Let's call to order the city
commission meeting agenda for
tuesday august 10th, 2021.
ms. Bravo call the roll.
>> mayor ryan.
>> present.
>> deputy mayor kerch.
>> here.
>> assistant deputy mayor g.
>> here.
>> commissioner scuotto.
>> present.
(calling roll)
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>> move onto item three.
moment of silence and pledge of
allegiance.
commissioner scuotto to keep in
our prayers.
>> yes retired officer jack s.
who has passed away, keep his
family in our prayers.
>> anyone else.
>> okay.
join me for a moment of silence
and for the pledge of
allegiance.
>> I pledge allegiance to the
flag of the united states of
america.
to the republic for which it
stands, one nation under god,
indivisible I believe with
liberty and justice for all.
>> perfect timing.
>> we started the whole meeting
over so you could be here.
>> come on up, commissioner
douglas.
we're on the consent agenda
items 4a through t.
is there a motion.
>> move it.
>> second.
>> moved which commissioner
douglas.
second by commissioner scuotto.
any pulls from colleagues?
any pulls from staff.
>> no deputy mayor, no pulls.
>> let's call the question again
on items 4a through 4t.
>> commissioner scuotto.
>> yes.
>> commissioner douglas.
>> yes.
>> assistant deputy mayor.
>> yes,.
>> deputy may mayor.
>> yes.
>> mayor ryan.
>> yes.
>> items passed 5-0.
>> alright.
5a.
special items.
proclamation september 9th
2021 as mental health awareness
day in the city of sunrise.
mayor michael j. Ryan.
>> deputy mayor, if I can one
area to adhere he may want to
say a few words before reading
the proclamation.
yes we have beth tash on-line.
>> I'm taking over for beth
tashe.
I'm the spokeartment aouy mayor.
>> state your name and we will
turn the proceedings over for
your comments.
>> -- this year we're trying to
double the amount in the city of
sunrise.
they have been onboard since day
one.
I embrace that, this great
initiative that comes from the,
the roots of broward county.
we have hospitals.
we have the va.
we have the county.
we have the cities supporting
us.
this year is september 9th,
2021.
100% virtual.
we just made that decision last
week.
we are going to operate both
in-person and virtual.
because of the situation we are
facing we want to be safe.
so, it's free.
this year, big change from last
year.
our sponsors came onboard,
memorial health and the --
foundation, ukg and thanks to
them providing this sreut you'll
event from 8:30 to 4:00.
completely free to broward
county residents and of course
beyond this.
is unprecedented.
we're so proud to do that.
I want to thank mayor ryan for
supporting us and helping us
with the proclamations.
thank you so much.
>> mayor ryan, any comments?
>> thank you, of course this has
been a collective effort by the
city commission who has been
behind this from the beginning
along with city staff.
gratitude to my colleagues
working tirelessly with you over
many years with you and your
time.
I appreciate your comments.
I thank my colleagues for their
support.
>> mr. Douglas.
>> yes.
>> I'm recognized.
thank you, deputy mayor.
you know obviously mental health
awareness is a significant issue
in our community and broader
united states.
so it is important that as a
city we have proclamations not
just for show but to increase
awareness.
throughout what I feel is the
past ten years.
I think there has been an
increase in the manifestation of
mental health issues.
my personal view is -- I'm not a
clinician.
think our brains are so
overwhelmed by so many things.
some is congenital, stress
related, ptsd, some maybe
temporary.y we're seeing a bit
after the 2018 shooting it
became more highlighted about
the impact that untreated and
unrecognized mental health
challenges have on our
community.
it's there for a long time.
I'm grateful now our communities
trying to lift the veil off of,
you know, mental health
challenges as I have said in the
past and commented on the
issues.
you know, if you have a physical
alement, a broken arm or leg.
something that manifests itself
physically and is visible, your
neighbors and your friends, who
ever you interact with,
generally try to help you.
is your arm broken.
can I help you open the door, do
this, do that.
people are againly sympathetic.
we for so long have hidden
behind mental health challenges
because of the stigma.
often times those who want to
help are not given an
opportunity to help.
I understand also if one has a
condition that subjects them to
stigma they may not want to
disclose this.
part of the raising of the
awareness is to lift the stigma
associated with it.
doing proclamations like these
and sending it out to the
community is something we ought
to do.
I commend it.
thank you, mayor ryan.
>> thank you.
thank you, very much.
>> commissioner scuotto?
>> no, mayor.
>> deputy mayor.
>> yes.
as a city of commission I'm glad
we're all in sync with
supporting this proclamation.
I wanted to ask chief rosa to
give me insight behind the
scenes with the police
department how they're handling
the same crisis as well.
>> chief rosa.
>> thank you, commissioner.
so, as far as mental health goes
within the police department
we're handling it from two
aspects.
how we interact with the public
on a mental health crisis and
how we handle ourselves if there
is a issue with a police officer
and a member.
from an over all perspective
crisis intervention train south
backbone of everything we do in
the police department.
my goal is to get the entire
department trained with formal
crisis training.
we're well on our way there.
this is an on going effort by
multiple police departments.
we're successful in getting our
people through the classes.
then from there we are doing
everything from inhouse
training.
what I mean by inhouse training
is we discuss in small groups
and scenarios on how to handle
certain situations.
what I mean by that is we have
had a shift in how we handle
calls.
someone is in crisis, life
threatening and something we may
look at is endangering life one
way or another to themselves or
someone else we have shifted
from years ago.
police officers are problem
selves.
we want to get it done with and
move onto the next thing.
we have gonna way from that.
now we're handling those where
we're not forcing a intersection
with anyone in a mental health
crisis or having a mental health
episode.
I think we have realized.
a lot is due to the training.
we have realized we have time.
we can handle it.
we're doing things.
we're talk ing about it.
we're dehe is ka hating.
we're approaching this not from
an aggressive or imposing
manner.
a police officer shows up and
you have a crisis, you're
instantly creating a situation.
in some cases it may appear to
be aggressive to the person.
we're intentionally not doing
that.
we're doing all we can to
contain the situation.
doing it in a manner that is con
dousive to the situation.
they we're taking to the people.
I will give you ap example we
had a person in a crisis with a
firearm.
after several hours it was
resolved peacefully and we got
the person the help they needed.
has ben ral terms and this is
more to it.
what we're doing as an agency
and respond to the crisises.
from a I sternal perspective.
this has been going on a little
bit.
a little slower of a evolution
in policing and this work.
there has been a reluck stands,
historically, to act there is an
issue.
I think as we bring new officers
on and new ideas on the culture
is changing.
so we have a program we're
working on.
we're starting out looking,
we're doing a peer monitoring
type thing.
including supervisors watching
for signs of other officers and
employees in the police
department under stress and
getting people help the need.
to take that a step further
we're looking at creating a
program where we're in the
process now of identifying
police officers that other other
officers would be comfortable
talking to and creating a peer
support program.
to do that we, we plan on
identifying the officers and
partnering with city mental
health officials to structure
this program.
the officers will do something
similar to what the fire
department has with the critical
incident debriefings and stuff
like that.
>> thank you.
>> chief, if I may.
>> commissioner scuotto.
>> touching on what you mentiond
with that.
I think it's a great idea you
have a -- I'm sure it's not just
sunrise but cities across the
country.
you mention, that's with
anybody, when someone feels
comfortable talking to someone
else that's very important.
a lot of times people feel they
don't have someone to talk
about.
when you talk about something
where the police officers are
confronted by different things
going on scene, whether it's
something that has been affected
them on multiple scenes over the
years plus family issues they
could have.
some could be veterans or
whatever they take to the job.
I spoke to you about this
probably a year or so ago.
that was about having mental
health people within the
department.
I'm not looking to add people
but I'm saying when you just
brought up that if an officer
feels comfortable talking to a
peer I don't want it to be that
now these police officers are
handling problems from other
officers.
which is good to get them
through what they need to.
but you don't want other
employees now handling problems
that they may even.
have now they're taking on more.
I mentioned this to you before
personal.
if we could talk about this
further, who and what in a
department we can put someone or
multiple people.
same when covid hit we started
the compassionate hotline where
people called in, you know, and
we were retrieving this
information.
I think it would be great for
you guys to start this and have
your peers retrieving
information.
again I don't want police
officers or sergeants,
lieutenants, handling the burden
of their own employees that they
need to -- it's good to know if
someone -- we have had our fare
share of people taking th*r own
lives.
I don't want that burden on our
employees.
I think this needs to be a major
discussion as what to do as a
city to help our employees.
we have well over a thousand
employees.
at any given time we can have
someone affected by something.
I think it's a good start with
the peer, but I don't want it to
be multiple people being
overwhelmed with issues from
other people.
you know, they went to school
for it, they're a police officer
that's a psychologist or
whatever.
I gist couldn't want it to
become you know something like
that.
>> there are, what I didn't
mention is part of this over all
program, this is something the
sunrise police department does
haven't dedicated to us, it's a
research thing.
other agents do.
a police chaplin type situation.
we don't have one dedicated to
us.
we have the county and use other
agencies when we need that.
that is a part of the program
we're looking to evaluate.
>> thank you.
>> thank you, obviously.
he brought something up.
in addition I want to comment on
what you said.
in addition I had my own
thoughts this.
is hippa.
you know medical stuff.
and here is something I think
this person is a danger or I
think this is actionable or
something to report.
then you have the challenge of
okay the guy trusts me to talk
to me.
he shared this with me, now what
is my responsibility to break
confidence.
so, I think those who are in a,
for medical position, they would
have their various professional
responsibility outlined as to
when they break these kinds of
confidential rules.
I can see the challenge of me
telling someone something that
has affected me.
they don't have a ethical or
other obligation to keep the
confidence.
what if they don't.
then skw-pbtly a investigation
occurs and they hear he share
the information with the
colleague.
I can see the challenge from
that perspective.
there is also a challenge,
they're yielding kpwupz.
I don't think the guy who has a
temporary stress related issue
relate today divorce or some
other trauma wants to share it
and then get, we talked about
stigma jut now.
that we should take his gun away
or send him -- even if paid
leave, hippa or whatever it is
that would be cons kw-pbs of
having disclosed this.
so, I can see the aoufrbg
challenge you would face in a
department having people come
out and say I am going through
this.
even with the challenges I think
it's important to the extent
that we do the police are going
through fire fighters showing up
on the scene with all kinds of
trauma. People in various
conditions resulting from
accidents, bullet wounds or what
not.
I can't imagine they're not
affected even temporarily
showing up to see these things.
I think there is a delicate
balance to be struck.
between having someone disclose
and at the same time refusing to
address it.
I commend any efforts that you
can take to address this.
thank my colleague for bringing
it forward to address it.
we're talking about mental
health awareness in sunrise.
we have to start at home.
thank you, sir.
>> thank you, sir.
>> thank you, chief.
any comments, chair.
>> yes to the public.
what you heard is the unanimous
view of raising awareness.
I'm so proud to serve along with
my colleagues.
the passionate and eloquent
words of each of them.
showing that sun vies is tkwhaog
they can do to lift the vail.
chief, thank you for your
commitment to the training.
it's very important to continue
to invest heavily in that. To
the commissioners, your points
are so well taken regarding the
first responders.
there are programs out there
that have become more robust
with virtual therapy and virtual
counseling.
I know that the chief and chief
rosa in the post ptsd setting.
I hope going forward we can
offer these to all employees as
a model of support, compassion
and empath.y as commissioner
douglas pointed out.
commissioner scuotto pointed
out.
being a tentative to hippa and
privacy.
hopefully this is another step
forward for sunrise.
I'm proud of my colleagues,
thank you.
>> anyone else?
>> thank you for being here.
for those who may want to attend
the virtual event on 9-9-21 from
8:30 to 4:00 is this a website?
what kind of information do we
need to attend that.
>> it's --
[inaudible]
broward.mentalhealthsummit.0rg.
it's easy go there and hit the
link to take advantage of the
four sessions on
september 9th.
>> thank you.
thank you for accepting the
proclamation.
I will read that now.
broward mental health summit day
where as mental illness affects
thoughts, feelings, behaviors
and inter action with others and
stigma of mental I amness.
must be address sod nobody feels
shame in seeking health with
treatment.
where as recent tragedies
require that our communities
engage in meaningful education
and discussion to identify the
early signs of mental illness in
order to take charge of the
situation and reverse it before
it gets worst.
and where as in addition to the
recent tragedies according to
the april 2020 data brief of the
cdcs national center for
health statistic understand in
2018 there were 48,344 recorded
suicides in the united states.
the annual u.s. Suicide rate
increased 35% between 1999 and
2018.
where as according to the
foundation for suicide
prevention on average there are
123 suicides per day in the
united states.
and where as in response to the
need of identifying and treating
mental illness a grass root
effort was upped take not by the
principal mental health
providers in broward county
including county, federal
government, private sector and
non profit organizations to join
forces in a historic effort to
increase awareness by holding a
virtual summit for the public
for free.
where as the fourth annual
prouard mental health summit
titled bouncing back together.
wellness, empowerment, resilient
and connection is presented by
memorial healthcare system, ukg
and the sheriff tpoupgs of
broward county bringing together
the leading hath providers in
south florida.
from county, federal, private,
non profit and academia to
discuss the current issues
affecting all populations.
where as erin wanting to learn
about the mental health issues
facing our communities.
whether you're a healthcare
provider, first responder,
community leader, business
leader, elected official or a
concerned resident you will walk
away from the historic broward
mental health summit with
concrete data, information tools
for those tpaebgted by mental
health issues.
and where as we hope the general
public understands it's affects
on the residents and businesses
in the city of sunrise.
the city of sunrise remains
aware of combating stigma.
there I on be half of michael j.
ryan the mayor of the city of
sunrise, florida, with the city
commission proclaim
september 9th, 2021 as broward
mental health summit day in the
city of sunrise.
thank you, mr. Ayres for being
here.
we will make sure the
proclamation is isn't to you.
>> thank you.
>> let's move onto city items
6a.
appointment.
resolution of the city of
sunrise, florida, a pointing a
member to the unsafe structures
board, and providing an
effective date.
city manager mark l., fell ish
ya bravo, city.
clerk.
>> moved.
>> seconded.
>> commissioner scuotto and
commissioner douglas.
>> we have a vacant see.
>> yes, for property manager on
the unsafe structure board for
quite some time.
we were fortunate enough to get
an application from martha
welling ton.
>> a motion.
>> a second.
>> a motion and a second.
any further discussion?
>> alright.
call the vote.
department utility mayor.
>> yes.
>> commissioner s.
>> yes,.
>> commissioner d.
>> yes,.
>> assistant deputy mayor.
>> yes,.
>> mayor ryan.
>> yes.
>> any motion to move up the
public hearings.
>> go ahead move it.
>> motion by commissioner
scuotto.
second I by assistant deputy
mayor.
12a.
amendment.
commission discussion and/or
action refirst reading of an
ordinance of the city of
sunrise, florida, extending
section 2 of ordinance number
654 as amended through
november 16th, 2021 and
functioning as the ninth
extension and sunrise
emergency --
>> move it.
>> motion by commissioner
scuotto.
>> second.
>> second by assistant deputy
mayor.
discussion among colleagues.
>> I have a comment, question.
>> floor is yours, mr. Douglas.
>> mr. Lebowski, in the past
when we have made amendments to
this ordinance it was for --
increments, is that correct?
>> roughly 60 day increments.
>> 60 days ?
>> roughly.
>> right now we're at although
september, october.
we are going into november.
is there a particular reason
we're --
>> second reading of this
wouldn't occur until the second
meeting in september the 13th
which would be right around 60
days.
>> the 14th.
>> the previous amendment is in
effect?
>> yes, correct.
>> okay.
that's all.
>> any other comments on this
one?
>> no.
>> mayor ryan.
>> as a reminder we need to open
up for a public hearing.
>> thank you.
>> I will open up the public
hearing.
anyone wishing to speak please
step forward.
>> no one in the public stepping
forward.
anyone on the phone wishing to
make any comments please hit the
5 star feature.
>> I have no one from the public
asking to speak.
>> alright.
I will close public hearing.
>> any comments, rare ryan, on
this one?
>> no, sir.
thank you.
>> call the question.
>> assistant department utility
mayor.
>> yes.
>> deputy mayor.
>> yes.
>> commissioner scuotto.
>> yes.
>> commissioner douglas.
>> yes.
>> mayor ryan.
>> yes.
>> the item passes 5-0 I skipped
over open discussion.
I would like to go back.
I know a couple are on the phone
scienced up for that. Is it
okay.
>> motion to open up 7.
>> second.
>> motion to open up 7,
seconded.
all in favor say I.
>> I.
>> open discussion we have first
one on the sheet is paula c.
come on up.
>> go ahead and state your name,
address please.
>> my name is paula c.
I live on northwest 101st
avenue.
I feel like jack nicholson
saying I'm back.
I won't.
>> if you don't mind speaking
directly into the microphone.
we don't hear so well up here.
>> you missed the punchline.
I appreciate mental health
awareness day.
I am a teacher.
I'm a teacher of 15 years I
taught emotionally behaved
disturbed kids.
I know the need and I teach ese
students in general.
I appreciate that.
I am here simply.
I heard unsafe structures.
I am here because we do have a
continuing issue with that wall.
I'm sorry with our fences on nob
hill.
again a few weeks ago a car went
through.
those people were lucky because
they have -- in the back yard.
it didn't go into their pool.
my next door neighbor johnson
salis, they have children.
the car went through their back
yard last year.
last year?
last year sometime, there is so
much too, my goodness so.
to address with this.
I appreciate definitely
appreciate assistant deputy for
your dedication to helping us
solve this issue.
>> yes.
>> sean from the city did a
wonderful job explaining to me
the costs that would be incurred
through trying to put a wall up.
but as I mentioned I am an ese
teacher.
I teach 72 children a day how to
read.
everyone gets taught a different
way.
I know there are other solutions
to this.
I know something can get done.
I am hoping that we can possibly
talk about a guard rail.
then again I don't want to be
the only one on the street that
says let's put a guard rail.
can we consider also large
trees.
beautiful landscape.
like we all know when we drive
down nob hill towards
plantation, the landscaping is
gorgeous.
that area we live in near josh
lee is just, it lacks safety,
most of all.
it could be addressed with
beauty, large trees, beautiful
maybe fox tail around it.
just something to disguise those
guard rails that I would like to
see get put up to protect us
from any tragedy.
god forbid a car goes through
the fence and our neighbors are
entertaining.
we have a much bigger issue.
>> I want to recap.
if that's okay.
july 31st last year this was
brought to the commission.
it was requested to get
information.
back ground on putting a wall.
mark lubelski, I don't know if
you want to address that.
thank you for being here and
advocating.
>> thank you.
I have been here, I have lived
on that street over 25 years.
I have seen my kids get garbage
thrown over the fence and get
hit in the head with a coke can.
I'm sure you don't want us to
live through this.
>> no, there has been on going
discussion.
I believe there are utility
issues related to that issue.
I think mr. Lubelski can address
concerns and a proposal going
forward for the city commission.
>> thank you, department utility
mayor.
over the past 15 years city
staff has periodically evaluated
a wall at this location.
previously determined
utilities -- high voltage lines,
comcast and school structures
have to be relocated this.
is a minimum of $1.125 million.
the over all cost of the project
would exceed over $2 million for
860 feet of linear feet of wall.
in addition the high voltage
lines need to be relocated to
the east side of nob hill road
and prohibit a wall installation
on the east side of nob hill.
based upon the high costs
associated I recommend the
installation of a guard rail
with landscaping as referenced
by the resident in the swale
along the roadway.
we have had conversations with
the resident and reached out to
the -- association.
based on those discussions we
have support for the insurance
installation and landscaping on
that corridor.
that's what staff is
recommending at this point.
>> mr. Douglas.
>> with respect to the comment
by the resident regarding the
nature of the landscape.
large trees, beautiful trees.
would the utility issues that
currently exist which are cost
prohibited to move also impact
our ability to put large trees
in the space?
>> that's a good question.
so the utility issues are
primarily behind the sidewalk in
the residents back yard.
the swale is relatively clear.
however, there are guidelines
and requirements we have to
satisfy for landscaping.
I'm confident we will fit
landscaping in there to buffer
the guard rail and provide
beautification.
to the extent.
size of the trees --
>> there is a qualitative
difference between one landscape
and the other.
I want, I don't want an
expectation to be created in
terms of the nature of the
landscape.
I know for bet are or worst we
fit trees no space that's are
not appropriate.
a beautiful oak and then it's a
30-year-old oak and it's not
appropriate for the location.
so you know landscaping can be a
shrub.
it can be oak.
I mean, I think the expectation
would be a full tree like what
is neighboring.
maybe they had adequate set
backs at the time they were
planted and utilities were, you
know -- I want to make sure when
we say landscaping are we
talking about you know alexander
palms or oaks or --
>> that's a good question.
so when staff looked at this.
we didn't get g. Into in depth
design we talked about shrubs
and palm trao*es as mentioned
whether they're fox tails or
mont tkpwopl raoez or something
to that affect.
we need to look at it's really
the setback from the roadway of
how close you can put trees.
that would be our vision to do
pockets of palm trees with a,
with shrubs along that.
>> the alexander doesn't stop
much of a car.
I presume large fox tales.
>> knot purpose --
>> it's suppose to be
supplemental and the trees would
provide supplemental safety if
someone was to get, you know,
run off the road.
>> the primary purpose of the
landscaping is to add
beautification, the guard rail
provides the safety as
referenced there.
>> I.
>> deputy mayor, have a caller
with their hand raised.
>> we will get to them when
commissioner scuotto finishes.
>> so mr -- comes to us for
coaching.
I went to high school with him
like 35 years ago.
this issue of, I'm saying your
neighborhood has been coming up
here more than the 15 years that
mark said.
the answer always was the
utility and stuff.
I think staff has come up with
something that is very
substantial.
we have done this in other
communities.
we did this, the guard rail
around a park.
that was inside the
neighborhood.
I think the guard rail we did it
for sac the community at sac
field.
we did the wood barricade.
this one I don't know if we
could do wood or metal.
we want something nice.
regarding plantation.
plantation doesn't have anything
on the swale.
this is something the city of
sunrise would do to protect on
the swale side.
we can't go on the opposite side
of the sidewalk.
what commissioner douglas said
about the rooting and all of
that. Leave that to staff to --
I think the guard rail is the
safety I just called mark the
other day, before the weekend, I
said you're getting a call from
them again.
someone hit the little fence and
the comcast thing.
I said it's not all the way
through.
they hit it again.
so staff, you guys know what it
is that you can put on that, it
is a lie trafficked road.
we understand that.
it's also in front of a school.
we're limited on the swale part.
where you get close to the
boulevard.
there is the enough.
there is no irrigation to put in
there.
when you come to joshly there
isn't much.
on the swale side it's not
something we normally do.
besides sac and what we did for
wellby we are now encroaching on
the swale side to protect
something.
they will come up with something
nice.
the oaks and stuff like, that I
think that will be more of a
problem going into the
electrical and stuff.
some of these big palms, just
for you know, landscape purpose.
then again.
we don't want to do hedges in
front of the whole guard rail.
then we constantly replace.
then, right.
I'm sure staff will get to you.
show you renderings.
the safety first is the guard
rail.
I don't care if it's palm trees.
if we can't the guard rail you
need that first.
if we get trees in there that's
helpful.
I don't want to replace hedges
bays people are constantly
ripping them out too. Then it's
an eye sore and a headache to
us.
then about irrigation.
I'm sure they want to plan like
a zero scape or whatever it is
where we don't have to put in
irrigation and cut the road and
tie it somewhere.
I'm sure it will be helpful to
you and it will be mainly the
safety that the neighbor needs.
except guy across from you, he
built his own wall.
>> can I come up one more time.
>> sure.
>> I have ad yaz.
we drive through the county and
see great stuff.
I can take pictures this.
are things to help cover up the
guard rail.
most of all it, it may be
pricey.
you know our lives are worth it.
our health values.
we're in the nicest part of the
street and we take care of the
homes.
the back of the fences are so
unsightly.
the weeds under it.
they expect us to come around
with our weed whackers and come
around.
look at the stretch, hr-ts pack
up our stuff on the road to go
to nob hill and take the weeds
from under the fence away.
pressure clean the fence.
typically that's our
responsibility.
we're in an awkward spot.
we're a great neighborhood.
great people in the
neighborhood.
we take good care of our homes.
if the city can recognize it's a
win win.
I appreciate everything you did
to look into this.
it's me bugging you guys for 25
years.
>> I want to thank you for
coming out here.
I don't know if your neighbors
value who are you to them.
we're grateful for your input
and putting the whip to* us to
get a solution.
I want to commend you.
we like our residents to
participate.
we don't always get it right.
when people come forward and let
us know what the problems are
and continue to focus on it here
is where the -- the squeaky
wheel gets the grease.
>> yes.
>> there you go.
>> my father owned the three
properties before nob hill was
nob hill.
we naturally bought it and built
on it it's our home.
we're not going anywhere.
don't make me come back in a
couple of years and say I'm back
again.
>> we do a lot with wellby.
we have saved them hundreds of
thousands of dollars over the
years taking over their land
skaeufplt.
>> did you a beautiful job.
I love it.
>> that's prompted me to say
let's do that to our area.
>> now we're asking to use their
property for art in public
places.
when he need the squeaky wheel
we will call you.
>> yes, yes.
we wrote with chalk on the back
of the fence, thank you to the
fire fight erdz and such for
covid-19.
>> thank you for listening to
me.
>> thank you.
>> tory, someone had their hand
up on the phone.
>> no, they disconnected from
the call.
>> okay.
>> let us know in they come
back.
>> yes.
let us know if they come back.
mr. City manager is there a
timeline on when you propose
installation proposed guard rail
or landscape will or a timeline
to share with the public?
>> certainly we haven't put pen
to paper on a timeline.
we hoped to design the project
in house to save time.
we have a contract in place for
a guard rail and we can utilize
that. Instead of a wall this is
months to get this done.
>> with the budget coming up is
this something to get in this
year?
>> 36 months, 48 months.
>> I will get with budget and
see if we can find the funds.
if we need additional dollars we
will come back and ask the
commission.
>> mayor ryan, any comments?
>> no.
>> anyone else.
>> no.
>> thank you for being here.
city staff and everyone here is
hoping to get this resolved.
I know since I have been up here
it's been a issue.
I really want to see it get
resolved.
I'm glad to see staff has come
up with a proposed solution.
>> when it's installed call me
so I can see it first hand.
>> I will have a party.
>> next is jonathan salis on the
phone in regards to the wall I'm
assuming.
is he available?
if he can raise his hand I would
be happy to identify him.
pressing 5 star.
press 5 star please.
>> I don't see anyone.
>> gentleman in the green shirt.
come on up.
I will get you next, ma'am.
>> if you can state your name
and address.
>> bryce goldberg.
I'm at 101st avenue.
it was my house hit.
>> sorry to hear that.
>> I just, thank you for taking
this seriously.
yes we do appreciate paula
leaning on this.
my only question is for the city
manager.
I know you looked into the wall
and moving the wires.
all of the wires are several
feet behind the existing fence.
I'm just not understanding why,
if we move the tents and replace
it with a wall that shouldn't
affect the wires behind the
wall.
we have asked about digging up.
they come through the front
there.
is no access through the front.
I don't understand.
I don't know if you have looked
into it.
if you just replace what is
there with a wall.
the wires underneath would be
accessed the same why.
why is that a hinderance for the
woeurz to be moved up.
I understand that's the issue
for cost.
>> installing the wall is not
just above grouped.
it's a below ground foundation
that's installed with the wall.
it's not just above grouped what
you see.
there are cylinders that are
several feet in width.
the starting of that sill eupder
is the back of the sidewalk
going back several feet on top
of that we have to have approval
of the utilities.
they won't approve a wall in
that location.
it's a utility easement.
>> I just want to make sure you
look into it the guard rail with
the trees sounds viable.
thank you, guys.
>> thank you.
>>
>> come on up.
>> I'm going in order.
are you martha?
>> martha, come on down.
[inaudible]
>> you are here.
that's what is most important.
>> exactly.
can you state your name and
address, ma'am.
>> my name is market that.
my last name is.
I live 2971 northwest 110
avenue, sun rides, florida.
33322.
>> welcome.
go ahead.
>> we had an association called
mvp.
they ran the association for two
years.
they on june 6th of this year
they run out with our money.
they presented to us $6000 that
we do have.
when we contact the bank we
found $1400 with a reserve of
ten dollars.
in other words they took out our
money.
we did a police case.
we did city of sunrise.
we put a -- with the state of
florida.
I did the complaint with the
better business bureau.
nothing has been done.
I know the city of sunrise is a
compassionate city.
I am coming over here to get
your advice, to get your help.
>> todd: see what you can do for
us.
the alliance property managers
now per our -- refers to
mr. Alliance property management
to run our hoa.
they assess 800, I mean for
august $500.
for september another $500.
on top of the 125 association
fee.
as far as try to put money to
runt business of our hoa.
as far as the board of
directors.
they don't want us.
we are 75 houses.
home owners signed up for a new
board of director.
like myself they're suppose to
request every three months for
the balance of the bank.
how the association was.
they never requested it.
we tried to get a new board of
directors.
it was stated that can not be.
we condition have a meeting.
to get a new board of director.
we don't know what to do.
we just, we don't have no idea.
we tried to consult a real
estate lawyer.
very expensive.
very very expensive.
we have holes in the street, our
pool is closed.
they increased two, three years
ago.
my mvp from $95 to $125 to text
up the pool.
to fix up the holes, the pot
holes on the street.
to trim our streets.
nothing has been done.
as far as we know the is still
in business ripping other
associations.
it's not fair.
for us to be paying and someone
takes off with the moppy and are
still doing business someplace
else.
>> I understand.
>> like the city, you guys, the
city of sunrise we would like
you to help us out.
his name is mario.
he's the owner of my mvp.
he's doing business someplace
else.
it's not fare for us to leave us
with ten dollars.
he presented we of $61,000.
we contacted the bank.
they told us it was.
the reserve was ten dollars.
we don't know what to do.
I went office they told me they
can't do.
I spoke to anna.
she told me there is nothing she
can do because we don't --
condos.
because we're a development.
it's nothing she can do with us.
>> let me ask the chief of
police to come up and give us a
little update.
okay.
he's coming up behind you.
>> repeat that again.
>> I am asking the chief of
police come up.
>> the case number four the
police department was this
report.
2106.
this is the --
>> okay.
>> thank you, very much.
>> no problem.
commissioner I don't know the
defails of a investigation we
have going on.
what I would like to do is talk
to you in the hallway with major
sweat.
we will look into the criminal
in sref gauges and other items.
>> any assistance?
>> from my perspective there is
limited resources from city
this.
appears to be mostly a private
matter.
>> you concur.
>> yes I do concur.
>> there use to be an
association --
>> my apologies.
>> deputy --
>> good everything.
[inaudible]
>> I do agree with what mark
said.
sorry.
>> I have been involved in
condos there.
is a lot of people that have
these challenges.
we condition start opening that
door.
they're private organizations
and what not.
I think we should leave the
police investigation look into
it.
>> yes.
>> we received an e-mail this
past week.
tory, I believe was on top of
this.
so, I want to speak with chief
rose a if you can provide, I
think he has your contact
information.
will he contact you to give you
information on the hoa to take
over.
the state rep to get involved.
we can't as stated but we can
provide resources as to who can.
>> thank you, for me the problem
is that this company keep on --
nor me, my perspective.
think those people, that company
keep doing what they doing on
and on because nobody does
anything.
they open business with another
name.
the same company.
as far as with know the company
is running and doing business as
another associate.
thank you, very much.
I really appreciate it.
>> before you go.
I think commissioner scuotto had
something to say.
>> there was a condo association
that took place once a month at
phase one.
think it's ran by the county.
they would be the ones that
helped all of the individual
associations with the rules and
by laws and all of the different
things.
they had representatives
representing in tallahassee.
I think it's a county thing.
I can't remember what the
organization was.
I know they met every month at
phase one in the club house.
it was all of these lawyers and
entities from the hoas that
would meet.
I think it was through the
county.
maybe the area agency on aging.
one of the ladies that worked
there ran it.
I can maybe try to find out
tomorrow.
>> as you may -- as you may
imagine, ma'am.
I will allow to you comment.
I wanted to say because I do get
those calls in my capacity as
city commissioner, all the time.
people are having challenges
with management company.
people feel like they're being
taken advantage of by their
boards.
we as a city still have limits
to what we can do as a
government.
each of the condo associations.
we have quite a few here in the
city based on how it was
developed initially.
they're private corporation.
if you have a management company
that stole money it's no
different than a public stealing
upony.
to the extent of a criminal
case.
>> it's a criminal matter in
here.
I believe that company still
doing business.
>> right. Obviously the chief
will look into it.
if there is a issue there to be
addressed.
as city commissioners.
this is the rule of law that we
a bide by.
we try to* not to get involved
if the operational and issues
where police are concerned.
>> if they investigate and they
believe there is basis for
criminal charges they will press
forward with that.
we stay away from getting into
individual cases.
we deal with policy of how the
police department operates in
the community.
we don't want to comment too
much on details of a particular
case.
I'm sure if it's there they will
find out.
>> thank you very much.
as far as the -- when I went
to -- they told me nobody can
help us out by a real estate
lawyer.
but I can speak with the city of
sunrise to see if something can
be done.
>> sometimes things that are
criminal are also civil.
maybe a real estate lawyer would
help you recoup the money in a
civil proceeding or help you
organize yourself to be legally
effective.
there could be a criminal
element to it
again I'm sure we have some of
the best investigators around.
they will find out if there is a
criminal charge there to be
brought.
>> okay.
thank you, very much.
>> mayor ryan.
anything?
>> nothing further.
>> thank you.
>> thank you, ma'am.
thank you for coming up.
>> thank you.
>> have a good evening.
anyone else wishing to speak on
a matter during open discussion
in the audience?
tory, anyone on the phone,
wanting to speak in open
discussion?
>> no hands are raised.
>> alright.
I will close open discussion.
>> mr. Hill was on the line.
he to go.
I will discuss that in my
commission report.
>> who?
>> mr. Hill.
I think lordes informed you.
it's okay.
>> I'm sorry.
>> he had to hang up.
>> let's go back to 12b.
is that alright with my
colleagues.
12b.
>> yes, 12b.
>> I will read it.
>> transfer of property.
commission discussion and/or
action regarding first reading
of an ordinance of the city of
sunrise, florida, approving an
agreement for sale and purchase
between the city of sunrise and
new urban sunset strip, llc, for
city property generally
described as a portion of tracts
25 and 26 in the northwest one
quarter of section 35, township
49, south, range 41 east, of
florida fruit lands company
subdivision number one, as
recorded in plat book 2, page
17, of the public records of
dade county, florida -- I will
allow mr. Lubelski to give us a
quick introduction on this
matter.
move.
>> move it.
>> second.
>> moved and seconded.
>> thank you, deputy mayor.
on october 13th, 2020, the
city commission authorized the
city manager to tender officers
and counter officers in writing
concerning the property.
providing the sale is not less
than the property appraised
values.
urban communities with a strong
reputation in south florida is
successful developer of urban
projects.
they're proposing a residential
development with -- rear loaded
garages and offered front
porches.
at least three of the homes are
live work units.
the pros project satisfy the
vision of the master plan
compatible with the sir oupbding
neighborhood.
the kpheugts previously
requested the agreement include
a call back or conclusion.
staff has provided similar
protections for the city and the
attached agreement includes the
following safeguards.
establishes the closing will
take place with all land use in
place and three homes are ready
for issuance this.
insures once the closing occurs
construction commences shortly
after closing.
the buyer to obtain a loan
commitment letter for financing
of the property purchases, site
cost and vertical construction
costs.
this provides reasonable
assurance the buyer has
appropriate finance for the
project.
at agreement requires in the
event a buyer fail to close the
loan within 60 days, the seller
can purchase the property from
the buyer in the khur pace
price.
this provides a call back
provision if there is not a call
back within 60 days.
once the loan is closed the
construction will commence
shortly after with her mits and
financing.
there is an ex hebt of
provisions for a detailed over
view of the project.
a development agreement with
insure to be developed with the
city's provision.
a sales price of $500,000
includes affordable housing on
90% of the units this.
is in line with an updated
appraisal scenario.
the project is to be the first
in many years, intended to
create significant interest in
the marketplace due to playing
concepts and kwaugt of pros
development.
tim hernandez is here today.
I would like to bring him up to
introduce himself and answer any
questions that the commission
may have for him or for staff.
>> good everything mr. Manis.
>> good I'm I'm tim hernandez
with my record kevin record next
to the back row, with me.
new urban has been in business
for about 22 years.
we have done a lost
redevelopment projects
throughout south florida.
notably pwroeuard county.
mira bella off palm avenue.
we did two develops bel isle and
currently building a development
wilt manors.
we have done a couple in ft.
lauderdale, victoria park on the
old bank atlantic corporate
site.
we are currently developing
pompano beach fishing village at
the pier.
that's just broward.
number of projects in delray
beach.
our fifth project in delray
beach is beginning.
we have four in jupiter.
we like to find communities we
can understand the market in and
work together with the staff and
continue to do more developments
within the communities.
so as mark indicated we focused
on infield redevelopment
projects.
-- big cookie cutter home style
types.
we look to develop something
that is compatible with
surrounding neighborhood.
hopefully help curve as a
catalyst for further development
in those areas.
think that's our track record
through our history.
we spend a lost time and effort
on design, architecture design
and our site planning, try to
create unique and attractive
settings for our residents to
live.
we are local, we live here.
we want to come back to our
communities and see they're
better overtime.
that they have made the
communities we build in better
overtime.
we work very hard the last year
plus with your staff, mark
particularly to create something
that is consistent with east
sunrise plan that you guys had
adopted, compatible with the
surrounding community.
we're excited about this
development.
I mean it's, you read about how,
you know sales prices have gone
up here.
to be able to deliver at work
force housing development in
this neighborhood is important.
it's a challenge.
it takes everyone working
together to be able to do that.
construction costs have sky
rocketed over the last year.
it's unbelievable.
so it takes etch working
together to get this done.
I think we have done that.
>> thank you, my colleagues may
have questions for you.
>> commissioner scuotto.
>> yes, you said pompano beach.
that's all commercial pretty
much?
>> I yes that is all commercial.
we do multi family, rental
developments, for sale town
homes and single family detached
housing and commercial.
and some mixed use with
residential and residential in
the development.
>> the up with you're doing with
us is just residential.
>> a 00 percent.
28 single family detached homes.
like the one we did in ft.
lauderdale that was 30 single
family detached homes.
>> -- cypress street.
>> no near the old gateway
theater.
>> the high rise one.
>> no two story detached homes.
30 homes.
they built for us.
we had nothing to do with it
they built a bbt branch bank.
they tore down the six story big
atlantic historic corporate head
courters.
put a branch bank in front.
in the back part there was
about, similar size, a little
less than three acres and we put
the homes on.
those homes were much more
expensive because of the
neighborhood surrounding it but
it was similar.
detached homes on small lots.
>> so, I mean the tame frame you
feel you can do this in.
if we approve this tonight what
is the time frame you would
begin -- you mention now about
the cost.
yet we bought the prompt for
900,000.
we're giving it to you for
500,000.
that's a cost savings to you
there.
>> it is.
I wish I could of start two
years ago.
it would of been a better deal
for us.
to be honest with you.
in terms of timing it was up to
us.
we like, we have a site plan.
we turn the site plan, we get
approval.
we have to go through the
development review process.
unfortunately it's not platted.
we have to go through the
counting platting process too.
>> how long with l. That take?
>> probably a year.
we will do the platting
simultaneous.
>> when the county approves the
plat we're ready to roll.
we will start construction
relatively speaking in about a
year or . So it depends highway
fast we sell.
think we will sell.
we're limited in the price we
can sell for.
I think we will sell fast.
the 28 homes should be built in
a period not more than two
years.
three years from today, okay.
>> three years from today you
feel you will have a completed
project.
>> yes.
I would like to think it could
go fatter but this is a quality
development.
land development.
sewer, water, drainage.
go through the permit.
permit through county
environmental department as
well.
>> I just wanted to get the time
frame.
this is something we started
this east side, this was to be
one of our first things.
>> I know.
when you first authorized the
agreement you said you wanted it
done as fast as humanly
possible.
I echoed that.
>> I want to make sure the fries
price of construction won't
scare you to delay the project
and wait.
>> no, we're not scared by it.
we perform.
kevin is the general contractor.
we don't have to go out and find
a contract tore do this, okay.
however prices will continue to
rise a bit.
the way this works is we have
to, we agreed to sell the homes
to people making less than 140%
of the medium income.
presumably that price inches up
a little bit each year too.
that hopefully covers the cost
of construction.
it hasn't frankly in the last
couple of years.
the cost of labor.
the cost of materials,
commodities have increased much
more.
it's ray cyclical industry.
things go up, flatten and go
down.
we believe in the market,
neighborhood and believe we can
make it work.
>> thank you.
>> thank you, sir, for coming
here today.
we have formulas here we're
using to determine the
affordable housing component.
what is this average salary?
>> it's adjusted by family size.
>> a family of four.
>> a family of four, I don't
have that, I didn't bring that
chart up with me.
>> staff, do you know.
>> I can look it up if you need
me too.
I think generally what you will
find is it's probably these days
in broward count.y I think the
median income in broward county
is in the 60s.
>> I wouldn't want you to
speculate.
I hear we will have -- they
sound good.
I love the project.
I want to make sure the fine
details are worked out.
>> so, if -- based op what I'm
hearing three bedroom, three
bedroom, two and a half bath,
single family, one-two car
garage.
15002018000 square feet.
I want to make sure someone can
afford it making the ami.
I want to know the pro equity
judged numbers.
>> sure I can pull up my power
point.
it's approximately,
approximately, a median income
of broward county for a family
of four, a hundred percent is
around 65,000 more or less.
>> deputy mayor, I have pulled
this up.
for 80% category for a family of
four it's 70,400.
for -- it's 105 income.
then it gets adjusted up or down
depending on the household size.
>> for 08% category.
>> yes.
>> what about a hundred.
>> the next category I see here
is 120.
that's 105,000.
>> okay that is another, the
range between 100 and
140 percent.
>> yes.
to clarify for this project we
have 25 of the homes between 80
and 100 percent.
-- then another 40% between
100-140.
>> so seven and seven will be
deed restricted for 30 years.
another 24 will be deed
restricted in the same 100-140
for ten years.
ten percent won't be deed
restricted.
hen ten, ten percent is 2.8.
how much do these sell for, sir?
>> they will sell for around
$400,000.
>> about 400.
>> about.
by the time they're up for sale
it will be a little movement in
that number.
it will be based on that table
that --
>> if you were to use today's
interest rate.
go for 3.5%.
how much is the mortgage on a
home for 400,000?
>> okay.
well if you bought, paid
$400,000 for the house, use that
number.
if you went fha, you have a 3.5
president down payment.
convention a 5% down payment.
you're basically talking high
300s 380-350.
that's the mortgage payment.
it's what the mortgage will be.
the mother gam payment -- let's
see if I can do that, if it's
interest only.
it's not.
it's an amortising loan.
>> we want to make sure the
person am ore tieing their
mortgage.
it's deed restricted for 30
years.
>> I thank you.
>> she brought my chart for me.
thank you. Oky doky.
let's see here.
>> the housing --
>> okay.
for example if you had a -- a we
did it for all different ways.
let's see the family of four
calculation here.
family of four.
a hundred percent.
did you a fha mortgage.
your monthly payment would be
about $1400.
the interest rates have been
really low lately.
say it goes up a bit.
on top of that commissioner,
remember we took this no
account.
you have to pay property taxes,
you have to pay insurance, you
have to pay an hoa fee.
we will have a common area to
maintain.
by and large your total housing
payment per month would be about
about $30,000 in total housing
cost per year.
about.
it's an estimate.
that's depending how much you
actually put down.
what the actual interest rate is
that time.
what the actual probably taxes
and insurance would be.
that's about what it would be.
you typically say someone can
afford ideally, they say around
30% of their income for housing
costs.
in a perfect world that's where
it would be.
these days in south florida
people pay probably a little
more or a lot more.
>> that's what we're trying to
do with affordable housing.
>> I hear you.
if we can achieve that we have
accomplished something.
you think someone having a 3800
mortgage would pay 1400 a month.
>> on pmi.
say it goes to 1500 or 1600.
it's reasonable.
think about an apartment.
you're lucky to get an apartment
these days for that price.
>> I understand.
>> of course your rent includes
taxes and insurance.
>> given you have bun proforma
what is projected for the
association.
>> I project now.
the association here would
maintain all of the grounds.
okay.
the common area, it would
maintain even the landscaping
around everybody's home.
each individual is responsible
for their own home.
okay.
I estimate about two hundred
dollars a month for the hoa.
landscape maintenance,
irrigation.
the pool.
those are the main elements have
to fire a probably manager to do
that.
>> that's about 1000 dolars a
month for 28 units give or take.
will there be common area
lighting or gate?
>> no gate.
we were told no gate by the
staff.
we do but will have lighting.
yes, street lighting on the
streets and in any common area
we will have lighting.
>> according to this seven of
the units are deed restricted
for 30 years.
these would be 70,000 tkharz for
his himself, wife and two
children.
for the next 30 years it would
have to be sold or resold to
someone adjusted for
inflation --
>> correct.
when you put that, there is a
double edge sword with a deed
restriction.
some people would say that's a
good idea.
you kept that neighborhood
reasonably priced for a longer
period of time.
someone may argue these people
are not allowed to capture the
wealth.
>> another seven again in 140%
range will have deeds restricted
for 30 years.
then we have 13, 14 units that
won't, well, ten years for about
11 of them.
ten years goes by quickly.
another throw with no
restrictions from the get.
go how do you see this?
the distortion effect?
you have three people who bought
for the same price.
>> yes.
>> they can sell their house in
the marketplace at a price that
anyone is prepared to pay.
ten years from now there are
eleven people jumping into that
pool.
they can sell it for whatever
the market commands.
then there is 14 people who
would be living in the communist
side of the community.
how do you see this compression
effect?
uplgt it's a interesting
question.
we have done this in other
places.
>> I have.
this is why I ask.
>> okay.
so we did one in delray beach.
we h it was reversed.
there was like a small number of
deed restricted units and a
large number of market rate
units.
so the way I look at it, first
of all we would like to have as
many unrestricted units as we
could. We could sell them for
more money up front.
on the other hand the people who
bought those, those unrestricted
units to begin with.
we will charge them more money
then we're able to charge.
>> you say these will be sold --
>> yes.
I'm not selling the same unit.
>> which one will sell for foyer
hundred thousand?
>> the restricted units will be
around for 400 units.
the unrestricted maybe 50,000 or
$40,000 higher.
whatever the market can bear.
>> there are three tiers here.
assume 146 them will sell for --
>> that's a good guess tpufpblgt
tell me I could price
accordingly.
my guess.
kevin, what do you think for a
premium between only having a
deed restriction for ten years
versus 30 years.
I would say it's probably a
5 percent difference.
maybe ten percent.
it depends on the individual.
some people are so happy to get
a house it's living I will do
whatever I have to do.
I will take the restriction.
others will say I will pay, I
will bet the market will go up
more in that period of time.
>> what would be the premium on
the ones, the three with no
restrictions.
>> I think it will be
significant.
I think that will be a double
premium over what, between the
ten and the thirty.
>> is that part of the proforma?
>> yes.
>> I saw one without a
differentiation in price.
>> into it shows a
differentiation in price.
>> I didn't notice.
>> yes, it showed a
differentiation in price with
the unrestricted.
but you're correct it didn't
show a differentiation between
the ten and thirty year.
there should be somewhat like
5%.
>> okay.
I will save the rest of my
questions for staff.
thank you for your presentation.
sir.
>> hold on.
assistant deputy mayor.
>> thank you for pointing that
out.
>> go ahead.
>> hold your fire.
I'm sorry. Hold your thought I
want -- since I'm --
>> I didn't want him to sit
down.
>> no he can come back.
I wanted to direct, I didn't
think co answer these other
questions.
>> sorry.
go ahead, commissioner douglas.
>> no.
obviously we have -- I have no
problem selling something at a
subsidy if it promotes a common
good.
we bought it for about $900,000.
even using a baseline would be
giving up 400,000-dollar
subsidy.
I saw an appraisal for 1
pointalot.
I saw another updated appraisal
for another amount.
I saw another appraisal for
another amount.
taking into consideration
various assumptions.
I'm not sure I'm comfortable
with the a prates als.
how the property was appraised.
if I don't feel comfortable that
given the public dollars away, I
understand.
I'm supportive of the east
sunrise development.
not every project, not every
developer -- I'm not knocking
your capacities or thiging
you're not shooting straight
with us.
I'm saying not every project
will be right.
because of how the dollars are
playing out.
I will start with a base hine of
four hundred thousand.
I know there were assumptions
based on covid.
according to the appraisal we
know how the market played out.
I know there are assumptions of
2 units being built or five or
ten.
that's 30 -- the numbers are all
over the place.
if I'm giving up flex units.
it's not just the land sale but
giving up flex units I have a
lot more questions.
I may not necessarily want to
put staff on the spot.
I can't support it tonight as it
is.
I will pass the floor.
>> as you know I'm fairly new.
agree with commissioner douglas.
my concern was the same for the
affordable housing and east
sunrise.
I to would like to kind of wait
for more information and do more
research.
even on other properties they
have in broward county.
>> thank you.
>> mayor ryan.
>> thank you, deputy mayor.
first of all thank you to the
team for being here.
it's apparent they're incredibly
knowledgeable and done projects
like this.
I think hearing my colleagues
who have not only reasonable
questions but gaps of
information as a courtesy to my
colleagues I wouldn't want to
proceed.
I think this have a project we
need to be a hundred percent
behind as we begin it I would
like to move rapidly up or down.
I think time is of the essence.
an outline of plotting is
laborious and time consuming.
there are significant policy
questions raised including
whether this is the right
balance of deed restriction and
it might be correct as a effort
to jump start the area.
as pointed out and answered this
is a legitimate question as to
whether or not we're doing this,
kind of excluded some people who
get in early from the beauty of
home ownership.
investing all of your money in a
single asset and then not able
to take advantage to improve the
area.
based on the questions of
commissioner douglas.
fare and reasonable as pointed
out by assistant deputy mayor
I'm not sat fights moving
forward until everyone is
satisfied.
>> mr. Scuotto.
>> okay.
let's break this down in
english.
so this is where it comes down
to make commissioners
understand.
for someone out of the ordinary.
none of us are developers or do
what they do.
here the city had a piece of
property.
someone wanted to get rid of it.
we purchased it.
we bait it for 9 hundred
thousand.
we wanted to develop it.
we're not a developer.
we knocked the building down and
left it for grass.
we put ideas out this.
for one problem we bought it for
nine hundred.
we're giving it to someone for
five hundred.
anyone would say that's pretty
crazy.
you have an appraisal that says
the property now because how
things have escalated up it's
worth two million.
whatever it is.
that's our investment instead of
coming out of pocket to give
someone something to redevelop
where it is.
here, we have a couple of
options.
we put it out this.
is the option we chose.
we could of picked habitat for
humanity.
here you want to develop 15
houses or 20 we could gone that
route.
we could of gone to someone else
and say eight houses on each
side, single family and give it
to someone and do that.
this is what the option was.
affordable housing.
everyone thinks of affordable
housing as what you grew up with
in new york or chicago. You put
people in big buildings and give
free rent or co ops.
whatever it is.
affordable housing, commissioner
douglas it's $400,000.
it's not credited affordable
housing.
but the rate of the market of
the homes going in all of these
areas are 300, 100 plus.
I mean we just approved a
development that will go out on
the golf course, 900 units.
they will start off at 400,000.
>> we're not giving the public
that --
>> no, I'm saying to understand
for anyone listening.
they're going to have an option
to buy a house with no
restrictions a few at an
affordable rate.
because we're putting money into
this on our own we feel the
prices should be lower than the
100.
nobody can build under the 400
now.
I don't care why they come up
with the number.
>> if commissioner douglas has
the questions then maybe it
wasn't explained for us to
understand the money or property
we're giving towards this.
you think about busting down the
numbers.
when I busted them down if he
says $200 will be for an hoa.
okay.
if you buy a 400,000-dollar
house your taxes will be about
four thousand 1000 a year.
easy.
now you're buying at 100.
someone buying may under that.
four or five thousand.
then insurance minimum on a
brand new house 4000.
so I'm seeing -- we're looking
at an affordable house in
sunrise.
your payment is about 2700 to
$3000 a month without.
>> I don't want to give public
land in a subsidy if they can
afford to pay that.
>> that's what I'm saying.
when I sat on the, what do you
call it the regional planning
council for dade county, monroe
county and broward county I was
in charge of three different
counties.
miami. Has the issues we have to
give them 20 percent affordable
housing.
>> this is confusing to bust it
out as far as deed restricted.
he can get more money, people
can sell.
people after ten years.
it seems to be getting more
confusing as we talking about
this.
rather than how simplified it
is.
simplified I'm saying there will
be a dollar amount.
when someone says a house is
100,000 on the east side of
sunrise.
you don't have to make as much
money because you can qualify.
not with twenty percent down as
a normal person.
we will give you a 3% down.
why is someone buying something
for 440 there unless it's an
easy way to qualify unless the
3 percent down does help people.
3% down does help people at
400,000.
when you have to come up with
20,000, $80,000.
3 percent down you come up with
x amount.
>> I'm not trying to knock
anything.
he opened the door and we're
looking at it not as a two
hundred thousand dollar condo on
sunset strip.
you can buy a home out west here
for 450,000.
why do I want to be restricted.
we are figuring out why that
person wants to spend 450 there
and be restricted for ten years
or someone restricted for 30
years.
where is the benefit to me.
I will pay a 200-dollar hoa.
out west no hoa.
if I live in a gated
community --
>> what.
>> you live in a gated
community.
I'm saying, mayor ryan, neil has
an hoa too. Not substantial like
yours.
>> one of the things to think
about, I would say, there is a
premium for new construction.
okay.
there always is.
you pay more.
you build the same house 20
years ago, same square footage
and build a brand new one today
you will get a premium for that.
you are hitting the point we
have discussed with staff for a
long time.
rarely do we do 90% of the homes
as deed restricted.
by making 90% deed restricted
that reduces the price.
in the preforma the information.
I want to give you the exact
numbers.
I should of brought the lap top
originally.
I didn't understand this level
of specificity.
we h we projected homes to be
priced from 358 at the pot only
end for the ones under a hundred
percent of the median income.
one car garage and two car
garage.
one car was 1471 square feet it
had a 3 bedrooms in it.
the one with the 2 car gar am
was 1871 with four bedrooms
okay.
a hundred percent we projected
in today's dollars.
358 and 372.
okay.
25,000-dollar different.
for those 100 to 140 percent.
one car garage 1471 were 375 the
140% restricted that were at 4
bedrooms, two car garage, 1871
square feet were at 400,000.
then the market units we
projected to be 385 for the one
car garage.
1471 square foot unit.
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>> I want to sell for or not
sell or I don't support -- I see
the anomalies coming.
you have ten years is not a lot
of time.
more than half of the units
would be at market rate in the
next ten years.
look the set that is eleven deed
restricted for ten years, I
believe and two, so thirteen.
almost half.
within ten years there would be
a free for all on the market.
capitalist fro for all.
then you have another set of
people here would can only find
another individual finding.
how do we enforce that. Maybe
you can help me too. We would
seem to be in a position where
we have play police.
making sure, I don't know if
it's on the tkoed, title
insurance company will say how
much do you make.
then you have someone -- you
remember the liar liar mother
tkpwapblgdz back in the day.
how much do I need to make.
>> let me say something.
I think this is a really
interesting point.
I think commissioner scuotto was
going towards it initially when
you do a project like this,
okay.
you can talk about how long you
deed restrict for.
there are a lot of angles to
take.
you know philosophically you can
come up with different
approaches.
here is the key.
what you're trying to do here,
you're trying to redevelop a
neighborhood.
you're trying to lift a
neighborhood up.
one of the ways you can lift a
neighborhood up.
say there was no vacant piece of
property like this.
you can really inject excitement
and energy some, you know some
vision into what the
neighborhood could become you
instead.
there was no vacant pieces of
land.
you are relying on one person
here and one person here.
one person somewhere else.
slowly, slowly, slowly overtime
the whole neighborhood lifts up
this.
is different okay.
you have the chance to put 2
brand new homes here.
what that will do is it's going
to then, yes, that is an
investment.
to me, you pick whatever price
you want to sell it for and see
if you get someone to buy it at
the end of the day is to get
east sunrise moving.
>> todd: see new construction,
new investment is possible.
in this neighborhood.
you see people fixing up their
homes all of a sudden.
it happens time after time after
time this.
is not a cra.
it's not a created redevelopment
area.
in essence that's the sprat gee
you're employing here.
you're trying to take a
neighborhood that hasn't grown
in investment and value as much
as other neighborhoods in the
city has.
you're trying to inject
investment moot neighborhood to
make it happen.
make it happen sooner than it
otherwise would of if it was
done in a piece mail basis.
that's the urban planning theory
and the redevelopment theory
behind what you're doing.
I think it's a sound thaoer.y
you can get hung up on the sp*s
specs of the numbers.
I think the staff and us were
working towards a solution that,
that we didn't sell houses for
six hundred thousand dollars.
I don't know if I can could sell
them now.
some day you could.
I think, I haven't heard anyone
say they don't liking our plan
or concept.
everyone seems to like it it's
all about the numbers, about
what we can sell them for and
build them for.
>> you know, sir, I have to be
honest on the numbers
unfortunately.
as much as concepts are great.
this was printed out on the
agenda before.
it's public nothing.
the offer was four hundred
grand.
I got hung up on the numbers.
the item was pulled.
now the offer is another hundred
grand.
that's a lot of money.
I'm glad I was on the numbers.
even if my colleagues approve it
tonight, I can't.
I have another hundred grand
because I expressed my
discomfort with the numbers and
the item was pulled.
forgive me.
>> no, I'm not asking --
>> I condition blindly.
I believe all my colleagues
support redevelopment.
we went out there to bat for
sunrise we development.
we know whether the money is for
facade improvement, that has
happened before or whether we
buy units.
we have to put skin in the game.
the question is whether it's at
appropriate skin for what is the
pay back.
I see here an opportunity, a
train coming down the road.
the guy making $75,000 with a
family of four won't be able to
buy them.
we will have to then come back
and waeufbt conditions we set in
place.
I'm afraid that will happen down
the road.
>> so I understand where you're
going as far as what the numbers
or what you want to see.
so, yes.
like you said we agree we have
to develop this property.
what goes on the property
obviously is what they propose.
how do we get to this point of
developing property if we're
still stuck on the three year,
ten year, thirty year.
I understand that.
we have developments in sunrise
one, two, three, four.
phase four and three you can't
rent.
like you said.
two you can rent.
one you can rent is.
it going to be ten years from
now when phase three decides,
you know we need to start
renting too. I don't know.
I am not trying to stop a
development that we have been
waiting for that we paid for a
study and we have someone who, I
am saying we went out to bid.
we got different people to put
in what they thought was going
to be in this site.
then we have other sites on the
east side we would love to redo.
>> I'm not trying to kill this.
>> no --
>> the questions.
>> for me to understand what is
it that staff has to do or they
have to do that will make a -- I
don't care if it's that.
it has nothing to do with them.
I don't care who the person is.
I don't care if you pick artesia
to say I will blast 18 things
and do it in a year.
I don't care, who ever it is I
want them to do it I just don't
know if doing these restrictions
and why he's doing the
restrictions.
if we pick him as a developer or
anyone as a developer and say
we're building 28 units then
build 28 units.
if you want to do affordable you
have to come up with a formula.
70% to 8% of income so someone
making 70,000 going for a
regular mortgage may not qualify
for a 400,000-dollar house.
I don't know.
they come up with the formulas
and restrictions.
does that help someone.
>> they can't afford it.
>> let me get to my thought.
you picked this way to do this
with the deed restrictions
because that is what you have to
do?
>> it wasn't our idea.
that was the staff's idea.
>> okay.
>> if you're selling a unit for
350,000.
the max is 420,000 why not just
build 28 units and first come
first serve?
if we did that then the people
would come to us and say you're
not doing anything affordable
for the people on the east side.
>> the flex units are suppose to
be affordable.
>> no, this is what I'm saying.
this is what I'm saying.
we're caught, look when I sat on
the region planning council it
was the same thing.
figuring the units, flex units,
switching.
parkland was like I don't want
affordable.
you can't do that.
everyone has to have affordable.
weston and them.
this is the problem we had back
then.
so, I don't know what the median
is to get to an agreement.
>> I would like to continue this
discussion with staff.
I won't vote on it.
>> I don't care if we vote.
where are we going?
>> we have --
>> what are we trying to get
staff and them to do?
soy understand to make a
project.
a project.
not their project.
a project.
>> I won't back myself in a
corner where I have to flush it
out here with staff tonight.
I asked direct questions.
he answered them.
the questions that I don't think
staff is in a position to
answer.
he answered them.
as a result I can't support this
tonight.
there are five of us.
>> let me khoeupl in.
>> I am just trying to figure
out what is it, is it deed
restrictions that is the
problem?
that's what I'm trying to find
out?
>> I don't think necessarily the
deed restrictions are the
problem or not the problem.
I don't want to weight in on it
I want to flush it out it could
be there ought to be a deed
restriction.
>> on all of them.
>> I'm not say that.
>> I'm saying.
>> but the compression issue.
some are winners, some are lose
s are.
>> he's saying those that are
unrestricted he can get more
money for them.
why wouldn't he want more money
and mutt more unrestricted.
you have to have restricted
because of the affordable
housing component?
>> some it.
it's complicated.
that was the agreement we made
with staff.
they were concerned that we
would price it out of the range
of the neighborhood.
fyi too.
you can look on zillow or
realtor.com.
the houses in this mediate
neighborhood are selling in the
2s and 3*z now.
some are cracking over the 3*z.
prices are going up and they're
getting to mid 3s for some,
presumably those fixed up.
I mean a great thing would
happen if someone gets priced
out of this particular
neighborhood because they didn't
want to pay the premium for a
new house think about what
happens.
the dynamics of the housing
market.
they g they can go to the next
block, literally and buy a house
for a hundred thousand dollars
less.
they can fix it up.
that's exactly what you want to
happen.
>> I don't know if you have an
answer to the question.
I will go back to it.
how do we enforce, assuming we
did a deed restriction with a
differential.
>> sure.
>> how do we enforce it ten
years from now with respect to
those fourteen locked in for 30
years.
ten years from now joe blow
comes and wants to buy.
>> oh you're address six, you're
the 30 year guy.
who enforces it?
title?
the city goes in and says every
sale taking place we check.
I don't expect you to baby sit.
who does the monitoring to make
sure the guy who hustles on the
side to make 50,000 more, or
however he shifts the income.
okay to get that house you can
only say you make this amount.
how do you see that.
>> fare question, commissioner
douglas.
what has happened.
the town can talk to the city of
delray and jupiter.
those are two place wez have
done this, there maybe one more.
in delray particularly you have
the deed restriction on there.
okay.
write the deed restriction.
it basically says there is a
sign off from the city.
okay.
it basically says we meet and in
compliance --
>> they do that.
>> -- it's a simple thing.
what the city does.
they're not looking for money
under the table.
they're looking at the tax
return.
>> if you lie to the federal
government you know that's
between you and the federal
government.
they have to assume everyone is
honest.
you have to show the tax return
and say this is a eligible
buyer.
before you can close the sale,
the buyer will have a sign off.
someone has to get the sign off.
the real estate broker will come
in and say here is the tax
return.
you know john and mary want to
sell it to, to someone and they
have to see the tax return.
>> it's up to you guys to
control thaplt.
>> alright.
[inaudible]
>> I asked a question, I got the
answer.
I'm sure it's useful for my
colleagues too. Again there are
questions which I don't want to
sit here tonight and try to
flush it out with you.
I'm sure you are answering my
questions in good faith.
we have four appraisals to do.
I don't know --
>>
>> just a second.
what I hear is that you don't
want to go forward tonight.
assistant deputy mayor doesn't
and the mayor.
I hear the majority of the
commission.
I think someone wants to make a
motion to table.
before that I haven't opened
this up to public comment.
do I need to do that before a
motion is made since we have
done this? I don't --
>> since you're not voting on it
you can just motion to table it
without public hearing.
next time it comes up it's first
reading begin and you have
public comment.
>> so we are putting it on the
agenda for the next meeting.
will everyone have questions
answered?
or are we just getting rid of
the developer and going out to
bid again?
I don't understand.
>> I don't want to be pressed
into -- it came up the last
time.
I have.
[inaudible]
I don't want to flush this out
here.
I don't know if it will be
answered the next meeting.
>> I don't want to bring up next
meeting and we're not ready to
vote on it are we going out to
bid again.
so, next meeting is enough time.
>> I don't want to force myself
into the corner.
we have the budget.
I don't know if I will be
prepared to deal with.
procedurally however the
commission, what is the will of
the commission.
I don't I won't move to table it
so it comes next meeting.
>> you want it put off
indefinitely?
>> that's not what I want.
>> I will motion to table this.
>> I want to recognize mayor
ryan.
>> thank you, deputy mayor.
I want to be cleared.
I think the questions raised are
relevant.
the balance of deed
restrictions.
I want to give staff credit
here.
they have been incredibly
aggressive in trying to maintain
affordable housing.
commissioner scuotto, this is a
great opportunity.
I recognize as commissioner
scuotto said and support what he
said, at some level yes we are
likely, if it turns out to the
move of the commission we will
sell the property less than the
appraised value.
we're trying to prime the pump.
that's the issue.
the city is stepping in where
the private market hasn't yet
been able to recognize.
we're hopeful if there is an
investment by city it will
generate benefits.
as pointed out it may well
create opportunities and
neighborhood surrounding the
area.
I did want to move forward at
some level.
I extend the courtesy.
think the questions raised and
accept commissioner douglas has
many other questions he doesn't
want to flush out tonight.
I know he will, I'm confident he
will do that with great vigor
with straf and otherwise.
a better product for all of sus
a result of the continued
effort.
I want to move forward.
I think it's fair to the
developer.
I think it's fair to staff we
try to create a time line.
the next meet is noting until
the middle of september.
I recognize we have budget and
other things.
we are good at walking and
chewing gum.
I'm not trying to be trite or
short on it would I support
commissioner scuotto's motion to
table and second for the next
meeting.
as we have always done and we
have been mindful of our
colleagues much like I started
my comments it beginning.
I'm prepared to move forward on
a first reading and prepared to
vote on a first reading
understanding more needs to be
done.
I wouldn't want to press that as
a courtesy to colleagues.
I would like to table this for
the next meeting.
>> I agree.
>> I make a motion.
you want to speak, neil.
>> no, I will save it for later.
I agree with the motion.
>> motion to table it for the
next meeting.
>> second.
>> could we clarify
september 14th.
because the september 13th
meeting is just budget items.
>> okay september 14th.
>> 5:00 o'clock.
>> at 5:00 o'clock.
>> a motion by commissioner
scuotto to table.
a second by commissioner
douglas.
is that correct.
>> I second.
>> all in favor.
>> I.
>> opposed.
anyone opposed ? 5-0 on the
motion to table.
>> thank you.
>> if I have questions over the
past month, staff k I contact
him?
>> that's fine.
>> okay.
>> I am happy to meet with any
of you individually.
if you want to look at the
proforma or numbers I'm happy.
any of the five commissioners.
>> appreciate the offer.
>> thank you.
>> deputy mayor f I may, I
forgot your last name, I want to
thank you.
you answered all of the
questions.
you acknowledged the merits, I
have enjoyed this presentation.
I look forward to see you in
september.
>> thank you, mr. Hernandez.
>> let's go to old business 16a.
a resolution of the city of
sunrise, florida, a pro*fp
proving project agreement
between the city of sunrise and
hazen and schwaer pc, for
project agreement --
>> move it.
>> motion by commissioner
scuotto.
>> second.
>> second by assistant deputy
mayor.
any public hearing?
>> any comment by my colleagues.
I think, sorry.
my contacts are in today having
a hard time.
mr. Lubelski has a intro for the
matter.
>> thank you.
there was discussion regarding
potential acquisition.
at that point staff provided a
detailed schedule and cost
estimate prior to proceeding
with a consultant agreement.
in july I provided a schedule.
the schedule was prepared by
city staff, outside council.
the acquisition schedule and s.
two faces.
upon approval of the agreements
phase one will take
approximately eight months and
consist of in depth
consolidation study and rate
study.
upon completion of phase one we
will develop acquisition
options, commence negotiations
if appropriate.
phase one requires significant
investment for feasibility of
acquisition.
y val aations and rate study are
needed to determine if it's
feats I believe for either
party.
it's critical that he we are
form the adequate due diligent
to determine the appraised
value, lifecycle and costs to
repair, replace is sustain
assets.
further more toy value and apply
synergies to be project the
through the con sol stkaeugs of
city of sunrise and town.
if the phase one analysis
determines this is not feasible
a phase one optimal
administration, optional
administration and operational
analysis will be brought back
for consideration.
this will include a examination
of staff and resources, work
loads to observe relative
impacts, advantages and critical
concerns.
as stated earlier we will
develop acquisition options and
request formal authorizations
and commence if appropriate.
this requires a significant
investment.
the item before you tonight is
the project agreement for the
consulting services with a water
and waste water design for
technical due diligent steps for
phase one.
-- completed the master plan
update and has significant
amount of knowledge of the
utility system.
a separate agreement will be
repraeurd with the utility
financial consistent and
submitted as a separate item in
a future city meeting -- in
support of a transaction.
I'm available to answer
questions regarding this item.
>> thank you.
discussion among colleagues.
>> yes.
>> commissioner scuotto.
>> I want to say this is
probably one of the biggest
purchase that's this city has
ever made.
a water and waste water system.
it's not like you're buying just
a car and you get to drive it.
this is a system we're buying
and maintaining it for the rest
of our lives.
seems like the city of davie
months ago already had their
mootings with their mayor and
five missioners all filled out a
card whether they want to
rebuild their systems, how many
years it would take to build the
system or just go ahead and let
sunrise take over the system.
in that reading it was 5-0.
5-0.
let sunrise take over the
system.
so now davie is doing a study
like we are.
their study is totally
different.
their study is how much is our
stuff worth.
literally nothing.
I'm sorry.
that's the whole study.
how much can we get from
sunrise.
our study is the total opposite.
we have to go through the whole
system and figure out how much
it will cost.
obviously davie didn't do it.
because they figured how much it
will cost to redo the entire
system - the cost of fixing the
infrastructure if it's
deteriorated or not.
so, I mean it's just -- the
first time being up here to
negotiate something like this
where you're buying something
from another city.
agreeing they don't want it
anymore.
whether it's bad planning, bad
rebuilding, rehabbing.
so, I jut want to make sure that
you know hayes and swayer doing
the study for us.
they know our system.
I want to make sure this is the
money that we're paying
substantial amount of money to
do this study that it's the
study of a lifetime that we want
to make sure we get all and most
and correct information because
buying a system like this.
we know when we approve water
and waste water projects in our
own city it's not like a
50,000-dollar project.
it's continue million, eight
million, seven million.
we have 10% of davy right now.
right now we provide 10%.
we would bye the 40% left.
I want to make sure when you buy
something first dibs usually you
buy the first 60 because it was
good.
I want to make sure we're
spending the money the right
way.
I don't want to buy 40% of
something something on going.
yes we have to pit money in, yes
we have to tie it into our
system.
maybe there are ways to shut
down part of our system.
our system can handle it.
I'm just saying to hays and
swayer do not put us in a bad
situation.
>> we have faith in hayes and
swayer I have to put my faith in
mr. Welch, rodrigo and the rest.
someone in the audience out
there working on the things day
to day please everybody be
watching for this.
this is something major that
we're going to take over.
I definitely do not want
something in the tens of
millions of dollars to bite us
later on.
I wanted to put that out there.
thank you.
>> commissioner douglas.
>> obviously I share my
colleagues concerns and have
discuss it did with the city
manager.
I imagine our consultants
without being told would shoot
straight with us.
I want to say it would be a
concern for all of us.
sunrise is a major regional
water utility because some
people who have sat here before
us made bold decisions about I
object vesting in a utility
system.
some don't have their on water.
westop and others buying from
us.
we have enough for our sells and
we sell to others.
that was a bold move.
we have a perming of funding.
operating budget each year.
which obviously if you have
fixed costs and fixed or certain
revenues coming in, a enterprise
system.
it reduced the need to tax
residents more to get the amount
of dollars you need to run the
budget.
so, I certainly would want to be
on the bold side in pursuing
this.
obviously I wouldn't move
forward if the numbers don't
make sense.
I want the numbers to come back
in a way that even the babys can
see it makes as soon as.
it ought not to be something
that we need to be technical,
have technical skills to figure
it out.
he who pays the piper plays the
tune.
I do know there are opportunity
costs associated with taking one
decision versus another.
I expect that economies of scale
may of played a roll in how
davie made a decision.
if you have something as
significant as a water utility,
significant infrastructure
required without the
opportunities to grow it doesn't
make s-ps to make the further
invest hadn't.
I presume given we have the
scale already that we could
achieve some economies of that
scale.
if we were to buy them.
where we co-op rate at a lower
cost and they could based on
tieing what we already have.
of course there is the unlocking
of selling for x.
a lot of value to unlock if do
you it the right way.
I'm quite prepared to ex lore
this and hopefully beyond the
right side of history when
someone talks about whether it
was the right thing to do to
prefer sue this opportunity.
so, I am prepared to support at
least this initial phase.
>> assistant deputy mayor.
>> yes, thank you.
I'm conflicted on this.
a gree with you both.
think it's a good opportunity.
I feel it's a lot of money for
phase one.
we don't know what phase two
looks like if we move forward.
also feel like we have our own
inhouse things that are needd in
that department.
where I feel we need to take
care of our own people first
before we fix outside.
I know that there are a number
of things that need to be
upgraded or things expected or
we need to get in our own city.
I feel like before we invest on
all, if we should be able to
look at ours first.
>> if that makes sense to you.
so, that's where I feel on that
particular situation.
do you have an idea what phase
two looks like.
or is that out of the question
right now?
>> the phase two costs, we have
not identified the phase two
costs on it I believe that the
consulting engineering component
the majority is phase one moving
forward.
I don't expect there to be a
significant cost from the
consulting engineer.
there be other cots in phase two
if we move forward with
acquisition.
that is consultants, financial
and bond consultants.
there will be probably limited
amounts from hayes and swayer
phase two.
a large part of the heavy
lifting is phase one analysis of
this.
we need to do that true analysis
to make educated recommendations
to the commission whether to
proceed regarding assistant
deputy mayor's concern we
completed the master plan.
there is work to do with the
master plan.
however the work is not ind
noted of this.
we will implement the master
plan requirements along with
this phase one analysis.
we're confident we can do that.
we realize we have a lot of work
to do.
if the commission moves forward
we're capable of handling it.
>> mayor ryan.
>> thank you.
first of all I congratulate my
colleagues on the effort and the
vision as stated in multiple
meetings including this one as
well as what, this faces as
commissioner douglas says is a
bold decision this.
is an opportunity worth eve
investment.
I am concerns based on the
assistant deputy mayor's points
raised are you telling us that
the investment in this analysis
is not going to compromise
operations or investment in
operations or some how we're not
taken care of at home while we
divert funds to the analysis.
I want to be clear.
that's a serious concern.
>> excellent point brought up by
you and assistant deputy mayor.
we're confident we can deliver
the master plan and requirements
of the master plan and lofty
goals of the master plan even
moving forward with the analysis
with the acquisition.
>> I'm supportive, no further
comments.
>> I'm also supportive.
we need to have this information
to make informed decisions going
forward on this acquisition.
we need to know the value of the
condition.
I think it's, if it comes out
right we will look like rock
stars.
I'm hoping it comes out right.
any further comments from
colleagues?
call the question.
>> commissioner douglas.
>> yes.
>> assistant deputy mayor.
>> yes,.
>> deputy mayor.
>> yes,.
>> commissioner scuotto.
>> yes.
>> mayor ryan.
>> yes.
>> item passes 5-0.
>> new business.
17a.
license plate readers.
commission discussion and or
action regarding automated
license plate readers.
commissioner joseph a.scuotto.
>> thank you, commissioner.
each of us I guess a couple of
weeks ago each met with the saw
grass mills mall.
I think we each met individually
regarding what they were talking
about, what the county wanted to
do at saw grass with the trans
or station hub and whatever
else.
so at that meeting I just
happened to be chatting with
them afterwards.
started to talk about you know
security at the mall and
different things like that about
the mall.
I asked them about the license
plate readers.
I said how many security
vehicles do you have out at the
mall.
I think they said six or eight
security vehicles.
that two of the security
vehicles had license plate
readers on them.
soy just started to talk to them
in general about if they were
interested in you know like if
the city wanted to expand that.
would they be interested in I
know putting more on the
vehicles.
you know like that.
a random conversation with them.
I get a lost cops that come into
my restaurant.
this was probably I want to say
maybe eight months maybe more
than that, ago.
they were telling me they just
met with, met with, they were
meeting with someone about
putting more readers in the
city.
so, I was just listening to what
they had to say.
how they say it's helped them
solve crimes and different
things like that. I just started
to ask the chief and get
information about the license
plate reader.
I started to say have we, you
know, we have some in the city.
I said if something has happened
in the city have we used lauder
hill readers.
their answer was yes.
the county has installed them at
m. Park because of the gun
range.
one way in, one way out.
there are readers in this park
in sunrise.
I asked how is there a way we
would be able to figure out if
the mayor or commission.
if I brought this up.
if we want to expand on this.
so there are different linings
like that. People have asked for
money, asked how to fund it I
just wanted to bring this up.
ft. Lauderdale has whatever.
lauder hill has over 200.
I don't know the number we have,
but to me as a outsider, to help
the police to solve I just think
these are very I straouplt al.
that is my personal opinion.
would I bring the chief up if he
has -- I just want to ask him a
few questions regarding it.
>> chief rosa, come on up.
>> we have the red light
cameras.
I know red light cameras are
touchy for a lot of people.
even previous commissioners
before us.
I was trying to see how we could
afix these tag readers to things
that we don't have to pay for
costs when we already have.
so I'm trying to see.
I would have to talk to lubelski
to see if there are other things
we can mount the readers to, to
expand it.
chief, you no I brought this up.
I just, for the information,
this is no back up -- chief,
what wills can we do stpheplts a
couple of questions there.
I will start with what we
can'tly own or have ago assess
too.
the city owns eight cameras.
they're in zit configurations.
you mentioned the mall vehicles.
the city ons that camera.
they a sit us with hits moat
buying us when they get hits.
we also have four that are on
camera trailers.
portable trailers that we have.
we have two on speed trailers.
one fixed at thent raps at the
pd reporting traffic by there.
as far as the other ones within
the city so the mall has a
camera, that is mobile in the
mall parking lot.
this are two fixed cameras that
we have access to the data from
in the orange garage at the
mall.
then there is three cameras at
thent raps and exits capturing
the in and out traffic of the m.
park.
what we have now is a little
disjointed with varying levels
of access alerts and
accessibility to the cameras.
as far as where the cameras,
where we could add cameras.
there is a lot of different
option s available to us.
everything from using our light
poles, red light camera program
or identifying other poles
available in the city.
I don't know where those are or
what they are.
we may have to do research and
study based on what we want to
do.
>> what about the cost?
>> it varies greatly.
we have to identify a funding
source or in a different
scenario there could be findings
available through revenues city
is getting to the red light
cameras.
there is a cost to everything.
>> what is the cost for the
reader.
>> I can't answer the question.
>> how much is one on a car?
>> the cost is different for the
hardware and the service you
want.
it's variable.
>> the usefulness of the
readers.
are they useful to you.
>> very useful.
we -- parts of our investigative
process, you mention -- they
have the most robust programs,
lou derhill we initiate cases.
we use their system.
it's very valuable.
>> okay.
>> I just want to bring it up.
if this is something -- I would
like to know what the costs are
to see how we could, if it's the
will of the commission to
implement and get more.
to do it as a phase in.
years ago saw grass mill mall
was the number one stolen car
lot.
that's what we were known for
when it opened.
to me I just, knowing what from
the cops tell me from lauder
hill.
ft. Lauderdale tell me how much
it helps them, knowing we use
their equipment.
to protect people.
you have phase one, two, three,
four.
the main artery in and out of
those.
you either have to get out on
university, nob hill, pine
island, 115th, or open park
and 70th or whatever you call
that street.
you put six right there you can
protect whatever ten, fifteen
thousand people as far as having
a reading to cover that amount
of people.
then again that's where we get a
lot of people who prey on
elderly.
maybe some of those cars,
they're using as stolen that
prey on whatever they're robbing
the cars or whatever.
not saying we have high rates of
crime.
you don't need multiple
crimes -- one incident we had
this week went a shooting.
if he with had a camera
somewhere afixed.
a shopping center that partners
with us where every car has.
you get on the saw grass you
have the easy pass.
we have the sen pass here.
everywhere you drive it's
flicking to charge you by the
mate.
I can't see why this can't help
us solve --
>> commissioner scuotto.
>> yes.
>> can I interrupt for a second.
>> yes.
>> I completely support the
effort here.
would you be willing.
I would support a motion if
that's what you're I tended to
do to direct to the police
department to look at increasing
in either phased capacity or
otherwise particularly the
budget hearing upcoming the best
use of this.
I believe it's a powerful law
enforcement tool in the city and
cooperation with others through
the points you have raised.
perhaps we can find out if
others agree and the police
department can move forward.
we're not telling them where to
put it we can offer suggestions
but this is a great opportunity.
I appreciate you bringing this
forward.
>>
[inaudible]
>> this is where I'm going with
this.
the police chief was not able to
answer many of the details.
I suggest the police chief meets
with us individually and bring
it back.
I don't want to make a motion
and tkregt, go into town
without --
>> I didn't put it out there.
>> I'm not talking I'm
responding to the mayor to
direct him to move forward.
>> let me clarify, point of
order.
I didn't suggest move forward.
move forward for a study to the
commission.
that's all I suggested so we all
have it I don't disagree with
what you're saying.
I didn't suggest to go to town.
>> point of order.
you want to rule point of order,
mayor.
I don't know -- I'm just saying
I thinks it r. It's useful that
we all be briefed.
you have mentioned that there
are many ways this could be
done.
so come to us with framework
that you think is the most
effective.
meet with each of us.
then --
>> hear what everyone had to
say.
I didn't put action item.
I wanted to bring up.
it happened to be.
I met with the people from saw
grass mills mall.
I asked about the guy on the
roof.
I said, did he get driven there
or walk there.
then it lead into the reader.
>> I commend you bringing it
forward.
I don't think we have enough --
>> that's what I said.
>> gentlemen, let me give
commissioner g. A chance to
speak.
>> soy just briefly looked at
the rates.
15,000 to 30,000.
I don't know if that's accurate.
I'm supportive of it I do want
to know if there is a way to
find out.
-- I imagine they should know
the background.
the pricing, the company to use.
if we could find out that
information.
I would be happy to meet with
you to discuss more.
>> yes, ma'am.
>> I also would like to have
more information.
we're not moving on this
tonight.
meet with us.
provide us a plan.
let us know the cost.
I think the justification is
there.
I think we lack -- chief I think
you understand the consensus
where we want to go with the
item.
>> I will put a plan together
with order and plan for
implementation.
>> by the way it's going
obviously your determination how
do you this.
in terms of red light cameras I
would rather not.
I don't want to their to balloon
and be married to the red light
camera program.
if this commission or future
commission decides the red light
camera program is no longer
right for the committee I don't
want us to say oh, our license
plate readers are tied to it and
can't terminate it I would
rather they stand alone.
>> we utilize the infrastructure
of the poll for the power.
>> that's what I want to know.
how much does it cost to put on
a car, a poll, a building.
>> he will meet with us to
provide the information to us.
>> thank you, chief.
>> thank you.
>> 17b.
ordinance creating residency
requirements for charter
officers.
commission discussion and or
action regarding first reading
of an ordinance of the city of
sup rice, florida, amending
chapter 2, administration,
article four officers and moe
he's division one generally --
commissioner douglas to you
first.
>> so I have always had my eyes
out for various way that's we
could improve our governance and
strengthen our structure.
coming off of the making the
fire chief a charter officer I
recall -- little offing here by
default more so than a
requirement.
I'm happy to live here.
there was nothing requiring them
to do that.
then I remember as we were I ter
viewing last police chief I
think it was my colleague
commissioner scuotto choose to
respond to things on a flash.
weather the new chief is within
shooting range of the city.
thank god we didn't take him up
on it.
by now he would have been
divorced.
he did offer to move here.
-- we don't spend it or carry
out the policies.
we die very well many that down
to our charter officers.
they have significant
discretion.
the treasurer the community and
also the discretion given to
them.
they make decisions that impact
this community in very
significant ways.
so you know obviously zit
communities across country.
our county, our state as
various, answeried ways or
different positions they require
should be residents of our city.
as someone e mealing me today in
support of the ordinance.
they said if you're making
decisions that amount to
spending millions of dollars of
our communities dollars you
ought to have an investment.
it makes you they think what
you're doing much more.
I brought this forward for the
commission's consideration.
obviously I made it all
inclusive.
this commission can weight in as
to whether it wants to support
it, not support it, support it
in some form or another.
I kind of put this on here.
the backups are there.
>> assistant deputy mayor.
>> I understand where you're
coming from.
it makes sense.
based on the variance here I
think the chief is doing a great
job.
I will give you an example --
there are a couple who live in
the city and some that don't.
I feel they're doing a
phenomenal job.
I don't know if I would like to
fully support that.
that is my opinion.
>> mr. Scuotto.
>> the mayor would like to speak
as well.
>> I will get him next.
>> I don't have a, the city
clerk, I mean not that she's on
an essential worker.
I think if she didn't live in
the city it's not detriment to
us.
kim, not to say the same I could
understand if the people who --
not to say you're not working
every day.
if something would fire we have
something major, destruction, a
fire, whatever a gas leak or
whatever yes we want the police
or the fire chief to be close to
us.
the hurricane issues and stuff
like that.
it's nice to know they are
there.
police chief.
those and the city manager.
to me those three -- I'm saying
if you ask for a conscience.
>> no I totally.
I didn't want to leave anyone
out.
at the same time I'm prepared to
hear from you what is more
important.
>> you brought it up.
I -- if you asked me personally
I would say the city clerk and
the city attorney I wouldn't,
yes I would love every charter
officer to live in the city the
same way the city commission
have to live in the city of
sunrise.
years ago when we had contracts
for police and for general
employees we made it in the
beginning that if you wanted a
take home car I had to live in
the city of sunrise.
if you're a police officer and
wanted a take home car you had
to live in the city of sunrise.
if you lived outside you didn't
get a take home car.
>> you should if back there.
>> no, I'm saying.
general employees we said if
you're a call out.
a person in utility where if the
pipe breaks you're the person
that is the call out and you
live outside of the city you are
able to have a take home car.
if you live outside of the city
and there is a main break and
it's your weekend to work it's
okay to have.
I am saying we did things kind
of like that.
so my personal would be the city
manager should, I know, if he's
running the city of a thousand
plus employees and to deal with
us five I mean then the police
chief and fire chief.
efplts I didn't think it was
right to write it and make the
decision.
>> no, no.
emit at the same time.
>> if you're trying to get a
conscience.
>> yes.
>> it would be nice if they all
lived in the city.
if we broke it down that would
be my breakdown.
>> if it's the will of the
commission, I would agree but I
wouldn't want to change it now
for the people here.
I'm saying, just saying I
wouldn't want to change that.
I don't think that it in anyway
limits the person that is in our
infrastructure of the city that
wants to move up because they
live outside of the city doesn't
mean they wouldn't get that job.
>> it means after they get the
job --
>> it would be within a certain
time frame.
>> 160 days.
1 months.
the reason I put 6 months.
>> right now the market would be
you can buy a house that fast.
[inaudible]
>> no I'm it willing you why I
chose that six months.
assume someone took the job --
[inaudible]
>>like we did.
>> I think it's reasonable to
buy or rent.
I think 180 days gives you the
opportunity one or the other.
I thought about the school board
where people say --
>> huh-uh.
>> I wanted to make sure someone
was certificate toying they
lived here.
I have heard it with schools.
state legislatures.
>> commissioners.
>> they say -- they don't live
there.
I don't want --
>> yes,.
>> if you're making these major
decisions that affect peoples
lives I think you should have --
if you don't foal like you can
live in sunrise.
>> allen lived in new york.
when al not took the job in
sunrise he purchased his house
in sunrise.
>> I'm saying if you don't think
our community is good enough to
live in, it shouldn't be good
enough for to you make your
money.
>> that is not --
>> -- to the greater.
[inaudible]
>> before, mayor ryan.
>> yes, first of all I want to
clarify.
this is not up for first
reading.
this has been drafted.
the debate or discussion is
whether to put it on for first
reading, correct?
>> it is on for first reading.
>> alright so a couple of
issues.
one, this needs to be opened up
for a public hearing on this
matter if it's on for a first
reading.
>> second I want to thank ms. K.
for drafting this ordinance with
first detail.
first time hearing this as an
issue.
it does appear you took a lot of
time to put this together.
looking at the legal issues that
needed to be vetted from a
constitutional and statutory
framework.
I appreciate it.
this has been put on for a first
reading opposed to commission
discussion.
I know you took it seriously.
I don't support this item.
I don't see this has been
historical.
I understand the sincer and
honest feelings of the sponsor
of this ordinance.
I don't take issue with the
basis of this.
I haven't seen this as a disease
we need to cure.
I think that I will use john
brooks as a perfect example.
he didn't live in sunrise.
I don't think any of us who had
the opportunity and honor to
work with chief brooks would say
he ever felt that sunrise was
not his priority.
-- assuming the positions about
their own dedication and
commitment to the city.
there could most certainly be
employees coming through the
ranks who haven't lived in
sunrise but live in the
neighboring towns and have their
investments and life there but
have lead the city for
commitment at a work level that
they wouldn't be eligible to
sell a home or rent.
really, you know not necessarily
a game that is intended.
what is the purpose of renting
in sunrise to prove they should
be the charter officer, police
chief or city clerk.
appreciate the effort that was
put into this.
I haven't reviewed all of the
case law or anything.
I accept the clauses and believe
this is something the commission
decides to pass they could stand
up.
I think the commission can test
any applicant coming forward.
I won't support this tonight.
I won't support this in a
compromised way.
I have seen, each charter
officer living in this city or
not I have never had a doubt
that they were fully committed
to the city and in fact we have
had some living here and we
doubted if they were the
appropriate person.
so, I jut don't find this to be
necessary nowhere do I think it
strength nots pezly the
governance.
I understand the honest and
sincere philosophy behind it.
>> assistant deputy mayor.
>> yes.
I feel we would miss out on
having a good candidate versus
someone living in the city
qualifying.
it's a good idea.
I don't agree or think it's the
greatest.
>> I don't believe this ties in.
it could open up with gaming.
someone who has a family they
don't want to move.
they have a house on the beach.
they will say their home address
is their sisters or rent a one
bedroom apartment and not live
there to get around.
I think this can be addressed
were we choose to hire a
contract part of this.
I don't see it as a ordinance
requirement.
I think it weighs if we choose
to hire a particular charter
officer.
obviously when I had discussions
with chief rosa when he became
our police chief and lived in
palm beach I had concerns that
if there was a shooting, brooks
was this in five minutes.
chief rosa committed voluntarily
to relocate, him and his family
to sunrise, to do that and be
there.
that's what I would look for in
a police chief.
I don't know where ms. K. Lives.
if she had a nice house on the
beach I could understand why she
wouldn't want to sell her house
and come and live in sunrise.
I think she would do just as
good of a job living on the
beach as in sunrise.
I don't see this as an ordinance
type thing.
for all of our charter officers.
I do agree with commissioner
scuotto and douglas that the
fire chief and the chief of
police and quite frankly our
city manager should all reside
as close as possible if not in
sunrise.
for city attorney and our city
clerk, I don't see the need.
they're not responding to public
records request at 2:00 in the
mortgage.
the courthouse is not open at
9:00.
for me I wouldn't support this
as an ordinance.
I definitely champion the cause
for the hiring decisions for our
city manager or police chief.
any other comments.
>> nothing else to be said.
>> point of order, deputy
mayor --
[inaudible]
>> point of order --
[inaudible]
>> I will get my pound of fleshy
eventually.
rest assured.
>> point of order.
point of order.
>> I'm sorry.
>> everyone knows I always get
my pound of flesh.
>> mayor ryan, go ahead.
>> of course this is a well
sponsored and well thought out
ordinance.
this doesn't reflect anything
negative on commissioner --
>> mayor you don't have to rub
my back.
I get it I raised it.
[inaudible]
>> I thank you for drafting
this.
I saw the mayor harped on miss
k. And the hard work she did.
I don't want anyone to under
mind each commissioner has the
opportunity to bring a ordinance
forward.
I don't know if there was an
under tone it was an ordinance
without a discussion.
>> I can respond to that.
commissioner douglas.
[inaudible]
>> I don't think we need to --
we have k. Vote something up.
vote it down.
I don't want the message to go
if you foal it's something you
need to bring forward reject it
the public space.
you know --
>> I don't think that is
happening.
I think the backup and agenda is
what needs to be done.
at least I had an idea where you
were going today.
I'm not knocking commissioner
scuotto with license plate
readers.
I had no idea where that was
going today.
I do appreciate effort and work
that went onto getting this so
we -- I don't think anyone was
knocking it.
>> I wasn't knocking it I was a
firming that the authority we v
there have been comments made
about whether I brought
something forward or someone
else brought something forward
and this were concerns about
utilizing city attorney
resources on something that was
controversial without first
raising it.
I don't take that position.
I support you bringing this
forward.
I wanted to thank ms. K.
this is an important discussion.
there is the point this is the
first reading and we have to
have a public hearing.
>> anymore discussion before the
public hearing?
this is a public hearing anyone
wishing to weight in on this
item please step forward.
no one is stepping forward in
the galley.
tory, anyone on-line to talk
about this?
>> no hands raised.
>> I will close the public
hearing part of this.
a vote required?
>> this was a motion and a
second.
yes, a vote.
>> let's call the question.
>> there was no motion.
I thought there was.
>> this wasn't.
>> they just went into
discussion.
I don't have a motion or a
second.
>> a motion.
>> motion by commissioner
scuotto.
>> second my assistant deputy
mayor.
>> reopen public hearing.
anyone wishing to comment on
this item?
nobody stepping forward.
I will close public hearing.
tory anyone on the line to
comment on this item?
>> no deputy mayor, nobody has a
hand raised.
>> nobody has a hand raised.
I will close public hearing.
anyone among us wish to
reiterate any comments.
I will incorporate the comments.
able to call the question now.
>> I think so.
>> yes, sir.
>> thank you.
call the question place.
>> commissioner scuotto.
>> yes.
>> commissioner douglas.
>> yes.
>> assistant deputy mayor.
>> yes,.
>> you're voting to approve or
pass this.
>> I'm sorry, no.
I'm against it.
my apologies.
thank you for stopping me.
>> deputy mayor.
>> no.
>> mayor ryan.
>> no.
>> item fails 3-2
>> new business c.
sports programs.
commission discussion and or
action regarding city of sunrise
sports programs in the leisure
services department.
assistant deputy mayor jacquelyn
a.guzman.
>> I have been in the sports
program here since 2012.
since then the last pugh years I
have seen a concern with the
volunteers we have, for coaches.
that goes for every sport.
basketball, football, flag,
soccer.
so, I just pretty much wanted to
see if and how we can address
the recruitment for coaches.
the coaches I have seen the last
few years they're either not
trained, experience.
I understand you have to start
somewhere.
just the culture of being
disrespectful.
cursing in front of our
children, our teams.
I get it they hear it I don't
think it's a good representation
of our city knowing we have high
standards to our own staff.
I hope we can address the
situations moving forward.
w edesperately need it.
>> mr. Lubelski ahead.
>> thank you.
I have spoken with the assistant
deputy mayor with this.
we have rules and regulations
from a coaching stand point.
I have talked with staff.
I think there are opportunities
for improvement in training our
volunteers and making sure that
we make our rules and
regulations very clear to them.
providing the tools necessary to
be successful.
one of the things we're looking
at is potentially developing a
inhouse video more mandatory
training.
I think there is a clearly an
opportunity.
we look forward to making
improvements.
>> I want to first thank the
coaches who are coaching,
they're parents.
there are not coaches.
there are kids.
when I grew up coaches coached
because their kids moved on.
here we're a working city most
of the parents men and women who
coach have a kid on the team.
a lot of times they're not even
a real coach.
they're just a parent.
most of the time we don't have
enough parents to coach.
we're always trying to recruit
so, that is where the training
comes in.
they're not actually a coach
they're a parent.
so, they may come off a
different then maybe a coach who
did have the training.
>> I don't agree with you there.
I have volunteered as a coach
for years.
I don't have the experience.
I know that. I'm open to
suggestions and training.
>> if that was available I'm
happy to learn.
however up don't have to be a
experienced coach to be
respectful and mindful of the
children you're coaching.
as a parent having respect for
who you deal with on a daily
basis, communication, cursing,
being disrespectful.
you don't have to -- it doesn't
matter if you're a parent or
not.
I'm thankful for the coaches now
there.
are some that are not having
children on the team.
I know this personally.
they're coaching which is great.
it's not always the case.
>> I am saying it's f. The
parent is disrespectful parent .
so let's have a video, do
training.
>> obviously.
>> I'm agreeing with you.
they're mostly parents that are
coaching.
that's what I'm saying.
so a lost them don't go through
the training because we end up
having years ago we would have
20 teams never had enough
coaches to coach.
at least now we have enough, we
barley have enough teams.
we have enough parents.
it went from one extreme to the
other.
I coached here for years for my
niece christina for softball and
everything.
so I know, then again you have
parents that are just -- think
it's a major league baseball
game or major league soccer game
and get so into it.
you know they get.
they do.
I mean, alis places soccer,
football -- in the last two or
three years I haven't seen many
of the coaches be that crazy.
you mainly see a lost parents
that run their mouths more to
the referees than the actual
coach.
sometimes you have a very
aggressive coach.
we saw that when we played
plantation.
man station coaches were
structured to win every game.
where you know the coachs in
sunrise were like from the
60s, free spirited, have fun.
I'm just saying sometimes you
have that.
I agree.
the training is most important.
let's go further to the sports
program.
we hay million training
facilities and people who came
here to come and help the kids.
to do the little cams and prep
our kids.
you know.
>> you have a kid playing rec
with a little talent the travel
team comes and takes the kitted
and tells the parent don't pay
$75 to the city for the year.
pay me a hundred tkharz a month,
I will teach your kid.
it turned no a major business.
we see that with soccer.
we had a great soccer program.
now they just split.
14u, 1u that eastbound the mayor
coached they split.
now you have the sunrise sharks,
sunrise sing.
you get the calls.
I don't have a field.
I need a field.
they call the team sunrise.
mean while they play all games
in weston, right.
serious, right now.
you know.
they play all of the games in
weston.
their name is sunrise.
none of the kids from sunrise
but they want to use our field.
listen, even if it's one kid on
the team, he's still a sunrise
kid we want to help them.
then we have the sunrise theme
who promoted sunrise who
really -- I was against the
astro turf.
the mayor was for astro turf.
I use to do my own polling up
here.
neil busted me one time.
I went down loot line and asked
every kid, turf or grass, turf
or grass, turf or grass.
we got to a point that we have a
great program.
we built a beautiful facility
for the kids to play on.
now the kids from weston want to
use our fields.
where is the balance.
you know.
these people are about money.
some of them.
not all of them.
then you have nasty coaches.
if someone is giving me a
hundred dollars a month I
wouldn't be nasty.
if I volunteer and make nothing
and my kids are losing every
game I'm nasty.
there is the training.
so the training and see what we
can do to help the kids with the
mini camps to help the girls
pitch this.
isn't enough girls times on the
team.
one girl pitches decent.
now they're trying to get
another girl to learn to pitch.
it's an art.
it's not something you pick up
over night.
we have to have little camps for
teaching the kids.
girls softball.
boys baseball.
we have beautiful facilities
with the pitching pounds and
everything that we begged for 20
years to get with the batting
cages let's use them and have
someone train our kids.
that's all I say.
>> commissioner douglas, do you
have anything on this one?
>> he's just nasty.
>> I wasn't a sports guy until
my son played football.
I have a soft spot.
any group dynamic I involve
myself I observe as much as I
can.
I did see that most parents are
doing it from a good faith
perspective.
running lines, being passionate.
most know their children won't
be super stars.
they get involved as coaches.
[inaudible]
>> would have never thought.
>> I have seen coaches pushing
my son a little hard.
you know I get passionate.
I understand that passion will
come with it I certainly think
though if we were to make it
mandatory, take training and so
on you won't necessarily --
>> they go through the
background check and all of
that.
>> sigh cases you don't have
people running the lines.
I never ran a line before.
I had to run a line.
there are times I remember
specifically with tackle this
were challenges with the
leadership and the parents
didn't want to participate.
it fell apart.
thank god it was salvaged.
I know you're passionate and
close to baseball thing.
mayor ryan has been involved
with so manier for sometime.
we all have, the rest of you
have had your own experiences
with sports.
I think we want to keep it
amateur and not force
requirements because you have a
lot of people that just have to
chip in.
like I was there.
I could of been considered a
coach at that point.
there weren't enough people to
run the lines.
I ran the lines.
if we have that as a requirement
then you know you would see a
challenge.
>> mayor ryan.
>> yes, thank you.
first of all thank you for
raising this.
I think it's always good for us
to reexamine our programs and
what is going on.
you have been out on the fields
this.
is what you see.
there it's real.
your feelings are rational.
I think it is an issue that from
time to time we have to revisit.
as was said I did soccer,
baseball, I have coached flag
football.
each have different
characteristics.
the coaches are different for a
variety of reasons.
I also think the parents are
different in each of those for a
variety of reasons.
it can be difficult to coach
baseball because the parents are
so close.
of course after a couple of
seasons as mentioned I think
every parent and every coach
thinks they can coach the
yankees or mets.
they know how to navigate all of
the complexities of it.
all that had said.
it's clear the commission
appreciates as does staff the
commitment of the volunteering.
they love the sport, they love
working with children.
that being said I don't think as
has been suggested, and kevin
would appreciate this I don't
think it would do much.
-- we have had to deal with
coaches more animated and maybe
inappropriate in terms of her
conduct and discussion point.
I thought that would be
replicated for the parents.
often times it can be quite
challenging for the coaches.
you have parents that are
inappropriate.
soccer instituted a rule that
was pretty strict.
there is no coaching from the
sidelines.
no yelling at the revs.
did you it was a potential
penalty.
it's hard as a parent.
the first few times I was on the
sidelines not coaching it's hard
to sit on your hands and not be
animated at the ref, coach or
simply the circumstances.
there is nothing wrong with
reminding everyone in the
programs when we expect from
them in terms of behavior.
we don't expect this is a
professional endeavor t-fpltz a
fun opportunity for those who
discover their own talents and
build confidence and
camaraderie.
I thank you for bringing this
forward.
a yee with all comments made.
the need to remind.
think staff can handle this
going forward.
I'm sure they would appreciate
they have the opportunity to
remind the coaches.
I will end with this most
leagues require a coach to go
through a orientation.
we had to do it for soccer every
year.
the rules never changed.
it was always the same.
not saying it's the most fun
meeting.
kevin and his staff always tried
to make it interesting whether
it was giving away balls for
practice or whatever.
there is nothing wrong with the
mandatory meetings.
thank you assistant deputy
mayor.
>> assistant deputy mayor
guzman.
>> I will say waterhill usually
has -- heat coming and
hurricanes and camps for the
weekends.
if we could do that I think it
would be good for city.
I wanted to bring up the point
from the mayor, if we're, you
know, I don't think requiring or
mandating they do this virtual
training of some sort.
I don't think it will push those
coach as way I think it will
make those parents appreciate
that we are trying to have a
positive culture in our city and
they are part of the program
too.
so hopefully we can wean out the
not so great coaches and bring
in better ones.
>> if I may deputy mayor to add
one point that was said, I noah
sis instant deputy mayor, you
have seen this.
we know who the coaches were,
perhaps walking as close to the
line in terms of how they
conduct themselves.
I think the coaches are doing
the right thing.
welcoming the opportunity to get
the same lectures so we don't
have to do it.
I agree with you.
>> I was a coach one time for
soccer.
I never played a game of socker
in my life.
my son was one of those team
that's didn't have a coach, it
was either I coached or no team.
so, I was forcefully
volunteered.
went out and had fun.
at the end of the day I realize
I didn't know what I was doing.
thank god youtube was around for
drills and explain some things
this.
is recreational sports.
amateurs, it's to have fun.
this needs to be a code of
conduct.
the cursing.
I'm supportive of a training
video.
this is what you don't do with a
parent yelling and screaming at
the referee.
this is what you don't do.
pro and con.
however you want to do it.
on our sports program as a
recreational level there needs
to be a minimum set of standards
where curses are not cursing and
yelling.
this is not, as everyone says
these kids maybe one out of all
recreational programs may make
it to a professional.
hopefully some will make college
and high school athletics.
I think that's where that comes
in.
the point of the programs are to
get the kids to try to explore,
see if it's something they want
to do.
not develop them into nfl, msl,
nba, that's someone else's job.
supportive of that.
any other discussion?
>> 17d.
ready to move forward.
city manager anual review.
commission discussion and or
action regarding of the annual
review and evaluation of the
city manager.
city manager mark lubelski.
>> if coy just --
>> go ahead.
>> yes, last year it was the
first time we did it.
[inaudible]
>> I was going to have them each
come up and do a evaluation and
then we give an evaluation.
does that fly with everyone.
nobody is saying no.
I guess we will proceed that
way.
mr. Lubelski the floor is yours
on your an actual review.
>> thank you.
city manager.
it's been a pleasure and honor
to serve as city manager over
the past year.
I am incredibly proud of the
work of the city commission,
city employees, residents,
businesses have accomplished
over the past year.
to adapt and respond to covid-19
pandemic, still maintaining
focus and long term goals of the
city.
although the city has many core
values embedded in the culture I
reinforce three pillars daily.
outstanding customer service,
transparently, collaboration
with all levels.
attached is a list of major
accomplishments of the last year
this.
is a test euplt of the city
commission and all employees
across the organization.
again I thank you for the
opportunity to serve the
commission, residents, city of
sunrise.
wasn't planning to go over each
item.
if the commissioners have
questions I'm available.
thank you, again.
>> thank you.
this memorandum is attached to
the agenda.
who wants to go first.
commissioner scuotto, thank you
for volunteering.
>> okay.
no problem.
>> where should I start.
it has been a privilege to work
with you.
over the last twenty years.
close to it anyways.
to give you that opportunity to
move up to the city manager,
supported as a 5-0.
so show me good skills, show me
your bad skills.
over the last year it is a
different time because when
richard was city manager when I
wanted to know something I
called you.
now since you're city manager I
want to hear about something I
call sean.
it's living kind of the same.
you have been very approachable.
I think you have done a she will
good job.
sometimes you -- you may miss a
couple of meetings.
you didn't give us all of the
information.
I think that's more or less the
learning curve.
you got beat up a little bit.
I guess that maybe taught you to
make sure you give us all of the
information you needed.
just sometimes you know -- I
don't know if it's just me but
we have ideas and we run them by
you.
we have suggestions, it's good
to rip thupgdz by you.
whether I bring it up at a meet
willing or just in general to
you.
to think of things, to hear your
feedback, to think if I should
bring it up or not.
whether it's a business we have
a issue or not a issue but the
way the davie thing came about
with the water and waste water.
I may of been hot for a moment.
going through it and thinking of
why you brought it up this way
or how you, you know said it
this way or what not, I think
it's a good understanding for
ups and downs.
that's the type of city manager,
some previous city managers
didn't have that.
you know it was like in one ear
and out the other.
some are more knowledgeable than
others.
some went on their own beaten
path.
I think you as a person, I think
you're a responsible person and
dedicated to the city.
I think you showed that in the
planning department.
think because we saw that or I
saw that I saw where you could
go.
you're not just institution al
knowledge of the city but of the
planning.
of where you want to see the
city.
maybe because you have that
planning background.
some people may of had a finance
back ground.
maybe they're a numbers person.
I think you having assistant
city managers you can have the
mix of a number person, vision
person, go-getter person.
so, I see that in your pick.
who you picked.
not only for assistants but who
you moved around in the city.
there are positions we need to
build.
I know it's not your fault we're
not filling them.
there are positions in other
cities think about moving to
sunrise.
you know maybe if they have ten
or fifteen years in another city
they're thinking twice.
do I want to go work for
sunrise.
you know we get people that come
down to the end.
your department, another
department.
then they go somewhere else.
it's frustrating.
we're at a important we get
people and then lose them.
so, over ale I just think your
communication skills with me are
good.
just making sure that not just
because we get to hire I it
should go down to every
department head.
everyone should be treated the
same exact way.
I'm sure you do that.
little things shouldn't fall
between the cracks.
you should know that going up.
just be more, you know not just
to the five of us.
because the other people that
are your directors, they can
hurt you just as much as the
commission could fire you.
because they could do things
that disrupt, you know a whole
department.
put you in a worst situation
because you may of picked that
person.
so it's just sometimes the
little things that get people.
we had that before.
so, I think you're deserving of
you know good rating from me.
so, that's all I have to say.
>> commissioner douglas.
>> I can't speak to too many
prior managers.
I can only speak to one prior.
I can say you're an improvement.
I will start with that.
you did outline in your feedback
to the commission some of the
different target areas that you
focused on over past year that
we have chosen you to lead the
organization as our chief
executive.
you know we can't talk about
anything without mentioning
covid and the paeupl pact on our
community and our city.
I think our staff has done a
tremendous effort holding it
together.
as the leader I have to give you
credit how you managed your
staff.
your levels have been delivered
during a crisis in our
community.
so, the over all management of
the covid situation in our
community I have to commend your
leadership and how you marshaled
your troops in insuring the
service delivery and structure
continued to function.
we have had many, many
concerning moments.
with respect to how covid
impacted our community none of
us had experience dealing with
such a crisis.
we are here today not out of the
woods in terms of how it's
affecting our community but
certainly we would of managed
through a significant period of
the affect on our community and
so far we have been able to
shuts tane our service deliver.
I harp en on service delivery.
that's what we are, a service
delivery organization.
more so than anything else.
a compassion center or the
programs, when this commission
expressed it's desire to give
you -- you brought various
scenarios forward.
some instances we didn't agree
as to how it should be
structured.
you came back with alternatives
and so on.
so, I commend you for that
responsiveness to make hardcore
decisions on moving forward.
marshaled by the staff, part of
the credit goes to the police.
for the community, food
distribution program.
I think sunrise even though it
was really a regional thing
because many from surrounding
communities ben knitted.
I think we were a leader in how
we made it happen.
how we road it out.
we sustained it longer than most
other communities.
whether you pitched staff to one
area or the next you were able
to get your staff to be flexible
in that regard.
the drive-thru christmas stuff.
the fact is whatever people had
got not use to we brought an
alternative that was as close as
we could get to.
-- you get the credit.
transparency is a hell of a
thing.
if you don't know you don't
know.
if you don't tell me something.
a challenge I had with your
predecessor, I don't know -- was
I feel like I had to know the
right questions to ask.
it was like, it was like almost
like pulling teeth.
then when you know obviously you
guys are trained not to lie if
you're asked a direct question.
you know after quite a few
direct questions why the hell
didn't you tell me this before.
why did I have to needle into
you to get it out.
I won't say it hasn't happened
here.
would I chalk it up to a good
faith, I don't think you wanted
to know or I miss it thed.
whether you have been, it's hard
to tell in the structure that we
have with sunshine whether you
have told neil one thing and
told me something else or pitch
it differently to joey or what
not.
you know it's a commitment that
you have made and we expect you
to build on it
so, I can't, I have a pretty
good level of communication with
you.
I also know how to ask
questions.
we speak frankly on issues that
are a concern to me, initiatives
that were of importance to me,
we have been able to talk freely
about them.
you have been responsive to me
as one of your bosses.
so, from that perspective I
would say mostly satisfied.
on the employee side of things
in terms of initiatives
especially based on how it's
outlined here I have to commend
you.
everybody knows about my
challenges with performance
appraisals in the past.
I see here you have spoken to
performance evaluation training
for supervisors.
one of the comments or
criticisms that I previously
made was that I felt at the time
our performance appraisal
structure was used as a reward
and punishment mechanism and a
lack of consistency across
functional areas in terms of how
people evaluated their, their
subordinates.
I presume even though I will
probably ask you for some
further feedback on how this has
improved our systems.
for you to have taken this
forward and provided the
training to your supervisors is
obviously a responsive message
to what we had in that area.
to create a cons sis tent see
across the organization not only
in terms of the need to do it
but the goal of doing it.
the need to do it timely.
so, I commend you for that.
interview and slicks.
we have talked about, you
know -- not knocking engineers
but I will use one as an
example.
you may be a great one.
engineer is technical based
thing.
we have quite a few in the
organization.
you maybe a cop or whatever.
because of that capacity that
you have you end up in a
supervisor roll or big boss
roll.
you have never been trained --
[inaudible]
so you may have someone very
instrumental in selection and
training or interviewing or they
were not trained on how to do
it.
otherwise even given some basic
framework how do it fairly and
appropriately.
I see here again you indicated
that you developed -- training
for supervisors.
you know those of us listening.
I know you all are.
you have heard me comment about
a lack of diversity in the
organization at a certain point
in time.
I think part of that may of been
a weakness in this area in terms
of interview and selection.
because people may of used more
subjective basis for
interviewing and selecting
candidates.
more so than any deliberate
attempt to be, to create some
sort of a intentional bias
related decision.
so, these are all things I think
that strengthen the organization
and the structure of the
organization.
I commend you on those
initiatives.
grants.
you know some of these just
flowed.
we are always happy to get
money.
certainly we're always happy
when staff brings different
grant opportunities forward even
when we are not thing about it.
on the capitol project side I
don't know.
we have had some successes.
we have had some failures.
two big failures -- park and of
course currently we're kind of
hung up with the veterans park.
I don't know how much of to
blame on staff or not.
I know obviously the contractor
has the bulk of the blame here.
but I don't know whether there
was anything better we could of
done in terms of how we held
that contractor, managed the
contractor or held him to task
through various faces of the
project.
-- some of what has happened
here.
that is water under the bridge.
I can tell you that. We all have
learned from our failures in
this area.
I will be the first to take some
of it.
I will pass some of it down the
line.
really, really -- this one is
one that really I feel I haven't
done as much as I could to get
these projects completed on
time, on budget.
really holding the contractor to
the requirements of the
contract.
I know you will fix it
you will get it fixed.
generally I think you know
obviously you have had the
learning curve being assistant
city manager.
that gave you the opportunity to
be more responsive as second in
command as my colleague pointed
out.
now you're the head cook and
bottle washer you we don't have
as much time to get into the
weeds.
obviously there is a learning
curve.
I think you have done well as
our city manager especially in a
very challenging year.
I look forward to continuing to
work with you in the period that
I have left in my tenure which
is the only one I have three
years.
god willing my health holds and
I'm still alive.
I look forward to your continued
growth in the position and your
leadership in helping to
strengthen the city and delivery
of service that's we're here to
do.
>> thank you commissioner
douglas.
assistant deputy mayor guzman.
>> we have known each other for
eight or nine months.
when I first came in you know
there was some tension there.
you getting to know me.
me getting to know you.
I mentioned transparency being a
big thing.
I'm completely open and honest.
I expect that in return.
like commissioner douglas
mentioned sometimes you have to
ask the right questions to get
the answers.
sometimes I felt I was pulling
teeth at times.
I think at this point we have
come to that mutual relationship
where we understand where we're
both going with certain things.
I feel much better talking to
you than I did in the beginning.
the short year you have been in
this particular roll, if anyone
at home is reading this,
everything you have here is
pretty impressive.
thank you for dealing with
covid.
I will point out a few things
that have been mentioned.
I felt we lacked some
information and I was
disappointed there.
I am sure you know moving
forward to be ready next time.
something I have noticed that I
would like to see a little more
from you alike the e-mails.
I'm an e-mail person.
I send e-mails 24/7.
I know sometimes it's
overwhelming because you get so
many.
I totally understand that.
sometimes I do wish I did get
some response.
I don't know if there is a way
to get someone help you manage
your e-mails.
I'm sure you're bombarded with
those.
I wanted to add I know what I
did for start you put together
an employee performance or
survey of some sort.
that's how you decided to move
forward with the employee
initiative.
my question was, I mean I just
wanted to know if there is a way
to obtain those particular
comments and copies from each
staff member that you guys
collected, some how.
so we have a better understand
on what is going on as an
employee behind the scenes.
a lot of times they're kind of
scared to come forward.
if there is a situation
regarding the department or
staff, colleagues, supervisors,
directors.
so I want, you know if we do a
survey in the future I want them
to know that we as a commission
are looking at it and are being
responsive to it, if need be.
if not just going into an
on-line survey and nobody is
looking.
I think what we got from that is
79% were all happy.
the other percent are medium.
I want to get more details on
those particular, you know other
percentages that are not so
happy.
there are a couple of more
things.
I think that's pretty much it.
just thank you.
I'm looking forward to my,
hopefully more terms here and
being with you and your team.
they're a big part of that,
thank you to them as well.
for the most part thank you for
everything you have done.
right.
>> alright.
>> thank you, deputy mayor.
mark, part what had we're doing
here tonight is not only talking
to you but we're also talking to
the community.
equally important talking to
your staff.
because of the time, we still
have other reviews to do
tonight.
I will truncate and adopt a lot
of comments already made.
I thank you for the outline of
accomplishments as well as
suggestions in areas that you
know we need to, as a city, look
at in the future.
on a personal level I want to
thank you for your honesty and
transparency.
your willingness to challenge
ideas and do it in a way that is
always based upon the facts and
the best interest of the city.
it's hard to translate that into
a review.
I think my colleagues have at
various times commented the same
way.
they appreciate your honesty.
it's something that is not
identified as a bullet point in
what you provided as backup.
it's so incredibly important as
each of us navigate, not only
the issues for sunrise but we
each have some roll and regional
issues and your advice and
experience, relationships
throughout the county are
incredibly important.
in short I'm a hundred percent
supportive in you mark, in all
you have done for us.
I feel blessed you're our city
manager through this difficult
time.
we have had some very tough
conversations about how to
handle covid.
it's not something that there is
a play book.
you have had to work through
this in a challenging way.
I appreciate that as I'm sure my
colleagues do.
that you're always there to
provide honest and complete
discussion addressing each of my
points and then trying to adopt
the best policies for city.
thank you for your commitment to
the city.
I look forward to working with
you directly over the next year.
>> thank you, mayor.
I think when we first met you
were the community development
director.
then assistant city manager.
now city manager for the last 18
months, 17 months.
>> since july.
>> july, okay.
I echo a lot of my colleagues
comments tonight.
I had a opportunity to review
the city memorandum and the
budget to see how that's
structured and organized this
year.
e-mails.
I get a lot of e-mails from you.
the action line reporting that I
think is instrumental over the
last year as well as the change
order tracking reports.
I really appreciate that.
it's hard to keep everything on
your mind.
I have to look and see what
you're tracking.
all of this demonstrates your
achievements as city manager
last year and this year.
with your respect to decision
making and judgements I feel you
demonstrate analysis for
progress, opportunities, and
needs and changes for sunrise
and the city organization.
your advice and guidance to me
has been instrumental in my
decision making.
I believe your guidance and
decision making has been
instrumental to the city success
this year.
with respect to your personal
development I find that you
recruit and retain a diverse
staff.
I think the addition of sean and
other executive management
personnel to the city manager
office and leadership team has
been instrumental to our success
as well.
I don't think we would of had
the same success without those
team members being present.
although I'm giving you the
review, I am reviewing your
executive management team.
I think you do have a great
executive management team to
continue making you successful.
I hope these words carry down to
them.
the reporting as I said, over
our last city manager I almost
felt like everything was a choke
point.
where it would go to him.
he would have the ultimate say
and nothing else would get out.
I feel with your management,
leadership style I can get an
e-mail from sean or emily or tim
or kevin.
I almost feel there is a
delegation.
that you truly trust your staff
members and the reporting and
quality of reporting over the
last year has greatly increased.
I think that demonstrates your
trust in your staff and making
sure our organization is
successful.
I congratulate you on that.
I think that's the proper
leadership style in this day of
age for our organization.
I think that's reflected
throughout all of our charter
officers as we will address them
later on.
I think your planning and
organizing skills are very good.
I think you work well with the
commission and executive
management team.
I think you are developing
strategies constantly to achieve
the city goals.
most fiscally and financially.
I'm happy you presented a
structured balanced budget this
year.
I am amazed with your covid
pandemic response initiatives.
I think that's been instrumental
for us and our community as a
whole.
your interpersonal skills, I
think you continue to build
respect throughout our
organization.
I know when we hired you
everyone was happy I think you
raised the row file for the city
of sunrise.
I find you work well with your
staff.
finance committee, charter
officer commission, preparing
the budgets, monitoring,
initiating changes like the
covid pandemic we had to go
through.
I do find your interpersonal
skills very well.
I feel you have kept me fully
informed in a time leeway.
the important factors.
this is evidence from the
numerous e-mails and phone calls
that which have.
I feel you have provided me
support and back up for
ordinances, resolutions,
economic development, long term
community planning,
infrastructure improvements and
personal issues with the
organization.
I do believe you represent the
city well to it's constituents,
government agencies, other
elected officials and the
general public.
we have recognized our
commission, our commission
recognizes you and our staff.
I'm sure that trend will
continue.
I like when you push back.
I don't want someone sitting if
the chair that will just let
people walk over them.
I have seen you force on issues
up here and you maintain your
ground.
I do respect that.
I hope that continues.
I like when you say you're
transparent as we were in the
residents leadership academy the
other day it was easy to talk
about our successes.
part of transparency is
recognizing our failures.
it's at times hard to do.
it's our job to recognize that,
learn from that and move on.
I think that's an admirable
quality to have.
I think more people learn twice
as much from failures than any
successes.
as we move forward I'm confident
in your ability to lead our
organization.
I am also confident you will
assure adequate control and
funding with maintaining sound
financial practices through our
organization.
as evidence tonight.
is there something we ask do.
as much as everyone would like
to get involved in that ish a
that was the right call, right
judgment.
I do believe you're doing a very
good job for the time you have
been here.
I look forward to working with
you.
wish you continued success.
I do find your review favorable.
thank you.
anyone else?
>> I just want to add one more
thing.
I want to say thank you.
there have been times I call you
considering resident concerns,
you have been pretty responsive.
I appreciate that. You're on top
of that.
thank you.
>> so now that we have done the
performance review is there an
issue on whether there is merit
increase or payment, is that
something we address this
evening?
how is the commission doing
this?
>> is that somewhere here in the
packet?
(lost audio)
>> page --
>> I don't have the benefit of a
book.
you see what it looks like.
the agenda item.
>> 16.
>> 17d.
>> background --
>> I found it
>> okay 2.5% is the standard
step.
I don't want to weight in what
he deserves.
I think at this stage with all
going on I wouldn't want to go
beyond that.
so, you know, I would propose a
2.5% merit increase.
obviously everyone gets -- and
what not.
as it relates to the merit
performance review I would I
would propose one step.
>> one step.
>> second.
>> commissioner scuotto.
>> I agree.
>> assistant deputy mayor.
>> third that.
>> mayor ryan.
>> I support.
>> I won't get in your way, sir.
congratulations.
>> thank you, very much.
I look forward working with the
commission moving forward.
I want to thank the header ship
team and support.
none of this happens without
their work.
>> good job.
>> alright next one.
>> -- two minute.
>> let's, we have been going at
it for 2: 15.
let's take a fine minute recess
and reset.
>> video guys, ready?
ms. Bravo, ready.
>> yes, cementer.
>> we will reconvene the
meeting.
give the thumbs up to the video
guys.
we're on 17e.
ms. Kisslan the floor is yours.
>> thank you.
I will read my significants line
by line.
no.
attached to the agenda is my
summary of significant
activities during my last
performance year july 1 through
june 30.
I provide you regular monthly
reports.
I also provide you an annual
august report that is required
by our code.
then at the end of each fiscal
year I provide you a fiscal year
over view.
additionally each and every
agenda you see work product from
my office and have the
opportunity to see what we have
been working on.
some of the things this past
year we worked on included the
40,350,000-dollar special
obligation bonds for the
municipal complex issue.
big issue and important to the
city.
we worked on a number of items
regarding covid-19.
some of which you already went
over with mr. Lubelski.
we selected a new fire chief.
as a charter officer we worked
on windsor, sunrise golf and
country club regarding the
city's first community district.
we are working on metropic and
creating a district.
you touched on the daily utility
evaluation.
in the interest of time I won't
go over this in any further
detail.
if there is anything that the
commission would like to have
more information on I'm here.
>> thank you, miss kisslan.
thank you mr. Scuotto for
volunteering.
>> no problem.
kim, you're the behind the
scenes person.
we talking about everything that
is going on physical or things
that you can see, with mark.
what you do is the like the
wizard of oz.
you're behind the scenes and you
make our job so much easier.
nobody would even know all of
the information, the back up,
the ordinance, the resolutions,
the time it takes you and such a
small staff.
for the amount of work that is
done for city manager's office,
for all of the department heads,
for anything that we pretty much
do in the city, all of the
developments, metropica.
the contracts and awful that.
the sawgrass mill stuff.
anything development, the
contracts, anything that we
purchase.
you pretty much have your hands
in every single thing that goes
on in the city.
no one would even really realize
what and how much you touch
before it even comes to, to
anybody.
the amount of people that you
work with.
you have been short staffed for,
you know how many times -- I
find someone or the time that it
takes you to weed out people to
finally get the person you feel
you can work as a team.
then now again, I hope you know
the person that you selected is
should not that is going to be
there like tom.
I mean together both of you.
you know you work together as a
great team.
he has his skills.
he deals with police.
a lot of the other things.
he deals with the towing.
I'm sure your hands are in all
of it.
this isn't much to say as far as
what you don't do to help us
make the right decisions.
when there is a time I know I'm
in the middle of a different
thing and we need to call you as
far as ethics or anything you're
always there to protect us.
I have been up here for 25
years.
in the time you have been here I
don't think there was a time I
voted on a item that I question
I'm voting on something because
I didn't feel comfortable with
the wording you put in or staff
put in.
that I didn't catch.
that got by you and we voted on
something putting us in a bad
situation.
that has never happened.
I recall when you worked with a
previous lawyer, getting a
contract for sunrise all they
did was praise you and want to
hire you.
from that point when we picked
you, we knew you were the person
for the city.
you knew -- I felt comfortable
you were going to make the right
decisions for us.
you're a hard worker.
I don't e-mail.
I don't text.
I wouldn't have to write a short
story and you give me a one word
answer.
kim is very short and to the
point.
me I will ramble on for an hour.
if I call kim for something.
>> not tonight.
>> I'm saying.
she is specific.
she knows, she is very detailed.
this is the answer.
I am like, well.
she says, no that's the answer.
I like that you're to the point.
it makes it easier for us.
specially for me to make a
decision.
I have no problem working with
you.
the staff is great.
for the amount of people you
have in the office, the boat
load of work that you get is --
I couldn't even say all that you
and your staff does.
couldn't see any department head
has information to give to
everybody.
even the people with contracts
and fill out -- I never get any
input from nip that says you're
the city attorney putting in the
wrong information.
that is why it has never come
before me.
I haven't seen it come before
anyone.
I thank you for your service.
I don't think you should live in
the city of sunrise.
I don't want you to move.
thank you.
we appreciate all that you and
your staff does.
I am more than welcomed to give
you a favorable review.
>> commissioner douglas.
>> thank you.
>> you're welcome.
>> according to commissioner
scuotto lawyers are the best
thing since sliced bread.
>> hey.
>> alright.
ms. Kisslan I don't often echo
commissioner scuotto I will to
some extent tonight.
I believe you're one of the best
municipal attorneys that I know
of.
he's correct about the fact that
you touch on pretty much
everything.
we have four charters.
police are kind of functionally,
they do their thing.
they have a lot of issues that
are legal.
even though we have a bunch of
outside council that are, deal
with our specialty areas you
still manage and supervise their
input.
I rely on your monthly activity
report.
a lot of times for what is going
on in the city.
I read it and I'm like what is
this.
I read kim's report.
she said she is working on this
thing.
what is this thing.
so, I knew keeping them honest.
I know you're just going to put
it in the report.
I was working on this.
often there is a good and
reasonable explanation to what
it was, but it helps to
preinform me.
it's living I can't believe kim
put that in the report.
I wasn't ready to discuss it
with the commission yet.
I do have a significant level of
comfort knowing that you are
reviewing the items coming
before the commission.
the transactions that we're
engaged in.
certainly as a lawyer myself I
think it gives me an advantage
in terms of us communicating.
being able to understand your
explanation.
that's an advantage I take to
the table.
I think the people of this city,
you know, what you do is way
above, you know, this is
specialty law.
land use and all of these
things.
being able to answer in most
cases.
most cases I can recall where
there was a need for a response,
a question, you have generally
been able to respond or say I
have to look into that.
which is fine with me.
I don't want a speculative
response or one that is
grounded, in I think that's what
they want to hear.
I want to hear what the real
deal is.
so from the perspective of
legally sufficient I am
generally always comfortable.
if I have any doubts about
something I will pick up the
phone and call.
I tend to prefer calling unless
there is a reason I feel I
should e-mail.
in most cases I pick up the
phone to call.
you know there isn't a whole
much lot else to say.
again I echo him, my colleague,
not him but commissioner
scuotto.
you have been around for a long
time.
-- much more experience with the
output of your office.
as it's been pointed out you
have consistently work in
protecting city's interest,
guiding the commission.
I have often said I'm generally
a liberal.
in my attorney I want
conservatism.
I would rather you air on the
side of conservatism in the
opinions you give.
I think you have demonstrated
you're in the business to
protect the cities interest and
what we he gauge in is
aboveboard and defensible both
from a legal perspective and
certainly a professional
perspective.
I appreciate the guidance and
work that you do over all.
>> thank you.
>> assistant deputy mayor
guzman.
>> hi, hello.
again in my short time being
here I appreciate your
knowledge.
you're extremely professional.
I'm thankful poor you as a woman
being in the position you are.
I thank you for always being
available for ethics questions.
you're right on top of it.
black and white, you're so
precise with it.
like you said it's not what we
want to hear.
you say it like it is.
I appreciate you being honest
about what we have spoken about.
I look forward to continuing my
relationship with you and coming
to you more I haven't needed too
as much.
I will soon.
thank you again for what you do
here.
thank you.
>> thank you.
>> mayor ryan.
>> thank you.
ms. Kisslan, you know I'm an
enormous fan of your talents.
commissioner scuotto remembers
the difficult time after I came
on and decisions had to be made
about who to hire.
the first --
[inaudible]
-- who to hire from there.
while that's not relevant to
your past year's review I say it
only that I think one of the
best decisions the commission
made was picking you as our city
attorney.
over the last decade you have
never disappointed us in any
regard.
we may not always like what we
hear that is the nature of
getting legal advice from any
lawyer.
over the past year you have had
to deal with tremendous
uncertain times.
even some bold decisions that
this mission decided to make in
advance of the state and other
sit he's.
that bore some risk in terms of
potential litigation.
you understood that the
commission's had a policy,
commitment, focus.
you were able to craft a
strategy that was defensible.
in the end we know these were
the right decisions.
-- my colleagues.
your outline of accomplishments
does not even come close to
fully highlighting what you do
and what you and your staff do.
you have a unique position in so
far as you ultimately are
reviewing much of what the other
departments do at one level or
another.
that means at times are you
going to give advice to mark or
other departments that may not
want to hear.
you may raise issues about the
timing when things are brought
to the commission or extra work
on your staff.
you and your staff are
confidentially professional.
you have the best interest of
the city at heart and the
personnel development has been
spectacular.
your choice and the deep issues
the commission has taken on, the
city has taken on.
also your choice about council.
commissioner douglas said and
think others will appreciate we
can be pretty harsh on each
other maybe it's an advantage or
a curse.
as it's been pointed out, the
people you have chose tone help
advice city is a credit to you.
because we have been incredibly
successful in both negotiation.
what I appreciate most, if
anyone has a question that can't
be answered by you or mr. Moss
you will bring in someone to
help provide us that guidance.
ultimately your transparency and
monthly reports is a welcomed
feature that sets a tone for all
of the departments.
your communication skills are
appreciated and the only thing I
would say differently than maybe
my colleagues is that having the
opportunity to work with many
different city attorneys on
various regional issues that I
have had the opportunity.
I think we have the best city
attorney.
the best city attorney staff.
we have been able to handle
incredibly complex issues in a
diverse way.
have kept us out of trouble.
I don't mean that we seek it.
but we have to be careful as a
city, each department.
it's a credit to your commitment
to this city to us 24/7.
as we said earlier --
2:00 o'clock in the morning.
I have no doubt if there was an
urgent issue to address over
night you and your staff would
be there.
it's a long way to say,
favorable.
I am very appreciate tiff, kim,
of your honesty, your engagement
and putting fact in when
necessary.
thank you.
again nice working with you.
working with mark I feel blessed
as you being our city attorney.
>> thank you.
>> ms. Kisslan, you're the only
city attorney I know.
it's been a blessing.
sitting up here with your
guidance.
in preparation of your review I
had a chance to speak with you.
the memo in the back up of this
agenda.
I reviews your monthly reports
and legal spreadsheet.
I feel all of the documents and
presentation identify your
significant achievements and
objectives.
your decision making is second
to none.
I foal you demonstrate quality
of analysis related to progress
for the city of sunrise
organization.
your legal advice and legal
guidance to me and this
commission and the city and our
city staff has been instrument
al to decision making going on
throughout city and the ultimate
success of our city.
as I told you when we walked in
tonight, it's not lip service.
you're one of the smartest and
brightest lawyers I have ever
met, I believe in you as our
city attorney.
I believe you recruit and retain
a diverse staff.
very pleased with your new hire
this evening.
look forward to working with
him.
tom moss and the whole legal
support team is always there for
us.
it's a credit to your success
and your management and
leadership style and personal
development.
planning and organizing as a
lawyer that's what we do.
we plan and organize.
over and over.
I feel that you work well with
commission, the staffs, and
throughout the organization
develop strategies to achieve
the city's mission goals and
financial liability.
your work on your general
obligation bond, special
allegation bonds all strange to
me, it's a foreign language.
some how you get it to me and
I'm able to understand it.
I do appreciate that work on
that.
and then the unprecedented
coronavirus issues.
you work through transition,
remote and virtual, now back to
in-person and hybrid.
you keeping us all out of
trouble with your ethics opinion
and advice.
I can't comment enough on how
well I find your organization
skills.
I feel as mayor ryan pointed out
a moment ago your reputation
buildings respect and profile
for the city of sunrise.
throughout the city attorneys,
county and regional.
I truly believe you're the best,
knowing only one.
not a lot to compare but I know
in my heart you're the best.
I find that you work well with
staff.
finance committee, the
commission, preparing budgets,
monitoring progress, initiate
changes in operations as
appropriate.
you have kept me fully informed,
always check in on me.
as a lawyer I like to figure
things out myself and read.
now that mr. Douglas has let the
cat out of the bag.
I do too look at your litigation
reports to see what is going on
with the city.
I thought I was the only one
sneaky on that. I do appreciate
your monthly reporting.
you have always provided sound
legal advice.
as a lawyer clients should
listen to their lawyers.
I feel I'm your client.
I always listen to my lawyer
when they give sound legal
advice.
your work on ordinances,
resolutions, ethics, sunshine
law is all top notch.
I believe you represent the city
of sunrise well.
constituents -- general public.
you know confident that all of
the legal issues are in
compliance with federal and
local regulations.
I am confident you have adequate
control of accounting and all
funds with sound financial
practices.
I'm very pleased to find your
performance excellent.
so, thank you.
>> thank you.
>> alright.
and going --
[inaudible]
>> you like that.
I'm practicing.
alright we're going to her item
description.
I think it says after a finding
of a favorable annual review
pursuant to conditions of 7,
approved by majority vote of the
city commission employee should
be eligible for a annual mir it
increase.
anyone witch to have any comment
on the annual merit increase for
miss kisslan.
commissioner scuotto,
volunteering.
thank you.
>> I mean if we want to be
consistent with the charter
officers and go with the same --
so.
>> I will second that.
>> I agree with that.
>> ms. Guzman.
>> yes.
>> mayor ryan, did you hear
that?
it's a conscience of us here we
would like to be consistent
across the board with the
charter.
mayor ryan.
is he still on the phone?
>> they muted me.
>> oh.
>> they're not the first ones
that have wanted to do that.
>> I can we keep that feature.
just kidding.
>> when I'm there.
I said I support.
>> excellent, congratulations.
>> thank you, very much.
our direction comes from the
top.
thank you for all of the kudos
to my staff.
I will relay them too.
>> good job.
>> next victim.
>> alright.
17f.
police chief annual review.
commission discussion and or
action regarding the annual
review and evaluation of the
police chief, police chief
anthony rosa.
the floor is yours.
>> thank you, commissioner.
I want to thank you all for the
opportunity to, you know serve
as the police chief for the city
of sunrise.
it's a honor to serve as chief
in a city such as this.
there is an attachment to the
background.
I won't go through the whole
thing.
>> please don't.
>> it's too long.
>> I did want to say though we
have been very successful in the
police department in partnering
with the community as a way to
keep the crime at bay and to
improve the quality of life for
our residents.
as best the police department
can do.
even with all of the challenges
out in the world today.
covid is a huge challenge.
there is a cry in the law
enforcement word or criminal
justice world for social
justice.
the sunrise police department
has been able to recognize that,
adapt our method of policing in
a manner that is consistent with
community expectations and
community requirements.
I think we have been successful
with that.
police department is engaged
with this community.
like has never happened in the
history of the police
department.
we are out there and engaged.
I, I usually I think you
recognize this and the
commission recognizes I troy to
stay humble about things.
I won't be for now, for one
aspect of the police department.
the men and women of the sunrise
police department are second to
none.
they're getting this done.
you know because of their hard
work.
because of their efforts of my
command staff, mid level
management and line police
officers other agencies.
I have talked to chiefs and
leaders from other cities they
see our programs, see our
effectiveness in the police
department.
they try to emulate us.
I read an article today about a
south florida --
>> delray beach.
>> ice cream truck.
just came to them.
>> I think it's a testament to a
successful.
I have had most of the police
chiefs come to the police
department and ask us how we do
that.
I use that as an example.
I will go back to being humble
now.
I think that shows the
dedication of the men and women
of the sunrise police
department.
we remain a fully a credited
agency in the state of florida.
we do audits and inspections of
ourselves to make sure we
perform at the highest standard
we can.
we adapt when we don't think we
are and make that judgment call.
so, you know I'm not going to
continue to go on.
I will let you know I'm
committed to continue leading
the men and women of the sunrise
police department in the future
and do the best we can for our
residents.
thank you.
>> thank you, chief.
commissioner scuotto.
>> do I really have to.
this is like when mayor ryan
made me start off with something
else.
I was the first one having to
start off --
>> I know where to go.
>> I don't mind.
chief, I have a long history
here in sunrise.
I have been here for 42 years.
we have always.
my family has always had a good
relationship with the police
department.
even me as a kid.
sunset strip.
the a-frame police station.
one of the guys living on my
block, jerry o. He was one of
the dispatchers.
there were only a few at the
time.
he got my brother chippy a job
working as a dispatcher.
they had a gate that had a
buzzer.
they would buz you to go in.
a wooden gate.
I would go there on the weekend
to my brother would make me sit
there.
I was a kid, 11 years old.
I would hit the buzzer.
the guy said, if I do it one
more time, the guy, o. I won't
say what he said.
I'm just saying.
from that time you know we
always were involved with the
police department.
I have been through a lot of
different chiefs.
I will say sometimes change
changes people.
when chief boyet was here he
first initiated computers to the
police officers.
we didn't have computers: chief
brooks brought a different
perspective.
now yourself.
you are probably one of the
youngest chiefs not only for
sunrise but probably around.
you have showed enthusiasm of so
many different things that you
do in the department.
whether you continue to do some
things that each of them have
done and continue to do the
programs and there are things
you have added.
you have grown.
you will grow a hot.
because some of your police
officers are older than you.
so I'm sure you get a lot of
feedback from them knowing that
you know they have been around a
long time.
you have made more appointments
then any chief probably in the
history sunrise in such a short
period of time.
you have made more sergeants,
lieutenants, majors, deputy
chiefs.
I'm just saying you have got to
do it all.
not all of your positions were
maybe the right choice.
could of been right choice for
the time.
this is what it is.
one thing chief brooks always
said round peg in a road hole.
don't stuff something else in,
it won't fit.
it's also a learning curve.
you have to feel who will be
under you.
side by side with you.
through all of this.
you mention different aspects of
how the pandemic and how social
things that are going on out
there.
we put it this way.
we don't see any of that in the
city.
because we have always been on
the proactive side.
when community policing was
introduced that was boyet's
first thing.
they did that in brooklyn
because cops walked a beat.
they actually walked.
they had different things.
they had housing.
they had transit.
many different things.
they also had two cops in a car.
here it's different.
you have one cop in a car.
sometimes it's different because
that one cop is now the boss.
he doesn't have a partner to
bounce things off.
police, I mean fire is not one
person.
it's either multiple people on
the rescue or multiple people on
the fire truck.
so it's living they work as a
team.
not to say you don't.
so it's just a different way out
there.
we don't look at it like that.
all of the programs that you do.
is mostly all of the involvement
you do in the community.
the resource officers started in
the high schools.
then sunrise went to middle
school and then elementary
school.
by brooks starting the lemonade
stands and burger and hot doggy
vents.
we're always engaged in the
community.
people like, you're not just
giving out free food.
you're going to a neighborhood
of the hundred or two hundred
people you serve maybe five of
them come to you and say see
that house right had there.
see that business there.
did you ski the car right there.
so it's more as a information
gathering too.
we're always proactive.
you know previous city managers
always worry about blight.
always said we will never have
blight.
it could happen.
we don't make it happen.
you can drive around any
business.
there are no boards.
we have tops on the roof because
a hurricane.
we don't have boarded up stores,
broken windows.
so I think your following to me.
in the same footsteps what had
we have had.
we continue.
I enjoy working with you.
you have a great command staff.
there is probably no one better
than who you have standing,
sitting back there.
apologize that your standing at
a podium where the two previous
people are sitting as a desk.
now a little more comfortable.
it's you at the podium.
the only difference is I will
put back on the agenda that you
will do a report and the fire
chief will do a report.
it's good that you get to get
what we have to do like right
now.
this is difficult for us to sit
up here and evaluate ate you.
right or kim, mark, felicia.
imagine if I sat there and you
five that we're interviewing.
I'm sure there are a lot of
things --
>> we wouldn't hire you.
>> I'm just saying in a general.
you know.
it's very difficult for you to
take from what we say.
if it was on a negative.
we like working with the people
we.
have think we have a good
working group.
it's hard to find the negative
sometimes.
I think we work so well.
it's different when people are
always competing.
you know if, this is my personal
opinion, if the mayor was from a
district and all of us were from
a district I think it would be a
little different.
we would fight among each other
for different things.
you're working for the whole,
you're working for us.
you're not worried about just
the e side or west side.
just a mall or a business.
you worry about everyone and
everything.
it's a tough part to do that you
are doing.
then also have to worry about
what is going on in other
communities surrounding us.
what problems and issues they
have.
because we have cities on either
side of us and everyone else has
something going on.
it's good to know that you are
an elected by your peers as the
fire chief association where you
have that good relationship with
people and you have the good
relationship with other cities
where you guys can collaborate
together on a normal basis and
help each other.
the same way we have with the
ems where if a call comes in, if
tamarack is the closest or
lauder hill or plantation is the
closest, who ever is they're the
first one on scene.
so, you know your communication
skills with me are, you know
dynamite.
I do get calls at 1:00 o'clock,
2:00 o'clock, 3:00 o'clock in
the morning.
ill don't mind.
I don't e-mail.
I don't text.
that may annoy you, you get the
text and have to wake up to
actually call my.
that's part of the way you make
the big bucks.
I wish you the best.
you have a great staff.
the men and women of your
department.
I don't really hear anything
negative about you from them.
I wish you the best of luck.
continue to do what you're
doing.
you definitely get a favor able
from me.
>> thank you.
>> you're welcome.
>> commissioner douglas.
>> thank you, deputy mayor.
so, mr. Police chief years ago a
couple of years ago obviously
one of the first tasks I had
joining the commission was to
weight in on who would be the
next police chief.
obviously different ideas about
where we wanted to go and who
the leadership should be were
thrown out.
ultimately this commission chose
you.
I think it was largely stated
that your community policing
philosophy won the day as you
indicated it.
it has born itself out.
since you have been chief.
you know there was a mention
about the social demands that
have been made not just in
sunrise or broward or florida,
but across this nation.
for some adjustment.
think the population continues
to support police.
some adjustment in how we police
our communities.
I think one of the advantages we
have is police leadership that
is geared towards you being
flexible in that regard because
you already believe that. I can
imagine there are many
communities where there needs to
be a change.
there needs to be a shift.
now the leadership has to now be
pulling teeth with their police.
in order to shift that
direction.
so I think we're lucky for
having chosen a leader that is
already philosophically bent in
that direction.
obviously it's a challenge
leading with the turn overs that
have occurred.
my colleague indicated that you
have appointed more people than
anyone in history.
I guess he has history to say
so.
he went back and knows this more
so than I would, I couldn't put
a number on it I certainly by
observation would see that there
is quite a bit.
some of it thankfully . So I'm
not crying any tears.
obviously some would come
naturally.
if there are three potential
leaders of a different they
would have different philosophic
al bent.
some in the second tier
leadership may not feel they
would do well in the ultimate
leader.
whether it's you or any prior
colleague that competed for the
job.
who ever got the job -p they
probably would of resulted in
some attrition as a result of
living up to this leader's
expectation or how would you
like to change.
it's obviously something that
generates risk.
however where you have high turn
overs especially at this senior
level.
I don't think you can you can't
really just train judgment into
somebody.
you need to develop that
experience overtime.
you don't want a rookie becoming
a lieutenant over night.
often times we, we may have for
example an event and the
lieutenant is the highest level
of command on the scene.
they maybe called ton to make
quick decision that's can't wait
for the major or deputy chief or
chief.
he want to authorize and develop
our sergeants appropriately
develop our lieutenants
appropriately before they get
more responsibility.
there is flex in from.
thus far you have managed with
the team you have and have made
appropriate adjustments as
necessary.
pointing to the covid
environment your police officers
have gone above and beyond.
I mean we have had for example
protests in our like al
community.
we did not get any neck tiff
feedback with respect to how our
men and women went out there and
policed the community.
even under the most challenging
of circumstances.
for the more serious crimes
occurring we have largely been
able to get a solution to those
including those that would of
come into our community and
caused mayhem.
we have largely been able to
track them down.
make the arrest and bring them
before the courts.
obviously that is a testament to
the men and women that you lead.
you cheerly have the respect of
your men and women.
another reason I chose you, you
are military.
a leopard is a leopard.
a wolf is a wolf.
a sheep is a sheep.
I didn't choose a sheep for the
reasons that when you have a
hierarchy of machine and women
running around town with guns
you need strong leadership.
I believe you're that.
so you though we have worked
well together.
covid brought challenges which
your men and women have gone out
there to help with food drives
and different things that are
sometimes outside of the scope
of typical policing.
and I have often said that in
some areas we do over use the
police.
not just sunrise but generally,
philosophically.
there are so many areas that we
use the police that may not of
required police.
that is a big over arching issue
for policing across the country
where we bring the police into
contact with citizens where they
probably ought not to have and
it escalates into, I gave you a
command.
you didn't follow it.
I'm taking you to the ground, or
whatever language is used.
next thing you know it's
resisting arrest or whatever it
escalates.
probably we needed a different
professional for that. You have
been able to make the
adjustments.
you certainly have proven to be
a leader among leaders.
I have heard of the work you did
with the 911, 9-11 task forces
that were in place.
that was more active when the
formation was taking place.
now you're the president of the
broward county police chief
association.
I'm sure in that roll you have
been able to work very well with
our state attorneys, public
defenders.
other other law enforcement.
you represent sunrise.
I have listened to presentations
you have given to other bodies,
groups, community groups,
etcetera, I'm always in those
situations feeling a sense of
pride how you represent us.
in those areas that we disagree
we always discuss my views and
philosophies.
I have used -- reference before.
I won't use it tonight.
having five different people
coming with different
philosophies on how to police
and what not, obviously I don't
know what your conversation is
with my colleagues.
all and all I think we're close
together in such that you have
consistently been able to keep
us at peace.
I commend your efforts and
continue to look forward to you
strengthening the department.
stabilizing the leadership and
keeping our community safe.
>> thank you, commissioner.
>> assistant governor guzman.
>> with what I just heard.
I thought if we had a police
officer that had to be a
resident that would suck that
you wouldn't be here now.
I'm glad you are here.
>> you just have to move within
six months.
[laughing]
I'm just saying, right.
I had my first encounter with
you and the police department
2016, 2017 with my son jose.
as a resident I was so thankful
that you were, you and your team
were involved in the community.
welcoming me and my son.
you know showing that level of
engagement and open arms into
your, your building.
so I want to thank you for all
you have done during those
years, getting to know you, the
community, engagement officers.
I want to commend you also for
the diversity in the city.
I know years ago the kind of,
you know culture we had.
versus now.
it's really nice to see, you
know not just black american
officers but hispanic, and
women.
you have major labell.
that's amazing.
thank you for that part of your
department.
again going back to community
policing.
I don't think any other city
anywhere.
broward, miami., west palm have
what you do.
you're not just the ice cream
and barbecues.
I mean real conversations.
one-on-one mentoring and getting
to know individuals.
east, west, central.
I think there is a level of
comfort to walk up to a officer
and now you will have a
conversation and not looked down
at, like get away from me.
some places are like that.
they don't want to be
approached.
I don't see that.
thank you.
I also want to mention I had the
opportunity to go behind the
scenes and see what you do for
training.
I was just really, you know you
don't, you don't know until you
see first hand.
so it's hard to speak without
knowing, being in your shoes.
I mean what you do, risk of your
lives daily.
I just, I really have a level of
appreciations for the police
department and the fire
department.
police is in front of me.
so, thank you.
taking the calls anytime of the
day.
you call me, I call you.
I know I will get a response.
I have questions, you're there
to answer.
there is nothing negative I can
say I have had to encounter the
last eight or nine months I have
been here.
so, thank you.
I will add one more thing.
when it comes to the social
media.
I man, granted your physical
presence out on the bikes is
great.
for those who are not out in the
community as much and they're,
you know, the new technology we
have now it's apps and social
media, instagram.
you name it, you guys are there,
engaged, getting information,
providing information, you are
on top of it and set the bar.
thank you.
that's.
announcer:
>> thank you, very much.
>> mayor ryan.
>> thank you, deputy mayor.
chief, it has been quite an
amazing year.
I want to begin by thanking you
for dictating a policy and
series of policies meant to
protect the men and women.
unlike perhaps in my law office
or people who have worked in a
office or a business, you had to
protect your staff because most
importantly you had to make sure
they were there for the mission.
I know that's been challenging.
we're going through a rough time
right now.
between and you your command
staff and the tone you set about
the importance of making smart
personal decisions because
having officers out or having
officers ill or having officers
not coming to work jeopardizes
the mission of protecting.
that is our first job as a city.
going back I want to spend very
little time reflecting.
I want to thank you for your
leadership as commissioner
douglas pointed out on the 911
issues as carry forward we began
the msd commission.
the police chief association
needed someone to testify.
they chose you.
your continued engagement of the
leadership of the commissioned
that your peers respect you.
not just for technical expertise
but operational and situational
awareness and what you bring.
I can go on about your command
staff.
choices are exemplary.
your personal development has
been as my colleagues have
pointed out a model for moving
forward in a time where we must.
your ability to plan and
organize.
towards the objective is
unmatched.
your interpersonal skills are
exemplary.
each of my colleagues feel you
treat them as the most important
person that needs to be updated.
you treat us equally.
we all know you update us.
I want to pause for a moment and
reflect upon perhaps some of the
best examples of why I believe
and I think my colleagues
believe we have the best police
chief in the county for sure.
after may 25th, 2020, the
death of george floyd you took
rapid action.
one of the criticisms of police
departments that came from prior
task forces and blue rip on
commissions locally organized my
congressman hastings and
congress woman schultz.
part what had we learned that
worked was for too long police
departments were silent when
something happened a thousand
miles away.
no matter how the conduct of the
police officers there was
silence.
that silence is acquiescence.
it's true there was this level
of silence.
your work with the police
chief's association to rapidly
issue a statement condemning the
activity and conduct that
resulted in george floyd's death
sent a strong message tonight
community about community
policing.
it's not just easy, peaceful and
pop up barbecues.
it's being there for tough
discussions.
you were further tested when the
community came out to be heard
and to march.
we saw how other communities
managed those challenging
situations.
while behind the scenes you and
many departments were prepared
for potentially the worst
situation you set a tone of
leadership with your command
staff that was evidence to all
in uniform on the street.
when the marchs began in sunrise
your philosophy that traffic
inconvenience was not a reason
to interrupt first amendment
rights or allow people to be
heard resulted in one of the
most unusual scenes I have had
the opportunity to observe in
the years I have been here.
that includes many of those
protesters thanking you and your
officers for allowing it to
happen.
to flow.
even moments where I saw you
personally get out of the car to
help those who were marching in
need of water or assistance.
it was honest and not for a
photo op.
it was because you truly cared
about those that were there with
not only the right but the
obligation to have their voices
heard.
as the march provided throughout
sunrise and plantation and back
to sunrise.
at the end of the day I saw
officers giving rides to some
protesters who had a long way to
go to cars or not feeling well.
they did it with great
sincereness.
it's an example of the tone you
set for this department that
makes the difference for our
community.
of course you have to do all of
the other things.
control speeding on streets,
people driving motorcycles too
fast, crime that spills no our
city, then cooperating with
agencies at state and federal as
well as local partners.
that is all expect the of you.
these other moments when you
have set the tone for how a
police department must relate
with the community, must be part
of the community.
it's demonstrated not again when
it's easy to put a barbecue up
but when times could be
difficult or challenging and you
need to be part of a difficult
situation.
I thank you for your commitment,
that is 24/7.
I frankly don't understand where
you get the energy to manage
everything that you must manage
and still have the time to
update us on sensitive issues.
I know we only get to hear a
portion of what you carry in
your head and what you carry to
bed.
what wakes you up in the middle
of the night.
yet you do it with a sincere and
complete commitment to our city.
I again will say what I said
about ms. Kisslan is it mark.
I'm sincerely blessed to work
along side you.
I thank you for your commitment
to the residents, businesses,
the visitors, the city,
commission, staff, everything
that you and your command staff
and every officer throughout the
department as well as our
civilian support do for our
community.
it's a credit to your
leadership.
thank you, sir.
>> thank you, very much mayor.
>> okay, cleave.
in preparation for your review
we had the opportunity to talk.
I reviewed your commission
review.
2021 attachment in the backup.
as well as many e-mails
throughout the year.
I find these documents clearly
identified and demonstrate your
significant achievements and
objectives.
with your decision making and
judgment I find you consistently
demonstrate quality of analysis
and judgment related to progress
and opportunities for the need
of changes in the sunrise police
department.
you focus on targeting crime
that impacts our quality of life
with significant crime
reduction.
your guidance is instrumental in
my decision making and the
success of our city and police
department.
with respect to your personnel
development.
I find your command staff and
organization not only the best
in broward county but I would
put you against anyone in
florida.
you recruit and retain a diverse
staff.
your goal to attract the cream
of the crop is admirable.
it reflects in your, throughout
your organization.
you have increased the diversity
in our patrol officers and
command with your appointments.
I love the fact that you take
the time to personally interview
and meet every new recruit and
officer.
I find that you establish and
lead an effective management
team.
work in collaboration of the
police unions.
your use of the officer of the
month and promotional ceremonies
allow the achievements of staff.
with respect to planning and
organizing I find you work well
with the commission and achieve
city mission goals and financial
viability.
I share the same vision of you.
transparent, service orientated,
community engaged police
department.
our department is guardians of
the neighborhood.
-- in awe of your commitment of
community based events, the back
to school roundup, the citizens
police academy, advance academy,
assault, your dedication to
public information officers at
community meetings.
the bike patrols where you make
officers get off the bikes, give
badges out to contact, citizen
contact.
ice cream truck, I mean, the sun
sentinel says it all.
your social media, guzman says
it's out there.
your engagement in the community
is second to none.
I appreciate that.
I appreciate having our sros,
your commitment to that. Making
sure the schools are safe.
making sure that bond with the
child starts young and caries on
throughout.
that's something the whole
nation needs to do not just here
in sunrise.
your inner personal skills I
find that you, you have built
and continue to build a
respective pro foil for the city
through engagement activities.
I find you work well with staff,
finance committee -- monitor
progress and initiate changes as
appropriate.
please d that you serve with the
broward county chief
association.
I am very pleased that you
actively listen to the officers
at the ground level when it
relates to any issues going on
throughout your organization.
chief, I get the calls, you keep
me fully informed.
sometimes it's two, three, four
calls a day.
you do keep me informed.
it's timely.
on all aspects of the
organization.
your weekly reports, I truly
believe that you represent the
department and city of sunrise
well.
not only in sunrise but
throughout broward county.
with other residents, government
agencies, elected officials and
the general public.
I will note you maintain your
department accreditation again.
I believe you share adequate
control over the funds and
include maintaining sound
financial practices.
you demonstrate quality of
analysis and judgment for our
community.
you're proactively reviewing and
willingness to make changes that
are needed to any department
policies and procedure.
as my colleagues have echoed
prior to me I find your
performance excellent.
thank you for making it easy to
give you a review.
keep up the good work.
I can't say enough good things
about the organization.
the men and women that look up
to you.
the public that looks to you.
you have support.
if you need license plate
readers I'm sure we will hear
about it.
as you know whatever you need to
make your job successful I will
make sure you get the funding.
alright.
chief, good job.
>> thank you, very much.
>> I have one -- go ahead,
chief.
I'm sorry, go ahead.
>> okay.
>> I wanted to thank the
commissioner.
>> so I neglected to mention one
thing.
I think I should specifically I
have been on the other side of
the issue.
you know obviously it's the
issue of diversity.
my colleague mentioned and I
didn't.
because I have often publicly
spoken about the lack of
diversity in the city.
I should commend you for your
efforts since you became chief
to without compromising the
quality of the candidates give a
more diverse view or look to
more diverse candidates.
that has been renexted in your
report to the increase of
diversity.
again it goes without saying
that for community as diverse as
sunrise that it's important that
men and women of the city who
are police officers are
reflective of the diverse
population which they police.
the children when they go to
events or when they look and see
a police officer they see
themselves in that police
officer.
they say I can be that too.
you know recently I read during
the olympics they talked about
the gymnasts.
how african-american females
over the last years have become
the forefront of american
gymnastic success.
a article I read, there was a
trainer that said, years ago
she -- there was none.
it was after the first person
that came out then
african-american young girls
could see themselves.
I can do gymnastics.
someone that looks like me was
successful at it.
so when we are, when our kids
are looking around and looking
at men and women in uniform in
fire, police or leadership rolls
they need to see themselves in
those.
so, I am grateful for your
taking that bull by the horn.
I can tell you I know it's not
always easy to push in that
direction.
you know you maybe the boss but
you do have a whole slew of
people that may have different
ideas about how this should be
done.
I commend you for doing that,
you know hiring quality
candidates too.
these are all largely
accomplished whether through
education, training, military
service or what not that only
has gone to strengthen the
department and make the out look
for future leadership even more
diverse.
I appreciate, I believe we had
the first african-american
major.
first african-american
lieutenant.
probably south.
I don't want to commit to that.
I don't remember if sergeant is
involved.
certainly under your leadership
you have brought more diversity
to the men and women on the road
and leadership.
I have often spoken about it
when it's not a favorable
comment I would be remiss if I
didn't also bring that up
tonight.
but you don't get to stop where
you are.
certainly I want to commend you
on that.
>> thank you.
>> any other comments?
so, pursuant to chief rosa's
employment contract it says
every give year the police
department maintains a law
enforcement certification from
certified accreditation agency
and receives a favorable review
the probably maybe eligible to
receive a merit increase of 5%.
I'm in favor of 2.5% we have
done so far consistently.
>> second.
>> everyone else in agreement.
>> yes.
>> mayor ryan.
>> I support.
>> congratulations, chief rosa.
>> thank you.
it was mentioned.
I'm blessed to work for this
commission, this city.
I'm blessed to have the staff I
have and the way they serve the
community.
so thank you, very much.
>> good job, chief.
>> thank you.
>> alright.
>> bravo, do you need to type
over there.
we can get you a runner on the
base.
lordus you want to read for her.
I'm just kidding.
>> I'm fine --
>> yes.
>> okay.
17g.
city clerk annual review.
commission discussion and or
action regarding the annual
review and evaluation of city
clerk.
felicia bravo city clerk.
>> good evening.
it's been many years since I
have been to the podium to give
a presentation.
I gave you all my powerpoint
presentation.
my powerpoint presentation
describes some of my
accomplishments for the year and
some of the duties of the office
to refamiliarize you with that.
I sent you the accomplishments
we had this year from october to
july.
would like to point out a couple
of items.
the election we had in
november 2020, that was kind of
interesting because we probably
had more different election
items on the 2020 election, for
that cycle then we have had
since I have been here.
a general election, special
election, we had ' referendum on
three separate items.
also this year we had more board
applications than we have had in
the past.
I think for the first time we
had more board applications, not
just a little but tremendous
amount, then ever.
170 applications.
that was incredible.
it covered 129 positions, that
was great.
the best part is we brought in
38 new people, new appointees
into the fold.
just to give you some
perspective on that, when I
started here we had 6 boards.
five of those boards would of
had completely new people on it
with three extras to go.
that is how many new people we
brought in.
I don't take full credit for
that. I think some of those
folks came under assistant
deputy mayor guzman's coat
tails.
when we have a new elected
official they tend to bring in
their own people.
that was great.
there was great diversity.
younger people, different
backgrounds.
anyways that's my presentation.
I know it's late.
thank you.
it's a pleasure to work here.
>> alright.
commissioner scuotto.
>> next time we go by seniority
and time.
would you of been up first.
so how many years have you been
with the city now?
>> 20.
in february, 21 years.
>> so 21 years ago I sat up if
my office.
at the time to pick the city
clerk they made us sit in our
office and then all of the
people apply for the city clerk
job would come to our office.
so the joke was when I picked
felicia I said I picked the old
lady.
she said I'm younger than you.
it was always a joke.
>> now it's true.
>> it was like our joke from
back then.
you know like I say being up
here such a long time you get to
know a lot of your employees
poor a long period of time.
you get to know their families
and what not.
you know it's just, you build
those relationships with not
just employees but when we have
the picnics or we use to, you
know have the dinners that we
have.
there is inter action and we get
to see the employees with their
families or we get to see the
employees with their workers.
on a different way and a
different style.
I say that because I have never
seen you make a presentation
before until two weeks ago at
the public safety building.
she did a full report.
I never really seen felicia go
into so much detail about her
job.
I say this because she says this
is how she started off.
I have to say this.
you're a rock star in my family
now.
my kids.
I tell them.
they didn't believe me.
my daughter.
she says to the people as the
leadership academy, I am felicia
bravo the city of clerk of
sunrise.
she was like do you know loki.
I was like, what did she say.
loki is the marvel.
she is relating to the residents
to say loki and the thing, there
is a lady who takes the minutes.
her name is ms. Minutes.
she went into this whole thing.
when I went home to tell my
kids.
I was telling them about going
to the city and felicia spoke.
my daughter was like, my god.
I say that because sometimes
people don't realize what you do
in your job.
when you went up there if you
didn't try to relate to people
sometimes they wouldn't really
know.
even when I'm sitting there and
you explain everything.
the background checks and
everything, people running for a
board, applications, someone
wanting to buy a home.
you went into so much detail of
what it is that your department
really does.
not that you are just a cost to
the city commission and we file
our monthly reports, campaign
report or office account or
whatever it is.
you're another department that
is involved pretty much with
everyone.
then even when we had a couple
of meetings ago we never really
had an opportunity to speak to
the supervisor of elections.
we had him here that day and all
of the questions that we pretty
much hit him with and pounded
him with he didn't even know the
answers to basic questions.
I'm not faulting him.
he was knew.
I'm saying is we don't realize
when we have long term
institutional employees in the
city how much it helps everyone
else.
it really does.
douglas I get a kick out of it
because when sometimes I get to
speak or whatever.
then you said the historian.
I take that as a compliment
because --
>> it is.
>> what I'm saying is when you
say that some of the people may
not realize what you're saying.
she has been there for 20 years.
you know what I'm saying.
I will say for another for
instance.
one of her employees because she
didn't have a college degree was
not able to move up, forget how
many years in the city.
just because you don't have the
education for something but you
have that institutional
knowledge to me sometimes it's
worth more than the --
(lost audio)
can mean a lot of different
things.
it doesn't have to be religion,
color, it doesn't have to be
anything.
it has to be, could be just
because I don't have a degree
yet I have done this job for 20
years.
you're going to tell me I can't
move up.
I'm just saying so you were
there all the time dealing with
that.
knowing that you had someone who
was eligible and voiced your
opinions about it.
that means a lot for the person
sticking up for their employees.
so, like I say that presentation
really put it to what it is that
you really do and how a wide
variety it is.
it's not just like I need to get
this from that.
it's information that you know a
department head may need from
something or someone.
we have ten thousand boxes
stored in storage right now.
because that's how much we have
accumulated in paper rather than
with electronic.
so, you know you have a lot on
your plate.
like you said for this election,
when we use to do the elections
in march that was just what it
was.
all cities did their elections
in march.
that was just what it was.
because the general elections
were for governor and president
and stuff.
then the march elections were
specifically for the
municipalities.
then because of money and you
said we would be able to save
money.
then when we asked that
gentleman that day it was
something totally different.
it was good you explained it to
us in a way someone without the
institutional knowledge that you
have would have been an easy
explanation for you than for
him.
I applaud everything that you do
in your small department.
you have a limited amount of
people.
you know you have done a great
job with the city.
I continue to wish you success
and give you a favorable review.
>> thank you.
>> you're welcome.
>> commissioner douglas.
>> yes.
madam clerk, you know in terms
of those of us who have served
on boards or now elected we have
all had to work with your
office, in fact to guide us on
how to get through the processes
whether it's you know giving us
election packets or qualifying
us or background checks and so
on, so forth.
I spoke earlier about miss
kisslan's monthly report.
that sort of helps me to see
what is going on.
those prr responses are another
set of reports that I never miss
going through.
you can kind of see some things
that are going on.
people are asking for things.
they go let me see, why ask for
that.
that's another out of your
office.
the florida law, florida has a
robust public law resulting in
many people being sued for
failure of timely response to, I
have never seen that we have
really had a challenge with
that.
whether it's asking the police
because it's within their
preview or any other department
to provide you with the
necessary -- so you can fulfill
the requirements of the law.
you work in that regard.
you, you help remind us about
the various reporting
requirements.
various training requirements
keeping up with the legal
obligation.
so when the commission decided
that we should recognize or
advisory board members with a
certificate of appreciation you
got designs done and out as
quickly as possible when they
were finalized.
your office is kind of like the
submarine service in the
military.
the quiet service.
which is so critical in holding
it together.
being the secretary to the
commission as it was pointed
out.
being the chief elections
officer.
being the custodian of the seal
so to speak.
those are very very important
rolls in governance.
you know I have sought your
advice probably from the time I
sought office throughout,
especially in the early years.
so, in terms of your roll as
clerk and how you have managed
the roll.
I can not say anything negative.
you know if I have a question
you either find the answer or
you know, you give the answer
right away or find the answer.
one way or another I will get an
answer.
I have often not had to be with
your office as much as probably
say the city manager or attorney
or whatever.
you keep your office greased and
running.
you know when you have
challenges they have been
resolved.
I truly an appreciative of your
work and the city.
you cheerly have institutional
knowledge and knowledge about
your roll and function as a city
clerk.
certainly recently when the
issue came up as my colleague
pointed out regarding the
historical framework for moving
the elections and basis that was
grounded in cost and how much
previous elections have cost and
all of the different things that
helped to prepare us to sandbag
the new elections officer.
you have, you have done a great
service to the city.
your years here now.
in the last year even while we
had covid has to be mentioned.
we had covid.
we did not diverse ourselves of
our responsibility.
we still had to respond.
if there was an election taking
place in the mist of covid we
had to respond.
call buying people.
however it needed to get done,
we were able to get it done.
you have a pretty skeletal
staff.
a staff that knows their jobs.
and are able to carry it out in
an efficient way.
obviously that is testament to
your leadership.
soy want to commend you on the
work that you have been doing.
I certainly find your job
favorable.
>> assistant deputy mayor
guzman.
>> hello I will briefly discuss
my first interaction with you
and then get knot part where I
became assistant deputy mayor.
I just, I want to point this out
and I mean this in the nicest
way.
I don't want you to take this
wrong.
I want to be open with you, how
I felt.
as a candidate coming in,
initially I didn't foal
welcomed.
I really felt at if -- I don't
know.
I don't want to say the wrong
thing.
my initial inter action I was
disappointed woman to woman.
I don't know if I was young or
you didn't know who I was.
I totally get it I tempt I had
questions and was not
comfortable asking you them
initially when I was running for
my campaign.
up until I was the favorable
candidate then I felt you were
more receptive and more helpful
with me.
I appreciate that, at the end.
now being in the position I am
in, you know your team,
yourself, you are always
available if I need something.
you provide the information.
you're really good with
providing documents.
I appreciate that.
>> if I need it right away you
get it done.
thank you.
all I want to see is more of a
personable atmosphere.
I don't know if it's just me
with the problem.
over all I appreciate your
professionalism.
at the end of the day that's
what matters most.
you do your job and I thank you
for that. That's pretty much
what I have to say.
thanks.
>> mayor ryan.
>> thank you, deputy mayor.
felicia, I want to fish begin by
thanking you and your staff for
committing to leading the
mission in all regards as my
colleagues have pointed out in
the face of covid.
you were forced to adjust and
find a way to, with your staff
insure there was coverage and
that everybody could get the job
done even if it meant staggering
days and the opportunity to work
on weekends so that people were
not in the office while
continuing to meet the mission.
as has been said not only are
their cities that get sued for
not timely responding there has
been, we just need to admit it
there has been a cottage
industry of those who make
public record requests hoping
that either you will refuse it
or be untimely.
they ask for things like every
cellphone number of every
employer for a database that
they're compiling of all city
employees throughout the nation.
undoubtedly they're not doing
but they hope you will stumble.
you have never done that.
you have been able to meet all
of the public record requests.
those which we can question the
sincerity and those that are the
most fundamental with a timely
response.
you treat them equally.
I as commissioner douglas said,
I find the requests and public
responses interesting.
it's part of your work in being
transparent.
there is just no doubt that I
think from a public's
perspective when you call it
the, I thought it was a
interesting reference to the
submarine force of the military,
the silence.
you are the one behind the
scenes that you and your staff
that makes sure the city runs
smoothly in many respects and
never gets credit.
it's from making sure the
advisory boards not only that
the applications are available
to the commission for review but
that people are encourages.
that you -- some situations have
to be pursued.
then make sure thighs are
qualified candidates.
with the numbers that we have
seen and interests your job has
become more challenging.
to organize and be responsive.
I appreciate that you value the
advisory board.
you don't view it as a necessary
evil that you have to do.
2020 election didn't have
challenges.
your commitment to the right to
vote.
your engagement with the county,
supervisor of elections and
municipalities to make sure this
goes
(lost audio)
the financial expense on our
city and our residents.
you're one of those leaders.
we can tell from the e-mails
through the county.
you and your staff compiled
information quickly.
you prepared all of us to be
ready for the supervisor came,
have the important questions.
I thank you for your comment to
a professional work place, to
a -- making sure we're prepared
to maintaining the official
record as we pointed out.
being responsive to the
community and it can seep at
times antiseptic.
your staff are there to welcome
people and to do it in a
professional manner.
I thank you and your staff for
everything.
I like my colleagues
wholeheartedly provide a more
than favorable review.
thank you.
>> thank you.
>> thank you, mayor.
>> ms. Bravo in preparation of
your performance review I spoke
with you and reviewed your city
clerk memorandum, annual review,
and presentation annual review,
and the many e-mails you send
out weekly and through out the
year.
I find these above referenced
document cheerly identify your
achievements and objectives
throughout the fiscal year 2021.
with respect to your decision
making and judgements I feel you
consistently demonstrate a
quality analysis -- changes
within the city of sunrise
organization.
your guidance is instrument al
to my decision making and the
ultimate success of our city.
with respect to personal
development.
I find you recruit and maintain
a diverse staff, establish an
effective management team, I
know you in the past and
consistently recognize the
accomplishments made by your
office and city staff.
they couldn't of taken place
without the input.
I find you're a, you have a
dedicated and talented staff in
making you successful.
you have demonstrated great
resiliency dealing with
covid-19, the specially hex,
cost of elections coming up.
I find that incredibly
invaluable and useful tools for
us in making my decision making
up here.
I command you on training the
employees and board members
alike on open meeting laws,
public records act.
I find your planning and
organization, you work well with
the commission, the city manager
office for the city to achieve
mission goals and financial
liability.
with respect to your
interpersonal skills I believe
you have built and continue to
build respect and profile for
the city of sunrise through your
position.
exceptional customer service and
that is evident in my
conversations with city staff,
residents and board members.
I find you work well with staff,
financial committee, city
manager, commission to prepare
budgets, monitor progress,
initiate changes in operations
and order budgets as
appropriate.
again as I have preferenced a
few moments ago I am
consistently informed with
e-mails, public records
requests.
I find them timely.
in a way that gives me a thumb
print of the organization.
the important factors
influencing it.
forwarding the resolutions from
other municipalities your weekly
public report requests are
instrumental in my decision
making.
I believe you provide me support
for documents and public records
needed.
I believe you represent the city
of sunrise well.
with respect to administrative
policies and procedures you are
the official records and
documents custodian.
you insure they're retained and
destroyed in accordance with
state public records laws.
I believe you insure adequate
reports of financing and
financial practices.
I commend you maintaining the
registered lobbyist disclosures
for our use as my colleagues
have said I am pleased to find
your performance excellent for
this review period.
>> thank you, sir.
>> unfortunately I think your
different.
your employment contract is
different from the previous
three.
>> that's okay.
>> reading the exert it says in
exchange for her services as
city clerk felicia receives the
following benefits unless
otherwise provided by the
agreement.
all provided as designated, the
city's executive ordinance at
the same level which they're
provided as this agreement and
additional benefits and
increases.
if the city commission approved
an increase for -- then
ms. Bravo should receive the
increase on your anniversary
date.
I'm not sure --
>> city manager, can you help us
with that.
how do we interpret that is.
there a trigger point where a
merit increase would be.
>> yes years ago the city would
annually approve the merits for
each employee to be eligible.
I believe back in 2011 it was a,
a 715x item authorize d that
moving forward.
that item is approved.
>> so would there be a trigger
that would do what we did for
the rest of the charter officers
at a different point or how do
we?
the trigger would be a favorable
review.
>> in terms of -- I know
ms. Bravo's contract and the
trigger point.
even if we didn't do a review.
>> hell me clear it up.
>> no review no merit.
>> no if there was no review she
gets a merit.
>> with a review?
>> she gets a merit.
>> do we do it now or a double
dip?
>> no double dip.
sorry, I didn't realize the
question.
I'm slow.
>> okay.
then we --
>> she is automatically getting
a merit.
>> yes.
>> okay.
>> alright.
>> agree?
>> she would of receive it did
on her anniversary date in
february.
>> she hasn't gotten it?
>> she did.
she should have.
>> okay.
we're wasting our time on her.
we didn't have to review her she
got it.
>> it's still important it be
done.
>> I want to make sure the
public understands.
>> thank you, again, ms. Bravo.
>> she has a employment range.
as long as she is in the
employment range she will.
>> are you in the range?
>> yes.
>> okay, good.
>> alright.
thank you again ms. Bravo for
presenting to us.
and to the millions of people at
home that are watching.
>> thank you.
>> my distinct pleasure to work
with the city.
I'm probably one of the biggest
advocates when I leave town and
go out of town, people ask me
about sunrise I tell them all
about it.
thank you.
>> no, we're not done yet.
>> no commissioner, mayor
reports.
>> no report.
>> I will just do one report.
one report that's it.
out of the five I.
have so, earlier we did have on
the call mr. Hill with the
american heart association.
he was going to briefly talk
about the upcoming.
what they were planning to do or
wanting to do in our city.
I don't know if we need to have
him speak on it if I can talk
about it.
I don't know what the protocol
is.
>> when is it?
>> friday february 4th is
national red day for women,
american heart.
this past year we were all
wearing red supportive and had a
proclamation.
thank you.
we were looking to possibly see
about doing a fashion show here
at the city.
making it like an annual thing.
not just any, you know fashion
show.
really making it a nice, you
know not fund raiser but more of
a gala where we're in support of
awareness for the american
heart.
so american heart was going to
come in.
sawgrass would be part of it
there has already been talk.
I don't know if mark wants to
talk about it.
if you have questions --
>> you're saying?
>> it would be the american
heart association.
they're on our list for support
already.
so I don't know if kim wants to
speak on that or if mark needs
to.
>> when is the event?
>> friday february 4th, 2022.
>> there is time.
>> so they were added in terms
of budget.
what is required too?
we do make -- allocations.
there is a long list.
the list is way longer than --
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>> I don't know how it works,
it's more of a matter of
providing the ballroom and a
stage of some sort.
then them getting other
organizations or how ever they
want to fund it.
it's more of us providing a spot
to host it if that makes sense.
>> we can't give them the hall.
otherwise everyone else would
ask for the hall.
>> yes.
>> with government everything
has to be -- we have to show
it's for a public purpose.
>> if they're asking us as a
501c3 when we do the budget
that's one thing.
if they ask for money for
that --
>> they're not asking for money.
>> well -- I'm saying we have a
contract for the ballroom.
it's not our ballroom.
we have a, it's totally
different.
>> I know --
>> it is our ballroom.
>> unless it's a city event.
>> I don't know how, what is the
best way to move forward.
I know there is conversation
with emily.
>> city manager, is american
heart on the list for people
seeking money for the next cycle
of charitable donations.
>> I don't believe so.
based on discussions I have had
the request is not for money
it's just for utilizing our
facility for that day.
>> has there been other times
where we have been, how does the
commission weight in for that to
occur.
>> would I have to get with the
city attorney and see how to
accomplish that.
I believe it may of been done in
the past.
>> you have to find it's for a
public purpose --
>> they're selling tickets to
make money for their charity.
it's different.
so every charity could come to
us and ask us to give them a
free ballroom so they can sell
tickets and make money for the
charity.
let's let the city attorney look
at it.
>> what if it's a city event.
>> then it's another city event.
they're making money off of us.
how is it a city event and they
sell tickets for the event and
they keep the money.
it's not a city event then.
>> when is the date?
>> february.
>> february next year.
>> okay.
we can the city attorney advice
us this.
is sufficient time.
not tonight.
yes, I think we have time to
weight in on it.
>> alright.
>> thank you.
>> mayor, any report?
>> yes.
first of all just to my
colleagues.
I have asked city manager's
office to provide a update to
each of us on the 40 year
inspection report process as
well as the status of reports
for the years 2019, 2020, and
the current year.
those are forthcoming.
I know a number of buildings
and -- will be brought before
the special magistrate in august
regarding the reports.
so I encourage you to look at
that. You know that is a
particularly hot topic right
now.
you may get compliance as we
have historically from various
associations related to the 40
year inspection.
I want the city manager office
to provide that information so
you have that.
second as you know broward
county is in the news as a
result of being a covid hot spot
if not the primary hot spot in
the country.
our hospital rates and icu and
positivity rate sat 1% reported
today.
since july 25th we have had 59
covid deaths in broward county.
I don't remember a pace like
that since the start of the
pandemic.
I raise it because we have here
tonight shared our appreciations
to our charter officers and our
employees with an employee
appreciations dinner scheduled
the next couple of weeks.
I personally feel it's ill
advised for us to have a indoor
gathering of hundreds of
employees particularly with the
fact that while we face covid
and we call it covid-19 this
delta variant is not last year's
covid.
the transmissibility, the ris
stocks children that we see
communicated, and the basic fact
that I think is evolving and
confirmed which is that even
those who are vaccinated, if we
have covid can transit to those
that may, a, be unvaccinated or
b, be vaccinated and further
transmit it.
I have to question whether or
not mr. City manager, it's
appropriate for us to provide at
this time with the employee
appreciations dinner.
I don't want to put it off but I
think we have to find other ways
to do it rather than gathering a
now hundred people in a in door
event in light of what is going
on currently.
I certainly am one to looking
forward to getting beyond that.
would I ask the city manager
what is the site manager's
position regarding this employee
appreciation dinner in the
context of the current covid-19
situation.
>> city manager.
>> so, coincidentally this was
something I was intending to
bring up under city manager's
report.
right now we have a little over
200 employees that have signed
up for the employee appreciation
dinner friday august 27th.
as the mayor stated the covid
rates are rising the past few
months.
I know the commission has
provided direction in the past
to me in terms of the masks
requirements across the city.
so I was going to solicit
feedback from the commission to
see what their, if they would
provide me some --
>> I will give you some
feedback.
>> wait a second.
I still have the floor.
thank you.
I certainly have as my third
item the mask requirements.
go ahead city manager.
>> mayor, that's is from my
perspective.
I'm conflicted from the position
some employees are clearly
interested in attending with the
number of sign ups.
I have concerns over all with
where things are trending from
my perspective.
>> have you, have you
established for the purposes of
the dinner whether or not it's
for, I'm not asking that you
should, I'm asking if you have,
either people should be
vaccinated or mask requirement?
have you --
>> I think it's inappropriate to
put the city manager in that
position.
>> excuse me I have the floor.
>> you can have the floor.
I don't think you should ask the
city manager to make the
decision on the spot.
>> that may well be.
I'm asking him.
if I can do that without --
>> you didn't come last year --
>> come on it's too late.
>> mayor the floor is yours.
>> -- and have you considered
whether to reinstitute a mask
requirement in general as
broward county has done for
government buildings and for
those in our offices?
>> so regarding the employee
appreciations dinner no, we have
not identified that as a
requirement in terms of masks.
now, relating to a mask mandate
across the city.
we have done as an organization
I think we have done a good job
in communicating to our staff
about recommending and strongly
recommend our employees wear
masks.
I think our employees have done
a excellent job.
although there has been a few
issues outside of the city hall.
I think generally you know we
don't have, we're not seeing
significant increases in covid
for our employees.
I think they have done a
excellent job in terms of a mask
mandate.
if the commission would like for
us to look at that further I
certainly can.
>> mayor, any other comments?
>> no.
>> I will open it up.
>> to the city manager, we
understand what is going on.
normally at this dinner we
morally get five, six hundred.
I'm saying normally we have five
to six hundred.
>> it varies each year.
it's generally three hundred to
five hundred employees.
>> we're at two hundred.
I'm saying, I'm just saying --
you think a lot of the employees
are nervous or spouses are
nervous and maybe they don't
want to and that's why it's --
>> the question to ask is do
people sign up prior to coming.
>> then my next question -- do
normally everybody just start
saying they're going the last
week.
normally or not.
>> yes.
usually you will see a sign up
also towards the late end.
there is a group of employees
that are concerned and won't
attend because of the concerns
with covid.
I believe there is a group that
exists.
>> if we cancel do we lose, I'm
not worried about the deposit.
>> if we cancel we definitely
will lose a significant portion
of the, of the funds like 75%
plus a cancellation fee.
we have not been able to
determine is if we postpone it
or move it to another date if
there is a financial implication
for that.
>> I'm just saying I mean --
they are your employees.
I'm just saying.
we had a little burst in one
department.
we had a little burst.
we know summer camp with the
kids had a bust at the very end.
I'm saying it's not a false hood
to say it's rising again.
I got vaccinated.
my brother got vaccinated and he
got it yes, he works in a
hospital but, then my nephew did
summer camp.
so I'm saying is, I mean I
don't -- I just don't I don't
mind for myself.
I don't want to put 500
employees.
now they work for us.
work for you.
is it going to put the city as
far as people working and start
having these spurts in all
departments.
that's what I worry about.
individually if we were all just
individuals and everyone had a
different job and different
business you take a shot.
the same way --
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my nose works at west side
regional.
I'm saying it's not made up.
I don't know if everyone in this
has a broken arm and broken leg
and corona.
I don't know.
I'm saying I just feel --
>> here is the thing we as a
commission decide d that we were
not going to pursue a mask
mandate earlier.
things may of changed.
>> it was getting better.
>> I understand.
>> I am saying prior to today
it's unfair to expect the city
manager to make a university
lateral decision to implement
masks.
>> at 11:20.
>> or for anything else without
coming back to the commission.
>> I think the mayor was just
asking a question.
>> no.
>> this is the only meeting this
month.
>> he's not here.
>> I wish someone put it on the
agenda for discussion so we --
the city manager has been put on
the spot, what have you decided.
it's impossible to say, you know
staff if you want to come to
this dinner you have to be
vaccinated or a mask.
it's outside of the city.
we already put the, we put the
handcuffs on it.
>> that's an outside event.
>> I'm not saying we have to
change directions.
commissioner city manager have
you made a decision about
wearing masks --
>> I don't think.
I can tell by the tone he's
asking.
>> the mayor has put things on
the agenda tuesday morning when
he wants to decide it.
>> that's not the case.
commissioner, look here is the
reality.
here is the reality.
covid is rising here.
not only are the hospitals
cancel elective surgeries.
they're concerting auditoriums
to covid wings.
the question I have is whether
we should consider delaying the
employee appreciations dinner.
it's not a slight against our
employees.
>> that's not what you asked
him.
you asked him if he made the
decision --
[inaudible]
>> we're going forward, if we go
forward we need to protect our,
our staff.
frankly I will be straight
forward.
I do not believe we should go
forward with the pro*er employee
appreciations dinner.
this is my view, should inquire
if it can be pushed, whether
there is a covid clause in the
contract, whether there is an
opportunity to delay this until
another date when we're out of
this covid wave.
it is real.
>> commissioner douglas.
>> okay.
so, this is the only meeting.
this event is suppose to happen.
how much have we deposited,
mr. City manager woe would lose?
>> I believe it's around
$18,000.
>> 75% --
[inaudible]
>> we see weddings and various
events where people, they run a
business too.
to they're keeping that money.
so, are we, if we're going to
lose 70% -- if we show up only
50 people great.
people take their masks off in
restaurants.
we were told vaccines -- 75% of
adult americans have supposedly
been vaccinated.
at what point do we give people
the opportunity to exercise
personal responsibility.
when 110% of us are vaccinated.
people can choose not to go.
why walk away from 70% and a
cancellation fee.
people should go or not go.
because these same people are
going to restaurants.
I know the mayor is super scared
of covid and what not.
the mayor coming in here tonight
asking the city manager has he
made a decision about when to
require people require -- what
do you do go to the door of this
place and say show me a vaccine
card?
that's not a good position for
city manager.
>> you can go on-line and have
one printed out.
>> that's why I'm responding
this forcibly.
I know the mayor is uber liberal
on the issue or conservative
however you look at it I'm not
going to ask the city manager to
make a university lateral
decision.
if the commission wants to
direct the city manager to
cancel so be it.
don't put him in that position.
>> commissioner scuotto.
>> to me I would think
ultimately you would have that
choice.
but like out of the five of us
being your boss making you make
that decision, I'm just saying
then it has no ramifications
against us.
people are out this eating,
drinking, doing everything.
yes it's rising.
I don't know what it is.
the world can't end every time
something happens.
if everybody wants us to get
back to normal.
soy don't -- I mean it seems
like.
it seems to be like a never
ending right now.
that this is not going to just
end.
I mean right now it's the delta
variant.
in six months there will be
another variant.
>> alpha.
>> I'm just saying.
>> deputy mayor, the mayor has
his hand raised as well.
>> I will get him in a minute.
>> do you poll the 200 people
that want to come, will they
come.
will another 200 people come.
I am not worried about losing
the $20,000.
nobody wants to lose that.
can we bump it?
is that a option?
I don't want to be the one that
says have this and then because
a hundred of them or 50 not
going are sick and then
infect -- I don't know.
I'm going to the league of
cities.
I don't know how it will be
there.
I feel comfortable I got the
shot.
>> assistant deputy mayor
guzman.
>> at this point those who
signed up know the risk that
they're taking.
we know what is happening.
if they sign up that's their
prerogative.
given the relationship with
signature grain, if you push the
date back I don't sew why they
would penalize you for doing so.
if they want to keep business
they should make it work.
knowing the times we're in now.
>> they lose the date you
picked.
nobody can then of picked that
date.
>> I'm sure there is a way to
work it out.
business is business.
>> someone closes down my
restaurant friday night when I
can make money.
then they say I'm canceling but
my dor was shut, it's a
inconvenience.
>> you have lost supplies, you
have people, you have other
contracts.
>> yes.
someone else could of balked the
day.
I'm not faulting them.
they don't have anything to do
with it.
I don't know if you want to make
it through us or if you're going
to make that decision.
>> one second.
mayor ryan.
>> you had a 2.5% raise, you got
your evaluation.
you want to be paid the big
bucks, big boss, you make the
decisions.
>> mayor ryan.
>> I had answer to the people --
>> first of all I believe it's a
decision reserved to the city
manager.
he is making a decision what he
will do with his employees.
we can be upset.
we can reevaluate him this.
is a decision he makes for the
ultimate mission to make sure
everyone is safe irrespective of
personal choices.
second, the vaccine is not a
panacea.
by definition 1-5% of those
receiving pfizer will get sick
and die.
a percentage of those who could
of been saved will not be.
moreover the data now is
evolving those who are
vaccinated can transmit.
we have at least one officer in
the hospital right now.
(lost audio)
not have an employee appreciate
dinner reaching as many people
as possible.
the fact only two hundred have
signed up now after covid, all I
suggest is to have city staff to
look see if they can push the
date.
jazz fest has been moved to
november.
there are all sorts of things
canceled and moved because of
covid.
there are employees who have
talked to me who don't feel
comfortable going because of
this.
I certainly don't wand to find
out afterwards that there was a
spread because of this.
for just an appreciation dinner.
I know we appreciate our
employees.
everyone up here sincerely feels
the same way.
we feel strongly about our
employees.
I wonder if this is the best
idea in light of the current
data. That's all I will say.
whatever decision the commission
makes and directs that's fine.
I believe it's reserved to the
city manager.
>> firstly, I want to make a
point about that.
>> commissioner douglas go
ahead.
>> the staff city -- this only
limitation we have as a
commission is we can't dictate
who the city manager hires or
fires.
I don't want this to be a issue
about whether there are staff or
city manager staff or direct
them on a day to day basis.
this is not about that.
if there is a decision,
especially when we have lifted
the mask mandate, we haven't
changed that officially yet.
as to whether it should be in
place or not is not the
question.
we have said to him we're not
going -- before he chose not to
proceed.
on this very narrow issue will
we say, mr. City manager, it's
your decision to tell the staff.
an event outside of the city,
that you can't come unless you
wear a mask.
it's in consistent with what the
commission has said.
how do we tell them it's now his
decision.
no, it's not his decision to
make.
if this commission wants to be
bold and say, mr. City manager,
cancel the event.
then do that.
don't kick the ball into his lap
and say it's yours.
now the staff will be mad at
him.
that he is cherrypicking mask
mandates.
worst suggestion that we should
make it mandatory or you should
of considered whether vaccine is
a basis coming in.
that's inconsistent with the
mayor saying vaccination doesn't
stop -- medical science says it.
one hand he says should we have
them vaccinated to come.
at the same time he is saying oh
vaccine doesn't stop people from
being infected.
we know that to be true.
vaccine doesn't stop someone
from having a pathogen and
shedding it.
months ago I heard we have to
hold on, we have to hold on.
now they say 75% of the
population.
now I hear vaccine does not stop
the issue.
do we live in this world forever
more?
even with a hundred percent of
the people vaccinated.
where do we stop?
I don't know.
yo think you should take that
decision on your self, mr. City
manager.
I think you should ask your
bosses for a firm directive.
>> I will weight.
in.
>> -- postpone.
>> I will weight in really
quick.
>> I am not voting to postpone.
people may not attend if they
want, the mayor doesn't have to
a continued, unlikely to attend
anyways.
>> I would be supportive of
postponing it.
just based on the recent data
that I have seen and witnessed.
I would rather air on the side
of caution then be wrong.
I would like to recoup as much
as we can family.
I don't want to cancel it I
would rather see if we can move
it.
that is my direction or opinion
on the matter to consider.
>> deputy mayor.
the mayor has his hand raised
again.
>> sure.
I will support your decision.
for me I'm fine with moving it.
I don't see anything wrong with
airing on the side of caution.
that is my side.
mayor ryan.
>> well first I do believe it's
up to mr. Lubelski to decide to
postponing it.
I would move for him tonight to
postpone the appreciations
dinner.
separately I would like to
discuss whether there should be
a mask mandate in the buildings
in light of the cdc
recommendations and what has
evolved mask mandates including
the broward county school board.
at the same time I would applaud
their courage today to vote for
a mask mandate notwithstanding
the threats of the governor to
eliminate funding or stop their
own salaries.
first the employee appreciation
dinner, I would move, I would
move to postpone it I am happy
to debate whether I'm consistent
or not consistent about
vaccines.
I don't think that's a relevant
issue.
>> there is a motion by mayor
ryan to move at employee
appreciations dinner.
is there a second?
>> I will second it.
>> second by commissioner
scuotto.
call a question on this.
>> I wonder what is ms. Guzman.
we're discussing it.
we would rather know we will
make the decision or we make the
decision to give it to
mr. Lubelski.
I mean --
>> I think the mayor has made a
motion to direct the city
manager to postpone the employee
appreciations dinner.
I think that's the motion if I'm
correct.
is that correct, mayor?
>> yes, sir.
>> okay.
so discussion on the motion.
that's all.
>> discussion on the motion.
>> so.
>> assistant department utility
mayor guzman.
>> do you feel confident making
that decision to the staff.
how do you feel about it?
>> as city manager I caution to
you take that into your lap.
>> I brought this back to the
commission.
I intended to bring it up during
my report because of the
previous direction regarding
masks to get their feedback.
>> you're asking us for
feedback.
>> yes.
>> that's your answer now.
>> yes, I prefer feed back.
>> would you feel comfortable.
I'm standing because I have been
sitting for six hours.
I'm not standing to be over
powering or anything.
so, would you feel -- I'm just
asking.
would you feel comfortable if we
postpone it to give maybe this
would go down.
I'm just -- I'm just asking in
general.
>> I think we should make a
decision.
give him the direction.
if he does it he's doing
something inconsistent with
previous decision that's we have
made.
>> but see I will tell you, we
were all here that day.
he wanted us to have masks
mandated in the building.
we told him, we over ruled him.
but the people in this building
probably 90% of them wear a
mask.
where as if you go to the public
safety building 20% of the
people wear a mask there.
is a big difference of someone
listening, observing, or doing
the right thing for themselves
or others doing what they want.
>> so, I mean -- I just say that
if we have always gotten five
hundred people and now we have
two hundred obviously a lot of
people are think ing about it.
okay.
that's all I'm saying.
a lot of people think about it.
we're 350 less.
I'm not saying the 200 that want
to go don't care.
they're just willing to get g.
out and enjoy themselves.
they figure it won't happen or
affect them.
I just -- I'm good for myself.
I accept what I do.
it's tough to make a decision
about someone else's life by
putting them all in a room for a
party.
I don't want that to be on me.
I'm not saying for to you make
the decision.
if you're asking.
you say we should make the
decision and not mark, then I'm
making the decision to say --
>> then call the question.
>> alright.
this is early.
>> hold on.
anymore comment?
anyone, colleagues have more
comments?
>> same just asking the city
manager, do you feel
uncomfortable if you now have to
tell the 200 people that we're
not going.
do you think we will get massive
backlash and people going out of
their mind or say alright I
understand covid got a little
kicked up.
I don't mind waiting.
I just --
>> I think generally our
employees are understanding.
they will understand either
direction of the commission.
>> okay.
>> then I make a motion.
I second the motion about the
mayor said about postponing.
(lost audio)
>> anyone on the phone to make a
comment regarding the city
commission's motion to postpone
the employee appreciations
dinner.
>> calling in?
>> anyone out there wanting
public comments.
alright I will close public
hearing.
we can call the question then.
>> deputy mayor.
>> yes,.
>> what --
>> the motion is to postpone the
employee appreciations din for a
later date.
nothing to do with masks at this
point.
this is a motion to postpone the
employee appreciation dinner.
call the question.
>> deputy mayor.
>> yes,.
>> commissioner scuotto.
>> yes.
>> commissioner douglas.
>> no.
>> assistant deputy mayor.
>> no.
>> mayor.
>> yes.
>> motion caries 3-2 to
postpone.
>> the mayor want to discuss a
mask mandate he can call a
special meeting.
>> I'm prepared to discuss it
tonight if you want to call a
special meeting I'm happy to do
that as well.
I will get with kim.
I don't think we have weeks to
make the decision in light of
the fact that broward county has
issued a mask mandate in
government buildings, the cdc
recommend people wear masks.
we are seeing a broad
recommendation for those
vaccinated should wear masks.
we have implemented in my law
everyone wearing a mask whether
vaccinated or not.
I don't believe there should be
a lesser standard in the
government buildings.
I'm prepared to discuss it.
if the will of the commission is
to hold this for a special
meeting to be called I will work
with the city clerk and city
attorney office to call a
special meeting.
>> I would say if the city
manager wants to send an e-mail
to all employees or if the chief
of police wants to send a letter
to awful his employees, not
directing a mandate, offering it
as just a information whatever
that has just been said by the
mayor.
that the cdc, the county, and
all of those -- I'm saying as a
informational.
>> I agree with you.
there comes a point we have to
move away from directing people
they have to.
>> can we ask the employees.
can we find out what the
employees feel?
what the majority is.
>> no public health policy is
not based on whether people want
to wear a mask.
it's whether to protect them.
that's our obligation.
I understand it's difficult if
people want to move to personal
responsibility.
we also have a obligation to our
staff and the public.
I think we need to address the
mask mandate --
[inaudible]
>> hold on.
>> point of order.
I don't want to recess at 11:45.
>> sorry.
>> I don't want to recess until
we can come back to order.
everyone is talking at the same
time.
>> my apology.
all I'm saying is --
>> getting talked over.
go ahead.
>> hold on.
let's take a breather.
one person at a time.
mayor ryan, you have the floor.
then commissioner douglas will
have the floor.
mayor ryan, go ahead.
>> I was not in favor of
reducing the mask mandate.
mark was in support the time the
commission directed him
otherwise.
I understand the data is where
it was then.
what we are facing today is not
last year's covid.
it's a delta variant.
would I love to move beyond
this.
perm responsibility is not a
public health policy no matter
what the state leaders say.
we have an obligation that the
county, cdc and local businesses
are doing to protect our
employees and visitors.
I believe we should institute a
mask mandate in the government
buildings as has been done this.
is not novel.
the city manager has the
authority on his own, without
direction from the city
commission to do that.
it should remain.
I am moving for a mask mandate
in our buildings for the public
and for our staff.
you can move aside the issue of
consequences for it and all of
the issues about discipline we
should issue the mask mandate.
>> first of all this is not just
about staff this.
is about the public and the
public's ability.
I have seen the public.
the day after we lifted the mask
mandate --
(lost audio)
- they came with their mask.
when they realized there was no
mandate -- these people made
personal choices in this rom
tonight we have personal choices
being made.
assistant deputy mayor has a
mask on.
other have masks on, I see
police officers that do and some
don't.
personal choice.
at what point if it's up to the
mayor we would live in a chamber
for the next five years.
that's his view on this thing.
the end of the day is it going
to be a new vaccine, a triple
vaccine, what is -- what is
going to be the point at which
we decide that people now get
to -- we don't live in russia or
china. You talk about we should
put mandates on people because
they're not responsible enough
to take personal responsibility.
that we need, we can't give them
the choice.
we need to impose it on them.
that's what I'm hearing.
they're to immature to make
their own choices whether to
wear a mask or not.
we have to mandate it on them.
I don't agree with that.
this is america that. Is the
american way.
people can make that decision.
officer 75% and in fact 75% is
above the threshold that
supposedly will give us herd
immunity.
after 75% we're still hearing
oh, it's not going to be the
vaccine.
what will it be?
cheri pie?
so, anyways mr. City manager f
you think you have the ability
to make that decision on your
own please go ahead.
I don't agree that the city
manager should be given that
responsibility we should take it
on.
we're the ones people elected.
if we're making, if people are
listening to me now in four
years they can say that douglas
didn't do enough to protect our
community.
we are voting him out.
they didn't elect the city
manager.
let's us take the heat for it.
>> there is a motion pending.
>> commissioner scuotto.
>> he's in the building working
every day, we're not.
if he feels 300 people are in
the building, 200 are vaccinated
and 100 are not.
if he wants to protect -- wait.
>> -- this mask mandate is for
the public also.
it's not just staff.
when there is a mask mandate the
public has to do the same.
>> -- they're working in the
building.
he wants to feel comfortable
with the people.
>> are you suggesting we have a
mandate for staff but the public
gets to choose what they want to
do.
>> we will get back to the same
thing that happened in the
beginning.
we were the first cities to shut
down because the county didn't
want to shut down.
the county wanted to open we
were the last to open.
it will start again.
whether we're together as 31
municipalities or everyone does
their own thing.
that's the problem we can't
agree on everything.
everyone does their own thing.
>> this isn't just about staff.
when we have a city wide mandate
it affects the public using the
building.
are we prepared to tell the
public they now have to come
here wearing a mask.
the city manager, when this came
up the city manager said I have
the authority to deal with my
staff.
I want to hear from the
commission about imposing it for
the public.
>> those behind the public
service counter have a mask.
now the residents come up to
them with no mask.
I'm saying maybe our employees
are not feeling comfortable.
>> let's call a spade a spade.
a virus is so tiny you can't see
it with a micro scope.
you have to use a special micro
scope.
do you think the masks protect
us?
>> no.
>> this is false safety.
the virus flies through that.
we're all wrapped up in a mask.
who has one on that side and
this side.
it's false security.
we, we probably have all taken
basic science and know that
viruses are smaller than
bacterias.
you can't see it with a regular
micro scope.
what makes us think a cloth mask
or these things we put on
protect us?
then it's not the vaccine.
if we can't be protected --
>> mayor ryan, I would say to
end this, I would leave it to
the two chiefs in the back of
the room for what they want to
do in their building.
city manager you have whatever
right in your building until
someone calls a special meeting
and puts it on the agenda and
we're going to do a vote.
would I just say you have
whatever information that just
came out today from cdc, the
county, the school board,
whatever.
put your sign up in the window
if you feel and the same with
the two chiefs to do the same.
that if they feel comfortable
saying due to these times until
we figure out if we're doing a
mask mandate but if we can't
come to an agreement tonight to
do a mandate or whatever then I
would just leave it to you as
the person of this building and
then -- not only for this
building and every other
municipality building that other
people are at.
leisure services or whatever.
for now until we can have a
special meeting.
to figure out what it is.
>> commissioner scuotto, I
appreciate that.
thank you for that suggestion.
I want to be, I want to be
clear.
my request for a mask mandate is
not unamerican.
this is not me wanting to be
russia.
it's not unpatriotic to request
a mask mandate.
the suggestion of that is
hyperbole at best and offensive
at worst.
I understand --
>> what I said your principle of
imposing on people because you
think --
>> you're interrupting.
>> -- that's the portion.
[inaudible]
>> alright.
please.
>> that again --
>> hold on.
the mayor has the floor.
>> mayor ryan, we don't go
around and around.
>> mr. Scuotto, the mayor has
the floor.
I will recognize you next.
mayor ryan.
>> that proves my point.
that is what is consuming the
nation and our state.
I am requesting this mask
mandate not because I'm
unamerican or I want to dictate.
these are the same arguments
made in 1918 pandemic, and the
people who said no this isn't
what we should do.
it turns out we haven't
progressed in a hundred years in
that regard.
based on what the school board
has done, county, cdc, local
businesses are doing what we
should do to protect the mission
is very basic.
it's a request and mandate a
mask be worn.
we can address the issues what
happens if it isn't.
our job is to protect employees.
I believe mark has the
responsibility and obligation
and authority.
I will admit it is difficult for
the city manager.
when we leave here tonight if
one or more of us are in
disagreement with mark decides
he will get an earful.
he will get grief in all sorts
of ways.
so, this is the problem of
simply saying give it to mark to
make a decision.
I think that's a fare point if
we can agree he has the
authority to do it without
interference.
I believe we should mandate as
has been done in other cities
and counties.
that's my motion.
>> alright.
so I have one more comment, mr.
the mayor is a very smart man.
I had give that to him.
(lost audio)
or yesterday or last friday.
it has been rising record
numbers since last week.
clearly it was a concern for the
mayor.
the mayor would have had this
notion that I want to bring to
this commission that we should
change directions.
which is fine.
if you're not prepared to change
your mind on something you
shouldn't govern.
you will ambush this evening
without putting it on.
then expect just for us to just
vote because we're under
pressure.
no, you could of put it on.
you put on many things the day
of a commission meeting.
yellow sheets and all.
then you make it look like, oh
you phis are not looking to
protect staff.
you could of put it on.
you know what you did.
you wanted to back us in the
corner today.
I'm not going to make that
pressure make me make that
decision.
>> I would say.
>> scuotto.
>> -- we don't even have to
direct.
you can hear what we're saying.
call a special meeting.
I'm not going to be here for the
rest of the week.
so --
>> it's the mayor's job to call
a special meeting or the thee of
us request it.
>> hold on.
taking order of this.
I would like to comment
sometime.
you guys just keep going.
>> okay.
I'm standing here --
>> sorry. Do you have comments?
>> no.
>> I'm not prepared to make a
vote on a mask mandate this
evening.
I don't know the legal
repercussions or what will
happen.
I want to talk with kim, speak
with the city manager.
that's my position.
I'm in position of having a
special meeting when the mayor
calls that.
I'm not in a position to vote on
a mask mandate this evening.
not saying I won't vote next
week.
I'm not in this position.
for point of order mayor ryan
has made a motion.
do I open this to public comment
with a motion.
>> I don't think I heard a
second.
>> alright.
is from a second on that motion?
is there a second on the motion?
hearing no second the motion
fails.
>> motion to adjourn.
>> hold on we have a couple of
items.
>> .
what.
>> there is city manager report.
first of all my report.
I wave.
city manager report.
>> no report.
>> thank you.
>> city clerk report.
>> no report.
>> city attorney report.
>> I won't give a report, thank
you.
>> is there any other business
on tonight's agenda or a motion.
>> motion to adjourn.
>> motion to adjourn by
commissioner douglas.
>> no, I want to make sure that
until we have the meeting that
we leave it up to the two chiefs
for their building, and to
mr. Lubelski.
not about a mandate but posting
what has happened whatever.
>> the city manager said earlier
that people have, we have
acknowledged that people have
largely been going by the, I
guess you call it the directive.
hey, it's in your interest to
wear a mask.
think people are largely doing
that.
the chief back there.
he's in a uniquely strong
position with a military
structure.
I tell you what to do.
do you it.
I'm the chief.
you're the deputy chief.
you're the major.
you're the lieutenant.
you're the sergeant.
you know you follow orders.
I don't think it should be too
difficult for him to get people.
mr. Fire chief, please help us.
>> I think it's without saying
the city manager and city --
>> you won't get your 2.5% if
you don't speak up.
>> I have a family.
I have to go.
>> we need a motion to adjourn
when commissioner scuotto.
>> motion to adjourn.
>> seconds.
>> all in favor.
>> I.
>> meeting is adjourned.
thank you, everyone.