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City of Stevens Point Plan Commission meeting. Recorded December 2nd, 2024.

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will call the regular meeting of the City Plan Commission meeting to order.

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What do you guys want to do? Roll call.

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Mayor Weezza. Here.

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All the person e-bone. Here.

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Commissioner Artson. Here.

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Commissioner Beacom. Here.

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Commissioner Muscovac. Here.

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Commissioner Rice. Here.

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Commissioner Shuler. Here.

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Everyone is present. We will move on.

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Let me share this out first.

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first. Keep forgetting to do that.

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Come on. And item number two is the report, the meeting

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minutes from the November 4th meeting of the city planning commission. Thoughts, comments

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or a motion to accept? I move to accept. Thank you. Second. All right. Motion and a second.

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Any discussion at all? Just a little bit. You know, I read that section where we

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talked about change you know the motion and the had to do with the household

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entities and they covered it fairly well and we did that and that's part that I

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read mostly and I was good with it so thank you good good and I guess extending

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I mean I read these things and they're pretty well written and they're pretty

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good and pretty well covered so thank you for staff and I know staff

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appreciate that. So just so you know and the people watching and listening, legally the

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minutes are required to have the motion and the vote. None of the discussion items are

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required by law in any way, shape or form. And some people would say, oh, well, we record

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all the meetings anyway. So why do we take such good minutes? Well, we take, I like

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having good minutes so people 20 years from now, 30 years from now, can understand

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a little bit of what went on without having to watch through these very exciting and riveting

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edge-of-the-seat type media videos. Even if there's only five minutes span that's riveting.

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Yeah, but I think it's important that we put some of the highlights of the discussion

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so people kind of have an understanding of what was talked about. So that's why we do it,

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which goes above and beyond what we are required to do. But staff is the one

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that take care of that so yes kudos to them I support that great that we've

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shut out of meeting as long as we can we can continue fair enough all those in

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favor signify by saying aye any opposed and that is approved at number three is a

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public hearing and a request from the city of Stevens Point to adopt the

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Stevens Point historic preservation plan consistent with chapter 22.06 sub

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three sub, two sub, A. Adam?

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Thank you, Mayor.

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So I believe this is the third time this calendar year

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that the conversation about this historic preservation plan

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has been brought before you.

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Folks for feedback, a latest time

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being in October presenting the draft historic preservation

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plan before you.

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Just a quick spark notes version

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of what a historic preservation plan is.

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It's intended to be a long-range planning document akin to that of the city's comprehensive

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direct plan outlining some specific goals and objectives for targeted planning areas

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within the city of Stevens Point.

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Just a quick version of what this plan all entails, it's really broken down into three

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different sections.

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First, outlining more background information and existing conditions, so what's the city's

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existing local historic districts and landmarks, along with those on the National Register.

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Second section focusing more on the planning process, so what was all the work that was

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done over the last 16, 18 months or so to get to this point.

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And then the last section, really the meat of the document, focusing on specific goals,

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objectives, and policies for the eight topic areas as included in the memorandum

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and shown on the screen.

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So consistent with our local historic preservation ordinance, the Plan Commission would have to take action on this by way of a public hearing.

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Our Historic Preservation and Design Review Commission did hold the public hearing and recommended approval of this planning document last week, Monday.

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So staff's recommendation is to approve and I also have our Historic Preservation Chair here in person as well.

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Should there be any questions?

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questions. Great. Any questions on the report before we open the public hearing?

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All right.

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I will declare the public hearing open. Anyone wishing to offer a testimony, please step

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to the lectern.

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Sam Lang, 1547 Strong's Ave. Also the district

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panel there. I was just going to say this is something that I really enjoyed to read

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through. This has got some great information in it and some great recommendations and goals.

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So just to everybody that's been a part of getting this put together. Thank you very much

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I look forward to getting some of the recommendations that are in this implemented and

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Again, thanks again. This is a really great document

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It has a lot of information in there that I found to be very exciting about what we could be doing with our historic districts and

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Appreciate it guys

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Public hearing is still open

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public hearing remains open and for the third final time the public hearing is

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open seeing

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no one else wishing to speak I will declare the public hearing

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closed bring it back to the commissioners first of all I want to

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commend staff and all of those who provided input on this plan it wasn't

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an easy process I think we've got a good product in the end so Commissioner

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Shuler I'd like to recommend approval of the plan subject to a final read

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through to clear up all several typos, transpositions.

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We don't do typos.

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Not in the version that gets the council, hopefully, yes.

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Yes, sir.

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We have a second?

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Seconded by Beacom.

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Discussion.

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Yes, sir.

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I also wanted to say congratulations

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on a great process and a great document.

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I love the content.

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I love the layout.

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And I love the telling of the process that you went through.

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I just think it's really a feather in the cap and a really great thing for the city

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So thank you so much for bringing this

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Thank you. Any other comments? Yes, sir. Yeah, I'd like to

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Agree with Jeff there on that and you know the opening statement saying that we could have hired a consultant to do

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We decided to do it in-house. I think they did a great job

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And I'm good with the city doing things that I can do as a consultant

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I'm good with hiring consultants to do things that do better, but we're saving a taxpayer's money.

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Great. Any other comments? Yes? I just I would like to thank all the people that responded to the survey.

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Is that reaches even a broader audience than often city meetings or information, public information meetings.

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And again, kudos to staff. It's really an outstanding piece of work.

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It certainly does, it is. And then once this is approved by council, this will go up on our website as well so people can see it.

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It's available now, of course, through the agendas, but the final draft, SANS typos and grammatical errors will be up after council approval.

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Alright, anything else?

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Seeing and hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying aye.

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Hi.

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Hi.

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Can you pose?

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And that is approved.

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Item number four is our annual, why are we doing this item?

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That's the adoption of the Housing Affordability Report for Permit Year 2023.

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Director?

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Yeah.

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I guess to put it generally, this is one of those items that does need to be ticked

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off as a requirement.

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It does have some value.

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it does offer some interesting data. However, it doesn't hold a lot of weight. So happy

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to answer any questions. I know Adam primarily went through this, so he'd be happy to answer

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any detailed questions, but otherwise would be looking for an approval.

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And really this is just ticking a box. We have to do it in order to get grants and

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things like that, something we do have to do every year.

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So, yes, sir?

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I think it's useful.

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I think it's interesting.

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I think there's a lot of information here

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that can get used as a reference.

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And it may be a TDM, but I think it's good to go through.

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And maybe offer up an opportunity for discussions

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on related matters.

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Sure.

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Is that a motion?

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Mr. Schuler I

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Wanted to pass along a comment. I passed along to Jared and Adam that

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We all realize this for kind of what it needs to be and it would be

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Really nice if we could somehow utilize this

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Effort in the future to get stuff that we could really really use on an ongoing basis because it presents an opportunity for a

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really great trend line information on several topics that seem to be important and I'm glad

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it's done because I know that it is a time sink for something that is one size fits all

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and it could be way more useful but so be it that they want this.

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With that I guess I will move to accept approve.

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Thank you.

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Whatever the proper.

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It's interesting you bring it up about useful information because Commissioner Beacom had

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some interesting ideas regarding housing affordability and some potential future things.

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Do you want to mention that, Mike?

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Yeah.

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It falls under this?

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I mean, to me, data is the key piece, and so, you know, there's a lot of numbers

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in here.

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People quote the Alice report all the time, they quote numbers in here, and data on

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its surface is just data.

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So it's not to say that anything in here is inaccurate, but I use the analogy all the time

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I can give you a hundred words on why Jordan Love will have a great game Thursday against the Lions and I'll use statistics

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And it'll be relevant and it'll be current and it will be compelling

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And I'll give you a hundred words on why you struggle against the Lions and I'll use statistics

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And they'll be relevant and it'll be compelling and you'll please feel struggle

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So statistics alone

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Don't mean anything. It's it's what's inside the statistics for example

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You have 52% of households for rent that are above 30%.

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I've talked to folks at United Way, and I've asked this question here.

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Do you have students in that data?

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United Way would say, if they live off campus, yes.

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I would say that that's problematic.

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Why? It's not that students don't count,

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but for the history of colleges and universities,

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99% of students are going to be over 30%.

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We know that, so that skews the data.

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The other thing we don't know in this data is,

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What about choice?

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I think we look at this and we want to believe that the numbers that are over that 30% are single parents working two jobs struggling to get by.

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You know, you probably have people in there with a combined household income of $90,000 that are spending $3,000 on housing and that puts them into the data.

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But that's a matter of choice.

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And so finding out more about what exists in this data and then allowing us to drill down to who we want to help and

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That grayscale level. I think would be helpful. Okay, so

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The thought was putting a survey together

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Formulate the questions of that survey since we we can't talk about it this month because it's not really technically on the agenda

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But the affordability report is I'd like to add an agenda item for next month to discuss a survey

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regarding housing affordability. And I'd ask the commissioners to start thinking

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about questions that you'd want to see on that. What data would you find useful in

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the housing affordability genre of reporting? So think about it over

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Christmas when you've got nothing better to do than sit and think about work, and

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we'll have it on the agenda for next month. So we have a motion to accept

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the report and it's been seconded. Any further discussion there? I guess

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Just another comment, you know, we have a little discussion about housing here and on

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the planning commission and how to do it and generally I think we've been trying to acknowledge

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it, trying to do something, do a variety of things and low income and single family and

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multi-family and so I don't know if this is a place to discuss it but I do think,

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you know oftentimes we talk about it on specific instances you know does this

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apply or not but I it may be worthwhile to have a more general

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conversation are we doing well are we not doing well and this may be or your

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motion may be an opportunity to do that yeah that might be something we could

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talk about next month for the survey questions and how we're gonna use that

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data. Yes, Commissioner Schuler. To piggyback with Pete, the housing element of the Adopted

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Comprehensive Plan contains a lot of, well, information that was gathered at a certain

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point in time, but the whole point of the information was to be able to draw, identify

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issues and draw conclusions and your goals, objectives and policies are geared toward

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addressing those things. And it seems to me that taking a look at that chapter

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itself and trying to incorporate the information from the housing task force, the information

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from the household density discussion and this that we're talking about now, and the potential

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for soliciting additional information.

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It would be a great exercise and it wouldn't take a ton of time to do, but that would

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be a place where that discussion would be really well served.

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Because I think people would appreciate if the comp plan chapter were up to date with the current thinking.

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And you can certainly update a comp plan any piece at any time. It's not an entire document as we've learned from the neighborhood plans that are coming through.

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That's a great idea. So maybe after we formulate the survey, get the results, we can incorporate that and have a housing summit that would focus just on housing and offer a more open discussion.

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Yeah. Yeah, I don't know that we'd have a public hearing, but again, we get pretty good turnout when we have housing discussions and what to do.

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And, you know, if we're looking at a guiding document, I don't know if a public hearing is a way to do that or a public presentation.

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But I do know that housing is a topic that comes up a lot and this is a part of it.

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And, you know, maybe we can get some discussions on how private we want to keep single family

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housing and how important it is multi-family.

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Good.

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All right.

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Any other questions on the housing affordability report?

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Then hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying aye.

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Aye.

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Any opposed?

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And that is approved.

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So item number five is a request to enter into a donation waiver agreement with the

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Wisconsin Department of Transportation for curb ramp replacement along Highway, State

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Highway 66 and U.S. Highway 10 East.

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To sum it up a little bit easier, the DOT is going to go through the corridor of Highway

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10 and 66 and make sure that we are better utilizing our ABA requirements and putting

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in curb ramps at all the curbs.

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they need permission from us to use city property and do work on city property.

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So all this is doing is just granting that permission.

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I think this is a great thing for the city and the DOT is doing the work.

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So I, in addition to Director Bedouin, would recommend approval.

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And the point of this, sorry, I heard an inhale.

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You can go first.

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You excelled first.

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Something about that there normally would be a fee paid or?

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We still have the option of charging a fee.

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I wouldn't because this benefits the city and the citizens.

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Anytime there's a right-of-way access or use, we could do something like that.

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But isn't the agenda item to actually waive that donation?

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To waive that, yes.

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That's right.

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Oh, I'm sorry. I guess I didn't understand the question.

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Double check it.

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Yes.

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So yes, that's what my inhale was about.

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Is this a cost to the city at all, but this is DOT's spending?

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The only cost is our time.

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Right. Go ahead.

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So I need a motion.

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No approval.

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Thank you.

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Second.

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Great.

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Any discussion?

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Hearing and seeing none.

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All those in favor signify by saying aye.

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Aye.

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Any opposed?

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And that's approved.

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Sorry.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm slower here.

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Item number six is actually postponed.

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That was a request to enter into an easement agreement with Wisconsin Public Service.

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we had I had asked the director to find out some information regarding what the

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easements is actually required for because they traditionally keep their work

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within the city right-of-way and this is outside the right-of-way but we didn't

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get a good answer in time so we're just going to postpone action on this until

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next month so we'll move right into item number seven which is the July

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through September 2024 monthly reports director yeah I guess pretty self

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explanatory reports for constructions evaluations violations July August and

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September happy to take any questions if there are any so I'm sure the

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commissioners are used to seeing these reports we got a little behind with the

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transition.

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Okay, if not, I would ask for a motion to accept the reports in place of

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my file. Make a motion. Move by Beacom. Second by Shuler. Discussion?

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Hearing and

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seeing none. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? And that is

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approved. Item number eight is the last directors report of 2024. Director?

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Director. Thank you very much, Mayor. Development updates. I guess I've outlined a couple as

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kind of run through in case there's any questions by any of the commissioners, but update on

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the bid, Forest Creek subdivision, TID-14. I guess that's maybe a notable one. We do

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have a few administrative corrections that we need to make per the DOR. Nothing substantial.

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Just, again, administrative corrections that would take minimal effort. We do need

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need to have a joint board of review

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to approve one additional item

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or a change to an existing item,

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so pretty minimal.

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Shopco site, Opera House, City Hall,

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the Oaks on Maria Drive,

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and some airport development that we're looking into.

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So that's it for general development.

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Happy to take any questions if there are any.

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Otherwise, just as a note,

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I will be out of the office

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that's the seventh through the 14th of December

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for a pre-planned vacation.

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Okay.

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Commissioner Schuler.

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I'm just wondering if there's any way

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to maybe expand or clarify the status of the opera house.

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I guess I wasn't part of that.

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I'll summarize that pretty quick.

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Okay.

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You're dealing with a 100 plus year old building.

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Every time you pull a board off,

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you find two new problems.

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Labor has been problematic.

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It's just taking a lot longer

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than anticipated, but I can tell you that it's also taking longer because they are doing

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the restoration and keeping the historic value intact, and that in and of itself takes more

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time than normally it would.

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So they've extended the developers agreement, it was set to be done, I think the most recent

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version was December 1st.

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They're moving along, there's always progress, it's just not as fast as some of us would

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like.

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But I gotta tell you, I'm in contact with the owner

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and I'm really looking forward to this thing being finished.

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It's gonna be spectacular.

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That's excellent.

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I just, the phrase that got my interest

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was solidify on submit state approved plans to the city.

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So based on the things they're finding

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and their need to kind of regroup

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and also figure out the people they have

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the time they can take,

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they need to get all those ducks in a row

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to get the plans to state approved by state.

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Right.

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Yeah, so being a commercial business and correct me if I'm out of line here being a commercial enterprise

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The plans have to get approved by the state. There are certain ones that we can do in-house, but they're relatively minor

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So then those plans have to get reviewed by the state. There's usually a significant waiting period there

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And then once they're approved by the state they come back to our approval a final approval

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Here's hoping their ducks can stay in a row. Yes

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I like to add in that it really ties in with the historic preservation plan and your kind

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of leading edge and kind of following through on what you're proposing, saying we're not

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just throwing this out there, we're following it and yeah there are annoyances but it's

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part of the process and dealing with it.

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And I feel compelled to remind everybody that that property was this far from getting

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torn down completely.

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It is only through a happenstance, really, that we found that support wall and realized

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that we didn't need to take down the entire structure because of the severe disrepair.

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I mean, ceiling trusses were cracked and not supporting anything, the roof was literally

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gaming in.

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So anything is better than the loss, but the fact that we found a developer willing

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to take that project on and return it to its original historic facade is pretty

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remarkable.

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All right I think that's it. Any other questions for the director?

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Then our agenda is exhausted. I want to wish everybody a happy holidays and we

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are adjourned at 6 23.

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