:25,840 --> 01:54:30,400
items will never get done unless

2448
01:54:30,400 --> 01:54:33,360
you plan to bond

2449
01:54:33,360 --> 01:54:37,599
a lot of money. In the last six years

2450
01:54:37,599 --> 01:54:41,760
ago, the city in bonds only owed $30

2451
01:54:41,760 --> 01:54:43,920
million.

2452
01:54:43,920 --> 01:54:47,920
Once the water plant is engaged, you the

2453
01:54:47,920 --> 01:54:53,040
city will owe over $200 million.

2454
01:54:53,040 --> 01:54:58,159
So I don't know how you do $400 million

2455
01:54:58,159 --> 01:55:00,400
in the next five years.

2456
01:55:00,400 --> 01:55:02,000
>> Well, a couple of things. You are

2457
01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:04,320
correct. Um, and if you look at that

2458
01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:07,679
column that I pointed out funding source

2459
01:55:07,679 --> 01:55:09,440
smaller projects, we're pretty pleased

2460
01:55:09,440 --> 01:55:11,440
to say that we built good cash reserves

2461
01:55:11,440 --> 01:55:14,159
and we'll pay cash for those projects.

2462
01:55:14,159 --> 01:55:15,679
There are big projects on here like

2463
01:55:15,679 --> 01:55:18,159
those $40 million

2464
01:55:18,159 --> 01:55:21,040
railroad.

2465
01:55:21,040 --> 01:55:24,000
>> We really expect to get

2466
01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:29,189
>> federal or state.

2467
01:55:29,199 --> 01:55:30,960
There will be bonding along the way.

2468
01:55:30,960 --> 01:55:34,719
We're going to do a big project on

2469
01:55:34,719 --> 01:55:38,950
the street there.

2470
01:55:38,960 --> 01:55:41,040
The wastewater treatment plant is not

2471
01:55:41,040 --> 01:55:44,950
supported by property tax.

2472
01:55:44,960 --> 01:55:46,719
And so

2473
01:55:46,719 --> 01:55:49,679
I won't I don't like to say we won't do

2474
01:55:49,679 --> 01:55:51,920
some of these projects. I think if we

2475
01:55:51,920 --> 01:55:56,870
don't get some federal funding,

2476
01:55:56,880 --> 01:55:58,960
but I think that we've proven in our

2477
01:55:58,960 --> 01:56:01,360
track record that we accomplish the

2478
01:56:01,360 --> 01:56:02,960
things we put in this plan. They used to

2479
01:56:02,960 --> 01:56:07,520
call the CI projects to die and now we

2480
01:56:07,520 --> 01:56:10,000
at those and we do change and eliminate

2481
01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:12,480
things along the way. But I hope we to

2482
01:56:12,480 --> 01:56:20,870
accomplish the things that

2483
01:56:20,880 --> 01:56:25,990
» I knew you had.

2484
01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:27,920
» And did I hear you correctly that the

2485
01:56:27,920 --> 01:56:30,239
wastewater treatment facility the intent

2486
01:56:30,239 --> 01:56:32,320
is that that will be paid for through

2487
01:56:32,320 --> 01:56:36,470
users?

2488
01:56:36,480 --> 01:56:37,119
» Right.

2489
01:56:37,119 --> 01:56:40,560
>> It is a enterprise fund that is not to

2490
01:56:40,560 --> 01:56:42,320
be supported by

2491
01:56:42,320 --> 01:56:44,400
just

2492
01:56:44,400 --> 01:56:45,679
>> so that will in the beginning I mean

2493
01:56:45,679 --> 01:56:47,199
that'll serve the debt but eventually

2494
01:56:47,199 --> 01:56:48,239
pay it off. Is that

2495
01:56:48,239 --> 01:56:48,719
>> Yes.

2496
01:56:48,719 --> 01:56:51,040
>> Okay. And then I assume you you've

2497
01:56:51,040 --> 01:56:54,159
created models that model the expected

2498
01:56:54,159 --> 01:56:56,400
growth of the city to to be able to pay

2499
01:56:56,400 --> 01:56:58,639
that off over whatever duration of time

2500
01:56:58,639 --> 01:57:01,119
that you're forecasting. Okay. We also

2501
01:57:01,119 --> 01:57:05,119
looked at um the surrounding area and

2502
01:57:05,119 --> 01:57:09,119
the um I'll say our competitors compete

2503
01:57:09,119 --> 01:57:11,280
utilities

2504
01:57:11,280 --> 01:57:16,709
but we looked at Johnson County wast We

2505
01:57:16,719 --> 01:57:20,880
will be when the city's rates are higher

2506
01:57:20,880 --> 01:57:22,880
but in the period of time the debt is

2507
01:57:22,880 --> 01:57:28,400
paid back to what we do now

2508
01:57:28,400 --> 01:57:31,599
other systems. So the users will pay the

2509
01:57:31,599 --> 01:57:36,870
system and it is based on reser%

2510
01:57:36,880 --> 01:57:41,360
growth over the last five years. Um

2511
01:57:41,360 --> 01:57:43,440
you're now growing on a bigger number

2512
01:57:43,440 --> 01:57:45,840
like that. We have

2513
01:57:45,840 --> 01:57:47,599
modeled

2514
01:57:47,599 --> 01:57:50,239
capacity of the plant based on an

2515
01:57:50,239 --> 01:57:57,189
overall 4% 6%

2516
01:57:57,199 --> 01:57:58,639
» and so even at the lower end of the

2517
01:57:58,639 --> 01:58:00,239
growth

2518
01:58:00,239 --> 01:58:04,000
range it would still pay for itself.

2519
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:06,320
>> Okay, that's great.

2520
01:58:06,320 --> 01:58:09,360
and and at what percentage of capacity

2521
01:58:09,360 --> 01:58:11,360
is the current plan?

2522
01:58:11,360 --> 01:58:16,070
>> Now, I'm going to defer to much.

2523
01:58:16,080 --> 01:58:17,840
» I I'm just curious as background for the

2524
01:58:17,840 --> 01:58:33,350
need. We we all know that.

2525
01:58:33,360 --> 01:58:35,920
That's max capacity.

2526
01:58:35,920 --> 01:58:38,639
We are currently running around 800,000

2527
01:58:38,639 --> 01:58:41,520
gallons per day.

2528
01:58:41,520 --> 01:58:44,159
One other caveat to that though is when

2529
01:58:44,159 --> 01:58:46,239
the plant reaches

2530
01:58:46,239 --> 01:58:48,000
80%

2531
01:58:48,000 --> 01:58:51,990
of its capacity

2532
01:58:52,000 --> 01:58:58,390
starts to

2533
01:58:58,400 --> 01:59:06,310
exper

2534
01:59:06,320 --> 01:59:08,880
It is

2535
01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:14,560
fasting that 80% number. So that's

2536
01:59:14,560 --> 01:59:17,360
driving

2537
01:59:17,360 --> 01:59:32,470
this now.

2538
01:59:32,480 --> 01:59:34,719
» Yeah, for sure. By my math, you're at

2539
01:59:34,719 --> 01:59:41,360
64% So you've got 21% left

2540
01:59:41,360 --> 01:59:52,229
>> growth rates about

2541
01:59:52,239 --> 01:59:55,599
» okay close. Thank you. There was also

2542
01:59:55,599 --> 01:59:59,440
correct me if I'm wrong there was also

2543
01:59:59,440 --> 02:00:01,280
the probability of not being able to get

2544
02:00:01,280 --> 02:00:05,589
parts and stuff that

2545
02:00:05,599 --> 02:00:10,000
» yeah that's that is part of the

2546
02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:22,310
building

2547
02:00:22,320 --> 02:00:33,350
it time

2548
02:00:33,360 --> 02:00:36,639
But I remember back when we put that in

2549
02:00:36,639 --> 02:00:41,360
projected probability was 2025 2027

2550
02:00:41,360 --> 02:00:43,280
just about

2551
02:00:43,280 --> 02:00:45,760
it was suspected when we put it in back

2552
02:00:45,760 --> 02:00:48,239
in the day.

2553
02:00:48,239 --> 02:00:49,599
>> So that gives you some confidence in

2554
02:00:49,599 --> 02:00:51,920
today's planning too.

2555
02:00:51,920 --> 02:00:54,480
Right.

2556
02:00:54,480 --> 02:00:57,910
Thank you,

2557
02:00:57,920 --> 02:00:59,599
» Rhonda.

2558
02:00:59,599 --> 02:01:01,840
Sidewalks.

2559
02:01:01,840 --> 02:01:13,030
What's the big

2560
02:01:13,040 --> 02:01:17,430
» street?

2561
02:01:17,440 --> 02:01:19,679
I know you guys get a lot of questions

2562
02:01:19,679 --> 02:01:22,800
on social media.

2563
02:01:22,800 --> 02:01:25,280
Um, I always like to I always hope that

2564
02:01:25,280 --> 02:01:28,400
someone will refer people back to the

2565
02:01:28,400 --> 02:01:30,800
budget book in the CI because they'll

2566
02:01:30,800 --> 02:01:33,679
say fix

2567
02:01:33,679 --> 02:01:36,880
h that's in here in the timeline, how

2568
02:01:36,880 --> 02:01:39,760
much that costs and so there is tons of

2569
02:01:39,760 --> 02:01:42,400
information out there for people to go

2570
02:01:42,400 --> 02:01:45,440
out and share with other people where

2571
02:01:45,440 --> 02:01:48,560
the projects are.

2572
02:01:48,560 --> 02:01:49,760
>> I was hoping you were going to say

2573
02:01:49,760 --> 02:01:55,589
south, but I wasn't sure.

2574
02:01:55,599 --> 02:01:57,199
questions.

2575
02:01:57,199 --> 02:01:58,719
>> This might be you jumping all over, but

2576
02:01:58,719 --> 02:02:00,159
the one I had had to do with the

2577
02:02:00,159 --> 02:02:03,280
rightway acquisition and it's unfunded.

2578
02:02:03,280 --> 02:02:04,880
Would that be something that possibly a

2579
02:02:04,880 --> 02:02:08,000
grant could fund we could use? Or I

2580
02:02:08,000 --> 02:02:09,760
mean, I just get nervous with how

2581
02:02:09,760 --> 02:02:10,880
quickly we're growing and we're

2582
02:02:10,880 --> 02:02:12,960
approving, you know, all these

2583
02:02:12,960 --> 02:02:15,199
developments and without a plan in

2584
02:02:15,199 --> 02:02:17,199
place. I I know we're kind of jocking

2585
02:02:17,199 --> 02:02:19,440
between needing a plan to understand

2586
02:02:19,440 --> 02:02:22,000
what rightway needs to be acquired, but

2587
02:02:22,000 --> 02:02:23,360
even when we get to that point, it's

2588
02:02:23,360 --> 02:02:25,520
like we don't have any funding to

2589
02:02:25,520 --> 02:02:28,560
acquire the rightway to develop this. We

2590
02:02:28,560 --> 02:02:30,800
have the monies, you know, in here for

2591
02:02:30,800 --> 02:02:32,960
trails and sidewalks and so forth, but

2592
02:02:32,960 --> 02:02:36,239
we don't have anything to get it going

2593
02:02:36,239 --> 02:02:38,080
to identify or to fund the rideway

2594
02:02:38,080 --> 02:02:39,520
acquisition. So, I'm still I'm just kind

2595
02:02:39,520 --> 02:02:40,800
of nervous about that.

2596
02:02:40,800 --> 02:02:42,480
>> I'll tell you that the rideway that I

2597
02:02:42,480 --> 02:02:46,000
think we'reing there

2598
02:02:46,000 --> 02:02:56,390
Okay.

2599
02:02:56,400 --> 02:03:00,000
» And maybe a K project.

2600
02:03:00,000 --> 02:03:01,440
>> I was say is that something Kat would

2601
02:03:01,440 --> 02:03:04,080
help out on then if for the funding what

2602
02:03:04,080 --> 02:03:05,920
if it was would is that something that

2603
02:03:05,920 --> 02:03:10,000
KAT would help out on the funding then?

2604
02:03:10,000 --> 02:03:13,725
>> The answer short answer is for every

2605
02:03:13,725 --> 02:03:14,480
>> [clears throat]

2606
02:03:14,480 --> 02:03:19,440
>> with K wherever we can we

2607
02:03:19,440 --> 02:03:20,800
>> I mean that makes sense because when I

2608
02:03:20,800 --> 02:03:22,639
see the rightway acquisition I'm I'm

2609
02:03:22,639 --> 02:03:25,679
going towards more city trail like widen

2610
02:03:25,679 --> 02:03:28,159
rightaways for widen paths and bike

2611
02:03:28,159 --> 02:03:30,960
paths um that we identify in a comp plan

2612
02:03:30,960 --> 02:03:35,910
not necessarily overpasses

2613
02:03:35,920 --> 02:03:39,520
» it's a project by project

2614
02:03:39,520 --> 02:03:41,840
and I know we have

2615
02:03:41,840 --> 02:03:44,550
related to

2616
02:03:44,560 --> 02:03:46,639
with that

2617
02:03:46,639 --> 02:03:50,870
street

2618
02:03:50,880 --> 02:03:57,750
or county. They don't get involved in

2619
02:03:57,760 --> 02:04:00,719
» they like 4.3 identified for parks and

2620
02:04:00,719 --> 02:04:03,119
trails. 4.3 million identified for parks

2621
02:04:03,119 --> 02:04:04,560
and trails down the road. And I don't

2622
02:04:04,560 --> 02:04:06,239
know if maybe some of that acquisition

2623
02:04:06,239 --> 02:04:07,840
could be rolled into that number too as

2624
02:04:07,840 --> 02:04:10,639
well. So sorry.

2625
02:04:10,639 --> 02:04:12,400
>> Yeah.

2626
02:04:12,400 --> 02:04:18,470
All right.

2627
02:04:18,480 --> 02:04:22,070
So,

2628
02:04:22,080 --> 02:04:32,870
that kind of stuff.

2629
02:04:32,880 --> 02:04:36,870
So, there's

2630
02:04:36,880 --> 02:04:56,310
other

2631
02:04:56,320 --> 02:05:07,350
Thank you.

2632
02:05:07,360 --> 02:05:09,119
» Any other questions?

2633
02:05:09,119 --> 02:05:13,119
>> Contining on the CIP reporting as well

2634
02:05:13,119 --> 02:05:14,639
as the budget book. And I wanted to

2635
02:05:14,639 --> 02:05:16,880
share with you

2636
02:05:16,880 --> 02:05:20,400
some of the things that we're

2637
02:05:20,400 --> 02:05:21,679
one of the things that we're doing.

2638
02:05:21,679 --> 02:05:23,440
You're going to see the budget book

2639
02:05:23,440 --> 02:05:27,430
online.

2640
02:05:27,440 --> 02:05:29,760
And this is what the CIP pages will look

2641
02:05:29,760 --> 02:05:32,480
like in the online budget book. And the

2642
02:05:32,480 --> 02:05:34,239
cool thing about it is you can click on

2643
02:05:34,239 --> 02:05:36,960
any project you want. You can look at

2644
02:05:36,960 --> 02:05:38,880
certain categories across the top of the

2645
02:05:38,880 --> 02:05:39,840
page.

2646
02:05:39,840 --> 02:05:42,320
It'll take you directly to that

2647
02:05:42,320 --> 02:05:44,560
particular project's

2648
02:05:44,560 --> 02:05:47,679
um individual page. We use pictures. You

2649
02:05:47,679 --> 02:05:49,760
guys have seen this.

2650
02:05:49,760 --> 02:05:52,800
Um it talks about

2651
02:05:52,800 --> 02:05:54,320
grants and other things that are going

2652
02:05:54,320 --> 02:05:58,000
into what the cost is like. And it's

2653
02:05:58,000 --> 02:06:01,119
interactive with the user. And this the

2654
02:06:01,119 --> 02:06:02,800
one that you're seeing here has all of

2655
02:06:02,800 --> 02:06:05,920
the projects in it, not just the new

2656
02:06:05,920 --> 02:06:08,560
ones. And so we're building better tools

2657
02:06:08,560 --> 02:06:10,960
that I hope the public will use as well

2658
02:06:10,960 --> 02:06:14,560
as you that will help them understand

2659
02:06:14,560 --> 02:06:18,639
what the plans are and that we are

2660
02:06:18,639 --> 02:06:28,709
move.

2661
02:06:28,719 --> 02:06:31,119
» Rhonda, is this live today?

2662
02:06:31,119 --> 02:06:35,440
>> It is not. We want one more pass

2663
02:06:35,440 --> 02:06:42,550
from staff.

2664
02:06:42,560 --> 02:06:45,599
That's great.

2665
02:06:45,599 --> 02:07:09,270
>> Yes.

2666
02:07:09,280 --> 02:07:12,159
I will open it up again for discussion

2667
02:07:12,159 --> 02:07:21,510
if you'd like otherwise.

2668
02:07:21,520 --> 02:07:25,199
Any other questions for Rhonda or

2669
02:07:25,199 --> 02:07:26,480
>> These things are really starting to

2670
02:07:26,480 --> 02:07:28,159
excite me. The last couple ones have

2671
02:07:28,159 --> 02:07:30,239
been really good. Thank you.

2672
02:07:30,239 --> 02:07:31,840
>> Every year they get better and better.

2673
02:07:31,840 --> 02:07:34,960
>> Rhonda, you've made some

2674
02:07:34,960 --> 02:07:37,119
tremendous changes. It was It's like

2675
02:07:37,119 --> 02:07:39,920
night and day. [laughter]

2676
02:07:39,920 --> 02:07:44,629
>> I think back to that first one.

2677
02:07:44,639 --> 02:07:54,629
Can we improve that?

2678
02:07:54,639 --> 02:07:56,400
Our budget. We did receive the

2679
02:07:56,400 --> 02:08:09,510
government finance offic.

2680
02:08:09,520 --> 02:08:11,760
» Wow. Congrats.

2681
02:08:11,760 --> 02:08:13,440
>> Terrific.

2682
02:08:13,440 --> 02:08:16,000
>> Very good.

2683
02:08:16,000 --> 02:08:18,159
I move to recommend the city council the

2684
02:08:18,159 --> 02:08:22,880
2730 to 31 capital improvement plan in

2685
02:08:22,880 --> 02:08:25,040
compant

2686
02:08:25,040 --> 02:08:26,560
>> second.

2687
02:08:26,560 --> 02:08:27,760
All right, we have a motion and a

2688
02:08:27,760 --> 02:08:29,760
second. All in favor say I.

2689
02:08:29,760 --> 02:08:30,880
>> I.

2690
02:08:30,880 --> 02:08:32,719
>> All opposed.

2691
02:08:32,719 --> 02:08:34,239
Motion carries.

2692
02:08:34,239 --> 02:08:35,119
>> Thank you so much.

2693
02:08:35,119 --> 02:08:39,589
>> Thanks, Rhonda.

2694
02:08:39,599 --> 02:08:44,629
All right, announcements and reports.

2695
02:08:44,639 --> 02:08:45,520
discussion

2696
02:08:45,520 --> 02:08:47,760
>> or discussion. Is there discussion

2697
02:08:47,760 --> 02:08:49,760
specifically?

2698
02:08:49,760 --> 02:08:51,360
>> Yeah.

2699
02:08:51,360 --> 02:08:52,719
Proceed with discussion.

2700
02:08:52,719 --> 02:08:53,119
>> Okay.

2701
02:08:53,119 --> 02:08:55,119
>> We want it.

2702
02:08:55,119 --> 02:08:59,510
>> Does anyone have any discussion?

2703
02:08:59,520 --> 02:09:03,679
» Cindy storm shelters, tornado sirens,

2704
02:09:03,679 --> 02:09:04,159
>> garages.

2705
02:09:04,159 --> 02:09:05,040
>> I want to go home.

2706
02:09:05,040 --> 02:09:07,520
>> Okay.

2707
02:09:07,520 --> 02:09:10,639
>> Just asking. It's discussion.

2708
02:09:10,639 --> 02:09:14,800
Um, all right. used to be sidewalks.

2709
02:09:14,800 --> 02:09:16,560
>> That's good. And you know in and

2710
02:09:16,560 --> 02:09:18,480
>> comprehensive.

2711
02:09:18,480 --> 02:09:23,830
>> Yeah.

2712
02:09:23,840 --> 02:09:25,440
We I can give you a brief update

2713
02:09:25,440 --> 02:09:27,040
on the comprehensive plan process. We

2714
02:09:27,040 --> 02:09:29,119
have had three different meetings with

2715
02:09:29,119 --> 02:09:31,840
our consultant. We're tenatively getting

2716
02:09:31,840 --> 02:09:36,000
some dates on the calendar uh for um

2717
02:09:36,000 --> 02:09:38,480
some release dates of some interactive

2718
02:09:38,480 --> 02:09:40,079
websites that they're building right

2719
02:09:40,079 --> 02:09:41,199
now.

2720
02:09:41,199 --> 02:09:45,119
Uh there we will have a booth or

2721
02:09:45,119 --> 02:09:48,239
whatever we call it tent booth at at the

2722
02:09:48,239 --> 02:09:52,239
fall fund or the fall fest. Uh so uh

2723
02:09:52,239 --> 02:09:53,920
hopefully to have a good interactive

2724
02:09:53,920 --> 02:09:56,560
thing uh

2725
02:09:56,560 --> 02:09:59,040
presence there so we can pick up all of

2726
02:09:59,040 --> 02:10:00,880
that wonderful feedback of the people

2727
02:10:00,880 --> 02:10:03,760
who are attending that. Um there will be

2728
02:10:03,760 --> 02:10:05,679
a [clears throat]

2729
02:10:05,679 --> 02:10:08,880
website built and

2730
02:10:08,880 --> 02:10:10,719
uh created. We're working on the

2731
02:10:10,719 --> 02:10:14,560
branding right now um to kind of pick up

2732
02:10:14,560 --> 02:10:16,320
from where we went with the last one on

2733
02:10:16,320 --> 02:10:18,800
the blooming

2734
02:10:18,800 --> 02:10:21,040
something futures in bloom or something

2735
02:10:21,040 --> 02:10:23,199
like that. So in order to kind of

2736
02:10:23,199 --> 02:10:25,920
separate those two processes, we are

2737
02:10:25,920 --> 02:10:28,480
going with a different brand so that we

2738
02:10:28,480 --> 02:10:31,280
um let the consultant have that brand

2739
02:10:31,280 --> 02:10:34,079
that they did with the previous one. So,

2740
02:10:34,079 --> 02:10:35,920
uh, they're currently coming up with

2741
02:10:35,920 --> 02:10:38,079
some designs for,

2742
02:10:38,079 --> 02:10:40,000
uh, and some taglines for that. So,

2743
02:10:40,000 --> 02:10:41,280
things are kind of happening behind the

2744
02:10:41,280 --> 02:10:43,440
scenes right now. Uh, we don't want to

2745
02:10:43,440 --> 02:10:46,320
roll it out in kind of a a disjointed,

2746
02:10:46,320 --> 02:10:48,320
not very, you know, sorry to use the

2747
02:10:48,320 --> 02:10:51,280
word, but comprehensive way. Uh, but

2748
02:10:51,280 --> 02:10:53,440
when we do roll it out, it it'll be

2749
02:10:53,440 --> 02:10:57,760
pretty cool. And then, um,

2750
02:10:57,760 --> 02:11:00,639
yeah, we've had what, three meetings. Uh

2751
02:11:00,639 --> 02:11:02,719
we're finalizing all of the elements of

2752
02:11:02,719 --> 02:11:05,440
our public participation plan uh with

2753
02:11:05,440 --> 02:11:07,280
between Multistudio and then the

2754
02:11:07,280 --> 02:11:08,639
consultant that they're bringing on to

2755
02:11:08,639 --> 02:11:10,800
help with that, specifically Wilson and

2756
02:11:10,800 --> 02:11:13,679
company. So uh that is going to be a a

2757
02:11:13,679 --> 02:11:15,599
full-fledged plan just for the community

2758
02:11:15,599 --> 02:11:18,239
engagement because you know when we when

2759
02:11:18,239 --> 02:11:19,920
we talked to the city uh with the

2760
02:11:19,920 --> 02:11:21,119
governing body, the mayor and city

2761
02:11:21,119 --> 02:11:22,719
council, they said that that was one of

2762
02:11:22,719 --> 02:11:24,079
the biggest components they wanted to

2763
02:11:24,079 --> 02:11:27,280
see going forward is is really

2764
02:11:27,280 --> 02:11:29,360
getting as much

2765
02:11:29,360 --> 02:11:32,079
feedback and public engagement as we've

2766
02:11:32,079 --> 02:11:34,079
had on any of our plans to date. So,

2767
02:11:34,079 --> 02:11:35,760
they kind of want this to be our gold

2768
02:11:35,760 --> 02:11:37,840
star effort and I couldn't agree more.

2769
02:11:37,840 --> 02:11:40,639
So, there's things happening. It

2770
02:11:40,639 --> 02:11:42,400
probably feels like we're we're in this

2771
02:11:42,400 --> 02:11:44,800
delay mode, but there's a lot of work

2772
02:11:44,800 --> 02:11:46,960
happening behind the scenes and and it

2773
02:11:46,960 --> 02:11:49,360
will be starting to come about here

2774
02:11:49,360 --> 02:11:53,440
within the next four to six weeks if not

2775
02:11:53,440 --> 02:11:57,040
sooner. Is it a local company or

2776
02:11:57,040 --> 02:11:59,599
>> uh the company is Multistudio? Uh they

2777
02:11:59,599 --> 02:12:02,560
are a national company with a

2778
02:12:02,560 --> 02:12:05,440
significant office here in the Kansas

2779
02:12:05,440 --> 02:12:08,320
City metro. Um they have done

2780
02:12:08,320 --> 02:12:11,440
comprehensive plans for uh a number of

2781
02:12:11,440 --> 02:12:14,320
cities in the metro.

2782
02:12:14,320 --> 02:12:15,679
I don't remember them all off the top of

2783
02:12:15,679 --> 02:12:16,719
my head, but they're they're a

2784
02:12:16,719 --> 02:12:19,920
well-known firm. um the their their

2785
02:12:19,920 --> 02:12:23,119
principal uh Graham Smith is is well

2786
02:12:23,119 --> 02:12:25,599
known and they they've done just a lot

2787
02:12:25,599 --> 02:12:27,520
of comprehensive plans in the area and

2788
02:12:27,520 --> 02:12:31,119
then Wilson and Company uh is

2789
02:12:31,119 --> 02:12:33,679
a multiaceted firm, wouldn't you say,

2790
02:12:33,679 --> 02:12:36,239
Allison? Um they do quite a bit of

2791
02:12:36,239 --> 02:12:38,800
engineering work, transportation, uh

2792
02:12:38,800 --> 02:12:42,880
planning, uh parks and trails, and and

2793
02:12:42,880 --> 02:12:44,800
they they're really kind of ramping up

2794
02:12:44,800 --> 02:12:47,280
their whole urban planning side. And so

2795
02:12:47,280 --> 02:12:48,880
they were brought on board because they

2796
02:12:48,880 --> 02:12:51,920
have uh some staff members who are you

2797
02:12:51,920 --> 02:12:54,639
know specialists in public engagement.

2798
02:12:54,639 --> 02:12:56,719
And so uh they were brought on board

2799
02:12:56,719 --> 02:12:58,639
specifically to handle that uh to help

2800
02:12:58,639 --> 02:13:01,280
alleviate some of that for multi studio

2801
02:13:01,280 --> 02:13:03,679
uh in terms of you know having to

2802
02:13:03,679 --> 02:13:05,760
coordinate all that. And so we that

2803
02:13:05,760 --> 02:13:07,199
again is one of the biggest components

2804
02:13:07,199 --> 02:13:08,960
of it is that real true community

2805
02:13:08,960 --> 02:13:10,639
engagement and deliberate effort there.

2806
02:13:10,639 --> 02:13:11,520
So

2807
02:13:11,520 --> 02:13:14,320
>> Paul how would you capture comments? So,

2808
02:13:14,320 --> 02:13:16,320
we do a survey or

2809
02:13:16,320 --> 02:13:17,040
>> we don't know yet.

2810
02:13:17,040 --> 02:13:19,520
>> Just a dunk tank with the mayor tied to

2811
02:13:19,520 --> 02:13:21,280
the feedback. [laughter]

2812
02:13:21,280 --> 02:13:21,599
>> Right.

2813
02:13:21,599 --> 02:13:23,760
>> With your feedback, you get a throw.

2814
02:13:23,760 --> 02:13:24,159
>> Yeah.

2815
02:13:24,159 --> 02:13:25,920
>> Or if Mayor Young prefers, he could do a

2816
02:13:25,920 --> 02:13:28,719
kissing booth.

2817
02:13:28,719 --> 02:13:30,480
>> I will be sure to let him know of your

2818
02:13:30,480 --> 02:13:31,040
suggestion.

2819
02:13:31,040 --> 02:13:31,760
>> Okay. Please.

2820
02:13:31,760 --> 02:13:33,840
>> We will take all,

2821
02:13:33,840 --> 02:13:35,920
>> you know, I I don't want to do anything

2822
02:13:35,920 --> 02:13:37,920
that waste people's time at that. you

2823
02:13:37,920 --> 02:13:40,079
know, we you get just a very brief

2824
02:13:40,079 --> 02:13:42,800
moment of somebody's attention. And so,

2825
02:13:42,800 --> 02:13:44,239
um, it may be [clears throat] as

2826
02:13:44,239 --> 02:13:46,400
involved as could be interactive or it

2827
02:13:46,400 --> 02:13:48,960
could just be a card with a QR code that

2828
02:13:48,960 --> 02:13:52,719
leads to a survey. Um, we are we've

2829
02:13:52,719 --> 02:13:54,639
shared with them the the informal one

2830
02:13:54,639 --> 02:13:56,320
that Ian had put together earlier this

2831
02:13:56,320 --> 02:13:59,360
summer. Uh and so

2832
02:13:59,360 --> 02:14:02,639
we that is going that interactive map

2833
02:14:02,639 --> 02:14:04,480
that they're going to be building will

2834
02:14:04,480 --> 02:14:06,400
allow people, you know, people in the

2835
02:14:06,400 --> 02:14:08,639
public, businesses, anybody really to go

2836
02:14:08,639 --> 02:14:10,639
in there and pinpoint areas within the

2837
02:14:10,639 --> 02:14:12,719
city of what maybe what they want to see

2838
02:14:12,719 --> 02:14:17,119
or or how to solicit ideas. And so

2839
02:14:17,119 --> 02:14:18,719
another big component is really trying

2840
02:14:18,719 --> 02:14:22,320
to hit on that visioning. uh what do the

2841
02:14:22,320 --> 02:14:24,079
residents, what do the businesses, what

2842
02:14:24,079 --> 02:14:27,280
do planning commissioners, city staff,

2843
02:14:27,280 --> 02:14:30,079
governing body members want to see the

2844
02:14:30,079 --> 02:14:32,719
growth and and the ultimate buildout of

2845
02:14:32,719 --> 02:14:35,199
the city 20 years from now, 30 years

2846
02:14:35,199 --> 02:14:37,440
from now? What what does the community

2847
02:14:37,440 --> 02:14:41,199
want to be, if you will? Um, there are

2848
02:14:41,199 --> 02:14:43,920
some cities in in the country in a

2849
02:14:43,920 --> 02:14:45,840
similar boat that where they were 20

2850
02:14:45,840 --> 02:14:49,840
years ago have grown into 70 80,000

2851
02:14:49,840 --> 02:14:52,320
resident suburbs. There's other cities

2852
02:14:52,320 --> 02:14:56,000
that have kind of maintained more of a

2853
02:14:56,000 --> 02:14:57,599
protectionist attitude and they haven't

2854
02:14:57,599 --> 02:14:59,520
grown very much at all. And so then

2855
02:14:59,520 --> 02:15:01,920
there's even thousands more in between

2856
02:15:01,920 --> 02:15:04,400
those two. So, um, really trying to get

2857
02:15:04,400 --> 02:15:07,920
a sense and a a pulse point on what the

2858
02:15:07,920 --> 02:15:10,400
community wants to see. And as I've said

2859
02:15:10,400 --> 02:15:12,800
before, not everybody wants to see the

2860
02:15:12,800 --> 02:15:15,360
same things, but the goal of the plan is

2861
02:15:15,360 --> 02:15:17,679
to, you know, appeal to everybody in

2862
02:15:17,679 --> 02:15:19,599
some form.

2863
02:15:19,599 --> 02:15:21,360
>> I know when Johnson County Fair did

2864
02:15:21,360 --> 02:15:22,960
their

2865
02:15:22,960 --> 02:15:26,000
QR code

2866
02:15:26,000 --> 02:15:28,239
a year ago,

2867
02:15:28,239 --> 02:15:30,719
that was probably the best way we've

2868
02:15:30,719 --> 02:15:32,400
ever done.

2869
02:15:32,400 --> 02:15:43,109
respons

2870
02:15:43,119 --> 02:15:45,440
where they're coming in from either via

2871
02:15:45,440 --> 02:15:47,760
zip code or

2872
02:15:47,760 --> 02:15:49,280
I don't know what the best way is for

2873
02:15:49,280 --> 02:15:51,280
that

2874
02:15:51,280 --> 02:15:54,159
city or county or zip code or what but

2875
02:15:54,159 --> 02:15:56,480
it would be nice to

2876
02:15:56,480 --> 02:15:59,360
know whose thoughts or opinions we're

2877
02:15:59,360 --> 02:16:01,440
looking at if they're just a visitor

2878
02:16:01,440 --> 02:16:04,800
coming into Spring Hill, they could be

2879
02:16:04,800 --> 02:16:06,079
out of state and have a totally

2880
02:16:06,079 --> 02:16:07,760
different perception of what they see

2881
02:16:07,760 --> 02:16:09,280
when they come into the community. So,

2882
02:16:09,280 --> 02:16:11,280
it just would be interesting. Yeah, that

2883
02:16:11,280 --> 02:16:12,880
is one of the critical points that

2884
02:16:12,880 --> 02:16:15,840
they're working to build into that that

2885
02:16:15,840 --> 02:16:17,920
website and or feedback and the QR code

2886
02:16:17,920 --> 02:16:20,560
is is trying to capture who's and where

2887
02:16:20,560 --> 02:16:21,920
people are coming from that are giving

2888
02:16:21,920 --> 02:16:25,440
us this feedback because you know we the

2889
02:16:25,440 --> 02:16:27,360
vision of the community for not just

2890
02:16:27,360 --> 02:16:29,280
residents and businesses but also

2891
02:16:29,280 --> 02:16:32,639
visitors and is there a potential market

2892
02:16:32,639 --> 02:16:35,280
for tourism down here and and why why

2893
02:16:35,280 --> 02:16:38,639
are people visiting Spring Hill? And so

2894
02:16:38,639 --> 02:16:40,399
we're also going to be doing a a

2895
02:16:40,399 --> 02:16:43,120
contract with a software firm called

2896
02:16:43,120 --> 02:16:45,120
Placer.ai.

2897
02:16:45,120 --> 02:16:49,359
And it's a essentially

2898
02:16:49,359 --> 02:16:52,080
data gathering point information and

2899
02:16:52,080 --> 02:16:53,920
location tracking. So, anybody that has

2900
02:16:53,920 --> 02:16:55,679
their location on their phone or their

2901
02:16:55,679 --> 02:16:58,559
credit cards and basically all of that

2902
02:16:58,559 --> 02:17:00,880
data that that people are giving away

2903
02:17:00,880 --> 02:17:03,519
freely um

2904
02:17:03,519 --> 02:17:06,960
to really track where those people are

2905
02:17:06,960 --> 02:17:08,800
stopping, what they're visiting, so we

2906
02:17:08,800 --> 02:17:12,559
can uh for example look at, you know, on

2907
02:17:12,559 --> 02:17:15,679
our first or yeah, first Fridays, first

2908
02:17:15,679 --> 02:17:18,479
Friday's events, we can see who is

2909
02:17:18,479 --> 02:17:20,080
visiting, how many people, what are the

2910
02:17:20,080 --> 02:17:22,960
peak hours, where they came from and not

2911
02:17:22,960 --> 02:17:24,559
only that, what they did before they

2912
02:17:24,559 --> 02:17:26,719
came here and then what they did after.

2913
02:17:26,719 --> 02:17:29,920
And so that is a a good tool for us as

2914
02:17:29,920 --> 02:17:31,920
we look to those events, but we can also

2915
02:17:31,920 --> 02:17:34,719
do it to all the businesses in town. Um,

2916
02:17:34,719 --> 02:17:37,359
and it it's a it's a great tool for us

2917
02:17:37,359 --> 02:17:40,399
to see traffic pattern movements, where

2918
02:17:40,399 --> 02:17:41,920
people are going when they leave Spring

2919
02:17:41,920 --> 02:17:43,439
Hill in the morning, what they're doing

2920
02:17:43,439 --> 02:17:46,639
on their way home, what um it's a little

2921
02:17:46,639 --> 02:17:48,800
scary how good the information can be,

2922
02:17:48,800 --> 02:17:52,240
but it really helps us understand

2923
02:17:52,240 --> 02:17:54,160
um that that data helps us understand

2924
02:17:54,160 --> 02:17:56,960
the the true dynamics of of what what is

2925
02:17:56,960 --> 02:17:58,160
happening and who's coming here.

2926
02:17:58,160 --> 02:18:00,080
>> I totally understand that we did that

2927
02:18:00,080 --> 02:18:02,559
just last week with Johnson County Fair.

2928
02:18:02,559 --> 02:18:05,679
We didn't use Placer but we did do that

2929
02:18:05,679 --> 02:18:08,080
and the city of Gardener also had one in

2930
02:18:08,080 --> 02:18:11,439
place. I'm not sure what they

2931
02:18:11,439 --> 02:18:13,040
totally understand and it was very

2932
02:18:13,040 --> 02:18:15,280
beneficial to be able to go before

2933
02:18:15,280 --> 02:18:17,599
county commissioners and say this is

2934
02:18:17,599 --> 02:18:18,479
what we have.

2935
02:18:18,479 --> 02:18:20,080
>> Y

2936
02:18:20,080 --> 02:18:21,359
>> appreciate that.

2937
02:18:21,359 --> 02:18:25,190
Okay.

2938
02:18:25,200 --> 02:18:27,280
» And so just another report. I know

2939
02:18:27,280 --> 02:18:29,439
Spencer's got something, but um at the

2940
02:18:29,439 --> 02:18:33,200
last couple of um items related to main

2941
02:18:33,200 --> 02:18:34,960
development at the city council, there

2942
02:18:34,960 --> 02:18:38,639
were none at June 11th. Uh on the 25th,

2943
02:18:38,639 --> 02:18:40,160
the approval of the conditional use

2944
02:18:40,160 --> 02:18:42,160
permit was site plan for the Spring Hill

2945
02:18:42,160 --> 02:18:44,800
High School continuing education and

2946
02:18:44,800 --> 02:18:51,110
commonaries edition. And that was it.

2947
02:18:51,120 --> 02:18:52,399
Turn it over to Spencer.

2948
02:18:52,399 --> 02:18:53,599
>> Thank you, Spencer.

2949
02:18:53,599 --> 02:18:55,920
>> Thankly. Briefly for you all, next month

2950
02:18:55,920 --> 02:18:57,599
we will be bringing you a proposed

2951
02:18:57,599 --> 02:19:01,359
change to the zoning code as it relates

2952
02:19:01,359 --> 02:19:04,319
to the planning commission. Um, one of

2953
02:19:04,319 --> 02:19:07,040
those changes will be to take the code

2954
02:19:07,040 --> 02:19:09,920
language that enables and governs you

2955
02:19:09,920 --> 02:19:11,359
all and move it out of the zoning code

2956
02:19:11,359 --> 02:19:12,880
and put it into chapter one with the

2957
02:19:12,880 --> 02:19:14,719
rest of the boards and commissions so

2958
02:19:14,719 --> 02:19:17,040
everything is in one place. Uh the other

2959
02:19:17,040 --> 02:19:19,679
changes that have been requested by

2960
02:19:19,679 --> 02:19:22,080
staff and governing body um and again

2961
02:19:22,080 --> 02:19:24,160
this will be a public hearing for you

2962
02:19:24,160 --> 02:19:25,519
all to recommend just like any other

2963
02:19:25,519 --> 02:19:27,599
zoning code change. One of the reasons

2964
02:19:27,599 --> 02:19:29,120
we're moving it is that's a lot of work

2965
02:19:29,120 --> 02:19:31,599
for what hopefully in the future is just

2966
02:19:31,599 --> 02:19:33,359
kind of housekeeping items. One of them

2967
02:19:33,359 --> 02:19:34,639
will be combining the planning

2968
02:19:34,639 --> 02:19:36,160
commission with the BZA. That is

2969
02:19:36,160 --> 02:19:37,920
something that a lot of cities in Kansas

2970
02:19:37,920 --> 02:19:41,439
do. Um, we're having one BCA hearing

2971
02:19:41,439 --> 02:19:43,679
about every two to three years, which is

2972
02:19:43,679 --> 02:19:45,519
just enough time for members to roll off

2973
02:19:45,519 --> 02:19:47,599
their appointment. And then we Amy is

2974
02:19:47,599 --> 02:19:50,479
scrambling. Um, so by combining that,

2975
02:19:50,479 --> 02:19:51,600
what would happen is every few years

2976
02:19:51,600 --> 02:19:53,439
when there's a BZA hearing, that would

2977
02:19:53,439 --> 02:19:54,720
just be the same night as a planning

2978
02:19:54,720 --> 02:19:56,960
commission. Um, you would open that

2979
02:19:56,960 --> 02:19:59,359
meeting at 7, run through that in, you

2980
02:19:59,359 --> 02:20:01,200
know, a short period of time, and then

2981
02:20:01,200 --> 02:20:02,880
commence the planning commission meeting

2982
02:20:02,880 --> 02:20:04,720
right after that. So, it's a way to

2983
02:20:04,720 --> 02:20:06,960
streamline and make sure that when

2984
02:20:06,960 --> 02:20:08,960
people file those requests for a BZA

2985
02:20:08,960 --> 02:20:10,399
hearing, we can get that done a little

2986
02:20:10,399 --> 02:20:12,080
quicker rather than running around and

2987
02:20:12,080 --> 02:20:13,439
trying to ask you all who wants to be

2988
02:20:13,439 --> 02:20:14,880
appointed for this one and and play

2989
02:20:14,880 --> 02:20:17,680
musical chairs there. The last um item

2990
02:20:17,680 --> 02:20:19,040
that will be up for consideration in

2991
02:20:19,040 --> 02:20:21,600
that change uh will be changing the

2992
02:20:21,600 --> 02:20:24,240
language of membership. Right now, it is

2993
02:20:24,240 --> 02:20:26,880
two members live must live in the

2994
02:20:26,880 --> 02:20:28,960
county, one Johnson, one Miami. And

2995
02:20:28,960 --> 02:20:30,319
historically, we've had some problems

2996
02:20:30,319 --> 02:20:32,080
filling both of those seats. one of them

2997
02:20:32,080 --> 02:20:34,960
has been open for a while now. Um, so

2998
02:20:34,960 --> 02:20:36,560
the request has been to consider

2999
02:20:36,560 --> 02:20:39,600
changing that to up to two members can

3000
02:20:39,600 --> 02:20:42,000
be non- city residents, which would be

3001
02:20:42,000 --> 02:20:44,240
in the county. Um, which allows us to

3002
02:20:44,240 --> 02:20:46,319
still have two county residents on this

3003
02:20:46,319 --> 02:20:48,640
commission. Uh, but if we can't get two

3004
02:20:48,640 --> 02:20:50,640
county residents, it allows us to fill

3005
02:20:50,640 --> 02:20:52,160
it with a city resident to make sure

3006
02:20:52,160 --> 02:20:54,319
that we can have a full commission,

3007
02:20:54,319 --> 02:20:56,319
which is what we want. Uh, not struggle

3008
02:20:56,319 --> 02:20:58,640
with quorum and allows flexibility too

3009
02:20:58,640 --> 02:21:02,080
as the city grows. Um, as maybe some

3010
02:21:02,080 --> 02:21:04,800
unincorporated parts of each counties

3011
02:21:04,800 --> 02:21:07,120
start disappearing or ending up in one

3012
02:21:07,120 --> 02:21:09,040
city or another um that we're not kind

3013
02:21:09,040 --> 02:21:10,640
of boxing ourselves into a corner there.

3014
02:21:10,640 --> 02:21:12,720
So again, nothing before you tonight to

3015
02:21:12,720 --> 02:21:14,240
consider, nothing that you guys really

3016
02:21:14,240 --> 02:21:15,680
even need to talk about tonight. We just

3017
02:21:15,680 --> 02:21:17,600
wanted to put that before you as food

3018
02:21:17,600 --> 02:21:20,240
for thought and then a month from now um

3019
02:21:20,240 --> 02:21:21,760
we'll have a public hearing and you guys

3020
02:21:21,760 --> 02:21:23,760
can have had a month to think it over

3021
02:21:23,760 --> 02:21:24,800
and and come forward with your

3022
02:21:24,800 --> 02:21:27,520
recommendations for the governing body.

3023
02:21:27,520 --> 02:21:29,359
Um, other than that, for anyone who

3024
02:21:29,359 --> 02:21:30,640
hasn't been paying attention, the city

3025
02:21:30,640 --> 02:21:32,960
has appointed uh my replacement, which

3026
02:21:32,960 --> 02:21:35,120
will be Misty Brown. Um, she is probably

3027
02:21:35,120 --> 02:21:37,600
going to be starting in

3028
02:21:37,600 --> 02:21:39,920
late Septemberish. So, this isn't my

3029
02:21:39,920 --> 02:21:41,920
last meeting, but we're getting close to

3030
02:21:41,920 --> 02:21:44,000
that with you all. Um, and you will be

3031
02:21:44,000 --> 02:21:46,000
in excellent hands with her. So, just

3032
02:21:46,000 --> 02:21:47,200
wanted to make sure you guys are are

3033
02:21:47,200 --> 02:21:49,680
aware that um you're almost done putting

3034
02:21:49,680 --> 02:21:51,359
up with me. And most people get pretty

3035
02:21:51,359 --> 02:21:53,520
excited by that. So,

3036
02:21:53,520 --> 02:21:54,640
>> I wouldn't say that

3037
02:21:54,640 --> 02:21:57,600
>> verbiage would be for either Johnson or

3038
02:21:57,600 --> 02:21:59,439
Yes. So it would just be up to two

3039
02:21:59,439 --> 02:22:01,760
members that live in the county, an

3040
02:22:01,760 --> 02:22:04,560
unincorporated county. So non city

3041
02:22:04,560 --> 02:22:06,560
residents, but they also can't be ana

3042
02:22:06,560 --> 02:22:08,240
overland parker resident, but either

3043
02:22:08,240 --> 02:22:09,680
county. So it could be Johnson County or

3044
02:22:09,680 --> 02:22:11,520
Miami County. It'll probably still be

3045
02:22:11,520 --> 02:22:14,319
within three miles of the city.

3046
02:22:14,319 --> 02:22:17,200
>> Yeah. So that's a holdover. Um the state

3047
02:22:17,200 --> 02:22:18,880
statutes historically have allowed

3048
02:22:18,880 --> 02:22:21,840
cities to do extrajudicial zoning. So

3049
02:22:21,840 --> 02:22:23,439
you could have zoning requirements on

3050
02:22:23,439 --> 02:22:25,200
unincorporated areas of the city up to

3051
02:22:25,200 --> 02:22:27,359
three miles out as long as you had

3052
02:22:27,359 --> 02:22:28,720
county residents on your planning

3053
02:22:28,720 --> 02:22:30,640
commission. The city has not been

3054
02:22:30,640 --> 02:22:32,720
interested in imposing zoning

3055
02:22:32,720 --> 02:22:34,800
regulations on the county for a long

3056
02:22:34,800 --> 02:22:37,520
time. Um so this is just a holdover of

3057
02:22:37,520 --> 02:22:39,760
that ability in the past which no one is

3058
02:22:39,760 --> 02:22:41,439
really interested in doing. So we're

3059
02:22:41,439 --> 02:22:43,840
starting to dial that back um and you

3060
02:22:43,840 --> 02:22:46,080
know rethink whether we really need to

3061
02:22:46,080 --> 02:22:48,960
be having that possibility available. We

3062
02:22:48,960 --> 02:22:50,479
used to have it on the Miami County

3063
02:22:50,479 --> 02:22:52,240
site, but that was it. And that's been

3064
02:22:52,240 --> 02:22:55,830
several years

3065
02:22:55,840 --> 02:22:57,040
that we brought in that extra

3066
02:22:57,040 --> 02:23:03,030
territorial was a business that we were.

3067
02:23:03,040 --> 02:23:04,399
» Yeah.

3068
02:23:04,399 --> 02:23:05,600
>> Spencer, that's interesting because I

3069
02:23:05,600 --> 02:23:07,840
always thought it was just a an

3070
02:23:07,840 --> 02:23:09,600
acknowledgement of the fact that it's a

3071
02:23:09,600 --> 02:23:12,000
growing city and with our fringe areas

3072
02:23:12,000 --> 02:23:13,920
are unincorporated and all of those

3073
02:23:13,920 --> 02:23:16,319
every obviously every annexation is an

3074
02:23:16,319 --> 02:23:17,760
unincorporated area. So, I always

3075
02:23:17,760 --> 02:23:23,840
thought that the county residents were a a hattip or a nod or showing, you

3076
02:23:23,840 --> 02:23:25,200
know, making sure there's there's some

3077
02:23:25,200 --> 02:23:27,520
representation of the people who are in

3078
02:23:27,520 --> 02:23:29,040
the path of growth.

3079
02:23:29,040 --> 02:23:30,800
>> Honestly, it's probably the opposite

3080
02:23:30,800 --> 02:23:32,800
that came in before the city was a very

3081
02:23:32,800 --> 02:23:34,240
quick growing city. Mhm.

3082
02:23:34,240 --> 02:23:37,359
>> Um so while it works that way now and

3083
02:23:37,359 --> 02:23:38,880
that's why it's the two county seats

3084
02:23:38,880 --> 02:23:40,960
aren't just being wholesale removed. Um

3085
02:23:40,960 --> 02:23:42,800
we did just want to maybe propose some

3086
02:23:42,800 --> 02:23:45,359
flexibility uh in that membership rather

3087
02:23:45,359 --> 02:23:47,200
than splitting up one for each county.

3088
02:23:47,200 --> 02:23:47,840
>> Yeah.

3089
02:23:47,840 --> 02:23:50,479
>> Will there be Thanks.

3090
02:23:50,479 --> 02:23:52,240
>> Yeah. This isn't targeted at you. I just

3091
02:23:52,240 --> 02:23:54,399
want to make that very clear.

3092
02:23:54,399 --> 02:23:56,720
>> How'd you know it's going? Um but it

3093
02:23:56,720 --> 02:23:58,080
sounds like there won't be a requirement

3094
02:23:58,080 --> 02:23:59,600
though. There'll be the option of having

3095
02:23:59,600 --> 02:24:01,280
a county up to two county

3096
02:24:01,280 --> 02:24:02,399
representatives but there's no

3097
02:24:02,399 --> 02:24:05,760
requirement. Correct.

3098
02:24:05,760 --> 02:24:09,280
>> Okay. Any other announcements?

3099
02:24:09,280 --> 02:24:10,720
>> Nope.

3100
02:24:10,720 --> 02:24:12,800
>> Okay.

3101
02:24:12,800 --> 02:24:15,280
Rhonda, anything in addition?

3102
02:24:15,280 --> 02:24:17,439
>> I'm going to have a fun one. I just want

3103
02:24:17,439 --> 02:24:19,760
to remind everybody that tomorrow is the

3104
02:24:19,760 --> 02:24:22,640
final first Friday of the summer. I've

3105
02:24:22,640 --> 02:24:25,280
seen several of you at First Fridays and

3106
02:24:25,280 --> 02:24:26,640
um it's going to be a fun one. It's the

3107
02:24:26,640 --> 02:24:29,120
back to school night, so I think it'll

3108
02:24:29,120 --> 02:24:31,200
be full of kids and fun. There's a dunk

3109
02:24:31,200 --> 02:24:34,240
tank. I may have heard a mayor is in

3110
02:24:34,240 --> 02:24:35,600
that.

3111
02:24:35,600 --> 02:24:40,160
>> So, you may want to go down there and you know, take out your aggressions

3112
02:24:40,160 --> 02:24:42,080
or whatever you have. But anyway, and we

3113
02:24:42,080 --> 02:24:43,439
have food trucks and stuff. And it's

3114
02:24:43,439 --> 02:24:45,439
just really a great community night. A

3115
02:24:45,439 --> 02:24:47,439
lot of smiling, happy people and

3116
02:24:47,439 --> 02:24:48,880
neighbors talking to neighbors. So, if

3117
02:24:48,880 --> 02:24:50,720
you get a chance, um, please come out

3118
02:24:50,720 --> 02:24:54,240
5:30 to 8:30 downtown tomorrow night.

3119
02:24:54,240 --> 02:25:01,765
>> Thank you.

3120
02:25:01,775 --> 02:25:02,240
» [laughter]

3121
02:25:02,240 --> 02:25:06,399
>> That's $40. I'll need to bring

3122
02:25:06,399 --> 02:25:25,030
>> All right, Allison, tell us about the K7

3123
02:25:25,040 --> 02:25:29,670
» Street.

3124
02:25:29,680 --> 02:25:32,000
Is that better? Okay, I'll start over

3125
02:25:32,000 --> 02:25:34,080
for those following along at home. So,

3126
02:25:34,080 --> 02:25:36,319
uh, KAT is working on the K7 corridor

3127
02:25:36,319 --> 02:25:39,840
study. It starts at I35 to the north and

3128
02:25:39,840 --> 02:25:42,640
goes through and Spring Hill down to the

3129
02:25:42,640 --> 02:25:44,080
Johnson County line. And this is a

3130
02:25:44,080 --> 02:25:45,840
partnership with the city of THA, city

3131
02:25:45,840 --> 02:25:48,319
of Spring Hill, Johnson County, and

3132
02:25:48,319 --> 02:25:53,120
Katy. Um, the team uh is has uh done

3133
02:25:53,120 --> 02:25:54,560
some public engagement. They've done

3134
02:25:54,560 --> 02:25:57,359
some stakeholder events. Uh we've had

3135
02:25:57,359 --> 02:25:59,680
one open house here at city hall that

3136
02:25:59,680 --> 02:26:02,960
was back say Septemberish. Um and then

3137
02:26:02,960 --> 02:26:04,880
they are going to host another open

3138
02:26:04,880 --> 02:26:08,000
house uh in tha. They want to work a

3139
02:26:08,000 --> 02:26:09,439
little bit further along on some of

3140
02:26:09,439 --> 02:26:11,680
their recommendations. Um they're to the

3141
02:26:11,680 --> 02:26:13,760
point where they're starting to draw

3142
02:26:13,760 --> 02:26:15,439
pretty pictures of each of the

3143
02:26:15,439 --> 02:26:17,840
intersections along the corridor to come

3144
02:26:17,840 --> 02:26:21,200
up with the ultimate plan. So whether it

3145
02:26:21,200 --> 02:26:24,640
is signalized intersections or um

3146
02:26:24,640 --> 02:26:28,240
overpasses or you know an actual

3147
02:26:28,240 --> 02:26:29,920
interchange or something along those

3148
02:26:29,920 --> 02:26:33,280
lines. So uh if money were no object and

3149
02:26:33,280 --> 02:26:35,920
you know money is an object uh what

3150
02:26:35,920 --> 02:26:37,920
would that design be? So um hopefully

3151
02:26:37,920 --> 02:26:39,200
I'll have more information for you

3152
02:26:39,200 --> 02:26:42,080
moving forward but um that's what

3153
02:26:42,080 --> 02:26:44,240
they're working on right now. Uh I

3154
02:26:44,240 --> 02:26:46,560
believe there will be opportunity for um

3155
02:26:46,560 --> 02:26:48,080
another touch point with some public

3156
02:26:48,080 --> 02:26:50,880
engagement whenever they um ho host that

3157
02:26:50,880 --> 02:26:53,040
openhouse. So they'll have um community

3158
02:26:53,040 --> 02:26:56,800
reaction to some of the um the concepts

3159
02:26:56,800 --> 02:26:59,120
that they have that they've uh drawn

3160
02:26:59,120 --> 02:26:59,920
out.

3161
02:26:59,920 --> 02:27:01,520
>> And I've heard you say the next one will

3162
02:27:01,520 --> 02:27:04,160
be organized in tha or by

3163
02:27:04,160 --> 02:27:07,040
>> it'll be in tha and I forget exactly

3164
02:27:07,040 --> 02:27:09,120
they said where it was but I can't

3165
02:27:09,120 --> 02:27:11,359
remember. But we're going to push that

3166
02:27:11,359 --> 02:27:13,600
information out through our social media

3167
02:27:13,600 --> 02:27:15,280
because I encourage anybody here in

3168
02:27:15,280 --> 02:27:16,399
Spring Hill that didn't get the

3169
02:27:16,399 --> 02:27:18,640
opportunity to go to the open house that

3170
02:27:18,640 --> 02:27:21,040
we had just across the hall. Um please

3171
02:27:21,040 --> 02:27:24,399
go to the one and only um the the team

3172
02:27:24,399 --> 02:27:26,240
will be there. KOT will be there. You'll

3173
02:27:26,240 --> 02:27:29,120
have uh an opportunity to talk to the

3174
02:27:29,120 --> 02:27:31,840
who's who with the KOT staff so you can

3175
02:27:31,840 --> 02:27:33,359
tell them about all your concerns

3176
02:27:33,359 --> 02:27:36,720
related to 169 and K7.

3177
02:27:36,720 --> 02:27:39,280
>> Terrific. So, I don't know if I have any

3178
02:27:39,280 --> 02:27:40,720
other things. I pretty much gave you all

3179
02:27:40,720 --> 02:27:43,840
my updates from before. U I I will go

3180
02:27:43,840 --> 02:27:46,080
ahead and say it. Um just for public

3181
02:27:46,080 --> 02:27:47,680
consumption, I'll mention it next week,

3182
02:27:47,680 --> 02:27:50,640
too. 199th Street, we are going to be

3183
02:27:50,640 --> 02:27:53,520
closing a portion of that starting next

3184
02:27:53,520 --> 02:27:57,280
week. Um it will be daytime closure only

3185
02:27:57,280 --> 02:28:00,720
uh from 8:00 am to 5:00 pm and it's

3186
02:28:00,720 --> 02:28:02,399
going to be that section from the

3187
02:28:02,399 --> 02:28:06,399
entrance to Prairie Ridge to Rener. Um

3188
02:28:06,399 --> 02:28:09,120
there will be detour signs and such. Uh

3189
02:28:09,120 --> 02:28:11,439
but they will open that up every night.

3190
02:28:11,439 --> 02:28:12,880
The reason we have to do this is we've

3191
02:28:12,880 --> 02:28:14,399
got some crossroad pipes that we need to

3192
02:28:14,399 --> 02:28:16,640
put in and the safest and quickest way

3193
02:28:16,640 --> 02:28:18,560
to get it done is just to do a full

3194
02:28:18,560 --> 02:28:21,040
closure. Uh we do want to get this done

3195
02:28:21,040 --> 02:28:23,040
ahead of school starting on the 17th. So

3196
02:28:23,040 --> 02:28:25,520
that's why we're scrambling to try to

3197
02:28:25,520 --> 02:28:27,680
get this done and not prolong this

3198
02:28:27,680 --> 02:28:29,520
because we want to make sure that it's

3199
02:28:29,520 --> 02:28:32,240
open to traffic. if it does need to be

3200
02:28:32,240 --> 02:28:34,720
prolonged into the week of the 17th. I

3201
02:28:34,720 --> 02:28:37,520
have asked them to modify their hours to

3202
02:28:37,520 --> 02:28:40,240
after school starts and to be done by

3203
02:28:40,240 --> 02:28:41,760
the time school opens. They've told me

3204
02:28:41,760 --> 02:28:44,080
that if it does

3205
02:28:44,080 --> 02:28:45,680
need to be closed, then they could look

3206
02:28:45,680 --> 02:28:47,200
at doing flaggers or something along

3207
02:28:47,200 --> 02:28:49,840
those lines if they need anything else.

3208
02:28:49,840 --> 02:28:51,520
So,

3209
02:28:51,520 --> 02:28:56,790
anything else for me?

3210
02:28:56,800 --> 02:28:59,680
» Oh, yes, I do. So

3211
02:28:59,680 --> 02:29:02,000
yeah, a lot going on here. So as we

3212
02:29:02,000 --> 02:29:03,200
talked about before, we have our

3213
02:29:03,200 --> 02:29:04,800
wastewater treatment facility that we're

3214
02:29:04,800 --> 02:29:06,160
trying to build within the next three

3215
02:29:06,160 --> 02:29:07,439
years so that we don't run out of

3216
02:29:07,439 --> 02:29:09,920
capacity and all that good stuff. We are

3217
02:29:09,920 --> 02:29:12,240
going to have a presentation next week.

3218
02:29:12,240 --> 02:29:14,160
Uh we will have a public hearing here in

3219
02:29:14,160 --> 02:29:18,160
this room next Thursday, the 13th at 700

3220
02:29:18,160 --> 02:29:19,760
p.m. Uh we will have a short

3221
02:29:19,760 --> 02:29:21,680
presentation about like all the great

3222
02:29:21,680 --> 02:29:22,720
things that we're going to be doing with

3223
02:29:22,720 --> 02:29:25,120
the plant. So, if you guys want more

3224
02:29:25,120 --> 02:29:27,120
information about the style, the type,

3225
02:29:27,120 --> 02:29:29,840
the size, all the great things, uh few

3226
02:29:29,840 --> 02:29:31,359
maybe a couple of pretty pictures, who

3227
02:29:31,359 --> 02:29:33,520
know? Or just maybe pictures, they won't

3228
02:29:33,520 --> 02:29:36,720
be pretty, but uh come and join us, get

3229
02:29:36,720 --> 02:29:39,680
some additional information. Uh we'll

3230
02:29:39,680 --> 02:29:41,520
share that with the community. This is a

3231
02:29:41,520 --> 02:29:43,600
requirement for us. We are going to be

3232
02:29:43,600 --> 02:29:46,479
um getting loan from state and federal

3233
02:29:46,479 --> 02:29:48,560
sources so that we can help pay for

3234
02:29:48,560 --> 02:29:51,439
this. Um I am seeking grants too, but

3235
02:29:51,439 --> 02:29:53,760
that's a whole other discussion. But um

3236
02:29:53,760 --> 02:29:55,840
anyway, we'll be in here. You'll have an

3237
02:29:55,840 --> 02:29:58,479
opportunity to speak um after the

3238
02:29:58,479 --> 02:30:02,000
presentation. And then um the other we

3239
02:30:02,000 --> 02:30:05,359
do have another um item on the agenda

3240
02:30:05,359 --> 02:30:07,280
next week that is noteworthy for the

3241
02:30:07,280 --> 02:30:10,560
public. We are u a municipal separate

3242
02:30:10,560 --> 02:30:13,760
storm sewer system. Uh MS4 for short.

3243
02:30:13,760 --> 02:30:16,319
It's our storm water permit. So we are a

3244
02:30:16,319 --> 02:30:18,800
baby MS4 which means we're on year zero

3245
02:30:18,800 --> 02:30:21,280
right now. With that we had to create a

3246
02:30:21,280 --> 02:30:23,760
storm water management plan. Uh we will

3247
02:30:23,760 --> 02:30:26,560
be presenting that uh next Thursday the

3248
02:30:26,560 --> 02:30:29,359
13th uh in conjunction with the meeting.

3249
02:30:29,359 --> 02:30:31,680
We will have an opportunity for public

3250
02:30:31,680 --> 02:30:33,920
comments at the conclusion of our

3251
02:30:33,920 --> 02:30:35,680
presentation. If you have any questions

3252
02:30:35,680 --> 02:30:37,200
about how we're going to manage our

3253
02:30:37,200 --> 02:30:39,520
storm water, how we're going to educate

3254
02:30:39,520 --> 02:30:41,439
the community and get them involved with

3255
02:30:41,439 --> 02:30:43,520
some of the storm water concerns. Uh

3256
02:30:43,520 --> 02:30:45,840
these are requirements that uh come down

3257
02:30:45,840 --> 02:30:49,120
from ultimately EPA, but it's um Kansas

3258
02:30:49,120 --> 02:30:50,560
Department of Health and Environment

3259
02:30:50,560 --> 02:30:53,520
that um requires us to have National

3260
02:30:53,520 --> 02:30:55,280
Pollutant Discharge and Elimination

3261
02:30:55,280 --> 02:30:58,960
System permit or an MS4 permit. Um so

3262
02:30:58,960 --> 02:31:00,960
that it, you know, outlines all the

3263
02:31:00,960 --> 02:31:02,399
great things that we're going to do as

3264
02:31:02,399 --> 02:31:03,920
far as good housekeeping, street

3265
02:31:03,920 --> 02:31:07,040
sweeping, and all the things to keep our

3266
02:31:07,040 --> 02:31:09,359
streams clean.

3267
02:31:09,359 --> 02:31:14,150
So, a lot going on next Thursday.

3268
02:31:14,160 --> 02:31:15,600
And that meeting is here.

3269
02:31:15,600 --> 02:31:17,120
>> The meeting will be here. It'll be city

3270
02:31:17,120 --> 02:31:19,120
council. We'll be presenting it all

3271
02:31:19,120 --> 02:31:20,560
during the city council meeting next

3272
02:31:20,560 --> 02:31:22,160
week.

3273
02:31:22,160 --> 02:31:22,880
>> Great.

3274
02:31:22,880 --> 02:31:25,359
>> Okay.

3275
02:31:25,359 --> 02:31:29,280
>> Anything else? No. All right. Thank you.

3276
02:31:29,280 --> 02:31:30,319
>> All right. Are there any other

3277
02:31:30,319 --> 02:31:33,680
announcements and reports?

3278
02:31:33,680 --> 02:31:35,920
Okay. If not, I will entertain a motion

3279
02:31:35,920 --> 02:31:39,990
to the meeting.

3280
02:31:40,000 --> 02:31:42,240
» Second. All in favor?

3281
02:31:42,240 --> 02:31:45,439
>> I opposed. All right, meeting is

3282
02:31:45,439 --> 02:31:49,600
adjourned. Thanks everyone.

3283
02:31:49,600 --> 02:31:54,550
>> Congratulations on your spots.

3284
02:31:54,560 --> 02:31:56,800
Incredible.