1 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:18,550 Hey, 2 00:02:18,560 --> 00:08:12,390 hey, hey. 3 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:18,629 Hey, 4 00:08:18,639 --> 00:08:21,520 hey, 5 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,319 hey. 6 00:08:24,319 --> 00:11:43,829 Heat. 7 00:11:43,839 --> 00:11:45,600 Hey, 8 00:11:45,600 --> 00:13:30,310 hey, hey. 9 00:13:30,320 --> 00:15:39,430 Heat. Heat. 10 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:55,670 Yeah, 11 00:15:55,680 --> 00:16:01,110 I 12 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:16,870 feel 13 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:56,629 Heat. Heat. 14 00:16:56,639 --> 00:16:58,320 Uh, good evening. At this time, I'd like 15 00:16:58,320 --> 00:16:59,920 to call to order the Planning Commission 16 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:02,240 meeting of January 12th, 2026. For 17 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:03,759 viewers watching at home, some members 18 00:17:03,759 --> 00:17:05,520 of the public may be participating via 19 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,520 video conference or teleconference. 20 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,039 Please stand and join me in the pledge 21 00:17:09,039 --> 00:17:09,120 of 22 00:17:09,120 --> 00:17:14,390 >> allegiance 23 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:20,630 to the flag 24 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:28,630 nation. 25 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,679 » Will the secretary please call the role? 26 00:17:31,679 --> 00:17:33,190 >> Commissioner bus 27 00:17:33,190 --> 00:17:33,200 » Commissioner bus 28 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:33,909 >> present. 29 00:17:33,909 --> 00:17:33,919 » present. 30 00:17:33,919 --> 00:17:35,350 >> Commissioner Lansen is absent. 31 00:17:35,350 --> 00:17:35,360 » Commissioner Lansen is absent. 32 00:17:35,360 --> 00:17:36,640 Commissioner McMahon 33 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:37,590 >> here, 34 00:17:37,590 --> 00:17:37,600 » here, 35 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:38,789 >> Vice Chair Kettlehut 36 00:17:38,789 --> 00:17:38,799 » Vice Chair Kettlehut 37 00:17:38,799 --> 00:17:39,350 >> here, 38 00:17:39,350 --> 00:17:39,360 » here, 39 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:40,390 >> Chair Ferris 40 00:17:40,390 --> 00:17:40,400 » Chair Ferris 41 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,430 >> here. Uh, tonight we have with us Deputy 42 00:17:43,430 --> 00:17:43,440 » here. Uh, tonight we have with us Deputy 43 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,679 Community Development Director Fabola Za 44 00:17:45,679 --> 00:17:47,600 Meliker. Are there any written comments, 45 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:49,440 announcements, or continuences at this 46 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,440 time? 47 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,160 Yes, we had a supplemental packet that 48 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,080 has been distributed to the commission 49 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,799 and posted um containing information 50 00:17:58,799 --> 00:18:04,960 related to item number 78, the 400143 51 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:37,430 Hillrest development agreement. 52 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,559 I did not. Do you want us to bring some 53 00:18:40,559 --> 00:18:43,200 go make some? I have an extra. Does 54 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:47,669 somebody need 55 00:18:47,679 --> 00:18:56,789 two extras? 56 00:18:56,799 --> 00:19:16,470 Extras. 57 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,520 Okay, thank you. Pardon the uh the 58 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:21,919 pause. Uh now's the time for public 59 00:19:21,919 --> 00:19:24,000 comments. At this time, any person may 60 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:25,600 address the commission regarding a city 61 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:27,120 planning matter that is not on the 62 00:19:27,120 --> 00:19:29,120 evening's agenda. Should the commission 63 00:19:29,120 --> 00:19:30,720 wish to discuss an issue raised by a 64 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,000 member of the public, the issue will be 65 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:33,840 referred to staff for scheduling a 66 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,240 future on a future agenda. Anyone who 67 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:37,360 would like to speak under public 68 00:19:37,360 --> 00:19:39,200 comments must fill out a speaker card in 69 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,440 chambers or click request to speak on 70 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,280 the agenda to receive instructions 71 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:44,720 before the public comments portion of 72 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:46,720 the agenda is called. Speaker remarks 73 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,000 shall be addressed to the commission as 74 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,840 a whole, not to any individual 75 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,760 commissioner or staff member, unless 76 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:53,200 otherwise provided by the commission. 77 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:54,720 Speakers are limited to five minutes. 78 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,039 The screen will show you the remaining 79 00:19:57,039 --> 00:19:59,039 time you have. Uh, do we have any public 80 00:19:59,039 --> 00:19:59,679 comments? 81 00:19:59,679 --> 00:20:00,230 >> No. 82 00:20:00,230 --> 00:20:00,240 » No. 83 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,230 >> No. All right. Let's go to the consent 84 00:20:02,230 --> 00:20:02,240 » No. All right. Let's go to the consent 85 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:03,679 calendar. Next, we have the consent 86 00:20:03,679 --> 00:20:05,120 calendar for the minutes of November 87 00:20:05,120 --> 00:20:07,760 17th, 2026 planning commission meeting. 88 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:09,520 Uh, do we have any fellow commissioners 89 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:10,960 have any comments or a motion to approve 90 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,320 the consent calendar? 91 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,480 I'll make the motion to approve. 92 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,909 >> Excellent. Uh, any comments? 93 00:20:19,909 --> 00:20:19,919 » Excellent. Uh, any comments? 94 00:20:19,919 --> 00:20:22,480 If not, uh, can we prepare for a vote? 95 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,390 >> Commissioner Bus, 96 00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:24,400 » Commissioner Bus, 97 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:24,870 >> yes. 98 00:20:24,870 --> 00:20:24,880 » yes. 99 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:26,470 >> Commissioner Tyler Kettle Hut, 100 00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:26,480 » Commissioner Tyler Kettle Hut, 101 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:27,110 >> yes. 102 00:20:27,110 --> 00:20:27,120 » yes. 103 00:20:27,120 --> 00:20:28,310 >> Commissioner McMahon, 104 00:20:28,310 --> 00:20:28,320 » Commissioner McMahon, 105 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:28,789 >> yes. 106 00:20:28,789 --> 00:20:28,799 » yes. 107 00:20:28,799 --> 00:20:29,669 >> Chair Ferris, 108 00:20:29,669 --> 00:20:29,679 » Chair Ferris, 109 00:20:29,679 --> 00:20:31,669 >> uh, abstain as I was not at the at the 110 00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:31,679 » uh, abstain as I was not at the at the 111 00:20:31,679 --> 00:20:33,120 meeting of interest. 112 00:20:33,120 --> 00:20:36,390 >> Motion carries 30 uh 31 with 113 00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:36,400 » Motion carries 30 uh 31 with 114 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,960 Commissioner I'm sorry, Chair Ferris 115 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:39,840 abstaining. 116 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:41,830 >> Abstain. Yes. Excellent. All right. 117 00:20:41,830 --> 00:20:41,840 » Abstain. Yes. Excellent. All right. 118 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,080 Thank you. Uh now we'll open the hearing 119 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,159 case 7A. Will the clerk please open the 120 00:20:46,159 --> 00:20:48,480 public hearing? 121 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:49,830 >> Hearing having been advertised as 122 00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:49,840 » Hearing having been advertised as 123 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,280 required by law is hereby open to 124 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,080 consider agenda item 7A to consider a 125 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:55,840 finding that the proposed disposition of 126 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,080 city-owned property to the KJO 127 00:20:58,080 --> 00:20:59,840 Recreation and Park District of the 128 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:07,120 following parcels. APN's 525- 0- 053-115 129 00:21:07,120 --> 00:21:10,880 525- 0- 0 130 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:12,960 53-175 131 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:19,120 525- 0- 053-195 132 00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:20,640 060- 133 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:27,590 085 525- Z-60- 134 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,720 095 525- 135 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,960 060-115 136 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:34,559 525- 137 00:21:34,559 --> 00:21:36,960 0- 060-125 138 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,720 and 525- 139 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,760 0- 060-1 through5 is consistent with the 140 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,640 Thousand Oaks 2045 general plan pursuant 141 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,520 to government code section 65402 142 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,120 and to consider a recommendation to 143 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:50,960 council for adoption of an ordinance 144 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,880 approving development agreement 145 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,549 DHGR-2025-7004 146 00:21:56,559 --> 00:21:58,720 establishing the city's agreement not to 147 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,320 change the existing zoning and general 148 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:01,760 land designations of the property 149 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,000 without the owner's consent for 30 years 150 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,679 from the date of execution and find that 151 00:22:05,679 --> 00:22:07,360 the project's categorically exempt from 152 00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:09,840 the California Environmental Quality Act 153 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,960 pursuant to sections 15061B3 154 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,760 common sense exemption 15312 surplus 155 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,120 government property sales and 15325 156 00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:22,640 transfers of ownership of interest of 157 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,679 land located at 40143 158 00:22:25,679 --> 00:22:27,919 West Hill Press Drive assessor's parcels 159 00:22:27,919 --> 00:22:30,400 numbers as previously stated The 160 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:34,000 applicant is the city of Thousand Oaks. 161 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,390 >> Excellent. Thank you very much. Uh, 162 00:22:36,390 --> 00:22:36,400 » Excellent. Thank you very much. Uh, 163 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,159 presenting on behalf of staff, senior 164 00:22:38,159 --> 00:22:41,039 planner, Justine Kendall. 165 00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:43,669 >> Good evening, Chair Ferris, uh, planning 166 00:22:43,669 --> 00:22:43,679 » Good evening, Chair Ferris, uh, planning 167 00:22:43,679 --> 00:22:44,960 commissioners, and members of the 168 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:46,799 public. 169 00:22:46,799 --> 00:22:48,960 Uh, tonight we are here to, uh, present 170 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,880 a request from the city related to the 171 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,200 sale of land to the KJO Recreation and 172 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,360 Parks District. I am joined by city 173 00:22:55,360 --> 00:22:56,640 staff from the community development 174 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,240 department, city attorney's office, and 175 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,320 city manager's office who are available 176 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:01,919 to answer any questions the commission 177 00:23:01,919 --> 00:23:05,270 may have. 178 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,240 Uh, as Lori just uh read, the request 179 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,159 before you this evening is I'll 180 00:23:10,159 --> 00:23:12,240 summarize uh to find that the project is 181 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,120 categorically exempt from SQA uh to find 182 00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:17,039 that the proposed disposition of the 183 00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:19,600 city-owned property within specific plan 184 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,559 17 to uh the KJO Recreation and Park 185 00:23:22,559 --> 00:23:25,360 District or CRPD uh is consistent with 186 00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:28,240 the Thousand Oaks 2045 general plan and 187 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,400 to recommend that the city council adopt 188 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,480 an ordinance approving uh the 189 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:36,710 development agreement. 190 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,880 Provided on your screen is a vicinity 191 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,280 map of the area, the specific plan 17 192 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,679 area and the subject properties um 193 00:23:43,679 --> 00:23:45,760 depicting the subject site generally 194 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:51,750 with a red asterisk. 195 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,440 The map shown now on your screen 196 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,360 provides a closer aerial view of the 197 00:23:55,360 --> 00:23:57,520 area with the subject properties 198 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,480 depicted within the red lines. Uh the 199 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,400 subject properties are again zoned 200 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,840 specific plan 17 with a portion of uh 201 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,559 one of the properties noted it with a 202 00:24:08,559 --> 00:24:10,880 purple star also zoned with the mixeduse 203 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,520 overlay zone. Uh those are existing 204 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:18,710 zoning designations to be clear. 205 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,480 All properties uh subject to the 206 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,720 potential sale and development agreement 207 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,120 uh are more commonly referred to as 401 208 00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:27,679 and 403 West Hillrest Drive are 209 00:24:27,679 --> 00:24:29,919 designated as being within that specific 210 00:24:29,919 --> 00:24:32,880 plan number 17 uh which was adopted in 211 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,400 1997. 212 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,200 Approximately half of the SP7 area has 213 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,039 undergone site improvements primarily 214 00:24:39,039 --> 00:24:41,679 within a 35 acre section of the site 215 00:24:41,679 --> 00:24:43,440 that includes development currently 216 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,480 occupied by CRPD for its headquarters. 217 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,240 uh and the Hillcrest Center for the 218 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,200 Arts. The other 27 of the acres of the 219 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,080 site consist of uh a hill within the 220 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,320 northerly and easterly portions of the 221 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,279 specific plan area uh just shown which 222 00:24:59,279 --> 00:25:01,520 is more commonly known as fireworks 223 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,679 hill. 224 00:25:03,679 --> 00:25:05,840 The land use designations that you see 225 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,840 on your screen here. Again, just being 226 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:12,640 clear, uh are the existing designations. 227 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,600 Um during the negotiation for the sale 228 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,600 of the subject properties, CRPD 229 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,760 requested that the existing zoning 230 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,320 regulations and land use designations 231 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,880 just described uh be preserved in their 232 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,960 current state. Um, as such, development 233 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:34,310 agreement uh 2045 20257004 234 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,640 is proposed to create a binding contract 235 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,120 that the city will maintain uh those 236 00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:40,880 existing general plan land use 237 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,159 designations and zoning designations as 238 00:25:44,159 --> 00:25:46,559 currently adopted and just described for 239 00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:49,440 30 years. Should any changes to the land 240 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,679 use or zoning designations be proposed 241 00:25:51,679 --> 00:25:54,480 the um by the property owner or with the 242 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,480 consent of the property owner, the city 243 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,480 would consider the proposed project in 244 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,720 accordance with the procedures required 245 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,559 by state law and the Thousand Oaks 246 00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:05,360 Municipal Code. No physical development 247 00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:08,000 or change of use is proposed as part of 248 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,039 the subject request. There is no 249 00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:13,120 physical changes again proposed as part 250 00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:17,110 of tonight's request. 251 00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:20,559 Government code section 65402 252 00:26:20,559 --> 00:26:22,320 requires that any real property 253 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,559 disposition be reviewed by the planning 254 00:26:24,559 --> 00:26:27,360 commission to confirm that the location 255 00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:29,520 purpose and extent of the property 256 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,039 disposition is consistent with the 257 00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:33,760 general plan. Staff has compared this 258 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,080 proposal to transfer property with the 259 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,679 overarching general plan goals and 260 00:26:37,679 --> 00:26:40,000 policies and in this case uh more 261 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,919 specifically the governance land use 262 00:26:41,919 --> 00:26:43,679 chapter and the parks and open space 263 00:26:43,679 --> 00:26:47,600 chapters. Uh on this slide are a list of 264 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,120 uh abbreviated description of the 265 00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:51,440 general plan 2045 goals and policies 266 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,120 that demonstrate conformance with the 267 00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:55,520 proposed disposition and transfer of the 268 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,520 subject properties. The full text of 269 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,600 these goals and policies can be seen in 270 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,600 tonight's staff report or in the 271 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,240 Thousand Oaks General Plan 2045 272 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,960 accessible at the city website 273 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:16,310 to os045.org. 274 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,640 And so, uh, staff recommendation tonight 275 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,799 is to again find that the project is 276 00:27:20,799 --> 00:27:24,000 categorically exempt from SQA, uh, to 277 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,320 find that the proposed disposition of 278 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,240 city-owned property to CRPD um, of the 279 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,080 subject properties within specific plan 280 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,440 17 is consistent with the general plan 281 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,240 and to recommend that the city council 282 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,400 um, adopt an ordinance an ordinance 283 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,149 approving the development agreement. 284 00:27:44,159 --> 00:27:46,000 Just want to note for the record as well 285 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,880 that the resolution um to be provided 286 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,039 for signature will include the image 287 00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:54,000 shown here as uh the exhibit A mentioned 288 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:59,990 on page one of that document. 289 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,760 That concludes our presentation. Staff 290 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,120 is available for any questions. 291 00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:07,909 >> Okay. Uh thank you. Uh first question I 292 00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:07,919 » Okay. Uh thank you. Uh first question I 293 00:28:07,919 --> 00:28:09,360 would have is there any exparte 294 00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:12,080 communications to disclose? 295 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,240 No. Um, are there any questions or 296 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,950 comments of staff from commissioners? 297 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,240 » Commissioner McMahon? 298 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,310 >> Yes. I I understand that this is 299 00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:22,320 » Yes. I I understand that this is 300 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,080 actually a purchase from CRPD and I was 301 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,080 uh curious about the amount that they 302 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:33,909 are paying for the land. 303 00:28:33,919 --> 00:28:35,760 » Thank you, Commissioner. Uh, the total 304 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,480 amount of sales is 30.4 million. 305 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,630 >> Okay. And it's also my understanding 306 00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:40,640 » Okay. And it's also my understanding 307 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,840 that that is going to be put in a pot 308 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,399 for the new downtown plans. Is that 309 00:28:46,399 --> 00:28:46,799 correct? 310 00:28:46,799 --> 00:28:48,070 >> That'll be set aside in reserve 311 00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:48,080 » That'll be set aside in reserve 312 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,320 earmarked for the downtown. Correct. 313 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,190 >> Okay. Thank you. 314 00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:53,200 » Okay. Thank you. 315 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,909 >> Any comments from other commissioners? 316 00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:55,919 » Any comments from other commissioners? 317 00:28:55,919 --> 00:28:58,000 Vice Chair Tyler Kettle Hut. 318 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,950 >> I have a question. Can you explain to me 319 00:29:00,950 --> 00:29:00,960 » I have a question. Can you explain to me 320 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,200 exempt surplus land? As I was going 321 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:04,480 through the packet, I didn't really 322 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:05,679 understand. And I know that it was 323 00:29:05,679 --> 00:29:07,600 designated as that, but I want to 324 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,320 understand how that process took place. 325 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,559 I know city council approved it. 326 00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:16,950 >> Thank you, commissioner. Uh, assistant 327 00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:16,960 » Thank you, commissioner. Uh, assistant 328 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,600 city attorney can handle that as well. 329 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,029 >> Sure. So, under state law, before a city 330 00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:23,039 » Sure. So, under state law, before a city 331 00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:26,960 can dispose of property, um, it needs to 332 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,240 offer up the property to other agencies 333 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,440 and affordable housing providers. um 334 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,600 unless there are certain exceptions that 335 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,000 apply. And for purposes of the 336 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,919 discussion this evening, there's an 337 00:29:39,919 --> 00:29:42,880 exemption for uh agency to agency 338 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:47,520 transfers. Um so because it's exempt as 339 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,480 an agencyto agency transfer, uh you 340 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,480 don't need to go through the pretty 341 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,799 extensive process of making the property 342 00:29:54,799 --> 00:29:56,559 available to other agencies and 343 00:29:56,559 --> 00:29:58,799 affordable housing providers. 344 00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:00,549 >> Okay. So it's basically a it's a 345 00:30:00,549 --> 00:30:00,559 » Okay. So it's basically a it's a 346 00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:02,559 disposition thing. 347 00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:04,799 Correct. It's a box that the city needs 348 00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:07,279 to check before it can it can dispose of 349 00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:08,080 property. Yes. 350 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,630 >> Okay. And is that is that does that 351 00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:10,640 » Okay. And is that is that does that 352 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,799 negate a SQA challenge? Is I know it was 353 00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:15,520 listed as one of the three categories 354 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,000 for for negate basically saying that it 355 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,159 was not considered a SQA project but 356 00:30:20,159 --> 00:30:22,080 does it automatically negate the the 357 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,480 exempt surplus automatically ne negate 358 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,360 the squa challenge? So they're they're 359 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,760 separate things, but you will note that 360 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:34,080 one of the SQUA exemptions is for a 361 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:35,840 transfer of surplus property, 362 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:36,230 >> right? 363 00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:36,240 » right? 364 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,750 >> So that's a little different than the 365 00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:37,760 » So that's a little different than the 366 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,720 surplus lands act, but that that is a a 367 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,960 basis for a SQA exemption, a categorical 368 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:43,600 exemption. 369 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,830 >> Okay. Okay. 370 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,080 » Any other questions? Yep. Please go 371 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,440 ahead. 372 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,679 So kind of in that same vein in terms of 373 00:30:53,679 --> 00:30:55,279 dealing kind of with with sequest stuff, 374 00:30:55,279 --> 00:30:57,600 I want to know were what if any 375 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,559 preservation alter alternatives or 376 00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:02,480 preservation measures like a 377 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,399 preservation easement have been 378 00:31:04,399 --> 00:31:05,840 considered due to the building's 379 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:12,789 landmark status? 380 00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:14,000 » I'm sorry, could you repeat that 381 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,120 question? 382 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,279 Basically, I'm just trying to find out 383 00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:19,440 was anything in in the discussions that 384 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,520 you guys had. Were there any discussions 385 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,120 about because this this has been 386 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,679 landmarked by the city twice? I I guess 387 00:31:25,679 --> 00:31:27,360 the the buildings have been landmarked 388 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,360 as well as some of the the periphery of 389 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,679 trees. I think I think um did any of 390 00:31:33,679 --> 00:31:35,679 that were were any of those measures 391 00:31:35,679 --> 00:31:38,080 considered? Have you considered any kind 392 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,159 of because of the landmark status? And I 393 00:31:40,159 --> 00:31:41,679 realize that there's no development 394 00:31:41,679 --> 00:31:43,600 that's being proposed. I get that. I get 395 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,960 that. But in terms of down the road, I 396 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,640 mean, is there anything that is being 397 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,279 done to preserve, you know, like a 398 00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:52,559 preservation easement or something like 399 00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:53,919 that with respect to the landmark 400 00:31:53,919 --> 00:31:56,000 status? Were any of those things part of 401 00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:02,070 your discussions? 402 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,240 No, there's because there's no 403 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,919 development of any kind uh or changes to 404 00:32:07,919 --> 00:32:09,600 uh the regulatory framework for these 405 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,120 properties of any kind proposed um that 406 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,760 is not part of what we're has been 407 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,039 discussed. Should anything uh related to 408 00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:21,120 changing either the regulatory framework 409 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,760 or the uses allowed or physical 410 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,399 development within this property area be 411 00:32:26,399 --> 00:32:30,480 proposed? um any any impacts to, you 412 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,240 know, landmark status or or anything 413 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,559 else would be reviewed, you know, as 414 00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:40,310 required at that time. 415 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,519 Oh, I was just going to add that that if 416 00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:46,080 there was any discussion about altering 417 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,760 a landmark, there's additional 418 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,519 provisions in the municipal code that 419 00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:52,000 would require an additional certificate 420 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,000 of appropriateness that would be 421 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,279 approved um by the city for any any 422 00:32:57,279 --> 00:33:00,710 changes. 423 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,159 » Any other questions? No. any I did want 424 00:33:04,159 --> 00:33:05,919 to follow up a little bit on the the 425 00:33:05,919 --> 00:33:08,880 aspect of the landmark status. So, and 426 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,720 especially as it relates to what we have 427 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,159 in front of us, which is general plan 428 00:33:12,159 --> 00:33:15,360 consistency finding. Um, so we did talk 429 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,760 about it. Can we confirm that the 41 430 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,559 Hill Crest building is in fact 431 00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:23,360 identified as a city landmark uh by the 432 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:24,960 cultural heritage board is in our 433 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,200 general plan as a city landmark. Is that 434 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,039 correct? 435 00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:29,669 >> Yes. 436 00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:29,679 » Yes. 437 00:33:29,679 --> 00:33:34,470 >> Okay. Um and in our conservation element 438 00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:34,480 » Okay. Um and in our conservation element 439 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:39,120 there's actually a goal and uh policy 440 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,399 uh goal C11 is to protect historical and 441 00:33:42,399 --> 00:33:44,159 cultural culturally significant 442 00:33:44,159 --> 00:33:45,840 resources which contribute to the 443 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,159 community's sense of identity. Policy 444 00:33:48,159 --> 00:33:50,880 11.7 has talked about re resource 445 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,440 stakeholder engagement. Decisions 446 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,679 pertaining to the disposition of 447 00:33:55,679 --> 00:33:57,600 archaeological, paleial, 448 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,159 paleontological, 449 00:34:00,159 --> 00:34:02,720 historical and cultural resources shall 450 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,080 be made in concert with recognized 451 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:05,840 public agencies, groups or individuals 452 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,079 having jurisdiction, expertise or 453 00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:10,480 interest in these matters. And my 454 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,960 question is is that wouldn't it be 455 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,320 especially given that we are asking 456 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,480 about a disposition of historical 457 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,399 resources 458 00:34:18,399 --> 00:34:21,679 should not we fi make a finding that 459 00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:23,760 such disposition is in fact consistent 460 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:31,430 with this policy of the general plan. 461 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,800 » Yeah. So what's being asked of of the 462 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,159 planning commission tonight is is 463 00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:40,720 twofold, right? One is to evaluate 464 00:34:40,720 --> 00:34:42,320 the proposed development agreement and 465 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:43,839 make a recommendation to the city 466 00:34:43,839 --> 00:34:46,159 council on that. The second item, which 467 00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:48,159 I think is what you're getting at, is is 468 00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:50,480 that the planning commission is asked to 469 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,720 make a finding that the project is 470 00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:55,520 consistent with the general plan. Um and 471 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,280 what is in the proposed resolution are 472 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,640 several uh policies and goals of the 473 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,200 general plan to identify that yes this 474 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,839 project is consistent with that. Um I 475 00:35:07,839 --> 00:35:10,640 agree with you that that what you just 476 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,000 mentioned is you know does also make it 477 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,720 consistent with the general plan. Um I 478 00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:18,560 don't believe that it would be that 479 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,839 we're required to include another goal 480 00:35:21,839 --> 00:35:23,760 in there. I mean, I think the proposed 481 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:28,320 resolution has enough in it to establish 482 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,040 that that um that the project is 483 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,880 consistent. I if uh and I understand 484 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,960 that that viewpoint, the one thing I 485 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,640 would want to make sure of is what can 486 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,440 we do at the commission level to ensure 487 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,720 that there is an overt recognition that 488 00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:46,720 there is a city landmark on this 489 00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:48,800 property because when people go back to 490 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,599 these these sort of you know resolutions 491 00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:54,079 and understandings of what was there if 492 00:35:54,079 --> 00:35:56,400 it's not there the people later on don't 493 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,240 know that it's there and I think it's 494 00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:00,160 just critical that we highlight that 495 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,920 especially given that it is designated 496 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,839 ated in our general plan as a city 497 00:36:03,839 --> 00:36:06,720 landmark. My question would be what what 498 00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:09,599 can we do to highlight highlight that as 499 00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:11,280 part of it? If not change the the 500 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,760 findings or resolutions to do that. So, 501 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,440 uh as we're going along and gaining more 502 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,920 testimony, I would like to see what what 503 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,000 is possible. 504 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,359 Okay. Any other questions of the 505 00:36:23,359 --> 00:36:28,160 commission staff? Okay. Great. Let's uh 506 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,119 now we will go to public comments. We 507 00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:34,800 actually do have two public speakers. 508 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,079 Um, each speaker will get five minutes. 509 00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:40,400 Uh, and if you could state your name and 510 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,240 city residence. Uh, first will be Marsha 511 00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:45,839 Boy 512 00:36:45,839 --> 00:36:48,160 followed by William Maple. 513 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:53,270 You could come down. 514 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,359 Uh, generally we need to have you on the 515 00:36:55,359 --> 00:36:58,400 mic so that we're able to have it on the 516 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,430 broadcast. 517 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,920 Is is it possible? Do we have a wireless 518 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,079 mic? Is there something that we could 519 00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:22,790 potentially accommodate? 520 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:23,359 » Right. 521 00:37:23,359 --> 00:37:23,750 >> Hi. 522 00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:23,760 » Hi. 523 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:24,310 >> Thank you. 524 00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:24,320 » Thank you. 525 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,390 >> I'm Marcy Boy. I live over in Oaknull 526 00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:26,400 » I'm Marcy Boy. I live over in Oaknull 527 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:27,839 and I didn't know anything about this 528 00:37:27,839 --> 00:37:29,920 project until we received a letter a 529 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,480 couple weeks ago. Um, so I came here 530 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,240 tonight because I was curious at what 531 00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:36,720 was going on. I'm very impressed with 532 00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:39,119 what I found out. I do have a couple of 533 00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:42,880 questions. One is are my taxes involved? 534 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,200 We're going from 535 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,880 from the recreation which is ours to the 536 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,680 city which is ours. How does that 537 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,200 transfer $30 million? 538 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:56,800 I don't under I just don't understand 539 00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,640 the the is it a bond that you give to 540 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:05,109 each other or what do you do? 541 00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:07,599 » Staff can probably answer that at some 542 00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:12,390 point after the comments. 543 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,160 » No, nobody knows how to handle the 544 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:15,200 money. 545 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,030 >> We'll answer your questions at the end. 546 00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:17,040 » We'll answer your questions at the end. 547 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,470 >> I'm sorry. We'll answer all your 548 00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:18,480 » I'm sorry. We'll answer all your 549 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,160 questions at the after your comments are 550 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:20,800 concluded. 551 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,510 >> Oh, okay. Um, 552 00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:23,520 » Oh, okay. Um, 553 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,680 and it's hard for me to tell what the 554 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,280 pictures are up there. I'm assuming that 555 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,240 they want to buy the open space and 556 00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:34,000 their own property. They're not 557 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,920 interested in all the commercial stuff 558 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,480 that's over there off Wilbur. Okay. 559 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,480 Because that was a confusion. Thank you. 560 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,079 I'm very impressed. Hi. 561 00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:44,790 >> Thank you. 562 00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:44,800 » Thank you. 563 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:54,630 >> Uh, next is William Maple. 564 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,960 William Maple, resident, uh, Newberry 565 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,880 Park. Good evening, planners and 566 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,640 commissioners. 567 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,560 Uh, before you tonight is is does 568 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,720 history matter? 569 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:08,400 And you sure wouldn't think so if you 570 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,320 look at our um city's website. They've 571 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,160 taken down all the list of our 572 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,000 landmarks. You won't find that on there 573 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,240 anymore and you won't hear it in the 574 00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:20,480 appraisal discussion or much that's 575 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,320 coming before you right now. You know, 576 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,560 history doesn't seem to be part of it. 577 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,560 Landmark is rarely mentioned in any of 578 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,280 the documents. It won't specify what 579 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,520 area is a landmark. Um 580 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,760 you also if you wanted to attend a 581 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,960 public cultural heritage board meeting, 582 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,520 one hasn't happened in 20 years. We 583 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,160 don't have public hearings and that 584 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,000 should have happened before tonight 585 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,640 about this building. 586 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,880 Um, 587 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,000 that's kind of a dereliction of duty. 588 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,520 Why am I here? I have an amazing view of 589 00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,079 Fireworks Hill and uh the Civic Arts 590 00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:02,480 Plaza from my front yard. Uh, the old 591 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,160 city hall. I used to mow my lawn and 592 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,680 look at this strange building. Didn't 593 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,680 know what it was. Went over there and 594 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,680 found it abandoned. I mean, there were 595 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,079 trees through the windows, uh, ramps for 596 00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:14,720 skateboarding, burnt, uh, bonfires in 597 00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:16,800 the middle, beer and couches and 598 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,520 everything. I made a, uh, professional 599 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,839 video at the time and, uh, brought it in 600 00:40:21,839 --> 00:40:23,440 and presented it right here on this 601 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,960 board probably 29 years ago. It took two 602 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,359 years to fight to make it a landmark. 603 00:40:29,359 --> 00:40:32,000 And we're fighting city hall to preserve 604 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,640 the first built city hall. not a not a 605 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,880 fun process by any means, but uh the 606 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,839 city uh residents won and they preserved 607 00:40:39,839 --> 00:40:42,880 it. And um it's it's something important 608 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,280 to be able to compare where we were and 609 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,920 what we thought was important to where 610 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,000 we are now and what we're funding and 611 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,000 how we're funding it. So that that 612 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,680 building was a million dollars. It was 613 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,760 paid for right off, you know, as it it 614 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,599 was done. And CRPD paid half of that. So 615 00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:01,839 it's it's a amazing tale that a lot of 616 00:41:01,839 --> 00:41:03,280 people and you don't see it you know 617 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,720 explained on on the building there. Um I 618 00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:09,440 developed museum exhibits within 619 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:10,960 landmark buildings throughout the 620 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,200 country for 40 plus years working 621 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,040 through National Park Service Bureau of 622 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,920 Land Management. Lots and lots of laws 623 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,319 and regulations of what I can do where 624 00:41:20,319 --> 00:41:22,800 and how in these buildings. So I have a 625 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,160 sense of what what you should be doing. 626 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,400 And I've also served on the cultural 627 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,480 heritage board for the county where they 628 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,079 really take their meetings serious. They 629 00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:34,800 they they know their staff, you know, 630 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,880 they they they love their community and 631 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,760 they fight to preserve what separates 632 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,280 them from the strip of 101 that's 633 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,000 generic. You know, it it what what makes 634 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,920 Kane Cano Valley um unique and they're 635 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,240 proactive before something's in jeopardy 636 00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:54,560 and and about to be torn down or or in 637 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,200 neglect. they act they have meetings and 638 00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,280 they they proactively list what what's 639 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,440 important and we go out and research it 640 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,119 using the criteria of the uh squa to 641 00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:09,280 evaluate that. So what are um landmarks? 642 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,599 um it's not just something old 50 years 643 00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:15,200 old is kind of a benchmark but also did 644 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,240 any significant events happen at that 645 00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:21,040 site you know was it a unique structure 646 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,599 uh did any personality or person of the 647 00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:27,040 community uh do something there building 648 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,520 met all of that criteria was a unanimous 649 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,240 yes vote to make it a landmark and um 650 00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:34,400 there are many in the ad hoc committee 651 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,880 they're adver ad adversarial they they 652 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,440 want the money for that site right? You 653 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,599 know, they want to develop this place 654 00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:43,760 with that money. And so, we're repeating 655 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,359 history in in a way. Um, 656 00:42:47,359 --> 00:42:50,079 the landmark has namesake trees on it 657 00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:51,839 and other elements. There there are two 658 00:42:51,839 --> 00:42:54,400 P trees that were dedicated at the time. 659 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,160 One died because the building was 660 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,160 neglected. It was supposed to be, you 661 00:42:58,160 --> 00:42:59,440 know, taken care of while it was 662 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,240 abandoned. And, uh, I would argue that 663 00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:04,720 that was abandoned for demolition by 664 00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:06,880 neglect. you know that you get an 665 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,240 estimate, you find out, wow, it's going 666 00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:10,720 to cost more to fix this building than 667 00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:13,440 to just outright level it and sell it. 668 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,280 And uh thankfully they didn't go that 669 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,839 way. Um 670 00:43:17,839 --> 00:43:20,480 with all that said, I believe the 671 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,920 selling of this landmark to our park and 672 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,160 recck department is an amazing idea. It 673 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,640 takes off so many wonderful bits of 674 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,280 criteria, serves the public. Um, it's 675 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,680 it's a a unique foundational moment 676 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,880 where everyone wins. Um, but I argue 677 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,200 with the price tag, you know, if the 678 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,200 land was donated, and it was by the 679 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,480 Jance family for free, why would you 680 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,319 charge for it? You know, that's that's 681 00:43:46,319 --> 00:43:48,319 if I gave my son, you know, a car I 682 00:43:48,319 --> 00:43:50,800 worked on for 50 years and he he sold 683 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,680 it, you know, it was it was a gift, you 684 00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,920 know, it's just crazy. And that you're 685 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,319 selling it to another community entity 686 00:43:58,319 --> 00:44:01,359 that's serving us. They also donated 687 00:44:01,359 --> 00:44:04,240 half the funds to build it. So I I 688 00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:06,480 really argue that the the 30 million is 689 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,119 way overpriced. And I I would please 690 00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:10,640 consider 691 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,359 having a a cultural heritage board 692 00:44:13,359 --> 00:44:15,920 meeting for the public before any more 693 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,000 decisions are made and charging a lot 694 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,000 less for that property. Thank you. 695 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,150 >> Uh Mr. Maple, actually if you you could 696 00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:22,160 » Uh Mr. Maple, actually if you you could 697 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,240 say I did have some additional questions 698 00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:27,280 for you. So first of all, I'm just going 699 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:28,960 to say you you and I we've talked over 700 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,480 the years. I just want to thank you for 701 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,040 your service in this especially in this 702 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,440 particular area of of really preserving 703 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,200 the history of the city and and how 704 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:38,880 you've been involved in it. So you were 705 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,800 describing kind of the the effort to 706 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,119 preserve 401 Hillrest as a city landmark 707 00:44:43,119 --> 00:44:44,640 and the culture heritage board 708 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,880 resolution described some of the 709 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,680 specific area elements that were 710 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:50,960 important. I'm just going to read them 711 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,960 off. Can you opine maybe a little bit 712 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,200 about what them after I read them off 713 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,440 here? It says that the designation 714 00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,280 historical landmark status shall apply 715 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,200 to the exterior walls, facades, and 716 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,599 architectural style of the existing 717 00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:05,839 civic center buildings. Modification of 718 00:45:05,839 --> 00:45:08,000 the interior of the two buildings are 719 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,520 appropriate as long as the modifications 720 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,599 do not affect the architectural style of 721 00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:13,760 the civic center. And future 722 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,520 modifications in additions to the 723 00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,160 exterior of the civic center buildings 724 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:19,280 are appropriate as long as they're 725 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,200 architecturally compatible, thereby 726 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:22,880 preserving the design integrity of the 727 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,880 original structures. Can you opine as to 728 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,000 why th those particular things were 729 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,160 called out for this particular building? 730 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,390 >> I I'm a 731 00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:32,400 » I I'm a 732 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,480 preservation snob. You know, it's like 733 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,040 rebuilding a car, you know, historic 734 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,040 car. You put the proper parts on it. You 735 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,440 do that. I would have had a fit about 736 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,200 the elevators. You know, there's a lot 737 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,359 of ways to grandfather how that's done 738 00:45:45,359 --> 00:45:47,520 rather than break the horizontal line. 739 00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,319 That was so critical to the design. 740 00:45:50,319 --> 00:45:52,480 designed had parking on the roof so that 741 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,520 70% of the open space could be viewed, 742 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,119 could be left that way because that's 743 00:45:57,119 --> 00:45:59,440 how it was a metaphor for how they saw 744 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,839 this community being developed. What you 745 00:46:01,839 --> 00:46:04,240 do inside wasn't all that unique, you 746 00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:06,400 know, and and Lord, thank you that it 747 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:07,920 was a concrete building. You couldn't 748 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,480 destroy it more than what it was in in 749 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:11,839 the years and years that it was 750 00:46:11,839 --> 00:46:15,280 abandoned. Um, one of the P trees died 751 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,359 and unfortunately that gentleman did 752 00:46:17,359 --> 00:46:19,680 die. One of them is preserved. It's 753 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,280 still standing today. I would like to 754 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,200 see better plaques up there. The woman 755 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,599 who was uh I'm sorry, not knowing her 756 00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:26,960 name right off hand, who was 757 00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:28,960 instrumental in naming the city Thousand 758 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,760 Oaks, her trees up there, you know, um 759 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,520 the events that happened, you know, what 760 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,160 what was it the decisions made, all of 761 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,880 the people who stood like tonight in 762 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,599 that room, you know, shaping what our 763 00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:43,359 community would look like, where we'd go 764 00:46:43,359 --> 00:46:45,520 from here, took place in that council 765 00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,920 chambers. It should be preserved to so 766 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,079 you can compare and contrast. This is 767 00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:52,000 what we thought was important for this 768 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,560 this community. How we saw open space, 769 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,880 how we saw development compared to the 770 00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,040 density and the money that's spent at 771 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,760 this site. You know, you don't know your 772 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,440 that this is odd if you don't look at 773 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,079 what we were. And and that's what I'm 774 00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:09,760 hoping to preserve. And the open space 775 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,680 around it, I would argue, is 776 00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,560 instrumental to why it was chosen. now 777 00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,880 54 different architectural 778 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:18,560 um 779 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,280 competition boards that fill the entire 780 00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,760 uh gym at the the Thousand Oak City 781 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,839 Hall, you know, and Yale, Harvard 782 00:47:25,839 --> 00:47:27,920 Architect, you know, we're were looking 783 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,000 through all these and pick this unique 784 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,480 design of the environmental movement of 785 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,560 that time. This is the only one around 786 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,800 here. Think of all of Ventura County or 787 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,319 even Southern California. How many 788 00:47:38,319 --> 00:47:40,400 buildings can you name that are similar 789 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,640 to that? Maybe the GTE building. I don't 790 00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,720 know what it is now, you know, Baxter, 791 00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:46,319 but you know, they probably stole that 792 00:47:46,319 --> 00:47:49,200 design and made movies within that, too. 793 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,280 So, uh, preserving the outside, but I 794 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,839 think just as important as our community 795 00:47:53,839 --> 00:47:56,400 finds all our open space critical, I 796 00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:57,839 think all the land around that, 797 00:47:57,839 --> 00:47:59,839 especially the viewshed of looking at 798 00:47:59,839 --> 00:48:02,079 the community because the windows were 799 00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:04,000 out here when you were serving behind 800 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,560 that board, you would look out at the 801 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,359 community and and anticipate how would 802 00:48:09,359 --> 00:48:12,480 my vote impact what I'm seeing outside 803 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,079 there. And that was part of the design 804 00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:16,000 element. 805 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,359 Sorry, running off. 806 00:48:17,359 --> 00:48:18,950 >> No, thank you. Uh, is there any other 807 00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:18,960 » No, thank you. Uh, is there any other 808 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,520 questions? Vice Chair Tyler C. 809 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,510 >> Just a just a quick question. So, as I 810 00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:23,520 » Just a just a quick question. So, as I 811 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,119 understand, as you've described it, 812 00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:27,280 landmark status isn't just for 813 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,119 architecturally significant properties. 814 00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:30,800 It also relates to the cultural 815 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,880 resources. Is that correct? 816 00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,710 >> It does, but it depends on who your 817 00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:34,720 » It does, but it depends on who your 818 00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:37,200 board is. Unfortunately, our city 819 00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,280 council is our cultural heritage board 820 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,319 and their training and expertise on 821 00:48:42,319 --> 00:48:45,200 civic, you know, SQUA preservation 822 00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,319 standards is is not uh top of the line. 823 00:48:48,319 --> 00:48:49,990 >> Okay. Thank you. 824 00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:50,000 » Okay. Thank you. 825 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,750 >> Thanks. Any other question? 826 00:48:51,750 --> 00:48:51,760 » Thanks. Any other question? 827 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,950 >> No. Thank you. Uh and we do have from 828 00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:54,960 » No. Thank you. Uh and we do have from 829 00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,240 the park district uh Jim Fredel uh for 830 00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:00,319 questions only. Is there any questions 831 00:49:00,319 --> 00:49:02,800 that you had? I was wondering if if 832 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,480 you'd be willing to come up. I did have 833 00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,480 a quick question. Just name name of city 834 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:07,599 of residence if you're okay with 835 00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:09,270 >> Yeah. Hi, I'm Jim Fredel. I'm the 836 00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:09,280 » Yeah. Hi, I'm Jim Fredel. I'm the 837 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,359 general manager of the Cano Reck and 838 00:49:11,359 --> 00:49:12,319 Park District. Awesome. 839 00:49:12,319 --> 00:49:15,349 >> And actually having heard some comments, 840 00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:15,359 » And actually having heard some comments, 841 00:49:15,359 --> 00:49:17,040 I wouldn't mind making a few of my own 842 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:18,480 after your questions or what? 843 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:19,829 >> Well, I I think the main question is 844 00:49:19,829 --> 00:49:19,839 » Well, I I think the main question is 845 00:49:19,839 --> 00:49:21,760 just we we've had a a significant 846 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,200 discussion about the building itself 847 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,680 being a city landmark and and such and 848 00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,760 some of the additional restrictions that 849 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,920 might be on it if if there is ever a 850 00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:31,520 time in which the park district would 851 00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,599 want to see or make any modifications. 852 00:49:33,599 --> 00:49:35,520 Are you do you you recognize that and 853 00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,440 that's a one of the things I mean are 854 00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:38,800 you aware of that I guess that's 855 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,349 >> yeah yeah we're aware of the city having 856 00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:41,359 » yeah yeah we're aware of the city having 857 00:49:41,359 --> 00:49:43,760 considered and and made a designation 858 00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,079 about the historical status of the 859 00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:47,520 structure we're aware of that 860 00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:48,150 >> okay 861 00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:48,160 » okay 862 00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,790 >> um in fact one of the things I was going 863 00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:50,800 » um in fact one of the things I was going 864 00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:51,680 to share is that 865 00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:52,309 >> yeah please do 866 00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:52,319 » yeah please do 867 00:49:52,319 --> 00:49:54,309 >> part of our responsibility and job in 868 00:49:54,309 --> 00:49:54,319 » part of our responsibility and job in 869 00:49:54,319 --> 00:49:56,640 the community is um you know parks wreck 870 00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,079 and open space that's our primary 871 00:49:58,079 --> 00:50:01,599 mission but in that mission we now are 872 00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:04,000 the stewards of the McCrae ranch which 873 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,319 has the oldest structure in all of 874 00:50:06,319 --> 00:50:08,640 Thousand Oaks. Um, actually Crowley 875 00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,079 House is the oldest structure in all of 876 00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:12,160 Thousand Oaks. That's ours, too. That's 877 00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,839 a 1910 McCrae Ranch has a 1925 building. 878 00:50:15,839 --> 00:50:17,359 And then the stage coach in, of course, 879 00:50:17,359 --> 00:50:19,280 our Cano Valley Historic Society is in 880 00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,119 our building there at the stage coach 881 00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:24,800 in. So, that's part of our DNA is 882 00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,680 protecting and preserving our history, 883 00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,559 our local heritage, and our um, you 884 00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:33,520 know, historical assets. Uh when it 885 00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,599 comes to 40143, I can tell you that the 886 00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:37,040 price tag will prohibit us from 887 00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:38,880 considering any kind of improvements or 888 00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:40,880 modifications for many, many, many years 889 00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:42,319 to come. So you don't have to be worried 890 00:50:42,319 --> 00:50:44,079 that we might have some designs on 891 00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:47,200 changing anything. Um because it is a 892 00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,359 big lift for us, but we're prepared to 893 00:50:49,359 --> 00:50:50,960 make that and we're happy to do that 894 00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:52,800 because of 895 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,920 how important this whole property is to 896 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,559 the future of the city from the park and 897 00:50:58,559 --> 00:51:00,800 wreck perspective. And what I do want to 898 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,880 share is as we look at the areas of 899 00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,680 opportunity as the city referred to them 900 00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,440 throughout the general plan process, we 901 00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,200 know there is going to be a lot more 902 00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,240 multifamily mixeduse housing in areas 903 00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:16,640 that it wasn't originally considered 904 00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,359 when the city thought of the city. You 905 00:51:19,359 --> 00:51:21,280 know, we we separated land uses and I 906 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:22,880 think mixed use is actually the way to 907 00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,119 go. It's how a lot of communities are. 908 00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:26,880 But now that we are going there, we need 909 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,520 to provide park land space in close 910 00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:31,280 geographic proximity to where people 911 00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:36,400 will live. So the 60 acres that make up 912 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,280 um the hill are are really important to 913 00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,040 us and more importantly to all the 914 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,480 residents existing there, but all of the 915 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,240 literally thousands of units that could 916 00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:48,800 be built right next to there in a short 917 00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,880 half a mile walking distance to the to 918 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,280 the property. So that was our thinking 919 00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,040 not what might we do to change the 920 00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,599 buildings. In fact, you know, again, we 921 00:51:57,599 --> 00:51:58,720 don't have the money to change the 922 00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:00,400 buildings, but we want to stay there 923 00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:01,920 just how it is and how we've been there 924 00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,480 for for the last u 25 years with the 925 00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,960 license with the city. But looking just 926 00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:08,720 as we're thinking and of course I have a 927 00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:10,000 board to respond to and we're going to 928 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:11,440 go ask the whole community what they 929 00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,680 think, but we have some ideas of just 930 00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,079 basically activating the old National 931 00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:20,240 Park Service 401 building um with very 932 00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:22,640 comparable similar community use. 933 00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,559 probably some reservable big community 934 00:52:24,559 --> 00:52:27,119 meeting rooms. Um we might move some of 935 00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:28,960 our wreck units into that building that 936 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,119 that are too cramped in other locations, 937 00:52:31,119 --> 00:52:35,200 but we don't see any notable physical 938 00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,559 changes and frankly don't have any. But 939 00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:40,880 I want to say one of the things and the 940 00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:42,640 reason you're getting a DA in front of 941 00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,880 you is because 942 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,800 we are going to have to borrow money. 943 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,640 There's a cash and financing and it's 944 00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,160 it's all spelled out in a staff report 945 00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,319 that we're doing for our board. So, it's 946 00:52:52,319 --> 00:52:54,800 online now at our website, 947 00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,559 but um I I I mentioned because uh 948 00:52:58,559 --> 00:52:59,839 somebody had brought up the tax 949 00:52:59,839 --> 00:53:02,559 question. So, we're two totally separate 950 00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:04,480 entities, City of Thousand Oaks and 951 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,000 CRPD. We have we our income is primarily 952 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,800 6 cents of the property tax dollar you 953 00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,880 pay. So, think about your home and how 954 00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,480 much you're paying in property taxes. We 955 00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,200 get about 6 cents of that property tax 956 00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,880 dollar and we do the park system that we 957 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:22,559 do. But one of the other things we get 958 00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:25,760 are developer fees when the developers 959 00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,800 build. So we get about $12,800 960 00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,559 a unit for every unit that's built. So 961 00:53:32,559 --> 00:53:35,040 if you imagine 2,000 units happening 962 00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:36,400 between the oaks and the Jans 963 00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,280 marketplace, you got $24 million right 964 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,000 there. That helps pay for the loan that 965 00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,839 we have on the property and the 966 00:53:45,839 --> 00:53:48,319 improvements to the park space that we 967 00:53:48,319 --> 00:53:50,400 can imagine. If you haven't been to the 968 00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,319 top of Fireworks Hill, walk up there 969 00:53:52,319 --> 00:53:53,599 right now. If you're listening to my 970 00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:55,760 voice, go check out the top of Fireworks 971 00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,359 Hill if you've never done it. The view 972 00:53:57,359 --> 00:54:00,720 is just bonkers. It is spectacular. And 973 00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:04,480 in the current plans, the the the the 974 00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,040 current um specific plan 17, the general 975 00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,440 plan, it has been envisioned for a park 976 00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,920 up there. So, yeah, we probably aren't 977 00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:13,520 going to be driving cars up to the top 978 00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:14,960 of the hill, but there are improvements 979 00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,440 that can make it more people friendly up 980 00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,559 top. and um and pathways to get there, 981 00:54:20,559 --> 00:54:21,680 that kind of thing. And that's our 982 00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,440 business, park and wreck improvements. 983 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,520 And so that is the change we do want to 984 00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,119 make on the hill. And that'll go through 985 00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:28,640 a permit process and that kind of thing 986 00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,880 and a public input process. But we're 987 00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,200 really we're really stoked. No taxes. 988 00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,440 You're taxes aren't changing. We're not 989 00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,680 we're not um asking for a revenue 990 00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:41,440 measure um or anything like that. So we 991 00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,280 have saved up over the years for certain 992 00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,839 capital acquisitions. And so that is 993 00:54:45,839 --> 00:54:47,119 part of the pot of the money and the 994 00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:49,359 other will be so it's about 15 of cash 995 00:54:49,359 --> 00:54:51,680 that we have saved up for pro for this 996 00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,160 very thing property acquisition and and 997 00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,680 improvement and the other uh will come 998 00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,000 uh you know we'll get it immediately 999 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,040 from some sort of you know loan of some 1000 00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:07,440 kind but we hope that as projects do get 1001 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,000 approved nearby the oaks Jance that kind 1002 00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,760 of thing that we'll be able to allocate 1003 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,520 some of those developer fees toward 1004 00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,119 toward that and pay off that loan 1005 00:55:15,119 --> 00:55:17,280 faster. I think I touched on everything 1006 00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,079 I I heard and wanted to talk about, but 1007 00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:22,160 um happy to answer any other questions 1008 00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,640 as well. And and and because I might not 1009 00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:26,079 get another chance, I really wanted to 1010 00:55:26,079 --> 00:55:29,280 thank staff um OBAR and the team in the 1011 00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:30,960 city manager's office of course and the 1012 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:32,400 planning staff, everybody that's been 1013 00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,760 involved, um city attorney's office. Um 1014 00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:37,359 it's it's really great to work with 1015 00:55:37,359 --> 00:55:39,839 partners like the city of Thousand Oaks. 1016 00:55:39,839 --> 00:55:43,119 If I had to say, you know, the city is 1017 00:55:43,119 --> 00:55:45,119 kind of really going for the future with 1018 00:55:45,119 --> 00:55:47,200 the downtown master plan. They're 1019 00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,599 working towards our future, right? And 1020 00:55:49,599 --> 00:55:52,240 we're kind of respecting and preserving 1021 00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:54,240 the past. I think that those two things 1022 00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:57,200 are really important together. And I I 1023 00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:58,960 just think all of this at the end of the 1024 00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:00,559 day will be looked at as a win-winwin, 1025 00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:02,480 especially 20 years from now when the 1026 00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,400 loans have been paid off and it's there. 1027 00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,079 It'll be a stretch for the first few 1028 00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:09,040 years here for us, but um you know what 1029 00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,520 the city is going to do here, um there's 1030 00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,359 some park-like amenities going in that 1031 00:56:13,359 --> 00:56:15,280 we wouldn't ever be able to afford or do 1032 00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:16,640 that they're planning on doing, which 1033 00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,160 we're really excited about. So that to 1034 00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,160 the extent some of our money is 1035 00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,599 allocated to that kind of thing. Great. 1036 00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:26,630 >> Yeah. Thanks. I was going to say you 1037 00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:26,640 » Yeah. Thanks. I was going to say you 1038 00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:27,920 probably got more than five minutes. 1039 00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,160 That's a sneaky way to get uh get more 1040 00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:31,760 of it. No, no, no. Sorry. I just went 1041 00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:32,079 for it. 1042 00:56:32,079 --> 00:56:33,589 >> It's actually But but it was perfect. 1043 00:56:33,589 --> 00:56:33,599 » It's actually But but it was perfect. 1044 00:56:33,599 --> 00:56:35,680 Honestly, this is a great discussion and 1045 00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,079 glad to hear uh your points of view 1046 00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:39,599 about what they're doing. I'm assuming 1047 00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:42,000 then you've I mean you're not the 1048 00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:43,839 applicant or anything like that, but I'm 1049 00:56:43,839 --> 00:56:45,440 assuming the terms under which all of 1050 00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,280 this is happening through the DA and and 1051 00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,839 the resolution are probably in line with 1052 00:56:49,839 --> 00:56:52,000 what the park district is is. 1053 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:53,349 >> Yes. Yeah. We've had a chance to 1054 00:56:53,349 --> 00:56:53,359 » Yes. Yeah. We've had a chance to 1055 00:56:53,359 --> 00:56:55,200 literally negotiate it. The development 1056 00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,240 agreement is actually a vehicle only to 1057 00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:00,000 be used if things don't go according to 1058 00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:01,920 plan, right? Like we're using it almost 1059 00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:03,520 in the opposite way a developer would 1060 00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,520 use it. Developer does, hey, I got this 1061 00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:07,119 plan. I want to build something. Ours is 1062 00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:09,839 if everything goes wrong and we have to 1063 00:57:09,839 --> 00:57:11,599 do a financial bailout and literally 1064 00:57:11,599 --> 00:57:14,240 sell, you know, sell the farm. That's 1065 00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:15,839 the farm we're selling, right? 1066 00:57:15,839 --> 00:57:18,630 >> I I want to be really clear like that. I 1067 00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:18,640 » I I want to be really clear like that. I 1068 00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,480 don't want the discussion we've got here 1069 00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,319 isn't to get in the way of anything that 1070 00:57:22,319 --> 00:57:23,839 has been done there, but we have 1071 00:57:23,839 --> 00:57:25,760 recognized there is a city landmark. if 1072 00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:27,119 the staff is able to come up with 1073 00:57:27,119 --> 00:57:28,240 language just to heighten the 1074 00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,079 recognition of it that does not get in 1075 00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:32,000 the way of that. Is that is that 1076 00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:32,799 something 1077 00:57:32,799 --> 00:57:34,470 >> I I mean I don't know that I'd want to 1078 00:57:34,470 --> 00:57:34,480 » I I mean I don't know that I'd want to 1079 00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,160 add any additional limitations or 1080 00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:37,359 restrictions, but we're aware of the 1081 00:57:37,359 --> 00:57:39,040 ones that are there and it has landmark 1082 00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:40,720 status. I I believe that's what it's 1083 00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,960 called by the city's landmark status and 1084 00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,480 so we're very comfortable with it. But I 1085 00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,799 I don't have authority to and not it's 1086 00:57:48,799 --> 00:57:50,559 not something negotiated or anything. We 1087 00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:52,079 we but we do understand there's a 1088 00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:54,160 historical nature to it and I've talked 1089 00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,480 to you know Mr. Maple over the years. We 1090 00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,319 we get it and I've stood in his front 1091 00:57:58,319 --> 00:57:59,839 yard too and it's a magnificent view of 1092 00:57:59,839 --> 00:58:01,839 the hill. 1093 00:58:01,839 --> 00:58:03,670 >> Okay, perfect. Thank you. Are there any 1094 00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:03,680 » Okay, perfect. Thank you. Are there any 1095 00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:05,520 questions for you? 1096 00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:06,549 >> Commissioner bus. 1097 00:58:06,549 --> 00:58:06,559 » Commissioner bus. 1098 00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:09,910 >> Um I'm not sure Jim or staff uh can 1099 00:58:09,910 --> 00:58:09,920 » Um I'm not sure Jim or staff uh can 1100 00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,160 someone speak to how the property was 1101 00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,520 valued like how we came up with the 1102 00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,390 >> Do you want to do it? 1103 00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:18,400 » Do you want to do it? 1104 00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:22,549 I did an appraisal. 1105 00:58:22,559 --> 00:58:22,799 So, 1106 00:58:22,799 --> 00:58:24,870 >> so yes, uh Mr. Fredo's correct. We we 1107 00:58:24,870 --> 00:58:24,880 » so yes, uh Mr. Fredo's correct. We we 1108 00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:26,559 both agencies independently conducted 1109 00:58:26,559 --> 00:58:29,119 their own appraisals. Uh myself and our 1110 00:58:29,119 --> 00:58:30,640 finance director, Dam Boscarino, met 1111 00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:32,720 with Mr. Mooney, Mr. Fredel, uh back in 1112 00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,359 October. We compared notes uh and where 1113 00:58:35,359 --> 00:58:37,280 we landed was essentially kind of the 1114 00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,000 the fair market value uh that was 1115 00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:41,599 assigned by both appraisals. 1116 00:58:41,599 --> 00:58:43,510 >> Had a vin diagram and there was there 1117 00:58:43,510 --> 00:58:43,520 » Had a vin diagram and there was there 1118 00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,319 was a place where we both met. So it it 1119 00:58:46,319 --> 00:58:47,920 made actually it ended up being pretty 1120 00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,160 easy that way. 1121 00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,950 >> And do you have any idea if the property 1122 00:58:52,950 --> 00:58:52,960 » And do you have any idea if the property 1123 00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:54,960 were to be put I mean you said fair 1124 00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:56,880 market value. So you're saying that 1125 00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:58,720 you're confident that that property 1126 00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:00,400 would sell to a developer for 30 1127 00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:01,680 million. 1128 00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:02,150 >> Correct. 1129 00:59:02,150 --> 00:59:02,160 » Correct. 1130 00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:02,630 >> Okay. 1131 00:59:02,630 --> 00:59:02,640 » Okay. 1132 00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:04,630 >> Under the existing land use 1133 00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:04,640 » Under the existing land use 1134 00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:08,240 designations. Correct. 1135 00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,720 I just um one way we've looked at it 1136 00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,760 just because I as residents I think you 1137 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,440 guys have a lot of interest and as 1138 00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:16,799 planning commissioners you have a ton of 1139 00:59:16,799 --> 00:59:18,720 interest in in the economics of all of 1140 00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,040 it as well and one of the way we viewed 1141 00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:25,200 it is we definitely were looking to add 1142 00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,440 uh square footage for community indoor 1143 00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,040 community center space and we've been 1144 00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,760 researching it and it's it's a it's a 1145 00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,520 it's a thousand bucks a foot to build 1146 00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,520 new construction 1147 00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,520 you know, government level quality 1148 00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:43,280 buildings. So, we're getting 55,000 1149 00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,520 square feet here. I don't want to say we 1150 00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:47,359 got a good deal, but I feel like we got 1151 00:59:47,359 --> 00:59:51,910 a good deal, a fair deal. 1152 00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,359 Okay, any other questions, comments? 1153 00:59:55,359 --> 00:59:58,960 Thanks so much. Appreciate it. Um, and 1154 00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,480 that is it for uh for the public 1155 01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:04,720 comments. Uh, we now go back to staff 1156 01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:10,950 for follow-up comments. 1157 01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:12,799 Uh I think Mr. Predel really said 1158 01:00:12,799 --> 01:00:15,119 everything that um I was going to cover. 1159 01:00:15,119 --> 01:00:16,720 I would just like to, you know, 1160 01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,599 re-emphasize that um any proposal for 1161 01:00:19,599 --> 01:00:22,079 anything in the future would have to go 1162 01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:23,920 through the proper procedures to get 1163 01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,480 that um certificate of appropriateness 1164 01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,880 if any changes were to be proposed to 1165 01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:30,799 the facade or any of the other um 1166 01:00:30,799 --> 01:00:32,799 protected or designated elements of the 1167 01:00:32,799 --> 01:00:36,240 site. um and of course be reviewed for 1168 01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,079 conformance with SQA and consistency 1169 01:00:38,079 --> 01:00:40,480 with the general plan which again as you 1170 01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:44,079 um noted um calls out this area as a 1171 01:00:44,079 --> 01:00:46,000 landmark. So just want to reemphasize 1172 01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,240 that all of those protections that are 1173 01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,480 in place today remain in place and are 1174 01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:52,240 completely unchanged from whatever the 1175 01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:57,040 procedure is now would remain the same. 1176 01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:01,190 >> Any questions of staff? 1177 01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:05,200 I just want to is there any any ideas 1178 01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,920 from staff about somehow identifying in 1179 01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:10,079 the even in the resolution to at least 1180 01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:12,000 heighten the fact that there is a city 1181 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,400 landmark on here? I I'm I'm not going to 1182 01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,319 press so much on it, but I do look at 1183 01:01:16,319 --> 01:01:18,960 this policy and when it says decisions 1184 01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,760 pertaining to the disposition of 1185 01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,000 historical resources 1186 01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,160 shall be made in concert with these and 1187 01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:29,040 we're not recognizing that as a policy 1188 01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,599 that we are 1189 01:01:31,599 --> 01:01:33,839 agreeing to say this disposition is 1190 01:01:33,839 --> 01:01:36,000 consistent with. 1191 01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:37,520 Is there any way we can at least 1192 01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:39,599 recognize in the resolution that we are 1193 01:01:39,599 --> 01:01:44,870 providing to council? 1194 01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:46,720 kind I'm just I'm just kind of surprised 1195 01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:50,720 we're not willing to state it. 1196 01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,670 >> Yes, Commissioner Fran. I think it's 1197 01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:53,680 » Yes, Commissioner Fran. I think it's 1198 01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:56,720 been made clear that all the parties 1199 01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,280 know this and it's in our general plan 1200 01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,839 as a landmark 1201 01:02:01,839 --> 01:02:05,839 piece of property and I think that 1202 01:02:05,839 --> 01:02:08,000 having it in the general plan as a 1203 01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,000 landmark property 1204 01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,599 is plenty in my personal opinion. 1205 01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:16,630 >> Okay. Thank you. Um just as a counter 1206 01:02:16,630 --> 01:02:16,640 » Okay. Thank you. Um just as a counter 1207 01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,119 it's in the it it's in the general plan. 1208 01:02:19,119 --> 01:02:20,559 We have a policy with respect to 1209 01:02:20,559 --> 01:02:23,359 disposition of historical resources. 1210 01:02:23,359 --> 01:02:26,319 We are the body required to find general 1211 01:02:26,319 --> 01:02:29,760 plan consistency and we're just saying 1212 01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:31,280 words and not putting it into our 1213 01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,319 official actions. So that's that's the 1214 01:02:34,319 --> 01:02:36,240 reason why I'm bringing it up as a point 1215 01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:38,559 of comment. 1216 01:02:38,559 --> 01:02:41,599 Any questions? Still still from still 1217 01:02:41,599 --> 01:02:45,599 from uh city from from staff. 1218 01:02:45,599 --> 01:02:48,000 Okay. 1219 01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:52,240 Uh let me just double check. 1220 01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:54,400 Do we have any This is the city is is 1221 01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,240 the applicant. There's no rebuttal in 1222 01:02:56,240 --> 01:03:00,319 this particular case, right? Okay. Um 1223 01:03:00,319 --> 01:03:04,240 if not, any final questions of staff, 1224 01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:05,839 then uh we'll close the public hearing 1225 01:03:05,839 --> 01:03:07,680 and entertain discussion and enter a 1226 01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:16,870 motion. 1227 01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:18,319 Commissioner McMahon. 1228 01:03:18,319 --> 01:03:22,549 >> Okay. Uh let's see. I um I move that we 1229 01:03:22,549 --> 01:03:22,559 » Okay. Uh let's see. I um I move that we 1230 01:03:22,559 --> 01:03:24,880 find that the project is categorically 1231 01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:28,960 exempt from the California Environmental 1232 01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:33,440 Quality Act pursuant to section 15061 1233 01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:38,880 B3 common sense exception. Section 15312 1234 01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,440 surplus government property sales. on 1235 01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:45,200 section 15325 transfers of ownership of 1236 01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:47,760 interest of land. Find that the proposed 1237 01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:49,520 disposition of city-owned property to 1238 01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,400 the Cano Recreation and Park District of 1239 01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:59,750 the following parcels. APN's 525-053-115 1240 01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:06,319 525-53-175 1241 01:04:06,319 --> 01:04:08,799 053-195 1242 01:04:08,799 --> 01:04:11,039 525- 1243 01:04:11,039 --> 01:04:14,230 060-85 1244 01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,559 525- 1245 01:04:16,559 --> 01:04:19,589 Z-60- 1246 01:04:19,599 --> 01:04:21,280 095 1247 01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:23,520 20 525- 1248 01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,240 - 060-115 1249 01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:28,480 525- 1250 01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:30,960 060-125 1251 01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,039 and 525- 1252 01:04:33,039 --> 01:04:35,440 060-135 1253 01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:37,760 is consistent with the Thousand Oaks 1254 01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:40,640 2045 general plan pursuant to government 1255 01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:43,760 code section number 65402 1256 01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:46,400 and number three recommend that the city 1257 01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:48,480 council adopt an ordinance for proving 1258 01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:52,480 developmental agreement DAGR-2025 1259 01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:54,960 5-70004 1260 01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,200 establishing the city's agreement not to 1261 01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,599 not change the existing zoning and 1262 01:04:59,599 --> 01:05:01,599 general plan designations of the 1263 01:05:01,599 --> 01:05:04,400 property without owner's consent for 30 1264 01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:09,270 years from the date of execution. 1265 01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:10,480 » Well done. 1266 01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,990 >> That was the longest one I've ever read. 1267 01:05:13,990 --> 01:05:14,000 » That was the longest one I've ever read. 1268 01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:15,589 >> I I don't think you beat the secretary, 1269 01:05:15,589 --> 01:05:15,599 » I I don't think you beat the secretary, 1270 01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:17,520 though. I mean, I think that she she 1271 01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:21,119 does a a an amazing job. Uh, any 1272 01:05:21,119 --> 01:05:24,079 comments on the motion? Vice Chair Tyler 1273 01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:25,920 Kat, 1274 01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,309 >> I I appreciate what what Jim had said 1275 01:05:28,309 --> 01:05:28,319 » I I appreciate what what Jim had said 1276 01:05:28,319 --> 01:05:30,559 about the fact that that preservation is 1277 01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:33,599 in your DNA and and for me coming in, I 1278 01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:35,200 did have some of those concerns, some of 1279 01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:37,280 the landmark status concerns for sure. 1280 01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:40,160 Um, I do like that that that CRPD has 1281 01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:42,240 been talking to Mr. Maple, who is 1282 01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:45,039 basically our city historian, 1283 01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:48,799 DevTo, city historian, and and kind of 1284 01:05:48,799 --> 01:05:51,200 the keeper of the wisdom and and I 1285 01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:52,880 appreciate that you guys see that and 1286 01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:56,240 that that's something and based on what 1287 01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,400 what staff has told us tonight and what 1288 01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:00,079 the city attorney's office has indicated 1289 01:06:00,079 --> 01:06:04,079 to us in terms of that, you know, that 1290 01:06:04,079 --> 01:06:06,319 that landmark status is there. I I was 1291 01:06:06,319 --> 01:06:08,480 concerned, Mick, that that we didn't 1292 01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:10,799 have that really called out, but I do 1293 01:06:10,799 --> 01:06:13,200 feel comfortable that it is called out 1294 01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:14,880 enough in the general plan and that you 1295 01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:16,480 guys understand that that that's 1296 01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,960 something that you you you care for and 1297 01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:20,880 and we get it that you know, some of 1298 01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:23,200 this is going to have to be sold, but 1299 01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:25,440 you you know, my biggest concern was 1300 01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:27,359 that property itself was was the 1301 01:06:27,359 --> 01:06:28,880 building itself. And so, for that 1302 01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,200 reason, I'll support the motion. 1303 01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:34,069 >> Thank you. Any other comments? 1304 01:06:34,069 --> 01:06:34,079 » Thank you. Any other comments? 1305 01:06:34,079 --> 01:06:34,880 Commissioner Bus, 1306 01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:37,510 >> I just want to clarify the intention is 1307 01:06:37,510 --> 01:06:37,520 » I just want to clarify the intention is 1308 01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,240 not to sell any of the property unless 1309 01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:42,400 fiscally that's that's like the last 1310 01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,160 resort like sell the farm like you said. 1311 01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:46,160 So because I know one of the concerns 1312 01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:48,640 had been because we do have to have so 1313 01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:50,319 much development is having the open 1314 01:06:50,319 --> 01:06:53,680 spaces. So that's not on the table 1315 01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:56,720 legitimately, right? 1316 01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,349 >> Uh hold on. If we if we entertain this 1317 01:06:59,349 --> 01:06:59,359 » Uh hold on. If we if we entertain this 1318 01:06:59,359 --> 01:07:01,440 will uh Mr. Fedel will have to open up 1319 01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:02,640 the public hearing again. 1320 01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:04,309 >> Okay. Um, well then 1321 01:07:04,309 --> 01:07:04,319 » Okay. Um, well then 1322 01:07:04,319 --> 01:07:06,230 >> do do you want do you do you want to 1323 01:07:06,230 --> 01:07:06,240 » do do you want do you do you want to 1324 01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:06,640 comment 1325 01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:09,910 >> based on uh Commissioner uh Hut's 1326 01:07:09,910 --> 01:07:09,920 » based on uh Commissioner uh Hut's 1327 01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:11,039 comments. Um 1328 01:07:11,039 --> 01:07:13,029 >> I think I misspoke. I didn't mean I 1329 01:07:13,029 --> 01:07:13,039 » I think I misspoke. I didn't mean I 1330 01:07:13,039 --> 01:07:15,440 didn't mean sell. I mean develop. I 1331 01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:17,200 meant develop. So yeah, I misspoke. 1332 01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:18,710 >> Okay. That's just what I wanted to 1333 01:07:18,710 --> 01:07:18,720 » Okay. That's just what I wanted to 1334 01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:21,200 clarify. 1335 01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:23,910 >> Okay. All right. 1336 01:07:23,910 --> 01:07:23,920 » Okay. All right. 1337 01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:27,270 >> Okay. Um 1338 01:07:27,270 --> 01:07:27,280 » Okay. Um 1339 01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:28,400 Mr. City attorney. 1340 01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:30,069 >> Yeah. I have two things. I mean you're 1341 01:07:30,069 --> 01:07:30,079 » Yeah. I have two things. I mean you're 1342 01:07:30,079 --> 01:07:32,079 correct. if we if we want to solicit 1343 01:07:32,079 --> 01:07:34,400 additional input from the public that 1344 01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,039 we'd have to reopen the public hearing. 1345 01:07:37,039 --> 01:07:39,039 I mean, what I will say is that the 1346 01:07:39,039 --> 01:07:42,960 intent of the deal is is for the parks 1347 01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,039 district to continue using the property 1348 01:07:45,039 --> 01:07:47,440 as they've been doing and for there not 1349 01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:49,920 to be additional development. Is that 1350 01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:50,720 the 1351 01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:52,230 >> That's my understanding. I just want to 1352 01:07:52,230 --> 01:07:52,240 » That's my understanding. I just want to 1353 01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:55,119 clarify that cuz um 1354 01:07:55,119 --> 01:07:57,839 anyone watching if it's thought that 1355 01:07:57,839 --> 01:07:59,920 there may be development in the near 1356 01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:03,200 future then that kind of is different 1357 01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:06,160 than what I understood it to be. So I 1358 01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:08,480 understand what you state know to be the 1359 01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:11,520 the case. 1360 01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:13,190 >> Okay. 1361 01:08:13,190 --> 01:08:13,200 » Okay. 1362 01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:17,910 >> Uh thank you. Uh uh I I would I would 1363 01:08:17,910 --> 01:08:17,920 » Uh thank you. Uh uh I I would I would 1364 01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:19,920 still like to ask my fellow 1365 01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:21,600 commissioners if they would be willing 1366 01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,319 to entertain an slight amendment to the 1367 01:08:24,319 --> 01:08:27,600 motion in the resolution which would 1368 01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:31,839 only add the the following phrase and 1369 01:08:31,839 --> 01:08:34,319 recognizes that city landmark number 10 1370 01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:37,199 Hillrest Center is on the property. 1371 01:08:37,199 --> 01:08:39,440 Doesn't change the findings. It doesn't 1372 01:08:39,440 --> 01:08:41,600 change which elements of the general 1373 01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:43,359 plan were identifying it to be 1374 01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:46,080 consistent with. It is merely a phrase 1375 01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:48,960 which calls out that it is on the 1376 01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:50,880 property which our general plan states 1377 01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,920 it does should have no effect on this 1378 01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:58,159 and I would ask to amend specifically I 1379 01:08:58,159 --> 01:09:01,920 would move to amend the motion to 1380 01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:04,480 include let me let me just ask first 1381 01:09:04,480 --> 01:09:06,560 would you be willing to include it? If 1382 01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:08,239 not, I would ask the commission to vote 1383 01:09:08,239 --> 01:09:09,600 on it. 1384 01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,550 >> Um, before I I do that, I want to have 1385 01:09:12,550 --> 01:09:12,560 » Um, before I I do that, I want to have 1386 01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:20,950 it the opinion from our city attorney. 1387 01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:44,390 This is the 1388 01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:58,390 property is specifically defined. 1389 01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:00,880 and it would be in 1390 01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:16,630 this part here. 1391 01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:18,239 Just add it. 1392 01:10:18,239 --> 01:10:21,110 >> Yeah. Right in here. 1393 01:10:21,110 --> 01:10:21,120 » Yeah. Right in here. 1394 01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:23,679 As the proposed sale preserves blah blah 1395 01:10:23,679 --> 01:10:26,560 blah project is consistent with exactly 1396 01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:28,159 the same elements that's been described 1397 01:10:28,159 --> 01:10:38,390 by 1398 01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:53,350 changes nothing of the other other 1399 01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:55,040 » Yeah. I mean, again, I I don't think 1400 01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:57,440 it's necessary to include that language 1401 01:10:57,440 --> 01:10:59,840 in there, but I mean, I don't think that 1402 01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:01,920 there's anything prohibiting you from 1403 01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:03,520 adding that language in there. 1404 01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:05,270 >> Do you you don't believe it also change 1405 01:11:05,270 --> 01:11:05,280 » Do you you don't believe it also change 1406 01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:08,480 the effect of of the resolution? 1407 01:11:08,480 --> 01:11:10,159 That's what I'm trying to do is not to 1408 01:11:10,159 --> 01:11:12,640 affect it, just to call out something 1409 01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:14,159 that is in the general plan. We're just 1410 01:11:14,159 --> 01:11:15,760 stating it. 1411 01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:18,950 >> So, I guess I'm So, I mean, what's the 1412 01:11:18,950 --> 01:11:18,960 » So, I guess I'm So, I mean, what's the 1413 01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:21,199 what is the purpose of adding it then? 1414 01:11:21,199 --> 01:11:26,550 because it would be in the resolution. 1415 01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:28,080 Okay. 1416 01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:31,520 I mean I again I don't I mean you can 1417 01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:33,120 add the language in there. I mean it's 1418 01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:34,640 your resolution. You can add it. I mean 1419 01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:36,640 I don't 1420 01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:38,480 I mean I wouldn't say that it doesn't do 1421 01:11:38,480 --> 01:11:40,080 anything to the resolution unless you're 1422 01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:42,320 adding the language. But 1423 01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:45,910 >> again 1424 01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:47,679 I I don't I don't understand the the 1425 01:11:47,679 --> 01:11:49,440 purpose of it. But you can add it in 1426 01:11:49,440 --> 01:11:51,440 there. 1427 01:11:51,440 --> 01:11:53,760 Okay. For me, the purpose is there's 1428 01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:55,360 nothing in the current resolution that 1429 01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:56,719 states the fact that there is a city 1430 01:11:56,719 --> 01:11:59,199 landmark on this property. This would at 1431 01:11:59,199 --> 01:12:01,360 least recognize overtly that there is 1432 01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:01,840 one, 1433 01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:02,550 >> right? 1434 01:12:02,550 --> 01:12:02,560 » right? 1435 01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:04,630 >> But there is a I mean, there is a 1436 01:12:04,630 --> 01:12:04,640 » But there is a I mean, there is a 1437 01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:06,640 resolution from the city that identifies 1438 01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:08,640 it as a landmark. So, I mean, it's 1439 01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:10,550 >> right, but we had to go and find it. 1440 01:12:10,550 --> 01:12:10,560 » right, but we had to go and find it. 1441 01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:13,520 It's in 1997. It's in city records. This 1442 01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:15,360 would highlight very clearly in the 1443 01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:18,239 disposition agreement that or the in the 1444 01:12:18,239 --> 01:12:19,920 disposition decision the city council 1445 01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:22,159 will make that the planning commission 1446 01:12:22,159 --> 01:12:25,120 recognizes that there is a city landmark 1447 01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:28,709 on the property. 1448 01:12:28,719 --> 01:12:30,719 I mean sure it'll be in the in the 1449 01:12:30,719 --> 01:12:34,719 resolution regarding the the finding of 1450 01:12:34,719 --> 01:12:37,920 consistency with the general plan. 1451 01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:38,550 >> Right. That's what 1452 01:12:38,550 --> 01:12:38,560 » Right. That's what 1453 01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:40,390 >> I'm sorry. Say that again. 1454 01:12:40,390 --> 01:12:40,400 » I'm sorry. Say that again. 1455 01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:42,159 You want to add that language into the 1456 01:12:42,159 --> 01:12:43,840 resolution 1457 01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:45,920 as it as it applies to the finding of 1458 01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:47,679 consistency with the general plan, 1459 01:12:47,679 --> 01:12:49,510 >> right? But the lang the phrase itself 1460 01:12:49,510 --> 01:12:49,520 » right? But the lang the phrase itself 1461 01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:52,159 has no effect except to state that it is 1462 01:12:52,159 --> 01:12:54,640 is recognizes that it's a city landmark. 1463 01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:56,560 It doesn't change the elements through 1464 01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:58,800 which staff has recommended that it's 1465 01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:02,159 consistent with the general plan. 1466 01:13:02,159 --> 01:13:03,520 You've highlighted the governance and 1467 01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:06,320 land use elements. 1468 01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:08,310 >> Yeah. No, I agree with that. I mean, I I 1469 01:13:08,310 --> 01:13:08,320 » Yeah. No, I agree with that. I mean, I I 1470 01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:10,239 don't think it changes the the fact that 1471 01:13:10,239 --> 01:13:12,960 it's consistent with the general plan. 1472 01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:15,510 >> So, that would that would be my my 1473 01:13:15,510 --> 01:13:15,520 » So, that would that would be my my 1474 01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:18,480 request is to have that changed so that 1475 01:13:18,480 --> 01:13:21,520 it is stated and when someone reads it, 1476 01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:28,229 they they know that we we recognize that 1477 01:13:28,239 --> 01:13:33,360 » I'm feeling that this is a win-win. Park 1478 01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:36,400 and Recreck Department was on the same 1479 01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:38,480 page with our city staff. They worked 1480 01:13:38,480 --> 01:13:41,120 really hard together to draft this revol 1481 01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:42,880 resolution. 1482 01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:46,239 And who are we to add something to it 1483 01:13:46,239 --> 01:13:51,760 that doesn't change it? I I'm going to 1484 01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:56,159 not um change my motion. And if you guys 1485 01:13:56,159 --> 01:13:57,760 want to vote on that, that's fine. 1486 01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:01,590 >> Okay. Then I then I would like to amend 1487 01:14:01,590 --> 01:14:01,600 » Okay. Then I then I would like to amend 1488 01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,560 Oh. Vice Chair Tyler Kat. 1489 01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:06,550 >> Okay, I'm I'm not putting my lawyer hat 1490 01:14:06,550 --> 01:14:06,560 » Okay, I'm I'm not putting my lawyer hat 1491 01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:08,159 on here and I could be completely off 1492 01:14:08,159 --> 01:14:10,239 base on this um because I did a little 1493 01:14:10,239 --> 01:14:12,239 bit of research. This this was a 1494 01:14:12,239 --> 01:14:14,000 relatively complicated issue I thought 1495 01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:16,640 today because I did a lot of research. I 1496 01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:18,480 think maybe by adding that language we 1497 01:14:18,480 --> 01:14:21,600 say that it's inoc innocuous. Maybe it 1498 01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:23,360 avoids a sequence. So, when we're 1499 01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:24,960 talking about future development, 1500 01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:26,800 development down the road, maybe it 1501 01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:30,400 avoids a sequence challenge because, and 1502 01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:31,760 I'm going to read I'm going to read 1503 01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:32,880 this. I'm not going to I'm not going to 1504 01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:34,960 adlib this. Because the proposed 1505 01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:37,120 acquisition is a discretionary action 1506 01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:38,800 that could result in irreversible 1507 01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:40,960 impacts. Squa requires that the city 1508 01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:42,800 evaluate the building's historic 1509 01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,280 resource status and consider feasible 1510 01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:46,960 preservation alternatives prior to 1511 01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:51,040 approval. So again, perhaps what we're 1512 01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:52,640 doing is we're just kind of cutting it 1513 01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:55,199 off it its knees down the road for a SQA 1514 01:14:55,199 --> 01:14:57,360 challenge because we have considered its 1515 01:14:57,360 --> 01:14:59,280 historic status as we sit here today 1516 01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:00,560 with language that's relatively 1517 01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:03,600 innocuous. That was a tortured way of 1518 01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:06,239 getting to that. 1519 01:15:06,239 --> 01:15:08,310 >> Yeah, I don't think that this resolution 1520 01:15:08,310 --> 01:15:08,320 » Yeah, I don't think that this resolution 1521 01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:10,239 is going to have any impact on any kind 1522 01:15:10,239 --> 01:15:12,400 of SQA evaluation. 1523 01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:12,709 >> Okay. 1524 01:15:12,709 --> 01:15:12,719 » Okay. 1525 01:15:12,719 --> 01:15:14,550 >> I mean it's I mean it's going to have no 1526 01:15:14,550 --> 01:15:14,560 » I mean it's I mean it's going to have no 1527 01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:16,880 impact on any challenge. 1528 01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:20,640 I would still support the language. 1529 01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:23,030 >> Thank you. Um gi given that I'm going to 1530 01:15:23,030 --> 01:15:23,040 » Thank you. Um gi given that I'm going to 1531 01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:26,480 ask that I move to amend the motion such 1532 01:15:26,480 --> 01:15:29,920 that section two 1533 01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:33,590 of the resolution 1534 01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:37,199 which starts with the paragraph as the 1535 01:15:37,199 --> 01:15:39,280 proposed sale. 1536 01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:42,719 uh to have that have that read as the 1537 01:15:42,719 --> 01:15:45,040 proposed sale preserves the existing 1538 01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:47,520 land use designations of open space 1539 01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:50,400 commercial and mixed use. 1540 01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:52,320 Here's the additional language and 1541 01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:55,679 recognizes that city landmark number 10 1542 01:15:55,679 --> 01:16:00,080 Hillrest Center is on the property. 1543 01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:02,320 That's the amended language. The project 1544 01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:03,760 is consistent with the goals and 1545 01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:05,120 policies described within the 1546 01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:07,280 governance, land use, and parks and open 1547 01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:09,600 space elements of the general plan. 1548 01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:12,000 These include the following and the 1549 01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:14,560 following thing would be so that that 1550 01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:16,080 additional phrasing is the only 1551 01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:17,520 additional language. 1552 01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:19,430 >> Would you mind repeating that please? 1553 01:16:19,430 --> 01:16:19,440 » Would you mind repeating that please? 1554 01:16:19,440 --> 01:16:22,070 >> Uh, sure. So motion would be to amend 1555 01:16:22,070 --> 01:16:22,080 » Uh, sure. So motion would be to amend 1556 01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:25,679 the the the resolution in the motion 1557 01:16:25,679 --> 01:16:27,990 >> such that uh the second paragraph of 1558 01:16:27,990 --> 01:16:28,000 » such that uh the second paragraph of 1559 01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:31,280 section two reads 1560 01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:33,679 as the proposed sale preserves the 1561 01:16:33,679 --> 01:16:36,159 existing land use designations of open 1562 01:16:36,159 --> 01:16:40,159 space commercial and mixed use and 1563 01:16:40,159 --> 01:16:43,520 recognizes that city landmark number 10 1564 01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:47,520 Hillrest Center is on the property. 1565 01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:49,360 The project is consistent with the goals 1566 01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:51,280 and policies described within the 1567 01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:53,360 governance, land use, and parks and open 1568 01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:55,840 space elements of the general plan. 1569 01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,000 These include the following. That's the 1570 01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:00,560 way it would read. Um, and that's the 1571 01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:03,520 only the only change. Is there any uh 1572 01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:06,960 comments on the amended motion? No. 1573 01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:09,440 Uh, if not, let's uh have a vote on the 1574 01:17:09,440 --> 01:17:12,790 amendment. 1575 01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:14,880 » So, just point of clarification. So the 1576 01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:19,189 the vote is to 1577 01:17:19,199 --> 01:17:21,040 add the amendment to the existing 1578 01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:24,239 motion. Correct. In the resolution, the 1579 01:17:24,239 --> 01:17:26,880 PC resolution. So whether to add that 1580 01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:28,560 language into the existing motion that's 1581 01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:35,430 on the table. That's correct. 1582 01:17:35,440 --> 01:17:37,280 » Commissioner Bus. 1583 01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:39,350 >> Yes. 1584 01:17:39,350 --> 01:17:39,360 » Yes. 1585 01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:41,110 >> Commissioner Tyler Kettle Hut. 1586 01:17:41,110 --> 01:17:41,120 » Commissioner Tyler Kettle Hut. 1587 01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:42,149 >> Yes. 1588 01:17:42,149 --> 01:17:42,159 » Yes. 1589 01:17:42,159 --> 01:17:44,709 >> Commissioner McMahon. 1590 01:17:44,709 --> 01:17:44,719 » Commissioner McMahon. 1591 01:17:44,719 --> 01:17:47,600 You've talked me into it. Yes, 1592 01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:48,630 >> Chair Ferris. 1593 01:17:48,630 --> 01:17:48,640 » Chair Ferris. 1594 01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:50,149 >> Yes. 1595 01:17:50,149 --> 01:17:50,159 » Yes. 1596 01:17:50,159 --> 01:17:52,950 >> The amendment passes 40. Commissioner 1597 01:17:52,950 --> 01:17:52,960 » The amendment passes 40. Commissioner 1598 01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:54,400 Lansen absent. 1599 01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:56,630 >> Thank you. And I I want to thank my 1600 01:17:56,630 --> 01:17:56,640 » Thank you. And I I want to thank my 1601 01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:58,320 fellow commissioners for entertaining 1602 01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:00,880 the discussion. Uh let us now go and 1603 01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:03,600 discuss the amended motion. Uh are there 1604 01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:07,360 any any last comments? 1605 01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:10,719 U I will just say I I'm I I think Mr. 1606 01:18:10,719 --> 01:18:13,280 Maple ended up uh mentioning this right. 1607 01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:15,040 This really is, you've mentioned it's a 1608 01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:17,040 win-win. I do think it is something to 1609 01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:19,760 where this is public land donated to the 1610 01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:22,480 city uh for public use. It is continued 1611 01:18:22,480 --> 01:18:24,960 its public use through this disposition. 1612 01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:29,360 It will continue its public use. Um and 1613 01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:32,960 it is an amazing element of our our city 1614 01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:37,040 and one that uh has historic meaning to 1615 01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:39,280 it as well as continuing community 1616 01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:41,360 involvement as as you know, Fireworks 1617 01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:44,560 Hill. uh and and really something in the 1618 01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:46,719 center of it. I I I'm very happy to 1619 01:18:46,719 --> 01:18:48,880 support the motion and I'm very again 1620 01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:50,880 thankful for the opportunity to 1621 01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:53,199 recognize these important historic 1622 01:18:53,199 --> 01:18:56,159 elements that the city has where I mean 1623 01:18:56,159 --> 01:18:59,199 what where are we now is 60 how many 1624 01:18:59,199 --> 01:19:04,080 years 62 coming up on and you know 1625 01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:05,679 getting to a point where it's a century 1626 01:19:05,679 --> 01:19:07,360 like we've been around for a while you 1627 01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:10,159 know and I think it's nice that we're 1628 01:19:10,159 --> 01:19:12,640 able to to do this and share it within 1629 01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:16,719 our uh our U sisterly government 1630 01:19:16,719 --> 01:19:18,880 agencies to be able to keep this uh 1631 01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:21,360 preserved. So, any final questions or 1632 01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:24,159 comments? Commissioner Bus. 1633 01:19:24,159 --> 01:19:26,390 >> Um I agree with everything that's been 1634 01:19:26,390 --> 01:19:26,400 » Um I agree with everything that's been 1635 01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:28,080 said. Another thing that hasn't been 1636 01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:30,480 touched on is that there's plays that go 1637 01:19:30,480 --> 01:19:32,880 on at this center. You know, there's a 1638 01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:35,840 art shows. So maintaining that as a 1639 01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:37,360 space for that as well, which I know 1640 01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:40,960 CRPD will do and has been doing um is is 1641 01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:43,679 great for me because and the community 1642 01:19:43,679 --> 01:19:45,360 because culturally, you know, to have 1643 01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:46,719 where our children can put on these 1644 01:19:46,719 --> 01:19:48,480 plays that are actually quite well done. 1645 01:19:48,480 --> 01:19:50,640 I recommend going and seeing one. The 1646 01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:52,960 writing's pretty funny for the age 1647 01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:54,960 group. But yeah, so I'm very pleased 1648 01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:57,840 that uh for the next 30 years at least, 1649 01:19:57,840 --> 01:19:59,679 we hopefully will maintain this space. 1650 01:19:59,679 --> 01:20:01,840 And I know that the the park setting 1651 01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:03,760 will be maintained as well as trails 1652 01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:06,800 because I know CRPD is big on that. So 1653 01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:09,280 very happy that the city and CRPD were 1654 01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:12,640 able to come to this. So 1655 01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:15,430 >> final final options. 1656 01:20:15,430 --> 01:20:15,440 » final final options. 1657 01:20:15,440 --> 01:20:18,719 Let's go for a vote. 1658 01:20:18,719 --> 01:20:19,990 >> Commissioner Bus, 1659 01:20:19,990 --> 01:20:20,000 » Commissioner Bus, 1660 01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:20,470 >> yes. 1661 01:20:20,470 --> 01:20:20,480 » yes. 1662 01:20:20,480 --> 01:20:21,990 >> Commissioner Tyler Kettlehhat, 1663 01:20:21,990 --> 01:20:22,000 » Commissioner Tyler Kettlehhat, 1664 01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:22,630 >> yes. 1665 01:20:22,630 --> 01:20:22,640 » yes. 1666 01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:23,830 >> Commissioner McMahon, 1667 01:20:23,830 --> 01:20:23,840 » Commissioner McMahon, 1668 01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:24,470 >> yes. 1669 01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:24,480 » yes. 1670 01:20:24,480 --> 01:20:25,350 >> Chair Ferris, 1671 01:20:25,350 --> 01:20:25,360 » Chair Ferris, 1672 01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:26,470 >> yes. 1673 01:20:26,470 --> 01:20:26,480 » yes. 1674 01:20:26,480 --> 01:20:29,110 >> Motion carries 40. Commissioner Lson 1675 01:20:29,110 --> 01:20:29,120 » Motion carries 40. Commissioner Lson 1676 01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:29,760 absent. 1677 01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:31,110 >> All right. Thank you. Uh there's no 1678 01:20:31,110 --> 01:20:31,120 » All right. Thank you. Uh there's no 1679 01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:33,120 appeal period on this since it's going 1680 01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:35,360 to the city council. 1681 01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:39,360 Um thank you all. Uh let's now go to we 1682 01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:41,040 don't have any department reports this 1683 01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:42,960 evening. Um now's the time for 1684 01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:45,679 commission comments and or any AB 1234 1685 01:20:45,679 --> 01:20:47,760 reports. Are there any comments from 1686 01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:50,560 fellow commissioners? 1687 01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:53,360 No. Uh Miss Eliah Melicker, are there 1688 01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:54,800 any follow-up items, announcements, or 1689 01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:56,560 upcoming issues? 1690 01:20:56,560 --> 01:21:00,070 >> Uh yes. Tomorrow evening, uh, city 1691 01:21:00,070 --> 01:21:00,080 » Uh yes. Tomorrow evening, uh, city 1692 01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:03,280 council will consider 40143 1693 01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:06,320 Hillrest, uh, 1694 01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:08,159 disposition and transfer of city- owned 1695 01:21:08,159 --> 01:21:10,159 property that you just considered right 1696 01:21:10,159 --> 01:21:13,040 now. a letter of public convenience or 1697 01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:15,520 necessity from Department of Alcoholic 1698 01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:18,159 Beverage Control for the sale of alcohol 1699 01:21:18,159 --> 01:21:22,159 for consumption of site for one for a 1700 01:21:22,159 --> 01:21:25,199 site at 2150 East Thousand Oaks 1701 01:21:25,199 --> 01:21:28,480 Boulevard. January 27th, city council 1702 01:21:28,480 --> 01:21:30,960 will have two department reports from 1703 01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:32,960 us. There will be a community 1704 01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:35,199 development department update and an 1705 01:21:35,199 --> 01:21:37,520 initiation of a height overlay zone 1706 01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:40,000 change and concurrent processing of 1707 01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:42,239 entitlement to accommodate a 1708 01:21:42,239 --> 01:21:44,960 contemplated rock climbing facility at 1709 01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:48,000 145 West Hillrest Drive. 1710 01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:50,159 And on the consent calendar, there will 1711 01:21:50,159 --> 01:21:53,520 be the first amendment to CSG consulting 1712 01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:55,840 contract for environmental services for 1713 01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:58,560 the downtown project. 1714 01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:00,800 Uh upcoming planning commission items. 1715 01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:03,360 We have on January 26, there will be two 1716 01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:05,199 public hearings. 1717 01:22:05,199 --> 01:22:07,360 One to allow for the operation of a 1718 01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:09,920 religious assembly use within an 1719 01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:12,639 existing industrial building and the 1720 01:22:12,639 --> 01:22:14,800 alternating use of parking facilities 1721 01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:18,080 located in the M1 industrial park zone 1722 01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:23,120 and SP15 Ranchoko Industrial Park area. 1723 01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:26,800 and one for an update to the accessory 1724 01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:30,400 dwelling units and junior accessory 1725 01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:33,440 dwelling units ordinance um as the state 1726 01:22:33,440 --> 01:22:35,920 keeps changing the regulations. And 1727 01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:38,639 that's all I have. 1728 01:22:38,639 --> 01:22:41,110 >> Thank you and thank you all. We'll now 1729 01:22:41,110 --> 01:22:41,120 » Thank you and thank you all. We'll now 1730 01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:43,600 adjourn to the next meeting January 26, 1731 01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:48,280 2026 at 6 PM. Thank you.