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Please stand for the invocation by Councilman Rector, which will be followed by the plan. We thank you for the opportunity to gather this evening in your presence to serve the citizens of this great city. Help us as we navigate our way through the issues that are before us this evening. We choose to look at matters that have the potential to divide us more as operated by oceans. We remain for the most part untouched by the wars and violence that seem to encompass so much of the rest of the planet. We may live in trouble times, but trouble times

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have been with us in the past and will be with us in the future.

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To quote Eric Greydens, the former governor,

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mean fear and suffering.

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Yet from pain can come with them,

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suffering can come strength.

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If we have here at home, we pray for all of our first responders.

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They are the ones and begin the healing and recovering process.

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How we are safe here at home, we pray

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and protect us from the many threats that exist.

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We send our prayers out particularly to their families here at home

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who live day-to-day with the fear that comes from knowing

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their loved ones in harm's way will so dear. We continue to be the enemy of the world

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in the place that many would love to be able to call home. Finally, as we celebrated,

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what would have been Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.'s 95th birthday, I would like my name.

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Oh, man, thank you,

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Councilman Rector, for that moving in.

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The information act certification is required at this time, Madam Clerk. Please present.

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Resolution certifying the close before pursuant to Virginia Code Section 2.2-3712.

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Number 1-2. Now, therefore, be it resolved that the city council of the city of Suffolk hereby certifies that the best of each member's knowledge, only public business matters lawfully exempted from the open meeting requirements of Virginia law, and only such public business matters as were identified in the motion convening the closed meeting were heard discussed or considered by the city council of the city of Suffolk in the closed meeting.

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Councilor motion be in order. Councilman Fossett.

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Councilman Fossett. Councilman Johnson. Second.

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Second from Councilman Johnson. Is there any discussion of the motion?

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Hearing none. Councilmembers prepare to vote. Please cast your vote. Madam Clerk, please

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record the vote.

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The motion is approved by vote of 7-0.

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We're now moved to approval of the minutes from the October 18, 2023. In November 1, 2023,

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three work stations and regular meetings and a motion we'd be in order.

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Councilman Williams, full move and a motion for approval from Councilman Williams, Councilman

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Rector. We have a second from Councilman Rector. It's only a discussion of the motion.

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Very none. Councilmembers prepared a vote. Please cast your votes. Madam Clerk, please

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report to vote.

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Motion is approved by vote of 7-0. At this time we will consider the removal

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of items from the consent agenda and adoption of the entire agenda as presented. Removal

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of any item from the consent agenda would only be necessary if any member of City Council

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wishes to vote on a specific item separately, and a motion would be required. Questions

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and requests for information on specific agenda items can be addressed during the consideration

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of the Consent Agenda after the Agenda Speakers.

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Additionally, City Manager Moore has information regarding public hearing item number 11.

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Mr. Manager, please provide City Council with an overview.

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Mayor Vice Mayor, members of Council, staff is in receipt of a written request from the applicant's agent to defer item 11.

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CUP 2023-018 for 90 days to replace it on City Council's April 17th, 2024 regular session meeting.

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The following are the specifics.

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Item 11 is a public hearing to consider the ordinance to grant the conditional use permit

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to establish a solar energy facility on property located on Hozier Road, Zoning Map 45,

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parcel 5, 5A, 6778, 7B, 7C, and 7D.

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The count numbers 0 5 0 6 4 8 0 0 0 0 5 3 2 8 0 7 0 0 0 5 1 1 3 1 0 0 0 0 5 2 6 9 1 0 0 0 0

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and 0-5184-3,000, 0-511-30000 and 0-517-5100.

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CUPE-2023-018.

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At this time, I would ask City Council's consideration

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of a motion to defer item 11 from this evening's agenda

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until April 17, 2024 City Council meeting

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until Dr. Remainer of the agenda has presented.

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Okay, before we move forward, I heard at the beginning of the meeting and forgot to mention

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as you can see the Council Member of Butler Barlow is not here and she has been excused.

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So with that being said in relation to in regards to the agenda just for clarity,

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anyone who is in attendance tonight regarding public hearing item number 11,

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Noted to City Manager has advised that the applicant has requested, requested the City Council

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continue, consideration of this item to the April 17, 2020, 24-City Councilman.

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Therefore, a motion will be in order at this time to amend the agenda to defer consideration

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of public hearing item number 11 to the April 17, 2020, 24-City Councilman, and to adopt the

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remainder of the agenda as presented.

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Councilman Falsett.

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Mayor Foucault, I do not want to defer Item No. 11, I'd like to accept the agenda as

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it's been presented in No. 11, go forward to be heard publicly tonight.

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So we do not have a motion in a second from that, but I believe we have to address the

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original motion first and if that's defeated then we can ask for a substitute motion or

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if that motion is executed.

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That is the original motion that's on the floor because what had been mentioned by the

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manager was entertaining a motion but no one has so moved it so the motion on the floor

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would be to adopt the agenda as written.

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Okay, so we have no one to make the motion to approve the agenda with the amendment at this time.

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Okay, so without hearing that, then we have a motion from Councilman Fosett to approve the agenda as originally presented without the amendment.

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And do we have a second from Councilman Bennett?

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Is there any discussion of the motion?

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Hearing none, Councilmember is prepared to vote.

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And you are voting on presenting.

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You are voting on approving the agenda in its original form, which would be to hear item number 11 this evening.

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Okay. Council members, prepare to vote. Please cast your vote. Madam Clerk, please

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record the vote.

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The motion is approved by vote of 6-1 with Mayor Duman voting in opposition.

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Okay. Madam Clerk, do we have any agenda speakers that have served? Please explain the guidelines.

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We do not have any agenda speakers this evening. Hearing none, please present the items for consideration.

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The consent agenda item number seven in ordinance to accept and appropriate funds from the

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Virginia Port Authority for the Route 460 Improvements Project.

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Consent agenda item number eight in ordinance to accept and appropriate a V-stop reduction

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in domestic violence grant from the Virginia Department of Criminal Justice Services.

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Consent agenda item number nine in ordinance to accept and appropriate additional funds from

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from the Virginia Department of Criminal Justice Services for the 5th Judicial District Community Corrections Program.

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Mr. Miner, would you please provide and overview the items?

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Mayor of Vice-Mayor, members of Council, item 7 is an ordinance except to appropriate $1 million

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from the Virginia Port Authority for the design of road improvements to Route 460 and its intersection with U.S. 58 bypass.

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This will increase the revenues and expenditures of the fiscal year 2023-2024 capital fund budget by $1 million.

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As part of the FY 2023-2024 capital projects fund budget, $1 million in local funding was proved.

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In regards to item 8, the city has received funding in a amount of $113,300 from the Virginia Department of Criminal Justice Services

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is in support of the violence against women reduction

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in domestic violence program.

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The funding will be used to assist with the salary

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as a full-time prosecutor within the Commonwealth

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Attorney's Office.

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The adoption of this ordinance will increase the revenues

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and expenditures of the consolidated grants fund budget

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by the $113,300.

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There is a local cash match in the amount of $37,

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excuse me, $37,766, which is available

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in the Consolidate that grants fund.

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In regards to item 9, the city has received funding in the amount of $11,464 from the Virginia

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Department of the Criminal Justice Services.

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The funding will be used for salary increases of the Community Corrections Program grant fund

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at staff for fiscal year 2023-2024.

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The adoption of this ordinance will increase the revenues and expenditures of the Consolidate

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is grants run budget by the $11,464.

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There is no local match.

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Thank you, Mr. Manager.

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If there are no questions about the items,

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the motion would be in order to approve

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the consent agenda as presented.

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Councilman Fosette.

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Move to approve as presented.

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In a motion for approval, Councilman Fosette,

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Councilman Rector.

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Second.

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Second from Councilman Rector,

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is there any discussion in the motion?

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Henry Gnone, Councilmembers prepared a vote.

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Please cast your vote. Madam Clerk, please record your vote.

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Council member Rector, can you please cast your vote?

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Thank you.

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The motion is approved by vote of 7-0.

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We do have several public hearings this evening.

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Our first one is an ordinance to grant a conditional use permit to amend the previously approved

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conditions pertaining to the establishment of a bed and breakfast on a property located

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at 231 Pinterest Street, zoning map 34G18A, parcel 154, account number 3524-4100.

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This is CUP 2023-21, Mr. Manager, please provide an overview.

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Mayor of Vice- Mayor of Memphis, Castle, Kevin Wein.

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Director of planning and community development will provide staff report. Thank you, Mr. Manager. Mayer, vice mayor, members of council. As the mayor outlined, this is a request to amend an existing conditional use permit for A bed and breakfast located at 231 Penner Street. Specifically what they are requesting amendment of to the conditional use permit they received roughly four years ago, is to expand the bed and breakfast offerings from two rooms.

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Two guest rooms, to five guest rooms, as well as having an inside cafe that would be

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internal to the bed and breakfast on the first floor of the primary structure and to

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allow for special events that will be open to the public.

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The property is zone RM, it is in close proximity to downtown but it is zone RM that's our

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residential medium zoning district, it's also in our local historic conservation overlay district.

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It is surrounded by residential homes, Zoned RM as well, along that Pender Street block.

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The property features a three-story residential house.

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Currently operates as a bed and breakfast.

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There are various outbuildings located on the western portion of the property, which includes

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a detached two-story framed garage, a small framed building with a covered porch to the

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north and a winery stage to the east.

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The rest, the cafe is currently operating out of a food truck on the premises with a temporary

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use permit issued by the city back in February of 2023.

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So here you have the existing conditions associated with the previous, or the existing conditional

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use permit rather, CUP 2018-17, so I'll walk you through quickly what they're all looking

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to amend, we've highlighted the areas, but this would amend condition one, which speaks

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to two guest rooms, that would change to five as proposed. Additionally, the accessory

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uses of private parties and similar activities to be only hosted by the bread and breakfast

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Just a guest that would be modified to allow the public to operate activities there as well.

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And number six, as exists on the screen here, limits meals being served on the site to register guests only.

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Being a bed and breakfast in the city provided that it is conditioned.

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As a part of the approval they can open up and offer meals to those that are not registered

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guest as well.

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So that's what they're looking to amend.

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Lastly, number 12 here states that no events open to the public without a permit are

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a change in zoning.

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This amendment would eliminate that as well.

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I hear you have a floor plan of the use of site plan rather.

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The proposed cafe would be indoors and would not really have much impact on the surrounding

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neighbors as demonstrated by the food truck there. Currently, the use for receptions and

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private parties and similar activities was previously approved and the additional request

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to include special events that would be available to the public is not anticipated to present

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any adverse effects. The previous conditions restricted only guest hosting gatherings as

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As an accessory used to the bed and breakfast, however, this would allow for gatherings and special events to be open to the public and B&B guests as well.

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The property is located within the residential zoning district and is surrounded by residential uses.

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However, the subject property is located within walking distance of the central downtown area, which consists of a variety of commercial uses.

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The location of the property, one being in the historic district in downtown, it benefits

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from the existing infrastructure there, such as sidewalks and parking, that would assist

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in supporting the special events in the cafe use as proposed.

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The site does have 25 parking spaces on site, which is ample enough to serve the uses

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and I'll touch on this but they do have a shared parking agreement with a large parking lot operator down the street.

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This is the floor plan. The highlighted areas indicate the dining room areas that will support the cafe counter, which is also highlighted on this.

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I hear you can see a close up of those parking spaces on site and as stated there are plenty

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of parking on site to support the use.

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We did have a concern about the open to the public gatherings.

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And they have presented us with a shared parking agreement that will allow them to use the existing parking lot at North Main and Finney Avenue. There is a sidewalk connection to this property along Finney Avenue. And they have permission to utilize 20 spaces on Friday and Saturdays and an additional 10 spaces in this parking lot during the week.

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Staff has evaluated this conditional use permit against the criteria within the UDO.

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So for the issuance of the conditional use permit and we've concluded that it can operate

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in a fashion compatible with the uses established within the neighborhood and we'd recommend

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its approval.

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The Planning Commission at their meeting, December 19, 2023 voted 4-3 to approve a resolution

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that recommends approval of this application to you all with the conditions as presented.

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That concludes my presentation on this item.

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I'll be happy to stand by at the conclusion of the public hearing to address any concerns.

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Okay. Thank you, Mr. Wine. Before we open the Public Hearing Madam Clerk, please explain

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the timing system. This is a public hearing and each speaker is asked to provide their

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name and their address. We will have a 10-minute period for the proponents, a 15-minute period

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for those in opposition, and then an additional five minutes for rebuttal.

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This is a public hearing where the first speaker please come forward and provide their name

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and address, and that is to speak in favor of this ordinance.

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My name is Melody Brown.

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My home address is 332 Wimbledon Chase and Chesapeake,

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and I'm the owner of Cafe Divina.

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Mayor of Vice Mayor and City Council members,

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thank you for hearing me today

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and for considering my proposal.

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For the last eight months,

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Cafe Divina, a coffee bar and Creeper each trailer,

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has been open to the public and serving

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under a temporary use permit at the Penter House,

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with deep bit of breakfast.

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It has been a pleasure serving this community,

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and we have received overwhelming support from them.

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So much so that within eight weeks of our opening in May,

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we knew we were out growing the serving space

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on a small trailer, and we found it challenging

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to accommodate as many people who came

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to enjoy the cafe.

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It is an honor to be part of an ever-growing restaurant

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scene in downtown.

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I believe Cafe DeVina will have a part to play

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in the impressive revitalization efforts

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happening within our city.

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The expansion of Cafe DeVina's operations

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from a mobile food trailer to a cafe inside the Penter House will create opportunities for B&B guests and cafe patrons to enjoy exceptional food engaged with the gorgeous property and the history behind it and even learn about the art form that is making craft coffee.

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We have had a collectively positive response within the neighborhood and a general excitement to have a coffee house and creepery within walking distance.

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In addition to the establishment, the addition of this establishment within the proximity

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of downtown would promote a walkable and safe community, create a small win within a thriving

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downtown economy, and create the addition of other entrepreneurs to take up residency

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in vacant storefronts.

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This is all in addition to the positive impact the Penner House has had in the community

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for the last four years.

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I would like to thank our neighbors and our regulars in my staff for being present

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today to give their input.

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And thank you for your time.

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Thank you.

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We have our next speaker to speak in favor.

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Do we have anyone else who would like to come forward to speak in favor of this ordinance?

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Good evening.

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My name is Courtney Hayes and I live at 714 North Broad Street.

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I would like to speak on half of Cafe Divina as a new grad nurse in the community.

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I, all through nursing school in the community of Suffolk, was always looking for places

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to go and study, grab a coffee, and that was never really an option for me in my time

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of school.

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I was always driving outside of Suffolk to go and find a place, and since Cafe Divina has

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opened, it is such an awesome way to bring the older generation and the younger generation

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as a place to go and study, just grab coffee, and really bring the community together, and

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and I think it really has the great value and input

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to revitalize Suffolk and bring everyone together

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in that way.

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Okay, thank you.

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We have our next speaker to speak in favor of this ordinance.

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My name is Cassidy Hayes, and I live at 714 North Broad Street here in Suffolk. As a small business owner here in Suffolk, I would like to speak on behalf of Cafe Divina. It's a perfect space to have other small businesses come and collaborate with small events. As well as that, I think it's just an awesome opportunity to bring in people from all over Hampton Roads here to Suffolk. And like Courtney said, it's a great way to help revitalize Suffolk and bring people to the downtown.

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town area. Thank you. Thank you. We have our next speaker, please.

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Good evening. My name

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is Michaela Parnin. Sorry, I lost my voice, by the way. I live at 105 High Field Road

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in Suffolk, Virginia. And I appreciate history more than anything. And I love that it's bringing

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back that old Suffolk history and appreciating it and combining the different pieces of history

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with a place to socialize and a positive environment for all the city to enjoy so I enjoy that more than anything and it's always good people and there's so much to do there and so much to look at so I really appreciate that. Thank you.

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All right. Thank you.

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We have our next speaker to speak in favor.

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Do we have anyone else who would like to speak in favor of this ordinance?

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Hello,

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I'm Dory Stole, I'm at 1113 Pine Valley Drive and I'm new to Suffolk.

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So I've been exploring and I've been trying out the dining establishments, cultural

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attractions, the library, love the library, and have found many wonderful places.

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One thing that I did feel was sadly lacking was a really nice coffee spot and I was delighted

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I wanted to discover Cafe de Vina, it serves wonderful coffee, it's a great place to gather, I brought friends over there, and I would love to see to be able to go there for other events, it has this really beautiful outdoor space, and I think it would be

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added attraction to Suffolk in addition to the other many wonderful attractions, thank you.

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Yeah.

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Thank you.

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Do you have a next speaker please?

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Speak in favor.

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Good evening.

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My name is Michael Luther.

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I live at 1245 Westover Avenue, Norfolk, Virginia, just over the water.

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But my wife works at Caffeine as one of the lovely baristas there, very lovely, in fact.

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But I'm biased.

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I noticed that some young people were basically the first to speak, but I also kind of wanted

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to emphasize that every once in a while my wife comes home and tells me a story about

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these old ladies that gather and play bridge in the cafe and it's really like lovely.

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It's a very lovely little story.

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Like, I've just cross generational gatherings in a space that is meant for everybody and

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is open to the public and is safe for everyone and doesn't cross any boundaries or a loud

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music or anything like that, it's just for everyone.

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And so I just wanted to kind of bring up an image of that for you all tonight and end

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it there.

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So thank you.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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We have our next speaker, please.

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Hi.

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My name is Megan Mansfield.

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I live at 2002 Island Park Circle in Suffolk, Virginia.

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I'm also a small business owner and I am on a board as a treasure here in Suffolk as well.

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I am super excited for Cafe Divina.

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I think it's a great opportunity as someone already mentioned for people to get together

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and collaborate.

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Also, I recently just met a friend there who's a small business owner as well and we got

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together, we collaborated, we were making plans for this year in both of our small businesses

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and how we want to evolve and make an impact on suffix.

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so it was

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A great opportunity for us to get really good, delicious coffee, and something to eat, and then talk about our future plans for our businesses. So, thank you. Thank you.

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Your next speaker, please.

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Anyone else present who'd like to speak in favor of this ordinance?

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Hello,

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my name is Kristen Henson and I live at 1237 River Road.

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I have been tight with Mel and Chris for years and back from when they did events before

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Cafe Divina existed in anything or anything.

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And Cafe Divina and Pair House in general are so important to downtown, especially with

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the revitalization that we're trying to do.

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It is like I'm trying not to repeat what everybody else said without saying like clapping or

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anything because everything was so great and so true. But all in all, it's just a great

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place to come together to get the creativity going, to revitalize downtown, and there

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are no complaints like Suffolk has started to become known. Like, okay, do you mean it?

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That's in downtown Suffolk. And that's such a good thing to start bringing life back to

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downtown Suffolk and I can't wait to see what they do. Thank you.

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Thank you. We have our next speaker please.

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Is there anyone else present who would like

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to speak in favor of this ordinance.

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Hearing none, we'll now move to opposition speakers.

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Do we have anyone present who would like to speak

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in opposition to this ordinance?

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Good afternoon, Mayor Dumann.

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Vice Mayor Ward, members of council,

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my name is Amos Riddick.

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And I reside at 2.30 Pena Street in Suffolk.

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I'm before the night that you table this decision.

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And my reason for asking that is that I

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I want this decision to be made in a full and truthful decision and my reason for

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stating that there is, I've been a member, I mean I've been a member of Old Town Suffolk

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for 30 years.

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I live directly across from the bed and breakfast and one of my reasons for asking all to table

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this event is parking.

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They have the space I agree, they have the space to hold their guess, I guess don't know

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that and they are all parked directly in front of my house, some parked and blocked my

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driveway, some double parked.

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I have spoken to Mr. Brown and reference to that and we had a gentleman come over for you

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all truck parked directly in front of my house and I told him I said hey,

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sprout, I got to get out on a little bit to go pick up some picnic tables, I can't see

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to get past the truck, could you ask the gentleman to move? When and how change clothes come back,

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truck was still there. When all about my business come back, the truck was moved, he came over late and

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stayed there. That all I asked them to move and he told me was public parking. True, I've had that

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to happen to me. He had to park in spaces, he had park in spaces that would be free and

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some of his guests would come up and park in front of my house. I don't have a problem

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with that until I aspect the guest and there's no way out of the park for them. And when

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I'd come up to some of his guests and say, hey, you going over to the corporate shop,

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he got parking in the yard. It's a public park and I turn around going to help. But my reason

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asking you once again, it's to address this parking issue, and as council know, the Penal

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Scree quarter is becoming a busy quarter.

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When the train comes, everybody to divert the Penal Scree,

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when there's all city government

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closed down at 5, everybody to divert the Penal Scree to get out of the suffer, it's a

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business quarter.

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And I think that we can accommodate the coffee shop and the beer and breakfast, but we

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got to think smart about the residents and their area.

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And one of, like I said, my reason for sending back the planning would be that they addressed

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the parking issues and to the effect that you can make pearl to fit in the resident parking

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and all that.

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You know, I mean, that could be one scenario that they could address, but give them chance to

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do or to and full assessment before y'all make a vote. And my next reason for speaking and asking

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y'all the table this event, the Mr. Brown sense, he been there. It was a bed and breakfast

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and every year or every two years he coming up to amend this and to add on more and I mean

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it's smart business but there's a residency neighborhood too and now he's don't went from

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a two to a five to 20 gas to a 40 gas to a 80 gas I mean where do you draw the line I mean

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and give planning time to think that out too.

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Then you're taking on new businesses within the bed

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and breakfast.

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I mean, where do you draw the line on that?

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How do you draw the line on that?

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I mean, give planning a fair amount of time

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to make adjustment, bring it back before you guys,

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but I mean, count up the cost.

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I mean, in that area of view, this year's on we had

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but four houses that went up for sale, one on each side of the bed and breakfast.

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I think 237 has been bought by one of the sufferers of businessmen who said that he's

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not going to come in and want to join in with the bed and breakfast and make that a gas

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house for the residents.

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I mean, where do you draw the line?

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The other side of the house are two, I think that's used to be the fire cloth property.

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that's still open, still for sale, then we had 2,000 on the other side of the

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street that were for sale and they're closed but there are you being

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zoned for a resident and business aid that's inviting more and I don't want

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it to become the old town business district still in the old town you know

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neighborhood. I mean there's a things that we have to think about. I have no

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I'm saying to them, I'm trying to run a business, but I live there too, like you, when you

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go home, you want to go home to relax and you want peace and quiet, you don't want

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to go home and you know you got a limousine parked out of the hill, you got somebody parked

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in front of there, you know, and I mean these are everything, I think they should be dressed

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before we vote on approval or do we modify some things or where do we draw the line and that's all the

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massive and I thank you all for listening.

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Thank you sir. We have our next speaker to speak in

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opposition.

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Do we have anyone else present who would like to speak in opposition to this ordinance?

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nun will now move to a five-minute rebuttal period if any one of the proponents would

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like to have an opportunity for rebuttal.

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Now is the time.

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Good evening, Councilman.

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My name is Alan Brown and I'm the owner, one of the owners of the Pinter House along

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with my wife, Chris.

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And I would like to thank Mr. Arters for coming and voicing his concerns.

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And I do remember that conversation when a truck pulled up in front of his driveway and I was trying to locate the owner and get them to move and I apologize to him and I have some solutions to the problem.

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And I think part of the problem is because the food truck was part close to our driveway to accommodate utilities.

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and sometimes people would look down the driveway and not know that they could drive down there because there might be people standing close to the driveway.

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So when the cafes moved inside that problem will not be there anymore.

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Also, I've had some parking signs printed up and wanted to install those in front of the house to direct people to park on our property.

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So I think at some point of a couple of customers maybe did not know that we had adequate parking.

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So that's another solution that we have.

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We want to be good neighbors to all of our neighbors we want to.

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Be able to get along with everyone in the community, just, you know, if we have a business there or not, we've been there for over 30 years and we appreciate everyone that lives on Pinter Street.

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Pinter Street is mixed use. It has businesses on every block of Pinter Street.

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I don't think we are doing anything out of the norm. Thank you very much. Thank you.

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Do we have anyone else who would like to speak in rebuttal?

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Is there anyone else present who would like to speak in rebuttal to this ordinance?

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Hearing no additional speakers, this public hearing is now closed.

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Councillor Norton has been presented for consideration, questions, comments, or a motion.

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Councillor Minn Richter.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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I remember when we moved the business that I was working for from the Berkley section of Norfolk,

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to the old airplane building on Loomis Road.

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The then city manager, Selena Cuffey Glenn,

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introduced the resolution for our conditional use permit

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by telling the mayor at that time, Linda Johnson,

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that what we have here is a happy story.

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I'd like to echo that thought by saying

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what we have here tonight is definitely a happy story.

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We devote a tremendous amount of effort and resources

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to encourage people and businesses

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to invest in our historic downtown area.

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The owners of the Penterhouse Ben Breakfast have invested in our downtown and have established a very successful enterprise.

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They are now coming back to us not because they are struggling and need to change their business model but rather they are coming back before us because they are successful

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and need to make these improvements to better serve not only the folks that come in from out of town but also the many folks that have come to enjoy fresh cup of coffee and a crate.

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And I think based on the number of people that have come up and spoken that don't live

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even anywhere near the downtown area that have been enjoying a cup of coffee and a

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crate at the Penter House speaks to how well they're doing.

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And then, you know, it's mornings like what we have today and we're going to have for the

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next few days that demonstrate the need to be able to serve the folks inside rather than

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outside.

438
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:31,020
A few meetings ago, we discussed the downtown master plan and I described our downtown

439
00:42:31,020 --> 00:42:33,260
is looking at the night sky out in the country.

440
00:42:34,220 --> 00:42:37,320
I said that what we have in the downtown are many bright stars.

441
00:42:38,220 --> 00:42:41,600
The work that has been done to make the Penter House what it is today is definitely

442
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,020
one of those bright stars.

443
00:42:43,720 --> 00:42:49,360
And then with that, I would like to offer a motion to approve CUP 2023-021.

444
00:42:50,100 --> 00:42:54,340
We've got a motion from approval from Councilman Rector, Councilman Thoset.

445
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,060
If I can make a couple of comments, first of all, I would appreciate it.

446
00:43:00,300 --> 00:43:09,960
First off, I want to echo out that I absolutely thrilled of the young folks that came up

447
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:11,380
here and spoke in favor of it.

448
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,700
That's where we're going in this country.

449
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:20,660
The younger folks are going to establish some things and get some things going such as businesses

450
00:43:20,660 --> 00:43:21,460
in the downtown.

451
00:43:21,460 --> 00:43:26,300
and I echo Mr. Rector's comments me in a happy story.

452
00:43:27,260 --> 00:43:36,820
I can remember going to the Pinter House for a tour in a ribbon cutting, I believe,

453
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:38,560
back when they first got started.

454
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,780
Very impressed with the whole operation.

455
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,800
I'll be the first to tell you, I love a bed in breakfast.

456
00:43:47,780 --> 00:43:53,280
They're all over the country and they're just usually very unique in what they do.

457
00:43:54,700 --> 00:43:58,860
And Pena House is one of those in Suffolk that's a gem, really.

458
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,580
And I understand I don't want to take away from the gentleman that came up about the parking

459
00:44:03,580 --> 00:44:04,240
on the street.

460
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:06,940
I appreciate him coming up.

461
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:16,460
I think that Mr. Brown came up in echo that he has some plans to try to mitigate any problems

462
00:44:16,460 --> 00:44:24,880
with his facility impeding and parking in front of the residents across the street or in front of their driveways.

463
00:44:26,580 --> 00:44:43,680
You know, if it's all possible that when you have a big event, you've got to overflow a lot that you can go to and whoever's the coordinator that's running that particular venue could be sure that there's good directions to where they can go overflow and park.

464
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:51,280
You know, I think you have adequate parking inside to accommodate most of the residents that you're going to have.

465
00:44:52,460 --> 00:44:56,560
And I think that this is a thing that we need in our downtown.

466
00:44:56,780 --> 00:44:58,000
This is where we're trying to go.

467
00:44:58,220 --> 00:44:59,940
We're trying to revitalize.

468
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,220
I realize some areas of the downtown, and we're working on this from a lot of angles. And the penthouse is really a part of that process. I mean, they've done a great job there. They've grown a good business. And I truly think that this is a win, win for everybody. I'm sure it will work itself all through. I can't find any reason to not support this. I'm in full support of this, and I give Mr. Rector a second on that.

469
00:45:29,780 --> 00:45:36,360
And I want to thank the Browns for coming up and presenting this tonight and asking for

470
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:40,740
this assistance and I want to thank each and every one of you that are in the audience

471
00:45:40,740 --> 00:45:42,480
that have come out to support them.

472
00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:49,320
This is a big deal and this is a good night for them and I have every hope that this is

473
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:55,080
going to pass and that we can move this along and thank you for wanting to be in the downtown

474
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,220
and thank you for doing what you do where you're at

475
00:45:58,220 --> 00:46:00,720
and all the things you have done and will do.

476
00:46:01,500 --> 00:46:02,980
So with that, I say thank you.

477
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,960
Okay, we got a second from Councilman Fossett,

478
00:46:07,140 --> 00:46:07,880
Vice Mayor Ward.

479
00:46:08,860 --> 00:46:12,220
Yes, Mr. Amway, come up for a second.

480
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:13,280
Can

481
00:46:19,420 --> 00:46:22,140
you show me again where that additional parking

482
00:46:22,140 --> 00:46:24,220
that is round the corner, where is that?

483
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:26,600
This is additional free charge.

484
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,940
So here you have the subject property that started there

485
00:46:30,940 --> 00:46:36,740
and within about 200 feet here you have the off-site parking at the corner of

486
00:46:36,740 --> 00:46:43,540
Finney and North Main Street that is utilized by the first Baptist Church

487
00:46:43,540 --> 00:46:47,520
itself. Right now they have how many spaces, parking spaces? They have 25

488
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:54,200
spaces on site. The additional would that church is like? So they have, they can

489
00:46:54,200 --> 00:47:00,060
utilize 20 spaces on Friday and Saturdays on the church's parking lot, 20

490
00:47:00,060 --> 00:47:08,280
The additional spaces bring it up to 45 with the ability to increase that to 55 ever all spaces that they can utilize on weekdays.

491
00:47:08,540 --> 00:47:13,140
So that would be 30 spaces that they can utilize on the church's property and 25 on their property.

492
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:15,420
Okay, I don't know.

493
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,980
Most like when they have an event that will put something out there, they've got events going on or event going on.

494
00:47:21,100 --> 00:47:27,580
But the residents would know, they know they could park limited places or anything like that.

495
00:47:28,260 --> 00:47:35,800
That would be a question for the applicant there, but I can say from a zoning perspective,

496
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:41,920
since they've been doing events there, we've not received any complaints that I'm aware

497
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:48,100
of in our department as it related to parking or the B&B use.

498
00:47:49,700 --> 00:47:56,580
I see it was a move from one to five room and stuff like that.

499
00:47:56,780 --> 00:47:59,420
What was given to planning at a particular time?

500
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:04,540
Any changes, or exactly what we have, or when they change they want to expand?

501
00:48:05,300 --> 00:48:07,780
So the changes are being presented to you this evening.

502
00:48:08,060 --> 00:48:14,260
It would increase the guest rooms from two guest rooms to five guest rooms.

503
00:48:14,260 --> 00:48:19,600
It would allow for the restaurant to operate interior to the bed and breakfast use,

504
00:48:19,740 --> 00:48:28,280
and it would also allow for events to be held on site that are not necessarily

505
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:29,940
initiated by a registered guest.

506
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:32,320
It would be a plan to get an opportunity to hear that.

507
00:48:32,940 --> 00:48:33,440
Yes, they did.

508
00:48:35,100 --> 00:48:39,520
They heard all of that and recommended for you also approval 43.

509
00:48:40,340 --> 00:48:40,920
Thank you.

510
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:41,480
Yes, sir.

511
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:43,580
Councilman Bennett.

512
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:45,320
Thank you.

513
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:45,800
Why are you there?

514
00:48:45,900 --> 00:48:47,220
I'll just have a question.

515
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:49,440
On the parking.

516
00:48:50,100 --> 00:48:58,680
Is it where that on Penal Street that we can put a time two hours parking for non-residents

517
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:02,520
or something way and that you're not taking all the spaces.

518
00:49:03,380 --> 00:49:05,740
If somebody had worn a paragraph, put a residence.

519
00:49:05,740 --> 00:49:09,520
Is anything can be done to limit the time?

520
00:49:11,540 --> 00:49:14,880
I believe that's an option, ultimately, I think that's a City Council action.

521
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:17,360
Mr. Manager?

522
00:49:17,900 --> 00:49:22,820
I would think limiting parking to two hours is short of the

523
00:49:26,180 --> 00:49:27,200
residents.

524
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:31,860
I mean, you would have to have a mechanism to be able to understand who is a resident and who

525
00:49:31,860 --> 00:49:32,620
is a resident.

526
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:38,170
So I don't know if that would be really an effective measure there.

527
00:49:38,170 --> 00:49:42,850
I know some area that you have a sticker on

528
00:49:45,890 --> 00:49:49,790
enforcement of a two-hour parking in an area

529
00:49:49,790 --> 00:49:54,090
where you wouldn't enforce it on residence, is that any way you can enforce that?

530
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,400
Determine between a resident and non-resident?

531
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:09,840
Mr.

532
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:31,740
Manager, currently we do have some two-hour parking in the city, but it is unrestricted. So, when it is a two-hour zone, it is a two-hour zone to everyone. Thus far, we do not have any residential zones like some of the cities do. We do not have any type of program of that nature at this point in time.

533
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:36,500
Okay. I was thinking in terms of a resident would have a sticker.

534
00:50:39,100 --> 00:50:41,060
Identify their resident.

535
00:50:42,140 --> 00:50:47,100
Yes, sir. So like I said, there are some other cities that have similar programs as you're

536
00:50:47,100 --> 00:50:51,720
describing. And again, it is a pretty significant program that you've got to set up.

537
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,600
We've got to get your stickers in place. You've got to get all the signage in place.

538
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,880
You've got to get everybody educated. So it's not that it can't be done, but we do not

539
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,120
but currently have any of those anywhere in our city.

540
00:51:01,540 --> 00:51:02,400
Okay, thank you.

541
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:06,060
Pleasure, Mayor of the word.

542
00:51:07,540 --> 00:51:11,500
Well, I want to say this here.

543
00:51:12,900 --> 00:51:16,520
Mr. Ridic, the only thing he complained about was the parking.

544
00:51:17,740 --> 00:51:20,620
So is that one of the things he been there 30 years

545
00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:24,320
and for a person just to complain about the parking,

546
00:51:24,460 --> 00:51:28,220
does anything we can do to make him feel satisfied or what?

547
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:29,580
I'm just saying because

548
00:51:29,580 --> 00:51:36,240
because when I see you have events and I say in the place and it's a nice place and

549
00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:40,440
we all agree but with that but what happens when you have a wedding, a hundred, two

550
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,840
and a half people, I mean parking is cars is cars.

551
00:51:45,220 --> 00:51:53,020
So I just want, you know, there's anything we can do to lease, have things in a way that

552
00:51:53,740 --> 00:51:57,620
We already prepare for the business to grow.

553
00:51:57,980 --> 00:52:02,820
I mean, somebody come up there and I live in a community and all of a sudden some come

554
00:52:02,820 --> 00:52:06,340
there and you got to ask about the pocket space.

555
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,500
That's not do anything.

556
00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:10,500
Do you want to ask Mr. Brown how many people?

557
00:52:10,660 --> 00:52:11,420
Yeah, if you want to come up.

558
00:52:11,540 --> 00:52:11,980
You can come up.

559
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:13,380
Brown, if you'd like to come up.

560
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:20,260
I mean, just, you know, once conversation, sometimes I'll solve the problem.

561
00:52:23,240 --> 00:52:24,000
How you doing, sir?

562
00:52:25,460 --> 00:52:34,020
Yes, parking is definitely a concern of ours and like I said, we don't want to cause any type of a parking problem.

563
00:52:34,340 --> 00:52:43,100
So we limit our weddings to 60 guests and we require them to have valet parking from our lot to the church parking lot.

564
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:48,780
So we try the best that we can to keep any parking off the street.

565
00:52:48,780 --> 00:52:55,120
And we've also informed all of our employees to tell any customers if they see them park

566
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:59,200
on the street to pull into our yard.

567
00:52:59,980 --> 00:53:04,860
So we've always tried to make the parking as smooth as possible.

568
00:53:05,940 --> 00:53:13,140
Well as a businessman, I feel that you want to try to be a good business person on the

569
00:53:13,140 --> 00:53:17,040
saying that, but what I'm saying with Mr. Rinc is talking about, you know,

570
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:23,140
that's in front of his house, his driveway, to go out and come back the same

571
00:53:23,140 --> 00:53:26,680
person is there. It got to be some type of working together with that because,

572
00:53:27,100 --> 00:53:31,400
you know, even if he was there, you know, you recognize that, you know.

573
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,940
Yeah, we did have that one, one time we had an incident where

574
00:53:34,940 --> 00:53:42,900
a car was, was blocking his driveway and I tried to find the owner and

575
00:53:42,900 --> 00:53:47,360
and get him to move before Mr. Ridic, but Mr. Ridic pulled out of his driveway

576
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:51,000
before I found him and got him to move, but I did get him to move the vehicle.

577
00:53:51,940 --> 00:53:53,440
But that was an isolated incident.

578
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:55,720
I think.

579
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:57,620
Councillor Minn Johnson?

580
00:54:02,620 --> 00:54:06,320
First of all, I just like to start off by saying, my wife and I do bed and breakfast.

581
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:08,060
That's what we did wherever we go.

582
00:54:08,700 --> 00:54:09,660
Parking is a problem.

583
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,540
And every bed and breakfast I've ever been to, but guess what?

584
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:14,980
Bed and breakfast is worth the parking problem.

585
00:54:15,660 --> 00:54:22,280
In this case, I sympathize with Mr. Riddick as far as the parking goes, but I feel like

586
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,120
I've kind of grown up with the Browns over there.

587
00:54:24,220 --> 00:54:26,040
They have been working on that house.

588
00:54:26,340 --> 00:54:30,460
It's not another person in this city, a couple in this city that has put the time, effort,

589
00:54:31,780 --> 00:54:34,040
and love into a place in the city.

590
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,580
We are very, very, very, very fortunate to have them there.

591
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,700
I wish we had six of them on Pinter Street, no hard feelings.

592
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:45,580
the conversation is to make that we don't want small business, but guys, I want small business.

593
00:54:46,140 --> 00:54:50,880
If we're going to make it a successful street and make us a successful city, which is what we're voting for right now,

594
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:55,520
hopefully we're going to blow this thing out of the water and keep on going, there's going to be parking problems.

595
00:54:55,940 --> 00:54:58,180
And we talk about parking all over the city.

596
00:54:58,780 --> 00:54:59,980
But that's not a real-

597
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:27,240
This is a reason to deny this request. This request is the next step for these folks to move up. We're going from two bedrooms to five. No big deal. They need to have five bedrooms because they're looking up that much. So you got three more vehicles. The parking on the grounds from my perspective is pretty phenomenal to have 25 spaces. Now, is that not going to be more problems on the street? Probably. I mean, that's something we have to work with and maybe come up with a system that we can make it a better place.

598
00:55:27,240 --> 00:55:30,220
But I just want to thank these folks for what they've done.

599
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,120
A cap that makes perfect sense as well.

600
00:55:33,180 --> 00:55:35,700
We might have to look at it again if the problems come forward.

601
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:39,560
But at this point, I see no reason at all that we should deny this request.

602
00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:44,680
This is exactly in line with what we're trying to do in our city to promote down.

603
00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:48,840
I don't even live downtown, guys, but this is what I want to see happen in our city.

604
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,100
Let's give people places like this to come to.

605
00:55:51,380 --> 00:55:53,500
So with that, I say thank you.

606
00:55:53,780 --> 00:55:54,600
And let's move forward.

607
00:55:54,980 --> 00:55:55,540
Thank you.

608
00:55:56,080 --> 00:56:01,880
Councilman Williams. Yes, actually I have a question for Mr. Brown. If you could come up, please.

609
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:18,140
Thank you, sir. And thank you for investing in our city. My question is, and I just want to

610
00:56:18,140 --> 00:56:25,640
understand what you said earlier. You said that during the special events or any large events,

611
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:30,140
that you would put out some type of signage that would indicate that there are additional

612
00:56:30,140 --> 00:56:33,680
park in and not to park on the street, is that what you said?

613
00:56:34,220 --> 00:56:39,740
Well, actually, I have the signs made and I want to permanently put them in front.

614
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,780
We have columns in front of our house and we call them on each side of the driveway.

615
00:56:43,780 --> 00:56:50,580
I wanted to put a parking with an arrow on that column to alert people when they come down

616
00:56:50,580 --> 00:56:55,500
the street to pull in to the property and park and not park on the street.

617
00:56:56,780 --> 00:57:03,640
But we also do have, you know, the valet, they put signs out when we do have a wedding

618
00:57:04,220 --> 00:57:10,180
that, you know, to pull in and then they valet the cars to first baptists.

619
00:57:11,020 --> 00:57:11,460
Okay.

620
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,020
Mr. Wyons, I've got a question.

621
00:57:19,310 --> 00:57:24,610
It's Mr. Brown, head just indicated that he wanted to put on some type of permanent signs.

622
00:57:25,550 --> 00:57:27,450
Can he put on permanent signs?

623
00:57:30,190 --> 00:57:37,850
He's entitled to put a locational signage on his property to direct traffic and circulation

624
00:57:37,850 --> 00:57:38,290
yes.

625
00:57:39,310 --> 00:57:39,530
Okay.

626
00:57:40,030 --> 00:57:41,690
How about special event signs?

627
00:57:42,410 --> 00:57:44,210
So that's basically the same thing.

628
00:57:44,790 --> 00:57:46,970
It's a learned public or the neighborhood.

629
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:49,650
Let them know they had an event going on.

630
00:57:50,610 --> 00:57:55,970
The additional park in this down road, around the street at the church.

631
00:57:55,970 --> 00:58:02,970
and then there's valley parking, but my question is, can that be made part of the

632
00:58:02,970 --> 00:58:07,830
conditional youth permit for him to put out sandwich whenever he has a special

633
00:58:07,830 --> 00:58:14,490
event or a live event, to prevent people from parking on in front of the driveway

634
00:58:14,490 --> 00:58:18,370
or creating a problem on the street with too much parking?

635
00:58:18,370 --> 00:58:33,630
So you could certainly craft a condition that would speak to signage and a signage plan presented to the Plenty Department for approval to ensure that a parking is limited on the street.

636
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:45,560
There are requirements and prohibitions on temporary signage as it relates to the city's right of way.

637
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:51,240
So, once you're getting into the streets and the medians at intersections would have you,

638
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:58,260
we couldn't permit any signs there, be it temporary or permanent, but certainly on

639
00:58:58,260 --> 00:59:02,100
site he has the ability to put some circulation signage up.

640
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:04,260
Thank you.

641
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:04,680
Yeah.

642
00:59:05,780 --> 00:59:06,600
Councilman Rector.

643
00:59:07,860 --> 00:59:08,860
Thank you again, Mr. Mayor.

644
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:14,780
I think embedded somewhere in my comments is what I'm getting ready to say next, but I

645
00:59:14,780 --> 00:59:21,460
just want to make sure that it's clear. We're not inventing a wheel here. We're just simply making

646
00:59:21,460 --> 00:59:29,140
some modifications to an existing business. The bed and breakfast is there. The cafe is there.

647
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:34,440
The only change with the cafe is that they just want to be able to cook and serve the food

648
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:41,800
inside rather than having people stay around outside and going back to the events. My assumption is,

649
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:54,740
And perhaps Mr. Brown could back me up with this, but if there's going to be a wedding or something held at this particular venue, it's more than likely that members of the wedding party are going to be staying at the Pinter House.

650
00:59:55,580 --> 00:59:59,860
So even though we're allowing nonguests to have events.

651
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:19,100
There, my guess is that most of the events that are going to happen there are going to be affiliated with guests that are staying at the facilities. So I just want to keep that in the forefront. This is not a huge change to what is already there. It's just simply an improvement and enhancement to what is already there.

652
01:00:21,900 --> 01:00:30,000
Council, any other questions or comments? Okay, before we vote, I've got a few comments. I agree with Councilman Rector.

653
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:37,060
we are not reinventing the wheel basically what we're doing is rather than requiring a

654
01:00:37,060 --> 01:00:44,720
food truck we're allowing for inside dining. It's a land use issue and while parking

655
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:51,100
could possibly be a problem, it's the parking as part of the application meets the code

656
01:00:51,100 --> 01:00:57,680
and satisfies the requirement. So while it could be a concern, I don't think it's

657
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,320
It warrants not approving this application

658
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:02,440
under the circumstances by a long shot.

659
01:01:03,100 --> 01:01:04,920
I do want to thank the applicants

660
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,600
to Browns for their continued investment in downtown.

661
01:01:08,260 --> 01:01:10,160
It's these type of establishments

662
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:13,940
that are going to contribute to the vitality and economy

663
01:01:14,500 --> 01:01:16,960
of what I hope is a growing downtown district.

664
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:18,160
And that's something unique.

665
01:01:18,900 --> 01:01:20,160
It's something different.

666
01:01:21,140 --> 01:01:23,220
It's something when it comes to downtown,

667
01:01:23,260 --> 01:01:24,840
we want people to wake up in North

668
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:30,540
can say let's go to downtown Suffolk tonight to get something to eat let's go to downtown Suffolk

669
01:01:30,540 --> 01:01:35,440
tonight and do some shopping let's go to downtown Suffolk tonight and go to the culture arts

670
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:40,420
center and see a show this is what we're looking for it's exactly what we're looking for but just

671
01:01:40,420 --> 01:01:48,640
like everything else you know there's issues to be considered uh but under the circumstances um

672
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,700
and support of this ordinance as well.

673
01:01:52,500 --> 01:01:55,880
So with that being said, we have a motion long time ago

674
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:57,620
from Councilman Rector, I believe it was,

675
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,620
for approval and a second from Councilman Fossett.

676
01:02:01,100 --> 01:02:03,640
Is there any other further discussion of the motion?

677
01:02:04,580 --> 01:02:06,520
Hearing none, Councilmembers prepared a vote.

678
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:08,500
Please cast your vote.

679
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:10,700
Madam Clerk, please record the vote.

680
01:02:14,750 --> 01:02:17,210
The motion is approved by a vote of six to one

681
01:02:17,210 --> 01:02:19,430
with a face mayor award voting in opposition.

682
01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:25,550
Okay, our next public hearing is an ordinance to grant a conditional use permit to establish

683
01:02:25,550 --> 01:02:29,930
its solar energy facility on property located on Osir Road.

684
01:02:31,430 --> 01:02:41,290
This is zoning map 45, parcels 5, 5A, 6, 7, 7A, 7B, 7C and 7D.

685
01:02:41,290 --> 01:02:50,110
2-D account number 0-5-0-648-0-0, 0-5-3-2 807-0-0.

686
01:02:50,550 --> 01:03:01,690
0-517-52000, 0-511-3-100, 0-5269-1-0-0-0.

687
01:03:01,690 --> 01:03:18,490
0-518-4300-0-513-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0 and last but not least 0-517-51000, and this is

688
01:03:18,490 --> 01:03:20,690
CUP-2020-23-18.

689
01:03:21,110 --> 01:03:22,810
Mr. Manager, please provide an overview.

690
01:03:23,650 --> 01:03:23,890
Yes.

691
01:03:24,450 --> 01:03:28,130
Mayor vice mayor, members of Council, Kevin Wein will provide the staff report.

692
01:03:29,070 --> 01:03:29,410
All right.

693
01:03:29,410 --> 01:03:31,770
Thank you, Mr. Manager, Mayor of Vice-Mayor.

694
01:03:32,170 --> 01:03:37,890
Members of Council, as stated, this is a conditional use permit request for a collection

695
01:03:37,890 --> 01:03:43,070
of eight parcels on Hoosier Road to establish a solar energy facility.

696
01:03:43,470 --> 01:03:48,470
The property is zoned, A, that's our agricultural zoning district, and it's on the east side

697
01:03:48,470 --> 01:03:49,950
of Hoosier Road.

698
01:03:50,950 --> 01:03:58,570
The proposed facility will consist of 49 megawatts, new megawatts of solar modules, and accessory

699
01:03:58,570 --> 01:04:05,230
equipment on those eight parcels is noted on land totally in 266 acres total.

700
01:04:05,910 --> 01:04:12,090
The property is located within our central growth area and it's designated for use as

701
01:04:12,090 --> 01:04:14,970
our suburban, our inner ring suburban use district.

702
01:04:16,390 --> 01:04:18,130
I hear you have the parcels.

703
01:04:18,810 --> 01:04:21,810
They all have frontage on Hozier Road except for one.

704
01:04:22,190 --> 01:04:25,330
That would be tax map 45 star 7D.

705
01:04:25,330 --> 01:04:32,730
There are existing single-family dwellings on tax maps 45 star 7C and 7.

706
01:04:33,110 --> 01:04:37,050
Those will be demolished to make way for the proposed use if approved.

707
01:04:37,910 --> 01:04:41,310
The remaining parcels consist of agricultural and forested land cover.

708
01:04:41,850 --> 01:04:48,170
In addition, just a non-title wetlands there getting in close proximity to the dismal swamp.

709
01:04:48,990 --> 01:04:50,470
Here we have a conceptual plan.

710
01:04:50,550 --> 01:04:51,790
This depicts the proposed layout.

711
01:04:51,790 --> 01:04:58,490
out the solar panels, access roads, stormwater retention facilities, landscaping buffers,

712
01:04:58,710 --> 01:04:59,850
and other related improvements.

713
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:31,640
This slide represents a visual simulation from a viewpoint on Hozier Road. We were provided several of these, but I chose to utilize this one as an example. To depict what the facility would look like upon the maturation of the vegetation that would be required by our ordinance.

714
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:40,400
You can see visually what exists currently and then what the landscaping would look like

715
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:44,340
after 10 years of growth and 25 years of growth.

716
01:05:47,570 --> 01:05:54,090
As with solar facilities in the past, they're not necessarily traffic generators themselves

717
01:05:54,090 --> 01:06:00,050
once they exist, however, we are concerned, particularly due to some of the more remote

718
01:06:00,050 --> 01:06:04,750
locations about construction traffic and how it will get to and from the site, because

719
01:06:04,750 --> 01:06:08,710
usually there's a three to six month period and where there's a lot of construction.

720
01:06:09,410 --> 01:06:15,590
You have large trucks coming in and out, so we have been provided what we call a construction

721
01:06:15,590 --> 01:06:21,550
hall route that depicts how construction traffic will get to and from the site.

722
01:06:21,930 --> 01:06:25,050
It's been reviewed by our traffic engineering department and accepted.

723
01:06:25,050 --> 01:06:42,130
But in this case, tractor-trailer trucks and dump trucks and the like, accessing the site during construction will be from route 13 Carolina Road, just south of the airport, it's via airport road, tomato country road and ultimately north on Hozier Road.

724
01:06:42,490 --> 01:06:49,070
This will assist in avoiding the downtown narrow roads, like factory, county and hunter street.

725
01:06:49,990 --> 01:06:56,410
And that is, would be a condition of approval should be approved.

726
01:06:56,990 --> 01:07:01,650
Another key concern, and this is kind of lessons learned with the sole facilities

727
01:07:01,650 --> 01:07:08,030
we've seen and approved in the past and have since been developed, but noise, particularly

728
01:07:08,030 --> 01:07:10,550
from the inverters, has been a concern.

729
01:07:11,110 --> 01:07:18,930
So we have been provided a noise exhibit from an engineer, which notes kind of the hot

730
01:07:18,930 --> 01:07:25,850
spots on the property, but really indicates that even at the property boundaries, the

731
01:07:26,770 --> 01:07:33,710
ambial noise is low and really doesn't constitute any necessary mitigation, and it's important

732
01:07:33,710 --> 01:07:39,050
to note that vegetation goes a long way as well to dampen potential noise impacts.

733
01:07:40,630 --> 01:07:48,610
So with any land use application meter rezoning or a conditional use permit, we analyze

734
01:07:48,610 --> 01:07:54,310
the comprehensive plan we analyze the unified development ordinance to identify

735
01:07:54,310 --> 01:08:00,150
whether it's appropriate for the use. What does our comprehensive plan say? So I

736
01:08:00,150 --> 01:08:06,030
did state that this is in the central growth area. Area within our growth

737
01:08:06,030 --> 01:08:10,910
areas it's reserved for higher intensity development. It's supposed to be

738
01:08:10,910 --> 01:08:16,030
in close proximity to existing development and in this case being in the

739
01:08:16,030 --> 01:08:21,990
central growth area. It's designated for use's inner ring suburban use

740
01:08:21,990 --> 01:08:27,050
district and what that means specifically outlined in the comp plan, appropriate

741
01:08:27,050 --> 01:08:31,110
uses in the inner ring suburban include single-family residential,

742
01:08:31,650 --> 01:08:35,110
traditional neighborhood developments, neighborhood commercial, some light

743
01:08:35,110 --> 01:08:40,110
manufacturing among civic and community facilities. That this would

744
01:08:40,110 --> 01:08:44,270
necessarily comply with any of those appropriate uses.

745
01:08:45,230 --> 01:08:51,990
Additionally, as a part of an element of our comprehensive plan, we developed the Carolina

746
01:08:51,990 --> 01:08:53,670
corridor-laying-use strategy.

747
01:08:54,070 --> 01:09:00,530
This goes back early 2000, so it's a little dated at this point, but this property

748
01:09:00,530 --> 01:09:02,970
specifically was a part of that plan.

749
01:09:04,530 --> 01:09:11,130
And the purpose of that strategy was to develop ways to extend the residential and commercial

750
01:09:11,130 --> 01:09:15,250
use of South of downtown, because it's in pretty close proximity to downtown.

751
01:09:16,350 --> 01:09:21,650
This land use strategy concluded that with good planning practices, this area of the city

752
01:09:21,650 --> 01:09:29,520
going down Hozier and really between Hozier and White Marsh could meet the desires to accommodate

753
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:34,840
a thousand new residential units, which could be achieved while generating demand for supporting

754
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:35,980
commercial uses as well.

755
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:45,300
Once again, the site is within the inner ring suburban use district within the central

756
01:09:45,300 --> 01:09:50,660
growth area, and growth areas exist to denote where urban and suburban scale development

757
01:09:50,660 --> 01:09:57,240
is appropriate to accommodate future forecasted growth within the city, land located in the

758
01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:59,920
with areas in reasonable proximity to.

759
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:29,640
Thank you, existing developed areas serve. They're either served or have the ability to reasonably served with infrastructure needed to support their development. It's important to note, in this case, you have two larger tracks of land immediately to this collection, this assemblage of parcels east going towards white marsh that have been approved and ultimately infrastructure lines will one day be land run right

760
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:32,580
to the shared property line there.

761
01:10:32,940 --> 01:10:37,060
So even without that being the case,

762
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:40,060
we have a water and sewer available for extension.

763
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:42,660
Approximately 1,500 feet or so to the north.

764
01:10:45,020 --> 01:10:47,660
And additionally, I think it's really important

765
01:10:47,660 --> 01:10:49,820
to stress the proximity of this to downtown.

766
01:10:50,380 --> 01:10:52,260
We're one and a quarter mile south

767
01:10:52,260 --> 01:10:54,500
of East Washington Street in this area.

768
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:58,140
That's around the Health and Human Services building,

769
01:10:58,140 --> 01:11:02,920
Hall Avenue. Additionally, from an aerial distance perspective, the main intersection

770
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:07,580
downtown, Washington, North Maine, we're about a mile and a half. So it's in really close

771
01:11:07,580 --> 01:11:12,900
proximity and I think that stresses that's why it's in the girth area in this case, due

772
01:11:12,900 --> 01:11:18,360
to that proximity. Here's an excerpt from that Carolina corridor,

773
01:11:18,700 --> 01:11:25,940
Laney Strategy. I've hashed out the property here in question. It's a split of what the

774
01:11:25,940 --> 01:11:28,600
The latest strategy calls for here, ultimately in visions.

775
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:34,920
You have residential that orange color and then that kind of paler red color, maybe darker

776
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:35,380
salmon.

777
01:11:36,340 --> 01:11:41,300
It is slated for business use, we can debate the business use of the property, but ultimately

778
01:11:41,300 --> 01:11:46,960
there is kind of a higher and better land use designated for this property and I think

779
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:49,680
the Carolina Corridor Land use strategy aligns that,

780
01:11:51,710 --> 01:11:53,230
here is a close up of it.

781
01:11:54,130 --> 01:11:59,250
But it does constitute a large percentage of that overall land available for development

782
01:11:59,250 --> 01:12:01,950
between white marsh and hosier roads.

783
01:12:03,070 --> 01:12:08,570
So in conclusion, conditional uses are permitted only through the issuance of conditional

784
01:12:08,570 --> 01:12:14,190
use permit by city council after ensuring the use can be appropriately accommodated on specific

785
01:12:14,190 --> 01:12:14,670
property.

786
01:12:14,930 --> 01:12:19,290
We look at all of these on a case by case basis and that it will be in conformance with

787
01:12:19,290 --> 01:12:20,430
the comprehensive plan.

788
01:12:20,430 --> 01:12:24,070
Staffs reviewed this, we do not believe it aligns with the comprehensive plan.

789
01:12:25,070 --> 01:12:29,190
Additionally, we want to ensure that it can be constructed and operated in a manner which

790
01:12:29,190 --> 01:12:34,510
is compatible with surrounding land uses and the overall character of the community and

791
01:12:34,510 --> 01:12:38,270
that the public interest and general welfare of the citizens will be protected.

792
01:12:39,150 --> 01:12:45,270
All that's outlined in Section 31-3 of 6, C, the Unified Development Ordinance, we every

793
01:12:45,270 --> 01:12:51,670
CUP, you consider we outline those eight criteria, and a part of our charge is ensuring

794
01:12:51,670 --> 01:12:56,310
that the use can operate in compatibility with those eight criteria.

795
01:12:57,510 --> 01:13:03,450
We have determined that this one falls short of meeting all of those eight criteria and

796
01:13:03,450 --> 01:13:08,790
specifically subsection six, which requires the finding that the establishment of the approach

797
01:13:08,790 --> 01:13:13,450
use will not impede the orderly development and improvement of surrounding properties

798
01:13:13,450 --> 01:13:15,450
for use is permitted within the zoning district.

799
01:13:16,030 --> 01:13:22,830
We do have property zones immediately to the east that's owned RU and RC.

800
01:13:23,470 --> 01:13:27,650
Those are some higher density residential districts and it's in close proximity to

801
01:13:28,450 --> 01:13:29,690
the downtown area as well.

802
01:13:30,150 --> 01:13:35,130
Additionally subsection eight requires a finding that the public interest and welfare supporting

803
01:13:35,130 --> 01:13:38,510
the proposed conditional use permit will be sufficient enough to outweigh the individual

804
01:13:38,510 --> 01:13:42,970
will interest which are adversely affected by the establishment of the proposed use.

805
01:13:43,250 --> 01:13:49,150
We found that utilizing this 266 acres within the girth area for first solar facility

806
01:13:49,150 --> 01:13:50,530
does not bond with that either.

807
01:13:52,990 --> 01:13:58,950
So in closing, the site is specifically designated for residential and commercial uses outlined

808
01:13:58,950 --> 01:14:02,930
in that Carolina corridor to land use strategy which is an element of our comprehensive plan.

809
01:14:02,930 --> 01:14:10,570
further, the comprehensive plan designates residential neighborhoods and supporting commercial

810
01:14:10,570 --> 01:14:15,490
uses as appropriate for the interring suburban, not necessarily large scale infrastructure

811
01:14:15,490 --> 01:14:22,450
projects like this. It does not fully address all of the criteria outlined for consideration

812
01:14:22,450 --> 01:14:29,630
within the UDO as it relates to conditional use permits. And as those criteria are not met

813
01:14:29,630 --> 01:14:31,570
and it doesn't align with the comprehensive plan.

814
01:14:31,850 --> 01:14:34,510
Staff is recommended denial of this use permit.

815
01:14:36,350 --> 01:14:40,730
The Planning Commission did consider this at their meeting last month on December 19th

816
01:14:40,730 --> 01:14:47,310
and by a vote of 4-3 have recommended this application for denial to you all this evening.

817
01:14:48,010 --> 01:14:56,250
It is important to note that staff, while we are recommended denial and we thoroughly outline

818
01:14:56,250 --> 01:14:59,970
that in the event that you all should move to a particular

819
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,860
We approve this. We have provided some conditions to be associated with that that we feel would align, would mitigate some potential negative impacts. Once again, should you all be inclined to recommend approval, but that does not impact our recommendation of denial. With that being said, that concludes my staff report on this item. I will stand by the conclusion of the public hearing to address any concerns. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Y. Before we open to public hearing, Madam Clerk, please explain the timing system.

820
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:34,940
This is a public hearing and each speaker is asked to provide their name and their address.

821
01:15:35,380 --> 01:15:39,580
We will have a ten minute period for the proponents, a fifteen minute period for those

822
01:15:39,580 --> 01:15:42,920
in opposition, and then an additional five minutes for a rebuttal.

823
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:48,960
This is a public hearing with the first speaker, please come forward and provide their name

824
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:49,540
and address.

825
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:51,940
And that is to speak in favor of this ordinance.

826
01:15:59,020 --> 01:15:59,580
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

827
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:01,660
Mr. Vice, members of Council for the record.

828
01:16:01,780 --> 01:16:02,820
My name is Rob Beeman.

829
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:07,600
I'm a local annual attorney with the Troutman Pepperel Law firm, 222 Central Park Avenue.

830
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:09,480
New Suite 2000 in Virginia Beach, Virginia.

831
01:16:10,140 --> 01:16:15,840
First, I did want to thank Kevin Wynne and the rest of the planning staff for all their hard work on this application.

832
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:22,880
They've been very available to us and we've appreciated their feedback and their constructive comments on this application throughout this process.

833
01:16:23,620 --> 01:16:30,900
In light of Council's election, not to approve the deferral request that we made at the beginning of the hearing,

834
01:16:31,100 --> 01:16:36,060
the applicant would like to respectfully request a withdrawal of this application at this time.

835
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:38,800
Thank you, sir.

836
01:16:39,780 --> 01:16:44,740
Oh, Mr. City Attorney, do we have to withdraw ends the matter?

837
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:45,700
Second.

838
01:16:46,020 --> 01:16:47,600
A withdrawal ends the matter.

839
01:16:47,900 --> 01:16:48,360
Okay.

840
01:16:48,740 --> 01:16:49,280
All right.

841
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:50,200
Thank you very much, sir.

842
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:54,260
So the matter has been withdrawn, so there's no need to proceed with public hearing.

843
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:55,180
Thank you, sir.

844
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:55,540
Thank you, sir.

845
01:16:58,070 --> 01:16:58,390
Okay.

846
01:16:58,550 --> 01:17:04,090
Our next public hearing is in order to grant a conditional use permit to establish an outdoor

847
01:17:04,090 --> 01:17:10,910
or operations and storage manufacturing, processing use for the establishment of a ready-mixed concrete

848
01:17:10,910 --> 01:17:11,470
plant.

849
01:17:11,790 --> 01:17:20,450
On property located at 1273, portion of Boulevard, zoning map 36, parcel 15b, account number

850
01:17:23,010 --> 01:17:27,590
05342600, this is CUP 202322.

851
01:17:28,010 --> 01:17:29,550
Mr. Manager, please provide an overview.

852
01:17:29,550 --> 01:17:36,330
of you. Oh, yes. Mayor, vice-members council. Again, Mr. Wine will provide a staff report.

853
01:17:37,210 --> 01:17:44,170
I think you can, Mr. Manager, Mayor, vice-members council. I think anyone traveling the route 58

854
01:17:44,730 --> 01:17:51,110
into the city from the Chesapeake side is familiar with this property. So this is a conditional

855
01:17:51,110 --> 01:17:58,650
use permit to request the establishment of a ready-mix concrete plant. This is for property

856
01:17:58,650 --> 01:18:03,430
located at 1273 Portsmouth Boulevard. The property is located within the central

857
01:18:03,430 --> 01:18:06,950
growth area designated entering suburban use district and is also located

858
01:18:06,950 --> 01:18:13,310
within the Cypress Foding Bureau. Here we have the property. It is located in the

859
01:18:13,310 --> 01:18:17,150
M2 Heavy Industrial Zoning District. The surrounding properties to the

860
01:18:17,150 --> 01:18:21,910
southeast and west are also Zoned M2. To the north of the property you have a

861
01:18:21,910 --> 01:18:28,290
CSX-owned railroad line and the city of Portsmouth has property there as well.

862
01:18:28,290 --> 01:18:35,190
immediately adjacent to Port Smith Boulevard. Across Port Smith Boulevard you have

863
01:18:35,190 --> 01:18:39,950
the B2 district and some RLM and RU Zoning Districts with residential.

864
01:18:43,220 --> 01:18:43,640
So the

865
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:47,640
applicants request here is to operate a concrete ready-mix plant on the

866
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:52,860
site. It's on the northwestern portion of the site. You can see it outlined here

867
01:18:52,860 --> 01:18:59,400
highlighted called out with that red box. The property is currently utilized as an

868
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:04,720
aggregate sales yard for Vulcan materials and asphalt plant for Branscom.

869
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:11,200
So there are similar uses there currently, but in order to establish a ready-mix concrete

870
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:15,500
plant in the city of Suffolk in the M2 district, you do require conditional use permit.

871
01:19:15,820 --> 01:19:16,720
Those uses did not.

872
01:19:17,580 --> 01:19:23,200
The traffic memo that was associated with this request does anticipate the generation of 34

873
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:23,880
truck trips.

874
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:31,580
The existing transportation network appears adequate to accommodate this modest increase

875
01:19:31,580 --> 01:19:33,440
of traffic along the school door.

876
01:19:34,260 --> 01:19:39,520
The health department, as provided some comments as it related to the existing water supply,

877
01:19:39,860 --> 01:19:41,060
there's a well on site.

878
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:47,600
These users tend to utilize a lot of water, they'll be utilizing that from a well and not

879
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:48,420
the public system.

880
01:19:49,540 --> 01:19:56,160
So, they note that the well-on-site appears to be used for processing purposes and is not

881
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:59,680
part will. We have conditions.

882
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:06,840
A recommended condition to screen some of the existing frontage. It's not direct frontage along

883
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:10,840
Port Smith Boulevard, but it is highly visible there. So we thought it would be appropriate

884
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:18,440
to utilize this opportunity to condition some evergreen vegetation along their property

885
01:20:18,440 --> 01:20:24,840
line closest to Port Smith Boulevard. The site does have one access point from Port Smith

886
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:30,700
This crosses property owned by the City of Portsmouth and the Railroad, CSX.

887
01:20:31,480 --> 01:20:35,680
The applicant has submitted an agreement between the Railroad and Vulcan materials that

888
01:20:36,460 --> 01:20:41,060
establishes legal ingress, egress to their property, so they are permitted to cross that.

889
01:20:41,620 --> 01:20:47,420
And they are working with the City of Portsmouth to get legal access as well.

890
01:20:48,140 --> 01:20:50,480
And that would be a condition of our approval.

891
01:20:50,480 --> 01:21:04,200
but we have reached out to the city of Portsmouth and they have indicated to us in writing that that will not be an issue and they will provide a letter authorizing them to utilize it once they have drafted the legal document.

892
01:21:07,100 --> 01:21:17,260
So in working with the departments here in the city, the noted that the existing entrance, we wanted to have that improved commercial standards.

893
01:21:17,900 --> 01:21:21,820
certainly durable make it to make it more durable considering the heavy equipment

894
01:21:21,820 --> 01:21:25,900
that's traveling through it. So it includes a concrete entrance within the

895
01:21:25,900 --> 01:21:29,440
public right-of-way on Port Smith Boulevard and an asphalt pavement on the

896
01:21:29,440 --> 01:21:33,480
city of Port Smith own property. Once again the city of Port Smith Public

897
01:21:33,480 --> 01:21:37,460
Utilities Department did not have any objections regarding a asphalt over

898
01:21:37,460 --> 01:21:43,880
their property at this time. So staffs evaluated this as we do with all

899
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:48,180
conditional use permits against the criteria established within the UDO for the

900
01:21:48,180 --> 01:21:53,900
issuance of the CUP. Considering it is a M2 district utilized with like

901
01:21:53,900 --> 01:21:58,860
uses already we believe this expansion on the site is compatible with the

902
01:21:58,860 --> 01:22:02,240
existing neighborhood and do not object to it and recommend it's approval.

903
01:22:03,060 --> 01:22:07,020
Additionally the planning commission at their meeting on December 19th by

904
01:22:07,020 --> 01:22:11,020
vote of six to one are recommending this application to you all this evening for

905
01:22:11,020 --> 01:22:16,820
approval. That concludes my presentation on this item. I will stand by I think

906
01:22:16,820 --> 01:22:20,000
inclusion of the public hearing. Thank you Mr. Wein. Before we open the public

907
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:23,860
hearing Madam Clerk please explain the timing system. This is a public hearing and

908
01:22:23,860 --> 01:22:28,240
each speaker is asked to provide their name and their address. We will have a 10

909
01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:33,500
minute period for the proponents a 15 minute period for those in opposition and

910
01:22:33,500 --> 01:22:39,120
then an additional five minutes for a rebuttal. This is a public hearing with the

911
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:41,980
First speaker please come forward and provide your name and address.

912
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:44,600
It is to speak in favor of this ordinance.

913
01:22:48,060 --> 01:22:50,960
Evening Mayor Duman, Vice Mayor Ward, members of council.

914
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:53,960
My name is Randy Royal with Kimmy Horn Associates.

915
01:22:54,020 --> 01:22:55,520
I'm representing this application.

916
01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:58,780
First of all, Mr. Wanda such a good job.

917
01:22:58,900 --> 01:23:01,660
He's taken away most of my speech here, so I'll be pretty short.

918
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:04,040
We've worked quite a bit with staff.

919
01:23:04,220 --> 01:23:06,560
We are fine with the five conditions he has.

920
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:11,120
We've worked with Portsmouth who owns that driveway going into the site,

921
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:16,340
which they've been utilizing for probably 40 years, but we can't find the legal document.

922
01:23:16,660 --> 01:23:24,420
I've personally been in touch with the city attorney over there, we've sent him an exhibit, he's writing up a deed to grant the access there.

923
01:23:24,940 --> 01:23:31,380
We're going to be putting trees in, we've actually talked to their engineers also, that's why we've got concrete in the right away.

924
01:23:32,060 --> 01:23:38,240
They won't, and Mr. Moore, you'll remember this from your utilities days, they're going to relocate their lines in there.

925
01:23:38,240 --> 01:23:46,580
So they won't asphalt on their part of the property, so if they have to maintain it and of course installing that will be easier than putting concrete in there.

926
01:23:46,980 --> 01:23:49,660
So that's why we have heavy duty asphalt on the site.

927
01:23:51,100 --> 01:23:54,860
Just putting a batch plant back in again that they had years ago.

928
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:58,680
We have to get used permit as Mr. Wein said because it hasn't operated for two years.

929
01:23:59,220 --> 01:24:03,320
Construction use, no residential neighbors, none of those problems.

930
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:07,280
work with staff, find with the five items, as I said.

931
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:10,700
Planning commission recommended approval, staff recommended approval.

932
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:13,160
I hope you'll see fit to grant us an approval.

933
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:16,380
Thank you for your time, and I'll stand by for questions.

934
01:24:17,180 --> 01:24:17,520
Thank you, sir.

935
01:24:18,340 --> 01:24:21,800
We have our next speaker to speak in favor of this ordinance.

936
01:24:27,860 --> 01:24:28,200
Good evening.

937
01:24:28,620 --> 01:24:29,900
My name is Sarah Beasley.

938
01:24:30,260 --> 01:24:33,300
I am the general manager of Capital Concrete,

939
01:24:33,300 --> 01:24:35,380
which is the ready-mix facility we're talking about.

940
01:24:36,580 --> 01:24:40,360
My family started this business back in 1959.

941
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:43,940
My grandfather started it, my mother ran it for 40 years.

942
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:50,700
In 2022, we became a part of Vulcan materials, but still operate under the capital concrete banner.

943
01:24:51,500 --> 01:24:53,380
I run all the facilities we have.

944
01:24:53,540 --> 01:24:58,360
We have five other locations, and we are looking forward to your approval and

945
01:24:58,360 --> 01:24:59,920
being able to move into the city of

946
01:25:01,790 --> 01:25:08,310
We're relocating one of our facilities from Chesapeake and moving it to this site, hopefully.

947
01:25:09,330 --> 01:25:15,790
As Mr. Royal said, this was a ready-mixed facility prior. It was taken down about 10 years ago,

948
01:25:16,030 --> 01:25:23,710
because the operator left the area. So we would like to put the plant back in the exact same area.

949
01:25:23,710 --> 01:25:29,170
It does not disturb any more, or it does not create any more pervious of a footprint.

950
01:25:29,850 --> 01:25:34,870
And we really look forward to joining the Suffolk community and being a proactive

951
01:25:34,870 --> 01:25:36,610
member of the group.

952
01:25:37,010 --> 01:25:37,410
So thank you.

953
01:25:38,090 --> 01:25:38,770
Thank you, ma'am.

954
01:25:40,210 --> 01:25:42,910
I have a next speaker to speak in favor of this ordinance.

955
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:47,800
If anyone asks you'd like to speak in favor,

956
01:25:50,140 --> 01:25:52,740
very none do we have anyone who would like to

957
01:25:52,740 --> 01:25:54,620
speak in opposition to this ordinance?

958
01:25:54,620 --> 01:25:55,180
Is

959
01:25:57,770 --> 01:26:03,540
there any one president who would like to speak in opposition hearing no additional

960
01:26:03,540 --> 01:26:08,720
speakers as public hearing is now closed and ordinances been presented for council's

961
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:09,340
consideration?

962
01:26:09,620 --> 01:26:11,480
What is your pleasure, Councilman Bennett?

963
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:14,260
Mr. Wyne, would you come up a minute, please, sir?

964
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:18,940
Of you, Eric, not Eric, Robert.

965
01:26:19,740 --> 01:26:24,560
On the traffic, you said, how many more trucks traffic that would increase in?

966
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:28,860
They anticipate 34 additional trucks serving the state.

967
01:26:29,480 --> 01:26:34,820
34 and the reason I'm asking that I have no problem with I remember the other

968
01:26:34,820 --> 01:26:41,980
cement plant was there but it's so close now up to Nassau Parkway and with all the

969
01:26:41,980 --> 01:26:49,560
other raw farms there and all that traffic starts backing up so much in there you just give me a little concern

970
01:26:50,700 --> 01:26:55,280
about how they're getting in and out special if they're coming across to make a

971
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:59,960
left come and like to come in and stuff. So how are we going to be able to sort

972
01:27:01,060 --> 01:27:07,200
of manage that? Robert you want to try to help me out with that? I look to the

973
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:08,480
engineer. I'm

974
01:27:12,030 --> 01:27:15,830
not sure I totally understood the questions, sir. All right, where

975
01:27:15,830 --> 01:27:20,830
the trucks coming out and third and four more and are so close to the

976
01:27:20,830 --> 01:27:27,270
intersection of Madison Parkway at the stoplight and then coming out to make a

977
01:27:27,270 --> 01:27:33,150
left turn traffic is already backing up or beyond the interest. How are we

978
01:27:33,150 --> 01:27:36,890
going to be able to deal with the trucks coming in? Let's go make a left turn.

979
01:27:38,190 --> 01:27:42,090
That may be an operationally issue for the applicant to explain, but generally

980
01:27:42,090 --> 01:27:47,130
concrete trucks is type of product that goes that early in the day. Most folks don't

981
01:27:47,130 --> 01:27:50,690
want to load concrete, showing up at a job five o'clock in the afternoon, which is

982
01:27:50,690 --> 01:27:51,910
when we have most of our problems.

983
01:27:52,710 --> 01:27:55,690
And again, traffic is going to generally turn to the left

984
01:27:55,690 --> 01:27:57,990
as you noted, but they're going to go down to suburban drive

985
01:27:57,990 --> 01:27:59,710
because, again, a lot of times, they're

986
01:27:59,710 --> 01:28:01,610
trying to get back to the south of the bypass.

987
01:28:01,810 --> 01:28:03,110
And that is the most efficient way

988
01:28:03,110 --> 01:28:05,210
to do that at the current time.

989
01:28:05,810 --> 01:28:09,470
In the near future, as the new sips of flyover comes over,

990
01:28:09,850 --> 01:28:11,250
there will actually be an opportunity

991
01:28:11,250 --> 01:28:13,750
for those trucks to turn right and go back

992
01:28:13,750 --> 01:28:16,150
and use that new flyover and go westbound again

993
01:28:16,150 --> 01:28:16,790
on the bypass.

994
01:28:17,090 --> 01:28:20,370
So in the short term, it may be a little bit problematic

995
01:28:20,370 --> 01:28:25,810
I don't anticipate we didn't see a lot of indication of that in our analysis, but again

996
01:28:25,810 --> 01:28:28,390
I think in a little bit longer term it will get much better.

997
01:28:29,190 --> 01:28:29,410
Okay.

998
01:28:29,630 --> 01:28:30,010
Thank you sir.

999
01:28:30,210 --> 01:28:30,490
Thank you sir.

1000
01:28:31,290 --> 01:28:31,770
Any

1001
01:28:34,620 --> 01:28:35,520
other questions?

1002
01:28:35,740 --> 01:28:36,600
Comments or a motion?

1003
01:28:37,240 --> 01:28:38,100
Councilman Fawcett.

1004
01:28:42,460 --> 01:28:44,000
I'd go ahead and make a motion to approve.

1005
01:28:44,300 --> 01:28:52,100
I think it's that location I'm familiar with and dealt with those folks quite a bit on some

1006
01:28:52,100 --> 01:28:53,820
of the materials they hauled out of there.

1007
01:28:55,940 --> 01:28:59,920
They do have trucks coming in and out of there at different times hauling, but I don't

1008
01:28:59,920 --> 01:29:02,380
know that this is going to be a big impact right now.

1009
01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:08,960
So therefore I think it's a good project for the Suffolk and appreciate you wanting to

1010
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:11,140
move from just becoming the Suffolk anyway.

1011
01:29:11,340 --> 01:29:11,580
Thank you.

1012
01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:15,660
We've got a motion for approval from Councilman Fawcett, Councilman Williams.

1013
01:29:16,180 --> 01:29:17,100
I'd like to second that man.

1014
01:29:17,460 --> 01:29:20,600
Second from Councilman Williams, Councilman Rector.

1015
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:22,800
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1016
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:29,220
Just in the interest of complete and full disclosure, I would like to point out that I'm

1017
01:29:29,220 --> 01:29:33,420
proud to call Ms. Beasley my second cousin, her mother is my first cousin.

1018
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:39,740
The grandfather that she was referring to, John Toey the second, is my mother's brother.

1019
01:29:41,060 --> 01:29:42,900
So we have a long family history.

1020
01:29:44,660 --> 01:29:49,820
Unfortunately, that part of the family did not directly touch my part of the family.

1021
01:29:49,820 --> 01:29:54,680
so I did not get to participate in the sale of capital concrete and I don't get to

1022
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:59,680
participate in anything that is ongoing with Vulcan materials and further

1023
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:07,120
And probably one of the few members of the direct family Ms. Basley that actually did not serve

1024
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:14,040
a time working for your mother at Capitol Concrete. But anyway, with that, I'm very much in

1025
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:18,160
support of this and I appreciate them moving their operation to Suffolk and I have discussed

1026
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:22,520
this matter with the city attorney and he is determined that I do not have a conflict

1027
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:37,520
and allowed a vote. All right, thank you for that history lesson Mr. Rector. We have a motion for approval from Councilman Fawcett and a second from Councilman Williams. Do we have any further discussion of the motion?

1028
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:45,580
Hearing none, Councilmembers prepared a vote. Please cast your vote. Madam Clerk, please record a vote.

1029
01:30:47,100 --> 01:30:49,520
Motion is approved by a vote of 7-0.

1030
01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:50,360
Okay.

1031
01:30:50,540 --> 01:30:54,340
We'll move to our final public hearing for this evening, which is an ordinance to amend

1032
01:30:54,340 --> 01:30:59,540
Chapter 31 of the Unified Development Ornids to the Code of the City of Suffolk, Article

1033
01:30:59,540 --> 01:31:07,900
5, Subdivision Section 31-505, Authorities, Section 31-506, Classification of Applications and

1034
01:31:07,900 --> 01:31:15,560
General Procedural Requirements, Section 31-514, Family Transfers and Appendix A, Definition

1035
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:21,980
This is OTA-2023-009, Mr. Manager, please provide an overview.

1036
01:31:24,440 --> 01:31:28,920
Yes, Mayor, Vice-Mayor, members of Council, again, Mr. Wein will give this staff report.

1037
01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:34,920
Thank you, Mr. Manager, Mayor, Vice-Mayor. Members of Council, this is an ordinance-sex amendment,

1038
01:31:36,240 --> 01:31:44,420
and looking at your exhibit B in our staff report for your consideration, it may seem really complex

1039
01:31:44,420 --> 01:31:51,080
this ordinance text amendment, but as it is sometimes when you're modifying the unified

1040
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:55,820
development ordinance, you kind of have to untangle several parts of it to accomplish

1041
01:31:55,820 --> 01:32:02,920
your overarching goals. So at the heart of this issue, it is to allow trusts and life

1042
01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:09,520
estates to participate in the family transfer process. That is what this ordinance text

1043
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:15,580
amendment is about, I'll kind of walk you through what that means for us, what that means

1044
01:32:15,580 --> 01:32:21,240
for you all, and what that means for citizens who want to utilize our family transfer subdivision

1045
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:30,000
process. But this comes back to a directive that we received in September, a couple of

1046
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:36,100
months ago, to ask the Planning Commission to research and initiate amendments that would

1047
01:32:36,100 --> 01:32:42,480
allow for us to utilize the family transfer subdivision process as provided for in state

1048
01:32:42,480 --> 01:32:42,820
code.

1049
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:46,460
State code does allow for this as such.

1050
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:53,740
We may or may not as locality participate because it's a permissive regulation but ultimately

1051
01:32:53,740 --> 01:32:55,500
it will align with state code.

1052
01:32:56,480 --> 01:33:02,900
So family transfer subdivisions are exempt from certain subdivision requirements, provided

1053
01:33:02,900 --> 01:33:06,460
I decided that a set of requirements regarding ownership,

1054
01:33:06,740 --> 01:33:08,400
transfer of the parcels are met.

1055
01:33:08,500 --> 01:33:10,200
I'm going to outline just a little bit,

1056
01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:12,860
so we all truly understand what we're talking about.

1057
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:17,880
But lots created through the family transfer process

1058
01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:21,720
or are there subject to a couple stipulations?

1059
01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:25,080
One, they have to be transferred to an immediate family member.

1060
01:33:25,420 --> 01:33:27,480
We define that. I'll go over that in a moment.

1061
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:31,340
But they're also conveyance periods.

1062
01:33:31,340 --> 01:33:34,380
They have to be held for a certain period after they are received.

1063
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:41,800
This gets back to the goal of family transfers to stay in the family and keep families close ultimately.

1064
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:49,540
So our current regulations stipulate that no family transfer shall be made by a limited liability corporation

1065
01:33:49,540 --> 01:33:52,700
or other legal entity which fails to meet the definition of family.

1066
01:33:54,920 --> 01:34:00,280
LLCs will still not be able to participate, but other legal entities, in this case trust,

1067
01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:04,000
life of states, this would authorize them to participate.

1068
01:34:05,560 --> 01:34:12,320
So here's the state enabling legislation, I won't read that, but it does state that

1069
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:21,600
locality may at its discretion, including its subdivision ordinance provisions that allow

1070
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:28,720
for a member of an immediate family, once again, as it's defined by state code of beneficiaries

1071
01:34:28,720 --> 01:34:35,740
of a trust are they held in a trust to participate in a family transfer process, family subdivision

1072
01:34:35,740 --> 01:34:43,240
process. A key caveat here is it differs from our current regulations for a traditional

1073
01:34:43,240 --> 01:34:49,900
family subdivision to a person, to a immediate family to immediate family, which is associated

1074
01:34:49,900 --> 01:34:58,000
with a 10-year-old in period for trust that would be 15 years. And that is what state code

1075
01:34:58,000 --> 01:34:59,960
So it allows for, that is what our code...

1076
01:35:03,140 --> 01:35:09,000
So, once again, here's the intent. The purpose and intent of the Family So Division is to keep

1077
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:16,220
family estates within the family, and within the immediate family, and really not for the purpose of short-term

1078
01:35:16,220 --> 01:35:24,120
investment or sale. It's to eliminate, you know, proliferation of minor subdivision cuts. In fact, we revisited some

1079
01:35:24,120 --> 01:35:27,940
of our provisions, and I'm going to go over these provisions just so we all have a good

1080
01:35:27,940 --> 01:35:33,460
idea of the stipulations and regulations associated with the family transfer and what makes

1081
01:35:33,460 --> 01:35:38,320
it different from a minor subdivision. But we revisited those probably about 10, 15

1082
01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:44,980
years ago really to deter circumventions of our minor subdivision regulations. It really

1083
01:35:44,980 --> 01:35:52,180
comes down to how many cuts a farm may have. And folks were participating in the circumventing

1084
01:35:52,180 --> 01:35:55,840
the minor subdivision process by doing family transfers.

1085
01:35:56,760 --> 01:36:00,740
So family subdivisions are permitted only in these zoning districts.

1086
01:36:01,180 --> 01:36:06,120
There are rural zoning districts, so your agricultural zoning district, your RR, that's your

1087
01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:10,040
rural residential and your RE zoning district.

1088
01:36:11,360 --> 01:36:18,640
No family subdivision is allowed for any parcel created through the provisions of a major subdivision.

1089
01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:25,240
So in certain areas of the city, you may be zoned RE, but you are in a established major

1090
01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:25,980
subdivision.

1091
01:36:27,440 --> 01:36:31,640
The existence of your lot within a major subdivision prohibits you for participating.

1092
01:36:35,930 --> 01:36:42,490
So just to kind of walk you through, going back probably a year and a half or so, kind

1093
01:36:42,490 --> 01:36:45,370
of touched on the differences between minor subdivisions and family transfers.

1094
01:36:47,530 --> 01:36:50,250
but minor subdivisions, no more than three cuts,

1095
01:36:50,250 --> 01:36:51,990
plus a residue for each parent track,

1096
01:36:52,290 --> 01:36:55,830
as it existed on March 1st, 1970.

1097
01:36:56,550 --> 01:36:59,450
That would get you three lots, plus a residue, four lots in total.

1098
01:36:59,670 --> 01:37:01,130
That's our minor subdivision process.

1099
01:37:01,930 --> 01:37:04,650
Each lot must have road frontings in a public street,

1100
01:37:05,750 --> 01:37:09,350
and minimum road frontage is determined by the underlying zoning district,

1101
01:37:09,650 --> 01:37:13,310
but for apples to applesake here.

1102
01:37:13,310 --> 01:37:18,610
In the A, the RRE zone districts, that is 150 feet of road frontage.

1103
01:37:18,810 --> 01:37:23,350
So you need to have that road frontage in order to participate in the minor subdivision

1104
01:37:23,350 --> 01:37:23,790
process.

1105
01:37:23,810 --> 01:37:27,150
Without that, you do not meet our minimum zoning requirements.

1106
01:37:28,590 --> 01:37:31,110
And then there are the underlying lot requirements.

1107
01:37:31,110 --> 01:37:37,450
They still apply for family transfer subdivisions, but in the A and the RR, that's one acre,

1108
01:37:37,850 --> 01:37:41,750
minimum lot size, in the RE that is three acres.

1109
01:37:42,290 --> 01:37:47,870
These are administrative approval process, ultimately signed by the director of planning

1110
01:37:47,870 --> 01:37:50,890
and community development, who acts as the subdivision agent.

1111
01:37:51,530 --> 01:37:55,930
So here's a good example, you've all seen this before, but this is a traditional might

1112
01:37:55,930 --> 01:38:00,130
of subdivision, one lot plus, I'm sorry, three lots plus a residue.

1113
01:38:00,670 --> 01:38:06,650
These just so happen to be about three acres or so in size, but this is ultimately what

1114
01:38:06,650 --> 01:38:07,530
that looks like on a plat.

1115
01:38:08,350 --> 01:38:13,450
You can see all of these lots have roadfronts on West Liberty Spring Road.

1116
01:38:13,830 --> 01:38:19,450
The key difference for a family subdivision is no street frontage is required.

1117
01:38:20,210 --> 01:38:21,650
You can be served with an easement.

1118
01:38:23,070 --> 01:38:25,690
We need a record of that easement.

1119
01:38:26,030 --> 01:38:32,250
It needs to be deeded and associated with the plat should that be utilized.

1120
01:38:32,710 --> 01:38:36,830
But that easement lots do have to have at least 50 feet on that easement.

1121
01:38:37,630 --> 01:38:46,770
And that easement needs to be reasonable on size and not less than 15 feet in width to accommodate a vehicular traffic.

1122
01:38:47,590 --> 01:38:52,030
The Planning Commission is the approval authority for family transfer subdivision plots.

1123
01:38:54,300 --> 01:38:58,020
So the proposed amendments before you this evening are a touch of a variety of sections.

1124
01:38:58,540 --> 01:39:00,480
I'm going to kind of breeze through them.

1125
01:39:01,400 --> 01:39:06,820
But we amend the two definitions as it relates to this process in appendix A.

1126
01:39:06,820 --> 01:39:08,540
That's where definitions live in the UDO.

1127
01:39:09,200 --> 01:39:16,180
We modify Section 31505 as it relates to the authority for the subdivision process.

1128
01:39:17,300 --> 01:39:22,140
Section 31556, which talks about the classification of different subdivision applications.

1129
01:39:22,540 --> 01:39:28,440
And ultimately, the Biggie Section 31514 that outlines the family transfer process.

1130
01:39:28,440 --> 01:39:37,940
So, the amendments do a few things, but we expand our definition of family subdivision

1131
01:39:38,360 --> 01:39:41,160
really to enable a trust or a life of state to participate.

1132
01:39:43,300 --> 01:39:46,560
The definition of immediate family has been updated.

1133
01:39:46,980 --> 01:39:48,280
The state defines that.

1134
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:56,980
We are utilizing their definition to utilize within the UDO and this is what immediate family

1135
01:39:56,980 --> 01:39:59,880
in Virginia means it's any person who is a natural or

1136
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:28,720
So you legally defined offspring, stepchild, spouse, grandchild, grandparent, or parent of the owner. Specifically, it does not include aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, cousins, or any other necks of kin to the owner. So immediate family is specific. And that is what the family transfer process in Virginia is limited to. We have updated the term a family transfer throughout the UDO.

1137
01:40:29,560 --> 01:40:40,200
which is kind of misleading. It's a family subdivision. It's a subdivision of land that's participating in the family subdivision process. So, you'll see that in the six of it be.

1138
01:40:41,280 --> 01:40:47,600
Additionally, Section 315-05, we've updated that to identify the state enabling legislation.

1139
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:48,780
So

1140
01:40:50,860 --> 01:41:01,840
there are three parts to this, and I know it's a lot of information, but because there

1141
01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:08,340
are certain regulations that will apply to all family subdivisions in the city, we've

1142
01:41:08,340 --> 01:41:09,820
kind of broken it into three sections.

1143
01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:17,080
So we have the regulations that will apply to all family subdivisions, both those where

1144
01:41:17,080 --> 01:41:21,740
trust is involved in those where it's just an immediate family member to an immediate family member,

1145
01:41:21,860 --> 01:41:27,740
there's no trust. And then we've broken it into the differences. So we have the your trust,

1146
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:32,820
you're doing it this way. If you are a family member to a family member, you're doing it that way.

1147
01:41:33,040 --> 01:41:37,800
That's kind of how we had to break it up. And that's because we wanted to change as little as possible

1148
01:41:37,800 --> 01:41:43,920
as it relates to our current process for the person to person transfer while accommodating the trust

1149
01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:48,040
to immediate family member process and I'm going to walk you through those differences here.

1150
01:41:49,020 --> 01:41:55,620
So the following are all regulations that apply to every family subdivision in the city

1151
01:41:55,620 --> 01:42:02,360
of Suffolk but the immediate family members must be 18 years of age or older.

1152
01:42:03,020 --> 01:42:09,120
That is important because in theory, if they weren't, they could deed it and the conveyance

1153
01:42:09,120 --> 01:42:12,900
period, holding period would expire by the time they even get 18 and then they're free

1154
01:42:12,900 --> 01:42:18,900
to sell the property. So that would be kind of a clear circumvention. Plats must be

1155
01:42:18,900 --> 01:42:24,200
accompanied by sworn affidavit from the Granter-Angranti, basically acknowledging and adherence

1156
01:42:24,200 --> 01:42:30,720
to the provisions that I'm outlining here of which they're substantial. There must be the

1157
01:42:30,720 --> 01:42:36,660
submission of an executed affidavit that acknowledges the intent of the Family Subdivision, is not

1158
01:42:36,660 --> 01:42:42,200
for short-term investment or sale outside of the family. Submission of a title report completed

1159
01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:47,700
to buy title examiner, the allowance of ingress egress easements to be used in lieu of front-edge

1160
01:42:47,700 --> 01:42:54,360
required of traditional subdivisions. So at that point we would need that deed associated

1161
01:42:54,360 --> 01:43:02,640
and acknowledgement of that easement on the plat presented for the city's approval. Compliance

1162
01:43:02,640 --> 01:43:07,920
with all applicable laws including the Department of Health requirements, signature of the plat

1163
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:12,880
That by all individuals having interest, including easement rights, that's really important.

1164
01:43:13,060 --> 01:43:17,300
So if there's an easement of the property that they may have interest in but they don't

1165
01:43:17,300 --> 01:43:20,740
necessarily and those folks would still have to assign that plat.

1166
01:43:22,060 --> 01:43:28,080
We also require approval at the time of plat of any well-inceptic systems by the Virginia

1167
01:43:28,080 --> 01:43:33,880
Department of Health and authorization of, once again, family subdivisions are only permitted

1168
01:43:33,880 --> 01:43:36,360
within the A, the RR and the RE zoning districts.

1169
01:43:37,940 --> 01:43:47,720
So, these would be the specific criteria for trust in life estate, so in order to participate

1170
01:43:47,720 --> 01:43:55,600
in the family transfer process with a trust, the trust beneficiaries must be immediate

1171
01:43:55,600 --> 01:43:57,020
family members to each other.

1172
01:43:58,880 --> 01:44:01,940
If that is not the case, you are then not eligible.

1173
01:44:03,340 --> 01:44:09,540
All trust beneficiaries must agree in writing to the proposed family subdivisions.

1174
01:44:09,900 --> 01:44:15,960
So all members of that trust, their immediate family members, and they agree in writing

1175
01:44:15,960 --> 01:44:17,980
that the property should be subdivided.

1176
01:44:19,460 --> 01:44:26,980
So all grantees of subdivided land, those receiving the property, they have to be an immediate

1177
01:44:26,980 --> 01:44:29,320
family member to at least one member of that trust.

1178
01:44:30,420 --> 01:44:37,840
So they still have to meet that immediate family definition, but for when we're considering

1179
01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:42,080
trust, they just have to be an immediate family member of one.

1180
01:44:43,400 --> 01:44:48,260
The grantees need not be beneficiaries of the trust themselves.

1181
01:44:49,660 --> 01:44:57,400
So those are the provisions that are specific to trust in life estate, family subdivisions.

1182
01:44:57,840 --> 01:44:59,980
So, what are the differences between the two?

1183
01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:08,740
You put this table together, but on the left side of the column, there you have family subdivisions,

1184
01:45:08,760 --> 01:45:12,780
these are your traditional family subdivisions, and then you have family subdivisions including

1185
01:45:12,780 --> 01:45:18,320
a trust or a life estate on the right-hand side. But the ownership period before you can participate

1186
01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:23,480
in the subdivision process for a traditional family subdivision is three years. You have to

1187
01:45:23,480 --> 01:45:27,060
have held that property in fee-simple ownership for three years.

1188
01:45:27,720 --> 01:45:35,780
The difference for trusts, there's no ownership period required before you can participate.

1189
01:45:36,040 --> 01:45:41,600
So trusts, they could have, they came into the property ownership, you know, yesterday

1190
01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:43,340
and they can submit a plat.

1191
01:45:45,020 --> 01:45:51,660
The holding period after conveyance for a traditional family subdivision is 10 years.

1192
01:45:51,660 --> 01:46:01,920
for trust. It is 15 years. Once again, that is state requirement if we are to enable trust

1193
01:46:01,920 --> 01:46:07,340
family subdivisions. The holding period must be 15 years. The reason that the traditional

1194
01:46:07,340 --> 01:46:15,540
family subdivisions does not have to be 15 years and the city can select what conveyance

1195
01:46:15,540 --> 01:46:19,840
period, a holding period that they choose is because we're a fast growing locality.

1196
01:46:20,280 --> 01:46:25,680
City of Suffolk is identified by the Commonwealth of Virginia as a fast growing locality.

1197
01:46:26,180 --> 01:46:31,660
This was not a provision that we wanted to necessarily change as it relates to traditional

1198
01:46:31,660 --> 01:46:32,560
family subdivisions.

1199
01:46:32,700 --> 01:46:34,180
The process has largely been working.

1200
01:46:35,820 --> 01:46:38,880
In both instances they will be able to seek relief.

1201
01:46:39,380 --> 01:46:43,520
That would be a city council action and that would be relief from the holding period.

1202
01:46:43,520 --> 01:46:49,880
You, on occasion, see those circumstances have, you know, changed as it relates to the

1203
01:46:49,880 --> 01:46:54,120
grantee who received it and for whatever reason they are looking to sell it.

1204
01:46:54,500 --> 01:46:56,580
That still requires city council action for both.

1205
01:46:58,460 --> 01:47:06,160
Additionally, there are limits on when the subdivision created to the family transfer process can

1206
01:47:06,160 --> 01:47:07,320
then be subdivided itself.

1207
01:47:07,500 --> 01:47:12,780
It's rare this happens, but in order to do that, there's conveyance periods come back.

1208
01:47:12,780 --> 01:47:19,220
So, you cannot do that on a traditional family subdivision for a 10-year period and for

1209
01:47:19,220 --> 01:47:21,960
a life to trust a state for 15 years.

1210
01:47:24,720 --> 01:47:26,440
So I know that's a lot of information.

1211
01:47:26,760 --> 01:47:31,900
I apologize for talking so long, but this is a lot of information, a lot of variables.

1212
01:47:33,320 --> 01:47:38,100
But ultimately, this is to allow for trust in life estates to participate in the family's

1213
01:47:38,100 --> 01:47:38,680
transfer process.

1214
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:39,760
That's what this is about.

1215
01:47:40,460 --> 01:47:47,700
I hope we were clear on the differences between traditional versus life states, and we're

1216
01:47:47,700 --> 01:47:48,500
supportive of this.

1217
01:47:48,920 --> 01:47:53,480
We believe it can work, and the Planning Commission at their meeting on December 19th by

1218
01:47:53,480 --> 01:47:59,500
vote of 7-0 are sending to you all a resolution recommended approval of this event.

1219
01:47:59,880 --> 01:48:01,800
So, with that being said, I will stand by.

1220
01:48:01,940 --> 01:48:03,400
I think it was another public hearing for any questions.

1221
01:48:04,220 --> 01:48:04,300
Okay.

1222
01:48:04,420 --> 01:48:04,960
Thank you, Mr. Wine.

1223
01:48:06,100 --> 01:48:09,500
Before we open the public hearing matter clerk, please explain the timing system.

1224
01:48:09,760 --> 01:48:13,420
This is a public hearing and each speaker has asked to provide their name and their address

1225
01:48:13,420 --> 01:48:15,740
and we'll receive three minutes to offer their comment.

1226
01:48:16,820 --> 01:48:20,600
This is a public hearing for the first speaker, please come forward and provide their name

1227
01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:21,300
and address.

1228
01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:22,060
Have

1229
01:48:25,830 --> 01:48:27,390
anyone who would like to speak?

1230
01:48:30,390 --> 01:48:34,970
Hearing no speakers, the public hearing is now closed and ordinance has been presented

1231
01:48:34,970 --> 01:48:37,970
for council's consideration, questions, comments, or emotion.

1232
01:48:38,790 --> 01:48:39,670
Councilman Fossett.

1233
01:48:39,670 --> 01:48:45,510
Move to approve the bill an emotion for approval from Councilman Fossick Councilman Johnson Kevin. Thank you

1234
01:48:46,210 --> 01:48:46,690
Second

1235
01:48:47,370 --> 01:48:49,290
The second from Councilman Johnson

1236
01:48:49,290 --> 01:48:52,290
Is there any discussion of the motion I'm

1237
01:48:54,470 --> 01:48:59,330
hearing none before we vote. I just like to add that I think that this

1238
01:48:59,330 --> 01:49:01,750
was needed and appropriate

1239
01:49:02,430 --> 01:49:04,510
In today's environment I know after

1240
01:49:05,030 --> 01:49:11,590
In recent years it has been recommended that a lot of individuals put their personal holdings into a personal trust

1241
01:49:11,850 --> 01:49:21,330
And this isn't a great addition to us being able to accommodate our citizens and have chosen that method.

1242
01:49:21,990 --> 01:49:28,910
So with that being said, we get a motion for approval from Councilman Fossett with a second from Councilman Johnson.

1243
01:49:29,730 --> 01:49:31,070
Councilmembers prepared a vote.

1244
01:49:32,090 --> 01:49:33,390
Please cast your vote.

1245
01:49:34,150 --> 01:49:35,890
Madam Clerk, please record a vote.

1246
01:49:38,800 --> 01:49:41,100
The motion is approved by a vote of 7-0.

1247
01:49:41,100 --> 01:49:44,900
We have no ordinances nor resolutions this evening.

1248
01:49:45,040 --> 01:49:48,500
We do have a staff report relating to speed enforcement cameras.

1249
01:49:48,740 --> 01:49:50,420
Mr. Manager, please provide an overview.

1250
01:49:51,540 --> 01:49:55,780
Yes, Mayor Vice-Memberer, the council's night staff report is an update on the city's

1251
01:49:55,780 --> 01:49:56,960
speed enforcement cameras.

1252
01:49:57,620 --> 01:49:59,500
Focus of the report will be on the effectiveness.

1253
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:08,680
And what type of activities that we see being constructed or done out of any revenue experience?

1254
01:50:09,380 --> 01:50:15,180
Chief. Thank you, Mr. Manager. Mayor Dumont and Vice Mayor Ward, members of council.

1255
01:50:15,600 --> 01:50:19,100
Thank you for the opportunity to come before you tonight to provide this update, this

1256
01:50:19,100 --> 01:50:26,740
joint update with Director Lewis on the automated photo enforcement that we have in our city.

1257
01:50:26,740 --> 01:50:34,800
My portion of the program will be I'll focus on the work zones and I'll focus on our school

1258
01:50:34,800 --> 01:50:35,380
zones.

1259
01:50:36,340 --> 01:50:40,860
First slide, you can see it's Holland Road, including Boulevard work zones.

1260
01:50:41,760 --> 01:50:47,660
You can see our high number, when it was implemented from June, July and August, our numbers

1261
01:50:47,660 --> 01:50:55,900
of citations there were high 12,000, 15,000, 15,000, but then they started to decrease after

1262
01:50:55,900 --> 01:51:01,680
that on both on both prudent boulevard and holland road. We had one uptick on holland road in

1263
01:51:01,680 --> 01:51:08,420
October and we believe that was due to the fact that the road construction ship did and we had

1264
01:51:08,420 --> 01:51:13,060
to move the we moved the cameras because of that ship. So the cameras have moved so we had

1265
01:51:13,060 --> 01:51:19,160
an uptick in October and as you can see in November and December those numbers started to go down.

1266
01:51:19,160 --> 01:51:26,000
On the 5.76 in December is not the entire number because some citations are still being

1267
01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:31,160
reviewed by staff before they can add to that number.

1268
01:51:32,100 --> 01:51:33,880
Prudent boulevard kind of the same thing.

1269
01:51:34,100 --> 01:51:39,400
You see the numbers are high at the beginning and then they gradually continuously go down

1270
01:51:39,400 --> 01:51:40,180
month to month.

1271
01:51:44,390 --> 01:51:48,710
Next slide is the National Suffolk Academy, school zones as both the National Suffolk Academy

1272
01:51:48,710 --> 01:51:53,510
on Prudent Boulevard and our NASA Academy Harborview Boulevard campus.

1273
01:51:54,310 --> 01:51:55,650
Same type of thing here.

1274
01:51:55,790 --> 01:52:00,790
You can see in August, once it started, you had your higher numbers in August and September,

1275
01:52:01,410 --> 01:52:05,570
and then the numbers began to decrease and continue to decrease through December.

1276
01:52:09,270 --> 01:52:12,870
Elephants, four, Florence Bowser and NASA Parkway Elementary Schools.

1277
01:52:13,590 --> 01:52:18,090
Same type of thing we're going to have throughout this presentation is that the numbers when

1278
01:52:18,090 --> 01:52:22,550
school started in September, then the numbers were highest in October, and then they began

1279
01:52:22,550 --> 01:52:26,830
to decrease as words started getting out that they were in use.

1280
01:52:30,480 --> 01:52:36,360
MacBen, Jr. Oakland and Creekside Elementary Schools, same scenario, the numbers start

1281
01:52:36,360 --> 01:52:41,620
high, and then they continuously decrease as the word gets out, and people start to adhere

1282
01:52:41,620 --> 01:52:42,740
to the science.

1283
01:52:46,080 --> 01:52:51,580
John Yees, John F. Kennedy, Kingsport Middle and High Schools, same scenario throughout this

1284
01:52:51,580 --> 01:52:58,540
is that the numbers begin high and then they continuously go down as the word gets out.

1285
01:53:03,050 --> 01:53:11,390
The total issued citations versus court hearing request is 0.8, over 133,000 citations issued

1286
01:53:11,970 --> 01:53:21,430
only 1100 have been contested in court and that's less than 1%, 0.83% have been contested

1287
01:53:21,430 --> 01:53:28,290
in court. The number of citations issued to Suffolk residents, I know the number, and

1288
01:53:28,290 --> 01:53:32,890
I believe the mayor spoke on before, was 14% at some point, but that was before our

1289
01:53:32,890 --> 01:53:42,970
school zones. So that number has went to 19.67% Suffolk residents out of 133,000 citations

1290
01:53:42,970 --> 01:53:49,830
issued. Only 19% of those have been to Suffolk residents, 81% have been from other cities

1291
01:53:49,830 --> 01:53:50,610
or other states.

1292
01:53:55,200 --> 01:53:58,620
And the purpose of all this is safety. The Suffolk Police Department

1293
01:53:58,620 --> 01:54:03,520
works hard each and every day to ensure that our mother and public can move through our

1294
01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:08,320
city safely. The deployment of this technology is specifically focused on slowing traffic

1295
01:54:08,660 --> 01:54:13,840
and potentially dangerous areas to keep our workers, keep our children, keep our citizens

1296
01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:19,540
and our visitors safe while they're in our city. And with that being said, I'll turn it

1297
01:54:19,540 --> 01:54:22,880
But Mr. Lewis, and I'll be available to answer any questions when he's done it.

1298
01:54:33,170 --> 01:54:37,450
So again, we're just going to do a quick overview of the entire program and just give you

1299
01:54:37,450 --> 01:54:39,050
a few updated facts on this.

1300
01:54:39,730 --> 01:54:43,030
So again, remember, we're actually running four different types of systems.

1301
01:54:43,030 --> 01:54:47,710
We're running the red light running systems that are yet to come on board, and I'll talk

1302
01:54:47,710 --> 01:54:49,830
a little bit about that in just a moment.

1303
01:54:50,370 --> 01:54:53,210
We currently have the speeding in the school zones.

1304
01:54:53,430 --> 01:54:54,630
There's a permanent cameras.

1305
01:54:55,190 --> 01:54:59,150
We have the passing of the stop school buses that are portable cameras on a certain number

1306
01:54:59,150 --> 01:54:59,830
School buses.

1307
01:55:00,050 --> 01:55:30,030
And again, we have speeding in two of the work zones within our city. Again, just reminding you, a lot of these, you're seeing these temporary trailers set up in front of the school zones, they're being converted to a more permanent setup. And again, on the sides of the school buses, currently we have 51 school buses in the city that are outfitted with these camera systems. And again, our work zones, the state loan, these work zones and these school zones are very clear as to how we are

1308
01:55:30,030 --> 01:55:46,240
operate when we operate and what requires signage has to be in place. There's been a lot of internet traffic lately about those but again everything has been verified as being correct and proper in accordance with state law as far as signage and locations.

1309
01:55:48,950 --> 01:55:57,530
So again, we have the red light running cameras we're getting ready to bring online our biggest challenge as far has been getting permanent power to these.

1310
01:55:58,010 --> 01:56:04,690
The good news is I got notification just before I came in today that very first one of those had a meter set today

1311
01:56:04,690 --> 01:56:07,390
That's at prudent and lake prints drive

1312
01:56:07,950 --> 01:56:10,850
So again, we're in a very near future. We'll bring that online

1313
01:56:10,850 --> 01:56:14,770
We are working on the rest of the gentleman from dominion power is committed to me

1314
01:56:14,770 --> 01:56:21,110
He's working the rest of the list to try to get those cameras those meter sets so those cameras can operate

1315
01:56:21,110 --> 01:56:25,030
I'll remind you one of the requirements is once we bring those online

1316
01:56:25,030 --> 01:56:33,130
We have to do a 30-day warning period in which we issue the warning notices to the public before we can begin actual enforcement.

1317
01:56:33,810 --> 01:56:40,830
And prior to doing that, we would certainly do a very extensive public notification and outreach to give people warning that those are in place.

1318
01:56:48,500 --> 01:56:51,760
So again, what are the locations of these red light cameras?

1319
01:56:51,980 --> 01:56:57,760
Again, you can see those at this point, we are authorized by state code to have up to nine locations.

1320
01:56:57,760 --> 01:57:03,700
We initially selected eight of these and one of those is actually a little bit on hold

1321
01:57:03,700 --> 01:57:05,000
again pending construction.

1322
01:57:05,900 --> 01:57:09,860
So there may be a time as we move forward that we end up with a work zone camera and

1323
01:57:09,860 --> 01:57:13,660
that construction zone depending on what the experience is once construction starts.

1324
01:57:14,280 --> 01:57:17,980
But again all of these cameras are getting ready to come online as soon as we can get permanent

1325
01:57:17,980 --> 01:57:19,220
power in place to them.

1326
01:57:21,600 --> 01:57:25,820
Just real quickly as a reminder what the civil penalties are and I say civil because these

1327
01:57:25,820 --> 01:57:30,040
These do not have criminal relationships to them.

1328
01:57:30,180 --> 01:57:31,580
There are no points brought to license.

1329
01:57:32,480 --> 01:57:37,540
So again, when the red light cameras come online, they will be a $50 per violation charge.

1330
01:57:37,940 --> 01:57:43,080
School bus violation, certainly one of the most important things is a $250 fee and the

1331
01:57:43,080 --> 01:57:47,340
school zone and the worker zones are each $100 a piece for violating those work zones.

1332
01:57:48,120 --> 01:57:52,840
I will remind you there is a 10 mile an hour threshold on the speed zones.

1333
01:57:52,840 --> 01:57:59,660
So whatever the posted speed limit is, you have up to nine miles an hour above that before the camera kicks on.

1334
01:58:00,140 --> 01:58:04,240
There's been a lot of comments about whether or not the cameras can track multiple vehicles.

1335
01:58:04,580 --> 01:58:11,040
Again, as we noted in earlier presentations, these are state-of-the-art LiDAR, which is laser related systems

1336
01:58:11,040 --> 01:58:14,500
and they can track multiple vehicles almost instantaneously.

1337
01:58:15,280 --> 01:58:20,860
So again, when somebody says, well, I was driving through and another vehicle blew by me and I got the ticket.

1338
01:58:21,600 --> 01:58:25,600
I will guarantee you both vehicles got the ticket or all three vehicles got the ticket.

1339
01:58:25,900 --> 01:58:29,680
There's been some conversation about have we been sighting tractor trailers?

1340
01:58:30,560 --> 01:58:32,680
And again, yes, we are sighting tractor trailers.

1341
01:58:32,820 --> 01:58:37,720
In fact, I've had some conversations with one of the big carriers in our area

1342
01:58:37,720 --> 01:58:39,020
and I said, how are you handling this?

1343
01:58:39,040 --> 01:58:42,780
And they said, we tracked down who's pulling our trailer and we sent in the bill.

1344
01:58:42,960 --> 01:58:44,240
So those are going out also.

1345
01:58:46,540 --> 01:58:50,380
So again, the question is, what are we going to do with the funds that have been raised us

1346
01:58:50,380 --> 01:58:55,660
for from the operation of these cameras. And again, the whole idea was to try to put this

1347
01:58:55,660 --> 01:59:00,720
money back into improving public safety around our city. We talked at the last council

1348
01:59:00,720 --> 01:59:04,300
meeting about upgrading the school flashes. One of the complaints we've heard quite a

1349
01:59:04,300 --> 01:59:09,120
bit is our school flashes do not always seem to come on and come off at exactly the proper

1350
01:59:09,700 --> 01:59:15,820
time. I liken to the mayor the other day that it's kind of like we took a system over and

1351
01:59:15,820 --> 01:59:22,880
We got everything from a state-of-the-art Tesla to a Model T with bail and wire and duct tape on the fender.

1352
01:59:23,080 --> 01:59:24,740
So, again, we're trying to bring that up.

1353
01:59:25,180 --> 01:59:29,880
The beauty of it is, once we get these things upgraded, we will be able to instantaneously know every day,

1354
01:59:30,000 --> 01:59:32,980
every moment whether they're operating properly, we'll be able to generate reports.

1355
01:59:33,600 --> 01:59:37,700
If during a day, schools either take in late or close early,

1356
01:59:37,840 --> 01:59:39,980
we can instantly send a message out from our office,

1357
01:59:40,140 --> 01:59:42,400
one message, and change all the cameras to the appropriate,

1358
01:59:42,400 --> 01:59:46,480
I'm sorry, not the camera's changed the flashers to the appropriate times.

1359
01:59:47,000 --> 01:59:51,280
The days when those occur, we do not operate the citation system.

1360
01:59:51,920 --> 01:59:55,880
So if school was supposed to be open 8.30 in the morning for some reason, it's 10.30

1361
01:59:55,880 --> 01:59:58,280
when the cameras don't operate that day.

1362
01:59:58,640 --> 01:59:59,980
You hear a lot of things floating around.

1363
02:00:00,620 --> 02:00:28,160
We operate these within the parameters of the times on the signs that are posted in each of these locations. So, again, last council, you all authorize us to upgrade the school flashes. And we also have a proposal to put a pedestrian crosswalk and some sidewalk improvements in between Kingsford High School and Middle School. We are proceeding full with those right now under designing and ex-equipment has been ordered for the pedestrian system. And, again, hoping the very near future will have that operational.

1364
02:00:28,160 --> 02:00:33,980
The side won't work may end up being this summer after school gets out again to minimize

1365
02:00:33,980 --> 02:00:35,620
the impact to our school system.

1366
02:00:36,220 --> 02:00:39,880
There have been a number of other projects that have been suggested and some of those

1367
02:00:39,880 --> 02:00:44,640
you'll see on the screen as for possible things to use these funds for.

1368
02:00:45,180 --> 02:00:50,200
My staff is very much in the process right now evaluating these and trying to work up cost

1369
02:00:50,200 --> 02:00:55,160
estimates and effectiveness estimates that we can bring back to again decide on what the

1370
02:00:55,160 --> 02:01:00,320
final locations that we're going to utilize these funds for and with that the

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chief and I certainly stand available for any questions you may have on any of

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02:01:04,140 --> 02:01:09,700
these aspects of our program. Thank you. We'll get all on lights up now Councilman

1373
02:01:09,700 --> 02:01:15,720
Fossick. Robert thanks for the presentation also chief thank you for what you're

1374
02:01:15,720 --> 02:01:21,520
doing out there each and every day in all your officers and personnel. The school

1375
02:01:21,520 --> 02:01:26,600
flashes. Do you have any idea? I know that's going to be a kind of a monumental project

1376
02:01:26,600 --> 02:01:32,140
to get them all synchronized to where you can put them online at the times it's supposed

1377
02:01:32,140 --> 02:01:36,780
to be. Is there any timeline on one of that project? Is it still be operated by the school

1378
02:01:36,780 --> 02:01:42,760
system now? The way it operates under there, I guess it's got a box there and they set the

1379
02:01:42,760 --> 02:01:47,460
time and all that in there for them lights. So where are you going to be in the process

1380
02:01:47,460 --> 02:01:53,200
of how long it's going to take to get this program shifted to you so we don't hear complaints

1381
02:01:53,200 --> 02:01:56,880
about where the school light is going to operate and then I got to take it, blah, blah,

1382
02:01:56,880 --> 02:01:57,080
blah.

1383
02:01:57,460 --> 02:01:58,240
What are your thoughts?

1384
02:01:58,560 --> 02:01:58,860
Yes, sir.

1385
02:01:59,380 --> 02:02:05,780
So, back when this system began, back early, late last spring, early summer, we, we, the

1386
02:02:05,780 --> 02:02:09,500
city went to the school system and said, hey, we'd like to take these systems over for you

1387
02:02:09,500 --> 02:02:14,160
and operate them because again, we saw it was imperative that the flashing light systems

1388
02:02:14,160 --> 02:02:17,620
and the camera systems worked hand in glove.

1389
02:02:17,840 --> 02:02:19,340
They had to be timed the same.

1390
02:02:20,560 --> 02:02:22,760
As I noted earlier, and we took that system over,

1391
02:02:22,860 --> 02:02:24,960
we got everything from state-of-the-art equipment

1392
02:02:24,960 --> 02:02:27,180
that we don't really need to do anything to,

1393
02:02:27,340 --> 02:02:29,500
except maybe put a communications modem in,

1394
02:02:31,080 --> 02:02:33,720
to stuff that might even have been out there

1395
02:02:33,720 --> 02:02:35,180
when I was a kid in school.

1396
02:02:35,500 --> 02:02:38,080
So some of this stuff is very hard to keep operational.

1397
02:02:38,740 --> 02:02:39,980
There are actually two dates.

1398
02:02:40,240 --> 02:02:41,180
There are a couple of locations

1399
02:02:41,180 --> 02:02:43,140
that we've had complaints about operation.

1400
02:02:43,140 --> 02:02:48,880
We actually have a camera watching the flashers again to make sure they're operating properly and we can document if they're not.

1401
02:02:49,220 --> 02:02:50,980
Again, we get calls from time to time.

1402
02:02:51,420 --> 02:02:52,180
We can check on that.

1403
02:02:52,320 --> 02:02:56,660
Our priority at this point, I've asked staff as soon as this equipment starts coming in.

1404
02:02:57,100 --> 02:03:04,380
Let's hit those ones that we've got the complaints that we know is the oldest equipment, the least reliable equipment and start bringing it online.

1405
02:03:04,920 --> 02:03:12,240
Again, the equipment just was ordered and in today's world, we just don't know how quickly some of that may come in.

1406
02:03:12,240 --> 02:03:15,980
And we've not been told it's going to be an extended period of time, but it's probably

1407
02:03:15,980 --> 02:03:19,520
going to be at least a couple months, but get all this in and get it out into field

1408
02:03:19,520 --> 02:03:20,620
and get it operational.

1409
02:03:21,860 --> 02:03:30,880
And also in that process, you all be sure positively sure that there's no obstruction from where

1410
02:03:30,880 --> 02:03:38,360
the flashing light indicates before it gets to the radar detection of the traffic, because

1411
02:03:38,360 --> 02:03:40,580
because I've heard complaints we're allowed.

1412
02:03:40,800 --> 02:03:46,480
You can't see the lights and the signage is in the way of the lights and we need to do

1413
02:03:46,480 --> 02:03:52,960
everything we can to make sure that those blinking lights are 100 percent in the eyeballs

1414
02:03:52,960 --> 02:03:55,440
of those drivers so that we don't hear those complaints.

1415
02:03:56,240 --> 02:03:58,280
And I know I've had a plane two of that.

1416
02:03:58,920 --> 02:04:02,340
Yes sir, we've heard a couple of those two and actually in the process of moving a couple

1417
02:04:02,340 --> 02:04:07,640
of signage locations now to make sure that one is not blocking the other in any shape

1418
02:04:07,640 --> 02:04:08,400
form of fashion.

1419
02:04:09,380 --> 02:04:14,220
And I think that, you know, you touched on the, you know, the amount of money where it's

1420
02:04:14,220 --> 02:04:20,440
going, the projects we're trying to do, I think we need to get somehow to the public

1421
02:04:20,440 --> 02:04:27,480
that we're not putting this money into the general fund to use for other city projects.

1422
02:04:28,040 --> 02:04:35,820
It's going to be embarked for public safety issues, for corrections of a public safety committee

1423
02:04:35,820 --> 02:04:43,580
that's working diligently, I know I'm on it, the mayor's on it, to come up with ways to

1424
02:04:43,580 --> 02:04:47,080
utilize those funds to improve the safety for the public.

1425
02:04:47,420 --> 02:04:52,440
So, we're not dipping into the general fund or we're not putting this into the general

1426
02:04:52,440 --> 02:04:56,320
fund to be used for other road projects or other things.

1427
02:04:56,320 --> 02:04:59,900
And I think that's, people ask like, where are you going to go with the five million dollars?

1428
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:29,980
You know, I mean, it's, how many times we can explain over and over what we're trying to use this for, but we truly are keeping, we have to keep hitting on that because we don't want them to think that this money is just being, you know, used for other things. And we're trying to build the coffers up in our pockets here in the city. And that's not what we're trying to do. We're truly using this funding for safety for the public. And we will continue to use that. I'm sure I don't have

1429
02:05:29,980 --> 02:05:35,580
to relay more than that to you and to the chief, but that's something that I keep hearing

1430
02:05:35,580 --> 02:05:40,720
over and over. It's a lot you hear on the internet that keeps hitting us. You know, of

1431
02:05:40,720 --> 02:05:45,180
course, it's always going to be the unhappy person that gets the ticket. I mean, I would

1432
02:05:45,180 --> 02:05:51,140
be unhappy if I got one, but that's my stupidity if I get it. But we just need to do something

1433
02:05:51,140 --> 02:05:59,400
to get this traffic, the slow down in those areas that we got these detection systems up,

1434
02:05:59,400 --> 02:06:04,260
And I'm hoping that we get those red light camera meters in.

1435
02:06:05,060 --> 02:06:08,520
I know we're ready up north end with a couple of locations.

1436
02:06:09,280 --> 02:06:18,620
Harp of you Boulevard coming off 664 or 164 coming down to Harp of you Boulevard is a disaster.

1437
02:06:19,340 --> 02:06:23,980
You usually find one upside down or you have a broad side hit there.

1438
02:06:24,640 --> 02:06:29,300
We need that camera diligently on there because the traffic coming out of that area coming off that.

1439
02:06:29,300 --> 02:06:35,740
interstate is just horrendous of that traffic light. So keep up what you're doing. I appreciate

1440
02:06:35,740 --> 02:06:37,720
everything everybody's doing. Thank you.

1441
02:06:37,940 --> 02:06:38,020
Yes sir.

1442
02:06:38,840 --> 02:06:39,620
Vice Mayor Ward?

1443
02:06:40,020 --> 02:06:45,900
Yes sir. I just, and I spoke to your body. I just want to make sure, loud and clear, about

1444
02:06:46,860 --> 02:06:53,880
is a time period when the lights are off with no construction, 10, 11 o'clock a night is, you know,

1445
02:06:53,880 --> 02:06:57,060
It's free to drive more than 25.

1446
02:07:00,680 --> 02:07:05,000
So what I can tell you is the question always is when are the camera systems operating?

1447
02:07:05,620 --> 02:07:10,520
So the school camera systems operating during the times of the day that school is taking

1448
02:07:10,520 --> 02:07:15,380
in and closing and shutting down and students are leaving as posted on those signs.

1449
02:07:15,960 --> 02:07:21,720
Times outside of those signs the cameras are not operating in the school zones.

1450
02:07:21,720 --> 02:07:28,920
in the work zones, generally our work zones run from 7 a.m. to 5 p.m. weekdays.

1451
02:07:30,080 --> 02:07:35,900
Now if there is a day that we have really bad weather and there's absolutely no work going on in the work zone,

1452
02:07:36,380 --> 02:07:41,860
we do share that and we turn the cameras off into those periods of time and certainly nights and weekends.

1453
02:07:42,140 --> 02:07:46,080
But there are occasionally times like on Holland road where we've had to work at night.

1454
02:07:46,780 --> 02:07:49,880
And when we have people working at night, the cameras are operational.

1455
02:07:49,880 --> 02:07:54,880
Again, it's all about trying to keep the folks that are working in the highway safe and

1456
02:07:54,880 --> 02:07:57,820
getting them home along with the folks that are passing by.

1457
02:07:58,140 --> 02:08:02,980
We don't want something to happen and they react and have a crash and then they don't

1458
02:08:02,980 --> 02:08:03,500
make it home.

1459
02:08:03,860 --> 02:08:08,900
So yes, sir, it's very clear when they're operation, when they're not antidotically, I will

1460
02:08:08,900 --> 02:08:12,520
tell you that we have seen these to be very effective.

1461
02:08:12,520 --> 02:08:19,800
If lawful time, not oftentimes almost all the time, night days and weekends, I see special

1462
02:08:19,800 --> 02:08:25,080
58, I see traffic driving at a much slower rate, much more in tune with the traffic laws

1463
02:08:25,500 --> 02:08:26,820
than what we've had in the past.

1464
02:08:28,380 --> 02:08:31,240
But always, always obey the posted speed limits.

1465
02:08:32,200 --> 02:08:33,320
Thank you.

1466
02:08:33,560 --> 02:08:34,040
Yes, sir.

1467
02:08:38,660 --> 02:08:39,220
Thank you.

1468
02:08:40,900 --> 02:08:49,340
I was surprised and the number of court cases that people are going to court challenges

1469
02:08:49,340 --> 02:08:50,200
and their tickets.

1470
02:08:50,480 --> 02:08:55,020
I didn't realize it was that many people, I thought they were just paying the bill.

1471
02:08:55,740 --> 02:09:01,940
With that number going to court, has anybody talked to the courts to find out the strain

1472
02:09:01,940 --> 02:09:04,240
that that's putting on the court system?

1473
02:09:05,400 --> 02:09:06,120
Anybody know that?

1474
02:09:08,500 --> 02:09:11,940
That's some different, you know, added on to what they've done.

1475
02:09:12,700 --> 02:09:18,620
And I know that it's been flowing pretty smoothly, going to court, because they have a specific

1476
02:09:18,620 --> 02:09:22,840
day that they'll hear these cases, that they'll hear the camera cases, and they'll usually

1477
02:09:22,840 --> 02:09:23,840
get them done first.

1478
02:09:24,420 --> 02:09:30,100
But as far as the strain on the court, I can't speak enough, but it doesn't appear to be anything

1479
02:09:30,100 --> 02:09:32,440
other than, you know, a normal court day.

1480
02:09:33,620 --> 02:09:43,020
I believe it was 1100 or so contested out of 133,000 and the whole scheme of things relatively

1481
02:09:43,020 --> 02:09:44,020
small number.

1482
02:09:45,100 --> 02:09:45,480
Okay.

1483
02:09:45,660 --> 02:09:50,580
I was just wondering with the amount of court cases that they have to hear, is that

1484
02:09:50,580 --> 02:09:57,700
that money should be directed to system and whatever, what they might have to actually put

1485
02:09:57,700 --> 02:09:58,100
in there.

1486
02:09:58,500 --> 02:09:59,100
That's a good point.

1487
02:09:59,100 --> 02:09:59,540
Yes sir.

1488
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:29,580
I would like for us to take a look at that and work with the courts to see about the amount of time or extra time that it takes them to go through this. Maybe some of that money should be directed to the courts to help them with whatever needs they might have. That's just a thought. I'll bring it back later. Yes, sir. Mr. Bennett, also one of the things that I have heard, again, anecdotally, I do not have actual numbers to back this up, is there was a much higher rate of

1489
02:10:29,580 --> 02:10:35,240
of challenging these in court in the early days. And now there's a little bit of history

1490
02:10:35,240 --> 02:10:39,220
and folks are seeing how these are being treated by the court. That number is starting

1491
02:10:39,220 --> 02:10:44,840
to decrease. So what the chief gave you there was the overall number since the creation

1492
02:10:44,840 --> 02:10:49,200
of the project. We probably need to look at months by month how those numbers have gone.

1493
02:10:49,760 --> 02:10:50,760
I appreciate that.

1494
02:10:51,000 --> 02:10:51,320
Thank you, sir.

1495
02:10:52,440 --> 02:10:53,080
Mr. Manager?

1496
02:10:54,600 --> 02:11:07,640
Councilman Bennett just to go back to your question and loading of the courts, of course, we're heading into the operating budget time, and we'll wait to see conversations that point with the courts, what may or may not be seen.

1497
02:11:10,120 --> 02:11:10,960
Councilman Rector.

1498
02:11:12,620 --> 02:11:22,140
Thank you, Mr. Robert. Just a couple of quick questions on the cameras that are on the school buses. I believe you said they're on 61 of them, 51 51.

1499
02:11:23,080 --> 02:11:31,280
Do the routes that those buses take vary day-to-day so that, you know, one day it might be going through Williamston the next day

1500
02:11:31,280 --> 02:11:34,080
a bus might be out on Old Mill Creek

1501
02:11:35,520 --> 02:11:44,860
Or are they or the cameras that are on those buses? Are they assigned to specific routes so that essentially only those routes are being enforced?

1502
02:11:46,360 --> 02:11:52,360
Certainly, I can't give you the day in a day out so that I believe my understanding is generally these are fixed routes

1503
02:11:52,360 --> 02:11:56,060
in the bus, the A bus runs the same right over and over again.

1504
02:11:57,040 --> 02:11:59,020
There's certainly an expense to these.

1505
02:11:59,080 --> 02:12:05,100
These cameras are about $499 a month to operate on each camera.

1506
02:12:05,580 --> 02:12:10,180
So currently we invest in almost $25,500 a month into this camera system.

1507
02:12:10,780 --> 02:12:13,460
What we did in the beginning was we asked the school system,

1508
02:12:13,680 --> 02:12:17,320
please evaluate the locations where you think you had the most need.

1509
02:12:18,040 --> 02:12:19,200
Where's your high speeds?

1510
02:12:19,820 --> 02:12:24,040
because, again, somebody running pass a bus on a highway is much different. Somebody

1511
02:12:24,040 --> 02:12:29,220
running pass a bus in a neighborhood street. Valuate those, evaluate where your

1512
02:12:29,220 --> 02:12:33,140
drivers are seeing they're having the most violations. And the school system

1513
02:12:33,140 --> 02:12:37,180
actually picked where to put these and have deployed them thus. So I've actually

1514
02:12:37,180 --> 02:12:41,120
told to them about the feasibility of trying to move some buses around if they

1515
02:12:41,120 --> 02:12:44,740
got buses that are not really having any violations. Maybe we need to shift that

1516
02:12:44,740 --> 02:12:48,240
bus to another right, like you said, to get somewhere else.

1517
02:12:48,680 --> 02:12:56,100
Which really interesting, the number of violations on the buses is surprisingly low.

1518
02:12:57,380 --> 02:13:02,300
There's quite a few violations that are recorded, but the time it goes through the process

1519
02:13:02,700 --> 02:13:08,520
of being reviewed both by the company operating the system and by the police department, those

1520
02:13:08,520 --> 02:13:15,520
was go down dramatically. The last, like in the month of December, we actually had 17 violations

1521
02:13:15,520 --> 02:13:24,840
that we sent citations out for. That generated $4,250, but yet we paid almost $25,000 to operate

1522
02:13:24,840 --> 02:13:29,540
the system. So at this point, the rest of the system, the other camera systems are helping

1523
02:13:29,540 --> 02:13:37,040
to subsidize and keep the bus systems going. The bus system is not a cash neutral. We're

1524
02:13:37,040 --> 02:13:40,440
We're actually subsidizing that, but again, that's part of what the whole program is about.

1525
02:13:40,800 --> 02:13:45,380
It's an overall safety program that we're trying to make everybody on the streets safer.

1526
02:13:45,880 --> 02:13:48,760
And certainly our children and most precious cargo we have out there.

1527
02:13:49,220 --> 02:13:51,640
So again, we are subsidizing and keeping that going.

1528
02:13:52,560 --> 02:13:58,320
Good program, as we go forth, please partner and I are going to participate with a program

1529
02:13:58,320 --> 02:14:00,700
with the school bus drivers at a very near future.

1530
02:14:01,200 --> 02:14:05,680
And we're going to talk about some of the things that we're seeing in the videos as to why

1531
02:14:05,680 --> 02:14:09,980
the citations may not be making it all the way through to actually getting a

1532
02:14:09,980 --> 02:14:15,640
ticket issued. A lot of that has to do with the state law says you can't pass a

1533
02:14:15,640 --> 02:14:21,440
stopped school bus. When the school bus is coming to a stop, if they turn the

1534
02:14:21,440 --> 02:14:26,220
lights on early, the red lights and the school bus is still moving, anybody that

1535
02:14:26,220 --> 02:14:30,060
passes that bus is technically not in violation and those are getting thrown out.

1536
02:14:30,800 --> 02:14:34,320
So again, we think some of this may be educational the part of the bus drivers

1537
02:14:34,320 --> 02:14:40,240
that there may be a few more violators like that we need to catch and try to change their behavior but

1538
02:14:40,240 --> 02:14:44,560
again it's educational for the drivers also for school bus drivers and we're working on that.

1539
02:14:45,660 --> 02:14:50,820
So going back to my original question if the school system determines that a

1540
02:14:51,940 --> 02:14:57,660
camera that a bus needs to change the route they have the ability I guess to do that if a driver says

1541
02:14:57,660 --> 02:14:59,980
you know I'm for whatever reason I'm getting

1542
02:15:30,000 --> 02:15:58,260
I drive it. I don't want somebody else to drive it. So, you know, when you start talking about shifting equipment around, it gets a little bit more challenging, because people take ownership of that, and they take pride in their equipment, and I appreciate that. There are certainly these things are physically mounted to the school bus. They're built in there. There's a lot of time and money invested in installing them, so we can't just say, well, we just take it out of this bus and move it to another bus. So, again, we are looking at that with them, though.

1543
02:15:58,260 --> 02:16:05,440
And then the red light cameras, and you were talking about work zone at night, the cameras

1544
02:16:05,440 --> 02:16:08,420
can pick something up, can pick up a license plate at night.

1545
02:16:08,720 --> 02:16:11,540
Yes, sir, it's infrared, infrared, awesome, okay.

1546
02:16:12,700 --> 02:16:17,980
Then one more, you were talking about, you know, if the school had a delayed opening

1547
02:16:17,980 --> 02:16:23,220
or whatnot, and their opening time does not match what is on that sign, the cameras aren't

1548
02:16:23,220 --> 02:16:23,840
cut on.

1549
02:16:23,840 --> 02:16:42,260
And does that essentially mean that there's if for whatever reason because of a snow or a storm or whatever and there's a two hour delay or they get out at noon that when they're leaving or arriving to school at the late opening and then leaving at an early dismissal, there's essentially no enforcement.

1550
02:16:45,110 --> 02:16:50,210
Yes, I'm a little bit hesitant to make that because again we want people to obey our traffic law.

1551
02:16:50,210 --> 02:16:53,690
all the time for safety, but yes, we are not operating the systems.

1552
02:16:53,990 --> 02:16:57,250
If it's a day for some reason, our school system gets canceled altogether.

1553
02:16:57,950 --> 02:17:02,930
Again, we notify the company, we turn the system off and we do not issue citations during

1554
02:17:02,930 --> 02:17:03,510
those times.

1555
02:17:03,970 --> 02:17:07,110
So, again, on the social media, there's been a lot of comments made.

1556
02:17:07,170 --> 02:17:09,730
I got one at midnight in front of such and such school.

1557
02:17:11,050 --> 02:17:18,350
We are yet to have a valid person come back to us and bring us a ticket and show us a

1558
02:17:18,350 --> 02:17:22,190
violation like that. Because again, we're open. If we have something not operating properly,

1559
02:17:22,830 --> 02:17:28,230
we'll, we'll plot no process to ticket and correct the situation. But yet we are yet to see

1560
02:17:28,910 --> 02:17:33,690
some, most all of these violations that are saying, well, I didn't do this or it happened at

1561
02:17:33,690 --> 02:17:41,630
our time or something. We do not have any, anybody actually come forward yet with a valid ticket.

1562
02:17:41,630 --> 02:17:48,090
They can show us that was done in properly. Okay. And then finally to sort of piggyback on something

1563
02:17:48,090 --> 02:17:56,250
that Councilman Fawcett brought up, in terms of how we utilize the money that is collected.

1564
02:17:58,110 --> 02:18:04,950
I think we need to be careful with how we define things because the term public safety

1565
02:18:04,950 --> 02:18:10,890
can be pretty broadly applied. I mean, what I don't want to do is see a turn in to the

1566
02:18:10,890 --> 02:18:16,150
Commerce Clause of the Constitution. We're basically everything that Congress wants to

1567
02:18:16,150 --> 02:18:20,630
do, they can throw it under the commerce clause, so I just, you know, we told the public

1568
02:18:20,630 --> 02:18:25,090
that the money was going to be used to enhance public safety, and I just, I think we need

1569
02:18:25,680 --> 02:18:28,450
to make sure that that's where it is spent.

1570
02:18:29,890 --> 02:18:31,650
Mr. Manager, if you could address that.

1571
02:18:31,910 --> 02:18:36,350
If I may, as we work through our budget this coming year, we're going to have line items

1572
02:18:36,350 --> 02:18:39,650
in a few of the departments that call it community safety.

1573
02:18:39,650 --> 02:18:49,710
So that can be anything that is safety generated, some project could be a road improvement

1574
02:18:49,710 --> 02:19:00,070
where we have a crosswalk, lights in the dark and area, or in talking as we work through

1575
02:19:00,070 --> 02:19:05,980
the public safety committee, we could be talking about some of our safety issues related to

1576
02:19:05,980 --> 02:19:14,780
like. But the key is is that it all will be used for safety for our community and for

1577
02:19:14,780 --> 02:19:20,140
our residents. And that's what we promised the public. I'm glad to hear that.

1578
02:19:22,470 --> 02:19:22,890
Council

1579
02:19:22,890 --> 02:19:28,370
and other questions or comments. Thank you, Chief. Thank you, Robert, for your presentation.

1580
02:19:28,930 --> 02:19:38,040
Just a couple of things. Believe me, I've probably addressed more. Speak and

1581
02:19:38,040 --> 02:19:41,960
a number of questions, comments. I mean, just as recently as this morning, I had somebody

1582
02:19:41,960 --> 02:19:48,360
show up with two citations that they'd received out of the street in a school zone, so we

1583
02:19:48,360 --> 02:19:52,940
had to address those. I got my car, I came back, a couple of pictures and by the time I got

1584
02:19:52,940 --> 02:19:59,760
back, we fixed it. But there's a lot of misinformation out there.

1585
02:20:00,500 --> 02:20:08,720
As Mr. Lewis alluded to, number one, when this initiative was passed by Council, it was unanimous

1586
02:20:08,720 --> 02:20:13,380
vote, and it didn't involve any money. There was no income mentioned. Didn't really

1587
02:20:13,380 --> 02:20:18,860
doesn't make any difference if there wasn't any income, because the key was that it was

1588
02:20:18,860 --> 02:20:25,240
guaranteed to the city that it would be revenue neutral. There's a set contract, a set number

1589
02:20:25,240 --> 02:20:29,340
of dollars, and I'm just going to use a round number and say it's $100,000 a month that's

1590
02:20:29,340 --> 02:20:34,760
based on how many cameras per camera I've read the whole contract with the responsibility

1591
02:20:34,760 --> 02:20:41,860
of the contractor is in regards to the equipment and ensuring that it's calibrated properly

1592
02:20:41,860 --> 02:20:43,500
in the collection process.

1593
02:20:44,240 --> 02:20:50,760
So from our standpoint, it was a way to enhance safety on our roads.

1594
02:20:51,700 --> 02:20:56,520
If anybody's been on the roads, I can't find anybody who can argue with me that the majority

1595
02:20:56,520 --> 02:21:01,860
of the population adheres to the speed limit. As most of the time, if you're doing 10 over,

1596
02:21:02,000 --> 02:21:08,020
you're probably going to get run over, especially some of the areas, especially on 58, numerous

1597
02:21:08,020 --> 02:21:11,640
occasions, Councilman Johnson talking about how he couldn't get out of his place. We've got

1598
02:21:11,640 --> 02:21:19,220
more truck traffic coming through. There's a lot of trucks being cited. So the dollars for one

1599
02:21:19,220 --> 02:21:25,340
thing, we're not a consideration. Yes, we have, and once the contract, the weight of a contract

1600
02:21:25,340 --> 02:21:29,640
the contract reaches a $0.00 amount and then the initial

1601
02:21:30,340 --> 02:21:33,960
citations income is used to satisfy the contract.

1602
02:21:34,540 --> 02:21:37,840
If it's $100,000 contract and you only collect 90 grand,

1603
02:21:38,080 --> 02:21:41,000
well they're just short 10 grand and it's on them and ain't on us.

1604
02:21:41,480 --> 02:21:44,260
If the contract's 100 grand and collect 110,

1605
02:21:44,920 --> 02:21:49,020
then we get the amount over and above where it takes to satisfy the contract.

1606
02:21:49,220 --> 02:21:53,080
By statute it cannot be based on a per citation.

1607
02:21:53,080 --> 02:22:00,000
Nobody gets paid per citation, so there's not an incentive there to run it up.

1608
02:22:00,280 --> 02:22:09,440
We, I know in the situations that I've encountered that I have referred to the manager

1609
02:22:09,440 --> 02:22:16,100
to the city staff, everybody's been very responsive and we've resolved all of them that I know of.

1610
02:22:16,480 --> 02:22:20,060
And there were a couple of incidents where there was a legit mistake.

1611
02:22:20,060 --> 02:22:27,640
I mean, there was one where the license plate reader misread a number on the license plate.

1612
02:22:28,500 --> 02:22:33,480
And the constituent did have an issue getting through, which is a problem, but the main thing

1613
02:22:33,480 --> 02:22:39,360
is he got to us, and it was fixed in about 12 hours, I mean, just that quick.

1614
02:22:39,860 --> 02:22:47,140
So we're, staff has been very, very, very receptive to ensuring that we assist our citizens

1615
02:22:47,140 --> 02:22:50,460
since any time that they think that there's an issue.

1616
02:22:50,980 --> 02:22:52,800
What I suggest to everyone, though,

1617
02:22:52,800 --> 02:22:54,200
is before they bring it to me,

1618
02:22:54,560 --> 02:22:56,980
look at your citation, it has a picture,

1619
02:22:57,220 --> 02:23:00,620
it has a time, it has a date, and it has a time.

1620
02:23:02,830 --> 02:23:06,030
Once you do that, if there is a point of contention,

1621
02:23:06,030 --> 02:23:07,130
if there's a point of contention,

1622
02:23:07,250 --> 02:23:09,730
somebody else is driving the car, it's one form.

1623
02:23:10,470 --> 02:23:12,610
You fell one after David's saying it wasn't me.

1624
02:23:13,570 --> 02:23:15,170
It was Robert Lewis, and here's his name

1625
02:23:15,170 --> 02:23:16,370
and number, and he'll get them all.

1626
02:23:16,370 --> 02:23:26,920
No, I didn't say that, or if I'm going to pay for that week, I was just a joke, his face

1627
02:23:26,920 --> 02:23:27,480
is torn red.

1628
02:23:28,000 --> 02:23:31,980
Okay, the other way is possibly they read a license plate on a car that you don't own

1629
02:23:31,980 --> 02:23:32,480
anymore.

1630
02:23:33,220 --> 02:23:35,340
You know, you were no longer the legal owner of that car.

1631
02:23:35,620 --> 02:23:38,920
It's one piece of paper, it's done, it's disputed, it's taken care of.

1632
02:23:39,300 --> 02:23:41,180
There are ways to go to court.

1633
02:23:41,360 --> 02:23:44,240
It's not your typical court case, these are not criminal violations.

1634
02:23:44,860 --> 02:23:52,280
You don't need a lawyer, there's no conspiracy theory out there, there's a lot of constitutionality

1635
02:23:52,280 --> 02:23:54,880
and due process, these are civil violations.

1636
02:23:55,620 --> 02:23:59,020
Just like if you go through the tunnel and you don't pay your toll, you're going to get a ticket

1637
02:23:59,420 --> 02:24:00,680
based on your license plate.

1638
02:24:01,660 --> 02:24:04,560
They really don't care who was in the car when you went through the toll.

1639
02:24:05,500 --> 02:24:08,200
You can say, I went driving while it's your car and went through the toll,

1640
02:24:08,620 --> 02:24:10,080
you don't want it's going to get to citation.

1641
02:24:13,940 --> 02:24:20,020
And I can say three words, I mean, look at those numbers, I mean, it is, I'm looking

1642
02:24:20,020 --> 02:24:24,240
at December's numbers and I knew they'd been steadily coming down, but when you look

1643
02:24:24,240 --> 02:24:30,460
at December, I mean, we went from thousands of, thousands of violations to hundreds.

1644
02:24:31,880 --> 02:24:33,240
I mean, this is substantial.

1645
02:24:33,460 --> 02:24:39,420
So some of the numbers that, you know, that some folks like to talk about just, you know,

1646
02:24:39,420 --> 02:24:45,480
that are high, this was based on early generation in those first couple of two, three months.

1647
02:24:46,260 --> 02:24:47,880
It's not going to be this kind of money.

1648
02:24:48,420 --> 02:24:51,200
I mean, it may be something, and if it is, it is.

1649
02:24:51,780 --> 02:24:56,480
But it's absolutely working when you can go from 30,000 to less than a thousand.

1650
02:24:57,460 --> 02:24:59,240
I mean, it's doing what it's supposed to do.

1651
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:11,280
And I've seen it everywhere that I go when I hit a zone. I mean, people slow down. There's no question about it. They are very conscious of those particular areas, and that's what we want.

1652
02:25:14,260 --> 02:25:29,880
In regards to the money, I've had more conversations with the managers that I'd like to think about. And we are, he has come up with a way for this money to be part of the budget in this

1653
02:25:29,880 --> 02:25:36,260
community safety fund to be allocated to particular departments based on what

1654
02:25:36,260 --> 02:25:43,240
we feel like the need would be with the idea that how it is spent will come

1655
02:25:43,240 --> 02:25:50,690
from two entities basically our public safety committee which are our

1656
02:25:50,690 --> 02:25:54,290
public safety committee virtually every department had an

1657
02:25:56,880 --> 02:25:57,800
organization throughout

1658
02:25:57,800 --> 02:26:02,400
the city that is directly concerned with safety from the Commonwealth's

1659
02:26:02,400 --> 02:26:06,320
attorney's office to the police department, the fire department, the manager's office,

1660
02:26:06,600 --> 02:26:10,780
public works, the sheriff's department, the jail.

1661
02:26:11,020 --> 02:26:18,920
Everyone who has an interest and a responsibility for public safety will be in one room at

1662
02:26:18,920 --> 02:26:24,360
one time and it's amazing how much can get done in a short period of time when you have

1663
02:26:24,360 --> 02:26:31,890
that sort of group in a room where the fire chief can bring up something.

1664
02:26:31,890 --> 02:26:35,610
It was his idea on the mile markers where the police chief can bring up something.

1665
02:26:35,750 --> 02:26:41,970
It was his idea on the lighting where we can talk about light that actually came through

1666
02:26:41,970 --> 02:26:48,370
the manager's office because we had a few issues out there that require demolition

1667
02:26:48,370 --> 02:26:49,870
buildings, but where does the money come from?

1668
02:26:50,310 --> 02:26:54,970
So that's one piece, but the important piece is not up and running yet, and that's the public

1669
02:26:54,970 --> 02:26:55,450
input.

1670
02:26:56,150 --> 02:27:00,190
The public input for safety, we're going to have, you know, once we get our portal

1671
02:27:00,190 --> 02:27:08,270
up through this public safety committee, it will allow our citizens to go one line and

1672
02:27:08,270 --> 02:27:12,230
make suggestions as to what they would like to see in their neighborhood, what they think

1673
02:27:12,230 --> 02:27:17,830
will work in their neighborhood, and it could be putting up a light, it could be taking

1674
02:27:17,830 --> 02:27:23,230
down a dilapidated structure. It could be some additional signage someplace.

1675
02:27:29,570 --> 02:27:30,170
This is the

1676
02:27:30,170 --> 02:27:37,310
be able to respond instantly if you will because those requests, the way of visiting, I think

1677
02:27:37,310 --> 02:27:40,990
I got it right, those requests will come through to public safety committee to public safety

1678
02:27:40,990 --> 02:27:46,910
would take a look at it, make our recommendations, go back to the manager and the manager will

1679
02:27:46,910 --> 02:27:51,370
come back to take action based on what is there.

1680
02:27:51,930 --> 02:27:59,350
Now keep in mind this does not preclude or substitute for what has already gets addressed

1681
02:27:59,350 --> 02:28:03,890
every day. I mean if there's an issue with public safety, I mean we're

1682
02:28:03,890 --> 02:28:08,090
addressing it now. You know if it's a matter of taking a house down, filling a

1683
02:28:08,090 --> 02:28:12,370
part of the pot hole, whatever needs to be done, we are doing that and that's not

1684
02:28:12,370 --> 02:28:20,150
going to stop. But this is just something that will allow for a better response

1685
02:28:20,150 --> 02:28:26,030
and immediate response to address those safety issues and by safety it could

1686
02:28:26,030 --> 02:28:31,610
be, you know, it's it's also issues that are going to deter crime all the way through

1687
02:28:31,610 --> 02:28:32,030
our city.

1688
02:28:32,210 --> 02:28:35,810
So I just want everybody to know that that's that's the plan.

1689
02:28:36,610 --> 02:28:40,150
And I don't see the reason why we're going to vary from that, Mr. Manager.

1690
02:28:40,650 --> 02:28:46,370
Yeah, it's like to add, if I may, mayor, is that what we'd be looking at is non-recurring

1691
02:28:46,370 --> 02:28:46,870
costs.

1692
02:28:47,030 --> 02:28:47,230
Correct.

1693
02:28:47,790 --> 02:28:53,150
Because you have a declining revenue stream and what we would be looking at is what you

1694
02:28:53,150 --> 02:29:00,070
have the previous fiscal year, so you're not anticipating funds that you may not receive.

1695
02:29:01,090 --> 02:29:07,010
So that's how it's fought through with working with the budget officer, is that you would

1696
02:29:07,010 --> 02:29:12,350
look what where you're at at the end of the fiscal year, you look at that funding and

1697
02:29:12,350 --> 02:29:17,270
then you allocate it on what projects may in the different departments that we deemed

1698
02:29:17,270 --> 02:29:22,510
to be appropriate, but they should not be reoccurring costs associated because you do not have

1699
02:29:22,510 --> 02:29:27,870
a reoccurring, potentially a reoccurring revenue, especially if you, you know, are construction

1700
02:29:28,510 --> 02:29:33,690
lanes or say 58's done, 460's done, and we have shoulders hill road, but that's out

1701
02:29:33,690 --> 02:29:34,270
of the intersection.

1702
02:29:34,270 --> 02:29:37,170
You may not have that type of revenue.

1703
02:29:37,470 --> 02:29:41,290
So we need to really think through this as we implement it.

1704
02:29:41,530 --> 02:29:41,630
Right.

1705
02:29:41,850 --> 02:29:49,270
And I think the manager in speaking to staff, I mean, I think this is an excellent way to handle

1706
02:29:49,270 --> 02:29:52,230
the money that goes and this is money that's already collected.

1707
02:29:52,790 --> 02:29:57,810
So just like you mentioned, we can't create anything that's going to depend on this revenue stream

1708
02:29:57,810 --> 02:29:59,710
because it may just dry up one day.

1709
02:30:00,300 --> 02:30:26,640
But until it does, we want this money to be readily available and to get back into the communities that, you know, we're charged to serve. And I think this is an excellent way to do it. You look at the numbers, 80-some percent of the individuals or entities that are receiving the citations are not self-agresidents. A lot of them are the trucks that are blowing through. And that's a big concern.

1710
02:30:27,820 --> 02:30:34,260
So, like I said, it's been a little rocky to start with, I say a little rocky, it's just

1711
02:30:34,260 --> 02:30:41,220
because there's so much misinformation out there, but I am very satisfied with where

1712
02:30:41,220 --> 02:30:48,440
we are right now and to its effectiveness and also how we're going to plan on using the

1713
02:30:48,440 --> 02:30:48,880
revenues.

1714
02:30:49,760 --> 02:30:54,900
So, with that being said, that's enough for cameras for the night, I haven't talked about cameras

1715
02:30:54,900 --> 02:31:01,000
since yesterday. Or since this morning. I want to stay fresh. Anybody else have any questions or comments

1716
02:31:01,000 --> 02:31:07,760
before we move on? If not, we do have a couple of motions this evening. Once in motion the schedule

1717
02:31:07,760 --> 02:31:12,680
of public hearing to be held on February 7th, 2024. Do you receive public comment on the second

1718
02:31:12,680 --> 02:31:17,860
amendment to the way that the communications tower leads and cell co-partners ship doing business

1719
02:31:17,860 --> 02:31:23,000
as Verizon wireless and the motion would be in order. Councilman Williams. A little to approve.

1720
02:31:23,000 --> 02:31:25,760
In a motion of approval, Councilman Williams, Councilman Fossett.

1721
02:31:26,140 --> 02:31:26,580
Second.

1722
02:31:26,980 --> 02:31:29,820
Second from Councilman Fossett, is there any discussion in the motion?

1723
02:31:30,660 --> 02:31:32,460
Hearing none, Councilmembers prepare to vote.

1724
02:31:33,100 --> 02:31:33,940
Please cast your vote.

1725
02:31:35,280 --> 02:31:36,700
Madam Clerk, please record to vote.

1726
02:31:38,020 --> 02:31:39,900
Motion is approved by vote of 7-0.

1727
02:31:40,380 --> 02:31:46,740
Our next motion is the motion of the Schedule of City Council Work Justice for Wednesday, February 7th, 2024, 4 p.m.

1728
02:31:47,120 --> 02:31:50,100
Unless canceled, the motion would be in order, Councilman Fossett.

1729
02:31:50,380 --> 02:31:51,240
Move to approve, ma'am.

1730
02:31:51,240 --> 02:31:53,920
The motion approval, Councilman Fawcett, Councilman Johnson.

1731
02:31:54,340 --> 02:31:54,580
Second.

1732
02:31:54,820 --> 02:31:56,120
Second from Councilman Johnson.

1733
02:31:56,400 --> 02:31:58,540
Is there any discussion in the motion?

1734
02:31:59,280 --> 02:32:01,420
Hearing none, Councilmembers prepared a vote.

1735
02:32:02,080 --> 02:32:02,960
Please cast your vote.

1736
02:32:04,240 --> 02:32:05,780
Madam Clerk, please record a vote.

1737
02:32:06,780 --> 02:32:08,840
Motion is approved by vote of 7-0.

1738
02:32:10,080 --> 02:32:11,960
We'll now move to non-agenda speakers.

1739
02:32:12,220 --> 02:32:13,880
Madam Clerk, do we have any non-agenda speakers?

1740
02:32:14,140 --> 02:32:15,500
Please explain the guidelines.

1741
02:32:16,040 --> 02:32:17,740
We do have non-agenda speakers this evening.

1742
02:32:17,860 --> 02:32:20,540
Each person participating under the item of business entitled

1743
02:32:20,540 --> 02:32:24,840
will monitor into speakers, shall limit their service to their remarks to the services

1744
02:32:24,840 --> 02:32:29,080
policies and affairs of city government and shall be permitted five minutes for the

1745
02:32:29,080 --> 02:32:30,800
purpose of presenting his or her matter.

1746
02:32:31,340 --> 02:32:35,440
Speakers appearing before city council will not be permitted to participate in the following

1747
02:32:35,440 --> 02:32:36,120
activities.

1748
02:32:36,540 --> 02:32:41,200
To campaign for public office, engage in personal attacks, promote private business ventures

1749
02:32:41,200 --> 02:32:42,100
or use profanity.

1750
02:32:42,560 --> 02:32:46,900
Speakers will violate these rules who declare out of order by the presiding officer and will

1751
02:32:46,900 --> 02:32:48,700
immediately yield the floor and be seated.

1752
02:32:48,700 --> 02:32:58,280
Our first not agenda speaker this evening is William Goodman, 5-11 read court representing self-regarding relocation of traffic line.

1753
02:32:58,880 --> 02:32:59,900
It's Mr. Goodman, President.

1754
02:33:19,470 --> 02:33:20,390
Good evening, Mr. Mayor.

1755
02:33:21,310 --> 02:33:21,930
Council members.

1756
02:33:26,500 --> 02:33:28,400
Do I have to repeat my name again?

1757
02:33:31,500 --> 02:33:31,980
Okay, good.

1758
02:33:35,450 --> 02:33:42,330
I'm here tonight because of the fact that I'm not a resident in the

1759
02:33:42,330 --> 02:33:49,090
particular bearer, but I do own some property in the bearer involved. I think it's the way

1760
02:33:49,090 --> 02:33:59,690
to be a bearer. I have spoken with the councilman for that bearer in reference to this problem.

1761
02:33:59,690 --> 02:34:12,290
Now, it is an unsafe, which I consider a situation at the intersection of South Saratoga

1762
02:34:12,290 --> 02:34:14,890
Street and Wellen Street,

1763
02:34:17,640 --> 02:34:24,910
because the old junkyard is located there, where the intersection

1764
02:34:24,910 --> 02:34:25,370
is.

1765
02:34:26,630 --> 02:34:28,870
There's a chain leak fence,

1766
02:34:31,080 --> 02:34:35,980
there is a stop sign there and there's a whole line there.

1767
02:34:39,110 --> 02:34:47,810
The traffic that's situated at the whole line cannot clearly see the traffic that's

1768
02:34:47,810 --> 02:34:55,970
approaching from the north side on well in the street without crossing the whole line.

1769
02:34:57,220 --> 02:34:59,420
So consequently, F.

1770
02:35:00,210 --> 02:35:29,890
The traffic is holding there across the whole line, trying to find, trying to see what's coming from the right side. And there's an accident that puts that pedestrian in fault. According to the regulations that I'm familiar with, you're not to move across that line until the way it's clear. And the sense, that fence there has some plastic in it. So you can't even see through the changing

1771
02:35:29,890 --> 02:35:33,990
any fence with traffic approaching you from the right side.

1772
02:35:36,940 --> 02:35:42,840
I feel as though that something should be done about it and could be done about it.

1773
02:35:43,380 --> 02:35:47,060
It's on private property based on information I got.

1774
02:35:48,020 --> 02:35:57,260
And there's a metal barrier around the fence right there where the whole line is.

1775
02:35:57,260 --> 02:36:08,380
So I would like to see that situation corrected before we have an accident.

1776
02:36:10,580 --> 02:36:23,710
So if it's all, if it's at all possible, I would like to see if someone that responsible

1777
02:36:23,710 --> 02:36:29,250
for this situation, such as the whole line itself.

1778
02:36:30,350 --> 02:36:37,390
Now, if the city has to buy a couple of feet from the junkyard or whoever owns the property,

1779
02:36:37,870 --> 02:36:39,150
I think it's well worth it.

1780
02:36:40,370 --> 02:36:46,470
A person's life, to me, is very valuable and that can really happen.

1781
02:36:46,470 --> 02:36:47,370
So,

1782
02:36:52,220 --> 02:36:56,620
we didn't hear all this time because otherwise I'd have got up and walked away.

1783
02:36:57,180 --> 02:36:59,540
I'm an old fellow now, I had to go to bed early.

1784
02:37:00,940 --> 02:37:07,700
But I felt it was very important that all of you were made aware of this situation.

1785
02:37:10,080 --> 02:37:15,780
So, I would appreciate anything in the action that's taken in reference to this matter.

1786
02:37:15,780 --> 02:37:15,860
Are

1787
02:37:21,360 --> 02:37:26,540
there any questions? I think I have some answers if you have any.

1788
02:37:34,850 --> 02:37:36,690
No questions? Thank

1789
02:37:36,690 --> 02:37:41,750
you for your attention and I hope we can get some assistance on this matter. Thank you

1790
02:37:41,750 --> 02:37:49,130
very much. Our final speaker is Philip Burns 2210 East Washington Street representing

1791
02:37:49,130 --> 02:37:50,830
self-regarding the police department.

1792
02:38:01,340 --> 02:38:04,340
Yeah I'm here because I have an issue with what

1793
02:38:04,340 --> 02:38:12,020
happened last year in September. I called the police because someone shot out the rear

1794
02:38:12,020 --> 02:38:18,880
windows of my Chevrolet Colorado. They responded in due time and then three weeks later they

1795
02:38:18,880 --> 02:38:25,440
called me. But in between the time October 7th, I had an accidental discharge on my firearm

1796
02:38:26,140 --> 02:38:34,020
inside my apartment and I shot myself in my finger. So I go to the first precinct. I talk

1797
02:38:34,020 --> 02:38:39,720
to an officer in the park a lot, and I report the incident before I go to the ER to get

1798
02:38:39,720 --> 02:38:47,660
stitched up. And when I go to the ER, the detective shows up and they want to do a report,

1799
02:38:47,840 --> 02:38:52,200
they want to confiscate my firearm. I'm like, okay, how long will you have my weapon?

1800
02:38:52,200 --> 02:38:56,620
He said seven to ten days. I'm like, okay, fine, so I sign a permission slip, so I'm

1801
02:38:56,620 --> 02:39:02,220
at the hospital, they go into my apartment. I come home in the next day, a detective

1802
02:39:02,220 --> 02:39:06,400
them calls me regarding the shooting involving my truck and I said well I'm in the middle of

1803
02:39:06,400 --> 02:39:11,580
another issue with your department regarding my gun and I said can you call me back in

1804
02:39:11,580 --> 02:39:16,980
about five days she never return my call and I wanted to get I wanted to find out if

1805
02:39:16,980 --> 02:39:21,760
they actually use that trailer camera because it's like right there in front of my truck

1806
02:39:21,760 --> 02:39:26,180
because three kids actually walked by and I'm smoking and I go toward the back of the

1807
02:39:26,180 --> 02:39:32,830
property and they were shooting at me and I want to know why these kids have not been

1808
02:39:32,830 --> 02:39:37,070
identified because I think under civil law I should be able to go after the parents with

1809
02:39:37,070 --> 02:39:42,390
the $495 I had to pay to fix my windows. Thankfully they didn't hit the frame of my truck.

1810
02:39:42,970 --> 02:39:47,290
It was a through and through through my glass and where I usually stand a smoke is right there

1811
02:39:47,290 --> 02:39:52,850
between my truck and my neighbor's car and the bullet went through both mine and broke my neighbor's

1812
02:39:52,850 --> 02:39:59,190
van window and it's like they were I felt like they were more concerned about violating my second

1813
02:39:59,190 --> 02:39:59,930
get a member right and

1814
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:29,920
I'm taking my gun and they are about capturing these three kids that don't even live at Hofler and are running around gang banging on Washington Street. So I want to know what's going on. Why was I treated like a criminal when I followed the rules. I know that the hospital has to report, but I was like, I can go to the police department in route to the hospital. It wasn't like I was gushing or my finger wasn't like falling off. And I try to go ask for the police and they would always try and say,

1815
02:40:29,920 --> 02:40:39,140
He's not here. He's not here. One time I felt threatened because I'd go in and say I want to speak to the chief about my firearm being returned and here come three officers

1816
02:40:39,960 --> 02:40:44,440
One at my nine o'clock one at noon and one at my three o'clock position

1817
02:40:44,440 --> 02:40:50,960
There was no one behind me because there was a door and I felt like they were trying to entrap me and I and I was like

1818
02:40:50,960 --> 02:40:55,980
Officer I have a right to stand my ground do not encroach on my personal space

1819
02:40:55,980 --> 02:41:00,560
I have a right to get my gun back because they were trying to say that they could charge me

1820
02:41:00,560 --> 02:41:05,760
criminally because I had my my finger on my gun like you're supposed to going down the

1821
02:41:05,760 --> 02:41:11,440
breach and when I went to put it in the holster what happened was the holster fell off my

1822
02:41:11,440 --> 02:41:11,800
pants.

1823
02:41:12,120 --> 02:41:18,500
It wasn't clipped and so I went down to pick it up, the gun discharged and hit my finger.

1824
02:41:19,020 --> 02:41:22,740
But I don't like being treated like a criminal when the criminals are actually out there

1825
02:41:22,740 --> 02:41:24,760
running a muck on East Washington.

1826
02:41:25,440 --> 02:41:28,560
And I wanted an audience with the chief of police,

1827
02:41:28,860 --> 02:41:32,420
but the two people that work in the front area,

1828
02:41:32,620 --> 02:41:34,960
we're always like, oh, he can't talk to you, blah blah.

1829
02:41:35,100 --> 02:41:36,680
And they would try to run me out of the building.

1830
02:41:36,840 --> 02:41:40,260
Well, we have a right to regress and approach our government,

1831
02:41:40,420 --> 02:41:41,700
including law enforcement.

1832
02:41:42,160 --> 02:41:44,120
Because I told him you are now in violation

1833
02:41:44,120 --> 02:41:48,920
of Article 42 of US Code 1983.

1834
02:41:49,560 --> 02:41:51,560
And they went like, you don't know your rights.

1835
02:41:51,560 --> 02:41:53,100
I'm like, yes, I do know my rights.

1836
02:41:53,220 --> 02:41:57,360
I'm a veteran, I didn't take an oath to defend the Constitution without knowing the Constitution.

1837
02:41:58,460 --> 02:42:03,440
You have a right to keep them bare arms unless you are a felon.

1838
02:42:04,360 --> 02:42:09,480
And it's like, why was I being treated like a criminal over an accidental discharge of

1839
02:42:09,480 --> 02:42:11,400
my firearm within my apartment?

1840
02:42:11,580 --> 02:42:12,300
No one heard it.

1841
02:42:12,940 --> 02:42:14,040
So no one called 911.

1842
02:42:14,420 --> 02:42:19,520
I went and did the right thing and I was being criminalized, yet the kids who shot up

1843
02:42:19,520 --> 02:42:28,480
My truck are still out there, that's all I wanted to know was, what can I do to get help from the police when I try and call them?

1844
02:42:32,800 --> 02:42:34,840
That's all I have to say. Thanks.

1845
02:42:37,490 --> 02:42:38,970
That concludes our speakers, ma'am.

1846
02:42:41,720 --> 02:42:46,020
Okay, this time we'll ask if meeting and community relations director Jenner for more has any announcements.

1847
02:42:55,680 --> 02:42:58,660
Good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor, City Council, City Manager.

1848
02:42:58,660 --> 02:43:00,860
Senator, exciting

1849
02:43:06,260 --> 02:43:07,800
news from Seth Fyre and Rescue.

1850
02:43:08,200 --> 02:43:13,560
Fire Chief Michael Baraki was appointed to the Public Safety and Homeland Security E-911

1851
02:43:13,560 --> 02:43:15,740
Services Board by Governor Glenn Youngkin.

1852
02:43:16,160 --> 02:43:21,080
The purpose of the board is to provide support and assist statewide public safety centers

1853
02:43:21,080 --> 02:43:26,460
in the provision of 911 operations and services, including through provision of funding and

1854
02:43:26,980 --> 02:43:28,540
the development of best practices.

1855
02:43:29,280 --> 02:43:33,900
The board is also responsible for the planning, promotion and assistance in the statewide

1856
02:43:33,900 --> 02:43:36,580
Development, Deployment, and Maintenance of Emergency Services.

1857
02:43:36,980 --> 02:43:38,420
Congratulations, Chief Faraki.

1858
02:43:40,840 --> 02:43:43,080
The Economic Development Department is excited to announce

1859
02:43:43,080 --> 02:43:45,460
that Walker's market is now open for business.

1860
02:43:45,960 --> 02:43:48,200
The ribbon was cut on January 13th

1861
02:43:48,200 --> 02:43:50,140
on this new family-owned convenience store

1862
02:43:50,140 --> 02:43:52,280
aimed at providing a new shopping option

1863
02:43:52,280 --> 02:43:53,700
for the downtown Suffolk area.

1864
02:43:54,260 --> 02:43:56,640
Walker's market will provide a variety of goods,

1865
02:43:57,220 --> 02:43:58,880
two patrons including fresh produce,

1866
02:43:59,440 --> 02:44:01,560
grocery items, and other convenience items.

1867
02:44:04,640 --> 02:44:06,420
Governor Glenn Youngkin announced this week

1868
02:44:06,420 --> 02:44:12,220
that Selenis, a leading global producer and specialty chemicals for water extensive industries,

1869
02:44:12,220 --> 02:44:17,220
will invest $193 million to expand its operation in the city of Suffolk.

1870
02:44:17,420 --> 02:44:22,740
The company will build a new 80,000 square foot production facility, packaging facility,

1871
02:44:22,900 --> 02:44:28,320
and tank farm, and add a new rail spur to accommodate the production of the Polymer product,

1872
02:44:28,680 --> 02:44:31,780
which are used in the paper and cardboard manufacturing process.

1873
02:44:32,440 --> 02:44:36,320
Suffolk successfully competed with Georgia and Texas for this project.

1874
02:44:36,320 --> 02:44:38,580
which will create 34 new jobs.

1875
02:44:39,040 --> 02:44:41,220
For more information visit Selenis.com.

1876
02:44:43,740 --> 02:44:46,440
Suffolk Public Library wants kids to increase their confidence

1877
02:44:46,440 --> 02:44:48,760
and their reading skills through the Barks program.

1878
02:44:49,220 --> 02:44:52,420
And they invite you to join them on Saturday, January 20th at 2PM

1879
02:44:52,420 --> 02:44:56,840
to read to therapy dogs who will listen as you read them

1880
02:44:56,840 --> 02:44:57,820
your favorite books.

1881
02:44:58,360 --> 02:44:59,820
Registration is required.

1882
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:03,300
For this event, so for more information, visit Suffolk Public Library dot com.

1883
02:45:06,050 --> 02:45:31,610
And the tourism division is excited to share that the winter farmers market is back on February 3rd from 10 a.m. to 1 p.m. at the Suffolk Visitor Center Pavilion. Subsequent markets will be held on the 1st, 3rd and 5th Saturdays of each month through the end of April. The market offers an array of fresh local produce, meat eggs, honey, baked goods, soaps, candles, jewelry, and so much more. For more information, visit Suffolk VA Farmers Market dot com.

1884
02:45:31,610 --> 02:45:37,660
In the Parks and Rec Department reminds you that the Bonta Cours Care Band Mobile Clinic

1885
02:45:37,660 --> 02:45:41,240
will be at the East Suffolk Rec Center on the first Wednesday of every month with the

1886
02:45:41,240 --> 02:45:43,120
next visit being February 7th.

1887
02:45:43,460 --> 02:45:47,760
They will offer free medical services that provide general medical care to uninsured adults

1888
02:45:47,760 --> 02:45:48,340
and children.

1889
02:45:48,600 --> 02:45:53,040
Appointments begin at 8.30 a.m. to schedule an appointment visit BontaCourts.com.

1890
02:45:55,240 --> 02:45:59,840
In the Suffolk Office on Youth is excited to present an inclusive cooking course for children

1891
02:45:59,840 --> 02:46:00,840
ages 6 and up.

1892
02:46:00,840 --> 02:46:06,420
this two-week program invites individuals with disabilities to explore recipes in a fun and welcoming environment.

1893
02:46:06,700 --> 02:46:12,220
Foodies, aims to empower aspiring chefs while fostering self-confidence and friendships.

1894
02:46:12,700 --> 02:46:19,320
The cost of the event is $30 and we'll start on February 6th at the planner's club from 5.30 to 7.30 pm.

1895
02:46:19,620 --> 02:46:21,940
For more information visit southicva.us.

1896
02:46:22,980 --> 02:46:27,820
And lastly on your screen are the various ways for residents to stay connected to the city of Southic.

1897
02:46:28,120 --> 02:46:29,040
Thank you and have a good night.

1898
02:46:29,040 --> 02:46:30,180
Okay, thank you very much more.

1899
02:46:30,800 --> 02:46:32,560
We'll now move on to announcements from City Council.

1900
02:46:32,860 --> 02:46:37,840
Councilman Rector, hang on, I have something else

1901
02:46:37,840 --> 02:46:38,600
under new business.

1902
02:46:39,120 --> 02:46:39,280
Remember?

1903
02:46:39,620 --> 02:46:42,640
Oh, we skipped, absolutely, they skipped new business.

1904
02:46:43,420 --> 02:46:45,960
Madam Clerk, I stand corrected here.

1905
02:46:46,120 --> 02:46:47,940
Do we have any additions to the Nights Agenda?

1906
02:46:48,700 --> 02:46:50,120
No additions from Mayan.

1907
02:46:50,340 --> 02:46:53,160
No additions here and do we have any other new business

1908
02:46:53,160 --> 02:46:55,500
that require action to City Council for consideration?

1909
02:46:56,080 --> 02:46:56,840
Councilman Rector.

1910
02:46:56,840 --> 02:46:58,520
here. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1911
02:47:00,820 --> 02:47:04,360
Evidently, from time to time, a business gets a business license

1912
02:47:04,360 --> 02:47:09,260
and should probably have also applied for a conditional use permit based on the zoning

1913
02:47:09,260 --> 02:47:15,920
for where that business is, but it kind of falls under the radar a little bit. So, and

1914
02:47:15,920 --> 02:47:21,280
then it comes before us or it gets pointed out and it creates an issue for the business.

1915
02:47:21,540 --> 02:47:26,520
So what I'd like to do is make a motion and move that the Planning Commission, considering

1916
02:47:26,520 --> 02:47:32,600
an amendment to the UDO to provide a process reminding notices of violation for not having

1917
02:47:32,600 --> 02:47:38,080
a CUP, but allows the use to continue if the building official and fire marshal certify

1918
02:47:38,080 --> 02:47:43,300
that the continued use will not harm public health and safety and the property owner applies

1919
02:47:43,300 --> 02:47:49,380
for a CUP within 30 days of the notice and receives approval within 150 days of the application.

1920
02:47:51,530 --> 02:47:54,870
Okay, we get a motion from Councilman Rector, Councilman Falsett.

1921
02:47:55,930 --> 02:47:57,990
Mayor, I'd like to second that motion, I have this.

1922
02:47:58,310 --> 02:48:01,430
We'll get a second from Councilman Fossett, is there any discussion of the motion?

1923
02:48:02,570 --> 02:48:04,430
Any non- Councilmembers prepared to vote?

1924
02:48:05,210 --> 02:48:06,370
Please cast your vote.

1925
02:48:07,890 --> 02:48:09,570
Madam Clerk, please record to vote.

1926
02:48:11,810 --> 02:48:13,610
Motion is approved, 5.7 to 0.

1927
02:48:14,410 --> 02:48:18,370
Okay, we will now move on to announcements from City Council, Councilman Rector.

1928
02:48:19,850 --> 02:48:20,430
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1929
02:48:20,790 --> 02:48:22,390
I'll be fairly brief.

1930
02:48:29,320 --> 02:48:33,540
I did attend the opening along with you and I believe Councilman Bennett of the opening

1931
02:48:33,540 --> 02:48:39,080
of Walker's Market in Washington Street in the old Pinter's Flores building and he

1932
02:48:39,080 --> 02:48:45,700
does offer an eclectic to say the least variety of goods that may or may not be available

1933
02:48:45,700 --> 02:48:51,340
at any other local market so hopefully he's going to do well and thrive.

1934
02:48:51,340 --> 02:49:06,200
I think over time he's said that his offering of merchandise will change as the request and demands of the neighborhood dictate one of the things that he does have is a huge variety of fresh herbs.

1935
02:49:06,720 --> 02:49:13,340
Not fresh herbs, dry herbs is my wife keeps correcting me for saying so if you're looking for some Moroccan mint.

1936
02:49:15,200 --> 02:49:18,800
530, West Washington Street is the place to go get it.

1937
02:49:20,580 --> 02:49:24,200
Briefly, I'm just going to touch on this because I know that Councilman Fawcett wants

1938
02:49:24,200 --> 02:49:28,160
to talk a little bit more about it, but he and I did attend the change of command for

1939
02:49:28,160 --> 02:49:33,020
the joint forces, second fleet, combined joint operations from the sea and the center of

1940
02:49:33,020 --> 02:49:35,400
excellence over at the Norfolk Naval Station.

1941
02:49:35,900 --> 02:49:41,960
One of the things that we did get to do after the thing was to take a brief tour of the aircraft

1942
02:49:41,960 --> 02:49:54,300
and I had never been on an aircraft carrier and we went up on the flight deck. He was explaining to us about operations on the flight deck and I looked down and I found the challenge going for the USS Truman.

1943
02:49:54,300 --> 02:49:59,980
and I offered it up to the lieutenant commander that was doing the guided tour for me.

1944
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:29,660
I mean, he said, no, he said, basically, somebody else's losses, your gain, we want you to keep the coin, and we also thank you for clearing the flight deck of any debris. Anyway, I didn't realize how critical it was that there is no debris on the flight deck, but evidently it is. And then Monday, along with the mayor and see councilman person, Barlow, and who else was with us? Anyway, we attended the Martin Luther King celebration.

1945
02:50:29,660 --> 02:50:34,400
there was held at Nanceman River High School and it was a good event.

1946
02:50:34,760 --> 02:50:41,040
Unfortunately, it was punctuated near the end, as one of the presenters had a little bit of an episode with his diabetes.

1947
02:50:42,020 --> 02:50:44,840
But anyhow, I understand he's doing well.

1948
02:50:45,580 --> 02:50:50,060
And then I would like to congratulate Chief Baraki on his appointment from the governor.

1949
02:50:50,740 --> 02:50:57,220
And then also thank Selenis for continuing their investment in the city of Suffolk.

1950
02:50:57,220 --> 02:51:03,520
And then finally what I'd like to do is just wish my son a happy birthday on this, his

1951
02:51:03,520 --> 02:51:04,320
29th birthday.

1952
02:51:04,860 --> 02:51:05,880
And with that, I'll say goodnight,

1953
02:51:07,940 --> 02:51:08,800
handsome and Williams.

1954
02:51:10,120 --> 02:51:10,800
Thank you, Mayor.

1955
02:51:13,140 --> 02:51:19,060
First out, I would like to let me offer my condolences to Vice Mayor Ward.

1956
02:51:20,200 --> 02:51:27,320
He lost his brother, and I just want you to know that heart and prayer go without you

1957
02:51:27,320 --> 02:51:28,780
and anything that we can do.

1958
02:51:29,080 --> 02:51:30,400
Please let us know.

1959
02:51:33,450 --> 02:51:35,610
Like to thank Mr. Gutman for coming out

1960
02:51:36,410 --> 02:51:39,930
and we're very, very familiar with the,

1961
02:51:40,010 --> 02:51:46,010
I call it the folk, the peak city manager

1962
02:51:46,010 --> 02:51:49,230
and I had conversations about that piece of property

1963
02:51:49,950 --> 02:51:51,150
and he's correct.

1964
02:51:52,030 --> 02:51:54,010
It's an accident waiting to happen

1965
02:51:54,410 --> 02:51:58,230
and hopefully we can move on that maybe get something done.

1966
02:51:58,230 --> 02:52:06,450
My work for the month of January is Liberation.

1967
02:52:07,650 --> 02:52:17,470
The act of setting someone free from imprisonment, slavery, or oppression, and with that, I'd

1968
02:52:17,470 --> 02:52:18,070
like to say tonight.

1969
02:52:19,030 --> 02:52:20,050
Councilman Fawcett.

1970
02:52:21,990 --> 02:52:22,770
Thank you Mayor.

1971
02:52:24,150 --> 02:52:34,750
As our colleague, Mr. Rector, had stated, we did go off on the USS Harry Truman for the

1972
02:52:34,750 --> 02:52:35,370
second fleet.

1973
02:52:35,590 --> 02:52:41,950
I remember, the second fleet at one time had been disbanded for a number of years and

1974
02:52:41,950 --> 02:52:47,070
it back, I don't know, four or five years ago, they brought second fleet back, and I had

1975
02:52:47,070 --> 02:52:49,470
a chance to go to it when they reestablished it.

1976
02:52:50,610 --> 02:52:56,510
But it was probably one of the most powerful ceremonies, I think I've seen in quite some

1977
02:52:56,510 --> 02:52:56,990
time.

1978
02:52:58,090 --> 02:53:05,230
We did have the honorable Carlos del Toro, the secretary, and maybe he was with us

1979
02:53:05,230 --> 02:53:07,030
on that particular day.

1980
02:53:07,290 --> 02:53:14,310
We had the general four-star from the European command there.

1981
02:53:14,310 --> 02:53:20,530
We had the admiral from the U.S. Command Forces fleet here, along with the change of

1982
02:53:20,530 --> 02:53:25,950
command for Vice Admiral Daniel Dreyer, and he was relieved in the new Vice Admiral

1983
02:53:26,990 --> 02:53:28,450
is Douglas Perry.

1984
02:53:30,030 --> 02:53:31,270
It was a great ceremony.

1985
02:53:31,910 --> 02:53:36,830
I had the privilege to go up on a carrier, you know, I've been on a many a carrier in my

1986
02:53:36,830 --> 02:53:44,170
time, but to get John to go up on the carrier to be able to go through and go up on the flight

1987
02:53:44,170 --> 02:53:50,750
deck and go into the Truman room and it was just a great afternoon. We were well presented

1988
02:53:50,750 --> 02:53:56,890
and treated by the crew and we couldn't ask for anything anymore. But John did bribe

1989
02:53:56,890 --> 02:54:02,050
the captain of the ship as we were kind of an conversation. He sure that I got a challenge

1990
02:54:02,050 --> 02:54:07,030
coin because he felt bad that he found that one on the flight deck. But as the captain says,

1991
02:54:07,890 --> 02:54:12,510
there should be nothing on the flight deck or like that. It's called FOD which would be

1992
02:54:12,510 --> 02:54:18,350
We had a problem with aircraft operations and they were doing testing to the catapults

1993
02:54:18,350 --> 02:54:22,750
which we got to see and they were hot so that was pretty cool.

1994
02:54:23,890 --> 02:54:31,230
I want to give fire chief Brocky of shout out for getting selected for the E-911 services

1995
02:54:31,230 --> 02:54:31,710
board.

1996
02:54:33,150 --> 02:54:39,430
As we know, Salinas putting $193 million back into the city of Suffolk and we competed

1997
02:54:39,430 --> 02:54:43,630
with two other localities around, and that's a big deal.

1998
02:54:43,930 --> 02:54:46,450
I think Selenis is a top-notch group.

1999
02:54:47,430 --> 02:54:52,470
I got to hear their presentation at the EDA, and it was just, they gave a good presentation.

2000
02:54:54,610 --> 02:54:59,970
Mr. Ward, I'm sorry for the loss of your family member, my condolences go to-

2001
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:10,920
I would also like to take a moment to give my condolences to the Chris Jones family who was

2002
02:55:11,480 --> 02:55:21,920
our councilman mayor and our delegate and the Richmond chair of the Appropriations Committee.

2003
02:55:21,920 --> 02:55:25,280
He lost his wife at very early age.

2004
02:55:26,100 --> 02:55:27,440
Her name was Karen Jones.

2005
02:55:28,520 --> 02:55:32,700
Just a wonderful, wonderful woman.

2006
02:55:33,120 --> 02:55:35,880
And he is just the first class guy anyway.

2007
02:55:36,640 --> 02:55:40,520
But my condolences do go out to the Jones family

2008
02:55:40,520 --> 02:55:41,740
as well as the Ward family.

2009
02:55:42,000 --> 02:55:44,520
So with that, I will say goodnight.

2010
02:55:44,780 --> 02:55:45,440
We'll see you next time.

2011
02:55:46,280 --> 02:55:47,060
Councilman Bennett.

2012
02:55:53,720 --> 02:56:02,100
I'm glad that you got your signs up there tonight, so I hope Andy Fox is paying attention

2013
02:56:02,760 --> 02:56:08,600
so that he'll see the Jews in regulation with your signs, you say you were not, so he

2014
02:56:08,600 --> 02:56:13,440
had a lot of, so I started to start to back them and I said my laugh by the later on, but

2015
02:56:13,440 --> 02:56:18,320
I don't know who invited Andy over, but they should have gotten with you before they made

2016
02:56:18,320 --> 02:56:23,140
the presentation out there on the public, but I do appreciate you getting that straight.

2017
02:56:23,580 --> 02:56:28,800
There's a lot of false information I think has been actually put out there about the cameras

2018
02:56:28,800 --> 02:56:30,040
and what not.

2019
02:56:30,160 --> 02:56:36,180
And that's really why I think most of them get emails called and conversations quite a bit

2020
02:56:36,180 --> 02:56:36,720
about it.

2021
02:56:37,280 --> 02:56:42,520
But anyway, just because of false information, bad information put not there.

2022
02:56:42,520 --> 02:56:44,880
So I'm going to see Anne and Nick to my seam.

2023
02:56:44,940 --> 02:56:46,540
I'm going to tell him, remind him of it.

2024
02:56:48,020 --> 02:56:52,140
Also, congratulations to Chief Barker, Barker.

2025
02:56:52,780 --> 02:56:56,640
And the Walkins market, I know that family.

2026
02:56:57,460 --> 02:57:00,460
I knew his grandfather and all of them.

2027
02:57:00,680 --> 02:57:03,840
So it's a hard-working family, it's a family of business

2028
02:57:03,840 --> 02:57:07,720
and I'm sure they'll do well if you take anything

2029
02:57:07,720 --> 02:57:09,660
that is like his grandfather.

2030
02:57:09,660 --> 02:57:13,980
Some of you might know his grandfather was Sherman Hill.

2031
02:57:14,480 --> 02:57:20,640
He used to be a mechanic around a couple of service stations so he's a great person

2032
02:57:20,640 --> 02:57:23,840
here and so when he was here.

2033
02:57:25,500 --> 02:57:33,120
Also I'd like to say condolence to Chris Jones and I served on council within some years

2034
02:57:33,120 --> 02:57:39,700
before he went to Richmond and the loss of his wife and I just want to say my

2035
02:57:39,700 --> 02:57:45,880
condolence to the family and to you vice mayor ward I'm sorry here but you

2036
02:57:45,880 --> 02:57:52,760
lost your brother first I heard of it but you have my condolence and I know it's

2037
02:57:52,760 --> 02:57:58,260
not something easy no one looks for this time of year to have so much going on

2038
02:57:58,260 --> 02:58:03,200
in the lives, but we have to say, pray out up. That's what we have to do. So,

2039
02:58:07,920 --> 02:58:09,420
I think that's

2040
02:58:09,420 --> 02:58:13,400
enough for me. Thank you, and you're all there for a great evening.

2041
02:58:16,420 --> 02:58:17,380
Thank you, Councilman Johnson.

2042
02:58:17,960 --> 02:58:18,640
Very brief.

2043
02:58:20,020 --> 02:58:25,780
And so we're good. Congratulations, Chief Rocky. Thank you to the city staff. It's been a tremendous

2044
02:58:25,780 --> 02:58:30,040
busy week for all of us, I think. And staff is done what it always does and provided us

2045
02:58:30,040 --> 02:58:33,880
with lots of useful information. I appreciate it. Police Department, too, we've had a good

2046
02:58:33,880 --> 02:58:34,220
week.

2047
02:58:34,920 --> 02:58:40,740
Um, Lou, I'm sorry, but it hits all of us at some point.

2048
02:58:41,020 --> 02:58:47,720
Now also it's going to say how sorry we are for the loss of Chris Jones' wife, Karen.

2049
02:58:48,300 --> 02:58:51,420
If you remember Chris was our tennis shoe, he was my idol.

2050
02:58:51,640 --> 02:58:55,900
He wore tennis shoes to the council meetings and I think that's what we need to start back.

2051
02:58:56,120 --> 02:59:01,640
But that's really sad for him and um, but we are thinking about you and your family.

2052
02:59:01,640 --> 02:59:04,960
and with that, I'll say. Good night.

2053
02:59:06,180 --> 02:59:07,160
Vice Mayor Ward.

2054
02:59:07,540 --> 02:59:12,520
Yes, I think Councilman Williams will his support.

2055
02:59:13,200 --> 02:59:16,740
He called me every day to make sure I was all right,

2056
02:59:17,200 --> 02:59:21,260
and thank him so much for asking questions,

2057
02:59:21,440 --> 02:59:23,460
even when I was in New York at the time,

2058
02:59:23,460 --> 02:59:26,460
so I really think Councilman Williams will support.

2059
02:59:28,440 --> 02:59:35,220
I think all the people that called me up to me cards and let them know that I really

2060
02:59:35,220 --> 02:59:43,060
appreciate it and he was in New York but they do him a little here and I think that.

2061
02:59:43,500 --> 02:59:49,560
Also like to thank the mayor for his support, he's always there when I'm with that knees

2062
02:59:49,560 --> 02:59:51,640
so I thank you Mayor for your support.

2063
02:59:53,760 --> 02:59:57,980
And I also like to let you know that his home born

2064
02:59:57,980 --> 02:59:59,920
service is in, it's in court.

2065
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:19,220
We want to welcome you. Impostment at 12 o'clock and he'd be laid to rest in metal brook next to my mother. So also have my condolence for Chris Jones in his family. With that I would say oh yeah, I want to gradually, file a chief also. Thank you so much,

2066
03:00:20,440 --> 03:00:26,440
Okay, I'll be brief once again, I want to start off congratulating Chief Baraki on his

2067
03:00:26,440 --> 03:00:27,860
appointment by the governor.

2068
03:00:29,340 --> 03:00:34,960
I too want to offer my condolences to Vice Mayor Ward, I'm just putting it out there

2069
03:00:34,960 --> 03:00:39,600
because we talk all the time, matter of fact, I've been trying to get a hold of him, what

2070
03:00:39,600 --> 03:00:40,780
time did you get home last night?

2071
03:00:42,140 --> 03:00:48,020
Got home by 9 o'clock, so he was on road all day coming from New York, so I know that was

2072
03:00:48,020 --> 03:00:54,140
a fun trip. I do want to offer my sincere condolences to Chris Jones and the Jones family

2073
03:00:54,140 --> 03:00:56,060
on the passing of his wife Karen.

2074
03:00:58,940 --> 03:01:06,240
I met Karen several times and I think of his one word

2075
03:01:06,240 --> 03:01:13,200
that would describe her would be gracious. I think she was a very gracious person. That's what

2076
03:01:13,200 --> 03:01:19,260
hit me this morning, sum it up in one word. She was devoted and another thing is you know she could

2077
03:01:19,260 --> 03:01:27,820
just light up a room with her smile. She always had that smile and you can tell it was a genuine

2078
03:01:27,820 --> 03:01:33,840
smile. Sometimes people just smile to be smiling and they turn around and they're not smiling anymore.

2079
03:01:34,260 --> 03:01:38,980
You can tell that it was genuine when it came from her and there should be missed by all those who

2080
03:01:38,980 --> 03:01:44,840
had the good fortune to know her. I think there's a visitation Friday. I know the city put out some

2081
03:01:44,840 --> 03:01:52,980
information Friday evening, maybe from 6 to 8 a start event and at 2 p.m. on Saturday at Ebenezer,

2082
03:01:53,360 --> 03:02:02,040
which I believe is in Eclipse. Not much going on in the last week or so, the manager and I attended

2083
03:02:02,040 --> 03:02:09,760
to another regional meeting, a mayor's and CAO's to discuss addressing violence and possible

2084
03:02:09,760 --> 03:02:15,420
regional solutions that we could join together and we got a few presentations and threw

2085
03:02:15,420 --> 03:02:22,740
in a few more ideas so hopefully we'll be able to incorporate some of that, I too went to

2086
03:02:22,740 --> 03:02:24,900
Walker's Market and I wish them much success.

2087
03:02:25,260 --> 03:02:31,340
I mean it's tough opening up an independent business in today's market so hopefully they

2088
03:02:31,340 --> 03:02:36,880
would do well at which I wish them much success. I did attend the MLK City wide

2089
03:02:36,880 --> 03:02:38,960
event in Answerman River High School.

2090
03:02:41,920 --> 03:02:43,200
I was trying to think of something to

2091
03:02:43,200 --> 03:02:47,440
say for a quote and what have you for this evening and I've attended quite a

2092
03:02:47,440 --> 03:02:53,060
few MLK celebrations and it seems like at every one of these celebrations we

2093
03:02:55,460 --> 03:03:01,460
have a him lift every voice and sing and it's really the only time I hear it is

2094
03:03:01,460 --> 03:03:06,580
at MLK celebration. So I said, well, let me do a little bit of research. I mean, sit there

2095
03:03:06,580 --> 03:03:10,280
and you look at it, and you kind of give it a little lip service, and you might sing along.

2096
03:03:10,640 --> 03:03:16,420
But I started looking at the words and see kind of what jumped out at me. I did a little history first.

2097
03:03:16,900 --> 03:03:23,120
It was written by James Weldon Johnson, which is on this little form right here, but it was written

2098
03:03:23,120 --> 03:03:31,860
And in 1900, 1924 years ago, and it was written as a poem.

2099
03:03:32,960 --> 03:03:40,720
But it became a him, and it was adopted by the NAACP in 1919 as the organization's

2100
03:03:41,200 --> 03:03:42,120
official anthem.

2101
03:03:42,840 --> 03:03:50,220
So I started to look at the, a little bit more to content, take the content a little more

2102
03:03:50,220 --> 03:03:57,580
seriously and I got to the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7th and 8th line I think it is of the hymn.

2103
03:03:58,600 --> 03:04:04,320
The 7th line says, and this is going to be my quote of the night, but the 7th line reads,

2104
03:04:05,120 --> 03:04:12,600
sing a song full of the faith that the dark past has taught us.

2105
03:04:12,600 --> 03:04:22,540
The next line says, singing a song full of the hope that the present has brought us.

2106
03:04:24,320 --> 03:04:29,100
So we were reflecting on the past, but we're talking about the hope of the present.

2107
03:04:29,700 --> 03:04:30,760
This was in 1900.

2108
03:04:33,660 --> 03:04:44,060
Look what was going on in 1900, verses 2,024, and in 1900 we were talking about hope that

2109
03:04:44,060 --> 03:04:52,860
the president has brought us. So there is hope because we have indeed come a long way, but we need

2110
03:04:52,860 --> 03:04:59,920
to be cognizant of where we've come from and be vigilant that we continue to move forward. But we have

2111
03:05:01,480 --> 03:05:28,720
And with that being said, I am going to wish everyone a fine to do and ask for a motion to adjourn. Councilman Johnson, motion to adjourn from Councilman Fossett and Councilman Fossett, second by Councilman Fossett, any discussion of the motion? Hearing none, Councilmembers prepared a vote. Please cast your vote. Madam Clerk, please record a vote.

2112
03:05:28,720 --> 03:05:29,640
The

2113
03:05:35,050 --> 03:05:36,630
motion is approved by VOTE 7-0.

2114
03:05:36,970 --> 03:05:38,430
This meeting stands adjourned.