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Good evening. I would like to call

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tonight's meeting of the Tacoma Park

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City Council to order. Would the clerk

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please call the role?

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>> Mayor Cersei

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>> here.

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>> Council member Landman

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>> here. Council member Dybala

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>> present.

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>> Council member Schlaggel

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>> here.

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>> Council member Gilbert

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>> here.

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>> Council member Hanzac

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>> present.

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>> Council member Wesler

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>> here.

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>> Good evening everyone. Apologies for the

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delayed start. The council met uh

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earlier this evening at an in an

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administrative function session um at

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6:30 to discuss uh the city manager's

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review.

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Um and so we're running just a few

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minutes behind this evening, but thank

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you all for joining us. Um

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great. Okay. Uh so in terms of the

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agenda, just make sure

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the agenda this evening includes two

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voting items. The first is the first

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reading ordinance approving the FY27

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budget amendment number one. Then we

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will vote to convene as the storm water

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management board and then uh vote on the

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first reading ordinance approving the

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FY27

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storm water management budget amendment

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number one. We will then have uh four

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work sessions this evening. The first is

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options to address unlawful restricted

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covenants. The second is implementation

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of a community connectors program. Uh

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third is a resolution committing to

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respectful, constructive and d and

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dignified discourse.

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Um and then the the fourth is

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recommended appointments to city boards

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and committees.

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on um Wednesday, July the 29th, the

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council will meet again at um

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6:30 for uh an administrative function

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session regarding the uh city manager's

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review. And on Wednesday, July the 29th,

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the council will meet at its regular

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time at 7:30. We will begin with a

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number of voting items. Uh the second

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reading ordinance approving FY27 budget

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amendment number one. Second reading

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ordinance approving FY27 storm water

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management budget amendment number one.

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Resolution regarding approach to removal

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of unlawful restricted covenants.

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Resolution regarding implementation of a

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community connectors program. Resolution

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regarding city council's approach to

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examining the risk and benefits of

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changing to four-year terms. resolution

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committing to respectful, constructive,

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and dignified discourse during public

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meetings. We have our consent agenda. Uh

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resolution providing for appointments to

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the grants review committee. Resolution

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provided for appointments to the

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recreation committee. Resolution setting

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forth the dates of the city council

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summer recess. Um and then we will have

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two work sessions that evening. The

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first is the public safety task force

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annual report and the second is a

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resolution ensuring trans and non-binary

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protections. Um we have a meeting that

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is tentatively slated for August the

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5th. Um in the event that we're not able

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to complete votes otherwise we will be

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on recess from August the 5th until

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to public comments this evening. Do we

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have any public comments on voting

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items? And again, um, this evening, our

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voting items is a first reading

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ordinance approving FY27 budget

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amendment number one. First reading

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ordinance approving FY27 storm water

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budget amendment number one. Any public

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comments on those items?

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to general public comments this evening.

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Do we have any general public comments?

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three minutes. Um, we are asking for

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everyone to be civil. Um, no use of

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profanity, name calling, all that good

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stuff. But everybody here knows how to

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act. And uh

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just as a FYI, the council does not

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respond to comments provided. So any

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public come on down.

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Hello. Hey. Um thank you. My name is

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Robert Beats. I'm from W 2. Um I saw the

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uh general item coming up about racial

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covenants and I just had a few um

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thoughts to share about that. Um, first

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off, I really appreciate that the

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council is um taking on this effort and

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addressing this issue. I think this is a really important one to um address and

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rectify historical injustices. Um, I

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believe that's an issue that the whole

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public owns and I'm glad to see the city

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as um an agent of the public uh to be

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leading that effort. Um, I believe

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removing racial covenant or racial

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language from covenants is uh very

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critical and I think it very much helps

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um us work with those historical

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injustices

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um and to move forward as a community as

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a whole. Um, I did have some concerns

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about the size of expenditures um that I

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see and how the use of funds uh or where

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it is going. Um, having funds to address

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racial inequity uh going to um

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publications um that have uh for

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outreach uh is a little bit of a concern

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to me, especially seeing uh the

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Washington Post in there. Um, I have

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concerns about seeing that the use of

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funds could be going largely to lawyers

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and financial agents who may or may not

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be uh acting uh with uh racial equity in

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mind and the rest of their practices.

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Um, seeing numbers at 250 and $450 an

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hour um seem to be a bit of an issue and

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just something to be very cognizant of

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if that is a great use of the funds. Um,

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or if there's just options to have that

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happen in a little bit less expensive

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way. Um, I've got some examples of

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seeing that in other communities that

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I'll I'll talk about at the end. Um, and

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seeing the purpose in the slides. I I I

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think the racial covenants is a is a

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critical piece of this, but seen um in

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the presentation slides that said uh the

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city would like to address or the

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purpose was to address the lasting

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impacts of historic racial inequities

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and to advance equity. Um, I really

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think there's a lot of behavior uh

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aspects. I think there's a lot of

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culture in real estate finance and um

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and injustices that persist now

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especially with a fair housing act that

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is kind of based on a colorblind

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approach but not really an equity

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approach. Um and I think there's a lot

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of opportunity to um address this issue

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with outreach to real estate

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professionals. uh people are selling

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their homes and how they address uh

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selling their homes to uh an open

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market. Um and what different uh home

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offers can look like um and really

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trying to reduce uh or have an equity

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lens when you're looking at offers from

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other people. You can get a lot of

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advice from from lawyers about taking

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cash offers uh and and not taking offers

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that have um financing on it. Those are

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kinds of things that uh communally and

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culturally you can address that help um

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really create more equity in real

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estate. Um and I just I I love that this

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is a large public dialogue uh you know

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in addition to the racial covenants um

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because um in Madison, Wisconsin, where

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I'm from, which is a very progressive

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community, but has um a lot of uh

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injustice in um in in real estate. Um

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they've started a few different programs

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that uh has raved about raised about um

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$1.4 million of private money to go

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towards uh down payment grants and um

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helping people buy homes.

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very much. Do we have any

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other general public comments this

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evening?

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Arthur David Olsson, Ward 4. And I am

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still neither an accountant nor a

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lawyer.

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One lesson from the latest round of

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budget work is that it's possible to

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increase general fund revenue without

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relying on the property tax as witnessed

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the utility tax increase.

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The good news is that more such

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increases are possible.

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The city sets up funds such as the ARPA

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fund and stormwater fund when there are

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restrictions on how money can be spent.

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There's a restriction on stop sign

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camera revenue. It must be used quote

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solely for public safety purposes,

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including pedestrian or highway safety

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programs. End quote. But as the police

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chief noted in advocating for a red

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light camera program, there's no such

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restriction on red light camera revenue.

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Page 58 of the city manager's proposed

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fiscal year 2027 budget provides

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information on the red light and stop

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sign camera fund. That fund receives

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revenue from both camera programs.

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Alas, mixing restricted and unrestricted

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revenue is suboptimal bookkeeping.

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The city might set up two separate

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camera funds,

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but it's simpler to treat red light

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camera revenue as general fund revenue,

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eliminating the need for a separate red

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light camera fund.

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To be clear, this will not increase

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total revenue. It will though make for

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better bookkeeping and will help avoid

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confusion about the possible use of red

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light camera revenue.

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I hope the council will direct a change

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in how camera revenue is accounted for.

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Another camera matter. Maryland law

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allows for stop sign cameras, quote, on

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highways located in a school zone

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maintained by a local jurisdiction or on

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state highways located in a school zone.

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There's no mention of cameras being

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allowed within half a mile of a school.

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and city law has very narrow definitions

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of the city's school zones.

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The council may want to expand the

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definition of school zones in the city.

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In any case, I hope the council will

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ensure that the city's stop sign camera

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program is operated in accordance with

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Maryland requirements. Thank you.

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>> Thank you very much. Do we have any

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other general public comments this

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evening?

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Seeing none, do we have any virtual

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public comments this evening?

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» We were hoping to have um Mary Jane

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Machoui, but I don't see that she's on

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the line. She's not on. [music] Okay.

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All right. We're going to move to

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council comments. Do we have any council

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comments this evening?

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Council member Gilbert.

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>> Thanks, Mayor. I amum I wanted to share

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a couple of things that I wanted to

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discuss last week. But um right as

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public comments were ending um before

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we had a chance for council comments, I

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had a an emergency [clears throat] and I

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had to step out. So um I think Mr.

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Huber, Paul Huner was was talking at the

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time. So Mr. hear me. If you're

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listening, I apologize that I had to uh

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leave the room as you were speaking. I I

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did hear that he was advocating for

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racial equity as it pertained to the um

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the resolution for um the rent

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stabilization

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um work. And um I I appreciate both I

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appreciate both him and Council Member

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Schlaggel for um for that advocating for

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um racial equity and and for wanting it

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to be in a resolution. By the time I

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came back, all my all my colleagues had

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spoken already. So I apologize to you

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all for not hearing your comments, but I

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did hear the mayor um loud and clear.

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And I and I and I must say I agree that

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um

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looking at things from a racial equity

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perspective

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is probably most suited in this case for

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council [music] and staff as uh and I

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believe that staff is well equipped. Um

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and I know that this council is well

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equipped. Um, so and and I've seen staff

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in action and how they respond to

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[music] things and and how they take

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into consideration racial equity. So I

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feel confident that

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once RSG is done with with their process

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that um we can really take a look at

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things through that lens. Um,

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something else I wanted to share that

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um, I had the opportunity to attend an

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80 year old birthday party for a former

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police officer. His name is Carl Coats.

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And Carl came to the city in the mid 90s

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and um, from Baltimore City as a retiree

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and and really poured his heart and soul

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into the community. So, I want to say

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just a few words and thanks to him. Um,

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for anyone that may have known him, he's

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doing well and 80 looks really good on

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him. So, um, he did a magnificent job

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and had really good balance in his

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policing and he ushered in an a

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generation of of police officers,

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especially black police officers that um

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hadn't quite found their voice in in in

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the police um department and in police

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world in the profession, myself being

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one. And he was apologetically himself.

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and he really um had good balance in in

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between community policing and

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enforcement

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and um he changed the way we did things.

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He really changed the culture within the

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police department, kept us together and there are members of our community

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who were um involved in criminal

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activity back then that [music] are

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doing phenomenal work in our community

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and around our community who credit him

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with

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um changing their minds and in their

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choice of uh of professions. So um

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again, happy belated birthday to to

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Carl. And on that note, talking about

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former colleagues, I I got a chance to

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watch the the walk out for uh Cindy

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Williams, Lieutenant Cindy Williams. Her

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last day was today. Uh very emotional

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day. Um, I worked some years with her

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[cough] and [clears throat] um, wishing

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her a happy retirement and whatever is

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next. And to the officers, I didn't get

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a chance to say hello to to the two that

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were promoted earlier, but um, one is

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Victor Guskov who I served with who was

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promoted today uh, would had the

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ceremony today, but he was recently

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proponented to the rank of lieutenant.

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So, I'm really happy for him. And really

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quickly, if I can, mayor, share that. I

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know I said I spoke a few weeks ago

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about um my communications with

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Secretary Jake Dave from the Maryland

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Department of Housing and Community

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Development um um regarding um the

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Edinburg, which is slated to be

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redeveloped by MHP. And I had some

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questions for him in hopes that we could

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work on some things to um protect those

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tenants [music] who may not qualify um

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once they're relocated. And I finally

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got I did get a response from him and I

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wanted to let everybody know since I

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said something publicly that I had

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reached out to him and hadn't received a

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response. He did respond and I was happy

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that he did. He had been given a lot of

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thought and he said he will be paying

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close attention. So um really happy that

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uh Secretary Day Secretary Day [music]

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reached out. And that's it for me.

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Thanks.

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>> Thank you very much. Uh Council Member

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Gilbert, Council Member Wesling.

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>> Thank you. Um I'll just keep it brief.

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Uh, I know last week,

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excuse [clears throat] me, uh, last week

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I said how, uh, for next week's meeting,

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um, we're going to have a work session

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to talk about how to better support and

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protect our trans and non-binary

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residents of all ages. Um, I wanted to

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say thank you. I did hear from a few

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folks in town um, that were excited that

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we would be talking about that. Um, so I

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just wanted to say again, um, if there's

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any residents that have, uh, feedback or

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questions or want to be on the loop,

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particularly residents who are trans,

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uh, and or have a trans person in their

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family, um, please reach out. Thanks.

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» Thank you very much, Council Member

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Weslike. Do we have any other council

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comments this evening?

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Okay. Um, so, uh, I want to, um, thank

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all of those that came out and provided

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feedback. Um, I I definitely want to,

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um, thank our W 2 resident that came out

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and provided feedback. Um, particularly

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as it relates to publication. It has

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been a thorn in my side as well. Um, we

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have written letters in support of

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legislation to try to allow for

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municipalities to not be held to the

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state well the state requirement that we

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post these kinds of things um in u

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widely disseminated um news sources. We

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have also most recently um sent forward

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a legislative action request to the

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Maryland Municipal League. Um, and I

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have informed their legislative

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advocates that these are things we're

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planning to fight for regardless um,

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asking for a bill um, to again come back

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in Anapapolis that would alleviate or

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eliminate the need for municipalities to

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have to post um, all of these types of

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notices um, in um, widely circulated

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printed papers. Um so that was something

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that was um circulating in Annapolis um

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ear this year this session. It did not

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pass. Um but we are continuing the fight

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because even if it doesn't necessarily

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help us with moving this particular um

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restricted covenants work forward, we

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have to post things quite often um and

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so it could eliminate some some

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resources um down the line. And so thank

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you very much for that. And I also

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appreciate the feedback regarding um how

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and the approach that we take in terms

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of addressing the restricted covenants.

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Um and thank you Arthur um for your

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feedback. It's always good to to to hear

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your um your thoughts on ways in which

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we can improve the budget. Um so

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definitely look forward to um following

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up on that item.

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Um I will be in Madison, Wisconsin

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tomorrow. [laughter]

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Um so I am uh part of the mayor's

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innovation project um and they have

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their summer conference that is

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happening um this uh started today but

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it'll be going until Saturday. Um I will

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be facilitating a a panel discussion on

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building decarbonization pathways for

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diverse regulatory environments. And so

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be a great opportunity for for us to

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highlight some of the work that we're

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doing in Tacoma Park, particularly as a

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small a small city, relatively speaking

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um and the work that we're doing to

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encourage um electrification and energy

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efficiency within our multif family

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housing.

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And we'll also have a wonderful time

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with the ma mayor of Madison learning

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about all of the wonderful things that

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they're doing. And there will be lots of

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discussions regarding housing. So, um

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definitely looking forward to that. Um

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and I think those are the major things.

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Uh with that, I'm going to turn things

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over. Oh, I I apologize

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um to um uh uh the police staff that

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were recognized today um in terms of

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their pro um promotion and um Lieutenant

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Williams for missing a walk out. I I was

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working in Rockville today. Um and I

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just missed them. Um but I do just want

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to talk about how important it is to

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make sure that we're celebrating our

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officers that are doing the right thing.

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And um Lieutenant Williams has been um

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as Council Member Gilbert noted, a

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mainstay in um in our police department,

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not only for the wonderful work that she

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does serving um in her in her role, but

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also the different things that she's

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done within the community. So, um, job

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well done, Lieutenant Williams, and she

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would definitely be missed. And so, with

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that, I will turn things over to city

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manager Desparo.

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>> Thank you, Madame Mayor, the council,

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and to all our visitors and residents

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uh who were uh with us this evening.

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First, from the Housing and Community

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Development Department.

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From July 27th through October, the back

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row spaces in the junction parking lot

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will be used by construction workers

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conducting pipeline maintenance along

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Carol Avenue. The construction workers

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will be using the spaces to stage

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materials and equipment. We ask that

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residents please avoid parking in those

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spaces during this during this time.

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Again, that's July 27th through October.

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So, it's a sizable project.

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From the police department, the back to

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uh back to school backpack donation

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drive kicked off yesterday, July 21st,

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and will run through August 14th.

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There's a donation bin in our police

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department lobby here at 7500 Maple

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Avenue.

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00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,599
Items needed include binders, scissors,

551
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:46,480
calculators, tissues, lunch boxes, and

552
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,720
the traditional items of pencils,

553
00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:51,280
crayons, and paper. A full list of

554
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,359
requested items can be found on the city

555
00:42:53,359 --> 00:42:55,440
website. Thank you for making a

556
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,119
difference in the lives of local

557
00:42:57,119 --> 00:42:59,040
children.

558
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,680
Save the date. National Night Out is

559
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,480
scheduled for Tuesday, August 4th. There

560
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,800
will be games, bounce houses, face

561
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,880
painting, and giveaways. So, plan to

562
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,119
stop by and have some fun. This will be

563
00:43:11,119 --> 00:43:13,920
from 6:00 to 9:00 p.m. in front of the

564
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,640
Piney Branch Elementary School at 7510

565
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,359
Maple Avenue.

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00:43:19,359 --> 00:43:22,079
From the public works department,

567
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:24,720
a reminder that Washington Gas will will

568
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:27,599
be replacing the gas main on Carol

569
00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:29,119
Avenue between Eastern Avenue and

570
00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:30,960
Columbia Avenue beginning next Monday,

571
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,520
July 27th. Thus, the need for the

572
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,160
parking spaces uh in the junction lot.

573
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,400
The work is expected to take two months.

574
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,760
The work hours will be from 9:00 a.m. to

575
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,800
3 p.m. Monday through Friday. The

576
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,520
operation will close a single lane and

577
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,359
flaggers will direct traffic through the

578
00:43:49,359 --> 00:43:52,000
construction area.

579
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,200
The Maryland Department of

580
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,280
Transportation has notified the city

581
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,760
that it plans to resurface Piney Branch

582
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,720
Road between Eastern Avenue and Siggo

583
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:02,319
Avenue.

584
00:44:02,319 --> 00:44:05,040
The work is expected to start August 5th

585
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,920
and last about 3 weeks.

586
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,760
Work hours are expected to be 8:00 a.m.

587
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,560
to 5:00 p.m. The operation will close a

588
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,440
single lane at at a time and flaggers

589
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:16,720
will direct traffic through the

590
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:19,839
construction area.

591
00:44:19,839 --> 00:44:22,720
From the recreation department, seniors,

592
00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:24,160
join us for a fun-filled day at the

593
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,240
McGomery County Agricultural Fair during

594
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:29,040
the special senior day celebration on

595
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:33,520
Tuesday, August 18th. The cost is $6.

596
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,599
Enjoy live entertainment, music,

597
00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:38,640
vendors, exhibits, and festive fair fund

598
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,400
with friends. Spaces are limited. For

599
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,880
more registration information regarding

600
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,599
senior trips, please visit us in [music]

601
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:50,560
person or online for more registration

602
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,000
information at

603
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:59,670
tacomaaparkmd.gov/recreation.

604
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,760
Please be advised that the Lee Jordan

605
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,680
Field will be closed for renovations

606
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,599
from July 20th through August 21st and

607
00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:09,599
Ed Wilhelm Field will be closed for

608
00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:12,800
renovations from July 27th through

609
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,359
August 21st.

610
00:45:15,359 --> 00:45:17,200
During this period, the fields will be

611
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,920
inaccessible to the public to ensure the

612
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,680
safety of all visitors and to allow for

613
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,319
necessary improvements. We appreciate

614
00:45:24,319 --> 00:45:26,400
your understanding and cooperation as we

615
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,119
work to enhance these community spaces.

616
00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:30,960
Regular use of the fields will resume on

617
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,040
August 24th,

618
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,200
weather permitting. If you have any

619
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:36,400
questions or would like additional

620
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,560
information, please feel free to contact

621
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:45,030
John Webster at 240-6872202.

622
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,119
And from the city manager's office, our

623
00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:48,880
staff shout out this week is from our

624
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,680
recreation department. Congratulations

625
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,839
to Rayquan White on being named the

626
00:45:55,839 --> 00:45:57,839
Maryland Recreation and Parks

627
00:45:57,839 --> 00:46:00,800
Association Member of the Quarter.

628
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,040
Recognized at yesterday's summer general

629
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,440
membership meeting, this quarterly award

630
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,400
celebrates a member whose involvement

631
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,240
and accomplishments have helped move the

632
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:13,680
association forward. And Rey's uh

633
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,760
contributions this quarter made him a

634
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,680
clear choice.

635
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,319
Ry was instrumental in getting the MRPA

636
00:46:20,319 --> 00:46:22,400
Conference annual golf tournament off

637
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,319
the ground. From the planning meetings

638
00:46:24,319 --> 00:46:26,079
leading up to the event to being

639
00:46:26,079 --> 00:46:28,880
hands-on the day of, helping with

640
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,520
registration, general coordination,

641
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,079
lunch, pictures, and everything else in

642
00:46:34,079 --> 00:46:36,480
between. His dedication and willingness

643
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,040
to jump in wherever needed helped make

644
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,160
the tournament a real success. After the

645
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:43,839
golf tournament, he continued helping

646
00:46:43,839 --> 00:46:45,920
wherever needed during the state

647
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,960
conference. this past April. So, thank

648
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,960
you, Ray, for representing Tacoma Park

649
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,440
so well and being a huge asset to the

650
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,800
state parks and recreation association.

651
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,680
This concludes my report. Thank you.

652
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,839
>> Thank you very much. Okay, with that,

653
00:47:01,839 --> 00:47:03,280
we're going to move to our first

654
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,520
presentation this evening. It is the

655
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:43,349
Youth Council annual report.

656
00:47:43,359 --> 00:47:44,880
Good evening. Thank you, mayor and

657
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,280
council for having me here this evening.

658
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,520
Uh I have the pleasure of letting you

659
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,839
know how busy your youth council has

660
00:47:51,839 --> 00:47:53,920
been this past year and have how many

661
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,119
projects they have taken on and um just

662
00:47:57,119 --> 00:48:00,240
how amazing our our local students are.

663
00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:02,480
Uh my name is Christine Haidider. I am

664
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,800
the executive assistant and the special

665
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,160
projects coordinator for the city

666
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,240
manager's office as well as the adviser

667
00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:15,109
to the youth council.

668
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:20,950
Advancing.

669
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:29,990
It's not advancing. Sorry.

670
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,319
Okay.

671
00:48:32,319 --> 00:48:34,720
>> So, as a reminder, uh the council was

672
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:38,800
created in 2017 and um the charter

673
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,760
includes um the goals of the youth

674
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,400
council to be um

675
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,440
uh multiffold um with participation in

676
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,839
the um system of local government being

677
00:48:49,839 --> 00:48:53,119
our top priority. Um and then uh helping

678
00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:54,880
the council address problems and

679
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,040
accomplish the goals um in the community

680
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:58,160
by working directly with the

681
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,240
representatives of the youth and to

682
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:02,319
serve the youth of Tacoma Park in a

683
00:49:02,319 --> 00:49:07,349
multitude of ways.

684
00:49:07,359 --> 00:49:10,319
Our 2025 2026 youth council members

685
00:49:10,319 --> 00:49:11,839
include the names that you see before

686
00:49:11,839 --> 00:49:14,240
you. I went ahead and colorcoded the

687
00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:16,800
wards on the list so that you can see um

688
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,324
the representatives from your awards.

689
00:49:19,324 --> 00:49:21,359
[snorts] As you can see, WS one and WS

690
00:49:21,359 --> 00:49:23,359
four and five, uh, we only had one

691
00:49:23,359 --> 00:49:24,880
representative, and so I would love to

692
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,359
see more youth from those wards apply to

693
00:49:27,359 --> 00:49:30,319
be on the council for next year. We also

694
00:49:30,319 --> 00:49:32,400
had the pleasure of having an exofficio

695
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,000
member this year. So, I thank you very

696
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,319
much for um, discussing that at the

697
00:49:36,319 --> 00:49:38,319
beginning of the year and including him.

698
00:49:38,319 --> 00:49:41,599
Uh, he had been a member last year and

699
00:49:41,599 --> 00:49:43,280
uh, his family had moved just outside

700
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,520
the bounds and uh, he was really

701
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,119
interested in participating once again

702
00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:48,960
and you made that happen. So, thank you

703
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,630
very much for that.

704
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,520
Our 2025 2026 projects for the year

705
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,280
kicked off by assisting the police and

706
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,119
the fire departments uh with a toy

707
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:01,920
drive. We then broke into small groups

708
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,319
and uh tackled three different projects

709
00:50:04,319 --> 00:50:06,079
uh including participating with the

710
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:08,160
sustainability team on their multif

711
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,240
family compost project.

712
00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:13,359
uh we hosted a youth town hall and uh

713
00:50:13,359 --> 00:50:15,200
there was to be a report uh to the

714
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,079
council uh with a request and there will

715
00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:20,319
be more on that in just a moment. We

716
00:50:20,319 --> 00:50:22,559
also then uh interviewed nonprofits in

717
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:24,160
our area. We interviewed 11 different

718
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,680
nonprofits and uh city TV assisted us.

719
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,280
Uh so those will uh actually be

720
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,200
appearing on city TV and these were no

721
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:32,640
small interviews. These are going to run

722
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,839
20 to 30 minutes each. Um so some very

723
00:50:35,839 --> 00:50:38,000
good questions asked.

724
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,920
We also were working on planning a

725
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,640
soccer tournament. We participated in uh

726
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,520
legislation and uh tableabling events.

727
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,400
And then we had um a big plan for our

728
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,240
July 4th parade which we will also

729
00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:53,200
discuss.

730
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,280
The first item uh was participating with

731
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,119
the police department and volunteer fire

732
00:50:57,119 --> 00:50:59,359
department on their toy drive. Uh this

733
00:50:59,359 --> 00:51:01,119
is something that the those two

734
00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:02,559
departments have worked on for multiple

735
00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:04,559
years. They realized this year that

736
00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:07,520
there were many more families in need.

737
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:11,760
uh just due to the uh different

738
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,760
uh financial things that have occurred

739
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,079
in our area recently from uh parents

740
00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:19,440
being laid off uh to just uh the price

741
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,839
of everything going up. And so they

742
00:51:21,839 --> 00:51:23,359
doubled the number of kids they wanted

743
00:51:23,359 --> 00:51:26,000
to serve to 400 uh and they reached out

744
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,359
to the youth council and asked if we

745
00:51:27,359 --> 00:51:29,599
could assist. We put out uh collection

746
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:32,079
bins at some local businesses and at the

747
00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:33,920
Blair High School and we were able to

748
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:35,440
collect over 40 different toys to

749
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,240
participate in that with this ties uh to

750
00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:39,680
the purpose of helping to instill a

751
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,200
feeling of positive self-worth and

752
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,200
esteem, teaching respect for the rights

753
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,359
of others and promote promoting

754
00:51:45,359 --> 00:51:48,400
community pride.

755
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,280
Next was our small group projects. The

756
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,760
first being um uh partnering with our

757
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,440
sustainability team to help promote the

758
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,119
pilot program for the multif family food

759
00:51:57,119 --> 00:51:59,359
waste collection. And I actually just

760
00:51:59,359 --> 00:52:01,359
received an email today. There is one

761
00:52:01,359 --> 00:52:02,720
member of our youth council still

762
00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:04,800
working on this. They have developed a

763
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:06,559
sticker that they want to um

764
00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:08,640
mass-produce and send out to help

765
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,040
continue getting the word out. So uh

766
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,119
this was clearly something that um

767
00:52:13,119 --> 00:52:16,000
struck home for her and so uh we are

768
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,520
working on seeing if we can't continue

769
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:18,880
that.

770
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,800
The second was a very successful youth

771
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,440
town hall at McGomery Blair High School.

772
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,920
Uh we had three different topics that we

773
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,720
uh approached and it was youth voting,

774
00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:30,640
the impacts of ICE and immigration on

775
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,520
area youth and youth incarceration.

776
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,839
Uh the youth council invited u our

777
00:52:35,839 --> 00:52:37,359
local, county, state, and federal

778
00:52:37,359 --> 00:52:40,079
speakers to share their experiences. And

779
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:42,000
uh many of you were able to participate

780
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,319
with us. Thank you so much. And u a big

781
00:52:44,319 --> 00:52:46,079
thank you if any of our other

782
00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:48,079
participants are watching this. Uh it

783
00:52:48,079 --> 00:52:51,119
was an amazing day. Uh we had over 80

784
00:52:51,119 --> 00:52:52,960
students from McGomery Blair participate

785
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,480
in each um portion of the day. So we

786
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,359
thought it a huge success.

787
00:52:59,359 --> 00:53:01,599
Finally, there was to be a presentation

788
00:53:01,599 --> 00:53:04,079
before me. Um

789
00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:06,640
a small group, a small subcommittee had

790
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,839
wanted to approach you and ask about

791
00:53:09,839 --> 00:53:11,680
extending the hours that parks can

792
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,800
remain open. They had realized that with

793
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,400
everything becoming more expensive in

794
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,119
the area that youth were having a hard

795
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:21,520
time finding things that they can do and

796
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:22,960
they thought, you know, if if the parks

797
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:24,720
could stay open a little bit later that

798
00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:27,520
might be of benefit. Uh currently the

799
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,079
parks close when it gets dark and in the

800
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:32,400
summertime that's not as big a deal, but

801
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,680
fall and winter uh it's five o'clock and

802
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,440
it's dark. [snorts]

803
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,559
So they had done research. They had

804
00:53:40,559 --> 00:53:42,720
spoken with our public works director.

805
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:44,559
They had spoken with um some of our

806
00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:46,400
council members for their experiences in

807
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,760
the past and were ready to ask you if

808
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,800
you would consider um looking into that.

809
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,720
They knew that this wasn't something

810
00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:56,960
that was a flip of a switch and and

811
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,119
could just auto automatically happen.

812
00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:00,720
So, this was more an exercise in

813
00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:05,200
approaching the council and seeing if a topic could be addressed over the long

814
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,359
term.

815
00:54:07,359 --> 00:54:09,760
why it didn't happen.

816
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,990
And this one's hard for me.

817
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,440
As they spoke to people in the

818
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:19,359
community, they heard negative feedback

819
00:54:19,359 --> 00:54:23,750
and it silenced their voices.

820
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,119
They didn't think they had the support

821
00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:27,440
to come before you and share their

822
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,920
desires.

823
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,559
And so that opportunity was stolen from

824
00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:34,640
them.

825
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,200
What it has told me is that this next

826
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,520
year, that is one of the things we are

827
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,240
going to discuss is that it's okay to

828
00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:44,079
have an idea that is not necessarily

829
00:54:44,079 --> 00:54:46,319
popular. It might kick off a

830
00:54:46,319 --> 00:54:48,000
conversation.

831
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,040
We might find three parks that can stay

832
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:54,319
open until 900 p.m. in the winter. Who

833
00:54:54,319 --> 00:54:56,559
knows what could happen? But the council

834
00:54:56,559 --> 00:54:59,200
cannot take action if they do not know

835
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,680
the desire. And so we're going to turn

836
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:07,190
this into a learning opportunity.

837
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,520
Our next item that I am very proud of

838
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:10,960
because I come from a nonprofit

839
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,520
management background is our interviews

840
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,079
with some of our local nonprofits.

841
00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:18,240
We included um places like the dance

842
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:21,119
exchange, our community food forest, uh

843
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:22,880
Crossroads Community Food Network,

844
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,760
Educare, Small Things Matter, and as I

845
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:27,280
mentioned, these are about 20 to 30

846
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,079
minutes each, a very deep dive. City TV

847
00:55:30,079 --> 00:55:32,240
has actually put together a small um

848
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:35,280
promo. So, if we can take a moment and

849
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:41,829
see what might be happening.

850
00:55:41,839 --> 00:55:43,760
Taking care of the community is a big

851
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,760
part of what we do. People come to

852
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:47,920
volunteer. People come to learn. People

853
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,799
come to teach. We offer mental health

854
00:55:50,799 --> 00:55:52,960
services, mental health treatments,

855
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,160
housing stability, food. Our primary

856
00:55:56,160 --> 00:56:00,640
goal is for children to have childhood

857
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,119
>> is to teach teamwork. With teamwork

858
00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:05,440
comes friendships and that's really the

859
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:05,920
goal.

860
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:07,359
>> We just figured out how to help people

861
00:56:07,359 --> 00:56:09,200
and it just kept going. The need didn't

862
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,119
go away when the pandemic. By doing

863
00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:12,559
these small acts of kindness, you can

864
00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:14,480
affect big change in the world. What is

865
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:15,440
the biggest challenge?

866
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,200
>> We have so many people that want our

867
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:18,559
service and more than we're able to

868
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:20,480
serve at our current capacity.

869
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,119
>> As a nonprofit, um funding and access to

870
00:56:23,119 --> 00:56:25,040
resources. Last year there was questions

871
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:26,720
about whether the farmers market should

872
00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:28,480
even open without hesitation. We're

873
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:29,920
like, "No, we're going to continue to

874
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:30,400
show up."

875
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,400
>> The infrastructure expansion,

876
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,640
infrastructure limitations, [music]

877
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,280
limited fundings and grants, finding

878
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:38,640
partnerships

879
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,319
>> for the department itself. Have a lot

880
00:56:40,319 --> 00:56:42,640
more active members and a lot more

881
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,359
people who find a love to help people.

882
00:56:45,359 --> 00:56:47,349
>> It's really physically and mentally

883
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:49,839
[music] exhausting, but they always go

884
00:56:49,839 --> 00:56:51,200
above and beyond.

885
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,760
>> How do you measure success? We gave 60

886
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,240
to [music] 70 rides to individuals.

887
00:56:56,240 --> 00:56:59,200
We've worked on 160 or 170 [music]

888
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:00,720
different home repairs.

889
00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:02,240
>> We've worked with a lot of community

890
00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:02,720
partners.

891
00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:04,799
>> The fact that we've gone from 13

892
00:57:04,799 --> 00:57:08,079
households to 360 that didn't happen

893
00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:09,040
overnight.

894
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:10,880
>> I get the joy out of helping people.

895
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:12,720
Going to somebody's worst day of their

896
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:14,720
lives and I make it better. That's the

897
00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:16,400
best feeling in the world. Living in a

898
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,400
place like Tacoma Park, it's very easy

899
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,760
to take an idea and then find people who

900
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,160
can gather and support that. This is a

901
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:53,109
hard what is it? 60 minutes. That's very

902
00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:56,319
Um the that this project tied to our

903
00:57:56,319 --> 00:57:58,079
purpose of helping to instill a feeling

904
00:57:58,079 --> 00:57:59,760
of positive self-worth and esteem,

905
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:00,960
teaching respect for the rights of

906
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,280
others, and promoting community pride.

907
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,440
And there is so much to be proud of in

908
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,559
this uh community. Um, I got to to watch

909
00:58:08,559 --> 00:58:12,640
over each of the interviews. Um, and I

910
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:14,720
was floored by the intelligent questions

911
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,760
that were asked. Um, and as I mentioned,

912
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,520
I come from a nonprofit background. And

913
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:20,640
this was something that was very

914
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,400
important to me because so many people

915
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,000
don't understand how their nonprofits

916
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:25,839
work. And so I thought if we can start

917
00:58:25,839 --> 00:58:28,079
our youth off with a full understanding

918
00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:29,599
of the things that they are up against

919
00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:32,319
every day and how they are a huge

920
00:58:32,319 --> 00:58:34,000
component of the things that a city can

921
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,559
achieve. Um they go forward and they

922
00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:38,319
will bless their communities in the

923
00:58:38,319 --> 00:58:42,950
future with that understanding.

924
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,520
Next we had been planning a World Cup

925
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,520
style soccer tournament. This was

926
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,119
something that we had spent almost the

927
00:58:49,119 --> 00:58:53,200
entire year on. Um, and you might know

928
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,359
we did not host a World Cup soccer

929
00:58:55,359 --> 00:58:57,040
tournament.

930
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,359
What we did find out, however, was how

931
00:58:59,359 --> 00:59:01,520
important it was to be able to research

932
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,839
and find out the legal and insurance

933
00:59:03,839 --> 00:59:06,640
ramifications of having a number of

934
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,040
youth involved in something as physical

935
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:12,960
as soccer, finding space um for such

936
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,599
games, and being able to then market and

937
00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:17,440
encourage as many participants as

938
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,319
possible. And so while we did not

939
00:59:20,319 --> 00:59:22,960
actually achieve the event itself,

940
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,440
planning a large event uh was something

941
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,160
that they had much experience in much

942
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:31,680
conversation around and um perhaps we'll

943
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:32,799
be able to do something along these

944
00:59:32,799 --> 00:59:34,160
lines next year now that we've got some

945
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,559
groundwork laid. Uh this ties to the

946
00:59:36,559 --> 00:59:38,160
purpose of planning and implementing

947
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,000
social, educational, cultural and

948
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:44,549
recreational activities for the youth

949
00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:48,079
legislation and tableabling. Um, we uh

950
00:59:48,079 --> 00:59:50,079
were pleased to be able to submit

951
00:59:50,079 --> 00:59:53,680
testimony on Maryland HB0486,

952
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,720
the Ruby Bridges Walk to School Day. Um,

953
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:58,640
I don't know if if you had had an

954
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,079
opportunity to hear what our youth

955
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:02,880
council had put together, uh, but they

956
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,119
put together an eloquent argument for

957
01:00:05,119 --> 01:00:07,599
the that case and that was a lovely

958
01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:09,440
thing to get to see them participate in

959
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,680
at a state level. Uh, getting to have

960
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:15,599
their voices heard. Um, tableabling. So,

961
01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:16,880
uh, one of the other things that we are

962
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:18,799
trying to do is encourage more students

963
01:00:18,799 --> 01:00:21,440
to participate in our, uh, voting rights

964
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:24,240
as 16 and 17 year olds in the city, uh,

965
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:26,559
as well as to possibly consider being on

966
01:00:26,559 --> 01:00:28,400
the council next year. And so, we

967
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:29,920
participated at the old school new

968
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:31,839
school basketball tournament at the

969
01:00:31,839 --> 01:00:35,440
Flower Avenue together and at Junth. Uh

970
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,599
so I would like to take a moment and let

971
01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:39,040
you know that applications are going to

972
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:40,720
be available online hopefully within the

973
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:42,799
next week and that you can share them

974
01:00:42,799 --> 01:00:44,240
with anyone's entering the grades 7

975
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:48,480
through 12 who maintain a 2.5 GPA. And

976
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,839
just as an extra incentive uh this next

977
01:00:51,839 --> 01:00:55,760
year uh 2006 into 2007 is our 10th

978
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,319
cohort for the youth council. And so

979
01:00:58,319 --> 01:01:00,960
this is a kind of a a lovely thing to

980
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:02,480
see that we have been able to continue

981
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,760
for this many years.

982
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:08,720
And finally, our July 4th parade event.

983
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,079
I'm going to take a moment and bring up

984
01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:17,202
a couple of friends. One moment.

985
01:01:17,212 --> 01:01:20,390
[laughter]

986
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,599
May I introduce Bob the Yeti and Harry

987
01:01:23,599 --> 01:01:26,079
the Alien?

988
01:01:26,079 --> 01:01:27,920
I didn't name them. It's how it

989
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:29,359
happened.

990
01:01:29,359 --> 01:01:32,240
These two gentlemen were going to assist

991
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,960
us in encouraging mo more folks to

992
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:38,000
participate in their voting rights. Um

993
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,400
sometimes what we have learned is that

994
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,400
people think that registering to vote

995
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,720
and participating at that level is a

996
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,520
very complicated uh process and so we

997
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:49,200
wanted to make it easier for them to

998
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:50,720
realize that it breaks down into pretty

999
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,760
much three easy steps. Registering which

1000
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:57,040
you can do through uh our city clerk. uh

1001
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,839
the forms are online. Education,

1002
01:01:59,839 --> 01:02:02,000
educating yourself on the candidates or

1003
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,319
the topics that are before you and then

1004
01:02:04,319 --> 01:02:05,680
making sure that you get to your polling

1005
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,319
place and voting that day.

1006
01:02:08,319 --> 01:02:11,920
We had created this one uh because we

1007
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:15,280
thought that uh voting as to see whether

1008
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,760
or not yetis or aliens were more likely

1009
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,319
to be real would be enough of a topic to

1010
01:02:20,319 --> 01:02:22,640
get folks to talking [gasps]

1011
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,599
and enough controversy around it. like

1012
01:02:25,599 --> 01:02:26,799
what do you think you're actually going

1013
01:02:26,799 --> 01:02:29,200
to find first? And it's been kind of fun

1014
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:30,880
because uh if you were to pull amongst

1015
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:32,960
yourself now, I bet you're going to find

1016
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:35,280
three people going one way and three

1017
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:36,960
people going another way and two people

1018
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:39,599
going I just I don't know. [laughter]

1019
01:02:39,599 --> 01:02:44,079
Uh so it was uh meant to en encourage

1020
01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:46,559
those types of conversations and then be

1021
01:02:46,559 --> 01:02:48,559
able to be transferred into that concept

1022
01:02:48,559 --> 01:02:51,760
of now see how easy it would be to vote

1023
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,559
for your award um and participate and

1024
01:02:54,559 --> 01:02:56,799
make sure that your voice is heard. One

1025
01:02:56,799 --> 01:02:59,359
of the things we were going to do after

1026
01:02:59,359 --> 01:03:02,400
a person voted was provide a little yeti

1027
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,960
or a little alien. [laughter] So I

1028
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:10,549
currently have a thousand

1029
01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:12,319
And as adorable as they are, I don't

1030
01:03:12,319 --> 01:03:14,880
need a thousand. So, one of the things

1031
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:16,720
that we are working on is reaching out

1032
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:18,480
to local businesses and seeing if we can

1033
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:21,200
still continue this idea, possibly buy a

1034
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,359
scavenger hunt. So, if they enter three

1035
01:03:23,359 --> 01:03:25,520
different businesses and learn a step at

1036
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:27,839
each business and then come down to the

1037
01:03:27,839 --> 01:03:30,640
community center, they can collect their

1038
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:32,480
uh reward.

1039
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:34,000
Uh so, we're going to continue to work

1040
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,359
on that over the summer as well.

1041
01:03:37,359 --> 01:03:41,270
Are there any questions?

1042
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:44,160
» I just want to say thank you so much.

1043
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,720
Um, our youth council has done a

1044
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:50,640
tremendous amount of work. I am just so

1045
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:53,440
in awe at all of the work that they've

1046
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:55,039
been doing and all of the work that

1047
01:03:55,039 --> 01:03:59,200
you've been doing with them. Um, hearing

1048
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,559
all of the the the the joys and the

1049
01:04:02,559 --> 01:04:06,000
pains that they've experienced. Although

1050
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:07,280
sometimes they can be a little

1051
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:10,240
disappointing. Yes. Um they sound a lot

1052
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:13,680
like a an adult council where you have

1053
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:16,160
some wins. You have some ideas that are

1054
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:20,870
great and everyone boo you. [laughter]

1055
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,280
You do a lot of leg work only to pass it

1056
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:25,854
off to the next council to build.

1057
01:04:25,854 --> 01:04:27,039
[laughter]

1058
01:04:27,039 --> 01:04:30,319
So, it it is one of those things that is

1059
01:04:30,319 --> 01:04:32,480
um

1060
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,119
such a vital life skill for our youth to

1061
01:04:35,119 --> 01:04:38,559
learn um in terms of how to keep

1062
01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:41,839
pressing forward and persevering. Um,

1063
01:04:41,839 --> 01:04:43,920
and in terms of the idea about parks

1064
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:47,680
being open longer, I was actually in

1065
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:50,079
some conversations with folks about

1066
01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:51,280
lighting [music]

1067
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:53,520
at some of our parks, not just as it

1068
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:56,240
relates to kids play, but also I think

1069
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:57,839
some lighting could also help with some

1070
01:04:57,839 --> 01:05:00,960
safety issues. Um, because I got caught

1071
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:02,799
in the dark at the old school new school

1072
01:05:02,799 --> 01:05:04,400
basketball tournament and I was like,

1073
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:08,160
why is it why don't we have lights? Um,

1074
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,480
so I have I have spoken to council uh

1075
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,920
council member um Stewart and I will

1076
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:15,520
follow up with her and her folks again

1077
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:18,160
about what are all of the hoops we have

1078
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:19,520
to jump through in order to get some

1079
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:27,119
additional lighting in some of our park areas. Um so thank you very much uh

1080
01:05:27,119 --> 01:05:29,599
Christine and to the youth council for

1081
01:05:29,599 --> 01:05:31,760
continuing to keep us focused on our

1082
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:33,599
youth and the things that they need in

1083
01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:35,520
our community.

1084
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:38,079
Uh, Council Member Hanzac,

1085
01:05:38,079 --> 01:05:41,280
>> if I can just pile on, [laughter]

1086
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:44,720
>> I I just this is so amazing. The youth

1087
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:46,720
council was so very active this year

1088
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:49,680
under your leadership and guidance and

1089
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:52,559
counsel. Um, and a couple things just

1090
01:05:52,559 --> 01:05:54,000
caught my attention that I just wanted

1091
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,640
to lift up. I mean, one is your

1092
01:05:56,640 --> 01:06:00,000
unbelievable and unwavering enthusiasm.

1093
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:01,680
you clearly threw your whole self into

1094
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:05,680
it and it shows and um and um and that

1095
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:10,400
nonprofit video was just spectacular. I

1096
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,160
hope that it makes the rounds in our

1097
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:14,079
community. I hope we can have a link to

1098
01:06:14,079 --> 01:06:16,960
it so we could like click on it and send

1099
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:20,480
it out on our various lists. Yes, maybe

1100
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:22,240
that would be super cool. Is that

1101
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:25,039
possible? Um once the videos on YouTube

1102
01:06:25,039 --> 01:06:27,119
>> once the videos are completely um edited

1103
01:06:27,119 --> 01:06:28,799
together uh they are going to be on

1104
01:06:28,799 --> 01:06:30,400
YouTube and each of the nonprofits will

1105
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,000
get to post it on their socials or on

1106
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,160
their web page to help um get the word

1107
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:35,440
out about all the work that they do.

1108
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:37,760
>> Cool. It was just so neat to see our

1109
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,160
young people in our community um you

1110
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:42,079
know like Howard Khan in a chair like

1111
01:06:42,079 --> 01:06:44,716
looking like he's on 60 Minutes

1112
01:06:44,716 --> 01:06:44,799
>> [laughter]

1113
01:06:44,799 --> 01:06:48,240
>> um or you know Roxan or Omar. Anyway,

1114
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:49,680
all the wonderful all these wonderful

1115
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:51,520
amazing leaders in our community. Um,

1116
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:53,520
and then I loved seeing Leslie Romangh

1117
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:56,960
from the um from the uh purple I call it

1118
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,119
the purple school. Sorry, Leslie. Um, I

1119
01:06:59,119 --> 01:07:00,960
know the Tacoma Park Cooperative Nursery

1120
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:04,079
School, TPCNS. Um, that says, "What is

1121
01:07:04,079 --> 01:07:06,000
this? This is the hardest. This is like

1122
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,240
60 minutes." and um she's got that great

1123
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:10,720
sense of humor. But I actually remember

1124
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:13,520
that three years ago, the previous youth

1125
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:17,039
council had some of us up here and they

1126
01:07:17,039 --> 01:07:20,960
asked us questions that even our most

1127
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:22,960
challenging community members wouldn't

1128
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,520
have the bravery to ask us on an open

1129
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,880
mic and we were like, [clears throat]

1130
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:30,559
uh, are you sure you want to ask that

1131
01:07:30,559 --> 01:07:32,960
one? You know, and so um I just think

1132
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,200
it's fantastic. This is what youth bring

1133
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:37,200
to us. And uh and I just want to say

1134
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:39,920
congratulations to the youth council on

1135
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:42,640
all the incredible things you you do. It

1136
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:44,799
is not every day that we can even boast

1137
01:07:44,799 --> 01:07:46,880
that we helped to pass legislation like

1138
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:49,280
Ruby Bridges walk to school day. So well

1139
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:53,920
done. Well done. and um and an appeal if

1140
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:57,119
your youth would like to come back to

1141
01:07:57,119 --> 01:07:59,839
council on this issue or any other but

1142
01:07:59,839 --> 01:08:02,880
particularly since they put the work in

1143
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:05,520
our community communities everywhere can

1144
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:09,119
be a hostile place we will stand beside

1145
01:08:09,119 --> 01:08:12,480
them I am certain we will walk them into

1146
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:16,640
this space our mayor will be a beast I'm

1147
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:20,719
sure about keeping everyone in line to

1148
01:08:20,719 --> 01:08:24,239
respect their rights to be heard um as

1149
01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:26,960
she does all the time. But I really I I

1150
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,839
am positive that we can make them feel

1151
01:08:29,839 --> 01:08:32,880
safe in this space. So if if it would

1152
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:34,719
take a word from any of us to come be

1153
01:08:34,719 --> 01:08:36,719
their allies, please encourage them to

1154
01:08:36,719 --> 01:08:38,319
think about coming again.

1155
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:39,679
>> I will make sure that they hear that.

1156
01:08:39,679 --> 01:08:42,000
>> Thank you, [laughter]

1157
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,880
>> Council Member Lamman.

1158
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:46,560
Thank you so much for that report and I

1159
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:48,239
want to especially thank you not only

1160
01:08:48,239 --> 01:08:50,480
because it was very, you know, wholesome

1161
01:08:50,480 --> 01:08:52,319
and full of really great projects, but

1162
01:08:52,319 --> 01:08:54,480
that you did include the projects that

1163
01:08:54,480 --> 01:08:56,480
did not get over the finish line and

1164
01:08:56,480 --> 01:08:58,960
that tells me first off that people are

1165
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:01,359
setting their sights very ambitiously

1166
01:09:01,359 --> 01:09:02,960
and I really think that that's

1167
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:04,560
remarkable and they they should be

1168
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:06,480
congratulated and secondly it gives us

1169
01:09:06,480 --> 01:09:08,560
insight into where we have more work to

1170
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,600
do. Uh and um I have a question for you

1171
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:13,920
about the participants. Uh I think one

1172
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:16,000
of the really wonderful features about

1173
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:18,480
our youth council is the broad age range

1174
01:09:18,480 --> 01:09:22,319
of of eligible participants. And so do

1175
01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:26,480
you have a sense of um of uh who is how

1176
01:09:26,480 --> 01:09:28,080
many people are starting really young

1177
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:29,759
and then sticking with it for multiple

1178
01:09:29,759 --> 01:09:31,679
years versus only doing this for one

1179
01:09:31,679 --> 01:09:34,000
year? Are we recruiting um across the

1180
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,480
age spectrum and are we retaining people

1181
01:09:36,480 --> 01:09:38,480
for more than one year so that they can

1182
01:09:38,480 --> 01:09:39,920
benefit from what they learned in year

1183
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,319
one to try and move it forward in the

1184
01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:43,600
subsequent years? If you have any

1185
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:45,359
insights on those, I'd appreciate it.

1186
01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:47,679
>> I can speak to my experience. Um I've

1187
01:09:47,679 --> 01:09:49,520
only been their adviser for two years.

1188
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:52,000
Uh but I do know that a number of uh

1189
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,880
members currently have served for three

1190
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:57,760
to four years. Um we also had two

1191
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,000
seventh graders participating with us.

1192
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:01,440
And actually something that I really

1193
01:10:01,440 --> 01:10:03,520
appreciated that I thought was going to

1194
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:05,520
be uh one of those behind the-scenes

1195
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:07,360
kinds of things that an adviser has to

1196
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:09,440
do was to make sure that the seventh

1197
01:10:09,440 --> 01:10:11,760
graders got to have their um questions

1198
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,640
answered and and voices heard as well.

1199
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:16,960
They were right in there.

1200
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:19,199
They uh whenever they wanted to like

1201
01:10:19,199 --> 01:10:21,440
make sure that their opinion was heard,

1202
01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:22,960
they were they just jumped right in. And

1203
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:25,199
they were talking to 11th graders. Um

1204
01:10:25,199 --> 01:10:27,360
and I remember being very scared of 11th

1205
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:28,719
graders when I [laughter] was in junior

1206
01:10:28,719 --> 01:10:33,120
high. So, um, but as to actual data and

1207
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:35,120
numbers, I I couldn't give you that. I

1208
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:36,400
could do a little research though for

1209
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:38,239
you if you're interested.

1210
01:10:38,239 --> 01:10:39,840
>> Thank you.

1211
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:45,189
Uh, Council Member Schlaggel.

1212
01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:49,520
» I just wanted to thank you. Sorry, I

1213
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:51,199
might echo.

1214
01:10:51,199 --> 01:10:54,320
>> We don't hear an echo on our end.

1215
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:56,960
I just wanted to thank you for your

1216
01:10:56,960 --> 01:11:00,320
approach when initiatives didn't make it

1217
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:02,640
across the finish line or faced

1218
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:04,719
obstacles that you you treated the

1219
01:11:04,719 --> 01:11:07,520
entire process as a learning experience

1220
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:09,360
that they can carry forward with them.

1221
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:11,440
So, thank you very much for that.

1222
01:11:11,440 --> 01:11:12,560
>> Thank you.

1223
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:14,000
Council Member Schlaggel,

1224
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:15,440
Council Member Wesley.

1225
01:11:15,440 --> 01:11:17,760
>> Thank you. Um, thank you so much. It's

1226
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:19,840
really, really impressive and exciting

1227
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:22,560
to see so many different things. Um, I

1228
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:25,679
will just uh share that ever since you

1229
01:11:25,679 --> 01:11:28,000
showed the alien and yeti including the

1230
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,159
little figurines, my mind has been

1231
01:11:30,159 --> 01:11:33,600
churning. Um, knowing that we have an

1232
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:36,080
election day coming up, I don't know how

1233
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:38,560
much how much their rent has been to

1234
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:40,124
keep them stored wherever they

1235
01:11:40,124 --> 01:11:43,360
[laughter] are. Um, but wondering if if

1236
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:46,000
there's any way to engage with folks at

1237
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,400
our polling places

1238
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:51,280
with with youth voting, but also a way

1239
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:53,360
to connect that with kids. I know I

1240
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:55,120
always go to vote with my kids and

1241
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:56,159
they're just kind of sitting and

1242
01:11:56,159 --> 01:11:58,080
standing around and I would love some

1243
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:00,800
way to some kind of activity. This is

1244
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:03,600
not youth council specific. So, um, but

1245
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:07,199
anyway, just if, uh, you want any

1246
01:12:07,199 --> 01:12:09,760
creative thinking on how we could still

1247
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:11,600
get those out there and do some kind of

1248
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:13,920
voting process, uh, I'd be happy to

1249
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:14,320
help.

1250
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:16,000
>> I would be a big fan of that. And before

1251
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:17,600
I forget, I know that I had printed it

1252
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:19,040
on the slide, but just to say it out

1253
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:21,120
loud, we were able to do these because

1254
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,120
of the July 4th committee's weird and

1255
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:25,600
wonderful grant. So we thank very much

1256
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:27,600
the the July 4th committee for uh

1257
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:29,600
accepting our grant proposal which by

1258
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:32,525
the way uh they wrote a wonderful grant

1259
01:12:32,525 --> 01:12:36,400
[laughter] so many

1260
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:38,960
>> thank you uh council member Gilbert.

1261
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:41,120
>> Thanks Mayor um [clears throat]

1262
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:43,760
and thank you for

1263
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:47,520
being um there for those young men and

1264
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:49,555
women who are

1265
01:12:49,555 --> 01:12:50,320
[clears throat]

1266
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:53,040
obviously well beyond their years. I had

1267
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:55,600
the pleasure of sitting in on a meeting

1268
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:57,120
with them a couple of months ago and I

1269
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:59,120
mentioned and [clears throat] happened

1270
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:02,719
to be there and was um and sat down with

1271
01:13:02,719 --> 01:13:06,560
the subcommittee that um wanted to to

1272
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:09,280
look into the lighting for the parks and

1273
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:11,600
the additional hours and it was my

1274
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,400
recommendation that they they go out and

1275
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:16,640
speak to members of the community. Um,

1276
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:18,719
so I'm flattered that they took my

1277
01:13:18,719 --> 01:13:20,080
advice, but at the same time

1278
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:22,880
disappointed that they uh feel so

1279
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:24,480
discouraged and I'm hoping that they'll

1280
01:13:24,480 --> 01:13:26,560
bounce back. I'm sure they will.

1281
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:29,280
>> Um, but I just wanted to also make clear

1282
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:31,280
for the for those who are listening

1283
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:33,440
community, the exeicio member does not

1284
01:13:33,440 --> 01:13:35,520
have voting rights. Is is that correct?

1285
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:37,440
Just so so people know.

1286
01:13:37,440 --> 01:13:40,640
>> But um does have an opportunity to

1287
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:43,840
participate in and has a voice in during

1288
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:46,640
the conversation. I was also there when

1289
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:49,679
they voted down the idea of the World

1290
01:13:49,679 --> 01:13:52,400
Cup and the disappointment of those who

1291
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:55,280
really wanted to push forward but just,

1292
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:56,960
you know, they swallowed it as a part of

1293
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,840
the process. Um, and it was special to

1294
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:01,199
see him in action on that day. So,

1295
01:14:01,199 --> 01:14:04,870
thanks for inviting me.

1296
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:06,159
» Thank you, Council Member Gilbert.

1297
01:14:06,159 --> 01:14:08,080
Council member Dala. Yeah, just just

1298
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:09,920
very briefly, thank you for being there

1299
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,560
for them and and helping to support them

1300
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,520
in this. And thank you to all of the

1301
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:17,920
youth council members for for stepping

1302
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:21,199
up and doing all this. Um, every year

1303
01:14:21,199 --> 01:14:24,159
the council delivers. It's just so

1304
01:14:24,159 --> 01:14:27,520
awesome to see every 10 years doesn't

1305
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:30,080
sound like a long time, but it when I

1306
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:31,920
talk with other communities, I find that

1307
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,320
actually in the life of youth councils,

1308
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:38,000
it is. And I'm really proud that we have

1309
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:42,000
a continued active group of youth that

1310
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:43,840
want to want to join and want to and

1311
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:45,199
want to participate in this kind of

1312
01:14:45,199 --> 01:14:47,040
thing. Thank you very much.

1313
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:47,600
>> Thank you.

1314
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:50,080
very much. And thank you uh

1315
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:53,120
Christine again for all of your work. Um

1316
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:55,199
very appreciative of the youth council

1317
01:14:55,199 --> 01:14:57,600
and uh thank you so much. We will

1318
01:14:57,600 --> 01:14:59,840
continue to to work in collaboration

1319
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:01,600
with our youth council going forward.

1320
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:02,640
>> Thanks very much.

1321
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:05,760
>> Thank you. Next, we're going to move to

1322
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:07,440
our voting session this evening. The

1323
01:15:07,440 --> 01:15:08,800
first is a first reading ordinance

1324
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:11,440
approving FY27 budget amendment number

1325
01:15:11,440 --> 01:15:13,760
one.

1326
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:15,360
Going to kick off to staff to see

1327
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:18,400
whether or not there are any points of

1328
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:21,920
clarity or discussion

1329
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,560
on this item. [snorts]

1330
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:27,440
>> Yes. Thank you, Madame Mayor. We uh we

1331
01:15:27,440 --> 01:15:29,600
do have some in the staff report

1332
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:33,040
publicly posted um some further expl

1333
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:36,560
explanation of some of the uh more last

1334
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:38,960
minute additions to this proposed budget

1335
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:40,960
amendment number one. Uh it's

1336
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:44,640
highlighted in the staff report and uh I

1337
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:46,960
would uh like our director uh Susan

1338
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:50,080
Chung to uh walk council through what

1339
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:52,880
those uh adjustments were about and

1340
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:55,120
we're prepared to answer any questions.

1341
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:58,080
Uh there's also cross reference to the

1342
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:01,120
uh tables uh in the uh budget amendment

1343
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:07,830
itself.

1344
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:12,640
» Council and mayor, um I want to uh point

1345
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:14,960
out there are actually three changes

1346
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:18,000
after the uh council word section on

1347
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:21,520
July 15 and these three changes are from

1348
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:26,080
the city clock uh division. Um, we added

1349
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:29,199
$90,000 in the general fund and this is

1350
01:16:29,199 --> 01:16:32,000
a reappropriation

1351
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:34,800
uh reappropriation from last year. It's

1352
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:37,760
a $40,000 for the temporary assistance

1353
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:41,199
and 50,000 for the contract and this is

1354
01:16:41,199 --> 01:16:44,480
to use for the unlawful restrictive

1355
01:16:44,480 --> 01:16:46,719
competent project.

1356
01:16:46,719 --> 01:16:50,480
So um the second item is presented by

1357
01:16:50,480 --> 01:16:54,719
public works and they added 70,000 is

1358
01:16:54,719 --> 01:16:57,440
also a reappropriation

1359
01:16:57,440 --> 01:16:59,679
uh to the general fund for the purchase

1360
01:16:59,679 --> 01:17:04,400
of a leave vacuum. Um and this le vacuum

1361
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:07,679
was already ordered in fiscal year 26.

1362
01:17:07,679 --> 01:17:10,640
Unfortunately it was delivered late. So

1363
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:13,120
that's why we have to move the money the

1364
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:16,719
budget from fiscal year 26 to 27 to pay

1365
01:17:16,719 --> 01:17:20,000
for it. So again it was something that

1366
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:23,920
we budgeted for 26 but because of the

1367
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,480
delay delivery that we have to use the

1368
01:17:26,480 --> 01:17:30,159
money in 27. The last item is the police

1369
01:17:30,159 --> 01:17:32,800
department. They're transferring

1370
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:35,199
$24,000,

1371
01:17:35,199 --> 01:17:38,320
which is a budget increase originally in

1372
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:41,199
the general fund for the motor roller

1373
01:17:41,199 --> 01:17:44,560
equipment contract. And this money is

1374
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:47,199
moved from the general fund and to be

1375
01:17:47,199 --> 01:17:49,760
paid for from the uh stop sign camera

1376
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:51,840
fund because they have sufficient money

1377
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:54,400
in the stop sign program to pay for that

1378
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:56,880
additional cost. So these are the three

1379
01:17:56,880 --> 01:18:00,719
items that is included in the changes

1380
01:18:00,719 --> 01:18:03,280
for the first reading and these changes

1381
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:08,239
were not in the original first um

1382
01:18:08,239 --> 01:18:11,120
word session. Okay. So because of these

1383
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:13,600
changes there were some changes made to

1384
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:18,159
our final um general fund unassigned

1385
01:18:18,159 --> 01:18:22,159
reserve as well as the fund balance.

1386
01:18:22,159 --> 01:18:24,800
So, these changes include an expenditure

1387
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:27,520
reduction of $5,000.

1388
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:30,719
An expenditure re reduction will um make

1389
01:18:30,719 --> 01:18:34,080
our unassigned reserve balance increase

1390
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:38,800
because expenditure reduction is uh

1391
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:40,320
almost

1392
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:44,719
similar to RA revenue addition. So um

1393
01:18:44,719 --> 01:18:47,760
the design reserve has changed slightly

1394
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:50,880
increased to 5.98 million and bringing

1395
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:53,920
the reserve ratio to 18.15

1396
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:56,960
where the total fund balance is close to

1397
01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:59,440
$17 million

1398
01:18:59,440 --> 01:19:01,520
at the end of this uh first budget

1399
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:04,719
amendment. So these are the changes. Uh

1400
01:19:04,719 --> 01:19:07,120
it's highlighted in yellow and in the

1401
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:12,480
table also um we highlight every item

1402
01:19:12,480 --> 01:19:17,280
that changed in yellow as well as in the

1403
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:20,000
um funding sources. The changes were

1404
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:22,560
also highlighted in yellow.

1405
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:24,800
Um I'll be happy to answer any

1406
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:31,830
questions.

1407
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,480
Great. Um, I do just want to make sure

1408
01:19:34,480 --> 01:19:38,320
I'm clear on the um

1409
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:41,440
unlawful restricted covenants um item

1410
01:19:41,440 --> 01:19:44,640
and how it was budgeted for. I just want

1411
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:49,590
to make sure that I am

1412
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:53,040
remembering this correctly. So I thought

1413
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:56,480
during budget reconciliation we included

1414
01:19:56,480 --> 01:19:59,280
um a set amount. Is it was that set

1415
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:01,920
amount split between these these two

1416
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:03,440
categories? I'm just trying to make sure

1417
01:20:03,440 --> 01:20:05,760
I understand.

1418
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:09,440
>> In the fiscal year 27 budget, there was

1419
01:20:09,440 --> 01:20:13,920
a budget uh included in the city manager

1420
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:15,280
contract line.

1421
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:15,840
>> Okay.

1422
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:18,880
>> And these two items here, it is in the

1423
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:22,640
26 budget and being reappropriated to

1424
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:27,199
27. So they are two different um

1425
01:20:27,199 --> 01:20:30,080
different things but is with the same

1426
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:31,280
program.

1427
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:34,719
>> Okay. So um

1428
01:20:34,719 --> 01:20:36,239
yeah cuz I'm looking at the budget

1429
01:20:36,239 --> 01:20:39,040
services and charges total 5,000 a

1430
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:42,320
decrease of 40 or 90% compared to prior

1431
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:46,239
fiscal year fiscal year 26 budget

1432
01:20:46,239 --> 01:20:48,239
includes funds for advertising related

1433
01:20:48,239 --> 01:20:50,400
to the removal of unlawful restricted

1434
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:52,159
covenants.

1435
01:20:52,159 --> 01:20:55,199
So, the restrictive covenant um in the

1436
01:20:55,199 --> 01:20:58,000
contract of the city manager was about

1437
01:20:58,000 --> 01:20:59,920
$55,000

1438
01:20:59,920 --> 01:21:03,040
and here is another 90,000 being moved

1439
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:05,199
from fiscal year 26 to 27.

1440
01:21:05,199 --> 01:21:06,640
>> That's what I'm trying to make sure I'm

1441
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:08,640
understanding that it's on top of

1442
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:08,960
>> Yes.

1443
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:11,679
Can I just provide clarity? Um so

1444
01:21:11,679 --> 01:21:15,120
the 90,000 was in FY26.

1445
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:17,679
Um, and it was broken out 40,000 for

1446
01:21:17,679 --> 01:21:20,320
temporary assistance and uh 50,000 it

1447
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:22,800
says contractor but it says newspaper.

1448
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:26,320
And then this year we in FY27 we added

1449
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:30,400
additional 55 to help uh pay for um

1450
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:32,480
legal review that we may need. So we

1451
01:21:32,480 --> 01:21:36,560
have a total of 145 to work with in

1452
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:37,840
>> between the two. That that's what I'm

1453
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:40,111
trying to get a handle on because I I I

1454
01:21:40,111 --> 01:21:41,360
[clears throat] was like no I knew that

1455
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:44,800
we had budgeted the 95k in 26. however

1456
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:47,600
that was allocated. Y um and I knew we

1457
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:49,360
put a placeholder hoping we wouldn't

1458
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:52,400
need it in the 27 budget, hoping that

1459
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:54,000
the the things in Annapolis would pass

1460
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:56,080
and we wouldn't necessarily need to add

1461
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:58,159
all of this extra money, but just in

1462
01:21:58,159 --> 01:21:59,280
case.

1463
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:01,199
>> Okay. I just want to make sure I'm I'm

1464
01:22:01,199 --> 01:22:03,440
clear because I was getting a little

1465
01:22:03,440 --> 01:22:04,480
twisted around. Okay.

1466
01:22:04,480 --> 01:22:08,560
>> Yeah. The idea was if we didn't if the bill passed, that would have

1467
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:10,080
allowed us to go with a banner, for

1468
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:12,000
example, because banner is much cheaper.

1469
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:13,920
then we would have had additional money.

1470
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:16,080
Maybe we would not have needed um all of

1471
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:18,480
the 55,000.

1472
01:22:18,480 --> 01:22:22,159
>> Right. Thank you for that.

1473
01:22:22,159 --> 01:22:24,159
Any other questions, points of

1474
01:22:24,159 --> 01:22:28,080
discussion? Okay. Seeing no more

1475
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:31,360
additional lights. Um would someone like

1476
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:33,199
to move the first reading ordinance

1477
01:22:33,199 --> 01:22:35,199
approving FY27 budget amendment number

1478
01:22:35,199 --> 01:22:36,320
one?

1479
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:36,800
>> So moved.

1480
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:38,400
>> Thank you, Council Member Dybala. Do I

1481
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:39,040
have a second?

1482
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:40,560
>> Second. Thank you, Council Member

1483
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:43,440
Hanzac, for a second. Um, any additional

1484
01:22:43,440 --> 01:22:46,560
points of discussion on this item.

1485
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:48,400
Okay,

1486
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:50,320
Council Member Lamman, is that a Okay,

1487
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:53,360
ready to vote. All right, so with that,

1488
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:54,960
uh

1489
01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:58,800
would um we are virtual this evening. Um

1490
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:01,120
would uh the clerk please call the role

1491
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:01,840
on this one.

1492
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:03,760
>> Council member Ladman,

1493
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:05,520
>> I. Council member Dybala,

1494
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:05,920
>> yes.

1495
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:07,840
>> Council member Schlaggel,

1496
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:09,679
>> yes. Council member Gilbert,

1497
01:23:09,679 --> 01:23:10,080
>> yes.

1498
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:11,440
>> Council member Hanzac,

1499
01:23:11,440 --> 01:23:11,760
>> yes.

1500
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:14,960
>> Council member Weslec,

1501
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:16,159
>> Mayor Cersi,

1502
01:23:16,159 --> 01:23:17,199
>> I.

1503
01:23:17,199 --> 01:23:19,760
>> Um, next we're going to vote to convene

1504
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:22,000
as a storm water management board. All

1505
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:24,719
those in favor of convening as a storm

1506
01:23:24,719 --> 01:23:26,880
water management board, please say I.

1507
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:28,480
>> I. You have any opposed?

1508
01:23:28,480 --> 01:23:30,000
>> I.

1509
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:32,080
>> Any abstain? All right. We are the storm

1510
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:34,960
water management board. Um, now we have

1511
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:36,159
the first reading ordinance approving

1512
01:23:36,159 --> 01:23:40,719
the FY27 storm water management budget

1513
01:23:40,719 --> 01:23:45,750
amendment number one. Um,

1514
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:49,440
are there um any specific items related

1515
01:23:49,440 --> 01:23:51,840
to the storm water budget, Director

1516
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:54,880
Chung, that you would like to highlight?

1517
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:57,120
>> Um, there's no change for the storm

1518
01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:59,280
water um budget amendment.

1519
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:03,120
>> Great. All right. Any questions before

1520
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:09,910
we move this one?

1521
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:12,239
» Okay, no worries. All right, seeing

1522
01:24:12,239 --> 01:24:14,719
none, would someone like to move it?

1523
01:24:14,719 --> 01:24:15,280
>> So move.

1524
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:16,800
>> Thank you, Council Member Lamman. Do I

1525
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:17,280
have a second?

1526
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:17,840
>> Second.

1527
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:20,800
>> Thank you, Council Member Dybala. Any uh

1528
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:22,560
points of discussion?

1529
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:25,199
>> All right, seeing no lights, would the

1530
01:24:25,199 --> 01:24:26,960
clerk please call the role on this one?

1531
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:28,239
>> Council member Landman,

1532
01:24:28,239 --> 01:24:28,639
>> I.

1533
01:24:28,639 --> 01:24:29,760
>> Council member Dalo,

1534
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:31,600
>> yes. Yes. Council member Schlaggel.

1535
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:32,000
>> Yes.

1536
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:33,199
>> Council member Gilbert.

1537
01:24:33,199 --> 01:24:33,600
>> Yes.

1538
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:34,719
>> Council member Hanzac.

1539
01:24:34,719 --> 01:24:35,040
>> Yes.

1540
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:36,239
>> Council member Wesley.

1541
01:24:36,239 --> 01:24:36,560
>> Hi.

1542
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:37,360
>> Mayor Cersei.

1543
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:38,239
>> Hi.

1544
01:24:38,239 --> 01:24:39,760
>> All right. We're going to move to our

1545
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:41,280
first work session this evening.

1546
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:42,159
>> Thank you.

1547
01:24:42,159 --> 01:24:45,520
very much, Director Chung.

1548
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:49,040
Um, so this item is options to address

1549
01:24:49,040 --> 01:25:16,149
unlawful restricted covenants.

1550
01:25:16,159 --> 01:25:18,000
Thank you, Madame Mayor. Um, so this

1551
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:20,719
item here on the uh restrictive

1552
01:25:20,719 --> 01:25:22,880
covenants, uh, before I launch into the

1553
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:24,560
presentation, I want to thank the

1554
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:27,520
council members uh, for the opportunity

1555
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:29,440
to brief with you all. Not everybody,

1556
01:25:29,440 --> 01:25:32,000
but with those we were able to. Um, and

1557
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:33,520
I also want to thank those who sent

1558
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:36,560
emails. um uh asking for a clarity. Uh

1559
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:38,000
we hope that the briefings and the

1560
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:40,320
emails um provided the clarity you were

1561
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:43,440
seeking. Um I also want to acknowledge

1562
01:25:43,440 --> 01:25:45,920
uh Jim Douglas who is here from historic

1563
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:48,719
Tacoma. Um

1564
01:25:48,719 --> 01:25:53,760
and um and then uh just an overview um

1565
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:56,800
in this presentation in this proposal uh

1566
01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:59,600
staff is seeking to provide council with

1567
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:02,880
a balanced approach um to carrying out

1568
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:06,000
the task of removing the unlawful

1569
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:08,639
restrictive language from um identified

1570
01:26:08,639 --> 01:26:12,239
deeds and um declaration of covenants.

1571
01:26:12,239 --> 01:26:14,159
Um the presentation is going to take me

1572
01:26:14,159 --> 01:26:16,800
about 10 minutes. I will zip through it.

1573
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:19,280
um and then turn it over to the mayor uh

1574
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:21,440
to open up the floor for discussion and

1575
01:26:21,440 --> 01:26:23,199
questions.

1576
01:26:23,199 --> 01:26:26,639
So with that, I will launch. Um these

1577
01:26:26,639 --> 01:26:28,480
are the there are three decision points

1578
01:26:28,480 --> 01:26:30,320
for the mayor and council. I'm putting

1579
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:33,280
them up uh first because I want you to

1580
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:35,840
uh um have these in mind as we go

1581
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:37,760
through the slides. Uh the first

1582
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:39,600
question uh the first decision point is

1583
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:42,000
the um interpretation of resolution

1584
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:44,960
2040. Uh in the resolution uh the mayor

1585
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:47,679
and council directed staff to remove the

1586
01:26:47,679 --> 01:26:49,600
unlawful discriminatory language from

1587
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:53,440
all deeds within the city. Um uh in our

1588
01:26:53,440 --> 01:26:56,080
proposal what we are saying is removing

1589
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:58,880
the unlawful restrictive language from

1590
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:01,120
those identified deeds and declaration

1591
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:04,560
of covenants. Um the second option uh

1592
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:06,800
the second uh decision point is

1593
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:09,679
notification option. it is um either

1594
01:27:09,679 --> 01:27:11,440
Washington Post or the daily records

1595
01:27:11,440 --> 01:27:14,560
with additional outreach efforts. Um and

1596
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:16,639
the third item is the assignment of the

1597
01:27:16,639 --> 01:27:19,280
project to either historic Tacoma who

1598
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:20,800
has done a significant amount of work

1599
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:24,159
already or to uh legal firms um outside

1600
01:27:24,159 --> 01:27:26,960
entities um who would need to do the

1601
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:29,199
work uh need to do the research um from

1602
01:27:29,199 --> 01:27:31,600
the beginning and they would be um at a

1603
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:34,400
much higher price. uh the scope if uh

1604
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:36,000
whoever gets assigned the scope would

1605
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:38,000
encompass making the modifications would

1606
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:40,639
include the research the modifications

1607
01:27:40,639 --> 01:27:41,840
to the deeds and declaration of

1608
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:44,480
covenants uh tied to subdivisions as

1609
01:27:44,480 --> 01:27:47,280
applicable.

1610
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:51,600
Um why can't I move this? Okay. Um the

1611
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:53,760
just brief background, you guys know

1612
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:55,120
this, you guys have lived it for the

1613
01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:57,280
last several years and my apologies in

1614
01:27:57,280 --> 01:27:59,840
advance if it's uh repetitious. Uh but

1615
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:03,360
I'm also thinking of the um uh viewing

1616
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:06,560
public. Uh so the purpose uh it's the

1617
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:08,400
addressing the lasting impacts of

1618
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:10,320
historic racial inequities. Uh

1619
01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:11,840
acknowledge the harm caused by

1620
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:13,920
discriminatory practices embedded in

1621
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:17,760
property records and affirming uh

1622
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:19,360
affirms that local government has

1623
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:21,360
significant roles uh confront its

1624
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:24,719
history and advance equity. The approach

1625
01:28:24,719 --> 01:28:27,280
is by exercising enabling state

1626
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:29,520
legislation to remove unlawful

1627
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:31,040
discriminatory language from deeds and

1628
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:34,639
declaration of covenants. Um by engaging

1629
01:28:34,639 --> 01:28:37,280
a third party uh to conduct the

1630
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:39,280
necessary review uh research,

1631
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:41,520
documentation and modification uh

1632
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:43,120
process to remove the unlawful

1633
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:45,280
discriminatory language. Uh the

1634
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:47,840
deliverable is uh amended deeds and

1635
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:49,360
declaration of covenants covering

1636
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:52,239
approximately 1,200 units uh that have

1637
01:28:52,239 --> 01:28:54,000
been identified. um containing this

1638
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:56,880
offensive language and uh an amended

1639
01:28:56,880 --> 01:28:59,520
document posted in public record tied to

1640
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:02,159
each property.

1641
01:29:02,159 --> 01:29:05,920
Um again I my apologies in advance if

1642
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:08,800
this is elementary um but uh just

1643
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:11,199
historical context uh deed is one of the

1644
01:29:11,199 --> 01:29:12,960
most important documents associated with

1645
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:14,880
real property as it serves as the

1646
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:17,040
instrument that transfers ownership from

1647
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:20,560
one party to another. Um for example in

1648
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:24,239
sales uh transaction uh deeds contain

1649
01:29:24,239 --> 01:29:27,120
restrictive uh language um exclusionary

1650
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:30,000
language that run with the land uh

1651
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:31,760
meaning that they continue to apply even

1652
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:34,159
after the property is sold. Um such

1653
01:29:34,159 --> 01:29:36,719
restrictions um such as declaration of

1654
01:29:36,719 --> 01:29:38,400
covenants which are typically at the

1655
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:40,719
subdivision level can include uh

1656
01:29:40,719 --> 01:29:43,280
easement granting um others the right to

1657
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:45,040
use part of the property dedication of

1658
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:47,760
public uh purpose public way and or

1659
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:50,639
conditions or reservation by the grtor

1660
01:29:50,639 --> 01:29:54,560
the seller. Um, this was exclusionary

1661
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:56,560
language that was uh designed to keep

1662
01:29:56,560 --> 01:29:59,520
people of color and others based on the

1663
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:02,400
basis of religious uh and ethnicity out

1664
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:04,800
of certain communities. Um, unlawful

1665
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:06,719
restrictive languages were common

1666
01:30:06,719 --> 01:30:08,719
throughout the United States and the

1667
01:30:08,719 --> 01:30:12,719
early 20th century. Um, while the

1668
01:30:12,719 --> 01:30:14,400
unlawful discriminatory language were

1669
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:18,719
ruled illegal and uninforceable in 1948,

1670
01:30:18,719 --> 01:30:20,400
some properties still include

1671
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:22,480
discriminator discriminatory language in

1672
01:30:22,480 --> 01:30:24,400
their historic records at the property

1673
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:28,800
level or the subdivision or both.

1674
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:31,760
Uh, just again background some state and

1675
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:34,639
city actions to date. uh effective

1676
01:30:34,639 --> 01:30:37,360
October 2025th, the state of Maryland uh

1677
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:39,760
streamlined the process of removing

1678
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:41,440
unlawful discriminatory language by

1679
01:30:41,440 --> 01:30:43,600
allowing counties and municipalities to

1680
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:46,080
do it themselves. Before property owners

1681
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:49,679
could do it um um and you'd have to get

1682
01:30:49,679 --> 01:30:51,520
their signatures. It was a bit more

1683
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:54,159
cumbersome. Uh this made it easier for

1684
01:30:54,159 --> 01:30:56,480
uh communities like Tacoma Park to um

1685
01:30:56,480 --> 01:31:03,760
take up the project uh on their own. Um counties and municipalities have to

1686
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:06,159
provide uh public notice. Uh this was

1687
01:31:06,159 --> 01:31:09,760
also a change. Um before before the

1688
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:11,920
change, uh properties uh I'm sorry,

1689
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:15,679
communities had to uh identify and find

1690
01:31:15,679 --> 01:31:17,920
each property owner uh property of

1691
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:21,280
record uh owner of record. Um so that

1692
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:23,440
was really cumbersome and and

1693
01:31:23,440 --> 01:31:26,639
significant amount of work. So this uh

1694
01:31:26,639 --> 01:31:31,600
change allowed cities to publish um four

1695
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:34,400
uh four newspaper articles um basically

1696
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:37,360
notification legal notice um four weeks

1697
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:40,159
in a paper and local newspaper of

1698
01:31:40,159 --> 01:31:42,719
general circulation. Uh property owners

1699
01:31:42,719 --> 01:31:46,719
then have 30 days uh before the um

1700
01:31:46,719 --> 01:31:48,639
submission of the modification to

1701
01:31:48,639 --> 01:31:50,239
decline.

1702
01:31:50,239 --> 01:31:53,520
um Tacoma Park in 2024 adopted uh

1703
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:56,880
resolution 24 202440

1704
01:31:56,880 --> 01:32:00,000
and the language in quotes is uh an

1705
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:01,840
exact lift. It's verbatim from the

1706
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:04,960
resolution which says um reaffirming

1707
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:07,120
that restrictive uh covenants are

1708
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:09,360
illegal and commits to take steps to

1709
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:10,960
taking steps to address the city's

1710
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:13,440
history of racism by the expeditious

1711
01:32:13,440 --> 01:32:15,600
removal of unlawful restrictive

1712
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:17,440
covenants from deeds associated with the

1713
01:32:17,440 --> 01:32:19,199
residential properties within the city

1714
01:32:19,199 --> 01:32:22,800
limits. Um another action the city took

1715
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:26,159
was uh adopted a uh approved a budget of

1716
01:32:26,159 --> 01:32:29,840
90,000 that we just discussed in FY26.

1717
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:33,600
Um, and then just this past year in FY

1718
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:37,040
for FY27, the council approved another

1719
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:41,600
55 uh,000 to help pay for legal cost and

1720
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:45,040
allocating a total of $145,000

1721
01:32:45,040 --> 01:32:48,639
for the project. Um, just a very high

1722
01:32:48,639 --> 01:32:52,400
level uh scope of work. Uh, the scope of

1723
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:55,440
work consists of primary two components.

1724
01:32:55,440 --> 01:32:57,840
One is the public notification and the

1725
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:00,239
other is the deeds and declaration of

1726
01:33:00,239 --> 01:33:02,080
covenants uh declaration of restrictive

1727
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:04,639
covenants modification. Um the

1728
01:33:04,639 --> 01:33:07,679
modification component includes um five

1729
01:33:07,679 --> 01:33:10,400
subcomponents which is identifying the

1730
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:13,520
impacted properties identifying the uh

1731
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:16,560
restrictive uh covenants

1732
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:18,800
or the deeds um containing uh the

1733
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:21,360
unlawful language. amend the deeds and

1734
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:23,440
the declaration of covenants uh

1735
01:33:23,440 --> 01:33:25,120
restrictive covenants as applicable by

1736
01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:26,960
striking through the unlawful

1737
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:29,120
restrictive language in those documents.

1738
01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:30,880
And then it's completing the form. It's

1739
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:34,239
the intake form uh CC-087

1740
01:33:34,239 --> 01:33:36,400
and submitting the modification package

1741
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:38,880
which includes the original document um

1742
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:40,560
the amended document which is like the

1743
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:42,560
strike through and then the completed

1744
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:47,040
form uh to the county's um uh attorney's

1745
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:49,440
office uh for final review and

1746
01:33:49,440 --> 01:33:52,639
execution. And then once the county

1747
01:33:52,639 --> 01:33:55,760
attorney approves it, uh they they then

1748
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:58,639
submit it to the um to the McGomery

1749
01:33:58,639 --> 01:34:00,719
County Land Records which is within the

1750
01:34:00,719 --> 01:34:03,840
circuit court to uh um for for

1751
01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:06,560
recording.

1752
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:09,199
Um this is just an example uh this is a

1753
01:34:09,199 --> 01:34:11,280
great suggestion uh that we received

1754
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:14,000
during the briefings. Um an example of

1755
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:16,000
what a correction or modification looks

1756
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:19,440
like. So, uh, this is an example of a

1757
01:34:19,440 --> 01:34:22,800
deed. Um, and so the struck language.

1758
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:26,320
Um, you can read it, but it's, um, so

1759
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:27,520
this is what it would look like. It's

1760
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:30,560
not a new language. It's literally

1761
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:33,520
striking the language, uh, that is, um,

1762
01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:37,199
that is, uh, unlawful. Um, if there was

1763
01:34:37,199 --> 01:34:40,320
to be an overstrike, uh, it would just

1764
01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:46,070
be deemed um, null and void anyway.

1765
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:49,120
Um, next slide. The approach, costs, and

1766
01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:52,320
timeline. Uh, the implementation work

1767
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:53,600
would be assigned to a qualified

1768
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:56,080
thirdparty entity selected by the city

1769
01:34:56,080 --> 01:34:58,320
uh upon mayor and council approval to

1770
01:34:58,320 --> 01:34:59,760
conduct the necessary review,

1771
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:02,320
documentation, and modification process.

1772
01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:04,480
Um, staff reached out to title

1773
01:35:04,480 --> 01:35:07,120
companies, law firms, and uh, Historic

1774
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:09,520
Tacoma, a local volunteer historic

1775
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:11,360
preservation organization, as potential

1776
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:12,960
entities who may be assigned the

1777
01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:15,280
projects. We did learn that title

1778
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:17,360
companies do not provide the service and

1779
01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:20,719
in fact they typically outsource the um

1780
01:35:20,719 --> 01:35:24,560
this type of uh deed modifications. Um

1781
01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:26,480
and through the title companies we

1782
01:35:26,480 --> 01:35:29,199
received um recommendations of the two

1783
01:35:29,199 --> 01:35:32,880
law firms. Um the cost uh based on our

1784
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:36,080
research ranges from $42,000 to over

1785
01:35:36,080 --> 01:35:38,400
half a million depending on various

1786
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:41,280
factors um including the uh entity

1787
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:43,679
selection complexity, the city's uh risk

1788
01:35:43,679 --> 01:35:45,440
tolerance and other related

1789
01:35:45,440 --> 01:35:48,960
considerations. Um if the council was to

1790
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:52,560
direct us to move forward um the the

1791
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:56,480
work would commence uh in early 2027

1792
01:35:56,480 --> 01:35:58,960
with an anticipated completion period of

1793
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:02,480
24 to 36 months potentially longer uh

1794
01:36:02,480 --> 01:36:06,000
again depending on on various factors.

1795
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:09,120
So we go back again to those decision um

1796
01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:11,840
uh points that we discussed earlier. Um

1797
01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:15,040
so again the uh interpretation of the

1798
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:18,880
resolution 2020 2022 24-40

1799
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:22,480
uh staff recommends moving forward uh

1800
01:36:22,480 --> 01:36:24,400
with removing the language from all

1801
01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:26,880
identified deeds and declarations of um

1802
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:28,639
containing such language and this would

1803
01:36:28,639 --> 01:36:31,520
cover about 1,200 could be less could be

1804
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:34,480
more but about 1,200 units which is what

1805
01:36:34,480 --> 01:36:36,320
um we have been discussing for the last

1806
01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:38,960
several years. Um, again, the idea here

1807
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:43,600
would be it wouldn't be all um it

1808
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:47,040
wouldn't be all deeds. Um, a deed can um

1809
01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:49,360
a property can be sold and resold a

1810
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:51,840
number of times and sometimes the same

1811
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:54,880
language can be carried over into uh

1812
01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:58,080
into a new deed and sometimes not. But

1813
01:36:58,080 --> 01:36:59,920
what this would do by just going to all

1814
01:36:59,920 --> 01:37:03,280
the identified deeds is that it would

1815
01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:04,960
each of those properties would have at

1816
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:08,000
least um a recorded document that

1817
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:11,520
strikes the the language. Um

1818
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:13,600
notification options uh it's the

1819
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:16,560
Washington Post or the Daily Record. Um

1820
01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:19,600
in the staff report we discussed uh we

1821
01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:21,840
reached out to the banner who's uh they

1822
01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:23,679
only have an online version. We also

1823
01:37:23,679 --> 01:37:26,000
looked at Washington Examiner. Um the

1824
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:27,360
Washington Examiner wasn't that much

1825
01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:30,159
cheaper than Washington Post. Um so

1826
01:37:30,159 --> 01:37:32,080
staff recommends moving forward with the

1827
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:35,040
daily record and in addition we would do

1828
01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:38,480
more outreach. Um uh a council member

1829
01:37:38,480 --> 01:37:41,199
recommended um in one of our one-on ones

1830
01:37:41,199 --> 01:37:43,840
um uh reaching out in addition to what

1831
01:37:43,840 --> 01:37:46,080
we've said we would do, reaching out to

1832
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:48,400
the title companies that are local to

1833
01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:50,639
this area so that they're aware of this

1834
01:37:50,639 --> 01:37:53,440
also. Um and so we would we we would do

1835
01:37:53,440 --> 01:37:56,960
that as well. And then the third um the

1836
01:37:56,960 --> 01:38:00,719
third uh decision point is uh who to

1837
01:38:00,719 --> 01:38:02,639
assign the project to. Uh staff

1838
01:38:02,639 --> 01:38:03,840
recommends assigning the project to

1839
01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:06,080
Historic Tacoma. Uh Historic Tacoma has

1840
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:07,520
done a significant amount of work on

1841
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:12,320
this. Um it's a it's a local uh

1842
01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:15,199
volunteer-driven organization, vested

1843
01:38:15,199 --> 01:38:20,159
interest. Um and they're um much cheaper

1844
01:38:20,159 --> 01:38:23,600
uh compared to the law firms. And with

1845
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:25,920
that I turn it over oh one more thing

1846
01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:28,000
sorry next steps are council should

1847
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:29,760
provide us uh direction on the following

1848
01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:32,159
the three decision points the attached

1849
01:38:32,159 --> 01:38:35,679
resolution um and then the next step

1850
01:38:35,679 --> 01:38:37,679
will be uh staff will bring a final

1851
01:38:37,679 --> 01:38:39,958
resolution for council consideration at

1852
01:38:39,958 --> 01:38:41,679
[music] the next meeting which is July

1853
01:38:41,679 --> 01:38:44,400
29th. So with that I turn it over to the

1854
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:45,679
mayor.

1855
01:38:45,679 --> 01:38:48,239
>> Thank you very much. Um can you go back

1856
01:38:48,239 --> 01:38:54,470
to the decision point slide?

1857
01:38:54,480 --> 01:38:58,080
Um, so, uh, I just want to make sure,

1858
01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:00,719
um, that everyone's clear in in terms of

1859
01:39:00,719 --> 01:39:04,080
the distinction of the all deeds versus

1860
01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:08,400
the all identified deeds. Um, and so I

1861
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:10,480
just want to make sure that we're clear

1862
01:39:10,480 --> 01:39:14,560
that we're talking about um, the most

1863
01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:16,880
recent deed of record where the

1864
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:18,159
information exists or are we talking

1865
01:39:18,159 --> 01:39:20,080
about doing a retroactive like all the

1866
01:39:20,080 --> 01:39:33,830
way back? Come on up, Jim.

1867
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:35,520
» Hit it one more time.

1868
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:36,239
>> There you go.

1869
01:39:36,239 --> 01:39:38,320
>> It was already on. Okay. Um, so Jim

1870
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:40,480
Douglas from Historic Tacoma. Uh, just a

1871
01:39:40,480 --> 01:39:45,040
little bit of a clarification and and I guess the last time I was here it was

1872
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:47,600
a prior council. So almost two years

1873
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:49,760
later, we're we're making some progress.

1874
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:51,600
Um,

1875
01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:54,719
so as uh the deputy city manager and I

1876
01:39:54,719 --> 01:39:56,080
have been talking about this over the

1877
01:39:56,080 --> 01:39:57,440
last several months and working through

1878
01:39:57,440 --> 01:39:59,360
some of the complexities and and finer

1879
01:39:59,360 --> 01:40:01,199
points, one of the issues that came up

1880
01:40:01,199 --> 01:40:05,760
is um what it what the all deeds term

1881
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:09,600
means. And so just to to slightly modify

1882
01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:13,119
what um the deputy city manager said,

1883
01:40:13,119 --> 01:40:16,480
when we did the initial research, we did

1884
01:40:16,480 --> 01:40:19,679
not look at every single property in the

1885
01:40:19,679 --> 01:40:22,480
city of Tacoma Park. We looked at the

1886
01:40:22,480 --> 01:40:25,040
properties where covenants are likely.

1887
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:27,520
And just a a quick sort of historical

1888
01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:31,679
note, this uh idea of restrictive

1889
01:40:31,679 --> 01:40:34,560
covenants emerged in the early 20th

1890
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:36,960
century. interestingly enough in

1891
01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:40,080
Minneapolis and Chicago and Boston not

1892
01:40:40,080 --> 01:40:41,920
in other cities where you might expect

1893
01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:44,960
it and it was driven by the real estate

1894
01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:47,040
industry and driven in sort of the

1895
01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:49,760
development process. So the the typical

1896
01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:53,119
way the covenants were imposed was

1897
01:40:53,119 --> 01:40:57,280
through um subdivisions, reubdivisions,

1898
01:40:57,280 --> 01:40:59,119
development projects and so on in which

1899
01:40:59,119 --> 01:41:01,440
they put either on individual lots or

1900
01:41:01,440 --> 01:41:03,520
often on the whole subdivision a

1901
01:41:03,520 --> 01:41:06,480
restrictive covenant. So the work that

1902
01:41:06,480 --> 01:41:08,239
Montgomery County Historic Preservation

1903
01:41:08,239 --> 01:41:09,840
Office started a few years ago on their

1904
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:12,320
mapping segregation project started by

1905
01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:14,159
looking at subdivisions in Montgomery

1906
01:41:14,159 --> 01:41:16,480
and down Montgomery County and then we

1907
01:41:16,480 --> 01:41:18,400
followed up on that work and so our work

1908
01:41:18,400 --> 01:41:22,239
was focused on looking at subdivisions

1909
01:41:22,239 --> 01:41:24,080
and looking at those subdivisions that

1910
01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:25,920
occurred in the time frame that we are

1911
01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:28,159
interested in which is early 20th

1912
01:41:28,159 --> 01:41:30,400
century through mid 20th century. So

1913
01:41:30,400 --> 01:41:31,600
those are the properties we looked at.

1914
01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:34,400
So when we use the language in um in

1915
01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:36,719
these documents here about identified

1916
01:41:36,719 --> 01:41:38,639
ones, we're looking at those where

1917
01:41:38,639 --> 01:41:40,080
there's the highest likelihood as

1918
01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:42,080
opposed to going to some of the other

1919
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:44,320
parts of the city where it's extremely

1920
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:47,040
unlikely that there would be a covenant.

1921
01:41:47,040 --> 01:41:49,440
It's technically possible that somebody

1922
01:41:49,440 --> 01:41:51,760
somewhere along the line could have put

1923
01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:54,159
a one by one covenant on it. That would

1924
01:41:54,159 --> 01:41:56,480
be an extremely tedious and probably not

1925
01:41:56,480 --> 01:41:58,880
very productive set of work. So we have

1926
01:41:58,880 --> 01:42:02,080
I think the 1,200 or so depending on our

1927
01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:06,239
final count is where the the high

1928
01:42:06,239 --> 01:42:08,320
likelihood locations are because of the

1929
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:11,280
time frames in which um the subdivisions

1930
01:42:11,280 --> 01:42:12,639
are created and that use of the

1931
01:42:12,639 --> 01:42:16,480
subdivision as the mechanism for inst um

1932
01:42:16,480 --> 01:42:18,159
creating the covenant as opposed to

1933
01:42:18,159 --> 01:42:20,159
individual property owners one by one.

1934
01:42:20,159 --> 01:42:24,880
So, um, that's that's kind of the, um,

1935
01:42:24,880 --> 01:42:26,719
when the deputy city manager brought to

1936
01:42:26,719 --> 01:42:28,480
my attention recently the sort of all

1937
01:42:28,480 --> 01:42:30,239
deeds and thinking that we were looking

1938
01:42:30,239 --> 01:42:31,760
at that we didn't want to leave the

1939
01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:33,360
impression that we've looked at every

1940
01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:35,920
single property in the city of Tacoma

1941
01:42:35,920 --> 01:42:37,679
Park. We've looked at those where

1942
01:42:37,679 --> 01:42:39,280
there's the highest probability that

1943
01:42:39,280 --> 01:42:41,679
there are problems and issues.

1944
01:42:41,679 --> 01:42:44,000
And and so um I [clears throat] feel

1945
01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:47,679
like this is a loop dloop because one of

1946
01:42:47,679 --> 01:42:50,080
the first approaches I thought of to

1947
01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:53,119
address this I said well why don't we

1948
01:42:53,119 --> 01:42:56,719
just ban these in the city and force

1949
01:42:56,719 --> 01:42:59,360
people at the point of sale to remove

1950
01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:00,880
the title company to remove the

1951
01:43:00,880 --> 01:43:02,159
information. I mean you're already

1952
01:43:02,159 --> 01:43:04,000
signing your life away when you buy a

1953
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:05,360
house in Tacoma Park. They're promising

1954
01:43:05,360 --> 01:43:07,280
to never cut down a tree or promising to

1955
01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:10,239
do a lot. So

1956
01:43:10,239 --> 01:43:12,560
why not just

1957
01:43:12,560 --> 01:43:13,840
there's nothing wrong with it but I'm

1958
01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:15,440
just saying we have a lot of stuff that

1959
01:43:15,440 --> 01:43:17,679
we require people at point of sale and

1960
01:43:17,679 --> 01:43:22,880
so that is unique to us. So

1961
01:43:22,880 --> 01:43:27,199
if if the desire was to say okay we want

1962
01:43:27,199 --> 01:43:30,560
to we've gone down the path of education

1963
01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:32,746
not really not really fruitful.

1964
01:43:32,746 --> 01:43:33,280
[laughter]

1965
01:43:33,280 --> 01:43:35,760
Um, we don't want to necessarily want to

1966
01:43:35,760 --> 01:43:38,320
wait until everyone kind of these

1967
01:43:38,320 --> 01:43:39,600
properties change hands because that

1968
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:42,080
could be 20, 30 years. We want to target

1969
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:43,920
these properties that we already know

1970
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:46,080
may likely have it. So, that makes

1971
01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:49,040
sense. But if we eventually as a council

1972
01:43:49,040 --> 01:43:51,119
wanted to say, you know, we really do

1973
01:43:51,119 --> 01:43:53,440
want all deeds. So maybe we have this

1974
01:43:53,440 --> 01:43:56,239
slower burn in place for those

1975
01:43:56,239 --> 01:43:57,840
properties that were outside of the

1976
01:43:57,840 --> 01:44:00,080
scope and and the likelihood of what you

1977
01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:03,280
all were considering, but over time if

1978
01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:06,080
they just so happened to be there at the

1979
01:44:06,080 --> 01:44:07,760
point of sale, that language could be

1980
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:09,920
removed. So that would be a slower burn,

1981
01:44:09,920 --> 01:44:13,119
probably be be pretty cheap to do, but

1982
01:44:13,119 --> 01:44:15,040
it would allow us to still say all

1983
01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:17,520
deeds. It's just we're not addressing

1984
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:19,600
the high likelihood ones over time.

1985
01:44:19,600 --> 01:44:21,280
We're we're rushing to address those

1986
01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:25,199
now. So, I I think um the issue with

1987
01:44:25,199 --> 01:44:28,560
that is that when

1988
01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:31,360
um a title search is done and when when

1989
01:44:31,360 --> 01:44:33,840
people go back and I'm I'm no expert as

1990
01:44:33,840 --> 01:44:35,520
you know a title company, but my

1991
01:44:35,520 --> 01:44:37,679
understanding is when they're looking

1992
01:44:37,679 --> 01:44:39,440
when they're doing a title search on

1993
01:44:39,440 --> 01:44:40,800
sale of a property, they're not going

1994
01:44:40,800 --> 01:44:42,800
back to the beginning. They're going

1995
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:45,280
back, I don't know, 30 or 40 years or

1996
01:44:45,280 --> 01:44:49,119
something like that. Um, and so as as

1997
01:44:49,119 --> 01:44:52,639
the staff report points out, these

1998
01:44:52,639 --> 01:44:55,440
covenants ride with the property. So

1999
01:44:55,440 --> 01:44:58,639
your deed today will say subject to

2000
01:44:58,639 --> 01:45:00,719
existing restrictions and covenants.

2001
01:45:00,719 --> 01:45:03,360
Okay? Every deed says that it's a cut

2002
01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:05,920
catchall term that says if sometime in

2003
01:45:05,920 --> 01:45:08,320
the past some restriction was put on

2004
01:45:08,320 --> 01:45:10,639
this property, a racial covenant, a

2005
01:45:10,639 --> 01:45:13,760
driveway easement, a WSSC right away,

2006
01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:16,560
anything like that. It's not necessarily

2007
01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:18,719
and usually is never repeated in

2008
01:45:18,719 --> 01:45:21,040
subsequent deeds. It's covered in this

2009
01:45:21,040 --> 01:45:24,480
catchall language in um in current deeds

2010
01:45:24,480 --> 01:45:27,280
that says subject to any ones any rest

2011
01:45:27,280 --> 01:45:29,600
issue uh covenants or restrictions that

2012
01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:32,239
exist in the past. So our work had to go

2013
01:45:32,239 --> 01:45:34,719
back to the beginning on each one of

2014
01:45:34,719 --> 01:45:36,800
these to find those because if you look

2015
01:45:36,800 --> 01:45:38,880
at the current deed on anybody you won't

2016
01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:40,480
you all you will see is that catch all

2017
01:45:40,480 --> 01:45:44,400
language. So I think um it's from a

2018
01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:47,600
practical standpoint if uh if you know

2019
01:45:47,600 --> 01:45:50,239
we where I am up on Maple Avenue out in

2020
01:45:50,239 --> 01:45:53,040
the original BF Gilbert subdivision um

2021
01:45:53,040 --> 01:45:55,520
which was not which was done way before

2022
01:45:55,520 --> 01:45:57,920
any of this covenant stuff happened um

2023
01:45:57,920 --> 01:46:01,360
if that property sold you would never

2024
01:46:01,360 --> 01:46:03,199
unless somebody was really diligent

2025
01:46:03,199 --> 01:46:05,840
about going back to the first deed that

2026
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:07,840
from BF Gilbert to the first buyer and

2027
01:46:07,840 --> 01:46:09,760
then following every deed forward they

2028
01:46:09,760 --> 01:46:12,000
would never see that and that and and

2029
01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:14,159
the likelihood of it being there is

2030
01:46:14,159 --> 01:46:17,440
infantessimal because people didn't do

2031
01:46:17,440 --> 01:46:19,760
that as vind people didn't impose these

2032
01:46:19,760 --> 01:46:22,000
covenants as individuals. The covenants

2033
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:26,880
were imposed by developers. So um

2034
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:29,679
>> I think just to comment mayor on on the

2035
01:46:29,679 --> 01:46:31,920
point that we discussed uh a couple

2036
01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:34,560
years ago about doing removing them at

2037
01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:38,080
time of sale. I think the a practical

2038
01:46:38,080 --> 01:46:39,760
problem with that is how do you enforce

2039
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:43,280
that? We we could publish a a register

2040
01:46:43,280 --> 01:46:45,119
here's all the places we know of of

2041
01:46:45,119 --> 01:46:46,880
covenants, but then it would be

2042
01:46:46,880 --> 01:46:48,719
incumbent upon

2043
01:46:48,719 --> 01:46:50,800
>> the real estate agents, the real estate

2044
01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:52,880
attorneys and so on to pay attention to

2045
01:46:52,880 --> 01:46:55,520
that. And if they didn't, what what do

2046
01:46:55,520 --> 01:46:58,159
you do about that? So, I think um

2047
01:46:58,159 --> 01:47:00,400
accomplishing the goals that that the

2048
01:47:00,400 --> 01:47:03,199
staff report laid out in terms of making

2049
01:47:03,199 --> 01:47:05,440
a community commitment to racial equity

2050
01:47:05,440 --> 01:47:07,280
and and addressing the wrongs of the

2051
01:47:07,280 --> 01:47:09,600
past is really fundamentally best done

2052
01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:13,920
by by the city saying let's let's

2053
01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:15,679
acknowledge the past and let's deal with

2054
01:47:15,679 --> 01:47:17,440
that rather than having it bits and

2055
01:47:17,440 --> 01:47:18,800
pieces. So,

2056
01:47:18,800 --> 01:47:20,400
>> thank you. Thank thank you for that. Oh,

2057
01:47:20,400 --> 01:47:20,960
go right ahead.

2058
01:47:20,960 --> 01:47:22,480
>> I was just going to say that enforcement

2059
01:47:22,480 --> 01:47:24,480
would be the the hardest part of of

2060
01:47:24,480 --> 01:47:26,400
doing the point of sale. uh we would be

2061
01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:28,960
relying on people doing what they should

2062
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:32,239
be doing. And as Jim pointed out,

2063
01:47:32,239 --> 01:47:33,760
you know, they're they're doing these

2064
01:47:33,760 --> 01:47:35,280
and they're not the likelihood of them

2065
01:47:35,280 --> 01:47:39,520
going back to previous um uh records

2066
01:47:39,520 --> 01:47:41,360
would they just don't have a vested

2067
01:47:41,360 --> 01:47:43,520
interest in doing it.

2068
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:47,679
So, so in theory what we we would be

2069
01:47:47,679 --> 01:47:50,080
talking about is

2070
01:47:50,080 --> 01:47:57,030
all identified deeds based on

2071
01:47:57,040 --> 01:48:00,400
information provided from the county.

2072
01:48:00,400 --> 01:48:02,639
>> Well, basically the the the research

2073
01:48:02,639 --> 01:48:04,320
work we that we've done over the last

2074
01:48:04,320 --> 01:48:06,880
few years to find where where the

2075
01:48:06,880 --> 01:48:08,800
highest probability are and again it's

2076
01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:10,320
these

2077
01:48:10,320 --> 01:48:12,159
just a little bit more detail. So

2078
01:48:12,159 --> 01:48:14,000
started looking at subdivisions and then

2079
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:15,760
you pick up a few names. So there's a

2080
01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:19,760
couple people um whose names appeared.

2081
01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:22,880
They were did they did small um sales.

2082
01:48:22,880 --> 01:48:24,560
They maybe subdivided a couple

2083
01:48:24,560 --> 01:48:27,679
properties and and when they did that

2084
01:48:27,679 --> 01:48:30,480
they um put a covenant on. So then I

2085
01:48:30,480 --> 01:48:32,560
took those names and said, "Well, I want

2086
01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:34,800
if they did it there, maybe they did it

2087
01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:37,040
someplace else." So I I checked all of

2088
01:48:37,040 --> 01:48:40,600
the work that they did. So um that's how

2089
01:48:40,600 --> 01:48:42,639
[clears throat] we you know find a few

2090
01:48:42,639 --> 01:48:46,159
odds and ends but but um it's really

2091
01:48:46,159 --> 01:48:49,360
these you know largecale property

2092
01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:51,440
transactions that were done. So

2093
01:48:51,440 --> 01:48:58,880
>> yeah, thank you for that. And and the risk I know that um you explained

2094
01:48:58,880 --> 01:49:01,360
the cost differential but also

2095
01:49:01,360 --> 01:49:04,960
highlighted um the risk associated with

2096
01:49:04,960 --> 01:49:07,840
the um varying approaches of

2097
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:10,000
implementation from historic Tacoma

2098
01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:13,360
versus an outside legal firm. Can you

2099
01:49:13,360 --> 01:49:15,920
explain what some of those legal risks

2100
01:49:15,920 --> 01:49:18,639
are and what has been done to mitigate

2101
01:49:18,639 --> 01:49:20,719
them with the recommendation that you

2102
01:49:20,719 --> 01:49:23,440
are proposing with historic Tacoma?

2103
01:49:23,440 --> 01:49:25,600
>> Sure. So there there are a couple of

2104
01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:29,070
risks. One is um again you know not

2105
01:49:29,070 --> 01:49:31,679
[music] having identified all the um

2106
01:49:31,679 --> 01:49:33,920
properties with with the restrictions

2107
01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:36,159
but again I think Jim just explained the

2108
01:49:36,159 --> 01:49:38,080
approach. The other risk is the

2109
01:49:38,080 --> 01:49:39,920
potential for overstriking. So

2110
01:49:39,920 --> 01:49:41,440
overcorrecting

2111
01:49:41,440 --> 01:49:44,000
um in which case if that were to happen

2112
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:45,600
it could potentially it doesn't

2113
01:49:45,600 --> 01:49:47,600
necessarily challenge the underlying

2114
01:49:47,600 --> 01:49:49,920
ownership or transfer of ownership uh

2115
01:49:49,920 --> 01:49:53,440
but it would it could delay somebody

2116
01:49:53,440 --> 01:49:55,199
from selling their unit because somebody

2117
01:49:55,199 --> 01:49:57,040
has to clarify that oh they didn't mean

2118
01:49:57,040 --> 01:50:00,080
to um to strike out this language. So

2119
01:50:00,080 --> 01:50:05,520
that's where that risk would be. Um so

2120
01:50:05,520 --> 01:50:08,400
if if uh historic Tacoma is to uh be

2121
01:50:08,400 --> 01:50:10,800
assigned this uh this project um

2122
01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:14,080
historic Tacoma has or will be procuring

2123
01:50:14,080 --> 01:50:17,600
um indemnification uh insurance coverage

2124
01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:20,880
um it's not indefinite um it has a term

2125
01:50:20,880 --> 01:50:23,760
um but that's how we we're um we're

2126
01:50:23,760 --> 01:50:26,960
proposing to uh mitigate

2127
01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:35,590
>> and so um and what is the term?

2128
01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:37,840
Uh, so we looked and then when the when

2129
01:50:37,840 --> 01:50:40,639
staff asked us, you know, what we what

2130
01:50:40,639 --> 01:50:42,080
coverage we have and what coverage we

2131
01:50:42,080 --> 01:50:44,800
could get, we talked to our, um, our

2132
01:50:44,800 --> 01:50:46,960
broker. So, we can get something that's

2133
01:50:46,960 --> 01:50:50,400
called Arizona missions coverage, um,

2134
01:50:50,400 --> 01:50:52,639
which is over and above our regular

2135
01:50:52,639 --> 01:50:54,320
directors and officers liability

2136
01:50:54,320 --> 01:50:57,199
coverage. and that covers um there's an

2137
01:50:57,199 --> 01:51:00,639
annual performance period. So my

2138
01:51:00,639 --> 01:51:06,159
understanding is that some there's a period under which from an act

2139
01:51:06,159 --> 01:51:08,239
from from the time the incorrect action

2140
01:51:08,239 --> 01:51:11,679
was taken there's a a limited period of

2141
01:51:11,679 --> 01:51:13,360
seven or eight years or something. I

2142
01:51:13,360 --> 01:51:15,280
don't know the exact number in which

2143
01:51:15,280 --> 01:51:17,360
somebody can challenge that. Okay. It's

2144
01:51:17,360 --> 01:51:19,040
sort of a statute of limitations type

2145
01:51:19,040 --> 01:51:22,800
thing. So, uh what what we can do is we

2146
01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:25,520
can get coverage for the period of

2147
01:51:25,520 --> 01:51:27,840
performance while we're doing the work,

2148
01:51:27,840 --> 01:51:31,040
which um ought to be far less than the

2149
01:51:31,040 --> 01:51:33,360
time that's in in here, but we don't,

2150
01:51:33,360 --> 01:51:34,960
you know, we don't know exactly what

2151
01:51:34,960 --> 01:51:37,440
we're going to find. So we and then we

2152
01:51:37,440 --> 01:51:39,520
can buy what's called tail coverage

2153
01:51:39,520 --> 01:51:42,000
which then has at a a somewhat reduced

2154
01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:45,599
rate for uh a few more years after that

2155
01:51:45,599 --> 01:51:48,400
continues to keep us covered which I I

2156
01:51:48,400 --> 01:51:52,400
don't think takes us to that full um

2157
01:51:52,400 --> 01:51:54,159
period in which somebody could could

2158
01:51:54,159 --> 01:51:57,040
challenge us but it it comes very close.

2159
01:51:57,040 --> 01:51:59,840
Um, and I think I I mean I understand

2160
01:51:59,840 --> 01:52:02,000
the concerns that have been raised in

2161
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:04,800
the discussions over the last year about

2162
01:52:04,800 --> 01:52:07,119
um about this. I personally think that

2163
01:52:07,119 --> 01:52:08,639
it's a pretty straightforward process

2164
01:52:08,639 --> 01:52:11,199
and the chances of errors being made are

2165
01:52:11,199 --> 01:52:14,719
pretty limited and I think wasn't wasn't

2166
01:52:14,719 --> 01:52:16,400
built into the presentation just now,

2167
01:52:16,400 --> 01:52:18,800
but there's going to be some oversight

2168
01:52:18,800 --> 01:52:22,719
of the work that we would do um to you

2169
01:52:22,719 --> 01:52:24,960
know sort of spot check and so on to

2170
01:52:24,960 --> 01:52:27,280
make sure that our work is um is

2171
01:52:27,280 --> 01:52:29,440
correct. So I think I think we're doing

2172
01:52:29,440 --> 01:52:33,199
a reasonable job of um minimizing risk

2173
01:52:33,199 --> 01:52:36,159
for something that

2174
01:52:36,159 --> 01:52:38,239
you know these these covenants are not

2175
01:52:38,239 --> 01:52:40,719
enforceable anyway. And so we're we're

2176
01:52:40,719 --> 01:52:42,320
taking

2177
01:52:42,320 --> 01:52:47,119
what's largely a symbolic and um sort of

2178
01:52:47,119 --> 01:52:49,199
statement of of policy and perspective

2179
01:52:49,199 --> 01:52:52,239
rather than um actually modifying the

2180
01:52:52,239 --> 01:52:53,840
significant part of the deed. So I think

2181
01:52:53,840 --> 01:52:55,599
we're in good shape on that. But that's

2182
01:52:55,599 --> 01:52:58,480
the insurance that we would we would u

2183
01:52:58,480 --> 01:52:59,360
procure.

2184
01:52:59,360 --> 01:53:00,800
>> Great. Thank you very much. And

2185
01:53:00,800 --> 01:53:02,320
>> madam mayor, if I can just add one more

2186
01:53:02,320 --> 01:53:04,560
other thing. Um so uh part of the

2187
01:53:04,560 --> 01:53:08,560
$55,000 that you all approved um uh this

2188
01:53:08,560 --> 01:53:12,159
past uh budget season was to allow for

2189
01:53:12,159 --> 01:53:14,719
spot check um sample size review by

2190
01:53:14,719 --> 01:53:18,320
attorneys. Um so that's another built-in

2191
01:53:18,320 --> 01:53:22,960
um uh um I guess um built safety safety

2192
01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:24,480
valve. uh they wouldn't look at

2193
01:53:24,480 --> 01:53:25,760
everything, but they would look at at

2194
01:53:25,760 --> 01:53:28,239
sample. And this is the way that another

2195
01:53:28,239 --> 01:53:30,000
Maryland community, Washington Grove,

2196
01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:31,679
approached it. It was all

2197
01:53:31,679 --> 01:53:34,800
volunteer-driven. Uh they had their city

2198
01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:38,000
attorney do spot review. Um they have

2199
01:53:38,000 --> 01:53:40,560
much less unit count, but that's how

2200
01:53:40,560 --> 01:53:43,280
they approached it. Um so, and and

2201
01:53:43,280 --> 01:53:46,239
again, the the state uh statute, the law

2202
01:53:46,239 --> 01:53:49,440
says if if you struck more language than

2203
01:53:49,440 --> 01:53:51,760
you're supposed to, it's automatically

2204
01:53:51,760 --> 01:53:54,639
invalid. So,

2205
01:53:54,639 --> 01:53:55,119
>> okay.

2206
01:53:55,119 --> 01:53:57,360
>> If if I may, the your original question

2207
01:53:57,360 --> 01:54:00,320
was what's driving the cost difference.

2208
01:54:00,320 --> 01:54:03,520
I will say also we per the earlier

2209
01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:06,239
citizen comment, we're not charging

2210
01:54:06,239 --> 01:54:08,960
$2250 an hour. So, there's a there's a

2211
01:54:08,960 --> 01:54:10,960
big there's a big issue right [laughter]

2212
01:54:10,960 --> 01:54:12,560
there.

2213
01:54:12,560 --> 01:54:14,960
>> Great. Thank you very much, uh, Council

2214
01:54:14,960 --> 01:54:16,639
Member Lamouth.

2215
01:54:16,639 --> 01:54:20,639
Um I uh thank you very much for the all

2216
01:54:20,639 --> 01:54:23,920
the work that went into this and um I am

2217
01:54:23,920 --> 01:54:25,679
good with all the staff recommendations

2218
01:54:25,679 --> 01:54:29,040
myself. Um I just am want to flag in

2219
01:54:29,040 --> 01:54:31,199
discussing just now the potential risk.

2220
01:54:31,199 --> 01:54:32,880
The risk is not that we strike this

2221
01:54:32,880 --> 01:54:34,480
provision. It's that we accidentally

2222
01:54:34,480 --> 01:54:38,960
strike something that goes beyond the racial racially restrictive covenant

2223
01:54:38,960 --> 01:54:40,800
language. And you know, I know, for

2224
01:54:40,800 --> 01:54:42,639
example, in my own deed, which had one

2225
01:54:42,639 --> 01:54:45,840
of these uh in the subdivision, the same

2226
01:54:45,840 --> 01:54:47,679
um sentence that had the racially

2227
01:54:47,679 --> 01:54:49,280
restrictive covenant language also

2228
01:54:49,280 --> 01:54:52,320
forbade gambling and the use of of uh

2229
01:54:52,320 --> 01:54:54,560
drink on my property. So, I mean, it's

2230
01:54:54,560 --> 01:54:56,159
all within the same sentence. So, you

2231
01:54:56,159 --> 01:54:58,480
can see why um there is an issue there,

2232
01:54:58,480 --> 01:54:59,920
but it's not about the striking of the

2233
01:54:59,920 --> 01:55:01,440
covenant. It's about accidentally

2234
01:55:01,440 --> 01:55:03,199
striking something else. So, that

2235
01:55:03,199 --> 01:55:04,560
doesn't change my view that this is

2236
01:55:04,560 --> 01:55:06,320
adequately protective. I did just want

2237
01:55:06,320 --> 01:55:08,480
to also indicate it seems like there are

2238
01:55:08,480 --> 01:55:10,000
several people that will be looking at

2239
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:12,239
this before it goes into the recorder of

2240
01:55:12,239 --> 01:55:14,320
deeds. In fact, the final stage is

2241
01:55:14,320 --> 01:55:16,560
conducted by the at you the county

2242
01:55:16,560 --> 01:55:18,480
attorney's office. Correct. So that even

2243
01:55:18,480 --> 01:55:20,560
if we accidentally were to make a

2244
01:55:20,560 --> 01:55:22,560
mistake, which I'm sure is very

2245
01:55:22,560 --> 01:55:25,119
improbable because historic Tacoma is

2246
01:55:25,119 --> 01:55:26,880
getting ready to be very careful, there

2247
01:55:26,880 --> 01:55:28,400
would be several other opportunities

2248
01:55:28,400 --> 01:55:31,040
before it goes into the final record for

2249
01:55:31,040 --> 01:55:33,199
somebody to identify and catch the

2250
01:55:33,199 --> 01:55:34,719
mistake in addition to the spot [music]

2251
01:55:34,719 --> 01:55:36,880
checking that you're proposing to do. Is

2252
01:55:36,880 --> 01:55:37,520
that right?

2253
01:55:37,520 --> 01:55:40,400
>> That that is correct. Um, so and I think

2254
01:55:40,400 --> 01:55:42,800
what uh what gave us a little pause is

2255
01:55:42,800 --> 01:55:45,679
in the form the uh the modification form

2256
01:55:45,679 --> 01:55:48,800
there's little tiny um print there that

2257
01:55:48,800 --> 01:55:52,159
says um while the and I'm paraphrasing

2258
01:55:52,159 --> 01:55:54,080
while the county attorney is signing off

2259
01:55:54,080 --> 01:55:56,880
on this if there are any mistakes it's

2260
01:55:56,880 --> 01:56:01,440
uh it goes back to the uh municipal government. So

2261
01:56:01,440 --> 01:56:03,760
>> actually and and this I was not aware of

2262
01:56:03,760 --> 01:56:06,639
this when we last talked about this um a

2263
01:56:06,639 --> 01:56:09,679
year or so ago and learned in the course

2264
01:56:09,679 --> 01:56:11,360
of our discussions over the last few

2265
01:56:11,360 --> 01:56:13,599
months actually the state law at the

2266
01:56:13,599 --> 01:56:15,840
very end of the state law after it does

2267
01:56:15,840 --> 01:56:18,480
all the substantive stuff about who can

2268
01:56:18,480 --> 01:56:20,560
remove them and request them and so on.

2269
01:56:20,560 --> 01:56:22,239
There's a, oh, by the way, is the very

2270
01:56:22,239 --> 01:56:25,760
last line of the law that says neither

2271
01:56:25,760 --> 01:56:28,480
the the county attorney nor the the

2272
01:56:28,480 --> 01:56:32,080
court clerk um are liable for any

2273
01:56:32,080 --> 01:56:34,000
mistakes made, which strikes me

2274
01:56:34,000 --> 01:56:35,599
personally as odd. When the county

2275
01:56:35,599 --> 01:56:37,040
attorney is signing the bottom of the

2276
01:56:37,040 --> 01:56:38,880
form saying, "I've reviewed this and

2277
01:56:38,880 --> 01:56:41,440
find it legally sufficient." Then the

2278
01:56:41,440 --> 01:56:42,880
state law says, "Well, you can make a

2279
01:56:42,880 --> 01:56:44,400
mistake and we're not going to hold you

2280
01:56:44,400 --> 01:56:46,159
responsible for that." Well, it just it

2281
01:56:46,159 --> 01:56:47,760
might refer to personal financial

2282
01:56:47,760 --> 01:56:49,679
liability as opposed to, [clears throat]

2283
01:56:49,679 --> 01:56:50,000
you know.

2284
01:56:50,000 --> 01:56:53,119
>> Yeah. So, anyway, I think um

2285
01:56:53,119 --> 01:56:55,360
one of the reasons it's taken longer

2286
01:56:55,360 --> 01:56:56,800
than I think than we thought it would

2287
01:56:56,800 --> 01:56:58,719
take to get to this point tonight is

2288
01:56:58,719 --> 01:57:00,960
that we began to uncover more and more

2289
01:57:00,960 --> 01:57:02,960
of these little subtleties and nuances

2290
01:57:02,960 --> 01:57:04,719
that we had to kind of work through and

2291
01:57:04,719 --> 01:57:08,320
manage the the as as uh the deputy city

2292
01:57:08,320 --> 01:57:10,800
manager said, sort of a balanced thread

2293
01:57:10,800 --> 01:57:12,480
the needle approach to get to the right

2294
01:57:12,480 --> 01:57:13,920
place on this.

2295
01:57:13,920 --> 01:57:17,040
So, Madame Mayor, um I thank you, uh uh

2296
01:57:17,040 --> 01:57:19,599
Jim. Um there are a number because

2297
01:57:19,599 --> 01:57:21,520
there's a a desire to get this um

2298
01:57:21,520 --> 01:57:24,560
through next week um uh when we meet for

2299
01:57:24,560 --> 01:57:26,880
the final time before the uh break. I

2300
01:57:26,880 --> 01:57:28,239
did would just want to flag that in

2301
01:57:28,239 --> 01:57:30,159
looking at the draft resolution, I did

2302
01:57:30,159 --> 01:57:33,679
identify a handful of um clarity and

2303
01:57:33,679 --> 01:57:35,280
typographical things that I think should

2304
01:57:35,280 --> 01:57:37,440
be corrected, none of which I think are

2305
01:57:37,440 --> 01:57:39,760
uh substantive at all, which I could um

2306
01:57:39,760 --> 01:57:42,719
maybe just share with um the staff. I

2307
01:57:42,719 --> 01:57:44,239
could go through them if you want or I

2308
01:57:44,239 --> 01:57:47,920
could just share them. Um but um anyway,

2309
01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:50,320
>> you can um if you wouldn't mind um

2310
01:57:50,320 --> 01:57:53,360
sending them to um Deputy City Manager

2311
01:57:53,360 --> 01:57:55,840
Hupy and if you also wouldn't mind just

2312
01:57:55,840 --> 01:57:58,080
copying the council on on the edits and

2313
01:57:58,080 --> 01:57:59,679
then that way we'll all we're all aware

2314
01:57:59,679 --> 01:58:00,480
of them.

2315
01:58:00,480 --> 01:58:02,800
>> Okay. Um um is it okay if I resort to

2316
01:58:02,800 --> 01:58:05,119
photocopying the handwritten version and

2317
01:58:05,119 --> 01:58:06,000
Okay,

2318
01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:07,599
>> I'll I'll work with the city clerk on

2319
01:58:07,599 --> 01:58:09,119
doing that. None of them are sub

2320
01:58:09,119 --> 01:58:10,480
substantive. They're but they're just

2321
01:58:10,480 --> 01:58:12,800
for clarification purposes. Thank you.

2322
01:58:12,800 --> 01:58:16,719
>> Thank you, Council Member Hanzac.

2323
01:58:16,719 --> 01:58:18,639
>> Thank you so much for all the work

2324
01:58:18,639 --> 01:58:20,719
that's gone into this and for um

2325
01:58:20,719 --> 01:58:23,360
continuing to champion this historic

2326
01:58:23,360 --> 01:58:26,480
Tacoma. And uh Mayor, thank you. I think

2327
01:58:26,480 --> 01:58:29,199
it's just really important. I happened

2328
01:58:29,199 --> 01:58:30,560
to have the opportunity to go through

2329
01:58:30,560 --> 01:58:33,119
the African-American museum just today

2330
01:58:33,119 --> 01:58:36,560
um with Teach for America and um and was

2331
01:58:36,560 --> 01:58:40,239
reading about Black Code after the um in

2332
01:58:40,239 --> 01:58:41,920
our history in our nation's history and

2333
01:58:41,920 --> 01:58:44,560
I if you haven't been there lately uh

2334
01:58:44,560 --> 01:58:47,440
it's it's it's quite you know it's a

2335
01:58:47,440 --> 01:58:52,000
good reckoning about why this is so very important because as we can see

2336
01:58:52,000 --> 01:58:53,840
there's an erosion right now of a lot of

2337
01:58:53,840 --> 01:58:55,119
things that we always thought were

2338
01:58:55,119 --> 01:58:57,599
sacrosinct but anyway I know we all know

2339
01:58:57,599 --> 01:59:00,960
that. Um, so I too support the uh the

2340
01:59:00,960 --> 01:59:03,040
all identified deeds from what I

2341
01:59:03,040 --> 01:59:06,639
understand. [music] Um, I would support

2342
01:59:06,639 --> 01:59:10,080
frankly the lowest cost option for

2343
01:59:10,080 --> 01:59:12,400
Washington Post or Daily Record. I'm not

2344
01:59:12,400 --> 01:59:17,199
sure whether it will really reach our people. Um, or maybe it's which one

2345
01:59:17,199 --> 01:59:19,040
whichever one is most politically

2346
01:59:19,040 --> 01:59:21,040
comfortable for us. I won't pretend to

2347
01:59:21,040 --> 01:59:23,679
be an expert on those things. I did

2348
01:59:23,679 --> 01:59:25,760
appreciate the commenter earlier tonight

2349
01:59:25,760 --> 01:59:28,560
from W 2. I didn't catch his name. Um

2350
01:59:28,560 --> 01:59:31,599
and the um and I would strongly support

2351
01:59:31,599 --> 01:59:32,960
the assignment of the project to

2352
01:59:32,960 --> 01:59:36,000
historic Tacoma. I do have one question.

2353
01:59:36,000 --> 01:59:37,920
The mayor asked about risk related

2354
01:59:37,920 --> 01:59:39,840
questions, but also could you just

2355
01:59:39,840 --> 01:59:40,960
comment quickly whether you have

2356
01:59:40,960 --> 01:59:42,880
attorneys on your board or are you an

2357
01:59:42,880 --> 01:59:43,520
attorney? We

2358
01:59:43,520 --> 01:59:45,760
>> I'm not I am not an attorney. We do have

2359
01:59:45,760 --> 01:59:47,920
an attorney on our board who has

2360
01:59:47,920 --> 01:59:49,360
reviewed these kinds of things. So

2361
01:59:49,360 --> 01:59:51,360
>> and would be involved in this process as

2362
01:59:51,360 --> 01:59:53,599
well. I'm again no personal liability

2363
01:59:53,599 --> 01:59:55,199
implied. I'm just curious.

2364
01:59:55,199 --> 01:59:57,840
>> Yes. and and and he actually was very

2365
01:59:57,840 --> 02:00:00,239
helpful in guiding us towards this error

2366
02:00:00,239 --> 02:00:02,320
and emissions errors in emission policy

2367
02:00:02,320 --> 02:00:05,360
which is you know he's he's a general

2368
02:00:05,360 --> 02:00:07,520
pract retired general practice attorney

2369
02:00:07,520 --> 02:00:10,159
so he's got a lot of experience in this

2370
02:00:10,159 --> 02:00:12,480
so yeah that's fine I will say just

2371
02:00:12,480 --> 02:00:15,840
quickly that um I think we anticipate in

2372
02:00:15,840 --> 02:00:19,280
it the state the law requires this to

2373
02:00:19,280 --> 02:00:21,520
publish in a newspaper of record but

2374
02:00:21,520 --> 02:00:23,040
there are many other ways that we can

2375
02:00:23,040 --> 02:00:25,440
also publicize this too in the city's

2376
02:00:25,440 --> 02:00:29,119
website, um the city newsletter, our own

2377
02:00:29,119 --> 02:00:30,639
outreach and so on. So I think there

2378
02:00:30,639 --> 02:00:33,280
will be many opportunities for people

2379
02:00:33,280 --> 02:00:35,520
who don't read either the Washington

2380
02:00:35,520 --> 02:00:37,920
Post classifies or the daily record

2381
02:00:37,920 --> 02:00:40,560
classif uh classifides to learn about

2382
02:00:40,560 --> 02:00:43,760
this um project and process that we're

2383
02:00:43,760 --> 02:00:46,320
going to follow. So for um you know

2384
02:00:46,320 --> 02:00:48,159
getting the word out kind of thing. So

2385
02:00:48,159 --> 02:00:49,760
>> is there is there any and this is I

2386
02:00:49,760 --> 02:00:51,199
think more for the city staff. Is there

2387
02:00:51,199 --> 02:00:52,960
any reason that we wouldn't send out

2388
02:00:52,960 --> 02:00:55,840
1,200 mailers to the the households in

2389
02:00:55,840 --> 02:00:57,599
question just to make sure it gets right

2390
02:00:57,599 --> 02:01:00,880
to the address we have on file or is it

2391
02:01:00,880 --> 02:01:03,520
difficult to get those addresses from

2392
02:01:03,520 --> 02:01:04,400
the getgo?

2393
02:01:04,400 --> 02:01:07,520
>> So this is where we were.

2394
02:01:07,520 --> 02:01:11,119
>> Yeah. um two years ago which I do recall

2395
02:01:11,119 --> 02:01:15,040
the state law you had to do a a uh first

2396
02:01:15,040 --> 02:01:18,639
class letter and so the the publishing

2397
02:01:18,639 --> 02:01:21,040
in the newspaper of record was the

2398
02:01:21,040 --> 02:01:24,639
alternative to um sending out a a first

2399
02:01:24,639 --> 02:01:27,119
class letter to uh everybody

2400
02:01:27,119 --> 02:01:29,760
>> to meet the legal requirement. Yes. But

2401
02:01:29,760 --> 02:01:32,960
to in terms [clears throat] of just

2402
02:01:32,960 --> 02:01:36,159
attempting to blanket um the

2403
02:01:36,159 --> 02:01:38,560
notification process,

2404
02:01:38,560 --> 02:01:42,719
honestly, I think I'm more interested in

2405
02:01:42,719 --> 02:01:46,639
notifying people in the name of I'm

2406
02:01:46,639 --> 02:01:49,840
going to call it racial reconciliation

2407
02:01:49,840 --> 02:01:52,400
to get people to pay attention because

2408
02:01:52,400 --> 02:01:55,119
it's addressed to them seems important

2409
02:01:55,119 --> 02:01:58,080
to me. Not really for any legal reasons.

2410
02:01:58,080 --> 02:02:00,480
And I just isn't it is it is it

2411
02:02:00,480 --> 02:02:02,239
expensive? Is it difficult? I know I

2412
02:02:02,239 --> 02:02:04,239
know we might get to the wrong person

2413
02:02:04,239 --> 02:02:04,960
etc. But

2414
02:02:04,960 --> 02:02:06,880
>> I'll defer to the staff on the expense

2415
02:02:06,880 --> 02:02:08,960
and so on. I will say it's it's possible

2416
02:02:08,960 --> 02:02:11,119
to do because we will need

2417
02:02:11,119 --> 02:02:15,119
>> in order to do um the work we will need

2418
02:02:15,119 --> 02:02:17,199
to right now we've identified the legal

2419
02:02:17,199 --> 02:02:18,880
descriptions the subdivision the block

2420
02:02:18,880 --> 02:02:22,000
and the lot. We've not yet associated a

2421
02:02:22,000 --> 02:02:25,040
name or street address with those. um in

2422
02:02:25,040 --> 02:02:26,800
order to do the work that's ahead of us,

2423
02:02:26,800 --> 02:02:28,639
we will need to do that. So, we will

2424
02:02:28,639 --> 02:02:31,840
have at some point a comprehensive list

2425
02:02:31,840 --> 02:02:34,080
of the legal description of the property

2426
02:02:34,080 --> 02:02:36,639
that appears in the deed, the owner of

2427
02:02:36,639 --> 02:02:39,040
record, and the address of that person.

2428
02:02:39,040 --> 02:02:43,119
And so, it's pos it's it's feasible to

2429
02:02:43,119 --> 02:02:46,880
um send a uh a letter to each of those

2430
02:02:46,880 --> 02:02:49,440
people whether you want to do that or

2431
02:02:49,440 --> 02:02:51,199
not. That's not my call. That's that's

2432
02:02:51,199 --> 02:02:52,880
your collective call on that. So,

2433
02:02:52,880 --> 02:02:55,760
>> so I will just remind um remind council

2434
02:02:55,760 --> 02:02:59,920
that the the original um bill language

2435
02:02:59,920 --> 02:03:03,199
that was passed um included

2436
02:03:03,199 --> 02:03:05,440
um requiring us to I believe send

2437
02:03:05,440 --> 02:03:08,480
certified um letters to all of the

2438
02:03:08,480 --> 02:03:10,560
impact house impacted households and

2439
02:03:10,560 --> 02:03:12,880
because of the process it would have

2440
02:03:12,880 --> 02:03:16,400
required a couple of passbacks and um we

2441
02:03:16,400 --> 02:03:18,960
determined that that would be extremely

2442
02:03:18,960 --> 02:03:22,480
cost prohibitive um to do and the result

2443
02:03:22,480 --> 02:03:25,599
of that was going back to Annapapolis um

2444
02:03:25,599 --> 02:03:29,040
in which I testified um to to get that

2445
02:03:29,040 --> 02:03:32,560
language removed from the from the um

2446
02:03:32,560 --> 02:03:36,239
the the state law um requiring the

2447
02:03:36,239 --> 02:03:39,840
exchange of the certified um certified

2448
02:03:39,840 --> 02:03:43,199
mailers which was cost prohibitive. Um

2449
02:03:43,199 --> 02:03:47,679
so then um it was replaced with okay you

2450
02:03:47,679 --> 02:03:51,599
can post it in um a newspaper. Um and

2451
02:03:51,599 --> 02:03:53,199
then this session we went through the

2452
02:03:53,199 --> 02:03:56,880
process of trying to not force us to

2453
02:03:56,880 --> 02:03:58,159
have to go through places like the

2454
02:03:58,159 --> 02:03:59,760
Washington Post. Can we just post it on

2455
02:03:59,760 --> 02:04:01,520
a website? Post it somewhere else. That

2456
02:04:01,520 --> 02:04:04,159
failed. But the reason we went down this

2457
02:04:04,159 --> 02:04:07,280
path was because sending certified mail

2458
02:04:07,280 --> 02:04:10,800
and interacting with someone via mail um

2459
02:04:10,800 --> 02:04:12,719
to reach a resolution or have them

2460
02:04:12,719 --> 02:04:16,639
respond and didn't send a follow-up was extremely cost prohibitive.

2461
02:04:16,639 --> 02:04:19,199
>> Right. No. So I'm I'm 100% aware of it.

2462
02:04:19,199 --> 02:04:20,000
Thank [clears throat] you for reminding

2463
02:04:20,000 --> 02:04:22,000
the the public and anyone who wasn't. I

2464
02:04:22,000 --> 02:04:26,000
was like I said I think the value to me

2465
02:04:26,000 --> 02:04:28,239
it it clearly would be much more complex

2466
02:04:28,239 --> 02:04:30,320
if if that which is why we didn't go

2467
02:04:30,320 --> 02:04:32,800
that avenue for the legal reasons but if

2468
02:04:32,800 --> 02:04:36,159
it's if you if if a further goal is to

2469
02:04:36,159 --> 02:04:38,560
help make individual property owners

2470
02:04:38,560 --> 02:04:42,080
more aware of the work that we've done

2471
02:04:42,080 --> 02:04:45,920
as a city to change things to transform

2472
02:04:45,920 --> 02:04:48,960
things knowing that frankly many of the

2473
02:04:48,960 --> 02:04:50,639
property owners who are there today may

2474
02:04:50,639 --> 02:04:53,679
not really be fully aware of what's in

2475
02:04:53,679 --> 02:04:56,719
their deeds. I think there's great value

2476
02:04:56,719 --> 02:04:58,719
in that if it wasn't a big lift and

2477
02:04:58,719 --> 02:05:00,159
knowing that many of them wouldn't reach

2478
02:05:00,159 --> 02:05:03,119
the intended recipient because maybe

2479
02:05:03,119 --> 02:05:05,520
they really aren't the p maybe they're

2480
02:05:05,520 --> 02:05:07,040
not alive maybe they're not the person

2481
02:05:07,040 --> 02:05:08,800
who owns the deed anymore maybe they

2482
02:05:08,800 --> 02:05:10,480
aren't living at that address what you

2483
02:05:10,480 --> 02:05:12,320
know the many reasons but many of them

2484
02:05:12,320 --> 02:05:14,560
would reach them and in a more

2485
02:05:14,560 --> 02:05:16,560
personalized way that I think would have

2486
02:05:16,560 --> 02:05:18,639
value anyway I'd be interested in

2487
02:05:18,639 --> 02:05:20,480
knowing if it wasn't certified mail if

2488
02:05:20,480 --> 02:05:22,719
it was basic straight up mail and at the

2489
02:05:22,719 --> 02:05:24,400
end of the day we had the addresses is

2490
02:05:24,400 --> 02:05:26,400
whether that's something that we might

2491
02:05:26,400 --> 02:05:30,239
consider doing um for for the purpose of

2492
02:05:30,239 --> 02:05:33,199
um you know educa community education

2493
02:05:33,199 --> 02:05:37,119
and awareness and really building that bridge all the way to its

2494
02:05:37,119 --> 02:05:39,920
destination as much as possible. Anyway,

2495
02:05:39,920 --> 02:05:41,599
that's that's just a further thought

2496
02:05:41,599 --> 02:05:44,080
that I have um that just came upon me as

2497
02:05:44,080 --> 02:05:45,599
I was looking at all of this and what's

2498
02:05:45,599 --> 02:05:48,480
the purpose of doing all of this? Um,

2499
02:05:48,480 --> 02:05:52,239
and I think I think that covers Oh, I

2500
02:05:52,239 --> 02:05:54,880
did. I am I can I just in case I use

2501
02:05:54,880 --> 02:05:57,280
this statistic for later in case anybody

2502
02:05:57,280 --> 02:06:01,199
has questions. So, the total cost of the

2503
02:06:01,199 --> 02:06:02,800
process that we're going through as we

2504
02:06:02,800 --> 02:06:06,000
see it now over the two years or the two

2505
02:06:06,000 --> 02:06:07,840
years that we imagine would be about

2506
02:06:07,840 --> 02:06:10,400
145,000. So, I just did a quick back of

2507
02:06:10,400 --> 02:06:13,440
the envelope which would be about $120

2508
02:06:13,440 --> 02:06:16,800
which is nothing per property. Um, does

2509
02:06:16,800 --> 02:06:19,119
that sound like about right if someone

2510
02:06:19,119 --> 02:06:22,400
should ask? What are we spending on on

2511
02:06:22,400 --> 02:06:24,639
this? I think it's worth an infinite

2512
02:06:24,639 --> 02:06:26,480
amount of money, but obviously there

2513
02:06:26,480 --> 02:06:28,080
will be questions and I would like to be

2514
02:06:28,080 --> 02:06:29,920
able to answer them coherently.

2515
02:06:29,920 --> 02:06:32,079
>> So, that is what we're we're we're

2516
02:06:32,079 --> 02:06:33,280
anticipating at the moment.

2517
02:06:33,280 --> 02:06:33,599
>> Okay.

2518
02:06:33,599 --> 02:06:36,239
>> Um, yeah. And Madame Mayor, may may I

2519
02:06:36,239 --> 02:06:38,320
just um answer the question regarding

2520
02:06:38,320 --> 02:06:39,920
the uh sending out letters?

2521
02:06:39,920 --> 02:06:43,040
>> Yeah. Um so sending out the letters um a

2522
02:06:43,040 --> 02:06:45,520
it's it would be costly and b the danger

2523
02:06:45,520 --> 02:06:48,400
we deal with that is not identifying the

2524
02:06:48,400 --> 02:06:50,960
correct or the not the correct not

2525
02:06:50,960 --> 02:06:53,760
identifying all of those folks that have

2526
02:06:53,760 --> 02:06:56,719
um ownership stake. So, the law, as

2527
02:06:56,719 --> 02:06:59,199
Madame Mayor mentioned, the law was uh

2528
02:06:59,199 --> 02:07:00,880
was changed to make that easier to

2529
02:07:00,880 --> 02:07:03,599
streamline it. Um, so that we just

2530
02:07:03,599 --> 02:07:06,880
posted on a a newspaper. And we actually

2531
02:07:06,880 --> 02:07:08,719
believe that we would do a better job

2532
02:07:08,719 --> 02:07:10,159
than the Washington Post, even if we

2533
02:07:10,159 --> 02:07:12,159
were to go with a Washington Post.

2534
02:07:12,159 --> 02:07:13,679
>> You know, you could argue that

2535
02:07:13,679 --> 02:07:15,679
readership isn't what it used to be. And

2536
02:07:15,679 --> 02:07:18,480
really uh think outside of land use

2537
02:07:18,480 --> 02:07:23,119
attorneys um you know real estate folks,

2538
02:07:23,119 --> 02:07:24,639
regular folks aren't going to probably

2539
02:07:24,639 --> 02:07:26,719
look at the legal notices. So we are

2540
02:07:26,719 --> 02:07:28,800
actually counting more on the city

2541
02:07:28,800 --> 02:07:32,159
manager um weekly report to council on

2542
02:07:32,159 --> 02:07:37,280
the gym's website historic website our newsletter. We're relying on

2543
02:07:37,280 --> 02:07:40,880
those more to inform residents than

2544
02:07:40,880 --> 02:07:46,149
anything else than any other medium.

2545
02:07:46,159 --> 02:07:48,480
If I if I could just I don't know if my

2546
02:07:48,480 --> 02:07:50,719
meaning though if either I'm missing

2547
02:07:50,719 --> 02:07:52,400
something or I haven't communicated

2548
02:07:52,400 --> 02:07:55,440
clearly. I I am suggesting that this

2549
02:07:55,440 --> 02:07:57,599
would be a pathway if if it's not that

2550
02:07:57,599 --> 02:08:00,000
much to send basic mail knowing that

2551
02:08:00,000 --> 02:08:02,880
there would be a lot of inaccurate you

2552
02:08:02,880 --> 02:08:05,199
know or not all the people etc that this

2553
02:08:05,199 --> 02:08:06,800
had nothing would have nothing to do

2554
02:08:06,800 --> 02:08:08,880
with the legal side of things really

2555
02:08:08,880 --> 02:08:11,520
that this would simply be hey this even

2556
02:08:11,520 --> 02:08:15,040
after this this has been done um this is

2557
02:08:15,040 --> 02:08:17,360
why this is the history behind this this

2558
02:08:17,360 --> 02:08:18,880
is why you know this is what it looked

2559
02:08:18,880 --> 02:08:20,639
like be this is what it looked like this

2560
02:08:20,639 --> 02:08:22,639
is what it looks like now or something

2561
02:08:22,639 --> 02:08:24,480
um And then I don't know whether there's

2562
02:08:24,480 --> 02:08:26,079
liability involved in doing something

2563
02:08:26,079 --> 02:08:28,560
like that. But um if it could be done

2564
02:08:28,560 --> 02:08:30,480
without any liability risk, it would be

2565
02:08:30,480 --> 02:08:32,560
an interesting pathway to me to getting

2566
02:08:32,560 --> 02:08:34,719
more directly. I think people many

2567
02:08:34,719 --> 02:08:40,079
people who we might like to reach um to really deeply more deeply reflect on

2568
02:08:40,079 --> 02:08:42,000
these issues rather than just seeing a

2569
02:08:42,000 --> 02:08:44,639
blanket statement in the paper. Uh I

2570
02:08:44,639 --> 02:08:45,520
think it could be somewhat

2571
02:08:45,520 --> 02:08:49,440
transformative. Frankly, uh I I as a

2572
02:08:49,440 --> 02:08:51,679
white person who owns a home in this

2573
02:08:51,679 --> 02:08:52,960
city that happened to have been

2574
02:08:52,960 --> 02:08:55,599
redlined, this has all been very new for

2575
02:08:55,599 --> 02:08:57,599
me to learn about restrictive covenants

2576
02:08:57,599 --> 02:08:58,960
and the role that they've played during

2577
02:08:58,960 --> 02:09:03,119
my lifetime. And I think it is deeply uh

2578
02:09:03,119 --> 02:09:05,360
important that we really go deep on

2579
02:09:05,360 --> 02:09:08,159
these issues and not just sort of gloss

2580
02:09:08,159 --> 02:09:09,679
over it particularly when we're taking

2581
02:09:09,679 --> 02:09:12,400
the time to invest in this as a as a

2582
02:09:12,400 --> 02:09:14,400
part of our racial reconciliation

2583
02:09:14,400 --> 02:09:16,400
process as as a city.

2584
02:09:16,400 --> 02:09:17,760
>> Yeah. And just if I can add

2585
02:09:17,760 --> 02:09:20,239
clarification. So, the publication that

2586
02:09:20,239 --> 02:09:23,840
we would put um is actually it's it's um

2587
02:09:23,840 --> 02:09:29,119
it's the street address um and you know

2588
02:09:29,119 --> 02:09:30,880
a brief description of what we're doing

2589
02:09:30,880 --> 02:09:33,199
and it's um we're probably going to do

2590
02:09:33,199 --> 02:09:35,599
it by block. So, it might say you know

2591
02:09:35,599 --> 02:09:38,079
impacted properties include uh Maple

2592
02:09:38,079 --> 02:09:42,719
Avenue blocks 5,000 to, you know, 7,000.

2593
02:09:42,719 --> 02:09:45,440
Um that's what the notice would be. And

2594
02:09:45,440 --> 02:09:48,960
then on our uh website and which we are

2595
02:09:48,960 --> 02:09:51,040
required to do per the law posted on the

2596
02:09:51,040 --> 02:09:52,624
website the notice on the website and

2597
02:09:52,624 --> 02:09:54,400
[music] then the city manager's report

2598
02:09:54,400 --> 02:09:58,000
for example it would say um he the city

2599
02:09:58,000 --> 02:10:00,320
manager would say oh city of Tacoma Park

2600
02:10:00,320 --> 02:10:05,199
is enga has engaged blah blah um and we

2601
02:10:05,199 --> 02:10:07,599
will be undertaking this and property

2602
02:10:07,599 --> 02:10:11,679
owners will have 30 days uh to reject uh

2603
02:10:11,679 --> 02:10:13,760
or object to the modifications. So,

2604
02:10:13,760 --> 02:10:15,199
those are the kind of notices that would

2605
02:10:15,199 --> 02:10:17,199
go, but I hear you. Um,

2606
02:10:17,199 --> 02:10:18,560
>> and I hear you too. Yeah. Yeah. Thank

2607
02:10:18,560 --> 02:10:18,800
you.

2608
02:10:18,800 --> 02:10:21,760
>> Yeah. I mean, I think um after hearing

2609
02:10:21,760 --> 02:10:24,560
council member Hanzac, um it might be

2610
02:10:24,560 --> 02:10:28,480
useful for us to estimate or to include

2611
02:10:28,480 --> 02:10:32,560
um a cost for a onetime once we have the

2612
02:10:32,560 --> 02:10:34,719
actual addresses.

2613
02:10:34,719 --> 02:10:42,079
um a one-time information mailer, not in any way related to what is legal

2614
02:10:42,079 --> 02:10:44,880
was legally required to do because that

2615
02:10:44,880 --> 02:10:46,960
would have just like that's a whole

2616
02:10:46,960 --> 02:10:49,199
different thing. Like sending people

2617
02:10:49,199 --> 02:10:51,280
forms and all of that just adds to the

2618
02:10:51,280 --> 02:10:56,320
bulk. But if we could send one mailer to

2619
02:10:56,320 --> 02:10:58,239
the impacted households that would

2620
02:10:58,239 --> 02:11:00,800
simply state your home has been

2621
02:11:00,800 --> 02:11:05,840
identified as part of blah blah blah and there will be

2622
02:11:05,840 --> 02:11:07,599
modifications made to your deed to

2623
02:11:07,599 --> 02:11:10,000
remove restricted covenants language.

2624
02:11:10,000 --> 02:11:12,639
This is what it is. You have additional

2625
02:11:12,639 --> 02:11:15,599
questions, please contact historic

2626
02:11:15,599 --> 02:11:17,840
Tacoma, city of Tacoma Park. And then

2627
02:11:17,840 --> 02:11:19,280
that way I don't know if that would be

2628
02:11:19,280 --> 02:11:20,800
useful or not because then you might

2629
02:11:20,800 --> 02:11:23,199
draw people in to where they actually

2630
02:11:23,199 --> 02:11:24,800
>> do themselves. Again, just speaking to

2631
02:11:24,800 --> 02:11:26,719
the feasibility as opposed to whether

2632
02:11:26,719 --> 02:11:29,119
it's a good idea or not. Um I'm not

2633
02:11:29,119 --> 02:11:30,960
taking I was not not going to take a

2634
02:11:30,960 --> 02:11:32,719
position on that. From a feasibility

2635
02:11:32,719 --> 02:11:34,800
standpoint, we will have a list of

2636
02:11:34,800 --> 02:11:36,400
addresses. It's somewhere between

2637
02:11:36,400 --> 02:11:38,320
probably a,000 and 1,200 at this point.

2638
02:11:38,320 --> 02:11:40,400
So, you could multiply that number times

2639
02:11:40,400 --> 02:11:43,199
whatever a first class postage stamp is

2640
02:11:43,199 --> 02:11:45,520
um and the cost of a little bit of paper

2641
02:11:45,520 --> 02:11:49,199
and envelopes. If it was a generic

2642
02:11:49,199 --> 02:11:52,000
um statement that said, you know, dear

2643
02:11:52,000 --> 02:11:54,320
property owner or whatever, um that

2644
02:11:54,320 --> 02:11:55,760
would be you could just stick one of

2645
02:11:55,760 --> 02:11:58,320
those in everyone. If you if it was

2646
02:11:58,320 --> 02:12:00,960
dear, you know, Sam and Mary Jones at

2647
02:12:00,960 --> 02:12:02,560
XY, then you get then you're going to

2648
02:12:02,560 --> 02:12:04,159
start talking about cost because then

2649
02:12:04,159 --> 02:12:06,000
each one of those pieces of paper would

2650
02:12:06,000 --> 02:12:09,280
have to be individually um you know,

2651
02:12:09,280 --> 02:12:10,960
produced and put in the right envelope

2652
02:12:10,960 --> 02:12:13,360
and everything. So, a generic would be

2653
02:12:13,360 --> 02:12:15,280
um from a feasibility standpoint

2654
02:12:15,280 --> 02:12:17,679
relatively easy to do. Whether and how

2655
02:12:17,679 --> 02:12:19,760
to do it, I think there's some pros and

2656
02:12:19,760 --> 02:12:22,639
cons on that. I understand um Council

2657
02:12:22,639 --> 02:12:25,360
Member Hanzac's rationale um and I'd be

2658
02:12:25,360 --> 02:12:27,760
happy to talk about it at some point

2659
02:12:27,760 --> 02:12:29,440
whether that's something that's worth

2660
02:12:29,440 --> 02:12:32,000
doing. We will I will just say it will

2661
02:12:32,000 --> 02:12:36,239
take a while to once once if and when

2662
02:12:36,239 --> 02:12:39,360
you approve um moving forward. Um then

2663
02:12:39,360 --> 02:12:41,040
we've got some work to do in terms of an

2664
02:12:41,040 --> 02:12:42,560
actual agreement and then we've got to

2665
02:12:42,560 --> 02:12:45,840
get some work to do from you know um

2666
02:12:45,840 --> 02:12:47,920
ramping up the project. So it will be,

2667
02:12:47,920 --> 02:12:49,920
you know, some months into next year

2668
02:12:49,920 --> 02:12:52,480
before we really have detailed

2669
02:12:52,480 --> 02:12:54,800
information which at which point that

2670
02:12:54,800 --> 02:12:56,800
conversation could be had with whoever

2671
02:12:56,800 --> 02:12:58,000
wants to have a conversation about

2672
02:12:58,000 --> 02:13:00,719
whether it would make sense and when in

2673
02:13:00,719 --> 02:13:02,320
the process it would make sense to move

2674
02:13:02,320 --> 02:13:04,320
forward on that. So yeah, I think it's

2675
02:13:04,320 --> 02:13:05,840
something that can be talked about in

2676
02:13:05,840 --> 02:13:07,599
the future if you want to talk about it.

2677
02:13:07,599 --> 02:13:08,239
>> Excellent.

2678
02:13:08,239 --> 02:13:10,320
>> Madame Mayor, if I can just before just

2679
02:13:10,320 --> 02:13:12,239
to manage expectations, I do want to run

2680
02:13:12,239 --> 02:13:14,320
this by uh the city attorney to make

2681
02:13:14,320 --> 02:13:16,079
sure that it doesn't violate anything.

2682
02:13:16,079 --> 02:13:18,960
So before I uh commit, can I get back to

2683
02:13:18,960 --> 02:13:20,159
you guys on that one?

2684
02:13:20,159 --> 02:13:20,960
>> Okay. Yeah,

2685
02:13:20,960 --> 02:13:23,199
>> I'm riskaverse. [laughter]

2686
02:13:23,199 --> 02:13:26,079
>> No, you're not.

2687
02:13:26,079 --> 02:13:28,159
>> These options are all full of [laughter]

2688
02:13:28,159 --> 02:13:30,719
risk.

2689
02:13:30,719 --> 02:13:33,599
>> Well, some levels of risk.

2690
02:13:33,599 --> 02:13:36,560
>> U council member Dybala.

2691
02:13:36,560 --> 02:13:39,199
>> Yeah, just very briefly, I support all

2692
02:13:39,199 --> 02:13:41,440
three of the staff recommendations.

2693
02:13:41,440 --> 02:13:45,840
I agree that um more outreach

2694
02:13:45,840 --> 02:13:48,079
uh beyond the ones that have been

2695
02:13:48,079 --> 02:13:51,119
identified should be explored. Um and I

2696
02:13:51,119 --> 02:13:53,199
want to thank historic Tacoma in

2697
02:13:53,199 --> 02:13:55,679
particular for your persistence over the

2698
02:13:55,679 --> 02:13:57,520
past couple of years and hanging in

2699
02:13:57,520 --> 02:13:59,920
there till we got as far as we are now

2700
02:13:59,920 --> 02:14:03,199
and to the staff for working on this. Um

2701
02:14:03,199 --> 02:14:04,800
and I think that's it.

2702
02:14:04,800 --> 02:14:06,560
>> Thank you very much, Council Member

2703
02:14:06,560 --> 02:14:07,599
Wesle.

2704
02:14:07,599 --> 02:14:10,239
>> Uh thank you. I'm basically ditto what

2705
02:14:10,239 --> 02:14:13,119
uh council member Dybala said. Um I

2706
02:14:13,119 --> 02:14:14,159
agree with the three staff

2707
02:14:14,159 --> 02:14:16,159
recommendations. Thank you for the staff

2708
02:14:16,159 --> 02:14:17,360
working on it. Thank you so much to

2709
02:14:17,360 --> 02:14:19,360
Historic Tacoma.

2710
02:14:19,360 --> 02:14:23,679
>> Thank you very much. All right. Uh

2711
02:14:23,679 --> 02:14:25,280
>> oh, Council Member Schlago, I'm sorry I

2712
02:14:25,280 --> 02:14:27,520
did not see your hand.

2713
02:14:27,520 --> 02:14:31,040
>> Thank you. Thank you to

2714
02:14:31,040 --> 02:14:34,560
uh Deputy City Manager Up and also

2715
02:14:34,560 --> 02:14:36,960
Douglas. I agree with all the

2716
02:14:36,960 --> 02:14:38,880
recommendations

2717
02:14:38,880 --> 02:14:42,239
and um I just had one suggestion and one

2718
02:14:42,239 --> 02:14:44,400
quick question. My suggestion is in

2719
02:14:44,400 --> 02:14:46,639
light of the recent thread of

2720
02:14:46,639 --> 02:14:48,719
conversation,

2721
02:14:48,719 --> 02:14:50,800
maybe we already since we already mailed

2722
02:14:50,800 --> 02:14:53,119
a newsletter to all addresses, we could

2723
02:14:53,119 --> 02:14:55,199
serve the educational

2724
02:14:55,199 --> 02:14:58,560
goal of this by doing a headline once

2725
02:14:58,560 --> 02:15:01,840
the project is done saying, "Did your

2726
02:15:01,840 --> 02:15:05,679
property have a have a restricted co

2727
02:15:05,679 --> 02:15:08,400
restrictive covenant?" Look it up. and

2728
02:15:08,400 --> 02:15:11,760
then we could publish maybe across two

2729
02:15:11,760 --> 02:15:14,639
pages of the newsletter each address or

2730
02:15:14,639 --> 02:15:17,440
each block as needed.

2731
02:15:17,440 --> 02:15:22,560
Um, and my question is just to make sure

2732
02:15:22,560 --> 02:15:26,480
when the strikethroughs are done for for

2733
02:15:26,480 --> 02:15:28,480
when a strikethrough is done for each

2734
02:15:28,480 --> 02:15:31,040
property, will it be done to the most

2735
02:15:31,040 --> 02:15:34,719
recent version of the deed on which that

2736
02:15:34,719 --> 02:15:39,270
restrictive covenant appeared?

2737
02:15:39,280 --> 02:15:42,390
That's

2738
02:15:42,400 --> 02:15:46,239
so um let let me go back again to say

2739
02:15:46,239 --> 02:15:49,360
the the covenant

2740
02:15:49,360 --> 02:15:52,239
I will say I won't say

2741
02:15:52,239 --> 02:15:55,920
always but I will say 99.9% of the time

2742
02:15:55,920 --> 02:15:58,118
the covenant only appears once and it

2743
02:15:58,118 --> 02:16:02,079
[music] occurs in the first deed that

2744
02:16:02,079 --> 02:16:04,320
was when the essentially the developer

2745
02:16:04,320 --> 02:16:07,280
sold it to either the developer created

2746
02:16:07,280 --> 02:16:09,360
a subdivision and covenanted everything

2747
02:16:09,360 --> 02:16:11,280
in the subdivision or they sold the

2748
02:16:11,280 --> 02:16:13,760
individual properties. So the covenant

2749
02:16:13,760 --> 02:16:15,599
language appears there and then

2750
02:16:15,599 --> 02:16:18,639
subsequently every deed after that says

2751
02:16:18,639 --> 02:16:21,440
subject to existing covenants. So we

2752
02:16:21,440 --> 02:16:23,360
need to go back to that first deed where

2753
02:16:23,360 --> 02:16:25,520
it appears which is really the first

2754
02:16:25,520 --> 02:16:27,760
deed in the in the subdivision or or the

2755
02:16:27,760 --> 02:16:31,199
sale. uh and that in the example that um

2756
02:16:31,199 --> 02:16:34,319
was provided um both as the attachment

2757
02:16:34,319 --> 02:16:36,000
to the presentation and then the

2758
02:16:36,000 --> 02:16:42,240
Washington Grove example that was in the package um you will see I I think

2759
02:16:42,240 --> 02:16:44,240
some of the language is blocked out on

2760
02:16:44,240 --> 02:16:47,359
that but but it it well the attachment

2761
02:16:47,359 --> 02:16:48,880
is there the Washington Grove one you

2762
02:16:48,880 --> 02:16:52,000
can see the attached um uh covenant

2763
02:16:52,000 --> 02:16:53,599
language is struck through and that

2764
02:16:53,599 --> 02:16:55,920
would be at the time and whenever

2765
02:16:55,920 --> 02:16:58,319
Washington Grove did this and when they

2766
02:16:58,319 --> 02:16:59,920
were done in Washington Grove, which is

2767
02:16:59,920 --> 02:17:02,479
out of 30s or 20s or something, that's

2768
02:17:02,479 --> 02:17:05,760
when that deed was. So, um, it would not

2769
02:17:05,760 --> 02:17:08,080
be the deed that you have today. It

2770
02:17:08,080 --> 02:17:10,800
would be the deed that

2771
02:17:10,800 --> 02:17:12,399
where that covenant appeared the first

2772
02:17:12,399 --> 02:17:16,160
time in the 20s or 30s or 40s. That is

2773
02:17:16,160 --> 02:17:17,200
that

2774
02:17:17,200 --> 02:17:20,960
>> yes clarification. Okay. Yeah.

2775
02:17:20,960 --> 02:17:23,120
And then and then what's just to be

2776
02:17:23,120 --> 02:17:25,439
clear what that you know every time a

2777
02:17:25,439 --> 02:17:28,479
property is um there's a transaction on

2778
02:17:28,479 --> 02:17:32,240
that property that action is recorded.

2779
02:17:32,240 --> 02:17:34,960
So both sales which are deeds but also

2780
02:17:34,960 --> 02:17:37,280
mortgages are recorded in the property

2781
02:17:37,280 --> 02:17:38,880
records and it's part of the chain of

2782
02:17:38,880 --> 02:17:41,679
title of that property. This struck

2783
02:17:41,679 --> 02:17:43,840
covenant

2784
02:17:43,840 --> 02:17:46,319
adds to that chain of title. So it gets

2785
02:17:46,319 --> 02:17:48,800
recorded as part of the land of the

2786
02:17:48,800 --> 02:17:50,960
record of that property. So anybody

2787
02:17:50,960 --> 02:17:53,200
going and looking at you know doing a

2788
02:17:53,200 --> 02:17:54,960
title searching working backward would

2789
02:17:54,960 --> 02:18:00,080
see explicitly in 2027 2028 um that

2790
02:18:00,080 --> 02:18:02,719
property that covenant was restricted.

2791
02:18:02,719 --> 02:18:05,040
So it will be very explicit to anybody

2792
02:18:05,040 --> 02:18:07,439
looking at a modern deed or a modern

2793
02:18:07,439 --> 02:18:09,200
property record that that covenant has

2794
02:18:09,200 --> 02:18:11,120
been been struck. You don't have to go

2795
02:18:11,120 --> 02:18:12,800
back in time.

2796
02:18:12,800 --> 02:18:14,639
>> Thank you.

2797
02:18:14,639 --> 02:18:16,880
very much. All right, seeing

2798
02:18:16,880 --> 02:18:19,519
no more lights, um I just want to thank

2799
02:18:19,519 --> 02:18:22,080
uh our staff and historic Tacoma for all

2800
02:18:22,080 --> 02:18:23,519
of the work that you all have done to

2801
02:18:23,519 --> 02:18:26,719
get us to this point. Um I am I am in

2802
02:18:26,719 --> 02:18:28,800
support of the recommendations by staff,

2803
02:18:28,800 --> 02:18:29,920
but I do think there's some

2804
02:18:29,920 --> 02:18:32,880
clarification that's needed um in the

2805
02:18:32,880 --> 02:18:34,639
resolution. I'll provide you all with

2806
02:18:34,639 --> 02:18:36,800
some language to make it some of the the

2807
02:18:36,800 --> 02:18:39,359
points that were raised tonight clearer.

2808
02:18:39,359 --> 02:18:43,439
Um, and uh definitely look forward to

2809
02:18:43,439 --> 02:18:45,760
getting this thing done. It's been a

2810
02:18:45,760 --> 02:18:47,760
long time coming,

2811
02:18:47,760 --> 02:18:49,840
multiple trips to Annapolis by multiple

2812
02:18:49,840 --> 02:18:52,319
people. Uh, so we are excited to see

2813
02:18:52,319 --> 02:18:56,800
this move forward. Um, and uh, uh, look

2814
02:18:56,800 --> 02:18:59,040
forward to bringing it back for council

2815
02:18:59,040 --> 02:19:01,200
vote next week.

2816
02:19:01,200 --> 02:19:04,559
>> All right. So, we're going to move to

2817
02:19:04,559 --> 02:19:09,439
our um next item, which is

2818
02:19:09,439 --> 02:19:11,840
implementation of a community connectors

2819
02:19:11,840 --> 02:20:07,190
program.

2820
02:20:07,200 --> 02:20:09,200
Hello. Hello. There we go. Good evening,

2821
02:20:09,200 --> 02:20:12,080
Madame Mayor and Council. Um, we are

2822
02:20:12,080 --> 02:20:13,680
back for another week in community

2823
02:20:13,680 --> 02:20:15,760
connectors. Um a little bit of recap

2824
02:20:15,760 --> 02:20:17,920
from last week's meeting uh last week's

2825
02:20:17,920 --> 02:20:20,160
work session and uh a work session

2826
02:20:20,160 --> 02:20:22,800
tonight on the resolution regarding the

2827
02:20:22,800 --> 02:20:24,640
uh potential option for implementing

2828
02:20:24,640 --> 02:20:27,040
community connectors program. Um so I

2829
02:20:27,040 --> 02:20:30,800
want to just start us off by um doing a

2830
02:20:30,800 --> 02:20:33,120
quick revisit to what some of the

2831
02:20:33,120 --> 02:20:35,439
discussion was about in last week's work

2832
02:20:35,439 --> 02:20:38,000
session. Um one of the major topics week

2833
02:20:38,000 --> 02:20:40,800
we're joined by uh Lawrence Abbees from

2834
02:20:40,800 --> 02:20:42,479
um National League of Cities. Um

2835
02:20:42,479 --> 02:20:44,080
highlight this highlighting the city's

2836
02:20:44,080 --> 02:20:45,680
participation and progress through the

2837
02:20:45,680 --> 02:20:47,200
community engagement academy through the

2838
02:20:47,200 --> 02:20:49,760
National League of Cities. Um we I

2839
02:20:49,760 --> 02:20:51,439
talked about the identified emerging

2840
02:20:51,439 --> 02:20:53,439
priorities and recommended related

2841
02:20:53,439 --> 02:20:55,120
objectives and strategies that could be

2842
02:20:55,120 --> 02:20:56,560
addressed in the community connectors

2843
02:20:56,560 --> 02:20:59,600
program. highlighted some outreach for

2844
02:20:59,600 --> 02:21:01,520
original highlighted that outreach for

2845
02:21:01,520 --> 02:21:03,760
some of the original program objectives

2846
02:21:03,760 --> 02:21:05,840
um related to housing, social services,

2847
02:21:05,840 --> 02:21:08,000
economic development matters is already

2848
02:21:08,000 --> 02:21:10,319
occurring through existing staff um

2849
02:21:10,319 --> 02:21:11,840
proposed

2850
02:21:11,840 --> 02:21:14,160
the recruitment of a contractor to

2851
02:21:14,160 --> 02:21:16,479
provide necessary staff capacity to

2852
02:21:16,479 --> 02:21:18,080
implement recommended objectives and

2853
02:21:18,080 --> 02:21:20,479
strategies and suggested some next steps

2854
02:21:20,479 --> 02:21:23,280
for council direction. based on the

2855
02:21:23,280 --> 02:21:25,680
feedback that we received in the July

2856
02:21:25,680 --> 02:21:29,040
15th um work session. Um we wanted to

2857
02:21:29,040 --> 02:21:30,319
just highlight some of the feedback that

2858
02:21:30,319 --> 02:21:33,520
we that we heard um just as a little bit

2859
02:21:33,520 --> 02:21:35,200
quick note um these were comments that

2860
02:21:35,200 --> 02:21:36,399
we heard and do not necessarily

2861
02:21:36,399 --> 02:21:38,560
represent a consensus from the council.

2862
02:21:38,560 --> 02:21:40,960
Um but one of the one topic that we

2863
02:21:40,960 --> 02:21:43,280
heard um in the feedback was revising

2864
02:21:43,280 --> 02:21:45,680
the position description um to something

2865
02:21:45,680 --> 02:21:47,680
that that uh mirrors something like

2866
02:21:47,680 --> 02:21:50,880
change management um pure curring a

2867
02:21:50,880 --> 02:21:53,920
contractor to train city staff with

2868
02:21:53,920 --> 02:21:55,760
public facing roles on more impactful

2869
02:21:55,760 --> 02:21:58,880
communication strategies evaluate the

2870
02:21:58,880 --> 02:22:01,120
city's current engagement practices with

2871
02:22:01,120 --> 02:22:02,560
the community and suggesting new and

2872
02:22:02,560 --> 02:22:04,880
improved methods developing appropriate

2873
02:22:04,880 --> 02:22:06,560
metrics and key performance indicators

2874
02:22:06,560 --> 02:22:08,319
for a community comm community

2875
02:22:08,319 --> 02:22:10,399
connectors program specifically and

2876
02:22:10,399 --> 02:22:12,479
assessing the progress in community

2877
02:22:12,479 --> 02:22:14,160
connectors program and recommendations

2878
02:22:14,160 --> 02:22:17,840
on next steps regarding how or um or how

2879
02:22:17,840 --> 02:22:20,720
to continue postcontractor.

2880
02:22:20,720 --> 02:22:22,800
Um so one of the other things that we

2881
02:22:22,800 --> 02:22:25,200
heard was continuing ongoing community

2882
02:22:25,200 --> 02:22:27,120
engagement. Um that includes housing,

2883
02:22:27,120 --> 02:22:29,760
social service, economic development. Um

2884
02:22:29,760 --> 02:22:31,120
uh we heard from council that we wanted

2885
02:22:31,120 --> 02:22:32,560
to work within the staff's current

2886
02:22:32,560 --> 02:22:34,560
capacity or some council members to work

2887
02:22:34,560 --> 02:22:36,479
within staff's current capacity

2888
02:22:36,479 --> 02:22:38,160
utilizing training and best practice and

2889
02:22:38,160 --> 02:22:40,080
strategies to be more effective in the

2890
02:22:40,080 --> 02:22:41,840
community engagement that uh we do in

2891
02:22:41,840 --> 02:22:44,560
the in the city. Um artic one of the

2892
02:22:44,560 --> 02:22:46,080
other things we heard was the need to

2893
02:22:46,080 --> 02:22:47,840
articulate council's role in community

2894
02:22:47,840 --> 02:22:50,960
engagement as well as um the focus on

2895
02:22:50,960 --> 02:22:52,479
addressing the needs of those

2896
02:22:52,479 --> 02:22:54,399
historically underserved or un

2897
02:22:54,399 --> 02:22:58,870
hard-to-reach groups.

2898
02:22:58,880 --> 02:23:02,000
So, also based on feedback, we are

2899
02:23:02,000 --> 02:23:04,960
offering a revised contractor role.

2900
02:23:04,960 --> 02:23:07,040
We're proposing, sorry, a a revised

2901
02:23:07,040 --> 02:23:10,080
contractor role. Um, we are proposing an

2902
02:23:10,080 --> 02:23:11,920
18-month assignment for a contractor

2903
02:23:11,920 --> 02:23:14,720
with a narrower scope of work. Um, the

2904
02:23:14,720 --> 02:23:16,880
compensation in order to uh better

2905
02:23:16,880 --> 02:23:18,880
attract a qualified candidate, we are

2906
02:23:18,880 --> 02:23:22,080
proposing a rate of $100,000 a year um

2907
02:23:22,080 --> 02:23:25,359
which would total $150,000 over 18

2908
02:23:25,359 --> 02:23:26,880
months.

2909
02:23:26,880 --> 02:23:29,760
The contractor in the narrower scope of

2910
02:23:29,760 --> 02:23:31,600
work would work collaboratively with the

2911
02:23:31,600 --> 02:23:34,160
city to conduct internal staff training,

2912
02:23:34,160 --> 02:23:35,439
evaluate the current community

2913
02:23:35,439 --> 02:23:37,760
engagement practices, collaborate with

2914
02:23:37,760 --> 02:23:40,000
staff to propose and implement new

2915
02:23:40,000 --> 02:23:42,479
community engagement practices um and

2916
02:23:42,479 --> 02:23:45,040
expand engagement practices with our

2917
02:23:45,040 --> 02:23:46,720
various community organizations that are

2918
02:23:46,720 --> 02:23:49,120
doing um great community engagement work

2919
02:23:49,120 --> 02:23:50,880
at already um and have that

2920
02:23:50,880 --> 02:23:53,120
pre-established trust. develop civic

2921
02:23:53,120 --> 02:23:56,479
education efforts and create metrics for

2922
02:23:56,479 --> 02:23:58,960
this specific program.

2923
02:23:58,960 --> 02:24:01,920
And then um we are also uh proposing the

2924
02:24:01,920 --> 02:24:03,280
contractor would then provide

2925
02:24:03,280 --> 02:24:06,160
recommendations for continuity um beyond

2926
02:24:06,160 --> 02:24:12,790
the 18-month scope of work.

2927
02:24:12,800 --> 02:24:15,280
So to go into some additional details on

2928
02:24:15,280 --> 02:24:17,600
the revised project scope and some

2929
02:24:17,600 --> 02:24:19,600
potential deliverables,

2930
02:24:19,600 --> 02:24:22,160
the first um major point that we want to

2931
02:24:22,160 --> 02:24:24,399
address through this project and the

2932
02:24:24,399 --> 02:24:26,640
revised role of the contractor is

2933
02:24:26,640 --> 02:24:28,479
training city staff and public facing

2934
02:24:28,479 --> 02:24:30,960
roles on more impactful practices and

2935
02:24:30,960 --> 02:24:34,560
strategies. A potential deliverable is

2936
02:24:34,560 --> 02:24:37,359
increased capacity for staff um for

2937
02:24:37,359 --> 02:24:38,880
effective interdep departmental

2938
02:24:38,880 --> 02:24:40,720
collaboration and outward community

2939
02:24:40,720 --> 02:24:43,120
engagement practices.

2940
02:24:43,120 --> 02:24:45,680
A second point that we want to address

2941
02:24:45,680 --> 02:24:48,240
is evaluating the city's current

2942
02:24:48,240 --> 02:24:50,720
engagement practices and suggesting new

2943
02:24:50,720 --> 02:24:52,319
and improved methods for conducting

2944
02:24:52,319 --> 02:24:56,000
community engagement. Um so among what

2945
02:24:56,000 --> 02:24:57,760
staff are currently doing, can a

2946
02:24:57,760 --> 02:24:59,280
contractor come in, work collaboratively

2947
02:24:59,280 --> 02:25:02,880
with those staff members and um propose

2948
02:25:02,880 --> 02:25:04,880
new and improved methods and techniques

2949
02:25:04,880 --> 02:25:06,640
to better reach um especially those

2950
02:25:06,640 --> 02:25:08,800
historically underserved residents. Um,

2951
02:25:08,800 --> 02:25:11,359
a potential deliverable would be report

2952
02:25:11,359 --> 02:25:13,439
highlighting city's engagement practices

2953
02:25:13,439 --> 02:25:15,359
and recommendations for long-term

2954
02:25:15,359 --> 02:25:17,520
sustainability of those practices.

2955
02:25:17,520 --> 02:25:19,040
Implementation of new techniques for

2956
02:25:19,040 --> 02:25:21,200
community engagement as well as best

2957
02:25:21,200 --> 02:25:23,760
practices and appropriate metrics and

2958
02:25:23,760 --> 02:25:26,080
performance indicators for determining

2959
02:25:26,080 --> 02:25:28,319
the success and progress of community

2960
02:25:28,319 --> 02:25:32,950
engagement practices.

2961
02:25:32,960 --> 02:25:35,680
A third item in the project scope um of

2962
02:25:35,680 --> 02:25:38,319
this revised uh contractor position um

2963
02:25:38,319 --> 02:25:40,160
and project over the 18 months would be

2964
02:25:40,160 --> 02:25:42,080
to identify and support community

2965
02:25:42,080 --> 02:25:44,479
organizations to encourage participation

2966
02:25:44,479 --> 02:25:46,319
in a community organization network such

2967
02:25:46,319 --> 02:25:48,399
as providers council. So helping the

2968
02:25:48,399 --> 02:25:50,560
city identify organizations that may not

2969
02:25:50,560 --> 02:25:53,040
currently be part of an or community

2970
02:25:53,040 --> 02:25:54,800
organization network like the providers

2971
02:25:54,800 --> 02:25:56,399
council and inviting them to the table.

2972
02:25:56,399 --> 02:25:58,880
Um, a potential deliverable would be an

2973
02:25:58,880 --> 02:26:01,359
expanded expanded network of community

2974
02:26:01,359 --> 02:26:03,680
organizations that represents a broader

2975
02:26:03,680 --> 02:26:06,000
portion of the community such as tenant

2976
02:26:06,000 --> 02:26:09,280
associations, um, grassroots groups, um,

2977
02:26:09,280 --> 02:26:14,319
and, uh, religious organizations and, the like.

2978
02:26:14,319 --> 02:26:16,880
Also another deliverable or another

2979
02:26:16,880 --> 02:26:18,720
project scope item will be continuing

2980
02:26:18,720 --> 02:26:20,800
the ongoing community engagement work

2981
02:26:20,800 --> 02:26:23,359
with current staff capacity utilizing

2982
02:26:23,359 --> 02:26:25,680
those new best practices and strategies

2983
02:26:25,680 --> 02:26:28,399
to be more effective in the engagement.

2984
02:26:28,399 --> 02:26:30,479
Some deliverables could be oper

2985
02:26:30,479 --> 02:26:32,479
operationalized best practices for city

2986
02:26:32,479 --> 02:26:35,040
staff and staff that are trained in

2987
02:26:35,040 --> 02:26:37,280
effective engagement with the community

2988
02:26:37,280 --> 02:26:42,469
for those city initiatives.

2989
02:26:42,479 --> 02:26:45,120
A fifth project item in the project

2990
02:26:45,120 --> 02:26:46,560
scope that we're proposing is

2991
02:26:46,560 --> 02:26:48,399
researching proposing opportunities for

2992
02:26:48,399 --> 02:26:50,000
civic education efforts with the

2993
02:26:50,000 --> 02:26:52,640
community. This deliverable would be the

2994
02:26:52,640 --> 02:26:54,560
guiding of an implementation of civic

2995
02:26:54,560 --> 02:26:56,960
education programs that could lead to an

2996
02:26:56,960 --> 02:26:59,200
increased number of residents um

2997
02:26:59,200 --> 02:27:00,240
especially those historically

2998
02:27:00,240 --> 02:27:02,720
underserved residents with the to be

2999
02:27:02,720 --> 02:27:05,040
provided with the skills and knowledge

3000
02:27:05,040 --> 02:27:07,520
to be able to better navigate local

3001
02:27:07,520 --> 02:27:09,760
government services. Ideally, this would

3002
02:27:09,760 --> 02:27:12,080
then allow those residents to be more to

3003
02:27:12,080 --> 02:27:14,399
more effectively access resources which

3004
02:27:14,399 --> 02:27:17,200
meet their daily needs. Some examples

3005
02:27:17,200 --> 02:27:19,680
could be food, clothing, legal aid. We'd

3006
02:27:19,680 --> 02:27:21,680
want to hear from those residents to to

3007
02:27:21,680 --> 02:27:24,080
um develop [snorts] civic education

3008
02:27:24,080 --> 02:27:26,479
programs that best meet their needs and

3009
02:27:26,479 --> 02:27:28,960
best allow them to access those. Um and

3010
02:27:28,960 --> 02:27:31,280
then this civic education could lead

3011
02:27:31,280 --> 02:27:33,680
these residents to be to be more um

3012
02:27:33,680 --> 02:27:37,359
active participants in civic life.

3013
02:27:37,359 --> 02:27:40,240
A sixth item is that council will foster

3014
02:27:40,240 --> 02:27:41,920
relationships among city staff and

3015
02:27:41,920 --> 02:27:43,760
community groups, broaden the city's

3016
02:27:43,760 --> 02:27:45,760
outreach and with residents, providing

3017
02:27:45,760 --> 02:27:47,200
city with feedback on engagement

3018
02:27:47,200 --> 02:27:48,560
practices and assisting with civic

3019
02:27:48,560 --> 02:27:51,520
education efforts, recognizing council's

3020
02:27:51,520 --> 02:27:53,520
uh relationship with the community. Um

3021
02:27:53,520 --> 02:27:55,680
we want to be able to leverage that

3022
02:27:55,680 --> 02:27:58,399
council's reach and uh be able to extend

3023
02:27:58,399 --> 02:28:00,000
our comm community engagement efforts

3024
02:28:00,000 --> 02:28:02,479
with um our council members. potential

3025
02:28:02,479 --> 02:28:03,840
outcome would be better informed

3026
02:28:03,840 --> 02:28:05,520
residents about the resources available

3027
02:28:05,520 --> 02:28:08,640
to them, engagement practices improving,

3028
02:28:08,640 --> 02:28:10,399
and residents benefiting from the

3029
02:28:10,399 --> 02:28:12,000
perspectives and expertise of council

3030
02:28:12,000 --> 02:28:13,280
members, especially in those civic

3031
02:28:13,280 --> 02:28:17,990
education efforts.

3032
02:28:18,000 --> 02:28:20,560
Finally, um beginning to de develop

3033
02:28:20,560 --> 02:28:22,160
metrics and key performance indicators

3034
02:28:22,160 --> 02:28:24,720
that will help us measure the impact of

3035
02:28:24,720 --> 02:28:26,800
our community engagement practices. Um

3036
02:28:26,800 --> 02:28:28,800
and so the deliverable would be the

3037
02:28:28,800 --> 02:28:30,960
city's measurement of those community

3038
02:28:30,960 --> 02:28:33,680
engagement activities and then taking

3039
02:28:33,680 --> 02:28:35,520
the metrics that we have and

3040
02:28:35,520 --> 02:28:37,040
implementing improvements based on the

3041
02:28:37,040 --> 02:28:39,120
results. Um and then at the end of the

3042
02:28:39,120 --> 02:28:42,000
18th month period well be before the

3043
02:28:42,000 --> 02:28:44,080
18-month period we this contractor along

3044
02:28:44,080 --> 02:28:45,520
with city staff would present regular

3045
02:28:45,520 --> 02:28:47,680
reports to council highlighting progress

3046
02:28:47,680 --> 02:28:49,840
key takeaways and the need to improve

3047
02:28:49,840 --> 02:28:52,000
community agent practices with the along

3048
02:28:52,000 --> 02:28:54,000
with a report at the end of the 18month

3049
02:28:54,000 --> 02:28:56,640
period.

3050
02:28:56,640 --> 02:29:00,240
So, um there is a resolution um before

3051
02:29:00,240 --> 02:29:03,600
you today. Um and next steps for council

3052
02:29:03,600 --> 02:29:06,000
would then include um questions and

3053
02:29:06,000 --> 02:29:08,240
discussion on the uh proposed resolution

3054
02:29:08,240 --> 02:29:10,678
and the uh revised slides.

3055
02:29:10,678 --> 02:29:12,240
[cough and clears throat] Direct uh and

3056
02:29:12,240 --> 02:29:14,080
in the resolution, we ask council to

3057
02:29:14,080 --> 02:29:15,439
direct staff to proceed with proposed

3058
02:29:15,439 --> 02:29:17,680
scope of work. direct staff to carry

3059
02:29:17,680 --> 02:29:20,240
over $150,000 in allocated general funds

3060
02:29:20,240 --> 02:29:23,920
from FY26 to 27 and directing staff to

3061
02:29:23,920 --> 02:29:26,720
recruit a contractor.

3062
02:29:26,720 --> 02:29:28,479
And that is the end. So now I'll open up

3063
02:29:28,479 --> 02:29:30,720
the floor for discussion, comments,

3064
02:29:30,720 --> 02:29:35,990
questions.

3065
02:29:36,000 --> 02:29:40,000
Thank you very much. Uh,

3066
02:29:40,000 --> 02:29:41,600
Council Member Dala.

3067
02:29:41,600 --> 02:29:46,080
>> Yeah, thank you for this. Um,

3068
02:29:46,080 --> 02:29:48,479
I didn't hear last week uh and I didn't

3069
02:29:48,479 --> 02:29:50,240
hear you say now that there's really a

3070
02:29:50,240 --> 02:29:52,160
lot of disagreement on the council about

3071
02:29:52,160 --> 02:29:53,840
what we want to do and why we want to do

3072
02:29:53,840 --> 02:29:56,720
it. It's a question of how. And so last

3073
02:29:56,720 --> 02:29:59,760
week we were talking about

3074
02:29:59,760 --> 02:30:05,439
a a a temporary contract employee to

3075
02:30:05,439 --> 02:30:07,760
facilitate this work. And this week

3076
02:30:07,760 --> 02:30:12,479
we're we're more handsoff a contractor

3077
02:30:12,479 --> 02:30:14,960
uh to to focus a little more on building

3078
02:30:14,960 --> 02:30:17,120
it into the if I've got you right

3079
02:30:17,120 --> 02:30:19,040
building it into the existing staff

3080
02:30:19,040 --> 02:30:22,319
rather than adding adding a temporary

3081
02:30:22,319 --> 02:30:25,840
staff person. So those are two choices

3082
02:30:25,840 --> 02:30:30,000
about how we go ahead. Um, but I'm not

3083
02:30:30,000 --> 02:30:34,479
hearing a lot about whether we should

3084
02:30:34,479 --> 02:30:36,720
like we don't we don't need to re reach

3085
02:30:36,720 --> 02:30:39,600
out to people who have been underserved

3086
02:30:39,600 --> 02:30:42,000
and are not well connected to civic

3087
02:30:42,000 --> 02:30:44,560
life. I'm not hearing that. So, [music]

3088
02:30:44,560 --> 02:30:48,960
um, so I I am personally comfortable

3089
02:30:48,960 --> 02:30:52,080
with with this. Um, I I think some of

3090
02:30:52,080 --> 02:30:56,479
the verbs like research and report are a

3091
02:30:56,479 --> 02:31:00,000
little a little contractor-ish for me.

3092
02:31:00,000 --> 02:31:02,640
Um, and I'd prefer,

3093
02:31:02,640 --> 02:31:05,439
you know, identify, build in, I like

3094
02:31:05,439 --> 02:31:06,960
train,

3095
02:31:06,960 --> 02:31:09,600
uh, I like s like evaluate and suggest

3096
02:31:09,600 --> 02:31:11,680
improved methods, you know. So for me,

3097
02:31:11,680 --> 02:31:14,960
there's some language that that I might

3098
02:31:14,960 --> 02:31:17,040
play with to get it a little more

3099
02:31:17,040 --> 02:31:20,640
activist, but I but I still I still

3100
02:31:20,640 --> 02:31:24,560
personally still like the idea. Um I am

3101
02:31:24,560 --> 02:31:30,560
curious about the um the thinking behind

3102
02:31:30,560 --> 02:31:33,520
increasing the funding because when I

3103
02:31:33,520 --> 02:31:36,479
asked this privately my impression was

3104
02:31:36,479 --> 02:31:37,760
well you know you're going to pay a

3105
02:31:37,760 --> 02:31:39,120
contractor therefore you have to pay

3106
02:31:39,120 --> 02:31:40,640
contract fees and all this other stuff

3107
02:31:40,640 --> 02:31:44,800
but that's actually not it right. So why

3108
02:31:44,800 --> 02:31:46,319
what did you what were the thoughts

3109
02:31:46,319 --> 02:31:49,520
behind going to the to the $100,000

3110
02:31:49,520 --> 02:31:51,840
because it wasn't hire an expensive

3111
02:31:51,840 --> 02:31:54,160
consulting firm. It was something else,

3112
02:31:54,160 --> 02:31:56,080
>> right? Yes. Thank you for your comments

3113
02:31:56,080 --> 02:31:58,399
and uh earlier your your questions and

3114
02:31:58,399 --> 02:32:01,680
observations uh to staff.

3115
02:32:01,680 --> 02:32:04,080
We heard concerns, staff [snorts] heard

3116
02:32:04,080 --> 02:32:06,720
concerns uh expressed by some council

3117
02:32:06,720 --> 02:32:08,880
members at the last meeting that last

3118
02:32:08,880 --> 02:32:11,200
discussion we had last week with respect

3119
02:32:11,200 --> 02:32:15,040
to whether $75,000 which was the initial

3120
02:32:15,040 --> 02:32:19,920
uh concept would be adequate to attract

3121
02:32:19,920 --> 02:32:22,319
a uh contractor

3122
02:32:22,319 --> 02:32:25,280
uh for the amount of work that is being

3123
02:32:25,280 --> 02:32:28,080
contemplated in various ways. So we

3124
02:32:28,080 --> 02:32:31,520
thought about that. We felt that uh yes

3125
02:32:31,520 --> 02:32:35,280
uh perhaps a a a larger uh sum would do

3126
02:32:35,280 --> 02:32:38,160
the job better. Uh that of course we're

3127
02:32:38,160 --> 02:32:39,920
working within the parameters of what

3128
02:32:39,920 --> 02:32:42,240
council has budgeted. So that's why that

3129
02:32:42,240 --> 02:32:44,479
would take that to 18 months with an

3130
02:32:44,479 --> 02:32:47,200
opportunity to reassess at some point

3131
02:32:47,200 --> 02:32:51,120
shy of that. uh but in order to recruit

3132
02:32:51,120 --> 02:32:54,479
is the quick answer for why in the first

3133
02:32:54,479 --> 02:32:57,520
year and basically the the basis for the

3134
02:32:57,520 --> 02:33:01,200
contract would be uh on 100 on the basis

3135
02:33:01,200 --> 02:33:04,479
of 100,000 a year. Um I would say to

3136
02:33:04,479 --> 02:33:06,240
your other comment uh which we

3137
02:33:06,240 --> 02:33:08,960
appreciated hearing we really try as

3138
02:33:08,960 --> 02:33:11,439
staff to strike a balance. We we we

3139
02:33:11,439 --> 02:33:14,640
understand that while there is a very

3140
02:33:14,640 --> 02:33:16,240
big mission and an important mission

3141
02:33:16,240 --> 02:33:19,120
here, there's also some limitations with

3142
02:33:19,120 --> 02:33:26,640
respect to funds and uh we want to and and a desire to not necessarily uh

3143
02:33:26,640 --> 02:33:29,840
just add permanent staff. So, we're

3144
02:33:29,840 --> 02:33:32,720
trying to find a middle ground that

3145
02:33:32,720 --> 02:33:34,560
accomplishes a lot of these things. One

3146
02:33:34,560 --> 02:33:36,800
of your concerns I believe I heard you

3147
02:33:36,800 --> 02:33:39,600
mention uh a moment ago was about

3148
02:33:39,600 --> 02:33:41,120
whether

3149
02:33:41,120 --> 02:33:45,200
this position would be more of a

3150
02:33:45,200 --> 02:33:48,720
consultant than a uh a worker so to

3151
02:33:48,720 --> 02:33:51,200
speak and that is not our intention. We

3152
02:33:51,200 --> 02:33:53,120
don't use the word consultant here

3153
02:33:53,120 --> 02:33:57,200
purposefully. uh a contractor coming on

3154
02:33:57,200 --> 02:33:59,840
at, you know, with this amount of funds.

3155
02:33:59,840 --> 02:34:01,680
You know, this is somebody working all

3156
02:34:01,680 --> 02:34:03,920
week long, every week, and this is

3157
02:34:03,920 --> 02:34:05,280
working with staff, working with

3158
02:34:05,280 --> 02:34:07,760
residents, uh working with uh

3159
02:34:07,760 --> 02:34:10,000
stakeholder groups, uh trying to help

3160
02:34:10,000 --> 02:34:12,720
build networks. uh we see this as

3161
02:34:12,720 --> 02:34:16,240
somebody who would uh in many respects

3162
02:34:16,240 --> 02:34:18,000
just be working shoulder-to-shoulder

3163
02:34:18,000 --> 02:34:19,840
with all of the parties that I just

3164
02:34:19,840 --> 02:34:22,640
mentioned, not sitting back and writing

3165
02:34:22,640 --> 02:34:25,680
reports and just doing more pure

3166
02:34:25,680 --> 02:34:27,840
consultant kind of things. I think there

3167
02:34:27,840 --> 02:34:30,800
is some review of for example our

3168
02:34:30,800 --> 02:34:33,520
current engagement practices that would

3169
02:34:33,520 --> 02:34:36,000
be very prudent for us to do because I

3170
02:34:36,000 --> 02:34:38,319
think we we need to sort of take measure

3171
02:34:38,319 --> 02:34:41,359
of what we're doing presently and it

3172
02:34:41,359 --> 02:34:44,160
doesn't hurt to have some outside uh set

3173
02:34:44,160 --> 02:34:47,120
of eyes look at that and say well you

3174
02:34:47,120 --> 02:34:48,399
know you're doing this well you're doing

3175
02:34:48,399 --> 02:34:50,479
that uh this not so well and maybe

3176
02:34:50,479 --> 02:34:51,600
there's some things you aren't even

3177
02:34:51,600 --> 02:34:53,200
doing that you could be doing or should

3178
02:34:53,200 --> 02:34:55,600
be doing and it gets to best practices

3179
02:34:55,600 --> 02:34:58,560
and other things. So some level of

3180
02:34:58,560 --> 02:35:01,280
assessment is a good place to start but

3181
02:35:01,280 --> 02:35:03,760
that is not the sum total uh by any

3182
02:35:03,760 --> 02:35:07,600
means of the type of work that staff is

3183
02:35:07,600 --> 02:35:10,479
envisioning for a contractor. Uh as we

3184
02:35:10,479 --> 02:35:13,600
say uh in the in the report revised

3185
02:35:13,600 --> 02:35:17,600
contractor role details includes u and

3186
02:35:17,600 --> 02:35:19,280
we don't get into all details here but

3187
02:35:19,280 --> 02:35:21,920
we say u expand engagement with

3188
02:35:21,920 --> 02:35:23,439
community organizations. Well, the

3189
02:35:23,439 --> 02:35:25,280
manner in which you do that is not for

3190
02:35:25,280 --> 02:35:27,280
the contractor to come in and say,

3191
02:35:27,280 --> 02:35:29,280
"Staff, you should do more of that."

3192
02:35:29,280 --> 02:35:31,439
It's actually, you know, rolling up

3193
02:35:31,439 --> 02:35:34,960
their sleeves and working alongside of

3194
02:35:34,960 --> 02:35:37,200
staff and those that particularly do

3195
02:35:37,200 --> 02:35:40,960
engagement presently, but to work then

3196
02:35:40,960 --> 02:35:44,479
with these uh outside groups, trying to

3197
02:35:44,479 --> 02:35:47,359
make a special effort to uh appro uh

3198
02:35:47,359 --> 02:35:49,760
focus on those who have been underserved

3199
02:35:49,760 --> 02:35:52,399
or hard to reach historically.

3200
02:35:52,399 --> 02:35:55,280
uh but to really do some fieldwork in

3201
02:35:55,280 --> 02:36:01,200
terms of understanding, you know, why are they hard to reach and why have

3202
02:36:01,200 --> 02:36:03,040
they not been involved in civic life to

3203
02:36:03,040 --> 02:36:05,600
the ex or knowledgeable about civic uh

3204
02:36:05,600 --> 02:36:08,560
affairs to the extent that they are and

3205
02:36:08,560 --> 02:36:13,120
you know try to be sensitive and and and inquisitive about what uh they

3206
02:36:13,120 --> 02:36:16,880
need uh what needs to be done and try to

3207
02:36:16,880 --> 02:36:19,040
arrive at some honest to goodness

3208
02:36:19,040 --> 02:36:20,880
solutions for some of those things and

3209
02:36:20,880 --> 02:36:23,280
come act ultimately to the mayor council

3210
02:36:23,280 --> 02:36:26,000
with recommendations, but also we're

3211
02:36:26,000 --> 02:36:27,359
going to think there's going to be some

3212
02:36:27,359 --> 02:36:29,200
common sense things that could be

3213
02:36:29,200 --> 02:36:32,880
perhaps implemented rather quickly and u

3214
02:36:32,880 --> 02:36:35,280
efficiently. Uh just just in the course

3215
02:36:35,280 --> 02:36:37,600
of the city doing its business, maybe

3216
02:36:37,600 --> 02:36:39,200
there's some things we could do better,

3217
02:36:39,200 --> 02:36:42,319
some things we could do differently. Um

3218
02:36:42,319 --> 02:36:43,680
maybe there's some practices that are

3219
02:36:43,680 --> 02:36:45,760
ineffective that we should stop doing.

3220
02:36:45,760 --> 02:36:49,280
So all of that uh would be a big part of

3221
02:36:49,280 --> 02:36:52,240
how the time is spent by the contractor

3222
02:36:52,240 --> 02:36:54,399
in our view.

3223
02:36:54,399 --> 02:36:57,040
>> Yeah. So if I may three three things

3224
02:36:57,040 --> 02:36:59,840
really quickly. So I appreciate that you

3225
02:36:59,840 --> 02:37:01,920
heard what folks said about the

3226
02:37:01,920 --> 02:37:03,600
deliverables and if a per you know

3227
02:37:03,600 --> 02:37:06,080
because whoever it is and they they're

3228
02:37:06,080 --> 02:37:08,080
not there after two years a year and a

3229
02:37:08,080 --> 02:37:10,479
half what's left. Appreciate that. Some

3230
02:37:10,479 --> 02:37:13,120
of the second thing some of the a couple

3231
02:37:13,120 --> 02:37:16,080
of the points beg the question of who's

3232
02:37:16,080 --> 02:37:18,880
going to pick it up when the person

3233
02:37:18,880 --> 02:37:23,120
leaves. Uh so continue expanding the

3234
02:37:23,120 --> 02:37:25,520
continuing expanding the ongoing ongoing

3235
02:37:25,520 --> 02:37:28,000
community engagement work uh supporting

3236
02:37:28,000 --> 02:37:30,880
the community organizations that that

3237
02:37:30,880 --> 02:37:34,319
those are things that somebody else

3238
02:37:34,319 --> 02:37:36,560
would have to pick up and I think you

3239
02:37:36,560 --> 02:37:39,359
alluded to there are existing staff who

3240
02:37:39,359 --> 02:37:41,200
are doing

3241
02:37:41,200 --> 02:37:42,960
this kind of work as part of their job.

3242
02:37:42,960 --> 02:37:44,080
Maybe they're not doing it as

3243
02:37:44,080 --> 02:37:45,840
effectively as they could and maybe

3244
02:37:45,840 --> 02:37:47,760
they're available to but that's just

3245
02:37:47,760 --> 02:37:49,200
something that's hanging. Yeah, we

3246
02:37:49,200 --> 02:37:51,280
imagine doing an assessment at a certain

3247
02:37:51,280 --> 02:37:53,840
point to say, you know, to what degree,

3248
02:37:53,840 --> 02:37:55,600
you know, could staff just kind of run

3249
02:37:55,600 --> 02:37:57,280
with the football, so to speak, at that

3250
02:37:57,280 --> 02:37:59,760
point. Okay. And uh or and in

3251
02:37:59,760 --> 02:38:01,680
conjunction with our partners in the

3252
02:38:01,680 --> 02:38:03,359
community. It doesn't [music] need to be

3253
02:38:03,359 --> 02:38:05,520
exclusively city staff,

3254
02:38:05,520 --> 02:38:07,200
>> but that would be an assessment to come

3255
02:38:07,200 --> 02:38:10,560
and ultimately a potential budgetary uh

3256
02:38:10,560 --> 02:38:14,479
decision to make by council uh you know,

3257
02:38:14,479 --> 02:38:16,640
at a later date as we get further into

3258
02:38:16,640 --> 02:38:18,800
the program. And we've got some that's

3259
02:38:18,800 --> 02:38:21,840
why we emphasize the wisdom of having

3260
02:38:21,840 --> 02:38:24,080
periodic reports to council so that you

3261
02:38:24,080 --> 02:38:27,200
have ongoing information about uh what

3262
02:38:27,200 --> 02:38:30,240
we're working on, what type of results

3263
02:38:30,240 --> 02:38:33,760
we think we're seeing and and frankly we

3264
02:38:33,760 --> 02:38:35,600
could very much use council as a

3265
02:38:35,600 --> 02:38:37,920
sounding board for all of that

3266
02:38:37,920 --> 02:38:39,680
information.

3267
02:38:39,680 --> 02:38:41,840
So my which leads to my third point

3268
02:38:41,840 --> 02:38:43,680
which was just to remind folks that we

3269
02:38:43,680 --> 02:38:45,600
actually had another model origin. Well

3270
02:38:45,600 --> 02:38:48,240
we more than one but the the one before

3271
02:38:48,240 --> 02:38:51,840
this was to identify a nonprofit

3272
02:38:51,840 --> 02:38:54,000
community organization in the in the

3273
02:38:54,000 --> 02:38:56,800
community and basically turn this over

3274
02:38:56,800 --> 02:38:59,840
to them and that didn't work out with

3275
02:38:59,840 --> 02:39:02,479
that particular group. So we have been

3276
02:39:02,479 --> 02:39:05,280
through a number of of of trying to find

3277
02:39:05,280 --> 02:39:07,840
the right approach. Um but again back to

3278
02:39:07,840 --> 02:39:10,080
but we know we need to do this.

3279
02:39:10,080 --> 02:39:10,560
>> Um

3280
02:39:10,560 --> 02:39:12,640
>> I'm sorry if I may just add too I think

3281
02:39:12,640 --> 02:39:14,240
one of the major points that we heard

3282
02:39:14,240 --> 02:39:17,200
last week as well and rightly so was the

3283
02:39:17,200 --> 02:39:18,800
concern if you have someone starting to

3284
02:39:18,800 --> 02:39:20,640
go out of the community on a temporary

3285
02:39:20,640 --> 02:39:23,120
basis doing that direct outreach and

3286
02:39:23,120 --> 02:39:25,760
then you leave that could actually cause

3287
02:39:25,760 --> 02:39:26,720
more harm. Yep.

3288
02:39:26,720 --> 02:39:29,200
>> And the in the in the trust. So I think

3289
02:39:29,200 --> 02:39:31,359
what we try to do with this project

3290
02:39:31,359 --> 02:39:34,640
scope is take it back and think about

3291
02:39:34,640 --> 02:39:36,240
how we can work with the city staff and

3292
02:39:36,240 --> 02:39:38,160
the other community organizations to

3293
02:39:38,160 --> 02:39:39,840
build their those internal capacities.

3294
02:39:39,840 --> 02:39:42,479
Focus on it. It does mirror a lot of

3295
02:39:42,479 --> 02:39:44,479
what was talked about last week in the

3296
02:39:44,479 --> 02:39:47,520
kind of internal alignment piece. um

3297
02:39:47,520 --> 02:39:48,960
building that in focusing on the

3298
02:39:48,960 --> 02:39:51,680
internal capacity, get the ball rolling

3299
02:39:51,680 --> 02:39:54,960
and so we can see um how city staff can

3300
02:39:54,960 --> 02:39:56,640
improve what they're currently doing and

3301
02:39:56,640 --> 02:39:58,080
have this person work collaboratively

3302
02:39:58,080 --> 02:40:00,640
with them. But have city staff and our

3303
02:40:00,640 --> 02:40:02,160
different community organizations be the

3304
02:40:02,160 --> 02:40:04,960
ones who are acting as those community

3305
02:40:04,960 --> 02:40:08,240
liaison. So the people who we can more

3306
02:40:08,240 --> 02:40:10,880
um uh astutely say they are going to be

3307
02:40:10,880 --> 02:40:13,359
interacting on a longerterm basis um and

3308
02:40:13,359 --> 02:40:15,040
having those related ties and may

3309
02:40:15,040 --> 02:40:16,800
already have those ties, have them do

3310
02:40:16,800 --> 02:40:18,000
the work.

3311
02:40:18,000 --> 02:40:20,560
>> And then my last point, I I promise this

3312
02:40:20,560 --> 02:40:23,359
is my last point. Um one of the things

3313
02:40:23,359 --> 02:40:25,680
you heard last week was focusing on the

3314
02:40:25,680 --> 02:40:27,359
needs of residents who are historically

3315
02:40:27,359 --> 02:40:30,399
underserved or hard to reach. Um

3316
02:40:30,399 --> 02:40:32,960
building that in even more would be

3317
02:40:32,960 --> 02:40:35,760
would would I think help

3318
02:40:35,760 --> 02:40:39,120
focus the proposal and also focus it on

3319
02:40:39,120 --> 02:40:41,600
what what the what we need.

3320
02:40:41,600 --> 02:40:43,520
>> Um but also it would really focus the

3321
02:40:43,520 --> 02:40:45,840
proposal to an area that we're already

3322
02:40:45,840 --> 02:40:47,040
committed to

3323
02:40:47,040 --> 02:40:53,600
>> in terms of racial equity and that might be a very nice um blend.

3324
02:40:53,600 --> 02:40:55,680
Um we sort of talked about that last

3325
02:40:55,680 --> 02:40:58,720
week. You especially you uh council

3326
02:40:58,720 --> 02:41:00,800
Hanzac um but but it didn't it didn't

3327
02:41:00,800 --> 02:41:03,520
quite get fleshed out. Um so thank you.

3328
02:41:03,520 --> 02:41:05,920
I'll let somebody else talk.

3329
02:41:05,920 --> 02:41:08,000
>> Thank you, Council Member Dybala.

3330
02:41:08,000 --> 02:41:09,840
Council member Hanzac,

3331
02:41:09,840 --> 02:41:13,520
>> thank you. Um, I feel I feel I'm

3332
02:41:13,520 --> 02:41:16,000
starting to feel more comfortable with

3333
02:41:16,000 --> 02:41:18,160
the direction of travel. So, I really

3334
02:41:18,160 --> 02:41:21,520
thank you for for hearing the council.

3335
02:41:21,520 --> 02:41:24,160
That means a lot to me to to feel heard.

3336
02:41:24,160 --> 02:41:26,240
in particular, and I particularly

3337
02:41:26,240 --> 02:41:28,479
appreciated your verbal articulation

3338
02:41:28,479 --> 02:41:31,920
just now about um because I was going to

3339
02:41:31,920 --> 02:41:34,399
compliment you, but I I like hearing you

3340
02:41:34,399 --> 02:41:39,760
say it in your own words. I I feel that message has resonated with you and

3341
02:41:39,760 --> 02:41:46,399
you've reflected on um the fact that it might not be very sustainable for

3342
02:41:46,399 --> 02:41:48,800
this person to be the outward-facing

3343
02:41:48,800 --> 02:41:52,160
presence. So, I I wasn't able to feel

3344
02:41:52,160 --> 02:41:56,560
that 100% in your other language, but

3345
02:41:56,560 --> 02:41:58,800
you've got it. That makes me feel more

3346
02:41:58,800 --> 02:42:01,359
comfortable. Um, and I think that that's

3347
02:42:01,359 --> 02:42:05,600
important. So, um I think that one one

3348
02:42:05,600 --> 02:42:07,680
way that the the verbiage and perhaps

3349
02:42:07,680 --> 02:42:10,080
the thought process could be tweaked to

3350
02:42:10,080 --> 02:42:12,880
make it even more effective, it would be

3351
02:42:12,880 --> 02:42:17,040
even more effective if some of the

3352
02:42:17,040 --> 02:42:19,040
outcomes that you've listed on your

3353
02:42:19,040 --> 02:42:24,000
slides were a little bit more

3354
02:42:24,000 --> 02:42:27,120
a little bit further along the pathway

3355
02:42:27,120 --> 02:42:31,280
of what I'd call deliverables to the

3356
02:42:31,280 --> 02:42:35,920
city. So um that so that so that the so

3357
02:42:35,920 --> 02:42:38,240
that the person who fills this role for

3358
02:42:38,240 --> 02:42:40,160
one thing is really clear and the people

3359
02:42:40,160 --> 02:42:42,479
who are engaging with them on staff

3360
02:42:42,479 --> 02:42:44,319
understand what is their mandate because

3361
02:42:44,319 --> 02:42:46,479
if we want sustainability we've got to

3362
02:42:46,479 --> 02:42:47,840
have a vision for what that's going to

3363
02:42:47,840 --> 02:42:50,000
look like. So I mean for one thing I

3364
02:42:50,000 --> 02:42:52,720
would I would maybe move point two up to

3365
02:42:52,720 --> 02:42:55,200
0.1 because you can't train city staff

3366
02:42:55,200 --> 02:42:57,359
before you've evaluated.

3367
02:42:57,359 --> 02:43:01,439
Um, so the evaluation process, I mean,

3368
02:43:01,439 --> 02:43:03,680
hope we I don't think it would be a good

3369
02:43:03,680 --> 02:43:07,760
use of resources personally for them to spend an excessive amount of time

3370
02:43:07,760 --> 02:43:09,520
doing an evaluation because I think all

3371
02:43:09,520 --> 02:43:11,680
of us would like to see the rubber hit

3372
02:43:11,680 --> 02:43:15,040
the road as much as possible. And as um,

3373
02:43:15,040 --> 02:43:19,840
manager Despir said, you know, we sorry

3374
02:43:19,840 --> 02:43:22,960
um we want to Sorry, that's distracting.

3375
02:43:22,960 --> 02:43:24,960
Um, there's some there was some radio

3376
02:43:24,960 --> 02:43:28,240
for those who can't hear. um um that we

3377
02:43:28,240 --> 02:43:32,080
would want to have the person really uh

3378
02:43:32,080 --> 02:43:34,399
look at look look at different metrics

3379
02:43:34,399 --> 02:43:36,080
maybe and and information we already

3380
02:43:36,080 --> 02:43:38,640
have to say maybe this is pragmatically

3381
02:43:38,640 --> 02:43:41,040
a you know a good place to start and not

3382
02:43:41,040 --> 02:43:42,399
a good place to start. we might want to

3383
02:43:42,399 --> 02:43:43,760
get rid of this and take that. But

3384
02:43:43,760 --> 02:43:45,600
anyway, so starting with the evaluation,

3385
02:43:45,600 --> 02:43:47,200
maybe even going department by

3386
02:43:47,200 --> 02:43:49,680
department, but where even within each

3387
02:43:49,680 --> 02:43:52,399
department, there could be some specific

3388
02:43:52,399 --> 02:43:55,040
metrics that this person can focus on

3389
02:43:55,040 --> 02:43:57,600
creating even for sort of like new

3390
02:43:57,600 --> 02:44:00,640
methods will be adopted by each

3391
02:44:00,640 --> 02:44:04,960
department to you know increase and

3392
02:44:04,960 --> 02:44:07,520
improve make their engagement reach

3393
02:44:07,520 --> 02:44:10,399
further to new audiences to reach at

3394
02:44:10,399 --> 02:44:14,800
least two new audiences to blah blah. you know, something where each

3395
02:44:14,800 --> 02:44:18,080
department holds some kind of um

3396
02:44:18,080 --> 02:44:20,319
tangible deliverables that they would be

3397
02:44:20,319 --> 02:44:22,160
working towards. Um, and I'm looking at

3398
02:44:22,160 --> 02:44:24,080
the cover sheet if that's by any chance

3399
02:44:24,080 --> 02:44:27,359
what you guys are discussing. Um,

3400
02:44:27,359 --> 02:44:31,840
and uh, and then also I I want to be

3401
02:44:31,840 --> 02:44:34,000
this is linguistics, but again, I think

3402
02:44:34,000 --> 02:44:35,520
it's really important that this person

3403
02:44:35,520 --> 02:44:38,000
has a strong mandate from upper level

3404
02:44:38,000 --> 02:44:40,640
management. Um, again it says, "Evaluate

3405
02:44:40,640 --> 02:44:42,880
the city's current engagement practices

3406
02:44:42,880 --> 02:44:46,319
with the community and suggest new and

3407
02:44:46,319 --> 02:44:48,880
improved methods." I I personally would

3408
02:44:48,880 --> 02:44:50,640
like to see this person go well beyond

3409
02:44:50,640 --> 02:44:54,319
suggesting. It would be recommending and

3410
02:44:54,319 --> 02:44:57,840
then supporting the institutionalization

3411
02:44:57,840 --> 02:45:02,720
of during this time period. And that is partially going to include

3412
02:45:02,720 --> 02:45:05,040
training. But I think if you had some

3413
02:45:05,040 --> 02:45:07,120
metrics around what that

3414
02:45:07,120 --> 02:45:09,120
institutionalization would look like and

3415
02:45:09,120 --> 02:45:10,800
that each department holds themsel

3416
02:45:10,800 --> 02:45:13,200
accountable to that that would go far to

3417
02:45:13,200 --> 02:45:15,359
helping this be more, you know, having

3418
02:45:15,359 --> 02:45:17,200
some meat on the bones and keeping the

3419
02:45:17,200 --> 02:45:18,640
person from spending too much of their

3420
02:45:18,640 --> 02:45:21,680
time um doing the evaluation part and

3421
02:45:21,680 --> 02:45:23,520
not doing not I mean you might for

3422
02:45:23,520 --> 02:45:25,680
example want them to create as they go

3423
02:45:25,680 --> 02:45:26,800
around to the community. I would think

3424
02:45:26,800 --> 02:45:29,279
your department might want to

3425
02:45:29,279 --> 02:45:31,680
uh have them create help you build out

3426
02:45:31,680 --> 02:45:34,640
your database, your address book for the

3427
02:45:34,640 --> 02:45:36,479
new community organizations. Who's the

3428
02:45:36,479 --> 02:45:38,960
point of contact? Naming that person,

3429
02:45:38,960 --> 02:45:40,960
what's the best way to reach them? I

3430
02:45:40,960 --> 02:45:43,279
mean, those would be work then that you

3431
02:45:43,279 --> 02:45:46,240
don't have to do later, I I would think

3432
02:45:46,240 --> 02:45:48,319
in your department that it may not exist

3433
02:45:48,319 --> 02:45:51,279
now. Um, and and very very tangible.

3434
02:45:51,279 --> 02:45:53,760
Anyway, so I I know those are not in the

3435
02:45:53,760 --> 02:45:55,680
form of questions, but that's my my

3436
02:45:55,680 --> 02:45:59,120
primary um my primary feedback and I

3437
02:45:59,120 --> 02:46:01,200
thank you also for putting the council

3438
02:46:01,200 --> 02:46:04,720
in. I think we can help refine that just

3439
02:46:04,720 --> 02:46:07,520
a little bit more maybe about um not

3440
02:46:07,520 --> 02:46:09,520
making it just that we're a sounding

3441
02:46:09,520 --> 02:46:12,880
board that we are a channel that you can

3442
02:46:12,880 --> 02:46:15,600
use a two-way channel um and figuring

3443
02:46:15,600 --> 02:46:17,520
out how to make leverage that uh

3444
02:46:17,520 --> 02:46:19,840
appropriately. [music] Thank you. Thank

3445
02:46:19,840 --> 02:46:21,200
you for your comments.

3446
02:46:21,200 --> 02:46:23,920
>> Uh, thank you, Council Member Hanzac.

3447
02:46:23,920 --> 02:46:26,399
Council Member Wesle,

3448
02:46:26,399 --> 02:46:28,479
>> thank you. Um, thank you so much for

3449
02:46:28,479 --> 02:46:31,600
this. Um, I just wanted to share my

3450
02:46:31,600 --> 02:46:34,160
perspective. I I I really appreciate

3451
02:46:34,160 --> 02:46:37,040
that it I can feel that this as a

3452
02:46:37,040 --> 02:46:39,920
position feels much more aligned with it

3453
02:46:39,920 --> 02:46:42,720
could be a shortterm thing. Um, I think

3454
02:46:42,720 --> 02:46:44,960
there's definitely a few places where

3455
02:46:44,960 --> 02:46:47,760
I'm not really sure where it would fit

3456
02:46:47,760 --> 02:46:51,680
into current staff. Um, particularly the

3457
02:46:51,680 --> 02:46:55,359
um, civic education programs, but it

3458
02:46:55,359 --> 02:46:57,760
might depend on what that is. But like,

3459
02:46:57,760 --> 02:46:59,359
you know, a lot of these I can kind of

3460
02:46:59,359 --> 02:47:03,040
think, okay, if our list goes from 50 to

3461
02:47:03,040 --> 02:47:05,680
75, that staff can manage that going

3462
02:47:05,680 --> 02:47:07,120
forward. You know what I mean? But if

3463
02:47:07,120 --> 02:47:10,319
it's some kind of new program,

3464
02:47:10,319 --> 02:47:12,800
who who is driving that that that feels

3465
02:47:12,800 --> 02:47:14,720
like more something that a staff person

3466
02:47:14,720 --> 02:47:21,279
needs to own. But um but generally I'm supportive of this and I think um

3467
02:47:21,279 --> 02:47:23,680
this could be a good way to kind of

3468
02:47:23,680 --> 02:47:27,279
improve what we're doing.

3469
02:47:27,279 --> 02:47:30,479
>> Thank you, Council Member Wesle. Um,

3470
02:47:30,479 --> 02:47:33,200
thank you so much uh for for the work

3471
02:47:33,200 --> 02:47:35,359
that you all have done um over the last

3472
02:47:35,359 --> 02:47:38,880
week or so to kind of clarify the role

3473
02:47:38,880 --> 02:47:41,600
um because one of the concerns I had was

3474
02:47:41,600 --> 02:47:43,600
I felt like we were kind of yo-yoing and

3475
02:47:43,600 --> 02:47:45,279
I understand that contractors can sit

3476
02:47:45,279 --> 02:47:48,560
alongside you and do work um alongside

3477
02:47:48,560 --> 02:47:50,720
you. Um

3478
02:47:50,720 --> 02:47:55,359
but um I do think that it is

3479
02:47:55,359 --> 02:47:58,000
in this particular case where the role

3480
02:47:58,000 --> 02:48:02,640
would be air quotes a new role um that

3481
02:48:02,640 --> 02:48:05,600
is only a temporary role but should have

3482
02:48:05,600 --> 02:48:07,279
a

3483
02:48:07,279 --> 02:48:09,600
longstanding

3484
02:48:09,600 --> 02:48:12,080
um work stream that's embedded

3485
02:48:12,080 --> 02:48:14,479
throughout our organization. It was

3486
02:48:14,479 --> 02:48:18,080
really hard for me conceptually to um to

3487
02:48:18,080 --> 02:48:21,120
have it so that it's just a two-year

3488
02:48:21,120 --> 02:48:23,520
contract term, but the person is doing

3489
02:48:23,520 --> 02:48:26,000
work that's similar to what a full-time

3490
02:48:26,000 --> 02:48:28,880
person would do. And so what would

3491
02:48:28,880 --> 02:48:30,800
happen after the fact? So I do think

3492
02:48:30,800 --> 02:48:32,560
that you all have have gone into the

3493
02:48:32,560 --> 02:48:35,359
contractor piece a little um more

3494
02:48:35,359 --> 02:48:37,920
strongly and I appreciate that. Um I

3495
02:48:37,920 --> 02:48:39,760
agree with council member Hanzac that

3496
02:48:39,760 --> 02:48:41,279
some of the things that are labeled as

3497
02:48:41,279 --> 02:48:45,120
deliverables are actual goals.

3498
02:48:45,120 --> 02:48:49,120
So um you know training city staff with

3499
02:48:49,120 --> 02:48:51,520
public facing roles on more meaningful

3500
02:48:51,520 --> 02:48:53,680
impactful engagement practices and

3501
02:48:53,680 --> 02:48:55,359
strategies. If someone's here for only

3502
02:48:55,359 --> 02:48:57,359
18 months how many trainings are you

3503
02:48:57,359 --> 02:48:59,760
expecting them to do? like is the goal

3504
02:48:59,760 --> 02:49:03,040
to hold at least five trainings over the

3505
02:49:03,040 --> 02:49:05,520
next 18 months on topics of their choice

3506
02:49:05,520 --> 02:49:08,720
or for them to develop a um a training

3507
02:49:08,720 --> 02:49:12,000
program and what that looks like. Um and

3508
02:49:12,000 --> 02:49:14,720
then the the goal or the I'm sorry the

3509
02:49:14,720 --> 02:49:16,880
outcomes I said goals it's outcomes the

3510
02:49:16,880 --> 02:49:18,720
outcomes of those trainings you hope

3511
02:49:18,720 --> 02:49:21,760
down the line is increase capacity for

3512
02:49:21,760 --> 02:49:23,520
effective interdep departmental

3513
02:49:23,520 --> 02:49:27,120
collaboration. So, your your your

3514
02:49:27,120 --> 02:49:29,359
consultant, your contractor would need

3515
02:49:29,359 --> 02:49:31,279
to know that part of their job is to

3516
02:49:31,279 --> 02:49:33,760
develop a training plan for staff. They

3517
02:49:33,760 --> 02:49:35,600
would need to get that thing together

3518
02:49:35,600 --> 02:49:37,120
pretty darn quick because you only got

3519
02:49:37,120 --> 02:49:39,279
18 months, get it approved by everybody

3520
02:49:39,279 --> 02:49:42,640
and actually start training folks. Um

3521
02:49:42,640 --> 02:49:45,200
the um

3522
02:49:45,200 --> 02:49:51,359
similarly um the um

3523
02:49:51,359 --> 02:49:53,680
identifying community organizations and

3524
02:49:53,680 --> 02:49:59,120
encourage participation. Um, so there's

3525
02:49:59,120 --> 02:50:01,840
one of the things that I do want us to

3526
02:50:01,840 --> 02:50:05,279
make sure um

3527
02:50:05,279 --> 02:50:08,880
that we are having this person do it

3528
02:50:08,880 --> 02:50:10,560
that we're not having them do and that

3529
02:50:10,560 --> 02:50:13,200
is put in a lot of time into an

3530
02:50:13,200 --> 02:50:15,840
infrastructure that already exists and

3531
02:50:15,840 --> 02:50:17,920
not devote enough time to creating

3532
02:50:17,920 --> 02:50:21,120
infrastructure that's missing. So you

3533
02:50:21,120 --> 02:50:24,720
have the um providers council which is

3534
02:50:24,720 --> 02:50:26,560
building up and we have lots of

3535
02:50:26,560 --> 02:50:28,560
nonprofit organizations within the city

3536
02:50:28,560 --> 02:50:30,319
that's constantly applying for our grant

3537
02:50:30,319 --> 02:50:32,000
programs and things like that. So we

3538
02:50:32,000 --> 02:50:34,240
have a clear avenue to direct people to

3539
02:50:34,240 --> 02:50:36,240
the providers council. what we don't

3540
02:50:36,240 --> 02:50:38,000
have a clear avenue to get people

3541
02:50:38,000 --> 02:50:40,000
engaged in and that is in our multif

3542
02:50:40,000 --> 02:50:42,800
family housing in um what was the

3543
02:50:42,800 --> 02:50:46,479
original kind of purpose um which is to

3544
02:50:46,479 --> 02:50:49,040
try to direct people and and kind of

3545
02:50:49,040 --> 02:50:51,760
building that social service safety net

3546
02:50:51,760 --> 02:50:53,359
within the community so that there's

3547
02:50:53,359 --> 02:50:55,279
points of entry where people can go. I

3548
02:50:55,279 --> 02:50:58,000
think the providers council can do that

3549
02:50:58,000 --> 02:50:59,840
because they often have these windows

3550
02:50:59,840 --> 02:51:01,840
and they can help with that. But I I

3551
02:51:01,840 --> 02:51:06,240
think it is also important that um

3552
02:51:06,240 --> 02:51:07,760
our

3553
02:51:07,760 --> 02:51:11,439
um staff like an HCD

3554
02:51:11,439 --> 02:51:15,680
um are also fully aware of and know how

3555
02:51:15,680 --> 02:51:18,800
to bring information in an engaged way

3556
02:51:18,800 --> 02:51:22,800
in into the um into the buildings or if

3557
02:51:22,800 --> 02:51:26,080
there's some other not providers council

3558
02:51:26,080 --> 02:51:29,040
but other type of entity like bringing

3559
02:51:29,040 --> 02:51:30,800
together leaders from various tenants

3560
02:51:30,800 --> 02:51:34,399
associations um and then using them like

3561
02:51:34,399 --> 02:51:37,600
just trying to encourage creativity

3562
02:51:37,600 --> 02:51:40,880
where it comes to gaps in information

3563
02:51:40,880 --> 02:51:43,279
like gaps in a network that we know we

3564
02:51:43,279 --> 02:51:45,600
need, right? So some of our our folks

3565
02:51:45,600 --> 02:51:48,800
that are tenant advocates and and um on

3566
02:51:48,800 --> 02:51:51,200
um boards and things, they do talk to

3567
02:51:51,200 --> 02:51:52,880
one another, but not all of them. And I

3568
02:51:52,880 --> 02:51:54,319
think it probably would be useful to

3569
02:51:54,319 --> 02:51:55,680
kind of bring them together so they have

3570
02:51:55,680 --> 02:51:57,120
a network and they kind of know one

3571
02:51:57,120 --> 02:51:58,720
another and they get information and

3572
02:51:58,720 --> 02:52:00,160
they can share and they can talk to one

3573
02:52:00,160 --> 02:52:02,479
another. Um but that would be an HCD

3574
02:52:02,479 --> 02:52:06,000
thing. So, I just want to make sure um

3575
02:52:06,000 --> 02:52:08,640
like this is a such as, but I I want to

3576
02:52:08,640 --> 02:52:12,479
make sure that we're not um when we're

3577
02:52:12,479 --> 02:52:14,080
talking about identifying and supporting

3578
02:52:14,080 --> 02:52:16,319
community organizations

3579
02:52:16,319 --> 02:52:20,000
um that we don't inadvertently continue

3580
02:52:20,000 --> 02:52:21,520
to

3581
02:52:21,520 --> 02:52:26,160
put a lot of the 18 months worth of time and

3582
02:52:26,160 --> 02:52:28,880
planning into organizations and networks

3583
02:52:28,880 --> 02:52:31,120
that are kind of already solidified, but

3584
02:52:31,120 --> 02:52:33,040
we make sure that there's some time that

3585
02:52:33,040 --> 02:52:35,920
this person has some time to really fill

3586
02:52:35,920 --> 02:52:38,160
the gap that we know is missing if that

3587
02:52:38,160 --> 02:52:38,720
makes sense.

3588
02:52:38,720 --> 02:52:40,880
>> Yeah. And actually um I think some

3589
02:52:40,880 --> 02:52:42,399
language that was in the previous

3590
02:52:42,399 --> 02:52:44,080
presentation that maybe hadn't hadn't

3591
02:52:44,080 --> 02:52:46,080
come over in the new scope is

3592
02:52:46,080 --> 02:52:48,399
identifying the gaps. Um that is

3593
02:52:48,399 --> 02:52:51,120
definitely a focus that we have um in

3594
02:52:51,120 --> 02:52:52,800
the original concept of the contractor.

3595
02:52:52,800 --> 02:52:54,080
So something that we can translate over

3596
02:52:54,080 --> 02:52:56,800
to the project scope. Yeah, I think that

3597
02:52:56,800 --> 02:53:00,399
would be really good just so that we can

3598
02:53:00,399 --> 02:53:02,399
make sure that we're not doing

3599
02:53:02,399 --> 02:53:04,399
unfortunately what we historically do.

3600
02:53:04,399 --> 02:53:06,560
People are organized. They know how to

3601
02:53:06,560 --> 02:53:08,240
reach us. They know how to come to the

3602
02:53:08,240 --> 02:53:09,920
meetings. Like the whole purpose of this

3603
02:53:09,920 --> 02:53:12,399
exercise was to really try to get to

3604
02:53:12,399 --> 02:53:14,080
those residents in our community that

3605
02:53:14,080 --> 02:53:17,439
are not engaged. Um and so we have to

3606
02:53:17,439 --> 02:53:19,040
figure out where those gaps are and

3607
02:53:19,040 --> 02:53:22,080
identify ways to engage them. um so that

3608
02:53:22,080 --> 02:53:24,399
we can get them to do things like be in

3609
02:53:24,399 --> 02:53:26,240
the education initiatives and things

3610
02:53:26,240 --> 02:53:28,800
like that. Um,

3611
02:53:28,800 --> 02:53:31,040
other than that, I think, you know, just

3612
02:53:31,040 --> 02:53:34,720
again taking a look at the deliverables

3613
02:53:34,720 --> 02:53:38,080
versus the outcomes and making sure that

3614
02:53:38,080 --> 02:53:39,205
we're not

3615
02:53:39,205 --> 02:53:39,359
>> [music]

3616
02:53:39,359 --> 02:53:43,040
>> um missing some of the missing some some

3617
02:53:43,040 --> 02:53:45,920
key aspects that were included in some

3618
02:53:45,920 --> 02:53:47,840
of the earlier materials that were

3619
02:53:47,840 --> 02:53:49,920
provided on the NLC goals of the program

3620
02:53:49,920 --> 02:53:51,600
and what you all were planning to do and

3621
02:53:51,600 --> 02:53:54,160
the purpose. Um, and just kind of think

3622
02:53:54,160 --> 02:53:56,080
about how you can turn that into

3623
02:53:56,080 --> 02:54:00,000
something that a contractor

3624
02:54:00,000 --> 02:54:03,359
with 18 months of technical assistance

3625
02:54:03,359 --> 02:54:06,319
could help us fill. And then the other

3626
02:54:06,319 --> 02:54:13,040
big piece is um because I agree that um

3627
02:54:13,040 --> 02:54:16,240
we're going to probably end this this

3628
02:54:16,240 --> 02:54:19,680
18month experience realizing we need

3629
02:54:19,680 --> 02:54:24,080
permanent help, right? Um, this 18

3630
02:54:24,080 --> 02:54:26,319
months will probably help us with

3631
02:54:26,319 --> 02:54:28,160
establishing the infrastructure for

3632
02:54:28,160 --> 02:54:29,840
whoever comes in. They're not going to

3633
02:54:29,840 --> 02:54:31,279
come in blind and have to build it

3634
02:54:31,279 --> 02:54:33,920
themselves. Ideally, it would be built.

3635
02:54:33,920 --> 02:54:35,680
Um,

3636
02:54:35,680 --> 02:54:37,359
it gives you 18 months to figure out

3637
02:54:37,359 --> 02:54:39,200
where how to shuffle [snorts] around FTE

3638
02:54:39,200 --> 02:54:41,680
if you want to bring one in, you know.

3639
02:54:41,680 --> 02:54:46,160
Um but it also um so I do think it is

3640
02:54:46,160 --> 02:54:47,760
important probably not for the

3641
02:54:47,760 --> 02:54:51,439
consultant to do but for for for you all

3642
02:54:51,439 --> 02:54:54,080
as managers of this effort to be

3643
02:54:54,080 --> 02:54:56,960
thinking about um how this may

3644
02:54:56,960 --> 02:55:00,800
ultimately lead to aspects of a a a

3645
02:55:00,800 --> 02:55:03,680
position where there's clear roles,

3646
02:55:03,680 --> 02:55:05,840
clear work, clear ongoing things that'll

3647
02:55:05,840 --> 02:55:08,160
need to be done and how you may need to

3648
02:55:08,160 --> 02:55:10,800
address that gap 18 months from now. I'm

3649
02:55:10,800 --> 02:55:13,120
going to continue to say it. We talked

3650
02:55:13,120 --> 02:55:16,319
many moons ago about having someone um

3651
02:55:16,319 --> 02:55:18,720
to work on like race equity to be our

3652
02:55:18,720 --> 02:55:21,840
race equity um staff person that would

3653
02:55:21,840 --> 02:55:24,800
be responsible for really trying to help

3654
02:55:24,800 --> 02:55:27,920
more with um how do we make sure that

3655
02:55:27,920 --> 02:55:30,240
our policies and our our work and our

3656
02:55:30,240 --> 02:55:32,640
efforts take that racial equity lens

3657
02:55:32,640 --> 02:55:34,960
including educating staff and convening

3658
02:55:34,960 --> 02:55:37,359
staff and working with engagement and

3659
02:55:37,359 --> 02:55:39,200
all of those things. There may be some

3660
02:55:39,200 --> 02:55:42,080
novel ways that once you kind of get to

3661
02:55:42,080 --> 02:55:43,600
the point where you realize some of the

3662
02:55:43,600 --> 02:55:44,960
things that need to happen in terms of

3663
02:55:44,960 --> 02:55:46,560
communication and how to fill gaps and

3664
02:55:46,560 --> 02:55:48,880
what's needed that you may then say, you

3665
02:55:48,880 --> 02:55:52,160
know what, h maybe we could piece

3666
02:55:52,160 --> 02:55:54,319
together a position that could solve

3667
02:55:54,319 --> 02:55:56,640
some of these two long-standing issues

3668
02:55:56,640 --> 02:56:01,920
that we've had as a city. One, how do we

3669
02:56:01,920 --> 02:56:03,920
engage more effectively? Because we do a

3670
02:56:03,920 --> 02:56:05,200
lot of outreach, we do a lot of

3671
02:56:05,200 --> 02:56:06,880
engagement. the question is just are we

3672
02:56:06,880 --> 02:56:08,000
hitting the right people at the right

3673
02:56:08,000 --> 02:56:09,920
time with the right information, right?

3674
02:56:09,920 --> 02:56:11,439
Um

3675
02:56:11,439 --> 02:56:13,760
and so you have that piece, but then we

3676
02:56:13,760 --> 02:56:18,160
also have the aspects of the need for

3677
02:56:18,160 --> 02:56:19,680
addressing

3678
02:56:19,680 --> 02:56:21,520
disparities

3679
02:56:21,520 --> 02:56:26,000
um across the board, language, race, all

3680
02:56:26,000 --> 02:56:27,840
of those things. And and how do those

3681
02:56:27,840 --> 02:56:31,040
two may come together and they might um

3682
02:56:31,040 --> 02:56:32,880
which then might also increase our

3683
02:56:32,880 --> 02:56:35,200
capacity in that other avenue as well.

3684
02:56:35,200 --> 02:56:36,880
Not trying to blow up your spot, just

3685
02:56:36,880 --> 02:56:39,040
saying that I think from looking at some

3686
02:56:39,040 --> 02:56:40,800
of this, it's going to naturally come

3687
02:56:40,800 --> 02:56:43,680
out. And so you may find yourself at the

3688
02:56:43,680 --> 02:56:45,600
end of 18 months realizing that you need

3689
02:56:45,600 --> 02:56:48,720
to fill a couple of gaps. And if and

3690
02:56:48,720 --> 02:56:51,200
again to the city manager figuring out

3691
02:56:51,200 --> 02:56:52,720
how to shuffle the decks in terms of

3692
02:56:52,720 --> 02:56:54,399
your FTE because I don't know if in 18

3693
02:56:54,399 --> 02:56:55,359
months we're going to be able to give

3694
02:56:55,359 --> 02:56:57,520
you an an increase. So you might need to

3695
02:56:57,520 --> 02:56:59,760
move some people around. Um but there

3696
02:56:59,760 --> 02:57:02,720
may ultimately um end up once this is

3697
02:57:02,720 --> 02:57:05,279
done with a really clear framework for

3698
02:57:05,279 --> 02:57:09,279
how um you can address some of our

3699
02:57:09,279 --> 02:57:11,840
engagement wos as well as potentially

3700
02:57:11,840 --> 02:57:13,600
building some internal capacity as it

3701
02:57:13,600 --> 02:57:17,429
relates to race equity.

3702
02:57:17,439 --> 02:57:20,000
So with that

3703
02:57:20,000 --> 02:57:22,000
I see any more hands. Okay I'm not

3704
02:57:22,000 --> 02:57:23,760
seeing any more hands. Um is there

3705
02:57:23,760 --> 02:57:25,520
anything I'm sorry I just I just talked

3706
02:57:25,520 --> 02:57:26,880
at you. I apologize.

3707
02:57:26,880 --> 02:57:29,120
>> No it's all good. No. So, um, next week

3708
02:57:29,120 --> 02:57:31,439
we'll come back with the revised, um,

3709
02:57:31,439 --> 02:57:34,560
resolution in scope. I do, um, there's a

3710
02:57:34,560 --> 02:57:36,560
couple points that I think I'd like to

3711
02:57:36,560 --> 02:57:40,160
run by city staff. Um, talking about

3712
02:57:40,160 --> 02:57:42,960
specifically the role or some of the

3713
02:57:42,960 --> 02:57:44,319
deliverables that will be specific to

3714
02:57:44,319 --> 02:57:47,920
departments. I think Council Hanzac, you mentioned this specifically. Um, I

3715
02:57:47,920 --> 02:57:49,680
think that might be a good thing that I

3716
02:57:49,680 --> 02:57:51,200
can bring up with our internal community

3717
02:57:51,200 --> 02:57:53,120
engagement working group. um and start

3718
02:57:53,120 --> 02:57:55,040
to think through, okay, if we get in a

3719
02:57:55,040 --> 02:57:56,880
contractor, what are some of the

3720
02:57:56,880 --> 02:57:58,720
specific department deliverables that we

3721
02:57:58,720 --> 02:58:01,760
can start to implement? Um I don't know

3722
02:58:01,760 --> 02:58:04,960
if I'll be able to get um a that group

3723
02:58:04,960 --> 02:58:07,359
together to discuss that in time for

3724
02:58:07,359 --> 02:58:09,279
next week, but it's one thing that we

3725
02:58:09,279 --> 02:58:10,640
will definitely take into consideration.

3726
02:58:10,640 --> 02:58:12,640
I just want to throw that out there.

3727
02:58:12,640 --> 02:58:14,240
>> Yeah, I think those are the things that

3728
02:58:14,240 --> 02:58:16,880
you need to worry about the specifics

3729
02:58:16,880 --> 02:58:18,560
when you're actually developing the

3730
02:58:18,560 --> 02:58:20,560
scope of work for your contract, right?

3731
02:58:20,560 --> 02:58:24,080
like as long as there are no gaps in

3732
02:58:24,080 --> 02:58:27,840
terms of the types generally types of

3733
02:58:27,840 --> 02:58:30,240
things that um the council would like to

3734
02:58:30,240 --> 02:58:33,680
make sure that the consultant does um in

3735
02:58:33,680 --> 02:58:35,600
the resolution you're fine if we don't

3736
02:58:35,600 --> 02:58:37,600
have specifically create this number of

3737
02:58:37,600 --> 02:58:39,120
reports and this number of trainings is

3738
02:58:39,120 --> 02:58:42,160
enough to say the idea is that they will

3739
02:58:42,160 --> 02:58:45,359
provide training and resources for staff

3740
02:58:45,359 --> 02:58:46,800
and that can kind of be a little bit

3741
02:58:46,800 --> 02:58:48,319
all-encompassing.

3742
02:58:48,319 --> 02:58:51,200
Um, Council Member Lamman,

3743
02:58:51,200 --> 02:58:53,200
>> sorry to come in late, Madame Mayor. Um,

3744
02:58:53,200 --> 02:58:55,680
yeah, I uh I think that you did a really

3745
02:58:55,680 --> 02:58:57,760
good job of capturing a lot of the

3746
02:58:57,760 --> 02:58:59,920
feedback that you did get. Um, and

3747
02:58:59,920 --> 02:59:01,520
there's a reference in here now to the

3748
02:59:01,520 --> 02:59:03,600
city council. I I'm not sure we belong

3749
02:59:03,600 --> 02:59:05,359
ahead of the city staff on the on the

3750
02:59:05,359 --> 02:59:08,240
draft whereas uh whereas clauses. That's

3751
02:59:08,240 --> 02:59:10,399
you know, my thought is that maybe that

3752
02:59:10,399 --> 02:59:13,200
was um excessively generous to us and

3753
02:59:13,200 --> 02:59:16,160
giving us top billing. But um I did as

3754
02:59:16,160 --> 02:59:18,960
listening to the comments today it I I I

3755
02:59:18,960 --> 02:59:20,640
realized that I was in my mind going

3756
02:59:20,640 --> 02:59:22,399
through all the different categories of

3757
02:59:22,399 --> 02:59:24,479
organizations, communities of faith,

3758
02:59:24,479 --> 02:59:26,720
mutual aid societies, um all different

3759
02:59:26,720 --> 02:59:28,640
kind and recreation department, all

3760
02:59:28,640 --> 02:59:31,760
these different volunteer groups and

3761
02:59:31,760 --> 02:59:33,840
civic engagement groups that are not

3762
02:59:33,840 --> 02:59:35,920
necessarily on front of mind for the

3763
02:59:35,920 --> 02:59:38,399
providers council, but that the city

3764
02:59:38,399 --> 02:59:40,880
council themselves may be able to make

3765
02:59:40,880 --> 02:59:44,080
suggestions to the contractor about And

3766
02:59:44,080 --> 02:59:48,319
so um in in determining what the the

3767
02:59:48,319 --> 02:59:50,240
field of play that that the mayor has

3768
02:59:50,240 --> 02:59:51,920
been talking about reaching the people

3769
02:59:51,920 --> 02:59:54,319
that are maybe not on our our normal uh

3770
02:59:54,319 --> 02:59:57,439
front burners. So, um I hope that when

3771
02:59:57,439 --> 02:59:59,600
this project gets underway that there

3772
02:59:59,600 --> 03:00:03,279
can be a special um moment given where

3773
03:00:03,279 --> 03:00:06,160
you kind of canvas the universe of of uh

3774
03:00:06,160 --> 03:00:08,640
knowledge and expertise here but also

3775
03:00:08,640 --> 03:00:11,439
among existing organizations that we f

3776
03:00:11,439 --> 03:00:14,000
fund, many of whom have those tentacles

3777
03:00:14,000 --> 03:00:16,880
out in the community to identify the

3778
03:00:16,880 --> 03:00:18,800
groups and help whoever comes in to do

3779
03:00:18,800 --> 03:00:20,880
this um to do a good job. And I will

3780
03:00:20,880 --> 03:00:23,279
mention that one of the things that I I

3781
03:00:23,279 --> 03:00:25,439
was um discussed with the staff in my

3782
03:00:25,439 --> 03:00:27,920
conversations with them is uh how

3783
03:00:27,920 --> 03:00:29,520
difficult it would be for a true

3784
03:00:29,520 --> 03:00:31,920
outsider to step in and really be the

3785
03:00:31,920 --> 03:00:34,720
one who finds those tentacles. Um and

3786
03:00:34,720 --> 03:00:36,399
maybe there's somebody on our city staff

3787
03:00:36,399 --> 03:00:38,399
or somebody in our community who is the

3788
03:00:38,399 --> 03:00:40,319
right kind of contractor for this

3789
03:00:40,319 --> 03:00:42,640
position. um and that it would really be

3790
03:00:42,640 --> 03:00:45,200
incredibly beneficial if the person or

3791
03:00:45,200 --> 03:00:47,600
entity that we find to do this already

3792
03:00:47,600 --> 03:00:50,399
has deep roots here and wouldn't have to

3793
03:00:50,399 --> 03:00:53,920
start by asking everybody now who is uh

3794
03:00:53,920 --> 03:00:56,000
Tacoma youth soccer soccer again or but

3795
03:00:56,000 --> 03:00:58,640
you know somebody who who uh would have

3796
03:00:58,640 --> 03:01:00,720
some knowledge coming into even though

3797
03:01:00,720 --> 03:01:02,800
they're a professional in this area.

3798
03:01:02,800 --> 03:01:03,760
Thank you.

3799
03:01:03,760 --> 03:01:06,240
>> Great. Thank you council member Lammond.

3800
03:01:06,240 --> 03:01:08,479
>> Okay, seeing no more lights on this one.

3801
03:01:08,479 --> 03:01:09,439
>> Thank you very much.

3802
03:01:09,439 --> 03:01:12,880
>> Thank you. All right.

3803
03:01:12,880 --> 03:01:16,880
Next item is the um resolution

3804
03:01:16,880 --> 03:01:18,960
committing to respective, constructive,

3805
03:01:18,960 --> 03:01:21,279
and dignified

3806
03:01:21,279 --> 03:01:23,520
uh is that what we're calling this now?

3807
03:01:23,520 --> 03:01:26,226
I thought we changed the title. Um and

3808
03:01:26,226 --> 03:01:26,800
[clears throat]

3809
03:01:26,800 --> 03:01:29,680
I don't know, I was writing late. Um and

3810
03:01:29,680 --> 03:01:32,080
dignified discourse. That's what it is.

3811
03:01:32,080 --> 03:01:36,399
Um, and so, uh, with with that, I'm

3812
03:01:36,399 --> 03:01:38,319
going to actually, um, hand things over

3813
03:01:38,319 --> 03:01:40,720
to Council Member Dybala. Yeah. Because

3814
03:01:40,720 --> 03:01:43,840
you've been serving on the NLC board,

3815
03:01:43,840 --> 03:01:47,840
um, to, um,

3816
03:01:47,840 --> 03:01:50,479
provide a little bit of of background

3817
03:01:50,479 --> 03:01:54,479
and rationale for for this resolution.

3818
03:01:54,479 --> 03:01:59,990
>> Yes. Thank you.

3819
03:02:00,000 --> 03:02:01,840
So, in the spring as a member of the

3820
03:02:01,840 --> 03:02:04,000
National League of Cities board, I

3821
03:02:04,000 --> 03:02:06,160
signed a civility pledge with the

3822
03:02:06,160 --> 03:02:08,560
National League of Cities. Um, and we

3823
03:02:08,560 --> 03:02:11,120
were each asked to bring that home and

3824
03:02:11,120 --> 03:02:14,160
adopt a resolution in our community. Um,

3825
03:02:14,160 --> 03:02:17,520
that is not the beginning of this, but

3826
03:02:17,520 --> 03:02:20,960
that's led more to what you have in

3827
03:02:20,960 --> 03:02:23,439
front of you now. Before that, you may

3828
03:02:23,439 --> 03:02:25,760
recall at the MML meeting, and some of

3829
03:02:25,760 --> 03:02:29,520
you went to the spring NLC meeting, um

3830
03:02:29,520 --> 03:02:34,720
several times around here, uh the um

3831
03:02:34,720 --> 03:02:36,399
there's been a there's been talk about

3832
03:02:36,399 --> 03:02:41,439
the a dignity index and the dignity um

3833
03:02:41,439 --> 03:02:44,240
resolutions that were that there um

3834
03:02:44,240 --> 03:02:45,840
Shrivever.

3835
03:02:45,840 --> 03:02:49,200
Um Mr. Tim, thank you. Get my candidates

3836
03:02:49,200 --> 03:02:52,800
mixed up. Um there's so many of them.

3837
03:02:52,800 --> 03:02:55,760
Okay. Tim Shrivever um has spoken

3838
03:02:55,760 --> 03:02:58,000
several times to different groups and I

3839
03:02:58,000 --> 03:02:59,520
think almost every one of us has heard

3840
03:02:59,520 --> 03:03:02,960
him at least once talking about the

3841
03:03:02,960 --> 03:03:04,479
importance

3842
03:03:04,479 --> 03:03:10,399
of civility and respect and dignity in

3843
03:03:10,399 --> 03:03:12,399
civic dialogue.

3844
03:03:12,399 --> 03:03:16,000
starting with the leaders such as us and

3845
03:03:16,000 --> 03:03:18,240
going out through the staff through the

3846
03:03:18,240 --> 03:03:20,319
committees through the residents all the

3847
03:03:20,319 --> 03:03:23,520
way through. Um and so those two things

3848
03:03:23,520 --> 03:03:26,720
have led to the presentation of the

3849
03:03:26,720 --> 03:03:28,880
draft resolution and thank you mayor for

3850
03:03:28,880 --> 03:03:31,600
doing the actual writing

3851
03:03:31,600 --> 03:03:34,000
um which is I understand modeled on one

3852
03:03:34,000 --> 03:03:36,479
of the dignity index samples that

3853
03:03:36,479 --> 03:03:39,920
National League of Cities uh sent to us.

3854
03:03:39,920 --> 03:03:42,560
Um

3855
03:03:42,560 --> 03:03:45,600
so I I think that a healthy democracy

3856
03:03:45,600 --> 03:03:47,600
especially at the local level thrives on

3857
03:03:47,600 --> 03:03:51,200
respect for the individual. Um and this

3858
03:03:51,200 --> 03:03:54,080
resolution to me is a commitment to

3859
03:03:54,080 --> 03:03:56,479
respectful to constructive and dignified

3860
03:03:56,479 --> 03:03:58,640
words and behaviors from each of us even

3861
03:03:58,640 --> 03:04:00,560
when we disagree and maybe especially

3862
03:04:00,560 --> 03:04:03,760
when we disagree. This to me is not

3863
03:04:03,760 --> 03:04:07,040
about whether we allow clapping or any

3864
03:04:07,040 --> 03:04:10,399
other kind of activity. It's not about

3865
03:04:10,399 --> 03:04:12,560
restricting the freedom of speech. It's

3866
03:04:12,560 --> 03:04:14,640
making freedom of speech possible for

3867
03:04:14,640 --> 03:04:16,240
all

3868
03:04:16,240 --> 03:04:19,359
um by showing respect for others views

3869
03:04:19,359 --> 03:04:21,439
even as we own exercise our own freedom

3870
03:04:21,439 --> 03:04:25,040
of speech in the public space. Um and I

3871
03:04:25,040 --> 03:04:26,240
think [clears throat] we all know it's

3872
03:04:26,240 --> 03:04:29,120
kind of in short supply these days. Uh

3873
03:04:29,120 --> 03:04:31,920
and in Tacoma Park as a leader in civic

3874
03:04:31,920 --> 03:04:34,479
in local democracy, I think we we we

3875
03:04:34,479 --> 03:04:39,600
must expect this of each other. Um so so

3876
03:04:39,600 --> 03:04:42,000
going back for a minute to to so this is

3877
03:04:42,000 --> 03:04:46,000
not new if you will. We've been talking

3878
03:04:46,000 --> 03:04:49,840
about this as a council uh since we met

3879
03:04:49,840 --> 03:04:52,240
for our retreat when we first all

3880
03:04:52,240 --> 03:04:55,279
started together. Um, it also it even

3881
03:04:55,279 --> 03:04:56,880
goes further back than that to the

3882
03:04:56,880 --> 03:04:58,560
previous council when we were talking

3883
03:04:58,560 --> 03:05:01,920
about enforcability of rules for

3884
03:05:01,920 --> 03:05:03,680
behavior and that didn't go anywhere

3885
03:05:03,680 --> 03:05:06,240
because just by the very statement of

3886
03:05:06,240 --> 03:05:12,560
we're going to enforce something that doesn't work. So, um, I hope that's

3887
03:05:12,560 --> 03:05:16,080
enough of an introduction to this topic

3888
03:05:16,080 --> 03:05:21,040
and um, for sure it's how I feel. Uh,

3889
03:05:21,040 --> 03:05:22,319
do you want to take it from me?

3890
03:05:22,319 --> 03:05:24,080
>> Sure. Sure. Thank you, Council Member

3891
03:05:24,080 --> 03:05:26,640
Dala. Um so the resolution that's before

3892
03:05:26,640 --> 03:05:32,319
you is a compilation of um goals that we

3893
03:05:32,319 --> 03:05:34,800
as a city have already committed to

3894
03:05:34,800 --> 03:05:38,240
previously or priorities [music] um city

3895
03:05:38,240 --> 03:05:39,920
processes

3896
03:05:39,920 --> 03:05:44,560
um NLC language in terms of um what they

3897
03:05:44,560 --> 03:05:49,279
were hoping that local um um local

3898
03:05:49,279 --> 03:05:51,680
jurisdictions would be able to

3899
03:05:51,680 --> 03:05:57,359
accomplish or or the challenge um and uh

3900
03:05:57,359 --> 03:06:01,600
draft language that the dignity index um

3901
03:06:01,600 --> 03:06:04,080
uh had put forward in terms of potential

3902
03:06:04,080 --> 03:06:05,680
resolutions that communities could

3903
03:06:05,680 --> 03:06:09,600
adopt. Um the whereas cl I'm sorry the

3904
03:06:09,600 --> 03:06:12,479
resolve clauses are designed to not just

3905
03:06:12,479 --> 03:06:17,359
be as it relates to um our council

3906
03:06:17,359 --> 03:06:19,359
meetings although there's there's some

3907
03:06:19,359 --> 03:06:21,439
emphasis on public meetings but we tried

3908
03:06:21,439 --> 03:06:24,319
to make it a little broader to include

3909
03:06:24,319 --> 03:06:27,279
community engagement at large. So how

3910
03:06:27,279 --> 03:06:30,560
can we make sure that we are encouraging

3911
03:06:30,560 --> 03:06:33,200
um so the first whereas is I'm sorry the

3912
03:06:33,200 --> 03:06:35,120
first resolve is we're reaffirming our

3913
03:06:35,120 --> 03:06:37,439
commitment to make sure that we're

3914
03:06:37,439 --> 03:06:40,720
upholding um our public meetings in a

3915
03:06:40,720 --> 03:06:43,439
manner that um upholds dignity, civility

3916
03:06:43,439 --> 03:06:46,080
and mutual respect. Um the second

3917
03:06:46,080 --> 03:06:48,000
whereas I'm sorry the second resolve I

3918
03:06:48,000 --> 03:06:49,920
keep saying whereas the second resolve

3919
03:06:49,920 --> 03:06:53,840
um is about making sure that it's all

3920
03:06:53,840 --> 03:06:56,160
meetings and other forms of community

3921
03:06:56,160 --> 03:06:58,960
engagement. Um so this may involve like

3922
03:06:58,960 --> 03:07:00,960
some some trainings or things of that

3923
03:07:00,960 --> 03:07:03,760
nature but um ensuring that elected

3924
03:07:03,760 --> 03:07:05,520
officials, staff, boards and commission

3925
03:07:05,520 --> 03:07:07,840
members and all others participating in

3926
03:07:07,840 --> 03:07:09,760
city meetings and other forms of

3927
03:07:09,760 --> 03:07:12,399
community engagement in public spaces

3928
03:07:12,399 --> 03:07:14,000
are encouraged to engage one another

3929
03:07:14,000 --> 03:07:16,319
with courtesy, listen in good faith,

3930
03:07:16,319 --> 03:07:18,080
express disagreement without personal

3931
03:07:18,080 --> 03:07:23,040
attacks. Um and then the um the fourth

3932
03:07:23,040 --> 03:07:25,120
resolve is that we're we're supporting

3933
03:07:25,120 --> 03:07:28,240
governance practices. um that promote

3934
03:07:28,240 --> 03:07:30,240
communicative dialogue, clear

3935
03:07:30,240 --> 03:07:32,800
expectations for participation if fair,

3936
03:07:32,800 --> 03:07:35,359
consistent um enforcement of rules of

3937
03:07:35,359 --> 03:07:37,680
decorum. And then the [music] last

3938
03:07:37,680 --> 03:07:43,279
resolve um is that the city um will um

3939
03:07:43,279 --> 03:07:45,279
re really affirms and I think this is

3940
03:07:45,279 --> 03:07:47,840
really important. So I think sometimes

3941
03:07:47,840 --> 03:07:51,040
um there is this misinterpretation

3942
03:07:51,040 --> 03:07:55,520
that um enforcing rules of decorum means

3943
03:07:55,520 --> 03:07:58,720
that you are suppressing debate. And so

3944
03:07:58,720 --> 03:08:00,720
um wanted to make sure that the last

3945
03:08:00,720 --> 03:08:04,240
resolve made it clear that um it's okay

3946
03:08:04,240 --> 03:08:06,960
to debate. It's okay to differ in

3947
03:08:06,960 --> 03:08:10,800
viewpoints um but just do them in a way

3948
03:08:10,800 --> 03:08:15,040
um that is um respectful, civil, and you

3949
03:08:15,040 --> 03:08:17,920
know continues to strengthen um both the

3950
03:08:17,920 --> 03:08:20,160
public trust and the democratic

3951
03:08:20,160 --> 03:08:24,160
governance. And so, um, this is not to

3952
03:08:24,160 --> 03:08:28,240
be the the, um,

3953
03:08:28,240 --> 03:08:31,279
uh, the clap police, so to speak, but it

3954
03:08:31,279 --> 03:08:35,439
is to, um, just reaffirm as a council

3955
03:08:35,439 --> 03:08:39,840
that we are, um, encouraging and and

3956
03:08:39,840 --> 03:08:42,479
will enforce rules of decorum in public

3957
03:08:42,479 --> 03:08:45,359
meetings. that we're asking our staff,

3958
03:08:45,359 --> 03:08:48,399
our boards and commission members to

3959
03:08:48,399 --> 03:08:52,160
also um enforce rules of decorum and the

3960
03:08:52,160 --> 03:08:56,800
public as well um to ensure that it is

3961
03:08:56,800 --> 03:09:00,720
um a welcoming engagement for um

3962
03:09:00,720 --> 03:09:03,520
everyone involved and and so that's the

3963
03:09:03,520 --> 03:09:08,000
whole purpose of this resolution um to

3964
03:09:08,000 --> 03:09:11,359
really just reinforce um there may be a

3965
03:09:11,359 --> 03:09:13,120
need. I think I kind of see this

3966
03:09:13,120 --> 03:09:16,080
resolution as like a a a starting point

3967
03:09:16,080 --> 03:09:18,720
because um it may become one of those

3968
03:09:18,720 --> 03:09:23,120
things where we start to um to uh Ryan's

3969
03:09:23,120 --> 03:09:25,600
presentation. You know, if this is

3970
03:09:25,600 --> 03:09:27,439
something that we are pushing as a

3971
03:09:27,439 --> 03:09:29,760
council, then when you're talking about

3972
03:09:29,760 --> 03:09:32,800
community engagement, that becomes one

3973
03:09:32,800 --> 03:09:35,520
of the driving factors. Okay, how can we

3974
03:09:35,520 --> 03:09:38,399
make sure that we uphold civility

3975
03:09:38,399 --> 03:09:40,319
decorum? what are some engagement

3976
03:09:40,319 --> 03:09:42,960
practices we may want to adopt

3977
03:09:42,960 --> 03:09:45,279
especially when we have topics or when

3978
03:09:45,279 --> 03:09:46,960
we're discussing topics that can be

3979
03:09:46,960 --> 03:09:49,520
contentious and people can get heated.

3980
03:09:49,520 --> 03:09:51,680
Um so what are some tips and tricks that

3981
03:09:51,680 --> 03:09:54,560
we as a council or our staff may need to

3982
03:09:54,560 --> 03:09:58,399
know as ways to try to through the

3983
03:09:58,399 --> 03:10:01,920
engagement forum itself deescalate what

3984
03:10:01,920 --> 03:10:05,279
could be um uh contentious topics but

3985
03:10:05,279 --> 03:10:08,720
still allow for and encourage debate.

3986
03:10:08,720 --> 03:10:11,600
Um, so, uh,

3987
03:10:11,600 --> 03:10:14,000
>> are you looking for a motion?

3988
03:10:14,000 --> 03:10:15,680
>> No, we're we're voting on this next

3989
03:10:15,680 --> 03:10:16,399
week.

3990
03:10:16,399 --> 03:10:19,279
>> Oh, [laughter]

3991
03:10:19,279 --> 03:10:19,920
>> never mind.

3992
03:10:19,920 --> 03:10:21,920
>> So, with that, if folks wouldn't mind if

3993
03:10:21,920 --> 03:10:23,760
you take a look, if you have any edits,

3994
03:10:23,760 --> 03:10:26,960
thoughts, concerns, uh, please let me

3995
03:10:26,960 --> 03:10:29,439
know. Uh, also, please let council

3996
03:10:29,439 --> 03:10:31,920
member Dala copy both of us on it

3997
03:10:31,920 --> 03:10:33,600
because I will be traveling over the

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03:10:33,600 --> 03:10:35,200
weekend.

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03:10:35,200 --> 03:10:36,560
All

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03:10:36,560 --> 03:10:38,080
right. Any questions, thoughts,

4001
03:10:38,080 --> 03:10:40,399
concerns?

4002
03:10:40,399 --> 03:10:43,120
Uh, Council Member Hanzach,

4003
03:10:43,120 --> 03:10:46,319
>> I just wanted to express my very strong

4004
03:10:46,319 --> 03:10:48,800
um support of [music] us moving in this

4005
03:10:48,800 --> 03:10:52,800
direction. Uh, I think council council

4006
03:10:52,800 --> 03:10:55,439
member um Dybala and I were on a

4007
03:10:55,439 --> 03:10:57,840
committee on committees that had been

4008
03:10:57,840 --> 03:11:00,240
discussing some of this for a while. I

4009
03:11:00,240 --> 03:11:03,840
had the uh privilege like many of my

4010
03:11:03,840 --> 03:11:06,319
colleagues sitting here of attending the

4011
03:11:06,319 --> 03:11:08,080
Maryland Municipal League meeting at

4012
03:11:08,080 --> 03:11:09,840
which we got a full review of the

4013
03:11:09,840 --> 03:11:14,800
dignity index and I thought wow this is really something neat. What's

4014
03:11:14,800 --> 03:11:18,080
that? Yes, the dignity index which I am

4015
03:11:18,080 --> 03:11:20,000
holding here. I I was I was in the back

4016
03:11:20,000 --> 03:11:21,600
for a second. So did you speak about

4017
03:11:21,600 --> 03:11:24,080
this already? You did, right? Yeah.

4018
03:11:24,080 --> 03:11:26,319
So I mean I would love to see this

4019
03:11:26,319 --> 03:11:30,560
on the wall frankly. Uh I think that it

4020
03:11:30,560 --> 03:11:33,520
is very clear to me and I'm sure to many

4021
03:11:33,520 --> 03:11:36,560
of those who are listening that our

4022
03:11:36,560 --> 03:11:39,840
country has fallen by the wayside in

4023
03:11:39,840 --> 03:11:41,760
terms of leadership all across the board

4024
03:11:41,760 --> 03:11:44,479
up and down everywhere you look. Uh my

4025
03:11:44,479 --> 03:11:47,200
children my children one of whom is 20

4026
03:11:47,200 --> 03:11:48,960
of whom is 16 and one of whom is nine

4027
03:11:48,960 --> 03:11:51,120
have told me they don't remember a time

4028
03:11:51,120 --> 03:11:53,520
when people were civil with one another.

4029
03:11:53,520 --> 03:11:55,120
They don't think that leadership looks

4030
03:11:55,120 --> 03:11:57,600
like that. So, you know, it tells me a

4031
03:11:57,600 --> 03:12:00,000
lot about the education that we have an

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03:12:00,000 --> 03:12:07,680
obligation to do. And um you know, I think this is a great step in the

4033
03:12:07,680 --> 03:12:10,160
right direction. And I struggle with the

4034
03:12:10,160 --> 03:12:15,120
balance of um how do we give it teeth,

4035
03:12:15,120 --> 03:12:18,160
if you will, without suppressing freedom

4036
03:12:18,160 --> 03:12:20,240
of speech in any kind of way, which is

4037
03:12:20,240 --> 03:12:22,000
always the tension that exists in a

4038
03:12:22,000 --> 03:12:25,840
democracy. Um but uh I think if we at

4039
03:12:25,840 --> 03:12:28,960
least affirm our intention,

4040
03:12:28,960 --> 03:12:31,920
our values through a resolution or

4041
03:12:31,920 --> 03:12:36,080
pledge such as this, we begin to open

4042
03:12:36,080 --> 03:12:39,920
that door to asking ourselves those

4043
03:12:39,920 --> 03:12:42,880
important questions when the questions

4044
03:12:42,880 --> 03:12:46,160
come up. um when we have that

4045
03:12:46,160 --> 03:12:49,920
conversation about the clap, about the

4046
03:12:49,920 --> 03:12:51,920
rules of decorum,

4047
03:12:51,920 --> 03:12:54,720
about whether or not uh council member

4048
03:12:54,720 --> 03:12:56,960
Schlaggel, you said, you know, are we

4049
03:12:56,960 --> 03:12:59,600
holding I'm the worst. I talk a lot. Um

4050
03:12:59,600 --> 03:13:01,439
you know, have I gone over my three

4051
03:13:01,439 --> 03:13:04,479
minutes? Am I therefore dishonoring, you

4052
03:13:04,479 --> 03:13:07,600
know, everybody's time? And so I think I

4053
03:13:07,600 --> 03:13:09,840
think all of us have to be mindful and

4054
03:13:09,840 --> 03:13:13,600
it's helpful to have nudges and um and

4055
03:13:13,600 --> 03:13:16,240
agreements to discuss those in a civil

4056
03:13:16,240 --> 03:13:18,160
and constructive manner and remind

4057
03:13:18,160 --> 03:13:20,319
ourselves when we think that somebody's

4058
03:13:20,319 --> 03:13:24,640
not doing that to and and I I would I

4059
03:13:24,640 --> 03:13:27,359
would like us to go so far as to talk

4060
03:13:27,359 --> 03:13:30,319
about what that looks like. What does a

4061
03:13:30,319 --> 03:13:33,279
reprimand look like? What should it

4062
03:13:33,279 --> 03:13:36,319
sound like when we think that someone

4063
03:13:36,319 --> 03:13:39,040
has violated what [music] are genuine

4064
03:13:39,040 --> 03:13:40,880
rules of decorum? What does it look like

4065
03:13:40,880 --> 03:13:43,520
in the social media space? What does it

4066
03:13:43,520 --> 03:13:45,279
look like on list serves? What does it

4067
03:13:45,279 --> 03:13:47,120
look like when we hear that our youth

4068
03:13:47,120 --> 03:13:48,720
council doesn't want to come before us?

4069
03:13:48,720 --> 03:13:52,160
What happened there? Um, you know, um,

4070
03:13:52,160 --> 03:13:55,520
we we really have to think about what

4071
03:13:55,520 --> 03:13:59,120
reprimanding looks like or allyship or

4072
03:13:59,120 --> 03:14:00,800
something.

4073
03:14:00,800 --> 03:14:01,760
I get a step.

4074
03:14:01,760 --> 03:14:05,439
>> Thank you. Council member um Hanzac,

4075
03:14:05,439 --> 03:14:08,720
Council Member Lanman.

4076
03:14:08,720 --> 03:14:10,880
>> Did you want It seemed like you might

4077
03:14:10,880 --> 03:14:11,600
want to be

4078
03:14:11,600 --> 03:14:13,359
>> I just wanted to say briefly, can we

4079
03:14:13,359 --> 03:14:17,680
take this one step at a time um

4080
03:14:17,680 --> 03:14:20,160
do this then talk about reprimanding

4081
03:14:20,160 --> 03:14:22,319
which as car council council member

4082
03:14:22,319 --> 03:14:24,640
Hanzac knows involves the city code and

4083
03:14:24,640 --> 03:14:25,920
a whole bunch of other complicated

4084
03:14:25,920 --> 03:14:27,760
things. Thank you.

4085
03:14:27,760 --> 03:14:29,520
>> Thank you council member Dybala. Council

4086
03:14:29,520 --> 03:14:31,040
member Lamman.

4087
03:14:31,040 --> 03:14:36,000
>> Um I very respectfully um just want to

4088
03:14:36,000 --> 03:14:39,439
say that um I do not think that I'm

4089
03:14:39,439 --> 03:14:42,800
going to be supporting this um this

4090
03:14:42,800 --> 03:14:46,000
resolution. Um and I I very much

4091
03:14:46,000 --> 03:14:47,439
appreciate the spirit in which it was

4092
03:14:47,439 --> 03:14:49,200
offered by Council Member Dala. We've

4093
03:14:49,200 --> 03:14:52,080
talked about the dignity index. Um and

4094
03:14:52,080 --> 03:14:55,760
um I understand that concept. Um I think

4095
03:14:55,760 --> 03:14:59,040
that first off uh I just want to flag

4096
03:14:59,040 --> 03:15:02,880
that we really we have a very um simply

4097
03:15:02,880 --> 03:15:06,080
and clearly worded decorum rule that

4098
03:15:06,080 --> 03:15:08,560
I'll quote those present at council

4099
03:15:08,560 --> 03:15:10,399
meetings shall respectfully permit

4100
03:15:10,399 --> 03:15:12,640
speakers to express their opinions

4101
03:15:12,640 --> 03:15:18,560
without interruption. And I think that gives us um really sort of a clear

4102
03:15:18,560 --> 03:15:20,880
way of indicating that people should be

4103
03:15:20,880 --> 03:15:22,399
allowed to express their opinions. I

4104
03:15:22,399 --> 03:15:24,479
mean, Madame Mayor, you mentioned this

4105
03:15:24,479 --> 03:15:26,319
is not to be the clap police, so to

4106
03:15:26,319 --> 03:15:28,560
speak, and I like that phrase, clap

4107
03:15:28,560 --> 03:15:32,080
police. I understand. Um the the reason

4108
03:15:32,080 --> 03:15:34,800
I the reason I find it problematic to be

4109
03:15:34,800 --> 03:15:36,960
looking at a resolution right now on

4110
03:15:36,960 --> 03:15:39,359
this topic is that we have had a lot of

4111
03:15:39,359 --> 03:15:41,840
attention paid in this city council in

4112
03:15:41,840 --> 03:15:44,239
the last couple of months to the that

4113
03:15:44,239 --> 03:15:47,600
whole clap police issue and people feel

4114
03:15:47,600 --> 03:15:50,080
passionately about the things that they

4115
03:15:50,080 --> 03:15:53,920
are here to talk about often um and um

4116
03:15:53,920 --> 03:15:56,319
feel that that we are trampling on their

4117
03:15:56,319 --> 03:15:59,279
ability to express themselves when we um

4118
03:15:59,279 --> 03:16:01,120
try and silence them except for the

4119
03:16:01,120 --> 03:16:02,800
three minutes that they're at the podium

4120
03:16:02,800 --> 03:16:05,040
and even, you know, talk about not

4121
03:16:05,040 --> 03:16:08,239
having signs or waving hands or or, you

4122
03:16:08,239 --> 03:16:11,279
know, um and expressions of of opinion

4123
03:16:11,279 --> 03:16:13,920
like that. Um I think it has it has

4124
03:16:13,920 --> 03:16:17,040
pushed the envelope too far. uh and and

4125
03:16:17,040 --> 03:16:19,040
therefore I think the timing is wrong

4126
03:16:19,040 --> 03:16:22,720
for us to be um

4127
03:16:22,720 --> 03:16:25,760
reasserting our intention to be looking

4128
03:16:25,760 --> 03:16:29,200
at um fair consistent enforcement of

4129
03:16:29,200 --> 03:16:31,040
rules of decorum. That's not language

4130
03:16:31,040 --> 03:16:34,160
that I think is welcome in this

4131
03:16:34,160 --> 03:16:36,160
community right now when people have

4132
03:16:36,160 --> 03:16:39,920
felt um that their ability to simply

4133
03:16:39,920 --> 03:16:42,479
express themselves courteously

4134
03:16:42,479 --> 03:16:47,040
um has been uh challenged. So I I feel

4135
03:16:47,040 --> 03:16:49,040
that this meeting is run by you

4136
03:16:49,040 --> 03:16:54,319
generally, madame merit with decorum in and consistent with the rules that we

4137
03:16:54,319 --> 03:16:57,680
have on the books now. And and I just

4138
03:16:57,680 --> 03:17:02,000
think that um uh that this is a little

4139
03:17:02,000 --> 03:17:05,520
bit too um

4140
03:17:05,520 --> 03:17:08,640
uh I don't know uh

4141
03:17:08,640 --> 03:17:11,520
it it it impinges too far on people's

4142
03:17:11,520 --> 03:17:14,560
feeling that they should be welcome to

4143
03:17:14,560 --> 03:17:16,319
express themselves with passion about

4144
03:17:16,319 --> 03:17:18,800
things that are important to them. So it

4145
03:17:18,800 --> 03:17:21,359
is with great respect but that's my view

4146
03:17:21,359 --> 03:17:23,200
as to whether this is needed right now.

4147
03:17:23,200 --> 03:17:23,920
Thank you.

4148
03:17:23,920 --> 03:17:25,760
>> Point of order.

4149
03:17:25,760 --> 03:17:27,680
Um, council member Wesley,

4150
03:17:27,680 --> 03:17:29,359
>> I I just wanted to ask a clarifying

4151
03:17:29,359 --> 03:17:30,720
question of council member Landman

4152
03:17:30,720 --> 03:17:33,760
because you referenced that this says

4153
03:17:33,760 --> 03:17:37,840
fair and consistent decorum.

4154
03:17:37,840 --> 03:17:40,399
It was some phrase like that and I I

4155
03:17:40,399 --> 03:17:41,040
wanted to

4156
03:17:41,040 --> 03:17:42,720
>> I'm quoting from the second to last

4157
03:17:42,720 --> 03:17:45,200
paragraph of the resolution which says

4158
03:17:45,200 --> 03:17:45,840
whereas

4159
03:17:45,840 --> 03:17:48,399
>> clear expectations for participation and

4160
03:17:48,399 --> 03:17:50,880
fair consistent enforcement of rules of

4161
03:17:50,880 --> 03:17:52,239
decorum. That's what I was citing.

4162
03:17:52,239 --> 03:17:55,600
>> That's what I wanted to know. Thank you.

4163
03:17:55,600 --> 03:18:02,309
Uh, council member Schlaggel.

4164
03:18:02,319 --> 03:18:04,560
» Thank you.

4165
03:18:04,560 --> 03:18:06,880
Uh, just very briefly, [music]

4166
03:18:06,880 --> 03:18:11,920
I think that we all want to encourage

4167
03:18:11,920 --> 03:18:15,359
a positive kind of participation and

4168
03:18:15,359 --> 03:18:18,160
deep listening from everybody at all

4169
03:18:18,160 --> 03:18:22,160
kinds of meetings and outreach and

4170
03:18:22,160 --> 03:18:23,840
things like that.

4171
03:18:23,840 --> 03:18:26,239
Um, and I think we will need to be

4172
03:18:26,239 --> 03:18:29,120
thinking about whether a resolution

4173
03:18:29,120 --> 03:18:33,359
is a strong way to encourage that or

4174
03:18:33,359 --> 03:18:36,720
whether other ways to do whatever

4175
03:18:36,720 --> 03:18:40,800
culture change seems to be needed. Um, I

4176
03:18:40,800 --> 03:18:43,520
do have a question about how how big the

4177
03:18:43,520 --> 03:18:47,600
problem is and maybe us sharing some

4178
03:18:47,600 --> 03:18:50,560
stories with each other would help me to

4179
03:18:50,560 --> 03:18:52,720
understand more.

4180
03:18:52,720 --> 03:18:55,920
um where our local community seems to be

4181
03:18:55,920 --> 03:18:58,800
mirroring things going on on the

4182
03:18:58,800 --> 03:19:01,200
national level.

4183
03:19:01,200 --> 03:19:04,479
Um my other thought is just about that

4184
03:19:04,479 --> 03:19:07,279
word civility. I have to think hard when

4185
03:19:07,279 --> 03:19:09,840
I see the word civility.

4186
03:19:09,840 --> 03:19:14,239
Um, I remember studying the Greensboro

4187
03:19:14,239 --> 03:19:18,239
uh lunch counter sitting and how when

4188
03:19:18,239 --> 03:19:21,920
this coalition of students from

4189
03:19:21,920 --> 03:19:26,319
um North Carolina ENT and church

4190
03:19:26,319 --> 03:19:29,279
leaders, civil rights leaders, when they

4191
03:19:29,279 --> 03:19:31,600
approached the quote unquote city

4192
03:19:31,600 --> 03:19:33,200
fathers

4193
03:19:33,200 --> 03:19:35,520
and said, "These are the things we want

4194
03:19:35,520 --> 03:19:38,880
to see changed." The city father said,

4195
03:19:38,880 --> 03:19:40,800
"Well, it's it's great that you want

4196
03:19:40,800 --> 03:19:43,439
that, but you're being univil in the way

4197
03:19:43,439 --> 03:19:46,319
you make these requests." That the

4198
03:19:46,319 --> 03:19:49,279
actual title of the book that that

4199
03:19:49,279 --> 03:19:52,479
concerned the whole incident over two or

4200
03:19:52,479 --> 03:19:54,640
three years was called civility and

4201
03:19:54,640 --> 03:19:58,960
civil rights in in in Greensboro.

4202
03:19:58,960 --> 03:20:03,120
And so civility is something that in the

4203
03:20:03,120 --> 03:20:05,600
abstract we all

4204
03:20:05,600 --> 03:20:07,920
love the idea

4205
03:20:07,920 --> 03:20:12,239
but civility can be defined differently

4206
03:20:12,239 --> 03:20:15,200
in different contexts by different

4207
03:20:15,200 --> 03:20:19,600
people and in different cultures. So

4208
03:20:19,600 --> 03:20:21,840
there's always a risk when you say we

4209
03:20:21,840 --> 03:20:24,479
are fully committed to civility that at

4210
03:20:24,479 --> 03:20:27,840
some point in the future someone may say

4211
03:20:27,840 --> 03:20:29,359
well on the grounds of our full

4212
03:20:29,359 --> 03:20:31,920
commitment to civility you are not

4213
03:20:31,920 --> 03:20:33,840
permitted to participate in this

4214
03:20:33,840 --> 03:20:38,790
discourse.

4215
03:20:38,800 --> 03:20:41,840
» Thank you Council Member Schlaggel.

4216
03:20:41,840 --> 03:20:45,439
Council member Dybala. Um, yeah, I was

4217
03:20:45,439 --> 03:20:48,720
looking for the section of the council

4218
03:20:48,720 --> 03:20:50,239
resolution

4219
03:20:50,239 --> 03:20:52,880
from 2022, the our meetings and

4220
03:20:52,880 --> 03:20:54,399
procedures

4221
03:20:54,399 --> 03:20:58,720
um to but I didn't find it quick enough.

4222
03:20:58,720 --> 03:21:01,520
Um,

4223
03:21:01,520 --> 03:21:04,479
I appreciate what uh what council member

4224
03:21:04,479 --> 03:21:13,920
Lman and and Schlaggel are saying. I find it difficult to accept that

4225
03:21:13,920 --> 03:21:16,560
a resolution asking us all to be

4226
03:21:16,560 --> 03:21:19,439
respectful of each other is somehow

4227
03:21:19,439 --> 03:21:22,880
being confused with stifling people's

4228
03:21:22,880 --> 03:21:26,880
passion. It is not this I'm going to re

4229
03:21:26,880 --> 03:21:28,880
I'm going to say it again. This is not

4230
03:21:28,880 --> 03:21:31,840
about what is allowed or not allowed.

4231
03:21:31,840 --> 03:21:34,479
This is a this is about when I speak

4232
03:21:34,479 --> 03:21:38,239
with passion, when I speak forcefully

4233
03:21:38,239 --> 03:21:41,520
and emphatically about my position that

4234
03:21:41,520 --> 03:21:44,640
I am not at the same time undermining

4235
03:21:44,640 --> 03:21:47,040
you.

4236
03:21:47,040 --> 03:21:48,720
I don't know how else to say it. It's

4237
03:21:48,720 --> 03:21:51,359
not about my position. It's about

4238
03:21:51,359 --> 03:21:53,359
everybody else in the room, everybody

4239
03:21:53,359 --> 03:21:56,080
else in the community.

4240
03:21:56,080 --> 03:21:59,120
Um I hope that work. Yeah. Let's let's

4241
03:21:59,120 --> 03:22:00,640
just read this one more time with

4242
03:22:00,640 --> 03:22:03,760
feeling. Thank you. Um if we can because

4243
03:22:03,760 --> 03:22:07,590
it's so small,

4244
03:22:07,600 --> 03:22:12,479
uh I will simply refer people to section

4245
03:22:12,479 --> 03:22:16,550
2.17

4246
03:22:16,560 --> 03:22:18,080
2.165

4247
03:22:18,080 --> 03:22:20,640
and I um I will copy it and send it

4248
03:22:20,640 --> 03:22:22,640
around at this hour. It's getting a

4249
03:22:22,640 --> 03:22:24,479
little bit much to be reading this aloud

4250
03:22:24,479 --> 03:22:26,160
so that everybody on the council can

4251
03:22:26,160 --> 03:22:28,720
take a look at what we already have in

4252
03:22:28,720 --> 03:22:30,880
our procedures and how this may

4253
03:22:30,880 --> 03:22:34,479
supplement or in any way unintentionally

4254
03:22:34,479 --> 03:22:37,200
differ. Um, thank you.

4255
03:22:37,200 --> 03:22:38,960
>> Thank you, Council Member Dala. Council

4256
03:22:38,960 --> 03:22:42,150
member Wesley.

4257
03:22:42,160 --> 03:22:44,479
» Thank you.

4258
03:22:44,479 --> 03:22:47,590
Um,

4259
03:22:47,600 --> 03:22:50,239
I wanted to start by saying that um, I

4260
03:22:50,239 --> 03:22:52,640
agree with Council Member Schlaggel that

4261
03:22:52,640 --> 03:22:54,960
uh, the word civility has always kind of

4262
03:22:54,960 --> 03:22:56,640
felt

4263
03:22:56,640 --> 03:23:00,319
off to me. Um, and kind of emphasizing

4264
03:23:00,319 --> 03:23:02,080
the wrong things, whereas words like

4265
03:23:02,080 --> 03:23:06,479
dignity and respect um,

4266
03:23:06,479 --> 03:23:09,520
resonate a lot more with me. Um, which

4267
03:23:09,520 --> 03:23:11,840
so I I just was looking over the resol

4268
03:23:11,840 --> 03:23:14,239
the draft resolution as we have it. I'm

4269
03:23:14,239 --> 03:23:17,040
very, you know, the title of it does not

4270
03:23:17,040 --> 03:23:19,359
have the word civility and I think the

4271
03:23:19,359 --> 03:23:21,840
word civility

4272
03:23:21,840 --> 03:23:23,840
is only in there twice and one is about

4273
03:23:23,840 --> 03:23:26,800
how NLC is asking folks to adopt local

4274
03:23:26,800 --> 03:23:31,200
civility pledges. So, so I feel I feel

4275
03:23:31,200 --> 03:23:33,200
okay with this because I don't feel like

4276
03:23:33,200 --> 03:23:35,040
it's about drilling down on the concept

4277
03:23:35,040 --> 03:23:37,680
of civility. I think that this is more

4278
03:23:37,680 --> 03:23:42,720
about respect. Um, and

4279
03:23:42,720 --> 03:23:52,560
I also see this as a document affirming

4280
03:23:52,560 --> 03:23:57,190
respect. Um,

4281
03:23:57,200 --> 03:24:02,080
I also don't necessarily think this is

4282
03:24:02,080 --> 03:24:04,080
about the clapping incident, but with

4283
03:24:04,080 --> 03:24:06,640
the clapping incident, I will

4284
03:24:06,640 --> 03:24:08,880
recall that I didn't think the issue was

4285
03:24:08,880 --> 03:24:11,439
a free speech. It was a respect issue.

4286
03:24:11,439 --> 03:24:14,239
That is how it read to me. It was pe

4287
03:24:14,239 --> 03:24:16,560
people being disrespectful of our mayor

4288
03:24:16,560 --> 03:24:19,680
and the authority that she has.

4289
03:24:19,680 --> 03:24:21,600
So

4290
03:24:21,600 --> 03:24:24,160
there's already been a miscommunication

4291
03:24:24,160 --> 03:24:26,800
around what happened at that event. So,

4292
03:24:26,800 --> 03:24:29,120
I certainly

4293
03:24:29,120 --> 03:24:33,680
I am not inclined to

4294
03:24:33,680 --> 03:24:38,000
be wishy-washy about this in any way

4295
03:24:38,000 --> 03:24:40,560
with folks that

4296
03:24:40,560 --> 03:24:44,239
I'm not sure how to say this. Um,

4297
03:24:44,239 --> 03:24:45,520
maybe I'll just stop there because I

4298
03:24:45,520 --> 03:24:46,800
don't know if I'm going to say it right.

4299
03:24:46,800 --> 03:24:51,840
Um, but I overall I I do support this.

4300
03:24:51,840 --> 03:24:58,870
>> Thank you, Council Member Weslick. Um,

4301
03:24:58,880 --> 03:25:03,439
I have seen in this room,

4302
03:25:03,439 --> 03:25:05,600
um,

4303
03:25:05,600 --> 03:25:07,920
people

4304
03:25:07,920 --> 03:25:11,200
nearly attack one another.

4305
03:25:11,200 --> 03:25:14,479
I've seen and heard profanity.

4306
03:25:14,479 --> 03:25:21,760
I've personally been called names. I've heard others be called names.

4307
03:25:21,760 --> 03:25:26,630
Um,

4308
03:25:26,640 --> 03:25:28,479
and during

4309
03:25:28,479 --> 03:25:33,750
air quotes, clapgate, [music]

4310
03:25:33,760 --> 03:25:36,399
there was known information that I had

4311
03:25:36,399 --> 03:25:38,640
regarding the safety of the individuals

4312
03:25:38,640 --> 03:25:40,880
in this room.

4313
03:25:40,880 --> 03:25:44,160
And all I asked for people to do

4314
03:25:44,160 --> 03:25:46,560
is to move the public comment period

4315
03:25:46,560 --> 03:25:49,359
along.

4316
03:25:49,359 --> 03:25:52,560
And there was such a blatant disrespect

4317
03:25:52,560 --> 03:25:56,560
for me asking that thing

4318
03:25:56,560 --> 03:26:00,319
that it became name calling

4319
03:26:00,319 --> 03:26:02,880
become it became purposeful disrespect

4320
03:26:02,880 --> 03:26:07,439
of the rules that have been requested of

4321
03:26:07,439 --> 03:26:10,160
people in this room

4322
03:26:10,160 --> 03:26:12,399
and I I appreciate council member Lamb

4323
03:26:12,399 --> 03:26:13,840
and you saying I do a good job of

4324
03:26:13,840 --> 03:26:16,239
keeping decorum but I shouldn't have to

4325
03:26:16,239 --> 03:26:20,640
do it by myself Right. It is a shared

4326
03:26:20,640 --> 03:26:23,279
responsibility that everyone in this

4327
03:26:23,279 --> 03:26:27,680
room has to monitor themselves

4328
03:26:27,680 --> 03:26:32,479
by seeing the humanity in someone else.

4329
03:26:32,479 --> 03:26:36,640
Name calling does not

4330
03:26:36,640 --> 03:26:39,040
it it doesn't get your point across any

4331
03:26:39,040 --> 03:26:40,960
clearer in terms of the policy issue you

4332
03:26:40,960 --> 03:26:42,640
want changed.

4333
03:26:42,640 --> 03:26:45,040
It just immediately shuts the other

4334
03:26:45,040 --> 03:26:47,439
person down and gets them from listening

4335
03:26:47,439 --> 03:26:50,239
to what you have to say.

4336
03:26:50,239 --> 03:26:53,680
It is not about and what this is not

4337
03:26:53,680 --> 03:26:58,319
about is trying to stop people from

4338
03:26:58,319 --> 03:27:01,760
being able to come and say your say your

4339
03:27:01,760 --> 03:27:04,640
piece in the in the based on the rules

4340
03:27:04,640 --> 03:27:06,720
in the three minutes that are available

4341
03:27:06,720 --> 03:27:09,120
to people. There's nothing to stop you

4342
03:27:09,120 --> 03:27:11,359
from doing that.

4343
03:27:11,359 --> 03:27:13,680
But it is about respecting other people

4344
03:27:13,680 --> 03:27:15,973
who also need to come up and provide

4345
03:27:15,973 --> 03:27:17,040
[music]

4346
03:27:17,040 --> 03:27:19,279
comments.

4347
03:27:19,279 --> 03:27:21,120
Do you

4348
03:27:21,120 --> 03:27:22,720
I'm trying to I'm I'm I'm feeling like

4349
03:27:22,720 --> 03:27:23,760
you right now because I'm trying to

4350
03:27:23,760 --> 03:27:26,960
control my passion. Do Do you think it's

4351
03:27:26,960 --> 03:27:30,640
any easier for us as a council to hear

4352
03:27:30,640 --> 03:27:33,279
the message of a person here when

4353
03:27:33,279 --> 03:27:36,319
there's 50 signs flying in our faces

4354
03:27:36,319 --> 03:27:38,960
about something different? it is

4355
03:27:38,960 --> 03:27:40,720
minimizing the voice of the person

4356
03:27:40,720 --> 03:27:43,680
that's speaking because it's distracting

4357
03:27:43,680 --> 03:27:47,200
us from what that person has to say.

4358
03:27:47,200 --> 03:27:50,640
So it it is it is really easy

4359
03:27:50,640 --> 03:27:54,319
to say we should let people just do

4360
03:27:54,319 --> 03:27:56,640
their thing just do their thing. It

4361
03:27:56,640 --> 03:28:00,319
means it's freedom. But

4362
03:28:00,319 --> 03:28:02,080
you have your freedom during your three

4363
03:28:02,080 --> 03:28:05,600
minutes. And as a person who respects

4364
03:28:05,600 --> 03:28:07,279
someone else's three minutes, I don't

4365
03:28:07,279 --> 03:28:09,760
want to distract from that. And that

4366
03:28:09,760 --> 03:28:12,720
requires you to be to think about

4367
03:28:12,720 --> 03:28:14,720
decorum. It requires you to be

4368
03:28:14,720 --> 03:28:16,800
respective of others. It requires you to

4369
03:28:16,800 --> 03:28:20,000
say, "Hey, we want to make sure that

4370
03:28:20,000 --> 03:28:23,359
every person that comes in this room

4371
03:28:23,359 --> 03:28:25,520
during their three minutes gets my

4372
03:28:25,520 --> 03:28:28,640
undivided attention." And it means don't

4373
03:28:28,640 --> 03:28:31,200
heckle the per don't heckle and have

4374
03:28:31,200 --> 03:28:32,640
conversations while that person is

4375
03:28:32,640 --> 03:28:34,960
trying to speak. It means don't wave all

4376
03:28:34,960 --> 03:28:36,880
of your signs saying something different

4377
03:28:36,880 --> 03:28:39,760
when that person is trying to speak. It

4378
03:28:39,760 --> 03:28:42,000
gives that person their three minutes.

4379
03:28:42,000 --> 03:28:43,680
And and so I think that when we're

4380
03:28:43,680 --> 03:28:47,920
talking about civility, it is often

4381
03:28:47,920 --> 03:28:50,560
being viewed as being as taking away

4382
03:28:50,560 --> 03:28:53,520
something from yourself. And that's not

4383
03:28:53,520 --> 03:28:55,920
what this is about. It is about

4384
03:28:55,920 --> 03:28:58,640
respecting yourself by demonstrating the

4385
03:28:58,640 --> 03:29:01,520
respect for others. And so how do we as

4386
03:29:01,520 --> 03:29:05,359
a council try to set the stage for

4387
03:29:05,359 --> 03:29:07,200
trying to educate our community more

4388
03:29:07,200 --> 03:29:10,560
broadly about the importance of that?

4389
03:29:10,560 --> 03:29:12,880
And and so I think that this this

4390
03:29:12,880 --> 03:29:14,560
resolution,

4391
03:29:14,560 --> 03:29:16,560
simply put,

4392
03:29:16,560 --> 03:29:18,560
is something one I would I would say,

4393
03:29:18,560 --> 03:29:21,279
hey, you know, if it were just us, all

4394
03:29:21,279 --> 03:29:23,279
right, maybe it's a but but this is a

4395
03:29:23,279 --> 03:29:25,439
growing epidemic

4396
03:29:25,439 --> 03:29:28,000
across our country.

4397
03:29:28,000 --> 03:29:29,920
And so there is some education that

4398
03:29:29,920 --> 03:29:32,239
needs to happen. There is some some

4399
03:29:32,239 --> 03:29:34,880
education that needs to happen. I in no

4400
03:29:34,880 --> 03:29:37,200
way am I saying a a kitchen counter sit

4401
03:29:37,200 --> 03:29:40,000
in is being univil. No. If you want,

4402
03:29:40,000 --> 03:29:41,279
you're not hitting anybody, you're not

4403
03:29:41,279 --> 03:29:43,680
doing anything. Okay. When we're in

4404
03:29:43,680 --> 03:29:45,040
these meetings, if you're obeying the

4405
03:29:45,040 --> 03:29:46,720
rules, you come in, you say your peace,

4406
03:29:46,720 --> 03:29:52,000
okay? If if you want to uh uh protest

4407
03:29:52,000 --> 03:29:55,359
out, yes, do that right outside. You

4408
03:29:55,359 --> 03:29:57,040
know, just, you know, there's a place,

4409
03:29:57,040 --> 03:29:58,640
there's a time and a place, and there's

4410
03:29:58,640 --> 03:30:01,120
a way that we can make that happen. If

4411
03:30:01,120 --> 03:30:03,840
this forum isn't the right kind of forum

4412
03:30:03,840 --> 03:30:08,239
for interactive debate, I think what

4413
03:30:08,239 --> 03:30:10,000
we're modeling here is saying, okay,

4414
03:30:10,000 --> 03:30:11,760
let's figure out a way so there could be

4415
03:30:11,760 --> 03:30:13,840
dialogue, right, which is being called

4416
03:30:13,840 --> 03:30:16,960
out here. But I do think that it is

4417
03:30:16,960 --> 03:30:20,000
important for us as a council to take a

4418
03:30:20,000 --> 03:30:22,800
stand to join the National League of

4419
03:30:22,800 --> 03:30:25,200
Cities, to join all of the other

4420
03:30:25,200 --> 03:30:27,040
organizations that have been meeting and

4421
03:30:27,040 --> 03:30:28,960
really trying to tackle this this issue

4422
03:30:28,960 --> 03:30:32,720
that is plaguing so many um elected

4423
03:30:32,720 --> 03:30:34,640
governments across this country to say,

4424
03:30:34,640 --> 03:30:37,600
"Hey, we are committed to upholding

4425
03:30:37,600 --> 03:30:40,800
decorum, to creating room for discourse,

4426
03:30:40,800 --> 03:30:42,560
but making sure that we're able to do it

4427
03:30:42,560 --> 03:30:47,200
in a respectful way." Um, so I I

4428
03:30:47,200 --> 03:30:50,160
encourage folks to if you have some

4429
03:30:50,160 --> 03:30:51,920
thoughts or concerns or language to

4430
03:30:51,920 --> 03:30:54,720
please provide some language. Um, happy

4431
03:30:54,720 --> 03:30:57,279
to take it. But I I I do hope that you

4432
03:30:57,279 --> 03:30:59,359
all will support us and at least moving

4433
03:30:59,359 --> 03:31:01,439
the needle forward in trying to

4434
03:31:01,439 --> 03:31:05,920
encourage um respectful um um engagement

4435
03:31:05,920 --> 03:31:09,279
amongst all. Uh, Council Member Gilbert.

4436
03:31:09,279 --> 03:31:10,720
>> Thank you, Mayor. I try to be really

4437
03:31:10,720 --> 03:31:12,880
quick and I add my two cents as I was I

4438
03:31:12,880 --> 03:31:14,239
was I've been listening to you all

4439
03:31:14,239 --> 03:31:16,720
discuss this um especially the

4440
03:31:16,720 --> 03:31:18,399
conversation about civility. So I went

4441
03:31:18,399 --> 03:31:22,880
to Mr. or Mrs. Google and and and

4442
03:31:22,880 --> 03:31:24,160
something struck me from here that I

4443
03:31:24,160 --> 03:31:26,800
want to share. Um the definition um

4444
03:31:26,800 --> 03:31:28,640
civility is the act of showing genuine

4445
03:31:28,640 --> 03:31:30,399
regard for others through polite, kind

4446
03:31:30,399 --> 03:31:32,720
and respectful behavior rooted in the

4447
03:31:32,720 --> 03:31:35,359
Latin word civilis. It goes beyond

4448
03:31:35,359 --> 03:31:37,279
surface level manners to encompass

4449
03:31:37,279 --> 03:31:39,439
treating people with dignity, listening

4450
03:31:39,439 --> 03:31:42,239
without bias, that's important, and

4451
03:31:42,239 --> 03:31:44,720
disagreeing respectfully even during

4452
03:31:44,720 --> 03:31:47,439
heated conflicts. And for me, long

4453
03:31:47,439 --> 03:31:49,439
before you said anything about clapping,

4454
03:31:49,439 --> 03:31:52,880
I would feel uncomfortable

4455
03:31:52,880 --> 03:31:56,000
for people when they came up to speak

4456
03:31:56,000 --> 03:31:57,840
and three people prior to them

4457
03:31:57,840 --> 03:31:59,439
presenting

4458
03:31:59,439 --> 03:32:02,880
were clapped for and then they weren't.

4459
03:32:02,880 --> 03:32:05,920
And that showed to me as I'm reading

4460
03:32:05,920 --> 03:32:07,760
this

4461
03:32:07,760 --> 03:32:10,000
that people were not listening without

4462
03:32:10,000 --> 03:32:11,520
bias.

4463
03:32:11,520 --> 03:32:14,000
And in clapping for some people and not

4464
03:32:14,000 --> 03:32:16,080
for others, you're showing that you're

4465
03:32:16,080 --> 03:32:18,560
not listening without bias. So I just

4466
03:32:18,560 --> 03:32:24,239
wanted to point that out to you all. And it was already obvious to me um that

4467
03:32:24,239 --> 03:32:25,840
people were were not listening without

4468
03:32:25,840 --> 03:32:27,840
bias. So and this kind of confirms it

4469
03:32:27,840 --> 03:32:30,000
for me. So and that's my take and I do

4470
03:32:30,000 --> 03:32:32,399
support uh this because it's it's

4471
03:32:32,399 --> 03:32:34,720
There's no harm in it at all. Thanks.

4472
03:32:34,720 --> 03:32:37,200
>> Thank you, Council Member Gilbert. Uh,

4473
03:32:37,200 --> 03:32:37,760
Council Member

4474
03:32:37,760 --> 03:32:40,399
>> Dal

4475
03:32:40,399 --> 03:32:41,359
Council Wesley.

4476
03:32:41,359 --> 03:32:44,880
>> Oh, uh, I just want to add

4477
03:32:44,880 --> 03:32:46,800
>> um, one thing that over these last

4478
03:32:46,800 --> 03:32:50,239
months talking with uh, friends and

4479
03:32:50,239 --> 03:32:51,760
neighbors,

4480
03:32:51,760 --> 03:32:54,479
all different situations. this concept

4481
03:32:54,479 --> 03:32:56,560
of

4482
03:32:56,560 --> 03:32:58,160
discourse

4483
03:32:58,160 --> 03:33:02,399
being coarser, meaner,

4484
03:33:02,399 --> 03:33:05,920
uh it it's happening in so many places

4485
03:33:05,920 --> 03:33:09,600
in different ways. Um

4486
03:33:09,600 --> 03:33:11,680
and so

4487
03:33:11,680 --> 03:33:13,279
that is something that's really struck

4488
03:33:13,279 --> 03:33:15,680
me that there's these examples that all

4489
03:33:15,680 --> 03:33:18,000
of us are going through where this used

4490
03:33:18,000 --> 03:33:20,239
to not this used to be okay and now when

4491
03:33:20,239 --> 03:33:22,960
I went oh my gosh everyone was so mean

4492
03:33:22,960 --> 03:33:25,200
and you know all those kinds of things.

4493
03:33:25,200 --> 03:33:29,520
So, um I in the context I I think it's

4494
03:33:29,520 --> 03:33:32,800
important that we support it um from the

4495
03:33:32,800 --> 03:33:35,200
fact that the NLC is supporting it um

4496
03:33:35,200 --> 03:33:38,080
and asking us to consider and do this.

4497
03:33:38,080 --> 03:33:40,000
Um, and I also think it's just a way to

4498
03:33:40,000 --> 03:33:43,200
show an example just to our entire

4499
03:33:43,200 --> 03:33:46,479
community um that despite other things

4500
03:33:46,479 --> 03:33:48,720
that might be

4501
03:33:48,720 --> 03:33:51,680
countering um the idea of being

4502
03:33:51,680 --> 03:33:54,800
respectful um of others that that's

4503
03:33:54,800 --> 03:33:57,840
something that we think is important.

4504
03:33:57,840 --> 03:33:59,600
>> Thank you, Council Member Wesle. Council

4505
03:33:59,600 --> 03:34:00,720
member Dybala.

4506
03:34:00,720 --> 03:34:02,880
>> Yeah, I just want to close I think we

4507
03:34:02,880 --> 03:34:03,680
wrap it up.

4508
03:34:03,680 --> 03:34:06,000
>> I just want to close by saying two

4509
03:34:06,000 --> 03:34:11,190
things. Um, one is

4510
03:34:11,200 --> 03:34:13,279
that when I introduced this, I said

4511
03:34:13,279 --> 03:34:14,880
there were we there were a couple of

4512
03:34:14,880 --> 03:34:17,600
reasons we were doing this and one was

4513
03:34:17,600 --> 03:34:19,760
the request from the National League of

4514
03:34:19,760 --> 03:34:22,960
Cities because 40 different communities

4515
03:34:22,960 --> 03:34:25,439
across the country, large and small,

4516
03:34:25,439 --> 03:34:28,319
leaders from them came together and

4517
03:34:28,319 --> 03:34:33,279
signed this pledge. So it's not just us

4518
03:34:33,279 --> 03:34:35,760
and it's communities across the country

4519
03:34:35,760 --> 03:34:39,520
that see the need for this right now. Um

4520
03:34:39,520 --> 03:34:43,040
but I also wanted to uh so so that was

4521
03:34:43,040 --> 03:34:44,560
one reason and the other was because we

4522
03:34:44,560 --> 03:34:46,080
have been talking about this from the

4523
03:34:46,080 --> 03:34:48,399
beginning of our being a council um

4524
03:34:48,399 --> 03:34:51,279
about how we would characterize our

4525
03:34:51,279 --> 03:34:55,120
norms of behavior. Um, so notice that I

4526
03:34:55,120 --> 03:34:59,359
did not say that it had a genesis in

4527
03:34:59,359 --> 03:35:03,279
what happened a few weeks ago, whenever

4528
03:35:03,279 --> 03:35:07,279
it was um at at any one given council

4529
03:35:07,279 --> 03:35:11,040
meeting. But I would like to um close by

4530
03:35:11,040 --> 03:35:14,560
reading one phrase from

4531
03:35:14,560 --> 03:35:17,040
I'm going to have to find it. Uh one

4532
03:35:17,040 --> 03:35:20,319
phrase from the um resolution. So the

4533
03:35:20,319 --> 03:35:24,239
res the uh the NLC resolution closes by

4534
03:35:24,239 --> 03:35:27,200
saying that we stand united. This is

4535
03:35:27,200 --> 03:35:29,760
their result. We stand united leading

4536
03:35:29,760 --> 03:35:32,720
with respect, dignity, and civility to

4537
03:35:32,720 --> 03:35:35,680
reduce polarization and create an

4538
03:35:35,680 --> 03:35:38,479
environment that values shared goals,

4539
03:35:38,479 --> 03:35:41,600
increased empathy, and genuine dialogue.

4540
03:35:41,600 --> 03:35:44,479
So um just wanted to put [music] that

4541
03:35:44,479 --> 03:35:45,760
out there. Thank you.

4542
03:35:45,760 --> 03:35:49,200
>> Thank you, Council Member Dala.

4543
03:35:49,200 --> 03:35:51,920
Okay. So, um seeing no more hands on

4544
03:35:51,920 --> 03:35:54,640
this, this will come back to us next

4545
03:35:54,640 --> 03:35:58,160
week for a vote. Um and so now we're

4546
03:35:58,160 --> 03:36:00,000
done with our last item. We are almost

4547
03:36:00,000 --> 03:36:02,080
we are at 11 o'clock, but this should be

4548
03:36:02,080 --> 03:36:03,760
short. [laughter]

4549
03:36:03,760 --> 03:36:06,399
>> Just to remind you 11:00

4550
03:36:06,399 --> 03:36:09,680
>> um the recommended appointments to city

4551
03:36:09,680 --> 03:36:11,840
boards and committees. So, who's going

4552
03:36:11,840 --> 03:36:13,600
to take care of that? Okay.

4553
03:36:13,600 --> 03:36:15,439
>> Do your best. My voice will hold up.

4554
03:36:15,439 --> 03:36:16,399
Yeah.

4555
03:36:16,399 --> 03:36:21,040
>> So, um just to recap, we

4556
03:36:21,040 --> 03:36:23,439
um discussed a couple of weeks ago uh

4557
03:36:23,439 --> 03:36:25,920
the appointments for all committees but

4558
03:36:25,920 --> 03:36:29,200
two. We decided to table um the

4559
03:36:29,200 --> 03:36:32,000
recommendations for two committees so we

4560
03:36:32,000 --> 03:36:39,840
can have further discussion and um visit the comments made by one of our

4561
03:36:39,840 --> 03:36:41,200
colleagues. Council member Dybala

4562
03:36:41,200 --> 03:36:43,279
brought brought up a couple of points

4563
03:36:43,279 --> 03:36:47,200
that we um really wanted to take a

4564
03:36:47,200 --> 03:36:52,080
serious look at out of respect and um

4565
03:36:52,080 --> 03:36:54,080
and thank you Council Member Dybala for

4566
03:36:54,080 --> 03:36:57,120
helping us see our our blind spots um in

4567
03:36:57,120 --> 03:36:59,680
that regard. So, um, we've since

4568
03:36:59,680 --> 03:37:02,319
discussed, uh, appointments and

4569
03:37:02,319 --> 03:37:03,920
applications for a recreation and

4570
03:37:03,920 --> 03:37:07,600
community engagement committee and the,

4571
03:37:07,600 --> 03:37:13,200
um, grants review committee. And we have

4572
03:37:13,200 --> 03:37:15,920
uh two recommendations for recreation

4573
03:37:15,920 --> 03:37:18,960
committee and they are Alex Kyle's ward

4574
03:37:18,960 --> 03:37:22,640
three um for original appointment for

4575
03:37:22,640 --> 03:37:24,880
the first appointment and a reappoint

4576
03:37:24,880 --> 03:37:30,229
for Ken Simler of ward one

4577
03:37:30,239 --> 03:37:33,439
and for the grants review committee the

4578
03:37:33,439 --> 03:37:37,040
appointments um first appointments for

4579
03:37:37,040 --> 03:37:38,960
Sharon Walchick excuse [clears throat]

4580
03:37:38,960 --> 03:37:40,080
me ward

4581
03:37:40,080 --> 03:37:43,920
and Michelle Durango, Ward Five, and

4582
03:37:43,920 --> 03:37:46,080
reappointments for Sarah Michael, Ward

4583
03:37:46,080 --> 03:37:50,880
One, and Ryan Lander, W three.

4584
03:37:50,880 --> 03:37:56,790
Did I miss something?

4585
03:37:56,800 --> 03:37:59,120
My apologies.

4586
03:37:59,120 --> 03:38:03,670
Yes, New Haven

4587
03:38:03,680 --> 03:38:05,840
for grants review committee as well. So,

4588
03:38:05,840 --> 03:38:10,880
okay. So Sarah Michael um and Ryan

4589
03:38:10,880 --> 03:38:12,560
Lander for reappointment. Sharon

4590
03:38:12,560 --> 03:38:15,920
Walchick ward one uh for first

4591
03:38:15,920 --> 03:38:18,960
appointment. Michelle Durango

4592
03:38:18,960 --> 03:38:21,760
um Elen

4593
03:38:21,760 --> 03:38:24,720
Fabria and New Haven Michael. My

4594
03:38:24,720 --> 03:38:27,840
apologies. So those are the six

4595
03:38:27,840 --> 03:38:29,120
appointments for grants review

4596
03:38:29,120 --> 03:38:30,960
committee.

4597
03:38:30,960 --> 03:38:32,960
Did I miss anything? Council member

4598
03:38:32,960 --> 03:38:36,399
Hanzac or council member Flego?

4599
03:38:36,399 --> 03:38:37,920
Okay. And

4600
03:38:37,920 --> 03:38:40,399
>> would you just be able to say the the

4601
03:38:40,399 --> 03:38:44,800
awards for the last three or four names

4602
03:38:44,800 --> 03:38:47,040
>> for the grants review committee?

4603
03:38:47,040 --> 03:38:49,040
>> They are

4604
03:38:49,040 --> 03:38:52,399
again uh reappoints for are Sarah

4605
03:38:52,399 --> 03:38:55,279
Michael and Ryan Lander.

4606
03:38:55,279 --> 03:38:59,600
And the um first um appointments for

4607
03:38:59,600 --> 03:39:05,600
Sharon Walchick, Michelle Durango, Elen

4608
03:39:05,600 --> 03:39:10,640
Fabrico and New Haven Michael.

4609
03:39:10,640 --> 03:39:14,000
>> And do we have their ward their ward

4610
03:39:14,000 --> 03:39:17,349
identifications?

4611
03:39:17,359 --> 03:39:22,000
» Okay. Eileen's W six. Um, New Haymon

4612
03:39:22,000 --> 03:39:22,800
>> two.

4613
03:39:22,800 --> 03:39:25,439
>> W two. Anybody know Michelle Durango's

4614
03:39:25,439 --> 03:39:34,229
ward? My apologies.

4615
03:39:34,239 --> 03:39:36,000
» Okay.

4616
03:39:36,000 --> 03:39:39,200
All right. And so we also want to

4617
03:39:39,200 --> 03:39:42,080
discuss the

4618
03:39:42,080 --> 03:39:46,080
um request for Sustainable Maryland to

4619
03:39:46,080 --> 03:39:49,520
um expand their membership

4620
03:39:49,520 --> 03:39:53,040
from nine members to and I guess that's

4621
03:39:53,040 --> 03:39:54,399
something we could discuss whether or

4622
03:39:54,399 --> 03:39:57,840
not we would allow them to um expand

4623
03:39:57,840 --> 03:40:02,800
from 9 to 11 or 12 uh members. I'm not

4624
03:40:02,800 --> 03:40:05,760
sure, Jesse, if you if we had um if you

4625
03:40:05,760 --> 03:40:09,120
have any notes about where we um wanted

4626
03:40:09,120 --> 03:40:11,520
that number to be.

4627
03:40:11,520 --> 03:40:16,640
>> I I think that um that item is is with

4628
03:40:16,640 --> 03:40:18,399
me and I'm supposed [clears throat] to

4629
03:40:18,399 --> 03:40:21,279
be having a conversation with Dory and

4630
03:40:21,279 --> 03:40:24,479
um Director Braithweight um on that as

4631
03:40:24,479 --> 03:40:26,399
well as I believe that committee has a

4632
03:40:26,399 --> 03:40:28,880
couple of other um items that need to

4633
03:40:28,880 --> 03:40:30,800
come before council. It was my

4634
03:40:30,800 --> 03:40:32,319
understanding that they don't need that

4635
03:40:32,319 --> 03:40:34,399
expansion right this instant, but there

4636
03:40:34,399 --> 03:40:35,840
was something that they were interested

4637
03:40:35,840 --> 03:40:39,030
in.

4638
03:40:39,040 --> 03:40:42,800
» And did you have that award?

4639
03:40:42,800 --> 03:40:47,520
>> Okay. So, so just for the the

4640
03:40:47,520 --> 03:40:50,399
working group on committees. Um that is

4641
03:40:50,399 --> 03:40:52,800
something that we'll we'll follow up. Um

4642
03:40:52,800 --> 03:40:55,359
it'll it'll be after recess. Um but we

4643
03:40:55,359 --> 03:40:57,680
will need to have a conversation about

4644
03:40:57,680 --> 03:41:00,399
um because that would require a um a

4645
03:41:00,399 --> 03:41:03,600
code change. Um and also just want to

4646
03:41:03,600 --> 03:41:04,960
make sure that we're all on the same

4647
03:41:04,960 --> 03:41:13,760
page in terms of whether or not um the the need of the added um the added

4648
03:41:13,760 --> 03:41:15,840
members and make sure that there's an

4649
03:41:15,840 --> 03:41:17,600
agreement between the understanding of

4650
03:41:17,600 --> 03:41:20,239
staff and what the committee needs and

4651
03:41:20,239 --> 03:41:22,399
what we think. point of information on

4652
03:41:22,399 --> 03:41:25,520
the on the rule change if I may. If the

4653
03:41:25,520 --> 03:41:27,359
rules allow for alternates to be

4654
03:41:27,359 --> 03:41:30,720
appointed um they do not have alternates

4655
03:41:30,720 --> 03:41:32,479
as an option. No.

4656
03:41:32,479 --> 03:41:35,040
>> And they don't have exeicial either. I

4657
03:41:35,040 --> 03:41:36,560
believe I think they're all I think

4658
03:41:36,560 --> 03:41:37,840
they're a straight [clears throat]

4659
03:41:37,840 --> 03:41:39,600
nine. I

4660
03:41:39,600 --> 03:41:40,399
>> They are straight.

4661
03:41:40,399 --> 03:41:42,319
>> They're straight nine,

4662
03:41:42,319 --> 03:41:42,720
>> right?

4663
03:41:42,720 --> 03:41:45,840
>> But they could they remember

4664
03:41:45,840 --> 03:41:49,040
>> if I may. Point of order mayor. Oh yeah,

4665
03:41:49,040 --> 03:41:49,920
you're speaking. So

4666
03:41:49,920 --> 03:41:53,439
>> yeah. It is possible for them to for the

4667
03:41:53,439 --> 03:41:55,120
code to change for them to have

4668
03:41:55,120 --> 03:42:00,880
alternates and/or exeicio. Um and not having

4669
03:42:00,880 --> 03:42:04,640
not changing the code. They can have um

4670
03:42:04,640 --> 03:42:07,279
unofficial members who sit on work

4671
03:42:07,279 --> 03:42:08,720
groups within the committee because

4672
03:42:08,720 --> 03:42:11,120
other committees have done that uh with

4673
03:42:11,120 --> 03:42:13,760
some success. But but I [clears throat]

4674
03:42:13,760 --> 03:42:16,000
that that's alternatives to

4675
03:42:16,000 --> 03:42:18,080
>> what they're asking giving them more

4676
03:42:18,080 --> 03:42:18,479
>> right

4677
03:42:18,479 --> 03:42:21,520
>> bodies. Thank you. Also the the meetings

4678
03:42:21,520 --> 03:42:24,399
are open as well to participation from

4679
03:42:24,399 --> 03:42:26,239
other community members. I think for all

4680
03:42:26,239 --> 03:42:29,359
of them they're am I am I wrong about

4681
03:42:29,359 --> 03:42:30,479
that?

4682
03:42:30,479 --> 03:42:31,920
>> I like I know that there are several

4683
03:42:31,920 --> 03:42:33,840
committees at least recreation where

4684
03:42:33,840 --> 03:42:35,439
multiple people who are not voting

4685
03:42:35,439 --> 03:42:37,760
members regularly participate. Yeah,

4686
03:42:37,760 --> 03:42:39,040
that's what you mean, right?

4687
03:42:39,040 --> 03:42:40,399
>> I think that but what they're looking

4688
03:42:40,399 --> 03:42:42,000
for is additional Yeah.

4689
03:42:42,000 --> 03:42:42,880
>> voting members.

4690
03:42:42,880 --> 03:42:43,279
>> Um

4691
03:42:43,279 --> 03:42:45,120
>> and compensation presumably the

4692
03:42:45,120 --> 03:42:46,960
compensation would only be for committee

4693
03:42:46,960 --> 03:42:48,640
members. So that would be a factor,

4694
03:42:48,640 --> 03:42:53,359
>> right? Yeah. Um may I add as one of the

4695
03:42:53,359 --> 03:42:55,040
subcommittee members and um council

4696
03:42:55,040 --> 03:42:56,560
member Schlegel if you have anything to

4697
03:42:56,560 --> 03:43:01,359
add as well. Um I in prior rounds I have

4698
03:43:01,359 --> 03:43:04,080
had the uh ability to spend time

4699
03:43:04,080 --> 03:43:06,000
analyzing some of the data to see how

4700
03:43:06,000 --> 03:43:07,520
much progress we've made towards some of

4701
03:43:07,520 --> 03:43:10,080
the diversification goals that we've had

4702
03:43:10,080 --> 03:43:12,319
um with the council set up prior to the

4703
03:43:12,319 --> 03:43:14,800
council that I was on. actually um I did

4704
03:43:14,800 --> 03:43:17,040
not have a chance to do that this time,

4705
03:43:17,040 --> 03:43:20,239
but I do want to share that um one

4706
03:43:20,239 --> 03:43:23,359
broadstroke observation that we have all

4707
03:43:23,359 --> 03:43:28,399
had is that we continue to have lower

4708
03:43:28,399 --> 03:43:32,479
numbers of um applicants from WS four,

4709
03:43:32,479 --> 03:43:35,920
five, and six. And so there continues to

4710
03:43:35,920 --> 03:43:40,000
be um you know not as many folks from WS

4711
03:43:40,000 --> 03:43:41,520
four, five, and six. I'm looking at

4712
03:43:41,520 --> 03:43:44,239
myself and my council members to my

4713
03:43:44,239 --> 03:43:46,640
right. Um [music] so, you know, this

4714
03:43:46,640 --> 03:43:50,399
could be a key issue actually for our um

4715
03:43:50,399 --> 03:43:52,800
community connectors individual to

4716
03:43:52,800 --> 03:43:56,399
ponder with us meaningfully. I think uh

4717
03:43:56,399 --> 03:44:01,120
we also would love to see more uh you

4718
03:44:01,120 --> 03:44:04,800
know um racial diversity on our on our

4719
03:44:04,800 --> 03:44:07,439
committees and we don't have any

4720
03:44:07,439 --> 03:44:08,800
questions about things like

4721
03:44:08,800 --> 03:44:10,800
socioeconomic diversity. We actually

4722
03:44:10,800 --> 03:44:12,720
aren't collecting data on anything

4723
03:44:12,720 --> 03:44:16,239
except cult about renters versus others

4724
03:44:16,239 --> 03:44:19,520
which is a is a proxy, right? Um

4725
03:44:19,520 --> 03:44:22,080
>> I believe that now the application does

4726
03:44:22,080 --> 03:44:25,439
include uh whether or not home own or

4727
03:44:25,439 --> 03:44:25,840
rent.

4728
03:44:25,840 --> 03:44:27,359
>> Oh, we did add that. Okay, we did

4729
03:44:27,359 --> 03:44:29,840
discuss that. Thank you. Thank you. Um

4730
03:44:29,840 --> 03:44:32,080
Secretary Carpenter or Clerk Carpenter,

4731
03:44:32,080 --> 03:44:34,080
pardon me. The um I was trying to think

4732
03:44:34,080 --> 03:44:37,600
what your title was. Clerk Carpenter. U

4733
03:44:37,600 --> 03:44:41,520
Jesse. Um, so yeah, uh, that's great. I

4734
03:44:41,520 --> 03:44:43,520
think that that's progress because it

4735
03:44:43,520 --> 03:44:45,920
would be wonderful for us to be able to

4736
03:44:45,920 --> 03:44:48,720
really collate that data and look back

4737
03:44:48,720 --> 03:44:50,560
on our goals and the progress we've been

4738
03:44:50,560 --> 03:44:53,359
making over time, especially as we

4739
03:44:53,359 --> 03:44:55,120
change out some people and move in new

4740
03:44:55,120 --> 03:44:56,560
ones, and we haven't had the chance to

4741
03:44:56,560 --> 03:44:59,359
do that. So, um, if my colleagues have

4742
03:44:59,359 --> 03:45:02,160
any suggestions for even ways that that

4743
03:45:02,160 --> 03:45:04,160
one, two, and three could help us with

4744
03:45:04,160 --> 03:45:06,880
recruitment in four, five, and six, too,

4745
03:45:06,880 --> 03:45:09,600
we'd be really grateful for ideas. Thank

4746
03:45:09,600 --> 03:45:10,239
you.

4747
03:45:10,239 --> 03:45:12,640
>> Great. Thank you very much.

4748
03:45:12,640 --> 03:45:14,479
>> Uh,

4749
03:45:14,479 --> 03:45:16,960
I provide the the ward information. So,

4750
03:45:16,960 --> 03:45:19,439
for the rec committee, it's Ken Simler,

4751
03:45:19,439 --> 03:45:22,160
ward one. He's a reappoint, and Alex

4752
03:45:22,160 --> 03:45:25,920
Kyle's ward three is a new appointment.

4753
03:45:25,920 --> 03:45:27,920
And then with the grants review

4754
03:45:27,920 --> 03:45:30,960
committee reappointments Sarah Michael

4755
03:45:30,960 --> 03:45:34,800
Ward one Ryan Lander ward three Sharon

4756
03:45:34,800 --> 03:45:38,080
Walchuk ward one

4757
03:45:38,080 --> 03:45:40,399
Michael Durang Michelle Durango Ward

4758
03:45:40,399 --> 03:45:45,600
five Eileene Febrega ward six and New

4759
03:45:45,600 --> 03:45:49,199
Hamine Michael Ward two.

4760
03:45:49,199 --> 03:45:51,040
>> Wonderful. Thank you very much. And so

4761
03:45:51,040 --> 03:45:53,359
those um those uh appointments will come

4762
03:45:53,359 --> 03:45:56,399
back to us next week for a vote. And so

4763
03:45:56,399 --> 03:45:58,640
with that, I think we're done for the

4764
03:45:58,640 --> 03:46:00,479
evening. Correct.

4765
03:46:00,479 --> 03:46:02,160
>> I had one more question, too. Go ahead.

4766
03:46:02,160 --> 03:46:05,359
Um, mayor, um, as we were discussing the

4767
03:46:05,359 --> 03:46:07,359
recreation committee that had so many

4768
03:46:07,359 --> 03:46:09,680
people step down and trying to figure

4769
03:46:09,680 --> 03:46:11,760
out what may be the issues there, I had

4770
03:46:11,760 --> 03:46:13,600
a question of whether or not we we had

4771
03:46:13,600 --> 03:46:16,000
an exit interview process or provided

4772
03:46:16,000 --> 03:46:19,359
surveys to members who had stepped down

4773
03:46:19,359 --> 03:46:22,479
or um to get an idea of how the

4774
03:46:22,479 --> 03:46:24,000
committee was performing. And I can't

4775
03:46:24,000 --> 03:46:26,160
remember if we discussed that or we have

4776
03:46:26,160 --> 03:46:27,920
anything like that, but if not, I think

4777
03:46:27,920 --> 03:46:30,080
it would probably be a good idea so we

4778
03:46:30,080 --> 03:46:32,000
could have some information about how

4779
03:46:32,000 --> 03:46:34,319
these committees are performing.

4780
03:46:34,319 --> 03:46:37,439
>> Right. Yeah. And in fact, there were one

4781
03:46:37,439 --> 03:46:39,199
or two people who were appointed who

4782
03:46:39,199 --> 03:46:40,080
never showed up.

4783
03:46:40,080 --> 03:46:40,800
>> Oh, really?

4784
03:46:40,800 --> 03:46:44,880
>> So, we do have a problem that needs to

4785
03:46:44,880 --> 03:46:47,040
be addressed.

4786
03:46:47,040 --> 03:46:48,399
I'm not sure how we would approach that

4787
03:46:48,399 --> 03:46:50,640
if we develop a survey or something.

4788
03:46:50,640 --> 03:46:52,720
>> But you're Yeah, I'm sure we could do

4789
03:46:52,720 --> 03:46:54,399
something like that.

4790
03:46:54,399 --> 03:46:55,600
>> Council member,

4791
03:46:55,600 --> 03:46:59,840
>> so am I I I think I'm correct that

4792
03:46:59,840 --> 03:47:02,720
technically speaking, we have a rolling

4793
03:47:02,720 --> 03:47:05,439
admissions, but I mean committee

4794
03:47:05,439 --> 03:47:07,199
appointment process, but we've been

4795
03:47:07,199 --> 03:47:09,199
we've moved it to a higher frequency at

4796
03:47:09,199 --> 03:47:12,239
twice a year. Is that I'm looking at our

4797
03:47:12,239 --> 03:47:15,680
mayor and our clerk. Yes. Technically

4798
03:47:15,680 --> 03:47:16,319
speaking,

4799
03:47:16,319 --> 03:47:17,120
>> correct? People can

4800
03:47:17,120 --> 03:47:18,399
>> But we haven't been doing that

4801
03:47:18,399 --> 03:47:19,840
>> anytime. Yeah.

4802
03:47:19,840 --> 03:47:22,560
>> Um but the appointments are limited to

4803
03:47:22,560 --> 03:47:24,239
the twice a year,

4804
03:47:24,239 --> 03:47:27,439
>> right? Okay.

4805
03:47:27,439 --> 03:47:30,800
>> All right. Okay. I think that's it.

4806
03:47:30,800 --> 03:47:43,910
Everybody have a fantastic night.

4807
03:47:43,920 --> 03:47:46,920
Heat. Heat.