[1:56] Let's call to order the city
[1:57] commission meeting agenda for
[2:00] tuesday august 10th, 2021.
[2:02] ms. Bravo call the roll.
[2:05] >> mayor ryan.
[2:07] >> present.
[2:10] >> deputy mayor kerch.
[2:13] >> here.
[2:14] >> assistant deputy mayor g.
[2:16] >> here.
[2:17] >> commissioner scuotto.
[2:22] >> present.
[2:25] (calling roll)
[2:29] >> good afternoon again.
[2:31] the city commission meeting has
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[2:34] and public meeting.
[2:54] sunrise.fl.gov.
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[4:46] thank you.
[4:47] >> move onto item three.
[4:49] moment of silence and pledge of
[4:51] allegiance.
[4:52] commissioner scuotto to keep in
[4:57] our prayers.
[4:58] >> yes retired officer jack s.
[5:01] who has passed away, keep his
[5:03] family in our prayers.
[5:05] >> anyone else.
[5:06] >> okay.
[5:07] join me for a moment of silence
[5:09] and for the pledge of
[5:13] allegiance.
[5:21] >> I pledge allegiance to the
[5:23] flag of the united states of
[5:24] america.
[5:25] to the republic for which it
[5:28] stands, one nation under god,
[5:30] indivisible I believe with
[5:32] liberty and justice for all.
[5:43] >> perfect timing.
[5:44] >> we started the whole meeting
[5:46] over so you could be here.
[5:50] >> come on up, commissioner
[5:52] douglas.
[5:53] we're on the consent agenda
[5:56] items 4a through t.
[5:59] is there a motion.
[6:01] >> move it.
[6:02] >> second.
[6:03] >> moved which commissioner
[6:04] douglas.
[6:05] second by commissioner scuotto.
[6:08] any pulls from colleagues?
[6:10] any pulls from staff.
[6:12] >> no deputy mayor, no pulls.
[6:14] >> let's call the question again
[6:16] on items 4a through 4t.
[6:19] >> commissioner scuotto.
[6:25] >> yes.
[6:26] >> commissioner douglas.
[6:28] >> yes.
[6:29] >> assistant deputy mayor.
[6:32] >> yes,.
[6:33] >> deputy may mayor.
[6:34] >> yes.
[6:35] >> mayor ryan.
[6:36] >> yes.
[6:37] >> items passed 5-0.
[6:39] >> alright.
[6:40] 5a.
[6:41] special items.
[6:49] proclamation september 9th
[6:52] 2021 as mental health awareness
[6:55] day in the city of sunrise.
[6:57] mayor michael j. Ryan.
[6:58] >> deputy mayor, if I can one
[7:03] area to adhere he may want to
[7:07] say a few words before reading
[7:10] the proclamation.
[7:12] yes we have beth tash on-line.
[7:15] >> I'm taking over for beth
[7:18] tashe.
[7:20] I'm the spokeartment aouy mayor.
[7:22] >> state your name and we will
[7:25] turn the proceedings over for
[7:29] your comments.
[7:42] >> -- this year we're trying to
[7:46] double the amount in the city of
[7:48] sunrise.
[7:49] they have been onboard since day
[7:51] one.
[7:52] I embrace that, this great
[7:55] initiative that comes from the,
[7:58] the roots of broward county.
[8:02] we have hospitals.
[8:03] we have the va.
[8:05] we have the county.
[8:07] we have the cities supporting
[8:09] us.
[8:10] this year is september 9th,
[8:12] 2021.
[8:14] 100% virtual.
[8:15] we just made that decision last
[8:17] week.
[8:18] we are going to operate both
[8:20] in-person and virtual.
[8:22] because of the situation we are
[8:24] facing we want to be safe.
[8:26] so, it's free.
[8:27] this year, big change from last
[8:29] year.
[8:30] our sponsors came onboard,
[8:33] memorial health and the --
[8:37] foundation, ukg and thanks to
[8:41] them providing this sreut you'll
[8:44] event from 8:30 to 4:00.
[8:47] completely free to broward
[8:50] county residents and of course
[8:51] beyond this.
[8:52] is unprecedented.
[8:53] we're so proud to do that.
[8:57] I want to thank mayor ryan for
[8:59] supporting us and helping us
[9:00] with the proclamations.
[9:02] thank you so much.
[9:03] >> mayor ryan, any comments?
[9:07] >> thank you, of course this has
[9:10] been a collective effort by the
[9:12] city commission who has been
[9:13] behind this from the beginning
[9:15] along with city staff.
[9:17] gratitude to my colleagues
[9:20] working tirelessly with you over
[9:24] many years with you and your
[9:25] time.
[9:26] I appreciate your comments.
[9:27] I thank my colleagues for their
[9:29] support.
[9:33] >> mr. Douglas.
[9:34] >> yes.
[9:35] >> I'm recognized.
[9:37] thank you, deputy mayor.
[9:39] you know obviously mental health
[9:41] awareness is a significant issue
[9:45] in our community and broader
[9:48] united states.
[9:50] so it is important that as a
[9:52] city we have proclamations not
[9:57] just for show but to increase
[9:59] awareness.
[10:00] throughout what I feel is the
[10:05] past ten years.
[10:07] I think there has been an
[10:08] increase in the manifestation of
[10:10] mental health issues.
[10:11] my personal view is -- I'm not a
[10:18] clinician.
[10:21] think our brains are so
[10:22] overwhelmed by so many things.
[10:24] some is congenital, stress
[10:32] related, ptsd, some maybe
[10:36] temporary.y we're seeing a bit
[10:39] after the 2018 shooting it
[10:42] became more highlighted about
[10:43] the impact that untreated and
[10:47] unrecognized mental health
[10:49] challenges have on our
[10:51] community.
[10:52] it's there for a long time.
[10:53] I'm grateful now our communities
[10:56] trying to lift the veil off of,
[11:00] you know, mental health
[11:01] challenges as I have said in the
[11:03] past and commented on the
[11:04] issues.
[11:06] you know, if you have a physical
[11:08] alement, a broken arm or leg.
[11:11] something that manifests itself
[11:13] physically and is visible, your
[11:16] neighbors and your friends, who
[11:17] ever you interact with,
[11:19] generally try to help you.
[11:21] is your arm broken.
[11:23] can I help you open the door, do
[11:26] this, do that.
[11:27] people are againly sympathetic.
[11:29] we for so long have hidden
[11:31] behind mental health challenges
[11:33] because of the stigma.
[11:35] often times those who want to
[11:37] help are not given an
[11:38] opportunity to help.
[11:39] I understand also if one has a
[11:42] condition that subjects them to
[11:44] stigma they may not want to
[11:46] disclose this.
[11:47] part of the raising of the
[11:48] awareness is to lift the stigma
[11:52] associated with it.
[11:56] doing proclamations like these
[11:59] and sending it out to the
[12:00] community is something we ought
[12:01] to do.
[12:02] I commend it.
[12:03] thank you, mayor ryan.
[12:04] >> thank you.
[12:06] thank you, very much.
[12:09] >> commissioner scuotto?
[12:13] >> no, mayor.
[12:14] >> deputy mayor.
[12:16] >> yes.
[12:17] as a city of commission I'm glad
[12:18] we're all in sync with
[12:20] supporting this proclamation.
[12:22] I wanted to ask chief rosa to
[12:25] give me insight behind the
[12:27] scenes with the police
[12:28] department how they're handling
[12:29] the same crisis as well.
[12:31] >> chief rosa.
[12:37] >> thank you, commissioner.
[12:40] so, as far as mental health goes
[12:43] within the police department
[12:44] we're handling it from two
[12:46] aspects.
[12:47] how we interact with the public
[12:49] on a mental health crisis and
[12:51] how we handle ourselves if there
[12:53] is a issue with a police officer
[12:55] and a member.
[12:58] from an over all perspective
[13:00] crisis intervention train south
[13:03] backbone of everything we do in
[13:04] the police department.
[13:06] my goal is to get the entire
[13:08] department trained with formal
[13:10] crisis training.
[13:12] we're well on our way there.
[13:13] this is an on going effort by
[13:15] multiple police departments.
[13:17] we're successful in getting our
[13:19] people through the classes.
[13:21] then from there we are doing
[13:22] everything from inhouse
[13:24] training.
[13:25] what I mean by inhouse training
[13:26] is we discuss in small groups
[13:30] and scenarios on how to handle
[13:33] certain situations.
[13:34] what I mean by that is we have
[13:36] had a shift in how we handle
[13:39] calls.
[13:40] someone is in crisis, life
[13:42] threatening and something we may
[13:43] look at is endangering life one
[13:46] way or another to themselves or
[13:48] someone else we have shifted
[13:51] from years ago.
[13:52] police officers are problem
[13:54] selves.
[13:55] we want to get it done with and
[13:56] move onto the next thing.
[13:57] we have gonna way from that.
[13:59] now we're handling those where
[14:01] we're not forcing a intersection
[14:04] with anyone in a mental health
[14:06] crisis or having a mental health
[14:08] episode.
[14:09] I think we have realized.
[14:11] a lot is due to the training.
[14:13] we have realized we have time.
[14:16] we can handle it.
[14:18] we're doing things.
[14:19] we're talk ing about it.
[14:20] we're dehe is ka hating.
[14:22] we're approaching this not from
[14:25] an aggressive or imposing
[14:27] manner.
[14:28] a police officer shows up and
[14:31] you have a crisis, you're
[14:33] instantly creating a situation.
[14:35] in some cases it may appear to
[14:37] be aggressive to the person.
[14:40] we're intentionally not doing
[14:42] that.
[14:43] we're doing all we can to
[14:45] contain the situation.
[14:46] doing it in a manner that is con
[14:48] dousive to the situation.
[14:50] they we're taking to the people.
[14:52] I will give you ap example we
[14:54] had a person in a crisis with a
[14:57] firearm.
[14:58] after several hours it was
[14:59] resolved peacefully and we got
[15:01] the person the help they needed.
[15:03] has ben ral terms and this is
[15:05] more to it.
[15:06] what we're doing as an agency
[15:08] and respond to the crisises.
[15:10] from a I sternal perspective.
[15:12] this has been going on a little
[15:14] bit.
[15:15] a little slower of a evolution
[15:16] in policing and this work.
[15:19] there has been a reluck stands,
[15:22] historically, to act there is an
[15:25] issue.
[15:26] I think as we bring new officers
[15:28] on and new ideas on the culture
[15:30] is changing.
[15:31] so we have a program we're
[15:36] working on.
[15:37] we're starting out looking,
[15:39] we're doing a peer monitoring
[15:42] type thing.
[15:43] including supervisors watching
[15:46] for signs of other officers and
[15:47] employees in the police
[15:49] department under stress and
[15:51] getting people help the need.
[15:54] to take that a step further
[15:55] we're looking at creating a
[15:58] program where we're in the
[15:59] process now of identifying
[16:01] police officers that other other
[16:04] officers would be comfortable
[16:06] talking to and creating a peer
[16:08] support program.
[16:09] to do that we, we plan on
[16:12] identifying the officers and
[16:14] partnering with city mental
[16:18] health officials to structure
[16:20] this program.
[16:22] the officers will do something
[16:24] similar to what the fire
[16:26] department has with the critical
[16:29] incident debriefings and stuff
[16:31] like that.
[16:32] >> thank you.
[16:33] >> thank you.
[16:34] >> chief, if I may.
[16:35] >> commissioner scuotto.
[16:38] >> touching on what you mentiond
[16:39] with that.
[16:40] I think it's a great idea you
[16:42] have a -- I'm sure it's not just
[16:45] sunrise but cities across the
[16:47] country.
[16:49] you mention, that's with
[16:54] anybody, when someone feels
[16:56] comfortable talking to someone
[16:58] else that's very important.
[17:00] a lot of times people feel they
[17:02] don't have someone to talk
[17:03] about.
[17:04] when you talk about something
[17:05] where the police officers are
[17:06] confronted by different things
[17:07] going on scene, whether it's
[17:09] something that has been affected
[17:13] them on multiple scenes over the
[17:16] years plus family issues they
[17:18] could have.
[17:19] some could be veterans or
[17:21] whatever they take to the job.
[17:25] I spoke to you about this
[17:27] probably a year or so ago.
[17:29] that was about having mental
[17:32] health people within the
[17:33] department.
[17:35] I'm not looking to add people
[17:38] but I'm saying when you just
[17:40] brought up that if an officer
[17:42] feels comfortable talking to a
[17:45] peer I don't want it to be that
[17:47] now these police officers are
[17:48] handling problems from other
[17:50] officers.
[17:51] which is good to get them
[17:53] through what they need to.
[17:54] but you don't want other
[17:58] employees now handling problems
[18:00] that they may even.
[18:03] have now they're taking on more.
[18:04] I mentioned this to you before
[18:17] personal.
[18:18] if we could talk about this
[18:20] further, who and what in a
[18:22] department we can put someone or
[18:23] multiple people.
[18:25] same when covid hit we started
[18:27] the compassionate hotline where
[18:29] people called in, you know, and
[18:32] we were retrieving this
[18:33] information.
[18:36] I think it would be great for
[18:38] you guys to start this and have
[18:40] your peers retrieving
[18:42] information.
[18:43] again I don't want police
[18:44] officers or sergeants,
[18:45] lieutenants, handling the burden
[18:48] of their own employees that they
[18:50] need to -- it's good to know if
[18:55] someone -- we have had our fare
[19:02] share of people taking th*r own
[19:03] lives.
[19:04] I don't want that burden on our
[19:16] employees.
[19:17] I think this needs to be a major
[19:18] discussion as what to do as a
[19:21] city to help our employees.
[19:25] we have well over a thousand
[19:27] employees.
[19:28] at any given time we can have
[19:30] someone affected by something.
[19:32] I think it's a good start with
[19:33] the peer, but I don't want it to
[19:40] be multiple people being
[19:43] overwhelmed with issues from
[19:45] other people.
[19:46] you know, they went to school
[19:48] for it, they're a police officer
[19:50] that's a psychologist or
[19:52] whatever.
[19:53] I gist couldn't want it to
[19:55] become you know something like
[19:57] that.
[19:59] >> there are, what I didn't
[20:01] mention is part of this over all
[20:03] program, this is something the
[20:04] sunrise police department does
[20:07] haven't dedicated to us, it's a
[20:09] research thing.
[20:10] other agents do.
[20:12] a police chaplin type situation.
[20:14] we don't have one dedicated to
[20:16] us.
[20:17] we have the county and use other
[20:19] agencies when we need that.
[20:20] that is a part of the program
[20:22] we're looking to evaluate.
[20:27] >> thank you.
[20:28] >> thank you, obviously.
[20:30] he brought something up.
[20:32] in addition I want to comment on
[20:34] what you said.
[20:35] in addition I had my own
[20:36] thoughts this.
[20:37] is hippa.
[20:42] you know medical stuff.
[20:44] and here is something I think
[20:47] this person is a danger or I
[20:49] think this is actionable or
[20:51] something to report.
[20:52] then you have the challenge of
[20:53] okay the guy trusts me to talk
[20:55] to me.
[20:56] he shared this with me, now what
[20:58] is my responsibility to break
[21:02] confidence.
[21:03] so, I think those who are in a,
[21:07] for medical position, they would
[21:10] have their various professional
[21:14] responsibility outlined as to
[21:17] when they break these kinds of
[21:23] confidential rules.
[21:28] I can see the challenge of me
[21:29] telling someone something that
[21:31] has affected me.
[21:33] they don't have a ethical or
[21:35] other obligation to keep the
[21:36] confidence.
[21:37] what if they don't.
[21:41] then skw-pbtly a investigation
[21:43] occurs and they hear he share
[21:46] the information with the
[21:47] colleague.
[21:48] I can see the challenge from
[21:55] that perspective.
[21:56] there is also a challenge,
[21:58] they're yielding kpwupz.
[22:00] I don't think the guy who has a
[22:02] temporary stress related issue
[22:05] relate today divorce or some
[22:08] other trauma wants to share it
[22:10] and then get, we talked about
[22:13] stigma jut now.
[22:16] that we should take his gun away
[22:19] or send him -- even if paid
[22:22] leave, hippa or whatever it is
[22:25] that would be cons kw-pbs of
[22:28] having disclosed this.
[22:29] so, I can see the aoufrbg
[22:31] challenge you would face in a
[22:34] department having people come
[22:35] out and say I am going through
[22:37] this.
[22:39] even with the challenges I think
[22:42] it's important to the extent
[22:45] that we do the police are going
[22:48] through fire fighters showing up
[22:50] on the scene with all kinds of
[22:52] trauma. People in various
[22:55] conditions resulting from
[22:57] accidents, bullet wounds or what
[22:59] not.
[23:00] I can't imagine they're not
[23:03] affected even temporarily
[23:05] showing up to see these things.
[23:07] I think there is a delicate
[23:09] balance to be struck.
[23:10] between having someone disclose
[23:13] and at the same time refusing to
[23:16] address it.
[23:17] I commend any efforts that you
[23:19] can take to address this.
[23:23] thank my colleague for bringing
[23:26] it forward to address it.
[23:28] we're talking about mental
[23:30] health awareness in sunrise.
[23:31] we have to start at home.
[23:33] thank you, sir.
[23:34] >> thank you, sir.
[23:35] >> thank you, chief.
[23:36] any comments, chair.
[23:39] >> yes to the public.
[23:44] what you heard is the unanimous
[23:46] view of raising awareness.
[23:48] I'm so proud to serve along with
[23:50] my colleagues.
[23:51] the passionate and eloquent
[23:53] words of each of them.
[23:55] showing that sun vies is tkwhaog
[23:57] they can do to lift the vail.
[24:02] chief, thank you for your
[24:05] commitment to the training.
[24:06] it's very important to continue
[24:08] to invest heavily in that. To
[24:11] the commissioners, your points
[24:12] are so well taken regarding the
[24:14] first responders.
[24:16] there are programs out there
[24:17] that have become more robust
[24:20] with virtual therapy and virtual
[24:22] counseling.
[24:24] I know that the chief and chief
[24:28] rosa in the post ptsd setting.
[24:33] I hope going forward we can
[24:36] offer these to all employees as
[24:37] a model of support, compassion
[24:40] and empath.y as commissioner
[24:42] douglas pointed out.
[24:44] commissioner scuotto pointed
[24:47] out.
[24:48] being a tentative to hippa and
[24:52] privacy.
[24:53] hopefully this is another step
[24:55] forward for sunrise.
[24:56] I'm proud of my colleagues,
[24:59] thank you.
[25:00] >> anyone else?
[25:01] >> thank you for being here.
[25:03] for those who may want to attend
[25:06] the virtual event on 9-9-21 from
[25:12] 8:30 to 4:00 is this a website?
[25:14] what kind of information do we
[25:16] need to attend that.
[25:17] >> it's --
[25:21] [inaudible]
[25:24] broward.mentalhealthsummit.0rg.
[25:31] it's easy go there and hit the
[25:34] link to take advantage of the
[25:36] four sessions on
[25:38] september 9th.
[25:39] >> thank you.
[25:40] thank you for accepting the
[25:41] proclamation.
[25:42] I will read that now.
[25:43] broward mental health summit day
[25:46] where as mental illness affects
[25:48] thoughts, feelings, behaviors
[25:50] and inter action with others and
[25:53] stigma of mental I amness.
[25:56] must be address sod nobody feels
[25:59] shame in seeking health with
[26:01] treatment.
[26:02] where as recent tragedies
[26:04] require that our communities
[26:06] engage in meaningful education
[26:08] and discussion to identify the
[26:10] early signs of mental illness in
[26:12] order to take charge of the
[26:14] situation and reverse it before
[26:15] it gets worst.
[26:17] and where as in addition to the
[26:21] recent tragedies according to
[26:23] the april 2020 data brief of the
[26:26] cdcs national center for
[26:28] health statistic understand in
[26:30] 2018 there were 48,344 recorded
[26:35] suicides in the united states.
[26:37] the annual u.s. Suicide rate
[26:41] increased 35% between 1999 and
[26:45] 2018.
[26:47] where as according to the
[26:48] foundation for suicide
[26:50] prevention on average there are
[26:54] 123 suicides per day in the
[26:56] united states.
[26:57] and where as in response to the
[27:00] need of identifying and treating
[27:02] mental illness a grass root
[27:05] effort was upped take not by the
[27:07] principal mental health
[27:09] providers in broward county
[27:12] including county, federal
[27:13] government, private sector and
[27:15] non profit organizations to join
[27:17] forces in a historic effort to
[27:21] increase awareness by holding a
[27:24] virtual summit for the public
[27:28] for free.
[27:30] where as the fourth annual
[27:32] prouard mental health summit
[27:34] titled bouncing back together.
[27:37] wellness, empowerment, resilient
[27:41] and connection is presented by
[27:43] memorial healthcare system, ukg
[27:48] and the sheriff tpoupgs of
[27:49] broward county bringing together
[27:51] the leading hath providers in
[27:53] south florida.
[27:55] from county, federal, private,
[27:58] non profit and academia to
[28:00] discuss the current issues
[28:02] affecting all populations.
[28:05] where as erin wanting to learn
[28:07] about the mental health issues
[28:09] facing our communities.
[28:10] whether you're a healthcare
[28:12] provider, first responder,
[28:14] community leader, business
[28:15] leader, elected official or a
[28:18] concerned resident you will walk
[28:20] away from the historic broward
[28:24] mental health summit with
[28:26] concrete data, information tools
[28:30] for those tpaebgted by mental
[28:32] health issues.
[28:33] and where as we hope the general
[28:36] public understands it's affects
[28:38] on the residents and businesses
[28:41] in the city of sunrise.
[28:42] the city of sunrise remains
[28:46] aware of combating stigma.
[28:52] there I on be half of michael j.
[28:54] ryan the mayor of the city of
[28:57] sunrise, florida, with the city
[28:59] commission proclaim
[29:01] september 9th, 2021 as broward
[29:04] mental health summit day in the
[29:06] city of sunrise.
[29:07] thank you, mr. Ayres for being
[29:15] here.
[29:16] we will make sure the
[29:17] proclamation is isn't to you.
[29:18] >> thank you.
[29:22] >> let's move onto city items
[29:26] 6a.
[29:27] appointment.
[29:29] resolution of the city of
[29:32] sunrise, florida, a pointing a
[29:34] member to the unsafe structures
[29:36] board, and providing an
[29:39] effective date.
[29:40] city manager mark l., fell ish
[29:44] ya bravo, city.
[29:47] clerk.
[29:48] >> moved.
[29:49] >> seconded.
[29:50] >> commissioner scuotto and
[29:53] commissioner douglas.
[29:54] >> we have a vacant see.
[29:56] >> yes, for property manager on
[29:57] the unsafe structure board for
[30:00] quite some time.
[30:01] we were fortunate enough to get
[30:03] an application from martha
[30:09] welling ton.
[30:10] >> a motion.
[30:12] >> a second.
[30:13] >> a motion and a second.
[30:15] any further discussion?
[30:26] >> alright.
[30:27] call the vote.
[30:28] department utility mayor.
[30:29] >> yes.
[30:30] >> commissioner s.
[30:34] >> yes,.
[30:35] >> commissioner d.
[30:36] >> yes,.
[30:37] >> assistant deputy mayor.
[30:38] >> yes,.
[30:39] >> mayor ryan.
[30:40] >> yes.
[30:41] >> any motion to move up the
[30:43] public hearings.
[30:44] >> go ahead move it.
[30:45] >> motion by commissioner
[30:49] scuotto.
[30:51] second I by assistant deputy
[30:53] mayor.
[30:54] 12a.
[30:57] amendment.
[30:58] commission discussion and/or
[31:00] action refirst reading of an
[31:03] ordinance of the city of
[31:05] sunrise, florida, extending
[31:12] section 2 of ordinance number
[31:16] 654 as amended through
[31:19] november 16th, 2021 and
[31:21] functioning as the ninth
[31:22] extension and sunrise
[31:25] emergency --
[31:26] >> move it.
[31:27] >> motion by commissioner
[31:29] scuotto.
[31:31] >> second.
[31:32] >> second by assistant deputy
[31:35] mayor.
[31:36] discussion among colleagues.
[31:38] >> I have a comment, question.
[31:39] >> floor is yours, mr. Douglas.
[31:42] >> mr. Lebowski, in the past
[31:47] when we have made amendments to
[31:51] this ordinance it was for --
[31:55] increments, is that correct?
[31:58] >> roughly 60 day increments.
[32:05] >> 60 days ?
[32:06] >> roughly.
[32:07] >> right now we're at although
[32:09] september, october.
[32:11] we are going into november.
[32:12] is there a particular reason
[32:14] we're --
[32:16] >> second reading of this
[32:18] wouldn't occur until the second
[32:20] meeting in september the 13th
[32:21] which would be right around 60
[32:23] days.
[32:24] >> the 14th.
[32:25] >> the previous amendment is in
[32:27] effect?
[32:28] >> yes, correct.
[32:30] >> okay.
[32:31] that's all.
[32:36] >> any other comments on this
[32:40] one?
[32:42] >> no.
[32:43] >> mayor ryan.
[32:44] >> as a reminder we need to open
[32:48] up for a public hearing.
[32:49] >> thank you.
[32:50] >> I will open up the public
[32:53] hearing.
[32:54] anyone wishing to speak please
[32:56] step forward.
[32:57] >> no one in the public stepping
[33:00] forward.
[33:01] anyone on the phone wishing to
[33:02] make any comments please hit the
[33:05] 5 star feature.
[33:08] >> I have no one from the public
[33:10] asking to speak.
[33:11] >> alright.
[33:12] I will close public hearing.
[33:16] >> any comments, rare ryan, on
[33:18] this one?
[33:19] >> no, sir.
[33:20] thank you.
[33:21] >> call the question.
[33:22] >> assistant department utility
[33:23] mayor.
[33:24] >> yes.
[33:25] >> deputy mayor.
[33:26] >> yes.
[33:27] >> commissioner scuotto.
[33:29] >> yes.
[33:30] >> commissioner douglas.
[33:31] >> yes.
[33:32] >> mayor ryan.
[33:33] >> yes.
[33:34] >> the item passes 5-0 I skipped
[33:38] over open discussion.
[33:39] I would like to go back.
[33:40] I know a couple are on the phone
[33:43] scienced up for that. Is it
[33:44] okay.
[33:45] >> motion to open up 7.
[33:47] >> second.
[33:48] >> motion to open up 7,
[33:50] seconded.
[33:51] all in favor say I.
[33:52] >> I.
[33:53] >> open discussion we have first
[33:54] one on the sheet is paula c.
[33:59] come on up.
[34:07] >> go ahead and state your name,
[34:09] address please.
[34:10] >> my name is paula c.
[34:12] I live on northwest 101st
[34:15] avenue.
[34:16] I feel like jack nicholson
[34:18] saying I'm back.
[34:19] I won't.
[34:20] >> if you don't mind speaking
[34:22] directly into the microphone.
[34:24] we don't hear so well up here.
[34:28] >> you missed the punchline.
[34:31] I appreciate mental health
[34:33] awareness day.
[34:35] I am a teacher.
[34:36] I'm a teacher of 15 years I
[34:38] taught emotionally behaved
[34:41] disturbed kids.
[34:43] I know the need and I teach ese
[34:47] students in general.
[34:48] I appreciate that.
[34:49] I am here simply.
[34:52] I heard unsafe structures.
[34:54] I am here because we do have a
[34:57] continuing issue with that wall.
[34:59] I'm sorry with our fences on nob
[35:02] hill.
[35:03] again a few weeks ago a car went
[35:06] through.
[35:07] those people were lucky because
[35:09] they have -- in the back yard.
[35:13] it didn't go into their pool.
[35:15] my next door neighbor johnson
[35:19] salis, they have children.
[35:22] the car went through their back
[35:25] yard last year.
[35:26] last year?
[35:28] last year sometime, there is so
[35:31] much too, my goodness so.
[35:33] to address with this.
[35:35] I appreciate definitely
[35:37] appreciate assistant deputy for
[35:39] your dedication to helping us
[35:41] solve this issue.
[35:43] >> yes.
[35:44] >> sean from the city did a
[35:45] wonderful job explaining to me
[35:47] the costs that would be incurred
[35:50] through trying to put a wall up.
[35:54] but as I mentioned I am an ese
[35:57] teacher.
[35:58] I teach 72 children a day how to
[36:01] read.
[36:02] everyone gets taught a different
[36:03] way.
[36:04] I know there are other solutions
[36:05] to this.
[36:06] I know something can get done.
[36:07] I am hoping that we can possibly
[36:10] talk about a guard rail.
[36:12] then again I don't want to be
[36:13] the only one on the street that
[36:14] says let's put a guard rail.
[36:18] can we consider also large
[36:20] trees.
[36:21] beautiful landscape.
[36:23] like we all know when we drive
[36:26] down nob hill towards
[36:27] plantation, the landscaping is
[36:30] gorgeous.
[36:31] that area we live in near josh
[36:34] lee is just, it lacks safety,
[36:36] most of all.
[36:39] it could be addressed with
[36:41] beauty, large trees, beautiful
[36:44] maybe fox tail around it.
[36:46] just something to disguise those
[36:48] guard rails that I would like to
[36:52] see get put up to protect us
[36:56] from any tragedy.
[37:00] god forbid a car goes through
[37:02] the fence and our neighbors are
[37:03] entertaining.
[37:04] we have a much bigger issue.
[37:07] >> I want to recap.
[37:08] if that's okay.
[37:10] july 31st last year this was
[37:12] brought to the commission.
[37:14] it was requested to get
[37:15] information.
[37:16] back ground on putting a wall.
[37:19] mark lubelski, I don't know if
[37:25] you want to address that.
[37:27] thank you for being here and
[37:29] advocating.
[37:30] >> thank you.
[37:31] I have been here, I have lived
[37:32] on that street over 25 years.
[37:34] I have seen my kids get garbage
[37:41] thrown over the fence and get
[37:43] hit in the head with a coke can.
[37:45] I'm sure you don't want us to
[37:47] live through this.
[37:48] >> no, there has been on going
[37:50] discussion.
[37:51] I believe there are utility
[37:52] issues related to that issue.
[37:53] I think mr. Lubelski can address
[37:57] concerns and a proposal going
[38:00] forward for the city commission.
[38:02] >> thank you, department utility
[38:04] mayor.
[38:05] over the past 15 years city
[38:06] staff has periodically evaluated
[38:09] a wall at this location.
[38:12] previously determined
[38:15] utilities -- high voltage lines,
[38:24] comcast and school structures
[38:27] have to be relocated this.
[38:29] is a minimum of $1.125 million.
[38:32] the over all cost of the project
[38:34] would exceed over $2 million for
[38:36] 860 feet of linear feet of wall.
[38:39] in addition the high voltage
[38:42] lines need to be relocated to
[38:44] the east side of nob hill road
[38:46] and prohibit a wall installation
[38:49] on the east side of nob hill.
[38:52] based upon the high costs
[38:55] associated I recommend the
[38:57] installation of a guard rail
[39:00] with landscaping as referenced
[39:03] by the resident in the swale
[39:06] along the roadway.
[39:08] we have had conversations with
[39:10] the resident and reached out to
[39:11] the -- association.
[39:15] based on those discussions we
[39:17] have support for the insurance
[39:20] installation and landscaping on
[39:22] that corridor.
[39:23] that's what staff is
[39:24] recommending at this point.
[39:26] >> mr. Douglas.
[39:28] >> with respect to the comment
[39:29] by the resident regarding the
[39:31] nature of the landscape.
[39:33] large trees, beautiful trees.
[39:35] would the utility issues that
[39:36] currently exist which are cost
[39:38] prohibited to move also impact
[39:44] our ability to put large trees
[39:48] in the space?
[39:49] >> that's a good question.
[39:50] so the utility issues are
[39:51] primarily behind the sidewalk in
[39:54] the residents back yard.
[39:57] the swale is relatively clear.
[39:59] however, there are guidelines
[40:02] and requirements we have to
[40:04] satisfy for landscaping.
[40:06] I'm confident we will fit
[40:08] landscaping in there to buffer
[40:10] the guard rail and provide
[40:13] beautification.
[40:14] to the extent.
[40:17] size of the trees --
[40:22] >> there is a qualitative
[40:24] difference between one landscape
[40:26] and the other.
[40:27] I want, I don't want an
[40:29] expectation to be created in
[40:32] terms of the nature of the
[40:36] landscape.
[40:38] I know for bet are or worst we
[40:40] fit trees no space that's are
[40:45] not appropriate.
[40:46] a beautiful oak and then it's a
[40:49] 30-year-old oak and it's not
[40:51] appropriate for the location.
[40:53] so you know landscaping can be a
[40:55] shrub.
[40:56] it can be oak.
[40:58] I mean, I think the expectation
[41:01] would be a full tree like what
[41:08] is neighboring.
[41:09] maybe they had adequate set
[41:12] backs at the time they were
[41:13] planted and utilities were, you
[41:15] know -- I want to make sure when
[41:17] we say landscaping are we
[41:19] talking about you know alexander
[41:24] palms or oaks or --
[41:26] >> that's a good question.
[41:27] so when staff looked at this.
[41:33] we didn't get g. Into in depth
[41:37] design we talked about shrubs
[41:39] and palm trao*es as mentioned
[41:41] whether they're fox tails or
[41:43] mont tkpwopl raoez or something
[41:45] to that affect.
[41:46] we need to look at it's really
[41:48] the setback from the roadway of
[41:50] how close you can put trees.
[41:53] that would be our vision to do
[41:54] pockets of palm trees with a,
[41:58] with shrubs along that.
[42:00] >> the alexander doesn't stop
[42:02] much of a car.
[42:04] I presume large fox tales.
[42:06] >> knot purpose --
[42:08] >> it's suppose to be
[42:09] supplemental and the trees would
[42:11] provide supplemental safety if
[42:13] someone was to get, you know,
[42:16] run off the road.
[42:17] >> the primary purpose of the
[42:19] landscaping is to add
[42:22] beautification, the guard rail
[42:25] provides the safety as
[42:26] referenced there.
[42:30] >> I.
[42:31] >> deputy mayor, have a caller
[42:33] with their hand raised.
[42:34] >> we will get to them when
[42:36] commissioner scuotto finishes.
[42:40] >> so mr -- comes to us for
[42:44] coaching.
[42:45] I went to high school with him
[42:46] like 35 years ago.
[42:48] this issue of, I'm saying your
[42:51] neighborhood has been coming up
[42:55] here more than the 15 years that
[42:57] mark said.
[42:58] the answer always was the
[43:00] utility and stuff.
[43:01] I think staff has come up with
[43:04] something that is very
[43:06] substantial.
[43:07] we have done this in other
[43:10] communities.
[43:11] we did this, the guard rail
[43:13] around a park.
[43:16] that was inside the
[43:17] neighborhood.
[43:18] I think the guard rail we did it
[43:19] for sac the community at sac
[43:23] field.
[43:24] we did the wood barricade.
[43:27] this one I don't know if we
[43:29] could do wood or metal.
[43:32] we want something nice.
[43:34] regarding plantation.
[43:35] plantation doesn't have anything
[43:36] on the swale.
[43:38] this is something the city of
[43:41] sunrise would do to protect on
[43:43] the swale side.
[43:44] we can't go on the opposite side
[43:47] of the sidewalk.
[43:48] what commissioner douglas said
[43:50] about the rooting and all of
[43:52] that. Leave that to staff to --
[43:55] I think the guard rail is the
[43:57] safety I just called mark the
[43:58] other day, before the weekend, I
[44:01] said you're getting a call from
[44:03] them again.
[44:04] someone hit the little fence and
[44:06] the comcast thing.
[44:09] I said it's not all the way
[44:11] through.
[44:12] they hit it again.
[44:13] so staff, you guys know what it
[44:16] is that you can put on that, it
[44:19] is a lie trafficked road.
[44:21] we understand that.
[44:22] it's also in front of a school.
[44:24] we're limited on the swale part.
[44:27] where you get close to the
[44:29] boulevard.
[44:30] there is the enough.
[44:31] there is no irrigation to put in
[44:33] there.
[44:34] when you come to joshly there
[44:38] isn't much.
[44:39] on the swale side it's not
[44:41] something we normally do.
[44:43] besides sac and what we did for
[44:46] wellby we are now encroaching on
[44:49] the swale side to protect
[44:51] something.
[44:52] they will come up with something
[44:53] nice.
[44:54] the oaks and stuff like, that I
[44:56] think that will be more of a
[44:59] problem going into the
[45:00] electrical and stuff.
[45:01] some of these big palms, just
[45:04] for you know, landscape purpose.
[45:07] then again.
[45:09] we don't want to do hedges in
[45:12] front of the whole guard rail.
[45:13] then we constantly replace.
[45:16] then, right.
[45:17] I'm sure staff will get to you.
[45:21] show you renderings.
[45:24] the safety first is the guard
[45:25] rail.
[45:26] I don't care if it's palm trees.
[45:28] if we can't the guard rail you
[45:30] need that first.
[45:32] if we get trees in there that's
[45:34] helpful.
[45:35] I don't want to replace hedges
[45:37] bays people are constantly
[45:38] ripping them out too. Then it's
[45:42] an eye sore and a headache to
[45:44] us.
[45:45] then about irrigation.
[45:46] I'm sure they want to plan like
[45:52] a zero scape or whatever it is
[45:54] where we don't have to put in
[45:56] irrigation and cut the road and
[45:58] tie it somewhere.
[46:00] I'm sure it will be helpful to
[46:02] you and it will be mainly the
[46:05] safety that the neighbor needs.
[46:12] except guy across from you, he
[46:15] built his own wall.
[46:17] >> can I come up one more time.
[46:19] >> sure.
[46:20] >> I have ad yaz.
[46:21] we drive through the county and
[46:22] see great stuff.
[46:23] I can take pictures this.
[46:25] are things to help cover up the
[46:27] guard rail.
[46:28] most of all it, it may be
[46:31] pricey.
[46:32] you know our lives are worth it.
[46:34] our health values.
[46:36] we're in the nicest part of the
[46:41] street and we take care of the
[46:44] homes.
[46:45] the back of the fences are so
[46:46] unsightly.
[46:48] the weeds under it.
[46:50] they expect us to come around
[46:52] with our weed whackers and come
[46:54] around.
[46:55] look at the stretch, hr-ts pack
[46:58] up our stuff on the road to go
[46:59] to nob hill and take the weeds
[47:01] from under the fence away.
[47:03] pressure clean the fence.
[47:05] typically that's our
[47:06] responsibility.
[47:09] we're in an awkward spot.
[47:11] we're a great neighborhood.
[47:13] great people in the
[47:14] neighborhood.
[47:17] we take good care of our homes.
[47:19] if the city can recognize it's a
[47:21] win win.
[47:22] I appreciate everything you did
[47:23] to look into this.
[47:25] it's me bugging you guys for 25
[47:27] years.
[47:28] >> I want to thank you for
[47:30] coming out here.
[47:31] I don't know if your neighbors
[47:32] value who are you to them.
[47:37] we're grateful for your input
[47:39] and putting the whip to* us to
[47:42] get a solution.
[47:43] I want to commend you.
[47:44] we like our residents to
[47:46] participate.
[47:47] we don't always get it right.
[47:49] when people come forward and let
[47:51] us know what the problems are
[47:53] and continue to focus on it here
[47:55] is where the -- the squeaky
[47:59] wheel gets the grease.
[48:01] >> yes.
[48:03] >> there you go.
[48:04] >> my father owned the three
[48:06] properties before nob hill was
[48:07] nob hill.
[48:08] we naturally bought it and built
[48:10] on it it's our home.
[48:12] we're not going anywhere.
[48:13] don't make me come back in a
[48:15] couple of years and say I'm back
[48:18] again.
[48:19] >> we do a lot with wellby.
[48:22] we have saved them hundreds of
[48:24] thousands of dollars over the
[48:26] years taking over their land
[48:28] skaeufplt.
[48:29] >> did you a beautiful job.
[48:30] I love it.
[48:31] >> that's prompted me to say
[48:33] let's do that to our area.
[48:35] >> now we're asking to use their
[48:37] property for art in public
[48:39] places.
[48:40] when he need the squeaky wheel
[48:41] we will call you.
[48:42] >> yes, yes.
[48:44] we wrote with chalk on the back
[48:45] of the fence, thank you to the
[48:47] fire fight erdz and such for
[48:48] covid-19.
[48:49] >> thank you for listening to
[48:51] me.
[48:52] >> thank you.
[48:53] >> thank you.
[48:54] >> thank you.
[48:55] >> tory, someone had their hand
[48:57] up on the phone.
[48:58] >> no, they disconnected from
[48:59] the call.
[49:03] >> okay.
[49:04] >> let us know in they come
[49:07] back.
[49:08] >> yes.
[49:09] let us know if they come back.
[49:10] mr. City manager is there a
[49:12] timeline on when you propose
[49:16] installation proposed guard rail
[49:19] or landscape will or a timeline
[49:22] to share with the public?
[49:23] >> certainly we haven't put pen
[49:26] to paper on a timeline.
[49:28] we hoped to design the project
[49:31] in house to save time.
[49:38] we have a contract in place for
[49:39] a guard rail and we can utilize
[49:42] that. Instead of a wall this is
[49:44] months to get this done.
[49:45] >> with the budget coming up is
[49:48] this something to get in this
[49:49] year?
[49:50] >> 36 months, 48 months.
[49:55] >> I will get with budget and
[49:57] see if we can find the funds.
[49:59] if we need additional dollars we
[50:01] will come back and ask the
[50:03] commission.
[50:04] >> mayor ryan, any comments?
[50:05] >> no.
[50:10] >> anyone else.
[50:11] >> no.
[50:12] >> thank you for being here.
[50:13] city staff and everyone here is
[50:15] hoping to get this resolved.
[50:17] I know since I have been up here
[50:19] it's been a issue.
[50:21] I really want to see it get
[50:23] resolved.
[50:24] I'm glad to see staff has come
[50:26] up with a proposed solution.
[50:28] >> when it's installed call me
[50:31] so I can see it first hand.
[50:36] >> I will have a party.
[50:38] >> next is jonathan salis on the
[50:41] phone in regards to the wall I'm
[50:44] assuming.
[50:46] is he available?
[50:51] if he can raise his hand I would
[50:53] be happy to identify him.
[50:55] pressing 5 star.
[51:01] press 5 star please.
[51:08] >> I don't see anyone.
[51:09] >> gentleman in the green shirt.
[51:12] come on up.
[51:13] I will get you next, ma'am.
[51:22] >> if you can state your name
[51:24] and address.
[51:25] >> bryce goldberg.
[51:27] I'm at 101st avenue.
[51:29] it was my house hit.
[51:31] >> sorry to hear that.
[51:32] >> I just, thank you for taking
[51:34] this seriously.
[51:36] yes we do appreciate paula
[51:38] leaning on this.
[51:39] my only question is for the city
[51:41] manager.
[51:42] I know you looked into the wall
[51:43] and moving the wires.
[51:45] all of the wires are several
[51:47] feet behind the existing fence.
[51:50] I'm just not understanding why,
[51:52] if we move the tents and replace
[51:55] it with a wall that shouldn't
[51:56] affect the wires behind the
[51:58] wall.
[51:59] we have asked about digging up.
[52:08] they come through the front
[52:10] there.
[52:11] is no access through the front.
[52:12] I don't understand.
[52:13] I don't know if you have looked
[52:15] into it.
[52:16] if you just replace what is
[52:17] there with a wall.
[52:18] the wires underneath would be
[52:22] accessed the same why.
[52:24] why is that a hinderance for the
[52:27] woeurz to be moved up.
[52:28] I understand that's the issue
[52:30] for cost.
[52:31] >> installing the wall is not
[52:34] just above grouped.
[52:35] it's a below ground foundation
[52:37] that's installed with the wall.
[52:39] it's not just above grouped what
[52:40] you see.
[52:41] there are cylinders that are
[52:43] several feet in width.
[52:45] the starting of that sill eupder
[52:47] is the back of the sidewalk
[52:48] going back several feet on top
[52:52] of that we have to have approval
[52:54] of the utilities.
[52:55] they won't approve a wall in
[52:57] that location.
[52:58] it's a utility easement.
[53:00] >> I just want to make sure you
[53:02] look into it the guard rail with
[53:04] the trees sounds viable.
[53:06] thank you, guys.
[53:07] >> thank you.
[53:08] >>
[53:11] >> come on up.
[53:16] >> I'm going in order.
[53:20] are you martha?
[53:21] >> martha, come on down.
[53:32] [inaudible]
[53:33] >> you are here.
[53:35] that's what is most important.
[53:36] >> exactly.
[53:38] can you state your name and
[53:39] address, ma'am.
[53:40] >> my name is market that.
[53:42] my last name is.
[53:45] I live 2971 northwest 110
[53:49] avenue, sun rides, florida.
[53:51] 33322.
[53:53] >> welcome.
[54:02] go ahead.
[54:03] >> we had an association called
[54:06] mvp.
[54:07] they ran the association for two
[54:09] years.
[54:12] they on june 6th of this year
[54:16] they run out with our money.
[54:18] they presented to us $6000 that
[54:22] we do have.
[54:24] when we contact the bank we
[54:28] found $1400 with a reserve of
[54:31] ten dollars.
[54:32] in other words they took out our
[54:34] money.
[54:35] we did a police case.
[54:37] we did city of sunrise.
[54:41] we put a -- with the state of
[54:45] florida.
[54:46] I did the complaint with the
[54:47] better business bureau.
[54:48] nothing has been done.
[54:50] I know the city of sunrise is a
[54:53] compassionate city.
[54:54] I am coming over here to get
[54:58] your advice, to get your help.
[55:01] >> todd: see what you can do for
[55:02] us.
[55:03] the alliance property managers
[55:08] now per our -- refers to
[55:14] mr. Alliance property management
[55:15] to run our hoa.
[55:17] they assess 800, I mean for
[55:24] august $500.
[55:26] for september another $500.
[55:31] on top of the 125 association
[55:35] fee.
[55:36] as far as try to put money to
[55:42] runt business of our hoa.
[55:46] as far as the board of
[55:48] directors.
[55:49] they don't want us.
[55:54] we are 75 houses.
[55:58] home owners signed up for a new
[56:01] board of director.
[56:02] like myself they're suppose to
[56:04] request every three months for
[56:06] the balance of the bank.
[56:08] how the association was.
[56:10] they never requested it.
[56:19] we tried to get a new board of
[56:21] directors.
[56:22] it was stated that can not be.
[56:23] we condition have a meeting.
[56:26] to get a new board of director.
[56:29] we don't know what to do.
[56:30] we just, we don't have no idea.
[56:33] we tried to consult a real
[56:37] estate lawyer.
[56:40] very expensive.
[56:41] very very expensive.
[56:43] we have holes in the street, our
[56:54] pool is closed.
[56:55] they increased two, three years
[56:57] ago.
[56:58] my mvp from $95 to $125 to text
[57:03] up the pool.
[57:05] to fix up the holes, the pot
[57:07] holes on the street.
[57:11] to trim our streets.
[57:12] nothing has been done.
[57:20] as far as we know the is still
[57:22] in business ripping other
[57:24] associations.
[57:25] it's not fair.
[57:27] for us to be paying and someone
[57:29] takes off with the moppy and are
[57:31] still doing business someplace
[57:34] else.
[57:35] >> I understand.
[57:36] >> like the city, you guys, the
[57:38] city of sunrise we would like
[57:40] you to help us out.
[57:41] his name is mario.
[57:44] he's the owner of my mvp.
[57:46] he's doing business someplace
[57:49] else.
[57:50] it's not fare for us to leave us
[57:54] with ten dollars.
[57:56] he presented we of $61,000.
[58:02] we contacted the bank.
[58:04] they told us it was.
[58:08] the reserve was ten dollars.
[58:13] we don't know what to do.
[58:14] I went office they told me they
[58:18] can't do.
[58:19] I spoke to anna.
[58:22] she told me there is nothing she
[58:24] can do because we don't --
[58:29] condos.
[58:31] because we're a development.
[58:32] it's nothing she can do with us.
[58:35] >> let me ask the chief of
[58:37] police to come up and give us a
[58:39] little update.
[58:40] okay.
[58:41] he's coming up behind you.
[58:43] >> repeat that again.
[58:44] >> I am asking the chief of
[58:46] police come up.
[58:47] >> the case number four the
[58:49] police department was this
[58:52] report.
[58:53] 2106.
[58:54] this is the --
[58:56] >> okay.
[58:57] >> thank you, very much.
[58:58] >> no problem.
[58:59] commissioner I don't know the
[59:00] defails of a investigation we
[59:03] have going on.
[59:04] what I would like to do is talk
[59:06] to you in the hallway with major
[59:13] sweat.
[59:14] we will look into the criminal
[59:16] in sref gauges and other items.
[59:19] >> any assistance?
[59:22] >> from my perspective there is
[59:24] limited resources from city
[59:26] this.
[59:27] appears to be mostly a private
[59:29] matter.
[59:30] >> you concur.
[59:31] >> yes I do concur.
[59:32] >> there use to be an
[59:34] association --
[59:36] >> my apologies.
[59:37] >> deputy --
[59:40] >> good everything.
[59:43] [inaudible]
[59:44] >> I do agree with what mark
[59:48] said.
[59:49] sorry.
[59:50] >> I have been involved in
[59:51] condos there.
[59:52] is a lot of people that have
[59:54] these challenges.
[59:55] we condition start opening that
[59:57] door.
[1:00:00] they're private organizations
[1:00:01] and what not.
[1:00:03] I think we should leave the
[1:00:04] police investigation look into
[1:00:06] it.
[1:00:08] >> yes.
[1:00:09] >> we received an e-mail this
[1:00:12] past week.
[1:00:13] tory, I believe was on top of
[1:00:14] this.
[1:00:15] so, I want to speak with chief
[1:00:18] rose a if you can provide, I
[1:00:20] think he has your contact
[1:00:23] information.
[1:00:24] will he contact you to give you
[1:00:25] information on the hoa to take
[1:00:27] over.
[1:00:28] the state rep to get involved.
[1:00:29] we can't as stated but we can
[1:00:32] provide resources as to who can.
[1:00:35] >> thank you, for me the problem
[1:00:37] is that this company keep on --
[1:00:44] nor me, my perspective.
[1:00:46] think those people, that company
[1:00:48] keep doing what they doing on
[1:00:50] and on because nobody does
[1:00:55] anything.
[1:00:56] they open business with another
[1:00:57] name.
[1:00:58] the same company.
[1:00:59] as far as with know the company
[1:01:04] is running and doing business as
[1:01:06] another associate.
[1:01:08] thank you, very much.
[1:01:09] I really appreciate it.
[1:01:11] >> before you go.
[1:01:12] I think commissioner scuotto had
[1:01:15] something to say.
[1:01:16] >> there was a condo association
[1:01:20] that took place once a month at
[1:01:24] phase one.
[1:01:25] think it's ran by the county.
[1:01:26] they would be the ones that
[1:01:28] helped all of the individual
[1:01:31] associations with the rules and
[1:01:34] by laws and all of the different
[1:01:35] things.
[1:01:36] they had representatives
[1:01:38] representing in tallahassee.
[1:01:40] I think it's a county thing.
[1:01:42] I can't remember what the
[1:01:47] organization was.
[1:01:48] I know they met every month at
[1:01:50] phase one in the club house.
[1:01:52] it was all of these lawyers and
[1:01:56] entities from the hoas that
[1:01:58] would meet.
[1:02:01] I think it was through the
[1:02:02] county.
[1:02:03] maybe the area agency on aging.
[1:02:05] one of the ladies that worked
[1:02:07] there ran it.
[1:02:10] I can maybe try to find out
[1:02:12] tomorrow.
[1:02:13] >> as you may -- as you may
[1:02:15] imagine, ma'am.
[1:02:16] I will allow to you comment.
[1:02:17] I wanted to say because I do get
[1:02:20] those calls in my capacity as
[1:02:23] city commissioner, all the time.
[1:02:24] people are having challenges
[1:02:26] with management company.
[1:02:28] people feel like they're being
[1:02:30] taken advantage of by their
[1:02:33] boards.
[1:02:35] we as a city still have limits
[1:02:38] to what we can do as a
[1:02:41] government.
[1:02:42] each of the condo associations.
[1:02:44] we have quite a few here in the
[1:02:46] city based on how it was
[1:02:47] developed initially.
[1:02:48] they're private corporation.
[1:02:59] if you have a management company
[1:03:01] that stole money it's no
[1:03:07] different than a public stealing
[1:03:10] upony.
[1:03:12] to the extent of a criminal
[1:03:14] case.
[1:03:15] >> it's a criminal matter in
[1:03:18] here.
[1:03:19] I believe that company still
[1:03:20] doing business.
[1:03:21] >> right. Obviously the chief
[1:03:26] will look into it.
[1:03:27] if there is a issue there to be
[1:03:29] addressed.
[1:03:30] as city commissioners.
[1:03:31] this is the rule of law that we
[1:03:33] a bide by.
[1:03:34] we try to* not to get involved
[1:03:37] if the operational and issues
[1:03:41] where police are concerned.
[1:03:42] >> if they investigate and they
[1:03:45] believe there is basis for
[1:03:46] criminal charges they will press
[1:03:49] forward with that.
[1:03:50] we stay away from getting into
[1:03:52] individual cases.
[1:03:53] we deal with policy of how the
[1:03:56] police department operates in
[1:03:58] the community.
[1:03:59] we don't want to comment too
[1:04:01] much on details of a particular
[1:04:02] case.
[1:04:03] I'm sure if it's there they will
[1:04:05] find out.
[1:04:06] >> thank you very much.
[1:04:08] as far as the -- when I went
[1:04:11] to -- they told me nobody can
[1:04:17] help us out by a real estate
[1:04:20] lawyer.
[1:04:21] but I can speak with the city of
[1:04:25] sunrise to see if something can
[1:04:27] be done.
[1:04:31] >> sometimes things that are
[1:04:32] criminal are also civil.
[1:04:35] maybe a real estate lawyer would
[1:04:37] help you recoup the money in a
[1:04:40] civil proceeding or help you
[1:04:42] organize yourself to be legally
[1:04:45] effective.
[1:04:46] there could be a criminal
[1:04:48] element to it
[1:04:50] again I'm sure we have some of
[1:04:52] the best investigators around.
[1:04:54] they will find out if there is a
[1:04:57] criminal charge there to be
[1:05:00] brought.
[1:05:01] >> okay.
[1:05:02] thank you, very much.
[1:05:03] >> mayor ryan.
[1:05:06] anything?
[1:05:07] >> nothing further.
[1:05:08] >> thank you.
[1:05:09] >> thank you, ma'am.
[1:05:13] thank you for coming up.
[1:05:15] >> thank you.
[1:05:19] >> have a good evening.
[1:05:20] anyone else wishing to speak on
[1:05:22] a matter during open discussion
[1:05:24] in the audience?
[1:05:25] tory, anyone on the phone,
[1:05:28] wanting to speak in open
[1:05:29] discussion?
[1:05:31] >> no hands are raised.
[1:05:34] >> alright.
[1:05:35] I will close open discussion.
[1:05:36] >> mr. Hill was on the line.
[1:05:38] he to go.
[1:05:39] I will discuss that in my
[1:05:41] commission report.
[1:05:42] >> who?
[1:05:43] >> mr. Hill.
[1:05:44] I think lordes informed you.
[1:05:47] it's okay.
[1:05:48] >> I'm sorry.
[1:05:49] >> he had to hang up.
[1:05:51] >> let's go back to 12b.
[1:06:09] is that alright with my
[1:06:11] colleagues.
[1:06:12] 12b.
[1:06:13] >> yes, 12b.
[1:06:15] >> I will read it.
[1:06:17] >> transfer of property.
[1:06:18] commission discussion and/or
[1:06:20] action regarding first reading
[1:06:22] of an ordinance of the city of
[1:06:24] sunrise, florida, approving an
[1:06:28] agreement for sale and purchase
[1:06:30] between the city of sunrise and
[1:06:32] new urban sunset strip, llc, for
[1:06:36] city property generally
[1:06:38] described as a portion of tracts
[1:06:40] 25 and 26 in the northwest one
[1:06:43] quarter of section 35, township
[1:06:47] 49, south, range 41 east, of
[1:06:51] florida fruit lands company
[1:06:55] subdivision number one, as
[1:06:57] recorded in plat book 2, page
[1:07:00] 17, of the public records of
[1:07:03] dade county, florida -- I will
[1:07:08] allow mr. Lubelski to give us a
[1:07:13] quick introduction on this
[1:07:15] matter.
[1:07:16] move.
[1:07:17] >> move it.
[1:07:18] >> second.
[1:07:19] >> moved and seconded.
[1:07:20] >> thank you, deputy mayor.
[1:07:23] on october 13th, 2020, the
[1:07:25] city commission authorized the
[1:07:27] city manager to tender officers
[1:07:31] and counter officers in writing
[1:07:33] concerning the property.
[1:07:35] providing the sale is not less
[1:07:39] than the property appraised
[1:07:41] values.
[1:07:42] urban communities with a strong
[1:07:45] reputation in south florida is
[1:07:48] successful developer of urban
[1:07:51] projects.
[1:07:52] they're proposing a residential
[1:07:54] development with -- rear loaded
[1:08:00] garages and offered front
[1:08:03] porches.
[1:08:04] at least three of the homes are
[1:08:08] live work units.
[1:08:09] the pros project satisfy the
[1:08:14] vision of the master plan
[1:08:16] compatible with the sir oupbding
[1:08:18] neighborhood.
[1:08:19] the kpheugts previously
[1:08:20] requested the agreement include
[1:08:22] a call back or conclusion.
[1:08:30] staff has provided similar
[1:08:32] protections for the city and the
[1:08:33] attached agreement includes the
[1:08:35] following safeguards.
[1:08:37] establishes the closing will
[1:08:39] take place with all land use in
[1:08:42] place and three homes are ready
[1:08:44] for issuance this.
[1:08:46] insures once the closing occurs
[1:08:52] construction commences shortly
[1:08:54] after closing.
[1:08:55] the buyer to obtain a loan
[1:08:57] commitment letter for financing
[1:08:59] of the property purchases, site
[1:09:02] cost and vertical construction
[1:09:03] costs.
[1:09:04] this provides reasonable
[1:09:06] assurance the buyer has
[1:09:08] appropriate finance for the
[1:09:09] project.
[1:09:10] at agreement requires in the
[1:09:12] event a buyer fail to close the
[1:09:14] loan within 60 days, the seller
[1:09:18] can purchase the property from
[1:09:20] the buyer in the khur pace
[1:09:22] price.
[1:09:23] this provides a call back
[1:09:25] provision if there is not a call
[1:09:28] back within 60 days.
[1:09:30] once the loan is closed the
[1:09:32] construction will commence
[1:09:36] shortly after with her mits and
[1:09:38] financing.
[1:09:39] there is an ex hebt of
[1:09:43] provisions for a detailed over
[1:09:46] view of the project.
[1:09:47] a development agreement with
[1:09:49] insure to be developed with the
[1:09:52] city's provision.
[1:09:53] a sales price of $500,000
[1:09:56] includes affordable housing on
[1:09:59] 90% of the units this.
[1:10:01] is in line with an updated
[1:10:03] appraisal scenario.
[1:10:06] the project is to be the first
[1:10:11] in many years, intended to
[1:10:14] create significant interest in
[1:10:15] the marketplace due to playing
[1:10:18] concepts and kwaugt of pros
[1:10:20] development.
[1:10:21] tim hernandez is here today.
[1:10:23] I would like to bring him up to
[1:10:25] introduce himself and answer any
[1:10:27] questions that the commission
[1:10:28] may have for him or for staff.
[1:10:33] >> good everything mr. Manis.
[1:10:38] >> good I'm I'm tim hernandez
[1:10:40] with my record kevin record next
[1:10:43] to the back row, with me.
[1:10:44] new urban has been in business
[1:10:49] for about 22 years.
[1:10:50] we have done a lost
[1:10:52] redevelopment projects
[1:10:53] throughout south florida.
[1:10:55] notably pwroeuard county.
[1:10:58] mira bella off palm avenue.
[1:11:03] we did two develops bel isle and
[1:11:06] currently building a development
[1:11:09] wilt manors.
[1:11:12] we have done a couple in ft.
[1:11:15] lauderdale, victoria park on the
[1:11:18] old bank atlantic corporate
[1:11:23] site.
[1:11:24] we are currently developing
[1:11:26] pompano beach fishing village at
[1:11:29] the pier.
[1:11:31] that's just broward.
[1:11:33] number of projects in delray
[1:11:35] beach.
[1:11:36] our fifth project in delray
[1:11:38] beach is beginning.
[1:11:39] we have four in jupiter.
[1:11:42] we like to find communities we
[1:11:43] can understand the market in and
[1:11:45] work together with the staff and
[1:11:46] continue to do more developments
[1:11:49] within the communities.
[1:11:50] so as mark indicated we focused
[1:11:53] on infield redevelopment
[1:11:55] projects.
[1:11:58] -- big cookie cutter home style
[1:12:02] types.
[1:12:03] we look to develop something
[1:12:04] that is compatible with
[1:12:06] surrounding neighborhood.
[1:12:08] hopefully help curve as a
[1:12:14] catalyst for further development
[1:12:16] in those areas.
[1:12:17] think that's our track record
[1:12:18] through our history.
[1:12:20] we spend a lost time and effort
[1:12:22] on design, architecture design
[1:12:24] and our site planning, try to
[1:12:27] create unique and attractive
[1:12:34] settings for our residents to
[1:12:36] live.
[1:12:37] we are local, we live here.
[1:12:38] we want to come back to our
[1:12:40] communities and see they're
[1:12:41] better overtime.
[1:12:42] that they have made the
[1:12:45] communities we build in better
[1:12:47] overtime.
[1:12:48] we work very hard the last year
[1:12:49] plus with your staff, mark
[1:12:54] particularly to create something
[1:12:56] that is consistent with east
[1:12:58] sunrise plan that you guys had
[1:13:00] adopted, compatible with the
[1:13:04] surrounding community.
[1:13:06] we're excited about this
[1:13:07] development.
[1:13:08] I mean it's, you read about how,
[1:13:13] you know sales prices have gone
[1:13:16] up here.
[1:13:17] to be able to deliver at work
[1:13:19] force housing development in
[1:13:20] this neighborhood is important.
[1:13:22] it's a challenge.
[1:13:23] it takes everyone working
[1:13:25] together to be able to do that.
[1:13:26] construction costs have sky
[1:13:30] rocketed over the last year.
[1:13:31] it's unbelievable.
[1:13:33] so it takes etch working
[1:13:36] together to get this done.
[1:13:37] I think we have done that.
[1:13:39] >> thank you, my colleagues may
[1:13:42] have questions for you.
[1:13:43] >> commissioner scuotto.
[1:13:47] >> yes, you said pompano beach.
[1:13:49] that's all commercial pretty
[1:13:51] much?
[1:13:52] >> I yes that is all commercial.
[1:13:54] we do multi family, rental
[1:13:57] developments, for sale town
[1:13:59] homes and single family detached
[1:14:02] housing and commercial.
[1:14:03] and some mixed use with
[1:14:06] residential and residential in
[1:14:08] the development.
[1:14:11] >> the up with you're doing with
[1:14:12] us is just residential.
[1:14:14] >> a 00 percent.
[1:14:16] 28 single family detached homes.
[1:14:19] like the one we did in ft.
[1:14:21] lauderdale that was 30 single
[1:14:24] family detached homes.
[1:14:26] >> -- cypress street.
[1:14:32] >> no near the old gateway
[1:14:35] theater.
[1:14:36] >> the high rise one.
[1:14:38] >> no two story detached homes.
[1:14:41] 30 homes.
[1:14:42] they built for us.
[1:14:43] we had nothing to do with it
[1:14:45] they built a bbt branch bank.
[1:14:48] they tore down the six story big
[1:14:51] atlantic historic corporate head
[1:14:54] courters.
[1:14:55] put a branch bank in front.
[1:14:57] in the back part there was
[1:14:59] about, similar size, a little
[1:15:02] less than three acres and we put
[1:15:04] the homes on.
[1:15:05] those homes were much more
[1:15:07] expensive because of the
[1:15:09] neighborhood surrounding it but
[1:15:12] it was similar.
[1:15:13] detached homes on small lots.
[1:15:15] >> so, I mean the tame frame you
[1:15:18] feel you can do this in.
[1:15:20] if we approve this tonight what
[1:15:24] is the time frame you would
[1:15:26] begin -- you mention now about
[1:15:28] the cost.
[1:15:29] yet we bought the prompt for
[1:15:32] 900,000.
[1:15:33] we're giving it to you for
[1:15:35] 500,000.
[1:15:36] that's a cost savings to you
[1:15:37] there.
[1:15:38] >> it is.
[1:15:39] I wish I could of start two
[1:15:40] years ago.
[1:15:41] it would of been a better deal
[1:15:43] for us.
[1:15:44] to be honest with you.
[1:15:45] in terms of timing it was up to
[1:15:49] us.
[1:15:50] we like, we have a site plan.
[1:15:53] we turn the site plan, we get
[1:15:54] approval.
[1:15:55] we have to go through the
[1:15:58] development review process.
[1:16:00] unfortunately it's not platted.
[1:16:02] we have to go through the
[1:16:04] counting platting process too.
[1:16:16] >> how long with l. That take?
[1:16:18] >> probably a year.
[1:16:20] we will do the platting
[1:16:22] simultaneous.
[1:16:23] >> when the county approves the
[1:16:28] plat we're ready to roll.
[1:16:30] we will start construction
[1:16:31] relatively speaking in about a
[1:16:34] year or . So it depends highway
[1:16:36] fast we sell.
[1:16:37] think we will sell.
[1:16:39] we're limited in the price we
[1:16:41] can sell for.
[1:16:42] I think we will sell fast.
[1:16:44] the 28 homes should be built in
[1:16:47] a period not more than two
[1:16:48] years.
[1:16:49] three years from today, okay.
[1:16:52] >> three years from today you
[1:16:54] feel you will have a completed
[1:16:56] project.
[1:16:57] >> yes.
[1:16:58] I would like to think it could
[1:17:03] go fatter but this is a quality
[1:17:05] development.
[1:17:06] land development.
[1:17:07] sewer, water, drainage.
[1:17:08] go through the permit.
[1:17:10] permit through county
[1:17:11] environmental department as
[1:17:14] well.
[1:17:15] >> I just wanted to get the time
[1:17:16] frame.
[1:17:17] this is something we started
[1:17:18] this east side, this was to be
[1:17:22] one of our first things.
[1:17:25] >> I know.
[1:17:28] when you first authorized the
[1:17:30] agreement you said you wanted it
[1:17:32] done as fast as humanly
[1:17:34] possible.
[1:17:35] I echoed that.
[1:17:36] >> I want to make sure the fries
[1:17:38] price of construction won't
[1:17:39] scare you to delay the project
[1:17:42] and wait.
[1:17:46] >> no, we're not scared by it.
[1:17:48] we perform.
[1:17:50] kevin is the general contractor.
[1:17:52] we don't have to go out and find
[1:17:55] a contract tore do this, okay.
[1:17:57] however prices will continue to
[1:17:59] rise a bit.
[1:18:00] the way this works is we have
[1:18:01] to, we agreed to sell the homes
[1:18:04] to people making less than 140%
[1:18:07] of the medium income.
[1:18:09] presumably that price inches up
[1:18:12] a little bit each year too.
[1:18:14] that hopefully covers the cost
[1:18:16] of construction.
[1:18:17] it hasn't frankly in the last
[1:18:18] couple of years.
[1:18:19] the cost of labor.
[1:18:21] the cost of materials,
[1:18:25] commodities have increased much
[1:18:28] more.
[1:18:29] it's ray cyclical industry.
[1:18:32] things go up, flatten and go
[1:18:35] down.
[1:18:36] we believe in the market,
[1:18:37] neighborhood and believe we can
[1:18:39] make it work.
[1:18:40] >> thank you.
[1:18:41] >> thank you, sir, for coming
[1:18:44] here today.
[1:18:45] we have formulas here we're
[1:18:50] using to determine the
[1:18:52] affordable housing component.
[1:18:54] what is this average salary?
[1:19:08] >> it's adjusted by family size.
[1:19:10] >> a family of four.
[1:19:12] >> a family of four, I don't
[1:19:14] have that, I didn't bring that
[1:19:16] chart up with me.
[1:19:18] >> staff, do you know.
[1:19:19] >> I can look it up if you need
[1:19:21] me too.
[1:19:22] I think generally what you will
[1:19:23] find is it's probably these days
[1:19:26] in broward count.y I think the
[1:19:28] median income in broward county
[1:19:31] is in the 60s.
[1:19:37] >> I wouldn't want you to
[1:19:39] speculate.
[1:19:40] I hear we will have -- they
[1:19:43] sound good.
[1:19:44] I love the project.
[1:19:45] I want to make sure the fine
[1:19:47] details are worked out.
[1:19:50] >> so, if -- based op what I'm
[1:19:53] hearing three bedroom, three
[1:19:56] bedroom, two and a half bath,
[1:19:59] single family, one-two car
[1:20:01] garage.
[1:20:02] 15002018000 square feet.
[1:20:05] I want to make sure someone can
[1:20:07] afford it making the ami.
[1:20:12] I want to know the pro equity
[1:20:14] judged numbers.
[1:20:15] >> sure I can pull up my power
[1:20:18] point.
[1:20:19] it's approximately,
[1:20:20] approximately, a median income
[1:20:22] of broward county for a family
[1:20:24] of four, a hundred percent is
[1:20:26] around 65,000 more or less.
[1:20:31] >> deputy mayor, I have pulled
[1:20:33] this up.
[1:20:34] for 80% category for a family of
[1:20:38] four it's 70,400.
[1:20:41] for -- it's 105 income.
[1:20:46] then it gets adjusted up or down
[1:20:48] depending on the household size.
[1:20:50] >> for 08% category.
[1:20:57] >> yes.
[1:20:58] >> what about a hundred.
[1:20:59] >> the next category I see here
[1:21:02] is 120.
[1:21:03] that's 105,000.
[1:21:05] >> okay that is another, the
[1:21:08] range between 100 and
[1:21:11] 140 percent.
[1:21:12] >> yes.
[1:21:13] to clarify for this project we
[1:21:15] have 25 of the homes between 80
[1:21:21] and 100 percent.
[1:21:24] -- then another 40% between
[1:21:27] 100-140.
[1:21:29] >> so seven and seven will be
[1:21:32] deed restricted for 30 years.
[1:21:34] another 24 will be deed
[1:21:36] restricted in the same 100-140
[1:21:44] for ten years.
[1:21:45] ten percent won't be deed
[1:21:54] restricted.
[1:21:55] hen ten, ten percent is 2.8.
[1:21:59] how much do these sell for, sir?
[1:22:01] >> they will sell for around
[1:22:03] $400,000.
[1:22:05] >> about 400.
[1:22:06] >> about.
[1:22:10] by the time they're up for sale
[1:22:11] it will be a little movement in
[1:22:13] that number.
[1:22:17] it will be based on that table
[1:22:19] that --
[1:22:21] >> if you were to use today's
[1:22:27] interest rate.
[1:22:28] go for 3.5%.
[1:22:29] how much is the mortgage on a
[1:22:31] home for 400,000?
[1:22:34] >> okay.
[1:22:35] well if you bought, paid
[1:22:39] $400,000 for the house, use that
[1:22:42] number.
[1:22:43] if you went fha, you have a 3.5
[1:22:47] president down payment.
[1:22:48] convention a 5% down payment.
[1:22:52] you're basically talking high
[1:22:55] 300s 380-350.
[1:23:02] that's the mortgage payment.
[1:23:05] it's what the mortgage will be.
[1:23:08] the mother gam payment -- let's
[1:23:11] see if I can do that, if it's
[1:23:13] interest only.
[1:23:14] it's not.
[1:23:15] it's an amortising loan.
[1:23:18] >> we want to make sure the
[1:23:19] person am ore tieing their
[1:23:22] mortgage.
[1:23:23] it's deed restricted for 30
[1:23:24] years.
[1:23:25] >> I thank you.
[1:23:26] >> she brought my chart for me.
[1:23:28] thank you. Oky doky.
[1:23:35] let's see here.
[1:23:39] >> the housing --
[1:24:40] >> okay.
[1:24:41] for example if you had a -- a we
[1:24:46] did it for all different ways.
[1:24:48] let's see the family of four
[1:24:50] calculation here.
[1:24:51] family of four.
[1:24:52] a hundred percent.
[1:24:57] did you a fha mortgage.
[1:25:01] your monthly payment would be
[1:25:07] about $1400.
[1:25:08] the interest rates have been
[1:25:10] really low lately.
[1:25:12] say it goes up a bit.
[1:25:14] on top of that commissioner,
[1:25:16] remember we took this no
[1:25:18] account.
[1:25:19] you have to pay property taxes,
[1:25:20] you have to pay insurance, you
[1:25:22] have to pay an hoa fee.
[1:25:24] we will have a common area to
[1:25:29] maintain.
[1:25:30] by and large your total housing
[1:25:32] payment per month would be about
[1:25:38] about $30,000 in total housing
[1:25:41] cost per year.
[1:25:42] about.
[1:25:43] it's an estimate.
[1:25:44] that's depending how much you
[1:25:47] actually put down.
[1:25:48] what the actual interest rate is
[1:25:51] that time.
[1:25:52] what the actual probably taxes
[1:25:56] and insurance would be.
[1:25:57] that's about what it would be.
[1:25:59] you typically say someone can
[1:26:01] afford ideally, they say around
[1:26:05] 30% of their income for housing
[1:26:09] costs.
[1:26:10] in a perfect world that's where
[1:26:13] it would be.
[1:26:14] these days in south florida
[1:26:15] people pay probably a little
[1:26:17] more or a lot more.
[1:26:19] >> that's what we're trying to
[1:26:21] do with affordable housing.
[1:26:23] >> I hear you.
[1:26:24] if we can achieve that we have
[1:26:30] accomplished something.
[1:26:32] you think someone having a 3800
[1:26:35] mortgage would pay 1400 a month.
[1:26:43] >> on pmi.
[1:26:44] say it goes to 1500 or 1600.
[1:26:50] it's reasonable.
[1:26:51] think about an apartment.
[1:26:53] you're lucky to get an apartment
[1:26:55] these days for that price.
[1:26:57] >> I understand.
[1:26:58] >> of course your rent includes
[1:27:01] taxes and insurance.
[1:27:02] >> given you have bun proforma
[1:27:06] what is projected for the
[1:27:09] association.
[1:27:10] >> I project now.
[1:27:11] the association here would
[1:27:14] maintain all of the grounds.
[1:27:17] okay.
[1:27:18] the common area, it would
[1:27:20] maintain even the landscaping
[1:27:22] around everybody's home.
[1:27:26] each individual is responsible
[1:27:28] for their own home.
[1:27:29] okay.
[1:27:30] I estimate about two hundred
[1:27:32] dollars a month for the hoa.
[1:27:38] landscape maintenance,
[1:27:40] irrigation.
[1:27:42] the pool.
[1:27:43] those are the main elements have
[1:27:45] to fire a probably manager to do
[1:27:49] that.
[1:27:50] >> that's about 1000 dolars a
[1:27:52] month for 28 units give or take.
[1:27:55] will there be common area
[1:27:57] lighting or gate?
[1:27:58] >> no gate.
[1:27:59] we were told no gate by the
[1:28:01] staff.
[1:28:02] we do but will have lighting.
[1:28:03] yes, street lighting on the
[1:28:05] streets and in any common area
[1:28:07] we will have lighting.
[1:28:17] >> according to this seven of
[1:28:19] the units are deed restricted
[1:28:21] for 30 years.
[1:28:23] these would be 70,000 tkharz for
[1:28:26] his himself, wife and two
[1:28:29] children.
[1:28:30] for the next 30 years it would
[1:28:31] have to be sold or resold to
[1:28:34] someone adjusted for
[1:28:35] inflation --
[1:28:36] >> correct.
[1:28:38] when you put that, there is a
[1:28:40] double edge sword with a deed
[1:28:42] restriction.
[1:28:43] some people would say that's a
[1:28:44] good idea.
[1:28:45] you kept that neighborhood
[1:28:47] reasonably priced for a longer
[1:28:50] period of time.
[1:28:51] someone may argue these people
[1:28:55] are not allowed to capture the
[1:28:57] wealth.
[1:28:58] >> another seven again in 140%
[1:29:02] range will have deeds restricted
[1:29:06] for 30 years.
[1:29:07] then we have 13, 14 units that
[1:29:10] won't, well, ten years for about
[1:29:14] 11 of them.
[1:29:15] ten years goes by quickly.
[1:29:18] another throw with no
[1:29:19] restrictions from the get.
[1:29:21] go how do you see this?
[1:29:24] the distortion effect?
[1:29:26] you have three people who bought
[1:29:28] for the same price.
[1:29:29] >> yes.
[1:29:30] >> they can sell their house in
[1:29:32] the marketplace at a price that
[1:29:35] anyone is prepared to pay.
[1:29:37] ten years from now there are
[1:29:39] eleven people jumping into that
[1:29:41] pool.
[1:29:42] they can sell it for whatever
[1:29:43] the market commands.
[1:29:45] then there is 14 people who
[1:29:48] would be living in the communist
[1:29:54] side of the community.
[1:29:56] how do you see this compression
[1:29:58] effect?
[1:29:59] uplgt it's a interesting
[1:30:00] question.
[1:30:01] we have done this in other
[1:30:03] places.
[1:30:04] >> I have.
[1:30:05] this is why I ask.
[1:30:06] >> okay.
[1:30:07] so we did one in delray beach.
[1:30:09] we h it was reversed.
[1:30:10] there was like a small number of
[1:30:13] deed restricted units and a
[1:30:14] large number of market rate
[1:30:16] units.
[1:30:17] so the way I look at it, first
[1:30:19] of all we would like to have as
[1:30:22] many unrestricted units as we
[1:30:24] could. We could sell them for
[1:30:26] more money up front.
[1:30:28] on the other hand the people who
[1:30:30] bought those, those unrestricted
[1:30:34] units to begin with.
[1:30:35] we will charge them more money
[1:30:37] then we're able to charge.
[1:30:40] >> you say these will be sold --
[1:30:43] >> yes.
[1:30:44] I'm not selling the same unit.
[1:30:45] >> which one will sell for foyer
[1:30:48] hundred thousand?
[1:30:49] >> the restricted units will be
[1:30:53] around for 400 units.
[1:30:55] the unrestricted maybe 50,000 or
[1:30:59] $40,000 higher.
[1:31:01] whatever the market can bear.
[1:31:03] >> there are three tiers here.
[1:31:09] assume 146 them will sell for --
[1:31:20] >> that's a good guess tpufpblgt
[1:31:21] tell me I could price
[1:31:22] accordingly.
[1:31:24] my guess.
[1:31:25] kevin, what do you think for a
[1:31:27] premium between only having a
[1:31:29] deed restriction for ten years
[1:31:30] versus 30 years.
[1:31:32] I would say it's probably a
[1:31:35] 5 percent difference.
[1:31:37] maybe ten percent.
[1:31:38] it depends on the individual.
[1:31:41] some people are so happy to get
[1:31:42] a house it's living I will do
[1:31:45] whatever I have to do.
[1:31:46] I will take the restriction.
[1:31:47] others will say I will pay, I
[1:31:49] will bet the market will go up
[1:31:51] more in that period of time.
[1:31:53] >> what would be the premium on
[1:31:54] the ones, the three with no
[1:31:57] restrictions.
[1:31:58] >> I think it will be
[1:31:59] significant.
[1:32:00] I think that will be a double
[1:32:02] premium over what, between the
[1:32:04] ten and the thirty.
[1:32:06] >> is that part of the proforma?
[1:32:09] >> yes.
[1:32:10] >> I saw one without a
[1:32:11] differentiation in price.
[1:32:12] >> into it shows a
[1:32:13] differentiation in price.
[1:32:15] >> I didn't notice.
[1:32:16] >> yes, it showed a
[1:32:18] differentiation in price with
[1:32:21] the unrestricted.
[1:32:22] but you're correct it didn't
[1:32:25] show a differentiation between
[1:32:27] the ten and thirty year.
[1:32:29] there should be somewhat like
[1:32:35] 5%.
[1:32:36] >> okay.
[1:32:37] I will save the rest of my
[1:32:38] questions for staff.
[1:32:42] thank you for your presentation.
[1:32:44] sir.
[1:32:45] >> hold on.
[1:32:46] assistant deputy mayor.
[1:32:51] >> thank you for pointing that
[1:32:52] out.
[1:32:53] >> go ahead.
[1:32:54] >> hold your fire.
[1:32:55] I'm sorry. Hold your thought I
[1:32:57] want -- since I'm --
[1:32:59] >> I didn't want him to sit
[1:33:01] down.
[1:33:02] >> no he can come back.
[1:33:03] I wanted to direct, I didn't
[1:33:05] think co answer these other
[1:33:07] questions.
[1:33:08] >> sorry.
[1:33:10] go ahead, commissioner douglas.
[1:33:12] >> no.
[1:33:13] obviously we have -- I have no
[1:33:22] problem selling something at a
[1:33:25] subsidy if it promotes a common
[1:33:28] good.
[1:33:29] we bought it for about $900,000.
[1:33:32] even using a baseline would be
[1:33:36] giving up 400,000-dollar
[1:33:39] subsidy.
[1:33:41] I saw an appraisal for 1
[1:33:43] pointalot.
[1:33:45] I saw another updated appraisal
[1:33:48] for another amount.
[1:33:49] I saw another appraisal for
[1:33:51] another amount.
[1:33:52] taking into consideration
[1:33:54] various assumptions.
[1:33:57] I'm not sure I'm comfortable
[1:33:59] with the a prates als.
[1:34:00] how the property was appraised.
[1:34:04] if I don't feel comfortable that
[1:34:07] given the public dollars away, I
[1:34:10] understand.
[1:34:11] I'm supportive of the east
[1:34:12] sunrise development.
[1:34:14] not every project, not every
[1:34:17] developer -- I'm not knocking
[1:34:18] your capacities or thiging
[1:34:21] you're not shooting straight
[1:34:23] with us.
[1:34:24] I'm saying not every project
[1:34:26] will be right.
[1:34:27] because of how the dollars are
[1:34:30] playing out.
[1:34:31] I will start with a base hine of
[1:34:40] four hundred thousand.
[1:34:41] I know there were assumptions
[1:34:43] based on covid.
[1:34:45] according to the appraisal we
[1:34:48] know how the market played out.
[1:34:50] I know there are assumptions of
[1:35:00] 2 units being built or five or
[1:35:04] ten.
[1:35:05] that's 30 -- the numbers are all
[1:35:08] over the place.
[1:35:09] if I'm giving up flex units.
[1:35:18] it's not just the land sale but
[1:35:21] giving up flex units I have a
[1:35:24] lot more questions.
[1:35:26] I may not necessarily want to
[1:35:28] put staff on the spot.
[1:35:31] I can't support it tonight as it
[1:35:33] is.
[1:35:34] I will pass the floor.
[1:35:42] >> as you know I'm fairly new.
[1:35:45] agree with commissioner douglas.
[1:35:48] my concern was the same for the
[1:35:50] affordable housing and east
[1:35:51] sunrise.
[1:35:52] I to would like to kind of wait
[1:35:54] for more information and do more
[1:35:56] research.
[1:35:58] even on other properties they
[1:35:59] have in broward county.
[1:36:02] >> thank you.
[1:36:03] >> mayor ryan.
[1:36:06] >> thank you, deputy mayor.
[1:36:10] first of all thank you to the
[1:36:11] team for being here.
[1:36:14] it's apparent they're incredibly
[1:36:16] knowledgeable and done projects
[1:36:18] like this.
[1:36:19] I think hearing my colleagues
[1:36:24] who have not only reasonable
[1:36:26] questions but gaps of
[1:36:27] information as a courtesy to my
[1:36:29] colleagues I wouldn't want to
[1:36:31] proceed.
[1:36:32] I think this have a project we
[1:36:33] need to be a hundred percent
[1:36:35] behind as we begin it I would
[1:36:41] like to move rapidly up or down.
[1:36:43] I think time is of the essence.
[1:36:47] an outline of plotting is
[1:36:49] laborious and time consuming.
[1:36:51] there are significant policy
[1:36:53] questions raised including
[1:36:55] whether this is the right
[1:36:56] balance of deed restriction and
[1:37:03] it might be correct as a effort
[1:37:06] to jump start the area.
[1:37:08] as pointed out and answered this
[1:37:10] is a legitimate question as to
[1:37:12] whether or not we're doing this,
[1:37:16] kind of excluded some people who
[1:37:19] get in early from the beauty of
[1:37:23] home ownership.
[1:37:24] investing all of your money in a
[1:37:27] single asset and then not able
[1:37:31] to take advantage to improve the
[1:37:34] area.
[1:37:35] based on the questions of
[1:37:40] commissioner douglas.
[1:37:42] fare and reasonable as pointed
[1:37:44] out by assistant deputy mayor
[1:37:47] I'm not sat fights moving
[1:37:49] forward until everyone is
[1:37:52] satisfied.
[1:37:54] >> mr. Scuotto.
[1:37:56] >> okay.
[1:37:58] let's break this down in
[1:37:59] english.
[1:38:00] so this is where it comes down
[1:38:02] to make commissioners
[1:38:05] understand.
[1:38:06] for someone out of the ordinary.
[1:38:12] none of us are developers or do
[1:38:15] what they do.
[1:38:16] here the city had a piece of
[1:38:18] property.
[1:38:19] someone wanted to get rid of it.
[1:38:21] we purchased it.
[1:38:23] we bait it for 9 hundred
[1:38:25] thousand.
[1:38:26] we wanted to develop it.
[1:38:27] we're not a developer.
[1:38:29] we knocked the building down and
[1:38:32] left it for grass.
[1:38:42] we put ideas out this.
[1:38:44] for one problem we bought it for
[1:38:47] nine hundred.
[1:38:48] we're giving it to someone for
[1:38:50] five hundred.
[1:38:51] anyone would say that's pretty
[1:38:53] crazy.
[1:38:54] you have an appraisal that says
[1:38:55] the property now because how
[1:38:57] things have escalated up it's
[1:38:59] worth two million.
[1:39:02] whatever it is.
[1:39:04] that's our investment instead of
[1:39:06] coming out of pocket to give
[1:39:08] someone something to redevelop
[1:39:10] where it is.
[1:39:11] here, we have a couple of
[1:39:15] options.
[1:39:16] we put it out this.
[1:39:17] is the option we chose.
[1:39:18] we could of picked habitat for
[1:39:25] humanity.
[1:39:26] here you want to develop 15
[1:39:30] houses or 20 we could gone that
[1:39:33] route.
[1:39:34] we could of gone to someone else
[1:39:35] and say eight houses on each
[1:39:37] side, single family and give it
[1:39:39] to someone and do that.
[1:39:40] this is what the option was.
[1:39:48] affordable housing.
[1:39:50] everyone thinks of affordable
[1:39:53] housing as what you grew up with
[1:39:55] in new york or chicago. You put
[1:39:57] people in big buildings and give
[1:39:59] free rent or co ops.
[1:40:01] whatever it is.
[1:40:04] affordable housing, commissioner
[1:40:06] douglas it's $400,000.
[1:40:08] it's not credited affordable
[1:40:10] housing.
[1:40:11] but the rate of the market of
[1:40:13] the homes going in all of these
[1:40:16] areas are 300, 100 plus.
[1:40:22] I mean we just approved a
[1:40:24] development that will go out on
[1:40:26] the golf course, 900 units.
[1:40:29] they will start off at 400,000.
[1:40:33] >> we're not giving the public
[1:40:35] that --
[1:40:36] >> no, I'm saying to understand
[1:40:37] for anyone listening.
[1:40:39] they're going to have an option
[1:40:41] to buy a house with no
[1:40:43] restrictions a few at an
[1:40:48] affordable rate.
[1:40:49] because we're putting money into
[1:40:51] this on our own we feel the
[1:40:54] prices should be lower than the
[1:40:56] 100.
[1:40:57] nobody can build under the 400
[1:40:59] now.
[1:41:00] I don't care why they come up
[1:41:09] with the number.
[1:41:31] >> if commissioner douglas has
[1:41:32] the questions then maybe it
[1:41:39] wasn't explained for us to
[1:41:44] understand the money or property
[1:41:45] we're giving towards this.
[1:41:48] you think about busting down the
[1:41:49] numbers.
[1:41:50] when I busted them down if he
[1:41:53] says $200 will be for an hoa.
[1:41:56] okay.
[1:41:58] if you buy a 400,000-dollar
[1:42:01] house your taxes will be about
[1:42:03] four thousand 1000 a year.
[1:42:09] easy.
[1:42:10] now you're buying at 100.
[1:42:13] someone buying may under that.
[1:42:16] four or five thousand.
[1:42:19] then insurance minimum on a
[1:42:20] brand new house 4000.
[1:42:23] so I'm seeing -- we're looking
[1:42:25] at an affordable house in
[1:42:27] sunrise.
[1:42:28] your payment is about 2700 to
[1:42:32] $3000 a month without.
[1:42:40] >> I don't want to give public
[1:42:42] land in a subsidy if they can
[1:42:45] afford to pay that.
[1:42:46] >> that's what I'm saying.
[1:42:48] when I sat on the, what do you
[1:42:50] call it the regional planning
[1:42:51] council for dade county, monroe
[1:42:54] county and broward county I was
[1:42:56] in charge of three different
[1:42:57] counties.
[1:42:58] miami. Has the issues we have to
[1:43:05] give them 20 percent affordable
[1:43:07] housing.
[1:43:19] >> this is confusing to bust it
[1:43:21] out as far as deed restricted.
[1:43:24] he can get more money, people
[1:43:25] can sell.
[1:43:26] people after ten years.
[1:43:28] it seems to be getting more
[1:43:30] confusing as we talking about
[1:43:32] this.
[1:43:33] rather than how simplified it
[1:43:38] is.
[1:43:39] simplified I'm saying there will
[1:43:40] be a dollar amount.
[1:43:41] when someone says a house is
[1:43:43] 100,000 on the east side of
[1:43:46] sunrise.
[1:43:47] you don't have to make as much
[1:43:48] money because you can qualify.
[1:43:50] not with twenty percent down as
[1:43:52] a normal person.
[1:43:53] we will give you a 3% down.
[1:43:58] why is someone buying something
[1:44:19] for 440 there unless it's an
[1:44:22] easy way to qualify unless the
[1:44:26] 3 percent down does help people.
[1:44:28] 3% down does help people at
[1:44:30] 400,000.
[1:44:31] when you have to come up with
[1:44:34] 20,000, $80,000.
[1:44:37] 3 percent down you come up with
[1:44:40] x amount.
[1:44:49] >> I'm not trying to knock
[1:44:52] anything.
[1:44:53] he opened the door and we're
[1:44:56] looking at it not as a two
[1:44:58] hundred thousand dollar condo on
[1:45:00] sunset strip.
[1:45:02] you can buy a home out west here
[1:45:04] for 450,000.
[1:45:06] why do I want to be restricted.
[1:45:09] we are figuring out why that
[1:45:11] person wants to spend 450 there
[1:45:14] and be restricted for ten years
[1:45:15] or someone restricted for 30
[1:45:17] years.
[1:45:20] where is the benefit to me.
[1:45:22] I will pay a 200-dollar hoa.
[1:45:25] out west no hoa.
[1:45:27] if I live in a gated
[1:45:29] community --
[1:45:30] >> what.
[1:45:32] >> you live in a gated
[1:45:34] community.
[1:45:35] I'm saying, mayor ryan, neil has
[1:45:38] an hoa too. Not substantial like
[1:45:42] yours.
[1:45:43] >> one of the things to think
[1:45:44] about, I would say, there is a
[1:45:45] premium for new construction.
[1:45:47] okay.
[1:45:48] there always is.
[1:45:49] you pay more.
[1:45:50] you build the same house 20
[1:45:52] years ago, same square footage
[1:45:54] and build a brand new one today
[1:45:56] you will get a premium for that.
[1:46:05] you are hitting the point we
[1:46:07] have discussed with staff for a
[1:46:09] long time.
[1:46:10] rarely do we do 90% of the homes
[1:46:14] as deed restricted.
[1:46:15] by making 90% deed restricted
[1:46:18] that reduces the price.
[1:46:21] in the preforma the information.
[1:46:23] I want to give you the exact
[1:46:25] numbers.
[1:46:26] I should of brought the lap top
[1:46:27] originally.
[1:46:28] I didn't understand this level
[1:46:30] of specificity.
[1:46:32] we h we projected homes to be
[1:46:35] priced from 358 at the pot only
[1:46:37] end for the ones under a hundred
[1:46:44] percent of the median income.
[1:46:47] one car garage and two car
[1:46:50] garage.
[1:46:51] one car was 1471 square feet it
[1:46:54] had a 3 bedrooms in it.
[1:46:57] the one with the 2 car gar am
[1:47:01] was 1871 with four bedrooms
[1:47:05] okay.
[1:47:06] a hundred percent we projected
[1:47:07] in today's dollars.
[1:47:10] 358 and 372.
[1:47:14] okay.
[1:47:15] 25,000-dollar different.
[1:47:16] for those 100 to 140 percent.
[1:47:20] one car garage 1471 were 375 the
[1:47:26] 140% restricted that were at 4
[1:47:31] bedrooms, two car garage, 1871
[1:47:35] square feet were at 400,000.
[1:47:38] then the market units we
[1:47:39] projected to be 385 for the one
[1:47:42] car garage.
[1:47:44] 1471 square foot unit.
[1:48:04] (lost audio )
[1:49:15] >> I want to sell for or not
[1:49:19] sell or I don't support -- I see
[1:49:22] the anomalies coming.
[1:49:25] you have ten years is not a lot
[1:49:27] of time.
[1:49:29] more than half of the units
[1:49:31] would be at market rate in the
[1:49:33] next ten years.
[1:49:35] look the set that is eleven deed
[1:49:41] restricted for ten years, I
[1:49:43] believe and two, so thirteen.
[1:49:46] almost half.
[1:49:47] within ten years there would be
[1:49:48] a free for all on the market.
[1:49:50] capitalist fro for all.
[1:49:51] then you have another set of
[1:49:53] people here would can only find
[1:49:55] another individual finding.
[1:49:57] how do we enforce that. Maybe
[1:49:59] you can help me too. We would
[1:50:01] seem to be in a position where
[1:50:03] we have play police.
[1:50:06] making sure, I don't know if
[1:50:07] it's on the tkoed, title
[1:50:09] insurance company will say how
[1:50:11] much do you make.
[1:50:12] then you have someone -- you
[1:50:16] remember the liar liar mother
[1:50:18] tkpwapblgdz back in the day.
[1:50:19] how much do I need to make.
[1:50:21] >> let me say something.
[1:50:23] I think this is a really
[1:50:25] interesting point.
[1:50:26] I think commissioner scuotto was
[1:50:28] going towards it initially when
[1:50:30] you do a project like this,
[1:50:32] okay.
[1:50:33] you can talk about how long you
[1:50:34] deed restrict for.
[1:50:36] there are a lot of angles to
[1:50:37] take.
[1:50:38] you know philosophically you can
[1:50:41] come up with different
[1:50:42] approaches.
[1:50:45] here is the key.
[1:50:46] what you're trying to do here,
[1:50:49] you're trying to redevelop a
[1:50:50] neighborhood.
[1:50:51] you're trying to lift a
[1:50:53] neighborhood up.
[1:50:54] one of the ways you can lift a
[1:50:55] neighborhood up.
[1:50:57] say there was no vacant piece of
[1:51:00] property like this.
[1:51:01] you can really inject excitement
[1:51:03] and energy some, you know some
[1:51:06] vision into what the
[1:51:07] neighborhood could become you
[1:51:11] instead.
[1:51:12] there was no vacant pieces of
[1:51:14] land.
[1:51:15] you are relying on one person
[1:51:17] here and one person here.
[1:51:19] one person somewhere else.
[1:51:21] slowly, slowly, slowly overtime
[1:51:23] the whole neighborhood lifts up
[1:51:25] this.
[1:51:26] is different okay.
[1:51:27] you have the chance to put 2
[1:51:29] brand new homes here.
[1:51:30] what that will do is it's going
[1:51:32] to then, yes, that is an
[1:51:35] investment.
[1:51:36] to me, you pick whatever price
[1:51:37] you want to sell it for and see
[1:51:39] if you get someone to buy it at
[1:51:41] the end of the day is to get
[1:51:43] east sunrise moving.
[1:51:46] >> todd: see new construction,
[1:51:47] new investment is possible.
[1:51:50] in this neighborhood.
[1:51:52] you see people fixing up their
[1:51:54] homes all of a sudden.
[1:51:56] it happens time after time after
[1:51:58] time this.
[1:51:59] is not a cra.
[1:52:00] it's not a created redevelopment
[1:52:02] area.
[1:52:03] in essence that's the sprat gee
[1:52:05] you're employing here.
[1:52:06] you're trying to take a
[1:52:08] neighborhood that hasn't grown
[1:52:12] in investment and value as much
[1:52:14] as other neighborhoods in the
[1:52:17] city has.
[1:52:18] you're trying to inject
[1:52:19] investment moot neighborhood to
[1:52:21] make it happen.
[1:52:22] make it happen sooner than it
[1:52:24] otherwise would of if it was
[1:52:26] done in a piece mail basis.
[1:52:29] that's the urban planning theory
[1:52:32] and the redevelopment theory
[1:52:34] behind what you're doing.
[1:52:35] I think it's a sound thaoer.y
[1:52:38] you can get hung up on the sp*s
[1:52:40] specs of the numbers.
[1:52:41] I think the staff and us were
[1:52:43] working towards a solution that,
[1:52:45] that we didn't sell houses for
[1:52:49] six hundred thousand dollars.
[1:52:50] I don't know if I can could sell
[1:52:52] them now.
[1:52:53] some day you could.
[1:52:54] I think, I haven't heard anyone
[1:52:56] say they don't liking our plan
[1:52:57] or concept.
[1:52:59] everyone seems to like it it's
[1:53:00] all about the numbers, about
[1:53:03] what we can sell them for and
[1:53:05] build them for.
[1:53:06] >> you know, sir, I have to be
[1:53:07] honest on the numbers
[1:53:09] unfortunately.
[1:53:10] as much as concepts are great.
[1:53:12] this was printed out on the
[1:53:14] agenda before.
[1:53:15] it's public nothing.
[1:53:16] the offer was four hundred
[1:53:19] grand.
[1:53:20] I got hung up on the numbers.
[1:53:22] the item was pulled.
[1:53:24] now the offer is another hundred
[1:53:26] grand.
[1:53:27] that's a lot of money.
[1:53:28] I'm glad I was on the numbers.
[1:53:33] even if my colleagues approve it
[1:53:35] tonight, I can't.
[1:53:36] I have another hundred grand
[1:53:37] because I expressed my
[1:53:39] discomfort with the numbers and
[1:53:40] the item was pulled.
[1:53:42] forgive me.
[1:53:43] >> no, I'm not asking --
[1:53:49] >> I condition blindly.
[1:53:51] I believe all my colleagues
[1:53:53] support redevelopment.
[1:53:54] we went out there to bat for
[1:53:56] sunrise we development.
[1:53:59] we know whether the money is for
[1:54:02] facade improvement, that has
[1:54:04] happened before or whether we
[1:54:09] buy units.
[1:54:10] we have to put skin in the game.
[1:54:12] the question is whether it's at
[1:54:14] appropriate skin for what is the
[1:54:17] pay back.
[1:54:18] I see here an opportunity, a
[1:54:29] train coming down the road.
[1:54:30] the guy making $75,000 with a
[1:54:34] family of four won't be able to
[1:54:36] buy them.
[1:54:37] we will have to then come back
[1:54:39] and waeufbt conditions we set in
[1:54:41] place.
[1:54:42] I'm afraid that will happen down
[1:54:43] the road.
[1:54:44] >> so I understand where you're
[1:54:46] going as far as what the numbers
[1:54:48] or what you want to see.
[1:54:52] so, yes.
[1:54:53] like you said we agree we have
[1:54:55] to develop this property.
[1:54:57] what goes on the property
[1:54:59] obviously is what they propose.
[1:55:01] how do we get to this point of
[1:55:06] developing property if we're
[1:55:09] still stuck on the three year,
[1:55:11] ten year, thirty year.
[1:55:12] I understand that.
[1:55:13] we have developments in sunrise
[1:55:16] one, two, three, four.
[1:55:17] phase four and three you can't
[1:55:19] rent.
[1:55:20] like you said.
[1:55:21] two you can rent.
[1:55:22] one you can rent is.
[1:55:23] it going to be ten years from
[1:55:24] now when phase three decides,
[1:55:26] you know we need to start
[1:55:28] renting too. I don't know.
[1:55:30] I am not trying to stop a
[1:55:34] development that we have been
[1:55:36] waiting for that we paid for a
[1:55:38] study and we have someone who, I
[1:55:41] am saying we went out to bid.
[1:55:43] we got different people to put
[1:55:46] in what they thought was going
[1:55:47] to be in this site.
[1:55:50] then we have other sites on the
[1:55:52] east side we would love to redo.
[1:55:55] >> I'm not trying to kill this.
[1:55:57] >> no --
[1:56:00] >> the questions.
[1:56:02] >> for me to understand what is
[1:56:05] it that staff has to do or they
[1:56:07] have to do that will make a -- I
[1:56:11] don't care if it's that.
[1:56:13] it has nothing to do with them.
[1:56:14] I don't care who the person is.
[1:56:17] I don't care if you pick artesia
[1:56:19] to say I will blast 18 things
[1:56:22] and do it in a year.
[1:56:23] I don't care, who ever it is I
[1:56:26] want them to do it I just don't
[1:56:28] know if doing these restrictions
[1:56:31] and why he's doing the
[1:56:35] restrictions.
[1:56:36] if we pick him as a developer or
[1:56:38] anyone as a developer and say
[1:56:40] we're building 28 units then
[1:56:43] build 28 units.
[1:56:44] if you want to do affordable you
[1:56:45] have to come up with a formula.
[1:56:48] 70% to 8% of income so someone
[1:56:51] making 70,000 going for a
[1:56:54] regular mortgage may not qualify
[1:56:56] for a 400,000-dollar house.
[1:56:58] I don't know.
[1:56:59] they come up with the formulas
[1:57:01] and restrictions.
[1:57:02] does that help someone.
[1:57:04] >> they can't afford it.
[1:57:08] >> let me get to my thought.
[1:57:10] you picked this way to do this
[1:57:13] with the deed restrictions
[1:57:14] because that is what you have to
[1:57:16] do?
[1:57:17] >> it wasn't our idea.
[1:57:18] that was the staff's idea.
[1:57:22] >> okay.
[1:57:23] >> if you're selling a unit for
[1:57:24] 350,000.
[1:57:25] the max is 420,000 why not just
[1:57:29] build 28 units and first come
[1:57:30] first serve?
[1:57:32] if we did that then the people
[1:57:34] would come to us and say you're
[1:57:36] not doing anything affordable
[1:57:38] for the people on the east side.
[1:57:40] >> the flex units are suppose to
[1:57:42] be affordable.
[1:57:44] >> no, this is what I'm saying.
[1:57:46] this is what I'm saying.
[1:57:48] we're caught, look when I sat on
[1:57:51] the region planning council it
[1:57:55] was the same thing.
[1:57:56] figuring the units, flex units,
[1:58:00] switching.
[1:58:01] parkland was like I don't want
[1:58:02] affordable.
[1:58:03] you can't do that.
[1:58:04] everyone has to have affordable.
[1:58:06] weston and them.
[1:58:08] this is the problem we had back
[1:58:10] then.
[1:58:11] so, I don't know what the median
[1:58:12] is to get to an agreement.
[1:58:14] >> I would like to continue this
[1:58:18] discussion with staff.
[1:58:19] I won't vote on it.
[1:58:22] >> I don't care if we vote.
[1:58:23] where are we going?
[1:58:25] >> we have --
[1:58:29] >> what are we trying to get
[1:58:31] staff and them to do?
[1:58:32] soy understand to make a
[1:58:35] project.
[1:58:36] a project.
[1:58:37] not their project.
[1:58:38] a project.
[1:58:40] >> I won't back myself in a
[1:58:41] corner where I have to flush it
[1:58:46] out here with staff tonight.
[1:58:48] I asked direct questions.
[1:58:50] he answered them.
[1:58:51] the questions that I don't think
[1:58:53] staff is in a position to
[1:58:54] answer.
[1:58:55] he answered them.
[1:58:56] as a result I can't support this
[1:58:58] tonight.
[1:58:59] there are five of us.
[1:59:01] >> let me khoeupl in.
[1:59:02] >> I am just trying to figure
[1:59:05] out what is it, is it deed
[1:59:08] restrictions that is the
[1:59:10] problem?
[1:59:11] that's what I'm trying to find
[1:59:12] out?
[1:59:13] >> I don't think necessarily the
[1:59:14] deed restrictions are the
[1:59:16] problem or not the problem.
[1:59:18] I don't want to weight in on it
[1:59:20] I want to flush it out it could
[1:59:22] be there ought to be a deed
[1:59:24] restriction.
[1:59:25] >> on all of them.
[1:59:26] >> I'm not say that.
[1:59:27] >> I'm saying.
[1:59:28] >> but the compression issue.
[1:59:32] some are winners, some are lose
[1:59:34] s are.
[1:59:35] >> he's saying those that are
[1:59:37] unrestricted he can get more
[1:59:39] money for them.
[1:59:41] why wouldn't he want more money
[1:59:42] and mutt more unrestricted.
[1:59:45] you have to have restricted
[1:59:47] because of the affordable
[1:59:48] housing component?
[1:59:49] >> some it.
[1:59:50] it's complicated.
[1:59:51] that was the agreement we made
[1:59:52] with staff.
[1:59:54] they were concerned that we
[1:59:58] would price it out of the range
[2:00:01] of the neighborhood.
[2:00:03] fyi too.
[2:00:04] you can look on zillow or
[2:00:07] realtor.com.
[2:00:08] the houses in this mediate
[2:00:10] neighborhood are selling in the
[2:00:12] 2s and 3*z now.
[2:00:15] some are cracking over the 3*z.
[2:00:17] prices are going up and they're
[2:00:18] getting to mid 3s for some,
[2:00:20] presumably those fixed up.
[2:00:23] I mean a great thing would
[2:00:25] happen if someone gets priced
[2:00:29] out of this particular
[2:00:30] neighborhood because they didn't
[2:00:32] want to pay the premium for a
[2:00:34] new house think about what
[2:00:36] happens.
[2:00:37] the dynamics of the housing
[2:00:38] market.
[2:00:39] they g they can go to the next
[2:00:40] block, literally and buy a house
[2:00:43] for a hundred thousand dollars
[2:00:44] less.
[2:00:45] they can fix it up.
[2:00:46] that's exactly what you want to
[2:00:48] happen.
[2:00:49] >> I don't know if you have an
[2:00:50] answer to the question.
[2:00:51] I will go back to it.
[2:00:56] how do we enforce, assuming we
[2:00:58] did a deed restriction with a
[2:01:00] differential.
[2:01:01] >> sure.
[2:01:02] >> how do we enforce it ten
[2:01:03] years from now with respect to
[2:01:06] those fourteen locked in for 30
[2:01:09] years.
[2:01:10] ten years from now joe blow
[2:01:12] comes and wants to buy.
[2:01:14] >> oh you're address six, you're
[2:01:18] the 30 year guy.
[2:01:23] who enforces it?
[2:01:24] title?
[2:01:25] the city goes in and says every
[2:01:29] sale taking place we check.
[2:01:31] I don't expect you to baby sit.
[2:01:34] who does the monitoring to make
[2:01:36] sure the guy who hustles on the
[2:01:40] side to make 50,000 more, or
[2:01:43] however he shifts the income.
[2:01:47] okay to get that house you can
[2:01:49] only say you make this amount.
[2:01:51] how do you see that.
[2:01:53] >> fare question, commissioner
[2:01:55] douglas.
[2:01:56] what has happened.
[2:01:57] the town can talk to the city of
[2:02:02] delray and jupiter.
[2:02:05] those are two place wez have
[2:02:06] done this, there maybe one more.
[2:02:08] in delray particularly you have
[2:02:09] the deed restriction on there.
[2:02:11] okay.
[2:02:12] write the deed restriction.
[2:02:14] it basically says there is a
[2:02:16] sign off from the city.
[2:02:19] okay.
[2:02:20] it basically says we meet and in
[2:02:24] compliance --
[2:02:26] >> they do that.
[2:02:27] >> -- it's a simple thing.
[2:02:31] what the city does.
[2:02:33] they're not looking for money
[2:02:34] under the table.
[2:02:35] they're looking at the tax
[2:02:36] return.
[2:02:37] >> if you lie to the federal
[2:02:38] government you know that's
[2:02:41] between you and the federal
[2:02:42] government.
[2:02:43] they have to assume everyone is
[2:02:45] honest.
[2:02:46] you have to show the tax return
[2:02:47] and say this is a eligible
[2:02:49] buyer.
[2:02:50] before you can close the sale,
[2:02:54] the buyer will have a sign off.
[2:02:56] someone has to get the sign off.
[2:02:58] the real estate broker will come
[2:03:00] in and say here is the tax
[2:03:02] return.
[2:03:03] you know john and mary want to
[2:03:06] sell it to, to someone and they
[2:03:17] have to see the tax return.
[2:03:20] >> it's up to you guys to
[2:03:22] control thaplt.
[2:03:23] >> alright.
[2:03:26] [inaudible]
[2:03:27] >> I asked a question, I got the
[2:03:28] answer.
[2:03:29] I'm sure it's useful for my
[2:03:30] colleagues too. Again there are
[2:03:32] questions which I don't want to
[2:03:34] sit here tonight and try to
[2:03:36] flush it out with you.
[2:03:37] I'm sure you are answering my
[2:03:39] questions in good faith.
[2:03:41] we have four appraisals to do.
[2:03:43] I don't know --
[2:03:45] >>
[2:03:49] >> just a second.
[2:03:50] what I hear is that you don't
[2:03:52] want to go forward tonight.
[2:03:54] assistant deputy mayor doesn't
[2:03:59] and the mayor.
[2:04:00] I hear the majority of the
[2:04:02] commission.
[2:04:03] I think someone wants to make a
[2:04:04] motion to table.
[2:04:05] before that I haven't opened
[2:04:07] this up to public comment.
[2:04:08] do I need to do that before a
[2:04:10] motion is made since we have
[2:04:11] done this? I don't --
[2:04:20] >> since you're not voting on it
[2:04:23] you can just motion to table it
[2:04:25] without public hearing.
[2:04:28] next time it comes up it's first
[2:04:30] reading begin and you have
[2:04:31] public comment.
[2:04:32] >> so we are putting it on the
[2:04:34] agenda for the next meeting.
[2:04:36] will everyone have questions
[2:04:38] answered?
[2:04:39] or are we just getting rid of
[2:04:41] the developer and going out to
[2:04:42] bid again?
[2:04:43] I don't understand.
[2:04:44] >> I don't want to be pressed
[2:04:46] into -- it came up the last
[2:04:50] time.
[2:04:51] I have.
[2:04:56] [inaudible]
[2:04:57] I don't want to flush this out
[2:05:02] here.
[2:05:03] I don't know if it will be
[2:05:04] answered the next meeting.
[2:05:05] >> I don't want to bring up next
[2:05:10] meeting and we're not ready to
[2:05:12] vote on it are we going out to
[2:05:14] bid again.
[2:05:15] so, next meeting is enough time.
[2:05:17] >> I don't want to force myself
[2:05:19] into the corner.
[2:05:20] we have the budget.
[2:05:22] I don't know if I will be
[2:05:24] prepared to deal with.
[2:05:25] procedurally however the
[2:05:28] commission, what is the will of
[2:05:30] the commission.
[2:05:31] I don't I won't move to table it
[2:05:34] so it comes next meeting.
[2:05:37] >> you want it put off
[2:05:39] indefinitely?
[2:05:40] >> that's not what I want.
[2:05:42] >> I will motion to table this.
[2:05:44] >> I want to recognize mayor
[2:05:46] ryan.
[2:05:47] >> thank you, deputy mayor.
[2:05:50] I want to be cleared.
[2:05:52] I think the questions raised are
[2:05:54] relevant.
[2:05:55] the balance of deed
[2:05:57] restrictions.
[2:05:58] I want to give staff credit
[2:05:59] here.
[2:06:00] they have been incredibly
[2:06:01] aggressive in trying to maintain
[2:06:03] affordable housing.
[2:06:06] commissioner scuotto, this is a
[2:06:15] great opportunity.
[2:06:17] I recognize as commissioner
[2:06:20] scuotto said and support what he
[2:06:23] said, at some level yes we are
[2:06:26] likely, if it turns out to the
[2:06:29] move of the commission we will
[2:06:31] sell the property less than the
[2:06:34] appraised value.
[2:06:36] we're trying to prime the pump.
[2:06:38] that's the issue.
[2:06:40] the city is stepping in where
[2:06:42] the private market hasn't yet
[2:06:46] been able to recognize.
[2:06:50] we're hopeful if there is an
[2:06:52] investment by city it will
[2:06:54] generate benefits.
[2:06:56] as pointed out it may well
[2:06:58] create opportunities and
[2:07:00] neighborhood surrounding the
[2:07:02] area.
[2:07:03] I did want to move forward at
[2:07:06] some level.
[2:07:07] I extend the courtesy.
[2:07:09] think the questions raised and
[2:07:11] accept commissioner douglas has
[2:07:13] many other questions he doesn't
[2:07:15] want to flush out tonight.
[2:07:17] I know he will, I'm confident he
[2:07:19] will do that with great vigor
[2:07:23] with straf and otherwise.
[2:07:26] a better product for all of sus
[2:07:29] a result of the continued
[2:07:30] effort.
[2:07:31] I want to move forward.
[2:07:32] I think it's fair to the
[2:07:34] developer.
[2:07:35] I think it's fair to staff we
[2:07:36] try to create a time line.
[2:07:38] the next meet is noting until
[2:07:39] the middle of september.
[2:07:41] I recognize we have budget and
[2:07:43] other things.
[2:07:44] we are good at walking and
[2:07:45] chewing gum.
[2:07:46] I'm not trying to be trite or
[2:07:48] short on it would I support
[2:07:50] commissioner scuotto's motion to
[2:07:54] table and second for the next
[2:07:55] meeting.
[2:07:56] as we have always done and we
[2:07:58] have been mindful of our
[2:07:59] colleagues much like I started
[2:08:01] my comments it beginning.
[2:08:04] I'm prepared to move forward on
[2:08:08] a first reading and prepared to
[2:08:11] vote on a first reading
[2:08:13] understanding more needs to be
[2:08:14] done.
[2:08:15] I wouldn't want to press that as
[2:08:16] a courtesy to colleagues.
[2:08:19] I would like to table this for
[2:08:20] the next meeting.
[2:08:22] >> I agree.
[2:08:23] >> I make a motion.
[2:08:24] you want to speak, neil.
[2:08:26] >> no, I will save it for later.
[2:08:28] I agree with the motion.
[2:08:31] >> motion to table it for the
[2:08:33] next meeting.
[2:08:34] >> second.
[2:08:35] >> could we clarify
[2:08:36] september 14th.
[2:08:37] because the september 13th
[2:08:39] meeting is just budget items.
[2:08:42] >> okay september 14th.
[2:08:43] >> 5:00 o'clock.
[2:08:45] >> at 5:00 o'clock.
[2:08:46] >> a motion by commissioner
[2:08:48] scuotto to table.
[2:08:50] a second by commissioner
[2:08:52] douglas.
[2:08:53] is that correct.
[2:08:54] >> I second.
[2:08:55] >> all in favor.
[2:08:56] >> I.
[2:08:57] >> opposed.
[2:08:59] anyone opposed ? 5-0 on the
[2:09:02] motion to table.
[2:09:03] >> thank you.
[2:09:16] >> if I have questions over the
[2:09:18] past month, staff k I contact
[2:09:20] him?
[2:09:21] >> that's fine.
[2:09:22] >> okay.
[2:09:23] >> I am happy to meet with any
[2:09:24] of you individually.
[2:09:26] if you want to look at the
[2:09:27] proforma or numbers I'm happy.
[2:09:31] any of the five commissioners.
[2:09:32] >> appreciate the offer.
[2:09:34] >> thank you.
[2:09:35] >> deputy mayor f I may, I
[2:09:38] forgot your last name, I want to
[2:09:40] thank you.
[2:09:41] you answered all of the
[2:09:42] questions.
[2:09:43] you acknowledged the merits, I
[2:09:45] have enjoyed this presentation.
[2:09:47] I look forward to see you in
[2:09:49] september.
[2:09:50] >> thank you, mr. Hernandez.
[2:10:05] >> let's go to old business 16a.
[2:10:12] a resolution of the city of
[2:10:14] sunrise, florida, a pro*fp
[2:10:16] proving project agreement
[2:10:18] between the city of sunrise and
[2:10:20] hazen and schwaer pc, for
[2:10:24] project agreement --
[2:10:26] >> move it.
[2:10:27] >> motion by commissioner
[2:10:28] scuotto.
[2:10:30] >> second.
[2:10:31] >> second by assistant deputy
[2:10:33] mayor.
[2:10:34] any public hearing?
[2:10:39] >> any comment by my colleagues.
[2:10:44] I think, sorry.
[2:10:46] my contacts are in today having
[2:10:50] a hard time.
[2:10:51] mr. Lubelski has a intro for the
[2:10:58] matter.
[2:10:59] >> thank you.
[2:11:00] there was discussion regarding
[2:11:01] potential acquisition.
[2:11:06] at that point staff provided a
[2:11:08] detailed schedule and cost
[2:11:11] estimate prior to proceeding
[2:11:14] with a consultant agreement.
[2:11:18] in july I provided a schedule.
[2:11:21] the schedule was prepared by
[2:11:25] city staff, outside council.
[2:11:27] the acquisition schedule and s.
[2:11:30] two faces.
[2:11:32] upon approval of the agreements
[2:11:34] phase one will take
[2:11:35] approximately eight months and
[2:11:36] consist of in depth
[2:11:38] consolidation study and rate
[2:11:40] study.
[2:11:41] upon completion of phase one we
[2:11:44] will develop acquisition
[2:11:47] options, commence negotiations
[2:11:50] if appropriate.
[2:11:51] phase one requires significant
[2:11:54] investment for feasibility of
[2:11:56] acquisition.
[2:11:58] y val aations and rate study are
[2:12:00] needed to determine if it's
[2:12:02] feats I believe for either
[2:12:04] party.
[2:12:05] it's critical that he we are
[2:12:06] form the adequate due diligent
[2:12:09] to determine the appraised
[2:12:10] value, lifecycle and costs to
[2:12:14] repair, replace is sustain
[2:12:16] assets.
[2:12:17] further more toy value and apply
[2:12:21] synergies to be project the
[2:12:24] through the con sol stkaeugs of
[2:12:26] city of sunrise and town.
[2:12:31] if the phase one analysis
[2:12:33] determines this is not feasible
[2:12:34] a phase one optimal
[2:12:36] administration, optional
[2:12:38] administration and operational
[2:12:40] analysis will be brought back
[2:12:46] for consideration.
[2:12:47] this will include a examination
[2:12:49] of staff and resources, work
[2:12:51] loads to observe relative
[2:12:53] impacts, advantages and critical
[2:12:56] concerns.
[2:12:57] as stated earlier we will
[2:12:59] develop acquisition options and
[2:13:02] request formal authorizations
[2:13:04] and commence if appropriate.
[2:13:07] this requires a significant
[2:13:09] investment.
[2:13:10] the item before you tonight is
[2:13:12] the project agreement for the
[2:13:13] consulting services with a water
[2:13:18] and waste water design for
[2:13:20] technical due diligent steps for
[2:13:23] phase one.
[2:13:24] -- completed the master plan
[2:13:26] update and has significant
[2:13:28] amount of knowledge of the
[2:13:31] utility system.
[2:13:32] a separate agreement will be
[2:13:34] repraeurd with the utility
[2:13:36] financial consistent and
[2:13:38] submitted as a separate item in
[2:13:42] a future city meeting -- in
[2:13:46] support of a transaction.
[2:13:48] I'm available to answer
[2:13:50] questions regarding this item.
[2:13:52] >> thank you.
[2:13:53] discussion among colleagues.
[2:13:54] >> yes.
[2:13:55] >> commissioner scuotto.
[2:13:58] >> I want to say this is
[2:14:00] probably one of the biggest
[2:14:01] purchase that's this city has
[2:14:03] ever made.
[2:14:04] a water and waste water system.
[2:14:13] it's not like you're buying just
[2:14:14] a car and you get to drive it.
[2:14:17] this is a system we're buying
[2:14:20] and maintaining it for the rest
[2:14:21] of our lives.
[2:14:25] seems like the city of davie
[2:14:28] months ago already had their
[2:14:31] mootings with their mayor and
[2:14:33] five missioners all filled out a
[2:14:37] card whether they want to
[2:14:40] rebuild their systems, how many
[2:14:43] years it would take to build the
[2:14:45] system or just go ahead and let
[2:14:47] sunrise take over the system.
[2:14:50] in that reading it was 5-0.
[2:14:54] 5-0.
[2:14:56] let sunrise take over the
[2:14:57] system.
[2:14:58] so now davie is doing a study
[2:15:02] like we are.
[2:15:05] their study is totally
[2:15:06] different.
[2:15:07] their study is how much is our
[2:15:11] stuff worth.
[2:15:13] literally nothing.
[2:15:14] I'm sorry.
[2:15:15] that's the whole study.
[2:15:17] how much can we get from
[2:15:19] sunrise.
[2:15:20] our study is the total opposite.
[2:15:23] we have to go through the whole
[2:15:25] system and figure out how much
[2:15:28] it will cost.
[2:15:29] obviously davie didn't do it.
[2:15:32] because they figured how much it
[2:15:34] will cost to redo the entire
[2:15:36] system - the cost of fixing the
[2:15:56] infrastructure if it's
[2:15:57] deteriorated or not.
[2:15:59] so, I mean it's just -- the
[2:16:05] first time being up here to
[2:16:07] negotiate something like this
[2:16:13] where you're buying something
[2:16:14] from another city.
[2:16:15] agreeing they don't want it
[2:16:29] anymore.
[2:16:30] whether it's bad planning, bad
[2:16:32] rebuilding, rehabbing.
[2:16:34] so, I jut want to make sure that
[2:16:37] you know hayes and swayer doing
[2:16:43] the study for us.
[2:16:44] they know our system.
[2:16:46] I want to make sure this is the
[2:16:48] money that we're paying
[2:16:50] substantial amount of money to
[2:16:52] do this study that it's the
[2:16:54] study of a lifetime that we want
[2:16:56] to make sure we get all and most
[2:16:59] and correct information because
[2:17:05] buying a system like this.
[2:17:06] we know when we approve water
[2:17:08] and waste water projects in our
[2:17:12] own city it's not like a
[2:17:14] 50,000-dollar project.
[2:17:16] it's continue million, eight
[2:17:18] million, seven million.
[2:17:20] we have 10% of davy right now.
[2:17:23] right now we provide 10%.
[2:17:31] we would bye the 40% left.
[2:17:33] I want to make sure when you buy
[2:17:35] something first dibs usually you
[2:17:39] buy the first 60 because it was
[2:17:42] good.
[2:17:43] I want to make sure we're
[2:17:44] spending the money the right
[2:17:46] way.
[2:17:47] I don't want to buy 40% of
[2:17:48] something something on going.
[2:17:56] yes we have to pit money in, yes
[2:17:59] we have to tie it into our
[2:18:00] system.
[2:18:01] maybe there are ways to shut
[2:18:03] down part of our system.
[2:18:05] our system can handle it.
[2:18:07] I'm just saying to hays and
[2:18:12] swayer do not put us in a bad
[2:18:16] situation.
[2:18:25] >> we have faith in hayes and
[2:18:33] swayer I have to put my faith in
[2:18:36] mr. Welch, rodrigo and the rest.
[2:18:44] someone in the audience out
[2:18:45] there working on the things day
[2:18:47] to day please everybody be
[2:18:51] watching for this.
[2:18:53] this is something major that
[2:18:55] we're going to take over.
[2:18:57] I definitely do not want
[2:19:01] something in the tens of
[2:19:02] millions of dollars to bite us
[2:19:05] later on.
[2:19:06] I wanted to put that out there.
[2:19:08] thank you.
[2:19:09] >> commissioner douglas.
[2:19:10] >> obviously I share my
[2:19:14] colleagues concerns and have
[2:19:19] discuss it did with the city
[2:19:21] manager.
[2:19:22] I imagine our consultants
[2:19:24] without being told would shoot
[2:19:28] straight with us.
[2:19:29] I want to say it would be a
[2:19:30] concern for all of us.
[2:19:32] sunrise is a major regional
[2:19:37] water utility because some
[2:19:40] people who have sat here before
[2:19:42] us made bold decisions about I
[2:19:51] object vesting in a utility
[2:19:53] system.
[2:19:54] some don't have their on water.
[2:19:55] westop and others buying from
[2:19:57] us.
[2:19:58] we have enough for our sells and
[2:19:59] we sell to others.
[2:20:01] that was a bold move.
[2:20:07] we have a perming of funding.
[2:20:11] operating budget each year.
[2:20:14] which obviously if you have
[2:20:15] fixed costs and fixed or certain
[2:20:24] revenues coming in, a enterprise
[2:20:28] system.
[2:20:29] it reduced the need to tax
[2:20:32] residents more to get the amount
[2:20:34] of dollars you need to run the
[2:20:36] budget.
[2:20:37] so, I certainly would want to be
[2:20:40] on the bold side in pursuing
[2:20:42] this.
[2:20:43] obviously I wouldn't move
[2:20:44] forward if the numbers don't
[2:20:48] make sense.
[2:20:49] I want the numbers to come back
[2:20:52] in a way that even the babys can
[2:20:55] see it makes as soon as.
[2:20:58] it ought not to be something
[2:20:59] that we need to be technical,
[2:21:05] have technical skills to figure
[2:21:08] it out.
[2:21:09] he who pays the piper plays the
[2:21:13] tune.
[2:21:14] I do know there are opportunity
[2:21:16] costs associated with taking one
[2:21:18] decision versus another.
[2:21:21] I expect that economies of scale
[2:21:24] may of played a roll in how
[2:21:27] davie made a decision.
[2:21:29] if you have something as
[2:21:34] significant as a water utility,
[2:21:37] significant infrastructure
[2:21:39] required without the
[2:21:41] opportunities to grow it doesn't
[2:21:42] make s-ps to make the further
[2:21:44] invest hadn't.
[2:21:46] I presume given we have the
[2:21:48] scale already that we could
[2:21:50] achieve some economies of that
[2:21:53] scale.
[2:21:54] if we were to buy them.
[2:21:56] where we co-op rate at a lower
[2:21:59] cost and they could based on
[2:22:00] tieing what we already have.
[2:22:02] of course there is the unlocking
[2:22:12] of selling for x.
[2:22:13] a lot of value to unlock if do
[2:22:15] you it the right way.
[2:22:16] I'm quite prepared to ex lore
[2:22:19] this and hopefully beyond the
[2:22:23] right side of history when
[2:22:25] someone talks about whether it
[2:22:28] was the right thing to do to
[2:22:31] prefer sue this opportunity.
[2:22:32] so, I am prepared to support at
[2:22:36] least this initial phase.
[2:22:39] >> assistant deputy mayor.
[2:22:43] >> yes, thank you.
[2:22:46] I'm conflicted on this.
[2:22:48] a gree with you both.
[2:22:50] think it's a good opportunity.
[2:22:52] I feel it's a lot of money for
[2:22:54] phase one.
[2:22:55] we don't know what phase two
[2:22:56] looks like if we move forward.
[2:22:59] also feel like we have our own
[2:23:02] inhouse things that are needd in
[2:23:04] that department.
[2:23:05] where I feel we need to take
[2:23:07] care of our own people first
[2:23:09] before we fix outside.
[2:23:10] I know that there are a number
[2:23:12] of things that need to be
[2:23:14] upgraded or things expected or
[2:23:17] we need to get in our own city.
[2:23:19] I feel like before we invest on
[2:23:22] all, if we should be able to
[2:23:24] look at ours first.
[2:23:25] >> if that makes sense to you.
[2:23:27] so, that's where I feel on that
[2:23:30] particular situation.
[2:23:32] do you have an idea what phase
[2:23:34] two looks like.
[2:23:35] or is that out of the question
[2:23:38] right now?
[2:23:39] >> the phase two costs, we have
[2:23:42] not identified the phase two
[2:23:44] costs on it I believe that the
[2:23:48] consulting engineering component
[2:23:51] the majority is phase one moving
[2:23:54] forward.
[2:23:55] I don't expect there to be a
[2:23:57] significant cost from the
[2:23:58] consulting engineer.
[2:24:01] there be other cots in phase two
[2:24:03] if we move forward with
[2:24:04] acquisition.
[2:24:05] that is consultants, financial
[2:24:09] and bond consultants.
[2:24:11] there will be probably limited
[2:24:13] amounts from hayes and swayer
[2:24:20] phase two.
[2:24:21] a large part of the heavy
[2:24:24] lifting is phase one analysis of
[2:24:26] this.
[2:24:27] we need to do that true analysis
[2:24:29] to make educated recommendations
[2:24:32] to the commission whether to
[2:24:33] proceed regarding assistant
[2:24:42] deputy mayor's concern we
[2:24:44] completed the master plan.
[2:24:45] there is work to do with the
[2:24:47] master plan.
[2:24:48] however the work is not ind
[2:24:49] noted of this.
[2:24:50] we will implement the master
[2:24:52] plan requirements along with
[2:24:53] this phase one analysis.
[2:24:57] we're confident we can do that.
[2:25:00] we realize we have a lot of work
[2:25:02] to do.
[2:25:03] if the commission moves forward
[2:25:04] we're capable of handling it.
[2:25:06] >> mayor ryan.
[2:25:07] >> thank you.
[2:25:08] first of all I congratulate my
[2:25:11] colleagues on the effort and the
[2:25:15] vision as stated in multiple
[2:25:18] meetings including this one as
[2:25:20] well as what, this faces as
[2:25:24] commissioner douglas says is a
[2:25:27] bold decision this.
[2:25:28] is an opportunity worth eve
[2:25:30] investment.
[2:25:32] I am concerns based on the
[2:25:35] assistant deputy mayor's points
[2:25:38] raised are you telling us that
[2:25:40] the investment in this analysis
[2:25:43] is not going to compromise
[2:25:46] operations or investment in
[2:25:48] operations or some how we're not
[2:25:50] taken care of at home while we
[2:25:53] divert funds to the analysis.
[2:25:55] I want to be clear.
[2:25:57] that's a serious concern.
[2:25:58] >> excellent point brought up by
[2:26:01] you and assistant deputy mayor.
[2:26:03] we're confident we can deliver
[2:26:05] the master plan and requirements
[2:26:07] of the master plan and lofty
[2:26:09] goals of the master plan even
[2:26:11] moving forward with the analysis
[2:26:14] with the acquisition.
[2:26:16] >> I'm supportive, no further
[2:26:19] comments.
[2:26:20] >> I'm also supportive.
[2:26:21] we need to have this information
[2:26:23] to make informed decisions going
[2:26:25] forward on this acquisition.
[2:26:27] we need to know the value of the
[2:26:29] condition.
[2:26:32] I think it's, if it comes out
[2:26:35] right we will look like rock
[2:26:37] stars.
[2:26:38] I'm hoping it comes out right.
[2:26:41] any further comments from
[2:26:43] colleagues?
[2:26:44] call the question.
[2:26:45] >> commissioner douglas.
[2:26:46] >> yes.
[2:26:47] >> assistant deputy mayor.
[2:26:49] >> yes,.
[2:26:50] >> deputy mayor.
[2:26:51] >> yes,.
[2:26:52] >> commissioner scuotto.
[2:26:55] >> yes.
[2:26:56] >> mayor ryan.
[2:26:57] >> yes.
[2:26:58] >> item passes 5-0.
[2:27:05] >> new business.
[2:27:06] 17a.
[2:27:09] license plate readers.
[2:27:10] commission discussion and or
[2:27:11] action regarding automated
[2:27:15] license plate readers.
[2:27:17] commissioner joseph a.scuotto.
[2:27:21] >> thank you, commissioner.
[2:27:22] each of us I guess a couple of
[2:27:25] weeks ago each met with the saw
[2:27:28] grass mills mall.
[2:27:30] I think we each met individually
[2:27:33] regarding what they were talking
[2:27:35] about, what the county wanted to
[2:27:40] do at saw grass with the trans
[2:27:42] or station hub and whatever
[2:27:43] else.
[2:27:44] so at that meeting I just
[2:27:47] happened to be chatting with
[2:27:49] them afterwards.
[2:27:50] started to talk about you know
[2:27:53] security at the mall and
[2:27:54] different things like that about
[2:27:56] the mall.
[2:27:59] I asked them about the license
[2:28:00] plate readers.
[2:28:01] I said how many security
[2:28:03] vehicles do you have out at the
[2:28:06] mall.
[2:28:07] I think they said six or eight
[2:28:09] security vehicles.
[2:28:10] that two of the security
[2:28:12] vehicles had license plate
[2:28:14] readers on them.
[2:28:17] soy just started to talk to them
[2:28:19] in general about if they were
[2:28:21] interested in you know like if
[2:28:25] the city wanted to expand that.
[2:28:28] would they be interested in I
[2:28:30] know putting more on the
[2:28:32] vehicles.
[2:28:33] you know like that.
[2:28:35] a random conversation with them.
[2:28:37] I get a lost cops that come into
[2:28:41] my restaurant.
[2:28:43] this was probably I want to say
[2:28:47] maybe eight months maybe more
[2:28:49] than that, ago.
[2:28:50] they were telling me they just
[2:28:52] met with, met with, they were
[2:28:54] meeting with someone about
[2:28:56] putting more readers in the
[2:28:59] city.
[2:29:01] so, I was just listening to what
[2:29:06] they had to say.
[2:29:07] how they say it's helped them
[2:29:09] solve crimes and different
[2:29:10] things like that. I just started
[2:29:11] to ask the chief and get
[2:29:13] information about the license
[2:29:16] plate reader.
[2:29:18] I started to say have we, you
[2:29:20] know, we have some in the city.
[2:29:23] I said if something has happened
[2:29:25] in the city have we used lauder
[2:29:27] hill readers.
[2:29:28] their answer was yes.
[2:29:32] the county has installed them at
[2:29:35] m. Park because of the gun
[2:29:37] range.
[2:29:38] one way in, one way out.
[2:29:39] there are readers in this park
[2:29:47] in sunrise.
[2:29:48] I asked how is there a way we
[2:29:50] would be able to figure out if
[2:29:52] the mayor or commission.
[2:29:53] if I brought this up.
[2:29:55] if we want to expand on this.
[2:29:56] so there are different linings
[2:30:03] like that. People have asked for
[2:30:08] money, asked how to fund it I
[2:30:13] just wanted to bring this up.
[2:30:17] ft. Lauderdale has whatever.
[2:30:28] lauder hill has over 200.
[2:30:30] I don't know the number we have,
[2:30:32] but to me as a outsider, to help
[2:30:37] the police to solve I just think
[2:30:41] these are very I straouplt al.
[2:30:44] that is my personal opinion.
[2:30:47] would I bring the chief up if he
[2:30:49] has -- I just want to ask him a
[2:30:52] few questions regarding it.
[2:30:53] >> chief rosa, come on up.
[2:30:58] >> we have the red light
[2:30:59] cameras.
[2:31:00] I know red light cameras are
[2:31:02] touchy for a lot of people.
[2:31:04] even previous commissioners
[2:31:06] before us.
[2:31:07] I was trying to see how we could
[2:31:10] afix these tag readers to things
[2:31:13] that we don't have to pay for
[2:31:17] costs when we already have.
[2:31:20] so I'm trying to see.
[2:31:21] I would have to talk to lubelski
[2:31:28] to see if there are other things
[2:31:30] we can mount the readers to, to
[2:31:35] expand it.
[2:31:37] chief, you no I brought this up.
[2:31:39] I just, for the information,
[2:31:42] this is no back up -- chief,
[2:32:15] what wills can we do stpheplts a
[2:32:17] couple of questions there.
[2:32:19] I will start with what we
[2:32:20] can'tly own or have ago assess
[2:32:22] too.
[2:32:23] the city owns eight cameras.
[2:32:25] they're in zit configurations.
[2:32:28] you mentioned the mall vehicles.
[2:32:30] the city ons that camera.
[2:32:34] they a sit us with hits moat
[2:32:36] buying us when they get hits.
[2:32:39] we also have four that are on
[2:32:42] camera trailers.
[2:32:43] portable trailers that we have.
[2:32:46] we have two on speed trailers.
[2:32:49] one fixed at thent raps at the
[2:32:51] pd reporting traffic by there.
[2:32:54] as far as the other ones within
[2:32:56] the city so the mall has a
[2:33:02] camera, that is mobile in the
[2:33:03] mall parking lot.
[2:33:04] this are two fixed cameras that
[2:33:07] we have access to the data from
[2:33:09] in the orange garage at the
[2:33:11] mall.
[2:33:12] then there is three cameras at
[2:33:17] thent raps and exits capturing
[2:33:20] the in and out traffic of the m.
[2:33:24] park.
[2:33:25] what we have now is a little
[2:33:27] disjointed with varying levels
[2:33:31] of access alerts and
[2:33:34] accessibility to the cameras.
[2:33:36] as far as where the cameras,
[2:33:38] where we could add cameras.
[2:33:40] there is a lot of different
[2:33:41] option s available to us.
[2:33:45] everything from using our light
[2:33:48] poles, red light camera program
[2:33:51] or identifying other poles
[2:33:52] available in the city.
[2:33:54] I don't know where those are or
[2:33:56] what they are.
[2:33:57] we may have to do research and
[2:33:59] study based on what we want to
[2:34:01] do.
[2:34:02] >> what about the cost?
[2:34:14] >> it varies greatly.
[2:34:19] we have to identify a funding
[2:34:22] source or in a different
[2:34:24] scenario there could be findings
[2:34:25] available through revenues city
[2:34:29] is getting to the red light
[2:34:30] cameras.
[2:34:31] there is a cost to everything.
[2:34:33] >> what is the cost for the
[2:34:35] reader.
[2:34:36] >> I can't answer the question.
[2:34:39] >> how much is one on a car?
[2:35:00] >> the cost is different for the
[2:35:02] hardware and the service you
[2:35:03] want.
[2:35:04] it's variable.
[2:35:06] >> the usefulness of the
[2:35:07] readers.
[2:35:08] are they useful to you.
[2:35:09] >> very useful.
[2:35:11] we -- parts of our investigative
[2:35:17] process, you mention -- they
[2:35:20] have the most robust programs,
[2:35:28] lou derhill we initiate cases.
[2:35:34] we use their system.
[2:35:36] it's very valuable.
[2:35:38] >> okay.
[2:35:42] >> I just want to bring it up.
[2:35:44] if this is something -- I would
[2:35:47] like to know what the costs are
[2:35:51] to see how we could, if it's the
[2:35:53] will of the commission to
[2:35:55] implement and get more.
[2:35:57] to do it as a phase in.
[2:35:58] years ago saw grass mill mall
[2:36:27] was the number one stolen car
[2:36:31] lot.
[2:36:32] that's what we were known for
[2:36:34] when it opened.
[2:36:35] to me I just, knowing what from
[2:36:38] the cops tell me from lauder
[2:36:42] hill.
[2:36:43] ft. Lauderdale tell me how much
[2:36:46] it helps them, knowing we use
[2:37:01] their equipment.
[2:37:02] to protect people.
[2:37:03] you have phase one, two, three,
[2:37:05] four.
[2:37:06] the main artery in and out of
[2:37:09] those.
[2:37:10] you either have to get out on
[2:37:12] university, nob hill, pine
[2:37:15] island, 115th, or open park
[2:37:19] and 70th or whatever you call
[2:37:22] that street.
[2:37:23] you put six right there you can
[2:37:24] protect whatever ten, fifteen
[2:37:26] thousand people as far as having
[2:37:30] a reading to cover that amount
[2:37:33] of people.
[2:37:35] then again that's where we get a
[2:37:38] lot of people who prey on
[2:37:41] elderly.
[2:37:42] maybe some of those cars,
[2:37:44] they're using as stolen that
[2:37:47] prey on whatever they're robbing
[2:37:50] the cars or whatever.
[2:37:54] not saying we have high rates of
[2:37:56] crime.
[2:37:57] you don't need multiple
[2:37:58] crimes -- one incident we had
[2:38:01] this week went a shooting.
[2:38:03] if he with had a camera
[2:38:05] somewhere afixed.
[2:38:06] a shopping center that partners
[2:38:08] with us where every car has.
[2:38:15] you get on the saw grass you
[2:38:16] have the easy pass.
[2:38:18] we have the sen pass here.
[2:38:20] everywhere you drive it's
[2:38:22] flicking to charge you by the
[2:38:27] mate.
[2:38:28] I can't see why this can't help
[2:38:32] us solve --
[2:38:33] >> commissioner scuotto.
[2:38:36] >> yes.
[2:38:37] >> can I interrupt for a second.
[2:38:39] >> yes.
[2:38:43] >> I completely support the
[2:38:45] effort here.
[2:38:46] would you be willing.
[2:38:47] I would support a motion if
[2:38:48] that's what you're I tended to
[2:38:50] do to direct to the police
[2:38:52] department to look at increasing
[2:38:54] in either phased capacity or
[2:38:56] otherwise particularly the
[2:38:58] budget hearing upcoming the best
[2:39:00] use of this.
[2:39:01] I believe it's a powerful law
[2:39:03] enforcement tool in the city and
[2:39:05] cooperation with others through
[2:39:06] the points you have raised.
[2:39:08] perhaps we can find out if
[2:39:10] others agree and the police
[2:39:11] department can move forward.
[2:39:12] we're not telling them where to
[2:39:14] put it we can offer suggestions
[2:39:16] but this is a great opportunity.
[2:39:18] I appreciate you bringing this
[2:39:20] forward.
[2:39:25] >>
[2:39:27] [inaudible]
[2:39:28] >> this is where I'm going with
[2:39:29] this.
[2:39:30] the police chief was not able to
[2:39:31] answer many of the details.
[2:39:33] I suggest the police chief meets
[2:39:49] with us individually and bring
[2:39:50] it back.
[2:39:51] I don't want to make a motion
[2:39:53] and tkregt, go into town
[2:39:56] without --
[2:39:57] >> I didn't put it out there.
[2:39:59] >> I'm not talking I'm
[2:40:01] responding to the mayor to
[2:40:03] direct him to move forward.
[2:40:05] >> let me clarify, point of
[2:40:08] order.
[2:40:09] I didn't suggest move forward.
[2:40:10] move forward for a study to the
[2:40:12] commission.
[2:40:13] that's all I suggested so we all
[2:40:15] have it I don't disagree with
[2:40:17] what you're saying.
[2:40:18] I didn't suggest to go to town.
[2:40:20] >> point of order.
[2:40:22] you want to rule point of order,
[2:40:24] mayor.
[2:40:27] I don't know -- I'm just saying
[2:40:31] I thinks it r. It's useful that
[2:40:34] we all be briefed.
[2:40:36] you have mentioned that there
[2:40:37] are many ways this could be
[2:40:39] done.
[2:40:40] so come to us with framework
[2:40:42] that you think is the most
[2:40:43] effective.
[2:40:44] meet with each of us.
[2:40:46] then --
[2:40:49] >> hear what everyone had to
[2:40:51] say.
[2:40:52] I didn't put action item.
[2:40:53] I wanted to bring up.
[2:40:55] it happened to be.
[2:40:56] I met with the people from saw
[2:40:59] grass mills mall.
[2:41:00] I asked about the guy on the
[2:41:01] roof.
[2:41:02] I said, did he get driven there
[2:41:07] or walk there.
[2:41:08] then it lead into the reader.
[2:41:09] >> I commend you bringing it
[2:41:11] forward.
[2:41:12] I don't think we have enough --
[2:41:14] >> that's what I said.
[2:41:15] >> gentlemen, let me give
[2:41:17] commissioner g. A chance to
[2:41:20] speak.
[2:41:21] >> soy just briefly looked at
[2:41:22] the rates.
[2:41:24] 15,000 to 30,000.
[2:41:26] I don't know if that's accurate.
[2:41:28] I'm supportive of it I do want
[2:41:30] to know if there is a way to
[2:41:32] find out.
[2:41:34] -- I imagine they should know
[2:41:36] the background.
[2:41:38] the pricing, the company to use.
[2:41:41] if we could find out that
[2:41:43] information.
[2:41:44] I would be happy to meet with
[2:41:46] you to discuss more.
[2:41:47] >> yes, ma'am.
[2:41:48] >> I also would like to have
[2:41:50] more information.
[2:41:51] we're not moving on this
[2:41:52] tonight.
[2:41:53] meet with us.
[2:41:54] provide us a plan.
[2:41:55] let us know the cost.
[2:41:56] I think the justification is
[2:41:58] there.
[2:41:59] I think we lack -- chief I think
[2:42:03] you understand the consensus
[2:42:06] where we want to go with the
[2:42:07] item.
[2:42:08] >> I will put a plan together
[2:42:10] with order and plan for
[2:42:14] implementation.
[2:42:16] >> by the way it's going
[2:42:19] obviously your determination how
[2:42:22] do you this.
[2:42:23] in terms of red light cameras I
[2:42:30] would rather not.
[2:42:31] I don't want to their to balloon
[2:42:35] and be married to the red light
[2:42:37] camera program.
[2:42:38] if this commission or future
[2:42:39] commission decides the red light
[2:42:42] camera program is no longer
[2:42:44] right for the committee I don't
[2:42:45] want us to say oh, our license
[2:42:49] plate readers are tied to it and
[2:42:52] can't terminate it I would
[2:42:54] rather they stand alone.
[2:42:55] >> we utilize the infrastructure
[2:42:59] of the poll for the power.
[2:43:01] >> that's what I want to know.
[2:43:03] how much does it cost to put on
[2:43:06] a car, a poll, a building.
[2:43:08] >> he will meet with us to
[2:43:09] provide the information to us.
[2:43:11] >> thank you, chief.
[2:43:12] >> thank you.
[2:43:13] >> 17b.
[2:43:14] ordinance creating residency
[2:43:16] requirements for charter
[2:43:19] officers.
[2:43:20] commission discussion and or
[2:43:21] action regarding first reading
[2:43:23] of an ordinance of the city of
[2:43:26] sup rice, florida, amending
[2:43:29] chapter 2, administration,
[2:43:32] article four officers and moe
[2:43:35] he's division one generally --
[2:43:38] commissioner douglas to you
[2:43:39] first.
[2:43:40] >> so I have always had my eyes
[2:43:48] out for various way that's we
[2:43:50] could improve our governance and
[2:43:52] strengthen our structure.
[2:43:55] coming off of the making the
[2:43:59] fire chief a charter officer I
[2:44:01] recall -- little offing here by
[2:44:07] default more so than a
[2:44:10] requirement.
[2:44:11] I'm happy to live here.
[2:44:12] there was nothing requiring them
[2:44:14] to do that.
[2:44:16] then I remember as we were I ter
[2:44:19] viewing last police chief I
[2:44:25] think it was my colleague
[2:44:27] commissioner scuotto choose to
[2:44:30] respond to things on a flash.
[2:44:34] weather the new chief is within
[2:44:38] shooting range of the city.
[2:44:41] thank god we didn't take him up
[2:44:43] on it.
[2:44:44] by now he would have been
[2:44:45] divorced.
[2:44:46] he did offer to move here.
[2:44:47] -- we don't spend it or carry
[2:45:02] out the policies.
[2:45:03] we die very well many that down
[2:45:06] to our charter officers.
[2:45:07] they have significant
[2:45:09] discretion.
[2:45:10] the treasurer the community and
[2:45:19] also the discretion given to
[2:45:22] them.
[2:45:24] they make decisions that impact
[2:45:26] this community in very
[2:45:30] significant ways.
[2:45:32] so you know obviously zit
[2:45:35] communities across country.
[2:45:37] our county, our state as
[2:45:38] various, answeried ways or
[2:45:42] different positions they require
[2:45:44] should be residents of our city.
[2:45:48] as someone e mealing me today in
[2:45:53] support of the ordinance.
[2:45:55] they said if you're making
[2:45:56] decisions that amount to
[2:45:58] spending millions of dollars of
[2:46:00] our communities dollars you
[2:46:03] ought to have an investment.
[2:46:05] it makes you they think what
[2:46:07] you're doing much more.
[2:46:12] I brought this forward for the
[2:46:14] commission's consideration.
[2:46:17] obviously I made it all
[2:46:21] inclusive.
[2:46:22] this commission can weight in as
[2:46:24] to whether it wants to support
[2:46:26] it, not support it, support it
[2:46:29] in some form or another.
[2:46:32] I kind of put this on here.
[2:46:35] the backups are there.
[2:46:38] >> assistant deputy mayor.
[2:46:46] >> I understand where you're
[2:46:47] coming from.
[2:46:48] it makes sense.
[2:46:49] based on the variance here I
[2:46:51] think the chief is doing a great
[2:46:52] job.
[2:46:53] I will give you an example --
[2:46:57] there are a couple who live in
[2:47:00] the city and some that don't.
[2:47:02] I feel they're doing a
[2:47:03] phenomenal job.
[2:47:05] I don't know if I would like to
[2:47:07] fully support that.
[2:47:10] that is my opinion.
[2:47:11] >> mr. Scuotto.
[2:47:14] >> the mayor would like to speak
[2:47:16] as well.
[2:47:17] >> I will get him next.
[2:47:19] >> I don't have a, the city
[2:47:23] clerk, I mean not that she's on
[2:47:27] an essential worker.
[2:47:29] I think if she didn't live in
[2:47:30] the city it's not detriment to
[2:47:34] us.
[2:47:35] kim, not to say the same I could
[2:47:41] understand if the people who --
[2:47:44] not to say you're not working
[2:47:46] every day.
[2:47:47] if something would fire we have
[2:47:50] something major, destruction, a
[2:47:52] fire, whatever a gas leak or
[2:47:54] whatever yes we want the police
[2:47:56] or the fire chief to be close to
[2:47:58] us.
[2:47:59] the hurricane issues and stuff
[2:48:04] like that.
[2:48:05] it's nice to know they are
[2:48:08] there.
[2:48:09] police chief.
[2:48:10] those and the city manager.
[2:48:11] to me those three -- I'm saying
[2:48:15] if you ask for a conscience.
[2:48:18] >> no I totally.
[2:48:20] I didn't want to leave anyone
[2:48:22] out.
[2:48:23] at the same time I'm prepared to
[2:48:24] hear from you what is more
[2:48:26] important.
[2:48:27] >> you brought it up.
[2:48:28] I -- if you asked me personally
[2:48:32] I would say the city clerk and
[2:48:33] the city attorney I wouldn't,
[2:48:37] yes I would love every charter
[2:48:39] officer to live in the city the
[2:48:41] same way the city commission
[2:48:43] have to live in the city of
[2:48:45] sunrise.
[2:48:46] years ago when we had contracts
[2:48:48] for police and for general
[2:48:52] employees we made it in the
[2:48:55] beginning that if you wanted a
[2:48:58] take home car I had to live in
[2:49:00] the city of sunrise.
[2:49:02] if you're a police officer and
[2:49:04] wanted a take home car you had
[2:49:06] to live in the city of sunrise.
[2:49:08] if you lived outside you didn't
[2:49:10] get a take home car.
[2:49:11] >> you should if back there.
[2:49:14] >> no, I'm saying.
[2:49:16] general employees we said if
[2:49:18] you're a call out.
[2:49:19] a person in utility where if the
[2:49:21] pipe breaks you're the person
[2:49:23] that is the call out and you
[2:49:24] live outside of the city you are
[2:49:27] able to have a take home car.
[2:49:30] if you live outside of the city
[2:49:31] and there is a main break and
[2:49:34] it's your weekend to work it's
[2:49:37] okay to have.
[2:49:38] I am saying we did things kind
[2:49:41] of like that.
[2:49:42] so my personal would be the city
[2:49:47] manager should, I know, if he's
[2:49:49] running the city of a thousand
[2:49:51] plus employees and to deal with
[2:49:54] us five I mean then the police
[2:50:00] chief and fire chief.
[2:50:01] efplts I didn't think it was
[2:50:03] right to write it and make the
[2:50:05] decision.
[2:50:06] >> no, no.
[2:50:07] emit at the same time.
[2:50:09] >> if you're trying to get a
[2:50:11] conscience.
[2:50:12] >> yes.
[2:50:13] >> it would be nice if they all
[2:50:15] lived in the city.
[2:50:16] if we broke it down that would
[2:50:20] be my breakdown.
[2:50:22] >> if it's the will of the
[2:50:23] commission, I would agree but I
[2:50:26] wouldn't want to change it now
[2:50:27] for the people here.
[2:50:29] I'm saying, just saying I
[2:50:31] wouldn't want to change that.
[2:50:35] I don't think that it in anyway
[2:50:39] limits the person that is in our
[2:50:48] infrastructure of the city that
[2:50:50] wants to move up because they
[2:50:52] live outside of the city doesn't
[2:50:54] mean they wouldn't get that job.
[2:50:57] >> it means after they get the
[2:50:59] job --
[2:51:01] >> it would be within a certain
[2:51:03] time frame.
[2:51:04] >> 160 days.
[2:51:06] 1 months.
[2:51:07] the reason I put 6 months.
[2:51:11] >> right now the market would be
[2:51:13] you can buy a house that fast.
[2:51:34] [inaudible]
[2:51:35] >> no I'm it willing you why I
[2:51:36] chose that six months.
[2:51:38] assume someone took the job --
[2:51:42] [inaudible]
[2:51:43] >>like we did.
[2:51:58] >> I think it's reasonable to
[2:51:59] buy or rent.
[2:52:00] I think 180 days gives you the
[2:52:03] opportunity one or the other.
[2:52:05] I thought about the school board
[2:52:08] where people say --
[2:52:11] >> huh-uh.
[2:52:15] >> I wanted to make sure someone
[2:52:18] was certificate toying they
[2:52:19] lived here.
[2:52:20] I have heard it with schools.
[2:52:23] state legislatures.
[2:52:24] >> commissioners.
[2:52:26] >> they say -- they don't live
[2:52:31] there.
[2:52:32] I don't want --
[2:52:33] >> yes,.
[2:52:34] >> if you're making these major
[2:52:36] decisions that affect peoples
[2:52:38] lives I think you should have --
[2:52:41] if you don't foal like you can
[2:52:43] live in sunrise.
[2:52:44] >> allen lived in new york.
[2:52:46] when al not took the job in
[2:52:48] sunrise he purchased his house
[2:52:50] in sunrise.
[2:52:52] >> I'm saying if you don't think
[2:52:54] our community is good enough to
[2:52:56] live in, it shouldn't be good
[2:52:58] enough for to you make your
[2:53:00] money.
[2:53:01] >> that is not --
[2:53:03] >> -- to the greater.
[2:53:06] [inaudible]
[2:53:07] >> before, mayor ryan.
[2:53:10] >> yes, first of all I want to
[2:53:14] clarify.
[2:53:16] this is not up for first
[2:53:17] reading.
[2:53:18] this has been drafted.
[2:53:20] the debate or discussion is
[2:53:21] whether to put it on for first
[2:53:23] reading, correct?
[2:53:28] >> it is on for first reading.
[2:53:32] >> alright so a couple of
[2:53:34] issues.
[2:53:35] one, this needs to be opened up
[2:53:37] for a public hearing on this
[2:53:39] matter if it's on for a first
[2:53:40] reading.
[2:53:41] >> second I want to thank ms. K.
[2:53:45] for drafting this ordinance with
[2:53:46] first detail.
[2:53:47] first time hearing this as an
[2:53:49] issue.
[2:53:50] it does appear you took a lot of
[2:53:52] time to put this together.
[2:53:54] looking at the legal issues that
[2:53:56] needed to be vetted from a
[2:53:58] constitutional and statutory
[2:54:01] framework.
[2:54:02] I appreciate it.
[2:54:03] this has been put on for a first
[2:54:06] reading opposed to commission
[2:54:09] discussion.
[2:54:10] I know you took it seriously.
[2:54:11] I don't support this item.
[2:54:13] I don't see this has been
[2:54:17] historical.
[2:54:19] I understand the sincer and
[2:54:21] honest feelings of the sponsor
[2:54:24] of this ordinance.
[2:54:27] I don't take issue with the
[2:54:30] basis of this.
[2:54:32] I haven't seen this as a disease
[2:54:36] we need to cure.
[2:54:37] I think that I will use john
[2:54:41] brooks as a perfect example.
[2:54:43] he didn't live in sunrise.
[2:54:44] I don't think any of us who had
[2:54:47] the opportunity and honor to
[2:54:50] work with chief brooks would say
[2:54:52] he ever felt that sunrise was
[2:54:55] not his priority.
[2:54:56] -- assuming the positions about
[2:55:32] their own dedication and
[2:55:36] commitment to the city.
[2:55:37] there could most certainly be
[2:55:39] employees coming through the
[2:55:40] ranks who haven't lived in
[2:55:44] sunrise but live in the
[2:55:46] neighboring towns and have their
[2:55:48] investments and life there but
[2:55:51] have lead the city for
[2:55:52] commitment at a work level that
[2:55:55] they wouldn't be eligible to
[2:55:59] sell a home or rent.
[2:56:01] really, you know not necessarily
[2:56:04] a game that is intended.
[2:56:07] what is the purpose of renting
[2:56:11] in sunrise to prove they should
[2:56:12] be the charter officer, police
[2:56:15] chief or city clerk.
[2:56:17] appreciate the effort that was
[2:56:19] put into this.
[2:56:20] I haven't reviewed all of the
[2:56:23] case law or anything.
[2:56:24] I accept the clauses and believe
[2:56:27] this is something the commission
[2:56:29] decides to pass they could stand
[2:56:32] up.
[2:56:33] I think the commission can test
[2:56:37] any applicant coming forward.
[2:56:39] I won't support this tonight.
[2:56:41] I won't support this in a
[2:56:43] compromised way.
[2:56:44] I have seen, each charter
[2:56:47] officer living in this city or
[2:56:49] not I have never had a doubt
[2:56:51] that they were fully committed
[2:56:52] to the city and in fact we have
[2:56:55] had some living here and we
[2:56:57] doubted if they were the
[2:56:59] appropriate person.
[2:57:01] so, I jut don't find this to be
[2:57:04] necessary nowhere do I think it
[2:57:07] strength nots pezly the
[2:57:08] governance.
[2:57:09] I understand the honest and
[2:57:11] sincere philosophy behind it.
[2:57:17] >> assistant deputy mayor.
[2:57:21] >> yes.
[2:57:22] I feel we would miss out on
[2:57:23] having a good candidate versus
[2:57:26] someone living in the city
[2:57:27] qualifying.
[2:57:28] it's a good idea.
[2:57:41] I don't agree or think it's the
[2:57:43] greatest.
[2:57:44] >> I don't believe this ties in.
[2:57:49] it could open up with gaming.
[2:57:51] someone who has a family they
[2:57:53] don't want to move.
[2:57:54] they have a house on the beach.
[2:57:56] they will say their home address
[2:57:57] is their sisters or rent a one
[2:58:00] bedroom apartment and not live
[2:58:01] there to get around.
[2:58:02] I think this can be addressed
[2:58:04] were we choose to hire a
[2:58:06] contract part of this.
[2:58:08] I don't see it as a ordinance
[2:58:14] requirement.
[2:58:15] I think it weighs if we choose
[2:58:17] to hire a particular charter
[2:58:19] officer.
[2:58:20] obviously when I had discussions
[2:58:22] with chief rosa when he became
[2:58:25] our police chief and lived in
[2:58:26] palm beach I had concerns that
[2:58:28] if there was a shooting, brooks
[2:58:31] was this in five minutes.
[2:58:33] chief rosa committed voluntarily
[2:58:36] to relocate, him and his family
[2:58:39] to sunrise, to do that and be
[2:58:42] there.
[2:58:43] that's what I would look for in
[2:58:44] a police chief.
[2:58:45] I don't know where ms. K. Lives.
[2:58:49] if she had a nice house on the
[2:58:51] beach I could understand why she
[2:58:53] wouldn't want to sell her house
[2:58:55] and come and live in sunrise.
[2:58:57] I think she would do just as
[2:59:00] good of a job living on the
[2:59:02] beach as in sunrise.
[2:59:04] I don't see this as an ordinance
[2:59:06] type thing.
[2:59:08] for all of our charter officers.
[2:59:10] I do agree with commissioner
[2:59:12] scuotto and douglas that the
[2:59:15] fire chief and the chief of
[2:59:17] police and quite frankly our
[2:59:18] city manager should all reside
[2:59:23] as close as possible if not in
[2:59:26] sunrise.
[2:59:28] for city attorney and our city
[2:59:30] clerk, I don't see the need.
[2:59:35] they're not responding to public
[2:59:37] records request at 2:00 in the
[2:59:39] mortgage.
[2:59:40] the courthouse is not open at
[2:59:42] 9:00.
[2:59:43] for me I wouldn't support this
[2:59:48] as an ordinance.
[2:59:49] I definitely champion the cause
[2:59:52] for the hiring decisions for our
[2:59:55] city manager or police chief.
[3:00:03] any other comments.
[3:00:04] >> nothing else to be said.
[3:00:08] >> point of order, deputy
[3:00:10] mayor --
[3:00:13] [inaudible]
[3:00:14] >> point of order --
[3:00:16] [inaudible]
[3:00:22] >> I will get my pound of fleshy
[3:00:26] eventually.
[3:00:27] rest assured.
[3:00:28] >> point of order.
[3:00:29] point of order.
[3:00:30] >> I'm sorry.
[3:00:32] >> everyone knows I always get
[3:00:34] my pound of flesh.
[3:00:36] >> mayor ryan, go ahead.
[3:00:38] >> of course this is a well
[3:00:40] sponsored and well thought out
[3:00:42] ordinance.
[3:00:43] this doesn't reflect anything
[3:00:45] negative on commissioner --
[3:00:47] >> mayor you don't have to rub
[3:00:49] my back.
[3:00:50] I get it I raised it.
[3:00:55] [inaudible]
[3:00:56] >> I thank you for drafting
[3:00:57] this.
[3:00:58] I saw the mayor harped on miss
[3:01:05] k. And the hard work she did.
[3:01:07] I don't want anyone to under
[3:01:13] mind each commissioner has the
[3:01:15] opportunity to bring a ordinance
[3:01:17] forward.
[3:01:18] I don't know if there was an
[3:01:21] under tone it was an ordinance
[3:01:30] without a discussion.
[3:01:31] >> I can respond to that.
[3:01:32] commissioner douglas.
[3:01:33] [inaudible]
[3:01:35] >> I don't think we need to --
[3:01:37] we have k. Vote something up.
[3:01:39] vote it down.
[3:01:40] I don't want the message to go
[3:01:43] if you foal it's something you
[3:01:44] need to bring forward reject it
[3:01:47] the public space.
[3:01:49] you know --
[3:01:50] >> I don't think that is
[3:01:52] happening.
[3:01:53] I think the backup and agenda is
[3:01:56] what needs to be done.
[3:01:57] at least I had an idea where you
[3:02:02] were going today.
[3:02:03] I'm not knocking commissioner
[3:02:05] scuotto with license plate
[3:02:07] readers.
[3:02:08] I had no idea where that was
[3:02:10] going today.
[3:02:11] I do appreciate effort and work
[3:02:15] that went onto getting this so
[3:02:20] we -- I don't think anyone was
[3:02:22] knocking it.
[3:02:23] >> I wasn't knocking it I was a
[3:02:25] firming that the authority we v
[3:02:30] there have been comments made
[3:02:31] about whether I brought
[3:02:33] something forward or someone
[3:02:34] else brought something forward
[3:02:36] and this were concerns about
[3:02:38] utilizing city attorney
[3:02:40] resources on something that was
[3:02:42] controversial without first
[3:02:45] raising it.
[3:02:46] I don't take that position.
[3:02:48] I support you bringing this
[3:02:50] forward.
[3:02:51] I wanted to thank ms. K.
[3:02:53] this is an important discussion.
[3:02:55] there is the point this is the
[3:03:06] first reading and we have to
[3:03:08] have a public hearing.
[3:03:09] >> anymore discussion before the
[3:03:11] public hearing?
[3:03:12] this is a public hearing anyone
[3:03:14] wishing to weight in on this
[3:03:15] item please step forward.
[3:03:19] no one is stepping forward in
[3:03:21] the galley.
[3:03:22] tory, anyone on-line to talk
[3:03:24] about this?
[3:03:26] >> no hands raised.
[3:03:29] >> I will close the public
[3:03:30] hearing part of this.
[3:03:32] a vote required?
[3:03:35] >> this was a motion and a
[3:03:37] second.
[3:03:38] yes, a vote.
[3:03:39] >> let's call the question.
[3:03:40] >> there was no motion.
[3:03:45] I thought there was.
[3:03:47] >> this wasn't.
[3:03:48] >> they just went into
[3:03:52] discussion.
[3:03:53] I don't have a motion or a
[3:03:54] second.
[3:03:55] >> a motion.
[3:03:56] >> a motion.
[3:03:57] >> motion by commissioner
[3:03:58] scuotto.
[3:04:01] >> second my assistant deputy
[3:04:04] mayor.
[3:04:05] >> reopen public hearing.
[3:04:07] >> reopen public hearing.
[3:04:09] anyone wishing to comment on
[3:04:10] this item?
[3:04:11] nobody stepping forward.
[3:04:13] I will close public hearing.
[3:04:15] tory anyone on the line to
[3:04:17] comment on this item?
[3:04:18] >> no deputy mayor, nobody has a
[3:04:20] hand raised.
[3:04:22] >> nobody has a hand raised.
[3:04:24] I will close public hearing.
[3:04:26] anyone among us wish to
[3:04:28] reiterate any comments.
[3:04:31] I will incorporate the comments.
[3:04:34] able to call the question now.
[3:04:36] >> I think so.
[3:04:37] >> yes, sir.
[3:04:38] >> thank you.
[3:04:41] call the question place.
[3:04:42] >> commissioner scuotto.
[3:04:46] >> yes.
[3:04:47] >> commissioner douglas.
[3:04:48] >> yes.
[3:04:49] >> assistant deputy mayor.
[3:04:52] >> yes,.
[3:04:53] >> you're voting to approve or
[3:04:56] pass this.
[3:04:57] >> I'm sorry, no.
[3:04:58] I'm against it.
[3:04:59] my apologies.
[3:05:01] thank you for stopping me.
[3:05:02] >> deputy mayor.
[3:05:04] >> no.
[3:05:05] >> mayor ryan.
[3:05:06] >> no.
[3:05:07] >> item fails 3-2
[3:05:10] >> new business c.
[3:05:15] sports programs.
[3:05:16] commission discussion and or
[3:05:18] action regarding city of sunrise
[3:05:20] sports programs in the leisure
[3:05:23] services department.
[3:05:24] assistant deputy mayor jacquelyn
[3:05:27] a.guzman.
[3:05:29] >> I have been in the sports
[3:05:30] program here since 2012.
[3:05:33] since then the last pugh years I
[3:05:35] have seen a concern with the
[3:05:36] volunteers we have, for coaches.
[3:05:38] that goes for every sport.
[3:05:40] basketball, football, flag,
[3:05:42] soccer.
[3:05:43] so, I just pretty much wanted to
[3:05:46] see if and how we can address
[3:05:50] the recruitment for coaches.
[3:05:52] the coaches I have seen the last
[3:05:55] few years they're either not
[3:05:57] trained, experience.
[3:05:58] I understand you have to start
[3:06:00] somewhere.
[3:06:01] just the culture of being
[3:06:02] disrespectful.
[3:06:04] cursing in front of our
[3:06:05] children, our teams.
[3:06:08] I get it they hear it I don't
[3:06:10] think it's a good representation
[3:06:12] of our city knowing we have high
[3:06:14] standards to our own staff.
[3:06:16] I hope we can address the
[3:06:20] situations moving forward.
[3:06:21] w edesperately need it.
[3:06:23] >> mr. Lubelski ahead.
[3:06:29] >> thank you.
[3:06:30] I have spoken with the assistant
[3:06:33] deputy mayor with this.
[3:06:35] we have rules and regulations
[3:06:36] from a coaching stand point.
[3:06:38] I have talked with staff.
[3:06:39] I think there are opportunities
[3:06:40] for improvement in training our
[3:06:42] volunteers and making sure that
[3:06:45] we make our rules and
[3:06:47] regulations very clear to them.
[3:06:51] providing the tools necessary to
[3:06:52] be successful.
[3:06:53] one of the things we're looking
[3:06:55] at is potentially developing a
[3:06:58] inhouse video more mandatory
[3:07:01] training.
[3:07:02] I think there is a clearly an
[3:07:03] opportunity.
[3:07:05] we look forward to making
[3:07:06] improvements.
[3:07:29] >> I want to first thank the
[3:07:31] coaches who are coaching,
[3:07:35] they're parents.
[3:07:36] there are not coaches.
[3:07:37] there are kids.
[3:07:38] when I grew up coaches coached
[3:07:40] because their kids moved on.
[3:07:43] here we're a working city most
[3:07:46] of the parents men and women who
[3:07:48] coach have a kid on the team.
[3:07:52] a lot of times they're not even
[3:07:54] a real coach.
[3:07:55] they're just a parent.
[3:07:56] most of the time we don't have
[3:07:58] enough parents to coach.
[3:08:02] we're always trying to recruit
[3:08:05] so, that is where the training
[3:08:07] comes in.
[3:08:08] they're not actually a coach
[3:08:10] they're a parent.
[3:08:11] so, they may come off a
[3:08:13] different then maybe a coach who
[3:08:16] did have the training.
[3:08:17] >> I don't agree with you there.
[3:08:19] I have volunteered as a coach
[3:08:21] for years.
[3:08:22] I don't have the experience.
[3:08:23] I know that. I'm open to
[3:08:25] suggestions and training.
[3:08:27] >> if that was available I'm
[3:08:28] happy to learn.
[3:08:29] however up don't have to be a
[3:08:30] experienced coach to be
[3:08:32] respectful and mindful of the
[3:08:34] children you're coaching.
[3:08:35] as a parent having respect for
[3:08:37] who you deal with on a daily
[3:08:39] basis, communication, cursing,
[3:08:41] being disrespectful.
[3:08:43] you don't have to -- it doesn't
[3:08:45] matter if you're a parent or
[3:08:47] not.
[3:08:48] I'm thankful for the coaches now
[3:08:49] there.
[3:08:50] are some that are not having
[3:08:51] children on the team.
[3:08:52] I know this personally.
[3:08:54] they're coaching which is great.
[3:08:55] it's not always the case.
[3:08:58] >> I am saying it's f. The
[3:09:00] parent is disrespectful parent .
[3:09:08] so let's have a video, do
[3:09:10] training.
[3:09:11] >> obviously.
[3:09:13] >> I'm agreeing with you.
[3:09:16] they're mostly parents that are
[3:09:18] coaching.
[3:09:19] that's what I'm saying.
[3:09:20] so a lost them don't go through
[3:09:22] the training because we end up
[3:09:24] having years ago we would have
[3:09:27] 20 teams never had enough
[3:09:29] coaches to coach.
[3:09:31] at least now we have enough, we
[3:09:35] barley have enough teams.
[3:09:37] we have enough parents.
[3:09:40] it went from one extreme to the
[3:09:42] other.
[3:09:43] I coached here for years for my
[3:09:44] niece christina for softball and
[3:09:48] everything.
[3:09:49] so I know, then again you have
[3:09:52] parents that are just -- think
[3:09:56] it's a major league baseball
[3:09:58] game or major league soccer game
[3:10:00] and get so into it.
[3:10:02] you know they get.
[3:10:03] they do.
[3:10:04] I mean, alis places soccer,
[3:10:15] football -- in the last two or
[3:10:18] three years I haven't seen many
[3:10:20] of the coaches be that crazy.
[3:10:22] you mainly see a lost parents
[3:10:25] that run their mouths more to
[3:10:28] the referees than the actual
[3:10:30] coach.
[3:10:31] sometimes you have a very
[3:10:32] aggressive coach.
[3:10:33] we saw that when we played
[3:10:44] plantation.
[3:10:45] man station coaches were
[3:10:47] structured to win every game.
[3:10:49] where you know the coachs in
[3:10:53] sunrise were like from the
[3:10:56] 60s, free spirited, have fun.
[3:11:00] I'm just saying sometimes you
[3:11:01] have that.
[3:11:02] I agree.
[3:11:04] the training is most important.
[3:11:10] let's go further to the sports
[3:11:11] program.
[3:11:12] we hay million training
[3:11:13] facilities and people who came
[3:11:17] here to come and help the kids.
[3:11:21] to do the little cams and prep
[3:11:23] our kids.
[3:11:24] you know.
[3:11:32] >> you have a kid playing rec
[3:11:34] with a little talent the travel
[3:11:37] team comes and takes the kitted
[3:11:38] and tells the parent don't pay
[3:11:41] $75 to the city for the year.
[3:11:44] pay me a hundred tkharz a month,
[3:11:45] I will teach your kid.
[3:11:47] it turned no a major business.
[3:11:49] we see that with soccer.
[3:11:51] we had a great soccer program.
[3:11:54] now they just split.
[3:11:55] 14u, 1u that eastbound the mayor
[3:12:07] coached they split.
[3:12:08] now you have the sunrise sharks,
[3:12:11] sunrise sing.
[3:12:13] you get the calls.
[3:12:14] I don't have a field.
[3:12:17] I need a field.
[3:12:19] they call the team sunrise.
[3:12:21] mean while they play all games
[3:12:23] in weston, right.
[3:12:25] serious, right now.
[3:12:26] you know.
[3:12:27] they play all of the games in
[3:12:29] weston.
[3:12:30] their name is sunrise.
[3:12:32] none of the kids from sunrise
[3:12:34] but they want to use our field.
[3:12:36] listen, even if it's one kid on
[3:12:38] the team, he's still a sunrise
[3:12:43] kid we want to help them.
[3:12:45] then we have the sunrise theme
[3:12:47] who promoted sunrise who
[3:12:50] really -- I was against the
[3:12:55] astro turf.
[3:12:56] the mayor was for astro turf.
[3:12:58] I use to do my own polling up
[3:13:00] here.
[3:13:02] neil busted me one time.
[3:13:03] I went down loot line and asked
[3:13:06] every kid, turf or grass, turf
[3:13:08] or grass, turf or grass.
[3:13:10] we got to a point that we have a
[3:13:13] great program.
[3:13:16] we built a beautiful facility
[3:13:19] for the kids to play on.
[3:13:20] now the kids from weston want to
[3:13:22] use our fields.
[3:13:23] where is the balance.
[3:13:24] you know.
[3:13:25] these people are about money.
[3:13:27] some of them.
[3:13:28] not all of them.
[3:13:29] then you have nasty coaches.
[3:13:37] if someone is giving me a
[3:13:39] hundred dollars a month I
[3:13:40] wouldn't be nasty.
[3:13:41] if I volunteer and make nothing
[3:13:43] and my kids are losing every
[3:13:46] game I'm nasty.
[3:13:47] there is the training.
[3:13:48] so the training and see what we
[3:13:54] can do to help the kids with the
[3:13:56] mini camps to help the girls
[3:13:59] pitch this.
[3:14:00] isn't enough girls times on the
[3:14:02] team.
[3:14:03] one girl pitches decent.
[3:14:04] now they're trying to get
[3:14:06] another girl to learn to pitch.
[3:14:07] it's an art.
[3:14:10] it's not something you pick up
[3:14:13] over night.
[3:14:14] we have to have little camps for
[3:14:15] teaching the kids.
[3:14:16] girls softball.
[3:14:18] boys baseball.
[3:14:19] we have beautiful facilities
[3:14:24] with the pitching pounds and
[3:14:26] everything that we begged for 20
[3:14:28] years to get with the batting
[3:14:30] cages let's use them and have
[3:14:33] someone train our kids.
[3:14:34] that's all I say.
[3:14:36] >> commissioner douglas, do you
[3:14:37] have anything on this one?
[3:14:39] >> he's just nasty.
[3:14:50] >> I wasn't a sports guy until
[3:14:52] my son played football.
[3:14:54] I have a soft spot.
[3:14:56] any group dynamic I involve
[3:14:58] myself I observe as much as I
[3:15:01] can.
[3:15:02] I did see that most parents are
[3:15:07] doing it from a good faith
[3:15:09] perspective.
[3:15:10] running lines, being passionate.
[3:15:12] most know their children won't
[3:15:14] be super stars.
[3:15:16] they get involved as coaches.
[3:15:22] [inaudible]
[3:15:24] >> would have never thought.
[3:15:25] >> I have seen coaches pushing
[3:15:27] my son a little hard.
[3:15:29] you know I get passionate.
[3:15:31] I understand that passion will
[3:15:33] come with it I certainly think
[3:15:37] though if we were to make it
[3:15:39] mandatory, take training and so
[3:15:42] on you won't necessarily --
[3:15:45] >> they go through the
[3:15:49] background check and all of
[3:15:51] that.
[3:15:52] >> sigh cases you don't have
[3:15:53] people running the lines.
[3:15:55] I never ran a line before.
[3:15:57] I had to run a line.
[3:15:58] there are times I remember
[3:16:01] specifically with tackle this
[3:16:02] were challenges with the
[3:16:03] leadership and the parents
[3:16:04] didn't want to participate.
[3:16:06] it fell apart.
[3:16:09] thank god it was salvaged.
[3:16:12] I know you're passionate and
[3:16:14] close to baseball thing.
[3:16:15] mayor ryan has been involved
[3:16:17] with so manier for sometime.
[3:16:20] we all have, the rest of you
[3:16:22] have had your own experiences
[3:16:24] with sports.
[3:16:25] I think we want to keep it
[3:16:31] amateur and not force
[3:16:33] requirements because you have a
[3:16:35] lot of people that just have to
[3:16:37] chip in.
[3:16:38] like I was there.
[3:16:42] I could of been considered a
[3:16:44] coach at that point.
[3:16:45] there weren't enough people to
[3:16:46] run the lines.
[3:16:47] I ran the lines.
[3:16:48] if we have that as a requirement
[3:16:51] then you know you would see a
[3:16:55] challenge.
[3:16:56] >> mayor ryan.
[3:16:57] >> yes, thank you.
[3:16:58] first of all thank you for
[3:17:01] raising this.
[3:17:02] I think it's always good for us
[3:17:03] to reexamine our programs and
[3:17:08] what is going on.
[3:17:10] you have been out on the fields
[3:17:11] this.
[3:17:12] is what you see.
[3:17:13] there it's real.
[3:17:14] your feelings are rational.
[3:17:16] I think it is an issue that from
[3:17:19] time to time we have to revisit.
[3:17:22] as was said I did soccer,
[3:17:26] baseball, I have coached flag
[3:17:29] football.
[3:17:30] each have different
[3:17:32] characteristics.
[3:17:33] the coaches are different for a
[3:17:34] variety of reasons.
[3:17:36] I also think the parents are
[3:17:38] different in each of those for a
[3:17:40] variety of reasons.
[3:17:41] it can be difficult to coach
[3:17:44] baseball because the parents are
[3:17:46] so close.
[3:17:47] of course after a couple of
[3:17:48] seasons as mentioned I think
[3:17:49] every parent and every coach
[3:17:51] thinks they can coach the
[3:17:53] yankees or mets.
[3:17:54] they know how to navigate all of
[3:17:56] the complexities of it.
[3:17:59] all that had said.
[3:18:01] it's clear the commission
[3:18:03] appreciates as does staff the
[3:18:05] commitment of the volunteering.
[3:18:10] they love the sport, they love
[3:18:12] working with children.
[3:18:13] that being said I don't think as
[3:18:17] has been suggested, and kevin
[3:18:21] would appreciate this I don't
[3:18:39] think it would do much.
[3:18:47] -- we have had to deal with
[3:18:49] coaches more animated and maybe
[3:18:52] inappropriate in terms of her
[3:18:54] conduct and discussion point.
[3:18:57] I thought that would be
[3:18:58] replicated for the parents.
[3:19:00] often times it can be quite
[3:19:03] challenging for the coaches.
[3:19:05] you have parents that are
[3:19:06] inappropriate.
[3:19:07] soccer instituted a rule that
[3:19:11] was pretty strict.
[3:19:13] there is no coaching from the
[3:19:14] sidelines.
[3:19:15] no yelling at the revs.
[3:19:17] did you it was a potential
[3:19:19] penalty.
[3:19:20] it's hard as a parent.
[3:19:21] the first few times I was on the
[3:19:24] sidelines not coaching it's hard
[3:19:26] to sit on your hands and not be
[3:19:28] animated at the ref, coach or
[3:19:30] simply the circumstances.
[3:19:32] there is nothing wrong with
[3:19:34] reminding everyone in the
[3:19:37] programs when we expect from
[3:19:39] them in terms of behavior.
[3:19:41] we don't expect this is a
[3:19:43] professional endeavor t-fpltz a
[3:19:44] fun opportunity for those who
[3:19:47] discover their own talents and
[3:19:50] build confidence and
[3:19:52] camaraderie.
[3:19:53] I thank you for bringing this
[3:19:55] forward.
[3:19:56] a yee with all comments made.
[3:19:58] the need to remind.
[3:20:01] think staff can handle this
[3:20:02] going forward.
[3:20:03] I'm sure they would appreciate
[3:20:06] they have the opportunity to
[3:20:07] remind the coaches.
[3:20:09] I will end with this most
[3:20:11] leagues require a coach to go
[3:20:13] through a orientation.
[3:20:14] we had to do it for soccer every
[3:20:17] year.
[3:20:18] the rules never changed.
[3:20:19] it was always the same.
[3:20:20] not saying it's the most fun
[3:20:21] meeting.
[3:20:22] kevin and his staff always tried
[3:20:24] to make it interesting whether
[3:20:26] it was giving away balls for
[3:20:29] practice or whatever.
[3:20:30] there is nothing wrong with the
[3:20:32] mandatory meetings.
[3:20:33] thank you assistant deputy
[3:20:35] mayor.
[3:20:36] >> assistant deputy mayor
[3:20:38] guzman.
[3:20:40] >> I will say waterhill usually
[3:20:42] has -- heat coming and
[3:20:46] hurricanes and camps for the
[3:20:47] weekends.
[3:20:48] if we could do that I think it
[3:20:50] would be good for city.
[3:20:51] I wanted to bring up the point
[3:20:53] from the mayor, if we're, you
[3:20:55] know, I don't think requiring or
[3:20:58] mandating they do this virtual
[3:21:01] training of some sort.
[3:21:02] I don't think it will push those
[3:21:04] coach as way I think it will
[3:21:06] make those parents appreciate
[3:21:08] that we are trying to have a
[3:21:10] positive culture in our city and
[3:21:12] they are part of the program
[3:21:14] too.
[3:21:15] so hopefully we can wean out the
[3:21:17] not so great coaches and bring
[3:21:19] in better ones.
[3:21:20] >> if I may deputy mayor to add
[3:21:22] one point that was said, I noah
[3:21:27] sis instant deputy mayor, you
[3:21:28] have seen this.
[3:21:29] we know who the coaches were,
[3:21:32] perhaps walking as close to the
[3:21:34] line in terms of how they
[3:21:36] conduct themselves.
[3:21:37] I think the coaches are doing
[3:21:39] the right thing.
[3:21:40] welcoming the opportunity to get
[3:21:45] the same lectures so we don't
[3:21:47] have to do it.
[3:21:48] I agree with you.
[3:21:50] >> I was a coach one time for
[3:21:55] soccer.
[3:21:56] I never played a game of socker
[3:21:59] in my life.
[3:22:00] my son was one of those team
[3:22:02] that's didn't have a coach, it
[3:22:04] was either I coached or no team.
[3:22:08] so, I was forcefully
[3:22:12] volunteered.
[3:22:15] went out and had fun.
[3:22:17] at the end of the day I realize
[3:22:20] I didn't know what I was doing.
[3:22:22] thank god youtube was around for
[3:22:25] drills and explain some things
[3:22:28] this.
[3:22:29] is recreational sports.
[3:22:33] amateurs, it's to have fun.
[3:22:36] this needs to be a code of
[3:22:38] conduct.
[3:22:41] the cursing.
[3:22:43] I'm supportive of a training
[3:22:44] video.
[3:22:45] this is what you don't do with a
[3:22:51] parent yelling and screaming at
[3:22:52] the referee.
[3:22:53] this is what you don't do.
[3:22:55] pro and con.
[3:22:57] however you want to do it.
[3:22:58] on our sports program as a
[3:23:00] recreational level there needs
[3:23:03] to be a minimum set of standards
[3:23:05] where curses are not cursing and
[3:23:07] yelling.
[3:23:08] this is not, as everyone says
[3:23:10] these kids maybe one out of all
[3:23:12] recreational programs may make
[3:23:14] it to a professional.
[3:23:16] hopefully some will make college
[3:23:17] and high school athletics.
[3:23:19] I think that's where that comes
[3:23:21] in.
[3:23:22] the point of the programs are to
[3:23:23] get the kids to try to explore,
[3:23:26] see if it's something they want
[3:23:28] to do.
[3:23:29] not develop them into nfl, msl,
[3:23:34] nba, that's someone else's job.
[3:23:38] supportive of that.
[3:23:39] any other discussion?
[3:23:46] >> 17d.
[3:23:48] ready to move forward.
[3:23:50] city manager anual review.
[3:23:53] commission discussion and or
[3:23:54] action regarding of the annual
[3:23:56] review and evaluation of the
[3:23:59] city manager.
[3:24:01] city manager mark lubelski.
[3:24:04] >> if coy just --
[3:24:07] >> go ahead.
[3:24:09] >> yes, last year it was the
[3:24:11] first time we did it.
[3:24:34] [inaudible]
[3:24:35] >> I was going to have them each
[3:24:36] come up and do a evaluation and
[3:24:39] then we give an evaluation.
[3:24:42] does that fly with everyone.
[3:24:44] nobody is saying no.
[3:24:45] I guess we will proceed that
[3:24:48] way.
[3:24:49] mr. Lubelski the floor is yours
[3:24:52] on your an actual review.
[3:24:54] >> thank you.
[3:24:55] city manager.
[3:24:56] it's been a pleasure and honor
[3:24:58] to serve as city manager over
[3:25:00] the past year.
[3:25:01] I am incredibly proud of the
[3:25:03] work of the city commission,
[3:25:04] city employees, residents,
[3:25:06] businesses have accomplished
[3:25:09] over the past year.
[3:25:10] to adapt and respond to covid-19
[3:25:12] pandemic, still maintaining
[3:25:14] focus and long term goals of the
[3:25:16] city.
[3:25:17] although the city has many core
[3:25:20] values embedded in the culture I
[3:25:22] reinforce three pillars daily.
[3:25:28] outstanding customer service,
[3:25:31] transparently, collaboration
[3:25:34] with all levels.
[3:25:35] attached is a list of major
[3:25:38] accomplishments of the last year
[3:25:40] this.
[3:25:41] is a test euplt of the city
[3:25:43] commission and all employees
[3:25:45] across the organization.
[3:25:46] again I thank you for the
[3:25:47] opportunity to serve the
[3:25:49] commission, residents, city of
[3:25:51] sunrise.
[3:25:52] wasn't planning to go over each
[3:25:54] item.
[3:25:56] if the commissioners have
[3:25:58] questions I'm available.
[3:26:00] thank you, again.
[3:26:01] >> thank you.
[3:26:02] this memorandum is attached to
[3:26:04] the agenda.
[3:26:07] who wants to go first.
[3:26:09] commissioner scuotto, thank you
[3:26:12] for volunteering.
[3:26:13] >> okay.
[3:26:14] no problem.
[3:26:17] >> where should I start.
[3:26:20] it has been a privilege to work
[3:26:22] with you.
[3:26:23] over the last twenty years.
[3:26:26] close to it anyways.
[3:26:28] to give you that opportunity to
[3:26:32] move up to the city manager,
[3:26:37] supported as a 5-0.
[3:26:42] so show me good skills, show me
[3:26:46] your bad skills.
[3:26:47] over the last year it is a
[3:26:50] different time because when
[3:26:53] richard was city manager when I
[3:26:56] wanted to know something I
[3:26:57] called you.
[3:26:58] now since you're city manager I
[3:27:02] want to hear about something I
[3:27:04] call sean.
[3:27:06] it's living kind of the same.
[3:27:09] you have been very approachable.
[3:27:12] I think you have done a she will
[3:27:16] good job.
[3:27:19] sometimes you -- you may miss a
[3:27:25] couple of meetings.
[3:27:27] you didn't give us all of the
[3:27:28] information.
[3:27:29] I think that's more or less the
[3:27:30] learning curve.
[3:27:31] you got beat up a little bit.
[3:27:33] I guess that maybe taught you to
[3:27:34] make sure you give us all of the
[3:27:36] information you needed.
[3:27:38] just sometimes you know -- I
[3:27:45] don't know if it's just me but
[3:27:48] we have ideas and we run them by
[3:27:51] you.
[3:27:52] we have suggestions, it's good
[3:28:06] to rip thupgdz by you.
[3:28:08] whether I bring it up at a meet
[3:28:11] willing or just in general to
[3:28:13] you.
[3:28:14] to think of things, to hear your
[3:28:17] feedback, to think if I should
[3:28:19] bring it up or not.
[3:28:20] whether it's a business we have
[3:28:54] a issue or not a issue but the
[3:28:56] way the davie thing came about
[3:29:00] with the water and waste water.
[3:29:01] I may of been hot for a moment.
[3:29:05] going through it and thinking of
[3:29:08] why you brought it up this way
[3:29:09] or how you, you know said it
[3:29:12] this way or what not, I think
[3:29:16] it's a good understanding for
[3:29:18] ups and downs.
[3:29:20] that's the type of city manager,
[3:29:22] some previous city managers
[3:29:24] didn't have that.
[3:29:25] you know it was like in one ear
[3:29:29] and out the other.
[3:29:30] some are more knowledgeable than
[3:29:33] others.
[3:29:34] some went on their own beaten
[3:29:36] path.
[3:29:37] I think you as a person, I think
[3:29:44] you're a responsible person and
[3:29:47] dedicated to the city.
[3:29:48] I think you showed that in the
[3:29:50] planning department.
[3:29:52] think because we saw that or I
[3:29:53] saw that I saw where you could
[3:29:57] go.
[3:29:59] you're not just institution al
[3:30:01] knowledge of the city but of the
[3:30:03] planning.
[3:30:04] of where you want to see the
[3:30:06] city.
[3:30:07] maybe because you have that
[3:30:09] planning background.
[3:30:10] some people may of had a finance
[3:30:12] back ground.
[3:30:13] maybe they're a numbers person.
[3:30:16] I think you having assistant
[3:30:21] city managers you can have the
[3:30:23] mix of a number person, vision
[3:30:26] person, go-getter person.
[3:30:27] so, I see that in your pick.
[3:30:32] who you picked.
[3:30:33] not only for assistants but who
[3:30:39] you moved around in the city.
[3:30:42] there are positions we need to
[3:30:46] build.
[3:30:47] I know it's not your fault we're
[3:30:49] not filling them.
[3:30:50] there are positions in other
[3:30:54] cities think about moving to
[3:30:57] sunrise.
[3:30:58] you know maybe if they have ten
[3:30:59] or fifteen years in another city
[3:31:01] they're thinking twice.
[3:31:03] do I want to go work for
[3:31:05] sunrise.
[3:31:09] you know we get people that come
[3:31:12] down to the end.
[3:31:13] your department, another
[3:31:14] department.
[3:31:15] then they go somewhere else.
[3:31:17] it's frustrating.
[3:31:19] we're at a important we get
[3:31:21] people and then lose them.
[3:31:23] so, over ale I just think your
[3:31:29] communication skills with me are
[3:31:31] good.
[3:31:32] just making sure that not just
[3:31:34] because we get to hire I it
[3:31:43] should go down to every
[3:31:44] department head.
[3:31:45] everyone should be treated the
[3:31:47] same exact way.
[3:31:48] I'm sure you do that.
[3:31:51] little things shouldn't fall
[3:31:54] between the cracks.
[3:31:55] you should know that going up.
[3:31:58] just be more, you know not just
[3:32:02] to the five of us.
[3:32:04] because the other people that
[3:32:06] are your directors, they can
[3:32:10] hurt you just as much as the
[3:32:13] commission could fire you.
[3:32:15] because they could do things
[3:32:16] that disrupt, you know a whole
[3:32:20] department.
[3:32:21] put you in a worst situation
[3:32:23] because you may of picked that
[3:32:25] person.
[3:32:26] so it's just sometimes the
[3:32:29] little things that get people.
[3:32:32] we had that before.
[3:32:33] so, I think you're deserving of
[3:32:38] you know good rating from me.
[3:32:43] so, that's all I have to say.
[3:32:45] >> commissioner douglas.
[3:32:53] >> I can't speak to too many
[3:32:55] prior managers.
[3:32:57] I can only speak to one prior.
[3:32:59] I can say you're an improvement.
[3:33:04] I will start with that.
[3:33:05] you did outline in your feedback
[3:33:08] to the commission some of the
[3:33:09] different target areas that you
[3:33:13] focused on over past year that
[3:33:16] we have chosen you to lead the
[3:33:18] organization as our chief
[3:33:20] executive.
[3:33:21] you know we can't talk about
[3:33:27] anything without mentioning
[3:33:29] covid and the paeupl pact on our
[3:33:32] community and our city.
[3:33:33] I think our staff has done a
[3:33:41] tremendous effort holding it
[3:33:44] together.
[3:33:45] as the leader I have to give you
[3:33:49] credit how you managed your
[3:33:51] staff.
[3:33:52] your levels have been delivered
[3:33:59] during a crisis in our
[3:34:00] community.
[3:34:01] so, the over all management of
[3:34:05] the covid situation in our
[3:34:07] community I have to commend your
[3:34:10] leadership and how you marshaled
[3:34:13] your troops in insuring the
[3:34:15] service delivery and structure
[3:34:21] continued to function.
[3:34:22] we have had many, many
[3:34:24] concerning moments.
[3:34:27] with respect to how covid
[3:34:33] impacted our community none of
[3:34:35] us had experience dealing with
[3:34:40] such a crisis.
[3:34:42] we are here today not out of the
[3:34:45] woods in terms of how it's
[3:34:46] affecting our community but
[3:34:48] certainly we would of managed
[3:34:51] through a significant period of
[3:34:54] the affect on our community and
[3:34:57] so far we have been able to
[3:34:59] shuts tane our service deliver.
[3:35:02] I harp en on service delivery.
[3:35:06] that's what we are, a service
[3:35:07] delivery organization.
[3:35:10] more so than anything else.
[3:35:15] a compassion center or the
[3:35:19] programs, when this commission
[3:35:20] expressed it's desire to give
[3:35:23] you -- you brought various
[3:35:27] scenarios forward.
[3:35:29] some instances we didn't agree
[3:35:31] as to how it should be
[3:35:32] structured.
[3:35:34] you came back with alternatives
[3:35:36] and so on.
[3:35:37] so, I commend you for that
[3:35:40] responsiveness to make hardcore
[3:35:47] decisions on moving forward.
[3:35:50] marshaled by the staff, part of
[3:35:53] the credit goes to the police.
[3:35:55] for the community, food
[3:35:57] distribution program.
[3:35:58] I think sunrise even though it
[3:36:00] was really a regional thing
[3:36:02] because many from surrounding
[3:36:09] communities ben knitted.
[3:36:10] I think we were a leader in how
[3:36:12] we made it happen.
[3:36:13] how we road it out.
[3:36:16] we sustained it longer than most
[3:36:18] other communities.
[3:36:22] whether you pitched staff to one
[3:36:25] area or the next you were able
[3:36:28] to get your staff to be flexible
[3:36:31] in that regard.
[3:36:33] the drive-thru christmas stuff.
[3:36:39] the fact is whatever people had
[3:36:46] got not use to we brought an
[3:36:48] alternative that was as close as
[3:36:51] we could get to.
[3:36:59] -- you get the credit.
[3:37:05] transparency is a hell of a
[3:37:12] thing.
[3:37:13] if you don't know you don't
[3:37:14] know.
[3:37:15] if you don't tell me something.
[3:37:17] a challenge I had with your
[3:37:20] predecessor, I don't know -- was
[3:37:24] I feel like I had to know the
[3:37:26] right questions to ask.
[3:37:28] it was like, it was like almost
[3:37:30] like pulling teeth.
[3:37:32] then when you know obviously you
[3:37:35] guys are trained not to lie if
[3:37:37] you're asked a direct question.
[3:37:39] you know after quite a few
[3:37:42] direct questions why the hell
[3:37:44] didn't you tell me this before.
[3:37:46] why did I have to needle into
[3:37:48] you to get it out.
[3:37:50] I won't say it hasn't happened
[3:37:56] here.
[3:37:57] would I chalk it up to a good
[3:37:59] faith, I don't think you wanted
[3:38:00] to know or I miss it thed.
[3:38:03] whether you have been, it's hard
[3:38:05] to tell in the structure that we
[3:38:08] have with sunshine whether you
[3:38:11] have told neil one thing and
[3:38:17] told me something else or pitch
[3:38:19] it differently to joey or what
[3:38:21] not.
[3:38:22] you know it's a commitment that
[3:38:23] you have made and we expect you
[3:38:26] to build on it
[3:38:31] so, I can't, I have a pretty
[3:38:34] good level of communication with
[3:38:36] you.
[3:38:37] I also know how to ask
[3:38:47] questions.
[3:38:48] we speak frankly on issues that
[3:38:51] are a concern to me, initiatives
[3:38:53] that were of importance to me,
[3:38:57] we have been able to talk freely
[3:39:00] about them.
[3:39:01] you have been responsive to me
[3:39:05] as one of your bosses.
[3:39:07] so, from that perspective I
[3:39:16] would say mostly satisfied.
[3:39:19] on the employee side of things
[3:39:23] in terms of initiatives
[3:39:26] especially based on how it's
[3:39:29] outlined here I have to commend
[3:39:31] you.
[3:39:33] everybody knows about my
[3:39:35] challenges with performance
[3:39:39] appraisals in the past.
[3:39:42] I see here you have spoken to
[3:39:46] performance evaluation training
[3:39:48] for supervisors.
[3:39:50] one of the comments or
[3:39:53] criticisms that I previously
[3:39:55] made was that I felt at the time
[3:40:00] our performance appraisal
[3:40:01] structure was used as a reward
[3:40:05] and punishment mechanism and a
[3:40:07] lack of consistency across
[3:40:09] functional areas in terms of how
[3:40:11] people evaluated their, their
[3:40:18] subordinates.
[3:40:20] I presume even though I will
[3:40:22] probably ask you for some
[3:40:24] further feedback on how this has
[3:40:26] improved our systems.
[3:40:30] for you to have taken this
[3:40:32] forward and provided the
[3:40:34] training to your supervisors is
[3:40:39] obviously a responsive message
[3:40:42] to what we had in that area.
[3:40:44] to create a cons sis tent see
[3:40:45] across the organization not only
[3:40:47] in terms of the need to do it
[3:40:49] but the goal of doing it.
[3:40:53] the need to do it timely.
[3:40:56] so, I commend you for that.
[3:41:00] interview and slicks.
[3:41:02] we have talked about, you
[3:41:03] know -- not knocking engineers
[3:41:11] but I will use one as an
[3:41:12] example.
[3:41:13] you may be a great one.
[3:41:17] engineer is technical based
[3:41:19] thing.
[3:41:20] we have quite a few in the
[3:41:21] organization.
[3:41:22] you maybe a cop or whatever.
[3:41:24] because of that capacity that
[3:41:25] you have you end up in a
[3:41:27] supervisor roll or big boss
[3:41:30] roll.
[3:41:31] you have never been trained --
[3:41:37] [inaudible]
[3:41:39] so you may have someone very
[3:41:41] instrumental in selection and
[3:41:43] training or interviewing or they
[3:41:47] were not trained on how to do
[3:41:49] it.
[3:41:50] otherwise even given some basic
[3:41:54] framework how do it fairly and
[3:41:58] appropriately.
[3:41:59] I see here again you indicated
[3:42:03] that you developed -- training
[3:42:07] for supervisors.
[3:42:09] you know those of us listening.
[3:42:14] I know you all are.
[3:42:16] you have heard me comment about
[3:42:18] a lack of diversity in the
[3:42:19] organization at a certain point
[3:42:21] in time.
[3:42:22] I think part of that may of been
[3:42:24] a weakness in this area in terms
[3:42:26] of interview and selection.
[3:42:29] because people may of used more
[3:42:32] subjective basis for
[3:42:34] interviewing and selecting
[3:42:37] candidates.
[3:42:38] more so than any deliberate
[3:42:41] attempt to be, to create some
[3:42:51] sort of a intentional bias
[3:42:55] related decision.
[3:42:56] so, these are all things I think
[3:43:00] that strengthen the organization
[3:43:04] and the structure of the
[3:43:06] organization.
[3:43:07] I commend you on those
[3:43:08] initiatives.
[3:43:09] grants.
[3:43:15] you know some of these just
[3:43:17] flowed.
[3:43:19] we are always happy to get
[3:43:22] money.
[3:43:23] certainly we're always happy
[3:43:24] when staff brings different
[3:43:27] grant opportunities forward even
[3:43:29] when we are not thing about it.
[3:43:32] on the capitol project side I
[3:43:36] don't know.
[3:43:37] we have had some successes.
[3:43:40] we have had some failures.
[3:43:42] two big failures -- park and of
[3:43:48] course currently we're kind of
[3:43:50] hung up with the veterans park.
[3:43:53] I don't know how much of to
[3:43:57] blame on staff or not.
[3:43:58] I know obviously the contractor
[3:44:01] has the bulk of the blame here.
[3:44:07] but I don't know whether there
[3:44:13] was anything better we could of
[3:44:16] done in terms of how we held
[3:44:17] that contractor, managed the
[3:44:22] contractor or held him to task
[3:44:28] through various faces of the
[3:44:31] project.
[3:44:32] -- some of what has happened
[3:44:34] here.
[3:44:35] that is water under the bridge.
[3:44:37] I can tell you that. We all have
[3:44:40] learned from our failures in
[3:44:41] this area.
[3:44:42] I will be the first to take some
[3:44:47] of it.
[3:44:48] I will pass some of it down the
[3:44:50] line.
[3:44:51] really, really -- this one is
[3:44:56] one that really I feel I haven't
[3:45:01] done as much as I could to get
[3:45:04] these projects completed on
[3:45:05] time, on budget.
[3:45:07] really holding the contractor to
[3:45:11] the requirements of the
[3:45:12] contract.
[3:45:13] I know you will fix it
[3:45:19] you will get it fixed.
[3:45:21] generally I think you know
[3:45:27] obviously you have had the
[3:45:29] learning curve being assistant
[3:45:31] city manager.
[3:45:33] that gave you the opportunity to
[3:45:34] be more responsive as second in
[3:45:37] command as my colleague pointed
[3:45:39] out.
[3:45:40] now you're the head cook and
[3:45:42] bottle washer you we don't have
[3:45:44] as much time to get into the
[3:45:46] weeds.
[3:45:47] obviously there is a learning
[3:45:48] curve.
[3:45:49] I think you have done well as
[3:45:52] our city manager especially in a
[3:45:54] very challenging year.
[3:45:56] I look forward to continuing to
[3:45:59] work with you in the period that
[3:46:01] I have left in my tenure which
[3:46:09] is the only one I have three
[3:46:11] years.
[3:46:12] god willing my health holds and
[3:46:13] I'm still alive.
[3:46:15] I look forward to your continued
[3:46:17] growth in the position and your
[3:46:18] leadership in helping to
[3:46:20] strengthen the city and delivery
[3:46:22] of service that's we're here to
[3:46:24] do.
[3:46:27] >> thank you commissioner
[3:46:28] douglas.
[3:46:29] assistant deputy mayor guzman.
[3:46:30] >> we have known each other for
[3:46:33] eight or nine months.
[3:46:35] when I first came in you know
[3:46:37] there was some tension there.
[3:46:39] you getting to know me.
[3:46:40] me getting to know you.
[3:46:42] I mentioned transparency being a
[3:46:45] big thing.
[3:46:46] I'm completely open and honest.
[3:46:48] I expect that in return.
[3:46:50] like commissioner douglas
[3:46:51] mentioned sometimes you have to
[3:46:53] ask the right questions to get
[3:46:55] the answers.
[3:47:03] sometimes I felt I was pulling
[3:47:05] teeth at times.
[3:47:06] I think at this point we have
[3:47:08] come to that mutual relationship
[3:47:11] where we understand where we're
[3:47:13] both going with certain things.
[3:47:15] I feel much better talking to
[3:47:20] you than I did in the beginning.
[3:47:22] the short year you have been in
[3:47:24] this particular roll, if anyone
[3:47:27] at home is reading this,
[3:47:28] everything you have here is
[3:47:29] pretty impressive.
[3:47:31] thank you for dealing with
[3:47:33] covid.
[3:47:34] I will point out a few things
[3:47:40] that have been mentioned.
[3:47:42] I felt we lacked some
[3:47:44] information and I was
[3:47:45] disappointed there.
[3:47:46] I am sure you know moving
[3:47:48] forward to be ready next time.
[3:47:50] something I have noticed that I
[3:47:53] would like to see a little more
[3:47:54] from you alike the e-mails.
[3:47:56] I'm an e-mail person.
[3:47:59] I send e-mails 24/7.
[3:48:02] I know sometimes it's
[3:48:03] overwhelming because you get so
[3:48:05] many.
[3:48:06] I totally understand that.
[3:48:07] sometimes I do wish I did get
[3:48:09] some response.
[3:48:10] I don't know if there is a way
[3:48:11] to get someone help you manage
[3:48:14] your e-mails.
[3:48:15] I'm sure you're bombarded with
[3:48:17] those.
[3:48:18] I wanted to add I know what I
[3:48:20] did for start you put together
[3:48:22] an employee performance or
[3:48:24] survey of some sort.
[3:48:26] that's how you decided to move
[3:48:27] forward with the employee
[3:48:29] initiative.
[3:48:30] my question was, I mean I just
[3:48:31] wanted to know if there is a way
[3:48:33] to obtain those particular
[3:48:36] comments and copies from each
[3:48:37] staff member that you guys
[3:48:39] collected, some how.
[3:48:41] so we have a better understand
[3:48:43] on what is going on as an
[3:48:44] employee behind the scenes.
[3:48:46] a lot of times they're kind of
[3:48:48] scared to come forward.
[3:48:49] if there is a situation
[3:48:51] regarding the department or
[3:48:52] staff, colleagues, supervisors,
[3:48:55] directors.
[3:48:56] so I want, you know if we do a
[3:48:58] survey in the future I want them
[3:49:00] to know that we as a commission
[3:49:02] are looking at it and are being
[3:49:05] responsive to it, if need be.
[3:49:08] if not just going into an
[3:49:10] on-line survey and nobody is
[3:49:11] looking.
[3:49:12] I think what we got from that is
[3:49:15] 79% were all happy.
[3:49:18] the other percent are medium.
[3:49:20] I want to get more details on
[3:49:22] those particular, you know other
[3:49:25] percentages that are not so
[3:49:27] happy.
[3:49:28] there are a couple of more
[3:49:31] things.
[3:49:32] I think that's pretty much it.
[3:49:33] just thank you.
[3:49:34] I'm looking forward to my,
[3:49:37] hopefully more terms here and
[3:49:39] being with you and your team.
[3:49:43] they're a big part of that,
[3:49:44] thank you to them as well.
[3:49:46] for the most part thank you for
[3:49:52] everything you have done.
[3:49:53] right.
[3:49:54] >> alright.
[3:49:55] >> thank you, deputy mayor.
[3:49:56] mark, part what had we're doing
[3:49:58] here tonight is not only talking
[3:50:03] to you but we're also talking to
[3:50:06] the community.
[3:50:07] equally important talking to
[3:50:10] your staff.
[3:50:11] because of the time, we still
[3:50:13] have other reviews to do
[3:50:14] tonight.
[3:50:15] I will truncate and adopt a lot
[3:50:18] of comments already made.
[3:50:21] I thank you for the outline of
[3:50:23] accomplishments as well as
[3:50:25] suggestions in areas that you
[3:50:27] know we need to, as a city, look
[3:50:30] at in the future.
[3:50:31] on a personal level I want to
[3:50:33] thank you for your honesty and
[3:50:35] transparency.
[3:50:36] your willingness to challenge
[3:50:41] ideas and do it in a way that is
[3:50:43] always based upon the facts and
[3:50:45] the best interest of the city.
[3:50:47] it's hard to translate that into
[3:50:50] a review.
[3:50:51] I think my colleagues have at
[3:50:53] various times commented the same
[3:50:55] way.
[3:50:56] they appreciate your honesty.
[3:50:58] it's something that is not
[3:50:59] identified as a bullet point in
[3:51:01] what you provided as backup.
[3:51:03] it's so incredibly important as
[3:51:06] each of us navigate, not only
[3:51:09] the issues for sunrise but we
[3:51:12] each have some roll and regional
[3:51:14] issues and your advice and
[3:51:17] experience, relationships
[3:51:19] throughout the county are
[3:51:20] incredibly important.
[3:51:24] in short I'm a hundred percent
[3:51:26] supportive in you mark, in all
[3:51:28] you have done for us.
[3:51:30] I feel blessed you're our city
[3:51:33] manager through this difficult
[3:51:35] time.
[3:51:36] we have had some very tough
[3:51:37] conversations about how to
[3:51:39] handle covid.
[3:51:40] it's not something that there is
[3:51:42] a play book.
[3:51:43] you have had to work through
[3:51:44] this in a challenging way.
[3:51:47] I appreciate that as I'm sure my
[3:51:50] colleagues do.
[3:51:51] that you're always there to
[3:51:53] provide honest and complete
[3:51:55] discussion addressing each of my
[3:51:57] points and then trying to adopt
[3:51:59] the best policies for city.
[3:52:04] thank you for your commitment to
[3:52:06] the city.
[3:52:07] I look forward to working with
[3:52:09] you directly over the next year.
[3:52:11] >> thank you, mayor.
[3:52:13] I think when we first met you
[3:52:15] were the community development
[3:52:17] director.
[3:52:18] then assistant city manager.
[3:52:21] now city manager for the last 18
[3:52:24] months, 17 months.
[3:52:26] >> since july.
[3:52:27] >> july, okay.
[3:52:30] I echo a lot of my colleagues
[3:52:33] comments tonight.
[3:52:36] I had a opportunity to review
[3:52:40] the city memorandum and the
[3:52:42] budget to see how that's
[3:52:44] structured and organized this
[3:52:45] year.
[3:52:46] e-mails.
[3:52:47] I get a lot of e-mails from you.
[3:52:49] the action line reporting that I
[3:52:54] think is instrumental over the
[3:52:56] last year as well as the change
[3:52:58] order tracking reports.
[3:53:01] I really appreciate that.
[3:53:04] it's hard to keep everything on
[3:53:10] your mind.
[3:53:11] I have to look and see what
[3:53:23] you're tracking.
[3:53:24] all of this demonstrates your
[3:53:30] achievements as city manager
[3:53:32] last year and this year.
[3:53:34] with your respect to decision
[3:53:36] making and judgements I feel you
[3:53:39] demonstrate analysis for
[3:53:43] progress, opportunities, and
[3:53:45] needs and changes for sunrise
[3:53:47] and the city organization.
[3:53:49] your advice and guidance to me
[3:53:51] has been instrumental in my
[3:53:53] decision making.
[3:53:54] I believe your guidance and
[3:53:56] decision making has been
[3:53:57] instrumental to the city success
[3:53:59] this year.
[3:54:01] with respect to your personal
[3:54:02] development I find that you
[3:54:04] recruit and retain a diverse
[3:54:07] staff.
[3:54:08] I think the addition of sean and
[3:54:10] other executive management
[3:54:12] personnel to the city manager
[3:54:14] office and leadership team has
[3:54:16] been instrumental to our success
[3:54:18] as well.
[3:54:19] I don't think we would of had
[3:54:21] the same success without those
[3:54:23] team members being present.
[3:54:28] although I'm giving you the
[3:54:30] review, I am reviewing your
[3:54:32] executive management team.
[3:54:34] I think you do have a great
[3:54:36] executive management team to
[3:54:38] continue making you successful.
[3:54:42] I hope these words carry down to
[3:54:45] them.
[3:54:46] the reporting as I said, over
[3:54:48] our last city manager I almost
[3:54:51] felt like everything was a choke
[3:54:53] point.
[3:54:54] where it would go to him.
[3:54:55] he would have the ultimate say
[3:54:57] and nothing else would get out.
[3:54:58] I feel with your management,
[3:55:00] leadership style I can get an
[3:55:03] e-mail from sean or emily or tim
[3:55:06] or kevin.
[3:55:08] I almost feel there is a
[3:55:10] delegation.
[3:55:11] that you truly trust your staff
[3:55:13] members and the reporting and
[3:55:15] quality of reporting over the
[3:55:18] last year has greatly increased.
[3:55:20] I think that demonstrates your
[3:55:22] trust in your staff and making
[3:55:24] sure our organization is
[3:55:25] successful.
[3:55:26] I congratulate you on that.
[3:55:28] I think that's the proper
[3:55:31] leadership style in this day of
[3:55:33] age for our organization.
[3:55:35] I think that's reflected
[3:55:36] throughout all of our charter
[3:55:39] officers as we will address them
[3:55:41] later on.
[3:55:42] I think your planning and
[3:55:44] organizing skills are very good.
[3:55:45] I think you work well with the
[3:55:48] commission and executive
[3:55:49] management team.
[3:55:51] I think you are developing
[3:55:52] strategies constantly to achieve
[3:55:55] the city goals.
[3:55:57] most fiscally and financially.
[3:55:59] I'm happy you presented a
[3:56:02] structured balanced budget this
[3:56:04] year.
[3:56:07] I am amazed with your covid
[3:56:10] pandemic response initiatives.
[3:56:12] I think that's been instrumental
[3:56:14] for us and our community as a
[3:56:16] whole.
[3:56:18] your interpersonal skills, I
[3:56:20] think you continue to build
[3:56:21] respect throughout our
[3:56:24] organization.
[3:56:25] I know when we hired you
[3:56:29] everyone was happy I think you
[3:56:32] raised the row file for the city
[3:56:33] of sunrise.
[3:56:34] I find you work well with your
[3:56:38] staff.
[3:56:39] finance committee, charter
[3:56:40] officer commission, preparing
[3:56:42] the budgets, monitoring,
[3:56:45] initiating changes like the
[3:56:47] covid pandemic we had to go
[3:56:49] through.
[3:56:50] I do find your interpersonal
[3:56:52] skills very well.
[3:56:54] I feel you have kept me fully
[3:56:57] informed in a time leeway.
[3:57:00] the important factors.
[3:57:04] this is evidence from the
[3:57:05] numerous e-mails and phone calls
[3:57:07] that which have.
[3:57:08] I feel you have provided me
[3:57:10] support and back up for
[3:57:12] ordinances, resolutions,
[3:57:14] economic development, long term
[3:57:17] community planning,
[3:57:18] infrastructure improvements and
[3:57:20] personal issues with the
[3:57:21] organization.
[3:57:22] I do believe you represent the
[3:57:24] city well to it's constituents,
[3:57:27] government agencies, other
[3:57:28] elected officials and the
[3:57:29] general public.
[3:57:30] we have recognized our
[3:57:32] commission, our commission
[3:57:33] recognizes you and our staff.
[3:57:36] I'm sure that trend will
[3:57:39] continue.
[3:57:40] I like when you push back.
[3:57:44] I don't want someone sitting if
[3:57:45] the chair that will just let
[3:57:47] people walk over them.
[3:57:48] I have seen you force on issues
[3:57:52] up here and you maintain your
[3:57:54] ground.
[3:57:55] I do respect that.
[3:57:56] I hope that continues.
[3:57:57] I like when you say you're
[3:58:00] transparent as we were in the
[3:58:03] residents leadership academy the
[3:58:06] other day it was easy to talk
[3:58:08] about our successes.
[3:58:09] part of transparency is
[3:58:11] recognizing our failures.
[3:58:13] it's at times hard to do.
[3:58:16] it's our job to recognize that,
[3:58:18] learn from that and move on.
[3:58:20] I think that's an admirable
[3:58:22] quality to have.
[3:58:23] I think more people learn twice
[3:58:25] as much from failures than any
[3:58:28] successes.
[3:58:29] as we move forward I'm confident
[3:58:31] in your ability to lead our
[3:58:34] organization.
[3:58:35] I am also confident you will
[3:58:38] assure adequate control and
[3:58:40] funding with maintaining sound
[3:58:43] financial practices through our
[3:58:45] organization.
[3:58:46] as evidence tonight.
[3:58:47] is there something we ask do.
[3:58:50] as much as everyone would like
[3:58:51] to get involved in that ish a
[3:58:53] that was the right call, right
[3:58:56] judgment.
[3:58:57] I do believe you're doing a very
[3:59:01] good job for the time you have
[3:59:03] been here.
[3:59:04] I look forward to working with
[3:59:05] you.
[3:59:06] wish you continued success.
[3:59:08] I do find your review favorable.
[3:59:11] thank you.
[3:59:14] anyone else?
[3:59:16] >> I just want to add one more
[3:59:18] thing.
[3:59:19] I want to say thank you.
[3:59:20] there have been times I call you
[3:59:22] considering resident concerns,
[3:59:24] you have been pretty responsive.
[3:59:26] I appreciate that. You're on top
[3:59:28] of that.
[3:59:29] thank you.
[3:59:30] >> so now that we have done the
[3:59:33] performance review is there an
[3:59:36] issue on whether there is merit
[3:59:40] increase or payment, is that
[3:59:41] something we address this
[3:59:43] evening?
[3:59:44] how is the commission doing
[3:59:45] this?
[3:59:47] >> is that somewhere here in the
[3:59:50] packet?
[3:59:53] (lost audio)
[4:00:03] >> page --
[4:00:09] >> I don't have the benefit of a
[4:00:11] book.
[4:00:12] you see what it looks like.
[4:00:13] the agenda item.
[4:00:17] >> 16.
[4:00:18] >> 17d.
[4:00:19] >> 17d.
[4:00:30] >> 17d.
[4:00:33] >> background --
[4:00:34] >> I found it
[4:00:36] >> okay 2.5% is the standard
[4:00:43] step.
[4:00:44] I don't want to weight in what
[4:00:52] he deserves.
[4:00:53] I think at this stage with all
[4:00:55] going on I wouldn't want to go
[4:00:57] beyond that.
[4:00:58] so, you know, I would propose a
[4:01:01] 2.5% merit increase.
[4:01:04] obviously everyone gets -- and
[4:01:08] what not.
[4:01:09] as it relates to the merit
[4:01:12] performance review I would I
[4:01:21] would propose one step.
[4:01:22] >> one step.
[4:01:23] >> second.
[4:01:24] >> commissioner scuotto.
[4:01:27] >> I agree.
[4:01:28] >> assistant deputy mayor.
[4:01:30] >> third that.
[4:01:31] >> mayor ryan.
[4:01:32] >> I support.
[4:01:34] >> I won't get in your way, sir.
[4:01:37] congratulations.
[4:01:43] >> thank you, very much.
[4:01:44] I look forward working with the
[4:01:45] commission moving forward.
[4:01:46] I want to thank the header ship
[4:01:48] team and support.
[4:01:50] none of this happens without
[4:01:51] their work.
[4:01:52] >> good job.
[4:01:58] >> alright next one.
[4:01:59] >> -- two minute.
[4:02:01] >> let's, we have been going at
[4:02:05] it for 2: 15.
[4:02:09] let's take a fine minute recess
[4:02:12] and reset.
[4:03:47] >> video guys, ready?
[4:03:50] ms. Bravo, ready.
[4:03:55] >> yes, cementer.
[4:03:56] >> we will reconvene the
[4:03:57] meeting.
[4:03:58] give the thumbs up to the video
[4:04:00] guys.
[4:04:01] we're on 17e.
[4:04:13] ms. Kisslan the floor is yours.
[4:04:20] >> thank you.
[4:04:21] I will read my significants line
[4:04:25] by line.
[4:04:26] no.
[4:04:27] attached to the agenda is my
[4:04:29] summary of significant
[4:04:30] activities during my last
[4:04:32] performance year july 1 through
[4:04:34] june 30.
[4:04:35] I provide you regular monthly
[4:04:37] reports.
[4:04:38] I also provide you an annual
[4:04:40] august report that is required
[4:04:42] by our code.
[4:04:43] then at the end of each fiscal
[4:04:44] year I provide you a fiscal year
[4:04:46] over view.
[4:04:47] additionally each and every
[4:04:49] agenda you see work product from
[4:04:52] my office and have the
[4:04:54] opportunity to see what we have
[4:04:55] been working on.
[4:04:56] some of the things this past
[4:04:58] year we worked on included the
[4:05:02] 40,350,000-dollar special
[4:05:05] obligation bonds for the
[4:05:06] municipal complex issue.
[4:05:08] big issue and important to the
[4:05:09] city.
[4:05:10] we worked on a number of items
[4:05:12] regarding covid-19.
[4:05:13] some of which you already went
[4:05:15] over with mr. Lubelski.
[4:05:19] we selected a new fire chief.
[4:05:22] as a charter officer we worked
[4:05:24] on windsor, sunrise golf and
[4:05:31] country club regarding the
[4:05:33] city's first community district.
[4:05:35] we are working on metropic and
[4:05:39] creating a district.
[4:05:41] you touched on the daily utility
[4:05:43] evaluation.
[4:05:45] in the interest of time I won't
[4:05:46] go over this in any further
[4:05:48] detail.
[4:05:49] if there is anything that the
[4:05:51] commission would like to have
[4:05:53] more information on I'm here.
[4:05:55] >> thank you, miss kisslan.
[4:05:58] thank you mr. Scuotto for
[4:06:06] volunteering.
[4:06:07] >> no problem.
[4:06:08] kim, you're the behind the
[4:06:10] scenes person.
[4:06:11] we talking about everything that
[4:06:12] is going on physical or things
[4:06:14] that you can see, with mark.
[4:06:18] what you do is the like the
[4:06:20] wizard of oz.
[4:06:22] you're behind the scenes and you
[4:06:23] make our job so much easier.
[4:06:26] nobody would even know all of
[4:06:27] the information, the back up,
[4:06:29] the ordinance, the resolutions,
[4:06:31] the time it takes you and such a
[4:06:33] small staff.
[4:06:35] for the amount of work that is
[4:06:40] done for city manager's office,
[4:06:42] for all of the department heads,
[4:06:44] for anything that we pretty much
[4:06:47] do in the city, all of the
[4:06:49] developments, metropica.
[4:06:53] the contracts and awful that.
[4:06:54] the sawgrass mill stuff.
[4:06:56] anything development, the
[4:06:59] contracts, anything that we
[4:07:01] purchase.
[4:07:03] you pretty much have your hands
[4:07:05] in every single thing that goes
[4:07:08] on in the city.
[4:07:09] no one would even really realize
[4:07:11] what and how much you touch
[4:07:16] before it even comes to, to
[4:07:18] anybody.
[4:07:20] the amount of people that you
[4:07:22] work with.
[4:07:23] you have been short staffed for,
[4:07:25] you know how many times -- I
[4:07:29] find someone or the time that it
[4:07:32] takes you to weed out people to
[4:07:36] finally get the person you feel
[4:07:38] you can work as a team.
[4:07:42] then now again, I hope you know
[4:07:44] the person that you selected is
[4:07:46] should not that is going to be
[4:07:47] there like tom.
[4:07:50] I mean together both of you.
[4:07:54] you know you work together as a
[4:07:56] great team.
[4:07:57] he has his skills.
[4:07:59] he deals with police.
[4:08:00] a lot of the other things.
[4:08:05] he deals with the towing.
[4:08:13] I'm sure your hands are in all
[4:08:15] of it.
[4:08:16] this isn't much to say as far as
[4:08:18] what you don't do to help us
[4:08:23] make the right decisions.
[4:08:24] when there is a time I know I'm
[4:08:26] in the middle of a different
[4:08:28] thing and we need to call you as
[4:08:31] far as ethics or anything you're
[4:08:34] always there to protect us.
[4:08:36] I have been up here for 25
[4:08:38] years.
[4:08:39] in the time you have been here I
[4:08:42] don't think there was a time I
[4:08:44] voted on a item that I question
[4:08:46] I'm voting on something because
[4:08:48] I didn't feel comfortable with
[4:08:50] the wording you put in or staff
[4:08:52] put in.
[4:08:55] that I didn't catch.
[4:08:56] that got by you and we voted on
[4:08:58] something putting us in a bad
[4:09:00] situation.
[4:09:01] that has never happened.
[4:09:02] I recall when you worked with a
[4:09:11] previous lawyer, getting a
[4:09:13] contract for sunrise all they
[4:09:15] did was praise you and want to
[4:09:16] hire you.
[4:09:17] from that point when we picked
[4:09:19] you, we knew you were the person
[4:09:21] for the city.
[4:09:22] you knew -- I felt comfortable
[4:09:26] you were going to make the right
[4:09:28] decisions for us.
[4:09:29] you're a hard worker.
[4:09:33] I don't e-mail.
[4:09:34] I don't text.
[4:09:35] I wouldn't have to write a short
[4:09:39] story and you give me a one word
[4:09:42] answer.
[4:09:43] kim is very short and to the
[4:09:44] point.
[4:09:45] me I will ramble on for an hour.
[4:09:48] if I call kim for something.
[4:09:50] >> not tonight.
[4:09:51] >> I'm saying.
[4:09:52] she is specific.
[4:09:54] she knows, she is very detailed.
[4:09:56] this is the answer.
[4:10:02] I am like, well.
[4:10:04] she says, no that's the answer.
[4:10:07] I like that you're to the point.
[4:10:08] it makes it easier for us.
[4:10:11] specially for me to make a
[4:10:15] decision.
[4:10:16] I have no problem working with
[4:10:17] you.
[4:10:18] the staff is great.
[4:10:19] for the amount of people you
[4:10:20] have in the office, the boat
[4:10:21] load of work that you get is --
[4:10:25] I couldn't even say all that you
[4:10:29] and your staff does.
[4:10:31] couldn't see any department head
[4:10:34] has information to give to
[4:10:36] everybody.
[4:10:37] even the people with contracts
[4:10:38] and fill out -- I never get any
[4:10:43] input from nip that says you're
[4:10:46] the city attorney putting in the
[4:10:48] wrong information.
[4:10:49] that is why it has never come
[4:10:50] before me.
[4:10:52] I haven't seen it come before
[4:10:53] anyone.
[4:10:54] I thank you for your service.
[4:10:57] I don't think you should live in
[4:10:59] the city of sunrise.
[4:11:00] I don't want you to move.
[4:11:03] thank you.
[4:11:04] we appreciate all that you and
[4:11:05] your staff does.
[4:11:07] I am more than welcomed to give
[4:11:10] you a favorable review.
[4:11:14] >> commissioner douglas.
[4:11:15] >> thank you.
[4:11:16] >> you're welcome.
[4:11:17] >> according to commissioner
[4:11:19] scuotto lawyers are the best
[4:11:23] thing since sliced bread.
[4:11:25] >> hey.
[4:11:26] >> alright.
[4:11:29] ms. Kisslan I don't often echo
[4:11:33] commissioner scuotto I will to
[4:11:37] some extent tonight.
[4:11:38] I believe you're one of the best
[4:11:40] municipal attorneys that I know
[4:11:42] of.
[4:11:43] he's correct about the fact that
[4:11:51] you touch on pretty much
[4:11:55] everything.
[4:11:56] we have four charters.
[4:11:58] police are kind of functionally,
[4:12:01] they do their thing.
[4:12:02] they have a lot of issues that
[4:12:04] are legal.
[4:12:05] even though we have a bunch of
[4:12:07] outside council that are, deal
[4:12:09] with our specialty areas you
[4:12:12] still manage and supervise their
[4:12:14] input.
[4:12:16] I rely on your monthly activity
[4:12:20] report.
[4:12:21] a lot of times for what is going
[4:12:27] on in the city.
[4:12:28] I read it and I'm like what is
[4:12:30] this.
[4:12:31] I read kim's report.
[4:12:33] she said she is working on this
[4:12:35] thing.
[4:12:36] what is this thing.
[4:12:39] so, I knew keeping them honest.
[4:12:43] I know you're just going to put
[4:12:44] it in the report.
[4:12:46] I was working on this.
[4:12:47] often there is a good and
[4:12:54] reasonable explanation to what
[4:12:55] it was, but it helps to
[4:12:57] preinform me.
[4:13:00] it's living I can't believe kim
[4:13:02] put that in the report.
[4:13:04] I wasn't ready to discuss it
[4:13:06] with the commission yet.
[4:13:07] I do have a significant level of
[4:13:16] comfort knowing that you are
[4:13:18] reviewing the items coming
[4:13:20] before the commission.
[4:13:21] the transactions that we're
[4:13:22] engaged in.
[4:13:25] certainly as a lawyer myself I
[4:13:28] think it gives me an advantage
[4:13:30] in terms of us communicating.
[4:13:35] being able to understand your
[4:13:40] explanation.
[4:13:41] that's an advantage I take to
[4:13:43] the table.
[4:13:44] I think the people of this city,
[4:13:47] you know, what you do is way
[4:13:50] above, you know, this is
[4:13:53] specialty law.
[4:13:54] land use and all of these
[4:13:56] things.
[4:13:57] being able to answer in most
[4:13:59] cases.
[4:14:00] most cases I can recall where
[4:14:02] there was a need for a response,
[4:14:08] a question, you have generally
[4:14:10] been able to respond or say I
[4:14:13] have to look into that.
[4:14:14] which is fine with me.
[4:14:16] I don't want a speculative
[4:14:21] response or one that is
[4:14:22] grounded, in I think that's what
[4:14:25] they want to hear.
[4:14:26] I want to hear what the real
[4:14:28] deal is.
[4:14:31] so from the perspective of
[4:14:35] legally sufficient I am
[4:14:37] generally always comfortable.
[4:14:42] if I have any doubts about
[4:14:44] something I will pick up the
[4:14:45] phone and call.
[4:14:46] I tend to prefer calling unless
[4:14:49] there is a reason I feel I
[4:14:51] should e-mail.
[4:14:52] in most cases I pick up the
[4:14:55] phone to call.
[4:14:56] you know there isn't a whole
[4:15:07] much lot else to say.
[4:15:10] again I echo him, my colleague,
[4:15:13] not him but commissioner
[4:15:14] scuotto.
[4:15:16] you have been around for a long
[4:15:24] time.
[4:15:26] -- much more experience with the
[4:15:29] output of your office.
[4:15:31] as it's been pointed out you
[4:15:32] have consistently work in
[4:15:35] protecting city's interest,
[4:15:38] guiding the commission.
[4:15:39] I have often said I'm generally
[4:15:41] a liberal.
[4:15:42] in my attorney I want
[4:15:44] conservatism.
[4:15:46] I would rather you air on the
[4:15:48] side of conservatism in the
[4:15:50] opinions you give.
[4:15:53] I think you have demonstrated
[4:15:56] you're in the business to
[4:15:57] protect the cities interest and
[4:15:59] what we he gauge in is
[4:16:02] aboveboard and defensible both
[4:16:05] from a legal perspective and
[4:16:07] certainly a professional
[4:16:11] perspective.
[4:16:13] I appreciate the guidance and
[4:16:15] work that you do over all.
[4:16:17] >> thank you.
[4:16:19] >> assistant deputy mayor
[4:16:22] guzman.
[4:16:23] >> hi, hello.
[4:16:26] again in my short time being
[4:16:28] here I appreciate your
[4:16:30] knowledge.
[4:16:31] you're extremely professional.
[4:16:33] I'm thankful poor you as a woman
[4:16:36] being in the position you are.
[4:16:38] I thank you for always being
[4:16:41] available for ethics questions.
[4:16:43] you're right on top of it.
[4:16:45] black and white, you're so
[4:16:46] precise with it.
[4:16:47] like you said it's not what we
[4:16:48] want to hear.
[4:16:49] you say it like it is.
[4:16:50] I appreciate you being honest
[4:16:52] about what we have spoken about.
[4:16:56] I look forward to continuing my
[4:16:57] relationship with you and coming
[4:16:59] to you more I haven't needed too
[4:17:03] as much.
[4:17:04] I will soon.
[4:17:05] thank you again for what you do
[4:17:06] here.
[4:17:07] thank you.
[4:17:08] >> thank you.
[4:17:09] >> mayor ryan.
[4:17:10] >> thank you.
[4:17:11] ms. Kisslan, you know I'm an
[4:17:17] enormous fan of your talents.
[4:17:20] commissioner scuotto remembers
[4:17:24] the difficult time after I came
[4:17:27] on and decisions had to be made
[4:17:35] about who to hire.
[4:17:37] the first --
[4:17:41] [inaudible]
[4:17:42] -- who to hire from there.
[4:17:44] while that's not relevant to
[4:17:46] your past year's review I say it
[4:17:48] only that I think one of the
[4:17:53] best decisions the commission
[4:17:55] made was picking you as our city
[4:17:59] attorney.
[4:18:00] over the last decade you have
[4:18:02] never disappointed us in any
[4:18:06] regard.
[4:18:07] we may not always like what we
[4:18:08] hear that is the nature of
[4:18:12] getting legal advice from any
[4:18:14] lawyer.
[4:18:15] over the past year you have had
[4:18:16] to deal with tremendous
[4:18:21] uncertain times.
[4:18:22] even some bold decisions that
[4:18:25] this mission decided to make in
[4:18:27] advance of the state and other
[4:18:28] sit he's.
[4:18:30] that bore some risk in terms of
[4:18:33] potential litigation.
[4:18:35] you understood that the
[4:18:36] commission's had a policy,
[4:18:40] commitment, focus.
[4:18:41] you were able to craft a
[4:18:44] strategy that was defensible.
[4:18:47] in the end we know these were
[4:18:49] the right decisions.
[4:18:52] -- my colleagues.
[4:18:54] your outline of accomplishments
[4:18:57] does not even come close to
[4:19:00] fully highlighting what you do
[4:19:03] and what you and your staff do.
[4:19:05] you have a unique position in so
[4:19:08] far as you ultimately are
[4:19:10] reviewing much of what the other
[4:19:13] departments do at one level or
[4:19:15] another.
[4:19:16] that means at times are you
[4:19:19] going to give advice to mark or
[4:19:21] other departments that may not
[4:19:23] want to hear.
[4:19:24] you may raise issues about the
[4:19:29] timing when things are brought
[4:19:31] to the commission or extra work
[4:19:32] on your staff.
[4:19:33] you and your staff are
[4:19:36] confidentially professional.
[4:19:40] you have the best interest of
[4:19:42] the city at heart and the
[4:19:44] personnel development has been
[4:19:48] spectacular.
[4:19:49] your choice and the deep issues
[4:19:53] the commission has taken on, the
[4:19:55] city has taken on.
[4:19:57] also your choice about council.
[4:19:59] commissioner douglas said and
[4:20:01] think others will appreciate we
[4:20:06] can be pretty harsh on each
[4:20:11] other maybe it's an advantage or
[4:20:14] a curse.
[4:20:15] as it's been pointed out, the
[4:20:18] people you have chose tone help
[4:20:20] advice city is a credit to you.
[4:20:25] because we have been incredibly
[4:20:30] successful in both negotiation.
[4:20:38] what I appreciate most, if
[4:20:41] anyone has a question that can't
[4:20:43] be answered by you or mr. Moss
[4:20:45] you will bring in someone to
[4:20:47] help provide us that guidance.
[4:20:50] ultimately your transparency and
[4:20:55] monthly reports is a welcomed
[4:20:57] feature that sets a tone for all
[4:21:00] of the departments.
[4:21:03] your communication skills are
[4:21:05] appreciated and the only thing I
[4:21:07] would say differently than maybe
[4:21:09] my colleagues is that having the
[4:21:11] opportunity to work with many
[4:21:13] different city attorneys on
[4:21:15] various regional issues that I
[4:21:17] have had the opportunity.
[4:21:18] I think we have the best city
[4:21:20] attorney.
[4:21:21] the best city attorney staff.
[4:21:23] we have been able to handle
[4:21:25] incredibly complex issues in a
[4:21:28] diverse way.
[4:21:30] have kept us out of trouble.
[4:21:33] I don't mean that we seek it.
[4:21:36] but we have to be careful as a
[4:21:38] city, each department.
[4:21:39] it's a credit to your commitment
[4:21:41] to this city to us 24/7.
[4:21:48] as we said earlier --
[4:21:53] 2:00 o'clock in the morning.
[4:21:54] I have no doubt if there was an
[4:21:57] urgent issue to address over
[4:21:59] night you and your staff would
[4:22:01] be there.
[4:22:03] it's a long way to say,
[4:22:05] favorable.
[4:22:07] I am very appreciate tiff, kim,
[4:22:10] of your honesty, your engagement
[4:22:17] and putting fact in when
[4:22:20] necessary.
[4:22:21] thank you.
[4:22:22] again nice working with you.
[4:22:24] working with mark I feel blessed
[4:22:29] as you being our city attorney.
[4:22:31] >> thank you.
[4:22:32] >> ms. Kisslan, you're the only
[4:22:35] city attorney I know.
[4:22:37] it's been a blessing.
[4:22:41] sitting up here with your
[4:22:42] guidance.
[4:22:45] in preparation of your review I
[4:22:47] had a chance to speak with you.
[4:22:50] the memo in the back up of this
[4:22:52] agenda.
[4:22:57] I reviews your monthly reports
[4:22:59] and legal spreadsheet.
[4:23:00] I feel all of the documents and
[4:23:02] presentation identify your
[4:23:05] significant achievements and
[4:23:07] objectives.
[4:23:08] your decision making is second
[4:23:10] to none.
[4:23:11] I foal you demonstrate quality
[4:23:13] of analysis related to progress
[4:23:16] for the city of sunrise
[4:23:18] organization.
[4:23:19] your legal advice and legal
[4:23:21] guidance to me and this
[4:23:22] commission and the city and our
[4:23:23] city staff has been instrument
[4:23:27] al to decision making going on
[4:23:29] throughout city and the ultimate
[4:23:31] success of our city.
[4:23:34] as I told you when we walked in
[4:23:36] tonight, it's not lip service.
[4:23:38] you're one of the smartest and
[4:23:40] brightest lawyers I have ever
[4:23:43] met, I believe in you as our
[4:23:46] city attorney.
[4:23:47] I believe you recruit and retain
[4:23:49] a diverse staff.
[4:23:50] very pleased with your new hire
[4:23:52] this evening.
[4:23:53] look forward to working with
[4:23:54] him.
[4:23:55] tom moss and the whole legal
[4:23:58] support team is always there for
[4:24:00] us.
[4:24:01] it's a credit to your success
[4:24:02] and your management and
[4:24:03] leadership style and personal
[4:24:06] development.
[4:24:07] planning and organizing as a
[4:24:10] lawyer that's what we do.
[4:24:11] we plan and organize.
[4:24:12] over and over.
[4:24:14] I feel that you work well with
[4:24:16] commission, the staffs, and
[4:24:21] throughout the organization
[4:24:24] develop strategies to achieve
[4:24:25] the city's mission goals and
[4:24:27] financial liability.
[4:24:29] your work on your general
[4:24:30] obligation bond, special
[4:24:32] allegation bonds all strange to
[4:24:34] me, it's a foreign language.
[4:24:36] some how you get it to me and
[4:24:37] I'm able to understand it.
[4:24:39] I do appreciate that work on
[4:24:41] that.
[4:24:42] and then the unprecedented
[4:24:46] coronavirus issues.
[4:24:48] you work through transition,
[4:24:51] remote and virtual, now back to
[4:24:54] in-person and hybrid.
[4:24:57] you keeping us all out of
[4:25:02] trouble with your ethics opinion
[4:25:05] and advice.
[4:25:06] I can't comment enough on how
[4:25:07] well I find your organization
[4:25:10] skills.
[4:25:13] I feel as mayor ryan pointed out
[4:25:15] a moment ago your reputation
[4:25:19] buildings respect and profile
[4:25:21] for the city of sunrise.
[4:25:23] throughout the city attorneys,
[4:25:25] county and regional.
[4:25:27] I truly believe you're the best,
[4:25:29] knowing only one.
[4:25:30] not a lot to compare but I know
[4:25:33] in my heart you're the best.
[4:25:35] I find that you work well with
[4:25:37] staff.
[4:25:38] finance committee, the
[4:25:40] commission, preparing budgets,
[4:25:42] monitoring progress, initiate
[4:25:45] changes in operations as
[4:25:46] appropriate.
[4:25:47] you have kept me fully informed,
[4:25:49] always check in on me.
[4:25:51] as a lawyer I like to figure
[4:25:53] things out myself and read.
[4:25:56] now that mr. Douglas has let the
[4:25:59] cat out of the bag.
[4:26:00] I do too look at your litigation
[4:26:03] reports to see what is going on
[4:26:05] with the city.
[4:26:06] I thought I was the only one
[4:26:08] sneaky on that. I do appreciate
[4:26:15] your monthly reporting.
[4:26:16] you have always provided sound
[4:26:18] legal advice.
[4:26:19] as a lawyer clients should
[4:26:21] listen to their lawyers.
[4:26:23] I feel I'm your client.
[4:26:25] I always listen to my lawyer
[4:26:27] when they give sound legal
[4:26:29] advice.
[4:26:30] your work on ordinances,
[4:26:31] resolutions, ethics, sunshine
[4:26:34] law is all top notch.
[4:26:36] I believe you represent the city
[4:26:38] of sunrise well.
[4:26:40] constituents -- general public.
[4:26:45] you know confident that all of
[4:26:49] the legal issues are in
[4:26:52] compliance with federal and
[4:26:53] local regulations.
[4:26:55] I am confident you have adequate
[4:26:59] control of accounting and all
[4:27:02] funds with sound financial
[4:27:03] practices.
[4:27:04] I'm very pleased to find your
[4:27:06] performance excellent.
[4:27:08] so, thank you.
[4:27:11] >> thank you.
[4:27:12] >> alright.
[4:27:14] and going --
[4:27:20] [inaudible]
[4:27:21] >> you like that.
[4:27:22] I'm practicing.
[4:27:24] alright we're going to her item
[4:27:28] description.
[4:27:29] I think it says after a finding
[4:27:32] of a favorable annual review
[4:27:35] pursuant to conditions of 7,
[4:27:37] approved by majority vote of the
[4:27:39] city commission employee should
[4:27:41] be eligible for a annual mir it
[4:27:45] increase.
[4:27:46] anyone witch to have any comment
[4:27:49] on the annual merit increase for
[4:27:52] miss kisslan.
[4:27:54] commissioner scuotto,
[4:27:57] volunteering.
[4:27:58] thank you.
[4:27:59] >> I mean if we want to be
[4:28:00] consistent with the charter
[4:28:02] officers and go with the same --
[4:28:06] so.
[4:28:07] >> I will second that.
[4:28:08] >> I agree with that.
[4:28:10] >> ms. Guzman.
[4:28:13] >> yes.
[4:28:14] >> mayor ryan, did you hear
[4:28:15] that?
[4:28:16] it's a conscience of us here we
[4:28:19] would like to be consistent
[4:28:20] across the board with the
[4:28:21] charter.
[4:28:22] mayor ryan.
[4:28:29] is he still on the phone?
[4:28:33] >> they muted me.
[4:28:35] >> oh.
[4:28:36] >> they're not the first ones
[4:28:39] that have wanted to do that.
[4:28:40] >> I can we keep that feature.
[4:28:43] just kidding.
[4:28:44] >> when I'm there.
[4:28:47] I said I support.
[4:28:50] >> excellent, congratulations.
[4:28:53] >> thank you, very much.
[4:28:54] our direction comes from the
[4:28:55] top.
[4:28:56] thank you for all of the kudos
[4:28:57] to my staff.
[4:28:58] I will relay them too.
[4:29:00] >> good job.
[4:29:02] >> next victim.
[4:29:06] >> alright.
[4:29:08] 17f.
[4:29:09] police chief annual review.
[4:29:11] commission discussion and or
[4:29:12] action regarding the annual
[4:29:13] review and evaluation of the
[4:29:17] police chief, police chief
[4:29:19] anthony rosa.
[4:29:22] the floor is yours.
[4:29:23] >> thank you, commissioner.
[4:29:24] I want to thank you all for the
[4:29:26] opportunity to, you know serve
[4:29:28] as the police chief for the city
[4:29:30] of sunrise.
[4:29:32] it's a honor to serve as chief
[4:29:35] in a city such as this.
[4:29:37] there is an attachment to the
[4:29:39] background.
[4:29:40] I won't go through the whole
[4:29:41] thing.
[4:29:42] >> please don't.
[4:29:43] >> it's too long.
[4:29:44] >> I did want to say though we
[4:29:45] have been very successful in the
[4:29:47] police department in partnering
[4:29:49] with the community as a way to
[4:29:51] keep the crime at bay and to
[4:29:52] improve the quality of life for
[4:29:54] our residents.
[4:29:55] as best the police department
[4:29:57] can do.
[4:29:58] even with all of the challenges
[4:30:00] out in the world today.
[4:30:02] covid is a huge challenge.
[4:30:03] there is a cry in the law
[4:30:07] enforcement word or criminal
[4:30:10] justice world for social
[4:30:12] justice.
[4:30:13] the sunrise police department
[4:30:14] has been able to recognize that,
[4:30:16] adapt our method of policing in
[4:30:18] a manner that is consistent with
[4:30:20] community expectations and
[4:30:22] community requirements.
[4:30:23] I think we have been successful
[4:30:25] with that.
[4:30:27] police department is engaged
[4:30:28] with this community.
[4:30:30] like has never happened in the
[4:30:32] history of the police
[4:30:33] department.
[4:30:34] we are out there and engaged.
[4:30:38] I, I usually I think you
[4:30:40] recognize this and the
[4:30:41] commission recognizes I troy to
[4:30:43] stay humble about things.
[4:30:45] I won't be for now, for one
[4:30:47] aspect of the police department.
[4:30:49] the men and women of the sunrise
[4:30:51] police department are second to
[4:30:52] none.
[4:30:53] they're getting this done.
[4:30:55] you know because of their hard
[4:30:57] work.
[4:30:58] because of their efforts of my
[4:30:59] command staff, mid level
[4:31:01] management and line police
[4:31:03] officers other agencies.
[4:31:06] I have talked to chiefs and
[4:31:08] leaders from other cities they
[4:31:10] see our programs, see our
[4:31:12] effectiveness in the police
[4:31:14] department.
[4:31:15] they try to emulate us.
[4:31:16] I read an article today about a
[4:31:18] south florida --
[4:31:20] >> delray beach.
[4:31:22] >> ice cream truck.
[4:31:25] just came to them.
[4:31:26] >> I think it's a testament to a
[4:31:29] successful.
[4:31:30] I have had most of the police
[4:31:31] chiefs come to the police
[4:31:33] department and ask us how we do
[4:31:35] that.
[4:31:36] I use that as an example.
[4:31:38] I will go back to being humble
[4:31:40] now.
[4:31:41] I think that shows the
[4:31:42] dedication of the men and women
[4:31:44] of the sunrise police
[4:31:45] department.
[4:31:46] we remain a fully a credited
[4:31:53] agency in the state of florida.
[4:31:55] we do audits and inspections of
[4:31:57] ourselves to make sure we
[4:31:58] perform at the highest standard
[4:32:01] we can.
[4:32:02] we adapt when we don't think we
[4:32:03] are and make that judgment call.
[4:32:06] so, you know I'm not going to
[4:32:07] continue to go on.
[4:32:08] I will let you know I'm
[4:32:10] committed to continue leading
[4:32:12] the men and women of the sunrise
[4:32:14] police department in the future
[4:32:15] and do the best we can for our
[4:32:17] residents.
[4:32:18] thank you.
[4:32:19] >> thank you, chief.
[4:32:20] commissioner scuotto.
[4:32:22] >> do I really have to.
[4:32:24] this is like when mayor ryan
[4:32:25] made me start off with something
[4:32:27] else.
[4:32:28] I was the first one having to
[4:32:29] start off --
[4:32:30] >> I know where to go.
[4:32:31] >> I don't mind.
[4:32:32] chief, I have a long history
[4:32:39] here in sunrise.
[4:32:40] I have been here for 42 years.
[4:32:43] we have always.
[4:32:44] my family has always had a good
[4:32:46] relationship with the police
[4:32:47] department.
[4:32:48] even me as a kid.
[4:32:52] sunset strip.
[4:32:54] the a-frame police station.
[4:32:56] one of the guys living on my
[4:32:58] block, jerry o. He was one of
[4:33:01] the dispatchers.
[4:33:07] there were only a few at the
[4:33:08] time.
[4:33:09] he got my brother chippy a job
[4:33:12] working as a dispatcher.
[4:33:13] they had a gate that had a
[4:33:16] buzzer.
[4:33:17] they would buz you to go in.
[4:33:20] a wooden gate.
[4:33:21] I would go there on the weekend
[4:33:23] to my brother would make me sit
[4:33:26] there.
[4:33:27] I was a kid, 11 years old.
[4:33:29] I would hit the buzzer.
[4:33:31] the guy said, if I do it one
[4:33:34] more time, the guy, o. I won't
[4:33:37] say what he said.
[4:33:38] I'm just saying.
[4:33:39] from that time you know we
[4:33:42] always were involved with the
[4:33:43] police department.
[4:33:46] I have been through a lot of
[4:33:48] different chiefs.
[4:33:49] I will say sometimes change
[4:33:53] changes people.
[4:33:56] when chief boyet was here he
[4:34:00] first initiated computers to the
[4:34:04] police officers.
[4:34:05] we didn't have computers: chief
[4:34:10] brooks brought a different
[4:34:11] perspective.
[4:34:13] now yourself.
[4:34:16] you are probably one of the
[4:34:18] youngest chiefs not only for
[4:34:20] sunrise but probably around.
[4:34:24] you have showed enthusiasm of so
[4:34:28] many different things that you
[4:34:30] do in the department.
[4:34:33] whether you continue to do some
[4:34:34] things that each of them have
[4:34:39] done and continue to do the
[4:34:40] programs and there are things
[4:34:42] you have added.
[4:34:43] you have grown.
[4:34:44] you will grow a hot.
[4:34:46] because some of your police
[4:34:47] officers are older than you.
[4:34:49] so I'm sure you get a lot of
[4:34:54] feedback from them knowing that
[4:34:57] you know they have been around a
[4:34:59] long time.
[4:35:01] you have made more appointments
[4:35:05] then any chief probably in the
[4:35:07] history sunrise in such a short
[4:35:10] period of time.
[4:35:11] you have made more sergeants,
[4:35:13] lieutenants, majors, deputy
[4:35:17] chiefs.
[4:35:18] I'm just saying you have got to
[4:35:20] do it all.
[4:35:21] not all of your positions were
[4:35:29] maybe the right choice.
[4:35:32] could of been right choice for
[4:35:34] the time.
[4:35:37] this is what it is.
[4:35:41] one thing chief brooks always
[4:35:44] said round peg in a road hole.
[4:35:47] don't stuff something else in,
[4:35:49] it won't fit.
[4:35:50] it's also a learning curve.
[4:35:52] you have to feel who will be
[4:35:54] under you.
[4:35:55] side by side with you.
[4:35:56] through all of this.
[4:36:01] you mention different aspects of
[4:36:03] how the pandemic and how social
[4:36:07] things that are going on out
[4:36:08] there.
[4:36:09] we put it this way.
[4:36:11] we don't see any of that in the
[4:36:13] city.
[4:36:14] because we have always been on
[4:36:16] the proactive side.
[4:36:17] when community policing was
[4:36:23] introduced that was boyet's
[4:36:26] first thing.
[4:36:27] they did that in brooklyn
[4:36:28] because cops walked a beat.
[4:36:31] they actually walked.
[4:36:32] they had different things.
[4:36:33] they had housing.
[4:36:34] they had transit.
[4:36:35] many different things.
[4:36:36] they also had two cops in a car.
[4:36:42] here it's different.
[4:36:43] you have one cop in a car.
[4:36:45] sometimes it's different because
[4:36:46] that one cop is now the boss.
[4:36:49] he doesn't have a partner to
[4:36:51] bounce things off.
[4:36:52] police, I mean fire is not one
[4:36:54] person.
[4:36:56] it's either multiple people on
[4:36:58] the rescue or multiple people on
[4:37:00] the fire truck.
[4:37:01] so it's living they work as a
[4:37:03] team.
[4:37:04] not to say you don't.
[4:37:05] so it's just a different way out
[4:37:07] there.
[4:37:08] we don't look at it like that.
[4:37:10] all of the programs that you do.
[4:37:12] is mostly all of the involvement
[4:37:20] you do in the community.
[4:37:21] the resource officers started in
[4:37:28] the high schools.
[4:37:29] then sunrise went to middle
[4:37:31] school and then elementary
[4:37:33] school.
[4:37:34] by brooks starting the lemonade
[4:37:36] stands and burger and hot doggy
[4:37:38] vents.
[4:37:39] we're always engaged in the
[4:37:40] community.
[4:37:41] people like, you're not just
[4:37:42] giving out free food.
[4:37:43] you're going to a neighborhood
[4:37:46] of the hundred or two hundred
[4:37:48] people you serve maybe five of
[4:37:52] them come to you and say see
[4:37:54] that house right had there.
[4:37:55] see that business there.
[4:37:57] did you ski the car right there.
[4:37:59] so it's more as a information
[4:38:02] gathering too.
[4:38:03] we're always proactive.
[4:38:07] you know previous city managers
[4:38:10] always worry about blight.
[4:38:12] always said we will never have
[4:38:14] blight.
[4:38:15] it could happen.
[4:38:18] we don't make it happen.
[4:38:19] you can drive around any
[4:38:21] business.
[4:38:22] there are no boards.
[4:38:23] we have tops on the roof because
[4:38:26] a hurricane.
[4:38:27] we don't have boarded up stores,
[4:38:28] broken windows.
[4:38:32] so I think your following to me.
[4:38:34] in the same footsteps what had
[4:38:36] we have had.
[4:38:38] we continue.
[4:38:40] I enjoy working with you.
[4:38:42] you have a great command staff.
[4:38:44] there is probably no one better
[4:38:46] than who you have standing,
[4:38:50] sitting back there.
[4:38:51] apologize that your standing at
[4:38:54] a podium where the two previous
[4:38:56] people are sitting as a desk.
[4:38:58] now a little more comfortable.
[4:38:59] it's you at the podium.
[4:39:02] the only difference is I will
[4:39:07] put back on the agenda that you
[4:39:11] will do a report and the fire
[4:39:14] chief will do a report.
[4:39:16] it's good that you get to get
[4:39:18] what we have to do like right
[4:39:20] now.
[4:39:21] this is difficult for us to sit
[4:39:23] up here and evaluate ate you.
[4:39:25] right or kim, mark, felicia.
[4:39:34] imagine if I sat there and you
[4:39:37] five that we're interviewing.
[4:39:39] I'm sure there are a lot of
[4:39:40] things --
[4:39:41] >> we wouldn't hire you.
[4:39:44] >> I'm just saying in a general.
[4:39:46] you know.
[4:39:47] it's very difficult for you to
[4:39:52] take from what we say.
[4:39:54] if it was on a negative.
[4:39:55] we like working with the people
[4:40:01] we.
[4:40:02] have think we have a good
[4:40:03] working group.
[4:40:04] it's hard to find the negative
[4:40:06] sometimes.
[4:40:07] I think we work so well.
[4:40:11] it's different when people are
[4:40:14] always competing.
[4:40:15] you know if, this is my personal
[4:40:19] opinion, if the mayor was from a
[4:40:21] district and all of us were from
[4:40:23] a district I think it would be a
[4:40:25] little different.
[4:40:26] we would fight among each other
[4:40:28] for different things.
[4:40:29] you're working for the whole,
[4:40:31] you're working for us.
[4:40:33] you're not worried about just
[4:40:35] the e side or west side.
[4:40:38] just a mall or a business.
[4:40:40] you worry about everyone and
[4:40:42] everything.
[4:40:43] it's a tough part to do that you
[4:40:46] are doing.
[4:40:47] then also have to worry about
[4:40:49] what is going on in other
[4:40:50] communities surrounding us.
[4:40:54] what problems and issues they
[4:40:55] have.
[4:40:56] because we have cities on either
[4:41:01] side of us and everyone else has
[4:41:03] something going on.
[4:41:04] it's good to know that you are
[4:41:06] an elected by your peers as the
[4:41:10] fire chief association where you
[4:41:12] have that good relationship with
[4:41:14] people and you have the good
[4:41:16] relationship with other cities
[4:41:18] where you guys can collaborate
[4:41:20] together on a normal basis and
[4:41:23] help each other.
[4:41:24] the same way we have with the
[4:41:27] ems where if a call comes in, if
[4:41:32] tamarack is the closest or
[4:41:35] lauder hill or plantation is the
[4:41:38] closest, who ever is they're the
[4:41:40] first one on scene.
[4:41:41] so, you know your communication
[4:41:46] skills with me are, you know
[4:41:48] dynamite.
[4:41:49] I do get calls at 1:00 o'clock,
[4:41:52] 2:00 o'clock, 3:00 o'clock in
[4:41:54] the morning.
[4:41:55] ill don't mind.
[4:41:56] I don't e-mail.
[4:41:57] I don't text.
[4:41:58] that may annoy you, you get the
[4:42:00] text and have to wake up to
[4:42:02] actually call my.
[4:42:04] that's part of the way you make
[4:42:05] the big bucks.
[4:42:08] I wish you the best.
[4:42:10] you have a great staff.
[4:42:11] the men and women of your
[4:42:13] department.
[4:42:15] I don't really hear anything
[4:42:17] negative about you from them.
[4:42:21] I wish you the best of luck.
[4:42:23] continue to do what you're
[4:42:24] doing.
[4:42:27] you definitely get a favor able
[4:42:29] from me.
[4:42:30] >> thank you.
[4:42:31] >> you're welcome.
[4:42:32] >> commissioner douglas.
[4:42:33] >> thank you, deputy mayor.
[4:42:40] so, mr. Police chief years ago a
[4:42:45] couple of years ago obviously
[4:42:49] one of the first tasks I had
[4:42:55] joining the commission was to
[4:42:57] weight in on who would be the
[4:42:59] next police chief.
[4:43:01] obviously different ideas about
[4:43:03] where we wanted to go and who
[4:43:05] the leadership should be were
[4:43:07] thrown out.
[4:43:08] ultimately this commission chose
[4:43:14] you.
[4:43:15] I think it was largely stated
[4:43:16] that your community policing
[4:43:22] philosophy won the day as you
[4:43:25] indicated it.
[4:43:28] it has born itself out.
[4:43:31] since you have been chief.
[4:43:34] you know there was a mention
[4:43:38] about the social demands that
[4:43:42] have been made not just in
[4:43:44] sunrise or broward or florida,
[4:43:47] but across this nation.
[4:43:49] for some adjustment.
[4:43:52] think the population continues
[4:43:53] to support police.
[4:43:55] some adjustment in how we police
[4:43:57] our communities.
[4:43:58] I think one of the advantages we
[4:44:09] have is police leadership that
[4:44:11] is geared towards you being
[4:44:13] flexible in that regard because
[4:44:14] you already believe that. I can
[4:44:17] imagine there are many
[4:44:18] communities where there needs to
[4:44:19] be a change.
[4:44:20] there needs to be a shift.
[4:44:22] now the leadership has to now be
[4:44:26] pulling teeth with their police.
[4:44:29] in order to shift that
[4:44:30] direction.
[4:44:31] so I think we're lucky for
[4:44:33] having chosen a leader that is
[4:44:40] already philosophically bent in
[4:44:47] that direction.
[4:44:48] obviously it's a challenge
[4:44:51] leading with the turn overs that
[4:44:52] have occurred.
[4:44:55] my colleague indicated that you
[4:44:57] have appointed more people than
[4:45:01] anyone in history.
[4:45:03] I guess he has history to say
[4:45:06] so.
[4:45:07] he went back and knows this more
[4:45:08] so than I would, I couldn't put
[4:45:10] a number on it I certainly by
[4:45:12] observation would see that there
[4:45:16] is quite a bit.
[4:45:17] some of it thankfully . So I'm
[4:45:23] not crying any tears.
[4:45:24] obviously some would come
[4:45:28] naturally.
[4:45:29] if there are three potential
[4:45:34] leaders of a different they
[4:45:36] would have different philosophic
[4:45:39] al bent.
[4:45:40] some in the second tier
[4:45:42] leadership may not feel they
[4:45:44] would do well in the ultimate
[4:45:46] leader.
[4:45:47] whether it's you or any prior
[4:45:48] colleague that competed for the
[4:45:51] job.
[4:45:52] who ever got the job -p they
[4:45:55] probably would of resulted in
[4:45:56] some attrition as a result of
[4:45:59] living up to this leader's
[4:46:02] expectation or how would you
[4:46:04] like to change.
[4:46:05] it's obviously something that
[4:46:12] generates risk.
[4:46:16] however where you have high turn
[4:46:23] overs especially at this senior
[4:46:25] level.
[4:46:26] I don't think you can you can't
[4:46:29] really just train judgment into
[4:46:31] somebody.
[4:46:32] you need to develop that
[4:46:36] experience overtime.
[4:46:40] you don't want a rookie becoming
[4:46:43] a lieutenant over night.
[4:46:44] often times we, we may have for
[4:46:48] example an event and the
[4:46:53] lieutenant is the highest level
[4:46:54] of command on the scene.
[4:46:58] they maybe called ton to make
[4:47:01] quick decision that's can't wait
[4:47:03] for the major or deputy chief or
[4:47:08] chief.
[4:47:09] he want to authorize and develop
[4:47:10] our sergeants appropriately
[4:47:13] develop our lieutenants
[4:47:14] appropriately before they get
[4:47:16] more responsibility.
[4:47:18] there is flex in from.
[4:47:20] thus far you have managed with
[4:47:26] the team you have and have made
[4:47:32] appropriate adjustments as
[4:47:35] necessary.
[4:47:36] pointing to the covid
[4:47:37] environment your police officers
[4:47:38] have gone above and beyond.
[4:47:42] I mean we have had for example
[4:47:44] protests in our like al
[4:47:46] community.
[4:47:47] we did not get any neck tiff
[4:47:49] feedback with respect to how our
[4:47:53] men and women went out there and
[4:47:54] policed the community.
[4:47:57] even under the most challenging
[4:48:02] of circumstances.
[4:48:03] for the more serious crimes
[4:48:06] occurring we have largely been
[4:48:08] able to get a solution to those
[4:48:10] including those that would of
[4:48:12] come into our community and
[4:48:13] caused mayhem.
[4:48:15] we have largely been able to
[4:48:18] track them down.
[4:48:19] make the arrest and bring them
[4:48:20] before the courts.
[4:48:21] obviously that is a testament to
[4:48:25] the men and women that you lead.
[4:48:27] you cheerly have the respect of
[4:48:34] your men and women.
[4:48:38] another reason I chose you, you
[4:48:39] are military.
[4:48:40] a leopard is a leopard.
[4:48:42] a wolf is a wolf.
[4:48:44] a sheep is a sheep.
[4:48:45] I didn't choose a sheep for the
[4:48:48] reasons that when you have a
[4:48:50] hierarchy of machine and women
[4:48:54] running around town with guns
[4:48:56] you need strong leadership.
[4:48:57] I believe you're that.
[4:48:59] so you though we have worked
[4:49:04] well together.
[4:49:05] covid brought challenges which
[4:49:07] your men and women have gone out
[4:49:09] there to help with food drives
[4:49:11] and different things that are
[4:49:16] sometimes outside of the scope
[4:49:17] of typical policing.
[4:49:20] and I have often said that in
[4:49:22] some areas we do over use the
[4:49:24] police.
[4:49:25] not just sunrise but generally,
[4:49:32] philosophically.
[4:49:33] there are so many areas that we
[4:49:35] use the police that may not of
[4:49:36] required police.
[4:49:37] that is a big over arching issue
[4:49:40] for policing across the country
[4:49:42] where we bring the police into
[4:49:43] contact with citizens where they
[4:49:46] probably ought not to have and
[4:49:48] it escalates into, I gave you a
[4:49:54] command.
[4:49:55] you didn't follow it.
[4:49:56] I'm taking you to the ground, or
[4:49:58] whatever language is used.
[4:50:00] next thing you know it's
[4:50:01] resisting arrest or whatever it
[4:50:04] escalates.
[4:50:07] probably we needed a different
[4:50:08] professional for that. You have
[4:50:12] been able to make the
[4:50:13] adjustments.
[4:50:14] you certainly have proven to be
[4:50:17] a leader among leaders.
[4:50:19] I have heard of the work you did
[4:50:21] with the 911, 9-11 task forces
[4:50:26] that were in place.
[4:50:27] that was more active when the
[4:50:28] formation was taking place.
[4:50:31] now you're the president of the
[4:50:35] broward county police chief
[4:50:37] association.
[4:50:40] I'm sure in that roll you have
[4:50:42] been able to work very well with
[4:50:44] our state attorneys, public
[4:50:47] defenders.
[4:50:48] other other law enforcement.
[4:50:56] you represent sunrise.
[4:50:59] I have listened to presentations
[4:51:01] you have given to other bodies,
[4:51:03] groups, community groups,
[4:51:05] etcetera, I'm always in those
[4:51:08] situations feeling a sense of
[4:51:11] pride how you represent us.
[4:51:12] in those areas that we disagree
[4:51:14] we always discuss my views and
[4:51:23] philosophies.
[4:51:24] I have used -- reference before.
[4:51:27] I won't use it tonight.
[4:51:29] having five different people
[4:51:30] coming with different
[4:51:31] philosophies on how to police
[4:51:33] and what not, obviously I don't
[4:51:35] know what your conversation is
[4:51:38] with my colleagues.
[4:51:39] all and all I think we're close
[4:51:41] together in such that you have
[4:51:42] consistently been able to keep
[4:51:45] us at peace.
[4:51:47] I commend your efforts and
[4:51:51] continue to look forward to you
[4:51:53] strengthening the department.
[4:51:57] stabilizing the leadership and
[4:52:00] keeping our community safe.
[4:52:01] >> thank you, commissioner.
[4:52:02] >> assistant governor guzman.
[4:52:05] >> with what I just heard.
[4:52:08] I thought if we had a police
[4:52:10] officer that had to be a
[4:52:11] resident that would suck that
[4:52:14] you wouldn't be here now.
[4:52:16] I'm glad you are here.
[4:52:17] >> you just have to move within
[4:52:19] six months.
[4:52:20] [laughing]
[4:52:21] I'm just saying, right.
[4:52:26] I had my first encounter with
[4:52:28] you and the police department
[4:52:30] 2016, 2017 with my son jose.
[4:52:34] as a resident I was so thankful
[4:52:37] that you were, you and your team
[4:52:39] were involved in the community.
[4:52:40] welcoming me and my son.
[4:52:42] you know showing that level of
[4:52:45] engagement and open arms into
[4:52:49] your, your building.
[4:52:50] so I want to thank you for all
[4:52:52] you have done during those
[4:52:55] years, getting to know you, the
[4:52:57] community, engagement officers.
[4:52:59] I want to commend you also for
[4:53:01] the diversity in the city.
[4:53:03] I know years ago the kind of,
[4:53:05] you know culture we had.
[4:53:07] versus now.
[4:53:08] it's really nice to see, you
[4:53:10] know not just black american
[4:53:12] officers but hispanic, and
[4:53:14] women.
[4:53:15] you have major labell.
[4:53:19] that's amazing.
[4:53:20] thank you for that part of your
[4:53:21] department.
[4:53:24] again going back to community
[4:53:26] policing.
[4:53:27] I don't think any other city
[4:53:30] anywhere.
[4:53:31] broward, miami., west palm have
[4:53:33] what you do.
[4:53:35] you're not just the ice cream
[4:53:36] and barbecues.
[4:53:37] I mean real conversations.
[4:53:39] one-on-one mentoring and getting
[4:53:46] to know individuals.
[4:53:47] east, west, central.
[4:53:49] I think there is a level of
[4:53:51] comfort to walk up to a officer
[4:53:53] and now you will have a
[4:53:56] conversation and not looked down
[4:53:59] at, like get away from me.
[4:54:02] some places are like that.
[4:54:03] they don't want to be
[4:54:04] approached.
[4:54:05] I don't see that.
[4:54:06] thank you.
[4:54:07] I also want to mention I had the
[4:54:09] opportunity to go behind the
[4:54:11] scenes and see what you do for
[4:54:13] training.
[4:54:14] I was just really, you know you
[4:54:16] don't, you don't know until you
[4:54:18] see first hand.
[4:54:19] so it's hard to speak without
[4:54:21] knowing, being in your shoes.
[4:54:23] I mean what you do, risk of your
[4:54:27] lives daily.
[4:54:28] I just, I really have a level of
[4:54:30] appreciations for the police
[4:54:32] department and the fire
[4:54:34] department.
[4:54:35] police is in front of me.
[4:54:36] so, thank you.
[4:54:38] taking the calls anytime of the
[4:54:41] day.
[4:54:42] you call me, I call you.
[4:54:43] I know I will get a response.
[4:54:45] I have questions, you're there
[4:54:47] to answer.
[4:54:48] there is nothing negative I can
[4:54:50] say I have had to encounter the
[4:54:52] last eight or nine months I have
[4:54:54] been here.
[4:54:55] so, thank you.
[4:54:56] I will add one more thing.
[4:54:57] when it comes to the social
[4:54:58] media.
[4:54:59] I man, granted your physical
[4:55:01] presence out on the bikes is
[4:55:03] great.
[4:55:04] for those who are not out in the
[4:55:05] community as much and they're,
[4:55:06] you know, the new technology we
[4:55:09] have now it's apps and social
[4:55:11] media, instagram.
[4:55:13] you name it, you guys are there,
[4:55:17] engaged, getting information,
[4:55:19] providing information, you are
[4:55:20] on top of it and set the bar.
[4:55:22] thank you.
[4:55:23] that's.
[4:55:24] announcer:
[4:55:25] >> thank you, very much.
[4:55:26] >> mayor ryan.
[4:55:27] >> thank you, deputy mayor.
[4:55:29] chief, it has been quite an
[4:55:31] amazing year.
[4:55:34] I want to begin by thanking you
[4:55:38] for dictating a policy and
[4:55:42] series of policies meant to
[4:55:47] protect the men and women.
[4:55:48] unlike perhaps in my law office
[4:55:50] or people who have worked in a
[4:55:55] office or a business, you had to
[4:55:57] protect your staff because most
[4:56:00] importantly you had to make sure
[4:56:02] they were there for the mission.
[4:56:04] I know that's been challenging.
[4:56:06] we're going through a rough time
[4:56:09] right now.
[4:56:10] between and you your command
[4:56:12] staff and the tone you set about
[4:56:13] the importance of making smart
[4:56:16] personal decisions because
[4:56:21] having officers out or having
[4:56:23] officers ill or having officers
[4:56:25] not coming to work jeopardizes
[4:56:28] the mission of protecting.
[4:56:30] that is our first job as a city.
[4:56:32] going back I want to spend very
[4:56:35] little time reflecting.
[4:56:36] I want to thank you for your
[4:56:38] leadership as commissioner
[4:56:40] douglas pointed out on the 911
[4:56:44] issues as carry forward we began
[4:56:46] the msd commission.
[4:56:49] the police chief association
[4:56:51] needed someone to testify.
[4:56:53] they chose you.
[4:56:55] your continued engagement of the
[4:56:57] leadership of the commissioned
[4:57:00] that your peers respect you.
[4:57:02] not just for technical expertise
[4:57:05] but operational and situational
[4:57:09] awareness and what you bring.
[4:57:11] I can go on about your command
[4:57:14] staff.
[4:57:15] choices are exemplary.
[4:57:16] your personal development has
[4:57:18] been as my colleagues have
[4:57:19] pointed out a model for moving
[4:57:21] forward in a time where we must.
[4:57:24] your ability to plan and
[4:57:25] organize.
[4:57:26] towards the objective is
[4:57:33] unmatched.
[4:57:34] your interpersonal skills are
[4:57:37] exemplary.
[4:57:44] each of my colleagues feel you
[4:57:47] treat them as the most important
[4:57:49] person that needs to be updated.
[4:57:51] you treat us equally.
[4:57:53] we all know you update us.
[4:57:54] I want to pause for a moment and
[4:57:56] reflect upon perhaps some of the
[4:58:00] best examples of why I believe
[4:58:02] and I think my colleagues
[4:58:04] believe we have the best police
[4:58:06] chief in the county for sure.
[4:58:09] after may 25th, 2020, the
[4:58:11] death of george floyd you took
[4:58:14] rapid action.
[4:58:16] one of the criticisms of police
[4:58:18] departments that came from prior
[4:58:23] task forces and blue rip on
[4:58:27] commissions locally organized my
[4:58:31] congressman hastings and
[4:58:33] congress woman schultz.
[4:58:36] part what had we learned that
[4:58:38] worked was for too long police
[4:58:41] departments were silent when
[4:58:42] something happened a thousand
[4:58:44] miles away.
[4:58:45] no matter how the conduct of the
[4:58:53] police officers there was
[4:58:54] silence.
[4:58:55] that silence is acquiescence.
[4:59:01] it's true there was this level
[4:59:11] of silence.
[4:59:12] your work with the police
[4:59:15] chief's association to rapidly
[4:59:17] issue a statement condemning the
[4:59:19] activity and conduct that
[4:59:21] resulted in george floyd's death
[4:59:27] sent a strong message tonight
[4:59:31] community about community
[4:59:32] policing.
[4:59:33] it's not just easy, peaceful and
[4:59:35] pop up barbecues.
[4:59:37] it's being there for tough
[4:59:39] discussions.
[4:59:40] you were further tested when the
[4:59:44] community came out to be heard
[4:59:46] and to march.
[4:59:47] we saw how other communities
[4:59:49] managed those challenging
[4:59:52] situations.
[4:59:54] while behind the scenes you and
[4:59:57] many departments were prepared
[4:59:59] for potentially the worst
[5:00:04] situation you set a tone of
[5:00:06] leadership with your command
[5:00:09] staff that was evidence to all
[5:00:16] in uniform on the street.
[5:00:17] when the marchs began in sunrise
[5:00:20] your philosophy that traffic
[5:00:24] inconvenience was not a reason
[5:00:27] to interrupt first amendment
[5:00:29] rights or allow people to be
[5:00:31] heard resulted in one of the
[5:00:33] most unusual scenes I have had
[5:00:36] the opportunity to observe in
[5:00:37] the years I have been here.
[5:00:40] that includes many of those
[5:00:42] protesters thanking you and your
[5:00:46] officers for allowing it to
[5:00:47] happen.
[5:00:48] to flow.
[5:00:50] even moments where I saw you
[5:00:51] personally get out of the car to
[5:00:53] help those who were marching in
[5:00:55] need of water or assistance.
[5:00:57] it was honest and not for a
[5:00:59] photo op.
[5:01:00] it was because you truly cared
[5:01:02] about those that were there with
[5:01:05] not only the right but the
[5:01:07] obligation to have their voices
[5:01:09] heard.
[5:01:10] as the march provided throughout
[5:01:12] sunrise and plantation and back
[5:01:14] to sunrise.
[5:01:16] at the end of the day I saw
[5:01:19] officers giving rides to some
[5:01:21] protesters who had a long way to
[5:01:23] go to cars or not feeling well.
[5:01:25] they did it with great
[5:01:29] sincereness.
[5:01:35] it's an example of the tone you
[5:01:37] set for this department that
[5:01:38] makes the difference for our
[5:01:39] community.
[5:01:40] of course you have to do all of
[5:01:42] the other things.
[5:01:43] control speeding on streets,
[5:01:44] people driving motorcycles too
[5:01:46] fast, crime that spills no our
[5:01:49] city, then cooperating with
[5:01:52] agencies at state and federal as
[5:01:55] well as local partners.
[5:01:56] that is all expect the of you.
[5:01:59] these other moments when you
[5:02:01] have set the tone for how a
[5:02:03] police department must relate
[5:02:05] with the community, must be part
[5:02:08] of the community.
[5:02:10] it's demonstrated not again when
[5:02:12] it's easy to put a barbecue up
[5:02:15] but when times could be
[5:02:16] difficult or challenging and you
[5:02:18] need to be part of a difficult
[5:02:20] situation.
[5:02:21] I thank you for your commitment,
[5:02:23] that is 24/7.
[5:02:25] I frankly don't understand where
[5:02:28] you get the energy to manage
[5:02:30] everything that you must manage
[5:02:32] and still have the time to
[5:02:35] update us on sensitive issues.
[5:02:38] I know we only get to hear a
[5:02:40] portion of what you carry in
[5:02:42] your head and what you carry to
[5:02:44] bed.
[5:02:45] what wakes you up in the middle
[5:02:47] of the night.
[5:02:48] yet you do it with a sincere and
[5:02:50] complete commitment to our city.
[5:02:51] I again will say what I said
[5:02:54] about ms. Kisslan is it mark.
[5:02:58] I'm sincerely blessed to work
[5:03:00] along side you.
[5:03:02] I thank you for your commitment
[5:03:03] to the residents, businesses,
[5:03:06] the visitors, the city,
[5:03:08] commission, staff, everything
[5:03:09] that you and your command staff
[5:03:11] and every officer throughout the
[5:03:13] department as well as our
[5:03:15] civilian support do for our
[5:03:17] community.
[5:03:18] it's a credit to your
[5:03:19] leadership.
[5:03:20] thank you, sir.
[5:03:21] >> thank you, very much mayor.
[5:03:23] >> okay, cleave.
[5:03:25] in preparation for your review
[5:03:27] we had the opportunity to talk.
[5:03:28] I reviewed your commission
[5:03:30] review.
[5:03:31] 2021 attachment in the backup.
[5:03:34] as well as many e-mails
[5:03:36] throughout the year.
[5:03:37] I find these documents clearly
[5:03:39] identified and demonstrate your
[5:03:42] significant achievements and
[5:03:43] objectives.
[5:03:44] with your decision making and
[5:03:46] judgment I find you consistently
[5:03:48] demonstrate quality of analysis
[5:03:50] and judgment related to progress
[5:03:53] and opportunities for the need
[5:03:56] of changes in the sunrise police
[5:03:58] department.
[5:03:59] you focus on targeting crime
[5:04:00] that impacts our quality of life
[5:04:02] with significant crime
[5:04:03] reduction.
[5:04:04] your guidance is instrumental in
[5:04:06] my decision making and the
[5:04:08] success of our city and police
[5:04:10] department.
[5:04:11] with respect to your personnel
[5:04:13] development.
[5:04:14] I find your command staff and
[5:04:15] organization not only the best
[5:04:17] in broward county but I would
[5:04:19] put you against anyone in
[5:04:20] florida.
[5:04:21] you recruit and retain a diverse
[5:04:24] staff.
[5:04:25] your goal to attract the cream
[5:04:26] of the crop is admirable.
[5:04:29] it reflects in your, throughout
[5:04:33] your organization.
[5:04:34] you have increased the diversity
[5:04:36] in our patrol officers and
[5:04:39] command with your appointments.
[5:04:41] I love the fact that you take
[5:04:43] the time to personally interview
[5:04:45] and meet every new recruit and
[5:04:47] officer.
[5:04:48] I find that you establish and
[5:04:49] lead an effective management
[5:04:52] team.
[5:04:53] work in collaboration of the
[5:04:54] police unions.
[5:04:56] your use of the officer of the
[5:04:57] month and promotional ceremonies
[5:05:00] allow the achievements of staff.
[5:05:04] with respect to planning and
[5:05:05] organizing I find you work well
[5:05:10] with the commission and achieve
[5:05:11] city mission goals and financial
[5:05:14] viability.
[5:05:15] I share the same vision of you.
[5:05:16] transparent, service orientated,
[5:05:19] community engaged police
[5:05:21] department.
[5:05:22] our department is guardians of
[5:05:24] the neighborhood.
[5:05:25] -- in awe of your commitment of
[5:05:38] community based events, the back
[5:05:41] to school roundup, the citizens
[5:05:43] police academy, advance academy,
[5:05:47] assault, your dedication to
[5:05:48] public information officers at
[5:05:51] community meetings.
[5:05:52] the bike patrols where you make
[5:05:54] officers get off the bikes, give
[5:05:57] badges out to contact, citizen
[5:06:00] contact.
[5:06:02] ice cream truck, I mean, the sun
[5:06:06] sentinel says it all.
[5:06:08] your social media, guzman says
[5:06:14] it's out there.
[5:06:15] your engagement in the community
[5:06:17] is second to none.
[5:06:19] I appreciate that.
[5:06:20] I appreciate having our sros,
[5:06:23] your commitment to that. Making
[5:06:24] sure the schools are safe.
[5:06:26] making sure that bond with the
[5:06:31] child starts young and caries on
[5:06:33] throughout.
[5:06:34] that's something the whole
[5:06:35] nation needs to do not just here
[5:06:37] in sunrise.
[5:06:39] your inner personal skills I
[5:06:41] find that you, you have built
[5:06:45] and continue to build a
[5:06:47] respective pro foil for the city
[5:06:49] through engagement activities.
[5:06:52] I find you work well with staff,
[5:06:56] finance committee -- monitor
[5:06:59] progress and initiate changes as
[5:07:03] appropriate.
[5:07:06] please d that you serve with the
[5:07:08] broward county chief
[5:07:10] association.
[5:07:11] I am very pleased that you
[5:07:15] actively listen to the officers
[5:07:17] at the ground level when it
[5:07:18] relates to any issues going on
[5:07:21] throughout your organization.
[5:07:23] chief, I get the calls, you keep
[5:07:26] me fully informed.
[5:07:27] sometimes it's two, three, four
[5:07:29] calls a day.
[5:07:30] you do keep me informed.
[5:07:32] it's timely.
[5:07:36] on all aspects of the
[5:07:38] organization.
[5:07:39] your weekly reports, I truly
[5:07:45] believe that you represent the
[5:07:49] department and city of sunrise
[5:07:51] well.
[5:07:52] not only in sunrise but
[5:07:53] throughout broward county.
[5:07:55] with other residents, government
[5:07:57] agencies, elected officials and
[5:07:59] the general public.
[5:08:01] I will note you maintain your
[5:08:04] department accreditation again.
[5:08:06] I believe you share adequate
[5:08:08] control over the funds and
[5:08:10] include maintaining sound
[5:08:12] financial practices.
[5:08:13] you demonstrate quality of
[5:08:16] analysis and judgment for our
[5:08:19] community.
[5:08:20] you're proactively reviewing and
[5:08:21] willingness to make changes that
[5:08:23] are needed to any department
[5:08:25] policies and procedure.
[5:08:27] as my colleagues have echoed
[5:08:29] prior to me I find your
[5:08:31] performance excellent.
[5:08:33] thank you for making it easy to
[5:08:34] give you a review.
[5:08:37] keep up the good work.
[5:08:38] I can't say enough good things
[5:08:40] about the organization.
[5:08:41] the men and women that look up
[5:08:43] to you.
[5:08:44] the public that looks to you.
[5:08:45] you have support.
[5:08:46] if you need license plate
[5:08:48] readers I'm sure we will hear
[5:08:50] about it.
[5:08:51] as you know whatever you need to
[5:08:52] make your job successful I will
[5:08:56] make sure you get the funding.
[5:08:58] alright.
[5:08:59] chief, good job.
[5:09:00] >> thank you, very much.
[5:09:01] >> I have one -- go ahead,
[5:09:04] chief.
[5:09:05] I'm sorry, go ahead.
[5:09:06] >> okay.
[5:09:08] >> I wanted to thank the
[5:09:09] commissioner.
[5:09:10] >> so I neglected to mention one
[5:09:13] thing.
[5:09:14] I think I should specifically I
[5:09:17] have been on the other side of
[5:09:18] the issue.
[5:09:19] you know obviously it's the
[5:09:20] issue of diversity.
[5:09:22] my colleague mentioned and I
[5:09:25] didn't.
[5:09:26] because I have often publicly
[5:09:28] spoken about the lack of
[5:09:29] diversity in the city.
[5:09:31] I should commend you for your
[5:09:34] efforts since you became chief
[5:09:37] to without compromising the
[5:09:42] quality of the candidates give a
[5:09:44] more diverse view or look to
[5:09:47] more diverse candidates.
[5:09:49] that has been renexted in your
[5:09:51] report to the increase of
[5:09:52] diversity.
[5:09:54] again it goes without saying
[5:09:56] that for community as diverse as
[5:09:59] sunrise that it's important that
[5:10:02] men and women of the city who
[5:10:07] are police officers are
[5:10:08] reflective of the diverse
[5:10:11] population which they police.
[5:10:13] the children when they go to
[5:10:16] events or when they look and see
[5:10:19] a police officer they see
[5:10:21] themselves in that police
[5:10:22] officer.
[5:10:23] they say I can be that too.
[5:10:25] you know recently I read during
[5:10:29] the olympics they talked about
[5:10:33] the gymnasts.
[5:10:34] how african-american females
[5:10:42] over the last years have become
[5:10:44] the forefront of american
[5:10:46] gymnastic success.
[5:10:48] a article I read, there was a
[5:10:50] trainer that said, years ago
[5:10:52] she -- there was none.
[5:10:57] it was after the first person
[5:10:58] that came out then
[5:11:00] african-american young girls
[5:11:02] could see themselves.
[5:11:07] I can do gymnastics.
[5:11:09] someone that looks like me was
[5:11:10] successful at it.
[5:11:12] so when we are, when our kids
[5:11:14] are looking around and looking
[5:11:16] at men and women in uniform in
[5:11:21] fire, police or leadership rolls
[5:11:23] they need to see themselves in
[5:11:25] those.
[5:11:26] so, I am grateful for your
[5:11:30] taking that bull by the horn.
[5:11:32] I can tell you I know it's not
[5:11:34] always easy to push in that
[5:11:37] direction.
[5:11:38] you know you maybe the boss but
[5:11:40] you do have a whole slew of
[5:11:42] people that may have different
[5:11:45] ideas about how this should be
[5:11:48] done.
[5:11:49] I commend you for doing that,
[5:11:51] you know hiring quality
[5:11:54] candidates too.
[5:11:56] these are all largely
[5:11:58] accomplished whether through
[5:12:00] education, training, military
[5:12:02] service or what not that only
[5:12:04] has gone to strengthen the
[5:12:06] department and make the out look
[5:12:09] for future leadership even more
[5:12:11] diverse.
[5:12:12] I appreciate, I believe we had
[5:12:16] the first african-american
[5:12:18] major.
[5:12:19] first african-american
[5:12:20] lieutenant.
[5:12:21] probably south.
[5:12:23] I don't want to commit to that.
[5:12:27] I don't remember if sergeant is
[5:12:29] involved.
[5:12:30] certainly under your leadership
[5:12:32] you have brought more diversity
[5:12:34] to the men and women on the road
[5:12:36] and leadership.
[5:12:37] I have often spoken about it
[5:12:40] when it's not a favorable
[5:12:42] comment I would be remiss if I
[5:12:44] didn't also bring that up
[5:12:46] tonight.
[5:12:47] but you don't get to stop where
[5:12:49] you are.
[5:12:50] certainly I want to commend you
[5:12:52] on that.
[5:12:53] >> thank you.
[5:12:55] >> any other comments?
[5:12:56] so, pursuant to chief rosa's
[5:13:02] employment contract it says
[5:13:03] every give year the police
[5:13:06] department maintains a law
[5:13:08] enforcement certification from
[5:13:09] certified accreditation agency
[5:13:13] and receives a favorable review
[5:13:16] the probably maybe eligible to
[5:13:20] receive a merit increase of 5%.
[5:13:23] I'm in favor of 2.5% we have
[5:13:25] done so far consistently.
[5:13:28] >> second.
[5:13:29] >> everyone else in agreement.
[5:13:30] >> yes.
[5:13:32] >> mayor ryan.
[5:13:33] >> I support.
[5:13:34] >> congratulations, chief rosa.
[5:13:37] >> thank you.
[5:13:38] it was mentioned.
[5:13:40] I'm blessed to work for this
[5:13:42] commission, this city.
[5:13:43] I'm blessed to have the staff I
[5:13:45] have and the way they serve the
[5:13:47] community.
[5:13:48] so thank you, very much.
[5:13:49] >> good job, chief.
[5:13:50] >> thank you.
[5:13:51] >> alright.
[5:13:52] >> bravo, do you need to type
[5:13:59] over there.
[5:14:00] we can get you a runner on the
[5:14:02] base.
[5:14:04] lordus you want to read for her.
[5:14:07] I'm just kidding.
[5:14:08] >> I'm fine --
[5:14:11] >> yes.
[5:14:12] >> okay.
[5:14:14] 17g.
[5:14:15] city clerk annual review.
[5:14:17] commission discussion and or
[5:14:18] action regarding the annual
[5:14:20] review and evaluation of city
[5:14:23] clerk.
[5:14:24] felicia bravo city clerk.
[5:14:33] >> good evening.
[5:14:34] it's been many years since I
[5:14:36] have been to the podium to give
[5:14:38] a presentation.
[5:14:39] I gave you all my powerpoint
[5:14:41] presentation.
[5:14:42] my powerpoint presentation
[5:14:44] describes some of my
[5:14:45] accomplishments for the year and
[5:14:46] some of the duties of the office
[5:14:48] to refamiliarize you with that.
[5:14:51] I sent you the accomplishments
[5:14:57] we had this year from october to
[5:15:00] july.
[5:15:01] would like to point out a couple
[5:15:03] of items.
[5:15:04] the election we had in
[5:15:05] november 2020, that was kind of
[5:15:07] interesting because we probably
[5:15:08] had more different election
[5:15:10] items on the 2020 election, for
[5:15:14] that cycle then we have had
[5:15:17] since I have been here.
[5:15:18] a general election, special
[5:15:19] election, we had ' referendum on
[5:15:25] three separate items.
[5:15:28] also this year we had more board
[5:15:30] applications than we have had in
[5:15:32] the past.
[5:15:33] I think for the first time we
[5:15:34] had more board applications, not
[5:15:37] just a little but tremendous
[5:15:38] amount, then ever.
[5:15:40] 170 applications.
[5:15:42] that was incredible.
[5:15:44] it covered 129 positions, that
[5:15:49] was great.
[5:15:50] the best part is we brought in
[5:15:52] 38 new people, new appointees
[5:15:54] into the fold.
[5:15:56] just to give you some
[5:15:57] perspective on that, when I
[5:15:59] started here we had 6 boards.
[5:16:02] five of those boards would of
[5:16:04] had completely new people on it
[5:16:06] with three extras to go.
[5:16:08] that is how many new people we
[5:16:10] brought in.
[5:16:11] I don't take full credit for
[5:16:13] that. I think some of those
[5:16:14] folks came under assistant
[5:16:17] deputy mayor guzman's coat
[5:16:20] tails.
[5:16:21] when we have a new elected
[5:16:23] official they tend to bring in
[5:16:24] their own people.
[5:16:27] that was great.
[5:16:28] there was great diversity.
[5:16:31] younger people, different
[5:16:32] backgrounds.
[5:16:33] anyways that's my presentation.
[5:16:36] I know it's late.
[5:16:38] thank you.
[5:16:40] it's a pleasure to work here.
[5:16:41] >> alright.
[5:16:43] commissioner scuotto.
[5:16:45] >> next time we go by seniority
[5:16:47] and time.
[5:16:48] would you of been up first.
[5:16:52] so how many years have you been
[5:16:54] with the city now?
[5:16:58] >> 20.
[5:16:59] in february, 21 years.
[5:17:01] >> so 21 years ago I sat up if
[5:17:04] my office.
[5:17:05] at the time to pick the city
[5:17:09] clerk they made us sit in our
[5:17:11] office and then all of the
[5:17:15] people apply for the city clerk
[5:17:17] job would come to our office.
[5:17:19] so the joke was when I picked
[5:17:31] felicia I said I picked the old
[5:17:37] lady.
[5:17:38] she said I'm younger than you.
[5:17:40] it was always a joke.
[5:17:41] >> now it's true.
[5:17:42] >> it was like our joke from
[5:17:46] back then.
[5:17:48] you know like I say being up
[5:17:51] here such a long time you get to
[5:17:53] know a lot of your employees
[5:17:56] poor a long period of time.
[5:17:58] you get to know their families
[5:17:59] and what not.
[5:18:01] you know it's just, you build
[5:18:05] those relationships with not
[5:18:09] just employees but when we have
[5:18:11] the picnics or we use to, you
[5:18:13] know have the dinners that we
[5:18:17] have.
[5:18:18] there is inter action and we get
[5:18:20] to see the employees with their
[5:18:22] families or we get to see the
[5:18:24] employees with their workers.
[5:18:26] on a different way and a
[5:18:27] different style.
[5:18:29] I say that because I have never
[5:18:32] seen you make a presentation
[5:18:34] before until two weeks ago at
[5:18:41] the public safety building.
[5:18:43] she did a full report.
[5:18:45] I never really seen felicia go
[5:18:49] into so much detail about her
[5:18:51] job.
[5:18:52] I say this because she says this
[5:18:59] is how she started off.
[5:19:00] I have to say this.
[5:19:02] you're a rock star in my family
[5:19:04] now.
[5:19:05] my kids.
[5:19:06] I tell them.
[5:19:07] they didn't believe me.
[5:19:09] my daughter.
[5:19:10] she says to the people as the
[5:19:14] leadership academy, I am felicia
[5:19:19] bravo the city of clerk of
[5:19:22] sunrise.
[5:19:23] she was like do you know loki.
[5:19:25] I was like, what did she say.
[5:19:28] loki is the marvel.
[5:19:32] she is relating to the residents
[5:19:35] to say loki and the thing, there
[5:19:38] is a lady who takes the minutes.
[5:19:40] her name is ms. Minutes.
[5:19:43] she went into this whole thing.
[5:19:45] when I went home to tell my
[5:19:47] kids.
[5:19:48] I was telling them about going
[5:19:55] to the city and felicia spoke.
[5:19:58] my daughter was like, my god.
[5:20:00] I say that because sometimes
[5:20:03] people don't realize what you do
[5:20:05] in your job.
[5:20:06] when you went up there if you
[5:20:08] didn't try to relate to people
[5:20:11] sometimes they wouldn't really
[5:20:15] know.
[5:20:16] even when I'm sitting there and
[5:20:22] you explain everything.
[5:20:23] the background checks and
[5:20:25] everything, people running for a
[5:20:28] board, applications, someone
[5:20:29] wanting to buy a home.
[5:20:31] you went into so much detail of
[5:20:34] what it is that your department
[5:20:36] really does.
[5:20:37] not that you are just a cost to
[5:20:41] the city commission and we file
[5:20:44] our monthly reports, campaign
[5:20:49] report or office account or
[5:20:51] whatever it is.
[5:20:52] you're another department that
[5:20:53] is involved pretty much with
[5:20:56] everyone.
[5:20:57] then even when we had a couple
[5:21:02] of meetings ago we never really
[5:21:05] had an opportunity to speak to
[5:21:06] the supervisor of elections.
[5:21:10] we had him here that day and all
[5:21:12] of the questions that we pretty
[5:21:14] much hit him with and pounded
[5:21:17] him with he didn't even know the
[5:21:21] answers to basic questions.
[5:21:25] I'm not faulting him.
[5:21:27] he was knew.
[5:21:28] I'm saying is we don't realize
[5:21:30] when we have long term
[5:21:38] institutional employees in the
[5:21:42] city how much it helps everyone
[5:21:44] else.
[5:21:45] it really does.
[5:21:48] douglas I get a kick out of it
[5:21:50] because when sometimes I get to
[5:21:52] speak or whatever.
[5:21:53] then you said the historian.
[5:21:55] I take that as a compliment
[5:21:58] because --
[5:21:59] >> it is.
[5:22:00] >> what I'm saying is when you
[5:22:02] say that some of the people may
[5:22:04] not realize what you're saying.
[5:22:08] she has been there for 20 years.
[5:22:11] you know what I'm saying.
[5:22:13] I will say for another for
[5:22:16] instance.
[5:22:17] one of her employees because she
[5:22:19] didn't have a college degree was
[5:22:21] not able to move up, forget how
[5:22:26] many years in the city.
[5:22:28] just because you don't have the
[5:22:31] education for something but you
[5:22:32] have that institutional
[5:22:34] knowledge to me sometimes it's
[5:22:37] worth more than the --
[5:22:41] (lost audio)
[5:22:47] can mean a lot of different
[5:22:57] things.
[5:22:58] it doesn't have to be religion,
[5:22:59] color, it doesn't have to be
[5:23:01] anything.
[5:23:03] it has to be, could be just
[5:23:05] because I don't have a degree
[5:23:08] yet I have done this job for 20
[5:23:10] years.
[5:23:11] you're going to tell me I can't
[5:23:12] move up.
[5:23:13] I'm just saying so you were
[5:23:16] there all the time dealing with
[5:23:18] that.
[5:23:19] knowing that you had someone who
[5:23:20] was eligible and voiced your
[5:23:23] opinions about it.
[5:23:24] that means a lot for the person
[5:23:26] sticking up for their employees.
[5:23:28] so, like I say that presentation
[5:23:33] really put it to what it is that
[5:23:35] you really do and how a wide
[5:23:39] variety it is.
[5:23:40] it's not just like I need to get
[5:23:42] this from that.
[5:23:44] it's information that you know a
[5:23:47] department head may need from
[5:23:48] something or someone.
[5:23:51] we have ten thousand boxes
[5:23:54] stored in storage right now.
[5:23:57] because that's how much we have
[5:23:58] accumulated in paper rather than
[5:24:03] with electronic.
[5:24:05] so, you know you have a lot on
[5:24:08] your plate.
[5:24:09] like you said for this election,
[5:24:13] when we use to do the elections
[5:24:15] in march that was just what it
[5:24:17] was.
[5:24:18] all cities did their elections
[5:24:20] in march.
[5:24:21] that was just what it was.
[5:24:23] because the general elections
[5:24:24] were for governor and president
[5:24:28] and stuff.
[5:24:29] then the march elections were
[5:24:33] specifically for the
[5:24:34] municipalities.
[5:24:36] then because of money and you
[5:24:37] said we would be able to save
[5:24:39] money.
[5:24:40] then when we asked that
[5:24:42] gentleman that day it was
[5:24:43] something totally different.
[5:24:44] it was good you explained it to
[5:24:50] us in a way someone without the
[5:24:52] institutional knowledge that you
[5:24:54] have would have been an easy
[5:24:57] explanation for you than for
[5:24:58] him.
[5:24:59] I applaud everything that you do
[5:25:02] in your small department.
[5:25:04] you have a limited amount of
[5:25:06] people.
[5:25:07] you know you have done a great
[5:25:10] job with the city.
[5:25:11] I continue to wish you success
[5:25:13] and give you a favorable review.
[5:25:15] >> thank you.
[5:25:16] >> you're welcome.
[5:25:17] >> commissioner douglas.
[5:25:18] >> yes.
[5:25:20] madam clerk, you know in terms
[5:25:25] of those of us who have served
[5:25:29] on boards or now elected we have
[5:25:34] all had to work with your
[5:25:35] office, in fact to guide us on
[5:25:39] how to get through the processes
[5:25:40] whether it's you know giving us
[5:25:43] election packets or qualifying
[5:25:45] us or background checks and so
[5:25:47] on, so forth.
[5:25:49] I spoke earlier about miss
[5:25:51] kisslan's monthly report.
[5:25:54] that sort of helps me to see
[5:25:58] what is going on.
[5:25:59] those prr responses are another
[5:26:04] set of reports that I never miss
[5:26:08] going through.
[5:26:09] you can kind of see some things
[5:26:10] that are going on.
[5:26:12] people are asking for things.
[5:26:14] they go let me see, why ask for
[5:26:18] that.
[5:26:19] that's another out of your
[5:26:26] office.
[5:26:27] the florida law, florida has a
[5:26:29] robust public law resulting in
[5:26:32] many people being sued for
[5:26:34] failure of timely response to, I
[5:26:37] have never seen that we have
[5:26:39] really had a challenge with
[5:26:42] that.
[5:26:43] whether it's asking the police
[5:26:45] because it's within their
[5:26:47] preview or any other department
[5:26:49] to provide you with the
[5:26:51] necessary -- so you can fulfill
[5:26:54] the requirements of the law.
[5:26:55] you work in that regard.
[5:26:57] you, you help remind us about
[5:27:02] the various reporting
[5:27:03] requirements.
[5:27:04] various training requirements
[5:27:06] keeping up with the legal
[5:27:08] obligation.
[5:27:09] so when the commission decided
[5:27:10] that we should recognize or
[5:27:14] advisory board members with a
[5:27:16] certificate of appreciation you
[5:27:21] got designs done and out as
[5:27:24] quickly as possible when they
[5:27:25] were finalized.
[5:27:27] your office is kind of like the
[5:27:30] submarine service in the
[5:27:32] military.
[5:27:33] the quiet service.
[5:27:35] which is so critical in holding
[5:27:38] it together.
[5:27:39] being the secretary to the
[5:27:40] commission as it was pointed
[5:27:42] out.
[5:27:43] being the chief elections
[5:27:44] officer.
[5:27:45] being the custodian of the seal
[5:27:49] so to speak.
[5:27:50] those are very very important
[5:27:52] rolls in governance.
[5:27:54] you know I have sought your
[5:27:56] advice probably from the time I
[5:28:00] sought office throughout,
[5:28:02] especially in the early years.
[5:28:05] so, in terms of your roll as
[5:28:10] clerk and how you have managed
[5:28:12] the roll.
[5:28:14] I can not say anything negative.
[5:28:19] you know if I have a question
[5:28:22] you either find the answer or
[5:28:25] you know, you give the answer
[5:28:27] right away or find the answer.
[5:28:29] one way or another I will get an
[5:28:31] answer.
[5:28:32] I have often not had to be with
[5:28:34] your office as much as probably
[5:28:37] say the city manager or attorney
[5:28:39] or whatever.
[5:28:40] you keep your office greased and
[5:28:42] running.
[5:28:43] you know when you have
[5:28:44] challenges they have been
[5:28:46] resolved.
[5:28:47] I truly an appreciative of your
[5:28:50] work and the city.
[5:28:53] you cheerly have institutional
[5:28:56] knowledge and knowledge about
[5:28:59] your roll and function as a city
[5:29:02] clerk.
[5:29:03] certainly recently when the
[5:29:06] issue came up as my colleague
[5:29:08] pointed out regarding the
[5:29:11] historical framework for moving
[5:29:14] the elections and basis that was
[5:29:16] grounded in cost and how much
[5:29:19] previous elections have cost and
[5:29:21] all of the different things that
[5:29:23] helped to prepare us to sandbag
[5:29:28] the new elections officer.
[5:29:31] you have, you have done a great
[5:29:35] service to the city.
[5:29:37] your years here now.
[5:29:39] in the last year even while we
[5:29:43] had covid has to be mentioned.
[5:29:45] we had covid.
[5:29:46] we did not diverse ourselves of
[5:29:50] our responsibility.
[5:29:53] we still had to respond.
[5:29:56] if there was an election taking
[5:30:00] place in the mist of covid we
[5:30:03] had to respond.
[5:30:05] call buying people.
[5:30:06] however it needed to get done,
[5:30:08] we were able to get it done.
[5:30:10] you have a pretty skeletal
[5:30:14] staff.
[5:30:15] a staff that knows their jobs.
[5:30:17] and are able to carry it out in
[5:30:20] an efficient way.
[5:30:22] obviously that is testament to
[5:30:24] your leadership.
[5:30:26] soy want to commend you on the
[5:30:27] work that you have been doing.
[5:30:33] I certainly find your job
[5:30:35] favorable.
[5:30:36] >> assistant deputy mayor
[5:30:38] guzman.
[5:30:39] >> hello I will briefly discuss
[5:30:41] my first interaction with you
[5:30:44] and then get knot part where I
[5:30:46] became assistant deputy mayor.
[5:30:50] I just, I want to point this out
[5:30:52] and I mean this in the nicest
[5:30:54] way.
[5:30:55] I don't want you to take this
[5:30:56] wrong.
[5:30:57] I want to be open with you, how
[5:30:58] I felt.
[5:31:00] as a candidate coming in,
[5:31:04] initially I didn't foal
[5:31:06] welcomed.
[5:31:10] I really felt at if -- I don't
[5:31:16] know.
[5:31:17] I don't want to say the wrong
[5:31:22] thing.
[5:31:23] my initial inter action I was
[5:31:26] disappointed woman to woman.
[5:31:28] I don't know if I was young or
[5:31:30] you didn't know who I was.
[5:31:31] I totally get it I tempt I had
[5:31:35] questions and was not
[5:31:36] comfortable asking you them
[5:31:38] initially when I was running for
[5:31:40] my campaign.
[5:31:42] up until I was the favorable
[5:31:44] candidate then I felt you were
[5:31:46] more receptive and more helpful
[5:31:48] with me.
[5:31:49] I appreciate that, at the end.
[5:31:51] now being in the position I am
[5:31:53] in, you know your team,
[5:31:56] yourself, you are always
[5:31:58] available if I need something.
[5:32:00] you provide the information.
[5:32:01] you're really good with
[5:32:03] providing documents.
[5:32:04] I appreciate that.
[5:32:06] >> if I need it right away you
[5:32:07] get it done.
[5:32:08] thank you.
[5:32:09] all I want to see is more of a
[5:32:16] personable atmosphere.
[5:32:19] I don't know if it's just me
[5:32:20] with the problem.
[5:32:22] over all I appreciate your
[5:32:24] professionalism.
[5:32:26] at the end of the day that's
[5:32:27] what matters most.
[5:32:28] you do your job and I thank you
[5:32:30] for that. That's pretty much
[5:32:32] what I have to say.
[5:32:33] thanks.
[5:32:34] >> mayor ryan.
[5:32:35] >> thank you, deputy mayor.
[5:32:37] felicia, I want to fish begin by
[5:32:40] thanking you and your staff for
[5:32:42] committing to leading the
[5:32:45] mission in all regards as my
[5:32:47] colleagues have pointed out in
[5:32:49] the face of covid.
[5:32:50] you were forced to adjust and
[5:32:53] find a way to, with your staff
[5:32:56] insure there was coverage and
[5:32:58] that everybody could get the job
[5:33:00] done even if it meant staggering
[5:33:03] days and the opportunity to work
[5:33:06] on weekends so that people were
[5:33:09] not in the office while
[5:33:11] continuing to meet the mission.
[5:33:13] as has been said not only are
[5:33:18] their cities that get sued for
[5:33:20] not timely responding there has
[5:33:23] been, we just need to admit it
[5:33:25] there has been a cottage
[5:33:26] industry of those who make
[5:33:31] public record requests hoping
[5:33:33] that either you will refuse it
[5:33:35] or be untimely.
[5:33:39] they ask for things like every
[5:33:41] cellphone number of every
[5:33:43] employer for a database that
[5:33:45] they're compiling of all city
[5:33:48] employees throughout the nation.
[5:33:49] undoubtedly they're not doing
[5:33:52] but they hope you will stumble.
[5:33:54] you have never done that.
[5:33:55] you have been able to meet all
[5:33:57] of the public record requests.
[5:33:59] those which we can question the
[5:34:06] sincerity and those that are the
[5:34:10] most fundamental with a timely
[5:34:13] response.
[5:34:14] you treat them equally.
[5:34:21] I as commissioner douglas said,
[5:34:24] I find the requests and public
[5:34:26] responses interesting.
[5:34:28] it's part of your work in being
[5:34:30] transparent.
[5:34:31] there is just no doubt that I
[5:34:33] think from a public's
[5:34:34] perspective when you call it
[5:34:37] the, I thought it was a
[5:34:39] interesting reference to the
[5:34:40] submarine force of the military,
[5:34:43] the silence.
[5:34:44] you are the one behind the
[5:34:45] scenes that you and your staff
[5:34:47] that makes sure the city runs
[5:34:52] smoothly in many respects and
[5:34:54] never gets credit.
[5:34:55] it's from making sure the
[5:34:56] advisory boards not only that
[5:34:59] the applications are available
[5:35:01] to the commission for review but
[5:35:03] that people are encourages.
[5:35:05] that you -- some situations have
[5:35:09] to be pursued.
[5:35:11] then make sure thighs are
[5:35:12] qualified candidates.
[5:35:14] with the numbers that we have
[5:35:16] seen and interests your job has
[5:35:18] become more challenging.
[5:35:21] to organize and be responsive.
[5:35:23] I appreciate that you value the
[5:35:37] advisory board.
[5:35:39] you don't view it as a necessary
[5:35:41] evil that you have to do.
[5:35:42] 2020 election didn't have
[5:36:05] challenges.
[5:36:06] your commitment to the right to
[5:36:10] vote.
[5:36:11] your engagement with the county,
[5:36:14] supervisor of elections and
[5:36:16] municipalities to make sure this
[5:36:20] goes
[5:36:22] (lost audio)
[5:36:27] the financial expense on our
[5:36:31] city and our residents.
[5:36:33] you're one of those leaders.
[5:36:35] we can tell from the e-mails
[5:36:37] through the county.
[5:36:38] you and your staff compiled
[5:36:40] information quickly.
[5:36:41] you prepared all of us to be
[5:36:44] ready for the supervisor came,
[5:36:52] have the important questions.
[5:36:53] I thank you for your comment to
[5:36:55] a professional work place, to
[5:36:58] a -- making sure we're prepared
[5:37:01] to maintaining the official
[5:37:03] record as we pointed out.
[5:37:05] being responsive to the
[5:37:07] community and it can seep at
[5:37:09] times antiseptic.
[5:37:16] your staff are there to welcome
[5:37:30] people and to do it in a
[5:37:31] professional manner.
[5:37:33] I thank you and your staff for
[5:37:35] everything.
[5:37:36] I like my colleagues
[5:37:39] wholeheartedly provide a more
[5:37:41] than favorable review.
[5:37:43] thank you.
[5:37:44] >> thank you.
[5:37:45] >> thank you, mayor.
[5:37:46] >> ms. Bravo in preparation of
[5:37:48] your performance review I spoke
[5:37:51] with you and reviewed your city
[5:37:52] clerk memorandum, annual review,
[5:37:56] and presentation annual review,
[5:37:58] and the many e-mails you send
[5:38:00] out weekly and through out the
[5:38:02] year.
[5:38:03] I find these above referenced
[5:38:05] document cheerly identify your
[5:38:09] achievements and objectives
[5:38:11] throughout the fiscal year 2021.
[5:38:14] with respect to your decision
[5:38:15] making and judgements I feel you
[5:38:17] consistently demonstrate a
[5:38:19] quality analysis -- changes
[5:38:23] within the city of sunrise
[5:38:25] organization.
[5:38:26] your guidance is instrument al
[5:38:28] to my decision making and the
[5:38:30] ultimate success of our city.
[5:38:32] with respect to personal
[5:38:34] development.
[5:38:35] I find you recruit and maintain
[5:38:37] a diverse staff, establish an
[5:38:40] effective management team, I
[5:38:42] know you in the past and
[5:38:44] consistently recognize the
[5:38:46] accomplishments made by your
[5:38:49] office and city staff.
[5:38:52] they couldn't of taken place
[5:38:53] without the input.
[5:38:54] I find you're a, you have a
[5:39:01] dedicated and talented staff in
[5:39:03] making you successful.
[5:39:07] you have demonstrated great
[5:39:09] resiliency dealing with
[5:39:12] covid-19, the specially hex,
[5:39:13] cost of elections coming up.
[5:39:16] I find that incredibly
[5:39:17] invaluable and useful tools for
[5:39:20] us in making my decision making
[5:39:22] up here.
[5:39:23] I command you on training the
[5:39:24] employees and board members
[5:39:26] alike on open meeting laws,
[5:39:28] public records act.
[5:39:30] I find your planning and
[5:39:31] organization, you work well with
[5:39:35] the commission, the city manager
[5:39:38] office for the city to achieve
[5:39:40] mission goals and financial
[5:39:42] liability.
[5:39:43] with respect to your
[5:39:44] interpersonal skills I believe
[5:39:45] you have built and continue to
[5:39:47] build respect and profile for
[5:39:49] the city of sunrise through your
[5:39:55] position.
[5:39:56] exceptional customer service and
[5:39:58] that is evident in my
[5:40:00] conversations with city staff,
[5:40:02] residents and board members.
[5:40:03] I find you work well with staff,
[5:40:05] financial committee, city
[5:40:07] manager, commission to prepare
[5:40:09] budgets, monitor progress,
[5:40:11] initiate changes in operations
[5:40:13] and order budgets as
[5:40:14] appropriate.
[5:40:16] again as I have preferenced a
[5:40:19] few moments ago I am
[5:40:21] consistently informed with
[5:40:24] e-mails, public records
[5:40:26] requests.
[5:40:27] I find them timely.
[5:40:31] in a way that gives me a thumb
[5:40:33] print of the organization.
[5:40:34] the important factors
[5:40:36] influencing it.
[5:40:38] forwarding the resolutions from
[5:40:40] other municipalities your weekly
[5:40:42] public report requests are
[5:40:44] instrumental in my decision
[5:40:46] making.
[5:40:47] I believe you provide me support
[5:40:50] for documents and public records
[5:40:52] needed.
[5:40:53] I believe you represent the city
[5:40:55] of sunrise well.
[5:40:59] with respect to administrative
[5:41:01] policies and procedures you are
[5:41:04] the official records and
[5:41:05] documents custodian.
[5:41:07] you insure they're retained and
[5:41:09] destroyed in accordance with
[5:41:11] state public records laws.
[5:41:13] I believe you insure adequate
[5:41:16] reports of financing and
[5:41:18] financial practices.
[5:41:20] I commend you maintaining the
[5:41:23] registered lobbyist disclosures
[5:41:25] for our use as my colleagues
[5:41:28] have said I am pleased to find
[5:41:30] your performance excellent for
[5:41:32] this review period.
[5:41:33] >> thank you, sir.
[5:41:34] >> unfortunately I think your
[5:41:37] different.
[5:41:38] your employment contract is
[5:41:39] different from the previous
[5:41:40] three.
[5:41:41] >> that's okay.
[5:41:42] >> reading the exert it says in
[5:41:44] exchange for her services as
[5:41:47] city clerk felicia receives the
[5:41:51] following benefits unless
[5:41:52] otherwise provided by the
[5:41:55] agreement.
[5:41:56] all provided as designated, the
[5:41:59] city's executive ordinance at
[5:42:01] the same level which they're
[5:42:03] provided as this agreement and
[5:42:06] additional benefits and
[5:42:08] increases.
[5:42:09] if the city commission approved
[5:42:11] an increase for -- then
[5:42:15] ms. Bravo should receive the
[5:42:17] increase on your anniversary
[5:42:19] date.
[5:42:20] I'm not sure --
[5:42:21] >> city manager, can you help us
[5:42:23] with that.
[5:42:24] how do we interpret that is.
[5:42:26] there a trigger point where a
[5:42:30] merit increase would be.
[5:42:32] >> yes years ago the city would
[5:42:34] annually approve the merits for
[5:42:36] each employee to be eligible.
[5:42:39] I believe back in 2011 it was a,
[5:42:43] a 715x item authorize d that
[5:42:47] moving forward.
[5:42:48] that item is approved.
[5:42:49] >> so would there be a trigger
[5:42:52] that would do what we did for
[5:42:57] the rest of the charter officers
[5:42:59] at a different point or how do
[5:43:01] we?
[5:43:02] the trigger would be a favorable
[5:43:08] review.
[5:43:09] >> in terms of -- I know
[5:43:11] ms. Bravo's contract and the
[5:43:13] trigger point.
[5:43:14] even if we didn't do a review.
[5:43:23] >> hell me clear it up.
[5:43:25] >> no review no merit.
[5:43:27] >> no if there was no review she
[5:43:31] gets a merit.
[5:43:33] >> with a review?
[5:43:35] >> she gets a merit.
[5:43:37] >> do we do it now or a double
[5:43:40] dip?
[5:43:41] >> no double dip.
[5:43:42] sorry, I didn't realize the
[5:43:44] question.
[5:43:45] I'm slow.
[5:43:48] >> okay.
[5:43:49] then we --
[5:43:50] >> she is automatically getting
[5:43:52] a merit.
[5:43:53] >> yes.
[5:43:54] >> okay.
[5:43:55] >> alright.
[5:43:56] >> agree?
[5:43:57] >> she would of receive it did
[5:43:58] on her anniversary date in
[5:44:01] february.
[5:44:02] >> she hasn't gotten it?
[5:44:04] >> she did.
[5:44:05] she should have.
[5:44:06] >> okay.
[5:44:07] we're wasting our time on her.
[5:44:11] we didn't have to review her she
[5:44:13] got it.
[5:44:14] >> it's still important it be
[5:44:15] done.
[5:44:16] >> I want to make sure the
[5:44:17] public understands.
[5:44:19] >> thank you, again, ms. Bravo.
[5:44:21] >> she has a employment range.
[5:44:24] as long as she is in the
[5:44:25] employment range she will.
[5:44:28] >> are you in the range?
[5:44:30] >> yes.
[5:44:31] >> okay, good.
[5:44:32] >> alright.
[5:44:33] thank you again ms. Bravo for
[5:44:35] presenting to us.
[5:44:36] and to the millions of people at
[5:44:40] home that are watching.
[5:44:42] >> thank you.
[5:44:43] >> thank you.
[5:44:44] >> my distinct pleasure to work
[5:44:46] with the city.
[5:44:47] I'm probably one of the biggest
[5:44:49] advocates when I leave town and
[5:44:51] go out of town, people ask me
[5:44:53] about sunrise I tell them all
[5:44:55] about it.
[5:44:56] thank you.
[5:44:57] >> no, we're not done yet.
[5:44:58] >> no commissioner, mayor
[5:45:01] reports.
[5:45:02] >> no report.
[5:45:03] >> no report.
[5:45:04] >> I will just do one report.
[5:45:07] one report that's it.
[5:45:08] out of the five I.
[5:45:12] have so, earlier we did have on
[5:45:15] the call mr. Hill with the
[5:45:16] american heart association.
[5:45:18] he was going to briefly talk
[5:45:20] about the upcoming.
[5:45:24] what they were planning to do or
[5:45:26] wanting to do in our city.
[5:45:29] I don't know if we need to have
[5:45:30] him speak on it if I can talk
[5:45:33] about it.
[5:45:34] I don't know what the protocol
[5:45:36] is.
[5:45:37] >> when is it?
[5:45:38] >> friday february 4th is
[5:45:40] national red day for women,
[5:45:42] american heart.
[5:45:43] this past year we were all
[5:45:46] wearing red supportive and had a
[5:45:48] proclamation.
[5:45:49] thank you.
[5:45:50] we were looking to possibly see
[5:45:51] about doing a fashion show here
[5:45:53] at the city.
[5:45:54] making it like an annual thing.
[5:45:56] not just any, you know fashion
[5:45:59] show.
[5:46:00] really making it a nice, you
[5:46:03] know not fund raiser but more of
[5:46:05] a gala where we're in support of
[5:46:09] awareness for the american
[5:46:11] heart.
[5:46:12] so american heart was going to
[5:46:13] come in.
[5:46:14] sawgrass would be part of it
[5:46:15] there has already been talk.
[5:46:17] I don't know if mark wants to
[5:46:18] talk about it.
[5:46:19] if you have questions --
[5:46:21] >> you're saying?
[5:46:22] >> it would be the american
[5:46:24] heart association.
[5:46:25] they're on our list for support
[5:46:27] already.
[5:46:28] so I don't know if kim wants to
[5:46:31] speak on that or if mark needs
[5:46:36] to.
[5:46:37] >> when is the event?
[5:46:38] >> friday february 4th, 2022.
[5:46:41] >> there is time.
[5:46:43] >> so they were added in terms
[5:46:44] of budget.
[5:46:45] what is required too?
[5:46:48] we do make -- allocations.
[5:46:56] there is a long list.
[5:46:58] the list is way longer than --
[5:47:01] (lost audio)
[5:47:17] >> I don't know how it works,
[5:47:19] it's more of a matter of
[5:47:21] providing the ballroom and a
[5:47:23] stage of some sort.
[5:47:24] then them getting other
[5:47:26] organizations or how ever they
[5:47:28] want to fund it.
[5:47:29] it's more of us providing a spot
[5:47:31] to host it if that makes sense.
[5:47:33] >> we can't give them the hall.
[5:47:35] otherwise everyone else would
[5:47:37] ask for the hall.
[5:47:38] >> yes.
[5:47:39] >> with government everything
[5:47:42] has to be -- we have to show
[5:47:44] it's for a public purpose.
[5:47:46] >> if they're asking us as a
[5:47:49] 501c3 when we do the budget
[5:47:56] that's one thing.
[5:47:57] if they ask for money for
[5:47:59] that --
[5:48:00] >> they're not asking for money.
[5:48:02] >> well -- I'm saying we have a
[5:48:05] contract for the ballroom.
[5:48:07] it's not our ballroom.
[5:48:08] we have a, it's totally
[5:48:12] different.
[5:48:13] >> I know --
[5:48:14] >> it is our ballroom.
[5:48:16] >> unless it's a city event.
[5:48:19] >> I don't know how, what is the
[5:48:21] best way to move forward.
[5:48:23] I know there is conversation
[5:48:25] with emily.
[5:48:26] >> city manager, is american
[5:48:29] heart on the list for people
[5:48:31] seeking money for the next cycle
[5:48:34] of charitable donations.
[5:48:36] >> I don't believe so.
[5:48:39] based on discussions I have had
[5:48:41] the request is not for money
[5:48:42] it's just for utilizing our
[5:48:44] facility for that day.
[5:48:46] >> has there been other times
[5:48:48] where we have been, how does the
[5:48:51] commission weight in for that to
[5:48:53] occur.
[5:48:54] >> would I have to get with the
[5:48:56] city attorney and see how to
[5:48:57] accomplish that.
[5:48:59] I believe it may of been done in
[5:49:01] the past.
[5:49:02] >> you have to find it's for a
[5:49:04] public purpose --
[5:49:06] >> they're selling tickets to
[5:49:07] make money for their charity.
[5:49:09] it's different.
[5:49:10] so every charity could come to
[5:49:12] us and ask us to give them a
[5:49:14] free ballroom so they can sell
[5:49:16] tickets and make money for the
[5:49:18] charity.
[5:49:19] let's let the city attorney look
[5:49:20] at it.
[5:49:21] >> what if it's a city event.
[5:49:23] >> then it's another city event.
[5:49:26] they're making money off of us.
[5:49:28] how is it a city event and they
[5:49:30] sell tickets for the event and
[5:49:32] they keep the money.
[5:49:34] it's not a city event then.
[5:49:36] >> when is the date?
[5:49:37] >> february.
[5:49:38] >> february next year.
[5:49:39] >> okay.
[5:49:40] we can the city attorney advice
[5:49:45] us this.
[5:49:46] is sufficient time.
[5:49:47] not tonight.
[5:49:50] yes, I think we have time to
[5:49:52] weight in on it.
[5:49:54] >> alright.
[5:49:55] >> thank you.
[5:49:56] >> mayor, any report?
[5:49:57] >> yes.
[5:49:59] first of all just to my
[5:50:01] colleagues.
[5:50:02] I have asked city manager's
[5:50:04] office to provide a update to
[5:50:06] each of us on the 40 year
[5:50:08] inspection report process as
[5:50:09] well as the status of reports
[5:50:12] for the years 2019, 2020, and
[5:50:16] the current year.
[5:50:17] those are forthcoming.
[5:50:18] I know a number of buildings
[5:50:20] and -- will be brought before
[5:50:24] the special magistrate in august
[5:50:26] regarding the reports.
[5:50:28] so I encourage you to look at
[5:50:30] that. You know that is a
[5:50:32] particularly hot topic right
[5:50:34] now.
[5:50:35] you may get compliance as we
[5:50:38] have historically from various
[5:50:41] associations related to the 40
[5:50:44] year inspection.
[5:50:45] I want the city manager office
[5:50:46] to provide that information so
[5:50:48] you have that.
[5:50:51] second as you know broward
[5:50:53] county is in the news as a
[5:50:55] result of being a covid hot spot
[5:50:58] if not the primary hot spot in
[5:50:59] the country.
[5:51:00] our hospital rates and icu and
[5:51:04] positivity rate sat 1% reported
[5:51:07] today.
[5:51:08] since july 25th we have had 59
[5:51:12] covid deaths in broward county.
[5:51:14] I don't remember a pace like
[5:51:16] that since the start of the
[5:51:17] pandemic.
[5:51:18] I raise it because we have here
[5:51:21] tonight shared our appreciations
[5:51:27] to our charter officers and our
[5:51:29] employees with an employee
[5:51:32] appreciations dinner scheduled
[5:51:35] the next couple of weeks.
[5:51:38] I personally feel it's ill
[5:51:41] advised for us to have a indoor
[5:51:44] gathering of hundreds of
[5:51:45] employees particularly with the
[5:51:46] fact that while we face covid
[5:51:49] and we call it covid-19 this
[5:51:52] delta variant is not last year's
[5:51:54] covid.
[5:51:55] the transmissibility, the ris
[5:52:01] stocks children that we see
[5:52:03] communicated, and the basic fact
[5:52:05] that I think is evolving and
[5:52:08] confirmed which is that even
[5:52:10] those who are vaccinated, if we
[5:52:13] have covid can transit to those
[5:52:17] that may, a, be unvaccinated or
[5:52:21] b, be vaccinated and further
[5:52:23] transmit it.
[5:52:24] I have to question whether or
[5:52:26] not mr. City manager, it's
[5:52:28] appropriate for us to provide at
[5:52:30] this time with the employee
[5:52:32] appreciations dinner.
[5:52:36] I don't want to put it off but I
[5:52:39] think we have to find other ways
[5:52:40] to do it rather than gathering a
[5:52:43] now hundred people in a in door
[5:52:44] event in light of what is going
[5:52:46] on currently.
[5:52:47] I certainly am one to looking
[5:52:52] forward to getting beyond that.
[5:52:53] would I ask the city manager
[5:52:55] what is the site manager's
[5:52:58] position regarding this employee
[5:53:00] appreciation dinner in the
[5:53:02] context of the current covid-19
[5:53:04] situation.
[5:53:05] >> city manager.
[5:53:06] >> so, coincidentally this was
[5:53:08] something I was intending to
[5:53:10] bring up under city manager's
[5:53:13] report.
[5:53:14] right now we have a little over
[5:53:16] 200 employees that have signed
[5:53:18] up for the employee appreciation
[5:53:20] dinner friday august 27th.
[5:53:27] as the mayor stated the covid
[5:53:29] rates are rising the past few
[5:53:32] months.
[5:53:33] I know the commission has
[5:53:34] provided direction in the past
[5:53:35] to me in terms of the masks
[5:53:38] requirements across the city.
[5:53:40] so I was going to solicit
[5:53:42] feedback from the commission to
[5:53:43] see what their, if they would
[5:53:46] provide me some --
[5:53:48] >> I will give you some
[5:53:50] feedback.
[5:53:51] >> wait a second.
[5:53:52] I still have the floor.
[5:53:54] thank you.
[5:53:56] I certainly have as my third
[5:53:59] item the mask requirements.
[5:54:01] go ahead city manager.
[5:54:03] >> mayor, that's is from my
[5:54:05] perspective.
[5:54:06] I'm conflicted from the position
[5:54:08] some employees are clearly
[5:54:10] interested in attending with the
[5:54:11] number of sign ups.
[5:54:14] I have concerns over all with
[5:54:16] where things are trending from
[5:54:18] my perspective.
[5:54:20] >> have you, have you
[5:54:22] established for the purposes of
[5:54:23] the dinner whether or not it's
[5:54:25] for, I'm not asking that you
[5:54:27] should, I'm asking if you have,
[5:54:30] either people should be
[5:54:32] vaccinated or mask requirement?
[5:54:35] have you --
[5:54:37] >> I think it's inappropriate to
[5:54:39] put the city manager in that
[5:54:41] position.
[5:54:42] >> excuse me I have the floor.
[5:54:44] >> you can have the floor.
[5:54:45] I don't think you should ask the
[5:54:47] city manager to make the
[5:54:49] decision on the spot.
[5:54:50] >> that may well be.
[5:54:53] I'm asking him.
[5:54:54] if I can do that without --
[5:54:56] >> you didn't come last year --
[5:54:59] >> come on it's too late.
[5:55:00] >> mayor the floor is yours.
[5:55:04] >> -- and have you considered
[5:55:06] whether to reinstitute a mask
[5:55:09] requirement in general as
[5:55:11] broward county has done for
[5:55:13] government buildings and for
[5:55:15] those in our offices?
[5:55:18] >> so regarding the employee
[5:55:21] appreciations dinner no, we have
[5:55:24] not identified that as a
[5:55:27] requirement in terms of masks.
[5:55:29] now, relating to a mask mandate
[5:55:33] across the city.
[5:55:34] we have done as an organization
[5:55:37] I think we have done a good job
[5:55:39] in communicating to our staff
[5:55:41] about recommending and strongly
[5:55:44] recommend our employees wear
[5:55:46] masks.
[5:55:47] I think our employees have done
[5:55:49] a excellent job.
[5:55:50] although there has been a few
[5:55:52] issues outside of the city hall.
[5:55:55] I think generally you know we
[5:55:57] don't have, we're not seeing
[5:55:59] significant increases in covid
[5:56:01] for our employees.
[5:56:02] I think they have done a
[5:56:04] excellent job in terms of a mask
[5:56:06] mandate.
[5:56:07] if the commission would like for
[5:56:09] us to look at that further I
[5:56:11] certainly can.
[5:56:21] >> mayor, any other comments?
[5:56:23] >> no.
[5:56:24] >> I will open it up.
[5:56:26] >> to the city manager, we
[5:56:28] understand what is going on.
[5:56:32] normally at this dinner we
[5:56:34] morally get five, six hundred.
[5:56:40] I'm saying normally we have five
[5:56:43] to six hundred.
[5:56:44] >> it varies each year.
[5:56:46] it's generally three hundred to
[5:56:48] five hundred employees.
[5:56:50] >> we're at two hundred.
[5:56:51] I'm saying, I'm just saying --
[5:56:54] you think a lot of the employees
[5:56:56] are nervous or spouses are
[5:57:01] nervous and maybe they don't
[5:57:02] want to and that's why it's --
[5:57:09] >> the question to ask is do
[5:57:15] people sign up prior to coming.
[5:57:16] >> then my next question -- do
[5:57:18] normally everybody just start
[5:57:21] saying they're going the last
[5:57:22] week.
[5:57:26] normally or not.
[5:57:27] >> yes.
[5:57:28] usually you will see a sign up
[5:57:31] also towards the late end.
[5:57:34] there is a group of employees
[5:57:36] that are concerned and won't
[5:57:37] attend because of the concerns
[5:57:45] with covid.
[5:57:46] I believe there is a group that
[5:57:47] exists.
[5:57:48] >> if we cancel do we lose, I'm
[5:57:51] not worried about the deposit.
[5:57:54] >> if we cancel we definitely
[5:57:56] will lose a significant portion
[5:57:58] of the, of the funds like 75%
[5:58:02] plus a cancellation fee.
[5:58:04] we have not been able to
[5:58:05] determine is if we postpone it
[5:58:08] or move it to another date if
[5:58:11] there is a financial implication
[5:58:13] for that.
[5:58:14] >> I'm just saying I mean --
[5:58:18] they are your employees.
[5:58:20] I'm just saying.
[5:58:22] we had a little burst in one
[5:58:24] department.
[5:58:25] we had a little burst.
[5:58:30] we know summer camp with the
[5:58:32] kids had a bust at the very end.
[5:58:35] I'm saying it's not a false hood
[5:58:44] to say it's rising again.
[5:58:45] I got vaccinated.
[5:58:47] my brother got vaccinated and he
[5:58:50] got it yes, he works in a
[5:58:52] hospital but, then my nephew did
[5:58:55] summer camp.
[5:58:56] so I'm saying is, I mean I
[5:59:00] don't -- I just don't I don't
[5:59:04] mind for myself.
[5:59:05] I don't want to put 500
[5:59:08] employees.
[5:59:09] now they work for us.
[5:59:10] work for you.
[5:59:12] is it going to put the city as
[5:59:18] far as people working and start
[5:59:22] having these spurts in all
[5:59:24] departments.
[5:59:25] that's what I worry about.
[5:59:26] individually if we were all just
[5:59:28] individuals and everyone had a
[5:59:30] different job and different
[5:59:34] business you take a shot.
[5:59:36] the same way --
[5:59:44] (lost audio)
[5:59:56] my nose works at west side
[5:59:59] regional.
[6:00:02] I'm saying it's not made up.
[6:00:06] I don't know if everyone in this
[6:00:08] has a broken arm and broken leg
[6:00:11] and corona.
[6:00:12] I don't know.
[6:00:13] I'm saying I just feel --
[6:00:19] >> here is the thing we as a
[6:00:22] commission decide d that we were
[6:00:24] not going to pursue a mask
[6:00:26] mandate earlier.
[6:00:28] things may of changed.
[6:00:29] >> it was getting better.
[6:00:31] >> I understand.
[6:00:33] >> I am saying prior to today
[6:00:35] it's unfair to expect the city
[6:00:38] manager to make a university
[6:00:40] lateral decision to implement
[6:00:42] masks.
[6:00:43] >> at 11:20.
[6:00:45] >> or for anything else without
[6:00:47] coming back to the commission.
[6:00:49] >> I think the mayor was just
[6:00:51] asking a question.
[6:00:52] >> no.
[6:00:54] >> this is the only meeting this
[6:00:56] month.
[6:00:57] >> he's not here.
[6:00:58] >> I wish someone put it on the
[6:01:00] agenda for discussion so we --
[6:01:06] the city manager has been put on
[6:01:08] the spot, what have you decided.
[6:01:10] it's impossible to say, you know
[6:01:14] staff if you want to come to
[6:01:16] this dinner you have to be
[6:01:17] vaccinated or a mask.
[6:01:19] it's outside of the city.
[6:01:21] we already put the, we put the
[6:01:27] handcuffs on it.
[6:01:28] >> that's an outside event.
[6:01:30] >> I'm not saying we have to
[6:01:32] change directions.
[6:01:33] commissioner city manager have
[6:01:35] you made a decision about
[6:01:36] wearing masks --
[6:01:38] >> I don't think.
[6:01:39] I can tell by the tone he's
[6:01:42] asking.
[6:01:43] >> the mayor has put things on
[6:01:44] the agenda tuesday morning when
[6:01:46] he wants to decide it.
[6:01:47] >> that's not the case.
[6:01:49] commissioner, look here is the
[6:01:50] reality.
[6:01:51] here is the reality.
[6:01:52] covid is rising here.
[6:01:54] not only are the hospitals
[6:01:56] cancel elective surgeries.
[6:01:59] they're concerting auditoriums
[6:02:01] to covid wings.
[6:02:03] the question I have is whether
[6:02:05] we should consider delaying the
[6:02:07] employee appreciations dinner.
[6:02:09] it's not a slight against our
[6:02:11] employees.
[6:02:12] >> that's not what you asked
[6:02:13] him.
[6:02:14] you asked him if he made the
[6:02:15] decision --
[6:02:16] [inaudible]
[6:02:17] >> we're going forward, if we go
[6:02:20] forward we need to protect our,
[6:02:22] our staff.
[6:02:24] frankly I will be straight
[6:02:25] forward.
[6:02:26] I do not believe we should go
[6:02:28] forward with the pro*er employee
[6:02:30] appreciations dinner.
[6:02:31] this is my view, should inquire
[6:02:35] if it can be pushed, whether
[6:02:36] there is a covid clause in the
[6:02:38] contract, whether there is an
[6:02:40] opportunity to delay this until
[6:02:43] another date when we're out of
[6:02:44] this covid wave.
[6:02:46] it is real.
[6:02:47] >> commissioner douglas.
[6:02:48] >> okay.
[6:02:49] so, this is the only meeting.
[6:02:54] this event is suppose to happen.
[6:02:56] how much have we deposited,
[6:02:59] mr. City manager woe would lose?
[6:03:01] >> I believe it's around
[6:03:10] $18,000.
[6:03:11] >> 75% --
[6:03:12] [inaudible]
[6:03:13] >> we see weddings and various
[6:03:19] events where people, they run a
[6:03:20] business too.
[6:03:22] to they're keeping that money.
[6:03:25] so, are we, if we're going to
[6:03:30] lose 70% -- if we show up only
[6:03:40] 50 people great.
[6:03:42] people take their masks off in
[6:03:44] restaurants.
[6:03:45] we were told vaccines -- 75% of
[6:03:48] adult americans have supposedly
[6:03:51] been vaccinated.
[6:03:52] at what point do we give people
[6:03:55] the opportunity to exercise
[6:03:57] personal responsibility.
[6:03:58] when 110% of us are vaccinated.
[6:04:02] people can choose not to go.
[6:04:04] why walk away from 70% and a
[6:04:07] cancellation fee.
[6:04:08] people should go or not go.
[6:04:10] because these same people are
[6:04:13] going to restaurants.
[6:04:15] I know the mayor is super scared
[6:04:17] of covid and what not.
[6:04:19] the mayor coming in here tonight
[6:04:21] asking the city manager has he
[6:04:23] made a decision about when to
[6:04:25] require people require -- what
[6:04:28] do you do go to the door of this
[6:04:30] place and say show me a vaccine
[6:04:34] card?
[6:04:35] that's not a good position for
[6:04:36] city manager.
[6:04:37] >> you can go on-line and have
[6:04:40] one printed out.
[6:04:42] >> that's why I'm responding
[6:04:43] this forcibly.
[6:04:45] I know the mayor is uber liberal
[6:04:47] on the issue or conservative
[6:04:49] however you look at it I'm not
[6:04:51] going to ask the city manager to
[6:04:54] make a university lateral
[6:04:56] decision.
[6:04:57] if the commission wants to
[6:04:58] direct the city manager to
[6:05:00] cancel so be it.
[6:05:03] don't put him in that position.
[6:05:06] >> commissioner scuotto.
[6:05:09] >> to me I would think
[6:05:10] ultimately you would have that
[6:05:12] choice.
[6:05:13] but like out of the five of us
[6:05:17] being your boss making you make
[6:05:20] that decision, I'm just saying
[6:05:23] then it has no ramifications
[6:05:25] against us.
[6:05:26] people are out this eating,
[6:05:32] drinking, doing everything.
[6:05:34] yes it's rising.
[6:05:36] I don't know what it is.
[6:05:44] the world can't end every time
[6:05:47] something happens.
[6:05:48] if everybody wants us to get
[6:05:51] back to normal.
[6:05:52] soy don't -- I mean it seems
[6:05:55] like.
[6:05:56] it seems to be like a never
[6:05:59] ending right now.
[6:06:01] that this is not going to just
[6:06:05] end.
[6:06:06] I mean right now it's the delta
[6:06:10] variant.
[6:06:11] in six months there will be
[6:06:12] another variant.
[6:06:13] >> alpha.
[6:06:14] >> I'm just saying.
[6:06:16] >> deputy mayor, the mayor has
[6:06:19] his hand raised as well.
[6:06:21] >> I will get him in a minute.
[6:06:23] >> do you poll the 200 people
[6:06:27] that want to come, will they
[6:06:29] come.
[6:06:30] will another 200 people come.
[6:06:33] I am not worried about losing
[6:06:36] the $20,000.
[6:06:37] nobody wants to lose that.
[6:06:40] can we bump it?
[6:06:43] is that a option?
[6:06:44] I don't want to be the one that
[6:06:45] says have this and then because
[6:06:48] a hundred of them or 50 not
[6:06:51] going are sick and then
[6:06:52] infect -- I don't know.
[6:06:57] I'm going to the league of
[6:06:59] cities.
[6:07:00] I don't know how it will be
[6:07:01] there.
[6:07:02] I feel comfortable I got the
[6:07:08] shot.
[6:07:09] >> assistant deputy mayor
[6:07:11] guzman.
[6:07:12] >> at this point those who
[6:07:14] signed up know the risk that
[6:07:15] they're taking.
[6:07:16] we know what is happening.
[6:07:20] if they sign up that's their
[6:07:24] prerogative.
[6:07:26] given the relationship with
[6:07:28] signature grain, if you push the
[6:07:31] date back I don't sew why they
[6:07:33] would penalize you for doing so.
[6:07:35] if they want to keep business
[6:07:37] they should make it work.
[6:07:38] knowing the times we're in now.
[6:07:40] >> they lose the date you
[6:07:42] picked.
[6:07:43] nobody can then of picked that
[6:07:44] date.
[6:07:45] >> I'm sure there is a way to
[6:07:48] work it out.
[6:07:49] business is business.
[6:07:50] >> someone closes down my
[6:07:52] restaurant friday night when I
[6:07:54] can make money.
[6:07:55] then they say I'm canceling but
[6:07:58] my dor was shut, it's a
[6:07:59] inconvenience.
[6:08:01] >> you have lost supplies, you
[6:08:03] have people, you have other
[6:08:05] contracts.
[6:08:06] >> yes.
[6:08:07] someone else could of balked the
[6:08:08] day.
[6:08:09] I'm not faulting them.
[6:08:10] they don't have anything to do
[6:08:12] with it.
[6:08:13] I don't know if you want to make
[6:08:14] it through us or if you're going
[6:08:18] to make that decision.
[6:08:19] >> one second.
[6:08:20] mayor ryan.
[6:08:21] >> you had a 2.5% raise, you got
[6:08:24] your evaluation.
[6:08:26] you want to be paid the big
[6:08:27] bucks, big boss, you make the
[6:08:30] decisions.
[6:08:31] >> mayor ryan.
[6:08:32] >> I had answer to the people --
[6:08:34] >> first of all I believe it's a
[6:08:36] decision reserved to the city
[6:08:40] manager.
[6:08:41] he is making a decision what he
[6:08:43] will do with his employees.
[6:08:44] we can be upset.
[6:08:46] we can reevaluate him this.
[6:08:49] is a decision he makes for the
[6:08:51] ultimate mission to make sure
[6:08:52] everyone is safe irrespective of
[6:08:55] personal choices.
[6:08:56] second, the vaccine is not a
[6:08:59] panacea.
[6:09:00] by definition 1-5% of those
[6:09:03] receiving pfizer will get sick
[6:09:07] and die.
[6:09:08] a percentage of those who could
[6:09:09] of been saved will not be.
[6:09:11] moreover the data now is
[6:09:13] evolving those who are
[6:09:15] vaccinated can transmit.
[6:09:17] we have at least one officer in
[6:09:18] the hospital right now.
[6:09:28] (lost audio)
[6:09:38] not have an employee appreciate
[6:09:41] dinner reaching as many people
[6:09:43] as possible.
[6:09:44] the fact only two hundred have
[6:09:46] signed up now after covid, all I
[6:09:49] suggest is to have city staff to
[6:09:51] look see if they can push the
[6:09:53] date.
[6:09:55] jazz fest has been moved to
[6:09:56] november.
[6:09:57] there are all sorts of things
[6:09:58] canceled and moved because of
[6:10:00] covid.
[6:10:01] there are employees who have
[6:10:03] talked to me who don't feel
[6:10:05] comfortable going because of
[6:10:06] this.
[6:10:07] I certainly don't wand to find
[6:10:08] out afterwards that there was a
[6:10:11] spread because of this.
[6:10:12] for just an appreciation dinner.
[6:10:15] I know we appreciate our
[6:10:16] employees.
[6:10:17] everyone up here sincerely feels
[6:10:19] the same way.
[6:10:20] we feel strongly about our
[6:10:22] employees.
[6:10:23] I wonder if this is the best
[6:10:24] idea in light of the current
[6:10:26] data. That's all I will say.
[6:10:27] whatever decision the commission
[6:10:29] makes and directs that's fine.
[6:10:32] I believe it's reserved to the
[6:10:34] city manager.
[6:10:35] >> firstly, I want to make a
[6:10:37] point about that.
[6:10:38] >> commissioner douglas go
[6:10:39] ahead.
[6:10:40] >> the staff city -- this only
[6:10:51] limitation we have as a
[6:10:53] commission is we can't dictate
[6:10:55] who the city manager hires or
[6:10:57] fires.
[6:10:58] I don't want this to be a issue
[6:11:01] about whether there are staff or
[6:11:03] city manager staff or direct
[6:11:05] them on a day to day basis.
[6:11:08] this is not about that.
[6:11:10] if there is a decision,
[6:11:11] especially when we have lifted
[6:11:13] the mask mandate, we haven't
[6:11:15] changed that officially yet.
[6:11:17] as to whether it should be in
[6:11:19] place or not is not the
[6:11:20] question.
[6:11:21] we have said to him we're not
[6:11:24] going -- before he chose not to
[6:11:29] proceed.
[6:11:30] on this very narrow issue will
[6:11:32] we say, mr. City manager, it's
[6:11:35] your decision to tell the staff.
[6:11:38] an event outside of the city,
[6:11:40] that you can't come unless you
[6:11:41] wear a mask.
[6:11:42] it's in consistent with what the
[6:11:45] commission has said.
[6:11:46] how do we tell them it's now his
[6:11:48] decision.
[6:11:49] no, it's not his decision to
[6:11:51] make.
[6:11:52] if this commission wants to be
[6:11:53] bold and say, mr. City manager,
[6:11:59] cancel the event.
[6:12:00] then do that.
[6:12:01] don't kick the ball into his lap
[6:12:03] and say it's yours.
[6:12:05] now the staff will be mad at
[6:12:06] him.
[6:12:08] that he is cherrypicking mask
[6:12:11] mandates.
[6:12:12] worst suggestion that we should
[6:12:14] make it mandatory or you should
[6:12:16] of considered whether vaccine is
[6:12:18] a basis coming in.
[6:12:20] that's inconsistent with the
[6:12:22] mayor saying vaccination doesn't
[6:12:25] stop -- medical science says it.
[6:12:27] one hand he says should we have
[6:12:29] them vaccinated to come.
[6:12:31] at the same time he is saying oh
[6:12:33] vaccine doesn't stop people from
[6:12:35] being infected.
[6:12:37] we know that to be true.
[6:12:39] vaccine doesn't stop someone
[6:12:41] from having a pathogen and
[6:12:48] shedding it.
[6:12:50] months ago I heard we have to
[6:12:52] hold on, we have to hold on.
[6:12:55] now they say 75% of the
[6:12:57] population.
[6:12:58] now I hear vaccine does not stop
[6:13:00] the issue.
[6:13:01] do we live in this world forever
[6:13:03] more?
[6:13:04] even with a hundred percent of
[6:13:05] the people vaccinated.
[6:13:06] where do we stop?
[6:13:08] I don't know.
[6:13:10] yo think you should take that
[6:13:12] decision on your self, mr. City
[6:13:15] manager.
[6:13:16] I think you should ask your
[6:13:17] bosses for a firm directive.
[6:13:19] >> I will weight.
[6:13:21] in.
[6:13:22] >> -- postpone.
[6:13:23] >> I will weight in really
[6:13:24] quick.
[6:13:25] >> I am not voting to postpone.
[6:13:27] people may not attend if they
[6:13:29] want, the mayor doesn't have to
[6:13:31] a continued, unlikely to attend
[6:13:34] anyways.
[6:13:35] >> I would be supportive of
[6:13:37] postponing it.
[6:13:38] just based on the recent data
[6:13:41] that I have seen and witnessed.
[6:13:44] I would rather air on the side
[6:13:46] of caution then be wrong.
[6:13:49] I would like to recoup as much
[6:13:52] as we can family.
[6:13:54] I don't want to cancel it I
[6:13:59] would rather see if we can move
[6:14:02] it.
[6:14:03] that is my direction or opinion
[6:14:04] on the matter to consider.
[6:14:05] >> deputy mayor.
[6:14:07] the mayor has his hand raised
[6:14:09] again.
[6:14:10] >> sure.
[6:14:11] I will support your decision.
[6:14:13] for me I'm fine with moving it.
[6:14:15] I don't see anything wrong with
[6:14:17] airing on the side of caution.
[6:14:19] that is my side.
[6:14:20] mayor ryan.
[6:14:21] >> well first I do believe it's
[6:14:26] up to mr. Lubelski to decide to
[6:14:37] postponing it.
[6:14:38] I would move for him tonight to
[6:14:40] postpone the appreciations
[6:14:44] dinner.
[6:14:45] separately I would like to
[6:14:46] discuss whether there should be
[6:14:48] a mask mandate in the buildings
[6:14:49] in light of the cdc
[6:14:51] recommendations and what has
[6:14:53] evolved mask mandates including
[6:14:56] the broward county school board.
[6:14:58] at the same time I would applaud
[6:15:00] their courage today to vote for
[6:15:02] a mask mandate notwithstanding
[6:15:05] the threats of the governor to
[6:15:06] eliminate funding or stop their
[6:15:08] own salaries.
[6:15:10] first the employee appreciation
[6:15:16] dinner, I would move, I would
[6:15:19] move to postpone it I am happy
[6:15:22] to debate whether I'm consistent
[6:15:25] or not consistent about
[6:15:27] vaccines.
[6:15:28] I don't think that's a relevant
[6:15:30] issue.
[6:15:31] >> there is a motion by mayor
[6:15:32] ryan to move at employee
[6:15:35] appreciations dinner.
[6:15:36] is there a second?
[6:15:37] >> I will second it.
[6:15:38] >> second by commissioner
[6:15:41] scuotto.
[6:15:44] call a question on this.
[6:15:45] >> I wonder what is ms. Guzman.
[6:15:49] we're discussing it.
[6:15:51] we would rather know we will
[6:15:53] make the decision or we make the
[6:15:56] decision to give it to
[6:15:57] mr. Lubelski.
[6:16:00] I mean --
[6:16:01] >> I think the mayor has made a
[6:16:04] motion to direct the city
[6:16:05] manager to postpone the employee
[6:16:07] appreciations dinner.
[6:16:09] I think that's the motion if I'm
[6:16:11] correct.
[6:16:12] is that correct, mayor?
[6:16:14] >> yes, sir.
[6:16:16] >> okay.
[6:16:17] so discussion on the motion.
[6:16:18] that's all.
[6:16:19] >> discussion on the motion.
[6:16:20] >> so.
[6:16:23] >> assistant department utility
[6:16:25] mayor guzman.
[6:16:27] >> do you feel confident making
[6:16:29] that decision to the staff.
[6:16:30] how do you feel about it?
[6:16:32] >> as city manager I caution to
[6:16:35] you take that into your lap.
[6:16:37] >> I brought this back to the
[6:16:38] commission.
[6:16:39] I intended to bring it up during
[6:16:41] my report because of the
[6:16:42] previous direction regarding
[6:16:44] masks to get their feedback.
[6:16:49] >> you're asking us for
[6:16:50] feedback.
[6:16:51] >> yes.
[6:16:52] >> that's your answer now.
[6:16:53] >> yes, I prefer feed back.
[6:16:55] >> would you feel comfortable.
[6:16:57] I'm standing because I have been
[6:16:58] sitting for six hours.
[6:17:00] I'm not standing to be over
[6:17:01] powering or anything.
[6:17:04] so, would you feel -- I'm just
[6:17:08] asking.
[6:17:09] would you feel comfortable if we
[6:17:10] postpone it to give maybe this
[6:17:12] would go down.
[6:17:14] I'm just -- I'm just asking in
[6:17:16] general.
[6:17:17] >> I think we should make a
[6:17:19] decision.
[6:17:20] give him the direction.
[6:17:21] if he does it he's doing
[6:17:22] something inconsistent with
[6:17:24] previous decision that's we have
[6:17:26] made.
[6:17:27] >> but see I will tell you, we
[6:17:29] were all here that day.
[6:17:31] he wanted us to have masks
[6:17:33] mandated in the building.
[6:17:35] we told him, we over ruled him.
[6:17:38] but the people in this building
[6:17:41] probably 90% of them wear a
[6:17:43] mask.
[6:17:44] where as if you go to the public
[6:17:46] safety building 20% of the
[6:17:54] people wear a mask there.
[6:17:56] is a big difference of someone
[6:17:57] listening, observing, or doing
[6:18:00] the right thing for themselves
[6:18:02] or others doing what they want.
[6:18:04] >> so, I mean -- I just say that
[6:18:10] if we have always gotten five
[6:18:12] hundred people and now we have
[6:18:14] two hundred obviously a lot of
[6:18:17] people are think ing about it.
[6:18:20] okay.
[6:18:21] that's all I'm saying.
[6:18:22] a lot of people think about it.
[6:18:24] we're 350 less.
[6:18:26] I'm not saying the 200 that want
[6:18:30] to go don't care.
[6:18:31] they're just willing to get g.
[6:18:33] out and enjoy themselves.
[6:18:35] they figure it won't happen or
[6:18:36] affect them.
[6:18:37] I just -- I'm good for myself.
[6:18:41] I accept what I do.
[6:18:46] it's tough to make a decision
[6:18:48] about someone else's life by
[6:18:50] putting them all in a room for a
[6:18:52] party.
[6:18:55] I don't want that to be on me.
[6:18:58] I'm not saying for to you make
[6:19:03] the decision.
[6:19:04] if you're asking.
[6:19:09] you say we should make the
[6:19:10] decision and not mark, then I'm
[6:19:13] making the decision to say --
[6:19:17] >> then call the question.
[6:19:18] >> alright.
[6:19:19] this is early.
[6:19:20] >> hold on.
[6:19:22] anymore comment?
[6:19:24] anyone, colleagues have more
[6:19:26] comments?
[6:19:27] >> same just asking the city
[6:19:29] manager, do you feel
[6:19:30] uncomfortable if you now have to
[6:19:33] tell the 200 people that we're
[6:19:36] not going.
[6:19:37] do you think we will get massive
[6:19:40] backlash and people going out of
[6:19:43] their mind or say alright I
[6:19:46] understand covid got a little
[6:19:48] kicked up.
[6:19:49] I don't mind waiting.
[6:19:50] I just --
[6:19:52] >> I think generally our
[6:19:55] employees are understanding.
[6:19:56] they will understand either
[6:19:58] direction of the commission.
[6:19:59] >> okay.
[6:20:00] >> then I make a motion.
[6:20:01] I second the motion about the
[6:20:03] mayor said about postponing.
[6:20:05] (lost audio)
[6:20:20] >> anyone on the phone to make a
[6:20:23] comment regarding the city
[6:20:24] commission's motion to postpone
[6:20:28] the employee appreciations
[6:20:30] dinner.
[6:20:31] >> calling in?
[6:20:32] >> anyone out there wanting
[6:20:34] public comments.
[6:20:35] alright I will close public
[6:20:36] hearing.
[6:20:37] we can call the question then.
[6:20:38] >> deputy mayor.
[6:20:41] >> yes,.
[6:20:42] >> what --
[6:20:44] >> the motion is to postpone the
[6:20:50] employee appreciations din for a
[6:20:55] later date.
[6:20:56] nothing to do with masks at this
[6:20:58] point.
[6:20:59] this is a motion to postpone the
[6:21:00] employee appreciation dinner.
[6:21:03] call the question.
[6:21:06] >> deputy mayor.
[6:21:07] >> yes,.
[6:21:08] >> commissioner scuotto.
[6:21:11] >> yes.
[6:21:12] >> commissioner douglas.
[6:21:14] >> no.
[6:21:15] >> assistant deputy mayor.
[6:21:17] >> no.
[6:21:18] >> mayor.
[6:21:19] >> yes.
[6:21:20] >> motion caries 3-2 to
[6:21:21] postpone.
[6:21:22] >> the mayor want to discuss a
[6:21:25] mask mandate he can call a
[6:21:28] special meeting.
[6:21:29] >> I'm prepared to discuss it
[6:21:31] tonight if you want to call a
[6:21:34] special meeting I'm happy to do
[6:21:36] that as well.
[6:21:37] I will get with kim.
[6:21:38] I don't think we have weeks to
[6:21:40] make the decision in light of
[6:21:41] the fact that broward county has
[6:21:43] issued a mask mandate in
[6:21:45] government buildings, the cdc
[6:21:49] recommend people wear masks.
[6:21:52] we are seeing a broad
[6:21:53] recommendation for those
[6:21:55] vaccinated should wear masks.
[6:21:58] we have implemented in my law
[6:21:59] everyone wearing a mask whether
[6:22:01] vaccinated or not.
[6:22:03] I don't believe there should be
[6:22:05] a lesser standard in the
[6:22:06] government buildings.
[6:22:07] I'm prepared to discuss it.
[6:22:09] if the will of the commission is
[6:22:11] to hold this for a special
[6:22:13] meeting to be called I will work
[6:22:14] with the city clerk and city
[6:22:16] attorney office to call a
[6:22:17] special meeting.
[6:22:18] >> I would say if the city
[6:22:21] manager wants to send an e-mail
[6:22:23] to all employees or if the chief
[6:22:25] of police wants to send a letter
[6:22:27] to awful his employees, not
[6:22:31] directing a mandate, offering it
[6:22:35] as just a information whatever
[6:22:40] that has just been said by the
[6:22:42] mayor.
[6:22:43] that the cdc, the county, and
[6:22:47] all of those -- I'm saying as a
[6:22:50] informational.
[6:22:51] >> I agree with you.
[6:22:53] there comes a point we have to
[6:22:55] move away from directing people
[6:22:57] they have to.
[6:22:58] >> can we ask the employees.
[6:23:00] can we find out what the
[6:23:02] employees feel?
[6:23:04] what the majority is.
[6:23:05] >> no public health policy is
[6:23:08] not based on whether people want
[6:23:10] to wear a mask.
[6:23:11] it's whether to protect them.
[6:23:13] that's our obligation.
[6:23:14] I understand it's difficult if
[6:23:17] people want to move to personal
[6:23:18] responsibility.
[6:23:19] we also have a obligation to our
[6:23:21] staff and the public.
[6:23:23] I think we need to address the
[6:23:25] mask mandate --
[6:23:27] [inaudible]
[6:23:28] >> hold on.
[6:23:29] >> point of order.
[6:23:31] I don't want to recess at 11:45.
[6:23:34] >> sorry.
[6:23:36] >> I don't want to recess until
[6:23:37] we can come back to order.
[6:23:40] everyone is talking at the same
[6:23:42] time.
[6:23:43] >> my apology.
[6:23:44] all I'm saying is --
[6:23:46] >> getting talked over.
[6:23:47] go ahead.
[6:23:48] >> hold on.
[6:23:51] let's take a breather.
[6:23:52] one person at a time.
[6:23:54] mayor ryan, you have the floor.
[6:23:56] then commissioner douglas will
[6:23:57] have the floor.
[6:23:58] mayor ryan, go ahead.
[6:24:00] >> I was not in favor of
[6:24:05] reducing the mask mandate.
[6:24:07] mark was in support the time the
[6:24:09] commission directed him
[6:24:11] otherwise.
[6:24:12] I understand the data is where
[6:24:14] it was then.
[6:24:15] what we are facing today is not
[6:24:17] last year's covid.
[6:24:19] it's a delta variant.
[6:24:20] would I love to move beyond
[6:24:22] this.
[6:24:23] perm responsibility is not a
[6:24:24] public health policy no matter
[6:24:27] what the state leaders say.
[6:24:29] we have an obligation that the
[6:24:31] county, cdc and local businesses
[6:24:34] are doing to protect our
[6:24:36] employees and visitors.
[6:24:37] I believe we should institute a
[6:24:39] mask mandate in the government
[6:24:42] buildings as has been done this.
[6:24:45] is not novel.
[6:24:47] the city manager has the
[6:24:49] authority on his own, without
[6:24:51] direction from the city
[6:24:52] commission to do that.
[6:24:53] it should remain.
[6:24:54] I am moving for a mask mandate
[6:24:56] in our buildings for the public
[6:24:59] and for our staff.
[6:25:02] you can move aside the issue of
[6:25:05] consequences for it and all of
[6:25:06] the issues about discipline we
[6:25:08] should issue the mask mandate.
[6:25:11] >> first of all this is not just
[6:25:13] about staff this.
[6:25:14] is about the public and the
[6:25:16] public's ability.
[6:25:17] I have seen the public.
[6:25:18] the day after we lifted the mask
[6:25:21] mandate --
[6:25:23] (lost audio)
[6:25:39] - they came with their mask.
[6:25:41] when they realized there was no
[6:25:43] mandate -- these people made
[6:25:46] personal choices in this rom
[6:25:48] tonight we have personal choices
[6:25:49] being made.
[6:25:50] assistant deputy mayor has a
[6:25:53] mask on.
[6:25:55] other have masks on, I see
[6:25:58] police officers that do and some
[6:25:59] don't.
[6:26:00] personal choice.
[6:26:01] at what point if it's up to the
[6:26:03] mayor we would live in a chamber
[6:26:06] for the next five years.
[6:26:07] that's his view on this thing.
[6:26:09] the end of the day is it going
[6:26:10] to be a new vaccine, a triple
[6:26:15] vaccine, what is -- what is
[6:26:17] going to be the point at which
[6:26:20] we decide that people now get
[6:26:23] to -- we don't live in russia or
[6:26:26] china. You talk about we should
[6:26:31] put mandates on people because
[6:26:33] they're not responsible enough
[6:26:36] to take personal responsibility.
[6:26:38] that we need, we can't give them
[6:26:40] the choice.
[6:26:41] we need to impose it on them.
[6:26:43] that's what I'm hearing.
[6:26:45] they're to immature to make
[6:26:47] their own choices whether to
[6:26:48] wear a mask or not.
[6:26:50] we have to mandate it on them.
[6:26:52] I don't agree with that.
[6:26:53] this is america that. Is the
[6:26:55] american way.
[6:26:56] people can make that decision.
[6:26:58] officer 75% and in fact 75% is
[6:27:03] above the threshold that
[6:27:05] supposedly will give us herd
[6:27:07] immunity.
[6:27:10] after 75% we're still hearing
[6:27:12] oh, it's not going to be the
[6:27:14] vaccine.
[6:27:15] what will it be?
[6:27:17] cheri pie?
[6:27:19] so, anyways mr. City manager f
[6:27:22] you think you have the ability
[6:27:24] to make that decision on your
[6:27:25] own please go ahead.
[6:27:28] I don't agree that the city
[6:27:30] manager should be given that
[6:27:31] responsibility we should take it
[6:27:33] on.
[6:27:34] we're the ones people elected.
[6:27:35] if we're making, if people are
[6:27:38] listening to me now in four
[6:27:40] years they can say that douglas
[6:27:42] didn't do enough to protect our
[6:27:43] community.
[6:27:44] we are voting him out.
[6:27:46] they didn't elect the city
[6:27:48] manager.
[6:27:49] let's us take the heat for it.
[6:27:51] >> there is a motion pending.
[6:27:52] >> commissioner scuotto.
[6:27:55] >> he's in the building working
[6:27:58] every day, we're not.
[6:27:59] if he feels 300 people are in
[6:28:03] the building, 200 are vaccinated
[6:28:05] and 100 are not.
[6:28:07] if he wants to protect -- wait.
[6:28:11] >> -- this mask mandate is for
[6:28:13] the public also.
[6:28:14] it's not just staff.
[6:28:16] when there is a mask mandate the
[6:28:18] public has to do the same.
[6:28:20] >> -- they're working in the
[6:28:22] building.
[6:28:23] he wants to feel comfortable
[6:28:24] with the people.
[6:28:25] >> are you suggesting we have a
[6:28:27] mandate for staff but the public
[6:28:28] gets to choose what they want to
[6:28:30] do.
[6:28:31] >> we will get back to the same
[6:28:32] thing that happened in the
[6:28:33] beginning.
[6:28:34] we were the first cities to shut
[6:28:36] down because the county didn't
[6:28:38] want to shut down.
[6:28:39] the county wanted to open we
[6:28:42] were the last to open.
[6:28:43] it will start again.
[6:28:45] whether we're together as 31
[6:28:47] municipalities or everyone does
[6:28:49] their own thing.
[6:28:51] that's the problem we can't
[6:28:53] agree on everything.
[6:28:54] everyone does their own thing.
[6:28:56] >> this isn't just about staff.
[6:28:57] when we have a city wide mandate
[6:29:00] it affects the public using the
[6:29:02] building.
[6:29:03] are we prepared to tell the
[6:29:04] public they now have to come
[6:29:06] here wearing a mask.
[6:29:08] the city manager, when this came
[6:29:12] up the city manager said I have
[6:29:14] the authority to deal with my
[6:29:16] staff.
[6:29:17] I want to hear from the
[6:29:18] commission about imposing it for
[6:29:19] the public.
[6:29:21] >> those behind the public
[6:29:22] service counter have a mask.
[6:29:24] now the residents come up to
[6:29:26] them with no mask.
[6:29:28] I'm saying maybe our employees
[6:29:30] are not feeling comfortable.
[6:29:32] >> let's call a spade a spade.
[6:29:35] a virus is so tiny you can't see
[6:29:37] it with a micro scope.
[6:29:41] you have to use a special micro
[6:29:44] scope.
[6:29:45] do you think the masks protect
[6:29:46] us?
[6:29:47] >> no.
[6:29:48] >> this is false safety.
[6:29:49] the virus flies through that.
[6:29:52] we're all wrapped up in a mask.
[6:29:55] who has one on that side and
[6:29:57] this side.
[6:29:58] it's false security.
[6:30:00] we, we probably have all taken
[6:30:02] basic science and know that
[6:30:04] viruses are smaller than
[6:30:06] bacterias.
[6:30:08] you can't see it with a regular
[6:30:10] micro scope.
[6:30:11] what makes us think a cloth mask
[6:30:15] or these things we put on
[6:30:17] protect us?
[6:30:18] then it's not the vaccine.
[6:30:19] if we can't be protected --
[6:30:22] >> mayor ryan, I would say to
[6:30:23] end this, I would leave it to
[6:30:28] the two chiefs in the back of
[6:30:30] the room for what they want to
[6:30:31] do in their building.
[6:30:34] city manager you have whatever
[6:30:36] right in your building until
[6:30:38] someone calls a special meeting
[6:30:40] and puts it on the agenda and
[6:30:42] we're going to do a vote.
[6:30:44] would I just say you have
[6:30:47] whatever information that just
[6:30:49] came out today from cdc, the
[6:30:52] county, the school board,
[6:30:55] whatever.
[6:30:56] put your sign up in the window
[6:30:57] if you feel and the same with
[6:30:59] the two chiefs to do the same.
[6:31:01] that if they feel comfortable
[6:31:03] saying due to these times until
[6:31:07] we figure out if we're doing a
[6:31:09] mask mandate but if we can't
[6:31:12] come to an agreement tonight to
[6:31:15] do a mandate or whatever then I
[6:31:18] would just leave it to you as
[6:31:19] the person of this building and
[6:31:22] then -- not only for this
[6:31:26] building and every other
[6:31:27] municipality building that other
[6:31:29] people are at.
[6:31:30] leisure services or whatever.
[6:31:33] for now until we can have a
[6:31:35] special meeting.
[6:31:36] to figure out what it is.
[6:31:40] >> commissioner scuotto, I
[6:31:43] appreciate that.
[6:31:44] thank you for that suggestion.
[6:31:46] I want to be, I want to be
[6:31:49] clear.
[6:31:50] my request for a mask mandate is
[6:31:52] not unamerican.
[6:31:53] this is not me wanting to be
[6:31:56] russia.
[6:31:57] it's not unpatriotic to request
[6:31:59] a mask mandate.
[6:32:01] the suggestion of that is
[6:32:03] hyperbole at best and offensive
[6:32:07] at worst.
[6:32:08] I understand --
[6:32:10] >> what I said your principle of
[6:32:13] imposing on people because you
[6:32:15] think --
[6:32:16] >> you're interrupting.
[6:32:17] >> -- that's the portion.
[6:32:20] [inaudible]
[6:32:21] >> alright.
[6:32:23] please.
[6:32:24] >> that again --
[6:32:25] >> hold on.
[6:32:26] the mayor has the floor.
[6:32:27] >> mayor ryan, we don't go
[6:32:29] around and around.
[6:32:30] >> mr. Scuotto, the mayor has
[6:32:34] the floor.
[6:32:35] I will recognize you next.
[6:32:36] mayor ryan.
[6:32:37] >> that proves my point.
[6:32:38] that is what is consuming the
[6:32:40] nation and our state.
[6:32:42] I am requesting this mask
[6:32:45] mandate not because I'm
[6:32:46] unamerican or I want to dictate.
[6:32:49] these are the same arguments
[6:32:51] made in 1918 pandemic, and the
[6:32:54] people who said no this isn't
[6:32:56] what we should do.
[6:32:57] it turns out we haven't
[6:32:59] progressed in a hundred years in
[6:33:02] that regard.
[6:33:03] based on what the school board
[6:33:04] has done, county, cdc, local
[6:33:07] businesses are doing what we
[6:33:10] should do to protect the mission
[6:33:11] is very basic.
[6:33:13] it's a request and mandate a
[6:33:15] mask be worn.
[6:33:16] we can address the issues what
[6:33:18] happens if it isn't.
[6:33:20] our job is to protect employees.
[6:33:25] I believe mark has the
[6:33:26] responsibility and obligation
[6:33:28] and authority.
[6:33:29] I will admit it is difficult for
[6:33:31] the city manager.
[6:33:33] when we leave here tonight if
[6:33:35] one or more of us are in
[6:33:38] disagreement with mark decides
[6:33:39] he will get an earful.
[6:33:42] he will get grief in all sorts
[6:33:44] of ways.
[6:33:45] so, this is the problem of
[6:33:46] simply saying give it to mark to
[6:33:49] make a decision.
[6:33:51] I think that's a fare point if
[6:33:52] we can agree he has the
[6:33:54] authority to do it without
[6:33:56] interference.
[6:33:57] I believe we should mandate as
[6:33:59] has been done in other cities
[6:34:01] and counties.
[6:34:02] that's my motion.
[6:34:03] >> alright.
[6:34:04] so I have one more comment, mr.
[6:34:08] the mayor is a very smart man.
[6:34:10] I had give that to him.
[6:34:20] (lost audio)
[6:34:30] or yesterday or last friday.
[6:34:32] it has been rising record
[6:34:34] numbers since last week.
[6:34:37] clearly it was a concern for the
[6:34:39] mayor.
[6:34:40] the mayor would have had this
[6:34:42] notion that I want to bring to
[6:34:44] this commission that we should
[6:34:46] change directions.
[6:34:47] which is fine.
[6:34:48] if you're not prepared to change
[6:34:50] your mind on something you
[6:34:51] shouldn't govern.
[6:34:54] you will ambush this evening
[6:34:55] without putting it on.
[6:34:57] then expect just for us to just
[6:35:00] vote because we're under
[6:35:01] pressure.
[6:35:02] no, you could of put it on.
[6:35:03] you put on many things the day
[6:35:05] of a commission meeting.
[6:35:07] yellow sheets and all.
[6:35:08] then you make it look like, oh
[6:35:10] you phis are not looking to
[6:35:12] protect staff.
[6:35:13] you could of put it on.
[6:35:14] you know what you did.
[6:35:15] you wanted to back us in the
[6:35:17] corner today.
[6:35:18] I'm not going to make that
[6:35:20] pressure make me make that
[6:35:22] decision.
[6:35:23] >> I would say.
[6:35:25] >> scuotto.
[6:35:28] >> -- we don't even have to
[6:35:32] direct.
[6:35:33] you can hear what we're saying.
[6:35:34] call a special meeting.
[6:35:37] I'm not going to be here for the
[6:35:39] rest of the week.
[6:35:40] so --
[6:35:41] >> it's the mayor's job to call
[6:35:43] a special meeting or the thee of
[6:35:46] us request it.
[6:35:47] >> hold on.
[6:35:48] taking order of this.
[6:35:49] I would like to comment
[6:35:50] sometime.
[6:35:51] you guys just keep going.
[6:35:54] >> okay.
[6:35:55] I'm standing here --
[6:35:57] >> sorry. Do you have comments?
[6:35:59] >> no.
[6:36:00] >> I'm not prepared to make a
[6:36:06] vote on a mask mandate this
[6:36:08] evening.
[6:36:09] I don't know the legal
[6:36:10] repercussions or what will
[6:36:11] happen.
[6:36:12] I want to talk with kim, speak
[6:36:14] with the city manager.
[6:36:16] that's my position.
[6:36:17] I'm in position of having a
[6:36:19] special meeting when the mayor
[6:36:20] calls that.
[6:36:21] I'm not in a position to vote on
[6:36:25] a mask mandate this evening.
[6:36:27] not saying I won't vote next
[6:36:29] week.
[6:36:30] I'm not in this position.
[6:36:32] for point of order mayor ryan
[6:36:33] has made a motion.
[6:36:39] do I open this to public comment
[6:36:41] with a motion.
[6:36:42] >> I don't think I heard a
[6:36:44] second.
[6:36:45] >> alright.
[6:36:46] is from a second on that motion?
[6:36:50] is there a second on the motion?
[6:36:52] hearing no second the motion
[6:36:54] fails.
[6:36:55] >> motion to adjourn.
[6:36:57] >> hold on we have a couple of
[6:36:59] items.
[6:37:00] >> .
[6:37:01] what.
[6:37:02] >> there is city manager report.
[6:37:03] first of all my report.
[6:37:05] I wave.
[6:37:06] city manager report.
[6:37:07] >> no report.
[6:37:08] >> thank you.
[6:37:09] >> city clerk report.
[6:37:10] >> no report.
[6:37:12] >> city attorney report.
[6:37:13] >> I won't give a report, thank
[6:37:15] you.
[6:37:16] >> is there any other business
[6:37:19] on tonight's agenda or a motion.
[6:37:21] >> motion to adjourn.
[6:37:23] >> motion to adjourn by
[6:37:25] commissioner douglas.
[6:37:26] >> no, I want to make sure that
[6:37:29] until we have the meeting that
[6:37:30] we leave it up to the two chiefs
[6:37:33] for their building, and to
[6:37:35] mr. Lubelski.
[6:37:38] not about a mandate but posting
[6:37:41] what has happened whatever.
[6:37:43] >> the city manager said earlier
[6:37:45] that people have, we have
[6:37:47] acknowledged that people have
[6:37:50] largely been going by the, I
[6:37:54] guess you call it the directive.
[6:37:56] hey, it's in your interest to
[6:37:58] wear a mask.
[6:37:59] think people are largely doing
[6:38:01] that.
[6:38:02] the chief back there.
[6:38:05] he's in a uniquely strong
[6:38:07] position with a military
[6:38:08] structure.
[6:38:09] I tell you what to do.
[6:38:10] do you it.
[6:38:11] I'm the chief.
[6:38:12] you're the deputy chief.
[6:38:14] you're the major.
[6:38:15] you're the lieutenant.
[6:38:17] you're the sergeant.
[6:38:18] you know you follow orders.
[6:38:19] I don't think it should be too
[6:38:21] difficult for him to get people.
[6:38:24] mr. Fire chief, please help us.
[6:38:27] >> I think it's without saying
[6:38:29] the city manager and city --
[6:38:31] >> you won't get your 2.5% if
[6:38:34] you don't speak up.
[6:38:35] >> I have a family.
[6:38:37] I have to go.
[6:38:38] >> we need a motion to adjourn
[6:38:40] when commissioner scuotto.
[6:38:46] >> motion to adjourn.
[6:38:47] >> seconds.
[6:38:48] >> all in favor.
[6:38:49] >> I.
[6:38:50] >> meeting is adjourned.
[6:38:52] thank you, everyone.