1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,600 Okay, I'd like to call to order the 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:04,880 regular meeting of the city of Village 3 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:08,880 of Douglas on Monday, August 17th. 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:10,920 And clerk, can we get a roll call vote, 5 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:12,320 please? 6 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:13,150 >> Farmer 7 00:00:13,150 --> 00:00:13,160 » Farmer 8 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:14,030 >> Here. 9 00:00:14,030 --> 00:00:14,040 » Here. 10 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:14,790 >> Freeman 11 00:00:14,790 --> 00:00:14,800 » Freeman 12 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:15,470 >> Here. 13 00:00:15,470 --> 00:00:15,480 » Here. 14 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:16,270 >> O'Malley 15 00:00:16,270 --> 00:00:16,280 » O'Malley 16 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:17,910 >> Here. 17 00:00:17,910 --> 00:00:17,920 » Here. 18 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:19,590 >> All right. Walker 19 00:00:19,590 --> 00:00:19,600 » All right. Walker 20 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:20,470 >> Here. 21 00:00:20,470 --> 00:00:20,480 » Here. 22 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,510 >> I have Seaver absent excused, West 23 00:00:23,510 --> 00:00:23,520 » I have Seaver absent excused, West 24 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,320 absent excused, and North. 25 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:27,430 >> Here. 26 00:00:27,430 --> 00:00:27,440 » Here. 27 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:28,630 >> We have a quorum. Will you please join 28 00:00:28,630 --> 00:00:28,640 » We have a quorum. Will you please join 29 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:33,910 me in the pledge? 30 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,480 » I pledge allegiance to the flag 31 00:00:36,480 --> 00:00:38,800 of the United States of America 32 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,920 and to the republic for which it stands, 33 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,720 one nation under God, indivisible, with 34 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:51,735 liberty and justice for all. 35 00:00:51,745 --> 00:00:55,910 » [clears throat] 36 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,320 » Okay, first on our agenda this evening 37 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,480 is the consent calendar, which tonight 38 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,280 includes approving the agenda for this 39 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:04,480 evening, 40 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,560 the regular meeting minutes from the 41 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,800 council for August 3rd, and the invoices 42 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:17,510 in the amount of $82,848.30. 43 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:18,880 I'll need a motion 44 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:20,110 >> I'll make a motion to approve the 45 00:01:20,110 --> 00:01:20,120 » I'll make a motion to approve the 46 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,120 consent calendar for 47 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:24,600 August 17th. 48 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:26,150 >> Second. 49 00:01:26,150 --> 00:01:26,160 » Second. 50 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,670 >> Okay, any discussion? 51 00:01:28,670 --> 00:01:28,680 » Okay, any discussion? 52 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,950 >> Uh I have one. Just a question on 53 00:01:31,950 --> 00:01:31,960 » Uh I have one. Just a question on 54 00:01:31,960 --> 00:01:33,680 and I have it somewhere. 55 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:34,680 Um Prime Group, 56 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:36,360 Water Street slope stabilization, is 57 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:37,880 that the whole thing including the 58 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,160 washout? Or are you going to have 59 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:41,840 another bill coming before what they had 60 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,590 to come down for that? 61 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,200 I thought they were doing it. 62 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,400 It's part of Like is that 63 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,030 >> That's for the project. That's for the 64 00:01:52,030 --> 00:01:52,040 » That's for the project. That's for the 65 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:53,160 project in the back. 66 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:53,510 >> Yeah. 67 00:01:53,510 --> 00:01:53,520 » Yeah. 68 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:54,950 >> Okay. I'll give you an update. 69 00:01:54,950 --> 00:01:54,960 » Okay. I'll give you an update. 70 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,030 >> And they've been helping us also with 71 00:01:57,030 --> 00:01:57,040 » And they've been helping us also with 72 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,720 the speed matters, too, because they 73 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,360 have the expertise in the background on 74 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:04,360 the Potter Street with with regards to 75 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,560 how to reduce the speed, the weight 76 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,160 limits, things like that. We had to have 77 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,880 those guidance as well. 78 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,910 >> I just didn't know if that was wash out. 79 00:02:13,910 --> 00:02:13,920 » I just didn't know if that was wash out. 80 00:02:13,920 --> 00:02:15,990 >> It's it's related to all of it. 81 00:02:15,990 --> 00:02:16,000 » It's it's related to all of it. 82 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:16,430 >> Okay. 83 00:02:16,430 --> 00:02:16,440 » Okay. 84 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:16,710 >> Yeah. 85 00:02:16,710 --> 00:02:16,720 » Yeah. 86 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:18,030 >> All right, just 87 00:02:18,030 --> 00:02:18,040 » All right, just 88 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:22,190 >> Yeah. Yeah, no, that's a good question. 89 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,270 Anyone else? 90 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:26,200 Hey. 91 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,150 >> Madam Clerk, please call the roll. 92 00:02:28,150 --> 00:02:28,160 » Madam Clerk, please call the roll. 93 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:29,110 >> Palmer? 94 00:02:29,110 --> 00:02:29,120 » Palmer? 95 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:29,750 >> Yes. 96 00:02:29,750 --> 00:02:29,760 » Yes. 97 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:30,470 >> Freeman? 98 00:02:30,470 --> 00:02:30,480 » Freeman? 99 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:31,030 >> Yes. 100 00:02:31,030 --> 00:02:31,040 » Yes. 101 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:31,830 >> O'Malley? 102 00:02:31,830 --> 00:02:31,840 » O'Malley? 103 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:32,350 >> Yes. 104 00:02:32,350 --> 00:02:32,360 » Yes. 105 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:33,510 >> Walker? 106 00:02:33,510 --> 00:02:33,520 » Walker? 107 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:34,110 >> Yes. 108 00:02:34,110 --> 00:02:34,120 » Yes. 109 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:34,630 >> North? 110 00:02:34,630 --> 00:02:34,640 » North? 111 00:02:34,640 --> 00:02:35,390 >> Yes. 112 00:02:35,390 --> 00:02:35,400 » Yes. 113 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,630 >> Motion carries. 114 00:02:37,630 --> 00:02:37,640 » Motion carries. 115 00:02:37,640 --> 00:02:39,520 As this our first opportunity for public 116 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,240 communication, 117 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,760 uh agenda items only, please. 118 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:46,920 Demetria. 119 00:02:46,920 --> 00:02:52,830 Amanda. 120 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:54,560 Hello. Hello. 121 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,120 Can you hear me? 122 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:58,800 Yeah. Good. Is it on? 123 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:00,710 >> Yes, yeah. 124 00:03:00,710 --> 00:03:00,720 » Yes, yeah. 125 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:01,750 >> No, I can't see. 126 00:03:01,750 --> 00:03:01,760 » No, I can't see. 127 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:02,990 >> Well, the Zoom people can't hear you, 128 00:03:02,990 --> 00:03:03,000 » Well, the Zoom people can't hear you, 129 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,000 that's why. 130 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,120 I can hear this one. [clears throat] 131 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,390 >> Uh Demetria, 143 Harbor Court. So, I 132 00:03:08,390 --> 00:03:08,400 » Uh Demetria, 143 Harbor Court. So, I 133 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,480 wanted to uh talk about 134 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,120 uh two items in the new business. Uh 135 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:14,720 first one is the 136 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,480 letter C, the noise ordinance amendment. 137 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,080 And I'm very happy to see this uh 138 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:22,440 revised. 139 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,362 Uh because 140 00:03:24,362 --> 00:03:24,470 >> [clears throat] 141 00:03:24,470 --> 00:03:24,480 » [clears throat] 142 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,030 >> you know, I live quite close to the 143 00:03:26,030 --> 00:03:26,040 » you know, I live quite close to the 144 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,760 Happy Living location, and you know, for 145 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:30,519 a period of time they were 146 00:03:30,519 --> 00:03:31,959 really up there 147 00:03:31,959 --> 00:03:33,440 early and 148 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,120 um sound travels. 149 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:39,120 Um I'm not sure how I might assess the 150 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,239 decibel issue, but 151 00:03:41,239 --> 00:03:42,000 um 152 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:42,640 ooh 153 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:44,959 I think that's all good. 154 00:03:44,959 --> 00:03:47,160 Um letter D, 155 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,160 um I hope that the council would approve 156 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:50,519 this. Um 157 00:03:50,519 --> 00:03:53,400 the request for the well 158 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,680 approval and 159 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,720 you know I can assure you that we won't 160 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,960 be tapping into 161 00:03:59,960 --> 00:04:02,880 other water sources. It's just a 162 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:03,600 very large [clears throat] 163 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,360 area to maintain and it's 164 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,560 purely for irrigation. So 165 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,640 those are my current comments so thank 166 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:12,880 you very much. 167 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:14,990 >> Thank you. 168 00:04:14,990 --> 00:04:15,000 » Thank you. 169 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:23,230 Anyone else? 170 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:24,120 » Hello, 171 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,520 my name is Anne Siering. I am on the 172 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,919 board of the Tower Harbor Condominium 173 00:04:28,919 --> 00:04:31,840 Association and I am here to support 174 00:04:31,840 --> 00:04:34,520 city approval of the well permit. 175 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,480 It has been years and years and years 176 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:40,200 long problem for our condo association. 177 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,280 As you may know we take and I think the 178 00:04:42,280 --> 00:04:43,520 report 179 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,880 and the emails from our board president 180 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:47,200 spells this out but we take water 181 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,080 currently from the Kalamazoo River and 182 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,120 it's been an ongoing problem. This would 183 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,400 allow us to take well and we're not 184 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,520 currently on any city water. 185 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,120 We'd just be digging a well. We wouldn't 186 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,360 be you know asking to connect connect to 187 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,120 city water and it would only be used for 188 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,240 irrigation purposes. 189 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,440 I think we've done a lot to increase our 190 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:07,520 value home values and I think the 191 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,840 verification of our property and helping 192 00:05:09,840 --> 00:05:11,160 us solve the problem would be very 193 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:12,400 helpful. 194 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:13,960 If during the agenda item you need any 195 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:15,880 additional information as it is a small 196 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:17,960 well it's not that much of a usage water 197 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:19,280 wise so 198 00:05:19,280 --> 00:05:20,919 hoping that uh 199 00:05:20,919 --> 00:05:23,760 it'll work out tonight. Thank you. 200 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,070 >> Thank you. 201 00:05:26,070 --> 00:05:26,080 » Thank you. 202 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,813 Anyone else? 203 00:05:28,813 --> 00:05:35,470 >> [clears throat] 204 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,200 » Brad Lobert City Manager, I have a few 205 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,160 updates for you. 206 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,320 Last week we had an I was present in a 207 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,800 meeting with Representative Andrews, 208 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,400 Daniel Franco, South Township Manager, 209 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:48,800 representatives from MDOT and the Road 210 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,680 Commission to discuss the specifically 211 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,280 Holland Street, Blue Star Highway, right 212 00:05:54,280 --> 00:05:57,200 by Blue Star Barns, but also the safety 213 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,360 of the entire Blue Star corridor. So, we 214 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,800 had floated a lot of good ideas to 215 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:03,880 um 216 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,680 what we could do temporarily to 217 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:08,160 change the 218 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,520 crosswalks, maybe put a light in, or 219 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:11,320 how it would 220 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,360 would look like. And just it was a good 221 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,480 session to lay out some ideas. You know, 222 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,200 there's a long-term plan for that for 223 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:20,840 the whole corridor, obviously from the 224 00:06:20,840 --> 00:06:22,720 from the expressway to the expressway, 225 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,200 but we're talking 3 to 5 years in the 226 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,280 future for anything so substantial. You 227 00:06:28,280 --> 00:06:29,480 know, you guys have talked about 228 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,040 roundabout here, but just just letting 229 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:33,480 you know that we had that discussion and 230 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,480 we're in the works of potentially making 231 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:36,760 changes. 232 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,120 Um 233 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,120 Senior millage passed 2 to 1. We were 234 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,280 happy to see that on the ballot in 235 00:06:43,280 --> 00:06:44,680 August, so we'll and we have a 236 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:46,160 commission district millage up in 237 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,600 November. We hope to see that pass as 238 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:49,480 well. 239 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,200 Uh we're in the process of looking at 240 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:52,960 our budget. We particularly took a good 241 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:54,760 look at it the last meeting. 242 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,400 We're looking at a 7.3% increase on 243 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,560 revenues and expenditures based on their 244 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,400 that's an increase for equalization. So, 245 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:03,400 um 246 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,080 few things that that you might see 247 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,120 different is we're going to have might 248 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:08,280 have to be exchanged with 249 00:07:08,280 --> 00:07:09,960 transportation. 250 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,919 It's um they have some in parks. 251 00:07:12,919 --> 00:07:16,000 Parks has been a shortfall area and I've 252 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:17,720 talked about before possibly a parks 253 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,120 millage county wide, but only had 254 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,480 beginning discussions of that. Um but 255 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,280 transportation is a little more of a 256 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,720 immediate need based on lack of money 257 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:29,400 from the state, so there might be some 258 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,720 changes in there. And then also uh 259 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:33,840 you might have heard that 260 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,000 our Secretary of State who's running for 261 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,800 governor is has floated potential 262 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:41,520 changes in election 263 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,760 equipment that might be needed. So, we 264 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:45,400 might make some budget adjustments based 265 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,360 on that if that gets 266 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:51,320 comes to fruition if necessary. 267 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,400 Uh the West Side Park. So, south of here 268 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,400 in West Side Park, we voted to 269 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,720 replace the north steps. So, that was 270 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,360 right. We talked about doing the south 271 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,920 side steps that were washed away years 272 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,520 ago. So, but now we've officially voted 273 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,600 against bids to replace the north side 274 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,440 steps there that are in disrepair. So, 275 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:12,720 we'll hopefully 276 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:14,919 wider steps, bigger landings and all 277 00:08:14,919 --> 00:08:17,520 that help people get down there. 278 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,280 And the last thing I wanted to touch on 279 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:20,360 um 280 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,560 just so you guys are aware. 281 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:23,200 Um 282 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,400 I've met with 283 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:27,960 Mr. Mandik from Laketown and uh Mr. 284 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:29,480 Northup here, 285 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:30,160 uh 286 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,800 Dan and Franco, Tony Skippa, 287 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,360 and Greg Jack regarding 288 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:39,400 possible changes to uh EMS. 289 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:40,280 Okay. 290 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:41,080 All right. 291 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:42,039 Currently, [clears throat] you guys are 292 00:08:42,039 --> 00:08:45,600 covered so I see the the south side of 293 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,600 Saugatuck Township, 294 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,839 but north of there is AMR territory. So, 295 00:08:51,839 --> 00:08:54,360 what they are proposing with Mark Meyer 296 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,200 of Life EMS is to expand the Life EMS 297 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:01,870 territory to Laketown, 298 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:03,720 Fillmore, and Allendale, and the north 299 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,480 side of Manlius Township. 300 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,400 This is just initial discussions at the 301 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,440 moment. We're not anywhere where we're 302 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,120 anywhere solid where we can report 303 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:14,880 anything anybody's made any decisions, 304 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:16,680 but just wanted you guys to know that we 305 00:09:16,680 --> 00:09:18,280 are discussing 306 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:19,920 that 307 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:21,120 service. 308 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,120 So, I don't know what will come of it. 309 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:23,800 Um 310 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,240 so, there may be some changes based on 311 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:26,760 that in the future. 312 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,120 Possible to discuss. So, 313 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:30,400 look forward to look at it look at it 314 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:32,360 that. And so, if you guys have any other 315 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,360 questions, that's all I have. So. 316 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:35,230 >> Thanks for the update. 317 00:09:35,230 --> 00:09:35,240 » Thanks for the update. 318 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,990 >> you. 319 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:42,550 » Anyone else? 320 00:09:42,560 --> 00:09:44,840 Hey, is there anyone on Zoom that would 321 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:50,630 like to address the council? 322 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,400 I see none. We will close public 323 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:58,190 communication. 324 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,400 Uh we have no unfinished We have no 325 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:01,960 written communication. We have no 326 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:03,680 unfinished business. 327 00:10:03,680 --> 00:10:05,840 Our first item of new business is the 328 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:10,160 special event, Michigan Downtown Day. 329 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:15,390 Let's start with motions, please. 330 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,440 » I'll make that motion to approve the 331 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,160 special event request since I wrote it 332 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,120 from the Downtown Development Authority 333 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,440 for the September 26th, 2026 Michigan 334 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,480 Downtown Day event. 335 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:28,870 >> Second. 336 00:10:28,870 --> 00:10:28,880 » Second. 337 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:30,190 >> Okay. 338 00:10:30,190 --> 00:10:30,200 » Okay. 339 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:31,160 Um 340 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:32,400 Do you have anything you would like to 341 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,520 add, Alyssa or Randy? 342 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,790 >> I This is our second year doing this. Um 343 00:10:37,790 --> 00:10:37,800 » I This is our second year doing this. Um 344 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:38,920 this is 345 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:40,800 uh this is a statewide event sponsored 346 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:42,080 by Well, not sponsored by, we're 347 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,920 sponsoring it, the DDA, but it's uh 348 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,240 sanctioned by the Michigan Downtown 349 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,280 Association, which is you know, kind of 350 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:51,560 our I don't know, for lack of a better 351 00:10:51,560 --> 00:10:55,000 term, our trade organization, and 352 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:55,680 uh 353 00:10:55,680 --> 00:10:57,280 they I don't know how long they've been 354 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:58,600 doing it, but last year was our first 355 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,120 year, you recall, we had 356 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:05,200 uh some live music, and we had some food 357 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,960 available, and it was We had it thrown 358 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:09,920 together. This year we're doing a little 359 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,440 bit more uh legwork for it, and uh one 360 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:14,839 of the things that the DDA gets asked 361 00:11:14,839 --> 00:11:16,440 about over and over and over again are 362 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,160 the Downtown Socials. This is not a 363 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:19,560 Downtown Social, but it's kind of a 364 00:11:19,560 --> 00:11:20,960 similar 365 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,560 type event, where we are asking to see 366 00:11:24,560 --> 00:11:27,160 how it goes to shut down uh Center 367 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,960 Street between Main and Spring, 368 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:36,240 and we will have uh live music again. Uh 369 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:37,880 Council member O'Malley has agreed to 370 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,360 help with the cornhole competition. 371 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,800 I tried the cornhole competition. 372 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,760 The cornhole competition. 373 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,400 Uh there will be we'll be inviting the 374 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:50,320 um 375 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,240 businesses to set up a tent outside if 376 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:53,640 that We want to make it an event. We 377 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:55,320 want to make it It's an afternoon event, 378 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,920 12:00 to 5:00. Uh and so seeing how this 379 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,240 goes, ultimately down the road it would 380 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,880 be great if we can even expand Center's, 381 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:06,520 you know, the event on Center Street to 382 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:08,440 bring in those businesses on other 383 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,280 sides. To the extent that it's feasible 384 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,560 and this is just a kind of an entree 385 00:12:13,560 --> 00:12:14,760 into 386 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,160 uh exploring how this will go and and 387 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:18,640 what it means. It is at the end of 388 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,440 September, so it's not peak season. It's 389 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,480 not um it shouldn't be too much of a 390 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:25,840 problem. It will limit some of the 391 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,240 parking, but I met with um 392 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:29,440 uh 393 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:30,640 Chief Freeman at that meeting or was 394 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,280 that Lori? 395 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:32,670 >> She did. 396 00:12:32,670 --> 00:12:32,680 » She did. 397 00:12:32,680 --> 00:12:33,510 >> Oh, you were 398 00:12:33,510 --> 00:12:33,520 » Oh, you were 399 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:34,880 I'm sorry. 400 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:39,400 Uh and and with uh DPW and 401 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:40,680 uh 402 00:12:40,680 --> 00:12:43,600 they feel that it is a doable thing. Am 403 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:44,960 I forgetting anything? 404 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:46,550 >> Uh it's from Well, you're going to start 405 00:12:46,550 --> 00:12:46,560 » Uh it's from Well, you're going to start 406 00:12:46,560 --> 00:12:48,800 street closure 11:30 a.m. and it's until 407 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:52,000 reopen at 5:30. 408 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:52,870 >> One question. 409 00:12:52,870 --> 00:12:52,880 » One question. 410 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:53,310 >> Yeah. 411 00:12:53,310 --> 00:12:53,320 » Yeah. 412 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:54,750 >> Did Chief Jane 413 00:12:54,750 --> 00:12:54,760 » Did Chief Jane 414 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:56,440 the meeting? And we've tried doing that 415 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:58,400 before and he he was really you know, he 416 00:12:58,400 --> 00:12:59,320 wasn't 417 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:00,920 sure if he was waving in or something. I 418 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:01,760 just don't want you to run into a 419 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,080 surprise there. 420 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:04,710 >> No. 421 00:13:04,710 --> 00:13:04,720 » No. 422 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:06,110 >> Yeah. 423 00:13:06,110 --> 00:13:06,120 » Yeah. 424 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:06,664 Okay. 425 00:13:06,664 --> 00:13:06,870 >> [laughter] 426 00:13:06,870 --> 00:13:06,880 » [laughter] 427 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:08,230 >> That's our job. 428 00:13:08,230 --> 00:13:08,240 » That's our job. 429 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,829 >> Well, it's it's a one block closure, so 430 00:13:10,829 --> 00:13:10,839 » Well, it's it's a one block closure, so 431 00:13:10,839 --> 00:13:12,720 that changes a lot of things for it 432 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,839 where they would have access to 433 00:13:14,839 --> 00:13:17,800 hydrants, anything they would need. 434 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:21,680 Um we can make sure with the DPW that 435 00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:23,680 the way the street is barricaded is 436 00:13:23,680 --> 00:13:25,839 easily accessible. 437 00:13:25,839 --> 00:13:27,470 >> But that was his thing before I I just I 438 00:13:27,470 --> 00:13:27,480 » But that was his thing before I I just I 439 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:28,520 don't know if you can only get a truck 440 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:29,040 down there. 441 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:29,350 >> Yeah, 442 00:13:29,350 --> 00:13:29,360 » Yeah, 443 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:30,870 >> think we should reach out to him and let 444 00:13:30,870 --> 00:13:30,880 » think we should reach out to him and let 445 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:36,550 him know. Thanks. 446 00:13:36,560 --> 00:13:38,080 » Usually he's more concerned when it's 447 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:39,520 multiple blocks. 448 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:40,910 >> Got it. 449 00:13:40,910 --> 00:13:40,920 » Got it. 450 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:41,830 >> Well, 451 00:13:41,830 --> 00:13:41,840 » Well, 452 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:43,800 I can't obviously I can't speak. 453 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:45,070 >> Yeah, I didn't think of it. Did we meet 454 00:13:45,070 --> 00:13:45,080 » Yeah, I didn't think of it. Did we meet 455 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,000 with him regarding farmers market and 456 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,320 the closure of that street? 457 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,880 I don't think we We don't have 458 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,840 I'll reach out to him and make sure he 459 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:56,520 That's what I said. Thank you for 460 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:57,400 volunteering him. 461 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,070 >> For multiple blocks. 462 00:13:59,070 --> 00:13:59,080 » For multiple blocks. 463 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:03,790 >> Yeah, I understand. 464 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:08,120 Um we'll know more Saturday again. 465 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:09,520 We have another meeting tomorrow in our 466 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,920 our next planning meeting next week, so 467 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,160 we're hoping to have more 468 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,640 fun stuff available that day. No 469 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,430 promises. 470 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,790 » Any other discussion? 471 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:28,590 Then the vote is on the motion. 472 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:29,440 » Rayman? 473 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:30,870 >> Yes. 474 00:14:30,870 --> 00:14:30,880 » Yes. 475 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:31,630 >> O'Malley? 476 00:14:31,630 --> 00:14:31,640 » O'Malley? 477 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:32,430 >> Yes. 478 00:14:32,430 --> 00:14:32,440 » Yes. 479 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:33,150 >> Walker? 480 00:14:33,150 --> 00:14:33,160 » Walker? 481 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:33,790 >> Yes. 482 00:14:33,790 --> 00:14:33,800 » Yes. 483 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:34,430 >> Palmer? 484 00:14:34,430 --> 00:14:34,440 » Palmer? 485 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:35,030 >> Yes. 486 00:14:35,030 --> 00:14:35,040 » Yes. 487 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:35,670 >> Nohr? 488 00:14:35,670 --> 00:14:35,680 » Nohr? 489 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:36,230 >> Yes. 490 00:14:36,230 --> 00:14:36,240 » Yes. 491 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,070 >> Motion carried. 492 00:14:38,070 --> 00:14:38,080 » Motion carried. 493 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:39,670 >> Thanks. 494 00:14:39,670 --> 00:14:39,680 » Thanks. 495 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:41,710 >> Next is the Michigan Municipal League 496 00:14:41,710 --> 00:14:41,720 » Next is the Michigan Municipal League 497 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,000 annual convention designation of voter 498 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,600 voting delegate. 499 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:48,550 >> Lisa. 500 00:14:48,550 --> 00:14:48,560 » Lisa. 501 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,710 Do you want to get a motion there? 502 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:53,480 Do you want to get a motion first? 503 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:54,710 >> Well, do we need 504 00:14:54,710 --> 00:14:54,720 » Well, do we need 505 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:55,510 >> Do we need 506 00:14:55,510 --> 00:14:55,520 » Do we need 507 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,040 to put a name in there? 508 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:58,440 How much? 509 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,040 Do we need a motion to consider who we 510 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:01,960 will name first? 511 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,390 >> Um so we can with that one if you wanted 512 00:15:04,390 --> 00:15:04,400 » Um so we can with that one if you wanted 513 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,600 to make a motion. You could make a 514 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,960 motion just to designate 515 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,750 somebody. 516 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,480 » I move 517 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,950 >> No, you go ahead. You go 518 00:15:15,950 --> 00:15:15,960 » No, you go ahead. You go 519 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:17,230 >> Yeah. 520 00:15:17,230 --> 00:15:17,240 » Yeah. 521 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,839 I move to designate 522 00:15:19,839 --> 00:15:22,080 a member of council 523 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,920 to be named shortly as the city of 524 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:26,360 Village of Douglas official voting 525 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,000 delegate for the Michigan Municipal 526 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,830 League. 527 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:31,440 » I'll second. 528 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:32,710 >> Okay. 529 00:15:32,710 --> 00:15:32,720 » Okay. 530 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:33,630 >> I'm I'm going to second. 531 00:15:33,630 --> 00:15:33,640 » I'm I'm going to second. 532 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:34,750 >> I'm more on the back though. 533 00:15:34,750 --> 00:15:34,760 » I'm more on the back though. 534 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,190 >> Yeah, um well, I haven't done this 535 00:15:36,190 --> 00:15:36,200 » Yeah, um well, I haven't done this 536 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,720 before. Yeah, it says and a alternate 537 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:38,960 voting. 538 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:40,190 >> And an alternative 539 00:15:40,190 --> 00:15:40,200 » And an alternative 540 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:40,550 >> Yeah. 541 00:15:40,550 --> 00:15:40,560 » Yeah. 542 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:42,470 >> I amend my motion to have an alternative 543 00:15:42,470 --> 00:15:42,480 » I amend my motion to have an alternative 544 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:43,160 if you're 545 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:43,840 you're interested. 546 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,270 >> I'm looking at it as well. Okay. 547 00:15:46,270 --> 00:15:46,280 » I'm looking at it as well. Okay. 548 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:47,600 So, I haven't seen this before. I don't 549 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:48,920 know if this is something new. I hadn't 550 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:50,280 done this in the past, but we received 551 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:51,360 that letter which I shared with the 552 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:52,960 council just to let you know. And then 553 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:54,560 we just have to let them know once you 554 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,240 have provided a 555 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,400 designated delegate and an alternate, we 556 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:00,520 just need to let them know cuz the 557 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,160 conference is coming up soon. So. 558 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:03,880 That's pretty 559 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,310 >> So, we have to go to the conference? 560 00:16:06,310 --> 00:16:06,320 » So, we have to go to the conference? 561 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,270 >> I I yeah, I mean that's it's in case in 562 00:16:08,270 --> 00:16:08,280 » I I yeah, I mean that's it's in case in 563 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:09,760 the event somebody does want to go to 564 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,600 the conference. So. 565 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,070 >> Well, I'm 566 00:16:14,070 --> 00:16:14,080 » Well, I'm 567 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:15,920 I'm enrolled or registered for the 568 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:16,560 conference. 569 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:18,470 >> There you go. Yeah. 570 00:16:18,470 --> 00:16:18,480 » There you go. Yeah. 571 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:19,830 >> Since September. 572 00:16:19,830 --> 00:16:19,840 » Since September. 573 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:20,960 Right. 574 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:22,120 Pardon? I think it's in September, 575 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:22,680 right? 576 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:23,310 >> October. 577 00:16:23,310 --> 00:16:23,320 » October. 578 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,150 >> October, it's in Traverse City. 579 00:16:25,150 --> 00:16:25,160 » October, it's in Traverse City. 580 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,110 >> If this is an ongoing thing, 581 00:16:28,110 --> 00:16:28,120 » If this is an ongoing thing, 582 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:29,920 should we just make it so it's always 583 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:31,360 the mayor and the alternate or we don't 584 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:31,440 do 585 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,550 >> Oh, no, I think they they ask for a name 586 00:16:33,550 --> 00:16:33,560 » Oh, no, I think they they ask for a name 587 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,120 every year. 588 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:36,120 Because it changes. 589 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,110 >> And it might not I mean, I might not be 590 00:16:39,110 --> 00:16:39,120 » And it might not I mean, I might not be 591 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:39,560 able to go. 592 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,790 >> I mean, I always go to the conference. 593 00:16:41,790 --> 00:16:41,800 » I mean, I always go to the conference. 594 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:42,190 >> Yeah. 595 00:16:42,190 --> 00:16:42,200 » Yeah. 596 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:43,790 >> And we just submit the name or the mayor 597 00:16:43,790 --> 00:16:43,800 » And we just submit the name or the mayor 598 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:45,360 pro tem if it's the alternate and he 599 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:46,920 submits the name. Or if you want to pick 600 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,400 on someone, the the the youngest person 601 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:50,320 on the council. 602 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:50,790 >> Are you talking about 603 00:16:50,790 --> 00:16:50,800 » Are you talking about 604 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,150 >> Not by age, but by 605 00:16:52,150 --> 00:16:52,160 » Not by age, but by 606 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,790 >> Or the newest. Yeah. 607 00:16:54,790 --> 00:16:54,800 » Or the newest. Yeah. 608 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:56,110 >> I just want to jot down we can always 609 00:16:56,110 --> 00:16:56,120 » I just want to jot down we can always 610 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:57,320 name someone new every year, I guess, 611 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,640 but if then you're not having this who's 612 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:00,839 going to do it kind of thing. It's like 613 00:17:00,839 --> 00:17:02,680 you're doing it. 614 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:03,400 Some people like 615 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,069 >> Well, you have to be a good 616 00:17:05,069 --> 00:17:05,079 » Well, you have to be a good 617 00:17:05,079 --> 00:17:06,800 thing. Yeah, to mix it up so many 618 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,839 people attend the conference. It's 619 00:17:09,839 --> 00:17:11,040 really worthwhile. 620 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:12,630 >> Okay. 621 00:17:12,630 --> 00:17:12,640 » Okay. 622 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,710 >> So, you're going to be there. I I 623 00:17:14,710 --> 00:17:14,720 » So, you're going to be there. I I 624 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,069 >> Should we You'd name an alternate? 625 00:17:18,069 --> 00:17:18,079 » Should we You'd name an alternate? 626 00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:20,590 >> Yes. Yes, just in case. I mean, it just 627 00:17:20,590 --> 00:17:20,600 » Yes. Yes, just in case. I mean, it just 628 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:21,880 in case you you want to send another 629 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:23,600 delegate up if something were to come up 630 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:25,400 or, you know, things 631 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,680 you need to change the the registration 632 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:28,840 or something like that. I think that's 633 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:30,760 why they like that. 634 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,150 So. 635 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:35,360 Does anybody want to 636 00:17:35,360 --> 00:17:37,760 make a recommendation and then a second 637 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:39,480 person? 638 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:40,630 >> Well, we can 639 00:17:40,630 --> 00:17:40,640 » Well, we can 640 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,200 recommend 641 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:43,600 Mayor North right off the bat. 642 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,030 >> Okay. 643 00:17:45,030 --> 00:17:45,040 » Okay. 644 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:46,670 >> And a good traveling partner would be 645 00:17:46,670 --> 00:17:46,680 » And a good traveling partner would be 646 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,800 the Mayor Pro Tem. 647 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:50,270 >> I probably 648 00:17:50,270 --> 00:17:50,280 » I probably 649 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:51,110 >> I think it's 650 00:17:51,110 --> 00:17:51,120 » I think it's 651 00:17:51,120 --> 00:17:52,892 >> Denver was the only one. 652 00:17:52,892 --> 00:17:52,902 » Denver was the only one. 653 00:17:52,902 --> 00:17:54,030 >> [laughter] 654 00:17:54,030 --> 00:17:54,040 » [laughter] 655 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:55,910 >> It's my birthday month. 656 00:17:55,910 --> 00:17:55,920 » It's my birthday month. 657 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,670 >> Oh, and then 658 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:00,600 I need a motion to actually name them, 659 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:01,240 too. 660 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:01,750 >> Okay. 661 00:18:01,750 --> 00:18:01,760 » Okay. 662 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:03,790 >> Okay. 663 00:18:03,790 --> 00:18:03,800 » Okay. 664 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:04,880 Okay. 665 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,030 >> Do we really need a I mean 666 00:18:07,030 --> 00:18:07,040 » Do we really need a I mean 667 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:07,790 >> An alternate? 668 00:18:07,790 --> 00:18:07,800 » An alternate? 669 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:08,070 >> Yes. 670 00:18:08,070 --> 00:18:08,080 » Yes. 671 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:09,110 >> That's what they I mean, that's what 672 00:18:09,110 --> 00:18:09,120 » That's what they I mean, that's what 673 00:18:09,120 --> 00:18:10,760 they ask for. 674 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:12,070 >> I think Jeff West should be the 675 00:18:12,070 --> 00:18:12,080 » I think Jeff West should be the 676 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:13,560 alternate. He's not here to defend 677 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:14,240 himself. 678 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:15,590 >> What's the word now? 679 00:18:15,590 --> 00:18:15,600 » What's the word now? 680 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:16,510 >> Okay. 681 00:18:16,510 --> 00:18:16,520 » Okay. 682 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:18,280 So, you just want to say Do I don't 683 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:19,120 think you have to read the whole thing 684 00:18:19,120 --> 00:18:20,840 again. Just the Mayor and the Mayor 685 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,830 >> that in my motion to um 686 00:18:23,830 --> 00:18:23,840 » that in my motion to um 687 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:24,590 >> designate the Mayor 688 00:18:24,590 --> 00:18:24,600 » designate the Mayor 689 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:26,270 >> designate 690 00:18:26,270 --> 00:18:26,280 » designate 691 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,360 Gary North as our 692 00:18:28,360 --> 00:18:31,120 um delegate person who's going and the 693 00:18:31,120 --> 00:18:33,800 alternate would be council person um 694 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:35,720 Jeff West. 695 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:36,190 >> There we go. 696 00:18:36,190 --> 00:18:36,200 » There we go. 697 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,190 >> I now amend my second. 698 00:18:39,190 --> 00:18:39,200 » I now amend my second. 699 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,350 >> Okay, any more discussion? 700 00:18:42,350 --> 00:18:42,360 » Okay, any more discussion? 701 00:18:42,360 --> 00:18:44,000 Hey, roll call vote, please. 702 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:44,750 >> O'Malley? 703 00:18:44,750 --> 00:18:44,760 » O'Malley? 704 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:45,710 >> Yes. 705 00:18:45,710 --> 00:18:45,720 » Yes. 706 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:46,550 >> Walker? 707 00:18:46,550 --> 00:18:46,560 » Walker? 708 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:47,190 >> Yes. 709 00:18:47,190 --> 00:18:47,200 » Yes. 710 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:47,870 >> Bomber? 711 00:18:47,870 --> 00:18:47,880 » Bomber? 712 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:48,430 >> Yes. 713 00:18:48,430 --> 00:18:48,440 » Yes. 714 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:49,110 >> Freeman? 715 00:18:49,110 --> 00:18:49,120 » Freeman? 716 00:18:49,120 --> 00:18:49,630 >> Yes. 717 00:18:49,630 --> 00:18:49,640 » Yes. 718 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:50,390 >> North? 719 00:18:50,390 --> 00:18:50,400 » North? 720 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:50,910 >> Yes. 721 00:18:50,910 --> 00:18:50,920 » Yes. 722 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:55,990 >> Motion carried. 723 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,000 Next is our first reading of the noise 724 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,600 ordinance amendment. 725 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,430 >> So, for all this one, um there's no 726 00:19:03,430 --> 00:19:03,440 » So, for all this one, um there's no 727 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,640 action needs to be taken for this, but 728 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,320 um just to provide context, the reason 729 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,640 for this was just due to a dispute 730 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,160 between two your during a construction. 731 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:13,920 Um our police department has been out 732 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,680 there and there has been issues with 733 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:17,440 um 734 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:18,960 the discrepancies between the noise 735 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,040 ordinance and how it's enforced 736 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:22,360 cuz um 737 00:19:22,360 --> 00:19:24,480 we had reached out to our city attorneys 738 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,360 on feedback about how can we address it, 739 00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:28,840 what can we do, does it have to be by 740 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,280 discretion? She advised us just to amend 741 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:32,680 the ordinance. She provided her own 742 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,480 suggestions, which was provided to the 743 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,000 council 744 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:37,320 of what made the most sense just to 745 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:38,760 address the construction at that time 746 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,040 frame with a new reasonable hours too as 747 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,000 well, which doesn't happen too early and 748 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,080 it doesn't happen too late as well. 749 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:52,070 So, that's um it for that. 750 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:56,430 » Anybody have any discussion? 751 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,200 I sure don't. I sure don't blame them. I 752 00:19:58,200 --> 00:19:59,680 can't believe I'm losing those two 753 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,280 houses. 754 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,000 The houses I mean it's 755 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,230 >> 7 ft and 8 on the other side of Mr. 756 00:20:05,230 --> 00:20:05,240 » 7 ft and 8 on the other side of Mr. 757 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:06,280 McDowell. 758 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,350 >> I can add a little context if you want. 759 00:20:09,350 --> 00:20:09,360 » I can add a little context if you want. 760 00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:11,400 We didn't really have a good noise 761 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,960 ordinance years ago and there was a 762 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,080 Saugatuck constituent who lived on the 763 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,400 river who was always calling the police 764 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,589 because the Red Dock was too noisy 765 00:20:21,589 --> 00:20:22,150 >> [clears throat] 766 00:20:22,150 --> 00:20:22,160 » [clears throat] 767 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:23,590 >> and 768 00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:23,600 » and 769 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,320 nobody did anything because we didn't 770 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,640 really have an ordinance. So, anyway 771 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:28,760 it got to the point where it's going to 772 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,040 go to court 773 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,760 and eventually and I wrote a letter cuz 774 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:34,280 I was mayor at the time that said, "We 775 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,000 don't have an ordinance with teeth that 776 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,000 you know, could do anything to." And I 777 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,160 it was Tony from the Red Dock Lake. 778 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:42,800 You can't help it. Not to mention the 779 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,120 person that's complaining is not even 780 00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:48,000 from Douglas, right? So, this noise 781 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:49,120 ordinance is written and I think where 782 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:50,320 the hiccup is is it doesn't 783 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:51,920 differentiate construction noise and 784 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:53,920 things like that from like bands. But, I 785 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:55,160 know at the time, she correct me if I'm 786 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,120 wrong, we were more concerned with like 787 00:20:57,120 --> 00:20:59,640 live live music. So, they went out with 788 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,520 a decibel reader to the place that had 789 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,200 live music outside and they would 790 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,000 measure from the nearest property. I 791 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,560 know, if If complaining and know, if no 792 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:08,520 one's complaining, then this is 793 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,560 acceptable, basically. So, they kind of 794 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:11,680 came up with a number of what was 795 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,800 acceptable. 796 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,400 Drafted the ordinance, brought it to 797 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,000 Saugatuck, and said, "You have a 798 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,240 person who's always complaining at the 799 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:19,960 time we shared a police department. 800 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:21,720 Wouldn't it make sense if you guys 801 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,320 adopted this, too?" And they said, "No, 802 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,120 we're a party town. It's going to get 803 00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:26,400 noisy here, and we don't want your 804 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,560 ordinance." And we said, "Okay." So, we 805 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,400 implemented it, and then when the person 806 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:31,880 from Saugatuck was still calling to 807 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,000 complain, we'd say, "You're not in 808 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,360 Douglas, and you don't have a noise 809 00:21:35,360 --> 00:21:37,640 ordinance, so you can't complain." 810 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:38,920 But it Like I said, it didn't address 811 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:40,600 like construction noise or things like 812 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:45,310 that as as clearly as it should have. 813 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:46,920 » So, since we're 814 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:48,560 the royal we, you guys are in the 815 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,800 process of rewriting the ordinances, is 816 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:56,760 it common to just jump the line and 817 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,560 initiate a rewrite of the zoning 818 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,230 >> So, this isn't a zoning ordinance. This 819 00:22:00,230 --> 00:22:00,240 » So, this isn't a zoning ordinance. This 820 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:01,640 is a general code ordinance. 821 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,350 >> Okay. So, it's not Okay. 822 00:22:04,350 --> 00:22:04,360 » Okay. So, it's not Okay. 823 00:22:04,360 --> 00:22:05,310 >> Two different things. 824 00:22:05,310 --> 00:22:05,320 » Two different things. 825 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:06,670 >> Got it. 826 00:22:06,670 --> 00:22:06,680 » Got it. 827 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,390 Thank you. 828 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:10,720 » Oh. 829 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,120 Thanks for the info. So, that will be on 830 00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:14,880 the second review and be at the next 831 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:15,520 meeting. 832 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,670 >> Yep, the next meeting next month. 833 00:22:17,670 --> 00:22:17,680 » Yep, the next meeting next month. 834 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,790 >> All right. Um 835 00:22:19,790 --> 00:22:19,800 » All right. Um 836 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,200 Next is the Tower Harbor Association 837 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:23,720 well request. 838 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,550 >> Wait, tell us about this, Jared. 839 00:22:26,550 --> 00:22:26,560 » Wait, tell us about this, Jared. 840 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,830 >> Did I skip something? 841 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,640 » Um for this one here, um did a little 842 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,640 bit of extensive research um but for the 843 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,240 Tower Harbor Association they did a 844 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:36,480 request to drill a well for the 845 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,080 irrigation. Uh I did speak with Doug at 846 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:40,800 Kaleva about this, too, as well. It's 847 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,080 been something that they're that's 848 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:43,880 pretty fairly common. They said that 849 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,560 they don't have any issue with it as 850 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,240 long as it's um for irrigation purposes 851 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:49,480 and there's no cross connection cuz 852 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,280 they're worried about um somebody 853 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,520 randomly tapping into the well and 854 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,240 cross-contaminating our water. Um I did 855 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,280 speak with uh Ken, too, our city 856 00:22:58,280 --> 00:22:59,800 engineer. He does have an issue with 857 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,200 this, too. Um actually led me to a path 858 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,480 of um, these approvals that council has 859 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,680 done which was over at Golfview, which 860 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,760 you guys approved or council approved on 861 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,560 the well for them to fill in the pond. 862 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,600 So, similar um, almost the same 863 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,360 basically the same thing, but um, they 864 00:23:16,360 --> 00:23:18,800 both both um, properties do have 865 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,440 connection to municipal water for their 866 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,720 actual water services. 867 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,960 Um, but um, that's pretty much it for 868 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:30,910 that record there. 869 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,680 » Um, 870 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:37,310 so, let's get a motion. 871 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:38,840 » I'd like to make uh, make a motion to 872 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,840 approve the well to be constructed near 873 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,640 374 Mariners Cove for Tower Harbor 874 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,840 Condominium Association subject to 875 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,160 approval of the Allegan County Health 876 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,080 Department and based on the finding that 877 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:50,320 the well will be used only for 878 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,280 irrigation purposes 879 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:53,640 and will remain independent from the 880 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,400 municipal water system and will not 881 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,240 create a cross connection. 882 00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:59,950 >> Second. 883 00:23:59,950 --> 00:23:59,960 » Second. 884 00:23:59,960 --> 00:24:01,950 >> Hey. 885 00:24:01,950 --> 00:24:01,960 » Hey. 886 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:07,630 Any discussions further? 887 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,040 Hey, seeing none, Madam Clerk. 888 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:11,110 >> Walker? 889 00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:11,120 » Walker? 890 00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:12,430 >> Yes. 891 00:24:12,430 --> 00:24:12,440 » Yes. 892 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:13,390 >> Balmer? 893 00:24:13,390 --> 00:24:13,400 » Balmer? 894 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:14,150 >> Yes. 895 00:24:14,150 --> 00:24:14,160 » Yes. 896 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:14,910 >> Freeman? 897 00:24:14,910 --> 00:24:14,920 » Freeman? 898 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:15,470 >> Yes. 899 00:24:15,470 --> 00:24:15,480 » Yes. 900 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:16,230 >> O'Malley? 901 00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:16,240 » O'Malley? 902 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:16,950 >> Yes. 903 00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:16,960 » Yes. 904 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:17,550 >> North? 905 00:24:17,550 --> 00:24:17,560 » North? 906 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:18,190 >> Yes. 907 00:24:18,190 --> 00:24:18,200 » Yes. 908 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:19,430 >> Mosher Harris? [clears throat] 909 00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:19,440 » Mosher Harris? [clears throat] 910 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,070 >> Yes. 911 00:24:21,070 --> 00:24:21,080 » Yes. 912 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,150 >> Hey, onto reports 913 00:24:23,150 --> 00:24:23,160 » Hey, onto reports 914 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:24,360 uh, starting with the Planning 915 00:24:24,360 --> 00:24:25,000 Commission. 916 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,950 >> Ah, I was ready for that. Hey. 917 00:24:27,950 --> 00:24:27,960 » Ah, I was ready for that. Hey. 918 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,190 I wasn't going to be 919 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,120 Um, 920 00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:35,960 Okay, two things on last week's docket. 921 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,080 Um, 922 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,160 one was changing and I think a lot of 923 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:40,120 people are going to be happy to hear 924 00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:42,080 this. Um, 925 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,960 13 South Weeling Street is the little 926 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,800 white house across from the post office 927 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,600 where there's rather large brick 928 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,720 building that's going to go there. Um, 929 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,360 four stores downstairs, three apartments 930 00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:56,480 upstairs. And it got a a flack about I 931 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,200 guess the aesthetic not really fitting 932 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,600 the town, but we don't really control 933 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,560 the aesthetics. We only control 934 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,680 safety and zoning issues, right? But, 935 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,320 they were really good with it. It's AMK 936 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,520 who who owns it. They asked to come back 937 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,160 because they wanted to make some changes 938 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,880 to the exterior, what it looked like, 939 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,520 and they really did do a good job. I 940 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,120 mean, they they 941 00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:20,040 integrated some board and batten style 942 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,960 insertions, and they added to the roof 943 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,600 line, so it almost looks kind of like 944 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,720 bracket buildings roofline where it's 945 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,240 got some more detail on it, and it 946 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:30,840 really softens the building and warms it 947 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,160 up some, and so it'll be a mixture of 948 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,840 like a wood look with brick. 949 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,280 Um, we can 950 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:38,640 pull pictures up at some point if you 951 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,280 want or it's on If you go into our 952 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,000 meeting room in the back here, you can 953 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,080 see all the pictures in there, the 954 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,000 renderings. And so, that was one. We 955 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,200 approved it. And then, the next one was 956 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:49,720 for 957 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,440 three lots that are next to the bowling 958 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,720 alley. The gentleman who owns the police 959 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,360 station now, the former police station, 960 00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:57,240 he also owns that. 961 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:58,560 And 962 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,800 he wants to put in 963 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,160 ground floor commercial, as our 964 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,240 ordinance would say, on Center Street, 965 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:06,800 but he wants to do ground floor 966 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,600 residential, which is allowed through 967 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,840 Article 26.13, 968 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,200 but you have to meet like six criteria. 969 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,480 And they they actually meet all the 970 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,200 criteria for the ground floor, so not a 971 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:18,400 problem. 972 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,560 However, when it came to parking, 973 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,960 um, 974 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,640 from the way they calculated they needed 975 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,560 33 spaces, although there was questions 976 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:27,840 on how they calculated and it turned 977 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,360 what was on the site plan, it didn't 978 00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:33,280 match. So, Shawn pointed that out. And 979 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,560 then, the other one is they didn't ask 980 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,200 for a waiver or reduction at all. They 981 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,080 just came in thinking that they met the 982 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,280 ordinance of Cuz when you're in the C-1, 983 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,360 the mix plan is different. 984 00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:48,600 Parking requirements are done by use. 985 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,600 So, if you have a restaurant, you you X 986 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,280 amount of parking, units, calculated by 987 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,120 the different things. Retail is 988 00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:56,880 calculated different than office space 989 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,320 and all that. 990 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,840 So, you do your calculations for how 991 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,880 many parking spaces you needed by what 992 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,160 types of uses are on your building, and 993 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,160 those are generally 994 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:08,320 the only two commercial areas that we 995 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:09,960 ever see to which is Blue Star and C1 996 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,840 which is the DDA area. 997 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,560 Well, the C2 area 998 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,640 the minimum lot size is 30,000 square 999 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,280 feet or larger. 1000 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:19,800 So, you can fit parking. So, you're 1001 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,120 going to have 1002 00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:23,920 your full parking requirements. Downtown 1003 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,560 is only 4,000 square foot minimum, and 1004 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,040 you can build up line to lot line. So, 1005 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,800 it's almost impossible to fit your 1006 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,680 parking. So, what they did years ago is 1007 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,520 they just put in an automatic 50% 1008 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:35,840 reduction 1009 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,840 if you're by right, and if you're not by 1010 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,480 right, then you have to provide 100% 1011 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,120 unless you ask for a reduction or a 1012 00:27:44,120 --> 00:27:46,680 waiver, which they did not ask for. So, 1013 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,400 we told them that they'll have to go 1014 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,280 back and figure out how to fit their 1015 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,120 parking in and you know, do whatever. 1016 00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:54,680 So, we tabled it 1017 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,400 based on that. 1018 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:57,280 And a few other things. 1019 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:58,630 >> When do they think that they might 1020 00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:58,640 » When do they think that they might 1021 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,000 actually start if it gets approved? Is 1022 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:01,160 it 1023 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,710 >> He wants to start soon. Um, the first 1024 00:28:03,710 --> 00:28:03,720 » He wants to start soon. Um, the first 1025 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:04,800 thing, and I don't know which one of 1026 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,400 them he's got to do the other one, too, 1027 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,320 but he's got two properties he wants to 1028 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,680 do. He also wants 200 Center Street, 1029 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,120 which is between Jake Way and the Cove. 1030 00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:15,040 That came to us a year and a half to 2 1031 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,600 years ago and he wanted to do a 1032 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,000 three-story building and all this, and 1033 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,120 we we said no. So, um, 1034 00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:22,560 I don't know exactly what time of this 1035 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,440 one. He has to come back with his 1036 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,440 revised plan or what he's going to do 1037 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:27,960 with the parking for this one. The other 1038 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,800 thing he has to do is he has to have an 1039 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,480 he has an easement with the bowling 1040 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:33,960 alley, and the bowling alley is in favor 1041 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,120 of doing this, 1042 00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:38,160 but Shawn and I talked like 1043 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,040 you can work on getting this big that 1044 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,680 permit they have the documentation, the 1045 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,560 legal work drawn up. Shawn hasn't seen 1046 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,000 it yet. And um, 1047 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,560 or maintenance. So, like let's just take 1048 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,240 a look at something like Penn Rail where 1049 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,640 there's an easement and there's dual 1050 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,480 I'd say because you have an easement 1051 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,920 partnership in it, right? And then now 1052 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,080 what's their maintenance agreement look 1053 00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,240 like? I mean, you guys that's why you 1054 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,080 have all those cars on Blue Star, right? 1055 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:02,320 Cuz they're fighting over who's going to 1056 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,160 maintain it, who's going to pay for how 1057 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,040 much of it. We don't want to have that 1058 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:07,360 happen here. 1059 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,440 So, they have to have that 1060 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:09,630 >> And 1061 00:29:09,630 --> 00:29:09,640 » And 1062 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,070 >> in the works. Probably would be 1063 00:29:11,070 --> 00:29:11,080 » in the works. Probably would be 1064 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,280 conditional to be able based on them 1065 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,040 getting that approved by our attorney, 1066 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,710 >> Attorney, right? 1067 00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:16,720 » Attorney, right? 1068 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,390 >> So, 1069 00:29:18,390 --> 00:29:18,400 » So, 1070 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:19,400 I know so you want to hear about the 1071 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,080 building, it's as you're looking at it, 1072 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,480 it's 1073 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,360 a retail shop, it's quite large and then 1074 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,440 all of the parking is going to be 1075 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,080 between the bowling alley and the other 1076 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,680 building and towards the back. All of 1077 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,040 the frontage 1078 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,120 on the parking lot is retail or office 1079 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:38,320 and then there's a hallway that runs 1080 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:39,760 down the backside of it where there's 1081 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,720 four apartments downstairs and then 1082 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,360 there's nine upstairs. 1083 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:45,760 But, we'll see where they come in 1084 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,360 numbers-wise when they figure [snorts] 1085 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,840 out their parking. 1086 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:55,030 >> When they came in for the DDA, we 1087 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:55,760 uh, 1088 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,840 strongly 1089 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:02,000 agreed to it with the understanding that 1090 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,240 those office spaces would not be on 1091 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,560 Center Street but rather facing 1092 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:08,990 >> They are. They're back and facing the 1093 00:30:08,990 --> 00:30:09,000 » They are. They're back and facing the 1094 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,440 bowling alley and they've got main 1095 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,600 retail on the front. It goes across the 1096 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,880 whole front. Sizeable space actually. 1097 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,040 And that that's also on our If you were 1098 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,960 to go over that or just on the agendas 1099 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,560 and stuff like that, you can see the 1100 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:21,360 plan. 1101 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,030 >> Also, it would be helpful of going 1102 00:30:23,030 --> 00:30:23,040 » Also, it would be helpful of going 1103 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,720 forward, I don't know if we mentioned 1104 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,560 this to you, Matt, but the DDA's also 1105 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,760 talking about the potential for a lot of 1106 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,560 construction happening in the downtown 1107 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,080 corridor at one time which 1108 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,600 most of us think is better than having 1109 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,000 this road closed or this whatever. It's 1110 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,600 kind of like a let's get it done 1111 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:41,040 approach. 1112 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,110 >> six months and then you close over here 1113 00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:43,120 » six months and then you close over here 1114 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:44,880 for six months. So we're trying to kind 1115 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,320 of talk as a DDA get prepared for what 1116 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,360 that will look like. So it's anytime 1117 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,040 that there is an update on a potential 1118 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,160 start for any of the projects, the DDA 1119 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,200 is looking into how we can um combat 1120 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,280 combat like trap, you know, 1121 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:02,000 the downtown. 1122 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,430 >> planning commission meetings, one of the 1123 00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:03,440 » planning commission meetings, one of the 1124 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,040 things we put in as a condition is that 1125 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,720 they're keeping us up to date. That all 1126 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,240 goes to Shawn. So when Shawn hears 1127 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,480 what's going on, he's issuing things, he 1128 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:11,400 can let kind of you 1129 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:12,790 >> Will you let us know, Shawn? 1130 00:31:12,790 --> 00:31:12,800 » Will you let us know, Shawn? 1131 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:13,950 >> Yeah, I mentioned at the DDA meeting 1132 00:31:13,950 --> 00:31:13,960 » Yeah, I mentioned at the DDA meeting 1133 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,760 that I'll keep you guys posted. We still 1134 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,320 go through that process of when um you 1135 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:19,560 have these kind of developments and 1136 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:20,880 capital improvement closures, 1137 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,440 specifically because they tie to water 1138 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,360 and sewer connection. Being regular ones 1139 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,000 that review it, we look at the traffic 1140 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,800 control plans, we make sure that uh um 1141 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,040 like before they even start that we 1142 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,280 notify those within 300 ft. They're, you 1143 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:33,880 know, give them more flexibility to plan 1144 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,160 their routes. I'm planning on doing the 1145 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:36,760 same thing, too, with the downtown. The 1146 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,480 procedure's not going to change at all, 1147 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:39,600 but we're going to give you guys more 1148 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,960 action. You don't know this, though. 1149 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,150 >> But the business is open during 1150 00:31:43,150 --> 00:31:43,160 » But the business is open during 1151 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,920 construction is what Randy was concerned 1152 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,000 about. Making sure people know 1153 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,840 Yes. Yes. Which is important. 1154 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,470 >> When we did Center Street, it was it was 1155 00:31:51,470 --> 00:31:51,480 » When we did Center Street, it was it was 1156 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,400 a pain, but it was good to get it all 1157 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:54,640 done. And I just put it on everybody's 1158 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,760 radar and it's not been before us, but 1159 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,480 it's been before Shawn, so I can't speak 1160 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,720 to what it is, really, but I believe 1161 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,280 that our auto time is planned to be also 1162 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,880 coming before us in the near future to 1163 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,320 put up a mixed-use for their outdoor 1164 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:09,600 area is. 1165 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,960 So there is a lot of construction coming 1166 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,040 down by us. 1167 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:15,510 >> So far with the way things are going, 1168 00:32:15,510 --> 00:32:15,520 » So far with the way things are going, 1169 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:16,560 right? 1170 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,710 >> We wanted it to be vibrant, and it's 1171 00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:18,720 » We wanted it to be vibrant, and it's 1172 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:19,360 happening. 1173 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:20,750 >> Yeah, so far, I mean, it would kind of 1174 00:32:20,750 --> 00:32:20,760 » Yeah, so far, I mean, it would kind of 1175 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,600 with the way things are going down, even 1176 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:23,840 after approval, they still have to go 1177 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,520 through the process of bidding out their 1178 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,040 construction, you know, for with the 1179 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:28,880 contractors. So it's starting to look 1180 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,000 like a lot of these things going to be 1181 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,200 happening in the off-season. 1182 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:33,350 >> Right. 1183 00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:33,360 » Right. 1184 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,590 >> One last one I'll throw out that we we 1185 00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:35,600 » One last one I'll throw out that we we 1186 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,800 talked about, but not the detail is um 1187 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,360 it's the corner of Randolph and Blue 1188 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,080 Star where in 1189 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,080 any of you old folks around here 1190 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,560 remember it's where the woodshed was, 1191 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,400 the old woodshed. 1192 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,000 Um yeah. And but anyways it's 1193 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,800 there's M&M's and then it's kind of 1194 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,320 vacant until you get Randolph. 1195 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:55,600 That 1196 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:56,800 someone's working on developing all 1197 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,040 that. 1198 00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,230 >> Excellent, it'd be great. 1199 00:32:59,230 --> 00:32:59,240 » Excellent, it'd be great. 1200 00:32:59,240 --> 00:32:59,910 >> Yeah. 1201 00:32:59,910 --> 00:32:59,920 » Yeah. 1202 00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:00,510 >> Mhm. 1203 00:33:00,510 --> 00:33:00,520 » Mhm. 1204 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,750 >> Unless it's an AutoZone. 1205 00:33:02,750 --> 00:33:02,760 » Unless it's an AutoZone. 1206 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:03,960 I'm just kidding. 1207 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:04,750 >> Yeah, well they got to worry they got to 1208 00:33:04,750 --> 00:33:04,760 » Yeah, well they got to worry they got to 1209 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:05,040 worry about 1210 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:06,230 >> What is school old? That's one thing. 1211 00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:06,240 » What is school old? That's one thing. 1212 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,400 Yeah, I can't 1213 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,400 base on what you want to stand here. 1214 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:10,520 And then um 1215 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,120 setback. 1216 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,350 >> Yeah, it's a large setback area because 1217 00:33:14,350 --> 00:33:14,360 » Yeah, it's a large setback area because 1218 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,960 it's double what it's 66-ft 1219 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,320 right-of-way. It's it's like 100 and 1220 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,920 120-ft right-of-way on on Blue Star. 1221 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:23,640 It's a 1222 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,440 big big 1223 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:26,880 right-of-way. 1224 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,000 Mhm. 1225 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,240 Well, that's all I got for you. 1226 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,110 >> That's good. That was a lot. Thank you. 1227 00:33:32,110 --> 00:33:32,120 » That's good. That was a lot. Thank you. 1228 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,320 Good info. 1229 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,280 Um Kill Lake sewer and water, Mr. 1230 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:37,160 Freeman, please. 1231 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,910 >> Thank you. Kill Lake sewer and water, my 1232 00:33:38,910 --> 00:33:38,920 » Thank you. Kill Lake sewer and water, my 1233 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,480 report will be 1234 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:41,840 much like our meeting this morning 1235 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,000 brief. 1236 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,960 Which unlike our meeting last week which 1237 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,080 or last time which was over 200 pages 1238 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:48,840 and 2 hours and plus. 1239 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,080 Uh meeting was fairly brief this 1240 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,920 morning. A couple of things that are of 1241 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,400 interest. 1242 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:54,480 Um 1243 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,640 one of the things you'll be seeing soon 1244 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,840 coming to a mailbox near you is your 1245 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,160 water bill is changing. 1246 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:02,720 Not the amount of the bill, the look of 1247 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,120 the 1248 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:04,840 What's that? 1249 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:05,430 >> We know. 1250 00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:05,440 » We know. 1251 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,310 >> There is a $3 credit. 1252 00:34:07,310 --> 00:34:07,320 » There is a $3 credit. 1253 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:08,230 >> You can it's what it 1254 00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:08,240 » You can it's what it 1255 00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:09,389 >> That's a change. 1256 00:34:09,389 --> 00:34:09,399 » That's a change. 1257 00:34:09,399 --> 00:34:10,710 >> You know, it's like talking to my wife. 1258 00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:10,720 » You know, it's like talking to my wife. 1259 00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:12,600 It was creepy to her. 1260 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,280 Um yes, if you if you go on auto pay, 1261 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,440 you will get a $3 credit on your bill. 1262 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,320 Um what I really I I'm you're I'm 1263 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:20,720 kidding you but thank you, Ted. That's 1264 00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:21,280 part of it. 1265 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:22,830 >> What if you're already on auto pay, do 1266 00:34:22,830 --> 00:34:22,840 » What if you're already on auto pay, do 1267 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:23,480 you still get it? 1268 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,190 >> What's it? 1269 00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:25,200 » What's it? 1270 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:26,879 Say it again. 1271 00:34:26,879 --> 00:34:28,510 >> What if you're already on auto pay, do 1272 00:34:28,510 --> 00:34:28,520 » What if you're already on auto pay, do 1273 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,200 you still get it? I just got it on auto 1274 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:31,950 >> Yeah, yeah, you do. 1275 00:34:31,950 --> 00:34:31,960 » Yeah, yeah, you do. 1276 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,270 >> Everybody between 10. 1277 00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:33,280 » Everybody between 10. 1278 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,430 >> The format the everybody Sorry, we have 1279 00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:35,440 » The format the everybody Sorry, we have 1280 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,960 a special program here. 1281 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,080 The format of the bill is changing. 1282 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,919 And so, instead of the little postcard, 1283 00:34:42,919 --> 00:34:44,879 which was once described by a person who 1284 00:34:44,879 --> 00:34:45,879 came to our meeting as the little 1285 00:34:45,879 --> 00:34:48,080 postcard that everyone hates, the bill 1286 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,440 will now be a a trifold bill in a window 1287 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:51,679 envelope. 1288 00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:52,919 All of the billing information will be 1289 00:34:52,919 --> 00:34:54,440 on the front of the bill. 1290 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,240 So, the amounts you're paying and all of 1291 00:34:56,240 --> 00:34:57,600 the codes and everything will be on the 1292 00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:58,560 front of the bill. So, you won't have to 1293 00:34:58,560 --> 00:34:59,800 keep flipping the thing over to figure 1294 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,520 out what's on the back. 1295 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,200 And that's a small thing, but it it 1296 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:04,560 makes the bill actually much more 1297 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:05,960 convenient. You will be able also to 1298 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,840 sign up for auto pay, and there will be 1299 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,960 a $3 credit if you can do that. 1300 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,040 The back of the bill is going to be a 1301 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,640 newsletter type space. 1302 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,760 So, new policies and procedures, meet 1303 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,520 our staff, uh things of public interest, 1304 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,720 projects that we're doing, will be on 1305 00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:24,080 the back of the bill. So, with the 1306 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:25,880 information on the back and the bill 1307 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,960 will all be on the front part of the of 1308 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,680 the bill. And those those paper bills 1309 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,000 went in the mail today. You're going to 1310 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,440 get 1311 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:33,880 Well, we're actually, you know, I've 1312 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,000 been saying it for a while now. It's a 1313 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,200 new day at KLSWA. We're trying to make 1314 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:38,920 it better and more more open. 1315 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,470 >> Please tell us more. Public. 1316 00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:40,480 » Please tell us more. Public. 1317 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:41,910 >> The other thing, if you don't know 1318 00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:41,920 » The other thing, if you don't know 1319 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,080 already, we have Cal Lake has a Facebook 1320 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:46,440 page. 1321 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:47,720 Can you imagine that that would have 1322 00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:49,600 ever happened in the past? We have a 1323 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,960 Facebook page. It's starting it's 1324 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,280 limited it's not it's not open for a lot 1325 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:55,840 of public comment just yet. We're just 1326 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,000 feeling our way with it. But, we're now 1327 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,040 using Facebook as a way to communicate 1328 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,880 things that are happening as another 1329 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,200 another communication channel. So, we're 1330 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,240 slowly with our new administrator and 1331 00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:08,960 our new front office staff, we're 1332 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,440 bringing that stuff forward. And I think 1333 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,680 it's I think it's pretty exciting. Uh 1334 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,800 there's lots of things in flight. Uh 1335 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,680 we've got a big capital improvement plan 1336 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,560 that'll be starting uh with construction 1337 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:21,840 in the fall. 1338 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,520 Um so, stay tuned for all of that. But, 1339 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:24,520 these are these are things that we 1340 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,440 talked about today, the new bill, uh the 1341 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,960 new way to pay the bill, and um 1342 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,600 the Facebook page, which I think is is 1343 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,800 exciting. So, uh yeah, that's that's it 1344 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,200 for for me. Yes, sir. 1345 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,630 >> One quick thing. Thank you. 1346 00:36:37,630 --> 00:36:37,640 » One quick thing. Thank you. 1347 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,720 I love that you have the Facebook page, 1348 00:36:39,720 --> 00:36:40,960 and then and it's great that you're 1349 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,000 doing a new bill, and you put 1350 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,040 information on the back, but and I know 1351 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:45,360 you guys are all just starting, and I'm 1352 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:46,640 sure you probably talked about this, but 1353 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,080 is it going to be Is there any talk 1354 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,200 about possibly being like what Lisa does 1355 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,120 with the admin page for here? Cuz I 1356 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,840 think that's wonderful. It It's always 1357 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,640 like here's the weekly update, what's 1358 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,800 going on, or here's construction, or 1359 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,240 just Kelly's off and out doing things, 1360 00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:01,440 shutting things down, blocking things 1361 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,200 off, no one knows, but if if it could be 1362 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:04,920 put on Facebook, it's just even a 1363 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:05,880 reminder 1364 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,310 >> that's that's the intent. And that's the 1365 00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:08,320 » that's that's the intent. And that's the 1366 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,320 intent as when we as we as we were sure 1367 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,960 to use Facebook to use Facebook, and 1368 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,280 also the back of the bill, but Facebook 1369 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,680 is more real time to communicate exactly 1370 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:17,800 those kinds of things. 1371 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,390 >> Yeah, for the community updates for the 1372 00:37:19,390 --> 00:37:19,400 » Yeah, for the community updates for the 1373 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:20,040 disclosures. 1374 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:21,630 >> Exactly. That's exactly what we're 1375 00:37:21,630 --> 00:37:21,640 » Exactly. That's exactly what we're 1376 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:22,040 doing. 1377 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:22,550 >> That's cool. 1378 00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:22,560 » That's cool. 1379 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:23,950 >> We try to cross with the constant 1380 00:37:23,950 --> 00:37:23,960 » We try to cross with the constant 1381 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,680 contact, too, and keep all the messaging 1382 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,920 very, very much the same. So, Jenny or 1383 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,160 Laura or somebody will be doing the 1384 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:30,710 >> people will find that so helpful if you 1385 00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:30,720 » people will find that so helpful if you 1386 00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:31,560 Thanks so much, too. 1387 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,190 >> And our Yeah, that's 1388 00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:33,200 » And our Yeah, that's 1389 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,680 as Lisa says, our office staff has 1390 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:36,840 developed such a good working 1391 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,120 relationship with the office staff here. 1392 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:40,480 So, I mean, the first thing I did when I 1393 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,040 found out we had a new Facebook page was 1394 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,320 I said, "Bob, please talk to Lisa, and 1395 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,080 ask Lisa to promote it with all the park 1396 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,360 communication channels." 1397 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:47,630 >> She did. 1398 00:37:47,630 --> 00:37:47,640 » She did. 1399 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:48,830 >> And he said, "I've I've already done 1400 00:37:48,830 --> 00:37:48,840 » And he said, "I've I've already done 1401 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,360 that, you know." So, that's that's the 1402 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:51,640 kind of thing that we're working on. 1403 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:52,040 Yeah. 1404 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:52,830 >> I absolutely agree. 1405 00:37:52,830 --> 00:37:52,840 » I absolutely agree. 1406 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,270 >> It took a turkey hitting the chief's 1407 00:37:54,270 --> 00:37:54,280 » It took a turkey hitting the chief's 1408 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,360 window to get you 1,000 uh views, so 1409 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:57,760 we're in good shape. We're popping up 1410 00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:58,160 higher on the list. 1411 00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,990 >> Yeah. Well, at least it popped in her 1412 00:37:59,990 --> 00:38:00,000 » Yeah. Well, at least it popped in her 1413 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,320 car, so that's good, too. 1414 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:02,110 >> Thanks, God. 1415 00:38:02,110 --> 00:38:02,120 » Thanks, God. 1416 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,270 >> Yeah. Bob's been a tremendous addition. 1417 00:38:04,270 --> 00:38:04,280 » Yeah. Bob's been a tremendous addition. 1418 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,390 >> He's He's terrific. We 1419 00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:06,400 » He's He's terrific. We 1420 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:07,560 We have a lot of work to do. We're 1421 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,800 discovering all kinds of things that we 1422 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,920 didn't know we needed to discover. 1423 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:12,800 Um 1424 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,920 but we're getting there. Getting there. 1425 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,040 He's only been there a few months, so 1426 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,160 hang hang in there with us. We're 1427 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,710 getting there. 1428 00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:23,640 Still. Okay. Thank you, again. 1429 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,680 Um we had a 1430 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,040 brief but 1431 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:28,800 loaded uh 1432 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,240 fire board meeting this afternoon. 1433 00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:33,480 Um I'll just hit some of the highlights, 1434 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,000 but if you're interested here 1435 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,880 if there this is my stat that I just got 1436 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,720 today, which I have not fully looked at, 1437 00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:42,960 but if you want to know anything 1438 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,400 about response times, or what kind of 1439 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,480 response it was, or how 1440 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:48,240 uh 1441 00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:51,520 what kind of a call it was compared with 1442 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,880 last 10 years, just month to month 1443 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,800 I'll leave it there close. You feel free 1444 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,160 to 1445 00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:59,920 peruse that and ask any questions, but 1446 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:02,760 here just a couple of highlights. Um 1447 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,360 just in July we had 149 incidents, which 1448 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,160 was a record. 1449 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,240 Um probably most of them not probably 1450 00:39:11,240 --> 00:39:13,680 most of the incidents are medical. 1451 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,200 Um falling remains the number one, which 1452 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,640 is likely to happen in a 1453 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,800 in a in a town that has 1454 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:27,670 a lot of old people. 1455 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:28,400 Uh 1456 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,440 yeah, right. Um 1457 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,680 and that's that was a record. 1458 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,880 The average emergency response time 1459 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,920 through July went up at 7 uh minutes and 1460 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,000 20 seconds, which is slower, but 1461 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,880 probably the reason is because the 1462 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,800 traffic volume on Blue Star Highway. 1463 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,200 So, uh that's really been a factor. 1464 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,510 Um 1465 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,440 The the biggest problem that we have is 1466 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,720 over 34% of our calls 1467 00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:01,560 30% of our calls over the year are 1468 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,080 overlapping calls. And we had a long 1469 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:05,640 discussion one of the biggest problems 1470 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,440 that we're having right now are these 1471 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,400 iPhone crash alerts. 1472 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,960 We've had 15 of them this year. We all 1473 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,800 got our phones and we're lucky like I 1474 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,360 didn't know that 1475 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:18,920 I drop my phone all the time. I can't 1476 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,440 believe that it doesn't automatically 1477 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,560 call 911 or but 1478 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:24,760 So, you might want to look in the 1479 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,200 settings on your phone. You have the 1480 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,080 emergency SOS 1481 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,000 and you have to turn it off if you don't 1482 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,160 want it to be on. And then it will list 1483 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,600 your emergency contacts and my phone 1484 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,800 will call you if they determine that 1485 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,920 there was a severe accident. But what's 1486 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:42,480 happening is 1487 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:43,640 you know, people are putting their phone 1488 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,600 on the top of their car 1489 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,720 who would ever do that and driving off 1490 00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:50,383 with it. And so 1491 00:40:50,383 --> 00:40:50,390 >> [laughter] 1492 00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:50,400 » [laughter] 1493 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:51,150 >> So, 1494 00:40:51,150 --> 00:40:51,160 » So, 1495 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,360 it falls and then, you know, the fire 1496 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,560 department is out there looking 1497 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,200 It gives you like a 750-ft radius. 1498 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,080 They're out there looking for 1499 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,840 iPhones when there wasn't a crash. 1500 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,960 And in the meantime what 1501 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,520 And in the meantime, you know, there 1502 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,360 could be a priority one call that 1503 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,240 they're needed for. With a small staff 1504 00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:13,840 like we have, that's that's a problem. 1505 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,840 So, we're looking at 1506 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,680 how we can address that. We're going to 1507 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,440 I see Wendy's on the line here. We're 1508 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,080 Wendy, we're we're going to commission 1509 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:23,320 you to 1510 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,200 write a great article in the commercial 1511 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,760 record and try and educate people a 1512 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,640 little bit better on it. 1513 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,440 Um 1514 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,360 Then we moved on and talked about 415 1515 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,760 Wiley. 1516 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,760 All good news there. 1517 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,800 Um 1518 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,000 Uh all of our bonds were successfully 1519 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,920 sold. They opened them up um I can't 1520 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,920 remember but the August 7th. 1521 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,680 So, they opened up bidding at 11:00 and 1522 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,600 by 12 minutes later they were all 1523 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:54,880 bid. 1524 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,520 And there were like seven bidders. 1525 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,480 And they got a really great um 1526 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,880 interest rates and good terms on on the 1527 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:03,920 loan. 1528 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:05,400 So, that was 1529 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,000 a real um 1530 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,280 We're moving in the right direction 1531 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:09,320 here. 1532 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:10,880 Um 1533 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,480 The the bonds will be distributed to the 1534 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,120 township on August 27th. 1535 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,680 They finally received the master deed 1536 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,040 and condominium documents and they're 1537 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,440 transferring it over to 1538 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,120 the fire district attorney for a legal 1539 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,640 review. So that'll be set to go. So we 1540 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,520 look to be 1541 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,800 pretty much on track to 1542 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,680 have it on the next agenda for sale. 1543 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:37,710 >> The next one or the 1544 00:42:37,710 --> 00:42:37,720 » The next one or the 1545 00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:39,470 >> No, it'll be on the next one. Okay. 1546 00:42:39,470 --> 00:42:39,480 » No, it'll be on the next one. Okay. 1547 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:40,430 >> Yeah. 1548 00:42:40,430 --> 00:42:40,440 » Yeah. 1549 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:41,470 >> We're going to move that to the next 1550 00:42:41,470 --> 00:42:41,480 » We're going to move that to the next 1551 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,120 meeting in September. 1552 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:45,630 >> I'm ready. 1553 00:42:45,630 --> 00:42:45,640 » I'm ready. 1554 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,440 It's been a lot of teamwork between the 1555 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:47,960 city and the 1556 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:48,790 >> Absolutely. 1557 00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:48,800 » Absolutely. 1558 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:49,590 >> township and 1559 00:42:49,590 --> 00:42:49,600 » township and 1560 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,110 >> Got great compliments and again for like 1561 00:42:52,110 --> 00:42:52,120 » Got great compliments and again for like 1562 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:53,480 one of the things that we approved this 1563 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,880 evening was buying these storage sheds 1564 00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,320 for two different reasons. We have to 1565 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:00,920 keep a lot of 1566 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,040 flammable materials 1567 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,160 flames and all the things. Flames um 1568 00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:07,840 batteries, things that people are 1569 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,080 collecting because we haven't had a 1570 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,600 hazardous waste stay in a while. 1571 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,040 Um but then they're going to take all 1572 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,520 the furniture that we donated. 1573 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,600 Uh that's currently 1574 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,280 in the building in suite one and two and 1575 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:22,800 they'll be stored in those storage 1576 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,880 containers during their construction 1577 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,240 projects. So we did that this evening 1578 00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:32,270 too. Let's see and um 1579 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,360 I think that's it. 1580 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:35,440 Good. 1581 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,120 Laura, maybe we could Would you mind 1582 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,680 moving up this report to the next 1583 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,720 meeting in each month? So 1584 00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:43,360 I mean I just had it like an hour ago. 1585 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,270 So 1586 00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:45,790 >> [laughter] 1587 00:43:45,790 --> 00:43:45,800 » [laughter] 1588 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,790 >> I don't have time to really digest it 1589 00:43:47,790 --> 00:43:47,800 » I don't have time to really digest it 1590 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:48,720 and do a 1591 00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:50,280 thorough report. 1592 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,600 Probably same as you, right? 1593 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,040 Wouldn't it be better to have our 1594 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,200 reports 1595 00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:00,310 the first meeting of the month? 1596 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,280 » It doesn't matter to me. We we can move 1597 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,680 it to the first one. Usually the 1598 00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,400 my meeting is usually over by noon. So I 1599 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,000 have a little bit of time to adjust and 1600 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:08,760 think about it. 1601 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,510 >> Yours is over 20 minutes before you have 1602 00:44:10,510 --> 00:44:10,520 » Yours is over 20 minutes before you have 1603 00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,440 to get in the car and drive here, so I 1604 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,600 understand that. 1605 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:15,800 You're trying to think it through while 1606 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:16,920 you're probably about to hit people in 1607 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,640 the booster. 1608 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,790 >> Okay, that's it for um 1609 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,080 board reports 1610 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,040 and to administrative report, Lisa. 1611 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:27,590 >> Yes, thank you. I'm going to give each 1612 00:44:27,590 --> 00:44:27,600 » Yes, thank you. I'm going to give each 1613 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:28,800 of you one of these. I have two things 1614 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,360 tonight. If you could please pass one to 1615 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,120 each house member. 1616 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,640 Um as you know, we've been talking about 1617 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,760 uh deer management. Uh and it's been a 1618 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,800 very hot topic for some time. We did 1619 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,800 participate I'll try to speak louder. We 1620 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,640 did participate in a wildlife committee 1621 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,400 with uh Saugatuck Township and the city 1622 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,240 of Saugatuck. Uh those meetings ceased 1623 00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:53,200 uh in the um winter. I think we are all 1624 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,400 kind of at an impasse on where what we 1625 00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:56,960 were going to try to do, so everybody 1626 00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,880 kind went their separate ways and we're 1627 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,000 going to try to stay in touch and figure 1628 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,040 out some options. Um 1629 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,720 our neighboring community did send us um 1630 00:45:05,720 --> 00:45:09,160 some information. Right now, uh Douglas, 1631 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:10,920 our management program allows bow 1632 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,360 hunting on and she please weigh in if I 1633 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:14,880 if I miss you got something on 1634 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,360 qualifying private properties through 1635 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:17,760 the city's established deer management 1636 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,040 program. 1637 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:20,760 Applications for the hunting season for 1638 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,920 2026 and I'm going to say 27 because it 1639 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,400 goes into January. 1640 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:25,600 Um hunting season are already being 1641 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,120 picked up and the program is moving 1642 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:28,640 forward. 1643 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,640 Um the program relies primarily on 1644 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,240 private property owners voluntarily 1645 00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:33,640 participating allowing hunting on 1646 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,440 qualifying parcels. 1647 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,640 We do have a uh individual that was on 1648 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,560 the wildlife committee, Tony Chippewa, 1649 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,120 assisting with identifying additional 1650 00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:42,960 private properties and others who may 1651 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,120 and and uh those who may want to 1652 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:46,920 participate, which could expand the 1653 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:48,560 program this year. 1654 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,800 Douglas has limited property, um public 1655 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,120 property suitable for conducting a 1656 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:53,680 professional call. 1657 00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,320 And the city currently has no funding 1658 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,400 budgeted for a professional deer call. 1659 00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,040 And we can continue the existing program 1660 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:00,520 through the upcoming season and evaluate 1661 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:01,920 the results before determining whether 1662 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,280 additional measures are necessary. 1663 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,680 Um it is not an easy decision to do 1664 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:08,600 this. 1665 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,960 Uh there's a lot of concerns. 1666 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:11,800 Um 1667 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,040 even though some will say, "Well, just 1668 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,440 use the 720 acres or something like 1669 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,800 that." You do There were concerns about 1670 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,320 the fact that you want to draw the deer 1671 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,880 in for safety, but baiting is still 1672 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,560 illegal in Michigan down here especially 1673 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,440 right now. So, that's not something 1674 00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,760 anybody can just do. Um 1675 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:30,200 So, 1676 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:31,550 >> Is it legal or illegal? 1677 00:46:31,550 --> 00:46:31,560 » Is it legal or illegal? 1678 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:32,190 >> It's illegal. 1679 00:46:32,190 --> 00:46:32,200 » It's illegal. 1680 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:32,950 >> Yeah, I thought so. 1681 00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:32,960 » Yeah, I thought so. 1682 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:34,630 >> Yeah, it's still illegal. It's not 1683 00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:34,640 » Yeah, it's still illegal. It's not 1684 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,200 illegal in the U.P., but it is illegal 1685 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:37,720 here. 1686 00:46:37,720 --> 00:46:40,560 Um our neighboring community proposed 1687 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,080 some information to us which I shared 1688 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,080 with you. They're exploring contracting 1689 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,400 with a another uh contractor to conduct 1690 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,200 a professional deer cull. 1691 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:49,600 Uh they asked if we would be interested 1692 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,200 in participating. 1693 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,840 Uh the contractor quoted $495 per deer 1694 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,880 which includes permitting activities, 1695 00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,640 the cull, field dressing, and donation 1696 00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:58,720 to me. 1697 00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:00,440 Uh there's also thermal imaging that 1698 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,080 could be done. Their experience 1699 00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:03,680 conducting this municipal and 1700 00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,880 institutional deer culls including work 1701 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,080 through Grand Haven, Jackson, Livonia, 1702 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:09,680 Dearborn, and others. 1703 00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,000 Their professional shooting team 1704 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,120 conducts annual training and 1705 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,640 qualification. They carry insurance with 1706 00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,480 them the participating municipalities 1707 00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,240 and additional insured. 1708 00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:19,720 Which I'd have to check with our 1709 00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:21,640 insurance if that would be okay. The 1710 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,000 proposed operation would generally occur 1711 00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:24,720 at night using thermal imaging, with 1712 00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:26,600 sound suppression, and specialized 1713 00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,160 ammunition. 1714 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,240 Um on the back, programmable feeders 1715 00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:32,120 would be established. I'm not so sure 1716 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,000 about how that would work. We still 1717 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,480 would have to explore that because of 1718 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,960 the baiting aspect of this. 1719 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,120 Um they are our neighboring community is 1720 00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,320 also investigating um the beach as an 1721 00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,520 area possible area for a location for 1722 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:45,920 winter cull. 1723 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,600 And Grand Haven reported we uh we cull 1724 00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,240 uh culled with this group 50 deer over 1725 00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:53,040 two nights using this contractor. So, 50 1726 00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:58,870 deer is $495. That's about $24,750. 1727 00:47:58,880 --> 00:47:59,680 » Read the deer. 1728 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,030 >> Yeah. Um 1729 00:48:01,030 --> 00:48:01,040 » Yeah. Um 1730 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:01,990 >> It's archery if you get it. 1731 00:48:01,990 --> 00:48:02,000 » It's archery if you get it. 1732 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:03,350 >> So, 1733 00:48:03,350 --> 00:48:03,360 » So, 1734 00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:04,680 some of the issues we would need to 1735 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,120 resolve if we were to think about 1736 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:07,960 participating, identifying a suitable 1737 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,840 property where this could take place, 1738 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:12,160 determine whether Douglas' limited 1739 00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:13,920 public property makes participation 1740 00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:15,320 practical, 1741 00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:16,920 confirm with the DNR what feeding and 1742 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:18,240 baiting activities would be legally 1743 00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:19,640 permissible, 1744 00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,120 determine the desired number of deer we 1745 00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,040 want we would want removed and resulting 1746 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:24,960 to to the resulting total cost and of 1747 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:26,800 course approve a budget amendment. We 1748 00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,480 would need to do that. And determine 1749 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:29,600 whether Douglas would participate 1750 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,200 independently or jointly with our 1751 00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:32,920 neighboring community. 1752 00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:34,360 So, you have the two options at the 1753 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:35,680 bottom. I don't think I can read three, 1754 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:36,640 you know, I just kind of went through 1755 00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,520 them. So, you have options one and two. 1756 00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:39,800 We don't have to solve this today, but 1757 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,200 we are getting into the next hunting 1758 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,080 season. Chief, did you want to add 1759 00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:44,440 anything to this cuz I know you've been 1760 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:45,800 really We've been talking about this a 1761 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:46,360 lot. 1762 00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,470 >> Um it's important to note that in our 1763 00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:48,480 » Um it's important to note that in our 1764 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,920 program, it's archery only. 1765 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:51,270 >> Mhm. 1766 00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:51,280 » Mhm. 1767 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,510 >> Um if you have callers come in, they're 1768 00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:53,520 » Um if you have callers come in, they're 1769 00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,600 going to be using fire. 1770 00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,200 So, the community needs to be aware of 1771 00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,160 that, of course. 1772 00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,160 And the thing that we're focusing on 1773 00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:05,120 this year with Tony Ship's assistance is 1774 00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:06,640 we have some property owners that are 1775 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,640 interested. We need hunters. 1776 00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,960 And if we can get a list of hunters, 1777 00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,040 list of property owners, 1778 00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,520 and join those two together, we can 1779 00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,120 hopefully be a little more successful 1780 00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:19,920 this year. 1781 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,870 >> Would it Is there potential that any of 1782 00:49:21,870 --> 00:49:21,880 » Would it Is there potential that any of 1783 00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,240 those hunters would be taking the deer 1784 00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:28,190 for themselves for 1785 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:29,840 venison? 1786 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,520 And saving $500 a deer? 1787 00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:33,990 >> Sure. 1788 00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:34,000 » Sure. 1789 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,120 Yeah, we wouldn't be paying for the 1790 00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,880 processing. That would all be on them. 1791 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:39,790 >> Right now, what whatever they take in 1792 00:49:39,790 --> 00:49:39,800 » Right now, what whatever they take in 1793 00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,880 our program is not the city doesn't pay 1794 00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,480 for any of that. That's all on the 1795 00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:44,040 hunter. 1796 00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:44,310 >> Mhm. 1797 00:49:44,310 --> 00:49:44,320 » Mhm. 1798 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:45,630 >> In this program, it would be 1799 00:49:45,630 --> 00:49:45,640 » In this program, it would be 1800 00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:46,590 >> Yeah, is it okay? 1801 00:49:46,590 --> 00:49:46,600 » Yeah, is it okay? 1802 00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:47,430 >> Yeah. 1803 00:49:47,430 --> 00:49:47,440 » Yeah. 1804 00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,470 >> Did Have Have you seen an increase in 1805 00:49:49,470 --> 00:49:49,480 » Did Have Have you seen an increase in 1806 00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,240 the number of licenses that have been 1807 00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:52,680 pulled? 1808 00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,790 >> Or applied for an application? 1809 00:49:54,790 --> 00:49:54,800 » Or applied for an application? 1810 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,710 >> had a lot of applications picked up. 1811 00:49:57,710 --> 00:49:57,720 » had a lot of applications picked up. 1812 00:49:57,720 --> 00:49:59,560 And none returned to us. 1813 00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,960 Last year, we only had four hunters. 1814 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:04,880 We had a lot of talk, but we only had 1815 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,680 four hunters, and out of that, only one 1816 00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,720 hunter reported back getting two does. 1817 00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:12,830 >> You get more than that without Friday 1818 00:50:12,830 --> 00:50:12,840 » You get more than that without Friday 1819 00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,120 reporting. 1820 00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:15,590 >> Carson City. 1821 00:50:15,590 --> 00:50:15,600 » Carson City. 1822 00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,350 >> Absolutely. 1823 00:50:17,350 --> 00:50:17,360 » Absolutely. 1824 00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:18,000 And that's 1825 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,590 >> Well, Chief, wasn't there a concern too 1826 00:50:19,590 --> 00:50:19,600 » Well, Chief, wasn't there a concern too 1827 00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:20,840 by some that they could cross the 1828 00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:22,360 property line? 1829 00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:22,950 >> Yes. 1830 00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:22,960 » Yes. 1831 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:24,310 >> And what would happen with that? 1832 00:50:24,310 --> 00:50:24,320 » And what would happen with that? 1833 00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,830 >> And what we instructed them would be to 1834 00:50:26,830 --> 00:50:26,840 » And what we instructed them would be to 1835 00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,000 call us and have us talk to the 1836 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,200 neighboring property and see, okay, will 1837 00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,720 you let us go deer hunting to them? 1838 00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:37,800 Those kind of things. But 1839 00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:39,920 a color could have the same issue. 1840 00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:40,310 >> Yes. 1841 00:50:40,310 --> 00:50:40,320 » Yes. 1842 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:41,750 >> We don't have 1843 00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:41,760 » We don't have 1844 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,600 This big of area in the city is what on 1845 00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,040 the west side of Saugatuck to be 1846 00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,920 available to hunt. 1847 00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:50,150 >> Yeah. 1848 00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:50,160 » Yeah. 1849 00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,630 >> This So, this information's great. 1850 00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:52,640 » This So, this information's great. 1851 00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:53,880 I appreciate it. You know, we're going 1852 00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:54,960 to have We're going to talk about it at 1853 00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:56,560 some point. 1854 00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:57,760 Wouldn't it be 1855 00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,520 more beneficial for our deer committee 1856 00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,440 to talk about this and come back with a 1857 00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,240 recommendation to us? 1858 00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:05,870 >> They're not meeting anymore. 1859 00:51:05,870 --> 00:51:05,880 » They're not meeting anymore. 1860 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,630 >> The deer committee though is 1861 00:51:07,630 --> 00:51:07,640 » The deer committee though is 1862 00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,190 >> But they're But I mean, our job is I 1863 00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:09,200 » But they're But I mean, our job is I 1864 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:10,240 guess Neil's are only going to do this 1865 00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:11,480 for us, right? So. 1866 00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,110 >> Well, right now, yeah. We had Tammy 1867 00:51:13,110 --> 00:51:13,120 » Well, right now, yeah. We had Tammy 1868 00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,680 Kinyon in and and another, but at this 1869 00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:17,960 point, I think they all just were not 1870 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,000 sure where to go at this point. Um 1871 00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,560 everybody had different ideas, and at 1872 00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:24,960 this point, I do think it's a council 1873 00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:25,840 decision. 1874 00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:27,950 >> I know that Tony's on that committee, 1875 00:51:27,950 --> 00:51:27,960 » I know that Tony's on that committee, 1876 00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:29,560 and you've got someone from the DNR on 1877 00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:29,880 that committee. 1878 00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:30,910 >> He's in the council. 1879 00:51:30,910 --> 00:51:30,920 » He's in the council. 1880 00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:31,670 >> Yeah. 1881 00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:31,680 » Yeah. 1882 00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:31,870 >> Yeah. 1883 00:51:31,870 --> 00:51:31,880 » Yeah. 1884 00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:33,310 >> But and the township has different rules 1885 00:51:33,310 --> 00:51:33,320 » But and the township has different rules 1886 00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:33,880 than we do. 1887 00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:34,310 >> Sure. 1888 00:51:34,310 --> 00:51:34,320 » Sure. 1889 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,430 >> You brought up a really good point in 1890 00:51:36,430 --> 00:51:36,440 » You brought up a really good point in 1891 00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:37,920 that 1892 00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:39,640 Douglas is a lot different than 1893 00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:43,200 Saugatuck in that we don't have 1894 00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:44,040 you know. 1895 00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:44,630 >> The land mass. 1896 00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:44,640 » The land mass. 1897 00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,950 >> over beach area in that area to go 1898 00:51:47,950 --> 00:51:47,960 » over beach area in that area to go 1899 00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,000 hunt. We don't have that many places 1900 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:50,600 that we can use. 1901 00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:52,230 >> The townships are the most, right? 1902 00:51:52,230 --> 00:51:52,240 » The townships are the most, right? 1903 00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:54,560 They're They're 30 miles squared or 2 1904 00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:55,480 miles squared. 1905 00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:56,350 >> Less than two. 1906 00:51:56,350 --> 00:51:56,360 » Less than two. 1907 00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,670 >> We're literally across from down Wiley 1908 00:51:58,670 --> 00:51:58,680 » We're literally across from down Wiley 1909 00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,200 and across from 1910 00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:00,350 >> And 1911 00:52:00,350 --> 00:52:00,360 » And 1912 00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:01,270 >> And we 1913 00:52:01,270 --> 00:52:01,280 » And we 1914 00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,080 can actually do it down the road. 1915 00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:04,230 >> On all sides of us, right? 1916 00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:04,240 » On all sides of us, right? 1917 00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:05,390 >> But that's in the township. 1918 00:52:05,390 --> 00:52:05,400 » But that's in the township. 1919 00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:06,230 >> It's in the township. 1920 00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:06,240 » It's in the township. 1921 00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:08,270 >> Yeah. 1922 00:52:08,270 --> 00:52:08,280 » Yeah. 1923 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:09,190 >> Um 1924 00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:09,200 » Um 1925 00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:10,640 I have My question is, how are 1926 00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,960 programmable feeders different than 1927 00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,590 baiting? 1928 00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:16,680 » That's a good question. 1929 00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:17,550 >> to get some 1930 00:52:17,550 --> 00:52:17,560 » to get some 1931 00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:18,270 >> It's a very good question. 1932 00:52:18,270 --> 00:52:18,280 » It's a very good question. 1933 00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:19,830 >> The callers would have to get some kind 1934 00:52:19,830 --> 00:52:19,840 » The callers would have to get some kind 1935 00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,920 of special permit from the DNR without 1936 00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:24,790 >> Isn't that really what baiting is? 1937 00:52:24,790 --> 00:52:24,800 » Isn't that really what baiting is? 1938 00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:25,510 >> Yes. 1939 00:52:25,510 --> 00:52:25,520 » Yes. 1940 00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:26,670 >> I see. 1941 00:52:26,670 --> 00:52:26,680 » I see. 1942 00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:27,190 >> Yes, it is. 1943 00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:27,200 » Yes, it is. 1944 00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,310 >> Just without the corn and the carrots? 1945 00:52:29,310 --> 00:52:29,320 » Just without the corn and the carrots? 1946 00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:29,910 >> Or 1947 00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:29,920 » Or 1948 00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:31,950 >> I'm not sure how they make their way 1949 00:52:31,950 --> 00:52:31,960 » I'm not sure how they make their way 1950 00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:32,840 around town. 1951 00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:33,710 >> What's 1952 00:52:33,710 --> 00:52:33,720 » What's 1953 00:52:33,720 --> 00:52:35,030 >> There's corn, carrots, and apples in my 1954 00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:35,040 » There's corn, carrots, and apples in my 1955 00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:36,920 neighbor's yard. 1956 00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:37,350 >> Oh. 1957 00:52:37,350 --> 00:52:37,360 » Oh. 1958 00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,830 >> You're kidding. 1959 00:52:39,830 --> 00:52:39,840 » You're kidding. 1960 00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,080 I do that. 1961 00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,710 >> It wouldn't be possible to like do a 1962 00:52:43,710 --> 00:52:43,720 » It wouldn't be possible to like do a 1963 00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:46,920 hybrid of both of these options? Like 1964 00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,320 My feeling is that we should stick with 1965 00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,080 the program that we had last year with 1966 00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,880 the emphasis on expanding it. Try to get 1967 00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,320 more people 1968 00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:57,840 involved, but 1969 00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,720 you know, I think 1970 00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:02,520 fall isn't that far away. We're We're 1971 00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:03,600 not 1972 00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,120 nearly ready to 1973 00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,080 have people with guns out there. I don't 1974 00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:07,880 think we can. 1975 00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,320 But I don't think it's a bad idea to 1976 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:16,070 engage with Sagatuck in the township and 1977 00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:17,080 Yeah, I don't think that will work this 1978 00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,280 year, but I mean, it'd be interesting to 1979 00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:21,830 >> I think it's wise to see how it works 1980 00:53:21,830 --> 00:53:21,840 » I think it's wise to see how it works 1981 00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:23,320 for them and continue to see if our 1982 00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,880 program does better than it did because 1983 00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:27,920 we've had another year to get going, 1984 00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,520 right? And then if we find that next 1985 00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:32,120 year no, that our program didn't do as 1986 00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:33,440 well or whatever and they did really 1987 00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,720 well, we can talk about it, right? 1988 00:53:35,720 --> 00:53:37,360 You might You never know. We'll see. 1989 00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,510 >> We just need the public to know that we 1990 00:53:39,510 --> 00:53:39,520 » We just need the public to know that we 1991 00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:40,920 have, you know, this has been top of 1992 00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:42,720 mind for us as 1993 00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:43,800 first 1994 00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,360 years. 1995 00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,590 >> You know, and 1996 00:53:47,590 --> 00:53:47,600 » You know, and 1997 00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:49,200 we're still working on it. It's not like 1998 00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,040 we've 1999 00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:52,960 It's a survey of the situation. 2000 00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,270 >> It's a survey of the song. 2001 00:53:55,270 --> 00:53:55,280 » It's a survey of the song. 2002 00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:56,550 >> The survey, I mean, it gives you a 2003 00:53:56,550 --> 00:53:56,560 » The survey, I mean, it gives you a 2004 00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,160 little bit. No, nobody wants to to 2005 00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,640 destroy it as we have, but the survey 2006 00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:02,920 did 2007 00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:04,760 have a pretty significant gap in the 2008 00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,160 fact that people did want to see the 2009 00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:10,120 elimination, and a lot of it had to do 2010 00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:11,640 Yes, a lot of it had to do with plants, 2011 00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:12,840 but a lot of it had to do more with 2012 00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,520 people becoming aware of the fact of the 2013 00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,120 disease and all the other things that 2014 00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,640 are spreading within the deer that are 2015 00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,000 are causing a lot of these these issues. 2016 00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:24,520 Nobody wants to see them die. I mean, we 2017 00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,000 had one that passed away don't believe. 2018 00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,560 I mean, we don't know what it's from. We 2019 00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:30,760 still don't. They happen. And so 2020 00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:31,630 >> Wasn't the waste people 2021 00:54:31,630 --> 00:54:31,640 » Wasn't the waste people 2022 00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,790 >> We don't know. Yeah, we're not sure what 2023 00:54:33,790 --> 00:54:33,800 » We don't know. Yeah, we're not sure what 2024 00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,520 happened, but it it we probably Um so, I 2025 00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:38,920 mean, it's just starting to happen and 2026 00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,160 there's just too many of them, and it's 2027 00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:42,640 nobody wants to see that in the yard. 2028 00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,080 Nobody wants to see that. I mean, it's 2029 00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:44,920 just 2030 00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,160 And we don't have enough arrows. 2031 00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,310 >> not behaving normally. They're 2032 00:54:48,310 --> 00:54:48,320 » not behaving normally. They're 2033 00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,150 >> No, they're not. 2034 00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:50,160 » No, they're not. 2035 00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:51,630 >> Like 2036 00:54:51,630 --> 00:54:51,640 » Like 2037 00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,760 I have a friend that has a big yard, and 2038 00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,160 when I park my car and I go out to the 2039 00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:00,200 car, there's like 15 deer I have to go 2040 00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,760 You don't They don't I like I'm afraid 2041 00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:04,080 to walk through there because they don't 2042 00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:05,240 They just stand there and look at me 2043 00:55:05,240 --> 00:55:06,160 like 2044 00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,150 >> We have an entitled 2045 00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:08,160 » We have an entitled 2046 00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,120 We have an entitled deer. 2047 00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:11,760 I will tell you they do anything. 2048 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,590 >> The time that I did in the UP, there's 2049 00:55:13,590 --> 00:55:13,600 » The time that I did in the UP, there's 2050 00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:15,400 nothing like that. They are terrified of 2051 00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:16,520 humans. 2052 00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:17,680 And they are terrified of humans, 2053 00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,760 they're terrified of dogs. They don't 2054 00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,600 come near you. They run. It's a very 2055 00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,200 different mentality. I mean, they do 2056 00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,240 have a larger wolf population, coyotes, 2057 00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:29,640 and other things, but um I I they walk 2058 00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,120 out there, they go. They're not 2059 00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,440 domesticated at all. 2060 00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,360 It's just bizarre. And the DNR will tell 2061 00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,040 you. Don Popp said, "These are weird 2062 00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,280 deer. These deer are not right." I mean, 2063 00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:40,240 they're 2064 00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:42,000 They are and you can see a lot of them 2065 00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,520 aren't even growing to full size. 2066 00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,120 They're They're very small. I mean, 2067 00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,360 they're not growing to full size 2068 00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,240 at all. There is There is a big problem 2069 00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:52,360 here and and we just maybe have to look 2070 00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,600 at it from two different standpoints. 2071 00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:55,760 Right. So, let's look at it from the 2072 00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,280 standpoint of the health and well-being 2073 00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,640 of animals, too. I mean, 2074 00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,640 you know, this is a very very caring 2075 00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,800 community when it comes to 2076 00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:05,920 the and the wildlife green I mean, 2077 00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:07,760 everything, so. 2078 00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:09,240 It's a hard topic. It's a hard 2079 00:56:09,240 --> 00:56:10,840 conversation to have, but you're not 2080 00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:12,200 trying to be bullies. You're not trying 2081 00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:13,360 to hurt you You're trying to do the 2082 00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,880 right thing. 2083 00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:17,950 >> So, we're we're not This is just 2084 00:56:17,950 --> 00:56:17,960 » So, we're we're not This is just 2085 00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:18,120 information. 2086 00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:18,910 >> This is 2087 00:56:18,910 --> 00:56:18,920 » This is 2088 00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:20,760 Right. Right. But, I do think if council 2089 00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:22,640 wants to go in a certain direction, if 2090 00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,560 we're going to leave it for one more 2091 00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,880 winter and just let Chief keep working 2092 00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,080 the way that we are, that's fine. And 2093 00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:30,840 maybe, like Matt said, see how it goes 2094 00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:32,600 in the other community, but just give 2095 00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,480 Sault Tribe some feedback on Thank you. 2096 00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:36,920 You let us know how it goes and keep 2097 00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:38,280 moving. I don't know. But, that's up to 2098 00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:39,840 the council to give direction. But, we 2099 00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:40,880 do go in that direction, we'd have to 2100 00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:42,920 amend the budget and and spend some 2101 00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,480 funds and sign up to a on a contractor 2102 00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:46,800 and go through insurance and things like 2103 00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:47,680 that, so. 2104 00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,270 >> So, throw corn and apples and Sonny Bono 2105 00:56:50,270 --> 00:56:50,280 » So, throw corn and apples and Sonny Bono 2106 00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:51,640 at your car. 2107 00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,510 >> I said nothing like that. 2108 00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:53,520 » I said nothing like that. 2109 00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,000 I will not say that. 2110 00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:56,920 Um council, one more other thing. I 2111 00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:58,000 don't want to go through this at length, 2112 00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,080 but I did send you information um about 2113 00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,440 this proposal, the second proposal that 2114 00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,360 came up from the KLHA that's being 2115 00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,200 discussed tomorrow night. They are not 2116 00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,480 making a financial decision, but just 2117 00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,000 really quick, I just wanted to give you 2118 00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:11,800 some just some footnotes. I know it's a 2119 00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:13,800 little long, but it is a little bit 2120 00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,120 cumbersome. 2121 00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,240 Um but the question you know, give you 2122 00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:19,720 some ideas, but these two cost now, they 2123 00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:21,560 want to start moving into a direction at 2124 00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,040 about 3,000 per little or 3,000 per 2125 00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,440 community to start uh data collection 2126 00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,120 and market assessment, economic and 2127 00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:29,720 fiscal impact assessment, and a final 2128 00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:31,880 report, travel data, and economic 2129 00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:33,080 multipliers. So, it'd be the three 2130 00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:36,120 communities putting up $10,750. 2131 00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,560 So, what I wanted to find out from you 2132 00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,000 is if you could read through this a 2133 00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,040 little bit, it would be a good idea. I'm 2134 00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:44,320 going to be at the meeting. I think Sue 2135 00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,280 is, Jeff is not, but I will be there 2136 00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:47,440 tomorrow night. 2137 00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:48,710 >> Is it tomorrow night or tomorrow 2138 00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:48,720 » Is it tomorrow night or tomorrow 2139 00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:49,080 morning? 2140 00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,710 >> It's tomorrow night at 6:00, KLAJ. 2141 00:57:51,710 --> 00:57:51,720 » It's tomorrow night at 6:00, KLAJ. 2142 00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,070 >> The Douglas Harbor's tomorrow morning, 2143 00:57:54,070 --> 00:57:54,080 » The Douglas Harbor's tomorrow morning, 2144 00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:54,760 KLAJ Harbor. 2145 00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:56,310 >> Yeah, KLAJ is tomorrow. 2146 00:57:56,310 --> 00:57:56,320 » Yeah, KLAJ is tomorrow. 2147 00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:57,480 This is where they're going to discuss 2148 00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,560 that. So, I just wanted to give you as 2149 00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:01,200 much as I can to break it down. There is 2150 00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:02,360 no way to break down that much 2151 00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:03,960 information 2152 00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,440 in one page, but I think it would be 2153 00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:07,880 great if if everybody could just give me 2154 00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:09,680 a little bit of of advisement so I can 2155 00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:11,720 share with Sue and Jeff where we think 2156 00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:13,240 we want to go cuz I I know that the 2157 00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,640 group wants to start moving in another 2158 00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:17,720 direction at the next meeting. Tomorrow 2159 00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:19,400 night, Christian from Vetter is just 2160 00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,480 going to talk about the findings, but 2161 00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,640 there are some very interesting things 2162 00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:25,480 in here that I want you to be very, 2163 00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,000 very, very much aware of. That I think 2164 00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,800 it's important, but there are some 2165 00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,760 suggestions about an X7 at Reiman that 2166 00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,200 would allow them to 2167 00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,000 there will be financial obligations 2168 00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:40,920 calculated from each community moving 2169 00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,240 forward. So, that's on the back. I did 2170 00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,800 send you everything, but I just want to 2171 00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:47,040 make sure that you know that they're 2172 00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:48,800 talking about TIF mechanisms, special 2173 00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,840 assessments, and other things. 2174 00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,120 So, 2175 00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:54,440 take a close, close look at that and the 2176 00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,240 information that I have sent to you. And 2177 00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,350 if you could get back to me between now 2178 00:58:58,350 --> 00:58:59,440 [clears throat] and maybe and maybe 2179 00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,040 within the next couple of weeks with 2180 00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:02,400 some feedback, that would be really 2181 00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:03,840 helpful. 2182 00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:05,440 Or I could create another little survey 2183 00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,160 from this, too. Whatever makes it easy 2184 00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:08,680 for all of you. This is not a full-time 2185 00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:10,320 job, so I want to make sure that I'm 2186 00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:11,960 giving you what you need to make it easy 2187 00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:13,760 to go through this, digest it like they 2188 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,480 did the first phase to come up with what 2189 00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:20,110 you feel would be the best direction. 2190 00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:21,560 The last thing I wanted to propose to 2191 00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:22,600 you 2192 00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:24,800 is 9/11 event. We know it we've had that 2193 00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,080 the last few years. I was wondering if 2194 00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,800 Council would consider having the 9/11 2195 00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:31,840 event at Waits Park this year. 2196 00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:33,720 Having it across from the street and 2197 00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:35,880 moving it down to Waits, and then having 2198 00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:37,880 the fire truck down there, the flag up, 2199 00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:39,240 and kind of do it where we don't have to 2200 00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:40,760 block the roads. 2201 00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:41,790 >> The only thing is, is there enough 2202 00:59:41,790 --> 00:59:41,800 » The only thing is, is there enough 2203 00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:43,880 parking? 2204 00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,750 >> We only get like 10 or 15 people showing 2205 00:59:46,750 --> 00:59:46,760 » We only get like 10 or 15 people showing 2206 00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:48,600 up. Maybe people get some more, but 2207 00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:50,480 would everybody be okay with that? And 2208 00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:51,800 then if it grows, maybe we can move it 2209 00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:53,120 again. We thought about the pavilion, 2210 00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:54,440 but we're not quite there yet. We're 2211 00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:55,960 still doing some tweaks down at the new 2212 00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:57,440 pavilion. Um 2213 00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:58,590 >> Oh, you're talking Waits now. 2214 00:59:58,590 --> 00:59:58,600 » Oh, you're talking Waits now. 2215 00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,030 >> Yeah, Waits. Oh, yeah. Yeah. 2216 01:00:00,030 --> 01:00:00,040 » Yeah, Waits. Oh, yeah. Yeah. 2217 01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,030 >> Sorry. There's There's plenty of parking 2218 01:00:02,030 --> 01:00:02,040 » Sorry. There's There's plenty of parking 2219 01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:03,630 >> Would that be okay with everyone? 2220 01:00:03,630 --> 01:00:03,640 » Would that be okay with everyone? 2221 01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:04,070 >> Yeah. 2222 01:00:04,070 --> 01:00:04,080 » Yeah. 2223 01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:05,670 >> And we move it down there? 2224 01:00:05,670 --> 01:00:05,680 » And we move it down there? 2225 01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:07,600 Okay. All right. So, we'll plan on that 2226 01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:09,640 Friday morning, Friday the 11th, and 2227 01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:10,880 it's on a Friday. So, it's going to be a 2228 01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:12,720 busy day downtown and things like that. 2229 01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:14,400 So, we'll start getting it out there and 2230 01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,280 we'll start pushing for the 11th, uh 2231 01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,560 Friday the 11th at 9:00 a.m. 2232 01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:19,870 >> 25 years. 2233 01:00:19,870 --> 01:00:19,880 » 25 years. 2234 01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:20,750 >> Yeah. 2235 01:00:20,750 --> 01:00:20,760 » Yeah. 2236 01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:22,110 >> Do you need a speaker? 2237 01:00:22,110 --> 01:00:22,120 » Do you need a speaker? 2238 01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,110 >> Probably. Could you help us with that? 2239 01:00:24,110 --> 01:00:24,120 » Probably. Could you help us with that? 2240 01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,590 >> one. We have been using this speaker, so 2241 01:00:26,590 --> 01:00:26,600 » one. We have been using this speaker, so 2242 01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:28,560 that would be one of 2243 01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:31,270 >> Okay. Thank you. That'll Is anybody else 2244 01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:31,280 » Okay. Thank you. That'll Is anybody else 2245 01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,720 have anything to add on this side? 2246 01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:35,560 Okay. Thank you, everybody. I appreciate 2247 01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:40,670 all the the help and guidance. 2248 01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:42,440 » I'm sorry. 2249 01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:45,280 Okay. Um 2250 01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,200 Uh this is the second opportunity now 2251 01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,640 for public communication. 2252 01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:51,680 See Mr. Janetski jumping up here. This 2253 01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:52,960 can be on 2254 01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,040 items that were not on the prior agenda. 2255 01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:56,270 >> Excuse me. 2256 01:00:56,270 --> 01:00:56,280 » Excuse me. 2257 01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:58,600 Thank you very much, Mayor Norris, 2258 01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:00,640 members of Council. Bob Janetski with a 2259 01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:02,320 brief update from the County Clerk and 2260 01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:04,720 Register of Deeds offices. I appreciate 2261 01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:06,800 the opportunity. Uh no doubt you're 2262 01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:08,560 aware the primary election came and 2263 01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:10,680 went. Uh Clerk Casper and her team did 2264 01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:12,920 an amazing job. Uh 2265 01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,720 Douglas had 47.57% 2266 01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,160 turnout, uh compared with the rest of 2267 01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:19,560 the county, which was an average of 2268 01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:22,680 31.59. So, very high turnout. A lot of 2269 01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:24,400 work for her and her team to to manage, 2270 01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:26,720 but they did a great job. We are now 2271 01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:28,800 gearing up for November and we'll be 2272 01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,160 conducting more trainings for election 2273 01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:33,360 inspectors and more recruiting. 2274 01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:35,280 Uh I want to make sure that you're aware 2275 01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,160 that that you know, it used to be that 2276 01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:38,760 Commissioner Lovers was up late 2277 01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,040 stressing and and fretting about uh 2278 01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:42,680 somebody stealing his property through 2279 01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:44,960 property fraud and title theft. But then 2280 01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:46,720 he signed up for property fraud alert 2281 01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:48,920 and now he knows that if someone should 2282 01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,120 report a fake deed in his name, he'll 2283 01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,440 get a text message, an email, or a phone 2284 01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,600 call. And and I want to encourage you 2285 01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:57,160 and all of your constituents to do the 2286 01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:00,560 same and and sleep well like Mr. Lovers. 2287 01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:01,240 Uh 2288 01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:03,280 little update from the state. We are 2289 01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:06,000 told that the Secretary of State does in 2290 01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,320 fact want to push forward with uh new 2291 01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,080 voting machines for every jurisdictions. 2292 01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:12,480 Uh what would happen there would be 2293 01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,440 about a $15,000 hit per jurisdiction, 2294 01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:18,160 per precinct. Um and 2295 01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,440 I personally don't see the need for it. 2296 01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:22,120 I think our machines work really well 2297 01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:23,840 right now, but if the state mandates it, 2298 01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:25,760 we will have to move in that direction 2299 01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:27,560 with uh no guarantee of funding from the 2300 01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:29,840 state at this point. I want to draw your 2301 01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:32,000 attention to the most recent annual 2302 01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,040 report from my office. Uh you all have a 2303 01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:36,080 copy of that. Uh 2304 01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:38,280 It's some interesting stats from 2025. 2305 01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:40,360 I'm not going to read the entire thing 2306 01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,280 to you cuz I know that Chief Gatz likes 2307 01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:43,880 to make sure he goes through and 2308 01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:45,680 highlight every aspect for you that 2309 01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:48,600 pertains to the city's village dollars. 2310 01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:51,960 Um finally, I want to make sure that uh 2311 01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:53,720 that you know, I really appreciate the 2312 01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:55,160 opportunity to come and present here 2313 01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:56,320 because 2314 01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,520 up until the election inspector 2315 01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:01,320 trainings this spring, I had not been to 2316 01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:03,200 this building for 40 years when I came 2317 01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,200 to visit my cousin Patrick when he broke 2318 01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,080 his ribs swinging on the rope swing over 2319 01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:07,880 at the 2320 01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:09,800 Mount Baldhead. So, what I guess I'm 2321 01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:10,920 trying to say what a nice job you've 2322 01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:12,720 done to the place. Good to see 2323 01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:14,040 everybody. Thanks very much. 2324 01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:14,630 >> Thank you, Bob. 2325 01:03:14,630 --> 01:03:14,640 » Thank you, Bob. 2326 01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:17,590 >> Thanks, Bob. 2327 01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:27,350 Anyone else? 2328 01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:28,760 » I thought it was going to be Jonathan 2329 01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:29,080 Scott. 2330 01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:31,750 >> I did, too. 2331 01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:33,360 » Everybody. 2332 01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:34,750 >> I meant to ask for my phone number. 2333 01:03:34,750 --> 01:03:34,760 » I meant to ask for my phone number. 2334 01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:36,230 >> Good evening. My name is Heidi Wolff. 2335 01:03:36,230 --> 01:03:36,240 » Good evening. My name is Heidi Wolff. 2336 01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:37,960 I'm an attorney in Allegan, and I am 2337 01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:40,440 running for the 57th District Court, and 2338 01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:42,240 I will be on the ballot this fall. I 2339 01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,120 wanted to come out and introduce myself, 2340 01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,840 say hello, this is what I look like. I 2341 01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:48,920 have grown up in Allegan. I grew up in 2342 01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:50,480 Wayland, actually, moved to Allegan with 2343 01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:52,520 my husband, Tom. 2344 01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:54,240 We've been together for 32 years. He's 2345 01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:55,600 so excited to be here. He can't be 2346 01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:56,560 standing. 2347 01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:58,920 And we raised our kids in Allegan 2348 01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:01,200 County. I've been here my obviously, 2349 01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,360 like I said, my whole life. We have two 2350 01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:05,360 children. One daughter that's grown, and 2351 01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:06,800 now we're grandparents, best thing I've 2352 01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:08,240 ever done. 2353 01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,800 And our son still lives with us. I 2354 01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:12,120 started my practice in my parents' 2355 01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,080 dining room, worked very hard, been very 2356 01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:17,040 successful at that, and I continue to I 2357 01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:18,320 don't work in in our dining room 2358 01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:19,880 anymore. I have an office now in 2359 01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,960 Allegan, but I've been doing that, and 2360 01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:24,600 I've just decided that it's time to take 2361 01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:26,320 the skills that I've learned in my years 2362 01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:27,720 of practice and apply it to something 2363 01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:30,600 else. So, during this my tenure, just a 2364 01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:32,400 couple of highlights, I did help Judge 2365 01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:33,960 Scott set up the Mental Health Treatment 2366 01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:35,960 Court that's currently running in 2367 01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,280 District Court A. I am running for his 2368 01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:39,600 position. A lot of people are very 2369 01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,400 confused. There are two positions up for 2370 01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:43,760 election. 2371 01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:45,680 So, Judge Brunett is up for election, 2372 01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:47,600 and then Judge Scott is retiring, and 2373 01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:50,160 I'm running for that position. So, I 2374 01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,320 would like to see that court continue to 2375 01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:54,040 be as successful as it has been in 2376 01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,280 helping people with 2377 01:04:56,280 --> 01:05:00,320 mental health issues get redirected and 2378 01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:01,880 get the services that they need instead 2379 01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:04,120 of convicted of crimes. 2380 01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:06,320 I also just recently served in an 2381 01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:08,480 expungement clinic this past Friday. I'm 2382 01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:09,920 sure you've probably been hearing about 2383 01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,400 those. Those are where people who have 2384 01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,680 had long-standing older convictions, 2385 01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:16,680 maybe 20 years or so, or maybe more 2386 01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:19,120 recent within the past 10 10 years or 2387 01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:21,680 more. Um they can have some certain 2388 01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:23,360 convictions that are set aside, and they 2389 01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:25,280 do these clinics where the state police 2390 01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,160 have run their fingerprints, their uh 2391 01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:28,320 convictions have been approved, and then 2392 01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:30,240 attorneys volunteer their time to help 2393 01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:31,800 them get the paperwork done so that they 2394 01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:33,800 can get back into the workforce and 2395 01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:35,320 start hopefully being more productive 2396 01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:36,960 members. 2397 01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:37,960 Not to assume that they aren't 2398 01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:40,000 productive, but you know what I mean. 2399 01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:43,040 Uh and then I myself also helped set up 2400 01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:44,360 the court-appointed special advocate 2401 01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:46,520 program here in Allegan, if any of you 2402 01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:48,400 know what that is. It helps uh children 2403 01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:49,400 who are impaired with adult mental 2404 01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,000 illnesses and public offenses. So, those 2405 01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:52,880 are some things that I've already done. 2406 01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,840 Um and just a little bit about who I am 2407 01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:59,600 and what I think is important in um 2408 01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:01,520 outside of just advocating for people as 2409 01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:03,360 an attorney. As a judge, I don't think 2410 01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:04,840 that I should uh legislate from the 2411 01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:06,760 bench. I know everybody says that. I 2412 01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:08,400 think compassion is important, but 2413 01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:10,680 knowing the rules and the law are also 2414 01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:12,000 important. And that's really the only 2415 01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:14,040 job that a judge has is to know the 2416 01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:15,360 rules and the law and make sure it's 2417 01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:16,400 applied fairly. 2418 01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:17,840 So, that's a little bit about me. If you 2419 01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:19,040 want to know more, you can look me up on 2420 01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:20,880 Facebook, or I have a webpage. Thank 2421 01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:21,840 you. 2422 01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:27,710 >> Thank you very much. 2423 01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:32,830 Anyone else? 2424 01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:36,350 Last call, Randy's phone. 2425 01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:38,166 » In the flesh. 2426 01:06:38,166 --> 01:06:38,750 >> [laughter] 2427 01:06:38,750 --> 01:06:38,760 » [laughter] 2428 01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:40,270 >> Neil's not here. 2429 01:06:40,270 --> 01:06:40,280 » Neil's not here. 2430 01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:42,070 >> Hi, Kyle. 2431 01:06:42,070 --> 01:06:42,080 » Hi, Kyle. 2432 01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:43,710 >> That's me. 2433 01:06:43,710 --> 01:06:43,720 » That's me. 2434 01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:44,670 >> Who's next in line? 2435 01:06:44,670 --> 01:06:44,680 » Who's next in line? 2436 01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:46,430 >> Randy's grandma turned more minutes than 2437 01:06:46,430 --> 01:06:46,440 » Randy's grandma turned more minutes than 2438 01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:51,870 some of them. 2439 01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:53,520 » Okay. Um 2440 01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:57,200 and we are now on to council comments. 2441 01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,160 Mr. Balmer, let's start with you. 2442 01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:00,550 >> Um 2443 01:07:00,550 --> 01:07:00,560 » Um 2444 01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:02,080 you know, I have none. Thank you. 2445 01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:02,910 >> Okay. 2446 01:07:02,910 --> 01:07:02,920 » Okay. 2447 01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:04,430 >> Oh, got you. 2448 01:07:04,430 --> 01:07:04,440 » Oh, got you. 2449 01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:06,150 >> Also good. 2450 01:07:06,150 --> 01:07:06,160 » Also good. 2451 01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,670 >> I'll make up for the rest of you. 2452 01:07:08,670 --> 01:07:08,680 » I'll make up for the rest of you. 2453 01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:09,520 Uh 2454 01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:10,906 >> I have none. 2455 01:07:10,906 --> 01:07:10,916 » I have none. 2456 01:07:10,916 --> 01:07:11,310 >> [laughter] 2457 01:07:11,310 --> 01:07:11,320 » [laughter] 2458 01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:13,390 >> And that whole fraud alert thing is very 2459 01:07:13,390 --> 01:07:13,400 » And that whole fraud alert thing is very 2460 01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:15,520 interesting. I saw in the chief's report 2461 01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:17,600 that we've had some like we had a house, 2462 01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:18,880 I think over by the lake shore that had 2463 01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:22,280 a for sale sign on it that was not 2464 01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:24,880 actually for sale. And then my best 2465 01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:27,000 friend who bought property here during 2466 01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:28,320 COVID 2467 01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,160 got a call from 2468 01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:32,400 David from uh 2469 01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,080 Des Lomansky. 2470 01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:37,200 David Somebody was calling him and 2471 01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:39,320 wanting to sell the property that my 2472 01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:41,320 best friend owns and he something just 2473 01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:43,520 told David that the numbers didn't match 2474 01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:46,120 and it was weird. And 2475 01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:49,760 he called Brian and and turns out yes, 2476 01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:51,800 somebody was trying to sell his property 2477 01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:53,080 from underneath him and there's really 2478 01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:54,680 nothing you can do about it cuz they 2479 01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:56,720 don't know who the other person is. So, 2480 01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,800 if I signed up for this one um 2481 01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:01,680 Bob came last year. 2482 01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:04,440 So, I highly recommend it. 2483 01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:05,400 As a 2484 01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:07,840 additional safety measure. 2485 01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:10,720 Uh second, the Thin Blue Line ride was 2486 01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:13,240 last Monday. 2487 01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:16,560 Thank you to Matt and EPC for a 2488 01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:18,680 wonderful 2489 01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:21,480 lunch for everybody. I want to find a 2490 01:08:21,480 --> 01:08:23,240 way to get more I know it's the middle 2491 01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:26,279 it's morning of of a Monday. So, 2492 01:08:26,279 --> 01:08:28,720 um in this 55 and older community we can 2493 01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:31,200 have more presence out there, I think, 2494 01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:32,720 but thanks to 2495 01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:35,640 uh Mayor North coming and it was 2496 01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:38,120 wonderful and Wendy did a wonderful 2497 01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:40,440 write up in the Commercial Record for it 2498 01:08:40,440 --> 01:08:44,560 the event. So, thank you and um 2499 01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,640 the chief uh 2500 01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:52,120 gave a very moving tribute to Ashley 2501 01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:55,440 Janek and it was um I think it really 2502 01:08:55,440 --> 01:08:58,680 resonated with many of the riders who 2503 01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:00,759 recalled Ashley being at the event the 2504 01:09:00,759 --> 01:09:03,920 previous year and and years before. 2505 01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:05,440 Uh so uh 2506 01:09:05,440 --> 01:09:08,120 it was just a it was a very very 2507 01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:10,359 uh moving it always is but a very moving 2508 01:09:10,359 --> 01:09:13,080 event. So, thanks 2509 01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:14,200 for 2510 01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:15,200 uh 2511 01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:16,520 cheap and 2512 01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:18,960 Matt and everybody that did come down 2513 01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:20,080 for it. 2514 01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:22,359 Um and then and a 2515 01:09:22,359 --> 01:09:23,799 completely separate note and then I'm 2516 01:09:23,799 --> 01:09:25,359 finished. 2517 01:09:25,359 --> 01:09:26,600 Um 2518 01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:27,349 >> I think 2519 01:09:27,349 --> 01:09:27,359 » I think 2520 01:09:27,359 --> 01:09:29,440 we're supposed to have flat cameras on 2521 01:09:29,440 --> 01:09:30,880 the agenda for tonight. 2522 01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:32,590 >> No, we delayed I in the re-parting we 2523 01:09:32,590 --> 01:09:32,600 » No, we delayed I in the re-parting we 2524 01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:33,799 delayed it until December. 2525 01:09:33,799 --> 01:09:35,789 >> Oh. Okay, December. 2526 01:09:35,789 --> 01:09:35,799 » Oh. Okay, December. 2527 01:09:35,799 --> 01:09:36,560 Okay. 2528 01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:39,630 >> Why so late? 2529 01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:41,440 » Just think it's probably best with 2530 01:09:41,440 --> 01:09:43,560 everything going on that we 2531 01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:45,759 take a look at everything going on and 2532 01:09:45,759 --> 01:09:48,080 then maybe we consider it in the winter. 2533 01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:49,670 >> Okay. So, they have we have Have we 2534 01:09:49,670 --> 01:09:49,680 » Okay. So, they have we have Have we 2535 01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:52,839 purchased them yet? Okay. Just given all 2536 01:09:52,839 --> 01:09:54,080 of the 2537 01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:54,960 um 2538 01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:56,880 that like you said, I just was hoping 2539 01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:58,480 there would be a conversation. I'll come 2540 01:09:58,480 --> 01:10:00,000 back and visit the meeting when we 2541 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:00,320 discuss 2542 01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:01,790 >> I put it in the last one too that we're 2543 01:10:01,790 --> 01:10:01,800 » I put it in the last one too that we're 2544 01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:03,560 switching to later on. 2545 01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:05,270 >> Did you say we have not purchased them 2546 01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:05,280 » Did you say we have not purchased them 2547 01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:05,720 yet? No. 2548 01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:08,950 >> We have not. I've written a policy. 2549 01:10:08,950 --> 01:10:08,960 » We have not. I've written a policy. 2550 01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:09,550 >> We're still working on 2551 01:10:09,550 --> 01:10:09,560 » We're still working on 2552 01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:11,990 >> Still not plagiarizing policy and 2553 01:10:11,990 --> 01:10:12,000 » Still not plagiarizing policy and 2554 01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:12,880 and it 2555 01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:14,640 fit for our department. 2556 01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:16,320 But I'll I'll get that out to you at 2557 01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:17,360 some point but 2558 01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:18,870 >> So, we'll be able to see that before we 2559 01:10:18,870 --> 01:10:18,880 » So, we'll be able to see that before we 2560 01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:19,520 actually 2561 01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:20,470 >> Oh, absolutely. 2562 01:10:20,470 --> 01:10:20,480 » Oh, absolutely. 2563 01:10:20,480 --> 01:10:20,990 >> Well ahead of 2564 01:10:20,990 --> 01:10:21,000 » Well ahead of 2565 01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:22,070 >> Absolutely. 2566 01:10:22,070 --> 01:10:22,080 » Absolutely. 2567 01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:22,870 >> Well ahead of time. 2568 01:10:22,870 --> 01:10:22,880 » Well ahead of time. 2569 01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:27,630 >> Yeah, I 2570 01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:28,680 » And that was it. Thank you. 2571 01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:30,030 >> That was it. 2572 01:10:30,030 --> 01:10:30,040 » That was it. 2573 01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:32,310 >> Um well, I'll just echo some of Randy's 2574 01:10:32,310 --> 01:10:32,320 » Um well, I'll just echo some of Randy's 2575 01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:34,560 comments about the thin blue ride. I 2576 01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:35,480 mean, 2577 01:10:35,480 --> 01:10:38,160 every rider was so appreciative to Matt 2578 01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:40,840 and and CPC and Lexipol Petaluma team 2579 01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:43,560 for the beautiful lunch that they put 2580 01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:45,360 together and 2581 01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:48,040 it was really a nice showcase for 2582 01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:50,280 Douglas. Um 2583 01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:52,200 So, thank you very much for doing that. 2584 01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:54,430 >> I'd like to see it bigger, too. 2585 01:10:54,430 --> 01:10:54,440 » I'd like to see it bigger, too. 2586 01:10:54,440 --> 01:10:56,160 Find a way to do something in the park 2587 01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:56,760 but 2588 01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:58,160 to make an event. 2589 01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:00,110 >> Next year's our five year five years of 2590 01:11:00,110 --> 01:11:00,120 » Next year's our five year five years of 2591 01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:01,560 us doing it, so 2592 01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:02,830 >> Maybe we make it an event for this fifth 2593 01:11:02,830 --> 01:11:02,840 » Maybe we make it an event for this fifth 2594 01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:04,120 year. 2595 01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:04,720 I don't know. 2596 01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:05,750 >> What's their time line? 2597 01:11:05,750 --> 01:11:05,760 » What's their time line? 2598 01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:07,270 >> Yeah, we have to do it quickly. Keep 2599 01:11:07,270 --> 01:11:07,280 » Yeah, we have to do it quickly. Keep 2600 01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:07,560 moving. 2601 01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:09,470 >> They do it is a quickly moving thing, 2602 01:11:09,470 --> 01:11:09,480 » They do it is a quickly moving thing, 2603 01:11:09,480 --> 01:11:10,480 but it doesn't have to be for the 2604 01:11:10,480 --> 01:11:12,120 community, you know. 2605 01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:13,390 >> That's right. 2606 01:11:13,390 --> 01:11:13,400 » That's right. 2607 01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:15,990 >> I think we if we try and I know that you 2608 01:11:15,990 --> 01:11:16,000 » I think we if we try and I know that you 2609 01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,480 advertise a little bit, but 2610 01:11:18,480 --> 01:11:19,840 maybe 2611 01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:22,030 >> something for them to do all of it like 2612 01:11:22,030 --> 01:11:22,040 » something for them to do all of it like 2613 01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:24,040 cheer, but also I don't know. 2614 01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:25,760 We can talk about things, but be nice to 2615 01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:26,520 see more people. 2616 01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:29,070 >> Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. 2617 01:11:29,070 --> 01:11:29,080 » Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. 2618 01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:30,240 Um 2619 01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:32,200 and then Greg, I want to commend you. I 2620 01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:33,600 know the work that you've done with the 2621 01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:36,080 Cal Lake, you know, that huge 2622 01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:38,920 improvement. Very much more professional 2623 01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:40,320 and 2624 01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:41,280 um 2625 01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:42,440 you know, I think it's what our 2626 01:11:42,440 --> 01:11:46,040 community deserves is that's upgrade to 2627 01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:48,680 transparency and 2628 01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:49,150 >> Thank you. 2629 01:11:49,150 --> 01:11:49,160 » Thank you. 2630 01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:51,630 >> billing and everything else. And I know 2631 01:11:51,630 --> 01:11:51,640 » billing and everything else. And I know 2632 01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:53,600 it's been a pretty long road, so 2633 01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:55,030 >> Thank you. I appreciate that. There's We 2634 01:11:55,030 --> 01:11:55,040 » Thank you. I appreciate that. There's We 2635 01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:56,720 have a lot more to do, but we're 2636 01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:58,120 certainly moving in the right direction. 2637 01:11:58,120 --> 01:11:59,360 So, thank you. I appreciate that very 2638 01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:00,600 much. 2639 01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:02,990 >> And then my last comment, um 2640 01:12:02,990 --> 01:12:03,000 » And then my last comment, um 2641 01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:04,760 Commissioner or 2642 01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:06,040 Councilman 2643 01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:07,720 Seeber isn't here tonight because he's 2644 01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:09,320 back in the ER. 2645 01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:09,830 >> Oh. 2646 01:12:09,830 --> 01:12:09,840 » Oh. 2647 01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:11,390 >> And so, if everybody could, you know, 2648 01:12:11,390 --> 01:12:11,400 » And so, if everybody could, you know, 2649 01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:12,880 hold him in your hearts a little bit 2650 01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:16,390 tonight. 2651 01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:17,800 » Yeah. 2652 01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:19,870 >> So, with that note, I'll take them 2653 01:12:19,870 --> 01:12:19,880 » So, with that note, I'll take them 2654 01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:21,520 motion to adjourn. 2655 01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:22,950 >> Move to adjourn. 2656 01:12:22,950 --> 01:12:22,960 » Move to adjourn. 2657 01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:24,430 >> Second. 2658 01:12:24,430 --> 01:12:24,440 » Second. 2659 01:12:24,440 --> 01:12:25,070 >> We have a quorum. 2660 01:12:25,070 --> 01:12:25,080 » We have a quorum. 2661 01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:26,350 >> Good job. 2662 01:12:26,350 --> 01:12:26,360 » Good job. 2663 01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:29,600 >> You can bring your chair in.