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We're going to go ahead and get this

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This is a um

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City of Texas City

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uh budget workshop. We have to have two

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of these, and this is the first of two.

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The first one will be next week on

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August the 12th

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at 5:00.

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To begin with, we're going to start with

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roll call, starting with Commissioner

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Two. Okay. Yeah, Commissioner Ward.

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>> Barbie Tucker, District 2.

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>> Brian Getsch, Commissioner-at-Large.

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>> Abel Garza, Mayor.

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>> Wade Johnson, Commissioner-at-Large.

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>> Chris Sharp, District 3.

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>> Jason Delgado, District 4.

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>> This is going to be a good meeting cuz

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this is the meeting we've all been

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waiting for, so we'll turn it over to

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the star of the show, Ms. Laura Boyd.

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Hold on, Ms. Boyd. Here comes Andre

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Natson. We have a full commission.

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» Thank you, Mayor and Commissioners. Um

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This is the first of two budget

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workshops.

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This is the the calendar so that you can

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get an idea of how this process works.

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Um late May, early June, um

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there's budget meetings between the

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department heads and the uh

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the mayor.

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July 10th was the deadline for the city

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to submit truth and taxation information

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to the county tax assessor.

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July 27th, deadline for the chief

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appraiser from the

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uh appraisal district to certify the tax

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rolls.

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And then on July 29th, the city received

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no new revenue tax rate and the voter

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approval tax rate statements and

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schedules from the tax office.

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part of the um

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requirement when budget is being

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discussed, as you'll see um

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previously on the agenda was a taxpayer

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impact statement.

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it shows what the current adopted tax

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rate is, the

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no new revenue rate, and then once

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the commission has

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selected a proposed tax rate, that will

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be shown here as well.

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So, for the no new revenue rate for tax

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year 26, fiscal year 26-27,

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it's 0.497231.

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And the median taxable value of a

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homestead, $188,833,

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estimated annual tax bill $938.94.

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You might wonder, well, why is the no

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new revenue rate higher than than the

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current rate? Well, because the tax

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values went down.

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when I present the proposed tax rate to

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you at a future meeting, I will go into

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more detail

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regarding property values and how the

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tax rate is calculated, and we'll get in

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deeper into that.

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August 5th, today, and next week on the

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12th, budget workshops. And then um

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the proposed tax rate

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and the other rates will be on the

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city's website

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August 10th.

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August 14th, we'll schedule pub-

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hearings on the the budget. Regular call

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meeting and and on the August 19th is

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when I will present to you the

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proposed tax rate for you to vote on.

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And then we have a couple of required

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notices of budget public hearing. And

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then on the 16th of September is when

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the commission will

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adopt There will be a budget hearing,

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adopt the budget, adopt the tax rate,

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and approve the certified tax roll.

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So, in tonight's workshop, I'm only

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going to go over the general fund

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budget, which is the largest of the

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funds. It's where most of the

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departments are, the main maintenance

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and operations

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of the city.

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I'm on the same page.

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schedule here is a summary that shows

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the general fund revenues and

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expenditures.

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The amended budget for the current year,

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what's year-end projection, and then uh

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proposed budget.

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As you are probably aware, the two

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largest components of the general fund

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revenues is property taxes and sales

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tax.

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>> And you might want to might wonder,

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well, why is the amended budget 30.6

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million on property tax?

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Projection is 32.5,

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and then the proposed is 31.1.

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that's at a certain time a certain date

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and time. So, in July of this year,

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they're saying that the appraised values

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are X amount. Well, throughout the tax

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year,

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they submit supplemental

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valuation reports,

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typically those are higher than the what

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was originally certified. Consequently,

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the tax levy ends up being higher than

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what was originally budgeted, what was

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originally adopted, because of these

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supplemental

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valuation increases.

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the the 2 million difference between the

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amended budget and the year-end

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projection.

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revenues, I have a I have assumed

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the no new revenue rate of 0.497231

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is what will be adopted. So, that's

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where the 31 is coming in.

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likely, based on previous history,

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likely will increase resulting in larger

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property tax revenues.

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if you go down to the expenditures for

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me. Thank you.

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Here are the various departments that

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are covered into the general fund.

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there's uh some staff

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personnel that are in there, and then

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the the pay for the mayor and the

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commissioners are all is also included

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in that department. Finance is, as you

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expect, finance. Uh

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legal, purchasing, planning, which is

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also includes engineering.

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uh human resources, and communications.

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and human resources, communications,

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neighborhood improvement services,

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and facility management were all

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departments that were added

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in last fiscal year.

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anyway, so um police, fire, neighborhood

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improvement services used to be a piece

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of the fire department, and then it was

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broken out to a separate department.

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report to the fire chain of command.

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court, emergency management, public

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works, sanitation, pump station, uh the

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aforementioned facility management,

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recreation and tourism, library, golf

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administration are the last of the two

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of those.

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the uh expenditure side of well,

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scroll up a little bit and we'll stay on

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previous uh excuse me, on that page. I'm

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sorry.

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Um here we go.

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The beginning fund balance for

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the the current fiscal year

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confident in that number because the

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24-25 audit has not been completed. It

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is in progress

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subsequent fund balances I'm not

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terribly confident in right now. By the

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time I bring you the adopted the budget

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for you to adopt, hopefully we'll have

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that more um

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knocked down or in detail. Um the

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currently doing the 24-25 audit

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and they expect to be done with their

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field work, which is their

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uh in-depth testing of accounts payable,

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accounts receivable, all the things that

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September 18th. So once they're done

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better numbers closer we get to

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So this is a more detailed view of the

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revenues

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penalties, and interest. Other taxes and

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assessments, the the big ones

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um and then our tax New Mexico power

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franchise tax is also a big component

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then the next grouping is all the

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various licenses and permits.

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charges for services,

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which is the big one there is uh

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garbage pick up and disposal,

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budget-wise for total revenues is 81.8

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conservative when we budget for

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before commission to revise the revenue

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items.

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evaluations from the CAD, we don't

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usually bring it back before commission

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84 million in spend on 81 million in

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81.8, 82, there's roughly a 2 million

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>> Mhm.

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>> there.

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>> Mhm.

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>> So, then would that come from general

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fund or some reserve fund to cover that

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or we're hoping for the revenues to come

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>> Well, look, it it would be coming from

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the fund balance.

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Um

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historically, like I said, we budget um

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conservatively on the revenue side and

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try to be as tight as possible on the

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expenditure side.

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Um

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I don't like having the 2.3 deficit,

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obviously.

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The city charter requires that the

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revenues or the expenditures not exceed

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revenues for the entire budget, not just

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one fund.

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So.

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Um

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Like you know, this is the first

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look at this and um

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I'm hoping to bring back a a better total.

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>> Understood. Yeah, it's my perception

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that we're behind on certain areas and

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we may may need to catch up on

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investment and I'm I'm assuming we'll

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get further into that here in a moment.

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But I I do want to draw out for the

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other commissioners that I've been

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beating the drum about the need for more

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development, residential developments,

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commercial development, but

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expanding development in our city will

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help, not immediately, but over some

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amount of time, drive more property tax

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and sales tax revenues. Is that a fair

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summary?

329
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>> I think that's fair.

330
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>> Yeah.

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Thank you.

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>> [clears throat]

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>> You can go to expense right next

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expenditure.

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Here's the general government I can't

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department.

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Um

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as we go through these different

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departments, if if you'd like to ask

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questions, I'm I'll entertain those.

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I will tell you

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um

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for all the general fund departments

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um even those that had requested um

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personnel increases

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the numbers that I'm providing to you

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here assume a 3% cost of living

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uh a

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adjustment and uh does not include

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funding for any

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new positions.

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» [clears throat]

353
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>> So, I just wanted to make that note.

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So, on the general fund uh Uh me,

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general government department,

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>> [clears throat]

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>> they currently have uh

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seven employees.

359
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And they did not request any additional.

360
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You want to scroll down to the finance?

361
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>> Finance?

362
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next, there we go.

363
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The uh finance department currently has

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nine personnel and no

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request for additional.

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And the total the

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Yeah, go to the total. Yeah.

368
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Six Sorry. Go back up there.

369
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Almost 6 million budgeted there.

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Um in the finance department, it

371
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not just uh the usual

372
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uh expenditures.

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The TIRZ tax payments come out of the finance department and any sales tax

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rebates

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um come out of here with a

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50/50 split between the the finance

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department and the EDC.

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And go to the

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next.

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>> B- Before you move forward, I'm I'm

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trying to find that in my own copy. I

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had written some notes on it, but

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the if I'm reading this correctly, Ms.

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Boyd, there's a jump from 4.2 to almost

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6. What are some of the

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chunky

387
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parts of that increase?

388
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>> Well, the biggest one looks like to be

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it's the contractual services.

390
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You want to go to the

391
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Yeah.

392
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» The the 1.5 on the insurance.

393
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>> Right. Well, if you notice the

394
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current budget has nothing there.

395
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I'm not sure where the insurance That's

396
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something we're trying to

397
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>> Where was insurance for this fiscal

398
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period?

399
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>> it was I mean it was paid. I just don't

400
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know exactly where it was paid from.

401
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Normally it would be would have been

402
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paid out of where I have it budgeted

403
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for.

404
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>> Maybe it's in one of those sub-accounts.

405
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>> I'll let you

406
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I'll let I'll I will answer that when I

407
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find out where it is. But

408
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rest assured the insurance has been

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paid. It's just not been paid out of

410
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where it usually had been paid from.

411
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» So that's 1.5 difference, 1.5 million

412
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difference out of the 1.8 commissioner.

413
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>> I mean that's Yeah.

414
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>> Very good.

415
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>> It's a pretty big chunk pretty big chunk

416
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right there.

417
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>> Yeah.

418
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>> Yes.

419
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>> I had very diligent notes and then my

420
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computer crashed and I lost most of them

421
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so I'm struggling to catch up. But

422
00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,240
please continue Ms. Boyd.

423
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>> You want to go to the legal department?

424
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Uh currently there is one person in the

425
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legal department that's paid

426
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salary and benefits from the city.

427
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And then um

428
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we contract for legal fees.

429
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That shows up in the professional fees

430
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line item. And then the court prosecutor

431
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fees

432
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um

433
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previously [clears throat] they were

434
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recorded out of um municipal court but

435
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it's more appropriate that it come from

436
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the legal department. So that's why it's

437
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in here instead of municipal court.

438
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>> So to the extent that we incur expense

439
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incremental expense to handle litigation

440
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and I'm assuming then we would use

441
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outside legal services to defend

442
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ourselves against any suits, is that in

443
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that professional fees line item?

444
00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,839
>> Uh yes. And also most of the departments

445
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have a professional fees line item.

446
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Sometimes it it's

447
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for example if it's a police matter,

448
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then it would come from the police

449
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professional fees.

450
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It would be department specific.

451
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>> Yeah, that's specifically what I was

452
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looking for. That is my perception is we

453
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have ongoing litigation. I don't I don't

454
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know that.

455
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But where is that being paid for? And so

456
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maybe it's

457
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>> It would be dependent on the department

458
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that's involved.

459
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>> Noted. Thank you. [clears throat]

460
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>> We'll go to

461
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purchasing.

462
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there's currently one

463
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person.

464
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Um

465
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just a couple of days ago there were two

466
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people.

467
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Um so there's transition going on in in

468
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that uh department. Um

469
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basically staying flat with what the

470
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projection versus the budget.

471
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You go to the next.

472
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>> Does

473
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this reflect one or two people?

474
00:18:08,360 --> 00:18:10,200
>> The proposed budget right now is

475
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reflecting one person.

476
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» So

477
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we're not intending to backfill then?

478
00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,240
>> That hasn't been decided yet.

479
00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,680
The planning department is also

480
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engineering.

481
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Um

482
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and uh there are three people in that

483
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department currently.

484
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Um

485
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the biggest ticket on this uh

486
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department, well, the two items,

487
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professional fees and Connect

488
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Transportation.

489
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Connect Trans- Transportation is the

490
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city's uh contractual obligation to

491
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Connect Transit.

492
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And then the professional fees, there

493
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are numerous um

494
00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:56,040
entities that are doing work

495
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engineering and planning wise, and that

496
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comes out of that line item.

497
00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,280
>> A couple of things um before we put away

498
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purchasing. So, um

499
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it was my perception that under the

500
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previous administration there had been

501
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some amount of effort to centralize

502
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procurement in some way. I may be

503
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misstating that.

504
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But that previously on the decades

505
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prior, certain departments that procure

506
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a lot of things had their own

507
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procurement-related

508
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capability.

509
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>> [clears throat]

510
00:19:26,360 --> 00:19:29,120
>> So, if we're currently considering do we

511
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backfill or do we not backfill, does

512
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that have some impact then on this other

513
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capacity or am I just wrong about my

514
00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:35,920
notions on all that?

515
00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:37,440
>> Um

516
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All I'm going to tell you is how it

517
00:19:39,360 --> 00:19:41,720
like you said, decades previously, there

518
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was

519
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one purchasing person for

520
00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,480
all departments except for public works.

521
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had one dedicated person

522
00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,160
um that reported to public works

523
00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,800
director that was doing purchasing for

524
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public works utilities.

525
00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,480
Um

526
00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,800
It has not been decided yet as to if

527
00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,560
that's going to revert back to that or

528
00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:09,800
if some other

529
00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:11,280
variation.

530
00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,240
>> It would seem to make a lot of sense.

531
00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,280
The things that Jack's department

532
00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,960
procures have a high degree of technical

533
00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,760
specificity and complexity and so to try

534
00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:22,520
to centralize that in some way would

535
00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:23,720
seem

536
00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,720
like why? Why do that?

537
00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:27,800
>> Well, another uh component of

538
00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,280
centralized purchasing um

539
00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,360
you have to have a place to warehouse

540
00:20:33,360 --> 00:20:34,600
things.

541
00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:35,760
And

542
00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:36,720
anyway,

543
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,280
that's another component of it. So,

544
00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:40,240
um

545
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:40,680
>> Thank you.

546
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,600
>> Commissioner, it hasn't been decided yet

547
00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,280
as to how that's going to be handled.

548
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:46,720
Um

549
00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,280
I will present what public works has

550
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,000
requested and then it'll be

551
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,240
uh

552
00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:53,720
commission to determine how they want to

553
00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:54,680
proceed with it.

554
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,240
>> Okay, thank you. Uh moving ahead to

555
00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:57,760
planning then.

556
00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,840
So, the um this has been a topic um that

557
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,320
I've discussed with a number of people

558
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:07,440
um in one-to-one discussions that given

559
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,240
the sheer volume of

560
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,760
potential, I'm optimistic about it. I

561
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,480
think hopefully for the assembled public

562
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,120
and other commissioners, we've connected

563
00:21:16,120 --> 00:21:18,440
the dots between we need things like

564
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,680
Latitude Margaritaville to help

565
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,360
improve our revenue situation.

566
00:21:24,360 --> 00:21:26,160
But whether people agree with me on that

567
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:27,640
or not,

568
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:28,920
there

569
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,680
will be a lot of engineering associated

570
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,680
with that and engineering of different

571
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,280
types. I'm no engineer here, but I think

572
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,880
there's probably 15 or 20 different

573
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types of engineering specificities that

574
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:45,080
are needed for that. And so a discussion

575
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:46,600
that's

576
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,920
I've been a part of a few of. Sorry,

577
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:50,080
speaking

578
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:51,760
extemporaneously.

579
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,480
I've been in a few discussions about

580
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,120
best practices that we might see in

581
00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:56,400
other cities around us, which would

582
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,640
involve utilizing a third-party

583
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,440
engineering firm

584
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,280
where it makes sense for them to have

585
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:04,720
all those different

586
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,120
specialties. Where we need those on an

587
00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:09,160
ad hoc basis, we utilize this

588
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,200
third-party engineering firm. And as I

589
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,240
also understand it, those third-party

590
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,160
engineering firms are largely paid for

591
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,520
by fees that are incurred through the

592
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,680
permits.

593
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,720
Most recently this week what I had heard

594
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,480
was, "Yeah, but Jason, we can't do that

595
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,320
because it's too expensive."

596
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,240
Now whether this is all hearsay and

597
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,200
innuendo or not, as I look at the

598
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,720
planning expenditures then, and I think

599
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,160
that we have an interim city engineer,

600
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:36,720
as I look at these line items, is that

601
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,160
assume that we're backfilling should Mr.

602
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,680
Knipper move on to whatever's next? Or

603
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:42,960
what what assumptions should we make

604
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,040
about personnel in the planning

605
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:48,950
department?

606
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,930
There was a lot there, huh?

607
00:22:50,930 --> 00:22:52,440
>> [laughter]

608
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:53,440
>> Well, I have a question.

609
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:54,920
>> It's kind of a sensitive point though,

610
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,480
because there's a a backlog of

611
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,600
>> Well, Commissioner, the the

612
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,120
ongoing projects

613
00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:06,360
within the city does use

614
00:23:06,360 --> 00:23:08,600
third-party engineers.

615
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,600
Um and then depending on the project

616
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,320
um

617
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,800
other engineers could be brought in. I

618
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,280
mean that that's standard operating

619
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:19,680
procedure.

620
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,600
Regardless if there is an interim city

621
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,720
engineer or a full-time city engineer,

622
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,320
there's

623
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:26,840
other engineers that are involved

624
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,240
depending on the project.

625
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,000
>> Understood. What I understand

626
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,400
>> is at the the Are there

627
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,200
on behalf of the city?

628
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:35,280
>> Yes, ma'am.

629
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,440
Um sorry. Pardon me. I I never want to

630
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,560
offend or speak over you. The But where

631
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,200
I'm going with this is if you're a

632
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:43,600
developer and let's say that you're

633
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,400
trying to build 3,500 homes in our city

634
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:47,800
and then you're pre-selling out in

635
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,240
advance

636
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,240
and you make commitments to

637
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:53,880
Mr. and Mrs. Boyd that their home is

638
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,240
going to be ready on date certain.

639
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,400
Then whenever they need an inspection,

640
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,040
they really need it done within a really

641
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,520
narrow time frame. And now if I have 500

642
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,080
of those homes being constructed all in

643
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,160
tandem, that would easily exceed our

644
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:10,040
capacity to respond with the horsepower,

645
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,240
the manpower that we have.

646
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:13,760
So so

647
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,360
I can table this for discussion with the

648
00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:16,920
mayor and others at a later time, but I

649
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:18,520
just wanted to

650
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,840
if if indeed this Margaritaville

651
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,440
development happens and I'm hopeful it

652
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:23,600
does,

653
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,760
that could put a significant strain on

654
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,840
our ability to respond timely with all

655
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,280
sorts of inspections.

656
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:32,640
>> Ms. Boyd, do you mind if I

657
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:33,320
>> Sure.

658
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,360
>> Uh Commissioner Delgado, I think um

659
00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:36,520
you're specifically referring to the

660
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,440
Margaritaville, you know, the influx of

661
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,040
homes and if we can keep up with the

662
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:41,760
demand of them building. Is that what

663
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:42,480
you're speaking to?

664
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:43,600
>> I exactly that.

665
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,120
>> Um through the workshops that we've had

666
00:24:46,120 --> 00:24:49,040
with Margaritaville, um I believe and

667
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:50,600
anybody else involved can correct me if

668
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:51,920
I'm wrong.

669
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,920
I believe they're going to be putting

670
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,600
100% of that bill.

671
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,040
I think they said 110% of it

672
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,560
that they're going to be covering, so

673
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:03,520
>> And

674
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,040
even though there's going to be a lot of

675
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:06,280
homes that they're doing it in more than

676
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,600
one phase, the first phase is probably

677
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,160
maybe 400 acres and they're only going

678
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,360
to build 50 homes a month. And in

679
00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:15,120
discussing this with

680
00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:17,000
Dirk Knipper, they'll be able to keep up

681
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,640
with 50 homes a month.

682
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,920
>> So be it. Just what I'm making sure is

683
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,520
that we're not planning to do a lot of

684
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,600
hiring when we could utilize

685
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,680
third parties as a best practice and

686
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:29,920
particularly when we don't have to pay

687
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,960
those third parties up front, that their

688
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,560
cost is covered by the fees that are

689
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:34,880
incurred.

690
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,320
>> If that comes to point, I'm sure that

691
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,800
third party will come into play.

692
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:39,680
>> Fantastic. Thank you.

693
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:40,840
>> Um

694
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,800
when we use a third party

695
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,480
engineering company, they don't always

696
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,400
control your staff

697
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,080
like what we have.

698
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:51,680
With Dirk Knipper, he's over engineering

699
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,400
with our staff.

700
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,040
>> Now, the third party engineers

701
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:55,560
>> That's our problem.

702
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:56,880
>> controlling our staff.

703
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,160
>> the head of our engineering with a third

704
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,040
party. We have to do both.

705
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:01,960
>> Right.

706
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:02,960
>> All right, let's go find one that will

707
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,040
do that stuff.

708
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,800
>> Yeah, the search is still ongoing.

709
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,400
We did interview third party engineering

710
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,440
group and they did not want to manage

711
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,680
the staff, evaluate the staff, assign

712
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,000
assignments, so

713
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,720
that company didn't work out.

714
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:18,520
>> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's

715
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:19,720
kind of the problem, right?

716
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,590
>> Yes.

717
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:24,840
» You want to go to

718
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:30,070
IT?

719
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,840
Here we got IT and they've got four

720
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,760
personnel and they've requested

721
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,320
one administrative assistant.

722
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,040
Um

723
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,800
the big ticket item for

724
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,320
Slow down.

725
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,510
Um

726
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:47,800
one of the big ticket items is

727
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,120
communications and a couple of years ago

728
00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:53,720
or maybe this current fiscal year. Now

729
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,480
it was it was 24 25 from what I recall.

730
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,360
The communications

731
00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:00,760
budget was

732
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,960
put all in innovation and technology.

733
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,383
Previously um

734
00:27:06,383 --> 00:27:06,640
>> [clears throat]

735
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,480
>> each department, if applicable, would

736
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,840
have a communications line item, but

737
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,600
then it was all moved into uh IT.

738
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,120
Um IT also takes care of the um

739
00:27:18,120 --> 00:27:21,520
maintenance contracts or renewals and

740
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,560
licenses for various software that is

741
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,680
used across city departments. Now if

742
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,760
it's a specific software that's used by

743
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,600
one department, that department will be

744
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,040
responsible for paying for that

745
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:34,320
software.

746
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:35,560
But um

747
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,640
if it's a citywide uh

748
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,640
system, then IT pays for that in their

749
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,560
budget.

750
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,600
>> It Is that feasible to have four people

751
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,280
do

752
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:47,520
>> I

753
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,320
>> Um it's uh

754
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,480
They're very busy and and you know,

755
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,040
they've requested

756
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,880
an admin assistant

757
00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:00,320
um to handle some of the paperwork and and that sort of

758
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,440
thing. That way they can be out the the

759
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,240
other four can be out in the field

760
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,560
handling um

761
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,000
whatever needs to be handled at various

762
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,760
other departments.

763
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:11,960
>> Thank you.

764
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,760
I I'll defer to to Joe on this, but I I

765
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,080
met with himself and Kyle on this that

766
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,320
um I'm I'm a big fan of investing in IT

767
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,280
because it can enable more automation

768
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,480
and more throughput and more efficiency

769
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,360
and more services. So I I was

770
00:28:28,360 --> 00:28:29,680
personally expecting to see a

771
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,400
significant

772
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,600
a bigger increase right here, but I but

773
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,400
I'll defer to Joe thinks this is right

774
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,320
then then so be it.

775
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,400
>> Well, obviously we'd like to have

776
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,014
three or four more.

777
00:28:42,014 --> 00:28:44,390
>> [laughter]

778
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,200
» I think my private coaching was this is

779
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,200
an area of the staff I would suggest

780
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,040
doubling it.

781
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:51,800
Yeah, but if if one is is the

782
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,320
incremental step

783
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:54,880
supported by the mayor then then so be

784
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,120
it.

785
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:57,520
>> Of course the other side of that coin is

786
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:02,870
if you have good systems that work well

787
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,040
you might not necessarily need

788
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:05,960
>> Right.

789
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,040
I don't think we have that though, do

790
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,870
we?

791
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:11,470
>> [laughter]

792
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:12,600
» It's

793
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,520
well never mind. Um

794
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,560
we can go to the uh human resources.

795
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,040
>> One question, what's the

796
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:20,720
what's contractual services and

797
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,360
communications? What what's the

798
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,280
difference between

799
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,480
>> Can you go back to that page, please?

800
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,950
>> Is is [clears throat] that

801
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,520
» Contractual ser-

802
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,960
services is the total of all of those um

803
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,720
security through workers comp.

804
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,670
>> Okay, thank you.

805
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:44,960
» Now we're going to go to um

806
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:49,470
human resources.

807
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,080
Like I said, this department was created

808
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:51,720
in

809
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,160
um

810
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,440
in 24/25.

811
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,760
It was previously part of

812
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,880
the overall administration department

813
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:01,360
which had um

814
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,360
city secretary, human resources, finance

815
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:06,280
um

816
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,720
all combined and then it it got split

817
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,120
out. Anyway, there's uh four folks that

818
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,760
work in human resources right now.

819
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,240
Um

820
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,840
and uh they have all the the usual

821
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,720
expenditures for a department.

822
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:25,750
Um

823
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,120
» The number is decreasing.

824
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,360
Are we are we are we

825
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,000
going down an FTE there and is that what

826
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:35,920
we're going to do?

827
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,760
>> Until recently it was five people. Now

828
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:37,920
it's

829
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,840
>> that's what I was thinking it was five.

830
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,440
>> Yes.

831
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,720
Now there's only four. Um

832
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:45,960
>> And we're we're planning to stay that

833
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,440
way.

834
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:52,870
>> That hasn't been decided yet.

835
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:57,790
And next department is communications.

836
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,640
This is also newly formed department. Uh

837
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:10,270
This is uh media relations uh

838
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,520
Jennifer and Derek and

839
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,800
uh one other staff person.

840
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,520
Um they have requested an another

841
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,000
communications specialist.

842
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,720
Um I will tell you

843
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,520
this is not their only budget. They have

844
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,640
uh line items that pertain to them in

845
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,360
EDC, uh the dike fund, and uh hotel

846
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,640
motel occupancy tax fund.

847
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,280
Those are funds that'll be covered in

848
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,160
the next budget workshop. This is

849
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,400
strictly

850
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,360
what is covered for their department out

851
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:46,870
of the general fund.

852
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,360
Any questions on that?

853
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,120
>> It's the EDC

854
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,800
the what are the other funds?

855
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,160
>> Hotel motel occupancy,

856
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,080
uh dike fund

857
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:58,160
>> Uh thank you.

858
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,120
>> cultural arts

859
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:00,400
>> Yeah.

860
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,240
>> Sue, are we are we adding head count in

861
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,640
this area from this year to next cuz it

862
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,600
looks like there's a

863
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,720
like a 60% increase?

864
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,760
>> Can you go back up to the salaries line

865
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:13,582
up?

866
00:32:13,582 --> 00:32:13,840
>> [clears throat]

867
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,080
>> Um

868
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,480
I'm not sure where the current

869
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,040
salary line the current amended budget

870
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,920
that number is.

871
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,880
>> Was it in a queue? Now it's three.

872
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:27,200
>> Yeah.

873
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:28,880
>> That's why it's changed because of

874
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,160
Camilla.

875
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:31,720
It was two and then Harvey period one

876
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,120
spot. Now we're looking for a fourth

877
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,670
one. That's

878
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,520
» And I don't know when the third

879
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:38,800
person was hired.

880
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,120
>> That's me.

881
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:41,720
Okay.

882
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,160
>> Yes, so she won't be on

883
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,000
>> Anyway, that would account for the

884
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,560
biggest difference

885
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,520
and all the benefits

886
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,830
attached there to.

887
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:59,950
And next department, police.

888
00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:05,120
Not surprisingly, police has a large budget. Um

889
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:06,960
the um

890
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,840
the head count

891
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,680
not counting open positions. This is

892
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,480
what's currently filled is a total of

893
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,520
110.

894
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,160
84 officers and 26 civilians.

895
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,840
Um that salary line item is only

896
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,640
accounting for

897
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,960
the currently filled positions

898
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:34,793
with a 3% increase.

899
00:33:34,803 --> 00:33:36,280
» [clears throat]

900
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,280
>> Is it unusual to pay the

901
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:39,800
700,000

902
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,920
a year in overtime or

903
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,120
I mean

904
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,200
>> Well, because of the

905
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,680
short staffed, then

906
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,390
um

907
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,720
I mean, the 527 year-end projection

908
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,760
not a pro- All the year-end projections

909
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,520
I need to preface this with it saying

910
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:58,960
that all the year-end projections will

911
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,640
change before you adopt the budget. This

912
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,200
is as of

913
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,920
a couple of days ago

914
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,560
extrapolated out two more months.

915
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,000
Um

916
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,720
So, the overtime

917
00:34:12,720 --> 00:34:15,040
may not be 700,000 for the upcoming

918
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,480
year, but

919
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:16,840
>> Okay.

920
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,200
>> Um we budgeted for it.

921
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,159
>> It's a projection. Yeah, um Commissioner

922
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:22,120
Getches says the

923
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,440
just building on top of what he said.

924
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,360
Looking at that consistently across a

925
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,120
3-year spread, it suggests we're

926
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,040
understaffed. And if we're meeting the

927
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,840
need through overtime,

928
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,120
then it seems like we need to add head

929
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:35,520
count.

930
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,639
Is that Is that a fair summary, Mayor

931
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:38,080
Carson?

932
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,200
>> Yes, exactly.

933
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:40,000
>> So,

934
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,560
and Interim Chief Patterson can answer

935
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,360
those questions.

936
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,000
>> Yeah, and my understanding is long

937
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,960
before ever I

938
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,520
was elected, that's been an ongoing

939
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,120
thread. What I also understand from

940
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:52,520
talking with

941
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,200
a lot of folks in the know is we've been

942
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,200
eligible for certain grants

943
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,440
to expand head count and that for

944
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,440
different reasons that hasn't worked

945
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,280
out. Is that Is that a fair

946
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:06,720
>> Well, on the the couple of the grants

947
00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:09,080
that I'm familiar with, um, had

948
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,920
requirements for hiring.

949
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,080
And if you didn't hire

950
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,040
Correct me if I'm wrong, James. If you

951
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,960
didn't hire

952
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,960
by a certain time, then you weren't

953
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,120
going to get the money.

954
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:23,880
>> Yeah, so the the grants that the grants

955
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,640
I'm talking about were from the prior

956
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,880
administration. So, my scope now on

957
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,720
those would be somewhat

958
00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:32,910
small.

959
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,000
But there is hiring difficulties with

960
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,520
the the police department. Not

961
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,120
specifically to the department, but the

962
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,720
candidates that are that are

963
00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:42,640
applying.

964
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,960
>> Yeah, as I've as I've, um, tried to come

965
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,760
up to speed on a number of these things,

966
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,640
one of the things that I I do is I look

967
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,000
to cities that are similar to us.

968
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,800
Large industrial base.

969
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,040
Growing similarly. And so that leads to

970
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,200
LaPorte, Deer Park, Port Arthur, others

971
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,320
that are more like us.

972
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,000
And consistently when you look at a

973
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,320
patrol officers to

974
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,480
citizens, like a per capita measure, it

975
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,320
says we are grossly understaffed. Is

976
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,320
that Is that I'm just off on the new

977
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:16,520
guy, or would you agree?

978
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,360
>> I would not argue against that fact. No,

979
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:19,840
not at all.

980
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,560
>> Yeah. And so then when you're grossly

981
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,680
understaffed, then the way that you try

982
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,240
to address need is through lots and lots

983
00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:29,600
of overtime.

984
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,080
Which then leads to other challenges. Is

985
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,040
that also a fair summary?

986
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,600
Morale, people are worked to the bone.

987
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,790
>> That would be fair to say.

988
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,480
» Okay. It seems like maybe that's

989
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,120
something that needs some more offline

990
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,560
discussion of what can we do to try to

991
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,080
remedy that?

992
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,440
Hey.

993
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,040
Is there an elephant in the room?

994
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:52,615
>> No.

995
00:36:52,615 --> 00:36:54,600
>> [laughter]

996
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,560
>> They got the process started

997
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,120
a few months back.

998
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,560
>> And the And the termination pay is when

999
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:01,920
the officers retire

1000
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:02,360
>> Yes.

1001
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:03,440
>> or resign.

1002
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:04,320
>> Yes.

1003
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,280
>> And then I guess it's the

1004
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,120
for the chief were

1005
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:12,190
clothing we got 140,625.

1006
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:13,640
Is that because we have so many

1007
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,640
different uniforms or is that just what

1008
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,320
it takes? We

1009
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,280
I don't see any two officers wearing the

1010
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:21,400
same

1011
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,320
uniform.

1012
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,440
There's different polos and

1013
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,000
>> Yeah, so there there are uniform

1014
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,200
options. There's a lot that goes into

1015
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:31,880
It's not just clothing and uniforms.

1016
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,200
There are

1017
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,120
uh equipment items that are purchased

1018
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,400
out of that line as well such as

1019
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,790
radio batteries,

1020
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,040
duty rigs,

1021
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:44,560
uh handcuffs,

1022
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,840
handcuff pouches, holsters.

1023
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,280
Uh those types of things are also

1024
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,000
purchased out of that line.

1025
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,190
>> I

1026
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,040
» You can use the police officer

1027
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:59,150
You can use the microphone.

1028
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,000
» Yeah, I think we have more questions.

1029
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,840
This is an area of high interest.

1030
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,120
>> Four year

1031
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:07,960
You want to use that?

1032
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:08,720
>> Get comfy.

1033
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:14,950
>> Can I get to sit down and dig into it?

1034
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:15,720
» All right.

1035
00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:17,760
I got one to the the food and jail

1036
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,040
supplies.

1037
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,840
And I don't know, but do we house other

1038
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,160
agencies inmates?

1039
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,480
>> So, yes, we currently have a

1040
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,480
MOU with Clear Lake Shores and we do

1041
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,920
house their municipal Class C inmates.

1042
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,720
Yes.

1043
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:36,320
>> That's it? Just Clear Lake Shores?

1044
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,000
>> Correct. Currently in the process of

1045
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,920
working with

1046
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,040
The prior administration agreed to have

1047
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,880
the same type of MOU with Hitchcock and

1048
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,320
that has not started as far as I'm

1049
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,000
aware. There were some They're waiting

1050
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,200
We're still waiting on their municipal

1051
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,760
paperwork and their judge information.

1052
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,000
>> What would be the benefit for the city?

1053
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,000
>> Commissioner Sharpley, can't hear you.

1054
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,760
>> What would be the benefit

1055
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:00,920
to that?

1056
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,480
>> It does It does provide a source of

1057
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,080
revenue for

1058
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:08,960
the city.

1059
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,440
Currently, they pay $50 per calendar day

1060
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,960
that a subject is there. I would say

1061
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,240
that it doesn't cost us $50 to feed and

1062
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:20,320
or house that that inmate. So, it it is

1063
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,760
a revenue source, plus it's a good faith

1064
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,920
gesture to surrounding law enforcement

1065
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:26,520
agencies.

1066
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,120
>> But, we're liable to them, too, right?

1067
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:28,920
When they're in our jail?

1068
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,200
>> That That would be accurate. Yes.

1069
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,000
>> All right. One other one. I don't

1070
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:32,760
remember what it's called. There's a

1071
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,520
grant, correct me if I'm wrong,

1072
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,240
and we used to have it.

1073
00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:39,000
Pull people [snorts] over. I'm sorry.

1074
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,440
That's my bad. Pull people over

1075
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:42,840
and they supply it. You know You have

1076
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:43,560
any idea what I'm talking about?

1077
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,080
>> Yeah, the selective traffic enforcement

1078
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,440
program, STEP grant. Yes, sir.

1079
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:48,480
>> You think that's something we could try

1080
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:49,720
to do again or are we looking

1081
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:51,040
>> We currently still have it. And

1082
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,040
actually, last year our STEP grant was

1083
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,760
almost doubled. So, we went from I

1084
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,880
think Well, not quite doubled.

1085
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,080
Our That current grant is a $49,000

1086
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,000
grant, but it's a match grant. So, the

1087
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,480
city matches half of that grant with the

1088
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:07,560
state.

1089
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,040
>> So, we never stopped doing that?

1090
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:10,480
>> No, it's still ongoing.

1091
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,520
>> I apologize. I'm sorry. This is

1092
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:13,640
important.

1093
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:18,520
>> So, now, does any of the inmates from other agencies

1094
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,120
Do we have our judge?

1095
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:21,320
>> No.

1096
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,400
>> He has no participation at all with

1097
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:23,600
that.

1098
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,200
>> Correct. So, the agreement with Clear

1099
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,880
Lake Shores is they provide they have a

1100
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,800
safe that is in the jail where all of

1101
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,920
their money

1102
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,640
goes. They have a judge that responds to

1103
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,160
our facility to magistrate and or make

1104
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,400
determinations as far as their inmates.

1105
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,200
Uh their police officers obviously

1106
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,280
transport here. Uh we don't transport

1107
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,680
for them. So, they basically rent our

1108
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,360
jail facility from us, but they're a

1109
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,440
self-contained unit outside of that. At

1110
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,920
the end of each month, we run a report

1111
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,440
that shows how many inmates they had in

1112
00:40:58,440 --> 00:40:59,600
the jail.

1113
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,680
Uh we provide that to finance and they

1114
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,200
invoice Clear Lake Shores who then

1115
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,600
uh submits payment to the city.

1116
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,800
>> And one one last question. If if we have

1117
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,160
an a suicide or

1118
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,160
a major incident in the jail, it's on

1119
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,640
our city or their legal team picks up

1120
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,200
their inmate?

1121
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,160
>> That's a great question. We have not

1122
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:23,880
dealt with that type of situation at the

1123
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,080
moment. Like I said, we're we are

1124
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,960
housing their Class C arrests. So, any

1125
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,720
Class B and above or serious offenses

1126
00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:33,960
would go straight to Galveston County.

1127
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,240
Uh that's something that we have not

1128
00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:37,480
dealt with.

1129
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:38,920
Um so, I I don't have

1130
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,840
>> look into that for me with the with our

1131
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:41,760
legal people?

1132
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:42,080
>> Mhm.

1133
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:42,560
>> I don't

1134
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,560
>> But we are liable.

1135
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,080
We do accept the liability when they're

1136
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:46,960
in our jail, right?

1137
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,840
>> Like sitting here right now, I would say

1138
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,200
yes. I I do believe. I'd have to revisit

1139
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:52,280
the contract, but yes.

1140
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:53,400
>> Yeah, they hung themselves, it'd

1141
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:54,560
probably fall under the same thing, I

1142
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:55,920
would think.

1143
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:56,280
>> Yeah.

1144
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:57,120
one would assume

1145
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:57,920
>> died in the happen?

1146
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:02,120
>> If someone dies in our custody, we're liable. Um

1147
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:06,280
back to the topic of legal. So, if we

1148
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,160
are being if we are the party to

1149
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,480
litigation, we're being sued for

1150
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,720
whatever the cause is, there a line item in here?

1151
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:16,560
>> Um yes, we do have a professional fees

1152
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,360
line item built into our budget.

1153
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,200
>> It's kind of small, huh? 80k to 96k? Or

1154
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:24,760
am I looking at the wrong line item?

1155
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,880
>> Uh fortunately, that is

1156
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,520
a line item that we are we've operated

1157
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,160
and we're currently

1158
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,000
in route to operate under that projected

1159
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,880
amount.

1160
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,360
I think if if we are administrating and

1161
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,040
doing our job efficiently, I I don't

1162
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:43,080
think that's a line item that we would

1163
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:44,880
expect to to

1164
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,360
supersede.

1165
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:47,400
>> Completely agree.

1166
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:47,880
>> Yeah.

1167
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,520
>> Completely I'm definitely for less

1168
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,920
police-related litigation and not more.

1169
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,760
Just we're this is a topic that we've

1170
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,000
when we were elected, we had a lot of

1171
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,920
things that were

1172
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,480
we were trying to address, but public

1173
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,800
safety was like the top three, and a lot

1174
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,600
of front porch, front lawn conversations

1175
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,480
about this matter. And so, the

1176
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,240
perception was is there's more

1177
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:09,840
litigation than is showing up right

1178
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,520
here, but but candidly, we don't know.

1179
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,560
Like this is a topic I think I spoke to

1180
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,200
you in the hallway. Like we we've been

1181
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,360
asking for information about this.

1182
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,160
I'll move on. Um the the line item there

1183
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,800
on equipment rental from 46k to 524,000,

1184
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,160
that's about a $480,000

1185
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:27,720
increase. What are we What are we

1186
00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:28,680
renting?

1187
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,880
>> So, the equipment the equipment rental

1188
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,040
line and that and that number may be

1189
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,880
offset a little bit based on

1190
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,720
prior budget movement. Um we mentioned

1191
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:40,360
the communications line was previously

1192
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,120
moved. Our communications line

1193
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:43,400
>> puts and takes from A to B.

1194
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,880
>> Yes, uh under prior administration. So,

1195
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,680
equipment rental is a line that we use.

1196
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,920
We have several contracts with, for

1197
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,680
instance, our body cameras are a

1198
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,320
contract item, our in-car cameras are a

1199
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,160
contract item. So, with Axon, the the

1200
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,400
actual business is Axon, um

1201
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,840
that's where we pull those funds from,

1202
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,000
having those contractual obligations.

1203
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,920
The other thing that may be included in

1204
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,640
that line

1205
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,640
would be flood cameras.

1206
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,080
Would come from an equipment rental

1207
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:15,640
line, so.

1208
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:16,800
>> Commissioners, just for the sake of

1209
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,800
time, we have about 11 minutes left. I

1210
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,080
don't know how far y'all want to get,

1211
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:21,800
how far how detailed you want to get,

1212
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,000
but we have Commissioner

1213
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,120
>> I think we're only about 40% through it,

1214
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,080
Mayor Garza. So So maybe we need to have

1215
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,600
a part two that allows more time.

1216
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,120
Yeah, I I think I had expressed to Joe, maybe I need my own meeting and we

1217
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,080
can just set aside a day. I got a lot of

1218
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:36,640
questions.

1219
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:37,240
Yeah.

1220
00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:38,200
>> I think everyone makes themselves

1221
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,880
available to ask some questions, so Miss Boyce sent this morning if we have

1222
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,960
any questions, she's available to take

1223
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:45,480
those questions.

1224
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:46,880
>> Well, and then the meeting on the 12th

1225
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,960
is at 5:00 and we'll cover

1226
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:51,960
the other funds and then revisit

1227
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,520
anything that was not answered or asked

1228
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,880
at this meeting.

1229
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,880
Can be taken care of

1230
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:01,000
next week's meeting.

1231
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,200
>> Okay, cuz we do have one comment from

1232
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,240
a citizen.

1233
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:06,960
>> So did you

1234
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,760
>> Can you get as far as you can maybe with

1235
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:09,960
>> Yeah.

1236
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,560
>> 5 minutes left or something?

1237
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:17,110
>> Uh fire department is next.

1238
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:18,281
Uh

1239
00:45:18,281 --> 00:45:18,360
>> [clears throat]

1240
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,120
>> in this one there are

1241
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,760
um 98 civil service

1242
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,320
plus civilians, which is 95 firefighters

1243
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,120
and three civilians.

1244
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:28,280
Um

1245
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,360
they requested one training officer, one

1246
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,480
assistant EMS director,

1247
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,280
and of course all the personnel for

1248
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,040
station five,

1249
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,680
which um I've not included in this.

1250
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:40,760
Um

1251
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,200
a big chunk of those um expenses won't

1252
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,120
come until later on in '27.

1253
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:48,920
Anyway, it it'll be brought back before

1254
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,200
commission to um

1255
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:52,640
fund that.

1256
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,870
Um

1257
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:57,720
So if you want to go to neighborhood

1258
00:45:57,720 --> 00:45:59,520
improvement services.

1259
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,360
>> Mayor, I I propose that if it's given

1260
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:02,760
we've got another meeting to start

1261
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,720
minutes that we need to park on this and

1262
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:06,560
I just for the record I've got a lot

1263
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,040
more on just police and I just want to

1264
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:10,680
address a comment made by Commissioner

1265
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:11,800
Knox and

1266
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,480
certainly I'm a big fan of Miss Boyd and

1267
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,600
I can send her my questions but the

1268
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,280
whole idea of this is let's have it out

1269
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:18,800
in the public.

1270
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,720
It needs to be out in the public so I

1271
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:22,080
think maybe we want to have another

1272
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:23,720
meeting that includes the public.

1273
00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:25,360
>> And what Miss Boyd said was that we do

1274
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,120
have to have have the second part next

1275
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:28,600
week and then we can go back to this

1276
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,200
part that we didn't finish cuz we do not

1277
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,000
have a commission meeting next week.

1278
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:32,760
>> That'd be great.

1279
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,400
>> Thank you.

1280
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,350
>> Um

1281
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:38,880
Neighborhood I'll just do this real

1282
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,480
quick. Neighborhood Improvement Services

1283
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,520
also known as code enforcement

1284
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,800
um is its own separate department um but

1285
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:52,200
they report to uh the fire department.

1286
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:57,550
And there are three of those employees.

1287
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:02,350
Moving on to Inspections.

1288
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,920
Department has currently has

1289
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,280
10 employees to handle all that's going

1290
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,360
on in Texas City.

1291
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,320
Um

1292
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,040
They don't have a whole a too big a

1293
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,390
change from uh

1294
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:26,550
the current year to to next year.

1295
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:27,840
And I'll just leave it at that.

1296
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,920
Municipal Court and the rest we can

1297
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,000
cover next week.

1298
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,280
>> We can reconvene. I like that idea.

1299
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:33,920
Um

1300
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:35,960
thank you Miss Boyd very much. Um for

1301
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:37,720
the sake of time we have one public

1302
00:47:37,720 --> 00:47:39,920
comment. Mr. Jose Boyce do you want to

1303
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:54,790
come up sir?

1304
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,040
» Thank you Mayor Mayor Garson

1305
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,280
Commissioners. I just had

1306
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,600
you know, this is very complicated for

1307
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,160
the community anyhow, but I just looked

1308
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,040
at three things

1309
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,840
for you to consider. Senate Bill 1851

1310
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,320
prohibits municipalities from raising

1311
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,480
tax rates above the no new revenue

1312
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,680
threshold if they fail to complete and

1313
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,080
submit required annual financial audits

1314
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:22,480
and statements.

1315
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,360
The next one is the most recent

1316
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,720
financial statement that was audited is

1317
00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:28,520
2024.

1318
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,520
And that it was called the 2024 annual

1319
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,520
comprehensive financial report

1320
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:37,520
PDF and the 2024 federal single audit

1321
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:38,960
report. That's the only thing that is

1322
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,200
posted.

1323
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:41,400
And then

1324
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,680
in that report, there were four sets of

1325
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,280
corrective actions included with the

1326
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,360
2024 audit report and they have some

1327
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,760
deadlines, some of which are in June,

1328
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,120
July, August, and September 30th 30th of

1329
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:56,440
this year.

1330
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,400
So, when I look at all that, my main

1331
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,360
concern is that how can we calculate a

1332
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,280
no new revenue threshold? Can can we do

1333
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,120
that effectively and perhaps legally

1334
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,400
if we don't have any audits to to use as

1335
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,040
a basis. Thank you very much.

1336
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:17,230
>> Thank you.

1337
00:49:17,240 --> 00:49:18,800
Mr. Boyce, just for the for the sake of

1338
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,800
the question, we do have an answer to

1339
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,400
that, so we'll definitely get back with

1340
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,110
you.

1341
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:26,720
Any No other comments? Is there a motion

1342
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:28,960
to adjourn?

1343
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:30,040
>> Make a motion to adjourn.

1344
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:30,640
>> Second.

1345
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,000
>> All in favor, say aye. All opposed, same

1346
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,240
sign. This meeting is adjourned.

1347
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:35,760
>> She said

1348
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:36,640
Good sign.

1349
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:37,160
>> Okay.

1350
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:38,840
>> Who seconded?

1351
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,080
>> Okay.