1 00:00:04,949 --> 00:00:09,149 >> mayor: all right, good evening, everyone, it's 6:30, 2 00:00:09,221 --> 00:00:12,157 I'm calling the meeting to order. 3 00:00:12,157 --> 00:00:13,558 mauricio. >> commissioner joseph. 4 00:00:13,558 --> 00:00:15,426 >> present. >> commissioner lama. 5 00:00:15,426 --> 00:00:16,628 >> here. >> commissioner stuyvesant. 6 00:00:16,628 --> 00:00:18,796 >> here. >> vice mayor viscarra. 7 00:00:18,796 --> 00:00:19,631 >> here. >> mayor sphechen. 8 00:00:19,631 --> 00:00:21,699 >> here. >> all members present, ma'am. 9 00:00:21,699 --> 00:00:24,699 >> mayor: okay, great. Thank you. 10 00:00:27,705 --> 00:00:29,641 if you could please ruse for the pledge of allegiance. 11 00:00:29,641 --> 00:00:33,241 [pledge of allegiance] >> mayor: thank you. 12 00:00:46,457 --> 00:00:50,657 we do not have an invocation tonight. 13 00:00:50,795 --> 00:00:52,795 mauricio? >> okay. 14 00:00:52,797 --> 00:00:55,533 so first item on the agenda that we will consider tonight is the 15 00:00:55,533 --> 00:00:59,733 approval of the minutes of may 14th. 16 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,810 >> can I get a motion, please? >> so moved? 17 00:01:05,810 --> 00:01:07,810 >> second. >> second. 18 00:01:07,879 --> 00:01:10,879 >> all in favor? Thank you. 19 00:01:11,949 --> 00:01:16,749 we will now play the mayor's opening message. 20 00:01:18,622 --> 00:01:21,292 92 good evening, ladies and gentlemen. 21 00:01:21,292 --> 00:01:24,695 we appreciate your attendance and thank you for joining us 22 00:01:24,695 --> 00:01:28,233 tonight. 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It is essential that attendeesed 73 00:04:17,134 --> 00:04:19,336 adhere to heez rules of procedure to ensure productive 74 00:04:19,336 --> 00:04:25,143 meetings that serve both the public and the city commission. 75 00:04:25,143 --> 00:04:27,678 thank you for your cawpgz and understanding -- cooperation and 76 00:04:27,678 --> 00:04:28,747 understanding. >> mayor: okay, before we get to 77 00:04:28,747 --> 00:04:31,282 the order of business, I want to welcome everyone. 78 00:04:31,282 --> 00:04:34,485 it's really nice to see so many people in the audience. 79 00:04:34,485 --> 00:04:36,754 I want to thank you for coming. I want to re mind you in 80 00:04:36,754 --> 00:04:41,225 addition to the three-minute rule and a make sure you sign 81 00:04:41,225 --> 00:04:45,363 for any item to speak, this room is designed in a way that we can 82 00:04:45,363 --> 00:04:47,833 hear all conversations up here, so even if you're in the back we 83 00:04:47,833 --> 00:04:52,436 can hear your conversations, so kindly if you do need to speak 84 00:04:52,436 --> 00:04:54,439 to your neighbor please do so outside because it's very 85 00:04:54,439 --> 00:04:58,420 disruptive for us up here. Okay, thank you. 86 00:04:58,420 --> 00:04:59,110 mauricio, changes to the agenda. 87 00:04:59,110 --> 00:05:02,212 >> yes, we have a couple of changes to tonight's agenda. 88 00:05:02,212 --> 00:05:04,782 the first one is additional information has been provided 89 00:05:04,782 --> 00:05:09,582 for item 9a, which is the resolution awarding. 90 00:05:18,796 --> 00:05:24,489 item 9a was a resolution -- 9i was a sublease agreement with 91 00:05:24,489 --> 00:05:26,910 the sunny isles beach jewish community center. 92 00:05:26,910 --> 00:05:30,280 item 9j has been revised and a resolution, the resolution 93 00:05:30,280 --> 00:05:33,965 specifically has been revised, and item 9k has been added on, 94 00:05:33,965 --> 00:05:38,765 which is a resolution adopting the 2025 through 2030 miami-dade 95 00:05:39,504 --> 00:05:41,904 county local mitigation strategy. 96 00:05:41,907 --> 00:05:43,642 >> and are we combining g and h? 97 00:05:43,642 --> 00:05:45,510 >> yes, we are. >> mayor: okay. 98 00:05:45,510 --> 00:05:46,178 great. Wonderful. 99 00:05:46,178 --> 00:05:50,181 thank you. Do woo need to vote on -- 100 00:05:50,181 --> 00:05:51,449 >> make a motion to approve those changes. 101 00:05:51,449 --> 00:05:53,952 >> mayor: can I get a motion? >> motion. 102 00:05:53,952 --> 00:05:55,787 >> second. >> all in favor? 103 00:05:55,787 --> 00:05:57,522 thank you. Okay. 104 00:05:57,522 --> 00:06:03,522 so now the first item is ordinances for first reading. 105 00:06:04,996 --> 00:06:12,796 6a and I apologize, give me one second, I just lost my things. 106 00:06:12,938 --> 00:06:15,407 6a is an ordinance of the city commission of the city of sunny 107 00:06:15,407 --> 00:06:19,100 isles beach, florida, amending chapter 256 of the code of 108 00:06:19,100 --> 00:06:25,610 ordinances of the city of sunny isles beach article v, section 109 00:06:26,284 --> 00:06:30,484 256-37, entitled definitions, rules and regulations for 110 00:06:31,790 --> 00:06:35,160 operation, section 233-8 entitled penalties for offenses 111 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,560 and 256-39, entitled enforcement. 112 00:06:37,862 --> 00:06:40,498 to create and provide regulations for the use of 113 00:06:40,498 --> 00:06:43,301 electric bicycles within the city's jurisdiction. 114 00:06:43,301 --> 00:06:45,904 providing for repealing, severability, codification, and 115 00:06:45,904 --> 00:06:47,773 an effective date. >> mayor: okay, mr. City 116 00:06:47,773 --> 00:06:51,373 manager? >> mayor, vice mayor, members of 117 00:06:51,810 --> 00:06:53,178 the commission. We're bringing this forward in 118 00:06:53,178 --> 00:06:59,178 response to your request to revise and update our bicycle 119 00:06:59,818 --> 00:07:04,180 ordinance to include specific regulations regarding e-bikes. 120 00:07:05,790 --> 00:07:10,590 >> mayor: okay. Do we have any public speakers? 121 00:07:11,463 --> 00:07:13,732 >> we do. >> mayor: okay. 122 00:07:13,732 --> 00:07:17,332 >> stephen hirsch. >> good evening, stephen hirsch, 123 00:07:17,402 --> 00:07:21,602 17201 collins: I support this ordinance that's amending 124 00:07:23,541 --> 00:07:27,413 chapter 256 relating to promoting pedestrian safety in 125 00:07:27,413 --> 00:07:31,750 our sidewalks. I think it's a great follow-up 126 00:07:31,750 --> 00:07:35,350 to the earlier ordinance regarding scooters. 127 00:07:36,287 --> 00:07:40,225 however we must note this will likely increase the amount of 128 00:07:40,225 --> 00:07:43,427 bicycles albeit motorized bicycles on the right lane of 129 00:07:43,427 --> 00:07:47,270 collins and sunny isles beach boulevard. 130 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:54,239 that led me to look at the 236-page, 2016 sunny isles beach 131 00:07:54,239 --> 00:07:59,911 master plan to see what if any provisions could be affected by 132 00:07:59,911 --> 00:08:04,711 this, albeit motorized bicycles on our main arteries. 133 00:08:04,916 --> 00:08:10,955 after reading the report it was evident to me that the 2016 134 00:08:10,955 --> 00:08:13,591 study where survey times are over 10 years old needs to be 135 00:08:13,591 --> 00:08:17,791 updated for several reasons. Population growth has 136 00:08:19,196 --> 00:08:23,268 substantially increased traffic demand and are well beyond the 137 00:08:23,268 --> 00:08:26,868 original projections. The report predates e-scooters, 138 00:08:28,473 --> 00:08:33,273 micromobility devices, app-based on demand transit demands such 139 00:08:36,881 --> 00:08:40,752 as ubers, lyfts, and the report relied on traffic counts and 140 00:08:40,752 --> 00:08:46,152 patterns from approximately 2014 through 2015 as any of us speak 141 00:08:51,162 --> 00:08:53,965 with residents of sunny isles beach and ask what are the major 142 00:08:53,965 --> 00:08:57,369 downsides to the quality afflife in our city, traffic always 143 00:08:57,369 --> 00:09:04,410 seems to be near the top if not at the top of the rist. 144 00:09:04,410 --> 00:09:08,847 as the next logical step after creating pedestrian safety for 145 00:09:08,847 --> 00:09:12,450 micromobility devices, I suggest the commission -- I suggest to 146 00:09:12,450 --> 00:09:17,722 the commission that maybe it's time to take and revisit our 147 00:09:17,722 --> 00:09:22,460 outdated transportation master plan sunny isles beach has 148 00:09:22,460 --> 00:09:26,660 changed dramatically since 2016 with increased development, new 149 00:09:27,799 --> 00:09:31,399 transportation technologies, and evolving pedestrian safety 150 00:09:33,605 --> 00:09:35,473 concerns. Our transportation plan should 151 00:09:35,473 --> 00:09:39,944 be updated using current data so that any future investments that 152 00:09:39,944 --> 00:09:45,282 we need to make regarding traffic flow, traffic safety, 153 00:09:45,282 --> 00:09:50,488 pe paid safety are based on today -- pedestrian safety are 154 00:09:50,488 --> 00:09:52,623 based on today's realities and not yesterday's assumptions. 155 00:09:52,623 --> 00:09:54,358 thank you very much for allowing me to talk. 156 00:09:54,358 --> 00:09:55,493 >> mayor: thank you. Any other speakers? 157 00:09:55,493 --> 00:09:57,896 >> no further speakers. >> mayor: okay. 158 00:09:57,896 --> 00:10:01,767 I'll take comments or questions commissioner joseph would you 159 00:10:01,767 --> 00:10:06,567 like to start? >> just my idea originally was 160 00:10:07,171 --> 00:10:11,971 to ban e-scooters and e-biked in sunny isles. 161 00:10:13,244 --> 00:10:19,917 we really don't have a safe provision for them to be in the 162 00:10:19,917 --> 00:10:20,852 streets. They're absolutely not safe on 163 00:10:20,852 --> 00:10:27,452 the sidewalks, and and, regard for that is the safety of 164 00:10:28,893 --> 00:10:34,893 residents in the city. We have scooters now for riders 165 00:10:35,670 --> 00:10:41,667 on the 16 off the streets, which have made a big difference. 166 00:10:47,611 --> 00:10:50,348 we will see how things progress but right now our streets are 167 00:10:50,348 --> 00:10:52,550 somewhat safer and we will see what happens in the near 168 00:10:52,550 --> 00:10:55,953 future. We can always come back and make 169 00:10:55,953 --> 00:10:58,953 our policies stronger as necessary. 170 00:11:08,166 --> 00:11:11,102 >> mayor: vice mayor? >> I support this obviously. 171 00:11:11,102 --> 00:11:14,406 but I was hoping -- hoping, and I don't mean to catch anybody 172 00:11:14,406 --> 00:11:18,109 off guard, but if you have the information off the top of your 173 00:11:18,109 --> 00:11:23,647 head, I know that we started the enforcement or the warning 174 00:11:23,647 --> 00:11:27,786 period, and I liked one of the facebook posts I saw that on 175 00:11:27,786 --> 00:11:34,278 that first day you didn't have to open the warning -- you know 176 00:11:34,278 --> 00:11:38,282 the warning book. So I was just wondering how it's 177 00:11:38,282 --> 00:11:42,620 looking. If you have any input on that. 178 00:11:42,620 --> 00:11:47,958 >> to date both pd and code have reported that they've had zero 179 00:11:47,958 --> 00:11:50,958 violations. >> that is great news. 180 00:11:51,161 --> 00:11:54,161 >> okay. Anyway, that it's all. 181 00:11:54,231 --> 00:11:56,500 >> mayor: okay. With that I'll take a motion? 182 00:11:56,500 --> 00:12:00,100 >> I'll make a motion. >> I'll second. 183 00:12:00,371 --> 00:12:02,771 >> mayor: mauricio? >> commissioner joseph? 184 00:12:02,973 --> 00:12:04,641 >> yes. >> commissioner lama. 185 00:12:04,641 --> 00:12:06,577 >> yes. >> commissioner stuyvesant. 186 00:12:06,577 --> 00:12:08,913 >> yes. >> vice mayor viscarra. 187 00:12:08,913 --> 00:12:10,781 >> yes. >> mayor svechin? 188 00:12:10,781 --> 00:12:12,850 >> the ordinance passes on first reading, second reading will be 189 00:12:12,850 --> 00:12:16,187 scheduled for july. >> okay, next item, please. 190 00:12:16,187 --> 00:12:23,987 >> next item is 8a, which is an ordinance of the city of sunny 191 00:12:30,601 --> 00:12:35,401 isles beach, florida, amending chapter 265 article ii section 192 00:12:35,673 --> 00:12:41,730 265-5 init titled definitions and article v, section 265-17 193 00:12:41,545 --> 00:12:44,849 entitled subdivision plat approval of the code of 194 00:12:44,849 --> 00:12:45,951 orordinances of the city of sunny isles beach. 195 00:12:45,951 --> 00:12:50,151 in accordance with the requirements of section 177.071 196 00:12:50,287 --> 00:12:55,687 of the florida statutes as amended by senate bill 784, 197 00:12:56,293 --> 00:12:59,830 20005, and to align with certain procedures in chapter 28 of the 198 00:12:59,830 --> 00:13:02,566 miami-dade code of ordinances providing for repealer, 199 00:13:02,566 --> 00:13:05,902 severability, codification, and an effective date. 200 00:13:05,902 --> 00:13:09,440 >> thank you. >> good evening, mayor, vice 201 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,843 mayor, commissioners. This is second reading of our 202 00:13:12,843 --> 00:13:14,711 ordinance related to the platting procedures in the land 203 00:13:14,711 --> 00:13:18,448 development regulations. Just as a quick refreshther 204 00:13:18,448 --> 00:13:20,984 purpose of this ordinance is to come into compliance with state 205 00:13:20,984 --> 00:13:25,784 legislation that passed in 2025 that requires all municipalities 206 00:13:26,589 --> 00:13:28,659 and counties to administratively approve plats with no further 207 00:13:28,659 --> 00:13:32,859 action or approval by the governing body. 208 00:13:33,330 --> 00:13:35,766 as the commission requested last month a line has been added to 209 00:13:35,766 --> 00:13:41,710 the ordinance which states the city manager shall for 210 00:13:41,710 --> 00:13:43,273 informational purposes only submit a written report to the 211 00:13:43,273 --> 00:13:46,143 city commission advising of any plat approval, approval with 212 00:13:46,143 --> 00:13:49,746 conditions, or denial. And that's added in two places 213 00:13:49,746 --> 00:13:53,216 in the ordinance, once for subdivisions, and also for 214 00:13:53,216 --> 00:13:54,751 waiver of plats. >> mayor: thank you. 215 00:13:54,751 --> 00:13:57,354 are there public speakers? >> no, ma'am. 216 00:13:57,354 --> 00:13:58,555 >> all right. Are there questions or comments 217 00:13:58,555 --> 00:13:59,756 from the commission? >> yes. 218 00:13:59,756 --> 00:14:01,692 >> mayor: go ahead, commissioner stuyvesant. 219 00:14:01,692 --> 00:14:05,295 >> well this was not the direction that was given. 220 00:14:05,295 --> 00:14:08,365 to be informed after the application gets approved, 221 00:14:08,365 --> 00:14:11,368 what's the point? So we said that we wanted to 222 00:14:11,368 --> 00:14:14,968 know when this application was submitted. 223 00:14:17,441 --> 00:14:19,576 so I will make a motion to modify again exactly the same 224 00:14:19,576 --> 00:14:22,512 language that it was recommended, with the difference 225 00:14:22,512 --> 00:14:27,312 the city manager shall for informational purposes only 226 00:14:28,318 --> 00:14:31,988 submit a written report to the city commission advising of any 227 00:14:31,988 --> 00:14:35,588 plat, free plat or modification application. 228 00:14:39,330 --> 00:14:42,132 the second thing on the site, the city commission shall for 229 00:14:42,132 --> 00:14:44,601 informational purposes only submit a written report to the 230 00:14:44,601 --> 00:14:50,601 city commission advising of any waiver of plat application we 231 00:14:55,112 --> 00:14:57,414 had a discussion and the direction was very simple. 232 00:14:57,414 --> 00:14:58,849 we want to be informed. This is administrative. 233 00:14:58,849 --> 00:15:00,818 we cannot do anything. We cannot interfere, so the only 234 00:15:00,818 --> 00:15:06,218 thing we need to know is to be informed. 235 00:15:06,724 --> 00:15:09,250 we feed to be informed after the application gets submitted, not 236 00:15:09,250 --> 00:15:12,763 after it guess approved. >> mayor: before I take a 237 00:15:12,763 --> 00:15:15,310 motion,x a second to your motion, can I get clarification 238 00:15:15,310 --> 00:15:17,434 from the city attorney because we addressed this during agenda 239 00:15:17,434 --> 00:15:19,369 review. >> right, as we discussed on 240 00:15:19,369 --> 00:15:22,840 tuesday at the workshop in looking back at the statute, you 241 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,642 as a governing body cannot be involved in any way, shape, or 242 00:15:25,642 --> 00:15:30,713 form in the platting process. The language that was requested 243 00:15:30,713 --> 00:15:35,719 by implication involves you and inserts you into the process. 244 00:15:35,719 --> 00:15:37,388 it screams interference. If there is a difference between 245 00:15:37,388 --> 00:15:43,388 going when it's applied for versus when it's approved it 246 00:15:44,261 --> 00:15:47,263 points directly to interfeerps, whether it be indirect inference 247 00:15:47,263 --> 00:15:50,267 or direct interference if you have that in your code anybody 248 00:15:50,267 --> 00:15:52,135 challenging it would have that to work with. 249 00:15:52,135 --> 00:15:55,672 so again to keep in the spirit of the statute you are not 250 00:15:55,672 --> 00:15:58,275 involved in the process at all. It should be after the fact. 251 00:15:58,275 --> 00:15:58,942 >> mayor: okay. Thank you. 252 00:15:58,942 --> 00:16:02,146 >> mayor: there is a motion on the table. 253 00:16:02,146 --> 00:16:05,150 >> again, that is guessing somebody is going to interfere 254 00:16:05,150 --> 00:16:07,484 because that's not what it says. 255 00:16:07,484 --> 00:16:09,954 plus we give the direction, you can give your recommendation, 256 00:16:09,954 --> 00:16:11,890 but we are the legislative body. 257 00:16:11,890 --> 00:16:14,891 we are the ones who decide we're voting for this. 258 00:16:14,891 --> 00:16:21,898 and that interference claim look for it in the status, that's an 259 00:16:21,898 --> 00:16:23,500 interpretation. That is not there. 260 00:16:23,500 --> 00:16:26,169 so -- you are assuming that by we knowing about this we are 261 00:16:26,169 --> 00:16:28,772 going to do something with that information. 262 00:16:28,772 --> 00:16:31,842 and that's not the spirit of this. 263 00:16:31,842 --> 00:16:38,715 so, it was taken from us, the ability of the power to vote for 264 00:16:38,715 --> 00:16:42,719 that, for that application. It wasn't taken for us. 265 00:16:42,719 --> 00:16:50,519 the ability to get informed, so like I said, we need to be 266 00:16:51,261 --> 00:16:55,465 informed when the application gets submitted ignot, not 267 00:16:55,465 --> 00:16:57,401 after it got approved that was the specific direction we gave 268 00:16:57,401 --> 00:17:00,403 in the last commission meeting. >> mayor: okay, is there a 269 00:17:00,403 --> 00:17:03,403 second to commissioner stuyvesant's motion? 270 00:17:05,275 --> 00:17:07,444 okay, so motion dies. We're back on the original 271 00:17:07,444 --> 00:17:10,213 motion or rather I don't have a motion yet. 272 00:17:10,213 --> 00:17:16,813 so would anyone like to add anything or make a motion? 273 00:17:19,689 --> 00:17:22,920 >> can I get a motion for this item? 274 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:23,930 second? Mauricio? 275 00:17:23,930 --> 00:17:25,930 >> commissioner lama. >> yes. 276 00:17:26,897 --> 00:17:28,632 >> commissioner stuyvesant. >> . 277 00:17:28,632 --> 00:17:30,167 >> no. >> vice mayor viscarra. 278 00:17:30,167 --> 00:17:32,369 >> I'm a no because I don't think the language should've 279 00:17:32,369 --> 00:17:35,706 been added to begin with. I liked it the way it was last 280 00:17:35,706 --> 00:17:38,106 month, so. >> commissioner joseph. 281 00:17:39,910 --> 00:17:41,910 >> okay. >> no. 282 00:17:47,670 --> 00:17:49,690 >> mayor svechin. >> the ordinance fails on second 283 00:17:49,690 --> 00:17:51,338 reading 2-3. >> mayor: okay so can you 284 00:17:51,338 --> 00:17:55,800 clarify what's going -- >> well, by florida statute, you 285 00:17:55,800 --> 00:18:01,150 have to, you have to pass an ordinance in this regard. 286 00:18:01,150 --> 00:18:05,753 >> mayor: so would you like to make a motion, commissioner 287 00:18:05,753 --> 00:18:07,788 viscarra. >> I would like to make a motion 288 00:18:07,788 --> 00:18:10,157 to remove the language we added last month. 289 00:18:10,157 --> 00:18:12,225 >> mayor: can you remind me please what the language was for 290 00:18:12,225 --> 00:18:14,161 the record? >> the language says, as 291 00:18:14,161 --> 00:18:17,832 currently written, the city manager shall for informational 292 00:18:17,832 --> 00:18:21,635 purposes only submit a written report to the city commission 293 00:18:21,635 --> 00:18:25,372 advising of any plat approval, approval with conditions, or 294 00:18:25,372 --> 00:18:28,972 denials. >> mayor: okay, is there a 295 00:18:29,843 --> 00:18:31,779 second to vice mayor's motion? We have to pass something. 296 00:18:31,779 --> 00:18:35,449 >> well, if there is no second I will change my vote or I'll, you 297 00:18:35,449 --> 00:18:37,510 know, I'll reconsider the vote or whatever. 298 00:18:37,510 --> 00:18:39,720 >> okay, hold on. Hold on. 299 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:43,570 so if we go back, may I, please? 300 00:18:43,570 --> 00:18:46,993 if we go back to the original language, what are the 301 00:18:46,993 --> 00:18:48,529 implications? >> which original language? 302 00:18:48,529 --> 00:18:51,798 >> no, just means that the manager would not need to advise 303 00:18:51,798 --> 00:18:52,932 us. That's the difference. 304 00:18:52,932 --> 00:18:57,732 so, so vice mayor. >> so what are we . 305 00:19:05,278 --> 00:19:06,613 >> vice mayor if you could clarify. 306 00:19:06,613 --> 00:19:08,150 >> the way it was originally presented to us, this language 307 00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:13,153 about the city manager was added last, at the last meeting. 308 00:19:13,153 --> 00:19:14,880 >> correct. >> and I don't think it's 309 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:16,758 necessary. I think we get the information 310 00:19:16,758 --> 00:19:19,759 if there is something we want to know, we have the monthly 311 00:19:19,759 --> 00:19:25,633 reports, I feel like adding -- it's not standard language and I 312 00:19:25,633 --> 00:19:28,435 don't think it belongs there. I don't -- you know if I have to 313 00:19:28,435 --> 00:19:31,572 change my vote, I will. We're newt going to be without 314 00:19:31,572 --> 00:19:34,675 compliance -- not going to be without compliance but I really 315 00:19:34,675 --> 00:19:36,110 think it should just not be there. 316 00:19:36,110 --> 00:19:37,978 >> mayor: all right so there is -- is there -- let's try this 317 00:19:37,978 --> 00:19:41,480 again so because there wasn't a little bit of confusion. 318 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,451 so vice mayor made a motion to go back to the original which 319 00:19:44,451 --> 00:19:50,324 did not have the language of the manager having to inform the 320 00:19:50,324 --> 00:19:51,992 commission, specifically of a change. 321 00:19:51,992 --> 00:19:58,592 is there a second? If we can go back to the 322 00:20:03,370 --> 00:20:04,604 original? >> procedurally, we would need 323 00:20:04,604 --> 00:20:07,675 to reconsider this and one of the members of the commission 324 00:20:07,675 --> 00:20:11,812 that voted against, in this case vice mayor to reconsider this 325 00:20:11,812 --> 00:20:15,148 item, and then make the motion that she wishes. 326 00:20:15,148 --> 00:20:17,160 all right. >> mayor: okay. 327 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:21,216 >> so motion to reconsider. >> mayor: as written. 328 00:20:21,354 --> 00:20:25,492 >> yes as written today. >> mayor: today, yes. 329 00:20:25,492 --> 00:20:28,762 >> and the second for that motion. 330 00:20:28,762 --> 00:20:30,564 >> second. >> mayor: okay. 331 00:20:30,564 --> 00:20:32,964 >> all in favor? >> aye. 332 00:20:36,236 --> 00:20:38,572 >> why are we considering the motion as is, the resolution as 333 00:20:38,572 --> 00:20:41,307 written today. >> mayor: all right, now I need 334 00:20:41,307 --> 00:20:44,307 a motion for that. >> second. 335 00:20:44,377 --> 00:20:48,577 >> mayor: all right, mauricio. >> okay, commissioner lama. 336 00:20:49,582 --> 00:20:51,582 >> yes. >> commissioner stuyvesant. 337 00:20:53,853 --> 00:20:56,253 >> no. >> vice mayor viscarra. 338 00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:58,390 >> yes. >> commissioner joseph. 339 00:20:58,992 --> 00:21:00,594 >> no. >> mayor svechin. 340 00:21:00,594 --> 00:21:03,630 >> yes. >> the ordinance is adopted 3-2 341 00:21:03,630 --> 00:21:06,733 as written tonight. >> mayor: all right, next item, 342 00:21:06,733 --> 00:21:09,733 please. >> next item is 9a, 343 00:21:11,738 --> 00:21:13,540 resolutions. A resolution awarding request 344 00:21:13,540 --> 00:21:19,540 for proposal number 26-04012 and approving an agreement with all 345 00:21:19,679 --> 00:21:23,750 season imports doing business as the christmas palace to install 346 00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:25,885 holiday lights and decorations at various locations throughout 347 00:21:25,885 --> 00:21:29,485 the city. >> mayor: okay, mr. City 348 00:21:30,223 --> 00:21:31,559 manager. >> mayor, vice mayor, members of 349 00:21:31,559 --> 00:21:38,759 the commission, this is our bid that we put out approving with 350 00:21:40,768 --> 00:21:43,370 all season imports doing business as the christmas palace 351 00:21:43,370 --> 00:21:45,773 to install holiday lights and decorations at various locations 352 00:21:45,773 --> 00:21:49,977 throughout the city. >> mayor: okay, do we have 353 00:21:49,977 --> 00:21:51,178 public speakers? >> we do. 354 00:21:51,178 --> 00:21:53,578 david virgil. >> mayor: okay. 355 00:21:56,983 --> 00:22:01,654 >> mayor: again as a reminder to everyone, this your opportunity 356 00:22:01,654 --> 00:22:04,458 to speak up. >> my name is david virgil. 357 00:22:04,458 --> 00:22:08,995 my address is 17500 -- I just want to say the renderings of 358 00:22:08,995 --> 00:22:13,660 the new holiday lights look amazing, in my opinion. 359 00:22:13,660 --> 00:22:17,670 it's great that there is a wide variety of colors to choose from 360 00:22:17,670 --> 00:22:22,900 as it appears in the packet. It shows red and green, blue and 361 00:22:22,900 --> 00:22:26,880 white, and also yellow, so in case anyone's controversy about 362 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,417 the colors, the city could choose different colors. 363 00:22:30,417 --> 00:22:35,155 there's also great coverage from the north end of 364 00:22:35,155 --> 00:22:37,624 the city to the south end of the city which is pretty great too. 365 00:22:37,624 --> 00:22:41,495 there is one thing I notice on page 30 of the pdf document, it 366 00:22:41,495 --> 00:22:47,367 shows that there is three palm trees at town center park, 367 00:22:47,367 --> 00:22:54,410 anything two fell down so maybe two sets of light may be an 368 00:22:54,410 --> 00:22:55,843 extra cost that is unnecessary at this time. 369 00:22:55,843 --> 00:22:58,243 so yeah. That's all. 370 00:22:58,445 --> 00:22:59,480 >> mayor: thank you. Any other speakers? 371 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,480 92 no, ma'am. >> mayor: all right. 372 00:23:03,517 --> 00:23:05,252 this is a hot topic. Are we going to put up the 373 00:23:05,252 --> 00:23:10,520 pictures on the screen? Do we have them? 374 00:23:12,126 --> 00:23:14,728 so who would like to start. This is a big conversation, 375 00:23:14,728 --> 00:23:18,928 commissioner stuyvesant would you like to start. 376 00:23:19,466 --> 00:23:21,868 who is ready to speak? >> I'll speak. 377 00:23:21,868 --> 00:23:26,668 >> mayor: go ahead. >> so I do like this. 378 00:23:28,750 --> 00:23:34,948 obviously I requested this. We do need to work a little bit 379 00:23:34,948 --> 00:23:38,952 more on the color palette, and then the nativity scene issue 380 00:23:38,952 --> 00:23:44,352 came up. So I think that we need a 381 00:23:44,892 --> 00:23:49,711 workshop to define how this is going to be structured and take 382 00:23:49,711 --> 00:23:53,311 place. Today we are talking about 383 00:24:02,323 --> 00:24:04,660 awarding of the contract that but those are my comments. 384 00:24:04,660 --> 00:24:06,327 >> mayor: okay, let the city manager answer and then 385 00:24:06,327 --> 00:24:07,396 commissioner stuyvesant, you can go. 386 00:24:07,396 --> 00:24:10,132 >> thank you, mayor. I just wanted to point out to 387 00:24:10,132 --> 00:24:15,204 commissioner lama's point that we have scheduled workshop to 388 00:24:15,204 --> 00:24:18,804 discuss this further. >> commissioner stuyvesant, go 389 00:24:22,344 --> 00:24:23,211 ahead. >> that's very interesting 390 00:24:23,211 --> 00:24:28,617 because I have here addendums and it was very specific, even 391 00:24:28,617 --> 00:24:32,954 the instruction to all the bidders that the select 392 00:24:32,954 --> 00:24:37,754 contractor shall provide holiday lighting in neutral nonholiday 393 00:24:38,226 --> 00:24:42,431 specific colors. That is exactly what it was in 394 00:24:42,431 --> 00:24:47,169 the addendum number 3 are the questions and answers to all the 395 00:24:47,169 --> 00:24:49,104 plan holders. It says that several times. 396 00:24:49,104 --> 00:24:53,904 the selected contractor shall provide holiday lighting in 397 00:24:53,942 --> 00:24:56,342 neutral nonholiday specific colors. 398 00:24:57,879 --> 00:25:00,114 to say it was going to have a workshop for this for the color 399 00:25:00,114 --> 00:25:05,387 theme when the color theme already is, it says it shall 400 00:25:05,387 --> 00:25:10,187 provide no holiday specific colors, that's even wors 401 00:25:10,392 --> 00:25:13,461 than being gaslight. Another thing it says very 402 00:25:13,461 --> 00:25:19,461 specific also during the four meetings they had, et cetera, 403 00:25:20,735 --> 00:25:26,735 that they must install a menorah but exclusive specifically the 404 00:25:31,813 --> 00:25:35,349 manger from the same display. It said that we cannot have it, 405 00:25:35,349 --> 00:25:40,889 nativity even one of the vendors provided in his offer, and it 406 00:25:40,889 --> 00:25:45,890 was excluded. So again, no nativity, nothing 407 00:25:47,950 --> 00:25:51,895 for one group and everything for another group. 408 00:25:54,503 --> 00:25:57,380 they hads we are going to be discussing the color palette. 409 00:25:57,380 --> 00:25:59,441 how is that possible whenware going to approve right now a 410 00:25:59,441 --> 00:26:01,376 contract that says it cannot be multicolor. 411 00:26:01,376 --> 00:26:04,976 I have that question, city manager. 412 00:26:12,253 --> 00:26:13,521 >> mayor: go ahead, city manager. 413 00:26:13,521 --> 00:26:16,258 >> we had to provide some general outlines in order to get 414 00:26:16,258 --> 00:26:19,861 the bid done, because time is of the essence. 415 00:26:19,861 --> 00:26:24,332 so in terms of substituting one light for another or the 416 00:26:24,332 --> 00:26:29,204 possibility of adding or moving let's say a nativity scene would 417 00:26:29,204 --> 00:26:32,340 be up to the commission, but it certainly falls within our 418 00:26:32,340 --> 00:26:35,877 purview of however we direct the vendor. 419 00:26:35,877 --> 00:26:37,412 >> mayor: okay. Go ahead, commissioner joseph. 420 00:26:37,412 --> 00:26:40,950 >> and that's how we constantly get upcharged. 421 00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:44,552 I mean the whole process is backwards, it just make no sense 422 00:26:44,552 --> 00:26:48,356 to me and we do it year after year. 423 00:26:48,356 --> 00:26:50,692 we should be having the, this workshop. 424 00:26:50,692 --> 00:26:53,762 we should be having it in march or april. 425 00:26:53,762 --> 00:26:57,899 not now. It just makes no sense. 426 00:26:57,899 --> 00:27:00,502 >> mayor: okay. Just want to give others an 427 00:27:00,502 --> 00:27:05,902 opportunity, vice mayor did you want to add anything? 428 00:27:06,740 --> 00:27:08,577 >> I recall having, sitting up here and having a discussion 429 00:27:08,577 --> 00:27:11,980 about it so I don't think -- I don't understand the outrage. 430 00:27:11,980 --> 00:27:17,185 this is, these are things we talked about, so and we should 431 00:27:17,185 --> 00:27:21,322 be having a nativity scene. >> vice mayor has the floor. 432 00:27:21,322 --> 00:27:23,125 >> and we talked about that. And we talked about that. 433 00:27:23,125 --> 00:27:26,527 just because it gets talked about doesn't mean there's 434 00:27:26,527 --> 00:27:27,929 consensus. Just because it's discussed 435 00:27:27,929 --> 00:27:30,867 doesn't mean it was agreed upon so I don't want to go down this 436 00:27:30,867 --> 00:27:33,868 rabbit hole and be here for an hour if you guys want to really 437 00:27:33,868 --> 00:27:37,672 dig into the details, we can have a work shop about the 438 00:27:37,672 --> 00:27:40,408 details, but as far as the contract is concerned, I'm okay 439 00:27:40,408 --> 00:27:42,808 with it. >> mayor: okay. 440 00:27:44,212 --> 00:27:47,348 >> may I say something? >> mayor: please, go ahead. 441 00:27:47,348 --> 00:27:50,180 >> so I think the color and what weaz presented is an improvement 442 00:27:50,180 --> 00:27:53,154 from last year. I still think it needs to be 443 00:27:53,154 --> 00:27:56,925 worked on a little but more. Me personally I like to see some 444 00:27:56,925 --> 00:28:01,564 red and green, which I'm not seeing in this color palette, 445 00:28:01,564 --> 00:28:06,768 these schematics. So I like to see thatt and 446 00:28:06,768 --> 00:28:09,971 obviously we need to talk about the nativity scene as well. 447 00:28:09,971 --> 00:28:14,643 you know I know that there is some legal impediments or 448 00:28:14,643 --> 00:28:19,781 certain laws, but I think we should be discussing that in the 449 00:28:19,781 --> 00:28:22,781 workshop as well. That's it. 450 00:28:26,923 --> 00:28:29,458 we want to streamline and simplify it, and I think we can 451 00:28:29,458 --> 00:28:33,658 work on the color pallettes very easily. 452 00:28:37,650 --> 00:28:41,300 >> we have a red one, the same one, golden one, the same one, 453 00:28:41,300 --> 00:28:43,271 silver one, so -- >> I would go with the red one. 454 00:28:43,271 --> 00:28:46,207 we take a vote. >> that's the point. 455 00:28:46,207 --> 00:28:47,477 that's -- you are not going to see this again. 456 00:28:47,477 --> 00:28:50,212 you know? And also, the issue that we have 457 00:28:50,212 --> 00:28:54,549 here with this bidding process is that the scope of work was 458 00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:58,619 completely open. It was not a line of prices. 459 00:28:58,619 --> 00:29:04,492 so you can not compare when there were not bidding with a 460 00:29:04,492 --> 00:29:06,895 price. So anybody, that they could 461 00:29:06,895 --> 00:29:10,232 submit their own design -- no. >> our price that we were -- 462 00:29:10,232 --> 00:29:11,700 >> issments commissioner joseph. 463 00:29:11,700 --> 00:29:13,101 commissioner stuyvesant has the floor. 464 00:29:13,101 --> 00:29:15,837 >> let me read. So what is the competitive 465 00:29:15,837 --> 00:29:18,837 bidding? Genuine price competition m 466 00:29:19,841 --> 00:29:21,844 among comparable fix scope bids. 467 00:29:21,844 --> 00:29:24,113 here we didn't have a fixed scope. 468 00:29:24,113 --> 00:29:28,249 anybody has to submit whatever they wanted. 469 00:29:28,249 --> 00:29:33,388 so even because I saw the four meetings that the committee had 470 00:29:33,388 --> 00:29:35,724 to present thesis recommendation -- these 471 00:29:35,724 --> 00:29:38,593 recommendation, they say themselves our employees are 472 00:29:38,593 --> 00:29:41,730 staff that they could not compare. 473 00:29:41,730 --> 00:29:45,330 I'm quoting. Naithey could not compare 474 00:29:46,134 --> 00:29:48,603 the four bids. They were different. 475 00:29:48,603 --> 00:29:50,500 they were different line items. Different prices. 476 00:29:50,500 --> 00:29:56,925 so we didn't ask them to say let's quote per christmas tree. 477 00:29:56,925 --> 00:30:00,525 tyci manager. >> city question why the 478 00:30:02,196 --> 00:30:03,897 lights were still off in golden shores? 479 00:30:03,897 --> 00:30:05,700 >> I was not aware of it. I'll find out. 480 00:30:05,700 --> 00:30:07,101 >> mayor: okay, thank you. All right. 481 00:30:07,101 --> 00:30:12,400 any other comments? >> oh, actually I do have one. 482 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,510 >> mayor: please, go ahead. >> so I had asked also prior to 483 00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:20,310 tuesday's agenda review regarding what is happening with 484 00:30:21,916 --> 00:30:25,786 the vendors at&t and breeze line regarding the fact that they're 485 00:30:25,786 --> 00:30:31,186 not installing fiber, which had been pulled across the 486 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:38,000 intercoastal and is at the bridge at golden shores waiting 487 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,867 to be installed but they're just not installing it. 488 00:30:39,867 --> 00:30:44,667 they're looking for additional funds from the city. 489 00:30:46,140 --> 00:30:47,742 >> mayor: deputy manager. >> I'm not aware of them getting 490 00:30:47,742 --> 00:30:48,876 any additional funds from the city. 491 00:30:48,876 --> 00:30:51,780 they have not expressed that to us. 492 00:30:51,780 --> 00:30:55,883 >> so what is the reason that we still have copper when it's 493 00:30:55,883 --> 00:30:57,552 obsolete. >> so a I told you I reached out 494 00:30:57,552 --> 00:31:02,900 to both at&t and breeze line just yesterday, breeze line got 495 00:31:02,900 --> 00:31:08,690 back to us, they are, I could not understand their response, 496 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:10,832 and I need to getter clarification but they said that 497 00:31:10,832 --> 00:31:17,432 they are using both fiber and copper depending on the cus 498 00:31:20,774 --> 00:31:23,110 customer. >> I was with breeze line they 499 00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:24,645 never offered the opportunity and they just came and 500 00:31:24,645 --> 00:31:27,480 undergrounded mine with copper and their service is on and 501 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,480 off. It's, it's actually still 502 00:31:30,385 --> 00:31:31,853 connected not to the underground. 503 00:31:31,853 --> 00:31:35,453 it's still connected to the overhead. 504 00:31:38,693 --> 00:31:43,464 so they are not being honest with you and we have paid them 505 00:31:43,464 --> 00:31:45,599 millions of dollars so we need follow-through with the city 506 00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:48,670 manager's osto not -- office to not just ride the wave but see 507 00:31:48,670 --> 00:31:52,870 what's happening and get this job completed. 508 00:31:54,208 --> 00:31:55,476 >> mayor: commissioner joseph, can you just clarify your 509 00:31:55,476 --> 00:31:57,945 request so that we can have a discussion? 510 00:31:57,945 --> 00:32:01,149 >> okay, so for next month I want a full follow-up on what 511 00:32:01,149 --> 00:32:07,880 the city manager's office is doing to hold these services to 512 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,293 task in order to have them explain why they're still 513 00:32:12,293 --> 00:32:14,762 installing copper and not installing fiber that everywhere 514 00:32:14,762 --> 00:32:19,562 else in the city has access to. >> mayor? 515 00:32:19,634 --> 00:32:24,434 >> they were supposed to actually, myself and jason, 516 00:32:24,571 --> 00:32:31,112 senator pizzo were promised by at&t and breeze line that fiber 517 00:32:31,112 --> 00:32:33,448 was going to be installed at no additional charge and they're 518 00:32:33,448 --> 00:32:35,850 just not doing it. >> mayor: okay, mr. City 519 00:32:35,850 --> 00:32:38,386 manager? >> we don't regulate at&t or 520 00:32:38,386 --> 00:32:42,123 breeze line. So I'm not sure what you would 521 00:32:42,123 --> 00:32:43,257 like -- >> this contract was signed with 522 00:32:43,257 --> 00:32:45,526 the city. The city signed the contract for 523 00:32:45,526 --> 00:32:49,864 for the installations. >> I'll have to look at that but 524 00:32:49,864 --> 00:32:52,199 we don't regulate -- we don't regulate. 525 00:32:52,199 --> 00:32:54,468 >> no, it's not. We don't regulate either one of 526 00:32:54,468 --> 00:32:56,137 those. >> mayor: mr. City attorney? 527 00:32:56,137 --> 00:32:58,339 >> if they are promising something that they're not 528 00:32:58,339 --> 00:33:01,542 delivering to you as a customer, or anyone as a customer, they're 529 00:33:01,542 --> 00:33:04,945 regulated by the public service commission. 530 00:33:04,945 --> 00:33:06,614 >> so we're paying millions of dollars for the undergrounding 531 00:33:06,614 --> 00:33:08,810 and we have -- >> we're not paying -- 532 00:33:08,810 --> 00:33:10,518 >> we have no oversight? >> we're not paying them any 533 00:33:10,518 --> 00:33:11,685 money. >> we haven't paid any millions 534 00:33:11,685 --> 00:33:15,885 of dollars for undergrounding? >> you're undergrounding conduit 535 00:33:16,900 --> 00:33:20,270 but they're -- that's between them and their customers. 536 00:33:20,270 --> 00:33:23,230 and to the extent that they're promising things to you as a 537 00:33:23,230 --> 00:33:26,367 customer, that they're not delivering on, that's regulated 538 00:33:26,367 --> 00:33:27,701 by the public service commission. 539 00:33:27,701 --> 00:33:32,506 >> so we installed conduit for certain services to use, 540 00:33:32,506 --> 00:33:34,506 correct? >> correct. 541 00:33:36,477 --> 00:33:39,680 >> mayor: and we -- so we had hot -- we had hot wire that 542 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:45,786 wanted to come in and install internet in golden shores, and 543 00:33:45,786 --> 00:33:49,856 for some -- so who was it that didn't allow them to use the -- 544 00:33:49,856 --> 00:33:53,600 >> if I recall correctly, hot wire did not want to participate 545 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:54,928 unless they had full participation from the 546 00:33:54,928 --> 00:33:56,930 neighbors, and they didn't. >> right, that's correct. 547 00:33:56,930 --> 00:34:00,734 >> so we don't regulate that. >> they didn't have the 548 00:34:00,734 --> 00:34:06,734 opportunity to, to even advocate to get opinions from the 549 00:34:07,740 --> 00:34:09,209 residents. I was never asked by hot wire if 550 00:34:09,209 --> 00:34:12,120 I wanted to have their service. >> mayor: well, commissioner 551 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,414 joseph, that's not up to us how they run their business. 552 00:34:14,414 --> 00:34:19,286 that's up to them. We wouldn't be contacting them 553 00:34:19,286 --> 00:34:22,624 and telling them what to do. >> mayor: so we own the conduit, 554 00:34:22,624 --> 00:34:24,624 correct? >> yes. 555 00:34:26,930 --> 00:34:29,830 >> we pay to have the conduit installed and we're allowing 556 00:34:29,830 --> 00:34:36,360 services to install their copper cable, which is obsolete, in our 557 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,573 conduit, without any say so as to what gets installed in that 558 00:34:39,573 --> 00:34:41,575 conduit? >> we don't regulate utilities 559 00:34:41,575 --> 00:34:46,179 the state of florida does. We can't, it's just like fp&l. 560 00:34:46,179 --> 00:34:49,783 they are, we're essentially preempted again, they are, they 561 00:34:49,783 --> 00:34:53,983 fall under the public service commission's jurisdiction. 562 00:34:53,987 --> 00:34:55,456 >> okay, so. >> if they're doing something 563 00:34:55,456 --> 00:34:59,994 they're not supposed to be doing and again a lot of it comes 564 00:34:59,994 --> 00:35:02,463 between the company and the customer what product they 565 00:35:02,463 --> 00:35:05,533 provide, and the city doesn't get involved in that. 566 00:35:05,533 --> 00:35:10,805 >> this was the city that signed the contract with fp&l and the 567 00:35:10,805 --> 00:35:16,205 services several years ago to install the services and 568 00:35:18,780 --> 00:35:21,815 unfortunately, from what I believe is wording similar to 569 00:35:21,815 --> 00:35:25,886 whatever is on the poles goes underground, without anyone 570 00:35:25,886 --> 00:35:31,692 having any foresight to -- or to do any research to understand 571 00:35:31,692 --> 00:35:37,920 that cable, that copper was obsolete or internet service, 572 00:35:38,699 --> 00:35:44,438 and that, that fiber which was already several years ago in use 573 00:35:44,438 --> 00:35:48,776 was the up and coming product for internet, and no one thought 574 00:35:48,776 --> 00:35:55,783 in this city to look out for the residents and have any forward 575 00:35:55,783 --> 00:36:01,388 thinking thought to say you must since we're paying so many 576 00:36:01,388 --> 00:36:03,857 millions, install fiber. Is that correct? 577 00:36:03,857 --> 00:36:06,544 >> mayor: but again, for clarification, as far as who the 578 00:36:06,544 --> 00:36:09,347 city is paying. >> well, that, first of all, 579 00:36:09,347 --> 00:36:11,615 that question should be directed to the manager. 580 00:36:11,615 --> 00:36:17,422 and two, my understanding is that we cannot dictate what 581 00:36:17,422 --> 00:36:20,422 these companies offer. >> so, no. 582 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,290 how many millions have, has the city paid to have the 583 00:36:25,290 --> 00:36:28,433 undergrounding work done? >> that I have to defer to the 584 00:36:28,433 --> 00:36:30,501 city manager. >> mayor: susan? 585 00:36:30,501 --> 00:36:33,838 >> we'll have to research that. Mayor, we're getting off topic. 586 00:36:33,838 --> 00:36:36,641 >> mayor: I understand. >> this number should be on the 587 00:36:36,641 --> 00:36:38,309 tip of your tongue. >> mayor: commissioner joseph, 588 00:36:38,309 --> 00:36:41,645 let's stick to the item on the agenda. 589 00:36:41,645 --> 00:36:43,581 so. >> no, but, no, because then we 590 00:36:43,581 --> 00:36:47,852 get to next month, and we still haven't gotten to the point, and 591 00:36:47,852 --> 00:36:52,520 these services, every resident, 200 something households in 592 00:36:54,192 --> 00:36:58,129 golden shores, are the orphan child of the city. 593 00:36:58,129 --> 00:37:03,334 everyone else in this city, every high rise, atlantic isle, 594 00:37:03,334 --> 00:37:06,938 everywhere, has fiber. Golden shores is the only area 595 00:37:06,938 --> 00:37:10,675 that there is no even hope except what are they saying for 596 00:37:10,675 --> 00:37:13,745 four years? Maybe they'll be installing the 597 00:37:13,745 --> 00:37:18,417 fiber that's right at the bridge on our side in golden shores, 598 00:37:18,417 --> 00:37:21,850 and they might get around to it in four years? 599 00:37:21,850 --> 00:37:23,822 that's totally unacceptable. >> mayor: I hear you. 600 00:37:23,822 --> 00:37:26,624 however, that's not the item on the agenda. 601 00:37:26,624 --> 00:37:30,940 >> well, I've made it --led y like to add this -- 602 00:37:30,940 --> 00:37:32,497 >> mayor: we're not. >> I make a motion to add this 603 00:37:32,497 --> 00:37:34,166 to the agenda. >> mayor: okay. 604 00:37:34,166 --> 00:37:39,771 we can't do that right now. >> can we make a motion? 605 00:37:39,771 --> 00:37:41,239 >> [off mic] >> I would like to add a 606 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:45,176 discussion as to the undergrounding in golden shores, 607 00:37:45,176 --> 00:37:50,715 and why it is not been followed up on by the city manager's 608 00:37:50,715 --> 00:37:55,520 office and we've just allowed them to ride the wave month 609 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,323 after month without accomplishing what they had said 610 00:37:58,323 --> 00:38:01,259 they would accomplish. >> who's they? 611 00:38:01,259 --> 00:38:05,864 >> the at&t and breeze line. We finally have completion 612 00:38:05,864 --> 00:38:10,469 except for one property for fp&l's undergrounding. 613 00:38:10,469 --> 00:38:14,272 and that's another issue that for another day if that doesn't 614 00:38:14,272 --> 00:38:18,142 get resolved that I have to bring up for one resident in 615 00:38:18,142 --> 00:38:21,780 golden shores that's been tortured with their electrical 616 00:38:21,780 --> 00:38:22,480 power. >> mayor: no, I understand. 617 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,170 I think that what you're asking for is not something that we can 618 00:38:26,170 --> 00:38:30,755 possibly even discuss today. >> well, I want to bring it to a 619 00:38:30,755 --> 00:38:35,492 head so that the city manager who's it's his duty with all the 620 00:38:35,492 --> 00:38:39,764 millions we've paid out for the undergrounding, to be aggressive 621 00:38:39,764 --> 00:38:45,764 in following up and holding these services, they're feet to 622 00:38:46,970 --> 00:38:50,508 the fireford to get the job -- fire in order to get the job 623 00:38:50,508 --> 00:38:52,176 done in the way it was promised. 624 00:38:52,176 --> 00:38:53,510 >> mayor: I understand that but the question that you're asking 625 00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:57,781 is not within the remit of the city manager as far as giving 626 00:38:57,781 --> 00:39:02,319 any sort of direction to a private utility. 627 00:39:02,319 --> 00:39:03,187 >> well,. >> mayor: is my point. 628 00:39:03,187 --> 00:39:05,122 >> we have the city attorney f. We have to bring suit against 629 00:39:05,122 --> 00:39:07,324 them, then that's what we should be doing. 630 00:39:07,324 --> 00:39:09,994 >> mayor: I understand but you must agree this is a very, very 631 00:39:09,994 --> 00:39:13,264 big scope of discussion that you're looking to -- 632 00:39:13,264 --> 00:39:15,660 >> month after month and there's never any -- 633 00:39:15,660 --> 00:39:16,601 >> mayor: I understand. How about this, why don't you 634 00:39:16,601 --> 00:39:19,710 work it through with the city attorney and the manager and 635 00:39:19,710 --> 00:39:22,206 bring it on for next month so that we're all clear and 636 00:39:22,206 --> 00:39:26,744 vaadvanced notice of what exactly you want to discuss. 637 00:39:26,744 --> 00:39:27,412 >>> great. >> mayor: okay. 638 00:39:27,412 --> 00:39:29,413 thank you. >> be ready. 639 00:39:29,413 --> 00:39:30,815 >> mayor: okay. We'll be ready. 640 00:39:30,815 --> 00:39:34,885 all right. I'll take a motion then? 641 00:39:34,885 --> 00:39:39,850 >> so moved. >> mayor: I need a second? 642 00:39:42,627 --> 00:39:44,627 >> no second. Okay. 643 00:39:45,696 --> 00:39:48,566 so what do we do in this instance? 644 00:39:48,566 --> 00:39:50,501 the item dies? >> remains. 645 00:39:50,501 --> 00:39:53,104 >> mayor: okay, status quo. Okay, next item. 646 00:39:53,104 --> 00:39:58,509 >> next item is 9d, a resolution approving an agreement with 647 00:39:58,509 --> 00:40:01,646 pipeline plumbing service of broward for as needed citywide 648 00:40:01,646 --> 00:40:04,582 plumbing and back flow repairs. >> mayor: okay. 649 00:40:04,582 --> 00:40:06,117 mr. City manager. >> mayor, vice mayor, members of 650 00:40:06,117 --> 00:40:09,854 the commission. This is an agreement with 651 00:40:09,854 --> 00:40:15,593 pipeline plumbing for as needed citywide plumbing and back flow 652 00:40:15,593 --> 00:40:16,393 repairs. >> mayor: okay. 653 00:40:16,393 --> 00:40:17,862 do we have any public speakers. >> no, ma'am. 654 00:40:17,862 --> 00:40:20,531 >> mayor: all right, I will take comments and questions from the 655 00:40:20,531 --> 00:40:22,666 commission. I will take a motion then. 656 00:40:22,666 --> 00:40:24,268 >> motion. >> need a second. 657 00:40:24,268 --> 00:40:26,137 >> second. >> all in favor? 658 00:40:26,137 --> 00:40:29,137 all right. Next item, please. 659 00:40:31,875 --> 00:40:35,747 >> 9e, is a resolution approving a 4th amendment to the 660 00:40:35,747 --> 00:40:39,947 agreement with universal protection service llc doing 661 00:40:39,950 --> 00:40:43,921 business as alight universal security services for armed 662 00:40:43,921 --> 00:40:46,157 security -- unarmed security guard services at government 663 00:40:46,157 --> 00:40:48,250 center. >> mayor: okay, mr. City 664 00:40:48,250 --> 00:40:49,627 manager. >> mayor, vice mayor, members of 665 00:40:49,627 --> 00:40:51,829 the commission. This is the company that 666 00:40:51,829 --> 00:40:54,499 provides security guard services at the government center 24 667 00:40:54,499 --> 00:40:56,000 hours a day. >> mayor: thank you. 668 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,236 do we have public speakers? >> no, ma'am. 669 00:40:58,236 --> 00:41:00,905 >> mayor: any comments from the commission? 670 00:41:00,905 --> 00:41:03,640 >> no. >> mayor: I'll take a motion, 671 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,640 please? >> so moved. 672 00:41:06,444 --> 00:41:08,312 >> mayor: I need a second? >> second. 673 00:41:08,312 --> 00:41:09,180 >> mayor: all in favor? Okay. 674 00:41:09,180 --> 00:41:12,918 next item, please. >> 9f is a resolution approving 675 00:41:12,918 --> 00:41:16,587 the issuance of a purchase order to cspi technology solutions for 676 00:41:16,587 --> 00:41:20,787 the purchase of uninterruptible power supply units. 677 00:41:22,326 --> 00:41:23,728 >> mayor: mr. City manager? >> mayor, vice mayor, members of 678 00:41:23,728 --> 00:41:28,528 the commission. This item is for backup power 679 00:41:30,968 --> 00:41:33,738 supply for I.t. >> mayor: all right, do we have 680 00:41:33,738 --> 00:41:35,874 any public speaking cards? >> no, ma'am. 681 00:41:35,874 --> 00:41:38,209 >> mayor: all right, you sure? >> yes. 682 00:41:38,209 --> 00:41:40,440 >> mayor: okay. I'll take a questions from the 683 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:41,612 commission. Go ahead, commissioner joseph. 684 00:41:41,612 --> 00:41:46,751 >> at the agenda review even though it's just tampingantatory 685 00:41:46,751 --> 00:41:50,888 to this -- tangbatory to this item I had asked regarding the 686 00:41:50,888 --> 00:41:53,891 solar panels on the city on city hall roof. 687 00:41:53,891 --> 00:42:00,298 is there any information that you have that I had requested? 688 00:42:00,298 --> 00:42:02,298 >> mayor? >> mayor: please. 689 00:42:02,767 --> 00:42:04,769 >> the solar panels we check with our I.t. Director, and 690 00:42:04,769 --> 00:42:08,969 would not be compatible for this use. 691 00:42:10,641 --> 00:42:12,877 >> no, I understand, but I had sent over information regarding 692 00:42:12,877 --> 00:42:13,994 different types of solar panels. 693 00:42:13,994 --> 00:42:17,997 I was asking what type of solar, solar panels do we have 694 00:42:17,997 --> 00:42:20,233 exactly? >> solar panels is a separate 695 00:42:20,233 --> 00:42:21,868 issue. And we're still gathering the 696 00:42:21,868 --> 00:42:26,668 information on that. >> I'm asking for brand, make 697 00:42:33,780 --> 00:42:36,283 and category, and efficiencies regarding the solar panels that 698 00:42:36,283 --> 00:42:43,483 are installed on the city hall roof, whether it was taken into 699 00:42:44,891 --> 00:42:50,897 account, the heat factor, and sun factor in sunny isles in 700 00:42:50,897 --> 00:42:54,233 south florida regarding the type of solar panels that were 701 00:42:54,233 --> 00:42:58,437 installed or was it just done willy-nilly like so many other 702 00:42:58,437 --> 00:43:03,837 things that we waste money on in this city. 703 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,444 >> mayor: okay. Anyone else? 704 00:43:07,914 --> 00:43:10,383 >> I would like that for next month, please. 705 00:43:10,383 --> 00:43:12,652 >> mayor: that could be done probably by email, your 706 00:43:12,652 --> 00:43:15,520 request. >> mayor: okay, okay. 707 00:43:17,724 --> 00:43:18,925 perfect. I need a motion. 708 00:43:18,925 --> 00:43:21,600 >> so moved. >> mayor: I need a second. 709 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,620 >> second. >> mayor: all in favor? 710 00:43:23,620 --> 00:43:26,620 all right. Next item, please. 711 00:43:26,266 --> 00:43:29,803 it's g and h combined. >> 9g is a resolution approving 712 00:43:29,803 --> 00:43:34,273 a use and occupancy agreement and addendum thereto with the 713 00:43:34,273 --> 00:43:35,408 florida department of transportation for public 714 00:43:35,408 --> 00:43:40,208 parking and other public purposes on parcel number 7756 715 00:43:41,948 --> 00:43:44,170 located at 500 sunny isles boulevard. 716 00:43:44,170 --> 00:43:48,822 19h is a resolution approving a use and occupancy agreement, and 717 00:43:48,822 --> 00:43:50,690 addendum thereto with the florida department of 718 00:43:50,690 --> 00:43:55,490 transportation for parcel number 3129 located at 500 sunny isles 719 00:43:55,728 --> 00:43:56,430 boulevard. >> mayor: okay. 720 00:43:56,430 --> 00:43:58,431 mr. City manager? >> mayor, vice mayor, members of 721 00:43:58,431 --> 00:44:02,735 the commission, these two parcels are near each other off 722 00:44:02,735 --> 00:44:06,539 of sunny isles boulevard and fdot owns these parcels. 723 00:44:06,539 --> 00:44:09,942 this enters into an agreement with fdot, so we can further 724 00:44:09,942 --> 00:44:13,379 develop and use those parcels. >> mayor: all right. 725 00:44:13,379 --> 00:44:16,449 mr. City clerk, do we have public speakers? 726 00:44:16,449 --> 00:44:18,584 okay I'll take comments from the commission. 727 00:44:18,584 --> 00:44:21,720 >> yeah, I have a question because here they make keeping 728 00:44:21,720 --> 00:44:27,120 reference to exhibit b. It says everything is about 729 00:44:27,860 --> 00:44:33,199 exhibit b or the map, et cetera, are but there is no exhibit b in 730 00:44:33,199 --> 00:44:38,738 any of the three items. >> so how can we vote if we 731 00:44:38,738 --> 00:44:45,338 don't the full information. Another thing is that it says as 732 00:44:46,746 --> 00:44:52,618 well that we need to do these so we can, we can sublease the 733 00:44:52,618 --> 00:44:54,553 property for the playground, et cetera. 734 00:44:54,553 --> 00:44:58,892 but now we don't even have the sublease portion being added to 735 00:44:58,892 --> 00:45:02,600 the agenda. So like I said, the exhibit b, 736 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:06,833 which is what it says the most important part, is not 737 00:45:06,833 --> 00:45:10,433 ininincluded anywhere. It just says draft. 738 00:45:17,110 --> 00:45:22,470 so I do believe we should defer this item until we have the full 739 00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:26,185 scope and all the information. >> sorry, which exhibit b are 740 00:45:26,185 --> 00:45:28,454 you referencing? To t 741 00:45:28,454 --> 00:45:30,323 >> three of them say exhibit b over and over. 742 00:45:30,323 --> 00:45:32,191 no not in the resolution, in the remands. 743 00:45:32,191 --> 00:45:33,526 >> mayor: what page is it? >> okay. 744 00:45:33,526 --> 00:45:35,795 let me go. >> it looks like it's at least 745 00:45:35,795 --> 00:45:42,395 one of them is 4d on page 2. >> I found 14 reference to 746 00:45:47,806 --> 00:45:51,811 exhibit b and it's nowhere. And that's a specific what is 747 00:45:51,811 --> 00:45:55,681 like the scope, the terms, et cetera. 748 00:45:55,681 --> 00:46:02,281 what it's supposed to be the okay, the residents state that 749 00:46:04,890 --> 00:46:10,290 fdot using occupancy agreement and addenda are appended hereto 750 00:46:11,230 --> 00:46:13,565 and incorporated as competent exhibit b but we don't have any 751 00:46:13,565 --> 00:46:18,365 exhibit b. And that's exactly about the use 752 00:46:18,904 --> 00:46:23,376 and o occupancy agreement. It says then later on that we 753 00:46:23,376 --> 00:46:26,579 acknowledge receipt -- we acknowledge provisions exhibit 754 00:46:26,579 --> 00:46:32,852 b, we don't have any exhibit b. >> I'm going to let the city 755 00:46:32,852 --> 00:46:38,252 attorney answer that. >> or the sublease is exhibit b, 756 00:46:40,793 --> 00:46:43,195 again, no exhibit b. So how can we vote on something 757 00:46:43,195 --> 00:46:48,595 that we don't have? >> okay, what page were you 758 00:47:23,369 --> 00:47:26,369 referring to? Just pick one. 759 00:47:26,906 --> 00:47:31,243 >> put f and put exhibit b and you're going to find it. 760 00:47:31,243 --> 00:47:34,747 it's more than 14 reference and that's exactly the exhibit that 761 00:47:34,747 --> 00:47:37,517 is going to be redrawing the boundaries. 762 00:47:37,517 --> 00:47:44,717 in the legal description, all of that, none of that is there. 763 00:47:47,460 --> 00:47:53,460 >> no, I don't know. >> I have 20 pages as, I have 20 764 00:47:57,770 --> 00:47:59,710 pages on the use and occupancy agreement. 765 00:47:59,710 --> 00:48:01,940 I have the resolution and the cover page, that's what I have. 766 00:48:01,940 --> 00:48:04,543 >> okay, you read it? >> what do you have? 767 00:48:04,543 --> 00:48:07,413 >> I have the same thing. >> so where is -- so exhibit b. 768 00:48:07,413 --> 00:48:09,348 >> it's supposed to have the scope. 769 00:48:09,348 --> 00:48:12,685 >> at the end, but -- >> in the occupancy. 770 00:48:12,685 --> 00:48:15,421 >> it's in all the documents. >> in the resolution. 771 00:48:15,421 --> 00:48:18,958 >> it's not in the resolution. It's not in the memo. 772 00:48:18,958 --> 00:48:20,560 it's in the document. >> it should be everywhere. 773 00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,976 >> in the 18 pages document you're going to see three of 774 00:48:23,976 --> 00:48:27,450 them at the end, and also it makess reference to exhibit b -- 775 00:48:27,450 --> 00:48:31,500 c, exhibit c is not -- >> it only has exhibit a in 776 00:48:31,500 --> 00:48:32,184 the -- >> right. 777 00:48:32,184 --> 00:48:36,984 >> in the occupancy agreement. >> mayor: page 2, number 4 of 778 00:48:37,790 --> 00:48:39,790 page 2. >> thank you. 779 00:48:42,328 --> 00:48:47,728 >> it says it under d. Described in exhibit b. 780 00:48:48,734 --> 00:48:54,134 >> mayor and commissioners, the attachment, the exhibit b was 781 00:48:55,742 --> 00:48:59,579 attached to the sublease agreement, so if you look at the 782 00:48:59,579 --> 00:49:01,614 schematic, the item they pulled. 783 00:49:01,614 --> 00:49:06,850 >> that's the one with the schematics and the shaded green 784 00:49:06,850 --> 00:49:07,520 areas. >> yes, that's what is being 785 00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,757 referenced as exhibit b. It was just added to the 786 00:49:10,757 --> 00:49:13,426 wrong -- >> which is the deferred item. 787 00:49:13,426 --> 00:49:16,229 >> yeah. >> and I do see the schematic. 788 00:49:16,229 --> 00:49:20,966 but it doesn't say there that's exhibit b because we had exhibit 789 00:49:20,966 --> 00:49:26,705 a and the schematic is just it's supposed to be like the tree 790 00:49:26,705 --> 00:49:30,305 survey and the position. And disposition. 791 00:49:31,177 --> 00:49:36,182 and it's like I said, it's not in the two resolutions that 792 00:49:36,182 --> 00:49:40,986 we're voting on right now. >> okay, mauricio, for the 793 00:49:40,986 --> 00:49:44,189 record, could you clarify where it is, please? 794 00:49:44,189 --> 00:49:50,290 >> it's in the deferred item. >> it's attached to item 9j, and 795 00:49:50,290 --> 00:49:52,798 it's labeled as schematic for that. 796 00:49:52,798 --> 00:49:55,133 >> for exhibit b. >> rather than exhibit b. 797 00:49:55,133 --> 00:50:00,500 but that, it should be attached to items 9h and 9i. 798 00:50:00,500 --> 00:50:02,608 >> so it was inadvertently left out. 799 00:50:02,608 --> 00:50:06,208 >> yeah, attached to the wrong item. 800 00:50:06,278 --> 00:50:08,678 >> mayor: okay. All right. 801 00:50:11,550 --> 00:50:15,220 so is it available right now on, online? 802 00:50:15,220 --> 00:50:19,420 >> it is available online, yes. >> mayor: okay. 803 00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:26,920 >> again, it's not what it's making, it says in the 804 00:50:26,980 --> 00:50:30,436 resolutions that it's going to have including the scope, the 805 00:50:30,436 --> 00:50:34,573 boundaries, et cetera, so like I said, it's not there. 806 00:50:34,573 --> 00:50:38,511 here we can see the schematic, which are the survey, the 807 00:50:38,511 --> 00:50:43,582 drawings, the trees, et cetera. That's not the reference that 808 00:50:43,582 --> 00:50:48,454 the contract is making about exhibit b over and over. 809 00:50:48,454 --> 00:50:51,123 >> may I? >> yeah, please, go ahead. 810 00:50:51,123 --> 00:50:57,723 >> is the plan to have the sublease item back on next 811 00:51:00,332 --> 00:51:02,534 month? Or is there some things to be 812 00:51:02,534 --> 00:51:05,300 worked out? >> some version of that should 813 00:51:05,300 --> 00:51:10,403 be back next month, yes, that is the intent. 814 00:51:12,100 --> 00:51:12,811 >> okay. >> so we should have -- 815 00:51:12,811 --> 00:51:16,615 >> so we should -- you know, combine everything refer for all 816 00:51:16,615 --> 00:51:18,884 for next month or. >> we cannot vote on something 817 00:51:18,884 --> 00:51:20,552 we don't have. >> there is something time 818 00:51:20,552 --> 00:51:25,291 sensitive at this point nat we need to pass this or can we 819 00:51:25,291 --> 00:51:26,826 wait? >> mayor? 820 00:51:26,826 --> 00:51:28,293 >> mayor: let city manager answer that. 821 00:51:28,293 --> 00:51:32,431 >> it can be deferred for a month. 822 00:51:32,431 --> 00:51:33,866 >> mayor: okay. Does this not slow down us being 823 00:51:33,866 --> 00:51:36,502 able to add the parking? >> yes, it does. 824 00:51:36,502 --> 00:51:38,704 >> it delays it, yes. >> mayor: I'm just concerned 825 00:51:38,704 --> 00:51:43,375 that we are in very, very big need of parking in that area, so 826 00:51:43,375 --> 00:51:48,180 this delays the parking by at least a month? 827 00:51:48,180 --> 00:51:49,715 >> yes. >> mayor: okay, are you all 828 00:51:49,715 --> 00:51:54,987 comfortable deferring it then? >> why was the item deferred? 829 00:51:54,987 --> 00:51:58,123 >> I don't know. >> because there is no exact -- 830 00:51:58,123 --> 00:52:00,123 [off mic] >> no. 831 00:52:00,192 --> 00:52:01,793 >> mayor: please. Nothing from the audience, 832 00:52:01,793 --> 00:52:03,262 please. Okay. 833 00:52:03,262 --> 00:52:05,998 so I want to get a very, very clear picture of this before we 834 00:52:05,998 --> 00:52:09,100 start deferring anything because there have been multiple 835 00:52:09,100 --> 00:52:12,700 complaints in that area for parking. 836 00:52:12,700 --> 00:52:16,142 so the item that was deferred you said it's coming back next 837 00:52:16,142 --> 00:52:19,742 month in some other way. >> correct. 838 00:52:21,814 --> 00:52:26,152 >> yes, so but can you clarify for the commission and for the 839 00:52:26,152 --> 00:52:28,754 public why those things need to be connected or don't need to be 840 00:52:28,754 --> 00:52:32,825 connected so that way we can make a good decision here not 841 00:52:32,825 --> 00:52:35,428 just defer it because we don't want to vote on it. 842 00:52:35,428 --> 00:52:40,320 >> okay, so the use on occupancy agreement is intentional to be 843 00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:46,905 able to bifurcate the green open area from the paved parking area 844 00:52:46,905 --> 00:52:51,209 which is used for a public parking area that has a revenue 845 00:52:51,209 --> 00:52:55,914 generator in it. The green open space ask just 846 00:52:55,914 --> 00:52:59,185 green open space. So the first step is to 847 00:52:59,185 --> 00:53:03,385 bifurcate those parcels into two separate pieces. 848 00:53:04,923 --> 00:53:09,930 the sublease agreement which was our initial reason for doing 849 00:53:09,930 --> 00:53:13,934 that had to be approved by fdot first and also by us and then it 850 00:53:13,934 --> 00:53:19,672 was sent to the jewish community center upon their review, they 851 00:53:19,672 --> 00:53:24,409 had some edits and some concerns with the agreement as written, 852 00:53:24,409 --> 00:53:27,880 they would like to consider changing some terms. 853 00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:32,852 they want to meet with us after to see if we could come to a 854 00:53:32,852 --> 00:53:36,555 different agreement that is less of a sublease and more of a 855 00:53:36,555 --> 00:53:41,355 donation where we are not subleasing to them. 856 00:53:41,359 --> 00:53:46,699 we are still maintaining the fdot property, but they would 857 00:53:46,699 --> 00:53:49,968 donate the playground. >> mayor: right but I don't want 858 00:53:49,968 --> 00:53:54,373 to commingle those two things because the revenue that we 859 00:53:54,373 --> 00:53:58,177 generate from that parking, I don't know if you had an 860 00:53:58,177 --> 00:54:01,814 opportunity to confirm how much that is per month, I had asked 861 00:54:01,814 --> 00:54:02,915 for that. >> it was sent to us. 862 00:54:02,915 --> 00:54:05,851 >> I did send it to you. >> mayor: you did? 863 00:54:05,851 --> 00:54:10,723 I missed it then if you can bull that up because missing out 864 00:54:10,723 --> 00:54:14,127 obviously not just we want the additional parking, but we need 865 00:54:14,127 --> 00:54:18,927 to be mindful about the lost revenue as 866 00:54:20,732 --> 00:54:27,332 >> also in the future, we're planning on having -- or when 867 00:54:29,808 --> 00:54:33,230 miami-dade gets around to it -- >> mayor: I want to make sure 868 00:54:33,230 --> 00:54:38,829 we're tight on this, because any additional delays can compound 869 00:54:38,829 --> 00:54:42,899 all of the delays, and this had been a long time coming to get 870 00:54:42,899 --> 00:54:48,299 extra parking there. >> so the revenue to date from 871 00:54:48,839 --> 00:54:53,639 october 1 this fiscal year to june 3rd is $78,885.97. 872 00:54:56,513 --> 00:55:00,713 the revenue from last fiscal year was $110,924 $110,924.87. 873 00:55:05,922 --> 00:55:08,257 >> mayor: and how many more parking spaces would this 874 00:55:08,257 --> 00:55:10,657 increase? >> 18 additional and two 875 00:55:10,727 --> 00:55:14,330 additional handicapped spaces. >> mayor: and how many do we 876 00:55:14,330 --> 00:55:19,730 have there now off the top of your head? 877 00:55:19,869 --> 00:55:20,738 >> 30? >> mayor: I know it doesn't 878 00:55:20,738 --> 00:55:22,872 double it, but it's a significant enough amount that 879 00:55:22,872 --> 00:55:25,872 it's warranted, okay. One second. 880 00:55:26,409 --> 00:55:29,745 I just want to make sure we're all clear as to what we're 881 00:55:29,745 --> 00:55:33,945 talking about here. Go ahead, commissioner joseph. 882 00:55:35,551 --> 00:55:41,358 >> so I understand that on the third floor at gateway parking 883 00:55:41,358 --> 00:55:44,958 lot, the temple rents spaces, correct? 884 00:55:48,298 --> 00:55:53,360 >> through their zoning approval from a previous commission, they 885 00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:58,174 purchased a number of spaces. They are actually on the roof. 886 00:55:58,174 --> 00:56:01,311 >> how many? >> again, sir, I'm -- 26, I 887 00:56:01,311 --> 00:56:02,746 think? >> okay. 888 00:56:02,746 --> 00:56:08,146 are there any other available, any other spots available. 889 00:56:09,785 --> 00:56:12,540 >> yes. I mean, it depends. 890 00:56:12,540 --> 00:56:16,659 >> so why don't we allow them to rent more spots? 891 00:56:16,659 --> 00:56:19,596 >> if they would like to, we could. 892 00:56:19,596 --> 00:56:21,797 they do rent it for special events. 893 00:56:21,797 --> 00:56:26,736 >> but this parking is not limited to just the -- this is 894 00:56:26,736 --> 00:56:28,238 public parking. >> I understand. 895 00:56:28,238 --> 00:56:34,444 but most of them will be taken up by shul goers? 896 00:56:34,444 --> 00:56:35,811 >> potentially. There's also a business there. 897 00:56:35,811 --> 00:56:39,849 >> yeah, so I'm not thinking though short term. 898 00:56:39,849 --> 00:56:42,752 I'm thinking long term. >> no, I understand that, but 899 00:56:42,752 --> 00:56:46,689 there's also a business there that needs parking that has 900 00:56:46,689 --> 00:56:51,661 nothing to do with the shul that could benefit from that parking. 901 00:56:51,661 --> 00:56:53,963 >> and I've been there when people are parking there and 902 00:56:53,963 --> 00:56:57,567 walking to the restaurant, so, yes, even when there's an event 903 00:56:57,567 --> 00:57:00,567 at the synagogue. >> mayor: sure. 904 00:57:00,570 --> 00:57:06,242 >> but I'm just thinking if the synagogue is saying they're so 905 00:57:06,242 --> 00:57:13,442 pressed for spots, why don't we offer them the more spots at 906 00:57:14,383 --> 00:57:18,583 gateway? Since there are so many more 907 00:57:19,550 --> 00:57:19,924 available? >> mayor: that's always 908 00:57:19,924 --> 00:57:22,792 available to them. >> they're aware of those spots. 909 00:57:22,792 --> 00:57:25,461 >> but maybe it hasn't been presented in this manner at this 910 00:57:25,461 --> 00:57:31,935 time for them to accept them and alleviate any pressure for the 911 00:57:31,935 --> 00:57:33,335 parking. >> mayor: but again, this is 912 00:57:33,335 --> 00:57:35,405 not specific to the synagogue, so -- 913 00:57:35,405 --> 00:57:38,474 >> yes, I know that. But that would also open up more 914 00:57:38,474 --> 00:57:41,474 spaces for the restaurant. Possibly. 915 00:57:42,411 --> 00:57:48,411 >> mayor: I think people park wherever is convenient for them. 916 00:57:49,850 --> 00:57:53,289 anyone else? >> did we have a motion on 917 00:57:53,289 --> 00:57:54,357 deferral? >> mayor: not yet. 918 00:57:54,357 --> 00:57:56,559 >> I agree with commissioner joseph. 919 00:57:56,559 --> 00:58:01,431 I think if there is something that alleviates an immediate 920 00:58:01,431 --> 00:58:04,967 problem if there is one and we can just do it right and the 921 00:58:04,967 --> 00:58:11,374 city manager says there's no harm, no foul, I'm good with 922 00:58:11,374 --> 00:58:13,243 deferring as well. >> mayor: so you're making a 923 00:58:13,243 --> 00:58:15,178 motion to defer. >> yes. 924 00:58:15,178 --> 00:58:17,847 >> mayor: I need a second. >> second. 925 00:58:17,847 --> 00:58:22,470 >> mayor: all in favor? [ chorus of ayes ] 926 00:58:22,519 --> 00:58:24,587 >> I'm a no on that, just for the record. 927 00:58:24,587 --> 00:58:28,187 next item, please. >> next item is 928 00:58:34,196 --> 00:58:35,665 9.j a resolution of the city of sunny isles beach, florida, 929 00:58:35,665 --> 00:58:37,266 allowing the mayor and commissioners, at each elected 930 00:58:37,266 --> 00:58:39,268 official's sole choice and option, to enroll and 931 00:58:39,268 --> 00:58:42,406 participate in and receive the same insurance benefits as is 932 00:58:42,406 --> 00:58:46,811 available to city's regular employees, including for a 933 00:58:46,811 --> 00:58:47,944 period not to exceed two years after the end of the elected 934 00:58:47,944 --> 00:58:50,944 officials' respective terms of office. 935 00:58:52,820 --> 00:58:54,751 >> mayor: mr. City manager? >> mayor, vice mayor, members of 936 00:58:54,751 --> 00:58:57,654 the commission, this is an item we discussed at a workshop and 937 00:58:57,654 --> 00:59:01,557 we're bringing it back to you for approval. 938 00:59:01,557 --> 00:59:05,495 it would establish the ability for the elected officials after 939 00:59:05,495 --> 00:59:10,330 serving two full terms to participate in the city's health 940 00:59:10,330 --> 00:59:13,503 insurance for two years. >> mayor: just for 941 00:59:13,503 --> 00:59:18,775 clarification, I want to make sure that we understand the 942 00:59:18,775 --> 00:59:20,176 item. Mr. City attorney? 943 00:59:20,176 --> 00:59:24,914 >> the first initial part of it is just memorializing what the 944 00:59:24,914 --> 00:59:30,314 status quo already is, that you're conferring upon yourself 945 00:59:30,453 --> 00:59:34,257 the benefits since 2010 have been received by elected 946 00:59:34,257 --> 00:59:35,591 officials. When we had the discussion, 947 00:59:35,591 --> 00:59:41,864 there was a component that there was direction to come up with a 948 00:59:41,864 --> 00:59:46,469 gap filler with regards to once an elected official leaves 949 00:59:46,469 --> 00:59:48,805 office to allow them to get on to other insurance. 950 00:59:48,805 --> 00:59:53,576 so I believe the consensus was two years, so that's what we 951 00:59:53,576 --> 00:59:56,212 were proposing, but again that's all up to you. 952 00:59:56,212 --> 00:59:59,415 >> mayor: and just for the members of the public or anyone 953 00:59:59,415 --> 01:00:01,818 watching, currently the commission receives the option 954 01:00:01,818 --> 01:00:06,822 of participating in the health insurance, same as the city 955 01:00:06,822 --> 01:00:11,494 staff, and has been since 2010. >> I believe so, yes, 2010. 956 01:00:11,494 --> 01:00:14,297 >> mayor: do we have public speakers? 957 01:00:14,297 --> 01:00:17,990 mauricio? >> but that's not for free. 958 01:00:17,990 --> 01:00:20,370 >> mayor: I understand, yes, of course. 959 01:00:20,370 --> 01:00:22,770 >> we do. Dina goldman? 960 01:00:23,506 --> 01:00:29,506 >> my name is dina goldman. I reside at 308 point sienna 961 01:00:30,413 --> 01:00:34,717 drive, and I just want to say a quick support for this 962 01:00:34,717 --> 01:00:37,286 initiative. I think it very well 963 01:00:37,286 --> 01:00:42,686 memorializes something that is a well-needed benefit for elected 964 01:00:43,402 --> 01:00:47,806 officials, and they provide tremendous service, the ones 965 01:00:47,806 --> 01:00:52,606 that provide that service for two consecutive terms. 966 01:00:53,412 --> 01:01:00,612 and they work hard and contribute a lot and this is a 967 01:01:00,618 --> 01:01:04,956 finite -- there are finite parameters to this and it's a 968 01:01:04,956 --> 01:01:08,260 very welcome initiative. And I'm happy to support that. 969 01:01:08,260 --> 01:01:10,829 >> mayor: thank you. Any other speakers? 970 01:01:10,829 --> 01:01:12,564 >> no, ma'am. >> mayor: all right, I'll take 971 01:01:12,564 --> 01:01:15,167 comments -- go ahead, commissioner joseph. 972 01:01:15,167 --> 01:01:20,567 >> I'm looking for a definition of a full term. 973 01:01:21,380 --> 01:01:23,975 >> yes, that's right, there was during the agenda review, that 974 01:01:23,975 --> 01:01:26,375 question was asked. >> right. 975 01:01:26,579 --> 01:01:32,500 I think in our conversations before, we had talked about the 976 01:01:32,500 --> 01:01:36,540 appointed less of a full term, but mauricio, you had quoted 977 01:01:36,540 --> 01:01:40,854 that section of the -- back on tuesday. 978 01:01:42,610 --> 01:01:47,461 as we discussed, commissioner joseph, if it's an appointed 979 01:01:47,666 --> 01:01:50,200 unexpired term, that wouldn't count as a term, but the 980 01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:54,272 question you posed to me before the meeting which we need to 981 01:01:54,272 --> 01:01:59,144 check is if in your case you were elected to an unexpired 982 01:01:59,144 --> 01:02:01,747 term, whether that counts as a term or not. 983 01:02:01,747 --> 01:02:04,149 >> mayor: and does it have to be the entire term. 984 01:02:04,149 --> 01:02:10,421 >> the way it's written now, the resolution is a full both two 985 01:02:10,421 --> 01:02:12,821 full uninterrupted elected terms. 986 01:02:13,158 --> 01:02:15,427 >> mayor: so if you're one day short of the term, then you're 987 01:02:15,427 --> 01:02:17,163 not eligible? >> that was the direction I got 988 01:02:17,163 --> 01:02:19,964 from the city manager, yes. >> mayor: I understand, all 989 01:02:19,964 --> 01:02:23,564 right. >> so nobody quits in the 990 01:02:23,568 --> 01:02:25,570 middle. >> and in that regard, it would 991 01:02:25,570 --> 01:02:30,775 allow me to run again? >> mayor: no, you would be 992 01:02:30,775 --> 01:02:33,978 eligible to use the insurance. >> no, he cannot. 993 01:02:33,978 --> 01:02:36,180 >> mayor: yes, because it's a full term for him. 994 01:02:36,180 --> 01:02:40,980 >> no, it's not. They need to clarify that. 995 01:02:41,319 --> 01:02:45,560 >> mayor: specifically for anyone that has the three years 996 01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:49,527 as a full term, they were elected to a term and they can't 997 01:02:49,527 --> 01:02:54,980 add an extra year, so is that considered a full term or not? 998 01:02:54,980 --> 01:02:58,269 >> what jerry and fabiola have are full terms. 999 01:02:58,269 --> 01:03:03,275 because if it weren't, then that's what he's saying. 1000 01:03:03,275 --> 01:03:08,413 if it weren't, then he would be able to run for commissioner 1001 01:03:08,413 --> 01:03:10,413 again. >> yes, correct. 1002 01:03:12,617 --> 01:03:18,170 >> there's language in the charter that defines, and I 1003 01:03:18,490 --> 01:03:23,828 remember looking at it some time ago, and you guys are well 1004 01:03:23,828 --> 01:03:27,232 within that. It's like when you were in that 1005 01:03:27,232 --> 01:03:29,634 two-and-a-half -- it's like around that two-year mark that 1006 01:03:29,634 --> 01:03:35,706 it gets fuzzy, but if you're not able to run for that seat again, 1007 01:03:35,706 --> 01:03:38,443 it's because that counts as a full term and that's the 1008 01:03:38,443 --> 01:03:41,446 position that you're in. >> mayor: right, that was my 1009 01:03:41,446 --> 01:03:43,181 question during the agenda review. 1010 01:03:43,181 --> 01:03:49,781 so are we including something like that as a full term? 1011 01:03:50,856 --> 01:03:52,924 >> section c23 (c). >> right. 1012 01:03:52,924 --> 01:03:56,628 and will end at midnight the day before the mention in the term 1013 01:03:56,628 --> 01:03:59,197 whether or not it is actually completed, except a vacancy 1014 01:03:59,197 --> 01:04:02,000 being filled for less than two years remaining and the filling 1015 01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,937 of that term shall not be counted as a term under this 1016 01:04:05,937 --> 01:04:07,739 section. >> mayor: so it counts? 1017 01:04:07,739 --> 01:04:13,813 >> so if you get elected to fill in for more than two years, then 1018 01:04:13,813 --> 01:04:16,882 that counts as a full term, according to our charter. 1019 01:04:16,882 --> 01:04:21,352 >> okay, so then for health reasons as well, health 1020 01:04:21,352 --> 01:04:25,900 insurance reasons, then it's a full term. 1021 01:04:25,900 --> 01:04:29,227 >> I would think so. >> but you can't have it both 1022 01:04:29,227 --> 01:04:30,829 ways, so it has to be determined. 1023 01:04:30,829 --> 01:04:36,768 >> mayor: I agree with that. Mr. City attorney, is that -- 1024 01:04:36,768 --> 01:04:40,271 >> what's the other way? I don't know what both ways 1025 01:04:40,271 --> 01:04:42,307 means. >> what commissioner joseph is 1026 01:04:42,307 --> 01:04:45,643 saying is you cannot run for a third term because his would not 1027 01:04:45,643 --> 01:04:48,120 be considered a full term under this -- 1028 01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:51,716 >> but it is a full term. >> exactly, that's what he's 1029 01:04:51,716 --> 01:04:53,785 saying. If it's a full term, then it's a 1030 01:04:53,785 --> 01:04:57,255 full term for all purposes. >> yes, correct. 1031 01:04:57,255 --> 01:04:59,925 >> mayor: but I want to make sure that's what's in the 1032 01:04:59,925 --> 01:05:02,527 resolution. >> don't give the health 1033 01:05:02,527 --> 01:05:05,730 insurance and I'll run again! >> the resolution definitely 1034 01:05:05,730 --> 01:05:10,202 talks about a full term. As to what a full term is is 1035 01:05:10,202 --> 01:05:13,605 dictated by your charter. >> right, you can say as set 1036 01:05:13,605 --> 01:05:17,805 forth in c23 ... Whatever. >> mayor: all right. 1037 01:05:18,810 --> 01:05:21,210 anyone else? Go ahead. 1038 01:05:23,281 --> 01:05:26,953 >> so I want to be very precise, okay? 1039 01:05:26,953 --> 01:05:30,888 because the public is owed precision when we're spending 1040 01:05:30,888 --> 01:05:35,688 their money on ourself. This resolution will have 1041 01:05:36,894 --> 01:05:42,894 taxpayers pay for the health insurance for two years after 1042 01:05:43,340 --> 01:05:47,234 elected officials are no longer in office. 1043 01:05:49,641 --> 01:05:53,445 I heard it suggested we have to do this to follow the law, but 1044 01:05:53,445 --> 01:05:57,148 we don't. >> no, no, I did not say that. 1045 01:05:57,148 --> 01:06:00,251 >> no, you're interrupting me -- >> mayor: wait a second. 1046 01:06:00,251 --> 01:06:03,851 >> I'm being interrupted. >> mayor: wait, commissioner 1047 01:06:04,922 --> 01:06:07,591 stuyvesant, I want to make sure the record is clear -- 1048 01:06:07,591 --> 01:06:11,396 >> you're not required to confer upon yourself benefits after you 1049 01:06:11,396 --> 01:06:13,631 leave office. Simply the status quo since 1050 01:06:13,631 --> 01:06:17,231 2010. I'm not saying that you are 1051 01:06:17,902 --> 01:06:20,404 required to give yourself insurance after you leave 1052 01:06:20,404 --> 01:06:22,940 office. >> I asked in the last 1053 01:06:22,940 --> 01:06:25,610 commission meeting if we were breaking the law several times 1054 01:06:25,610 --> 01:06:28,546 with the status quo and your answer was yes. 1055 01:06:28,546 --> 01:06:31,482 >> with the status quo, you are receiving insurance that has not 1056 01:06:31,482 --> 01:06:36,221 been conferred upon yourself, so you need to formalize that but 1057 01:06:36,221 --> 01:06:39,224 that doesn't talk about insurance after your term. 1058 01:06:39,224 --> 01:06:40,892 >> mayor: those are two separate things. 1059 01:06:40,892 --> 01:06:43,561 >> and I asked specifically if we were breaking the law many 1060 01:06:43,561 --> 01:06:46,297 times. I'm going to ask again. 1061 01:06:46,297 --> 01:06:49,841 the status quo that we have right now, are we breaking the 1062 01:06:49,841 --> 01:06:51,576 law? >> you've been receiving 1063 01:06:51,576 --> 01:06:54,211 benefits since 2010 -- >> it's a yes or no question. 1064 01:06:54,211 --> 01:06:57,211 >> no, it's not. >> it is. 1065 01:06:58,616 --> 01:07:01,452 it's your interpretation as always. 1066 01:07:01,452 --> 01:07:04,550 so I'm going to -- >> you need to memorialize, you 1067 01:07:04,550 --> 01:07:06,525 have to confer upon yourself the benefits you receive. 1068 01:07:06,525 --> 01:07:10,328 the city manager can't do it. The city manager back in the day 1069 01:07:10,328 --> 01:07:13,731 in 2010 couldn't do it. You have to confer that upon 1070 01:07:13,731 --> 01:07:16,131 yourself. >> again, that's your 1071 01:07:16,334 --> 01:07:18,734 interpretation. October 29, 2009, in 2007, the 1072 01:07:22,873 --> 01:07:27,412 city was audited by the irs, and one of the stipulations 1073 01:07:27,412 --> 01:07:32,212 effective january 1, 2008, was that the salary of elected 1074 01:07:32,751 --> 01:07:37,955 officials -- salary -- be subject to all applicable 1075 01:07:37,955 --> 01:07:42,755 federal income taxes. Moving on: this information was 1076 01:07:43,270 --> 01:07:47,827 only recently learned after lengthy discussions with florida 1077 01:07:50,502 --> 01:07:52,171 retirement system representatives. 1078 01:07:52,171 --> 01:07:56,241 nothing to do with insurance. We are talking about frs. 1079 01:07:56,241 --> 01:08:01,846 frs has recommended that the city comply by simply including 1080 01:08:01,846 --> 01:08:06,250 the elected officials in the next monthly report. 1081 01:08:06,250 --> 01:08:11,500 we are talking about the florida retirement system. 1082 01:08:11,756 --> 01:08:16,556 it doesn't make any allegation to health insurance. 1083 01:08:17,128 --> 01:08:19,597 the analyzed cost for the city is seven thousand whatever 1084 01:08:19,597 --> 01:08:23,668 whatever and the elected officials are eligible for the 1085 01:08:23,668 --> 01:08:29,668 same benefits and subject to the same requirements as regular 1086 01:08:29,674 --> 01:08:31,742 city employees. >> yes, because then you're 1087 01:08:31,742 --> 01:08:36,130 considered an employee. >> moving on, it says proposed 1088 01:08:36,130 --> 01:08:38,783 next steps. Meet with the elected officials 1089 01:08:38,783 --> 01:08:43,521 so if there is any interest in enrolling the city in the 1090 01:08:43,521 --> 01:08:48,693 elected official class of frs, an approval resolution for frs 1091 01:08:48,693 --> 01:08:52,893 at the november or december commission meeting. 1092 01:08:53,431 --> 01:08:57,568 this is extremely self-serving. I'm embarrassed to even be 1093 01:08:57,568 --> 01:09:00,568 having this discussion right now. 1094 01:09:01,773 --> 01:09:04,976 because for the time being, we have three elected officials 1095 01:09:04,976 --> 01:09:09,180 that are going to be out of office this november. 1096 01:09:09,180 --> 01:09:13,985 and right now, they are trying to codify to continue receiving 1097 01:09:13,985 --> 01:09:19,224 health insurance for the next two years on your dime and my 1098 01:09:19,224 --> 01:09:24,950 dime, because I'm a resident of sunny isles beach, so when we're 1099 01:09:24,950 --> 01:09:28,733 in longer working, you are going to continue paying for our 1100 01:09:28,733 --> 01:09:34,733 family health insurance. So my question is very simple -- 1101 01:09:35,706 --> 01:09:38,609 >> I said I already recused myself from the vote. 1102 01:09:38,609 --> 01:09:43,409 >> according to the law, florida constitution article 7, number 1103 01:09:44,282 --> 01:09:50,282 10, public money may be spent only for a public, municipal 1104 01:09:51,422 --> 01:09:55,622 purpose. What is the municipal purpose of 1105 01:09:55,626 --> 01:10:00,298 paying the health insurance of the families of elected 1106 01:10:00,298 --> 01:10:03,634 officials when they're no longer in office for the next 24 1107 01:10:03,634 --> 01:10:05,970 months? It's a very simple question 1108 01:10:05,970 --> 01:10:08,440 about municipal purpose. >> can I answer that? 1109 01:10:08,440 --> 01:10:11,442 >> mayor: please, go ahead. >> the florida attorney general, 1110 01:10:11,442 --> 01:10:15,579 several florida attorney generals, have opined that it's 1111 01:10:15,579 --> 01:10:18,183 absolutely permissible for you to receive benefits. 1112 01:10:18,183 --> 01:10:19,718 >> we may. We don't must. 1113 01:10:19,718 --> 01:10:23,540 I have your answer here. It says you're going to say that 1114 01:10:23,540 --> 01:10:29,654 it requires the city to pay for a former official's insurance. 1115 01:10:30,261 --> 01:10:32,530 >> article 7 does not apply in this case. 1116 01:10:32,530 --> 01:10:36,634 >> so this is a choice. We are choosing to make the 1117 01:10:36,634 --> 01:10:40,405 people pay for us when we are no longer in office. 1118 01:10:40,405 --> 01:10:43,941 so I really wanted to see what is the municipal purpose. 1119 01:10:43,941 --> 01:10:47,541 that's my question, it's very simple. 1120 01:10:50,415 --> 01:10:52,417 >> mayor: okay, for clarification, again, these are 1121 01:10:52,417 --> 01:10:56,617 two separate things. Since 2010, the members of 1122 01:10:57,688 --> 01:11:02,894 whomever was sitting up here on the dais had the option of using 1123 01:11:02,894 --> 01:11:06,898 the city health insurance. Some did, some didn't. 1124 01:11:06,898 --> 01:11:09,300 that's since 2010. It was recently realized that it 1125 01:11:09,300 --> 01:11:13,237 was never put in a resolution. So this was a cleanup in order 1126 01:11:13,237 --> 01:11:15,974 to say if members of the commission are going to continue 1127 01:11:15,974 --> 01:11:19,243 to receive health insurance, it needs to be resolved. 1128 01:11:19,243 --> 01:11:23,948 in addition to that, and this is the secondary thing, there would 1129 01:11:23,948 --> 01:11:28,987 be an additional benefit if an elected official wanted to use 1130 01:11:28,987 --> 01:11:31,723 it after leaving office where they can continue using the 1131 01:11:31,723 --> 01:11:35,392 insurance for themselves, as I understand, not their families, 1132 01:11:35,392 --> 01:11:36,961 themselves. They can pay for their families 1133 01:11:36,961 --> 01:11:40,330 for an additional two years. So those are two separate 1134 01:11:40,330 --> 01:11:43,134 things. One thing is the status quo 1135 01:11:43,134 --> 01:11:45,336 happening since 2010 and the second thing is secondary and 1136 01:11:45,336 --> 01:11:49,140 additional. >> that's not the issue in front 1137 01:11:49,140 --> 01:11:50,808 of us. >> mayor: it is. 1138 01:11:50,808 --> 01:11:54,110 but I want to give someone else an opportunity to speak, please, 1139 01:11:54,110 --> 01:11:57,611 that has not yet. You've spoken. 1140 01:11:57,815 --> 01:12:00,685 >> I've spoken. >> mayor: commissioner lama, 1141 01:12:00,685 --> 01:12:04,688 did you want to add anything? >> first of all, I want to just 1142 01:12:04,688 --> 01:12:06,958 clarify a couple things or correct a couple things that 1143 01:12:06,958 --> 01:12:09,930 were said. This is not for families. 1144 01:12:09,930 --> 01:12:12,262 I don't know where you get that information from. 1145 01:12:12,262 --> 01:12:13,965 >> you can pay additional for families. 1146 01:12:13,965 --> 01:12:15,767 >> mayor: one at a time, please. 1147 01:12:15,767 --> 01:12:18,102 >> but you'll have to pay for them. 1148 01:12:18,102 --> 01:12:23,502 >> yeah, like now. >> so it just applies to the 1149 01:12:23,707 --> 01:12:26,844 elected official and has a cap of two years. 1150 01:12:26,844 --> 01:12:29,179 >> correct. >> so it is very clear. 1151 01:12:29,179 --> 01:12:32,917 and this is not something out of the ordinary either, because 1152 01:12:32,917 --> 01:12:36,521 other cities have similar type of policies. 1153 01:12:36,521 --> 01:12:39,924 some cities don't, some cities do. 1154 01:12:39,924 --> 01:12:43,610 so, I mean, you're making it seem as if the residents are 1155 01:12:43,610 --> 01:12:45,396 going to be paying endless amounts of money. 1156 01:12:45,396 --> 01:12:50,330 and this is an opportunity that's been given to other 1157 01:12:50,330 --> 01:12:52,470 people that are going to run and become elected officials as 1158 01:12:52,470 --> 01:12:56,670 well. And I think just like exmayor 1159 01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:04,120 goldman said, it's good to give those elected officials a gap so 1160 01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:10,259 when we get back to let's say our normal lives, we can have 1161 01:13:10,259 --> 01:13:15,697 some time to adjust and look for other options when it comes to 1162 01:13:15,697 --> 01:13:18,433 health insurance. >> mayor: okay, vice mayor? 1163 01:13:18,433 --> 01:13:23,439 did you want to add anything? >> only that the memo being 1164 01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:26,375 referred to is frs. And it has nothing to do with 1165 01:13:26,375 --> 01:13:29,845 insurance, I agree with that. This is frs. 1166 01:13:29,845 --> 01:13:31,914 it doesn't apply. It's not for families. 1167 01:13:31,914 --> 01:13:35,984 this is not codifying -- we went over all of this already. 1168 01:13:35,984 --> 01:13:41,123 >> and just to be clear, so under chapter 112, your 1169 01:13:41,123 --> 01:13:45,194 employees that retire, that actually retire, you are 1170 01:13:45,194 --> 01:13:49,994 required under florida law to provide them continuing 1171 01:13:50,399 --> 01:13:53,402 insurance in the same -- intermixed with your other 1172 01:13:53,402 --> 01:13:55,337 employees so they get the benefit of the lower. 1173 01:13:55,337 --> 01:13:57,873 >> and how long is that for? >> continuously. 1174 01:13:57,873 --> 01:14:01,143 for your retired employees, those that fit the definition of 1175 01:14:01,143 --> 01:14:05,343 a retired employee. That's in the statute. 1176 01:14:05,414 --> 01:14:09,284 [ off mic ] >> mayor: can we just -- I'd 1177 01:14:09,284 --> 01:14:14,684 like -- we need to maintain decorum up here. 1178 01:14:15,424 --> 01:14:18,761 commissioner stuyvesant, let the city attorney finish what he's 1179 01:14:18,761 --> 01:14:22,361 saying. >> so under florida law under 1180 01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:26,435 chapter 112, you're required for your retired employees to 1181 01:14:26,435 --> 01:14:29,704 continue their health insurance if they so opt to do that. 1182 01:14:29,704 --> 01:14:31,704 >> for life? >> yes. 1183 01:14:35,711 --> 01:14:39,982 >> under chapter 166, you have the authority to extend that to 1184 01:14:39,982 --> 01:14:45,187 other employees that are not deemed retirees because it's not 1185 01:14:45,187 --> 01:14:47,722 prohibited by state law, okay? You are allowed to do it. 1186 01:14:47,722 --> 01:14:52,928 in fact, you did it before for your city attorney for many, 1187 01:14:52,928 --> 01:14:54,630 many years, right? This is the same thing. 1188 01:14:54,630 --> 01:14:58,768 you have the authority under 166 to do that if you want to. 1189 01:14:58,768 --> 01:15:01,670 fair point with municipal purpose, you need to decide what 1190 01:15:01,670 --> 01:15:05,730 that municipal purpose is, no doubt about that. 1191 01:15:05,730 --> 01:15:09,344 but it is not prohibited for you under your home rule powers to 1192 01:15:09,344 --> 01:15:13,149 go ahead and confer that upon yourselves because specifically 1193 01:15:13,149 --> 01:15:15,551 it's not prohibited under 112 and it's consistent with the 1194 01:15:15,551 --> 01:15:19,154 fact that for your other employees that are retired, you 1195 01:15:19,154 --> 01:15:22,825 have to provide them by law. And you can extend that to 1196 01:15:22,825 --> 01:15:29,425 others if you so wish, which you've done in the past. 1197 01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:34,350 >> so I know personally former employees from the city that 1198 01:15:34,350 --> 01:15:38,841 were invited to the fourth floor just to realize that they were 1199 01:15:38,841 --> 01:15:43,779 being forced to resign. So when any of our employees, 1200 01:15:43,779 --> 01:15:48,317 let's say a police officer, a lady police officer, she is 1201 01:15:48,317 --> 01:15:52,454 pregnant, and she's forced to resign, are we going to give 1202 01:15:52,454 --> 01:15:56,325 them the courtesy of two years of health insurance? 1203 01:15:56,325 --> 01:16:01,630 yes or no, is that for all the employees or politicians, we're 1204 01:16:01,630 --> 01:16:04,800 a special class that we have to have special treatment? 1205 01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:10,800 because we cannot retire. We have specific terms for a 1206 01:16:12,541 --> 01:16:13,876 reason. So retirement benefits do not 1207 01:16:13,876 --> 01:16:17,613 apply for us. That status does not apply to 1208 01:16:17,613 --> 01:16:19,882 us. Like you said, that status 1209 01:16:19,882 --> 01:16:24,860 implies that we can do it. That we are not prohibited to do 1210 01:16:24,860 --> 01:16:25,888 it. Not that we have to do it. 1211 01:16:25,888 --> 01:16:28,570 however, my question remains the same. 1212 01:16:28,570 --> 01:16:33,696 so a police officer that is pregnant and they get fired, are 1213 01:16:33,696 --> 01:16:37,633 we giving that police officer two more years of courtesy 1214 01:16:37,633 --> 01:16:40,330 insurance? Yes or no? 1215 01:16:40,102 --> 01:16:44,440 >> not if you fire an employee. Why would you give benefits to 1216 01:16:44,440 --> 01:16:48,511 someone you fired? >> I'm asking the city manager. 1217 01:16:48,511 --> 01:16:51,647 >> mayor: go ahead, city manager, when an employee is 1218 01:16:51,647 --> 01:16:54,984 fired, do they retain benefits? >> not in they're terminated, 1219 01:16:54,984 --> 01:16:57,384 no. >> if they resign? 1220 01:17:01,991 --> 01:17:03,459 voluntarily. >> mayor: if an employee 1221 01:17:03,459 --> 01:17:04,794 resigns, do they maintain benefits? 1222 01:17:04,794 --> 01:17:08,994 >> they may be able to under cobra. 1223 01:17:09,598 --> 01:17:13,198 >> ccobra is just an expensive carry-over. 1224 01:17:15,570 --> 01:17:17,139 >> so we're not paying the insurance of that police officer 1225 01:17:17,139 --> 01:17:22,879 that was forced to resign? Like we do on the fourth floor. 1226 01:17:22,879 --> 01:17:28,417 so again, this is about choices. Sadly, this is about right and 1227 01:17:28,417 --> 01:17:32,617 wrong. I, myself, due to my current 1228 01:17:33,422 --> 01:17:37,426 family situation, understand very well the need of health 1229 01:17:37,426 --> 01:17:42,226 insurance. I have a family member with a 1230 01:17:42,230 --> 01:17:50,300 very bad condition, so I get it. However, this is not a personal 1231 01:17:51,440 --> 01:17:53,908 issue. This is about right and wrong. 1232 01:17:53,908 --> 01:17:58,108 these are not the rules of engagement. 1233 01:17:59,248 --> 01:18:03,252 the people voting for this will benefit from this immediately. 1234 01:18:03,252 --> 01:18:07,523 if we wanted to do this, this is so important to do, so none of 1235 01:18:07,523 --> 01:18:10,393 us should be eligible to receive this benefit. 1236 01:18:10,393 --> 01:18:15,497 and then we can be making a decision that it will make 1237 01:18:15,497 --> 01:18:19,697 sense. But right now, this is a 1238 01:18:20,268 --> 01:18:23,672 good-bye gift we're giving to ourself and again this is 1239 01:18:23,672 --> 01:18:27,872 totally wrong. That's why people don't trust 1240 01:18:29,110 --> 01:18:30,814 government anymore. It's completely self-serving. 1241 01:18:30,814 --> 01:18:36,180 if the idea that you claim is just to clean up the status quo, 1242 01:18:36,180 --> 01:18:40,155 that option of two more years should not even be there. 1243 01:18:40,155 --> 01:18:44,426 and if we want to do that as a perk for the people to run for 1244 01:18:44,426 --> 01:18:48,897 office, the proper way, because it's people's money, should be 1245 01:18:48,897 --> 01:18:53,168 put to a referendum and we allow the people to say you know what, 1246 01:18:53,168 --> 01:18:55,437 elected officials have a very hard job. 1247 01:18:55,437 --> 01:18:59,308 maybe they should not be making ten or $20,000 a year. 1248 01:18:59,308 --> 01:19:02,450 maybe they have to be making 50. Maybe they should be having 1249 01:19:02,450 --> 01:19:06,584 better benefits. That is up to the people, not to 1250 01:19:06,584 --> 01:19:12,991 us, to increase our salaries or to start giving us perks that 1251 01:19:12,991 --> 01:19:17,996 are not there right now. So this is morally 1252 01:19:17,996 --> 01:19:23,335 reprehensible, completely wrong. And in the spirit of being fair, 1253 01:19:23,335 --> 01:19:28,606 none of us should be able to benefit from this. 1254 01:19:28,606 --> 01:19:31,600 >> mayor: okay. Anyone else? 1255 01:19:32,878 --> 01:19:36,214 all right. I'll take a motion on the item. 1256 01:19:36,214 --> 01:19:40,414 >> so moved. >> mayor: I need a second. 1257 01:19:42,887 --> 01:19:45,887 >> roll call, mayor? >> mayor: yes. 1258 01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:50,692 >> commissioner joseph. >> I defer my vote. 1259 01:19:51,363 --> 01:19:55,563 >> you can't. >> well, call me last, please. 1260 01:19:56,934 --> 01:20:00,438 >> commissioner joseph, you need to vote. 1261 01:20:00,438 --> 01:20:02,438 >> no. >> commissioner stuyvesant. 1262 01:20:04,776 --> 01:20:06,776 >> no. >> commissioner lama. 1263 01:20:08,780 --> 01:20:11,180 >> yes. >> vice mayor viscarra. 1264 01:20:13,451 --> 01:20:15,451 >> yes. >> mayor svechin? 1265 01:20:15,519 --> 01:20:17,655 >> mayor: before I vote, I just want to say that earlier during 1266 01:20:17,655 --> 01:20:21,860 our workshop, we had a discussion about how in november 1267 01:20:21,860 --> 01:20:27,264 there's going to be some changes to all of our tax bills 1268 01:20:27,264 --> 01:20:29,668 potentially. And while we are an incredibly 1269 01:20:29,668 --> 01:20:33,538 healthy city, thank god, and we're doing very well, we don't 1270 01:20:33,538 --> 01:20:36,541 know how that's going to work out after november. 1271 01:20:36,541 --> 01:20:39,543 so perhaps in past years, I would have been supportive of 1272 01:20:39,543 --> 01:20:43,281 this item. I think that given how things 1273 01:20:43,281 --> 01:20:49,881 may or likely will change in november, it's important that we 1274 01:20:50,155 --> 01:20:52,423 are more I guess -- it's not about responsibility. 1275 01:20:52,423 --> 01:20:57,395 I would say just more conservative and while I do 1276 01:20:57,395 --> 01:21:01,800 agree that health insurance for elected officials is absolutely 1277 01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:04,169 something that should be allowed, I don't use it, but 1278 01:21:04,169 --> 01:21:08,106 that doesn't mean it's a bad thing, not at all. 1279 01:21:08,106 --> 01:21:11,976 there are some things that elected officials should be able 1280 01:21:11,976 --> 01:21:15,576 to get. And perhaps after november, 1281 01:21:16,281 --> 01:21:20,285 whomever new people are up here, they may decide they want to 1282 01:21:20,285 --> 01:21:23,188 revisit this, but based on that and what's happening in 1283 01:21:23,188 --> 01:21:27,988 november, I'm a no. >> the motion and resolution 1284 01:21:31,262 --> 01:21:32,797 fails. >> commissioner joseph needed to 1285 01:21:32,797 --> 01:21:34,797 vote. >> I did. 1286 01:21:34,932 --> 01:21:37,602 >> he voted no. >> may I say something? 1287 01:21:37,602 --> 01:21:42,540 so I think that the purpose of this is not to, you know, shower 1288 01:21:42,540 --> 01:21:46,440 ourselves with extra benefits or anything. 1289 01:21:46,440 --> 01:21:49,681 because if we had bad intentions like other cities have done, we 1290 01:21:49,681 --> 01:21:54,180 would have raised our salaries exponentially, because what we 1291 01:21:54,180 --> 01:21:57,388 get paid, I mean, I'm thankful for it, but obviously we can not 1292 01:21:57,388 --> 01:22:00,492 earn a living from that. Other cities make a lot less. 1293 01:22:00,492 --> 01:22:02,294 other cities don't make anything. 1294 01:22:02,294 --> 01:22:05,290 other elected officials don't make anything. 1295 01:22:05,290 --> 01:22:07,198 so I think it's fair to give the opportunity to people that have 1296 01:22:07,198 --> 01:22:13,370 been sitting here for eight years to have that gap, that 1297 01:22:13,370 --> 01:22:17,237 cushion. Because now when let's say they 1298 01:22:18,750 --> 01:22:23,380 finish their terms, you need some time to kind of adjust, and 1299 01:22:23,380 --> 01:22:28,386 whether you're going go into the corporate world or go into 1300 01:22:28,386 --> 01:22:31,789 entrepreneurship. At less least we have the choicf 1301 01:22:31,789 --> 01:22:33,725 we want to continue to participate and make use of 1302 01:22:33,725 --> 01:22:37,995 those two extra years, so I really do take offense to what 1303 01:22:37,995 --> 01:22:42,534 commissioner stuyvesant said, because we have -- we sit here 1304 01:22:42,534 --> 01:22:48,473 and we serve the people, okay? And we're here to serve the 1305 01:22:48,473 --> 01:22:52,730 community, to make the community better. 1306 01:22:53,878 --> 01:22:57,414 and I don't think this is anything close to trying to, you 1307 01:22:57,414 --> 01:23:02,487 know, benefit ourselves. This is just giving us a cushion 1308 01:23:02,487 --> 01:23:05,156 of two extra years to have health insurance, whether we 1309 01:23:05,156 --> 01:23:10,228 have that choice, we take it, whether I go back into corporate 1310 01:23:10,228 --> 01:23:14,364 or have insurance offered to me through another means, fine. 1311 01:23:14,364 --> 01:23:18,350 but I really take offense in what you said, because it really 1312 01:23:18,350 --> 01:23:22,573 paints a picture that we are trying to really grab a lot of 1313 01:23:22,573 --> 01:23:27,912 money and we're going to raise our salaries from $20,000 a year 1314 01:23:27,912 --> 01:23:29,781 to 120,000. >> I never said that. 1315 01:23:29,781 --> 01:23:35,119 >> I'm giving you an example, the way you're presenting 1316 01:23:35,119 --> 01:23:39,319 things. I really take offense with that. 1317 01:23:40,257 --> 01:23:42,794 >> so that's your interpretation of my words and I never said 1318 01:23:42,794 --> 01:23:46,994 that specifically. My point was very simple. 1319 01:23:47,650 --> 01:23:50,634 actually, we know, god willing if we don't die before, we know 1320 01:23:50,634 --> 01:23:53,771 when we're getting out of office. 1321 01:23:53,771 --> 01:23:57,942 so I know that unless anything happens, I'm going to be out of 1322 01:23:57,942 --> 01:24:02,742 office in november 2028. Other people like you guys, 1323 01:24:03,281 --> 01:24:05,817 november 2026, so we can plan accordingly because we know the 1324 01:24:05,817 --> 01:24:08,153 moment that we are going to be stepping out of office. 1325 01:24:08,153 --> 01:24:11,989 and that's why I tried to connect this and give an example 1326 01:24:11,989 --> 01:24:16,930 that somebody who is forced to resign, then they are called 1327 01:24:16,930 --> 01:24:20,965 today to the fourth floor and they go to their home that night 1328 01:24:20,965 --> 01:24:23,834 knowing that they no longer have a job. 1329 01:24:23,834 --> 01:24:30,434 those people, which I personally know that had those meetings on 1330 01:24:31,420 --> 01:24:35,980 the fourth floor, more than one, two and three, those people 1331 01:24:35,980 --> 01:24:41,118 never had the opportunity to prepare to get another job, to 1332 01:24:41,118 --> 01:24:44,188 find another insurance. It happened to them overnight. 1333 01:24:44,188 --> 01:24:46,658 people with children, people with families. 1334 01:24:46,658 --> 01:24:53,130 so my point is that we are adults clearly and we can plan 1335 01:24:53,130 --> 01:24:56,934 accordingly when we are going to be out of office and also what 1336 01:24:56,934 --> 01:25:00,471 is it that we're going to be doing to supplement our income 1337 01:25:00,471 --> 01:25:04,975 or to get insurance. All of the above. 1338 01:25:04,975 --> 01:25:07,478 so I was not -- >> it's called life planning. 1339 01:25:07,478 --> 01:25:11,215 >> I was not trying to offend or insult anybody, I'm sorry if you 1340 01:25:11,215 --> 01:25:15,955 feel offended by my words. They were not directed to you or 1341 01:25:15,955 --> 01:25:19,910 anybody specifically. It's just that this doesn't make 1342 01:25:19,910 --> 01:25:23,291 sense. This is how government -- you 1343 01:25:24,496 --> 01:25:29,902 know when you're getting out of office so we can plan 1344 01:25:29,902 --> 01:25:32,638 accordingly. >> mayor, before, just a 1345 01:25:32,638 --> 01:25:35,507 logistical issue. So the resolution was voted 1346 01:25:35,507 --> 01:25:38,244 down, but remember there were two parts. 1347 01:25:38,244 --> 01:25:42,715 >> mayor: exactly, I was just about to get to that. 1348 01:25:42,715 --> 01:25:44,783 >> we need clarification about the status quo and then the 1349 01:25:44,783 --> 01:25:47,687 additional two years. >> mayor: do we need a motion 1350 01:25:47,687 --> 01:25:49,855 to split this out? >> we can bring it back next 1351 01:25:49,855 --> 01:25:53,455 meeting with just the status quo. 1352 01:25:53,926 --> 01:25:54,593 >> mayor: okay. All right. 1353 01:25:54,593 --> 01:25:57,996 we don't want to do that right now? 1354 01:25:57,996 --> 01:26:01,266 >> I mean, no, I'd prefer you have the language in front of 1355 01:26:01,266 --> 01:26:03,270 you. >> mayor: perfect, okay. 1356 01:26:03,270 --> 01:26:08,607 I want to close this conversation, wa, because I thie 1357 01:26:08,607 --> 01:26:14,814 can go on and on and I agree with you, commissioner lama and 1358 01:26:14,814 --> 01:26:19,484 vice mayor, and -- I was supportive of this item, but 1359 01:26:19,484 --> 01:26:24,356 given everything else, it started not making sense to me. 1360 01:26:24,356 --> 01:26:27,293 and I can appreciate commissioner stuyvesant, what 1361 01:26:27,293 --> 01:26:29,461 you're saying. I think had you said what you 1362 01:26:29,461 --> 01:26:34,433 just said now earlier, it would have landed a little bit 1363 01:26:34,433 --> 01:26:37,302 differently. Okay, next item, please. 1364 01:26:37,302 --> 01:26:40,740 >> next item is the -- >> so you're saying you would 1365 01:26:40,740 --> 01:26:43,740 change your vote? >> mayor: no. 1366 01:27:04,263 --> 01:27:05,465 >> mayor, vice mayor, members of the commission. 1367 01:27:05,465 --> 01:27:10,265 this adopts the date county local mitigation strategy. 1368 01:27:11,700 --> 01:27:13,472 >> mayor: do we have public speakers? 1369 01:27:13,472 --> 01:27:14,774 >> no, ma'am. >> mayor: any comments from the 1370 01:27:14,774 --> 01:27:17,760 commission? I'll take a motion, please. 1371 01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:19,760 >> motion. >> second. 1372 01:27:19,144 --> 01:27:21,480 >> mayor: all in favor? All right. 1373 01:27:21,480 --> 01:27:25,751 now we're on to -- that's it for add-ons, correct? 1374 01:27:25,751 --> 01:27:29,688 citizens forum, mauricio? Do we have public speakers? 1375 01:27:29,688 --> 01:27:31,688 >> we do. >> vitally? 1376 01:27:34,894 --> 01:27:40,833 >> mayor: just make sure we have the clock on, thank you. 1377 01:27:40,833 --> 01:27:46,833 >> mi was coming here as a visitor and conducting business 1378 01:27:48,174 --> 01:27:50,242 here. One of the things is that you 1379 01:27:50,242 --> 01:27:57,442 guys coming up on the budget 2026-27 and one of the things 1380 01:27:57,650 --> 01:28:01,186 going on with the home taxes and things like that, I was 1381 01:28:01,186 --> 01:28:04,123 wondering how our police department is going to be 1382 01:28:04,123 --> 01:28:07,590 supported. One of the things is I'm not 1383 01:28:07,590 --> 01:28:11,397 sure how much you guys get money out of traffic tickets. 1384 01:28:11,397 --> 01:28:17,997 you go to intercoastal british, I guarantee you can use that 1385 01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:21,206 budget, writing the tickets, to be able to support the police 1386 01:28:21,206 --> 01:28:23,475 department. One of the reasons why is 1387 01:28:23,475 --> 01:28:27,346 because on several occasions, I observed somebody traveling a 1388 01:28:27,346 --> 01:28:29,881 lot faster than they should be traveling. 1389 01:28:29,881 --> 01:28:32,317 another thing is I don't know where we're going to get 1390 01:28:32,317 --> 01:28:34,820 elected, but they're going to have a hard time to do a great 1391 01:28:34,820 --> 01:28:39,291 job as you guys are doing. And to me that's very important, 1392 01:28:39,291 --> 01:28:42,494 because coming up here at night or in the daytime, it doesn't 1393 01:28:42,494 --> 01:28:47,699 really matter, you notice things going on and that comes from the 1394 01:28:47,699 --> 01:28:53,105 city manager and administration. When you guys don't get to relax 1395 01:28:53,105 --> 01:28:55,774 or something happens, I want you to look at yourself and say you 1396 01:28:55,774 --> 01:29:01,446 know what, I did a great job, because as a visitor that comes 1397 01:29:01,446 --> 01:29:06,585 here very often, I think you do an amazing job, thank you. 1398 01:29:06,585 --> 01:29:09,585 >> mayor: thank you. >> mr. Maddows? 1399 01:29:20,466 --> 01:29:23,466 >> good evening, mayor and commissioners. 1400 01:29:26,772 --> 01:29:29,172 victor matos, 18201, collins avenue. 1401 01:29:29,475 --> 01:29:33,545 I'm the manager of the trump royale and I come to you with 1402 01:29:33,545 --> 01:29:37,783 three basic things for us. That the last commission meeting 1403 01:29:37,783 --> 01:29:41,219 that I attended, we were talking about the development right next 1404 01:29:41,219 --> 01:29:46,619 door to us, and unfortunately, they're not playing nice. 1405 01:29:47,158 --> 01:29:49,562 4:00 in the morning, trucks and construction. 1406 01:29:49,562 --> 01:29:53,966 taking over the streets. Noise affecting a lot of our 1407 01:29:53,966 --> 01:29:56,902 residents. Not to mention the debris and 1408 01:29:56,902 --> 01:30:01,106 dust that's coming up against the building creating more 1409 01:30:01,106 --> 01:30:04,242 expenses for our residents as they have to clean their windows 1410 01:30:04,242 --> 01:30:08,460 and not being able to enjoy their balconies. 1411 01:30:08,460 --> 01:30:14,646 we would love for the city manager or the code enforcement 1412 01:30:14,787 --> 01:30:19,791 to actually help us and if there's a possibility for us to 1413 01:30:19,791 --> 01:30:23,128 get notice when and if they're going to be doing work at 4:00 1414 01:30:23,128 --> 01:30:26,198 in the morning so that we can advise our residents that these 1415 01:30:26,198 --> 01:30:29,200 things are taking place. We also want to bring to your 1416 01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:31,671 attention, I don't know if you've seen it lately, but a lot 1417 01:30:31,671 --> 01:30:34,272 of our residents are complaining about beach erosion. 1418 01:30:34,272 --> 01:30:38,745 and that is something that is affecting us, because we've lost 1419 01:30:38,745 --> 01:30:41,881 a lot of beach in the last eight to nine months, I would say. 1420 01:30:41,881 --> 01:30:47,152 and we don't know if the commission has actually been 1421 01:30:47,152 --> 01:30:49,120 briefed on this or if there's a plan. 1422 01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:52,424 and last but not least, the most recent complaint we're getting 1423 01:30:52,424 --> 01:30:55,270 is about the seaweed. I don't know if there's also a 1424 01:30:55,270 --> 01:30:59,631 plan for that as well. So I do appreciate your time and 1425 01:30:59,631 --> 01:31:02,134 have a great evening. >> mayor: thank you. 1426 01:31:02,134 --> 01:31:04,870 your comments have been noted by the manager and he'll be in 1427 01:31:04,870 --> 01:31:08,973 touch with you, thank you. >> no other speakers, ma'am. 1428 01:31:08,973 --> 01:31:11,643 >> mayor: all right, ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much. 1429 01:31:11,643 --> 01:31:12,000 meeting adjourned.