[1:06] >> Mayor: good evening.
[1:06] If we can all -- we'd like to
[1:09] call this meeting to order.
[1:14] Thank you.
[1:14] Roll call?
[1:17] >> commissioner joseph?
[1:17] >> here.
[1:17] >> commissioner lama?
[1:21] >> here.
[1:22] >> commissioner stuyvesant?
[1:22] >> here.
[1:23] >> vice mayor viscarra?
[1:24] >> here.
[1:24] >> mayor goldman?
[1:24] >> Mayor: here.
[1:29] >> all members present, ma'am.
[1:31] >> Mayor: pledge of allegiance?
[1:32] Will you lead us in the pledge
[1:36] of allegiance?
[1:58] [Pledge of allegiance]
[1:59] >> Mayor: approval of the
[1:59] minutes.
[2:00] Can we have a motion?
[2:06] >> motion.
[2:08] >> Mayor: so moved.
[2:09] Second, commissioner stuyvesant.
[2:09] All in favor?
[2:09] [Ayes]
[2:12] Okay.
[2:13] Ladies and gentlemen, welcome
[2:13] and thank you for being here
[2:16] tonight.
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[2:21] electronic devices to avoid
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[2:24] before the city commission, we
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[2:27] respect for one another, by
[2:30] listening quietly to each person
[2:31] speaking, and that everyone
[2:33] refrain from any clapping,
[2:34] heckling, or verbal outburst in
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[2:37] speaker.
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[2:40] to chapter 74, rules of
[2:43] procedure of the code,
[2:44] particularly section 74-21,
[2:45] decorum, shall be barred from
[2:46] further appearance before the
[2:48] commission.
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[2:54] to fill out a public speakers
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[3:00] clerk before the item is called.
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[3:03] the issues, make comments
[3:06] concise and to the point, and
[3:09] refrain from making any
[3:09] duplicate comments.
[3:11] All speakers will be limited to
[3:12] one three-minute comment per
[3:13] item.
[3:15] If you exceed the three-minute
[3:16] allotment the chair will advise
[3:17] you to finish your comment.
[3:19] If you speak out of turn without
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[3:20] -
[3:21] you don't cease speaking after
[3:22] one warning you will be escorted
[3:23] out of the chambers.
[3:24] But first, we do have the
[3:24] invocation.
[3:32] So, rabbi baron,.
[3:32] From sunny isles beach.
[3:34] Thank you very much.
[3:35] -
[3:35] >> thank you.
[3:40] >> Mayor: for your invocation.
[3:42] >> dear GOD, master of the
[3:44] universe, we stand humbled
[3:46] before you this evening, as we
[3:49] recognize all of your blessings,
[3:51] that you have bestowed upon us,
[3:52] collectively as a community, an
[3:53] individually as private
[3:56] citizens.
[3:58] We recognize the blessings of
[3:59] living in a democratic country,
[4:00] and we do not take this for
[4:03] granted.
[4:05] We're mindful of that, that you
[4:07] have left the city with
[4:08] donnerful leadership, direction,
[4:10] dedication, guiding spirit,
[4:12] which has resulted in many
[4:13] successful achievements over the
[4:15] last 25 years here in sunny
[4:15] isles beach, and we praise you
[4:18] for this.
[4:20] We recognize that we are
[4:22] gathered before you this evening
[4:23] in pursuit of fulfilling your
[4:23] wishes.
[4:26] As you, dear GOD, empowered
[4:28] humanity with the seven basic
[4:30] universal laws, after the great
[4:32] flood of noah, these laws are
[4:35] once again reaffirmed by moses
[4:37] at mount sinai to be taught to
[4:39] all humanity.
[4:41] Universal laws that provide a
[4:43] framework of law, order, and
[4:44] justice, which will allow
[4:46] humanity to settle the earth in
[4:47] a civilized manner.
[4:50] We recognize that we have been
[4:53] entrusted by the citizens of
[4:54] sunny isles beach to perform
[4:56] this sacred duty.
[4:58] We recognize that our decisions
[5:00] will have a lasting impact far
[5:02] into the future.
[5:04] We, therefore, almighty GOD,
[5:06] please, provide us with the
[5:07] consciousness to constantly be
[5:10] aware of your presence, so that
[5:12] we are consistent to our
[5:13] mandate.
[5:15] Please grant us the wisdom,
[5:17] intuition, and sensitivity to
[5:19] succeed so that we leave a
[5:21] legacy of having a positive
[5:21] impact upon society for many
[5:25] generations to come.
[5:26] Please guide our police
[5:27] department and city staff to
[5:30] make the right decisions with
[5:34] honesty, integrity, and
[5:35] knowledge for all citizens into
[5:36] the future.
[5:37] MAY they continue to serve as
[5:40] positive role models for our
[5:42] beautiful community almighty
[5:43] GOD, in these times we do not
[5:44] take our safety and security for
[5:46] granted.
[5:50] protect our police force, our
[5:51] servicemen and women serving
[5:54] domestically and overseas in the
[5:55] name of freedom and democracy.
[5:56] Please give them the peace of
[5:58] mind, insight and intuition to
[5:59] be successful.
[6:00] MAY everyone gathered here
[6:01] tonight, and all the residents
[6:03] of sunny isles beach, be granted
[6:05] with good health, peace of mind,
[6:06] and prosperity and let us say
[6:09] amen.
[6:10] >> amen.
[6:12] >> and as hanukkah begins this
[6:13] sunday night, also want to wish
[6:15] everyone a happy hanukkah.
[6:17] And I'm looking forward to
[6:20] seeing everyone here an monday
[6:22] at 5:00 P.M. For the city hall
[6:22] menorah lighting.
[6:25] >> Mayor: thank you, rabbi.
[6:25] Okay.
[6:29] There are a few changes
[6:31] tonight's agenda as follows.
[6:34] Add orb on item 5-b presentation
[6:36] by the map sec.
[6:38] Item 10-h resolution approving
[6:40] third amendment with granicus.
[6:43] 10-I resolution authorizing
[6:48] purchase of janitorial supplies.
[6:50] 10-j urging florida legislature
[6:52] to support league of cities
[6:52] platform.
[6:55] And additional information 7-a
[6:56] ordinance approving budget
[6:56] amendment.
[6:57] Do I hear a motion to approve
[6:58] these changes?
[7:00] >> so moved.
[7:02] >> Mayor: so moved commissioner
[7:02] lama.
[7:05] Second vice mayor viscarra.
[7:05] All in favor.
[7:05] [Ayes]
[7:07] Okay.
[7:09] Special presentations.
[7:17] The 2023 photo contest winners.
[7:20] >> good evening honorable mayor,
[7:21] vice mayor and commission.
[7:22] each year the city of sunny
[7:24] isles beach holds a photo
[7:26] contest, asking residents and
[7:27] visitors to submit their best
[7:28] photos, showcasing the beauty of
[7:31] sunny isles beach.
[7:33] 17 photos by 14 photographers
[7:36] were selected this year, and are
[7:37] featured in our 2023 desktop
[7:37] calendar.
[7:40] We have some extremely talented
[7:41] photographers living here in the
[7:41] city.
[7:41] And we received many beautiful
[7:44] submissions.
[7:46] While not all of them with be
[7:47] featured in our calendar, many
[7:48] you'll see throughout the
[7:50] upcoming year on our website,
[7:53] our publications, and on our
[7:54] social media pages.
[7:57] I would also like to recognize
[7:58] laura mendez, a graphic designer
[8:00] who designs our desktop calendar
[8:02] and all of our publications and
[8:02] graphics.
[8:04] She always does a fantastic job
[8:04] designing and putting together
[8:05] our calendar and this year is no
[8:07] exception.
[8:09] So, as I call each winner's
[8:10] name, please come up to the
[8:11] front for your award, and stay
[8:17] here so we can all take a photo.
[8:22] Our cover photo, is by johan
[8:23] andres alzate torres.
[8:23] Johan is from colombia and has
[8:24] been living in the united states
[8:26] for three years.
[8:29] His dream was to study
[8:30] photography, and since moving to
[8:31] the U.S. He has been able to do
[8:33] so graduating as a photographer
[8:35] just one month ago.
[8:35] Our introduction page is mozes
[8:39] ban.
[8:40] Mozes is a professional
[8:40] photographer who has been a
[8:45] resident for ten years.
[8:50] JANUARY is mat porporato.
[8:52] mat has been a resident for four
[8:57] years and loves the city of
[8:58] sunny isles beach, architecture
[9:01] is his favorite things to
[9:02] photograph.
[9:07] FEBRUARY is by antony broca.
[9:09] As a photograph he loves to
[9:12] explore, have adventures and
[9:13] watch sunsets.
[9:13] MARCH is another photo by johan
[9:19] andres alzate torres.
[9:23] APRIL is by luz zoraida liakos.
[9:24] Luz is a proud resident from
[9:25] 2012 and founds sunny isles
[9:26] beach to be an ideal place to
[9:30] capture beautiful photos.
[9:30] MAY is another photo by mat
[9:36] porporato.
[9:39] JUNE is by rebecca mullen.
[9:40] Rebecca works for our code
[9:42] compliance department since
[9:43] 2019.
[9:44] And has since fallen in love
[9:45] with the captivating views and
[9:46] community that is sunny isles
[9:48] beach.
[9:49] JULY is another photo by mozes
[9:54] ban.
[9:58] AUGUST is by farid alvarez.
[9:59] Born in colombia and raised in
[10:02] miami, farid is an airplane
[10:05] parts inspector who has worked
[10:06] for boeing for ten years.
[10:06] He enjoys photography as his
[10:11] second job.
[10:18] [Applause]
[10:19] If you could stay up here we're
[10:21] going to take a photo
[10:21] afterwards.
[10:24] Thanks.
[10:29] SEPTEMBER is amr elkodsh.
[10:32] OCTOBER is by ricardo tomassoni.
[10:33] Ricardo moved to sunny isles
[10:34] beach in 2000 and you'll often
[10:36] see him around the city with a
[10:38] camera photographing the beauty
[10:38] of sunny isles beach and the
[10:39] people who live here.
[10:47] [Applause]
[10:50] NOVEMBER is giovanni galvis.
[10:52] he has been a resident for seven
[10:52] years.
[10:52] He has a wife and two wonderful
[10:53] sons.
[10:57] [Applause]
[10:59] DECEMBER is by david vergel.
[11:00] David has lived in sunny isles
[11:02] beach for 15 years, and enjoys
[11:05] taking photos as a hobby.
[11:09] [Applause]
[11:12] The photography page is by --
[11:14] okay.
[11:17] The photography page is by
[11:19] christina perreira.
[11:20] Christina is a resident who
[11:21] moved here from south america.
[11:23] She is a pilot and loves to do
[11:24] photography in her free time.
[11:29] [Applause]
[11:33] The connect with us page is by
[11:34] luis eduardo martinez mejia.
[11:36] Luis was born in bogota where he
[11:37] studied photography.
[11:39] He is currently dedicated to
[11:40] painting and his photography.
[11:48] [Applause]
[11:49] And our last page is by raysa
[11:50] brito.
[11:52] Born in cuba, raysa is a wife
[11:54] and mother who has been a
[11:56] cosmetologist for 38 years.
[11:57] She has a passion for
[11:58] photography and loves to capture
[11:58] priceless moments.
[12:03] [Applause]
[12:04] Mayor commission, if you would
[12:05] coe down and we to take a
[12:25] photo.
[12:26] And when everyone leaves tonight
[12:29] you can take a free calendar in
[12:31] the back of the room.
[12:32] And you can also pick them up at
[13:02] all of our city facilities.
[13:29] We have one more award to
[13:36] present tonight.
[13:38] This year we are presenting a
[13:39] lifetime achievement award
[13:39] honoring a special resident
[13:43] artist.
[13:50] Mykola khodorovsky who passed
[13:51] away in OCTOBER of this year.
[13:54] He's been featured in our photo
[13:56] desktop calendar more than any
[13:57] other photographer.
[13:58] You've probably seen his
[13:58] beautiful photographs from the
[14:00] city's publications, website and
[14:02] social media many times.
[14:03] He also donated his framed
[14:05] photography and paintings to the
[14:07] city and our police department.
[14:09] His generosity in sharing his
[14:13] talents with our city have been
[14:13] greatly appreciated by all of us
[14:14] for many years.
[14:16] We would like to present his
[14:18] wife lyudmila, who is here with
[14:20] us tonight, with a special
[14:23] award, and gift in honor of
[14:25] mykola's artistic contributions
[14:26] to our city's image and culture
[14:29] over the years.
[14:56] [Applause]
[15:36] [Speaker off mic]
[16:06] [Applause]
[16:25] >> Mayor: okay.
[16:29] We're moving to zoning.
[16:31] >> no, mayor, we have 5-b.
[16:32] >> Mayor: 5-b?
[16:33] >> yes.
[16:35] >> Mayor: oh, the add-on.
[16:39] >> the add-on.
[16:41] >> Mayor: oh, the mapsac.
[16:44] Ped stan safety recommendation.
[16:45] Presented by the mobility and
[16:46] pedestrian safety advisory
[16:50] committee.
[16:51] You have the floor.
[16:52] >> thank you.
[16:55] Good evening, honorable mayor,
[16:57] vice mayor, commissioners.
[17:00] My name is pavel, I'm the chair
[17:01] of the mobility and safety
[17:01] committee.
[17:04] For the benefit of the public
[17:05] here, I'd like to state that the
[17:08] committee was formed through a
[17:09] formal application process and
[17:11] our purpose and mission is to
[17:12] promote traffic safety in our
[17:14] beautiful city, as well as
[17:16] pedestrian safety, and to
[17:18] generate and discuss ideas for
[17:18] improving traffic flow in the
[17:20] city of sunny isles beach.
[17:23] And we are volunteers,
[17:24] contributing our time,
[17:26] contributing our efforts, and
[17:26] minds, to this very important
[17:32] initiative.
[17:36] The mapsecond committee over
[17:41] past two meetings discussed the
[17:42] intersections concerning the
[17:44] protection of pedestrians
[17:46] crossing from turning vehicles.
[17:47] And we would like to highlight
[17:48] the points of automated
[17:50] enforcement using cameras and/or
[17:51] other equipment possible in
[17:51] addition to establishing this
[17:56] protection.
[17:57] There's significant evidence to
[17:59] support the idea that automated
[18:02] enforcement using traffic
[18:03] cameras that capture turn
[18:05] violations lead to safer
[18:06] crossings for pedestrians.
[18:07] In the memo that we provided,
[18:09] there's several studies.
[18:11] I'm just going to highlight a
[18:11] few numbers.
[18:12] The american journal of public
[18:14] health found that the presence
[18:18] of red light cameras lead to a
[18:21] reduction, 21% reduction, in
[18:21] pedestrian fatalities, and 14%
[18:24] reduction in pedestrian
[18:25] injuries.
[18:27] And this was from the data
[18:30] collected from 14 cities across
[18:32] the united states.
[18:33] General transport and health do
[18:36] a study of over 200 sections in
[18:37] the city in chicago found that
[18:39] these kind of automated
[18:41] enforcement cameras lead to 25%
[18:41] reduction in the number of
[18:46] crashes involving a pedestrian.
[18:47] And lastly the american journal
[18:49] of public health did a study on
[18:52] red light violations, found that
[18:54] red light violations decreased
[18:56] by up to 90%, and the number of
[18:57] crashes at intersections
[18:58] decreased by up to 30% in the
[19:01] presence of these automated
[19:08] enforcement cameras.
[19:08] So, there's significant evidence
[19:12] from formal studies, but also
[19:16] there's support in this kind of
[19:17] experience, by the residents of
[19:20] our neighboring city, the city
[19:21] of aventura, they've been very
[19:22] supportive in the red light
[19:23] cameras installed in their city,
[19:25] and if you drive through the
[19:26] city of aventura you'll notice
[19:28] that everyone there is kind of a
[19:29] model driver.
[19:31] You know, very careful in
[19:32] approaching intersections.
[19:33] Doing their proper red light
[19:33] stops, and proceeding
[19:38] thereafter.
[19:40] And so, I am here presenting
[19:41] this memo.
[19:43] If you have any questions,
[19:45] please let us know.
[19:48] But, before I conclude I'd like
[19:50] to thank you for establishing
[19:51] the mapsac committee.
[19:53] I'd like to thank the city staff
[19:55] in facilitating our meetings and
[19:57] supporting us with all the
[19:58] information that we need to have
[19:59] to proceed.
[20:04] And lastly I'd like to thank our
[20:06] mapsac committee members,
[20:11] kenneth percy, anastasia, and
[20:12] mariana, in contributing and
[20:13] working really hard.
[20:16] I know all of us are eager to
[20:20] continue in the coming year, and
[20:21] we'll look forward to
[20:22] volunteering and continuing with
[20:22] mapsac.
[20:22] Thank you.
[20:35] [Applause]
[20:36] >> Mayor: ready for our zoning
[20:36] portion?
[20:39] >> yes, ma'am.
[20:40] >> Mayor: ladies and gentlemen,
[20:40] this evening's agenda has one
[20:43] zoning application.
[20:46] In these matters, the commission
[20:47] sits in a quasi-judicial
[20:47] capacity.
[20:49] The decision of whether or not
[20:51] to approve a zoning variance is
[20:53] not a popularity contest but
[20:54] must be based upon substantial,
[20:54] competent evidence, as it
[20:57] presented tonight.
[20:59] If you intend to provide
[21:00] testimony on any zoning
[21:01] application, you must be sworn
[21:04] in by the city clerk, and you
[21:06] should also fill out a public
[21:08] speakers card and give it to the
[21:09] city clerk before the item is
[21:10] called.
[21:11] We will first hear from city
[21:12] staff and then from the
[21:12] applicant.
[21:14] After this, I will allow anyone
[21:16] from the audience who has been
[21:17] sworn in to provide testimony.
[21:18] The zoning applicant has the
[21:20] right to cross-examine any
[21:21] witness, and for rebuttal.
[21:21] Please make your comments
[21:24] concisely.
[21:29] MR. City clerk, please read your
[21:29] introductory zoning statement.
[21:31] >> in accordance with the LDRs
[21:32] of the city of sunny isles beach
[21:33] all items to be heard today have
[21:35] been legally advertised in the
[21:36] newspaper, notices have been
[21:37] mailed and posted on the
[21:37] property.
[21:39] All persons wishing to speak at
[21:40] this hearing please raise your
[21:43] right arm to be sworn in.
[21:44] Do you swear the testimony
[21:45] you're about to give is the
[21:45] truth, the whole truth and
[21:46] nothing but the truth so help
[21:48] you GOD?
[21:51] Thank you.
[21:54] so this is an application for a
[21:55] minor site plan modification for
[21:57] the property located at 100,
[22:02] 150, 200 and 300 kings point
[22:02] drive.
[22:05] The project known as marina del
[22:06] mar.
[22:07] I'm sorry.
[22:09] Before we continue, are there
[22:13] any ex parte communications?
[22:14] >> no.
[22:15] >> what are they?
[22:23] We have to disclose who it was?
[22:28] >> Mayor: I ask questions of --
[22:29] >> good evening mayor, vice
[22:31] mayor, commissioners, the zoning
[22:32] hearing this evening as you
[22:37] heard is a proposed site plan
[22:38] modification for marina del mar
[22:42] at 100, 150, 200 and 300 kings
[22:44] point drive.
[22:49] This is application pz 2022-09.
[22:50] It was approved for two
[22:52] apartment towers, a new
[22:53] apartment garage and remodeling
[22:55] of the existing apartment tower.
[22:56] The applicant is proposing four
[22:58] separate minor modifications
[22:59] which I will walk through now.
[23:00] And the applicant will also
[23:02] provide a presentation with
[23:05] further explanation and will
[23:07] also be available for questions.
[23:08] First the applicant is
[23:10] requesting to eliminate a cable
[23:12] railing system along the water
[23:16] front of the property.
[23:17] The property has two water
[23:22] frontages at the north and
[23:22] south.
[23:25] And it's providing -- they were
[23:27] highlighted on the screen.
[23:30] So the property has two water
[23:31] frontages and is providing
[23:32] public walk that's highlighted
[23:33] along the water frontages.
[23:35] In the original site plan
[23:38] approval there was a four foot
[23:39] cable railing proposed between
[23:40] the bay walk and the seawall,
[23:41] the detail of which is also
[23:42] shown on the screen.
[23:44] And the railing is not required
[23:45] by the zoning code or the
[23:47] building code.
[23:48] So the applicant is requesting
[23:49] to eliminate the cable railing
[23:52] from the plan.
[23:54] Staff does not object to this
[23:54] modification, as it is
[23:56] consistent with the city's
[23:57] comprehensive plan, and the land
[24:02] development regulations.
[24:06] Second the applicant is
[24:08] requesting to modify the
[24:09] entryway signage for the
[24:10] property.
[24:11] It's at the intersection of
[24:13] kings point drive and collins
[24:13] avenue.
[24:15] The approved site plan showed
[24:17] two blue city monument signs on
[24:19] the north and south side of
[24:20] kings point drive.
[24:22] The proposed modification is to
[24:23] install one city monument sign
[24:26] on the south side of kings point
[24:28] drive, and a development sign on
[24:29] the north side of kings point
[24:31] drive.
[24:33] Staff does not object to this
[24:34] modification as it's consistent
[24:35] with the comprehensive plan, and
[24:35] the city's land development
[24:41] regulations.
[24:43] The third request is to modify a
[24:44] condition of approval from 2017,
[24:44] with regards to the project
[24:47] workforce housing.
[24:51] The project is required to
[24:52] provide 35 dedicated workforce
[24:55] housing units in the existing
[24:57] remodeled apartment building.
[25:02] Condition 22 of resolution
[25:04] 17-v-161 require the development
[25:05] to record a restrictive covenant
[25:07] with the number of units to be
[25:08] dedicated to the workforce
[25:10] housing program and their
[25:10] location.
[25:13] so, the resulting restrictive
[25:15] covenant would give 35 specific
[25:15] unit numbers.
[25:16] The management company would
[25:17] like a little bit more
[25:18] flexibility with regard to
[25:22] leasing the units.
[25:23] And would like to amend the
[25:26] covenant to remove the 35
[25:27] specific unit numbers, while
[25:30] maintaining the unit mix, and
[25:33] maintaining that the units will
[25:35] be located on multiple floors.
[25:37] Staff does not object to this
[25:37] modification.
[25:39] Subject to the condition that
[25:41] the applicant must record an
[25:41] amended covenant in a form
[25:47] accessible to the city attorney.
[25:49] The final and fourth
[25:50] modification, the applicant is
[25:51] requesting to construct a
[25:53] residential marina with 18
[25:55] slips.
[25:59] The property is zoned rms-2 or
[26:00] medium high density residential,
[26:02] and marinas are permitted
[26:05] accessory use in this zoning
[26:05] district to residential
[26:06] development.
[26:08] Staff has no objection to the
[26:09] marina if the condition of
[26:10] approval applies operational
[26:10] limitations such as the
[26:14] following.
[26:15] Vessel movement is to be
[26:17] restricted to the hours between
[26:19] 6:00 A.M. And 12:00 A.M. But can
[26:21] be extended in cases of
[26:22] emergency or weather events.
[26:24] No fuelling or pump-out services
[26:28] are to be provided.
[26:31] There are no live aboards
[26:32] allowed.
[26:33] Proof of living in the
[26:34] development is required for
[26:35] leasing a slip.
[26:37] Vessels cannot be rented to any
[26:38] individual for any amount of
[26:39] time or used for any commercial
[26:41] activity including jet ski
[26:42] rentals.
[26:43] That the marina must be managed
[26:47] by a dock moster.
[26:48] In working with the applicant
[26:50] and speaking with our legal
[26:51] department it was determined
[26:55] that the condition that's listed
[26:56] in the staff report providing
[26:58] for a restrictive covenant
[26:59] concerning the operational
[27:01] limitations I just described is
[27:02] not necessary.
[27:03] As the city can enforce the
[27:04] limitations that I just
[27:06] described in conditions through
[27:08] the site plan approval and
[27:09] city's code.
[27:11] With that, the applicant is
[27:11] present.
[27:21] I'm available for any questions.
[27:22] >> good evening, mayor and
[27:28] members of the commission.
[27:30] Akerman llp representing the
[27:30] applicant.
[27:33] We have a brief presentation, if
[27:41] we could be put forward.
[27:44] Thank you.
[27:45] The planning director's report
[27:47] was very comprehensive and laid
[27:49] out all of the reasons for the
[27:51] changes that are being
[27:51] requested, and fit well within
[27:57] the provisions of the city's
[27:57] code.
[27:58] But just to briefly repeat, next
[28:02] slide, please.
[28:03] The four changes are to
[28:04] eliminate the cable railing
[28:06] along the seawalls, to improve
[28:09] the entryway signage, to modify
[28:11] the workforce housing covenant
[28:13] to allow greater flexibility to
[28:14] evenly distribute the units
[28:15] throughout the building, without
[28:17] any change to the number,
[28:20] quality or type of units
[28:20] provided.
[28:22] And to construct a previously
[28:25] existing 18-slip residential
[28:27] marina restricted to use by
[28:29] upland owners only, and subject
[28:32] to the other voluntarily
[28:34] proffered conditions, as stated
[28:35] by the planning director this
[28:35] evening.
[28:38] Before I proceed with the rest
[28:41] of the presentation, I think
[28:44] it's important to note that the
[28:46] brunetti family has owned this
[28:47] property for nearly 40 years.
[28:49] And this is a long-term hold.
[28:51] They have redeveloped the
[28:53] property, as you know, the
[28:55] existing building, building two
[28:57] new residential rental
[28:57] buildings.
[28:58] And so they are owners.
[29:00] They are not going to be
[29:01] building it, selling it, and
[29:01] leaving town.
[29:05] They're going to be operating
[29:05] it.
[29:07] And so, they are more concerned
[29:09] than anyone that they have a
[29:10] quality property that attracts
[29:11] good tenants.
[29:11] We can go to the next slide,
[29:15] please.
[29:17] You see number one is
[29:18] eliminating the cable railings
[29:20] that were in the original
[29:21] approved plan.
[29:25] This shows the site behind the
[29:25] building today.
[29:26] Next slide, please.
[29:28] The improved signage, which I
[29:29] think the planning director has
[29:30] already explained to you, so we
[29:31] go to the next slide which also
[29:36] shows the signage, as well.
[29:38] And then if we can go to the
[29:41] next slide, and I think the
[29:43] planning director again, has
[29:44] succinctly explained the
[29:45] modifications to the workforce
[29:46] housing covenant.
[29:47] So I won't take your time in
[29:48] going through that further at
[29:49] this moment.
[29:53] next slide, please.
[29:54] The residential marina.
[29:58] As was mentioned, or as you MAY
[29:59] know, there has always been,
[30:00] historically on this property,
[30:04] and operating marina, which was
[30:05] destroyed during a hurricane,
[30:07] and now they are seeking to
[30:09] rebuild it.
[30:10] It is, of course, a permitted
[30:12] accessory use to a residential
[30:12] property.
[30:15] Next slide, please.
[30:17] And besides if they didn't have
[30:20] a marina they'd have to change
[30:23] it from marina del mar to del
[30:23] mar.
[30:25] That's one of the attractive
[30:27] things is that it's a beautiful
[30:27] waterfront property.
[30:28] There you see where the marina
[30:28] will be located.
[30:33] Next slide, please.
[30:34] And then the next slide.
[30:37] This one, as you see, the use is
[30:38] permitted by-right.
[30:41] Wet dockage of moorage or
[30:42] private noncommercial pleasure
[30:44] craft in connection with any
[30:44] residential use.
[30:45] And this is strictly limited to
[30:48] residential use.
[30:55] So the proposed marina is
[30:56] consistent with the definition
[30:58] and will serve as permitted
[31:00] by-right accessory use to the
[31:00] upland residential property.
[31:01] Next slide.
[31:03] I won't repeat everything the
[31:04] planning director said but this
[31:04] slide sets forth the conditions
[31:08] that we have agreed to.
[31:09] And that have been as verbally
[31:12] stated this evening by the
[31:13] planning director.
[31:17] Next slide, please.
[31:18] As I think you are aware, that
[31:22] the city's scope of review is
[31:23] limited to the site plan review
[31:26] criteria.
[31:28] city staff has determined that
[31:29] all of the applicant's
[31:31] proposals, including the marina,
[31:33] are minor site plan
[31:34] modifications, that are in
[31:36] compliance with the relevant
[31:37] code criteria, and could have
[31:40] been approved administratively.
[31:41] The city manager has elected to
[31:44] seek your input on this.
[31:47] And finally, next slide.
[31:49] Just to repeat some of the
[31:52] history on this, the proposed
[31:53] marina replaces what was a
[31:55] longtime existing marina that
[31:56] was destroyed by hurricane wilma
[31:59] in 2005.
[32:01] This marina fulfills the
[32:05] complete vision of the wider
[32:09] recently reinvigorated marina
[32:09] del mar project.
[32:09] And, in fact, enhances the
[32:10] quality of the project and the
[32:13] quality of the residential
[32:13] environment at the marina.
[32:15] The marina was in continuous
[32:17] operation for nearly 40 years
[32:18] before it was destroyed by the
[32:21] hurricane.
[32:22] Even after the hurricane, the
[32:25] applicant has paid taxes on the
[32:27] marina, since it was destroyed.
[32:31] The applicant has prioritized
[32:32] upland redevelopment and the
[32:33] fortified seawall and now seek
[32:35] to reinvest in the marina, as
[32:36] well.
[32:39] And finally, miami-dade county
[32:40] environmental resources
[32:41] management has performed a
[32:43] preliminary review of the
[32:46] proposed marina, and confirmed
[32:46] its consistency with key
[32:47] regulatory provisions.
[32:49] Next slide.
[32:51] So with that we ask for your
[32:53] approval for these minor
[32:54] modifications.
[32:56] Wth me this evening, as well, a
[33:00] representative of the ownership
[33:03] of the property, don dissinger,
[33:04] and richard roth.
[33:05] We're available to answer any
[33:08] questions you have and if
[33:08] necessary would request brief
[33:09] response to any comment.
[33:09] Thank you very much.
[33:11] Yes, sir?
[33:12] >> my first question would be
[33:19] regarding the railing on the
[33:20] seawall.
[33:21] Since it was your idea to have
[33:22] it originally, what was the
[33:22] reasoning behind having the
[33:26] railing?
[33:27] >> I might ask don to come
[33:32] forward.
[33:34] I think, I think, commissioner,
[33:36] that was before they were really
[33:40] focusing on the development of
[33:41] marina.
[33:42] And when they got to the point
[33:45] of deciding they were going to
[33:46] redevelop the previously
[33:48] existing marina, then that
[33:49] wouldn't be an appropriate
[33:49] placement there.
[33:55] Don?
[33:59] >> we have some public speakers.
[34:01] So, we can do the public
[34:01] speakers --
[34:04] >> you want to hold off on that?
[34:06] >> yeah, we can proceed with the
[34:06] public speakers.
[34:07] >> sorry, gentlemen.
[34:07] >> Mayor: we'll ask questions.
[34:11] We'll ask questions.
[34:13] Okay, well first public speaker
[34:17] is don dissinger.
[34:19] There you go.
[34:20] You didn't have a long ride
[34:20] there.
[34:20] Okay.
[34:25] >> so I was sworn in earlier.
[34:25] I did submit my --
[34:26] >> Mayor: state your name and
[34:30] address for the record.
[34:31] >> I'm don dissinger residence
[34:33] is 100 kings point drive.
[34:37] In sunny isles beach.
[34:39] and I am the chief development
[34:41] officer for the brunetti
[34:45] organization and have been
[34:46] involved with this project since
[34:52] 2016, in various iterations of
[34:52] development.
[34:55] So, to address your question,
[34:58] MR. Joseph, so, in the course of
[35:01] developing the project in the
[35:05] early submissions, the landscape
[35:07] architect proposed the railings
[35:08] as part of the overall design.
[35:10] By the time we developed both
[35:11] the towers, and all of the
[35:13] platforms for the tower, all of
[35:15] the safety issues that would be
[35:17] related to the higher level
[35:18] buildings were built into the
[35:20] building, so we have glass
[35:21] railings around all the
[35:22] buildings, and what we've seen
[35:25] in the other areas in town is
[35:31] that there's a lot of use along
[35:33] the fortified seawalls where
[35:36] people are enjoying firing and
[35:38] doing other things, so we saw
[35:39] that as an amenity to the
[35:41] community now that we have the
[35:42] easement for the bay walk around
[35:43] all our properties.
[35:45] And we see a lot of dog walking,
[35:46] fishing, and things like that
[35:48] already going on.
[35:50] So our thought was, it's not
[35:53] being required to enhance the
[35:54] amenity of the new seawalls,
[35:56] which are elevated higher than
[35:57] the other seawalls, and quite
[35:59] safe in terms of flooding and
[36:01] everything else, it's just a
[36:01] better look and feel for the
[36:04] overall community, we thought.
[36:07] And that was our reason for not
[36:10] building that railing.
[36:12] >> so the original idea of the
[36:14] railing, it was for fancy rather
[36:15] than safety?
[36:21] >> no, I think ultimately, and I
[36:23] can't speak for our landscape
[36:24] architect, but I think in
[36:25] general he felt that it was
[36:28] required.
[36:30] And we learned long after that
[36:31] that it wasn't.
[36:34] And then when we saw the use of
[36:36] the bay walk, we felt it would
[36:38] be better to allow it for
[36:40] people -- and I will be honest,
[36:44] fishing is a big thing around
[36:46] saul of those areas so we see a
[36:47] lot of people coming to our
[36:48] property to do those things.
[36:49] So that's, I think, how it
[36:53] evolved.
[36:55] >> okay.
[36:57] So, how do you plan on keeping
[36:59] small children away from the
[37:00] edge of the seawall?
[37:02] >> well, we have about anywhere
[37:06] from six to ten inches of rise
[37:09] there, along the bay walk.
[37:11] And it seems like all the other
[37:12] bay walks, even right adjacent
[37:14] to us, where we have the
[37:16] children's park, there's a good
[37:18] 10 feet of space, which is used
[37:20] by families walking dogs and
[37:24] things, between poinciana and
[37:27] ours, that have very similar
[37:27] situation.
[37:29] So I think it's -- I think it's
[37:32] a fairly safe environment.
[37:33] >> so this railing wouldn't in
[37:35] any way keep children away from
[37:37] the seawall?
[37:40] >> it might.
[37:42] But I think the curb itself
[37:44] keeps them on the walkway.
[37:48] The bulkhead itself is too deep.
[37:50] So, it just seems similar to
[37:54] what we've seen elsewhere in the
[37:55] city on sunny isles beach.
[37:56] And we think it's kind of
[37:59] compatible with the way people
[38:01] use the edge, the water edge in
[38:01] the community.
[38:07] >> no, I understand that on many
[38:09] seawalls there is no, you know,
[38:10] any barrier for children.
[38:12] But since you already have it
[38:15] incorporated in your plan, I was
[38:17] just thinking, you know, if it
[38:19] is -- if there is any type of
[38:21] safety involved with it, why
[38:22] remove it?
[38:24] >> we discussed that with our
[38:25] in-house insurance and
[38:25] everything.
[38:27] We think it's reasonably safe as
[38:29] it's currently designed.
[38:31] Which is why we asked to remove
[38:31] it.
[38:32] >> okay.
[38:33] I appreciate it.
[38:33] Thank you.
[38:38] >> thank you.
[38:43] Any other questions for me?
[38:44] >> Mayor: you want to -- we'll
[38:45] continue with the public
[38:45] speakers.
[38:53] Thank you.
[38:54] -- rafael.
[38:55] Please state your name and
[39:01] address for the record.
[39:02] >> I'm a resident of poinciana.
[39:09] Sunny isles beach.
[39:13] Rafael masterson.
[39:15] I'm actually right across the
[39:16] plan marina.
[39:18] So maybe one of the questions I
[39:21] have is obviously very
[39:21] concerning to have that
[39:23] construction, so wondering how
[39:24] long that project will last, if
[39:28] it is to be approved.
[39:29] If I could get someone to
[39:29] comment?
[39:31] >> Mayor: go ahead.
[39:33] We've had our seawall under
[39:37] construction for quite some
[39:37] time.
[39:38] >> right.
[39:38] >> Mayor: perhaps I don't know
[39:41] if you'd like to address that or
[39:49] answer that question?
[39:49] >>.
[39:49] [Speaker off mic]
[39:50] >> Mayor: six months.
[39:52] >> so as you know from my
[39:54] experience living in the same
[39:55] place, it took six months just
[39:57] to get the permit, after permit,
[39:58] after permit to get it done.
[40:02] It took basically more than a
[40:03] year.
[40:03] And I only moved in this year to
[40:04] sunny isles.
[40:06] So that was one, my first
[40:06] concern.
[40:08] The second one we only are now
[40:12] in our island 43 boats.
[40:13] And the concern is safety.
[40:16] So how is adding 18 boats will
[40:18] increase the safety of manatees,
[40:20] that's clearly not clear to me.
[40:22] >> Mayor: yeah, I mean for me,
[40:26] you know, I know this was
[40:27] articulated, but the 18 slips
[40:28] were already there.
[40:29] I mean, this was already a
[40:33] permitted item.
[40:34] Right?
[40:35] So it's not like they just --
[40:37] they're creating 18 new slips.
[40:41] Yes, there was a force majeure
[40:43] event that created that -- that
[40:45] demolished that or eviscerated
[40:45] the permit.
[40:51] But there were pre-existing 18
[40:52] permitted slips before or when
[40:53] we had ours.
[40:56] So, you know, I'm not sure I see
[40:56] that as a --
[40:59] >> I mean I'm just concerned, if
[41:01] I'm being not allowed to put a
[41:03] boat on my pier, which I have a
[41:05] permit to have one, and I have
[41:07] one built, and at the same time
[41:08] we're hearing about 18 more
[41:10] boats, much larger than what I'm
[41:12] planning to get, and that
[41:13] suddenly is allowed.
[41:14] >> Mayor: is that boat -- I
[41:16] guess the -- I guess the
[41:16] question then is, I mean, is
[41:24] there any -- I mean is there
[41:26] any -- what would the poinciana
[41:28] marine slip permitting is that
[41:29] related at all to the marina del
[41:29] mar permitting?
[41:31] isn't that part of your own --
[41:33] isn't that part of your own site
[41:33] plan?
[41:35] >> I can't speak as to their
[41:35] permitting.
[41:38] But mayor, as you pointed out,
[41:39] "a," there was historically this
[41:41] marina there for many, many
[41:46] years, for decades.
[41:48] "b," remember, derm has already
[41:49] preliminarily approved that.
[41:50] And derm is one of the first
[41:52] things they assessed is if there
[41:55] would be any impact on manatee
[41:56] and seagrasses.
[41:58] So derm has approved it.
[41:58] It's historically been there.
[42:01] It's not changing in any way the
[42:03] intensity of what has been
[42:03] there.
[42:04] >> Mayor: for me that was the
[42:07] first question that I had.
[42:07] Like, you know, well where do
[42:10] these marina slips come?
[42:11] That's why I asked the owner's
[42:12] rep about that.
[42:13] Then from at least what the
[42:14] information that I got was that
[42:15] these 18 slips were around for a
[42:18] long time.
[42:20] >> is there any way to get this
[42:21] information publicly available
[42:26] for us so we can actually
[42:28] somehow study showing us in
[42:30] addition to the 43 we have,
[42:32] which is very limited us as a
[42:33] residence of poinciana island,
[42:35] and at the same time there's 18
[42:36] more and that's obviously would
[42:39] be safe, so just in this isle
[42:41] which is really where I live,
[42:42] suddenly adding 18 more boats,
[42:44] much bigger than what we have in
[42:48] any one of the residence there,
[42:49] suddenly this make the safety of
[42:51] manatees fine, compared to add
[42:53] one or two boats more in our
[42:54] island that is completely at the
[42:56] moment restricted.
[42:58] So to me, there's a proportion
[43:00] that would make no sense to me
[43:02] that 18 larger boats would keep
[43:07] the manatees safe, which is
[43:08] definitely an intent, to keep
[43:12] them safe.
[43:12] Not very clear to me how that's
[43:13] being allowed, and what is
[43:13] available for us as the public
[43:15] to see and basically comment, or
[43:19] at least understand better the
[43:19] information.
[43:20] The fact, you know, the numbers
[43:21] which I have not seen anything
[43:22] like that published.
[43:24] >> Mayor: again, you can
[43:24] respond.
[43:25] But again, I think they're
[43:28] separate -- I think it's a
[43:29] separate consideration.
[43:29] Or no?
[43:29] I --
[43:33] >> mayor, also, just for the
[43:34] record, the derm report and
[43:37] analysis is a public record.
[43:39] And their finding is that it is
[43:41] consistent with the manatee
[43:42] protection plan.
[43:44] Those of you, I think mayor
[43:46] you're well familiar with it,
[43:48] derm is not an easy agency.
[43:49] If there were any problem they
[43:51] would let us know.
[43:51] It's all public record.
[43:53] It's all available to you.
[43:54] It's all consistent with the
[43:54] manatee protection.
[43:59] >> and it's online, as well.
[44:01] >> Mayor: so is there any way --
[44:03] can you indicate where that can
[44:05] be obtained, if this gentleman
[44:06] is interested in that?
[44:08] >> sure.
[44:08] If he gives me his contact
[44:09] information I'll send him the
[44:13] contact.
[44:16] >> Mayor: and absolutely
[44:16] cognizant of your items
[44:21] presented.
[44:24] >> -- six months is there any
[44:27] way, six months rather than --
[44:28] because obviously I'm going to
[44:30] live for the next many months to
[44:32] come, so is there any way to
[44:35] create some sort of contract, or
[44:38] the contract that would have a
[44:39] very significant penalty in
[44:40] case --
[44:43] >> Mayor: I can't speak for the
[44:43] owner.
[44:47] But I will say that their
[44:49] construction has been overall,
[44:51] and their deliverables on a
[44:55] timely manner, has been
[44:56] exemplary.
[44:57] I have to say their experience
[44:59] has been -- I think they've -- I
[45:01] think they've really performed
[45:02] on their time lines.
[45:04] >> I trust what you're saying.
[45:07] But is there any way to include
[45:08] some sort of a, you know, time
[45:10] limits for them to complete that
[45:14] within "x" number of months, and
[45:15] basically make it accountable
[45:16] for that.
[45:19] >> if I could say, as with any
[45:20] construction there's always
[45:21] unforeseeable -- so that
[45:23] wouldn't be anything that would
[45:23] be feasible.
[45:24] >> Mayor: I don't know if you
[45:25] want to address that.
[45:27] It's not really, it's not within
[45:28] the scope of our inquiry.
[45:32] I mean, that's beyond, you
[45:32] know -- the expectations are
[45:33] when they're going to complete
[45:34] their construction.
[45:35] >> precisely, mayor.
[45:37] You pointed that out.
[45:37] This is the province of the
[45:38] building official in the
[45:43] building department.
[45:44] Follow their procedures and
[45:45] such.
[45:47] You also did point out that a
[45:48] much larger construction
[45:49] project, the redevelopment of
[45:51] the entire site and the two new
[45:53] buildings was timely,
[45:54] efficiently and well done.
[45:55] This is a very small component
[45:56] of it.
[45:59] But again, as mayor points out,
[46:01] this is the thing to discuss now
[46:01] is not germane to this.
[46:02] It's a building permitting
[46:05] issue.
[46:07] >> Mayor: right.
[46:08] And I think they're very
[46:14] accessible.
[46:15] [Speaker off mic]
[46:16] Okay.
[46:20] Do we have another public
[46:21] speaker?
[46:25] Eric luca.
[46:26] Thank you.
[46:26] No.
[46:27] Good questions.
[46:30] And very topical and very
[46:31] relevant.
[46:32] We're in poinciana.
[46:34] >> hi, hello.
[46:35] >> Mayor: state your name and
[46:36] address.
[46:37] >> eric luca.
[46:44] I live in poinciana island 236
[46:44] since JUNE '96.
[46:45] 27 years now.
[46:46] I used to have my boat there.
[46:50] Then I had to take it out.
[46:53] So, my concern says that how
[46:57] would it be that they're
[47:02] claiming that in OCTOBER 26,
[47:03] 2005, when wind hit all of us,
[47:05] and I lost my boat, matter of
[47:08] fact, you lost the marina, and
[47:10] then now 17 year later, you
[47:11] haven't done anything, now 17
[47:16] years later you're saying that
[47:18] you can have -- so in that same
[47:20] case when I move in poinciana,
[47:24] in 2001, 2002, we have access to
[47:26] everybody, the 100 units, can't
[47:27] have a boat.
[47:29] So if we can say that they can
[47:32] use the permit for the 18
[47:34] marinas, why don't we have our
[47:34] own permits to have a boat in
[47:38] each of our units?
[47:41] this point, point number one.
[47:44] So you can please -- or say this
[47:44] easier.
[47:46] If they want to provide this,
[47:49] just give us all of us our
[47:53] marina -- our access to put the
[47:55] boat in that's number one.
[47:57] Second, why the marina you want
[47:57] to build it?
[47:58] Now you want to build a marina
[48:05] on the narrowest part of the
[48:14] island.
[48:17] Based on the main, you put a 30
[48:25] foot boat there, to maneuver,
[48:27] you're now going to hit my boat
[48:28] with it's not feasible to do a
[48:29] marina there to have a boat more
[48:32] than 40 feet.
[48:35] So, first of all, I don't think
[48:36] you are in a situation now to
[48:39] say yes or no to this will have
[48:41] to take a month to study.
[48:43] That's what I'm asking you is I
[48:44] know that there want to be some
[48:45] changes in the organization of
[48:49] the city government, okay.
[48:49] But this is not something that's
[48:53] got to be passed now.
[48:57] And again you want to do the
[48:59] railing I don't care really.
[49:00] If there's a marina in front I
[49:02] don't care, just move it to one
[49:03] side or the other where the
[49:05] channel is wider.
[49:06] Much wider.
[49:08] On second, each of us we receive
[49:09] the same permit to have a boat
[49:10] in front of our unit.
[49:11] And I tell you what, we cannot
[49:13] say no.
[49:16] >> Mayor: eric, that's not --
[49:17] that's not something that the
[49:18] commission can arbitrate or
[49:20] decide.
[49:21] >> we can try.
[49:23] >> Mayor: we can't as a
[49:25] commission body just allow that
[49:29] every owner can have a boat --
[49:29] >> with the same situation that
[49:32] if I have a boat, 20 years ago,
[49:34] why I cannot have a boat?
[49:36] And they're saying that I have a
[49:37] permit 17 years ago.
[49:39] They never use it, and now they
[49:42] can get it.
[49:43] Something is unfair here.
[49:45] It's basically unfair.
[49:47] Each of us in poinciana, we have
[49:48] a way to do it.
[49:50] Now, okay, you got your boat.
[49:52] You got your pier and
[49:53] congratulations.
[49:58] Even, same to you for yours,
[49:58] congratulations.
[49:59] I will be a commissioner next
[50:01] time to have a pier on my house.
[50:01] Yes.
[50:01] It's fair.
[50:07] It's fair.
[50:09] I'm not being sarcastic.
[50:10] >> Mayor: okay, thank you.
[50:11] >> I don't have a boat or a pier
[50:17] behind my house.
[50:17] >> okay.
[50:20] Now let me say -- MAY I add
[50:21] something to the people of
[50:22] marina.
[50:25] If you want to improve -- my
[50:28] units are right across the
[50:30] parking permit, the building,
[50:32] the parking building.
[50:36] You know that you're allowing
[50:36] harley-davidson to park on the
[50:38] top floor and at 1:00 in the
[50:40] morning they go around and
[50:42] around and around eight floors.
[50:44] One in the morning, six in the
[50:44] morning.
[50:50] Don't leave the bikes on the top
[50:57] with the open going to the
[50:58] floor.
[51:01] And -- and I talk to the city.
[51:03] I talk to the inspectors.
[51:05] Oe of the inspectors that I'm
[51:10] going to have, he told me why
[51:12] don't you -- so in the next
[51:13] month I'm going to request this
[51:15] guy to be fired.
[51:17] But that's not the response to a
[51:18] person that live here.
[51:21] we pay the salary of these -- so
[51:27] please.
[51:27] You can tell him to come I
[51:29] believe at 8:30 or 9:00.
[51:30] >> Mayor: thank you.
[51:31] Thank you.
[51:32] >> thank you.
[51:33] >> Mayor: thank you.
[51:35] Understood.
[51:35] Understood.
[51:39] Okay.
[51:49] Greg capra.
[51:50] >> good evening.
[51:52] Greg capra, 257 poinciana
[51:53] island.
[51:54] I'm the PRESIDENT Of the board
[51:54] there.
[51:57] And I have quite a bit of
[51:59] knowledge about dealing with
[52:01] derm and the concerns of our
[52:02] residents there.
[52:05] And, respect to their questions,
[52:06] this particular marina really
[52:10] doesn't have anything to do with
[52:11] poinciana's marina.
[52:13] Derm's laws, as far as I know,
[52:15] what they've told us, and why we
[52:18] have only 43 power boats is
[52:20] because we have 4300 feet around
[52:21] the island.
[52:23] They allow one boat for 100
[52:23] feet.
[52:25] So I would assume they have 1800
[52:26] feet, if they have more, they
[52:27] probably would be asking for
[52:32] more slips.
[52:34] That being said, owners are
[52:35] concerned with the construction,
[52:37] how long this is going to take,
[52:37] and so on.
[52:40] So they have questions.
[52:41] So while I'm personally not
[52:43] against what they're doing, I
[52:45] would ask that the commission
[52:47] delay the decision so unit
[52:48] owners of poinciana could gather
[52:50] more information, and be
[52:50] comfortable about this process
[52:53] and what's going to happen.
[52:55] Now you say they had a marina
[52:56] before, and I would say, why
[53:00] shouldn't they have a marina
[53:00] now?
[53:01] Eric's comment about boats being
[53:03] a certain length is valid.
[53:04] But that's really not your
[53:08] decision.
[53:10] If derm felt it was unsafe, and
[53:12] they didn't mention army corps
[53:12] of engineers.
[53:14] And so was the army corps of
[53:15] engineers involved with this?
[53:17] So they had a marina before.
[53:18] I don't know that they need to
[53:20] be involved again.
[53:21] But there's questions that need
[53:23] to be asked and answered.
[53:26] And, I don't know that it's so
[53:27] important to make a decision
[53:30] tonight versus in JANUARY, where
[53:32] they could come back, could ask
[53:33] questions that they want to
[53:35] bring up, and provide them.
[53:36] I know people had an opportunity
[53:37] to be here tonight and could
[53:38] have asked those questions.
[53:40] I don't know if anyone else is
[53:40] here.
[53:45] But, it does give a little extra
[53:45] time.
[53:47] And I'm not against this.
[53:48] But I think some other questions
[53:52] need to be answered, and an
[53:54] extra month really wouldn't be a
[53:56] big deal to allow that to
[53:57] happen.
[53:57] >> Mayor: okay.
[54:00] We have no other public
[54:00] speakers.
[54:05] So again, I'd like to just ask
[54:06] the question, again, these
[54:08] marina slips were pre-existing,
[54:08] correct?
[54:09] You had a pre-existing --
[54:12] >> correct.
[54:14] >> Mayor:-plan where you had 18
[54:14] marina slips.
[54:15] Is that correct?
[54:16] >> that is correct.
[54:18] >> Mayor: and that you have full
[54:20] clearance with manatees, and
[54:22] with wake, and with passage of
[54:24] boats through that canal.
[54:26] So any placement of these marina
[54:28] slips, the quantity, the
[54:30] ingress, the egress, the
[54:33] manatee, the environmental, all
[54:35] of that has been completely
[54:35] vetted.
[54:35] Correct?
[54:37] >> all been reviewed by derm and
[54:38] preliminarily approved.
[54:39] >> Mayor: okay.
[54:43] So derm, and the same way derm
[54:44] approved that that they approved
[54:45] with whatever conditions in
[54:46] poinciana island.
[54:46] Correct?
[54:47] >> correct, mayor.
[54:49] >> Mayor: so there's no issue
[54:52] whatsoever with the amount of
[54:54] slips, the clearance, the
[54:55] ingress, the egress.
[54:58] >> where they're located, no
[55:00] variances, all by right within
[55:00] derm's rules, within the city's
[55:05] rules.
[55:06] >> Mayor: and we've had plenty
[55:07] of opportunity to discuss this
[55:09] this evening, and there's no --
[55:12] there are no other lingering
[55:13] questions or any reason to --
[55:15] >> oh, I have a few comments.
[55:17] >> Mayor: other than whatever my
[55:17] colleagues have here.
[55:22] But I just, for me, that was the
[55:26] sine qua non that there were 18
[55:28] slips in existence and that's
[55:29] why I felt all along.
[55:30] It's not like you're creating
[55:31] something from nothing.
[55:32] >> correct, mayor.
[55:33] And it is permitted as a matter
[55:34] of right.
[55:38] And it meets all the criteria
[55:38] for site plan.
[55:40] >> Mayor: and I think it will be
[55:40] beautiful.
[55:41] Just like the building.
[55:41] So anyway.
[55:48] go ahead.
[55:49] Commissioner stuyvesant.
[55:50] >> number one, about cable
[55:50] railing.
[55:51] That sidewalk is a public
[55:52] sidewalk, right?
[55:54] >> correct.
[55:57] >> so, by us accepting to
[55:59] eliminate that cable railing, if
[56:00] anything happens there are we
[56:02] liable for it, the city liable
[56:03] in any way?
[56:04] Because I don't know the answer.
[56:06] >> no, I don't believe we are.
[56:08] Because those cables aren't
[56:09] required by the terms of our
[56:12] land development regulations.
[56:15] >> it was like an extra layer of
[56:16] protection.
[56:18] But again I just wanted to
[56:20] codify that that's a public
[56:20] sidewalk.
[56:24] >> yes, and commissioner as
[56:25] MR. Dissinger said it is
[56:26] consistent with the other public
[56:27] bay walk.
[56:30] >> in st. Tropez, I just wanted
[56:34] to make sure that we aren't
[56:35] liable by saying, you know.
[56:38] Number two the modification the
[56:41] entryway signage I have no issue
[56:41] with.
[56:43] Number three with the condition,
[56:44] I have some issues.
[56:48] Because you have 35 units right
[56:49] now for workforce housing.
[56:49] Right?
[56:50] >> correct.
[56:52] >> what is the price, kind of,
[56:53] of those, do you know?
[56:53] >> well, the way the workforce
[56:59] housing unit pricing goes is
[57:05] it's set based upon the median
[57:07] income for a family or an
[57:09] individual in dade county.
[57:12] And it can't be -- that is, it
[57:15] cannot be higher than what would
[57:18] be housing for someone at 120%
[57:23] of ami, adjusted median income.
[57:25] Which it would be 30% of that
[57:26] income.
[57:28] So for instance, if somebody --
[57:31] and it's scaled also based on
[57:32] whether it's one person, two
[57:33] people, three people, four
[57:33] people.
[57:34] >> right.
[57:38] >> so if it's a family of four,
[57:42] and the person earns 120% of
[57:44] ami, which would be I think
[57:47] about $90,000, then I think that
[57:48] the total rent there couldn't be
[57:50] more than $27,000.
[57:53] And that's the very, very high
[57:54] end.
[57:56] It was a -- two people, it would
[57:57] be less.
[57:58] If their income was $70,000, it
[58:03] would be 30% of that.
[58:04] So that's the cap.
[58:05] They don't actually control the
[58:06] rent.
[58:06] The rent is controlled by the
[58:09] income of the tenant.
[58:09] >> great.
[58:12] But I know those 35 units are
[58:13] all over the building.
[58:15] >> correct.
[58:18] >> how you have like per floor,
[58:20] or and what if you are expecting
[58:22] to do now, you want to put them
[58:25] all on the first, second, third
[58:25] floor?
[58:26] >> in fact, good question.
[58:27] And that actually prompted, I
[58:28] think, the desire of ownership
[58:35] for the change.
[58:37] Over time tenants will come,
[58:38] tenants will go.
[58:39] In order to be able to make sure
[58:40] they can accommodate them in
[58:42] various parts of the building,
[58:43] they wanted to have a
[58:45] flexibility to move the units
[58:45] around.
[58:46] Whereas if you're locked in
[58:49] specific units, you know, then
[58:51] those will always be -- I mean,
[58:53] these workforce units will be
[58:57] integrated with all the units
[59:00] throughout the entire complex.
[59:02] So it gives them more
[59:03] flexibility and it works a lot
[59:03] better.
[59:09] >> but I'm really concerned with
[59:11] that item, because people in
[59:12] sunny isles because everything
[59:13] is going higher and higher in
[59:14] the prices.
[59:17] And if you have the 35 units
[59:21] right now, very well described
[59:24] that you have, I don't see what
[59:26] would be the difference of
[59:29] changing the numbers of having
[59:30] it open.
[59:31] What I'm scared is right now you
[59:33] might have five units on the top
[59:37] floor with a very nice view and
[59:37] then we can move those five
[59:38] units to the bottom floor with
[59:39] no view.
[59:40] I don't know --
[59:42] >> first of all the covenant
[59:44] requires, no matter what, there
[59:45] always must be 35 units.
[59:45] >> correct.
[59:48] >> so this is not changing the
[59:51] number of units whatsoever.
[59:53] But what it is doing is as we
[59:56] realize is the flexibility to
[59:59] say, as to where the units are,
[1:00:04] because tenants come and go.
[1:00:06] And, you know, you might want to
[1:00:07] put a tenant in another unit, a
[1:00:09] new tenant in another unit.
[1:00:11] It just -- and that's candidly,
[1:00:13] the way, I think most of the
[1:00:13] workforce housing unit
[1:00:20] allocations go.
[1:00:23] >> commissioner, just to add to
[1:00:24] that, as part of our workforce
[1:00:25] housing ordinance, they're
[1:00:26] required to submit an annual
[1:00:28] report every OCTOBER to my
[1:00:29] department that's going to be
[1:00:30] reviewed.
[1:00:31] And in that report it does need
[1:00:33] to list every unit number.
[1:00:35] So at that time, you know, if we
[1:00:37] see that they're all on floor
[1:00:38] one, well that's in violation of
[1:00:39] their covenant.
[1:00:40] They need to be on multiple
[1:00:41] floors.
[1:00:42] So we will be monitoring the
[1:00:45] workforce housing program.
[1:00:46] >> I understand.
[1:00:47] I'm just not comfortable with
[1:00:47] that item.
[1:00:48] And the last one about the
[1:00:53] marina, I see my neighbors here
[1:00:54] in poinciana, and I understand
[1:00:57] why they're upset, because the
[1:01:00] way the marina slips are managed
[1:01:04] in poinciana, is very
[1:01:08] questionable, to say the least.
[1:01:09] Some people would even call it
[1:01:11] fraudulent what they're doing
[1:01:12] with the marina slips in
[1:01:14] poinciana island.
[1:01:15] So I understand their concerns,
[1:01:16] really.
[1:01:18] But having said that the numbers
[1:01:18] don't lie.
[1:01:21] You have 32.7 units per slip.
[1:01:25] Because you have a total of 589
[1:01:27] units between the three
[1:01:27] buildings.
[1:01:30] So I want to repeat.
[1:01:33] You have almost 600 units, and
[1:01:35] 18 slips.
[1:01:35] So that give you per slip 32.7
[1:01:38] units.
[1:01:43] So I don't know how it's going
[1:01:44] to be the dynamics you are going
[1:01:46] to be using to ashrine the
[1:01:47] slips, it's going to be a
[1:01:49] lottery or whatever.
[1:01:51] But having said that, I didn't
[1:01:54] see anywhere, maybe you said but
[1:01:55] I didn't read it, the limits to
[1:01:59] the size of the boats.
[1:02:01] And also, the marina was there
[1:02:01] you said back almost 20 years
[1:02:06] ago.
[1:02:08] I don't feel comfortable right
[1:02:10] now with bringing this item and
[1:02:13] approving this item the way it's
[1:02:13] presented.
[1:02:15] So I leave it to my colleagues
[1:02:22] for further comments.
[1:02:25] >> Mayor: I don't see that, you
[1:02:26] know, delaying this has any
[1:02:29] value or merit.
[1:02:31] I feel that, you know, I'm very
[1:02:34] comfortable with all four items.
[1:02:38] The workforce housing covenant
[1:02:39] has changed to give more
[1:02:40] flexibility, but it doesn't
[1:02:41] mitigate the number of units.
[1:02:44] It just, you know, is how the --
[1:02:46] how the rentals work.
[1:02:47] So it's a requirement.
[1:02:50] It's a covenant.
[1:02:51] And it's -- they're always going
[1:02:52] to have those 34 workforce
[1:02:53] housing units.
[1:02:57] For me, that's a nonissue.
[1:02:58] It's just very minor.
[1:03:01] The signage, obviously, is
[1:03:02] minor.
[1:03:02] The cable.
[1:03:04] And for the marina, again, if
[1:03:09] it's pre-existing, and you've
[1:03:10] got the slips, and you can get
[1:03:12] it permitted, and, you know, I
[1:03:14] think it will beautify the area
[1:03:15] and I'm comfortable with that,
[1:03:16] as well.
[1:03:17] >> so I have some questions.
[1:03:18] So, obviously you had a marina
[1:03:22] there before.
[1:03:24] That was a long time ago.
[1:03:26] Things change.
[1:03:27] So I just want to know if it's
[1:03:30] comparable, and the size of the
[1:03:32] boats that it will house.
[1:03:37] And if it's going to be the same
[1:03:37] dimensions as before.
[1:03:39] And if it's going to go in the
[1:03:39] same place.
[1:03:42] Because I know that one of the
[1:03:42] poinciana residents said that
[1:03:44] it's going to be placed in the
[1:03:45] narrowest point of that canal,
[1:03:50] let's say.
[1:03:52] So that, I have those questions.
[1:03:55] And yeah, I'll let you answer
[1:03:56] those.
[1:04:00] >> commissioner, well, it is
[1:04:02] where the marina was located
[1:04:03] before.
[1:04:04] Remember, derm would only
[1:04:05] approve it -- is approving it
[1:04:07] also based on the fact that
[1:04:08] there were historic 18 slips
[1:04:09] there.
[1:04:09] >> okay.
[1:04:16] >> the length of boats is also
[1:04:19] regulated by how far out you
[1:04:19] could put the mooring
[1:04:20] ing
[1:04:21] ing poles.
[1:04:24] Which are regulated by the city,
[1:04:25] as well as by derm.
[1:04:28] These are not very -- we are not
[1:04:29] seeking variances to extend them
[1:04:30] so that they can be farther out.
[1:04:31] >> okay.
[1:04:35] >> so these are -- this is
[1:04:35] essentially what was
[1:04:37] historically always there.
[1:04:37] >> okay.
[1:04:39] All right.
[1:04:41] Yeah I'm just a little
[1:04:42] concerned, you know, with the
[1:04:43] geography of that canal.
[1:04:44] Obviously you have people in
[1:04:46] front of you.
[1:04:48] There's a lot more that say, you
[1:04:51] know, possibility of echoes.
[1:04:52] And regarding the time limits
[1:04:54] that we're imposing.
[1:04:56] 6:00 A.M. To 12:00 A.M.,
[1:04:56] correct?
[1:04:59] Is that a citywide imposition?
[1:05:00] Or --
[1:05:02] >> that's something we
[1:05:03] volunteered.
[1:05:04] There's no limit.
[1:05:07] >> how is that even going to be
[1:05:07] enforced?
[1:05:08] You're going to tell someone you
[1:05:10] cannot go out fishing at 4:00 in
[1:05:12] the morning, you have to wait
[1:05:14] until 6:00.
[1:05:15] Or you cannot come back from the
[1:05:16] beach, you have to wait outside
[1:05:19] in the middle of the water until
[1:05:20] 6:00 A.M. To come back.
[1:05:21] i don't see how that's going to
[1:05:22] be enforced.
[1:05:25] >> well, you have a series of
[1:05:26] fines if it's slated.
[1:05:28] We have the advantage of this
[1:05:29] not being a condominium
[1:05:32] property.
[1:05:32] This is a centrally managed
[1:05:33] property.
[1:05:34] These are apartment unit owners
[1:05:35] and those are the only people
[1:05:37] who are going to have slips
[1:05:37] there, apartment dwellers, not
[1:05:38] owners.
[1:05:42] And they can be -- they're
[1:05:43] subject to rules as well not
[1:05:46] only of the city's rules, but
[1:05:48] the association, the
[1:05:49] management's rules for the
[1:05:50] building.
[1:05:51] There's more enforcement that
[1:05:53] you'll be able to have for this
[1:05:55] than if it was a typical
[1:05:56] building where a variety of
[1:05:56] people own the slips.
[1:05:57] They own the slips.
[1:06:01] They're responsible.
[1:06:02] They deal with it.
[1:06:03] And I would point out, I mean,
[1:06:07] it is important to point out,
[1:06:10] because the discussion's
[1:06:11] beginning to get, you know,
[1:06:13] somewhat candidly, afield of
[1:06:15] what really is properly before
[1:06:15] this.
[1:06:15] Remember, this marina is a
[1:06:20] matter of right.
[1:06:21] And the only thing that it can
[1:06:25] be judged by is the criteria in
[1:06:25] your code for site plan
[1:06:29] approval.
[1:06:30] And your planning director, and
[1:06:33] you find that in page 3 of the
[1:06:34] staff report, we meet all of
[1:06:37] this criteria.
[1:06:42] Because we meet all of this
[1:06:42] criteria, there is no basis for
[1:06:48] not approving this.
[1:06:50] That's -- notwithstanding that,
[1:06:51] the manager and the planning
[1:06:54] director have asked us to
[1:06:57] voluntarily -- sought us to
[1:06:58] voluntarily proffer additional
[1:06:59] conditions, further restrictions
[1:07:00] beyond what the law requires.
[1:07:01] And we have agreed to do that,
[1:07:05] voluntarily.
[1:07:06] >> so, okay, I understand that,
[1:07:07] you know, you have the right for
[1:07:08] this.
[1:07:10] But I live in winston towers.
[1:07:10] Right?
[1:07:12] We have a marina around there,
[1:07:13] and we don't have anything in
[1:07:15] front of it that will bounce off
[1:07:20] the noise.
[1:07:20] But still we get complaints, you
[1:07:23] know, just from resident
[1:07:24] perspective, obviously, are you
[1:07:26] suggesting or telling us that
[1:07:29] you're going to manage the
[1:07:32] behavior of these residents that
[1:07:34] have their boats?
[1:07:34] >> absolutely.
[1:07:35] >> your management, let's say?
[1:07:40] >> absolutely.
[1:07:41] Remember, this property has
[1:07:44] full-time, 24 hour management.
[1:07:44] >> okay.
[1:07:54] >> and security.
[1:07:56] So, this will have greater
[1:07:58] control than any private
[1:08:01] property, any condominium
[1:08:02] property, because you've got --
[1:08:04] and they also have the ability,
[1:08:05] not only your enforcement of the
[1:08:07] city's code, but they have the
[1:08:08] ability to yank someone's right
[1:08:08] to use a slip.
[1:08:12] As well.
[1:08:17] So their hands-on management,
[1:08:19] remember, the brunettis have
[1:08:20] owned this property for almost
[1:08:21] 40 years, they built this
[1:08:22] property to own it for the
[1:08:23] long-term, they have a greater
[1:08:26] interest in making sure that
[1:08:28] this is well run than almost
[1:08:29] anybody would, candidly.
[1:08:30] Because they don't want to --
[1:08:33] they're going to have lots of
[1:08:34] tenants there.
[1:08:35] They're not going to want their
[1:08:37] own tenants disturbed.
[1:08:38] As commissioner stuyvesant
[1:08:39] pointed out, you know, at most
[1:08:41] one out of 32 units are going to
[1:08:44] have a slip.
[1:08:45] They're not going to want to
[1:08:47] have the other 31 unit owners
[1:08:49] per slip inconvenienced.
[1:08:52] So, you -- this is the best
[1:08:52] situation you could have
[1:08:55] candidly for a managed marina.
[1:08:57] >> Mayor: is there a limitation
[1:08:59] on the size of the boat that
[1:09:01] they put in there?
[1:09:05] Because boats -- there are
[1:09:08] [Inaudible] Prescribed?
[1:09:09] >> I appreciate all the
[1:09:12] concerns.
[1:09:16] And I'm listening to them,
[1:09:18] because we, as an ownership,
[1:09:20] want to protect all the citizens
[1:09:21] when we have this development.
[1:09:24] Some we went to derm, and we
[1:09:27] developed the design, and
[1:09:28] engineered it within the
[1:09:30] described dimensions of the
[1:09:30] waterway.
[1:09:35] The slips are designed and
[1:09:37] engineered precisely as told and
[1:09:40] directed by derm.
[1:09:45] The lentd of the boat, the slip,
[1:09:48] the mooring poles, the width of
[1:09:50] the canal, the channel, the
[1:09:51] depth and size of every boat on
[1:09:53] the slip is described precisely
[1:09:55] in the drawings that we
[1:09:56] presented so that everybody
[1:09:57] understands how many boats we
[1:09:58] have.
[1:09:59] What the size will be.
[1:10:04] And what derm would allow.
[1:10:06] And the width -- everything's
[1:10:07] engineered within the width of
[1:10:08] the waterway and prescribed by
[1:10:13] derm because of the width.
[1:10:16] >> no my concern is more from a
[1:10:16] resident perspective.
[1:10:18] you're sitting there, somebody's
[1:10:19] taking their boat out at 6:00
[1:10:21] A.M. And they're going to wake
[1:10:23] you up, you know, it's just not
[1:10:24] pleasant.
[1:10:24] You know.
[1:10:26] And we're a very crowded city.
[1:10:27] There's a lot of noise solution
[1:10:27] around.
[1:10:29] You know we're talking a few
[1:10:29] weeks ago.
[1:10:31] And we've been talking
[1:10:31] throughout the whole year about
[1:10:35] noise ordinances.
[1:10:37] You know, I'm just looking at it
[1:10:38] from a perspective of having a
[1:10:40] good night's sleep.
[1:10:42] Not being, you know, bothered by
[1:10:44] these boats and all that.
[1:10:46] So, I know that you have the
[1:10:48] right to build this.
[1:10:50] I'm just asking that you manage
[1:10:51] it well.
[1:10:52] And that you're considerate, and
[1:10:54] that you're a good neighbor.
[1:10:55] Because you have poinciana in
[1:10:56] front of you.
[1:10:57] You have other people.
[1:10:58] Noise is bouncing all around
[1:10:58] here.
[1:11:00] I don't know, do you live here
[1:11:00] in the city?
[1:11:03] >> I don't, commissioner.
[1:11:03] But I've come --
[1:11:04] >> you're well aware.
[1:11:06] I know you're very familiar with
[1:11:07] the city.
[1:11:09] >> my dad had a drug store in
[1:11:12] this city in the 1950s and 60s.
[1:11:14] >> you had a drug store here?
[1:11:15] >> yes.
[1:11:16] The one that has the was like
[1:11:21] the watermelon shaped zone.
[1:11:22] >> that became a restaurant?
[1:11:25] >> when that shopping center was
[1:11:27] built by the family in the '50s
[1:11:29] my dad had a big drug store
[1:11:29] there.
[1:11:30] I've been coming to this city
[1:11:32] since I was a little baby.
[1:11:32] >> all right.
[1:11:34] >> commissioner lama, I think
[1:11:35] it's important to point out that
[1:11:37] nowhere else in the city are
[1:11:38] there time limits about boats
[1:11:38] coming in and going out.
[1:11:41] Okay?
[1:11:43] They voluntarily have agreed to
[1:11:46] the 6:00 to 12:00.
[1:11:48] It's the only marina in the city
[1:11:49] where there are time
[1:11:49] requirements.
[1:11:51] >> because I know that the one
[1:11:53] in winston towers, and there's
[1:11:54] another one that, you know, we
[1:11:55] get a lot of noise complaints
[1:11:57] for.
[1:11:59] >> but you also have our
[1:12:00] asurance, commissioner, that we
[1:12:02] will -- this will be heavily
[1:12:03] managed, well managed.
[1:12:04] It's a family asset.
[1:12:05] And they want a good
[1:12:12] environment.
[1:12:17] [Speaker off mic]
[1:12:17] >> it doesn't make sense.
[1:12:18] >> party boats and all that.
[1:12:30] >> no.
[1:12:31] [Speaker off mic]
[1:12:32] >> just a couple of questions.
[1:12:35] For me it's pretty clear that
[1:12:36] you meet the criteria.
[1:12:36] Whether we love it or we don't,
[1:12:40] the criteria is the criteria.
[1:12:42] But I had a question about the
[1:12:44] length of the lease of the
[1:12:44] slips.
[1:12:47] How does it go, per when you
[1:12:50] rent the unit?
[1:12:53] And then if you have a weight
[1:12:57] list and how do you move up that
[1:12:59] list, do you have to get your
[1:12:59] neighbor evicted?
[1:13:01] How does that work?
[1:13:04] >> so the reason we're
[1:13:05] proceeding with the project in
[1:13:06] this is because we weren't
[1:13:07] certain that there would be
[1:13:11] interest for all of the slips.
[1:13:12] We're finding out that there are
[1:13:15] some tenants now that are coming
[1:13:16] and are interested in those.
[1:13:19] So they're one-year leases.
[1:13:21] And I think one of the things
[1:13:23] that's very important to us, we
[1:13:24] developed a whole list of marina
[1:13:27] rules, which we submitted as
[1:13:30] part of this application.
[1:13:31] Our greatest concern is there
[1:13:34] isn't partying going on on the
[1:13:34] boats.
[1:13:36] So we have a very strict list of
[1:13:37] rules.
[1:13:39] Because our goal is to protect
[1:13:40] even the residents who don't
[1:13:41] rent.
[1:13:41] But it's a first come, first
[1:13:44] serve basis.
[1:13:46] And yes, there would be a wait
[1:13:46] list.
[1:13:46] And --
[1:13:49] >> so if I come in, and I come
[1:13:50] in with my boat and I move in.
[1:13:51] >> right.
[1:13:52] >> so I get my slip.
[1:13:54] And if I follow all the rules,
[1:13:55] you don't have any problems with
[1:13:58] me, as long as I keep renewing
[1:14:00] my lease, I get to keep renewing
[1:14:00] the slip?
[1:14:01] >> absolutely.
[1:14:05] >> okay.
[1:14:06] >> absolutely.
[1:14:09] >> and I had another question.
[1:14:13] Okay.
[1:14:17] I saw in the report, you have to
[1:14:19] be a resident there to rent.
[1:14:19] Right?
[1:14:20] >> that's correct.
[1:14:21] >> but -- so you have to show
[1:14:23] that you're -- you have to prove
[1:14:24] that you're a resident.
[1:14:24] But do you have to prove that
[1:14:26] it's your boat?
[1:14:26] >> yes.
[1:14:30] >> okay.
[1:14:32] >> you have to not only prove
[1:14:33] it's your boat.
[1:14:34] You can't rent somebody else's
[1:14:35] boat and park it there.
[1:14:36] >> that's where I'm going.
[1:14:37] >> none of that.
[1:14:38] All of that is policed.
[1:14:40] We have a licensed marine dock
[1:14:41] master that will serve us in the
[1:14:47] leasing, and the filing of their
[1:14:47] requirement to meet our lease
[1:14:48] and rule requirements.
[1:14:50] And that will be vetted by
[1:14:50] management.
[1:14:53] And then once you have a lease,
[1:14:53] it's yours.
[1:14:54] On a renewable basis.
[1:14:54] >> okay.
[1:14:58] Okay.
[1:14:59] Those were my questions.
[1:15:00] Again, to mitigate the party
[1:15:04] boat issues, and the other, but
[1:15:09] it's -- it's to the interest of
[1:15:11] your property, and your
[1:15:11] representation, and your
[1:15:12] property values and all of that
[1:15:14] to manage it well.
[1:15:14] Okay.
[1:15:19] Thank you.
[1:15:19] >> yes, thank you.
[1:15:27] So just for the information of
[1:15:28] the poinciana residents, I've
[1:15:30] particularly looked at the
[1:15:31] length of the -- the width of
[1:15:33] the waterway and it appears to
[1:15:34] be 178 feet.
[1:15:35] >> yeah.
[1:15:37] And it's on our drawings, I
[1:15:38] would like to answer you yes
[1:15:39] that's exactly what it is.
[1:15:42] But I'd have to look at the
[1:15:42] drawings.
[1:15:44] But the waterway on our drawings
[1:15:46] is defined in each location
[1:15:48] relative to our slip.
[1:15:50] And derm has reviewed those
[1:15:51] locations and minimized the
[1:15:53] length of our slips and mooring
[1:15:55] positions to reflect the
[1:15:57] requirements of derm and the
[1:15:57] channel.
[1:15:59] >> so your slips are 24 feet
[1:16:00] currently.
[1:16:02] And what are they four pilings,
[1:16:06] right, every six feet you have a
[1:16:06] piling?
[1:16:08] So, in temgs of the walkway
[1:16:09] going down --
[1:16:11] >> no talking about the t-slip.
[1:16:12] >> yes.
[1:16:12] >> so you'd have four pilings.
[1:16:13] At least.
[1:16:15] >> yes.
[1:16:16] >> probably four pilings at
[1:16:16] each, six feet.
[1:16:25] So, so, the maximum length of
[1:16:26] the boat would probably be
[1:16:28] between 45 and 60?
[1:16:28] >> no.
[1:16:31] Our boats are less than 40 feet.
[1:16:31] >> okay.
[1:16:32] >> no boat is greater than 40
[1:16:33] feet.
[1:16:36] >> okay.
[1:16:38] >> and we're not allowed to do
[1:16:39] that because that's a derm
[1:16:40] requirement with our design.
[1:16:40] >> okay.
[1:16:41] So there's no issue with turning
[1:16:45] in the canal?
[1:16:46] >> no.
[1:16:47] All those --
[1:16:49] >> you have 178 feet, if you
[1:16:50] have a 40-plus boat, it's not an
[1:16:53] issue for anyone.
[1:17:01] >> thank you.
[1:17:03] >> Mayor: do we have any more
[1:17:04] comments or questions?
[1:17:06] Or are we ready to --
[1:17:19] [Speaker off mic]
[1:17:20] Okay, so that being said,
[1:17:21] questions, comments, do we have
[1:17:22] a motion?
[1:17:25] >> I'll make a motion.
[1:17:28] >> Mayor: commissioner joseph.
[1:17:29] >> I'll second.
[1:17:32] >> Mayor: second, vice mayor
[1:17:32] viscarra.
[1:17:33] Rop call --
[1:17:33] >> voice vote.
[1:17:34] >> Mayor: all in favor.
[1:17:36] [Ayes]
[1:17:36] >> no.
[1:17:37] I vote no.
[1:17:40] >> Mayor: okay.
[1:17:40] 4-1.
[1:17:41] >> 4-1.
[1:17:43] >> thank you very much, mayor
[1:17:43] and commissioners.
[1:17:45] Look forward to the opening of
[1:17:46] this project, which will be
[1:17:46] facilitated by your vote
[1:17:48] tonight.
[1:17:48] Thank you.
[1:17:48] >> good luck.
[1:17:58] Thank you.
[1:18:00] >> Mayor: okay.
[1:18:02] Item 7-a.
[1:18:03] >> 7-a is an ordinance of the
[1:18:05] city commission of the city of
[1:18:09] sunny isles beach, florida,
[1:18:13] amending ordinance no. 2022-595,
[1:18:14] approving budget amendment
[1:18:17] number ba 2223-01 to the city's
[1:18:18] operating and capital
[1:18:20] improvement budget for the
[1:18:21] 2022-2023 fiscal year general
[1:18:23] fund, street maintenance, and
[1:18:24] construction fund, building
[1:18:26] fund, capital projects, fund,
[1:18:28] stormwater operations fund,
[1:18:29] authorizing the city manager to
[1:18:30] do all things necessary to
[1:18:32] implement the terms and
[1:18:33] conditions of this ordinance,
[1:18:34] providing for an effective date.
[1:18:36] And this is first reading.
[1:18:40] >> honorable mayor, vice mayor
[1:18:42] and commission, this budget
[1:18:42] amendment is necessary for the
[1:18:48] following reasons.
[1:18:49] To record cost of living
[1:18:52] adjustments in all the city
[1:18:54] departments, to modify the risk
[1:18:57] management budget for the
[1:18:59] increase in mid 22-23 insurance
[1:19:00] renewal that was approved.
[1:19:02] However when we did the budget,
[1:19:02] we did not have those final
[1:19:04] numbers.
[1:19:07] And then the last one is to
[1:19:08] appropriate additional funds for
[1:19:08] the golden shores utility
[1:19:18] undergrounding.
[1:19:19] >> Mayor: no public speakers.
[1:19:19] Questions?
[1:19:27] Or comments?
[1:19:29] >> -- comfortable when different
[1:19:30] items together.
[1:19:31] Some of it has to do with the
[1:19:34] cost of living, and insurance,
[1:19:37] and with the golden shores.
[1:19:39] I would rather have each one and
[1:19:41] vote each one separately.
[1:19:41] So that's my suggestion for
[1:19:44] going forward.
[1:19:45] >> okay.
[1:19:47] Generally, budget amendments,
[1:19:50] when they're determined to be
[1:19:51] needed, it's for what's
[1:19:52] determined to be needed at that
[1:19:52] time.
[1:19:56] But I understand.
[1:19:58] >> could you please give us
[1:19:59] the -- the amount of money for
[1:20:00] each of the three you just
[1:20:00] mentioned?
[1:20:04] >> sure.
[1:20:06] So the first one in all the city
[1:20:09] departments that amounts to
[1:20:10] $520,000.
[1:20:11] >> that's the C.O.L.A.
[1:20:15] >> that's the C.O.L.A.
[1:20:15] The risk management is, hold on
[1:20:24] one second.
[1:20:28] That is approximately $260,000.
[1:20:29] And then the last one is
[1:20:32] $589,000.
[1:20:33] >> that's the golden shores.
[1:20:36] >> that's the golden shores.
[1:20:42] 589.
[1:20:57] [Speaker off mic]
[1:20:59] >> the insurance is related to
[1:21:00] the property insurance renewal.
[1:21:09] >> okay.
[1:21:21] [Speaker off mic]
[1:21:23] >> Mayor: comments, questions?
[1:21:24] That being said, do we have a
[1:21:27] motion?
[1:21:28] >> motion.
[1:21:31] >> Mayor: so moved.
[1:21:32] >> second.
[1:21:32] >> Mayor: second vice mayor
[1:21:33] viscarra.
[1:21:33] all in favor.
[1:21:38] [Ayes]
[1:21:38] Voice vote?
[1:21:39] >> roll call, mayor.
[1:21:41] Sorry.
[1:21:41] Commissioner joseph?
[1:21:43] >> yes.
[1:21:43] >> commissioner lama?
[1:21:43] >> yes.
[1:21:45] >> commissioner stuyvesant?
[1:21:47] >> no.
[1:21:47] >> vice mayor viscarra?
[1:21:48] >> yes.
[1:21:49] >> mayor goldman?
[1:21:50] >> Mayor: yes.
[1:21:53] >> the ordinance passes on first
[1:21:54] reading 4-1.
[1:21:56] Second reading will be scheduled
[1:21:57] for JANUARY 19th, 2023.
[1:22:01] >> thank you.
[1:22:05] >> Mayor: thank you.
[1:22:07] Item 10-a.
[1:22:09] >> 10-a is a resolution
[1:22:10] approving a first amendment to
[1:22:12] the project agreement with keith
[1:22:14] and associates, for civil
[1:22:14] engineering and landscape
[1:22:15] architectural services for bella
[1:22:18] vista park.
[1:22:21] >> good evening, mayor,
[1:22:23] commissioners, city staff.
[1:22:29] This item before you is with our
[1:22:30] consult and engineer keith and
[1:22:32] associates at bella vista park.
[1:22:34] As part of the original proposal
[1:22:36] we had a design fee for a
[1:22:37] seawall.
[1:22:38] Their consultant, their
[1:22:40] subconsultant for that work had
[1:22:41] backed out of it because they
[1:22:43] basically gave them the wrong
[1:22:46] number.
[1:22:50] So this budget, or this item
[1:22:52] allows them to subcontract with
[1:22:53] another seawall consultant for
[1:22:54] the seawall design.
[1:22:57] And it also includes all the
[1:22:58] construction administration
[1:22:58] we're going to need on the
[1:22:59] project, which was not in the
[1:23:07] original proposals.
[1:23:07] >> Mayor: we have a public
[1:23:19] speaker.
[1:23:22] >> ari steiger 462 atlantic
[1:23:23] island.
[1:23:25] Is this going to be a pickleball
[1:23:29] court?
[1:23:33] What is it going to be?
[1:23:35] I have -- to do civil
[1:23:36] engineering on a small plot like
[1:23:39] this for $250,000.
[1:23:42] It's I think way, way overpriced
[1:23:42] for this --
[1:23:44] >> ari, I think you are
[1:23:46] referring to 10-b.
[1:23:49] This is 10-b bella vista.
[1:23:53] >> so 10-a is $95,400.
[1:23:58] That's for what?
[1:24:01] What is $95,400?
[1:24:06] >> the project is a marina, and
[1:24:12] park, at bella vista which is
[1:24:13] located at 500, the city park
[1:24:15] property.
[1:24:17] On the waterfront.
[1:24:21] Under the bridge.
[1:24:26] That's what bella vista is.
[1:24:27] That's for seawall consultant
[1:24:27] designer and permitting and
[1:24:31] construction.
[1:24:32] >> it's way, way --
[1:24:33] >> it's also for the
[1:24:33] construction administration for
[1:24:38] the project.
[1:24:39] So it's in basically three
[1:24:40] pieces.
[1:24:43] The design is about $35,000.
[1:24:45] The construction admin is about
[1:24:48] $35,000 for the seawall project.
[1:24:49] And it's another 30 for the
[1:24:50] engineer to do his contruction
[1:24:53] administration for the property,
[1:24:53] also.
[1:24:55] >> I'm building a seawall right
[1:24:55] now.
[1:25:03] One in boca, and one in fort
[1:25:03] lauderdale.
[1:25:04] It's 125 length.
[1:25:05] And I'm paying $110,000 for
[1:25:10] everything.
[1:25:12] We should get a contractor for
[1:25:14] the seawall, he should design
[1:25:17] it, including in the price.
[1:25:17] That's
[1:25:25] [Speaker off mic]
[1:25:27] >> well that's a different way
[1:25:28] to address the project.
[1:25:33] But we're not doing it that way.
[1:25:34] >> ari --
[1:25:35] >> our project is $30,000 for
[1:25:36] the design.
[1:25:39] >> ari, $125,000 includes the --
[1:25:40] >> everything.
[1:25:42] >> the designer that did the
[1:25:44] derm work for you, as well?
[1:25:45] And that was the person that did
[1:25:46] the derm work, as well?
[1:25:53] >> everything.
[1:25:56] And you have my seawall,
[1:26:05] [Speaker off mic]
[1:26:07] >> Mayor: thank you.
[1:26:08] Okay.
[1:26:11] We're just focused on item 10-a
[1:26:12] bella vista park, correct?
[1:26:12] >> yes.
[1:26:13] >> Mayor: okay any other
[1:26:21] comments?
[1:26:21] [Inaudible]
[1:26:22] Okay do we have a motion?
[1:26:23] >> motion.
[1:26:24] >> Mayor: so moved.
[1:26:25] >> second.
[1:26:25] >> Mayor: all in favor.
[1:26:27] [Ayes]
[1:26:28] Item 10-b.
[1:26:30] >> 10-b is a resolution
[1:26:31] approving the project agreement
[1:26:33] with keith and associates to
[1:26:37] provide civil engineering and
[1:26:38] landscape architect services for
[1:26:40] the intracoastal court sports
[1:26:40] complex.
[1:26:45] >> so this is the property on
[1:26:47] 150 8th street going north to
[1:26:51] 159th street where we're adding
[1:26:53] the additional property from --
[1:26:53] that's available from the marina
[1:26:56] one developer to the north of
[1:26:58] what used to be the ritz sales
[1:26:59] trailer.
[1:27:04] So this is a combined total
[1:27:05] contract for this to basically
[1:27:09] double the size of the project.
[1:27:10] >> Mayor: that's a good thing.
[1:27:13] >> so this will allow us to get
[1:27:14] back to some conceptuals on what
[1:27:20] we can do with the whole piece.
[1:27:21] >> Mayor: okay.
[1:27:23] We have no other speakers other
[1:27:24] than ari who has already spoken
[1:27:24] his piece.
[1:27:28] You want to speak on that, too?
[1:27:29] [Speaker off mic]
[1:27:31] >> ari, can you come up to the
[1:27:32] microphone, please?
[1:27:34] >> Mayor: don't we have our
[1:27:35] own --
[1:27:36] >> isn't keith --
[1:27:38] >> to do I don't know what,
[1:27:39] landscaping architect, design of
[1:27:41] the property.
[1:27:41] That's no construction or
[1:27:45] anything.
[1:27:45] >> no.
[1:27:50] This is for the design -- the
[1:27:52] feasibility and design work to
[1:27:52] develop the plans to go out to
[1:27:55] bid to build a park.
[1:27:56] [Speaker off mic]
[1:27:58] Overall this is going to be
[1:28:00] about an acre and a half.
[1:28:03] >> again should bid it out and
[1:28:06] not depend on one architect.
[1:28:07] >> we don't bid out
[1:28:08] architectural engineering
[1:28:08] services.
[1:28:09] >> you should.
[1:28:12] You'll save a lot of money.
[1:28:13] >> that's not allowed for city
[1:28:13] work.
[1:28:15] >> Mayor: ari we have an
[1:28:15] approved vendor.
[1:28:18] We have an approved list.
[1:28:19] >> we hire --
[1:28:20] >> Mayor: it's not on that type
[1:28:21] of bidding process.
[1:28:23] >> we hire consultants and
[1:28:24] evaluate them and --
[1:28:26] >> a waste of money.
[1:28:27] >> obtain a proposal.
[1:28:29] >> and that's a maximum, right?
[1:28:31] it doesn't mean that it's going
[1:28:32] to be that amount.
[1:28:33] It can be less than that.
[1:28:37] It's a maximum of $161,000.
[1:28:44] >> correct.
[1:28:45] >> Mayor: okay.
[1:28:47] We have no other -- everyone, do
[1:28:48] we have any other comments from
[1:28:50] the dais, our colleagues?
[1:28:51] Any other comments?
[1:28:52] Do I have a motion?
[1:28:53] >> motion.
[1:28:54] >> Mayor: so moved.
[1:28:57] Commissioner stuyvesant.
[1:28:58] Second?
[1:28:58] Do I have a second?
[1:28:58] >> second.
[1:29:00] >> Mayor: second, commissioner
[1:29:00] lama.
[1:29:01] All in favor.
[1:29:08] [Ayes]
[1:29:09] >> Mayor: thank you, rick.
[1:29:10] Item 10-c.
[1:29:12] >> 10-c is a resolution
[1:29:13] rejecting all proposals received
[1:29:16] for request for proposal number
[1:29:17] 22-09-01 for restaurant lease
[1:29:19] and operations at 18050 collins
[1:29:29] avenue.
[1:29:31] >> good evening, honorable
[1:29:35] mayor, and vice mayor, and
[1:29:36] commissioners.
[1:29:39] Tonight I will detail the
[1:29:40] procurement process for the
[1:29:41] subject rfp, in addition I will
[1:29:42] be providing the city manager's
[1:29:47] recommendation.
[1:29:50] On SEPTEMBER 9th, 2022, the city
[1:29:53] released the request for
[1:29:57] proposals, also known as an rfp
[1:29:58] was released on demand star.
[1:30:01] 20 vendors registered as a plan
[1:30:03] holder to receive automatic
[1:30:04] updates regarding this rfp.
[1:30:06] For those of you who are not
[1:30:07] familiar with demand star,
[1:30:10] demand star is a recognized
[1:30:11] procurement database platform
[1:30:12] with thousands of registered
[1:30:13] vendors according to their
[1:30:17] commodity code.
[1:30:19] In addition to demand star, the
[1:30:24] rfp was e-mailed to over 400
[1:30:25] restaurants, listed on the
[1:30:29] florida restaurant and lodging
[1:30:29] association, and the greater
[1:30:30] miami convention and visitors
[1:30:33] database.
[1:30:36] The rfp was also e-mailed --
[1:30:37] >> sorry.
[1:30:38] >> Mayor: thank you.
[1:30:42] [Laughter]
[1:30:44] >> the rfp was also e-mailed to
[1:30:45] approximately 15 interested
[1:30:47] vendors who contacted the city,
[1:30:49] requesting to be added to the
[1:30:53] vendor's list.
[1:30:56] The city held a non-mandatory
[1:30:57] sunshine preproposal conference
[1:30:58] and site visit to the location
[1:31:01] on SEPTEMBER 20th, 2022.
[1:31:05] In which seven interested
[1:31:07] vendors attended the meeting.
[1:31:09] The two dates for the submittals
[1:31:12] was OCTOBER 20th, 2022, no later
[1:31:13] than 11:00 A.M.
[1:31:16] On OCTOBER 20th, the city
[1:31:18] clerk's office received two
[1:31:19] proposals by the said deadline
[1:31:23] in response to the rfp.
[1:31:28] The two proposals was one
[1:31:29] pantheon gastrobarn and prime 29
[1:31:29] inc.
[1:31:31] The evaluation committee
[1:31:33] appointed by the city manager
[1:31:37] was composed of three city
[1:31:38] employees, which was the
[1:31:40] assistant city manager, the
[1:31:42] planning and zoning director,
[1:31:45] and our senior accountant.
[1:31:47] The evaluation committee met to
[1:31:50] review and rank the two
[1:31:52] proposals on NOVEMBER 3rd, 2022
[1:31:53] on the fourth floor conference
[1:31:54] room.
[1:31:56] The meeting was posted on the
[1:31:56] city's website as a sunshine
[1:32:00] public meeting.
[1:32:02] Based off the criteria on page
[1:32:04] 31 of the rfp solicitation, the
[1:32:07] committee evaluated and ranked
[1:32:08] pantheon gastrobar as the
[1:32:11] highest ranked firm.
[1:32:12] After consideration and
[1:32:13] reviewing the committee's
[1:32:15] recommendation the city manager
[1:32:16] finds that it is in the best
[1:32:19] interest of the city to reject
[1:32:20] all proposals.
[1:32:21] Therefore, if you have any
[1:32:22] questions regarding the
[1:32:23] procurement process, I'll be
[1:32:25] more than happy to address them.
[1:32:26] But if not, I will turn it over
[1:32:27] to the city manager, if he
[1:32:29] wishes to expand on his
[1:32:35] recommendation.
[1:32:36] >> mayor, vice mayor, members of
[1:32:37] the commission.
[1:32:37] I felt that as if, with the
[1:32:41] number of bids that we had, we
[1:32:44] only had two viable bids, and I
[1:32:47] didn't think it in the best
[1:32:48] interest of the city to put us
[1:32:49] into a contract for ten years
[1:32:53] based on only two viable bids.
[1:32:55] So with that we would ask your
[1:32:58] guidance in rejecting the bids,
[1:32:59] and placing the property again
[1:33:00] out to bid, if that's your
[1:33:01] desire.
[1:33:08] Thank you.
[1:33:08] >> Mayor: we have two public
[1:33:26] speakers.
[1:33:27] >> hi.
[1:33:29] [Inaudible] Cols avenue.
[1:33:31] We own family business, it's a
[1:33:32] kosher restaurant.
[1:33:34] We are rated the number one
[1:33:37] restaurant in new york city as
[1:33:38] of now.
[1:33:40] Located, we have kosher
[1:33:41] clientele and nonkosher
[1:33:42] clientele, as well.
[1:33:46] And I would like the opportunity
[1:33:49] to proceed across the street.
[1:33:58] And [Indiscernible].
[1:33:59] I think sunny isles is an
[1:34:01] upscale nice for kosher
[1:34:02] restaurant, and it could be
[1:34:05] kosher and nonkosher for other
[1:34:07] clients, as well.
[1:34:07] >> just to clarify.
[1:34:09] You're not one of the two
[1:34:09] vendors?
[1:34:10] >> no.
[1:34:10] Yes.
[1:34:13] >> okay.
[1:34:13] Just wanted to clarify.
[1:34:14] Thank you.
[1:34:16] >> Mayor: so if and when it
[1:34:19] shows up for rebid you're
[1:34:19] certainly welcome to participate
[1:34:22] so that we can have a wider
[1:34:22] sampling.
[1:34:23] >> 100%.
[1:34:25] >> Mayor: -- viable vendors
[1:34:26] rather than just the two that
[1:34:26] submitted.
[1:34:31] >> 100% I would like that.
[1:34:33] -- spoke to before and I
[1:34:34] explainedwhat kind of clientele
[1:34:36] we actually host, commissioners,
[1:34:37] mayors, the PRESIDENT, and on
[1:34:38] and on and on.
[1:34:39] >> Mayor: thank you very much.
[1:34:43] >> thank you.
[1:34:53] >> Mayor: alejandra amada.
[1:34:59] >> hi, good evening.
[1:35:02] Thank you to all the commission
[1:35:05] and mayor to introduce myself.
[1:35:09] My name is alejandro, I'm a real
[1:35:12] estate advisor for b&e
[1:35:14] entertainment restaurant group,
[1:35:17] and I come here to recommend
[1:35:24] adopt the resolution 22-09-01.
[1:35:28] To our group to introduce
[1:35:31] ourselves as well, and for the
[1:35:36] space for 18050 collins avenue.
[1:35:38] I see that my client has
[1:35:41] experience for over 20 years, or
[1:35:43] 25 years in miami beach, in the
[1:35:44] beach miami location.
[1:35:49] It's the greatest beach, and
[1:35:49] going to be a great project for
[1:35:53] sunny isles beach.
[1:35:53] >> Mayor: thank you.
[1:35:56] >> did you bid before?
[1:35:59] >> no.
[1:36:00] >> okay.
[1:36:02] >> and we would like to want to
[1:36:05] adopt the resolution in order to
[1:36:06] have the procurement in this
[1:36:07] case.
[1:36:08] >> okay.
[1:36:12] >> Mayor: thank you.
[1:36:13] >> thank you.
[1:36:16] >> Mayor: I have another from
[1:36:20] your group, I guess elva.
[1:36:24] >> good evening, MADAM Mayor,
[1:36:24] commissioners.
[1:36:26] I'm the director of
[1:36:28] communications for the
[1:36:30] restaurant group as well as my
[1:36:32] colleague alejandro for like for
[1:36:34] you to support the resolution,
[1:36:35] the adoption of the resolution
[1:36:39] for the rejection, provided that
[1:36:42] that happens, our group, 25
[1:36:44] years in miami beach, received
[1:36:45] the key of the city of miami
[1:36:47] beach and soon to reopen the
[1:36:51] news cafe, our group would like
[1:36:51] to, I mean we'll definitely --
[1:36:57] we were not aware of the bid.
[1:36:58] And but definitely provided you
[1:37:00] adopt this resolution, we will
[1:37:00] definitely provide ours.
[1:37:02] Thank you.
[1:37:03] >> Mayor: thank you so much.
[1:37:03] Thank you.
[1:37:06] Okay.
[1:37:08] Do we have any other comments,
[1:37:09] or are we going to take a
[1:37:13] motion?
[1:37:17] >> can -- if we decide not to go
[1:37:20] with the pantheon gastrobar can
[1:37:21] we get maybe direction to start
[1:37:26] the bidding process immediately.
[1:37:29] Now how long -- how does that
[1:37:29] work?
[1:37:30] If we get approved?
[1:37:34] >> mayor, as part of the
[1:37:37] discussion we'd like some
[1:37:38] direction on whether we should
[1:37:38] continue with the current lease
[1:37:42] that we have of the space right
[1:37:43] now.
[1:37:43] >>.
[1:37:44] >> Mayor: I mean in my
[1:37:45] understanding part of the
[1:37:47] impediment or difficulty in this
[1:37:48] process was because there's
[1:37:50] construction going on with the
[1:37:50] garage.
[1:37:50] Right?
[1:37:55] And it makes it difficult to
[1:37:56] really, you know, cars,
[1:37:58] construction, and, you know,
[1:37:58] interference.
[1:38:01] I think that was part of it, to
[1:38:03] allow to get that -- get that
[1:38:04] building finally constructed
[1:38:04] -
[1:38:05] before we --
[1:38:06] >> that's correct.
[1:38:09] There's some pre-existing
[1:38:11] approvals that will take up the
[1:38:13] west side of the property.
[1:38:14] Which would encumber the
[1:38:15] property from the perspective of
[1:38:17] having a dumpster and things
[1:38:17] like that.
[1:38:20] So we currently have an option
[1:38:22] with our existing tenant to
[1:38:24] extend the lease for six months
[1:38:27] up to a year at a rate of
[1:38:30] $20,000 a month.
[1:38:31] >> Mayor: which would, you know,
[1:38:32] more than cover.
[1:38:34] I think the issue really is
[1:38:35] while that construction's going
[1:38:36] on it's difficult for any
[1:38:39] restaurant to really come in,
[1:38:39] and, you know, effectively open
[1:38:40] up.
[1:38:43] I mean, that's part of it.
[1:38:43] Is, you know --
[1:38:46] >> but the fact that we have two
[1:38:48] residents here that are
[1:38:50] interested, they know the
[1:38:51] conditions, as well.
[1:38:53] And even with the process, it
[1:38:54] takes time, right?
[1:38:58] Like you have to announce it,
[1:39:00] and prepare, et cetera.
[1:39:02] So, what would be the time frame
[1:39:06] to start all over again that
[1:39:06] process?
[1:39:08] >> to release the solicitation
[1:39:09] process, at least to advertise
[1:39:10] and release a minimum of 30
[1:39:10] days.
[1:39:11] And that's minimum.
[1:39:15] >> correct.
[1:39:16] >> Mayor: when is that garage
[1:39:17] going to be open?
[1:39:18] Are we talking six months from
[1:39:18] now?
[1:39:21] Or eight months?
[1:39:21] How long --
[1:39:22] >> the estimate is a year.
[1:39:24] So by DECEMBER of next year.
[1:39:27] If not sooner.
[1:39:30] >> MR. City manager, when tony
[1:39:32] roma's was easing the property,
[1:39:32] what was their rent, do you
[1:39:38] recall?
[1:39:39] >> I think it was 20,000 plus a
[1:39:42] percentage.
[1:39:46] >> so it's not -- it's not a
[1:39:47] revenue, it's really more
[1:39:49] because of the staging and the
[1:39:49] construction of the garage --
[1:39:50] >> the city would be at a
[1:39:55] deficit to -- if we leased it
[1:39:56] under those conditions, we
[1:39:58] wouldn't get -- be able to get
[1:40:01] the maximum amount.
[1:40:02] >> the other part is that the
[1:40:04] city would have to pay the
[1:40:06] taxes, and we're in negotiations
[1:40:07] with the current tenant that
[1:40:10] would require them to pay the
[1:40:11] taxes, depending upon the length
[1:40:17] of their next lease with us.
[1:40:18] >> but right now they're --
[1:40:19] >> correct.
[1:40:20] They're scheduled to vacate at
[1:40:21] the end of the month.
[1:40:22] >> and they're interested in
[1:40:24] staying for another year?
[1:40:26] >> yes, they are.
[1:40:27] In conjunction with the
[1:40:27] construction.
[1:40:29] >> I mean, again, that's
[1:40:32] probably why we didn't get a lot
[1:40:33] of bids.
[1:40:33] Right?
[1:40:36] Because no -- it's unrealistic
[1:40:37] to think that a restaurant, even
[1:40:40] if they got in right away, you
[1:40:44] know, whether they could get in,
[1:40:48] and get in the construction and
[1:40:49] interference in that area.
[1:40:52] >> -- out of the city, as well.
[1:40:53] >> construction inside and to
[1:40:55] get ready.
[1:40:56] >> so really doesn't make sense
[1:40:59] for us to resubmit it at this
[1:41:00] point except to the current
[1:41:01] persons --
[1:41:03] >> Mayor: that's my thought.
[1:41:04] >> stay with this situation
[1:41:05] until --
[1:41:06] >> Mayor: it's a --
[1:41:07] >> -- garage construction is
[1:41:08] complete.
[1:41:09] >> Mayor: it's a disservice to
[1:41:10] go immediately into a, you know,
[1:41:11] a bidding process for that
[1:41:14] space, given the construction
[1:41:16] and the impediment that's
[1:41:16] occurring.
[1:41:19] >> but remember that the
[1:41:20] leasing, the bidding process
[1:41:22] would take like three months.
[1:41:26] And once we decide who's going
[1:41:27] to be there they need like four
[1:41:29] to six months also to get ready
[1:41:33] for construction themselves.
[1:41:35] >> yeah, but --
[1:41:37] >> yeah but it's going to happen
[1:41:37] regardless.
[1:41:38] Earlier or later.
[1:41:41] So they're going to need the
[1:41:42] time to build.
[1:41:43] So do we have one construction
[1:41:44] going on or have two
[1:41:45] construction.
[1:41:46] So maybe they can finish at the
[1:41:49] same time.
[1:41:50] And at the time that the
[1:41:51] apartment is ready then the
[1:41:52] restaurant can be opened.
[1:41:52] >> right.
[1:41:56] But in any event this is not the
[1:41:56] moment to take bids.
[1:41:57] Because the garage is not that
[1:42:00] far along.
[1:42:05] >> Mayor: for me, I think we
[1:42:06] should, you know, reach out for
[1:42:06] another six months.
[1:42:10] We can start the bidding process
[1:42:13] in six months maybe --
[1:42:14] >> but why do it --
[1:42:15] >> the tenant, because they
[1:42:18] would be responsible for paying
[1:42:21] the taxes, has requested a
[1:42:22] minimum of a six month
[1:42:22] extension.
[1:42:23] The taxes are approximately
[1:42:25] $60,000 on the space.
[1:42:28] So if the tenant vacates then we
[1:42:29] will be responsible for paying
[1:42:33] the taxes for this next year.
[1:42:34] >> but they have no other
[1:42:35] opportunity to put their offices
[1:42:36] anywhere.
[1:42:37] So I think they need us more
[1:42:38] than we need them.
[1:42:44] >> Mayor: for me I think we
[1:42:48] should, you know, I think we
[1:42:52] should [Inaudible]
[1:42:54] >> yeah, I would think five
[1:42:55] months we could reopen the
[1:42:58] bidding process, and be at a
[1:43:01] good -- at a good, you know,
[1:43:02] look-see situation.
[1:43:03] >> how long does the bidding
[1:43:06] process take?
[1:43:09] What you just walked us through,
[1:43:10] how long did that take?
[1:43:11] >> I'll give you the schedule on
[1:43:12] the existing rfp.
[1:43:13] So the release was SEPTEMBER
[1:43:14] 9th.
[1:43:17] The release that we released it
[1:43:17] on demand star to the public.
[1:43:19] >> so three months.
[1:43:25] Okay.
[1:43:26] >> okay I have my thoughts, too.
[1:43:29] So I think we should desist from
[1:43:30] making tony roma's or the old
[1:43:32] tony roma's a restaurant.
[1:43:33] I think we should use it for
[1:43:34] office space.
[1:43:35] We're super crowded on the third
[1:43:35] floor.
[1:43:38] And if you look at it from a
[1:43:39] productivity standpoint, I think
[1:43:42] that if we move some people
[1:43:44] there, that that will work
[1:43:44] better.
[1:43:44] Okay?
[1:43:46] We're not in the business of
[1:43:47] being landlords.
[1:43:47] Okay?
[1:43:49] We've had bad experiences with
[1:43:49] tony roma's.
[1:43:50] Okay.
[1:43:51] We only got small percentage on
[1:43:53] the dollar.
[1:43:55] For that rent that they owed us.
[1:43:59] And then look at turnberry sales
[1:43:59] office.
[1:43:59] With this administration --
[1:44:01] >> -- the city's --
[1:44:03] >> I'm not saying it's the
[1:44:03] city's fault.
[1:44:05] But, but we should stay focused
[1:44:06] on what our mission is.
[1:44:07] And what our business is.
[1:44:09] And I think we should move -- we
[1:44:10] should use that.
[1:44:11] It's a great space.
[1:44:13] We should use it as office
[1:44:13] space.
[1:44:16] And forget about having a
[1:44:16] restaurant there.
[1:44:19] I mean, there's restaurants
[1:44:19] here.
[1:44:20] And that's not our business.
[1:44:24] I mean, if we tie ourselves up
[1:44:26] for a ten-year lease, I mean
[1:44:27] right now we're having issues
[1:44:29] with space.
[1:44:31] I mean, I don't see why we have
[1:44:35] to make it a restaurant there.
[1:44:37] >> Mayor: alex recognizing your
[1:44:46] comments [Inaudible].
[1:44:47] >> that's not even the issue.
[1:44:50] >> it is.
[1:44:53] >> it's actually both.
[1:44:56] Because, they would have to
[1:44:57] leave these premises on or
[1:45:00] before DECEMBER 31st.
[1:45:03] So if you want an extension --
[1:45:04] >> I thought --
[1:45:08] >> but they need six more months
[1:45:09] in order to agree to pay the
[1:45:16] taxes for the coming year.
[1:45:16] [Inaudible]
[1:45:18] They're asking for a six-month
[1:45:20] minimum extension.
[1:45:24] So if you want to approve this
[1:45:26] item, and then understand or
[1:45:28] give the manager the authority
[1:45:29] to go ahead and negotiate so
[1:45:31] that it starts on JANUARY the
[1:45:33] 1st, and come back to you in
[1:45:39] JANUARY to ratify that lease.
[1:45:41] >> listen, nothing's going to
[1:45:43] happen before six months and
[1:45:45] then we get 20k per month
[1:45:46] correct if not more if they're
[1:45:48] going to move more people in
[1:45:48] there.
[1:45:50] And then they pay our taxes.
[1:45:52] Why not?
[1:45:53] And then we decide whether we
[1:45:55] make it a restaurant or not.
[1:45:57] My idea is no we make it office
[1:45:58] space eventually.
[1:46:01] I mean, why tie ourselves up for
[1:46:03] ten years with a restaurant
[1:46:03] contract.
[1:46:04] So, but anyhow.
[1:46:06] But for now, short-term, yeah,
[1:46:09] six month contract, and they pay
[1:46:10] our taxes.
[1:46:12] >> six months I feel it's a no
[1:46:12] brainer.
[1:46:13] >> what ma'am?
[1:46:28] [Inaudible]
[1:46:29] >> Mayor: we can pass a motion
[1:46:35] to, you know, run out to bid,
[1:46:37] and then also give the manager
[1:46:39] direction to enter into a six
[1:46:40] month lease.
[1:46:42] >> before we do, I do want to
[1:46:47] note I think we have to look --
[1:46:50] and I think right now it's a low
[1:46:52] risk, it makes sense, I get it.
[1:46:55] But I do feel that for the
[1:46:56] businesses to comply, and met
[1:46:57] the deadlines that jumped
[1:47:00] through the hoops, and I'm
[1:47:01] sorry -- I'm sorry if it feels
[1:47:03] like it's wasted time and
[1:47:04] effort.
[1:47:06] So I apologize for that.
[1:47:09] But this is where we're at.
[1:47:13] I mean, I -- I think it's -- I
[1:47:15] think it -- I think it's what
[1:47:17] makes sense to do.
[1:47:21] But I'm sorry about the wasted
[1:47:22] time and resources.
[1:47:26] For the -- for the bidders.
[1:47:28] >> I don't actually --
[1:47:30] >> I'm sock with it.
[1:47:31] >> because four months we're
[1:47:32] going to open it up to bidding.
[1:47:35] >> right, I know.
[1:47:37] >> -- we haven't said that yet.
[1:47:38] >> we have to do that.
[1:47:40] >> Mayor: and we receive the
[1:47:52] income sometime.
[1:47:53] >> the whole point in the first
[1:47:55] place --
[1:47:57] >> it was to provide --
[1:47:58] >> I like the idea of keeping
[1:48:02] the property income producing.
[1:48:04] We don't have other in taxes
[1:48:07] other, you know, we have very
[1:48:08] limited sources of -- the city
[1:48:09] of revenue.
[1:48:11] So I like the idea of having a
[1:48:13] tenant, and right now we do.
[1:48:15] And that meets our primary
[1:48:18] purpose, if we brought in a
[1:48:19] restaurant tomorrow, we would
[1:48:21] not be receiving that rent right
[1:48:22] away.
[1:48:22] Right?
[1:48:22] Because it would be that period
[1:48:25] where they're building out or
[1:48:28] whatever.
[1:48:31] So we don't lose apparently.
[1:48:33] We keep what we have.
[1:48:35] We even get somebody to pay our
[1:48:35] taxes.
[1:48:36] To me that makes sense and I'm
[1:48:39] okay with it.
[1:48:40] And I would move to, you know,
[1:48:45] go ahead and reject it, and --
[1:48:48] >> what's the other part, what
[1:48:49] do you need?
[1:48:49] >> I would like to go into a
[1:48:55] rebid in three months.
[1:48:56] >> three months.
[1:48:57] Four months.
[1:48:59] >> Mayor: if we enter into a six
[1:49:00] month lease I don't know if we
[1:49:02] can rebid in three months.
[1:49:05] Do we need to get into that --
[1:49:09] >> we are bidding right now and
[1:49:09] it's leased.
[1:49:13] >> we could -- we could bid in
[1:49:15] three months' time but then we
[1:49:17] would not bring it back to you
[1:49:20] until the termination of the
[1:49:21] lease.
[1:49:21] >> which would be six months.
[1:49:22] >> which would be six months
[1:49:28] minimum.
[1:49:30] >> so --
[1:49:31] >> Mayor: the garage or
[1:49:33] whatever, I mean, I just don't
[1:49:35] want to put people, make people
[1:49:37] jump through hoops twice.
[1:49:39] >> yeah, but we can't have this
[1:49:40] tied --
[1:49:41] >> but I don't think we can put
[1:49:44] the three months on it.
[1:49:45] I think we can do the three
[1:49:47] month piece when we know what's
[1:49:48] going on.
[1:49:48] >> I agree --
[1:49:50] >> I think as we watch the
[1:49:51] garage develop, and we'll have a
[1:49:53] better idea of whether we can
[1:49:54] actually put it out for bid.
[1:49:56] >> and it MAY be three months.
[1:49:57] >> it could be delays, as well,
[1:49:59] on the garage.
[1:49:59] >> and then, you know --
[1:50:02] >> you never know with
[1:50:04] construction.
[1:50:06] >> Mayor: -- that was the whole
[1:50:10] purpose or the rationale for
[1:50:11] this, you know, leasing out the
[1:50:17] tony roma space.
[1:50:19] If we're -- that as well.
[1:50:22] But again the construction of
[1:50:25] the garage, which really intends
[1:50:25] to run into a restaurant
[1:50:32] operation.
[1:50:33] >> that's my motion.
[1:50:33] >> Mayor: so moved.
[1:50:37] >> to reject, and to proceed
[1:50:37] with the six month lease with
[1:50:38] the current tenant.
[1:50:43] So long as they pay our taxes.
[1:50:44] >> Mayor: okay.
[1:50:45] Do I have a second?
[1:50:45] >> second.
[1:50:45] >> Mayor: second.
[1:50:47] All in favor.
[1:50:48] >> hold on.
[1:50:49] I have a question.
[1:50:52] Will this include -- go out to
[1:50:53] rebid?
[1:50:55] >> no.
[1:50:58] >> put an rfp again?
[1:50:58] So we're just voting on
[1:50:59] rejecting the current proposal.
[1:51:07] Correct?
[1:51:08] We're talking about extending
[1:51:09] the lease to the current ten
[1:51:10] and.
[1:51:10] For six months.
[1:51:11] And then obviously they will pay
[1:51:18] the taxes.
[1:51:19] >> and nothing stops --
[1:51:22] >> but I don't want to vote
[1:51:23] on -- I don't think that should
[1:51:23] be a restaurant.
[1:51:25] I think that should be office
[1:51:26] space.
[1:51:26] Yeah, all right.
[1:51:30] No I just want to make sure.
[1:51:31] I'll second if that's the case.
[1:51:31] >> Mayor: second.
[1:51:33] All in favor.
[1:51:35] [Ayes]
[1:51:35] >> no.
[1:51:35] I vote no.
[1:51:36] >> Mayor: okay.
[1:51:36] 4-1.
[1:51:44] Motion passes.
[1:51:45] Item 10-e.
[1:51:47] >> before we continue,
[1:51:48] commissioners, just to remind
[1:51:50] you all, please speak into the
[1:51:50] mic.
[1:51:51] We have the recording that is
[1:51:53] having difficulty picking up
[1:51:54] your voices, and also members of
[1:51:54] the audience in the back.
[1:51:57] thank you.
[1:51:59] 10-d is a resolution ratifying
[1:52:00] the preach and execution of the
[1:52:01] opioid settlement participation
[1:52:06] agreement with walmart.
[1:52:15] >> Mayor: city manager?
[1:52:16] >> mayor, vice mayor, members of
[1:52:18] the commission, this is similar
[1:52:19] to the opioid settlements that
[1:52:20] we've done in the past and we're
[1:52:21] starting to see a number of
[1:52:22] these from different
[1:52:23] organizations.
[1:52:25] So as part of this, we're
[1:52:29] requesting the ability to
[1:52:34] approve these going forward.
[1:52:37] >> Mayor: no public speakers.
[1:52:37] Any comments?
[1:52:40] Okay.
[1:52:42] Do we have a motion?
[1:52:42] >> so moved.
[1:52:42] >> second.
[1:52:45] >> Mayor: all in favor.
[1:52:47] [Ayes]
[1:52:47] Okay.
[1:52:48] Item 10-e.
[1:52:50] >> 10-e is a resolution
[1:52:57] approving an in-kind donation to
[1:53:00] iprep academy north.
[1:53:01] >> Mayor: equal opportunity stop
[1:53:02] the bleed kit.
[1:53:05] Commissioner joseph?
[1:53:05] >> yes.
[1:53:09] Being that we have 60 students,
[1:53:13] at iprep north, I requested that
[1:53:15] the same accommodation be made
[1:53:17] to iprep north regarding bleed
[1:53:17] kits.
[1:53:22] And it was accepted by the city
[1:53:23] so we have 30 bleed kits going
[1:53:29] to iprep north.
[1:53:30] And I appreciate the approval by
[1:53:37] the city.
[1:53:38] >> so moved.
[1:53:39] >> Mayor: so moved?
[1:53:39] >> second.
[1:53:40] >> Mayor: all until favor --
[1:53:41] >> we have some public speakers.
[1:53:47] >> Mayor: ari steiger.
[1:53:50] >> ari steiger, 262 atlantic
[1:53:51] island.
[1:53:52] I don't think the city should be
[1:53:54] a charity for any high schools.
[1:53:57] My two grand daughters are
[1:54:00] going -- why don't we donate it
[1:54:02] to them, too?
[1:54:04] Everybody comes and do
[1:54:04] donations.
[1:54:06] There's enough money to pay for
[1:54:07] whatever they need.
[1:54:09] Why the city has got to donate
[1:54:15] money to them?
[1:54:17] The two ladies from the city of
[1:54:19] north miami came and want a
[1:54:20] donation, I don't even remember
[1:54:20] for what.
[1:54:22] What is it, every time they need
[1:54:24] a committee or whatever that
[1:54:26] comes for a donation for the
[1:54:26] city?
[1:54:27] Unacceptable?
[1:54:28] >> that was turned down.
[1:54:31] And that was an absolute error.
[1:54:32] >> there's more schools, dade
[1:54:34] county has the money to pay for
[1:54:35] it if they need it.
[1:54:38] My nephew is the cfo for dade
[1:54:38] county.
[1:54:39] Want me to talk to him and
[1:54:42] donate the money?
[1:54:43] >> we've already given bleed
[1:54:44] kits to --
[1:54:46] >> there's no reason this city
[1:54:47] should donate to any other
[1:54:49] school but norman edelcup
[1:54:49] school.
[1:54:50] There's no reason for it.
[1:54:51] It's our money.
[1:54:54] It's our taxpayer money.
[1:54:55] >> these are our students that
[1:54:56] go --
[1:54:58] >> my grand daughters are going
[1:55:00] to a school in miami.
[1:55:03] Why don't we donate to them too?
[1:55:06] We can't donate to any school in
[1:55:07] north miami beach or anyone who
[1:55:09] comes for a donation to the
[1:55:09] city.
[1:55:10] It's not your money.
[1:55:10] It's taxpayers' money.
[1:55:29] [Applause]
[1:55:29] This is just for ----
[1:55:31] >> so I make a motion.
[1:55:31] >> Mayor: thank you.
[1:55:36] Thank you.
[1:55:37] >> I second.
[1:55:40] >> Mayor: ari you have a grand
[1:55:43] daughter that went to the school
[1:55:44] and --
[1:55:45] >> both grand daughters.
[1:55:47] >> Mayor: one wasn't even -- the
[1:55:47] parent lived in aventura.
[1:55:49] Okay?
[1:55:55] So anyway.
[1:55:58] >> I'd just like to comment
[1:55:58] something.
[1:56:00] Obviously we've sat here before,
[1:56:01] ari, I think you were present,
[1:56:07] and we started with norman s.
[1:56:07] Edelcup.
[1:56:09] Then atm is a feeder school of
[1:56:10] ours.
[1:56:11] So we thought about our students
[1:56:11] there.
[1:56:15] And we donated money, and then
[1:56:15] obviously commissioner joseph
[1:56:16] brought up iprep.
[1:56:18] We do have some students there.
[1:56:20] I understand your dilemma or
[1:56:21] your questioning.
[1:56:24] But, you know, the way I look at
[1:56:27] it is safety, and we do have
[1:56:29] students there.
[1:56:30] We do have sunny isles beach --
[1:56:31] [Speaker off mic]
[1:56:31] Not all of them.
[1:56:34] But some of them do.
[1:56:37] A good portion of, atm about a
[1:56:37] third.
[1:56:40] There's plenty of kids from
[1:56:41] sunny isles beach there.
[1:56:41] >> Mayor: there's plenty of kids
[1:56:43] from sunny isles beach that go
[1:56:43] there.
[1:56:44] >> I understand your argument.
[1:56:46] We had that argument here.
[1:56:47] >> Mayor: ari we do stop the
[1:56:48] bleed kits in sunny isles beach.
[1:56:51] And we know that 30% of the kids
[1:56:53] probably don't even -- are from
[1:56:54] parents that don't even live
[1:56:55] here.
[1:56:56] Including one of your
[1:56:56] grandchildren went to that
[1:56:57] school for years, and her
[1:56:58] parents didn't even live in the
[1:56:59] city.
[1:57:01] So, we give -- we give the stop
[1:57:03] the bleed kits for the benefit
[1:57:04] of kids where the parents don't
[1:57:05] even -- don't even reside in our
[1:57:09] city.
[1:57:11] >> -- want to give money to the
[1:57:12] school --
[1:57:13] >> we did not.
[1:57:14] >> Mayor: we didn't give money
[1:57:15] to any two ladies.
[1:57:19] You're speaking out of turn.
[1:57:21] There was two -- ari.
[1:57:23] It's not exactly the case.
[1:57:24] But anyway, we recognize your
[1:57:25] comments.
[1:57:28] And we appreciate your input.
[1:57:30] >> that was an error and it was
[1:57:30] rejected.
[1:57:30] >> Mayor: okay.
[1:57:33] And it's not factually correct.
[1:57:34] But in any event.
[1:57:35] Okay we have a motion, we have a
[1:57:35] second.
[1:57:36] All in favor.
[1:57:43] [Ayes]
[1:57:44] Okay.
[1:57:45] Item 10-f.
[1:57:46] >> 10-f is a resolution
[1:57:46] establishing a charter revision
[1:57:51] commission.
[1:57:53] Mayor, commissioners, as you all
[1:57:54] are aware, the charter calls for
[1:57:57] a revision to be done every ten
[1:57:58] years.
[1:58:03] Pursuant to section 7.4 of the
[1:58:04] charter, the commission, the
[1:58:05] four members of the commission
[1:58:07] with the exception of the mayor
[1:58:09] is entitled to four appointments
[1:58:09] with the only requirement being
[1:58:11] that they have to live in the
[1:58:11] district that I all represent.
[1:58:14] Each one of you.
[1:58:16] and the mayor has the ability to
[1:58:18] appoint one person that can live
[1:58:18] at-large.
[1:58:19] Meaning they can live anywhere
[1:58:19] in the city.
[1:58:22] And also have the authority to
[1:58:24] be able to appoint a nonvoting
[1:58:26] member that's a member of the
[1:58:28] city commission that's serving a
[1:58:30] second consecutive term.
[1:58:31] So this resolution seek to
[1:58:32] establish that so that they can
[1:58:33] commence their proceedings as
[1:58:36] soon as possible.
[1:58:38] >> Mayor: we have public
[1:58:38] speakers.
[1:58:39] Going to announce the
[1:58:41] appointments or want to have the
[1:58:41] speakers first?
[1:58:43] >> I'll mention the
[1:58:44] appointments.
[1:58:45] For vice mayor viscarra, it's
[1:58:47] robert thatcher.
[1:58:52] For commissioner joseph, henry
[1:58:52] strong.
[1:59:00] For commissioner lama, sylvaina.
[1:59:00] And commissioner stuyvesant is
[1:59:02] yvette francola.
[1:59:04] And the mayor's appointment is
[1:59:05] jody joseph.
[1:59:06] And the nonvoting commissioner
[1:59:06] is vice mayor viscarra.
[1:59:08] >> Mayor: okay.
[1:59:13] We have public speakers?
[1:59:22] For 10-f george.
[1:59:25] >> good evening, MADAM Mayor,
[1:59:27] commissioners, vice mayor.
[1:59:28] I would like to address one
[1:59:30] point and that is the timing.
[1:59:30] >> sorry.
[1:59:32] Where do you live, please?
[1:59:34] >> I apologize.
[1:59:36] 18911 collins avenue, ocean
[1:59:36] three.
[1:59:41] My name is george [Inaudible].
[1:59:42] The only point I would like to
[1:59:44] address is the timing of all
[1:59:44] this.
[1:59:49] As you know, we just had an
[1:59:49] election.
[1:59:51] mayor goldman lost.
[1:59:54] For her being a transitional
[1:59:55] figure SEPTEMBER and appointing
[2:00:00] anyone to this commission looks
[2:00:03] suspicious, looks shady, looks
[2:00:04] strange.
[2:00:07] There's no reason why mayor
[2:00:10] goldman, with all due respect to
[2:00:12] her, should be appointing anyone
[2:00:13] to this commission when two
[2:00:15] weeks from now we will have
[2:00:15] another mayor.
[2:00:18] So my recommendation to this
[2:00:20] council, to this commission is
[2:00:25] to reject this proposal for two
[2:00:29] weeks until mayor svechin
[2:00:30] becomes acting mayor.
[2:00:35] And the cloud of this suspicion,
[2:00:37] forgive the repetition, is
[2:00:38] lifted.
[2:00:43] Thank you.
[2:00:49] [Applause]
[2:00:52] >> Mayor: norman edelcup and dan
[2:00:52] lynnhighser.
[2:00:54] >> good evening, honorable mayor
[2:00:55] and commissioners.
[2:00:58] My name is normal edelcup,
[2:01:00] former mayor of this city and
[2:01:05] resident at 244 atlantic isle.
[2:01:06] I'm probably one of the few
[2:01:08] people here that was present
[2:01:11] when the original charter was
[2:01:21] put together and dan lenhieser
[2:01:23] was appointed and when the mayor
[2:01:24] got sworn in or the
[2:01:27] commissioners got sworn in
[2:01:29] within 24 hours from an
[2:01:29] election.
[2:01:33] By the time 2001 came along,
[2:01:36] there were elections and we
[2:01:38] noticed that there probably
[2:01:40] needed to be a change in the
[2:01:46] charter as to the timing
[2:01:47] primarily because of civility
[2:01:49] and courtesy we didn't want to
[2:01:51] be kicking people out of office
[2:01:56] the day after an election and we
[2:01:58] timeline for a smooth
[2:01:59] transition.
[2:02:03] So in 2003 when the last -- the
[2:02:06] first charter revision took
[2:02:07] place, there was a provision
[2:02:10] made in the charter which is
[2:02:22] applying today that anyone
[2:02:22] elected would wait 30 days
[2:02:22] before coming in, realizing that
[2:02:22] there could be a situation where
[2:02:24] there would be a former mayor or
[2:02:25] former commissioner still in
[2:02:27] office for 30 days.
[2:02:32] But we felt the courtesy
[2:02:34] outweighed the negativity of the
[2:02:37] situation and that major issues
[2:02:40] really weren't going to be done
[2:02:42] during let's call it a lame duck
[2:02:43] period.
[2:02:46] And that certainly, a new mayor
[2:02:47] would be given the opportunity
[2:02:48] or a new commissioner would be
[2:02:50] given an opportunity to pick
[2:02:52] people that would be serving on
[2:02:55] committees during their time in
[2:02:56] office.
[2:02:58] So basically, I have two
[2:03:00] recommendations.
[2:03:03] One is change today's meeting to
[2:03:04] include that the four
[2:03:06] commissioners can make their
[2:03:07] appointments today because they
[2:03:09] will be on the new commission.
[2:03:11] But reserve the right for the
[2:03:14] incoming mayor to pick the fifth
[2:03:18] person at the next JANUARY
[2:03:20] meeting, or today just pass the
[2:03:22] resolution that you will have a
[2:03:24] charter committee and in JANUARY
[2:03:27] all of you can fill in the five
[2:03:28] people that you wish to be on
[2:03:31] the committee.
[2:03:33] In this way, I think justice
[2:03:34] would be served.
[2:03:42] The idea that we are basically
[2:03:44] providing for civility and
[2:03:45] common sense would prevail and
[2:03:47] we wouldn't be sitting here with
[2:03:48] this very awkward situation.
[2:03:51] I'd like to now call lynn to
[2:03:53] speak because my time is running
[2:03:53] out.
[2:03:55] And lynn, you can finish up.
[2:04:00] >> let me just say, norman --
[2:04:00] >> yes.
[2:04:07] [Applause]
[2:04:09] When the situation came up in
[2:04:10] the federal government with
[2:04:12] supreme court justices, what was
[2:04:15] the end result?
[2:04:16] >> give me the specifics that
[2:04:19] you are talking about.
[2:04:20] >> when we were told that trump
[2:04:24] should not pick the supreme
[2:04:26] court justice and leave way for
[2:04:28] biden, what was the end result?
[2:04:30] >> we are a local municipality.
[2:04:31] >> I understand.
[2:04:32] >> and I would hope that we
[2:04:34] would have civility in our
[2:04:34] community.
[2:04:38] And I think what you are
[2:04:41] suggesting is just running
[2:04:42] roughshod over the situation.
[2:04:44] But, you know, all I'm doing is
[2:04:45] recommending that this be
[2:04:47] delayed as it relates to the
[2:04:47] mayor.
[2:04:48] I'm not saying it should be
[2:04:50] delayed to anybody else.
[2:04:52] But if each of you are
[2:04:53] appointing somebody, that means
[2:04:55] you are going to be community
[2:04:57] hitting with that one.
[2:04:57] >> Mayor: norman, thank you.
[2:04:59] You made your recommendation.
[2:05:00] >> when the new mayor comes in,
[2:05:01] she will be dealing with someone
[2:05:04] that was appointed by the old
[2:05:07] mayor, whereas all of you can be
[2:05:08] dealing with the person that you
[2:05:09] dealt with, but she won't be
[2:05:12] able to do that.
[2:05:12] [Inaudible]
[2:05:13] I thought I was talking.
[2:05:15] I didn't know you were going to
[2:05:15] override me.
[2:05:17] I would like the same courtesy
[2:05:20] that I gave you when I was
[2:05:21] mayor.
[2:05:23] [Cheers and applause]
[2:05:26] And I'm not attacking the fact
[2:05:31] that her appointment would be
[2:05:33] your [Inaudible].
[2:05:34] That' certainly permissible
[2:05:36] under the code but it is very
[2:05:39] unjust to take a lame duck
[2:05:40] situation and force upon the
[2:05:42] future commission and the future
[2:05:43] mayor a person that she didn't
[2:05:45] even select and would otherwise
[2:05:47] vd the right to select if we had
[2:05:49] left the charter the way it was
[2:05:51] in the beginning.
[2:05:52] But because we wanted to be
[2:05:54] civil with each other, we gave
[2:05:55] everybody 30 days.
[2:05:56] And now somebody just wants to
[2:05:58] take advantage of that, perhaps
[2:06:00] we will have to go and change
[2:06:02] the charter again at this next
[2:06:04] commission to correct what we
[2:06:06] thought was the right thing to
[2:06:10] do, but it did have unintended
[2:06:10] consequences.
[2:06:11] >> Mayor: you are the one who
[2:06:13] made the change.
[2:06:18] [Applause]
[2:06:19] >> mayor goldman is right.
[2:06:20] You did make the change.
[2:06:22] >> Mayor: yeah, you are the one
[2:06:27] that made the change.
[2:06:27] [Inaudible]
[2:06:30] >> MAY it please the commission.
[2:06:32] I'm here only as an historian
[2:06:39] and somebody who in 1997 when I
[2:06:42] was 25 wrote this charter --
[2:06:45] wrote the charter, and we did
[2:06:47] provide, as the national civic
[2:06:50] league recommended, that people
[2:06:55] get installed the day after they
[2:06:58] get elected.
[2:07:01] The situation did arise where it
[2:07:03] became difficult to throw people
[2:07:05] physically out of their offices
[2:07:07] the next day.
[2:07:10] And so that charter
[2:07:12] commission -- the revision
[2:07:14] commission changed it for 30
[2:07:26] days, at which, of course, I
[2:07:26] drafted per their request.
[2:07:26] But it didn't contemplate this
[2:07:27] situation, obviously.
[2:07:27] and that MAY be something you
[2:07:27] want to take up with the new
[2:07:27] revision commission.
[2:07:30] But I'd like to remind you, the
[2:07:32] city was formed -- and the
[2:07:33] reason the charter was drafted
[2:07:35] in the first place was because
[2:07:38] this area was part of the
[2:07:39] county.
[2:07:42] And this -- the residents of
[2:07:44] this city to become wanted
[2:07:45] autonomy and wanted to be able
[2:07:49] to be part of the decision
[2:07:49] making.
[2:07:52] And they wanted the government
[2:07:53] close to themselves.
[2:07:55] So they formed a city and we
[2:07:56] drafted the charter with every
[2:07:58] provision with that question in
[2:07:59] mind.
[2:08:03] Did it reflect the choice of the
[2:08:03] people?
[2:08:04] And that's part of the reason
[2:08:07] that we had the installation and
[2:08:10] commencement of office the day
[2:08:13] after the election.
[2:08:18] So it is, in fairness, that
[2:08:21] mayor edelcup is asking to defer
[2:08:23] the mayor's selection.
[2:08:24] Constitute the charter revision
[2:08:27] per the charter as I'm sure your
[2:08:28] city attorney has told you to
[2:08:31] do, but give consideration to
[2:08:35] the unique circumstances in the
[2:08:36] first instance.
[2:08:40] And in the second instance, babe
[2:08:42] with -- maybe with your charter
[2:08:43] review committee address it and
[2:08:45] potentially go back to the way
[2:08:46] it was intended to be.
[2:08:47] Thank you for your time.
[2:08:49] >> if I MAY say, lynn --
[2:08:50] >> yes, sir.
[2:08:52] >> that I think the election in
[2:08:55] the city here is a reflection of
[2:08:56] what's going on in the country.
[2:08:59] I mean the election was only 20
[2:09:02] votes, so you can't say --
[2:09:02] [Boos]
[2:09:07] You can't say that it is the
[2:09:08] majority.
[2:09:09] >> with respect, commissioner,
[2:09:11] I'm not addressing the politics
[2:09:13] at all.
[2:09:14] >> Mayor: listen.
[2:09:16] >> I am really addressing the
[2:09:17] structure of the document.
[2:09:29] That's it.
[2:09:29] >> Mayor: in my understanding,
[2:09:30] there's a lot of frustration
[2:09:30] because norman edelcup wanted to
[2:09:30] be appointed to the charter
[2:09:30] review commission.
[2:09:30] Okay.
[2:09:30] And so that's a little unfair
[2:09:32] because he's the reason why we
[2:09:34] have the law the way it is
[2:09:34] today.
[2:09:35] >> well, it wasn't --
[2:09:37] >> excuse me, I have never asked
[2:09:40] to be appointed to the charter
[2:09:41] commission.
[2:09:41] >> Mayor: well --
[2:09:44] >> so please stop starting
[2:09:44] rumors.
[2:09:45] >> Mayor: that's what I heard.
[2:09:46] >> the elections are over.
[2:09:47] >> Mayor: I didn't start it.
[2:09:48] You're right, well, not
[2:09:49] necessarily.
[2:09:50] But let's just --
[2:09:51] >> I resent the fact that you
[2:09:53] think I'm trying to get into the
[2:09:56] charter commission.
[2:09:57] >> Mayor: okay.
[2:09:57] >> I don't intend to.
[2:09:58] >> Mayor: for the record, that's
[2:09:59] what I heard.
[2:10:00] I didn't start the rumor, I just
[2:10:01] heard it.
[2:10:02] >> you could have asked me but
[2:10:03] you decided to use it as a
[2:10:04] broadcast right now.
[2:10:06] >> Mayor: no, listen.
[2:10:09] Norman --
[2:10:12] [Applause]
[2:10:14] Norman, you came up to speak
[2:10:14] publicly.
[2:10:16] So that came back to me that you
[2:10:17] were frustrated because you
[2:10:19] wanted to be appointed to the
[2:10:22] charter review commission.
[2:10:34] >> MADAM Mayor, if I MAY just
[2:10:34] say one last thing.
[2:10:34] One of the reasons the charter
[2:10:34] was established was to place
[2:10:34] principles above personalities,
[2:10:35] so that it doesn't involve any
[2:10:35] individual, but it really
[2:10:35] relates to the good of the
[2:10:38] government as a whole.
[2:10:39] And commissioners change and
[2:10:40] it's good.
[2:10:42] It's part of democracy.
[2:10:44] But this government should be
[2:10:45] considered just as a document of
[2:10:48] the people, not political.
[2:10:48] Thank you.
[2:10:49] Thank you so much.
[2:10:50] >> Mayor: thank you.
[2:10:50] [Applause]
[2:10:55] And again I think that -- I
[2:10:57] think that my recommendations
[2:10:59] and my appointments to the
[2:11:00] charter review commission can
[2:11:02] stand on their own merit.
[2:11:05] So that's just -- that's what
[2:11:07] the law is and that's what the
[2:11:08] resolution states.
[2:11:14] So I have no problem with that.
[2:11:15] You'd have to fill out a public
[2:11:17] speakers card.
[2:11:19] I'm sorry.
[2:11:19] [Inaudible]
[2:11:28] If you have it, that's fine.
[2:11:30] If it's on a separate topic --
[2:11:33] is it on this topic or another
[2:11:35] topic?
[2:11:40] [Inaudible]
[2:11:42] >> I don't see a problem with
[2:11:42] it.
[2:11:43] >> Mayor: we're just speaking on
[2:11:44] this particular topic, okay.
[2:11:46] >> it's the same topic.
[2:11:47] >> Mayor: no, we are talking
[2:11:50] about the resolution for
[2:11:51] establishing the charter review
[2:11:52] commission.
[2:11:53] So if you want to speak to the
[2:11:54] charter review commission,
[2:11:54] that's fine.
[2:11:56] >> it's going to be the same
[2:11:57] topic.
[2:12:01] You know, like I just want to
[2:12:10] welcome the [Inaudible].
[2:12:10] [Applause]
[2:12:12] You know, I'm here like to
[2:12:12] represent.
[2:12:14] I have thousands and thousands
[2:12:16] and thousands of people behind
[2:12:16] my back.
[2:12:18] A lot of people couldn't come
[2:12:19] today because it's a working
[2:12:20] day.
[2:12:22] But a lot of people just wanted
[2:12:26] to tell huge, huge welcome to
[2:12:27] larisa.
[2:12:29] Not only from miami, but from
[2:12:32] the whole country.
[2:12:33] And, you know, they are all
[2:12:34] excited.
[2:12:35] >> Mayor: please, your name.
[2:12:36] What is your name?
[2:12:36] I'm sorry.
[2:12:37] Your name and your address.
[2:12:42] >> my name is olga.
[2:12:45] >> what is your address, please?
[2:12:48] >> I live in the colony estates.
[2:12:49] I don't know the address because
[2:12:52] I just moved in here.
[2:12:52] >> what?
[2:12:55] >> what's my address?
[2:12:57] I lived at ocean.
[2:12:59] So 1701, but I just moved like a
[2:13:00] month ago to the new building.
[2:13:02] But I lived in the united states
[2:13:04] for 40 years, but it's a new
[2:13:05] address for me.
[2:13:10] But we welcome her for a long
[2:13:11] time.
[2:13:13] She helped me years ago when she
[2:13:16] wasn't the mayor.
[2:13:17] We talked a long time when she
[2:13:20] wasn't the mayor for years.
[2:13:21] She has been very supportive in
[2:13:24] a lot of topics.
[2:13:26] We are very excited and we are
[2:13:28] looking forward for the years to
[2:13:28] come.
[2:13:29] Thank you so much for
[2:13:29] supporting.
[2:13:30] We are looking forward to work
[2:13:34] with all commissioners.
[2:13:35] We are planning a lot of events.
[2:13:37] And actually, it's a huge
[2:13:38] schedule so be ready to work
[2:13:39] with us.
[2:13:40] And we are very excited.
[2:13:41] Thank you so much.
[2:13:42] [Applause]
[2:13:43] >> Mayor: okay.
[2:13:49] We have the resolution to
[2:13:50] establish the charter review
[2:13:50] commission.
[2:13:53] Do we have a motion?
[2:13:53] >> motion.
[2:13:55] >> Mayor: motion to approve
[2:13:55] commissioner joseph.
[2:13:59] Do we have a second?
[2:13:59] >> second.
[2:14:00] >> commissioner stuyvesant.
[2:14:00] >> Mayor: all in favor.
[2:14:01] [Ayes]
[2:14:06] Motion passes.
[2:14:08] [Applause]
[2:14:09] >> Mayor: okay.
[2:14:10] Item number 10g.
[2:14:12] >> 10g is a resolution accepting
[2:14:13] the results of the general
[2:14:18] runoff election held on tuesday
[2:14:20] DECEMBER 6th, 2022 declaring
[2:14:22] larisa svechin to be elected as
[2:14:23] mayor.
[2:14:25] Self-explanatory, mayor and
[2:14:26] commissioners, accepting the
[2:14:27] results.
[2:14:28] I'd like to clarify one thing
[2:14:31] that's on the resolution.
[2:14:33] It is incorrectly listing the --
[2:14:35] I'm sorry, let me just pull it
[2:14:38] up for you really quickly.
[2:14:43] The total number of votes cast
[2:14:45] for each candidate.
[2:14:48] The resolution listed at 3,320,
[2:14:55] but it's actually 3,318.
[2:14:56] [Inaudible]
[2:14:56] Yes, just for the record to
[2:14:59] clear it up.
[2:14:59] >> Mayor: okay.
[2:15:03] We have a public speaker for
[2:15:03] 10g.
[2:15:07] Do you want to speak or no?
[2:15:10] >> what was the name?
[2:15:19] >> Mayor: capra.
[2:15:20] >> I'm just going to read my
[2:15:21] comment.
[2:15:23] Dana, my first experience
[2:15:25] knowing you created a belief
[2:15:27] that the little man with the
[2:15:29] mouth, your husband michael
[2:15:31] gates, forced the evil from you.
[2:15:33] In part, that was true, but you
[2:15:38] proved to be far worse.
[2:15:39] Your $20 million lawsuit of lies
[2:15:40] exposed you and you paid the
[2:15:42] price for your evil act in more
[2:15:44] ways than money.
[2:15:45] Your loss today --
[2:15:47] >> greg, this is totally -- this
[2:15:48] is so inappropriate.
[2:15:49] >> it's appropriate, believe me.
[2:15:49] >> Mayor: it's no, sir,
[2:15:50] appropriate.
[2:15:51] And I will ask you --
[2:15:54] >> it took years to expose you.
[2:15:54] >> Mayor: I'm sorry.
[2:15:58] But you're going to --
[2:16:00] >> you showed your true self to
[2:16:00] them.
[2:16:01] >> Mayor: this is not
[2:16:01] appropriate.
[2:16:06] This is totally not appropriate.
[2:16:07] [Cross talking]
[2:16:08] It's not appropriate.
[2:16:08] >> okay.
[2:16:10] Then you declare him out of
[2:16:11] order.
[2:16:12] >> Mayor: you're out of order.
[2:16:15] You ask him to stop.
[2:16:15] >> Mayor: stop.
[2:16:16] >> if he doesn't stop --
[2:16:17] >> Mayor: you will be escorted
[2:16:17] out.
[2:16:19] >> you can ask him out.
[2:16:20] >> Mayor: please leave the room.
[2:16:22] I'm sorry, please leave the
[2:16:23] room.
[2:16:25] Please, leave -- please, can we
[2:16:28] have the police?
[2:16:29] Wait.
[2:16:30] luke, luke, we're going to have
[2:16:32] you escorted out of the room.
[2:16:36] We are going to have you
[2:16:37] escorted out of the room.
[2:16:41] Get him out of the room.
[2:16:43] [Crowd noise]
[2:16:55] [Crowd chanting]
[2:17:10] [Crowd noise]
[2:17:10] >> we can't.
[2:17:11] >> Mayor: we have to be
[2:17:15] appropriate.
[2:17:19] [Crowd noise]
[2:17:21] >> mayor, can you have a motion?
[2:17:27] >> Mayor: for what?
[2:17:29] [Crowd noise]
[2:17:31] What?
[2:17:32] >> a motion.
[2:17:34] A motion.
[2:17:41] Call for order.
[2:17:42] >> Mayor: I'm sorry.
[2:17:43] This is not --
[2:17:45] >> he can stay.
[2:17:46] >> Mayor: this is so not
[2:17:48] appropriate, this type of
[2:17:48] behavior.
[2:17:50] It's really not appropriate.
[2:18:06] This is not -- this is not --
[2:18:08] >> we need a motion.
[2:18:13] >> Mayor: this is not -- this is
[2:18:15] not -- this is meant to harass.
[2:18:20] It's not on topic.
[2:18:21] [Crowd noise]
[2:18:22] >> Mayor: I mean what is the
[2:18:23] purpose of this?
[2:18:25] Just to harass me?
[2:18:30] >> yes.
[2:18:33] [Crowd noise]
[2:18:34] >> let's unite everybody.
[2:18:39] Let us celebrate, okay.
[2:18:53] [Crowd noise]
[2:18:57] >> thank you, MS. Olga.
[2:19:02] [Applause]
[2:20:04] [Crowd noise]
[2:20:06] >> we have a time at the end of
[2:20:09] the commission meeting for open
[2:20:09] discussion.
[2:20:13] That would be the time for any
[2:20:15] speeches such as what we just
[2:20:15] had.
[2:20:18] And I'll leave it at that.
[2:20:21] >> let me read from the code if
[2:20:21] I MAY.
[2:20:24] Any person making impertinent or
[2:20:28] slanderous remarks or becomes
[2:20:30] boisterous while addressing the
[2:20:31] commission shall be barred from
[2:20:32] further appearance before the
[2:20:34] commission by the presiding
[2:20:35] officer unless permission to
[2:20:36] continue or again address the
[2:20:38] commission is granted by the
[2:20:40] majority vote of the commission
[2:20:42] members present.
[2:20:46] In my opinion, that was
[2:20:47] slanderous.
[2:20:47] [Crowd noise]
[2:20:50] >> no, it is true.
[2:20:51] [Crowd noise]
[2:20:52] >> and it further says that no
[2:20:56] clapping, applauding, heckeling
[2:21:01] or verbal outbursts shall be
[2:21:01] permitted.
[2:21:03] Persons exiting the commission
[2:21:05] chambers shall do so quietly.
[2:21:07] But it's up to you whether you
[2:21:09] want to hear the rest of
[2:21:10] whatever time he had left.
[2:21:12] I don't know what that is.
[2:21:13] >> Mayor: so we can take a
[2:21:16] majority vote?
[2:21:16] >> yes.
[2:21:18] >> Mayor: I'll leave it to my
[2:21:19] colleagues to make the vote.
[2:21:26] >> I vote no.
[2:21:27] >> jeniffer.
[2:21:28] >> no, I agree.
[2:21:30] I think that was inappropriate.
[2:21:33] And I mean it's such a horrible
[2:21:35] way -- I mean this is a vote on
[2:21:37] an election result.
[2:21:38] I mean you are just really
[2:21:40] setting the wrong tone here.
[2:21:41] I don't think it's appropriate
[2:21:45] at all.
[2:21:46] >> Mayor: and you are a
[2:21:48] supporter and you don't agree.
[2:21:54] >> okay, all right.
[2:22:00] Can I see that card, his card?
[2:22:00] >> Mayor: 10g.
[2:22:03] >> so it was 10g, obviously it
[2:22:04] was off topic, okay.
[2:22:05] And then going back to what the
[2:22:08] city attorney said and the name
[2:22:11] calling I think is very
[2:22:11] inappropriate.
[2:22:14] So I don't see the point in it.
[2:22:16] You know, I think it's just name
[2:22:16] calling.
[2:22:18] And I don't see that adds to
[2:22:19] anything if we're looking to
[2:22:22] move forward.
[2:22:24] So maybe you're stuck in the
[2:22:26] past, but I mean we need to move
[2:22:28] forward.
[2:22:29] Name calling, you know, is not
[2:22:31] my cup of tea and I will not
[2:22:32] allow that.
[2:22:32] Okay?
[2:22:34] No matter what the personal
[2:22:36] issues you have with that
[2:22:37] person, we are at a commission
[2:22:38] meeting and we are here to
[2:22:41] discuss city business, not
[2:22:41] personal business.
[2:22:43] So let's keep it at that.
[2:22:45] Thank you.
[2:22:47] >> and I'd like to also say,
[2:22:50] greg, that you --
[2:22:51] [Applause]
[2:22:55] You have already aired all of
[2:22:57] your rhetoric against the mayor,
[2:23:00] the former mayor on facebook.
[2:23:02] Everyone has seen it.
[2:23:04] Everyone has seen it on
[2:23:04] facebook.
[2:23:06] I think you have put out
[2:23:07] everything possibly that could
[2:23:09] be put out against the mayor.
[2:23:10] So anyone could go back and look
[2:23:11] at it.
[2:23:13] `we don't have to hear it
[2:23:13] tonight.
[2:23:14] Thank you.
[2:23:15] >> mayor, MAY I speak?
[2:23:19] >> Mayor: no, you're not even --
[2:23:19] [Cheers and applause]
[2:23:20] You're not even --
[2:23:22] you just walk up to the mic?
[2:23:23] You can't -- you want to fill
[2:23:25] out a public speaker card.
[2:23:26] this is not --
[2:23:27] >> I'll fill it out but you as
[2:23:28] the chair can allow me to speak
[2:23:31] a few minutes.
[2:23:32] >> Mayor: okay.
[2:23:34] >> so I just want to say that I
[2:23:36] was hoping that this would not
[2:23:36] happen.
[2:23:38] I definitely want the city to be
[2:23:38] united.
[2:23:40] I do not in any way support or
[2:23:42] condone anyone on this dais to
[2:23:44] be insulted in any way.
[2:23:46] Although I am a believer in free
[2:23:48] speech, it has a time and a
[2:23:49] place.
[2:23:50] And so this is certainly not how
[2:23:55] I expected this item to go down
[2:23:56] because as olga has indicated,
[2:23:58] we do want to just move on
[2:23:59] because it's not about
[2:24:00] personalities, it's about the
[2:24:01] office of mayor.
[2:24:04] It's about the office
[2:24:05] commissioner and we need to
[2:24:06] respect that office no matter
[2:24:08] what we think of a person
[2:24:09] individually because it changes.
[2:24:11] And that's the reality.
[2:24:12] So I hope that we can just get
[2:24:14] past this and get united and
[2:24:15] just move on, please.
[2:24:16] Thank you.
[2:24:18] Thank you for letting me speak.
[2:24:21] >> so you are a supporter of
[2:24:23] cabra with his behavior?
[2:24:25] >> Mayor: you're a supporter?
[2:24:26] >> I'm asking that we move on.
[2:24:27] I'm not condemning anyone.
[2:24:30] I'm not supporting anyone.
[2:24:32] >> so you're against what he
[2:24:32] did?
[2:24:33] No, I'm sorry.
[2:24:35] So you are against what he did?
[2:24:37] >> I am not in any support of
[2:24:38] anyone being insulted.
[2:24:40] >> specific, so you are a
[2:24:40] supporter.
[2:24:41] Are you okay with what he was
[2:24:42] doing?
[2:24:44] >> okay, time out.
[2:24:46] I think, listen, at this
[2:24:46] point --
[2:24:47] >> I am not looking to debate
[2:24:48] with anyone.
[2:24:50] >> hold on, at this point --
[2:24:51] [Cross talking]
[2:25:10] >> thank you.
[2:25:10] [Inaudible]
[2:25:11] >> thank you, olga.
[2:25:12] I don't think this is the time
[2:25:14] or a place to have this
[2:25:17] discussion.
[2:25:32] [Inaudible]
[2:25:34] >> she can't do anything about
[2:25:35] this.
[2:25:38] Dana can't do anything about
[2:25:39] this.
[2:25:43] It's not a problem --
[2:25:44] >> let me just say it's very,
[2:25:46] very difficult to sit up there.
[2:25:48] It's very challenging and it is
[2:25:49] especially hard when someone
[2:25:51] comes up against whatever it is
[2:25:53] you are voting on or you
[2:25:54] personally and I have had that
[2:25:54] happen to me.
[2:25:56] It's not pleasant.
[2:25:58] And yes, fabiola, I do not
[2:26:01] condone in any way anyone
[2:26:02] insulting anyone from here to
[2:26:03] this body because I have the
[2:26:05] utmost respect for this body.
[2:26:06] And that is the reason that I
[2:26:08] ran and I intend to maintain
[2:26:09] that promise.
[2:26:11] So that's why I'm just asking
[2:26:12] that we just move on, please.
[2:26:15] Thank you.
[2:26:22] [Applause]
[2:26:23] >> Mayor: okay.
[2:26:25] We have no other public
[2:26:25] speakers.
[2:26:25] >> yes, we did.
[2:26:26] We had one more.
[2:26:33] >> Mayor: we have one more.
[2:26:33] Felix.
[2:26:36] [Crowd noise]
[2:26:38] [Boos]
[2:26:38] >> wow.
[2:26:39] >> hold on.
[2:26:42] Hold on.
[2:26:43] >> Mayor: did we MISS The
[2:26:44] comments and the rules?
[2:26:45] Come on.
[2:26:46] >> everybody, please, time-out.
[2:26:48] Let's get our heads straight.
[2:26:50] Please, let's get our heads
[2:26:51] straight.
[2:26:52] We are here to discuss city
[2:26:52] business.
[2:26:54] We are not here to heckle.
[2:26:55] We're not in high school.
[2:26:57] Okay.
[2:27:09] So please, seriously, this is
[2:27:09] getting out of hand.
[2:27:09] Okay?
[2:27:09] That's it.
[2:27:09] Enough.
[2:27:09] >> thank you.
[2:27:12] My name is felix kizner, I live
[2:27:15] at 250 174th street, honorable
[2:27:16] mayor, honorable vice mayor,
[2:27:20] members of the commission, as
[2:27:21] thomas jefferson once said the
[2:27:22] government that you deserve is
[2:27:24] the government you elect.
[2:27:25] And vice versa, the government
[2:27:28] you elect is the government you
[2:27:28] deserve.
[2:27:30] Thank you for the people that
[2:27:32] volunteered and voted because
[2:27:36] that's what makes america great.
[2:27:36] People's participation.
[2:27:46] But it's done with respect, not
[2:27:46] with heckling.
[2:27:46] Not with personal attack and
[2:27:46] pointing fingers at the city
[2:27:46] commission.
[2:27:46] That's not what america is
[2:27:46] about.
[2:27:49] That's what russia is about.
[2:27:52] That's what venezuela is about.
[2:27:54] But not sunny isles beach.
[2:27:56] And I don't think we should let
[2:27:59] anybody make a spectacle out of
[2:27:59] our city.
[2:28:01] We have a very nice city up
[2:28:01] until today.
[2:28:02] And I don't
[2:28:04] i don't understand what
[2:28:05] happened to it.
[2:28:06] I have been living here since
[2:28:07] the year 2000.
[2:28:10] I still thank everyone who
[2:28:11] volunteered, who were the poll
[2:28:13] watchers and took the time.
[2:28:16] And again, now I have a question
[2:28:17] to the canvassing board.
[2:28:20] There was a question about
[2:28:23] district number 3.
[2:28:24] And that district you had two
[2:28:27] machines where people voted.
[2:28:29] One machine was broken most of
[2:28:31] the time and it had to be reset
[2:28:31] from what I understand.
[2:28:34] I know my relatives came to
[2:28:34] vote.
[2:28:37] One of them had 415 votes,
[2:28:39] that's why there was a lot more.
[2:28:42] One had 185 votes if that's
[2:28:43] correct, the numbers that I
[2:28:43] have.
[2:28:44] The machine that didn't work
[2:28:45] most of the day or part of the
[2:28:49] day I guess had no problem with
[2:28:49] transmission.
[2:28:51] The machine that didn't work
[2:28:53] well all the day had a problem
[2:28:56] with transmission.
[2:28:58] But in america today, we have
[2:29:02] great amount of factors to make
[2:29:04] sure the vote is proper.
[2:29:07] I'm sorry, this is not poinciana
[2:29:08] board of directrs, this is city
[2:29:09] commission board of directors.
[2:29:11] So please give me the respect
[2:29:12] that I gave you when you spoke.
[2:29:14] So bottom line is I know that
[2:29:15] there's safety factors.
[2:29:18] One of the things is the drive,
[2:29:20] which is a machine which was
[2:29:23] taken to the city because the
[2:29:24] transmission didn't take place
[2:29:26] on the machine that worked all
[2:29:28] day, which is especially coded.
[2:29:33] And number two, there are other
[2:29:34] safety factors such as physical
[2:29:34] count.
[2:29:36] Because the election is so close
[2:29:37] that
[2:29:41] close, did the canvassing board
[2:29:43] think to physically count from
[2:29:44] the machine?
[2:29:45] >> Mayor: can we hear him
[2:29:46] respectfully like we just went
[2:29:47] through, please?
[2:29:49] >> so bottom line, was it ever
[2:29:50] considered to do a physical
[2:29:52] count because it's only 600
[2:29:52] votes?
[2:29:53] To make sure that the machine
[2:29:54] where people put in the votes
[2:29:57] and spit it out and there was no
[2:29:58] double counting or anything like
[2:29:58] that.
[2:30:01] Thank you.
[2:30:10] I'm done speaking, thank you.
[2:30:11] >> Mayor: everyone, please
[2:30:12] observe the decorum, please.
[2:30:14] This is a little out of hand.
[2:30:16] It's a little out of hand,
[2:30:19] everybody.
[2:30:20] Okay.
[2:30:22] >> okay.
[2:30:23] So is it considered ever
[2:30:25] physically recounting?
[2:30:25] [Crowd noise]
[2:30:31] Thank you.
[2:30:32] >> Mayor: okay.
[2:30:36] Public speaker comments are
[2:30:37] done.
[2:30:41] And I think we -- do we have any
[2:30:45] comments about this item?
[2:30:49] Do we have any comments on this?
[2:30:50] >> mayor, commissioners --
[2:30:54] >> Mayor: for me, I have some
[2:30:56] concerns about -- I have some
[2:30:57] concerns, but I'm willing to,
[2:30:59] you know, hear from my
[2:31:01] colleagues.
[2:31:09] [Crowd noise]
[2:31:11] Go ahead, commissioner lama,
[2:31:12] commissioner joseph, does anyone
[2:31:14] have any comments on this item?
[2:31:16] Or are we just going to take a
[2:31:16] motion?
[2:31:17] >> are you going to answer some
[2:31:18] of the questions?
[2:31:20] Or the canvassing board?
[2:31:21] >> no, we don't -- we don't
[2:31:24] answer any of those questions.
[2:31:25] No.
[2:31:26] >> Mayor: the canvassing board
[2:31:29] has basically certified and this
[2:31:31] is a min
[2:31:33] ministerial vote
[2:31:39] essentially.
[2:31:40] >> let's then put it up for a
[2:31:42] vote.
[2:31:42] >> Mayor: okay.
[2:31:43] >> we need a motion.
[2:31:44] >> Mayor: are you making a
[2:31:45] motion?
[2:31:48] >> no.
[2:31:50] >> okay, hold on.
[2:31:53] Let's discuss this a little bit.
[2:31:53] >> Mayor: sure.
[2:31:54] >> obviously there's some
[2:31:55] questions here, okay.
[2:31:56] We could discuss it.
[2:31:57] Are you going to discuss it with
[2:32:00] me, both of you on the
[2:32:01] canvassing board?
[2:32:03] Tell me a little bit.
[2:32:04] I know there was a 20-vote
[2:32:05] difference.
[2:32:08] I want to understand why it did
[2:32:12] not go to a recount, okay.
[2:32:14] Why did it not trigger a
[2:32:14] recount?
[2:32:15] I just want to understand.
[2:32:18] I want to understand for the
[2:32:21] sake of the public, okay.
[2:32:23] Because what?
[2:32:27] >> the percentage was.06.
[2:32:28] >> I know it did not trigger it
[2:32:30] but felix posed some guess and I
[2:32:32] want to be able to air this out.
[2:32:34] I understand it, but I just want
[2:32:36] the public to understand this a
[2:32:37] little bit.
[2:32:38] >> sure, sure.
[2:32:41] Under state law, a machine
[2:32:44] recount is only run in the event
[2:32:48] that the margin is more than 1/2
[2:32:49] of 1%.
[2:32:51] >>.5.
[2:32:52] >> correct.
[2:32:52] This was.6.
[2:32:57] so there's no recount under the
[2:32:57] machines.
[2:32:58] And what they do is they just
[2:33:00] run the ballots
[2:33:01] ballots back through the
[2:33:02] machines.
[2:33:03] You never get to a manual
[2:33:05] recount unless the difference
[2:33:08] after that is.25%.
[2:33:11] So we never got to.25%.
[2:33:13] And that's why there's no
[2:33:13] recount.
[2:33:16] Now, I will tell you that I
[2:33:17] participated in the canvassing
[2:33:19] board meeting last friday.
[2:33:20] And at the end of the day what
[2:33:22] happens is that the supervisors
[2:33:25] of elections staff do what they
[2:33:27] call an audit, a precinct audit.
[2:33:30] What they do is take all four
[2:33:31] precincts here and put them on
[2:33:33] little stickers --
[2:33:33] >> five.
[2:33:34] >> five precincts.
[2:33:35] They put them in a bowl.
[2:33:37] Somebody picks out a number and
[2:33:38] that's the number of the
[2:33:38] precinct.
[2:33:40] They bring out all of the
[2:33:45] ballots, both the vote ballots
[2:33:47] and previously received ballots
[2:33:49] and they do a manual recount.
[2:33:49] -
[2:33:50] and when they did that, the
[2:33:52] numbers were exactly matching
[2:33:53] what the results were.
[2:33:54] >> yes.
[2:33:56] And I happen to have asked the
[2:33:57] question whether there has ever
[2:33:59] been a change.
[2:34:02] And they answered no.
[2:34:02] >> right.
[2:34:04] >> so only one precinct was
[2:34:05] audited.
[2:34:05] >> yeah.
[2:34:07] According to state law, right.
[2:34:08] >> what precinct was that?
[2:34:10] >> it was 2.
[2:34:11] >> the church.
[2:34:13] >> which was the church,
[2:34:14] correct.
[2:34:15] >> but it was totally random.
[2:34:16] You know, it was one out of five
[2:34:19] and they pulled it out of a
[2:34:19] fishbowl.
[2:34:20] >> and is
[2:34:22] is there any validity to
[2:34:23] some of the question marks,
[2:34:25] rumors that we hear about
[2:34:26] precinct 3?
[2:34:28] >> I don't have any knowledge of%
[2:34:30] any of those events.
[2:34:31] >> it's moot because they
[2:34:34] randomly selected district 2.
[2:34:36] >> the supervisor's office and
[2:34:38] canvassing board have now
[2:34:39] certified those results.
[2:34:40] And all you're doing is
[2:34:42] accepting them.
[2:34:43] >> okay.
[2:34:44] >> and if someone has, you
[2:34:45] know --
[2:34:46] >> because I want the public to
[2:34:50] understand and I want people to
[2:34:51] learn, you know.
[2:34:51] [Crowd noise]
[2:34:53] No, I know.
[2:34:54] But not everybody does.
[2:34:58] There's a lot of rumors out
[2:34:58] there.
[2:35:01] So I think information is key
[2:35:02] and knowledge is key.
[2:35:04] So I'm asking --
[2:35:08] [Crowd noise]
[2:35:09] Well, I didn't know you had
[2:35:10] corporate attorneys.
[2:35:12] I don't know what you are
[2:35:12] talking about.
[2:35:13] Yeah, yeah.
[2:35:15] Yeah, not --
[2:35:15] [Inaudible]
[2:35:16] Okay okay, yeah.
[2:35:18] I just want, you know, to
[2:35:24] understand and get this --
[2:35:25] [Inaudible]
[2:35:27] How do you know?
[2:35:28] [Laughter]
[2:35:28] [Inaudible]
[2:35:30] Are you sure?
[2:35:32] No, but I just wanted to
[2:35:34] repeat --
[2:35:35] [Inaudible]
[2:35:37] Well, no, no.
[2:35:37] >> Mayor: okay.
[2:35:37] >> no.
[2:35:38] Fair enough.
[2:35:40] But I think it's always good to
[2:35:42] impart information and
[2:35:42] knowledge.
[2:35:44] So, you know, it is not done in
[2:35:46] a malicious way.
[2:35:48] It's just done in a way to
[2:35:49] understand, for people to
[2:35:51] understand and be informed.
[2:35:51] Okay.
[2:35:58] So yeah.
[2:35:59] >> Mayor: are we done?
[2:36:01] >> yeah, anybody have any
[2:36:01] comments?
[2:36:02] >> Mayor: yes, I mean obviously
[2:36:07] there are some concerns raised
[2:36:08] about the number of ballots and
[2:36:09] so forth.
[2:36:13] But this is purely an
[2:36:15] administerial vote to ratify
[2:36:17] what are the results of the
[2:36:19] canvassing board.
[2:36:21] >> but another authority has
[2:36:22] already determined.
[2:36:26] >> okay.
[2:36:29] >> Mayor: correct.
[2:36:32] >> I think in the spirit of
[2:36:34] following the rules -- because I
[2:36:35] think that's -- I'm sorry, but I
[2:36:37] don't think we have ever had
[2:36:41] bullying in this --
[2:36:46] this is such a poor tone to this
[2:36:47] transition, right.
[2:36:49] We have somebody who --
[2:36:50] >> and it's unnecessary as well
[2:36:52] I have to say.
[2:36:54] >> you know, the rules apply to
[2:36:54] you guys.
[2:36:56] They apply to us as well.
[2:36:58] We have to take a vote.
[2:36:59] It says you shall do it, so
[2:37:00] we'll do it.
[2:37:02] I'll make my motion in a moment.
[2:37:04] But I would ask in the future,
[2:37:10] it really doesn't help the
[2:37:12] booing and the screaming and
[2:37:14] from your seats -- it's not
[2:37:14] helpful
[2:37:15] it's not helpful.
[2:37:17] If you want to express your
[2:37:19] support and your excitement, do
[2:37:21] it in an appropriate way.
[2:37:23] Screaming from your chairs is
[2:37:25] not an appropriate way.
[2:37:27] So please.
[2:37:31] In the future, you know, just
[2:37:34] hold it or call somebody on the
[2:37:38] phone outside.
[2:37:40] Or go vent somewhere else, just
[2:37:42] not from your seats.
[2:37:43] Okay.
[2:37:47] And with that, I would make a
[2:37:48] motion.
[2:37:51] >> Mayor: do we have a second?
[2:37:52] >> second.
[2:37:59] >> Mayor: all in favor.
[2:37:59] [Ayes]
[2:38:02] >> and that's how we follow the
[2:38:05] rules.
[2:38:07] [Applause]
[2:38:08] >> Mayor: okay.
[2:38:09] We're on discussion items.
[2:38:12] >> no, mayor, we have the three
[2:38:14] add-on items.
[2:38:14] >> Mayor: citizens forum.
[2:38:16] >> no, we have the three
[2:38:17] add-ons.
[2:38:21] >> yes.
[2:38:22] >> 10h.
[2:38:25] 10h, the add-on.
[2:38:28] >> Mayor: oh, 10h.
[2:38:29] >> 10h is a resolution approving
[2:38:31] a third amendment to the
[2:38:33] agreement with granicus to
[2:38:36] provide website redesign
[2:38:38] services, data management and
[2:38:39] webcasting services.
[2:38:43] I'll start this off, mayor, as
[2:38:44] it's the intermediate manager
[2:38:45] reporting.
[2:38:47] Granicus is the company that we
[2:38:50] use to manage our agenda and
[2:38:54] publishing it on the website.
[2:38:56] >> could you just wait like 30
[2:39:01] seconds, please?
[2:39:28] [Inaudible]
[2:39:55] >> thank you.
[2:39:56] >> okay, I think we're good.
[2:39:58] Please, thank you.
[2:39:59] >> okay.
[2:40:01] So granicus is the provider that
[2:40:05] we use to manage our agendas and
[2:40:09] publish them on the city's
[2:40:09] website.
[2:40:11] So in light of the fact that we
[2:40:14] use them already for numerous
[2:40:15] services, the meeting department
[2:40:19] decided to also contract them
[2:40:20] for redesigning the website.
[2:40:22] And I'll turn that over to leah
[2:40:24] so she can mention it.
[2:40:25] >> honorable mayor, vice mayor
[2:40:27] and commission, we wish to
[2:40:29] partner with granicus to build a
[2:40:30] brand-new user-friendly secure
[2:40:33] A.D.A. Compliant and modern
[2:40:33] website.
[2:40:35] After much research and demos
[2:40:37] with other vendors, we found
[2:40:38] granicus to be the most suitable
[2:40:41] for our needs and aleading
[2:40:42] provider in the government
[2:40:42] sector.
[2:40:44] We will be piggybacking the ncpa
[2:40:46] which is the national
[2:40:47] cooperative purchasing alliance
[2:40:51] contract and also peyton owen is
[2:40:53] the representative from granicus
[2:40:59] and is here tonight in case you
[2:41:00] have any questions.
[2:41:02] >> well then, if I could just
[2:41:03] say one thing, congratulations
[2:41:04] to leah.
[2:41:06] She's no longer the interim
[2:41:07] media manager.
[2:41:09] As of million dollars,
[2:41:12] monday, she'll be our
[2:41:15] media manager.
[2:41:20] [Applause]
[2:41:21] >> a motion.
[2:41:23] >> motion to approve.
[2:41:25] >> Mayor: do I have a motion?
[2:41:26] >> so moved.
[2:41:27] >> Mayor: second.
[2:41:27] >> second.
[2:41:28] >> Mayor: all in favor.
[2:41:29] [Ayes]
[2:41:29] >> thank you.
[2:41:30] >> Mayor: thank you, good night.
[2:41:33] >> I'd like to see some mocks of
[2:41:34] the new website eventually.
[2:41:35] That will be cool.
[2:41:37] I'm waiting.
[2:41:37] >> you bet.
[2:41:39] So excited, by the way, to be
[2:41:41] able to come to this city and
[2:41:44] see how beautiful it is and the
[2:41:44] residents.
[2:41:45] We're super excited to be able
[2:41:48] to work with you guys on this
[2:41:49] new project.
[2:41:51] Part of our project experience
[2:41:53] will be sharing a bunch of
[2:41:55] different design faces, getting
[2:41:57] the feedback from both the
[2:41:58] public and the staff members on
[2:42:00] how you want to create that
[2:42:01] digital curb appeal.
[2:42:02] >> all right, thank you.
[2:42:04] >> thank you.
[2:42:10] [Applause]
[2:42:12] >> Mayor: item 10j.
[2:42:14] >> 10I, mayor, authorizing the
[2:42:15] city manager or designee to
[2:42:17] purchase necessary janitorial
[2:42:19] and sanitation supplies and
[2:42:20] equipment from imperial dade for
[2:42:25] fiscal year 2022-2023.
[2:42:26] >> good evening, mayor, vice
[2:42:30] mayor and commissioners.
[2:42:31] The public works department is
[2:42:33] seeking for the approval of a
[2:42:34] blanket purchase order with
[2:42:39] imperial dade for the necessary
[2:42:41] janitorial, sanitation supplies,
[2:42:42] equipment and related services
[2:42:46] for this fiscal year '22-23 in
[2:42:49] an amount not to exceed
[2:42:55] $100,000.
[2:42:58] >> Mayor: do we have comments?
[2:43:00] We thank you.
[2:43:00] >> motion.
[2:43:01] >> Mayor: motion, so moved,
[2:43:03] anyone.
[2:43:03] >> second.
[2:43:05] >> Mayor: who's got the first?
[2:43:06] >> vice mayor viscarra.
[2:43:08] >> I won, I won.
[2:43:10] >> Mayor: okay.
[2:43:10] Second?
[2:43:12] All in favor.
[2:43:13] [Ayes]
[2:43:14] >> thank you.
[2:43:17] >> Mayor: it's getting late.
[2:43:19] Item 10j.
[2:43:20] >> 10j is a resolution urging
[2:43:21] members of the florida
[2:43:24] legislature to support the 2023
[2:43:26] florida league of cities
[2:43:27] legislative platform.
[2:43:29] >> yeah.
[2:43:33] So this is, you know, nothing
[2:43:33] new.
[2:43:36] In fact, commissioner lama, I
[2:43:37] don't know if you want to
[2:43:39] co-sponsor this or not given you
[2:43:41] are the flc rep.
[2:43:42] I jumped on it when it came
[2:43:44] through my email to make it an
[2:43:45] add-on.
[2:43:47] Basically, this is just to give
[2:43:50] us an outline provided by the
[2:43:51] florida league of cities in
[2:43:52] terms of the kinds of things
[2:43:56] that we are going to support
[2:43:58] legislatively this includes -- a
[2:44:01] lot of it is based around home
[2:44:04] rule which is cities and
[2:44:06] legislation that supports us
[2:44:08] keeping our power.
[2:44:09] Three of the points are like
[2:44:11] around different aspects of
[2:44:13] short-term rentals, workforce
[2:44:14] housing is one of the things
[2:44:16] which we heard in the
[2:44:19] presentation today about the
[2:44:19] condos.
[2:44:22] What else?
[2:44:23] Traditional and alternative
[2:44:24] modes of transportation.
[2:44:26] But basically, it's all the
[2:44:28] preservation of municipal
[2:44:30] authority and supporting that
[2:44:32] type of legislation.
[2:44:33] So I don't know, commissioner
[2:44:34] lama, if you wanted to add to
[2:44:35] that.
[2:44:35] >> yeah.
[2:44:38] Thank you very much for inviting
[2:44:39] me to be a co-sponsor.
[2:44:40] >> sure.
[2:44:41] >> this is great.
[2:44:42] Obviously, we know the
[2:44:44] importance of, you know,
[2:44:47] advocating, you know, with the
[2:44:49] miami-dade county league of
[2:44:50] cities and at the state level
[2:44:51] with the florida league of
[2:44:52] cities.
[2:44:53] And there are many issues that,
[2:44:56] you know, we keep -- we need to
[2:44:58] keep advocating, protecting home
[2:45:00] rule and other issues that
[2:45:01] affect municipalities.
[2:45:04] So yeah, this is great, great
[2:45:05] idea.
[2:45:08] And yeah, kudos for this.
[2:45:12] >> okay, awesome.
[2:45:12] >> Mayor: okay.
[2:45:12] >> anything else?
[2:45:14] >> Mayor: is there a motion?
[2:45:15] >> so moved.
[2:45:16] >> Mayor: second?
[2:45:16] >> second.
[2:45:19] >> Mayor: all in favor.
[2:45:19] [Ayes]
[2:45:21] Okay.
[2:45:24] We're on to discussion.
[2:45:25] >> yeah.
[2:45:28] >> Mayor: citizens forum, okay.
[2:45:31] >> any speakers?
[2:45:32] [Inaudible]
[2:45:37] >> Mayor: is somebody here from
[2:45:41] nina nikoloff.
[2:45:46] >> I am, I am.
[2:45:47] >> hello.
[2:45:49] >> hello, good evening.
[2:45:51] It's almost night.
[2:45:52] Yes.
[2:45:57] And my name is nina nikoloff.
[2:45:59] >> I'm sorry, where do you live,
[2:45:59] please?
[2:46:00] Your address.
[2:46:01] >> Mayor: name and address for
[2:46:02] the record.
[2:46:03] >> okay.
[2:46:11] My address is 251 74th street
[2:46:12] unit 1208 sunny isles beach.
[2:46:15] Yes, I arrived to this apartment
[2:46:21] in JUNE 2027.
[2:46:22] [Inaudible] Who is also the
[2:46:25] PRESIDENT Of the association.
[2:46:29] Immediately, I was notified of
[2:46:31] the need to pay a special
[2:46:35] assessment in the amount of
[2:46:36] almost 30,000.
[2:46:43] And in our balance, it was so
[2:46:46] bad numbers about they showed
[2:46:53] losses cost 400,000, yes, and it
[2:46:54] is many, many understandable
[2:46:58] number when I will need to pay,
[2:46:59] yet in this situation.
[2:47:02] In AUGUST, the PRESIDENT
[2:47:04] Announced that the building
[2:47:09] could not pass the 50-year
[2:47:11] certification and was in
[2:47:11] disrepair.
[2:47:16] I bought very, very expensive
[2:47:16] apartment.
[2:47:20] I need to pay a special
[2:47:21] assessment.
[2:47:24] I need to pay many, many money
[2:47:26] for losses for balance.
[2:47:32] And I bought an apartment in
[2:47:35] emergency situation --
[2:47:38] emergency, yes.
[2:47:41] And in violence of our bylaws,
[2:47:45] board members do not report at
[2:47:47] meeting after approving
[2:47:48] 13 million contribution.
[2:47:51] The board does not show monthly
[2:47:55] report even on the debit.
[2:48:00] From SEPTEMBER I asked them
[2:48:01] please report to us.
[2:48:08] They did not report.
[2:48:10] Only it was [Inaudible].
[2:48:11] At 8 DECEMBER it was the meeting
[2:48:15] and on after the meeting could
[2:48:19] they show the website report
[2:48:21] from AUGUST, from SEPTEMBER and
[2:48:22] now more.
[2:48:26] And we got so, so terrible.
[2:48:31] They showed only our -- I am
[2:48:31] sorry.
[2:48:35] I am so worried, yes.
[2:48:40] to pay so many for only one
[2:48:43] month, our debt was for
[2:48:46] 1 million more, for 1 million
[2:48:47] more.
[2:48:50] And this is --
[2:48:50] [Tone]
[2:48:51] I am sorry.
[2:48:52] I am sorry.
[2:48:53] I am sorry, thank you.
[2:48:58] And I only work, this is the
[2:48:59] result of working.
[2:49:01] I am sorry.
[2:49:02] But this is --
[2:49:09] >> excuse me
[2:49:09] [Inaudible]
[2:49:14] >> he was for the person of the
[2:49:17] sunny isles beach, how it can
[2:49:20] be.
[2:49:26] Everybody knew it is really --
[2:49:29] building is understandable
[2:49:30] for -- [Inaudible]
[2:49:31] >> Mayor: thank you.
[2:49:34] >> it is emergency.
[2:49:35] Okay.
[2:49:38] And now however, the main
[2:49:41] problem is the threat that more
[2:49:45] than 400 families live in the
[2:49:50] building that is in this
[2:49:50] disrepair.
[2:49:52] They MAY lost their home and
[2:49:55] they stay on the street.
[2:50:01] The complaint filed with dpr was
[2:50:04] accepted for consideration only
[2:50:07] for fourth time and now it is in
[2:50:08] a year if you
[2:50:09] if you cannot get letter
[2:50:11] answer from them.
[2:50:17] However, the most understandable
[2:50:28] fact for us is that
[2:50:31] MR. Pissaloff was the citizen of
[2:50:32] the city hall.
[2:50:33] >> Mayor: thank you so much for
[2:50:33] your comments.
[2:50:35] >> hi, I'd just like to ask
[2:50:36] you -- I'm sorry.
[2:50:37] Excuse me.
[2:50:39] I'd just like -- was the new
[2:50:40] mayor aware that you were going
[2:50:42] to speak tonight?
[2:50:44] Because she should be here to
[2:50:46] hear your complaint.
[2:50:49] I'm surprised she left.
[2:50:50] >> no.
[2:50:50] Ma'am --
[2:50:51] >> I arrived here.
[2:50:52] Can I talk?
[2:50:54] >> ma'am, I'll tell you one
[2:50:55] thing.
[2:50:57] So we, as a city, don't have
[2:50:58] jurisdiction over some of the
[2:51:01] items you said, like, you know,
[2:51:03] assessments and some issues with
[2:51:05] your association and the
[2:51:06] association PRESIDENT.
[2:51:08] You mentioned that you filed a
[2:51:12] complaint against the wpr.
[2:51:15] Do you know spencer hennings?
[2:51:20] He's our rep so he's the
[2:51:22] ombudsman
[2:51:22] [Inaudible]
[2:51:23] >> Mayor: we are aware.
[2:51:27] There is a personal dispute
[2:51:30] because the winston terrace 100
[2:51:32] leveraged a large special
[2:51:33] assessment for structural and
[2:51:35] other repairs so there's a group
[2:51:37] of owners in the winston 100 who
[2:51:39] are very upset about a special
[2:51:40] assessment and wants to use this
[2:51:43] forum as an opportunity to
[2:51:45] discuss it including the
[2:51:46] PRESIDENT.
[2:51:47] >> okay, unfortunately, we don't
[2:51:49] have jurisdiction on the
[2:51:51] assessments they can levy.
[2:51:52] >> Mayor: we are aware of the
[2:51:54] complaint and we are aware of
[2:51:56] the special assessment and we
[2:51:58] are aware of the circumstances.
[2:51:59] So I know there are a couple of
[2:52:02] other people that would like to
[2:52:05] speak, including michael kueko
[2:52:06] which seems to be the leader of
[2:52:07] this effort.
[2:52:08] So perhaps he wants to use his
[2:52:10] three minutes to discusses
[2:52:13] special assessment as well.
[2:52:15] But we are well aware of this.
[2:52:18] Again, I would like to echo
[2:52:20] commissioner lama's sentiment
[2:52:23] which is every building in
[2:52:25] winston towers right now and
[2:52:27] every building throughout the
[2:52:31] city is not only contemplating a
[2:52:32] multi-million dollar special
[2:52:34] assessment, but is in the middle
[2:52:36] of it or will have one due to
[2:52:38] not only recertification
[2:52:44] requirements, but also four-year
[2:52:45] 50 recertification and the new
[2:52:46] milestone inspection
[2:52:47] requirements that are mandated
[2:52:49] by 4d, the state law.
[2:52:52] So we are -- even though I know
[2:52:55] it's concerning for the winston
[2:52:57] towers 100, please bear in mind
[2:52:58] that there are buildings
[2:53:01] throughout this city that
[2:53:02] people -- in fact, there's
[2:53:03] another building in this city
[2:53:06] where each unit owner is now
[2:53:08] paying 70,000 or $80,000 a unit,
[2:53:11] just per unit for one special
[2:53:12] assessment.
[2:53:13] So while it MAY not be
[2:53:15] comforting to you, you're not
[2:53:16] alone because a lot of buildings
[2:53:18] are facing this very issue of a
[2:53:19] special assessment.
[2:53:21] >> I did not talk about our
[2:53:21] assessment.
[2:53:27] I only talked about we are upset
[2:53:31] about that people who make so
[2:53:35] bad situation for more than for
[2:53:39] 1,000 people.
[2:53:41] And they were [Inaudible]
[2:53:43] >> Mayor: I understand.
[2:53:44] Okay.
[2:53:45] >> and, of course, of course,
[2:53:47] this is the city.
[2:53:49] They destroyed our building.
[2:53:55] And he got this very, very --
[2:53:57] how this can be?
[2:53:58] >> Mayor: I appreciate your
[2:53:58] comments.
[2:54:01] But the idea that he destroyed
[2:54:03] the building I think is -- I'm
[2:54:05] not sure that -- I'm not sure
[2:54:08] that that's something that we
[2:54:09] can really opine on or really,
[2:54:13] you know, have a discussion
[2:54:13] about.
[2:54:17] But I thank you for your
[2:54:18] comments.
[2:54:20] Michael kuekovich, would you
[2:54:22] like to speak?
[2:54:30] You have three minutes.
[2:54:30] >> hello, michael.
[2:54:31] >> hi, guys.
[2:54:33] Thank you very much for letting
[2:54:34] me talking to you.
[2:54:35] Good evening.
[2:54:45] My name is michael kuekovich in
[2:54:47] 250 74th street, sunny isles
[2:54:47] beach.
[2:54:51] I am resident of this building
[2:54:52] from 2012.
[2:54:54] And since now the situation in
[2:54:56] this building has gotten worsen
[2:54:57] and worsen.
[2:55:01] For the last three years, the
[2:55:05] association collected four
[2:55:06] special assessment $14 million.
[2:55:09] You know this, okay.
[2:55:14] They start asking for 12 years
[2:55:18] that he should provide financial
[2:55:20] transparency of all the work in
[2:55:21] the building.
[2:55:22] No answer.
[2:55:25] We sent a letter to the office
[2:55:33] in DECEMBER 2021 with 51 other
[2:55:33] owners.
[2:55:35] This same creation after we sent
[2:55:38] this letter to dppr.
[2:55:41] All these people, taxpayers for
[2:55:49] sunny isles beach.
[2:55:50] MR. Pissolov sued me and two
[2:55:55] more people for defamation for
[2:55:56] giving an answer and
[2:55:56] explanation.
[2:56:01] I have been contacted to
[2:56:06] MR. Joseph and dana goldman.
[2:56:08] I am suffering emotional and
[2:56:10] financial for 11 months.
[2:56:13] The association wasting money
[2:56:18] for our building [Inaudible] For
[2:56:18] me and the neighbors.
[2:56:22] And they make paying emotional
[2:56:23] distress in addition to other
[2:56:28] people who live in the winston
[2:56:28] towers.
[2:56:35] Our building is not --
[2:56:35] [Inaudible].
[2:56:38] And I said you have to know
[2:56:41] everybody, why we coming to you
[2:56:42] asking for help.
[2:56:49] I am asking larisa svechin, new
[2:56:51] elected mayor to help us stop
[2:56:52] this nuance.
[2:56:53] >> where is she?
[2:56:55] Is she here?
[2:56:56] >> okay.
[2:56:58] I live give to her.
[2:56:59] >> maybe she'll watch it on
[2:57:00] television.
[2:57:00] >> maybe.
[2:57:01] >> Mayor: and how would you
[2:57:04] expect her to help stop the
[2:57:07] nonsense?
[2:57:09] >> I don't know.
[2:57:10] You probably know.
[2:57:13] >> Mayor: you asked.
[2:57:14] >> maybe --
[2:57:14] >> Mayor: you have to help her
[2:57:16] stop the nonsense.
[2:57:17] What nonsense are you referring
[2:57:18] to?
[2:57:21] The lawsuit?
[2:57:21] >> yes.
[2:57:24] >> Mayor: how can she stop the
[2:57:24] lawsuit?
[2:57:26] >> well, you have to stop the
[2:57:31] lawsuit to people, to neighbors
[2:57:32] when you can put [Inaudible]
[2:57:33] >> Mayor: you are asking her to
[2:57:35] stop a lawsuit between you and
[2:57:37] the association?
[2:57:40] >> yes, because the association
[2:57:41] is not only me.
[2:57:46] It's a lot of people.
[2:57:46] [Inaudible]
[2:57:47] >> Mayor: wait a second.
[2:57:49] Do you really think she can stop
[2:57:50] the nonsense, that she'll stop
[2:57:54] the lawsuit between you and the
[2:57:54] association?
[2:57:56] >> no, I not think this.
[2:57:57] >> Mayor: you said I'm asking
[2:57:59] her to stop the nonsense.
[2:58:01] >> nonsense, of course.
[2:58:03] we have to work with these
[2:58:03] people.
[2:58:05] Maybe we have to involve an
[2:58:08] election, election is not
[2:58:08] correct.
[2:58:11] We have a lot of issues with the
[2:58:13] election if we cannot change
[2:58:15] this board.
[2:58:15] >> michael.
[2:58:16] >> yes.
[2:58:19] >> you stated that I -- yes.
[2:58:20] >> did not look to assist you.
[2:58:21] Is that true?
[2:58:24] Or did I try to help you to
[2:58:27] mediate your situation?
[2:58:31] >> I cannot tell you came to the
[2:58:32] association.
[2:58:36] You tried but you couldn't.
[2:58:36] >> right.
[2:58:38] >> she also tried but couldn't.
[2:58:39] >> Mayor: how is larisa going to
[2:58:41] do what the commissioner and
[2:58:43] mayor couldn't do?
[2:58:45] >> I don't know why you --
[2:58:47] >> Mayor: you want her to stop
[2:58:48] the nonsense.
[2:58:49] >> it's the association.
[2:58:54] It's you, jerry, norman and me.
[2:58:54] >> correct.
[2:58:57] >> and you lie in front of
[2:59:01] [Inaudible] And you not stomp at
[2:59:01] him.
[2:59:02] >> Mayor: but the point is --
[2:59:05] >> he never use a credit card.
[2:59:06] >> Mayor: michael --
[2:59:07] >> after I use it.
[2:59:08] >> Mayor: a public official
[2:59:09] cannot stop the nonsense.
[2:59:11] This is a dispute between you
[2:59:13] and the association.
[2:59:15] So while it's great to use
[2:59:16] the --
[2:59:17] >> winston towers is a private
[2:59:18] building.
[2:59:18] >> Mayor: this is not something
[2:59:20] that a public official can just
[2:59:22] put some fairy dust over.
[2:59:25] >> we can only intercede out of
[2:59:25] courtesy.
[2:59:27] >> Mayor: so I mean you're
[2:59:28] welcome to ask anybody to stop
[2:59:30] the nonsense, but in some ways
[2:59:32] you have to -- this is a private
[2:59:33] matter.
[2:59:33] >> yeah, I know.
[2:59:34] I understand this.
[2:59:37] But I come in here wondering
[2:59:38] what the reason is you have to
[2:59:40] pay attention to this building.
[2:59:46] The building is a lot of young
[2:59:49] people
[2:59:51] you have to explain to people in
[2:59:54] the building what you're doing.
[2:59:58] You have to be peaceful.
[3:00:01] We come in here.
[3:00:01] Make peace.
[3:00:03] New commissioner, new mayor.
[3:00:03] Everybody.
[3:00:04] >> michael, you --
[3:00:06] >> you go to building, when you
[3:00:08] speak -- when you come into
[3:00:08] building.
[3:00:13] >> you said there have been four
[3:00:14] assessments.
[3:00:16] Have there been repairs to the
[3:00:16] building at all?
[3:00:17] >> no.
[3:00:18] >> zero repairs?
[3:00:19] >> no.
[3:00:20] >> just demolition for six
[3:00:23] months.
[3:00:25] >> there have been zero repairs
[3:00:27] with four assessments?
[3:00:28] Is that true?
[3:00:43] >> zero repairs.
[3:00:44] [Inaudible]
[3:00:44] >> okay.
[3:00:50] So these assessments are over
[3:00:52] how many years the four
[3:00:52] assessments.
[3:00:54] These four assessments are over
[3:00:55] how many years?
[3:00:57] >> three years.
[3:00:58] So in three years there hasn't
[3:01:03] been any repairs done?
[3:01:04] >> no.
[3:01:06] >> can you speak to the
[3:01:07] microphone, so we're not
[3:01:09] speaking from the seats, please.
[3:01:21] [Inaudible]
[3:01:21] .
[3:01:21] Name and address.
[3:01:21] >> my name is ina and I live in
[3:01:21] towers 100, apartment 1202.
[3:01:21] I'm living there for more than
[3:01:23] three years, for three years,
[3:01:26] they collect four asisments,
[3:01:28] they always collect for the same
[3:01:29] problems, swimming pool,
[3:01:31] elevator and roof.
[3:01:32] Every time they're collecting
[3:01:34] the assessments, it means the
[3:01:44] job was not done, right?
[3:01:44] Why?
[3:01:46] >> how old is your building?
[3:01:48] >> 50 years.
[3:01:51] >> have the elevators ever been
[3:01:51] replaced?
[3:01:58] These are the original
[3:01:58] elevators?
[3:01:58] [Inaudible]
[3:01:59] >> then the county should look
[3:02:06] at the elevators --
[3:02:08] >> well, several elevators are
[3:02:09] out of service already.
[3:02:11] >> my suggestion would be to
[3:02:14] contact the district attorney's
[3:02:16] office, they will be looking
[3:02:20] into the hoa's and doing an
[3:02:21] investigation.
[3:02:22] If they're collecting the money
[3:02:26] and not doing what they need to
[3:02:28] be doing, it will be good to
[3:02:30] contact the district attorney's
[3:02:33] office, I'm going to give you my
[3:02:35] information so I can check --
[3:02:37] >> and you have my card here as
[3:02:37] well.
[3:02:38] >> one second, please.
[3:02:41] If I can put you in contact with
[3:02:42] them, we're going to try.
[3:02:43] >> okay.
[3:02:44] >> but I think --
[3:02:45] >> I --
[3:02:47] >> I never heard about this
[3:02:48] issue before.
[3:02:49] >> to your point.
[3:02:51] They have filed multiple -- you
[3:02:54] have filed multiple claims with
[3:02:57] the ombudsman, the attorney
[3:03:01] general, you have made numerous
[3:03:02] filings, correct?
[3:03:03] You have made filings?
[3:03:04] >> yes, yes.
[3:03:06] We have --
[3:03:07] >> I'll help you --
[3:03:09] >> when it comes to the office,
[3:03:10] they're not giving any
[3:03:11] documentation, any --
[3:03:12] >> by law.
[3:03:14] >> you know by law, they're
[3:03:16] required to provide you with
[3:03:17] official records.
[3:03:18] >> exactly.
[3:03:20] >> within 10 day as.
[3:03:23] >> precisely, yeah.
[3:03:24] >> mayor: I'm not sure again.
[3:03:27] I haven't evaluated, in my
[3:03:29] humble opinion, under state law,
[3:03:31] they're required to furniture
[3:03:33] the documents, if I had to
[3:03:34] guess, you have received some
[3:03:35] documentation.
[3:03:36] >> they're supposed to have a
[3:03:37] website with all the
[3:03:38] information.
[3:03:41] >> that's true.
[3:03:42] >> mayor: they're required to
[3:03:43] have a website.
[3:03:46] >> no statement of credit card,
[3:03:47] no statement of --
[3:03:48] >> there's not an official
[3:03:49] record.
[3:03:50] They have to give it to you by
[3:03:51] law.
[3:03:52] >> no, no, no.
[3:03:53] >> they're not giving it to us.
[3:03:56] >> contracts, financial reports
[3:03:57] should be on that website by
[3:03:57] law.
[3:04:02] >> by law.
[3:04:03] >> the security --
[3:04:08] >> just so you know, the state
[3:04:10] regulates condos, the dvpr.
[3:04:15] >> the dvpr has original
[3:04:17] jurisdiction over official
[3:04:17] records request.
[3:04:20] If you're requesting a specific
[3:04:21] record and you file it, and give
[3:04:23] a certified letter, you give
[3:04:24] two, you should be able to get
[3:04:25] those records.
[3:04:28] So again, I don't know the
[3:04:30] particulars, but I know you have
[3:04:33] an absolute right for access to
[3:04:37] records, right?
[3:04:40] But the complaint against you
[3:04:42] for defamation has nothing to do
[3:04:45] with the official records,
[3:04:45] correct?
[3:04:47] >> that's different.
[3:04:47] [Inaudible]
[3:04:51] >> mayor: but again, that's
[3:04:53] something completely separate?
[3:04:56] Whatever it is, whatever it
[3:04:57] is --
[3:04:57] [Inaudible]
[3:04:59] >> mayor: but whatever it is,
[3:05:01] it's a separate matter, your
[3:05:04] access, your access as a unit
[3:05:07] owner to records is an absolute
[3:05:07] right.
[3:05:09] It's completely within your
[3:05:11] right to get those records, if
[3:05:12] you don't within 10 days of
[3:05:13] request, you have recourse.
[3:05:15] And you're aware of that, and
[3:05:19] I'm sure you filed with the dvpr
[3:05:20] for those records, correct?
[3:05:34] >> no, no, you know what -- they
[3:05:36] present one woman, they don't
[3:05:39] let him come into office.
[3:05:41] Normally they tell people, you
[3:05:44] let him -- don't let him --
[3:05:46] >> mayor: because I what?
[3:05:49] >> you tell him, don't let him
[3:05:50] come into the office?
[3:05:51] >> mayor: I said don't let you
[3:05:53] come into the office?
[3:05:53] >> to people.
[3:05:56] This coming to me.
[3:05:57] >> mayor --
[3:05:58] >> mayor: I'm sorry.
[3:05:59] >> mayor, I'm sorry, this is a
[3:06:02] civil matter, this is a civil
[3:06:04] matter that doesn't -- we don't
[3:06:05] have any jurisdiction.
[3:06:07] We need to move on to the next
[3:06:07] person.
[3:06:09] >> why you don't let him come
[3:06:10] into the office.
[3:06:11] >> I -- listen.
[3:06:13] >> let me enjoy -- I'm all
[3:06:16] the -- the one who doesn't know
[3:06:16] what your address is, you
[3:06:20] already know.
[3:06:23] List ing, guys, I think that in
[3:06:26] the -- I work with you, I'm
[3:06:28] you're consultant, so she works
[3:06:32] in home care agency, and they
[3:06:33] consult you because I have huge
[3:06:34] experience.
[3:06:36] I work with a lot of people that
[3:06:38] live in this building.
[3:06:40] A lot of these people don't know
[3:06:42] what they're doing, they don't
[3:06:43] understand what they're doing.
[3:06:45] People take advantage of them,
[3:06:51] they don't speak very good
[3:06:52] english.
[3:06:53] I think they were taken
[3:06:55] advantage of for years, she
[3:06:58] said, he said, it should end.
[3:07:00] You guys should hire an
[3:07:01] attorney.
[3:07:03] Donna said, he said, she said.
[3:07:03] It should stop.
[3:07:05] You need to get the legal --
[3:07:07] what you're saying right now,
[3:07:09] I'm very sorry, that's nonsense,
[3:07:11] that's just a kindergarten
[3:07:13] level, I can't listen to that.
[3:07:17] What does donna have to do with
[3:07:17] what's --
[3:07:19] >> ma'am, ma'am, can you all
[3:07:20] have the discussion outside?
[3:07:21] >> yes.
[3:07:24] >> thank you, we need to move
[3:07:24] on.
[3:07:26] It's a civil matter.
[3:07:27] >> mayor: it seems to me you
[3:07:30] want to pull the city into this
[3:07:31] drama, and we're not really
[3:07:32] involved.
[3:07:35] >> we have no jurisdiction.
[3:07:36] There is the state --
[3:07:38] >> michael, what this lady is
[3:07:40] saying to you is what I've been
[3:07:41] saying to you.
[3:07:43] >> they have nothing to do with
[3:07:45] it, a lot of seniors, you know,
[3:07:48] it was when they have -- they
[3:07:50] have problems, they do
[3:07:51] complaining, what was happening
[3:07:53] in the 100 building, some
[3:07:55] something I would never imagine
[3:07:57] would happen in the united
[3:07:57] states of america.
[3:08:02] >> it happens all along 174th, I
[3:08:03] live in the 300 and we've gone
[3:08:06] through the same issues.
[3:08:08] >> concerns about records, but
[3:08:09] there's --
[3:08:11] >> michael, call me tomorrow.
[3:08:14] >> no, we're not -- we have no
[3:08:16] jurisdictions over hoa's or
[3:08:17] condos, that's the state.
[3:08:18] And you need to get an attorney.
[3:08:21] >> that's correct, nothing.
[3:08:21] >> I'd like to add something,
[3:08:24] though.
[3:08:25] I'd like to add something, I'm
[3:08:26] in conversations with the
[3:08:27] county, okay?
[3:08:30] And the county does have a
[3:08:32] special program that they're
[3:08:34] starting where they'll give you
[3:08:37] a loan so people can pay for
[3:08:39] their special assessments, okay?
[3:08:40] I'm gathering the information,
[3:08:42] so once I gather all the
[3:08:44] information, I'll make sure our
[3:08:46] media department, that we post
[3:08:48] it, and we spread the
[3:08:49] information, okay?
[3:08:50] >> but for me it seems like,
[3:08:52] that's not about special
[3:08:52] assessment.
[3:08:54] >> no, well, the other lady
[3:08:56] talked about special
[3:08:56] assessments.
[3:08:57] >> mayor: but it is about a
[3:08:59] special assessment, because
[3:08:59] this --
[3:09:00] >> yeah.
[3:09:01] >> they said --
[3:09:03] >> no, but --
[3:09:07] >> this all started because
[3:09:09] there was a multimillion dollar
[3:09:11] special assessment, that's when
[3:09:13] the whole thing devolved in that
[3:09:13] building.
[3:09:15] It completely relates.
[3:09:17] If there weren't this 14 million
[3:09:19] or $12 million special
[3:09:20] assessment, no one would be
[3:09:23] upset in that building, it all
[3:09:24] stems from that special
[3:09:25] assessment.
[3:09:26] Their questions are, where is
[3:09:30] the money going, where is the
[3:09:32] money being spent, nothing is
[3:09:32] getting done.
[3:09:36] We don't have access, we don't
[3:09:36] have transparency.
[3:09:38] It's all about the special
[3:09:38] assessment.
[3:09:39] Again, every building is going
[3:09:41] through this in the city or is
[3:09:42] going to be going through this.
[3:09:44] And now it's gotten personal.
[3:09:46] >> the problem is, when you have
[3:09:47] years with no assessments, and
[3:09:50] then you have to repair the
[3:09:52] building, that's where the
[3:09:52] problem --
[3:09:54] >> can we move on, please.
[3:09:56] >> mayor: we've given a lot of
[3:09:57] time and had a lot of
[3:10:01] discussion, and we want to be
[3:10:03] empathetic here, but this is
[3:10:06] something that is a private
[3:10:07] matter amongst you and your
[3:10:09] board of directors.
[3:10:12] And I think you know that the
[3:10:17] city officials and the city
[3:10:17] government --
[3:10:18] [Inaudible]
[3:10:19] >> mayor: we can't solve that
[3:10:21] problem, we can only serve as a
[3:10:24] resource if you have something
[3:10:25] that, of course, you take it to
[3:10:27] this agency or that agency.
[3:10:30] This is not -- we can't fix a
[3:10:33] special assessment issue, or any
[3:10:36] individual lawsuits that are
[3:10:36] happen
[3:10:37] happening.
[3:10:41] >> thank you, I just want to
[3:10:46] say -- I want to thank you,
[3:10:47] donna -- we enjoyed the last
[3:10:49] four years, everything was
[3:10:50] great.
[3:10:51] Thank you, everybody.
[3:10:54] >> appreciate it, thank you very
[3:10:54] much.
[3:10:57] >> and I don't know who the guy
[3:11:00] was, was here.
[3:11:04] Whoever he was, apologize for
[3:11:04] whoever he was.
[3:11:04] Thank you.
[3:11:08] >> thank you.
[3:11:17] >> mayor: thank you.
[3:11:20] Now we have olga.
[3:11:21] >> she just left.
[3:11:24] >> and derek conswega is the
[3:11:27] last one.
[3:11:28] >> no?
[3:11:28] Okay.
[3:11:30] Thank you.
[3:11:35] >> we have george -- we have
[3:11:36] pablo.
[3:11:37] Pablo, you're speaking?
[3:11:39] >> no, sorry about that.
[3:11:42] >> mayor: then I have george
[3:11:43] guardmesser.
[3:11:46] >> welcome back, george.
[3:11:49] >> thank you, it's good to be
[3:11:51] back, members of the commission,
[3:11:52] mayor goldman.
[3:11:55] I'd like to speak to the heart,
[3:11:56] on an issue that's been
[3:11:59] bothering me a couple months,
[3:12:01] things have gotten steal on this
[3:12:02] commission.
[3:12:02] >> steal?
[3:12:03] >> members of the commission
[3:12:06] have an ethical obligation to be
[3:12:06] independent.
[3:12:09] What we saw in this election is
[3:12:12] that essentially you're all
[3:12:13] marionettes of mayor goldman.
[3:12:19] You campaign for her actively, I
[3:12:24] got my -- I got spammed with
[3:12:30] jennifer advice caro
[3:12:31] vis kar
[3:12:34] iffer viscarra campaigning
[3:12:40] for mayor goldman.
[3:12:42] Right next to the elections
[3:12:42] locations.
[3:12:44] >> does that make us puppets,
[3:12:45] though?
[3:12:47] >> please, let him punish.
[3:12:49] >> jerry, for the record, I've
[3:12:51] told you, a lot of people feel
[3:12:53] negatively about you, I'm not
[3:12:54] one of them.
[3:12:55] I'm neutral about you.
[3:12:58] My point is, I have a solution.
[3:13:00] The solution is a recall.
[3:13:01] What we need is a recall for all
[3:13:05] the commissioners.
[3:13:07] I volunteered to work with the
[3:13:08] city attorney.
[3:13:11] We only need 1200 signatures, I
[3:13:13] can collect 100 at starbucks in
[3:13:15] the mourning in two days, I
[3:13:17] promise you.
[3:13:19] I think we need a recall, we
[3:13:22] need some fresh blood, new ideas
[3:13:24] here, too many people it feels
[3:13:25] like, have groaning into their
[3:13:30] chairs, so to speak.
[3:13:35] And the solution is a recall.
[3:13:38] There's an alternative, if every
[3:13:39] member of the commission
[3:13:41] resigns, we can skip the recall
[3:13:42] and just have an election.
[3:13:45] So out of the goodness of my
[3:13:46] heart, I'm offering this idea to
[3:13:48] everyone here, and I hope you
[3:13:49] will consider it, and vote on
[3:13:50] it, thank you.
[3:13:52] >> yeah, thank you, george.
[3:13:53] Thank you.
[3:13:53] >> bravo.
[3:13:55] >> you know, george, I never met
[3:13:57] you before, so I don't
[3:14:00] understand how you could tell me
[3:14:04] basically to resign if you don't
[3:14:04] know me.
[3:14:05] We haven't talked -- I invite
[3:14:07] you to come and talk to me, we
[3:14:11] have a meeting, so you could
[3:14:13] have a better opinion of what --
[3:14:14] of the work we've done here, and
[3:14:16] speaking from the heart, to be
[3:14:18] honest with you, I think that
[3:14:21] this year, that we've been here
[3:14:25] sitting at the dais with mayor
[3:14:30] goldman we've kind of unlocked
[3:14:33] that stale feeling you have,
[3:14:35] that's why we've been able to
[3:14:37] hire 10 new police officers,
[3:14:38] dispatchers, we've been talking
[3:14:40] about changing the traffic
[3:14:40] signals.
[3:14:43] As you can see, there have been
[3:14:44] changes, positive changes.
[3:14:45] >> I don't understand --
[3:14:48] >> hold on, jerry, I'm speaking.
[3:14:49] We've had committees where we
[3:14:50] get --
[3:14:52] >> you're out of time.
[3:14:54] >> I'm a commissioner I get ten
[3:14:55] minutes.
[3:14:57] >> no.
[3:14:59] >> we have committees where
[3:15:01] we're doing more outreach to the
[3:15:01] residents.
[3:15:03] She was able -- our vice mayor
[3:15:05] was able to form, which
[3:15:07] before -- for some reason, it
[3:15:10] was very stale and it could not
[3:15:13] happen, she was able to do the
[3:15:15] residents academy, which whoever
[3:15:16] attended that can tell you
[3:15:18] they're grateful.
[3:15:21] I've been able to form the
[3:15:21] senior roundtable.
[3:15:24] There's been a lot of changes
[3:15:27] that transpired in the last less
[3:15:28] than a year to be honest with
[3:15:28] you.
[3:15:30] I don't know where you get that
[3:15:33] word stale from, I think that's
[3:15:35] what happened before, and that's
[3:15:38] why -- I invite you to with me
[3:15:40] and maybe you can see the other
[3:15:42] side of the story, okay?
[3:15:46] There's always three sides,
[3:15:46] right?
[3:15:47] >> perhaps.
[3:15:49] >> any how, I offer you to sit
[3:15:52] with me and we can talk, so you
[3:15:53] can have a better idea, a more
[3:15:56] complete idea of what has
[3:15:57] transpired and what's going on.
[3:15:59] To be honest with you, this is
[3:16:00] the first time I've seen you
[3:16:01] here at the commission meeting.
[3:16:03] I haven't seen you before.
[3:16:04] >> this is true, this is the
[3:16:05] first time I've come here.
[3:16:08] >> maybe if you come more often
[3:16:09] you would understand better, and
[3:16:11] we could meet.
[3:16:14] Have you met with any of the
[3:16:16] commissioners before?
[3:16:20] >> fabiola filmed me at the
[3:16:22] precinct voting.
[3:16:24] >> you haven't had a one on one
[3:16:26] conversation talking about
[3:16:27] subjects and topics?
[3:16:27] >> no.
[3:16:29] >> sign up for the academy.
[3:16:32] >> sign up for the academy.
[3:16:33] >> it's a pleasure.
[3:16:35] >> let's talk in the heart, and
[3:16:38] be truthful to ourselves, so
[3:16:39] let's meet, okay?
[3:16:40] >> mayor: you have to come here,
[3:16:45] when you haven't met any of us.
[3:16:47] To say we should have a recall.
[3:16:49] >> I pay your salaries among
[3:16:51] many others, why should I not
[3:16:54] have an opinion about the
[3:16:55] staleness of the --
[3:16:56] >> no, I disagree with you.
[3:16:58] >> if I could have one second.
[3:16:58] >> yeah.
[3:17:02] >> it occurs to me that many of
[3:17:04] the people who ran for office
[3:17:07] and got elected did so under
[3:17:09] false pretenses.
[3:17:11] I'm a republican, many of the
[3:17:13] people pretend to be republicans
[3:17:17] or give an impression that
[3:17:18] somehow they share my values
[3:17:20] when, in fact, it is not the
[3:17:21] case.
[3:17:23] Mayor goldman, with all due
[3:17:25] respect, I see you as a liberal
[3:17:27] democrat probably to the left of
[3:17:30] joe biden, probably somewhere
[3:17:30] around --
[3:17:31] >> mayor: that's because number
[3:17:33] one you don't know me, you've
[3:17:35] never met me, and this is not a
[3:17:37] partisan board or a partisan
[3:17:37] race.
[3:17:39] There should be absolutely no
[3:17:41] discussion of party affiliation,
[3:17:44] it has no relevance to city
[3:17:45] matters and government platters.
[3:17:47] >> I disagree, but fine.
[3:17:48] >> one second, one second.
[3:17:51] >> it's not -- it's
[3:17:52] absolutely -- it's just -- this
[3:17:54] is totally off topic.
[3:17:58] >> as a clarification about the
[3:17:58] elections.
[3:18:00] This FEBRUARY, jerry joseph and
[3:18:02] I myself, this year, we got
[3:18:04] elected by the people.
[3:18:08] And in NOVEMBER, alex lama and
[3:18:10] jeniffer viscarra got elected by
[3:18:11] the people.
[3:18:12] We have four commissioners that
[3:18:14] got elected by the people this
[3:18:14] year.
[3:18:16] So talking about fresh blood, I
[3:18:18] think you need to be a little
[3:18:19] more informed.
[3:18:22] And about the video, the day of
[3:18:25] the elections, I only started
[3:18:26] recording when you were being
[3:18:29] very aggressive and
[3:18:31] disrespectful, using very bad
[3:18:31] behavior.
[3:18:33] >> actually, I didn't know who
[3:18:35] you were at the time.
[3:18:37] >> language I'm not going to
[3:18:41] repeat here, because I'm a lady.
[3:18:44] >> fabiola has a video of me, I
[3:18:46] don't know if she watches it or
[3:18:47] pnot, but --
[3:18:49] >> we need to make a motion to
[3:18:50] adjourn.
[3:18:51] >> mayor: thank you.
[3:18:53] Before we make a motion to
[3:18:54] adjourn.
[3:18:55] Thank you for your time.
[3:18:58] I wanted to make a couple
[3:19:01] comments that alex lama started.
[3:19:04] Mayor goldman, thank you for --
[3:19:07] truly what I believe is a
[3:19:09] transformative year for this
[3:19:09] commission.
[3:19:12] We haven't always agreed, and
[3:19:14] yet we -- you know, we were able
[3:19:15] to come together around your
[3:19:17] policies and I'm very proud of
[3:19:19] the changes that we've made.
[3:19:20] >> yes.
[3:19:21] >> mayor: and I think the city
[3:19:23] is better off, I think personnel
[3:19:25] is better off, our police
[3:19:26] department is certainly better
[3:19:29] off, we have a new chief, a new
[3:19:29] mayor.
[3:19:33] We have -- I mean, we're just
[3:19:34] better than we've been since I
[3:19:36] got here four years ago, and
[3:19:37] probably since before that.
[3:19:38] But I can't speak for that.
[3:19:42] >> and not only that, but I
[3:19:42] hear --
[3:19:43] >> mayor: give me one second,
[3:19:44] please, jerry.
[3:19:47] I just waneded to tell you that,
[3:19:49] it's been an amazing year.
[3:19:51] And it's something you should be
[3:19:52] very proud of.
[3:19:53] Regardless of what the noise
[3:19:54] says.
[3:19:55] I have no intention of
[3:19:57] resigning, by the way, for those
[3:19:59] of you wondering.
[3:19:59] >> yes.
[3:20:01] >> mayor: and ed, I know, you
[3:20:03] are -- this is your last
[3:20:05] meeting, your ready for
[3:20:07] retirement, congratulations on
[3:20:08] your retirement.
[3:20:08] And thank you so much for
[3:20:11] working with us.
[3:20:14] >> thank you, ed.
[3:20:15] >> mayor: and I'll make a
[3:20:19] motion, unless someone else has
[3:20:19] something to say.
[3:20:21] >> I would like to say also, the
[3:20:25] mayor and myself, we started off
[3:20:27] the year a little rough around
[3:20:32] the edges, but I'm happy for how
[3:20:37] she progressed with her plans
[3:20:39] for the city, with the underpark
[3:20:44] and all, and I hope to move that
[3:20:46] forward.
[3:20:47] And I thank you.
[3:20:47] >> mayor: thank you.
[3:20:49] Thank you, it's been an honor.
[3:20:51] >> yes, I want to thank you too,
[3:20:52] mayor goldman.
[3:20:55] Everyone obviously, I'm a
[3:20:59] republican and you're a democrat
[3:21:03] but -- been republican since
[3:21:04] 1989, I haven't switched ever,
[3:21:05] ever, ever.
[3:21:08] Any how, it's been great, some
[3:21:10] of the changes we've been able
[3:21:11] to make.
[3:21:13] Thank you, stan for the reports.
[3:21:14] We never got reports,
[3:21:16] information was something of a
[3:21:19] taboo here before, so that was a
[3:21:21] big change.
[3:21:25] The transparency, and, you know,
[3:21:27] the flow of information is key.
[3:21:28] I think that the more informed
[3:21:30] you are, the better decisions
[3:21:32] you can make.
[3:21:36] And you can make the right
[3:21:37] decisions and moving forward
[3:21:39] with some of the things we were
[3:21:44] able to accomplish, so it's
[3:21:44] great.
[3:21:46] A lot of things.
[3:21:48] And hopefully we'll be able to
[3:21:50] move forward and continue some
[3:21:52] of the ideas that you had and
[3:21:53] that we've discussed before.
[3:21:57] Thank you very much.
[3:21:59] We owe you a lot.
[3:22:00] >> I want to say thank you,
[3:22:03] thank you for trusting in me and
[3:22:04] appointing me last year.
[3:22:07] It's been an honor, a pleasure,
[3:22:09] a learning experience that isn't
[3:22:12] going to end.
[3:22:14] And I look forward for
[3:22:16] continuous guidance about the
[3:22:17] future.
[3:22:19] And I think we are going to MISS
[3:22:20] You.
[3:22:22] Having said that, I want to give
[3:22:23] you --
[3:22:31] >> yes, and --
[3:22:32] >> mayor: motion to adjourn.
[3:22:34] >> I'd like to say I'm proud to
[3:22:37] be a part of this commission,
[3:22:39] and everyone who composes it.
[3:22:39] Yes.
[3:22:41] >> we're already adjourned.