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[2:05] good
evening good evening good evening hello
[2:09] can can you hear me not a very big room
so I hope you can um welcome to the
[2:16] talaa city council special meeting it's
Thursday April the 4th 2024 it's 5:30
[2:23] p.m. and we call the meeting to order
please councelor Perry yes councelor
[2:29] Baker here councelor hirers here
councelor Allen here we have a qu thank
[2:36] you Ed Hayworth are you here Mr Hayworth
if you'll join us for the invocation
[2:45] please please bow your
heads Lord I Thank you that that we have
[2:51] a a group of men and women who care
about each and every person that depends
[2:58] on them Lord the city of talaa is is
such a great place Lord and and and I
[3:06] bless those people that have dedicated
their lives to make to keeping it that
[3:10] way or even making it
better if that's possible Lord I I thank
[3:16] you for the wisdom and and the the love
and the care Lord I I I pray Lord for a
[3:24] a lighter Spirit to sit down on this
meeting uh not a heavy
[3:30] doldrum Spirit but a light Spirit a fun
spirit and bless everybody that cares
[3:37] enough to come in Jesus's name I pray
[3:53] amen
[3:58] indice
I do want to um just briefly mention my
[4:03] apologies for cancelling the meeting on
Monday and moving it to today but I
[4:07] watched The Weather Channel and that was
our um at 12:30 when the storm rolled in
[4:12] I was a little disappointed that we had
called the meeting off I was
[4:15] disappointed at six o'clock we called
the meeting off and there was nothing
[4:18] but so my apologies for those that um
may have come and were turned away but
[4:22] thank you for being here
[4:26] tonight public comments will be accepted
from the general public concerning
[4:32] topics that are not included in the
meeting's agenda individuals will be
[4:36] limited to 3 minutes each of speaking
time and the cumulative total of all
[4:41] comments from the public shall not
exceed 15
[4:44] minutes preference will be given to
talaa Residents and in compliance with
[4:49] the Oklahoma open meeting act no action
or discussion is permitted by council
[4:54] members on any issue or topic raised by
a speaker during this public comment
[4:58] time is there anyone in the audience who
would like to give a public comment step
[5:04] up and state your name and address
please or Ward you don't have to give us
[5:09] your address if you'll tell us what Ward
you're in please uh good evening um
[5:13] greetings mayor and Council my name is
William Morgan uh and I live on elant
[5:18] Rock uh on Highway 10 I'm a resident of
tall and proud to call this my home the
[5:25] older that has affected tall's business
and residence is a concern for myself
[5:29] and Community I appreciate the effort uh
the city and tpwa are doing to rectify
[5:35] the situation and as I mentioned I am a
business owner and I may have options to
[5:40] eradicate this problem in a quick manner
while being coste effective I'll also
[5:44] have options to mitigate the risk of
this happening in the
[5:47] future uh I'm aware of the magnitude of
this event this takes big thinking and
[5:52] that is a specialty of mine that I do
believe I have so I'm looking for the
[5:56] opportunity to speak with those
individuals who are heading this up uh
[5:59] this is not a sales call because I'm a
voting member in our community and I
[6:03] have personal investments in tall
including the city of tall theal Area
[6:08] Chamber of Commerce nor Eastern State
University Cherokee Nation and numerous
[6:12] other projects within our great nest of
Northeast Oklahoma the success of our
[6:18] community uh the success of our
community in all aspects is my concern
[6:22] as I do call it my home I will
contribute accordingly I'm able willing
[6:27] and eager to contribute to the answer
which I know that we can come to an
[6:31] answer that we can come to I'm readily
available to any member to speak to at
[6:35] your convenience I believe most of you
know how to reach me want to thank you
[6:38] mayor and Council for your time so
[6:45] much do we have anyone
[6:51] else and a lot of you know me I'm Jim
jolof I live at 1505 Aspen Drive in
[6:58] South Bridge
we've got an issue out there for storm
[7:03] water and I've I've
spoken to Ray Hammond number of times
[7:09] about
this um Mr tanah
[7:12] Hill has been out there in my house and
looked at the situation you it's a
[7:17] problem needs to be
fixed uh Rick Patrick of
[7:22] tpwa has been out there a couple of
times and looked at it and he agreed
[7:26] that soon as it dries up we're going to
fix it
[7:30] um the storm water manager came
out uh young man first thing he told me
[7:36] when he got there I've only got a week
left in the job and I'm leaving so
[7:41] whatever you need you need to wait till
the next guy comes
[7:45] along I said okay I'll I'll do that I
called him I never have met him yet he
[7:51] never returned to call and I don't I
don't know who he is
[7:54] so
[7:57] um I've left a number of messages for
the mayor and have not had any return
[8:04] calls but um we've got a storm water at
back there right behind my house I'm
[8:09] right I can see the the hotel where I'm
my back patio I'm fortunate enough I can
[8:16] watch the Cherokee Nation fireworks
display from my patio I like that that's
[8:21] a that's a heck of a show they put on
but um we've made numerous phone calls
[8:26] and I I don't I don't think I'm in the
right place uh the city council is just
[8:31] just a new thing I've never done this
before and uh we we've got an issue back
[8:38] there it's in the city tal it's in the
city limits it's an
[8:41] niore the mosquitoes during the summer
eat us up and it's not only me it's
[8:48] everybody lives in that particular
neighborhood right
[8:52] there they call it storm water
[8:56] drainage this water doesn't drain
doesn't go anywhere it sits right where
[9:01] it's at I keep being told by a lot of
people a lot of people in this room
[9:05] matter of fact soon as it dries up we're
going to come in here and fix
[9:10] that it's never going to dry
up but you're safe because when it dries
[9:16] up you can fix it but we'll all be dead
and gone before that
[9:21] happens but um if I can get any
assistance from the city of
[9:26] council city of T quad I really
appreciate it it's it's an niore they
[9:32] they sent a a a contractor in there to
trim the lines for the high
[9:36] lines they trimmed all the limbs off the
trees and left them laying on the ground
[9:42] just let went off and left them there
I've been burning
[9:47] them it's if you burn a brush pile in
City Telo it's a $50 fine I didn't do
[9:54] that I went to for fire department and
talked to him about it Mr if you haul it
[9:58] out to the street
time's up okay but thank you very much
[10:02] for your comments okay you can help me I
appreciate it thank you so
[10:17] much the end of the public comments or
no no no are you ready to do you want to
[10:23] do a public comment
yeah got some issues here okay please
[10:28] step up now I'm brand new in this
town so um maybe just remind you you get
[10:35] three minutes so and I'm not trying to
won be long just letting you know you're
[10:40] right I tried to contact your office too
but they get no response and what's your
[10:45] name please my name is Steve odland and
I live at
[10:48] 3962 Rosewood Place here in
alqua okay we moved in here two years
[10:56] ago all right and I called your office
initially you were going to have a
[11:01] meeting with me I have some suggestions
to
[11:04] make uh we had a conflict and after that
or meetings and after that I never heard
[11:09] from you again so it'd be great if we
could get together
[11:13] sometime all right so um one of the
issues that I
[11:19] have is
um there's the gas company here in town
[11:25] not the
twpa uh the other company whatever that
[11:29] name is they don't even say the name on
the on the bills
[11:34] here I'm sure you know what company you
I'm talking about uh this company has as
[11:41] far as I can see and I looked at the
bills uh set up a a
[11:47] policy uh where people they make people
pay more than what they're supposed to
[11:54] okay
um uh my wife had a hip surger in fville
[12:01] and during that time before we left she
forgot U she
[12:05] forgot uh to put the bill in the
mail and so as a result we came back
[12:10] after her hip surgery for three days we
came back on the
[12:14] 21st and uh we looked I looked in the
mail picked up the mail and among the
[12:20] mailes was a cut off
notice okay and I looked at the bill and
[12:25] the due date was the 15th of January and
the cut off was was the 21st six days
[12:32] later okay as far as I'm concerned
that's ridiculous that's
[12:37] outrageous all right um so they cut me
off I got the people to come back out
[12:44] and turn it back on all right and I
talked to the guy that that uh turned me
[12:49] back on and he told me it's happening
all over the place is happening there
[12:54] were the 21st of that that very day that
they cut me off I received a letter in
[13:01] the mail or cut off okay that gives you
a good idea he told me that up to the
[13:07] 21st of January they had cut off 250
people just here in
[13:13] tala okay and he said and they're
operating in still well and they're
[13:18] operating in in these other four
districts and I'm thinking to myself
[13:22] every time they cut somebody off they
make
[13:26] $75 okay now $75 5 time 250 just here in
tar that that's a lot of lot of money
[13:35] and that's just in tar every
month right so my point is it would it
[13:41] would be a privilege for that company to
operate here in tala that should be
[13:45] subjected to certain rules and this got
to change it's got to change yes and I
[13:50] do apologize but your three minutes are
up but I do want to visit with you but I
[13:53] also want to give you the phone number
and the contact information for the gas
[13:57] Authority because that's this particular
issue I contacted the Energy company
[14:03] okay incom Commission in in Tulsa and
they said they have no jurisdiction on
[14:08] this company right but let let's try to
get together and if you have other
[14:12] issues that aren't pertaining to gas
company I would be happy to visit with
[14:14] you schedule another time issues I have
be happy to sir thank you very much
[14:20] would I call you then or you call me I
don't have your number but if I I don't
[14:24] want you to scream it out across the
audience I don't think I would love to
[14:27] have your number do you want to write it
down and give it to me okay okay if you
[14:30] would that would be great thank
you anyone else for a public
[14:39] comment okay we'll move on to consent
agenda item number four these items are
[14:45] placed on the on the consent agenda so
that members of the city council by
[14:49] unanimous consent can designate routine
items to be approved in one motion any
[14:53] item proposed on the consent agenda not
meeting with the approval of all council
[14:57] members will be moved and heard in the
regular session do I have a motion for
[15:02] the consent agenda so move I'd I take
off C
[15:14] please are there any other items to be
[15:27] removed
[15:37] second any other items or is there
[15:42] motion
[15:46] V I didn't see who made the
motion oh no it was Baker no I took off
[15:54] he took off an item oh my God sorry you
made to approve with C remove
[16:01] yes councelor Allen yes councelor H
highers yes councelor Baker yes counc
[16:07] Perry
[16:18] motion that's uh we we'll do a special
Proclamation for National donate a life
[16:25] month oh
that's right
[16:32] Mr Ray
Hammond are you doing
[16:37] it we need a dress rehearsal we do okay
so Proclamation I do have a proclamation
[16:43] then we have some guests with us this
evening that we'd like to introduce to
[16:46] everyone so the proclamation reads as
follows whereas one of the most
[16:51] meaningful gifts that a human being can
bestow upon another is the gift of life
[16:56] and whereas over 103,000 men women and
children are currently on the national
[17:02] waiting list for organ
transplantation of which nearly 742
[17:07] reside in Oklahoma and whereas 649 organ
transplants occurred in Oklahoma in 2023
[17:14] thanks to the selfless generosity donor
Heroes of which 559 lives were saved
[17:22] whereas more than 2.5 million people
throughout the country and in Oklahoma
[17:26] benefit annually from tissue transplant
thanks to thousands of tissue donors and
[17:32] whereas the need for organ eye and
tissue donation remains critical as a
[17:36] new patient is added to the wait
National waiting list for an organ
[17:40] transplant every nine minutes and eight
each day roughly 17 people died due to
[17:47] the lack of available organs and whereas
about
[17:52] 1,956 th000 Oklahomans have already
registered their decision to give the
[17:56] gift of life through organ and tissue
donation at lifeshare oklahoma. org or
[18:02] on their driver's license and whereas
lifeshare Oklahoma the nonprofit organ
[18:08] procurement organization dedicated to
the recovery of organs and tissue for
[18:13] transplantation therapy in Oklahoma with
a mission to honor donors and save lives
[18:18] through o organ and tissue donation now
I therefore Suzanne Myers with a power
[18:23] vested in me as mayor of the city of
talaa to hereby proclaim the month of
[18:27] April 24th for donation life month in
the city of talaa and encourage all
[18:34] residents to consider giving life
through Oregan donation and to sign up
[18:38] on Oklahoma's organ and tissue donor
registry by visiting lifeshare
[18:43] registry.org or when renewing their
driver's license or state
[18:48] identification card in witness thereof I
have unto here set my hand and caused
[18:53] the Great Seal of the city of talaa to
be fixed this first day of April 20 24
[18:59] and I'm happy to do
[19:14] that thank
[Music]
[19:27] you
[19:43] thank you very much mayor my name is
Susan earler I work at Life share
[19:47] Oklahoma I have um the wonderful
opportunity to be able to work for this
[19:52] organization um they are an amazing
organization and like you said mayor
[19:56] there's so many things that we do every
day to save lives um Donate Life month
[20:01] is something that is a national
celebration of life across the entire
[20:04] country um Life share of Oklahoma were
the ones that that celebrate it through
[20:09] the entire State we want to first off
say very uh huge thank you out to your
[20:13] two Health Systems here in talaa because
we work very very closely with Cherokee
[20:18] Nation WW Hastings and Northeastern
Health Systems who um absolutely support
[20:24] everything that we do when it comes to
organ and tissue donation and we have um
[20:29] a large number of donors that come from
this community and so we are very
[20:32] thankful of that one of the things that
I just want to touch on that you also
[20:36] touched on is uh the need for more organ
and tissue donors um we have quite a
[20:42] number here in the state of Oklahoma but
there's always room for I think a lot of
[20:46] times there is a a miscommunication on
what exactly donation means and we are
[20:51] more than happy to sit down and talk to
anybody about exactly what that's going
[20:55] to look like but more than anything we
would like to encourage you to take
[20:59] control of your own decision making and
make sure that you yourself are
[21:03] registered um you can register like you
said on your driver's license in the
[21:06] state of Oklahoma you can also register
on your hunting and fishing license you
[21:10] can register on your real ID and then
you can also register on the Life share
[21:14] website uh the Life share website what's
different about that is it allows you
[21:18] the opportunity to say exactly what you
want uh recovered and what you don't
[21:22] want recovered so my mom who's 85 years
old has decided that everything is okay
[21:26] except for her corneas she's like take
everything but my corneas she's good
[21:31] with that she was not going to register
because she was concerned about that so
[21:34] on the live share website you can go on
that and that's where you can designate
[21:39] um I authorize any and all things
recovered except for and you can um and
[21:44] that way you have uh control over what
it is that your decisions are um as
[21:48] someone who's on the front line every
single day it is heartbreaking to see
[21:52] families literally go to fisticuffs when
it comes to making this decision you'll
[21:57] have a faction of the family that says
absolutely they would want this and then
[22:00] affection absolutely they would not and
uh time is wasting when it comes to the
[22:06] decisions being made in the time that we
need to be able to recover these uh
[22:10] these organs and this tissue and so if
you can make that decision yourself make
[22:14] it be known and also you can rest
assured in knowing that because of first
[22:18] person authorization if you have been
the one that has designated that you
[22:22] want to be a donor you're a registered
donor nobody can ever take that away
[22:26] from you and that's very very important
for for people to know that if they've
[22:29] made that decision nobody in their
family not a husband not a spouse I mean
[22:34] not you know anybody else uh Mom Dad
nobody can change your mind if you've
[22:38] already made that decision and you've
registered so you can also feel
[22:42] comfortable in knowing that your
decision is going to be um it's going to
[22:46] be looked at and we are going to make
sure that that happens so just wanted to
[22:49] make sure everybody knows that this
month is uh we said Donate Life month
[22:53] we've chosen the paper crane uh origami
crane to be sort of our theme this year
[22:58] so mayor I have a T-shirt and a pen and
I also have pins for everybody else if
[23:02] you'd like to wear one just wear it
proudly and when people ask you what
[23:05] this means that'll be your opportunity
to tell them that talaa supports uh
[23:09] organ and tissue donation and that this
is the month to do it and we need people
[23:14] to be registering all year around but
this is definitely the month that we
[23:17] kind of focus on that so we genuinely
appreciate you recognizing the work that
[23:23] we do and recognizing um that it is such
an important thing for everybody to take
[23:28] a look at and make a decision than time
thank you for what you do every day than
[23:36] you that'd be fine yeah thank you so
much goodies she's full of goodies right
[23:43] yeah thank
[23:47] you moving
on announcements and presentations Item
[23:52] B cpwa statement to the
[23:57] public
[24:06] good evening my name is Kim Dar I'm the
assistant general manager at tala Public
[24:10] Works um please forgive us Mr Curtis was
unavailable this evening he was he could
[24:15] have been here Monday but not tonight um
I have David with me David Lindsay he
[24:20] worked at the waste treatment plant for
uh 15 years before being promoted to
[24:25] special services director um he has our
letter that Mr Curtis and the rest of us
[24:31] put together that was posted on our
Facebook page and I will let him read it
[24:35] since you probably don't want to listen
to me much
[24:38] more thank
[24:42] you good evening mayor and Council uh my
name is David
[24:47] Lindsay this statement to the public we
are aware of the odor issues permeating
[24:53] the city and we are aware we are
actively working on correcting this
[24:57] issue We Believe unknown substances were
illegally dumped in our M holes at some
[25:02] point this may seem trivial but it can
seriously disrupt the wastewater
[25:07] treatment process and leave the city
smelling foul the wastewater treatment
[25:11] system relies on bacteria to treat waste
and keep odors at Bay when someone dumps
[25:16] chemicals grease oil Etc in manhold it
can kill the good bacteria used for
[25:22] waste treatment and it can take months
to remedy the situation like this the
[25:26] source of ins sight of the contamination
is currently unknown but we are actively
[25:31] working with EQ to pinpoint this
information the unknown substance
[25:35] completely killed off all the good
bacteria in our basins in my 18 years of
[25:40] experience at wastewater treatment
facility this has only happened one
[25:44] other time we are working with DEQ and
surrounding wastewater treatment
[25:48] facilities oh and the surrounding
wastewater treatment facilities to
[25:51] restore the good bacteria in our
reservoirs we are constantly bringing in
[25:56] sludge process of reing feting our
basins with good bacteria from another
[26:01] facility and even looking into chemical
treatment that may help Quicken the
[26:04] process our laboratory numbers are
currently trending in the right
[26:08] direction but the process is lengthy as
we get the correct balance back of good
[26:14] bacteria the odor will begin to
dissipate we understand the aspiration
[26:20] this has caused our community we are
doing everything in our power and
[26:23] actively working with DQ to remedy the
situation if you hear anyone or see any
[26:30] dumping
any if you hear of anyone or see anyone
[26:35] dumping anything into the manhole report
it to local authorities immediately we
[26:40] appreciate your patience sincerely Daryl
Curtis Waste Water treatment facility or
[26:45] plant
superintendent thank you very much and
[26:48] we appreciate the comment made to the
public
[26:52] and the information that was shared
hopefully that will answer a lot of
[26:56] questions and it's nice to see that
we're moving in a corrective manner to
[27:00] get things back to normal so thank you
very much for the work you've done thank
[27:10] you item 6A discussion and possible
action on items removed from the consent
[27:15] agenda item C was removed acknowledge
receipt of the February 2024 investment
[27:23] schedule uh I'm going to address this to
Marty if you don't mind sir um on page
[27:28] 13 of the uh for the I think it was the
February 2024 investment schedule the I
[27:38] noticed that there were several that
were coming uh due or you know into
[27:45] uh for lack of a better word maturity
the when's the last time that
[27:53] we
uh checked on when's when when would we
[28:00] start that specific
program with that specific
[28:05] company been
at you're probably more generally asking
[28:11] you
[28:16] know it started a long time before I was
on board and um they were a local
[28:22] business I believe and um they were able
to handle the amount of volume dollars
[28:27] that that we had mhm and
um they were able to uh keep all of it
[28:34] in one place to help Minister it I don't
know if that's the question I was just
[28:39] basically I noticed that they were you
know coming to maturity I just was
[28:43] trying to you know at least inquire as
to if we've already checked to see if we
[28:49] can get better rates or a better
opportunity for investment yeah um you
[28:55] know there's always um there's always
opportunity out there you know depending
[29:00] on your work you know I'm a banker so we
have we have them available at our bank
[29:05] yes sir sometimes higher sometimes lower
um but I'm I do Market comps and I stay
[29:12] within the market on them in Market
rates and so um you know there may be a
[29:17] bank that runs a special for a short
period of time but with the amount of
[29:21] money and the amount of CDs we have it's
quite frankly administering it um at one
[29:27] place is I'm a whole lot more organized
we have I think there's probably four
[29:36] maturing um in 24 I might have had one
mature last week uh you know I talked to
[29:42] the broker I knew what I could get I see
what's out in the market um I reinvested
[29:47] it based on a ladder um based on a
ladder positioning that way there's
[29:54] always liquidity um if the city ever
needs some
[29:58] liquidity um there will always be a
source of liquidity for that year and
[30:03] you know versus if you put them all in
once and then they all mature um at the
[30:08] same date in the future you know if
something happens in the city needed
[30:12] money um we would have to you know pay
penalties fees and penalties and
[30:17] interest to get it them out and so um
this way it keeps them fluid but we
[30:22] haven't at least looked into other
opportunities for for quite some time
[30:28] uh I look all the time okay but I mean
it's just that I'm keeping them at
[30:33] Edward
Jones right now
[30:37] okay that was my
question any other questions for Marty
[30:42] or anyone else regarding that
item do we have a motion for that
[30:48] item so moved
second councelor Allen yes councelor
[30:54] Baker yes councelor hirers yes councelor
Perry yes motion
[31:01] carried thank
[31:07] you item 6B discussion and possible
action to authorize the mayor to sign
[31:12] the grant notice of award from Eda to
the talaka accessibility and parking
[31:16] Improvement project and sign other
necessary documents related to set grant
[31:22] compliance coordinator Ray
Hammond mayor and Council this is Eda
[31:28] grant that we received uh in the tune of
a little north of 1.8 million this is a
[31:34] grant that Taylor had been working on
for some time uh and and initiated it
[31:39] came it goes from going snake roughly to
Chickasaw uh where they will be uh
[31:46] correcting the ADA Compliant uh plates
and and ramps also the push button
[31:54] crosswalks as well as Ada drives uh they
will be submitting uh a plan uh as to uh
[32:03] uh as to how they're going to implement
this but the the grant funds are in we
[32:08] were awarded that and uh we are
requesting that the mayor be allowed to
[32:13] accept those funds for that Grant
purpose the money that matching fund has
[32:19] already been uh secured through uh means
of arpa and the help of Michelle Collins
[32:25] our finance
director
[32:28] and this will also include uh some
parking lot improvements correct you
[32:33] know I'm I'm not going to speak to that
I I think there is but I think it's
[32:38] going to help like the the demo of the
building down at the old laundry mat and
[32:43] then maybe possibly some parking up
around Downing and uh maybe maybe
[32:49] possibly a Bridgeway I don't
[32:52] know we'll see how it
goes we'll see what you guys want to do
[32:59] motion to approve second councelor Allen
yes councelor Perry yes councelor Baker
[33:06] yes councelor hirers yes motion carried
$1.9
[33:12] million sort really close
congratulations to everyone
[33:19] that I would like to say that Michelle
put a lot of effort in with the Auditors
[33:23] making this thing happen correctly she
really her and her crew did an
[33:27] outstanding job making it
[33:33] work item 6C second reading and possible
action to approve approve with
[33:38] modification or deny ordinance number
1376
[33:44] d024 an ordinance of the city of Taqua
Oklahoma amending the Taqua city code
[33:49] part 18 stormwater management chapter
18-1 storm water management program
[33:55] section 18-8 s fees providing for
codification severability repealer and
[34:02] declaring an emergency compliance
coordinator Ray
[34:06] Hammond uh yes this is a second reading
as you've heard uh same as before uh
[34:13] since the
initial uh beginnings of our storm water
[34:17] program we have not increased any fees
uh and the projects uh as you know
[34:23] materials has doubled since the roughly
2008 so uh sometimes in some cases
[34:30] tripled but we do uh we're asking that
the fees uh be increased from at
[34:36] residential from $2 to $4 uh from
commercial $4 to $8 and for uh other
[34:44] larger complexes it which there's not
very many would be from $8 to
[34:50] $16
monthly sorry Mr the ordinance presented
[34:55] is from $10 to 20 I apologize
I apologize uh this will put us also
[35:01] kind of almost caught up with most other
cities as far as what they charge for
[35:05] storm water
[35:11] pce is there a
[35:18] motion I make motion to
[35:22] approve I'll
second councelor hirers yes councelor
[35:28] Baker yes councelor Perry yes councelor
Allen yes motion
[35:39] carried do we have a motion for
[35:48] emergency before this starts I'll make
the question it is there any safety
[35:52] issues that that we need to look at or
does this qualify for that
[35:58] I I just think the the ordinance has an
effective date of July one so even if
[36:03] you pass an emergency still noted till
July at last meeting we I think we were
[36:11] all in accordance that we would just go
ahead and and read it as the second not
[36:15] do the emergency and a lap to take a p
[36:23] July item 6C first reading and possible
action to approve approv with
[36:28] modifications or deny or ordinance
number 1377 d224 an ordinance of the
[36:34] city of tala Oklahom amending the tala
city code part 17 utilities part 175
[36:41] Solid Waste Department establishment and
collection and disposal of solid waste
[36:46] by adding section
17-5 intensive residential developments
[36:52] providing
[36:56] for
lift your page yes providing for
[37:01] codification separability repealer and
declaring an
[37:05] emergency Solid Waste superintendent
Chris
[37:18] Armstrong
hello um the reason we're asking to uh
[37:24] update this and add it is because a lot
of of these um Family dwellings have
[37:31] multiple H like have multiple houses
there's you know 10 trailers or there's
[37:36] six duplexes so if these places want
carts there's going to be an
[37:41] overabundance of carts like just there a
lot of these places have high uh renters
[37:46] they come in and out they come and go
this will help protect those uh Property
[37:50] Owners uh from getting their cart stolen
because if their resident steals their
[37:54] cart the um property owners responsible
to replace that cart for the cost of $90
[38:00] so if we have a centralized dumpster
that they can go to like that will keep
[38:06] you know some of these landlord U or
Property Owners having to reach into
[38:11] their book to uh pay for these dumpsters
so a centralized locations for trailers
[38:17] apartments and duplexes with a larger um
housing of four so two two duplexes
[38:25] which would be four units like we're not
really about that is just the greater so
[38:30] would these uh be required to have a
fence around them like we have at other
[38:35] establishments across the um city I
would say so because that's still part
[38:40] of the city code uh if it is tucked away
because like a part of the code says
[38:44] that if it's an I view or like in the
public view then they have to have it
[38:48] enclosed but if it is say you have like
a like a a u yes and it's tucked off in
[38:54] the back then you don't have to so it's
like some of these businesses around
[38:58] here that have it behind their building
if our truck can swing it then they
[39:02] don't have to have the enclosure it's
just if it's out on the public view so
[39:06] if you can see it from the road you're
supposed to have an
[39:11] enclosure
questions as a cost effective measure
[39:16] this you
know you know not knowing whether or how
[39:21] many people are going to be affected on
building the fences or whatever uh you
[39:25] think this is going to save not only
time money yes uh for us and the
[39:30] property owners because uh the more stop
like the more trash canins you have the
[39:34] more we have to stop and pick it up and
dump it so if a hydraulic line breaks
[39:39] it's all over the property um so if you
have eight units and they all have two
[39:43] that's 16 times we have to stop but if
they have a three yard dumpster we back
[39:48] in we dump it we leave we're not
stopping and go and stopping and go
[39:52] stopping and go so um if everything is
paved correctly or Gra TR correctly
[39:58] we're in and out and our traffic on our
side for our vehicles and you know the
[40:02] safety part of it if it snows or
anything it's less likely we're going to
[40:05] slide into somebody or hurt anybody or
anything like that so um to me it sounds
[40:11] like a a great idea to get in and out
and not have to linger around their
[40:15] houses or their cars or anything like
that how many locations for these multi
[40:19] families uh right now I haven't really
took a headcount uh I I know on Corn
[40:25] Street they have some development going
uh this was just something I've been
[40:28] working on just trying to figure out how
this can help the community U so to give
[40:33] you an exact number there there's not a
lot like bumblebee trailer park over on
[40:39] Allen uh Vance trailer park and some
other ones have already bought into it
[40:44] so we have dumpsters there uh it's just
these newer housing developments with
[40:49] these guys coming in building and all
this stuff I like to have them plotted
[40:53] in their layout and their blueprints
before and I don't just jump on them and
[40:58] say hey you got to build this now too so
we put it in our ordinance it' be you
[41:03] know up to date for them too did you
find out how many locations yeah I mean
[41:08] just kind of you know I just am curious
on that yeah I can do that I bring some
[41:15] numbers extra extra work but I'm
actually kind of curious Oh no you're
[41:19] good man like you know keep me keep my
due diligence up I got take care of
[41:25] it anything else
[41:31] we have a
motion first reading on that first
[41:35] reading it does include an emergency so
if you do wish to approve it as an
[41:39] emergency you can't approve it's
[41:46] not that's I was gonna ask is this I
mean does this need to happen
[41:50] tonight I can get you numbers and come
back at second reading okay and then we
[41:55] go
there than you Chris thank you very much
[41:59] let me just follow up on that mayor at
at the last city council meeting our
[42:02] city administrator uh directed me to
include an emergency clause on all on
[42:06] all ordinances because the management
did not wish to decide for itself what
[42:10] it was and was not an emergency we want
to give the council that opportunity
[42:13] each time thank
[42:18] thank item 6E first reading and possible
action to approve approve with
[42:22] modification or deny ordinance number
1378 d224
[42:27] an ordinance of the City of talaa
Oklahoma to amend the city code tala
[42:32] city code part 14 streets and Public
Works chapter 14-2 use and obstruction
[42:38] of streets and sidewalks by amending
section 14- 217 excavation and streets
[42:43] permits providing for codification
separability repealer and declaring an
[42:48] emergency compliance coordinator Ray
Hammond mayor and Council I'll I'll try
[42:53] to mddle through this best I can this is
going to be uh an ordinance that's going
[42:58] to give us some authority of the use of
the easements that we have throughout
[43:02] our community uh as of recent we have
had some experience with the different
[43:07] contractors coming in using the
easements uh you know uh putting in
[43:11] things in the ground in the air uh so
forth causes some disruption this gives
[43:16] us some oversight gives us a little bit
of whether we want to permit them to do
[43:20] it or not uh I believe this will be a a
good uh Avenue to go to try to correct
[43:27] some of the problems uh even still today
had to deal with quite a few for some uh
[43:32] uh illegal digs across the streets and
curb cuts and Street Cuts uh that uh
[43:37] that happen so uh it'll save a lot of
trouble for staff and uh for your
[43:42] residents to for us to have some for uh
warning and some oversight as to who
[43:48] gets to use these easements and who does
not I think tpwa will certainly
[43:54] appreciate it as well
[44:02] our recommendation staff recommendation
is to pass I just I have one question um
[44:09] so in the ordinance section
14-17 it talks about uh approval and it
[44:15] says you have to first obtain a permit
from the city clerk with the approval of
[44:19] the street commissioner and the
superintendent of the municipal Utility
[44:26] Board so I guess I have two part
questions one who is that is that
[44:32] talking Mike doublehead that would be
Mike doublehead kimor or their staff
[44:36] that they appoint to to handle that so
so we are talking ttwa yes sir and we're
[44:41] only talking ttwa we're not talking not
correct no sir they have the poles and
[44:48] the water lines uh that are that are the
bulk of the problem sewer lines that was
[44:53] my assumption but I don't like to assume
so I wanted to ask
[44:58] um then to go along with that if you
look up at the top the ne the the page
[45:03] before the background in the description
that I assume Taylor has written it says
[45:09] this ordinance will develop a policy
requiring businesses doing work within
[45:13] the city's RightWay to get a permit that
must be approved by the street
[45:16] commissioner and planning director
before beginning work so is his
[45:21] intention to also include the P planning
director and if so does that need to be
[45:26] part of the ordinance because we've
spelled out two people in the ordinance
[45:30] that has to be approved which are not
the same two people that Taylor has in
[45:34] the
[45:37] background certainly if that was Mr
tanah Hill's intent we would need to
[45:41] strike the superintendent of the
municipal Utility Board and substitute
[45:44] that with the planning director well I
assume since it's not okay but I assume
[45:49] since it's not underlined that
the superintendent municipal
[45:55] mici simple Utility Board is current
ordinance that's
[46:00] correct so I just don't I I guess my
thought is or is he wanting to add the
[46:06] Planning Commission or does he assume
that the
[46:09] planning the planning you that might be
practice that you have to get those but
[46:16] it's not obviously ordinate certainly
right now the planning uh director has
[46:21] no involvement official involvement in
this
[46:25] process
[46:30] in my opinion it makes the most sense
that the planning director is is is the
[46:36] person I mean they're in my thought
process are
[46:44] the to say the person that runs the show
in that area but I don't know I mean I I
[46:51] want to do I I agree in theory of what's
Happening Here but I want to make sure
[46:56] that
we're actually passing an ordinance
[47:01] that is what he's
expecting and so I don't I don't know um
[47:08] an Andor to be honest with you an
Andor and or PL
[47:15] director in in the the concept of when
they bring their ATT plans to the TAC
[47:21] meeting the planning director and the
street commissioner are the ones that
[47:24] would be most involved they would
jointly be most
[47:27] involved uh and and I think that they
would work jointly in this so I think uh
[47:34] Andor would be appropriate but I also
think that you know both of them have to
[47:38] have some in some input on this so I
mean I would it doesn't bother me to
[47:43] have both there and uh I mean it doesn't
mean it doesn't bother me to have all
[47:48] three um but right now we've got two on
one side and two on the other and I want
[47:54] to
make yeah I mean if you have if you have
[47:58] tpwa they own the polls right and uh
they're they belong to them and and and
[48:04] we can't as a body give them permission
to be used by other utilities without
[48:09] their permission so you know
[48:14] that's so I guess my suggestion maybe
would be to just allow this to be the
[48:20] first reading Mr T Mr tanah Hill will be
back by next month
[48:28] um and then at next month we can
Amendment amend that
[48:34] correct before we were to potentially
pass it on a second
[48:43] reading uh I
am I am U visiting with Mr tanah Hill
[48:48] here he is unable to join us on uh Zoom
here
[48:53] uh he says it should be tpw
uh planning director could be included
[49:00] but and I hope he's listening here
U he he wants us to be the street
[49:07] commissioner and tpwa appears to be uh
indifferent on the planning
[49:19] director I think it's imperative that
you have the street commissioner and
[49:23] tpwa just because of what I've had to
deal with in the last 10 months
[49:29] months but planning director would be
awesome to have on that as well they're
[49:33] going to she's going to be working with
them
[49:36] anyway but you're saying Taylor is
different about whether or not he needs
[49:40] to be there or not the planning director
yes he's indiffer with the planning
[49:44] director needs to have an official role
in this would that would that slow down
[49:47] the process for people that are jumping
if they had to have all three people
[49:50] there every time a decision had to be
made about this um it well the decision
[49:56] would be made and they would they would
present a plan for the entire city so it
[49:59] wouldn't slow them down because all
three of them would be in on those plans
[50:03] now uh if if they were coming in and
just doing it by peac maill then yes but
[50:08] they they don't do that they usually
come with an entire plan of of the
[50:12] entire city so uh I don't think it's
going to slow them down uh but again I
[50:17] think uh our street commissioner and our
our Public Works is going to always uh
[50:23] lean towards that Tac committee to make
sure that they have input from them and
[50:29] this permit has to go before that
committee before yes before they start
[50:35] digging before they start
hanging
[50:41] okay if Taylor Mr tanning Hill has has
said you know that the intent is to
[50:47] leave the ordinance as is only add
public right away then I'm I'm
[50:52] absolutely fine with that as well we've
got a lot going on right now so
[50:57] so Mo a motion to
approve because it's got an emergency
[51:01] clause on it correct if you were to
approve we will need approve the
[51:04] emergency clause for to take effect yes
we do that we have to do that separately
[51:08] or that's correct must be separate so
I'll make the first motion to approve
[51:13] I'll second okay I do have a question
just to clarify with it being the first
[51:18] reading just make sure that we can
there's not problema does it necessary
[51:23] qualify to have
reading under the city Charter all
[51:27] ordinances must have a second reading
unless that ordinance is declared an
[51:31] emergency so if you declare if you
approve it tonight but don't for some
[51:35] reason don't declare an emergency it is
not approved it must come back at the
[51:39] next
[51:43] meeting councilor
Allen yes councelor hirers yes councelor
[51:48] Baker yes councelor Perry yes motion
Carri motion to declare this an
[51:55] emergency
I'll second councelor Allen yes
[52:00] councelor
hirers yes councelor Baker yes councelor
[52:06] Perry yes motion
[52:12] carried item 6f discussion and possible
action to approve approve with
[52:16] modification or deny accepting the bid
amount of $84,500 from Calin and sense
[52:22] roofing for the senior citizens roof
improvements compliance coordinator Ray
[52:27] Hammond and City attorney JT
Hammond
[52:32] noted well we actually are we found out
we're distant
[52:36] cousins so
there uh yes this is uh we went out for
[52:42] bid for replacement of the roof of
senior citizen is much needed uh
[52:46] application on that building uh we got I
believe six bids back in uh six or seven
[52:55] U anyhow we had uh
the low bid uh which was
[53:01] 64,000 67 67,000 and then the second bid
was
[53:08] 84,500 and uh after review uh and I'll
I'll let Esquire take over at this point
[53:14] but uh he can do the verbiage better
than I but we we did choose a bidder
[53:19] City staff is recommending you go with
the second low bidder as we've done
[53:23] before whenever you're going with the
non- low bidder you must give a reason
[53:26] in the record for that uh this is the
statement staff would ask city council
[53:31] to adopt as the lowest bid is
significantly under staff's estimate of
[53:35] the project cost the city finds the
lowest bid to not be the BET lowest
[53:40] responsible
[53:48] bid to
[53:55] approve
councelor
[54:00] Baker were you did you make the motion
I'm sorry I did not make the motion I
[54:04] councelor Alan can I have a question to
your motion if you don't mind yes um
[54:10] responsible that kind of
terminology is very
[54:18] vague is it can
we what I'm having a problem with is is
[54:24] understanding you know
qualifiable I think is
[54:30] a when talking about a bit is it
qualifiable I mean do we understand it
[54:36] do we actually see where I'm just trying
to you know clarify the words
[54:40] responsible so as using the state's
competitive bidding uh laws U the goal
[54:47] of the competitive bidding acts are
twofold and only twofold it's to ensure
[54:51] the taxpayer one is to ensure the
Integrity of the of the bidding process
[54:55] itself so for example uh I'll pick on my
long lost cousin here uh he could not
[55:01] submit a bid for a city project because
there's a fear of nepotism we have to
[55:05] protect so we just have if he were to
bid we have a genuine concern about the
[55:09] the fairness of the process so we would
reject a bid from Mr Hammond on the
[55:14] grounds that the bidding process may be
susceptible to
[55:18] nepotism the second prong is to Ure the
taxpayer the taxpayers actually receive
[55:23] the project at the lowest possible price
price if the city staff is concerned
[55:30] that given the disparity between our
internal estimates of what this project
[55:35] should cost and the bids actually
received by the low bidder we don't feel
[55:39] that it will actually be done for that
cost that change order after change
[55:43] order will become forward and the
project will ultimately cost
[55:47] more so we are going the staff
recommends that we go with the second
[55:51] low bid as the lowest responsible
bidder
[56:00] Allen yes councelor
[56:05] hirers
yes councelor Baker yes councelor Perry
[56:10] yes motion
[56:15] carried item 6G discussion and possible
action to approve or deny granting the
[56:20] mayor the authority authority to request
from okoma Department of Transportation
[56:26] the closure of the intersection at
mimosa and Highway 51 bypass compliance
[56:32] coordinator Ray Hammond R Council this
is the intersection across from uh where
[56:38] RibCrib uh Citra 21 goes on across to
McDonald's and uh reers on the back side
[56:45] uh we've had uh over the years many many
accidents there uh there's certainly a
[56:50] Hotpot for the police department and the
fire department and
[56:53] EMS uh we have done some re research on
it the the state is uh going to
[56:59] permanently close that in the future uh
and due to our road construction that we
[57:05] have going on now in the city uh it is a
concern that a lot of people are going
[57:09] to be cutting through and trying to
dodge some of that road construction and
[57:12] use that as an Avenue increasing uh
accidents in that area spoke with uh
[57:18] Chris Wallace with ODOT he is uh
amicable and saying he would like to
[57:23] come over here if we wished if the
council uh is of mind to go ahead and
[57:28] close that temporary as a cross street
until uh it is permanently made that way
[57:36] which hopefully when we start the new
Road between mimosa and Park Hill that's
[57:41] they're going to work jointly with us at
the same time on that project so uh this
[57:46] is something that I brought up with the
911 board uh police Fire
[57:52] EMS uh and uh they've all and Sheriff's
Department and they've all agreed that
[57:58] it is the the right thing to do uh I
haven't rely talked to anybody that's
[58:03] opposed to it so it is Staff
recommendation and those others
[58:07] recommendation that we go ahead and
temporarily close the cross uh Avenue of
[58:14] uh mimosa and the bypass until it is
permanently fixed that
[58:19] way um I have one question as to the
road trying to divert traffic and so
[58:27] forth we do plan on the oncoming future
at least to my understanding of going
[58:33] from Osa to Park
Hill with a through road that sir that
[58:40] road if you're if you're headed uh North
on Mimosa or coming off of mimosa the
[58:47] head north uh north and west there you
can turn right uh you will be able to
[58:51] turn right and go through that dead end
across the backside of uh the real
[58:56] estate company there uh Banker cwell
there'll be a new road put in there
[59:01] where you can access Park Hill Road and
hit the light and then you can go left
[59:05] or right we are giving them giving them
a safer opport giving them another
[59:09] opportunity to be able to go through
there and go left and right at a
[59:12] stoplight that's controlled and not high
speed of mechanism of injury only have
[59:16] block or two away yes sir so they can
still so people going to talico Drug
[59:21] Company McDonald's they can still use
mahany there's just not going to be that
[59:25] jut off of mosa you won't be able to
turn right there yes so that's what cor
[59:30] down so there's that that awkward that
awkward kind of a why that goes that way
[59:36] that you're going to take out so that
you don't have merging traffic and
[59:39] people waiting back no no no no this
will be in the center median between of
[59:45] the bypass that goes from the the
Northwest side of mimosa okay to the
[59:51] southeast side of mimosa you won't be
able to Jet across four lanes of traffic
[59:56] come out to Mimosa and then you could
turn right but you couldn't go straight
[1:00:01] across the straight across will be
close correct right or
[1:00:08] correct correct not right correct
because you couldn't go straight across
[1:00:14] because that intersection yes but you
can go the talic
[1:00:19] lumber the light go left or
right I'm just making sure I really
[1:00:25] understand and because that's just a
nightmare that area over there
[1:00:35] yeah and I think that is there any way
that we could uh inform the public you
[1:00:40] know that this is coming uh well through
this meeting through uh our website our
[1:00:46] Facebook uh we will be able to let the
public know that it's coming ODOT would
[1:00:51] I'm sure would be glad to share it on
theirs as well uh it be much like uh a
[1:00:57] lot of other things we we will notify
the public as well as we can uh we can
[1:01:02] do we have our newspaper with us here
tonight I'm sure she will probably uh
[1:01:07] mention it as
well and I want to make a statement real
[1:01:11] quick
um there's been if I'm correct 46 or is
[1:01:16] it 47 Rex in the last six years we had
two this last week so there's probably
[1:01:21] 48
48 um I can say when that by pass was
[1:01:27] created in 1985 that intersection alone
we had a wreck uh and I was a part of
[1:01:32] that and it was just basically CA of
someone Crossing that road and I I do
[1:01:37] think this is a real a large safety
problem as well as it will hopefully
[1:01:43] deviate traffic to other avenues that's
causing some of the problems uh in the
[1:01:50] neighborhoods as well uh that uh are
part of the
[1:01:57] that intersection so I
would make the motion
[1:02:04] to it was your to approve motion to
approve
[1:02:11] closure I believe it's a request for the
mayor to be able to make that contact
[1:02:16] with the OD
do I've got to ask the question have
[1:02:21] have we communicated with Taco drug
company or McDonald's or any of the of
[1:02:28] those because the only issue that I have
and I agree I agree that it's that's a
[1:02:31] really dangerous area but the only issue
that I have is is you know
[1:02:37] now people that are using going to
McDonald's and and that area they're
[1:02:42] it's G to be kind of difficult to get
there if you're coming from you know and
[1:02:46] I know you can't have everything but I
just wanted to know like is this going
[1:02:50] to be just like
a a huge issue for them have they been
[1:02:55] contacted they been
consulted at all those those those you
[1:02:59] know those businesses that are right
there with you know I I have not
[1:03:03] personally spoke with Tel drug in that
area uh I could just
[1:03:09] say just the public outc for this thing
has been for years okay Mr hmon you and
[1:03:16] I spoke or before the meeting it's my
understanding that ODOT has already
[1:03:19] approved the permanent closure
absolutely this is going to happen by
[1:03:24] temporarily closing it gives the public
frankly more time to get to get used to
[1:03:29] the new
reality and just to be clear that is OD
[1:03:34] Do's perview that's their area that's
they have authority there so this is
[1:03:39] going to be closed and they've already
deemed that to happen we're just uh uh
[1:03:44] moving it forward a little quicker
because we continue to have damage
[1:03:48] injury and accident in that area okay
perfect I just I have
[1:03:54] to I I agree with this in
theory but I
[1:04:00] really have been trying to wrap my head
around this in practice because I think
[1:04:05] that that
intersection at well the Walmart
[1:04:10] intersection I mean that's what
everybody calls it is if not the most
[1:04:14] dangerous but it's the most frustrating
intersection in talaa for a plethora of
[1:04:20] reasons but it even becomes more
frustrating if now now people are
[1:04:26] waiting in line to do nothing but uturn
because what they've done is they've
[1:04:30] come out the right and they needed
U-turn to go
[1:04:36] left and I are are we just putting I
mean I so again in theory I think I
[1:04:42] totally agree with what's happening but
in practice are we putting the cart
[1:04:47] before the horse a little bit by not
having the other outlets the other
[1:04:50] outlet that they can get to the light at
tallet ball Lumber and then and connect
[1:04:57] up I mean do we
need shouldn't we be building that road
[1:05:01] I mean if we're building that road we
bought the land now it's ready to build
[1:05:05] the load the road to connect from Park
Hill
[1:05:09] [Music]
to Mimosa rainy not Mimosa it's rain
[1:05:14] manahy or Mimosa actually just on that
side and I think you're also creating
[1:05:20] before we close the the outlet I mean
because then all you're going to do
[1:05:24] because you're still going to have
people that are going they're now
[1:05:27] turning right they're getting to the
intersection they're u-turning to come
[1:05:30] back in to go to research or go
to yeah and I think you're going to have
[1:05:35] a lot of people now funneling through
the research parking lot yeah and I and
[1:05:39] I think I think we really need
a I think we need a really good solution
[1:05:46] to get to I don't know if there is one
but we really need to to think about I
[1:05:51] mean I I agree that that's really
dangerous but to create more problems s
[1:05:56] by stopping one problem I think saving a
life is more I agree I just I just
[1:06:02] Council if if I can try this um that
don't I don't think this should be a
[1:06:07] straw man issue by saying if we vote
against it we're like voting to have
[1:06:12] people pass away on the intersection
from car wreckage but I think that it's
[1:06:17] got to be in theory you've got to have a
theory you've got to have a a plan in
[1:06:24] place I
councilman if I can um because these are
[1:06:29] roads under the jurisdiction of ODOT um
no matter what we do tonight uh it's
[1:06:35] purely advisory to ODOT ODOT if we said
no don't do this ODOT could could put a
[1:06:41] temporary close sign in the morning uh
given that ODOT has already indicated
[1:06:46] this is going to happen uh it's
certainly best for us to start putting
[1:06:50] together a plan of what that looks like
on the other side I mean this is going
[1:06:53] to happen do you do we know when OD
going to close it down yes they're going
[1:06:57] to work in conjunction with us uh
whenever we start the road uh and I
[1:07:02] don't have a date but whenever we start
the road to go over to Park Hill they're
[1:07:06] going to do it all together so it's
going to cause uh you know it's
[1:07:09] construction so it's going to cause some
confusion uh no matter what so there's
[1:07:14] if we do it now it's just going to get
people I think prepared more for what
[1:07:18] they're fixing to have and and if they
don't need to be in that area they'll
[1:07:21] stay away from it till it's complete and
if they do then uh they they'll know how
[1:07:26] to
navigate that's just my my
[1:07:30] thoughts I I don't I don't have a I
don't have a wish one way or the other
[1:07:35] but I do know that it is a very very
crazy hot spot for EMS police and fire
[1:07:41] they have to work a lot of accidents
[1:07:48] there and I think you have somebody at
the
[1:07:52] podium thank you why can't they put in
light just like down at for Street
[1:07:57] Lumber it does not meet the requirements
because it's too close together to the
[1:08:02] next light and that's odot's official
statement and we've asked that we cried
[1:08:06] for like years and years ago uh Street
Department did council did people did
[1:08:11] ODOT said they're too close together
between Mogi and uh Park Hill if we put
[1:08:16] another one there we they violate their
own rules so they said No Light have
[1:08:21] more accident to's parking lot well and
and and yes and
[1:08:26] that on
reers I'm just asking I don't know I'm
[1:08:30] not an engineer uh but I do know that
reers in theory has always been said
[1:08:35] that's actually a street that goes
through there anyway because we do keep
[1:08:38] it striped and we do the parking lot
there reers is actually a street on the
[1:08:43] outside of so go ahead uh so just coming
from the guy that works the street like
[1:08:48] every day um brain is like that's the
road that goes straight across from
[1:08:52] Walmart to Burger King and it goes all
the way behind research so it is legal
[1:08:57] to drive through a parking lot to get to
another location unless you're going to
[1:09:02] set store so this would also help them
like maneuver like behind I use it and
[1:09:09] it's not closing down the access to Mosa
you can actually turn right and it's not
[1:09:13] illegal to make a u-turn at tall Lumber
so right now uh yes it would be an
[1:09:21] inconvenience but I mean like we're
going to put you know safety first or we
[1:09:26] going to put convenience first which I
know the research parking lot you know
[1:09:29] that aspect you know we may have to put
a patrol car there you know might have
[1:09:33] to enforce that cut through but just
throwing that out there there are roads
[1:09:38] back there that are supposed to be
traveled that aren't because even if you
[1:09:41] go to McDonald's from the resers parking
lot you're going against the grain and
[1:09:46] you can't turn to go through the
drive-thru again and even if you go
[1:09:49] straight through the parking lot the
parking spots are slided to the east so
[1:09:54] if you're coming in in you're still not
able to parkk does that make sense so
[1:09:59] it's a lot of grain they're going
against but there are roads there so and
[1:10:02] I and I agree I just think like what
Stephen was saying I just think we need
[1:10:05] to really just sit down and get a plan
and um into place for this area because
[1:10:11] I think we've all since we've been in
tala for so long um that whole South End
[1:10:17] you know we all have experienced
that you know maybe we could do things
[1:10:22] have grown a little bit differently but
we just are where we're at and you know
[1:10:25] the the traffic there is just horrendous
so I think a plan really and I'm sure
[1:10:30] that you guys probably have a lot of
thoughts on that but just to just to
[1:10:34] inform everybody and to make sure we're
all on the same page I know that we're
[1:10:37] rambling on make one final comment and I
know we have a speaker but I I'll I'll
[1:10:41] say this um the gentleman that probably
would be a good person to contact is a
[1:10:45] gentleman by the name of Bob Coburn c o
b RN uh Mr Cobrin is the former mayor of
[1:10:50] the city of Mogi he has since been
appointed this area of Oklahoma as
[1:10:54] representative to the ODOT
Transportation Commission uh he would be
[1:10:59] very interested in hearing what tal has
to say about this so he can Advocate our
[1:11:02] community's views to the to the agency
what was that name one time Bob cobr C O
[1:11:08] B
RN yes um I actually had a son who had a
[1:11:13] record that intersection and told the
vehicle and it is dangerous part of the
[1:11:18] problem though is the speed limit from
Park Hill down to the intersection the
[1:11:23] Walmart intersection by Chili's and
everything
[1:11:25] I think that when they're closing that
they need to study the speed limit
[1:11:30] between Park Hill Road and U Mogi Avenue
because people come flying through there
[1:11:37] which is what happened to my son um this
woman was quite a ways away but she was
[1:11:42] going 65 miles an hour eating
burrito and um so I really do think if
[1:11:49] you know if they're going to be doing
this while they're at it they need to
[1:11:53] consider slowing people down maybe even
putting up flashing lights so that they
[1:11:56] see you know the speed limit has changed
and you know and they need to slow down
[1:12:01] because people do come blind through
there and I don't think closing that
[1:12:05] cross intersection is going to stop that
they're going to continue to just barrel
[1:12:09] down through there I mean while they're
doing the construction on the bridge
[1:12:12] right now yes people are slower but when
that opens back up it's a it's a freeway
[1:12:17] and they just come flying down through
there so I would suggest or ask if that
[1:12:22] can be you know brought up in the plans
we're closing that thank you thank you I
[1:12:28] can speak to what uh ODOT has attested
that they uh they have done a study on
[1:12:34] the speed limit through there they agree
with what the lady said uh people do
[1:12:37] come around there too fast uh they but
it's it's not unlike a lot of other
[1:12:42] places in our town the difference is is
that particular part has an intersection
[1:12:47] where people Collide if they turn left
and they take off like crazy going east
[1:12:52] or west uh you don't have the Collision
that you have like you do because
[1:12:57] there's a stoplight there that assists
it at Mimosa there's no stoplight
[1:13:03] so if you turn if you're coming in South
you're coming in from the south north
[1:13:07] you turn left and you head out towards
Phoenix Park or the airport you're still
[1:13:12] going fast but there's a stoplight to
regulate you there and there's not one
[1:13:16] at mimosa and there's not going to be
[1:13:21] one so I think
I in theory I like what I think the
[1:13:28] spirit of this is and so I would be
for giving the mayor the authority to
[1:13:35] start the conversation with ODOT about
you know what can we do but I I do think
[1:13:43] that there in my head it's not just as
easy as let's close down this
[1:13:49] intersection and then say that we've
done our good deed and move forward
[1:13:53] because I think then all we're going to
do is we've now Kick the Can down
[1:13:57] to other intersections to stop lights
one that you can access easily one that
[1:14:03] you can't to get anywhere else and
then and I you're just gonna have people
[1:14:09] turning you I mean it's going to be
U-turn Central from 4:30 to 6
[1:14:15] o'clock on in an already busy
intersection that half the time people
[1:14:21] you can't turn left if you're coming
from the
[1:14:28] West you can't
turn I think it's West if you're coming
[1:14:33] from like a car wash which
[1:14:40] one whatever I I also would people are
in the intersection we all know
[1:14:45] everybody in this room is notd in their
heads they know what I'm talking about
[1:14:48] right and
I I also understand I I get it if
[1:14:53] they're going to close it down anyway
but to me
[1:14:56] it's going to be down the road I'm not
comfortable making a decision without
[1:15:00] communicating with the businesses that
could be
[1:15:03] impacted without I don't I don't want
them to just feel like where did this
[1:15:07] come from resar well you know all of
these businesses that depend on traffic
[1:15:13] and I don't want to create a I I just I
don't want to jump I I would much rather
[1:15:18] do this going in with everybody knowing
what's happening and getting the
[1:15:21] opportunity to give their
input um that's that's what I feel I
[1:15:26] mean I I just would I I know that we're
talking about Public Safety but at the
[1:15:30] same time if there something that we can
make a decision on and get everybody's
[1:15:35] opinion and then make make a more
educated like like I don't want to I
[1:15:41] don't want to I don't want to say
something that everybody else is gonna
[1:15:45] come and say I had no idea this was on
the meeting I said tonight to to JT I
[1:15:51] said uh you know we've never had anybody
say no they don't want this everybody
[1:15:54] wants until we do it and then somebody's
going to say no they didn't want it uh
[1:15:59] that's just the way things are I have
talked to a few of the people around
[1:16:02] there that are in business and they all
say why isn't the city doing something
[1:16:07] to close this intersection I've never
heard anyone say oh no they need to
[1:16:12] leave it open everybody's like they need
to do something these are the businesses
[1:16:15] that are right close by I won't name
them out publicly but that that's that's
[1:16:20] certainly what has been said to me well
and I would think in my mind my answer
[1:16:24] to that would be we are doing something
which is why we bought the land behind
[1:16:29] Coldwell to form the road between Park
Hill to rain Mia Mahan and Mimosa to
[1:16:36] give an outlet that way there's an
outlet a safer place for people to come
[1:16:41] from that area to Park Hill Road to now
you're at a light that you can go right
[1:16:46] or left from so in my head this whole
time I've been thinking that is the
[1:16:52] Avenue that we're trying to take to make
this a safer
[1:16:56] intersection and now we've just jumped
in in my opinion that maybe we couldn't
[1:17:02] we're on step you know C when we just
skip step B but that's just me I mean
[1:17:10] I'm just I did forget one one particular
uh person that that uh was in on the
[1:17:16] conversation and he did say that yes it
was a very good idea to go ahead and
[1:17:19] shut it down that was our street
commissioner he was very much in
[1:17:22] agreeance with that it need to be done
so not that that's an influence it's
[1:17:26] just that I did talk to all the players
as far as emergency personnel and the uh
[1:17:31] the street Personnel to find out where
they stood and that's that's pretty much
[1:17:36] all I have to say about that Chief Baker
do you have anything that you would want
[1:17:40] to add from a professional
observation not to put you on the spot
[1:17:45] but you showed
up not to put you on the spot but come
[1:17:49] to the microphone and tell us what you
think zoom in on the camera I mean I
[1:17:54] agree with Ray I mean it's it's a bad
intersection it's been a bad
[1:17:57] intersection for a long time it's I
think when they develop the bypass you
[1:18:01] know when you develop bypass and started
having these roads you just tee into it
[1:18:06] um is a bad is a bad recipe for disaster
I mean my opinion which is today is a
[1:18:12] bad day to say this because we had a bad
wreck on that but to me a roundabout
[1:18:17] would be a good solution for there in
rainy um I've traveled on different
[1:18:22] places that have them all over and I
mean they seem to flow a lot easier slow
[1:18:25] people down and you still have your outs
but I would say it's a very bad
[1:18:36] intersection
[1:18:41] professional and it is inevitable
inev I think the more frustrating part
[1:18:47] is we've been debating an issue for 20
minutes that we really have no control
[1:18:51] over because we're just saying can the
mayor send a letter to OD do saying
[1:18:55] please maybe if you deem it necessary oh
grade funds
[1:19:03] so but I think in my mind in spirit I I
think that this is worth having the
[1:19:10] conversation and so I will make a motion
to
[1:19:15] approve that motion well then I'll
second it thank you
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honorable mayor members of the council
[1:38:57] the council did meet an executive
session as authorized by state law only
[1:39:00] those items listed on the agenda were
discussed no votes were taken no polls
[1:39:04] cast however at this time I do believe a
proper motion would be to approve the
[1:39:08] 2024 2025 contract with the fop Lodge
2011 second hang on kids I approve 22
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[1:39:29] okay motion we have first a second
councel councelor hirers yes councelor
[1:39:35] Allen yes councelor Baker yes councelor
Perry yes motion carried on Item B no
[1:39:41] action is required at this time on item
C I believe appropriate motion would be
[1:39:46] to authorize the City attorney to engage
the law firm of crow dunlevy to
[1:39:51] represent the city in case number cj2
[1:39:58] 24-6 councelor Allan yes councelor HS
yes councelor Baker yes councelor Perry
[1:40:05] yes motion
carried we are adjourned at 7