1 00:11:53,900 --> 00:11:59,580 At this time, I would like to welcome Pastor Day with the first Baptist Church to come forward. 2 00:12:00,100 --> 00:12:04,440 Everybody, please stand for the prayer followed by the Pledge and of Allegiance, please. 3 00:12:07,470 --> 00:12:14,290 Almighty God, we go before you today, and we thank you for the opportunity to give thanks to those who serve and lead us. 4 00:12:14,390 --> 00:12:23,250 We pray, God, also, for your blessing upon them. We thank you for each of our city council leaders and as well as our many several servants that just help provide for us as a community. 5 00:12:23,250 --> 00:12:33,370 We pray that you would watch over them, protect them, and guide them that you would direct their every step in decision that they would do what is best for us as a community and also an honoring of you. 6 00:12:33,950 --> 00:12:37,410 We thank you for their service and faithfulness and Jesus' name we pray. Amen. 7 00:13:05,060 --> 00:13:06,160 Please call the roll. 8 00:13:25,070 --> 00:13:25,710 So, if 9 00:13:31,470 --> 00:13:45,710 there's no objections, the minutes of the special meeting held July 13th, 26 at 4 o'clock and minutes of the regular meeting held July 2026 at 5 o'clock will be approved. 10 00:13:45,710 --> 00:13:46,790 Seeing 11 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,440 there's no objections, the minutes are approved. 12 00:13:55,250 --> 00:13:58,210 There is a motion to accept agenda as published. 13 00:13:58,570 --> 00:13:59,050 So moved. 14 00:13:59,210 --> 00:13:59,410 Second. 15 00:14:02,420 --> 00:14:06,920 Councilmember Davis made the motion seconded by Councilmember Esslinger to accept the agenda as published. 16 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:08,460 Is there any discussion on the motion? 17 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,320 Councilman, please cash your vote at this time. 18 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:34,880 Eight eyes, the motion carries. 19 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:45,260 Now is the time to finalize the consensus agenda that R.A. 20 00:14:45,420 --> 00:14:46,680 items to be removed. 21 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:47,540 Yes. 22 00:15:11,630 --> 00:15:13,510 Please read items remaining. 23 00:15:17,910 --> 00:15:44,850 Number six, council member Randy Schultz nominates, David Mason, 1324 North 25th Street to serve as a member of the tree board for a term expiring August 3rd, 2029. He is replacing Shelley White, whose term has expired. Number seven, council member Randy Schultz nominates, trade forward, 20802 North 39th Terrace to serve as a member of the tree board for a term expiring August 3rd, 2029. He's replacing Betty Latosi Suwen, whose term has expired. 24 00:15:44,850 --> 00:15:51,770 Number 8, Council Member Randy Schultz nominates Alicia Carrillo, 1604 L. 25 00:15:51,830 --> 00:15:55,670 Wood Street to serve as a member of the tree board for a term expiring August 3rd, 2029. 26 00:15:56,210 --> 00:15:59,170 She is replacing Ryan Hildebrand, whose term has expired. 27 00:16:00,430 --> 00:16:12,070 Number 9, Council Member Colin Cliven nominates Dominic Debrinkett, 30706 South 31st Street to serve as a member of the Lee and Mark Commission for a term expiring June 25th, 2027. 28 00:16:12,070 --> 00:16:13,750 He is filling a vacancy on the board. 29 00:16:13,750 --> 00:16:25,540 Number 11, an ordinance to issue a conditional use permit for the property located at 1727 Clifford Street for use as a tola as requested by Katie Graham of Null Trucking. 30 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:40,520 Number 12, an ordinance to issue a conditional use permit for the property located at 1700 Frederick Avenue for use as an auto sales business as requested by Leslie Wheeler of Cornelius Auto Sales LLC. 31 00:16:42,060 --> 00:16:59,120 13, an ordinance authorizing the execution of change order number one and an amendment to the park's sales tax fund with mid-state school equipment code for the purchase and installation of new handrails for fill welch stadium in the amount of $49,737. 32 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:06,600 $14 a resolution authorizing acceptance of the Phase 5 electrical bid package for the domestic 33 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:11,260 blower project at the water protection facility with Garnie construction in the amount of 34 00:17:11,260 --> 00:17:14,380 $1,193,846. 35 00:17:16,100 --> 00:17:22,780 $15 a resolution authorizing the purchase of two disc flow model, 403-12 close coupled pumps 36 00:17:22,780 --> 00:17:29,260 from FTC equipment LLC for use by the water protection division in the amount of $78,160. 37 00:17:29,260 --> 00:17:29,580 $60. 38 00:17:31,380 --> 00:17:37,640 16 a resolution authorizing the execution of work order SNY 2601 with Snyder and Associates 39 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:37,900 Inc. 40 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:43,540 For the East Town Force main realignment to Candy Creek in the amount of $115,000. 41 00:17:48,380 --> 00:17:51,580 Is there a motion to accept agenda? 42 00:17:52,220 --> 00:17:52,660 So moved. 43 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:53,900 Second. 44 00:17:56,810 --> 00:18:00,170 Council member Moore made a motion and council member Wilkinson seconded the motion. 45 00:18:00,490 --> 00:18:02,970 Is there any discussion on the motion to accept the consent agenda? 46 00:18:09,750 --> 00:18:13,870 Council member, please cash your votes at this time. 47 00:18:24,290 --> 00:18:25,590 Ayes, the motion carries. 48 00:18:26,230 --> 00:18:27,990 We'll now go back and pick up number 10. 49 00:18:34,010 --> 00:18:37,590 An ordinance amending division four regulated substances of article six, 50 00:18:37,950 --> 00:18:40,530 offenses against public morals of chapter 20, 51 00:18:40,750 --> 00:18:43,650 offenses and miscellaneous provisions of the code of ordinances, 52 00:18:43,990 --> 00:18:49,890 for the city of St. Joseph by amending section 20-341 to make the distribution and 53 00:18:49,890 --> 00:19:04,730 and or possession of Cratum Unlawful and by enacting new sections 20-342 and 20-343 to make the distribution and or possession of 7-0 and type netting unlawful. 54 00:19:08,700 --> 00:19:12,020 We have multiple speaker cards for this item. 55 00:19:14,870 --> 00:19:16,230 Michael Bollmeyer, 56 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:26,740 please say your name and address for the clerk's record, limit your comments to five minutes and wait until you see the timer to begin speaking. 57 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:36,800 Michael Boehmeier, 201, Stockton Street, St. Joseph, Missouri, 6'4, 5'0, 1. 58 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:49,660 Seven years ago, I was able to get off of hard drugs and stay up of hard drugs in 59 00:19:49,660 --> 00:19:53,060 alcohol, with the help of natural leaf credom. 60 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:58,020 I have never experienced negative side effects from taking this plant in moderation, 61 00:19:58,020 --> 00:20:03,500 for pain relief and overall wellness in the seven years I have been taking it. 62 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:09,340 It has improved the quality of my life and has helped me becoming overall better human 63 00:20:09,340 --> 00:20:09,700 being. 64 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:16,220 I am kindly asking you to consider leaving natural leaf credom legal and strictly regulating 65 00:20:16,220 --> 00:20:17,840 it like alcohol and marijuana. 66 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:24,280 I am asking that the responsible citizens who consume natural leaf credom as a wellness supplement 67 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:25,180 not be punished. 68 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:26,680 Thank you for your time. 69 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:29,420 Thank you. 70 00:20:32,210 --> 00:20:34,630 I must be your card for Stephen Frizzle. 71 00:20:36,230 --> 00:20:38,510 Please state your name and address for the clerk's record. 72 00:20:38,670 --> 00:20:41,790 I'll make your comment to five minutes and wait until you see the timer to begin speaking. 73 00:20:42,750 --> 00:20:45,290 Stephen, for sale of 3015 Cambridge Street, 74 00:20:50,860 --> 00:20:56,340 I am a testifying an opposition to ordinance 185-26 because it bans natural leaf 75 00:20:56,340 --> 00:21:00,360 cradum outright and makes a criminal out of any consumer found with it. 76 00:21:00,900 --> 00:21:04,320 I should not be criminalized for trying to manage my own physical and mental health. 77 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:14,680 For about 16 years, I have been in and out of doctor's office looking for relief from anxiety, depression, sleep issues, and chronic pain about 10 years ago, I discovered cratum. 78 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:22,920 Back then, it was just plain natural powder, groundly used from the Mitrogena, Speciosa, Plant Nosynthetics, no modification. 79 00:21:23,340 --> 00:21:28,580 I researched the pros and cons myself and decided it could help, since then that's all I have ever used. 80 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,520 I have had blood work done every year, sometimes twice a year, the whole time. 81 00:21:34,020 --> 00:21:38,800 My liver and kidney functions show no degradation at all, and a doctor recently told me I have 82 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,260 some of the healthiest kidneys he's seen based off my blood work. 83 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:47,300 Ten years in, the only health issues I've developed are a vitamin D deficiency because I don't 84 00:21:47,300 --> 00:21:51,340 get outside enough and a peanut allergy, which element has been very frustrating. 85 00:21:52,260 --> 00:21:56,320 You may have heard that the DA recently announced its intent to schedule 7-0, 86 00:21:57,100 --> 00:22:00,700 pseudo and endoxyl, NGM-15, and NGM-16. 87 00:22:00,940 --> 00:22:03,680 These are synthetic and fully synthetic compounds. 88 00:22:04,360 --> 00:22:10,380 NGM-15, NGM-16, and pseudo and endoxyl don't even occur naturally in the plant. 89 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,220 They are fundamentally different from natural leaf creatin powder. 90 00:22:14,140 --> 00:22:17,000 The DA drew that line and exempted natural leaf. 91 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,080 I'm asking this council to draw the same line. 92 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:27,600 Again, I understand the concerns about product authenticity and about the real risk of 7-0 and TNF-10. 93 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:29,880 I share those concerns. 94 00:22:30,620 --> 00:22:38,520 But the answer is to abandon what's actually dangerous, the synthetics, not to sweep 95 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,060 in the natural leaf product that has done nothing but help me. 96 00:22:41,580 --> 00:22:45,540 Cratom lets me sleep, it lets me walk, move, and carry my kids without being in pain. 97 00:22:45,540 --> 00:22:50,340 It hasn't clouded my thinking and it hasn't damaged my body, whatever the claims say. 98 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:55,760 I respectfully ask you to amend this ordinance to exempt plain, an adulterated leave-cratum, 99 00:22:56,120 --> 00:23:00,560 while still banning 7-0, pseudo-indoxyl, NGM-15, and NGM-16. 100 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:05,700 And if you want exempted leave, I ask you at minimum to strike the possession language. 101 00:23:05,820 --> 00:23:09,180 I am not a criminal for waiting for wanting sleep and pain relief. 102 00:23:09,620 --> 00:23:10,060 Thank you. 103 00:23:12,300 --> 00:23:13,020 Thank you. 104 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,880 I'm a speaker card for Dr. Christine Zeemer. 105 00:23:19,260 --> 00:23:22,720 Please state your name and address for the clerk's record living your comments to five 106 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,860 minutes and wait until you see the timer to begin speaking. 107 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:32,160 So, Dr. Christine Zeemer, at 1302, do we have a new in St. Joseph? 108 00:23:32,940 --> 00:23:33,860 Good to see you all today. 109 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:40,860 I, a tenured professor at Missouri-Western State University, I've worked there for 14 years. 110 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:45,080 I'm also a homeowner in St. Joe and mother of two kids in the St. Joseph School District. 111 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,240 At Missouri Western, I teach a class on psychedelics. 112 00:23:48,340 --> 00:23:54,080 We spend lots of time diving into drug policy and having deep discussions about what works 113 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,840 and what doesn't work as far as public health and science. 114 00:23:57,660 --> 00:24:03,160 And we always come to the same conclusion, which is what I'm here to impart to you all today 115 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,980 that banning substances is dangerous, full stop. 116 00:24:07,860 --> 00:24:11,860 We saw with alcohol prohibition, what happened when we tried to ban alcohol? 117 00:24:12,260 --> 00:24:13,060 Did people stop drinking? 118 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:15,260 No, they did not, right? 119 00:24:15,380 --> 00:24:17,380 What happened was there was a lot more crime around it. 120 00:24:17,780 --> 00:24:19,820 Alcohol became stronger and more dangerous 121 00:24:19,820 --> 00:24:21,280 because it was totally unregulated. 122 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,260 We see that with pretty much any drug you can think of. 123 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,200 Banning does not stop use, but what it does do 124 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,000 is it makes the products more dangerous. 125 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,800 Because now they're unregulated, they're more dangerous 126 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,880 to find, they're more dangerous to use. 127 00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:37,720 They can become stronger because of the banning. 128 00:24:39,020 --> 00:24:41,000 It's also harder for people to seek help. 129 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:47,580 if they have an addiction problem for a band and a criminalized substance compared to a legalized substance. 130 00:24:48,380 --> 00:24:54,420 And it's harder to do research, it's harder to call in and get help if you are with somebody who's overdosing. 131 00:24:55,240 --> 00:25:01,280 So there's just so many problems that are going to really impact our community in a major dangerous way. 132 00:25:01,900 --> 00:25:06,200 The drugs are still going to be available online, they're still going to be available in an unregulated market. 133 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:11,800 I understand the concerns about these drugs being widely available and 134 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:16,080 unregulated in the stores and sometimes mislabeled, but 135 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:17,600 I don't think the solution is banning it. 136 00:25:17,740 --> 00:25:20,480 I think the solution is fact-based public education. 137 00:25:20,980 --> 00:25:24,980 I think the solution is investing in our mental health care system and addiction services. 138 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,660 And I think smart regulation that could have age limits. 139 00:25:30,300 --> 00:25:36,060 Like some of these people have said have regulations like alcohol or cannabis where 140 00:25:36,060 --> 00:25:41,420 You know, it's a little bit more controlled is who can get access to it and we're not letting kids buy it at a gas station 141 00:25:41,420 --> 00:25:42,660 I understand that concern 142 00:25:42,660 --> 00:25:47,260 But I think if the labels are accurate. I think if we regulate it. I think we have age limitations 143 00:25:48,020 --> 00:25:52,340 Like you've heard from these brave people that have come up and testified. It saves lives 144 00:25:52,340 --> 00:26:02,320 People use it to treat addiction people use it to treat chronic pain and addiction with much more harmful substances like heroin and opioids and so to take that away from our 145 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,880 our St. Joe community access to natural 146 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,600 freedom and some of the other isolated 147 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,880 compounds that are admittedly much 148 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,760 stronger, but for some people with 149 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,620 chronic pain, it might be what they need. 150 00:26:14,100 --> 00:26:15,280 And overdoses with 151 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:16,820 freedom are extremely rare, 152 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:17,880 especially with natural leaf 153 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:18,240 freedom. 154 00:26:19,220 --> 00:26:22,520 Most of the observed overdose fatal 155 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,380 overdoses came in mixing 156 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:26,560 freedom with other substances. 157 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,580 But I think if we can focus on public 158 00:26:28,580 --> 00:26:30,100 education, if we really want to keep 159 00:26:30,100 --> 00:26:31,980 our community safe, these are the routes 160 00:26:31,980 --> 00:26:36,080 that are going to be much more effective than a straight out ban, which will cause a lot 161 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,740 of people to suffer as you've already heard today. 162 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:39,060 Thank you. 163 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:40,480 I have a question, doctor. 164 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:41,300 Yeah. 165 00:26:41,300 --> 00:26:41,540 Over here. 166 00:26:42,140 --> 00:26:42,400 Okay. 167 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:43,340 Over here. 168 00:26:43,540 --> 00:26:43,800 Sorry. 169 00:26:44,860 --> 00:26:48,740 You started out by saying that banning substances is not the answer. 170 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:57,980 There are certain substances that have proven addictive and very seriously a problem for 171 00:26:57,980 --> 00:26:59,900 people who would accept them like heroin. 172 00:26:59,900 --> 00:27:03,160 Also, alcohol I would put in that category too, but the end of the one. 173 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:08,180 All right, heroin, opioids and those things, would you say remove all restrictions to those substances? 174 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,300 It's a new on argument for sure. 175 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:18,440 I think if we really wanted to maximize public health and safety, we would have regulated safe access 176 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,980 to any substance that humans are naturally putting in their body or choosing to put in their body. 177 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:30,000 Alcohol is, at the top of the list, of things that cause actual physical damage to the body and a lot of addiction problems, 178 00:27:30,660 --> 00:27:33,800 drinking and driving sexual assault, you name it. 179 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:38,260 There's so many public health concerns with alcohol yet we regulate it and we allow adults to use it. 180 00:27:38,340 --> 00:27:39,820 And it's actually celebrated in this community. 181 00:27:40,020 --> 00:27:42,560 So, I mean, in the world, right? 182 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:47,080 So, I think it's hard to just say, yes, we want to regulate. 183 00:27:47,260 --> 00:27:51,740 We want to legalize everything and we've seen states and countries that have done that with various success or failure. 184 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:57,060 If you are going to do that, you really need to invest in education and harm reduction 185 00:27:57,060 --> 00:28:01,820 strategies, places for people to seek help when they do have addictive problems with 186 00:28:01,820 --> 00:28:07,120 any kind of substance, be it alcohol or heroin or opioids and mental health care and those 187 00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:09,060 wraparound services that are going to help people. 188 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:15,340 People turn to drugs because of other issues, usually poverty and abuse and trauma as an escape. 189 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:21,540 And so we're not going to stop drug use by making things illegal, but we do definitely make 190 00:28:21,540 --> 00:28:23,400 make it more dangerous for those people who use drugs. 191 00:28:24,180 --> 00:28:30,340 I'll submit that there are also instances where people are not going to go for that education. 192 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:37,260 They're not going to accept it and there are people who are not of age to make those decisions. 193 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,840 So there have to be some restrictions. 194 00:28:40,380 --> 00:28:41,400 There's got to be some middle ground. 195 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:42,140 I totally agree. 196 00:28:42,420 --> 00:28:46,220 We don't let children go and buy alcohol on the stores, right, or cigarettes. 197 00:28:46,220 --> 00:28:54,500 And we have lots of public service announcements and public education around drugs and alcohol and how they can be dangerous for kids. 198 00:28:54,700 --> 00:29:00,940 And I think, yeah, you're right, like just saying it's a free for all without any kind of guardrails could be dangerous. 199 00:29:00,940 --> 00:29:08,980 But I think when it comes to something like freedom that's not causing this mass problem like other things, including alcohol, 200 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,400 then I think we really need to think about what's the smart move to make for St. Joe and our citizens. 201 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,000 I have a question. 202 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,240 About six years ago, we was looking at cratum. 203 00:29:23,340 --> 00:29:26,480 I think we did put a restriction on an age restriction. 204 00:29:27,620 --> 00:29:28,440 So there is that one. 205 00:29:28,940 --> 00:29:31,320 I spoke with the DEA yesterday. 206 00:29:32,300 --> 00:29:38,440 They told me that there is no activity on cratum, natural cratum. 207 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:48,680 But the dangerous, the synthetic, that it will be on one of the schedules, the five schedules that the DEA puts in. 208 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:57,440 But I also ask what the addiction and impairment risks are. 209 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,740 And I was told 210 00:30:00,660 --> 00:30:30,640 That the addiction profile is about the same as coffee, and that there is no impairment with taking natural cratum. Is that correct? Yeah, that's my understanding. And I to just comment on, you know, this scheduling. It has been very invoked for cities and states and even at the federal level to start demonizing 708 and cratum products. And so I understand that this may be a wave that we're not able to 211 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:35,700 hold back, but you're right in asking those questions about what is really the danger 212 00:30:35,700 --> 00:30:39,360 here, and what are we really banning, and what are the risks and benefits to banning 213 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,240 that for our citizens? So, thank you for bringing that up. 214 00:30:42,380 --> 00:30:53,720 Oh, so would you say that, what is it, 7-0-H, and try and obtain, is that pretty dangerous, 215 00:30:54,020 --> 00:30:55,580 and should we ban it? 216 00:30:55,580 --> 00:30:59,360 So I would say compared to natural leaf 217 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,940 cratum, it does have a higher risk profile for sure. 218 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,500 It's stronger, it has more susceptibility 219 00:31:05,500 --> 00:31:08,660 for tolerance building and for addiction. 220 00:31:10,420 --> 00:31:13,440 But I still come back to the idea 221 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,220 that people are going to get it some way. 222 00:31:17,660 --> 00:31:19,700 If they can't buy it legally in stores, 223 00:31:19,700 --> 00:31:21,940 they will buy it through black markets online 224 00:31:21,940 --> 00:31:27,700 or office streets, or they'll turn to things like heroin, or other things that will 225 00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:31,200 act to help treat whatever they're using it for. 226 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:32,740 Sure, and that's a problem for me. 227 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:44,340 I think that the seven o'clock and the other stuff I am nesting, I would fully support banning 228 00:31:44,340 --> 00:31:47,240 them, but not the natural credit, I think it's useful. 229 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:53,160 Yeah, I spoke at the Kansas City Council when they had the same issue come up and they 230 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:57,740 ended up doing the same thing where they regulated freedom but banned 708. 231 00:31:57,980 --> 00:32:01,720 And so that is definitely a distinction that would be a step in the right direction 232 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,900 rather than banning everything altogether. 233 00:32:04,500 --> 00:32:09,940 That's definitely the more harmful side of the product is those isolated alkaloids. 234 00:32:10,860 --> 00:32:16,500 But again, my personal belief and what for studying drug policy for so long is that 235 00:32:16,500 --> 00:32:20,720 But banning substances is not going to really curb their use. 236 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,940 I'm not sure what stores actually sell this to have been saying, Joseph, I think it's the 237 00:32:26,940 --> 00:32:28,100 smoke shops probably. 238 00:32:28,980 --> 00:32:32,080 I've called several gas stations, not a single one. 239 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:34,660 Told me that they sell this. 240 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,520 So that just to add on, I want you to say. 241 00:32:39,380 --> 00:32:39,840 Thank you. 242 00:32:40,820 --> 00:32:41,680 Any other questions? 243 00:32:42,220 --> 00:32:43,980 Would any of the smoke shops, Russell? 244 00:32:44,420 --> 00:32:44,780 Yeah. 245 00:32:45,100 --> 00:32:45,620 All the smoke shops. 246 00:32:45,620 --> 00:32:47,540 That's why we've got so many sculpture data. 247 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:49,940 Do all the smoke shop sellers? 248 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:50,780 Yes. 249 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,840 Even the signs out front to see. 250 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:54,340 Even the sign away. 251 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:55,800 I think cratum's one of the main products 252 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,700 out a lot of the smoke shops. 253 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,160 And again, with all that use, there 254 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,560 is very little overdose or risks 255 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:04,720 with the people that are especially 256 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,020 using the natural leaf cratum. 257 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,900 And you're a doctor, is that a PhD or a medical doctor? 258 00:33:09,900 --> 00:33:10,980 PhD in psychology. 259 00:33:11,620 --> 00:33:11,660 Yeah. 260 00:33:11,740 --> 00:33:13,500 But I do study drug policy quite a bit 261 00:33:13,500 --> 00:33:17,940 and work with drug policy organizations in Kansas City as well. 262 00:33:18,380 --> 00:33:18,840 Okay. 263 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:20,260 Yeah, thank you. 264 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:22,940 Thank you. 265 00:33:23,860 --> 00:33:24,620 Dave Barry, 266 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,980 please state your name and address for the clerk's record. 267 00:33:30,180 --> 00:33:33,260 Let me in your comments to five minutes and wait until you see the timer to begin speaking. 268 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:35,220 All right. 269 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:41,260 Dave Barry, actually on the eastern side of the state, and I'm here tonight on behalf of the American Creative Association. 270 00:33:41,260 --> 00:33:48,680 And we completely share this council's commitment to public safety and keeping dangerous unregulated products out of St. Joseph. 271 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:53,600 However, I'm here tonight to respectfully urge a no vote on this bill 185-26. 272 00:33:53,860 --> 00:33:58,960 A blanket ban on natural credomly, if as you've heard, relies on an outdated understanding of the science. 273 00:33:59,260 --> 00:34:03,880 And it misses a unique opportunity for the community to lead the state and smart public policy. 274 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:10,020 It is vital to clarify a critical scientific distinction that state and federal agencies 275 00:34:10,020 --> 00:34:15,460 are recognizing that, and that is that natural-cratum leaf is fundamentally different from concentrated 276 00:34:15,460 --> 00:34:16,600 synthetic 708. 277 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:21,420 Natural-cratum leaf has been used safely by millions of responsible Americans for years 278 00:34:21,420 --> 00:34:27,720 and in contrast, synthetic 708 is a chemically manipulated, highly-concentrated compound manufactured 279 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,460 to be unnatural, to be unnaturally potent. 280 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,980 They are completely different products, and recognizing this distinction as you've heard 281 00:34:34,980 --> 00:34:40,140 of witnesses before me, the DEA is just issued formal notices of intent on July 1st to place 282 00:34:40,140 --> 00:34:43,920 these dangerous drugs, synthetic 708 products into schedule one. 283 00:34:44,660 --> 00:34:47,940 Federal and State agencies are learning that the hazard isn't the natural plan, it's the 284 00:34:47,940 --> 00:34:50,040 unregulated synthetic modifications. 285 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:55,080 This bill attempts to solve the problem by prohibition, criminalizing the simple possession 286 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:59,680 of a natural leaf by law-biting citizens, but prohibition simply creates an 287 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,940 unregulated underground market. This council can pioneer a model for local 288 00:35:03,940 --> 00:35:08,340 governments by enacting smart science-led regulations. We urge the community to 289 00:35:08,340 --> 00:35:13,440 take the lead by establishing a strict regulatory framework that targets the 290 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:18,420 real danger. Band the sale of concentrated synthetic 708 products entirely to align 291 00:35:18,420 --> 00:35:22,660 with emerging federal standards and keep natural cratomally for adults by 292 00:35:22,660 --> 00:35:28,700 of money, strict age limits, mandatory, independent third party lab testing, and clear labeling requirements. 293 00:35:29,300 --> 00:35:32,700 Let's work together to find an effective regulatory solution. 294 00:35:33,340 --> 00:35:34,540 I had one question if I could. 295 00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:36,260 What was the name of the group you're speaking about? 296 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:37,520 American Creative Association. 297 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:38,720 Thank you, sir. 298 00:35:40,670 --> 00:35:41,190 Thank you. 299 00:35:43,540 --> 00:35:45,860 I have a speaker card for a Robert quarter. 300 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,160 Please state your name and address for the clerk's record. 301 00:35:50,300 --> 00:35:54,280 Let me your comments to five minutes and wait until you see the timer to begin speaking. 302 00:35:56,060 --> 00:35:58,300 I'm the mayor of the city council. 303 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:00,720 My name is Robert Corner, MD. 304 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:01,820 I'm a medical doctor. 305 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:08,420 And I am your selected health director at the health department. 306 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,380 Eight years ago, I came out of retirement. 307 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,880 I was an subject of gynecologist for 40 years. 308 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,300 And I realized that I could do something to help the opioid crisis. 309 00:36:20,900 --> 00:36:23,760 So, I've been treating opioid addiction now for eight years. 310 00:36:25,420 --> 00:36:30,940 The newest thing on the market, however, is seven hydroxy, or seven hydroxymitragenine, 311 00:36:30,940 --> 00:36:32,720 which is the chemical component. 312 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:38,400 I agree with most of the things that have been said here by the speakers. 313 00:36:38,900 --> 00:36:44,320 I'm not in favor of adamantly opposing a cratum. 314 00:36:44,500 --> 00:36:46,500 I do believe it has a place in helping people. 315 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:55,000 But seven hydroxy, I see about one patient a week now for about eight months, and there's 316 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,620 no way they can get off of that stuff. 317 00:36:56,860 --> 00:37:03,020 They either have to quit using it or they have to go to harder things like heroin or fentanyl, 318 00:37:03,380 --> 00:37:04,080 which are more dangerous. 319 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:10,860 I've not seen anybody overdose and die from taking seven hydroxy, and I certainly have not 320 00:37:10,860 --> 00:37:15,360 seen anybody die from taking cratum, and I don't know that I've ever seen anybody with TN 321 00:37:16,540 --> 00:37:21,440 and it's a present that they use in Europe quite a bit. 322 00:37:21,820 --> 00:37:29,040 It's not condoned by the powers of B here in the United States that I know of anyway. 323 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:36,480 I attend a group that discusses addiction, medicine, and state of Missouri every two weeks 324 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:45,340 and our group goes through these things and we actually had a talk about all three drugs 325 00:37:45,340 --> 00:37:46,820 about two months ago. 326 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,840 So I'm in favor of banning seven hydroxy. 327 00:37:50,100 --> 00:37:51,460 I think the government's gonna do that. 328 00:37:51,620 --> 00:37:54,360 If they classify one from the DEA, 329 00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:55,740 that should take care of it. 330 00:37:55,860 --> 00:37:59,580 I don't see really a good use for seven hydroxy. 331 00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:02,440 It makes people feel good for very short period of time, 332 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,300 but the withdrawal is from it are terrible. 333 00:38:05,620 --> 00:38:07,420 And that is what basically I'm doing. 334 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,880 It's getting people out of taking that seven hydroxy 335 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,120 by using medical assisted therapy. 336 00:38:15,660 --> 00:38:17,340 So, it's a difficult situation. 337 00:38:17,780 --> 00:38:23,340 I do think that leaf cratum is probably not real dangerous. 338 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,720 I do have pages that are addicted to it, but not very many. 339 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:27,880 I have a question for you. 340 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:28,780 Oh, sorry. 341 00:38:29,060 --> 00:38:29,640 No, you were first. 342 00:38:29,780 --> 00:38:29,960 Go ahead. 343 00:38:31,380 --> 00:38:35,260 Oh, based on the cratum leaf, you see some people you said addicted to it. 344 00:38:35,340 --> 00:38:42,360 Do you see those people that are addicted continuing to use a higher classified drug as heroin 345 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,700 or do they go on to this 708? 346 00:38:46,100 --> 00:38:48,540 I can't answer that because that's certainly a possibility, 347 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,320 but once they're feeling normal 348 00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:53,800 and they're away from their cratum addiction, 349 00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:56,240 they don't usually go back and do anything else. 350 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,480 Just usually use the leaf cratum and say no. 351 00:38:58,920 --> 00:38:59,480 They don't use it anymore. 352 00:38:59,500 --> 00:38:59,900 They get away from it. 353 00:38:59,900 --> 00:39:01,940 Okay, take the medicine, they're done. 354 00:39:02,460 --> 00:39:04,200 So you think that the leaf cratum 355 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:05,940 has less of a desire to continue on? 356 00:39:05,940 --> 00:39:07,180 I don't think it's particularly dangerous. 357 00:39:07,380 --> 00:39:09,340 And neither does one of my professor friends 358 00:39:09,340 --> 00:39:16,420 that University of Missouri, Kansas City, who is the director of this organization that studies drug addiction in the state of Missouri. 359 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:17,480 Thank you. 360 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,180 So do you think natural cradim leaves should be banned? 361 00:39:22,220 --> 00:39:22,460 No. 362 00:39:23,020 --> 00:39:23,200 Okay. 363 00:39:24,660 --> 00:39:28,960 I would make a motion that we strip that language from this ordinance. 364 00:39:29,540 --> 00:39:30,260 Might second that. 365 00:39:33,660 --> 00:39:36,960 Remove the language that bans natural cradim leaves. 366 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:37,760 Can 367 00:39:44,740 --> 00:39:50,700 we just reestablish the old 20-41 that should take care of it? 368 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,400 I need to hear that. 369 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,560 Take care of 708 or TNF team. 370 00:40:03,020 --> 00:40:03,900 Well, I do have a question. 371 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:15,120 It's my understanding and I've seen all kinds of variances on labeling on these products. 372 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,180 There's no standardization on it, there's no testing, 373 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:23,880 There's no testments to purity or standards like that. 374 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:28,500 You go into these different shops and you'll see 15 different things. 375 00:40:28,700 --> 00:40:31,400 And some of it looks a little shady the way it's packaged. 376 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,500 How do the consumers know what they're getting? 377 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:36,700 I mean, seriously. 378 00:40:37,620 --> 00:40:38,760 You bring up a good point. 379 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:39,820 They really don't. 380 00:40:40,020 --> 00:40:42,440 And as a matter of fact, this didn't happen. 381 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,800 I mean, in person, but I heard it from a couple of patients. 382 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:49,260 the mind that are addicted to seven hydroxy that they were giving away samples here in St. 383 00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:56,060 Joe. Now to me that's dastardly to give away something that they know they're going to become 384 00:40:56,060 --> 00:41:02,060 addicted to. That's terrible. I'm the medical director of the health department. I'm here to try 385 00:41:02,060 --> 00:41:09,280 to help preserve the health of the community. That's why I'm here. We have a moment. I think it's 386 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:21,700 There's motion to second. Yeah, I think it's, you know, one to say that, you're banning it doesn't make it unregulated. It's unregulated as it exists today. 387 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:33,640 But we've already got it outlawed for individuals under the age of 21, which I think is something that is important so that those individuals who are under the age of 21 388 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,740 Then don't have that opportunity to access that. 389 00:41:37,100 --> 00:41:39,260 I wish it was probably 18, similar to tobacco. 390 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:47,880 But the natural leaf cradum, you know, as many people have said tonight, and as Dr. 391 00:41:47,980 --> 00:41:53,500 has mentioned, is not necessarily the issue that we need to solve immediately. 392 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:59,740 The DEA tried in 2016 to do something for natural leaf cradum and they quickly retracted 393 00:41:59,740 --> 00:42:00,240 their statement. 394 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,580 So I think it's going to be different on 708. 395 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:09,620 I think they're planning here early this month to announce some sort of formal language 396 00:42:09,620 --> 00:42:10,380 on 708. 397 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:17,440 So that's why I made the motion I did so we can have the discussion and see if that's 398 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:18,560 something that everybody else has approved. 399 00:42:19,020 --> 00:42:19,460 We'll approve. 400 00:42:21,460 --> 00:42:33,080 So a question, if by voting for Madison's motion, would that reestablish 20 days, 341 in its original form? 401 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,020 Please, the council, can I sit down? 402 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,060 Thank you, Dr. Woodford. 403 00:42:46,260 --> 00:42:48,220 Well, this is amending, amending it. 404 00:42:48,460 --> 00:42:53,900 That would be the intent. That's the wish of the body. That is absolutely intent. 405 00:42:53,900 --> 00:42:57,260 I don't have that section in front of me, but we understand the intent. 406 00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:58,060 Okay. 407 00:42:59,140 --> 00:43:03,500 Intense in there, and we all understand it, and I call for a vote. 408 00:43:05,580 --> 00:43:07,580 Well, I've got some discussion on this. 409 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,100 I asked this to be brought forward and put on the agenda because 410 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:21,720 the substance was being sold and different venues virtually unrestricted. 411 00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:26,660 So I thought this discussion needed to be had and I'm glad I listened to all these things. 412 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:35,580 We've gotten some very good points that have been brought out and I don't really don't have a problem with the amendment. 413 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:42,320 But I want to make sure that that's why I wanted to see 203341 to make sure 414 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:47,580 that the age restriction was in place because I do think we need the age restriction. 415 00:43:47,580 --> 00:43:48,420 the 416 00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:57,570 grade totally agree. The age restriction has not been removed sir. But we know that it was 417 00:43:57,570 --> 00:44:03,830 placed there. It is in 321. By your previous council. Yes. Yes sir. Okay. 418 00:44:08,340 --> 00:44:09,460 So as I understand we 419 00:44:09,460 --> 00:44:18,420 would just be trying to keep 2320-341 as it was and then just banning 2342 and 2343 correct. 420 00:44:24,590 --> 00:44:25,150 Yes 421 00:44:25,150 --> 00:44:41,630 Okay. Councilmember Davis made a motion. Councilmember Esslinger seconded that motion to remove the language that bans create a natural form for adults over the age of 21. 422 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:56,480 There's a speaker card, but it's not for this item 423 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:08,040 That's up to you. No. We'll we'll wait until public comment for your comment voting on the amendment. Correct. 424 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,020 Okay, we're voting on the amendment. Are you ready? 425 00:45:22,270 --> 00:45:23,690 Okay. Is there? 426 00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:55,010 Seven, oh, the amendment passes. 427 00:46:03,470 --> 00:46:09,970 And now you're going to be voting on the amended ordinance. I didn't count. It counts members. Cashew wrote of a seven, 428 00:46:34,780 --> 00:46:35,180 oh. 429 00:46:47,980 --> 00:46:49,640 Clerk, please read the bills. 430 00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:50,760 for the first reading. 431 00:46:52,800 --> 00:47:19,620 21 in ordinance authorizing the acceptance of grants from the Missouri Department of Transportation, Traffic, and Highway Safety Division for hazardous moving, violation enforcement, impaired driving enforcement, motor, cycle safety training, and Midland Empire Alcohol Task Force in the amount of $155,802.52 to be used for training equipment over time and pension related expenses in the police department and authorizing an amendment to the general public. 432 00:47:19,620 --> 00:47:25,880 general fund police department budget to reflect the awarded funds in the amount of $1,155,000, 433 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:33,360 an earned $2.52, and to roll forward the remaining grant funds from the previous year in the amount of $30,513. 434 00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:39,940 $24.22, an ordinance authorizing a contract with the Missouri Department of Health and 435 00:47:39,940 --> 00:47:48,540 Senior Services to provide a nutrition program through the Women Infinson Children Program in the amount of $558,556. 436 00:47:48,540 --> 00:47:56,060 and to amend the public health department budget in the general fund to recognize the difference in the amount of $14,483. 437 00:47:59,070 --> 00:48:03,790 23 in ordinance affirming the purchase and installation of an upgraded camera system for 438 00:48:03,790 --> 00:48:09,030 PD Market Health Center from all systems go in the amount of $52,796. 439 00:48:12,410 --> 00:48:17,110 24 in ordinance authorizing an amendment to the capital projects budget and 440 00:48:17,110 --> 00:48:20,950 the execution of a lump sum contract with herner construction incorporated for 441 00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:37,570 the construction of fire station number 10 in the amount of 6,260,000, 25 and ordinance authorizing the execution of a professional services agreement for pest and rodent control services for city facilities with Pete's pest control. 442 00:48:37,570 --> 00:48:38,250 Mayor 443 00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:59,760 and council, a reminder, tomorrow is national nine out against crime, be at 5.30 p.m., civic park out in front of the city hall. 444 00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:04,540 It's a great event if you can make it, that would be fantastic. 445 00:49:05,500 --> 00:49:14,960 Also, Saturday at 7 p.m., the civic arena is the championship game between the St. Joseph goats and the Arkansas diamonds and Saturday at 7 p.m. 446 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,640 So, if you want to go out and support the goats, it would be a great chance to do it. 447 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,020 That's all I have, thank you. 448 00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:21,140 Okay. 449 00:49:21,660 --> 00:49:23,580 Is there any other business by the council? 450 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:24,860 Go vote. 451 00:49:36,220 --> 00:49:38,180 We will now move to public comment. 452 00:49:41,770 --> 00:49:48,310 Public comment is an opportunity for residents to speak about issues or topics related to city operations and policy and not a Q&A. 453 00:49:48,750 --> 00:49:50,890 I have a speaker card for Juan Martinez. 454 00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:54,410 He's approached the microphone, state your name and address for the clerk's record. 455 00:49:54,410 --> 00:49:58,590 your comment to five minutes, and wait until you see the timer before you begin speaking. 456 00:50:02,020 --> 00:50:06,060 Hi, Juan Martinez, 2315, Hutchinson Street, St. Joseph, Missouri. 457 00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:15,960 I was here a couple of months ago about the same thing, but before I speak about that, I wanted to speak about what we just had right now. 458 00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:21,640 I didn't know that was happening, but they do have a bit of a cross section, so I figured I'd say something. 459 00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:25,100 And I think about you guys all the time. 460 00:50:25,460 --> 00:50:29,460 And we spoke the last time and how I learned how it's rough 461 00:50:29,460 --> 00:50:30,260 being in your position. 462 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,120 And I could think about it more and more. 463 00:50:33,720 --> 00:50:36,340 I'm curious about what you guys do all the time 464 00:50:36,340 --> 00:50:39,040 and how you do it, how you come to your conclusions, 465 00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,220 like what research you do, how you do it, 466 00:50:42,420 --> 00:50:45,040 all the people you speak with, it's just all over the place, 467 00:50:45,220 --> 00:50:47,020 just seeing who you guys are. 468 00:50:47,020 --> 00:50:58,880 So, when it comes to these things and being in your position, it's a very powerful thing, 469 00:50:59,000 --> 00:50:59,120 right? 470 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:06,500 So, when you guys are making your decisions, I would just hope that you guys err on 471 00:51:07,780 --> 00:51:09,800 freedom just in general. 472 00:51:10,460 --> 00:51:14,220 Now, you asked about doing the super hard drugs and stuff. 473 00:51:14,220 --> 00:51:21,460 And I've never done really hard drugs, but I have an illness, and I feel like it's giving me a very good insight into it. 474 00:51:21,900 --> 00:51:25,680 When it comes to those, people aren't so much chasing that high. 475 00:51:26,220 --> 00:51:31,820 In the end, it's more of running from the pain after the high. 476 00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,300 That is more powerful than the actual high. It's scary. 477 00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:44,600 And I just remember my, one of my cousins I barely knew injecting herself in the corner 478 00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:51,020 and I just stared at her and just total, just scarred and she was going at it and she 479 00:51:51,020 --> 00:51:51,860 just put it in there. 480 00:51:52,020 --> 00:51:56,420 She was like, don't ever do drugs, don't ever start it, don't ever try it, just staring 481 00:51:56,420 --> 00:52:01,100 at me, we're just eye to eye and she's just going and she did not want to be there, right? 482 00:52:01,220 --> 00:52:01,940 It was just scary. 483 00:52:01,940 --> 00:52:08,460 for her, was scary for me, she was just running from the pain that lingers after the high. 484 00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:15,940 She wasn't going towards the high anymore, but it was still her choice to start it. 485 00:52:17,580 --> 00:52:20,560 She knew exactly what it was going to do. 486 00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:26,740 We educated her, she was educated, I knew who she was, but she still decided to do it. 487 00:52:27,500 --> 00:52:32,320 In Japan, in the high schools, they close the gates once it's time to come into class. 488 00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,300 If you're not in the gate, you're not coming to class. 489 00:52:36,060 --> 00:52:37,980 It's your choice, right? 490 00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,680 I knew a lot of people in high school and they'd be like, I don't want to be here. 491 00:52:42,860 --> 00:52:46,980 Don't come because you're taking away from the people who do want to be here, you know? 492 00:52:47,780 --> 00:52:50,320 But it's your, it should be your choice, right? 493 00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:53,200 It should always be a choice. 494 00:52:53,200 --> 00:53:00,700 So, if you have to make a law, you try to make it as broad as possible to keep as much freedom as possible, 495 00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:07,220 which is, you know, connected to that, because you don't ever know how it's going to affect things, right? 496 00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,960 Like they brought up the, when they banned alcohol. 497 00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,320 So, then the bad things came after that. 498 00:53:14,700 --> 00:53:22,080 And you guys, I don't think there's like a way that you guys do it where you continuously go back to old laws and look and reoccur, right? 499 00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:28,180 There's that one city that's illegal to carry a Sunday in the back pocket while you're walking on the sidewalk 500 00:53:28,180 --> 00:53:34,060 Right, it's still there because they never went back they never fixed it and are corrected it so because of all of that 501 00:53:34,060 --> 00:53:41,620 It's more indicative for you guys to try just keep as much freedom for everybody as possible because you never know 502 00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:46,940 So that comes to my part and my chickens and my flock 503 00:53:47,540 --> 00:53:52,920 So, I saw the things you guys did and the effort you guys put into it where you guys also 504 00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,200 made it tiered the further away when the more you can have. 505 00:53:58,340 --> 00:54:02,360 But there's a lot of things that, you know, that doesn't address as well. 506 00:54:03,100 --> 00:54:05,000 And there's so many nuances in everything. 507 00:54:05,340 --> 00:54:07,040 And you guys rely on us. 508 00:54:07,740 --> 00:54:09,460 I understand you guys can understand everything. 509 00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:10,720 You guys rely on us. 510 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:11,260 And I apologize. 511 00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:16,040 I wasn't able to come here more to speak to you more about it and do all that stuff. 512 00:54:16,700 --> 00:54:18,900 in our times right now, so I'm gonna hurry up. 513 00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:20,780 But if 514 00:54:23,180 --> 00:54:25,100 I was able to put my chicken coop 515 00:54:25,100 --> 00:54:26,420 literally right next to my house, 516 00:54:26,820 --> 00:54:29,900 I'd be able to tie it in to my drainage system. 517 00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,760 I'd be able to keep it clean, like speaking span. 518 00:54:33,060 --> 00:54:34,320 I could put like a sheen floor. 519 00:54:34,780 --> 00:54:36,000 I could rinse it out every day, 520 00:54:36,060 --> 00:54:38,180 just like I would in my house mop the floor easy. 521 00:54:38,660 --> 00:54:40,600 So you never know what people could do. 522 00:54:41,240 --> 00:54:42,700 Back in the day, we used to have businesses 523 00:54:42,700 --> 00:54:44,660 on the second floor, right? 524 00:54:45,020 --> 00:54:45,820 And then we'd live on the, 525 00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:46,860 or we'd live on the second floor, 526 00:54:46,860 --> 00:54:49,080 the businesses would be on the first floor, right? 527 00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:53,920 I mean, there's a lot of things people can do and you never know, so 528 00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,100 I mean, you just give people their freedoms, you know, as much as possible. 529 00:54:58,580 --> 00:55:00,880 So, I guess that would be it, because my time's up. 530 00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:02,380 Thank you so much. 531 00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:04,620 Thank you so much. 532 00:55:04,620 --> 00:55:06,380 I have a speaker card for Kevin Ryan. 533 00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,620 Please approach the microphone, state your name and address for the clerk's record. 534 00:55:11,860 --> 00:55:15,380 Let me your comments to five minutes and wait until you see the timer before you begin speaking. 535 00:55:19,740 --> 00:55:27,020 I moved here from Los Angeles back in 95 and I thought what a beautiful city we decided 536 00:55:27,020 --> 00:55:27,960 to stay here. 537 00:55:28,340 --> 00:55:32,400 I took a job that was based out of Kansas City but I want to hear this beautiful city. 538 00:55:33,140 --> 00:55:34,160 It still is. 539 00:55:35,100 --> 00:55:36,800 I have a problem though. 540 00:55:37,380 --> 00:55:41,260 I have a problem with people parking between the curb and the sidewalk. 541 00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,160 This happens in front of my house. 542 00:55:44,940 --> 00:55:47,160 I am responsible for that right away. 543 00:55:48,700 --> 00:55:52,720 Nobody gives citations for parking between the curb and the sidewalk. 544 00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:58,200 If I'm responsible for that property, why should I have to maintain that property? 545 00:55:59,100 --> 00:56:05,860 When other people tear it up because our system does not write citations and take care of this problem. 546 00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,760 This has become a huge problem in the last couple of years. 547 00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:16,380 it has become the norm because people can do it and nothing happens it's 548 00:56:16,380 --> 00:56:21,420 happening all over St. Joe I don't know if you guys see it or not I have called 549 00:56:21,420 --> 00:56:26,380 down here they say I need to call the police department I call the police 550 00:56:26,380 --> 00:56:30,680 department they say you take care of it here I'm tired of going back and forth I'm 551 00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:35,040 tired of my property get tore up we have curbs that are being busted up all 552 00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:42,720 over town because of it, when it rains, it creates ruts between the sidewalk and the curb. 553 00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:47,440 Next thing we know, we're going to get something, we're going to get our sewer rates raised. 554 00:56:47,940 --> 00:56:52,540 You know why? Because the sewers are going to be full of mud and rocks from this happening. 555 00:56:53,880 --> 00:57:01,140 It's terrible. It's even happening in front of big businesses. I have seen just in my area where 556 00:57:01,140 --> 00:57:07,260 I live on St. Joe Avenue, vehicles 100% park on the sidewalk. 557 00:57:08,220 --> 00:57:13,760 Kids going to school have to step off the curb and go around these vehicles to go to school. 558 00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,720 It's ridiculous, something's gotta be done. 559 00:57:17,260 --> 00:57:20,200 I call the police department, they tell me there's fine as $15. 560 00:57:21,020 --> 00:57:22,340 Are you kidding me? 561 00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:29,120 To park on the sidewalk, what would happen if I came here tonight and parked out here on this sidewalk? 562 00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:36,000 What would happen, would I be told away, cited, probably, because it's not in front of your house. 563 00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:39,980 It's in front of the public property. 564 00:57:41,260 --> 00:57:42,240 I'm sick of it. 565 00:57:42,460 --> 00:57:47,200 I'm sick of these holes that are being dug up all around St. Joe for this water treatment thing. 566 00:57:47,380 --> 00:57:49,960 There are replacing lines or something over on Boyd Street. 567 00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:55,860 There has been a eight foot by 16 foot freaking hole that's been there all summer. 568 00:57:57,720 --> 00:57:59,700 Why are we allowing this to happen? 569 00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:02,380 Do these people not have a time limit to get this done? 570 00:58:02,540 --> 00:58:05,580 At one point, they had that big hole there in a half a block away. 571 00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,180 They had two holes right across the street from each other. 572 00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:11,020 You had an eight-foot path between these two big holes. 573 00:58:14,060 --> 00:58:15,980 Something is just got to be done. 574 00:58:17,060 --> 00:58:19,380 Another thing that's going to make our city look like trash. 575 00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:25,080 Now, the trash companies, they don't want to go down alleys anymore. 576 00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:32,060 I got a letter from waste management, they're going to deliver their own trash cans free of charge those great big trash cans 577 00:58:32,060 --> 00:58:40,300 Those are to be put in front of your house on your designated trash pickup day, and I said, oh, yeah, that's going to go over really well 578 00:58:40,300 --> 00:58:41,760 It's already happening 579 00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:49,760 People have these trash cans in front of their houses chained up to to posts and fences and and whatever 580 00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:57,040 So now now we have to walk past a stinking trash can. We have to look at the trash can every day 581 00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:58,860 Because they're not taking them up 582 00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:03,760 Now you're gonna have to step off the sidewalk to go around a vehicle 583 00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:09,140 Go into the street back on the sidewalk look at smelly trash cans 584 00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:14,580 What are we doing? Why do we not go back to the law? 585 00:59:14,580 --> 00:59:23,580 I remember about 15 years ago, I parked my work truck in front of my house, and my back tire, I kid you not. 586 00:59:23,700 --> 00:59:28,120 I had pictures of it back in the day, was one inch on top of that curb. 587 00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:30,420 I got a citation for it. 588 00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:38,420 I took a picture and I came down here and I told them at that point, is there a size limit for that curb? 589 00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:40,480 Are they supposed to be a certain height? 590 00:59:41,260 --> 00:59:43,340 Because I had a take measure in the picture. 591 00:59:43,340 --> 00:59:49,180 my curb was three quarters of an inch tall, my wheel was one inch on top of that curb. 592 00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:53,360 Couldn't even tell us on the curb, they would not dismiss my ticket. 593 00:59:54,060 --> 00:59:57,540 And now, now you can just park wherever you want, nothing gets done. 594 00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:59,980 Who's taking care of it, is it the- 595 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:26,720 Police Department, is it your parking attendant now that we have driving around? Because I never see him in St. Joe. You go on some streets, you go up Lover's Lane. They're doing it on Lover's Lane. Beautiful Lover's Lane. And now you have these rut marks all over on the sides. More dirt going into our sewer system. We got busted up curbs on St. Joe Avenue that have been there for years. And I understand that's probably a state thing. 596 01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:36,520 but you have chunks of curb in that medium that divider that are this far out into the roadway. 597 01:00:36,980 --> 01:00:38,540 Do we not see this stuff? 598 01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:39,900 Sir, your time's up. 599 01:00:46,270 --> 01:00:48,030 Sir, any other discussion from council? 600 01:00:48,790 --> 01:00:49,510 Yeah, I got a question. 601 01:00:50,910 --> 01:00:56,630 That is an ordinance read against parking on the sidewalk. 602 01:00:56,630 --> 01:00:57,410 Is that correct? 603 01:00:58,030 --> 01:00:58,410 That's correct. 604 01:00:58,610 --> 01:01:01,310 I'm going to be with PD in the resident here. 605 01:01:04,630 --> 01:01:10,890 I agree. I think there's there is quite an issue with that. You know, perhaps it's something we need to look at. 606 01:01:11,630 --> 01:01:21,250 You know, from a from a fine standpoint, too, if we can couple that along with the enforcement, perhaps we can get some. 607 01:01:21,550 --> 01:01:27,450 I know exactly what you're talking about. So it's gotten really bad. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for sharing that. 608 01:01:28,110 --> 01:01:33,330 I'd like to find out if those curbs long-saint you have a new art part of Modoth's responsibility. 609 01:01:33,750 --> 01:01:36,650 That'd be an interesting thing to find out. 610 01:01:37,790 --> 01:01:38,710 I hope they are. 611 01:01:45,900 --> 01:01:50,440 Well now move to see another business this means as Jordan.