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Patricia Friebus, mayor.
>> Ryan Fernandez, alderman Ward One,

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» present.
>> Natalie Akens, alderman, Ward One,

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» here.
>> Marie Davis, alderman Ward Two.

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» Remember to speak into your mic.
Present.

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» Mark Schwarz, alderman Ward two,
>> here.

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» Greg Columbo, alderman Ward three,
>> present.

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» Angie Wel, alderman Ward three,
>> here.

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» Kathy Freriedman, alderman Ward four,
>> here. Alderman Ward four here. Britney

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Gillette, city administrator,
>> here.

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» Jeff Tman, director of finance,
>> here.

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» Mike Knight, director of planning and
public works,

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» here.
>> Gerald Brown, director of parks and

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recreation,
>> here.

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» Steven Dodge, chief of police,
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» Aaron Cely, city attorney,
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» Thank you.
>> Thank you, Mrs. uh Stone. Next item is

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approval of the agenda. Um, we need to
amend it for the motion to add prestige

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pools, but Mrs. Celely would like to
make a comment.

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» Yes. I just wanted to say for the record
that this did come in late. It is an

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event that we have numerous years. So it
is nothing new. Um however the event

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does occur before the next meeting and
therefore as long as you are comfortable

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we would find good cause to amend the
agenda because of the fact that it did

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come in late. We are not able to provide
the 24 hours notice yet the event will

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occur before you're able to have a
meeting. Um, so a motion to amend the

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agenda would include that good cause
finding for less than 24 hours notice.

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» I do have a motion to amend the agenda.
Alderman Davis,

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» I'll move since she's in my ward. You're
in my ward.

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» You have a second.
>> I'll second then.

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» Uh, Alderman Davis made a motion was
seconded by Alderman Schwarz. All in

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favor of approval of the agenda with the
amendment.

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Motion passed as amended.
Next item is a consent agenda. Bills to

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be approved. Do I have a motion, please?
>> I'll make a motion.

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» Second.
>> Motion was made by Alderman Atkins,

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seconded by Alderman Davis. All in
favor?

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» I
>> Madame Mayor, did we miss the minutes or

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did I skip?
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» I think I crossed them off before we
Thank you for bringing that to my

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attention.

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» Uh, do I have a motion for the approval
of the minutes of the July 14th, 2026

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regular meeting and the July 29th, 2026
special session meeting?

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» I'll make a motion.
>> Second.

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» Motion was made to approve the minutes
from Alderman Wiggle and seconded by

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Alderman Akens. All in favor?
Thank you for bringing that to my

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attention. The consent agenda also
passed. Next,

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public hearings. The board will consider
and discuss a request to amend the text

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of several sections of the city of
Sunset Hills unified development

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ordinance relating to recreational uses.

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Anyone from the audience that would like
to come forward?

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Mike. Yes.

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Sorry, I was just getting the clicker
ready here.

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» Thought you were hiding under there. No.
[laughter]

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» So, we have uh two public hearings
tonight. The first one is a text

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amendment for the city and it's
regarding recreational uses.

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So, a little background, there was the
discussion uh at the board um regarding

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recreational uses in industrial areas
and we were specifically talking about

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at that time indoor athletic training
facilities. We were talking about how

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these recreational facilities were
grouped together and maybe there's a

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potential text amendment to better
understand these and how they relate

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into our code. Um the issue that was in
front of us is we had a use that was

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permitted in our code that said health,
athletic, recreation, amusement

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facilities, and indoor. And although it
was a use, it wasn't defined. So when we

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regulate zoning, when we have permitted
uses, we want a definition. So when

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these nuance different community members
come in, we know exactly, you know, what

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that use is or how we define it. We also
had something called recreation uses

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that was permitted, but it was only
permitted in parks and conditional and

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residential areas. It wasn't defined. It
almost sound like it was a community

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pool or tennis court or something like
that. It didn't really seem applicable

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here. Didn't make much sense. Actually,
we also had some definitions in our code

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that didn't have uses. And a lot of
these were kind of built part of that

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other use. said talked about recreation
facilities indoor. Um where the the

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trampolines and the indoor driving
ranges, um amusement center indoors

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where they were talking about coin
operated game video game machines, more

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of a classic arcade and then a health
facility indoor and that was called kind

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of a health club and at minimum these
definitions need to be revamped with

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current language uh today and um looked
into.

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So staff looked at uh what we have
today, looked at the different uses and

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say how are they most appropriate in
today and what we see out in these

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different areas, where do they match
zoning wise? Um the first conversation

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we had was the athletic training
facility indoor, the one we talked about

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in depth where these youth sports often
have these training specific areas. Um

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sometimes they're in industrial areas.
We talked at the board level. Um, so we

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defined it as athletic training indoor,
made it permitted in both the commercial

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and industrial
zoning districts. Um, also put a parking

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uh, minimum standard in there that we
have with all of our uses. Did the five

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per thousand, I think it says one per
200 gross floor area. I say five per

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thousand. It's a pretty standard
commercial industrial minimum parking

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standard that you'll see. We also even
talked about at the board level and and

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internally that athletic training indoor
is not one of these larger sports

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complexes. It's not Scott Gallagher.
It's not. So we purposfully define these

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larger more competition
um where everybody comes and watches

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spectator uh use and said specifically
the athletic training facility indoor in

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that definition is not a sports complex
indoor and outdoor. and then define the

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sports complex and did not make it
permitted in any of our zoning

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districts.
Then we have those other three we talked

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about. So we have one called fitness
center and health club. It's a permitted

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use in commercial. Think your gyms, your
Planet Fitnesses that you see in these

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commercial areas with the five uh per
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uh parking. And then we had the
recreational facilities indoor and

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talked about um you know this is your
indoor arcade bowling whether you're

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urban air or your main event or your
bowling mostly always in commercial

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permitted in commercial districts. Um
and then we [clears throat] also defined

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movement center outdoor. Now these
aren't necessarily always on large

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tracks of land but they are outdoor. Um
think of your mini golf or your batting

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cage maybe we'll call it swing around
funtown something like that that you

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see. Um, so we didn't make it permitted
by right, but since it's outdoor, made

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it conditional in the commercial
districts. Um, and then I used one space

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per 500. That's just a little research
when I looked at there's not a lot of

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these. Look out there. That seemed to be
a common metric for our parking knowing

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that if anybody did come in, they would
have that plan development p permit

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process that we have.
So what we did, there was one

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recreational use classification that was
combined. It didn't define the athletic

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portion of it for sure and it was only
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So, we had also a use called recreation
facilities that was only conditional in

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single family residential areas and it
just didn't make much sense. Um, so we

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created the five distinct recreational
facility uses that we mentioned, applied

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the applicable zoning districts that we
felt were most appropriate, provided a

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parking standard to them, um, removed
that recreation use that didn't seem to

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make sense or that we use applicably in
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Um, this was part of it's a text
amendment, so it went to the planning

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and zoning commission. They are your
recommending body for all land use and

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zoning decisions. Um they recommended
approval unanimously as it was

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submitted. Importantly, tonight the
distinguished night is a public hearing.

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So this is an opportunity for staff to
describe the ordinance amendment and

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really receive feedback. Receive
feedback from the board, receive

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feedback from the members of community,
whether they're, you know, here tonight

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or in the future. Um and and no action
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strictly on for a public hearing. Closes
my presentation and of course I can

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answer any questions. I said I was going
to receive feedback, but I left my

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notepad. So, I'm going to grab that.
>> Any questions?

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» Alderman Columbo,
>> how would you define the VETA bubble?

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» Alderman Columbo,
>> how would you define the the VETA bubble

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under which category? I'm just curious.
>> Right.

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» It's not a sports complex because it has
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» Yeah. So, I would say no. Good. I never
looked specifically into their

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operation. And I know we've talked about
it from my understanding of their

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operation or being there. This is one
and more of those indoor training

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facilities and not use events. Now I
could have new information and find out

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that they have massive tournaments or
something like that. Again, they're

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existing condition as they are right
now. Um, so no change, but the best of

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my knowledge, it's an indoor training
facility, but without reaching out or

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understanding really their operation, I
have to put that caveat in there.

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» Secondly, the the parking.
>> Mhm. It seems overly restrictive at one

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per 200. And and I'll give some examples
because I believe Veta currently is

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45,000 to 50,000 square feet total
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They have 60 spots on hand.
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Spirit Gymnastics, Crossgra Boy, they
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foot building. He has 27 spots for them
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remainder of that building has 15 on the
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there's 15 spots around back.
>> So again, you're into like a one per 450

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area. Um,
and I could go on. I the very other

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examples here of all American Big Bendon
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» Yeah. 40 something 50,000 square foot
facility. They're about one per 400

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under parking. Bud Dome I was just
talking to somebody about is an 80,000

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square foot place, one per 4 to 500. Um,
uh, Powerhouse is another one where you

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know all of these places and these are
mostly places that are holding events

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too, not just training facilities. So,
they're way advanced. And I guess my

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point is in Sunset Hills, we're not
getting complaints about parking at

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Spirit Gymnastics. We're not getting
complaints about parking at Veta yet.

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We're coming at one per 200, which
great. Now, we've authorized a use, but

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it's so overly restrictive that we may
never be able to utilize that use

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because the parking is too restrictive.
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» sure.
>> Just thoughts.

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» Five per thousand is typically like kind
of a lower parking minimum. I'm not a

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firm believer that, you know,
I I you you clearly looked at all these

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places and all these things, you know
what I mean? So, I'm not like debating.

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I would just say from a overall
perspective, five per thousand isn't a

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high from what I've known, but
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Powerhouse 45,000 ft, 113 spots, one
>> and a lot of these I just think uh

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important comment is it's the mixture of
uses within these buildings, right? So,

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you you look at the other uses. So they
may designate X amount of spaces for

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these uses, but if they're mixed, maybe
they're lower in other ones. You you

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look at the building as a whole, right?
You take each use, you say what the

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requirements are, you see what the
>> parking but I guess my point is most of

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these places get more use than an
athletic training facility will ever

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get, right? Because they're hosting
competitions. They're hosting multiple

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practices and a competition. So, I I if
when it comes to time for this ordinance

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to come up, I I think I'm going to make
a motion to amend to be a little less

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restrictive so that we can actually
utilize some of those places versus

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having something that's allowed but will
no longer be practical to use. And I

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would say part of the public hearing
process is to gather feedback and

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understand. So, I think, you know, I'll
do the same. I'll look into it, see what

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I can find on these nuanced areas and
come with that information.

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» Yeah. Any other questions from the
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» Yes,
>> Alderman Schwarz. Um,

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» yes. I'm not quite as good as Alderman
Columbo is with Google Earth, but uh so

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I'm just going to go back and I'm going
to I'm going to echo his his sentiment

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and I think that
one to 200 puts them on par with

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municipal buildings, trade schools,
vocational schools, college and

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universities.
And I don't think that the property that

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we're talking about is consistent with
those three that I just cited.

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» Sure.
>> Alderman Doss.

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» Um I heard a lot of wisdom from the
other side of the table. So my question

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to you, Michael, is PNZ passed this
unanimously. Was this parking issue

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discussed in PNZ at all to your
recollection?

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» No.
Not much conversation, just a lot of

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nodding of heads of the split of uses,
not not a lot of dialogue overall.

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» Thank you,
>> Alderman Freriedman.

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» Um,
I'm just wondering why athletic

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» microphone microphone.
>> Yes, I'm sorry.

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» My apologies. Um, athletic training
facilities indoor is permitted in

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LCGCLI,
which which I think is fine. Um, fitness

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center health and amusement center
outdoor

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are only in commercial but not LI. Is
there a reason for that?

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» They just seem much more like commercial
operations where much more people go in

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and out. That seemed more commercial
than industrial despite this use.

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Usually work for a day. You don't see
that in and out like you see in these

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commercial areas
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sports complex indoor or outdoor is not
permitted in any is that so

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» we we say that we don't think that's
appropriate anywhere in the city

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» exactly and I think it's a perfect
format for this discussion right now

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unless you see that different it was
more defining the two and saying that

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the athletic indoor is not a sports
facility indoor. I'm not aware of like

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our comprehensive plan or or some sort
of guiding document that said these

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large facilities would be in these
certain areas. We're largely a built

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environment. These typically are larger,
but that's a perfect opportunity right

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now unless we, you know, we see this as
being appropriate somewhere.

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» Yeah. So, I mean, I look at our driving
range and I think we've got some

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instructional
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and that I mean, so doesn't that make it
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indoor, outdoor with training areas?
>> I would say with all our parks, we

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consider them our parks. We usually
don't zone them into like commercial

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designations.
>> Is there a reason why that isn't why we

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it's not permitted in parks and open
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» yeah, looking at this and Mike and I
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crux of these um sports complexes is
that they are there to generate

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spectators and that's listed in the
definition where these are you're trying

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to get a lot of people there. So you see
these giant volleyball uh you know

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complexes where there's 30, 40, 50
courts and they're all operating on one

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day at the same time and it's the intent
is to draw people in there. In looking

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at the city of Sunset Hills, I'm not
sure where we would fit something of

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that size. When you look at the actual
complex and then the parking that is

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required and is never enough at those
types of facilities. Um, and to Mike's

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point, we can continue to talk about
this. If if the board disagrees, we're

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certainly open to that conversation, but
just looking at the city of Sunset

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Hills, where we're located, our current
open space for development, I'm not sure

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where that would ever fit. And we
certainly wanted to pull out these

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recreational or athletic training
facilities from that because they are

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truthfully operating under two different
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» Okay. And there's no problem with our
parks department doing that, but we tell

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other people they can't.
>> There's not a legal problem. They are

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they're designated as parks and open
space and they operate under the

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municipal park operations.
>> Okay. Well, I just I I mean when we've

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so
I don't know how closely the other

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aldermen have looked at this, but when
you've got sports complex indoor or

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outdoor as a use and there's no little
P's or C's across the little grid, that

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means uh-uh. So,
>> correct.

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» Yeah.
>> And and that was certainly the

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intention. Again, we're we're open to
conversation. Um, but that was the

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intention was to leave those defined and
then not allow them or not permit them.

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» And may I just ask when when this comes
up, can we put the the use chart? I had

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to write my own little notes about what
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doesn't show it in the ordinance.
>> So that would just be helpful

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» in the draft ordinance. Yeah. Like a
supplementary exhibit

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» out a little. It's because we just
pulled that and it's but it would still

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be
>> I we understand And I can even make it a

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supplementary chart exhibit. Yeah.
>> Thank you,

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» Alderman Columbbo.
>> Alderman Freeman, I you know, since I

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kind of brought this to the
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» I just want to say I was purposeful and
not trying to lump sports complexes in

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because I'm a user of those and I
realize how much traffic they generate

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and I just thought, hey, let's just keep
it simple for now, you know, and and

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address what
>> Yeah. the existing non-conforming uses

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were rather than bring in new uses. So,
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just wanted go through the exercise.
Thank you,

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» Alderman Fernandez.
>> Thanks, Madam Mayor. Um, Mr. N. I just

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want to confirm um I have two separate
questions. One is any of this how it

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relates to we do have an approval
obviously for the bombers activity down

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at Bander Park and a park. So, is that
the pure distinction there on why that

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is different? It's operating through our
lease, right?

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» It is operating through a lease. Um the
use obviously just like any other change

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to our UDO, the the existing items are
grandfathered in. So any any change to

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this won't impact existing facilities or
um sports complex operations.

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» Great. Thank you. And then second one
very different. Um the thing about the

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residential areas, obviously since the
UDO went in, pickle ball became a rage.

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How would that apply if a subdivision
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anything else like that this time?
>> Those are typical and I say most cities

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just passive amenities.
>> Alderman Fernandez, I didn't hear the

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question. So, do you mind repeating?
>> Absolutely. I'm sorry.

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» I'm I'm going talk right into this
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» Uh since the UDO went in as pickle balls
obviously skyrocketed other paddle

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sports, I was just curious how that
would apply that one provision around

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residential areas. So, I'd say like um
most cities, if you have amenities that

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are in common ground that are used for
your subdivision, they're just common

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ground. You get a building permit for
something like that. They don't have a

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separate use designation because they're
not really a commercial enterprise in

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those subdivisions.
>> Okay. Not advocating for more of those,

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but yeah. Thank you.
>> Any other questions from the board?

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All right. Would anyone from the
audience uh have any comments? Mr.

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better. Do you want to add anything?
No. Okay. Anyone else in the audience

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that would like to comment in the public
hearing?

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All right.
>> Thank you very much. Now, close this

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public hearing [clears throat]
>> and we're going to open the next one.

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The board will consider and discuss a
request to amend the text of several

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sections of the city of Sunset Hills
unified development ordinance relating

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to senior living uses. Mr. Knight.
>> Yep. This one is known as PO7 2026

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um regarding the senior living uses. Uh
so just take a step back like we did

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with the last one, you know, why make
the amendments. So, uh, we talked about

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at the board before Friendship Village
acquired some property next to their

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existing site directly to the east
called the Delta Dental Building. Um,

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and they were also acquiring the
commuter lot right next to that Delta

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Dental Building. Um, and what we found
is that there's no clear path for

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expansion as the senior living uses, the
plan retirement care, they're not

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permitted in our current UDO. Um, I'm
not aware of that intentionally being

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removed from the UDO, meaning I haven't
heard conversations of saying let's keep

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it out, but that's it's omitted. It's
it's just like Alderman Freeman said,

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there's no P on those uses um existing
in our code. Um, and we do know we do

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have existing senior living facilities.
So, that could happen not just there.

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Again, I brought kind of how we got
here, but this is other senior living

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facilities too. Use not user.
So, I was going to give you one slide to

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describe this. I would say that what
this text amendment does is it creates

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an SL senior living district um broadly
permitting the senior living uses um

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verse making them permitted in existing
districts. At first when I was looking

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that I was think well maybe these would
be most appropriate in commercial

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districts being permitted but went with
creating a new district specifically for

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senior living. Um it requires senior
living to go through the plan

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development permit process. So as we
know all of the developments that come

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through the UDO outline that process for
commercial office industrial and this

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would follow that same anything but
single family development process. Um it

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permits plan retirement care centers
that is how friendship village was

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defined in the old uh zoning code. Um
also assisted living facilities and

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nursing homes. Those are the uses that
are in our current code just not

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permitted. It establishes a 5A per
minimum. So a minimum lot size uh for

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the senior living facilities. Um it
limits density to 11 residential

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accommodations or units per acre. Um it
adds an open space requirement and a

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residential uh parking setback
requirement. So not just building but

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the parking setbacks would apply too. Um
and establishes a parking formula uh for

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the planned retirement care centers
because those other two uses that were

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permitted had a parking formula. So just
to walk through briefly again a new use

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is added. So we have our 12 existing
districts. This would add senior living.

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Um we have the district regulations. So
this is where we state the 5 acre lot

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minimum um lot width and setbacks versus
maybe the commercial that has the 10

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20,000 foot lot minimums. [snorts]
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care center back into our code. Again,
that's one was defined in our old code

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that Friendship Village was under. Put
it back in under permitted only in those

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senior living district. Um, put the
parking in uh the existing parking one

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per three beds. I'll say that is pretty
common among facilities. Um, but the

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plan retirement care that's more we'll
get to the definition a mixture of

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retirement from independent to senior to
assisted. Um and you'll see and so it

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said one space per dwelling unit and one
space per three beds knowing that these

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developments would go through that plan
development process right and outline

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their parking. [snorts] It also has a
use provision and the use provision

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talks about these kind of those
additional standards that we put on some

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uses like a car wash something specific
and it says all the uses would have the

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density would also have an open space
requirement of 50% and it would have uh

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parking setbacks uh no closer than any
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This is where we put it in the plan
development process. We would add senior

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living. These are the definitions. there
in your packet. But again, it defines

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assisted living and nursing home the
same, but brings that planned retirement

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care center uh definition that was in
our previous zoning code back into this

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code.

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So,
um currently senior living the

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regulations, they're not permitted in
any of our current districts. We know

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that. Um regardless, all of these senior
living facilities may continue to

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operate today under their current
entitlements. it's only when they look

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to expand significant change when they
would need a site development allowance

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something like that they'd be required
to go into a new district um this

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creates a separate zoning district
remember at first I was thinking is it

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permitted in another one this creates
its own district um plan development

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process will remain this adds density
open space and those are largely based

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off friendship village I didn't do a lot
of research on new but really the

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accommodations of the existing facility
when I was looking at density and open

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space that's where I got those numbers
Um at PNZ there was a robust discussion

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about this just from lot sizes to um
where they would be how it would work.

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We had a pretty healthy um discussion.
Uh they did recommend to approve

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unanimously there. They did have a
couple recommendations that are in your

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packet right there that you see again
the public hearing. This is why we're

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here today especially for the public.
It's for me to receive feedback from

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you. Understand the ordinance amendment
that I put in front. receive feedback

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from of course the board, the general
public. No actions scheduled tonight,

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but what are your thoughts and concerns?
This one? Yeah, that concludes my

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presentation and I can answer any
questions.

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» Any questions from the board? Alderman
Freriedman?

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» I think it's interesting.
>> I'm sorry,

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» Mr. Harding. I think it's interesting
that we are looking at this approach

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after we just went through a very
abbreviated and I think proper way to

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handle you know we we've got an issue
with training indoor training centers

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» and we're not setting up an athletic
zone because we don't have a

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comprehensive athletic zone. Mhm.
[clears throat]

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» We could just as easily and I think more
conservatively and more properly

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address the the friendship village issue
and any other

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homes um rehab centers,
assisted living facilities by putting

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little P's and C's in our use chart. Um,
you know, I've I've spoken to um Mr.

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Knight about this and he said his
initial concern was that,

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you know, if you
if you made it available in uh

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commercial districts
that any commercial district could have

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a senior living um you know the this is
our map, our zoning map. I don't think

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we ever even look at it. The thing that
I think jumps out at you is yellow.

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There's a bunch of yellow, light yellow
and dark yellow. That's res. That's R1

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and R2. That's the bulk of our our city.
And when you look at

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commercial and
commercial, it's the red and the pink

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kind of in high
traffic areas, I guess, you know, not in

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the middle of residential.
And I I think, you know, planned

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retirement center, nursing home,
assisted living, those are all

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commercial enterprises, and I think they
properly belong in commercial

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enterprises. I agree that, you know, we
should probably tighten up the um the

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definitions. Um but I think that is a
more conservative and a better approach.

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And Mr. night has told me that that was
his initial thoughts about this and um I

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think his um initial instincts were the
right ones. So,

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you know, I'm happy to to hear others
thoughts, but

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» can I
>> Alderman Davis?

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» Um, isn't French village a religiously
based um run company nonprofit

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» and the same thing with the one that is
next to Lommire uh the Christian I don't

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know what
>> Peace Haven.

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» Okay, so those are both religiously run.
How does that affect all of this?

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» From a use perspective, it wouldn't. You
know, they could sell today to something

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different. I'm sure there's other
implications for these, but from the use

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operating of an assisted living nursing
home

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» despite ownership. Yeah. Again, there
might be other ramifications of having

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that, but not from a zoning regulation.
>> Okay.

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» Alderman Columbo.
>> Yeah. I [clears throat] think about it

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kind of like that because if you look at
like a peace haven, it's scattered out

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amongst the residential district.
condos at Lomire Place or in a

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residential district. The is it Kindred
Senior Center next to that in a

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residential area.
>> I mean, these all seem to fit very well

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throughout our community. I don't I I I
personally like the senior living zoning

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designation because these things are a
benefit for to our community. It's nice

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00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:10,240
to have them spread out around versus
just all stuck in one particular area.

418
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:15,279
And I I mean I think Friendship Village
is just a perfect example of a well-run

419
00:31:13,279 --> 00:31:21,039
facility that that really blends into
our, you know, our our city. So

420
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:25,440
» I think we're very blessed to have a lot
of choices in our community to stay in

421
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:30,399
Sunset Hills as we age.
Well, and I would add to that the

422
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:35,039
courtyards and Sunset Grove being two
places that are in such high demand to

423
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:39,679
get into that unless you're willing to
really pay over ask, you're you can't

424
00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:43,679
touch those. So, all of those places I
think have benefited Sunset Hills and

425
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:50,399
brought some diversity amongst the the
senior crowd. And so, yeah, I'm really

426
00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:53,120
in favor of this.
>> Mr. Knight, I say I can expand a little

427
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:56,080
bit because I think Alderman Freeman
said it well, but just again

428
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:59,120
I think they absolutely can be in
commercial districts. I think you can

429
00:31:57,279 --> 00:32:02,159
put permitted and and I think a lot of
cities do operate that way, especially

430
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:07,200
if you have a downtown area and you have
all these different things. My thought

431
00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:12,399
process was just like we we talked
about, you know, the seventh amended

432
00:32:09,679 --> 00:32:16,880
plan reusing these areas and if we're
saying you are now a commercial zoning

433
00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:22,399
district which has all these P's and
things as re reuse, are we looking at

434
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:27,039
these areas as commercial areas or we
envisioning them? Are we really just

435
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:32,559
talking about senior living? And that's
how I went. I think it could operate in

436
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:36,720
both, but let's say we'll just not use
French village the across the street

437
00:32:34,399 --> 00:32:40,480
chest rehab. You know, let's say they
take down the house that requires

438
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:43,279
reszoning. They're commercial now. They
have all these different permits. Yes,

439
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:46,960
they still need a plan. Yes, they still
need further approvals, but you are

440
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:52,640
saying as a city, this is a commercial
area. Now, yes, we have to meet your

441
00:32:50,159 --> 00:32:56,799
requirements, but all of the other
permitted uses you're telling me that

442
00:32:54,799 --> 00:33:01,919
are permitted here as long as you have
meet the code and those plans. That's

443
00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:07,200
how my thought process were 100% right.
I did start with permitted. I think it

444
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:10,559
works either way, but that's where my
thought process went is as you start

445
00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:15,600
calling these local commercial or
general commercial and they change reuse

446
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:21,039
over time, are we considering these
commercial now? on what would that do?

447
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:26,080
» Any other questions or comments from the
board? Alderman Akens.

448
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:29,919
» Thank you, Madame Mayor. Um I think I
heard you say that you use Friendship

449
00:33:27,919 --> 00:33:34,159
Village to build the specifications here
on like five plus acres and such, but do

450
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:37,679
the other um facilities, senior living
facilities in Sunset Hills meet those

451
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:42,640
specifications? And are these pretty
standard? Cuz

452
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:47,039
» yeah, these can go across the board
depending on your community in terms of

453
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:52,720
standardization. Originally I add three
because I want to say there's one that's

454
00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:56,480
four, five, eight and 50, right? So we
just see the gamut of of how these

455
00:33:54,720 --> 00:34:00,799
operate.
Um

456
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:04,480
I I think any of them work I think when
we talk about our existing facilities

457
00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:08,320
too when they go through the they can
request a site development allowance

458
00:34:06,399 --> 00:34:13,760
when they come in. So if you do have a 3
acre spot and you are requesting some a

459
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:17,200
modest change,
it's up to the board obviously, but it's

460
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:21,119
an existing condition that we've dealt
with before as codes change and adapt

461
00:34:19,359 --> 00:34:26,079
where when you look at new facilities,
you're saying, "Hey, this is our set

462
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:32,639
standard." So I think I think it can
operate in any direction. I think five

463
00:34:28,720 --> 00:34:38,159
accommodates three of them right now and
that one if there was a change that

464
00:34:35,919 --> 00:34:42,240
needed to be made they could request to
say this is the reason why four makes

465
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:45,760
sense for me because I'm in an existing
condition again just if that kind of

466
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:49,359
helps that discussion
>> thank you and then one other thing and I

467
00:34:47,919 --> 00:34:52,480
didn't notice it when you went through
this presentation so you might have

468
00:34:50,879 --> 00:34:56,560
might have already updated it but in the
materials that were sent out to us we

469
00:34:54,480 --> 00:35:00,400
had removed senior housing as a
permitted use,

470
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:03,760
» but on section six in the parking table,
it was still listed as a standalone row.

471
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:07,800
So, just wanted to make you aware.
>> Yeah. Was it taken out of the parking?

472
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:16,079
» So, sorry, I just thought about that.
So, senior housing I don't think was

473
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:20,079
removed from our code. We just didn't
make it permitted and that's why it

474
00:35:18,079 --> 00:35:23,520
would stay in the parking because if it
was ever activated, not that we

475
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,680
couldn't, but I think that's why that
happened.

476
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:30,800
» That makes sense. Thank you. Mhm.
>> Any other questions from the board?

477
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:34,880
» Freriedman.
>> So,

478
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:40,240
Mr. Knight mentioned that you know if
you've got a commercial district that

479
00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:46,640
it's open to anything
friendship village or anybody would come

480
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:54,480
and say I want to operate this business
un and they'd go under section 7 of the

481
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:59,119
UDO to develop a plan development
and part of that plan development is you

482
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:04,480
know we've dealt with them we're going
to do all of these things and there's

483
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:10,720
going to be this much open space and you
know we'll have this much parking and we

484
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:14,560
can't maintain this buffer because it's
just too much and it would be better if

485
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:20,640
it was were smaller. We can make
accommodations

486
00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:23,640
and when we issue the the planned
development

487
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:33,280
that does not allow just any old
commercial use in the planned

488
00:36:29,839 --> 00:36:39,119
development. the what governs that
planned development is the ordinance.

489
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:45,520
So, it's not like
Friendship Village could put a car wash

490
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:55,520
on the property. And I think Friendship
Village is a wonderful

491
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:59,680
um campus, a wonderful business, um uh a
wonderful place to live. The residents

492
00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:07,280
there are, you know,
>> are very happy there. I think it's a

493
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:14,160
model, but it is, you know, 50 acres.
This would be 5 acres. And the reason

494
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:19,040
why we've got Peace Haven at 5 acres is
because Peace Haven was there before the

495
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:24,160
city incorporated.
So, they were grandfathered in. And I

496
00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:29,520
think it behooved the city for them to
do the great up upkeep up updating that

497
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:35,200
they did
uh um

498
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:41,440
six years ago, eight years ago. Mhm.
>> And the lawnmire is a matter of, you

499
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:45,599
know, just trying to fix a problem that
went bad that, you know, that was

500
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:50,480
supposed to be condos and the
development

501
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:55,440
was underwater and that got put in. you
know, if we go with senior living, I

502
00:37:52,480 --> 00:38:00,240
think to have these, you know, little
pockets of areas that you can string

503
00:37:57,599 --> 00:38:05,440
together two or three lots or, you know,
five lots, it

504
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:12,079
I think we all think of Friendship
Village and it's great and it is and we

505
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:20,400
want to help them
expand. I don't think having a senior

506
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:28,800
living district is going to do that. And
you know the section 7 says that

507
00:38:25,839 --> 00:38:33,440
once a um
once a plan district is approved or

508
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:42,400
disappro if once a plan district is
approved that the zoning map shall shall

509
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:46,880
be amended to include the district. So
on this zoning map you can see little

510
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:54,560
hash marks. Those hash marks are planned
dis or planned developments. So, it's it

511
00:38:51,040 --> 00:39:00,880
I don't see that the city would be
opening itself to any problems if

512
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:07,520
Friendship Village came to the city and
said, "Okay, we've got this Delta Dental

513
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:12,800
building and we want to add it on and
that entails a reasonzoning and then we

514
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:19,599
will go forward with this plan
development." Those things all happen

515
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:25,119
at one time. you know, we'll have
four ordinances on the docket or the

516
00:39:23,359 --> 00:39:30,960
agenda
>> that would handle all of them. So, I I

517
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:38,000
just don't see
the need to put, you know, another

518
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:45,280
district on the map. Um
because we because at this point there's

519
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:52,240
a very good
um corporate

520
00:39:48,640 --> 00:40:00,079
citizen of Sunset Hills that houses, you
know, a lot of Sunset Hills residences

521
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:06,240
residents very happily. Um, I don't see
that's the reason that's a reason for

522
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:12,079
just expanding another expanding our
code to include another district. Thank

523
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:16,977
you.
>> Thank you, Madame Mayor. So, listening

524
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:20,720
to you, Michael, and to Alderman
[clears throat] Freriedman, here is my

525
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:23,839
question I would go ask one of you to
answer.

526
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:31,560
So,
someone buys

527
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:31,560
5 acres in an R1 or R2 district.

528
00:40:31,839 --> 00:40:39,280
They've combined the property.
Can they under some of these rules that

529
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:44,320
you're showing us tonight
in a residential district that

530
00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:50,000
encompasses five acres put this kind of
facility there? It would be no different

531
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:55,520
if there was an LSL district or a
planned commercial district. Anybody can

532
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:59,119
request to zone anywhere. We have a
comprehensive plan that says this is the

533
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:05,440
single family residential areas. This
is, you know, so like that's a guiding

534
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:10,960
document. Um but it whether you went SL
or you went permitted in commercial,

535
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:14,319
it'd be the same conversation. You' just
be requesting a different district. Oh,

536
00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:17,599
yeah. You'd have to resone either way.
it would just be which district are you

537
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:22,400
reszoning to.
>> But I think to to Mr. Knight's point

538
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:28,079
earlier, if you do go the commercial
route with the P's and C's across the

539
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:33,119
youth table and that that happens, um,
now you've got you have a commercial

540
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:37,040
zoning in the middle of a residential,
in the middle of a light industrial, in

541
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:41,200
the middle of wherever that ends up
being reszoned. And for today, that use

542
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:44,400
might fit, right? It might be a memory
care facility. That does make sense

543
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:48,400
right outside of a neighborhood where
there was an open 5 acres. But once you

544
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:53,760
have that zoning, that zoning is there.
The plan development to Alderman

545
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:59,119
Freriedman's point does govern what
happens with within that lot. But our

546
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:03,839
use table is going to govern the use.
So, we could not have a store come up

547
00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:07,040
and say we want to, you know, purchase
the property that was the existing

548
00:42:05,359 --> 00:42:11,440
memory care facility and we want to use
it as a store, which we've got permitted

549
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:15,359
in our commercial districts. We won't be
able to say no because of that use. We

550
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:18,560
could tweak their plan. We could say you
need this many parking spaces, your

551
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:21,839
setbacks are too small. All of those
things are governed by that plan

552
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:26,000
development, but the use is governed by
the use table. So when you start calling

553
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:31,200
things commercial and just plugging in
other uses, we have to remember that in

554
00:42:28,319 --> 00:42:36,160
5, 10, 30 years from now, if that use is
still permitted in a commercial, it it

555
00:42:33,359 --> 00:42:41,920
could become that other thing. And
>> this is not an overlay.

556
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:47,119
» The the PD is not an overlay. It becomes
its own district. the the board shall

557
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:54,720
direct
the city administrator

558
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:58,720
to update the zoning map to include that
district.

559
00:42:56,240 --> 00:43:03,760
» If it is zoned commercial, the the
permitted uses within the commercial are

560
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:08,880
are permitted.
>> You're saying it's not an over you're

561
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:15,520
saying it is an overlay.
our our plan developments, those plans

562
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:20,720
do operate as an overlay. They do um
you've got your uses within

563
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:26,240
» We had we had um vigorous discussion on
this when we passed the UDO and the

564
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:29,760
decision was it would not be an overlay.
>> I I understand what you're saying. I

565
00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:33,359
understand what the code says, but we're
not creating a new zoning district every

566
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:37,920
time a plan development comes in. And
and that's essentially what you're

567
00:43:35,839 --> 00:43:42,119
saying. We aren't creating a new
>> The map would beg to differ.

568
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:49,200
I I understand the map. We have a use
table if it's zoned general commercial

569
00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:52,560
and there's a PD on top of it that
allows for the Home Depots and the and

570
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:58,960
all those things and the Bass Pro I
think is technically but you're going to

571
00:43:55,760 --> 00:44:03,280
have a very hard time denying something
that was reszoned for a memory care

572
00:44:01,359 --> 00:44:06,720
facility and now wants to become
something else that is general

573
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:09,920
commercial. you're going to it's going
to be far more difficult than if you

574
00:44:08,319 --> 00:44:14,720
create its own zoning district and you
say the only thing allowed in these

575
00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:19,359
spots is senior living. You can never
become a Walmart. You can never become a

576
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:26,000
QT. And it's just going to be far more
restrictive that way now and in the

577
00:44:21,839 --> 00:44:30,520
future. So if if we made a senior living
district

578
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,520
and

579
00:44:31,359 --> 00:44:39,599
village fell into the ground,
the only thing that could go there is a

580
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,720
nursing home or
>> assuming they reszoned. I don't know

581
00:44:41,359 --> 00:44:46,720
what their existing zoning is, but
assuming they did reszone into a senior

582
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:50,160
living, they they redeveloped whatever.
Yes. They fell into the ground. The only

583
00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:53,920
thing that can go into that spot without
the board approving a reasonzoning would

584
00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:56,720
be a senior living facility within those
uses,

585
00:44:56,011 --> 00:45:03,880
[clears throat]
>> which wouldn't be the same if it was

586
00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:03,880
commercial with just a permitted use.

587
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:13,040
» Question, Alderman Davis.
So, I have my five acres and I decide

588
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:19,040
that I want to have an apartment
building or I want to have a condo

589
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:23,680
building, but if it's not zone senior
living only, that can happen, right?

590
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:27,280
» No. So,
>> we don't have multif family permit.

591
00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:31,359
» So, multif family wouldn't be what we're
talking about. And again, you're it

592
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:36,720
sounds like we're talking about a single
family zone subdivision. There's there's

593
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:40,800
no change that you get entitlements to.
You'd be requesting into a new district,

594
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:47,400
just like you'd be requesting to an LC
if you wanted commercial, SL, senior

595
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:47,400
living, LI if you wanted industrial.

596
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:57,200
Yeah. And again, I just sorry, I do
think it'll work either way. Like I I

597
00:45:54,400 --> 00:46:00,960
don't want to act like one way is vastly
different. I think she did a great point

598
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:04,960
just explaining my thought process of
reuse over time and calling it

599
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:08,160
commercial if we're not truly seeing
these areas of commercial. Even though I

600
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:12,319
do know senior living operates as
commercial. That's what I'm saying. I

601
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:16,160
get it. And to echo and I I won't go far
just you do require a plan. That's the

602
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:20,560
plan development. You need to get a plan
approved. It's just if you meet the code

603
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:25,040
requirements and you have a plan and and
that's the zoning district,

604
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:28,240
that's what you're looking at. I will
say too from another perspective of not

605
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:33,280
just future redevelopment of these
senior living facilities but our our

606
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:36,240
commercial districts are are not very
large right we are we are highly

607
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:41,119
residential we're a neighborhood
community the city thrives very well on

608
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:45,440
it but I think it is important you know
for the fiscal responsibility of us in

609
00:46:43,839 --> 00:46:49,280
this community is to ensure that we do
protect those those commercial districts

610
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:52,560
that we have and we allow them to
continue operating and to continue

611
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:57,119
bringing in sales tax dollars to the
city so we can continue to be as great

612
00:46:54,480 --> 00:47:01,680
as we are. And so keeping that separate
where they and not to be, you know, too

613
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:05,200
abrasive, but they they don't bring in
tax dollars. And so keeping those

614
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:09,119
outside of those districts is going to
protect those existing commercial

615
00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:12,640
zonings and make sure that use is
exactly what that's for. And then those

616
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:19,560
can operate, the senior living
facilities can operate in other spaces

617
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:19,560
that are less commercial attractive.

618
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:30,800
» Alderman Davis. So there are two 5 acre
maybe 5 acre plus uh sections across

619
00:47:27,359 --> 00:47:34,560
from Thomas Jefferson school um that
right now one is completely it's all

620
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:40,960
trees it's never been developed at all
and one has five houses on it I think so

621
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:46,000
how can that can those be changed to be
senior living um areas or not

622
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:50,319
» the owners could apply for a
reasonzoning if they wished to do that

623
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:53,760
under under this they would meet that 5
acre requirement. Obviously, we'd have

624
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:57,200
to look at their plan. And that's the
thing, too. Now, you're talking about a

625
00:47:55,119 --> 00:48:00,960
complete resoning, which is a heftier
process. The board has a lot more

626
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:04,800
authority on saying no to a resoning
than you would on something that's

627
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:09,119
permitted, even if it's conditional. Um,
but to answer your question, anybody

628
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:12,880
could apply and if at that time the
board thought that that was a suitable

629
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:16,640
use for that space, you all would
approve a reszoning and then essentially

630
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:20,960
eventually a plan development.
>> Okay. Thank you. Any other questions

631
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:25,599
from the board?
>> Just a comment if we're going to key and

632
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:32,400
I I think it is appropriate if we're
going to look to Friendship Village as

633
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:37,920
um an inspiration for how we move
forward. You know, that the existing

634
00:48:35,359 --> 00:48:43,280
size of that is 50 acres and that's what
makes it such a beautiful campus with so

635
00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:48,720
many amenities. Um and it's adding on
another

636
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:55,520
six acres. Um, I think five acres is
woefully small for if you're going to um

637
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:59,599
set up a whole new zoning district.
Thank you.

638
00:48:57,119 --> 00:49:04,559
» Any other comments from the board?
Alderman Columbo? I I think I would add

639
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:10,640
that Peace Haven is also a model of how
to upgrade and build and that is on five

640
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:15,200
acres and I I not to say that like Lommy
Place condos and that's not necessarily

641
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:20,400
a senior thing but that's less than a 5
acre piece. I mean so tasteful things

642
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:26,319
can be done on five acre
>> pieces of property that look very nice

643
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:32,920
and blend in with our community.
>> Okay. Anyone from the audience have any

644
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,920
comments during our public hearing?

645
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,359
Mr. Hardy

646
00:49:41,839 --> 00:49:51,599
Frank Hardy 421 Raburn. I have a
hodgepodge just listen to you all a lot

647
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:58,880
of thoughts. Um, I talked to Mike a
little bit before this meeting began and

648
00:49:54,480 --> 00:50:03,920
the five acre issue uh uh came up. Uh,
as you probably know, you have four

649
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:10,400
senior living facilities in the city
right now. Uh, one of them is uh 3 acres

650
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:16,720
in Friendship Village is 50 acres. He
didn't know what the next one is above

651
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:23,359
uh three acres. So I'm I'm questioning,
you know, you you think about Friendship

652
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:24,960
Village and also think about Lar Park or
Lomar U

653
00:50:24,824 --> 00:50:33,359
» [clears throat]
>> uh senior living there and is 5 acres

654
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:40,720
large enough? Um
and also am concerned about the uh

655
00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:46,160
setbacks that are listed here. Um
when LMAR uh was was built, yes, it was

656
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:52,720
supposed to be condos uh and it was
changed to senior living. Um but there

657
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:57,520
was a number of issues uh as it was
being built. I happened to be an

658
00:50:54,640 --> 00:51:03,920
alderman at the time and Doug Magcguire
happens to be here at this meeting uh

659
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:08,559
was an alderman and also the trustee on
Merit Drive. And there were some

660
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:17,119
residents that backed up to uh that
facility and they had a whole bunch of

661
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:23,680
issues and uh justified issues too. So
um I'm also thinking back to when I was

662
00:51:20,319 --> 00:51:30,079
an alderman years ago. Uh some uh
residents in Sunset Manor approached me

663
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:36,559
about reszoning that area.
um they were zoned at R5, which is 7,500

664
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:41,839
square ft.
And so if they wanted to do anything to

665
00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:51,599
their homes, uh their lots were too
small. The average lot uh in uh Sunset

666
00:51:46,319 --> 00:51:57,520
Matter is 50 by 132, which calculates to
just over 5,000 ft. So, uh, the majority

667
00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:03,520
of those people had to jump through
hoops just to do, uh, some improvements

668
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:11,839
to their homes.
So we uh decided the board back then to

669
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:20,079
uh reduce or create a new zoning uh
classification of R six which is 5,000

670
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:25,599
square ft which uh for most of it uh uh
that satisfied

671
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:31,040
um them allowing to do things and having
not to jump over a couple of hurdles to

672
00:52:28,319 --> 00:52:38,160
do those improvements. There were some
that still had to fill out forms and and

673
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:45,200
uh uh jump over those hurdles uh to do
those improvements to their home. But

674
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:51,760
the question is what is the right size?
Obviously, you think about uh Friendship

675
00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:57,599
Village being a model here, but I
understand that there are smaller ones,

676
00:52:54,079 --> 00:53:05,119
but places like Larmore are bigger than
than uh uh that 5 acres, too. So,

677
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:11,200
and I asked Mike, uh you know, there's
nothing proposed, but where are you

678
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:15,839
thinking of putting uh these uh
senior living facilities? And because

679
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:22,720
nothing has been proposed yet, he didn't
have an answer for that. But there's a

680
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:28,880
whole lot of uh concern here. Uh I'd ask
that you uh not read this uh for a

681
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:35,599
second time tonight and possibly hold
the uh public hearing open till till

682
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:43,040
next month so other residents uh might
be able to come and add their comments.

683
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:48,480
Uh but um think about
what's the appropriate size uh for this

684
00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:55,280
and what are the appropriate
measurements, building size, setbacks,

685
00:53:51,680 --> 00:54:01,760
all that kind of stuff um that goes into
something like this. Uh I don't have the

686
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:05,839
answers uh but I I want to call that to
your attention to uh consent. So thank

687
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:09,280
you for your time.
>> Mr. Hardy, I also had the pleasure of

688
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:14,000
serving on the board of alderman with
you and Dr. Magguire during the process.

689
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,160
» Yeah.
>> of Lomar.

690
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:19,040
» Thank you.
>> I'm not that old.

691
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:23,119
» I'm not either.
>> That's a lie. [laughter]

692
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:27,040
» Are any other comments from the
audience?

693
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:32,920
» All right. We'll now close the public
hearing and move on to public comment.

694
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,920
Dr. Magcguire.

695
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:44,480
Doug Maguire, 12501 Merit Drive. Isn't
that right? Isn't that where I have to

696
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:49,119
go? [laughter] Okay. I get lost
sometime. Big deal. Anyway, I came up.

697
00:54:47,599 --> 00:54:55,599
Some of you don't always Friendship
Village or Peace Haven or [laughter]

698
00:54:52,800 --> 00:55:00,720
» Please, not quite yet.
Maybe next week.

699
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:07,359
Anyway, um some people here probably
don't know me, but I just retired last

700
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:13,280
month, uh in June after serving for 20
years, and I started out behind the

701
00:55:10,319 --> 00:55:18,559
desk. I was an alderman
with the aforementioned mayor, who I'm

702
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:25,200
so proud of, and and thank you for
putting up with me [laughter] for so

703
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:32,319
many years. We did a lot of good. But uh
I also uh want to thank my old I called

704
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:38,800
him the boss Gerald. What a work this
man is. He is such a valuable asset to

705
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:43,920
this city. The man not only does
everybody like him, especially the

706
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:49,520
people that work for him. But that's not
just here, it's everywhere we go, you

707
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:55,599
know, around the state. Everyone likes
Gerald. and and I really respect him for

708
00:55:52,799 --> 00:56:01,119
all the work he does. I know he's on top
of every single grant that we can get,

709
00:55:58,240 --> 00:56:06,319
which is what a modern-day parks board
is supposed to be all about. And he

710
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:13,200
certainly fits that bill. And if this
city ever loses him, we will be in a bad

711
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:16,618
place. He will be very hard to replace.
not as hard as me. But [laughter]

712
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:26,880
but I also wanted to tell you that I've
recently found myself in four major

713
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:33,359
categories these days. I'm a 20enter.
I'm a 4enter. I'm a 1enter and I'm a

714
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:40,559
less than 1enter.
Now the 20% is I'm one of the 20% people

715
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:45,760
that can drive a stick shift.
80% of the people nowadays cannot drive

716
00:56:43,119 --> 00:56:52,079
a stick shift car anymore, which is
ridiculous, but so I think, but what do

717
00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:56,960
I know? And the the less than 1%.
I've spent 20 years working for the

718
00:56:53,920 --> 00:57:01,119
city. Guess what? Nobody else. Hardly
anyone else. Well, sorry, Frank. You're

719
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:05,920
in that group [laughter]
and the mayor, but there's very, very

720
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:10,799
few that get that far. the [snorts]
other ones.

721
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:17,280
Um, [clears throat] 1%
I got drafted into the army in 1970

722
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:23,760
and only 1% of the United States
population serves in the military. Now,

723
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:28,400
I'm not telling you I wanted to go.
Vietnam was still cooking and if you got

724
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:33,920
drafted, you know where you were going
to go. And uh, it was not a pleasant

725
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:38,559
thing. And it was even worse when we got
home. Back in those days, I could not

726
00:57:36,799 --> 00:57:42,559
have stood up here and talked. They
would have told me to hit the door. We

727
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:48,079
were They all thought we were going to
freak out and blow everybody up.

728
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:54,640
Whatever. Anyway, but my 4% is something
we could all do. I'm one of the 4% of

729
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:59,119
Americans who give blood regularly.
And I would love to see this make

730
00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:03,839
America great again. You want to make
America great? Give your blood. give

731
00:58:01,839 --> 00:58:08,720
your organs. These are the things that
make America great. It's not money. It's

732
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:12,480
not all this crazy stuff that's going
on. And I don't want to tell you the

733
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:18,160
president was a draft dodger. Don't want
to say that cuz I did my duty. Anyway,

734
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:24,160
again, thank you, mayor, for all the
years. Gerald couldn't be happier with

735
00:58:21,599 --> 00:58:30,720
what we did and how things went. It's
going to continue. Oh, one more thing.

736
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:35,520
Please utilize the art committee when
things go through that are art related.

737
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:39,839
I think they should go through the art
committee.

738
00:58:37,359 --> 00:58:44,319
They need more to do too, you know, just
keep them busy. They have good ideas,

739
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:46,559
but always more to do. Thank you
everyone. Hope you have a pleasant

740
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:51,160
evening.
>> Thank you for your service, Dr.

741
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,160
Magcguire.

742
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:57,750
» Have any other public comments?
[laughter]

743
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:06,240
Do we have any other public comments?
Mrs. Gillette, have you received any?

744
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:13,680
Mrs. Stone, have you received any email?
Okay, moving on now to old business.

745
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:17,359
We have none. City official and
committee reports, city clerk, city

746
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:22,160
administrator, Mrs. Gillette. That'll be
hard to follow. Um, just a reminder that

747
00:59:20,319 --> 00:59:24,640
we do have two meetings next month. We
will have our regularly scheduled board

748
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:27,599
of alderman meeting and then we will
have our work session. We'll do that

749
00:59:26,319 --> 00:59:31,920
with the finance committee. That one
typically starts at 5:30 on the 4th

750
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:36,760
Tuesday. Thank you.
>> Director of finance, Mr. Tman.

751
00:59:37,839 --> 00:59:44,079
» Thank you, Madame Mayor. Uh, as I've
been talking about for the last several

752
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:47,839
months, tonight is the 2026 midyear
budget adjustment is in front of you. Um

753
00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:53,200
it was presented at the finance
committee in July and they unanimous

754
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:56,880
unanimously recommended uh for your
approval. It's on there for a second

755
00:59:54,960 --> 01:00:03,920
reading tonight which is per usual that
we do. Uh the overall adjustment is

756
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:07,119
favorable but favorable by 130,800.
Next month as Britney mentioned we'll

757
01:00:05,839 --> 01:00:10,640
have the two meetings. At the first
meeting we'll have the public hearing

758
01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:15,440
for the real estate and personal
property tax rates. Um, and then we'll

759
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:19,599
put the ordinance in that meeting as
well to be read. And then as Britney

760
01:00:17,839 --> 01:00:23,839
mentioned, uh, the second meeting is the
budget. So, right now, that's what

761
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:28,559
finance is involved in. That's what my
head's been in all day is 2027's budget.

762
01:00:26,799 --> 01:00:33,040
The city staff are preparing all their
capital uh, five-year capital plans. I'm

763
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:36,799
consolidating all that data and we're
putting it all together so that staff

764
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:42,160
can review all of that, put together all
the information for you all next month.

765
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:45,520
So, it's a busy time right now for us.
Thank you all for your time.

766
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:48,839
» Thank you very much, Chief of Police.
Chief Dodge.

767
01:00:50,079 --> 01:00:57,680
» Thank you, Mayor. Uh we finished up with
our last uh phone scam presentation uh

768
01:00:54,960 --> 01:01:04,319
last month. Uh overall, it was pretty
successful. We had uh over 40 people

769
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:09,680
attend um between the two presentations,
about 40 minutes of presentation, and

770
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:14,480
then about a half hour of of question uh
afterwards. So, everyone was really um

771
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:18,559
paying attention and into it and so
hopefully uh it, you know, it helped and

772
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:22,400
we might do this again sometime in the
near future. Um we did conduct some

773
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:27,680
active shooter training at Chestnut
Rehab uh conducted by Officer Greg

774
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:31,440
Schnitker and Detective Sergeant Pisker.
Um talked to him about what our response

775
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:35,680
would be, what they can do if god forbid
ever happens there. Um this is something

776
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:39,920
we have done for for businesses and
schools and and other entities. So

777
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:44,319
certainly if anybody is is interested in
that, just contact the PD and that's

778
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:49,280
something we can help them out with. Um
and then lastly, we uh have our uh body

779
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:53,440
cams and our new radios all up and
operational. A lot of hard work by

780
01:01:51,359 --> 01:01:58,000
Lieutenant Greg's Vital and uh Jeff
Morris um getting those systems up and

781
01:01:55,839 --> 01:02:01,119
running. Um so they really are a nice
upgrade from what we had before. So

782
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:04,960
we're very appreciative for that as well
because I know the board approved that.

783
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:07,760
So thank you on that one. And if anyone
has any questions,

784
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:10,480
» Alderman Davis.
>> Yes, ma'am.

785
01:02:08,319 --> 01:02:14,559
» Okay. I've been I think all of us
probably have been receiving those

786
01:02:11,839 --> 01:02:19,920
messages about flop cameras and the
audio being used and being and some

787
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:24,480
people doing things they shouldn't be
doing with them. So, how do we audit

788
01:02:22,319 --> 01:02:29,359
that? What's the process in Sunset
Hills? Well, we do have we do have a uh

789
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:35,440
policy concerning all our systems,
whether it's Flock,

790
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:41,040
um our body cams, uh Regis, any kind of
database that we are that we do have, we

791
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:46,160
we have a policy that says they are for
official use only and any use beyond

792
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:51,520
that can result in discipline up to and
including termination. So what we also

793
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:54,640
have done recently is we had all the
sergeants address this issue obviously

794
01:02:53,119 --> 01:02:59,040
because it is a hot button issue with
all the officers at all the roll calls

795
01:02:56,799 --> 01:03:05,599
to let them know hey this is something
that's obviously people are paying a lot

796
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:10,079
of attention to and again you know
readise them of the policy so to speak.

797
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:14,319
I myself has put have put out emails
concerning latest incidents that have

798
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:18,240
happened in the news that we've seen
that have resulted in officers getting

799
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:22,480
charged and fired and whatnot and just
reemphasized them to them. Hey, this is

800
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:25,520
just an very important database to us.
It really is. I asked our detectives

801
01:03:24,079 --> 01:03:29,680
today. I said, "Hey, what percentage do
you think of our cases that we go out

802
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:33,359
and solve do we utilize this flock
system?" And they said just about every

803
01:03:31,039 --> 01:03:36,000
one of them. Um I know it it also
prevented, you know, stop. We had car

804
01:03:34,799 --> 01:03:37,920
clottings really bad up at the Grand
View neighborhood. I don't know if you

805
01:03:37,039 --> 01:03:42,400
remember that. they were getting
hammered and uh including one incident

806
01:03:40,319 --> 01:03:46,160
where they uh had a subject go into one
of the garages armed with a pistol and

807
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:49,760
that was caught on camera. A flock
system was put into that neighborhood by

808
01:03:47,839 --> 01:03:54,400
that neighborhood and we haven't had a
problem since. Um same goes with the

809
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:58,079
Gravo Industrial neighborhood. We had uh
we they put in a flock system down

810
01:03:56,319 --> 01:04:01,359
there. We were getting hit there a
couple times a week. Haven't had a

811
01:03:59,839 --> 01:04:05,760
problem. So we really emphasize to the
officers, hey, this is too important of

812
01:04:03,119 --> 01:04:08,480
a system for us to mess up because if
this keeps on happening, that's that's

813
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:14,000
what will happen. People will take it
away. Now, we do have an audit system in

814
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:19,760
place that is uh uh Mary Eler is the one
who who gets a report at the end of the

815
01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:24,079
month. Every time you uh pull up a do a
flock search, you have to give a reason

816
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:28,079
and it has to have be a law enforcement
reason. And so those are reviewed every

817
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:31,680
month by uh Mary and also the
lieutenants as well. So this is

818
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:36,000
something we take very seriously and we
understand the concern too. Okay.

819
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:40,240
Privacy is very important to people but
this system is so important to us that

820
01:04:37,599 --> 01:04:43,680
we want to make sure that we have tight
controls on it to where people's

821
01:04:41,839 --> 01:04:46,559
privacies are are respected and we're
able to utilize this very important

822
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:51,039
tool.
>> How how widespread is the flock camera

823
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:54,480
used in Sunset Hills in subdivisions?
>> Well, we only have well we only have two

824
01:04:52,799 --> 01:04:59,119
cameras. The city itself only has two
cameras. Um but there's several

825
01:04:57,039 --> 01:05:02,000
neighborhoods I want to say. Yeah,
there's a I don't want to really put

826
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:05,920
them out there right now because these
things are getting cut down left and

827
01:05:03,359 --> 01:05:08,480
right, but um because that's that's a
big problem we have right now is the

828
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:12,319
vandalism with these things. They're
starting to uh cut cut them vandalize

829
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:16,559
them and do and other things to them.
So, we're aware of that and if that

830
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:20,319
happens, we will investigate that, too.
But, uh there are a lot of neighborhoods

831
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:23,280
that have utilized these that are
utilized these and they they're paid for

832
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:28,480
by the neighborhoods, just so we're
clear on that. um that can, you know,

833
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:30,799
alert us if if a stolen car comes in in
the neighborhood or something like that

834
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:34,000
because that that's the big thing about
a lot of the crimes are being committed.

835
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:37,440
They use stolen cars to commit these
crimes. And so, you know, if we get hit

836
01:05:36,079 --> 01:05:40,559
for a stolen car in a neighborhood, hey,
that's something we're going to want to

837
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:44,160
go and get there as quickly as possible.
So, it really is just a critical system

838
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:48,640
for us. So, we want to do everything we
can to make sure it's not abused and

839
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:52,720
that we can keep using the system.
>> So, I think I heard you say that more

840
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:56,720
than one person reviews if there's an
issue. It's not just you making the

841
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:58,640
decision, it's you plus. Is that
correct?

842
01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:01,920
» Yeah, we have we have we we just
recently it's started this because of

843
01:06:00,799 --> 01:06:05,200
everything that's going on. We've always
had the policy policyy's always been

844
01:06:03,359 --> 01:06:08,880
there, but yeah, it it's a there's a
report that's that's generated at at the

845
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:12,880
end of every month and it goes over
who's using the system and for what

846
01:06:11,119 --> 01:06:17,599
» and who reviews that.
>> Right now we have uh Mary Eler is kind

847
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:22,480
of our uh flock person, but then it can
also be she'll do that with a

848
01:06:19,839 --> 01:06:26,240
conjunction of lieutenants as well.
Thank you.

849
01:06:24,559 --> 01:06:30,960
» Any other questions for the chief?
>> This one goes I do have one. Go ahead.

850
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:33,280
» This one is about drones. Are we
considering having drones?

851
01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:36,799
» No.
>> Okay.

852
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:41,359
» Alderman Akens.
>> Thank you. I just had a quick question.

853
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:46,240
I noticed that Ward One accounts for
nine of July's 12 larsenies. And I was

854
01:06:44,319 --> 01:06:50,160
just wondering if there was a pattern
that Ward One residents need to know

855
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:54,720
about. Like is this one neighborhood? Is
this like random vehicle breakins? Just

856
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:57,280
anything that our residents need to
know?

857
01:06:55,280 --> 01:07:01,920
» Well, I think uh if I'm not mistaken,
that incorporates some of the business

858
01:06:59,599 --> 01:07:06,160
area. Correct. That's uh Home Depot and
that area in there. So, yeah, that's

859
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:08,400
that's just I think I'm I'm almost sure.
I'd have to look through it and I can

860
01:07:07,359 --> 01:07:11,440
get an answer for you, but I'm pretty
sure that's going to be like a lot of

861
01:07:09,839 --> 01:07:18,000
shopliftings and that kind of thing.
>> Okay. Thank you,

862
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:25,280
Alderman Freriedman. We um incorporated
uh double fines on

863
01:07:21,039 --> 01:07:30,079
» Denny are and it are the are any double
fine tickets being written or I know

864
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:33,680
that's a discret discretionary thing.
>> Well, I know the a bunch of tickets have

865
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:36,720
written have been written on there and
the officers are aware. I haven't

866
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:41,680
specifically checked the tickets to see
which ones have have been marked double

867
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:45,359
fine, but I think as far as I know they
they probably most of them have been. I

868
01:07:43,359 --> 01:07:51,039
but that's something I can look into.
>> That is some certainly that we can check

869
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:53,039
with the prosecutor as well.
>> Thank you very much, Chief.

870
01:07:52,319 --> 01:07:57,079
» Thank you,
>> city attorney, Mrs. Cely.

871
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:02,480
» Um, yes, I really don't have much
report. Still working on some things in

872
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:05,920
the background. So hopefully we'll be
able to bring some code amendments to

873
01:08:03,839 --> 01:08:08,319
you as we move those. But unless there's
any questions, that's all I have for

874
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:11,440
tonight. Okay.
>> Any questions for Mrs. Celely?

875
01:08:11,039 --> 01:08:17,040
» All right.
>> Thank you so much. Director of Planning

876
01:08:13,839 --> 01:08:21,600
and Public Works, Mr. Knight.
>> I'm back. Um, just a couple things

877
01:08:19,759 --> 01:08:26,159
tonight. Uh, one thing I want to make
the the board aware of is every 5 years

878
01:08:24,319 --> 01:08:31,520
we go out to bid for our trash, our
solid waste. Um, we have gone out to

879
01:08:28,480 --> 01:08:35,920
bid. Um, it's out there as once we get
our bids returned, we'll return back to

880
01:08:33,440 --> 01:08:40,480
committee and the board. Um, as we
typically would, uh, we've been talking

881
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:44,000
about another city entrance sign at
committee. you know, our city entrance

882
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:49,359
signs that sit on Lindberg at both
entrances. There's another location

883
01:08:46,159 --> 01:08:53,759
where we have an existing one on Watson
um just right as you cross the Crestwood

884
01:08:51,199 --> 01:08:57,120
border heading west talking to that
property owner about uh putting one on

885
01:08:56,000 --> 01:09:00,560
their property because they have to be
out of rightway. They're agreeable.

886
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:05,359
We're just going out there talking to
them and then u we'll program that in to

887
01:09:03,279 --> 01:09:10,560
the budget for next year or put it for
them. Um, so two projects. One,

888
01:09:08,159 --> 01:09:14,799
Kennerly, we talked about Kennerly Road
and the storm water infrastructure

889
01:09:12,719 --> 01:09:19,359
replacement that is needed. We had a
pre-construction meeting. Um, they

890
01:09:17,359 --> 01:09:24,080
talked about how this would be done.
It'll be a 4-day approach in which

891
01:09:21,839 --> 01:09:30,640
they'll have to close down the road for
4 days from 9:00 a.m. to 300 p.m. Um, we

892
01:09:27,839 --> 01:09:34,080
will get there the the big piece of
infrastructure is in production. So once

893
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:39,520
we know it's completed, which should
happen very soon, we'll have at least a

894
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:44,000
week's notice that we'll start um
communicating to the public of this road

895
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:47,199
closure. Um it's a 4 day, so we want to
start on a Monday. So we'll have, you

896
01:09:45,759 --> 01:09:51,279
know, however works out for that week
and start on a Monday. Um and which

897
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:55,679
again, it'll only be closed right at
that spot, but message boards, Facebook,

898
01:09:53,839 --> 01:10:01,440
all the ways that we communicate these
road closures um will implement. West

899
01:09:59,199 --> 01:10:06,320
Watson phase two. Again, we've been
talking about that one. So, we're at the

900
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:10,159
first phase of phase two. We were uh
Spire last time. They are currently

901
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:14,480
moving their infrastructure out of their
way. T-Hill is moving everywhere they

902
01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:19,360
can until they can close in, which is
where they were going to start and

903
01:10:16,239 --> 01:10:24,320
finish up. At earliest, we're projecting
end of September. Um and again, we

904
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:28,000
talked at committee level. We say within
two weeks once we get close enough to

905
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:33,280
where we can define a timeline but we're
two weeks back we'll start communicating

906
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:40,000
the second phase of that closure from
Pagata to the we'll call it the overpass

907
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:44,400
updates on both of those unless there's
any questions that's what I have

908
01:10:42,719 --> 01:10:51,600
contract
>> so end of this year so January 2027 is

909
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:56,080
when it would start to 31
>> Alderman Schwarz Yeah, Mike, can you

910
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:58,800
give me an update on the Onyx schedule
as well as the solar lights, speeds

911
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:02,000
lights?
>> Oh, yes. So, I'll I'll start with the

912
01:11:00,719 --> 01:11:06,159
solar lights because Jerry just
mentioned today that um he either just

913
01:11:04,719 --> 01:11:09,520
got them or he knows a date. So,
remember that was either next year or

914
01:11:07,679 --> 01:11:13,040
this year. We had funds in the budget,
so we did order them. So, that should

915
01:11:11,199 --> 01:11:17,600
happen fairly soon. Once he gets them,
he'll put them up. Um Onyx, we're still

916
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:21,199
looking at that September date, early
September. It hasn't changed since then.

917
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:26,640
» Okay. Thank you.
>> Mhm. Any other questions for Mr. Knight?

918
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:32,239
All right. Thank you very much. Director
of Parks and Recreation, Mr. Brown.

919
01:11:30,719 --> 01:11:36,320
» Thank you, Madam Mayor. Just a couple of
items. One is our tennis court. We will

920
01:11:34,239 --> 01:11:40,000
be holding our ribbon cutting ceremony
this Saturday at 10:00 a.m. Uh the

921
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:44,560
actual ribbon cutting will take place at
10:30. We're going to hold um clinics,

922
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:47,520
pickle ball clinics and tennis clinics.
They'll start at 10:00. They'll run till

923
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:50,320
noon. So, if you've never played tennis
or you want to understand how to play

924
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:54,000
pickle ball, we have people there to
show everyone. We'll also have barbecue

925
01:11:52,159 --> 01:11:57,760
for anyone that shows up after the
actual ribbon cutting. So, or if you

926
01:11:56,080 --> 01:12:02,239
haven't been by, there's two courts that
are 100% complete. Um, and by Friday,

927
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:06,480
we're supposed to have the other two
100% complete. Uh, they look fantastic.

928
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:11,280
I will say that the two that are
completely done look fantastic. So, um,

929
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:15,600
unfortunately, the tennis team couldn't
get on them today. They had still had to

930
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:20,239
dry. U, but they're they're um they're
wanting to get on them very quickly. So,

931
01:12:18,239 --> 01:12:24,400
uh, Sunset Nights, it's our annual
machine madness event. That's going to

932
01:12:22,239 --> 01:12:27,840
be held next Wednesday, August 19th,
6:00 to 8:00 p.m. It's going to be held

933
01:12:25,679 --> 01:12:31,199
at Minihaha Park. Compared to, in the
past, we've always held it here. It's

934
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:35,920
very cramped. A lot of large trucks,
dump trucks, mail trucks, army vehicles,

935
01:12:34,159 --> 01:12:39,520
police vehicles, fire trucks, you name
it, we have it where the kids can

936
01:12:37,199 --> 01:12:44,159
actually go in, hit the horn, so forth.
Um, that'll be from 6:00 to 8 on next

937
01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:50,199
Wednesday. We also have food trucks and
we have live music as well. So happy to

938
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:50,199
answer any other questions.

939
01:12:51,199 --> 01:12:54,560
» Oh, thank you.
>> Thank you very much, Mr. Brown.

940
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:56,880
» Mr. Brown,
>> one question

941
01:12:55,280 --> 01:13:01,840
» for Brian.
>> Are we going to be able to fish in that

942
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:06,560
lake anytime soon?
>> So, where we're at with that project, we

943
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:11,199
we had a survey conducted to do a
grading plan. Uh the issue at hand has

944
01:13:09,199 --> 01:13:16,159
always been about the watershed. We've
had numerous people out there, different

945
01:13:13,679 --> 01:13:20,000
contractors, architects, engineers
trying to do the calculations. Do we

946
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:23,040
attract enough water to keep the water
level at a certain height? So, there's

947
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:28,159
been discussion of putting an
agricultural well to help feed that to

948
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:31,199
offset that. Uh, but what we did was we
did a survey. We hired a company to come

949
01:13:29,679 --> 01:13:34,560
in and actually just do a grading plan,
very inexpensive survey, just to have

950
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:38,560
them come in, do a little light survey
where grading needs to be done and

951
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:43,600
pushed. Um, I hope to have a proposal by
the end of this week and we hope to

952
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:48,080
start to move dirt. You'll start to see
some movement. Um, will we be able to

953
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:52,560
fish in it this year?
>> I [laughter] I don't know. I I I don't

954
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:56,560
want to say yes, but maybe in December.
It might be uh fishing in December, but

955
01:13:55,199 --> 01:14:01,600
» ice fishing.
>> And they're referring to the Bander

956
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:04,159
Property Fishing Lake for children. That
is correct.

957
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:07,840
» That the foundation is supporting.
>> Correct. And Mr. and the steering

958
01:14:06,159 --> 01:14:13,520
family. So,
>> so it is it's moving along and I do

959
01:14:10,719 --> 01:14:18,239
apologize for the delay. It's just been
a bigger project than we anticipated it

960
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:22,320
to be trying to do it in-house. So,
>> well, we are making interest on the

961
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:25,520
money sitting there. So, that's good.
>> Yeah, it wasn't the intention. The

962
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:29,360
intention was we really thought we could
do it all in house and it's just been

963
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:33,280
become a bigger job than our six guys
doing it. So,

964
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:36,400
» thank you, Mr. Brown. Moving on to
committee reports, finance committee,

965
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:40,251
Alderman Fernandez.
>> Thank you, Madame Mayor. Appreciate

966
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:45,199
that. And it is open for swimming. Uh
[laughter]

967
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:50,239
mumbo, if you're right down. Yes.
So, as uh Mr. Treman noted, we met on

968
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:53,120
the 27th of July and spent a fair amount
of time going through the budget

969
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:56,080
adjustments. Uh that's important because
year to year, these things are just hard

970
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:59,120
to follow. Uh there's just timing delays
and things. Um but to his point,

971
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:02,960
unanimously approved those. So, thank
you. Um, additionally, we did spend a

972
01:15:01,199 --> 01:15:05,520
fair amount of time also talking about
Prop P and everything that's coming

973
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:08,400
ahead. I know we have a steering
committee is dealing with that, but

974
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:12,159
really diving deeply in these numbers
and the committee is really excited um

975
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:16,800
to do some work on that. So, appreciate
that. More to report next month.

976
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:21,600
» Any questions for Alderman Fernandez.
Okay. Thank you very much. Parks and

977
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:26,640
Recreation Commission. Alderman Davis.
>> Thank you. Um, our August meeting is

978
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:30,880
going to be a walkthrough of Watson
Trail Park. in case you haven't been

979
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:34,560
there recently. It looks fabulous. Thank
you, sir, for all the work you're doing.

980
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:42,400
Can't believe your head's not this big
already from what Doug said. So, we also

981
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:48,640
have repair going on in both Minihaha
and Watson Trail with asphalt and

982
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:54,719
overlays. And we have a day the day camp
ended. We had 80 children attend on a

983
01:15:51,199 --> 01:16:00,239
weekly basis. And our annual dog splash
event will be September 9th and 11th.

984
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:03,600
And that's all I have to report.
>> Thank you very much. Police Advisory

985
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:08,239
Board, Alderman Columbo.
>> We will meet next Tuesday, but I would

986
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:13,280
like to add I had lunch with the police
chief of Maplewood today and he is going

987
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:17,600
to have to go in front of his board to
justify keeping the flock cameras and he

988
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:22,239
actually thinks he's going to lose. So,
it's thankful to our alderman, our

989
01:16:20,159 --> 01:16:26,800
residents, the support they show our law
enforcement that we get to keep tools

990
01:16:24,480 --> 01:16:31,520
like that to keep our community safer.
So, it is very important that we

991
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:34,320
maintain those
>> very much public works committee

992
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:39,120
alderman dos.
>> Thank you, Madam Mayor.

993
01:16:35,679 --> 01:16:44,640
» Uh, Mr. Knight, you were very uh concise
in your report, so I edited a lot of my

994
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:48,800
notes. So, here are the things that Mike
didn't bring up. So, I give you new

995
01:16:46,480 --> 01:16:54,000
information. Uh, during the public
comment time, Alderman Freeman led a

996
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:58,880
discussion on city assistance for
private street maintenance in terms of

997
01:16:55,840 --> 01:17:02,000
specifications and bid costing. It was a
very good discussion.

998
01:16:59,920 --> 01:17:05,000
» Turn on your mic, please turn on your
mic.

999
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:09,199
» I thought I was loud enough anyway, but
okay.

1000
01:17:08,159 --> 01:17:15,760
» Usually, you are.
>> Yeah, I know. I know. [laughter]

1001
01:17:12,719 --> 01:17:20,400
Um we then move to a discussion on
contractor selection results concerning

1002
01:17:18,159 --> 01:17:25,280
chip seal
and the difference in results between

1003
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:30,159
residential streets versus higher
traffic arterial streets. It was very

1004
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:35,679
good discussion.
We then talked about contract

1005
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:39,679
communication to our residents
and we talked about what has been on the

1006
01:17:38,239 --> 01:17:44,239
past and what we were doing moving
forward. And as Mike alluded to, but we

1007
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:50,400
discussed it, it seems the sweet spot
was two weeks. So, we all agreed on

1008
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:56,560
that. Um, I brought up Weber Hill
traffic.

1009
01:17:52,400 --> 01:18:03,600
That's in Ward 4. And some of the
residents would like to see a no through

1010
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:09,280
traffic sign on West Watson for people
that are turning from Highway 30 because

1011
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:14,560
they don't know after they've turned
they don't know that it's no through

1012
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:18,880
traffic many times till they get to
Weber Hill. So where are they going to

1013
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:25,360
go? They're either going to back up or
going to go up Weber Hill. So I think

1014
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:31,600
it's important for that. Um on waste
collection, we had a resident come and

1015
01:18:27,679 --> 01:18:37,280
talk to us about his bad experiences
with Eagle. Uh my experiences personally

1016
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:43,600
have been very good, but his were not.
And he wanted us to consider a second

1017
01:18:40,480 --> 01:18:52,640
vendor as well as getting options for
two pickups a week as well as getting

1018
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:57,520
options for bulk pickup on demand. So,
I've talked a little bit about that with

1019
01:18:54,640 --> 01:19:04,320
Britney and we can discuss this if you
all want to, but those were some of the

1020
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:08,400
points made there. And um that's about
it. Thank you, Madame Mayor.

1021
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:12,719
» Okay. Thank you very much. Moving on now
to new business, bill number 149. Would

1022
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:19,340
you please read that for us, Alderman
Doss?

1023
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:19,340
» It's on, Frank. [laughter]

1024
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:28,000
149, an ordinance approving and adopting
a budget adjustment for the 2020 2026

1025
01:19:26,239 --> 01:19:32,040
budget.
Move to suspend the rules.

1026
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:39,040
» Second.
>> Motion was made by Alderman Doss,

1027
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:42,719
seconded by Alderman Aikens to suspend
the rules for bill number 149. Roll call

1028
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:44,480
vote, please.
>> Alderman Daw,

1029
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:49,440
» discussion.
>> Oh, discussion. Alderman Freeman.

1030
01:19:46,239 --> 01:19:53,120
» This is budget adjustments. Um, why did
the

1031
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:58,480
» I'm sorry, Frank. [laughter]
Why did the pension contribution rate

1032
01:19:55,600 --> 01:20:04,480
increase?
>> It changes every year.

1033
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:08,080
» Okay. And is that a statutory? I Is it a
statutory thing? Is it a formula thing?

1034
01:20:06,719 --> 01:20:12,320
» It's a formula thing. It's based on the
valuation of our plan and the age of our

1035
01:20:10,480 --> 01:20:14,080
employees and it just changes every
year.

1036
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:18,560
» And who increases it?
>> Loggers. Yes, ma'am.

1037
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:23,760
And how is there a loss on the cell
phone tower? What is PV adjustment?

1038
01:20:22,719 --> 01:20:27,679
» Go ahead.
>> Yeah. [clears throat]

1039
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:31,120
» So, that is a present value adjustment
that I had to do for our Sorry, I

1040
01:20:30,025 --> 01:20:37,120
[clears throat] lost my voice a couple
days ago and I'm still recovering. Um,

1041
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:40,320
we have our cell tower lease with AT&T,
>> right?

1042
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:45,920
» And we receive checks from them every
month. Well, they have a portion of

1043
01:20:42,719 --> 01:20:50,880
those checks is for like dish revenue,
and we were informed in February of this

1044
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:55,280
year that $550 that we got every month
that was part of a rent check uh payment

1045
01:20:53,040 --> 01:21:01,520
is no longer going to be continuing into
the future. And this lease goes through

1046
01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:06,000
2039, the beginning of 24th. So, I had
to recalculate what the receivable is

1047
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:10,960
for that entire lease. And by doing
that, by removing that 550 every month,

1048
01:21:08,239 --> 01:21:18,159
that's the adjustment to get it to a new
present value for for our balance sheet.

1049
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:21,840
» Okay, that that's an asset though. I
mean, that gets you to the asset.

1050
01:21:19,679 --> 01:21:25,120
» Setting liability is deferred income,
>> right?

1051
01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:28,960
» Okay.
>> Right. So,

1052
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:32,880
» so we're going to get $550 less a month.
>> Yes.

1053
01:21:29,679 --> 01:21:35,120
» Okay. That's just going to happen. Okay.
But we had already showed it as an asset

1054
01:21:34,480 --> 01:21:40,640
on the
>> I had to reduce the asset the liability

1055
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:48,080
offsetting. That was the difference.
>> Okay. And how about correcting the

1056
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:50,960
$25,000 correcting wage allocation?
>> Yes, ma'am.

1057
01:21:48,719 --> 01:21:55,120
» On full-time aquatic.
>> Yes, ma'am. Uh I would say that was just

1058
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:59,840
an error on my part. I had we had
another employee that got added to the

1059
01:21:57,360 --> 01:22:04,719
pool this last year and when I had their
salaries the other employee had their

1060
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:08,560
salaries split between general and pool
and I copied that formula down and then

1061
01:22:06,719 --> 01:22:13,280
I discovered the error here. So that's
correcting that error.

1062
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:16,800
» Okay. Okay. Thank you. All right. We
have a motion and a second to suspend

1063
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:18,800
the rules. Roll call vote, please.
>> Alderman Dawze.

1064
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:22,000
» I.
>> Alderman Freriedman I.

1065
01:22:20,719 --> 01:22:24,400
» Alderman Wagel
>> I.

1066
01:22:22,639 --> 01:22:26,320
» Alderman Columbbo. I
>> Alderman Schwarz.

1067
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:28,080
» I
>> Alderman Davis.

1068
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:30,080
» I
>> Alderman Akens.

1069
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:31,840
» I
>> Alderman Fernandez.

1070
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:34,480
» I
>> Eight eyes's.

1071
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:39,360
» Thank you. Alderman Daws, would you
please read bill number 149 for a second

1072
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:44,000
reading?
>> Bill number 149, an ordinance approving

1073
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:49,360
and adopting a budget adjustment for the
2026 budget. Move to approve.

1074
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:53,600
» Second.
>> She was made by Alderman Daws, seconded

1075
01:22:51,199 --> 01:22:55,679
by Alderman Davis. Roll call vote,
please.

1076
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:57,760
» Alderman Fernandez,
>> I.

1077
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:59,840
» Alderman Akens,
>> I.

1078
01:22:58,639 --> 01:23:02,000
» Alderman Davis,
>> I.

1079
01:23:00,719 --> 01:23:05,360
» Alderman Schwarz,
>> I.

1080
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:06,880
» Hi.
>> Wigle.

1081
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:08,639
» I.
>> Alderman Freriedman.

1082
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:15,560
» I.
>> Alderman Daws. Eight eyes.

1083
01:23:12,239 --> 01:23:15,560
» Thank you,

1084
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:24,400
Mrs. Stone. I don't have the sheet to
write that down on. So, we will have to

1085
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:27,520
uh
>> I think it's 24. Let me look it up

1086
01:23:26,480 --> 01:23:29,280
really quick, mayor. Sorry.
>> Oh, wait a minute. It's hidden. I'm

1087
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:32,400
sorry.
>> You get it?

1088
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:36,159
» Yes. Bill number 149 becomes ordinance
number 2428.

1089
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:40,960
» Perfect.
>> It's stuck under my agenda.

1090
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:46,320
Bill number 150. Would you please read
that for us? Alderman Freriedman.

1091
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:50,719
» Madame Mayor. Bill number 150, an
ordinance amending various sections of

1092
01:23:48,480 --> 01:23:55,600
the unified development ordinance
relating to recreational land use. First

1093
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:59,679
reading.
>> Alderman Columbo.

1094
01:23:57,120 --> 01:24:04,719
» Yeah, I'd like to
make a motion to amend that or

1095
01:24:03,199 --> 01:24:10,239
it's in relation to the parking
requirement. Um, with the one per 200

1096
01:24:07,679 --> 01:24:13,520
being too restrictive, one per 600 too
liberal,

1097
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:18,400
I'd like to figure out a balance
somewhere in there um that would be

1098
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:29,239
acceptable to all, whether that's one
per 400, one per 350, or one per 300.

1099
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:29,239
Um, and if I go back off of my notes,

1100
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:42,400
you had a one per 400, a one per 480, a
one per 335, a one per 700, a one per

1101
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:50,000
600.
>> Um, at the other places that I sort of

1102
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:53,120
looked into that were similar. Um,
I I don't know. I'm I'm I'm willing to

1103
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:56,880
hear from.
>> Do you have any recommendations?

1104
01:24:55,440 --> 01:25:01,040
» I said during the public hearing I can
look into it, but five per thousand is

1105
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:03,440
what I went with, but I gladly do, but I
don't have another number like pocketed

1106
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:07,360
ready to go.
>> Do you have a number you'd buy?

1107
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:10,880
» I I
mean, I don't know that one per 400

1108
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:16,080
might seem a little high, so maybe one
per 350. I think that kind of splits it

1109
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:21,760
a little bit where it it's not so
restrictive that will you know and what

1110
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:27,280
I go off of is
like Spirit Gymnastics if if that if

1111
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:32,080
they were to try and do now
what they've been doing with their

1112
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:36,000
14,000 square ft you know currently have
27 spots and they're they are utilizing

1113
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:39,760
a couple of spots just random them
around the back so say an extra five

1114
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:44,880
spots
32 spots just by our ordinance, they'd

1115
01:25:42,639 --> 01:25:49,600
have to have 70 just for the gymnastics
portion and then still provide for the

1116
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:54,159
other
20,000 square feet of light and you know

1117
01:25:51,440 --> 01:26:01,639
so it it gets really burdensome to try
and meet that threshold so that maybe

1118
01:25:56,320 --> 01:26:01,639
one per 350 I mean it seems

1119
01:26:04,639 --> 01:26:11,199
I'm sorry Fred
>> I don't want to interrupt you

1120
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:14,960
just wanted to hear what you had to
safe. But

1121
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:19,679
» do we Okay, if we did, how many parking
spots are there right now? Can we get

1122
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:24,639
into some actual data?
>> I think we should be very careful not to

1123
01:26:21,440 --> 01:26:28,480
focus solely on one
>> user while we're talking about amending

1124
01:26:27,440 --> 01:26:33,360
as a whole for the whole thing.
>> What you're saying could be very very

1125
01:26:30,159 --> 01:26:36,880
reasonable. I just don't have a concept
of what is reasonable. Well, and that's

1126
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:41,600
why I was trying to give examples that
we currently have in those areas, you

1127
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:48,000
know, like Veta 60 spots and that's
including, I believe, three handicap

1128
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:53,120
spots for 45 to 50,000 square feet. So,
that's very they're they're above the

1129
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:58,320
one per 600, but I don't know that it's
ever full or not full. I just you never

1130
01:26:55,679 --> 01:27:03,440
hear anybody. May I f may I follow up
with something just Okay. So listening

1131
01:27:01,679 --> 01:27:09,840
to the gentleman in the previous
meeting, I think I have a pretty good

1132
01:27:05,199 --> 01:27:15,280
concept of what is being proposed.
When I've gone to a facility like this

1133
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:21,679
in Denver with my grandchildren,
there are various pitching components

1134
01:27:18,639 --> 01:27:26,159
that are pretty much one onone with with
the teacher and and and things. There's

1135
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:30,400
a catcher, of course.
There is probably in the Denver place

1136
01:27:28,239 --> 01:27:34,159
there were probably three or four maybe
yeah three or four at the most batting

1137
01:27:32,639 --> 01:27:40,880
stations.
In those there might have been 10, 12,

1138
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:44,880
13, 14 kids and a number of instructed.
Once they got into the cage they

1139
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:52,000
obviously swung but they worked with
them out of the cage. So if you multiply

1140
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:59,280
that, there might have been between the
pitching and the batting maybe

1141
01:27:55,760 --> 01:28:02,719
40 50 kids there. I don't know how many
parking spots that would require.

1142
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:06,639
Everything you're saying seems to make
sense to me, but I [snorts] have no

1143
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:12,800
concept.
I if you go by the facility that they're

1144
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:17,760
currently sharing with another
baseball group, right?

1145
01:28:15,440 --> 01:28:21,520
They have 27 spots in front of that and
that's next door to the basketball

1146
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:26,800
facility that my daughter goes to. So, I
see the parking and they're not spilling

1147
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:30,719
into our basketball parking
utilizing those spots. So, I'm

1148
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:35,280
comfortable. I mean, it's still going to
require them

1149
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:38,080
40 spots, I believe, or 50 spots in that
particular instance, which is way more

1150
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:44,400
than what we're requiring Spirit
Gymnastics or Vetta to have per square

1151
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:48,239
foot. So, I that's why I think we just
kind of balance it out and let Mike

1152
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:52,960
maybe verify some of the things that
I've seen here, but I would move to

1153
01:28:50,639 --> 01:28:58,400
amend the one per 350. And if it's too
liberal, when we go to the second

1154
01:28:54,320 --> 01:29:01,520
reading, we could change it.
>> Yeah. I think there's also other

1155
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:04,880
resources, right? So like there's other
cities, they have these in their

1156
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:09,679
regulations. We can take a look at some
other cities. There is just engineering

1157
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:13,679
transportation manuals that provide
numbers. So the IT parking generation

1158
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:17,600
manual, I think they're on their sixth
edition. Let's see what they have. Let's

1159
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:20,400
see what other cities have. I mean, we
we can put one per three, but that's

1160
01:29:19,199 --> 01:29:23,199
just what the draft ordinance will be in
front of you. But I can always still

1161
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:27,280
come back with that information and I
think answer some of these questions

1162
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:31,520
that we're talking about now.
>> All right. So, do you want to continue

1163
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:35,600
tonight to amend it or do you want to
wait until next month after more

1164
01:29:33,679 --> 01:29:40,719
research has been completed?
>> And I'd make a motion to amend now and

1165
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:46,000
then figure out if we went
>> too too far one way or the other.

1166
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:50,080
» Motion to amend to that number. Yes.
Okay.

1167
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:57,840
» Okay. There's a motion to amend bill
number 150 to allow for parking one to

1168
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:59,440
350. one per 350 gross feet area.
>> Have a second.

1169
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:02,159
» Yes.
>> Alderman Schwarz made a second to that

1170
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:06,760
motion.
>> Yes.

1171
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:06,760
» To to the amendment.

1172
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:12,840
» Um roll call vote for the amendment.

1173
01:30:14,480 --> 01:30:20,320
» Aldering Columbbo.
>> That mean

1174
01:30:17,199 --> 01:30:27,440
» you Yes. Voting for the amendment.
>> I couldn't hear. [laughter]

1175
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:29,280
» Hi Davis Bernins
>> I

1176
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:31,679
» Alderman Fernandez
>> I

1177
01:30:30,239 --> 01:30:34,480
» Alderman Wel
>> I

1178
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:37,280
» Alderman Freriedman
>> Alderman Daws

1179
01:30:36,239 --> 01:30:42,080
» eight eyes.
>> So next month bill number 150 will be

1180
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:46,400
read as amended
for the second reading. All right. Bill

1181
01:30:44,480 --> 01:30:52,000
number 151. Will you please read that
for us? Alderman Schwarz.

1182
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:56,320
Bill number 151, an ordinance amending
various sections of the unified

1183
01:30:54,400 --> 01:31:04,000
development ordinance relating to
creating a senior living SL zoning

1184
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:07,000
district. First reading
>> second

1185
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:13,000
a motion for the second reading is that
>> yes

1186
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:22,639
can second my motion. I'd like to make a
motion to um I know it's the first

1187
01:31:18,719 --> 01:31:29,199
reading to uh ask staff to come back to
us with an option for

1188
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:34,719
looking at this as a use without having
a senior living district that we could

1189
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:42,063
look at it side by side.
>> I would second that.

1190
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:44,719
» And I I don't know if that I'll Okay.
[laughter] I was going to say you did.

1191
01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:47,520
» That's a good idea.
>> Okay.

1192
01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:51,360
» Second it should second.
>> Doss did. Okay. There's a motion.

1193
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:56,960
» Sorry.
>> To uh ask staff to come back and ask for

1194
01:31:54,400 --> 01:32:04,480
an option
use without senior living.

1195
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:10,320
» Did I rephrase that correctly? to to
amend the UDO in such a way as to make

1196
01:32:07,440 --> 01:32:13,320
the various nursing home planned
retirement

1197
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:19,120
um permitted or conditional uses rather
than establish an entire new zoning

1198
01:32:18,480 --> 01:32:22,320
district.
>> Mike, are you comfortable that that's

1199
01:32:20,719 --> 01:32:26,400
not too big of a change? They would have
to go back to planning and zoning.

1200
01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:29,760
» So, I understand I was I don't know if
that's how the public hearing was

1201
01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:35,760
actually advertised. If it just said
senior living uses or the SL district,

1202
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:38,560
» we would need to start over.
>> But would it matter how it advertised?

1203
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:42,880
Because
>> if it just

1204
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:48,000
» I think it is I
>> just because when I

1205
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:54,960
» because if it's looking at that and it's
not a timely issue. I mean

1206
01:32:52,719 --> 01:32:58,080
» no no it's not a time you should want to
follow the processes advertised

1207
01:32:57,040 --> 01:33:02,239
appropriately.
>> Yeah.

1208
01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:06,400
I mean I think that is fairly different
concept

1209
01:33:03,440 --> 01:33:10,800
» right and I think you're right
>> yes so then we need updated motion to

1210
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:13,920
bring it back right
>> so would we

1211
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:18,000
» I would like to make a motion to remand
this to public

1212
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:22,719
» to planning and zoning that would
include

1213
01:33:20,480 --> 01:33:28,800
» the option the the ordinance brought to
us today along with an optional

1214
01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:35,440
ordinance that would uh present this as
planned and conditional uses for

1215
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:39,520
» in an existing district
>> for retireing

1216
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:40,480
homes assisted.
>> Yeah.

1217
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:45,840
» Mhm.
>> We already had a motion and a second.

1218
01:33:42,239 --> 01:33:47,440
Are you withdrawing the first one?
>> Yes.

1219
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:52,480
» Yes.
>> Okay. So, now we have another one.

1220
01:33:49,920 --> 01:34:00,080
» Do we have a second?
>> Yes. a motion and a second from Alderman

1221
01:33:56,480 --> 01:34:03,679
Donis. Um, would you like that read
again so everyone understands please

1222
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:10,000
what they're voting on?
>> Okay. [laughter] Cuz I'm like ah [gasps]

1223
01:34:07,760 --> 01:34:16,080
I will I will try to rephrase this more
artfully.

1224
01:34:12,159 --> 01:34:22,480
I'm making a motion to remand
this ordinance to planning and zoning

1225
01:34:19,440 --> 01:34:28,400
and include with it a draft ordinance as
an alternative that would present

1226
01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:32,159
assisted retirement centers, nursing
homes,

1227
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:38,560
and the other uses
>> plan retirement care center. Yes, the

1228
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:46,800
four uses um as permitted or conditional
uses in the commercial districts

1229
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:51,040
and any amendments, you know, if if
section five needed to be amended to

1230
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:56,800
include that.
>> Okay, we have a motion by Alderman

1231
01:34:53,280 --> 01:35:00,639
Freriedman, a second by Alderman Daws.
Uh roll call vote. May I ask a

1232
01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:04,639
clarifying question?
>> Yes, there discussion. Alderman Akens,

1233
01:35:02,639 --> 01:35:08,080
» I just want to clarify. You're asking
for them to bring two different

1234
01:35:06,159 --> 01:35:12,400
versions. Is that correct?
>> Well, if you'd rather bring it to the

1235
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:17,120
board for discussion rather than I
understand what you're saying.

1236
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:20,960
» Yeah. It's just a little confusing to
present two ordinances going through the

1237
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:25,199
public hearing process, but say you get
to pick one. That's not okay. The

1238
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:29,840
standard. I I actually would prefer the
idea of bringing it for a discussion and

1239
01:35:27,679 --> 01:35:33,280
then you guys giving us direction from
that point if which one you want to move

1240
01:35:31,440 --> 01:35:37,199
forward with. I think that's a lot
cleaner.

1241
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:39,840
» Are you withdrawing are you withdrawing
this ordinance and second?

1242
01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:44,416
» Is this the third time?
>> Yes, madam. Yes, madame mayor. Yes,

1243
01:35:42,480 --> 01:35:47,520
ma'am. [laughter]
[gasps]

1244
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:53,920
» Okay. So, we're starting fresh now.
>> Okay. to direct staff to bring to the

1245
01:35:50,960 --> 01:36:00,080
board an alternative
draft ordinance for consideration that

1246
01:35:57,040 --> 01:36:07,280
would include making assisted
retirement centers um nursing homes and

1247
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:10,560
planned retirements assisted living
>> nursing homes and um

1248
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:13,040
» rehabilitation
>> planners

1249
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:19,280
» center
>> as permitted andor conditional uses in

1250
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:20,880
the general general
the commercial district.

1251
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:26,639
» Commercial
>> unlimited commercial district.

1252
01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:30,480
» Thank you for destruction.
>> All right. Now, do we have a second?

1253
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:33,679
» Yes, Madam Mayor.
>> Thank you.

1254
01:36:31,199 --> 01:36:37,471
» Seconded the motion.
>> Okay.

1255
01:36:35,199 --> 01:36:39,360
» So, can I get some clarification?
[clears throat]

1256
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:41,679
» Alderman Columbo.
>> So, we just had a first reading of this

1257
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:44,880
bill.
>> So, we'll still have a second reading of

1258
01:36:43,199 --> 01:36:47,840
this bill next month.
>> Is that correct?

1259
01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:52,239
» We don't have to. There's nothing that
requires it go back on. So I would

1260
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:56,159
» drawn their motions and their seconds,
>> right? So it's still alive.

1261
01:36:54,239 --> 01:37:00,320
» Not this bill though. It's
>> the bill is still alive. It does not

1262
01:36:58,159 --> 01:37:04,080
have to be placed on the next agenda. So
what we'll do is put both of these on

1263
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:08,159
for discussion and then if you guys
choose to move forward with with the one

1264
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:13,360
that exists now, we can put that on for
second reading at the October meeting.

1265
01:37:11,360 --> 01:37:16,159
If you choose to move forward with the
one that allows permitted and

1266
01:37:14,639 --> 01:37:20,400
conditional uses within general
commercial districts, that process will

1267
01:37:18,480 --> 01:37:23,920
have to start over because it is too big
of a change to say, "Hey, we've already

1268
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:27,119
advertised this as a public hearing
because technically we have not." So,

1269
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:32,159
we'll start that process back over.
It'll just pause bill 151 and it has to

1270
01:37:30,639 --> 01:37:33,679
go back through planning and zoning
again. Yeah.

1271
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:38,880
» Correct.
>> Okay. All right. So, do you all

1272
01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:42,400
understand what you're voting on?
>> Oh, sure.

1273
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:43,760
» Okay. Call vote.
>> Freriedman.

1274
01:37:43,199 --> 01:37:45,600
» Hi.
>> Alderman Daws.

1275
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:47,440
» Hi.
>> Alderman Andez.

1276
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:49,679
» Hi.
>> Alderman Aikens.

1277
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:53,080
» Hi.
>> Alderman Davis.

1278
01:37:54,107 --> 01:37:59,400
[laughter]
>> Um. I

1279
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:07,040
» Aldrick Columbbo.
>> Nay.

1280
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:11,840
» I. [clears throat]
>> Seven eyes. One. Nay.

1281
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:15,600
We'll put it on for discussion in
September.

1282
01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:20,960
» All right. Moving on now for
appointments. Peter Rodic, Parks and

1283
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:28,400
Recreation Commission, term to expire
811 2031. That would be in Ward 3. Jill

1284
01:38:26,159 --> 01:38:35,280
Aresky, Chairman, Parks and Recreation
Commission, term to expire 1820.

1285
01:38:33,199 --> 01:38:39,440
And uh would you like to take these
together or individually?

1286
01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:47,840
» Together.
Um if you said the parks um ward I I

1287
01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:52,320
missed it. I know Mr. Rodic is three
>> is Jill Archeski is in Jill. She's

1288
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:55,760
already on. This is just the appointment
of a chairman. This is not a new

1289
01:38:53,840 --> 01:39:00,960
appointment. Yes, we lost our chairman.
>> But there's been some confusion about

1290
01:38:57,520 --> 01:39:04,560
wards. So she is she's W
>> she's W two and already on the board. So

1291
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:08,960
it's not filling a vacancy or something.
It's just filling the position that Doug

1292
01:39:06,639 --> 01:39:15,040
just left as chairman. She's taking over
as chairman, but continuing her term on

1293
01:39:11,679 --> 01:39:19,280
parks and recreation.
>> Okay, we have a motion to take them both

1294
01:39:17,199 --> 01:39:20,560
together from Alderman Dawze. Is there a
second?

1295
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:24,159
» Second.
>> Motion was made by Alderman Columbo. All

1296
01:39:22,719 --> 01:39:30,560
in favor?
>> I oppose. All right, we will notify them

1297
01:39:27,119 --> 01:39:34,639
of their new jobs. Uh any items under
general discussion?

1298
01:39:33,199 --> 01:39:41,119
Alderman Freriedman.
>> Um yeah, actually a couple. Um the just

1299
01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:47,760
to give an update on uh the steering
committee um

1300
01:39:44,320 --> 01:39:52,719
about the uh storm water and parks tax.
Um first of all, we keep talking about

1301
01:39:50,800 --> 01:40:00,000
Prop Ps
and we already have a Prop P fund. I I'd

1302
01:39:56,560 --> 01:40:08,880
prefer we call this storm water
storm water or parks fund or SP but we

1303
01:40:05,440 --> 01:40:12,560
isn't isn't it Prop P funds? Yeah. So
>> So there's there will be confusion

1304
01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:17,040
moving forward. I'm afraid there's
already Prop Ps for the police

1305
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:22,800
department.
>> Okay. But it is Prop Ps and it's just

1306
01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:26,000
the second phase of it maybe.
>> No, they're two very separate things.

1307
01:40:25,119 --> 01:40:32,880
Prop P.
>> Prop P doesn't stop. That is effective

1308
01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:36,480
right now until next April.
>> No, there are Prop funds

1309
01:40:35,199 --> 01:40:41,119
» account um the county
>> fund number 15.

1310
01:40:39,199 --> 01:40:42,719
» You're talking about the funds that go
to the police.

1311
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:47,920
» Correct. The county.
>> If we're going to be talking about Prop

1312
01:40:44,480 --> 01:40:52,480
P, we'd have two Prop Ps. I just think
calling

1313
01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:58,480
the the storm water parks or park storm
water a different thing might be

1314
01:40:55,679 --> 01:41:00,080
» but it was passed as proposition P.
>> Okay.

1315
01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:06,320
» So,
>> okay. So, we'll have two prop P funds.

1316
01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:09,440
» We call we've always labeled the it
parks and stormwater fund on all of your

1317
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:15,119
account information.
>> Yeah. Okay. Well, we met and we gathered

1318
01:41:12,719 --> 01:41:19,440
a lot of information about the current
we've met twice. uh current and

1319
01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:24,880
historical uh funding of the parks and
recreation department. And when we say

1320
01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:32,560
that, we include pools. Um Natalie has
taken two big unwieldy master plans and

1321
01:41:28,719 --> 01:41:38,719
consolidated them into a workbook with
um notes that help us to help us focus

1322
01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:44,159
on um relative priorities between the
two plans. And Mark has met with Gerald

1323
01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:50,159
to discuss his top Gerald's top
priorities. So, thanks to um Britney and

1324
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:55,920
Jeff and Gerald for
all of this advanced information. And a

1325
01:41:53,040 --> 01:42:01,440
couple um things caught our attention.
Um first, we need to get our arms around

1326
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:06,719
how parks is budgeted between the
general fund, the capital fund, and the

1327
01:42:03,679 --> 01:42:11,199
storm water tax dollars. From year to
year, it appears that different line

1328
01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:16,159
items of the budget are paid from
different funds. And it seems to us that

1329
01:42:14,159 --> 01:42:20,159
this should be evaluated and
standardized.

1330
01:42:17,840 --> 01:42:25,840
Second, as we were looking at this
information, it it occurred that all of

1331
01:42:23,119 --> 01:42:34,719
this falls into the larger picture of
funding priorities across the city. Um,

1332
01:42:30,639 --> 01:42:41,440
you know, there were 30 or 32 people
that that said their top priority in the

1333
01:42:37,679 --> 01:42:47,920
comments were sidewalks. So that that
falls into you know kind of the larger

1334
01:42:43,920 --> 01:42:54,159
city and the the best practice we think
is to understand the obligations the

1335
01:42:50,320 --> 01:43:00,639
city has on its books now in the form of
existing assets particularly

1336
01:42:57,280 --> 01:43:05,520
aging assets and assess the budgetary
needs that are going to be required to

1337
01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:10,880
maintain them
properly into the future. And the

1338
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:16,719
priority may well be to move some
expenses from the general some some of

1339
01:43:14,480 --> 01:43:22,320
the park expenses, traditional park
expenses from the general fund and the

1340
01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:29,119
capital fund to the stormwater parks or
park storm water tax bucket to give the

1341
01:43:25,679 --> 01:43:34,159
city greater flexibilities to address
all of the priorities citywide.

1342
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:40,800
um and this would comport with the
surveys finding that the highest scoring

1343
01:43:36,400 --> 01:43:47,199
priority um is to focus over the next 20
years on um maintenance and it's

1344
01:43:43,440 --> 01:43:52,320
something that Mr. Dunl from Cochran um
advocated when he made his presentation

1345
01:43:49,520 --> 01:43:57,679
to the board. Um,
so at this point it may be better it may

1346
01:43:56,000 --> 01:44:03,440
be a better place for the finance
committee to look into these issues to

1347
01:44:00,320 --> 01:44:09,119
evaluate and standardize how line items
are paid from respective funds. assess

1348
01:44:06,239 --> 01:44:15,280
the financial obligations of the city to
maintaining existing assets and budget

1349
01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:21,280
expenses
um appropriately from each fund to

1350
01:44:18,080 --> 01:44:25,760
achieve the most impactful um results
and then we can understand then after

1351
01:44:23,679 --> 01:44:32,080
we've understood these existing
obligations and funding for them explore

1352
01:44:28,719 --> 01:44:38,239
priorities across the city. Um, Alderman
Fernandez is

1353
01:44:35,199 --> 01:44:40,000
is that something
that sounds

1354
01:44:39,119 --> 01:44:42,400
» very much so um
>> within the wheelhouse of the finance

1355
01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:45,199
committee?
>> Yes. and they're very willing to do

1356
01:44:43,679 --> 01:44:48,000
that. Um, as part of the discussion we
had at the last committee meeting is

1357
01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:51,360
they're kind of asking what more can we
do and this is an area of focus for

1358
01:44:49,440 --> 01:44:54,960
everyone
and I think from my lens it would be in

1359
01:44:53,119 --> 01:44:57,440
conjunction with obviously the the
finance department because they're going

1360
01:44:56,159 --> 01:45:03,520
to have the data and I think we're going
to need both some answers and maybe a

1361
01:44:59,440 --> 01:45:09,920
collaboration through the whole group.
>> Alderman Davis. So, how does all this

1362
01:45:06,880 --> 01:45:16,400
meld together with our master plan that
we approved a couple months ago?

1363
01:45:14,480 --> 01:45:19,920
» Well, I think I guess and I'll I'll go
on record of clarifying when we approve

1364
01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:22,880
the master plan as approving the plan,
not any of those priorities underneath

1365
01:45:21,440 --> 01:45:26,080
there is like that they were actually
going to happen. So, that was part of

1366
01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:30,400
the discussion we had is that we need to
evaluate these what do they really cost?

1367
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:34,320
What do we have to the point of existing
liabilities? in one example and that

1368
01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:38,880
would be out of the dollars that we've
learned kind of looking at these is

1369
01:45:36,560 --> 01:45:43,199
portions of the storm water and parks
dollars have been spent on things like

1370
01:45:40,960 --> 01:45:46,560
salary not necessarily capital projects
through time. So we need to evaluate

1371
01:45:45,040 --> 01:45:49,840
what is that that are fixed costs we're
already committed to. So when we look at

1372
01:45:48,239 --> 01:45:52,880
the dollars we're have available they
may not be as great as we think. We need

1373
01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:56,400
to understand at least what that looks
like going forward. So it's some of

1374
01:45:54,639 --> 01:45:59,360
those things and and I appreciate the
finance firm may know a lot of these

1375
01:45:57,840 --> 01:46:01,600
answers already. It's a lot of us
looking at it new and trying to

1376
01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:05,600
understand how those things are laying
out.

1377
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:10,000
» So those things that are aging out that
need replenished that will be very well

1378
01:46:08,320 --> 01:46:15,520
considered. Right. I'm just thinking
about the pool for example

1379
01:46:12,800 --> 01:46:21,920
because the so we have so many citizens
that really absolutely would just go

1380
01:46:19,040 --> 01:46:25,679
berserko if we took away their lazy
river opportunity.

1381
01:46:23,679 --> 01:46:29,199
» Well and I think again from our lens
it's sort of what are we committed to

1382
01:46:27,040 --> 01:46:33,199
already? Um and obviously since this
whole one um came about we've committed

1383
01:46:31,679 --> 01:46:37,040
a lot more to parts over time. So we
need to understand that along with then

1384
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:41,040
how do we think about adding new after
that like what actually do we have at

1385
01:46:39,119 --> 01:46:44,000
our disposal to do that and on what
timeline I think that's the other part

1386
01:46:42,159 --> 01:46:46,960
and I think is you know you guys know
way better than we do on some of the

1387
01:46:45,280 --> 01:46:49,360
infrastructure even buildings like those
are massive projects that we may need to

1388
01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:53,679
do.
>> So can we put in trolleys that take us

1389
01:46:51,280 --> 01:46:56,800
from park to park to park?
>> One in Delmar we could look into

1390
01:46:55,119 --> 01:47:01,038
probably. I know it
>> might be for sale. Yeah,

1391
01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:04,880
» horseback.
[laughter]

1392
01:47:01,679 --> 01:47:07,679
I would like to make a comment. Um I'm
excited to hear that there were that

1393
01:47:06,239 --> 01:47:12,400
many comments about sidewalks because
most of you sitting up here have known

1394
01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:16,400
that that's one of my big priorities. So
I'm excited to work with Brian about

1395
01:47:14,719 --> 01:47:18,719
spending some money on sidewalks in
these upcoming years.

1396
01:47:17,840 --> 01:47:23,840
» I believe there may be a
misunderstanding and 32 is not exactly a

1397
01:47:21,119 --> 01:47:26,000
sampling size. Um but we're very willing
to look at all priorities. I'd like to

1398
01:47:25,760 --> 01:47:30,800
add
>> that to the agenda for the next public

1399
01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:36,400
works meeting, please.
>> Well, and I think what it gets down to

1400
01:47:33,280 --> 01:47:42,000
is what we're trying to say is
everybody wants their lazy river pool

1401
01:47:39,600 --> 01:47:48,080
and that's great and everybody wants
sidewalks and a lot of people want

1402
01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:53,920
things and they they probably can't have
them all. we have to priorities at this

1403
01:47:50,560 --> 01:48:00,000
time. we do have a pool that is in use
and we want to maintain and what's that

1404
01:47:57,520 --> 01:48:08,400
going to cost into the future and is
that where is the priority and that's

1405
01:48:04,880 --> 01:48:14,880
kind of where we think the finance
committee can do a deeper dive and

1406
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:22,239
understand the existing obligations
before we go out and add more assets and

1407
01:48:18,719 --> 01:48:26,800
and financial obligations.
And I concur to that end. It's something

1408
01:48:24,239 --> 01:48:30,000
we haven't really put that work into
some of the things in the past that we

1409
01:48:28,080 --> 01:48:33,520
certainly could and being a board member
up here when you know knowing we're

1410
01:48:31,840 --> 01:48:37,199
asked to do things without having as
much information by nobody's fault. It's

1411
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:41,520
just this is the biggest thing I think
we've seen in front of us and I'd go

1412
01:48:39,199 --> 01:48:44,639
back to cyworks sidewalks versus like
roads that we know maybe need some

1413
01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:47,280
attention that we haven't dealt with. We
don't really I don't have a really good

1414
01:48:46,080 --> 01:48:50,480
handle on that. So, as the finance
committee helping advise this group, I

1415
01:48:49,199 --> 01:48:54,320
know we could do a better job than what
we've done so far.

1416
01:48:52,080 --> 01:49:00,239
» So, when is our budgeting committee
meeting occurring that we're

1417
01:48:56,960 --> 01:49:06,360
» fourth fourth Tuesday in September?
>> Fourth Tuesday in September.

1418
01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:06,360
» Fourth Tuesday. Okay. Thank you.

1419
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:17,679
» I can [snorts] I can add one comment.
Marian, I've met with Gerald or Mr.

1420
01:49:15,600 --> 01:49:22,560
Brown and uh I don't think we either one
of us have uh had any discussion about

1421
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:26,505
taking away the lazy river.
>> That is good news. [laughter]

1422
01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:32,719
» Thank you.
>> Any other comments for general

1423
01:49:31,280 --> 01:49:37,760
discussion?
>> Alderman Freriedman. Um, as we were

1424
01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:43,760
looking through,
you know, these budgetary items, it came

1425
01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:52,239
to our attention that there is, um, a
lease on the building at Watson Trails

1426
01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:58,560
and the lease was entered into in 2019
for 2 years and it's renewable.

1427
01:49:55,760 --> 01:50:05,760
Um, subsequent to that time, uh, there
was an ordinance passed that any lease

1428
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:10,960
has to be, um, approved by ordinance,
and this has not come up before the

1429
01:50:07,760 --> 01:50:16,000
board. Um, I I don't know a whole lot
about the lease. It's two pages. It

1430
01:50:13,679 --> 01:50:24,080
doesn't look very leasy. I'm not sure
who signed it and it may be the best

1431
01:50:20,400 --> 01:50:28,159
idea in the world, but I don't think it
it doesn't address the kind of things

1432
01:50:26,239 --> 01:50:37,600
that we saw when we went through the
BMX. Um, so I' I'd like to ask Aaron to

1433
01:50:34,719 --> 01:50:45,119
take a look at the lease and, you know,
I don't know if, you know, I don't know

1434
01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:51,520
whether to put Aaron on it first or have
staff kind of outline to us what's

1435
01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:57,280
really happening behind the lease. Um,
but I think I think it's incumbent on

1436
01:50:54,800 --> 01:51:04,239
us. there's a city asset that's being
leased that I didn't know about and I've

1437
01:51:01,199 --> 01:51:11,280
asked specifically a lot about leases.
So, I I'd like to understand this and if

1438
01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:14,280
we're, you know, and and get it into a
proper

1439
01:51:14,560 --> 01:51:26,119
document that
that um protects the city there. There's

1440
01:51:20,639 --> 01:51:26,119
no cross insurance in it. Um,

1441
01:51:26,159 --> 01:51:31,440
so I'd like to understand that better
and I'd like to direct I don't know if

1442
01:51:29,679 --> 01:51:37,040
the starting point is Aaron looking at
it or if the starting point is staff ex

1443
01:51:34,480 --> 01:51:43,520
you know explaining this you know how
this operates in real in the real world.

1444
01:51:40,960 --> 01:51:48,800
I I can't speak to what happened in
2019. Um but the Open Space Council is a

1445
01:51:47,119 --> 01:51:53,840
nonprofit organization. They have been
renting a room at our park maintenance

1446
01:51:50,560 --> 01:51:58,239
facility since 2019.
We have treated it like a like a room

1447
01:51:56,159 --> 01:52:02,639
rental at the community center. Um, and
I I do understand what the paperwork

1448
01:52:00,400 --> 01:52:06,080
says, but that's that's how it's been
treated historically. We can certainly

1449
01:52:04,320 --> 01:52:09,280
move forward with something more formal.
And at that point, yes, I would

1450
01:52:07,760 --> 01:52:12,280
recommend getting our city attorney
involved.

1451
01:52:13,199 --> 01:52:17,599
» Are you finished?
>> Well, I don't know.

1452
01:52:15,760 --> 01:52:20,960
» Oh, no. I I'm asking, are you finished?
Alderman Freeman,

1453
01:52:18,560 --> 01:52:26,880
» hear what Alderman has to say. Say it
with your big booming voice, Fred.

1454
01:52:23,440 --> 01:52:31,920
» Microphone's still on. Um, we passed an
ordinance on leases

1455
01:52:30,080 --> 01:52:37,920
that the finance committee would review
before the city signed them. And I don't

1456
01:52:35,040 --> 01:52:42,000
know what has happened between 2019 and
today. And I'm not going to try to go

1457
01:52:39,520 --> 01:52:47,199
down that road and point fingers, but I
would like to see the finance committee

1458
01:52:43,599 --> 01:52:50,960
review this lease.
From the financial perspective, yes, but

1459
01:52:49,040 --> 01:52:54,480
also support from the legal having gone
through this prior with BMX as you

1460
01:52:52,800 --> 01:52:58,239
noted. Yeah, certainly to understand
what it is and financially whether it's

1461
01:52:56,880 --> 01:53:01,040
again know our role was to look at it,
make sure it feasibly made sense from

1462
01:52:59,760 --> 01:53:05,440
that and we weren't giving something
away. So, kind of a different lens.

1463
01:53:03,199 --> 01:53:09,040
» Is this an lease that just runs forever
or did it have a termination date on it?

1464
01:53:07,599 --> 01:53:13,760
» I believe it said there was a two-year
option, but it's been just roll. So

1465
01:53:11,119 --> 01:53:17,040
you're you're just handling it like a a
leased room at the community center,

1466
01:53:15,520 --> 01:53:21,360
» a rented room at the community center.
The income goes into community center

1467
01:53:19,199 --> 01:53:25,440
revenue. It is handled exactly like
that. But I it is continuous and it

1468
01:53:23,760 --> 01:53:29,199
would not hurt to have our city attorney
take a look at it. And then yes, it

1469
01:53:27,280 --> 01:53:35,040
would now follow the process of a lease
space which was done after 2019 which is

1470
01:53:32,880 --> 01:53:38,639
why I assume that it did not go through
that process then

1471
01:53:36,320 --> 01:53:39,760
» but it will in the future take care of
that.

1472
01:53:38,960 --> 01:53:42,480
» Yeah. I
>> I would like to make sure they have

1473
01:53:41,119 --> 01:53:46,239
insurance and that, you know, we're
covered if something would happen

1474
01:53:43,679 --> 01:53:51,040
because that's a could be a liability.
>> Okay. If they continue to lease or if

1475
01:53:48,400 --> 01:53:53,599
they're just renting the room like they
do at the community center, do they need

1476
01:53:52,719 --> 01:53:57,119
insurance?
>> If they're renting a room at the

1477
01:53:54,880 --> 01:54:01,679
community center, they do not. But if we
do, if we move forward with a lease in

1478
01:53:59,440 --> 01:54:04,800
our park maintenance building, yes, we
would recommend there would be insurance

1479
01:54:03,440 --> 01:54:11,000
within the lease.
>> Okay, we'll take care of that. Any other

1480
01:54:07,199 --> 01:54:11,000
general discussion items?

1481
01:54:11,440 --> 01:54:15,679
» Somebody just raised their hand.
[laughter]

1482
01:54:14,080 --> 01:54:18,400
» Does anybody else have anything?
>> Alderman Freriedman.

1483
01:54:16,719 --> 01:54:23,760
» Yeah.
Also in the course of uh of looking into

1484
01:54:22,159 --> 01:54:30,880
you know doing due diligence for the
steering committee, I wanted to go back

1485
01:54:26,400 --> 01:54:37,840
and um hear the and review the meetings
for the parks um department and

1486
01:54:35,599 --> 01:54:43,280
the finance department, planning and
zoning, the public works department all

1487
01:54:41,280 --> 01:54:51,599
have meetings that are accessible by
Zoom and they're recorded. And you know,

1488
01:54:47,119 --> 01:54:58,800
last year we had $5.6 million out of $13
million of the city budget spent on

1489
01:54:54,960 --> 01:55:03,199
parks. And there's nothing on they're
not it's not recorded. It's not

1490
01:55:00,480 --> 01:55:10,480
accessible to the public. And [snorts] I
I'd like to um make a motion that moving

1491
01:55:06,960 --> 01:55:17,760
forward all parks and recrecks um
meetings be held with a Zoom option and

1492
01:55:14,960 --> 01:55:22,960
with the meeting recorded so that it is
um available on the website, you know,

1493
01:55:20,320 --> 01:55:27,360
as a matter of transparency like we do
with all of our other committees.

1494
01:55:25,360 --> 01:55:31,360
Alderman Akens.
As a member of the parks committee, I

1495
01:55:29,599 --> 01:55:35,679
just want to say that we often meet at
the parks and we walk through them and I

1496
01:55:33,760 --> 01:55:40,639
think that's a very important thing that
we do and during those meetings I don't

1497
01:55:38,560 --> 01:55:44,400
know how it would be possible to record
those and have a zoom but otherwise when

1498
01:55:42,400 --> 01:55:51,360
we meet here that that makes sense to
>> well the the agenda items can be

1499
01:55:46,560 --> 01:55:56,400
discussed in chambers and then and then
the um and I think it is important for

1500
01:55:53,760 --> 01:56:04,239
the committee members to to walk the
parks But I don't think they're mutually

1501
01:55:58,639 --> 01:56:11,040
exclusive. And for, you know, 42 43% of
our budget to be spent and and we can't

1502
01:56:09,199 --> 01:56:16,159
hear what's going on in that committee.
I think I think we can improve upon

1503
01:56:13,440 --> 01:56:19,159
that. So, I would make a motion that
parks

1504
01:56:20,080 --> 01:56:27,920
conduct meetings that are accessible by
Zoom and um

1505
01:56:25,199 --> 01:56:31,599
uh posted on the web recorded and posted
on the website.

1506
01:56:29,840 --> 01:56:36,239
» Alderman Columbo.
>> So, I'm I'm curious how that works when

1507
01:56:33,440 --> 01:56:39,760
they meet at Minihaha
to to do their meeting and walk.

1508
01:56:38,239 --> 01:56:43,440
» They start their meeting here and then
they go to Minihaha.

1509
01:56:41,679 --> 01:56:45,199
You know, I
>> statistically it doesn't make a lot of

1510
01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:50,000
sense.
>> Well, how often does that happen?

1511
01:56:47,360 --> 01:56:52,960
» Minutes. It's good weather. We a lot in
the summer.

1512
01:56:50,560 --> 01:56:54,480
» Here, the park complex, Minihaha, Watson
Trails,

1513
01:56:53,440 --> 01:56:58,320
» and at the pool,
>> Windstone.

1514
01:56:56,400 --> 01:57:02,560
» Yeah, we really only meet here like in
the winter. And we have meeting minutes

1515
01:57:01,280 --> 01:57:06,320
and I think we're happy to record it
when we're here, but I think the park

1516
01:57:04,400 --> 01:57:08,719
committee being in the parks is very
important

1517
01:57:06,960 --> 01:57:12,719
» and Gerald records the minutes at every
meeting. And we don't

1518
01:57:10,719 --> 01:57:15,360
» I I've just I mean having been on it for
5 years, I don't think you're missing

1519
01:57:14,080 --> 01:57:19,480
anything.
>> Oh, [laughter] I'm missing something.

1520
01:57:22,639 --> 01:57:29,119
» I understand that we go that our
committee goes to parks and wants to

1521
01:57:26,880 --> 01:57:35,840
review maintenance or potential
improvements. That makes a lot of sense.

1522
01:57:32,560 --> 01:57:41,360
But I don't know if you're meeting at a
park in a

1523
01:57:38,719 --> 01:57:47,199
pavilion or whatever, you can certainly
come back and meet here or

1524
01:57:44,400 --> 01:57:52,320
decisions of spending money or proposals
could be then tabled to the next meeting

1525
01:57:49,199 --> 01:57:59,199
when you're in chambers.
We, you know, the logistics of of the

1526
01:57:55,599 --> 01:58:03,520
park. I understand that that's not
something that I have to worry about

1527
01:58:00,400 --> 01:58:08,080
with public works, but that's a logistic
issue that you have to work around in

1528
01:58:06,480 --> 01:58:14,480
order to communicate. We've heard the
word here tonight,

1529
01:58:11,440 --> 01:58:21,520
the word transparency,
that we want a transparent city. Well,

1530
01:58:18,320 --> 01:58:25,679
when it comes to the parks committee,
without the minutes, without recording,

1531
01:58:24,239 --> 01:58:28,080
without anything,
>> we have minutes.

1532
01:58:26,400 --> 01:58:33,520
» There are minutes. Sorry.
>> Well, I'm just saying I'm not seeing I'm

1533
01:58:31,040 --> 01:58:37,440
not seeing the transparency that we have
in other committees

1534
01:58:35,360 --> 01:58:40,800
» and the public is welcome to every
single meeting.

1535
01:58:38,719 --> 01:58:45,520
» Well, Greg, if we made that, then we
don't really need to record public works

1536
01:58:44,080 --> 01:58:48,880
either. They're welcome to every
meeting. I mean, the meetings are open

1537
01:58:47,760 --> 01:58:51,840
to everybody,
>> not public works because they're not

1538
01:58:50,400 --> 01:58:54,800
held in person.
>> So, it would be impossible. And we could

1539
01:58:53,599 --> 01:58:57,760
switch that,
>> of course.

1540
01:58:55,440 --> 01:59:01,360
» How about if at all possible, Mr. Brown,
would this be possible when you have a

1541
01:58:59,280 --> 01:59:05,520
meeting here in the wintertime, you
offer it to Zoom to anyone and then when

1542
01:59:03,679 --> 01:59:11,520
you go out in the field at parks or the
pool advisory or whatever that you just

1543
01:59:09,520 --> 01:59:17,599
say that in the meeting, say we're being
excused now to go look at this park or

1544
01:59:14,400 --> 01:59:23,280
that park or whatever. And I mean I I
was on parks for what 24 years and I

1545
01:59:21,280 --> 01:59:28,239
mean we were always out in the field
looking at things. Mhm.

1546
01:59:24,800 --> 01:59:32,800
» We would maybe discuss things first and
then go out or else go out when the

1547
01:59:31,040 --> 01:59:35,840
light was still the sun was still out
and then come back here and discuss

1548
01:59:34,239 --> 01:59:40,400
things.
But I don't know how you'd run the Zoom.

1549
01:59:39,440 --> 01:59:42,880
Um
>> how can you not

1550
01:59:41,199 --> 01:59:46,480
» because
well with everyone talking how would

1551
01:59:44,960 --> 01:59:51,119
they all have their microphones and
everything?

1552
01:59:48,239 --> 01:59:54,719
» I mean I I think we could do this. I
could record it at a park. I mean I

1553
01:59:53,199 --> 01:59:57,920
don't know about Zoom. I mean, I could
record it and then

1554
01:59:56,239 --> 02:00:02,000
» again, I don't know our system. If I
could put a recording on there from what

1555
01:59:59,599 --> 02:00:06,000
takes place, um the business that we
have like in a shelter,

1556
02:00:04,880 --> 02:00:08,880
I'm guessing.
>> Also wondering how much you're going to

1557
02:00:07,119 --> 02:00:10,639
be able to hear people because often,
you know,

1558
02:00:09,280 --> 02:00:13,679
» yeah, they're not each going to have a
microphone like this.

1559
02:00:11,679 --> 02:00:19,520
» We've got nine microphones here and
there's nine people on parks and Gerald

1560
02:00:16,239 --> 02:00:25,440
could use that microphone. I think we I
and I I think we can do better. And for

1561
02:00:23,119 --> 02:00:31,040
instance, one of the things I wanted to
see was the you know, we had a

1562
02:00:28,000 --> 02:00:38,239
stakeholders meeting and that was the
the parks committee met to review the

1563
02:00:34,400 --> 02:00:41,520
parks master plan. So I went to listen
to the minutes and they they weren't

1564
02:00:40,159 --> 02:00:47,280
there. I read the minutes and the
minutes said that Gary C um I'm sorry,

1565
02:00:45,119 --> 02:00:54,560
Mr. Dunl appeared and made a
presentation. it doesn't reflect any

1566
02:00:49,679 --> 02:00:59,760
discussion that was made or questions or
you know and I think that that would

1567
02:00:57,199 --> 02:01:03,760
have been helpful for me to understand.
So my motion stands.

1568
02:01:03,378 --> 02:01:10,480
[snorts]
>> Okay. And you have um Alderman Akens who

1569
02:01:07,679 --> 02:01:15,760
attend who's on parks and she can
probably answer any question that you

1570
02:01:12,880 --> 02:01:22,000
want to know from the parks meeting.
>> Yes.

1571
02:01:17,599 --> 02:01:25,920
and she's on the steering committee. So,
>> believe it or not, I listen to a lot of

1572
02:01:24,239 --> 02:01:33,520
recordings
and and I can't listen to any of those

1573
02:01:29,440 --> 02:01:36,520
and that is last year it was 42% of our
budget.

1574
02:01:36,800 --> 02:01:46,719
» I would second the motion.
>> Okay, you're seconding the motion for

1575
02:01:43,679 --> 02:01:49,440
Can we repeat the motion? Oh,
>> are you

1576
02:01:47,599 --> 02:01:51,920
» from what we're voting for?
>> You're taking people out of the parks.

1577
02:01:50,880 --> 02:01:56,560
Do you realize that? I just
>> No, I'm What I'm What I'm proposing

1578
02:01:54,239 --> 02:01:58,159
» roll call and people can vote no or vote
yes.

1579
02:01:57,040 --> 02:02:05,440
» Yeah.
>> I'm proposing that the parks committee

1580
02:02:01,760 --> 02:02:09,840
record and give detailed minutes of
their meetings

1581
02:02:07,199 --> 02:02:15,760
moving forward. And I think if that
means that you have to

1582
02:02:12,800 --> 02:02:20,400
we don't have a big city. If you have to
go to a park and then come here to

1583
02:02:17,679 --> 02:02:24,639
actually have your meeting, I don't
think that is a big

1584
02:02:23,040 --> 02:02:27,679
problem.
Is it

1585
02:02:25,840 --> 02:02:31,280
» our part of our meeting
>> from the point of view of people that

1586
02:02:28,960 --> 02:02:34,480
have been serving on it that have that
meet at parks and walk through them

1587
02:02:32,880 --> 02:02:38,560
rather than meet here, hold a meeting,
now leave, go to a park. Do we adjourn

1588
02:02:37,119 --> 02:02:43,440
the meeting? Do we have to come back to
adjourn? I just I think you guys

1589
02:02:42,560 --> 02:02:46,719
» part of our meeting
>> a logistical problem overburdensome and

1590
02:02:45,440 --> 02:02:50,239
you're going to find people don't want
to serve if they have to keep coming

1591
02:02:48,080 --> 02:02:53,360
here instead of being in the parks. So
you're going to probably lose some

1592
02:02:51,679 --> 02:02:56,800
committee members. It would be my guess.
>> And the meeting continues when we're at

1593
02:02:55,199 --> 02:02:58,960
the park, right? We're walking around.
We're looking at things. So it doesn't

1594
02:02:58,239 --> 02:03:05,080
just end
>> not adjourn and then go continue to

1595
02:03:01,040 --> 02:03:05,080
conduct business elsewhere. Alderman

1596
02:03:06,639 --> 02:03:10,719
Fernandez,
>> I just have a logistical legal question.

1597
02:03:08,960 --> 02:03:14,400
So, is it a requirement of the
committees to be recorded or to be or

1598
02:03:12,880 --> 02:03:17,520
open to the public like every other
>> requirement to have minutes post an

1599
02:03:15,920 --> 02:03:20,159
agenda? It is not a requirement to be
recorded.

1600
02:03:18,239 --> 02:03:24,560
» I just thought it was a good practice of
transparency.

1601
02:03:22,320 --> 02:03:30,719
» Me, too.
>> So, how many of us have actually read

1602
02:03:26,880 --> 02:03:34,320
the master plan that we approved?
Have we all read it? And were there

1603
02:03:32,639 --> 02:03:40,159
questions still that needed to be
answered that we now need to think about

1604
02:03:36,800 --> 02:03:45,040
over the next couple of years?
I mean, like our art committee, we have

1605
02:03:42,719 --> 02:03:48,880
anyone's welcome to come. We have the
minutes written down, but there's a lot

1606
02:03:47,119 --> 02:03:54,159
of discussion that I don't even know how
you would put it down and just let

1607
02:03:51,199 --> 02:03:59,239
people hear because a lot of it is and
>> and that's what we record.

1608
02:03:56,239 --> 02:03:59,239
» Okay.

1609
02:04:04,880 --> 02:04:08,639
All right,
>> we have a motion and a second. We have a

1610
02:04:07,040 --> 02:04:13,560
motion and a second. Do you all
understand what you're voting on or do

1611
02:04:09,920 --> 02:04:13,560
you want the motion read?

1612
02:04:13,599 --> 02:04:21,199
» Well, I think Alderman Dos's
interpretation and Alderman Freriedman's

1613
02:04:18,800 --> 02:04:25,199
interpretation are
I'm not clear as to which one I I would

1614
02:04:23,679 --> 02:04:28,960
be voting on.
>> Okay. So, could we have the motion read

1615
02:04:27,280 --> 02:04:35,400
again, Mrs. Stone.
>> Uh, the motion that I wrote down was

1616
02:04:31,440 --> 02:04:35,400
» use your microphone, please.

1617
02:04:38,080 --> 02:04:44,960
» Available via Zoom. That's what I
>> All right. Is that the second?

1618
02:04:43,599 --> 02:04:48,719
» No. No,
>> that that was not the motion.

1619
02:04:46,639 --> 02:04:54,880
» Okay. So the motion was to for their
meetings to be in chambers or in

1620
02:04:52,719 --> 02:05:01,840
chambers or in the meeting place
available via Zoom and with the

1621
02:04:57,360 --> 02:05:06,080
recording posted on on the website as
the other committee [clears throat]

1622
02:05:03,360 --> 02:05:09,880
meetings the the other committee
recordings are posted.

1623
02:05:11,679 --> 02:05:17,599
» Yes.
>> Is that the um motion? That's my

1624
02:05:16,639 --> 02:05:19,440
understanding as well.
>> And you're going to second that. I

1625
02:05:18,960 --> 02:05:24,560
second that.
>> So a motion was made by Alderman

1626
02:05:20,800 --> 02:05:31,800
Friedman, seconded by Alderman Doss.
>> Do we want to do a roll call vote? Let's

1627
02:05:27,199 --> 02:05:31,800
do a roll call vote. Mrs. Stone, please.

1628
02:05:32,800 --> 02:05:38,920
» Nay.
[clears throat]

1629
02:05:35,920 --> 02:05:38,920
» Nay.

1630
02:05:39,440 --> 02:05:42,440
» Nay.

1631
02:05:42,719 --> 02:05:45,719
» Nay.

1632
02:05:46,480 --> 02:05:52,239
Nay.
>> Alderman.

1633
02:05:50,320 --> 02:05:58,280
» Hi.
>> Alderman Friedman.

1634
02:05:53,440 --> 02:05:58,280
» I [snorts] also

1635
02:06:02,400 --> 02:06:09,679
» Okay. Motion fails.
All right. Any other items under general

1636
02:06:07,119 --> 02:06:12,960
discussion?
>> Alderman Fernandez.

1637
02:06:10,960 --> 02:06:17,840
» This is Thank you, Madam Probably out of
order. Um, knowing that that did not

1638
02:06:16,400 --> 02:06:21,599
pass, I would ask though that the
committee does a much deeper thorough

1639
02:06:20,000 --> 02:06:24,880
job on the minutes potentially if that's
been an issue where we can't discern

1640
02:06:23,040 --> 02:06:27,840
some of the information and especially
like presentations and any of the

1641
02:06:26,159 --> 02:06:31,040
dialogue.
>> Yes, I I can cover that.

1642
02:06:29,360 --> 02:06:34,639
» The past I mean Gerald gets the minutes
out the next morning, right? So, they're

1643
02:06:32,639 --> 02:06:36,480
fresh, they're concise, and they're spot
on.

1644
02:06:35,119 --> 02:06:40,639
» I've never read them, so I don't that
should not be an indictment uh at all.

1645
02:06:38,639 --> 02:06:43,679
So, but if if that were an issue or has
been an issue, I would like to see that.

1646
02:06:42,400 --> 02:06:50,560
» Yeah. and I
>> the next day and he asked if there's any

1647
02:06:46,400 --> 02:06:53,920
correction corrections or additions. So
al all

1648
02:06:51,440 --> 02:06:56,960
» I'll just add when we do meet here I am
in favor of recording when we can. I

1649
02:06:55,920 --> 02:07:03,360
just don't want to take the parks
committee out out of the parks

1650
02:07:00,000 --> 02:07:07,280
» and I will add I mean we have had zoom
for several of the meetings over the

1651
02:07:05,599 --> 02:07:11,920
last couple of years. I I mean I know
that but I don't know what the special

1652
02:07:09,360 --> 02:07:15,280
occasion was why we used it but there
were times whether it was the park

1653
02:07:13,840 --> 02:07:21,199
master plan which obviously it wasn't
cuz Kathy would have known but I know

1654
02:07:17,920 --> 02:07:27,679
we've had some. So
that's the case. May I make a motion

1655
02:07:23,199 --> 02:07:35,599
that any um parks meetings that are held
um indoors be available via Zoom and

1656
02:07:33,119 --> 02:07:40,560
recorded and with the recording posted
on the city website.

1657
02:07:38,880 --> 02:07:43,599
» That could work.
>> Can we be specific to here in the

1658
02:07:42,079 --> 02:07:46,320
chamber? We do meet other places that
are indoors that might not you might not

1659
02:07:45,280 --> 02:07:52,159
be able to hear us where we don't have
microphones

1660
02:07:48,960 --> 02:07:56,400
» and we we always record our minutes.
Those can be how do you how do you

1661
02:07:54,320 --> 02:08:01,920
handle that when it's not verbal? It's
just written. So what do we do? How do

1662
02:07:58,480 --> 02:08:04,800
we place that in the public's hands
>> on the website?

1663
02:08:02,960 --> 02:08:07,920
» Posted on the website.
>> So those can be posted

1664
02:08:06,079 --> 02:08:12,560
» and that's the way they're always
>> there. any questions that come up at the

1665
02:08:09,920 --> 02:08:19,360
next meeting then we can rectify it in
some way

1666
02:08:15,040 --> 02:08:24,320
» because we always have we always um do
written minutes there's always someone

1667
02:08:21,520 --> 02:08:28,639
taking minutes
>> so are the meetings that are held

1668
02:08:26,159 --> 02:08:33,599
indoors can they be held somewhere where
we have the zoom capability and or are

1669
02:08:31,360 --> 02:08:38,400
there locations that you go to
>> this is the only room that we have the

1670
02:08:35,760 --> 02:08:43,199
zoom room within um the public works
committee. We typically use a laptop

1671
02:08:40,079 --> 02:08:46,880
which isn't great but we make it work.
But this is the only room that has that

1672
02:08:44,560 --> 02:08:50,800
Zoom room capability.
>> What are we doing for finance?

1673
02:08:49,280 --> 02:08:54,960
» Finance. I'm sorry. Did I say public
works? We're always I apologize. Finance

1674
02:08:53,520 --> 02:08:59,280
is when we're in the public works.
That's why we're in the public works um

1675
02:08:57,440 --> 02:09:03,920
conference room and that's where we use
a laptop which again not not great and I

1676
02:09:01,920 --> 02:09:10,679
know sometimes the the sound isn't great
but we make it work. Um, we don't have

1677
02:09:06,480 --> 02:09:10,679
that capability in other spaces.

1678
02:09:12,320 --> 02:09:16,560
» Did you make a motion?
>> Did you make it?

1679
02:09:15,920 --> 02:09:19,679
» I did.
>> Okay, I'll second her. K.

1680
02:09:18,079 --> 02:09:24,079
» A motion was made by Alderman
Freriedman. Second by Alderman Schwarz.

1681
02:09:22,480 --> 02:09:30,520
And do you want to read that motion
again so everyone knows what they're

1682
02:09:25,440 --> 02:09:30,520
voting on, please? Mrs. Stone

1683
02:09:34,320 --> 02:09:41,280
are In chambers.
>> All right. Roll call vote.

1684
02:09:39,280 --> 02:09:42,880
» That you said in chambers. In chambers.
You

1685
02:09:41,360 --> 02:09:44,880
» didn't say every place. You just said in
chambers.

1686
02:09:43,679 --> 02:09:50,400
» When the meetings are held in the
chambers, they will be recorded and the

1687
02:09:48,320 --> 02:09:53,400
recording will be posted and Zoom
accessible.

1688
02:09:54,159 --> 02:09:57,880
» Roll call vote, please.

1689
02:09:58,639 --> 02:10:03,440
» Alens.
I

1690
02:10:02,639 --> 02:10:06,079
Davis.
>> Hi.

1691
02:10:06,480 --> 02:10:09,480
Hi.

1692
02:10:09,760 --> 02:10:14,480
» Hi.
>> Michael.

1693
02:10:12,880 --> 02:10:20,760
» Hi.
>> Alman Fre,

1694
02:10:17,760 --> 02:10:20,760
» I

1695
02:10:23,040 --> 02:10:29,305
» All right. Any other items under general
discussion? I'm afraid to look over

1696
02:10:27,199 --> 02:10:32,639
here.
[laughter]

1697
02:10:30,880 --> 02:10:36,400
» I'm kidding.
>> No, you're not. That's okay. [laughter]

1698
02:10:35,679 --> 02:10:38,719
» Back to my line.
>> We all have to have a sense of

1699
02:10:38,159 --> 02:10:42,159
» meeting.
>> All right. If not, do I have a motion to

1700
02:10:41,520 --> 02:10:46,560
» We did this.
>> We did.

1701
02:10:42,639 --> 02:10:48,880
» Oh, we did that. Never mind. [laughter]
>> Amended the agenda.

1702
02:10:47,840 --> 02:10:50,800
» It was It was
>> They didn't know if we needed to vote on

1703
02:10:50,239 --> 02:10:56,639
it.
>> It was included in the consent agenda.

1704
02:10:54,239 --> 02:11:00,320
» A motion to adjurnn, please.
>> I make the motion.

1705
02:10:57,840 --> 02:11:04,000
» I'll second. Motion was made by Alderman
Donna, seconded by Alderman Wigle. All

1706
02:11:02,400 --> 02:11:05,280
in favor of adjournment
>> I

1707
02:11:04,480 --> 02:11:09,599
» I
>> have a great evening. We adjourned at

1708
02:11:06,880 --> 02:11:09,599
811.