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And this is a special meeting of the Board of Finance. It is Tuesday, April 14th, 2026. And this is the budget vote on the mayor's proposed operating capital and special funds budgets, as well as the Board of Education for fiscal year 2026, 27.

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and we have our full complement of members of the board, including Richard Friedman, Jennifer

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Munger, Jeff Oswanger, Laura Berwick, Tom Doherty, and myself Mary Lou Renaldi. And again,

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I ask that if you are not a member of the Board of Finance or a member of the OPM team, please turn

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off your camera and your microphone because we're getting a lot of feedback because of the number

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of people that have logged on. Obviously you're welcome to attend. We just need to have everybody

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able to hear what the board is doing, okay? All right. So as a part of our agenda

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We do make time for the public to be heard for 30 minutes in total and each speaker will have a three-minute limit.

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Now, if you attended the public hearing last week and you spoke to the Board of Finance and the Fiscal Committee of the Board of Representatives,

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we said here your comments.

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So I asked the tune you not take the time to repeat them at this at this point.

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So with that, is there anyone here who would like to address the board for three minutes before we start our process?

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All right. Mary Lou, we have Dave Adams has a pandraist.

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He did speak. He spoke at the public hearing.

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Yeah, they if you did you did speak at the public hearing and we did hear hear your comments, but do you do have anything in addition to add?

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Thank you chair. I actually mind was more of a matter of process. I know that you're having feedback issues and I would encourage you to advise anyone who is joining this meeting to only have one device.

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I'm meeting you at a time that will that will kill the feedback issue.

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Okay, thank you for that Dave and please everyone please mute your microphone. Turn off your camera.

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I'm going to mute everyone and come back and put your mics back on. Okay. Hold on one second.

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All right. That's fine. Thank you. Yep.

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okay can everybody hear me yes yes okay all right so as I mentioned we are

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going please mute your mic please whoever's speaking

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all right as I mentioned

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we're going to act on the mayor's operating capital in special funds budget as

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as well as the Board of Education budget for fiscal year,

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2026, 2027.

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But before we start, I think it's important

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to provide some context to the public and to the people

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who are listening in to our deliberations tonight.

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So I just want to set the stage a little bit.

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So, the mayor's operating and capital budgets reflects a tax increase of 7.89% over last year.

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And the members of the Board of Finance believe that this level of increase is unsustainable and causes tremendous hardship to the citizens of Stanford.

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To impose a tax increase of this magnitude when people are struggling with higher food and gas prices, higher rents and other expenses just didn't seem fair to us.

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In her presentation to the Board of Finance and the Board of Representatives back in March, Mayor Simmons expressed to us.

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Please, please mute your mic.

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Mayor Simmons expressed to us her disappointment that the administration wasn't able to get the budgets down to a 5% increase.

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And we took the mayor's challenge to heart and worked very hard to reduce the budgets accordingly to try and to reach that target.

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And we've been working with her to that end.

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I've said many times from the very beginning of this process that the Board of Finance would have to make some very hard decisions with respect to these budgets.

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We would have to retain those items and those services that were absolutely essential to the city.

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I believe in many ways having actually sat through that process that the budget process this year is even more difficult than the budget process we went through with COVID.

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And I say that because the increase this year is much bigger and the request for funding is much greater.

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Now, as part of the budget, we have to take into account that the city is building new schools.

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And we have to stockpile as it were, the funds to move west hill and rocks buried to actual construction.

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And that means that we're paying for everything up front, partially through fund 57,

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and then waiting for the state reimbursements at 80% for West Hill and 60% for Roxbury.

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So we're talking about well over $100 million.

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Now this year the city has also made a decision to do a $65 million bond offering,

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which

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factors will at some point during the year add to our costs.

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And this is a new addition based on the fact that we haven't bonded in the past three years.

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So in a perfect world with unlimited funds, the border finance would have loved to approve every budget request.

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However, that's not the situation that we're in.

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Unfortunately, we've had to make fiscally proven decisions

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and really to balance municipal need with the people's ability to pay.

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I can assure you that we have spent countless hours in budget review sessions

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with the departments over the past two months

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And believe that we have done our due diligence to the best of our ability.

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Once we finish our votes on the expense side tonight, we will take up the revenue side on May 18th

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and we will set the mill rate.

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And that will conclude the budget process for fiscal year 2627.

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if any other board members which we should wish to comment I would ask that they do so now.

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Mary Lou.

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Yes, Laura.

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Oh, thank you very much.

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I've got the back to.

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I really appreciate all of your words and just wanted to add that the mayor's budget includes the Board of Education budget.

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So they the combined to would equal the increase that you had talked about.

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Right.

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Right, and that's what we're that's what we're acting on tonight. The operating capital in the Board of Education if everything on the expense side of the ledger

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Richard and then Jennifer go head Richard go head Jennifer

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Thank you Richard. I was just going to say to Mary Lou thank you for that

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introduction and that level setting

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And it has been for as a new member of the board.

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It's been a lot of hours and making sure we make the right decisions.

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But just thank you for doing that introduction and level setting.

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And Jen, I know that it's been particularly difficult for you and Tom.

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This is your first foray into into the budget process.

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And I know it's been a lot.

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So I thank you for your patience and for your stick toadiveness and I thank you for your very thoughtful

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comments during the process.

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Richard?

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Thanks, Mary Lou and thanks for your comments.

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I think maybe to put it in context.

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So this is Mary Lou and I, this is our 13th budget together, Mary Lou's course, this is probably

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you're 28th. 30 second. 30 second. Who's count? I was close. So at least for the 13 that I've been

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on, which eight years of Mayor Martin, and now this is the fifth year of Mayor Simmons. I believe

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the highest mill rate we ever increased. We ever got in the mayor's budget before we acted was

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under 4%. And I don't recall a year where we passed in the rate increase over that 2.8%

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on the last five years it's been under 2%. We won't be anywhere close to that this year.

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And this is the first year that I can remember where it was not only over 4% it's actually almost 8%.

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percent so that obviously provides its own challenges but you know the

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Board of Finance takes everything into account and we try and be fair and

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hopefully that will come through as we go through the evening. Thanks. Thanks for

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your Tom.

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Yes thanks. Thanks again Mary Lou. You know for your free

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humble and your opening comments and I just want to say in kind of piggyback on

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what Jennifer relate is that yeah it's it's it's my first year and also but you know I

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I really appreciate the disagreements aside and I know we've got some but I appreciate everybody's

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input you know I think the board here the board of finance coming into it I hadn't you know really

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no expectations but I found it you know collaborative and and I really appreciate that particularly

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being the new person so as we go through this process again I know we'll have some disagreements

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But I think without to the person we want what's best for Stanford and hopefully this budget will reflect that.

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Thank you, Tom.

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Thank you.

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Mary Lou.

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Yes, Jeff, please.

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I'll be brief because you did touch on it.

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But I just want to say that I also appreciate Mayor Simmons coming forward and recognizing the work that needs to still be done and asking for a collaboration.

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And so I just want to recognize that leadership.

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So thank you.

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OK.

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All right.

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So with that, let's go into the budget book.

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Now, as been our practice for all the time I've

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been on the Board of Finance, we take the Board of Education

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first.

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And I know that the Board of Ed has a meeting

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and Dr. Lucero will need to attend that.

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to accommodate her and to I'm sure address the the attention of many people around this

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call we will start with the Board of Education on page 360

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Richard.

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So I'd like to make a

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I'm back.

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Background. And then I want to explain how we got to the number.

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So the Board of Finance does not have some set of uniform rules that would apply to the Board of Ed budget every year.

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There have been years when the Board of Ed has gotten to 1% increase.

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There have been years when the Board of Ed has gotten over a 5% increase.

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I believe the last 2 years, the increase has been over 5%.

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So we take, we try and take into account what's happening in the Board of Ed budget.

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And I think there's a lot of expertise on this board in terms of the guts of the Board of Ed budget.

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And also, of course, we have to fit it into the rest of what's going on at the city at the time.

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And, for example, two years ago, the board of Ed hit its, what had been turned the cliff or the fiscal cliff that it had been talked about for several years.

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before it happened, and this board recognized, this board recognized that the board of

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Ed had put forth a pretty tight budget, and 5% was what it was, and I believe we made a

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pretty small cut that year, and they ended up with about a 5% increase. And so, you know, we

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We look at the situation as we're presented with it, and we don't apply some art and

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fast rule.

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So this year, let's start with the components of the cut.

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The superintendent came in at over 5%, we looked at the components of the cuts that she had made.

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She had determined that the district could make them without in her judgment impacting the education

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of the children. And so we started with the superintendents budget. So that's a 6.2 million dollar

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reduction. We've made other reductions in the amount of 2.3 million. We have reduced the

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budget by 1.6 million because that's the adjustments that were made for OPEB and the health

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I can't remember a year where those numbers were not revised downward after the board of

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it, set their budget this year was about 1.6 million, and then we understand from the

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mayor that there is a high likelihood that the state will provide additional funding,

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school funding to presumably all districts, certainly Stanford would be one of them, and based

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on the numbers that have been talked about, we believe that we will adjust what we don't

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want to happen is for because we're, because we're in a situation where the mayor came in close

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to 8%, what we don't want is a situation where the additional funding comes through after we

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the budget, and that would produce the surplus in the board of Ed budget, but would not let us

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adjust the mill rate to reflect that additional funding that comes in after we set the budget.

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This is a short session this year, so we don't know now what that potential revenue is,

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but we will know by the time we set the mill rate. So we've made an assumption of $2 million,

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That will be reduced from the board of ed budget if it comes through from the state in a greater amount the board of ed will take the balances surplus if it comes through in a lesser amount or it doesn't come through at all

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We will make the board of ed whole for that for that two million dollars up to two million dollars.

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So if you add all those numbers together,

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6.2 million, 2.3 million, 1.6 million,

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and 2 million, that's a $12.1 million reduction.

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I view that effectively is a $2.3 million reduction

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to the superintendents budget.

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I know that's not how it will be headlines

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in the newspaper, or talked about around town,

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but that's how I view it.

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And so I will move to make a 12.1 million dollar reduction to the board of the budget.

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Okay, is there a second?

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All second it.

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Okay. Discussion?

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Richard, could you maybe talk a little bit more about the two million again?

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Just kind of some of the steps, right?

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maybe make it a little bit simpler for some of us, so the actual reductions are

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10.1 million dollars, right? Those are those are the reductions.

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There's been a lot of press and there's been a lot of discussion in Hartford about providing

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additional school funding beyond what's being provided right now in the state budget,

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which I believe is no increase at all from last year.

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The, the,

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there've been total numbers talked about

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about 150 million at the state level.

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So we made an assumption that maybe two million of that

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will be coming our way.

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And do you think it's a conservative assumption?

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I believe that's a conservative assumption.

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Yes, if it does come through and we don't reduce the budget, then what will happen is it will end up coming directly to the board of ed.

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It will create a surplus in their budget for 2,02627 and we will not be able to use that money to offset the tax levee.

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If we take it out now, we can offset the tax levy, but of course we're running, there's always that chance that that money doesn't come through or that it comes through an lesser amount.

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And if it does, I'm making a commitment that we will make the board of ed, and I believe I speak for the rest of at least my caucus that we will make the board of ed full up to $2 million.

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So we will find the funds on the city side after the mill rate is said if that state funding does not come through.

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And is the state funding allocated to special education?

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It could be allocated in any number of ways.

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It could come through a special ed funding, it could come through and it could come through in the alliance grant.

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I think it's highly unlikely that it's going to come through directly in ECS, which would come directly to the city.

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I can't remember the last time our ECS number changed.

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But there's a number of different ways it could come through to the board of ed.

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I mean, we're indifferent to that.

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So we're indifferent is to what line it comes through to the board of ed.

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But the point is, it's almost, it's almost certain that if it comes through, it will come directly to the board of education and not to the city.

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All right, thank you.

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And the timing of this is estimated one if we haven't arranged.

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They have to, yeah, they have to decide by the end of the session.

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And I think the session ends the first,

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or it ends in the first or second week in May

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and we vote on the middle rate in the third week in May.

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So this happens to be one of,

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it's the every other year where we can actually contemplate

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something like this in a long session we could not.

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All right, thank you.

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And I think that's, you know, one of my comments

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is that we're really underfunded from a state level

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on many fronts. And we are trying to do as much as we can at a city level. And I, you know,

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I've been trying to emphasize that we need to, as a city, kind of speak out to the state

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and really push to have more. I really feel it. There's just putting us in a, in a, a, a

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appreciate the clarity. Thank you.

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And Richard, just so everybody understands some of the other cuts that we, that you mentioned,

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are really savings that we're already aware of.

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So savings in the health care, savings in other areas.

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So they're not really cuts. It's just reducing the budget to to actualize those savings.

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correct. 1.6 million. We were told when the Board of

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Ed came and presented to us that the their health care

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consultant and the city's actuary had recalculated the

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numbers for their OPEB contribution and their health insurance

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premium to the state partnership plan. I believe when their

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budget was set there was an estimate of 15% and I think the

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actual number ended up being closer to 12. And that 3%

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different propagated through the board of ed budget and created a 1.6 million dollar reduction

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in their cross charge and their direct charge, cross charge from the city for OPEB and direct

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charge from the state for the partnership plan, the health insurance plan. So that's just adjusting

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their budget to what they're actually going to be paying.

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Okay. Any other comments?

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All right,

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please go ahead. I was not quick enough on the Mike to do that. Yeah, I was just like to say now

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this is I guess my 14th Board of Ed budget seven on the Board of Ed to seven seven when

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you're in Board of Finance. And I think this is incredibly challenging and there will be very

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difficult decisions ahead. But I also think the magnitude of the reduction could have been greater.

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And so while many people have written to us and spoke eloquently at the public hearing about key initiatives.

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Those are going to be the decisions left to the Board of Ed to make those specific difficult decisions.

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And while I hope as many of those items can be in the next budget for the Board of Ed, I'll call out a few.

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I hope the athletic directors will be there.

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I hope music and the disruption for elementary.

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I hope our arts through our high school and our band.

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I hope others as well because there were some wonderfully

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eloquent people that spoke, but I think there's a recognition

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that this is the best we can do at this moment in time,

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given the challenges we've been faced with.

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So thank you.

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All right, so there is a motion on the floor,

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which has been seconded for a cut of $12.1 million to the budget of the Board of Ed.

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If there are no more speakers, we'll take it to a vote.

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Is anyone opposed to or abstaining from this motion?

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Okay, hearing none, then the motion carries unanimously.

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And the new number, Bill or Tony, is...

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With that 121, the board of ed would be three, five, nine, nine, seven, five, one, three, three.

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All right.

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Then we'll go back to the to the front of the book.

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And we'll start on page

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page 21, which is the director of administration page

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25.

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I'd like to just take something kind of collectively a little bit out of page order.

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Sure.

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The mayor has added a number of new positions to the budget and they were provided to us in a spreadsheet.

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And I think the most expeditious way to make these reductions is to do this in one group.

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So I'm going to list them. I'm going to list them by the page number.

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I think I have the page numbers right and the amounts.

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And when I'm done anyone on our boarder who wants to pull something off the list and have it voted on separately, just speak up.

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And that's what we'll do.

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But let me just get through the whole list first, page 120 program 2143 collections, collections

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driver 2, that would be, and this is all from full-time salaries, that would be 80,896 dollars.

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Page 253 program 3521 suppression firefighters, this is eight positions that would be a reduction of 529,440.

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Page 271 program 3810 Director of Health Epidemiologist, that's a reduction of 110,588.

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Page 277 program 3820 Public School Health Public Health and there's 142 weeks.

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That's a reduction of 78-84-4, page 295 program for 4010 legal department, a system court counsel. That's a reduction of 161-500.

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same page, same program, legal department,

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parallel legal.

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That's a reduction of 89632,

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page 301, program 4020,

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human resources, leave of absence administrator.

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That's a reduction of 98422,

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page 308, program 1200 economic development,

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project manager, reduction of 123803,

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25 program 2139 parking C traffic violations officer. They're actually two of these. And the total is 142 151 42 152. And I so move with the with the with what I said before, which is at this point anyone who wants to speak up about any of these

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individually we can take them up individually.

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All right, is there a second and then we can talk about it?

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All right, seconded by Laura. Okay, Tom.

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Yes, I move that we take out the the firefighters.

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And and talk about that separately and have a both separately.

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Okay.

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All right, so we'll move forward with everything else, but the, but the,

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But the firefighters. Yes. Um, so we ask something. Sure. Richard, can you please repeat

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the second one? I missed the 253 page 233 reduction in salaries for one. Was that one we're

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taking separately anyway. So it's it's 529440 that's the amount.

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Thank you. Any else?

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Okay, is there

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anyone opposed to or abstaining from this motion and we're taking all of those positions

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with the exception of the the eight firefighters are

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adhering none then that motion carries

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unanimously and we can move to program 3521 suppression firefighters this is for eight

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positions in the amount of 529,000 for 40. Comments? Tom? Yeah, yeah, yeah, thank you, Mary,

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though. Yeah, I, I wanted to, yeah, you pulled us out directly, because I, I think, when,

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I had a good meeting with Chief Morris about these eight firefighters, and I think this is going to

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a couple of things. I think it's going to, you know, because emergency activity is up, I think

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it's proven for us to add these firefighters. And, you know, when he's adding these firefighters,

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it's just not, he's just not adding people, he's adding people that are going to be interfacing

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with the, the public. Yeah, these are very specific job positions in the rescue company

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And I think they're public facing and it's just not adding administrative or anybody else or he just doesn't say adding people he's very specific and what these guys do and I think it's important that we we consider you know how the city has changed and the number of people in it.

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You know, from the, he talked a little bit about in the 1980s we had 38 firefighters assigned

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to downtown, and today we have that same exact number, and you're with, you know, structural

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fires going up over the course of the last 10 years, 30, some odd percent with some serious

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buyers, you know, increasing also over the course of time, that activity has gone up and I think

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we need to meet that demand. And you take that increase activity and then you look at the

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changes from downtown over the last 40 years or even 10 years. The downtown is infrastructure

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is completely different. There's much more complex. We've got high rises versus single building,

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single homes. And it's just much more complex and a much more difficult, particularly in an emergency.

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And as our city continues to grow, we get more people, more high rises, more traffic.

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You know, all the things that these firefighters have to contend with, I think it's prudent that we add these eight.

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new members of the firefighters. Because as I said, you know, Chief Morris has got a good plan

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and putting them right on the street directly supporting the people. And I know probably a better

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idea would be open up a new firehouse with all the equipment and the people to go along with that.

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But again, I credit Chief Morris with understanding the physical constraints of the city of Stanford

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and really kind of being creative in trying to reconcile the safety of its people with its fiscal

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limitations. And I think that's why that this is a, you know, a good way to do just that.

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And because we are continuing to grow, I just don't want to be left behind because if you don't

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pass it this year, we're going to have probably, you know, there are thousands to 3,000 more units

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on the market full of people that we're going to have to protect and we're not increasing our infrastructure and our support for them.

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So, so I'm I'm I'm for keeping this into the budget.

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Okay. Other comments?

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Jennifer?

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Thanks, Mary Lou.

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I just like to echo Tom's comments about continuing to

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to think forward-looking and really that this is more about the city of Stanford safety.

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And the positions that we did cut are, well, you know, it's hard to cut them.

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They are some office positions.

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And these are people that are out to try to save the city of Sanford.

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And the infrastructure is increasing.

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There's going to be 3,300 additional housing units.

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We know that for a fact or we know that's been proposed.

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And it's just a serious request for the city about safety.

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And what I wouldn't want is for us as a city to find out.

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And that this shows up when we really need it most,

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and placing the two men across the companies

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is a more economical way to, I think,

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provide that safety across the city.

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There was also one other mention that Chief Morris

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did make in his presentation,

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was about the IOS insurance rates,

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and if we don't keep up with those minimums

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that we do have a potential of having to pay more, which we obviously do not want to create another

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expense. So I think they were thoughtful in about managing what they can bring to this board

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from a cost perspective. So I would be very supportive of keeping this one in the budget this year,

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given that it's a public safety matter.

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Okay, thank you.

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Anyone else?

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All right, so Tom, do you,

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I guess we have to vote on a motion to Mary.

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I just want to make some very brief comments.

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Yeah.

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I also met with the chief and with the assistant chief

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robust, we had a very lively discussion.

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Public safety positions are always a very difficult decision.

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And what weighs quite heavily on me is the total cost.

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It's a very high bar for me to get over.

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What we have here in the book is just the salaries, but we know that we know that

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we know that public safety, we've seen the pension.

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We've seen the pension obligations for both public safety unions and their significant and I think what exacerbates that is the fact that the neither of those pension funds is particularly well managed and it makes it makes these kinds of decisions very difficult to make.

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So, I think the housing that's being added to the city is the safest kind of housing that there is.

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That's been demonstrated definitively, right?

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Part of modern apartment buildings are six times safer than single family homes.

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And so, I will not support keeping these positions in the budget.

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Okay. Anyone else?

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Okay. So, a motion was already made and seconded to make a cut to program 3521 suppression firefighters in the amount of 529,440. Is there anyone opposed to or of staining from this motion?

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Because the motion carries with a vote of four in favor and two opposed with no abstentions.

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Okay, we'll go to the book and we'll start on page 23 and we'll go through page 5 page and as you as you have as you want to make a motion just stop and and

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Let me know that you know what you want to do on that page, and we'll make the cuts on the pages with the purple headings.

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That's normally where we make the cuts. That's really the.

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Mary.

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My nice suggests that we if people we can skip pages, right?

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So, just who's got the lowest page number, call it out, and if we, someone makes a mistake and we skip them, we can always go back.

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Okay, all right.

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So I think that would be, that would be a lot of fun.

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Yeah, I think that would be a lot faster than paging through the book one at a time.

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Okay, all right, just pay attention, everyone.

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where you want to go. I have a reduction on page 32. Is there anyone with a page before that?

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Okay, so my motion is under salaries on page 32. It's a reduction of $45,000 for the payroll account.

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We understand that there may be some reorganizational changes in that department, and we're

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going to fund this position for half a year, and this way if there's new management coming

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into the payroll department, they will have a say in terms of the hiring of the payroll

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account.

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So, I move a cut to the salary account on page 32, the controllers office in the amount of $45,000.

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Is there a second, seconded by Jeff comments?

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Sorry, Mary Lou, you said there was new information about an organizational change.

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You know, we were told when they when they came before us that they were anticipating some some

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possible retirements and some changes in that department and we believe that having

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if there is going to be new management that that that individual has a say and you know who's going to get hired in this in this position.

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So we're going to fund it, but at half a year rather than the full salary for the full year.

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Laura?

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I just wanted to point out that this is a new position that we are adding to the budget at half a year.

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Okay.

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And it's based on feedback internally that the things are not being posted properly.

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payroll is a huge piece of the city budget, and we feel that it's critical that they have the

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resources to do it right. Right.

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Okay. It's been moved in seconded. Is there anyone opposed to

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or abstaining from this motion?

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Right. Hearing none, then the motion passes unanimously.

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Right. Moving on from page 32. Does anyone have a motion?

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I have 151,

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page 51. I would like to cut 200,000 from software maintenance.

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Is there a second?

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I'll second it.

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All right, comments,

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rationale.

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They didn't spend anything close to their full budget, or they're not going to be spending anything close to their full budget this year, Mrs. Fleer.

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Okay. So, it's been moved and seconded. Is there anyone opposed to or abstaining from this motion?

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then the motion passes unanimously.

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I have a motion on page 86 unless there's someone

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prior to that.

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Mary Lou. Yes, Jennifer. Page 71.

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We had under the program 1023

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or

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tax collection. We had two new positions here. Unless I was mistaken and it was already

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included in that larger sweep in the beginning.

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I wanted to make a motion

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to put that.

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Jan, I think those were reorganizations of departments. If you look on page 69 on the right

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And this is really confused things.

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It throws me out all the time.

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The Assistant Tax Collector moved from 10, 22.

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I'm sorry, from Assistant Director of Tax collection.

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And then Bill, you better do this.

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I'm missing it up.

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There were five solidations.

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I think there were two departments.

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And yeah, there were moves.

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There were a lot of moves in between revenue services

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and tax collection.

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So there's a lot of pluses and minuses

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00:47:05,550 --> 00:47:11,810
the net difference between the two call centers. I believe is only about like 30,000 or so.

438
00:47:13,250 --> 00:47:17,210
But there's no new positions being added. There's no new positions. No. Right.

439
00:47:17,810 --> 00:47:23,390
Okay. Thank you. And Jen, I understand where you're confused because the the manager of revenue

440
00:47:23,390 --> 00:47:29,710
services fail to come before us. So yeah, it wasn't here to explain it to us. It wasn't here.

441
00:47:29,710 --> 00:47:36,030
playing that shift and it looks like two new right so we're we were all a little confused so

442
00:47:37,290 --> 00:47:42,960
okay so do you want to withdraw that I will withdraw that motion then thank you

443
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:49,990
okay all right anything else before page 86

444
00:47:52,740 --> 00:47:57,360
okay I would like to make a motion then on page 86

445
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:07,360
to cut a 33,000 out of the seasonal account and that is the increase year over year.

446
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:19,200
Last year it was a $45,000 budget. It increased to 78,000 so we're just bringing it back to the $45,000 total.

447
00:48:19,980 --> 00:48:21,280
And I so move.

448
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:31,670
Is there a second? Seconded by Jeff? Okay. Is there any comments? If not, is there any

449
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:34,270
what opposed to or abstaining from this motion?

450
00:48:37,770 --> 00:48:40,990
Okay, hearing none, the motion has passed unanimously.

451
00:48:42,750 --> 00:48:47,750
I have one on page 87 on the same department.

452
00:48:48,970 --> 00:48:55,090
Under vehicle maintenance, I'd like to propose a cut of $200,000.

453
00:48:56,250 --> 00:49:02,690
This is the first year that all of the vehicle maintenance expenses are being consolidated into one department.

454
00:49:02,690 --> 00:49:14,730
And I had a discussion with the operations team that's managing that, and they feel that they will be able to manage to a $200,000 reduction.

455
00:49:15,970 --> 00:49:18,590
Okay, is there a second to Laura's motion?

456
00:49:21,850 --> 00:49:22,910
Seconded by Richard.

457
00:49:23,650 --> 00:49:25,410
Okay, any other comments?

458
00:49:28,980 --> 00:49:29,740
All right, hearing none.

459
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:30,700
We'll take it to a vote.

460
00:49:30,940 --> 00:49:34,420
Is there any one opposed to or a standing from this motion?

461
00:49:36,550 --> 00:49:37,590
All right, hearing none.

462
00:49:37,590 --> 00:49:39,550
that passes unanimously.

463
00:49:41,710 --> 00:49:41,890
Okay,

464
00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:50,170
next page is very low. I have something on 94, unless someone has something before that.

465
00:49:51,630 --> 00:49:51,770
Okay.

466
00:49:53,470 --> 00:49:53,930
That's,

467
00:49:54,410 --> 00:49:55,110
well,

468
00:49:55,930 --> 00:49:57,610
137 Henry Street.

469
00:49:59,450 --> 00:50:07,050
Contracted services security line that line was going up approximately 140,000 dollars this year.

470
00:50:07,050 --> 00:50:22,210
And that was to dramatically increase the time that facility is open, so I'm going to propose a $100,000 cut to that which still provides more resources than they previously had the prior year.

471
00:50:23,290 --> 00:50:24,130
So I so moved that.

472
00:50:25,010 --> 00:50:26,690
Okay, is there a second to that motion?

473
00:50:28,570 --> 00:50:29,910
All right, seconded by Jennifer.

474
00:50:31,470 --> 00:50:34,090
All right, any comments or questions?

475
00:50:35,630 --> 00:50:38,610
All right, hearing none, then we'll take it to a vote.

476
00:50:38,970 --> 00:50:41,870
Is there anyone opposed to or of standing from this motion?

477
00:50:44,420 --> 00:50:46,400
All right, then the motion is carried unanimously.

478
00:50:48,180 --> 00:50:50,260
Okay, next pages.

479
00:50:58,100 --> 00:50:59,600
I have something on 100.

480
00:51:01,380 --> 00:51:01,980
Okay,

481
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:11,400
30,000 dollar reduction to contracted services, ground maintenance,

482
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,120
That's the amount of the increase.

483
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,520
So that takes it back to last year.

484
00:51:21,580 --> 00:51:21,960
All right.

485
00:51:22,140 --> 00:51:23,920
Is there a second to that motion?

486
00:51:26,490 --> 00:51:27,570
Seconded by Laura.

487
00:51:29,590 --> 00:51:30,590
Comments and questions.

488
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:34,870
I thought that 30,000 was for the snow removal.

489
00:51:38,670 --> 00:51:40,550
And why are we cutting it?

490
00:51:42,660 --> 00:51:47,060
I thought that was for law and flowers.

491
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,280
No, that's it's snow removal.

492
00:51:49,280 --> 00:52:08,580
I guess the reason that we're cutting it is that we're spending $70,000 to remove snow from a garage and I think that the city's got to look at that garage and figure out a different way to get the snow out.

493
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:19,180
In the year prior, they spent $40,000 to remove the snow and it's just, it's not a sustainable number.

494
00:52:19,340 --> 00:52:23,500
I don't know whether it needs to be bit out or a different method used.

495
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:32,280
I know the plows can't get in the garage, but maybe we need to buy a snow removal equipment and have someone come over and do it.

496
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:39,320
don't know but it just seemed like it was ballooning and that there needs to be someone to

497
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,520
look at that and figure out a better way.

498
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,780
And it's not related to the expenses related to

499
00:52:47,780 --> 00:52:55,260
the salt and what we needed for the city. No. All right.

500
00:52:58,090 --> 00:53:00,530
It's been moved and seconded. Are there

501
00:53:00,530 --> 00:53:01,510
any other comments?

502
00:53:04,460 --> 00:53:05,800
All right. Hearing none

503
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,700
is there anyone opposed to or abstaining from

504
00:53:12,700 --> 00:53:22,510
this motion. I love staying. All right, so it's the motion is carried with five in favor and one of

505
00:53:22,510 --> 00:53:29,610
extension. Okay. Moving on from page 100.

506
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:37,080
Sorry about that. I'm juggling hundreds.

507
00:53:41,180 --> 00:53:42,640
And that's

508
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,900
on page 178.

509
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:55,450
Okay, so there anything before that? If not, we'll go to page 178.

510
00:53:58,780 --> 00:53:59,380
Go ahead, Laura.

511
00:54:00,340 --> 00:54:09,360
I would like to cut, you know, the second sort of the back. 117,961 dollars.

512
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,860
Okay, and that is for, that's out of salaries.

513
00:54:15,860 --> 00:54:21,240
that's our salaries, that would be the new position of the urban forester.

514
00:54:27,720 --> 00:54:37,660
And there is money in the existing budget for, I believe, a tree maintenance person.

515
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:40,380
And I think that,

516
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,080
I'm sorry, Elded, did you have to,

517
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:50,520
Yeah, I just want to follow. She can repeat the number again. Sure. One hundred thousand.

518
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:57,380
One hundred seventeen thousand nine hundred sixty one dollars. It's equivalent to the salary for the urban

519
00:54:58,180 --> 00:55:05,300
forester. Thank you, Mom. I don't know if we was second Mary love happy to talk about it. I'll second it.

520
00:55:05,420 --> 00:55:13,500
Go ahead. There is the reduction of a tree maintenance specialist and to the extent that the city

521
00:55:13,500 --> 00:55:19,860
that that physician is necessary. I encourage them to come back for an appropriation for it.

522
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:28,100
The concern that I have is that a lot of the services and urban foresters can provide

523
00:55:28,100 --> 00:55:35,800
can be provided by outside contractors at minimal to no charge. If a company is coming to spray

524
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:42,280
a tree for disease, they will diagnose it for you if you pay for the treatment for the disease.

525
00:55:43,060 --> 00:55:52,080
If a company is coming to plant a new tree or to sell us a new tree, they can advise us as to which trees are necessary to be purchased.

526
00:55:52,860 --> 00:55:58,120
So I'm just thinking that some of these could be outsourced at little to no cost for the city.

527
00:55:59,620 --> 00:56:01,400
And so that's the rationale for the cut.

528
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:12,520
Okay? But if they need someone to actually do the work that we would consider,

529
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:19,520
we would consider an appropriation to fund a tree maintenance specialist.

530
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:20,100
Correct.

531
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,340
Okay. Any other comments?

532
00:56:26,780 --> 00:56:29,560
All right. Then we'll take it to a vote. Is there anyone opposed

533
00:56:31,580 --> 00:56:37,520
to

534
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:41,520
61 on page 178.

535
00:56:42,940 --> 00:56:43,180
All right.

536
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:51,900
I have one very new on page 204 unless anyone has one prior to that.

537
00:56:55,220 --> 00:56:58,120
204, that's operations administration.

538
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:00,260
Correct.

539
00:57:03,950 --> 00:57:04,890
Go ahead, Laura, please.

540
00:57:05,090 --> 00:57:10,750
Yeah, I've got to take out a stipend of $21, $22,165.

541
00:57:12,070 --> 00:57:20,850
And that is associated with the, with the deputy director of operations who has been running

542
00:57:20,850 --> 00:57:27,130
vehicle maintenance, additional work outside of the job description, since we're hiring

543
00:57:27,130 --> 00:57:33,010
for vehicle maintenance that positions posted my understanding is that they're being interviewed

544
00:57:33,010 --> 00:57:38,830
for my expectation is that by the start of the fiscal year we would have a person in place

545
00:57:38,830 --> 00:57:40,390
and that will no longer be necessary.

546
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:45,960
Okay, is there a second to that motion?

547
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:50,680
The seconded by Richard?

548
00:57:51,820 --> 00:57:53,440
Okay, any other comments?

549
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:54,760
Questions?

550
00:57:58,080 --> 00:57:59,940
All right, hearing on, we'll take it to a vote.

551
00:57:59,940 --> 00:58:03,380
Is there anyone opposed to, or abstaining from this motion?

552
00:58:06,220 --> 00:58:07,500
Then the motion is carried.

553
00:58:08,620 --> 00:58:12,860
Really quick, is that about 22, 165?

554
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,480
Yes, 22, 22, 22, 22, 25.

555
00:58:16,740 --> 00:58:17,440
Thank you.

556
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:24,500
Okay, I have one on page 221

557
00:58:31,450 --> 00:58:41,390
and this is a bottom line cut to public safety health and welfare the police department.

558
00:58:44,330 --> 00:58:52,950
I'd like to propose a cut of $250,000 as a bottom line cut to be applied however the police department wishes.

559
00:58:55,090 --> 00:59:15,470
My rationale is this is a $50 million, $400 and $3,000 budget and I'm confident that they can absorb this cut and still provide the services that we expect.

560
00:59:17,420 --> 00:59:19,320
Is there a second?

561
00:59:25,260 --> 00:59:31,100
Seconded by Jeff. Is there anyone who wishes to comment further?

562
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:38,320
If not, then we'll take it to a vote. Is there anyone opposed to or abstaining from this motion?

563
00:59:42,770 --> 00:59:44,690
Okay, hearing none, then the motion is carried.

564
00:59:49,740 --> 00:59:59,980
Okay. If there aren't any other motions prior to that on page 244, I'd like to propose.

565
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:26,420
Who's a $250,000 bottom line cut to public safety health and welfare, the fire department. Again, this is a $51,668,000 budget. And I'm confident that the department can absorb this cut very easily. Is there a second to the motion?

566
01:00:27,060 --> 01:00:29,060
Mary, did you say what the cut was?

567
01:00:29,500 --> 01:00:30,580
Yes, $250,000.

568
01:00:31,460 --> 01:00:32,900
The same is the police department.

569
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:34,760
Our second.

570
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:36,380
Okay.

571
01:00:36,660 --> 01:00:38,420
It's been moved in second it.

572
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:40,920
Comments, questions.

573
01:00:44,490 --> 01:00:46,590
All right, hearing none, then we'll take it to a vote.

574
01:00:47,350 --> 01:00:50,130
Is there any way to pose to abstaining from this motion?

575
01:00:51,790 --> 01:00:52,950
I will abstain.

576
01:00:53,510 --> 01:00:53,770
All right.

577
01:00:54,470 --> 01:00:57,610
So the motion is carried with five in favor with one of

578
01:00:57,610 --> 01:01:06,510
attention. Okay, moving along. Very little. I have something on 200 and 90 and less

579
01:01:06,510 --> 01:01:08,730
someone has anything before then.

580
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:18,420
290 Health Department Programme 3910 Human Services,

581
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:26,220
the Emergency Shelter line. We certainly heard about the dramatic increase in demand for

582
01:01:26,220 --> 01:01:38,180
emergency shelters. And very sensitive to that. It shows an increase of $310,000. So I'm going to propose a $50,000

583
01:01:38,180 --> 01:01:51,980
coverage, hopefully provides still very meaningful increases to that line and should anything exceed that. Certainly, I'm sure the board will consider additional funds down the road.

584
01:01:51,980 --> 01:01:53,980
So I'll move that.

585
01:01:55,020 --> 01:01:55,140
Okay.

586
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:56,280
Is there a second?

587
01:01:58,580 --> 01:01:59,020
All right.

588
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:00,240
Seconded by Richard.

589
01:02:01,300 --> 01:02:02,420
Questions, comments?

590
01:02:05,850 --> 01:02:06,190
All right.

591
01:02:06,570 --> 01:02:07,270
Seeing none.

592
01:02:07,770 --> 01:02:08,930
We'll take it to a vote.

593
01:02:09,490 --> 01:02:12,430
Is there any one opposed to abstaining from this motion?

594
01:02:15,500 --> 01:02:15,700
All right.

595
01:02:15,700 --> 01:02:16,420
Hearing none.

596
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:17,920
And then it passes unanimously.

597
01:02:21,180 --> 01:02:24,100
On page 326.

598
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:27,740
Unless there's something before that.

599
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:31,380
Okay.

600
01:02:31,380 --> 01:02:39,120
this is a budget close to my heart, this is the Board of Finance. Originally, I had requested

601
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:50,600
an additional $125,000 on the professional consultants audit line because we had exceeded

602
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:58,740
the cost of the budget by a million dollars. But hearing that we are more on track in terms

603
01:02:58,740 --> 01:03:06,960
finishing the budget, the audit's on time and with less cost, I'm going to make a motion

604
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:12,960
that we cut a hundred thousand dollars out of this account. That still leaves the money to pay

605
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:20,560
for the outside auditors. It's actually higher than last year and I think that the control is

606
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:27,800
department can get this done at the lesser cost. And I so move. Is there a second?

607
01:03:30,380 --> 01:03:31,160
It's been

608
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:40,320
seconded by Jen. Questions, comments? Is there anyone opposed to abstaining from this motion?

609
01:03:42,500 --> 01:03:49,100
Okay, then the motion has carried unanimously. Okay. Next.

610
01:03:51,050 --> 01:03:56,430
Very low I have something on 349 unless someone has anything to buy.

611
01:03:57,210 --> 01:04:00,370
I have something on 331 or 330.

612
01:04:06,170 --> 01:04:08,690
Program 5050 is just the town clerk.

613
01:04:11,310 --> 01:04:17,550
I like to make a motion to make a bottom line cut of $50,000.

614
01:04:17,550 --> 01:04:29,530
It's looking at the total sum of the requests for this year, running up about 156,000.

615
01:04:29,930 --> 01:04:36,790
And I know there's a lot to be done, but there's a few projects that I'm hoping that

616
01:04:36,790 --> 01:04:48,410
be extended over a longer period of time or into another year, just to continue to save some

617
01:04:48,410 --> 01:04:49,950
money in here.

618
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:58,010
So again, I'd like to make a motion for a $50,000 cut bottom line.

619
01:04:58,010 --> 01:05:04,930
Is there a second, all right, seconded by Tom, discussion?

620
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:10,380
Laura?

621
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:15,920
Jen, I appreciate you looking at this.

622
01:05:16,380 --> 01:05:21,650
And I'd like to modify your request down to 25,000.

623
01:05:22,660 --> 01:05:27,160
The only reason I'm modifying it down is that it is an election year.

624
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:33,200
it's a gubernatorial election and I know they do a lot of work getting ballots out and I don't

625
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:44,740
know they may need some of that money to ensure a smooth election. So I'm proposing a lesser cut.

626
01:05:46,870 --> 01:05:51,950
Okay, is there a second to the amended motion? Seconded by Richard?

627
01:05:51,950 --> 01:05:56,050
All right, any other questions or comments?

628
01:05:57,770 --> 01:06:01,450
All right, hearing none, then we'll take a vote on the amended motion.

629
01:06:02,250 --> 01:06:09,450
So the motion is to make a $25,000 bottom line cut to the town in city clerk.

630
01:06:10,430 --> 01:06:14,110
Is there any one opposed to or of stating from this motion?

631
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:17,920
Okay, then the motion is carried unanimously.

632
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:21,320
Okay.

633
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:27,620
Moving forward to the next proposed page.

634
01:06:30,420 --> 01:06:35,880
Mary, though, I think I was back on 349 unless someone has anything else.

635
01:06:38,150 --> 01:06:41,010
And that is the community grants.

636
01:06:43,020 --> 01:06:51,370
Under Youth Services, it looks like a dramatic 100% increase to these services core.

637
01:06:51,370 --> 01:06:58,990
while that's something I program I support. This is unfortunately not a year we can double that.

638
01:06:59,430 --> 01:07:05,350
So I proposed to bring it back down to where it was last year at $100,000. So I so moved that.

639
01:07:06,530 --> 01:07:07,910
Okay, is there a second?

640
01:07:09,940 --> 01:07:14,340
All seconded. Jeff, I'm sorry. You you're cutting.

641
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:20,260
Yeah. Yes. The line nine I might believe the mayor proposed. Oh, you're cutting the 200

642
01:07:20,260 --> 01:07:25,740
of the mayor got it. Thank you. Yeah, it's going to 100 from 200,000. Thank you. Yeah,

643
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:30,320
not about 100,000. Okay, questions, comments.

644
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,600
All right, hearing none. We'll take it to a

645
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:38,680
vote. Is there anyone opposed to abstaining from this motion?

646
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:43,680
Okay, then that passes unanimously as

647
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:47,960
Okay. Next.

648
01:07:51,870 --> 01:07:57,990
On 350, which is the cultural and environmental

649
01:07:57,990 --> 01:08:00,750
non-city agencies.

650
01:08:01,470 --> 01:08:09,770
I'd like to handle this the same way as the

651
01:08:11,010 --> 01:08:16,230
position reductions, which is that I will read a list of proposed cuts.

652
01:08:16,810 --> 01:08:22,890
If anyone wants to pull something off a list and discuss it and vote on it separately,

653
01:08:23,590 --> 01:08:25,230
just speak up when I'm done.

654
01:08:27,190 --> 01:08:29,590
We looked at this page quite closely.

655
01:08:29,950 --> 01:08:30,970
We always do.

656
01:08:31,310 --> 01:08:34,530
We did not apply a uniform rule.

657
01:08:34,710 --> 01:08:36,050
We looked at every line.

658
01:08:36,730 --> 01:08:46,290
In some cases we left the increase and some cases we remove the increase in some cases we reduce the increase.

659
01:08:47,910 --> 01:08:51,010
So let me start from the top and I will read these.

660
01:08:51,110 --> 01:08:54,650
I think this is an order of how they appear in the book.

661
01:08:55,930 --> 01:09:02,310
Richard, if I may ask, if you can just read them slow, so I can never change them.

662
01:09:02,310 --> 01:09:04,370
I will read them slowly.

663
01:09:06,950 --> 01:09:10,450
Ferguson Library Reduction of 100,000.

664
01:09:13,310 --> 01:09:17,350
Person to person 10,000, these are all reductions.

665
01:09:19,150 --> 01:09:23,730
Stanford Museum, 56 to 80,

666
01:09:26,940 --> 01:09:28,740
and just stop me if I'm going too fast.

667
01:09:28,740 --> 01:09:32,040
Stanford Historical Society 2000

668
01:09:34,540 --> 01:09:39,200
DSSD 20,000

669
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:48,590
Multicultural Council 400 United Way of Coast

670
01:09:48,590 --> 01:09:51,130
on the Western Connecticut 680

671
01:09:53,630 --> 01:09:58,390
Boys and Girls Club Yearwood Center 25,000

672
01:10:00,890 --> 01:10:01,930
Stanford Partnership

673
01:10:03,050 --> 01:10:09,430
1800, Stanford Arts and Culture Grant 8000,

674
01:10:11,620 --> 01:10:13,220
Lumos 2020,

675
01:10:16,290 --> 01:10:18,150
Stanford Center for the Arts 2,000,

676
01:10:21,110 --> 01:10:26,230
Neighborhood Community Grants, 3210,

677
01:10:28,330 --> 01:10:31,370
88 Advisory Council 433,

678
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:37,220
St Joseph Parenting Center 10,000,

679
01:10:37,220 --> 01:10:37,560
and

680
01:10:39,670 --> 01:10:42,750
sound waters 3640,

681
01:10:45,890 --> 01:10:56,610
Mary C. Rich Clubhouse 25,000, CLC 50,000, building one communities,

682
01:10:57,090 --> 01:10:57,630
1800,

683
01:11:00,660 --> 01:11:03,660
my architecture workshops, 400,

684
01:11:07,070 --> 01:11:08,530
family centers, 400,

685
01:11:11,500 --> 01:11:12,840
corners, 400,

686
01:11:15,490 --> 01:11:16,670
row and center of

687
01:11:16,670 --> 01:11:17,130
and

688
01:11:19,310 --> 01:11:25,350
future five, a thousand, and I still move.

689
01:11:26,490 --> 01:11:28,970
All right, is there a second to that motion?

690
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:33,940
All right, seconded by Laura.

691
01:11:35,060 --> 01:11:35,760
All right, discussion.

692
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:38,580
Am I allowed to make a motion?

693
01:11:39,060 --> 01:11:40,360
Very low.

694
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:43,260
If you just want to pull something off a list,

695
01:11:43,460 --> 01:11:45,240
it will take it separately.

696
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:47,020
Great, thank you.

697
01:11:47,220 --> 01:11:48,900
I'd like to pull off the list,

698
01:11:48,900 --> 01:11:59,040
It's a Boys and Girls Club year with center, which is 581897, and then the Mary Rich Club

699
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:06,020
House team center, which is 581939, separately we could.

700
01:12:06,860 --> 01:12:13,220
All right, so the Boys and Girls Club is 25,000, and the Mary's Sea Rich Club House

701
01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:15,260
is also 25,000.

702
01:12:15,500 --> 01:12:15,740
Correct.

703
01:12:16,440 --> 01:12:16,700
Correct.

704
01:12:16,700 --> 01:12:22,940
all right so let's let's vote on everything else and then we'll come back to those two.

705
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:30,120
So with the exception of those two items, is there anyone opposed to

706
01:12:31,020 --> 01:12:32,720
abstaining from this motion?

707
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:43,880
Okay, okay hearing none, then it passes unanimously. Let's go back to

708
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:58,880
Yeah, so I know I'm keeping track of the list do we have a total there's Richard you have a sum total of yeah I can give you a sum total without those two

709
01:12:58,880 --> 01:12:59,540
Yeah.

710
01:13:00,500 --> 01:13:01,940
I see it.

711
01:13:04,340 --> 01:13:05,020
274463.

712
01:13:05,020 --> 01:13:06,880
So when you have bill.

713
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:09,180
274463.

714
01:13:09,740 --> 01:13:09,800
Yes.

715
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:10,240
Okay.

716
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:11,020
Okay.

717
01:13:11,660 --> 01:13:12,540
That's what it is.

718
01:13:12,540 --> 01:13:12,900
Thank you.

719
01:13:12,900 --> 01:13:17,640
And Richard, I would like the first five cuts that you read.

720
01:13:17,780 --> 01:13:19,440
If you can repeat it again, please.

721
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:21,320
Sure.

722
01:13:21,980 --> 01:13:23,880
Ferguson Library 100,000.

723
01:13:26,150 --> 01:13:26,510
Got it.

724
01:13:26,510 --> 01:13:29,090
First and the person 10,000.

725
01:13:32,410 --> 01:13:35,730
Stamford Museum 56 to 80,

726
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:42,380
Stamford Historical Society 2000,

727
01:13:46,270 --> 01:13:48,710
DSSD 20,000.

728
01:13:50,030 --> 01:13:50,910
What's the first two?

729
01:13:51,050 --> 01:13:51,710
Thank you.

730
01:13:52,630 --> 01:13:53,090
Thank you.

731
01:14:01,430 --> 01:14:01,810
Okay.

732
01:14:02,450 --> 01:14:06,550
So I guess I'd like to make a motion to.

733
01:14:06,710 --> 01:14:09,450
We voted on everything else, right?

734
01:14:09,450 --> 01:14:16,730
Correct. Yeah. So now we'll go ahead and talk about the boys and girls club first. Okay.

735
01:14:17,890 --> 01:14:26,590
I'd like to make a motion to keep this at their initial request and not cut.

736
01:14:27,830 --> 01:14:35,990
And these two are actually, while they're separate, but they're both for the same program.

737
01:14:37,590 --> 01:14:44,030
for that what they're requesting and the total request is the 100K between the two of them

738
01:14:44,030 --> 01:14:52,450
50 each and I just wanted to show the support for that this is not just another enhancement

739
01:14:52,450 --> 01:14:59,970
on another program that this is actually being directed toward a very

740
01:15:01,820 --> 01:15:13,760
Specific solution to a capacity problem with the Boys and Girls Club. They have a current weight list of 100 families that they're trying to support.

741
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:24,580
And the list is currently existing and they're really trying to solve this problem of where to put these 100 families, these 100 children.

742
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:31,460
They have committed to do a one-to-one match, so they're only asking for the 100.

743
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:36,440
Again, between the two of them, and they're looking to go raise the other 100.

744
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:45,240
Their proposal is that they're going to partner with the police at the PAL Center,

745
01:15:45,420 --> 01:15:48,140
which is located in the Southwood Square.

746
01:15:48,140 --> 01:15:56,100
So this is already existing building that already has an after school program, but is not completely filled.

747
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:14,140
And with the brand name of the Boys and Girls Club coming in and partnering with the police and partnering with this building to be able to take in this additional 100 families or children that need both the after school.

748
01:16:14,140 --> 01:16:33,260
You know, after school assistance, especially to give them structure, to give them an opportunity to, you know, be somewhere safe, because we know after school care is probably one of the hardest care in the city with all of us working parents.

749
01:16:33,940 --> 01:16:43,020
And so having a place for for your kids to go is especially when it's run by the boys and girls club, knowing that they do a lot of support around.

750
01:16:43,020 --> 01:16:52,840
different community actions, and I really would like the board to think about how they are

751
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:58,480
trying to initiate this program immediately and what these funds they can immediately

752
01:16:58,480 --> 01:17:04,240
take in another hundred kids right away this summer. And the funds are going to go to

753
01:17:04,620 --> 01:17:11,380
obviously some of the staff part-time, one full-time, and keeping the program running.

754
01:17:13,020 --> 01:17:20,160
So my motion is to keep both the 50 for the Boys and Girls Club and the 50 for the

755
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:23,840
Mary Rich program even though they're listed separately.

756
01:17:24,660 --> 01:17:27,240
It's all for the one program.

757
01:17:28,060 --> 01:17:33,280
So Jen, the item is already there, so you can't make a motion to keep it.

758
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:40,260
So what we have to do, so we'll vote on the original motion to cut, okay, and then obviously

759
01:17:40,260 --> 01:17:49,810
you if you're against that you vote against the cut. Okay. Okay, does that make sense? Does that make sense? Yes. Yes. Yes. No,

760
01:17:49,810 --> 01:17:57,270
I think flopped up on the screen. I had a look. Okay. Okay. All right. All right. So we're going back to the

761
01:17:57,270 --> 01:18:05,790
original motion, which is a $25,000 cut to the boys and girls club, your would center and a $25,000

762
01:18:05,790 --> 01:18:09,410
cut to the Mary C. Rich Club House.

763
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:13,960
Okay, and it had been moved and seconded, Laura.

764
01:18:15,580 --> 01:18:20,480
Jen, I completely appreciate all of your sentiments about the Boys and Girls Club,

765
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:26,860
their phenomenal organization, as is every single organization on this list that we've cut,

766
01:18:27,060 --> 01:18:33,640
and I think this has been extremely hard for us to go down and to make these kinds of cuts,

767
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:39,440
knowing the people that they serve, the good work that they do, and the need in the community.

768
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:45,360
But when I look at Boys and Girls Club, combined between the Yearwood Center and the Mary

769
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:55,120
Sea Rich Club House, we are funding $400,000. It's a $50,000 cut between the two of them.

770
01:18:55,340 --> 01:19:00,860
And considering all of the cuts that have been to all the other organizations, I hate to

771
01:19:00,860 --> 01:19:08,800
every single of these cuts, but unfortunately to get to a tax rate that we think is or that

772
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:15,480
I think is high, but feasible, they have to come from somewhere. And the other option would

773
01:19:15,480 --> 01:19:22,520
be to cut city services, which I think would be harder on many people. And again, these have

774
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:29,460
been gut-wrenching decisions, especially with these organizations. So I fully appreciate what you're

775
01:19:29,460 --> 01:19:32,220
saying, but I'm going to support the original cut.

776
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:36,180
You know, Richard, Richard, I'm sorry. Go ahead.

777
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:42,140
I was just going to say, I, I, I understand, and this was a very difficult one

778
01:19:42,140 --> 01:19:47,340
seeing all the cuts for all of the, not for profit organizations.

779
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:54,680
And I really tried to look in other places of where we could cut back.

780
01:19:54,680 --> 01:20:22,360
And I felt that we could, you know, support some of these initiatives and knowing, and again, I don't want to cut any of these either your sentiment Laura, but knowing the initiative that this is right on our doorstep, I felt it was something we could, that it could take on today, given that we've given that we've done so many other cuts.

781
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:25,120
So, but I appreciate your comments.

782
01:20:26,540 --> 01:20:32,220
So Richard may remember this because he was around, I think, when it happened, the Mary

783
01:20:32,220 --> 01:20:42,260
C. Richard Clubhouse started as a $25,000 private donation by the Rich family.

784
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:54,940
And several years later, I mean, the request is, you know, $225,000, almost $226,000.

785
01:20:55,820 --> 01:20:58,360
And this is what happens in the city.

786
01:20:58,660 --> 01:21:04,780
We start out with a program and before you know it, it's running into the hundreds of thousands.

787
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:11,860
So I think that we are very supportive of the voice and girl's club, as a matter of

788
01:21:11,860 --> 01:21:20,780
we just gave them $175,000 at the meeting last week to do a playground. So I think we have shown

789
01:21:20,780 --> 01:21:30,340
our support for the work that they do, but I'm in favor of retaining the cuts as was motioned.

790
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:41,540
All right. Anyone else? Yeah, just to just follow up on some of the comments. Yeah, you know,

791
01:21:41,540 --> 01:21:45,220
It's a great place that has a lot of potential.

792
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:49,020
And that's why I'm really hesitant to take any money

793
01:21:49,020 --> 01:21:50,780
as a way from there, budget.

794
01:21:53,220 --> 01:21:56,180
So I've talked to a number of people about this.

795
01:21:56,480 --> 01:22:01,180
And I would love to keep it intact also to move forward.

796
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:05,860
OK, anybody else?

797
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:09,480
Yeah, Mary Lou, I'll just interject here.

798
01:22:09,480 --> 01:22:19,320
I'm really supportive of this organization and I won't belabor that this comic could go anywhere

799
01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:25,340
this evening, but we were to miss it, I didn't bring it up specifically around this page

800
01:22:25,340 --> 01:22:30,100
that we're dealing with so many of these organizations or organizations I would love to support

801
01:22:30,100 --> 01:22:36,580
more fully. And when you look at the comment, I believe Richard made it, but you know, just

802
01:22:38,780 --> 01:22:44,080
pension shortfalls. I think it was north of eight million dollars this year out of the city

803
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:49,760
operating budget, maybe closer to nine million. Just imagine if our pension management was

804
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:56,640
on track and we didn't have to divert that eight or nine million dollars from the operating

805
01:22:56,640 --> 01:23:05,000
budget just to meet the amortized shortfalls, how much more we could do with that money on an

806
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:13,280
basis. I know it's a problem we all are wrestling with, but I just thought I'd bring that up here.

807
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:20,160
It's not that I'm not supportive. I wish we could do more. Thanks. Okay.

808
01:23:21,940 --> 01:23:25,720
All right, so there is a motion on the floor.

809
01:23:26,980 --> 01:23:30,640
I'm sorry. I'll reach it. I'm sorry, please.

810
01:23:33,100 --> 01:23:44,260
I'd like to offer a friendly amendment to reduce the cut from 25,000 to 15,000 for each

811
01:23:44,260 --> 01:23:45,060
of these two.

812
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:53,100
So instead of a total kind of 50,000, it would be a total kind of 15,000, instead of 50,000,

813
01:23:53,140 --> 01:23:55,720
it would be a total kind of 30,000.

814
01:23:57,970 --> 01:23:59,090
And I so moved.

815
01:23:59,090 --> 01:24:05,730
So for just to be clear, so I can, for me, the notes, it's a Mary Bridge Club House

816
01:24:05,730 --> 01:24:15,270
in center, 15,000, and then boys and girls club, 15,000, okay, thank you.

817
01:24:15,910 --> 01:24:18,970
All right, is there a second to the amended motion?

818
01:24:20,250 --> 01:24:25,330
All right, seconded by Jennifer. All right, any other comments?

819
01:24:26,330 --> 01:24:31,990
All right, is there anyone opposed to or abstaining from that motion,

820
01:24:34,860 --> 01:24:37,420
all right, then the motion has carried unanimously?

821
01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:49,300
I would just like to go back to page 343, just to kind of put a point on Jeff's comment.

822
01:24:52,050 --> 01:25:08,970
As this board knows, every year for the past five or six years, we've had the pension boards that the Board of Trustees come in and we hear from the actuary about the performance of the various pension funds.

823
01:25:08,970 --> 01:25:22,230
And every year we have issues around the police and fire pension fund, because it seems to be underperforming every year.

824
01:25:24,010 --> 01:25:31,330
The fire pension fund we now have to put in an additional 4,486,

825
01:25:31,330 --> 01:25:39,350
in 146 because the fund is just not performing at a level that it should be.

826
01:25:39,610 --> 01:25:44,830
So the city has to kick in money to prop up the fund.

827
01:25:45,050 --> 01:25:48,070
The same with the police department, their pension fund.

828
01:25:48,370 --> 01:25:54,570
We have to kick in another 5,120,000, 190,000.

829
01:25:54,690 --> 01:26:01,050
I mean, that's over $9 million right there that I agree with Jeff.

830
01:26:01,050 --> 01:26:04,770
We could have used for a myriad of other things.

831
01:26:05,230 --> 01:26:10,050
And instead, if these pension funds were managed better,

832
01:26:10,610 --> 01:26:15,330
we would have those excess funds to do other things in the city.

833
01:26:16,550 --> 01:26:19,970
And we have, it's a cautionary tale every year

834
01:26:19,970 --> 01:26:22,810
to the trustees of those two pension funds.

835
01:26:22,990 --> 01:26:26,850
And I hope that our concerns are heard

836
01:26:26,850 --> 01:26:30,530
and that some changes are made as quickly as possible.

837
01:26:32,390 --> 01:26:35,050
Okay, and all by the way, this board

838
01:26:36,330 --> 01:26:38,950
certainly considered a cut to these pensions,

839
01:26:40,250 --> 01:26:42,990
but we thought it wouldn't be fair to the retirees,

840
01:26:43,510 --> 01:26:45,610
but believe me, it did cross our mind

841
01:26:45,610 --> 01:26:47,810
because we were very concerned about

842
01:26:47,810 --> 01:26:51,330
the status of the fire in police pension fund.

843
01:26:52,430 --> 01:26:52,610
Okay.

844
01:26:54,250 --> 01:26:55,450
Moving on.

845
01:26:56,980 --> 01:27:00,640
Jennifer and Mary Lou. Jennifer, yes.

846
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:09,120
I did thank you and I don't want to talk too much on this and I

847
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:15,460
I think I just want to speak for I you've talked about the fire pension and the police

848
01:27:15,460 --> 01:27:27,060
pension being so expensive and I think we just make it to realize the difference between

849
01:27:28,220 --> 01:27:34,240
what the fire and the police do versus what the custodians and the teachers do and that pension

850
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:45,340
is there because what the fire and the police have to risk their lives to do is they need those benefits

851
01:27:45,460 --> 01:27:52,260
for those future years, you know, they're coming on to the departments, and they're staying

852
01:27:52,260 --> 01:27:58,940
there 30 years, they're paying in, and while they might be higher, and I don't think the

853
01:27:58,940 --> 01:28:06,920
performance is terrible, it is a higher pension, because of those health benefits,

854
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:11,720
because

855
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:18,760
realize sometimes that these people are going into, as first responders, they're going into

856
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:28,200
places that we wouldn't want to go into and, and I'm not trying to disc credit teachers,

857
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:33,240
pensions, religious pensions, I'm just trying to explain, I recognize that they're higher,

858
01:28:34,500 --> 01:28:39,380
and because they're expecting that when they're done and they're retire, and if they

859
01:28:39,380 --> 01:28:48,480
health issue because they've been out there for us all of these years. They're expecting that

860
01:28:48,480 --> 01:28:59,780
pension. So, you know, they run into places that have sickness, diseases, COVID, they worked

861
01:28:59,780 --> 01:29:08,680
every day. So I just want people to kind of think about there is a reason why

862
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:16,520
And there's a lot of reasons, but that's one of them is why these pensions have that higher because of what they do.

863
01:29:17,260 --> 01:29:31,380
So Jen, I wasn't talking about eliminating the pensions, but you were there at that meeting where the custodians was funded at slightly over a hundred percent based on their investment decisions.

864
01:29:31,380 --> 01:29:40,500
service was funded in the very high 90s close to 100% the police pension fund was in the

865
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:47,100
70s the 70% I don't have the exact number in front of me and the fire department was

866
01:29:47,980 --> 01:29:55,520
slightly higher and that's purely based on investment decisions. I'm not suggesting in

867
01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:59,980
Anyway, that we don't fund the pensions, I think.

868
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:16,220
What everybody saw based on the actuarial numbers is that better investment decisions have to be made in order to make these pensions whole so that the city doesn't have to kick in millions of dollars every year.

869
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:27,040
You know, we have to think about the pension fund as kind of a three-layered stool. You know, there's the retirees and they expect the pension and they should get it.

870
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:34,000
you know there's the taxpayers who have to fund it and there's the city that has to pay the

871
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:39,280
difference. That's my point, not that they shouldn't have a pension. Believe me, I'm not saying that.

872
01:30:40,180 --> 01:30:45,360
No, I know you're not. I know you're not, but but and I don't want to take up

873
01:30:46,340 --> 01:30:54,400
this meeting for for this discussion, but I don't know how long the other two pensions

874
01:30:54,400 --> 01:31:01,040
Like when they were collapsed and brought in to the bigger umbrella because they got that's why they're you know

875
01:31:01,980 --> 01:31:10,040
Now they have a shorter range of when they have to of what they're funding is so you know the pension of the fire and the

876
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:11,920
police have been

877
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:13,460
You know 30

878
01:31:14,240 --> 01:31:16,520
40 50 years and so they've

879
01:31:17,480 --> 01:31:21,540
The other pensions of the other pensions. They're all about the same so

880
01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:51,520
Yeah, sorry. I apologize. I did not mean to open up Pandora's box, but, you know, the underperformance is a continued issue, the types of investments and the riskiness, the liquidity, I think is a concern, but finally, I would be

881
01:31:51,520 --> 01:32:01,720
management fees. And when you're talking about a difference between 0.85 and 0.2, it doesn't sound like a lot,

882
01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:08,780
that however, 100s of millions of dollars that makes a difference when compounded year after year after year.

883
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:15,560
And I believe one of the pension funds promised said, oh yeah, we're at 0.85, but we also have some other underlying funds.

884
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:19,360
would get that to you. I haven't seen that. Maybe it was sent. Maybe I missed that email.

885
01:32:21,020 --> 01:32:26,120
But I just think this is an issue that has to get addressed for the benefit of everyone,

886
01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:32,320
including most importantly the firefighters and police officers work currently serving who

887
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:37,720
hopefully can count on this down the road. If this is not addressed, this gaps only in a

888
01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:44,600
bigger and bigger, and that only puts the overall pension system under more strain.

889
01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:48,200
So, sorry, again, I opened up Pandora's box.

890
01:32:48,640 --> 01:32:57,300
No, no, I think it was part of the budget review process, Jeff, and I think your comments were very worthwhile.

891
01:32:58,100 --> 01:33:00,580
As I said, I wanted to put a point on them.

892
01:33:00,580 --> 01:33:12,280
Okay. Let's move on then. We were on page 350 where else I'm on 425 and listen when

893
01:33:12,280 --> 01:33:13,380
has anything else.

894
01:33:19,180 --> 01:33:32,200
I would like to cut contracted services in the parking fund by 1,284,593 dollars.

895
01:33:34,430 --> 01:33:37,670
Okay. So there's second of that motion.

896
01:33:40,580 --> 01:33:42,480
Seconded by Richard. Go ahead, Laura.

897
01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:50,980
That is the amount of stamp forward that has been funded up to this year by the state.

898
01:33:51,440 --> 01:33:56,740
My understanding is the state may extend it, in which case the program would come back.

899
01:33:57,480 --> 01:34:04,200
It has been brought to my attention that this is in the parking fund. It is not part of the general fund.

900
01:34:04,200 --> 01:34:16,860
But a couple things happen in the parking fund, if the parking fund runs a shortfall, then the general fund has to make up the difference because there are salaries and other expenses that have to get paid out of the parking fund.

901
01:34:17,660 --> 01:34:28,180
And when the parking fund operates at a surplus, the excess dollars go to capital memory occurring, and those go into improvements in the city parking garages.

902
01:34:28,180 --> 01:34:38,440
And we have many issues in our parking garages, they're old, and we need the capital to be able to replenish them.

903
01:34:39,660 --> 01:34:49,020
And so for that reason, I think it's important that the parking fund really support the programs that are absolutely essential.

904
01:34:49,020 --> 01:34:57,200
and I think this is a terrific program. It's very nice to have. It's just a million 284,000

905
01:34:57,200 --> 01:34:59,200
and change more than what we can afford.

906
01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:07,820
And this is another instance where we instituted a program

907
01:35:07,820 --> 01:35:13,620
that state funded and then after a couple of years the money goes away and then it falls on the

908
01:35:13,620 --> 01:35:20,640
city to fully fund it and I agree with Laura. It's nice to have but I think it's a big hit to the

909
01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:21,600
like it.

910
01:35:24,370 --> 01:35:30,130
Okay. A million, too. It's a lot of money. There's just no way around it. And

911
01:35:30,130 --> 01:35:35,450
whether it affects the mill rate or not because it's in the parking fund. That's really just

912
01:35:35,450 --> 01:35:45,070
an accounting issue. Doesn't matter what fund it's in. I mean, it's eventually the city is going to

913
01:35:45,070 --> 01:35:52,810
as Laura said, eventually we're going to either have to cover a deficit in the parking fund or we're

914
01:35:52,810 --> 01:35:57,370
capital work in the garages through the general font. So.

915
01:36:00,630 --> 01:36:20,810
Okay, Jeff. Yeah, thanks very low. I agree with the Lauren Richard. I know Laura said it, but our, our parking garages need a lot of capital work. I mean, they're, let's put it this way. I don't believe many of them are a source of pride right now and they, and they, they need.

916
01:36:21,870 --> 01:36:27,550
a continued care and the thought of diverting anything from that is a concern.

917
01:36:28,330 --> 01:36:31,050
So I'll support the cut. Thanks.

918
01:36:35,790 --> 01:36:36,930
There's no other comments.

919
01:36:37,830 --> 01:36:39,070
We'll take it to a vote.

920
01:36:39,650 --> 01:36:43,010
Is there any one opposed to or abstaining from this motion?

921
01:36:45,980 --> 01:36:47,560
Then the motion has carried.

922
01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:51,360
Okay.

923
01:36:51,740 --> 01:36:54,420
Maryly, my next one is on 481.

924
01:36:59,310 --> 01:36:59,490
Okay.

925
01:36:59,490 --> 01:37:08,630
I would like to make a general cut to conferences and training in the amount of 20,000.

926
01:37:09,250 --> 01:37:13,010
I see an increase across the city of 22,950.

927
01:37:14,610 --> 01:37:21,250
In a year where we're struggling with a 6.2% increase in city expenses,

928
01:37:21,250 --> 01:37:29,330
When I worked in the corporate world, those were times when conferences and supplies and everything

929
01:37:29,330 --> 01:37:34,450
was sort of hiring freezes, things were sort of batting down.

930
01:37:34,910 --> 01:37:38,110
And this is really symbolic, it's not a lot of money.

931
01:37:38,630 --> 01:37:46,510
But I think it's important that the city cut whatever extras of expenses there are

932
01:37:46,510 --> 01:37:52,470
to try to keep the budget and expenditures as low as they can.

933
01:37:53,310 --> 01:37:57,510
So I'm going to offer a $20,000 for conferences and training.

934
01:37:59,290 --> 01:37:59,430
All right.

935
01:37:59,650 --> 01:38:01,410
Is there a second to the motion?

936
01:38:04,640 --> 01:38:05,860
Seconded by Jeff?

937
01:38:07,220 --> 01:38:07,680
All right.

938
01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:09,520
Comments, questions?

939
01:38:11,140 --> 01:38:11,280
All right.

940
01:38:11,280 --> 01:38:12,820
Hearing none will take it to a vote.

941
01:38:12,940 --> 01:38:15,720
Is there any one opposed to or of standing from this motion?

942
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:20,420
And hearing none, then it passes unanimously.

943
01:38:22,200 --> 01:38:23,280
Is there anything else?

944
01:38:23,560 --> 01:38:28,140
Yeah, I'm very new on page 482 similar to my last comments.

945
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:32,040
I'd like to cut office supplies by $30,000.

946
01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:35,580
Okay, is there a second of that motion?

947
01:38:37,160 --> 01:38:38,420
Seconded by Tom.

948
01:38:39,980 --> 01:38:40,180
Okay.

949
01:38:41,380 --> 01:38:43,260
There's no other questions or comments.

950
01:38:43,460 --> 01:38:44,280
We'll take it to a vote.

951
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:47,620
Is there anyone opposed to or abstaining from this motion?

952
01:38:50,450 --> 01:38:53,670
right, hearing none, and that passes unanimously.

953
01:38:55,890 --> 01:39:05,420
Okay. Um, is there anything else in the operating budget book? Any other motions?

954
01:39:09,780 --> 01:39:14,610
If that's it, if that's it, Elder, can you give me what you're or Bill, can you give me what your total is?

955
01:39:15,850 --> 01:39:26,610
Yeah, one minute one minute so can sure take taking time very little. I'm just going to step away from less than a minute while they're calculating that.

956
01:39:27,930 --> 01:39:33,610
And me is what we want to take a five minute recess before we go into the capital book.

957
01:39:33,610 --> 01:39:43,550
We're going to give everybody a bio break and we'll come back in. It's 841. Let's come back at 846.

958
01:39:44,870 --> 01:39:47,210
We'll see you then. Okay.

959
01:44:37,070 --> 01:44:40,670
Okay. Is everybody back? Let's see.

960
01:44:42,790 --> 01:44:43,750
We just need tone.

961
01:45:04,050 --> 01:45:06,090
What do I have?

962
01:45:06,090 --> 01:45:09,310
That with the 89 was included in the 2015 term.

963
01:45:10,110 --> 01:45:12,590
So, Richard, okay, we don't need to wait.

964
01:45:12,610 --> 01:45:13,270
What, Richard?

965
01:45:14,170 --> 01:45:21,710
Yeah, we have the number 16 million, 687, 459.

966
01:45:22,370 --> 01:45:25,590
Can you give it to me without the Board of Ed?

967
01:45:26,930 --> 01:45:30,050
Yes. Well, the Board of Ed is 12, one.

968
01:45:30,050 --> 01:45:38,350
Well, one. Okay. I can just do it right here. Yeah, yeah, I can do it. So we have 14 million

969
01:45:41,350 --> 01:45:42,030
587459

970
01:45:45,040 --> 01:45:46,540
4 million

971
01:45:47,060 --> 01:45:48,360
Wait, you have

972
01:45:49,060 --> 01:45:51,480
You want me to

973
01:45:51,480 --> 01:45:51,880
Oh,

974
01:45:51,900 --> 01:45:54,060
It's 177 459

975
01:45:54,820 --> 01:45:56,940
Without board of ed

976
01:45:56,940 --> 01:46:01,140
Without board of ed, you have, I'm sorry, you have form

977
01:46:01,140 --> 01:46:06,580
1,687,459.

978
01:46:06,580 --> 01:46:08,820
I don't quite ask by so much.

979
01:46:09,080 --> 01:46:10,400
Richard, that includes the car.

980
01:46:11,300 --> 01:46:13,520
Oh, that includes the parking fund.

981
01:46:14,300 --> 01:46:16,580
There's really, there's three components, right?

982
01:46:16,780 --> 01:46:21,020
It's the board of ed 12 million 100,000.

983
01:46:21,020 --> 01:46:21,360
Right?

984
01:46:22,740 --> 01:46:25,420
I'll call it all other general fund.

985
01:46:25,420 --> 01:46:35,420
three million one six zero seven one four three million one six zero seven one four

986
01:46:35,420 --> 01:46:44,430
four yeah and then the parking fund is one million four two six seven four five

987
01:46:44,660 --> 01:46:46,960
all right so I am off

988
01:46:49,230 --> 01:46:56,540
by um hold on did you change your friendly amendment

989
01:46:56,540 --> 01:47:06,600
Richard to the year was. Yeah, I did. I'm off by 142,152. So, um, that sounds like the, uh,

990
01:47:06,920 --> 01:47:12,640
I just picked. Yeah, that's the, the two program expansions that were in the parking fund.

991
01:47:13,460 --> 01:47:24,680
There were, uh, right. So, wait, those would come. Oh, you're right. Those would come out. Oh, now,

992
01:47:24,680 --> 01:47:33,100
Yes, so now we match exactly, so you have the total we have 16 million

993
01:47:33,100 --> 01:47:36,440
687,459

994
01:47:39,030 --> 01:47:41,290
including parking fund, including

995
01:47:41,970 --> 01:47:47,190
Board of Education, including the city and the city. All cuts.

996
01:47:47,190 --> 01:47:47,930
What was number?

997
01:47:48,990 --> 01:47:53,470
It's 16 million, six hundred eighty seven, four, fifty nine.

998
01:47:55,650 --> 01:47:59,650
One, six, six, six, eight, seven, four, five, nine.

999
01:47:59,930 --> 01:48:04,010
Yep. Yep. That's what I have. Yep. Yep. All set.

1000
01:48:04,610 --> 01:48:07,430
Okay. Great. Yep. Very good.

1001
01:48:12,070 --> 01:48:16,950
So shall we go on to capital and we'll follow the same process.

1002
01:48:16,950 --> 01:48:23,250
We'll start with the with the book and call out pages where you want to make a cut.

1003
01:48:27,440 --> 01:48:27,960
Yeah.

1004
01:48:28,440 --> 01:48:28,620
Yeah.

1005
01:48:29,480 --> 01:48:30,140
Hold on a second.

1006
01:48:30,320 --> 01:48:31,640
I just okay.

1007
01:48:34,900 --> 01:48:35,800
Oh, yeah.

1008
01:48:37,880 --> 01:48:39,080
I'm not first.

1009
01:48:48,630 --> 01:48:50,070
I'm just pulling my book out.

1010
01:48:50,190 --> 01:48:51,350
Just give me one second.

1011
01:48:51,750 --> 01:48:52,590
I don't know.

1012
01:48:52,650 --> 01:48:54,770
Laura, did you have something on page 28?

1013
01:48:56,230 --> 01:48:56,750
Sorry.

1014
01:48:57,010 --> 01:48:57,630
I'm a little budget.

1015
01:48:57,830 --> 01:48:59,990
I'm putting notes in my thing.

1016
01:48:59,990 --> 01:49:02,550
Okay, yeah, I just think on page 28.

1017
01:49:02,690 --> 01:49:05,710
Thank you, Mary Lou, I'm making notes here.

1018
01:49:05,850 --> 01:49:07,590
I'm going to just grab my capital book.

1019
01:49:07,810 --> 01:49:08,790
Thank you.

1020
01:49:09,250 --> 01:49:10,430
Page 28,

1021
01:49:13,450 --> 01:49:16,710
which is Board of Ed Safety and Security.

1022
01:49:17,870 --> 01:49:21,850
I'd like to propose a cut of $100,000.

1023
01:49:22,870 --> 01:49:28,730
The rationale is that there's 513,000 still available.

1024
01:49:30,710 --> 01:49:35,670
And we're giving them an additional 300,000 to spend.

1025
01:49:38,810 --> 01:49:40,230
All right, is there a second?

1026
01:49:42,080 --> 01:49:43,560
All right, seconded by Richard.

1027
01:49:46,820 --> 01:49:48,900
Okay, any comments or questions?

1028
01:49:51,720 --> 01:49:53,900
All right, hearing none, then we'll take it to a vote.

1029
01:49:53,900 --> 01:49:57,100
Is there anyone opposed to or abstaining from this motion?

1030
01:49:59,240 --> 01:50:00,880
Okay, then that passes unanimously.

1031
01:50:06,020 --> 01:50:06,480
Next.

1032
01:50:06,480 --> 01:50:13,840
page 40, if no one has anything before that. It's the Bart Larboretum Greenhouse.

1033
01:50:16,370 --> 01:50:17,470
Let me just

1034
01:50:19,650 --> 01:50:20,350
book.

1035
01:50:23,960 --> 01:50:29,040
It's in the book for a million dollars. I'd like to propose a cut of 250,000.

1036
01:50:29,040 --> 01:50:34,860
And we asked for their estimates,

1037
01:50:36,880 --> 01:50:43,620
and on the greenhouse, and the estimate on the greenhouse

1038
01:50:43,620 --> 01:50:54,380
is about $3.5 million, $2.5 million of that is hard cost, and a million of that is general

1039
01:50:54,380 --> 01:51:04,620
conditions contractor profit and various contingencies. And that's, you know, a lot of that is real,

1040
01:51:05,160 --> 01:51:14,740
but that seems like a very, very conservative estimate. And I think they can make do

1041
01:51:16,200 --> 01:51:24,240
with easily with 250,000 less. Okay. That's a motion. Is there a second?

1042
01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:31,180
I'll second it. Okay. Discussion.

1043
01:51:34,140 --> 01:51:36,700
Right hearing none, then we'll take it to.

1044
01:51:37,000 --> 01:51:53,780
I was just going to ask Richard, could you explain one more time? The rationale or the background between the the million and cutting them just 250 is because they're estimates you fill up there.

1045
01:51:53,780 --> 01:51:58,780
So they have a total estimate for the greenhouse of three and a half million.

1046
01:52:04,100 --> 01:52:12,640
And of that estimate, two and a half million is actual construction cost line items.

1047
01:52:12,820 --> 01:52:19,900
Electrical, mechanical, right, site work, concrete, steel, all those line items.

1048
01:52:20,160 --> 01:52:21,080
That's two and a half million.

1049
01:52:21,080 --> 01:52:27,380
the other million is let's go to my notes.

1050
01:52:29,880 --> 01:52:33,640
General conditions are 10% that's that would be

1051
01:52:33,640 --> 01:52:43,040
250,000. Now that it's more I'm sorry. General, I have a total soft cost is a million dollars.

1052
01:52:43,780 --> 01:52:50,520
So general conditions and profit is about half a million and then they have various contingencies,

1053
01:52:50,520 --> 01:52:57,140
design contingency, big contingency, escalation. That's another half a million dollars. So

1054
01:52:57,140 --> 01:52:59,800
all that adds up to a million dollars.

1055
01:53:02,280 --> 01:53:07,680
And that's high. I mean, from in my long experience,

1056
01:53:08,520 --> 01:53:14,460
that's high. Those all those items. I mean, there are real general conditions on the job, right?

1057
01:53:14,680 --> 01:53:19,660
The general contractor has to have someone there every day that have to have a port of

1058
01:53:19,660 --> 01:53:29,540
they need a mobile office, all those expenses, the general contractor does have to make a profit.

1059
01:53:32,320 --> 01:53:38,880
And then there are contingencies in their change orders, but I think all these numbers added up are very conservative,

1060
01:53:39,360 --> 01:53:44,120
and I think there's $250,000 that could be reduced.

1061
01:53:48,850 --> 01:53:51,970
Okay, any other questions or comments?

1062
01:53:54,460 --> 01:54:01,900
There's a motion to cut $250,000 from the Bartlett Arboretum Green House.

1063
01:54:02,640 --> 01:54:06,540
Is there any one opposed to abstaining from this motion?

1064
01:54:08,980 --> 01:54:10,800
Then the motion is carried unanimously.

1065
01:54:12,620 --> 01:54:13,300
Okay, next.

1066
01:54:14,640 --> 01:54:20,300
I'd like to make a motion on page 41 to cut 300,000 from the Bartlett Arboretum

1067
01:54:20,300 --> 01:54:20,840
civilian.

1068
01:54:23,830 --> 01:54:24,170
Okay.

1069
01:54:28,100 --> 01:54:32,560
I think the green house is in the core mission of the, is in the core mission

1070
01:54:32,560 --> 01:54:39,440
of the Yarboretum, and we have now funded it to, I believe, a total of over a million and a half,

1071
01:54:40,460 --> 01:54:48,520
a pavilion I don't believe is in the core mission of the Yarboretum, and so I'm proposing to

1072
01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:51,200
cut the whole item.

1073
01:54:53,580 --> 01:54:56,280
And I'll second the motion. So we can have

1074
01:54:56,280 --> 01:54:57,000
discussion.

1075
01:55:02,170 --> 01:55:04,390
All right, questions, comments,

1076
01:55:07,640 --> 01:55:10,740
all right, then we'll take it to a vote. Is there any one

1077
01:55:10,740 --> 01:55:17,780
opposed to or of stating from this motion? It's a $300,000 cut to the Bartlett Arboretum pavilion.

1078
01:55:20,930 --> 01:55:21,110
I'd

1079
01:55:23,320 --> 01:55:31,620
like to, are you going, are you going to abstain or, yeah, I'm going to vote now.

1080
01:55:32,020 --> 01:55:33,500
All right, anybody else?

1081
01:55:35,810 --> 01:55:38,250
All right, then the motion is carried with five and

1082
01:55:38,250 --> 01:55:41,970
one in opposition. Eric, can you please mute your.

1083
01:55:44,950 --> 01:55:49,430
Okay, thank you. Okay. Next.

1084
01:55:51,030 --> 01:55:54,870
Mary Lou, I have something on 46. Okay.

1085
01:55:55,970 --> 01:56:08,930
And I'm going to be proposing a reduction of the request of $350,000 by $100,000 to bring the amount to $250,000.

1086
01:56:08,930 --> 01:56:13,930
So $100,000 reduction, and I can give you the rationale.

1087
01:56:15,470 --> 01:56:17,470
OK, is there a second to this motion?

1088
01:56:20,390 --> 01:56:21,770
All right, seconded by Laura.

1089
01:56:22,430 --> 01:56:23,110
Go ahead, Jeff.

1090
01:56:23,950 --> 01:56:24,430
Thanks.

1091
01:56:25,350 --> 01:56:26,790
There with me, it may be lengthy.

1092
01:56:28,450 --> 01:56:33,550
So I believe there is support for the library branch

1093
01:56:33,550 --> 01:56:35,850
or for a library branch on the east side.

1094
01:56:36,630 --> 01:56:43,050
However, we are concerned about the total cost to build the project.

1095
01:56:43,390 --> 01:56:50,810
We're concerned also about the timeframe to open and ongoing operating costs to properly support the branch.

1096
01:56:52,370 --> 01:57:02,150
Think if you look at the main library in the Harry Bennett branch, both have incurred almost $4 million in capital expenditures over the past five years.

1097
01:57:02,150 --> 01:57:10,510
The air conditioning is currently being replaced in the main branch and plans are underway to do the same at Harry Bennett.

1098
01:57:13,110 --> 01:57:24,050
But I believe there is support for spending up to, but not exceeding an additional $2 million of city capital funds, inclusive of the funds being approved tonight.

1099
01:57:24,050 --> 01:57:32,090
And that would be an addition to $3 million, the $3 million of federal grants already committed.

1100
01:57:33,390 --> 01:57:48,590
I believe we strongly urge the library city to instruct the architect that the maximum project budget is $5 million and to design the building accordingly.

1101
01:57:49,670 --> 01:57:55,870
With the money being approved tonight, we would like to see preliminary design and initial

1102
01:57:55,870 --> 01:58:01,610
architectural plans in order to determine realistic costs for opening the branch.

1103
01:58:02,770 --> 01:58:08,590
However, at this time, we don't expect to see detailed construction drawings because prior

1104
01:58:08,590 --> 01:58:16,350
to investing in construction drawings, I believe we would urge the library and city to look

1105
01:58:16,350 --> 01:58:27,430
other alternatives. So they know what the costs are relative to other options. Perhaps one could be in a residential building development, or

1106
01:58:27,430 --> 01:58:35,450
leasing and leasing alternative where federal money could be used to fit out that space just so everyone is aware of other options.

1107
01:58:36,710 --> 01:58:44,270
The analysis, analyses, I should say, should include the following, what are the upfront capital costs?

1108
01:58:44,710 --> 01:58:52,190
What's the timeframe for opening the branch, including any legal approvals needed to move forward under each scenario?

1109
01:58:53,590 --> 01:59:00,330
I think it should be noted that the Parks and Recreation Commission has come out against the proposed location.

1110
01:59:00,330 --> 01:59:15,670
So, we urge the city and library to resolve any issues, including deed restrictions, before engaging an architect and expanding serious dollars.

1111
01:59:17,190 --> 01:59:23,170
I'm going operational cost estimates should also be included, including proper maintenance of the branch.

1112
01:59:24,010 --> 01:59:33,050
As I previously referenced, I'm pages 44 and 45 of this capital book, so just prior to this.

1113
01:59:33,310 --> 01:59:40,150
The city is funding significant additional HVAC capital expenditures for both the main branch and the Harry Bennett branch.

1114
01:59:40,150 --> 01:59:46,290
over time, proper maintenance and replacement have just not been done at those branches.

1115
01:59:48,630 --> 01:59:55,180
And that's a point to really focus on.

1116
01:59:56,660 --> 01:59:59,980
That all of my prior comments being said, I think we can...

1117
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:09,840
We believe this next phase can be done very expeditiously, and without too many soft costs. So this should be more than enough money to complete this next component.

1118
02:00:10,760 --> 02:00:20,880
To be able to move forward to project, which again, I believe there is support for branch on the east side. So apologies for the length, but.

1119
02:00:21,120 --> 02:00:23,620
I so move and it has been seconded.

1120
02:00:25,120 --> 02:00:28,140
Okay, any questions or comments?

1121
02:00:30,920 --> 02:00:32,280
I'm very sorry.

1122
02:00:32,280 --> 02:00:32,980
Mary Lou, yes.

1123
02:00:33,040 --> 02:00:34,100
I've got a question at Jeff.

1124
02:00:34,380 --> 02:00:37,320
And again, are you mentioned five total $5 million?

1125
02:00:37,500 --> 02:00:37,880
$3 million?

1126
02:00:37,960 --> 02:00:39,280
Grand, then, $5 million?

1127
02:00:39,280 --> 02:00:40,680
$2 million that we've found.

1128
02:00:41,360 --> 02:00:44,340
I mean, realistically, I don't know.

1129
02:00:46,260 --> 02:00:48,060
Is that something we can build for $5 million?

1130
02:00:50,360 --> 02:00:52,960
Well, I think if we don't give a target,

1131
02:00:52,960 --> 02:01:03,680
we won't the past experience on other non-related library projects which show us that scope

1132
02:01:03,680 --> 02:01:09,860
can creep and grow. So if we give a target and we say come back and give us some real professional

1133
02:01:09,860 --> 02:01:17,480
look at what you could build for that, then I think we'll all know. Otherwise I think if it's a

1134
02:01:17,480 --> 02:01:22,880
little unbounded, it just could come back at something much higher and take much longer

1135
02:01:22,880 --> 02:01:29,060
and no one here on this call will be involved in that when that bill will be

1136
02:01:29,060 --> 02:01:29,460
supported.

1137
02:01:29,460 --> 02:01:32,600
I think we all would like to see something happen sooner than later.

1138
02:01:33,720 --> 02:01:35,640
And this is a satellite branch.

1139
02:01:35,800 --> 02:01:41,160
I mean, we do have the main library, we have the Harry Bennett facility, which is, you

1140
02:01:41,160 --> 02:01:43,640
know, rather significant as well.

1141
02:01:43,840 --> 02:01:50,680
And this would just be a smaller facility on the east side, which I think we're all in favor

1142
02:01:50,680 --> 02:01:51,540
of.

1143
02:01:54,340 --> 02:01:54,400
Okay.

1144
02:01:54,400 --> 02:01:56,400
Thank you.

1145
02:01:57,060 --> 02:01:57,400
Jennifer.

1146
02:01:59,260 --> 02:02:08,300
I was just going to say that I'm really glad that the board decided to support the life

1147
02:02:08,300 --> 02:02:17,260
the east side library and I think our decisions to kind of figure out and come to a reasonable agreement

1148
02:02:17,260 --> 02:02:27,280
or a proposal, I think makes the law a sense. So just wanted to say, you know, I'm full in support.

1149
02:02:27,620 --> 02:02:32,260
And glad we could at least move forward from here for the for the East Side Library and for the community,

1150
02:02:32,420 --> 02:02:40,220
because we did see a tremendous amount of support at the public hearings. So glad we could do that for the community.

1151
02:02:40,860 --> 02:02:46,260
We obviously heard their comments and took it to hard. Richard, thanks,

1152
02:02:48,930 --> 02:02:49,030
Joe.

1153
02:02:49,970 --> 02:02:56,450
Yeah, this board has gone through this process for least two years, maybe three.

1154
02:02:57,870 --> 02:03:03,290
I know I've invested a lot of time in this. I know Jeff has invested a lot of time in this.

1155
02:03:03,350 --> 02:03:06,610
I think the board always supported the library on the east side.

1156
02:03:06,610 --> 02:03:09,270
we were just very concerned about the cost.

1157
02:03:09,810 --> 02:03:11,930
I believe the first time this came to us,

1158
02:03:11,950 --> 02:03:13,870
the cost wasn't really fully baked,

1159
02:03:14,290 --> 02:03:16,510
and we were told it could be $8 to $10 million.

1160
02:03:19,110 --> 02:03:23,330
In round numbers, $5 million at $1,000 square foot

1161
02:03:23,330 --> 02:03:26,390
is the $5,000 square foot branch, that's the wheat branch.

1162
02:03:26,750 --> 02:03:28,590
That's how big the wheat branch is.

1163
02:03:28,730 --> 02:03:31,550
And I'm assuming that the south end branch is smaller.

1164
02:03:33,070 --> 02:03:40,450
The Harry Vennet branch is 25,000 square feet, and I think it was built a long time ago

1165
02:03:40,450 --> 02:03:47,730
when books were in libraries, which they really aren't that as much anymore, but I think

1166
02:03:47,730 --> 02:03:54,150
reasonable people could say that that branch is too big, and we're literally paying the price for

1167
02:03:54,150 --> 02:04:00,310
that. I mean, you can see it two pages, I believe, two pages forward in the budget book.

1168
02:04:01,550 --> 02:04:09,350
it's millions and millions and dollars to keep these libraries going and I know I think of the

1169
02:04:09,350 --> 02:04:15,500
Harry Bennett branch is a new building and time passes and things get all fast and they need to be

1170
02:04:16,490 --> 02:04:25,230
prepared and maintained and the libraries not really a nonprofit it's really it's a city agency

1171
02:04:25,230 --> 02:04:31,570
effectively, and so to the extent that it expands its real estate footprint becomes our responsibility

1172
02:04:32,290 --> 02:04:41,810
to keep it in good repair, and I think that's why this board wants to keep the cost of some

1173
02:04:41,810 --> 02:04:42,810
reasonable number.

1174
02:04:46,180 --> 02:04:47,260
Okay, anyone else?

1175
02:04:49,960 --> 02:04:55,180
Okay, so it's been moved and seconded. Is there a motion?

1176
02:04:55,180 --> 02:04:58,800
Is there anyone opposed to abstaining from this motion,

1177
02:05:00,990 --> 02:05:03,810
right? Hearing none, that passes unanimously.

1178
02:05:04,610 --> 02:05:18,650
So we are funding a $250,000 item for the east side library as well as accepting the federal funding in the amount of $3 million.

1179
02:05:20,830 --> 02:05:23,350
Okay. Let's move on then.

1180
02:05:23,350 --> 02:05:27,230
I have an item on page 53.

1181
02:05:28,630 --> 02:05:33,310
Before you get that, I've got page 48.

1182
02:05:36,030 --> 02:05:37,830
The eighth on theater.

1183
02:05:38,370 --> 02:05:40,610
As I went through that,

1184
02:05:40,730 --> 02:05:45,670
yeah, I like to make a motion to eliminate $500,000.

1185
02:05:46,370 --> 02:05:48,350
Because as I see it,

1186
02:05:48,350 --> 02:05:55,530
It looks like that they have a lot of the funding at the ready already, and they have a line of credit.

1187
02:05:56,970 --> 02:06:03,490
As I compare, this facility versus some of the other parks and places up north,

1188
02:06:03,890 --> 02:06:09,910
I don't think it gets the traffic and the usage that the other places do,

1189
02:06:10,110 --> 02:06:12,470
and I know we've cut those also.

1190
02:06:13,790 --> 02:06:20,730
So I like to make a motion to cut the $500,000 out of the A-bomb theater.

1191
02:06:21,130 --> 02:06:22,950
Is there a second of that motion?

1192
02:06:24,130 --> 02:06:24,570
All second.

1193
02:06:25,290 --> 02:06:26,270
Seconded by Jennifer?

1194
02:06:27,070 --> 02:06:27,570
Discussion?

1195
02:06:29,940 --> 02:06:35,300
I think what I, my rationale for this one is really,

1196
02:06:36,520 --> 02:06:41,480
some of our decisions that we've made is about the buildings of private building.

1197
02:06:41,480 --> 02:06:49,520
it's not owned by the city. And while I value that this, the avon at what it brings to

1198
02:06:49,520 --> 02:06:55,640
the town, it's not this or that or it's not as worthy and I really do value it. But where I

1199
02:06:55,640 --> 02:07:02,540
have a really hard time is that this is a private building, it's not owned by the city. And I have

1200
02:07:02,540 --> 02:07:09,580
to make these decisions for these other areas and other organizations that don't have any money

1201
02:07:09,580 --> 02:07:14,560
or don't have the opportunity to raise funds or have a line of credit.

1202
02:07:16,940 --> 02:07:20,840
And the avon does have a line of credit to get this money.

1203
02:07:22,260 --> 02:07:26,160
And I just feel like in this time, as we've been saying with this budget,

1204
02:07:27,620 --> 02:07:33,420
it's really difficult to be able to give money away just to give money away.

1205
02:07:33,420 --> 02:07:41,760
we should give it to where it's really neat and I wish I could, but I feel like I can't cut

1206
02:07:42,580 --> 02:07:48,360
these other things and then feel like I can give when they can fund their own money and it's

1207
02:07:48,360 --> 02:07:49,100
a private building.

1208
02:07:55,500 --> 02:08:04,980
Anybody else? Laura? Yeah, Jen, I hear your concern and these are always hard

1209
02:08:04,980 --> 02:08:20,980
decisions to make. But just to give you a little bit of history, we have out of the capital budget funded things like the Stanford Center for the Arts, the Palis Theatre, Stanford Museum and Nature Center last year and sound waters just to name a few.

1210
02:08:21,420 --> 02:08:28,820
And I'm sure if I went down the list of other organizations where we don't own the buildings, the city has made these kinds of investments.

1211
02:08:28,820 --> 02:08:32,140
I view this as sort of a gem of downtown.

1212
02:08:32,160 --> 02:08:37,340
It's a historical building and it does when patrons come to the theater.

1213
02:08:37,340 --> 02:08:41,800
It does spill out into the community and it adds value back into Stanford.

1214
02:08:42,440 --> 02:08:45,220
And that's how I got comfortable with it.

1215
02:08:45,560 --> 02:08:51,720
The other thing that made me comfortable is just the amount of donations that they have raised

1216
02:08:51,720 --> 02:08:52,440
to do this.

1217
02:08:52,460 --> 02:08:55,500
They're putting a significant investment back into Stanford.

1218
02:08:55,500 --> 02:09:05,560
And so, as a percent of the total project costs, this is small, so that's how I would justify it, but I hear your concern.

1219
02:09:06,540 --> 02:09:16,080
Yeah, I don't. I recognize your comments, it's just, they have the ability to get the money elsewhere.

1220
02:09:16,800 --> 02:09:18,500
And some of these organizations don't.

1221
02:09:18,500 --> 02:09:34,320
How do I, how do I, how do I, you know, I, I just think it's really hard to do that in this environment where we're cutting now for profits and we're cutting a lot of other items and it's it's hard and I don't I don't disagree.

1222
02:09:34,880 --> 02:09:44,940
I love the Avon and I and everything was, you know, the way it was presented is just I don't know how we allow that how we give them 500,000.

1223
02:09:45,560 --> 02:09:55,960
So, if I could, I'd like to make a motion and instead of cutting the full 500, we'll cut 400, give them a $100,000.

1224
02:09:58,030 --> 02:09:59,690
Is there a second of that motion?

1225
02:10:01,450 --> 02:10:02,390
I can second that motion.

1226
02:10:03,950 --> 02:10:04,150
Okay.

1227
02:10:06,330 --> 02:10:10,370
Unless there's any objection, we can take that amended motion to evote.

1228
02:10:10,370 --> 02:10:12,690
Yeah, Mary, look, I just would speak to this.

1229
02:10:12,830 --> 02:10:19,770
I mean, I, Laura spoke nicely and I understand Jen's work, Jen's coming from for sure, you know,

1230
02:10:19,950 --> 02:10:26,630
for me as someone who is part of fourth generation, Stanford family, there's just such

1231
02:10:26,630 --> 02:10:35,790
little left of old time Stanford and this is just one small gem and I think it's important

1232
02:10:35,790 --> 02:10:44,030
as a city invests in the forward growth of the city. We do what we can when we can when

1233
02:10:44,030 --> 02:10:51,650
when it something presents itself to keep and memorialize some of old-time Stanford

1234
02:10:51,650 --> 02:10:58,410
and I wish there was more of it to be able to do, but there just isn't a lot left to it.

1235
02:10:59,030 --> 02:11:05,430
So I'm supportive of the original proposal. So I won't be in favor of reducing it.

1236
02:11:05,430 --> 02:11:05,850
Thanks.

1237
02:11:07,430 --> 02:11:16,510
Okay, so we'll take the amended motion that there's a motion to cut $400,000 from the

1238
02:11:16,510 --> 02:11:19,930
Stamper Historic Abon Theater renovations.

1239
02:11:19,950 --> 02:11:22,730
It's been moved in seconded.

1240
02:11:23,530 --> 02:11:27,110
Is there anyone opposed to, or of stating from this motion,

1241
02:11:32,650 --> 02:11:34,790
okay, so the motion has failed

1242
02:11:34,790 --> 02:11:42,270
by a vote of two in favor and four opposed. Are there any other motions?

1243
02:11:43,870 --> 02:11:45,030
There was the first motion.

1244
02:11:48,630 --> 02:11:55,370
Okay. So there was a motion to cut the entire 500,000.

1245
02:11:55,430 --> 02:11:56,930
Yes. Okay.

1246
02:11:59,420 --> 02:12:03,320
So let's take that to a vote. Is there any one opposed to or

1247
02:12:03,320 --> 02:12:04,940
from this motion.

1248
02:12:09,220 --> 02:12:23,880
Okay. And that motion failed with two in favor and four opposed. Okay. Are there any other motions on this page? If not, I have one on page 53.

1249
02:12:27,850 --> 02:12:39,470
And this is the, the Harbor Lighthouse, they're asking for $50,000. And they have a,

1250
02:12:39,470 --> 02:12:51,770
A survey and planning grant of $20,000 that they received and they have a community funding project grant of a half million dollars under consideration by the federal government.

1251
02:12:53,170 --> 02:13:02,810
And I hope that they get it, but I don't think this is a project that the city should be participating in in terms of adding funding to it.

1252
02:13:03,050 --> 02:13:07,250
So I make a motion to cut the entire 50,000 and I so move.

1253
02:13:07,250 --> 02:13:09,930
Is there a second,

1254
02:13:12,840 --> 02:13:14,120
second and by Richard?

1255
02:13:16,340 --> 02:13:16,460
Okay.

1256
02:13:18,180 --> 02:13:19,240
Comments, questions.

1257
02:13:21,420 --> 02:13:24,460
All right, hearing none, let's move to a vote.

1258
02:13:24,640 --> 02:13:27,580
Is there anyone opposed to abstaining from this motion?

1259
02:13:29,400 --> 02:13:30,240
I'm going to have a post.

1260
02:13:30,960 --> 02:13:35,380
Okay, so it passes with five in favor and one opposed.

1261
02:13:36,560 --> 02:13:37,540
Okay, next.

1262
02:13:38,780 --> 02:13:43,400
very little on page 56, affordable housing.

1263
02:13:45,500 --> 02:13:56,060
Okay. First and foremost, I want to state that I am very much in favor of affordable housing and of the city funding affordable housing.

1264
02:13:58,700 --> 02:14:05,140
There are multiple mechanisms within the city to fund affordable housing.

1265
02:14:06,220 --> 02:14:12,880
The biggest one is probably the affordable housing trust fund, and then there, which would

1266
02:14:12,880 --> 02:14:17,800
have linkage from the building department as well as the in-loop from developers who choose

1267
02:14:17,800 --> 02:14:23,700
not to put affordable units in their buildings, and we have learned that there is potentially

1268
02:14:23,700 --> 02:14:30,480
some money in the grants department that could be used for affordable housing. I would like to

1269
02:14:30,480 --> 02:14:39,600
make a motion to cut the full $3 million from the capital budget which would then not put it to

1270
02:14:39,600 --> 02:14:47,700
bombs just so that everybody understands there's currently $2.1 million in the affordable housing

1271
02:14:47,700 --> 02:14:54,500
trust fund with another two million in the budget from linkage, which is building permit fees

1272
02:14:54,500 --> 02:14:59,940
that have been set aside for affordable housing. So once this budget passes, they'll be for

1273
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:15,840
1.1 million in the affordable housing trust fund. I know that one of the projects that is listed here, St. John's Tower, has made a request already to the affordable housing trust fund for the $2.1 million that we currently have.

1274
02:15:15,840 --> 02:15:21,900
And I know this is another $2 million of request from charter oak for Sanford Manor.

1275
02:15:21,920 --> 02:15:30,600
I believe that with the money that's in the affordable housing trust fund plus the money that is potentially available from grants

1276
02:15:30,600 --> 02:15:40,380
will be able to satisfy the requests of the city chooses to add some additional funding towards affordable housing.

1277
02:15:40,380 --> 02:15:50,880
So, at this point, it's really just shifting out of bonds and into other city funds, but it is not a statement that is anti affordable housing.

1278
02:15:52,180 --> 02:15:59,100
And I would also add that should there be additional affordable housing projects that come up during the year.

1279
02:15:59,100 --> 02:16:02,040
And if there is not money available,

1280
02:16:02,280 --> 02:16:03,660
me, affordable has a trust fund,

1281
02:16:04,240 --> 02:16:08,640
I believe that this board would be favorably inclined

1282
02:16:08,640 --> 02:16:11,440
to review them on a project by project basis,

1283
02:16:11,760 --> 02:16:14,360
and to add bonds to those projects,

1284
02:16:14,620 --> 02:16:20,260
to the extent that they are presented to our board,

1285
02:16:20,580 --> 02:16:21,660
they're deemed to be worthy,

1286
02:16:22,300 --> 02:16:24,800
and they could be just evaluated in that way.

1287
02:16:26,020 --> 02:16:34,040
So, Lori, your motion is to zero out this account per $1 million, okay?

1288
02:16:34,800 --> 02:16:36,260
Is there a second to this motion?

1289
02:16:38,300 --> 02:16:39,660
All seconded.

1290
02:16:39,800 --> 02:16:40,080
Okay.

1291
02:16:41,080 --> 02:16:42,180
Questions, comments?

1292
02:16:45,730 --> 02:16:45,910
Richard?

1293
02:16:47,710 --> 02:16:52,650
I think if we have, I also support the city funding affordable housing.

1294
02:16:52,650 --> 02:16:54,510
I think it doesn't put in enough.

1295
02:16:56,150 --> 02:17:05,990
And but if we have other sources of funding available and we can avoid bonding and in this budget cycle or in any budget cycle for that matter, we should.

1296
02:17:06,750 --> 02:17:13,450
And I agree with Laura that if we're active, the cover is actually bare and there's a project that needs funding.

1297
02:17:13,450 --> 02:17:17,270
They can come to us supplemental capital appropriations

1298
02:17:17,270 --> 02:17:19,890
or given regularly during the course of the year.

1299
02:17:19,910 --> 02:17:24,650
And if there's a worthwhile project and the administration

1300
02:17:24,650 --> 02:17:28,790
can make their case for a supplemental appropriation,

1301
02:17:29,070 --> 02:17:30,990
I would be happy to consider that.

1302
02:17:32,760 --> 02:17:34,200
OK, anyone else?

1303
02:17:36,150 --> 02:17:38,770
All right, hearing none, then we'll take it to a vote.

1304
02:17:39,470 --> 02:17:42,850
Is there anyone opposed to or abstaining from this motion?

1305
02:17:44,800 --> 02:17:48,220
all right, hearing none, and it passes unanimously.

1306
02:17:50,340 --> 02:17:51,760
Okay, next.

1307
02:17:55,260 --> 02:17:59,800
I have a motion on page 71, if there's.

1308
02:17:59,800 --> 02:18:03,640
I'm sorry, Mary, Luke, and I do page 69.

1309
02:18:04,720 --> 02:18:06,940
You can do anything you want, Tom. Go ahead.

1310
02:18:07,400 --> 02:18:08,080
You're wonderful.

1311
02:18:11,780 --> 02:18:22,200
I'd like to make a motion to eliminate the $75,000 for this particular project and running through

1312
02:18:23,180 --> 02:18:32,280
the plans for electrifying our fleet, you know, they were under-term in this time as far as time

1313
02:18:32,280 --> 02:18:39,260
frame and amounts and lens. I don't think we have a critical mass of electric cars and trucks

1314
02:18:39,260 --> 02:18:44,240
right now. So I think this is kind of put in the car before the horse. I think we should get

1315
02:18:44,240 --> 02:18:51,500
a better sense for what the plan is. You know, I see this is a part of the Stanford 2525 plan,

1316
02:18:51,660 --> 02:19:00,560
which again, is a ways off. So I suspect, particularly in this year, that we can hold off until

1317
02:19:00,560 --> 02:19:06,640
we get a better specificity around what the plan is and then move from there.

1318
02:19:09,060 --> 02:19:17,820
So I have a question either, Elder or Bill, is this $75,000, somehow linked to get the

1319
02:19:17,820 --> 02:19:19,000
state grant.

1320
02:19:21,290 --> 02:19:25,590
In other words, do we have to put money in in order to get the 180,000 from

1321
02:19:25,590 --> 02:19:26,490
the state?

1322
02:19:29,630 --> 02:19:34,690
recognize that we have a thousand in the balance, right? Right,

1323
02:19:38,000 --> 02:19:39,660
as far as you know, there's no linkage.

1324
02:19:40,440 --> 02:19:45,840
Yeah, I don't have that information. Mary Lou, I don't, I don't see that it's a match.

1325
02:19:46,740 --> 02:19:52,580
Okay. I have to, unfortunately, get back to you if there is. Okay.

1326
02:19:52,980 --> 02:20:00,040
If you get us the information in the next, you know, 15, 20 minutes or whatever, because we could always just

1327
02:20:00,040 --> 02:20:02,760
kick it to the end and take it back up.

1328
02:20:03,040 --> 02:20:05,100
Yeah, let me see if I have the project now,

1329
02:20:05,100 --> 02:20:08,080
I'm at it as number all, I'll do that.

1330
02:20:08,320 --> 02:20:09,780
I'll let you know.

1331
02:20:10,260 --> 02:20:11,200
Let's do some research.

1332
02:20:11,500 --> 02:20:12,980
I'll get back to this page.

1333
02:20:14,000 --> 02:20:16,420
All right, Tom, do you mind holding off on this?

1334
02:20:16,420 --> 02:20:17,360
Just so we get there.

1335
02:20:19,000 --> 02:20:19,960
That's right.

1336
02:20:19,960 --> 02:20:20,260
Okay.

1337
02:20:21,440 --> 02:20:21,720
Okay.

1338
02:20:22,620 --> 02:20:27,980
Okay, so on page 71, I have a cut.

1339
02:20:29,400 --> 02:20:37,160
I'd like to cut $200,000 from this $300,000 request.

1340
02:20:38,300 --> 02:20:42,840
I mean, this money is number one to hire an administrator

1341
02:20:42,840 --> 02:20:48,580
to develop and manage a system for the BMR.

1342
02:20:49,660 --> 02:21:05,080
So, A, I have a problem with adding new headcount and B, I think that we should be able to buy software or hire an outside vendor for $100,000 to do the same thing.

1343
02:21:05,740 --> 02:21:15,180
So, I think a $200,000 cut is justified and we could accomplish the same thing at a lower cost and I so move.

1344
02:21:15,880 --> 02:21:22,460
It's very long. I'm going to I'm going to refuse myself on this one so I'll be absent from the meeting during the vote.

1345
02:21:22,700 --> 02:21:24,640
Okay Richard, so noted.

1346
02:21:26,040 --> 02:21:26,380
Okay.

1347
02:21:27,800 --> 02:21:29,260
Is there a second to my motion?

1348
02:21:33,560 --> 02:21:35,120
All right, seconded by Jeff.

1349
02:21:35,680 --> 02:21:37,440
Any questions or comments?

1350
02:21:40,450 --> 02:21:42,050
Okay, then we'll take it to a vote.

1351
02:21:42,550 --> 02:21:43,770
Just a quick comment.

1352
02:21:43,770 --> 02:21:48,210
I do think that we have a bit of a mess with the BMRs.

1353
02:21:48,210 --> 02:21:57,090
a letter was just sent I believe today. On the BMRs and the importance of the city being able to

1354
02:21:57,090 --> 02:22:03,070
to figure out sort of to have a database or a collection of information of what they are

1355
02:22:03,070 --> 02:22:08,150
and to allow applicants to come to one place as opposed to going to multiple buildings.

1356
02:22:08,970 --> 02:22:15,090
I'm hopeful that with a hundred thousand dollars in that fund that will be able to hire

1357
02:22:15,090 --> 02:22:21,930
either consultant or a person within a city to be able to on a project base is not on a permanent

1358
02:22:21,930 --> 02:22:28,750
basis to be able to put something together for us so that we can make heads of heads or tails

1359
02:22:28,750 --> 02:22:35,610
and create one common place for people looking for apartments to go as opposed to as we heard

1360
02:22:35,610 --> 02:22:42,150
multiple buildings on multiple weightless. Right. I agree, Laura. I think there are other options.

1361
02:22:42,150 --> 02:22:48,310
Unfortunately, the city's answer to everything is to add headcount and to hire.

1362
02:22:49,190 --> 02:22:52,670
So I, you know, but this, this may be reasonable.

1363
02:22:53,670 --> 02:22:59,090
I'm, I'm, I'm opposed to that. So it may be hiring someone, but hopefully on a project

1364
02:22:59,090 --> 02:23:03,890
basis to put this together to be able to turn it over to city staff and to use.

1365
02:23:04,530 --> 02:23:10,090
So right, right, I just, yeah, I just can't see hiring another head to do this.

1366
02:23:10,090 --> 02:23:12,670
Okay, any other comments?

1367
02:23:14,130 --> 02:23:17,470
All right, so there are five of us present in voting.

1368
02:23:18,370 --> 02:23:22,230
Is there anyone opposed to or abstaining from this motion?

1369
02:23:24,680 --> 02:23:31,100
Right, hearing none, then the motion carries with five in favor and zero opposed

1370
02:23:31,100 --> 02:23:34,020
with one member, reducing himself.

1371
02:23:35,920 --> 02:23:35,960
Okay.

1372
02:23:35,960 --> 02:23:37,920
Tracy, do you want to tell Richard to come back?

1373
02:23:38,140 --> 02:23:38,780
Oh, you're back.

1374
02:23:38,780 --> 02:23:43,540
Okay. He's back. Okay.

1375
02:23:45,860 --> 02:23:47,160
All right. What's next?

1376
02:23:49,400 --> 02:23:58,400
Page 73, Citywide Fields. I'd like to make a motion to reduce this by 250,000, which is half of the item.

1377
02:24:00,870 --> 02:24:03,450
Okay. Is there a second of that motion?

1378
02:24:05,940 --> 02:24:09,200
All right. Seconded by Jennifer. Okay.

1379
02:24:10,080 --> 02:24:16,300
We're going to have 50,000 pays for the significant study, and if it's not enough, then

1380
02:24:16,300 --> 02:24:18,220
we'll just have to fund it over two years.

1381
02:24:19,620 --> 02:24:23,360
Okay. Any other questions or comments?

1382
02:24:24,880 --> 02:24:34,280
I would just hope that the study focuses on the football fields and soccer fields and baseball fields.

1383
02:24:34,280 --> 02:24:45,420
There's a point in here that's talking about a phase ability study for a pool, which I think we are already working on a pool at the west hill.

1384
02:24:46,600 --> 02:25:01,360
So can we, can we think reasonably and let's, that would be great if we can focus on, you know, what we have currently today and how do we make it improve it and work on that.

1385
02:25:01,360 --> 02:25:04,620
So the cuts of good decision, A.

1386
02:25:07,900 --> 02:25:09,220
We're all right.

1387
02:25:09,320 --> 02:25:10,340
All right.

1388
02:25:10,420 --> 02:25:10,760
All right.

1389
02:25:11,020 --> 02:25:13,340
Is there any other comments?

1390
02:25:14,860 --> 02:25:15,300
All right.

1391
02:25:15,560 --> 02:25:16,560
We'll take it to a vote then.

1392
02:25:16,660 --> 02:25:19,740
Is there anyone opposed to we're abstaining from this motion?

1393
02:25:21,750 --> 02:25:21,930
All right.

1394
02:25:22,050 --> 02:25:23,770
Then the motion is carried unanimously.

1395
02:25:25,650 --> 02:25:27,010
Okay. Next.

1396
02:25:27,990 --> 02:25:29,710
Mary, Lou, I have something on the 74.

1397
02:25:30,910 --> 02:25:31,190
Okay.

1398
02:25:32,030 --> 02:25:39,350
it's a city building study. It's proposed a 200,000. I'm going to propose that it

1399
02:25:39,350 --> 02:25:47,330
has eliminated sort of cut up 200,000. Okay. Is there a second of that motion?

1400
02:25:52,160 --> 02:25:52,160
I'll

1401
02:25:52,160 --> 02:25:55,560
second it. Okay, Jack. Go ahead.

1402
02:25:55,920 --> 02:26:01,120
My rationale is listen, I appreciate the city wanting to get its hands around all the

1403
02:26:01,120 --> 02:26:07,880
But extraneous buildings that the city manages, but there's going to be room within the

1404
02:26:07,880 --> 02:26:12,300
safe debt limit to actually put money into fixing some of these buildings.

1405
02:26:12,640 --> 02:26:20,200
And so I'd really prefer to see new requests come in to fix some of the long-standing

1406
02:26:20,200 --> 02:26:27,520
issues that we can get to plans, but bring in more consultants right now.

1407
02:26:27,520 --> 02:26:34,760
If I just want to be in favor given where we are with the overall budgets, so.

1408
02:26:35,120 --> 02:26:35,680
Okay.

1409
02:26:36,640 --> 02:26:40,140
It's been moved in seconded questions, comments.

1410
02:26:42,440 --> 02:26:44,620
All right, hearing none, then we'll take it to a vote.

1411
02:26:45,200 --> 02:26:48,420
Is there any one opposed to or abstaining from this motion?

1412
02:26:50,700 --> 02:26:53,360
Right, hearing none, then the motion is carried unanimously.

1413
02:26:55,260 --> 02:26:55,520
Okay.

1414
02:26:56,740 --> 02:26:57,800
Anything else?

1415
02:26:57,800 --> 02:27:01,980
I have something on 77 if no one else has something.

1416
02:27:03,180 --> 02:27:04,880
Okay, go ahead with that.

1417
02:27:05,000 --> 02:27:05,820
Thanks, yep.

1418
02:27:06,120 --> 02:27:08,420
So there's a line item here.

1419
02:27:09,100 --> 02:27:17,340
And I'm going to propose that we reduce the gas fired HVACs by $200,000.

1420
02:27:20,080 --> 02:27:20,120
Okay.

1421
02:27:22,280 --> 02:27:23,480
Is there a second?

1422
02:27:24,860 --> 02:27:26,920
There's second in that motion.

1423
02:27:27,980 --> 02:27:29,260
All right, seconded by Richard.

1424
02:27:29,920 --> 02:27:31,020
All right, go ahead, Jen.

1425
02:27:32,320 --> 02:27:38,460
I just been thinking, you know, I want to be sensitive to our future goals.

1426
02:27:39,200 --> 02:27:40,860
Being more energy efficient.

1427
02:27:40,940 --> 02:27:46,200
But if we have more years of life that we can seek out of the systems we have, we should.

1428
02:27:47,260 --> 02:27:52,360
And if the city wants to bring in a case by case specific project to us,

1429
02:27:52,360 --> 02:27:54,680
file means do that during the year.

1430
02:27:56,720 --> 02:28:04,940
Okay. There's also there's also $285,000 in the budget in the year to date balance and available. So.

1431
02:28:06,400 --> 02:28:09,420
Okay, any other questions or comments.

1432
02:28:12,800 --> 02:28:17,140
All right, we'll take it to a vote then is there any one opposed to abstaining from this motion.

1433
02:28:19,620 --> 02:28:21,480
All right, so the item is carried unanimously.

1434
02:28:23,960 --> 02:28:25,000
Okay, next.

1435
02:28:25,000 --> 02:28:29,240
Page 78, Nathan Wider, sprinklers,

1436
02:28:32,320 --> 02:28:36,240
I'd like to propose a cut of 500,000, which is the entire

1437
02:28:36,240 --> 02:28:36,860
amount.

1438
02:28:38,140 --> 02:28:45,680
We have put a lot of money into Nathan Wider recently, and I think this just has to wait.

1439
02:28:45,780 --> 02:28:53,280
I mean, it took us many, many years to completely sprinkler the public schools.

1440
02:28:54,740 --> 02:28:57,380
And I think this is just going to have to wait.

1441
02:29:00,970 --> 02:29:04,030
What is that, Richard? Like a hundred-year-old building? Maybe more?

1442
02:29:04,670 --> 02:29:06,150
It's the old clone in.

1443
02:29:08,370 --> 02:29:08,850
Yes.

1444
02:29:10,070 --> 02:29:11,650
I mean, it has tenants in it, right?

1445
02:29:12,530 --> 02:29:16,490
We're keeping it and we're using it and we just put a lot of money into it.

1446
02:29:16,490 --> 02:29:18,290
We just approved a lot of money.

1447
02:29:22,460 --> 02:29:22,920
Okay.

1448
02:29:24,440 --> 02:29:27,020
So is there a second of Richard's motion?

1449
02:29:29,360 --> 02:29:31,360
All right, I'll second it.

1450
02:29:32,220 --> 02:29:32,800
All right.

1451
02:29:33,600 --> 02:29:35,300
Any other questions or comments?

1452
02:29:37,420 --> 02:29:37,580
All right.

1453
02:29:37,660 --> 02:29:38,620
Then we'll take it to a vote.

1454
02:29:38,740 --> 02:29:41,640
Is there anyone opposed to we're abstaining from this motion?

1455
02:29:44,200 --> 02:29:44,440
All right.

1456
02:29:44,440 --> 02:29:47,340
Hearing none, then that motion passes unanimously.

1457
02:29:49,360 --> 02:29:49,680
Okay.

1458
02:29:49,900 --> 02:29:50,660
What else?

1459
02:29:52,100 --> 02:29:54,060
Mary Lou on page 83.

1460
02:29:55,470 --> 02:29:59,970
the ADA compliance for City Facility.

1461
02:30:00,960 --> 02:30:10,860
We know that this is really important, but there's $343,000 in the budget already. I'd like to propose a cut of

1462
02:30:10,860 --> 02:30:17,500
225,000, which is half of the funds, which will leave $568,000 in the account.

1463
02:30:18,810 --> 02:30:21,230
Okay, is there a second to the motion?

1464
02:30:25,700 --> 02:30:27,460
All right, I'll second it.

1465
02:30:28,980 --> 02:30:29,500
Okay.

1466
02:30:31,420 --> 02:30:32,740
Questions, comments?

1467
02:30:36,220 --> 02:30:38,460
All right, hearing none, then we'll take it to a vote.

1468
02:30:39,200 --> 02:30:43,200
Is there any one opposed to or if stating from this motion?

1469
02:30:45,860 --> 02:30:48,460
All right, hearing none, then that passes unanimously.

1470
02:30:50,140 --> 02:30:51,760
Okay. Next.

1471
02:30:51,760 --> 02:31:08,220
Mary Lou on page 89. I'd like to cut Hatch Field by $525,000. I support the renovation

1472
02:31:08,220 --> 02:31:13,120
of the Hatch Field playground. I think it's an incredible asset for the people

1473
02:31:13,120 --> 02:31:20,380
who live in that building and in the neighborhood. I expect based on numbers that we've

1474
02:31:20,380 --> 02:31:27,720
seeing that with a $2 million state grant that there will be sufficient funds to redo that playground.

1475
02:31:28,520 --> 02:31:35,080
The number we just got for the yearward center was 175,000. I realized they're doing more renovations than just your wood.

1476
02:31:36,240 --> 02:31:43,120
If there, we had asked and I believe the answer was no that there was no city match needed for the state funds.

1477
02:31:43,480 --> 02:31:48,900
If that is not the case, then they certainly can come back because we don't want to lose the state grant.

1478
02:31:48,900 --> 02:32:01,060
But our expectation even based on the hefty amount that we spend on city parks is that for $2 million, they can do the renovation of this park, given it size.

1479
02:32:04,280 --> 02:32:04,780
Okay.

1480
02:32:05,000 --> 02:32:07,380
Just to be clear, you're cutting the city's port.

1481
02:32:07,560 --> 02:32:12,700
The city portion of 525,000 accepting the state grant of $2 million.

1482
02:32:13,360 --> 02:32:14,880
Is there a second?

1483
02:32:15,620 --> 02:32:15,960
Second?

1484
02:32:16,440 --> 02:32:17,880
Seconded by Tom.

1485
02:32:17,880 --> 02:32:32,880
And let me add Laura that they're also talking about putting a spray pad, a new spray pad in and we heard from city managers that these pads are problematic.

1486
02:32:34,000 --> 02:32:43,880
They don't work and we would encourage them, you know, not to do that and to save some money by eliminating that because the maintenance is just killing us.

1487
02:32:44,800 --> 02:32:47,540
Okay. Any other questions or comments?

1488
02:32:49,480 --> 02:32:53,540
All right. We'll take it to a vote. Is there anyone opposed to or abstaining from this motion?

1489
02:32:55,500 --> 02:32:58,020
All right. Hearing none, then it passes unanimously.

1490
02:32:59,900 --> 02:33:00,200
Okay.

1491
02:33:03,320 --> 02:33:08,040
I have something on page 109 unless there's something

1492
02:33:10,060 --> 02:33:12,280
before that.

1493
02:33:15,130 --> 02:33:20,830
Okay, this is for unaccepted roads rebuilding and painting.

1494
02:33:21,590 --> 02:33:28,510
I'd like to make a motion to cut the entire amount 1,750,000.

1495
02:33:29,110 --> 02:33:31,170
Is there a second of my motion?

1496
02:33:33,750 --> 02:33:35,210
All right, seconded by Jennifer.

1497
02:33:38,760 --> 02:33:43,080
You know, the city has so many accepted roads that have to be paved.

1498
02:33:43,080 --> 02:33:48,040
And I think that has to be the primary focus.

1499
02:33:51,940 --> 02:33:55,360
I also think that there should be some participation

1500
02:33:55,360 --> 02:33:59,860
by the residents who live on those streets who probably knew.

1501
02:34:00,080 --> 02:34:02,840
I think they had to know when they bought their property

1502
02:34:02,840 --> 02:34:07,220
that they were buying on an unexpected road.

1503
02:34:08,360 --> 02:34:11,100
So I would say that the city should investigate.

1504
02:34:11,100 --> 02:34:20,420
like they do with sewer assessments, the possibility of residents adding something to the cost of

1505
02:34:21,760 --> 02:34:28,580
these on accepted roads. So I would ask the city to come back with a better plan other than to fund it

1506
02:34:29,160 --> 02:34:32,720
totally with city dollars. And that's my motion.

1507
02:34:35,410 --> 02:34:36,070
Is there a second?

1508
02:34:37,920 --> 02:34:39,860
You've had a second.

1509
02:34:39,880 --> 02:34:40,840
I've had a second.

1510
02:34:41,580 --> 02:34:42,660
I'm sorry, Jennifer.

1511
02:34:43,320 --> 02:34:44,480
It's getting late.

1512
02:34:45,860 --> 02:34:46,540
All right.

1513
02:34:47,940 --> 02:34:50,260
Any other questions or comments?

1514
02:34:53,300 --> 02:34:54,340
I agree with you, Mary.

1515
02:34:54,760 --> 02:34:56,220
I mean, I certainly don't accept.

1516
02:34:56,820 --> 02:35:02,400
I wouldn't expect the residents to pay for all this or even most of this or even half of this.

1517
02:35:02,520 --> 02:35:03,900
It's going to be very expensive.

1518
02:35:05,060 --> 02:35:09,340
But the WPCA, I believe the residents pay 10 or 20%.

1519
02:35:09,340 --> 02:35:12,100
they paid over a long period of time.

1520
02:35:13,280 --> 02:35:15,260
But I think there has to be some recognition

1521
02:35:17,680 --> 02:35:20,340
that as he said, the residents knew,

1522
02:35:21,060 --> 02:35:23,760
and if they didn't know they should figure it out

1523
02:35:23,760 --> 02:35:25,600
on their first day in their house,

1524
02:35:26,140 --> 02:35:27,820
that their road is not in good condition

1525
02:35:27,820 --> 02:35:30,540
and there's a reason for that.

1526
02:35:31,100 --> 02:35:36,740
And that certainly this board has some expectation

1527
02:35:36,740 --> 02:35:41,140
of participation by the residents,

1528
02:35:43,620 --> 02:35:50,720
something more than token that as part of the cost of these projects.

1529
02:35:53,540 --> 02:36:00,560
Okay. Any other comments? Then we'll take it to a vote. I'm sorry. Yeah, I would just say I think there is

1530
02:36:00,560 --> 02:36:06,340
past precedence if you look back in the city's history many years ago. I mean there's mechanisms

1531
02:36:06,340 --> 02:36:13,200
that were in place for private roads to quote unquote sell the road to the city that may be a

1532
02:36:13,200 --> 02:36:20,060
little bit different than unexpected roads. But it provides some guide path there for everyone's

1533
02:36:20,060 --> 02:36:26,740
sake. So just like people towards that and I guess my only other comment would be this may

1534
02:36:26,740 --> 02:36:34,560
provide some additional capacity for the city to pave tier one roads and I would hope that the

1535
02:36:34,560 --> 02:36:40,980
administration would come back with some supplemental, on those should we have the capacity because

1536
02:36:40,980 --> 02:36:47,260
we certainly need to be doing more paving of up to your one accepted roads. Thanks.

1537
02:36:48,000 --> 02:36:56,460
And filling pottolds, we have a lot of them. Okay. All right. Seeing no, whether hands will take

1538
02:36:56,460 --> 02:37:01,260
it to a vote, is there anyone opposed to or of standing from this motion?

1539
02:37:02,700 --> 02:37:05,260
All right, seeing none, then it passes unanimously.

1540
02:37:06,960 --> 02:37:09,360
Okay. Any others?

1541
02:37:11,260 --> 02:37:14,860
Page 122 Public Safety Complex Assessment.

1542
02:37:19,520 --> 02:37:22,820
I'd like to make a motion to reduce this.

1543
02:37:27,220 --> 02:37:35,420
I'd like to make a motion to reduce this in the amount of two and a half million dollars, which would be the state grant and the capital non-occurring portion by the city.

1544
02:37:38,400 --> 02:37:42,460
Let me just get a second Richard. Is there a second to this motion?

1545
02:37:45,000 --> 02:37:47,400
All right, seconded by Laura. Okay, go ahead, Richard.

1546
02:37:48,400 --> 02:37:57,320
So when this was, when we got the, when this was submitted to the board, the estimate for

1547
02:37:57,320 --> 02:38:01,360
this complex was about $60 million.

1548
02:38:05,280 --> 02:38:13,660
And this board has spent, and there's certainly if it follows the police station construction,

1549
02:38:14,420 --> 02:38:19,140
there will be no participation by the state or the federal government in sharing that cost.

1550
02:38:19,940 --> 02:38:30,980
So $60 million is the equivalent of building a new school, and this board has invested a huge amount of time over a long period of time,

1551
02:38:30,980 --> 02:38:34,380
just to fund the three schools that we're talking about.

1552
02:38:34,660 --> 02:38:39,400
So this is like adding a fourth school and I just don't think it's realistic for the city

1553
02:38:39,400 --> 02:38:45,240
to start down the path of designing this building, whether it's with our money or with the state's money.

1554
02:38:45,720 --> 02:38:54,640
When I just don't see how we could ever approve anything even remotely close to that amount.

1555
02:38:54,640 --> 02:39:05,920
When we're limiting the library for example to $2 million and we just built a new police station in the last 10 years.

1556
02:39:06,540 --> 02:39:10,560
It just doesn't seem feasible realistic or even remotely realistic.

1557
02:39:13,620 --> 02:39:14,180
Okay.

1558
02:39:18,520 --> 02:39:19,480
Any other comments?

1559
02:39:23,100 --> 02:39:24,880
Okay, then we'll take it to a vote.

1560
02:39:25,080 --> 02:39:28,360
Is there anyone opposed to or of stating from this motion?

1561
02:39:31,230 --> 02:39:33,550
Okay, then the motion has carried unanimously.

1562
02:39:35,090 --> 02:39:38,330
Okay. Any other cuts?

1563
02:39:41,760 --> 02:39:54,340
Yeah, I'm sorry. Oh, go ahead, Richard. Yeah, one 24 specialty police vehicles. This is a command truck. I'd like to cut this in the amount of 375,000.

1564
02:39:57,120 --> 02:40:02,980
We don't have sufficient capital down occurring funding and this one just has to wait.

1565
02:40:04,770 --> 02:40:06,650
Okay, is there a second?

1566
02:40:08,810 --> 02:40:10,270
All right, seconded by Tom.

1567
02:40:12,830 --> 02:40:13,730
Any other comments?

1568
02:40:14,170 --> 02:40:14,810
Questions?

1569
02:40:16,090 --> 02:40:19,710
I agree that if we can differ this one.

1570
02:40:20,030 --> 02:40:20,670
Yeah.

1571
02:40:20,870 --> 02:40:21,310
Another time.

1572
02:40:21,750 --> 02:40:23,970
Is this the one they talked about sharing a truck?

1573
02:40:25,450 --> 02:40:25,990
Yes.

1574
02:40:26,630 --> 02:40:29,190
Yeah, I just don't see that.

1575
02:40:29,190 --> 02:40:30,250
I don't see that happening either.

1576
02:40:31,290 --> 02:40:33,550
So I think this is a good call.

1577
02:40:35,170 --> 02:40:35,410
Okay.

1578
02:40:35,410 --> 02:40:42,190
All right, is there, we'll take it to a vote, is there anyone opposed to or abstaining from this motion?

1579
02:40:44,560 --> 02:40:47,980
All right, seeing none, then the motion has passed unanimously.

1580
02:40:49,740 --> 02:40:51,220
Okay, next.

1581
02:40:52,060 --> 02:40:53,840
Page 129.

1582
02:40:56,220 --> 02:41:00,120
The fire apparatus, the tanker truck.

1583
02:41:02,740 --> 02:41:06,920
I think this one needs more information.

1584
02:41:07,660 --> 02:41:11,400
The chief said told us that turn of river was going to pay half.

1585
02:41:12,940 --> 02:41:16,860
I'm not really sure how turn of river is going to pay the half.

1586
02:41:17,260 --> 02:41:21,180
What I would hate to see is turn of river borrowing the money and then looking for additional

1587
02:41:21,180 --> 02:41:26,340
appropriations from the city to pay it's debt service when, you know,

1588
02:41:26,500 --> 02:41:30,500
our debt services are our rate of borrowing is a lot less than what

1589
02:41:30,500 --> 02:41:35,660
turn of river boroughs. I'm also wondering if this could just be put

1590
02:41:35,660 --> 02:41:41,440
off for another year. We just approve not to long ago a very expensive

1591
02:41:41,440 --> 02:41:50,000
fire apparatus. I know there is another water tanker in this location. It

1592
02:41:50,000 --> 02:41:56,620
feels a little bit like it's a luxury to have the second one there. Maybe we could put it

1593
02:41:56,620 --> 02:42:01,340
off for another year and they can come back when they figured out exactly how they're going to

1594
02:42:01,340 --> 02:42:05,960
fund the balance of the cost of the truck.

1595
02:42:08,700 --> 02:42:12,280
Okay. Was there a second to that motion?

1596
02:42:14,590 --> 02:42:15,490
It's not all

1597
02:42:15,490 --> 02:42:17,150
set the second to that motion.

1598
02:42:20,820 --> 02:42:26,100
Okay, I'll second it. All right. All right. Any other questions or comments?

1599
02:42:27,680 --> 02:42:43,580
I'm very low. I would just say to Laura's point, if the folks at Chernower have a fundraising plan or some other plan ready and, you know, months from now, sure, bring it forward. We've looked at supplemental appropriations.

1600
02:42:46,310 --> 02:42:50,550
I'm not going to make sure they're they're in good financial status. Well, so thanks.

1601
02:42:51,530 --> 02:42:53,490
Okay, Jennifer.

1602
02:42:55,920 --> 02:43:01,240
Yeah, I would just say that I think the next degree that they should come back

1603
02:43:02,220 --> 02:43:05,620
for the next time and just I think lay out clearly.

1604
02:43:06,880 --> 02:43:14,040
The needs in the funding and that you know, explain to I think this board why it's in this

1605
02:43:14,040 --> 02:43:21,040
capacity and not just a luxury. So I look forward to seeing them come back.

1606
02:43:22,000 --> 02:43:22,480
Okay.

1607
02:43:22,860 --> 02:43:25,580
Laura, you moved to cut the whole 800.

1608
02:43:26,560 --> 02:43:28,900
Yes. Should I just move to cut the filter?

1609
02:43:28,900 --> 02:43:32,380
No, that's, you know, I was going to say I didn't remember what you had done.

1610
02:43:33,260 --> 02:43:35,920
I'm not sure what I'm not sure at this point would.

1611
02:43:36,000 --> 02:43:39,260
I did either so 800. Thank you.

1612
02:43:39,260 --> 02:43:49,300
All right, so there's a motion to cut the entire amount on page 129, which is the water tanker.

1613
02:43:49,580 --> 02:43:54,660
Okay, we'll take it to a vote then. Is there anyone opposed to or of standing from this motion?

1614
02:43:56,540 --> 02:43:59,160
All right, seeing none, then the motion is carried unanimously.

1615
02:44:01,440 --> 02:44:02,440
Okay, next.

1616
02:44:02,440 --> 02:44:07,120
I'm very glad something on 138 was someone has something before.

1617
02:44:09,400 --> 02:44:13,660
I'm going to propose a $500,000 reduction to this line item.

1618
02:44:13,860 --> 02:44:20,320
Currently is a $2.5 million request so that we bring it to $2 million.

1619
02:44:21,000 --> 02:44:22,440
So I'll move that.

1620
02:44:23,720 --> 02:44:25,140
Okay, is there a second?

1621
02:44:27,510 --> 02:44:28,510
Seconded by Richard.

1622
02:44:29,810 --> 02:44:30,030
Okay.

1623
02:44:30,030 --> 02:44:45,530
And rationale is the list and there's endless need here, but I think this is a significant amount when I look at prior years it is more than some years it's on task with some years.

1624
02:44:45,530 --> 02:44:53,610
If their significant needs, that can't wait to the next capital budget cycle, people can bring that forward.

1625
02:44:54,210 --> 02:44:59,930
But it would be kind of nice to have a predictable moment that doesn't very dramatically up and down when we're...

1626
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:08,260
We're talking about upgraded upgrades or replacement of the fleet, though we can properly budget for it. So that's all right.

1627
02:45:08,260 --> 02:45:11,660
Okay. Other questions or comments?

1628
02:45:13,460 --> 02:45:18,660
All right, hearing none, then we'll take it to a vote. Is there anyone opposed to or abstaining from this motion?

1629
02:45:20,600 --> 02:45:23,320
All right, hearing none, then it passes unanimously.

1630
02:45:23,320 --> 02:45:35,420
I have an item on 139 and this is for Citywide Technology Replacement and Upgrade. I would

1631
02:45:35,420 --> 02:45:47,900
like to make a motion to cut $250,000 from this. There's a request for $1,972,000 with

1632
02:45:49,080 --> 02:45:59,400
a balance already there of $578,000 that they have not yet spent. So I think a $250,000

1633
02:45:59,400 --> 02:46:04,800
cut is definitely in line. Is there a second to the motion?

1634
02:46:07,060 --> 02:46:08,500
All right, seconded by Jeff.

1635
02:46:09,400 --> 02:46:10,940
Questions or comments?

1636
02:46:13,950 --> 02:46:17,990
We're adhering on, then we'll take it to a vote. Is there anyone

1637
02:46:17,990 --> 02:46:20,750
opposed to or of stating from this motion.

1638
02:46:23,500 --> 02:46:28,560
Okay, the motion has carried unanimously. Okay, next.

1639
02:46:28,900 --> 02:46:33,720
Earlier, I have something on the next page. I think it's 139. Okay.

1640
02:46:35,440 --> 02:46:41,140
What? 40. 40. I just said, I just said 139. I'm sorry. 40. Yep. Sorry, next page.

1641
02:46:42,860 --> 02:46:48,660
I'm going to propose a $300,000 reduction. And that would bring it in line with what the

1642
02:46:48,660 --> 02:46:56,540
planning board but forward. We didn't spend a lot of time on this item, but the planning board did.

1643
02:46:56,920 --> 02:46:59,320
So that's my rationale, so I'll also move that.

1644
02:47:00,120 --> 02:47:01,940
All right, is there a second to this motion?

1645
02:47:04,800 --> 02:47:09,260
All right, seconded by Laura. All right. Any other questions or comments?

1646
02:47:10,180 --> 02:47:11,680
And that that was to cut the whole thing.

1647
02:47:13,300 --> 02:47:13,320
Jeff.

1648
02:47:14,340 --> 02:47:16,260
No, cut 300,000.

1649
02:47:16,260 --> 02:47:18,240
No, 300,000. Sorry. Thank you.

1650
02:47:18,240 --> 02:47:24,520
it, yeah, it'll bring us down to a net 900,000, which is what the planning board approved, and then the

1651
02:47:24,520 --> 02:47:32,960
administration, up that, okay, two million. So it brings it back there, and then of course,

1652
02:47:33,160 --> 02:47:37,840
if there's a, you know, something that was unforeseen, I mean, we'll always pick it up during the

1653
02:47:37,840 --> 02:47:38,860
year if I was needed.

1654
02:47:42,020 --> 02:47:45,280
So. Okay. Any other questions or comments?

1655
02:47:47,790 --> 02:47:49,330
Or at hearing none, then we'll take

1656
02:47:49,330 --> 02:47:53,210
to a vote, is there anyone opposed to abstaining from this motion?

1657
02:47:54,950 --> 02:47:57,650
All right, seeing none, then it passes unanimously.

1658
02:48:01,210 --> 02:48:06,370
Okay, I have something on page 141.

1659
02:48:07,490 --> 02:48:13,990
There's a request for $425,000 under capital non-reoccurring.

1660
02:48:14,570 --> 02:48:26,430
I think we can reduce that slightly, so I'd like to make a motion to cut 125,000 out of this number, bringing it down to 300,000.

1661
02:48:29,440 --> 02:48:31,120
Is there a second of my motion?

1662
02:48:32,680 --> 02:48:33,720
Seconded by Jen.

1663
02:48:36,100 --> 02:48:37,740
Any other questions or comments?

1664
02:48:40,540 --> 02:48:42,680
All right, seeing none, then we'll take it to a vote.

1665
02:48:42,840 --> 02:48:45,760
Is there anyone opposed to or abstaining from this motion?

1666
02:48:47,070 --> 02:48:53,690
right seeing none then this passes unanimously. Okay, anything else?

1667
02:48:57,980 --> 02:49:00,400
Okay, if not then that concludes.

1668
02:49:01,060 --> 02:49:08,900
Well, we do have, yeah. Oh, I'm sorry. We have to go back to that item age 73, right?

1669
02:49:09,240 --> 02:49:19,080
69 69 69. Yeah, so I wasn't able to confirm if that was a match, but looking at the description,

1670
02:49:19,080 --> 02:49:31,620
And the original request for 300,000 that at the department level was to do the highway division

1671
02:49:31,620 --> 02:49:38,340
at McGee Avenue facilities, but the facilities building and the park maintenance building.

1672
02:49:38,900 --> 02:49:47,280
Looking at the description, for the 360% of it would be grants and 120 would be the portion

1673
02:49:47,280 --> 02:49:49,220
and that we found

1674
02:49:53,580 --> 02:49:54,740
that that's a match.

1675
02:49:56,240 --> 02:49:59,000
Well, the planning board took it down to 75.

1676
02:49:59,740 --> 02:50:02,240
Yeah, I was going to say that they did reduce it to 75

1677
02:50:02,240 --> 02:50:04,800
because there is a 125,000 dollar balance

1678
02:50:04,800 --> 02:50:08,440
in the project that was approved in fiscal year 24

1679
02:50:08,440 --> 02:50:09,880
that was all bonds.

1680
02:50:10,240 --> 02:50:12,280
So I believe their thought process

1681
02:50:12,280 --> 02:50:15,200
was that they can utilize some of that

1682
02:50:15,200 --> 02:50:17,080
to get to the 300,000.

1683
02:50:17,880 --> 02:50:31,240
One other thing to put out is that on the originally Quest $125,000 was to put some charge and stations at fleet.

1684
02:50:32,580 --> 02:50:41,400
So obviously, they can't do all four locations with these requests with the plan and boards cut.

1685
02:50:42,340 --> 02:50:44,640
That's all the information I can give you at this point.

1686
02:50:46,200 --> 02:50:54,440
So, you're saying that the city funding is somehow linked to the state grant, am I understanding you?

1687
02:50:55,000 --> 02:51:01,820
It is linked to do those three locations that I mentioned.

1688
02:51:02,580 --> 02:51:07,020
But as far as if it's a match or not, I don't have that answer for you.

1689
02:51:09,420 --> 02:51:10,640
Tony, thank you.

1690
02:51:11,500 --> 02:51:14,880
Mary, with the year-to-date balance, um,

1691
02:51:15,200 --> 02:51:19,560
that's already in the count being able to be used towards the, towards a matchup that was required.

1692
02:51:21,480 --> 02:51:24,660
Well, that's what that. That's what the planning board thought. Yeah.

1693
02:51:24,660 --> 02:51:27,520
That's why they reduced it from 120 to 75.

1694
02:51:28,300 --> 02:51:28,760
Yeah.

1695
02:51:32,100 --> 02:51:35,220
I mean, obviously we'd love to take a banjo of whatever state money we get.

1696
02:51:35,220 --> 02:51:36,440
We get so little of it.

1697
02:51:37,240 --> 02:51:41,560
But I'm all in favor of reducing the city's amount if we can.

1698
02:51:44,640 --> 02:51:47,120
So what's the pleasure of the board?

1699
02:51:47,860 --> 02:51:51,180
Tom, you made a motion to 155,000.

1700
02:51:51,460 --> 02:51:52,840
There was a second I believe.

1701
02:51:53,520 --> 02:51:54,120
I did.

1702
02:51:56,160 --> 02:51:56,720
So.

1703
02:51:57,160 --> 02:51:59,080
So we check it to a vote.

1704
02:51:59,540 --> 02:52:00,540
Any other comments?

1705
02:52:01,840 --> 02:52:02,160
All right.

1706
02:52:02,780 --> 02:52:07,320
Is there anyone opposed to or of standing from this motion?

1707
02:52:10,100 --> 02:52:11,120
I'm a post.

1708
02:52:12,300 --> 02:52:15,230
All right.

1709
02:52:15,750 --> 02:52:17,770
So anyone else?

1710
02:52:18,870 --> 02:52:19,090
All right.

1711
02:52:19,110 --> 02:52:23,810
So the motion passes with the four in favor and two opposed.

1712
02:52:24,930 --> 02:52:33,510
I would just add that if we have misinterpreted that they can always come back and and represent it.

1713
02:52:34,450 --> 02:52:34,670
All right.

1714
02:52:36,110 --> 02:52:36,750
Okay.

1715
02:52:38,330 --> 02:52:38,750
All right.

1716
02:52:38,750 --> 02:52:44,210
Have we covered everything? Is there just anybody have any more motions left?

1717
02:52:47,850 --> 02:52:53,950
Let me just confirm the amount. 11.544.

1718
02:53:02,430 --> 02:53:06,150
For the total cuts? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1719
02:53:06,210 --> 02:53:09,390
For the capital. Yeah, for total capital cuts.

1720
02:53:09,750 --> 02:53:11,430
Total, we have 12.

1721
02:53:11,750 --> 02:53:13,750
We have 12 million, 575.

1722
02:53:14,430 --> 02:53:15,910
That's what I have as well.

1723
02:53:15,910 --> 02:53:18,910
$12,000,000 and $5,75,000.

1724
02:53:19,530 --> 02:53:24,790
Do you want to go through the list we can just read it for you?

1725
02:53:25,130 --> 02:53:27,250
Sure, just run down a list.

1726
02:53:31,810 --> 02:53:33,630
I'll do it by page of...

1727
02:53:33,630 --> 02:53:34,690
Yeah. Perfect.

1728
02:53:35,650 --> 02:53:38,750
By page 28,000,000,000,000,000,000.

1729
02:53:39,190 --> 02:53:39,430
Yeah.

1730
02:53:39,950 --> 02:53:42,390
page 40 is a 250,000 reduction.

1731
02:53:42,810 --> 02:53:42,990
Yeah.

1732
02:53:43,490 --> 02:53:45,570
page 41,300,000 reduction.

1733
02:53:46,190 --> 02:53:46,470
Yeah.

1734
02:53:46,670 --> 02:53:47,750
You're not to say reduction.

1735
02:53:47,750 --> 02:54:04,910
Okay, age 46, 100,000, age 53,000, age 56, 3,000, age 69, 75,000, age 71, 200,000, age 73,

1736
02:54:04,910 --> 02:54:20,910
$3,250,H-7,4200,H-7700,H-7700,H-7700,H-8000,H-8800,H-8000,H-8000,H-8000.

1737
02:54:22,950 --> 02:54:31,230
525,000 page 109, 1,750,000 page 122,200,000.

1738
02:54:32,510 --> 02:54:33,770
Oh, that's it.

1739
02:54:33,990 --> 02:54:35,710
That's it.

1740
02:54:37,790 --> 02:54:38,590
And you have what?

1741
02:54:39,790 --> 02:54:40,290
12575.

1742
02:54:40,590 --> 02:54:41,350
Yes, yes.

1743
02:54:41,490 --> 02:54:41,730
Okay.

1744
02:54:42,210 --> 02:54:42,910
All right.

1745
02:54:44,920 --> 02:54:45,420
Okay.

1746
02:54:45,600 --> 02:54:46,720
We may have some totals.

1747
02:54:46,980 --> 02:54:48,460
Are you or are we good?

1748
02:54:49,600 --> 02:54:52,960
I mean, you're sub, I don't have this sub total, so I couldn't confirm it anyway.

1749
02:54:52,960 --> 02:54:56,800
your sub-totals are what cap-down recurring versus bonding versus

1750
02:54:58,060 --> 02:55:03,960
yeah, yeah, say horn answered. Yeah, you know, the total budget, the total is

1751
02:55:03,960 --> 02:55:16,560
60 million, 607,500. The bond portion is 28,464, I'm sorry, 28 million, 464,000, and 21 dollars,

1752
02:55:17,820 --> 02:55:22,340
and cap-down recurring is 7,230,000. Those are the important numbers.

1753
02:55:22,340 --> 02:55:29,480
7,230, 7,230, is cap number current?

1754
02:55:29,980 --> 02:55:30,100
Yes.

1755
02:55:31,880 --> 02:55:32,060
Okay.

1756
02:55:32,320 --> 02:55:34,700
And that, do you have the reduction on that?

1757
02:55:36,560 --> 02:55:40,980
The original amount was 10,249,000.

1758
02:55:41,140 --> 02:55:41,960
Oh, so that's all.

1759
02:55:42,400 --> 02:55:42,480
Okay.

1760
02:55:42,560 --> 02:55:44,680
So that's about a $3 million reduction.

1761
02:55:46,020 --> 02:55:46,140
Okay.

1762
02:55:46,140 --> 02:55:46,800
Thank you.

1763
02:55:48,440 --> 02:55:49,000
Okay.

1764
02:55:51,080 --> 02:55:51,440
All right.

1765
02:55:51,440 --> 02:55:52,860
So we all tick and tie.

1766
02:55:54,700 --> 02:55:55,040
Okay.

1767
02:55:56,200 --> 02:55:56,660
Well,

1768
02:55:57,920 --> 02:56:00,300
I think we finished our work for tonight.

1769
02:56:00,560 --> 02:56:06,980
I want to thank everybody for their attendance at all these meetings, your patients and diligence,

1770
02:56:07,780 --> 02:56:14,340
and your cooperation in working together to make this as pleasant a process as it can be under the circumstances.

1771
02:56:15,420 --> 02:56:19,940
So thank everybody for helping us get this done together.

1772
02:56:20,960 --> 02:56:27,940
If there is nothing else before us, I'll accept a motion to adjourn.

1773
02:56:29,620 --> 02:56:32,340
Move by time is there a second.

1774
02:56:34,120 --> 02:56:36,820
Seconded by Richard, we are adjourned.

1775
02:56:37,340 --> 02:56:43,900
And I want to thank Elda and Bill McGuire and Tony Romano for their help

1776
02:56:43,900 --> 02:56:48,820
and shepherding us through this process tonight and during the entire budget process.

1777
02:56:48,820 --> 02:56:51,260
So thank you guys appreciate your help.

1778
02:56:51,260 --> 02:56:54,500
And OPM team, we have the whole OPM team here in the office.

1779
02:56:54,900 --> 02:56:57,780
It all, all I'm sorry, all the OPM team.

1780
02:56:57,900 --> 02:56:58,440
Thank you.

1781
02:56:58,640 --> 02:56:58,900
Thank you.

1782
02:56:58,900 --> 02:57:00,360
We'll go out and have a drink.

1783
02:57:00,840 --> 02:57:01,280
Thank you.

1784
02:57:01,540 --> 02:57:02,560
Thank you.

1785
02:57:02,600 --> 02:57:02,820
Thank you.

1786
02:57:03,200 --> 02:57:04,120
All right, everybody.

1787
02:57:04,540 --> 02:57:09,800
Have a good rest of the evening and we'll still convene again when we do the revenue side.

1788
02:57:09,800 --> 02:57:15,380
And I guess we have a regular April meeting, a May meeting actually before then.

1789
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So we'll see each other then.

1790
02:57:17,520 --> 02:57:17,780
All right.

1791
02:57:17,800 --> 02:57:18,440
Good night.

1792
02:57:18,440 --> 02:57:19,420
Have a good day.

1793
02:57:19,540 --> 02:57:19,820
Thank you.