[0:00] So we got
[0:06] Are you ready, Tim?
>> Um I am ready.
[0:10] » Okay. Do you want to call the meeting to
order for the architectural review July
[0:15] 15, 2026?
[0:20] Roll call.
>> Um Mayor Mark Fry
[0:24] » here.
>> Carol Lind Huber
[0:26] » here.
>> Zachary Liieber
[0:28] » here. Kate Fischer
>> here.
[0:31] » Tim Burns, zoning administrator
>> here.
[0:35] » And Jeff Schaff is excused tonight.
[0:41] » So, we need uh for the architecture
renew uh review, we need the approval of
[0:46] the minutes of June 10th, 2026.
>> I make a motion that we approve the
[0:52] meeting minutes from June 10th.
>> I make a second.
[0:58] All in favor say I.
>> I.
[1:02] » Motion carried on that. Then we have the
um regulation sign application number
[1:08] 14-2026
by Muhammad A.
[1:14] Muhammad you are you on?
>> I have him on. He's just um he does not
[1:21] have his uh microphone on. Okay.
So, it's for uh 6363 Monroe Street, uh
[1:32] Pilates by V, a proposed sign, and a new
wall sign.
[1:46] » I'm guessing he can get There we go.
Maybe he's on there. Muhammad, are you
[1:52] there?
Yes. Give me one second. Have a little
[1:56] » technical difficulties here,
but I'm here. Just my my video isn't
[2:03] working.
There you go. I think I got it to work.
[2:09] Do I look good enough for you guys?
[2:19] » Always.
So this
[2:24] » everything look okay on this one, Tim?
>> Yeah, there's no objections from the
[2:29] signing office. Everything meets within
the code.
[2:42] 2026.
>> Second.
[2:47] » Zach's first. Carol second. Um, all in
favor say I.
[2:52] » I.
>> I.
[2:53] » I.
[2:58] » Thank you, Muhammad. So, the next one,
you're actually up on two also.
[3:03] » Yes, ma'am.
>> Okay. So that's the regulation sign app
[3:06] number 15-2026
for Zayn's uh Lebanese Grill on McCord.
[3:14] Is this this a new sign then? Right.
>> Um yeah, it's going to go adjacent to
[3:20] the current sign.
[3:30] » Jim, does this mean zoning code? The
sign meets as zoning code. There are no
[3:35] objections.
[3:41] » Any questions?
Have a motion for approval.
[3:46] » I'll make a motion to approve uh number
15-
[3:50] 2026.
[3:54] » Second.
>> Second.
[3:57] » Thank you.
>> Any questions?
[4:01] All in favor say I.
>> I.
[4:06] » The motion approved. Sign approved.
Thank you.
[4:10] » Thanks.
>> We appreciate that.
[4:12] » You guys are welcome to free baklava.
Just don't tell them I sent you.
[4:16] » Okay. [laughter]
[4:20] » Thank you very much.
>> Thank you.
[4:25] » Tim, is there any additions?
>> There are no additions.
[4:29] So we can uh have a motion for adjourn.
>> I'll make a motion that we adjourn.
[4:36] » Second.
>> Mark second. All in favor say I.
[4:41] » I.
>> Architectural review adjourned.
[5:12] Tim, can you let us know when we're
ready for the
[5:16] um
>> I still cannot see who's in the meeting.
[5:20] I'm not sure why.
Um do we have representatives? I know we
[5:26] had somebody from 7-Eleven
um which is representing I
[5:36] I think kind of the kind of it's both
sides. It's it's the SU as well as the
[5:41] lot split. Um but um I don't know if
Matt Dwood would or representative of
[5:48] the property is here.
[6:00] I don't believe Matt Dwood's here, but
I'm here to represent um Y Engineers and
[6:06] our client uh 7-Eleven.
[6:14] So I think that that probably can answer
everything on the lot split. The SUP is
[6:20] well that pro you can represent the use
as well.
[6:25] » Yes. Yep. That's what I'm here for.
>> Okay. Then I think we're good to go.
[6:33] » So So Tim, tell us about the lot split.
Kind of explain a little more what's
[6:38] going on here.
So, the lot split is
[6:43] uh it's there there's essentially two
lot splits happening at the same time.
[6:49] Um it's the north end of um and I cannot
recall the name of the plaza. Um but
[6:57] it's the what is always referred to for
me as the major magic plaza. Um the uh
[7:04] north end of it has an entrance and exit
uh onto Alexis Road. Um and it's
[7:10] essentially
positioned pretty much in the middle of
[7:14] the property exiting out to Alexis or
entering in from Alexis. Um on the
[7:20] northeast side, uh the proposal is to
split um the right side of the parking
[7:29] lot off
down to the uh north
[7:36] portion of the building. They actually
would be taking the old Wraid portion of
[7:41] the building. Um the southern the
southern portion of the right aid
[7:46] building would become the new lot line
property and that portion of the
[7:51] building would be tore down as part of
this um uh process that they're going
[7:57] through um for the uh fuel station and
uh store.
[8:07] So physically the layout of this is
um they're going to knock the rad
[8:14] building down. Correct.
>> Right. Which
[8:17] » yes is attached to the rest of that
building from you know facade side but
[8:24] it'll it'll have a separate fire break.
>> Yes. I I have a presentation like I have
[8:31] a exhibits and things if we need that.
Yeah. Can you just state your name
[8:38] again? Um and your representation?
>> Yep. Taylor Shepard with Y Engineers
[8:45] representing our client 7-Eleven and um
and Reed Developers
[8:53] Ltd.
[9:05] Tim, did you want to do a roll call on
this for the
[9:10] » uh did we not get through that? That
would um Yeah. Can you u can you do a
[9:16] roll call, Kristen, please?
>> Roll call. Uh Mayor Mark Fry
[9:19] » here.
>> Carol Lind Hoover
[9:21] » here.
>> Zachary Liieber
[9:22] » here.
>> Kate Fischer
[9:25] » here. Uh Tim Burns
>> here.
[9:28] » And Jeff Chef is excused.
[9:34] We do need to the approval of the
minutes from June 10th.
[9:39] » Thank you.
>> Make a motion to approve the meeting
[9:42] minutes for the meeting of June 10th,
2026.
[9:49] » So moved.
[9:57] » All in favor say I.
>> I. I. Hi.
[10:01] So Tim, you want me to We have item
number one, which is the transfer and
[10:06] lot split.
>> Does that go first before the
[10:12] » sub three?
>> Yes.
[10:16] » Okay.
>> They they essentially go hand in hand.
[10:20] Um the SUP cannot happen without the lot
split. the lot split could happen
[10:29] without the SUP.
[10:33] So I think that's that's the reason to
put the lot split in front
[10:38] of the SU.
>> So So
[10:41] again, Tim, this lot split is
basically
[10:47] they're knocking down the right a
property or that chunk of the building.
[10:52] They're building um the facility
on that uh potential parcel that would
[11:00] be created and it would be what
effectively is the norththeast
[11:06] corner closest to the Dunkin Donuts.
Would that the whole way to Alexis? Is
[11:10] that how that would work?
>> That's a good description of it. Yeah.
[11:15] » Okay.
>> So, that's actually sub four, right? for
[11:21] » the application.
[11:28] » Let me look at see which one's which.
[11:36] » Yeah, but the lot split's got to come
first.
[11:39] » Okay,
>> we're going to approve it.
[11:42] » But it's basically the same location.
And
[11:45] » it's the same location. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Right.
[11:48] and when we get to the other lots, but
it'll be the reverse of the other um
[11:52] which would be the seven brew side.
The seven brew side does not need a SU.
[12:02] » Okay.
[12:11] » Um from the city side, it's a it's a
real clean split. Um it's been reviewed
[12:16] on the engineering side on the
preliminary side. Um
[12:21] uh
as far as like the the next portion
[12:25] moving forward um it looks like it's all
viable. Um, as you know, there was a
[12:33] similar approach before and there was a
a big concentration on the traffic study
[12:38] that was involved in it in this
particular scenario with the the future
[12:43] intentional use of this split um being a
fuel station um works. But for right
[12:51] now, the the proposal is just the split.
[12:58] » How big is this parcel, Tim? when if the
split was approved.
[13:03] » I do not know if I know that.
>> Maybe the gentleman
[13:09] » can answer that question.
>> Maybe Taylor can answer the question.
[13:16] » Yes, I've got it here as
[13:25] I'm seeing 9.95. That must be the whole
um that's the entire
[13:33] um plaza. Let's see.
[13:39] » Yeah, I would guess it's like about an
acre and a half or two.
[13:43] » Yeah, that's what I would think too.
>> Knowing the size of it, but I'm looking
[13:48] to see if it's like in the
>> Yeah, it looks like it says down here
[13:54] that the remaining parcel will be 7.658.
65 acre. So if it's 9.9 then
[14:00] » Yep.
>> So that I'm not sure though that might
[14:04] exclude the seven brew portion because
there's there's the remaining parcel.
[14:09] There's going to be there's at the end
there's going to be three parcels in
[14:14] this process.
And I'm I'm assuming they wrote it as
[14:18] the final outcome
with with the other lot splitting off as
[14:25] well.
PZ or Craig was on. [laughter]
[14:28] » So if you said that was that was seven.
It says it ends with seven. So yeah, it
[14:32] might be like one and a half and one or
one and a half and a half. The seven
[14:36] brew property is not very big.
>> It looks like 1.57 acres.
[14:40] » Yeah, it's got 1.57. I just saw that.
Thank you.
[14:43] » Yeah, Zach. Thank you.
[14:50] » So Kate, you're looking for a motion. I
am open for a motion on the application
[14:56] for the um which one are we doing? The
transfer and lot split item one.
[15:04] I I'll make a motion
to um approve the application for the
[15:12] transfer and lot split at uh 5800 Monroe
Street per the u
[15:20] uh planning commission
information.
[15:26] » Make a second.
[15:31] » Any questions?
Additional comments. All in favor say I.
[15:38] » I.
>> I.
[15:39] » I.
That. Stock split's been approved.
[15:44] So the next one we go to then is
actually item number five. Right. So the
[15:51] um sub4 for the same property at 5890
Monroe Street.
[15:58] » Correct.
>> Okay. Well, it it would there's a lot
[16:02] split in front of it. Correct.
[16:06] » Well, I was given a
different property.
[16:13] » Yeah, it actually looks like Metamora
before that or that's sub three or sorry
[16:19] for number four.
There should be
[16:29] there's the second partial split that I
I get you could go to SUP3 now or
[16:37] there's the se the second split if you
want to do the splits back to back.
[16:46] » Oh, I see it. There's
>> two splits.
[16:49] There's two splits. So the other split
is parcel split number two, which which
[16:56] is the northwest corner of this same
area of the plaza parking lot. So if
[17:04] where Elliot Road comes in is uh the at
the light um same light that is the
[17:10] ingress egress for this plaza to the
west of that or what would be the
[17:18] northwest corner the proposal is to
split and I think it's about a half acre
[17:24] » seven 7.773
>> okay yep um so I'm just not sure if
[17:33] anybody's is here to represent it. I can
speak on its behalf of my knowledge, but
[17:38] » but so th so this secondary split,
>> we don't know what's going there. Is
[17:43] that correct, Tim?
>> There is a proposal. The proposal is a
[17:47] seven brew coffee. Um the proposal,
>> but that's not in front of us today.
[17:55] So the seven brew coffee would be it
would not require any type of um
[18:01] approval from the board until they get
into architectural. So they would they
[18:05] would come to the board for
architectural review.
[18:07] » Right. But that's not in front of us. So
all we're looking at is another split.
[18:11] Correct.
>> Another split. Um the split all the
[18:14] requirements are are met. There are no
objections from the city. Um
[18:21] I think that's
>> okay. So then I'll make a motion to
[18:24] approve parcel split number two uh as
the application
[18:30] u for 5800 Monroe Street of um for as uh
provided in the Sylvania Municipal
[18:39] Planning Commission
um agenda.
[18:43] » Second.
[18:47] » All in favor say I.
>> I.
[18:52] So the second split was approved.
[18:58] » Yeah.
[19:05] » Okay.
[19:08] Now Kate, you were asking about whether
we wanted to jump to the
[19:12] to the SUP number four,
>> right? With the same property. Mhm.
[19:18] » Is that for the um That's the Speedway
or uh 7-Eleven one, correct?
[19:25] » Yep.
>> The 7-Eleven.
[19:27] » I think that makes sense since he's here
to represent that.
[19:30] » Yeah, I Mr. Reed is here to for the
other one perhaps, too. But
[19:35] » Yep. I cannot see unfortunately. I can't
see who's present.
[19:39] » Yeah. Well, he he was here a few minutes
ago. I don't know if he's still here.
[19:42] » I'm still here. Yes.
>> Okay. Thank you for your patience, sir.
[19:46] [laughter]
[19:52] So, um,
Taylor, I think are you still here?
[19:58] » Yes. Yep. I'm sorry.
>> Okay,
[20:02] Kate, if you're okay with us.
>> Yeah, we're okay.
[20:06] Just keep it.
So, are we doing item number five, the
[20:10] amended sub4?
>> Yeah. Yeah, I think that makes the most
[20:15] sense. Okay.
So, that is still at 5890 Monroe Street.
[20:23] » Yes.
>> Okay.
[20:26] And this is where the 7-Eleven's going
in.
[20:30] » Yes.
>> So, we need a special use permit for
[20:33] fuel. Is that what we're doing?
>> Yes.
[20:36] » Okay.
[20:41] So, Taylor, tell us about I mean I I
know what a 7-Eleven looks like. I saw
[20:47] the pictures. Um
>> Okay.
[20:49] » So, how many pumps are you looking at?
>> Six pumps.
[20:55] Um 37 parking spaces. The convenience
store will be 4,800
[21:01] square ft approximately.
[21:05] » Is it open 24/7 or is it closed?
um 247.
[21:13] Um I do have some pictures as well.
>> Tim, does that
[21:20] does that um follow zoning um 247 in
that location?
[21:28] » I just actually sent a
um email up to Leslie asking that
[21:35] question. I think that's part of the SUP
approval at council, I believe, but I'm
[21:40] not fuel stations may have an exclusion
to that. Um, I just I I I tried to find
[21:46] that out. Um, and I sent it up to Leslie
and did not see like a clean response.
[21:53] But what so that's one of the questions
obviously that needs to be
[21:59] handled because I don't
think anything else there is open 24/7
[22:07] in that vicinity. Not necessarily saying
that's a bad thing. Um but but I maybe
[22:15] down the road um one of the other gas
pumps. The um
[22:21] the other thing, Taylor, is it is this
going to be prepared to have electric
[22:27] vehicle charging
or are there going to be charging
[22:30] stations involved? I don't remember
seeing.
[22:33] » It is not.
>> So, just straight up pumps.
[22:37] » Yep.
>> And a convenience store.
[22:42] » Yeah. So, we have um Oh.
[22:53] Did we lose volume?
>> Um, can you see the PowerPoint?
[22:58] » Yep.
>> Yeah.
[22:59] » Okay.
So, yeah, the site will be located here.
[23:07] Um, part of that ride will be
demolished. Um,
[23:11] and then here is the layout with Alexis
Road to the shown to the right here and
[23:19] um the parking lot up above
[23:26] and the six pumps up towards Alexis Road
with the convenience store behind it.
[23:34] And then here's the uh 7-Eleven
architectural
[23:41] drawings here. And then the pumps in the
canopy,
[23:50] the monument sign,
[23:56] Tim, thank you for the picture's worth
thousand words. Um, so we apprec I
[24:03] appreciate that. So Tim, the um
does the SUP
[24:10] or do do we require like a bond to be
placed for
[24:17] um a facility like this at this point in
our code?
[24:21] » Not that I'm aware of in any way.
>> Okay.
[24:29] Taylor, do you know if that's something
that's that the owners of the state
[24:32] because I don't know whether se this is
a franchise or whether this is you know
[24:38] actually 7-Eleven the company or what
the terminology here is. Can you speak
[24:43] to whether they post bonds for
remediation of any tank uh removal for
[24:48] the future?
>> Um I would have to double check. I
[24:54] believe they do.
Um,
[24:58] but I would have to double check on
whether they do bonds. And then,
[25:05] um, I would also have to double check if
this is going to be a franchisee or a
[25:10] corporateowned store.
>> Yeah. cuz cuz the concern that that I
[25:14] have, I can't speak for other members
just fundamentally is we've had to go
[25:20] get grant money in the past to remediate
some property in the city for stuff. Um,
[25:26] and I'm not saying that this place isn't
going to be here for the next 250 years.
[25:31] But I'm guessing the if the 7-Eleven's
there, the tanks probably won't be. So
[25:39] that's why I was asking, you know, don't
want the city or the taxpayers to be on
[25:43] the hook for that.
>> Yeah.
[25:54] The only thing that I noticed that I
kind of want to point out is, you know,
[25:58] if we have two
retail users potentially coming in here
[26:04] and creates a lot of traffic, that turn
is a little tight there. And like if you
[26:09] get car stacking to get out there on
Alexis,
[26:13] I know it's already going through some
architectural, but
[26:17] » yeah. So
that'll have a on a on the engineering
[26:22] side
>> for the site approval that will go
[26:25] through engineering
>> as as a portion of this. Um the initial
[26:30] look at it um meets the city's
requirement as far as the egress out to
[26:38] Alexis
and I think within private property to
[26:44] some extent if it backs up on their way
out I'm not sure that that's the city's
[26:50] issue. Um as long as it's not backing up
on the way in. We have to keep we have
[26:55] to keep the streets open is what we're
that's the whole importance of it. Um
[27:01] you know I I would assume that there
might be a push to get essentially off
[27:08] of this new lot that is being developed.
There may be a push that the traffic has
[27:13] to go clear to the south
to go north if you will
[27:21] for that reason. for that exact reason
is it pushes that Q- line out.
[27:26] » Makes sense.
[27:30] » But that that'll definitely get reviewed
on the engineer side that that is
[27:34] something the engineers and our our
engineers specifically they pay really
[27:37] tight attention to. Um as if if you were
aware there was another proposal for a
[27:43] fuel station about I don't know about
six month eight months ago. Um, and the
[27:48] project never went forward because they
could not get their ingress and egress
[27:53] to meet our traffic standards.
So, so that'll definitely get reviewed.
[28:00] » So, so Tim, is this something we can put
a contingency on
[28:06] or make a recommendation to council?
So the the re the response from
[28:13] uh the board would be um it could be
yeah it could typically it's a it's a
[28:22] response of council um
um but it can come with recommendations.
[28:27] I guess I think that's what you're
asking.
[28:54] This motion's up to somebody else. I'm
not going to make this motion.
[28:57] [laughter]
So, if if everybody's thinking,
[29:00] » do you want to Mark, do you want to add
because the motion is basically just
[29:05] referring it back. We approve it, refer
back to the council. Yeah,
[29:11] » we provide a recommendation, but but
based on what Tim said, we can al the
[29:15] recommendation could include
um
[29:21] recommended conditions as well.
>> Yeah. So, if you wanted to um well on a
[29:28] lot split
at the end of the day, if the lot split
[29:33] is approved,
it um
[29:39] it's a it's a split. It's it's divided.
I think the only way if you wanted to
[29:45] from what I heard in in the
[clears throat] communic or the
[29:49] discussion is the one thing that that
maybe could be paid attention to would
[29:54] be that that traffic patterning. Am I am
I accurate in picking that up?
[30:02] Would that I guess would that be the the
one thing that everybody would like to
[30:07] see or are there [clears throat] other
condition
[30:10] » and the 24our
information [clears throat] I think with
[30:14] the
>> Yeah. So, um I think the recommendation
[30:18] could be made um conditional upon
um the 24hour being a permitted use
[30:26] already within
um the
[30:32] uh use of a fuel station and this
particular zone classification
[30:41] which doesn't open it up for greater
than I think the normal hours I think
[30:46] are I think is it I think it's two I
want to say it's two
[30:52] I think it's like 2 to 5 is when things
are supposed to be closed.
[30:58] » Yeah,
this seems more and more like a stretch
[31:02] for this meeting without the
clarification of whether this is even
[31:06] allowed to be open 24.
>> Yeah. So, it can be tabled with with a
[31:11] request for a response back to this from
the city for
[31:16] um any information that that you would
like to hear or see.
[31:20] » Yeah. So, so then uh then I'll make a
motion in this regard. I'd make a motion
[31:27] to table SUP 4
2026
[31:33] uh until we get information from the
city regarding the
[31:39] uh
the ability of of this to operate 24
[31:44] hours. And also
the the provision that there be um or
[31:53] information from the from the applicant
on
[31:57] whether bonds would be posted for
remediation of the tanks in the future.
[32:03] » Okay. Yep. That was another great point.
Okay. Um the third discussion point
[32:09] which I I mentioned or Zach mentioned
and brought up about the the ingress
[32:14] egress. Um that would have to be um
it could be split with a stipulation
[32:24] that there's a no traffic or or um um
>> I'm not sure how to put that on a
[32:31] motion. Tim,
>> maybe we could work maybe we can work on
[32:35] that while we wait if this assuming that
the tableling occurs.
[32:40] » Yep.
>> Yep.
[32:44] » Is there a second on Mark's first?
>> Yeah, I'll make a second to uh table it
[32:51] for the next meeting
or discussion.
[32:59] Any other discussions or comments?
[33:03] So, we have a first and a second with
conditions. Does everybody um
[33:09] vote on that as an I?
>> I
[33:12] » I
>> I
[33:13] » I
>> Okay, we So, it's tabled for sub for the
[33:18] following conditions. a 24hour
um permit if it's within that standard
[33:26] of the um the liability or li liable for
the permit usage and then the
[33:34] um the bond for the tanks for future
removal
[33:42] » or thereabout.
And and Tim, I did want to point out on
[33:46] the southeast corner of that lot parcel
split, it looks like it looks like going
[33:50] over to Algar Drive, there might be like
a small driven curb cut dirt path that
[33:56] has gone in. That just might be
something to keep an eye on when you go
[34:00] in. Okay. So,
[34:09] » you said on the souththeast
>> Yeah. side of where the parcel would be
[34:13] split for the 7-Eleven presumably
>> essentially kind of where their
[34:18] dumpsters at or is it
>> Yeah. Um back it goes over towards like
[34:22] KNA electric right behind the Duncan. So
>> okay, my guess is all of that would get
[34:28] cleaned up in this process. Um anyway,
but yeah um I'll mention that to our
[34:35] engineers as well.
>> Okay.
[34:45] Taylor, thank you for joining us.
>> Yeah, thanks.
[34:53] » Tim, do you have anything else on that?
>> There are no additions on that
[34:59] particular item.
>> Okay. So then we can move on to the
[35:03] amended amendment sub3-2026
[35:09] at 8310
Sylvania Menamore Road which is also
[35:14] another old right building.
[35:23] » We've been wondering what these would
become.
[35:26] [laughter]
[35:29] I've been wondering every day
>> as you look at it.
[35:32] » We got You got one more. We got one
more. Right. Actually, we got two more.
[35:37] » Yeah.
>> Oh, good. Good. I'm glad that things are
[35:40] progressing with them. That's very
important.
[35:46] So, you have There we There we are. So,
um
[35:52] So, we have the application. And is
there any presentation you'd like to
[35:56] give us or your full name to for the
minutes?
[36:02] » I think Tony is here, our architect.
>> This is Donald.
[36:07] » Louis and I unfortunately did not get a
chance to um coordinate before this, but
[36:11] I do have a presentation of what was
submitted and and it'll probably a
[36:15] little bit more. If you don't mind, I
can uh share screen here.
[36:18] » Yep. Can you just state your name and
representation? My name is Anthony
[36:23] Malik. I am with Architecture by Design
at um 5622 Mayberry Square.
[36:29] » Thank you.
>> And let me do um this one. I'll start
[36:36] with a with a maps view.
Um so this is the right at the corner of
[36:41] Centennial and Sennsylvania Metamora. Um
just to just to give an idea of what it
[36:47] looks like from street view so we know
what we're looking at here. That's
[36:50] looking the other way. Um, that's how
it's been for a little while here. Um,
[36:55] what we are proposing and I'm sorry,
this is rotated versus north is to the
[36:59] left. Centennial is here. Sylvania
metamora is here. This is Centennial.
[37:06] Let me make that red so you can see it.
This is Centennial.
[37:12] Um, this is Sylvania Metamora.
Um,
[37:18] would be
design intent here is to
[37:23] split the building into um three
different
[37:28] um spaces. One of which is going to be
the convenience store closest to the
[37:32] corner. Um the center of which is going
to actually be a car wash that will work
[37:37] within the bay that's that's there now.
And then the third part would be a
[37:41] another tenant space. It's it's a large
building for a convenience store. So
[37:45] therefore, we wanted to split it into
three separate spaces. We did look at
[37:48] the clearance for putting um fuel
dispensers in front of the building and
[37:54] parking would potentially go away, but
there's lots and lots of parking. Um so
[37:58] there would be space for a car to stack
here if need be as well. So 2 4 6 8 10
[38:04] pumps. Um not modifying any of the
existing um ingress and egress from the
[38:11] from the site. Now um there's existing
um dumpster enclosures in the back. Um,
[38:16] keep the in entry drive where it is. Uh,
let me zoom out and go to page two here.
[38:22] Just just show the
elevations. And I'm sorry, now my video
[38:27] card wants to take a little time to
render this, but um, essentially keeping
[38:32] a similar shape of the building, just
giving it some freshener materials. Um,
[38:36] some new canopies and of course a new
overhead door and a little bit of
[38:39] architecture where the car wash is going
in. Um, Louie, do you have anything to
[38:44] add to this?
Um, no. I think you covered it all.
[38:50] » Okay,
[38:54] » I guess. Are there any questions?
[39:02] Um
I guess car um most time I see new car
[39:08] washes just being in real estate myself
developed in hight traffic or areas you
[39:13] know with like 30 or 40,000 vehicles a
day.
[39:17] Um,
I'm just curious with this location and
[39:23] with it going in, um, just what else
would potentially could be to use in the
[39:28] future if it were to not work for some
reason. I know that you guys have the
[39:33] fuel that works with it. But driving
through the middle, I mean, like to put
[39:36] a would it be a car bay or a maintenance
bay or what the future use would be
[39:42] potentially?
[39:46] I mean, it's a it's a setup for a car
wash and uh
[39:53] we thinking to do those um the touchless
car wash is like a b car washes. Now, if
[40:00] that if you think that's not going to
work or we think that's not going to
[40:03] work, it would be like a tenant
unit or a storage unit. That's I mean I
[40:09] don't have anything
uh to think right
[40:16] » like the end unit
you would be getting rid of that driving
[40:20] capacity or the where like the
drive-thru is
[40:24] » no actually we would like to keep it a
driveth through that's incentive for to
[40:29] be a tenant
um uh for anyone that any business that
[40:35] would like to have a drive-thru could be
Okay.
[40:38] » It could be a pharmacy, you know, I know
there's a pharmacy independent open or
[40:44] could be in a restaurant. It could be a
pizza place. Anyone
[40:50] would be willing to take it. It's an
advantage to have a drive-thru.
[40:54] » Gotcha. So there would be two drivethrus
potentially
[41:02] for the end cap unit and the center
[41:07] » or just
>> Yes. I think you're one one being the
[41:11] drive-thru the actual drive through the
building car wash.
[41:16] » Okay.
>> Yes. I think that's what you're asking.
[41:18] » Yes.
>> Yep.
[41:24] And how traffic will work, I guess,
would be um could be
[41:29] determined, updated as need be depending
on meetings with the city specifically.
[41:33] But um I guess getting the use in is the
issue. I mean, obviously there's a
[41:38] drive-thru now. So um and that that's
got it stacking and everything going on
[41:42] here.
I was just I I was curious if there was
[41:46] going to be two drive-throughs for that
other bay. Um that will be for lease on
[41:51] the southernmost side. So
>> be a drive-thru for that as well. We had
[41:58] not discussed that.
>> So
[41:59] » okay.
>> So a couple of questions in regards to
[42:03] the car wash.
Is this
[42:07] are there going to be um dryers inside
the car wash?
[42:14] Not inside the um Yes. Yeah. There
they're going to be dryers and up by the
[42:19] exit. Yes.
>> Okay. And and how far is this from
[42:25] residences to the west? As I'm trying to
get my geographic bearings
[42:34] » to the west. I think you got quite a
ways. I think to the east,
[42:40] just slightly to the northeast is your
closest resonant. Right there where he's
[42:43] got the arrow pointing.
>> Yeah, cuz I know these blowers make
[42:49] noise a reasonable amount of noise. Um,
will the will the doors in the facility
[42:57] be closed
when the blower mo when the blowers are
[43:01] running or is it going to be like a
continuous thing where people are
[43:05] continuing to drive up and pull through?
How what's what's your vision for that,
[43:09] Mr. Rei?
>> Well, it could be both ways. They can
[43:12] simply programmed the door stay closed
until the drying is done.
[43:18] Then it will the door will open and the
exit sign will turn on.
[43:23] » Okay.
>> So yeah,
[43:26] » that's what what we do during winter
because it's too cold. Uh it's already
[43:32] in place. We we have the doors closed
and other car washes we have in White
[43:36] House. And if that's a concern, we can
keep it all year long.
[43:42] » Yeah, that sound attenuation I think
would be helpful. Um,
[43:49] and and I'm going to ask you pretty much
the same questions I asked the other um
[43:55] gentleman. Is this going to be the
convenience store and the car wash, are
[43:59] they going to be operated 24/7?
No, not um probably usually most of our
[44:06] neighborhood stores we close 11 p.m. Uh
some stores 10 p.m. but I would say no
[44:14] later than 11 p.m.
>> Okay.
[44:18] A and same question I asked um
earlier. Is this facility going to be um
[44:26] constructed so that you can have
electric charging? I mean, you're going
[44:30] to, not that you're going to wire it for
electric charging necessarily, but are
[44:34] you going to have um the ability to put
electric charging here?
[44:41] » Um I don't know, Tony, if we ever
discussed this. I'm not sure because we
[44:45] use an existing building.
>> We we had not discussed it. I mean, the
[44:48] electrical infrastructure would need to
be added to the building in order to do
[44:51] that, especially if you want the level
the level three fast charge. So, um that
[44:56] that could be down the road. Um it was
not specifically discussed but it could
[45:00] be down the road.
>> Okay. Um and and then lastly
[45:05] the um the same question regarding bond.
Is this uh
[45:13] is that something that you're
um because you're you know you're
[45:18] burying tanks. I don't know how big the
tanks are capacity wise but are you you
[45:22] know are you willing to float a bond to
for remediation purposes?
[45:28] Yes.
>> Okay.
[45:31] Thank you.
[45:50] » Any other questions, Tim? All right.
Everything
[45:55] » Yeah, this will go through the same
process of site review. So, um
[45:59] everything will be um reviewed on the
engineering side as [clears throat] far
[46:03] as traffic flow um in grass egress. Most
of it because this facility has been
[46:10] used as a fairly hightra area. Um in the
past, as you know, this right a was one
[46:14] of the busier ones. Um it uh it it held
its own um in the past. Um, so I think a
[46:23] lot of it is probably designed um,
right? But that that will all get
[46:27] calculated based based off of um,
expected trips.
[46:31] Um, as far as the uh, the other portion
of it, um, the SUP portion is do they
[46:40] meet the criteria that this board would
like to see?
[46:47] » Yeah. Yeah.
[46:52] Can I ask for a motion on uh amendment
sub3-2026?
[46:58] I'll I'll make a motion to recommend to
um
[47:04] to city council that for approval of
SUP3
[47:09] 2000 2026 with um the provision that the
doors to the car wash be closed while
[47:18] the drying is going on and that the
underground tanks have a bond for
[47:23] remediation purposes
included. And lastly, that the that the
[47:29] convenience store
does not operate 20
[47:35] closes no later than
um
[47:42] I'm trying to think of the right words.
Doesn't operate 24/7. That it has a
[47:48] a more traditional schedule. And I don't
know if that's a proper motion or not,
[47:51] Tim. Um but
>> I think
[47:56] that or within the permitted code.
>> Um would I be able to request just just
[48:02] » whichever whichever is more restricting?
>> Yeah.
[48:06] » Yeah.
>> Would I be able to request a slight
[48:08] clarification to that? Um, and I don't
know um the the doors being closed if if
[48:14] it can be proven if the fans can be such
that the decibb at a certain distance
[48:18] away are below a certain level and I
don't know what that number is. I'm
[48:22] sorry. I'm winging it here. Um, would
that be a better criteria if they were
[48:27] able to leave the doors open and the
fans weren't that loud?
[48:32] Could we do a decibel test at a certain
distance away? And if they if it isn't
[48:35] um, like Lou said, the doors could be
closed.
[48:38] » Yeah. And I will um add to that there is
a a decibel level at a property line
[48:45] that can be measured by our police
department. I do not know exactly what
[48:49] that level if it's 600 or 800 or
something like that.
[48:54] » Yeah, I'd rather I'd rather use
>> 680 or 860 rings a bell.
[49:00] » I'd rather use a criteria like that if
possible. Um Mr.
[49:06] Um
[49:14] I don't know what's in the code. I my
concern with that my concern with that
[49:19] just generally speaking and I understand
your thought process and I I prefer the
[49:23] scientific approach as well but I but I
have some just general concerns uh not
[49:30] specifically about a car wash and the
blower motors but we've had um some
[49:36] other stuff that that were were that
were installed in the city and the on
[49:41] and off nature the in this case it was
um not doesn't have anything to do with
[49:47] a car wash, but uh we've we've had a lot
of of complaints from a few citizens
[49:55] um because of the intermittent nature of
something going on and off
[49:59] » and and that's the reason why it
concerns it concerns me.
[50:05] » Okay. I just wanted to ask. [laughter]
>> So I I I think Well, I understand your
[50:11] thought process and I'm not married
certainly to that. It doesn't sound like
[50:16] it would be
because for four or five months a year
[50:19] you're going to have the doors closed
anyways as as Mr. Rei had indicated. I'm
[50:23] not sure it's that much of an imposition
to have them closed regardless.
[50:29] » Yeah.
So, okay. I just wanted to ask as far as
[50:34] you know putting it into a into a motion
here just Okay, that's my comment.
[50:45] » Is there any reason that the car wash
does not function [clears throat]
[50:48] equally as well?
[50:54] » I think Mr. Reed probably answers that
would answer that better.
[50:58] » I'm sorry. What was the question again?
With the garage door closed, is there
[51:02] any reason that the the car wash does
not function equally as well?
[51:09] » No, no, it's it doesn't matter. It's
just the speed sometimes, you know, just
[51:15] it's easier to keep the door open, but
but with the new technology, it's it's
[51:21] there. You can have it shut up and down
as many as you want. It's not a concern
[51:27] on our end. Okay.
[51:40] So, Kristen, do you have my motion?
[51:44] » I think so. I'm gonna have to go back
and listen again.
[51:48] » Okay. [laughter]
I have a recording.
[51:51] » It was It was a touch convoluted or
maybe more [laughter] more than a touch
[51:55] convoluted. Yeah,
>> I'll second his motion [laughter]
[52:01] » by by a touch convoluted motion. Zach,
[52:07] » all in favor say I.
>> I.
[52:10] » I.
[52:13] the motion's been carried or the um
amendment sub 3-2026
[52:21] been um
carried on and then with Mark's
[52:27] additional comments
>> as a recommendation to council
[52:30] » as a recommendation to council.
[52:36] » Any other additions Tim?
>> There are no additions.
[52:42] And I ask for a motion for uh journ.
>> So moved.
[52:46] » Second.
>> All in favor say I.
[52:50] » I.
>> That's it. Thank you everyone.
[52:54] » Thank you everybody.
>> Thank you. Did anybody have problems
[52:58] getting
access to the forms? Did anybody look at
[53:04] the online stuff now? Um,