1
00:00:19,359 --> 00:00:21,520
We

2
00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:35,320
However, you

3
00:03:07,519 --> 00:03:10,519
Hey,

4
00:06:08,479 --> 00:06:11,560
Heat. Heat.

5
00:07:06,479 --> 00:07:11,080
back.
Heat.

6
00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,440
Heat. Heat.

7
00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:57,360
I will now I will now call to order the
city council meeting. Will Oh, wait.

8
00:17:55,039 --> 00:17:58,960
Will city clerk please call roll.
>> Council member Adams

9
00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,600
» here.
>> Council member Newman

10
00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,760
» here.
>> Council member Gutierrez

11
00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,360
» here.
>> Mayor Prom Angler

12
00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,919
» here.
>> And Mayor Taylor

13
00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:12,400
» here.
Council member Newman is participating

14
00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:16,480
remote in tonight's meeting. Pursuant to
the Brown Act, I must ask Council

15
00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:21,280
Newman, is there anyone who is 18 years
or older with you in the room?

16
00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:26,080
» Mayor Taylor, there is not.
>> Thank you. Tonight, we have one close

17
00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:28,880
session case. Miss Nan, will you please
announce the session?

18
00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:32,240
» Thank you, Mayor Taylor. We have one
close session conference with legal

19
00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:36,240
counsel on anticipated litigation
pursuant to Government Code section

20
00:18:33,679 --> 00:18:40,000
54956.92.
one potential case, a city employee has

21
00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:44,600
alleged age discrimination and
harassment.

22
00:18:41,360 --> 00:18:44,600
» Thank you.

23
00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:50,679
» That's it. All right, we'll see you guys
here shortly.

24
00:25:13,919 --> 00:25:17,080
Hey, hey, hey.

25
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,880
Heat.

26
00:26:42,159 --> 00:26:45,159
Heat. Hey, Heat.

27
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,559
I got

28
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,880
Heat. Heat.

29
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,960
Heat. Heat. N.

30
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,240
Heat. Heat.

31
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,360
Hey,

32
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,120
hey, hey.

33
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,600
Heat.

34
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,480
Heat.

35
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,040
I don't

36
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,960
Heat. Heat.

37
00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:36,119
That's

38
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,200
right.

39
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,320
Heat. Heat.

40
00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:33,720
Heat.

41
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,680
Hey, Heat.

42
00:40:54,240 --> 00:41:00,079
Uh-huh.
Uh-huh.

43
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:03,079
Uh-huh.
Uh-huh.

44
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,599
Heat. Heat.

45
00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:37,720
Hey,

46
00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:44,119
hey, hey.

47
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:48,599
Baby,

48
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,040
hey.

49
00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:14,599
Heat.

50
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:38,119
Hey. Hey. Hey.

51
00:45:55,359 --> 00:45:58,359
3.

52
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:07,960
Hey, hey, hey.
Heat.

53
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,520
Heat.

54
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,280
Heat. Heat.

55
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,440
Wow. Yeah. Yeah.

56
00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:30,079
All

57
00:54:48,079 --> 00:54:51,079
right.

58
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,760
All right.

59
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,079
I got to go.

60
00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:49,800
Heat. Heat.

61
00:56:05,839 --> 00:56:08,839
Hey,

62
00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:17,720
hey, hey.

63
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,480
That's

64
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,920
all.

65
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:51,640
Heat. Heat.

66
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,960
Heat. Heat.

67
01:01:34,559 --> 01:01:37,559
Sound.

68
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:04,040
Heat. Heat.

69
01:02:50,079 --> 01:02:53,079
Heat. Heat. N.

70
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,960
Welcome.

71
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,079
Heat. Heat.

72
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,760
Heat. Heat.

73
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:31,000
Heat. Heat.

74
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:18,360
Hallelujah.

75
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:57,600
We are now back from close session. Miss
Nan, is there anything for you to

76
01:17:57,040 --> 01:18:01,040
report?
>> Nothing to report.

77
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:05,640
» All right. If you are able, can you
please stand and join me in the pledge

78
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:05,640
of allegiance?

79
01:18:06,480 --> 01:18:16,080
» Ready? Begin. I pledge algiance to the
flag of the United States of America and

80
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:23,880
to the republic for which it stands. One
nation under God, indivisible, with

81
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:23,880
liberty and justice for all.

82
01:18:26,159 --> 01:18:34,040
» All right. Now we are going to move to
the podium for our special presentation.

83
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:51,920
All right. And I'd like to welcome
Denise and David Belco. Would you guys

84
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:55,159
like to come up?
Thank you.

85
01:19:03,679 --> 01:19:11,600
All right. Uh Denise and David Belco who
are ambassadors for Donate Life. Donate

86
01:19:09,440 --> 01:19:16,320
Life is a nonprofit organ and tissue
donor registry dedicated to saving the

87
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:21,280
lives of thousands of Californians
awaiting life-saving transplants. The

88
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:26,480
Belco family became involved in Oregon
donor advocacy after their son Michael

89
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:30,880
at the age of 20 saved the lives of
eight people through Oregon donation.

90
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:35,600
The city council encourages Thousand
Oaks residents to participate in the

91
01:19:32,719 --> 01:19:40,880
donate life California donor registry
and we are therefore pro proclaiming the

92
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:46,480
month of April as DMV. Donate lifec
california month organ donation turns

93
01:19:43,679 --> 01:19:50,400
loss into legacy and you can register at
donatelifec california.com.

94
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:53,520
Is there anything you guys would like to
say?

95
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:58,960
» No. Okay. Thank you guys. We appreciate
you. Here is the proclamation. And would

96
01:19:57,679 --> 01:20:04,280
you guys come up and take a photo with
our council?

97
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:04,280
» Can I invite council up for a photo?

98
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:44,640
All

99
01:20:58,480 --> 01:21:06,480
right. Now, and now we have our final
presentation of the evening. I'd like to

100
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:10,239
introduce Natasha Burn from the library.
She is going to tell us about the

101
01:21:07,679 --> 01:21:13,679
library's one city, one book selection
for the year.

102
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:17,920
Good evening, Mayor Taylor and council
members. I'm Natasha Buron, a librarian

103
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:22,880
at the Thousand Oaks Library and
committee chair for Thousand Oaks Reads,

104
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:27,520
One City, One Book. I am pleased to be
here tonight to announce the 2026 title.

105
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:32,000
The Friends of the Library have been
supporting this program for 18 years and

106
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:37,679
we are just so thankful for their
generous support. If you are unfamiliar

107
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:42,480
with One City, One Book, it is a
citywide literary event that encourages

108
01:21:40,480 --> 01:21:48,000
community members to collectively read
and discuss a selected book.

109
01:21:45,440 --> 01:21:54,560
One City, One Book is really built on a
simple but powerful idea that books

110
01:21:51,679 --> 01:21:59,600
bring people together. Stories have this
unique way of helping us connect, start

111
01:21:57,199 --> 01:22:04,159
meaningful conversations, and feel a
little more rooted in our community.

112
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:08,880
Each year, this program reminds us that
the library isn't just a place to check

113
01:22:06,239 --> 01:22:14,480
out books. It's a vibrant gathering
space where culture, ideas, and people

114
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:19,600
come together. In just the past three
years, more than 4,500 people have

115
01:22:17,679 --> 01:22:23,520
participated in one city, one book
events, and that kind of engagement is

116
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:28,239
just so exciting for us, and it
motivates us to keep growing and serving

117
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:34,080
our community through this program.
I am pleased to announce that The Fox

118
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:40,480
Wife by Yang Xi Chu was selected as the
2026 title. New York Times best-selling

119
01:22:37,679 --> 01:22:45,679
author Yang Shi Chu brilliant
brilliantly explores a world of mortals

120
01:22:43,199 --> 01:22:50,159
and spirits, humans and beast, and their
dazzling intersections. Blending

121
01:22:48,159 --> 01:22:54,960
historical fiction and folklore, The
Foxwife follows Bao, a detective

122
01:22:52,639 --> 01:22:58,880
investigating the death of a cortisone,
and a mysterious servant named Snow, a

123
01:22:57,199 --> 01:23:03,840
fox spirit seeking vengeance for the
loss of her child on a journey through

124
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:07,840
China and Japan.
We in we invite you to kick off this

125
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:12,639
year's one city, one book with a free
concert at the Grant Art Burmhal Library

126
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:17,440
on Saturday, March 28th, featuring
internationally acclaimed and

127
01:23:14,159 --> 01:23:23,760
award-winning artist Bay Mter. The Gu
Jang is a 21 string traditional Chinese

128
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:28,159
zither with a history of 2500 years.
Joined by guitarist John Montter, the

129
01:23:25,679 --> 01:23:33,120
duo will present an evening of
contemporary fusion works. In the

130
01:23:31,199 --> 01:23:36,800
following weeks, the workshops programs
inspired by the book will continue

131
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:42,000
culminating with an afternoon with with
Yang Xi Chu on Sunday, April 26 at 2

132
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:46,719
p.m. upstairs at the Fred Cavley Theater
with a Q&A and book signing. Books are

133
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:50,719
available in paperback, large print,
ebook, and e audiobook and will be

134
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:56,400
available to borrow starting tomorrow at
the library. Uh this event is free.

135
01:23:53,679 --> 01:24:00,000
Seating is first come first serve and uh
if the public would like to know more

136
01:23:58,239 --> 01:24:05,040
information, they can go to tool
library.org or call us at the library.

137
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:09,199
Through one city, one book, we aim to
bring together diverse voices and

138
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:14,719
viewpoints through a thoughtful exchange
of ideas. A guiding principle that

139
01:24:12,480 --> 01:24:19,120
drives this program is the belief that
when we open a book together, we close

140
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:22,880
it in greater harmony. With
appreciation, uh we would like to leave

141
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:27,760
a copy of the Foxwife with each council
member and invite you and all the

142
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:32,480
community members to participate in the
2026 one city, one book program. Thank

143
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:35,280
you so much for your time today,
>> Natasha. Thanks for being with us

144
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:38,080
tonight and sharing about the reading
program.

145
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:42,159
» Thank you so much.
Next up is public comments. Will city

146
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:45,920
clerk please announce them?
>> This is the time and place for public

147
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:49,280
comments. Speakers are requested to
state their name and community of

148
01:24:47,440 --> 01:24:53,440
residents for the record. Two
individuals have requested to speak and

149
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:56,800
pursuant to council standards. Speakers
are allowed three minutes. The yellow

150
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:59,760
light displays when you have one minute
remaining.

151
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:02,880
And
>> city clerk, are you able to call in the

152
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:07,760
names? I I don't have them in front of
me.

153
01:25:05,440 --> 01:25:10,760
» Yes. Our first speaker tonight is
Scarlet.

154
01:25:20,639 --> 01:25:27,760
Greetings, council. I'm Scarlet from
Thousand Oaks, and I have a seven

155
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:32,239
syllable word for you, and that is
semiquincential.

156
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:40,239
Semi for half, Quinn for five, and
centennial for 100. So, of course, half

157
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:48,400
of 500 equals 250. And so, as you know,
we're embarking on our 250th year uh

158
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:53,280
birthday of America. And with that, um
I'd like to in the spirit of that uh

159
01:25:50,800 --> 01:26:00,080
kind of revisit a little bit of our
nation's history and traditions of

160
01:25:55,679 --> 01:26:06,320
America. So 1776, the Declaration of
Independence was signed by 56 very

161
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:12,560
courageous men, lives, fortune, seek,
sacred honor, all of that. Well, did you

162
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:21,040
know that half, actually more than half
of those 56 had a degree in um ministry.

163
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:24,960
They were all um also seminary degrees
from universities.

164
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:29,520
The declaration signer Francis
Hopkinson. This is what's fun about it.

165
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:35,600
We get to rendeboo with our founding
fathers. Francis Hopkinson actually

166
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:41,600
created and designed the great seal of
America. He actually served as one of

167
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:50,000
our first judges, federal judges, and he
was also the uh choir and uh music

168
01:26:46,480 --> 01:26:56,960
director for Christ Church in uh
Philadelphia. He wrote America's very

169
01:26:53,760 --> 01:27:04,800
first hymn book and he also set the
entire book of Psalms to music. And so

170
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:09,360
um I could give you so many examples of
the faith of our founding fathers, but

171
01:27:06,480 --> 01:27:16,320
I'm going to move on now to 1814.
Francis Scott Key as we all know

172
01:27:12,639 --> 01:27:23,520
probably that he wrote our nation's uh
and na national anthem. And did you know

173
01:27:19,440 --> 01:27:31,440
that in the fourth stanza of that book
he uh actually had written um

174
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:37,920
and this be our motto
in God be our trust. So, um I don't have

175
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:43,040
um too much more time here, but I did
want to mention that uh the commander of

176
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:50,400
the Allied Forces of World War II.
Um we have um Dwight Eisenhower who

177
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:56,320
officially set our national motto as in
God we trust. And so um there has been a

178
01:27:53,760 --> 01:28:01,520
lack of honoring our nation's history
and tradition. And with that, I wanted

179
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:07,440
to let you know that our sister cities
of Port Weini and Phil Filillmore have

180
01:28:04,639 --> 01:28:11,920
both adopted our national motto and it
resides in their council chambers. And

181
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:17,280
with that, I would love to request that
the city of Thousand Oaks also honor the

182
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:25,000
history and tradition of America and
place those words in God we trust in our

183
01:28:20,239 --> 01:28:25,000
council chambers here. Thank you.

184
01:28:27,199 --> 01:28:34,800
Thank you, Scarlet. Next up, we have
Madison Richardson on Zoom.

185
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:37,760
» Hello. Can you hear me?
>> We can. Go ahead.

186
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:43,040
» Okay, great. Uh, my name is Madison
Richardson. I'm from Newbury Park. Um,

187
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:49,120
just to
uh continue on the last speaker, um, I

188
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:54,480
would also like to honor our traditions
as America and um, keep church and state

189
01:28:52,480 --> 01:29:00,000
separated, but that's not what I'm here
for. Um, today I want to talk about how

190
01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:04,400
we are fortunate to live in a city that
historically defines itself um, by how

191
01:29:02,239 --> 01:29:08,480
we support one another. We saw that
unity during the fires. We saw it in the

192
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:12,080
wake of borderline tragedy. We are
community more than capable of standing

193
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:16,800
together. Yet when the topic of federal
immigration enforcement arises, we see a

194
01:29:14,159 --> 01:29:21,440
shift towards needless division. Whether
one supports ISIS mission or not, the

195
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:26,639
reality of their current operations is
by any metric unstable. We are seeing a

196
01:29:24,159 --> 01:29:31,199
massive $ 38 billion detention
re-engineering initiative unfold in real

197
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:35,360
time. Just today it was confirmed the
core civic facility in Kern County, the

198
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:39,920
largest in California, has received
official permission to expand. This

199
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:45,280
isn't a distant federal issue. It's a
local reality. This expansion signals

200
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:49,840
that these operations are accelerating,
bringing with them documented financial

201
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:53,840
hardships for our agricultural sector
and a climate of fear that affects our

202
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:57,679
neighbors daily. The residents who come
before you to share these concerns

203
01:29:55,440 --> 01:30:02,159
aren't driven by ulterior motives. They
are driven by empathy and a belief that

204
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:06,400
our city can always strive to be better.
I fear that silence from the majority of

205
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:10,480
this council allows contention to breed.
We look for we look to our leaders for

206
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:15,040
clarity and guidance, especially when
navigating the complex intersection of

207
01:30:12,480 --> 01:30:18,320
federal enforcement and local privacy.
We need to move beyond political

208
01:30:16,480 --> 01:30:22,239
divisiveness and towards a healthy
transparent discussion about how we

209
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:26,400
protect our city's resources and our
residents peace of mind. I hope we can

210
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:30,800
lead with the same unity we show during
times of crisis, ensuring our policies

211
01:30:28,639 --> 01:30:35,920
reflect the character of the city we
love. Thank you.

212
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:42,400
» Thank you, Madison. Next is consent
calendar. Does anyone have any questions

213
01:30:38,159 --> 01:30:45,440
or would like to pull anything?
Uh with no discussion, would anybody

214
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:47,840
like to make a motion?
>> Mr. Mayor, we do have one speaker on

215
01:30:47,199 --> 01:30:52,800
this item.
>> Oh, we do.

216
01:30:50,159 --> 01:30:56,239
» I'm not seeing that. Do you? Um, yes, we
have John.

217
01:30:53,600 --> 01:31:00,719
» John. Okay.
>> Hello, city council.

218
01:30:58,639 --> 01:31:06,320
I just want to clarify something I said
last council meeting regarding the ADUs

219
01:31:04,159 --> 01:31:14,320
and the Constitution of the United
States and our oaths of office. I had

220
01:31:10,239 --> 01:31:18,239
said two weeks ago that
you guys are violating your oath of

221
01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:24,719
office and the Constitution of the
United States with article 1 section 10

222
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:28,320
where it says no state shall make a law
which impairs the obligation of

223
01:31:26,239 --> 01:31:32,880
contracts.
With regard to ADUs, we're talking about

224
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:38,560
CCRs, covenant, covenants, conditions,
and restrictions

225
01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:44,719
where Assembly Bill 670
says to ignore those with regard to

226
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:50,159
building an ADU.
Now, when I said that um

227
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:54,159
we're all violating our oath, and I
turned around and I said we all are

228
01:31:51,760 --> 01:32:01,440
violating our oath and the Constitution,
what I really meant to say was

229
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:06,480
we're all partly to blame
for allowing and tolerating those

230
01:32:04,239 --> 01:32:13,840
violations to happen and not speaking
up. So, that's really what I meant to

231
01:32:08,639 --> 01:32:21,760
say. I just wanted to clarify that. Um,
and in regard to the ADUs, I want to

232
01:32:17,679 --> 01:32:26,960
also reiterate, I'm not an ADU hater.
I think they're cute. They're actually

233
01:32:23,199 --> 01:32:33,760
kind of fun. But when it comes to a
neighborhood where they have CCRs

234
01:32:30,719 --> 01:32:41,600
that says you cannot have those things
like an ADU an an additional dwelling,

235
01:32:37,679 --> 01:32:47,840
we should follow that contract. And
I'm I have a question and that that is

236
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:54,239
do you think your constituents would
like full disclosure that

237
01:32:51,840 --> 01:33:00,800
in the processing of building an ADU in
that case where the CCR is prohibited.

238
01:32:58,719 --> 01:33:06,560
I I'm wondering if they would like to
have full disclosure that the law that

239
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:11,360
supports it is unconstitutional
because if they're not being told that

240
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:16,320
this is true,
they're opening themselves up to a

241
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:20,800
lawsuit by their neighbors.
And I've seen some ADUs where there's a

242
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:24,800
bunch of cars out front and it's getting
really crowded.

243
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:31,280
And you know, there's other issues. it's
just, you know, violating the CCRs

244
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:35,840
and I think it's just a matter of time
before this starts to happen where they

245
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:40,480
start suing their neighbors and and it
starts to cause a problem. So, I think

246
01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:44,800
the disclosure in the application
process would be appropriate to just

247
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:49,040
tell people, hey, keep an eye on your
CCRs, check them out. And you guys know

248
01:33:47,199 --> 01:33:57,639
I love you. I'm just trying to protect
you and our city, and I appreciate you.

249
01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:57,639
So, thank you. God bless.

250
01:34:00,480 --> 01:34:09,520
» John, being in the real estate industry,
you you are the first person I've ever

251
01:34:04,239 --> 01:34:14,080
heard call ADUs cute and fun.
Um, okay. Now, moving back to consent

252
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:19,000
calendar. Still nothing to discuss. Will
somebody move or put a motion up?

253
01:34:20,320 --> 01:34:26,480
» No comments on from staff. I'm happy to
move consent

254
01:34:25,440 --> 01:34:31,520
» all parts of it.
>> City clerk, can you call the vote?

255
01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:34,000
» Council member Adam,
>> yes.

256
01:34:32,239 --> 01:34:36,480
» Council member Newman,
>> hi.

257
01:34:34,639 --> 01:34:38,239
» Council member Gutierrez,
>> yes.

258
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:39,679
» Mayor Prom Angler,
>> yes.

259
01:34:38,639 --> 01:34:42,800
» And Mayor Taylor,
>> yes.

260
01:34:40,159 --> 01:34:46,080
» And that motion passes 5 to zero. And
your ordinance title is an ordinance

261
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:50,719
amending the Thousand Oaks Municipal
Code relating to regulation of accessory

262
01:34:48,480 --> 01:34:56,639
dwelling units, ADUs, and junior
accessory dwelling units, JADUs,

263
01:34:53,840 --> 01:35:03,360
updating Title 9, Chapter 4, Article 45,
Accessory Dwelling Units to be

264
01:34:58,320 --> 01:35:09,600
consistent with state law MCA 2025-7003,
ordinance number 1747- NS.

265
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:13,760
» Thank you. Next up, we have our public
hearing. Oh, no. I'm excuse me.

266
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:22,000
Next we have tonight's department
report.

267
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:24,639
» No, you were right, Mr. Mayor. No, I was
right. I was right. You're

268
01:35:23,679 --> 01:35:28,560
» right. It's public hearing.
>> There we go. It is public hearing. All

269
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:33,760
right.
Will city clerk please open the hearing?

270
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:38,320
Hearing advertised as required by law is
open to consider agenda item number 10A

271
01:35:36,639 --> 01:35:41,320
mixed use development amendment
SP2025-7003

272
01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:45,800
Dagger 2025-00005

273
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:48,840
DP2025-70019

274
01:35:49,440 --> 01:35:56,320
applicant is Lato Hillrest LLC speakers
are requested to state their name and

275
01:35:54,560 --> 01:36:00,560
community of residence one person has
presented a speaker card and pursuant to

276
01:35:58,159 --> 01:36:04,880
council standard that speaker is allowed
5 minutes. The yellow light displays

277
01:36:02,719 --> 01:36:09,199
when you have 1 minute remaining.
>> Thank you. Presenting the item tonight

278
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:12,719
is senior planner Justine Kendall. And
available for questions, we have our

279
01:36:11,360 --> 01:36:17,440
community development director Kelvin
Parker, assistant city attorney Null

280
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:25,400
Doran, and deputy community development
director Fabiola Za Melicher.

281
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:25,400
Uh take it away, staff.

282
01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:34,360
» Good evening, mayor. Um, council
members, members of the public,

283
01:36:37,520 --> 01:36:43,120
as you just heard, the item before the
city council for this evening's

284
01:36:40,480 --> 01:36:49,719
consideration are amendments to specific
plan 24 and development agreement

285
01:36:46,719 --> 01:36:49,719
2022-70777-dagr

286
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:58,520
as well as a major modification, a
development permit 202270773-

287
01:36:59,119 --> 01:37:06,480
-p originally approved by city council
in July of 2023 that would allow changes

288
01:37:04,719 --> 01:37:12,119
to facade design and materials for the
project approved at 2150 West Hill Crest

289
01:37:09,119 --> 01:37:12,119
Drive.

290
01:37:12,480 --> 01:37:19,320
Uh to provide a quick overview of uh
what was already approved in 2023.

291
01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:26,560
The project site consists of one parcel
totaling 8.28 gross acres. The map on

292
01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:31,520
your screen provides an aerial view of
the site showing the previously existing

293
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:35,600
vacant office and surface bike parking
which have since been demolished. The

294
01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:40,400
project site is surrounded by developed
urban uses and generally located north

295
01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:44,719
of US 101, east of Rancho Kaneo
Boulevard and a Chevron automobile

296
01:37:42,480 --> 01:37:49,760
service station, south of Hillrest Drive
and the Amgen Industrial Business Campus

297
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:53,679
and west of an existing multif family
apartment complex. The project is

298
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:59,080
currently under construction for aspects
of the development that are unaffected

299
01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:59,080
by the subject request.

300
01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:05,920
The subject request involves
modifications to various aspects of the

301
01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:10,960
project approved by city council which
included the entitlements listed here.

302
01:38:08,639 --> 01:38:15,360
The general plan amendment, zone change,
protected tree permit, and special use

303
01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:18,960
permit are are not uh proposed to be
amended.

304
01:38:17,119 --> 01:38:24,199
However, the specific plan, development
agreement, and development permit um are

305
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:29,920
the approved project is characterized by
a multif family mixeduse development

306
01:38:28,560 --> 01:38:35,440
that includes an internal
pedestrianoriented roadway separating

307
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:40,400
two buildings which would contain 333
multifamily residential units including

308
01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:46,000
30 very lowincome affordable units and
three moderate income affordable units.

309
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:50,800
common areas and amenities. 5,300 gross
square feet of commercial retail and

310
01:38:48,639 --> 01:38:56,639
restaurant space above semi-ubterane
parking structures containing a total of

311
01:38:52,800 --> 01:39:01,920
462 parking spaces as well as 121
surface parking spaces. The Northerly

312
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:06,639
building fronting on West Hillrest Drive
or also known as building A is the

313
01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:10,320
mixeduse building with three levels of
apartments above a ground floor of both

314
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:15,119
residential units, amenities, and
commercial tenant spaces. Building B

315
01:39:13,040 --> 01:39:19,199
includes residential uses which appear
as four other larger buildings on the

316
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:23,199
site connected by various walking paths,
breezeways, and bridges. The smaller

317
01:39:21,360 --> 01:39:28,639
building incorporated into building B
will house the leasing and property

318
01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:32,080
management office. Additional indoor and
outdoor amenities are provided to the

319
01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:37,040
residents throughout the site, including
a playground, swimming pool, courtyards

320
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:40,440
with active play spaces, roof decks, and
a dog park.

321
01:39:41,119 --> 01:39:47,199
As approved, the project's architectural
design is a modern style. The exterior

322
01:39:45,440 --> 01:39:51,600
walls of the building are earthtoned
colors primarily consisting of stucco

323
01:39:49,199 --> 01:39:56,320
finishes, simulated wood fiber cement
panels, brick veneer, multi-panel window

324
01:39:54,159 --> 01:40:00,159
areas with dark bronze trim, awnings,
and trelluses.

325
01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:04,000
The northern building, again, building A
located behind an existing landscape

326
01:40:02,159 --> 01:40:07,840
burm with protected oak trees to remain
in place, includes significant

327
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:12,400
articulation and massing brakes seen
here. Building A also features a public

328
01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:16,080
seating area on the ground floor in
front of the commercial units and

329
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:20,760
material changes at the driveway entries
to encourage pedestrian safety and

330
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:20,760
activity.

331
01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:26,960
The southern building, building B,
includes similar materiality and

332
01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:30,560
articulation throughout, although to a
lesser degree than building A. The

333
01:40:29,119 --> 01:40:35,280
southern facads of the building are
visible from the 101 freeway and as

334
01:40:33,520 --> 01:40:39,520
approved are required to incorporate
additional brick veneer somewhere on

335
01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:44,199
each sub building subject to review and
approval by the community development

336
01:40:41,199 --> 01:40:44,199
department.

337
01:40:45,920 --> 01:40:52,239
The development agreement is a contract
between uh the property owner and the

338
01:40:50,159 --> 01:40:55,280
city which outlines the private benefits
received by the developer in exchange

339
01:40:53,840 --> 01:41:00,639
for the benefits the project will
provide to the public. In this instance,

340
01:40:57,600 --> 01:41:05,840
the project uh must provide 333 new
residential units, including those 30

341
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:10,159
affordable units, on-site amenities, an
improved city gateway sign, uh

342
01:41:08,159 --> 01:41:14,880
sustainability features, and enhanced
architectural design in exchange for the

343
01:41:12,480 --> 01:41:19,280
adoption of the general plan amendment.
Uh the new specific plan, uh deviation

344
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:25,560
from the city's objective design
standards and stability of some fee and

345
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:25,560
regulatory requirements.

346
01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:32,880
SP20 was approved as part of the
original project because the Thousand

347
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:37,280
Oaks Municipal Code did not include a
mixeduse zoning designation at the time

348
01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:40,480
of approval. A specific plan is a
document designed to implement policies

349
01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:44,800
in alignment with the intent of the
city's general plan and establish custom

350
01:41:43,280 --> 01:41:48,880
development and design standards,
permitted land uses, infrastructure

351
01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:52,800
requirements, implementation measures,
and other criteria. These standards are

352
01:41:51,360 --> 01:41:57,040
not required to replicate the Thousand
Oaks Municipal Code requirements since

353
01:41:55,040 --> 01:42:01,760
they are intended to be unique for the
specific development area. It should be

354
01:41:59,679 --> 01:42:06,080
noted that relief from normally required
development standards was was granted as

355
01:42:04,719 --> 01:42:10,880
part of the development agreement
negotiations and specific plan drafting

356
01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:15,199
process. For example, relief from
municipal code building length

357
01:42:12,159 --> 01:42:21,159
restrictions, window inset requirements,
um, and others were all granted as part

358
01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:21,159
of the original entitlement approval.

359
01:42:24,560 --> 01:42:29,600
Uh before I get into each of the
requests included in tonight's item, I

360
01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:34,600
will review a little bit of the process
that led to the approved project just

361
01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:34,600
described.

362
01:42:34,960 --> 01:42:40,239
As part of the typical planning
entitlement review process, the part

363
01:42:38,320 --> 01:42:44,400
that occurs before a project goes to
public hearing. The applicant submits

364
01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:48,719
plans which are refined as staff provide
feed provides feedback. Corrections are

365
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:52,400
made to bring the plans into compliance
with regulatory requirements and

366
01:42:50,400 --> 01:42:56,000
negotiations are held to balance project
specific contexts and operational

367
01:42:54,159 --> 01:43:00,960
requirements with city design
guidelines. In some situations such as

368
01:42:58,719 --> 01:43:05,679
this one, revisions are deferred to the
post approval process and memorialized

369
01:43:03,520 --> 01:43:10,400
as conditions of approval which are
contained within the final resolution

370
01:43:08,639 --> 01:43:14,320
in order to allow an applicant to move
forward to the public hearings. In the

371
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:18,239
instance of the subject project, the
development permit resolution included

372
01:43:16,239 --> 01:43:22,320
specific design modifications as part of
the conditions of approval requiring

373
01:43:20,480 --> 01:43:25,520
revisions to the plan set shown during
the entitlement hearings to be made

374
01:43:23,840 --> 01:43:30,880
during the building permit plan check
process. Other conditions reinforce that

375
01:43:28,480 --> 01:43:34,159
certain aspects of the project must be
maintained as they are particularly

376
01:43:32,480 --> 01:43:37,280
important to the design quality of the
development.

377
01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:40,639
The draft conditions of approval
including the design related

378
01:43:38,480 --> 01:43:43,600
modifications or enforcement conditions
were provided to the applicant in

379
01:43:42,159 --> 01:43:47,360
advance of the public hearing to allow
an opportunity for review and

380
01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:50,000
discussion. The applicant re agreed to
the conditions at the time of planning

381
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:53,440
commission and city council
consideration and the project was

382
01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:57,159
approved subject to the conditions
presented at the hearings.

383
01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:04,560
Many of the conditions of approval
adopted for this project were intended

384
01:44:03,040 --> 01:44:08,480
to ensure consistency with the
guidelines listed here as well as the

385
01:44:06,719 --> 01:44:12,560
new specific plan for the property and
the development agreement. As shown

386
01:44:10,719 --> 01:44:16,320
earlier, the development agreement uh
negotiated by the city and development

387
01:44:14,239 --> 01:44:21,040
team uh present here this evening
included the developer commitment to

388
01:44:18,159 --> 01:44:25,119
provide uh quote enhanced architectural
design with appropriate massing and

389
01:44:22,719 --> 01:44:29,880
scale, extensive articulation, glazing,
and extensive detailing with upgraded

390
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:29,880
materials.

391
01:44:32,480 --> 01:44:37,920
Following planning entitlement approval,
it is then normally expected that plans

392
01:44:36,400 --> 01:44:41,679
submitted for grading and building plan
check review will be modified due to

393
01:44:40,080 --> 01:44:46,239
refinements made during the final
engineering design process, updated

394
01:44:45,040 --> 01:44:50,480
business plan, or financial
considerations, or to comply with the

395
01:44:48,320 --> 01:44:54,639
conditions of approval. During those
review periods, revisions to plans are

396
01:44:52,560 --> 01:44:58,800
categorized as either minor or major
changes. In this case, definitions of

397
01:44:56,960 --> 01:45:02,400
what is considered minor or major were
included in section 10 of the adopted

398
01:45:00,719 --> 01:45:05,600
development agreement.
In particular, the development agreement

399
01:45:04,080 --> 01:45:09,199
specified that changes to building
materials that are not comparable or

400
01:45:07,600 --> 01:45:14,000
better than those included in the
project plans dated May 26, 2023 are to

401
01:45:12,239 --> 01:45:19,440
be considered a major amendment
requiring planning commission review and

402
01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:24,480
city council approval. In April 2025,
following both applicant and staff

403
01:45:21,280 --> 01:45:27,679
identification of 19 design revisions or
in some cases the lack of revisions

404
01:45:26,159 --> 01:45:32,400
which are required by condition of
approval, nine of those uh were

405
01:45:30,080 --> 01:45:35,760
determined to be minor and granted
ministerially per the direction of the

406
01:45:34,080 --> 01:45:40,159
development agreement and 10 were
qualified as major. The applicant

407
01:45:38,159 --> 01:45:44,320
submitted complete applications to
process the requested major design

408
01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:47,760
revisions. Uh that would be the
development permit major modification,

409
01:45:46,400 --> 01:45:52,320
development agreement amendment
application and specific plan amendment

410
01:45:50,159 --> 01:45:55,320
application on December 17th of last
year.

411
01:45:56,880 --> 01:46:02,159
The primary issue before the city
council is whether the requested

412
01:46:00,239 --> 01:46:05,760
architectural modifications maintain
consistency with the enhanced design

413
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:10,800
features and material standards of the
original project approvals, including

414
01:46:08,080 --> 01:46:13,920
resolution number 202343,
which approved the development permit.

415
01:46:12,320 --> 01:46:19,520
subject to the conditions of approval
contained therein specific plan number

416
01:46:17,040 --> 01:46:24,880
24 and the development agreement. The
list of requests is summarized here and

417
01:46:21,600 --> 01:46:28,960
I will go into more detail on each one.
They include uh the removal of approved

418
01:46:27,199 --> 01:46:33,119
trelluses and non-compliance with the
requirement to provide additional

419
01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:36,639
trelluses, installation of external
downspouts rather than internalizing

420
01:46:34,880 --> 01:46:40,800
those downspouts visible from prominent
corners Hillrest Drive or Rancho Kaho

421
01:46:39,119 --> 01:46:45,280
Boulevard as required by condition of
approval number 62.

422
01:46:43,360 --> 01:46:49,040
Provide painted metal doors rather than
the French glass doors shown on the

423
01:46:46,719 --> 01:46:52,560
entitlement plan set or other similarly
decorative doors. This was uh

424
01:46:51,119 --> 01:46:56,239
recommended for approval by planning
commission

425
01:46:54,239 --> 01:47:00,239
uh to substitute painted accent headers
in a complimentary color in place of the

426
01:46:58,480 --> 01:47:03,600
previously specified woodlook trim
headers.

427
01:47:01,840 --> 01:47:08,080
Reduce the total amount of transparency
on the commercial storefront facade of

428
01:47:05,360 --> 01:47:11,840
building A.
Substitute woodframe trim for the

429
01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:15,840
residential window awnings at certain
locations on the fourth floor. uh to

430
01:47:14,480 --> 01:47:19,840
reduce the number of thirdf flooror
awnings from the number required by

431
01:47:17,440 --> 01:47:24,159
condition of approval.
Uh this also was recommended for

432
01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:28,159
approval by planning commission.
uh to remove vertical wood look slack

433
01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:33,280
cladding from prominent elevator tower
facades to provide additional brick

434
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:38,480
veneer on building B sub buildings B1
and B2 only and to provide vinyl framed

435
01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:45,280
windows exclusively rather than the non
vinyl windows required uh by resolution

436
01:47:41,280 --> 01:47:50,119
number 2023 043 and specific plan 24
also recommended for approval by

437
01:47:46,800 --> 01:47:50,119
planning commission

438
01:47:50,239 --> 01:47:58,000
uh to go into more detail for each one
of these a request Quest A is related to

439
01:47:55,440 --> 01:48:01,440
condition number 48 of the adopted
resolution which required several

440
01:47:59,679 --> 01:48:05,440
changes from the plans presented at the
hearings. The provision of shade

441
01:48:03,440 --> 01:48:09,199
structures over common outdoor spaces
was required to maintain or provide

442
01:48:07,679 --> 01:48:13,600
greater visual interest and roof
articulation as well as shade for the

443
01:48:11,199 --> 01:48:17,760
users of such areas. The applicant has
declined to provide additional shade

444
01:48:15,199 --> 01:48:21,760
structures over common rooftop patios
and is requesting to remove those

445
01:48:19,280 --> 01:48:25,040
several that were previously proposed.
Should this request be denied, the

446
01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:29,040
trelluses originally maintained would
need to remain and additional shade

447
01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:33,119
structures would need to be provided.
Um, for instance, at the southern

448
01:48:31,119 --> 01:48:37,159
courtyard at building A and the patio
southwest of building B4.

449
01:48:38,159 --> 01:48:47,320
The plans as approved are shown here.
You can see the top of the trellis uh

450
01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:47,320
within the red outline above building A.

451
01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:52,119
And this is what it would look like
without.

452
01:48:53,199 --> 01:49:00,400
This is where you would see the the
trellis to be provided on building B's

453
01:48:57,199 --> 01:49:04,000
rooftop deck.
And lastly, on the ground floor of

454
01:49:02,320 --> 01:49:09,360
building B in the interior of the
project, the permanent shade structure

455
01:49:05,520 --> 01:49:13,280
is now proposed to be movable furniture.
Condition

456
01:49:11,360 --> 01:49:16,960
of approval number 62 states that
downspouts shall be avoided or concealed

457
01:49:15,280 --> 01:49:21,119
within the building walls at specific
feature corner elements such as the

458
01:49:18,719 --> 01:49:26,320
commercial and retail corner and brick
lobby towers or any facade viewable from

459
01:49:23,199 --> 01:49:29,840
Hillcrest Drive or Ranchoko Boulevard.
Any downspout not concealed within the

460
01:49:28,159 --> 01:49:33,239
building walls must be painted to match
the wall behind.

461
01:49:33,440 --> 01:49:39,119
While the applicant has attempted to
reduce their visual impact, roughly 24

462
01:49:37,119 --> 01:49:43,520
exterior downspouts remain visible from
the facades facing Hillrest Drive and

463
01:49:41,520 --> 01:49:47,880
Rancho Kaneo, which affect the overall
architectural quality of those facades.

464
01:49:48,400 --> 01:49:55,040
The applicant is requesting that nine
exit doors shown here with yellow dots,

465
01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:58,080
primarily serving residents and their
guests be allowed to be painted solid

466
01:49:56,880 --> 01:50:01,600
metal doors, although they were
originally approved to be French glass

467
01:49:59,679 --> 01:50:06,239
doors, as you can see in these
sideby-side images. Condition of

468
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:10,080
approval number 57 specified that exit
doors visible from public streets needed

469
01:50:08,400 --> 01:50:13,520
to be decorative and although the doors
requested to be changed are not visible

470
01:50:11,600 --> 01:50:17,199
from public streets, they are visible
from the internal roadways. As such, it

471
01:50:15,920 --> 01:50:21,920
was determined that this request
qualified as a major modification since

472
01:50:19,360 --> 01:50:25,199
doors serving primary residential and
guest access should generally enhance

473
01:50:23,679 --> 01:50:29,119
the overall quality of the building
design and incorporate decorative

474
01:50:27,040 --> 01:50:34,600
elements and provide visibility for
individuals entering and exiting.

475
01:50:31,600 --> 01:50:34,600
Condition

476
01:50:37,280 --> 01:50:44,000
of approval number 53 as well as the
design standards within specific plan 24

477
01:50:41,920 --> 01:50:48,960
require specific window trim or header
material. These standards were required

478
01:50:46,800 --> 01:50:53,199
as material with heavier, higher quality
materials and more substantial detail,

479
01:50:51,119 --> 01:50:56,480
help create physical and visual depth,
enhancing the overall quality of the

480
01:50:54,800 --> 01:51:00,960
design and adding articulation to the
building facade.

481
01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:06,000
The applicant is meeting their
requirement to inset 36% of all

482
01:51:03,280 --> 01:51:09,920
residential windows, approximately 475
windows. However, they have requested to

483
01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:14,280
provide a painted trim only rather than
a woodlook tile or brick header.

484
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:21,920
Condition of approval number 54 and
specific plan 24 require that 65% of the

485
01:51:20,400 --> 01:51:26,639
commercial storefront facade have a
transparent window area and 3-in recess

486
01:51:24,719 --> 01:51:33,080
requirement. The applicant is meeting
the recess requirement but is requesting

487
01:51:28,480 --> 01:51:33,080
to reduce the transparency to 60%.

488
01:51:34,159 --> 01:51:40,199
The images above show an example of how
this change uh might appear.

489
01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:47,599
Condition of approval number 48 uh sub
requirement E required that additional

490
01:51:45,520 --> 01:51:51,199
awnings be provided to increase visual
interest in articulation throughout the

491
01:51:49,440 --> 01:51:55,360
project and to provide shading to
residents. The first sub requirement for

492
01:51:53,520 --> 01:52:01,080
awnings on the north side of building A
is to be met by the applicant and is not

493
01:51:57,119 --> 01:52:01,080
part of the subject request.

494
01:52:04,000 --> 01:52:09,920
Otherwise, the applicant is requesting
to refrain from providing the required

495
01:52:07,760 --> 01:52:14,560
additional third floor metal awnings and
to prov and to remove awnings previously

496
01:52:12,080 --> 01:52:17,840
provided on the fourth floor level. This
image shows an example of where third

497
01:52:16,159 --> 01:52:21,280
floor awnings are requested to not be
provided. It should be noted that in

498
01:52:19,599 --> 01:52:26,159
some cases the fourth floor awnings are
proposed to remain as approved which is

499
01:52:23,119 --> 01:52:29,679
seen here.
In other instances, the applicant is

500
01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:33,760
requesting to remove awnings previously
provided on the fourth floor and replace

501
01:52:31,440 --> 01:52:38,239
those awnings with wood frame trim. This
change is proposed for the Hillcrest or

502
01:52:35,520 --> 01:52:44,000
north side of building A, the east side
of building A, the Rancho Kanejo or west

503
01:52:41,040 --> 01:52:51,080
side of building B1, the residential or
east side of building B2, and the

504
01:52:46,159 --> 01:52:51,080
freeway or south side of building B3.

505
01:52:52,000 --> 01:52:59,199
The facade as designed to meet uh the
third floor awning requirement

506
01:52:56,800 --> 01:53:04,800
uh can be seen on the left as an example
versus a facade without the third floor

507
01:53:01,040 --> 01:53:04,800
awnings which can be seen on the right.

508
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:11,040
While not specifically called out as a
condition of approval, the applicant is

509
01:53:09,280 --> 01:53:15,520
also requesting to remove woodlike
material cladding from elevator towers

510
01:53:13,280 --> 01:53:20,080
except those which appear on primary
building facades facing public streets

511
01:53:17,280 --> 01:53:24,800
and interior driveways as approved uh
can be seen on the left and as requested

512
01:53:21,840 --> 01:53:28,800
on the right. Specific plan 24 requires
that veneers such as this vertical slot

513
01:53:26,960 --> 01:53:32,639
material turn corners on such building
elements in order to appear more

514
01:53:30,800 --> 01:53:37,880
substantial and authentic and to provide
visual interest from as many

515
01:53:34,080 --> 01:53:37,880
perspectives as possible.

516
01:53:38,960 --> 01:53:45,719
The removals are proposed at all seven
locations shown here in yellow.

517
01:53:46,239 --> 01:53:51,440
Condition of approval number 48, sub
requirement F, required that brick

518
01:53:49,679 --> 01:53:56,560
veneer, which is proposed heavily on
building A, is also included on building

519
01:53:53,440 --> 01:54:00,480
B, sub buildings 1 through 4. Staff
recommended this condition so that the

520
01:53:58,400 --> 01:54:04,480
building facads facing the Rena Freeway
exhibit a similar quality of design to

521
01:54:02,239 --> 01:54:08,159
those facing other roadways. The brick
beneer adds significant value to the

522
01:54:06,400 --> 01:54:11,760
overall sense of authenticity and depth
of quality of the design wherever it

523
01:54:09,760 --> 01:54:14,960
appears. The applicant is requesting
relief from this requirement for the two

524
01:54:13,360 --> 01:54:19,960
southernmost buildings that are visible
from the freeway highlighted here in

525
01:54:16,960 --> 01:54:19,960
yellow.

526
01:54:20,560 --> 01:54:25,199
As part of the development agreement
negotiations, relief from the objective

527
01:54:23,679 --> 01:54:28,639
design standard prohibition of vinyl
windows was provided and only those

528
01:54:26,880 --> 01:54:32,560
windows on the external facing facades
were prohibited from being vinyl framed.

529
01:54:30,880 --> 01:54:35,840
The applicant now seeks complete relief
from this requirement. Although vinyl

530
01:54:34,320 --> 01:54:39,679
windows have been used in other projects
in the city, vinyl window frames may

531
01:54:37,920 --> 01:54:43,520
exhibit different long-term durability
and aesthetic characteristics compared

532
01:54:41,760 --> 01:54:49,440
to aluminum, fiberglass, or wood
alternatives. In addition, uh the their

533
01:54:46,719 --> 01:54:53,760
manufacturer is considered um to be not
environmentally friendly.

534
01:54:51,840 --> 01:54:57,760
Condition of approval number 48 sub
requirement D memorializes this

535
01:54:55,760 --> 01:55:01,800
agreement as do the design standards of
specific plan number 24.

536
01:55:03,119 --> 01:55:09,679
That concludes my review of the
individual requests. Um to further

537
01:55:07,280 --> 01:55:15,040
clarify as some of those uh requests
conflict with the requirements of SP24,

538
01:55:12,560 --> 01:55:18,560
an amendment to SP24 is included as part
of the request to accommodate those

539
01:55:16,560 --> 01:55:22,159
design revisions uh that are not
currently permitted should they be

540
01:55:19,920 --> 01:55:25,520
approved. And the subject development
agreement is requested to remove and

541
01:55:23,840 --> 01:55:29,119
replace the dates of the approved plan
set and specific plan within section

542
01:55:27,520 --> 01:55:32,400
10.1
and remove and replace the conditions of

543
01:55:30,880 --> 01:55:38,199
approval which are included as an
exhibit to that document. The remainder

544
01:55:34,239 --> 01:55:38,199
of the agreement is unchanged.

545
01:55:39,199 --> 01:55:44,080
The adopted specific plan development
agreement and development permit

546
01:55:42,239 --> 01:55:47,599
established architectural standards and
material requirements that formed part

547
01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:51,920
of the basis for the original project
approval. Certain modifications to those

548
01:55:50,080 --> 01:55:56,800
elements are defined as major changes
requiring planning commission

549
01:55:53,760 --> 01:55:59,679
recommendation and city council action.
While the planning commission

550
01:55:57,840 --> 01:56:03,280
recommended several of their requests be
approved, the city council retains final

551
01:56:01,599 --> 01:56:07,520
authority and may approve, deny, or
modify the requested amendments in whole

552
01:56:05,679 --> 01:56:11,920
or in part based on its policy
considerations and findings. In

553
01:56:10,080 --> 01:56:15,920
rendering its decision, city council may
consider whether the proposed revisions

554
01:56:13,760 --> 01:56:18,800
remain consistent with the adopted
specific plan, development agreement,

555
01:56:17,440 --> 01:56:22,880
and design objectives supporting the
original approvals. If city council

556
01:56:20,960 --> 01:56:27,199
agrees to some or all of the requested
revisions, staff will prepare the

557
01:56:24,639 --> 01:56:32,960
appropriate documents and include them
um in a future city council meeting for

558
01:56:30,400 --> 01:56:36,320
final approval. If city council denies
all or part of the requested amendments,

559
01:56:34,480 --> 01:56:40,560
the applicant may submit uh revised
plans for further review. Any future re

560
01:56:38,960 --> 01:56:44,159
revisions would be evaluated to
determine whether they constitute a

561
01:56:42,159 --> 01:56:48,719
minor change under the development
agreement or require additional

562
01:56:45,679 --> 01:56:53,360
discretionary review. That concludes our
presentation. Staff is available for any

563
01:56:50,880 --> 01:56:59,199
questions and I will provide the lists
of requests um for everyone's reference.

564
01:56:57,520 --> 01:57:01,920
» Thank you, Justine. And I'll just
mention Mr. Newman because you're on

565
01:57:00,719 --> 01:57:07,199
Zoom. If you have questions, just put
your hand up there and I'll come to you

566
01:57:03,920 --> 01:57:12,000
from the dis. Any questions for staff?
Um I just need to announce I had an

567
01:57:09,119 --> 01:57:16,400
exparte with one of the u
representatives of the developer.

568
01:57:14,880 --> 01:57:19,800
» With that mention, do you have any
questions for staff?

569
01:57:20,159 --> 01:57:23,639
» Sure.
>> Okay.

570
01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:30,239
The
uh the development agreement mentioned

571
01:57:27,840 --> 01:57:39,760
several different items. Uh specific
plan 24 and some other items are our our

572
01:57:37,440 --> 01:57:45,199
objective our objective building
standards. Were all those in in place

573
01:57:42,239 --> 01:57:49,520
when the when this agreement went into
into effect? In other words, was there

574
01:57:47,360 --> 01:57:53,159
any surprises for anybody involved in
this this agreement?

575
01:57:53,760 --> 01:58:01,280
Uh the conditions of approval
incorporated as an exhibit to the

576
01:57:57,920 --> 01:58:06,719
development agreement um were provided
uh before the hearings and at the

577
01:58:02,639 --> 01:58:12,960
hearings. Um and uh both the conditions
of approval were um after the hearings

578
01:58:10,719 --> 01:58:16,480
are finished. uh an affidavit of
acceptance of conditions is signed by

579
01:58:14,639 --> 01:58:21,920
the applicant and the development
agreement which remained unchanged after

580
01:58:19,119 --> 01:58:25,920
the hearings um was signed and recorded
by the applicant. So I'm not sure if

581
01:58:24,800 --> 01:58:29,920
that answers your question, but there
were no changes postering.

582
01:58:28,159 --> 01:58:34,080
» I just I just noticed when I was reading
through it, there's a lot of references

583
01:58:31,840 --> 01:58:36,560
to to to the documents. I just want to
make sure that they were plainly

584
01:58:35,599 --> 01:58:39,360
visible.
>> Yes.

585
01:58:37,199 --> 01:58:45,520
» Thank you,
>> Mr. Adams. Uh thank you, mayor. Um

586
01:58:42,239 --> 01:58:52,560
speaking of objective standards, um we
have those in place so uh we uh are sure

587
01:58:50,400 --> 01:58:57,440
to get a quality project constructed
here in the city of Thousand Oaks,

588
01:58:54,239 --> 01:59:01,760
right? And uh with the incursions by the
state uh when it comes to housing, our

589
01:58:59,840 --> 01:59:05,840
objective standards, in my opinion, are
even more important.

590
01:59:03,840 --> 01:59:12,320
Hope you would agree with that. Do any
of the requests here counter to our

591
01:59:09,440 --> 01:59:18,159
objective standards?
>> Yes, some of these requests um are or

592
01:59:16,159 --> 01:59:24,480
would not comply with the objective
design standards. Um and you know that

593
01:59:21,679 --> 01:59:28,159
was there were a number of um design
standards that are particular to the

594
01:59:26,239 --> 01:59:32,400
specific plan that are unique to this
project which deviate from the objective

595
01:59:30,639 --> 01:59:37,280
design standards. That was part of the
negotiation process. um during the

596
01:59:34,800 --> 01:59:42,159
entitlement review and took into
consideration the the benefits provided

597
01:59:39,599 --> 01:59:45,520
on on both sides as well as the project
specific context

598
01:59:43,760 --> 01:59:49,040
» and the builder was aware of the
objective standards as we went through

599
01:59:47,840 --> 01:59:52,400
the process. Correct.
>> Yes sir.

600
01:59:50,159 --> 02:00:01,119
» And okay
and u complied initially shall we say?

601
01:59:57,440 --> 02:00:08,719
Correct. But tonight
uh the uh request is to uh void some of

602
02:00:05,679 --> 02:00:12,880
our objective standards. Correct.
>> I would characterize it more as um

603
02:00:10,960 --> 02:00:17,040
deviating from the conditions many of
the conditions of approval which had

604
02:00:14,719 --> 02:00:21,520
already deviated in many ways from the
objective design standards.

605
02:00:19,520 --> 02:00:24,840
» Okay. Thank you
>> Mr. Newman.

606
02:00:27,679 --> 02:00:35,760
» Yes. Thank you, mayor. I want to begin
with a few general questions about the

607
02:00:33,040 --> 02:00:41,119
development agreement process
just so I'm clear on that before getting

608
02:00:37,679 --> 02:00:46,239
to the specific 10 requests retainment
deviations as council member Adam just

609
02:00:43,920 --> 02:00:49,440
characterized them.
When there's a development agreement

610
02:00:47,920 --> 02:00:56,080
negotiated,
is it the case that the city works with

611
02:00:52,400 --> 02:01:02,159
an applicant over a period of time
to come up with a commonly agreed upon

612
02:00:59,760 --> 02:01:07,520
set of conditions, conditions that may
number in the dozens or even the

613
02:01:04,800 --> 02:01:12,639
hundreds, but before before an agreement
is reached, all of that is discussed and

614
02:01:09,920 --> 02:01:18,040
understood. Is that do I more or less
understand that at a 50,000 foot level?

615
02:01:18,880 --> 02:01:27,280
» Yes, that is correct.
>> And further with this specific

616
02:01:24,639 --> 02:01:31,599
development agreement, I watched the
planning commission hearing and Miss

617
02:01:29,440 --> 02:01:38,239
Kendall, thank thank you for your report
there and the one this evening. you at

618
02:01:35,440 --> 02:01:43,760
the planning commission you said
all of those conditions quote formed the

619
02:01:40,639 --> 02:01:48,000
basis for the original approval meaning
there was a meeting of the minds on

620
02:01:46,560 --> 02:01:53,199
every single condition in the
development agreement again is that

621
02:01:50,080 --> 02:01:59,199
understanding correct
>> that's right

622
02:01:55,599 --> 02:02:06,800
» another general question is about the uh
design guidelines that city staff uses

623
02:02:02,960 --> 02:02:11,520
in in coming up with which conditions
the city will and will not accept.

624
02:02:09,840 --> 02:02:17,199
It's it's my understanding, this was
explained to me many years ago, um at

625
02:02:14,639 --> 02:02:23,599
the time there was a licensed architect
on staff named Claudia Pedroso

626
02:02:20,480 --> 02:02:29,599
uh who said whenever there's a plain
surface uh that's that's not broken up,

627
02:02:26,639 --> 02:02:35,920
as a general rule, the city looks for
visual interest. Well, so we'll try to

628
02:02:32,400 --> 02:02:41,360
seek articulation or some decorative
element to break up something plain.

629
02:02:39,040 --> 02:02:46,800
That was the practice 12 years ago. Is
that been in continuous practice uh ever

630
02:02:44,000 --> 02:02:51,520
since then to the current time? Is that
still the practice?

631
02:02:49,679 --> 02:02:56,239
» Yes, I would say that's that's generally
something that we would look out for.

632
02:02:53,679 --> 02:03:00,560
» Okay. Thank you.
I want to follow up on a couple of

633
02:02:58,480 --> 02:03:04,560
suggestions made by the applicant and
I'll I will ask the applicant these as

634
02:03:02,480 --> 02:03:08,639
well, but there were a couple of
suggestions made at the planning

635
02:03:06,000 --> 02:03:14,639
commission hearing. Um,
one was about code requirements with

636
02:03:11,760 --> 02:03:21,760
regard to the amount of glass that was
in place. Um, so my question on that are

637
02:03:19,440 --> 02:03:28,639
are any of the changes the applicant is
requesting here necessary to meet code?

638
02:03:25,360 --> 02:03:32,880
In other words, is is the development
agreement that both parties agreed to

639
02:03:30,480 --> 02:03:37,960
two years ago, is that somehow not
compliant with current building and fire

640
02:03:34,960 --> 02:03:37,960
codes?

641
02:03:38,560 --> 02:03:46,960
» No. the
um anytime that a light for safety or

642
02:03:44,000 --> 02:03:53,280
building code requirement um is in play
that would take priority. Um however, it

643
02:03:50,719 --> 02:03:57,440
is possible um for instance in the case
of um let's say like the metal doors

644
02:03:55,679 --> 02:04:02,480
where the the glass may need to be
reduced in order to comply with the

645
02:03:59,040 --> 02:04:08,560
building code requirement. um the
requirement to provide a decorative

646
02:04:05,760 --> 02:04:14,239
door or something that's comparable or
better. Um, one could still meet that

647
02:04:11,760 --> 02:04:18,639
requirement and as well as the building
code requirement.

648
02:04:16,960 --> 02:04:23,280
» Okay. My next question has to do with
the definition of the word major. Um in

649
02:04:21,520 --> 02:04:27,280
your presentation
you gave a timeline and you said that

650
02:04:25,760 --> 02:04:31,920
that
when development agreements are worked

651
02:04:28,960 --> 02:04:35,920
out even after the agreement is reached
discussions continue between an

652
02:04:33,599 --> 02:04:41,360
applicant and the city and there are
often minor changes made sometimes many

653
02:04:38,320 --> 02:04:48,239
minor changes of when there's a major
change or in this case 10 major changes

654
02:04:44,960 --> 02:04:52,080
that's that's different. So my I have
two questions on that for you. The first

655
02:04:49,920 --> 02:04:57,520
one is,
do any or all of these changes in

656
02:04:54,239 --> 02:05:04,000
staff's expert opinion degrade the
quality of this application of this

657
02:05:01,520 --> 02:05:10,800
project?
>> All of these requests, all 10 requests

658
02:05:06,800 --> 02:05:15,840
um presented this evening um and staff's
estimation were considered to not meet

659
02:05:13,040 --> 02:05:18,239
that threshold of comparable or better.
Um

660
02:05:17,840 --> 02:05:22,639
and
>> and that that by virtue of that that

661
02:05:20,320 --> 02:05:25,280
threshold that is what makes them major
changes. Correct.

662
02:05:23,920 --> 02:05:31,280
» That's correct.
>> Right.

663
02:05:26,560 --> 02:05:38,880
So I'm I'm not aware of any case ever in
the past 12 years of any precedent where

664
02:05:36,639 --> 02:05:44,480
an applicant or developer has come back
to the city and asked to revise a

665
02:05:42,080 --> 02:05:52,159
development agreement with one major
change, let alone 10. Uh is is staff

666
02:05:48,159 --> 02:05:55,400
aware of of a request with major changes
like this?

667
02:05:56,080 --> 02:06:02,320
I'm not familiar of a project that's
gone through a process

668
02:06:00,159 --> 02:06:06,480
like this one is going through.
>> Okay. Thank you. And then my final

669
02:06:04,480 --> 02:06:12,960
question, actually two more questions,
sorry. Um,

670
02:06:10,239 --> 02:06:18,400
in the sequencing of the major changes,
there are 10 of them, lettered A through

671
02:06:15,119 --> 02:06:22,960
J. Is there any sort of hierarchy in
sequencing of

672
02:06:20,800 --> 02:06:28,320
uh
not meeting that that equal or better

673
02:06:25,199 --> 02:06:34,239
threshold like like is J farther away
from that threshold than A or are these

674
02:06:31,199 --> 02:06:38,400
just in random order?
>> I would say they're roughly in order of

675
02:06:36,880 --> 02:06:43,840
um
lesser impact to greater.

676
02:06:41,520 --> 02:06:49,040
So, so J would be the farthest away from
equal or better

677
02:06:46,000 --> 02:06:52,400
and A would be the closest to a a
minimal change, although we're still

678
02:06:50,880 --> 02:06:55,679
calling it major.
>> That's

679
02:06:52,719 --> 02:06:58,400
» is that is it right? Okay, very good.
And then the final question, there was

680
02:06:57,199 --> 02:07:04,719
some discussion at the planning
commission on

681
02:07:00,639 --> 02:07:10,560
the nature of vinyl materials in windows
and whether

682
02:07:07,760 --> 02:07:18,079
not whether vinyl is improved. I I would
agree uh that it has, but rather whether

683
02:07:14,320 --> 02:07:23,360
whether its lifespan and its
sustainability was equal to or better

684
02:07:20,960 --> 02:07:29,040
than other materials such as wood or
aluminum or something else.

685
02:07:26,639 --> 02:07:32,639
Does staff have an opinion on that?
There were assertions made by the

686
02:07:30,560 --> 02:07:39,440
developer, but I'd like to hear staff's
view on that on that point.

687
02:07:36,159 --> 02:07:43,920
It it depends on the specific brand and
type of vinyl window um that would be

688
02:07:42,079 --> 02:07:49,760
proposed. We don't have the specific
brand provided, but uh in general, vinyl

689
02:07:46,880 --> 02:07:57,840
windows um don't have quite the lifespan
that um the other materials do. Um they

690
02:07:54,400 --> 02:08:02,320
um uh can be less energy efficient. Some
are not, but some are. Um and I would

691
02:08:00,639 --> 02:08:06,560
say that one of the major points and the
reason why um the prohibition of vinyl

692
02:08:04,800 --> 02:08:11,440
windows was included in the objective
design standards um was that the

693
02:08:08,960 --> 02:08:16,079
manufacturing process for vinyl windows
um is not environmentally friendly and

694
02:08:14,239 --> 02:08:21,520
not um necessarily in line with the
city's overall sustainability goals.

695
02:08:19,280 --> 02:08:26,239
» Very good, Miss Kendall. Thank you very
much for for your report and for these

696
02:08:23,360 --> 02:08:31,440
answers. Thank you very much,
>> Mr. Newman. Oh, excuse me, Mr. Angler.

697
02:08:29,679 --> 02:08:36,800
Mr. Newman covered most of what I had to
answer.

698
02:08:33,599 --> 02:08:42,400
» Miss Gutierrez,
>> thank you, Mayor Taylor. Um, thank you

699
02:08:40,239 --> 02:08:47,360
so much for the presentation and the
visuals as they are always necessary to

700
02:08:45,520 --> 02:08:55,280
further my understanding. So, I'm much
appreciative of that. Um,

701
02:08:51,599 --> 02:09:06,199
I'm I may be asking questions just for
uh the public as well. Um, but also to

702
02:08:58,800 --> 02:09:06,199
get direct uh staff responses. Um,

703
02:09:06,320 --> 02:09:15,840
and I feel like uh council member Newman
did a great job of helping me along

704
02:09:12,560 --> 02:09:21,119
here. So, thank you to David on that.
Um,

705
02:09:17,920 --> 02:09:26,560
and these may also be questions I ask
our applicant um because I may seem

706
02:09:23,599 --> 02:09:33,280
repetitive later on. Um so the requested
changes are they from a staff and city

707
02:09:30,239 --> 02:09:39,840
perspective are they necessary for the
feasibility of this project or is there

708
02:09:37,040 --> 02:09:45,440
something some other um driving factor
that I might not be uh directly aware

709
02:09:42,639 --> 02:09:47,440
of?
>> That would be a question for the

710
02:09:46,719 --> 02:09:55,119
applicant.
>> Brilliant. Um,

711
02:09:50,400 --> 02:09:57,599
uh, second, I would love to ask, um, you
know what? I have a feeling these are

712
02:09:56,239 --> 02:10:01,040
all going to be directly for the
applicant, so I'm going to skip ahead.

713
02:09:59,440 --> 02:10:05,239
Um,
I apologize. Um,

714
02:10:07,599 --> 02:10:16,880
here's one that might be a little more
clear for our for for the city lens. Um

715
02:10:14,239 --> 02:10:22,159
and just again just for clarity the
benefits being reduced with do we feel

716
02:10:19,440 --> 02:10:29,119
like the benefits are being reduced with
without an equivalent um

717
02:10:26,639 --> 02:10:35,119
I I want to say give but like return of
what's being asked. I I know that the

718
02:10:31,679 --> 02:10:39,599
process started long ago and as you
mentioned about the specific plan, there

719
02:10:36,960 --> 02:10:44,800
were a lot of exchanges, right? A very
delicate negotiation of this for that

720
02:10:42,800 --> 02:10:51,280
and understanding
um the

721
02:10:48,000 --> 02:10:55,199
the city's interest in creating those
visual

722
02:10:52,880 --> 02:11:00,960
um
aesthetics. Um and as well as thank you

723
02:10:58,560 --> 02:11:08,520
for mentioning the sustainability goals
that we also hold um as a priority and a

724
02:11:04,079 --> 02:11:08,520
goal of the city. Um

725
02:11:09,599 --> 02:11:19,880
yeah. Do we think that now we're getting
too many standard deviations from the

726
02:11:16,400 --> 02:11:19,880
value proposition

727
02:11:19,920 --> 02:11:28,719
to to those exchanges initially? Sorry.
So I I guess and um please let me know

728
02:11:27,360 --> 02:11:34,560
if anybody else wants to answer, but I
would say that um that specific um part

729
02:11:32,560 --> 02:11:38,480
of the development agreement that says
that the project shall provide enhanced

730
02:11:36,320 --> 02:11:44,239
architectural quality and design and
articulation and all that. um the

731
02:11:40,800 --> 02:11:52,000
conditions of approval. Um many of them
were crafted to um more uh specifically

732
02:11:49,599 --> 02:11:56,000
describe how to meet that requirement,
that benefit to be provided to the city.

733
02:11:54,400 --> 02:12:02,400
Um that's included in the development
agreement and um that's what's being

734
02:11:58,480 --> 02:12:09,280
requested um to be changed tonight. Um,
and so, um, I would say that each of

735
02:12:05,760 --> 02:12:15,280
these requests is contributing to maybe
not meeting that benefit that was, um,

736
02:12:12,800 --> 02:12:23,119
uh, approved to be provided.
>> And originally, the approval is like any

737
02:12:19,920 --> 02:12:28,000
contract contingent upon these
agreements following through.

738
02:12:27,520 --> 02:12:33,119
» Yes.
>> Yes. Okay,

739
02:12:30,239 --> 02:12:37,360
that's it. Thank you.
>> All right. Next, we have the applicant

740
02:12:34,639 --> 02:12:44,079
team and they will have 15 minutes to
present and later 15 minutes to rebut.

741
02:12:41,280 --> 02:12:50,639
Excuse me. Five, excuse me, five minutes
for rebuttal. We have Mark Marin from

742
02:12:46,400 --> 02:12:53,639
the Lato Group and Fernando Frisbee from
KTGY.

743
02:12:54,400 --> 02:13:00,520
What is it?
Oh, we have Keith as well.

744
02:13:01,199 --> 02:13:09,280
Good evening. Thank you council members
for having us tonight. Planning staff,

745
02:13:07,199 --> 02:13:13,760
always a pleasure working with you. For
those of you who don't know the Lato

746
02:13:10,719 --> 02:13:19,360
Group, we developed STL, which we're
very proud of. Um we brought Go Fish, we

747
02:13:17,520 --> 02:13:25,199
brought Basta,
uh we brought a Pilates studio, and of

748
02:13:22,159 --> 02:13:31,199
course the latest being Honeyup. And we
intend to do that and more at Hillrest.

749
02:13:27,520 --> 02:13:36,639
So I hope that with Santal you've all
seen that Lato's intentions are to do

750
02:13:34,320 --> 02:13:39,920
nothing but build the highest quality
project. If you go to our in any market

751
02:13:38,400 --> 02:13:43,840
we're in. If you go to our website, you
see the projects we have in Florida,

752
02:13:41,840 --> 02:13:49,199
they are best-in-class in every market
we're in. That being said, we find

753
02:13:46,880 --> 02:13:54,320
ourselves in a very challenging economic
environment. Um that was true before the

754
02:13:52,639 --> 02:13:58,400
situation in the Middle East. It's more
true now. But I want to I'm only going

755
02:13:56,719 --> 02:14:03,840
to make a couple of remarks before KT
KTGY and Keith speaks specifically to

756
02:14:01,199 --> 02:14:07,840
the 10 items. What I'd like to say is
when we first met with planning and I

757
02:14:06,320 --> 02:14:12,320
could totally understand this if I was
sitting on the other side. First

758
02:14:09,679 --> 02:14:17,920
question was why are you here now? You
were approved in July of 23. I think

759
02:14:14,960 --> 02:14:24,560
what people have to understand is that
development is a parallel process. We

760
02:14:21,520 --> 02:14:30,719
have plans. we have a budget because we
have to raise capital. So when we were

761
02:14:27,119 --> 02:14:35,520
approved with the development um uh
agreement,

762
02:14:32,800 --> 02:14:40,800
we still weren't done with plans. So
what we did was we we we have to make

763
02:14:37,920 --> 02:14:46,079
assumptions at that point with a budget.
We're not in an environment where

764
02:14:42,560 --> 02:14:51,280
lenders are particularly, you know, risk
oriented risk-taking today. It's it's

765
02:14:48,320 --> 02:14:55,199
the completely the reverse. So, for
example, windows and I'll I'll start

766
02:14:54,079 --> 02:15:00,480
with windows and probably leave with
windows and leave the rest to Keith.

767
02:14:57,840 --> 02:15:05,840
SL has the same vinyl windows. Your
current MBK project that's being built,

768
02:15:02,560 --> 02:15:11,360
the sanctuary has vinyl windows. The IMT
project has the same vinyl windows.

769
02:15:08,960 --> 02:15:17,199
There would been no reason for us to
assume we couldn't use the same windows

770
02:15:14,239 --> 02:15:21,679
in this project, which is a step up even
from our STL project. There'd be no

771
02:15:19,440 --> 02:15:27,679
reason. There was nothing that was, you
know, in the airwaves, if you will, that

772
02:15:24,000 --> 02:15:34,159
would have given us any sense that a new
design standard was going to take place.

773
02:15:29,760 --> 02:15:37,920
So, it is a $2 million item. And I think
for those of you who understand

774
02:15:35,280 --> 02:15:42,719
development, when we prepare a budget,
and remember lenders look to the

775
02:15:40,560 --> 02:15:47,199
developer and they expect to see as the
budget gets nailed down, but there'll be

776
02:15:45,199 --> 02:15:52,480
very few changes to that. Yes, some
things can change and we set up a

777
02:15:50,560 --> 02:15:57,520
contingency with respect to construction
or hard cost as we call it, which in

778
02:15:54,800 --> 02:16:04,239
this project is $5 million.
The windows alone would wipe out 40% of

779
02:16:01,440 --> 02:16:08,560
that contingency. Lenders look at a
contingency and I can tell you from our

780
02:16:06,000 --> 02:16:12,560
own projects, we have never ever built a
single project without using every

781
02:16:10,159 --> 02:16:17,520
single dollar in that contingency. You
simply cannot forecast with plans

782
02:16:16,079 --> 02:16:22,560
changes in the field that occur where
you have to make changes and they cost

783
02:16:19,599 --> 02:16:28,719
money. So it's money not there are rainy
days but both as as we all know and that

784
02:16:26,480 --> 02:16:35,280
contingency is incredibly important. If
we get wiped out just one of these 10

785
02:16:32,080 --> 02:16:39,920
items takes out two fifths 40% of that
contingency. It is a big deal that will

786
02:16:38,080 --> 02:16:44,240
have rippling effects with the lenders
which is the last thing you know we need

787
02:16:42,319 --> 02:16:48,160
at this point in what is a very
challenging

788
02:16:45,840 --> 02:16:52,319
environment extremely challenging so but
understand that we knew 18 months ago

789
02:16:50,960 --> 02:16:55,359
that there were some things we'd have to
work with planning and I have to say the

790
02:16:54,160 --> 02:16:58,719
planning staff is as good a planning
staff they're better than anybody we've

791
02:16:56,559 --> 02:17:02,080
ever worked in Florida so we have no
issues and nothing but respect for the

792
02:17:00,559 --> 02:17:05,760
planning staff they did their best we
did our best but our development

793
02:17:04,319 --> 02:17:12,319
agreement states specifically
speifically that any changes in design

794
02:17:08,960 --> 02:17:16,080
must come to city council. So you have a
very you have a lot going on in Thousand

795
02:17:14,479 --> 02:17:20,800
Oaks. Hence your city council meetings
are full. This is the earliest we could

796
02:17:18,639 --> 02:17:24,880
get to all of you. It's not like we
didn't know 18 months ago that there

797
02:17:22,960 --> 02:17:28,240
were some things we'd like to see
changed.

798
02:17:26,559 --> 02:17:32,399
Well, windows we didn't know because we
had no reason to assume that we couldn't

799
02:17:29,840 --> 02:17:36,080
use the windows. the rest of the items
I'm going to show you. Yes, there's a

800
02:17:34,160 --> 02:17:39,120
cost aspect to it, but there's also in
some cases you're going to hear

801
02:17:37,120 --> 02:17:45,920
functionality.
We need good public private partnerships

802
02:17:43,040 --> 02:17:50,479
with Thousand Oaks. You want development
going forward. You need more affordable

803
02:17:47,920 --> 02:17:54,719
units. We provided that here. But there
has to be an understanding that our

804
02:17:52,399 --> 02:17:59,040
budgeting process isn't perfect. Our
plans, we did not have construction

805
02:17:56,399 --> 02:18:03,439
drawings when we went to capital to
basically attract it. This took six

806
02:18:01,519 --> 02:18:07,519
months to close and I know you're all
aware of projects that probably are not

807
02:18:05,120 --> 02:18:11,519
going forward here as a result of cost.
Nothing has changed for the better.

808
02:18:09,040 --> 02:18:16,639
Construction costs have gone up. Rates
have not come down. Insurance has not

809
02:18:14,240 --> 02:18:20,479
come down. So, we're tasked with
building a project. It's a $200 million

810
02:18:18,639 --> 02:18:24,319
project that has thousands of pieces to
it. Out of those thousands of pieces

811
02:18:22,639 --> 02:18:30,000
that connect, we're only here tonight
talking about 10 things. And yes, it's

812
02:18:27,599 --> 02:18:33,200
later, but it's not because we woke up
and said, "Let's go retrade with the

813
02:18:31,599 --> 02:18:38,160
city." That is not who we are. We have
never not closed on a land purchase.

814
02:18:35,599 --> 02:18:42,719
We've never retraded a seller at the
11th hour like some people do. We value

815
02:18:40,639 --> 02:18:47,120
our reputation is everything. And we
believe that here with the city with SL,

816
02:18:45,040 --> 02:18:50,479
which was a very different process. We
delivered what we said we were going to

817
02:18:48,800 --> 02:18:54,719
deliver. And we're going to do the same
thing here. When you look at the rents

818
02:18:52,719 --> 02:19:00,800
that we expect to receive and the
tenants we expect to have on the retail

819
02:18:57,200 --> 02:19:04,960
side, we have to deliver a compelling
and beautiful pro project. There is no

820
02:19:03,200 --> 02:19:09,359
substitute for it. The consumer is
discerning. They will know. They will

821
02:19:06,800 --> 02:19:12,399
see the differences. We cannot get the
rents we want without being the best

822
02:19:11,280 --> 02:19:15,200
project in the market. People are
looking to Hillrest to set a new

823
02:19:13,760 --> 02:19:21,359
standard much the same way we did with
Sunl. So I ask again that as you hear

824
02:19:18,800 --> 02:19:25,679
these things, this isn't a developer
coming along and saying, you know what,

825
02:19:24,160 --> 02:19:28,880
we'll come back and renegotiate the
development agreement. That is not

826
02:19:26,960 --> 02:19:33,120
what's happened. We simply have 10
things that is, as I said, out of many,

827
02:19:30,719 --> 02:19:36,399
many things. And and again, we worked
through administratively with staff on

828
02:19:34,880 --> 02:19:40,160
many of them that you didn't even that
are not even being discussed tonight.

829
02:19:38,240 --> 02:19:44,479
But when it comes to design, it has to
come to city council. So I'll wait for

830
02:19:43,040 --> 02:19:48,800
some questions later. I'm going to turn
it over to Keith. But I wanted you all

831
02:19:46,399 --> 02:19:52,880
to just understand this is our second
project in Thousand Oaks. We actually

832
02:19:50,880 --> 02:19:56,960
would have had a third, but for a change
in circumstances with the seller, we

833
02:19:55,200 --> 02:20:01,600
love the city. We love what it stands
for. We love the rigorous design because

834
02:19:59,439 --> 02:20:06,560
it forces us to be to do our very very
best. But we ask tonight that you have

835
02:20:04,240 --> 02:20:11,600
an open mind with respect to what we're
asking for. There's cost, there's

836
02:20:09,040 --> 02:20:14,800
functionality, but most importantly do
not want to be perceived as a group that

837
02:20:13,120 --> 02:20:18,560
comes into retrade agreements. That is
not what we do. We're only here now

838
02:20:16,479 --> 02:20:25,200
because of the process you go through
with planning and their hard work. Our

839
02:20:21,520 --> 02:20:28,960
hard work resulted in 10 items. Major Ma
has to go to city council and this is

840
02:20:26,880 --> 02:20:31,600
the earliest we could be here. So, I
just wanted to make that very clear

841
02:20:30,160 --> 02:20:34,560
because I know that planning the
planning staff had some questions about

842
02:20:32,880 --> 02:20:38,160
that and I would too if I was sitting on
the other side. So, I'm going to turn it

843
02:20:36,800 --> 02:20:42,319
over to Keith as we go through some of
these things. I think you'll see with

844
02:20:39,439 --> 02:20:48,800
vinyl, for example, we don't see any
difference as far as durability, um,

845
02:20:45,520 --> 02:20:53,920
sustain. I mean, durability, aesthetic,
again, it's been used widely through

846
02:20:50,960 --> 02:20:56,880
Thousand Oaks. Where there was a change,
it would have been would have been far

847
02:20:55,280 --> 02:21:01,600
more helpful had we known in advance, we
would have budgeted. But we have no no

848
02:20:59,760 --> 02:21:06,160
ability at this point, especially with
that contingency, which we have to

849
02:21:03,200 --> 02:21:09,760
protect. We've used 2 million of that 5
million already. So, we've used 40% of

850
02:21:08,240 --> 02:21:14,160
the contingency. You add the windows to
it. We have no means by which in the

851
02:21:11,760 --> 02:21:18,240
field to to to make a change or do
something without going extremely over

852
02:21:16,640 --> 02:21:21,600
budget. This is not the environment
where lenders are kind. I can assure you

853
02:21:20,080 --> 02:21:24,399
of that. And it's not unique to us. I
think you could speak to anybody who's

854
02:21:22,960 --> 02:21:29,359
in the development business today how
challenging it is and how difficult it

855
02:21:25,920 --> 02:21:32,600
is to raise capital.
>> Thank you.

856
02:21:32,720 --> 02:21:38,880
Hi, good evening, Mayor Taylor and city
council. My name is Keith McCloskey with

857
02:21:36,800 --> 02:21:43,359
KTGY Architects from Thousand Oaks,
California. And um in addition to some

858
02:21:41,920 --> 02:21:47,840
of the background that Mark provided
this evening, I just wanted to take a

859
02:21:45,439 --> 02:21:52,240
moment to uh focus on some of the
details uh of what Justine was

860
02:21:49,760 --> 02:21:57,640
presenting and some of the architectural
um backup or justification for some of

861
02:21:54,399 --> 02:21:57,640
those changes.

862
02:22:07,840 --> 02:22:14,399
So, in terms of the changes that we're
speaking about tonight, we kind of broke

863
02:22:11,840 --> 02:22:18,800
them out into three separate buckets or
um groups of changes that we're

864
02:22:16,160 --> 02:22:24,080
proposing to the project. Um again, as
Justine mentioned earlier this evening,

865
02:22:21,200 --> 02:22:28,880
there's a number of um changes that are
related to the specific plan that was

866
02:22:26,800 --> 02:22:34,960
adopted into the project. So, when it
comes to objective design guidelines for

867
02:22:31,680 --> 02:22:39,200
the citywide standards, um the specific
plan that was proposed and ultimately

868
02:22:37,200 --> 02:22:43,040
approved by city council previously,
SP24,

869
02:22:40,800 --> 02:22:47,920
um presents this specific project for
this specific site and uh what was

870
02:22:46,000 --> 02:22:52,319
proposed by the developer at the time.
So, there were deviations from objective

871
02:22:50,800 --> 02:22:57,520
standards for things like maximum
building length, um where massing

872
02:22:54,800 --> 02:23:03,359
stepbacks, um plane breaks, etc. would
occur and those were all worked through

873
02:22:59,600 --> 02:23:08,640
uh with planning to arrive at a um final
massing which the massing itself has

874
02:23:06,080 --> 02:23:13,520
been uh maintained through this process.
So when we think of the project overall

875
02:23:10,880 --> 02:23:17,920
the project as it exists with respect to
unit count building massing building

876
02:23:15,600 --> 02:23:23,680
height parking counts is all identical.
What we're talking about tonight are

877
02:23:19,600 --> 02:23:27,600
specific architectural details um which
u Justine has kind of walked us through

878
02:23:25,600 --> 02:23:32,479
the highlights of those and some of them
are things where our drawings that city

879
02:23:29,600 --> 02:23:37,200
council saw in many ways are the same.
The conditions where we were asked to

880
02:23:34,960 --> 02:23:41,520
upgrade or enhance certain things that
we're currently unable to do due to

881
02:23:39,359 --> 02:23:47,280
budget constraints uh are the ones that
I wanted to highlight today. And so um

882
02:23:45,439 --> 02:23:52,399
of those
brick veneer um the third floor awnings

883
02:23:49,840 --> 02:23:56,479
and then window frame color are the
items where what you see in the drawings

884
02:23:54,560 --> 02:24:04,160
in terms of the color of the window
frames um the locations of where the

885
02:24:01,280 --> 02:24:09,600
awnings are in those drawings um still
matches what was shown at city council

886
02:24:07,359 --> 02:24:13,439
meeting and previously approved. um the
conditions of approval uh and

887
02:24:12,000 --> 02:24:18,319
development agreement that ask for
further enhancement. Um those are the

888
02:24:15,439 --> 02:24:21,319
items that uh we're asking for relief on
tonight.

889
02:24:23,200 --> 02:24:30,640
And then some of these slides that we've
got here represent um brick veneer where

890
02:24:28,640 --> 02:24:34,399
we've got the brick veneer that's being
maintained along the public street on

891
02:24:32,399 --> 02:24:40,880
Hillcrest and then at the back of the
site along the off-ramp um we have uh a

892
02:24:38,399 --> 02:24:43,600
material that is board form concrete
that would not have brick veneer on it

893
02:24:42,640 --> 02:24:48,800
but it would still create an
architectural base to the project still

894
02:24:45,920 --> 02:24:52,880
provide material variation. So the goal
of having high quality architecture

895
02:24:50,319 --> 02:24:58,520
hasn't changed. The specific material of
the brick and the square footage of that

896
02:24:54,960 --> 02:24:58,520
brick has changed.

897
02:24:58,640 --> 02:25:07,040
And then this is the u third floor um
condition that you can see if you go up

898
02:25:04,479 --> 02:25:12,160
to the second level above the podium as
it was shown in the um drawings that

899
02:25:09,600 --> 02:25:16,960
were presented at city council. This is
what the awnings if added would look

900
02:25:15,040 --> 02:25:22,319
like. Um, and this is what we're looking
for relief on is to basically provide

901
02:25:20,240 --> 02:25:27,600
this building elevation, same height,
same architectural skin, same balcony

902
02:25:25,040 --> 02:25:33,120
railings, etc., but without the awnings
at the third floor.

903
02:25:30,560 --> 02:25:40,160
And then when it comes to the window
frames in terms of the wood grain versus

904
02:25:36,800 --> 02:25:45,760
um a solid bronze color, uh the vinyl is
something that we feel strongly that

905
02:25:42,640 --> 02:25:51,520
while conditioned to the project to have
non vinyl at certain locations that

906
02:25:49,040 --> 02:25:56,319
doing 100% vinyl, we feel confident that
we can have a project that one meets

907
02:25:54,080 --> 02:25:59,760
building code that achieves the STC
ratings that are required along the

908
02:25:57,760 --> 02:26:06,000
freeway along Hillrest
and aesthetically matches the same um

909
02:26:04,000 --> 02:26:11,359
quality that you'd see on many other
projects throughout the city. Um

910
02:26:09,680 --> 02:26:17,840
these window frames that we're
proposing, you can see on SL

911
02:26:14,880 --> 02:26:22,240
pictured here. Um couple projects that
we've done next to Levi Stadium in Santa

912
02:26:19,840 --> 02:26:27,200
Clara, California are also included here
for reference. um a handover project in

913
02:26:25,040 --> 02:26:30,960
the Bay Area also
give you a sense of what the buildings

914
02:26:29,040 --> 02:26:34,800
that we're talking about, you know,
moving forward with tonight would look

915
02:26:32,479 --> 02:26:38,479
like. So, in our mind, while it's not
what was um agreed to in the development

916
02:26:36,800 --> 02:26:44,000
agreement, we still feel that it's a
high quality solution. And I think some

917
02:26:40,479 --> 02:26:49,120
of the things that um have really been
um maybe giving the brunt of negativity

918
02:26:46,560 --> 02:26:54,960
for vinyl windows or lowquality
manufacturers, all-white frames. These

919
02:26:52,080 --> 02:27:00,080
are upgraded um factory painted frames
that are going to look very similar to

920
02:26:57,359 --> 02:27:04,560
aluminum storefront just uh construction
method is vinyl. And we do that with a

921
02:27:02,560 --> 02:27:07,680
you know enhanced C channel in the
horizontal mullions. It gets us a much

922
02:27:06,160 --> 02:27:12,160
more bigger, more commercial looking,
robust window that's very durable. It's

923
02:27:10,160 --> 02:27:17,520
got a 25-year warranty. It's something
that we're proud to stand behind. Um,

924
02:27:15,040 --> 02:27:22,560
happy to answer any questions regarding
what we're proposing. Um, but these are

925
02:27:20,160 --> 02:27:26,800
just some examples of that.
And then in terms of some of the other

926
02:27:24,319 --> 02:27:32,640
secondary items um trelluses that are
being uh deleted, some of it is program

927
02:27:30,240 --> 02:27:38,560
related, some of it's cost related, but
the idea to remove some of the permanent

928
02:27:35,439 --> 02:27:46,640
trelluses and in exchange for more
mobile um uh FFN or fit and furnished uh

929
02:27:43,600 --> 02:27:50,080
trelluses or umbrellas that offer more
smaller scale, more affordable, and more

930
02:27:48,399 --> 02:27:54,160
flexible solutions is something that
we're looking to do for the project. And

931
02:27:52,720 --> 02:28:00,960
then the back of house openings is
really just a uh something that came up

932
02:27:56,960 --> 02:28:05,920
with respect to security and um and cost
as well and back of house doors like uh

933
02:28:03,120 --> 02:28:08,640
egress stairs. So I'm out of time, but
I'm here to answer questions.

934
02:28:07,280 --> 02:28:11,040
» Thank you. You guys will have five
minutes after.

935
02:28:10,080 --> 02:28:16,240
» All right, we'll move over to
>> Mr. Mayor. Mr. Mayor, um could I propose

936
02:28:14,319 --> 02:28:19,120
that we listen to his presentation, then
ask questions after that? Give him an ex

937
02:28:18,319 --> 02:28:22,640
extended time.
>> How much time do you have left?

938
02:28:21,520 --> 02:28:25,520
Maybe two more minutes.
>> Two more. Yep, that's fine. Let's do

939
02:28:24,000 --> 02:28:27,439
that. We'll go two more minutes. Let's
conclude, then we'll go to public

940
02:28:26,800 --> 02:28:31,359
speaker.
>> So, back of house openings, just again

941
02:28:29,040 --> 02:28:36,000
to reiterate, we're talking about um
doors at egress stairways are they're

942
02:28:34,399 --> 02:28:39,040
not just for egress. Somebody could use
those stairwells to get to their unit if

943
02:28:37,520 --> 02:28:43,120
they don't want to walk around to an
elevator. Um but they're not the primary

944
02:28:41,120 --> 02:28:48,560
entrances. All of our primary entrances
are all still storefront. um some of

945
02:28:45,439 --> 02:28:54,319
these uh secondary entrances that were
um had a a glass window element to them

946
02:28:51,200 --> 02:28:58,479
are being reduced. Um and then the
commercial storefront design, that's

947
02:28:56,000 --> 02:29:04,560
something where based on final locations
of for u storm drain pipes, structural

948
02:29:02,080 --> 02:29:09,040
shear walls, the window for the final
storefront arrangement shifted and so

949
02:29:06,560 --> 02:29:13,319
the percentage is slightly less and that
requires uh council approval.

950
02:29:15,120 --> 02:29:22,319
I think when you look at the overall
percent of glazing along Hillrest, along

951
02:29:19,280 --> 02:29:26,479
the kind of return walls of the retail,
um the retailer is going to want

952
02:29:24,160 --> 02:29:29,920
visibility, want transparency, and we're
still providing that. So, we feel

953
02:29:28,479 --> 02:29:33,560
confident that this is still a good
solution to the project.

954
02:29:33,680 --> 02:29:40,960
And then the rooftop trelluses, again,
the ones up at the fourth floor roof

955
02:29:37,359 --> 02:29:46,080
deck or on the uh building B roof deck
and barbecue area. Uh those are going to

956
02:29:43,680 --> 02:29:49,399
be replaced with more flexible, smaller
scale furnishings.

957
02:29:52,000 --> 02:30:01,359
So, this is the barbecue uh area on the
middle of the building B courtyard here

958
02:29:58,960 --> 02:30:06,399
that previously had a a fixed
permanently mounted trellis on that

959
02:30:03,120 --> 02:30:10,240
slab. That's going to be um smaller
furniture shade structures now, large

960
02:30:08,240 --> 02:30:14,720
scale umbrellas.
And then there's some examples of other

961
02:30:12,319 --> 02:30:21,560
projects that have integrated smaller
umbrellas for shading in lie of large um

962
02:30:18,240 --> 02:30:21,560
steel trelluses.

963
02:30:25,680 --> 02:30:32,479
And then one of the other ones that um I
would point out is the window header

964
02:30:29,600 --> 02:30:39,600
design. This is the accent panel that's
above the actual inset window that we

965
02:30:35,680 --> 02:30:46,319
still have the condition where we've got
um 2-in recess and we've got additional

966
02:30:43,760 --> 02:30:51,280
um vinyl window frames with that accent
panel there. It's still inset, still

967
02:30:48,080 --> 02:30:57,200
contrasting, but we're asking for um
that to be an enhanced um stucco color

968
02:30:54,399 --> 02:31:01,120
to provide the contrast there in lie of
uh tile or another material.

969
02:31:01,359 --> 02:31:05,760
Thank you, Keith. I'm going to have you
stay up here. We don't have any public

970
02:31:04,080 --> 02:31:10,560
comments, so why don't we use this time
for city council to ask applicant any

971
02:31:09,040 --> 02:31:16,680
questions and then we'll move over to
staff. So, any questions from council?

972
02:31:17,040 --> 02:31:23,680
David Newman, excuse me, Mr. Newman, you
want to start?

973
02:31:21,040 --> 02:31:28,640
» Thank you, Mayor. Uh, first off, let me
say to Mr. Marin, I'm glad to hear you

974
02:31:26,560 --> 02:31:33,359
have your voice back. I've been there. I
know what it was like uh hearing you at

975
02:31:30,240 --> 02:31:39,840
the planning commission. So glad to hear
you're fullthroated again.

976
02:31:37,040 --> 02:31:46,560
Uh I think I have two or three questions
regarding your presentation tonight. Uh

977
02:31:42,960 --> 02:31:53,319
first let me just reconfirm
when the city council approved this

978
02:31:48,560 --> 02:31:53,319
project in July 2023.

979
02:31:53,760 --> 02:32:03,640
You did agree to this development
agreement including every single one of

980
02:31:59,520 --> 02:32:03,640
its conditions. Did you not?

981
02:32:04,080 --> 02:32:10,479
» The architectural ones. Keith, you
should speak to.

982
02:32:07,760 --> 02:32:15,359
» Yeah. In general, the question about was
it approved? Yes, it was signed off by

983
02:32:12,720 --> 02:32:20,720
the developer. Right. Both parties, the
city there there was a lot of discussion

984
02:32:17,520 --> 02:32:26,160
months and months between the city and
your team and and both parties signed

985
02:32:23,920 --> 02:32:31,840
this development agreement
which bound both parties to

986
02:32:29,600 --> 02:32:36,720
what was in the agreement and all of the
conditions and I think we're all in

987
02:32:34,080 --> 02:32:41,760
agreement on that.
Um, I wanted to ask

988
02:32:39,359 --> 02:32:48,080
» I'll just say this, David, again that
when the development agreement was

989
02:32:43,359 --> 02:32:52,960
signed, we did not yet have um fully bid
construction documents, right? Because

990
02:32:49,920 --> 02:32:58,240
CDs come last. So, what we do with staff
is look, especially having um worked

991
02:32:55,680 --> 02:33:03,760
with with staff before in Thousand Oaks,
we do the best thing we can to give our

992
02:33:00,960 --> 02:33:07,760
general contractor as much in the way of
scope, but we don't know everything. So,

993
02:33:06,319 --> 02:33:12,080
post the development agreement, we went
to work immediately with staff going

994
02:33:10,160 --> 02:33:14,640
back and forth. That took some time
where many things, as I said tonight,

995
02:33:13,920 --> 02:33:17,920
they're not even on the table.
>> Yeah, I understand. But, but Mr. Mayor,

996
02:33:16,319 --> 02:33:21,280
I'm I'm not referring to downstream
agreements with contractors or other

997
02:33:19,760 --> 02:33:27,280
parties. I'm I'm only referring to the
development agreement here where where

998
02:33:23,760 --> 02:33:32,399
the parties were yourself and the city
and there was agreement at that time in

999
02:33:29,439 --> 02:33:36,560
July 23 on that agreement including
every single one of the conditions. Is

1000
02:33:34,560 --> 02:33:42,479
that is that a true statement?
>> Well, yes, but again you can't ignore

1001
02:33:40,640 --> 02:33:48,479
the plan part of it which is not
complete. All we can do as developer is

1002
02:33:45,439 --> 02:33:53,120
do our best to look at it and say, "Hey,
can we fit what we want in a $200

1003
02:33:50,880 --> 02:33:57,840
million project with this development
agreement that at that time the answer

1004
02:33:55,280 --> 02:34:03,439
was yes." But when we learn, for
example, the windows, couldn't be vinyl.

1005
02:34:01,359 --> 02:34:07,280
That's where again we got into things
that were administratively signed off.

1006
02:34:05,359 --> 02:34:11,920
In this case, it's a design element, so
it had to go to city council. So as much

1007
02:34:09,760 --> 02:34:16,399
as you can say yes, you signed a
contract, you can't, unfortunately with

1008
02:34:14,160 --> 02:34:20,720
development, you can't ignore the whole
other side of that, which is you got a

1009
02:34:18,319 --> 02:34:27,200
budget, you got to keep capital going.
It takes six plus months just to get to

1010
02:34:24,640 --> 02:34:29,040
a closing with capital. Budgets are
changing.

1011
02:34:27,600 --> 02:34:34,240
» So I'm glad I'm glad you mentioned
timelines. So let's talk about those

1012
02:34:30,800 --> 02:34:38,479
timelines. The the development agreement
was agreed to by both parties in July

1013
02:34:36,640 --> 02:34:43,520
2023.
As I understand it from Ms. Kendall's

1014
02:34:41,840 --> 02:34:48,560
presentation,
the request for these 10 major

1015
02:34:46,399 --> 02:34:52,880
modifications
came in December

1016
02:34:51,359 --> 02:34:57,359
2025.
Is that right?

1017
02:34:55,840 --> 02:35:03,200
» It would have No, I think
>> I see I see Mr. Powers nodding his head.

1018
02:35:01,040 --> 02:35:07,920
Is that is that one the major
>> but again it's it's 10 David that come

1019
02:35:06,160 --> 02:35:12,080
out of a whole number of things that we
went back and forth. These are only 10

1020
02:35:10,000 --> 02:35:15,120
out of many many things that were talked
about where

1021
02:35:12,880 --> 02:35:19,760
» but I do have the timing right there.
There was a my only question is is on

1022
02:35:17,680 --> 02:35:26,000
the timelines here. There was a DA that
was agreed to in July 23 and then there

1023
02:35:23,200 --> 02:35:31,600
was a request for 10 major changes and
that would request was in December

1024
02:35:29,120 --> 02:35:36,560
2025. Is that is that correct? Do I have
that right?

1025
02:35:34,640 --> 02:35:40,000
» No, that's that's when it was deemed
ready to come to council. But the

1026
02:35:38,720 --> 02:35:44,240
» Yeah. So that's when it's scheduled,
right?

1027
02:35:41,040 --> 02:35:48,560
» So that's correct. It's December 17th of
when we reached out to planning um to

1028
02:35:46,640 --> 02:35:53,680
let them know that there's proposed
changes to the projects was many months

1029
02:35:50,479 --> 02:35:56,240
before that probably late 24
early 25.

1030
02:35:54,479 --> 02:36:00,479
» Correct. But I mean I think this is
important nuance, right? We all know you

1031
02:35:58,720 --> 02:36:04,000
work with a lot of projects, Keith. Um
there is an application process. We

1032
02:36:02,319 --> 02:36:07,600
don't schedule for hearing until we have
those applications filed and the

1033
02:36:06,160 --> 02:36:10,800
documents all submitted and that's when
that occurred in is in December. I just

1034
02:36:09,439 --> 02:36:14,399
want to make sure everyone's level set
on timing and I understand that

1035
02:36:12,560 --> 02:36:20,600
discussions
were happening much earlier but our

1036
02:36:16,479 --> 02:36:20,600
process is based on applications.

1037
02:36:20,640 --> 02:36:30,880
Then my my final question um for for the
whole developer team here there was a

1038
02:36:28,560 --> 02:36:37,200
statement by Ms. Kendall in her
presentation that that staff

1039
02:36:33,920 --> 02:36:42,319
views the the ordering of these major
modifications

1040
02:36:39,040 --> 02:36:48,800
roughly in order of
um the the least deviation from equal or

1041
02:36:46,319 --> 02:36:53,600
greater quality to the greatest
deviation.

1042
02:36:51,359 --> 02:36:59,600
I'm going to ask you uh basically the
same question but in terms of cost would

1043
02:36:56,000 --> 02:37:05,920
like would would you would you rank
these equivalently

1044
02:37:02,080 --> 02:37:11,840
a A throughJ in order in terms of having
the greatest cost impact for you and if

1045
02:37:09,359 --> 02:37:15,880
if not if they're not a A throughJ how
how would you sequence these?

1046
02:37:16,240 --> 02:37:25,920
Yeah, in our mind the the list u has
nothing to do with the immediate cost.

1047
02:37:21,680 --> 02:37:29,760
So, um I think J being a larger ticket
item and lower in the list. Yeah, I

1048
02:37:28,000 --> 02:37:36,240
would agree with that. But generally,
they're not in order of magnitude of in

1049
02:37:33,200 --> 02:37:41,280
our mind of deviation, extent or
severity or cost. They're just, you

1050
02:37:39,040 --> 02:37:44,800
know, lettered A through J. And that
>> is J is J the most impactful in terms of

1051
02:37:43,840 --> 02:37:49,040
cost.
>> Yes, it is.

1052
02:37:46,319 --> 02:37:54,319
Okay. All right. Great. Thank you very
much. Appreciate it.

1053
02:37:52,640 --> 02:37:58,399
» Council member Gutier.
>> Thank you, Mayor Taylor. Hello. Thank

1054
02:37:56,240 --> 02:38:03,359
you so much for being here this evening.
Um I realized mid questions with staff

1055
02:38:01,920 --> 02:38:10,399
that these were going to be more
appropriately um asked of you all. And

1056
02:38:07,840 --> 02:38:16,080
um so I just want to start with where I
started with staff. Um I'm I'm really

1057
02:38:13,840 --> 02:38:22,319
interested in understanding what's
driving the request to further delay the

1058
02:38:19,920 --> 02:38:27,920
project. Um because that's how I see
this. There was an approval and a green

1059
02:38:24,960 --> 02:38:34,479
flag and now we're back and we're
delaying. And so I'm trying to

1060
02:38:30,640 --> 02:38:44,319
understand is the are the requests being
asked for necessary for feasibility

1061
02:38:39,359 --> 02:38:50,160
or or is there some other driving force?
No, the the the project again we we

1062
02:38:47,439 --> 02:38:54,640
again we need building permit um soon to
go vertical but the project is moving

1063
02:38:52,080 --> 02:38:57,200
on. We are simply basically coming and
saying look

1064
02:38:55,760 --> 02:39:01,520
» from the time we signed that development
agreement there was a lot of work done

1065
02:38:58,880 --> 02:39:05,200
afterwards. We're also trying to keep
like any of you would with a business a

1066
02:39:03,680 --> 02:39:12,720
budget. Okay.
>> We have lenders um and it took a very

1067
02:39:09,600 --> 02:39:16,080
long time to close this transaction. is
probably one of the largest in Ventura

1068
02:39:14,080 --> 02:39:20,960
County at, you know, a little over $200
million.

1069
02:39:17,760 --> 02:39:27,680
When we present that budget and when we
closed, we knew again we still had to

1070
02:39:24,319 --> 02:39:31,520
come in front of council. So, there's
very little flexibility. The lenders

1071
02:39:30,319 --> 02:39:36,240
will show you, especially that's why
that contingency is set up,

1072
02:39:33,520 --> 02:39:40,880
» but we can't be this early in a project
and have four of $5 million used in

1073
02:39:38,960 --> 02:39:44,240
contingency. Any developer would would
tell you that. I'm not saying anything

1074
02:39:42,240 --> 02:39:47,680
that is, you know, not consistent with
way the business really works. So, no,

1075
02:39:45,920 --> 02:39:51,359
there's we're not there's no delay here.
In fact, if anything, you know, but for

1076
02:39:49,439 --> 02:39:55,200
the rains, we actually were 3 weeks
ahead of schedule. Um, we lost some of

1077
02:39:53,680 --> 02:40:00,640
that uh or a good chunk of that because
of the heavy rains as you know, we all

1078
02:39:56,720 --> 02:40:07,359
had. But look, much like SL too, you're
talking this is we're we're a

1079
02:40:02,479 --> 02:40:12,399
development group that goes beyond
the norm. You've seen it with Zal and as

1080
02:40:09,439 --> 02:40:16,560
I said, Hillrest arguably is an even
nicer project. I mean, it was something

1081
02:40:14,080 --> 02:40:22,000
that Amgen really, really wanted. We did
our very best really to put a project.

1082
02:40:19,840 --> 02:40:26,080
The Amjen folks were excited about the
whole life sciences quarter is excited

1083
02:40:23,840 --> 02:40:30,000
about. We've got amenities in there that
you don't see um particularly on the

1084
02:40:28,479 --> 02:40:35,200
wellness side that we're putting in
there, but they cost money. and we made

1085
02:40:32,720 --> 02:40:39,600
assumptions the very best that we could
at the time where we didn't have our

1086
02:40:37,600 --> 02:40:43,200
plans bid. We trust our contractor
implicitly. He's a resident of Thousand

1087
02:40:41,200 --> 02:40:47,920
Oaks. Company's here in Thousand Oaks.
They do a great job. They're building

1088
02:40:44,640 --> 02:40:51,359
MBK as well. And we know that when they
submit numbers to us, they're honest

1089
02:40:49,920 --> 02:40:56,160
numbers. They're the best they can get
to. But we could have there's no way to

1090
02:40:54,000 --> 02:40:58,479
know for as I keep pointing out windows.
>> Yeah.

1091
02:40:56,479 --> 02:41:01,920
» That that would be changed since Right.
every high-quality project in the city

1092
02:41:00,080 --> 02:41:07,920
has been done with those windows.
>> I understand. I think my my what I'm not

1093
02:41:05,920 --> 02:41:14,479
understanding or maybe what I understand
and just want to say plainly are the

1094
02:41:12,479 --> 02:41:20,160
assumptions that you made at the
beginning of this is the responsibility

1095
02:41:17,600 --> 02:41:29,600
and the cost of doing your business. And
we as a city um our business is keeping

1096
02:41:25,120 --> 02:41:35,439
to what we think our our constituents
our communities are going to take as a

1097
02:41:32,880 --> 02:41:41,920
as a contribution
um whether it's aesthetics or not um by

1098
02:41:39,200 --> 02:41:46,319
our doing by our collective decisioning.
And so that's where I'm where I'm

1099
02:41:43,439 --> 02:41:52,720
grappling. Um, and I think Dave, uh,
Council Member Newman also tried to get

1100
02:41:48,640 --> 02:41:57,040
down to what on the list is because I
heard you say some of it is

1101
02:41:54,240 --> 02:42:05,040
functionally, uh, driven and some of it
is costbased driven. And I'm trying to

1102
02:41:59,840 --> 02:42:10,080
weed through those those items. Um, but
without your insight, I don't know which

1103
02:42:07,040 --> 02:42:17,439
of those um, would garner either
category. And then um you know cuz I

1104
02:42:13,760 --> 02:42:22,880
think of the window um percentage going
from 60 to 65 sounds reasonable. I saw

1105
02:42:20,319 --> 02:42:27,600
the renderings. Those look like current
um storefronts that we have here in

1106
02:42:24,880 --> 02:42:33,200
town. I understand that we're but I I
I'm

1107
02:42:29,520 --> 02:42:37,439
again I'm I'm really just grappling with
um

1108
02:42:34,720 --> 02:42:45,040
what is driving the ask?
what feels like for me after a a green

1109
02:42:40,399 --> 02:42:50,160
lit project um coming back and and
bringing us back to this conversation

1110
02:42:47,200 --> 02:42:53,359
and um I'm just being as direct as I can
so that I'm not kind of dancing around

1111
02:42:52,399 --> 02:42:58,319
in my words.
>> I I appreciate the directness and and

1112
02:42:55,280 --> 02:43:03,680
and frankly I mean it's healthy. So,
believe me, what the the as I'll kick

1113
02:43:01,520 --> 02:43:09,280
speak to some some functional aspects
from a pure cost standpoint, we simply

1114
02:43:06,080 --> 02:43:12,080
cannot use our contingency this early in
the project where we haven't even gone

1115
02:43:10,399 --> 02:43:16,479
up yet. It's devastating. What are the
worst case outcomes?

1116
02:43:14,000 --> 02:43:19,600
Typically, what lenders will say is you
use up your contingency, you need to

1117
02:43:18,080 --> 02:43:23,439
reestablish it, rebalance the loan,
which means put more capital in. We

1118
02:43:21,280 --> 02:43:28,160
can't do it. We're at a point now where,
as I said, it took six months to close

1119
02:43:24,960 --> 02:43:36,960
this project. It took every bit, you
know, of energy, of patience to stay

1120
02:43:33,439 --> 02:43:41,920
focused. We could have stopped many
times. Um, we almost did several times

1121
02:43:40,080 --> 02:43:47,279
because of frankly just pressure from
the lenders and development has to be a

1122
02:43:45,680 --> 02:43:48,880
public private partnership.
>> Agreed.

1123
02:43:47,680 --> 02:43:53,359
» This isn't a math test where there's a
there's an answer. It's right or you're

1124
02:43:50,399 --> 02:43:58,479
wrong. There is a matter of gray here
and what we're not coming back and

1125
02:43:54,880 --> 02:44:04,160
saying, "Hey, help us make more profit.
We didn't I can tell you that the

1126
02:44:01,120 --> 02:44:09,120
assumptions that we have aren't even
credible today as far as where assets

1127
02:44:07,600 --> 02:44:13,040
are trading for. We're not looking
short-term. We're looking at a long-term

1128
02:44:10,479 --> 02:44:17,680
situation. But we have to build on time
and we have to build on budget because

1129
02:44:14,880 --> 02:44:22,960
if you don't do that, bad things do
happen. And there are projects that get

1130
02:44:20,080 --> 02:44:27,040
stopped and sit because the lenders
stop. That is a worst case outcome. And

1131
02:44:25,120 --> 02:44:31,279
I'm I'm I'm here to tell you today, it's
a real possibility. We have no

1132
02:44:29,920 --> 02:44:34,640
flexibility. Everybody in the
environment we're in, and this was true

1133
02:44:32,399 --> 02:44:38,960
before, you know, the uh the situation
in the Middle East and rising oil

1134
02:44:36,000 --> 02:44:43,040
prices. Lenders are nervous. The their
books uh the losses are mounting. You're

1135
02:44:41,520 --> 02:44:46,160
looking at foreclosures. There's nobody
building. I mean, take a look around and

1136
02:44:44,640 --> 02:44:51,040
see how many multif family projects are
being built anywhere, not just here in

1137
02:44:49,040 --> 02:44:54,960
in, you know, Thousand Oaks. Look around
the country. Multif family starts at our

1138
02:44:53,120 --> 02:45:01,359
almost at an all-time low again. Too
much. So, I'm just seeing like we're not

1139
02:44:58,080 --> 02:45:05,200
new. We we we did SL. We brought you
>> some, you know, great amenities to the

1140
02:45:03,279 --> 02:45:08,080
public. We'll do the same thing. What
we're asking for is just sheer

1141
02:45:06,479 --> 02:45:12,319
consideration for the situation we find
ourselves in where we're we would be

1142
02:45:10,160 --> 02:45:15,439
seriously out of budget. And part of
that is for things that nothing we could

1143
02:45:14,399 --> 02:45:18,319
have done differently because we
couldn't have anticipated Windows for

1144
02:45:17,359 --> 02:45:22,479
example.
>> I appreciate it and I appreciate all the

1145
02:45:20,399 --> 02:45:28,319
time. I'll ask my last question and then
I'll I'll listen and learn from um the

1146
02:45:25,439 --> 02:45:34,560
following questions. Um
so if the amendment is not granted, if

1147
02:45:31,040 --> 02:45:37,760
we don't move forward with um these
changes, is the project at risk?

1148
02:45:36,960 --> 02:45:41,920
» Yes.
>> Okay. Thank you,

1149
02:45:40,160 --> 02:45:46,960
» Mr. Engler.
Thank you, Mr. Mayor, and thank you for

1150
02:45:43,600 --> 02:45:51,760
coming out tonight. Um, we appreciate I
love the project over at 299, the

1151
02:45:49,600 --> 02:45:59,120
Shantel project. Nice project, and we
appreciate the um the commitment you

1152
02:45:54,479 --> 02:46:05,920
have to this city. Um, I guess my
struggle comes um I I was here for the

1153
02:46:02,880 --> 02:46:13,680
presentation a couple of years ago. Um,
I remember our uh actually your your um

1154
02:46:09,200 --> 02:46:20,000
your attorney saying that um you have
you have looked at all 279

1155
02:46:16,479 --> 02:46:23,520
um items in the in the agreement. And I
uh in the last couple days waited

1156
02:46:21,359 --> 02:46:29,200
through all of those as well. everything
from

1157
02:46:25,040 --> 02:46:36,399
um where the trash goes to how how high
the curbs are to a h a lot of different

1158
02:46:34,080 --> 02:46:41,840
items. One of those items was the
windows.

1159
02:46:38,080 --> 02:46:47,520
Um item 48D talked a lot about the
windows and described the type of

1160
02:46:44,479 --> 02:46:54,080
windows that was looking for uh that the
city was looking for. Um, I'm not sure

1161
02:46:51,279 --> 02:46:58,960
if there was a a discrepancy in what you
saw and what the city was presenting,

1162
02:46:56,319 --> 02:47:04,960
but I know that your attorney said that
all 279 were agreed to. How do you how

1163
02:47:02,319 --> 02:47:10,800
do you square that?
Go ahead, Keith. Yeah, I think just like

1164
02:47:07,680 --> 02:47:15,920
Mark was suggesting a moment ago about
we're only here because these are items

1165
02:47:12,640 --> 02:47:21,279
that we feel can deliver a similar
quality building um that the city is

1166
02:47:18,160 --> 02:47:24,880
hoping for, but at a cost and budget
that we can realistically deliver today.

1167
02:47:23,439 --> 02:47:30,479
Otherwise, we wouldn't be here. We would
just be building um the items that were

1168
02:47:27,120 --> 02:47:34,640
agreed to at that time. So there's um I
guess what I would describe as

1169
02:47:31,760 --> 02:47:41,600
unforeseen escalation in certain things
like windows, like steel, um insurance

1170
02:47:38,240 --> 02:47:47,600
costs post fires um that are out of the
developers control and other things um

1171
02:47:45,200 --> 02:47:51,840
that um we were able to accommodate and
find workarounds for. Uh for instance,

1172
02:47:49,600 --> 02:47:57,040
one of the substitutions that we made
for some of the slats on the project um

1173
02:47:54,160 --> 02:48:01,520
we were able to find that staff believed
was comparable and um you know it was a

1174
02:48:00,000 --> 02:48:05,279
minor amendment and we moved forward
with that and a lot of those items we

1175
02:48:02,880 --> 02:48:10,080
did work through directly with staff.
some of these where we're reducing

1176
02:48:06,800 --> 02:48:13,200
square footage um or changing out a
window type can only be done here at

1177
02:48:12,080 --> 02:48:17,279
council and that's why we're here
tonight

1178
02:48:14,399 --> 02:48:22,319
» in in specific plan 24 as as you
mentioned as we know from our our

1179
02:48:18,880 --> 02:48:28,240
discussions with staff there was several
items that were changed from our um

1180
02:48:25,200 --> 02:48:33,680
design standards uh to allow this
project to go forward in that location.

1181
02:48:31,040 --> 02:48:38,880
Um were you partners to that those
discussions as well as as a as a

1182
02:48:35,520 --> 02:48:45,040
specific plan was being developed?
>> Yeah, it was developed collectively uh

1183
02:48:41,279 --> 02:48:49,200
with Rencon, KTGY, the developer and
representatives from city staff that

1184
02:48:46,560 --> 02:48:54,720
weighed in on um their thoughts on
design, site planning, materiality, etc.

1185
02:48:52,720 --> 02:49:00,479
And all that collectively became the
project that went to city council. So

1186
02:48:57,279 --> 02:49:04,240
then then at that time there was
discussions of windows. I'm sure there's

1187
02:49:02,640 --> 02:49:10,319
discussions of awnings, there's
discussions of trelluses. Um wasn't that

1188
02:49:07,520 --> 02:49:14,640
part of your discussions on that? I I'm
just assuming so.

1189
02:49:12,000 --> 02:49:18,880
» Yeah, it the the discussions went on for
many months and ultimately at the final

1190
02:49:17,040 --> 02:49:22,800
development agreement and final
conditions of approval um they were

1191
02:49:21,279 --> 02:49:26,240
reviewed.
I think they were believed to be

1192
02:49:24,240 --> 02:49:30,160
achievable at the time. Otherwise, the
developer wouldn't have committed to

1193
02:49:27,520 --> 02:49:34,880
them. After approval, when we began
schematic design, design development,

1194
02:49:32,880 --> 02:49:39,920
investigated more detailed material
specs, um developed more comprehensive

1195
02:49:37,200 --> 02:49:45,680
drawings that were submitted for um
final bidding that the numbers escalated

1196
02:49:43,279 --> 02:49:50,880
beyond what was projected at the time.
We didn't have time to do a full 8week

1197
02:49:49,200 --> 02:49:54,080
comprehensive budget from the time the
final development agreement terms were

1198
02:49:52,560 --> 02:50:00,000
presented to where they were accepted.
It was um some of the items um came you

1199
02:49:57,680 --> 02:50:05,120
know in a time where in good faith we
accepted and we pursued them and went

1200
02:50:02,640 --> 02:50:09,120
down that road to try and ensure that
they could be provided. And in some

1201
02:50:07,040 --> 02:50:13,680
cases like the windows uh we looked at
some alternative specs that had a faux

1202
02:50:11,600 --> 02:50:17,920
woodlook finish that we didn't believe
were superior or that we would be

1203
02:50:16,160 --> 02:50:23,279
comfortable putting our stamp on and we
feel comfortable with the product that's

1204
02:50:20,399 --> 02:50:29,359
specified. Um, and that one meets the
budget.

1205
02:50:25,120 --> 02:50:33,760
» Um, I guess I know we we there's a lot
of give and take between development

1206
02:50:31,200 --> 02:50:40,160
crew and our staff, but there's also a
lot of give and take between the council

1207
02:50:36,640 --> 02:50:44,800
and the citizenry. So, I know that you
know that there were there were people

1208
02:50:42,399 --> 02:50:50,399
opposed to this project because of the
massing, because of the size, because of

1209
02:50:46,880 --> 02:50:57,120
a whole host of different reasons. Um, I
know this council, I I was on the

1210
02:50:52,479 --> 02:51:03,279
council. Um, we weighed all this as part
of our decision based on what was

1211
02:50:59,680 --> 02:51:09,200
presented to us at that time. Um, so you
can see perhaps our hesitation now of

1212
02:51:07,279 --> 02:51:15,600
voiding the trust almost with our
citizenry if we now change where we're

1213
02:51:13,120 --> 02:51:20,560
going with this. Um, I I have some
problems with that. Um, you're you're

1214
02:51:18,880 --> 02:51:25,439
asking us to do that. Is that is that a
fair ask of us?

1215
02:51:22,880 --> 02:51:32,880
» I I think Bob, I I think it is. I mean,
I think look, as I said, your planning

1216
02:51:28,640 --> 02:51:36,640
staff, I mean, honestly, and
trust me when I say this. I mean, we've

1217
02:51:34,399 --> 02:51:41,439
got a lot of units in Florida. I only
wish that the staff there was as capable

1218
02:51:39,120 --> 02:51:45,200
as your staff here. Okay. So they've
recommended,

1219
02:51:43,439 --> 02:51:52,319
you know,
four I think, you know, four out of five

1220
02:51:49,120 --> 02:51:58,240
uh uh planning staff members recommended
the 10 items be accepted tonight. So

1221
02:51:56,479 --> 02:52:01,200
it's not like I think we're on the other
side of your own planning staff as it

1222
02:52:00,080 --> 02:52:04,479
relates to the things we're coming here
for.

1223
02:52:02,720 --> 02:52:08,720
What they told us again is that look,
there's we have the authority to do this

1224
02:52:06,640 --> 02:52:12,319
much. As Keith said, much of that has
been done and you're not hearing about

1225
02:52:10,000 --> 02:52:17,200
it tonight. The 10 items is they said,
"Listen, this is got to go to council.

1226
02:52:14,800 --> 02:52:20,720
This isn't something that we can simply
opine on." Now, we did go back and forth

1227
02:52:19,279 --> 02:52:25,680
as Keith said, we show different
options, for example, for windows, um,

1228
02:52:23,200 --> 02:52:30,720
and ultimately came back to, you know,
same windows that the city has widely

1229
02:52:27,439 --> 02:52:36,479
accepted throughout. So I don't think
we're asking for things that again it's

1230
02:52:32,560 --> 02:52:42,960
10 items on a project that you know is
as as visible and large as this project

1231
02:52:39,520 --> 02:52:48,479
is but it will allow us to stay on
course without it again we can only do

1232
02:52:46,319 --> 02:52:52,399
so much at the time that development
agreement was signed and in good faith

1233
02:52:50,000 --> 02:52:56,399
because we had come to work with the
city before look at SL we had a

1234
02:52:54,560 --> 02:53:01,680
six-month delay over very slight
differences in renderings we got through

1235
02:52:58,960 --> 02:53:04,560
it. Um, I think both sides worked
really, really hard. We narrowed it

1236
02:53:02,960 --> 02:53:08,720
down. You improved your process
substantially from the first time we

1237
02:53:06,640 --> 02:53:12,479
were here. But I hope that in doing so,
you've seen from us. We do what we said

1238
02:53:11,120 --> 02:53:18,479
we're going to do. You are not going to
get a project that is going to be in any

1239
02:53:16,240 --> 02:53:22,960
way viewed as being less than what was
proposed at the time. I mean, these are

1240
02:53:20,319 --> 02:53:26,800
very small changes, some of which are
not even observable, like I'd say the

1241
02:53:24,560 --> 02:53:31,760
windows. And we're highly cognizant of
the fact that it's our reputation. You

1242
02:53:29,279 --> 02:53:37,520
know, we love hearing that Santel, for
example, described as a trophy property.

1243
02:53:34,560 --> 02:53:41,760
We want Hillrest to be the same thing.
It's across the street from the largest

1244
02:53:39,279 --> 02:53:46,160
employer here at Amjad. Believe me, we
have our work cut out. We want to

1245
02:53:43,200 --> 02:53:49,600
attract that 5,000 ft of commercial,
something compelling, especially for the

1246
02:53:47,760 --> 02:53:54,319
folks in that quarter. This is what we
do. But it's got to be a little give and

1247
02:53:52,800 --> 02:53:57,600
take. We're not asking really for that
much. When you think about it in the

1248
02:53:55,840 --> 02:54:01,520
context of all the moving parts with
this project, it's 10 items, one of

1249
02:53:59,840 --> 02:54:05,439
which we really had no reason to think
would be any different than anything

1250
02:54:02,960 --> 02:54:10,240
else both we had done and others are
doing as we speak right now that they're

1251
02:54:07,600 --> 02:54:13,920
building with vinyl windows.
>> And but I want you to recognize it's

1252
02:54:12,000 --> 02:54:18,000
it's also our reputation with our
citizens that we have promised that this

1253
02:54:16,240 --> 02:54:24,560
project was going to go forward as
presented and now we have to make this

1254
02:54:21,200 --> 02:54:29,680
decision whether we need to change
what was presented and then reckoned

1255
02:54:27,840 --> 02:54:33,920
with what uh going to come back from our
citizens. So that's that's what I'm

1256
02:54:31,439 --> 02:54:38,080
trying to weigh. So um with that, thank
thank you for your honesty and thank you

1257
02:54:35,359 --> 02:54:42,479
for your answers, Mr. Mayor.
>> Thank you, Mr. Angler. Thank you guys

1258
02:54:39,680 --> 02:54:48,040
both for being here. Uh my first
question for you, when did you guys

1259
02:54:44,240 --> 02:54:48,040
close on your financing?

1260
02:54:50,160 --> 02:54:53,880
Dave, you know the date?

1261
02:54:54,319 --> 02:55:00,640
» I think it was just June or I think it
was June of 25.

1262
02:54:58,399 --> 02:55:05,960
» June of 25.
And then what's your guys current loan

1263
02:55:02,240 --> 02:55:05,960
to cost on it?

1264
02:55:06,960 --> 02:55:13,040
» With Pill? I mean, we got up to
well over 80

1265
02:55:11,520 --> 02:55:15,840
» 80%.
>> Over that.

1266
02:55:14,080 --> 02:55:18,840
» Over that.
Okay.

1267
02:55:19,840 --> 02:55:26,160
And then for your contingencies, you
mentioned that you guys have a $5

1268
02:55:24,000 --> 02:55:30,000
million contingency on a $200 million
project. So two and a half%.

1269
02:55:27,680 --> 02:55:34,000
» Yeah, it's it's on hard cost. So
>> that's on your hard cost.

1270
02:55:31,120 --> 02:55:38,960
» It's it's usually a 5% contingency on
our hard cost, but you get to 5 million.

1271
02:55:36,080 --> 02:55:43,760
» Okay. And you're saying that you have
already eaten into that by almost 45% at

1272
02:55:43,120 --> 02:55:49,040
this stage?
>> 40%.

1273
02:55:45,920 --> 02:55:53,680
Okay. which again is not I mean we still
have

1274
02:55:50,560 --> 02:55:59,040
um 60% left and we're going vertical. So
a lot of that again with foundation

1275
02:55:55,600 --> 02:56:05,479
grading it's you know worked out we're
kind of where we think we'd be.

1276
02:56:00,560 --> 02:56:05,479
» Okay. And the

1277
02:56:05,760 --> 02:56:12,000
a couple of the things that you
mentioned that

1278
02:56:09,920 --> 02:56:19,359
when you're developing there's unknowns
and you're making assumptions for at

1279
02:56:15,760 --> 02:56:23,279
least the the timeline on this. We get
the project and title. You guys have

1280
02:56:20,800 --> 02:56:29,600
your developer agreement and you have
kind of a pretty good idea of what is

1281
02:56:26,240 --> 02:56:33,600
entitled to build considering that costs
may improve may increase by the time you

1282
02:56:31,760 --> 02:56:36,960
break ground. That fair statement.
>> Mhm.

1283
02:56:34,160 --> 02:56:42,560
» When you guys then brought the final
budget to the lender, did you guys bring

1284
02:56:40,160 --> 02:56:48,080
the final budget based on what was
currently entitled?

1285
02:56:44,560 --> 02:56:53,600
So it was we we we brought the budget at
the time that was we must have rebided.

1286
02:56:51,279 --> 02:57:00,080
I mean Steve's here. I mean we had that
project rebid three I think at least

1287
02:56:57,040 --> 02:57:04,399
three three three three three times. Um
what I'm what I'm trying to really hone

1288
02:57:01,600 --> 02:57:07,760
in on is you mentioned that you and if
I'm saying something outline correct me

1289
02:57:06,080 --> 02:57:13,040
but you kind of felt like you were
blindsided or something you know with

1290
02:57:10,399 --> 02:57:17,600
particularly the vinyl window windows.
there was nothing that you saw that made

1291
02:57:16,240 --> 02:57:20,560
you feel like you couldn't get that
approved.

1292
02:57:19,120 --> 02:57:26,160
And I think what some of the other
council members mentioned and I do I do

1293
02:57:23,200 --> 02:57:32,240
want this answer as well. If you had
your developer agreement signed which

1294
02:57:29,520 --> 02:57:36,080
stated that
this was the requirement for Windows,

1295
02:57:34,080 --> 02:57:41,920
then presenting it to the lender to then
close on your financing after. When you

1296
02:57:39,200 --> 02:57:46,399
were doing that budget, did you present
a budget and made the assumption that

1297
02:57:44,560 --> 02:57:49,760
you could do the vinyl windows as
opposed to what you currently had in the

1298
02:57:48,399 --> 02:57:55,359
agreement?
>> We assumed that we would be able to use

1299
02:57:51,520 --> 02:57:59,760
the vinyl windows. Yeah.
Now, we knew at the time and I think

1300
02:57:57,359 --> 02:58:03,760
that when we went to capital, Dave, you
can come up here if you want because

1301
02:58:01,040 --> 02:58:06,880
might be helpful, but I think we knew
again that there were things we were

1302
02:58:05,600 --> 02:58:10,640
going to work on with staff, some of
which would be minor mod. We didn't

1303
02:58:08,960 --> 02:58:14,880
think Windows would be a major mod, for
example. We'd have no reason to think so

1304
02:58:12,240 --> 02:58:19,760
based on what was being built. I mean,
keep in mind, we're using the same GC as

1305
02:58:17,200 --> 02:58:23,520
MBK is, right, on the Sanctuary project.
So there'd be no reason for us knowing

1306
02:58:22,000 --> 02:58:26,960
what's being used from a material
standpoint that we wouldn't be able to

1307
02:58:24,720 --> 02:58:31,920
do that. Other things happened as we
kept rebidding, you know, costs went up,

1308
02:58:29,920 --> 02:58:36,080
but again, we did everything we could
value engineering where we could without

1309
02:58:33,920 --> 02:58:41,760
involving even the city, you know, to to
to stay within within budget. But at

1310
02:58:39,120 --> 02:58:45,520
this point, you know, what we're talking
about here are items that would only be

1311
02:58:44,080 --> 02:58:49,600
taken up in contingency. And there just
simply is it's there's not enough there

1312
02:58:46,880 --> 02:58:54,760
to do that. particularly when we start
first with the windows and the and the

1313
02:58:51,600 --> 02:58:54,760
cost there.

1314
02:58:56,399 --> 02:59:02,399
» What's what's you might have mentioned
this what's what's your guys assumption

1315
02:58:59,279 --> 02:59:05,760
on what the if all 10 modifications are
approved. What's the the cost that

1316
02:59:04,319 --> 02:59:09,000
you'll save in doing this? Do you have
that number?

1317
02:59:11,359 --> 02:59:14,680
» You have it.

1318
02:59:15,200 --> 02:59:20,880
Total number Dave
>> three four

1319
02:59:19,040 --> 02:59:23,200
» approximately four million right
>> Dave windows are half

1320
02:59:21,760 --> 02:59:26,160
» Dave the CFO
>> he's the head of development

1321
02:59:24,640 --> 02:59:32,200
» okay
$4 million

1322
02:59:28,080 --> 02:59:32,200
okay um

1323
02:59:33,520 --> 02:59:41,680
okay I think I have I think that answers
it for now I'll move over to staff

1324
02:59:38,720 --> 02:59:44,000
questions if you guys have any Mr. Mayor
Mr.

1325
02:59:41,920 --> 02:59:48,240
» Mayor excuse excuse me Mr. Newman, you
have a question.

1326
02:59:45,600 --> 02:59:53,120
» Just a quick clarification. Uh, thank
you, Mr. Mayor. To follow up on a

1327
02:59:51,040 --> 02:59:59,840
question Mayor Prom Taylor, uh, Mayor
Prom Angler was asking. Um, Mr. Marin,

1328
02:59:57,520 --> 03:00:05,359
what what's the current status of the
vinyl windows? I I think I heard a

1329
03:00:01,840 --> 03:00:11,040
quote, I may have misheard it, uh, that
quote they're building the vinyl

1330
03:00:06,880 --> 03:00:16,560
windows. U, so where where is that? What
what is the current status of that?

1331
03:00:14,720 --> 03:00:21,120
We we we haven't gone up yet, so there's
no windows yet.

1332
03:00:18,479 --> 03:00:24,479
» Okay. So So it's not like you you we're
we're discussing whether or not to use

1333
03:00:22,640 --> 03:00:27,920
vinyl windows tonight. It's not like
you've already purchased them or they're

1334
03:00:26,399 --> 03:00:31,680
being constructed right now.
>> No.

1335
03:00:29,040 --> 03:00:35,520
» Okay. Thank you.
>> Okay. Now we we'll move over to staff.

1336
03:00:33,920 --> 03:00:38,520
You'd like to reply to any of the
comments.

1337
03:00:42,160 --> 03:00:50,319
Excuse me. I'm just bringing up uh some
reference material here. Um I just want

1338
03:00:48,800 --> 03:00:56,960
to clarify a couple things or provide
some um context. Um I do want to uh

1339
03:00:55,520 --> 03:00:59,520
inter real quick. If you guys want to
take a seat, you can. And then we'll

1340
03:00:58,240 --> 03:01:04,319
call you back up if we have anything.
Yep.

1341
03:01:01,120 --> 03:01:09,840
» Uh I just want to confirm that um there
there has been no uh real delay in the

1342
03:01:07,279 --> 03:01:14,640
project. Um the construction is underway
and we've worked um closely together

1343
03:01:12,560 --> 03:01:19,920
with the applicant to make sure that
building plan check and grading permits

1344
03:01:16,960 --> 03:01:25,040
and things like that um proceed while we
um review

1345
03:01:21,840 --> 03:01:29,680
uh these requests. Um and indeed uh
reviewing the building plan check um was

1346
03:01:27,359 --> 03:01:33,520
a part of forming these requests and
identifying the revisions that needed to

1347
03:01:31,439 --> 03:01:42,399
be requested.
Um in terms of the timeline um the

1348
03:01:38,080 --> 03:01:47,520
building permits um were submitted in
uh or the applications rather um were

1349
03:01:44,399 --> 03:01:52,960
submitted in the August or September of
2024 and that's when we started

1350
03:01:50,160 --> 03:01:59,200
discussing um these revisions and
identifying them through that building

1351
03:01:54,720 --> 03:02:03,439
plan check review process. Um the minor
modifications there are a number of

1352
03:02:01,120 --> 03:02:08,640
modifications that were not really
design related um that were you know

1353
03:02:06,880 --> 03:02:14,240
part of normal building plan check
procedure. Um but in terms of design

1354
03:02:10,720 --> 03:02:24,720
revisions um there were 19 that were
identified in early very early um 2025

1355
03:02:19,600 --> 03:02:29,040
maybe late 2024. Um and in April those
um revisions which were identified as

1356
03:02:26,479 --> 03:02:33,520
minor were granted and we were you know
those were incorporated into the

1357
03:02:30,319 --> 03:02:39,920
building plan check submitts. Um and
then the final applications are that

1358
03:02:37,439 --> 03:02:44,399
were are required were required to move
forward with this request and schedule

1359
03:02:41,760 --> 03:02:48,800
it for hearing um and process these
major requests. Um those were submitted

1360
03:02:46,479 --> 03:02:56,560
in December. So between September and
now is when we were able to formally

1361
03:02:51,359 --> 03:03:02,080
process um the major um requests, but
again um review of the project and and

1362
03:02:59,200 --> 03:03:07,200
other things were moving forward. um
during that whole time and um

1363
03:03:04,640 --> 03:03:12,880
discussions with the applicant on uh
maybe how to revise or address these

1364
03:03:09,600 --> 03:03:18,720
requests were also had during that time
uh and I want to thank them for those

1365
03:03:14,479 --> 03:03:24,319
discussions too. Um the in terms of the
vinyl windows um to provide some context

1366
03:03:22,080 --> 03:03:29,120
the objective design standards have
always included that vinyl windows are

1367
03:03:26,399 --> 03:03:33,520
not allowed um and those were identified
as something to seriously take into

1368
03:03:31,040 --> 03:03:38,880
consideration um as part of the
pre-application process which was uh

1369
03:03:36,080 --> 03:03:44,960
closed in June of 2022.
Um and then the the discussion or

1370
03:03:41,920 --> 03:03:48,080
negotiation on um requiring vinyl
windows or not was very active

1371
03:03:46,560 --> 03:03:53,680
discussion throughout the planning
entitlement review process um which took

1372
03:03:50,960 --> 03:04:02,080
place over the next year between June uh
2022 and June 2023. Um that was uh

1373
03:03:58,319 --> 03:04:10,319
consistently a point of negotiation.
Um, and then I I'd also just want to um

1374
03:04:05,840 --> 03:04:15,120
clarify that um items F, G, I, and J,
which are part of that group one that

1375
03:04:12,319 --> 03:04:19,680
Keith described, um they were kind of
described as inconsistencies

1376
03:04:17,600 --> 03:04:26,640
um and and I would agree that they're
inconsistent um with the

1377
03:04:23,359 --> 03:04:32,160
entitlement set on on purpose. Um those
are required revisions. Um, and so it's

1378
03:04:29,680 --> 03:04:38,439
not that they were inconsistent or
erroneous necessarily so much as they

1379
03:04:34,240 --> 03:04:38,439
are revisions that are required.

1380
03:04:44,399 --> 03:04:49,279
» I think that's it.
>> Okay. Thank you. After hearing that,

1381
03:04:47,840 --> 03:04:53,840
anyone from council have any questions
for staff?

1382
03:04:52,080 --> 03:04:58,399
» Mr. Mayor,
>> Mr. Newman.

1383
03:04:56,000 --> 03:05:03,359
» Thank you, Mayor. Just a couple of
clarifications

1384
03:04:59,920 --> 03:05:07,200
of of statements made by the applicant.
Um, one statement,

1385
03:05:04,560 --> 03:05:13,520
» Mr. Neon, sorry to stop you. Did you ask
for Mr. Marin to come to the podium?

1386
03:05:12,000 --> 03:05:15,600
» A question. These are questions of
staff.

1387
03:05:14,000 --> 03:05:20,399
» Of staff. Okay, great.
>> Thank you.

1388
03:05:17,520 --> 03:05:27,120
Uh, just to clarify some statements made
by the applicant team. Um, one, there

1389
03:05:23,840 --> 03:05:35,200
was a characterization of vinyl windows
as quote a new design standard. Uh, my

1390
03:05:30,960 --> 03:05:42,800
reading of condition 48D is
that it is not a new standard. The 48D

1391
03:05:40,720 --> 03:05:49,720
specifies which building materials can
be used. Uh, would you agree that this

1392
03:05:45,600 --> 03:05:49,720
is not a new design standard?

1393
03:05:49,760 --> 03:05:56,720
» I would. Yeah, I would uh reiterate
that, you know, the vinyl windows were a

1394
03:05:55,120 --> 03:06:02,000
very active point of negotiation
throughout the entire entitlement review

1395
03:05:58,800 --> 03:06:08,319
process. Um, and that's why specific
facades were identified as requiring the

1396
03:06:04,960 --> 03:06:13,200
vinyl windows as a, you know, um, as a
concession that not all windows are

1397
03:06:11,040 --> 03:06:18,160
required to be non vinyl, just the ones
that are publicly facing

1398
03:06:15,760 --> 03:06:21,760
um, or viewable from public areas. Um,
that was a very specific point of

1399
03:06:20,479 --> 03:06:27,439
negotiation.
>> Oh, I see. So, so you're saying there

1400
03:06:23,680 --> 03:06:32,160
was negotiation on vinyl or not vinyl
>> prior to the enactment of the

1401
03:06:29,920 --> 03:06:36,000
development agreement.
>> That's right.

1402
03:06:33,680 --> 03:06:42,560
» Okay. That's that's interesting. Okay.
Thank you. Um, there's also a statement

1403
03:06:38,640 --> 03:06:47,840
made that four out of five quote unquote
planning staff, I think the intent was

1404
03:06:45,200 --> 03:06:54,399
to refer to planning commissioners, um,
recommended changes. Um, just to be

1405
03:06:52,240 --> 03:06:59,439
clear on that, the the recommendation
from the planning commission was not 10

1406
03:06:57,359 --> 03:07:02,640
changes, it was three of the 10 changes.
Correct.

1407
03:07:00,880 --> 03:07:07,040
» That's correct. From the planning
commission staff made no recommendation.

1408
03:07:05,680 --> 03:07:12,800
» Very good. Thank you for those
clarifications, Mayor.

1409
03:07:10,000 --> 03:07:17,279
» Thank you, Mr. Newman. Go ahead, Mr.
Adams.

1410
03:07:14,319 --> 03:07:23,359
» Yeah, thank you. How many minor
modifications did you say there were

1411
03:07:21,200 --> 03:07:29,200
over the time period here?
>> There were nine minor design revisions

1412
03:07:25,920 --> 03:07:34,160
that were um approved ministerially.
>> Nine. Okay. And then in your comments

1413
03:07:32,479 --> 03:07:39,279
just a moment ago, you were talking
about inconsistencies

1414
03:07:36,640 --> 03:07:44,000
uh with the uh applicants requests and
what our objective standards. Is that

1415
03:07:42,080 --> 03:07:49,600
what you
>> Yeah. The um the presentation framed it

1416
03:07:46,640 --> 03:07:56,640
as inconsistencies between the what was
required as the conditions of approval

1417
03:07:52,000 --> 03:08:02,560
and the um entitlement set um that was
presented at hearing. And um that sort

1418
03:08:00,160 --> 03:08:06,080
of implies that there was an error in
drafting those conditions. But I just

1419
03:08:03,920 --> 03:08:10,560
want to be clear um those conditions
weren't written erroneously. They were

1420
03:08:08,560 --> 03:08:14,720
written specifically to require those
changes.

1421
03:08:11,600 --> 03:08:18,240
» Okay. So there was no error.
>> Not in that respect. No.

1422
03:08:16,560 --> 03:08:22,160
» If I can if I can just add on to it. But
typically what happens is when you have

1423
03:08:19,760 --> 03:08:26,080
an entitlement package, you know, up to
the last minute, there's a lot of

1424
03:08:24,000 --> 03:08:31,600
conversation and discussion. Um, so it's
not uncommon for the plans that are

1425
03:08:29,279 --> 03:08:36,240
presented to the decision-making body to
not incorporate all of the conditions of

1426
03:08:33,520 --> 03:08:40,960
approval that have been negotiated and
submitted to the applicant. So sometimes

1427
03:08:38,560 --> 03:08:45,920
you'll see a condition of approval that
basically says applicant shall modify

1428
03:08:43,680 --> 03:08:49,960
the plans that blah blah blah blah blah.
And that's what happened in this case.

1429
03:08:51,120 --> 03:08:58,680
» All right. The applicant has five
minutes if you would like to rebuttal

1430
03:08:55,359 --> 03:08:58,680
anything mentioned.

1431
03:09:06,800 --> 03:09:13,680
» Yeah. One thing I wanted to um point out
as part of the window discussion and

1432
03:09:11,120 --> 03:09:18,319
deliberation about the right windows for
this project. Um I think it was our

1433
03:09:16,160 --> 03:09:24,240
intent and it was presented um as part
of our density bonus ask to seek a

1434
03:09:20,880 --> 03:09:27,680
density bonus waiver for um the
objective design standard. Right? In

1435
03:09:26,160 --> 03:09:33,359
this case, we had a specific plan. So we
were presenting a specific plan that was

1436
03:09:30,000 --> 03:09:37,600
proposing non- vinyl windows and by
means of providing all of the affordable

1437
03:09:35,200 --> 03:09:41,680
housing on site, the project has the
right to take advantage of certain

1438
03:09:39,600 --> 03:09:45,840
density bonus waiverss there. So that
was one that we were seeking. staff

1439
03:09:43,520 --> 03:09:50,479
recommended that in order to provide
enhanced quality that although we're

1440
03:09:47,840 --> 03:09:56,240
seeking the waiver provide kind of
upgraded or enhanced windows on these

1441
03:09:53,279 --> 03:10:02,479
certain elevations or locations and
that's when you know at the final um

1442
03:09:59,279 --> 03:10:07,920
point of approval that yes what's been
discussed is correct like at the time of

1443
03:10:05,200 --> 03:10:13,120
signing the development agreement those
additional enhancements

1444
03:10:10,240 --> 03:10:17,840
um were agreed to um and what we're
coming back tonight um to request is

1445
03:10:16,080 --> 03:10:25,680
basically going back to our original
density bonus waiver request of um all

1446
03:10:21,920 --> 03:10:32,720
100% vinyl windows. Um so it's not
because we didn't go out and um do

1447
03:10:28,800 --> 03:10:37,200
research and seek the um
uh the ability to provide what was

1448
03:10:35,040 --> 03:10:42,319
conditioned to the project. But again,
it says if we have to, you know, make

1449
03:10:39,760 --> 03:10:45,760
changes, um, the development agreement
allows for that. We just have to come

1450
03:10:43,680 --> 03:10:52,560
here and request them formally and get
them approved. So, um I I understand the

1451
03:10:50,240 --> 03:10:58,080
kind of a the sensitivity to all these
topics and um you know it is a back and

1452
03:10:55,200 --> 03:11:03,760
forth and give and take and um things
like the windows, the um tile accented

1453
03:11:02,160 --> 03:11:07,520
windows. These are all things that we
studied the details. We studied the

1454
03:11:05,439 --> 03:11:12,000
pricing and we came with what we felt
was kind of the balanced solution to

1455
03:11:09,279 --> 03:11:16,080
provide a high quality project that met
u the approved project conditions and

1456
03:11:14,240 --> 03:11:20,640
development agreement as close as we
could and um that's why we're here

1457
03:11:17,840 --> 03:11:25,840
tonight. If I can ask some clar. So, so
are you asserting at this point that

1458
03:11:24,319 --> 03:11:30,960
» you're not asserting that the
development agreement controls and that

1459
03:11:28,080 --> 03:11:34,000
separate and apart from the development
agreement, you have a right under the

1460
03:11:32,160 --> 03:11:36,560
density bonus laws to ask for a waiver
at this point. Is that what you're

1461
03:11:35,439 --> 03:11:41,279
suggesting?
>> No, no, no. project. Um was mentioning

1462
03:11:40,000 --> 03:11:45,120
as part of the history of the
discussions of what the project was

1463
03:11:43,439 --> 03:11:52,479
proposing, which waiverss it would be
requesting was discussing the density

1464
03:11:48,160 --> 03:11:55,600
bonus waiver for um the non vinyl window
clause of the objective design

1465
03:11:53,840 --> 03:12:00,319
standards.
through the process

1466
03:11:57,520 --> 03:12:05,520
and negotiation, the final development
agreement requested the enhancements of

1467
03:12:02,800 --> 03:12:10,479
certain locations and it so it
essentially partially approved the

1468
03:12:08,160 --> 03:12:15,359
waiver that we were originally seeking
but added enhanced areas and those are

1469
03:12:12,640 --> 03:12:18,479
the ones that were unable to uh provide
at this time.

1470
03:12:16,160 --> 03:12:24,640
» Right. So originally the project if my
my recollection is that the original

1471
03:12:20,479 --> 03:12:29,520
project proposed 100% vinyl and staff
objected to that because it violated our

1472
03:12:26,560 --> 03:12:33,040
objective development standards. And
therefore that's, you know, part of the

1473
03:12:31,359 --> 03:12:39,120
negotiations as part of the development
agreement which both the applicant and

1474
03:12:34,880 --> 03:12:44,000
the city agreed to was that based on all
of the other objectives and all of the

1475
03:12:41,760 --> 03:12:48,479
other benefits to both the applicant and
the city, the city's benefits being

1476
03:12:46,000 --> 03:12:52,640
affordable housing, significant
architectural improvements,

1477
03:12:50,720 --> 03:12:56,479
um, and benefits to the developer,
certainty, freezing of impact fees, for

1478
03:12:54,800 --> 03:13:00,160
example, that's a huge benefit to the
developer because since that time we've

1479
03:12:58,240 --> 03:13:04,399
actually adopted to new user fees and
our fees have significantly increased.

1480
03:13:02,479 --> 03:13:09,200
So there was obviously the negotiation
that occurred and at that time the

1481
03:13:06,080 --> 03:13:14,000
applicant and the developer agreed that
although vinyl windows uh were

1482
03:13:12,479 --> 03:13:16,560
prohibited under our objective
development standard since the

1483
03:13:15,279 --> 03:13:21,600
development agreement was being
negotiated, the both of the parties

1484
03:13:19,359 --> 03:13:27,680
agreed to recommend to the city council
approval of allowing vinyl windows in

1485
03:13:24,479 --> 03:13:32,960
the interior facing areas but requiring
non vinyl for the outward- facing ones

1486
03:13:30,239 --> 03:13:37,279
in concert with the objectives and the
benefits that were negotiated by the

1487
03:13:34,479 --> 03:13:39,040
parties. Is that accurate?
>> That is accurate as far as I believe.

1488
03:13:38,800 --> 03:13:43,760
Yeah.
>> Okay. And at that time, um I believe we

1489
03:13:41,840 --> 03:13:49,359
actually incorporated into the specific
plan to be clear how important that one

1490
03:13:46,880 --> 03:13:55,200
in particular was. I remember that one
in particular as uh a very important

1491
03:13:52,960 --> 03:13:58,479
attribute or aspect of the of the
project. And that's why it wasn't just

1492
03:13:56,800 --> 03:14:03,279
added as a condition of approval, but
was actually incorporated into the

1493
03:14:00,080 --> 03:14:03,279
specific plan amendment.

1494
03:14:04,160 --> 03:14:09,040
in the original approved specific plan,
right?

1495
03:14:06,479 --> 03:14:15,600
» Yeah. Yes. Okay. Thanks.
>> Right. Thank you.

1496
03:14:13,680 --> 03:14:20,239
All right. I'm now going to close the
public hearing

1497
03:14:18,000 --> 03:14:24,560
and then would anyone like to
>> public speakers?

1498
03:14:22,000 --> 03:14:27,880
» Uh I don't see any public speakers. Uh
Mr. Newman,

1499
03:14:29,279 --> 03:14:32,960
» city clerk. Correct.
>> That's correct. the public speaker who I

1500
03:14:31,840 --> 03:14:35,439
thought it was was actually the
applicant.

1501
03:14:33,920 --> 03:14:37,680
» Oh, did you hear that?
>> My apologies.

1502
03:14:36,239 --> 03:14:40,560
» No problem. Thanks for the check.
>> My apologies.

1503
03:14:38,560 --> 03:14:44,479
» Um, no problem. Anyone would like to
make a comment or motion?

1504
03:14:43,040 --> 03:14:47,120
» Mr. Angler.
>> Uh, thank you, Mayor. Yeah, I'll take

1505
03:14:46,160 --> 03:14:50,479
» Louise.
>> Mr. Adams, I clearly didn't get enough

1506
03:14:48,960 --> 03:14:51,760
sleep with this new baby. I called you
Mr. Angler.

1507
03:14:51,359 --> 03:14:56,560
» Oh,
>> sheesh.

1508
03:14:52,880 --> 03:15:00,560
» I take that as a compliment.
Anyway, uh, yeah, I'll kick it off with

1509
03:14:58,560 --> 03:15:04,319
the discussion. I think uh from what
we've heard tonight that starting off

1510
03:15:02,640 --> 03:15:10,880
with the discussion would be a good way
to go. Um I do want to acknowledge my

1511
03:15:08,319 --> 03:15:15,359
appreciation for Lato uh for the
investments they've made in our city,

1512
03:15:12,479 --> 03:15:19,439
particularly Santal, a mixeduse project
on the western end of the boulevard that

1513
03:15:17,120 --> 03:15:25,680
has been a gamecher for the city. It's
fulfilled our dream of developing the

1514
03:15:22,399 --> 03:15:30,080
101 corridor and uh it's it's an
excellent project and the project we're

1515
03:15:28,479 --> 03:15:34,640
looking at tonight is also part of the
101 corridor and a very highprofile

1516
03:15:32,800 --> 03:15:39,760
project as you say it's right next to
Amgen right on the freeway. Uh and I do

1517
03:15:37,680 --> 03:15:45,040
believe in the concept of a public
private partnership. I think there's um

1518
03:15:42,800 --> 03:15:49,439
obligations on both sides the city and
the developer to make these projects

1519
03:15:46,960 --> 03:15:54,560
happen. I do think the city has been a
good partner. Uh when you look all the

1520
03:15:51,760 --> 03:16:00,479
way back to 2023, whether it was the
general plan we amended, the zone

1521
03:15:56,560 --> 03:16:05,439
changes, the special use uh or the
specific plan, the special use permits,

1522
03:16:02,960 --> 03:16:10,399
the tree permits, the development
agreement. Um you know, we've been right

1523
03:16:08,319 --> 03:16:14,800
there. Um
we approved a 55- foot uh build uh

1524
03:16:13,120 --> 03:16:20,000
project, which is a little taller than
usual, four stories. uh

1525
03:16:18,319 --> 03:16:27,520
you were able to take advantage of the
density bonus and I think that gave you

1526
03:16:24,319 --> 03:16:32,319
87 additional units which I would which
good for you. I hope that makes the

1527
03:16:30,000 --> 03:16:38,399
project pencil out even even better. We
got some affordable units from that as

1528
03:16:34,800 --> 03:16:45,120
well. Um
you were granted as Justine said nine

1529
03:16:41,840 --> 03:16:49,760
minor mods as we went along here. Um,
that's routine.

1530
03:16:47,680 --> 03:16:54,800
What's not routine are these major
modifications.

1531
03:16:51,520 --> 03:17:00,640
That that's not routine. Uh,
I I um and and that means basically

1532
03:16:58,560 --> 03:17:03,600
starting over, you know, notifying the
public, having a planning commission

1533
03:17:02,160 --> 03:17:09,120
hearing, and here we are at the city
council.

1534
03:17:05,200 --> 03:17:12,160
And I'm I'm just concerned, you know,
the windows, the doors, and all that

1535
03:17:10,960 --> 03:17:17,279
business. That's one thing. I'm
concerned about the potential precedent

1536
03:17:14,640 --> 03:17:22,080
that this might be setting in the city.
You know, as a developer, you have a the

1537
03:17:19,120 --> 03:17:28,160
right to the original approval
and now we're looking at the approval

1538
03:17:25,040 --> 03:17:36,080
plans are are that we approved are just
not final all of a sudden. uh

1539
03:17:33,439 --> 03:17:41,600
this the precedent of that concerns me
that is the developer agreement

1540
03:17:39,279 --> 03:17:49,200
you know a an agreed upon plan or is it
just a suggestion

1541
03:17:43,600 --> 03:17:54,560
but by the uh by the city and uh I'm I
I uh I'm wonder I'm I'm worried about

1542
03:17:51,680 --> 03:17:59,680
that and I'm worried about it because
Thousand Oaks is at the forefront of

1543
03:17:56,560 --> 03:18:03,920
housing in this county by any measure
whether it's the regional studies that

1544
03:18:01,439 --> 03:18:07,439
have been done, studies by uh different
intellectual think groups and whatever.

1545
03:18:05,840 --> 03:18:12,080
We are at the forefront. We have
projects coming up out of the ground now

1546
03:18:09,279 --> 03:18:19,920
and we have projects in the pipeline
and uh

1547
03:18:14,399 --> 03:18:24,560
I just worry a little bit about the what
you would think would be the finality of

1548
03:18:21,920 --> 03:18:29,040
an entitlement and it's now becoming
flexible. What about all these other

1549
03:18:26,560 --> 03:18:33,520
projects? What what could that mean for
them?

1550
03:18:30,160 --> 03:18:39,279
Will will it mean more requests for
changes? Um will it complicate our

1551
03:18:36,160 --> 03:18:43,680
future planning?
I I see this as a potential slippery

1552
03:18:42,000 --> 03:18:49,200
slope.
Uh this demand for flexibility after

1553
03:18:46,399 --> 03:18:55,359
everything's already been agreed to. And
I worst case I see it as you know

1554
03:18:52,479 --> 03:19:00,399
community groups or competitors
you know getting uh you know getting

1555
03:18:57,439 --> 03:19:03,760
legal with us uh when it comes to a
project

1556
03:19:02,000 --> 03:19:07,680
and and as I mentioned I'm concerned
about our objective standards too. The

1557
03:19:05,600 --> 03:19:12,720
the state of California has interjected
themselves so much into the housing

1558
03:19:09,680 --> 03:19:17,600
process in cities. They've taken away a
lot of our ability. But we do have the

1559
03:19:15,520 --> 03:19:25,960
objective standards as our one of our
last lines of defense and and I really

1560
03:19:20,239 --> 03:19:25,960
think that we need to uphold those. Um

1561
03:19:26,960 --> 03:19:35,920
so those are my concerns. Um maybe we
can discuss it a little further.

1562
03:19:33,600 --> 03:19:43,760
» Mr. Angler,
>> thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um I I appreciate

1563
03:19:39,120 --> 03:19:51,439
my colleagues uh comments. um
this this uh relationship that we've had

1564
03:19:47,040 --> 03:19:55,840
with with uh uh Mr. Mayor and in company
um it's been a good relationship and I

1565
03:19:53,600 --> 03:20:00,880
think it reflects well with our staff
that comments that were made about the

1566
03:19:57,840 --> 03:20:05,439
uh cooperation among staff uh reflects
well both on the company and on the

1567
03:20:02,720 --> 03:20:13,760
city. Um,
I do have um similar concerns and uh

1568
03:20:10,720 --> 03:20:18,640
um we've been presented I suppose in
just layman's terms with a menu of

1569
03:20:15,920 --> 03:20:24,640
items, 10 items that perhaps we can
choose a few too. We could go with what

1570
03:20:21,040 --> 03:20:29,840
the uh planning commission recommended.
We could uh take all take none. It's

1571
03:20:27,840 --> 03:20:36,880
this menu of items that we're now
presented with. Um, and I've uh I've

1572
03:20:33,760 --> 03:20:43,120
said it to uh staff, I've said it to my
colleagues, designing from the dis is

1573
03:20:40,160 --> 03:20:52,160
probably the worst thing you can do.
It's not um and I'm sure the applicant

1574
03:20:46,720 --> 03:20:57,840
could also uh agree to that that when um
we five start getting involved and what

1575
03:20:55,200 --> 03:21:03,680
color the walls should be or should
there be a uh horizontal slats on the on

1576
03:21:01,520 --> 03:21:08,800
the railings or vertical slats on the
railings.

1577
03:21:06,000 --> 03:21:14,319
That's not our function. We're not good
at it. It's not what we should be doing.

1578
03:21:11,359 --> 03:21:20,560
We should be setting policy such as the
design standards, such as approving um

1579
03:21:18,560 --> 03:21:27,359
the uh development agreement, such as
approving and and and going after our

1580
03:21:23,439 --> 03:21:31,760
our specific plan for 24.
Um

1581
03:21:29,600 --> 03:21:36,000
a lot of the development uh that has
occurred and this is another good

1582
03:21:33,439 --> 03:21:42,800
example of it has been a give and take
along the way. Um my colleague mentioned

1583
03:21:40,080 --> 03:21:48,000
uh the trees. Uh there were 17 oak trees
taken out and and we all know how much

1584
03:21:45,200 --> 03:21:54,640
we love oak trees in Thousand Oaks. 17
oak trees taken out. Believe me, that

1585
03:21:51,520 --> 03:21:59,040
raised some eyebrows with the citizens.
But we were able to convince the

1586
03:21:56,160 --> 03:22:06,080
citizens that because of that sacrifice
of trees um we we received in in

1587
03:22:03,120 --> 03:22:09,520
exchange some affordable housing. We
exch

1588
03:22:07,200 --> 03:22:15,279
received in exchange the redevelopment
of a defunct office building. Um, we

1589
03:22:13,040 --> 03:22:21,359
could sell that as part of what we
approach the citizens with. That's why I

1590
03:22:17,920 --> 03:22:29,200
mentioned earlier it's our reputation as
well that is is at risk here and is is

1591
03:22:25,200 --> 03:22:34,720
uh being um talked about. um our re we
we told our citizens that this is what

1592
03:22:31,200 --> 03:22:40,640
the agreement was going to be and um I
don't I don't take breaking that trust

1593
03:22:37,279 --> 03:22:47,840
with our citizens um lightly. It it's
something that I I I stake my reputation

1594
03:22:43,279 --> 03:22:52,800
on. Um but I do agree with my colleague
Mr. Adam down at the end. Um,

1595
03:22:50,800 --> 03:22:58,800
development agreements are one of the
last things that we have to where we can

1596
03:22:55,120 --> 03:23:05,439
put a Thousand Oaks stamp on projects.
The state does preempt us in a lot of

1597
03:23:01,040 --> 03:23:09,920
different areas. Um, and uh, I mean, a
prime example is the density bonus.

1598
03:23:08,399 --> 03:23:16,319
We're willing to go along with the
density bonus even though it produces

1599
03:23:12,800 --> 03:23:21,600
larger projects than we're used to
because of the of the um give and take

1600
03:23:19,439 --> 03:23:27,040
that allows us to get that community
benefit that resulted from the the uh

1601
03:23:25,040 --> 03:23:31,520
density bonus.
But the state is more and more involved

1602
03:23:29,120 --> 03:23:40,640
in what we do here at the local level.
And I'm I'm um a little a little uh

1603
03:23:36,000 --> 03:23:46,640
hesitant to um give up what little
u influence we have with our development

1604
03:23:42,640 --> 03:23:53,680
agreements. Um I'm I'm torn on this one
because I want I want a developer that

1605
03:23:50,160 --> 03:23:59,680
has produced good good product to
continue to produce good product.

1606
03:23:57,120 --> 03:24:04,160
But for the reasons I've annunciated, I
have a problem. um designing from the

1607
03:24:02,560 --> 03:24:09,920
dis.
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1608
03:24:06,800 --> 03:24:15,520
» Mr. Newman.
>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I I want to fully

1609
03:24:12,720 --> 03:24:22,479
endorse the comments of council members
Adam and Angler and also echo as well my

1610
03:24:20,880 --> 03:24:28,000
appreciation
for what Mark Marin and team have done.

1611
03:24:25,760 --> 03:24:32,720
There was a lot of collaborative
discussion

1612
03:24:29,600 --> 03:24:37,600
prior to the July 23 approval by this
council and I was one of the council

1613
03:24:35,359 --> 03:24:41,840
members that enthusiastically voted in
favor of this project. There was a lot

1614
03:24:39,840 --> 03:24:49,439
of discussion about that night about
what a highquality project this was and

1615
03:24:44,479 --> 03:24:56,560
it is and that unlocks a lot. It gives
Mr. Marin and his team a lot of

1616
03:24:52,880 --> 03:25:01,920
benefits. The staff presentation tonight
had a bullet list of six of them. I can

1617
03:24:59,279 --> 03:25:07,840
think of at least three more. But it
also gives the community benefits. Uh

1618
03:25:04,080 --> 03:25:14,479
there is a $600 million
R&D center going in literally across the

1619
03:25:10,080 --> 03:25:20,080
street. There's another $170 million in
investment at DECA down the street and

1620
03:25:16,960 --> 03:25:26,640
this is a gateway to that. So this is a
project that will be adjacent to some

1621
03:25:24,720 --> 03:25:32,399
very high dollar and high quality
investment because

1622
03:25:28,960 --> 03:25:37,439
of an agreement between the people and
this applicant for such a high quality

1623
03:25:35,680 --> 03:25:45,359
project.
So given all that I'm

1624
03:25:41,279 --> 03:25:51,920
very torn on this. On the one hand, I'm
not at all unsympathetic to the issue of

1625
03:25:49,279 --> 03:25:56,640
rising costs for building materials. I
mean, anyone

1626
03:25:53,760 --> 03:26:03,040
who has gone into any hardware store
anywhere to buy a 2x4 in the past 5

1627
03:25:59,680 --> 03:26:09,040
years has experienced sticker shock, let
alone what Mr. Marin and team do when

1628
03:26:06,399 --> 03:26:15,200
they're buying thousands of windows and
tons of rebar and concrete at a time.

1629
03:26:13,359 --> 03:26:19,120
building costs are really significant
problem and I'm I'm not unsympathetic to

1630
03:26:17,279 --> 03:26:25,520
that
and I'm also not unsympathetic to the

1631
03:26:22,560 --> 03:26:29,359
challenges of financing. Uh we'll talk
more about that in our next agenda item

1632
03:26:27,600 --> 03:26:35,520
this evening.
It is true however that there was an

1633
03:26:31,760 --> 03:26:40,479
agreement in July 23. And further, it's
also true that investment u sorry

1634
03:26:38,000 --> 03:26:44,560
interest rates which were challenging at
the time have actually improved since

1635
03:26:42,479 --> 03:26:48,399
then. The national interest rate was
about 3.2%.

1636
03:26:46,479 --> 03:26:53,439
In July 23 when the development
agreement was reached and when the major

1637
03:26:51,279 --> 03:26:59,359
modification request came back in
December 25, the interest rate had

1638
03:26:55,840 --> 03:27:04,319
dropped a half a point to 2.7%.
So yeah, I get it that you do the deal

1639
03:27:02,479 --> 03:27:10,720
with your lenders. you can at the time
you do that deal. But this all happened,

1640
03:27:07,760 --> 03:27:17,840
these changes happen at a time of
improving, not worsening interest rates.

1641
03:27:14,880 --> 03:27:23,439
Specific to this project, my discomfort
is in three areas and I'll I'll ask

1642
03:27:20,560 --> 03:27:29,760
these in the form of questions for my
colleagues. Um first is just the

1643
03:27:26,399 --> 03:27:36,319
unprecedented nature of this.
I'm I'm this is my 12th year doing land

1644
03:27:32,720 --> 03:27:43,359
use stuff. I don't remember a developer
ever coming back to the table

1645
03:27:39,680 --> 03:27:49,920
with one major change, let alone 10
and also not as not offering anything in

1646
03:27:47,200 --> 03:27:54,160
return. There's not more affordable
units. There's not some other community

1647
03:27:52,000 --> 03:27:59,120
benefit here.
So I guess the question I'd ask my

1648
03:27:55,840 --> 03:28:02,880
colleagues is why would we
negotiate that badly? Why would why

1649
03:28:01,040 --> 03:28:08,800
would we be willing to enter into a
negotiation like that? It seems very

1650
03:28:05,520 --> 03:28:14,960
one-sided. So that's one question.
Another question is why would we

1651
03:28:11,520 --> 03:28:19,600
hamstring our staff?
Be as council member Adam mentioned,

1652
03:28:18,160 --> 03:28:22,560
it's not just this development
agreement. There are others in the

1653
03:28:20,960 --> 03:28:29,040
pipeline
and as council member Angler may prom

1654
03:28:25,840 --> 03:28:34,640
Angler I'm sorry mentioned
a development agreement is one of the

1655
03:28:30,960 --> 03:28:43,600
last toolkits we have here locally.
Why would we lessen the value of that,

1656
03:28:38,479 --> 03:28:49,920
the sanctity of that bond between an
applicant and the people,

1657
03:28:46,560 --> 03:28:55,840
which is what what this would do.
And then finally, I I appreciate Mr.

1658
03:28:52,960 --> 03:28:59,920
Marin's statement that he's not looking
to increase profit here. I believe that

1659
03:28:57,680 --> 03:29:05,279
this is this is about what his lenders
want, not what he wants. That that's

1660
03:29:02,000 --> 03:29:11,439
probably right. I I take him at his word
on that.

1661
03:29:07,040 --> 03:29:17,040
But when there's this agreement,
we do agreements because build builders,

1662
03:29:14,319 --> 03:29:20,399
businesses of all kind like certainty.
And a development agreement provides

1663
03:29:18,720 --> 03:29:25,040
certainty.
But it provides certainty to two

1664
03:29:22,160 --> 03:29:31,359
parties. Not only to a developer, but
also to the people. And the people were

1665
03:29:28,640 --> 03:29:35,200
promised a very high quality project in
July 23.

1666
03:29:33,520 --> 03:29:40,800
And what we're being asked to do here
tonight is a lessening of that quality

1667
03:29:38,399 --> 03:29:48,000
in 10 different ways.
And that is essentially a transfer of

1668
03:29:43,040 --> 03:29:53,600
wealth away from the people toward
Mr. Marin's investors.

1669
03:29:51,040 --> 03:29:59,600
And maybe that's a good idea, maybe it's
not. But if we're prioritizing things, I

1670
03:29:57,680 --> 03:30:04,000
understand that a developer should be
asking

1671
03:30:01,920 --> 03:30:10,160
to
optimize his business and optimize his

1672
03:30:06,399 --> 03:30:14,640
his or her returns. That's that's
literally the business. I get that. But

1673
03:30:13,359 --> 03:30:19,200
here on the other side of the table,
that's not our business. Our business is

1674
03:30:17,359 --> 03:30:24,479
to ensure we are doing right by our
citizens. that we are prioritizing

1675
03:30:22,080 --> 03:30:30,560
community interests and the community
interest here is the very high quality

1676
03:30:27,760 --> 03:30:33,840
project that we all agreed to in July
23.

1677
03:30:32,080 --> 03:30:39,200
So those are those are the three
questions I would ask is is if we are

1678
03:30:36,960 --> 03:30:46,080
going to contemplate making changes um
why would we be doing that and who would

1679
03:30:41,680 --> 03:30:52,080
benefit? So, I I don't have a motion to
offer at this time. Um, but those three

1680
03:30:49,120 --> 03:30:57,760
areas are my three areas of discomfort
around this. Thank you.

1681
03:30:54,800 --> 03:31:05,200
» Thank you, Mr. Newman, Miss Gutierrez.
>> Thank you, Mayor Taylor. I I also uh

1682
03:31:02,239 --> 03:31:15,520
like my fellow council members are gra I
feel myself grappling with the um

1683
03:31:11,439 --> 03:31:24,560
with bringing a
helping or assisting or continuing to um

1684
03:31:20,239 --> 03:31:30,399
usher this project forward to fruition.
um the 30 units of lowcost

1685
03:31:27,359 --> 03:31:35,120
um affordable units is not lost on me um
not to be confused for the for the

1686
03:31:32,319 --> 03:31:41,600
public with moderate cost um affordable
housing. So that's significant. Um as my

1687
03:31:38,640 --> 03:31:46,880
colleagues have um articulated very
beautifully all of the elements of uh

1688
03:31:44,080 --> 03:31:55,920
collaboration and
um proven um just well done work that is

1689
03:31:53,439 --> 03:32:03,840
here in Thousand out Thousand Oaks
already um and we would like to see

1690
03:31:58,720 --> 03:32:12,080
continue. I too want to
um make sure that I'm doing my job and I

1691
03:32:07,840 --> 03:32:18,399
think we're we're all of the same uh
notion here and can agree amongst

1692
03:32:14,239 --> 03:32:27,040
ourselves that our job is to ensure that
the community value that was initially

1693
03:32:22,319 --> 03:32:32,239
negotiated stays intact. I
I

1694
03:32:30,000 --> 03:32:39,319
and and I think I'll leave it at that. I
I think if there were conversations

1695
03:32:36,080 --> 03:32:39,319
um around

1696
03:32:39,439 --> 03:32:50,080
uh an exchange instead of a a a straight
ask and there were more there was more

1697
03:32:44,960 --> 03:32:56,720
on the table for the community to um to
gain from this ex this amendment. I

1698
03:32:53,840 --> 03:33:02,399
would be it would it would be less of a
grapple. That would be a clear a clear

1699
03:33:00,160 --> 03:33:06,880
um negotiation. Right now it just feels
like an ask on something that was very

1700
03:33:05,200 --> 03:33:13,920
intently
um negotiated and balanced between the

1701
03:33:09,680 --> 03:33:18,479
two parties. And um
yeah, I just and for those reasons, I

1702
03:33:15,840 --> 03:33:22,840
too don't have a motion. And and um
we'll leave it at that. Thank you so

1703
03:33:19,840 --> 03:33:22,840
much.

1704
03:33:24,160 --> 03:33:31,760
I'll start by saying thank you. We
appreciate you guys. We appreciate the

1705
03:33:29,520 --> 03:33:36,000
time and investment that you have made
and continue to make in our community.

1706
03:33:34,319 --> 03:33:41,600
Um, you know, a couple of things
mentioned from my council members that I

1707
03:33:39,279 --> 03:33:46,479
do agree with
the

1708
03:33:43,840 --> 03:33:54,399
the negotiation aspect and when we're
speaking to other developers,

1709
03:33:49,840 --> 03:33:59,920
if we're known as a body that agrees
upon terms and then is constantly

1710
03:33:57,359 --> 03:34:05,439
changing them after the fact, I I don't
like that positioning that it puts the

1711
03:34:02,560 --> 03:34:09,520
city in. I I think we lose credibility
and we lose leverage. So, I would agree

1712
03:34:07,120 --> 03:34:13,600
with both of you guys. I don't like that
position.

1713
03:34:11,600 --> 03:34:18,720
Second, you know, Mr. Angler brought up
a good point that I didn't factor into

1714
03:34:16,319 --> 03:34:25,439
this, which I think is valuable. The
local policy makers have been stripped

1715
03:34:21,600 --> 03:34:29,760
of so much. And it does feel like
there's very little that we get to

1716
03:34:26,960 --> 03:34:33,439
control. And
the design standard I think is an

1717
03:34:31,760 --> 03:34:38,720
important one especially as we're going
through a pretty big change as we're

1718
03:34:36,720 --> 03:34:43,760
starting to see development in our
community. A lot of that is multif

1719
03:34:40,399 --> 03:34:48,319
family and multif family has the
tendency of looking like big boxes. It's

1720
03:34:46,399 --> 03:34:53,680
very easy for multif family to not look
good. And one thing I do appreciate

1721
03:34:51,359 --> 03:34:58,479
about Lato Group is your guys product is
very good. I I think you guys are

1722
03:34:55,840 --> 03:35:04,239
helping this city maintain a great
character. But what I would agree with

1723
03:35:00,720 --> 03:35:08,479
you, I don't want to lose that either.
You know, something that was mentioned,

1724
03:35:06,319 --> 03:35:13,359
I think Mark mentioned this, is just the
development environment,

1725
03:35:10,640 --> 03:35:18,479
and it it is brutal out there,
especially for multif family. I I I I

1726
03:35:15,680 --> 03:35:22,560
completely agree with you
and I want to be mindful of how we are

1727
03:35:20,960 --> 03:35:27,840
as a city when we're working with
developers because as policy makers

1728
03:35:25,279 --> 03:35:33,279
there's the balance that that Mr. Angler
brought up. What is the community

1729
03:35:29,760 --> 03:35:37,760
benefit and how do we create policy that
gives potential benefit to the community

1730
03:35:35,200 --> 03:35:42,399
without being so
offbalance that no one can invest here?

1731
03:35:40,479 --> 03:35:45,840
There's just no return to be made. And
if there's no return to be made, no

1732
03:35:44,239 --> 03:35:51,279
one's going to take the risk. And so
that's the balance that that we're up

1733
03:35:48,080 --> 03:35:55,600
against. And
how at least I look at it is when we're

1734
03:35:53,359 --> 03:35:59,840
creating the original entitlement, and I
mentioned this when we spoke when we

1735
03:35:57,359 --> 03:36:05,200
entitled your guys project, I was very
willing to figure out where there was

1736
03:36:02,399 --> 03:36:11,120
room on our end to make it so that you
guys had a viable and successful

1737
03:36:07,840 --> 03:36:16,399
project. And I do understand that
there's assumptions that are made and I

1738
03:36:14,000 --> 03:36:22,800
do understand that things have changed,
but I don't like that now we're back at

1739
03:36:20,239 --> 03:36:27,439
the point where we're having to consider
additional

1740
03:36:24,640 --> 03:36:32,239
options to make the project more viable
after the fact because certain

1741
03:36:29,760 --> 03:36:37,040
assumptions weren't realized. And so I
don't like the timing of it. I guess

1742
03:36:33,840 --> 03:36:42,960
what I'm wrestling with is and I tend to
be like this. Where is the balance? And

1743
03:36:39,600 --> 03:36:46,880
I I don't feel like this is this is the
balance. Now, if I'm being truthful, I

1744
03:36:44,960 --> 03:36:51,120
think the project we entitled I think it
looks better. When I was looking at the

1745
03:36:48,720 --> 03:36:55,840
A verse B, I do think the original
project looked better.

1746
03:36:53,760 --> 03:37:00,560
I want to protect the credibility of the
council and so I'm struggling with it as

1747
03:36:58,479 --> 03:37:04,479
well. Um this is not an easy one. And I
would say one of the more difficult

1748
03:37:02,720 --> 03:37:09,359
ones.
I'm okay if there's more discussion to

1749
03:37:06,239 --> 03:37:14,200
be had, but before I do that, I will
entertain a motion if anyone has one.

1750
03:37:15,520 --> 03:37:22,880
» Mr. Mayor,
>> Mr. Newman.

1751
03:37:19,600 --> 03:37:28,960
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
>> I I don't disagree with anything any any

1752
03:37:25,680 --> 03:37:34,960
of you have said. Um, I'm appreciative
of the applicant. I'm appreciative of

1753
03:37:32,319 --> 03:37:38,880
the challenge, very challenging
environment,

1754
03:37:36,560 --> 03:37:44,800
uh, we're in, especially around multif
family housing. I'm appreciative

1755
03:37:42,080 --> 03:37:50,720
of the affordable units, which is, as
we'll hear further tonight, by far our

1756
03:37:47,520 --> 03:37:56,239
greatest unmet housing need.
and I'm appreciative of the deal that we

1757
03:37:52,720 --> 03:38:04,479
reached in 2023 and would like to see
that deal go forward. So, for all those

1758
03:37:59,359 --> 03:38:11,200
reasons, I'm going to move that we
do not consider modifications to the

1759
03:38:07,680 --> 03:38:20,319
development agreement and
reject the um all of the asks in item

1760
03:38:15,760 --> 03:38:28,960
10. And madame clerk, if I I apologize
for phrasing that so in in articul

1761
03:38:24,880 --> 03:38:34,800
in artfully. Um
well actually it

1762
03:38:32,080 --> 03:38:44,960
you 10A asks to consider and provide
direction. So my motion would be to not

1763
03:38:40,319 --> 03:38:50,479
make amendments to SP24.
the DA

1764
03:38:46,880 --> 03:38:56,760
or the development permit and to find
that this action is SQA exempt. Thank

1765
03:38:53,279 --> 03:38:56,760
you, Mr. Mayor.

1766
03:38:57,600 --> 03:39:04,120
» State clerk. Well, I'll stop. Anything
else to discuss now? There's a motion.

1767
03:39:05,040 --> 03:39:11,680
» Lauri, you have the motion. Everything's
good with it.

1768
03:39:09,600 --> 03:39:14,720
» Yes. Except I would like to clarify
that's not SQA exempt. It previously had

1769
03:39:14,080 --> 03:39:17,840
an EI.
>> Exactly. It's not that it's exempt. It's

1770
03:39:16,399 --> 03:39:20,399
reliant on the previous E.
>> It's SEA compliant. I'm sorry.

1771
03:39:19,920 --> 03:39:22,080
» Complaint.
>> Thank you, Mr. Newman.

1772
03:39:21,279 --> 03:39:27,960
» Okay.
>> Thank you. Sorry.

1773
03:39:24,160 --> 03:39:27,960
» Will you please call the vote?

1774
03:39:28,800 --> 03:39:34,479
» Council member Adam,
>> yes.

1775
03:39:32,399 --> 03:39:36,720
» Council member Newman,
>> I.

1776
03:39:35,120 --> 03:39:38,720
» Council member Gutierrez,
>> yes.

1777
03:39:37,200 --> 03:39:40,319
» Mayor Prom Angler,
>> yes.

1778
03:39:39,120 --> 03:39:45,319
» And Mayor Taylor,
>> yes. And that motion passes 5 to zero.

1779
03:39:48,319 --> 03:39:56,760
» Let's do that. Let's do a 5m minute
break and we will be be back at about

1780
03:39:53,760 --> 03:39:56,760
8:30.

1781
03:45:32,479 --> 03:45:35,479
Heat. Heat.

1782
03:50:18,640 --> 03:50:23,960
hanging in there.
I love it.

1783
03:50:36,960 --> 03:50:44,399
All right, we are back. Next is
tonight's department report. Presenting

1784
03:50:42,560 --> 03:50:47,399
the report will be senior planner Ian
Holtz.

1785
03:50:52,720 --> 03:50:58,560
» All right. Thank you, Mayor, Council
members. So, uh, before you tonight, uh,

1786
03:50:57,040 --> 03:51:05,160
is a summary of the general plan and
housing element annual progress report

1787
03:51:00,319 --> 03:51:05,160
for the 2025 calendar year.

1788
03:51:05,199 --> 03:51:10,640
As a quick background, uh, California
government code requires all

1789
03:51:08,960 --> 03:51:15,040
jurisdictions to file a general plan
annual housing progress report as well

1790
03:51:13,199 --> 03:51:19,120
as a housing element annual progress
report and the housing successor agency

1791
03:51:17,520 --> 03:51:24,000
annual report to the state office of
land use and climate innovation or LCI

1792
03:51:22,399 --> 03:51:29,920
and uh the housing and community
development department prior to April

1793
03:51:26,800 --> 03:51:35,520
1st of each year. uh these reports uh
for 2025 um and are required to be

1794
03:51:33,600 --> 03:51:41,319
submitted for each jurisdiction's lead
decision-making body in a public setting

1795
03:51:37,279 --> 03:51:41,319
prior to submitting to the state.

1796
03:51:42,000 --> 03:51:48,880
So throughout 2025 um there's been uh
several general plan implementation

1797
03:51:46,800 --> 03:51:53,359
actions that were either initiated or
have made um some significant progress.

1798
03:51:51,600 --> 03:51:57,600
The full list of these short-term items
are contained in attachment one of the

1799
03:51:55,120 --> 03:52:03,359
staff report. Uh some of the actions to
highlight for you tonight are uh under

1800
03:52:00,160 --> 03:52:09,520
the land use and safety chapters. Um
first off under uh the comprehensive

1801
03:52:05,760 --> 03:52:14,880
code update uh land use A1 uh there's a
work currently underway uh aligning the

1802
03:52:11,920 --> 03:52:19,760
zoning regulations with the 2020 45
general plan. Uh variety of um technical

1803
03:52:18,399 --> 03:52:24,399
assessments has been done by the
consultant evaluating the existing code.

1804
03:52:22,399 --> 03:52:30,160
A series of public workshops were held
gathering feedback and uh the zoning and

1805
03:52:27,600 --> 03:52:35,439
sign code is currently being drafted.
There's expectation that the code would

1806
03:52:32,160 --> 03:52:39,840
be released for public review in 2026.
Um also is the continued effort and

1807
03:52:37,840 --> 03:52:44,479
progress on the downtown Thousand Oaks
project. Uh entitlement action uh

1808
03:52:42,319 --> 03:52:48,560
applications were submitted um and
processed or currently being processed

1809
03:52:46,880 --> 03:52:54,880
but were being processed towards the end
of 2025.

1810
03:52:50,880 --> 03:53:01,040
also uh uh implementation items in uh
steps towards adopting streetcape

1811
03:52:56,960 --> 03:53:08,960
standards. Uh in 2025 there has been uh
work doing uh moving forward updating

1812
03:53:04,640 --> 03:53:12,800
the uh active transportation plan um
which would inform any kind of design

1813
03:53:11,199 --> 03:53:16,560
details for like the Thousand Oaks
Boulevard and other streetscape

1814
03:53:14,720 --> 03:53:22,600
standards
used by the public works and community

1815
03:53:18,000 --> 03:53:22,600
development department. Moving

1816
03:53:24,319 --> 03:53:32,479
on to the housing element progress
report. Um

1817
03:53:29,520 --> 03:53:37,760
so the sixth cycle housing element was
adopted back in December 5th, 2023.

1818
03:53:35,920 --> 03:53:41,279
Um
the report includes a summary of the

1819
03:53:39,520 --> 03:53:46,319
residential housing and building permit
activity progress towards meeting the

1820
03:53:43,120 --> 03:53:52,000
six cycle reena uh implementation of the
housing programs and the housing

1821
03:53:48,319 --> 03:53:59,439
successor annual um successor agency
annual report.

1822
03:53:54,800 --> 03:54:03,199
Major component of the excuse me major
component of the housing element is the

1823
03:54:00,800 --> 03:54:07,359
reena allocation which provided by HCD
in coordination with the Southern

1824
03:54:04,800 --> 03:54:11,199
California Association of Governments.
Uh the city of has met that reena

1825
03:54:09,520 --> 03:54:15,359
allocation by actually adopting the
general plan and reszoning the areas

1826
03:54:13,040 --> 03:54:21,120
that would facilitate the building of
housing u in those numbers which is uh

1827
03:54:19,520 --> 03:54:25,560
2,621
units were allocated to our

1828
03:54:22,560 --> 03:54:25,560
jurisdiction.

1829
03:54:32,560 --> 03:54:41,120
First off, um for 2025, this slide
summarizes uh table A of the housing u

1830
03:54:38,160 --> 03:54:49,040
development applications submitted. Um
these are applications we have received

1831
03:54:44,239 --> 03:54:53,760
143 within 2025. Of those 143
applications submitted, there were 139

1832
03:54:51,920 --> 03:55:01,120
units approved.
Um but the total number of units

1833
03:54:56,720 --> 03:55:07,120
proposed is far more. We have 554 units
of which um a significant amount of the

1834
03:55:04,640 --> 03:55:13,760
units submitted are captured in three
pending projects. 411 um apartments that

1835
03:55:10,720 --> 03:55:20,160
are spread across the 195 East Hellcrest
development uh and uh two projects along

1836
03:55:17,439 --> 03:55:24,880
Herbs Road. Uh all these projects all
have density bonus applications and are

1837
03:55:22,080 --> 03:55:30,439
providing affordable housing
and will be continued to be processed um

1838
03:55:27,199 --> 03:55:30,439
in 2026.

1839
03:55:34,239 --> 03:55:44,080
So just to quickly summarize uh yeah for
2025 we had 139 units uh approved

1840
03:55:41,439 --> 03:55:48,239
um that is planning entitlements
uh of which

1841
03:55:46,319 --> 03:55:55,640
130 of those are accessory dwelling
units uh six single family and three

1842
03:55:51,359 --> 03:55:55,640
were uh SB9 units.

1843
03:56:01,199 --> 03:56:10,960
In 2025, uh the number of building
permits issued was 111 for accounting

1844
03:56:07,199 --> 03:56:19,560
for 340 new housing units. Um those are
broken up into 97 dwelling units, nine

1845
03:56:13,520 --> 03:56:19,560
single family and 234 multifamily units.

1846
03:56:24,000 --> 03:56:29,760
So 2025 marks the biggest number of
units permitted in the first year

1847
03:56:28,000 --> 03:56:38,399
capturing affordable housing since the
adoption of the housing element. Um

1848
03:56:33,760 --> 03:56:45,040
those units uh are spread the well the
234 units that are spread amongst the um

1849
03:56:42,399 --> 03:56:51,600
the permits issued are associated with
the 1818 Los Feliz Apartments as well as

1850
03:56:47,840 --> 03:56:51,600
the timber school site.

1851
03:56:56,160 --> 03:57:04,800
This slide summarizes this uh table B of
the report. Uh it gives the total number

1852
03:57:02,399 --> 03:57:12,800
of perpends issued in the sixth cycle
for 21 2021 to 2029. There's 1,934

1853
03:57:10,319 --> 03:57:17,439
remaining units for the sixth cycle with
687 units permitted in total for the

1854
03:57:15,359 --> 03:57:21,199
current housing cycle.
As a reminder, the city's fulfilled its

1855
03:57:19,199 --> 03:57:27,199
RENA obligation as part of zoning the
land to accommodate the 2,621

1856
03:57:24,319 --> 03:57:30,160
units. However, uh building permits are
not representative of all the recent

1857
03:57:28,560 --> 03:57:35,840
development entitlements approved by the
city council. While there are only 340

1858
03:57:33,279 --> 03:57:40,720
units permitted in 2025,
approximately 1600 residential units

1859
03:57:38,560 --> 03:57:47,560
with approved entitlements, including
263 deed restricted affordable units uh

1860
03:57:43,920 --> 03:57:47,560
that are in the pipeline.

1861
03:57:53,920 --> 03:58:00,479
The number of building permits issued by
the city is anticipated to increase

1862
03:57:57,680 --> 03:58:06,399
dramatically in the coming years uh with
the issuing of building permits for

1863
03:58:03,040 --> 03:58:12,960
several projects including uh 500 East
Thousand Oaks Boulevard with 328 units

1864
03:58:09,760 --> 03:58:19,040
including 44 low-income units, Latiggo
Hillrest project with 333 units, and

1865
03:58:15,920 --> 03:58:27,359
three moderate and 30 very low units. Uh
also 325 or the IMT project on or 325

1866
03:58:23,279 --> 03:58:34,840
Hampshire Road 420 units and then at
1500 Pacino Circle it's also known as

1867
03:58:30,080 --> 03:58:34,840
the Chappelle Apartments with 27 units.

1868
03:58:35,439 --> 03:58:40,399
Staff continues to work with developers
to ensure the completion of the projects

1869
03:58:38,960 --> 03:58:45,479
and are confident that the affordable
units will be full building permits in

1870
03:58:42,319 --> 03:58:45,479
the future.

1871
03:58:47,840 --> 03:58:56,080
So as part of the program implementation
highlights uh under programs 3 and 8 uh

1872
03:58:53,520 --> 03:59:07,000
the ADU regulations had been updated in
2025 to be consistent with state law uh

1873
03:59:00,319 --> 03:59:07,000
primarily with AB 2533 and SB 1211.

1874
03:59:11,279 --> 03:59:18,319
And then under program seven, uh, the
city continues to work with people's

1875
03:59:16,160 --> 03:59:23,040
self-help housing on the 78 unit for
sale town home project, uh, together

1876
03:59:20,800 --> 03:59:26,960
with the housing land trust Ventura
County to condition the units as

1877
03:59:24,560 --> 03:59:32,160
affordable into perpet per perpetuity.
In 2025, the developer was awarded a

1878
03:59:29,359 --> 03:59:40,000
total of 12.5 million in funding from
California HCD, Cal Home, HP Home, and

1879
03:59:36,000 --> 03:59:46,880
PHA programs.
Also under program 7, the Thrive Grove

1880
03:59:43,199 --> 03:59:51,279
Navigation Center opened in June 2025,
uh, which provided 30 modular non-

1881
03:59:49,199 --> 03:59:55,399
congregate emergency shelter units with
on-site navigation services.

1882
03:59:58,080 --> 04:00:05,840
Also under program 9, uh, a variety of
community service support grants. City

1883
04:00:03,920 --> 04:00:11,439
general funds provided support service
for 281 persons who are homeless, at

1884
04:00:08,880 --> 04:00:16,399
risk of home homelessness or lower
income residents. Uh, CDBG funds

1885
04:00:14,319 --> 04:00:20,160
provided support services for 12 persons
who are homeless and 719

1886
04:00:18,399 --> 04:00:23,160
non-homelessness, lower income
residents.

1887
04:00:25,040 --> 04:00:32,080
and some of the other remaining uh
housing programs 12 program 12 mobile

1888
04:00:29,840 --> 04:00:37,040
home rehabilitation
uh city city CDBG grants provide

1889
04:00:34,800 --> 04:00:43,520
rehabilitation assistance for 20 lower
income seniorowned owner occupied mobile

1890
04:00:39,840 --> 04:00:48,640
home units under program 13 rental
housing rehabilitation CDBG grants

1891
04:00:46,160 --> 04:00:52,640
accomplish the rehabilitation of 72
affordal units in the Bella Vista

1892
04:00:50,720 --> 04:00:57,279
apartments
program 14 uh affordable housing

1893
04:00:55,359 --> 04:01:02,239
monitoring and preservation of at risk
housing. The city continues to monitor

1894
04:00:59,120 --> 04:01:08,160
the affordability of 975 apartment units
and 37 single family units.

1895
04:01:05,439 --> 04:01:12,399
And then lastly, under program 18, which
is our neighborhood improvement program,

1896
04:01:10,720 --> 04:01:16,399
uh city public works department has
conducted a variety of bicycle,

1897
04:01:14,800 --> 04:01:20,640
sidewalk, and other infrastructure
improvements in low resource census

1898
04:01:18,880 --> 04:01:24,960
tracks as well as sensitive community
census tracks. Those consist of a

1899
04:01:23,359 --> 04:01:30,479
variety of projects such as pavement
overlay programs,

1900
04:01:27,040 --> 04:01:35,279
uh, traffic signal painting restoration,
uh, curb pedestrian crossings along

1901
04:01:32,640 --> 04:01:40,160
Thousand Oaks Boulevard, a variety of
flood mitigation projects along Herbs

1902
04:01:37,199 --> 04:01:45,239
Road, as well as wastewater pipe and
maintenance um, upgrades.

1903
04:01:45,920 --> 04:01:51,760
So with that, that concludes uh the
summary report and staff recommends the

1904
04:01:50,080 --> 04:01:57,520
city council receive and file this
report, find this action is not a

1905
04:01:53,840 --> 04:02:01,120
project under SQA. Uh and after tonight,
uh staff will submit this report to the

1906
04:01:59,279 --> 04:02:06,560
state office of land use and climate
innovation and the housing and community

1907
04:02:03,680 --> 04:02:11,359
development department by April 1st. Um
staff's available for any questions.

1908
04:02:09,120 --> 04:02:14,920
» Thank you, Mr. Holt. Does anyone from
council have questions?

1909
04:02:15,520 --> 04:02:18,840
Mr. Newman.

1910
04:02:23,199 --> 04:02:29,760
» Thank you, Mayor. I have comments, not
questions. Is it Is it appropriate to

1911
04:02:27,840 --> 04:02:33,640
make those at this time or do we want to
hold for questions first?

1912
04:02:40,080 --> 04:02:49,840
Oh, oh, oh, oh. Okay, got it.
So, no questions. Okay.

1913
04:02:46,720 --> 04:02:58,199
Now, we will have speakers. And we have
one speaker tonight on Zoom, which is

1914
04:02:53,760 --> 04:02:58,199
Oh, we're a mess tonight, Mr. Angler.

1915
04:02:58,239 --> 04:03:08,720
» Okay. Um, one of the obvious um
questions I think people would have uh

1916
04:03:05,040 --> 04:03:15,680
is meeting our our arena numbers across
the board. Um, uh, I got a feeling that

1917
04:03:12,000 --> 04:03:20,800
perhaps my my, uh, council, uh,
colleague would be speaking to this as

1918
04:03:17,920 --> 04:03:25,120
well, but is is are we is there anything
else we could do to encourage uh,

1919
04:03:22,960 --> 04:03:29,760
development? I know we have we have set
up the areas that are available for

1920
04:03:27,359 --> 04:03:34,800
development. We've made that through our
general plan and through um, you know,

1921
04:03:32,239 --> 04:03:38,239
our housing element, making sure that we
have the spots for this type of

1922
04:03:36,560 --> 04:03:43,040
development. Is there anything that
we're missing or anything we can do to

1923
04:03:39,920 --> 04:03:46,840
make uh more development available to uh
our our community?

1924
04:03:47,760 --> 04:03:55,279
Well, um I mean it staff does continue
to uh you know receive inquiries

1925
04:03:53,040 --> 04:04:00,239
regarding housing and you know
facilitate um pre-application

1926
04:03:57,520 --> 04:04:06,640
consultations in regard so that you know
developers have an idea of you know what

1927
04:04:04,640 --> 04:04:12,239
works within the land you know the the
confines of the land use designations

1928
04:04:08,479 --> 04:04:18,640
and the policies of the city. Um also we
as part of one of the programs we do

1929
04:04:15,439 --> 04:04:22,720
also um have to post and that this will
be a work in progress you know the

1930
04:04:20,479 --> 04:04:29,279
available sites that we have um those
identified in the housing element um and

1931
04:04:26,239 --> 04:04:34,800
also do outreach to developers to
basically see where the development

1932
04:04:31,600 --> 04:04:39,359
community is at in terms of seeking
properties for building housing in the

1933
04:04:36,479 --> 04:04:43,199
community. And if I could add to that,
uh, city council has done everything

1934
04:04:40,880 --> 04:04:47,520
within their purview to provide the
opportunities for housing to be built.

1935
04:04:45,600 --> 04:04:52,880
You've used a number of tools at your
disposal to provide opportunities for

1936
04:04:50,399 --> 04:04:57,199
market rate and affordable housing, even
going as far as to fund affordable

1937
04:04:54,720 --> 04:05:01,520
housing projects. So, council is on
point on point for providing the

1938
04:04:59,760 --> 04:05:05,279
opportunities for additional housing to
be constructed.

1939
04:05:03,199 --> 04:05:08,479
» Thank you for that. I I know we do have
some some projects in the pipeline

1940
04:05:07,040 --> 04:05:14,080
coming through and that's that's
encouraging. Um I just want it to be

1941
04:05:11,840 --> 04:05:17,600
known that uh the city of Thousand Oaks
is interested in meeting those numbers

1942
04:05:15,520 --> 04:05:23,160
if at all possible and that's something
that we're we're encouraging folks to

1943
04:05:19,760 --> 04:05:23,160
help us with.

1944
04:05:24,800 --> 04:05:34,239
» All righty. We will now move to our
speaker for the night, Jackson Piper.

1945
04:05:31,840 --> 04:05:36,479
» Uh good evening, Mr. Mayor and members
of the city council. Uh, can you hear

1946
04:05:35,760 --> 04:05:40,479
me? All right.
>> Yes, sound great.

1947
04:05:37,680 --> 04:05:45,120
» Oh, great. U, my name is Jackson Piper.
I'm from unincorporated Newbury Park and

1948
04:05:43,279 --> 04:05:50,560
uh, I've spoken before this council many
times before as a housing advocate for

1949
04:05:48,000 --> 04:05:56,319
Ventura County Yimi. Uh, so I'm here in
that capacity today also um, along with

1950
04:05:54,080 --> 04:06:02,399
some other housing advocates uh, that I
I've worked with over the years. So, um,

1951
04:06:00,319 --> 04:06:07,600
first off, I do want to say I appreciate
all that the city of Thousand Oaks has

1952
04:06:04,399 --> 04:06:12,479
done up to this point to, um, to build
to get more housing built within the

1953
04:06:09,199 --> 04:06:16,239
city. Um,
the current economic situation across

1954
04:06:14,640 --> 04:06:22,880
the globe is not great. It looks like
it's going to be worse for the

1955
04:06:17,920 --> 04:06:28,640
foreseeable future. Um, that being said,
and while I recognize that there are a

1956
04:06:25,359 --> 04:06:34,880
lot of levers uh that deal, you know,
that affect housing that people on the

1957
04:06:31,760 --> 04:06:41,120
city council cannot control, I still
think the city needs to be doing more to

1958
04:06:37,920 --> 04:06:46,080
produce more housing. Uh, especially in
those lower income categories where we

1959
04:06:43,840 --> 04:06:53,600
are not anywhere near meeting the Rhino
targets. Um, I do appreciate that we are

1960
04:06:50,399 --> 04:06:58,160
a significant part of the way uh towards
meeting our overall goals. Um, and it's

1961
04:06:56,479 --> 04:07:04,399
heartening to hear that we have what
1,600 or so units um in the pipeline

1962
04:07:01,520 --> 04:07:11,279
that are approved but not yet uh
permitted for for building. Um,

1963
04:07:08,319 --> 04:07:14,960
but the reality has always been that
Thousand Oaks, like just about every

1964
04:07:12,720 --> 04:07:20,080
other community in California, hasn't
built nearly enough housing to meet the

1965
04:07:17,359 --> 04:07:27,439
demand and the need uh for people that
want to live there. And that just forces

1966
04:07:24,319 --> 04:07:33,920
people with less means to uh support
themselves out of the community. So, we

1967
04:07:30,319 --> 04:07:38,960
lose out on people um
who are lower income or who or don't

1968
04:07:36,080 --> 04:07:44,880
have the means or who who
haven't had the benefit of being able to

1969
04:07:42,319 --> 04:07:48,000
purchase a house early enough where it
was cheap and then just hold on to it

1970
04:07:46,399 --> 04:07:53,920
for decades.
Um, I'm asking you to look at and and

1971
04:07:51,199 --> 04:07:58,720
the zoning and land use elements and
housing element of the um the general

1972
04:07:56,479 --> 04:08:02,640
plan. We did go over years ago, a few
years ago, and it was it was great work,

1973
04:08:01,279 --> 04:08:06,640
but I think we need to look at that
again and see where things can be

1974
04:08:04,399 --> 04:08:11,120
tweaked to get more housing produced in
the city. And we need to look at any

1975
04:08:09,359 --> 04:08:16,800
other mechanisms that the city council
has leverage over to encourage

1976
04:08:13,840 --> 04:08:23,120
developers to build in the city and to
speed up the process between

1977
04:08:20,000 --> 04:08:28,880
approval and actually getting a project
open for um habitation. So those are my

1978
04:08:26,399 --> 04:08:32,880
thoughts. Thank you and um please do all
you can to produce more housing in the

1979
04:08:30,800 --> 04:08:37,279
city. Thank you.
>> Thank you Drew Powers.

1980
04:08:35,359 --> 04:08:43,359
» Yeah. and I'll let staff add any other
pieces in the um response section here.

1981
04:08:39,920 --> 04:08:46,960
Uh appreciated um Mr. Proper's comments.
Um and I just want to remind the council

1982
04:08:45,359 --> 04:08:51,359
and the community at large, the single
biggest missing component uh right now

1983
04:08:49,439 --> 04:08:54,800
is a funding stream uh to provide
affordable housing. Uh we've done a

1984
04:08:53,199 --> 04:09:00,000
tremendous amount uh this council
reszone 600 acres. Um and we're seeing

1985
04:08:57,439 --> 04:09:04,239
tremendous in interest. uh a lot of
factors that have been talked about at

1986
04:09:01,520 --> 04:09:09,359
Nauseium that are affecting the pace of
building, but um as you know, we're

1987
04:09:07,439 --> 04:09:12,800
working on a project at Herbs and
Hillrest that's a for sale affordable

1988
04:09:11,199 --> 04:09:17,359
project. We're likely to be back in
front of you with some other components

1989
04:09:14,239 --> 04:09:21,120
to that soon. Um but that's a great
illustration of just how challenging it

1990
04:09:18,880 --> 04:09:24,800
is to materialize these uh these
components even when you underwrite land

1991
04:09:22,880 --> 04:09:28,239
cost and do these things. Uh the state
has put a lot of requirements out there.

1992
04:09:26,160 --> 04:09:31,199
you saw those numbers and those those
numbers are real. They're daunting.

1993
04:09:29,600 --> 04:09:35,840
That's every city has different numbers
to that effect. And um without the the

1994
04:09:34,319 --> 04:09:40,960
necessary funding that we used to have
in the RDA era that that we built,00

1995
04:09:39,120 --> 04:09:44,640
units of affordable housing with during
that period of time, it's just going to

1996
04:09:42,880 --> 04:09:51,439
be difficult to elicit significant
production beyond inloo production in in

1997
04:09:48,479 --> 04:09:56,080
housing.
>> Steph want to add anything?

1998
04:09:54,239 --> 04:10:00,399
» Uh no, Mr. powers covered in great
detail.

1999
04:09:56,800 --> 04:10:07,120
» Okay, great. Um, anyone from council
have a comment or a motion?

2000
04:10:03,840 --> 04:10:13,120
» Yeah, I'll move uh 12A
that we accept the uh staff report.

2001
04:10:11,680 --> 04:10:19,120
» Mr. Newman, I see your hand up. You have
a comment?

2002
04:10:15,359 --> 04:10:24,800
» I do. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
I want to commend staff for a really

2003
04:10:22,319 --> 04:10:29,760
pretty good year last year um on a
number of fronts.

2004
04:10:26,640 --> 04:10:35,199
The housing actual sticks in the ground
increased by more than fourfold last

2005
04:10:31,840 --> 04:10:40,239
year, which is huge. And for the first
time in this arena cycle, there's low

2006
04:10:37,279 --> 04:10:43,439
there are low income units there. And
just as a reminder for the public,

2007
04:10:42,080 --> 04:10:48,319
because I hear this sometimes from
residents, when they hear the term

2008
04:10:46,000 --> 04:10:54,399
lowinccome, they think of destitution
and poverty. And in the context of

2009
04:10:51,680 --> 04:11:00,479
housing affordability in California,
that's not what low income is. We're

2010
04:10:56,880 --> 04:11:05,279
talking about a family of four making
nearly $120,000

2011
04:11:02,560 --> 04:11:10,640
in Ventura County. And in Thousand Oaks,
that figure is almost certainly higher.

2012
04:11:08,080 --> 04:11:16,239
So it's very good to see that for the
first time in this arena cycle we are

2013
04:11:13,359 --> 04:11:22,800
producing units in that category because
that is by far that workforce entry

2014
04:11:19,439 --> 04:11:30,880
level housing by far is our greatest
unmet need. And then below that it's

2015
04:11:26,640 --> 04:11:37,040
also good to see that we opened Thrive
Grove last year. It's also great to hear

2016
04:11:34,399 --> 04:11:42,000
that we've got even more good things
coming in the pipeline. Just three

2017
04:11:39,439 --> 04:11:48,720
projects alone next year, we've got I
think there's the pipeline is about

2018
04:11:44,640 --> 04:11:55,439
1,600 in total now. And my math is
right. It's nearly,00 units will be

2019
04:11:52,720 --> 04:12:00,640
under construction next year. 1100
additional units. So that's a really

2020
04:11:58,399 --> 04:12:06,239
significant bite taken out of the
projects in the pipeline. But to wrap

2021
04:12:03,439 --> 04:12:12,160
this up, I'll want to endorse something
Mr. Power said, which is that all of

2022
04:12:09,520 --> 04:12:19,439
this is really dependent on access to
capital. And lending costs in the macro

2023
04:12:16,560 --> 04:12:25,840
environment economically
are way above the pay grade of the city

2024
04:12:21,520 --> 04:12:31,920
council. But that that does have a very
large, arguably the largest impact on

2025
04:12:29,600 --> 04:12:37,520
whether housing gets built here. But
overall, great job by staff. Really

2026
04:12:34,640 --> 04:12:42,160
pleased to see a four-fold increase in
housing production, better than

2027
04:12:38,800 --> 04:12:47,600
four-fold last year, and an even more
significant increase to come this year.

2028
04:12:44,720 --> 04:12:51,600
Thank you.
>> Any comments?

2029
04:12:49,760 --> 04:12:55,319
» Right. We have a motion. Will the clerk
please call the vote?

2030
04:12:56,640 --> 04:13:00,479
» Council member Adam,
>> yes.

2031
04:12:58,560 --> 04:13:03,199
» Council member Newman,
>> I.

2032
04:13:01,199 --> 04:13:04,960
» Council member Gutierrez,
>> yes.

2033
04:13:03,600 --> 04:13:06,479
» Mayor Prom Angler,
>> yes.

2034
04:13:05,439 --> 04:13:10,000
» And Mayor Taylor,
>> yes.

2035
04:13:06,800 --> 04:13:14,880
» And that motion passes 5 to zero.
>> Next is city manager announcements. Mr.

2036
04:13:12,960 --> 04:13:19,840
Powers, do you have any for us?
>> Uh, thank you, Mayor Taylor. Uh we will

2037
04:13:17,279 --> 04:13:26,399
be back on the 24th of this month for
our next meeting. Um uh on that night um

2038
04:13:24,159 --> 04:13:36,239
uh we have currently a couple of public
hearings. One for a major capital um uh

2039
04:13:31,600 --> 04:13:39,760
project. Uh the second one is for a um a
really great item, our film permit

2040
04:13:37,920 --> 04:13:42,800
ordinance update. something that we've
been working on for the better part of

2041
04:13:41,359 --> 04:13:48,800
the last year to make some
modernizations to our film permit

2042
04:13:45,520 --> 04:13:55,279
ordinance. Uh and then we will also have
um an item on our 2026 active

2043
04:13:52,159 --> 04:13:59,279
transportation plan.
Thank you, Mr. Powers. I will now

2044
04:13:57,199 --> 04:14:04,520
adjourn the meeting to the next regular
meeting on March 24th, 2026.