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>> Mayor: good evening.

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If we can all -- we'd like to

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call this meeting to order.

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Thank you.

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Roll call?

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>> commissioner joseph?

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>> here.

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>> commissioner lama?

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>> here.

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>> commissioner stuyvesant?

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>> here.

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>> vice mayor viscarra?

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>> here.

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>> mayor goldman?

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>> Mayor: here.

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>> all members present, ma'am.

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>> Mayor: pledge of allegiance?

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Will you lead us in the pledge

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of allegiance?

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[Pledge of allegiance]

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>> Mayor: approval of the

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minutes.

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Can we have a motion?

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>> motion.

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>> Mayor: so moved.

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Second, commissioner stuyvesant.

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All in favor?

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Okay.

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome

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and thank you for being here

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tonight.

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Please turn off or mute any

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electronic devices to avoid

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interrupting these proceedings.

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In all issues that MAY come

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before the city commission, we

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ask that everyone show mutual

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respect for one another, by

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listening quietly to each person

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speaking, and that everyone

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refrain from any clapping,

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heckling, or verbal outburst in

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favor or in opposition to a

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speaker.

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to chapter 74, rules of

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procedure of the code,

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particularly section 74-21,

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decorum, shall be barred from

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further appearance before the

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commission.

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any item on the agenda are asked

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to fill out a public speakers

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card and give it to the city

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clerk before the item is called.

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the issues, make comments

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duplicate comments.

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allotment the chair will advise

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you to finish your comment.

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permission from the claire or

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one warning you will be escorted

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But first, we do have the

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invocation.

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So, rabbi baron,.

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From sunny isles beach.

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>> Mayor: for your invocation.

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>> dear GOD, master of the

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universe, we stand humbled

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before you this evening, as we

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recognize all of your blessings,

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that you have bestowed upon us,

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collectively as a community, an

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individually as private

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living in a democratic country,

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have left the city with

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donnerful leadership, direction,

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dedication, guiding spirit,

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which has resulted in many

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successful achievements over the

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last 25 years here in sunny

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gathered before you this evening

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in pursuit of fulfilling your

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As you, dear GOD, empowered

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humanity with the seven basic

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universal laws, after the great

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flood of noah, these laws are

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once again reaffirmed by moses

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at mount sinai to be taught to

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all humanity.

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framework of law, order, and

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justice, which will allow

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humanity to settle the earth in

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entrusted by the citizens of

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sunny isles beach to perform

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will have a lasting impact far

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We, therefore, almighty GOD,

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please, provide us with the

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consciousness to constantly be

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aware of your presence, so that

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we are consistent to our

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intuition, and sensitivity to

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succeed so that we leave a

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legacy of having a positive

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impact upon society for many

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generations to come.

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department and city staff to

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make the right decisions with

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honesty, integrity, and

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knowledge for all citizens into

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the future.

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MAY they continue to serve as

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positive role models for our

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beautiful community almighty

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GOD, in these times we do not

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take our safety and security for

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granted.

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protect our police force, our

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servicemen and women serving

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domestically and overseas in the

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name of freedom and democracy.

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mind, insight and intuition to

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MAY everyone gathered here

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tonight, and all the residents

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of sunny isles beach, be granted

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with good health, peace of mind,

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and prosperity and let us say

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>> and as hanukkah begins this

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sunday night, also want to wish

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everyone a happy hanukkah.

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seeing everyone here an monday

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at 5:00 P.M. For the city hall

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menorah lighting.

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>> Mayor: thank you, rabbi.

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There are a few changes

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tonight's agenda as follows.

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Item 10-h resolution approving

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third amendment with granicus.

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10-I resolution authorizing

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purchase of janitorial supplies.

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10-j urging florida legislature

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to support league of cities

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ordinance approving budget

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Do I hear a motion to approve

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these changes?

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>> so moved.

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>> Mayor: so moved commissioner

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lama.

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Second vice mayor viscarra.

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All in favor.

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Special presentations.

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The 2023 photo contest winners.

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>> good evening honorable mayor,

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vice mayor and commission.

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each year the city of sunny

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isles beach holds a photo

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contest, asking residents and

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visitors to submit their best

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photos, showcasing the beauty of

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sunny isles beach.

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17 photos by 14 photographers

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were selected this year, and are

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featured in our 2023 desktop

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calendar.

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photographers living here in the

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featured in our calendar, many

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you'll see throughout the

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upcoming year on our website,

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our publications, and on our

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laura mendez, a graphic designer

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who designs our desktop calendar

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and all of our publications and

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our calendar and this year is no

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name, please come up to the

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front for your award, and stay

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here so we can all take a photo.

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Our cover photo, is by johan

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andres alzate torres.

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Johan is from colombia and has

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been living in the united states

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photography, and since moving to

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the U.S. He has been able to do

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so graduating as a photographer

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just one month ago.

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Our introduction page is mozes

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Mozes is a professional

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photographer who has been a

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resident for ten years.

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JANUARY is mat porporato.

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mat has been a resident for four

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years and loves the city of

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sunny isles beach, architecture

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is his favorite things to

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FEBRUARY is by antony broca.

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explore, have adventures and

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andres alzate torres.

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APRIL is by luz zoraida liakos.

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Luz is a proud resident from

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2012 and founds sunny isles

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beach to be an ideal place to

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MAY is another photo by mat

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JUNE is by rebecca mullen.

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Rebecca works for our code

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compliance department since

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2019.

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with the captivating views and

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community that is sunny isles

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JULY is another photo by mozes

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AUGUST is by farid alvarez.

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Born in colombia and raised in

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miami, farid is an airplane

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parts inspector who has worked

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for boeing for ten years.

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He enjoys photography as his

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If you could stay up here we're

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going to take a photo

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afterwards.

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Thanks.

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SEPTEMBER is amr elkodsh.

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OCTOBER is by ricardo tomassoni.

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Ricardo moved to sunny isles

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beach in 2000 and you'll often

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see him around the city with a

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camera photographing the beauty

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of sunny isles beach and the

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people who live here.

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[Applause]

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NOVEMBER is giovanni galvis.

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he has been a resident for seven

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years.

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He has a wife and two wonderful

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sons.

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[Applause]

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DECEMBER is by david vergel.

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David has lived in sunny isles

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beach for 15 years, and enjoys

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taking photos as a hobby.

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[Applause]

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The photography page is by --

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okay.

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The photography page is by

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christina perreira.

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Christina is a resident who

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moved here from south america.

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She is a pilot and loves to do

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photography in her free time.

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[Applause]

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The connect with us page is by

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luis eduardo martinez mejia.

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Luis was born in bogota where he

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studied photography.

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He is currently dedicated to

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painting and his photography.

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[Applause]

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And our last page is by raysa

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brito.

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Born in cuba, raysa is a wife

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and mother who has been a

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cosmetologist for 38 years.

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She has a passion for

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photography and loves to capture

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priceless moments.

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[Applause]

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Mayor commission, if you would

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coe down and we to take a

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photo.

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And when everyone leaves tonight

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you can take a free calendar in

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the back of the room.

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And you can also pick them up at

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all of our city facilities.

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We have one more award to

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present tonight.

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This year we are presenting a

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lifetime achievement award

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honoring a special resident

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artist.

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Mykola khodorovsky who passed

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away in OCTOBER of this year.

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He's been featured in our photo

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desktop calendar more than any

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other photographer.

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You've probably seen his

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beautiful photographs from the

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city's publications, website and

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social media many times.

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He also donated his framed

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photography and paintings to the

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city and our police department.

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His generosity in sharing his

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talents with our city have been

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greatly appreciated by all of us

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for many years.

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We would like to present his

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wife lyudmila, who is here with

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us tonight, with a special

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award, and gift in honor of

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mykola's artistic contributions

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to our city's image and culture

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over the years.

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[Applause]

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[Speaker off mic]

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[Applause]

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>> Mayor: okay.

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We're moving to zoning.

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>> no, mayor, we have 5-b.

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>> Mayor: 5-b?

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>> yes.

381
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>> Mayor: oh, the add-on.

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>> the add-on.

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>> Mayor: oh, the mapsac.

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Ped stan safety recommendation.

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Presented by the mobility and

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pedestrian safety advisory

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committee.

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You have the floor.

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>> thank you.

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Good evening, honorable mayor,

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vice mayor, commissioners.

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My name is pavel, I'm the chair

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of the mobility and safety

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committee.

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For the benefit of the public

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here, I'd like to state that the

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committee was formed through a

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formal application process and

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our purpose and mission is to

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promote traffic safety in our

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beautiful city, as well as

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pedestrian safety, and to

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generate and discuss ideas for

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improving traffic flow in the

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city of sunny isles beach.

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And we are volunteers,

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contributing our time,

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contributing our efforts, and

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minds, to this very important

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initiative.

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The mapsecond committee over

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past two meetings discussed the

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intersections concerning the

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protection of pedestrians

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crossing from turning vehicles.

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And we would like to highlight

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the points of automated

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enforcement using cameras and/or

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other equipment possible in

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addition to establishing this

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protection.

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There's significant evidence to

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support the idea that automated

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enforcement using traffic

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cameras that capture turn

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violations lead to safer

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crossings for pedestrians.

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In the memo that we provided,

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there's several studies.

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I'm just going to highlight a

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few numbers.

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The american journal of public

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health found that the presence

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of red light cameras lead to a

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reduction, 21% reduction, in

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pedestrian fatalities, and 14%

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reduction in pedestrian

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injuries.

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And this was from the data

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collected from 14 cities across

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the united states.

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General transport and health do

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a study of over 200 sections in

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the city in chicago found that

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these kind of automated

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enforcement cameras lead to 25%

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reduction in the number of

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crashes involving a pedestrian.

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And lastly the american journal

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of public health did a study on

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red light violations, found that

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red light violations decreased

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by up to 90%, and the number of

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crashes at intersections

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decreased by up to 30% in the

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presence of these automated

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enforcement cameras.

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So, there's significant evidence

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from formal studies, but also

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there's support in this kind of

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experience, by the residents of

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our neighboring city, the city

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of aventura, they've been very

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supportive in the red light

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cameras installed in their city,

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and if you drive through the

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city of aventura you'll notice

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that everyone there is kind of a

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model driver.

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You know, very careful in

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approaching intersections.

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Doing their proper red light

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stops, and proceeding

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thereafter.

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And so, I am here presenting

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this memo.

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If you have any questions,

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please let us know.

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But, before I conclude I'd like

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to thank you for establishing

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the mapsac committee.

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I'd like to thank the city staff

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in facilitating our meetings and

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supporting us with all the

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information that we need to have

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to proceed.

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And lastly I'd like to thank our

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mapsac committee members,

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kenneth percy, anastasia, and

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mariana, in contributing and

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working really hard.

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I know all of us are eager to

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continue in the coming year, and

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we'll look forward to

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volunteering and continuing with

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mapsac.

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Thank you.

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[Applause]

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>> Mayor: ready for our zoning

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portion?

501
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>> yes, ma'am.

502
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>> Mayor: ladies and gentlemen,

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this evening's agenda has one

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zoning application.

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In these matters, the commission

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sits in a quasi-judicial

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capacity.

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The decision of whether or not

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to approve a zoning variance is

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not a popularity contest but

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must be based upon substantial,

512
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competent evidence, as it

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presented tonight.

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If you intend to provide

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testimony on any zoning

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application, you must be sworn

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in by the city clerk, and you

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00:21:06,815 --> 00:21:08,150
should also fill out a public

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speakers card and give it to the

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city clerk before the item is

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called.

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We will first hear from city

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staff and then from the

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applicant.

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After this, I will allow anyone

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from the audience who has been

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sworn in to provide testimony.

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The zoning applicant has the

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right to cross-examine any

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witness, and for rebuttal.

531
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Please make your comments

532
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concisely.

533
00:21:29,171 --> 00:21:29,771
MR. City clerk, please read your

534
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introductory zoning statement.

535
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>> in accordance with the LDRs

536
00:21:32,708 --> 00:21:33,875
of the city of sunny isles beach

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all items to be heard today have

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been legally advertised in the

539
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newspaper, notices have been

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mailed and posted on the

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property.

542
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All persons wishing to speak at

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this hearing please raise your

544
00:21:43,318 --> 00:21:44,353
right arm to be sworn in.

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Do you swear the testimony

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00:21:45,287 --> 00:21:45,854
you're about to give is the

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truth, the whole truth and

548
00:21:46,454 --> 00:21:48,890
nothing but the truth so help

549
00:21:48,890 --> 00:21:50,890
you GOD?

550
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,960
Thank you.

551
00:21:54,663 --> 00:21:55,731
so this is an application for a

552
00:21:55,731 --> 00:21:57,799
minor site plan modification for

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the property located at 100,

554
00:22:02,304 --> 00:22:02,504
150, 200 and 300 kings point

555
00:22:02,504 --> 00:22:04,504
drive.

556
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The project known as marina del

557
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mar.

558
00:22:07,876 --> 00:22:09,377
I'm sorry.

559
00:22:09,377 --> 00:22:12,377
Before we continue, are there

560
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any ex parte communications?

561
00:22:14,883 --> 00:22:15,284
>> no.

562
00:22:15,284 --> 00:22:17,284
>> what are they?

563
00:22:23,392 --> 00:22:27,592
We have to disclose who it was?

564
00:22:28,397 --> 00:22:29,732
>> Mayor: I ask questions of --

565
00:22:29,732 --> 00:22:31,660
>> good evening mayor, vice

566
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mayor, commissioners, the zoning

567
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hearing this evening as you

568
00:22:37,773 --> 00:22:38,740
heard is a proposed site plan

569
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modification for marina del mar

570
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at 100, 150, 200 and 300 kings

571
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point drive.

572
00:22:49,718 --> 00:22:50,953
This is application pz 2022-09.

573
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It was approved for two

574
00:22:52,321 --> 00:22:53,355
apartment towers, a new

575
00:22:53,355 --> 00:22:55,560
apartment garage and remodeling

576
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of the existing apartment tower.

577
00:22:56,858 --> 00:22:58,160
The applicant is proposing four

578
00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:59,795
separate minor modifications

579
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which I will walk through now.

580
00:23:00,930 --> 00:23:02,631
And the applicant will also

581
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provide a presentation with

582
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further explanation and will

583
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also be available for questions.

584
00:23:08,671 --> 00:23:10,600
First the applicant is

585
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,942
requesting to eliminate a cable

586
00:23:12,942 --> 00:23:15,942
railing system along the water

587
00:23:16,145 --> 00:23:17,747
front of the property.

588
00:23:17,747 --> 00:23:20,747
The property has two water

589
00:23:22,685 --> 00:23:22,885
frontages at the north and

590
00:23:22,885 --> 00:23:24,885
south.

591
00:23:25,454 --> 00:23:27,757
And it's providing -- they were

592
00:23:27,757 --> 00:23:30,157
highlighted on the screen.

593
00:23:30,226 --> 00:23:31,227
So the property has two water

594
00:23:31,227 --> 00:23:32,795
frontages and is providing

595
00:23:32,795 --> 00:23:33,896
public walk that's highlighted

596
00:23:33,896 --> 00:23:35,798
along the water frontages.

597
00:23:35,798 --> 00:23:38,670
In the original site plan

598
00:23:38,670 --> 00:23:39,350
approval there was a four foot

599
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:40,303
cable railing proposed between

600
00:23:40,303 --> 00:23:41,737
the bay walk and the seawall,

601
00:23:41,737 --> 00:23:42,505
the detail of which is also

602
00:23:42,505 --> 00:23:44,307
shown on the screen.

603
00:23:44,307 --> 00:23:45,241
And the railing is not required

604
00:23:45,241 --> 00:23:47,844
by the zoning code or the

605
00:23:47,844 --> 00:23:48,878
building code.

606
00:23:48,878 --> 00:23:49,512
So the applicant is requesting

607
00:23:49,512 --> 00:23:52,247
to eliminate the cable railing

608
00:23:52,247 --> 00:23:54,830
from the plan.

609
00:23:54,830 --> 00:23:54,917
Staff does not object to this

610
00:23:54,917 --> 00:23:56,386
modification, as it is

611
00:23:56,386 --> 00:23:57,190
consistent with the city's

612
00:23:57,190 --> 00:24:00,190
comprehensive plan, and the land

613
00:24:02,725 --> 00:24:04,725
development regulations.

614
00:24:06,729 --> 00:24:08,897
Second the applicant is

615
00:24:08,897 --> 00:24:09,799
requesting to modify the

616
00:24:09,799 --> 00:24:10,233
entryway signage for the

617
00:24:10,233 --> 00:24:11,768
property.

618
00:24:11,768 --> 00:24:13,360
It's at the intersection of

619
00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:13,570
kings point drive and collins

620
00:24:13,570 --> 00:24:15,570
avenue.

621
00:24:15,572 --> 00:24:17,373
The approved site plan showed

622
00:24:17,373 --> 00:24:19,800
two blue city monument signs on

623
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:20,343
the north and south side of

624
00:24:20,343 --> 00:24:22,343
kings point drive.

625
00:24:22,445 --> 00:24:23,880
The proposed modification is to

626
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,682
install one city monument sign

627
00:24:26,682 --> 00:24:28,840
on the south side of kings point

628
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:29,185
drive, and a development sign on

629
00:24:29,185 --> 00:24:31,354
the north side of kings point

630
00:24:31,354 --> 00:24:33,123
drive.

631
00:24:33,123 --> 00:24:34,324
Staff does not object to this

632
00:24:34,324 --> 00:24:35,570
modification as it's consistent

633
00:24:35,570 --> 00:24:35,625
with the comprehensive plan, and

634
00:24:35,625 --> 00:24:38,250
the city's land development

635
00:24:41,197 --> 00:24:43,197
regulations.

636
00:24:43,533 --> 00:24:44,367
The third request is to modify a

637
00:24:44,367 --> 00:24:44,935
condition of approval from 2017,

638
00:24:44,935 --> 00:24:47,700
with regards to the project

639
00:24:47,700 --> 00:24:49,700
workforce housing.

640
00:24:51,174 --> 00:24:52,509
The project is required to

641
00:24:52,509 --> 00:24:54,509
provide 35 dedicated workforce

642
00:24:55,245 --> 00:24:57,179
housing units in the existing

643
00:24:57,179 --> 00:24:59,179
remodeled apartment building.

644
00:25:02,786 --> 00:25:04,540
Condition 22 of resolution

645
00:25:04,540 --> 00:25:05,255
17-v-161 require the development

646
00:25:05,255 --> 00:25:07,456
to record a restrictive covenant

647
00:25:07,456 --> 00:25:08,625
with the number of units to be

648
00:25:08,625 --> 00:25:10,160
dedicated to the workforce

649
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:10,426
housing program and their

650
00:25:10,426 --> 00:25:12,426
location.

651
00:25:13,864 --> 00:25:15,650
so, the resulting restrictive

652
00:25:15,650 --> 00:25:15,799
covenant would give 35 specific

653
00:25:15,799 --> 00:25:16,733
unit numbers.

654
00:25:16,733 --> 00:25:17,667
The management company would

655
00:25:17,667 --> 00:25:18,234
like a little bit more

656
00:25:18,234 --> 00:25:20,634
flexibility with regard to

657
00:25:22,303 --> 00:25:23,907
leasing the units.

658
00:25:23,907 --> 00:25:26,343
And would like to amend the

659
00:25:26,343 --> 00:25:27,977
covenant to remove the 35

660
00:25:27,977 --> 00:25:30,347
specific unit numbers, while

661
00:25:30,347 --> 00:25:33,183
maintaining the unit mix, and

662
00:25:33,183 --> 00:25:35,217
maintaining that the units will

663
00:25:35,217 --> 00:25:37,120
be located on multiple floors.

664
00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:37,788
Staff does not object to this

665
00:25:37,788 --> 00:25:39,623
modification.

666
00:25:39,623 --> 00:25:41,224
Subject to the condition that

667
00:25:41,224 --> 00:25:41,792
the applicant must record an

668
00:25:41,792 --> 00:25:44,792
amended covenant in a form

669
00:25:47,431 --> 00:25:49,967
accessible to the city attorney.

670
00:25:49,967 --> 00:25:50,801
The final and fourth

671
00:25:50,801 --> 00:25:51,401
modification, the applicant is

672
00:25:51,401 --> 00:25:53,170
requesting to construct a

673
00:25:53,170 --> 00:25:55,170
residential marina with 18

674
00:25:55,773 --> 00:25:57,773
slips.

675
00:25:59,420 --> 00:26:00,811
The property is zoned rms-2 or

676
00:26:00,811 --> 00:26:02,345
medium high density residential,

677
00:26:02,345 --> 00:26:04,745
and marinas are permitted

678
00:26:05,181 --> 00:26:05,683
accessory use in this zoning

679
00:26:05,683 --> 00:26:06,250
district to residential

680
00:26:06,250 --> 00:26:08,250
development.

681
00:26:08,252 --> 00:26:09,152
Staff has no objection to the

682
00:26:09,152 --> 00:26:10,487
marina if the condition of

683
00:26:10,487 --> 00:26:10,988
approval applies operational

684
00:26:10,988 --> 00:26:13,388
limitations such as the

685
00:26:14,257 --> 00:26:15,626
following.

686
00:26:15,626 --> 00:26:17,828
Vessel movement is to be

687
00:26:17,828 --> 00:26:19,960
restricted to the hours between

688
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,165
6:00 A.M. And 12:00 A.M. But can

689
00:26:21,165 --> 00:26:22,867
be extended in cases of

690
00:26:22,867 --> 00:26:24,735
emergency or weather events.

691
00:26:24,735 --> 00:26:27,735
No fuelling or pump-out services

692
00:26:28,506 --> 00:26:30,906
are to be provided.

693
00:26:31,842 --> 00:26:32,109
There are no live aboards

694
00:26:32,109 --> 00:26:33,377
allowed.

695
00:26:33,377 --> 00:26:34,411
Proof of living in the

696
00:26:34,411 --> 00:26:35,279
development is required for

697
00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:37,470
leasing a slip.

698
00:26:37,470 --> 00:26:38,282
Vessels cannot be rented to any

699
00:26:38,282 --> 00:26:39,383
individual for any amount of

700
00:26:39,383 --> 00:26:41,185
time or used for any commercial

701
00:26:41,185 --> 00:26:42,887
activity including jet ski

702
00:26:42,887 --> 00:26:43,721
rentals.

703
00:26:43,721 --> 00:26:47,910
That the marina must be managed

704
00:26:47,910 --> 00:26:48,658
by a dock moster.

705
00:26:48,658 --> 00:26:50,270
In working with the applicant

706
00:26:50,270 --> 00:26:51,462
and speaking with our legal

707
00:26:51,462 --> 00:26:53,862
department it was determined

708
00:26:55,298 --> 00:26:56,534
that the condition that's listed

709
00:26:56,534 --> 00:26:58,569
in the staff report providing

710
00:26:58,569 --> 00:26:59,637
for a restrictive covenant

711
00:26:59,637 --> 00:27:01,637
concerning the operational

712
00:27:01,705 --> 00:27:02,390
limitations I just described is

713
00:27:02,390 --> 00:27:03,908
not necessary.

714
00:27:03,908 --> 00:27:04,975
As the city can enforce the

715
00:27:04,975 --> 00:27:06,844
limitations that I just

716
00:27:06,844 --> 00:27:08,246
described in conditions through

717
00:27:08,246 --> 00:27:09,460
the site plan approval and

718
00:27:09,460 --> 00:27:11,460
city's code.

719
00:27:11,148 --> 00:27:11,449
With that, the applicant is

720
00:27:11,449 --> 00:27:13,449
present.

721
00:27:21,759 --> 00:27:22,326
I'm available for any questions.

722
00:27:22,326 --> 00:27:24,726
>> good evening, mayor and

723
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,168
members of the commission.

724
00:27:30,168 --> 00:27:30,435
Akerman llp representing the

725
00:27:30,435 --> 00:27:32,435
applicant.

726
00:27:33,171 --> 00:27:36,771
We have a brief presentation, if

727
00:27:41,178 --> 00:27:44,178
we could be put forward.

728
00:27:44,248 --> 00:27:45,149
Thank you.

729
00:27:45,149 --> 00:27:47,549
The planning director's report

730
00:27:47,618 --> 00:27:49,687
was very comprehensive and laid

731
00:27:49,687 --> 00:27:51,322
out all of the reasons for the

732
00:27:51,322 --> 00:27:51,956
changes that are being

733
00:27:51,956 --> 00:27:54,956
requested, and fit well within

734
00:27:57,261 --> 00:27:57,462
the provisions of the city's

735
00:27:57,462 --> 00:27:58,960
code.

736
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,696
But just to briefly repeat, next

737
00:28:02,133 --> 00:28:03,635
slide, please.

738
00:28:03,635 --> 00:28:04,769
The four changes are to

739
00:28:04,769 --> 00:28:06,537
eliminate the cable railing

740
00:28:06,537 --> 00:28:09,400
along the seawalls, to improve

741
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,409
the entryway signage, to modify

742
00:28:11,409 --> 00:28:13,177
the workforce housing covenant

743
00:28:13,177 --> 00:28:14,546
to allow greater flexibility to

744
00:28:14,546 --> 00:28:15,480
evenly distribute the units

745
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,115
throughout the building, without

746
00:28:17,115 --> 00:28:20,115
any change to the number,

747
00:28:20,352 --> 00:28:20,652
quality or type of units

748
00:28:20,652 --> 00:28:22,354
provided.

749
00:28:22,354 --> 00:28:25,156
And to construct a previously

750
00:28:25,156 --> 00:28:27,920
existing 18-slip residential

751
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,661
marina restricted to use by

752
00:28:29,661 --> 00:28:32,497
upland owners only, and subject

753
00:28:32,497 --> 00:28:34,399
to the other voluntarily

754
00:28:34,399 --> 00:28:35,467
proffered conditions, as stated

755
00:28:35,467 --> 00:28:35,699
by the planning director this

756
00:28:35,699 --> 00:28:37,699
evening.

757
00:28:38,570 --> 00:28:41,600
Before I proceed with the rest

758
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,600
of the presentation, I think

759
00:28:44,509 --> 00:28:46,377
it's important to note that the

760
00:28:46,377 --> 00:28:47,912
brunetti family has owned this

761
00:28:47,912 --> 00:28:49,780
property for nearly 40 years.

762
00:28:49,780 --> 00:28:51,683
And this is a long-term hold.

763
00:28:51,683 --> 00:28:53,585
They have redeveloped the

764
00:28:53,585 --> 00:28:55,419
property, as you know, the

765
00:28:55,419 --> 00:28:57,210
existing building, building two

766
00:28:57,210 --> 00:28:57,588
new residential rental

767
00:28:57,588 --> 00:28:58,523
buildings.

768
00:28:58,523 --> 00:29:00,125
And so they are owners.

769
00:29:00,125 --> 00:29:01,493
They are not going to be

770
00:29:01,493 --> 00:29:01,827
building it, selling it, and

771
00:29:01,827 --> 00:29:03,827
leaving town.

772
00:29:05,397 --> 00:29:05,564
They're going to be operating

773
00:29:05,564 --> 00:29:07,564
it.

774
00:29:07,966 --> 00:29:09,735
And so, they are more concerned

775
00:29:09,735 --> 00:29:10,736
than anyone that they have a

776
00:29:10,736 --> 00:29:11,690
quality property that attracts

777
00:29:11,690 --> 00:29:11,670
good tenants.

778
00:29:11,670 --> 00:29:15,640
We can go to the next slide,

779
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,175
please.

780
00:29:17,175 --> 00:29:18,577
You see number one is

781
00:29:18,577 --> 00:29:20,145
eliminating the cable railings

782
00:29:20,145 --> 00:29:21,178
that were in the original

783
00:29:21,178 --> 00:29:23,178
approved plan.

784
00:29:25,183 --> 00:29:25,551
This shows the site behind the

785
00:29:25,551 --> 00:29:26,151
building today.

786
00:29:26,151 --> 00:29:28,151
Next slide, please.

787
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:29,420
The improved signage, which I

788
00:29:29,420 --> 00:29:30,923
think the planning director has

789
00:29:30,923 --> 00:29:31,590
already explained to you, so we

790
00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:35,790
go to the next slide which also

791
00:29:36,161 --> 00:29:38,697
shows the signage, as well.

792
00:29:38,697 --> 00:29:41,366
And then if we can go to the

793
00:29:41,366 --> 00:29:43,602
next slide, and I think the

794
00:29:43,602 --> 00:29:44,937
planning director again, has

795
00:29:44,937 --> 00:29:45,804
succinctly explained the

796
00:29:45,804 --> 00:29:46,772
modifications to the workforce

797
00:29:46,772 --> 00:29:47,472
housing covenant.

798
00:29:47,472 --> 00:29:48,730
So I won't take your time in

799
00:29:48,730 --> 00:29:49,174
going through that further at

800
00:29:49,174 --> 00:29:51,174
this moment.

801
00:29:53,178 --> 00:29:54,646
next slide, please.

802
00:29:54,646 --> 00:29:56,646
The residential marina.

803
00:29:58,150 --> 00:29:59,618
As was mentioned, or as you MAY

804
00:29:59,618 --> 00:30:00,452
know, there has always been,

805
00:30:00,452 --> 00:30:02,852
historically on this property,

806
00:30:04,456 --> 00:30:05,858
and operating marina, which was

807
00:30:05,858 --> 00:30:07,927
destroyed during a hurricane,

808
00:30:07,927 --> 00:30:09,610
and now they are seeking to

809
00:30:09,610 --> 00:30:10,461
rebuild it.

810
00:30:10,461 --> 00:30:12,131
It is, of course, a permitted

811
00:30:12,131 --> 00:30:12,398
accessory use to a residential

812
00:30:12,398 --> 00:30:14,398
property.

813
00:30:15,935 --> 00:30:17,736
Next slide, please.

814
00:30:17,736 --> 00:30:20,939
And besides if they didn't have

815
00:30:20,939 --> 00:30:23,742
a marina they'd have to change

816
00:30:23,742 --> 00:30:23,909
it from marina del mar to del

817
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:25,377
mar.

818
00:30:25,377 --> 00:30:27,313
That's one of the attractive

819
00:30:27,313 --> 00:30:27,846
things is that it's a beautiful

820
00:30:27,846 --> 00:30:28,614
waterfront property.

821
00:30:28,614 --> 00:30:28,980
There you see where the marina

822
00:30:28,980 --> 00:30:30,980
will be located.

823
00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:34,420
Next slide, please.

824
00:30:34,420 --> 00:30:37,420
And then the next slide.

825
00:30:37,923 --> 00:30:38,658
This one, as you see, the use is

826
00:30:38,658 --> 00:30:40,658
permitted by-right.

827
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:42,280
Wet dockage of moorage or

828
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,280
private noncommercial pleasure

829
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:44,597
craft in connection with any

830
00:30:44,597 --> 00:30:45,464
residential use.

831
00:30:45,464 --> 00:30:48,567
And this is strictly limited to

832
00:30:48,567 --> 00:30:50,567
residential use.

833
00:30:55,700 --> 00:30:56,475
So the proposed marina is

834
00:30:56,475 --> 00:30:58,578
consistent with the definition

835
00:30:58,578 --> 00:31:00,313
and will serve as permitted

836
00:31:00,313 --> 00:31:00,912
by-right accessory use to the

837
00:31:00,912 --> 00:31:01,214
upland residential property.

838
00:31:01,214 --> 00:31:03,214
Next slide.

839
00:31:03,382 --> 00:31:04,116
I won't repeat everything the

840
00:31:04,116 --> 00:31:04,750
planning director said but this

841
00:31:04,750 --> 00:31:07,750
slide sets forth the conditions

842
00:31:08,588 --> 00:31:09,789
that we have agreed to.

843
00:31:09,789 --> 00:31:12,825
And that have been as verbally

844
00:31:12,825 --> 00:31:13,226
stated this evening by the

845
00:31:13,226 --> 00:31:15,226
planning director.

846
00:31:17,563 --> 00:31:18,364
Next slide, please.

847
00:31:18,364 --> 00:31:22,564
As I think you are aware, that

848
00:31:22,669 --> 00:31:23,301
the city's scope of review is

849
00:31:23,301 --> 00:31:26,706
limited to the site plan review

850
00:31:26,706 --> 00:31:28,274
criteria.

851
00:31:28,274 --> 00:31:29,641
city staff has determined that

852
00:31:29,641 --> 00:31:31,277
all of the applicant's

853
00:31:31,277 --> 00:31:33,178
proposals, including the marina,

854
00:31:33,178 --> 00:31:34,948
are minor site plan

855
00:31:34,948 --> 00:31:36,549
modifications, that are in

856
00:31:36,549 --> 00:31:37,216
compliance with the relevant

857
00:31:37,216 --> 00:31:40,216
code criteria, and could have

858
00:31:40,220 --> 00:31:41,988
been approved administratively.

859
00:31:41,988 --> 00:31:44,190
The city manager has elected to

860
00:31:44,190 --> 00:31:47,260
seek your input on this.

861
00:31:47,260 --> 00:31:49,195
And finally, next slide.

862
00:31:49,195 --> 00:31:52,165
Just to repeat some of the

863
00:31:52,165 --> 00:31:53,432
history on this, the proposed

864
00:31:53,432 --> 00:31:55,535
marina replaces what was a

865
00:31:55,535 --> 00:31:56,169
longtime existing marina that

866
00:31:56,169 --> 00:31:59,169
was destroyed by hurricane wilma

867
00:31:59,572 --> 00:32:01,207
in 2005.

868
00:32:01,207 --> 00:32:03,607
This marina fulfills the

869
00:32:05,178 --> 00:32:08,178
complete vision of the wider

870
00:32:09,246 --> 00:32:09,358
recently reinvigorated marina

871
00:32:09,358 --> 00:32:09,434
del mar project.

872
00:32:09,434 --> 00:32:10,550
And, in fact, enhances the

873
00:32:10,550 --> 00:32:13,186
quality of the project and the

874
00:32:13,186 --> 00:32:13,920
quality of the residential

875
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,588
environment at the marina.

876
00:32:15,588 --> 00:32:17,424
The marina was in continuous

877
00:32:17,424 --> 00:32:18,580
operation for nearly 40 years

878
00:32:18,580 --> 00:32:21,460
before it was destroyed by the

879
00:32:21,460 --> 00:32:22,963
hurricane.

880
00:32:22,963 --> 00:32:25,565
Even after the hurricane, the

881
00:32:25,565 --> 00:32:27,334
applicant has paid taxes on the

882
00:32:27,334 --> 00:32:30,334
marina, since it was destroyed.

883
00:32:31,204 --> 00:32:32,672
The applicant has prioritized

884
00:32:32,672 --> 00:32:33,740
upland redevelopment and the

885
00:32:33,740 --> 00:32:35,675
fortified seawall and now seek

886
00:32:35,675 --> 00:32:36,276
to reinvest in the marina, as

887
00:32:36,276 --> 00:32:38,276
well.

888
00:32:39,946 --> 00:32:40,480
And finally, miami-dade county

889
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:41,848
environmental resources

890
00:32:41,848 --> 00:32:43,182
management has performed a

891
00:32:43,182 --> 00:32:45,582
preliminary review of the

892
00:32:46,530 --> 00:32:46,619
proposed marina, and confirmed

893
00:32:46,619 --> 00:32:47,860
its consistency with key

894
00:32:47,860 --> 00:32:49,860
regulatory provisions.

895
00:32:49,455 --> 00:32:51,455
Next slide.

896
00:32:51,491 --> 00:32:53,527
So with that we ask for your

897
00:32:53,527 --> 00:32:54,628
approval for these minor

898
00:32:54,628 --> 00:32:56,262
modifications.

899
00:32:56,262 --> 00:33:00,367
Wth me this evening, as well, a

900
00:33:00,367 --> 00:33:02,767
representative of the ownership

901
00:33:03,270 --> 00:33:04,671
of the property, don dissinger,

902
00:33:04,671 --> 00:33:05,572
and richard roth.

903
00:33:05,572 --> 00:33:08,410
We're available to answer any

904
00:33:08,410 --> 00:33:08,675
questions you have and if

905
00:33:08,675 --> 00:33:09,176
necessary would request brief

906
00:33:09,176 --> 00:33:09,610
response to any comment.

907
00:33:09,610 --> 00:33:11,979
Thank you very much.

908
00:33:11,979 --> 00:33:12,579
Yes, sir?

909
00:33:12,579 --> 00:33:15,579
>> my first question would be

910
00:33:19,953 --> 00:33:20,187
regarding the railing on the

911
00:33:20,187 --> 00:33:21,188
seawall.

912
00:33:21,188 --> 00:33:22,322
Since it was your idea to have

913
00:33:22,322 --> 00:33:22,890
it originally, what was the

914
00:33:22,890 --> 00:33:25,290
reasoning behind having the

915
00:33:26,326 --> 00:33:27,394
railing?

916
00:33:27,394 --> 00:33:30,994
>> I might ask don to come

917
00:33:32,433 --> 00:33:34,134
forward.

918
00:33:34,134 --> 00:33:36,937
I think, I think, commissioner,

919
00:33:36,937 --> 00:33:40,537
that was before they were really

920
00:33:40,707 --> 00:33:41,175
focusing on the development of

921
00:33:41,175 --> 00:33:42,976
marina.

922
00:33:42,976 --> 00:33:45,279
And when they got to the point

923
00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:46,280
of deciding they were going to

924
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,280
redevelop the previously

925
00:33:48,315 --> 00:33:49,350
existing marina, then that

926
00:33:49,350 --> 00:33:49,717
wouldn't be an appropriate

927
00:33:49,717 --> 00:33:51,717
placement there.

928
00:33:55,210 --> 00:33:57,210
Don?

929
00:33:59,627 --> 00:34:01,461
>> we have some public speakers.

930
00:34:01,461 --> 00:34:01,762
So, we can do the public

931
00:34:01,762 --> 00:34:03,762
speakers --

932
00:34:04,464 --> 00:34:06,233
>> you want to hold off on that?

933
00:34:06,233 --> 00:34:06,600
>> yeah, we can proceed with the

934
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:07,330
public speakers.

935
00:34:07,330 --> 00:34:07,668
>> sorry, gentlemen.

936
00:34:07,668 --> 00:34:10,680
>> Mayor: we'll ask questions.

937
00:34:11,405 --> 00:34:13,405
We'll ask questions.

938
00:34:13,808 --> 00:34:16,808
Okay, well first public speaker

939
00:34:17,177 --> 00:34:19,177
is don dissinger.

940
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:20,481
There you go.

941
00:34:20,481 --> 00:34:20,681
You didn't have a long ride

942
00:34:20,681 --> 00:34:20,881
there.

943
00:34:20,881 --> 00:34:22,881
Okay.

944
00:34:25,152 --> 00:34:25,953
>> so I was sworn in earlier.

945
00:34:25,953 --> 00:34:26,687
I did submit my --

946
00:34:26,687 --> 00:34:29,687
>> Mayor: state your name and

947
00:34:30,824 --> 00:34:31,459
address for the record.

948
00:34:31,459 --> 00:34:33,194
>> I'm don dissinger residence

949
00:34:33,194 --> 00:34:35,594
is 100 kings point drive.

950
00:34:37,898 --> 00:34:39,767
In sunny isles beach.

951
00:34:39,767 --> 00:34:41,802
and I am the chief development

952
00:34:41,802 --> 00:34:44,202
officer for the brunetti

953
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:46,474
organization and have been

954
00:34:46,474 --> 00:34:49,474
involved with this project since

955
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:52,779
2016, in various iterations of

956
00:34:52,779 --> 00:34:54,779
development.

957
00:34:55,616 --> 00:34:58,616
So, to address your question,

958
00:34:58,619 --> 00:35:01,189
MR. Joseph, so, in the course of

959
00:35:01,189 --> 00:35:04,189
developing the project in the

960
00:35:05,159 --> 00:35:07,559
early submissions, the landscape

961
00:35:07,895 --> 00:35:08,495
architect proposed the railings

962
00:35:08,495 --> 00:35:10,431
as part of the overall design.

963
00:35:10,431 --> 00:35:11,933
By the time we developed both

964
00:35:11,933 --> 00:35:13,768
the towers, and all of the

965
00:35:13,768 --> 00:35:15,203
platforms for the tower, all of

966
00:35:15,203 --> 00:35:17,171
the safety issues that would be

967
00:35:17,171 --> 00:35:18,940
related to the higher level

968
00:35:18,940 --> 00:35:20,241
buildings were built into the

969
00:35:20,241 --> 00:35:21,442
building, so we have glass

970
00:35:21,442 --> 00:35:22,710
railings around all the

971
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:25,212
buildings, and what we've seen

972
00:35:25,212 --> 00:35:29,412
in the other areas in town is

973
00:35:31,886 --> 00:35:33,955
that there's a lot of use along

974
00:35:33,955 --> 00:35:36,291
the fortified seawalls where

975
00:35:36,291 --> 00:35:38,126
people are enjoying firing and

976
00:35:38,126 --> 00:35:39,494
doing other things, so we saw

977
00:35:39,494 --> 00:35:41,950
that as an amenity to the

978
00:35:41,950 --> 00:35:42,163
community now that we have the

979
00:35:42,163 --> 00:35:43,310
easement for the bay walk around

980
00:35:43,310 --> 00:35:45,310
all our properties.

981
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:46,668
And we see a lot of dog walking,

982
00:35:46,668 --> 00:35:48,603
fishing, and things like that

983
00:35:48,603 --> 00:35:50,603
already going on.

984
00:35:50,672 --> 00:35:53,174
So our thought was, it's not

985
00:35:53,174 --> 00:35:54,442
being required to enhance the

986
00:35:54,442 --> 00:35:56,677
amenity of the new seawalls,

987
00:35:56,677 --> 00:35:57,612
which are elevated higher than

988
00:35:57,612 --> 00:35:59,580
the other seawalls, and quite

989
00:35:59,580 --> 00:36:01,181
safe in terms of flooding and

990
00:36:01,181 --> 00:36:01,983
everything else, it's just a

991
00:36:01,983 --> 00:36:04,419
better look and feel for the

992
00:36:04,419 --> 00:36:06,819
overall community, we thought.

993
00:36:07,922 --> 00:36:10,240
And that was our reason for not

994
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:12,240
building that railing.

995
00:36:12,626 --> 00:36:14,262
>> so the original idea of the

996
00:36:14,262 --> 00:36:15,230
railing, it was for fancy rather

997
00:36:15,230 --> 00:36:17,230
than safety?

998
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:23,772
>> no, I think ultimately, and I

999
00:36:23,772 --> 00:36:24,305
can't speak for our landscape

1000
00:36:24,305 --> 00:36:25,173
architect, but I think in

1001
00:36:25,173 --> 00:36:28,310
general he felt that it was

1002
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:30,245
required.

1003
00:36:30,245 --> 00:36:31,312
And we learned long after that

1004
00:36:31,312 --> 00:36:33,312
that it wasn't.

1005
00:36:34,683 --> 00:36:36,685
And then when we saw the use of

1006
00:36:36,685 --> 00:36:38,453
the bay walk, we felt it would

1007
00:36:38,453 --> 00:36:40,489
be better to allow it for

1008
00:36:40,489 --> 00:36:44,689
people -- and I will be honest,

1009
00:36:44,793 --> 00:36:46,428
fishing is a big thing around

1010
00:36:46,428 --> 00:36:47,763
saul of those areas so we see a

1011
00:36:47,763 --> 00:36:48,931
lot of people coming to our

1012
00:36:48,931 --> 00:36:49,498
property to do those things.

1013
00:36:49,498 --> 00:36:53,980
So that's, I think, how it

1014
00:36:53,167 --> 00:36:55,167
evolved.

1015
00:36:55,170 --> 00:36:57,170
>> okay.

1016
00:36:57,973 --> 00:36:59,374
So, how do you plan on keeping

1017
00:36:59,374 --> 00:37:00,642
small children away from the

1018
00:37:00,642 --> 00:37:02,744
edge of the seawall?

1019
00:37:02,744 --> 00:37:05,744
>> well, we have about anywhere

1020
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,118
from six to ten inches of rise

1021
00:37:09,118 --> 00:37:11,186
there, along the bay walk.

1022
00:37:11,186 --> 00:37:12,421
And it seems like all the other

1023
00:37:12,421 --> 00:37:14,757
bay walks, even right adjacent

1024
00:37:14,757 --> 00:37:16,240
to us, where we have the

1025
00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:18,160
children's park, there's a good

1026
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,662
10 feet of space, which is used

1027
00:37:20,662 --> 00:37:23,662
by families walking dogs and

1028
00:37:24,566 --> 00:37:26,966
things, between poinciana and

1029
00:37:27,569 --> 00:37:27,836
ours, that have very similar

1030
00:37:27,836 --> 00:37:29,836
situation.

1031
00:37:29,905 --> 00:37:32,541
So I think it's -- I think it's

1032
00:37:32,541 --> 00:37:33,742
a fairly safe environment.

1033
00:37:33,742 --> 00:37:35,144
>> so this railing wouldn't in

1034
00:37:35,144 --> 00:37:37,179
any way keep children away from

1035
00:37:37,179 --> 00:37:39,179
the seawall?

1036
00:37:40,115 --> 00:37:42,170
>> it might.

1037
00:37:42,170 --> 00:37:44,420
But I think the curb itself

1038
00:37:44,420 --> 00:37:47,420
keeps them on the walkway.

1039
00:37:48,724 --> 00:37:50,559
The bulkhead itself is too deep.

1040
00:37:50,559 --> 00:37:54,159
So, it just seems similar to

1041
00:37:54,296 --> 00:37:55,264
what we've seen elsewhere in the

1042
00:37:55,264 --> 00:37:56,765
city on sunny isles beach.

1043
00:37:56,765 --> 00:37:59,501
And we think it's kind of

1044
00:37:59,501 --> 00:38:01,300
compatible with the way people

1045
00:38:01,300 --> 00:38:01,370
use the edge, the water edge in

1046
00:38:01,370 --> 00:38:03,370
the community.

1047
00:38:07,743 --> 00:38:09,780
>> no, I understand that on many

1048
00:38:09,780 --> 00:38:10,546
seawalls there is no, you know,

1049
00:38:10,546 --> 00:38:12,781
any barrier for children.

1050
00:38:12,781 --> 00:38:15,851
But since you already have it

1051
00:38:15,851 --> 00:38:17,119
incorporated in your plan, I was

1052
00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:19,388
just thinking, you know, if it

1053
00:38:19,388 --> 00:38:21,190
is -- if there is any type of

1054
00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:22,592
safety involved with it, why

1055
00:38:22,592 --> 00:38:24,360
remove it?

1056
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:25,595
>> we discussed that with our

1057
00:38:25,595 --> 00:38:25,895
in-house insurance and

1058
00:38:25,895 --> 00:38:27,330
everything.

1059
00:38:27,330 --> 00:38:29,332
We think it's reasonably safe as

1060
00:38:29,332 --> 00:38:31,332
it's currently designed.

1061
00:38:31,733 --> 00:38:31,901
Which is why we asked to remove

1062
00:38:31,901 --> 00:38:32,134
it.

1063
00:38:32,134 --> 00:38:33,135
>> okay.

1064
00:38:33,135 --> 00:38:33,402
I appreciate it.

1065
00:38:33,402 --> 00:38:35,402
Thank you.

1066
00:38:38,141 --> 00:38:40,141
>> thank you.

1067
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:44,514
Any other questions for me?

1068
00:38:44,514 --> 00:38:45,470
>> Mayor: you want to -- we'll

1069
00:38:45,470 --> 00:38:45,314
continue with the public

1070
00:38:45,314 --> 00:38:47,314
speakers.

1071
00:38:53,189 --> 00:38:54,857
Thank you.

1072
00:38:54,857 --> 00:38:55,424
-- rafael.

1073
00:38:55,424 --> 00:38:58,424
Please state your name and

1074
00:39:01,663 --> 00:39:02,331
address for the record.

1075
00:39:02,331 --> 00:39:05,331
>> I'm a resident of poinciana.

1076
00:39:09,172 --> 00:39:11,172
Sunny isles beach.

1077
00:39:13,176 --> 00:39:15,176
Rafael masterson.

1078
00:39:15,744 --> 00:39:16,745
I'm actually right across the

1079
00:39:16,745 --> 00:39:18,745
plan marina.

1080
00:39:18,947 --> 00:39:21,117
So maybe one of the questions I

1081
00:39:21,117 --> 00:39:21,885
have is obviously very

1082
00:39:21,885 --> 00:39:23,453
concerning to have that

1083
00:39:23,453 --> 00:39:24,870
construction, so wondering how

1084
00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:27,687
long that project will last, if

1085
00:39:28,158 --> 00:39:29,526
it is to be approved.

1086
00:39:29,526 --> 00:39:29,926
If I could get someone to

1087
00:39:29,926 --> 00:39:31,226
comment?

1088
00:39:31,226 --> 00:39:33,196
>> Mayor: go ahead.

1089
00:39:33,196 --> 00:39:36,196
We've had our seawall under

1090
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:37,534
construction for quite some

1091
00:39:37,534 --> 00:39:38,101
time.

1092
00:39:38,101 --> 00:39:38,735
>> right.

1093
00:39:38,735 --> 00:39:41,171
>> Mayor: perhaps I don't know

1094
00:39:41,171 --> 00:39:45,371
if you'd like to address that or

1095
00:39:49,212 --> 00:39:49,379
answer that question?

1096
00:39:49,379 --> 00:39:49,779
>>.

1097
00:39:49,779 --> 00:39:50,280
[Speaker off mic]

1098
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,280
>> Mayor: six months.

1099
00:39:52,781 --> 00:39:54,840
>> so as you know from my

1100
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:55,752
experience living in the same

1101
00:39:55,752 --> 00:39:57,654
place, it took six months just

1102
00:39:57,654 --> 00:39:58,888
to get the permit, after permit,

1103
00:39:58,888 --> 00:40:02,488
after permit to get it done.

1104
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:03,680
It took basically more than a

1105
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:03,860
year.

1106
00:40:03,860 --> 00:40:04,161
And I only moved in this year to

1107
00:40:04,161 --> 00:40:06,960
sunny isles.

1108
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:06,329
So that was one, my first

1109
00:40:06,329 --> 00:40:08,329
concern.

1110
00:40:08,965 --> 00:40:12,369
The second one we only are now

1111
00:40:12,369 --> 00:40:13,804
in our island 43 boats.

1112
00:40:13,804 --> 00:40:16,206
And the concern is safety.

1113
00:40:16,206 --> 00:40:18,975
So how is adding 18 boats will

1114
00:40:18,975 --> 00:40:20,410
increase the safety of manatees,

1115
00:40:20,410 --> 00:40:22,312
that's clearly not clear to me.

1116
00:40:22,312 --> 00:40:25,912
>> Mayor: yeah, I mean for me,

1117
00:40:26,783 --> 00:40:27,617
you know, I know this was

1118
00:40:27,617 --> 00:40:28,840
articulated, but the 18 slips

1119
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:29,185
were already there.

1120
00:40:29,185 --> 00:40:32,785
I mean, this was already a

1121
00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:34,925
permitted item.

1122
00:40:34,925 --> 00:40:35,859
Right?

1123
00:40:35,859 --> 00:40:37,594
So it's not like they just --

1124
00:40:37,594 --> 00:40:39,994
they're creating 18 new slips.

1125
00:40:41,532 --> 00:40:43,667
Yes, there was a force majeure

1126
00:40:43,667 --> 00:40:45,350
event that created that -- that

1127
00:40:45,350 --> 00:40:45,668
demolished that or eviscerated

1128
00:40:45,668 --> 00:40:47,668
the permit.

1129
00:40:51,208 --> 00:40:52,750
But there were pre-existing 18

1130
00:40:52,750 --> 00:40:53,644
permitted slips before or when

1131
00:40:53,644 --> 00:40:55,644
we had ours.

1132
00:40:56,180 --> 00:40:56,980
So, you know, I'm not sure I see

1133
00:40:56,980 --> 00:40:59,380
that as a --

1134
00:40:59,783 --> 00:41:01,752
>> I mean I'm just concerned, if

1135
00:41:01,752 --> 00:41:03,153
I'm being not allowed to put a

1136
00:41:03,153 --> 00:41:05,188
boat on my pier, which I have a

1137
00:41:05,188 --> 00:41:07,570
permit to have one, and I have

1138
00:41:07,570 --> 00:41:08,559
one built, and at the same time

1139
00:41:08,559 --> 00:41:10,959
we're hearing about 18 more

1140
00:41:10,961 --> 00:41:12,960
boats, much larger than what I'm

1141
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:13,330
planning to get, and that

1142
00:41:13,330 --> 00:41:14,865
suddenly is allowed.

1143
00:41:14,865 --> 00:41:16,000
>> Mayor: is that boat -- I

1144
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:16,600
guess the -- I guess the

1145
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,200
question then is, I mean, is

1146
00:41:24,675 --> 00:41:26,430
there any -- I mean is there

1147
00:41:26,430 --> 00:41:28,450
any -- what would the poinciana

1148
00:41:28,450 --> 00:41:29,145
marine slip permitting is that

1149
00:41:29,145 --> 00:41:29,747
related at all to the marina del

1150
00:41:29,747 --> 00:41:31,147
mar permitting?

1151
00:41:31,147 --> 00:41:33,284
isn't that part of your own --

1152
00:41:33,284 --> 00:41:33,484
isn't that part of your own site

1153
00:41:33,484 --> 00:41:35,419
plan?

1154
00:41:35,419 --> 00:41:35,719
>> I can't speak as to their

1155
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,719
permitting.

1156
00:41:38,788 --> 00:41:39,857
But mayor, as you pointed out,

1157
00:41:39,857 --> 00:41:41,192
"a," there was historically this

1158
00:41:41,192 --> 00:41:44,192
marina there for many, many

1159
00:41:46,664 --> 00:41:48,365
years, for decades.

1160
00:41:48,365 --> 00:41:49,650
"b," remember, derm has already

1161
00:41:49,650 --> 00:41:50,367
preliminarily approved that.

1162
00:41:50,367 --> 00:41:52,680
And derm is one of the first

1163
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,473
things they assessed is if there

1164
00:41:55,473 --> 00:41:56,173
would be any impact on manatee

1165
00:41:56,173 --> 00:41:58,173
and seagrasses.

1166
00:41:58,308 --> 00:41:58,976
So derm has approved it.

1167
00:41:58,976 --> 00:42:01,376
It's historically been there.

1168
00:42:01,379 --> 00:42:03,800
It's not changing in any way the

1169
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:03,381
intensity of what has been

1170
00:42:03,381 --> 00:42:04,915
there.

1171
00:42:04,915 --> 00:42:07,184
>> Mayor: for me that was the

1172
00:42:07,184 --> 00:42:07,952
first question that I had.

1173
00:42:07,952 --> 00:42:10,821
Like, you know, well where do

1174
00:42:10,821 --> 00:42:11,788
these marina slips come?

1175
00:42:11,788 --> 00:42:12,723
That's why I asked the owner's

1176
00:42:12,723 --> 00:42:13,658
rep about that.

1177
00:42:13,658 --> 00:42:14,959
Then from at least what the

1178
00:42:14,959 --> 00:42:15,593
information that I got was that

1179
00:42:15,593 --> 00:42:18,896
these 18 slips were around for a

1180
00:42:18,896 --> 00:42:20,896
long time.

1181
00:42:20,932 --> 00:42:21,899
>> is there any way to get this

1182
00:42:21,899 --> 00:42:23,899
information publicly available

1183
00:42:26,337 --> 00:42:28,973
for us so we can actually

1184
00:42:28,973 --> 00:42:30,441
somehow study showing us in

1185
00:42:30,441 --> 00:42:32,900
addition to the 43 we have,

1186
00:42:32,900 --> 00:42:33,845
which is very limited us as a

1187
00:42:33,845 --> 00:42:35,279
residence of poinciana island,

1188
00:42:35,279 --> 00:42:36,481
and at the same time there's 18

1189
00:42:36,481 --> 00:42:39,283
more and that's obviously would

1190
00:42:39,283 --> 00:42:41,686
be safe, so just in this isle

1191
00:42:41,686 --> 00:42:42,854
which is really where I live,

1192
00:42:42,854 --> 00:42:44,622
suddenly adding 18 more boats,

1193
00:42:44,622 --> 00:42:48,126
much bigger than what we have in

1194
00:42:48,126 --> 00:42:49,494
any one of the residence there,

1195
00:42:49,494 --> 00:42:51,729
suddenly this make the safety of

1196
00:42:51,729 --> 00:42:53,597
manatees fine, compared to add

1197
00:42:53,597 --> 00:42:54,232
one or two boats more in our

1198
00:42:54,232 --> 00:42:56,301
island that is completely at the

1199
00:42:56,301 --> 00:42:58,301
moment restricted.

1200
00:42:58,503 --> 00:43:00,672
So to me, there's a proportion

1201
00:43:00,672 --> 00:43:02,474
that would make no sense to me

1202
00:43:02,474 --> 00:43:05,474
that 18 larger boats would keep

1203
00:43:07,111 --> 00:43:08,813
the manatees safe, which is

1204
00:43:08,813 --> 00:43:11,813
definitely an intent, to keep

1205
00:43:12,882 --> 00:43:12,991
them safe.

1206
00:43:12,991 --> 00:43:13,670
Not very clear to me how that's

1207
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:13,985
being allowed, and what is

1208
00:43:13,985 --> 00:43:15,820
available for us as the public

1209
00:43:15,820 --> 00:43:19,420
to see and basically comment, or

1210
00:43:19,691 --> 00:43:19,991
at least understand better the

1211
00:43:19,991 --> 00:43:20,859
information.

1212
00:43:20,859 --> 00:43:21,859
The fact, you know, the numbers

1213
00:43:21,859 --> 00:43:22,694
which I have not seen anything

1214
00:43:22,694 --> 00:43:24,195
like that published.

1215
00:43:24,195 --> 00:43:24,562
>> Mayor: again, you can

1216
00:43:24,562 --> 00:43:25,997
respond.

1217
00:43:25,997 --> 00:43:28,432
But again, I think they're

1218
00:43:28,432 --> 00:43:29,167
separate -- I think it's a

1219
00:43:29,167 --> 00:43:29,634
separate consideration.

1220
00:43:29,634 --> 00:43:29,834
Or no?

1221
00:43:29,834 --> 00:43:31,834
I --

1222
00:43:33,638 --> 00:43:34,206
>> mayor, also, just for the

1223
00:43:34,206 --> 00:43:37,206
record, the derm report and

1224
00:43:37,876 --> 00:43:39,210
analysis is a public record.

1225
00:43:39,210 --> 00:43:41,179
And their finding is that it is

1226
00:43:41,179 --> 00:43:42,947
consistent with the manatee

1227
00:43:42,947 --> 00:43:44,583
protection plan.

1228
00:43:44,583 --> 00:43:46,584
Those of you, I think mayor

1229
00:43:46,584 --> 00:43:48,720
you're well familiar with it,

1230
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:49,921
derm is not an easy agency.

1231
00:43:49,921 --> 00:43:51,220
If there were any problem they

1232
00:43:51,220 --> 00:43:51,823
would let us know.

1233
00:43:51,823 --> 00:43:53,358
It's all public record.

1234
00:43:53,358 --> 00:43:54,226
It's all available to you.

1235
00:43:54,226 --> 00:43:54,659
It's all consistent with the

1236
00:43:54,659 --> 00:43:56,659
manatee protection.

1237
00:43:59,970 --> 00:44:01,933
>> and it's online, as well.

1238
00:44:01,933 --> 00:44:03,868
>> Mayor: so is there any way --

1239
00:44:03,868 --> 00:44:05,669
can you indicate where that can

1240
00:44:05,669 --> 00:44:06,571
be obtained, if this gentleman

1241
00:44:06,571 --> 00:44:08,240
is interested in that?

1242
00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:08,974
>> sure.

1243
00:44:08,974 --> 00:44:09,574
If he gives me his contact

1244
00:44:09,574 --> 00:44:12,574
information I'll send him the

1245
00:44:13,812 --> 00:44:15,812
contact.

1246
00:44:16,248 --> 00:44:16,747
>> Mayor: and absolutely

1247
00:44:16,747 --> 00:44:19,147
cognizant of your items

1248
00:44:21,186 --> 00:44:23,186
presented.

1249
00:44:24,690 --> 00:44:27,920
>> -- six months is there any

1250
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:28,260
way, six months rather than --

1251
00:44:28,260 --> 00:44:30,362
because obviously I'm going to

1252
00:44:30,362 --> 00:44:32,731
live for the next many months to

1253
00:44:32,731 --> 00:44:35,767
come, so is there any way to

1254
00:44:35,767 --> 00:44:38,300
create some sort of contract, or

1255
00:44:38,300 --> 00:44:39,237
the contract that would have a

1256
00:44:39,237 --> 00:44:40,806
very significant penalty in

1257
00:44:40,806 --> 00:44:42,806
case --

1258
00:44:43,342 --> 00:44:43,542
>> Mayor: I can't speak for the

1259
00:44:43,542 --> 00:44:45,542
owner.

1260
00:44:47,646 --> 00:44:49,448
But I will say that their

1261
00:44:49,448 --> 00:44:51,150
construction has been overall,

1262
00:44:51,150 --> 00:44:54,150
and their deliverables on a

1263
00:44:55,987 --> 00:44:56,255
timely manner, has been

1264
00:44:56,255 --> 00:44:57,889
exemplary.

1265
00:44:57,889 --> 00:44:59,958
I have to say their experience

1266
00:44:59,958 --> 00:45:01,192
has been -- I think they've -- I

1267
00:45:01,192 --> 00:45:02,961
think they've really performed

1268
00:45:02,961 --> 00:45:04,596
on their time lines.

1269
00:45:04,596 --> 00:45:07,299
>> I trust what you're saying.

1270
00:45:07,299 --> 00:45:08,666
But is there any way to include

1271
00:45:08,666 --> 00:45:10,468
some sort of a, you know, time

1272
00:45:10,468 --> 00:45:14,680
limits for them to complete that

1273
00:45:14,106 --> 00:45:15,707
within "x" number of months, and

1274
00:45:15,707 --> 00:45:16,375
basically make it accountable

1275
00:45:16,375 --> 00:45:18,375
for that.

1276
00:45:19,244 --> 00:45:20,446
>> if I could say, as with any

1277
00:45:20,446 --> 00:45:21,780
construction there's always

1278
00:45:21,780 --> 00:45:23,348
unforeseeable -- so that

1279
00:45:23,348 --> 00:45:23,682
wouldn't be anything that would

1280
00:45:23,682 --> 00:45:24,749
be feasible.

1281
00:45:24,749 --> 00:45:25,818
>> Mayor: I don't know if you

1282
00:45:25,818 --> 00:45:27,860
want to address that.

1283
00:45:27,860 --> 00:45:28,787
It's not really, it's not within

1284
00:45:28,787 --> 00:45:31,787
the scope of our inquiry.

1285
00:45:32,124 --> 00:45:32,725
I mean, that's beyond, you

1286
00:45:32,725 --> 00:45:33,926
know -- the expectations are

1287
00:45:33,926 --> 00:45:34,527
when they're going to complete

1288
00:45:34,527 --> 00:45:35,895
their construction.

1289
00:45:35,895 --> 00:45:37,163
>> precisely, mayor.

1290
00:45:37,163 --> 00:45:37,997
You pointed that out.

1291
00:45:37,997 --> 00:45:38,530
This is the province of the

1292
00:45:38,530 --> 00:45:40,930
building official in the

1293
00:45:43,350 --> 00:45:44,804
building department.

1294
00:45:44,804 --> 00:45:45,137
Follow their procedures and

1295
00:45:45,137 --> 00:45:47,137
such.

1296
00:45:47,506 --> 00:45:48,140
You also did point out that a

1297
00:45:48,140 --> 00:45:49,175
much larger construction

1298
00:45:49,175 --> 00:45:51,575
project, the redevelopment of

1299
00:45:51,643 --> 00:45:53,178
the entire site and the two new

1300
00:45:53,178 --> 00:45:54,346
buildings was timely,

1301
00:45:54,346 --> 00:45:55,781
efficiently and well done.

1302
00:45:55,781 --> 00:45:56,115
This is a very small component

1303
00:45:56,115 --> 00:45:58,115
of it.

1304
00:45:59,585 --> 00:46:01,200
But again, as mayor points out,

1305
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:01,721
this is the thing to discuss now

1306
00:46:01,721 --> 00:46:02,821
is not germane to this.

1307
00:46:02,821 --> 00:46:05,191
It's a building permitting

1308
00:46:05,191 --> 00:46:07,191
issue.

1309
00:46:07,927 --> 00:46:08,461
>> Mayor: right.

1310
00:46:08,461 --> 00:46:11,461
And I think they're very

1311
00:46:14,834 --> 00:46:15,902
accessible.

1312
00:46:15,902 --> 00:46:16,102
[Speaker off mic]

1313
00:46:16,102 --> 00:46:18,102
Okay.

1314
00:46:20,839 --> 00:46:21,730
Do we have another public

1315
00:46:21,730 --> 00:46:23,730
speaker?

1316
00:46:25,110 --> 00:46:26,479
Eric luca.

1317
00:46:26,479 --> 00:46:26,646
Thank you.

1318
00:46:26,646 --> 00:46:27,280
No.

1319
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,280
Good questions.

1320
00:46:30,717 --> 00:46:31,784
And very topical and very

1321
00:46:31,784 --> 00:46:32,919
relevant.

1322
00:46:32,919 --> 00:46:34,687
We're in poinciana.

1323
00:46:34,687 --> 00:46:35,321
>> hi, hello.

1324
00:46:35,321 --> 00:46:36,550
>> Mayor: state your name and

1325
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:37,189
address.

1326
00:46:37,189 --> 00:46:39,189
>> eric luca.

1327
00:46:44,197 --> 00:46:44,897
I live in poinciana island 236

1328
00:46:44,897 --> 00:46:45,397
since JUNE '96.

1329
00:46:45,397 --> 00:46:46,432
27 years now.

1330
00:46:46,432 --> 00:46:50,632
I used to have my boat there.

1331
00:46:50,804 --> 00:46:53,173
Then I had to take it out.

1332
00:46:53,173 --> 00:46:56,773
So, my concern says that how

1333
00:46:57,177 --> 00:47:00,177
would it be that they're

1334
00:47:02,215 --> 00:47:03,616
claiming that in OCTOBER 26,

1335
00:47:03,616 --> 00:47:05,452
2005, when wind hit all of us,

1336
00:47:05,452 --> 00:47:08,187
and I lost my boat, matter of

1337
00:47:08,187 --> 00:47:10,357
fact, you lost the marina, and

1338
00:47:10,357 --> 00:47:11,590
then now 17 year later, you

1339
00:47:11,590 --> 00:47:13,990
haven't done anything, now 17

1340
00:47:16,596 --> 00:47:18,640
years later you're saying that

1341
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,634
you can have -- so in that same

1342
00:47:20,634 --> 00:47:24,234
case when I move in poinciana,

1343
00:47:24,804 --> 00:47:26,539
in 2001, 2002, we have access to

1344
00:47:26,539 --> 00:47:27,540
everybody, the 100 units, can't

1345
00:47:27,540 --> 00:47:29,242
have a boat.

1346
00:47:29,242 --> 00:47:32,913
So if we can say that they can

1347
00:47:32,913 --> 00:47:34,147
use the permit for the 18

1348
00:47:34,147 --> 00:47:34,915
marinas, why don't we have our

1349
00:47:34,915 --> 00:47:38,150
own permits to have a boat in

1350
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:40,550
each of our units?

1351
00:47:41,188 --> 00:47:44,124
this point, point number one.

1352
00:47:44,124 --> 00:47:44,357
So you can please -- or say this

1353
00:47:44,357 --> 00:47:46,357
easier.

1354
00:47:46,460 --> 00:47:49,280
If they want to provide this,

1355
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,228
just give us all of us our

1356
00:47:53,533 --> 00:47:55,102
marina -- our access to put the

1357
00:47:55,102 --> 00:47:57,104
boat in that's number one.

1358
00:47:57,104 --> 00:47:57,771
Second, why the marina you want

1359
00:47:57,771 --> 00:47:58,405
to build it?

1360
00:47:58,405 --> 00:48:02,605
Now you want to build a marina

1361
00:48:05,178 --> 00:48:08,778
on the narrowest part of the

1362
00:48:14,555 --> 00:48:16,555
island.

1363
00:48:17,558 --> 00:48:21,758
Based on the main, you put a 30

1364
00:48:25,198 --> 00:48:27,266
foot boat there, to maneuver,

1365
00:48:27,266 --> 00:48:28,868
you're now going to hit my boat

1366
00:48:28,868 --> 00:48:29,503
with it's not feasible to do a

1367
00:48:29,503 --> 00:48:32,172
marina there to have a boat more

1368
00:48:32,172 --> 00:48:34,172
than 40 feet.

1369
00:48:35,108 --> 00:48:36,677
So, first of all, I don't think

1370
00:48:36,677 --> 00:48:39,446
you are in a situation now to

1371
00:48:39,446 --> 00:48:41,140
say yes or no to this will have

1372
00:48:41,140 --> 00:48:43,549
to take a month to study.

1373
00:48:43,549 --> 00:48:44,184
That's what I'm asking you is I

1374
00:48:44,184 --> 00:48:45,285
know that there want to be some

1375
00:48:45,285 --> 00:48:48,285
changes in the organization of

1376
00:48:49,289 --> 00:48:49,923
the city government, okay.

1377
00:48:49,923 --> 00:48:53,260
But this is not something that's

1378
00:48:53,260 --> 00:48:56,260
got to be passed now.

1379
00:48:57,970 --> 00:48:59,133
And again you want to do the

1380
00:48:59,133 --> 00:49:00,667
railing I don't care really.

1381
00:49:00,667 --> 00:49:02,336
If there's a marina in front I

1382
00:49:02,336 --> 00:49:03,871
don't care, just move it to one

1383
00:49:03,871 --> 00:49:05,500
side or the other where the

1384
00:49:05,500 --> 00:49:06,774
channel is wider.

1385
00:49:06,774 --> 00:49:08,342
Much wider.

1386
00:49:08,342 --> 00:49:09,810
On second, each of us we receive

1387
00:49:09,810 --> 00:49:10,945
the same permit to have a boat

1388
00:49:10,945 --> 00:49:11,579
in front of our unit.

1389
00:49:11,579 --> 00:49:13,581
And I tell you what, we cannot

1390
00:49:13,581 --> 00:49:15,581
say no.

1391
00:49:16,717 --> 00:49:17,451
>> Mayor: eric, that's not --

1392
00:49:17,451 --> 00:49:18,953
that's not something that the

1393
00:49:18,953 --> 00:49:20,888
commission can arbitrate or

1394
00:49:20,888 --> 00:49:21,222
decide.

1395
00:49:21,222 --> 00:49:23,222
>> we can try.

1396
00:49:23,457 --> 00:49:25,559
>> Mayor: we can't as a

1397
00:49:25,559 --> 00:49:28,559
commission body just allow that

1398
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:29,997
every owner can have a boat --

1399
00:49:29,997 --> 00:49:32,133
>> with the same situation that

1400
00:49:32,133 --> 00:49:34,340
if I have a boat, 20 years ago,

1401
00:49:34,340 --> 00:49:36,904
why I cannot have a boat?

1402
00:49:36,904 --> 00:49:37,772
And they're saying that I have a

1403
00:49:37,772 --> 00:49:39,206
permit 17 years ago.

1404
00:49:39,206 --> 00:49:42,143
They never use it, and now they

1405
00:49:42,143 --> 00:49:43,578
can get it.

1406
00:49:43,578 --> 00:49:45,146
Something is unfair here.

1407
00:49:45,146 --> 00:49:47,480
It's basically unfair.

1408
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:48,683
Each of us in poinciana, we have

1409
00:49:48,683 --> 00:49:50,318
a way to do it.

1410
00:49:50,318 --> 00:49:52,986
Now, okay, you got your boat.

1411
00:49:52,986 --> 00:49:53,354
You got your pier and

1412
00:49:53,354 --> 00:49:55,354
congratulations.

1413
00:49:58,920 --> 00:49:58,459
Even, same to you for yours,

1414
00:49:58,459 --> 00:49:59,494
congratulations.

1415
00:49:59,494 --> 00:50:01,128
I will be a commissioner next

1416
00:50:01,128 --> 00:50:01,295
time to have a pier on my house.

1417
00:50:01,295 --> 00:50:01,562
Yes.

1418
00:50:01,562 --> 00:50:03,562
It's fair.

1419
00:50:07,802 --> 00:50:09,203
It's fair.

1420
00:50:09,203 --> 00:50:10,738
I'm not being sarcastic.

1421
00:50:10,738 --> 00:50:11,372
>> Mayor: okay, thank you.

1422
00:50:11,372 --> 00:50:16,172
>> I don't have a boat or a pier

1423
00:50:17,450 --> 00:50:17,779
behind my house.

1424
00:50:17,779 --> 00:50:19,779
>> okay.

1425
00:50:20,615 --> 00:50:21,816
Now let me say -- MAY I add

1426
00:50:21,816 --> 00:50:22,500
something to the people of

1427
00:50:22,500 --> 00:50:24,500
marina.

1428
00:50:25,753 --> 00:50:28,256
If you want to improve -- my

1429
00:50:28,256 --> 00:50:30,491
units are right across the

1430
00:50:30,491 --> 00:50:32,326
parking permit, the building,

1431
00:50:32,326 --> 00:50:34,326
the parking building.

1432
00:50:36,290 --> 00:50:36,898
You know that you're allowing

1433
00:50:36,898 --> 00:50:38,600
harley-davidson to park on the

1434
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,502
top floor and at 1:00 in the

1435
00:50:40,502 --> 00:50:42,203
morning they go around and

1436
00:50:42,203 --> 00:50:44,472
around and around eight floors.

1437
00:50:44,472 --> 00:50:44,706
One in the morning, six in the

1438
00:50:44,706 --> 00:50:46,706
morning.

1439
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:54,244
Don't leave the bikes on the top

1440
00:50:57,751 --> 00:50:58,753
with the open going to the

1441
00:50:58,753 --> 00:51:00,753
floor.

1442
00:51:01,456 --> 00:51:03,291
And -- and I talk to the city.

1443
00:51:03,291 --> 00:51:05,727
I talk to the inspectors.

1444
00:51:05,727 --> 00:51:09,327
Oe of the inspectors that I'm

1445
00:51:10,932 --> 00:51:12,334
going to have, he told me why

1446
00:51:12,334 --> 00:51:13,535
don't you -- so in the next

1447
00:51:13,535 --> 00:51:15,303
month I'm going to request this

1448
00:51:15,303 --> 00:51:17,505
guy to be fired.

1449
00:51:17,505 --> 00:51:18,473
But that's not the response to a

1450
00:51:18,473 --> 00:51:20,873
person that live here.

1451
00:51:21,776 --> 00:51:26,576
we pay the salary of these -- so

1452
00:51:27,315 --> 00:51:27,949
please.

1453
00:51:27,949 --> 00:51:29,985
You can tell him to come I

1454
00:51:29,985 --> 00:51:30,418
believe at 8:30 or 9:00.

1455
00:51:30,418 --> 00:51:31,820
>> Mayor: thank you.

1456
00:51:31,820 --> 00:51:32,153
Thank you.

1457
00:51:32,153 --> 00:51:33,321
>> thank you.

1458
00:51:33,321 --> 00:51:35,321
>> Mayor: thank you.

1459
00:51:35,323 --> 00:51:35,624
Understood.

1460
00:51:35,624 --> 00:51:37,624
Understood.

1461
00:51:39,327 --> 00:51:41,327
Okay.

1462
00:51:49,204 --> 00:51:50,505
Greg capra.

1463
00:51:50,505 --> 00:51:52,505
>> good evening.

1464
00:51:52,708 --> 00:51:53,410
Greg capra, 257 poinciana

1465
00:51:53,410 --> 00:51:54,710
island.

1466
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:54,910
I'm the PRESIDENT Of the board

1467
00:51:54,910 --> 00:51:56,910
there.

1468
00:51:57,612 --> 00:51:59,140
And I have quite a bit of

1469
00:51:59,140 --> 00:52:01,414
knowledge about dealing with

1470
00:52:01,617 --> 00:52:02,651
derm and the concerns of our

1471
00:52:02,651 --> 00:52:04,651
residents there.

1472
00:52:05,187 --> 00:52:06,622
And, respect to their questions,

1473
00:52:06,622 --> 00:52:09,220
this particular marina really

1474
00:52:10,580 --> 00:52:11,193
doesn't have anything to do with

1475
00:52:11,193 --> 00:52:13,193
poinciana's marina.

1476
00:52:13,262 --> 00:52:15,630
Derm's laws, as far as I know,

1477
00:52:15,630 --> 00:52:18,667
what they've told us, and why we

1478
00:52:18,667 --> 00:52:20,200
have only 43 power boats is

1479
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:21,336
because we have 4300 feet around

1480
00:52:21,336 --> 00:52:23,138
the island.

1481
00:52:23,138 --> 00:52:23,338
They allow one boat for 100

1482
00:52:23,338 --> 00:52:25,338
feet.

1483
00:52:25,708 --> 00:52:26,442
So I would assume they have 1800

1484
00:52:26,442 --> 00:52:27,420
feet, if they have more, they

1485
00:52:27,420 --> 00:52:30,420
probably would be asking for

1486
00:52:32,581 --> 00:52:34,316
more slips.

1487
00:52:34,316 --> 00:52:35,840
That being said, owners are

1488
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,186
concerned with the construction,

1489
00:52:37,186 --> 00:52:37,586
how long this is going to take,

1490
00:52:37,586 --> 00:52:39,586
and so on.

1491
00:52:40,556 --> 00:52:41,523
So they have questions.

1492
00:52:41,523 --> 00:52:43,125
So while I'm personally not

1493
00:52:43,125 --> 00:52:45,194
against what they're doing, I

1494
00:52:45,194 --> 00:52:47,329
would ask that the commission

1495
00:52:47,329 --> 00:52:48,597
delay the decision so unit

1496
00:52:48,597 --> 00:52:50,199
owners of poinciana could gather

1497
00:52:50,199 --> 00:52:50,833
more information, and be

1498
00:52:50,833 --> 00:52:53,233
comfortable about this process

1499
00:52:53,402 --> 00:52:55,304
and what's going to happen.

1500
00:52:55,304 --> 00:52:56,539
Now you say they had a marina

1501
00:52:56,539 --> 00:53:00,139
before, and I would say, why

1502
00:53:00,476 --> 00:53:00,643
shouldn't they have a marina

1503
00:53:00,643 --> 00:53:01,510
now?

1504
00:53:01,510 --> 00:53:03,646
Eric's comment about boats being

1505
00:53:03,646 --> 00:53:04,213
a certain length is valid.

1506
00:53:04,213 --> 00:53:07,213
But that's really not your

1507
00:53:08,350 --> 00:53:10,350
decision.

1508
00:53:10,419 --> 00:53:12,421
If derm felt it was unsafe, and

1509
00:53:12,421 --> 00:53:12,855
they didn't mention army corps

1510
00:53:12,855 --> 00:53:14,855
of engineers.

1511
00:53:14,857 --> 00:53:15,591
And so was the army corps of

1512
00:53:15,591 --> 00:53:17,260
engineers involved with this?

1513
00:53:17,260 --> 00:53:18,994
So they had a marina before.

1514
00:53:18,994 --> 00:53:20,296
I don't know that they need to

1515
00:53:20,296 --> 00:53:21,330
be involved again.

1516
00:53:21,330 --> 00:53:23,699
But there's questions that need

1517
00:53:23,699 --> 00:53:26,335
to be asked and answered.

1518
00:53:26,335 --> 00:53:27,970
And, I don't know that it's so

1519
00:53:27,970 --> 00:53:30,640
important to make a decision

1520
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,700
tonight versus in JANUARY, where

1521
00:53:32,700 --> 00:53:33,208
they could come back, could ask

1522
00:53:33,208 --> 00:53:35,278
questions that they want to

1523
00:53:35,278 --> 00:53:36,379
bring up, and provide them.

1524
00:53:36,379 --> 00:53:37,613
I know people had an opportunity

1525
00:53:37,613 --> 00:53:38,281
to be here tonight and could

1526
00:53:38,281 --> 00:53:40,148
have asked those questions.

1527
00:53:40,148 --> 00:53:40,549
I don't know if anyone else is

1528
00:53:40,549 --> 00:53:42,549
here.

1529
00:53:45,521 --> 00:53:45,888
But, it does give a little extra

1530
00:53:45,888 --> 00:53:47,223
time.

1531
00:53:47,223 --> 00:53:48,291
And I'm not against this.

1532
00:53:48,291 --> 00:53:51,891
But I think some other questions

1533
00:53:52,194 --> 00:53:54,931
need to be answered, and an

1534
00:53:54,931 --> 00:53:56,566
extra month really wouldn't be a

1535
00:53:56,566 --> 00:53:57,660
big deal to allow that to

1536
00:53:57,660 --> 00:53:57,567
happen.

1537
00:53:57,567 --> 00:53:59,567
>> Mayor: okay.

1538
00:54:00,103 --> 00:54:00,369
We have no other public

1539
00:54:00,369 --> 00:54:02,369
speakers.

1540
00:54:05,575 --> 00:54:06,708
So again, I'd like to just ask

1541
00:54:06,708 --> 00:54:08,545
the question, again, these

1542
00:54:08,545 --> 00:54:08,778
marina slips were pre-existing,

1543
00:54:08,778 --> 00:54:09,479
correct?

1544
00:54:09,479 --> 00:54:12,479
You had a pre-existing --

1545
00:54:12,982 --> 00:54:14,550
>> correct.

1546
00:54:14,550 --> 00:54:14,951
>> Mayor:-plan where you had 18

1547
00:54:14,951 --> 00:54:15,618
marina slips.

1548
00:54:15,618 --> 00:54:16,752
Is that correct?

1549
00:54:16,752 --> 00:54:18,153
>> that is correct.

1550
00:54:18,153 --> 00:54:20,523
>> Mayor: and that you have full

1551
00:54:20,523 --> 00:54:22,758
clearance with manatees, and

1552
00:54:22,758 --> 00:54:24,360
with wake, and with passage of

1553
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,760
boats through that canal.

1554
00:54:26,963 --> 00:54:28,297
So any placement of these marina

1555
00:54:28,297 --> 00:54:30,400
slips, the quantity, the

1556
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,800
ingress, the egress, the

1557
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,710
manatee, the environmental, all

1558
00:54:35,710 --> 00:54:35,305
of that has been completely

1559
00:54:35,305 --> 00:54:35,538
vetted.

1560
00:54:35,538 --> 00:54:37,538
Correct?

1561
00:54:37,574 --> 00:54:38,375
>> all been reviewed by derm and

1562
00:54:38,375 --> 00:54:39,508
preliminarily approved.

1563
00:54:39,508 --> 00:54:41,508
>> Mayor: okay.

1564
00:54:43,112 --> 00:54:44,514
So derm, and the same way derm

1565
00:54:44,514 --> 00:54:45,381
approved that that they approved

1566
00:54:45,381 --> 00:54:46,316
with whatever conditions in

1567
00:54:46,316 --> 00:54:46,548
poinciana island.

1568
00:54:46,548 --> 00:54:47,317
Correct?

1569
00:54:47,317 --> 00:54:49,185
>> correct, mayor.

1570
00:54:49,185 --> 00:54:52,185
>> Mayor: so there's no issue

1571
00:54:52,656 --> 00:54:54,424
whatsoever with the amount of

1572
00:54:54,424 --> 00:54:55,558
slips, the clearance, the

1573
00:54:55,558 --> 00:54:57,558
ingress, the egress.

1574
00:54:58,528 --> 00:55:00,296
>> where they're located, no

1575
00:55:00,296 --> 00:55:00,931
variances, all by right within

1576
00:55:00,931 --> 00:55:03,931
derm's rules, within the city's

1577
00:55:05,340 --> 00:55:06,236
rules.

1578
00:55:06,236 --> 00:55:07,170
>> Mayor: and we've had plenty

1579
00:55:07,170 --> 00:55:09,206
of opportunity to discuss this

1580
00:55:09,206 --> 00:55:12,342
this evening, and there's no --

1581
00:55:12,342 --> 00:55:13,543
there are no other lingering

1582
00:55:13,543 --> 00:55:15,912
questions or any reason to --

1583
00:55:15,912 --> 00:55:17,180
>> oh, I have a few comments.

1584
00:55:17,180 --> 00:55:17,914
>> Mayor: other than whatever my

1585
00:55:17,914 --> 00:55:19,914
colleagues have here.

1586
00:55:22,952 --> 00:55:26,856
But I just, for me, that was the

1587
00:55:26,856 --> 00:55:28,391
sine qua non that there were 18

1588
00:55:28,391 --> 00:55:29,660
slips in existence and that's

1589
00:55:29,660 --> 00:55:30,627
why I felt all along.

1590
00:55:30,627 --> 00:55:31,128
It's not like you're creating

1591
00:55:31,128 --> 00:55:32,362
something from nothing.

1592
00:55:32,362 --> 00:55:33,797
>> correct, mayor.

1593
00:55:33,797 --> 00:55:34,640
And it is permitted as a matter

1594
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:36,640
of right.

1595
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:38,769
And it meets all the criteria

1596
00:55:38,769 --> 00:55:40,637
for site plan.

1597
00:55:40,637 --> 00:55:40,904
>> Mayor: and I think it will be

1598
00:55:40,904 --> 00:55:41,405
beautiful.

1599
00:55:41,405 --> 00:55:41,672
Just like the building.

1600
00:55:41,672 --> 00:55:43,672
So anyway.

1601
00:55:48,712 --> 00:55:49,212
go ahead.

1602
00:55:49,212 --> 00:55:50,513
Commissioner stuyvesant.

1603
00:55:50,513 --> 00:55:50,747
>> number one, about cable

1604
00:55:50,747 --> 00:55:51,582
railing.

1605
00:55:51,582 --> 00:55:52,782
That sidewalk is a public

1606
00:55:52,782 --> 00:55:54,484
sidewalk, right?

1607
00:55:54,484 --> 00:55:56,484
>> correct.

1608
00:55:57,154 --> 00:55:59,223
>> so, by us accepting to

1609
00:55:59,223 --> 00:56:00,524
eliminate that cable railing, if

1610
00:56:00,524 --> 00:56:02,793
anything happens there are we

1611
00:56:02,793 --> 00:56:03,327
liable for it, the city liable

1612
00:56:03,327 --> 00:56:04,661
in any way?

1613
00:56:04,661 --> 00:56:06,797
Because I don't know the answer.

1614
00:56:06,797 --> 00:56:08,980
>> no, I don't believe we are.

1615
00:56:08,980 --> 00:56:09,199
Because those cables aren't

1616
00:56:09,199 --> 00:56:12,769
required by the terms of our

1617
00:56:12,769 --> 00:56:14,769
land development regulations.

1618
00:56:15,939 --> 00:56:16,240
>> it was like an extra layer of

1619
00:56:16,240 --> 00:56:18,240
protection.

1620
00:56:18,575 --> 00:56:20,100
But again I just wanted to

1621
00:56:20,100 --> 00:56:20,277
codify that that's a public

1622
00:56:20,277 --> 00:56:22,277
sidewalk.

1623
00:56:24,148 --> 00:56:25,882
>> yes, and commissioner as

1624
00:56:25,882 --> 00:56:26,850
MR. Dissinger said it is

1625
00:56:26,850 --> 00:56:27,518
consistent with the other public

1626
00:56:27,518 --> 00:56:29,518
bay walk.

1627
00:56:30,321 --> 00:56:33,921
>> in st. Tropez, I just wanted

1628
00:56:34,291 --> 00:56:35,759
to make sure that we aren't

1629
00:56:35,759 --> 00:56:38,495
liable by saying, you know.

1630
00:56:38,495 --> 00:56:41,198
Number two the modification the

1631
00:56:41,198 --> 00:56:41,932
entryway signage I have no issue

1632
00:56:41,932 --> 00:56:43,334
with.

1633
00:56:43,334 --> 00:56:44,902
Number three with the condition,

1634
00:56:44,902 --> 00:56:47,302
I have some issues.

1635
00:56:48,272 --> 00:56:49,740
Because you have 35 units right

1636
00:56:49,740 --> 00:56:49,940
now for workforce housing.

1637
00:56:49,940 --> 00:56:50,841
Right?

1638
00:56:50,841 --> 00:56:52,420
>> correct.

1639
00:56:52,420 --> 00:56:53,177
>> what is the price, kind of,

1640
00:56:53,177 --> 00:56:53,844
of those, do you know?

1641
00:56:53,844 --> 00:56:56,844
>> well, the way the workforce

1642
00:56:59,684 --> 00:57:02,684
housing unit pricing goes is

1643
00:57:05,220 --> 00:57:07,358
it's set based upon the median

1644
00:57:07,358 --> 00:57:09,160
income for a family or an

1645
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,560
individual in dade county.

1646
00:57:12,930 --> 00:57:15,299
And it can't be -- that is, it

1647
00:57:15,299 --> 00:57:18,899
cannot be higher than what would

1648
00:57:18,936 --> 00:57:21,936
be housing for someone at 120%

1649
00:57:23,574 --> 00:57:25,576
of ami, adjusted median income.

1650
00:57:25,576 --> 00:57:26,100
Which it would be 30% of that

1651
00:57:26,100 --> 00:57:28,100
income.

1652
00:57:28,746 --> 00:57:31,480
So for instance, if somebody --

1653
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:32,416
and it's scaled also based on

1654
00:57:32,416 --> 00:57:33,383
whether it's one person, two

1655
00:57:33,383 --> 00:57:33,617
people, three people, four

1656
00:57:33,617 --> 00:57:34,419
people.

1657
00:57:34,419 --> 00:57:36,419
>> right.

1658
00:57:38,155 --> 00:57:42,355
>> so if it's a family of four,

1659
00:57:42,727 --> 00:57:44,529
and the person earns 120% of

1660
00:57:44,529 --> 00:57:47,398
ami, which would be I think

1661
00:57:47,398 --> 00:57:48,732
about $90,000, then I think that

1662
00:57:48,732 --> 00:57:50,340
the total rent there couldn't be

1663
00:57:50,340 --> 00:57:52,340
more than $27,000.

1664
00:57:53,905 --> 00:57:54,305
And that's the very, very high

1665
00:57:54,305 --> 00:57:56,305
end.

1666
00:57:56,441 --> 00:57:57,808
It was a -- two people, it would

1667
00:57:57,808 --> 00:57:58,743
be less.

1668
00:57:58,743 --> 00:58:01,743
If their income was $70,000, it

1669
00:58:03,213 --> 00:58:04,148
would be 30% of that.

1670
00:58:04,148 --> 00:58:05,216
So that's the cap.

1671
00:58:05,216 --> 00:58:06,170
They don't actually control the

1672
00:58:06,170 --> 00:58:06,618
rent.

1673
00:58:06,618 --> 00:58:09,253
The rent is controlled by the

1674
00:58:09,253 --> 00:58:09,921
income of the tenant.

1675
00:58:09,921 --> 00:58:11,921
>> great.

1676
00:58:12,155 --> 00:58:13,358
But I know those 35 units are

1677
00:58:13,358 --> 00:58:15,758
all over the building.

1678
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:17,960
>> correct.

1679
00:58:18,930 --> 00:58:20,965
>> how you have like per floor,

1680
00:58:20,965 --> 00:58:22,467
or and what if you are expecting

1681
00:58:22,467 --> 00:58:25,103
to do now, you want to put them

1682
00:58:25,103 --> 00:58:25,303
all on the first, second, third

1683
00:58:25,303 --> 00:58:26,638
floor?

1684
00:58:26,638 --> 00:58:27,605
>> in fact, good question.

1685
00:58:27,605 --> 00:58:28,239
And that actually prompted, I

1686
00:58:28,239 --> 00:58:31,239
think, the desire of ownership

1687
00:58:35,614 --> 00:58:37,514
for the change.

1688
00:58:37,514 --> 00:58:38,450
Over time tenants will come,

1689
00:58:38,450 --> 00:58:39,950
tenants will go.

1690
00:58:39,950 --> 00:58:40,885
In order to be able to make sure

1691
00:58:40,885 --> 00:58:42,387
they can accommodate them in

1692
00:58:42,387 --> 00:58:43,588
various parts of the building,

1693
00:58:43,588 --> 00:58:45,123
they wanted to have a

1694
00:58:45,123 --> 00:58:45,690
flexibility to move the units

1695
00:58:45,690 --> 00:58:46,925
around.

1696
00:58:46,925 --> 00:58:49,925
Whereas if you're locked in

1697
00:58:49,928 --> 00:58:51,963
specific units, you know, then

1698
00:58:51,963 --> 00:58:53,532
those will always be -- I mean,

1699
00:58:53,532 --> 00:58:56,532
these workforce units will be

1700
00:58:57,202 --> 00:59:00,202
integrated with all the units

1701
00:59:00,338 --> 00:59:02,700
throughout the entire complex.

1702
00:59:02,700 --> 00:59:03,441
So it gives them more

1703
00:59:03,441 --> 00:59:03,674
flexibility and it works a lot

1704
00:59:03,674 --> 00:59:05,674
better.

1705
00:59:09,181 --> 00:59:11,715
>> but I'm really concerned with

1706
00:59:11,715 --> 00:59:12,384
that item, because people in

1707
00:59:12,384 --> 00:59:13,452
sunny isles because everything

1708
00:59:13,452 --> 00:59:14,486
is going higher and higher in

1709
00:59:14,486 --> 00:59:16,486
the prices.

1710
00:59:17,489 --> 00:59:21,890
And if you have the 35 units

1711
00:59:21,526 --> 00:59:24,526
right now, very well described

1712
00:59:24,763 --> 00:59:26,131
that you have, I don't see what

1713
00:59:26,131 --> 00:59:29,131
would be the difference of

1714
00:59:29,534 --> 00:59:30,340
changing the numbers of having

1715
00:59:30,340 --> 00:59:31,203
it open.

1716
00:59:31,203 --> 00:59:33,671
What I'm scared is right now you

1717
00:59:33,671 --> 00:59:37,142
might have five units on the top

1718
00:59:37,142 --> 00:59:37,709
floor with a very nice view and

1719
00:59:37,709 --> 00:59:38,844
then we can move those five

1720
00:59:38,844 --> 00:59:39,177
units to the bottom floor with

1721
00:59:39,177 --> 00:59:40,120
no view.

1722
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,412
I don't know --

1723
00:59:42,414 --> 00:59:44,115
>> first of all the covenant

1724
00:59:44,115 --> 00:59:45,484
requires, no matter what, there

1725
00:59:45,484 --> 00:59:45,951
always must be 35 units.

1726
00:59:45,951 --> 00:59:47,951
>> correct.

1727
00:59:48,887 --> 00:59:51,824
>> so this is not changing the

1728
00:59:51,824 --> 00:59:53,859
number of units whatsoever.

1729
00:59:53,859 --> 00:59:56,929
But what it is doing is as we

1730
00:59:56,929 --> 00:59:59,498
realize is the flexibility to

1731
00:59:59,498 --> 01:00:03,698
say, as to where the units are,

1732
01:00:04,770 --> 01:00:06,710
because tenants come and go.

1733
01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:07,806
And, you know, you might want to

1734
01:00:07,806 --> 01:00:09,775
put a tenant in another unit, a

1735
01:00:09,775 --> 01:00:11,243
new tenant in another unit.

1736
01:00:11,243 --> 01:00:13,450
It just -- and that's candidly,

1737
01:00:13,450 --> 01:00:13,545
the way, I think most of the

1738
01:00:13,545 --> 01:00:15,545
workforce housing unit

1739
01:00:20,953 --> 01:00:22,953
allocations go.

1740
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:24,890
>> commissioner, just to add to

1741
01:00:24,890 --> 01:00:25,191
that, as part of our workforce

1742
01:00:25,191 --> 01:00:26,759
housing ordinance, they're

1743
01:00:26,759 --> 01:00:28,327
required to submit an annual

1744
01:00:28,327 --> 01:00:29,962
report every OCTOBER to my

1745
01:00:29,962 --> 01:00:30,296
department that's going to be

1746
01:00:30,296 --> 01:00:31,530
reviewed.

1747
01:00:31,530 --> 01:00:33,432
And in that report it does need

1748
01:00:33,432 --> 01:00:35,768
to list every unit number.

1749
01:00:35,768 --> 01:00:37,136
So at that time, you know, if we

1750
01:00:37,136 --> 01:00:38,771
see that they're all on floor

1751
01:00:38,771 --> 01:00:39,471
one, well that's in violation of

1752
01:00:39,471 --> 01:00:40,873
their covenant.

1753
01:00:40,873 --> 01:00:41,107
They need to be on multiple

1754
01:00:41,107 --> 01:00:42,742
floors.

1755
01:00:42,742 --> 01:00:45,276
So we will be monitoring the

1756
01:00:45,276 --> 01:00:46,511
workforce housing program.

1757
01:00:46,511 --> 01:00:47,513
>> I understand.

1758
01:00:47,513 --> 01:00:47,780
I'm just not comfortable with

1759
01:00:47,780 --> 01:00:48,347
that item.

1760
01:00:48,347 --> 01:00:51,947
And the last one about the

1761
01:00:53,185 --> 01:00:54,954
marina, I see my neighbors here

1762
01:00:54,954 --> 01:00:57,890
in poinciana, and I understand

1763
01:00:57,890 --> 01:01:00,890
why they're upset, because the

1764
01:01:00,893 --> 01:01:04,960
way the marina slips are managed

1765
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:06,496
in poinciana, is very

1766
01:01:08,100 --> 01:01:09,834
questionable, to say the least.

1767
01:01:09,834 --> 01:01:11,300
Some people would even call it

1768
01:01:11,300 --> 01:01:12,905
fraudulent what they're doing

1769
01:01:12,905 --> 01:01:14,207
with the marina slips in

1770
01:01:14,207 --> 01:01:15,774
poinciana island.

1771
01:01:15,774 --> 01:01:16,108
So I understand their concerns,

1772
01:01:16,108 --> 01:01:18,108
really.

1773
01:01:18,276 --> 01:01:18,911
But having said that the numbers

1774
01:01:18,911 --> 01:01:20,911
don't lie.

1775
01:01:21,981 --> 01:01:24,981
You have 32.7 units per slip.

1776
01:01:25,717 --> 01:01:27,654
Because you have a total of 589

1777
01:01:27,654 --> 01:01:27,920
units between the three

1778
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:29,920
buildings.

1779
01:01:30,724 --> 01:01:33,724
So I want to repeat.

1780
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:35,194
You have almost 600 units, and

1781
01:01:35,194 --> 01:01:35,928
18 slips.

1782
01:01:35,928 --> 01:01:38,597
So that give you per slip 32.7

1783
01:01:38,597 --> 01:01:40,597
units.

1784
01:01:43,136 --> 01:01:44,637
So I don't know how it's going

1785
01:01:44,637 --> 01:01:46,471
to be the dynamics you are going

1786
01:01:46,471 --> 01:01:47,974
to be using to ashrine the

1787
01:01:47,974 --> 01:01:49,409
slips, it's going to be a

1788
01:01:49,409 --> 01:01:51,210
lottery or whatever.

1789
01:01:51,210 --> 01:01:54,547
But having said that, I didn't

1790
01:01:54,547 --> 01:01:55,882
see anywhere, maybe you said but

1791
01:01:55,882 --> 01:01:59,850
I didn't read it, the limits to

1792
01:01:59,850 --> 01:02:01,200
the size of the boats.

1793
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:01,621
And also, the marina was there

1794
01:02:01,621 --> 01:02:04,621
you said back almost 20 years

1795
01:02:06,659 --> 01:02:08,610
ago.

1796
01:02:08,610 --> 01:02:10,596
I don't feel comfortable right

1797
01:02:10,596 --> 01:02:13,399
now with bringing this item and

1798
01:02:13,399 --> 01:02:13,666
approving this item the way it's

1799
01:02:13,666 --> 01:02:15,134
presented.

1800
01:02:15,134 --> 01:02:19,334
So I leave it to my colleagues

1801
01:02:22,475 --> 01:02:24,475
for further comments.

1802
01:02:25,178 --> 01:02:26,980
>> Mayor: I don't see that, you

1803
01:02:26,980 --> 01:02:29,549
know, delaying this has any

1804
01:02:29,549 --> 01:02:31,549
value or merit.

1805
01:02:31,651 --> 01:02:34,955
I feel that, you know, I'm very

1806
01:02:34,955 --> 01:02:37,955
comfortable with all four items.

1807
01:02:38,157 --> 01:02:39,492
The workforce housing covenant

1808
01:02:39,492 --> 01:02:40,460
has changed to give more

1809
01:02:40,460 --> 01:02:41,528
flexibility, but it doesn't

1810
01:02:41,528 --> 01:02:44,528
mitigate the number of units.

1811
01:02:44,965 --> 01:02:46,566
It just, you know, is how the --

1812
01:02:46,566 --> 01:02:47,601
how the rentals work.

1813
01:02:47,601 --> 01:02:50,100
So it's a requirement.

1814
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:51,271
It's a covenant.

1815
01:02:51,271 --> 01:02:52,806
And it's -- they're always going

1816
01:02:52,806 --> 01:02:53,907
to have those 34 workforce

1817
01:02:53,907 --> 01:02:55,907
housing units.

1818
01:02:57,744 --> 01:02:58,979
For me, that's a nonissue.

1819
01:02:58,979 --> 01:03:01,379
It's just very minor.

1820
01:03:01,915 --> 01:03:02,115
The signage, obviously, is

1821
01:03:02,115 --> 01:03:02,849
minor.

1822
01:03:02,849 --> 01:03:04,317
The cable.

1823
01:03:04,317 --> 01:03:07,917
And for the marina, again, if

1824
01:03:09,952 --> 01:03:10,600
it's pre-existing, and you've

1825
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:12,526
got the slips, and you can get

1826
01:03:12,526 --> 01:03:14,261
it permitted, and, you know, I

1827
01:03:14,261 --> 01:03:15,562
think it will beautify the area

1828
01:03:15,562 --> 01:03:16,296
and I'm comfortable with that,

1829
01:03:16,296 --> 01:03:17,597
as well.

1830
01:03:17,597 --> 01:03:18,232
>> so I have some questions.

1831
01:03:18,232 --> 01:03:21,832
So, obviously you had a marina

1832
01:03:22,302 --> 01:03:24,302
there before.

1833
01:03:24,738 --> 01:03:26,506
That was a long time ago.

1834
01:03:26,506 --> 01:03:27,741
Things change.

1835
01:03:27,741 --> 01:03:30,844
So I just want to know if it's

1836
01:03:30,844 --> 01:03:32,713
comparable, and the size of the

1837
01:03:32,713 --> 01:03:35,713
boats that it will house.

1838
01:03:37,184 --> 01:03:37,851
And if it's going to be the same

1839
01:03:37,851 --> 01:03:39,319
dimensions as before.

1840
01:03:39,319 --> 01:03:39,753
And if it's going to go in the

1841
01:03:39,753 --> 01:03:41,753
same place.

1842
01:03:42,890 --> 01:03:42,756
Because I know that one of the

1843
01:03:42,756 --> 01:03:44,858
poinciana residents said that

1844
01:03:44,858 --> 01:03:45,492
it's going to be placed in the

1845
01:03:45,492 --> 01:03:48,492
narrowest point of that canal,

1846
01:03:50,630 --> 01:03:52,630
let's say.

1847
01:03:52,766 --> 01:03:55,469
So that, I have those questions.

1848
01:03:55,469 --> 01:03:56,503
And yeah, I'll let you answer

1849
01:03:56,503 --> 01:03:58,503
those.

1850
01:04:00,307 --> 01:04:02,900
>> commissioner, well, it is

1851
01:04:02,900 --> 01:04:03,777
where the marina was located

1852
01:04:03,777 --> 01:04:04,344
before.

1853
01:04:04,344 --> 01:04:05,946
Remember, derm would only

1854
01:04:05,946 --> 01:04:07,781
approve it -- is approving it

1855
01:04:07,781 --> 01:04:08,382
also based on the fact that

1856
01:04:08,382 --> 01:04:09,183
there were historic 18 slips

1857
01:04:09,183 --> 01:04:09,416
there.

1858
01:04:09,416 --> 01:04:11,416
>> okay.

1859
01:04:16,423 --> 01:04:19,930
>> the length of boats is also

1860
01:04:19,930 --> 01:04:19,560
regulated by how far out you

1861
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:20,194
could put the mooring

1862
01:04:20,194 --> 01:04:21,529
ing

1863
01:04:21,529 --> 01:04:23,529
ing poles.

1864
01:04:24,631 --> 01:04:25,833
Which are regulated by the city,

1865
01:04:25,833 --> 01:04:28,402
as well as by derm.

1866
01:04:28,402 --> 01:04:29,436
These are not very -- we are not

1867
01:04:29,436 --> 01:04:30,771
seeking variances to extend them

1868
01:04:30,771 --> 01:04:31,806
so that they can be farther out.

1869
01:04:31,806 --> 01:04:33,806
>> okay.

1870
01:04:35,276 --> 01:04:35,743
>> so these are -- this is

1871
01:04:35,743 --> 01:04:37,110
essentially what was

1872
01:04:37,110 --> 01:04:37,244
historically always there.

1873
01:04:37,244 --> 01:04:39,244
>> okay.

1874
01:04:39,980 --> 01:04:41,549
All right.

1875
01:04:41,549 --> 01:04:42,316
Yeah I'm just a little

1876
01:04:42,316 --> 01:04:43,316
concerned, you know, with the

1877
01:04:43,316 --> 01:04:44,619
geography of that canal.

1878
01:04:44,619 --> 01:04:46,988
Obviously you have people in

1879
01:04:46,988 --> 01:04:48,456
front of you.

1880
01:04:48,456 --> 01:04:51,325
There's a lot more that say, you

1881
01:04:51,325 --> 01:04:52,426
know, possibility of echoes.

1882
01:04:52,426 --> 01:04:54,929
And regarding the time limits

1883
01:04:54,929 --> 01:04:56,497
that we're imposing.

1884
01:04:56,497 --> 01:04:56,997
6:00 A.M. To 12:00 A.M.,

1885
01:04:56,997 --> 01:04:58,997
correct?

1886
01:04:59,667 --> 01:05:00,670
Is that a citywide imposition?

1887
01:05:00,670 --> 01:05:02,670
Or --

1888
01:05:02,770 --> 01:05:03,805
>> that's something we

1889
01:05:03,805 --> 01:05:04,639
volunteered.

1890
01:05:04,639 --> 01:05:06,639
There's no limit.

1891
01:05:07,175 --> 01:05:07,441
>> how is that even going to be

1892
01:05:07,441 --> 01:05:08,776
enforced?

1893
01:05:08,776 --> 01:05:10,760
You're going to tell someone you

1894
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:12,447
cannot go out fishing at 4:00 in

1895
01:05:12,447 --> 01:05:14,150
the morning, you have to wait

1896
01:05:14,150 --> 01:05:15,750
until 6:00.

1897
01:05:15,750 --> 01:05:16,651
Or you cannot come back from the

1898
01:05:16,651 --> 01:05:19,454
beach, you have to wait outside

1899
01:05:19,454 --> 01:05:20,822
in the middle of the water until

1900
01:05:20,822 --> 01:05:21,989
6:00 A.M. To come back.

1901
01:05:21,989 --> 01:05:22,824
i don't see how that's going to

1902
01:05:22,824 --> 01:05:24,824
be enforced.

1903
01:05:25,426 --> 01:05:26,461
>> well, you have a series of

1904
01:05:26,461 --> 01:05:28,429
fines if it's slated.

1905
01:05:28,429 --> 01:05:29,764
We have the advantage of this

1906
01:05:29,764 --> 01:05:32,330
not being a condominium

1907
01:05:32,330 --> 01:05:32,667
property.

1908
01:05:32,667 --> 01:05:33,134
This is a centrally managed

1909
01:05:33,134 --> 01:05:34,369
property.

1910
01:05:34,369 --> 01:05:35,903
These are apartment unit owners

1911
01:05:35,903 --> 01:05:37,238
and those are the only people

1912
01:05:37,238 --> 01:05:37,872
who are going to have slips

1913
01:05:37,872 --> 01:05:38,106
there, apartment dwellers, not

1914
01:05:38,106 --> 01:05:40,106
owners.

1915
01:05:42,110 --> 01:05:43,511
And they can be -- they're

1916
01:05:43,511 --> 01:05:46,581
subject to rules as well not

1917
01:05:46,581 --> 01:05:48,490
only of the city's rules, but

1918
01:05:48,490 --> 01:05:49,917
the association, the

1919
01:05:49,917 --> 01:05:50,185
management's rules for the

1920
01:05:50,185 --> 01:05:51,719
building.

1921
01:05:51,719 --> 01:05:53,554
There's more enforcement that

1922
01:05:53,554 --> 01:05:55,623
you'll be able to have for this

1923
01:05:55,623 --> 01:05:56,257
than if it was a typical

1924
01:05:56,257 --> 01:05:56,724
building where a variety of

1925
01:05:56,724 --> 01:05:57,492
people own the slips.

1926
01:05:57,492 --> 01:05:59,892
They own the slips.

1927
01:06:01,496 --> 01:06:02,960
They're responsible.

1928
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:03,764
They deal with it.

1929
01:06:03,764 --> 01:06:07,302
And I would point out, I mean,

1930
01:06:07,302 --> 01:06:10,605
it is important to point out,

1931
01:06:10,605 --> 01:06:11,573
because the discussion's

1932
01:06:11,573 --> 01:06:13,207
beginning to get, you know,

1933
01:06:13,207 --> 01:06:15,176
somewhat candidly, afield of

1934
01:06:15,176 --> 01:06:15,376
what really is properly before

1935
01:06:15,376 --> 01:06:15,944
this.

1936
01:06:15,944 --> 01:06:18,944
Remember, this marina is a

1937
01:06:20,714 --> 01:06:21,983
matter of right.

1938
01:06:21,983 --> 01:06:25,420
And the only thing that it can

1939
01:06:25,420 --> 01:06:25,921
be judged by is the criteria in

1940
01:06:25,921 --> 01:06:28,921
your code for site plan

1941
01:06:29,190 --> 01:06:30,525
approval.

1942
01:06:30,525 --> 01:06:33,525
And your planning director, and

1943
01:06:33,594 --> 01:06:34,663
you find that in page 3 of the

1944
01:06:34,663 --> 01:06:37,132
staff report, we meet all of

1945
01:06:37,132 --> 01:06:39,132
this criteria.

1946
01:06:42,204 --> 01:06:42,871
Because we meet all of this

1947
01:06:42,871 --> 01:06:46,471
criteria, there is no basis for

1948
01:06:48,743 --> 01:06:50,479
not approving this.

1949
01:06:50,479 --> 01:06:51,747
That's -- notwithstanding that,

1950
01:06:51,747 --> 01:06:54,416
the manager and the planning

1951
01:06:54,416 --> 01:06:57,416
director have asked us to

1952
01:06:57,586 --> 01:06:58,253
voluntarily -- sought us to

1953
01:06:58,253 --> 01:06:59,721
voluntarily proffer additional

1954
01:06:59,721 --> 01:07:00,922
conditions, further restrictions

1955
01:07:00,922 --> 01:07:01,556
beyond what the law requires.

1956
01:07:01,556 --> 01:07:05,600
And we have agreed to do that,

1957
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:06,461
voluntarily.

1958
01:07:06,461 --> 01:07:07,950
>> so, okay, I understand that,

1959
01:07:07,950 --> 01:07:08,830
you know, you have the right for

1960
01:07:08,830 --> 01:07:10,532
this.

1961
01:07:10,532 --> 01:07:10,732
But I live in winston towers.

1962
01:07:10,732 --> 01:07:12,334
Right?

1963
01:07:12,334 --> 01:07:13,869
We have a marina around there,

1964
01:07:13,869 --> 01:07:15,938
and we don't have anything in

1965
01:07:15,938 --> 01:07:20,900
front of it that will bounce off

1966
01:07:20,900 --> 01:07:20,208
the noise.

1967
01:07:20,208 --> 01:07:23,478
But still we get complaints, you

1968
01:07:23,478 --> 01:07:24,647
know, just from resident

1969
01:07:24,647 --> 01:07:26,381
perspective, obviously, are you

1970
01:07:26,381 --> 01:07:29,381
suggesting or telling us that

1971
01:07:29,485 --> 01:07:32,485
you're going to manage the

1972
01:07:32,788 --> 01:07:34,220
behavior of these residents that

1973
01:07:34,220 --> 01:07:34,555
have their boats?

1974
01:07:34,555 --> 01:07:35,156
>> absolutely.

1975
01:07:35,156 --> 01:07:37,556
>> your management, let's say?

1976
01:07:40,262 --> 01:07:41,830
>> absolutely.

1977
01:07:41,830 --> 01:07:44,230
Remember, this property has

1978
01:07:44,599 --> 01:07:44,833
full-time, 24 hour management.

1979
01:07:44,833 --> 01:07:46,833
>> okay.

1980
01:07:54,876 --> 01:07:56,578
>> and security.

1981
01:07:56,578 --> 01:07:58,130
So, this will have greater

1982
01:07:58,130 --> 01:08:00,413
control than any private

1983
01:08:01,216 --> 01:08:02,918
property, any condominium

1984
01:08:02,918 --> 01:08:04,118
property, because you've got --

1985
01:08:04,118 --> 01:08:05,621
and they also have the ability,

1986
01:08:05,621 --> 01:08:07,189
not only your enforcement of the

1987
01:08:07,189 --> 01:08:08,157
city's code, but they have the

1988
01:08:08,157 --> 01:08:08,490
ability to yank someone's right

1989
01:08:08,490 --> 01:08:10,890
to use a slip.

1990
01:08:12,327 --> 01:08:14,327
As well.

1991
01:08:17,398 --> 01:08:19,301
So their hands-on management,

1992
01:08:19,301 --> 01:08:20,503
remember, the brunettis have

1993
01:08:20,503 --> 01:08:21,370
owned this property for almost

1994
01:08:21,370 --> 01:08:22,872
40 years, they built this

1995
01:08:22,872 --> 01:08:23,839
property to own it for the

1996
01:08:23,839 --> 01:08:26,642
long-term, they have a greater

1997
01:08:26,642 --> 01:08:28,311
interest in making sure that

1998
01:08:28,311 --> 01:08:29,645
this is well run than almost

1999
01:08:29,645 --> 01:08:30,780
anybody would, candidly.

2000
01:08:30,780 --> 01:08:33,749
Because they don't want to --

2001
01:08:33,749 --> 01:08:34,216
they're going to have lots of

2002
01:08:34,216 --> 01:08:35,918
tenants there.

2003
01:08:35,918 --> 01:08:37,319
They're not going to want their

2004
01:08:37,319 --> 01:08:38,354
own tenants disturbed.

2005
01:08:38,354 --> 01:08:39,989
As commissioner stuyvesant

2006
01:08:39,989 --> 01:08:41,257
pointed out, you know, at most

2007
01:08:41,257 --> 01:08:44,930
one out of 32 units are going to

2008
01:08:44,930 --> 01:08:45,494
have a slip.

2009
01:08:45,494 --> 01:08:47,763
They're not going to want to

2010
01:08:47,763 --> 01:08:49,532
have the other 31 unit owners

2011
01:08:49,532 --> 01:08:51,532
per slip inconvenienced.

2012
01:08:52,435 --> 01:08:52,969
So, you -- this is the best

2013
01:08:52,969 --> 01:08:55,369
situation you could have

2014
01:08:55,538 --> 01:08:57,600
candidly for a managed marina.

2015
01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:59,275
>> Mayor: is there a limitation

2016
01:08:59,275 --> 01:09:01,911
on the size of the boat that

2017
01:09:01,911 --> 01:09:04,311
they put in there?

2018
01:09:05,815 --> 01:09:08,518
Because boats -- there are

2019
01:09:08,518 --> 01:09:09,180
[Inaudible] Prescribed?

2020
01:09:09,180 --> 01:09:11,418
>> I appreciate all the

2021
01:09:12,989 --> 01:09:14,989
concerns.

2022
01:09:16,259 --> 01:09:18,261
And I'm listening to them,

2023
01:09:18,261 --> 01:09:20,796
because we, as an ownership,

2024
01:09:20,796 --> 01:09:21,864
want to protect all the citizens

2025
01:09:21,864 --> 01:09:24,864
when we have this development.

2026
01:09:24,900 --> 01:09:27,971
Some we went to derm, and we

2027
01:09:27,971 --> 01:09:28,671
developed the design, and

2028
01:09:28,671 --> 01:09:30,707
engineered it within the

2029
01:09:30,707 --> 01:09:30,973
described dimensions of the

2030
01:09:30,973 --> 01:09:32,973
waterway.

2031
01:09:35,911 --> 01:09:37,213
The slips are designed and

2032
01:09:37,213 --> 01:09:40,213
engineered precisely as told and

2033
01:09:40,883 --> 01:09:42,883
directed by derm.

2034
01:09:45,255 --> 01:09:48,525
The lentd of the boat, the slip,

2035
01:09:48,525 --> 01:09:50,359
the mooring poles, the width of

2036
01:09:50,359 --> 01:09:51,594
the canal, the channel, the

2037
01:09:51,594 --> 01:09:53,960
depth and size of every boat on

2038
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:55,131
the slip is described precisely

2039
01:09:55,131 --> 01:09:56,533
in the drawings that we

2040
01:09:56,533 --> 01:09:57,867
presented so that everybody

2041
01:09:57,867 --> 01:09:58,680
understands how many boats we

2042
01:09:58,680 --> 01:09:59,903
have.

2043
01:09:59,903 --> 01:10:02,903
What the size will be.

2044
01:10:04,407 --> 01:10:06,709
And what derm would allow.

2045
01:10:06,709 --> 01:10:07,911
And the width -- everything's

2046
01:10:07,911 --> 01:10:08,545
engineered within the width of

2047
01:10:08,545 --> 01:10:11,545
the waterway and prescribed by

2048
01:10:13,116 --> 01:10:16,116
derm because of the width.

2049
01:10:16,253 --> 01:10:16,987
>> no my concern is more from a

2050
01:10:16,987 --> 01:10:18,220
resident perspective.

2051
01:10:18,220 --> 01:10:19,456
you're sitting there, somebody's

2052
01:10:19,456 --> 01:10:21,591
taking their boat out at 6:00

2053
01:10:21,591 --> 01:10:23,693
A.M. And they're going to wake

2054
01:10:23,693 --> 01:10:24,661
you up, you know, it's just not

2055
01:10:24,661 --> 01:10:24,927
pleasant.

2056
01:10:24,927 --> 01:10:26,563
You know.

2057
01:10:26,563 --> 01:10:27,764
And we're a very crowded city.

2058
01:10:27,764 --> 01:10:27,997
There's a lot of noise solution

2059
01:10:27,997 --> 01:10:29,232
around.

2060
01:10:29,232 --> 01:10:29,699
You know we're talking a few

2061
01:10:29,699 --> 01:10:31,134
weeks ago.

2062
01:10:31,134 --> 01:10:31,768
And we've been talking

2063
01:10:31,768 --> 01:10:34,768
throughout the whole year about

2064
01:10:35,372 --> 01:10:37,107
noise ordinances.

2065
01:10:37,107 --> 01:10:38,709
You know, I'm just looking at it

2066
01:10:38,709 --> 01:10:40,676
from a perspective of having a

2067
01:10:40,676 --> 01:10:42,346
good night's sleep.

2068
01:10:42,346 --> 01:10:44,470
Not being, you know, bothered by

2069
01:10:44,470 --> 01:10:46,150
these boats and all that.

2070
01:10:46,150 --> 01:10:48,418
So, I know that you have the

2071
01:10:48,418 --> 01:10:50,818
right to build this.

2072
01:10:50,954 --> 01:10:51,388
I'm just asking that you manage

2073
01:10:51,388 --> 01:10:52,656
it well.

2074
01:10:52,656 --> 01:10:54,591
And that you're considerate, and

2075
01:10:54,591 --> 01:10:55,859
that you're a good neighbor.

2076
01:10:55,859 --> 01:10:56,493
Because you have poinciana in

2077
01:10:56,493 --> 01:10:57,728
front of you.

2078
01:10:57,728 --> 01:10:58,761
You have other people.

2079
01:10:58,761 --> 01:10:58,961
Noise is bouncing all around

2080
01:10:58,961 --> 01:11:00,364
here.

2081
01:11:00,364 --> 01:11:00,897
I don't know, do you live here

2082
01:11:00,897 --> 01:11:02,897
in the city?

2083
01:11:03,199 --> 01:11:03,734
>> I don't, commissioner.

2084
01:11:03,734 --> 01:11:04,901
But I've come --

2085
01:11:04,901 --> 01:11:06,804
>> you're well aware.

2086
01:11:06,804 --> 01:11:07,304
I know you're very familiar with

2087
01:11:07,304 --> 01:11:09,304
the city.

2088
01:11:09,440 --> 01:11:12,509
>> my dad had a drug store in

2089
01:11:12,509 --> 01:11:14,211
this city in the 1950s and 60s.

2090
01:11:14,211 --> 01:11:15,879
>> you had a drug store here?

2091
01:11:15,879 --> 01:11:16,479
>> yes.

2092
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:20,679
The one that has the was like

2093
01:11:21,551 --> 01:11:22,886
the watermelon shaped zone.

2094
01:11:22,886 --> 01:11:25,286
>> that became a restaurant?

2095
01:11:25,521 --> 01:11:27,424
>> when that shopping center was

2096
01:11:27,424 --> 01:11:29,930
built by the family in the '50s

2097
01:11:29,930 --> 01:11:29,293
my dad had a big drug store

2098
01:11:29,293 --> 01:11:30,427
there.

2099
01:11:30,427 --> 01:11:32,960
I've been coming to this city

2100
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:32,596
since I was a little baby.

2101
01:11:32,596 --> 01:11:34,164
>> all right.

2102
01:11:34,164 --> 01:11:35,799
>> commissioner lama, I think

2103
01:11:35,799 --> 01:11:37,234
it's important to point out that

2104
01:11:37,234 --> 01:11:38,435
nowhere else in the city are

2105
01:11:38,435 --> 01:11:38,936
there time limits about boats

2106
01:11:38,936 --> 01:11:41,505
coming in and going out.

2107
01:11:41,505 --> 01:11:43,505
Okay?

2108
01:11:43,707 --> 01:11:46,509
They voluntarily have agreed to

2109
01:11:46,509 --> 01:11:48,379
the 6:00 to 12:00.

2110
01:11:48,379 --> 01:11:49,613
It's the only marina in the city

2111
01:11:49,613 --> 01:11:49,946
where there are time

2112
01:11:49,946 --> 01:11:51,946
requirements.

2113
01:11:51,949 --> 01:11:53,784
>> because I know that the one

2114
01:11:53,784 --> 01:11:54,418
in winston towers, and there's

2115
01:11:54,418 --> 01:11:55,190
another one that, you know, we

2116
01:11:55,190 --> 01:11:57,188
get a lot of noise complaints

2117
01:11:57,188 --> 01:11:59,188
for.

2118
01:11:59,256 --> 01:12:00,858
>> but you also have our

2119
01:12:00,858 --> 01:12:02,660
asurance, commissioner, that we

2120
01:12:02,660 --> 01:12:03,827
will -- this will be heavily

2121
01:12:03,827 --> 01:12:04,261
managed, well managed.

2122
01:12:04,261 --> 01:12:05,196
It's a family asset.

2123
01:12:05,196 --> 01:12:08,196
And they want a good

2124
01:12:12,690 --> 01:12:14,690
environment.

2125
01:12:17,208 --> 01:12:17,742
[Speaker off mic]

2126
01:12:17,742 --> 01:12:18,309
>> it doesn't make sense.

2127
01:12:18,309 --> 01:12:21,309
>> party boats and all that.

2128
01:12:30,922 --> 01:12:31,321
>> no.

2129
01:12:31,321 --> 01:12:32,556
[Speaker off mic]

2130
01:12:32,556 --> 01:12:35,260
>> just a couple of questions.

2131
01:12:35,260 --> 01:12:36,930
For me it's pretty clear that

2132
01:12:36,930 --> 01:12:36,761
you meet the criteria.

2133
01:12:36,761 --> 01:12:40,898
Whether we love it or we don't,

2134
01:12:40,898 --> 01:12:42,633
the criteria is the criteria.

2135
01:12:42,633 --> 01:12:44,769
But I had a question about the

2136
01:12:44,769 --> 01:12:44,969
length of the lease of the

2137
01:12:44,969 --> 01:12:46,969
slips.

2138
01:12:47,105 --> 01:12:50,640
How does it go, per when you

2139
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:52,640
rent the unit?

2140
01:12:53,844 --> 01:12:57,382
And then if you have a weight

2141
01:12:57,382 --> 01:12:59,183
list and how do you move up that

2142
01:12:59,183 --> 01:12:59,584
list, do you have to get your

2143
01:12:59,584 --> 01:13:01,486
neighbor evicted?

2144
01:13:01,486 --> 01:13:03,886
How does that work?

2145
01:13:04,521 --> 01:13:05,189
>> so the reason we're

2146
01:13:05,189 --> 01:13:06,824
proceeding with the project in

2147
01:13:06,824 --> 01:13:07,925
this is because we weren't

2148
01:13:07,925 --> 01:13:10,925
certain that there would be

2149
01:13:11,962 --> 01:13:12,964
interest for all of the slips.

2150
01:13:12,964 --> 01:13:15,799
We're finding out that there are

2151
01:13:15,799 --> 01:13:16,401
some tenants now that are coming

2152
01:13:16,401 --> 01:13:19,401
and are interested in those.

2153
01:13:19,737 --> 01:13:21,706
So they're one-year leases.

2154
01:13:21,706 --> 01:13:23,274
And I think one of the things

2155
01:13:23,274 --> 01:13:24,209
that's very important to us, we

2156
01:13:24,209 --> 01:13:27,809
developed a whole list of marina

2157
01:13:27,946 --> 01:13:30,181
rules, which we submitted as

2158
01:13:30,181 --> 01:13:31,281
part of this application.

2159
01:13:31,281 --> 01:13:34,520
Our greatest concern is there

2160
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:34,252
isn't partying going on on the

2161
01:13:34,252 --> 01:13:36,252
boats.

2162
01:13:36,254 --> 01:13:37,222
So we have a very strict list of

2163
01:13:37,222 --> 01:13:39,222
rules.

2164
01:13:39,657 --> 01:13:40,992
Because our goal is to protect

2165
01:13:40,992 --> 01:13:41,192
even the residents who don't

2166
01:13:41,192 --> 01:13:41,793
rent.

2167
01:13:41,793 --> 01:13:44,620
But it's a first come, first

2168
01:13:44,620 --> 01:13:46,620
serve basis.

2169
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:46,531
And yes, there would be a wait

2170
01:13:46,531 --> 01:13:46,764
list.

2171
01:13:46,764 --> 01:13:48,764
And --

2172
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:50,869
>> so if I come in, and I come

2173
01:13:50,869 --> 01:13:51,603
in with my boat and I move in.

2174
01:13:51,603 --> 01:13:52,470
>> right.

2175
01:13:52,470 --> 01:13:54,706
>> so I get my slip.

2176
01:13:54,706 --> 01:13:55,907
And if I follow all the rules,

2177
01:13:55,907 --> 01:13:58,176
you don't have any problems with

2178
01:13:58,176 --> 01:14:00,345
me, as long as I keep renewing

2179
01:14:00,345 --> 01:14:00,612
my lease, I get to keep renewing

2180
01:14:00,612 --> 01:14:01,613
the slip?

2181
01:14:01,613 --> 01:14:03,613
>> absolutely.

2182
01:14:05,217 --> 01:14:06,551
>> okay.

2183
01:14:06,551 --> 01:14:08,551
>> absolutely.

2184
01:14:09,187 --> 01:14:12,187
>> and I had another question.

2185
01:14:13,591 --> 01:14:15,591
Okay.

2186
01:14:17,429 --> 01:14:19,597
I saw in the report, you have to

2187
01:14:19,597 --> 01:14:19,797
be a resident there to rent.

2188
01:14:19,797 --> 01:14:20,197
Right?

2189
01:14:20,197 --> 01:14:21,867
>> that's correct.

2190
01:14:21,867 --> 01:14:23,568
>> but -- so you have to show

2191
01:14:23,568 --> 01:14:24,102
that you're -- you have to prove

2192
01:14:24,102 --> 01:14:24,703
that you're a resident.

2193
01:14:24,703 --> 01:14:26,505
But do you have to prove that

2194
01:14:26,505 --> 01:14:26,738
it's your boat?

2195
01:14:26,738 --> 01:14:28,738
>> yes.

2196
01:14:30,308 --> 01:14:32,177
>> okay.

2197
01:14:32,177 --> 01:14:33,211
>> you have to not only prove

2198
01:14:33,211 --> 01:14:34,346
it's your boat.

2199
01:14:34,346 --> 01:14:35,547
You can't rent somebody else's

2200
01:14:35,547 --> 01:14:36,882
boat and park it there.

2201
01:14:36,882 --> 01:14:37,416
>> that's where I'm going.

2202
01:14:37,416 --> 01:14:38,951
>> none of that.

2203
01:14:38,951 --> 01:14:40,919
All of that is policed.

2204
01:14:40,919 --> 01:14:41,587
We have a licensed marine dock

2205
01:14:41,587 --> 01:14:45,787
master that will serve us in the

2206
01:14:47,590 --> 01:14:47,926
leasing, and the filing of their

2207
01:14:47,926 --> 01:14:48,694
requirement to meet our lease

2208
01:14:48,694 --> 01:14:50,428
and rule requirements.

2209
01:14:50,428 --> 01:14:50,729
And that will be vetted by

2210
01:14:50,729 --> 01:14:52,729
management.

2211
01:14:53,632 --> 01:14:53,932
And then once you have a lease,

2212
01:14:53,932 --> 01:14:54,399
it's yours.

2213
01:14:54,399 --> 01:14:54,633
On a renewable basis.

2214
01:14:54,633 --> 01:14:56,633
>> okay.

2215
01:14:58,637 --> 01:14:59,638
Okay.

2216
01:14:59,638 --> 01:15:00,339
Those were my questions.

2217
01:15:00,339 --> 01:15:03,339
Again, to mitigate the party

2218
01:15:04,943 --> 01:15:08,543
boat issues, and the other, but

2219
01:15:09,214 --> 01:15:11,383
it's -- it's to the interest of

2220
01:15:11,383 --> 01:15:11,917
your property, and your

2221
01:15:11,917 --> 01:15:12,551
representation, and your

2222
01:15:12,551 --> 01:15:14,253
property values and all of that

2223
01:15:14,253 --> 01:15:14,453
to manage it well.

2224
01:15:14,453 --> 01:15:16,453
Okay.

2225
01:15:19,591 --> 01:15:19,992
Thank you.

2226
01:15:19,992 --> 01:15:21,992
>> yes, thank you.

2227
01:15:27,566 --> 01:15:28,500
So just for the information of

2228
01:15:28,500 --> 01:15:30,350
the poinciana residents, I've

2229
01:15:30,350 --> 01:15:31,837
particularly looked at the

2230
01:15:31,837 --> 01:15:33,739
length of the -- the width of

2231
01:15:33,739 --> 01:15:34,940
the waterway and it appears to

2232
01:15:34,940 --> 01:15:35,708
be 178 feet.

2233
01:15:35,708 --> 01:15:37,409
>> yeah.

2234
01:15:37,409 --> 01:15:38,811
And it's on our drawings, I

2235
01:15:38,811 --> 01:15:39,878
would like to answer you yes

2236
01:15:39,878 --> 01:15:42,248
that's exactly what it is.

2237
01:15:42,248 --> 01:15:42,748
But I'd have to look at the

2238
01:15:42,748 --> 01:15:44,316
drawings.

2239
01:15:44,316 --> 01:15:46,786
But the waterway on our drawings

2240
01:15:46,786 --> 01:15:48,154
is defined in each location

2241
01:15:48,154 --> 01:15:50,356
relative to our slip.

2242
01:15:50,356 --> 01:15:51,757
And derm has reviewed those

2243
01:15:51,757 --> 01:15:53,893
locations and minimized the

2244
01:15:53,893 --> 01:15:55,760
length of our slips and mooring

2245
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:57,196
positions to reflect the

2246
01:15:57,196 --> 01:15:57,463
requirements of derm and the

2247
01:15:57,463 --> 01:15:59,463
channel.

2248
01:15:59,998 --> 01:16:00,366
>> so your slips are 24 feet

2249
01:16:00,366 --> 01:16:02,366
currently.

2250
01:16:02,434 --> 01:16:06,340
And what are they four pilings,

2251
01:16:06,305 --> 01:16:06,539
right, every six feet you have a

2252
01:16:06,539 --> 01:16:08,440
piling?

2253
01:16:08,440 --> 01:16:09,208
So, in temgs of the walkway

2254
01:16:09,208 --> 01:16:11,208
going down --

2255
01:16:11,577 --> 01:16:12,430
>> no talking about the t-slip.

2256
01:16:12,430 --> 01:16:12,778
>> yes.

2257
01:16:12,778 --> 01:16:13,212
>> so you'd have four pilings.

2258
01:16:13,212 --> 01:16:15,212
At least.

2259
01:16:15,414 --> 01:16:16,150
>> yes.

2260
01:16:16,150 --> 01:16:16,382
>> probably four pilings at

2261
01:16:16,382 --> 01:16:18,382
each, six feet.

2262
01:16:25,224 --> 01:16:26,250
So, so, the maximum length of

2263
01:16:26,250 --> 01:16:28,160
the boat would probably be

2264
01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:28,360
between 45 and 60?

2265
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:30,360
>> no.

2266
01:16:31,970 --> 01:16:31,963
Our boats are less than 40 feet.

2267
01:16:31,963 --> 01:16:32,565
>> okay.

2268
01:16:32,565 --> 01:16:33,199
>> no boat is greater than 40

2269
01:16:33,199 --> 01:16:35,199
feet.

2270
01:16:36,769 --> 01:16:38,638
>> okay.

2271
01:16:38,638 --> 01:16:39,405
>> and we're not allowed to do

2272
01:16:39,405 --> 01:16:40,506
that because that's a derm

2273
01:16:40,506 --> 01:16:40,873
requirement with our design.

2274
01:16:40,873 --> 01:16:41,507
>> okay.

2275
01:16:41,507 --> 01:16:45,107
So there's no issue with turning

2276
01:16:45,911 --> 01:16:46,679
in the canal?

2277
01:16:46,679 --> 01:16:47,180
>> no.

2278
01:16:47,180 --> 01:16:49,180
All those --

2279
01:16:49,515 --> 01:16:50,850
>> you have 178 feet, if you

2280
01:16:50,850 --> 01:16:53,219
have a 40-plus boat, it's not an

2281
01:16:53,219 --> 01:16:55,219
issue for anyone.

2282
01:17:01,928 --> 01:17:03,730
>> thank you.

2283
01:17:03,730 --> 01:17:04,330
>> Mayor: do we have any more

2284
01:17:04,330 --> 01:17:06,330
comments or questions?

2285
01:17:06,499 --> 01:17:10,990
Or are we ready to --

2286
01:17:19,244 --> 01:17:20,780
[Speaker off mic]

2287
01:17:20,780 --> 01:17:21,414
Okay, so that being said,

2288
01:17:21,414 --> 01:17:22,515
questions, comments, do we have

2289
01:17:22,515 --> 01:17:24,515
a motion?

2290
01:17:25,819 --> 01:17:28,219
>> I'll make a motion.

2291
01:17:28,488 --> 01:17:29,823
>> Mayor: commissioner joseph.

2292
01:17:29,823 --> 01:17:31,823
>> I'll second.

2293
01:17:32,358 --> 01:17:32,625
>> Mayor: second, vice mayor

2294
01:17:32,625 --> 01:17:33,493
viscarra.

2295
01:17:33,493 --> 01:17:33,827
Rop call --

2296
01:17:33,827 --> 01:17:34,327
>> voice vote.

2297
01:17:34,327 --> 01:17:36,727
>> Mayor: all in favor.

2298
01:17:36,730 --> 01:17:36,930
[Ayes]

2299
01:17:36,930 --> 01:17:37,197
>> no.

2300
01:17:37,197 --> 01:17:39,197
I vote no.

2301
01:17:40,700 --> 01:17:40,934
>> Mayor: okay.

2302
01:17:40,934 --> 01:17:41,701
4-1.

2303
01:17:41,701 --> 01:17:43,136
>> 4-1.

2304
01:17:43,136 --> 01:17:43,803
>> thank you very much, mayor

2305
01:17:43,803 --> 01:17:45,272
and commissioners.

2306
01:17:45,272 --> 01:17:46,172
Look forward to the opening of

2307
01:17:46,172 --> 01:17:46,706
this project, which will be

2308
01:17:46,706 --> 01:17:48,341
facilitated by your vote

2309
01:17:48,341 --> 01:17:48,608
tonight.

2310
01:17:48,608 --> 01:17:48,942
Thank you.

2311
01:17:48,942 --> 01:17:50,942
>> good luck.

2312
01:17:58,284 --> 01:18:00,284
Thank you.

2313
01:18:00,487 --> 01:18:02,487
>> Mayor: okay.

2314
01:18:02,622 --> 01:18:03,990
Item 7-a.

2315
01:18:03,990 --> 01:18:05,258
>> 7-a is an ordinance of the

2316
01:18:05,258 --> 01:18:08,858
city commission of the city of

2317
01:18:09,161 --> 01:18:11,561
sunny isles beach, florida,

2318
01:18:13,100 --> 01:18:14,334
amending ordinance no. 2022-595,

2319
01:18:14,334 --> 01:18:16,334
approving budget amendment

2320
01:18:17,203 --> 01:18:18,171
number ba 2223-01 to the city's

2321
01:18:18,171 --> 01:18:20,171
operating and capital

2322
01:18:20,907 --> 01:18:21,708
improvement budget for the

2323
01:18:21,708 --> 01:18:23,377
2022-2023 fiscal year general

2324
01:18:23,377 --> 01:18:24,944
fund, street maintenance, and

2325
01:18:24,944 --> 01:18:26,747
construction fund, building

2326
01:18:26,747 --> 01:18:28,150
fund, capital projects, fund,

2327
01:18:28,150 --> 01:18:29,783
stormwater operations fund,

2328
01:18:29,783 --> 01:18:30,951
authorizing the city manager to

2329
01:18:30,951 --> 01:18:32,352
do all things necessary to

2330
01:18:32,352 --> 01:18:33,387
implement the terms and

2331
01:18:33,387 --> 01:18:34,540
conditions of this ordinance,

2332
01:18:34,540 --> 01:18:36,857
providing for an effective date.

2333
01:18:36,857 --> 01:18:39,857
And this is first reading.

2334
01:18:40,127 --> 01:18:42,290
>> honorable mayor, vice mayor

2335
01:18:42,290 --> 01:18:42,663
and commission, this budget

2336
01:18:42,663 --> 01:18:45,663
amendment is necessary for the

2337
01:18:48,135 --> 01:18:49,603
following reasons.

2338
01:18:49,603 --> 01:18:52,406
To record cost of living

2339
01:18:52,406 --> 01:18:54,808
adjustments in all the city

2340
01:18:54,808 --> 01:18:57,211
departments, to modify the risk

2341
01:18:57,211 --> 01:18:59,611
management budget for the

2342
01:18:59,780 --> 01:19:00,547
increase in mid 22-23 insurance

2343
01:19:00,547 --> 01:19:02,490
renewal that was approved.

2344
01:19:02,490 --> 01:19:02,616
However when we did the budget,

2345
01:19:02,616 --> 01:19:04,918
we did not have those final

2346
01:19:04,918 --> 01:19:06,918
numbers.

2347
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:08,255
And then the last one is to

2348
01:19:08,255 --> 01:19:08,789
appropriate additional funds for

2349
01:19:08,789 --> 01:19:11,189
the golden shores utility

2350
01:19:18,832 --> 01:19:19,433
undergrounding.

2351
01:19:19,433 --> 01:19:19,900
>> Mayor: no public speakers.

2352
01:19:19,900 --> 01:19:21,900
Questions?

2353
01:19:27,875 --> 01:19:29,643
Or comments?

2354
01:19:29,643 --> 01:19:30,177
>> -- comfortable when different

2355
01:19:30,177 --> 01:19:31,879
items together.

2356
01:19:31,879 --> 01:19:34,848
Some of it has to do with the

2357
01:19:34,848 --> 01:19:37,218
cost of living, and insurance,

2358
01:19:37,218 --> 01:19:39,553
and with the golden shores.

2359
01:19:39,553 --> 01:19:41,321
I would rather have each one and

2360
01:19:41,321 --> 01:19:41,889
vote each one separately.

2361
01:19:41,889 --> 01:19:44,257
So that's my suggestion for

2362
01:19:44,257 --> 01:19:45,593
going forward.

2363
01:19:45,593 --> 01:19:47,593
>> okay.

2364
01:19:47,662 --> 01:19:49,662
Generally, budget amendments,

2365
01:19:50,731 --> 01:19:51,265
when they're determined to be

2366
01:19:51,265 --> 01:19:52,700
needed, it's for what's

2367
01:19:52,700 --> 01:19:52,900
determined to be needed at that

2368
01:19:52,900 --> 01:19:54,900
time.

2369
01:19:56,170 --> 01:19:58,170
But I understand.

2370
01:19:58,572 --> 01:19:59,840
>> could you please give us

2371
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:00,408
the -- the amount of money for

2372
01:20:00,408 --> 01:20:00,675
each of the three you just

2373
01:20:00,675 --> 01:20:02,675
mentioned?

2374
01:20:04,244 --> 01:20:06,244
>> sure.

2375
01:20:06,414 --> 01:20:09,250
So the first one in all the city

2376
01:20:09,250 --> 01:20:10,952
departments that amounts to

2377
01:20:10,952 --> 01:20:11,885
$520,000.

2378
01:20:11,885 --> 01:20:15,156
>> that's the C.O.L.A.

2379
01:20:15,156 --> 01:20:15,790
>> that's the C.O.L.A.

2380
01:20:15,790 --> 01:20:19,390
The risk management is, hold on

2381
01:20:24,832 --> 01:20:26,832
one second.

2382
01:20:28,368 --> 01:20:29,304
That is approximately $260,000.

2383
01:20:29,304 --> 01:20:32,340
And then the last one is

2384
01:20:32,340 --> 01:20:33,207
$589,000.

2385
01:20:33,207 --> 01:20:35,607
>> that's the golden shores.

2386
01:20:36,911 --> 01:20:39,311
>> that's the golden shores.

2387
01:20:42,884 --> 01:20:44,884
589.

2388
01:20:57,564 --> 01:20:59,000
[Speaker off mic]

2389
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:00,935
>> the insurance is related to

2390
01:21:00,935 --> 01:21:03,335
the property insurance renewal.

2391
01:21:09,210 --> 01:21:11,210
>> okay.

2392
01:21:21,222 --> 01:21:23,222
[Speaker off mic]

2393
01:21:23,792 --> 01:21:24,392
>> Mayor: comments, questions?

2394
01:21:24,392 --> 01:21:27,829
That being said, do we have a

2395
01:21:27,829 --> 01:21:28,797
motion?

2396
01:21:28,797 --> 01:21:30,797
>> motion.

2397
01:21:31,166 --> 01:21:32,200
>> Mayor: so moved.

2398
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:32,767
>> second.

2399
01:21:32,767 --> 01:21:33,200
>> Mayor: second vice mayor

2400
01:21:33,200 --> 01:21:33,535
viscarra.

2401
01:21:33,535 --> 01:21:35,535
all in favor.

2402
01:21:38,390 --> 01:21:38,873
[Ayes]

2403
01:21:38,873 --> 01:21:39,741
Voice vote?

2404
01:21:39,741 --> 01:21:41,209
>> roll call, mayor.

2405
01:21:41,209 --> 01:21:41,643
Sorry.

2406
01:21:41,643 --> 01:21:43,780
Commissioner joseph?

2407
01:21:43,780 --> 01:21:43,612
>> yes.

2408
01:21:43,612 --> 01:21:43,844
>> commissioner lama?

2409
01:21:43,844 --> 01:21:45,280
>> yes.

2410
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:47,280
>> commissioner stuyvesant?

2411
01:21:47,349 --> 01:21:47,882
>> no.

2412
01:21:47,882 --> 01:21:48,115
>> vice mayor viscarra?

2413
01:21:48,115 --> 01:21:49,350
>> yes.

2414
01:21:49,350 --> 01:21:50,785
>> mayor goldman?

2415
01:21:50,785 --> 01:21:52,785
>> Mayor: yes.

2416
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:54,456
>> the ordinance passes on first

2417
01:21:54,456 --> 01:21:56,456
reading 4-1.

2418
01:21:56,591 --> 01:21:57,192
Second reading will be scheduled

2419
01:21:57,192 --> 01:21:59,192
for JANUARY 19th, 2023.

2420
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:03,960
>> thank you.

2421
01:22:05,366 --> 01:22:07,202
>> Mayor: thank you.

2422
01:22:07,202 --> 01:22:09,171
Item 10-a.

2423
01:22:09,171 --> 01:22:10,505
>> 10-a is a resolution

2424
01:22:10,505 --> 01:22:12,741
approving a first amendment to

2425
01:22:12,741 --> 01:22:14,308
the project agreement with keith

2426
01:22:14,308 --> 01:22:14,876
and associates, for civil

2427
01:22:14,876 --> 01:22:15,510
engineering and landscape

2428
01:22:15,510 --> 01:22:17,910
architectural services for bella

2429
01:22:18,981 --> 01:22:20,981
vista park.

2430
01:22:21,216 --> 01:22:23,180
>> good evening, mayor,

2431
01:22:23,180 --> 01:22:25,180
commissioners, city staff.

2432
01:22:29,257 --> 01:22:30,659
This item before you is with our

2433
01:22:30,659 --> 01:22:32,126
consult and engineer keith and

2434
01:22:32,126 --> 01:22:34,396
associates at bella vista park.

2435
01:22:34,396 --> 01:22:36,799
As part of the original proposal

2436
01:22:36,799 --> 01:22:37,199
we had a design fee for a

2437
01:22:37,199 --> 01:22:38,966
seawall.

2438
01:22:38,966 --> 01:22:40,436
Their consultant, their

2439
01:22:40,436 --> 01:22:41,436
subconsultant for that work had

2440
01:22:41,436 --> 01:22:43,305
backed out of it because they

2441
01:22:43,305 --> 01:22:46,305
basically gave them the wrong

2442
01:22:46,809 --> 01:22:48,809
number.

2443
01:22:50,279 --> 01:22:52,281
So this budget, or this item

2444
01:22:52,281 --> 01:22:53,810
allows them to subcontract with

2445
01:22:53,810 --> 01:22:54,116
another seawall consultant for

2446
01:22:54,116 --> 01:22:56,116
the seawall design.

2447
01:22:57,486 --> 01:22:58,530
And it also includes all the

2448
01:22:58,530 --> 01:22:58,621
construction administration

2449
01:22:58,621 --> 01:22:59,221
we're going to need on the

2450
01:22:59,221 --> 01:23:02,821
project, which was not in the

2451
01:23:07,362 --> 01:23:07,930
original proposals.

2452
01:23:07,930 --> 01:23:10,930
>> Mayor: we have a public

2453
01:23:19,942 --> 01:23:21,942
speaker.

2454
01:23:22,211 --> 01:23:23,746
>> ari steiger 462 atlantic

2455
01:23:23,746 --> 01:23:25,214
island.

2456
01:23:25,214 --> 01:23:29,318
Is this going to be a pickleball

2457
01:23:29,318 --> 01:23:31,318
court?

2458
01:23:33,622 --> 01:23:35,991
What is it going to be?

2459
01:23:35,991 --> 01:23:36,625
I have -- to do civil

2460
01:23:36,625 --> 01:23:39,961
engineering on a small plot like

2461
01:23:39,961 --> 01:23:41,961
this for $250,000.

2462
01:23:42,465 --> 01:23:42,898
It's I think way, way overpriced

2463
01:23:42,898 --> 01:23:44,533
for this --

2464
01:23:44,533 --> 01:23:46,302
>> ari, I think you are

2465
01:23:46,302 --> 01:23:48,302
referring to 10-b.

2466
01:23:49,205 --> 01:23:52,205
This is 10-b bella vista.

2467
01:23:53,241 --> 01:23:55,241
>> so 10-a is $95,400.

2468
01:23:58,948 --> 01:24:00,948
That's for what?

2469
01:24:01,951 --> 01:24:03,951
What is $95,400?

2470
01:24:06,890 --> 01:24:10,490
>> the project is a marina, and

2471
01:24:12,462 --> 01:24:13,196
park, at bella vista which is

2472
01:24:13,196 --> 01:24:15,431
located at 500, the city park

2473
01:24:15,431 --> 01:24:17,200
property.

2474
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:19,200
On the waterfront.

2475
01:24:21,204 --> 01:24:23,204
Under the bridge.

2476
01:24:26,309 --> 01:24:27,110
That's what bella vista is.

2477
01:24:27,110 --> 01:24:27,677
That's for seawall consultant

2478
01:24:27,677 --> 01:24:30,770
designer and permitting and

2479
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:32,815
construction.

2480
01:24:32,815 --> 01:24:33,281
>> it's way, way --

2481
01:24:33,281 --> 01:24:33,916
>> it's also for the

2482
01:24:33,916 --> 01:24:35,916
construction administration for

2483
01:24:38,870 --> 01:24:39,756
the project.

2484
01:24:39,756 --> 01:24:40,156
So it's in basically three

2485
01:24:40,156 --> 01:24:42,156
pieces.

2486
01:24:43,293 --> 01:24:45,280
The design is about $35,000.

2487
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:48,280
The construction admin is about

2488
01:24:48,331 --> 01:24:49,632
$35,000 for the seawall project.

2489
01:24:49,632 --> 01:24:50,366
And it's another 30 for the

2490
01:24:50,366 --> 01:24:53,202
engineer to do his contruction

2491
01:24:53,202 --> 01:24:53,970
administration for the property,

2492
01:24:53,970 --> 01:24:55,505
also.

2493
01:24:55,505 --> 01:24:55,705
>> I'm building a seawall right

2494
01:24:55,705 --> 01:24:57,705
now.

2495
01:25:03,246 --> 01:25:03,546
One in boca, and one in fort

2496
01:25:03,546 --> 01:25:04,748
lauderdale.

2497
01:25:04,748 --> 01:25:05,315
It's 125 length.

2498
01:25:05,315 --> 01:25:07,715
And I'm paying $110,000 for

2499
01:25:10,453 --> 01:25:12,453
everything.

2500
01:25:12,688 --> 01:25:14,824
We should get a contractor for

2501
01:25:14,824 --> 01:25:17,627
the seawall, he should design

2502
01:25:17,627 --> 01:25:17,861
it, including in the price.

2503
01:25:17,861 --> 01:25:19,861
That's

2504
01:25:25,669 --> 01:25:27,237
[Speaker off mic]

2505
01:25:27,237 --> 01:25:28,338
>> well that's a different way

2506
01:25:28,338 --> 01:25:30,738
to address the project.

2507
01:25:33,276 --> 01:25:34,644
But we're not doing it that way.

2508
01:25:34,644 --> 01:25:35,845
>> ari --

2509
01:25:35,845 --> 01:25:36,646
>> our project is $30,000 for

2510
01:25:36,646 --> 01:25:38,646
the design.

2511
01:25:39,716 --> 01:25:40,984
>> ari, $125,000 includes the --

2512
01:25:40,984 --> 01:25:42,520
>> everything.

2513
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:44,687
>> the designer that did the

2514
01:25:44,687 --> 01:25:45,956
derm work for you, as well?

2515
01:25:45,956 --> 01:25:46,456
And that was the person that did

2516
01:25:46,456 --> 01:25:49,456
the derm work, as well?

2517
01:25:53,697 --> 01:25:55,697
>> everything.

2518
01:25:56,133 --> 01:25:59,133
And you have my seawall,

2519
01:26:05,207 --> 01:26:07,207
[Speaker off mic]

2520
01:26:07,911 --> 01:26:08,111
>> Mayor: thank you.

2521
01:26:08,111 --> 01:26:10,111
Okay.

2522
01:26:11,515 --> 01:26:12,549
We're just focused on item 10-a

2523
01:26:12,549 --> 01:26:12,783
bella vista park, correct?

2524
01:26:12,783 --> 01:26:13,316
>> yes.

2525
01:26:13,316 --> 01:26:15,716
>> Mayor: okay any other

2526
01:26:21,225 --> 01:26:21,524
comments?

2527
01:26:21,524 --> 01:26:22,725
[Inaudible]

2528
01:26:22,725 --> 01:26:23,260
Okay do we have a motion?

2529
01:26:23,260 --> 01:26:24,128
>> motion.

2530
01:26:24,128 --> 01:26:25,195
>> Mayor: so moved.

2531
01:26:25,195 --> 01:26:25,696
>> second.

2532
01:26:25,696 --> 01:26:27,264
>> Mayor: all in favor.

2533
01:26:27,264 --> 01:26:28,232
[Ayes]

2534
01:26:28,232 --> 01:26:30,232
Item 10-b.

2535
01:26:30,234 --> 01:26:31,135
>> 10-b is a resolution

2536
01:26:31,135 --> 01:26:33,535
approving the project agreement

2537
01:26:33,771 --> 01:26:36,771
with keith and associates to

2538
01:26:37,841 --> 01:26:38,475
provide civil engineering and

2539
01:26:38,475 --> 01:26:40,243
landscape architect services for

2540
01:26:40,243 --> 01:26:40,544
the intracoastal court sports

2541
01:26:40,544 --> 01:26:42,544
complex.

2542
01:26:45,516 --> 01:26:47,684
>> so this is the property on

2543
01:26:47,684 --> 01:26:50,684
150 8th street going north to

2544
01:26:51,455 --> 01:26:53,224
159th street where we're adding

2545
01:26:53,224 --> 01:26:53,857
the additional property from --

2546
01:26:53,857 --> 01:26:56,293
that's available from the marina

2547
01:26:56,293 --> 01:26:58,896
one developer to the north of

2548
01:26:58,896 --> 01:26:59,128
what used to be the ritz sales

2549
01:26:59,128 --> 01:27:01,128
trailer.

2550
01:27:04,602 --> 01:27:05,402
So this is a combined total

2551
01:27:05,402 --> 01:27:08,402
contract for this to basically

2552
01:27:09,540 --> 01:27:10,641
double the size of the project.

2553
01:27:10,641 --> 01:27:13,511
>> Mayor: that's a good thing.

2554
01:27:13,511 --> 01:27:14,879
>> so this will allow us to get

2555
01:27:14,879 --> 01:27:18,479
back to some conceptuals on what

2556
01:27:20,417 --> 01:27:21,719
we can do with the whole piece.

2557
01:27:21,719 --> 01:27:23,540
>> Mayor: okay.

2558
01:27:23,540 --> 01:27:24,588
We have no other speakers other

2559
01:27:24,588 --> 01:27:24,855
than ari who has already spoken

2560
01:27:24,855 --> 01:27:26,855
his piece.

2561
01:27:28,926 --> 01:27:29,326
You want to speak on that, too?

2562
01:27:29,326 --> 01:27:31,326
[Speaker off mic]

2563
01:27:31,462 --> 01:27:32,529
>> ari, can you come up to the

2564
01:27:32,529 --> 01:27:34,980
microphone, please?

2565
01:27:34,980 --> 01:27:35,900
>> Mayor: don't we have our

2566
01:27:35,900 --> 01:27:36,901
own --

2567
01:27:36,901 --> 01:27:38,369
>> isn't keith --

2568
01:27:38,369 --> 01:27:39,200
>> to do I don't know what,

2569
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:41,380
landscaping architect, design of

2570
01:27:41,380 --> 01:27:41,572
the property.

2571
01:27:41,572 --> 01:27:43,972
That's no construction or

2572
01:27:45,109 --> 01:27:45,309
anything.

2573
01:27:45,309 --> 01:27:47,309
>> no.

2574
01:27:50,114 --> 01:27:52,183
This is for the design -- the

2575
01:27:52,183 --> 01:27:52,883
feasibility and design work to

2576
01:27:52,883 --> 01:27:55,853
develop the plans to go out to

2577
01:27:55,853 --> 01:27:56,254
bid to build a park.

2578
01:27:56,254 --> 01:27:58,254
[Speaker off mic]

2579
01:27:58,656 --> 01:28:00,925
Overall this is going to be

2580
01:28:00,925 --> 01:28:03,227
about an acre and a half.

2581
01:28:03,227 --> 01:28:06,640
>> again should bid it out and

2582
01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:07,798
not depend on one architect.

2583
01:28:07,798 --> 01:28:08,599
>> we don't bid out

2584
01:28:08,599 --> 01:28:08,866
architectural engineering

2585
01:28:08,866 --> 01:28:09,634
services.

2586
01:28:09,634 --> 01:28:11,634
>> you should.

2587
01:28:12,637 --> 01:28:13,304
You'll save a lot of money.

2588
01:28:13,304 --> 01:28:13,838
>> that's not allowed for city

2589
01:28:13,838 --> 01:28:15,306
work.

2590
01:28:15,306 --> 01:28:15,974
>> Mayor: ari we have an

2591
01:28:15,974 --> 01:28:17,974
approved vendor.

2592
01:28:18,609 --> 01:28:19,344
We have an approved list.

2593
01:28:19,344 --> 01:28:20,812
>> we hire --

2594
01:28:20,812 --> 01:28:21,646
>> Mayor: it's not on that type

2595
01:28:21,646 --> 01:28:23,646
of bidding process.

2596
01:28:23,848 --> 01:28:24,883
>> we hire consultants and

2597
01:28:24,883 --> 01:28:26,251
evaluate them and --

2598
01:28:26,251 --> 01:28:27,585
>> a waste of money.

2599
01:28:27,585 --> 01:28:29,154
>> obtain a proposal.

2600
01:28:29,154 --> 01:28:31,488
>> and that's a maximum, right?

2601
01:28:31,488 --> 01:28:32,557
it doesn't mean that it's going

2602
01:28:32,557 --> 01:28:33,724
to be that amount.

2603
01:28:33,724 --> 01:28:37,195
It can be less than that.

2604
01:28:37,195 --> 01:28:39,595
It's a maximum of $161,000.

2605
01:28:44,402 --> 01:28:45,103
>> correct.

2606
01:28:45,103 --> 01:28:47,400
>> Mayor: okay.

2607
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:48,506
We have no other -- everyone, do

2608
01:28:48,506 --> 01:28:50,509
we have any other comments from

2609
01:28:50,509 --> 01:28:51,876
the dais, our colleagues?

2610
01:28:51,876 --> 01:28:52,310
Any other comments?

2611
01:28:52,310 --> 01:28:53,678
Do I have a motion?

2612
01:28:53,678 --> 01:28:54,112
>> motion.

2613
01:28:54,112 --> 01:28:56,112
>> Mayor: so moved.

2614
01:28:57,782 --> 01:28:58,116
Commissioner stuyvesant.

2615
01:28:58,116 --> 01:28:58,550
Second?

2616
01:28:58,550 --> 01:28:58,817
Do I have a second?

2617
01:28:58,817 --> 01:29:00,785
>> second.

2618
01:29:00,785 --> 01:29:00,985
>> Mayor: second, commissioner

2619
01:29:00,985 --> 01:29:01,319
lama.

2620
01:29:01,319 --> 01:29:03,319
All in favor.

2621
01:29:08,125 --> 01:29:09,194
[Ayes]

2622
01:29:09,194 --> 01:29:10,295
>> Mayor: thank you, rick.

2623
01:29:10,295 --> 01:29:12,164
Item 10-c.

2624
01:29:12,164 --> 01:29:13,498
>> 10-c is a resolution

2625
01:29:13,498 --> 01:29:15,898
rejecting all proposals received

2626
01:29:16,501 --> 01:29:17,802
for request for proposal number

2627
01:29:17,802 --> 01:29:19,871
22-09-01 for restaurant lease

2628
01:29:19,871 --> 01:29:22,271
and operations at 18050 collins

2629
01:29:29,281 --> 01:29:31,281
avenue.

2630
01:29:31,550 --> 01:29:33,550
>> good evening, honorable

2631
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:36,188
mayor, and vice mayor, and

2632
01:29:36,188 --> 01:29:38,188
commissioners.

2633
01:29:39,791 --> 01:29:40,625
Tonight I will detail the

2634
01:29:40,625 --> 01:29:41,693
procurement process for the

2635
01:29:41,693 --> 01:29:42,995
subject rfp, in addition I will

2636
01:29:42,995 --> 01:29:45,995
be providing the city manager's

2637
01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:49,320
recommendation.

2638
01:29:50,768 --> 01:29:53,438
On SEPTEMBER 9th, 2022, the city

2639
01:29:53,438 --> 01:29:55,838
released the request for

2640
01:29:57,109 --> 01:29:58,544
proposals, also known as an rfp

2641
01:29:58,544 --> 01:30:01,544
was released on demand star.

2642
01:30:01,713 --> 01:30:03,515
20 vendors registered as a plan

2643
01:30:03,515 --> 01:30:04,248
holder to receive automatic

2644
01:30:04,248 --> 01:30:06,648
updates regarding this rfp.

2645
01:30:06,852 --> 01:30:07,953
For those of you who are not

2646
01:30:07,953 --> 01:30:10,353
familiar with demand star,

2647
01:30:10,888 --> 01:30:11,523
demand star is a recognized

2648
01:30:11,523 --> 01:30:12,791
procurement database platform

2649
01:30:12,791 --> 01:30:13,358
with thousands of registered

2650
01:30:13,358 --> 01:30:15,758
vendors according to their

2651
01:30:17,396 --> 01:30:19,130
commodity code.

2652
01:30:19,130 --> 01:30:22,730
In addition to demand star, the

2653
01:30:24,870 --> 01:30:25,970
rfp was e-mailed to over 400

2654
01:30:25,970 --> 01:30:28,370
restaurants, listed on the

2655
01:30:29,740 --> 01:30:29,808
florida restaurant and lodging

2656
01:30:29,808 --> 01:30:30,409
association, and the greater

2657
01:30:30,409 --> 01:30:32,809
miami convention and visitors

2658
01:30:33,979 --> 01:30:35,979
database.

2659
01:30:36,882 --> 01:30:37,149
The rfp was also e-mailed --

2660
01:30:37,149 --> 01:30:38,917
>> sorry.

2661
01:30:38,917 --> 01:30:40,917
>> Mayor: thank you.

2662
01:30:42,154 --> 01:30:44,154
[Laughter]

2663
01:30:44,924 --> 01:30:45,791
>> the rfp was also e-mailed to

2664
01:30:45,791 --> 01:30:47,560
approximately 15 interested

2665
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:49,195
vendors who contacted the city,

2666
01:30:49,195 --> 01:30:52,795
requesting to be added to the

2667
01:30:53,565 --> 01:30:55,565
vendor's list.

2668
01:30:56,101 --> 01:30:57,436
The city held a non-mandatory

2669
01:30:57,436 --> 01:30:58,137
sunshine preproposal conference

2670
01:30:58,137 --> 01:31:01,440
and site visit to the location

2671
01:31:01,440 --> 01:31:03,440
on SEPTEMBER 20th, 2022.

2672
01:31:05,277 --> 01:31:07,580
In which seven interested

2673
01:31:07,580 --> 01:31:09,782
vendors attended the meeting.

2674
01:31:09,782 --> 01:31:12,585
The two dates for the submittals

2675
01:31:12,585 --> 01:31:13,819
was OCTOBER 20th, 2022, no later

2676
01:31:13,819 --> 01:31:15,819
than 11:00 A.M.

2677
01:31:16,255 --> 01:31:18,591
On OCTOBER 20th, the city

2678
01:31:18,591 --> 01:31:19,225
clerk's office received two

2679
01:31:19,225 --> 01:31:22,225
proposals by the said deadline

2680
01:31:23,290 --> 01:31:26,290
in response to the rfp.

2681
01:31:28,167 --> 01:31:29,602
The two proposals was one

2682
01:31:29,602 --> 01:31:29,768
pantheon gastrobarn and prime 29

2683
01:31:29,768 --> 01:31:31,537
inc.

2684
01:31:31,537 --> 01:31:33,372
The evaluation committee

2685
01:31:33,372 --> 01:31:36,372
appointed by the city manager

2686
01:31:37,210 --> 01:31:38,177
was composed of three city

2687
01:31:38,177 --> 01:31:40,246
employees, which was the

2688
01:31:40,246 --> 01:31:42,140
assistant city manager, the

2689
01:31:42,140 --> 01:31:44,414
planning and zoning director,

2690
01:31:45,284 --> 01:31:47,387
and our senior accountant.

2691
01:31:47,387 --> 01:31:50,123
The evaluation committee met to

2692
01:31:50,123 --> 01:31:52,458
review and rank the two

2693
01:31:52,458 --> 01:31:53,893
proposals on NOVEMBER 3rd, 2022

2694
01:31:53,893 --> 01:31:54,930
on the fourth floor conference

2695
01:31:54,930 --> 01:31:56,930
room.

2696
01:31:56,129 --> 01:31:56,728
The meeting was posted on the

2697
01:31:56,728 --> 01:31:59,728
city's website as a sunshine

2698
01:32:00,330 --> 01:32:02,330
public meeting.

2699
01:32:02,468 --> 01:32:04,470
Based off the criteria on page

2700
01:32:04,470 --> 01:32:07,470
31 of the rfp solicitation, the

2701
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:08,174
committee evaluated and ranked

2702
01:32:08,174 --> 01:32:10,574
pantheon gastrobar as the

2703
01:32:11,577 --> 01:32:12,946
highest ranked firm.

2704
01:32:12,946 --> 01:32:13,913
After consideration and

2705
01:32:13,913 --> 01:32:15,181
reviewing the committee's

2706
01:32:15,181 --> 01:32:16,448
recommendation the city manager

2707
01:32:16,448 --> 01:32:19,919
finds that it is in the best

2708
01:32:19,919 --> 01:32:20,653
interest of the city to reject

2709
01:32:20,653 --> 01:32:21,721
all proposals.

2710
01:32:21,721 --> 01:32:22,989
Therefore, if you have any

2711
01:32:22,989 --> 01:32:23,723
questions regarding the

2712
01:32:23,723 --> 01:32:25,124
procurement process, I'll be

2713
01:32:25,124 --> 01:32:26,725
more than happy to address them.

2714
01:32:26,725 --> 01:32:27,560
But if not, I will turn it over

2715
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:29,229
to the city manager, if he

2716
01:32:29,229 --> 01:32:32,229
wishes to expand on his

2717
01:32:35,301 --> 01:32:36,870
recommendation.

2718
01:32:36,870 --> 01:32:37,237
>> mayor, vice mayor, members of

2719
01:32:37,237 --> 01:32:37,804
the commission.

2720
01:32:37,804 --> 01:32:41,841
I felt that as if, with the

2721
01:32:41,841 --> 01:32:44,610
number of bids that we had, we

2722
01:32:44,610 --> 01:32:47,130
only had two viable bids, and I

2723
01:32:47,130 --> 01:32:48,181
didn't think it in the best

2724
01:32:48,181 --> 01:32:49,282
interest of the city to put us

2725
01:32:49,282 --> 01:32:52,882
into a contract for ten years

2726
01:32:53,219 --> 01:32:55,188
based on only two viable bids.

2727
01:32:55,188 --> 01:32:58,592
So with that we would ask your

2728
01:32:58,592 --> 01:32:59,559
guidance in rejecting the bids,

2729
01:32:59,559 --> 01:33:00,125
and placing the property again

2730
01:33:00,125 --> 01:33:01,695
out to bid, if that's your

2731
01:33:01,695 --> 01:33:03,695
desire.

2732
01:33:08,134 --> 01:33:08,735
Thank you.

2733
01:33:08,735 --> 01:33:11,735
>> Mayor: we have two public

2734
01:33:26,219 --> 01:33:27,621
speakers.

2735
01:33:27,621 --> 01:33:29,621
>> hi.

2736
01:33:29,856 --> 01:33:31,491
[Inaudible] Cols avenue.

2737
01:33:31,491 --> 01:33:32,159
We own family business, it's a

2738
01:33:32,159 --> 01:33:34,610
kosher restaurant.

2739
01:33:34,610 --> 01:33:37,300
We are rated the number one

2740
01:33:37,300 --> 01:33:38,498
restaurant in new york city as

2741
01:33:38,498 --> 01:33:40,133
of now.

2742
01:33:40,133 --> 01:33:41,567
Located, we have kosher

2743
01:33:41,567 --> 01:33:42,200
clientele and nonkosher

2744
01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:44,200
clientele, as well.

2745
01:33:46,273 --> 01:33:49,760
And I would like the opportunity

2746
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:52,760
to proceed across the street.

2747
01:33:58,151 --> 01:33:59,586
And [Indiscernible].

2748
01:33:59,586 --> 01:34:01,540
I think sunny isles is an

2749
01:34:01,540 --> 01:34:02,990
upscale nice for kosher

2750
01:34:02,990 --> 01:34:05,392
restaurant, and it could be

2751
01:34:05,392 --> 01:34:07,270
kosher and nonkosher for other

2752
01:34:07,270 --> 01:34:07,828
clients, as well.

2753
01:34:07,828 --> 01:34:09,529
>> just to clarify.

2754
01:34:09,529 --> 01:34:09,763
You're not one of the two

2755
01:34:09,763 --> 01:34:10,197
vendors?

2756
01:34:10,197 --> 01:34:10,364
>> no.

2757
01:34:10,364 --> 01:34:12,364
Yes.

2758
01:34:13,200 --> 01:34:13,701
>> okay.

2759
01:34:13,701 --> 01:34:14,535
Just wanted to clarify.

2760
01:34:14,535 --> 01:34:16,700
Thank you.

2761
01:34:16,700 --> 01:34:19,390
>> Mayor: so if and when it

2762
01:34:19,390 --> 01:34:19,873
shows up for rebid you're

2763
01:34:19,873 --> 01:34:22,109
certainly welcome to participate

2764
01:34:22,109 --> 01:34:22,376
so that we can have a wider

2765
01:34:22,376 --> 01:34:23,343
sampling.

2766
01:34:23,343 --> 01:34:25,343
>> 100%.

2767
01:34:25,346 --> 01:34:26,446
>> Mayor: -- viable vendors

2768
01:34:26,446 --> 01:34:26,714
rather than just the two that

2769
01:34:26,714 --> 01:34:28,714
submitted.

2770
01:34:31,585 --> 01:34:33,120
>> 100% I would like that.

2771
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:34,855
-- spoke to before and I

2772
01:34:34,855 --> 01:34:36,557
explainedwhat kind of clientele

2773
01:34:36,557 --> 01:34:37,157
we actually host, commissioners,

2774
01:34:37,157 --> 01:34:38,425
mayors, the PRESIDENT, and on

2775
01:34:38,425 --> 01:34:39,260
and on and on.

2776
01:34:39,260 --> 01:34:42,260
>> Mayor: thank you very much.

2777
01:34:43,898 --> 01:34:45,898
>> thank you.

2778
01:34:53,206 --> 01:34:55,206
>> Mayor: alejandra amada.

2779
01:34:59,213 --> 01:35:01,213
>> hi, good evening.

2780
01:35:02,830 --> 01:35:05,520
Thank you to all the commission

2781
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:08,520
and mayor to introduce myself.

2782
01:35:09,223 --> 01:35:12,393
My name is alejandro, I'm a real

2783
01:35:12,393 --> 01:35:14,695
estate advisor for b&e

2784
01:35:14,695 --> 01:35:16,695
entertainment restaurant group,

2785
01:35:17,398 --> 01:35:20,998
and I come here to recommend

2786
01:35:24,471 --> 01:35:27,471
adopt the resolution 22-09-01.

2787
01:35:28,242 --> 01:35:31,242
To our group to introduce

2788
01:35:31,312 --> 01:35:34,912
ourselves as well, and for the

2789
01:35:36,751 --> 01:35:38,186
space for 18050 collins avenue.

2790
01:35:38,186 --> 01:35:41,422
I see that my client has

2791
01:35:41,422 --> 01:35:43,858
experience for over 20 years, or

2792
01:35:43,858 --> 01:35:44,659
25 years in miami beach, in the

2793
01:35:44,659 --> 01:35:46,659
beach miami location.

2794
01:35:49,230 --> 01:35:49,897
It's the greatest beach, and

2795
01:35:49,897 --> 01:35:53,101
going to be a great project for

2796
01:35:53,101 --> 01:35:53,534
sunny isles beach.

2797
01:35:53,534 --> 01:35:55,534
>> Mayor: thank you.

2798
01:35:56,370 --> 01:35:58,770
>> did you bid before?

2799
01:35:59,874 --> 01:36:00,575
>> no.

2800
01:36:00,575 --> 01:36:02,430
>> okay.

2801
01:36:02,430 --> 01:36:05,713
>> and we would like to want to

2802
01:36:05,713 --> 01:36:06,814
adopt the resolution in order to

2803
01:36:06,814 --> 01:36:07,150
have the procurement in this

2804
01:36:07,150 --> 01:36:08,383
case.

2805
01:36:08,383 --> 01:36:10,383
>> okay.

2806
01:36:12,453 --> 01:36:13,154
>> Mayor: thank you.

2807
01:36:13,154 --> 01:36:15,154
>> thank you.

2808
01:36:16,240 --> 01:36:19,240
>> Mayor: I have another from

2809
01:36:20,662 --> 01:36:23,662
your group, I guess elva.

2810
01:36:24,531 --> 01:36:24,866
>> good evening, MADAM Mayor,

2811
01:36:24,866 --> 01:36:26,866
commissioners.

2812
01:36:26,868 --> 01:36:28,303
I'm the director of

2813
01:36:28,303 --> 01:36:30,204
communications for the

2814
01:36:30,204 --> 01:36:32,941
restaurant group as well as my

2815
01:36:32,941 --> 01:36:34,750
colleague alejandro for like for

2816
01:36:34,750 --> 01:36:35,777
you to support the resolution,

2817
01:36:35,777 --> 01:36:38,777
the adoption of the resolution

2818
01:36:39,614 --> 01:36:42,317
for the rejection, provided that

2819
01:36:42,317 --> 01:36:44,190
that happens, our group, 25

2820
01:36:44,190 --> 01:36:45,687
years in miami beach, received

2821
01:36:45,687 --> 01:36:47,656
the key of the city of miami

2822
01:36:47,656 --> 01:36:51,920
beach and soon to reopen the

2823
01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:51,726
news cafe, our group would like

2824
01:36:51,726 --> 01:36:55,326
to, I mean we'll definitely --

2825
01:36:57,299 --> 01:36:58,667
we were not aware of the bid.

2826
01:36:58,667 --> 01:37:00,100
And but definitely provided you

2827
01:37:00,100 --> 01:37:00,502
adopt this resolution, we will

2828
01:37:00,502 --> 01:37:02,437
definitely provide ours.

2829
01:37:02,437 --> 01:37:03,400
Thank you.

2830
01:37:03,400 --> 01:37:03,271
>> Mayor: thank you so much.

2831
01:37:03,271 --> 01:37:05,271
Thank you.

2832
01:37:06,942 --> 01:37:08,510
Okay.

2833
01:37:08,510 --> 01:37:09,210
Do we have any other comments,

2834
01:37:09,210 --> 01:37:13,214
or are we going to take a

2835
01:37:13,214 --> 01:37:15,214
motion?

2836
01:37:17,152 --> 01:37:20,756
>> can -- if we decide not to go

2837
01:37:20,756 --> 01:37:21,990
with the pantheon gastrobar can

2838
01:37:21,990 --> 01:37:25,590
we get maybe direction to start

2839
01:37:26,361 --> 01:37:28,761
the bidding process immediately.

2840
01:37:29,298 --> 01:37:29,498
Now how long -- how does that

2841
01:37:29,498 --> 01:37:30,131
work?

2842
01:37:30,131 --> 01:37:32,531
If we get approved?

2843
01:37:34,803 --> 01:37:37,205
>> mayor, as part of the

2844
01:37:37,205 --> 01:37:38,140
discussion we'd like some

2845
01:37:38,140 --> 01:37:38,874
direction on whether we should

2846
01:37:38,874 --> 01:37:41,874
continue with the current lease

2847
01:37:42,845 --> 01:37:43,100
that we have of the space right

2848
01:37:43,100 --> 01:37:43,178
now.

2849
01:37:43,178 --> 01:37:44,746
>>.

2850
01:37:44,746 --> 01:37:45,914
>> Mayor: I mean in my

2851
01:37:45,914 --> 01:37:47,883
understanding part of the

2852
01:37:47,883 --> 01:37:48,649
impediment or difficulty in this

2853
01:37:48,649 --> 01:37:50,180
process was because there's

2854
01:37:50,180 --> 01:37:50,285
construction going on with the

2855
01:37:50,285 --> 01:37:50,486
garage.

2856
01:37:50,486 --> 01:37:52,486
Right?

2857
01:37:55,289 --> 01:37:56,758
And it makes it difficult to

2858
01:37:56,758 --> 01:37:58,193
really, you know, cars,

2859
01:37:58,193 --> 01:37:58,527
construction, and, you know,

2860
01:37:58,527 --> 01:38:00,527
interference.

2861
01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:03,980
I think that was part of it, to

2862
01:38:03,980 --> 01:38:04,800
allow to get that -- get that

2863
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:04,882
building finally constructed

2864
01:38:04,882 --> 01:38:05,434
-

2865
01:38:05,434 --> 01:38:06,535
before we --

2866
01:38:06,535 --> 01:38:08,535
>> that's correct.

2867
01:38:09,370 --> 01:38:11,273
There's some pre-existing

2868
01:38:11,273 --> 01:38:13,208
approvals that will take up the

2869
01:38:13,208 --> 01:38:14,476
west side of the property.

2870
01:38:14,476 --> 01:38:15,878
Which would encumber the

2871
01:38:15,878 --> 01:38:17,120
property from the perspective of

2872
01:38:17,120 --> 01:38:17,479
having a dumpster and things

2873
01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:19,479
like that.

2874
01:38:20,480 --> 01:38:22,484
So we currently have an option

2875
01:38:22,484 --> 01:38:24,453
with our existing tenant to

2876
01:38:24,453 --> 01:38:27,990
extend the lease for six months

2877
01:38:27,990 --> 01:38:30,859
up to a year at a rate of

2878
01:38:30,859 --> 01:38:31,660
$20,000 a month.

2879
01:38:31,660 --> 01:38:32,361
>> Mayor: which would, you know,

2880
01:38:32,361 --> 01:38:34,630
more than cover.

2881
01:38:34,630 --> 01:38:35,231
I think the issue really is

2882
01:38:35,231 --> 01:38:36,265
while that construction's going

2883
01:38:36,265 --> 01:38:39,235
on it's difficult for any

2884
01:38:39,235 --> 01:38:39,869
restaurant to really come in,

2885
01:38:39,869 --> 01:38:40,360
and, you know, effectively open

2886
01:38:40,360 --> 01:38:42,360
up.

2887
01:38:43,305 --> 01:38:43,672
I mean, that's part of it.

2888
01:38:43,672 --> 01:38:46,720
Is, you know --

2889
01:38:46,108 --> 01:38:48,410
>> but the fact that we have two

2890
01:38:48,410 --> 01:38:50,780
residents here that are

2891
01:38:50,780 --> 01:38:51,314
interested, they know the

2892
01:38:51,314 --> 01:38:53,215
conditions, as well.

2893
01:38:53,215 --> 01:38:54,350
And even with the process, it

2894
01:38:54,350 --> 01:38:56,350
takes time, right?

2895
01:38:58,754 --> 01:39:00,523
Like you have to announce it,

2896
01:39:00,523 --> 01:39:02,425
and prepare, et cetera.

2897
01:39:02,425 --> 01:39:06,280
So, what would be the time frame

2898
01:39:06,280 --> 01:39:06,696
to start all over again that

2899
01:39:06,696 --> 01:39:08,598
process?

2900
01:39:08,598 --> 01:39:09,531
>> to release the solicitation

2901
01:39:09,531 --> 01:39:10,500
process, at least to advertise

2902
01:39:10,500 --> 01:39:10,700
and release a minimum of 30

2903
01:39:10,700 --> 01:39:11,133
days.

2904
01:39:11,133 --> 01:39:13,133
And that's minimum.

2905
01:39:15,438 --> 01:39:16,372
>> correct.

2906
01:39:16,372 --> 01:39:17,206
>> Mayor: when is that garage

2907
01:39:17,206 --> 01:39:18,773
going to be open?

2908
01:39:18,773 --> 01:39:18,974
Are we talking six months from

2909
01:39:18,974 --> 01:39:20,974
now?

2910
01:39:21,209 --> 01:39:21,510
Or eight months?

2911
01:39:21,510 --> 01:39:22,811
How long --

2912
01:39:22,811 --> 01:39:24,213
>> the estimate is a year.

2913
01:39:24,213 --> 01:39:27,483
So by DECEMBER of next year.

2914
01:39:27,483 --> 01:39:29,483
If not sooner.

2915
01:39:30,190 --> 01:39:32,355
>> MR. City manager, when tony

2916
01:39:32,355 --> 01:39:32,921
roma's was easing the property,

2917
01:39:32,921 --> 01:39:36,521
what was their rent, do you

2918
01:39:38,661 --> 01:39:39,429
recall?

2919
01:39:39,429 --> 01:39:42,932
>> I think it was 20,000 plus a

2920
01:39:42,932 --> 01:39:44,932
percentage.

2921
01:39:46,168 --> 01:39:47,360
>> so it's not -- it's not a

2922
01:39:47,360 --> 01:39:49,720
revenue, it's really more

2923
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:49,872
because of the staging and the

2924
01:39:49,872 --> 01:39:50,673
construction of the garage --

2925
01:39:50,673 --> 01:39:54,273
>> the city would be at a

2926
01:39:55,311 --> 01:39:56,790
deficit to -- if we leased it

2927
01:39:56,790 --> 01:39:58,479
under those conditions, we

2928
01:39:58,548 --> 01:40:01,184
wouldn't get -- be able to get

2929
01:40:01,184 --> 01:40:02,185
the maximum amount.

2930
01:40:02,185 --> 01:40:04,821
>> the other part is that the

2931
01:40:04,821 --> 01:40:06,890
city would have to pay the

2932
01:40:06,890 --> 01:40:07,357
taxes, and we're in negotiations

2933
01:40:07,357 --> 01:40:10,193
with the current tenant that

2934
01:40:10,193 --> 01:40:11,260
would require them to pay the

2935
01:40:11,260 --> 01:40:14,260
taxes, depending upon the length

2936
01:40:17,367 --> 01:40:18,802
of their next lease with us.

2937
01:40:18,802 --> 01:40:19,536
>> but right now they're --

2938
01:40:19,536 --> 01:40:20,336
>> correct.

2939
01:40:20,336 --> 01:40:21,471
They're scheduled to vacate at

2940
01:40:21,471 --> 01:40:22,339
the end of the month.

2941
01:40:22,339 --> 01:40:24,739
>> and they're interested in

2942
01:40:24,741 --> 01:40:26,710
staying for another year?

2943
01:40:26,710 --> 01:40:27,310
>> yes, they are.

2944
01:40:27,310 --> 01:40:27,744
In conjunction with the

2945
01:40:27,744 --> 01:40:29,112
construction.

2946
01:40:29,112 --> 01:40:31,512
>> I mean, again, that's

2947
01:40:32,182 --> 01:40:33,616
probably why we didn't get a lot

2948
01:40:33,616 --> 01:40:33,917
of bids.

2949
01:40:33,917 --> 01:40:35,917
Right?

2950
01:40:36,520 --> 01:40:37,220
Because no -- it's unrealistic

2951
01:40:37,220 --> 01:40:40,724
to think that a restaurant, even

2952
01:40:40,724 --> 01:40:44,827
if they got in right away, you

2953
01:40:44,827 --> 01:40:48,427
know, whether they could get in,

2954
01:40:48,465 --> 01:40:49,499
and get in the construction and

2955
01:40:49,499 --> 01:40:51,899
interference in that area.

2956
01:40:52,334 --> 01:40:53,236
>> -- out of the city, as well.

2957
01:40:53,236 --> 01:40:55,305
>> construction inside and to

2958
01:40:55,305 --> 01:40:56,907
get ready.

2959
01:40:56,907 --> 01:40:59,843
>> so really doesn't make sense

2960
01:40:59,843 --> 01:41:00,977
for us to resubmit it at this

2961
01:41:00,977 --> 01:41:01,578
point except to the current

2962
01:41:01,578 --> 01:41:03,578
persons --

2963
01:41:03,613 --> 01:41:04,814
>> Mayor: that's my thought.

2964
01:41:04,814 --> 01:41:05,983
>> stay with this situation

2965
01:41:05,983 --> 01:41:06,616
until --

2966
01:41:06,616 --> 01:41:07,918
>> Mayor: it's a --

2967
01:41:07,918 --> 01:41:08,185
>> -- garage construction is

2968
01:41:08,185 --> 01:41:09,953
complete.

2969
01:41:09,953 --> 01:41:10,721
>> Mayor: it's a disservice to

2970
01:41:10,721 --> 01:41:11,287
go immediately into a, you know,

2971
01:41:11,287 --> 01:41:14,287
a bidding process for that

2972
01:41:14,690 --> 01:41:16,426
space, given the construction

2973
01:41:16,426 --> 01:41:16,693
and the impediment that's

2974
01:41:16,693 --> 01:41:18,693
occurring.

2975
01:41:19,630 --> 01:41:20,764
>> but remember that the

2976
01:41:20,764 --> 01:41:22,432
leasing, the bidding process

2977
01:41:22,432 --> 01:41:25,432
would take like three months.

2978
01:41:26,270 --> 01:41:27,370
And once we decide who's going

2979
01:41:27,370 --> 01:41:29,206
to be there they need like four

2980
01:41:29,206 --> 01:41:33,406
to six months also to get ready

2981
01:41:33,977 --> 01:41:35,211
for construction themselves.

2982
01:41:35,211 --> 01:41:37,211
>> yeah, but --

2983
01:41:37,213 --> 01:41:37,548
>> yeah but it's going to happen

2984
01:41:37,548 --> 01:41:38,215
regardless.

2985
01:41:38,215 --> 01:41:40,215
Earlier or later.

2986
01:41:41,218 --> 01:41:42,190
So they're going to need the

2987
01:41:42,190 --> 01:41:43,787
time to build.

2988
01:41:43,787 --> 01:41:44,955
So do we have one construction

2989
01:41:44,955 --> 01:41:45,289
going on or have two

2990
01:41:45,289 --> 01:41:46,856
construction.

2991
01:41:46,856 --> 01:41:49,226
So maybe they can finish at the

2992
01:41:49,226 --> 01:41:50,930
same time.

2993
01:41:50,930 --> 01:41:51,428
And at the time that the

2994
01:41:51,428 --> 01:41:52,630
apartment is ready then the

2995
01:41:52,630 --> 01:41:52,997
restaurant can be opened.

2996
01:41:52,997 --> 01:41:54,997
>> right.

2997
01:41:56,000 --> 01:41:56,700
But in any event this is not the

2998
01:41:56,700 --> 01:41:57,334
moment to take bids.

2999
01:41:57,334 --> 01:42:00,400
Because the garage is not that

3000
01:42:00,400 --> 01:42:02,400
far along.

3001
01:42:05,209 --> 01:42:06,100
>> Mayor: for me, I think we

3002
01:42:06,100 --> 01:42:06,911
should, you know, reach out for

3003
01:42:06,911 --> 01:42:08,911
another six months.

3004
01:42:10,247 --> 01:42:13,217
We can start the bidding process

3005
01:42:13,217 --> 01:42:14,418
in six months maybe --

3006
01:42:14,418 --> 01:42:15,619
>> but why do it --

3007
01:42:15,619 --> 01:42:18,190
>> the tenant, because they

3008
01:42:18,889 --> 01:42:21,592
would be responsible for paying

3009
01:42:21,592 --> 01:42:22,920
the taxes, has requested a

3010
01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:22,359
minimum of a six month

3011
01:42:22,359 --> 01:42:23,460
extension.

3012
01:42:23,460 --> 01:42:25,860
The taxes are approximately

3013
01:42:25,863 --> 01:42:27,863
$60,000 on the space.

3014
01:42:28,650 --> 01:42:29,200
So if the tenant vacates then we

3015
01:42:29,200 --> 01:42:32,200
will be responsible for paying

3016
01:42:33,700 --> 01:42:34,710
the taxes for this next year.

3017
01:42:34,710 --> 01:42:35,873
>> but they have no other

3018
01:42:35,873 --> 01:42:36,207
opportunity to put their offices

3019
01:42:36,207 --> 01:42:37,475
anywhere.

3020
01:42:37,475 --> 01:42:38,809
So I think they need us more

3021
01:42:38,809 --> 01:42:41,209
than we need them.

3022
01:42:44,949 --> 01:42:48,549
>> Mayor: for me I think we

3023
01:42:48,886 --> 01:42:52,486
should, you know, I think we

3024
01:42:52,824 --> 01:42:54,125
should [Inaudible]

3025
01:42:54,125 --> 01:42:55,626
>> yeah, I would think five

3026
01:42:55,626 --> 01:42:58,626
months we could reopen the

3027
01:42:58,796 --> 01:43:01,265
bidding process, and be at a

3028
01:43:01,265 --> 01:43:02,566
good -- at a good, you know,

3029
01:43:02,566 --> 01:43:03,167
look-see situation.

3030
01:43:03,167 --> 01:43:06,167
>> how long does the bidding

3031
01:43:06,804 --> 01:43:08,804
process take?

3032
01:43:09,400 --> 01:43:10,174
What you just walked us through,

3033
01:43:10,174 --> 01:43:11,242
how long did that take?

3034
01:43:11,242 --> 01:43:12,410
>> I'll give you the schedule on

3035
01:43:12,410 --> 01:43:13,477
the existing rfp.

3036
01:43:13,477 --> 01:43:14,378
So the release was SEPTEMBER

3037
01:43:14,378 --> 01:43:16,378
9th.

3038
01:43:17,480 --> 01:43:17,648
The release that we released it

3039
01:43:17,648 --> 01:43:19,550
on demand star to the public.

3040
01:43:19,550 --> 01:43:21,550
>> so three months.

3041
01:43:25,223 --> 01:43:26,157
Okay.

3042
01:43:26,157 --> 01:43:29,600
>> okay I have my thoughts, too.

3043
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:30,829
So I think we should desist from

3044
01:43:30,829 --> 01:43:32,263
making tony roma's or the old

3045
01:43:32,263 --> 01:43:33,665
tony roma's a restaurant.

3046
01:43:33,665 --> 01:43:34,599
I think we should use it for

3047
01:43:34,599 --> 01:43:35,700
office space.

3048
01:43:35,700 --> 01:43:35,900
We're super crowded on the third

3049
01:43:35,900 --> 01:43:37,900
floor.

3050
01:43:38,360 --> 01:43:39,270
And if you look at it from a

3051
01:43:39,270 --> 01:43:41,670
productivity standpoint, I think

3052
01:43:42,440 --> 01:43:44,309
that if we move some people

3053
01:43:44,309 --> 01:43:44,542
there, that that will work

3054
01:43:44,542 --> 01:43:44,742
better.

3055
01:43:44,742 --> 01:43:46,444
Okay?

3056
01:43:46,444 --> 01:43:47,145
We're not in the business of

3057
01:43:47,145 --> 01:43:47,345
being landlords.

3058
01:43:47,345 --> 01:43:49,147
Okay?

3059
01:43:49,147 --> 01:43:49,814
We've had bad experiences with

3060
01:43:49,814 --> 01:43:50,140
tony roma's.

3061
01:43:50,140 --> 01:43:51,416
Okay.

3062
01:43:51,416 --> 01:43:53,250
We only got small percentage on

3063
01:43:53,250 --> 01:43:55,250
the dollar.

3064
01:43:55,820 --> 01:43:59,240
For that rent that they owed us.

3065
01:43:59,240 --> 01:43:59,256
And then look at turnberry sales

3066
01:43:59,256 --> 01:43:59,890
office.

3067
01:43:59,890 --> 01:44:01,593
With this administration --

3068
01:44:01,593 --> 01:44:03,228
>> -- the city's --

3069
01:44:03,228 --> 01:44:03,995
>> I'm not saying it's the

3070
01:44:03,995 --> 01:44:05,295
city's fault.

3071
01:44:05,295 --> 01:44:06,364
But, but we should stay focused

3072
01:44:06,364 --> 01:44:07,966
on what our mission is.

3073
01:44:07,966 --> 01:44:09,634
And what our business is.

3074
01:44:09,634 --> 01:44:10,702
And I think we should move -- we

3075
01:44:10,702 --> 01:44:11,603
should use that.

3076
01:44:11,603 --> 01:44:13,204
It's a great space.

3077
01:44:13,204 --> 01:44:13,438
We should use it as office

3078
01:44:13,438 --> 01:44:15,438
space.

3079
01:44:16,173 --> 01:44:16,875
And forget about having a

3080
01:44:16,875 --> 01:44:18,875
restaurant there.

3081
01:44:19,644 --> 01:44:19,844
I mean, there's restaurants

3082
01:44:19,844 --> 01:44:20,845
here.

3083
01:44:20,845 --> 01:44:23,845
And that's not our business.

3084
01:44:24,683 --> 01:44:26,450
I mean, if we tie ourselves up

3085
01:44:26,450 --> 01:44:27,486
for a ten-year lease, I mean

3086
01:44:27,486 --> 01:44:29,888
right now we're having issues

3087
01:44:29,888 --> 01:44:31,523
with space.

3088
01:44:31,523 --> 01:44:35,961
I mean, I don't see why we have

3089
01:44:35,961 --> 01:44:37,963
to make it a restaurant there.

3090
01:44:37,963 --> 01:44:40,363
>> Mayor: alex recognizing your

3091
01:44:46,471 --> 01:44:47,406
comments [Inaudible].

3092
01:44:47,406 --> 01:44:50,142
>> that's not even the issue.

3093
01:44:50,142 --> 01:44:52,142
>> it is.

3094
01:44:53,178 --> 01:44:55,178
>> it's actually both.

3095
01:44:56,480 --> 01:44:57,282
Because, they would have to

3096
01:44:57,282 --> 01:45:00,282
leave these premises on or

3097
01:45:00,318 --> 01:45:02,318
before DECEMBER 31st.

3098
01:45:03,654 --> 01:45:04,856
So if you want an extension --

3099
01:45:04,856 --> 01:45:06,856
>> I thought --

3100
01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:09,995
>> but they need six more months

3101
01:45:09,995 --> 01:45:14,195
in order to agree to pay the

3102
01:45:16,401 --> 01:45:16,702
taxes for the coming year.

3103
01:45:16,702 --> 01:45:18,637
[Inaudible]

3104
01:45:18,637 --> 01:45:20,772
They're asking for a six-month

3105
01:45:20,772 --> 01:45:22,772
minimum extension.

3106
01:45:24,843 --> 01:45:26,378
So if you want to approve this

3107
01:45:26,378 --> 01:45:28,313
item, and then understand or

3108
01:45:28,313 --> 01:45:29,548
give the manager the authority

3109
01:45:29,548 --> 01:45:31,583
to go ahead and negotiate so

3110
01:45:31,583 --> 01:45:33,819
that it starts on JANUARY the

3111
01:45:33,819 --> 01:45:38,190
1st, and come back to you in

3112
01:45:39,792 --> 01:45:41,226
JANUARY to ratify that lease.

3113
01:45:41,226 --> 01:45:43,280
>> listen, nothing's going to

3114
01:45:43,280 --> 01:45:45,640
happen before six months and

3115
01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:46,565
then we get 20k per month

3116
01:45:46,565 --> 01:45:48,734
correct if not more if they're

3117
01:45:48,734 --> 01:45:48,934
going to move more people in

3118
01:45:48,934 --> 01:45:50,934
there.

3119
01:45:50,969 --> 01:45:52,371
And then they pay our taxes.

3120
01:45:52,371 --> 01:45:53,973
Why not?

3121
01:45:53,973 --> 01:45:55,841
And then we decide whether we

3122
01:45:55,841 --> 01:45:57,276
make it a restaurant or not.

3123
01:45:57,276 --> 01:45:58,210
My idea is no we make it office

3124
01:45:58,210 --> 01:46:00,210
space eventually.

3125
01:46:01,747 --> 01:46:03,249
I mean, why tie ourselves up for

3126
01:46:03,249 --> 01:46:03,515
ten years with a restaurant

3127
01:46:03,515 --> 01:46:04,483
contract.

3128
01:46:04,483 --> 01:46:06,483
So, but anyhow.

3129
01:46:06,552 --> 01:46:09,220
But for now, short-term, yeah,

3130
01:46:09,220 --> 01:46:10,422
six month contract, and they pay

3131
01:46:10,422 --> 01:46:12,391
our taxes.

3132
01:46:12,391 --> 01:46:12,625
>> six months I feel it's a no

3133
01:46:12,625 --> 01:46:13,225
brainer.

3134
01:46:13,225 --> 01:46:15,225
>> what ma'am?

3135
01:46:28,640 --> 01:46:29,274
[Inaudible]

3136
01:46:29,274 --> 01:46:32,874
>> Mayor: we can pass a motion

3137
01:46:35,948 --> 01:46:37,750
to, you know, run out to bid,

3138
01:46:37,750 --> 01:46:39,418
and then also give the manager

3139
01:46:39,418 --> 01:46:40,219
direction to enter into a six

3140
01:46:40,219 --> 01:46:42,219
month lease.

3141
01:46:42,822 --> 01:46:47,220
>> before we do, I do want to

3142
01:46:47,590 --> 01:46:50,563
note I think we have to look --

3143
01:46:50,563 --> 01:46:52,265
and I think right now it's a low

3144
01:46:52,265 --> 01:46:55,701
risk, it makes sense, I get it.

3145
01:46:55,701 --> 01:46:56,769
But I do feel that for the

3146
01:46:56,769 --> 01:46:57,970
businesses to comply, and met

3147
01:46:57,970 --> 01:47:00,370
the deadlines that jumped

3148
01:47:00,840 --> 01:47:01,841
through the hoops, and I'm

3149
01:47:01,841 --> 01:47:03,810
sorry -- I'm sorry if it feels

3150
01:47:03,810 --> 01:47:04,430
like it's wasted time and

3151
01:47:04,430 --> 01:47:06,430
effort.

3152
01:47:06,546 --> 01:47:09,546
So I apologize for that.

3153
01:47:09,983 --> 01:47:13,583
But this is where we're at.

3154
01:47:13,653 --> 01:47:15,288
I mean, I -- I think it's -- I

3155
01:47:15,288 --> 01:47:17,123
think it -- I think it's what

3156
01:47:17,123 --> 01:47:19,523
makes sense to do.

3157
01:47:21,227 --> 01:47:22,280
But I'm sorry about the wasted

3158
01:47:22,280 --> 01:47:24,280
time and resources.

3159
01:47:26,320 --> 01:47:28,568
For the -- for the bidders.

3160
01:47:28,568 --> 01:47:30,270
>> I don't actually --

3161
01:47:30,270 --> 01:47:31,171
>> I'm sock with it.

3162
01:47:31,171 --> 01:47:32,505
>> because four months we're

3163
01:47:32,505 --> 01:47:35,442
going to open it up to bidding.

3164
01:47:35,442 --> 01:47:37,442
>> right, I know.

3165
01:47:37,744 --> 01:47:38,244
>> -- we haven't said that yet.

3166
01:47:38,244 --> 01:47:40,113
>> we have to do that.

3167
01:47:40,113 --> 01:47:43,113
>> Mayor: and we receive the

3168
01:47:52,920 --> 01:47:53,660
income sometime.

3169
01:47:53,660 --> 01:47:55,762
>> the whole point in the first

3170
01:47:55,762 --> 01:47:57,464
place --

3171
01:47:57,464 --> 01:47:58,765
>> it was to provide --

3172
01:47:58,765 --> 01:48:02,365
>> I like the idea of keeping

3173
01:48:02,468 --> 01:48:04,738
the property income producing.

3174
01:48:04,738 --> 01:48:07,107
We don't have other in taxes

3175
01:48:07,107 --> 01:48:08,608
other, you know, we have very

3176
01:48:08,608 --> 01:48:09,209
limited sources of -- the city

3177
01:48:09,209 --> 01:48:11,209
of revenue.

3178
01:48:11,745 --> 01:48:13,180
So I like the idea of having a

3179
01:48:13,180 --> 01:48:15,415
tenant, and right now we do.

3180
01:48:15,415 --> 01:48:18,415
And that meets our primary

3181
01:48:18,618 --> 01:48:19,519
purpose, if we brought in a

3182
01:48:19,519 --> 01:48:21,521
restaurant tomorrow, we would

3183
01:48:21,521 --> 01:48:22,890
not be receiving that rent right

3184
01:48:22,890 --> 01:48:22,289
away.

3185
01:48:22,289 --> 01:48:22,956
Right?

3186
01:48:22,956 --> 01:48:25,225
Because it would be that period

3187
01:48:25,225 --> 01:48:28,225
where they're building out or

3188
01:48:28,862 --> 01:48:30,862
whatever.

3189
01:48:31,665 --> 01:48:33,233
So we don't lose apparently.

3190
01:48:33,233 --> 01:48:35,435
We keep what we have.

3191
01:48:35,435 --> 01:48:35,635
We even get somebody to pay our

3192
01:48:35,635 --> 01:48:36,669
taxes.

3193
01:48:36,669 --> 01:48:39,720
To me that makes sense and I'm

3194
01:48:39,720 --> 01:48:40,307
okay with it.

3195
01:48:40,307 --> 01:48:44,507
And I would move to, you know,

3196
01:48:45,312 --> 01:48:48,382
go ahead and reject it, and --

3197
01:48:48,382 --> 01:48:49,182
>> what's the other part, what

3198
01:48:49,182 --> 01:48:49,916
do you need?

3199
01:48:49,916 --> 01:48:54,116
>> I would like to go into a

3200
01:48:55,210 --> 01:48:56,423
rebid in three months.

3201
01:48:56,423 --> 01:48:57,291
>> three months.

3202
01:48:57,291 --> 01:48:59,193
Four months.

3203
01:48:59,193 --> 01:49:00,694
>> Mayor: if we enter into a six

3204
01:49:00,694 --> 01:49:02,362
month lease I don't know if we

3205
01:49:02,362 --> 01:49:05,362
can rebid in three months.

3206
01:49:05,799 --> 01:49:09,236
Do we need to get into that --

3207
01:49:09,236 --> 01:49:09,703
>> we are bidding right now and

3208
01:49:09,703 --> 01:49:11,703
it's leased.

3209
01:49:13,907 --> 01:49:15,375
>> we could -- we could bid in

3210
01:49:15,375 --> 01:49:17,745
three months' time but then we

3211
01:49:17,745 --> 01:49:20,581
would not bring it back to you

3212
01:49:20,581 --> 01:49:21,200
until the termination of the

3213
01:49:21,200 --> 01:49:21,481
lease.

3214
01:49:21,481 --> 01:49:22,449
>> which would be six months.

3215
01:49:22,449 --> 01:49:25,449
>> which would be six months

3216
01:49:28,489 --> 01:49:30,489
minimum.

3217
01:49:30,724 --> 01:49:31,592
>> so --

3218
01:49:31,592 --> 01:49:33,594
>> Mayor: the garage or

3219
01:49:33,594 --> 01:49:35,896
whatever, I mean, I just don't

3220
01:49:35,896 --> 01:49:37,231
want to put people, make people

3221
01:49:37,231 --> 01:49:39,631
jump through hoops twice.

3222
01:49:39,900 --> 01:49:40,167
>> yeah, but we can't have this

3223
01:49:40,167 --> 01:49:41,534
tied --

3224
01:49:41,534 --> 01:49:44,371
>> but I don't think we can put

3225
01:49:44,371 --> 01:49:45,806
the three months on it.

3226
01:49:45,806 --> 01:49:47,608
I think we can do the three

3227
01:49:47,608 --> 01:49:48,420
month piece when we know what's

3228
01:49:48,420 --> 01:49:48,876
going on.

3229
01:49:48,876 --> 01:49:50,511
>> I agree --

3230
01:49:50,511 --> 01:49:51,946
>> I think as we watch the

3231
01:49:51,946 --> 01:49:53,481
garage develop, and we'll have a

3232
01:49:53,481 --> 01:49:54,582
better idea of whether we can

3233
01:49:54,582 --> 01:49:56,150
actually put it out for bid.

3234
01:49:56,150 --> 01:49:57,852
>> and it MAY be three months.

3235
01:49:57,852 --> 01:49:59,190
>> it could be delays, as well,

3236
01:49:59,190 --> 01:49:59,853
on the garage.

3237
01:49:59,853 --> 01:50:02,823
>> and then, you know --

3238
01:50:02,823 --> 01:50:04,525
>> you never know with

3239
01:50:04,525 --> 01:50:06,525
construction.

3240
01:50:06,727 --> 01:50:10,327
>> Mayor: -- that was the whole

3241
01:50:10,665 --> 01:50:11,298
purpose or the rationale for

3242
01:50:11,298 --> 01:50:14,898
this, you know, leasing out the

3243
01:50:17,771 --> 01:50:19,771
tony roma space.

3244
01:50:19,807 --> 01:50:22,810
If we're -- that as well.

3245
01:50:22,810 --> 01:50:25,790
But again the construction of

3246
01:50:25,790 --> 01:50:25,613
the garage, which really intends

3247
01:50:25,613 --> 01:50:28,613
to run into a restaurant

3248
01:50:32,119 --> 01:50:33,200
operation.

3249
01:50:33,200 --> 01:50:33,453
>> that's my motion.

3250
01:50:33,453 --> 01:50:35,453
>> Mayor: so moved.

3251
01:50:37,240 --> 01:50:37,625
>> to reject, and to proceed

3252
01:50:37,625 --> 01:50:38,893
with the six month lease with

3253
01:50:38,893 --> 01:50:40,893
the current tenant.

3254
01:50:43,965 --> 01:50:44,365
So long as they pay our taxes.

3255
01:50:44,365 --> 01:50:45,990
>> Mayor: okay.

3256
01:50:45,990 --> 01:50:45,366
Do I have a second?

3257
01:50:45,366 --> 01:50:45,767
>> second.

3258
01:50:45,767 --> 01:50:47,668
>> Mayor: second.

3259
01:50:47,668 --> 01:50:48,436
All in favor.

3260
01:50:48,436 --> 01:50:49,937
>> hold on.

3261
01:50:49,937 --> 01:50:52,337
I have a question.

3262
01:50:52,640 --> 01:50:53,408
Will this include -- go out to

3263
01:50:53,408 --> 01:50:55,408
rebid?

3264
01:50:55,476 --> 01:50:57,476
>> no.

3265
01:50:58,212 --> 01:50:58,846
>> put an rfp again?

3266
01:50:58,846 --> 01:50:59,480
So we're just voting on

3267
01:50:59,480 --> 01:51:01,880
rejecting the current proposal.

3268
01:51:07,255 --> 01:51:08,489
Correct?

3269
01:51:08,489 --> 01:51:09,958
We're talking about extending

3270
01:51:09,958 --> 01:51:10,124
the lease to the current ten

3271
01:51:10,124 --> 01:51:10,491
and.

3272
01:51:10,491 --> 01:51:11,125
For six months.

3273
01:51:11,125 --> 01:51:14,725
And then obviously they will pay

3274
01:51:18,399 --> 01:51:19,367
the taxes.

3275
01:51:19,367 --> 01:51:21,767
>> and nothing stops --

3276
01:51:22,103 --> 01:51:23,104
>> but I don't want to vote

3277
01:51:23,104 --> 01:51:23,471
on -- I don't think that should

3278
01:51:23,471 --> 01:51:25,206
be a restaurant.

3279
01:51:25,206 --> 01:51:26,207
I think that should be office

3280
01:51:26,207 --> 01:51:26,574
space.

3281
01:51:26,574 --> 01:51:28,574
Yeah, all right.

3282
01:51:30,577 --> 01:51:31,212
No I just want to make sure.

3283
01:51:31,212 --> 01:51:31,613
I'll second if that's the case.

3284
01:51:31,613 --> 01:51:33,213
>> Mayor: second.

3285
01:51:33,213 --> 01:51:35,150
All in favor.

3286
01:51:35,150 --> 01:51:35,215
[Ayes]

3287
01:51:35,215 --> 01:51:35,483
>> no.

3288
01:51:35,483 --> 01:51:36,651
I vote no.

3289
01:51:36,651 --> 01:51:36,817
>> Mayor: okay.

3290
01:51:36,817 --> 01:51:38,817
4-1.

3291
01:51:44,626 --> 01:51:45,659
Motion passes.

3292
01:51:45,659 --> 01:51:47,362
Item 10-e.

3293
01:51:47,362 --> 01:51:48,696
>> before we continue,

3294
01:51:48,696 --> 01:51:50,198
commissioners, just to remind

3295
01:51:50,198 --> 01:51:50,832
you all, please speak into the

3296
01:51:50,832 --> 01:51:51,933
mic.

3297
01:51:51,933 --> 01:51:53,802
We have the recording that is

3298
01:51:53,802 --> 01:51:54,436
having difficulty picking up

3299
01:51:54,436 --> 01:51:54,970
your voices, and also members of

3300
01:51:54,970 --> 01:51:57,873
the audience in the back.

3301
01:51:57,873 --> 01:51:59,400
thank you.

3302
01:51:59,400 --> 01:52:00,174
10-d is a resolution ratifying

3303
01:52:00,174 --> 01:52:01,243
the preach and execution of the

3304
01:52:01,243 --> 01:52:03,243
opioid settlement participation

3305
01:52:06,314 --> 01:52:08,314
agreement with walmart.

3306
01:52:15,290 --> 01:52:16,792
>> Mayor: city manager?

3307
01:52:16,792 --> 01:52:18,930
>> mayor, vice mayor, members of

3308
01:52:18,930 --> 01:52:19,940
the commission, this is similar

3309
01:52:19,940 --> 01:52:20,495
to the opioid settlements that

3310
01:52:20,495 --> 01:52:21,630
we've done in the past and we're

3311
01:52:21,630 --> 01:52:22,730
starting to see a number of

3312
01:52:22,730 --> 01:52:23,650
these from different

3313
01:52:23,650 --> 01:52:25,650
organizations.

3314
01:52:25,767 --> 01:52:29,136
So as part of this, we're

3315
01:52:29,136 --> 01:52:31,536
requesting the ability to

3316
01:52:34,209 --> 01:52:36,609
approve these going forward.

3317
01:52:37,212 --> 01:52:37,545
>> Mayor: no public speakers.

3318
01:52:37,545 --> 01:52:39,545
Any comments?

3319
01:52:40,983 --> 01:52:42,217
Okay.

3320
01:52:42,217 --> 01:52:42,617
Do we have a motion?

3321
01:52:42,617 --> 01:52:42,885
>> so moved.

3322
01:52:42,885 --> 01:52:44,885
>> second.

3323
01:52:45,287 --> 01:52:47,156
>> Mayor: all in favor.

3324
01:52:47,156 --> 01:52:47,356
[Ayes]

3325
01:52:47,356 --> 01:52:48,991
Okay.

3326
01:52:48,991 --> 01:52:50,692
Item 10-e.

3327
01:52:50,692 --> 01:52:53,920
>> 10-e is a resolution

3328
01:52:57,980 --> 01:53:00,980
approving an in-kind donation to

3329
01:53:00,669 --> 01:53:01,870
iprep academy north.

3330
01:53:01,870 --> 01:53:02,204
>> Mayor: equal opportunity stop

3331
01:53:02,204 --> 01:53:04,204
the bleed kit.

3332
01:53:05,207 --> 01:53:05,441
Commissioner joseph?

3333
01:53:05,441 --> 01:53:07,441
>> yes.

3334
01:53:09,211 --> 01:53:12,211
Being that we have 60 students,

3335
01:53:13,449 --> 01:53:15,851
at iprep north, I requested that

3336
01:53:15,851 --> 01:53:17,453
the same accommodation be made

3337
01:53:17,453 --> 01:53:17,753
to iprep north regarding bleed

3338
01:53:17,753 --> 01:53:19,753
kits.

3339
01:53:22,157 --> 01:53:23,592
And it was accepted by the city

3340
01:53:23,592 --> 01:53:27,192
so we have 30 bleed kits going

3341
01:53:29,231 --> 01:53:30,199
to iprep north.

3342
01:53:30,199 --> 01:53:33,799
And I appreciate the approval by

3343
01:53:37,706 --> 01:53:38,574
the city.

3344
01:53:38,574 --> 01:53:39,140
>> so moved.

3345
01:53:39,140 --> 01:53:39,708
>> Mayor: so moved?

3346
01:53:39,708 --> 01:53:40,810
>> second.

3347
01:53:40,810 --> 01:53:41,477
>> Mayor: all until favor --

3348
01:53:41,477 --> 01:53:44,477
>> we have some public speakers.

3349
01:53:47,416 --> 01:53:49,416
>> Mayor: ari steiger.

3350
01:53:50,218 --> 01:53:51,253
>> ari steiger, 262 atlantic

3351
01:53:51,253 --> 01:53:52,621
island.

3352
01:53:52,621 --> 01:53:54,757
I don't think the city should be

3353
01:53:54,757 --> 01:53:57,226
a charity for any high schools.

3354
01:53:57,226 --> 01:54:00,226
My two grand daughters are

3355
01:54:00,596 --> 01:54:02,331
going -- why don't we donate it

3356
01:54:02,331 --> 01:54:04,199
to them, too?

3357
01:54:04,199 --> 01:54:04,466
Everybody comes and do

3358
01:54:04,466 --> 01:54:06,466
donations.

3359
01:54:06,635 --> 01:54:07,470
There's enough money to pay for

3360
01:54:07,470 --> 01:54:09,205
whatever they need.

3361
01:54:09,205 --> 01:54:13,405
Why the city has got to donate

3362
01:54:15,944 --> 01:54:17,647
money to them?

3363
01:54:17,647 --> 01:54:19,810
The two ladies from the city of

3364
01:54:19,810 --> 01:54:20,116
north miami came and want a

3365
01:54:20,116 --> 01:54:20,583
donation, I don't even remember

3366
01:54:20,583 --> 01:54:22,251
for what.

3367
01:54:22,251 --> 01:54:24,320
What is it, every time they need

3368
01:54:24,320 --> 01:54:26,656
a committee or whatever that

3369
01:54:26,656 --> 01:54:26,855
comes for a donation for the

3370
01:54:26,855 --> 01:54:27,190
city?

3371
01:54:27,190 --> 01:54:28,357
Unacceptable?

3372
01:54:28,357 --> 01:54:30,757
>> that was turned down.

3373
01:54:31,861 --> 01:54:32,761
And that was an absolute error.

3374
01:54:32,761 --> 01:54:34,197
>> there's more schools, dade

3375
01:54:34,197 --> 01:54:35,397
county has the money to pay for

3376
01:54:35,397 --> 01:54:38,397
it if they need it.

3377
01:54:38,468 --> 01:54:38,768
My nephew is the cfo for dade

3378
01:54:38,768 --> 01:54:39,936
county.

3379
01:54:39,936 --> 01:54:42,338
Want me to talk to him and

3380
01:54:42,338 --> 01:54:43,740
donate the money?

3381
01:54:43,740 --> 01:54:44,474
>> we've already given bleed

3382
01:54:44,474 --> 01:54:46,474
kits to --

3383
01:54:46,709 --> 01:54:47,810
>> there's no reason this city

3384
01:54:47,810 --> 01:54:49,312
should donate to any other

3385
01:54:49,312 --> 01:54:49,846
school but norman edelcup

3386
01:54:49,846 --> 01:54:50,880
school.

3387
01:54:50,880 --> 01:54:51,581
There's no reason for it.

3388
01:54:51,581 --> 01:54:53,581
It's our money.

3389
01:54:54,651 --> 01:54:55,852
It's our taxpayer money.

3390
01:54:55,852 --> 01:54:56,520
>> these are our students that

3391
01:54:56,520 --> 01:54:58,520
go --

3392
01:54:58,154 --> 01:55:00,824
>> my grand daughters are going

3393
01:55:00,824 --> 01:55:03,824
to a school in miami.

3394
01:55:03,993 --> 01:55:06,129
Why don't we donate to them too?

3395
01:55:06,129 --> 01:55:07,997
We can't donate to any school in

3396
01:55:07,997 --> 01:55:09,320
north miami beach or anyone who

3397
01:55:09,320 --> 01:55:09,298
comes for a donation to the

3398
01:55:09,298 --> 01:55:10,100
city.

3399
01:55:10,100 --> 01:55:10,566
It's not your money.

3400
01:55:10,566 --> 01:55:12,566
It's taxpayers' money.

3401
01:55:29,218 --> 01:55:29,919
[Applause]

3402
01:55:29,919 --> 01:55:31,187
This is just for ----

3403
01:55:31,187 --> 01:55:31,621
>> so I make a motion.

3404
01:55:31,621 --> 01:55:33,621
>> Mayor: thank you.

3405
01:55:36,793 --> 01:55:37,928
Thank you.

3406
01:55:37,928 --> 01:55:39,928
>> I second.

3407
01:55:40,430 --> 01:55:43,667
>> Mayor: ari you have a grand

3408
01:55:43,667 --> 01:55:44,134
daughter that went to the school

3409
01:55:44,134 --> 01:55:45,735
and --

3410
01:55:45,735 --> 01:55:47,270
>> both grand daughters.

3411
01:55:47,270 --> 01:55:47,804
>> Mayor: one wasn't even -- the

3412
01:55:47,804 --> 01:55:49,206
parent lived in aventura.

3413
01:55:49,206 --> 01:55:51,206
Okay?

3414
01:55:55,745 --> 01:55:57,745
So anyway.

3415
01:55:58,348 --> 01:55:58,615
>> I'd just like to comment

3416
01:55:58,615 --> 01:56:00,150
something.

3417
01:56:00,150 --> 01:56:01,651
Obviously we've sat here before,

3418
01:56:01,651 --> 01:56:05,251
ari, I think you were present,

3419
01:56:07,491 --> 01:56:07,724
and we started with norman s.

3420
01:56:07,724 --> 01:56:09,724
Edelcup.

3421
01:56:09,726 --> 01:56:10,590
Then atm is a feeder school of

3422
01:56:10,590 --> 01:56:11,328
ours.

3423
01:56:11,328 --> 01:56:11,528
So we thought about our students

3424
01:56:11,528 --> 01:56:13,528
there.

3425
01:56:15,198 --> 01:56:15,832
And we donated money, and then

3426
01:56:15,832 --> 01:56:16,533
obviously commissioner joseph

3427
01:56:16,533 --> 01:56:18,533
brought up iprep.

3428
01:56:18,935 --> 01:56:20,503
We do have some students there.

3429
01:56:20,503 --> 01:56:21,538
I understand your dilemma or

3430
01:56:21,538 --> 01:56:23,538
your questioning.

3431
01:56:24,908 --> 01:56:27,477
But, you know, the way I look at

3432
01:56:27,477 --> 01:56:29,413
it is safety, and we do have

3433
01:56:29,413 --> 01:56:30,714
students there.

3434
01:56:30,714 --> 01:56:31,114
We do have sunny isles beach --

3435
01:56:31,114 --> 01:56:31,715
[Speaker off mic]

3436
01:56:31,715 --> 01:56:34,115
Not all of them.

3437
01:56:34,852 --> 01:56:37,554
But some of them do.

3438
01:56:37,554 --> 01:56:37,755
A good portion of, atm about a

3439
01:56:37,755 --> 01:56:39,755
third.

3440
01:56:40,757 --> 01:56:41,257
There's plenty of kids from

3441
01:56:41,257 --> 01:56:41,959
sunny isles beach there.

3442
01:56:41,959 --> 01:56:43,590
>> Mayor: there's plenty of kids

3443
01:56:43,590 --> 01:56:43,260
from sunny isles beach that go

3444
01:56:43,260 --> 01:56:44,595
there.

3445
01:56:44,595 --> 01:56:46,130
>> I understand your argument.

3446
01:56:46,130 --> 01:56:47,431
We had that argument here.

3447
01:56:47,431 --> 01:56:48,665
>> Mayor: ari we do stop the

3448
01:56:48,665 --> 01:56:51,735
bleed kits in sunny isles beach.

3449
01:56:51,735 --> 01:56:53,170
And we know that 30% of the kids

3450
01:56:53,170 --> 01:56:54,972
probably don't even -- are from

3451
01:56:54,972 --> 01:56:55,172
parents that don't even live

3452
01:56:55,172 --> 01:56:56,173
here.

3453
01:56:56,173 --> 01:56:56,940
Including one of your

3454
01:56:56,940 --> 01:56:57,474
grandchildren went to that

3455
01:56:57,474 --> 01:56:58,107
school for years, and her

3456
01:56:58,107 --> 01:56:59,976
parents didn't even live in the

3457
01:56:59,976 --> 01:57:01,678
city.

3458
01:57:01,678 --> 01:57:03,147
So, we give -- we give the stop

3459
01:57:03,147 --> 01:57:04,781
the bleed kits for the benefit

3460
01:57:04,781 --> 01:57:05,415
of kids where the parents don't

3461
01:57:05,415 --> 01:57:09,860
even -- don't even reside in our

3462
01:57:09,860 --> 01:57:11,860
city.

3463
01:57:11,322 --> 01:57:12,189
>> -- want to give money to the

3464
01:57:12,189 --> 01:57:13,390
school --

3465
01:57:13,390 --> 01:57:14,725
>> we did not.

3466
01:57:14,725 --> 01:57:15,926
>> Mayor: we didn't give money

3467
01:57:15,926 --> 01:57:18,326
to any two ladies.

3468
01:57:19,696 --> 01:57:21,732
You're speaking out of turn.

3469
01:57:21,732 --> 01:57:23,634
There was two -- ari.

3470
01:57:23,634 --> 01:57:24,735
It's not exactly the case.

3471
01:57:24,735 --> 01:57:25,236
But anyway, we recognize your

3472
01:57:25,236 --> 01:57:27,236
comments.

3473
01:57:28,172 --> 01:57:30,740
And we appreciate your input.

3474
01:57:30,740 --> 01:57:30,340
>> that was an error and it was

3475
01:57:30,340 --> 01:57:30,708
rejected.

3476
01:57:30,708 --> 01:57:32,708
>> Mayor: okay.

3477
01:57:33,210 --> 01:57:34,645
And it's not factually correct.

3478
01:57:34,645 --> 01:57:35,746
But in any event.

3479
01:57:35,746 --> 01:57:35,980
Okay we have a motion, we have a

3480
01:57:35,980 --> 01:57:36,379
second.

3481
01:57:36,379 --> 01:57:38,379
All in favor.

3482
01:57:43,954 --> 01:57:44,155
[Ayes]

3483
01:57:44,155 --> 01:57:45,289
Okay.

3484
01:57:45,289 --> 01:57:46,357
Item 10-f.

3485
01:57:46,357 --> 01:57:46,991
>> 10-f is a resolution

3486
01:57:46,991 --> 01:57:49,391
establishing a charter revision

3487
01:57:51,762 --> 01:57:53,762
commission.

3488
01:57:53,765 --> 01:57:54,932
Mayor, commissioners, as you all

3489
01:57:54,932 --> 01:57:57,234
are aware, the charter calls for

3490
01:57:57,234 --> 01:57:58,469
a revision to be done every ten

3491
01:57:58,469 --> 01:58:00,469
years.

3492
01:58:03,774 --> 01:58:04,708
Pursuant to section 7.4 of the

3493
01:58:04,708 --> 01:58:05,743
charter, the commission, the

3494
01:58:05,743 --> 01:58:07,345
four members of the commission

3495
01:58:07,345 --> 01:58:09,113
with the exception of the mayor

3496
01:58:09,113 --> 01:58:09,779
is entitled to four appointments

3497
01:58:09,779 --> 01:58:11,181
with the only requirement being

3498
01:58:11,181 --> 01:58:11,782
that they have to live in the

3499
01:58:11,782 --> 01:58:14,418
district that I all represent.

3500
01:58:14,418 --> 01:58:16,540
Each one of you.

3501
01:58:16,540 --> 01:58:18,122
and the mayor has the ability to

3502
01:58:18,122 --> 01:58:18,389
appoint one person that can live

3503
01:58:18,389 --> 01:58:19,356
at-large.

3504
01:58:19,356 --> 01:58:19,924
Meaning they can live anywhere

3505
01:58:19,924 --> 01:58:21,924
in the city.

3506
01:58:22,459 --> 01:58:24,762
And also have the authority to

3507
01:58:24,762 --> 01:58:26,564
be able to appoint a nonvoting

3508
01:58:26,564 --> 01:58:28,866
member that's a member of the

3509
01:58:28,866 --> 01:58:30,635
city commission that's serving a

3510
01:58:30,635 --> 01:58:31,736
second consecutive term.

3511
01:58:31,736 --> 01:58:32,770
So this resolution seek to

3512
01:58:32,770 --> 01:58:33,371
establish that so that they can

3513
01:58:33,371 --> 01:58:35,771
commence their proceedings as

3514
01:58:36,700 --> 01:58:38,700
soon as possible.

3515
01:58:38,142 --> 01:58:38,576
>> Mayor: we have public

3516
01:58:38,576 --> 01:58:39,844
speakers.

3517
01:58:39,844 --> 01:58:41,446
Going to announce the

3518
01:58:41,446 --> 01:58:41,813
appointments or want to have the

3519
01:58:41,813 --> 01:58:43,748
speakers first?

3520
01:58:43,748 --> 01:58:44,820
>> I'll mention the

3521
01:58:44,820 --> 01:58:45,283
appointments.

3522
01:58:45,283 --> 01:58:47,919
For vice mayor viscarra, it's

3523
01:58:47,919 --> 01:58:49,919
robert thatcher.

3524
01:58:52,190 --> 01:58:52,423
For commissioner joseph, henry

3525
01:58:52,423 --> 01:58:54,423
strong.

3526
01:59:00,198 --> 01:59:00,998
For commissioner lama, sylvaina.

3527
01:59:00,998 --> 01:59:02,267
And commissioner stuyvesant is

3528
01:59:02,267 --> 01:59:04,267
yvette francola.

3529
01:59:04,635 --> 01:59:05,837
And the mayor's appointment is

3530
01:59:05,837 --> 01:59:06,471
jody joseph.

3531
01:59:06,471 --> 01:59:06,972
And the nonvoting commissioner

3532
01:59:06,972 --> 01:59:08,406
is vice mayor viscarra.

3533
01:59:08,406 --> 01:59:10,406
>> Mayor: okay.

3534
01:59:13,712 --> 01:59:16,112
We have public speakers?

3535
01:59:22,921 --> 01:59:24,921
For 10-f george.

3536
01:59:25,223 --> 01:59:27,920
>> good evening, MADAM Mayor,

3537
01:59:27,920 --> 01:59:28,960
commissioners, vice mayor.

3538
01:59:28,960 --> 01:59:30,661
I would like to address one

3539
01:59:30,661 --> 01:59:30,962
point and that is the timing.

3540
01:59:30,962 --> 01:59:32,230
>> sorry.

3541
01:59:32,230 --> 01:59:34,650
Where do you live, please?

3542
01:59:34,650 --> 01:59:36,650
>> I apologize.

3543
01:59:36,267 --> 01:59:36,468
18911 collins avenue, ocean

3544
01:59:36,468 --> 01:59:38,468
three.

3545
01:59:41,138 --> 01:59:42,474
My name is george [Inaudible].

3546
01:59:42,474 --> 01:59:44,643
The only point I would like to

3547
01:59:44,643 --> 01:59:44,943
address is the timing of all

3548
01:59:44,943 --> 01:59:46,943
this.

3549
01:59:49,447 --> 01:59:49,714
As you know, we just had an

3550
01:59:49,714 --> 01:59:51,182
election.

3551
01:59:51,182 --> 01:59:53,182
mayor goldman lost.

3552
01:59:54,520 --> 01:59:55,587
For her being a transitional

3553
01:59:55,587 --> 01:59:57,987
figure SEPTEMBER and appointing

3554
02:00:00,225 --> 02:00:03,225
anyone to this commission looks

3555
02:00:03,395 --> 02:00:04,529
suspicious, looks shady, looks

3556
02:00:04,529 --> 02:00:06,529
strange.

3557
02:00:07,899 --> 02:00:10,269
There's no reason why mayor

3558
02:00:10,269 --> 02:00:12,237
goldman, with all due respect to

3559
02:00:12,237 --> 02:00:13,672
her, should be appointing anyone

3560
02:00:13,672 --> 02:00:15,600
to this commission when two

3561
02:00:15,600 --> 02:00:15,841
weeks from now we will have

3562
02:00:15,841 --> 02:00:17,841
another mayor.

3563
02:00:18,410 --> 02:00:20,450
So my recommendation to this

3564
02:00:20,450 --> 02:00:23,450
council, to this commission is

3565
02:00:25,250 --> 02:00:28,850
to reject this proposal for two

3566
02:00:29,154 --> 02:00:30,589
weeks until mayor svechin

3567
02:00:30,589 --> 02:00:32,589
becomes acting mayor.

3568
02:00:35,927 --> 02:00:37,963
And the cloud of this suspicion,

3569
02:00:37,963 --> 02:00:38,197
forgive the repetition, is

3570
02:00:38,197 --> 02:00:40,197
lifted.

3571
02:00:43,802 --> 02:00:45,802
Thank you.

3572
02:00:49,140 --> 02:00:51,140
[Applause]

3573
02:00:52,545 --> 02:00:52,845
>> Mayor: norman edelcup and dan

3574
02:00:52,845 --> 02:00:54,213
lynnhighser.

3575
02:00:54,213 --> 02:00:55,748
>> good evening, honorable mayor

3576
02:00:55,748 --> 02:00:57,748
and commissioners.

3577
02:00:58,317 --> 02:01:00,553
My name is normal edelcup,

3578
02:01:00,553 --> 02:01:04,153
former mayor of this city and

3579
02:01:05,224 --> 02:01:06,992
resident at 244 atlantic isle.

3580
02:01:06,992 --> 02:01:08,127
I'm probably one of the few

3581
02:01:08,127 --> 02:01:11,127
people here that was present

3582
02:01:11,197 --> 02:01:14,197
when the original charter was

3583
02:01:21,440 --> 02:01:23,509
put together and dan lenhieser

3584
02:01:23,509 --> 02:01:24,710
was appointed and when the mayor

3585
02:01:24,710 --> 02:01:27,113
got sworn in or the

3586
02:01:27,113 --> 02:01:29,480
commissioners got sworn in

3587
02:01:29,480 --> 02:01:29,348
within 24 hours from an

3588
02:01:29,348 --> 02:01:31,348
election.

3589
02:01:33,486 --> 02:01:36,486
By the time 2001 came along,

3590
02:01:36,821 --> 02:01:38,557
there were elections and we

3591
02:01:38,557 --> 02:01:40,326
noticed that there probably

3592
02:01:40,326 --> 02:01:44,526
needed to be a change in the

3593
02:01:46,265 --> 02:01:47,499
charter as to the timing

3594
02:01:47,499 --> 02:01:49,435
primarily because of civility

3595
02:01:49,435 --> 02:01:51,170
and courtesy we didn't want to

3596
02:01:51,170 --> 02:01:54,770
be kicking people out of office

3597
02:01:56,309 --> 02:01:58,144
the day after an election and we

3598
02:01:58,144 --> 02:01:59,379
timeline for a smooth

3599
02:01:59,379 --> 02:02:01,379
transition.

3600
02:02:03,582 --> 02:02:06,285
So in 2003 when the last -- the

3601
02:02:06,285 --> 02:02:07,787
first charter revision took

3602
02:02:07,787 --> 02:02:10,389
place, there was a provision

3603
02:02:10,389 --> 02:02:13,989
made in the charter which is

3604
02:02:22,460 --> 02:02:22,569
applying today that anyone

3605
02:02:22,569 --> 02:02:22,645
elected would wait 30 days

3606
02:02:22,645 --> 02:02:22,723
before coming in, realizing that

3607
02:02:22,723 --> 02:02:24,604
there could be a situation where

3608
02:02:24,604 --> 02:02:25,538
there would be a former mayor or

3609
02:02:25,538 --> 02:02:27,473
former commissioner still in

3610
02:02:27,473 --> 02:02:29,473
office for 30 days.

3611
02:02:32,312 --> 02:02:34,947
But we felt the courtesy

3612
02:02:34,947 --> 02:02:37,417
outweighed the negativity of the

3613
02:02:37,417 --> 02:02:40,417
situation and that major issues

3614
02:02:40,419 --> 02:02:42,355
really weren't going to be done

3615
02:02:42,355 --> 02:02:43,890
during let's call it a lame duck

3616
02:02:43,890 --> 02:02:45,890
period.

3617
02:02:46,590 --> 02:02:47,160
And that certainly, a new mayor

3618
02:02:47,160 --> 02:02:48,328
would be given the opportunity

3619
02:02:48,328 --> 02:02:50,897
or a new commissioner would be

3620
02:02:50,897 --> 02:02:52,932
given an opportunity to pick

3621
02:02:52,932 --> 02:02:55,701
people that would be serving on

3622
02:02:55,701 --> 02:02:56,690
committees during their time in

3623
02:02:56,690 --> 02:02:58,690
office.

3624
02:02:58,904 --> 02:03:00,539
So basically, I have two

3625
02:03:00,539 --> 02:03:02,539
recommendations.

3626
02:03:03,610 --> 02:03:04,844
One is change today's meeting to

3627
02:03:04,844 --> 02:03:06,212
include that the four

3628
02:03:06,212 --> 02:03:07,460
commissioners can make their

3629
02:03:07,460 --> 02:03:09,381
appointments today because they

3630
02:03:09,381 --> 02:03:11,217
will be on the new commission.

3631
02:03:11,217 --> 02:03:14,587
But reserve the right for the

3632
02:03:14,587 --> 02:03:18,910
incoming mayor to pick the fifth

3633
02:03:18,910 --> 02:03:20,660
person at the next JANUARY

3634
02:03:20,660 --> 02:03:22,696
meeting, or today just pass the

3635
02:03:22,696 --> 02:03:24,464
resolution that you will have a

3636
02:03:24,464 --> 02:03:27,464
charter committee and in JANUARY

3637
02:03:27,734 --> 02:03:28,901
all of you can fill in the five

3638
02:03:28,901 --> 02:03:31,638
people that you wish to be on

3639
02:03:31,638 --> 02:03:33,406
the committee.

3640
02:03:33,406 --> 02:03:34,541
In this way, I think justice

3641
02:03:34,541 --> 02:03:36,541
would be served.

3642
02:03:42,616 --> 02:03:44,170
The idea that we are basically

3643
02:03:44,170 --> 02:03:45,318
providing for civility and

3644
02:03:45,318 --> 02:03:47,190
common sense would prevail and

3645
02:03:47,190 --> 02:03:48,555
we wouldn't be sitting here with

3646
02:03:48,555 --> 02:03:50,955
this very awkward situation.

3647
02:03:51,580 --> 02:03:53,393
I'd like to now call lynn to

3648
02:03:53,393 --> 02:03:53,594
speak because my time is running

3649
02:03:53,594 --> 02:03:55,594
out.

3650
02:03:55,661 --> 02:03:59,261
And lynn, you can finish up.

3651
02:04:00,167 --> 02:04:00,434
>> let me just say, norman --

3652
02:04:00,434 --> 02:04:02,434
>> yes.

3653
02:04:07,841 --> 02:04:09,676
[Applause]

3654
02:04:09,676 --> 02:04:10,677
When the situation came up in

3655
02:04:10,677 --> 02:04:12,712
the federal government with

3656
02:04:12,712 --> 02:04:15,449
supreme court justices, what was

3657
02:04:15,449 --> 02:04:16,316
the end result?

3658
02:04:16,316 --> 02:04:19,316
>> give me the specifics that

3659
02:04:19,353 --> 02:04:20,487
you are talking about.

3660
02:04:20,487 --> 02:04:24,870
>> when we were told that trump

3661
02:04:24,558 --> 02:04:26,927
should not pick the supreme

3662
02:04:26,927 --> 02:04:28,495
court justice and leave way for

3663
02:04:28,495 --> 02:04:30,664
biden, what was the end result?

3664
02:04:30,664 --> 02:04:31,165
>> we are a local municipality.

3665
02:04:31,165 --> 02:04:32,333
>> I understand.

3666
02:04:32,333 --> 02:04:34,334
>> and I would hope that we

3667
02:04:34,334 --> 02:04:34,635
would have civility in our

3668
02:04:34,635 --> 02:04:36,635
community.

3669
02:04:38,339 --> 02:04:41,408
And I think what you are

3670
02:04:41,408 --> 02:04:42,342
suggesting is just running

3671
02:04:42,342 --> 02:04:44,712
roughshod over the situation.

3672
02:04:44,712 --> 02:04:45,946
But, you know, all I'm doing is

3673
02:04:45,946 --> 02:04:47,147
recommending that this be

3674
02:04:47,147 --> 02:04:47,481
delayed as it relates to the

3675
02:04:47,481 --> 02:04:48,616
mayor.

3676
02:04:48,616 --> 02:04:50,251
I'm not saying it should be

3677
02:04:50,251 --> 02:04:52,319
delayed to anybody else.

3678
02:04:52,319 --> 02:04:53,454
But if each of you are

3679
02:04:53,454 --> 02:04:55,189
appointing somebody, that means

3680
02:04:55,189 --> 02:04:57,124
you are going to be community

3681
02:04:57,124 --> 02:04:57,824
hitting with that one.

3682
02:04:57,824 --> 02:04:59,160
>> Mayor: norman, thank you.

3683
02:04:59,160 --> 02:05:00,728
You made your recommendation.

3684
02:05:00,728 --> 02:05:01,996
>> when the new mayor comes in,

3685
02:05:01,996 --> 02:05:04,864
she will be dealing with someone

3686
02:05:04,864 --> 02:05:07,234
that was appointed by the old

3687
02:05:07,234 --> 02:05:08,350
mayor, whereas all of you can be

3688
02:05:08,350 --> 02:05:09,903
dealing with the person that you

3689
02:05:09,903 --> 02:05:12,573
dealt with, but she won't be

3690
02:05:12,573 --> 02:05:12,873
able to do that.

3691
02:05:12,873 --> 02:05:13,874
[Inaudible]

3692
02:05:13,874 --> 02:05:15,443
I thought I was talking.

3693
02:05:15,443 --> 02:05:15,977
I didn't know you were going to

3694
02:05:15,977 --> 02:05:17,645
override me.

3695
02:05:17,645 --> 02:05:20,881
I would like the same courtesy

3696
02:05:20,881 --> 02:05:21,820
that I gave you when I was

3697
02:05:21,820 --> 02:05:23,820
mayor.

3698
02:05:23,551 --> 02:05:25,551
[Cheers and applause]

3699
02:05:26,219 --> 02:05:29,819
And I'm not attacking the fact

3700
02:05:31,559 --> 02:05:33,930
that her appointment would be

3701
02:05:33,930 --> 02:05:34,829
your [Inaudible].

3702
02:05:34,829 --> 02:05:36,797
That' certainly permissible

3703
02:05:36,797 --> 02:05:39,467
under the code but it is very

3704
02:05:39,467 --> 02:05:40,601
unjust to take a lame duck

3705
02:05:40,601 --> 02:05:42,690
situation and force upon the

3706
02:05:42,690 --> 02:05:43,771
future commission and the future

3707
02:05:43,771 --> 02:05:45,373
mayor a person that she didn't

3708
02:05:45,373 --> 02:05:47,775
even select and would otherwise

3709
02:05:47,775 --> 02:05:49,510
vd the right to select if we had

3710
02:05:49,510 --> 02:05:51,579
left the charter the way it was

3711
02:05:51,579 --> 02:05:52,746
in the beginning.

3712
02:05:52,746 --> 02:05:54,482
But because we wanted to be

3713
02:05:54,482 --> 02:05:55,216
civil with each other, we gave

3714
02:05:55,216 --> 02:05:56,551
everybody 30 days.

3715
02:05:56,551 --> 02:05:58,986
And now somebody just wants to

3716
02:05:58,986 --> 02:06:00,855
take advantage of that, perhaps

3717
02:06:00,855 --> 02:06:02,790
we will have to go and change

3718
02:06:02,790 --> 02:06:04,158
the charter again at this next

3719
02:06:04,158 --> 02:06:06,527
commission to correct what we

3720
02:06:06,527 --> 02:06:10,127
thought was the right thing to

3721
02:06:10,398 --> 02:06:10,732
do, but it did have unintended

3722
02:06:10,732 --> 02:06:11,733
consequences.

3723
02:06:11,733 --> 02:06:13,670
>> Mayor: you are the one who

3724
02:06:13,670 --> 02:06:15,670
made the change.

3725
02:06:18,105 --> 02:06:19,140
[Applause]

3726
02:06:19,140 --> 02:06:20,942
>> mayor goldman is right.

3727
02:06:20,942 --> 02:06:22,210
You did make the change.

3728
02:06:22,210 --> 02:06:25,810
>> Mayor: yeah, you are the one

3729
02:06:27,315 --> 02:06:27,749
that made the change.

3730
02:06:27,749 --> 02:06:29,749
[Inaudible]

3731
02:06:30,518 --> 02:06:32,787
>> MAY it please the commission.

3732
02:06:32,787 --> 02:06:36,387
I'm here only as an historian

3733
02:06:39,427 --> 02:06:42,697
and somebody who in 1997 when I

3734
02:06:42,697 --> 02:06:45,300
was 25 wrote this charter --

3735
02:06:45,300 --> 02:06:47,535
wrote the charter, and we did

3736
02:06:47,535 --> 02:06:50,304
provide, as the national civic

3737
02:06:50,304 --> 02:06:52,704
league recommended, that people

3738
02:06:55,310 --> 02:06:58,480
get installed the day after they

3739
02:06:58,480 --> 02:07:00,480
get elected.

3740
02:07:01,282 --> 02:07:03,952
The situation did arise where it

3741
02:07:03,952 --> 02:07:05,860
became difficult to throw people

3742
02:07:05,860 --> 02:07:07,822
physically out of their offices

3743
02:07:07,822 --> 02:07:09,822
the next day.

3744
02:07:10,392 --> 02:07:12,226
And so that charter

3745
02:07:12,226 --> 02:07:14,626
commission -- the revision

3746
02:07:14,696 --> 02:07:17,960
commission changed it for 30

3747
02:07:26,767 --> 02:07:26,878
days, at which, of course, I

3748
02:07:26,878 --> 02:07:26,960
drafted per their request.

3749
02:07:26,960 --> 02:07:27,400
But it didn't contemplate this

3750
02:07:27,400 --> 02:07:27,138
situation, obviously.

3751
02:07:27,138 --> 02:07:27,216
and that MAY be something you

3752
02:07:27,216 --> 02:07:27,642
want to take up with the new

3753
02:07:27,642 --> 02:07:29,642
revision commission.

3754
02:07:30,712 --> 02:07:32,800
But I'd like to remind you, the

3755
02:07:32,800 --> 02:07:33,314
city was formed -- and the

3756
02:07:33,314 --> 02:07:35,483
reason the charter was drafted

3757
02:07:35,483 --> 02:07:38,420
in the first place was because

3758
02:07:38,420 --> 02:07:39,153
this area was part of the

3759
02:07:39,153 --> 02:07:41,153
county.

3760
02:07:42,124 --> 02:07:44,559
And this -- the residents of

3761
02:07:44,559 --> 02:07:45,994
this city to become wanted

3762
02:07:45,994 --> 02:07:49,498
autonomy and wanted to be able

3763
02:07:49,498 --> 02:07:49,965
to be part of the decision

3764
02:07:49,965 --> 02:07:51,965
making.

3765
02:07:52,330 --> 02:07:53,670
And they wanted the government

3766
02:07:53,670 --> 02:07:55,670
close to themselves.

3767
02:07:55,137 --> 02:07:56,672
So they formed a city and we

3768
02:07:56,672 --> 02:07:58,907
drafted the charter with every

3769
02:07:58,907 --> 02:07:59,341
provision with that question in

3770
02:07:59,341 --> 02:08:01,341
mind.

3771
02:08:03,450 --> 02:08:03,278
Did it reflect the choice of the

3772
02:08:03,278 --> 02:08:04,980
people?

3773
02:08:04,980 --> 02:08:07,649
And that's part of the reason

3774
02:08:07,649 --> 02:08:10,319
that we had the installation and

3775
02:08:10,319 --> 02:08:13,319
commencement of office the day

3776
02:08:13,388 --> 02:08:15,388
after the election.

3777
02:08:18,527 --> 02:08:21,163
So it is, in fairness, that

3778
02:08:21,163 --> 02:08:23,432
mayor edelcup is asking to defer

3779
02:08:23,432 --> 02:08:24,666
the mayor's selection.

3780
02:08:24,666 --> 02:08:27,660
Constitute the charter revision

3781
02:08:27,136 --> 02:08:28,570
per the charter as I'm sure your

3782
02:08:28,570 --> 02:08:31,740
city attorney has told you to

3783
02:08:31,740 --> 02:08:34,740
do, but give consideration to

3784
02:08:35,677 --> 02:08:36,579
the unique circumstances in the

3785
02:08:36,579 --> 02:08:38,579
first instance.

3786
02:08:40,490 --> 02:08:42,651
And in the second instance, babe

3787
02:08:42,651 --> 02:08:43,985
with -- maybe with your charter

3788
02:08:43,985 --> 02:08:45,154
review committee address it and

3789
02:08:45,154 --> 02:08:46,288
potentially go back to the way

3790
02:08:46,288 --> 02:08:47,890
it was intended to be.

3791
02:08:47,890 --> 02:08:49,758
Thank you for your time.

3792
02:08:49,758 --> 02:08:50,559
>> if I MAY say, lynn --

3793
02:08:50,559 --> 02:08:52,494
>> yes, sir.

3794
02:08:52,494 --> 02:08:55,364
>> that I think the election in

3795
02:08:55,364 --> 02:08:56,532
the city here is a reflection of

3796
02:08:56,532 --> 02:08:59,101
what's going on in the country.

3797
02:08:59,101 --> 02:09:02,271
I mean the election was only 20

3798
02:09:02,271 --> 02:09:02,571
votes, so you can't say --

3799
02:09:02,571 --> 02:09:04,571
[Boos]

3800
02:09:07,810 --> 02:09:08,511
You can't say that it is the

3801
02:09:08,511 --> 02:09:09,845
majority.

3802
02:09:09,845 --> 02:09:11,814
>> with respect, commissioner,

3803
02:09:11,814 --> 02:09:13,749
I'm not addressing the politics

3804
02:09:13,749 --> 02:09:14,183
at all.

3805
02:09:14,183 --> 02:09:16,183
>> Mayor: listen.

3806
02:09:16,919 --> 02:09:17,653
>> I am really addressing the

3807
02:09:17,653 --> 02:09:20,530
structure of the document.

3808
02:09:29,724 --> 02:09:29,833
That's it.

3809
02:09:29,833 --> 02:09:30,243
>> Mayor: in my understanding,

3810
02:09:30,243 --> 02:09:30,319
there's a lot of frustration

3811
02:09:30,319 --> 02:09:30,398
because norman edelcup wanted to

3812
02:09:30,398 --> 02:09:30,479
be appointed to the charter

3813
02:09:30,479 --> 02:09:30,557
review commission.

3814
02:09:30,557 --> 02:09:30,632
Okay.

3815
02:09:30,632 --> 02:09:32,135
And so that's a little unfair

3816
02:09:32,135 --> 02:09:34,404
because he's the reason why we

3817
02:09:34,404 --> 02:09:34,903
have the law the way it is

3818
02:09:34,903 --> 02:09:35,872
today.

3819
02:09:35,872 --> 02:09:37,273
>> well, it wasn't --

3820
02:09:37,273 --> 02:09:40,476
>> excuse me, I have never asked

3821
02:09:40,476 --> 02:09:41,444
to be appointed to the charter

3822
02:09:41,444 --> 02:09:41,877
commission.

3823
02:09:41,877 --> 02:09:43,877
>> Mayor: well --

3824
02:09:44,180 --> 02:09:44,614
>> so please stop starting

3825
02:09:44,614 --> 02:09:45,281
rumors.

3826
02:09:45,281 --> 02:09:46,449
>> Mayor: that's what I heard.

3827
02:09:46,449 --> 02:09:47,283
>> the elections are over.

3828
02:09:47,283 --> 02:09:48,918
>> Mayor: I didn't start it.

3829
02:09:48,918 --> 02:09:49,218
You're right, well, not

3830
02:09:49,218 --> 02:09:50,753
necessarily.

3831
02:09:50,753 --> 02:09:51,821
But let's just --

3832
02:09:51,821 --> 02:09:53,323
>> I resent the fact that you

3833
02:09:53,323 --> 02:09:56,726
think I'm trying to get into the

3834
02:09:56,726 --> 02:09:57,126
charter commission.

3835
02:09:57,126 --> 02:09:57,727
>> Mayor: okay.

3836
02:09:57,727 --> 02:09:58,561
>> I don't intend to.

3837
02:09:58,561 --> 02:09:59,270
>> Mayor: for the record, that's

3838
02:09:59,270 --> 02:10:00,930
what I heard.

3839
02:10:00,930 --> 02:10:01,497
I didn't start the rumor, I just

3840
02:10:01,497 --> 02:10:02,398
heard it.

3841
02:10:02,398 --> 02:10:03,833
>> you could have asked me but

3842
02:10:03,833 --> 02:10:04,834
you decided to use it as a

3843
02:10:04,834 --> 02:10:06,702
broadcast right now.

3844
02:10:06,702 --> 02:10:08,702
>> Mayor: no, listen.

3845
02:10:09,304 --> 02:10:11,304
Norman --

3846
02:10:12,342 --> 02:10:14,110
[Applause]

3847
02:10:14,110 --> 02:10:14,476
Norman, you came up to speak

3848
02:10:14,476 --> 02:10:16,145
publicly.

3849
02:10:16,145 --> 02:10:17,380
So that came back to me that you

3850
02:10:17,380 --> 02:10:19,716
were frustrated because you

3851
02:10:19,716 --> 02:10:22,552
wanted to be appointed to the

3852
02:10:22,552 --> 02:10:24,552
charter review commission.

3853
02:10:34,619 --> 02:10:34,735
>> MADAM Mayor, if I MAY just

3854
02:10:34,735 --> 02:10:34,814
say one last thing.

3855
02:10:34,814 --> 02:10:34,893
One of the reasons the charter

3856
02:10:34,893 --> 02:10:34,970
was established was to place

3857
02:10:34,970 --> 02:10:35,470
principles above personalities,

3858
02:10:35,470 --> 02:10:35,126
so that it doesn't involve any

3859
02:10:35,126 --> 02:10:35,498
individual, but it really

3860
02:10:35,498 --> 02:10:38,340
relates to the good of the

3861
02:10:38,340 --> 02:10:39,501
government as a whole.

3862
02:10:39,501 --> 02:10:40,203
And commissioners change and

3863
02:10:40,203 --> 02:10:42,138
it's good.

3864
02:10:42,138 --> 02:10:44,474
It's part of democracy.

3865
02:10:44,474 --> 02:10:45,942
But this government should be

3866
02:10:45,942 --> 02:10:48,178
considered just as a document of

3867
02:10:48,178 --> 02:10:48,578
the people, not political.

3868
02:10:48,578 --> 02:10:49,412
Thank you.

3869
02:10:49,412 --> 02:10:50,460
Thank you so much.

3870
02:10:50,460 --> 02:10:50,480
>> Mayor: thank you.

3871
02:10:50,480 --> 02:10:52,480
[Applause]

3872
02:10:55,485 --> 02:10:57,320
And again I think that -- I

3873
02:10:57,320 --> 02:10:59,720
think that my recommendations

3874
02:10:59,990 --> 02:11:00,724
and my appointments to the

3875
02:11:00,724 --> 02:11:02,893
charter review commission can

3876
02:11:02,893 --> 02:11:05,127
stand on their own merit.

3877
02:11:05,127 --> 02:11:07,497
So that's just -- that's what

3878
02:11:07,497 --> 02:11:08,832
the law is and that's what the

3879
02:11:08,832 --> 02:11:10,832
resolution states.

3880
02:11:14,370 --> 02:11:15,705
So I have no problem with that.

3881
02:11:15,705 --> 02:11:17,207
You'd have to fill out a public

3882
02:11:17,207 --> 02:11:19,207
speakers card.

3883
02:11:19,276 --> 02:11:19,576
I'm sorry.

3884
02:11:19,576 --> 02:11:21,576
[Inaudible]

3885
02:11:28,484 --> 02:11:30,687
If you have it, that's fine.

3886
02:11:30,687 --> 02:11:33,123
If it's on a separate topic --

3887
02:11:33,123 --> 02:11:35,191
is it on this topic or another

3888
02:11:35,191 --> 02:11:37,191
topic?

3889
02:11:40,831 --> 02:11:42,132
[Inaudible]

3890
02:11:42,132 --> 02:11:42,366
>> I don't see a problem with

3891
02:11:42,366 --> 02:11:43,667
it.

3892
02:11:43,667 --> 02:11:44,935
>> Mayor: we're just speaking on

3893
02:11:44,935 --> 02:11:46,470
this particular topic, okay.

3894
02:11:46,470 --> 02:11:47,104
>> it's the same topic.

3895
02:11:47,104 --> 02:11:50,104
>> Mayor: no, we are talking

3896
02:11:50,874 --> 02:11:51,708
about the resolution for

3897
02:11:51,708 --> 02:11:52,108
establishing the charter review

3898
02:11:52,108 --> 02:11:53,710
commission.

3899
02:11:53,710 --> 02:11:54,478
So if you want to speak to the

3900
02:11:54,478 --> 02:11:54,945
charter review commission,

3901
02:11:54,945 --> 02:11:56,847
that's fine.

3902
02:11:56,847 --> 02:11:57,301
>> it's going to be the same

3903
02:11:57,301 --> 02:11:59,301
topic.

3904
02:12:01,484 --> 02:12:05,684
You know, like I just want to

3905
02:12:10,561 --> 02:12:10,636
welcome the [Inaudible].

3906
02:12:10,636 --> 02:12:12,329
[Applause]

3907
02:12:12,329 --> 02:12:12,596
You know, I'm here like to

3908
02:12:12,596 --> 02:12:14,596
represent.

3909
02:12:14,598 --> 02:12:16,333
I have thousands and thousands

3910
02:12:16,333 --> 02:12:16,967
and thousands of people behind

3911
02:12:16,967 --> 02:12:18,402
my back.

3912
02:12:18,402 --> 02:12:19,970
A lot of people couldn't come

3913
02:12:19,970 --> 02:12:20,371
today because it's a working

3914
02:12:20,371 --> 02:12:22,371
day.

3915
02:12:22,906 --> 02:12:26,710
But a lot of people just wanted

3916
02:12:26,710 --> 02:12:27,411
to tell huge, huge welcome to

3917
02:12:27,411 --> 02:12:29,380
larisa.

3918
02:12:29,380 --> 02:12:32,490
Not only from miami, but from

3919
02:12:32,490 --> 02:12:33,684
the whole country.

3920
02:12:33,684 --> 02:12:34,118
And, you know, they are all

3921
02:12:34,118 --> 02:12:35,219
excited.

3922
02:12:35,219 --> 02:12:36,153
>> Mayor: please, your name.

3923
02:12:36,153 --> 02:12:36,654
What is your name?

3924
02:12:36,654 --> 02:12:37,888
I'm sorry.

3925
02:12:37,888 --> 02:12:40,888
Your name and your address.

3926
02:12:42,826 --> 02:12:45,226
>> my name is olga.

3927
02:12:45,496 --> 02:12:48,496
>> what is your address, please?

3928
02:12:48,532 --> 02:12:49,367
>> I live in the colony estates.

3929
02:12:49,367 --> 02:12:52,236
I don't know the address because

3930
02:12:52,236 --> 02:12:52,503
I just moved in here.

3931
02:12:52,503 --> 02:12:54,503
>> what?

3932
02:12:55,740 --> 02:12:57,608
>> what's my address?

3933
02:12:57,608 --> 02:12:59,543
I lived at ocean.

3934
02:12:59,543 --> 02:13:00,912
So 1701, but I just moved like a

3935
02:13:00,912 --> 02:13:02,647
month ago to the new building.

3936
02:13:02,647 --> 02:13:04,515
But I lived in the united states

3937
02:13:04,515 --> 02:13:05,316
for 40 years, but it's a new

3938
02:13:05,316 --> 02:13:07,316
address for me.

3939
02:13:10,854 --> 02:13:11,155
But we welcome her for a long

3940
02:13:11,155 --> 02:13:13,155
time.

3941
02:13:13,324 --> 02:13:16,930
She helped me years ago when she

3942
02:13:16,930 --> 02:13:17,728
wasn't the mayor.

3943
02:13:17,728 --> 02:13:20,198
We talked a long time when she

3944
02:13:20,198 --> 02:13:21,799
wasn't the mayor for years.

3945
02:13:21,799 --> 02:13:24,100
She has been very supportive in

3946
02:13:24,100 --> 02:13:26,401
a lot of topics.

3947
02:13:26,770 --> 02:13:28,105
We are very excited and we are

3948
02:13:28,105 --> 02:13:28,305
looking forward for the years to

3949
02:13:28,305 --> 02:13:29,240
come.

3950
02:13:29,240 --> 02:13:29,540
Thank you so much for

3951
02:13:29,540 --> 02:13:30,975
supporting.

3952
02:13:30,975 --> 02:13:34,544
We are looking forward to work

3953
02:13:34,544 --> 02:13:35,913
with all commissioners.

3954
02:13:35,913 --> 02:13:37,147
We are planning a lot of events.

3955
02:13:37,147 --> 02:13:38,583
And actually, it's a huge

3956
02:13:38,583 --> 02:13:39,217
schedule so be ready to work

3957
02:13:39,217 --> 02:13:40,318
with us.

3958
02:13:40,318 --> 02:13:41,686
And we are very excited.

3959
02:13:41,686 --> 02:13:42,921
Thank you so much.

3960
02:13:42,921 --> 02:13:43,321
[Applause]

3961
02:13:43,321 --> 02:13:45,321
>> Mayor: okay.

3962
02:13:49,394 --> 02:13:50,627
We have the resolution to

3963
02:13:50,627 --> 02:13:50,929
establish the charter review

3964
02:13:50,929 --> 02:13:52,929
commission.

3965
02:13:53,498 --> 02:13:53,798
Do we have a motion?

3966
02:13:53,798 --> 02:13:55,466
>> motion.

3967
02:13:55,466 --> 02:13:55,900
>> Mayor: motion to approve

3968
02:13:55,900 --> 02:13:57,900
commissioner joseph.

3969
02:13:59,137 --> 02:13:59,771
Do we have a second?

3970
02:13:59,771 --> 02:14:00,371
>> second.

3971
02:14:00,371 --> 02:14:00,904
>> commissioner stuyvesant.

3972
02:14:00,904 --> 02:14:01,206
>> Mayor: all in favor.

3973
02:14:01,206 --> 02:14:03,206
[Ayes]

3974
02:14:06,244 --> 02:14:08,244
Motion passes.

3975
02:14:08,646 --> 02:14:09,470
[Applause]

3976
02:14:09,470 --> 02:14:10,949
>> Mayor: okay.

3977
02:14:10,949 --> 02:14:12,830
Item number 10g.

3978
02:14:12,830 --> 02:14:13,952
>> 10g is a resolution accepting

3979
02:14:13,952 --> 02:14:16,952
the results of the general

3980
02:14:18,230 --> 02:14:20,692
runoff election held on tuesday

3981
02:14:20,692 --> 02:14:22,661
DECEMBER 6th, 2022 declaring

3982
02:14:22,661 --> 02:14:23,695
larisa svechin to be elected as

3983
02:14:23,695 --> 02:14:25,695
mayor.

3984
02:14:25,830 --> 02:14:26,998
Self-explanatory, mayor and

3985
02:14:26,998 --> 02:14:27,232
commissioners, accepting the

3986
02:14:27,232 --> 02:14:28,934
results.

3987
02:14:28,934 --> 02:14:31,169
I'd like to clarify one thing

3988
02:14:31,169 --> 02:14:33,271
that's on the resolution.

3989
02:14:33,271 --> 02:14:35,506
It is incorrectly listing the --

3990
02:14:35,506 --> 02:14:38,276
I'm sorry, let me just pull it

3991
02:14:38,276 --> 02:14:41,276
up for you really quickly.

3992
02:14:43,815 --> 02:14:45,317
The total number of votes cast

3993
02:14:45,317 --> 02:14:47,317
for each candidate.

3994
02:14:48,153 --> 02:14:50,553
The resolution listed at 3,320,

3995
02:14:55,794 --> 02:14:56,940
but it's actually 3,318.

3996
02:14:56,940 --> 02:14:56,862
[Inaudible]

3997
02:14:56,862 --> 02:14:59,970
Yes, just for the record to

3998
02:14:59,970 --> 02:14:59,498
clear it up.

3999
02:14:59,498 --> 02:15:01,498
>> Mayor: okay.

4000
02:15:03,702 --> 02:15:03,869
We have a public speaker for

4001
02:15:03,869 --> 02:15:05,869
10g.

4002
02:15:07,839 --> 02:15:10,676
Do you want to speak or no?

4003
02:15:10,676 --> 02:15:13,760
>> what was the name?

4004
02:15:19,217 --> 02:15:20,852
>> Mayor: capra.

4005
02:15:20,852 --> 02:15:21,353
>> I'm just going to read my

4006
02:15:21,353 --> 02:15:23,353
comment.

4007
02:15:23,522 --> 02:15:25,389
Dana, my first experience

4008
02:15:25,389 --> 02:15:27,225
knowing you created a belief

4009
02:15:27,225 --> 02:15:29,261
that the little man with the

4010
02:15:29,261 --> 02:15:31,430
mouth, your husband michael

4011
02:15:31,430 --> 02:15:33,899
gates, forced the evil from you.

4012
02:15:33,899 --> 02:15:38,300
In part, that was true, but you

4013
02:15:38,300 --> 02:15:39,538
proved to be far worse.

4014
02:15:39,538 --> 02:15:40,672
Your $20 million lawsuit of lies

4015
02:15:40,672 --> 02:15:42,441
exposed you and you paid the

4016
02:15:42,441 --> 02:15:44,176
price for your evil act in more

4017
02:15:44,176 --> 02:15:45,811
ways than money.

4018
02:15:45,811 --> 02:15:47,120
Your loss today --

4019
02:15:47,120 --> 02:15:48,460
>> greg, this is totally -- this

4020
02:15:48,460 --> 02:15:49,114
is so inappropriate.

4021
02:15:49,114 --> 02:15:49,948
>> it's appropriate, believe me.

4022
02:15:49,948 --> 02:15:50,249
>> Mayor: it's no, sir,

4023
02:15:50,249 --> 02:15:51,383
appropriate.

4024
02:15:51,383 --> 02:15:54,530
And I will ask you --

4025
02:15:54,530 --> 02:15:54,687
>> it took years to expose you.

4026
02:15:54,687 --> 02:15:56,687
>> Mayor: I'm sorry.

4027
02:15:58,457 --> 02:16:00,726
But you're going to --

4028
02:16:00,726 --> 02:16:00,926
>> you showed your true self to

4029
02:16:00,926 --> 02:16:01,660
them.

4030
02:16:01,660 --> 02:16:01,961
>> Mayor: this is not

4031
02:16:01,961 --> 02:16:03,961
appropriate.

4032
02:16:06,899 --> 02:16:07,266
This is totally not appropriate.

4033
02:16:07,266 --> 02:16:08,601
[Cross talking]

4034
02:16:08,601 --> 02:16:08,934
It's not appropriate.

4035
02:16:08,934 --> 02:16:10,869
>> okay.

4036
02:16:10,869 --> 02:16:11,469
Then you declare him out of

4037
02:16:11,469 --> 02:16:12,238
order.

4038
02:16:12,238 --> 02:16:15,173
>> Mayor: you're out of order.

4039
02:16:15,173 --> 02:16:15,574
You ask him to stop.

4040
02:16:15,574 --> 02:16:16,742
>> Mayor: stop.

4041
02:16:16,742 --> 02:16:17,576
>> if he doesn't stop --

4042
02:16:17,576 --> 02:16:17,743
>> Mayor: you will be escorted

4043
02:16:17,743 --> 02:16:19,245
out.

4044
02:16:19,245 --> 02:16:20,745
>> you can ask him out.

4045
02:16:20,745 --> 02:16:22,715
>> Mayor: please leave the room.

4046
02:16:22,715 --> 02:16:23,415
I'm sorry, please leave the

4047
02:16:23,415 --> 02:16:25,415
room.

4048
02:16:25,918 --> 02:16:28,487
Please, leave -- please, can we

4049
02:16:28,487 --> 02:16:29,288
have the police?

4050
02:16:29,288 --> 02:16:30,456
Wait.

4051
02:16:30,456 --> 02:16:32,758
luke, luke, we're going to have

4052
02:16:32,758 --> 02:16:36,358
you escorted out of the room.

4053
02:16:36,996 --> 02:16:37,830
We are going to have you

4054
02:16:37,830 --> 02:16:40,830
escorted out of the room.

4055
02:16:41,000 --> 02:16:43,668
Get him out of the room.

4056
02:16:43,668 --> 02:16:45,668
[Crowd noise]

4057
02:16:55,948 --> 02:16:57,948
[Crowd chanting]

4058
02:17:10,960 --> 02:17:10,629
[Crowd noise]

4059
02:17:10,629 --> 02:17:11,830
>> we can't.

4060
02:17:11,830 --> 02:17:14,830
>> Mayor: we have to be

4061
02:17:15,768 --> 02:17:17,768
appropriate.

4062
02:17:19,500 --> 02:17:21,500
[Crowd noise]

4063
02:17:21,974 --> 02:17:25,574
>> mayor, can you have a motion?

4064
02:17:27,546 --> 02:17:29,546
>> Mayor: for what?

4065
02:17:29,549 --> 02:17:31,549
[Crowd noise]

4066
02:17:31,918 --> 02:17:32,719
What?

4067
02:17:32,719 --> 02:17:34,719
>> a motion.

4068
02:17:34,954 --> 02:17:36,954
A motion.

4069
02:17:41,661 --> 02:17:42,428
Call for order.

4070
02:17:42,428 --> 02:17:43,596
>> Mayor: I'm sorry.

4071
02:17:43,596 --> 02:17:45,732
This is not --

4072
02:17:45,732 --> 02:17:46,900
>> he can stay.

4073
02:17:46,900 --> 02:17:48,101
>> Mayor: this is so not

4074
02:17:48,101 --> 02:17:48,368
appropriate, this type of

4075
02:17:48,368 --> 02:17:50,368
behavior.

4076
02:17:50,803 --> 02:17:53,203
It's really not appropriate.

4077
02:18:06,219 --> 02:18:08,187
This is not -- this is not --

4078
02:18:08,187 --> 02:18:10,587
>> we need a motion.

4079
02:18:13,393 --> 02:18:15,128
>> Mayor: this is not -- this is

4080
02:18:15,128 --> 02:18:19,328
not -- this is meant to harass.

4081
02:18:20,900 --> 02:18:21,601
It's not on topic.

4082
02:18:21,601 --> 02:18:22,569
[Crowd noise]

4083
02:18:22,569 --> 02:18:23,770
>> Mayor: I mean what is the

4084
02:18:23,770 --> 02:18:25,605
purpose of this?

4085
02:18:25,605 --> 02:18:28,500
Just to harass me?

4086
02:18:30,877 --> 02:18:32,877
>> yes.

4087
02:18:33,513 --> 02:18:34,848
[Crowd noise]

4088
02:18:34,848 --> 02:18:36,848
>> let's unite everybody.

4089
02:18:39,286 --> 02:18:41,686
Let us celebrate, okay.

4090
02:18:53,300 --> 02:18:55,300
[Crowd noise]

4091
02:18:57,504 --> 02:18:59,904
>> thank you, MS. Olga.

4092
02:19:02,542 --> 02:19:04,542
[Applause]

4093
02:20:04,237 --> 02:20:06,207
[Crowd noise]

4094
02:20:06,207 --> 02:20:09,410
>> we have a time at the end of

4095
02:20:09,410 --> 02:20:09,709
the commission meeting for open

4096
02:20:09,709 --> 02:20:11,709
discussion.

4097
02:20:13,800 --> 02:20:15,449
That would be the time for any

4098
02:20:15,449 --> 02:20:15,749
speeches such as what we just

4099
02:20:15,749 --> 02:20:17,749
had.

4100
02:20:18,351 --> 02:20:21,550
And I'll leave it at that.

4101
02:20:21,550 --> 02:20:21,722
>> let me read from the code if

4102
02:20:21,722 --> 02:20:23,722
I MAY.

4103
02:20:24,692 --> 02:20:27,692
Any person making impertinent or

4104
02:20:28,996 --> 02:20:30,300
slanderous remarks or becomes

4105
02:20:30,300 --> 02:20:31,365
boisterous while addressing the

4106
02:20:31,365 --> 02:20:32,990
commission shall be barred from

4107
02:20:32,990 --> 02:20:34,267
further appearance before the

4108
02:20:34,267 --> 02:20:35,703
commission by the presiding

4109
02:20:35,703 --> 02:20:36,837
officer unless permission to

4110
02:20:36,837 --> 02:20:38,906
continue or again address the

4111
02:20:38,906 --> 02:20:40,441
commission is granted by the

4112
02:20:40,441 --> 02:20:42,743
majority vote of the commission

4113
02:20:42,743 --> 02:20:44,743
members present.

4114
02:20:46,881 --> 02:20:47,181
In my opinion, that was

4115
02:20:47,181 --> 02:20:47,715
slanderous.

4116
02:20:47,715 --> 02:20:49,715
[Crowd noise]

4117
02:20:50,251 --> 02:20:51,850
>> no, it is true.

4118
02:20:51,850 --> 02:20:52,553
[Crowd noise]

4119
02:20:52,553 --> 02:20:56,153
>> and it further says that no

4120
02:20:56,157 --> 02:20:58,157
clapping, applauding, heckeling

4121
02:21:01,295 --> 02:21:01,562
or verbal outbursts shall be

4122
02:21:01,562 --> 02:21:03,464
permitted.

4123
02:21:03,464 --> 02:21:05,833
Persons exiting the commission

4124
02:21:05,833 --> 02:21:07,668
chambers shall do so quietly.

4125
02:21:07,668 --> 02:21:09,404
But it's up to you whether you

4126
02:21:09,404 --> 02:21:10,938
want to hear the rest of

4127
02:21:10,938 --> 02:21:12,473
whatever time he had left.

4128
02:21:12,473 --> 02:21:13,408
I don't know what that is.

4129
02:21:13,408 --> 02:21:16,277
>> Mayor: so we can take a

4130
02:21:16,277 --> 02:21:16,544
majority vote?

4131
02:21:16,544 --> 02:21:18,460
>> yes.

4132
02:21:18,460 --> 02:21:19,580
>> Mayor: I'll leave it to my

4133
02:21:19,580 --> 02:21:22,580
colleagues to make the vote.

4134
02:21:26,955 --> 02:21:27,355
>> I vote no.

4135
02:21:27,355 --> 02:21:28,589
>> jeniffer.

4136
02:21:28,589 --> 02:21:30,291
>> no, I agree.

4137
02:21:30,291 --> 02:21:33,127
I think that was inappropriate.

4138
02:21:33,127 --> 02:21:35,630
And I mean it's such a horrible

4139
02:21:35,630 --> 02:21:37,231
way -- I mean this is a vote on

4140
02:21:37,231 --> 02:21:38,967
an election result.

4141
02:21:38,967 --> 02:21:40,670
I mean you are just really

4142
02:21:40,670 --> 02:21:41,336
setting the wrong tone here.

4143
02:21:41,336 --> 02:21:44,336
I don't think it's appropriate

4144
02:21:45,640 --> 02:21:46,775
at all.

4145
02:21:46,775 --> 02:21:48,743
>> Mayor: and you are a

4146
02:21:48,743 --> 02:21:51,743
supporter and you don't agree.

4147
02:21:54,849 --> 02:21:56,849
>> okay, all right.

4148
02:22:00,622 --> 02:22:00,988
Can I see that card, his card?

4149
02:22:00,988 --> 02:22:02,988
>> Mayor: 10g.

4150
02:22:03,580 --> 02:22:04,426
>> so it was 10g, obviously it

4151
02:22:04,426 --> 02:22:05,961
was off topic, okay.

4152
02:22:05,961 --> 02:22:08,530
And then going back to what the

4153
02:22:08,530 --> 02:22:11,299
city attorney said and the name

4154
02:22:11,299 --> 02:22:11,633
calling I think is very

4155
02:22:11,633 --> 02:22:13,633
inappropriate.

4156
02:22:14,135 --> 02:22:16,337
So I don't see the point in it.

4157
02:22:16,337 --> 02:22:16,571
You know, I think it's just name

4158
02:22:16,571 --> 02:22:18,571
calling.

4159
02:22:18,673 --> 02:22:19,841
And I don't see that adds to

4160
02:22:19,841 --> 02:22:22,477
anything if we're looking to

4161
02:22:22,477 --> 02:22:24,120
move forward.

4162
02:22:24,120 --> 02:22:26,882
So maybe you're stuck in the

4163
02:22:26,882 --> 02:22:28,550
past, but I mean we need to move

4164
02:22:28,550 --> 02:22:29,885
forward.

4165
02:22:29,885 --> 02:22:31,219
Name calling, you know, is not

4166
02:22:31,219 --> 02:22:32,254
my cup of tea and I will not

4167
02:22:32,254 --> 02:22:32,554
allow that.

4168
02:22:32,554 --> 02:22:34,554
Okay?

4169
02:22:34,856 --> 02:22:36,224
No matter what the personal

4170
02:22:36,224 --> 02:22:37,592
issues you have with that

4171
02:22:37,592 --> 02:22:38,827
person, we are at a commission

4172
02:22:38,827 --> 02:22:41,620
meeting and we are here to

4173
02:22:41,620 --> 02:22:41,629
discuss city business, not

4174
02:22:41,629 --> 02:22:43,431
personal business.

4175
02:22:43,431 --> 02:22:45,000
So let's keep it at that.

4176
02:22:45,000 --> 02:22:47,000
Thank you.

4177
02:22:47,468 --> 02:22:50,739
>> and I'd like to also say,

4178
02:22:50,739 --> 02:22:51,106
greg, that you --

4179
02:22:51,106 --> 02:22:53,106
[Applause]

4180
02:22:55,430 --> 02:22:57,511
You have already aired all of

4181
02:22:57,511 --> 02:23:00,382
your rhetoric against the mayor,

4182
02:23:00,382 --> 02:23:02,217
the former mayor on facebook.

4183
02:23:02,217 --> 02:23:04,586
Everyone has seen it.

4184
02:23:04,586 --> 02:23:04,853
Everyone has seen it on

4185
02:23:04,853 --> 02:23:06,421
facebook.

4186
02:23:06,421 --> 02:23:07,256
I think you have put out

4187
02:23:07,256 --> 02:23:09,425
everything possibly that could

4188
02:23:09,425 --> 02:23:10,659
be put out against the mayor.

4189
02:23:10,659 --> 02:23:11,160
So anyone could go back and look

4190
02:23:11,160 --> 02:23:13,128
at it.

4191
02:23:13,128 --> 02:23:13,362
`we don't have to hear it

4192
02:23:13,362 --> 02:23:14,280
tonight.

4193
02:23:14,280 --> 02:23:15,664
Thank you.

4194
02:23:15,664 --> 02:23:18,640
>> mayor, MAY I speak?

4195
02:23:19,201 --> 02:23:19,667
>> Mayor: no, you're not even --

4196
02:23:19,667 --> 02:23:20,702
[Cheers and applause]

4197
02:23:20,702 --> 02:23:22,771
You're not even --

4198
02:23:22,771 --> 02:23:23,938
you just walk up to the mic?

4199
02:23:23,938 --> 02:23:25,341
You can't -- you want to fill

4200
02:23:25,341 --> 02:23:26,307
out a public speaker card.

4201
02:23:26,307 --> 02:23:27,543
this is not --

4202
02:23:27,543 --> 02:23:28,910
>> I'll fill it out but you as

4203
02:23:28,910 --> 02:23:31,847
the chair can allow me to speak

4204
02:23:31,847 --> 02:23:32,247
a few minutes.

4205
02:23:32,247 --> 02:23:34,247
>> Mayor: okay.

4206
02:23:34,249 --> 02:23:36,185
>> so I just want to say that I

4207
02:23:36,185 --> 02:23:36,418
was hoping that this would not

4208
02:23:36,418 --> 02:23:38,254
happen.

4209
02:23:38,254 --> 02:23:38,486
I definitely want the city to be

4210
02:23:38,486 --> 02:23:40,486
united.

4211
02:23:40,723 --> 02:23:42,258
I do not in any way support or

4212
02:23:42,258 --> 02:23:44,426
condone anyone on this dais to

4213
02:23:44,426 --> 02:23:46,161
be insulted in any way.

4214
02:23:46,161 --> 02:23:48,429
Although I am a believer in free

4215
02:23:48,429 --> 02:23:49,131
speech, it has a time and a

4216
02:23:49,131 --> 02:23:50,799
place.

4217
02:23:50,799 --> 02:23:54,999
And so this is certainly not how

4218
02:23:55,400 --> 02:23:56,571
I expected this item to go down

4219
02:23:56,571 --> 02:23:58,641
because as olga has indicated,

4220
02:23:58,641 --> 02:23:59,842
we do want to just move on

4221
02:23:59,842 --> 02:24:00,776
because it's not about

4222
02:24:00,776 --> 02:24:01,509
personalities, it's about the

4223
02:24:01,509 --> 02:24:03,509
office of mayor.

4224
02:24:04,647 --> 02:24:05,614
It's about the office

4225
02:24:05,614 --> 02:24:06,849
commissioner and we need to

4226
02:24:06,849 --> 02:24:08,784
respect that office no matter

4227
02:24:08,784 --> 02:24:09,952
what we think of a person

4228
02:24:09,952 --> 02:24:11,153
individually because it changes.

4229
02:24:11,153 --> 02:24:12,987
And that's the reality.

4230
02:24:12,987 --> 02:24:14,857
So I hope that we can just get

4231
02:24:14,857 --> 02:24:15,790
past this and get united and

4232
02:24:15,790 --> 02:24:16,391
just move on, please.

4233
02:24:16,391 --> 02:24:18,391
Thank you.

4234
02:24:18,461 --> 02:24:21,330
Thank you for letting me speak.

4235
02:24:21,330 --> 02:24:23,499
>> so you are a supporter of

4236
02:24:23,499 --> 02:24:25,340
cabra with his behavior?

4237
02:24:25,340 --> 02:24:26,668
>> Mayor: you're a supporter?

4238
02:24:26,668 --> 02:24:27,803
>> I'm asking that we move on.

4239
02:24:27,803 --> 02:24:30,203
I'm not condemning anyone.

4240
02:24:30,373 --> 02:24:32,108
I'm not supporting anyone.

4241
02:24:32,108 --> 02:24:32,408
>> so you're against what he

4242
02:24:32,408 --> 02:24:33,142
did?

4243
02:24:33,142 --> 02:24:35,142
No, I'm sorry.

4244
02:24:35,211 --> 02:24:37,146
So you are against what he did?

4245
02:24:37,146 --> 02:24:38,881
>> I am not in any support of

4246
02:24:38,881 --> 02:24:40,316
anyone being insulted.

4247
02:24:40,316 --> 02:24:40,583
>> specific, so you are a

4248
02:24:40,583 --> 02:24:41,784
supporter.

4249
02:24:41,784 --> 02:24:42,618
Are you okay with what he was

4250
02:24:42,618 --> 02:24:44,253
doing?

4251
02:24:44,253 --> 02:24:46,253
>> okay, time out.

4252
02:24:46,289 --> 02:24:46,689
I think, listen, at this

4253
02:24:46,689 --> 02:24:47,757
point --

4254
02:24:47,757 --> 02:24:48,357
>> I am not looking to debate

4255
02:24:48,357 --> 02:24:50,357
with anyone.

4256
02:24:50,760 --> 02:24:51,294
>> hold on, at this point --

4257
02:24:51,294 --> 02:24:53,294
[Cross talking]

4258
02:25:10,313 --> 02:25:10,613
>> thank you.

4259
02:25:10,613 --> 02:25:11,347
[Inaudible]

4260
02:25:11,347 --> 02:25:12,282
>> thank you, olga.

4261
02:25:12,282 --> 02:25:14,149
I don't think this is the time

4262
02:25:14,149 --> 02:25:17,220
or a place to have this

4263
02:25:17,220 --> 02:25:19,220
discussion.

4264
02:25:32,168 --> 02:25:34,168
[Inaudible]

4265
02:25:34,838 --> 02:25:35,772
>> she can't do anything about

4266
02:25:35,772 --> 02:25:37,772
this.

4267
02:25:38,942 --> 02:25:39,175
Dana can't do anything about

4268
02:25:39,175 --> 02:25:41,175
this.

4269
02:25:43,146 --> 02:25:44,414
It's not a problem --

4270
02:25:44,414 --> 02:25:46,449
>> let me just say it's very,

4271
02:25:46,449 --> 02:25:48,218
very difficult to sit up there.

4272
02:25:48,218 --> 02:25:49,319
It's very challenging and it is

4273
02:25:49,319 --> 02:25:51,540
especially hard when someone

4274
02:25:51,540 --> 02:25:53,256
comes up against whatever it is

4275
02:25:53,256 --> 02:25:54,570
you are voting on or you

4276
02:25:54,570 --> 02:25:54,791
personally and I have had that

4277
02:25:54,791 --> 02:25:56,526
happen to me.

4278
02:25:56,526 --> 02:25:58,495
It's not pleasant.

4279
02:25:58,495 --> 02:26:01,131
And yes, fabiola, I do not

4280
02:26:01,131 --> 02:26:02,650
condone in any way anyone

4281
02:26:02,650 --> 02:26:03,900
insulting anyone from here to

4282
02:26:03,900 --> 02:26:05,680
this body because I have the

4283
02:26:05,680 --> 02:26:06,603
utmost respect for this body.

4284
02:26:06,603 --> 02:26:08,638
And that is the reason that I

4285
02:26:08,638 --> 02:26:09,573
ran and I intend to maintain

4286
02:26:09,573 --> 02:26:11,240
that promise.

4287
02:26:11,240 --> 02:26:12,776
So that's why I'm just asking

4288
02:26:12,776 --> 02:26:15,145
that we just move on, please.

4289
02:26:15,145 --> 02:26:17,145
Thank you.

4290
02:26:22,619 --> 02:26:23,190
[Applause]

4291
02:26:23,190 --> 02:26:25,190
>> Mayor: okay.

4292
02:26:25,188 --> 02:26:25,455
We have no other public

4293
02:26:25,455 --> 02:26:25,989
speakers.

4294
02:26:25,989 --> 02:26:26,823
>> yes, we did.

4295
02:26:26,823 --> 02:26:29,223
We had one more.

4296
02:26:33,597 --> 02:26:33,797
>> Mayor: we have one more.

4297
02:26:33,797 --> 02:26:35,797
Felix.

4298
02:26:36,660 --> 02:26:38,660
[Crowd noise]

4299
02:26:38,402 --> 02:26:38,669
[Boos]

4300
02:26:38,669 --> 02:26:39,970
>> wow.

4301
02:26:39,970 --> 02:26:41,970
>> hold on.

4302
02:26:42,500 --> 02:26:43,273
Hold on.

4303
02:26:43,273 --> 02:26:44,107
>> Mayor: did we MISS The

4304
02:26:44,107 --> 02:26:45,108
comments and the rules?

4305
02:26:45,108 --> 02:26:46,843
Come on.

4306
02:26:46,843 --> 02:26:48,843
>> everybody, please, time-out.

4307
02:26:48,911 --> 02:26:50,947
Let's get our heads straight.

4308
02:26:50,947 --> 02:26:51,215
Please, let's get our heads

4309
02:26:51,215 --> 02:26:52,282
straight.

4310
02:26:52,282 --> 02:26:52,549
We are here to discuss city

4311
02:26:52,549 --> 02:26:54,510
business.

4312
02:26:54,510 --> 02:26:55,986
We are not here to heckle.

4313
02:26:55,986 --> 02:26:57,221
We're not in high school.

4314
02:26:57,221 --> 02:26:59,221
Okay.

4315
02:27:09,291 --> 02:27:09,400
So please, seriously, this is

4316
02:27:09,400 --> 02:27:09,474
getting out of hand.

4317
02:27:09,474 --> 02:27:09,550
Okay?

4318
02:27:09,550 --> 02:27:09,631
That's it.

4319
02:27:09,631 --> 02:27:09,706
Enough.

4320
02:27:09,706 --> 02:27:11,706
>> thank you.

4321
02:27:12,403 --> 02:27:15,572
My name is felix kizner, I live

4322
02:27:15,572 --> 02:27:16,840
at 250 174th street, honorable

4323
02:27:16,840 --> 02:27:19,240
mayor, honorable vice mayor,

4324
02:27:20,309 --> 02:27:21,745
members of the commission, as

4325
02:27:21,745 --> 02:27:22,579
thomas jefferson once said the

4326
02:27:22,579 --> 02:27:24,114
government that you deserve is

4327
02:27:24,114 --> 02:27:25,783
the government you elect.

4328
02:27:25,783 --> 02:27:28,551
And vice versa, the government

4329
02:27:28,551 --> 02:27:28,786
you elect is the government you

4330
02:27:28,786 --> 02:27:30,688
deserve.

4331
02:27:30,688 --> 02:27:32,556
Thank you for the people that

4332
02:27:32,556 --> 02:27:34,956
volunteered and voted because

4333
02:27:36,160 --> 02:27:36,961
that's what makes america great.

4334
02:27:36,961 --> 02:27:38,961
People's participation.

4335
02:27:46,350 --> 02:27:46,112
But it's done with respect, not

4336
02:27:46,112 --> 02:27:46,190
with heckling.

4337
02:27:46,190 --> 02:27:46,268
Not with personal attack and

4338
02:27:46,268 --> 02:27:46,342
pointing fingers at the city

4339
02:27:46,342 --> 02:27:46,417
commission.

4340
02:27:46,417 --> 02:27:46,494
That's not what america is

4341
02:27:46,494 --> 02:27:48,494
about.

4342
02:27:49,730 --> 02:27:52,730
That's what russia is about.

4343
02:27:52,376 --> 02:27:54,145
That's what venezuela is about.

4344
02:27:54,145 --> 02:27:56,380
But not sunny isles beach.

4345
02:27:56,380 --> 02:27:59,490
And I don't think we should let

4346
02:27:59,490 --> 02:27:59,650
anybody make a spectacle out of

4347
02:27:59,650 --> 02:28:01,118
our city.

4348
02:28:01,118 --> 02:28:01,652
We have a very nice city up

4349
02:28:01,652 --> 02:28:02,653
until today.

4350
02:28:02,653 --> 02:28:04,653
And I don't

4351
02:28:04,855 --> 02:28:05,389
i don't understand what

4352
02:28:05,389 --> 02:28:06,557
happened to it.

4353
02:28:06,557 --> 02:28:07,591
I have been living here since

4354
02:28:07,591 --> 02:28:09,591
the year 2000.

4355
02:28:10,461 --> 02:28:11,695
I still thank everyone who

4356
02:28:11,695 --> 02:28:13,164
volunteered, who were the poll

4357
02:28:13,164 --> 02:28:16,164
watchers and took the time.

4358
02:28:16,167 --> 02:28:17,702
And again, now I have a question

4359
02:28:17,702 --> 02:28:20,102
to the canvassing board.

4360
02:28:20,137 --> 02:28:23,700
There was a question about

4361
02:28:23,700 --> 02:28:24,442
district number 3.

4362
02:28:24,442 --> 02:28:27,111
And that district you had two

4363
02:28:27,111 --> 02:28:29,380
machines where people voted.

4364
02:28:29,380 --> 02:28:31,114
One machine was broken most of

4365
02:28:31,114 --> 02:28:31,983
the time and it had to be reset

4366
02:28:31,983 --> 02:28:34,180
from what I understand.

4367
02:28:34,180 --> 02:28:34,218
I know my relatives came to

4368
02:28:34,218 --> 02:28:36,218
vote.

4369
02:28:37,789 --> 02:28:39,557
One of them had 415 votes,

4370
02:28:39,557 --> 02:28:42,226
that's why there was a lot more.

4371
02:28:42,226 --> 02:28:43,361
One had 185 votes if that's

4372
02:28:43,361 --> 02:28:43,561
correct, the numbers that I

4373
02:28:43,561 --> 02:28:44,696
have.

4374
02:28:44,696 --> 02:28:45,863
The machine that didn't work

4375
02:28:45,863 --> 02:28:49,133
most of the day or part of the

4376
02:28:49,133 --> 02:28:49,467
day I guess had no problem with

4377
02:28:49,467 --> 02:28:51,402
transmission.

4378
02:28:51,402 --> 02:28:53,771
The machine that didn't work

4379
02:28:53,771 --> 02:28:56,400
well all the day had a problem

4380
02:28:56,400 --> 02:28:58,400
with transmission.

4381
02:28:58,675 --> 02:29:02,275
But in america today, we have

4382
02:29:02,913 --> 02:29:04,749
great amount of factors to make

4383
02:29:04,749 --> 02:29:07,252
sure the vote is proper.

4384
02:29:07,252 --> 02:29:08,953
I'm sorry, this is not poinciana

4385
02:29:08,953 --> 02:29:09,587
board of directrs, this is city

4386
02:29:09,587 --> 02:29:11,222
commission board of directors.

4387
02:29:11,222 --> 02:29:12,891
So please give me the respect

4388
02:29:12,891 --> 02:29:14,992
that I gave you when you spoke.

4389
02:29:14,992 --> 02:29:15,860
So bottom line is I know that

4390
02:29:15,860 --> 02:29:17,860
there's safety factors.

4391
02:29:18,930 --> 02:29:20,765
One of the things is the drive,

4392
02:29:20,765 --> 02:29:23,768
which is a machine which was

4393
02:29:23,768 --> 02:29:24,669
taken to the city because the

4394
02:29:24,669 --> 02:29:26,237
transmission didn't take place

4395
02:29:26,237 --> 02:29:28,272
on the machine that worked all

4396
02:29:28,272 --> 02:29:31,272
day, which is especially coded.

4397
02:29:33,378 --> 02:29:34,546
And number two, there are other

4398
02:29:34,546 --> 02:29:34,746
safety factors such as physical

4399
02:29:34,746 --> 02:29:36,581
count.

4400
02:29:36,581 --> 02:29:37,715
Because the election is so close

4401
02:29:37,715 --> 02:29:39,715
that

4402
02:29:41,219 --> 02:29:43,255
close, did the canvassing board

4403
02:29:43,255 --> 02:29:44,288
think to physically count from

4404
02:29:44,288 --> 02:29:45,824
the machine?

4405
02:29:45,824 --> 02:29:46,958
>> Mayor: can we hear him

4406
02:29:46,958 --> 02:29:47,692
respectfully like we just went

4407
02:29:47,692 --> 02:29:49,527
through, please?

4408
02:29:49,527 --> 02:29:50,394
>> so bottom line, was it ever

4409
02:29:50,394 --> 02:29:52,230
considered to do a physical

4410
02:29:52,230 --> 02:29:52,430
count because it's only 600

4411
02:29:52,430 --> 02:29:53,365
votes?

4412
02:29:53,365 --> 02:29:54,366
To make sure that the machine

4413
02:29:54,366 --> 02:29:57,680
where people put in the votes

4414
02:29:57,680 --> 02:29:58,103
and spit it out and there was no

4415
02:29:58,103 --> 02:29:58,302
double counting or anything like

4416
02:29:58,302 --> 02:30:00,302
that.

4417
02:30:01,473 --> 02:30:03,473
Thank you.

4418
02:30:10,482 --> 02:30:11,283
I'm done speaking, thank you.

4419
02:30:11,283 --> 02:30:12,751
>> Mayor: everyone, please

4420
02:30:12,751 --> 02:30:14,686
observe the decorum, please.

4421
02:30:14,686 --> 02:30:16,955
This is a little out of hand.

4422
02:30:16,955 --> 02:30:19,191
It's a little out of hand,

4423
02:30:19,191 --> 02:30:20,759
everybody.

4424
02:30:20,759 --> 02:30:22,940
Okay.

4425
02:30:22,940 --> 02:30:23,328
>> okay.

4426
02:30:23,328 --> 02:30:25,664
So is it considered ever

4427
02:30:25,664 --> 02:30:25,997
physically recounting?

4428
02:30:25,997 --> 02:30:27,997
[Crowd noise]

4429
02:30:31,636 --> 02:30:32,337
Thank you.

4430
02:30:32,337 --> 02:30:34,337
>> Mayor: okay.

4431
02:30:36,842 --> 02:30:37,420
Public speaker comments are

4432
02:30:37,420 --> 02:30:39,420
done.

4433
02:30:41,647 --> 02:30:45,884
And I think we -- do we have any

4434
02:30:45,884 --> 02:30:48,284
comments about this item?

4435
02:30:49,488 --> 02:30:50,789
Do we have any comments on this?

4436
02:30:50,789 --> 02:30:52,789
>> mayor, commissioners --

4437
02:30:54,993 --> 02:30:56,561
>> Mayor: for me, I have some

4438
02:30:56,561 --> 02:30:57,829
concerns about -- I have some

4439
02:30:57,829 --> 02:30:59,831
concerns, but I'm willing to,

4440
02:30:59,831 --> 02:31:01,599
you know, hear from my

4441
02:31:01,599 --> 02:31:03,599
colleagues.

4442
02:31:09,842 --> 02:31:11,510
[Crowd noise]

4443
02:31:11,510 --> 02:31:12,244
Go ahead, commissioner lama,

4444
02:31:12,244 --> 02:31:14,146
commissioner joseph, does anyone

4445
02:31:14,146 --> 02:31:16,140
have any comments on this item?

4446
02:31:16,140 --> 02:31:16,248
Or are we just going to take a

4447
02:31:16,248 --> 02:31:17,490
motion?

4448
02:31:17,490 --> 02:31:18,584
>> are you going to answer some

4449
02:31:18,584 --> 02:31:20,190
of the questions?

4450
02:31:20,190 --> 02:31:21,787
Or the canvassing board?

4451
02:31:21,787 --> 02:31:24,423
>> no, we don't -- we don't

4452
02:31:24,423 --> 02:31:25,557
answer any of those questions.

4453
02:31:25,557 --> 02:31:26,791
No.

4454
02:31:26,791 --> 02:31:29,191
>> Mayor: the canvassing board

4455
02:31:29,662 --> 02:31:31,196
has basically certified and this

4456
02:31:31,196 --> 02:31:33,196
is a min

4457
02:31:33,666 --> 02:31:35,666
ministerial vote

4458
02:31:39,504 --> 02:31:40,973
essentially.

4459
02:31:40,973 --> 02:31:42,700
>> let's then put it up for a

4460
02:31:42,700 --> 02:31:42,508
vote.

4461
02:31:42,508 --> 02:31:43,274
>> Mayor: okay.

4462
02:31:43,274 --> 02:31:44,376
>> we need a motion.

4463
02:31:44,376 --> 02:31:45,578
>> Mayor: are you making a

4464
02:31:45,578 --> 02:31:47,578
motion?

4465
02:31:48,314 --> 02:31:50,160
>> no.

4466
02:31:50,160 --> 02:31:52,160
>> okay, hold on.

4467
02:31:53,419 --> 02:31:53,919
Let's discuss this a little bit.

4468
02:31:53,919 --> 02:31:54,486
>> Mayor: sure.

4469
02:31:54,486 --> 02:31:55,253
>> obviously there's some

4470
02:31:55,253 --> 02:31:56,455
questions here, okay.

4471
02:31:56,455 --> 02:31:57,924
We could discuss it.

4472
02:31:57,924 --> 02:32:00,493
Are you going to discuss it with

4473
02:32:00,493 --> 02:32:01,360
me, both of you on the

4474
02:32:01,360 --> 02:32:03,620
canvassing board?

4475
02:32:03,620 --> 02:32:04,930
Tell me a little bit.

4476
02:32:04,930 --> 02:32:05,331
I know there was a 20-vote

4477
02:32:05,331 --> 02:32:07,331
difference.

4478
02:32:08,833 --> 02:32:12,839
I want to understand why it did

4479
02:32:12,839 --> 02:32:14,673
not go to a recount, okay.

4480
02:32:14,673 --> 02:32:14,907
Why did it not trigger a

4481
02:32:14,907 --> 02:32:15,908
recount?

4482
02:32:15,908 --> 02:32:18,778
I just want to understand.

4483
02:32:18,778 --> 02:32:21,470
I want to understand for the

4484
02:32:21,470 --> 02:32:23,515
sake of the public, okay.

4485
02:32:23,515 --> 02:32:25,515
Because what?

4486
02:32:27,620 --> 02:32:28,855
>> the percentage was.06.

4487
02:32:28,855 --> 02:32:30,923
>> I know it did not trigger it

4488
02:32:30,923 --> 02:32:32,892
but felix posed some guess and I

4489
02:32:32,892 --> 02:32:34,527
want to be able to air this out.

4490
02:32:34,527 --> 02:32:36,595
I understand it, but I just want

4491
02:32:36,595 --> 02:32:37,396
the public to understand this a

4492
02:32:37,396 --> 02:32:38,196
little bit.

4493
02:32:38,196 --> 02:32:40,196
>> sure, sure.

4494
02:32:41,000 --> 02:32:44,000
Under state law, a machine

4495
02:32:44,671 --> 02:32:48,473
recount is only run in the event

4496
02:32:48,473 --> 02:32:49,809
that the margin is more than 1/2

4497
02:32:49,809 --> 02:32:51,444
of 1%.

4498
02:32:51,444 --> 02:32:52,277
>>.5.

4499
02:32:52,277 --> 02:32:52,645
>> correct.

4500
02:32:52,645 --> 02:32:54,645
This was.6.

4501
02:32:57,183 --> 02:32:57,450
so there's no recount under the

4502
02:32:57,450 --> 02:32:58,717
machines.

4503
02:32:58,717 --> 02:33:00,320
And what they do is they just

4504
02:33:00,320 --> 02:33:01,621
run the ballots

4505
02:33:01,621 --> 02:33:02,400
ballots back through the

4506
02:33:02,400 --> 02:33:03,689
machines.

4507
02:33:03,689 --> 02:33:05,291
You never get to a manual

4508
02:33:05,291 --> 02:33:07,691
recount unless the difference

4509
02:33:08,995 --> 02:33:10,995
after that is.25%.

4510
02:33:11,865 --> 02:33:13,533
So we never got to.25%.

4511
02:33:13,533 --> 02:33:13,767
And that's why there's no

4512
02:33:13,767 --> 02:33:15,767
recount.

4513
02:33:16,936 --> 02:33:17,871
Now, I will tell you that I

4514
02:33:17,871 --> 02:33:19,205
participated in the canvassing

4515
02:33:19,205 --> 02:33:20,507
board meeting last friday.

4516
02:33:20,507 --> 02:33:22,976
And at the end of the day what

4517
02:33:22,976 --> 02:33:25,545
happens is that the supervisors

4518
02:33:25,545 --> 02:33:27,914
of elections staff do what they

4519
02:33:27,914 --> 02:33:30,183
call an audit, a precinct audit.

4520
02:33:30,183 --> 02:33:31,618
What they do is take all four

4521
02:33:31,618 --> 02:33:33,586
precincts here and put them on

4522
02:33:33,586 --> 02:33:33,853
little stickers --

4523
02:33:33,853 --> 02:33:34,553
>> five.

4524
02:33:34,553 --> 02:33:35,922
>> five precincts.

4525
02:33:35,922 --> 02:33:37,570
They put them in a bowl.

4526
02:33:37,570 --> 02:33:38,425
Somebody picks out a number and

4527
02:33:38,425 --> 02:33:38,725
that's the number of the

4528
02:33:38,725 --> 02:33:40,725
precinct.

4529
02:33:40,894 --> 02:33:44,494
They bring out all of the

4530
02:33:45,650 --> 02:33:47,330
ballots, both the vote ballots

4531
02:33:47,330 --> 02:33:49,269
and previously received ballots

4532
02:33:49,269 --> 02:33:49,347
and they do a manual recount.

4533
02:33:49,347 --> 02:33:50,837
-

4534
02:33:50,837 --> 02:33:52,872
and when they did that, the

4535
02:33:52,872 --> 02:33:53,907
numbers were exactly matching

4536
02:33:53,907 --> 02:33:54,374
what the results were.

4537
02:33:54,374 --> 02:33:56,275
>> yes.

4538
02:33:56,275 --> 02:33:57,611
And I happen to have asked the

4539
02:33:57,611 --> 02:33:59,460
question whether there has ever

4540
02:33:59,460 --> 02:34:01,460
been a change.

4541
02:34:02,649 --> 02:34:02,949
And they answered no.

4542
02:34:02,949 --> 02:34:04,484
>> right.

4543
02:34:04,484 --> 02:34:05,418
>> so only one precinct was

4544
02:34:05,418 --> 02:34:05,759
audited.

4545
02:34:05,759 --> 02:34:07,287
>> yeah.

4546
02:34:07,287 --> 02:34:08,388
According to state law, right.

4547
02:34:08,388 --> 02:34:10,788
>> what precinct was that?

4548
02:34:10,857 --> 02:34:11,992
>> it was 2.

4549
02:34:11,992 --> 02:34:13,627
>> the church.

4550
02:34:13,627 --> 02:34:14,193
>> which was the church,

4551
02:34:14,193 --> 02:34:15,495
correct.

4552
02:34:15,495 --> 02:34:16,830
>> but it was totally random.

4553
02:34:16,830 --> 02:34:19,990
You know, it was one out of five

4554
02:34:19,990 --> 02:34:19,398
and they pulled it out of a

4555
02:34:19,398 --> 02:34:20,233
fishbowl.

4556
02:34:20,233 --> 02:34:22,690
>> and is

4557
02:34:22,690 --> 02:34:23,804
is there any validity to

4558
02:34:23,804 --> 02:34:25,973
some of the question marks,

4559
02:34:25,973 --> 02:34:26,640
rumors that we hear about

4560
02:34:26,640 --> 02:34:28,175
precinct 3?

4561
02:34:28,175 --> 02:34:30,511
>> I don't have any knowledge of%

4562
02:34:30,511 --> 02:34:31,845
any of those events.

4563
02:34:31,845 --> 02:34:34,245
>> it's moot because they

4564
02:34:34,615 --> 02:34:36,615
randomly selected district 2.

4565
02:34:36,950 --> 02:34:38,718
>> the supervisor's office and

4566
02:34:38,718 --> 02:34:39,420
canvassing board have now

4567
02:34:39,420 --> 02:34:40,454
certified those results.

4568
02:34:40,454 --> 02:34:42,823
And all you're doing is

4569
02:34:42,823 --> 02:34:43,190
accepting them.

4570
02:34:43,190 --> 02:34:44,891
>> okay.

4571
02:34:44,891 --> 02:34:45,125
>> and if someone has, you

4572
02:34:45,125 --> 02:34:46,927
know --

4573
02:34:46,927 --> 02:34:50,527
>> because I want the public to

4574
02:34:50,531 --> 02:34:51,197
understand and I want people to

4575
02:34:51,197 --> 02:34:51,565
learn, you know.

4576
02:34:51,565 --> 02:34:53,400
[Crowd noise]

4577
02:34:53,400 --> 02:34:54,535
No, I know.

4578
02:34:54,535 --> 02:34:56,935
But not everybody does.

4579
02:34:58,439 --> 02:34:58,739
There's a lot of rumors out

4580
02:34:58,739 --> 02:35:00,739
there.

4581
02:35:01,800 --> 02:35:02,243
So I think information is key

4582
02:35:02,243 --> 02:35:04,643
and knowledge is key.

4583
02:35:04,778 --> 02:35:07,178
So I'm asking --

4584
02:35:08,314 --> 02:35:09,750
[Crowd noise]

4585
02:35:09,750 --> 02:35:10,451
Well, I didn't know you had

4586
02:35:10,451 --> 02:35:12,860
corporate attorneys.

4587
02:35:12,860 --> 02:35:12,419
I don't know what you are

4588
02:35:12,419 --> 02:35:13,120
talking about.

4589
02:35:13,120 --> 02:35:15,120
Yeah, yeah.

4590
02:35:15,389 --> 02:35:15,689
Yeah, not --

4591
02:35:15,689 --> 02:35:16,390
[Inaudible]

4592
02:35:16,390 --> 02:35:18,390
Okay okay, yeah.

4593
02:35:18,592 --> 02:35:22,192
I just want, you know, to

4594
02:35:24,632 --> 02:35:25,990
understand and get this --

4595
02:35:25,990 --> 02:35:27,990
[Inaudible]

4596
02:35:27,368 --> 02:35:28,102
How do you know?

4597
02:35:28,102 --> 02:35:28,402
[Laughter]

4598
02:35:28,402 --> 02:35:30,402
[Inaudible]

4599
02:35:30,437 --> 02:35:32,206
Are you sure?

4600
02:35:32,206 --> 02:35:34,442
No, but I just wanted to

4601
02:35:34,442 --> 02:35:35,760
repeat --

4602
02:35:35,760 --> 02:35:37,110
[Inaudible]

4603
02:35:37,110 --> 02:35:37,445
Well, no, no.

4604
02:35:37,445 --> 02:35:37,778
>> Mayor: okay.

4605
02:35:37,778 --> 02:35:38,179
>> no.

4606
02:35:38,179 --> 02:35:40,179
Fair enough.

4607
02:35:40,414 --> 02:35:42,490
But I think it's always good to

4608
02:35:42,490 --> 02:35:42,783
impart information and

4609
02:35:42,783 --> 02:35:44,551
knowledge.

4610
02:35:44,551 --> 02:35:46,287
So, you know, it is not done in

4611
02:35:46,287 --> 02:35:48,287
a malicious way.

4612
02:35:48,422 --> 02:35:49,756
It's just done in a way to

4613
02:35:49,756 --> 02:35:51,525
understand, for people to

4614
02:35:51,525 --> 02:35:51,726
understand and be informed.

4615
02:35:51,726 --> 02:35:53,726
Okay.

4616
02:35:58,650 --> 02:35:59,333
So yeah.

4617
02:35:59,333 --> 02:36:01,169
>> Mayor: are we done?

4618
02:36:01,169 --> 02:36:01,435
>> yeah, anybody have any

4619
02:36:01,435 --> 02:36:02,270
comments?

4620
02:36:02,270 --> 02:36:05,270
>> Mayor: yes, I mean obviously

4621
02:36:07,208 --> 02:36:08,609
there are some concerns raised

4622
02:36:08,609 --> 02:36:09,276
about the number of ballots and

4623
02:36:09,276 --> 02:36:11,276
so forth.

4624
02:36:13,181 --> 02:36:15,480
But this is purely an

4625
02:36:15,480 --> 02:36:17,448
administerial vote to ratify

4626
02:36:17,517 --> 02:36:19,387
what are the results of the

4627
02:36:19,387 --> 02:36:21,222
canvassing board.

4628
02:36:21,222 --> 02:36:22,857
>> but another authority has

4629
02:36:22,857 --> 02:36:24,857
already determined.

4630
02:36:26,961 --> 02:36:28,961
>> okay.

4631
02:36:29,931 --> 02:36:31,931
>> Mayor: correct.

4632
02:36:32,100 --> 02:36:34,340
>> I think in the spirit of

4633
02:36:34,340 --> 02:36:35,870
following the rules -- because I

4634
02:36:35,870 --> 02:36:37,500
think that's -- I'm sorry, but I

4635
02:36:37,500 --> 02:36:40,605
don't think we have ever had

4636
02:36:41,543 --> 02:36:43,943
bullying in this --

4637
02:36:46,848 --> 02:36:47,649
this is such a poor tone to this

4638
02:36:47,649 --> 02:36:49,217
transition, right.

4639
02:36:49,217 --> 02:36:50,618
We have somebody who --

4640
02:36:50,618 --> 02:36:52,486
>> and it's unnecessary as well

4641
02:36:52,486 --> 02:36:54,255
I have to say.

4642
02:36:54,255 --> 02:36:54,789
>> you know, the rules apply to

4643
02:36:54,789 --> 02:36:56,624
you guys.

4644
02:36:56,624 --> 02:36:58,259
They apply to us as well.

4645
02:36:58,259 --> 02:36:59,928
We have to take a vote.

4646
02:36:59,928 --> 02:37:00,528
It says you shall do it, so

4647
02:37:00,528 --> 02:37:02,970
we'll do it.

4648
02:37:02,970 --> 02:37:04,866
I'll make my motion in a moment.

4649
02:37:04,866 --> 02:37:09,660
But I would ask in the future,

4650
02:37:10,605 --> 02:37:12,390
it really doesn't help the

4651
02:37:12,390 --> 02:37:14,609
booing and the screaming and

4652
02:37:14,609 --> 02:37:14,843
from your seats -- it's not

4653
02:37:14,843 --> 02:37:15,877
helpful

4654
02:37:15,877 --> 02:37:17,877
it's not helpful.

4655
02:37:17,913 --> 02:37:19,581
If you want to express your

4656
02:37:19,581 --> 02:37:21,383
support and your excitement, do

4657
02:37:21,383 --> 02:37:23,585
it in an appropriate way.

4658
02:37:23,585 --> 02:37:25,860
Screaming from your chairs is

4659
02:37:25,860 --> 02:37:27,486
not an appropriate way.

4660
02:37:27,756 --> 02:37:29,756
So please.

4661
02:37:31,559 --> 02:37:34,395
In the future, you know, just

4662
02:37:34,395 --> 02:37:38,595
hold it or call somebody on the

4663
02:37:38,999 --> 02:37:40,769
phone outside.

4664
02:37:40,769 --> 02:37:42,804
Or go vent somewhere else, just

4665
02:37:42,804 --> 02:37:43,838
not from your seats.

4666
02:37:43,838 --> 02:37:45,838
Okay.

4667
02:37:47,542 --> 02:37:48,143
And with that, I would make a

4668
02:37:48,143 --> 02:37:50,143
motion.

4669
02:37:51,947 --> 02:37:52,247
>> Mayor: do we have a second?

4670
02:37:52,247 --> 02:37:54,247
>> second.

4671
02:37:59,521 --> 02:37:59,721
>> Mayor: all in favor.

4672
02:37:59,721 --> 02:38:01,721
[Ayes]

4673
02:38:02,591 --> 02:38:05,861
>> and that's how we follow the

4674
02:38:05,861 --> 02:38:07,729
rules.

4675
02:38:07,729 --> 02:38:08,130
[Applause]

4676
02:38:08,130 --> 02:38:09,565
>> Mayor: okay.

4677
02:38:09,565 --> 02:38:11,965
We're on discussion items.

4678
02:38:12,534 --> 02:38:14,102
>> no, mayor, we have the three

4679
02:38:14,102 --> 02:38:14,803
add-on items.

4680
02:38:14,803 --> 02:38:16,338
>> Mayor: citizens forum.

4681
02:38:16,338 --> 02:38:17,773
>> no, we have the three

4682
02:38:17,773 --> 02:38:19,773
add-ons.

4683
02:38:21,430 --> 02:38:22,177
>> yes.

4684
02:38:22,177 --> 02:38:24,177
>> 10h.

4685
02:38:25,981 --> 02:38:27,981
10h, the add-on.

4686
02:38:28,851 --> 02:38:29,885
>> Mayor: oh, 10h.

4687
02:38:29,885 --> 02:38:31,200
>> 10h is a resolution approving

4688
02:38:31,200 --> 02:38:33,154
a third amendment to the

4689
02:38:33,154 --> 02:38:35,554
agreement with granicus to

4690
02:38:36,258 --> 02:38:38,258
provide website redesign

4691
02:38:38,394 --> 02:38:39,610
services, data management and

4692
02:38:39,610 --> 02:38:41,610
webcasting services.

4693
02:38:43,165 --> 02:38:44,999
I'll start this off, mayor, as

4694
02:38:44,999 --> 02:38:45,467
it's the intermediate manager

4695
02:38:45,467 --> 02:38:47,467
reporting.

4696
02:38:47,469 --> 02:38:50,539
Granicus is the company that we

4697
02:38:50,539 --> 02:38:54,139
use to manage our agenda and

4698
02:38:54,610 --> 02:38:56,212
publishing it on the website.

4699
02:38:56,212 --> 02:38:59,212
>> could you just wait like 30

4700
02:39:01,516 --> 02:39:03,516
seconds, please?

4701
02:39:28,440 --> 02:39:30,440
[Inaudible]

4702
02:39:55,137 --> 02:39:56,472
>> thank you.

4703
02:39:56,472 --> 02:39:58,741
>> okay, I think we're good.

4704
02:39:58,741 --> 02:39:59,800
Please, thank you.

4705
02:39:59,800 --> 02:40:01,800
>> okay.

4706
02:40:01,811 --> 02:40:05,280
So granicus is the provider that

4707
02:40:05,280 --> 02:40:09,480
we use to manage our agendas and

4708
02:40:09,585 --> 02:40:09,819
publish them on the city's

4709
02:40:09,819 --> 02:40:11,254
website.

4710
02:40:11,254 --> 02:40:14,124
So in light of the fact that we

4711
02:40:14,124 --> 02:40:15,357
use them already for numerous

4712
02:40:15,357 --> 02:40:17,757
services, the meeting department

4713
02:40:19,280 --> 02:40:20,463
decided to also contract them

4714
02:40:20,463 --> 02:40:22,863
for redesigning the website.

4715
02:40:22,966 --> 02:40:24,167
And I'll turn that over to leah

4716
02:40:24,167 --> 02:40:25,301
so she can mention it.

4717
02:40:25,301 --> 02:40:27,350
>> honorable mayor, vice mayor

4718
02:40:27,350 --> 02:40:29,205
and commission, we wish to

4719
02:40:29,205 --> 02:40:30,773
partner with granicus to build a

4720
02:40:30,773 --> 02:40:32,773
brand-new user-friendly secure

4721
02:40:33,209 --> 02:40:33,710
A.D.A. Compliant and modern

4722
02:40:33,710 --> 02:40:35,145
website.

4723
02:40:35,145 --> 02:40:37,130
After much research and demos

4724
02:40:37,130 --> 02:40:38,347
with other vendors, we found

4725
02:40:38,347 --> 02:40:41,170
granicus to be the most suitable

4726
02:40:41,170 --> 02:40:42,151
for our needs and aleading

4727
02:40:42,151 --> 02:40:42,685
provider in the government

4728
02:40:42,685 --> 02:40:44,554
sector.

4729
02:40:44,554 --> 02:40:46,256
We will be piggybacking the ncpa

4730
02:40:46,256 --> 02:40:47,657
which is the national

4731
02:40:47,657 --> 02:40:49,657
cooperative purchasing alliance

4732
02:40:51,494 --> 02:40:53,363
contract and also peyton owen is

4733
02:40:53,363 --> 02:40:55,763
the representative from granicus

4734
02:40:59,438 --> 02:41:00,637
and is here tonight in case you

4735
02:41:00,637 --> 02:41:02,272
have any questions.

4736
02:41:02,272 --> 02:41:03,773
>> well then, if I could just

4737
02:41:03,773 --> 02:41:04,541
say one thing, congratulations

4738
02:41:04,541 --> 02:41:06,541
to leah.

4739
02:41:06,543 --> 02:41:07,244
She's no longer the interim

4740
02:41:07,244 --> 02:41:09,780
media manager.

4741
02:41:09,780 --> 02:41:11,478
As of million dollars,

4742
02:41:12,249 --> 02:41:14,649
monday, she'll be our

4743
02:41:15,285 --> 02:41:17,285
media manager.

4744
02:41:20,657 --> 02:41:21,525
[Applause]

4745
02:41:21,525 --> 02:41:23,525
>> a motion.

4746
02:41:23,660 --> 02:41:25,295
>> motion to approve.

4747
02:41:25,295 --> 02:41:26,229
>> Mayor: do I have a motion?

4748
02:41:26,229 --> 02:41:27,164
>> so moved.

4749
02:41:27,164 --> 02:41:27,464
>> Mayor: second.

4750
02:41:27,464 --> 02:41:28,932
>> second.

4751
02:41:28,932 --> 02:41:29,198
>> Mayor: all in favor.

4752
02:41:29,198 --> 02:41:29,566
[Ayes]

4753
02:41:29,566 --> 02:41:30,667
>> thank you.

4754
02:41:30,667 --> 02:41:33,300
>> Mayor: thank you, good night.

4755
02:41:33,300 --> 02:41:34,837
>> I'd like to see some mocks of

4756
02:41:34,837 --> 02:41:35,672
the new website eventually.

4757
02:41:35,672 --> 02:41:37,140
That will be cool.

4758
02:41:37,140 --> 02:41:37,741
I'm waiting.

4759
02:41:37,741 --> 02:41:39,741
>> you bet.

4760
02:41:39,810 --> 02:41:41,645
So excited, by the way, to be

4761
02:41:41,645 --> 02:41:44,448
able to come to this city and

4762
02:41:44,448 --> 02:41:44,948
see how beautiful it is and the

4763
02:41:44,948 --> 02:41:45,782
residents.

4764
02:41:45,782 --> 02:41:48,151
We're super excited to be able

4765
02:41:48,151 --> 02:41:49,860
to work with you guys on this

4766
02:41:49,860 --> 02:41:51,860
new project.

4767
02:41:51,520 --> 02:41:53,957
Part of our project experience

4768
02:41:53,957 --> 02:41:55,125
will be sharing a bunch of

4769
02:41:55,125 --> 02:41:57,600
different design faces, getting

4770
02:41:57,600 --> 02:41:58,829
the feedback from both the

4771
02:41:58,829 --> 02:42:00,530
public and the staff members on

4772
02:42:00,530 --> 02:42:01,899
how you want to create that

4773
02:42:01,899 --> 02:42:02,733
digital curb appeal.

4774
02:42:02,733 --> 02:42:04,340
>> all right, thank you.

4775
02:42:04,340 --> 02:42:06,340
>> thank you.

4776
02:42:10,607 --> 02:42:12,607
[Applause]

4777
02:42:12,743 --> 02:42:14,211
>> Mayor: item 10j.

4778
02:42:14,211 --> 02:42:15,846
>> 10I, mayor, authorizing the

4779
02:42:15,846 --> 02:42:17,181
city manager or designee to

4780
02:42:17,181 --> 02:42:19,160
purchase necessary janitorial

4781
02:42:19,160 --> 02:42:20,917
and sanitation supplies and

4782
02:42:20,917 --> 02:42:23,917
equipment from imperial dade for

4783
02:42:25,489 --> 02:42:26,790
fiscal year 2022-2023.

4784
02:42:26,790 --> 02:42:29,190
>> good evening, mayor, vice

4785
02:42:30,794 --> 02:42:31,695
mayor and commissioners.

4786
02:42:31,695 --> 02:42:33,264
The public works department is

4787
02:42:33,264 --> 02:42:34,798
seeking for the approval of a

4788
02:42:34,798 --> 02:42:37,198
blanket purchase order with

4789
02:42:39,904 --> 02:42:41,572
imperial dade for the necessary

4790
02:42:41,572 --> 02:42:42,839
janitorial, sanitation supplies,

4791
02:42:42,839 --> 02:42:45,239
equipment and related services

4792
02:42:46,910 --> 02:42:49,112
for this fiscal year '22-23 in

4793
02:42:49,112 --> 02:42:52,112
an amount not to exceed

4794
02:42:55,219 --> 02:42:57,219
$100,000.

4795
02:42:58,489 --> 02:43:00,324
>> Mayor: do we have comments?

4796
02:43:00,324 --> 02:43:00,624
We thank you.

4797
02:43:00,624 --> 02:43:01,792
>> motion.

4798
02:43:01,792 --> 02:43:03,227
>> Mayor: motion, so moved,

4799
02:43:03,227 --> 02:43:03,527
anyone.

4800
02:43:03,527 --> 02:43:05,527
>> second.

4801
02:43:05,930 --> 02:43:06,464
>> Mayor: who's got the first?

4802
02:43:06,464 --> 02:43:08,265
>> vice mayor viscarra.

4803
02:43:08,265 --> 02:43:10,501
>> I won, I won.

4804
02:43:10,501 --> 02:43:10,735
>> Mayor: okay.

4805
02:43:10,735 --> 02:43:12,735
Second?

4806
02:43:12,903 --> 02:43:13,104
All in favor.

4807
02:43:13,104 --> 02:43:14,438
[Ayes]

4808
02:43:14,438 --> 02:43:16,438
>> thank you.

4809
02:43:17,508 --> 02:43:19,142
>> Mayor: it's getting late.

4810
02:43:19,142 --> 02:43:20,811
Item 10j.

4811
02:43:20,811 --> 02:43:21,946
>> 10j is a resolution urging

4812
02:43:21,946 --> 02:43:24,346
members of the florida

4813
02:43:24,782 --> 02:43:26,150
legislature to support the 2023

4814
02:43:26,150 --> 02:43:27,351
florida league of cities

4815
02:43:27,351 --> 02:43:29,860
legislative platform.

4816
02:43:29,860 --> 02:43:31,860
>> yeah.

4817
02:43:33,491 --> 02:43:33,658
So this is, you know, nothing

4818
02:43:33,658 --> 02:43:35,658
new.

4819
02:43:36,194 --> 02:43:37,929
In fact, commissioner lama, I

4820
02:43:37,929 --> 02:43:39,630
don't know if you want to

4821
02:43:39,630 --> 02:43:41,198
co-sponsor this or not given you

4822
02:43:41,198 --> 02:43:42,867
are the flc rep.

4823
02:43:42,867 --> 02:43:44,902
I jumped on it when it came

4824
02:43:44,902 --> 02:43:45,436
through my email to make it an

4825
02:43:45,436 --> 02:43:47,171
add-on.

4826
02:43:47,171 --> 02:43:50,771
Basically, this is just to give

4827
02:43:50,775 --> 02:43:51,676
us an outline provided by the

4828
02:43:51,676 --> 02:43:52,710
florida league of cities in

4829
02:43:52,710 --> 02:43:56,310
terms of the kinds of things

4830
02:43:56,714 --> 02:43:58,983
that we are going to support

4831
02:43:58,983 --> 02:44:01,190
legislatively this includes -- a

4832
02:44:01,190 --> 02:44:04,622
lot of it is based around home

4833
02:44:04,622 --> 02:44:06,658
rule which is cities and

4834
02:44:06,658 --> 02:44:08,920
legislation that supports us

4835
02:44:08,920 --> 02:44:09,727
keeping our power.

4836
02:44:09,727 --> 02:44:11,161
Three of the points are like

4837
02:44:11,161 --> 02:44:13,464
around different aspects of

4838
02:44:13,464 --> 02:44:14,465
short-term rentals, workforce

4839
02:44:14,465 --> 02:44:16,600
housing is one of the things

4840
02:44:16,600 --> 02:44:19,600
which we heard in the

4841
02:44:19,703 --> 02:44:19,938
presentation today about the

4842
02:44:19,938 --> 02:44:21,938
condos.

4843
02:44:22,140 --> 02:44:23,740
What else?

4844
02:44:23,740 --> 02:44:24,409
Traditional and alternative

4845
02:44:24,409 --> 02:44:26,409
modes of transportation.

4846
02:44:26,977 --> 02:44:28,913
But basically, it's all the

4847
02:44:28,913 --> 02:44:30,248
preservation of municipal

4848
02:44:30,248 --> 02:44:32,483
authority and supporting that

4849
02:44:32,483 --> 02:44:33,485
type of legislation.

4850
02:44:33,485 --> 02:44:34,853
So I don't know, commissioner

4851
02:44:34,853 --> 02:44:35,453
lama, if you wanted to add to

4852
02:44:35,453 --> 02:44:35,719
that.

4853
02:44:35,719 --> 02:44:37,719
>> yeah.

4854
02:44:38,230 --> 02:44:39,891
Thank you very much for inviting

4855
02:44:39,891 --> 02:44:40,191
me to be a co-sponsor.

4856
02:44:40,191 --> 02:44:41,260
>> sure.

4857
02:44:41,260 --> 02:44:42,600
>> this is great.

4858
02:44:42,600 --> 02:44:44,950
Obviously, we know the

4859
02:44:44,950 --> 02:44:46,495
importance of, you know,

4860
02:44:47,732 --> 02:44:49,334
advocating, you know, with the

4861
02:44:49,334 --> 02:44:50,869
miami-dade county league of

4862
02:44:50,869 --> 02:44:51,803
cities and at the state level

4863
02:44:51,803 --> 02:44:52,137
with the florida league of

4864
02:44:52,137 --> 02:44:53,204
cities.

4865
02:44:53,204 --> 02:44:56,141
And there are many issues that,

4866
02:44:56,141 --> 02:44:58,243
you know, we keep -- we need to

4867
02:44:58,243 --> 02:45:00,512
keep advocating, protecting home

4868
02:45:00,512 --> 02:45:01,212
rule and other issues that

4869
02:45:01,212 --> 02:45:03,212
affect municipalities.

4870
02:45:04,150 --> 02:45:05,851
So yeah, this is great, great

4871
02:45:05,851 --> 02:45:07,851
idea.

4872
02:45:08,519 --> 02:45:11,519
And yeah, kudos for this.

4873
02:45:12,123 --> 02:45:12,524
>> okay, awesome.

4874
02:45:12,524 --> 02:45:12,958
>> Mayor: okay.

4875
02:45:12,958 --> 02:45:14,920
>> anything else?

4876
02:45:14,920 --> 02:45:15,127
>> Mayor: is there a motion?

4877
02:45:15,127 --> 02:45:16,280
>> so moved.

4878
02:45:16,280 --> 02:45:16,328
>> Mayor: second?

4879
02:45:16,328 --> 02:45:18,328
>> second.

4880
02:45:19,397 --> 02:45:19,831
>> Mayor: all in favor.

4881
02:45:19,831 --> 02:45:21,165
[Ayes]

4882
02:45:21,165 --> 02:45:23,165
Okay.

4883
02:45:24,202 --> 02:45:25,103
We're on to discussion.

4884
02:45:25,103 --> 02:45:27,103
>> yeah.

4885
02:45:28,940 --> 02:45:31,340
>> Mayor: citizens forum, okay.

4886
02:45:31,710 --> 02:45:32,544
>> any speakers?

4887
02:45:32,544 --> 02:45:34,544
[Inaudible]

4888
02:45:37,149 --> 02:45:40,149
>> Mayor: is somebody here from

4889
02:45:41,319 --> 02:45:43,319
nina nikoloff.

4890
02:45:46,491 --> 02:45:47,226
>> I am, I am.

4891
02:45:47,226 --> 02:45:49,226
>> hello.

4892
02:45:49,494 --> 02:45:51,494
>> hello, good evening.

4893
02:45:51,830 --> 02:45:52,331
It's almost night.

4894
02:45:52,331 --> 02:45:54,331
Yes.

4895
02:45:57,569 --> 02:45:59,238
And my name is nina nikoloff.

4896
02:45:59,238 --> 02:45:59,471
>> I'm sorry, where do you live,

4897
02:45:59,471 --> 02:46:00,773
please?

4898
02:46:00,773 --> 02:46:01,406
Your address.

4899
02:46:01,406 --> 02:46:02,307
>> Mayor: name and address for

4900
02:46:02,307 --> 02:46:03,142
the record.

4901
02:46:03,142 --> 02:46:05,142
>> okay.

4902
02:46:11,350 --> 02:46:12,251
My address is 251 74th street

4903
02:46:12,251 --> 02:46:14,651
unit 1208 sunny isles beach.

4904
02:46:15,154 --> 02:46:18,754
Yes, I arrived to this apartment

4905
02:46:21,600 --> 02:46:22,828
in JUNE 2027.

4906
02:46:22,828 --> 02:46:25,497
[Inaudible] Who is also the

4907
02:46:25,497 --> 02:46:27,897
PRESIDENT Of the association.

4908
02:46:29,268 --> 02:46:31,770
Immediately, I was notified of

4909
02:46:31,770 --> 02:46:35,370
the need to pay a special

4910
02:46:35,774 --> 02:46:36,475
assessment in the amount of

4911
02:46:36,475 --> 02:46:38,475
almost 30,000.

4912
02:46:43,449 --> 02:46:46,619
And in our balance, it was so

4913
02:46:46,619 --> 02:46:49,619
bad numbers about they showed

4914
02:46:53,225 --> 02:46:54,159
losses cost 400,000, yes, and it

4915
02:46:54,159 --> 02:46:56,559
is many, many understandable

4916
02:46:58,631 --> 02:46:59,765
number when I will need to pay,

4917
02:46:59,765 --> 02:47:02,134
yet in this situation.

4918
02:47:02,134 --> 02:47:04,534
In AUGUST, the PRESIDENT

4919
02:47:04,670 --> 02:47:07,700
Announced that the building

4920
02:47:09,475 --> 02:47:11,144
could not pass the 50-year

4921
02:47:11,144 --> 02:47:11,843
certification and was in

4922
02:47:11,843 --> 02:47:13,843
disrepair.

4923
02:47:16,148 --> 02:47:16,649
I bought very, very expensive

4924
02:47:16,649 --> 02:47:18,649
apartment.

4925
02:47:20,786 --> 02:47:21,870
I need to pay a special

4926
02:47:21,870 --> 02:47:23,870
assessment.

4927
02:47:24,190 --> 02:47:26,225
I need to pay many, many money

4928
02:47:26,225 --> 02:47:28,625
for losses for balance.

4929
02:47:32,164 --> 02:47:35,535
And I bought an apartment in

4930
02:47:35,535 --> 02:47:37,535
emergency situation --

4931
02:47:38,905 --> 02:47:40,905
emergency, yes.

4932
02:47:41,908 --> 02:47:45,178
And in violence of our bylaws,

4933
02:47:45,178 --> 02:47:47,679
board members do not report at

4934
02:47:47,679 --> 02:47:48,347
meeting after approving

4935
02:47:48,347 --> 02:47:50,347
13 million contribution.

4936
02:47:51,517 --> 02:47:55,117
The board does not show monthly

4937
02:47:55,121 --> 02:47:58,121
report even on the debit.

4938
02:48:00,759 --> 02:48:01,861
From SEPTEMBER I asked them

4939
02:48:01,861 --> 02:48:04,261
please report to us.

4940
02:48:08,340 --> 02:48:10,370
They did not report.

4941
02:48:10,370 --> 02:48:11,638
Only it was [Inaudible].

4942
02:48:11,638 --> 02:48:15,238
At 8 DECEMBER it was the meeting

4943
02:48:15,808 --> 02:48:19,112
and on after the meeting could

4944
02:48:19,112 --> 02:48:21,781
they show the website report

4945
02:48:21,781 --> 02:48:22,548
from AUGUST, from SEPTEMBER and

4946
02:48:22,548 --> 02:48:24,548
now more.

4947
02:48:26,919 --> 02:48:30,519
And we got so, so terrible.

4948
02:48:31,523 --> 02:48:31,724
They showed only our -- I am

4949
02:48:31,724 --> 02:48:33,724
sorry.

4950
02:48:35,328 --> 02:48:38,328
I am so worried, yes.

4951
02:48:40,967 --> 02:48:43,303
to pay so many for only one

4952
02:48:43,303 --> 02:48:46,303
month, our debt was for

4953
02:48:46,806 --> 02:48:47,541
1 million more, for 1 million

4954
02:48:47,541 --> 02:48:49,541
more.

4955
02:48:50,544 --> 02:48:50,744
And this is --

4956
02:48:50,744 --> 02:48:51,378
[Tone]

4957
02:48:51,378 --> 02:48:52,212
I am sorry.

4958
02:48:52,212 --> 02:48:53,546
I am sorry.

4959
02:48:53,546 --> 02:48:56,546
I am sorry, thank you.

4960
02:48:58,251 --> 02:48:59,953
And I only work, this is the

4961
02:48:59,953 --> 02:49:01,354
result of working.

4962
02:49:01,354 --> 02:49:02,155
I am sorry.

4963
02:49:02,155 --> 02:49:04,555
But this is --

4964
02:49:09,361 --> 02:49:09,663
>> excuse me

4965
02:49:09,663 --> 02:49:11,663
[Inaudible]

4966
02:49:14,501 --> 02:49:17,360
>> he was for the person of the

4967
02:49:17,360 --> 02:49:20,607
sunny isles beach, how it can

4968
02:49:20,607 --> 02:49:22,607
be.

4969
02:49:26,113 --> 02:49:29,713
Everybody knew it is really --

4970
02:49:29,917 --> 02:49:30,517
building is understandable

4971
02:49:30,517 --> 02:49:31,652
for -- [Inaudible]

4972
02:49:31,652 --> 02:49:33,652
>> Mayor: thank you.

4973
02:49:34,721 --> 02:49:35,220
>> it is emergency.

4974
02:49:35,220 --> 02:49:37,220
Okay.

4975
02:49:38,125 --> 02:49:41,125
And now however, the main

4976
02:49:41,795 --> 02:49:45,199
problem is the threat that more

4977
02:49:45,199 --> 02:49:48,199
than 400 families live in the

4978
02:49:50,203 --> 02:49:50,504
building that is in this

4979
02:49:50,504 --> 02:49:52,473
disrepair.

4980
02:49:52,473 --> 02:49:55,542
They MAY lost their home and

4981
02:49:55,542 --> 02:49:58,542
they stay on the street.

4982
02:50:01,148 --> 02:50:04,251
The complaint filed with dpr was

4983
02:50:04,251 --> 02:50:06,651
accepted for consideration only

4984
02:50:07,154 --> 02:50:08,121
for fourth time and now it is in

4985
02:50:08,121 --> 02:50:09,890
a year if you

4986
02:50:09,890 --> 02:50:11,324
if you cannot get letter

4987
02:50:11,324 --> 02:50:13,324
answer from them.

4988
02:50:17,298 --> 02:50:19,698
However, the most understandable

4989
02:50:28,342 --> 02:50:31,342
fact for us is that

4990
02:50:31,712 --> 02:50:32,513
MR. Pissaloff was the citizen of

4991
02:50:32,513 --> 02:50:33,214
the city hall.

4992
02:50:33,214 --> 02:50:33,781
>> Mayor: thank you so much for

4993
02:50:33,781 --> 02:50:35,116
your comments.

4994
02:50:35,116 --> 02:50:36,160
>> hi, I'd just like to ask

4995
02:50:36,160 --> 02:50:37,385
you -- I'm sorry.

4996
02:50:37,385 --> 02:50:39,385
Excuse me.

4997
02:50:39,854 --> 02:50:40,955
I'd just like -- was the new

4998
02:50:40,955 --> 02:50:42,423
mayor aware that you were going

4999
02:50:42,423 --> 02:50:44,423
to speak tonight?

5000
02:50:44,692 --> 02:50:46,327
Because she should be here to

5001
02:50:46,327 --> 02:50:48,327
hear your complaint.

5002
02:50:49,196 --> 02:50:50,531
I'm surprised she left.

5003
02:50:50,531 --> 02:50:50,831
>> no.

5004
02:50:50,831 --> 02:50:51,765
Ma'am --

5005
02:50:51,765 --> 02:50:52,900
>> I arrived here.

5006
02:50:52,900 --> 02:50:54,900
Can I talk?

5007
02:50:54,935 --> 02:50:55,569
>> ma'am, I'll tell you one

5008
02:50:55,569 --> 02:50:57,569
thing.

5009
02:50:57,838 --> 02:50:58,639
So we, as a city, don't have

5010
02:50:58,639 --> 02:51:01,639
jurisdiction over some of the

5011
02:51:01,641 --> 02:51:03,878
items you said, like, you know,

5012
02:51:03,878 --> 02:51:05,213
assessments and some issues with

5013
02:51:05,213 --> 02:51:06,880
your association and the

5014
02:51:06,880 --> 02:51:08,382
association PRESIDENT.

5015
02:51:08,382 --> 02:51:11,982
You mentioned that you filed a

5016
02:51:12,530 --> 02:51:14,453
complaint against the wpr.

5017
02:51:15,289 --> 02:51:18,289
Do you know spencer hennings?

5018
02:51:20,995 --> 02:51:22,330
He's our rep so he's the

5019
02:51:22,330 --> 02:51:22,630
ombudsman

5020
02:51:22,630 --> 02:51:23,998
[Inaudible]

5021
02:51:23,998 --> 02:51:26,398
>> Mayor: we are aware.

5022
02:51:27,535 --> 02:51:30,535
There is a personal dispute

5023
02:51:30,538 --> 02:51:32,730
because the winston terrace 100

5024
02:51:32,730 --> 02:51:33,808
leveraged a large special

5025
02:51:33,808 --> 02:51:35,710
assessment for structural and

5026
02:51:35,710 --> 02:51:37,945
other repairs so there's a group

5027
02:51:37,945 --> 02:51:39,214
of owners in the winston 100 who

5028
02:51:39,214 --> 02:51:40,748
are very upset about a special

5029
02:51:40,748 --> 02:51:43,718
assessment and wants to use this

5030
02:51:43,718 --> 02:51:45,353
forum as an opportunity to

5031
02:51:45,353 --> 02:51:46,454
discuss it including the

5032
02:51:46,454 --> 02:51:47,422
PRESIDENT.

5033
02:51:47,422 --> 02:51:49,190
>> okay, unfortunately, we don't

5034
02:51:49,190 --> 02:51:51,493
have jurisdiction on the

5035
02:51:51,493 --> 02:51:52,326
assessments they can levy.

5036
02:51:52,326 --> 02:51:54,995
>> Mayor: we are aware of the

5037
02:51:54,995 --> 02:51:56,231
complaint and we are aware of

5038
02:51:56,231 --> 02:51:58,320
the special assessment and we

5039
02:51:58,320 --> 02:51:59,400
are aware of the circumstances.

5040
02:51:59,400 --> 02:52:02,270
So I know there are a couple of

5041
02:52:02,270 --> 02:52:05,730
other people that would like to

5042
02:52:05,730 --> 02:52:06,307
speak, including michael kueko

5043
02:52:06,307 --> 02:52:07,241
which seems to be the leader of

5044
02:52:07,241 --> 02:52:08,877
this effort.

5045
02:52:08,877 --> 02:52:10,712
So perhaps he wants to use his

5046
02:52:10,712 --> 02:52:13,112
three minutes to discusses

5047
02:52:13,181 --> 02:52:15,581
special assessment as well.

5048
02:52:15,850 --> 02:52:18,620
But we are well aware of this.

5049
02:52:18,620 --> 02:52:20,689
Again, I would like to echo

5050
02:52:20,689 --> 02:52:22,689
commissioner lama's sentiment

5051
02:52:23,457 --> 02:52:25,894
which is every building in

5052
02:52:25,894 --> 02:52:27,620
winston towers right now and

5053
02:52:27,620 --> 02:52:29,462
every building throughout the

5054
02:52:31,365 --> 02:52:32,667
city is not only contemplating a

5055
02:52:32,667 --> 02:52:34,102
multi-million dollar special

5056
02:52:34,102 --> 02:52:36,438
assessment, but is in the middle

5057
02:52:36,438 --> 02:52:38,806
of it or will have one due to

5058
02:52:38,806 --> 02:52:40,806
not only recertification

5059
02:52:44,146 --> 02:52:45,814
requirements, but also four-year

5060
02:52:45,814 --> 02:52:46,314
50 recertification and the new

5061
02:52:46,314 --> 02:52:47,449
milestone inspection

5062
02:52:47,449 --> 02:52:49,384
requirements that are mandated

5063
02:52:49,384 --> 02:52:52,384
by 4d, the state law.

5064
02:52:52,654 --> 02:52:55,757
So we are -- even though I know

5065
02:52:55,757 --> 02:52:57,726
it's concerning for the winston

5066
02:52:57,726 --> 02:52:58,627
towers 100, please bear in mind

5067
02:52:58,627 --> 02:53:01,270
that there are buildings

5068
02:53:01,530 --> 02:53:02,163
throughout this city that

5069
02:53:02,163 --> 02:53:03,265
people -- in fact, there's

5070
02:53:03,265 --> 02:53:06,680
another building in this city

5071
02:53:06,680 --> 02:53:08,937
where each unit owner is now

5072
02:53:08,937 --> 02:53:11,337
paying 70,000 or $80,000 a unit,

5073
02:53:11,606 --> 02:53:12,600
just per unit for one special

5074
02:53:12,600 --> 02:53:13,241
assessment.

5075
02:53:13,241 --> 02:53:15,310
So while it MAY not be

5076
02:53:15,310 --> 02:53:16,745
comforting to you, you're not

5077
02:53:16,745 --> 02:53:18,881
alone because a lot of buildings

5078
02:53:18,881 --> 02:53:19,314
are facing this very issue of a

5079
02:53:19,314 --> 02:53:21,314
special assessment.

5080
02:53:21,350 --> 02:53:21,883
>> I did not talk about our

5081
02:53:21,883 --> 02:53:23,883
assessment.

5082
02:53:27,189 --> 02:53:31,389
I only talked about we are upset

5083
02:53:31,894 --> 02:53:35,494
about that people who make so

5084
02:53:35,531 --> 02:53:39,131
bad situation for more than for

5085
02:53:39,935 --> 02:53:41,170
1,000 people.

5086
02:53:41,170 --> 02:53:43,105
And they were [Inaudible]

5087
02:53:43,105 --> 02:53:44,339
>> Mayor: I understand.

5088
02:53:44,339 --> 02:53:45,441
Okay.

5089
02:53:45,441 --> 02:53:47,509
>> and, of course, of course,

5090
02:53:47,509 --> 02:53:49,278
this is the city.

5091
02:53:49,278 --> 02:53:51,678
They destroyed our building.

5092
02:53:55,517 --> 02:53:57,253
And he got this very, very --

5093
02:53:57,253 --> 02:53:58,320
how this can be?

5094
02:53:58,320 --> 02:53:58,587
>> Mayor: I appreciate your

5095
02:53:58,587 --> 02:54:00,587
comments.

5096
02:54:01,690 --> 02:54:03,250
But the idea that he destroyed

5097
02:54:03,250 --> 02:54:05,594
the building I think is -- I'm

5098
02:54:05,594 --> 02:54:08,300
not sure that -- I'm not sure

5099
02:54:08,300 --> 02:54:09,898
that that's something that we

5100
02:54:09,898 --> 02:54:13,350
can really opine on or really,

5101
02:54:13,350 --> 02:54:13,269
you know, have a discussion

5102
02:54:13,269 --> 02:54:15,269
about.

5103
02:54:17,440 --> 02:54:18,874
But I thank you for your

5104
02:54:18,874 --> 02:54:20,874
comments.

5105
02:54:20,976 --> 02:54:22,178
Michael kuekovich, would you

5106
02:54:22,178 --> 02:54:24,178
like to speak?

5107
02:54:30,850 --> 02:54:30,786
You have three minutes.

5108
02:54:30,786 --> 02:54:31,387
>> hello, michael.

5109
02:54:31,387 --> 02:54:33,387
>> hi, guys.

5110
02:54:33,556 --> 02:54:34,757
Thank you very much for letting

5111
02:54:34,757 --> 02:54:35,858
me talking to you.

5112
02:54:35,858 --> 02:54:37,858
Good evening.

5113
02:54:45,340 --> 02:54:47,770
My name is michael kuekovich in

5114
02:54:47,770 --> 02:54:47,970
250 74th street, sunny isles

5115
02:54:47,970 --> 02:54:49,970
beach.

5116
02:54:51,874 --> 02:54:52,407
I am resident of this building

5117
02:54:52,407 --> 02:54:54,407
from 2012.

5118
02:54:54,443 --> 02:54:56,312
And since now the situation in

5119
02:54:56,312 --> 02:54:57,813
this building has gotten worsen

5120
02:54:57,813 --> 02:54:59,813
and worsen.

5121
02:55:01,117 --> 02:55:04,717
For the last three years, the

5122
02:55:05,254 --> 02:55:06,656
association collected four

5123
02:55:06,656 --> 02:55:08,656
special assessment $14 million.

5124
02:55:09,125 --> 02:55:11,525
You know this, okay.

5125
02:55:14,596 --> 02:55:17,596
They start asking for 12 years

5126
02:55:18,340 --> 02:55:20,690
that he should provide financial

5127
02:55:20,690 --> 02:55:21,300
transparency of all the work in

5128
02:55:21,300 --> 02:55:22,238
the building.

5129
02:55:22,238 --> 02:55:24,238
No answer.

5130
02:55:25,207 --> 02:55:29,407
We sent a letter to the office

5131
02:55:33,182 --> 02:55:33,583
in DECEMBER 2021 with 51 other

5132
02:55:33,583 --> 02:55:35,583
owners.

5133
02:55:35,852 --> 02:55:38,421
This same creation after we sent

5134
02:55:38,421 --> 02:55:40,821
this letter to dppr.

5135
02:55:41,123 --> 02:55:44,123
All these people, taxpayers for

5136
02:55:49,364 --> 02:55:50,566
sunny isles beach.

5137
02:55:50,566 --> 02:55:54,166
MR. Pissolov sued me and two

5138
02:55:55,380 --> 02:55:56,539
more people for defamation for

5139
02:55:56,539 --> 02:55:56,840
giving an answer and

5140
02:55:56,840 --> 02:55:58,840
explanation.

5141
02:56:01,643 --> 02:56:04,643
I have been contacted to

5142
02:56:06,349 --> 02:56:08,218
MR. Joseph and dana goldman.

5143
02:56:08,218 --> 02:56:10,553
I am suffering emotional and

5144
02:56:10,553 --> 02:56:12,553
financial for 11 months.

5145
02:56:13,556 --> 02:56:15,956
The association wasting money

5146
02:56:18,127 --> 02:56:18,962
for our building [Inaudible] For

5147
02:56:18,962 --> 02:56:21,362
me and the neighbors.

5148
02:56:22,165 --> 02:56:23,400
And they make paying emotional

5149
02:56:23,400 --> 02:56:26,400
distress in addition to other

5150
02:56:28,505 --> 02:56:28,905
people who live in the winston

5151
02:56:28,905 --> 02:56:30,905
towers.

5152
02:56:35,278 --> 02:56:35,579
Our building is not --

5153
02:56:35,579 --> 02:56:37,579
[Inaudible].

5154
02:56:38,882 --> 02:56:41,818
And I said you have to know

5155
02:56:41,818 --> 02:56:42,952
everybody, why we coming to you

5156
02:56:42,952 --> 02:56:44,952
asking for help.

5157
02:56:49,191 --> 02:56:51,261
I am asking larisa svechin, new

5158
02:56:51,261 --> 02:56:52,229
elected mayor to help us stop

5159
02:56:52,229 --> 02:56:53,830
this nuance.

5160
02:56:53,830 --> 02:56:55,465
>> where is she?

5161
02:56:55,465 --> 02:56:56,199
Is she here?

5162
02:56:56,199 --> 02:56:58,199
>> okay.

5163
02:56:58,268 --> 02:56:59,569
I live give to her.

5164
02:56:59,569 --> 02:57:00,103
>> maybe she'll watch it on

5165
02:57:00,103 --> 02:57:00,403
television.

5166
02:57:00,403 --> 02:57:01,380
>> maybe.

5167
02:57:01,380 --> 02:57:04,380
>> Mayor: and how would you

5168
02:57:04,308 --> 02:57:07,110
expect her to help stop the

5169
02:57:07,110 --> 02:57:09,110
nonsense?

5170
02:57:09,313 --> 02:57:10,846
>> I don't know.

5171
02:57:10,846 --> 02:57:12,846
You probably know.

5172
02:57:13,917 --> 02:57:14,251
>> Mayor: you asked.

5173
02:57:14,251 --> 02:57:14,985
>> maybe --

5174
02:57:14,985 --> 02:57:16,850
>> Mayor: you have to help her

5175
02:57:16,850 --> 02:57:17,721
stop the nonsense.

5176
02:57:17,721 --> 02:57:18,210
What nonsense are you referring

5177
02:57:18,210 --> 02:57:20,210
to?

5178
02:57:21,324 --> 02:57:21,692
The lawsuit?

5179
02:57:21,692 --> 02:57:23,692
>> yes.

5180
02:57:24,940 --> 02:57:24,394
>> Mayor: how can she stop the

5181
02:57:24,394 --> 02:57:26,394
lawsuit?

5182
02:57:26,563 --> 02:57:30,163
>> well, you have to stop the

5183
02:57:31,367 --> 02:57:32,736
lawsuit to people, to neighbors

5184
02:57:32,736 --> 02:57:33,637
when you can put [Inaudible]

5185
02:57:33,637 --> 02:57:35,400
>> Mayor: you are asking her to

5186
02:57:35,400 --> 02:57:37,374
stop a lawsuit between you and

5187
02:57:37,374 --> 02:57:39,374
the association?

5188
02:57:40,100 --> 02:57:41,440
>> yes, because the association

5189
02:57:41,440 --> 02:57:43,444
is not only me.

5190
02:57:46,550 --> 02:57:46,850
It's a lot of people.

5191
02:57:46,850 --> 02:57:47,418
[Inaudible]

5192
02:57:47,418 --> 02:57:49,119
>> Mayor: wait a second.

5193
02:57:49,119 --> 02:57:50,955
Do you really think she can stop

5194
02:57:50,955 --> 02:57:53,955
the nonsense, that she'll stop

5195
02:57:54,258 --> 02:57:54,992
the lawsuit between you and the

5196
02:57:54,992 --> 02:57:56,427
association?

5197
02:57:56,427 --> 02:57:57,795
>> no, I not think this.

5198
02:57:57,795 --> 02:57:59,196
>> Mayor: you said I'm asking

5199
02:57:59,196 --> 02:58:01,265
her to stop the nonsense.

5200
02:58:01,265 --> 02:58:03,265
>> nonsense, of course.

5201
02:58:03,534 --> 02:58:03,834
we have to work with these

5202
02:58:03,834 --> 02:58:05,768
people.

5203
02:58:05,768 --> 02:58:08,639
Maybe we have to involve an

5204
02:58:08,639 --> 02:58:08,873
election, election is not

5205
02:58:08,873 --> 02:58:10,873
correct.

5206
02:58:11,942 --> 02:58:13,430
We have a lot of issues with the

5207
02:58:13,430 --> 02:58:15,313
election if we cannot change

5208
02:58:15,313 --> 02:58:15,846
this board.

5209
02:58:15,846 --> 02:58:16,113
>> michael.

5210
02:58:16,113 --> 02:58:18,113
>> yes.

5211
02:58:19,116 --> 02:58:20,751
>> you stated that I -- yes.

5212
02:58:20,751 --> 02:58:21,685
>> did not look to assist you.

5213
02:58:21,685 --> 02:58:23,685
Is that true?

5214
02:58:24,121 --> 02:58:27,825
Or did I try to help you to

5215
02:58:27,825 --> 02:58:29,825
mediate your situation?

5216
02:58:31,929 --> 02:58:32,229
>> I cannot tell you came to the

5217
02:58:32,229 --> 02:58:34,229
association.

5218
02:58:36,134 --> 02:58:36,534
You tried but you couldn't.

5219
02:58:36,534 --> 02:58:38,534
>> right.

5220
02:58:38,703 --> 02:58:39,704
>> she also tried but couldn't.

5221
02:58:39,704 --> 02:58:41,172
>> Mayor: how is larisa going to

5222
02:58:41,172 --> 02:58:43,341
do what the commissioner and

5223
02:58:43,341 --> 02:58:45,309
mayor couldn't do?

5224
02:58:45,309 --> 02:58:47,211
>> I don't know why you --

5225
02:58:47,211 --> 02:58:48,546
>> Mayor: you want her to stop

5226
02:58:48,546 --> 02:58:49,580
the nonsense.

5227
02:58:49,580 --> 02:58:51,580
>> it's the association.

5228
02:58:54,318 --> 02:58:54,652
It's you, jerry, norman and me.

5229
02:58:54,652 --> 02:58:56,652
>> correct.

5230
02:58:57,687 --> 02:59:01,920
>> and you lie in front of

5231
02:59:01,920 --> 02:59:01,292
[Inaudible] And you not stomp at

5232
02:59:01,292 --> 02:59:02,326
him.

5233
02:59:02,326 --> 02:59:05,797
>> Mayor: but the point is --

5234
02:59:05,797 --> 02:59:06,264
>> he never use a credit card.

5235
02:59:06,264 --> 02:59:07,865
>> Mayor: michael --

5236
02:59:07,865 --> 02:59:08,666
>> after I use it.

5237
02:59:08,666 --> 02:59:09,967
>> Mayor: a public official

5238
02:59:09,967 --> 02:59:11,202
cannot stop the nonsense.

5239
02:59:11,202 --> 02:59:13,400
This is a dispute between you

5240
02:59:13,400 --> 02:59:15,400
and the association.

5241
02:59:15,874 --> 02:59:16,507
So while it's great to use

5242
02:59:16,507 --> 02:59:17,842
the --

5243
02:59:17,842 --> 02:59:18,109
>> winston towers is a private

5244
02:59:18,109 --> 02:59:18,776
building.

5245
02:59:18,776 --> 02:59:20,645
>> Mayor: this is not something

5246
02:59:20,645 --> 02:59:22,747
that a public official can just

5247
02:59:22,747 --> 02:59:25,249
put some fairy dust over.

5248
02:59:25,249 --> 02:59:25,516
>> we can only intercede out of

5249
02:59:25,516 --> 02:59:27,418
courtesy.

5250
02:59:27,418 --> 02:59:28,853
>> Mayor: so I mean you're

5251
02:59:28,853 --> 02:59:30,487
welcome to ask anybody to stop

5252
02:59:30,487 --> 02:59:32,624
the nonsense, but in some ways

5253
02:59:32,624 --> 02:59:33,910
you have to -- this is a private

5254
02:59:33,910 --> 02:59:33,792
matter.

5255
02:59:33,792 --> 02:59:34,492
>> yeah, I know.

5256
02:59:34,492 --> 02:59:36,492
I understand this.

5257
02:59:37,261 --> 02:59:38,396
But I come in here wondering

5258
02:59:38,396 --> 02:59:40,331
what the reason is you have to

5259
02:59:40,331 --> 02:59:43,331
pay attention to this building.

5260
02:59:46,137 --> 02:59:49,807
The building is a lot of young

5261
02:59:49,807 --> 02:59:51,308
people

5262
02:59:51,308 --> 02:59:54,412
you have to explain to people in

5263
02:59:54,412 --> 02:59:57,412
the building what you're doing.

5264
02:59:58,490 --> 03:00:01,490
You have to be peaceful.

5265
03:00:01,186 --> 03:00:01,652
We come in here.

5266
03:00:01,652 --> 03:00:03,388
Make peace.

5267
03:00:03,388 --> 03:00:03,655
New commissioner, new mayor.

5268
03:00:03,655 --> 03:00:04,823
Everybody.

5269
03:00:04,823 --> 03:00:06,724
>> michael, you --

5270
03:00:06,724 --> 03:00:08,460
>> you go to building, when you

5271
03:00:08,460 --> 03:00:08,726
speak -- when you come into

5272
03:00:08,726 --> 03:00:10,726
building.

5273
03:00:13,999 --> 03:00:14,466
>> you said there have been four

5274
03:00:14,466 --> 03:00:16,301
assessments.

5275
03:00:16,301 --> 03:00:16,835
Have there been repairs to the

5276
03:00:16,835 --> 03:00:17,536
building at all?

5277
03:00:17,536 --> 03:00:18,937
>> no.

5278
03:00:18,937 --> 03:00:19,738
>> zero repairs?

5279
03:00:19,738 --> 03:00:20,539
>> no.

5280
03:00:20,539 --> 03:00:22,939
>> just demolition for six

5281
03:00:23,642 --> 03:00:25,642
months.

5282
03:00:25,777 --> 03:00:27,479
>> there have been zero repairs

5283
03:00:27,479 --> 03:00:28,800
with four assessments?

5284
03:00:28,800 --> 03:00:30,800
Is that true?

5285
03:00:43,962 --> 03:00:44,296
>> zero repairs.

5286
03:00:44,296 --> 03:00:44,896
[Inaudible]

5287
03:00:44,896 --> 03:00:46,896
>> okay.

5288
03:00:50,680 --> 03:00:52,504
So these assessments are over

5289
03:00:52,504 --> 03:00:52,938
how many years the four

5290
03:00:52,938 --> 03:00:54,873
assessments.

5291
03:00:54,873 --> 03:00:55,774
These four assessments are over

5292
03:00:55,774 --> 03:00:57,242
how many years?

5293
03:00:57,242 --> 03:00:58,809
>> three years.

5294
03:00:58,809 --> 03:01:02,409
So in three years there hasn't

5295
03:01:03,615 --> 03:01:04,649
been any repairs done?

5296
03:01:04,649 --> 03:01:06,118
>> no.

5297
03:01:06,118 --> 03:01:07,186
>> can you speak to the

5298
03:01:07,186 --> 03:01:09,210
microphone, so we're not

5299
03:01:09,210 --> 03:01:12,210
speaking from the seats, please.

5300
03:01:21,930 --> 03:01:21,200
[Inaudible]

5301
03:01:21,200 --> 03:01:21,275
.

5302
03:01:21,275 --> 03:01:21,352
Name and address.

5303
03:01:21,352 --> 03:01:21,428
>> my name is ina and I live in

5304
03:01:21,428 --> 03:01:21,834
towers 100, apartment 1202.

5305
03:01:21,834 --> 03:01:23,702
I'm living there for more than

5306
03:01:23,702 --> 03:01:26,338
three years, for three years,

5307
03:01:26,338 --> 03:01:28,474
they collect four asisments,

5308
03:01:28,474 --> 03:01:29,942
they always collect for the same

5309
03:01:29,942 --> 03:01:31,477
problems, swimming pool,

5310
03:01:31,477 --> 03:01:32,444
elevator and roof.

5311
03:01:32,444 --> 03:01:34,580
Every time they're collecting

5312
03:01:34,580 --> 03:01:37,580
the assessments, it means the

5313
03:01:44,657 --> 03:01:44,857
job was not done, right?

5314
03:01:44,857 --> 03:01:46,857
Why?

5315
03:01:46,992 --> 03:01:48,600
>> how old is your building?

5316
03:01:48,600 --> 03:01:50,600
>> 50 years.

5317
03:01:51,664 --> 03:01:51,997
>> have the elevators ever been

5318
03:01:51,997 --> 03:01:53,997
replaced?

5319
03:01:58,104 --> 03:01:58,369
These are the original

5320
03:01:58,369 --> 03:01:58,704
elevators?

5321
03:01:58,704 --> 03:01:59,971
[Inaudible]

5322
03:01:59,971 --> 03:02:02,971
>> then the county should look

5323
03:02:06,379 --> 03:02:08,581
at the elevators --

5324
03:02:08,581 --> 03:02:09,682
>> well, several elevators are

5325
03:02:09,682 --> 03:02:11,850
out of service already.

5326
03:02:11,850 --> 03:02:14,220
>> my suggestion would be to

5327
03:02:14,220 --> 03:02:16,288
contact the district attorney's

5328
03:02:16,288 --> 03:02:19,288
office, they will be looking

5329
03:02:20,860 --> 03:02:21,194
into the hoa's and doing an

5330
03:02:21,194 --> 03:02:22,761
investigation.

5331
03:02:22,761 --> 03:02:25,761
If they're collecting the money

5332
03:02:26,650 --> 03:02:28,868
and not doing what they need to

5333
03:02:28,868 --> 03:02:30,336
be doing, it will be good to

5334
03:02:30,336 --> 03:02:32,736
contact the district attorney's

5335
03:02:33,390 --> 03:02:35,141
office, I'm going to give you my

5336
03:02:35,141 --> 03:02:37,376
information so I can check --

5337
03:02:37,376 --> 03:02:37,577
>> and you have my card here as

5338
03:02:37,577 --> 03:02:38,711
well.

5339
03:02:38,711 --> 03:02:40,711
>> one second, please.

5340
03:02:41,460 --> 03:02:42,749
If I can put you in contact with

5341
03:02:42,749 --> 03:02:43,349
them, we're going to try.

5342
03:02:43,349 --> 03:02:44,617
>> okay.

5343
03:02:44,617 --> 03:02:45,385
>> but I think --

5344
03:02:45,385 --> 03:02:47,385
>> I --

5345
03:02:47,854 --> 03:02:48,187
>> I never heard about this

5346
03:02:48,187 --> 03:02:49,188
issue before.

5347
03:02:49,188 --> 03:02:51,188
>> to your point.

5348
03:02:51,924 --> 03:02:54,460
They have filed multiple -- you

5349
03:02:54,460 --> 03:02:57,196
have filed multiple claims with

5350
03:02:57,196 --> 03:02:59,596
the ombudsman, the attorney

5351
03:03:01,334 --> 03:03:02,367
general, you have made numerous

5352
03:03:02,367 --> 03:03:03,403
filings, correct?

5353
03:03:03,403 --> 03:03:04,604
You have made filings?

5354
03:03:04,604 --> 03:03:06,500
>> yes, yes.

5355
03:03:06,500 --> 03:03:07,173
We have --

5356
03:03:07,173 --> 03:03:09,308
>> I'll help you --

5357
03:03:09,308 --> 03:03:10,844
>> when it comes to the office,

5358
03:03:10,844 --> 03:03:11,610
they're not giving any

5359
03:03:11,610 --> 03:03:12,345
documentation, any --

5360
03:03:12,345 --> 03:03:14,246
>> by law.

5361
03:03:14,246 --> 03:03:16,316
>> you know by law, they're

5362
03:03:16,316 --> 03:03:17,249
required to provide you with

5363
03:03:17,249 --> 03:03:18,117
official records.

5364
03:03:18,117 --> 03:03:20,117
>> exactly.

5365
03:03:20,253 --> 03:03:22,253
>> within 10 day as.

5366
03:03:23,220 --> 03:03:24,890
>> precisely, yeah.

5367
03:03:24,890 --> 03:03:27,890
>> mayor: I'm not sure again.

5368
03:03:27,126 --> 03:03:29,362
I haven't evaluated, in my

5369
03:03:29,362 --> 03:03:31,310
humble opinion, under state law,

5370
03:03:31,310 --> 03:03:33,299
they're required to furniture

5371
03:03:33,299 --> 03:03:34,934
the documents, if I had to

5372
03:03:34,934 --> 03:03:35,268
guess, you have received some

5373
03:03:35,268 --> 03:03:36,636
documentation.

5374
03:03:36,636 --> 03:03:37,871
>> they're supposed to have a

5375
03:03:37,871 --> 03:03:38,170
website with all the

5376
03:03:38,170 --> 03:03:40,170
information.

5377
03:03:41,274 --> 03:03:42,242
>> that's true.

5378
03:03:42,242 --> 03:03:43,710
>> mayor: they're required to

5379
03:03:43,710 --> 03:03:45,710
have a website.

5380
03:03:46,780 --> 03:03:47,800
>> no statement of credit card,

5381
03:03:47,800 --> 03:03:48,782
no statement of --

5382
03:03:48,782 --> 03:03:49,150
>> there's not an official

5383
03:03:49,150 --> 03:03:50,884
record.

5384
03:03:50,884 --> 03:03:51,500
They have to give it to you by

5385
03:03:51,500 --> 03:03:52,451
law.

5386
03:03:52,451 --> 03:03:53,920
>> no, no, no.

5387
03:03:53,920 --> 03:03:56,389
>> they're not giving it to us.

5388
03:03:56,389 --> 03:03:57,557
>> contracts, financial reports

5389
03:03:57,557 --> 03:03:57,724
should be on that website by

5390
03:03:57,724 --> 03:03:59,724
law.

5391
03:04:02,829 --> 03:04:03,929
>> by law.

5392
03:04:03,929 --> 03:04:05,929
>> the security --

5393
03:04:08,167 --> 03:04:10,337
>> just so you know, the state

5394
03:04:10,337 --> 03:04:12,737
regulates condos, the dvpr.

5395
03:04:15,308 --> 03:04:17,770
>> the dvpr has original

5396
03:04:17,770 --> 03:04:17,844
jurisdiction over official

5397
03:04:17,844 --> 03:04:19,844
records request.

5398
03:04:20,800 --> 03:04:21,581
If you're requesting a specific

5399
03:04:21,581 --> 03:04:23,417
record and you file it, and give

5400
03:04:23,417 --> 03:04:24,918
a certified letter, you give

5401
03:04:24,918 --> 03:04:25,752
two, you should be able to get

5402
03:04:25,752 --> 03:04:27,752
those records.

5403
03:04:28,550 --> 03:04:30,424
So again, I don't know the

5404
03:04:30,424 --> 03:04:33,627
particulars, but I know you have

5405
03:04:33,627 --> 03:04:37,227
an absolute right for access to

5406
03:04:37,664 --> 03:04:39,664
records, right?

5407
03:04:40,330 --> 03:04:42,236
But the complaint against you

5408
03:04:42,236 --> 03:04:45,739
for defamation has nothing to do

5409
03:04:45,739 --> 03:04:45,973
with the official records,

5410
03:04:45,973 --> 03:04:47,641
correct?

5411
03:04:47,641 --> 03:04:47,975
>> that's different.

5412
03:04:47,975 --> 03:04:49,975
[Inaudible]

5413
03:04:51,478 --> 03:04:53,147
>> mayor: but again, that's

5414
03:04:53,147 --> 03:04:55,147
something completely separate?

5415
03:04:56,884 --> 03:04:57,484
Whatever it is, whatever it

5416
03:04:57,484 --> 03:04:57,850
is --

5417
03:04:57,850 --> 03:04:59,186
[Inaudible]

5418
03:04:59,186 --> 03:05:01,789
>> mayor: but whatever it is,

5419
03:05:01,789 --> 03:05:04,157
it's a separate matter, your

5420
03:05:04,157 --> 03:05:07,328
access, your access as a unit

5421
03:05:07,328 --> 03:05:07,561
owner to records is an absolute

5422
03:05:07,561 --> 03:05:09,630
right.

5423
03:05:09,630 --> 03:05:11,310
It's completely within your

5424
03:05:11,310 --> 03:05:12,433
right to get those records, if

5425
03:05:12,433 --> 03:05:13,834
you don't within 10 days of

5426
03:05:13,834 --> 03:05:15,568
request, you have recourse.

5427
03:05:15,568 --> 03:05:19,168
And you're aware of that, and

5428
03:05:19,473 --> 03:05:20,741
I'm sure you filed with the dvpr

5429
03:05:20,741 --> 03:05:23,141
for those records, correct?

5430
03:05:34,154 --> 03:05:36,223
>> no, no, you know what -- they

5431
03:05:36,223 --> 03:05:39,223
present one woman, they don't

5432
03:05:39,593 --> 03:05:41,228
let him come into office.

5433
03:05:41,228 --> 03:05:44,228
Normally they tell people, you

5434
03:05:44,865 --> 03:05:46,330
let him -- don't let him --

5435
03:05:46,330 --> 03:05:48,433
>> mayor: because I what?

5436
03:05:49,470 --> 03:05:50,204
>> you tell him, don't let him

5437
03:05:50,204 --> 03:05:51,472
come into the office?

5438
03:05:51,472 --> 03:05:53,140
>> mayor: I said don't let you

5439
03:05:53,140 --> 03:05:53,774
come into the office?

5440
03:05:53,774 --> 03:05:55,774
>> to people.

5441
03:05:56,677 --> 03:05:57,545
This coming to me.

5442
03:05:57,545 --> 03:05:58,145
>> mayor --

5443
03:05:58,145 --> 03:05:59,947
>> mayor: I'm sorry.

5444
03:05:59,947 --> 03:06:02,649
>> mayor, I'm sorry, this is a

5445
03:06:02,649 --> 03:06:04,285
civil matter, this is a civil

5446
03:06:04,285 --> 03:06:05,486
matter that doesn't -- we don't

5447
03:06:05,486 --> 03:06:07,388
have any jurisdiction.

5448
03:06:07,388 --> 03:06:07,622
We need to move on to the next

5449
03:06:07,622 --> 03:06:09,323
person.

5450
03:06:09,323 --> 03:06:10,224
>> why you don't let him come

5451
03:06:10,224 --> 03:06:11,291
into the office.

5452
03:06:11,291 --> 03:06:13,940
>> I -- listen.

5453
03:06:13,940 --> 03:06:16,970
>> let me enjoy -- I'm all

5454
03:06:16,970 --> 03:06:16,631
the -- the one who doesn't know

5455
03:06:16,631 --> 03:06:19,631
what your address is, you

5456
03:06:20,334 --> 03:06:22,334
already know.

5457
03:06:23,871 --> 03:06:26,541
List ing, guys, I think that in

5458
03:06:26,541 --> 03:06:28,843
the -- I work with you, I'm

5459
03:06:28,843 --> 03:06:31,843
you're consultant, so she works

5460
03:06:32,460 --> 03:06:33,781
in home care agency, and they

5461
03:06:33,781 --> 03:06:34,820
consult you because I have huge

5462
03:06:34,820 --> 03:06:36,820
experience.

5463
03:06:36,317 --> 03:06:38,619
I work with a lot of people that

5464
03:06:38,619 --> 03:06:40,655
live in this building.

5465
03:06:40,655 --> 03:06:42,357
A lot of these people don't know

5466
03:06:42,357 --> 03:06:43,791
what they're doing, they don't

5467
03:06:43,791 --> 03:06:45,927
understand what they're doing.

5468
03:06:45,927 --> 03:06:48,927
People take advantage of them,

5469
03:06:51,833 --> 03:06:52,660
they don't speak very good

5470
03:06:52,660 --> 03:06:53,568
english.

5471
03:06:53,568 --> 03:06:55,503
I think they were taken

5472
03:06:55,503 --> 03:06:58,730
advantage of for years, she

5473
03:06:58,730 --> 03:07:00,975
said, he said, it should end.

5474
03:07:00,975 --> 03:07:01,242
You guys should hire an

5475
03:07:01,242 --> 03:07:03,210
attorney.

5476
03:07:03,210 --> 03:07:03,945
Donna said, he said, she said.

5477
03:07:03,945 --> 03:07:05,446
It should stop.

5478
03:07:05,446 --> 03:07:07,682
You need to get the legal --

5479
03:07:07,682 --> 03:07:09,984
what you're saying right now,

5480
03:07:09,984 --> 03:07:11,753
I'm very sorry, that's nonsense,

5481
03:07:11,753 --> 03:07:13,688
that's just a kindergarten

5482
03:07:13,688 --> 03:07:17,125
level, I can't listen to that.

5483
03:07:17,125 --> 03:07:17,691
What does donna have to do with

5484
03:07:17,691 --> 03:07:19,930
what's --

5485
03:07:19,930 --> 03:07:20,996
>> ma'am, ma'am, can you all

5486
03:07:20,996 --> 03:07:21,429
have the discussion outside?

5487
03:07:21,429 --> 03:07:23,429
>> yes.

5488
03:07:24,699 --> 03:07:24,932
>> thank you, we need to move

5489
03:07:24,932 --> 03:07:26,801
on.

5490
03:07:26,801 --> 03:07:27,735
It's a civil matter.

5491
03:07:27,735 --> 03:07:30,405
>> mayor: it seems to me you

5492
03:07:30,405 --> 03:07:31,906
want to pull the city into this

5493
03:07:31,906 --> 03:07:32,306
drama, and we're not really

5494
03:07:32,306 --> 03:07:34,306
involved.

5495
03:07:35,243 --> 03:07:36,478
>> we have no jurisdiction.

5496
03:07:36,478 --> 03:07:38,480
There is the state --

5497
03:07:38,480 --> 03:07:40,480
>> michael, what this lady is

5498
03:07:40,480 --> 03:07:41,750
saying to you is what I've been

5499
03:07:41,750 --> 03:07:43,151
saying to you.

5500
03:07:43,151 --> 03:07:45,753
>> they have nothing to do with

5501
03:07:45,753 --> 03:07:48,623
it, a lot of seniors, you know,

5502
03:07:48,623 --> 03:07:50,959
it was when they have -- they

5503
03:07:50,959 --> 03:07:51,927
have problems, they do

5504
03:07:51,927 --> 03:07:53,728
complaining, what was happening

5505
03:07:53,728 --> 03:07:55,997
in the 100 building, some

5506
03:07:55,997 --> 03:07:57,310
something I would never imagine

5507
03:07:57,310 --> 03:07:57,766
would happen in the united

5508
03:07:57,766 --> 03:07:59,766
states of america.

5509
03:08:02,370 --> 03:08:03,905
>> it happens all along 174th, I

5510
03:08:03,905 --> 03:08:06,841
live in the 300 and we've gone

5511
03:08:06,841 --> 03:08:08,710
through the same issues.

5512
03:08:08,710 --> 03:08:09,144
>> concerns about records, but

5513
03:08:09,144 --> 03:08:11,144
there's --

5514
03:08:11,580 --> 03:08:13,980
>> michael, call me tomorrow.

5515
03:08:14,616 --> 03:08:16,485
>> no, we're not -- we have no

5516
03:08:16,485 --> 03:08:17,319
jurisdictions over hoa's or

5517
03:08:17,319 --> 03:08:18,620
condos, that's the state.

5518
03:08:18,620 --> 03:08:21,880
And you need to get an attorney.

5519
03:08:21,880 --> 03:08:21,689
>> that's correct, nothing.

5520
03:08:21,689 --> 03:08:24,260
>> I'd like to add something,

5521
03:08:24,260 --> 03:08:25,930
though.

5522
03:08:25,930 --> 03:08:26,695
I'd like to add something, I'm

5523
03:08:26,695 --> 03:08:27,328
in conversations with the

5524
03:08:27,328 --> 03:08:29,328
county, okay?

5525
03:08:30,599 --> 03:08:32,634
And the county does have a

5526
03:08:32,634 --> 03:08:34,870
special program that they're

5527
03:08:34,870 --> 03:08:37,138
starting where they'll give you

5528
03:08:37,138 --> 03:08:39,400
a loan so people can pay for

5529
03:08:39,400 --> 03:08:40,642
their special assessments, okay?

5530
03:08:40,642 --> 03:08:42,610
I'm gathering the information,

5531
03:08:42,610 --> 03:08:44,279
so once I gather all the

5532
03:08:44,279 --> 03:08:46,381
information, I'll make sure our

5533
03:08:46,381 --> 03:08:48,117
media department, that we post

5534
03:08:48,117 --> 03:08:49,151
it, and we spread the

5535
03:08:49,151 --> 03:08:50,852
information, okay?

5536
03:08:50,852 --> 03:08:52,254
>> but for me it seems like,

5537
03:08:52,254 --> 03:08:52,554
that's not about special

5538
03:08:52,554 --> 03:08:54,554
assessment.

5539
03:08:54,756 --> 03:08:56,625
>> no, well, the other lady

5540
03:08:56,625 --> 03:08:56,926
talked about special

5541
03:08:56,926 --> 03:08:57,926
assessments.

5542
03:08:57,926 --> 03:08:59,127
>> mayor: but it is about a

5543
03:08:59,127 --> 03:08:59,762
special assessment, because

5544
03:08:59,762 --> 03:09:00,429
this --

5545
03:09:00,429 --> 03:09:01,129
>> yeah.

5546
03:09:01,129 --> 03:09:03,129
>> they said --

5547
03:09:03,331 --> 03:09:05,331
>> no, but --

5548
03:09:07,369 --> 03:09:09,370
>> this all started because

5549
03:09:09,370 --> 03:09:11,307
there was a multimillion dollar

5550
03:09:11,307 --> 03:09:13,175
special assessment, that's when

5551
03:09:13,175 --> 03:09:13,776
the whole thing devolved in that

5552
03:09:13,776 --> 03:09:15,477
building.

5553
03:09:15,477 --> 03:09:17,413
It completely relates.

5554
03:09:17,413 --> 03:09:19,214
If there weren't this 14 million

5555
03:09:19,214 --> 03:09:20,683
or $12 million special

5556
03:09:20,683 --> 03:09:23,510
assessment, no one would be

5557
03:09:23,510 --> 03:09:24,987
upset in that building, it all

5558
03:09:24,987 --> 03:09:25,287
stems from that special

5559
03:09:25,287 --> 03:09:26,655
assessment.

5560
03:09:26,655 --> 03:09:29,655
Their questions are, where is

5561
03:09:30,826 --> 03:09:32,261
the money going, where is the

5562
03:09:32,261 --> 03:09:32,928
money being spent, nothing is

5563
03:09:32,928 --> 03:09:34,928
getting done.

5564
03:09:36,298 --> 03:09:36,699
We don't have access, we don't

5565
03:09:36,699 --> 03:09:38,200
have transparency.

5566
03:09:38,200 --> 03:09:38,801
It's all about the special

5567
03:09:38,801 --> 03:09:39,869
assessment.

5568
03:09:39,869 --> 03:09:41,704
Again, every building is going

5569
03:09:41,704 --> 03:09:42,738
through this in the city or is

5570
03:09:42,738 --> 03:09:44,273
going to be going through this.

5571
03:09:44,273 --> 03:09:46,142
And now it's gotten personal.

5572
03:09:46,142 --> 03:09:47,710
>> the problem is, when you have

5573
03:09:47,710 --> 03:09:50,710
years with no assessments, and

5574
03:09:50,946 --> 03:09:52,214
then you have to repair the

5575
03:09:52,214 --> 03:09:52,882
building, that's where the

5576
03:09:52,882 --> 03:09:54,882
problem --

5577
03:09:54,917 --> 03:09:56,185
>> can we move on, please.

5578
03:09:56,185 --> 03:09:57,520
>> mayor: we've given a lot of

5579
03:09:57,520 --> 03:10:01,120
time and had a lot of

5580
03:10:01,390 --> 03:10:03,580
discussion, and we want to be

5581
03:10:03,580 --> 03:10:06,580
empathetic here, but this is

5582
03:10:06,128 --> 03:10:07,697
something that is a private

5583
03:10:07,697 --> 03:10:09,650
matter amongst you and your

5584
03:10:09,650 --> 03:10:11,650
board of directors.

5585
03:10:12,268 --> 03:10:16,468
And I think you know that the

5586
03:10:17,139 --> 03:10:17,974
city officials and the city

5587
03:10:17,974 --> 03:10:18,307
government --

5588
03:10:18,307 --> 03:10:19,642
[Inaudible]

5589
03:10:19,642 --> 03:10:21,110
>> mayor: we can't solve that

5590
03:10:21,110 --> 03:10:24,280
problem, we can only serve as a

5591
03:10:24,280 --> 03:10:25,915
resource if you have something

5592
03:10:25,915 --> 03:10:27,550
that, of course, you take it to

5593
03:10:27,550 --> 03:10:30,453
this agency or that agency.

5594
03:10:30,453 --> 03:10:33,256
This is not -- we can't fix a

5595
03:10:33,256 --> 03:10:36,256
special assessment issue, or any

5596
03:10:36,425 --> 03:10:36,626
individual lawsuits that are

5597
03:10:36,626 --> 03:10:37,126
happen

5598
03:10:37,126 --> 03:10:39,126
happening.

5599
03:10:41,831 --> 03:10:45,431
>> thank you, I just want to

5600
03:10:46,680 --> 03:10:47,637
say -- I want to thank you,

5601
03:10:47,637 --> 03:10:49,405
donna -- we enjoyed the last

5602
03:10:49,405 --> 03:10:50,807
four years, everything was

5603
03:10:50,807 --> 03:10:51,708
great.

5604
03:10:51,708 --> 03:10:53,708
Thank you, everybody.

5605
03:10:54,344 --> 03:10:54,844
>> appreciate it, thank you very

5606
03:10:54,844 --> 03:10:56,844
much.

5607
03:10:57,747 --> 03:11:00,784
>> and I don't know who the guy

5608
03:11:00,784 --> 03:11:02,784
was, was here.

5609
03:11:04,200 --> 03:11:04,653
Whoever he was, apologize for

5610
03:11:04,653 --> 03:11:04,921
whoever he was.

5611
03:11:04,921 --> 03:11:06,921
Thank you.

5612
03:11:08,658 --> 03:11:10,658
>> thank you.

5613
03:11:17,200 --> 03:11:19,200
>> mayor: thank you.

5614
03:11:20,470 --> 03:11:21,770
Now we have olga.

5615
03:11:21,770 --> 03:11:23,770
>> she just left.

5616
03:11:24,941 --> 03:11:27,144
>> and derek conswega is the

5617
03:11:27,144 --> 03:11:28,345
last one.

5618
03:11:28,345 --> 03:11:28,545
>> no?

5619
03:11:28,545 --> 03:11:30,513
Okay.

5620
03:11:30,513 --> 03:11:32,513
Thank you.

5621
03:11:35,619 --> 03:11:36,252
>> we have george -- we have

5622
03:11:36,252 --> 03:11:37,200
pablo.

5623
03:11:37,200 --> 03:11:39,200
Pablo, you're speaking?

5624
03:11:39,455 --> 03:11:41,855
>> no, sorry about that.

5625
03:11:42,726 --> 03:11:43,260
>> mayor: then I have george

5626
03:11:43,260 --> 03:11:45,260
guardmesser.

5627
03:11:46,229 --> 03:11:48,229
>> welcome back, george.

5628
03:11:49,566 --> 03:11:51,568
>> thank you, it's good to be

5629
03:11:51,568 --> 03:11:52,836
back, members of the commission,

5630
03:11:52,836 --> 03:11:54,836
mayor goldman.

5631
03:11:55,500 --> 03:11:56,773
I'd like to speak to the heart,

5632
03:11:56,773 --> 03:11:59,710
on an issue that's been

5633
03:11:59,710 --> 03:12:01,811
bothering me a couple months,

5634
03:12:01,811 --> 03:12:02,112
things have gotten steal on this

5635
03:12:02,112 --> 03:12:02,613
commission.

5636
03:12:02,613 --> 03:12:03,980
>> steal?

5637
03:12:03,980 --> 03:12:06,380
>> members of the commission

5638
03:12:06,683 --> 03:12:06,984
have an ethical obligation to be

5639
03:12:06,984 --> 03:12:08,984
independent.

5640
03:12:09,620 --> 03:12:12,790
What we saw in this election is

5641
03:12:12,790 --> 03:12:13,957
that essentially you're all

5642
03:12:13,957 --> 03:12:16,357
marionettes of mayor goldman.

5643
03:12:19,930 --> 03:12:23,530
You campaign for her actively, I

5644
03:12:24,835 --> 03:12:29,350
got my -- I got spammed with

5645
03:12:30,974 --> 03:12:31,508
jennifer advice caro

5646
03:12:31,508 --> 03:12:33,508
vis kar

5647
03:12:34,711 --> 03:12:36,711
iffer viscarra campaigning

5648
03:12:40,217 --> 03:12:42,190
for mayor goldman.

5649
03:12:42,190 --> 03:12:42,286
Right next to the elections

5650
03:12:42,286 --> 03:12:44,286
locations.

5651
03:12:44,889 --> 03:12:45,122
>> does that make us puppets,

5652
03:12:45,122 --> 03:12:47,122
though?

5653
03:12:47,691 --> 03:12:49,626
>> please, let him punish.

5654
03:12:49,626 --> 03:12:51,894
>> jerry, for the record, I've

5655
03:12:51,894 --> 03:12:53,464
told you, a lot of people feel

5656
03:12:53,464 --> 03:12:54,465
negatively about you, I'm not

5657
03:12:54,465 --> 03:12:55,800
one of them.

5658
03:12:55,800 --> 03:12:58,200
I'm neutral about you.

5659
03:12:58,535 --> 03:13:00,700
My point is, I have a solution.

5660
03:13:00,700 --> 03:13:01,605
The solution is a recall.

5661
03:13:01,605 --> 03:13:05,509
What we need is a recall for all

5662
03:13:05,509 --> 03:13:07,509
the commissioners.

5663
03:13:07,610 --> 03:13:08,913
I volunteered to work with the

5664
03:13:08,913 --> 03:13:10,913
city attorney.

5665
03:13:11,715 --> 03:13:13,651
We only need 1200 signatures, I

5666
03:13:13,651 --> 03:13:15,386
can collect 100 at starbucks in

5667
03:13:15,386 --> 03:13:17,221
the mourning in two days, I

5668
03:13:17,221 --> 03:13:19,221
promise you.

5669
03:13:19,390 --> 03:13:22,593
I think we need a recall, we

5670
03:13:22,593 --> 03:13:24,494
need some fresh blood, new ideas

5671
03:13:24,494 --> 03:13:25,495
here, too many people it feels

5672
03:13:25,495 --> 03:13:28,495
like, have groaning into their

5673
03:13:30,201 --> 03:13:32,601
chairs, so to speak.

5674
03:13:35,672 --> 03:13:38,542
And the solution is a recall.

5675
03:13:38,542 --> 03:13:39,911
There's an alternative, if every

5676
03:13:39,911 --> 03:13:41,178
member of the commission

5677
03:13:41,178 --> 03:13:42,914
resigns, we can skip the recall

5678
03:13:42,914 --> 03:13:45,449
and just have an election.

5679
03:13:45,449 --> 03:13:46,884
So out of the goodness of my

5680
03:13:46,884 --> 03:13:48,553
heart, I'm offering this idea to

5681
03:13:48,553 --> 03:13:49,754
everyone here, and I hope you

5682
03:13:49,754 --> 03:13:50,488
will consider it, and vote on

5683
03:13:50,488 --> 03:13:52,156
it, thank you.

5684
03:13:52,156 --> 03:13:53,124
>> yeah, thank you, george.

5685
03:13:53,124 --> 03:13:53,524
Thank you.

5686
03:13:53,524 --> 03:13:55,524
>> bravo.

5687
03:13:55,860 --> 03:13:57,328
>> you know, george, I never met

5688
03:13:57,328 --> 03:14:00,328
you before, so I don't

5689
03:14:00,464 --> 03:14:04,100
understand how you could tell me

5690
03:14:04,100 --> 03:14:04,235
basically to resign if you don't

5691
03:14:04,235 --> 03:14:05,803
know me.

5692
03:14:05,803 --> 03:14:07,771
We haven't talked -- I invite

5693
03:14:07,771 --> 03:14:11,542
you to come and talk to me, we

5694
03:14:11,542 --> 03:14:13,578
have a meeting, so you could

5695
03:14:13,578 --> 03:14:14,846
have a better opinion of what --

5696
03:14:14,846 --> 03:14:16,881
of the work we've done here, and

5697
03:14:16,881 --> 03:14:18,750
speaking from the heart, to be

5698
03:14:18,750 --> 03:14:21,850
honest with you, I think that

5699
03:14:21,850 --> 03:14:24,685
this year, that we've been here

5700
03:14:25,990 --> 03:14:29,590
sitting at the dais with mayor

5701
03:14:30,694 --> 03:14:33,197
goldman we've kind of unlocked

5702
03:14:33,197 --> 03:14:35,767
that stale feeling you have,

5703
03:14:35,767 --> 03:14:37,502
that's why we've been able to

5704
03:14:37,502 --> 03:14:38,969
hire 10 new police officers,

5705
03:14:38,969 --> 03:14:40,472
dispatchers, we've been talking

5706
03:14:40,472 --> 03:14:40,738
about changing the traffic

5707
03:14:40,738 --> 03:14:42,738
signals.

5708
03:14:43,541 --> 03:14:44,609
As you can see, there have been

5709
03:14:44,609 --> 03:14:45,644
changes, positive changes.

5710
03:14:45,644 --> 03:14:48,110
>> I don't understand --

5711
03:14:48,110 --> 03:14:49,781
>> hold on, jerry, I'm speaking.

5712
03:14:49,781 --> 03:14:50,315
We've had committees where we

5713
03:14:50,315 --> 03:14:52,283
get --

5714
03:14:52,283 --> 03:14:54,519
>> you're out of time.

5715
03:14:54,519 --> 03:14:55,219
>> I'm a commissioner I get ten

5716
03:14:55,219 --> 03:14:57,219
minutes.

5717
03:14:57,789 --> 03:14:59,789
>> no.

5718
03:14:59,791 --> 03:15:01,526
>> we have committees where

5719
03:15:01,526 --> 03:15:01,793
we're doing more outreach to the

5720
03:15:01,793 --> 03:15:03,395
residents.

5721
03:15:03,395 --> 03:15:05,797
She was able -- our vice mayor

5722
03:15:05,797 --> 03:15:07,666
was able to form, which

5723
03:15:07,666 --> 03:15:10,969
before -- for some reason, it

5724
03:15:10,969 --> 03:15:13,104
was very stale and it could not

5725
03:15:13,104 --> 03:15:15,573
happen, she was able to do the

5726
03:15:15,573 --> 03:15:16,942
residents academy, which whoever

5727
03:15:16,942 --> 03:15:18,977
attended that can tell you

5728
03:15:18,977 --> 03:15:20,977
they're grateful.

5729
03:15:21,246 --> 03:15:21,713
I've been able to form the

5730
03:15:21,713 --> 03:15:23,713
senior roundtable.

5731
03:15:24,415 --> 03:15:27,185
There's been a lot of changes

5732
03:15:27,185 --> 03:15:28,687
that transpired in the last less

5733
03:15:28,687 --> 03:15:28,954
than a year to be honest with

5734
03:15:28,954 --> 03:15:30,855
you.

5735
03:15:30,855 --> 03:15:33,225
I don't know where you get that

5736
03:15:33,225 --> 03:15:35,493
word stale from, I think that's

5737
03:15:35,493 --> 03:15:38,430
what happened before, and that's

5738
03:15:38,430 --> 03:15:40,165
why -- I invite you to with me

5739
03:15:40,165 --> 03:15:42,167
and maybe you can see the other

5740
03:15:42,167 --> 03:15:45,167
side of the story, okay?

5741
03:15:46,371 --> 03:15:46,605
There's always three sides,

5742
03:15:46,605 --> 03:15:47,539
right?

5743
03:15:47,539 --> 03:15:49,539
>> perhaps.

5744
03:15:49,774 --> 03:15:52,176
>> any how, I offer you to sit

5745
03:15:52,176 --> 03:15:53,779
with me and we can talk, so you

5746
03:15:53,779 --> 03:15:56,214
can have a better idea, a more

5747
03:15:56,214 --> 03:15:57,682
complete idea of what has

5748
03:15:57,682 --> 03:15:59,217
transpired and what's going on.

5749
03:15:59,217 --> 03:16:00,619
To be honest with you, this is

5750
03:16:00,619 --> 03:16:01,753
the first time I've seen you

5751
03:16:01,753 --> 03:16:03,388
here at the commission meeting.

5752
03:16:03,388 --> 03:16:04,823
I haven't seen you before.

5753
03:16:04,823 --> 03:16:05,991
>> this is true, this is the

5754
03:16:05,991 --> 03:16:08,527
first time I've come here.

5755
03:16:08,527 --> 03:16:09,728
>> maybe if you come more often

5756
03:16:09,728 --> 03:16:11,730
you would understand better, and

5757
03:16:11,730 --> 03:16:13,730
we could meet.

5758
03:16:14,900 --> 03:16:16,969
Have you met with any of the

5759
03:16:16,969 --> 03:16:18,969
commissioners before?

5760
03:16:20,506 --> 03:16:22,241
>> fabiola filmed me at the

5761
03:16:22,241 --> 03:16:24,241
precinct voting.

5762
03:16:24,910 --> 03:16:26,245
>> you haven't had a one on one

5763
03:16:26,245 --> 03:16:27,146
conversation talking about

5764
03:16:27,146 --> 03:16:27,680
subjects and topics?

5765
03:16:27,680 --> 03:16:29,214
>> no.

5766
03:16:29,214 --> 03:16:32,151
>> sign up for the academy.

5767
03:16:32,151 --> 03:16:33,819
>> sign up for the academy.

5768
03:16:33,819 --> 03:16:35,354
>> it's a pleasure.

5769
03:16:35,354 --> 03:16:38,891
>> let's talk in the heart, and

5770
03:16:38,891 --> 03:16:39,725
be truthful to ourselves, so

5771
03:16:39,725 --> 03:16:40,959
let's meet, okay?

5772
03:16:40,959 --> 03:16:44,559
>> mayor: you have to come here,

5773
03:16:45,697 --> 03:16:47,399
when you haven't met any of us.

5774
03:16:47,399 --> 03:16:49,268
To say we should have a recall.

5775
03:16:49,268 --> 03:16:51,704
>> I pay your salaries among

5776
03:16:51,704 --> 03:16:54,506
many others, why should I not

5777
03:16:54,506 --> 03:16:55,106
have an opinion about the

5778
03:16:55,106 --> 03:16:56,374
staleness of the --

5779
03:16:56,374 --> 03:16:58,344
>> no, I disagree with you.

5780
03:16:58,344 --> 03:16:58,944
>> if I could have one second.

5781
03:16:58,944 --> 03:17:00,944
>> yeah.

5782
03:17:02,280 --> 03:17:04,150
>> it occurs to me that many of

5783
03:17:04,150 --> 03:17:07,486
the people who ran for office

5784
03:17:07,486 --> 03:17:09,654
and got elected did so under

5785
03:17:09,654 --> 03:17:11,654
false pretenses.

5786
03:17:11,724 --> 03:17:13,292
I'm a republican, many of the

5787
03:17:13,292 --> 03:17:16,292
people pretend to be republicans

5788
03:17:17,263 --> 03:17:18,964
or give an impression that

5789
03:17:18,964 --> 03:17:20,967
somehow they share my values

5790
03:17:20,967 --> 03:17:21,267
when, in fact, it is not the

5791
03:17:21,267 --> 03:17:23,134
case.

5792
03:17:23,134 --> 03:17:25,705
Mayor goldman, with all due

5793
03:17:25,705 --> 03:17:27,940
respect, I see you as a liberal

5794
03:17:27,940 --> 03:17:30,142
democrat probably to the left of

5795
03:17:30,142 --> 03:17:30,743
joe biden, probably somewhere

5796
03:17:30,743 --> 03:17:31,576
around --

5797
03:17:31,576 --> 03:17:33,312
>> mayor: that's because number

5798
03:17:33,312 --> 03:17:35,448
one you don't know me, you've

5799
03:17:35,448 --> 03:17:37,616
never met me, and this is not a

5800
03:17:37,616 --> 03:17:37,850
partisan board or a partisan

5801
03:17:37,850 --> 03:17:39,652
race.

5802
03:17:39,652 --> 03:17:41,253
There should be absolutely no

5803
03:17:41,253 --> 03:17:43,653
discussion of party affiliation,

5804
03:17:44,290 --> 03:17:45,625
it has no relevance to city

5805
03:17:45,625 --> 03:17:47,160
matters and government platters.

5806
03:17:47,160 --> 03:17:48,561
>> I disagree, but fine.

5807
03:17:48,561 --> 03:17:50,961
>> one second, one second.

5808
03:17:51,300 --> 03:17:52,632
>> it's not -- it's

5809
03:17:52,632 --> 03:17:54,333
absolutely -- it's just -- this

5810
03:17:54,333 --> 03:17:56,733
is totally off topic.

5811
03:17:58,537 --> 03:17:58,805
>> as a clarification about the

5812
03:17:58,805 --> 03:18:00,740
elections.

5813
03:18:00,740 --> 03:18:02,742
This FEBRUARY, jerry joseph and

5814
03:18:02,742 --> 03:18:04,811
I myself, this year, we got

5815
03:18:04,811 --> 03:18:07,211
elected by the people.

5816
03:18:08,614 --> 03:18:10,215
And in NOVEMBER, alex lama and

5817
03:18:10,215 --> 03:18:11,317
jeniffer viscarra got elected by

5818
03:18:11,317 --> 03:18:12,785
the people.

5819
03:18:12,785 --> 03:18:14,621
We have four commissioners that

5820
03:18:14,621 --> 03:18:14,821
got elected by the people this

5821
03:18:14,821 --> 03:18:16,821
year.

5822
03:18:16,990 --> 03:18:18,358
So talking about fresh blood, I

5823
03:18:18,358 --> 03:18:19,626
think you need to be a little

5824
03:18:19,626 --> 03:18:21,626
more informed.

5825
03:18:22,161 --> 03:18:25,364
And about the video, the day of

5826
03:18:25,364 --> 03:18:26,666
the elections, I only started

5827
03:18:26,666 --> 03:18:29,269
recording when you were being

5828
03:18:29,269 --> 03:18:31,170
very aggressive and

5829
03:18:31,170 --> 03:18:31,437
disrespectful, using very bad

5830
03:18:31,437 --> 03:18:33,437
behavior.

5831
03:18:33,606 --> 03:18:35,875
>> actually, I didn't know who

5832
03:18:35,875 --> 03:18:37,210
you were at the time.

5833
03:18:37,210 --> 03:18:40,210
>> language I'm not going to

5834
03:18:41,881 --> 03:18:44,616
repeat here, because I'm a lady.

5835
03:18:44,616 --> 03:18:46,853
>> fabiola has a video of me, I

5836
03:18:46,853 --> 03:18:47,554
don't know if she watches it or

5837
03:18:47,554 --> 03:18:49,554
pnot, but --

5838
03:18:49,855 --> 03:18:50,900
>> we need to make a motion to

5839
03:18:50,900 --> 03:18:51,124
adjourn.

5840
03:18:51,124 --> 03:18:53,124
>> mayor: thank you.

5841
03:18:53,927 --> 03:18:54,160
Before we make a motion to

5842
03:18:54,160 --> 03:18:55,280
adjourn.

5843
03:18:55,280 --> 03:18:58,280
Thank you for your time.

5844
03:18:58,697 --> 03:19:01,868
I wanted to make a couple

5845
03:19:01,868 --> 03:19:04,237
comments that alex lama started.

5846
03:19:04,237 --> 03:19:07,240
Mayor goldman, thank you for --

5847
03:19:07,240 --> 03:19:09,900
truly what I believe is a

5848
03:19:09,900 --> 03:19:09,309
transformative year for this

5849
03:19:09,309 --> 03:19:11,309
commission.

5850
03:19:12,279 --> 03:19:14,181
We haven't always agreed, and

5851
03:19:14,181 --> 03:19:15,849
yet we -- you know, we were able

5852
03:19:15,849 --> 03:19:17,500
to come together around your

5853
03:19:17,500 --> 03:19:19,685
policies and I'm very proud of

5854
03:19:19,685 --> 03:19:20,530
the changes that we've made.

5855
03:19:20,530 --> 03:19:21,488
>> yes.

5856
03:19:21,488 --> 03:19:23,990
>> mayor: and I think the city

5857
03:19:23,990 --> 03:19:25,625
is better off, I think personnel

5858
03:19:25,625 --> 03:19:26,526
is better off, our police

5859
03:19:26,526 --> 03:19:28,926
department is certainly better

5860
03:19:29,196 --> 03:19:29,463
off, we have a new chief, a new

5861
03:19:29,463 --> 03:19:31,463
mayor.

5862
03:19:33,000 --> 03:19:34,467
We have -- I mean, we're just

5863
03:19:34,467 --> 03:19:36,402
better than we've been since I

5864
03:19:36,402 --> 03:19:37,437
got here four years ago, and

5865
03:19:37,437 --> 03:19:38,938
probably since before that.

5866
03:19:38,938 --> 03:19:42,342
But I can't speak for that.

5867
03:19:42,342 --> 03:19:42,575
>> and not only that, but I

5868
03:19:42,575 --> 03:19:43,243
hear --

5869
03:19:43,243 --> 03:19:44,711
>> mayor: give me one second,

5870
03:19:44,711 --> 03:19:46,711
please, jerry.

5871
03:19:47,948 --> 03:19:49,683
I just waneded to tell you that,

5872
03:19:49,683 --> 03:19:51,451
it's been an amazing year.

5873
03:19:51,451 --> 03:19:52,418
And it's something you should be

5874
03:19:52,418 --> 03:19:53,954
very proud of.

5875
03:19:53,954 --> 03:19:54,154
Regardless of what the noise

5876
03:19:54,154 --> 03:19:55,922
says.

5877
03:19:55,922 --> 03:19:57,224
I have no intention of

5878
03:19:57,224 --> 03:19:59,293
resigning, by the way, for those

5879
03:19:59,293 --> 03:19:59,793
of you wondering.

5880
03:19:59,793 --> 03:20:01,461
>> yes.

5881
03:20:01,461 --> 03:20:03,530
>> mayor: and ed, I know, you

5882
03:20:03,530 --> 03:20:05,298
are -- this is your last

5883
03:20:05,298 --> 03:20:07,601
meeting, your ready for

5884
03:20:07,601 --> 03:20:08,134
retirement, congratulations on

5885
03:20:08,134 --> 03:20:08,836
your retirement.

5886
03:20:08,836 --> 03:20:11,905
And thank you so much for

5887
03:20:11,905 --> 03:20:13,905
working with us.

5888
03:20:14,740 --> 03:20:15,943
>> thank you, ed.

5889
03:20:15,943 --> 03:20:18,943
>> mayor: and I'll make a

5890
03:20:19,179 --> 03:20:19,680
motion, unless someone else has

5891
03:20:19,680 --> 03:20:21,482
something to say.

5892
03:20:21,482 --> 03:20:25,586
>> I would like to say also, the

5893
03:20:25,586 --> 03:20:27,821
mayor and myself, we started off

5894
03:20:27,821 --> 03:20:31,421
the year a little rough around

5895
03:20:32,760 --> 03:20:36,960
the edges, but I'm happy for how

5896
03:20:37,431 --> 03:20:39,566
she progressed with her plans

5897
03:20:39,566 --> 03:20:43,166
for the city, with the underpark

5898
03:20:44,905 --> 03:20:46,950
and all, and I hope to move that

5899
03:20:46,950 --> 03:20:47,374
forward.

5900
03:20:47,374 --> 03:20:47,842
And I thank you.

5901
03:20:47,842 --> 03:20:49,375
>> mayor: thank you.

5902
03:20:49,375 --> 03:20:51,946
Thank you, it's been an honor.

5903
03:20:51,946 --> 03:20:52,446
>> yes, I want to thank you too,

5904
03:20:52,446 --> 03:20:54,446
mayor goldman.

5905
03:20:55,115 --> 03:20:57,515
Everyone obviously, I'm a

5906
03:20:59,886 --> 03:21:02,886
republican and you're a democrat

5907
03:21:03,230 --> 03:21:04,858
but -- been republican since

5908
03:21:04,858 --> 03:21:05,760
1989, I haven't switched ever,

5909
03:21:05,760 --> 03:21:07,760
ever, ever.

5910
03:21:08,940 --> 03:21:10,465
Any how, it's been great, some

5911
03:21:10,465 --> 03:21:11,531
of the changes we've been able

5912
03:21:11,531 --> 03:21:13,267
to make.

5913
03:21:13,267 --> 03:21:14,769
Thank you, stan for the reports.

5914
03:21:14,769 --> 03:21:16,604
We never got reports,

5915
03:21:16,604 --> 03:21:19,604
information was something of a

5916
03:21:19,941 --> 03:21:21,420
taboo here before, so that was a

5917
03:21:21,420 --> 03:21:23,420
big change.

5918
03:21:25,746 --> 03:21:27,614
The transparency, and, you know,

5919
03:21:27,614 --> 03:21:28,783
the flow of information is key.

5920
03:21:28,783 --> 03:21:30,251
I think that the more informed

5921
03:21:30,251 --> 03:21:32,553
you are, the better decisions

5922
03:21:32,553 --> 03:21:34,553
you can make.

5923
03:21:36,230 --> 03:21:37,425
And you can make the right

5924
03:21:37,425 --> 03:21:39,590
decisions and moving forward

5925
03:21:39,590 --> 03:21:43,259
with some of the things we were

5926
03:21:44,132 --> 03:21:44,565
able to accomplish, so it's

5927
03:21:44,565 --> 03:21:46,133
great.

5928
03:21:46,133 --> 03:21:48,533
A lot of things.

5929
03:21:48,935 --> 03:21:50,438
And hopefully we'll be able to

5930
03:21:50,438 --> 03:21:52,774
move forward and continue some

5931
03:21:52,774 --> 03:21:53,808
of the ideas that you had and

5932
03:21:53,808 --> 03:21:56,208
that we've discussed before.

5933
03:21:57,778 --> 03:21:59,130
Thank you very much.

5934
03:21:59,130 --> 03:22:00,815
We owe you a lot.

5935
03:22:00,815 --> 03:22:03,384
>> I want to say thank you,

5936
03:22:03,384 --> 03:22:04,352
thank you for trusting in me and

5937
03:22:04,352 --> 03:22:06,752
appointing me last year.

5938
03:22:07,155 --> 03:22:09,691
It's been an honor, a pleasure,

5939
03:22:09,691 --> 03:22:12,126
a learning experience that isn't

5940
03:22:12,126 --> 03:22:14,126
going to end.

5941
03:22:14,228 --> 03:22:16,564
And I look forward for

5942
03:22:16,564 --> 03:22:17,265
continuous guidance about the

5943
03:22:17,265 --> 03:22:19,265
future.

5944
03:22:19,968 --> 03:22:20,134
And I think we are going to MISS

5945
03:22:20,134 --> 03:22:22,134
You.

5946
03:22:22,971 --> 03:22:23,271
Having said that, I want to give

5947
03:22:23,271 --> 03:22:25,271
you --

5948
03:22:31,112 --> 03:22:32,414
>> yes, and --

5949
03:22:32,414 --> 03:22:34,490
>> mayor: motion to adjourn.

5950
03:22:34,490 --> 03:22:37,519
>> I'd like to say I'm proud to

5951
03:22:37,519 --> 03:22:39,688
be a part of this commission,

5952
03:22:39,688 --> 03:22:39,854
and everyone who composes it.

5953
03:22:39,854 --> 03:22:41,389
Yes.

5954
03:22:41,389 --> 03:22:42,000
>> we're already adjourned.