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I was in a band like that once.

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Check. Good evening. I'd like to open the Tuesday August

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11th City Council meeting. In a few minutes we'll hear

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our National Anthropo formed by Isabella Jankowski, but first I'll

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turn it to Councillor Asino for our land acknowledgement. Please,

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Stan, if you're able. We acknowledge we have the privilege

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to live and work on the traditional lands of the

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Anishinabe peoples of Fort William First Nation Signatory to the

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Robinson Superior Treaty of 1850. This land has been a

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place of gathering, learning and sustenance for indigenous people since

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time in Memorial. We recognise the enduring presence and deep

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traditional knowledge of First Nations inuit and may tea peoples

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and the ways that they have shaped and continue to

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shape our community. We acknowledge the effects of colonization, including

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displacement, loss of culture and intergenerational trauma. And we commit

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ourselves to Reconciliation through respectful Relationships, Truth Telling, and shared

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action for a better future. Let us pause and reflect.

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Welcome, Isabel Jankowski to the front.

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Thank you, and please be seated. Deputy Kirk Walters, what's

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our next order of business? Speaker, before we proceed, I

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just want to again want to apologise for the technical

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issues that we've had this evening. We're going to do

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our best to have presentations showing on the screen this

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evening. But again, apologies to those watching at home, they

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may not be able to see the presentations as they

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normally would. They'd have to view them a bit more

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in the background. So once again, apologies on my behalf.

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The net sum on the agenda, are there any distorters

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of interest. I'm seeing none. Next, please. Are there any

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announcements. Again, we have none. Next question. We do actually

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have one from Apton City Manager. Acting City Manager, Martian,

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please, sorry. Thank you, Speaker. After nearly 16 years of

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dedicated Public Service, today is our City Solicitor, Patty Robinette's

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Final City Council Meeting. Solicitor Robinette joined the City in

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late summer 2010 as the Deputy City Solicitor and went

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on to become the City Solicitor in October 2017. Some

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of her greatest accompliments accomplishments are things none of us

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will ever fully know about because careers and municipal law

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are not measured by headlines, but by integrity, sound judgment,

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and steady leadership. As a trusted advisor to successive councils,

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mayors solicitor Robinette protected the City's interest while respecting Democratic

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decision - making, helped navigate legal risks before they became

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legal problems and provided candid advice even when it wasn't

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the easiest advice to hear. Her guidance has been woven

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through many of the city's most significant moments, including significant

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legislative changes, major development projects, and emergencies like the COVID

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- 19 pandemic. As a highly respected colleague she mentored

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staff, built strong relationships, both internally and externally, and has

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some of her and has been someone her peers could

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consistently rely on. Solicitor Robinette on behalf of Administration, thank

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you for your service. We will miss you greatly. Your

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influence will continue long after today. You've helped this organisation

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become stronger. You've made the people who work here better

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at what they do, and we wish you every success

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in your career and hope that you look back on

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your time with the City with as much pride. And

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as we have gratitude for your service. Thank you.

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Very good. Listen to Robin Eterstand. You have a few

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words to add? I do, and I'll try to keep

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it short. I know we have a long night ahead

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of us. Mayor members of Council. Tonight, I'm not only

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saying goodbye to the City, but to the practice of

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law together, after almost 22 years of practicing law, it

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is bittersweet in both respects. In the past 16 years,

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as a city of solicitor for the City of Thunder

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Bay, I have had the privilege to learn from and

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work alongside some of the smartest. Most dedicated individuals who

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work tirelessly for the Public Good in this organisation. Serving

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in the Public Sector is a profound honour, and I

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am deeply grateful for the opportunity to make a meaningful

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difference alongside you, City Council. The Executive Leadership team, the

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senior leadership team, and all of City Administration. My days

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of trying to solve all our biggest problems may be

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over, but I remain terribly proud of the work I've

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been able to accomplish here alongside you. And most importantly,

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the legacy I leave behind, my team at Legal Services,

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who I often refer to affectionately as the Wolfpack. Each

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embodies a strong commitment to ethics, the rule of law

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and speaking truth to power. Even in the face of

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misunderstanding, misinterpretation, perhaps even pressure. They hold strong to this

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commitment. In today's world, this role has become increasingly challenging

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for lawyers where people desire sometimes and overabundance of information,

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but not necessarily the corresponding truth, facts, or signs behind

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that information. I know that they will continue to uphold

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these values in their daily practice, continuing to work hard

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behind the scenes. For this organisation, the Public, and yes,

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the Public Purse, as well as that greater, more nebulous

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concept, we lawyers refer to as the administration of justice.

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I hope to take these lessons with me as I

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pursue the academy of law while teaching the upcoming Generation

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of Lawyers in this next chapter of my life, my

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career. And I thank you all. Thank you. Thank you,

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and we also have a few comments from Mayor Boschkoff.

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Mirror Boschkov, please. Thank you very much. The Council Not

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Very often comes to unanimous decisions. But on this, there's

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something that we all agree, that you were certainly one

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of the best advisors and solicitors that we've come to

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know over our time on Council. And for that, on

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behalf of all the citizens and the administrative team, we

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thank you so much and wish you all the best

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in your future endeavours. Congratulations, and truly, uh, we're very

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proud of what you've done for the City, and we're

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all glad to know you. Thank you so much. Thank

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you, Mayor Boschkoff. Deputy Kirk Walter is what's next on

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our agenda? Peter Johnson, the next name is The Confirmation

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of the Agenda. We need to move her in a

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seconder. Seeing Councillor Ayello. Councillor Cotuga. I'd be called the

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role. Mayor Bolschoff. Yes. In favor. Councillor Ello. In favor.

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Councillor Bence. In favor. Councillor Trini. In favor? Councillor Folds.

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In favor. Councillor Cortuga? Yes. Councillor Hamilton? In favor. Speaker

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Johnson. In favor. Councillor Oliver. In favor. Councillor Pastorino. In

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favor. Councillor Cecino. In favor. That is passed. And next,

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please. Deputy Speeder, the United Statem on the Agenda is

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the Public Median Procedures. This is a Public Meeting Tonight,

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structured in accordance with the planner not to RSO -

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1990 as amended, which requires a Public Mean to be

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held prior to Council Passage of certain Planning members matters,

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rather, such as official plans, zoning bylaws, or amendments to

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them. If they specified person or public body does not

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make oral submissions at a Public Median or written submissions

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to the City of Thunder Bay before the bylaw is

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passed, they are not entitled to appeal the decision to

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the City of Thunder Bay to the Ontario and Tribunal

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or OLT. They may not be added as a party

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to the hearing of an appeal before the OLT, unless

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the tribunal deems, are reasonable grounds. City Council functions under

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Procedure Biola 217 - 2025, which includes procedures for electronic

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meetings. This information is available from the Office of the

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City Torque, and has posted on the City's website in

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accordance with the Notice Bywlaw. With that, we will go

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to the official Plan Amendments. Item 5. 2 on your

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agenda this evening, the Zoning Bywall Amendment and Consent for

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Privates and Easements on Rendall Street. There's a number of

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items associated with this and the Entre Confidential Memorandum, from

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provides a recommendation relative to a site - specific official

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plan and zoning Bylaw Amendment. There are a number of

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deputations as well this evening, but we will start off

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the evening with Open in Commons from Director Deputer. Director

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Deputer, please. Thank you, Speaker. At tonight's Public Meeting Council

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will consider two planning applications related to City - owned

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properties identified for housing development through the call for Proposal

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Process. At meetings open to the Public Council declared these

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Land surplus and direct administration to enter into Purchase and

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Sale Agreements. In considering these applications tonight, Council is acting

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in its capacity as the Municipality Statutory Planning Authority and

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must base its decision on sound planning principles and applicable

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planning policies. The existence of agreements to purchase in sale

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should not influence Council's decision on planning matters. Speaker of

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the First Report recommends approval of a site - specific

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official Plan Amendment Zoning By Law Amendment and consent application

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to facilitate the development of two seven - story apartment

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buildings containing a total of approximately 360 homes at 791

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Arundel Street. Each building includes six stories of residential units,

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uh, and one level of structure indoor parking at grade

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with an additional underground level of parking. The applications have

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proceeded through an expanded public consultation process and are supported

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by servicing and transportation, environmental and other technical studies. Preliminary

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studies conclude that the development can be accommodated by existing

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municipal servicing and transportation infrastructure. Planning Services carefully review the

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Public Comments received together with supporting technical information. Detailed site

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design matters will continue to be addressed as the Site

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Plan Control Process and Development Agreement Processure Council Prove this

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Application. Planning Services is satisfied the proposal is consistent with

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provincial policy planning policy and maintains the tent of the

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City's official plan and zoning bylaw. The proposed development also

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aligns with the SMART growth action Plan by increasing housing

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housing supply and supporting sustainable growth on existing infrastructure. Subject

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to the conditions outlined in the report approval of the

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application is recommended, and I would now like to invite

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Supervisor Lopes to provide an overview of the application through

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presentation. Thank you, and we'll turn it to Supervisor Lopes.

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Speaker on base. Yeah, thank you. I just want to

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confirm on the technical side, given that this is an

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item of Public Interest that we're going to at least

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be able to have the cameras. We'll be able to

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see the presentation. I just want to kind of confirm

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that through you speaker. We're going to be doing our

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best to show what's on the screen, but I can't

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guarantee the level of equality that we would usually be

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broadcasting in, but we're doing our best to get the

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images there. And thank you for that. So Speaker, I

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would just, you know, I'm looking for the best possible

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quality of the presentation, given the Public interest. Best that

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we can do if we can work with our technical

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team to make sure that we have the best. Given

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that we have some issues. Thank you, Cancerton. Uh, Planner

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Lopes, please. Thank you. Thank you. Good

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evening, Mayor Speaker, members of Council and the Public. This

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presentation outlines a proposal plan and Zoning Biomelman Application and

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Consent for Private Easements for the Property Municipally known as

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791er Rendell Street. If approved, these amendments will allow for

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the development of two new residential apartment buildings. I will

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provide an overview of the proposal. Policy alignment, Community Consultation,

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and staff recommendation. Next slide, please. The subject lands are

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approximately 3. 2 hectares in area. And located east of

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the Arundel and Toledo Street Intersection with a frontage of

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approximately 155 metres on a Rundell Street. The Property is

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undeveloped and partially cleared with some mixed tree types remaining

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and contains a public trail system connected to the area's

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broader system. In terms of surrounding land uses, to the

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north or medium density residential building zoned urban med rise

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to the west is the boulevard Lake Complex. Further east.

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To correct to the east is the boulevard Lake Complex.

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Further east, our natural woodlands and Public Trails also zoned

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community zone. To the south, our provincially owned lands containing

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a former hospital and a trail network under a special

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policy area that is zoned future development. And to the

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west, the Arius characterized by low density residential development within

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the urban Lori Zone. Next slide, please. The subject lands

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our designated community and the official plan and are located

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within the urban sedimentary. The community designation contains land for

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parks, recreation, cultural facilities, open spaces, and other community serving

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uses while promoting accessibility public benefit and connection to surrounding

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neighbourhoods. The Community Designation also supports trail networks walking in

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cycling connections. Green Ways and Integrated Neighbourhood Design. The Proposed

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Development Alliance with the General Objectives of the Residential Policies

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by providing a broader range of housing options supports efficient

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use of existing infrastructure and community services and directs residential

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growth to an established residential area that serves to enhance

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the amenities such as the Public Recreation Trails potentially increasing

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usership. The change in designation to residential represents a natural

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expansion of the current residential designation directly at JACE into

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the North and to the West. Next slide, please. The

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applicant is proposing to rezone the lands from Community to

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UM Urban Mid - Rise Zone. The purpose of the

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Mid - Rhizone is to encourage urban - scale housing

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by permitting a variety of multiple unit residential forms, including

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apartment buildings. The applicants seeks to amend the definition of

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law to allow for each building to be located on

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its own parcel and another mammoth to allow the first

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building to be constructed at the rear portion first. This

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facilitate the cross - sharing of the two parcels for

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access and service same by private easements. Hence, the consent

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application is being sought. The proposal meets all other requirements

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of the UM Zone. Next slide, please. This rendering illustrates

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how the requested amendments and consent would allow for the

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construction of two new 7 - story apartment buildings with

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a total of approximately 360 residential units contained within six

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stories in each building. One above ground and one below

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ground parking levels are contemplated for each building to reduce

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the amount of surface parking and to allow for more

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landscaping and amenity areas on the site. Connections to the

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existing trail system will be a realigned for the continued

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public access to the trail system within and outside the

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property. The proposed development complies with the UM Zone requirements

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and no further changes are proposed. Next slide, please. The

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statutory Public Consultation Process included the circulation of the notice

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of application on July 3rd and an updated notice hand

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delivered on July 10th, which provided an updated preliminary site

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sketch. A Public Information Session by the applicant was held

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on July 20th, provided residents with opportunities to review and

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comment on the proposal. That information session had approximately 140

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attendees and a developer's consultants collected 48 written common forms

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during that engagement process and share them with City staff.

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The Public Media Notice also for the Public with additional

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opportunity for review and submission of comments. As of July

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24, Six Comets have been received from agencies and 44

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comments received from the Public. All comments receive were provided

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to the applicant and to members of Council on July

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31st. 2026 in a Common Summary. Additional comments received a

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date were also provided ahead of tonight's Public Meeting. Next

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slide, please. Comments generally focused on key themes. Transportation and

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parking. Neighbourhood compatibility, residential amenity impacts, environmental considerations. Loss at

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Green Space, infrastructure capacity and safety. And lack of need

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for the development. Public feedback helped inform the review of

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the application and ongoing discussions between city staff and the

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applicant. Aspects of the proposal were refined in response to

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concerns raised by residents, which included the reduction of service

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parking. Increased setbacks towards the east. Orientation of the buildings

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and an 11 metre strip routine by the City between

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the lands and the existing neighbourhood. Next slide, please. Initial

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studies included stage 1 and stage 2 archaeological assessments and

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a scoped environmental impact study, which included species at risk

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and black - ash assessments. To support the applications, the

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applicants submitted a traffic impact study and preliminary civil site

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servants the assessment along with updated plans and supporting documentation.

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Thesetudies were reviewed by relative city departments. Traffic was a

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key concern raised by residents, and the traffic impact study

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concluded that the proposed development can be accommodated within the

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existing and planned transportation network without significant operational or safety

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impacts. A final traffic impact study will be required through

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the Site Plan Control Process once additional development details are

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finalised. The site is also served by transit on Arundel

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and has access to nearby MENADEs and TRL connections. Staff

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evaluate the proposed on the course of the Criteria, including

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provincial policy, the official plan, and the proposed UM Zone

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Regulations. Particular consideration was given to transportation impacts, compatibility with

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surrounding land uses, housing objectives, and proximity to transit and

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active transportation infrastructure. Based on this review, staff concluded that

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proposal represents an efficient form of development that supports the

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cities intensification objectives while remaining compatible with the surrounding area.

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Next slide, please. Administration supports a proposed amendments and recommends

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approval for the falling reasons. The proposal is consistent with

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the provincial planning statement. Conforms to the growth plan for

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Northern Ontario, aligns with the official plan and meets a

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general intent of purpose of the Zoning Bylaw. The proposal

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represents a positive contribution to the City's growth and economic

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Development Objectives by expanding the residential LAN supply and providing

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enhanced residential opportunities for surrounding neighbourhoods and the broader community.

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This concludes a presentation. Thank you. Thank you. And at

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this time I'll invite the applicant to come forward. And

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Mr. Brazuto, can you introduce yourself again. And I'm quite

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sure you know how the mic works. You have 10

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minutes. Yeah, and we just have a couple of people

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online should be popping on. I'll start when you start.

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There we go. Good evening, Council. My name is Tyler

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Rizzuto and I'm the Project Manager with Stantech Consulting. Joining

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me online this evening is Sharon. She is a urban

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planner with Stantec. And Arash, who is the senior associate

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and Transportation Planning Lead with Static. We're here on behalf

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of the applicant Terlox General Contractors Development Limited to present

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the proposed development at 791 Arundle. The purpose of tonight's

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presentation is to provide an overview of the proposed development,

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discuss the planning framework that supports the application. Summarize a

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technical studies that have been completed and explain how the

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proposal has evolved in response to Community and Stakeholder feedback.

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Next slide. This proposal is for the Development of two

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apartment buildings under 20 metres in height. Uh, each building

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will contain 65 one - bedroom units, 100, two bedroom

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units, and 15 three bedroom units for a total of

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180 units, uh, per building. Uh, C. And this mixture

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of housing and unit sizes will provide additional housing choice

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for young professionals, young families, and older adults who may

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be looking for opportunities to downsize. 164 internal parking spaces

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will be provided for each building, which will be distributed

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across one level of enclosed at grade parking and one

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level of underground parking. 61 external parking spaces will also

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be provided. Most of the parking spaces will be internal

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to minimize surface parking, which allows for increased landscape area

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on the subject lands. Next slide, please. There's an existing

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multi - use trail on the subject lands, which is

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proposed to be realigned and extended up toward, uh, a

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rendel street, as shown in the figure to the right.

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Uh, this will improve trail connectivity for residents north of

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the subject lands and public access to this trail will

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be maintained. The proposal includes 50 percent landscaped open space

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with amenity spaces and a courtyard. The tree line between

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the proposed developments and the Toledo residences to the west

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will be maintained. Um, in addition to the extra 11

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metre buffer, that will be retained by the City as

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highlighted in yellow on this figure. Um, next slide please.

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The proposal provides a greater range and mix of housing

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options within an existing settlement area where growth is directed.

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And it brings new housing options closer to the existing

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recreation amenities east of the subject lands. For these reasons,

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the proposal is consistent with the PPS and the growth

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plan. Next slide, please. Residential and community uses are recognised

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as compatible related land uses in the city's official plan.

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So while an official plan amendment is being proposed to

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support the development, uh, the proposal still aligns with the

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broader official plan objectives by directing growth to be located

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within the urban settlement area. As well as by proposing

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new housing near existing community areas to form strong linkages

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and connections between two compatible land uses. Next slide, please.

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The smart growth action plan was approved by City Council

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in December, 2025. The proposal aligns with the principles for

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advancing smart growth through housing with compact built forms, um,

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infill development and land optimization. Next slide, please. The subject

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lands are proposed to be rezoned to the urban mid

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- rhizone, as shown in the table, No Sites specific

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amendments or provisions are required. Uh, for instance, the maximum

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height of the proposed permitted within the proposed zone would

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be 25 metres, uh, whereas the proposed development is less

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than 20 metres. The lot coverage is also well below

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the maximum sitting at approximately 20 percent would be permitted

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Based on the law area, 489 units would be permitted,

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um, whereas 360 units are being proposed. And under the

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proposed UM zone, a three metre side gear setback from

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the Toledo Properties would be required, uh, based on the

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proposed height of the buildings, uh, whereas a setback of

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more than 30 metres is provided in addition to the

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extra 11 metre buffer from the Toledo properties. The UM

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Zone only requires 20 percent of the property to be

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landscaped area, but the proposed development provides 50 percent, which

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is more than double the minimum requirement. Next slide, please.

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A traffic impact study was completed to assess the site

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access parking supply and potential effects of the proposal on

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surrounding traffic operations. The study considered existing conditions and future

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total conditions through 2034. It also reviewed weekday, um, morning

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and afternoon peak hour traffic. A safety audit was completed

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for the proposed site entrance and the multi - use

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trail crossing. The study determined that off - site road

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improvements are not required based on the scenarios assessed. It

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also found that the proposed entrance location provides adequate site

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distance for turning movements and that the entrance and trail

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can function safely together and that the proposed parking supply

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is sufficient. Next slide. Um, another, a number of supporting

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studies have been completed as part of this application. The

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Planning Justification Memo Urban Design Brief Shadow Study and a

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Functional Servicing Memo collectively, these studies can conclude that the

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proposal is consistent with provincial and municipal planning policy and

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represents the appropriate form of residential intensification, minimizing shadow impacts

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through building orientation and can be supported by existing water

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and sanitary infrastructure. As the Project Advances, more detailed technical

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review and design work would occur through the future approval

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stages, including Site Plan Control. Next slide. Next slide, thank

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you. Um, as part of the application, we also hosted

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a Public Information session at this event we had over

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140 participants signed in and received 48 comments. In summary,

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feedback focused on trails. Traffic, privacy shadowing and supporting technical

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studies. The proposal has been refined to address matters while

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maintaining key connections and reducing potential impacts. While shadowing cannot

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be completely eliminated in the urban environment, the building layout

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was revised to reduce its effects. The technical studies completed

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to date demonstrate that feasibility of development and available infrastructure

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capacity. Final studies will be sealed by professional engineers and

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reviewed by city engineering staff. Next slide. Since the City's

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call for proposals, the Development Concept Plan has evolved to

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incorporate the feedback that was received. Um, as the project

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avances into the next stage of planning and design, our

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objective was to continue incorporating that feedback while balancing the

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technical and operational requirements, uh, for this residential development. One

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change that is that the overall development footprint and developable

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area have been reduced based on feedback received and 11

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metre wide buffer along the western limit of the property

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will be retained by the City. Another important change relates

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to the overall density of the project. The original call

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for Proposal Concept had 400 residential units, while the current

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proposal has been reduced to 360 units. The most noticeable

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change is the increase in buildings in the number of

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building stories with the original concept proposing a five and

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six story building, while the current proposal consists of two

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seven story buildings. This change was primarily driven by the

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desire to accommodate more parking internally within the buildings. In

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doing so, surface parking has been significantly reduced, allowing for

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additional landscape open space, larger buffers, improved amenity areas, and

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a site design that responds to the feedback received from

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Council and the Public. It's important to note that while

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the number of stories has increased, the overall building height

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remains consistent with what was presented through the call for

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Proposals Process. The original concept anticipated a maximum height of

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20 metres. And this maximum height is still being maintained

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through this current design. Next slide, please. To conclude, the

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proposed development is consistent with provincial planning framework and supports

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the intent and objectives of the City of Thunder Bay

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official plan. It introduces much - needed housing in a

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location that can be supported by existing and planned infrastructure,

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while remaining compatible with the surrounding residential community uses. I

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want to acknowledge that something that many residents have expressed

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through this process. There's no way around it. The transition

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from largely undeveloped land to residential is a significant change.

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However, this project represents an important first step toward achieving

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the kind of balance middle density urban form that policy

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encourages. The rezoning is meant to translate good policy into

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real housing opportunities. One development proposal will not solve a

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housing shortage that has been decades in the making, but

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meaningful and lasting housing affordability requires a sustained increase in

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housing supply across all neighbourhoods. When we talk about intensification,

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housing choice, affordability, and more efficient use of existing infrastructure,

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this is what it looks like in practice. 30 seconds,

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please. For those reasons, we believe the proposed use scale,

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form of development, and are appropriate for the subject lines

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and represent good planning. Thank you. Well time. Thank you

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for your presentation. Uh, I have Mayor Boschkoff on my

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speaker's list. A reminder to the Council, we have one

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round, three questions, five minutes to either the applicant or

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administration. That's one round. Three questions, five minutes, uh, first

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up, Mayor Boschkoff, please. Thank you for the applicant. It

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seems that you're building with less in the maximum allowable.

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So it's a two - part question in terms of

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the amount of green space that that will actually make

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available for the lieutenants or owners. Sorry, can you repeat

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that? Well, basically the building, you're building less than what

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you're could as a maximum. So that's allowing you either

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both more parking or more green landscaping or open areas.

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Yeah, correct. We significantly increase the landscape space, um, from

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what's permitted in the zone. Um, and that was a

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change of putting cars and parking inside the building. Uh,

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we've freed up that land for landscaping soft space. Amenity

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space, um, like patios and other pieces of furniture for,

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uh, the residents. The connection of this property to other

473
00:35:31,421 --> 00:35:37,640
parks and walking trails, how many such areas are actually

474
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:45,671
available to who would be the new occupants. Um, we're

475
00:35:45,692 --> 00:35:49,271
putting the trail from a rundown to the existing trail

476
00:35:49,271 --> 00:35:54,992
network. That's what we've planned so far. So you're going

477
00:35:54,992 --> 00:35:58,272
to make that connection? We'll make that connection and I'll

478
00:35:58,272 --> 00:36:01,925
be maintained as public access for the residents. For everyone.

479
00:36:02,802 --> 00:36:07,167
Thank you. That's, that's good for me. Thank you, Mayor

480
00:36:07,167 --> 00:36:12,905
Boschkoff. Any other. Questions from Councillor Folds, please. Thank you,

481
00:36:12,926 --> 00:36:16,497
Deputy Speaker. Thanks for your presentation this evening. I am

482
00:36:16,518 --> 00:36:19,457
looking at a couple of your technical reports. Um, so

483
00:36:19,478 --> 00:36:24,257
I'm looking at, I think it's the one with water,

484
00:36:24,257 --> 00:36:29,126
wastewater. Sure. The functional site servicing the functional site service.

485
00:36:29,126 --> 00:36:32,166
So, I mean, I'm not an engineer, but reading through

486
00:36:32,267 --> 00:36:36,406
that. I do need some clarification. Um, in terms of

487
00:36:36,907 --> 00:36:40,966
water, it did stay in that report that no water

488
00:36:41,227 --> 00:36:45,766
flows were actually done. It was just modelled. And then

489
00:36:45,766 --> 00:36:50,006
it also talked about the wastewater. The only, excuse my

490
00:36:50,027 --> 00:36:54,166
simplicity. The only pipe big enough is the one out

491
00:36:54,206 --> 00:36:57,206
to Toledo. Um, and I do know that some of

492
00:36:57,206 --> 00:37:02,706
the residents along Toledo struggle with backups. So, you know,

493
00:37:02,706 --> 00:37:07,926
I guess given the modelling, can you help me through

494
00:37:07,966 --> 00:37:12,566
that? Because I need you to know I'm a scientist.

495
00:37:12,566 --> 00:37:14,886
I know what models are. Yeah. I know the value

496
00:37:15,067 --> 00:37:17,606
in models. And I know how they're used, but I

497
00:37:17,606 --> 00:37:21,366
also know their models, not necessarily reality on the ground.

498
00:37:21,707 --> 00:37:26,646
Yep. That's fair. Um, so yeah, we know actual hydrant

499
00:37:26,686 --> 00:37:30,486
flow tests were completed as this typically for the rezoning

500
00:37:30,526 --> 00:37:34,806
application. It's determining capacity of available capacity and feasibility of

501
00:37:34,907 --> 00:37:38,486
the site. Um, we know that there's water there. We

502
00:37:38,907 --> 00:37:41,833
can model it and see that a loop system. Would,

503
00:37:41,854 --> 00:37:45,513
would definitely be beneficial to the site to provide proper

504
00:37:45,534 --> 00:37:49,843
fireflows. And domestic cold water to all the buildings will

505
00:37:49,843 --> 00:37:55,123
not impact in surrounding neighbours. Um, you know, we, we

506
00:37:55,123 --> 00:37:57,523
always advance these studies and that's kind of more the

507
00:37:57,563 --> 00:38:01,790
detailed design piece. When we get into the full detailed

508
00:38:01,830 --> 00:38:05,310
design of the building, we figure out the type of

509
00:38:05,310 --> 00:38:07,831
building, whether it's combustible or not. And all those things

510
00:38:08,012 --> 00:38:09,671
kind of go in. You need all that information before

511
00:38:09,692 --> 00:38:12,871
you can really finalise it. That's why the studies start

512
00:38:12,911 --> 00:38:16,951
as preliminary and go into Site Plan Control and are

513
00:38:16,951 --> 00:38:20,151
sealed at that point. Um, but we are aware that

514
00:38:20,151 --> 00:38:22,391
there's water and the connection can be made through the

515
00:38:22,812 --> 00:38:26,332
to the lethal for both water and sanitary. So, I

516
00:38:26,332 --> 00:38:28,532
mean, how would you, I mean, maybe this is a

517
00:38:28,532 --> 00:38:30,452
difficult question at this point because you don't have those

518
00:38:30,633 --> 00:38:36,292
detailed designs yet. But what kind of guarantees can you

519
00:38:36,332 --> 00:38:42,292
provide as the engineer Stantech for neighbouring the neighbourhood that

520
00:38:42,292 --> 00:38:46,932
both their water and sewer services won't be impacted? Well,

521
00:38:46,932 --> 00:38:49,632
it would be, it'd be approved by the City. And

522
00:38:49,632 --> 00:38:52,452
if we can never demonstrate that properly, we would never

523
00:38:52,473 --> 00:38:54,692
get Site Plan Control Agreement and we would never get

524
00:38:54,732 --> 00:38:58,705
a building permit. It would, without demonstrating it, the project

525
00:38:58,806 --> 00:39:02,786
doesn't move on. So that's the assurances to the public

526
00:39:03,367 --> 00:39:05,506
that we have to demonstrate it and prove it's going

527
00:39:05,506 --> 00:39:08,946
to work before anything ever happens. Okay. So the City

528
00:39:08,967 --> 00:39:12,146
Administration has to sign off that it works. Absolutely. My

529
00:39:12,186 --> 00:39:14,866
next question is about a different report that you presented

530
00:39:15,207 --> 00:39:18,386
and it's the traffic report. And again, I'm not a

531
00:39:18,426 --> 00:39:22,466
traffic technologist, but as I read through that technical report,

532
00:39:22,567 --> 00:39:29,506
what it tells me is the volume that this particular,

533
00:39:29,506 --> 00:39:33,666
um, facility would add to that road. It can handle

534
00:39:33,666 --> 00:39:39,666
it. What I'm really interested is the future development. You're

535
00:39:39,666 --> 00:39:45,925
in your photograph here. You included 791. You included 755.

536
00:39:46,646 --> 00:39:49,905
And of course the future development of the LPH grounds.

537
00:39:50,879 --> 00:39:54,618
In your future predictions, you talk about a two percent

538
00:39:54,799 --> 00:40:00,436
growth. And that in essence, even at two percent growth,

539
00:40:00,436 --> 00:40:02,976
that road can handle it. But my question is, did

540
00:40:02,976 --> 00:40:06,436
you take into account the future development of what I

541
00:40:06,476 --> 00:40:09,876
can only interpret because you included 755 in the LPH

542
00:40:09,897 --> 00:40:13,828
grounds? Is that included in the two percent. Or would

543
00:40:13,828 --> 00:40:16,148
that be up and above the two percent? So the

544
00:40:16,249 --> 00:40:19,988
2034 numbers. I'll start and then we'll pass it to

545
00:40:20,169 --> 00:40:26,621
Rosh who's online. The traffic study was four 791. He

546
00:40:26,621 --> 00:40:29,581
goes into more of what is done in his model

547
00:40:29,602 --> 00:40:32,221
for surrounding properties in growth. So maybe I'll pass it

548
00:40:32,221 --> 00:40:37,697
to a rush and speak to that. Thank you, Toilet.

549
00:40:37,697 --> 00:40:40,491
Uh, can you hear me. Just to confirm? We can

550
00:40:40,491 --> 00:40:43,366
hear you loud and clear. Thank you. Well that's great.

551
00:40:43,387 --> 00:40:47,366
I appreciate the question. I will provide very quick general

552
00:40:47,467 --> 00:40:50,886
discussion about what we did as toiler said. The study

553
00:40:50,926 --> 00:40:54,406
is looking at this specific development. And it's looking at

554
00:40:55,547 --> 00:40:59,046
the full builds out here and a five year horizon.

555
00:40:59,046 --> 00:41:01,606
Uh, in the City of Thunder Bay through some other

556
00:41:01,867 --> 00:41:05,526
studies that we did, usually the growth rate and all

557
00:41:05,627 --> 00:41:08,886
grocery that we are considering is one person around one

558
00:41:08,926 --> 00:41:15,206
person to look at the potential increase in the area

559
00:41:15,467 --> 00:41:18,646
in the future. We are not taking a specific development,

560
00:41:18,646 --> 00:41:23,446
but two percent is being considered as a conservative that's

561
00:41:23,486 --> 00:41:26,806
looking at some of the impacts that coming from neo

562
00:41:26,806 --> 00:41:30,806
developments and population growths and all of that. But one

563
00:41:30,846 --> 00:41:33,766
thing I want to, um, I want you to pay

564
00:41:33,867 --> 00:41:38,246
attention is the study issues that, uh, level of service,

565
00:41:38,246 --> 00:41:40,886
which is showing how comfortable the traffic on the road

566
00:41:40,907 --> 00:41:44,726
is and on the axis is showing there are spare

567
00:41:44,726 --> 00:41:48,646
capacity available at the intersection and at the road. Most

568
00:41:48,646 --> 00:41:52,486
of the movement and locations that we looked at. Again,

569
00:41:52,907 --> 00:41:55,846
I'm briefly going through it. Level of service is going

570
00:41:55,886 --> 00:41:59,326
through A to F. A is the most comfortable. F

571
00:41:59,326 --> 00:42:05,526
is where drivers or pedestrine and traffic field, the movement

572
00:42:06,107 --> 00:42:09,846
speed is reduced. There are, uh, other impacts on the

573
00:42:09,886 --> 00:42:15,126
vehicle. Our study shows that we are on the good

574
00:42:15,126 --> 00:42:20,086
side and there are multiple opportunities and a spell capacity

575
00:42:20,126 --> 00:42:22,966
is available along the route. So I have to say

576
00:42:22,966 --> 00:42:29,286
that the result shows that, uh, no impact is expected

577
00:42:29,547 --> 00:42:32,886
along the road. Wanting I also want to add this

578
00:42:32,926 --> 00:42:37,292
for any other developments. There will be separate the studies.

579
00:42:37,292 --> 00:42:42,012
And the future developments that have data studies, these development

580
00:42:42,113 --> 00:42:46,012
will be their background traffic and the accumulated impacts of

581
00:42:46,353 --> 00:42:49,452
their trips and traffic will be assessed. So it's not

582
00:42:49,452 --> 00:42:56,252
like we added and then, uh, I mean, the combined

583
00:42:56,273 --> 00:42:58,732
impact of the trips will not be seen in the

584
00:42:58,732 --> 00:43:04,653
future. Thank you Councillor, you have used up your, uh,

585
00:43:04,694 --> 00:43:08,353
a lot of time. Um, next I have Councillor Attorney

586
00:43:08,614 --> 00:43:14,683
and then Councillor Hamilton. Councillor Attorney, please. Thank you through

587
00:43:14,683 --> 00:43:19,004
the speaker. Um. I'm hearing from the community, I think

588
00:43:19,004 --> 00:43:21,044
I should speak to you. I'm hearing from the community

589
00:43:21,145 --> 00:43:24,244
about a concern about the Canadian shield and the rock

590
00:43:24,284 --> 00:43:28,164
that may be under this, uh, building and that the

591
00:43:28,745 --> 00:43:32,164
potential concern for blasting that may be required in order

592
00:43:32,164 --> 00:43:35,444
to put parking. Um, do we have any indication of

593
00:43:35,444 --> 00:43:41,044
that at this time. Um, well, we're definitely aware of

594
00:43:41,225 --> 00:43:44,404
Rock in that area for sure. I mean, no specific

595
00:43:44,505 --> 00:43:47,770
tests have been completed as part of this development. You

596
00:43:47,770 --> 00:43:50,530
know, pending up if the product gets approved. Yes, we

597
00:43:50,530 --> 00:43:53,770
would go do a geotechnical investigation. And we would have

598
00:43:53,770 --> 00:43:57,850
a better understanding of plastic. If blasting is required or

599
00:43:57,890 --> 00:44:02,490
not, I would say that, you know, we don't know

600
00:44:02,490 --> 00:44:04,810
that answer, but if there was blasting, it would be

601
00:44:04,831 --> 00:44:10,879
a temporary. Requirement, but we're not committed to having to

602
00:44:10,879 --> 00:44:13,439
blast or do anything at this time. Thank you. Thank

603
00:44:13,439 --> 00:44:15,519
you for that. And then, um, I want to go

604
00:44:15,519 --> 00:44:18,399
back to the landscaping and the green space piece. There

605
00:44:18,420 --> 00:44:20,959
was a, um, part of the presentation indicated something about

606
00:44:21,460 --> 00:44:25,119
50 percent of the property will be maintained landscaping will

607
00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:26,879
be maintained. Could you collaborate a little bit more on

608
00:44:26,879 --> 00:44:30,719
that please? Yeah. Um, so kind of two parts, what

609
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,919
we heard from the public, um, and, and to the

610
00:44:33,959 --> 00:44:37,839
call for proposal was to maintain the existing, uh, tree

611
00:44:37,839 --> 00:44:42,919
buffer that's there already. Yeah. Um, we fully intend to

612
00:44:42,919 --> 00:44:45,199
maintain that buffer. And that's why we set everything off

613
00:44:45,220 --> 00:44:49,427
to the east. Outs of that, we would be the

614
00:44:49,528 --> 00:44:51,747
remainder of the site would be landscape to equal to

615
00:44:51,848 --> 00:44:55,827
50 percent. So it's a combination of both hardscape and

616
00:44:55,867 --> 00:44:58,507
softscape where there's amenity space. It's not just going to

617
00:44:58,568 --> 00:45:03,107
be just grass and nothing. It's, you know, there's some

618
00:45:03,288 --> 00:45:05,347
care is going to go into the design and provide

619
00:45:05,368 --> 00:45:09,842
a real amenities for the residents. Thank you. Um, my

620
00:45:09,863 --> 00:45:12,962
third question that space is actually smaller than the chart

621
00:45:12,962 --> 00:45:15,682
well property across the street. It's about two thirds the

622
00:45:15,682 --> 00:45:19,282
size. Um, I know there's a map floating around that's

623
00:45:19,282 --> 00:45:21,922
showing that it's much bigger and there was lots of

624
00:45:22,023 --> 00:45:25,022
talk about going all the way to lions boulevard. But

625
00:45:25,022 --> 00:45:29,602
there is somewhere an indication that of straightening lion's boulevard

626
00:45:29,703 --> 00:45:33,042
to potentially come up, uh, beside this. But that's not

627
00:45:33,063 --> 00:45:36,722
being taken to account at this time. That's future development.

628
00:45:36,722 --> 00:45:39,807
Is that correct? Um, yeah, I would say it's, it's

629
00:45:39,847 --> 00:45:43,087
future development, um, we were aware of the transportation master

630
00:45:43,127 --> 00:45:46,527
plan that shows a potential road there. Um, I think

631
00:45:46,548 --> 00:45:50,127
that's, you know, truthfully, that's why we showed a feature

632
00:45:50,228 --> 00:45:53,727
access is to ensure that the building, we left space

633
00:45:53,767 --> 00:45:56,107
for an axis if it were to come. We're not

634
00:45:56,107 --> 00:45:59,727
planning on. There's no intentions for that. But, um, it

635
00:45:59,767 --> 00:46:01,727
would make, it would be a poor planning decision to

636
00:46:01,988 --> 00:46:04,527
enclose that whole side of the western or eastern property

637
00:46:04,527 --> 00:46:06,927
line and not provide access to this if it were

638
00:46:06,967 --> 00:46:09,167
to come. Um, but no, not as part of this

639
00:46:09,508 --> 00:46:12,607
application. Is there anything to do with anything outside of

640
00:46:12,607 --> 00:46:15,932
the, this property. Thank you for that. And I appreciate

641
00:46:16,193 --> 00:46:18,972
the future plans for Lyon Boulevard. I went to that

642
00:46:18,993 --> 00:46:23,452
school. There were many accidents online boulevard because the twistiness.

643
00:46:23,452 --> 00:46:25,372
And then once that tree was gone, then it became

644
00:46:25,393 --> 00:46:27,772
even more of a safety issue. So thank you so

645
00:46:27,772 --> 00:46:34,042
much for your responses. Thank you, Councillor Hamilton, please. Yeah.

646
00:46:34,042 --> 00:46:37,082
Thank you, Speaker. And through you, uh, appreciate the presentation.

647
00:46:39,116 --> 00:46:40,855
I got to say, I appreciate the sensitivity to the

648
00:46:40,876 --> 00:46:45,255
concerns of the community. Um, at 360 units down from

649
00:46:45,916 --> 00:46:50,736
400, I think initially 600. Are we finally at a

650
00:46:50,736 --> 00:46:55,376
spot? Is this basically, um, the layout, um, like are

651
00:46:55,376 --> 00:46:58,256
we, are we there yet? I know technical drawings. There

652
00:46:58,256 --> 00:47:01,216
needs to be architectural work probably. But is this basically

653
00:47:01,256 --> 00:47:04,896
what the project looks like? Um, I would say generally,

654
00:47:04,896 --> 00:47:08,176
yes, it's, it's kind of at the point, uh, I

655
00:47:08,176 --> 00:47:12,176
think, you know, small refinements to the building, um, still

656
00:47:12,176 --> 00:47:15,736
maintaining the bylaw, but we're talking facade and kind of

657
00:47:15,736 --> 00:47:19,708
architectural details are still in the works. And, you know,

658
00:47:19,989 --> 00:47:24,065
hopefully they don't have impacts on reducing units. But we

659
00:47:24,065 --> 00:47:25,745
don't, we don't know that until we finish the building

660
00:47:25,766 --> 00:47:34,927
plans. Through you speaker, is there a

661
00:47:35,428 --> 00:47:38,127
expiry date on that? Is that for a certain 15

662
00:47:38,148 --> 00:47:40,767
years, like, I mean, I, I, I just want some

663
00:47:40,807 --> 00:47:44,207
assurance that, uh, some of those principles will be adhered

664
00:47:44,628 --> 00:47:47,327
to longer term. Yeah. I mean, I, I personally can't

665
00:47:47,367 --> 00:47:51,007
speak to that, uh, the financing agreement on, on that.

666
00:47:51,007 --> 00:47:53,247
But I'm, I'm, I'm told that it is a set

667
00:47:53,287 --> 00:47:55,887
time for it. It's I don't have the exact date.

668
00:47:55,887 --> 00:47:59,647
But there's an expiration on that. Maybe correct. And through

669
00:47:59,988 --> 00:48:01,967
speaking, I just my final question kind of picking up

670
00:48:01,967 --> 00:48:04,647
on Councillor Foles is, do you model when you do

671
00:48:04,647 --> 00:48:07,887
traffics that he's like, um, different demographics scenarios where if

672
00:48:07,887 --> 00:48:13,487
you had a, uh, you know, maybe working families or

673
00:48:13,527 --> 00:48:17,327
potentially older adults might have different traffic patterns. Do we,

674
00:48:17,327 --> 00:48:19,967
do we look at all the whole gamut of like

675
00:48:20,007 --> 00:48:21,967
when you look at the traffic modelling, do you look

676
00:48:21,967 --> 00:48:27,007
at a whole spectrum of use based on demographics? Yeah.

677
00:48:27,007 --> 00:48:28,687
I'd probably pass that to a rush. I think it'd

678
00:48:28,687 --> 00:48:33,662
be best suited for it. Sure. Uh, general answer is

679
00:48:33,683 --> 00:48:36,122
yes again. We are at this stage that we are

680
00:48:36,122 --> 00:48:40,122
looking at the high level impact of the development. But

681
00:48:40,122 --> 00:48:42,702
when we are going to the side plan and when

682
00:48:42,702 --> 00:48:46,542
we are going to look at the access, sidewalks, crosswalks

683
00:48:46,582 --> 00:48:51,022
and all of that, we are looking at the demographics.

684
00:48:51,022 --> 00:48:56,142
For example, if you have to expect, I mean, demographics

685
00:48:56,483 --> 00:48:59,182
that are leaning toward the older age, or if there

686
00:48:59,203 --> 00:49:02,702
is a school and we have, uh, school kids that

687
00:49:02,803 --> 00:49:06,022
are travelling on the sidewalks and crossing the roots, we

688
00:49:06,022 --> 00:49:09,822
are taking that in impact. But again, I'm saying vid

689
00:49:09,822 --> 00:49:12,302
the traffic study that we have at this stage because

690
00:49:12,403 --> 00:49:16,382
it's looking at the impact of the trips, vehicle or

691
00:49:16,403 --> 00:49:19,662
trips that are coming out of the side and their

692
00:49:19,702 --> 00:49:22,782
impact on the roads. I have to say that we

693
00:49:22,782 --> 00:49:28,462
just looked at the general, I mean, general trend of

694
00:49:29,203 --> 00:49:32,862
growth in traffic volumes. And I mean, anything that we're

695
00:49:32,902 --> 00:49:37,222
looking for the specific demographic around the side, we'll be

696
00:49:37,222 --> 00:49:39,342
on the side plan stage. And when we are looking

697
00:49:39,342 --> 00:49:44,086
at the cell, more vulnerable users of the site. Well,

698
00:49:44,126 --> 00:49:47,286
thank you, Speaker. And not a question just the reason

699
00:49:47,286 --> 00:49:48,646
why I'm asking that is I want to make sure

700
00:49:48,646 --> 00:49:52,166
we're looking at a high watermark scenario. Um, four vulnerable

701
00:49:52,206 --> 00:49:59,210
users. Thank you. Thank you Councillor Eggo, please. Thank you

702
00:49:59,311 --> 00:50:07,699
very much, Speaker. Um, I have a few questions. My

703
00:50:07,699 --> 00:50:10,179
concern, I wasn't aware that you had not done a

704
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,399
geotechnical study yet. And I just found that outright. Now

705
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:19,459
my concern is blasting because we, we know when the

706
00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:24,259
blasting happened up on Huron, that they'll friction lines hit

707
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,019
down quite, quite a distance and went into some basements

708
00:50:28,059 --> 00:50:32,659
on royal and dawn in that area. There were some,

709
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:38,036
some damage to the foundations there. If blasting has to

710
00:50:38,076 --> 00:50:41,876
happen here, it's not just for parking. I would assume

711
00:50:41,916 --> 00:50:47,236
that you would do blasting for your foundational, for your

712
00:50:47,236 --> 00:50:51,636
underground parking, for your servicing. So there will be substantial

713
00:50:52,937 --> 00:50:56,185
clearing that's going to be needed. To get all that

714
00:50:56,286 --> 00:51:02,075
done. How, um. With, with the amount of, um, Canadian

715
00:51:02,115 --> 00:51:05,035
shield, which is like the hardest rock in the world,

716
00:51:05,035 --> 00:51:10,875
friction is, is, um, is very, I believe very common.

717
00:51:11,503 --> 00:51:18,182
And very concerning. Yeah. I think that's a fair concern.

718
00:51:18,222 --> 00:51:22,811
I would, I would kind of just. Do you mean

719
00:51:22,992 --> 00:51:26,811
the tablast today, there's more to it than blasting in

720
00:51:26,811 --> 00:51:30,411
the past. I think, um, pre - development surveys would

721
00:51:30,512 --> 00:51:33,291
happen. There's a program. And I'm sure it's governed by

722
00:51:33,291 --> 00:51:36,251
the province and not just anyone with dynamite gets to

723
00:51:36,291 --> 00:51:38,571
go blast these days. So it's, I would say it's

724
00:51:38,611 --> 00:51:41,351
a regulated industry and professionals would be doing it. And

725
00:51:41,351 --> 00:51:43,611
they would be taking all the precautions needed to ensure

726
00:51:43,651 --> 00:51:46,771
that no damage or minimal damage is ever going to

727
00:51:46,771 --> 00:51:49,611
happen. We would trust a professionals to come up with

728
00:51:49,611 --> 00:51:54,091
the blast plan to get this done properly. Um, that's

729
00:51:54,131 --> 00:51:55,651
pretty much all I can say to it now. I

730
00:51:55,651 --> 00:51:58,331
think after the geotechnical investigation, we'd have a better understanding

731
00:51:58,992 --> 00:52:02,311
of what's going to be involved in that. And, um,

732
00:52:02,992 --> 00:52:06,971
you know, if, if it looks like it's too much,

733
00:52:06,971 --> 00:52:10,171
then we have a maximum height and we wouldn't go,

734
00:52:10,211 --> 00:52:12,331
we wouldn't go above it. And we'd probably have to

735
00:52:12,331 --> 00:52:16,076
go lower. Well, the two ways to do it as

736
00:52:16,076 --> 00:52:19,596
under my understanding through you speaker is one is to

737
00:52:19,636 --> 00:52:23,527
raise the ground. And put, put your foundation above the

738
00:52:23,628 --> 00:52:29,628
ground at or you chip it. Or you blast it.

739
00:52:29,628 --> 00:52:32,348
Now the blasting that I just spoke of was done

740
00:52:32,449 --> 00:52:37,228
last year, the year before. I don't know if standards,

741
00:52:37,228 --> 00:52:39,748
as I'm not an engineer or blasting expert, I don't

742
00:52:39,748 --> 00:52:42,108
know if the standards have changed in the last year

743
00:52:42,929 --> 00:52:46,288
of requirements because that was in close proximity. It was

744
00:52:46,288 --> 00:52:49,148
just up on the corner of Huron and Balsam that

745
00:52:49,148 --> 00:52:53,451
that blasting had occurred. Um, so that concern of that

746
00:52:53,632 --> 00:52:56,811
friction lines, because now we've got housing right to the

747
00:52:57,952 --> 00:53:03,557
West and other housing that's to the north. With the

748
00:53:03,898 --> 00:53:05,877
shield, we don't know exactly where the shield is going

749
00:53:06,458 --> 00:53:09,637
without the geotechnical. Is that correct? Correct. And not a

750
00:53:09,637 --> 00:53:13,569
blasting expert. So, um, I would imagine that the proper

751
00:53:13,590 --> 00:53:16,289
permits would be in place. And the professionals would be

752
00:53:16,289 --> 00:53:21,877
making that decision. On blasting requirements. Okay. If I may

753
00:53:21,917 --> 00:53:24,837
throw the speaker, I can, I can add to the

754
00:53:24,858 --> 00:53:29,877
response and note that, um, within once the geotechnical study

755
00:53:29,917 --> 00:53:33,717
is completed and should blasting, uh, be required or, you

756
00:53:33,717 --> 00:53:37,077
know, that would be elected to be a path forward.

757
00:53:37,077 --> 00:53:40,237
That is covered under the Site Plan Control Agreement. So

758
00:53:40,458 --> 00:53:43,957
the Athlens noted that your blasting is something that's highly

759
00:53:43,978 --> 00:53:49,317
regulated does require qualified persons, a pre - blast survey

760
00:53:49,738 --> 00:53:54,177
vibration, monitoring, and through the Sight Plan Control Agreement, the

761
00:53:54,177 --> 00:53:56,917
city's ensuring that all of the necessary professionals and plans

762
00:53:57,258 --> 00:54:01,477
are in place and is reviewing the program's capacity as

763
00:54:01,477 --> 00:54:05,557
the City. I am not aware of foundation damage that

764
00:54:05,818 --> 00:54:09,957
had occurred. As occurred. And the other example, uh, that's

765
00:54:09,957 --> 00:54:11,877
not an item that's been brought forward to an administration.

766
00:54:13,230 --> 00:54:16,009
Uh, thank you. And through you speaker, you have one

767
00:54:16,049 --> 00:54:20,649
minute remaining. Okay. Um, my next one, have you done

768
00:54:21,230 --> 00:54:25,849
the shadowing? Because shadowing is, um, one of the biggest

769
00:54:26,190 --> 00:54:31,551
concerns for the wellbeing of people. Right? For the shadowing

770
00:54:31,591 --> 00:54:35,424
studies. Now that the building's gone higher. The shadowing studies

771
00:54:35,424 --> 00:54:39,084
would be more impactful for the morning sun. Which is

772
00:54:39,084 --> 00:54:44,924
the most prevalent that we need to have safety for

773
00:54:44,964 --> 00:54:49,544
the peoples. Correct. Yeah. Uh, shadowing, study was done. Um,

774
00:54:50,625 --> 00:54:53,644
you know, the building didn't go, it was, it's still

775
00:54:53,644 --> 00:54:56,444
20 metres. Um, we didn't increase the building height. It's

776
00:54:56,444 --> 00:54:59,586
still 20. So that point aside, we did do the

777
00:54:59,687 --> 00:55:03,666
shadowing study. We look at the summer and winter solstice

778
00:55:04,247 --> 00:55:06,766
for the longest and shortest days of the year. Um,

779
00:55:07,927 --> 00:55:12,786
you know, shadows, we can't stop shadows. There's every building

780
00:55:12,887 --> 00:55:15,026
cast as a shadow. What we can do is mitigate

781
00:55:15,026 --> 00:55:18,546
it. Um, we did do an urban design brief to

782
00:55:18,586 --> 00:55:20,626
kind of find a way to mitigate it. And that's,

783
00:55:20,626 --> 00:55:23,106
that's one of the reasons what we saw a Sight

784
00:55:23,106 --> 00:55:25,266
Plan change from the buildings from the west to the

785
00:55:25,306 --> 00:55:29,266
east is that minimize the impact of shadows on the

786
00:55:29,367 --> 00:55:35,026
neighbouring properties. Um, the shadows do cast slightly into some

787
00:55:35,066 --> 00:55:39,986
of the existing properties. Um, that's during the worst case

788
00:55:40,167 --> 00:55:44,336
scenario, nine o'clock in the winter. 9 a. m. in

789
00:55:44,336 --> 00:55:47,356
the winter. And it's typically dark at that time. Not

790
00:55:47,356 --> 00:55:50,256
to minimize it, but we just don't have a way

791
00:55:50,256 --> 00:55:55,429
to remove shadows. Okay. I think my time is up.

792
00:55:55,469 --> 00:56:04,418
Thank you. Any other questions from Council. And as Council

793
00:56:04,418 --> 00:56:06,018
knows, we do have an opportunity later in the meeting

794
00:56:06,119 --> 00:56:09,618
to follow up, uh, if the need to do so,

795
00:56:09,618 --> 00:56:13,226
uh, to our presenters, thank you. And we'll turn now

796
00:56:13,247 --> 00:56:17,946
to the portion of the meeting where I'll ask for

797
00:56:17,967 --> 00:56:21,146
calls for speakers from the public gallery. I'll have three

798
00:56:21,247 --> 00:56:23,946
calls from the Public Gallery. And we have a list

799
00:56:23,967 --> 00:56:28,426
generated already. Uh, on behalf of Council Administration, I am

800
00:56:28,426 --> 00:56:31,866
asked, remind presenters that what is being debated tonight is

801
00:56:32,047 --> 00:56:36,266
the rezoning. The rezoning of the land, not the sale

802
00:56:36,306 --> 00:56:39,146
of the itself of the parkland. So when you do

803
00:56:39,247 --> 00:56:42,186
speak or provide comments or concerns, please speak to the

804
00:56:42,226 --> 00:56:46,166
planning issue. Uh, not the loss of green space. And

805
00:56:46,207 --> 00:56:48,826
I will also ask to on behalf of Council Administration

806
00:56:48,866 --> 00:56:54,346
that if you are providing commentary, you please provide new

807
00:56:54,367 --> 00:57:01,466
information, concerns, uh, your thoughts rather than possibly reiterating what

808
00:57:01,487 --> 00:57:04,506
has been already set. And I'll remind speakers as that

809
00:57:04,546 --> 00:57:07,306
as we go forward. So for my first call from

810
00:57:07,346 --> 00:57:13,509
the gallery, um, I understand we have Stephanie Patron. Apologies

811
00:57:13,530 --> 00:57:23,496
patrony. Please make your way to the speaker stable. The

812
00:57:23,597 --> 00:57:28,218
Mike there is on the base. Please introduce yourself and

813
00:57:28,239 --> 00:57:34,049
you have 10 minutes. Thank you. Good evening Mayor Bosch

814
00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:37,169
Goth and members of Council, thank you for the opportunity

815
00:57:37,169 --> 00:57:40,449
to speak tonight. My name is Stephanie Patroni. I'm a

816
00:57:40,449 --> 00:57:43,409
current river resident with a background in Community Economic and

817
00:57:43,449 --> 00:57:47,809
Social Development. Much of my work involves examining evidence and

818
00:57:47,849 --> 00:57:52,049
questioning how policy decisions affect communities. Over the past several

819
00:57:52,089 --> 00:57:56,449
months, I've closely examined the proposed rezoning of 791 a

820
00:57:56,449 --> 00:57:59,249
rundell. And what I've learned has left me deeply concerned

821
00:57:59,270 --> 00:58:02,689
about both the proposal and the process that brought us

822
00:58:02,689 --> 00:58:06,019
here. Tonight, I'd like to speak to those concerns before

823
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,299
you cast what may become one of the most significant

824
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:14,652
planning votes in the history of Thunder Bay. Provincial changes

825
00:58:14,692 --> 00:58:18,092
to the planning act mean residents no longer have recourse

826
00:58:18,132 --> 00:58:23,152
through the Ontario Land Tribunal Process. And Council's responsibility has

827
00:58:23,192 --> 00:58:27,392
never been greater. The decision you make tonight could permanently

828
00:58:27,413 --> 00:58:31,792
remove Community's own Parkland from Public Ownership and establish a

829
00:58:31,813 --> 00:58:36,223
planning precedent future council's well - inherit. If you vote

830
00:58:36,404 --> 00:58:39,663
to rezone a rundell tonight and wake up tomorrow morning

831
00:58:39,924 --> 00:58:43,983
regretting that vote, the province can't step in and undo

832
00:58:43,983 --> 00:58:48,055
it. You've sealed the fate of not only this Parkland.

833
00:58:48,775 --> 00:58:51,234
But made it much easier to develop the next Parkland

834
00:58:51,335 --> 00:58:55,811
or Greenspace that looks good to a developer. That responsibility

835
00:58:55,912 --> 00:59:00,051
demands more than simply accepting the recommendation before you. I've

836
00:59:00,091 --> 00:59:03,011
heard several members of Council acknowledge that they aren't knowledgeable

837
00:59:03,112 --> 00:59:06,691
on matters such as planning and therefore trust the experts.

838
00:59:08,049 --> 00:59:13,300
I find that very alarming. Given recent responses from councillors

839
00:59:13,481 --> 00:59:16,980
and what has publicly demonstrated what has been publicly demonstrated

840
00:59:17,001 --> 00:59:20,900
about Council's understanding of this file, I am reasonably concerned

841
00:59:20,940 --> 00:59:23,380
that council is about to vote on a matter it

842
00:59:23,380 --> 00:59:27,906
does not fully understand. Mayor and Council, this isn't a

843
00:59:27,946 --> 00:59:32,466
Conversation about Parks versus housing. This is about good planning

844
00:59:33,207 --> 00:59:36,466
due diligence, a degree of common sense and the evidence.

845
00:59:37,408 --> 00:59:41,307
After months of attending meetings, read and reports filing FOIs

846
00:59:41,888 --> 00:59:45,227
and examining the city's planning documents we have reached one

847
00:59:45,328 --> 00:59:50,010
conclusion. Thunder Bay does not need to build housing on

848
00:59:50,191 --> 00:59:56,789
community's own parkland and the City supports that finding. The

849
00:59:57,050 --> 01:00:00,309
City's housing in land needs strategy identify capacity for nearly

850
01:00:00,570 --> 01:00:03,589
20, 000 units while projecting a need for fewer than

851
01:00:03,610 --> 01:00:08,309
9, 000 by 2045 under the highest population growth scenario.

852
01:00:08,490 --> 01:00:13,269
Neither 791 nor 755 Arundel was required to achieve that

853
01:00:13,290 --> 01:00:17,829
capacity in that report. Those findings should have fundamentally changed

854
01:00:18,010 --> 01:00:23,029
this discussion. Communities own Parkland was not and is not

855
01:00:23,050 --> 01:00:27,485
needed to meet Thunder Bay's housing needs. Since then, the

856
01:00:27,586 --> 01:00:30,605
City has moved forward with the 100 - acre Central

857
01:00:30,605 --> 01:00:34,605
Avenue Development targeted for more than 1, 200 homes with

858
01:00:34,706 --> 01:00:38,125
the City owning more than 60 acres of that project.

859
01:00:38,146 --> 01:00:42,365
Other opportunity sites remain available and the provincially owned former

860
01:00:42,405 --> 01:00:48,758
LPH Land's represents another significant and eventually redevelopment opportunity. Thunder

861
01:00:48,859 --> 01:00:52,198
Bay is not running out of places to build housing.

862
01:00:52,198 --> 01:00:56,919
We should not even be here tonight. Planning staff will

863
01:00:56,940 --> 01:01:00,999
likely tell you Council has already declared this property surplus,

864
01:01:00,999 --> 01:01:03,799
declaring land surplus does not answer the planning question before

865
01:01:03,820 --> 01:01:07,559
you. Council must still decide whether this Parkland is the

866
01:01:07,559 --> 01:01:11,879
right place for housing and intensification and whether removing Communities

867
01:01:12,300 --> 01:01:16,279
Owned Parkland serves the broader interest. You'll also hear that

868
01:01:16,319 --> 01:01:21,159
this proposal is supported by the official plan. It isn't,

869
01:01:21,159 --> 01:01:23,399
which is why you're being asked to amend the official

870
01:01:23,660 --> 01:01:28,417
plan tonight. 791 Arundel is designated community and you're being

871
01:01:28,438 --> 01:01:32,497
asked to change that designation to residential to accommodate a

872
01:01:32,497 --> 01:01:37,255
developer that wants to build on green space. On public

873
01:01:37,596 --> 01:01:43,089
green space. Staff point to the official plans housing intensification

874
01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:47,249
and infrastructure policies to justify that change. But those aren't

875
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:52,049
the only policies in the official plan, environmental stewardship, healthy

876
01:01:52,070 --> 01:01:55,729
communities, public green space, and natural areas are in there

877
01:01:55,830 --> 01:01:59,249
too. Good planning doesn't mean pulling out the policies that

878
01:01:59,350 --> 01:02:03,232
support the development and ignoring the ones that don't. Council

879
01:02:03,232 --> 01:02:07,232
has to consider the plan as a whole. Another argument

880
01:02:07,413 --> 01:02:10,912
you'll likely hear is that traffic servicing drainage and infrastructure

881
01:02:10,933 --> 01:02:14,832
can be addressed later through site plan control. But Sight

882
01:02:14,853 --> 01:02:19,381
Plan Control follows rezoning. Questions have already been raised about

883
01:02:19,722 --> 01:02:24,661
water pressure, traffic, sidewalks, and surrounding infrastructure. If upgrades are

884
01:02:24,661 --> 01:02:28,181
necessary, Council should understand what they are and what they

885
01:02:28,202 --> 01:02:35,060
could cost taxpayers before the Zoning Changes, not after. Environmental

886
01:02:35,161 --> 01:02:37,620
Impacts have also been described as something that can be

887
01:02:37,721 --> 01:02:42,100
mitigated mitigation reduces impact, but it does not recreate mature

888
01:02:42,281 --> 01:02:47,220
parkland, restore decades of ecological growth or reconnect habitat once

889
01:02:47,241 --> 01:02:51,700
fragmented. Environmental losses are permanent and Council must decide whether

890
01:02:51,801 --> 01:02:56,321
those losses are justified. Some members of Council in City

891
01:02:56,361 --> 01:03:02,213
staff have called those who oppose developing Parkland Nimbees. A

892
01:03:02,314 --> 01:03:06,053
little unprofessional, but more importantly, it suggests these individuals do

893
01:03:06,053 --> 01:03:08,933
not want to debate the issue or even willing to

894
01:03:08,954 --> 01:03:15,141
know what they do not know. Public Parkland, Environmental Impacts,

895
01:03:15,402 --> 01:03:20,421
Infrastructure, Planning Policy, and Housing Alternatives are legitimate planning questions

896
01:03:20,602 --> 01:03:25,164
that have not sufficiently been answered. One issue has followed

897
01:03:25,265 --> 01:03:30,204
this proposal from the beginning and deserves far more attention,

898
01:03:30,204 --> 01:03:34,475
public trust. Confidence in this process has steadily eroded because

899
01:03:34,816 --> 01:03:37,675
too much of what residents needed to know came to

900
01:03:37,696 --> 01:03:41,435
light only after key decisions were already set in motion.

901
01:03:41,536 --> 01:03:45,115
Communities - owned Parkland was identified for possible surplus before

902
01:03:45,296 --> 01:03:51,671
most residents knew 791 Arundel was under consideration. Council accepted

903
01:03:51,711 --> 01:03:56,311
the survey results involving only 142 participants across the opportunity

904
01:03:56,351 --> 01:04:00,391
sites initiative with just 52 comments relating specifically to a

905
01:04:00,431 --> 01:04:05,111
rundown. Without seriously questioning whether those numbers represented meaningful engagement

906
01:04:05,212 --> 01:04:08,557
in a city of more than 100, 000 people. Of

907
01:04:08,658 --> 01:04:13,917
those 52, only eight supported increasing housing development on the

908
01:04:14,178 --> 01:04:18,114
Arundel Parkland. These flimsy findings were used in part by

909
01:04:18,114 --> 01:04:21,954
the City to justify the recommendation to Council to surplus

910
01:04:22,215 --> 01:04:28,334
791 a rundel. FOI requests revealed information residents had never

911
01:04:28,355 --> 01:04:32,254
been shown. Information many Council members haven't even seen or

912
01:04:32,435 --> 01:04:37,454
asked for. The Proposal changed four times. New reports continue

913
01:04:37,475 --> 01:04:40,414
to appear and instead of providing clarity, they raised even

914
01:04:40,454 --> 01:04:46,014
more questions. Public trust wasn't lost because people opposed housing.

915
01:04:46,035 --> 01:04:50,414
Public trust was lost because this process has been misleading

916
01:04:51,075 --> 01:04:55,682
and disorganized. Why, for example, is there a potential access

917
01:04:55,863 --> 01:04:59,202
road pointed through 755 a rundell, the Park land between

918
01:04:59,383 --> 01:05:04,041
791 and Boulevard Lake Trails. And what about the surprise

919
01:05:04,062 --> 01:05:07,001
announcement in May of a large development at the smaller

920
01:05:07,502 --> 01:05:13,648
multiple sclerosis park within Juno Park. Planning staff may tell

921
01:05:13,688 --> 01:05:18,368
you tonight that your decision concerns only 791 a rundell,

922
01:05:18,368 --> 01:05:22,128
respectfully there isn't anyone in this room who believes that.

923
01:05:23,245 --> 01:05:26,984
Council is deciding whether community's own Parkland can be resoned

924
01:05:26,984 --> 01:05:32,744
for private residential development. Future applications involving communities, zone, Parkland

925
01:05:33,245 --> 01:05:36,264
will inevitably be viewed through the lens of this decision.

926
01:05:36,835 --> 01:05:43,724
Tonight will be precedent setting. Finally, I'd ask Council to

927
01:05:43,764 --> 01:05:48,635
think beyond tonight's vote. This decision will outlive every report

928
01:05:48,736 --> 01:05:54,830
you've read. Every presentation you've heard. The ecology of Boulevard

929
01:05:54,870 --> 01:05:58,817
Lake Greenspace will be disrupted forever. The character of Current

930
01:05:58,817 --> 01:06:03,712
River will be permanently altered. And Public Trust once lost

931
01:06:04,213 --> 01:06:09,247
is remarkably difficult to rebuild. Is this the legacy that

932
01:06:09,748 --> 01:06:14,241
Council wants to leave behind. When the City's own housing

933
01:06:14,281 --> 01:06:18,561
land needs strategy, identified capacity for nearly 20, 000 homes

934
01:06:19,222 --> 01:06:23,681
against a projected need of fewer than 9, 000 up

935
01:06:23,702 --> 01:06:29,041
to 2045, when Central Avenue, when the Central Avenue Development

936
01:06:29,142 --> 01:06:33,681
Lands, other opportunity sites, and major redevelopment properties such as

937
01:06:33,681 --> 01:06:38,241
the former LPH lands provide still thousands more of opportunities

938
01:06:38,281 --> 01:06:43,441
for housing. Why are we even considering sacrificing communities -

939
01:06:43,441 --> 01:06:47,291
owned Parkland? You have one minute remaining. What housing need.

940
01:06:48,045 --> 01:06:51,784
Does the Arundel Parkland solve that Thunder Bay cannot otherwise

941
01:06:52,045 --> 01:06:57,605
meet. After months of reading and researching and asking questions,

942
01:06:57,605 --> 01:07:01,688
I have never heard a convincing answer. For that reason,

943
01:07:01,949 --> 01:07:05,528
I respectfully ask you to reject the proposed amendment to

944
01:07:05,528 --> 01:07:09,847
the official plan. To reject the proposed rezoning of 791

945
01:07:10,188 --> 01:07:14,807
rundell and to leave this community zone Parkland Protected. Thank

946
01:07:14,807 --> 01:07:20,567
you. Thank you, order please. Order, please. Ask you to

947
01:07:20,607 --> 01:07:23,127
keep your seat. There might be some questions from Council.

948
01:07:26,796 --> 01:07:31,575
Fulds, please. Thank you, Speaker. Just two questions. Uh, you

949
01:07:31,575 --> 01:07:34,855
had mentioned in the opening of your presentation about the

950
01:07:34,876 --> 01:07:39,255
ability to appeal tonight's decision and how that has changed.

951
01:07:39,638 --> 01:07:43,297
In the past two tonight. What is your understanding of

952
01:07:43,337 --> 01:07:47,457
Oatizen's ability to appeal to the Ontario Land Tribunal? It's

953
01:07:47,558 --> 01:07:53,137
almost impossible. It's the developer and municipalities that primarily have

954
01:07:53,958 --> 01:07:59,297
the ability to pursue recourse through OLT. Tonight, this is

955
01:07:59,318 --> 01:08:06,253
it. You guys are our last opportunity. So this means

956
01:08:06,754 --> 01:08:10,413
your decision is important. If you don't understand the proposal,

957
01:08:10,413 --> 01:08:12,733
if you don't have all the details, if you haven't

958
01:08:12,754 --> 01:08:18,013
looked into the nuances, if the outstanding, any questions that

959
01:08:18,434 --> 01:08:22,893
haven't been answered, you cannot rezone this land. If you

960
01:08:22,893 --> 01:08:25,933
don't know what questions to answer, that means you don't

961
01:08:25,954 --> 01:08:29,213
know enough about this proposal. And you should not be

962
01:08:29,234 --> 01:08:35,959
voting on this. Okay, thank you. And then you had

963
01:08:35,980 --> 01:08:43,599
made reference to the housing land needs strategy. And the

964
01:08:43,599 --> 01:08:47,719
20, 000. So it's your understanding that a rundown wasn't

965
01:08:48,060 --> 01:08:52,039
part of the 20, 000 for some clarity there. Yes.

966
01:08:52,039 --> 01:08:55,879
Neither 791 a rundell, nor 755, because we're pretty sure

967
01:08:55,900 --> 01:09:00,119
that's going to be next. Especially with the potential future

968
01:09:00,300 --> 01:09:03,559
road access. And the precedent that could be set tonight

969
01:09:03,900 --> 01:09:10,259
if you vote to rezone Community Parkland that, what was

970
01:09:10,259 --> 01:09:12,759
the question? Is it about the 20, 000 and was

971
01:09:12,799 --> 01:09:15,879
there a render was 200, 000? The 20, 000 units

972
01:09:15,919 --> 01:09:19,079
of housing identified in the housing land needs study was

973
01:09:19,119 --> 01:09:24,119
a number that was did not include 791 or 755.

974
01:09:25,456 --> 01:09:30,517
Thank you, Speaker. Thank you Councillor Foles. Councillor Agua, please.

975
01:09:31,584 --> 01:09:34,523
Sorry, Councillor Agua, before I turn to you, I just

976
01:09:34,523 --> 01:09:38,043
remind the gallery to withhold their applause, maybe to the

977
01:09:38,043 --> 01:09:40,903
end of the meeting. Um, or not at all. Um,

978
01:09:41,504 --> 01:09:45,883
we're trying to get a few questions answered. Um, administration,

979
01:09:45,883 --> 01:09:50,486
the applicant. So please withhold your applause. Thank you. Thank

980
01:09:50,486 --> 01:09:56,806
you very much, Speaker. And through you, um, can you're

981
01:09:56,806 --> 01:10:00,966
pretty proficient in urban planning and your studies that you've

982
01:10:01,006 --> 01:10:04,166
been done here. Can you please, um, enlighten us on

983
01:10:04,206 --> 01:10:08,886
what the community zone allows today. So today as it's

984
01:10:08,926 --> 01:10:11,846
known, what are we allowed to use in that area.

985
01:10:12,789 --> 01:10:21,408
You can use parks, uh, cemeteries, uh, any park cemeteries.

986
01:10:21,408 --> 01:10:24,208
You could probably put a nursery school in there. I

987
01:10:24,208 --> 01:10:27,008
mean, it's community zone. So it means it's for the

988
01:10:27,109 --> 01:10:35,389
public. So in a broad case, it would be public

989
01:10:35,429 --> 01:10:39,869
school, private school, or whatever it might be. But for

990
01:10:39,909 --> 01:10:44,669
use for massive people to use for recreation green space

991
01:10:44,770 --> 01:10:47,789
and what have you. That's what we're zoned today. Yes.

992
01:10:47,810 --> 01:10:52,349
Um, how many times have you seen in your, with

993
01:10:52,389 --> 01:10:55,789
your urban planning designations, how many times have you seen

994
01:10:56,530 --> 01:11:01,869
this community zone or anything of similar being converted for

995
01:11:02,050 --> 01:11:05,469
housing? Well, I'm not an urban planner. Oh, okay. I'm

996
01:11:05,469 --> 01:11:07,629
a health policy analyst. Oh, sorry. I thought you said

997
01:11:07,669 --> 01:11:11,789
you had a. My background is in Community Economic and

998
01:11:11,829 --> 01:11:15,389
Social Development. Okay. Yeah. Sorry. I thought there was urban.

999
01:11:15,389 --> 01:11:19,629
That's okay. Okay. Okay. So in your research, let's let

1000
01:11:19,629 --> 01:11:22,989
me rephrase speaker. In your research, have you, did you

1001
01:11:22,989 --> 01:11:25,069
research anything to see if there was any precedent set

1002
01:11:25,650 --> 01:11:31,549
anywhere with communities zones being converted into residential? I haven't

1003
01:11:31,730 --> 01:11:35,389
looked into specific case studies, but I'm sure they're out

1004
01:11:35,389 --> 01:11:41,203
there. Okay. Thank you. That's all I have. Thank you.

1005
01:11:42,584 --> 01:11:48,176
Thank you. Any other questions from council. Very good. I'm

1006
01:11:48,176 --> 01:11:50,416
seeing none. Thank you for your deputation. You can retire

1007
01:11:50,437 --> 01:11:55,203
to the gallery place. Thank you. Next on the list,

1008
01:11:55,203 --> 01:12:03,079
I have Robert Moore. Calling for a Robert Moore.

1009
01:12:07,815 --> 01:12:13,165
Last time for Robert Moore. Next up then is Michelle

1010
01:12:13,346 --> 01:12:21,372
Laporte. Michelle Laporte. Again, to our deputants, I ask that

1011
01:12:21,412 --> 01:12:24,332
you please try not to repeat information that was already

1012
01:12:24,353 --> 01:12:29,106
presented. Uh, and possibly if you can provide new information.

1013
01:12:29,106 --> 01:12:32,626
So could you please press the mic on the base,

1014
01:12:32,626 --> 01:12:36,066
introduce yourself? I believe it's the one. Okay. And you

1015
01:12:36,066 --> 01:12:41,186
have 10 minutes. Okay. Uh, Mayor Boschkoff and members of

1016
01:12:41,287 --> 01:12:44,786
Council, my name is Michelle Laporte and I am a

1017
01:12:44,826 --> 01:12:49,833
resident of Toledo Street. I'm here today as a concerned

1018
01:12:49,833 --> 01:12:55,029
citizen. Neighbour and resident of Thunder Bay. I chose to

1019
01:12:55,069 --> 01:12:59,315
live in this area because of its natural beauty. It's

1020
01:12:59,736 --> 01:13:03,475
quite character and it's close connection to nature. Like many

1021
01:13:03,656 --> 01:13:08,115
residents in this neighbourhood, I valued the green spaces, trails,

1022
01:13:08,115 --> 01:13:11,555
and natural areas that make this part of Thunder Basel

1023
01:13:11,595 --> 01:13:16,846
Special. The Property at 791 Arundel Street is not just

1024
01:13:17,027 --> 01:13:23,075
an unused land. It is a valuable community asset. It's

1025
01:13:23,176 --> 01:13:28,035
trail network is used by seniors from nearby residences, dog

1026
01:13:28,075 --> 01:13:33,395
walkers, cyclists, mountain bikers, hikers, joggers, families, and many other

1027
01:13:33,416 --> 01:13:37,207
who simply just want to enjoy the outdoors. As part

1028
01:13:37,207 --> 01:13:41,207
of the broader boulevard Lake Trail Experience, this green space

1029
01:13:41,468 --> 01:13:44,807
contributes greatly to the Quality of Life of Residence across

1030
01:13:44,988 --> 01:13:52,116
Thunder Bay. These trails are not new. They were established

1031
01:13:52,137 --> 01:13:58,356
many years ago by local boy scouts who have, okay,

1032
01:13:58,377 --> 01:14:01,876
local book and have been enjoyed by generations of residents.

1033
01:14:02,727 --> 01:14:06,386
The fact that these trails still exist today is evidence

1034
01:14:06,386 --> 01:14:10,306
that they continue to be actively used and valued by

1035
01:14:10,306 --> 01:14:14,400
the community. If they were not being used, nature would

1036
01:14:14,440 --> 01:14:19,548
have reclaimed them long ago. And they would have overgrown

1037
01:14:19,969 --> 01:14:24,668
and been difficult to access. Instead, they remain well -

1038
01:14:24,668 --> 01:14:28,668
travelled pathways that connect people to the outdoors and to

1039
01:14:28,769 --> 01:14:33,769
one another. I understand that housing is an important issue,

1040
01:14:33,769 --> 01:14:38,249
however. I strongly question the decision to consider building two

1041
01:14:38,289 --> 01:14:42,969
large residential buildings on an existing public green space and

1042
01:14:42,990 --> 01:14:48,169
Parkland, especially in an area where infrastructure is already a

1043
01:14:48,190 --> 01:14:54,009
concern. If the infrastructure issues exist today, why would council

1044
01:14:54,910 --> 01:14:59,449
consider adding more strain to the neighbourhood through increased density

1045
01:14:59,630 --> 01:15:05,703
and development. Thunder Bay has other opportunities to address housing

1046
01:15:05,724 --> 01:15:11,863
needs without sacrificing established green spaces that residents already use

1047
01:15:11,884 --> 01:15:16,743
in cherish. Development should be directed to areas where infrastructure

1048
01:15:17,324 --> 01:15:22,983
services transportation and amenities are already planned or better suited

1049
01:15:23,023 --> 01:15:28,324
to support growth. Council is already moving forward with development

1050
01:15:28,505 --> 01:15:33,444
in the central core and central avenue corridor, where significant

1051
01:15:33,484 --> 01:15:38,484
government funding has been provided to support infrastructure, housing, growth,

1052
01:15:38,484 --> 01:15:43,405
and broader development. The City has received funding for road

1053
01:15:43,586 --> 01:15:49,085
trail water, wastewater, stormwater improvements in that area. With the

1054
01:15:49,125 --> 01:15:52,925
goal of opening up new development opportunities and creating better

1055
01:15:53,266 --> 01:15:59,541
access to amenities, services, and connected neighbourhoods. To me, it

1056
01:15:59,581 --> 01:16:03,781
makes far more sense to focus on development where infrastructure

1057
01:16:04,122 --> 01:16:07,941
investment is already planned and funded rather than to place

1058
01:16:08,202 --> 01:16:13,701
additional density in an established neighbourhood where existing infrastructure may

1059
01:16:13,722 --> 01:16:17,529
need to be ripped up. Replaced or rebuilt at a

1060
01:16:17,529 --> 01:16:23,129
greater cost. If Public Money is already being directed, prepared

1061
01:16:23,230 --> 01:16:26,489
land for growth and development, then why are we also

1062
01:16:26,510 --> 01:16:30,089
being asked to give up, Public Green Space and Parkland.

1063
01:16:31,962 --> 01:16:36,658
At 791 a runde. While Thunder Bay is very different

1064
01:16:36,759 --> 01:16:41,618
from New York City, Boulevard Lake Park serves as a

1065
01:16:41,658 --> 01:16:47,058
similar purpose to the community in many ways. Thunder Bay.

1066
01:16:49,016 --> 01:16:52,989
Is what Central Park is to New York. A cherished

1067
01:16:53,250 --> 01:16:57,869
Public Green Space where people gather exercise connect with nature

1068
01:16:58,370 --> 01:17:01,869
and enjoy the outdoors. It reflects the spirit of our

1069
01:17:02,050 --> 01:17:07,688
city's motto, Superior by nature. That model should mean something.

1070
01:17:09,422 --> 01:17:14,841
Beyond Recreation, this green space provides environmental benefits that are

1071
01:17:15,022 --> 01:17:20,404
often overlooked. Mature trees help improve the air quality. Reduce

1072
01:17:20,585 --> 01:17:26,474
urban heat. Absorb stormwater and provide habitat for birds and

1073
01:17:26,495 --> 01:17:36,182
wildlife as cities. As Ciddies across

1074
01:17:36,283 --> 01:17:40,662
Canada were to increase urban tree cover and protect natural

1075
01:17:40,843 --> 01:17:45,622
areas. It seems contradictory to remove an existing green space

1076
01:17:45,963 --> 01:17:51,360
that already provides these benefits to our community. The meadows

1077
01:17:51,701 --> 01:17:56,000
at 791, a rundell Street are also important part of

1078
01:17:56,040 --> 01:18:00,640
our local ecosystem. They provide habitat and feeding grounds for

1079
01:18:00,901 --> 01:18:03,680
deer and other wildlife that are frequently seen in the

1080
01:18:03,701 --> 01:18:08,560
area. These open natural spaces together with mature trees and

1081
01:18:08,741 --> 01:18:13,920
vegetation support of biodiversity and contribute to the ecological health

1082
01:18:14,021 --> 01:18:17,680
of the neighbourhood. The meadows are not a vacant land

1083
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:21,600
waiting for development. They are part of a functioning ecosystem

1084
01:18:21,861 --> 01:18:26,800
that supports wildlife, pollinators, and natural processes that benefit our

1085
01:18:26,821 --> 01:18:31,280
community. Once this habitat is lost, it cannot simply be

1086
01:18:31,381 --> 01:18:36,240
recreated anywhere else. Protecting the space is not only about

1087
01:18:36,421 --> 01:18:41,520
preserving trails and recreation opportunities. It's also about safeguarding the

1088
01:18:41,701 --> 01:18:46,160
natural habitat and ecological functions that have existed here for

1089
01:18:46,421 --> 01:18:51,680
generations. I am also concerned about the president that this

1090
01:18:51,941 --> 01:18:54,880
decision will set. If a well - used green space

1091
01:18:55,461 --> 01:19:00,960
connected to Boulevard Lake can be declared surplus today, what

1092
01:19:01,221 --> 01:19:05,520
assurance do residents have that other parks and natural acres

1093
01:19:07,621 --> 01:19:12,383
would not face similar pressures tomorrow. Public Parkland should be

1094
01:19:12,423 --> 01:19:16,463
viewed as long - term community investment. Not simply a

1095
01:19:16,564 --> 01:19:22,783
vacant land waiting for development. The Conversation should not be

1096
01:19:22,823 --> 01:19:27,023
about choosing between house and green space. Thunder bait can

1097
01:19:27,063 --> 01:19:32,303
support responsible housing growth while also protecting the natural assets

1098
01:19:32,324 --> 01:19:36,143
that contribute to our quality of life. These goals are

1099
01:19:36,183 --> 01:19:41,618
not mutually exclusive. Good planning means finding solutions that achieve

1100
01:19:42,119 --> 01:19:49,360
both. Since July 24th, we invested our efforts. No, we

1101
01:19:49,381 --> 01:19:52,960
intensified our efforts to collect signatures because we knew this

1102
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:56,933
was bigger than current river. This issue affects all of

1103
01:19:57,194 --> 01:20:03,943
Thunder Bay. The response was overwhelming. In just two and

1104
01:20:03,983 --> 01:20:13,223
a half weeks, we gathered 1, 666 additional signatures, bringing

1105
01:20:13,263 --> 01:20:20,343
our petition total to 2, 624. What is particularly significant

1106
01:20:20,444 --> 01:20:24,103
is that the vast majority of those signatures were collected

1107
01:20:24,204 --> 01:20:30,648
during a short period. Two and a half weeks. Those

1108
01:20:30,829 --> 01:20:35,208
numbers speak for themselves. They show that people across the

1109
01:20:35,208 --> 01:20:39,528
city care deeply about this issue and want their voices

1110
01:20:39,568 --> 01:20:44,420
hurt. The speed and scale of support demonstrate that this

1111
01:20:44,521 --> 01:20:49,140
issue resonates far beyond the immediate neighbourhood. We firmly believe

1112
01:20:49,241 --> 01:20:53,460
that given more time and greater public awareness of this

1113
01:20:53,561 --> 01:21:00,762
proposal, thousand more residents, thousands. Would have signed their names.

1114
01:21:02,488 --> 01:21:06,227
I would also ask Council to carefully consider the Public

1115
01:21:06,568 --> 01:21:10,867
Consultation process that was used to support declaring this property

1116
01:21:11,048 --> 01:21:16,867
surplus. The City's survey considered four separate properties and received

1117
01:21:16,968 --> 01:21:23,902
only 142. Responses from across the Sith Thunderbig. Of those

1118
01:21:24,003 --> 01:21:29,262
responses approximately 84 people supported the broad question about infil

1119
01:21:29,363 --> 01:21:34,862
housing. However, that question did not specifically ask residents whether

1120
01:21:34,883 --> 01:21:40,382
they supported the development on public parks, Green Space Trail

1121
01:21:40,422 --> 01:21:44,518
Networks or Natural Areas. A response of that size to

1122
01:21:44,779 --> 01:21:50,038
question frame so broadly cannot reasonably be viewed as a

1123
01:21:50,038 --> 01:21:54,918
strong evidence of public support on developing. You have one

1124
01:21:54,918 --> 01:22:02,724
minute remaining. Okay. I only got one minute. Okay. So

1125
01:22:02,724 --> 01:22:07,721
I will. Okay. The residents gathered outside today. At the

1126
01:22:07,822 --> 01:22:13,881
rally. Our further evidence that concern. The represent the people

1127
01:22:13,982 --> 01:22:16,761
who are tired of feeling that their collective voices are

1128
01:22:16,761 --> 01:22:19,801
not being heard. They are not here because they oppose

1129
01:22:20,142 --> 01:22:23,481
a responsible development. They are here because they believe parks

1130
01:22:23,982 --> 01:22:27,561
and green spaces should be protected. And that residents deserve

1131
01:22:28,222 --> 01:22:33,721
meaningful consultation before decisions affecting community assets are made. During

1132
01:22:33,742 --> 01:22:37,721
the petition campaign, I personally spoke with hundreds of residents

1133
01:22:37,822 --> 01:22:42,601
across Thunder Bay. The overwhelming majority of feedback was positive

1134
01:22:43,742 --> 01:22:46,681
again and again. I heard people say leave our parks

1135
01:22:47,342 --> 01:22:54,286
for our children. On our, please. Okay. Well, anyways, I

1136
01:22:54,326 --> 01:22:57,942
still have more to say on this. But I can

1137
01:22:57,942 --> 01:23:02,502
honestly say that 791 Arundel Street should not be rezoned.

1138
01:23:03,597 --> 01:23:05,976
When I was out there, there was a lot of

1139
01:23:06,016 --> 01:23:10,936
people that, um, told me that it was something we

1140
01:23:10,976 --> 01:23:14,376
needed to protect. And I think you for listening. Thank

1141
01:23:14,376 --> 01:23:16,696
you. And I'll ask that you hold your seat. We'll

1142
01:23:16,736 --> 01:23:26,543
maybe have some questions from Council. Couga. Thank you,

1143
01:23:26,884 --> 01:23:29,183
Mr. Speaker. Thank you for all the work. I know

1144
01:23:29,284 --> 01:23:33,323
that the work putting in, uh, with the petition, um,

1145
01:23:34,404 --> 01:23:36,863
but I talked to quite a few people who have

1146
01:23:36,903 --> 01:23:40,223
told me that when they were explained about this petition,

1147
01:23:40,223 --> 01:23:46,835
that it was involved Lake and LPH properties. Just. And

1148
01:23:46,835 --> 01:23:50,128
can you just comment on that. Um, I don't think

1149
01:23:50,229 --> 01:23:54,608
I commented when people ask me about the LPH properties.

1150
01:23:54,608 --> 01:23:57,772
I said that was provincial. I was very honest with

1151
01:23:57,793 --> 01:24:03,132
my. Okay. And Boulevard Lake, I mean, Boulevard Lake, that

1152
01:24:03,132 --> 01:24:07,132
is part of the network. Okay. All right. Thank you.

1153
01:24:07,657 --> 01:24:11,497
I mean Boy Scott put in those drills. Thank you.

1154
01:24:11,497 --> 01:24:17,767
Any other questions from Council. Deputy Kirk Walters. Speer, I

1155
01:24:17,767 --> 01:24:19,887
just wanted to add, uh, we did receive the petition

1156
01:24:19,927 --> 01:24:22,047
that was being mentioned. I sent a memorandum on this

1157
01:24:22,087 --> 01:24:24,607
matter on August the 7th. Uh, we did receive the

1158
01:24:24,647 --> 01:24:28,047
petition. It contains approximately 2, 600 signatures relative to this

1159
01:24:28,068 --> 01:24:30,207
report. Uh, I just also want to mention that we

1160
01:24:30,548 --> 01:24:34,207
did receive two written deputations on this matter that are

1161
01:24:34,207 --> 01:24:37,327
included in your agenda package, uh, for your information. There's

1162
01:24:37,508 --> 01:24:41,967
also memorandums from senior planner Lopes relative correspondence received on

1163
01:24:42,007 --> 01:24:45,247
this report. Uh, it's information that was distributed separately to

1164
01:24:45,287 --> 01:24:48,127
Council only on Friday August, the 7th as well as

1165
01:24:48,228 --> 01:24:51,487
additional, uh, information that was sent, uh, yesterday as well.

1166
01:24:53,254 --> 01:24:56,273
Thank you. I'll ask, thank you for your deputational. Lassie

1167
01:24:56,294 --> 01:25:00,022
retired to the gallery. Next up on the list we

1168
01:25:00,022 --> 01:25:07,698
have is Lori Holden. Lori Holden.

1169
01:25:27,905 --> 01:25:33,963
One last time for Lori Holden. Very good. I moved

1170
01:25:33,963 --> 01:25:37,483
down the list. Apologies if I mispronounce this. Ivan Bach.

1171
01:25:55,102 --> 01:25:57,840
Okay. Yeah. I might need them. Thank you. I just

1172
01:25:57,861 --> 01:26:04,189
stick them on my head, eh? You do. Okay. I

1173
01:26:04,189 --> 01:26:09,788
think I can hear. Yeah. Is there a volume test

1174
01:26:09,889 --> 01:26:16,159
or something. Yeah. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Buck. Um, hopefully

1175
01:26:16,340 --> 01:26:19,759
you heard my instructions of earlier about not repeating information

1176
01:26:20,260 --> 01:26:24,417
that's already been presented. Um, would you please introduce yourself

1177
01:26:24,758 --> 01:26:27,531
and you have 10 minutes when you start. Yes. Very

1178
01:26:27,531 --> 01:26:35,013
good. Please do start. Okay. Ready. As you can see,

1179
01:26:35,013 --> 01:26:37,093
I'm hearing impaired. So it's a bit of an issue

1180
01:26:37,133 --> 01:26:43,311
here. Thank you. My name is Ivan Buck. I'm a

1181
01:26:43,311 --> 01:26:48,111
retired secondary school teacher principal and I retired in 1999.

1182
01:26:50,224 --> 01:26:52,603
After I retired, my wife and I started to look

1183
01:26:53,504 --> 01:26:55,643
for a home that we would call our dream home.

1184
01:26:56,795 --> 01:27:01,097
And we found it at 408 Polito Street. We purchased

1185
01:27:01,137 --> 01:27:06,706
our home in 2007. Our house is only one house

1186
01:27:06,727 --> 01:27:11,906
away from the pathway going down into the 491 Arundel

1187
01:27:11,946 --> 01:27:17,190
area. Over the years, I've seen incredible variety of people

1188
01:27:18,571 --> 01:27:23,030
from all over the city. Utilising and enjoying this environment

1189
01:27:23,070 --> 01:27:27,994
that's waiting for them. It's hard for me to believe

1190
01:27:28,255 --> 01:27:32,074
that after going around the sun 84 times, I am

1191
01:27:32,095 --> 01:27:37,674
here asking my city council to not declare 791 a

1192
01:27:37,674 --> 01:27:42,236
rundo as surplus. As that would create an apartment complex

1193
01:27:42,657 --> 01:27:45,996
eventually that would destroy the green space that we enjoy

1194
01:27:46,097 --> 01:27:51,021
so much in our backyard. This decision will decrease significantly

1195
01:27:51,442 --> 01:27:55,261
the value of our home, which is our only investment.

1196
01:27:57,140 --> 01:27:59,519
There's no question that if any of you were facing

1197
01:27:59,780 --> 01:28:05,519
this dramatic scenario, you too would be sitting here sitting

1198
01:28:05,559 --> 01:28:10,239
here sincerely asking the powers that be to not destroy

1199
01:28:10,900 --> 01:28:18,309
your investment. Mayor Baschkov and councillors of Thunder Bay, please

1200
01:28:18,490 --> 01:28:22,769
lead the 791 Ronald Parkland as community. So that we

1201
01:28:23,110 --> 01:28:26,769
citizens can continue to enjoy all the amenities it has

1202
01:28:26,769 --> 01:28:31,647
to offer. A colleague of mine stated that 791 Parkland

1203
01:28:32,148 --> 01:28:36,047
is to the citizens of Thunder Bay, what central park

1204
01:28:36,628 --> 01:28:40,230
is to the citizens of New York City. On how

1205
01:28:40,651 --> 01:28:45,975
true that is. The greater Toronto home pros published a

1206
01:28:46,015 --> 01:28:49,895
study that ranked the top 29 cities in Canada for

1207
01:28:50,076 --> 01:28:58,751
greenery. Thunder Bay ranked 10th. Ranking 10 in Canada is

1208
01:28:58,772 --> 01:29:03,138
something to be proud of. Our city can hold its

1209
01:29:03,159 --> 01:29:07,058
head high every April of 22nd when the world celebrates

1210
01:29:07,239 --> 01:29:12,701
Earth Day. Because we rank so high, though, does not

1211
01:29:13,202 --> 01:29:19,501
justify eradicating the parklands we have to create apartment buildings.

1212
01:29:20,951 --> 01:29:25,970
Furthermore, the City's house land needs study identified sufficient land,

1213
01:29:25,970 --> 01:29:31,932
availability for development and Thunder B. 791 Arundel was not

1214
01:29:32,353 --> 01:29:36,492
included nor recommended in the study to satisfy housing needs.

1215
01:29:37,757 --> 01:29:42,506
The City Zone study concluded. That of the 19, 803

1216
01:29:42,546 --> 01:29:48,473
potential housing units available on potential development land. Only 8,

1217
01:29:49,054 --> 01:29:55,378
82 new units will be needed by 2045. There is

1218
01:29:55,378 --> 01:29:57,618
more than enough of city - owned land for the

1219
01:29:57,639 --> 01:30:04,155
next decade without destroying any of our parklands. The city

1220
01:30:04,416 --> 01:30:07,255
holds a lot of committee of the whole sessions. And

1221
01:30:07,255 --> 01:30:10,235
that is why sometimes it's so difficult for the taxpayer

1222
01:30:10,496 --> 01:30:13,355
to get any de - dealed information that I believe

1223
01:30:13,616 --> 01:30:17,628
entitled to. Singh's at tax dollars being spent eliminate our

1224
01:30:17,889 --> 01:30:22,748
parklands. For example, I made an inquiry with several councillors

1225
01:30:22,788 --> 01:30:26,108
regarding the process used to determine Terralox as a chosen

1226
01:30:26,289 --> 01:30:29,960
one to destroy our parkland. I never even got a

1227
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:35,072
response acknowledged of my inquiry. There was no public competition.

1228
01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:40,579
On April the 7th, 2026, our City Council approved the

1229
01:30:40,579 --> 01:30:44,579
direct land sale of three parties to Terlox General Contractors

1230
01:30:45,160 --> 01:30:48,099
for 5. 2 million dollars. And I'm sure I just

1231
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:51,202
a question I have. Why did Terroluck get such special

1232
01:30:51,242 --> 01:31:00,159
treatment. Councillors. Do you have any idea how significant is

1233
01:31:00,199 --> 01:31:03,599
a number of citizens who are strongly opposed to the

1234
01:31:03,639 --> 01:31:07,119
possible selling of the park lands for urban apartment buildings.

1235
01:31:08,364 --> 01:31:11,143
Especially among the ones who know there are so much

1236
01:31:11,164 --> 01:31:14,983
land available according to your own house land needs study

1237
01:31:15,244 --> 01:31:19,063
that does not include a rundown nor any other Park

1238
01:31:19,084 --> 01:31:23,707
land for consideration. You have been presented with the petition

1239
01:31:23,888 --> 01:31:29,947
that shows 2, 624 signatures that have stated clearly to

1240
01:31:30,128 --> 01:31:35,307
leave the 491 Rundell Parkland as community, not as surplus.

1241
01:31:36,384 --> 01:31:41,563
The signatures represent we the people all over Thunder Bay.

1242
01:31:44,042 --> 01:31:48,901
They are dog walkers and joggers and cyclists skiers, families.

1243
01:31:50,545 --> 01:31:54,684
Many experienced disabilities that confine them to electronic seating devices.

1244
01:31:55,953 --> 01:32:01,838
There is one individual whose disability is blindness. This incredible

1245
01:32:02,179 --> 01:32:06,158
walker uses a white cane and listens to the countless

1246
01:32:06,339 --> 01:32:09,471
bird species in the trees. And the rustling of the

1247
01:32:09,572 --> 01:32:12,991
tree leaves and appreciates a sense that the greenery gives

1248
01:32:12,991 --> 01:32:17,476
to her. All of these citizens will enjoy our Parkland

1249
01:32:17,577 --> 01:32:20,773
in winter. With a snow and the summer with the

1250
01:32:20,874 --> 01:32:25,408
rain. They have all signed the petitions that you have

1251
01:32:25,448 --> 01:32:31,212
received. For their future enjoyment and that of our sons

1252
01:32:31,212 --> 01:32:34,812
and daughters and your sons and daughters, all of our

1253
01:32:35,313 --> 01:32:40,412
grandchildren and our great - grandchildren please leave 791 -

1254
01:32:40,452 --> 01:32:44,412
Rundell Parkland for them and not the developers. And thank

1255
01:32:44,412 --> 01:32:48,853
you for your time. Thank you for your deputation. I

1256
01:32:48,853 --> 01:32:51,268
ask that you hold your seat, please. There might be

1257
01:32:51,268 --> 01:32:56,198
some questions from members of Council. Chatty, please. Thank you

1258
01:32:56,299 --> 01:32:59,718
through the speaker. The deputant asked a question about why

1259
01:32:59,819 --> 01:33:03,398
Terelyx was awarded properties. Is this the appropriate time for

1260
01:33:03,398 --> 01:33:09,674
me to ask administration to, um, answer that question. Yeah,

1261
01:33:09,674 --> 01:33:11,914
I think we're asked to ask follow - up questions

1262
01:33:12,015 --> 01:33:14,474
with a deputy then. We can ask that, um, later

1263
01:33:14,655 --> 01:33:19,228
rounds to administration. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Any other

1264
01:33:19,268 --> 01:33:26,346
questions from Council. No, no, thank you. Very good. Thank

1265
01:33:26,386 --> 01:33:28,826
you for your deputation. I ask that you retire to

1266
01:33:29,007 --> 01:33:36,465
the gallery. Mr. Bach, thank you for your deputation.

1267
01:33:40,549 --> 01:33:45,143
Really. You're done now. You're done. Now. Oh, I'm done?

1268
01:33:45,244 --> 01:33:51,705
Yeah. Nobody's got any questions all of this. Thank you

1269
01:33:51,806 --> 01:33:55,633
again for your time. Thank you. I'll make a call

1270
01:33:55,654 --> 01:33:57,713
to the gallery for Catherine Cortin.

1271
01:34:09,197 --> 01:34:11,736
Thank you. I'll ask that you introduce yourself a reminder

1272
01:34:11,776 --> 01:34:15,076
that, um, ask, maybe you've heard my comments a few

1273
01:34:15,076 --> 01:34:20,256
times about not repeating previous, uh, material or concerns. Um,

1274
01:34:20,837 --> 01:34:25,492
please again, introduce yourself and you have 10 minutes. I'm

1275
01:34:25,593 --> 01:34:30,292
Councilman Cortine. I'm part of the Tibet Green Space Preservation

1276
01:34:30,473 --> 01:34:34,296
Group. Thank you, Speaker and Mayor Boschkoff and members of

1277
01:34:34,477 --> 01:34:42,520
Council. I'll try not to repeat information, but, um, I

1278
01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:48,030
have to say that some of the information. Are real

1279
01:34:48,070 --> 01:34:51,950
concerns of mind. So I will repeat very briefly some

1280
01:34:51,971 --> 01:34:58,269
parts of them. Thank you for listening to us. Uh,

1281
01:34:58,290 --> 01:35:02,349
so the concerns that I have starts with the consultation

1282
01:35:02,610 --> 01:35:06,269
process, which has been already addressed, but I want to

1283
01:35:06,290 --> 01:35:11,469
add that T - Bay Green Space Preservation is very

1284
01:35:11,730 --> 01:35:16,429
lucky to have in its mised experts who have spent

1285
01:35:17,010 --> 01:35:24,589
confess hours researching city documents, infrastructure issues and environmental impacts

1286
01:35:25,090 --> 01:35:31,229
and also communicating with city stuff and councillors. So they

1287
01:35:31,269 --> 01:35:34,909
haven't been considered in your previous decisions such as selling

1288
01:35:35,010 --> 01:35:39,869
the land or declaring it surplus. So I just want

1289
01:35:39,869 --> 01:35:42,269
to say that I hope that research will be considered

1290
01:35:42,610 --> 01:35:48,767
this time today. Another concern I have is that after

1291
01:35:48,788 --> 01:35:52,847
working so hard on the earth care committee in the

1292
01:35:52,847 --> 01:35:57,647
past, I'm now faced with the possible loss of a

1293
01:35:57,647 --> 01:36:03,087
space that we present exactly what Earthcare was all about.

1294
01:36:04,565 --> 01:36:10,836
Such assisting ability, physical, mental health. Well - being, climate,

1295
01:36:10,836 --> 01:36:16,340
rate read readiness, preservation of ecosystems. So it's very disappointing

1296
01:36:16,441 --> 01:36:20,420
for me to be here again after we went through

1297
01:36:21,401 --> 01:36:28,100
so much time discussing how Thunder Bay can be a

1298
01:36:28,100 --> 01:36:32,925
sustainable planet. City, sorry.

1299
01:36:38,225 --> 01:36:43,284
I also want to say that Thunder Bay, I mean

1300
01:36:44,625 --> 01:36:50,044
794 Aroundo provides habitat and a home to species of

1301
01:36:50,385 --> 01:36:56,764
special concern among the myriad of wildlife. We have the

1302
01:36:56,804 --> 01:37:01,884
Grey Fox, a species that is classified as threatened under

1303
01:37:02,065 --> 01:37:07,724
both provincial and federal legislation. The Canadian Warbler and a

1304
01:37:07,764 --> 01:37:13,143
variety of bees. So these species will be disrupted by

1305
01:37:13,324 --> 01:37:20,454
the process of building. You can offer and promise all

1306
01:37:20,475 --> 01:37:27,574
kinds of accommodations after building, such as maintaining green space

1307
01:37:27,995 --> 01:37:32,774
or trails. You can make all these promises, but the

1308
01:37:32,774 --> 01:37:37,014
disruption that will happen during the building is not something

1309
01:37:37,115 --> 01:37:43,094
that cannot, can be avoided.

1310
01:37:47,245 --> 01:37:52,744
There is also a repair in forest that offers flood

1311
01:37:52,845 --> 01:37:58,104
present, not only because of its trees, but also because

1312
01:37:58,205 --> 01:38:02,914
of a sandy structure. People have even seen painted turtles

1313
01:38:03,735 --> 01:38:09,057
cross around the street. To the meadow. So what the

1314
01:38:09,238 --> 01:38:15,137
applicant calls partially cleared land, I call it a very

1315
01:38:15,137 --> 01:38:20,877
important part of an ecosystem. Because turtles, they eggs and

1316
01:38:20,898 --> 01:38:26,261
sand. So it's not only Cindy, but it's also a

1317
01:38:26,442 --> 01:38:30,261
meadow. And it's not partially cleared. It's part of an

1318
01:38:30,282 --> 01:38:38,077
ecosystem. I believe that safeguarding wildlife and ecosystem. That we

1319
01:38:38,338 --> 01:38:43,597
all rely on should include our own local community's, like

1320
01:38:43,597 --> 01:38:47,277
the Parkland that mayor and council are targeting for destruction.

1321
01:38:49,019 --> 01:38:56,438
At 791 around the Street. I'm also concerned about important

1322
01:38:56,619 --> 01:39:05,322
city documents that have been produced. Which all mentioned the

1323
01:39:05,362 --> 01:39:14,220
importance of protecting environmental environment and ecosystems. The official plan

1324
01:39:14,241 --> 01:39:20,132
is one of them. The housing land needs study. Is

1325
01:39:20,172 --> 01:39:26,690
one of them. The urban forestry management plan is one

1326
01:39:26,690 --> 01:39:31,090
of them climate adaptations. Strategy is one of them. Green

1327
01:39:31,191 --> 01:39:35,810
space, it identifies green space as a critical infrastructure for

1328
01:39:36,071 --> 01:39:39,884
climate resilience. And I think we all need that. Especially

1329
01:39:40,065 --> 01:39:45,191
after the fires that we've experienced. Anyways, all these documents

1330
01:39:45,612 --> 01:39:49,028
have been produced by the City. With our money. And

1331
01:39:49,028 --> 01:39:55,928
now they're being contradicted because of developer, a developer, prefers

1332
01:39:56,029 --> 01:40:00,088
to build on green space rather than building where the

1333
01:40:00,088 --> 01:40:05,388
community needs building. Which would be for the good of

1334
01:40:05,388 --> 01:40:09,112
all, right? To build where we need it. We're in

1335
01:40:10,013 --> 01:40:15,101
some neighbourhoods that do need building. I'm concerned also that

1336
01:40:15,122 --> 01:40:19,181
if this rezoning is allowed, other parks and green spaces

1337
01:40:19,202 --> 01:40:25,028
may follow suit. The land near Boulevard League should be

1338
01:40:25,068 --> 01:40:31,982
considered sacred sacred and untouchable. Preserve for future generations. I'm

1339
01:40:32,163 --> 01:40:36,462
also very concerned about the well - being of our

1340
01:40:36,502 --> 01:40:42,142
elderly who live in Chartwell and rely on 791 for

1341
01:40:42,163 --> 01:40:47,474
an accessible green space. They may not only lose the

1342
01:40:47,474 --> 01:40:50,514
space, but they also be faced with a huge increase

1343
01:40:50,615 --> 01:40:54,834
in traffic that will endanger their lives and quality of

1344
01:40:54,855 --> 01:40:59,966
life. I'm also concerned with the cost, which will be

1345
01:41:00,147 --> 01:41:06,454
incurred by the Mini, which is us, the taxpayers. To

1346
01:41:06,494 --> 01:41:13,791
accommodate the wish and interests of one. Terralox. I'm concerned

1347
01:41:13,812 --> 01:41:17,551
that with one decision such as the one you'll make

1348
01:41:17,591 --> 01:41:21,951
today, so many consequences may happen that may not be

1349
01:41:22,052 --> 01:41:26,923
reversed in the future. I'm asking you to consider this

1350
01:41:26,963 --> 01:41:33,743
very carefully. The decision you make today. Will have irreversible

1351
01:41:33,924 --> 01:41:39,441
consequences. And may create a precedent for the future. So

1352
01:41:39,782 --> 01:41:43,601
I'm asking you, will your decision help preserve what the

1353
01:41:43,641 --> 01:41:47,741
community values? And you know what the community values. You

1354
01:41:47,741 --> 01:41:52,303
have done many, many surveys and studies. Will it help

1355
01:41:52,343 --> 01:41:58,786
to preserve green spaces and community spaces. For the future?

1356
01:41:58,786 --> 01:42:03,332
Or will it set a precedent for more losses. Will

1357
01:42:03,433 --> 01:42:07,972
your decision today show the many voters that you actually

1358
01:42:07,993 --> 01:42:12,991
consider their concerns. Or will it show that one developer

1359
01:42:13,732 --> 01:42:18,017
interest are more, have more weight. I heard many comments

1360
01:42:18,057 --> 01:42:22,177
saying, don't bother their mind was already made up a

1361
01:42:22,177 --> 01:42:25,021
long time ago. But I chose to believe in the

1362
01:42:25,202 --> 01:42:31,058
democratic process anyway. One more time. So your vote today

1363
01:42:31,639 --> 01:42:36,906
will reveal where your allegiance stands. I hope it stands

1364
01:42:36,927 --> 01:42:43,514
with the many with the community. Thank you. Thank you.

1365
01:42:44,015 --> 01:42:52,342
Thank you. Are there any questions of the deputy. Sing

1366
01:42:52,363 --> 01:42:54,902
none, ask you, retire to the gallery, please. Thank you.

1367
01:42:56,129 --> 01:42:58,748
Next up on the list is Joe DeBolt.

1368
01:43:12,061 --> 01:43:19,382
Joel. Sorry. Apologies for the Bispernution of your name. Hopefully

1369
01:43:19,382 --> 01:43:24,102
you've heard my comments to other deputates to please not

1370
01:43:24,363 --> 01:43:31,315
reiterate. Said information. Or concerns. And please introduce yourself. You

1371
01:43:31,315 --> 01:43:32,775
have 10 minutes when you begin.

1372
01:43:44,742 --> 01:43:48,721
Thanks. My name is Joel Debolt. Gravisee. I'm okay to

1373
01:43:48,721 --> 01:43:49,441
stand. Or do you want me to do it? I

1374
01:43:49,441 --> 01:43:54,388
can set. Sure. Nice to see you guys here. How

1375
01:43:54,409 --> 01:44:00,502
many? 13. Beautiful souls. Thank you. I appreciate it. Um,

1376
01:44:01,323 --> 01:44:04,942
I live in Thunder Bay up on Lady Avenue. I

1377
01:44:04,963 --> 01:44:07,422
spent some time in this area we're talking about the

1378
01:44:07,443 --> 01:44:14,422
Lions Boulevard East Trail, Arundel. And I spend time there

1379
01:44:14,462 --> 01:44:17,922
with my friend Cooper quite a bit. And, um, I

1380
01:44:17,922 --> 01:44:20,962
love playing in that area. Specifically that area, The Lion's

1381
01:44:21,002 --> 01:44:24,894
area. And I love playing there with Cooper and he.

1382
01:44:26,335 --> 01:44:28,554
Loves playing there as well. And when we were playing,

1383
01:44:28,554 --> 01:44:31,034
you know, going back and forth and running to and

1384
01:44:31,074 --> 01:44:34,234
fro and chasing. And yelling and laughing and all that

1385
01:44:34,234 --> 01:44:36,978
good stuff you do when you're playing. Ado is amazed

1386
01:44:37,079 --> 01:44:39,908
at the tapestry of right in front of me. The

1387
01:44:39,948 --> 01:44:46,588
tapestry. The picture, the view called nature. Nature is living

1388
01:44:46,628 --> 01:44:55,462
art. It's alive. Breathing and speaking. So I'm not here

1389
01:44:55,462 --> 01:45:00,742
to change your opinions or your beliefs or your viewpoints.

1390
01:45:00,742 --> 01:45:04,189
My intent here is to bring her nature. Her living

1391
01:45:04,229 --> 01:45:06,349
art to this council right here, right now for this

1392
01:45:06,349 --> 01:45:07,869
moment that we're in together. That would get to share.

1393
01:45:09,071 --> 01:45:15,366
As a team, a community. And because she's art and

1394
01:45:15,406 --> 01:45:19,686
her art, nature's art and spoken word has the ability

1395
01:45:19,867 --> 01:45:24,867
empowered to remove layers. So that President of Motions may

1396
01:45:24,888 --> 01:45:30,123
come forth at our exists within us. Nature is this.

1397
01:45:32,526 --> 01:45:39,495
We are nature. This is us. So just before I

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01:45:39,535 --> 01:45:41,175
read these words, I want your permission to share them

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01:45:41,175 --> 01:45:47,263
with you, the Council. Because words have power. Yes, okay.

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01:45:47,263 --> 01:45:51,850
Thank you. Um, so this is my spoken poetry. Nature's

1401
01:45:51,890 --> 01:45:59,523
Art. Energy and words from nature, from experience. Golden Caribou.

1402
01:46:00,697 --> 01:46:06,743
The dye is cast. Blue and orange. Worlding through space.

1403
01:46:08,490 --> 01:46:17,220
Time pauses to reflect. Trajectory. Peaking at Apex. Liminal and

1404
01:46:17,260 --> 01:46:27,015
pondering. Signing before dissent. Oxygen tugging on the surface. Spinning

1405
01:46:27,116 --> 01:46:34,382
clockwise. The space between blue and orange. Dissolves. He knows.

1406
01:46:36,258 --> 01:46:42,229
He pauses that side. Honch is twitching. Whipped phone on

1407
01:46:42,229 --> 01:46:48,080
his mouth. Fourth in saliva. His muscles charging his pulse.

1408
01:46:49,361 --> 01:46:54,959
He quivers on the mound. He scrits. He strains. A

1409
01:46:54,959 --> 01:47:02,339
growled stay. His ignition and suspends his rocket a desire.

1410
01:47:03,408 --> 01:47:11,565
He coils down. Inevitability in his wine. Pausing. Pausing. Pausing.

1411
01:47:13,428 --> 01:47:17,327
Fetch ruptures the field. A blur of weight draws in

1412
01:47:17,327 --> 01:47:22,007
gold. Green slivers, wail and protest as claws grunt on

1413
01:47:22,007 --> 01:47:28,366
earth. Forward and faster he drives. The spinning orb. Glowers

1414
01:47:28,547 --> 01:47:33,936
and sunlit energy. Framing its vortex. Down into the unknown.

1415
01:47:33,936 --> 01:47:40,696
The orb consenting to gravity. Nesting into caribou lichen. That's

1416
01:47:40,717 --> 01:47:46,202
for my friend Willow. The blue collared white tooth friend

1417
01:47:47,343 --> 01:47:50,682
close on the coloured Comet. Follows, nose down tail up.

1418
01:47:52,323 --> 01:47:58,958
He worbles on instinct. His umbridled heart. Wagging his dance.

1419
01:48:01,254 --> 01:48:08,153
In play of many. Knowing the teaching began with the

1420
01:48:08,174 --> 01:48:17,683
intent. So my friend Cooper.

1421
01:48:18,316 --> 01:48:20,135
Who was always in plague, he's always led with his

1422
01:48:20,175 --> 01:48:23,634
heart and followed his heart. Want me to show that

1423
01:48:23,674 --> 01:48:26,783
message today. So when we make big decisions and vote

1424
01:48:26,783 --> 01:48:29,103
on important things when we leave with the heart right

1425
01:48:29,124 --> 01:48:32,923
here and not here because this leads this. And when

1426
01:48:32,923 --> 01:48:34,463
you vote from here and you think from here like

1427
01:48:34,503 --> 01:48:38,117
Cooper does and he's curious and he plays. We can

1428
01:48:38,117 --> 01:48:41,088
make decisions from in here. And he asked me to

1429
01:48:41,128 --> 01:48:44,452
show that today. So thank you council. My appreciation to

1430
01:48:44,473 --> 01:48:53,813
Cooper. The friend Dross and Gold. And to myself and

1431
01:48:53,853 --> 01:48:57,253
the people behind me and my appreciation to the birds

1432
01:48:57,274 --> 01:49:00,326
who always speak the truth. Thank you. Is there any

1433
01:49:00,326 --> 01:49:02,806
questions? Thank you. I was about to ask. Is there

1434
01:49:02,806 --> 01:49:08,768
any questions from Council. None asked, they retired to the

1435
01:49:08,808 --> 01:49:12,944
gallery. Next on the list I have Lori Santing.

1436
01:49:20,208 --> 01:49:23,547
Thank you. And again, I reiterate the plea to not

1437
01:49:23,568 --> 01:49:28,435
repeat information that's been already provided or concerns. Could you

1438
01:49:28,435 --> 01:49:31,555
please introduce yourself and you'll have 10 minutes when you're

1439
01:49:31,595 --> 01:49:31,715
ready.

1440
01:49:41,902 --> 01:49:45,001
Good evening. Mayor Boschkoff and members of Council. My name

1441
01:49:45,001 --> 01:49:48,441
is Lori Santink. My husband Nick and Iona home on

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01:49:48,441 --> 01:49:52,041
Toledo that backs onto the Parkland at 791 a rundell.

1443
01:49:52,081 --> 01:49:54,841
My background in the legal system. And as a policy

1444
01:49:54,862 --> 01:49:57,241
analyst, as well as being a member of a Planning

1445
01:49:57,342 --> 01:50:00,121
and Development Committee for the Community Association while I lived

1446
01:50:00,222 --> 01:50:03,961
in Calgary provides me with the necessary skills and experience

1447
01:50:04,782 --> 01:50:07,401
to review and comprehend the City's own planning and Development

1448
01:50:07,422 --> 01:50:12,201
documents, provincial legislation. And the various reports and studies that

1449
01:50:12,201 --> 01:50:16,775
have been prepared for this development. As you've already heard,

1450
01:50:16,876 --> 01:50:20,070
there have been changes to the Planning Act. And it's

1451
01:50:20,070 --> 01:50:23,190
incumbent upon you, I say, as the final arbiters to

1452
01:50:23,211 --> 01:50:26,310
ensure that you have done the necessary due diligence, which

1453
01:50:26,310 --> 01:50:29,590
includes reading all the reports and studies and being well

1454
01:50:29,611 --> 01:50:32,583
- versed in the city's own planning documents. In order

1455
01:50:32,623 --> 01:50:37,156
to make an informed decision this evening. Unfortunately, based on

1456
01:50:37,377 --> 01:50:39,836
many engagements I have had over social media as well

1457
01:50:39,836 --> 01:50:42,796
as in person with members of Council, it's an apparent

1458
01:50:42,796 --> 01:50:44,716
that many of you may not have done that due

1459
01:50:44,737 --> 01:50:48,236
diligence. I therefore question whether you are in a position

1460
01:50:48,417 --> 01:50:51,276
to make an informed decision about the application before you

1461
01:50:51,537 --> 01:50:55,105
this evening. My comments will be directed to why this

1462
01:50:55,145 --> 01:50:58,385
development and the decision by Council to Surplus and Sell

1463
01:50:58,406 --> 01:51:01,345
this Parkland contravenes the purpose and principles of the City's

1464
01:51:01,345 --> 01:51:05,025
own planning documents. The housing strategy has already been mentioned,

1465
01:51:05,025 --> 01:51:08,417
but I like to point out a few dates. The

1466
01:51:08,438 --> 01:51:12,417
Study and Strategy was likely commissioned in 2022 because the

1467
01:51:12,438 --> 01:51:16,097
first stakeholder sessions were conducted in January of 23. I

1468
01:51:16,137 --> 01:51:18,657
have read this report in its entirety and its very

1469
01:51:18,758 --> 01:51:23,217
comprehensive. Council decided in March 23 to start looking at

1470
01:51:23,558 --> 01:51:27,217
City Owned Lands, including Parkland for Development. I submit that

1471
01:51:27,257 --> 01:51:30,097
there was no necessity for Council to act at that

1472
01:51:30,137 --> 01:51:33,937
time prior to receiving the extensive and detailed analysis HTFC

1473
01:51:34,518 --> 01:51:38,977
was commissioned to provide. Even in June of 2024, irrespective

1474
01:51:39,017 --> 01:51:42,497
of the housing strategy that counseled by then had received,

1475
01:51:42,497 --> 01:51:44,897
you continued to push your own plan instead of utilising

1476
01:51:44,918 --> 01:51:49,697
the well - researched strategy incorporating significant stakeholder feedback and

1477
01:51:49,697 --> 01:51:52,497
which provided a detailed analysis of Thunder Bay's Land and

1478
01:51:52,537 --> 01:51:55,217
Housing needs. The same cannot be said of your plan.

1479
01:51:55,810 --> 01:51:59,349
The City's official plan includes purposes and principles, many of

1480
01:51:59,349 --> 01:52:02,429
which are echoed in the smart growth and transportation master

1481
01:52:02,450 --> 01:52:05,229
plan. And as such, my comments will refer to all

1482
01:52:05,269 --> 01:52:08,989
three documents. For example, the official plan is designed to

1483
01:52:09,029 --> 01:52:11,949
meet the needs of the community by creating an attractive,

1484
01:52:11,949 --> 01:52:16,589
accessible walkable city, guiding principles include a complete and connected

1485
01:52:16,690 --> 01:52:19,949
urban design, being accessible and active, providing a variety of

1486
01:52:20,050 --> 01:52:25,709
transportation choices with priority given to walking cycling and transit.

1487
01:52:25,890 --> 01:52:29,549
It states new developments shell provide for adequate and appropriate

1488
01:52:29,650 --> 01:52:34,269
pedestrian access. This development and this location does not comply

1489
01:52:34,309 --> 01:52:36,509
with any of these purposes and principles. It does not

1490
01:52:36,530 --> 01:52:40,189
provide year - round walking or cycling choices. The Parkland

1491
01:52:40,229 --> 01:52:43,469
is in a car dependent neighbourhood which lasts basic urban

1492
01:52:43,509 --> 01:52:48,029
infrastructure such as sidewalks along Arundel and Hudson. And even

1493
01:52:48,210 --> 01:52:52,109
continuous and connected sidewalks on Toledo, the existing neighbourhood is

1494
01:52:52,210 --> 01:52:56,029
neither complete nor connected. The act of living corridor is

1495
01:52:56,050 --> 01:52:59,389
not year - round infrastructure and as such cannot provide

1496
01:52:59,490 --> 01:53:02,909
functional and safe passage or act as a significant mode

1497
01:53:02,909 --> 01:53:06,749
of transportation to pedestrians and cyclists outside of the summer

1498
01:53:06,789 --> 01:53:11,309
months. As for Public Transit, this development is not well

1499
01:53:11,309 --> 01:53:14,589
served. The lone bus runs every 30 to 45 minutes

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01:53:14,930 --> 01:53:17,229
at a bus stop without a shelter and does not

1501
01:53:17,269 --> 01:53:20,269
travel east along a runde to the closest shop at

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01:53:20,530 --> 01:53:23,469
a rundel and hotter. As a result, few, if any

1503
01:53:23,469 --> 01:53:26,749
of the new residents would ever consider public transit as

1504
01:53:26,770 --> 01:53:30,429
their primary mode of transportation. The plan states the City

1505
01:53:30,429 --> 01:53:33,389
will market residential lands to assist in the supply of

1506
01:53:33,410 --> 01:53:38,669
development lands. 791 Arundels designated community, not residential. It never

1507
01:53:38,669 --> 01:53:42,829
should have been marketed for development. The Planned State's Densor

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01:53:42,869 --> 01:53:45,549
Housing Forms will be encouraged in all newly developing areas

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01:53:45,970 --> 01:53:49,229
and in areas where major employment, commercial and institutional activities

1510
01:53:49,410 --> 01:53:53,629
exist. Further, affordable housing will be encouraged to locate in

1511
01:53:53,629 --> 01:53:56,749
close proximity to shopping, community facilities, and existing or potential

1512
01:53:56,850 --> 01:54:01,549
public transit and active transportation routes. This development doesn't meet

1513
01:54:01,730 --> 01:54:06,189
either of these two principles. The planned state's residential intensification

1514
01:54:06,290 --> 01:54:11,746
includes the development of vacant or underutilized laws. 791, a

1515
01:54:11,746 --> 01:54:15,146
rundell is not a vacant or underutilized lot or infil.

1516
01:54:15,146 --> 01:54:18,666
It is Parkland, literally the very western tip of Boulevard

1517
01:54:18,687 --> 01:54:22,906
Lake Park. The official plan states compatibility with existing built

1518
01:54:23,007 --> 01:54:25,226
form with the existing and planned character of an area

1519
01:54:25,967 --> 01:54:28,586
should be sensitive to the height - scale massing and

1520
01:54:28,586 --> 01:54:32,106
architectural character of buildings in the surrounding neighbourhood. In fact,

1521
01:54:32,287 --> 01:54:35,706
the official plan even states high - rise housing includes

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01:54:35,967 --> 01:54:38,666
apartment - dwellings or mixed - use buildings that have

1523
01:54:38,687 --> 01:54:43,386
a height of five stories or more. At seven stories

1524
01:54:43,647 --> 01:54:47,386
and 360 units, this development is not only high density,

1525
01:54:47,386 --> 01:54:50,506
but according to the official plan, it's also high -

1526
01:54:50,506 --> 01:54:53,626
rise. For those reasons alone, this development is in no

1527
01:54:53,666 --> 01:54:57,786
way, shape or form compatible with the existing neighbourhood. I

1528
01:54:57,807 --> 01:55:01,066
submit that a development which is the largest apartment complex

1529
01:55:01,247 --> 01:55:03,386
in the history of our city and which appears to

1530
01:55:03,407 --> 01:55:06,426
allow for further encroachment into the adjacent park land to

1531
01:55:06,426 --> 01:55:09,786
the east with a potential of a new collector requires

1532
01:55:09,826 --> 01:55:13,786
a secondary plan be prepared. The fact that city administration

1533
01:55:13,807 --> 01:55:16,666
is recommending a site - specific provision be applied to

1534
01:55:16,666 --> 01:55:19,786
the rezoning indicates that a more detailed direction for land

1535
01:55:19,887 --> 01:55:23,706
- used urban designer similar issues are required. As such,

1536
01:55:23,727 --> 01:55:26,746
on this point alone, rezoning should not be approved until

1537
01:55:26,927 --> 01:55:29,946
such time as a secondary plan is prepared and the

1538
01:55:29,946 --> 01:55:35,558
proper public and fulsome public consultation has been undertaken. The

1539
01:55:35,739 --> 01:55:39,158
province's growth plan for Northern Ontario states that our city,

1540
01:55:39,158 --> 01:55:42,038
as an economic and service hub, should encourage a significant

1541
01:55:42,139 --> 01:55:45,798
portion of future residential unemployment Development to locate an existing

1542
01:55:45,899 --> 01:55:51,158
downtown areas, intensification corridors, Brownfield sites and strategic core areas.

1543
01:55:51,158 --> 01:55:53,958
Council has chosen location for this massive development is not

1544
01:55:54,059 --> 01:55:57,398
what is envisioned by the growth plan. And like many

1545
01:55:57,398 --> 01:56:00,198
other Planning documents, it also states the City should provide

1546
01:56:00,539 --> 01:56:04,118
a range of transportation options, something that's development in this

1547
01:56:04,118 --> 01:56:08,438
location cannot provide. The need to respond to and mitigate

1548
01:56:08,619 --> 01:56:12,438
climate change is oppressing issue the City's Net Zero strategy

1549
01:56:12,539 --> 01:56:19,398
sets out a number of targets which included intensification area

1550
01:56:19,739 --> 01:56:24,278
near the central city, planting 100, 000 trees within the

1551
01:56:24,299 --> 01:56:28,438
Municipal Boundary by 2050. The development at a rundale is

1552
01:56:28,438 --> 01:56:31,558
not near the central city, and will require the denuding

1553
01:56:31,598 --> 01:56:35,318
of almost the entire parcel. Why are we removing mature

1554
01:56:35,358 --> 01:56:39,078
stands of trees, destroying existing metals in biodiversity, especially in

1555
01:56:39,078 --> 01:56:42,438
this age of severe climate change? In an effort to

1556
01:56:42,478 --> 01:56:46,358
reduce gas emissions, 65 of trip, 65 percent of trips

1557
01:56:46,379 --> 01:56:49,398
within the City will be done by transit, walking and

1558
01:56:49,398 --> 01:56:53,238
cycling by 2030, less than four years from now. Why

1559
01:56:53,339 --> 01:56:56,678
then is the City considering allowing the largest development in

1560
01:56:56,678 --> 01:57:00,038
the history of our city to be built in a

1561
01:57:00,139 --> 01:57:03,558
car dependent community where the majority of trips require the

1562
01:57:03,659 --> 01:57:09,710
use of a personal vehicle. I have other concerns. Terra

1563
01:57:09,710 --> 01:57:13,950
Lux is completely different versions of the development, the incomplete,

1564
01:57:13,950 --> 01:57:18,110
and somewhat misleading information and StanTechs reports, the Environmental Impact

1565
01:57:18,371 --> 01:57:21,790
Study that doesn't reference any mammals, including our resident Grey

1566
01:57:21,891 --> 01:57:25,230
Fox, who appeared on my deck. But unfortunately my time

1567
01:57:25,411 --> 01:57:29,150
is limited. Many of you were on Council in January,

1568
01:57:29,150 --> 01:57:32,370
2020 when the Climate Emergency was declared. Some of you

1569
01:57:32,371 --> 01:57:36,570
served on the Earth Care Advisory Committee, Mayor Boschkoff, you

1570
01:57:36,611 --> 01:57:40,190
yourself are an ambassador for the Wilder Institute whose purpose

1571
01:57:40,230 --> 01:57:43,310
is to safeguard wildlife and the ecosystems we all depend

1572
01:57:43,310 --> 01:57:47,310
on. The destruction of Parkland and Wildlife Habitat for a

1573
01:57:47,350 --> 01:57:51,790
massive development in a car dependent neighbourhood goes against everything,

1574
01:57:51,790 --> 01:57:54,190
every one of you alleged to support. Was this just

1575
01:57:54,451 --> 01:57:59,150
greenwashing for political points? I ask you to carefully consider

1576
01:57:59,491 --> 01:58:04,350
my comments. Chair, I asked for personal slurs, not necessary

1577
01:58:04,390 --> 01:58:07,470
at this time. Thank you, Mayor Bosch Kavasti. Keep your

1578
01:58:07,651 --> 01:58:12,510
comments and articulation parliamentary, please. Understood. Thank you. I asked

1579
01:58:12,510 --> 01:58:14,910
you to carefully consider my comments and those of my

1580
01:58:14,950 --> 01:58:17,790
fellow residents here tonight, including those who have sent you

1581
01:58:17,891 --> 01:58:20,750
emails or made phone calls. I ask you to consider

1582
01:58:20,851 --> 01:58:24,350
the 2600 plus residents who signed the petition against this

1583
01:58:24,371 --> 01:58:28,110
development and the likely 100 people who showed up tonight

1584
01:58:28,451 --> 01:58:32,350
at the rally. Thousands of residents have spoken. We do

1585
01:58:32,390 --> 01:58:36,350
not want this Parkland used for residential development. It sets

1586
01:58:36,390 --> 01:58:39,390
a terrible precedent as others have said. It opens the

1587
01:58:39,411 --> 01:58:42,990
door to more encroachment into Boulevard Lake Park, one that

1588
01:58:43,030 --> 01:58:46,110
will have a lasting negative impact on current and future

1589
01:58:46,150 --> 01:58:49,950
generations. Is this really the legacy you wish to leave?

1590
01:58:50,387 --> 01:58:53,806
Thank you. Thank you. I asked that you remained in

1591
01:58:53,806 --> 01:58:58,408
your seat. There might be some questions from Council. Foles,

1592
01:58:58,408 --> 01:59:04,088
please. Thank you, Speaker. You thank you for your presentation.

1593
01:59:04,088 --> 01:59:07,368
You went through a lot of information there. Towards the

1594
01:59:07,408 --> 01:59:10,728
end, you had mentioned a couple of things that I

1595
01:59:10,829 --> 01:59:13,208
wanted to dig into a little bit. You said you

1596
01:59:13,248 --> 01:59:18,568
had some concerns about changing of the development over time.

1597
01:59:18,568 --> 01:59:21,368
Just wondering, I think you said concerns. I'm just wondering

1598
01:59:21,368 --> 01:59:24,088
if you could expand on that place. Yes, four different

1599
01:59:24,128 --> 01:59:28,808
versions of this development were prepared and presented. The first

1600
01:59:28,848 --> 01:59:32,328
was an extremely poor quality concept proposal of three massive

1601
01:59:32,328 --> 01:59:35,768
buildings, 600 units. And that was presented in the fall

1602
01:59:35,789 --> 01:59:39,768
of 2025. It did not conform with the urban mid

1603
01:59:39,808 --> 01:59:42,568
- right zoning, the City required, completely ignored other zoning

1604
01:59:42,669 --> 01:59:44,808
by - law and official plan requirements for this type

1605
01:59:44,829 --> 01:59:49,048
of build. In this particular setting. Um, but it was

1606
01:59:49,088 --> 01:59:51,928
still presented to the public as if it was something

1607
01:59:52,029 --> 01:59:58,248
that was possible. The second version in January 26th was

1608
01:59:58,248 --> 02:00:02,008
at least professionally done. It appeared to be prepared by

1609
02:00:02,349 --> 02:00:04,568
Brooks McElroy, a firm that the City is used on

1610
02:00:04,589 --> 02:00:07,448
a number of occasions. It also provided a lengthy memo

1611
02:00:07,469 --> 02:00:12,248
on the significant feedback. That was received for the Development,

1612
02:00:12,248 --> 02:00:15,008
and it included, this is the feedback received. This is

1613
02:00:15,008 --> 02:00:19,167
how we're mitigating the development. The conceptual drawing, though, in

1614
02:00:19,207 --> 02:00:23,887
January 2026, was misleading. It showed two smaller buildings set

1615
02:00:23,887 --> 02:00:27,502
to the east side of the property. Those two buildings

1616
02:00:27,603 --> 02:00:32,622
could not have helped hold 400 units. And it was

1617
02:00:33,043 --> 02:00:36,302
very, it was beautifully done. Lots of trees, lots of

1618
02:00:36,483 --> 02:00:38,622
green space. So it's very misleading. It looked like most

1619
02:00:38,662 --> 02:00:41,942
of the space at 791, and Rundrell was going to

1620
02:00:41,942 --> 02:00:48,702
be left untouched. So it's concerning to me because all

1621
02:00:48,702 --> 02:00:51,662
of these versions, you know, people are looking at them

1622
02:00:51,843 --> 02:00:56,382
and they're making, they're believing a certain concept as being

1623
02:00:56,422 --> 02:00:59,342
presented, and that's going to be the reality. And all

1624
02:00:59,342 --> 02:01:03,102
of us know that concept proposals are just that concept.

1625
02:01:03,142 --> 02:01:05,662
The third version was issued with the City's Nose of

1626
02:01:05,662 --> 02:01:10,142
Application. I believe it was July 3rd. It disregarded all

1627
02:01:10,142 --> 02:01:14,061
that previous feedback that was received. And placed the development

1628
02:01:14,322 --> 02:01:17,261
immediately behind the houses on Toledo. And to be honest

1629
02:01:17,261 --> 02:01:19,621
with you, it was like a big screw you. We

1630
02:01:19,682 --> 02:01:21,581
don't care what you said. We don't care about the

1631
02:01:22,242 --> 02:01:27,591
residents. And obviously it got everybody up in arms. So

1632
02:01:27,772 --> 02:01:31,491
that site sketch was sent out only to local, you

1633
02:01:31,491 --> 02:01:34,951
know, the nearby residents within 120 metres. So the reaction

1634
02:01:35,052 --> 02:01:38,835
was swift. Then not a week later. Version four shows

1635
02:01:38,835 --> 02:01:42,280
up. And this is a version that you have in

1636
02:01:42,280 --> 02:01:45,909
your city council report this evening. It included a notice

1637
02:01:45,909 --> 02:01:49,269
of application notice of Public Meeting and information about the

1638
02:01:50,570 --> 02:01:55,269
Public Information session. And what's also concerning about that fourth

1639
02:01:55,309 --> 02:01:57,989
version is the introduction of the new road on the

1640
02:01:58,170 --> 02:02:01,983
east side. This road was never discussed at any point

1641
02:02:02,004 --> 02:02:05,583
in time since the beginning of this whole process, which

1642
02:02:05,583 --> 02:02:10,223
I might add Council and Administration had a huge hand

1643
02:02:10,324 --> 02:02:12,463
in. You were a partner in this because it was

1644
02:02:12,564 --> 02:02:16,263
done through the opportunity Sites Process. So all of a

1645
02:02:16,263 --> 02:02:20,383
sudden we're looking at a road on the east, obviously

1646
02:02:20,383 --> 02:02:22,943
encroaching into further park LAN at some point in time.

1647
02:02:24,082 --> 02:02:27,741
Right? Possibility of lion boulevard getting realigned, which was never

1648
02:02:27,842 --> 02:02:31,821
discussed with anybody. But the transportation master plan does show

1649
02:02:33,522 --> 02:02:38,141
a road in that plan that was from 2019. So,

1650
02:02:38,141 --> 02:02:40,041
I mean, it just depends on who you ask. But

1651
02:02:40,041 --> 02:02:42,781
obviously it looks to be like there'd be more and

1652
02:02:42,821 --> 02:02:46,941
more development in current river. So I just question why

1653
02:02:47,042 --> 02:02:51,021
Terlox, you don't come to the table with a proposal

1654
02:02:51,282 --> 02:02:54,701
that's like so far out there, the initial proposal of

1655
02:02:54,882 --> 02:02:58,169
600 units. Didn't even comply with the mid - rise

1656
02:02:58,209 --> 02:03:00,329
zoning. And then you turn around, you have the fourth

1657
02:03:00,350 --> 02:03:05,062
version. Oh, we're going to add a road. And people

1658
02:03:05,483 --> 02:03:08,262
are just up in arms about it. And their concern,

1659
02:03:08,262 --> 02:03:15,227
what actually is happening. Okay. Thank you, Speaker. Have another

1660
02:03:15,408 --> 02:03:19,707
question here. Um, you did mention about some of Stantex

1661
02:03:19,728 --> 02:03:23,547
reports. And you made the suggestion. And I just briefly

1662
02:03:23,808 --> 02:03:28,027
please, you said that some of them were incomplete. And,

1663
02:03:28,027 --> 02:03:31,947
uh, we have an opportunity to ask the applicant Stan

1664
02:03:31,987 --> 02:03:34,667
Tech later. So briefly please, you know, how are they

1665
02:03:34,768 --> 02:03:38,027
incomplete? One of the things they mentioned is, for example,

1666
02:03:38,027 --> 02:03:41,387
the traffic study. The traffic study used data from July

1667
02:03:41,568 --> 02:03:46,267
31st of 2023. July 31st happens to be major vacation

1668
02:03:46,368 --> 02:03:50,907
period. The study area for that traffic study was only

1669
02:03:51,008 --> 02:03:55,276
the intersection of Toledo Arundel Hudson. There was no mention

1670
02:03:55,617 --> 02:03:58,956
of further down the line Hudson and Huron Balsamon and

1671
02:03:58,996 --> 02:04:01,916
Huron. That was completely left out. So it's very misleading

1672
02:04:02,017 --> 02:04:05,516
because obviously traffic just doesn't stop at that one intersection.

1673
02:04:05,556 --> 02:04:08,476
It doesn't mention anything about the need for sidewalks. It

1674
02:04:08,497 --> 02:04:12,396
only infers that there's a multi - use path, which

1675
02:04:12,396 --> 02:04:14,636
is what they're referring to was the act of living

1676
02:04:14,817 --> 02:04:18,636
corridor. And the active living corridor, as I've already stated,

1677
02:04:18,657 --> 02:04:22,156
is not year - round infrastructure. It cannot be considered

1678
02:04:22,977 --> 02:04:27,756
usable for pedestrians and cyclists outside of the summer months.

1679
02:04:27,756 --> 02:04:31,496
The flexi bollards that get put up along the, uh,

1680
02:04:31,697 --> 02:04:34,716
Arundolin Hudson were only installed June the 3rd of this

1681
02:04:34,756 --> 02:04:38,536
year. The rest of the time, you're walking at grade

1682
02:04:38,536 --> 02:04:42,056
level with traffic, travelling at 50K an hour or more,

1683
02:04:42,056 --> 02:04:46,348
because there's often speeding. And so it's just not, it,

1684
02:04:46,369 --> 02:04:49,788
the report, like I said, inferred that this was somehow

1685
02:04:50,209 --> 02:04:54,004
a multi - use trail that's available year round. It

1686
02:04:54,004 --> 02:04:59,904
is not. Um, there was concerns about the sewer, the

1687
02:04:59,904 --> 02:05:01,924
capacity, the main sewer capacity that I brought to the

1688
02:05:01,964 --> 02:05:05,684
attention of, uh, the City Planner. He did get back

1689
02:05:05,724 --> 02:05:08,724
to me. Uh, the sewer line at part of a

1690
02:05:08,724 --> 02:05:12,004
rundoll is much smaller than the 300 millimeter sewer pipe

1691
02:05:12,025 --> 02:05:15,044
that's required. We've had issues on the street. You've already

1692
02:05:15,084 --> 02:05:19,444
heard about that. And Stantec is now doing camera work

1693
02:05:19,625 --> 02:05:23,124
along to leado street, which if there isn't any issues,

1694
02:05:23,124 --> 02:05:27,604
according to Stantex report, there's no issues, enough capacity. The

1695
02:05:27,705 --> 02:05:30,084
sewer pipe is the right size. Why then is the

1696
02:05:30,124 --> 02:05:33,256
need to do camera work. Along Toledo at this point

1697
02:05:33,277 --> 02:05:35,816
in the game? All of this should have been done

1698
02:05:36,237 --> 02:05:38,296
ahead of time. And we need to make sure that

1699
02:05:38,336 --> 02:05:41,176
the infrastructure is in place. Because if we have to

1700
02:05:41,277 --> 02:05:44,776
build sidewalks, when I say we, the City, has to

1701
02:05:44,776 --> 02:05:47,556
build sidewalks. Have to replace that sewer. If there's any

1702
02:05:47,556 --> 02:05:50,216
issues, that's going to cost the taxpayer heck of a

1703
02:05:50,216 --> 02:05:54,428
lot of money. Thank you. Councillor China, please. Thank you

1704
02:05:54,468 --> 02:05:57,628
for your presentation tonight. I have said publicly, as we've

1705
02:05:57,668 --> 02:06:00,508
gone through this planning process for this particular property that

1706
02:06:00,548 --> 02:06:03,308
I really feel that it needs to be examined with

1707
02:06:03,348 --> 02:06:06,828
all the pieces that you've spoken about tonight, um, is

1708
02:06:06,828 --> 02:06:09,228
something that I'm going to be working with administration on.

1709
02:06:09,228 --> 02:06:12,028
And hopefully we can bring that, I'm looking at administration.

1710
02:06:12,028 --> 02:06:14,268
Hopefully we can bring that resolution forward at our next

1711
02:06:14,369 --> 02:06:16,988
Council meeting. Um, I mean, this is a great example

1712
02:06:17,009 --> 02:06:21,208
of how some communication pieces could definitely be improved. Um,

1713
02:06:21,208 --> 02:06:24,028
that's what I can see. And my question to you

1714
02:06:24,028 --> 02:06:25,948
would be, and I think it's important to have some

1715
02:06:25,969 --> 02:06:30,108
public input of people who have gone through this process.

1716
02:06:30,108 --> 02:06:32,188
I know I have in my own community, but my

1717
02:06:32,228 --> 02:06:34,268
own area of the city, but would you be interested

1718
02:06:34,449 --> 02:06:40,348
in, um, giving some input to administration and actually dissecting

1719
02:06:40,609 --> 02:06:43,428
the process so we can improve the process. Because I

1720
02:06:43,428 --> 02:06:47,868
think that's, that's necessary. Um, we, we, we did a

1721
02:06:47,889 --> 02:06:52,028
zoning about a month ago and had similar frustrations from

1722
02:06:52,049 --> 02:06:55,788
the community around that area. And I'm hearing the same

1723
02:06:56,049 --> 02:06:58,868
similar frustrations from, from the people in this area. So

1724
02:06:59,969 --> 02:07:03,468
people who know me know I'm processed and policy based.

1725
02:07:03,468 --> 02:07:05,468
And I'd really like to know if you'd be interested

1726
02:07:05,809 --> 02:07:09,708
in supporting that work. Oh, definitely. I'd always would be

1727
02:07:09,889 --> 02:07:12,268
willing to speak with the city and sit down and

1728
02:07:12,289 --> 02:07:15,764
provide some feedback. Thank you. And be part of that

1729
02:07:15,804 --> 02:07:19,751
process. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Oops.

1730
02:07:19,751 --> 02:07:23,271
Councillor Egger, well please. Thank you. Thank you through youth

1731
02:07:23,311 --> 02:07:29,104
speaker. Um. Ms. Stanteck? Is it? Santink. Dante, sir. Fan

1732
02:07:29,144 --> 02:07:33,344
pink. Okay, Santique, sorry. Can you, um, you mentioned you

1733
02:07:33,384 --> 02:07:39,024
did urban work in Calgary. Can you expand on your

1734
02:07:39,445 --> 02:07:43,744
professional designations in your history of what you have? Cause

1735
02:07:43,765 --> 02:07:47,104
your report was quite extensive and you had covered a

1736
02:07:47,104 --> 02:07:50,064
lot of different topics that were very prevalent to this,

1737
02:07:50,064 --> 02:07:53,104
um, this lot. Yes. And others. I don't hold myself

1738
02:07:53,205 --> 02:07:55,984
out to be an urban planner. However, in Calgary, they

1739
02:07:56,005 --> 02:07:58,944
have very large community associations with her funded by the

1740
02:07:59,125 --> 02:08:02,464
City. And on those community associations, they have a board

1741
02:08:02,464 --> 02:08:05,984
of directors. I was on the executive for the board,

1742
02:08:05,984 --> 02:08:09,344
well as the planning and development committee. And in that

1743
02:08:09,445 --> 02:08:14,723
capacity, we would actually receive a development applications. And we

1744
02:08:14,723 --> 02:08:18,543
would have an opportunity development applications for our community. And

1745
02:08:18,543 --> 02:08:22,803
we would have the opportunity to actually provide feedback. Look

1746
02:08:22,803 --> 02:08:26,403
at them. Reach out to residents and say, do you

1747
02:08:26,403 --> 02:08:29,123
have any concerns about them, right? So we looked at

1748
02:08:29,163 --> 02:08:33,043
everything from basement apartments, backyard suites to, I even dealt

1749
02:08:33,043 --> 02:08:39,203
with a large shopping mall complex that was being built.

1750
02:08:39,203 --> 02:08:42,243
So I also did a course with the City of

1751
02:08:42,824 --> 02:08:46,963
Calgary on urban planning and development. And I recognise that,

1752
02:08:46,963 --> 02:08:51,523
um, cities have different policies and the regulations provincially as

1753
02:08:51,523 --> 02:08:54,533
well. But I can apply what I learned there. To

1754
02:08:54,554 --> 02:08:57,093
what the city is doing here and the province as

1755
02:08:57,093 --> 02:09:02,047
well. Okay. Thank you so much. You're welcome. Thank you.

1756
02:09:02,087 --> 02:09:05,209
Any other questions. Or a good scene none. I ask

1757
02:09:05,209 --> 02:09:07,669
you to retire to the gallery. Thank you for your

1758
02:09:07,690 --> 02:09:11,909
deputation. Next on the list is Ben Date.

1759
02:09:24,184 --> 02:09:27,763
Very good. Thank you. Um, for your participation. Hopefully you've

1760
02:09:27,784 --> 02:09:30,403
heard my message of earlier to please not simply repeat

1761
02:09:31,624 --> 02:09:34,563
information or concerns already said. You have the microphone on

1762
02:09:34,744 --> 02:09:36,943
and you have, would you please introduce yourself? You have

1763
02:09:36,943 --> 02:09:40,083
10 minutes. Thank you. Good evening. Uh, my name is

1764
02:09:40,584 --> 02:09:43,523
Ben Date and I am a current river resident and

1765
02:09:43,563 --> 02:09:46,243
I would like to thank elected municipal representatives for the

1766
02:09:46,264 --> 02:09:50,243
opportunity for concerned citizens such as myself to voice our

1767
02:09:50,243 --> 02:09:55,360
perspectives regarding the proposed development for 791 Rundel Street. As

1768
02:09:55,400 --> 02:09:57,680
the City is likely now aware the proposed development has

1769
02:09:57,680 --> 02:10:00,825
been met with passionate resistance when with good reason. The

1770
02:10:01,006 --> 02:10:03,785
optic surrounding the project have been misleading and at times

1771
02:10:04,206 --> 02:10:07,592
downright untrue. I would like to address the rhetoric several

1772
02:10:07,773 --> 02:10:10,712
city representatives have been promoting round Thunder Bay's need for

1773
02:10:10,733 --> 02:10:14,552
affordable housing and its relevance to the proposed development at

1774
02:10:14,592 --> 02:10:19,352
791 Rundle. Affordable housing is needed within this community. There

1775
02:10:19,392 --> 02:10:22,072
are very few people who would dispute this fact. However,

1776
02:10:22,493 --> 02:10:25,192
the city is maintaining a narrative that is a classic

1777
02:10:25,213 --> 02:10:28,872
example of a red herring. The housing crisis and Thunder

1778
02:10:29,133 --> 02:10:32,312
Bay's need to increase housing supply have repeatedly been used

1779
02:10:32,333 --> 02:10:36,712
to justify opening public park lands such as 791 Rundle

1780
02:10:36,733 --> 02:10:39,760
to residential development. The problem is that these are two

1781
02:10:39,760 --> 02:10:43,040
separate questions, whether Thunder Bay needs more housing and whether

1782
02:10:43,080 --> 02:10:46,640
that need requires developing on this particular green space. This

1783
02:10:46,661 --> 02:10:50,060
is a misleading conflation of two very different issues. The

1784
02:10:50,101 --> 02:10:53,760
property of 791 Arundel covers a total of 7. 82

1785
02:10:53,781 --> 02:10:56,160
acres of land. This is by no means the only

1786
02:10:56,261 --> 02:10:59,680
location to build housing. The City's own housing land needs

1787
02:10:59,720 --> 02:11:05,120
study identified capacity for 19, 803 housing units on vacant

1788
02:11:05,381 --> 02:11:09,840
underutilized land already zoned for development. Even under the highest

1789
02:11:10,021 --> 02:11:14,400
growth projected, Thunder Bay only needs 8, 825 additional units

1790
02:11:14,501 --> 02:11:18,720
through 2045. That is a capacity for nearly 11, 000

1791
02:11:18,760 --> 02:11:21,740
more units than the City projected we will need. And

1792
02:11:21,740 --> 02:11:26,508
this is without developing on 791 a rundell. It is

1793
02:11:26,548 --> 02:11:29,788
important to note that 791 Rundle was not factored into

1794
02:11:29,809 --> 02:11:33,388
the study findings. Additionally, the City is currently investing in

1795
02:11:33,409 --> 02:11:37,548
infrastructure at the central avenue Development Lands intended to enable

1796
02:11:37,969 --> 02:11:43,308
approximately 1, 260 housing units. The central avenue Development Lands

1797
02:11:43,329 --> 02:11:47,548
offers a viable space to build and it is geocaries,

1798
02:11:47,548 --> 02:11:49,388
but I like to ask you to stay on topic.

1799
02:11:49,388 --> 02:11:53,148
We're dealing with the Arundel and zoning rezoning over Rundell.

1800
02:11:53,148 --> 02:11:56,908
Thank you. Sure. Uh, the narrative that Thunder Bay can

1801
02:11:56,929 --> 02:11:59,948
either preserve our green space or develop housing is simply

1802
02:11:59,988 --> 02:12:03,788
not true. The concentrated effort to surplus and build specifically

1803
02:12:03,809 --> 02:12:07,868
on 791 a rundell is particularly concerning when coupled with

1804
02:12:07,908 --> 02:12:11,708
the cities portrayal of Public Support. The opportunity site survey

1805
02:12:12,609 --> 02:12:17,708
received merely 142 responses. And of those respondents, 84 supported

1806
02:12:17,809 --> 02:12:21,708
residential development on vaguely defined infil sites with no indication

1807
02:12:21,748 --> 02:12:25,468
that infil could mean Parkland or Greenspace. The city turned

1808
02:12:25,489 --> 02:12:29,788
those 84 responses into a percentage to portray 59 percent

1809
02:12:30,049 --> 02:12:34,828
in support of developing on 791 rundown. However, those 142

1810
02:12:34,929 --> 02:12:40,508
respondents combined represent only 0. 13 percent of Thunderbase population.

1811
02:12:41,393 --> 02:12:45,772
Additionally there were merely 52 comments related specifically to a

1812
02:12:45,812 --> 02:12:49,132
Rundle and only 8 of those comments expressed support for

1813
02:12:49,313 --> 02:12:53,852
increased housing development at that location. Despite this, administration concluded

1814
02:12:53,873 --> 02:12:56,652
there was general public support for developing those sites for

1815
02:12:56,673 --> 02:13:01,212
housing. Eight supportive comments about developing on 791 a rundell

1816
02:13:01,313 --> 02:13:05,852
in a City of 108, 843 people is not general

1817
02:13:05,873 --> 02:13:09,132
public support and support for infill is not consent to

1818
02:13:09,132 --> 02:13:12,252
build on Parkland. This is particularly troubling given that City

1819
02:13:12,593 --> 02:13:17,532
Administration itself identified 791 a rundell as the most politically

1820
02:13:18,193 --> 02:13:22,652
and neighbourhood sensitive of the identified opportunity sites. The City

1821
02:13:22,673 --> 02:13:25,372
knew this parcel of land was contentious. That makes the

1822
02:13:25,372 --> 02:13:28,972
decision to characterize such limited consultation as general public support

1823
02:13:29,393 --> 02:13:32,968
even harder to justify. As a reminder, the proposed development

1824
02:13:33,008 --> 02:13:36,568
is not housing design for people experiencing homelessness or severe

1825
02:13:36,608 --> 02:13:40,288
housing insecurity. Yet the housing and affordability crisis continues to

1826
02:13:40,288 --> 02:13:43,928
be invoked in defence of developing this parkland. That is

1827
02:13:43,968 --> 02:13:47,065
a red herring. Thunder Bay needs all types of housing,

1828
02:13:47,065 --> 02:13:49,945
but that does not establish a need to rezone the

1829
02:13:50,126 --> 02:13:56,300
Arundel Parkland for predominantly market rent development. Virtually everyone I

1830
02:13:56,300 --> 02:13:58,700
have met who has become aware of this proposed development

1831
02:13:58,721 --> 02:14:01,420
is in opposition to it. The mayor and members of

1832
02:14:01,601 --> 02:14:04,460
City Council are elected to represent the people of Thunder

1833
02:14:04,481 --> 02:14:07,500
Bay and our entrusted to safeguard the interests of the

1834
02:14:07,540 --> 02:14:12,140
community they serve. 791 Arunde holds intrinsic value, both in

1835
02:14:12,140 --> 02:14:14,780
terms of natural biodiversity and is a place of natural

1836
02:14:14,961 --> 02:14:18,060
and therapeutic recreation. When I first moved to this city

1837
02:14:18,161 --> 02:14:20,300
several years ago, I was shocked to see the amount

1838
02:14:20,340 --> 02:14:25,240
of visible crime, addiction, homelessness, and dilapidation of infrastructure. The

1839
02:14:25,240 --> 02:14:29,020
silver lining of this community has been access to nature.

1840
02:14:29,020 --> 02:14:31,300
One of the fundamental pillars of the social determinants of

1841
02:14:31,300 --> 02:14:35,100
health, his neighbourhood and physical environment. This includes safe and

1842
02:14:35,201 --> 02:14:39,420
affordable housing, but it also includes access to recreational opportunities

1843
02:14:39,681 --> 02:14:43,660
and green spaces. Green spaces, parks, and walking trails fall

1844
02:14:43,761 --> 02:14:46,700
directly under the physical environment umbrella and are believed to

1845
02:14:46,740 --> 02:14:49,420
have a direct impact on the overall well - being

1846
02:14:49,420 --> 02:14:53,660
of community members. Boulevard Lake and the Connecting a Rundell

1847
02:14:53,660 --> 02:14:58,140
Green Space provides a particularly accessible form of recreation, maintain

1848
02:14:58,180 --> 02:15:00,460
trails and pathways in a natural setting that can be

1849
02:15:00,460 --> 02:15:04,460
used by children, seniors, families, walkers, runners, cyclists, and people

1850
02:15:04,481 --> 02:15:07,702
with varying levels of mobility. It allows people to experience

1851
02:15:07,883 --> 02:15:11,862
nature without requiring them to navigate difficult terrain and that

1852
02:15:11,902 --> 02:15:14,102
accessibility is part of the value it has in this

1853
02:15:14,142 --> 02:15:18,102
community. Access to natural environment also provides opportunities for physical

1854
02:15:18,363 --> 02:15:22,662
activity, social connection, stress reduction, and improve mental well -

1855
02:15:22,662 --> 02:15:26,022
being, all of which contribute to healthier individuals and subsequently

1856
02:15:26,123 --> 02:15:30,662
healthier communities. The 791 A Rundell Parkland is valued by

1857
02:15:30,683 --> 02:15:36,189
many residents of Thunder Bay. As mentioned, Walkers, runners, cyclists,

1858
02:15:36,229 --> 02:15:40,429
people of all ages and mobility abilities are all regulars

1859
02:15:40,469 --> 02:15:43,549
around Boulevard Lake and the connecting trails to the Arundel

1860
02:15:43,589 --> 02:15:47,149
Parkland, paving over this green space to build predominantly market

1861
02:15:47,330 --> 02:15:50,029
rate housing does not benefit anyone other than those seeking

1862
02:15:50,050 --> 02:15:53,949
to make a greater profit margin. In conclusion, the Arundel

1863
02:15:53,949 --> 02:15:57,229
Parkland is not an appropriate location to build. The consistent

1864
02:15:57,250 --> 02:16:00,029
use of Thunder - based housing and affordability crisis to

1865
02:16:00,069 --> 02:16:02,509
justify the development of this green space is not just

1866
02:16:02,530 --> 02:16:05,789
misleading. It is the Red Herring. The existence of a

1867
02:16:05,829 --> 02:16:09,949
housing crisis established the existence of a housing crisis establishes

1868
02:16:09,970 --> 02:16:13,469
the need for housing, but does not establish the necessity

1869
02:16:13,509 --> 02:16:17,789
of building these market rate apartments on the Arundel Greenspace.

1870
02:16:17,789 --> 02:16:20,189
Other locations that would have far less of an impact

1871
02:16:20,210 --> 02:16:24,669
on biodiversity and recreational opportunities have been identified by the

1872
02:16:24,690 --> 02:16:27,549
City and the need for housing remains a compatible goal

1873
02:16:27,970 --> 02:16:32,109
alongside protecting city parks and green spaces. I believe the

1874
02:16:32,109 --> 02:16:34,589
City New Public approval of such a development would be

1875
02:16:34,629 --> 02:16:38,909
incredibly low, hence the misleading public attitude survey. The Red

1876
02:16:38,930 --> 02:16:41,789
Herring being presented in tandem with the concentrated effort to

1877
02:16:41,890 --> 02:16:45,709
specifically build on the Arundel Parkland is alarming and has

1878
02:16:45,730 --> 02:16:49,399
shaken my confidence with elected representatives of the City. I

1879
02:16:49,399 --> 02:16:52,759
have yet to hear a single logical persuasive or reasonable

1880
02:16:52,780 --> 02:16:56,919
argument as for why this development ought to occur specifically

1881
02:16:56,959 --> 02:17:01,479
on the Arundel Parkland. I have only seen rhetoric of

1882
02:17:01,479 --> 02:17:06,919
the housing crisis being used to justify this particular development.

1883
02:17:06,919 --> 02:17:09,479
And there is a lot of concern about green in

1884
02:17:09,479 --> 02:17:12,199
this debate, but I'm not convinced green space is the

1885
02:17:12,380 --> 02:17:16,279
green everyone is thinking about. I would encourage elected representatives

1886
02:17:16,460 --> 02:17:20,039
to listen to what their voters are passionately expressing. My

1887
02:17:20,060 --> 02:17:23,879
vision is simple. Vote no to rezoning the Urandal Parkland

1888
02:17:24,460 --> 02:17:27,879
preserve Thunder Bay's green spaces and build the housing we

1889
02:17:27,900 --> 02:17:31,479
need with the substantial development capacity the City has already

1890
02:17:31,820 --> 02:17:36,360
identified. Everyone can win. Thank you for your time, consideration

1891
02:17:36,621 --> 02:17:40,120
and patience. I appreciate municipal efforts to better this community

1892
02:17:40,301 --> 02:17:43,160
which I call home. If you are still in favor

1893
02:17:43,181 --> 02:17:47,160
of developing 791 a rundell, I would strongly encourage you

1894
02:17:47,200 --> 02:17:50,280
to reconsider or at the very least provide a counter

1895
02:17:50,320 --> 02:17:54,360
argument grounded in facts, reason, and logic, not the misleading

1896
02:17:54,381 --> 02:17:58,440
suggestion that by acknowledging Thunder Bay's need for housing, somehow

1897
02:17:58,541 --> 02:18:01,880
answers the question as to why the Arundel Parkland must

1898
02:18:01,920 --> 02:18:08,940
be developed. Thank you. Thank you. Any questions. See none,

1899
02:18:08,940 --> 02:18:10,700
thank you for your deputation. I'll ask you retire to

1900
02:18:10,721 --> 02:18:15,900
the gallery. Next on the list, and I do apologise.

1901
02:18:15,900 --> 02:18:20,530
Um, it's a difficult handwriting. First name is Malcolm. Last

1902
02:18:20,530 --> 02:18:30,521
name, possibly might be ruggerson. Apologies. Rogerson. Thank you again.

1903
02:18:30,521 --> 02:18:36,121
And I, uh, remind Deputance to hopefully speak to new

1904
02:18:36,161 --> 02:18:39,481
information or concerns. Um, you have the Mike on. Please

1905
02:18:39,502 --> 02:18:41,481
introduce yourself and you have 10 minutes when you start.

1906
02:18:42,814 --> 02:18:46,073
My name is Malcolm Rogerson. Um, previously in a former

1907
02:18:46,073 --> 02:18:48,473
career, I sat on the Planning Board for the Municipality

1908
02:18:48,513 --> 02:18:52,551
of Tanchipa Terris Bay for 10 years. Um, I'm not

1909
02:18:52,732 --> 02:18:54,711
going to repeat any of the Planning stuff that's been

1910
02:18:54,892 --> 02:19:00,124
spoken of, but I will talk about trust. Because the

1911
02:19:00,124 --> 02:19:05,407
Administration, City Council, and the mayor have been entrusted. With

1912
02:19:05,508 --> 02:19:09,247
the management and protection and development of the City of

1913
02:19:09,247 --> 02:19:14,767
Thunder Bay. If you vote for rezoning this Parkland, you're

1914
02:19:14,807 --> 02:19:17,376
in breach of that trust. And I will hold you

1915
02:19:17,477 --> 02:19:20,547
accountable for that breach of that trust. In fact, what

1916
02:19:20,568 --> 02:19:24,947
I would do is, uh, I would bring on a

1917
02:19:25,048 --> 02:19:29,612
Bill of Rights and Charter Challenge legally against you. For

1918
02:19:29,612 --> 02:19:35,212
the following reasons, that breach of trust violates and deprives

1919
02:19:35,252 --> 02:19:38,572
the life, liberty, and security of the person, except in

1920
02:19:38,572 --> 02:19:44,594
accordance with fundamental justice. So thereby you breaching your trust

1921
02:19:44,775 --> 02:19:49,634
to your community, you are depriving your community of that

1922
02:19:49,895 --> 02:19:53,730
life, liberty, and use of that Parkland. So that would

1923
02:19:53,730 --> 02:19:57,000
be the first step. So I'm placing you on notice

1924
02:19:57,341 --> 02:20:02,500
that if you do vote for rezoning this, that, um,

1925
02:20:03,101 --> 02:20:06,840
the sovereign legal fund will partner with the Justice Centre

1926
02:20:06,840 --> 02:20:09,880
of Constitutional Freedoms. And we will present a charter challenge.

1927
02:20:10,492 --> 02:20:14,810
And that's my presentation. We're being very much speaker. Councillor

1928
02:20:14,831 --> 02:20:19,955
Trenny. Uh, we're being threatened. Well, given order. Yeah. Thank

1929
02:20:19,955 --> 02:20:25,075
you. Um, Mr. Rogerson, has finished his deputation. Um, I'll

1930
02:20:25,115 --> 02:20:28,195
leave it at that. Is there any questions that we

1931
02:20:28,235 --> 02:20:33,548
have. Thank you, Mr. Rogerson, for your deputation. I'll ask

1932
02:20:33,588 --> 02:20:38,091
you retire to the gallery. Working down my list, I

1933
02:20:38,091 --> 02:20:46,684
have Norman Sponsha. And again, to the

1934
02:20:47,025 --> 02:20:52,364
deputy, please consider bringing forward new information. Also ask that

1935
02:20:52,385 --> 02:20:57,164
you stay within order and have parliamentary conversations or dialogue,

1936
02:20:57,164 --> 02:20:59,644
please, and thank you. Please grab a seat. You have

1937
02:21:00,225 --> 02:21:03,084
the mic on and introduce yourself. You have 10 minutes.

1938
02:21:04,507 --> 02:21:11,411
Mayor Boschkoff. And esteemed councillors. I have great respect for

1939
02:21:11,432 --> 02:21:14,451
all of you here, and I will not disrespect any

1940
02:21:14,491 --> 02:21:17,491
of you. I believe your vote each one of you

1941
02:21:17,832 --> 02:21:21,951
your votes represent so many people. In Thunder Bay. And

1942
02:21:21,951 --> 02:21:24,214
for that, I respect you even more. You were voted

1943
02:21:24,395 --> 02:21:28,627
in to do the job of the people. Um, I

1944
02:21:28,667 --> 02:21:33,500
just want to say, uh. I just caught, I'm a

1945
02:21:33,540 --> 02:21:38,140
retired businessman at Thunder Bay and I'm a local artist.

1946
02:21:38,140 --> 02:21:39,980
I'm a singer - songwriter and a painter. I just

1947
02:21:40,020 --> 02:21:43,620
got back from the Red Rock Folk Festival. I don't

1948
02:21:43,620 --> 02:21:45,340
want to get off subject, but I would just like

1949
02:21:45,361 --> 02:21:48,780
to say we should be very proud of the artists

1950
02:21:48,780 --> 02:21:52,940
that played there this weekend. They stood up against all

1951
02:21:52,961 --> 02:21:58,520
the national and more professional players toe to toe. And

1952
02:21:58,520 --> 02:22:00,700
it was just so proud to see. I know Ken

1953
02:22:00,740 --> 02:22:03,100
that you, I mean, Mayor, you would appreciate what I'm

1954
02:22:03,100 --> 02:22:10,644
saying. Uh, very much. Um, now Haven said that one

1955
02:22:10,665 --> 02:22:15,844
of the things I do believe is that sometimes as

1956
02:22:15,844 --> 02:22:20,324
I've heard them, uh, the concerns being referred to as

1957
02:22:21,225 --> 02:22:27,558
NIMBY, not in my neighbourhood. Or backyard. But this space

1958
02:22:29,259 --> 02:22:33,638
is definitely a Thunder Bay space. I've lived there now

1959
02:22:33,659 --> 02:22:36,518
for 14 or 15 years. I've seen how much it's

1960
02:22:36,518 --> 02:22:41,698
been used by all this, uh, this community. And, um.

1961
02:22:44,178 --> 02:22:48,877
With that in mind, I believe that this particular place

1962
02:22:49,378 --> 02:22:53,677
with a largest development ever done. I believe that there

1963
02:22:53,717 --> 02:22:56,317
should have been a referendum to the people of Thunder

1964
02:22:56,578 --> 02:23:01,997
Bay to get their view of this historic place relevant

1965
02:23:01,997 --> 02:23:06,077
to this historic development. Um, I'm sorry that that hasn't

1966
02:23:06,117 --> 02:23:08,877
been done. I'm hoping perhaps in some way in the

1967
02:23:08,917 --> 02:23:11,997
future on the subject that it can be done and

1968
02:23:11,997 --> 02:23:15,677
let the people speak, um, it's kind of horrible to

1969
02:23:15,677 --> 02:23:24,762
throw away that kind of legacy. I'm not against

1970
02:23:25,983 --> 02:23:30,842
the development of housing. I have listened to some of

1971
02:23:30,842 --> 02:23:37,235
the councillors and I am 100 percent with you. These

1972
02:23:37,256 --> 02:23:40,915
developments need, we need housing. My question always is what

1973
02:23:40,955 --> 02:23:43,475
these people who have come before me have said so

1974
02:23:43,515 --> 02:23:49,715
eloquently, um, that development of community is in the health

1975
02:23:49,715 --> 02:23:56,063
of a community has. Parameters that are important. Getting rid

1976
02:23:56,084 --> 02:24:00,303
of things that bring health to a community like a

1977
02:24:00,343 --> 02:24:03,503
green space is a big thing to lose. And it's

1978
02:24:03,503 --> 02:24:08,136
a big thing to lose to this whole town. So

1979
02:24:08,637 --> 02:24:10,376
I'm, I'm not here to say that we shouldn't be

1980
02:24:10,416 --> 02:24:13,576
doing development. I think we should be doing as much

1981
02:24:13,837 --> 02:24:16,776
development that is needed. We should be using the grant

1982
02:24:16,816 --> 02:24:20,776
money that has been afforded through our tax dollars for

1983
02:24:20,776 --> 02:24:24,136
the City. And I think what we need is to

1984
02:24:24,176 --> 02:24:28,499
put development where it does the most good. Not where

1985
02:24:28,539 --> 02:24:32,279
it hurts. I see no reason to put it in

1986
02:24:32,319 --> 02:24:34,806
a green space. The second thing I would like to

1987
02:24:34,827 --> 02:24:43,206
say, um, Councillor, you thought that you were being threatened.

1988
02:24:43,246 --> 02:24:46,566
I was going to mention that, um, I've done some

1989
02:24:46,587 --> 02:24:51,766
research about, um, lawyer associations that are, that are specifically,

1990
02:24:51,766 --> 02:24:57,926
um, will do for free fight for, uh, ecosensitive spaces

1991
02:24:57,966 --> 02:25:01,926
that are being, uh, presented with development, um, and I

1992
02:25:01,926 --> 02:25:06,246
believe that, uh, that is the way to go. And,

1993
02:25:06,246 --> 02:25:10,246
uh, I would suggest to the, to use, do the

1994
02:25:10,246 --> 02:25:16,326
developer a favor and not tie them up with litigation.

1995
02:25:16,326 --> 02:25:20,486
Let them build their, their, the developments that we need.

1996
02:25:20,486 --> 02:25:22,806
Why put them in a place where there's a long

1997
02:25:22,987 --> 02:25:27,366
timeline holding up their developments. Um, that's not a threat.

1998
02:25:27,366 --> 02:25:28,726
I'm just saying that that's a, that's a thing that

1999
02:25:28,766 --> 02:25:34,646
I think, um, is inevitable. There's too much. When there's

2000
02:25:34,987 --> 02:25:38,566
2, 600 and some on people signing a petition in

2001
02:25:38,606 --> 02:25:41,446
less than two weeks, that hour means to me that

2002
02:25:41,947 --> 02:25:47,126
there's many, many, many more. This is an election issue.

2003
02:25:48,068 --> 02:25:51,567
This will be an election issue. We ask you to

2004
02:25:51,828 --> 02:25:55,967
consider that, that the people of, like I say, 2,

2005
02:25:55,967 --> 02:25:58,887
600 people signing in two and a half weeks, we

2006
02:25:58,887 --> 02:26:03,097
know that there's many, many more. Um, haven't said that.

2007
02:26:06,907 --> 02:26:08,886
The one of the things that I was wondering about

2008
02:26:09,307 --> 02:26:14,111
is. Schools. Has there been no conversation here so far

2009
02:26:14,132 --> 02:26:17,551
about what that will do, uh, for the schools in

2010
02:26:17,551 --> 02:26:20,751
the area. One of the things I do know about,

2011
02:26:20,751 --> 02:26:24,511
uh, the boards of education is one of the biggest

2012
02:26:24,692 --> 02:26:27,071
bills and the toughest things to deal with because they

2013
02:26:27,092 --> 02:26:30,231
have to pay for busing, um, and they have to

2014
02:26:30,231 --> 02:26:36,271
make very difficult decisions to eliminate, um, programs. But because

2015
02:26:36,271 --> 02:26:40,991
of the budget, uh, because of the expense of buzzing,

2016
02:26:40,991 --> 02:26:45,311
I'm concerned about what that will add, um, to that

2017
02:26:45,332 --> 02:26:49,951
budget of busing from this location to the high schools,

2018
02:26:49,951 --> 02:26:54,581
to the Public Schools, to the Catholic schools. So that's

2019
02:26:54,621 --> 02:26:56,501
a concern of mine, whether it's been looked at or

2020
02:26:56,501 --> 02:26:58,461
not. You know, these are things that are going to

2021
02:26:58,682 --> 02:27:03,381
cost us in our education system, perhaps. Um, I just

2022
02:27:03,482 --> 02:27:05,701
haven't heard anybody talk about it. I might, I might

2023
02:27:05,701 --> 02:27:08,901
be wrong about this, but I know that busing is

2024
02:27:08,941 --> 02:27:12,501
a really big budget issue for the boards of education.

2025
02:27:12,501 --> 02:27:16,657
So I'm concerned about that. Um, the other thing that

2026
02:27:17,638 --> 02:27:21,297
I ask you is you've all voted so wonderfully and

2027
02:27:21,297 --> 02:27:24,977
you've done such great work in developing the port Arthur

2028
02:27:25,017 --> 02:27:28,637
downtown. If you don't mind me saying that in the

2029
02:27:28,637 --> 02:27:31,577
South side of Fort William where I grew up, we

2030
02:27:31,577 --> 02:27:36,337
spent so much money in the reincarnation of our gun

2031
02:27:36,337 --> 02:27:39,057
spent so much money on the reincarnation of both those

2032
02:27:39,318 --> 02:27:44,257
downtowns, especially the south side. I'd ask that you remain

2033
02:27:44,297 --> 02:27:48,584
on topic with 791 a rundo, please. Thank you. Um,

2034
02:27:49,085 --> 02:27:51,304
it is. And what I'm saying is that instead of

2035
02:27:51,645 --> 02:27:55,704
on a rundoll, um, sir, thank you that we put

2036
02:27:55,744 --> 02:27:58,824
our, we've already put our money in other areas to

2037
02:27:58,845 --> 02:28:04,184
develop down cores millions of dollars. Let's now support those

2038
02:28:04,845 --> 02:28:10,084
with residential development that will support those downtown cores. Um,

2039
02:28:10,084 --> 02:28:12,344
I feel that that's a very important thing to do

2040
02:28:12,365 --> 02:28:15,284
when we've already spent so much money developing them. Um,

2041
02:28:16,445 --> 02:28:19,784
it will help, you know, very much. Look how much

2042
02:28:19,824 --> 02:28:23,544
it's helped. The Algoma Bay Street area with all the,

2043
02:28:23,544 --> 02:28:28,504
uh, the, the development residential, the Development there. It's a

2044
02:28:28,544 --> 02:28:33,181
perfect example. Uh, other than that.

2045
02:28:39,906 --> 02:28:42,605
I was all due respect my last thing that I

2046
02:28:42,645 --> 02:28:49,937
will say is this is a huge decision. We've all

2047
02:28:49,937 --> 02:28:53,857
indicated, and everyone's indicated how important that space is and

2048
02:28:53,878 --> 02:28:59,251
how big this development is, both of them historical. I

2049
02:28:59,251 --> 02:29:03,657
don't mean to call you lame. Council, but that's what

2050
02:29:03,678 --> 02:29:07,025
they call at this point of the game. And I

2051
02:29:07,025 --> 02:29:08,945
think this is just too big of an issue to

2052
02:29:08,966 --> 02:29:13,537
be. Voted on, actually, at this point of the game.

2053
02:29:13,537 --> 02:29:17,057
When some of you won't be here, um, and I

2054
02:29:17,097 --> 02:29:21,907
ask that it be. I just felt that it would

2055
02:29:21,907 --> 02:29:24,847
be better if we waited to make that decision. But

2056
02:29:24,847 --> 02:29:29,747
if we're not, I with all respect, ask you to

2057
02:29:29,747 --> 02:29:32,947
please consider from your heart, where it's coming from me

2058
02:29:34,488 --> 02:29:36,867
and with no disrespect, I ask you to think about

2059
02:29:36,968 --> 02:29:40,906
this again. Give it a chance in your heart and

2060
02:29:40,906 --> 02:29:46,458
your head what makes sense to you. Um, developing a

2061
02:29:46,479 --> 02:29:49,578
city is not just about building, developing a city is

2062
02:29:49,599 --> 02:29:53,018
about building a healthy city. And, uh, putting things in

2063
02:29:53,018 --> 02:29:57,498
the right place, supporting, uh, downtown cores like we have

2064
02:29:57,538 --> 02:30:00,298
developed. And I will end with that. And I thank

2065
02:30:00,298 --> 02:30:02,538
you so much for the opportunity to speak about this.

2066
02:30:03,740 --> 02:30:08,945
Thank you. Any questions. Councillor Trenny. Thank you through the

2067
02:30:08,945 --> 02:30:12,065
speaker. I thank you for your presentation today. And you

2068
02:30:12,065 --> 02:30:13,745
are right. We're putting a lot of money into our

2069
02:30:13,766 --> 02:30:16,945
downtown cores. One of the properties actually is in the

2070
02:30:16,985 --> 02:30:19,185
downtown core, but that's not the one we're discussing this

2071
02:30:19,185 --> 02:30:22,865
evening. Um, we, you were talking about schools. And I

2072
02:30:22,865 --> 02:30:24,785
think many of us are very familiar with where the

2073
02:30:24,825 --> 02:30:27,345
schools lying within our community, but when we talk about

2074
02:30:27,366 --> 02:30:30,065
the downtown cores, that's where we don't see the schools.

2075
02:30:30,065 --> 02:30:32,705
We don't see the high schools there. And so there'll

2076
02:30:32,705 --> 02:30:34,625
be a busing issue. Did you think about that when

2077
02:30:34,726 --> 02:30:37,905
you were talking about pushing this development into the course.

2078
02:30:39,472 --> 02:30:45,765
Um. That's a really good point. And I stand, let

2079
02:30:45,765 --> 02:30:48,745
me think about that, that makes sense. But may I

2080
02:30:48,785 --> 02:30:52,312
put back to you. One, they're both wrong then, aren't

2081
02:30:52,352 --> 02:30:55,899
they? So what can I say about that? I don't

2082
02:30:56,080 --> 02:30:58,139
want to debate. I went to Lakeview and I lived

2083
02:30:58,139 --> 02:31:00,699
at the top of Curt River. So I managed to

2084
02:31:00,739 --> 02:31:02,379
make it to Lakeview, no problem. And I think this

2085
02:31:02,419 --> 02:31:04,379
is probably close to this. Remember the days when we

2086
02:31:04,419 --> 02:31:07,419
used to walk. Yeah. Yes. And bus. But that's not

2087
02:31:07,520 --> 02:31:09,819
the, that's not the issue now because there are rules

2088
02:31:09,920 --> 02:31:12,619
and regulations about how far a student should be before

2089
02:31:12,640 --> 02:31:15,019
they get on a bus, as you know. Yes. Yes.

2090
02:31:15,040 --> 02:31:18,139
Yeah. But you brought up a good point. Or order,

2091
02:31:18,139 --> 02:31:20,699
please. Councillor Trede? Yeah. The other difficult part of the

2092
02:31:20,720 --> 02:31:24,779
downtown cores is that the developers will want, will need

2093
02:31:24,779 --> 02:31:27,899
to want to build there. So the process that was

2094
02:31:27,939 --> 02:31:30,539
done, um, if I can speak to the process a

2095
02:31:30,539 --> 02:31:34,139
little bit, 10 pieces of property were offered to the

2096
02:31:34,179 --> 02:31:37,579
developers. Um, to ask them where they would want to

2097
02:31:37,760 --> 02:31:41,179
build. So, you know, there has to be an interest.

2098
02:31:41,179 --> 02:31:42,979
There needs to be a size. There's a bunch of

2099
02:31:42,979 --> 02:31:45,239
other pieces that I'll ask. I think it was, uh,

2100
02:31:45,520 --> 02:31:47,659
Ivan who asked that question. I'll ask a little later

2101
02:31:47,680 --> 02:31:50,299
on when we get a chance to ask questions of

2102
02:31:50,339 --> 02:31:53,579
admin. But we need to recognise that. And so that

2103
02:31:53,619 --> 02:31:56,539
was, that's why the approach was changed. The lists were

2104
02:31:56,560 --> 02:31:59,419
thrown out. And administration did that and then came to

2105
02:31:59,419 --> 02:32:03,499
us with the Councillor Chinese. Do you have a question?

2106
02:32:03,600 --> 02:32:06,379
No. So my, my question is the difficulty of building

2107
02:32:06,400 --> 02:32:09,579
in the cores, we can only build with the developers

2108
02:32:09,600 --> 02:32:13,812
are interested in building. That. Well, that's a very, that's

2109
02:32:13,812 --> 02:32:17,012
a Councillor Chatty. Maybe you want to reiterate that question.

2110
02:32:17,012 --> 02:32:19,732
Yeah. I was just argued up to 791 a rundo,

2111
02:32:19,732 --> 02:32:26,111
please. Yeah. Yes. So the developer chose this piece of

2112
02:32:26,111 --> 02:32:28,191
property with all the developers at the table to make

2113
02:32:28,212 --> 02:32:32,251
the choices, which again, administration will get into later. But

2114
02:32:32,251 --> 02:32:35,597
that's part of the reason why this was chosen. The

2115
02:32:35,597 --> 02:32:38,877
downtown South Corps, there was no interest. It will accept

2116
02:32:38,917 --> 02:32:42,357
for one piece of property. So we can only, do

2117
02:32:42,357 --> 02:32:46,157
you understand that developers won't build where they don't want

2118
02:32:46,157 --> 02:32:51,912
to build. I think developers will build where the money

2119
02:32:51,912 --> 02:32:56,090
to be made. And Developers have to build. And I

2120
02:32:56,090 --> 02:32:59,530
think that I'll go 50 - 50. I think the

2121
02:32:59,711 --> 02:33:02,970
City and the people that you represent should be 50

2122
02:33:03,010 --> 02:33:06,730
percent of that decision. And the other part can be

2123
02:33:06,770 --> 02:33:10,970
the developers. But developers will, you know, why give them

2124
02:33:11,010 --> 02:33:13,690
all the cherry places, the concern I have, the police

2125
02:33:13,730 --> 02:33:16,890
cherry places. Is nobody want, everybody will want to live

2126
02:33:16,930 --> 02:33:19,290
in the cherry places, which will push up the prices

2127
02:33:19,330 --> 02:33:22,250
of those and what follows from that. Is those places

2128
02:33:22,431 --> 02:33:25,370
become very expensive and what follows is the rest of

2129
02:33:25,410 --> 02:33:28,090
the market. It's not going to do the opposite where

2130
02:33:28,130 --> 02:33:31,450
it's going to push prices down. What it will do

2131
02:33:31,490 --> 02:33:34,570
is getaways more areas. That's what we'll do in my

2132
02:33:34,610 --> 02:33:37,895
humble opinion. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you

2133
02:33:37,895 --> 02:33:43,085
for that. Thank you. See no other questions. Oscar retired

2134
02:33:43,085 --> 02:33:47,311
to the gallery, please. Next up on the list is

2135
02:33:47,332 --> 02:33:52,723
Dr. Willow. Kerthoy. I apologise if I have that mispronounced.

2136
02:33:58,394 --> 02:34:01,653
I see the mic is on. And again, I ask,

2137
02:34:01,653 --> 02:34:05,333
you bring forward new information or concerns, uh, please introduce

2138
02:34:05,354 --> 02:34:10,715
yourself and you have 10 minutes. Thank you, Speaker. And

2139
02:34:10,755 --> 02:34:17,006
thank you, honourable. Mayor Boschkoff and members. Of Council. For

2140
02:34:17,107 --> 02:34:22,365
this opportunity to speak. My name is Dr. Willow Kerthois.

2141
02:34:22,365 --> 02:34:26,205
I hold a PhD in land conservation with 28 years

2142
02:34:26,706 --> 02:34:32,285
experience as a researcher and faculty member at Lakehead University.

2143
02:34:32,285 --> 02:34:37,612
Previously, I worked for the Municipality of Lethbridge. But more

2144
02:34:37,652 --> 02:34:41,692
importantly, I'm a grandmother of three children and I speak

2145
02:34:41,732 --> 02:34:51,505
on their behalf this evening. I asked my nine -

2146
02:34:51,505 --> 02:34:57,117
year - old. Granddaughter Rose. What message to put on

2147
02:34:57,157 --> 02:35:02,317
the rally sign without any hesitation at all? She said

2148
02:35:02,898 --> 02:35:10,378
nature is our future. Nature is our future. Every single

2149
02:35:10,799 --> 02:35:14,553
land use decision. Shapes the kind of future our children

2150
02:35:14,974 --> 02:35:20,419
and grandchildren will inherit. Every land use decision, even for

2151
02:35:20,459 --> 02:35:25,539
a mere 3. 2 hectar parcel determines whether Thunder Bay

2152
02:35:25,539 --> 02:35:30,099
will achieve its stated vision for environmental stewardship and smart

2153
02:35:30,120 --> 02:35:36,991
growth. Or fails. Peace by peace by peace. Nietzsche is

2154
02:35:36,991 --> 02:35:44,773
either recognised as valuable. Or it's discarded. Growing up in

2155
02:35:44,794 --> 02:35:49,379
a large city. I lived the painful experience of witnessing

2156
02:35:49,560 --> 02:35:54,972
urban nature slowly disappear. The City became ever more noisy

2157
02:35:55,393 --> 02:36:00,324
and polluted place where people were increasingly angry. In my

2158
02:36:00,324 --> 02:36:03,484
experience. And it wasn't a place we wanted to raise

2159
02:36:03,505 --> 02:36:09,623
our children. So we left. And putting nature back is

2160
02:36:09,804 --> 02:36:14,845
expansive. In Europe cities are spending billions upon billions of

2161
02:36:14,866 --> 02:36:20,284
dollars trying to put nature back. Thunder Bay has a

2162
02:36:20,284 --> 02:36:23,654
chance to do it right from the beginning. We're in

2163
02:36:23,694 --> 02:36:28,523
a good position. Page four, the City of Thunder Bay's

2164
02:36:28,563 --> 02:36:33,643
official Plan explicitly commits this administration to maintain a healthy

2165
02:36:33,824 --> 02:36:41,045
ecological relationship between human activity and environmental resources. It states

2166
02:36:41,085 --> 02:36:46,885
that protecting and enhancing the Natural Environment through wise management

2167
02:36:47,386 --> 02:36:51,125
and efficient land use patterns will promote long - term

2168
02:36:51,466 --> 02:36:58,600
sustainability. Converting 791er Rundle into a residential zone, fundamentally goes

2169
02:36:58,621 --> 02:37:03,773
against this guiding principle. True smart growth requires us to

2170
02:37:03,954 --> 02:37:11,448
protect existing natural assets, not dismantle them. Taken away Community

2171
02:37:11,549 --> 02:37:15,448
Green Space and Natural Assets undermines the integrity of the

2172
02:37:15,629 --> 02:37:23,335
very framework. To guide our cities sustainable future. But isn't

2173
02:37:23,516 --> 02:37:29,107
791, just vacant land. To label this land as vacant

2174
02:37:29,288 --> 02:37:33,667
as vacant is inaccurate. Calling Land Vacant implies its empty

2175
02:37:34,008 --> 02:37:38,754
unused and devoid of value. Looking at aerial photos of

2176
02:37:39,015 --> 02:37:42,514
791 Arundel, especially the ones take you in the land

2177
02:37:42,554 --> 02:37:46,034
was dormant. I can see why someone might assume the

2178
02:37:46,055 --> 02:37:50,738
land empty. But if you take the time to explore

2179
02:37:51,319 --> 02:37:54,018
791 Arundel and get off the trails and really look

2180
02:37:54,039 --> 02:38:00,243
around, you find the exact opposite. Far from being empty,

2181
02:38:00,243 --> 02:38:04,243
the area contains a highly functional ecosystem of open meadows

2182
02:38:04,664 --> 02:38:08,323
with hundreds of plant and fungi species. Some of these

2183
02:38:08,344 --> 02:38:12,083
meadows are actively transitioning back to forest with at least

2184
02:38:12,344 --> 02:38:17,359
seven native species of robust young trees. They are deeply

2185
02:38:17,380 --> 02:38:23,339
rooted grasses. Many pollinators buzzing about wildlife species and numerous

2186
02:38:23,600 --> 02:38:27,975
medicine plants. And there is a mature wooded areas which

2187
02:38:28,316 --> 02:38:32,295
offer home to different plants and animals, thereby contributing to

2188
02:38:32,316 --> 02:38:40,270
the overall biodiversity and wildlife viewing opportunities. Winding through all

2189
02:38:40,310 --> 02:38:44,110
of this natural richness is a public trail system which

2190
02:38:44,131 --> 02:38:48,767
receives year - round use on a daily basis. That's

2191
02:38:48,807 --> 02:38:51,167
what you'll see if you take the time to look,

2192
02:38:51,167 --> 02:38:54,767
but the more going on that is invisible. Invisible work

2193
02:38:54,868 --> 02:39:00,047
that is contributing thousands of dollars annually to the city's

2194
02:39:00,087 --> 02:39:06,829
economic vitality. This unseen work is called ecological services. Free

2195
02:39:07,010 --> 02:39:12,269
services providing life supporting benefits to all people and saves

2196
02:39:12,370 --> 02:39:17,485
the city money. For example, the four. Water regulation and

2197
02:39:17,525 --> 02:39:21,965
flood control. It's estimated financial contribution is 2, 500 dollars

2198
02:39:25,986 --> 02:39:31,405
absorb heavy rainfall, lower the urban stormwater infrastructure load and

2199
02:39:31,445 --> 02:39:38,765
prevent downstream property damage costs. Number two, carbons, sequestration, estimated

2200
02:39:38,866 --> 02:39:43,885
value of 700 dollars per hector of meadow per year.

2201
02:39:43,885 --> 02:39:49,085
Meadows capture atmospheric carbon into deep roots, providing climate change,

2202
02:39:49,085 --> 02:39:57,589
resiliency. Number three, pollination in habitat support, economic value approximately

2203
02:39:57,850 --> 02:40:04,712
1, 200 dollars. Sustained local B and insect populations protecting

2204
02:40:04,893 --> 02:40:12,892
urban biodiversity and supporting food security. Number four, air quality

2205
02:40:13,313 --> 02:40:23,052
and ambient cooling estimated values filter urban particulate matter and

2206
02:40:23,052 --> 02:40:26,332
mitigate the local heat island fact caused by paved services

2207
02:40:26,833 --> 02:40:31,835
and buildings. So the total estimated annual, economic asset value

2208
02:40:31,936 --> 02:40:37,435
for meadows is approximately 5, 300 per hectare. You multiply

2209
02:40:37,435 --> 02:40:41,915
that by 2. 6, just approximate area of the Open

2210
02:40:41,936 --> 02:40:46,075
Meadows at 791 Arundel. And you get an estimated 14,

2211
02:40:46,176 --> 02:40:51,787
000 dollars in free municipal services every year. And that

2212
02:40:51,827 --> 02:40:56,081
adds up. That's a good investment. If you bring in

2213
02:40:56,121 --> 02:41:00,881
the wooded areas and also consider social benefits, the yearly

2214
02:41:00,902 --> 02:41:06,054
economic contribution would be even higher. And with a devastating

2215
02:41:06,075 --> 02:41:10,854
impacts of climate change, we are experiencing firsthand the economic

2216
02:41:10,875 --> 02:41:18,567
value of natural areas is only going to increase. With

2217
02:41:18,607 --> 02:41:22,487
natural areas are paved over the ecosystem is bankrupted in

2218
02:41:22,487 --> 02:41:25,927
the City eventually absorbs the cost of free ecological services.

2219
02:41:28,760 --> 02:41:33,299
Currently 791 are Rundell provides an important ecological buffer for

2220
02:41:33,400 --> 02:41:38,819
the boulevard Lake Natural Areous Complex. Rezoning this Community Green

2221
02:41:39,000 --> 02:41:43,219
Space means that this larger ecosystem will also be negatively

2222
02:41:43,720 --> 02:41:49,951
affected. Every time an ecosystem is fragmented by roads, parking

2223
02:41:49,951 --> 02:41:55,545
lots, housing, the land community becomes less viable. So essentially

2224
02:41:55,966 --> 02:41:59,305
the smaller and ecological area becomes the less healthy it

2225
02:41:59,305 --> 02:42:04,213
is. Other he had not ecological services relate to mental

2226
02:42:04,234 --> 02:42:08,453
health and well - being. Sir Robert Watson, he's the

2227
02:42:08,453 --> 02:42:14,293
chair of the Intergovernmental Science Policy Platform on Biodiversity and

2228
02:42:14,474 --> 02:42:20,338
ecosystem services said. Nature's contribution to people are of critical

2229
02:42:20,839 --> 02:42:26,978
importance. Nature underpins every person's well - being and ambitions.

2230
02:42:26,999 --> 02:42:32,247
From health and happiness to prosperity and security. People need

2231
02:42:32,287 --> 02:42:35,527
to better understand the full value of nature to ensure

2232
02:42:36,028 --> 02:42:41,895
its protection and sustainable use. Strong mental health is another

2233
02:42:42,236 --> 02:42:50,615
asset. Currently a rundo offers a peaceful mixed meadows and

2234
02:42:50,636 --> 02:42:53,815
wooded areas. A place where you can get away from

2235
02:42:53,855 --> 02:42:57,895
the noise of traffic breathing fresh air. Hear the bird

2236
02:42:58,076 --> 02:43:02,375
Sing Watch Butterflies, see wildlife. Enjoy flowers. Have a space

2237
02:43:02,396 --> 02:43:08,768
to reflect. To release stress and recharge. Strong mental health

2238
02:43:09,029 --> 02:43:13,008
also has economic benefits and is essential to building a

2239
02:43:13,048 --> 02:43:17,248
resilient and vibrant Thunder Bay. Apologies, but you have one

2240
02:43:17,288 --> 02:43:23,358
minute remaining. Okay. It's not too late to recognise that

2241
02:43:23,779 --> 02:43:29,018
791 or Randall Street is neither surplus nor vacant. The

2242
02:43:29,018 --> 02:43:33,664
ecological social and economic value of this land. Which is

2243
02:43:33,664 --> 02:43:37,904
vital, which is a vital functional part of broader boulevard

2244
02:43:38,005 --> 02:43:41,504
Lake Complex is significant. And these values benefit all of

2245
02:43:41,605 --> 02:43:44,704
Thunder Bay now and in the future. And they also

2246
02:43:44,885 --> 02:43:50,399
benefit the more than human wildlife that live there. In

2247
02:43:50,420 --> 02:43:53,919
conclusion, smart growth puts nature first. I'm there for asking

2248
02:43:55,140 --> 02:43:59,439
Council to take the following forward thinking actions tonight. Vote

2249
02:43:59,479 --> 02:44:02,639
no deny the application to amend the official plan and

2250
02:44:02,639 --> 02:44:06,239
zoning by - law for 791 to run the park.

2251
02:44:06,279 --> 02:44:09,919
In the short term maintain this valuable land's designation as

2252
02:44:09,919 --> 02:44:13,839
a community zone to preserve its public use and ecological

2253
02:44:13,940 --> 02:44:18,399
services and even be as bold to consider adding a

2254
02:44:18,439 --> 02:44:26,096
more protective designation in the future. Apologies I'll ask you

2255
02:44:26,096 --> 02:44:29,142
to wrap up please. Thank you. Thank you. For your

2256
02:44:29,142 --> 02:44:34,559
time, your consideration and your service. Thank you. We have

2257
02:44:34,599 --> 02:44:38,254
a question from Mayor Boschkov for you. Thank you very

2258
02:44:38,294 --> 02:44:44,174
much. That was quite fulsome and appreciated. Are you aware

2259
02:44:44,275 --> 02:44:50,814
that Thunderbi out of 5600 municipalities in Canada is in

2260
02:44:50,814 --> 02:44:54,974
the top 10 for percentage of land that are dedicated

2261
02:44:54,974 --> 02:44:58,094
to Parkland and Greenspace? Yes, and that's why I said

2262
02:44:58,134 --> 02:45:01,214
we're ahead of the game. You know, like we have

2263
02:45:01,254 --> 02:45:04,574
a chance to do it right. When you said it,

2264
02:45:04,574 --> 02:45:08,654
I would just pleased that someone that actually acknowledged it.

2265
02:45:08,654 --> 02:45:15,614
So I just wonderful. So you're understanding a Biodiversity and

2266
02:45:15,654 --> 02:45:19,054
with the number and size of the acreages of the

2267
02:45:19,235 --> 02:45:24,494
parks that we have, uh, are you thinking that there

2268
02:45:24,595 --> 02:45:28,474
are still some areas that within the city proper, uh,

2269
02:45:28,515 --> 02:45:32,814
that we still need to protect in view of this

2270
02:45:32,915 --> 02:45:40,108
debate tonight. Well, I looked for a plan on the

2271
02:45:40,369 --> 02:45:42,428
natural areas for the City of Thunder Bay. I couldn't

2272
02:45:42,468 --> 02:45:46,988
find one. Um, you know, showing the designated lands that

2273
02:45:47,009 --> 02:45:53,048
are protected. So that would be helpful. Um, and, you

2274
02:45:53,048 --> 02:45:56,908
know, call me an extremist, but honestly, every natural area

2275
02:45:57,169 --> 02:46:00,348
has these same values and contributes in the same way.

2276
02:46:01,453 --> 02:46:03,512
So that's the third question would be in terms of

2277
02:46:04,093 --> 02:46:10,072
then the conservation authority. And their designations of lands as

2278
02:46:10,112 --> 02:46:14,792
opposed to municipal properties. Mayor Bosch Cabrera, too, uh, snuggle

2279
02:46:14,792 --> 02:46:19,912
this up to 791 Arundle this question? Uh, so what

2280
02:46:19,952 --> 02:46:24,072
I'm trying to figure out what the impact of a

2281
02:46:24,253 --> 02:46:30,472
rundown on the lands that are being protected would have

2282
02:46:30,973 --> 02:46:35,592
because it's such a, actually minute piece of that puzzle.

2283
02:46:39,473 --> 02:46:43,052
Well, it does buffer up against the larger boulevard lake

2284
02:46:43,073 --> 02:46:47,350
complex. And so it's contributing there. And, um, there's numerous

2285
02:46:47,371 --> 02:46:53,350
studies showing even these small areas are making significant contributions.

2286
02:46:53,350 --> 02:46:59,190
Obviously biggers better, but, but they are important. And I,

2287
02:46:59,211 --> 02:47:02,150
there again, there's numerous studies now with cities that just

2288
02:47:02,171 --> 02:47:05,270
have little fragments left here and there and they're fighting

2289
02:47:05,310 --> 02:47:10,000
to save those. I hope I answered your question. Thank

2290
02:47:10,000 --> 02:47:13,680
you. I can't debate you. So I will, uh, I

2291
02:47:13,701 --> 02:47:16,080
thank you for your perspective. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you,

2292
02:47:16,080 --> 02:47:20,857
Mary Boschkoff. Any other questions. I'm seeing none. I'll ask

2293
02:47:20,857 --> 02:47:22,217
you to retire to the gallery. Thank you for your

2294
02:47:22,238 --> 02:47:29,903
deputation. Sorry. Council Hamilton. Oh, apologise Dr. Cortwait. And I

2295
02:47:29,903 --> 02:47:32,463
did not a question for you. I just said one,

2296
02:47:32,463 --> 02:47:36,063
one quick question on, on an element of the proposal.

2297
02:47:36,063 --> 02:47:39,468
And I apologise, Speaker, for coming in late. Um. The

2298
02:47:39,649 --> 02:47:42,268
one main feature of this proposal is the fact that

2299
02:47:42,308 --> 02:47:45,708
it's vertical. Um, and when it comes to urban infil

2300
02:47:45,729 --> 02:47:48,188
and building vertical, you spoke a lot about nature, you

2301
02:47:48,209 --> 02:47:50,828
spoke, you know, I'm sure you understand that in Parkdale

2302
02:47:50,849 --> 02:47:54,008
and Cherry Ridge, like the City is building out, uh,

2303
02:47:54,289 --> 02:47:57,148
forest is being cleared to make room for new subdivisions.

2304
02:47:57,188 --> 02:48:01,468
Uh, this, uh, proposal is at least vertical. It's a

2305
02:48:01,468 --> 02:48:03,788
lot of units in a very short, uh, small amount

2306
02:48:03,828 --> 02:48:05,468
of space. I just want, if you could just give

2307
02:48:05,468 --> 02:48:09,548
a comment on the fact that we're building vertically, dense,

2308
02:48:09,548 --> 02:48:12,428
uh, not out into suburban and taking over more and

2309
02:48:12,468 --> 02:48:15,948
more forest land at the city's perimeter. Yeah, it's definitely

2310
02:48:16,209 --> 02:48:19,148
part of smart growth. Part of me, you know, building

2311
02:48:19,148 --> 02:48:25,708
up, um, but essential fundamental value, our guiding principle is

2312
02:48:25,708 --> 02:48:30,356
smart growth is not taken away existing natural areas. Thank

2313
02:48:30,356 --> 02:48:36,110
you. Very good. Thank you. Next up on the list

2314
02:48:36,211 --> 02:48:45,560
is Dr. Harvey Lemelin. Thank you. As you see, the

2315
02:48:45,560 --> 02:48:48,940
mic is on. Again, I ask of all deputants to

2316
02:48:49,601 --> 02:48:53,980
please bring forward any new information or concerns. Um, please

2317
02:48:54,020 --> 02:48:58,829
introduce yourself and you will have 10 minutes. All right.

2318
02:48:58,930 --> 02:49:04,556
My name is Renal Harvey Lamnae. Bonjour. Hello. Uh, to

2319
02:49:04,596 --> 02:49:08,316
the speaker mayor and Council members. I know some of

2320
02:49:08,316 --> 02:49:10,796
you mentioned Lakehead. I am a Prof and outdoor rec

2321
02:49:10,836 --> 02:49:12,476
parks and tourism. I do feel like I've been teaching

2322
02:49:12,737 --> 02:49:16,716
the seven to 10 class and maybe enthusiasm is a

2323
02:49:16,716 --> 02:49:19,796
bit hard to garner it now. So I'm going to

2324
02:49:19,796 --> 02:49:22,396
try to build on some of the presentation. Mr. Speaker,

2325
02:49:22,396 --> 02:49:23,996
I'm going to apologise in advance. I could say that

2326
02:49:24,257 --> 02:49:27,416
will stole most of my ideas for her speech. But

2327
02:49:27,416 --> 02:49:30,076
I am talking about biodiversity. Let's view it as a

2328
02:49:30,097 --> 02:49:32,636
walk and places that we don't need to spend any

2329
02:49:32,636 --> 02:49:35,625
time on. I'll just move along very quickly. So I

2330
02:49:35,625 --> 02:49:40,276
apologise in advance with that. I'm a researcher with over

2331
02:49:40,297 --> 02:49:43,396
33 years of experience in Ontario Northern Canada. I have

2332
02:49:43,417 --> 02:49:46,116
published in co - published over 50 peer - reviewed

2333
02:49:46,137 --> 02:49:49,316
journal articles. Many of them pertaining to wildlife management in

2334
02:49:49,316 --> 02:49:53,516
Ontario and throughout Canada. From 20, 10 to 2012, I

2335
02:49:53,577 --> 02:49:56,836
was a member of the Fort Seven First Nations Delegation

2336
02:49:57,017 --> 02:50:00,916
Team for the Interjuris Dictional Engagement Session on the Protection

2337
02:50:01,177 --> 02:50:05,250
and Recovery of Polar Bears and Ontario. In 2022, I

2338
02:50:05,271 --> 02:50:08,050
was invited to grandfather Mountain and North Carolina to help

2339
02:50:08,090 --> 02:50:12,050
develop a management strategies regarding the management of a fly

2340
02:50:12,050 --> 02:50:15,939
- fly sanctuary. Last, I am also a resident of

2341
02:50:16,360 --> 02:50:18,819
current river and an act of cyclists and hiker who

2342
02:50:19,000 --> 02:50:22,579
wreck in the LPH lands Boulevard Lake, the bluffs, centennial

2343
02:50:22,619 --> 02:50:29,271
park and Throwbridge forests. Lately Biodiversity in native plants have

2344
02:50:29,271 --> 02:50:33,191
been on some councillors and on some city employee's mind.

2345
02:50:34,216 --> 02:50:38,675
Highlighting the importance of providing food sources for pollinators, whether

2346
02:50:38,936 --> 02:50:42,195
it is on City Boulevards or through no mozones, these

2347
02:50:42,456 --> 02:50:47,875
messages in an era of habitat fragmentation when global insect

2348
02:50:48,696 --> 02:50:52,915
populations are estimated to have decreased by 70 percent view

2349
02:50:53,256 --> 02:50:57,555
and colleagues in 2026 or when North American bird populations

2350
02:50:57,576 --> 02:51:02,515
are done by 2. 9 billion breeding pairs since the

2351
02:51:02,555 --> 02:51:09,706
1970s, Rosenberg. So those strategies should be commended. While I've

2352
02:51:09,746 --> 02:51:13,026
noted many of my concerns regarding the proposed 7091, a

2353
02:51:13,026 --> 02:51:15,306
rundo project to the standing committee and separately to individual

2354
02:51:15,487 --> 02:51:18,666
city council members. And I thank those members who took

2355
02:51:18,687 --> 02:51:20,666
the time to write back and address some of my

2356
02:51:20,706 --> 02:51:24,637
concerns. The focus of this deputation is regarding the potential

2357
02:51:24,818 --> 02:51:31,264
in environmental ramifications of the rezoning of this site. As

2358
02:51:31,304 --> 02:51:34,464
researchers like Rey and Kraus observed the decline of wild

2359
02:51:34,504 --> 02:51:37,824
species represents one of the most urgent crisis of our

2360
02:51:37,925 --> 02:51:43,024
time. Strategies at mitigating this loss includes the establishment of

2361
02:51:43,045 --> 02:51:47,504
protected areas, endangered species, legislation, and pledges to protect nature.

2362
02:51:48,432 --> 02:51:51,451
That's why governments at the federal and provincial levels have

2363
02:51:51,552 --> 02:51:53,771
initiated the 30 by 30. So we need to set

2364
02:51:53,952 --> 02:51:57,211
aside 30 percent of protected areas in Canada and in

2365
02:51:57,211 --> 02:52:01,484
the province by the year 2030. Or looking at urban

2366
02:52:01,505 --> 02:52:04,764
national park strategies to slow and hopefully stop this decline.

2367
02:52:05,954 --> 02:52:09,053
And municipal levels cities like Toronto and Hamilton Burlington have

2368
02:52:09,074 --> 02:52:13,773
initiated strategies to aim that protecting biodiversity and or migratory

2369
02:52:13,794 --> 02:52:20,813
species. Another situations, governments have instituted endangered species legislation. Now

2370
02:52:20,914 --> 02:52:25,693
the role of environmental groups with governments like the nature

2371
02:52:25,954 --> 02:52:31,293
conservancy of Canada and these conservation strategies are citizen project

2372
02:52:32,034 --> 02:52:37,432
are key. To biodiversity protection. And as stated earlier, some

2373
02:52:37,453 --> 02:52:39,912
cities like Thunder Bay have declared the support by pledging

2374
02:52:39,952 --> 02:52:42,952
their allegiances to various environmental initiatives, many of them mentioned

2375
02:52:42,952 --> 02:52:48,884
here tonight, and the mayor is Monarch Butterfly pledge. Park

2376
02:52:48,985 --> 02:52:52,004
Green Space's Park lands an essential component of all of

2377
02:52:52,044 --> 02:52:58,030
these strategies. The 791 Rundell Environmental Impact Assessment conducted on

2378
02:52:58,070 --> 02:53:02,830
August 12th, 2024, and again, on July 17, 20, 26,

2379
02:53:02,830 --> 02:53:05,710
mentioned the possible presence of Yellow - Banded Bumblebee and

2380
02:53:05,710 --> 02:53:08,750
the Canadian warbler. To these observations, I would like to

2381
02:53:08,771 --> 02:53:11,790
add that monarch butterflies and Grey Foxes have been observed

2382
02:53:12,131 --> 02:53:16,270
by citizens who frequently use this area. The reason why

2383
02:53:16,371 --> 02:53:19,870
I'm mentioning these species is the yellow - banded bumblebee,

2384
02:53:19,870 --> 02:53:23,470
Canadian warbler, and monarch butterflies are species of special concerns

2385
02:53:24,051 --> 02:53:27,550
in Ontario, while Grey Fox are considered a threatened species

2386
02:53:28,291 --> 02:53:33,671
in Ontario. As stated earlier, advocating for the planting of

2387
02:53:33,852 --> 02:53:38,736
food sources is an important component of biodiversity protection. But

2388
02:53:38,776 --> 02:53:42,585
it's only one component. For along with food sources, wildlife

2389
02:53:43,086 --> 02:53:47,497
requires habitat when we heard that today and shelter. This

2390
02:53:47,518 --> 02:53:51,017
is why the protection of green spaces and Parkland is

2391
02:53:51,038 --> 02:53:56,030
so crucial to biodiversity. Furthermore, far from being anti -

2392
02:53:56,030 --> 02:53:59,110
meadows or anti - spaces devoid of species diversity and

2393
02:53:59,110 --> 02:54:03,510
richness, urban meadows as MADA and colleagues in 2023 and

2394
02:54:03,691 --> 02:54:10,873
2019 demonstrated our critical habitat in urban spaces. Now the

2395
02:54:10,913 --> 02:54:13,333
term Nimby was addressed, so I won't address it, but

2396
02:54:13,333 --> 02:54:15,593
I would like to address it because there are some

2397
02:54:15,614 --> 02:54:18,233
creatures that don't have a voice in any of these

2398
02:54:18,334 --> 02:54:21,513
sayings. That is the flora and fauna, which is currently

2399
02:54:21,774 --> 02:54:27,543
residing there. So, on their behalf, let's address this Nimid

2400
02:54:27,543 --> 02:54:31,223
Label. Since they don't have a voice, they might have

2401
02:54:31,263 --> 02:54:34,983
been given the opportunity state the following. No development in

2402
02:54:34,983 --> 02:54:41,977
my habitat. Canadian and Thunder Bay residents often assert that

2403
02:54:41,998 --> 02:54:45,017
nature is an essential component of our identity. And we

2404
02:54:45,017 --> 02:54:47,897
take great prides in believing that we have really, really

2405
02:54:47,998 --> 02:54:53,904
enormous amounts of it. Now beside some of the challenges

2406
02:54:54,165 --> 02:54:59,104
associated to considering what our protected areas in the city

2407
02:54:59,285 --> 02:55:03,024
and throughout the province and throughout the country, the notion

2408
02:55:03,064 --> 02:55:07,824
that we have numerous green spaces and that these green

2409
02:55:07,864 --> 02:55:12,144
spaces will not be really impacted by developers landscape promises.

2410
02:55:13,202 --> 02:55:17,341
Nor impacted by other regulatory changes or other natural impacts

2411
02:55:17,381 --> 02:55:19,741
currently affecting the planet. Think of the forest fires this

2412
02:55:19,762 --> 02:55:26,006
summer. Is sadly outdated. And as the caller and as

2413
02:55:26,006 --> 02:55:30,626
the scholar and activists, Empire Ham highlighted, misguided for, and

2414
02:55:30,626 --> 02:55:35,664
I'm paraphrasing him here. A country, a province, a city

2415
02:55:35,845 --> 02:55:39,424
that believe and promotes nature but does not feel powerful

2416
02:55:39,464 --> 02:55:43,824
enough to protect it from corporations and other interests will

2417
02:55:43,864 --> 02:55:49,104
not make the necessary sacrifices the political choices or the

2418
02:55:49,144 --> 02:55:57,107
cultural investments that this land needs. Furthermore, the decisions taken

2419
02:55:57,147 --> 02:56:00,947
by Council when not only transform natural habitat and further

2420
02:56:01,048 --> 02:56:06,227
fragment this habitat, but may, and I stress me, enforce

2421
02:56:06,267 --> 02:56:10,707
a growing, parlessness that many Canadians and young residents of

2422
02:56:11,048 --> 02:56:14,627
Thunder, young and old of Thunder Bay Field when it

2423
02:56:14,627 --> 02:56:17,787
comes to political action. I urge you on behalf of

2424
02:56:18,208 --> 02:56:24,583
all residents. Human or otherwise, to not rezone 791 Arrendel.

2425
02:56:25,336 --> 02:56:30,115
Thank you, Nasi. Thank you. Uh, any questions from Council.

2426
02:56:33,023 --> 02:56:36,362
Mayor Boschkov, please. On 791 Arundel, thank you. Yes on

2427
02:56:36,362 --> 02:56:45,162
791, I appreciate your presentation very much. The City by

2428
02:56:45,202 --> 02:56:50,602
decision about three years ago, uh, decided that what we

2429
02:56:50,642 --> 02:56:55,162
had to do to sustain ourselves as a community and

2430
02:56:55,183 --> 02:57:01,562
understanding our large territorial area of the community. And the

2431
02:57:01,602 --> 02:57:04,602
large rural component of it, uh, that we needed more

2432
02:57:04,623 --> 02:57:10,202
population to provide a tax base, considering how expansive the

2433
02:57:10,223 --> 02:57:15,562
municipality is and our road network. So with that came.

2434
02:57:17,365 --> 02:57:22,304
A housing push to accommodate people in proper housing and

2435
02:57:22,344 --> 02:57:27,044
do it. So, uh. There are limits to growth understanding

2436
02:57:27,084 --> 02:57:32,404
that. So what are municipalities to do such as ours,

2437
02:57:32,404 --> 02:57:37,764
uh, in terms of our sustainable approach to both growing

2438
02:57:38,585 --> 02:57:48,110
and developing proper jobs and revenue. Okay, I don't want

2439
02:57:48,110 --> 02:57:50,350
to get in the debate here, but there are some

2440
02:57:50,390 --> 02:57:52,910
researchers saying we need to examine this concept of growth

2441
02:57:53,331 --> 02:57:56,190
and everlasting growth and sustainability. So perhaps that would be

2442
02:57:56,611 --> 02:57:59,630
one of the things that we start examining from that

2443
02:57:59,630 --> 02:58:04,226
perspective. I understand that people need housing. And I am

2444
02:58:04,226 --> 02:58:07,179
not against it. But I think that some of the

2445
02:58:07,220 --> 02:58:11,119
previous presentation that spoken more eloquently and more insightfully on

2446
02:58:11,380 --> 02:58:15,039
how we can address this. Again, I'm presenting you with

2447
02:58:15,039 --> 02:58:17,659
a perspective that no one else has talked about. And

2448
02:58:17,659 --> 02:58:19,999
I do believe that they deserve a voice. It's a

2449
02:58:19,999 --> 02:58:25,119
real shame in democracies that creatures that inhabit these areas

2450
02:58:25,460 --> 02:58:28,479
have no voice. That is my perspective. I know I'm

2451
02:58:28,519 --> 02:58:31,410
not answering your question. Maybe I'll make a good politician

2452
02:58:31,591 --> 02:58:33,770
one day, but I'm sticking with what I want to

2453
02:58:33,770 --> 02:58:37,775
present. And who I'm defending. I appreciate that. Thank you.

2454
02:58:37,956 --> 02:58:43,540
Thank you. Thank you. Councillor Agwell, please. Thank you very

2455
02:58:43,580 --> 02:58:50,660
much, Professor, for Deputation. Just a question for you. You're

2456
02:58:50,660 --> 02:58:54,740
mentioning the Biodiversity and the Protection of some of these

2457
02:58:54,780 --> 02:58:58,020
species that are near extinction. Or can you go further

2458
02:58:58,121 --> 02:59:03,897
into that and explain that. On this land here, um,

2459
02:59:03,897 --> 02:59:06,717
cause I heard the Grey Fox now. What does it

2460
02:59:06,717 --> 02:59:10,216
mean to us. As a community or as a country

2461
02:59:10,877 --> 02:59:17,976
about the Grey Fox or the yellow banded bubble year,

2462
02:59:17,976 --> 02:59:22,918
the wobbler? Canadian Marble. Um, if you could, uh, explain

2463
02:59:22,958 --> 02:59:24,918
that a little bit better to me to understand what

2464
02:59:25,099 --> 02:59:28,492
you're meant there. Okay. Thank you for that opportunity. Um,

2465
02:59:28,933 --> 02:59:31,872
Species richness is a key component of biodiversity. I didn't

2466
02:59:31,912 --> 02:59:34,912
go into the technical definition. I would have needed two

2467
02:59:34,952 --> 02:59:37,552
hours, not 10 minutes to do that. So it is

2468
02:59:37,653 --> 02:59:40,512
a key component of to try and protect all of

2469
02:59:40,512 --> 02:59:44,512
these animals are again, addressing the previous question within a

2470
02:59:44,552 --> 02:59:47,772
sustainable fashion. Uh, I'm just pointing out some of the

2471
02:59:47,772 --> 02:59:51,212
animals that were listed in the environmental impact assessment. And

2472
02:59:51,212 --> 02:59:53,552
the reason why they're protected is there may not be

2473
02:59:53,592 --> 02:59:57,072
enough habitat for them or breeding pairs. Further studies would

2474
02:59:57,112 --> 02:59:58,832
have to be done. That's one of the reasons why

2475
02:59:58,872 --> 03:00:01,792
they are monarch butterflies, one of the most important thing

2476
03:00:01,792 --> 03:00:04,752
is not only protecting their habitat here, but protecting their

2477
03:00:04,792 --> 03:00:07,312
migratory roots back to Mexico. And when they come back

2478
03:00:07,733 --> 03:00:10,352
in the spring. So that is one of the key

2479
03:00:10,392 --> 03:00:13,752
components I believe warblers. Yes. Warblers are also migratory. So

2480
03:00:13,752 --> 03:00:15,872
it's very important to recognise that it's not only local

2481
03:00:16,133 --> 03:00:19,872
habitats, but transnational habitats because they go through the U.

2482
03:00:19,912 --> 03:00:26,806
S. and Mexico. Okay. So, um, through you, the speaker,

2483
03:00:26,806 --> 03:00:28,806
are you saying that they're on the verge of potential

2484
03:00:28,827 --> 03:00:34,386
extinction or reduction of their numbers have been reduced? How

2485
03:00:34,667 --> 03:00:36,786
is the impact? Councillor Eggwell. If you could please, uh,

2486
03:00:38,667 --> 03:00:41,926
rezoning or planning of 791 Arundo, please. Yeah. It's to

2487
03:00:41,926 --> 03:00:45,046
deal with the environmental on 791 because the doctor has

2488
03:00:45,067 --> 03:00:47,766
brought that forward as a species. If you could, please.

2489
03:00:47,766 --> 03:00:52,091
Thank you. Speaker, do you want me, can I address

2490
03:00:52,352 --> 03:00:55,851
Denlor? Well, I don't think we had a question. Well,

2491
03:00:55,891 --> 03:00:58,411
the question is, how is that impacting on this piece

2492
03:00:58,451 --> 03:01:01,851
of land with the Environmental He's mentioned the Environmental Studies

2493
03:01:02,752 --> 03:01:07,705
are incomplete. And that biodiversity is essential for these pieces

2494
03:01:07,745 --> 03:01:09,785
on this particular piece of land is where they've seen

2495
03:01:09,825 --> 03:01:13,193
them. Right? I don't know what a wobbler looks like.

2496
03:01:13,193 --> 03:01:15,033
I don't know all these things, but these are things

2497
03:01:15,073 --> 03:01:18,793
that have been impacting that's possible parcel, and that's where

2498
03:01:18,793 --> 03:01:22,393
I'd like to know what the long - term effect,

2499
03:01:22,393 --> 03:01:24,793
if any. Okay, thank you for that question. I didn't

2500
03:01:24,833 --> 03:01:28,353
say the Environmental Impact Assessment was in complete. What it

2501
03:01:28,353 --> 03:01:31,433
did note is yellow bent Bobo B, Canadian warblers and

2502
03:01:31,473 --> 03:01:35,513
Monarch Butterflies, all species of special concern in Ontario, which

2503
03:01:35,614 --> 03:01:38,713
are listed under our endangered species actors, also the species

2504
03:01:39,134 --> 03:01:44,073
at risk act in Canada, which will cover monarch butterflies.

2505
03:01:44,073 --> 03:01:47,753
So in other situations, I know, and I can't, this

2506
03:01:47,753 --> 03:01:50,073
is not my area of expertise. I know that studies

2507
03:01:50,113 --> 03:01:52,313
have been stopped and developments have been stopped when these

2508
03:01:52,313 --> 03:01:56,393
species have been found on these areas, or in similar

2509
03:01:56,433 --> 03:02:00,073
areas, but I'm usually talking about forestry projects and different

2510
03:02:00,073 --> 03:02:03,513
type of projects. Precautionary principle here is always the best

2511
03:02:03,614 --> 03:02:09,462
thing to do. But. Okay, thank you very much. Thank

2512
03:02:09,462 --> 03:02:13,142
you. Seeing no other questions. Alassy retired to the gallery.

2513
03:02:13,142 --> 03:02:16,562
Thank you for your deputation. Next up on our list,

2514
03:02:16,562 --> 03:02:19,917
we have Felipe Hamel. Again, apologies if I pronounce that

2515
03:02:20,098 --> 03:02:29,897
incorrectly. As you can see, the mic is on. Again,

2516
03:02:29,937 --> 03:02:36,937
as you've heard from previous Deputate, new information or concerns,

2517
03:02:36,937 --> 03:02:39,657
please introduce yourself, and you'll have 10 minutes when you

2518
03:02:39,657 --> 03:02:45,264
begin. Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Mayer, considers. Yes,

2519
03:02:45,304 --> 03:02:48,704
opponents, your pronunciation was correct, Mr. Speaker. My name is

2520
03:02:48,885 --> 03:02:54,024
Philip Amel. I reside on Fabric Crescent. I've been Tony

2521
03:02:54,064 --> 03:02:59,083
B. C. Citizen and resident for 30 plus years. And

2522
03:02:59,104 --> 03:03:04,445
I'm here as a private resident. About the concern about

2523
03:03:04,626 --> 03:03:08,845
791 Arendel Development, and especially the long - term effects

2524
03:03:08,885 --> 03:03:17,953
of rezoning that parcel there. So understood that.

2525
03:03:19,174 --> 03:03:25,873
Community meeting explanations for the proponent to give explanations to

2526
03:03:25,913 --> 03:03:29,953
the Community on July 22nd, and that some of the

2527
03:03:30,134 --> 03:03:33,633
comments from the Community were taken into account, amongst others

2528
03:03:33,673 --> 03:03:35,873
like bringing the parking on the knee to the building,

2529
03:03:35,873 --> 03:03:38,993
which is a good thing, avoiding a development that would

2530
03:03:39,033 --> 03:03:41,953
be a patch of asphalt with the smallish building in

2531
03:03:41,953 --> 03:03:45,162
the middle. And two, that there was some affordable housing

2532
03:03:45,343 --> 03:03:50,042
in the project. It's also a good thing. I'm wondering

2533
03:03:50,063 --> 03:03:53,002
how good it will be with the Affordable Housing in

2534
03:03:53,002 --> 03:03:58,021
the middle of food desert. My biggest concern was, however,

2535
03:03:58,042 --> 03:04:02,901
about the traffic. Miss Tent already mentioned the shortcomings of

2536
03:04:02,901 --> 03:04:06,101
the Traffic Study, only at one point. I won't go

2537
03:04:06,682 --> 03:04:09,781
long. I want to go back there. However, there was

2538
03:04:09,781 --> 03:04:12,501
a comment on July 22nd that was, oh yeah, we

2539
03:04:12,522 --> 03:04:17,301
might have two straightened up lion boulevard. And that raise

2540
03:04:18,442 --> 03:04:21,861
a huge concern in the person that grew up in

2541
03:04:21,962 --> 03:04:26,661
Quebec City, basically me. And Ms. Councillor Atreini mentioned that

2542
03:04:27,642 --> 03:04:32,843
comment again tonight. Like there was in Quebec City. I'll

2543
03:04:32,843 --> 03:04:35,803
take the example to see the consequence I'm talking long

2544
03:04:35,843 --> 03:04:41,944
- term consequence of the rezoning of 791 ARNDL. And

2545
03:04:41,944 --> 03:04:45,739
the impact of the online boulevard. The NK - BX

2546
03:04:45,739 --> 03:04:50,939
City was a little boulevard along the river that they

2547
03:04:50,939 --> 03:04:54,474
decided to strain it up. To East Traffic, exactly the

2548
03:04:54,474 --> 03:04:57,434
same words that we heard tonight. And at the meaning

2549
03:04:57,474 --> 03:05:01,994
on July 22nd. Street Enemy means also widening and ended

2550
03:05:01,994 --> 03:05:05,114
up doing a thoroughfare similar to Water Street on the

2551
03:05:05,154 --> 03:05:09,180
shores of the St. Lawrence. That dedicated that Torah Fair

2552
03:05:09,201 --> 03:05:14,987
to only one thing automobile traffic. So with that concern

2553
03:05:15,008 --> 03:05:18,987
of straining line boulevard, Toro family, but not to do

2554
03:05:19,027 --> 03:05:20,987
many truth of Water Street, but that would be coming

2555
03:05:22,288 --> 03:05:27,527
a thoroughfare. We be dedicated solely to automobil traffic. And

2556
03:05:27,527 --> 03:05:32,347
the park that we know as like the boulevard Lake

2557
03:05:32,387 --> 03:05:36,587
Park with cease to exist, basically. So in Quebec City,

2558
03:05:36,928 --> 03:05:39,707
the admitted the mistake, and 30 - 40 years down

2559
03:05:39,747 --> 03:05:43,227
the road, the corrected it by bringing back the curves

2560
03:05:43,408 --> 03:05:47,067
that eliminated, and the interruptions that were there by adding

2561
03:05:47,088 --> 03:05:51,067
up street lights and pedestrian crossings to give access to

2562
03:05:51,107 --> 03:05:53,787
the park that was there or the communal line that

2563
03:05:53,827 --> 03:05:57,147
was there in our park. Along the shore of the

2564
03:05:57,248 --> 03:06:00,667
river. So, and needless to say that was an extremely

2565
03:06:00,707 --> 03:06:05,067
expensive proposal to correct the mistake that was done like

2566
03:06:05,088 --> 03:06:11,423
50 years ago. So to avoid that mistake, my recommendation

2567
03:06:11,444 --> 03:06:18,623
would be to avoid a large development in the Parkland

2568
03:06:18,644 --> 03:06:21,583
that's there, and no, that's not an infill. That's building

2569
03:06:21,684 --> 03:06:25,480
on Parkland. So to be clear on that too. And

2570
03:06:25,901 --> 03:06:28,680
finally, okay, what do they do in Quebec City that

2571
03:06:28,680 --> 03:06:32,520
we could do here to alleviate the housing issues that

2572
03:06:32,560 --> 03:06:37,400
we have? Well, they're building brown field, like very desirable,

2573
03:06:37,400 --> 03:06:43,160
but of course the ways available brownfield, or like kind

2574
03:06:43,160 --> 03:06:46,920
of an industrial area that we could be convert to

2575
03:06:47,261 --> 03:06:56,465
housing. Well, the identified mall there. And in concert between

2576
03:06:56,505 --> 03:07:01,505
the city, that kind of brokered the deal and facilitated

2577
03:07:01,545 --> 03:07:06,285
the deal. The existing owner of the shopping mall, the

2578
03:07:06,285 --> 03:07:11,745
existing shopping mall tenants, and an external contractor, they're redeveloping

2579
03:07:11,785 --> 03:07:19,505
the whole area to build multiplex housing multiplex with many

2580
03:07:19,606 --> 03:07:25,985
units between luxury condos to affordable housings and some office

2581
03:07:26,025 --> 03:07:30,225
space. And a lot of the things in that area.

2582
03:07:30,225 --> 03:07:35,425
And I'm sure that we have internally here some shopping

2583
03:07:35,446 --> 03:07:39,505
malls that could be that are basically building in a

2584
03:07:39,526 --> 03:07:41,825
major patch of asphalt that could be redeveloped in the

2585
03:07:41,825 --> 03:07:51,425
same way. So again, to reiterate, to avoid casually mentioned

2586
03:07:51,846 --> 03:07:56,625
streetening of the Lion Boulevard is 791 Arundele, the first

2587
03:07:56,726 --> 03:07:59,665
domino of a lot of other developments that will happen

2588
03:08:00,086 --> 03:08:05,505
and force those streetening of Laien Boulevard and sacrifice Boulevardley.

2589
03:08:07,449 --> 03:08:12,068
My recommendation to this Council is to vote against the

2590
03:08:12,068 --> 03:08:18,144
rezoning of 791 Arendelle. Thank you. Thank you. Looking for

2591
03:08:18,245 --> 03:08:22,465
questions from Council. I'm Sing None. Thank you for your

2592
03:08:22,505 --> 03:08:25,825
deputation. Please retire to the gallery. Next on our list

2593
03:08:25,846 --> 03:08:28,145
is Paul Paulrini.

2594
03:08:40,123 --> 03:08:42,582
Thank you. And the Mike is on, as you see,

2595
03:08:42,582 --> 03:08:44,742
and I'll reiterate my ask that you please present new

2596
03:08:44,782 --> 03:08:48,562
information or concerns. Uh, and that you introduce yourself. You

2597
03:08:48,562 --> 03:08:52,209
have 10 minutes when you start. My name is Paul

2598
03:08:52,230 --> 03:08:55,149
Paul Lee. And I'm here this evening to make a

2599
03:08:55,149 --> 03:09:01,224
deputation on the housing project for 791 Rundell Street. Um,

2600
03:09:01,565 --> 03:09:03,864
and the last one, I guess, tonight. And so I

2601
03:09:03,864 --> 03:09:05,944
don't want to be repetitive. I will try to respect

2602
03:09:06,125 --> 03:09:10,744
your guideline on that. If you could please approach the

2603
03:09:10,744 --> 03:09:13,695
mic a little bit more. Thank you. Yes. Uh, and

2604
03:09:13,716 --> 03:09:17,175
I just want to mention quickly that I've got, I

2605
03:09:17,175 --> 03:09:20,735
spent a better part of my adult life and working

2606
03:09:20,836 --> 03:09:24,175
in the field of community development, travelling all over Northwestern

2607
03:09:24,196 --> 03:09:28,575
Ontario working on nonprofit organisations, uh, trying to encourage their

2608
03:09:28,596 --> 03:09:31,855
participation in the decision - making process of government at

2609
03:09:31,895 --> 03:09:36,144
all levels, and also their interaction with institutions. Lake Municipal

2610
03:09:36,184 --> 03:09:41,387
Governments. So, uh, I have some experience in this area,

2611
03:09:41,387 --> 03:09:46,347
and I'm particularly familiar with Public Consultation Process. They fascinate

2612
03:09:46,347 --> 03:09:49,547
me and how they work and whether or not they

2613
03:09:49,587 --> 03:09:53,936
work properly. And so, uh, that's my background. I want

2614
03:09:53,936 --> 03:09:58,896
to mention that I'm here to speak only to give

2615
03:09:58,936 --> 03:10:01,536
my own opinion at this point in time. But I

2616
03:10:01,536 --> 03:10:05,616
do belong to the group of individuals that have been

2617
03:10:05,637 --> 03:10:11,376
making presentations tonight. The Green Space Preservation Thunder B. Green's

2618
03:10:11,376 --> 03:10:14,576
preservation. I'm going to say that I have two parts

2619
03:10:14,677 --> 03:10:20,953
to my presentation, Deputation. And, uh, quite a few of

2620
03:10:20,953 --> 03:10:23,673
the pieces in the first part of it, already been

2621
03:10:23,673 --> 03:10:25,753
spoken to, but I want to just touch on them

2622
03:10:25,753 --> 03:10:29,993
quickly. There's some value in the bit of repetition. And,

2623
03:10:29,993 --> 03:10:32,073
uh, so, uh, one of the first things I want

2624
03:10:32,073 --> 03:10:34,885
to mention is the size of the project. When people

2625
03:10:35,306 --> 03:10:38,325
incurriver first saw the pictures of these buildings, they were

2626
03:10:38,365 --> 03:10:42,005
horrified. That's the work. They said the C can't possibly

2627
03:10:42,026 --> 03:10:46,767
be serious. About putting these huge apartment buildings in our

2628
03:10:46,868 --> 03:10:50,447
neighbourhood park. So the size of this thing is one

2629
03:10:50,487 --> 03:10:56,088
issue for sure. And, uh, and also it does, doesn't,

2630
03:10:56,128 --> 03:10:58,808
it's not consistent with the City's official plan. And I

2631
03:10:58,808 --> 03:11:00,888
think one of my other colleagues have spoken to that

2632
03:11:00,909 --> 03:11:04,568
tonight. The traffic issue is the second issue. And the

2633
03:11:04,608 --> 03:11:06,568
people have spoken to that as well. But the one

2634
03:11:06,568 --> 03:11:09,288
point that hasn't been mentioned here is the Rundell Street

2635
03:11:09,309 --> 03:11:13,836
is the secondary Street. It's two lanes, not four. Hotter

2636
03:11:13,836 --> 03:11:17,363
is a primary lane. And, uh, the other thing that

2637
03:11:17,384 --> 03:11:20,643
has been mentioned is that the room to expand a

2638
03:11:20,683 --> 03:11:25,043
Rundell Street from the bridge down to the corner, we're

2639
03:11:25,043 --> 03:11:29,843
hotteres. And so it'll always be a secondary street because

2640
03:11:29,843 --> 03:11:32,243
there's no room to expand it. And we can have

2641
03:11:32,264 --> 03:11:34,483
all the parking, we can have all the traffic studies

2642
03:11:34,584 --> 03:11:37,216
in the world. It's not going to fix that. That's

2643
03:11:37,216 --> 03:11:39,456
what we got. And there's a lot of traffic on

2644
03:11:39,637 --> 03:11:42,016
a rundo already at this point in time. We're talking

2645
03:11:42,056 --> 03:11:45,056
about adding at least a thousand more vehicles to that.

2646
03:11:45,056 --> 03:11:47,616
So there's not that you don't have to be a

2647
03:11:47,717 --> 03:11:50,256
rocket scientist to know that that's going to create problems

2648
03:11:50,597 --> 03:11:53,136
in our, in our neighbourhood. There is going to be

2649
03:11:53,136 --> 03:11:55,056
a traffic problem there. And it's not going to be

2650
03:11:55,056 --> 03:12:00,210
fixed with its study. My third point is the acting

2651
03:12:00,391 --> 03:12:04,250
living court or in the current river ward. If this

2652
03:12:04,290 --> 03:12:08,770
project goes ahead, the active living corridor, it's going to

2653
03:12:09,231 --> 03:12:11,690
spell the end of that corridor. People are not going

2654
03:12:11,690 --> 03:12:15,690
to be able to use that acting living corridor anymore

2655
03:12:15,951 --> 03:12:18,650
because there's going to be so much traffic there. It's

2656
03:12:18,751 --> 03:12:22,550
not safe. That's why we already have bullards there, uh,

2657
03:12:22,550 --> 03:12:26,584
in that area. That's a recognition that the problem. And

2658
03:12:26,925 --> 03:12:29,524
also people have been complaining for some time about, uh,

2659
03:12:29,645 --> 03:12:34,729
speeding drivers. People don't respect the speed limit there. That's

2660
03:12:34,769 --> 03:12:36,969
why we have those signs up. Shows you how fast

2661
03:12:36,990 --> 03:12:42,061
you're going. The destruction of trees and wildlife on this

2662
03:12:42,322 --> 03:12:46,417
property is a particular concern to me. And I want

2663
03:12:46,518 --> 03:12:48,497
to mention the fact that this park is not just,

2664
03:12:48,497 --> 03:12:50,177
it's not the same as other parks in the city.

2665
03:12:52,028 --> 03:12:55,607
Parks that have been engineered and they've been engineered by

2666
03:12:55,628 --> 03:13:00,167
human hands. They've been engineered by our parks division. This

2667
03:13:00,268 --> 03:13:04,647
is actually natural forest. This is typical of the Northern

2668
03:13:05,068 --> 03:13:09,267
boreal forest of Canada. And, uh, it's, and it's, but

2669
03:13:09,267 --> 03:13:13,687
it's biodiverse. It's got all kinds of biodiversity to it.

2670
03:13:13,687 --> 03:13:16,487
Uh, the destruction of that forest would get rid of

2671
03:13:16,487 --> 03:13:19,047
that by a diversity. It's lost forever. It's gone. We

2672
03:13:19,148 --> 03:13:24,055
can't. We'll never recover that. And I don't want to,

2673
03:13:24,055 --> 03:13:28,055
uh, I don't want to understand the value of our

2674
03:13:28,076 --> 03:13:31,415
urban force. I think everybody around this table understands that

2675
03:13:31,455 --> 03:13:34,335
in terms of climate, moderation and what have you. So

2676
03:13:34,396 --> 03:13:36,615
I don't want to continue to speak on that. It's

2677
03:13:36,615 --> 03:13:39,575
going to lead to hotter summers if all of our

2678
03:13:39,615 --> 03:13:43,975
parks are in green spaces are taken up. The climate

2679
03:13:43,975 --> 03:13:45,795
is going to, it's just going to get hotter. And

2680
03:13:45,795 --> 03:13:48,055
it's already hot enough at this point in time for

2681
03:13:48,095 --> 03:13:52,219
seniors in particular. Um, I still have some questions about

2682
03:13:52,320 --> 03:13:54,859
whether the black cash trees on that property. I know

2683
03:13:54,960 --> 03:13:59,532
the city has made a commission to report. Internally and

2684
03:13:59,532 --> 03:14:01,692
they paid for that report. But I'm not sure that

2685
03:14:03,073 --> 03:14:09,191
that report is completely reliable. The issue of stormwater, the

2686
03:14:09,191 --> 03:14:11,771
removal of all the trees on that property, the water

2687
03:14:11,811 --> 03:14:14,411
table is going to drop. There's no question about that.

2688
03:14:14,411 --> 03:14:15,531
The soil is not going to be able to retain

2689
03:14:15,792 --> 03:14:18,071
the water any longer. And I think one of the

2690
03:14:18,352 --> 03:14:20,491
councillors around this table did say at one time that

2691
03:14:20,512 --> 03:14:25,057
it's impossible for us to out engineer tree. Okay. And

2692
03:14:25,078 --> 03:14:28,657
we agree. Any stormwater management plan that the city is

2693
03:14:28,657 --> 03:14:32,257
going to prepare is no match for trees. It's simply

2694
03:14:32,278 --> 03:14:35,421
no match for trees. Trees are the trees of the

2695
03:14:35,421 --> 03:14:39,501
answer. The grey fox family, I won't go back into

2696
03:14:39,541 --> 03:14:42,621
that too much except to say that the legislation covering

2697
03:14:42,661 --> 03:14:46,461
it. Okay. So if the habit titled that great Fox

2698
03:14:46,482 --> 03:14:49,661
family is destroyed by the City or the developer is

2699
03:14:49,661 --> 03:14:55,216
a criminal offence. There's a law. In place. Historic trail

2700
03:14:55,256 --> 03:15:00,413
network. The trails in that area Boulevard Lake. We're not

2701
03:15:00,413 --> 03:15:03,213
talking about two decades, but they've been there since early

2702
03:15:03,253 --> 03:15:08,531
1920s. Over a hundred years a century. Those trails have

2703
03:15:08,571 --> 03:15:14,436
been there. And. We don't really want those trails altered

2704
03:15:14,457 --> 03:15:18,058
in any way. We don't want them moved. They're there.

2705
03:15:18,098 --> 03:15:20,331
They've been there forever. So they should stay the way

2706
03:15:20,371 --> 03:15:25,257
they are. Walkable neighbourhoods. I think we should be looking

2707
03:15:25,278 --> 03:15:29,577
at creating walkable neighbourhoods and started a car dependent ones.

2708
03:15:29,577 --> 03:15:31,497
Somebody's already made that point. And I don't want to

2709
03:15:31,518 --> 03:15:36,410
be labour of that. The parking issue will remain. I

2710
03:15:36,450 --> 03:15:39,210
don't think there's going to be enough parking spaces in

2711
03:15:39,210 --> 03:15:42,076
those buildings under those buildings. Uh, to be able to

2712
03:15:42,377 --> 03:15:45,396
combinate everybody. We have to remember here that the average

2713
03:15:45,657 --> 03:15:49,241
family in this city doesn't have just one vehicle. They

2714
03:15:49,241 --> 03:15:52,041
have two. And sometimes if children are living with their

2715
03:15:52,041 --> 03:15:56,474
parents, there's four. So my question is where's the overflow

2716
03:15:56,575 --> 03:15:58,954
going to go? Where are the, where's the overflow from

2717
03:15:58,994 --> 03:16:01,194
that going to go? Uh, is there any plan for

2718
03:16:01,194 --> 03:16:03,194
that? I don't see a plan for that at all.

2719
03:16:03,194 --> 03:16:04,954
I think parking is going to be serious issue there.

2720
03:16:05,980 --> 03:16:10,039
Water pressure. There's no question at all that water pressure

2721
03:16:10,300 --> 03:16:11,799
is going to be a problem. There's going to be

2722
03:16:11,799 --> 03:16:14,759
huge impact on water pressure in that neighbourhood. You can't

2723
03:16:14,860 --> 03:16:18,919
add 360 units of housing to the existing system and

2724
03:16:18,940 --> 03:16:21,479
not expect it. It's not going to have any impact.

2725
03:16:21,479 --> 03:16:24,919
So we are concerned about water pressure. And we're also

2726
03:16:24,959 --> 03:16:29,182
concerned about water pressure and the fire hydrants. Fire hydrogens

2727
03:16:29,222 --> 03:16:32,142
have to have enough water pressure to protect our homes

2728
03:16:32,483 --> 03:16:36,744
and our properties and our lives. It's not difficult. So

2729
03:16:36,765 --> 03:16:40,710
that's an issue. The existing infrastructure in that area is

2730
03:16:40,731 --> 03:16:45,042
completely outdated. And totally inadequate to handle a project of

2731
03:16:45,082 --> 03:16:48,322
this size. Some of the sewer means in that area,

2732
03:16:48,322 --> 03:16:52,246
I suspect are as small as four inches. I went

2733
03:16:52,246 --> 03:16:55,206
through this process one time before. We found it in

2734
03:16:55,227 --> 03:16:57,846
Current River that there are some means there that are

2735
03:16:57,947 --> 03:17:01,905
four inches. And the standard now is eight. So that

2736
03:17:02,006 --> 03:17:04,545
doesn't meet, you know, we have to be conscious of

2737
03:17:04,585 --> 03:17:08,385
that. Also the question of the bedrock, some discussion about

2738
03:17:08,406 --> 03:17:13,176
the, uh, blasting operations. That may take place there. I'm

2739
03:17:13,176 --> 03:17:15,836
pretty sure the bedrock there. Because you can see bedrock

2740
03:17:15,857 --> 03:17:19,916
everywhere around there. The DOS and apartments building that, Sarah,

2741
03:17:19,916 --> 03:17:22,236
the property that's across the road that belongs to the

2742
03:17:22,236 --> 03:17:25,058
City that's been for sale forever. Nobody wants it because

2743
03:17:25,239 --> 03:17:29,926
you can't do anything with it. It's all bedrock. Um,

2744
03:17:30,587 --> 03:17:32,886
the Study of Thunder B, I think we've mentioned that

2745
03:17:33,947 --> 03:17:36,246
the City of Thunder Bay spent 30 million dollars on

2746
03:17:36,747 --> 03:17:42,755
updating infrastructure downtown course. That's where this project belongs. We

2747
03:17:42,776 --> 03:17:46,663
should not be spending another 30 million dollars. Fixing the

2748
03:17:46,684 --> 03:17:51,303
infrastructure in our neighbourhood to accommodate this project. That's ridiculous.

2749
03:17:51,884 --> 03:17:55,477
There's a limit to taxpayers'money. We need to be conscious

2750
03:17:55,517 --> 03:18:00,917
of that. Short - sighted planning. I think the planning.

2751
03:18:01,760 --> 03:18:03,659
The city's planning on this is a really short -

2752
03:18:03,659 --> 03:18:07,099
sighted. I spent a lot of time working with indigenous

2753
03:18:07,200 --> 03:18:11,560
organisations all over Northwest Ontario. You have less than a

2754
03:18:11,600 --> 03:18:18,133
minute remaining. Okay. How much? Well, 45 seconds. Okay. Um,

2755
03:18:18,154 --> 03:18:22,693
I think the indigenous organisations, when they plan their projects,

2756
03:18:22,693 --> 03:18:25,973
they plan them with seven generations in mind. I'm going

2757
03:18:25,973 --> 03:18:28,133
to ask this council to think about the children of

2758
03:18:28,133 --> 03:18:32,125
the future. Okay. This issue, this is not just a

2759
03:18:32,125 --> 03:18:34,685
decision for today or the current generation. It's for the

2760
03:18:34,685 --> 03:18:39,475
future. Building and design illustration, I want to go to

2761
03:18:39,475 --> 03:18:41,875
that. Affordable housing. I just want to mention quickly here

2762
03:18:41,915 --> 03:18:45,434
that this is not about affordable housing. We're not talking

2763
03:18:45,615 --> 03:18:48,194
these buildings. They're not going to add our address. So

2764
03:18:48,194 --> 03:18:50,714
issue affordable housing. It's got nothing to do with affordable

2765
03:18:50,815 --> 03:18:58,394
housing at all. Uh, high density housing projects. It seems

2766
03:18:58,394 --> 03:19:00,794
to me like the city is entirely focused on high

2767
03:19:00,815 --> 03:19:04,154
density housing project. We have no problem with that. I'd

2768
03:19:04,194 --> 03:19:13,184
ask the wrap up, please. Um. The housing study 2024,

2769
03:19:13,184 --> 03:19:16,444
we said, uh, I think somebody's mentioned that already. And

2770
03:19:16,485 --> 03:19:20,752
the targets. I don't think we need to develop. 791

2771
03:19:20,933 --> 03:19:24,446
or Street. We don't need to doubt it. We don't

2772
03:19:24,446 --> 03:19:27,366
need to develop that to meet our housing targets. We

2773
03:19:27,427 --> 03:19:29,466
can meet them with all the other projects that are

2774
03:19:29,466 --> 03:19:32,208
already in the two. Last, I want to mention the

2775
03:19:32,248 --> 03:19:35,968
fact that there's really the lack of public support for

2776
03:19:36,008 --> 03:19:39,019
this project. I think we've seen that there's been a

2777
03:19:39,019 --> 03:19:43,901
lot of pushback on this project. 2, 2, 624, uh,

2778
03:19:44,102 --> 03:19:48,161
2, 624 sages. That tells us the lot of pushback.

2779
03:19:48,161 --> 03:19:53,201
I'm going to respectfully suggest that there's no public support

2780
03:19:53,542 --> 03:19:57,441
whatsoever for this. For this particular project, in this particular

2781
03:19:57,702 --> 03:20:05,510
location. Thank you. Um, seeing if the questions from Council.

2782
03:20:08,213 --> 03:20:11,072
No, just one for me. Mr. Polarina, your name did

2783
03:20:11,112 --> 03:20:14,272
look familiar. Do I have it correct that you've provided

2784
03:20:14,533 --> 03:20:18,272
a few written responses to council over the last couple

2785
03:20:18,272 --> 03:20:20,752
of months? And we received one today too. Is that

2786
03:20:20,752 --> 03:20:25,232
correct? Yes. That's correct. And I want to thank Council.

2787
03:20:25,232 --> 03:20:28,432
I have had an opportunity to have my sea. I've

2788
03:20:28,432 --> 03:20:31,574
been involved in this thing all along. I have nothing

2789
03:20:31,675 --> 03:20:35,382
personal against anybody here. Not at all. Yeah. I wanted

2790
03:20:35,382 --> 03:20:38,582
to, um, according to the rules, I get my point

2791
03:20:38,622 --> 03:20:40,342
across with a question. And so I would just say

2792
03:20:40,683 --> 03:20:43,302
in future, you should add your email address and your

2793
03:20:43,342 --> 03:20:45,062
phone number so that we can get back to you.

2794
03:20:45,323 --> 03:20:48,502
I don't have any online presence. Well, then there you

2795
03:20:48,502 --> 03:20:53,206
go. Oh, sorry. Mary Boschkoff has a question. Yes. Uh,

2796
03:20:53,327 --> 03:20:59,487
Mr. Polderene, uh, your points from a planning standpoint. Are

2797
03:20:59,527 --> 03:21:05,167
appreciated notwithstanding that. Do you think there will still be

2798
03:21:05,348 --> 03:21:10,687
demand for people who want to live in the plan

2799
03:21:10,727 --> 03:21:19,840
facility. In this particular facility. I think

2800
03:21:21,141 --> 03:21:24,560
that's not the, I don't, Remite, that's not the issue.

2801
03:21:24,560 --> 03:21:26,960
Cause this project could be built somewhere else. Okay. It

2802
03:21:26,960 --> 03:21:28,400
doesn't have to be in a Rundall Street. We have

2803
03:21:28,440 --> 03:21:31,260
lots of land. And if this building, we're built, for

2804
03:21:31,260 --> 03:21:40,160
example, in the central avenue development area people, would probably

2805
03:21:41,461 --> 03:21:44,000
want to live in those apartment buildings if they can

2806
03:21:44,040 --> 03:21:49,346
afford it. All right. Well, I appreciate. I was, I

2807
03:21:49,367 --> 03:21:52,466
was just, you made some accurate points in terms of

2808
03:21:52,727 --> 03:21:55,506
walkability and stuff. So I was, uh, I was concerned

2809
03:21:55,506 --> 03:21:58,961
about. Thank you. Thank you for your deputation. I'll ask

2810
03:21:59,001 --> 03:22:04,669
you to retire to the gallery. And next up on

2811
03:22:04,690 --> 03:22:09,469
our list is Ernie Catanen. I apologise. If I have

2812
03:22:09,469 --> 03:22:19,338
that incorrect, these pronounced. Ernie Catanen. Welcome. I see the

2813
03:22:19,338 --> 03:22:21,578
mic is on. Again, I'll reiterate if you could please

2814
03:22:21,999 --> 03:22:25,818
bring forward any new information or new concerns that hasn't

2815
03:22:25,818 --> 03:22:30,058
previously been said already. Please introduce yourself and you have

2816
03:22:30,399 --> 03:22:36,568
10 minutes. Thank you very much. My name is Ernie

2817
03:22:36,829 --> 03:22:42,162
Katainen. I am a lifetime resident of the City of

2818
03:22:42,343 --> 03:22:48,846
Thunder Bay. I grew up for the most part. After

2819
03:22:48,846 --> 03:22:53,190
the age of two in the current river area. It's

2820
03:22:53,291 --> 03:23:00,158
beautiful and wonderful area. And it is with Boulevard Lake

2821
03:23:00,198 --> 03:23:02,558
there and everything. It's a real gym for the city.

2822
03:23:05,629 --> 03:23:09,368
And I think, and of course, this is my, just

2823
03:23:09,368 --> 03:23:13,368
my own opinion, but I think that building anything on

2824
03:23:13,408 --> 03:23:17,388
that green space is not going to. Increase the value

2825
03:23:17,428 --> 03:23:21,308
of this gym. Quite the opposite is going to degrade

2826
03:23:21,308 --> 03:23:27,822
it. This whole, uh, area is a wonderful and beautiful

2827
03:23:27,923 --> 03:23:31,342
area. And we should do everything we can to preserve

2828
03:23:31,342 --> 03:23:34,462
it. But what I was going to say is the

2829
03:23:34,563 --> 03:23:37,342
world in general is in a really difficult situation right

2830
03:23:37,342 --> 03:23:40,342
now because we have a lot of serious problems. We

2831
03:23:40,342 --> 03:23:43,182
got forests are burning. We got floods. We got hurricanes

2832
03:23:43,203 --> 03:23:48,257
that are super hurricanes. And everything gets tied in, even

2833
03:23:48,257 --> 03:23:51,697
a little city like this on the worldwide scope of

2834
03:23:51,697 --> 03:23:56,031
things. Is we must do our thing to be able

2835
03:23:56,031 --> 03:24:01,471
to preserve nature and have, have, uh, a world for

2836
03:24:01,492 --> 03:24:07,893
our children, our grandchildren to live in. People have spoken

2837
03:24:07,933 --> 03:24:13,653
about, uh, ecosystem and everything else like this. I don't

2838
03:24:13,653 --> 03:24:15,393
know if a few people are aware of this, but

2839
03:24:16,794 --> 03:24:21,773
every minute, every minute of every day, the worldwide, we

2840
03:24:21,773 --> 03:24:27,430
are losing. A football fields worth of space. Because it's

2841
03:24:27,470 --> 03:24:31,270
been cut down for various reasons. Mr. Katana, could you

2842
03:24:31,270 --> 03:24:34,427
back up from the mic just a little bit. Thank

2843
03:24:34,427 --> 03:24:38,678
you. Okay. Thank you. Uh, we're losing a lot of

2844
03:24:38,779 --> 03:24:44,494
space because of development or so - called development. They

2845
03:24:44,515 --> 03:24:50,014
estimate that we are losing every year 20, 000 different

2846
03:24:50,195 --> 03:24:57,031
species every year. And I implore to you people. I

2847
03:24:57,031 --> 03:25:03,871
implore Boschkoff and City Council. Please, please do the right

2848
03:25:03,892 --> 03:25:08,031
thing. Do not start chopping down forests. If there are

2849
03:25:08,071 --> 03:25:12,351
other places we can build these facilities, we must by

2850
03:25:12,351 --> 03:25:15,791
all means go and build them in other places because

2851
03:25:15,831 --> 03:25:18,991
we do not know what's going to happen. If we,

2852
03:25:18,991 --> 03:25:22,511
if we start building that, whether other areas of that

2853
03:25:22,692 --> 03:25:29,391
whole area will be developed or so - called developed.

2854
03:25:29,391 --> 03:25:31,871
And the City, I think, will remain richer to have

2855
03:25:32,212 --> 03:25:36,424
more green space. Than, uh, than if we start chopping

2856
03:25:36,445 --> 03:25:38,904
it down. It's, it's just not right. If the other

2857
03:25:38,925 --> 03:25:40,824
places to build it by all means, we should be

2858
03:25:40,845 --> 03:25:45,322
building it in those other places. And, uh, I think

2859
03:25:45,503 --> 03:25:47,722
that it's the best thing that we can do is

2860
03:25:47,762 --> 03:25:51,802
to preserve these green spaces. They are, they are wonderful,

2861
03:25:51,802 --> 03:25:55,322
beautiful spaces. And that's what makes the City a beautiful

2862
03:25:55,343 --> 03:25:59,587
place. And I think we should, by, by all means

2863
03:26:01,688 --> 03:26:09,885
not. Degrade the City by taking away our green spaces.

2864
03:26:09,885 --> 03:26:11,725
And we don't know what's that's going to mean for

2865
03:26:11,765 --> 03:26:14,205
the rest of that area around Boulevard Lake to have

2866
03:26:14,205 --> 03:26:19,835
this development done, you know. Virtually everybody I've spoken to

2867
03:26:20,336 --> 03:26:24,309
is against this. Just as they were against this development

2868
03:26:24,330 --> 03:26:28,849
over at, uh, at the waterfront with those buildings, the

2869
03:26:28,849 --> 03:26:31,009
people who live around there. Right now I'll tell you

2870
03:26:31,009 --> 03:26:34,309
right now that's going to, in my opinion, that's going

2871
03:26:34,309 --> 03:26:38,602
to degrade the value of your property. So I would

2872
03:26:38,623 --> 03:26:43,802
urge you please to let the people decide, let the

2873
03:26:43,903 --> 03:26:45,642
parks are for all the people. They're not just for

2874
03:26:45,663 --> 03:26:49,882
the city council. They're not for developers or anybody else.

2875
03:26:49,922 --> 03:26:54,042
They belong to the city. And one, one city council

2876
03:26:54,143 --> 03:26:58,282
should not have the ability to make decisions that's going

2877
03:26:58,282 --> 03:27:02,042
to affect negatively the future of the City of Thunder

2878
03:27:02,143 --> 03:27:10,671
Bay. So I think that we should strive

2879
03:27:13,012 --> 03:27:17,951
to let the people decide either by plebiscite or just.

2880
03:27:19,254 --> 03:27:24,127
Delay this board right now. So that it becomes an

2881
03:27:24,228 --> 03:27:30,373
electoral issue. And I'm saying this not for myself. I'm

2882
03:27:30,373 --> 03:27:36,393
saying this for you. I'm saying this for the City,

2883
03:27:36,393 --> 03:27:38,633
the citizens of the City and Thunder Bay. I'm saying

2884
03:27:38,673 --> 03:27:41,753
this for your children. I'm saying this for your grandchildren.

2885
03:27:43,024 --> 03:27:47,243
Please do not do this because I think the City

2886
03:27:47,283 --> 03:27:54,277
will remain much more valuable, much more desirable. If we

2887
03:27:54,317 --> 03:27:58,517
keep our green space, it's just, it's just not right

2888
03:27:59,018 --> 03:28:01,966
in my opinion. So that's about all I have to

2889
03:28:01,987 --> 03:28:05,486
say. And I know everybody's probably getting very anxious to

2890
03:28:05,526 --> 03:28:08,366
get going. And we've got to continue on. So I

2891
03:28:08,387 --> 03:28:10,686
thank you very much for allowing me to just say

2892
03:28:10,947 --> 03:28:15,054
the few words that really concern me. And, uh, I

2893
03:28:15,054 --> 03:28:18,574
wish you people all well. And I certainly hope that

2894
03:28:18,595 --> 03:28:21,697
you make the right decision. Thank you very much. Thank

2895
03:28:21,737 --> 03:28:27,533
you. Um, looking around for questions from council. Mayor Boschkoff,

2896
03:28:27,533 --> 03:28:34,333
please. Thank you. Is it Mr. Kiten? Kitainen. Ketinen. Yes.

2897
03:28:35,954 --> 03:28:42,173
Uh, is your prime issue one of the height or

2898
03:28:42,213 --> 03:28:48,013
the number of units or the livability or just that

2899
03:28:48,514 --> 03:28:51,933
are just plain against it. So I'll give you that

2900
03:28:52,034 --> 03:28:56,973
range of. Well, I'm definitely against it. As far as

2901
03:28:56,994 --> 03:29:01,373
the height, I think that's the people there should decide

2902
03:29:01,394 --> 03:29:04,333
whether it should be built there, you know, but, but

2903
03:29:04,594 --> 03:29:06,893
it's a, it's an issue for all the people up

2904
03:29:06,914 --> 03:29:13,185
there. Because, uh, like I just live on Ogden Street

2905
03:29:13,206 --> 03:29:15,905
down there. I spend a lot of time walking down

2906
03:29:15,945 --> 03:29:18,225
back lanes and stuff like that. And they're in just

2907
03:29:18,225 --> 03:29:22,465
terrible condition. There's dirt and there's garbage and there's plants

2908
03:29:22,465 --> 03:29:25,345
growing up. There's potholes there. And they're just not well

2909
03:29:25,366 --> 03:29:28,145
taken care of. I think the city should would be

2910
03:29:28,145 --> 03:29:30,545
much better off to take care of what we have.

2911
03:29:32,959 --> 03:29:38,888
And develop. In areas where we could build high rises.

2912
03:29:38,888 --> 03:29:41,368
I'm not against high rises. We could develop. And but

2913
03:29:41,368 --> 03:29:44,168
I don't think that we should be cutting down green

2914
03:29:44,189 --> 03:29:48,825
spaces. I think it's just wrong. I appreciate your passion.

2915
03:29:48,825 --> 03:29:52,913
Thank you. Seeing no other questions. Thank you for your

2916
03:29:53,014 --> 03:29:56,273
deputation. I'll ask you retire to the gallery. Thank you.

2917
03:29:56,614 --> 03:29:59,073
And thank you. Thank you for listening to me ladies

2918
03:29:59,113 --> 03:30:05,140
and gentlemen. Next on our list, I only have first

2919
03:30:05,140 --> 03:30:12,182
name Stephanie. Thank you. The mic is still on. Again,

2920
03:30:12,222 --> 03:30:15,142
I'll reiterate my ask that you bring forward new information

2921
03:30:15,643 --> 03:30:18,422
or new concerns. Please introduce yourself and you have 10

2922
03:30:18,422 --> 03:30:22,769
minutes when you're ready. Good evening everybody. My name is

2923
03:30:22,790 --> 03:30:28,049
Stephanie Denelgo. I am born and raised in Thunder Bay.

2924
03:30:28,049 --> 03:30:31,940
I'm 50 years old now. I have chosen that I

2925
03:30:32,041 --> 03:30:34,820
want to live in this city. I've never moved out

2926
03:30:34,820 --> 03:30:37,540
of the city. And the reason why I have stayed

2927
03:30:37,580 --> 03:30:40,340
here, the only reason why I've stayed here is because

2928
03:30:40,380 --> 03:30:43,940
of the green spaces that we have and all the

2929
03:30:43,980 --> 03:30:50,417
beautiful places that surround the city. So I am a

2930
03:30:50,457 --> 03:30:54,924
nature girl. I go hiking almost every single day. I

2931
03:30:55,025 --> 03:30:59,398
will drive hours to get to a hiking place. And

2932
03:30:59,419 --> 03:31:04,438
what I can tell you is that area 791 a

2933
03:31:04,438 --> 03:31:08,358
rundow. I have, I think the only place I've ever

2934
03:31:08,459 --> 03:31:12,598
come across something so beautiful like that, that was so

2935
03:31:12,779 --> 03:31:16,038
biodiverse was in Poland when I was in an area

2936
03:31:16,059 --> 03:31:20,038
that had never been, you know, clear cut, had never

2937
03:31:20,078 --> 03:31:23,298
been developed. And you can see the natural beauty. And

2938
03:31:23,339 --> 03:31:29,218
people have spoken about the biodiversity of that area. And

2939
03:31:29,339 --> 03:31:33,698
we like was so important. Like I know a lot

2940
03:31:33,698 --> 03:31:35,558
of people don't go hiking. A lot of people don't

2941
03:31:35,598 --> 03:31:40,766
go walking. They stay within the city. But sorry, let

2942
03:31:40,766 --> 03:31:46,459
me get my train of thought back. A lot of

2943
03:31:46,499 --> 03:31:49,579
the other places that we can go to and go

2944
03:31:49,619 --> 03:31:53,179
for hikes and walks, those places that have been clear

2945
03:31:53,219 --> 03:31:55,939
cut, even if it was a hundred years ago, it

2946
03:31:56,000 --> 03:32:01,979
does not offer a biodiversity with several different ecosystems in

2947
03:32:02,019 --> 03:32:06,007
the way that 791 or Rundell does. And I'll tell

2948
03:32:06,007 --> 03:32:09,687
you that when I was at the Council meeting, that

2949
03:32:09,687 --> 03:32:11,767
was that current river. I don't know, maybe it was

2950
03:32:11,767 --> 03:32:17,619
a year ago. And it was standing room only. And

2951
03:32:18,700 --> 03:32:25,008
everyone there except for one person was against. Building there.

2952
03:32:25,859 --> 03:32:29,842
I am not opposed to building. There are a lot

2953
03:32:29,842 --> 03:32:32,822
of places that we can build, but we really need

2954
03:32:32,862 --> 03:32:37,142
to protect these areas. Because if, if we don't protect

2955
03:32:37,243 --> 03:32:43,142
them, like we are here speaking, but you all are

2956
03:32:43,243 --> 03:32:49,605
representing us. So when we look at the developer and

2957
03:32:49,626 --> 03:32:53,445
Councillor Attrini had told us that the developer wants that

2958
03:32:53,466 --> 03:33:00,085
area. So if we move forward with this, that quite

2959
03:33:00,125 --> 03:33:04,725
literally sets a black and white line of a precedent.

2960
03:33:06,375 --> 03:33:10,659
That developers have a say now. Because you can't go

2961
03:33:10,699 --> 03:33:13,219
back. Once we do something like that, we get rid

2962
03:33:13,259 --> 03:33:16,419
of this area that's very old. The paths are over

2963
03:33:16,459 --> 03:33:19,970
a hundred years old. We can't go back with that.

2964
03:33:22,079 --> 03:33:24,778
You know, and just using an analogy, like so the

2965
03:33:24,778 --> 03:33:27,498
developer wants that land. They say we want this and

2966
03:33:27,498 --> 03:33:30,778
look at how far we've come because a developer wants

2967
03:33:30,799 --> 03:33:35,738
this land. So using an analogy, when our teenagers say

2968
03:33:35,759 --> 03:33:38,378
that they want this or that, do we give them

2969
03:33:38,639 --> 03:33:44,865
everything they want? No. We don't. We use our intelligence.

2970
03:33:44,865 --> 03:33:49,265
When we make those kind of decisions. So the representative

2971
03:33:49,766 --> 03:33:53,665
for Terahlox, he was asked a question. And that was

2972
03:33:53,766 --> 03:34:00,824
about blasting the Canadian shield. So. I have a little

2973
03:34:00,824 --> 03:34:03,264
bit of experience with that. What I can say, I

2974
03:34:03,264 --> 03:34:07,990
grew up in the Stanley Park. Area. On Morgan Avenue.

2975
03:34:09,840 --> 03:34:12,779
So for those that don't know where Stanley Park is.

2976
03:34:12,779 --> 03:34:14,339
So that's a cross from the Thunder Bay Mall. So

2977
03:34:14,339 --> 03:34:16,379
that would be right across from O'Vaudi. It's a very

2978
03:34:16,400 --> 03:34:21,955
old neighbourhood. So living on Morgan Avenue, we had Landale

2979
03:34:21,995 --> 03:34:24,795
right across the street. And then later Landyal moved. So

2980
03:34:24,795 --> 03:34:31,075
they cut off Morgan Avenue. They moved Landale. Tim Hortons.

2981
03:34:31,075 --> 03:34:33,395
So I can tell you that they didn't do any

2982
03:34:33,496 --> 03:34:37,955
blasting over there. However, just developing over there, it went

2983
03:34:38,296 --> 03:34:42,835
three blocks back. So Morgan Avenue, Willroy Avenue, Sifton Avenue.

2984
03:34:42,936 --> 03:34:49,076
There were cracks in foundations. When they redid the road,

2985
03:34:49,076 --> 03:34:54,251
the same thing happened. There were cracks in foundations. You

2986
03:34:54,251 --> 03:34:58,171
know, so no one can say that blasting through the

2987
03:34:58,272 --> 03:35:02,971
Canadian shield is not going to cause massive, massive problems.

2988
03:35:04,354 --> 03:35:08,813
And why this is not coming forward to be discussed

2989
03:35:08,994 --> 03:35:17,637
or addressed literally ball goals my mind. Um, so I'm

2990
03:35:17,637 --> 03:35:19,557
just going to read a quote. It's only two sentences.

2991
03:35:22,105 --> 03:35:26,724
So look, okay. So there is no question that residents

2992
03:35:26,745 --> 03:35:30,313
care deeply about their parks and open spaces. This is

2993
03:35:30,353 --> 03:35:34,393
also true of city council and city administration who notably

2994
03:35:34,974 --> 03:35:38,713
are your neighbours too. Brian Hamilton wrote that. So he

2995
03:35:38,894 --> 03:35:44,371
publicly posted that on his personal page. So he wrote

2996
03:35:44,472 --> 03:35:48,531
that on behalf of all of you. So if that

2997
03:35:48,632 --> 03:35:53,971
is really true, then that means that you stand with

2998
03:35:54,011 --> 03:36:03,937
the people. Who. Must change that

2999
03:36:04,118 --> 03:36:08,897
decision and choose to build elsewhere because the other places.

3000
03:36:08,897 --> 03:36:12,897
I watched documentaries from the United States where they have

3001
03:36:13,718 --> 03:36:17,457
cities like Memphis, Tennessee that is so, so sad to

3002
03:36:17,497 --> 03:36:21,717
see how far down they've gone. But developers that really

3003
03:36:21,978 --> 03:36:24,837
care about people, they care about the culture. They have

3004
03:36:24,938 --> 03:36:28,677
come forward and started building and all these areas that

3005
03:36:29,018 --> 03:36:35,340
were derelict. And now it's, it's beautiful. You know, like

3006
03:36:35,361 --> 03:36:40,265
that exists. Like what I asked city council. Just to

3007
03:36:40,366 --> 03:36:44,505
explore if we know that there's certain cities in Canada

3008
03:36:45,006 --> 03:36:48,745
or in the United States that are successful with building

3009
03:36:48,926 --> 03:36:55,945
and redeveloping areas that are just so dilapidated. Why are

3010
03:36:55,945 --> 03:37:01,246
we not exploring those options. You know, and just to

3011
03:37:01,246 --> 03:37:04,474
speak about mental health for a minute. So we can

3012
03:37:04,514 --> 03:37:08,074
all agree. Mental health now as opposed to 20 years

3013
03:37:08,074 --> 03:37:11,114
ago where when I was young, it's a massive thing.

3014
03:37:11,114 --> 03:37:13,194
Lots of people have to take off time from work

3015
03:37:13,535 --> 03:37:18,314
for, for mental health. We all experience it. Stress, anxiety.

3016
03:37:18,314 --> 03:37:22,474
So when this came forward to build there, thousands and

3017
03:37:22,514 --> 03:37:27,754
thousands of people are experiencing some sort of mental health

3018
03:37:28,015 --> 03:37:31,834
over this. I am. I don't live in current river.

3019
03:37:33,282 --> 03:37:36,005
So no one can say I'm a nimby. I live

3020
03:37:36,045 --> 03:37:39,445
in the end, but that area is precious to me.

3021
03:37:39,445 --> 03:37:42,165
And I can tell you that I've walked there thousands

3022
03:37:42,266 --> 03:37:46,485
and thousands of times on my own with my children,

3023
03:37:46,485 --> 03:37:50,743
with my dogs. So I'm almost done here.

3024
03:37:57,405 --> 03:38:02,106
Nature is our future. And without nature, there is no

3025
03:38:02,127 --> 03:38:09,291
life and quite literally there is no future. I ask

3026
03:38:09,392 --> 03:38:13,131
that your decision regarding 791 a rundole is a true

3027
03:38:13,392 --> 03:38:18,971
representation of what your constituents hold dear two our hearts.

3028
03:38:20,613 --> 03:38:28,807
Thank you. Thank you. Looking for questions from Council, Mary

3029
03:38:28,847 --> 03:38:36,467
Boschko, please. Thank you very much for your presentation. Uh,

3030
03:38:37,788 --> 03:38:42,270
as someone who. Understands the hiking association and the walkability

3031
03:38:42,310 --> 03:38:46,110
of the city, uh, over the past number of years,

3032
03:38:46,110 --> 03:38:50,510
uh, our administration and all sorts of groups wrote the

3033
03:38:50,531 --> 03:38:53,710
community have done enormous amount of work in terms of

3034
03:38:53,811 --> 03:38:59,470
developing trails and booklets to make sure people, uh, knew

3035
03:38:59,491 --> 03:39:01,870
what the new walking paths are and all those kinds

3036
03:39:01,910 --> 03:39:09,230
of things. So why wouldn't I'm trying to figure out

3037
03:39:09,251 --> 03:39:13,070
how this development of people who want to live near

3038
03:39:13,411 --> 03:39:19,070
Boulevard Lake, uh, who want to walk there, uh, how,

3039
03:39:19,070 --> 03:39:22,910
how you would, why would that be perceived as a

3040
03:39:22,950 --> 03:39:25,550
detriment? Because to me, it would be an ideal place

3041
03:39:26,211 --> 03:39:31,250
in which to live. Well, you're forgetting the fact that

3042
03:39:32,951 --> 03:39:37,126
we would be getting rid of an area. That is

3043
03:39:37,227 --> 03:39:43,109
naturally biodiverse. So you're not talking about building in a

3044
03:39:43,109 --> 03:39:46,789
place that you don't have to get rid of all

3045
03:39:46,789 --> 03:39:51,189
these animals. Like we've discussed the birds we've discussed the

3046
03:39:51,530 --> 03:39:55,210
Grey Fox. Like I live 20 minutes away from there.

3047
03:39:55,210 --> 03:39:57,050
So 20 minutes there, 20 minutes back. Most people have

3048
03:39:57,151 --> 03:39:59,610
a vehicle nowadays, if not, you can write a bike,

3049
03:39:59,610 --> 03:40:01,770
you can walk. You can take a bus. If anyone

3050
03:40:01,791 --> 03:40:05,770
wants to go for hikes in current river, like me,

3051
03:40:05,791 --> 03:40:07,610
there's a means to do that. You don't have to

3052
03:40:07,610 --> 03:40:12,854
live there. Okay. I'll ask my question about what the

3053
03:40:12,955 --> 03:40:16,694
footprint of this building will be. So that's something that

3054
03:40:16,694 --> 03:40:19,254
you don't have to answer. So thank you. But we'll

3055
03:40:19,294 --> 03:40:22,054
get it answered before the night is done. Thank you.

3056
03:40:22,054 --> 03:40:26,050
Councillor Attorney. Thank you through the speaker. Um, so in

3057
03:40:26,050 --> 03:40:29,490
the design, the trail's not going away. And I appreciate

3058
03:40:29,751 --> 03:40:31,650
all the trails there. I live there for a period

3059
03:40:31,671 --> 03:40:34,530
of time. Um, but we were talking about, I was

3060
03:40:34,530 --> 03:40:35,810
going to, I thought the mayor was going to go

3061
03:40:35,850 --> 03:40:38,610
there with his question. Um, but you were really focused

3062
03:40:38,650 --> 03:40:40,610
on the trail piece. And I wasn't sure if you

3063
03:40:40,650 --> 03:40:43,150
were aware that the trail is not going away. The

3064
03:40:43,150 --> 03:40:45,634
trails will still all be there. The act of corridor

3065
03:40:45,634 --> 03:40:47,354
will be there and the trail is just going to

3066
03:40:47,354 --> 03:40:49,594
be rerouted. But all the trails are still going to

3067
03:40:49,594 --> 03:40:55,138
exist. Nothing's leaving. It's not just about the trails again.

3068
03:40:55,138 --> 03:40:57,778
It's about the biodiversity of the area and the animals

3069
03:40:57,959 --> 03:41:00,338
and the birds and the insects that live in those

3070
03:41:00,359 --> 03:41:06,886
ecosystems. Thank you. Very good seeing no other questions. Thank

3071
03:41:06,926 --> 03:41:10,236
you for your deputation. Lastly, retire to the gallery. Thank

3072
03:41:10,236 --> 03:41:14,609
you. Next up on the list is Dear Jaspane.

3073
03:41:22,158 --> 03:41:25,737
Good to see you again. Um, again, I'll reiterate that,

3074
03:41:25,737 --> 03:41:29,497
uh, we're asked to speak to new information or concerns.

3075
03:41:29,497 --> 03:41:32,057
Please introduce yourself and you'll have 10 minutes when you're

3076
03:41:32,057 --> 03:41:37,421
ready. Okay. Good evening Mayor and Councillors. And thank you

3077
03:41:37,421 --> 03:41:41,297
for your patience. I'm being pretty patient too. One of

3078
03:41:41,297 --> 03:41:46,497
the later speakers. And, uh, the associated or affiliated with

3079
03:41:47,238 --> 03:41:50,097
any of the groups. I'm here as a person who

3080
03:41:50,278 --> 03:41:54,337
cares deeply about the city's decisions and how they see

3081
03:41:54,377 --> 03:41:59,777
the future of Thunder Bay. I'm a taxpayer. I moved

3082
03:41:59,817 --> 03:42:03,297
to Thunder Bay 50 years ago. I lived in Windsor,

3083
03:42:03,297 --> 03:42:08,097
London and Ancaster. All beautiful places. And Thunder Bay had

3084
03:42:08,198 --> 03:42:12,977
the best and most beautiful parks. And I'm not talking

3085
03:42:13,078 --> 03:42:17,137
about the Lakehead Conservation areas where you have to pay

3086
03:42:17,718 --> 03:42:19,857
or you have to have a car to transport yourself

3087
03:42:20,038 --> 03:42:25,057
there. I'm talking about in the City, you could walk,

3088
03:42:25,057 --> 03:42:28,897
take a city bus, and they were all connected. Everything

3089
03:42:28,897 --> 03:42:36,257
from Trowbridge, Centennial Park, the behind the houses on Toledo

3090
03:42:36,257 --> 03:42:38,977
Street where there's now a beautiful meadow that if you

3091
03:42:39,017 --> 03:42:42,577
have never walked it in the fall when it turns

3092
03:42:42,918 --> 03:42:46,817
golden, you're missing out on something really beautiful. And it

3093
03:42:46,857 --> 03:42:50,177
connects, as you follow the trails along, it connects to

3094
03:42:50,358 --> 03:42:53,377
Boulevard and you can go all around there. And that's

3095
03:42:53,718 --> 03:42:58,257
a precious, beautiful area. By building a huge high -

3096
03:42:58,257 --> 03:43:01,057
rise apartment. And by the way, the ones that the

3097
03:43:01,097 --> 03:43:08,721
waterfront, they're seven stories high. Okay. But by, by, um,

3098
03:43:09,962 --> 03:43:14,021
going ahead with this proposal that you have the responsibility

3099
03:43:14,362 --> 03:43:19,701
to vote on is something that I think diminishes and

3100
03:43:19,722 --> 03:43:24,181
destroys the very essence of what makes Thunder Bay a

3101
03:43:24,181 --> 03:43:29,301
tourist destination. And I say that because I've brought people,

3102
03:43:29,301 --> 03:43:33,261
um, friends and family, my uncle lived in Louisiana. He

3103
03:43:33,322 --> 03:43:38,421
came and he was 85 years old. He walked all

3104
03:43:38,461 --> 03:43:41,861
through the trails. He walked for an hour all by

3105
03:43:41,861 --> 03:43:45,681
himself. It was like a spiritual meditation for him. And

3106
03:43:45,681 --> 03:43:49,301
he said, wow, you're so lucky. And you can just

3107
03:43:49,482 --> 03:43:54,206
walk here. And you don't even have to pay. And

3108
03:43:54,227 --> 03:43:57,806
that's something that's really important for people to understand is

3109
03:43:57,806 --> 03:44:00,876
the paying part. Now the other thing that I wanted

3110
03:44:00,916 --> 03:44:08,236
to mention is I think, um, with all sincere humility,

3111
03:44:08,236 --> 03:44:15,596
I would say the people on Council, 360 units. That's

3112
03:44:15,596 --> 03:44:20,615
at least 360 cars or trucks. Now, have you ever

3113
03:44:20,615 --> 03:44:23,575
been by Oliver Road and looked at the parking lot

3114
03:44:24,076 --> 03:44:29,157
for the hospital. They're supposed to be putting some of

3115
03:44:29,157 --> 03:44:34,674
these underground, it says. That's a huge amount of traffic.

3116
03:44:34,674 --> 03:44:37,474
Have you ever ridden your bike along the bike trails?

3117
03:44:37,474 --> 03:44:40,034
I don't mean the bike trail around boulevard. I mean

3118
03:44:40,074 --> 03:44:42,674
the one that the city established and put money into

3119
03:44:43,175 --> 03:44:45,794
with all these other groups to have the bike trails

3120
03:44:45,794 --> 03:44:48,354
go across the City from the other end of town

3121
03:44:48,535 --> 03:44:54,149
all the way across the city. I mean, you're looking

3122
03:44:54,149 --> 03:44:57,429
at something on, on that street with the traffic pattern

3123
03:44:57,450 --> 03:45:03,130
that's going to create a real, a real danger. And,

3124
03:45:03,130 --> 03:45:06,250
um, when they talk about the area of a rendel

3125
03:45:06,290 --> 03:45:10,170
street that accesses according to the map, the planning map

3126
03:45:10,170 --> 03:45:13,370
on a flat surface, it looks pretty, doesn't it? Well,

3127
03:45:13,391 --> 03:45:17,450
I would challenge anyone who hasn't actually walked around and

3128
03:45:17,471 --> 03:45:22,090
looked, a rendell Street is a raise Street. It's raised

3129
03:45:22,130 --> 03:45:25,630
because there's a deraneage of water. And the streams under

3130
03:45:25,651 --> 03:45:29,070
there that go all the way down to Boulevard. Okay.

3131
03:45:29,571 --> 03:45:33,630
So the road is up high and there's huge ditches

3132
03:45:33,670 --> 03:45:39,015
on either side. There's huge cypress trees along that absorb

3133
03:45:39,015 --> 03:45:41,875
the water for most of the water along there. But

3134
03:45:43,176 --> 03:45:47,635
are they considering that? Um, so there's drainage, high ditches.

3135
03:45:47,635 --> 03:45:51,635
And the services. So this is another example as I

3136
03:45:51,635 --> 03:45:59,357
see it. Where the taxpayers are paying rather than the

3137
03:45:59,538 --> 03:46:03,997
city working out with developers and saying, Hey, developers, what

3138
03:46:03,997 --> 03:46:07,357
can you do for the City of Thunder Bay within

3139
03:46:07,357 --> 03:46:14,055
our plan, our beautiful plan. The no services. Who's going

3140
03:46:14,055 --> 03:46:18,695
to pay for all the sewers? Who's going to pay

3141
03:46:18,735 --> 03:46:24,935
for all the traffic modifications? And, um, with all due

3142
03:46:24,935 --> 03:46:28,215
respect, uh, Ms. Attraney, but when you said the trails

3143
03:46:28,255 --> 03:46:30,855
aren't going to be changed, maybe you haven't been on

3144
03:46:30,956 --> 03:46:35,175
the trails in a while. It's called, um, The Health

3145
03:46:35,196 --> 03:46:38,775
Corridor, the integrated health corridor. And they have all the

3146
03:46:38,876 --> 03:46:41,015
trails that have been paved. And then they have some

3147
03:46:41,055 --> 03:46:43,415
that are the dirt trails that people use as well.

3148
03:46:43,415 --> 03:46:46,455
They all connect in. There is no way that you

3149
03:46:46,476 --> 03:46:51,895
can have, um, a health corridor for people safely when

3150
03:46:51,895 --> 03:46:53,815
you've got to cut through the back. I saw that

3151
03:46:53,916 --> 03:46:56,641
plan. Like you're going to pave a new trail to

3152
03:46:57,062 --> 03:47:00,561
a rendel. Like have you been to that corner? Tibete

3153
03:47:00,601 --> 03:47:03,441
Transit makes the turn at the corner. Then they had

3154
03:47:03,441 --> 03:47:07,681
to put in the electric flashing light crossing for the

3155
03:47:07,702 --> 03:47:12,001
seniors and the other apartment there. And I'm telling you,

3156
03:47:12,001 --> 03:47:15,601
if you go there and walk, nobody walks that way.

3157
03:47:15,601 --> 03:47:20,161
They all try to go through the city, uh, pathways.

3158
03:47:20,161 --> 03:47:25,681
They cut through the, um, this property at 971 Rundell

3159
03:47:25,681 --> 03:47:28,881
Street. They cut through there to get into Boulevard or

3160
03:47:28,902 --> 03:47:31,281
to get a so they don't have to walk in

3161
03:47:31,281 --> 03:47:34,081
a rental. It's, it's not an easy thing. And saying

3162
03:47:34,121 --> 03:47:36,321
you're going to put in a sidewalk. My God, you

3163
03:47:36,321 --> 03:47:38,481
know how much money that's going to cost. They couldn't

3164
03:47:38,481 --> 03:47:40,721
even put the sidewalk all the way up to Lito

3165
03:47:40,761 --> 03:47:45,201
Street. So I have a lot of concerns about this.

3166
03:47:45,201 --> 03:47:48,001
I also think of tourists. I mean, when people come

3167
03:47:48,022 --> 03:47:50,881
to Thunder Bay, they like the nature. They like going

3168
03:47:50,921 --> 03:47:54,561
to the park. They say, Oh, them arenas. You say,

3169
03:47:54,561 --> 03:47:57,201
Oh, well, let's go to the sleeping giant. That smiles

3170
03:47:57,201 --> 03:47:59,921
away. That's a provincial park. It got to pay money.

3171
03:47:59,921 --> 03:48:02,401
Okay. Let's go to Cabecca. Oh, you got to have

3172
03:48:02,441 --> 03:48:04,241
a car. You got to pay my need to go

3173
03:48:04,241 --> 03:48:07,761
there. You've got now the waterfront, whether or not you

3174
03:48:07,761 --> 03:48:11,441
like the condos there, whatever, but you've got, um, an

3175
03:48:11,481 --> 03:48:15,601
area for people to congregate. You've got boulevard Lake Park

3176
03:48:16,422 --> 03:48:20,641
all connected in. It's all a huge, big, beautiful area.

3177
03:48:20,641 --> 03:48:24,081
And it should be promoted. There's so many wonderful things

3178
03:48:25,702 --> 03:48:28,881
that when Mr. Amale talked about things people can do.

3179
03:48:28,881 --> 03:48:34,461
Like, you know, like, um, the imagination and creativity. And

3180
03:48:34,461 --> 03:48:37,341
the lots of money in Thunder Bay too. And, um,

3181
03:48:37,622 --> 03:48:40,561
I'll just, uh, I don't have it, but I know

3182
03:48:40,582 --> 03:48:43,841
some people do. I was a little worried when I

3183
03:48:43,841 --> 03:48:47,761
heard someone talk about realigning a road around lying boulevard.

3184
03:48:47,761 --> 03:48:50,481
Are you kidding me? The speed limits, uh, let's see

3185
03:48:50,502 --> 03:48:53,921
30 kilometers an hour. It's a park road. It's a

3186
03:48:53,961 --> 03:48:58,684
park. All right. A parks for people. It's for relaxing.

3187
03:48:58,684 --> 03:49:02,124
It's for having, um, like when they talked about mental

3188
03:49:02,145 --> 03:49:05,724
health things and how, you know, for stress and any

3189
03:49:05,724 --> 03:49:08,204
kind of, uh, you know, have people with addictions and

3190
03:49:08,305 --> 03:49:09,804
all the rest of it. And they say, take a

3191
03:49:09,985 --> 03:49:15,101
walk in nature. Forest bathe. Right. Well, that's what we

3192
03:49:15,282 --> 03:49:19,331
have now. Why don't we promote that. Why don't we

3193
03:49:19,432 --> 03:49:23,331
take the beautiful meadow area and make it even more

3194
03:49:23,352 --> 03:49:27,726
beautiful. As part of that. There's lots of places to

3195
03:49:27,747 --> 03:49:30,446
build apartments. And I got to tell you, people want

3196
03:49:30,627 --> 03:49:34,686
houses. The people, those, those apartments, I looked at them

3197
03:49:34,787 --> 03:49:36,846
and they're going to look like those terror looks or

3198
03:49:36,846 --> 03:49:42,686
whatever they are on golfings rode their cross from near

3199
03:49:42,686 --> 03:49:44,686
the, before you get to the hospital. They put a

3200
03:49:44,686 --> 03:49:46,926
traffic light in there. And I bet you it wasn't

3201
03:49:46,966 --> 03:49:49,326
the developer who paid for that traffic light is the

3202
03:49:49,366 --> 03:49:53,455
taxpayer. And some other ideas for the City of Thunder

3203
03:49:53,556 --> 03:49:55,775
Bay, like you keep it moving the city farther out

3204
03:49:56,036 --> 03:49:58,655
and wanting people to have busts, the sidewalks, but they

3205
03:49:58,655 --> 03:50:02,135
don't want the developer to pay for it. So that

3206
03:50:02,175 --> 03:50:04,375
was just an aside on that. Sorry. I'll stick to

3207
03:50:04,415 --> 03:50:12,606
the topic. Okay. So, um, that's how I see it.

3208
03:50:12,606 --> 03:50:18,846
I echo everyone who spoke. I thought everyone was awesome.

3209
03:50:18,846 --> 03:50:22,846
I echo all their comments and sentiments and all their

3210
03:50:22,947 --> 03:50:27,886
professionalism and expertise. And I would say to people here,

3211
03:50:27,886 --> 03:50:31,246
I hope that you understand that people have taken a

3212
03:50:31,246 --> 03:50:33,966
lot of their time and effort just to make it

3213
03:50:33,966 --> 03:50:37,406
here. I feel this is really rushed. I didn't even,

3214
03:50:37,406 --> 03:50:40,046
when I first heard about this, I thought, Oh, something,

3215
03:50:40,046 --> 03:50:41,886
you know, whatever. And it seems to be really pushing,

3216
03:50:41,926 --> 03:50:44,846
pushing, rushing on it. You do not have to make

3217
03:50:45,347 --> 03:50:49,006
decision. Here's my one minute remaining. Okay. I'm not against

3218
03:50:49,427 --> 03:50:53,849
change housing development. I'm about the future of our children,

3219
03:50:53,849 --> 03:50:57,369
community, the City, the Quality of Life. It's about a

3220
03:50:57,409 --> 03:51:02,392
vision. Okay. Make it a haven for wellness. It's about

3221
03:51:02,653 --> 03:51:08,218
preservation of a precious resource. And I will say, please

3222
03:51:08,218 --> 03:51:11,658
consider thoughtfully and carefully your vote. I really appreciate your

3223
03:51:11,679 --> 03:51:15,418
patience and tolerance for listening to everyone. And I would

3224
03:51:15,458 --> 03:51:18,778
also like to leave with a Joni Mitchell quote. Pave

3225
03:51:18,799 --> 03:51:22,138
paradise. You don't know what you got. Pave paradise and

3226
03:51:22,138 --> 03:51:25,018
put up a parking lot. Only this time it's for

3227
03:51:25,599 --> 03:51:28,938
multiple apartments. So I hope it's not. Thank you very

3228
03:51:28,978 --> 03:51:36,384
much. Thank you. Any questions from Council. Sing none. Thank

3229
03:51:36,384 --> 03:51:39,344
you for your deputation. Uh, ask the retire to the

3230
03:51:39,605 --> 03:51:42,944
gallery. Next on the list is Zach White.

3231
03:51:50,929 --> 03:51:53,068
You see the mic is on. So again, I'll reiterate

3232
03:51:53,068 --> 03:51:57,548
the ask that you please don't repeat said information or

3233
03:51:57,649 --> 03:52:01,148
concerns. Please do introduce yourself and you'll have 10 minutes

3234
03:52:01,409 --> 03:52:04,508
when you begin. Sounds great. Uh, my name is Zach

3235
03:52:04,609 --> 03:52:06,508
White and I live on the corner of Toledo in

3236
03:52:06,508 --> 03:52:08,588
a Rundell. It's been a long night. I appreciate everyone's

3237
03:52:08,689 --> 03:52:11,548
patience after nearly 20 people. There's not much new information

3238
03:52:12,289 --> 03:52:15,426
to say. So I'll be keeping it pretty brief. Um,

3239
03:52:16,087 --> 03:52:18,626
I did do a deputation back in December when this

3240
03:52:18,626 --> 03:52:21,106
first came out. And I wanted to briefly commend the

3241
03:52:21,146 --> 03:52:23,186
planning administration on some of the changes that were made

3242
03:52:23,186 --> 03:52:27,586
from the initial proposal. Um, moving the 11 metre buffer

3243
03:52:27,626 --> 03:52:29,906
is very nice and addresses some of the encroachments on

3244
03:52:29,906 --> 03:52:32,626
the property owners along Toledo. The setback of the building

3245
03:52:32,807 --> 03:52:37,506
44 metres from the property line is nice, good distance.

3246
03:52:37,506 --> 03:52:39,186
The orientation of the buildings with the majority of the

3247
03:52:39,207 --> 03:52:42,066
building being on the East part of Property Line away

3248
03:52:42,106 --> 03:52:45,506
from to the Residence to leado residents is nice. And,

3249
03:52:45,506 --> 03:52:48,386
uh, the end face of the building closest to the

3250
03:52:48,407 --> 03:52:51,266
residents on the latest rendering doesn't have any balconies unlimited

3251
03:52:51,287 --> 03:52:54,706
windows. So the real efforts to accommodate the comments that

3252
03:52:54,706 --> 03:52:55,986
have been made so far. And I want to recognise

3253
03:52:56,247 --> 03:52:59,666
those and appreciate those from, from everything that's been done.

3254
03:52:59,666 --> 03:53:03,186
Um, in terms of the remaining concerns that I have,

3255
03:53:03,186 --> 03:53:06,706
much have already been touched on, uh, the traffic study,

3256
03:53:06,706 --> 03:53:09,746
again, the corner of Hudson and Huron and Hurrion and

3257
03:53:09,786 --> 03:53:12,386
Balsam. That's where all that traffic goes. The traffic study

3258
03:53:12,386 --> 03:53:16,866
focused on Toledo and Rundle intersection. Not many cars turned

3259
03:53:16,866 --> 03:53:18,946
there. Most are going to that four - way stop.

3260
03:53:18,946 --> 03:53:21,186
So I'd want to see some more investigation there, which

3261
03:53:21,186 --> 03:53:26,466
might happen through site plant control later. Um, the keeping

3262
03:53:26,506 --> 03:53:30,226
the character of the neighbourhood, the Stantec rationale memo mentioned

3263
03:53:30,226 --> 03:53:33,666
that it would be about three stories taller than the

3264
03:53:33,706 --> 03:53:36,866
apartment buildings across the street. So that's, I would think

3265
03:53:37,047 --> 03:53:41,586
of keeping in line with the neighbouring properties would keep

3266
03:53:41,767 --> 03:53:43,906
it similar height, not three stories taller. So maybe a

3267
03:53:43,906 --> 03:53:46,546
little bit lower would be good. Um, the blasting has

3268
03:53:46,546 --> 03:53:50,146
been brought up, obviously being on Toledo concerned about any

3269
03:53:50,167 --> 03:53:54,066
potential damage to the basement there. Um, and that's basically

3270
03:53:54,487 --> 03:53:57,906
at everything else has been covered. I've closely followed the

3271
03:53:57,906 --> 03:54:01,026
progression of the proposal. I've read every documentation from Stantech

3272
03:54:01,066 --> 03:54:03,906
and others. And the question here is not about if

3273
03:54:03,906 --> 03:54:06,626
something can be built on this site or if it

3274
03:54:06,626 --> 03:54:09,106
can be engineered on this site. The question is if

3275
03:54:09,127 --> 03:54:14,226
it should be built on this particular site. So that's

3276
03:54:14,226 --> 03:54:17,792
it. Keep it brief. Everyone else has been mentioned. Thank

3277
03:54:17,792 --> 03:54:24,325
you. Any questions. Well please. Hi. Uh, thank you speaker.

3278
03:54:24,325 --> 03:54:27,845
So what you are looking at, if I can survive,

3279
03:54:27,845 --> 03:54:31,345
you would like it tweet three stories similar to, uh,

3280
03:54:32,266 --> 03:54:37,400
Toledo 500 Toledo. Or sorry, that's four stories. Yeah. Across

3281
03:54:37,421 --> 03:54:39,800
the street, Department of Building Lacrosse the Street. One of

3282
03:54:39,800 --> 03:54:41,720
the goals was to keep it in line with the

3283
03:54:41,760 --> 03:54:45,080
existing neighbourhood. This would be three stories taller first antext

3284
03:54:45,120 --> 03:54:48,385
report. Than Department Building across the street. So smaller would

3285
03:54:48,385 --> 03:54:51,345
be good. Ideally there'd be nothing but if there is

3286
03:54:51,345 --> 03:54:55,926
something that would be improved as well. Okay. Thank you.

3287
03:54:58,249 --> 03:55:01,188
Thank you. See new other questions. Ask your retired to

3288
03:55:01,188 --> 03:55:05,348
the gallery. Uh, next on the list is Helen Leba.

3289
03:55:10,089 --> 03:55:16,591
Looking for Helen Leba. One more time for Helen Leba.

3290
03:55:20,704 --> 03:55:29,240
Next on the list is Maria. I apologise. Casasola. Maria

3291
03:55:29,741 --> 03:55:37,480
Casasola. One more time for Maria Casasola. No. And that

3292
03:55:37,480 --> 03:55:41,869
completes our list, correct? Yeah. Right. So now I'll go

3293
03:55:41,869 --> 03:55:49,149
to the second call for speakers on 791 a rundown.

3294
03:55:49,149 --> 03:55:59,005
Come forward, please. Thank you. Uh, I see the mic

3295
03:55:59,026 --> 03:56:03,005
is on. Please introduce yourself and you'll have 10 minutes.

3296
03:56:03,005 --> 03:56:06,685
All right. I'll be very fast. Um, my name is

3297
03:56:06,786 --> 03:56:14,637
Andre Gagne. And, um. So Coran River has roughly a

3298
03:56:14,677 --> 03:56:19,917
900 people per square kilometer. According to statistic Canada, uh,

3299
03:56:20,258 --> 03:56:23,597
and for comparison, Northwood has 2, 000 people per square

3300
03:56:23,698 --> 03:56:28,157
kilometer. The city's densification strategy is in part intended to

3301
03:56:28,157 --> 03:56:33,437
address our infrastructure deficit. Like our severe infrastructure deficit. Given

3302
03:56:33,437 --> 03:56:36,877
that disparity and density, I find it incredibly frustrating that

3303
03:56:37,058 --> 03:56:39,597
an area of the City with considerably more green space

3304
03:56:39,778 --> 03:56:42,237
would be unwilling to contribute some of that land toward

3305
03:56:42,258 --> 03:56:46,717
responsibly addressing a problem that affects the entire city. In

3306
03:56:46,757 --> 03:56:49,277
my view, Council needs to support this agenda item and

3307
03:56:49,277 --> 03:56:52,237
the next one together or oppose them both. Anything else

3308
03:56:52,498 --> 03:57:02,141
is not equitable. Thank you. Thank you. Any questions.

3309
03:57:03,812 --> 03:57:12,191
Mayor Boschkop, please. You've made a pretty dramatic statement in

3310
03:57:12,191 --> 03:57:20,197
terms of, uh, understanding, um. That, uh, more people in

3311
03:57:20,197 --> 03:57:27,777
the building doesn't necessarily create a population explosion. So, uh.

3312
03:57:30,373 --> 03:57:32,672
The people seem to be more concerned with the height

3313
03:57:33,173 --> 03:57:36,644
and perhaps the traffic. And what it might do to

3314
03:57:36,905 --> 03:57:39,924
the view scape. So how would you answer those people.

3315
03:57:41,935 --> 03:57:45,097
Well. I mean, the trade - off to all decisions

3316
03:57:45,438 --> 03:57:47,897
that you have to make, um, there's been a pretty

3317
03:57:47,897 --> 03:57:53,703
big effort by this council. To really, um, geared towards

3318
03:57:53,724 --> 03:58:00,961
growth. And, um, and address the infrastructure deficit. So.

3319
03:58:02,827 --> 03:58:05,366
Like, there are people, like the people in this room

3320
03:58:05,406 --> 03:58:07,686
are going to be the most affected by this decision.

3321
03:58:07,686 --> 03:58:12,566
And it's a difficult thing. But, um, but like consider

3322
03:58:13,147 --> 03:58:15,686
who loses when we don't address our infrastructure needs. I

3323
03:58:15,686 --> 03:58:17,766
mean, the places that are the most dense are almost

3324
03:58:17,806 --> 03:58:23,893
lifting up, um. Other areas, like some areas, I don't

3325
03:58:23,893 --> 03:58:28,533
know if I'm answering your question. Is that, uh, does

3326
03:58:28,573 --> 03:58:31,013
that answer your question at all? Well, I think that

3327
03:58:31,034 --> 03:58:33,893
the concern of the neighbourhood is the carrying capacity of

3328
03:58:34,074 --> 03:58:38,933
a, of another structure, but it seemed the mathematics of

3329
03:58:38,973 --> 03:58:43,093
the acreage means that it probably could. So my question

3330
03:58:43,194 --> 03:58:46,693
to you is it seems that you're leaning towards that

3331
03:58:46,794 --> 03:58:51,253
way. I don't know. Well, I think it's my, my

3332
03:58:51,293 --> 03:58:55,252
support would be conditional. I mean, there's another item. I

3333
03:58:55,252 --> 03:58:58,412
don't know what the rules are of talking about. But

3334
03:58:58,833 --> 03:59:01,212
they're all kind of, I can't. Yeah. So I'm not,

3335
03:59:01,212 --> 03:59:04,012
I'm not trying to, but I see them as part

3336
03:59:04,012 --> 03:59:05,932
of the same plan right there on the same night.

3337
03:59:08,008 --> 03:59:13,634
And, um. It just doesn't seem fair. When there's such

3338
03:59:13,634 --> 03:59:18,354
a disparity in density and density will resolve or will

3339
03:59:18,394 --> 03:59:24,594
help improve our infrastructure deficit because the more concentration of,

3340
03:59:24,594 --> 03:59:30,754
uh, taxable area, the more, the better economics for servicing

3341
03:59:31,095 --> 03:59:33,234
the area. Right. Cause if you have more people concentrating

3342
03:59:33,274 --> 03:59:36,754
in a smaller area. So, um, so there's winners and

3343
03:59:36,794 --> 03:59:39,623
losers with all decisions. Um, and you want to make

3344
03:59:39,964 --> 03:59:43,703
the best. I'd see the best and highest utility decision

3345
03:59:43,884 --> 03:59:47,223
is to, is densification. And this has been the direction

3346
03:59:47,263 --> 03:59:50,743
of council. But I, and I appreciate everything that everyone

3347
03:59:51,004 --> 03:59:52,743
here has said. And I know the costs and they're

3348
03:59:52,743 --> 03:59:56,323
the ones who are carrying it. Um, and it's, um,

3349
03:59:56,444 --> 03:59:59,623
but it's a tough. It's always, it's just tough no

3350
03:59:59,623 --> 04:00:02,163
matter which way you go, but I think the, um,

3351
04:00:02,924 --> 04:00:09,657
the densification is a sound strategy. To really improve our

3352
04:00:09,657 --> 04:00:15,346
infrastructure situation. Um, that's just what I believe. No, thank

3353
04:00:15,346 --> 04:00:21,172
you very much for that. Thank you. See no other

3354
04:00:21,193 --> 04:00:23,572
questions. Lastly, we retired to the gallery. I'll continue with

3355
04:00:23,673 --> 04:00:33,599
my second call for speakers. Sing nobody, I will go

3356
04:00:33,639 --> 04:00:39,507
to my third and final call for speakers. Third and

3357
04:00:39,547 --> 04:00:43,485
final call for speakers. They're in fond call for a

3358
04:00:43,485 --> 04:00:48,925
speaker. Um, David Kirk Walters. So next on this topic

3359
04:00:49,026 --> 04:00:53,725
is essentially asking questions of administration or the applicant, correct?

3360
04:00:54,707 --> 04:00:57,486
Okay. Uh, I'm getting the nod that we'll have questions

3361
04:00:58,227 --> 04:01:01,566
first for the applicant. So if we could have the

3362
04:01:01,747 --> 04:01:06,156
applicant, uh, make their way to the desk. And we'll

3363
04:01:06,156 --> 04:01:11,436
open it up for, uh, questions. We have one round.

3364
04:01:11,436 --> 04:01:13,756
Three questions or five minutes on this. If there are

3365
04:01:13,756 --> 04:01:21,319
any questions for the applicant and administration. Mayor Boschkov.

3366
04:01:24,562 --> 04:01:33,181
You've heard that the vast majority of the citizens making

3367
04:01:33,221 --> 04:01:40,221
comments feel that this is an overdevelopment in its proximity

3368
04:01:41,442 --> 04:01:45,901
to the lake itself. So you probably, it's a three

3369
04:01:45,922 --> 04:01:50,041
part question in terms of capacity of the building. Um,

3370
04:01:51,202 --> 04:01:55,288
impact on the lake. And is there any possibility in

3371
04:01:55,288 --> 04:01:59,934
terms of either height or size of the building. So

3372
04:02:00,595 --> 04:02:04,494
all three questions in one. Thanks. Okay. How take a

3373
04:02:04,534 --> 04:02:09,214
stab at that. So in regards to, you know, the

3374
04:02:09,555 --> 04:02:11,054
size and scale of it is a too big for

3375
04:02:11,155 --> 04:02:14,494
the, for the property, I would argue that it's, it's

3376
04:02:14,494 --> 04:02:17,694
not too big for the property. There's no site specific

3377
04:02:17,734 --> 04:02:21,534
amendments being requested as part of the rezoning. So basically

3378
04:02:22,435 --> 04:02:25,014
the UM Zone, we don't have to change anything. So

3379
04:02:25,555 --> 04:02:29,614
it size appropriately for it. We've, in our presentation earlier,

3380
04:02:29,614 --> 04:02:34,174
we actually showed that it was, we're, we're underutilizing this

3381
04:02:34,214 --> 04:02:40,623
space. Whereas 489 or so units could be comfortably put

3382
04:02:40,663 --> 04:02:45,823
on this lot. We're down to 360. Um, the comment

3383
04:02:46,004 --> 04:02:50,265
about, uh. How we would impact the lake. I mean,

3384
04:02:50,265 --> 04:02:55,147
I think we're pretty far from the lake. Not sure

3385
04:02:55,147 --> 04:02:57,067
how we would do that. But I mean, if it's,

3386
04:02:57,107 --> 04:02:59,787
if it's a stormwater piece, like we will be managing

3387
04:02:59,808 --> 04:03:04,620
the stormwater appropriately on site. And then I think your

3388
04:03:04,660 --> 04:03:08,300
third question is to, to the ability to lower the

3389
04:03:08,340 --> 04:03:12,132
number of units. Um, I think that's really a question

3390
04:03:12,393 --> 04:03:15,332
of economics. I mean, we need the units to pay

3391
04:03:15,372 --> 04:03:18,852
for the buildings and less unit means the rents go

3392
04:03:18,852 --> 04:03:22,421
up. Um, if we're truly trying to find the balance

3393
04:03:22,461 --> 04:03:28,981
of market and somewhat affordable units, more units means we

3394
04:03:29,162 --> 04:03:32,305
can, we can lower the price. I'll just ask you

3395
04:03:32,345 --> 04:03:36,385
to just explain the fact that you have addressed the

3396
04:03:36,385 --> 04:03:40,045
things within the planning act and the cities requirements, but

3397
04:03:40,045 --> 04:03:46,225
you still, you're not exceeding any capacity or unit according

3398
04:03:46,225 --> 04:03:49,505
to the city's bylaws. So I just had to make

3399
04:03:49,545 --> 04:03:55,105
that understand that. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Councillor Hamilton,

3400
04:03:55,105 --> 04:04:00,759
please. Thank you, Speaker. Um, I only have just a

3401
04:04:00,759 --> 04:04:03,219
couple of quick questions. The last speaker, one of the

3402
04:04:03,219 --> 04:04:07,859
last speakers, um, was talking about peripheral traffics studies. And

3403
04:04:07,859 --> 04:04:10,119
I use that area a lot. Um, I tend to

3404
04:04:10,140 --> 04:04:13,319
agree that probably the little catch halls, like the four

3405
04:04:13,420 --> 04:04:15,959
way stop at the, at Balsam. And I'm just wondering

3406
04:04:16,060 --> 04:04:20,819
if traffic studies would, uh, consider contemplate some of the

3407
04:04:21,020 --> 04:04:23,879
traffic congestion that might happen there. Sometimes, sometimes a day

3408
04:04:23,919 --> 04:04:26,759
it's quite congested. So just, just maybe in a little

3409
04:04:26,759 --> 04:04:29,639
note on maybe some of the areas of study that

3410
04:04:29,660 --> 04:04:32,399
would have been outside of the direct area. I think

3411
04:04:32,399 --> 04:04:34,599
might be helpful for me. Yeah. I'm going to see

3412
04:04:34,599 --> 04:04:38,145
if, um, Arash is still online. There he is. He

3413
04:04:38,145 --> 04:04:41,681
could probably answer that question about peripheral traffic studies. Thank

3414
04:04:41,681 --> 04:04:47,344
you. Sure. Uh, the simple answer is yes, we can.

3415
04:04:47,344 --> 04:04:50,864
But again, the TIS TIS guidelines, they have a specific

3416
04:04:50,965 --> 04:04:57,104
rule. Usually you're looking at the intersections that the percentage

3417
04:04:57,125 --> 04:04:59,904
of traffic, new traffic that comes to that is above

3418
04:05:00,165 --> 04:05:04,224
a certain percentage. And I have to say, uh, for

3419
04:05:04,325 --> 04:05:10,224
this development, the maximum directional traffic that was expected, that

3420
04:05:10,224 --> 04:05:15,744
was estimated was less than 120 threat vehicles per hour.

3421
04:05:15,744 --> 04:05:19,404
So again, based on that, the intersection was selected. And

3422
04:05:19,404 --> 04:05:24,064
if there is any specific intersection that expected to be

3423
04:05:24,085 --> 04:05:27,664
impacted by the development, this is something that we and

3424
04:05:27,704 --> 04:05:30,864
City and CT traffic team can agree. And again, I

3425
04:05:30,904 --> 04:05:34,304
don't want to commit to anything. This is something that

3426
04:05:34,485 --> 04:05:37,664
has to come from the City and has to be,

3427
04:05:37,664 --> 04:05:40,224
I agree with the developers. So it's not my role

3428
04:05:40,725 --> 04:05:44,304
to commit to that. But in general, yes, we can

3429
04:05:44,565 --> 04:05:50,064
look at appropriate concerns about traffic and traffic that will

3430
04:05:50,104 --> 04:05:53,344
be impacted by the new development. So usually if there

3431
04:05:53,365 --> 04:05:57,024
is an intersection that has some issues and the traffic

3432
04:05:57,064 --> 04:06:00,844
of the new development is not expected to be, uh,

3433
04:06:01,605 --> 04:06:04,784
considerable on that intersection, again, the way it has to

3434
04:06:04,824 --> 04:06:07,904
be a status is different from a scope of Ethereus

3435
04:06:07,944 --> 04:06:09,984
on a new development, but again, this is something that

3436
04:06:10,005 --> 04:06:13,344
can be IP. It can be discussed with the CT

3437
04:06:13,344 --> 04:06:15,424
and with the developer. And we can for sure looking

3438
04:06:15,605 --> 04:06:19,946
into that. Okay. No, that's fair. And thank you, Speaker.

3439
04:06:19,946 --> 04:06:21,306
And, and maybe that is a little bit more of

3440
04:06:21,306 --> 04:06:24,666
a question for our city staff. Appreciate that. Um, just

3441
04:06:24,767 --> 04:06:26,746
my, my only other question though, is based on some

3442
04:06:26,746 --> 04:06:29,386
of the comments that we heard from one, uh, another

3443
04:06:29,426 --> 04:06:34,826
member of your team about, um, we're only required to

3444
04:06:35,087 --> 04:06:37,946
do 20 percent minimum, but we're 50 just around the

3445
04:06:37,986 --> 04:06:41,226
green and the integration. A lot of obviously commentary about

3446
04:06:41,407 --> 04:06:45,366
green, the importance of actually, um, you know, nature. And

3447
04:06:45,407 --> 04:06:48,026
I really saw this proposal when it was first presented

3448
04:06:48,607 --> 04:06:52,426
as a real integrated kind of sensitivity to that desire

3449
04:06:52,847 --> 04:06:55,466
to have that integration. When you're doing other projects, I

3450
04:06:55,506 --> 04:06:57,466
don't want to imagine this is your only project or

3451
04:06:57,506 --> 04:07:00,426
file you're working on. What is the general expectation? Is

3452
04:07:00,527 --> 04:07:03,546
this project more or less? Is this a real integrated

3453
04:07:03,567 --> 04:07:07,100
community project? I see a lot of sensitivity actually. To

3454
04:07:07,140 --> 04:07:10,900
what the community, the community desires. And the consultation. I

3455
04:07:10,900 --> 04:07:13,560
attended most of them, uh, from what I remember. And

3456
04:07:13,560 --> 04:07:17,340
I'm just wondering overall, uh, how does this compare maybe

3457
04:07:17,380 --> 04:07:23,638
to other developments you've worked on. Um, yeah. I would

3458
04:07:23,638 --> 04:07:28,358
say, typically, and I would say, you know, people are

3459
04:07:28,398 --> 04:07:31,963
developers are usually looking for the minimums. That's, that's common

3460
04:07:32,224 --> 04:07:34,923
practice. They're trying to play within the bylaw. And we

3461
04:07:34,963 --> 04:07:37,483
often go to Committee of Adjustment for, for variances to

3462
04:07:37,504 --> 04:07:41,643
reduce it. Um, this project is, is a little different.

3463
04:07:41,643 --> 04:07:43,163
I think the fact that it came to the call

3464
04:07:43,203 --> 04:07:47,783
for proposals, um, it has a little bit more, um,

3465
04:07:48,464 --> 04:07:52,123
sensitivity to it and the developer wants to become a

3466
04:07:52,123 --> 04:07:55,163
member of this community with a development and be good

3467
04:07:55,203 --> 04:07:59,003
neighbours and increase the landscape. That's, that was a goal.

3468
04:07:59,003 --> 04:08:02,203
It was, you know, we don't want to just pave

3469
04:08:02,203 --> 04:08:06,523
the whole site and go for minimums. It's make this

3470
04:08:06,704 --> 04:08:10,043
a meaningful development for people that want to live there.

3471
04:08:11,264 --> 04:08:15,243
You know, being more attractive at landscaping, you know, helps

3472
04:08:15,243 --> 04:08:17,563
the marketability to selling those units as well. It's not

3473
04:08:17,563 --> 04:08:20,723
just for the neighbours. It's the people that want to

3474
04:08:20,723 --> 04:08:22,103
live there as well. They're going to want to use

3475
04:08:22,103 --> 04:08:27,753
that space. Thank you. Thank you. Working down on my

3476
04:08:27,774 --> 04:08:30,873
list. I have Councillor Attorney. Councillor Tranny, please. Thank you

3477
04:08:30,974 --> 04:08:33,413
through the speaker. Um, there was some, some of the

3478
04:08:33,413 --> 04:08:36,553
deputants talked about parking and the underground parking and the

3479
04:08:36,553 --> 04:08:39,033
number of spaces for parking. Can you speak a little

3480
04:08:39,033 --> 04:08:45,334
bit about that. Please. Yeah. Um, so we're, we're meeting

3481
04:08:45,374 --> 04:08:50,408
the bylaw. There's no, no parking reduction. Um, you know,

3482
04:08:50,408 --> 04:08:54,008
we've comfortably fit the parking within the building and then

3483
04:08:54,008 --> 04:08:58,159
additionally at grade. You know, sometimes again, we go in

3484
04:08:58,199 --> 04:09:02,738
for reductions in parking. This was, you know, we wanted

3485
04:09:02,778 --> 04:09:05,519
to maintain the bylaws. We found a way to accommodate

3486
04:09:05,559 --> 04:09:10,982
the entire requirement and parking ratio. Thank you. Um, water

3487
04:09:11,003 --> 04:09:13,302
pressure, I mean, we hear from a residence, it's a

3488
04:09:13,302 --> 04:09:16,742
concern of mine as well. Are there more studies that

3489
04:09:16,782 --> 04:09:18,902
are coming after this? This isn't our final step. This

3490
04:09:18,942 --> 04:09:22,318
is a rezoning day. Correct. What's still to come to

3491
04:09:22,318 --> 04:09:26,718
us? Um, it would be, um, the final functional site

3492
04:09:26,718 --> 04:09:31,018
servicing study, which is basically the detailed design of, um,

3493
04:09:31,139 --> 04:09:34,638
we get down to pipe sizing, um, does the building

3494
04:09:34,678 --> 04:09:39,438
require pumps or fire, any additional measures to help maintain

3495
04:09:39,539 --> 04:09:44,318
pressure. It also looks at, um, the need for additional

3496
04:09:45,139 --> 04:09:48,238
fire hydrants on site. Are they required? But that, that

3497
04:09:48,278 --> 04:09:50,878
gets the level of detail where it's, we know, we're

3498
04:09:50,878 --> 04:09:52,798
down to the pipe size, number of valves we need

3499
04:09:55,059 --> 04:09:58,838
chasing back to see how far the water pressure, if

3500
04:09:58,838 --> 04:10:03,315
the issues with water pressure. If there'll look at that.

3501
04:10:03,315 --> 04:10:05,315
Okay. Thank you for that. And then, um, there was

3502
04:10:05,355 --> 04:10:09,395
another comment made, um, about who's paying for the pipes

3503
04:10:09,576 --> 04:10:12,915
and who actually pays for the pipes to, um, link

3504
04:10:12,936 --> 04:10:16,115
into what the city exists infrastructure now. Yeah. If it's,

3505
04:10:16,115 --> 04:10:19,875
if it's cost related to this development, it's across any

3506
04:10:19,915 --> 04:10:21,955
development in Thunder Bay. It's, it's up to the developer

3507
04:10:21,995 --> 04:10:24,835
to pay for those offsite improvements. If it's needed to

3508
04:10:24,875 --> 04:10:28,755
support the development, it's, you know, if we're talking looping

3509
04:10:28,776 --> 04:10:31,795
water mains, uh, that's up to the developer to loop

3510
04:10:31,896 --> 04:10:37,555
it, including restoring the road back to its city standard.

3511
04:10:37,555 --> 04:10:40,275
You know, if, if we determine that the sanitary pipe

3512
04:10:40,376 --> 04:10:44,035
was in large enough in Toledo or wherever the developer

3513
04:10:44,216 --> 04:10:48,669
is responsible to pay for that. Um, to satisfy their

3514
04:10:48,709 --> 04:10:55,349
development. So no costs are shared from that perspective. So

3515
04:10:55,650 --> 04:10:58,781
no cost to the taxpayer. No. If any of the

3516
04:10:58,821 --> 04:11:00,461
studies, um, I think I have just a few more

3517
04:11:00,501 --> 04:11:03,581
minutes. If any of this studies show issues, is there

3518
04:11:03,621 --> 04:11:07,421
still an opportunity for, or potential for this development to

3519
04:11:07,522 --> 04:11:12,136
become smaller because of those issues. For sure. Um, so

3520
04:11:12,557 --> 04:11:15,856
we're designing and we're showing the maximum as part of

3521
04:11:15,856 --> 04:11:20,296
this rezoning, if hypothetical situation, if we came back and

3522
04:11:20,336 --> 04:11:22,456
said, Oh, we can't meet the water demands for this

3523
04:11:22,496 --> 04:11:26,617
many units. Or without having to do massive upgrades to

3524
04:11:26,878 --> 04:11:31,577
water treatment plans and whatever hypothetically, um, the alternative was

3525
04:11:31,678 --> 04:11:34,651
the lower, the number of units. Well, we would, we

3526
04:11:34,651 --> 04:11:37,909
would do that. Thank you. Thank you for your answers.

3527
04:11:38,170 --> 04:11:42,549
Thank you, Speaker. Thank you. Uh, next is Councillor Agawa.

3528
04:11:44,112 --> 04:11:48,871
Thank you very much, Speaker. I have a question. I'm

3529
04:11:48,871 --> 04:11:52,891
not quite understanding. Why are there private easements over this

3530
04:11:53,152 --> 04:11:58,291
land? And what were those private easements be. Um, because

3531
04:11:58,291 --> 04:12:02,431
typically what I've seen is public easements for utilities. But

3532
04:12:03,112 --> 04:12:06,691
what are the private Easements over the parcel of land?

3533
04:12:07,112 --> 04:12:11,011
Existing easements? I don't know the wording is saying private

3534
04:12:11,011 --> 04:12:14,511
is medicine. Um, I would say that's, that's because, um,

3535
04:12:14,632 --> 04:12:17,651
the development is, a part of this application was a

3536
04:12:17,672 --> 04:12:22,771
severance. Um, so that you'll say the Southern most building

3537
04:12:23,112 --> 04:12:28,851
is building B. They'll have to cut through lot A

3538
04:12:29,192 --> 04:12:31,731
to get out to a Rundell. So it's really just

3539
04:12:31,912 --> 04:12:36,371
a shared East Minds for parking to facilitate on each

3540
04:12:36,371 --> 04:12:39,331
other. Each property for services that kind of loop through.

3541
04:12:39,331 --> 04:12:42,545
We just do a blanket easement as well. Um, just

3542
04:12:42,566 --> 04:12:45,825
so you don't have to define each pipe by these

3543
04:12:45,846 --> 04:12:48,145
bin have a legal survey. They would just be blanketed

3544
04:12:48,145 --> 04:12:53,688
across the entire development. Okay. So through you speaker. So

3545
04:12:53,688 --> 04:12:55,808
what I'm understanding here is that the whole thing will

3546
04:12:55,848 --> 04:12:59,387
have a blanketise mitchell Lau for development. That could eventually

3547
04:12:59,648 --> 04:13:03,697
be severed off. And could be sold or be dealt

3548
04:13:03,697 --> 04:13:06,417
with by another owner in the future and the one

3549
04:13:06,438 --> 04:13:11,228
in the front would be another unit. Hypothetically, it could

3550
04:13:11,228 --> 04:13:13,188
be sold off, but the intent is to keep them

3551
04:13:13,228 --> 04:13:16,733
both. But one doesn't know what they're future holds, right?

3552
04:13:17,154 --> 04:13:20,733
For anything. But so, uh, may I have a question

3553
04:13:20,994 --> 04:13:25,752
to administration. Of course. But then the motion has the

3554
04:13:25,752 --> 04:13:27,992
floor. There's also an opportunity to follow up with other

3555
04:13:28,032 --> 04:13:30,712
questions. I would just like to know, um, where would

3556
04:13:30,752 --> 04:13:33,672
the frontage be then? If you could ask you for

3557
04:13:33,672 --> 04:13:36,712
the frontage for the, um, the lot in the back

3558
04:13:36,752 --> 04:13:42,178
end, the south side, the property. I'm thinking Sharon might

3559
04:13:42,178 --> 04:13:49,437
have that information to her. So the frontage would. She'll

3560
04:13:49,477 --> 04:13:54,286
have the plan in front of her. I don't. I'm

3561
04:13:54,326 --> 04:13:58,606
sorry. Could you repeat that question frontage for the entire

3562
04:13:58,787 --> 04:14:01,246
section? Yeah. Thank you very much. Um, Through you speaker.

3563
04:14:01,246 --> 04:14:03,566
The, the question I have is, um, being that the

3564
04:14:03,566 --> 04:14:07,166
lot would be severed. That means that the, the lot

3565
04:14:07,206 --> 04:14:11,406
frontage that would be required for the rear Southern exposured

3566
04:14:11,406 --> 04:14:15,326
lot would need its own front edge accessible off of

3567
04:14:15,326 --> 04:14:18,526
the city road, which would be a rundown, or sorry,

3568
04:14:20,307 --> 04:14:23,192
and where is that frontage? I didn't see that. Being

3569
04:14:23,533 --> 04:14:27,032
severed off or right away or how, cause we all

3570
04:14:27,032 --> 04:14:31,148
need accessibility. So where is that frontage? Um, we have

3571
04:14:31,169 --> 04:14:33,308
a full frontage of the property. That's what we've been

3572
04:14:33,329 --> 04:14:38,679
given. But being that two properties now within the same

3573
04:14:38,700 --> 04:14:43,981
property. Do we have that descriptor there? We would have

3574
04:14:44,002 --> 04:14:46,781
the frontage because there's no, we're not replying for any

3575
04:14:46,821 --> 04:14:49,581
reduction in it. So we know that the front edge

3576
04:14:49,581 --> 04:14:51,901
is there. If the frontage couldn't be there, we'd be

3577
04:14:51,901 --> 04:14:55,661
asking for amendment to reduce this amount of front edge.

3578
04:14:55,661 --> 04:14:58,061
Through the speaker, uh, administration can answer this question. I'll

3579
04:14:58,061 --> 04:15:03,876
go to supervisor lopes. Thank you, Speaker. If I make

3580
04:15:03,977 --> 04:15:08,436
clarify one of the amendments proposed with this application is

3581
04:15:08,457 --> 04:15:11,156
to amend the definition of lot to mean more than

3582
04:15:11,257 --> 04:15:14,996
one ownership. So that essentially does. It allows the Southernmost

3583
04:15:15,036 --> 04:15:18,436
building to have its own parcel as well as the

3584
04:15:18,476 --> 04:15:21,556
northernmost building to have its own parcel. And by redefine

3585
04:15:21,596 --> 04:15:24,996
a lot to mean the entire, um, holding, the frontage

3586
04:15:25,177 --> 04:15:30,276
for essentially the defined lot is that on a rundle,

3587
04:15:31,257 --> 04:15:34,916
essentially building B that has a Southernmost parcel has no

3588
04:15:34,937 --> 04:15:38,836
frontage, but it's taken care of through amending the definition

3589
04:15:38,836 --> 04:15:44,018
of Lot to mean both parcels working together. Um, through

3590
04:15:44,058 --> 04:15:47,538
you speaker, have we done this before redefine the definition.

3591
04:15:49,098 --> 04:15:51,637
Of lot? The Thru Speaker, this has been done in

3592
04:15:51,677 --> 04:15:57,425
the past on different projects. Of a similar nature. The

3593
04:15:57,425 --> 04:15:59,905
one classic example would be the Thunder Centre site. There's

3594
04:16:00,006 --> 04:16:04,945
four ownerships there. Um, the property occupied by Home Depot

3595
04:16:04,985 --> 04:16:07,825
is technically landlocked. But however, it all functions as one

3596
04:16:08,006 --> 04:16:12,525
defined lot despite the fact that there's four ownerships. And

3597
04:16:12,525 --> 04:16:17,105
that example, there's many cross - shared easements covering the

3598
04:16:17,206 --> 04:16:20,865
access, the servicing, and essentially the cross - sharing of

3599
04:16:20,886 --> 04:16:25,407
the traffic. And just people movement through there. Okay. Um,

3600
04:16:26,308 --> 04:16:29,307
Councillor, I have yet three questions asked. But you can

3601
04:16:29,428 --> 04:16:31,967
follow up with administration in the next round once it

3602
04:16:31,967 --> 04:16:35,327
hits the motionist for at this point I have Councillor

3603
04:16:35,348 --> 04:16:39,887
Bence next, but we have 11 o'clock resolution. So Deputy

3604
04:16:39,908 --> 04:16:41,487
Kirk Walters, do we have a mover in a seconder?

3605
04:16:41,508 --> 04:16:44,127
We do. It's Councillor Oliver and Councillor Trini for the

3606
04:16:44,167 --> 04:16:46,287
secondary. And of course, the motion is being that the

3607
04:16:46,388 --> 04:16:48,367
hour being 11 o'clock, but we continue with the business

3608
04:16:48,468 --> 04:16:54,594
at hand. Please call the roll. Yeah. Councillor Airwall. In

3609
04:16:54,634 --> 04:17:00,696
favor. Councillor. In favor Bent. In favor. Councillor Tree in

3610
04:17:00,736 --> 04:17:07,080
favor Councillor Folds in favor. Councillor Hamilton. Yes. Speaker, Johnson.

3611
04:17:07,120 --> 04:17:12,120
In favor. Councillor Oliver in favor. Councillor Pastorino. In favor.

3612
04:17:12,120 --> 04:17:17,205
And Councillor Cecino in favor. That is passed. I'll give

3613
04:17:17,205 --> 04:17:20,572
you a moment. And we'll turn to Councillor Bands, please.

3614
04:17:21,393 --> 04:17:26,252
Thank you Speaker. First question is regarding entrance and exit

3615
04:17:26,292 --> 04:17:29,052
from the Property. I understand there's one driveway into this

3616
04:17:29,233 --> 04:17:33,372
complex. First of all, is that correct? And should we

3617
04:17:33,372 --> 04:17:36,652
have any concerns about traffic patterns in and out of

3618
04:17:36,692 --> 04:17:41,257
facilities like this. Yes. There's one entrance and perhaps I

3619
04:17:41,257 --> 04:17:43,257
can have a Roche speak to the Traffic Study that

3620
04:17:43,257 --> 04:17:53,199
reviewed that. Sure. Uh. Just again, I want to start

3621
04:17:53,300 --> 04:17:56,799
with trips. The three estimation, as I said, is saying

3622
04:17:56,839 --> 04:18:01,199
that the maximum directional trips will be 100. Less than

3623
04:18:01,540 --> 04:18:05,359
120. One axis will be sufficient. We know that the

3624
04:18:05,460 --> 04:18:08,939
axis has to cross the multi - use paths. But

3625
04:18:08,939 --> 04:18:12,239
again, for the multi - USP, we have a special

3626
04:18:12,239 --> 04:18:19,359
treatments. These special treatments are coming based on what's becommended

3627
04:18:19,460 --> 04:18:25,679
by Ministry of Transportation and the Access Treatment for this

3628
04:18:25,719 --> 04:18:29,519
type of facilities. I have to say the VR looking

3629
04:18:29,519 --> 04:18:33,899
at treatment that we are taking the residential treatment. But

3630
04:18:34,100 --> 04:18:39,119
we are 44 enhancing it by adding some specifics from

3631
04:18:39,700 --> 04:18:44,319
high volume or commercial access treatment. So I have to

3632
04:18:44,340 --> 04:18:49,259
say the study that VD shows that this intersection, the

3633
04:18:49,259 --> 04:18:54,079
access intersection will work. And it's sufficient. But again, for

3634
04:18:54,079 --> 04:18:57,919
the future, we have also have a potential for a

3635
04:18:57,919 --> 04:19:02,915
second axis. But without considering it, I have to say

3636
04:19:03,096 --> 04:19:07,075
for the future horizon that we have, almost in eight

3637
04:19:07,075 --> 04:19:10,755
years, this is working sufficiently. And there are no concerns

3638
04:19:10,795 --> 04:19:13,640
about that. So it lines out enough. And I mean,

3639
04:19:13,741 --> 04:19:17,572
everything can work. Well at the, at the proposed intersection.

3640
04:19:18,639 --> 04:19:23,418
Okay. Uh, second question is, what does the current zoning

3641
04:19:23,418 --> 04:19:26,618
on the property allow and how did it become to

3642
04:19:26,658 --> 04:19:34,440
be zoned that. S all supervisor Lopes to answer the

3643
04:19:34,440 --> 04:19:42,869
question? Through the speaker, the current zoning of community, um,

3644
04:19:43,310 --> 04:19:48,371
essentially. Implements, uh, the official plan from 2019, which designated

3645
04:19:49,032 --> 04:19:54,211
for community designation. The Zoning Bylaw allows in the Community

3646
04:19:54,251 --> 04:20:00,291
Zone. I'll provide the list. Cemeteries and Crematoriums, daycare centres,

3647
04:20:00,312 --> 04:20:05,762
indoor recreational uses. Minor institutional uses. Um, which includes elementary

3648
04:20:05,802 --> 04:20:10,242
schools and religious institutions. And of course, if it's a

3649
04:20:10,242 --> 04:20:12,562
property that fronts on water, there's water related uses that

3650
04:20:12,583 --> 04:20:17,680
are also permitted. Okay. So it sounds like in 2019,

3651
04:20:17,720 --> 04:20:19,440
there was a change made. I don't know what it

3652
04:20:19,440 --> 04:20:22,160
was previously. It doesn't really matter at this point. Um,

3653
04:20:22,821 --> 04:20:27,520
finally, is this actually Parkland as being claimed? Was it

3654
04:20:27,541 --> 04:20:34,632
ever designated as potential Parkland in any official plan. I

3655
04:20:34,672 --> 04:20:37,592
can answer that. Uh, so, so this land is part

3656
04:20:37,632 --> 04:20:44,052
of the Boulevard Lake Park area. It is not, uh,

3657
04:20:44,653 --> 04:20:48,312
let's say program for improved Parkland as if in comparison

3658
04:20:48,333 --> 04:20:53,112
to a playground, it functions open space and perhaps supervisor.

3659
04:20:53,112 --> 04:20:54,392
Shore wish add to that answer.

3660
04:21:08,763 --> 04:21:13,542
To the speaker. Yes, that area of boulevard Lake Park.

3661
04:21:13,868 --> 04:21:19,207
Is not, it's considered natural area rather than maintained area

3662
04:21:19,247 --> 04:21:27,889
like the playground is that's beside the lake. Thank you,

3663
04:21:27,910 --> 04:21:36,255
Speaker. Thank you. Any other questions. Please. I'd just like

3664
04:21:36,255 --> 04:21:40,815
to follow up on, uh, that question that Councillor Bentz

3665
04:21:40,815 --> 04:21:46,306
said, uh, I didn't want 100 percent understand. That Boulevard

3666
04:21:46,567 --> 04:21:51,586
is considered 650 acres, uh, is that part of the,

3667
04:21:51,586 --> 04:21:55,106
like the boundary of Boulevard or this is associated with

3668
04:21:55,447 --> 04:21:57,746
Bulmar. That, that was my concern with that.

3669
04:22:05,435 --> 04:22:08,694
I'm through the speaker. It really, I believe that number

3670
04:22:08,795 --> 04:22:10,614
is the total. I don't have it in front of

3671
04:22:10,654 --> 04:22:17,094
me. At my fingertips, but the boulevard Lake Proper is

3672
04:22:17,195 --> 04:22:23,018
everything south of Arundel Street. So that would include, um,

3673
04:22:23,059 --> 04:22:28,135
the west side and east side. I believe that that

3674
04:22:28,316 --> 04:22:31,975
total acre you're talking about may include centennial park, which

3675
04:22:31,996 --> 04:22:36,249
is on the north side of a Rundell Street. As

3676
04:22:36,249 --> 04:22:41,936
well. Thank you for that. I just want to make

3677
04:22:42,037 --> 04:22:44,496
a statement. Like I've looked up some of this stuff,

3678
04:22:44,496 --> 04:22:48,016
did some research on it. And, uh, it said that

3679
04:22:48,437 --> 04:22:55,936
Centennial Park is 147 acres boulevard park is 650 acres.

3680
04:22:55,936 --> 04:22:59,456
And I just threw in chipwall park, uh, that would

3681
04:22:59,456 --> 04:23:06,177
be 270 acres. Um, that doesn't include various other parks

3682
04:23:06,198 --> 04:23:10,337
through the city. Vickers Park, Marina Park, Hillcrest Park, Junot

3683
04:23:10,337 --> 04:23:15,837
Park, Heath Park Thorn Lowe Park and Trowbridge Falls. Um,

3684
04:23:15,837 --> 04:23:20,897
so anyways, just those three parks like Centennial Park Boulevard

3685
04:23:20,998 --> 04:23:25,297
and Chippewa. That's over a thousand acres. And then I

3686
04:23:25,297 --> 04:23:34,657
was, uh, looking up at how many acres, uh, per

3687
04:23:34,838 --> 04:23:40,977
person in Thunder Bay. And apparently we are, just hold

3688
04:23:40,977 --> 04:23:45,537
on. I got, we are like number one in Ontario.

3689
04:23:47,398 --> 04:23:51,297
It's like the, um, City that comes up to it.

3690
04:23:51,297 --> 04:23:57,757
I think we're like 19. 7 hectators per person. Um,

3691
04:23:58,118 --> 04:24:03,937
the next one, I believe is, is growth. And there

3692
04:24:03,977 --> 04:24:08,337
are something like nine or something between us. Uh, so

3693
04:24:08,438 --> 04:24:15,537
anyways, uh, we're significantly bigger than other, other areas for

3694
04:24:15,718 --> 04:24:17,697
it. And a lot of it is actually even better

3695
04:24:17,718 --> 04:24:23,297
than most parks because ours are on, they're not manipulated.

3696
04:24:23,297 --> 04:24:27,297
Let's say they're natural parks. So anyways, I'm looking at

3697
04:24:27,337 --> 04:24:32,977
this and it's eight acres that were roughly taking away

3698
04:24:33,017 --> 04:24:36,737
from the area. And it's, it's really kind of tiny

3699
04:24:37,238 --> 04:24:40,257
anyways of that. I think that, uh, like I understand

3700
04:24:40,758 --> 04:24:45,117
the people's concerns because certainly we wouldn't want, you know,

3701
04:24:45,718 --> 04:24:47,697
especially if you're living by there, you wouldn't want to

3702
04:24:47,697 --> 04:24:49,857
go ahead and do it. But I mean, it's not

3703
04:24:49,897 --> 04:24:54,337
like we're shutting down the park, you know, that boulevard.

3704
04:24:54,337 --> 04:24:57,697
So anyways, uh, like I said, um, I just wanted

3705
04:24:57,798 --> 04:25:00,657
to make, that's why I was asking if it was

3706
04:25:00,758 --> 04:25:05,457
actually part of the 650 acres, you know, the park

3707
04:25:05,718 --> 04:25:08,017
or whether this is like a separate part to it.

3708
04:25:08,017 --> 04:25:12,257
But that's okay. It still makes my point anyways of

3709
04:25:12,257 --> 04:25:13,777
what I was trying to say. Thank you very much

3710
04:25:13,798 --> 04:25:16,897
for that. Thank you. Next up, I have Councillor Gattuga.

3711
04:25:16,937 --> 04:25:20,950
Thank you Mr. Speaker. Um. I want to talk about

3712
04:25:20,950 --> 04:25:24,159
the 11 metre easement for a little bit. Can you

3713
04:25:24,159 --> 04:25:28,925
tell me the rationale for. Putting that he's been in

3714
04:25:28,925 --> 04:25:37,346
place. Yes. Uh, so along that 11 metre easement, the

3715
04:25:38,007 --> 04:25:41,186
residence along Toledo Street, uh, there are yards are not

3716
04:25:41,186 --> 04:25:44,766
as deep as others that are on Toledo Street. And

3717
04:25:44,766 --> 04:25:47,426
I think that there are many of assume that their

3718
04:25:47,426 --> 04:25:49,826
yards are larger than they actually are going to have

3719
04:25:49,826 --> 04:25:52,866
encroached on city on land. Uh, so retaining this 11

3720
04:25:53,367 --> 04:25:58,946
meter's provides, um, some opportunities to recognise the encroachments and,

3721
04:25:58,946 --> 04:26:02,277
uh, work with the neighbours. Um, so that is for

3722
04:26:02,317 --> 04:26:05,237
that reason that's been kept out of the, uh, the

3723
04:26:05,237 --> 04:26:07,797
reason, we'll say the lands to be rezoned and will

3724
04:26:07,797 --> 04:26:12,904
be retained by the city. Okay. So this is lands

3725
04:26:13,005 --> 04:26:17,064
that the residents have been utilising city lands for the

3726
04:26:17,064 --> 04:26:21,544
last, also not through the speaker, not in all cases,

3727
04:26:21,544 --> 04:26:23,944
uh, but we certainly do find that's case for many.

3728
04:26:25,128 --> 04:26:28,467
Okay. And so would we be looking to sell that

3729
04:26:28,488 --> 04:26:34,736
to the residence. So should this show this planning application

3730
04:26:35,317 --> 04:26:38,946
be. Be approved and the, and the, uh, and the,

3731
04:26:38,946 --> 04:26:43,586
uh, person sale agreement continue Administration will be speaking with

3732
04:26:43,687 --> 04:26:46,466
the owners about, uh, whether there might be interest purchase

3733
04:26:46,647 --> 04:26:53,381
lands. Okay. So, so city property has been utilised for

3734
04:26:53,722 --> 04:26:59,861
many, many years. And, uh, so not, well, legally paying

3735
04:26:59,901 --> 04:27:05,781
taxes. But now we're accommodating by allowing that option to

3736
04:27:05,802 --> 04:27:10,341
purchase that property that's been utilised by the homeowners for

3737
04:27:10,682 --> 04:27:13,582
say 30, 40 years. Correct. So the Speaker of the

3738
04:27:14,163 --> 04:27:17,342
intention has provided the opportunity for the homeowners to purchase

3739
04:27:17,443 --> 04:27:22,013
these lands. Okay. I just wanted to clarify that. I

3740
04:27:22,013 --> 04:27:25,733
mean, um, I think that's good that we're doing that.

3741
04:27:25,733 --> 04:27:28,693
I mean, not necessarily good that people have been utilised

3742
04:27:28,693 --> 04:27:31,493
in city property and fenced it in. But I think

3743
04:27:31,493 --> 04:27:34,773
it's good that we're, um, looking to provide that compromise

3744
04:27:34,813 --> 04:27:38,933
for people and additional buffer. So thank you for that,

3745
04:27:38,933 --> 04:27:44,185
Mr. Speaker. Thank you. See no other speakers. Uh, at

3746
04:27:44,225 --> 04:27:46,345
this point Council like to put the motion on the

3747
04:27:46,366 --> 04:27:49,945
floor. You need to move her in a seconder. Moved

3748
04:27:49,945 --> 04:27:56,314
by Council Hamilton. Second by Councillor Gatuga. On this, we

3749
04:27:56,314 --> 04:27:58,994
have three rounds five minutes each. Again, that's three rounds

3750
04:27:59,415 --> 04:28:03,394
five minutes each. Are there any speakers on this round,

3751
04:28:03,394 --> 04:28:10,806
first round. Councillor Hamilton. Yeah. Thank you for the opportunity

3752
04:28:10,987 --> 04:28:15,766
to speak first. Um, I, I need to understand a

3753
04:28:15,766 --> 04:28:18,566
little bit about the housing needs study. It came out

3754
04:28:19,067 --> 04:28:24,546
virtually every, um, uh, deputation that we had tonight. Um,

3755
04:28:24,987 --> 04:28:27,446
so just like a reminder, from what I understand, that

3756
04:28:27,467 --> 04:28:31,206
housing needs study. There's not an abundance of development ready

3757
04:28:31,307 --> 04:28:34,166
land. Um, a lot of that land is actually forested

3758
04:28:34,427 --> 04:28:39,604
would need to be cleared. And because I was actually,

3759
04:28:39,604 --> 04:28:43,204
you know, I believe in the, in preserving nature, that's

3760
04:28:43,244 --> 04:28:46,484
actually why I like this properties because it's seven stories

3761
04:28:46,505 --> 04:28:48,784
vertically. If we were going to actually make this, uh,

3762
04:28:48,905 --> 04:28:53,284
property, uh, horizontal and lateral, maybe that, that, that I'll

3763
04:28:53,284 --> 04:28:55,044
just form that new in my first question. If we're

3764
04:28:55,065 --> 04:28:59,844
going to make 360 units into a lateral, um, development,

3765
04:28:59,844 --> 04:29:01,924
how much space and how much forest and natural area

3766
04:29:02,185 --> 04:29:11,690
would that require. If that's a clear question? Yes. The,

3767
04:29:11,690 --> 04:29:15,264
um. So that this development would be at approximately six

3768
04:29:15,264 --> 04:29:19,104
times the density of a single family single family dwelling

3769
04:29:19,144 --> 04:29:23,081
subdivision. Okay. So, so if we wanted to do this

3770
04:29:23,262 --> 04:29:27,161
in traditional suburban development, we would require at least six

3771
04:29:27,182 --> 04:29:30,489
times the amount of land. Okay. Those speaker, that's correct.

3772
04:29:30,670 --> 04:29:32,969
Yeah. So yeah. And that's just one of my main

3773
04:29:33,009 --> 04:29:35,609
points is that this kind of development actually is saving

3774
04:29:36,750 --> 04:29:40,789
is actually providing more natural habitat for animal species. Um,

3775
04:29:40,789 --> 04:29:42,969
so I just wanted to start there. Um, and then

3776
04:29:42,990 --> 04:29:45,529
the housing needs study. I mean, cause we always hear

3777
04:29:45,630 --> 04:29:48,489
somewhere else. No one ever really tells us we're somewhere

3778
04:29:48,489 --> 04:29:50,969
else. Um, could we just get a little bit of

3779
04:29:50,990 --> 04:29:54,089
a sense of what development radio lands we have that

3780
04:29:54,190 --> 04:29:58,489
are ready that are ready to come online that maybe

3781
04:29:59,950 --> 04:30:02,329
just a little notice if some of those lands required,

3782
04:30:02,329 --> 04:30:06,005
uh, clearing of forest as well. Yes. So the speaker

3783
04:30:06,026 --> 04:30:09,605
just clarify the, um, so as, uh, as Noor Deputants

3784
04:30:09,605 --> 04:30:14,405
noted the housing land needs study did conclude that there

3785
04:30:14,506 --> 04:30:18,805
is a large amount of land within the urban service

3786
04:30:18,845 --> 04:30:25,845
area, that could accommodate additional growth. However, not all of

3787
04:30:25,845 --> 04:30:28,805
that land, well, very, let's say little of that land

3788
04:30:28,986 --> 04:30:32,565
is for sale or shovel ready at this point. So

3789
04:30:33,146 --> 04:30:38,165
much of this land is requires minor service extensions, rezonings,

3790
04:30:38,165 --> 04:30:41,525
our fragmented type essentially contaminated in the case of many

3791
04:30:41,706 --> 04:30:46,885
downtown properties. Um, so we have heard consistently through our,

3792
04:30:46,885 --> 04:30:51,525
um, collaboration with the Development Community that finding development ready

3793
04:30:51,626 --> 04:30:57,285
lands shovel ready lands extraordinarily difficult. Uh, so, uh, with

3794
04:30:57,306 --> 04:31:00,645
the, uh, under leadership of Council, great works have been

3795
04:31:00,645 --> 04:31:04,245
done to establish a pipeline of Lance and to continue

3796
04:31:04,285 --> 04:31:10,325
to bring lands, um, make lands ready for development. You'll

3797
04:31:10,325 --> 04:31:13,605
through the call for proposal process 10 lands where 10

3798
04:31:13,605 --> 04:31:16,885
different properties were brought forward. Um, which were in different

3799
04:31:16,885 --> 04:31:23,045
locations of the city. And these lands and others that

3800
04:31:23,226 --> 04:31:26,885
the Council's directed be sold, uh, for the purpose of

3801
04:31:26,885 --> 04:31:30,405
housing are those that were, um, successful through the initial

3802
04:31:31,066 --> 04:31:34,205
stages, the call for proposal process. Speaker very kind of

3803
04:31:34,205 --> 04:31:37,685
direct question. What, what, how much do we have land?

3804
04:31:37,685 --> 04:31:40,405
Is there land available currently that's Development Ready that could

3805
04:31:40,506 --> 04:31:48,283
accommodate the scale of development currently. Well, there are other

3806
04:31:48,384 --> 04:31:54,123
lands that remain within the call for proposals inventory that

3807
04:31:54,123 --> 04:31:57,803
could support development of this scale. Many of those other

3808
04:31:57,904 --> 04:32:02,603
properties have complications, which administrations work in mitigate. Thank you.

3809
04:32:02,944 --> 04:32:06,523
Uh, Speaker, just on the remediation of land, we knew

3810
04:32:06,523 --> 04:32:09,963
that the Art Gallery Project, they had budgeted a couple

3811
04:32:09,963 --> 04:32:12,683
of million bucks that it ended up coming in at

3812
04:32:12,683 --> 04:32:15,163
almost 10 million dollars for the remediation of that land.

3813
04:32:15,163 --> 04:32:17,963
Could we just get a sense here now about development

3814
04:32:17,984 --> 04:32:21,783
of brownfield sites? Some of the complications around remediation. And

3815
04:32:21,904 --> 04:32:25,563
that additional costure for developers that are already facing significant

3816
04:32:25,984 --> 04:32:35,496
construction costs. As well, complications, uh, take the form of

3817
04:32:35,517 --> 04:32:40,570
costs and also time. Uh, so it's, you have, could

3818
04:32:40,591 --> 04:32:46,490
not provide an estimate on, well, different properties have different

3819
04:32:46,911 --> 04:32:50,490
requirements and different levels of contamination. Uh, some can be

3820
04:32:50,991 --> 04:32:55,210
remediated for less. But the, the, um, the time that

3821
04:32:55,311 --> 04:32:59,290
it can take to, uh, receive the clearances from the,

3822
04:32:59,290 --> 04:33:02,650
uh, uh, uh, uh, from, uh, from MECP can be

3823
04:33:02,650 --> 04:33:06,890
considerable. And, um, for that reason administration is working on

3824
04:33:06,930 --> 04:33:09,190
those properties so that they can be available in the

3825
04:33:09,190 --> 04:33:12,650
future and considered reshuffle ready. Speaker, I do appreciate the

3826
04:33:12,751 --> 04:33:15,430
latitude. That was not based on seven, nine, one, but

3827
04:33:15,430 --> 04:33:18,090
it is kind of, I'm trying to frame around the,

3828
04:33:18,090 --> 04:33:21,930
uh, the somewhere else, um, kind of question. So I

3829
04:33:21,930 --> 04:33:24,890
appreciate the latitude. Speaking of that. Thank you, Councillor Folds,

3830
04:33:24,890 --> 04:33:30,508
please. Uh, thank you Speaker. Um. I think I'd like

3831
04:33:30,548 --> 04:33:34,708
to start my comments, uh, evening, uh, by stating, I

3832
04:33:34,708 --> 04:33:39,068
think everyone in this room believes that we need more

3833
04:33:39,169 --> 04:33:43,661
housing. I mean, I think, um, I don't think there's

3834
04:33:43,661 --> 04:33:46,941
any doubt about that. Um, and I'm not entirely sure

3835
04:33:46,962 --> 04:33:51,101
that the decision this evening, which is a planning and

3836
04:33:51,101 --> 04:33:55,741
a rezoning states whether we are for or against housing.

3837
04:33:55,741 --> 04:33:58,621
Um, colleagues three months ago when we started this process.

3838
04:33:59,491 --> 04:34:04,510
Um, where we declared land surplus and then decided to

3839
04:34:06,851 --> 04:34:09,950
clear them surplus and sold on conditions. I was leaning

3840
04:34:10,131 --> 04:34:17,070
towards supporting, um, this particular development. Largely because I was

3841
04:34:17,331 --> 04:34:22,336
myopic just on housing. And over the last few months,

3842
04:34:22,336 --> 04:34:25,216
the amount of information that I've received has changed my

3843
04:34:25,256 --> 04:34:28,957
mind. And I will not be supporting the rezoning this

3844
04:34:28,957 --> 04:34:32,797
evening. And I, and I have nothing disparaging to say

3845
04:34:32,797 --> 04:34:38,157
about the developer, uh, the responses tonight, um, you know,

3846
04:34:38,338 --> 04:34:42,557
the accommodations, nothing disparaging about our administration and the number

3847
04:34:42,557 --> 04:34:47,117
of reports. And like I said to Director Deputer earlier

3848
04:34:47,117 --> 04:34:50,457
tonight, I mean, I had emails being responded to, uh,

3849
04:34:50,658 --> 04:34:53,117
late this afternoon. And I want to state that I

3850
04:34:53,157 --> 04:34:59,357
appreciate that. But there's really three planning, um, items that

3851
04:34:59,357 --> 04:35:06,871
I'm just frankly not confident in. And one of them

3852
04:35:06,892 --> 04:35:12,535
is on the scoped environmental assessment. And just to get,

3853
04:35:12,535 --> 04:35:15,075
I mean, I'm not sure if everybody's read that, but

3854
04:35:15,075 --> 04:35:20,775
we had a individual visit the site once in 2024.

3855
04:35:21,852 --> 04:35:25,092
And took a look at soils and vegetation. And then

3856
04:35:25,353 --> 04:35:29,373
visit it once. In 2026. Just looking at the boundaries.

3857
04:35:30,680 --> 04:35:34,928
That was the extent of that study. But even in

3858
04:35:35,269 --> 04:35:38,448
that extent of that study, there was identification of potential

3859
04:35:38,629 --> 04:35:43,568
habitat for, uh, bats and potential habitat for this bird,

3860
04:35:43,568 --> 04:35:48,608
the Wurbler. Um, but there was the identification of this

3861
04:35:48,709 --> 04:35:54,680
yellow banded bumblebee. Now it's only, it's only. A species

3862
04:35:54,781 --> 04:35:58,360
of concern, which means legally we actually don't need to

3863
04:35:58,381 --> 04:36:01,436
do anything. Because it's only of concern. But if you

3864
04:36:01,476 --> 04:36:04,556
are in a species of concern, you are in the

3865
04:36:04,596 --> 04:36:08,288
verge of potentially being threatened. I was sent a video

3866
04:36:08,389 --> 04:36:12,549
this past week of a Grey Fox. And thanks to

3867
04:36:12,730 --> 04:36:17,749
staff, it was confirmed the identification of this Grey Fox.

3868
04:36:17,749 --> 04:36:21,257
And it was in this neighbourhood. That is a threatened

3869
04:36:21,297 --> 04:36:26,656
species. But in two day visits, we're not going to

3870
04:36:26,656 --> 04:36:29,318
see it. And have we done the work to identify

3871
04:36:29,739 --> 04:36:32,598
dens and all that kind of stuff. So for me,

3872
04:36:32,598 --> 04:36:38,612
it's just not enough. Just not enough. The traffic study.

3873
04:36:38,612 --> 04:36:42,372
So I voiced my concerns not so much about traffic

3874
04:36:42,393 --> 04:36:44,932
volume because I actually think the traffic study did a

3875
04:36:44,932 --> 04:36:48,447
very good job on traffic volume. And that road can

3876
04:36:48,447 --> 04:36:53,088
handle. That volume. But I was very specific about my

3877
04:36:53,189 --> 04:37:00,949
concerns around safety. And I haven't been satisfied. About the

3878
04:37:01,050 --> 04:37:05,407
safety concerns. In particular, about the sight lines. And in

3879
04:37:05,407 --> 04:37:09,226
particular, about the speeds. This traffic study was based on

3880
04:37:09,327 --> 04:37:14,223
a model. With data from our administration. It doesn't reflect

3881
04:37:14,244 --> 04:37:18,803
what's happening on the ground. The sight lines and the

3882
04:37:18,904 --> 04:37:22,620
speed. And so I have some real concerns about that.

3883
04:37:23,788 --> 04:37:27,047
I also have some concerns with the fact that this

3884
04:37:27,308 --> 04:37:32,967
property is first. Some discussion around whether some 55 is

3885
04:37:33,007 --> 04:37:38,120
next. And then the LPH grounds is rezoned future development

3886
04:37:38,381 --> 04:37:42,412
residential. And the models that were presented were only two

3887
04:37:42,412 --> 04:37:49,816
percent growth. Not looking at future developments. The comment was

3888
04:37:49,917 --> 04:37:52,136
we would have to do further studies in the future.

3889
04:37:53,668 --> 04:37:57,887
So my second issue is really the traffic in that

3890
04:37:57,887 --> 04:38:02,454
issue. And I have to say I am, I was,

3891
04:38:02,494 --> 04:38:05,814
I think explicit early on. Cancer both 30 seconds left.

3892
04:38:05,814 --> 04:38:08,294
Thank you. Thank you. I was explicit and I am

3893
04:38:08,315 --> 04:38:14,249
disappointed that my concerns raised earlier were not addressed. And

3894
04:38:14,249 --> 04:38:20,489
then finally the overall plan, our official plan guides us,

3895
04:38:20,529 --> 04:38:26,991
our administration in its wisdom, designated this community use. If

3896
04:38:27,031 --> 04:38:33,035
you recall, Council actually flipped the LPH grounds. Unfortunately, the

3897
04:38:33,136 --> 04:38:36,790
province flipped it back. The LPH grounds is going to

3898
04:38:36,790 --> 04:38:43,521
be developed. You developed this. 755 and the LPH grounds.

3899
04:38:44,463 --> 04:38:49,704
You fundamentally change this entire area. Thank you, Council. Page

3900
04:38:49,744 --> 04:38:55,409
Grounds developed. We should be leading, please. Order, please. Uh,

3901
04:38:55,670 --> 04:38:57,969
Councillor Fools, I can put you on the second round.

3902
04:38:57,969 --> 04:39:00,929
If you'd like to prefer. Thank you. Um, next up

3903
04:39:01,030 --> 04:39:05,089
I have Councillor Cortuga. Thank you Mr. Speaker. Um, through

3904
04:39:05,129 --> 04:39:10,209
you to, uh, Adrenal, there's talk about traffic and people

3905
04:39:10,310 --> 04:39:15,089
walking and people are crossing from Chartwell. So I know

3906
04:39:15,129 --> 04:39:20,929
that the warrants don't necessarily, um, warrant a stoplight there

3907
04:39:22,310 --> 04:39:25,729
or potential crossover. Um, but has there been other times

3908
04:39:26,630 --> 04:39:28,849
in other places in the community that council has directed

3909
04:39:29,430 --> 04:39:32,729
administration to put these type of things in based on

3910
04:39:33,110 --> 04:39:39,035
concerns in the community. And such. Thank you. And through

3911
04:39:39,035 --> 04:39:43,035
the speaker. Generally speaking, we have fall to will of

3912
04:39:43,035 --> 04:39:44,875
counsel. So if council give us direction to provide some

3913
04:39:44,915 --> 04:39:47,835
kind of controls at intersection, um, we will follow that

3914
04:39:47,835 --> 04:39:51,755
direction. We haven't so much done it for Signalize Intersection.

3915
04:39:51,755 --> 04:39:54,635
Um, we've done it more for stop controls. Always stops

3916
04:39:54,635 --> 04:39:57,275
or stop on side treats. So historically it's been focused

3917
04:39:57,275 --> 04:40:00,795
on, on those type of controls, um, well, it's not

3918
04:40:00,795 --> 04:40:03,915
warranted. We will follow the Council have given that direction.

3919
04:40:03,915 --> 04:40:06,315
I'll add there is existing PXO on a run to

3920
04:40:06,315 --> 04:40:09,835
let Toledo for pedestrian safety today. Thank you for that.

3921
04:40:09,835 --> 04:40:12,395
Um, so that we can address the traffic issues and

3922
04:40:12,416 --> 04:40:16,635
pedestrian safety issues. As far as future developments, you know,

3923
04:40:16,675 --> 04:40:18,315
coming down the line. And we can't predict what's going

3924
04:40:18,315 --> 04:40:20,795
to happen. I mean, and that's part of growing as

3925
04:40:20,795 --> 04:40:25,035
a community. You know, at one point, you know, the,

3926
04:40:25,035 --> 04:40:28,555
uh, people on auto Street next to Toledo had green

3927
04:40:28,595 --> 04:40:31,755
space in there backyard. And then Toledo Street came and

3928
04:40:31,795 --> 04:40:34,395
they lost their green space in the backyard. And that's,

3929
04:40:34,395 --> 04:40:39,515
that's progress. That's growth. Um, you know, administration's recommending this.

3930
04:40:39,515 --> 04:40:42,795
Um, I understand the concerns of the resonance. I've listened

3931
04:40:42,795 --> 04:40:45,228
to them. You know, I owned my first house on

3932
04:40:45,268 --> 04:40:47,708
Hot Ravenue. And I had a little green space in

3933
04:40:47,748 --> 04:40:52,668
behind my house that I utilised. I didn't put a

3934
04:40:52,668 --> 04:40:54,028
fence on it, but I, and I utilised it with

3935
04:40:54,068 --> 04:40:56,828
my children. And, uh, but I checked into it first

3936
04:40:56,929 --> 04:41:00,132
to find out that it couldn't ever be developed. Um,

3937
04:41:00,713 --> 04:41:03,492
just because I, uh, I liked it there. Um, so

3938
04:41:03,532 --> 04:41:06,372
this is a planning decision. And our decisions have to

3939
04:41:06,372 --> 04:41:10,132
be based on planning rational. You know, and everyone seems

3940
04:41:10,153 --> 04:41:13,152
to want growth and housing and in our community, but

3941
04:41:13,673 --> 04:41:17,092
maybe just not beside us, not beside them. And we

3942
04:41:17,092 --> 04:41:20,532
can't have, um, you know, I look at this overall

3943
04:41:20,572 --> 04:41:23,572
plan and it's, it's got more green space than chart

3944
04:41:23,572 --> 04:41:28,144
well across the street. Much more. You know, we talked

3945
04:41:28,144 --> 04:41:30,624
about traffic. We can address that, you know, and we

3946
04:41:30,645 --> 04:41:33,904
talk about growth. I mean, as a community, you know,

3947
04:41:33,904 --> 04:41:36,464
we're always talking about taxes. We're talking about roads. We're

3948
04:41:36,464 --> 04:41:41,456
talking about policing, reducing crime, improving our infrastructure. How do

3949
04:41:41,456 --> 04:41:46,113
you do that. Without. Going to the taxpayers over and

3950
04:41:46,134 --> 04:41:49,677
over again. How do you use a burden on taxpayers?

3951
04:41:49,778 --> 04:41:53,349
Growth. And that's what this is. A million dollars a

3952
04:41:53,349 --> 04:41:58,060
year roughly in taxes. So the more development you have,

3953
04:41:58,060 --> 04:42:01,570
the more it's spread over more people. If we can't,

3954
04:42:01,610 --> 04:42:04,770
we can't sustain by not growing as a community and

3955
04:42:04,810 --> 04:42:09,870
keep raising taxes. So I understand, um, the concerns, you

3956
04:42:09,870 --> 04:42:13,650
know, and the 33 foot easement, I think that's a

3957
04:42:13,650 --> 04:42:17,730
great compromise. I mean, the developers, I know came in

3958
04:42:17,730 --> 04:42:20,530
at 600 units initially. But we as a city asked

3959
04:42:20,530 --> 04:42:24,205
for the best and highest density use. And that's why

3960
04:42:24,546 --> 04:42:26,525
I'm sure they came in that. And then they dropped

3961
04:42:26,565 --> 04:42:30,545
to 400 and now 360. And it could accommodate. Over

3962
04:42:30,566 --> 04:42:35,345
400. Um, so this 33 feet easement provides that buffer

3963
04:42:35,366 --> 04:42:37,905
for the residents that have been utilising that. So we're

3964
04:42:37,945 --> 04:42:42,105
not taking away their land like we potentially could. We

3965
04:42:42,105 --> 04:42:44,465
could potentially take down those fences and put up our

3966
04:42:44,566 --> 04:42:48,190
fence. On the 33 feet. I think what we're doing

3967
04:42:48,230 --> 04:42:51,070
is good compromise. And I think it's, it's taking into

3968
04:42:51,110 --> 04:42:54,430
consideration what they've been utilising and giving them an opportunity

3969
04:42:54,451 --> 04:42:58,830
to purchase that, that property to maintain, you know, um,

3970
04:42:59,171 --> 04:43:02,612
their space. And the bars I can see developer has

3971
04:43:02,633 --> 04:43:06,212
moved those buildings around to be the least impactful on

3972
04:43:06,212 --> 04:43:08,672
Toledo Street as possible from what I see. So, um,

3973
04:43:08,672 --> 04:43:12,532
I'm going to support this, um, resolution, uh, I want

3974
04:43:12,532 --> 04:43:15,572
to see our community grow and, uh, I understand the

3975
04:43:15,612 --> 04:43:17,652
concerns of the residents, but we're going to have this

3976
04:43:18,233 --> 04:43:23,088
everywhere. No one's going to want apart me building beside

3977
04:43:23,088 --> 04:43:30,179
them. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you. Uh, next on

3978
04:43:30,179 --> 04:43:33,539
the list, I have Councillor Agual, then Councillor Aiello and

3979
04:43:33,560 --> 04:43:37,939
Mayor Boschkoff. Councillor Agawa, please. Thank you very much, Speaker.

3980
04:43:39,367 --> 04:43:42,706
I have a few concerns with this as we've been

3981
04:43:42,746 --> 04:43:48,356
presented. Number one, we have one entry in and out.

3982
04:43:49,792 --> 04:43:52,971
Parked L has many concerns in many comments have come

3983
04:43:52,971 --> 04:43:55,451
from people who live there because there's only one way

3984
04:43:55,552 --> 04:43:59,992
in. But we're making an exception on this one. We're

3985
04:43:59,992 --> 04:44:02,472
allowing them to do only one way. If there is

3986
04:44:02,493 --> 04:44:06,792
a broken down vehicle that's blocked the road, then we've

3987
04:44:06,893 --> 04:44:12,011
got 360 units of people. That would be compromised. So

3988
04:44:12,011 --> 04:44:16,691
I guess that's why 755 came along as an exhilary

3989
04:44:16,691 --> 04:44:21,347
road to connect down the road for a realignment. But

3990
04:44:21,448 --> 04:44:24,867
development doesn't happen with one access. All developments that I've

3991
04:44:24,867 --> 04:44:29,827
seen have two except for Parkdale, which is very contentious.

3992
04:44:29,827 --> 04:44:34,713
And many people have complained repeatedly about that. To make

3993
04:44:34,713 --> 04:44:39,593
that exception here with only one entrance, which would be

3994
04:44:39,593 --> 04:44:44,973
a share exit. Is concerning for that many units. As

3995
04:44:44,973 --> 04:44:48,493
I look at FANCHA, the one way in and out

3996
04:44:48,514 --> 04:44:53,458
there. And there's half the number of units there. That's

3997
04:44:53,559 --> 04:44:57,284
one concern. The next concern I have is we hear

3998
04:44:57,284 --> 04:45:02,724
that, you know, the 5, 600 municipalities. We're number 10.

3999
04:45:02,724 --> 04:45:08,450
We have in the top 10 percent for parks. But

4000
04:45:08,490 --> 04:45:11,490
we are making one big mistake that we fail to

4001
04:45:11,591 --> 04:45:15,410
recognise that the majority of parks were requested to us

4002
04:45:15,751 --> 04:45:19,430
by families. You look at Bicker's Park. It was a

4003
04:45:19,430 --> 04:45:22,630
family that gave it to us. You look at chapels.

4004
04:45:22,630 --> 04:45:26,230
It was a family. And now you look at boulevard.

4005
04:45:26,230 --> 04:45:30,529
It was James Lyon. Who gave us that acreage for

4006
04:45:30,529 --> 04:45:39,741
the park. And. That was in 1914. After that, Charles

4007
04:45:39,922 --> 04:45:43,901
Ritchie gave us the other side, the north side of

4008
04:45:44,642 --> 04:45:49,756
the, of Arundel at Boulevard in 1979. Why do we

4009
04:45:49,756 --> 04:45:51,836
have all these parks and why do we boast about

4010
04:45:51,857 --> 04:45:56,188
all these parks? It's not because we did something. Is

4011
04:45:56,188 --> 04:46:04,028
because great benefactors of our community chapels, Mr. Clem Chappell,

4012
04:46:04,028 --> 04:46:10,167
The Crown in 1871 gave us Waverly Park. Catherine Vickers

4013
04:46:10,167 --> 04:46:13,589
gave us Vickers Park. So what are we doing? We're

4014
04:46:13,589 --> 04:46:16,149
saying, you know, thanks. You gave it to us in

4015
04:46:16,149 --> 04:46:20,389
the past. However, now we're not going to follow your

4016
04:46:20,490 --> 04:46:23,429
historic generosity. We're going to do with it what we

4017
04:46:23,469 --> 04:46:27,702
wish. They didn't give it to us to sell off

4018
04:46:27,963 --> 04:46:32,194
for land development. How are we giving out this land.

4019
04:46:33,723 --> 04:46:39,168
That was a part of the original donation. In 1914.

4020
04:46:41,094 --> 04:46:45,964
By Mr. Lyon. He wanted a path around Boulevard. Which

4021
04:46:45,985 --> 04:46:48,844
was gravel and paved and upgraded. There were certain things

4022
04:46:48,844 --> 04:46:51,484
that were noted in what he had donated and how

4023
04:46:51,524 --> 04:46:57,905
he sold. He requested that to our community. So international

4024
04:46:58,006 --> 04:47:04,039
friendship gardens. 1967. The surropters group raised the money and

4025
04:47:04,039 --> 04:47:06,626
did that. Do we say, well, we don't want it.

4026
04:47:06,626 --> 04:47:08,386
Now we want to put an apartment building there because

4027
04:47:08,426 --> 04:47:16,106
we can. These are generous donors of our past. The

4028
04:47:16,106 --> 04:47:19,246
historians that built our community. And why do they build

4029
04:47:19,246 --> 04:47:21,326
it? They built it with that green space in mind

4030
04:47:21,427 --> 04:47:27,581
because they wanted that recreation. If we go against their

4031
04:47:27,602 --> 04:47:32,221
will, are we saying to everybody else, donate, give quest

4032
04:47:32,322 --> 04:47:33,981
us, but we'll do what we want with it in

4033
04:47:33,981 --> 04:47:37,448
the future. I don't think that's right. I don't think

4034
04:47:37,469 --> 04:47:43,435
that's right at all. This land was owned with the

4035
04:47:43,616 --> 04:47:47,903
By - Law 2022. It was number one. As Community

4036
04:47:47,924 --> 04:47:52,388
Zone. It was passed by this Council, right as the

4037
04:47:52,428 --> 04:47:57,514
first thing in the first year of our Council. Community

4038
04:47:57,554 --> 04:47:59,914
Zone. It's within our, it was the same year we

4039
04:47:59,954 --> 04:48:04,078
were told that there's a housing shortage. Our administration brought

4040
04:48:04,099 --> 04:48:07,913
it to us saying, this is Community Zone. And we

4041
04:48:08,014 --> 04:48:11,449
passed our official plan based on that. With these members

4042
04:48:11,790 --> 04:48:16,624
of Council sitting at this table. 30 seconds, please. So

4043
04:48:17,845 --> 04:48:20,544
how are we changing your mind when the housing studies

4044
04:48:20,725 --> 04:48:26,059
were at the same time. Nothing's changed. We've got to

4045
04:48:26,099 --> 04:48:30,145
respect the historians of our community. We've got to respect

4046
04:48:30,166 --> 04:48:34,444
the requests that we received. Those are generous requests that

4047
04:48:34,484 --> 04:48:39,063
people left us as legacy for their families. And we

4048
04:48:39,063 --> 04:48:42,906
must respect that. I ask everyone to really think about

4049
04:48:43,007 --> 04:48:45,695
what we're doing here on this land. Of the history

4050
04:48:45,735 --> 04:48:50,455
that was given. Because it was not ours. And they

4051
04:48:50,455 --> 04:48:53,003
didn't have to give it to us. Thank you. Councillor

4052
04:48:53,024 --> 04:48:58,923
Ayala, please. Thank you. And through the speaker, while I

4053
04:48:58,963 --> 04:49:05,243
share pretty much all the sentiments, I'll apologies. Um, administration,

4054
04:49:05,243 --> 04:49:07,963
uh, likes to provide some rebuttals to the Councillor Egge

4055
04:49:08,064 --> 04:49:10,603
walls. Thank you. Speaker. I just wish to go to

4056
04:49:11,104 --> 04:49:15,243
Director Deputer just to clarify these lens and, uh, there

4057
04:49:15,283 --> 04:49:18,763
was a comment made around which lands may have been

4058
04:49:18,763 --> 04:49:21,083
donated. I just wish to go to Director Deputer just

4059
04:49:21,083 --> 04:49:23,963
to confirm the information that we have on the file.

4060
04:49:24,003 --> 04:49:27,943
Very good. Dr. Deputer, please. Yes, just, uh, just, uh,

4061
04:49:28,144 --> 04:49:31,083
want to clarify that these specific lands were not part

4062
04:49:31,083 --> 04:49:34,523
of the lying trust. Those surrounding lands that are part

4063
04:49:34,523 --> 04:49:42,046
of the Boulevard Lake Park area were. We were told

4064
04:49:42,307 --> 04:49:44,606
just earlier. Councillor, I can put you on the second

4065
04:49:44,606 --> 04:49:46,846
round. Yeah. But I just want to clarify, but we

4066
04:49:46,886 --> 04:49:49,086
were told by the administration that this was part of

4067
04:49:49,126 --> 04:49:54,996
the same. Okay. Well, we can clarify further. It was,

4068
04:49:54,996 --> 04:49:58,596
uh, administration stated that this land was part of the

4069
04:49:58,777 --> 04:50:02,916
boulevard Lake Park Complex. This particular land is not part

4070
04:50:02,956 --> 04:50:06,596
of the line trust that was donated to the City.

4071
04:50:06,596 --> 04:50:09,462
Thank you. Thank you. Councillor, would you like to be

4072
04:50:09,502 --> 04:50:16,526
put on the second round. Great. Councillor, please. Thanks. Okay,

4073
04:50:16,526 --> 04:50:18,986
we'll try it again. Thank you through the speaker. Um,

4074
04:50:19,587 --> 04:50:21,166
just going to go back. I share a lot of

4075
04:50:21,206 --> 04:50:24,686
the sentiments of, uh, Councillor Gutuga. I think he's, he's

4076
04:50:24,686 --> 04:50:28,526
right on target. The need for growth. Again, it's something

4077
04:50:28,526 --> 04:50:33,326
that we've been starving for, for years. Um, and we're

4078
04:50:33,427 --> 04:50:37,566
finally getting it. And I do consider it smart growth.

4079
04:50:37,566 --> 04:50:40,846
Um, I think it's really, really important to, um, acknowledge

4080
04:50:40,886 --> 04:50:45,566
the work of the developer. In this case and really

4081
04:50:45,566 --> 04:50:49,226
listening to the constituents as far as, you know, what

4082
04:50:49,226 --> 04:50:52,846
they wanted to see. Um, you know, the overall, the

4083
04:50:52,867 --> 04:50:59,066
overall project, their ability to accommodate really the needs. And

4084
04:50:59,066 --> 04:51:01,486
I believe just, you know, one of the residents stated

4085
04:51:01,486 --> 04:51:04,526
that and that he was very, very much aware of

4086
04:51:04,526 --> 04:51:12,286
it. Um, you know, through, through, through Site Plan Control,

4087
04:51:12,286 --> 04:51:14,446
and, um, you know, other forms of studies and stuff.

4088
04:51:14,446 --> 04:51:17,326
I think everything, everything will be, will be addressed. I'm

4089
04:51:17,347 --> 04:51:20,526
very confident, you know, we've sat through how many of

4090
04:51:20,566 --> 04:51:24,846
these on council where, you know, we, we have zonening

4091
04:51:24,886 --> 04:51:27,710
amendments. And, you know, a lot of times the same

4092
04:51:27,710 --> 04:51:31,150
concerns. And, you know, if you look at the development

4093
04:51:31,811 --> 04:51:34,990
on, on Junot, again, one way in, one way out,

4094
04:51:34,990 --> 04:51:36,590
all it's going to be crazy. It's going to be

4095
04:51:36,851 --> 04:51:42,825
so much traffic, not an issue at all. It's great.

4096
04:51:42,865 --> 04:51:46,665
It's great for the, for that community. Um, it doesn't

4097
04:51:46,686 --> 04:51:50,905
lower property values. All this stuff, all these concerns, just,

4098
04:51:50,905 --> 04:51:55,145
you know, didn't happen, you know, as well as, as,

4099
04:51:55,145 --> 04:52:02,383
uh. Again, John C Road, a series of, of big

4100
04:52:02,423 --> 04:52:06,943
apartment buildings, beautifies the area. Looks very great. Um, just

4101
04:52:06,983 --> 04:52:10,623
a lot of those concerns just never materialized. Um, again,

4102
04:52:10,663 --> 04:52:14,303
and that is done through, uh, cooperation and work between

4103
04:52:14,804 --> 04:52:20,443
our administration, uh, the developer and Site Plant Control. Um,

4104
04:52:20,443 --> 04:52:23,343
we have to have, have faith that all these things

4105
04:52:23,364 --> 04:52:26,143
will get looked at and they are concerns. And I

4106
04:52:26,143 --> 04:52:28,783
understand where the residents are coming from, uh, but fear

4107
04:52:28,884 --> 04:52:33,023
of the unknown is exactly that. You know, you could

4108
04:52:33,524 --> 04:52:37,503
think worst case scenarios, um, but they, they very rarely,

4109
04:52:37,503 --> 04:52:40,543
if ever, ever come to light. So I am in

4110
04:52:40,583 --> 04:52:44,063
support of this. I think it's, uh, it's, it's a

4111
04:52:44,063 --> 04:52:47,983
great movement forward. Um, and again, um, you know, we're

4112
04:52:48,023 --> 04:52:51,823
dealing with a housing crisis for sure. We're dealing with

4113
04:52:52,004 --> 04:52:58,223
a tremendous, uh, shortfall in our, um, in our capital

4114
04:52:58,804 --> 04:53:02,623
and stuff that we need to, uh, our set management

4115
04:53:02,804 --> 04:53:06,843
plan. We need to, we need to repair things. And

4116
04:53:06,843 --> 04:53:10,617
we need money to do that. And, um. Uh, this

4117
04:53:10,718 --> 04:53:14,302
is probably one way to do it. Thank you. The

4118
04:53:14,342 --> 04:53:18,768
start anyway. Thank you. Thank you. Next up, uh, Mirror

4119
04:53:18,808 --> 04:53:23,568
Boschkov. Councillor Tranny and Councillor Benthaschkov, please. Thanks so much.

4120
04:53:26,877 --> 04:53:32,936
Overriding all of this, I'm more astonished that some people,

4121
04:53:32,957 --> 04:53:36,776
some members of Council seemingly do not seem to think

4122
04:53:36,797 --> 04:53:40,678
that we are in a housing crisis. We have a

4123
04:53:40,718 --> 04:53:44,278
housing shortage in which to find good places for people

4124
04:53:44,379 --> 04:53:50,118
to live. We have a proposal with, uh, developers who's

4125
04:53:50,139 --> 04:53:54,998
yielded pretty much to every concern. And, uh, we've got

4126
04:53:55,019 --> 04:53:58,758
the province and the feds patting us on the back

4127
04:53:58,939 --> 04:54:03,318
for our success in building more homes. And, uh, and

4128
04:54:03,358 --> 04:54:08,678
here is a, uh, an amazing compromise on that lake.

4129
04:54:08,678 --> 04:54:10,518
It's not like we're going to pave the whole thing

4130
04:54:10,699 --> 04:54:15,238
or do anything like that. So I, uh, the fact

4131
04:54:15,259 --> 04:54:20,278
that the proponent is listened and agreed to much more

4132
04:54:20,318 --> 04:54:25,478
than, uh, less than max is to me, uh, the

4133
04:54:25,518 --> 04:54:28,078
kind of attitude that you want when you're going to

4134
04:54:28,078 --> 04:54:31,558
be entering into some kind of business proposition with someone

4135
04:54:31,579 --> 04:54:34,438
who's going to invest multi millions of dollars into your

4136
04:54:34,459 --> 04:54:39,958
community. So, but more importantly, what is the message that

4137
04:54:40,059 --> 04:54:43,718
we're sending people to thinking and moving here, uh, when,

4138
04:54:43,758 --> 04:54:47,878
when we're turning down affordable housing or reasonable, we price

4139
04:54:47,878 --> 04:54:52,358
housing. Knowing that they could have a place like this,

4140
04:54:52,358 --> 04:54:55,878
it's a real incentive. We're spending hundreds of thousands of

4141
04:54:55,899 --> 04:54:59,158
dollars trying to get people to move here and get

4142
04:54:59,179 --> 04:55:04,118
people to invest. So, uh, I've listened to this argument

4143
04:55:04,779 --> 04:55:08,678
as we all have for, for many hours, every NIMBY

4144
04:55:08,718 --> 04:55:13,158
argument has been addressed. And if we're going to be

4145
04:55:13,158 --> 04:55:16,998
a welcoming community, uh, then let's build decent homes for

4146
04:55:17,038 --> 04:55:21,398
people. What is wrong with that? And we don't want

4147
04:55:21,398 --> 04:55:22,998
to just want these at homes. We want them to

4148
04:55:23,099 --> 04:55:26,598
love living here. And you know what? That part of

4149
04:55:26,619 --> 04:55:30,278
current river is spectacular. And I, you know what, it's

4150
04:55:30,278 --> 04:55:34,198
as good as we could possibly get. So, uh, and

4151
04:55:34,299 --> 04:55:39,638
I truly believe that those who donated this land to

4152
04:55:39,638 --> 04:55:45,238
build, uh, boulevard Lake would want people to live there.

4153
04:55:45,238 --> 04:55:49,318
And so I'm just going to leave it at that.

4154
04:55:49,318 --> 04:55:53,958
And that they knew that their successors would have people

4155
04:55:53,979 --> 04:55:57,558
who also want it to help people to find decent

4156
04:55:57,659 --> 04:56:04,097
housing housing. Thank you. Thank you. Councillor Attraeney, please. Thank

4157
04:56:04,137 --> 04:56:07,037
you. Through the speaker, just because of some of the

4158
04:56:07,037 --> 04:56:11,377
commentary, I just, a development, you know, there was some

4159
04:56:11,377 --> 04:56:14,817
discussion about, uh, a development and the housing and having

4160
04:56:14,918 --> 04:56:18,417
one access. But that's different than an apartment building. Is

4161
04:56:18,457 --> 04:56:21,457
it unusual or uncommon to have one access to an

4162
04:56:21,497 --> 04:56:29,895
apartment building. Uh, through the speaker, it's not unusual to

4163
04:56:29,935 --> 04:56:33,753
have one access. To apartment complex, uh, but definitely the

4164
04:56:33,753 --> 04:56:36,233
concern is noted and something we can examine at the

4165
04:56:36,273 --> 04:56:40,082
Site Plan Control stage. Thank you. And then I want

4166
04:56:40,082 --> 04:56:42,882
to go back to the lion Boulevard piece. I'm sorry

4167
04:56:42,922 --> 04:56:45,602
to, to go back to that, but it was included

4168
04:56:45,623 --> 04:56:49,282
in one, but wasn't included in the others. Um, I

4169
04:56:49,303 --> 04:56:52,882
believe it's future development. It's not in our projected budgets

4170
04:56:53,063 --> 04:56:56,082
for next year or like our budgets right now or

4171
04:56:56,082 --> 04:57:00,482
what roughly three years out projected. Where is this looking

4172
04:57:00,522 --> 04:57:03,682
at for future development? I just, you know, once it

4173
04:57:03,682 --> 04:57:06,402
was added to a plan, whether it be shouldn't have

4174
04:57:06,402 --> 04:57:10,882
been, you know, irregardless, it was. And I just want

4175
04:57:10,922 --> 04:57:14,322
to have a better idea about that. So the conceptual

4176
04:57:14,343 --> 04:57:17,662
road was shown on the plan through the speaker, uh,

4177
04:57:17,863 --> 04:57:20,962
to demonstrate that the development did not interfere with the

4178
04:57:21,543 --> 04:57:26,462
conceptual future road and all turnover to director Medima, uh,

4179
04:57:26,462 --> 04:57:30,125
to provide the background on this future Street. Potential future

4180
04:57:30,146 --> 04:57:33,862
Street. Thank you. Under the speaker, so this north -

4181
04:57:33,862 --> 04:57:36,102
south collector road that would connect a run of Sogoma

4182
04:57:36,203 --> 04:57:37,782
has been long - term plan part of the Cities

4183
04:57:37,803 --> 04:57:40,342
Transportation Master Pining. I would say it dates back to

4184
04:57:40,363 --> 04:57:44,022
1987 and that transportation plan at the time recommended as

4185
04:57:44,043 --> 04:57:46,822
a whole network improvement for that corridor to have a

4186
04:57:46,822 --> 04:57:49,702
new collector road, the exact alignment and how it configured

4187
04:57:49,742 --> 04:57:52,022
through lands was to be determined as future studies and

4188
04:57:52,022 --> 04:57:54,342
the area growed. But this is kind of a long

4189
04:57:54,363 --> 04:57:56,182
- term plan road that the city's always known about

4190
04:57:56,283 --> 04:57:59,542
and it's been reaffirmed and updated transportation master plan studies

4191
04:58:00,203 --> 04:58:03,382
2019 with most recent one being kind reaffirming that need

4192
04:58:03,422 --> 04:58:05,702
for that road is still desired to help improve traffic

4193
04:58:05,702 --> 04:58:08,539
flow in that area. Thank you. So this has been

4194
04:58:08,560 --> 04:58:11,259
planned for quite some time as future development. It wasn't

4195
04:58:11,280 --> 04:58:15,497
because of this potential. Building. Three speaker that is correct.

4196
04:58:15,537 --> 04:58:18,777
Thank you. And then, um, environmental assessment and traffic studies.

4197
04:58:20,839 --> 04:58:22,898
Is that it? That's done. We're not doing that anymore.

4198
04:58:22,898 --> 04:58:24,818
We can't do that anymore. Or is there still an

4199
04:58:24,818 --> 04:58:27,458
opportunity to still receive some of that data in case

4200
04:58:28,279 --> 04:58:30,218
some there may need to be some alterations? Like I

4201
04:58:30,218 --> 04:58:37,778
said earlier, something smaller or. Pardon me through the speaker,

4202
04:58:37,778 --> 04:58:43,842
the, uh. We, you know, administration will be, uh, requesting

4203
04:58:44,103 --> 04:58:47,362
an additional look at the, at the, um, Grey Fox

4204
04:58:48,583 --> 04:58:52,082
survey for Dens, uh, recognising some of the concerns I've

4205
04:58:52,082 --> 04:58:54,802
been heard from the neighbours and, uh, pictures that have

4206
04:58:54,802 --> 04:58:57,601
been provided. Of the animal in the area. And, um,

4207
04:58:57,882 --> 04:59:02,181
also the traffic study that is submitted is preliminary and

4208
04:59:02,842 --> 04:59:06,821
would be further refined as the, uh, as a design

4209
04:59:07,082 --> 04:59:10,581
continues, um, and, uh, submitted as a final report to

4210
04:59:10,621 --> 04:59:14,215
the Site Plaft Control Process. Thank you for that. Speaker,

4211
04:59:14,215 --> 04:59:16,381
how much time do I have left. Two minutes. I'll

4212
04:59:16,381 --> 04:59:20,743
go on the second round, please. Thank you. Very good.

4213
04:59:20,743 --> 04:59:25,063
Councillor Bent's, please. Thank you, Speaker. I was impressed this

4214
04:59:25,103 --> 04:59:27,943
evening with, with the people that came forward, both foreign

4215
04:59:27,983 --> 04:59:32,163
against, you know, your passion and your research and the

4216
04:59:32,163 --> 04:59:34,903
time you put into this. That's really important to a

4217
04:59:34,943 --> 04:59:40,423
community. However, this item is decided. I mean, your voice

4218
04:59:40,423 --> 04:59:44,823
is important. And I'm happy that you came out and

4219
04:59:44,844 --> 04:59:49,734
engage in democracy. Um, I guess what this comes down

4220
04:59:49,774 --> 04:59:54,694
to is, is managing change and managing growth for the

4221
04:59:54,734 --> 05:00:00,054
future. Uh, so our assessment, um, growth in this community

4222
05:00:00,475 --> 05:00:03,304
is below a percent. Uh, which is low in the

4223
05:00:03,344 --> 05:00:06,984
province. We're not, we're not a growth community. The result

4224
05:00:07,005 --> 05:00:14,326
of that is a deteriorating infrastructure. And taxation. That's what

4225
05:00:14,347 --> 05:00:18,886
happens when, when you're not growing assessment. And that's why

4226
05:00:18,907 --> 05:00:22,326
this council set out on a growth strategy. Um, we

4227
05:00:22,427 --> 05:00:25,906
see it as a way to manage the infrastructure, uh,

4228
05:00:26,027 --> 05:00:29,446
deficit that we currently have. Uh, we see it as

4229
05:00:29,547 --> 05:00:34,086
a way to, um, attract business. And part of attracting

4230
05:00:34,187 --> 05:00:38,806
business and having people, um, being comfortable in your community

4231
05:00:38,827 --> 05:00:41,366
is for them to have a place to call home.

4232
05:00:41,366 --> 05:00:46,726
Um, you know, I'm very concerned. I'm a fortunate person.

4233
05:00:46,726 --> 05:00:49,126
I have a place to call home. Uh, there are

4234
05:00:49,166 --> 05:00:52,646
some people though that cannot find a place to live.

4235
05:00:52,646 --> 05:00:56,246
And, and I can't imagine how anxiety provoking that would

4236
05:00:56,246 --> 05:00:59,446
be, not to have a place to live. Um, so

4237
05:01:00,027 --> 05:01:05,686
I'm very focused on providing housing. Um, that's not to

4238
05:01:05,726 --> 05:01:08,866
say I'm going to put housing in every park. Um,

4239
05:01:08,866 --> 05:01:14,006
this is a vacant piece of land adjacent to a

4240
05:01:14,046 --> 05:01:18,806
massive park. Um, I am not worried about Thunder Bay

4241
05:01:18,846 --> 05:01:22,726
not having enough Parkland. What I'm worried about is Thunder

4242
05:01:22,827 --> 05:01:25,926
Bay not having enough money to maintain the parks it

4243
05:01:25,926 --> 05:01:28,886
has. Uh, you just have to drive the road of

4244
05:01:28,987 --> 05:01:34,149
Chipwa to see, um, the state of our infrastructure. There's

4245
05:01:34,170 --> 05:01:37,489
more patch on that road than there is pavement. And

4246
05:01:37,530 --> 05:01:41,509
that's what concerns me is, is, you know, I want

4247
05:01:41,530 --> 05:01:45,349
quality on a certain standard of quality of life for

4248
05:01:45,370 --> 05:01:50,469
our residents here. And that's going to take, um, that's

4249
05:01:50,469 --> 05:01:52,929
going to take money. That's going to take money. And

4250
05:01:52,970 --> 05:01:56,529
it needs growth in order to happen. So, you know,

4251
05:01:56,529 --> 05:02:00,229
I think we have to keep all these things in

4252
05:02:00,269 --> 05:02:07,252
mind, uh, as we, as we move forward. Zoning changes.

4253
05:02:07,252 --> 05:02:09,732
That's what these procedures are for, right? That's why we

4254
05:02:09,772 --> 05:02:13,732
have these sessions to decide the merits of whether or

4255
05:02:13,732 --> 05:02:17,412
not we're going to change zoning. I happen to feel

4256
05:02:17,412 --> 05:02:21,732
that, um, not just Thunder Bay, Canada is in a

4257
05:02:21,772 --> 05:02:24,772
housing crisis. And that's one of the reasons why they

4258
05:02:25,433 --> 05:02:30,612
kind of tapped back on immigration. Um, we need immigration

4259
05:02:30,652 --> 05:02:33,492
in this country to succeed. Uh, if we didn't have

4260
05:02:33,593 --> 05:02:38,052
immigration, our, um, our population would be shrinking in this

4261
05:02:38,092 --> 05:02:42,372
country. And we could not, uh, become an economic success

4262
05:02:42,473 --> 05:02:45,252
story. Um, so I see this as part of the

4263
05:02:45,273 --> 05:02:48,532
bigger picture too. We need to provide housing. We need

4264
05:02:48,532 --> 05:02:53,572
to provide, uh, welcoming communities where people are happily housed

4265
05:02:54,553 --> 05:02:57,572
and happy to be in Canada, not just for our

4266
05:02:57,612 --> 05:03:00,372
own residents, but we've got a lot of people joining

4267
05:03:00,473 --> 05:03:03,492
our country. And we have to be cognizant of that.

4268
05:03:04,793 --> 05:03:08,132
There's people, you know, 12 people living in a place

4269
05:03:08,153 --> 05:03:12,052
that should only accommodate six. I mean, there is a

4270
05:03:12,092 --> 05:03:16,992
housing problem. Um, I see this as a benefit, not

4271
05:03:16,992 --> 05:03:19,472
only for people looking for housing at the moment, but

4272
05:03:19,833 --> 05:03:22,852
long term, we need a diversity of housing in the

4273
05:03:22,892 --> 05:03:26,292
community. We're an aging community. Um, there's going to be

4274
05:03:26,292 --> 05:03:29,652
a lot of downsizing and apartments and condominiums are going

4275
05:03:29,652 --> 05:03:33,492
to be important in that mix. Um, so I will

4276
05:03:33,532 --> 05:03:39,497
be supporting this. And I do want to say to

4277
05:03:39,497 --> 05:03:43,417
developers out there, we want, we want growth. We want

4278
05:03:43,457 --> 05:03:47,797
development. And we don't want to be a roadblock. You

4279
05:03:47,797 --> 05:03:51,177
come with a good plan. We'll go through the zoning

4280
05:03:51,278 --> 05:03:55,897
process. And, uh, we have to do, I think our

4281
05:03:55,937 --> 05:03:59,097
part here and bringing the housing that we need desperately

4282
05:03:59,278 --> 05:04:03,417
in Thunder Bay. Thank you, Speaker. Thank you. Uh, Councillor

4283
05:04:03,438 --> 05:04:06,537
Oliver, please. Thank you, Speaker. Um, I want to begin

4284
05:04:06,558 --> 05:04:09,337
by thinking everyone that's come this evening as well to

4285
05:04:09,358 --> 05:04:12,937
a democracy is an important and vital aspect to the

4286
05:04:12,958 --> 05:04:17,817
way our governance works. And so, um, recognising the time

4287
05:04:17,857 --> 05:04:19,977
and effort that you've put in in the studying and

4288
05:04:20,017 --> 05:04:22,457
everything that you've done as well too. I mean, kudos

4289
05:04:22,497 --> 05:04:27,177
to everyone for your passion. Um, further, I just want

4290
05:04:27,177 --> 05:04:29,977
to echo a lot of what Councillor Bentz just said,

4291
05:04:29,977 --> 05:04:33,577
those similar, I was similar line of thought. The thing

4292
05:04:33,598 --> 05:04:36,857
is that, uh, I think is sort of missing from

4293
05:04:36,897 --> 05:04:40,017
this conversation is around the discussion around affordable housing. I

4294
05:04:40,017 --> 05:04:43,417
mean, we were, many, the commentary about what the monthly

4295
05:04:43,598 --> 05:04:45,657
rents are for these apartment buildings. And I think it's

4296
05:04:45,697 --> 05:04:48,377
important to recognise that this is filling a gap that

4297
05:04:48,417 --> 05:04:51,737
we do have where people don't have somewhere else to

4298
05:04:51,777 --> 05:04:54,377
go. So they're staying in their homes longer, which is

4299
05:04:54,377 --> 05:04:57,257
then driving up costs, which is then impacting the ability

4300
05:04:57,278 --> 05:05:00,217
for people to get into the housing market. I know

4301
05:05:00,257 --> 05:05:04,537
that obviously tonight we heard people in opposition, but it

4302
05:05:04,577 --> 05:05:06,537
is important to recognise that I know we've all heard

4303
05:05:06,577 --> 05:05:09,417
from people in support of this program or this project

4304
05:05:09,758 --> 05:05:12,617
rather because they are looking to downsize. They are looking

4305
05:05:12,617 --> 05:05:15,877
for opportunities to stay in their neighbourhood. And as, you

4306
05:05:15,877 --> 05:05:18,137
know, developers have said on a few occasions that we've

4307
05:05:18,177 --> 05:05:23,577
had conversations, um, it they find that creating residential or

4308
05:05:23,577 --> 05:05:26,617
creating housing within residential areas where people have called home

4309
05:05:26,617 --> 05:05:29,417
for a long time. That's where people want to live.

4310
05:05:29,417 --> 05:05:32,217
That's where they've, they've spent their time raising their families

4311
05:05:32,318 --> 05:05:34,697
and creating their memories and looking to downsize into something

4312
05:05:35,198 --> 05:05:37,977
smaller, but staying in their neighbourhood. It's so vital and

4313
05:05:38,017 --> 05:05:42,697
important that developers are investing into our community that way.

4314
05:05:42,697 --> 05:05:45,497
And then further recognising as well too, there are off

4315
05:05:45,497 --> 05:05:48,297
ramps. If the further studies do identify that there are

4316
05:05:48,558 --> 05:05:52,597
issues around, you know, water and sewer lines and, you

4317
05:05:52,597 --> 05:05:55,497
know, even to some extent traffic studies, there are off

4318
05:05:55,537 --> 05:05:58,057
ramps to revisit the design of this property and to

4319
05:05:58,057 --> 05:06:02,217
ensure that it correlates with what's available and making those

4320
05:06:02,238 --> 05:06:05,877
needs making ensuring those needs are met. So, you know,

4321
05:06:05,998 --> 05:06:09,177
recognising how important it is to have people choosing Thunder

4322
05:06:09,358 --> 05:06:12,597
Bay, uh, finding a place to live. We, you know,

4323
05:06:12,597 --> 05:06:15,977
speaking to Councillor Ben's comments around immigration and how vitally

4324
05:06:15,998 --> 05:06:19,097
important it is, while other parts of the country may

4325
05:06:19,118 --> 05:06:24,277
not be experiencing, uh, experiencing the same level of, uh,

4326
05:06:24,318 --> 05:06:27,977
population challengers and barriers like we are, we are going

4327
05:06:27,977 --> 05:06:30,217
to rely on immigration. We do not have the birth

4328
05:06:30,238 --> 05:06:33,337
rates to support the people that we need to work

4329
05:06:33,377 --> 05:06:37,177
in this, uh, in this district. And that's even taking

4330
05:06:37,217 --> 05:06:39,737
into consideration the jobs available today not to mention any

4331
05:06:39,777 --> 05:06:41,977
of the jobs that are coming along with the mining

4332
05:06:42,017 --> 05:06:46,297
sector. And we are going to, to be relying on

4333
05:06:46,337 --> 05:06:49,497
that since 2013, we've been hearing about how our population

4334
05:06:49,598 --> 05:06:51,817
growth is so stagnant and how desperate we are to

4335
05:06:51,817 --> 05:06:54,197
get people to move here and choose Thunder Bay. All

4336
05:06:54,197 --> 05:06:56,697
of this is really important in terms of being an

4337
05:06:56,697 --> 05:06:59,337
attractive place. And so with that in mind, I will

4338
05:06:59,337 --> 05:07:03,652
be supporting this. Thank you. Thank you. See no other

4339
05:07:03,692 --> 05:07:05,892
speakers on the first round. I'll go to the second

4340
05:07:05,993 --> 05:07:11,578
round with Councillor Foltz. Councillor False, please. Very good. Councillor

4341
05:07:11,578 --> 05:07:15,249
Hamilton, second round. Speaker, yeah, I just wanted to offer

4342
05:07:15,270 --> 05:07:19,169
some closing comments. Um, obviously, uh, this is a really

4343
05:07:19,209 --> 05:07:21,809
interesting site. It's not in Mikela Ward specifically, but I

4344
05:07:21,809 --> 05:07:24,289
just like to speak about, um, what this means for

4345
05:07:24,390 --> 05:07:27,969
Mikel Award. This project is actually, uh, pegged at a

4346
05:07:28,009 --> 05:07:31,649
B in about 110 million dollars to completion. So this

4347
05:07:31,689 --> 05:07:35,149
means jobs for residents for folks that I represent, uh,

4348
05:07:35,270 --> 05:07:38,589
to Councillor Benza's point. These are, these are taxes. Uh,

4349
05:07:38,710 --> 05:07:41,169
here that are going to be fixing roads in the

4350
05:07:41,190 --> 05:07:44,509
ward that I represent. Um, and ultimately this is, you

4351
05:07:44,509 --> 05:07:46,049
know, housing is good at how we're going to land

4352
05:07:46,070 --> 05:07:49,889
growth. Alsom needs in 27 and 28, 29. They're going

4353
05:07:49,889 --> 05:07:53,009
to be ramping up to hire, I think, 500 workers.

4354
05:07:53,009 --> 05:07:56,769
Um, uh, the, the correctional facility needs three or 400

4355
05:07:56,809 --> 05:08:01,169
new staff. Um, people need homes and places to live.

4356
05:08:01,169 --> 05:08:02,609
And also, uh, people that are aging out of their

4357
05:08:02,609 --> 05:08:04,929
homes need places to downsize. So I think that's really

4358
05:08:04,969 --> 05:08:07,729
important. I also just want to just quickly just reiterate

4359
05:08:07,769 --> 05:08:09,549
the thank you, not only to the folks in the

4360
05:08:09,549 --> 05:08:12,349
gallery tonight that spoke so eloquently to this issue. And

4361
05:08:12,349 --> 05:08:15,009
I do appreciate that. Especially the comments about the critters

4362
05:08:15,830 --> 05:08:19,169
and that's actually really impactful for me. I share that

4363
05:08:19,209 --> 05:08:21,469
same, but also to the people that sent in, uh,

4364
05:08:21,590 --> 05:08:25,709
dozens and dozens of emails, both for and against. And

4365
05:08:25,709 --> 05:08:27,569
I just also want to recognise the value in this

4366
05:08:27,609 --> 05:08:30,289
land. And I think this land is sacred. Um, it

4367
05:08:30,329 --> 05:08:33,009
is. And for that particular reason is actually all the

4368
05:08:33,009 --> 05:08:35,809
more reason that I think that, um, people are going

4369
05:08:35,809 --> 05:08:38,609
to make this place their home. And not forever homes

4370
05:08:38,630 --> 05:08:41,729
too, uh, we're building 360 units here at the developer

4371
05:08:41,750 --> 05:08:43,809
is, but we're probably going to be cycling over the

4372
05:08:43,849 --> 05:08:47,809
next several decades going to be cycling thousands and thousands

4373
05:08:47,849 --> 05:08:51,329
of residents and families through those, uh, particular units. So,

4374
05:08:51,329 --> 05:08:54,609
um, so I just wanted to offer those, uh, and,

4375
05:08:54,609 --> 05:08:56,449
and just make a note about the cascading effect of

4376
05:08:56,470 --> 05:08:58,849
development like this. So, uh, thank you to all the

4377
05:08:58,849 --> 05:09:03,089
speakers. Thanks to administration for your tireless work on this,

4378
05:09:03,089 --> 05:09:06,449
uh, and thanks to everyone for and against, uh, these

4379
05:09:06,630 --> 05:09:11,089
decisions aren't easy. So thank you. Thank you. Councillor Attorney,

4380
05:09:11,089 --> 05:09:14,707
please on the second round. Thank you through the speaker.

4381
05:09:14,707 --> 05:09:19,267
Um, you know, we've had everyone thanking the deputants tonight.

4382
05:09:19,267 --> 05:09:21,347
And of course I would share the same they have

4383
05:09:21,347 --> 05:09:22,627
done a lot of work. We've done a lot of

4384
05:09:22,648 --> 05:09:26,467
work, administrations done a lot of work. Um, really appreciating

4385
05:09:26,488 --> 05:09:30,307
that work. Uh, personally, I love walking Boulevard Lake and

4386
05:09:30,347 --> 05:09:32,947
its paths. It was my home for quite a while.

4387
05:09:32,947 --> 05:09:34,947
And Kurt River was my playground growing up. So I

4388
05:09:34,987 --> 05:09:37,987
understand the connection that people have to this area. This

4389
05:09:38,008 --> 05:09:41,107
decision, it's not easy. Balancing housing, we need the things

4390
05:09:41,147 --> 05:09:44,467
that we have to balance the things that people value

4391
05:09:44,467 --> 05:09:47,027
about their neighbourhood. And it's just not easy to be

4392
05:09:47,067 --> 05:09:50,207
able to just quickly come up with an answer. But

4393
05:09:50,207 --> 05:09:52,307
I do want to say something briefly about how this

4394
05:09:52,488 --> 05:09:55,027
is unfolded. And I've already alluded to that I'd like

4395
05:09:55,027 --> 05:09:58,227
to work with administrations so that we can, I'm going

4396
05:09:58,227 --> 05:10:00,707
to use the word fix, but definitely look at and

4397
05:10:00,707 --> 05:10:04,143
examine this process. For those who might not realise around

4398
05:10:04,164 --> 05:10:10,383
the table, um, I've had personal attacks, threats, milling comments,

4399
05:10:10,383 --> 05:10:12,783
inappropriate names, things that you would never say to your

4400
05:10:12,783 --> 05:10:15,503
mother. Um, some of this has happened on social media

4401
05:10:15,604 --> 05:10:20,463
through phone calls, emails and in person. I welcome disagreement.

4402
05:10:20,463 --> 05:10:23,503
That is part of the job, but threats personal tax

4403
05:10:23,684 --> 05:10:26,943
and accusations that even an accusation that councillors around this

4404
05:10:26,983 --> 05:10:30,943
table have been bribed for this. That's crossed the line.

4405
05:10:30,943 --> 05:10:32,863
And I'm just going to leave that there because I

4406
05:10:32,903 --> 05:10:35,663
really've really given enough air time. But none of that's

4407
05:10:35,663 --> 05:10:38,383
going to determine how I make my decision tonight. My

4408
05:10:38,484 --> 05:10:42,143
responsibility is to listen, ask questions, consider all the information

4409
05:10:42,564 --> 05:10:45,503
brought forward and make the best decision for our community.

4410
05:10:46,324 --> 05:10:50,463
About a month ago, Council voted unanimously on a 41

4411
05:10:51,284 --> 05:10:55,023
single dwelling unit in a much larger green space footprint.

4412
05:10:56,013 --> 05:11:01,101
Why? Because we need housing. Unanimously. Tonight, we're looking at

4413
05:11:01,282 --> 05:11:06,541
approximately 360 units on a much smaller footprint, about one

4414
05:11:06,562 --> 05:11:11,304
third the size. And I hear a concerns about affordability.

4415
05:11:11,304 --> 05:11:13,784
And I agree affordability is an issue. But we need

4416
05:11:13,885 --> 05:11:16,664
housing across the continuum. We've talked about that around this

4417
05:11:16,704 --> 05:11:20,184
table a lot. People who want to downsize professionals looking

4418
05:11:20,224 --> 05:11:23,784
for apartments, families who can't afford to buy and young

4419
05:11:23,824 --> 05:11:27,064
adults who want to move out of their parents'basement. This

4420
05:11:27,485 --> 05:11:31,077
spills that gap. We continue to do the other work

4421
05:11:31,117 --> 05:11:34,277
through the housing of four ability action plan that we

4422
05:11:34,317 --> 05:11:37,317
discussed about a month ago through DSAB and through our

4423
05:11:37,498 --> 05:11:40,577
provincial and federal partners. And finally, I'll go back to

4424
05:11:40,918 --> 05:11:44,657
this process. I really, really want to see this process

4425
05:11:44,998 --> 05:11:48,577
examined and I'll be working with administration. And hopefully we

4426
05:11:48,577 --> 05:11:52,015
can bring something forward at our next council meeting. We

4427
05:11:52,036 --> 05:11:55,455
need to learn from what happened and improve how we

4428
05:11:55,476 --> 05:12:00,895
communicate when concepts change. And as a proposal moves through

4429
05:12:00,935 --> 05:12:03,855
the planning and moves through and gets community input. There's

4430
05:12:03,876 --> 05:12:08,363
definitely some lessons learned this time around. Thank you. Thank

4431
05:12:08,363 --> 05:12:11,083
you. On the second round of Councillor Agwell, but before

4432
05:12:11,104 --> 05:12:14,283
we get to Councillor Echwal, I'm told we have to

4433
05:12:14,283 --> 05:12:18,523
do the 12 a. m. resolution. So we need a

4434
05:12:18,544 --> 05:12:22,800
mover in a seconder. Move by Council Gratuga. Second named

4435
05:12:22,800 --> 05:12:27,360
by Mary Boschkoff. Deputy Kirkwalters, I'll have you call for

4436
05:12:27,360 --> 05:12:34,237
the vote. General Sercino. In favor. In favor Councillor Oliver

4437
05:12:34,277 --> 05:12:38,957
in favor. Speedr Johnson in favor Councillor Hamilton. Yes. Councilorduga.

4438
05:12:38,978 --> 05:12:42,237
In favor. Councillor Folds in favor Councillor Tree in favor

4439
05:12:42,578 --> 05:12:48,509
Councillor Benz in favor Councillor in favor Agrowall. In favor

4440
05:12:49,010 --> 05:12:54,728
your worship. Yes. That is passed. We're now to round

4441
05:12:54,768 --> 05:12:59,399
two Council Raggawa on round two. Thank you. Thank you

4442
05:12:59,439 --> 05:13:03,811
very much. Um. My concerns. I voiced earlier, but there's

4443
05:13:03,811 --> 05:13:07,278
also another thing we've heard. Housing crisis. We're not in

4444
05:13:07,299 --> 05:13:11,415
a housing crisis in Thunder Bay. We have a shortage

4445
05:13:11,415 --> 05:13:15,324
of housing, but it's not deemed a crisis. We're the

4446
05:13:15,364 --> 05:13:21,164
crisis is, is the low income affordable housing. I'm looking

4447
05:13:21,265 --> 05:13:25,225
at a report that we received two weeks ago. From

4448
05:13:25,265 --> 05:13:29,944
our administration. In 2025, we had a three percent vacancy.

4449
05:13:30,200 --> 05:13:35,563
In Thunder Bay. For rental apartments. A crisis was in

4450
05:13:35,664 --> 05:13:39,437
2022. When we were under that value. We were at

4451
05:13:39,538 --> 05:13:46,527
two percent. The lowest that we have gotten. Was in

4452
05:13:46,948 --> 05:13:50,607
2012 where it went to one and a half percent

4453
05:13:50,948 --> 05:13:58,585
vacancy. So we have housing. They're not all occupied. So

4454
05:13:58,926 --> 05:14:03,756
if all the rental units we have. So a crisis

4455
05:14:03,777 --> 05:14:08,315
would be the other way. The issue we have based

4456
05:14:08,315 --> 05:14:10,955
on the report that we received two weeks ago at

4457
05:14:10,995 --> 05:14:15,915
the Growth Committee is the housing, the Affordable housing that

4458
05:14:16,096 --> 05:14:23,595
meets the average income. Of up to 62, 000 dollars.

4459
05:14:23,595 --> 05:14:26,555
So a person, a household that earned 62, 000 dollars

4460
05:14:27,536 --> 05:14:30,075
and based on the math of 32 percent can be

4461
05:14:30,416 --> 05:14:33,995
used as the gross debt service ratio. And you divide

4462
05:14:34,016 --> 05:14:36,475
that by 12 months. That's the amount of rent they

4463
05:14:36,496 --> 05:14:43,470
can afford. That's what's missing. So to say to the

4464
05:14:43,470 --> 05:14:47,870
public and cry out that we are of a crisis,

4465
05:14:47,870 --> 05:14:52,609
it's really wrong. It's the low income. It's the supportive.

4466
05:14:52,609 --> 05:14:56,669
It's the transitional housing. That's where our crisis is, not

4467
05:14:56,669 --> 05:15:01,248
on the upper end. There's no crisis there. And that's

4468
05:15:01,349 --> 05:15:04,788
all from this report that we received. It's a very

4469
05:15:04,889 --> 05:15:12,973
lengthy report with great statistics coming from reliable sources. So

4470
05:15:13,794 --> 05:15:17,031
what do we need? Yeah. We need small apartments. We

4471
05:15:17,052 --> 05:15:20,214
need to house our seniors. But we need to go

4472
05:15:20,214 --> 05:15:23,414
within their income bracket. Are they making over 62, 000

4473
05:15:23,454 --> 05:15:31,388
dollars a year. If they're on fixed income? They're not.

4474
05:15:31,388 --> 05:15:36,708
They're making 2, 200 dollars a month. So we have

4475
05:15:37,049 --> 05:15:41,141
a problem, yes. But this is not the problem. I

4476
05:15:41,402 --> 05:15:44,581
can't support this project only for a couple of reasons.

4477
05:15:46,212 --> 05:15:52,284
It's Parkland Community Use. It's got an active corridor in

4478
05:15:52,284 --> 05:15:56,038
front of it. Where people have biked, I can go

4479
05:15:56,139 --> 05:15:59,282
there at any time during the summer. From May to

4480
05:15:59,303 --> 05:16:03,202
October. And you will see families pushing a baby carriage.

4481
05:16:03,202 --> 05:16:07,202
Kids on Bicycles, family going into tandem on that act

4482
05:16:07,202 --> 05:16:10,185
of court or side. To get to Boulevard to get

4483
05:16:10,185 --> 05:16:14,105
to Centennial to get to that side from the senior

4484
05:16:14,105 --> 05:16:17,193
area. There's not a time that I don't see anyone

4485
05:16:17,233 --> 05:16:21,054
there. And I too grew up in Current River. I

4486
05:16:21,075 --> 05:16:23,534
know that area. I walked it. I hiked it. I

4487
05:16:23,555 --> 05:16:26,939
biked it. I ate the apples out of people's backyards.

4488
05:16:29,557 --> 05:16:31,696
But we have to be honest with what the problem

4489
05:16:31,797 --> 05:16:36,414
is. Right? The problem is not high - end housing.

4490
05:16:37,217 --> 05:16:40,226
And we need to make it safe. We've got one

4491
05:16:40,266 --> 05:16:43,146
entrance. That's all we proposed. Thankfully, administration is going to

4492
05:16:43,607 --> 05:16:45,906
look at that and make it a two entrance if

4493
05:16:45,906 --> 05:16:47,586
they do it. But I don't think we need to

4494
05:16:47,626 --> 05:16:50,786
give up precious park land or green space in order

4495
05:16:50,826 --> 05:16:55,159
to create housing. The housing we need. And also we

4496
05:16:55,199 --> 05:17:00,961
have to remember anything built after 2018. Has no cap.

4497
05:17:02,162 --> 05:17:05,021
Anybody can raise the rent as much as they wish.

4498
05:17:06,197 --> 05:17:09,029
As long as they wish. And as often as they

4499
05:17:09,069 --> 05:17:12,015
wish. So what we need to do and focus on

4500
05:17:12,676 --> 05:17:16,015
is to get our older stock to be brought up.

4501
05:17:17,559 --> 05:17:21,271
To house the people that need housing. Anything built before

4502
05:17:21,692 --> 05:17:26,481
November of 2018. Because we were actually not looking at

4503
05:17:26,502 --> 05:17:33,139
the true picture. The provincial law. Which supersedes us in

4504
05:17:33,139 --> 05:17:36,179
our decisions. Councillor, you have 30 seconds left? Says very

4505
05:17:36,179 --> 05:17:40,092
clear. Thank you. Says very clearly. I can build this

4506
05:17:40,673 --> 05:17:44,076
and I can charge you 1, 500 this month. And

4507
05:17:44,097 --> 05:17:46,376
six months from now I can charge you 2, 000.

4508
05:17:47,125 --> 05:17:50,460
That's not a problem. There's no law against it. There's

4509
05:17:50,481 --> 05:17:53,820
no 2. 1 percent increase like everybody else who has

4510
05:17:53,841 --> 05:17:57,720
properties that were built prior to 2018. So I can't

4511
05:17:57,741 --> 05:18:02,372
support taking away precious green space. And give it for

4512
05:18:02,393 --> 05:18:07,599
housing. And when it was lined that was requested because

4513
05:18:07,940 --> 05:18:11,439
what I've studied, I saw that land came from James

4514
05:18:11,700 --> 05:18:14,159
Lyon. It was a part of the same parcel back

4515
05:18:14,180 --> 05:18:18,326
in 1914. But that's contrary to what I hear from

4516
05:18:18,347 --> 05:18:22,616
administration. Um, so I don't know which one's correct. What

4517
05:18:22,616 --> 05:18:25,256
I've studied or what they've studied, but something is a

4518
05:18:25,357 --> 05:18:28,478
mess. Councillor, would you like people on the third round?

4519
05:18:28,518 --> 05:18:31,438
No, I'm good. I just, I cannot support taking away

4520
05:18:31,539 --> 05:18:36,270
green. For something. That we don't need right weight. Very

4521
05:18:36,310 --> 05:18:39,150
good. Your time limit is up. Thank you. Uh, Mayor

4522
05:18:39,150 --> 05:18:42,430
Boschkov, please. On the second round. Sure. And, uh, as

4523
05:18:42,451 --> 05:18:46,430
a city that has, uh, probably the most green space

4524
05:18:46,451 --> 05:18:51,790
of any municipality, uh, of the 5, 500 in Canada,

4525
05:18:51,790 --> 05:18:56,548
uh, that has a housing crisis. Any housing stock that

4526
05:18:56,588 --> 05:19:00,628
comes forward to address any part of that will help

4527
05:19:01,369 --> 05:19:06,528
the other parts of it. So the construction industry, uh,

4528
05:19:06,809 --> 05:19:09,588
means that they can grow here, which means that they'll

4529
05:19:09,588 --> 05:19:15,748
have more, uh, capacity to keep building. And, uh, this,

4530
05:19:15,748 --> 05:19:19,748
uh, again, help us with our federal and provincial grant

4531
05:19:19,788 --> 05:19:24,948
system. So everybody in the community wins, including those who

4532
05:19:25,049 --> 05:19:29,268
don't have. So this will allow the community to support

4533
05:19:29,849 --> 05:19:33,828
even more people in need. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor

4534
05:19:33,868 --> 05:19:40,196
Boschkoff. On the second round, Councillor Foles. Um, I sense

4535
05:19:40,297 --> 05:19:42,196
how the vote's going to go this evening. So I'm

4536
05:19:42,196 --> 05:19:44,236
not going to belabor this, but I do want to

4537
05:19:44,236 --> 05:19:46,736
say, I'm a little bit frustrated by some of the

4538
05:19:46,857 --> 05:19:52,562
commentary, um, this evening. To suggest that one either supports

4539
05:19:52,583 --> 05:19:56,883
or doesn't support this somehow doesn't support growth. I'm sorry

4540
05:19:56,984 --> 05:20:01,283
I take exception to that. Um, if you don't, this

4541
05:20:01,323 --> 05:20:06,402
is a planning meeting. On this specific property. If you

4542
05:20:06,402 --> 05:20:09,522
don't support this, I mean, I really take exception to

4543
05:20:09,562 --> 05:20:14,082
those that would insinuate or had innuendo that you don't

4544
05:20:14,122 --> 05:20:20,414
support growth. Again, I get the impression on how the

4545
05:20:20,435 --> 05:20:23,614
vote is going to go tonight. I do, um, I

4546
05:20:23,635 --> 05:20:26,814
just wanted to say I suspect that Councillor Benson and

4547
05:20:26,814 --> 05:20:28,014
I are not going to vote the same way this

4548
05:20:28,054 --> 05:20:31,614
evening, but I did appreciate his commentary about not looking

4549
05:20:32,115 --> 05:20:35,614
at developing on parks. I mean, he has a different

4550
05:20:35,635 --> 05:20:40,334
view of this. And that's fine. But I'll tell you,

4551
05:20:40,334 --> 05:20:47,434
um, certainly. I have some concerns. Of what's happened over

4552
05:20:47,615 --> 05:20:51,472
the last number of years. You know, we received a

4553
05:20:51,472 --> 05:20:57,459
number of reports. Planning reports on parquets. You know, there

4554
05:20:57,459 --> 05:21:03,993
was this situation on Juneau Avenue. There's this, and I

4555
05:21:03,993 --> 05:21:08,073
understand that there's perhaps an argument either way. I have

4556
05:21:08,094 --> 05:21:14,464
some real concerns about what's next. I have some real

4557
05:21:14,645 --> 05:21:17,104
concerns. And I think the next council is going to

4558
05:21:17,125 --> 05:21:22,417
have to really wrestle with that. There's been commentary about

4559
05:21:22,758 --> 05:21:27,280
parks and where we rank. How dare we be ashamed

4560
05:21:27,301 --> 05:21:31,032
if we rank number one for parks. That's something to

4561
05:21:31,072 --> 05:21:36,392
be proud of. And the deputant said, right? Anyway, so,

4562
05:21:36,392 --> 05:21:38,312
I mean, this is something that we should be proud

4563
05:21:38,312 --> 05:21:45,025
of. And we should aspire to. Thank you. So important

4564
05:21:45,065 --> 05:21:48,945
to voter. I don't recall anybody saying we're ashamed of

4565
05:21:49,206 --> 05:21:53,617
parks. Councillor Gertuga, please. That was just going to be

4566
05:21:53,617 --> 05:21:56,577
my point. I haven't heard anyone say that we're ashamed

4567
05:21:56,617 --> 05:21:59,057
of the monarparks we have. I just, I don't know

4568
05:21:59,057 --> 05:22:01,748
where that came from. At all. It wasn't stated at

4569
05:22:01,748 --> 05:22:11,027
all tonight. Okay. Any other speakers through this topic. It's

4570
05:22:11,208 --> 05:22:14,467
been a very good, a very lengthy conversation. I think

4571
05:22:14,488 --> 05:22:18,387
we all have an understanding of what the resolution is.

4572
05:22:18,387 --> 05:22:21,587
I don't think we need Deputy Kirk Walters to read

4573
05:22:21,608 --> 05:22:23,987
it out, but I'm happy to be corrected. If anyone

4574
05:22:24,088 --> 05:22:26,367
wishes for it to be read out. If not, we

4575
05:22:26,367 --> 05:22:30,047
can go right to calling the vote. Very good. Uh,

4576
05:22:30,308 --> 05:22:34,927
Deputy Walters, please call for the vote. Your worship in

4577
05:22:34,967 --> 05:22:41,277
favor. Council Raider Wall. Opposed Councillor in favor. Councillor Bence

4578
05:22:41,378 --> 05:22:46,397
in favor Councillor Trini in favor Councillor Folds opposed Councillor

4579
05:22:46,437 --> 05:22:50,740
Curtuga? Yes. Councillor Hamilton. In favor. Outsorted or Speedr Johnson

4580
05:22:50,841 --> 05:22:55,060
rather? In favor. Councillor Oliver in favor Pastorino in favor

4581
05:22:55,241 --> 05:23:04,765
Councillor Jacino. Opposed. That is carried. Deputy Kirk Walters. What's

4582
05:23:04,765 --> 05:23:07,245
next on our agenda? It has been requested by administration

4583
05:23:07,346 --> 05:23:09,725
because we have some things that we've just changed over

4584
05:23:09,826 --> 05:23:11,805
between the next item that we have just a five

4585
05:23:11,906 --> 05:23:14,565
minute recess. Very good. I need to go in a

4586
05:23:14,565 --> 05:23:18,685
seconder. We would buy Councillor Trinity. Secondly by Councillor Folds.

4587
05:23:18,706 --> 05:23:20,205
I do need to call the role on that. We

4588
05:23:20,205 --> 05:23:22,765
are calling the role on this Councillor Asino. In favor.

4589
05:23:23,559 --> 05:23:26,898
Squino. In favor. That's where Oliver in favor. Johnson in

4590
05:23:26,938 --> 05:23:35,087
favor Councillor Hamilton. Yes. Councillor Gertuga? Yes. Councillor Folds. Your

4591
05:23:35,087 --> 05:23:40,030
favor. In favor. That's where I will. In favor. Edgar

4592
05:23:40,051 --> 05:23:44,418
Wool in favor. Your worship. Opposed. That is carried. We

4593
05:23:44,418 --> 05:23:47,098
are on a five minute recess. Five minute recess. Thank

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05:23:47,098 --> 05:23:47,178
you.

4595
05:36:12,310 --> 05:36:15,009
Colleagues, I'd like to call the meeting back to order,

4596
05:36:15,009 --> 05:36:19,489
and I'd like to just recognise Deputy Speaker Johnson for

4597
05:36:19,670 --> 05:36:24,129
sharing that first part of seven hours of that meeting,

4598
05:36:24,129 --> 05:36:31,384
appreciated. City clerk, next item please. Speed with the nuts,

4599
05:36:31,384 --> 05:36:33,544
I'm on the agenda, it's item 5. 3, it's a

4600
05:36:33,544 --> 05:36:37,784
Zoning Bylaw Amendment for 144 Fan Chastreet, Confidential Memorandum dated

4601
05:36:37,824 --> 05:36:40,184
to Audis IV from Joel Deputer, Director of Development Services

4602
05:36:40,365 --> 05:36:43,704
Relative to the above noted, also report 315 - 2026

4603
05:36:43,885 --> 05:36:47,304
growth development services planning services provider recommendation relative to this

4604
05:36:47,645 --> 05:36:50,744
Zoning Biolaw Amendment on the Lands Municipally known as 144

4605
05:36:50,925 --> 05:36:54,744
Fanshaw Street, which is for Council's Consideration. Also memorandum from

4606
05:36:54,765 --> 05:36:58,904
senior planner Desea Lopes dated August 5th, 2026, I believe

4607
05:36:59,485 --> 05:37:05,833
that's Supervisor. Deseal, whoops, relative corresponds regarding this report, who

4608
05:37:05,833 --> 05:37:08,653
is distributed separately to City Council on Friday, August the

4609
05:37:08,653 --> 05:37:11,293
7th. We have Open Comments this evening from a director

4610
05:37:11,333 --> 05:37:19,419
deputer. Acting Commissioner Deputer, please. Thank you. Through the Speaker,

4611
05:37:19,520 --> 05:37:23,259
this report recommends approval of Zoning Bylaw Amendment to permit

4612
05:37:23,840 --> 05:37:28,619
in approximately 150 unit apartment building at 144 Fanshaw Street.

4613
05:37:29,674 --> 05:37:33,893
The application is preceded through expanded Public Consultation and Technical

4614
05:37:33,914 --> 05:37:39,653
Review, including servicing, environmental and transportation studies. The preliminary traffic

4615
05:37:39,674 --> 05:37:42,533
study concludes that the existing road network in support the

4616
05:37:42,573 --> 05:37:46,613
Development. Longer - term anticipate traffic volumes driven by growth

4617
05:37:46,874 --> 05:37:50,693
and surrounding areas will be stuttering, monitored, and should future

4618
05:37:50,714 --> 05:37:53,893
improvements be warranted. Those improvements would be subject to potential

4619
05:37:53,933 --> 05:37:57,813
developer contributions and recommended to council through the budget process.

4620
05:37:59,010 --> 05:38:03,229
After careful consideration, planning services has concluded that the proposal

4621
05:38:03,269 --> 05:38:06,669
is consistent with provincial policy conforms to the official plan

4622
05:38:07,330 --> 05:38:10,749
and supports council's smart growth action plan objectives by increasing

4623
05:38:10,930 --> 05:38:14,669
housing supply and making efficient use of existing infrastructure. I

4624
05:38:14,709 --> 05:38:16,829
now invite Planner Ingram to provide an overview of the

4625
05:38:16,850 --> 05:38:23,907
application. Thank you. Is it Planner Ingram. Planner, please go

4626
05:38:23,907 --> 05:38:28,627
ahead. Good evening, Mayor Speaker. Members of Council and the

4627
05:38:28,667 --> 05:38:33,114
Public. This presentation outlines a proposed Zoning By - Law

4628
05:38:33,114 --> 05:38:37,754
Amendment Application for the Property Minister Pleaknown as 144 Fanfaw

4629
05:38:37,794 --> 05:38:41,114
Street. If approved this amendment would allow for the Development

4630
05:38:41,135 --> 05:38:45,114
of One New Residential Apartment Building. I will provide an

4631
05:38:45,114 --> 05:38:49,834
overview of the proposal, Policy Alignment, Community Consultation, and staff

4632
05:38:49,855 --> 05:38:55,008
recommendation. Next slide, please. The subject lands are approximately 1.

4633
05:38:55,189 --> 05:38:58,208
23 Hectors in size and are located between L. Ron

4634
05:38:58,248 --> 05:39:02,368
Crescent and Golf Link's Road with approximately 105. 2 metres

4635
05:39:02,869 --> 05:39:07,633
of frontage along Fincha Street. The Property is currently undeveloped

4636
05:39:07,814 --> 05:39:12,673
and consists of a mixed wood - treed area. Hydroezmith's

4637
05:39:13,574 --> 05:39:16,033
but both the eastern and western sides of the subject

4638
05:39:16,214 --> 05:39:19,713
lands. In terms of surrounded land uses, the lands to

4639
05:39:19,713 --> 05:39:22,433
the north contained four to six - story apartment buildings

4640
05:39:22,534 --> 05:39:27,233
under condominium ownership and are zoned urban mid - rhizome.

4641
05:39:27,233 --> 05:39:30,353
To the east is the McIntyre River Corridor with natural

4642
05:39:30,454 --> 05:39:34,913
heritage features and is zoned environmental protection. Also located to

4643
05:39:34,953 --> 05:39:38,433
the east are the Confederation College Campus Lands, which are

4644
05:39:38,534 --> 05:39:42,753
zoned institutional. To the south and west, the surrounding area

4645
05:39:43,094 --> 05:39:46,033
is characterized by low - density residential development within the

4646
05:39:46,294 --> 05:39:51,517
urban Lori Zone. Next slide, please. The subject lends are

4647
05:39:51,517 --> 05:39:54,717
designated residential in the official plan and are located within

4648
05:39:54,717 --> 05:39:58,797
the urban settlement area boundary. The proposed development aligns with

4649
05:39:58,797 --> 05:40:02,637
the general objectives of the residential policies by providing a

4650
05:40:02,677 --> 05:40:05,837
broad arrange of housing options supporting the efficient use of

4651
05:40:06,018 --> 05:40:11,357
existing infrastructure and community services and directing residential growth within

4652
05:40:11,618 --> 05:40:16,957
an established residential area. Next slide, please. The applicant is

4653
05:40:16,957 --> 05:40:20,317
proposing to reason the lands from UL Urban Lowrise Zone

4654
05:40:20,418 --> 05:40:24,477
to UM Urban Midhizome. The purpose of the UM Zone

4655
05:40:24,517 --> 05:40:27,597
is to encourage urban - scale housing by permitting a

4656
05:40:27,597 --> 05:40:31,917
variety of multiple unit residential forms, including apartment buildings. The

4657
05:40:32,178 --> 05:40:35,677
proposal meets all requirements of the UM Zone. Next slide,

4658
05:40:35,677 --> 05:40:40,428
please. As shown in the rendering, the requested amendment would

4659
05:40:40,428 --> 05:40:42,988
allow for the construction of one new Six - Story

4660
05:40:43,009 --> 05:40:47,948
apartment building with approximately 150 residential units contained within five

4661
05:40:47,988 --> 05:40:52,268
stories. The proposed building includes one above ground parking level

4662
05:40:52,449 --> 05:40:56,108
and one below ground parking level. The two indoor parking

4663
05:40:56,148 --> 05:40:59,148
levels are intended to reduce the amount of service parking

4664
05:40:59,188 --> 05:41:02,348
to allow for more landscaping and amenity spaces for the

4665
05:41:02,388 --> 05:41:06,508
future residents. The proposed development is designed to comply with

4666
05:41:06,508 --> 05:41:09,628
the UM Zone requirements for related to the building height,

4667
05:41:09,889 --> 05:41:15,189
setbacks, access, landscaping, and parking. Next slide, please. The statutory

4668
05:41:15,370 --> 05:41:18,869
of Public Consultation Process included the circulation of a notice

4669
05:41:18,909 --> 05:41:23,509
of application on June 30, 2026. A Public Information session

4670
05:41:23,610 --> 05:41:26,629
by the applicant was held on July 9th and provided

4671
05:41:26,890 --> 05:41:30,389
residents with opportunities to review and comment on the proposal.

4672
05:41:30,890 --> 05:41:34,869
The Public Meeting Notice also afforded residents additional opportunity for

4673
05:41:35,050 --> 05:41:39,669
review and comment. The Developer led information session had approximately

4674
05:41:40,090 --> 05:41:45,429
25 attendees. The developers consultants collected 12 written comments, forms

4675
05:41:45,610 --> 05:41:49,349
during that engagement process and shared them with City staff.

4676
05:41:49,389 --> 05:41:53,189
As of July 24, 2026, three comments had been received

4677
05:41:53,210 --> 05:41:57,349
from agencies and 24 comments were received from the public.

4678
05:41:57,349 --> 05:41:59,909
All commons received were provided to the applicant and members

4679
05:41:59,909 --> 05:42:05,029
of Council on July 31, 2026 in a comment summary.

4680
05:42:05,050 --> 05:42:08,069
Additional Cummins received to date were also provided ahead of

4681
05:42:08,330 --> 05:42:16,069
tonight's meeting. Next slide, please. While Comments covered a range

4682
05:42:16,069 --> 05:42:20,069
of topics, the generally focused on 10 key themes. Transportation

4683
05:42:20,410 --> 05:42:25,989
and parking, building form and neighbourhood compatibility, residential amenity impacts,

4684
05:42:26,250 --> 05:42:33,029
environmental considerations, loss of green space, infrastructure capacity, ownership structure,

4685
05:42:33,370 --> 05:42:37,189
mixed - use consideration, hydro - quarter safety, and public

4686
05:42:37,210 --> 05:42:41,429
consultation process. Public feedback helped inform the review of the

4687
05:42:41,450 --> 05:42:45,829
application and ongoing discussions between city staff and the applicant.

4688
05:42:45,829 --> 05:42:48,469
As part of the process, aspects of the proposal were

4689
05:42:48,469 --> 05:42:51,509
refined in response to concerns raised by the residents. Next

4690
05:42:51,530 --> 05:42:57,265
slide, please. Initial support and studies included a stage 1

4691
05:42:57,446 --> 05:43:01,505
archaeological assessment and a scoped environmental impact study, which incorporated

4692
05:43:01,766 --> 05:43:04,785
species at risk and black - ash assessments, as well

4693
05:43:04,785 --> 05:43:09,185
as the supplementary ecological assessment focused on how will habitat.

4694
05:43:10,975 --> 05:43:14,634
To support the application, the applicant submitted technical studies, including

4695
05:43:14,735 --> 05:43:18,554
a traffic impact study, and a preliminary civil site servicing

4696
05:43:18,655 --> 05:43:22,314
assessment. These studies along with the updated plans in supporting

4697
05:43:22,495 --> 05:43:26,554
documentation were reviewed by relevant city departments. Traffic was one

4698
05:43:26,554 --> 05:43:29,914
of the primary concerns raised by residents. The traffic impact

4699
05:43:30,255 --> 05:43:33,114
study concluded that the Golf Lynx Road and FanTR Street

4700
05:43:33,295 --> 05:43:37,434
Intersection is expected to continue operating at an acceptable level

4701
05:43:37,474 --> 05:43:40,554
of service and that the proposed development can be accommodated

4702
05:43:40,594 --> 05:43:44,794
within the existing road network. A final traffic impact study

4703
05:43:44,834 --> 05:43:47,594
will be required through the Site Plan Control Process as

4704
05:43:47,775 --> 05:43:52,314
additional development details are finalised. The site benefits from access

4705
05:43:52,314 --> 05:43:54,794
to traffic long golf for Lynx Road as well as

4706
05:43:54,815 --> 05:44:00,343
nearby Public Amenities and Trail Connections. Staff evaluated the Application

4707
05:44:00,764 --> 05:44:05,063
in accordance with the applicable criteria, including Provincial Policies, the

4708
05:44:05,244 --> 05:44:08,583
City's official plan, and the proposed regulations as set out

4709
05:44:08,924 --> 05:44:12,423
under the UM Zone within the Zoning By - Law.

4710
05:44:12,423 --> 05:44:16,023
Particular attention was given to transportation impacts, compatibility with surrounding

4711
05:44:16,204 --> 05:44:20,023
land uses, housing objectives, and the Sites location near Transit

4712
05:44:20,204 --> 05:44:24,663
and Active Transportation Infrastructure. Based on this review, staff concluded

4713
05:44:24,703 --> 05:44:28,023
that the Proposal Represents an Efficient Form of Development that

4714
05:44:28,063 --> 05:44:32,343
supports Cities Intensification Objectives while remaining compatible with the surrounding

4715
05:44:32,444 --> 05:44:39,063
area. Next slide, please. Administration supports the proposed amendment and

4716
05:44:39,103 --> 05:44:42,663
recommends approval for the following reasons, the proposal is consistent

4717
05:44:42,703 --> 05:44:45,943
with the Provincial Planning Statement conforms to the growth plan

4718
05:44:45,983 --> 05:44:49,863
for Northern Ontario, aligned with the official plan, and meets

4719
05:44:49,884 --> 05:44:52,803
the general intent and purpose of the Zoning Bylaw. The

4720
05:44:52,803 --> 05:44:56,183
proposal represents a positive contribution to the City's Growth in

4721
05:44:56,223 --> 05:45:00,343
Economic Development Objectives by expanding the residential landscape supply and

4722
05:45:00,383 --> 05:45:04,343
providing enhanced residential opportunities for surrounding neighbourhoods and the broader

4723
05:45:04,383 --> 05:45:10,184
community. This concludes the presentation. Thank you. Thank you very

4724
05:45:10,224 --> 05:45:14,904
much for your presentation. Is the applicant present and wishing

4725
05:45:14,904 --> 05:45:20,414
to make a presentation. Welcome once again. Thank you know

4726
05:45:20,414 --> 05:45:24,254
the drill. Introduce yourself in 10 minutes, please. Good evening.

4727
05:45:24,254 --> 05:45:27,054
My name is Tyler Rizzuto, the Project Manager with Stantec

4728
05:45:27,054 --> 05:45:32,174
Consulting. Joining me online is Sharon. She's never been planner

4729
05:45:32,214 --> 05:45:35,774
with Stantec and Arash, the senior associate, and Transportation Planning

4730
05:45:35,814 --> 05:45:39,584
Lead with Stantec. We're here on behalf of the applicant

4731
05:45:40,245 --> 05:45:43,504
Terra Lux General Contractors and Development Limited to present the

4732
05:45:43,525 --> 05:45:47,867
proposed development at 144 Fanchise Street. The purpose of tonight's

4733
05:45:47,867 --> 05:45:50,427
presentation is to provide an overview of the proposed development

4734
05:45:50,848 --> 05:45:54,667
discussed a planning framework that supports the application, summarize the

4735
05:45:54,667 --> 05:45:57,147
technical studies that have been completed and explain how the

4736
05:45:57,248 --> 05:46:00,827
proposal has evolved in response to community and stakeholder feedback.

4737
05:46:01,505 --> 05:46:05,004
This proposal represents an opportunity to introduce new housing choices

4738
05:46:05,025 --> 05:46:08,204
within an existing serviced area of the City while making

4739
05:46:08,305 --> 05:46:11,724
efficient use of available land and infrastructure. Throughout the design

4740
05:46:11,985 --> 05:46:15,164
process, careful consideration has been given to the Site Layout

4741
05:46:15,905 --> 05:46:23,003
Access Landscaping and Compatibility with Surrounding Area. Next slide. This

4742
05:46:23,043 --> 05:46:25,883
proposal is for the development of one apartment building under

4743
05:46:25,984 --> 05:46:29,563
19 metres in height. Uh, the proposed department includes five

4744
05:46:29,603 --> 05:46:35,323
residential stories for a total of 150 units comprising 45

4745
05:46:35,504 --> 05:46:41,163
- 1 bedroom units, 82 - bedroom units, 25 -

4746
05:46:41,163 --> 05:46:46,923
3 - bedroom units. will be affordable as defined by

4747
05:46:47,104 --> 05:46:50,923
CMHC. This mixture of housing and unit sizes will again

4748
05:46:50,963 --> 05:46:54,903
provide additional housing choice for young professionals, young families, and

4749
05:46:55,104 --> 05:46:58,763
older adults who may be looking for opportunities to downsize.

4750
05:46:58,763 --> 05:47:06,202
Next slide please. A total of 188 parking spaces will

4751
05:47:06,242 --> 05:47:11,242
be provided, including 160 in closed spaces across one level

4752
05:47:11,282 --> 05:47:15,522
of AtGrade parking and one level of underground parking, as

4753
05:47:15,522 --> 05:47:18,842
well as 28 outdoor surface parking spaces, which will provide

4754
05:47:18,863 --> 05:47:22,442
more parking spaces than the number of units proposed. Most

4755
05:47:22,463 --> 05:47:25,802
of the proposed parking spaces will be enclosed to minimize

4756
05:47:25,983 --> 05:47:29,002
surface parking and increase the amount of landscaped area on

4757
05:47:29,023 --> 05:47:32,522
site. The orientation of the building will also help screen

4758
05:47:32,783 --> 05:47:37,242
the surface parking area from street view. And vegetated buffers

4759
05:47:37,282 --> 05:47:39,962
will be maintained and provided along the north and east

4760
05:47:40,143 --> 05:47:43,882
property lines to increase privacy and reduce traffic noise from

4761
05:47:44,303 --> 05:47:48,122
Van Jaw Street and Golf Lynx Road. The Hydro Corridors

4762
05:47:49,663 --> 05:47:51,962
on the West and East of the Subject Lands will

4763
05:47:51,962 --> 05:47:55,002
provide an additional buffer area from the existing low density

4764
05:47:55,503 --> 05:47:59,402
residential uses west of the subject lands. Next slide please.

4765
05:48:01,533 --> 05:48:03,992
The Proposal introduces a greater range in mix of housing

4766
05:48:04,013 --> 05:48:09,032
options through intensive vacation and infel within previously developed areas.

4767
05:48:09,032 --> 05:48:12,552
And the proposal represents efficient land use within an existing

4768
05:48:12,733 --> 05:48:16,372
settlement area where growth is directed for these reasons, the

4769
05:48:16,372 --> 05:48:20,072
Proposal is consistent with the PPS and growth plan. Next

4770
05:48:20,072 --> 05:48:23,611
slide please. The smart growth action plan was approved by

4771
05:48:23,712 --> 05:48:27,771
City Council in December 2025 and similar to the Arundel

4772
05:48:27,771 --> 05:48:31,291
Street Project. This proposal aligns with the principles for advancing

4773
05:48:31,632 --> 05:48:36,011
smart growth through housing, um, with compacts built form, infill

4774
05:48:36,051 --> 05:48:42,792
development and land optimization. Next slide please. The subject lands

4775
05:48:42,792 --> 05:48:46,292
are currently designated residential in the city's official plan. And

4776
05:48:46,292 --> 05:48:50,792
within this designation, residential intensification, including infill development, is encouraged

4777
05:48:51,133 --> 05:48:54,952
where possible. The proposal introduces new housing types within an

4778
05:48:54,992 --> 05:48:59,992
established neighbourhood providing additional housing choice and flexibility along an

4779
05:48:59,992 --> 05:49:04,232
existing transit route where higher density development is encouraged. As

4780
05:49:04,253 --> 05:49:07,992
such, the proposed ZBA would permit the type of development

4781
05:49:08,413 --> 05:49:14,913
encouraged by the city's official plan. Next slide please. The

4782
05:49:14,934 --> 05:49:17,793
subject lands are proposed to be rezoned to urban MidRise

4783
05:49:18,294 --> 05:49:20,993
as shown in the table, no site - specific amendments

4784
05:49:21,014 --> 05:49:24,993
or provisions are required. For instance, the maximum height within

4785
05:49:24,993 --> 05:49:29,553
the proposal would permit 25 metres, whereas the proposed development

4786
05:49:29,574 --> 05:49:32,993
would be less than 19 metres. The lot coverage is

4787
05:49:33,033 --> 05:49:38,033
also well below the maximum sitting at approximately 24 percent

4788
05:49:41,094 --> 05:49:46,227
based on this lot area. 200 units would be permitted.

4789
05:49:46,227 --> 05:49:50,787
Whereas 150 units are proposed. And under the UM Zone,

4790
05:49:50,808 --> 05:49:53,507
a 3 metre side yard setback is required from the

4791
05:49:53,688 --> 05:49:57,947
West Property line facing the existing residences, um, based on

4792
05:49:57,947 --> 05:50:01,027
the proposed height of the building, uh, with the proposed

4793
05:50:01,048 --> 05:50:05,747
development, a setback of more than 16 metres is provided.

4794
05:50:05,747 --> 05:50:08,947
Whereas the UM Zone would typically require 20 percent of

4795
05:50:08,968 --> 05:50:12,867
the property to be landscaped area, The proposed developments would

4796
05:50:12,888 --> 05:50:20,627
provide close as well. Next slide please.

4797
05:50:24,700 --> 05:50:27,959
Our transparent, our transportation planning team completed a comprehensive traffic

4798
05:50:28,140 --> 05:50:31,559
impact study in support of the application. The study assessed

4799
05:50:31,740 --> 05:50:36,519
existing traffic conditions, future traffic conditions, projected vehicle trips, generated

4800
05:50:36,519 --> 05:50:41,239
by the development, site axis operations, site distances, and parking

4801
05:50:41,279 --> 05:50:44,359
demand. The results indicate that the development is expected to

4802
05:50:44,399 --> 05:50:47,639
generate relatively modest traffic volumes to the surrounding road network

4803
05:50:47,900 --> 05:50:51,239
and as efficient capacity to accommodate those trips. The study

4804
05:50:51,260 --> 05:50:54,919
also concluded that no geometric roadway improvements are required and

4805
05:50:54,919 --> 05:50:56,919
that the access to the site is expected to operate

4806
05:50:57,180 --> 05:51:00,919
efficiently. And that parking supply proposed for the site is

4807
05:51:00,919 --> 05:51:05,576
adequate and will meet anticipated demand. Next slide. In addition

4808
05:51:05,616 --> 05:51:09,416
to the transportation analysis, several supporting studies were completed, including

4809
05:51:09,917 --> 05:51:12,856
the Planning Justification memo, an urban design brief, a shadow

4810
05:51:12,856 --> 05:51:18,063
study, and a functional site servicing memo. Together these studies

4811
05:51:18,324 --> 05:51:23,103
confirm the proposal aligns with planning policy represents appropriate residential

4812
05:51:23,204 --> 05:51:27,423
intensification considers potential shadow impacts and can be supported by

4813
05:51:27,463 --> 05:51:33,587
the existing municipal services. Next slide. Um, we also completed

4814
05:51:33,848 --> 05:51:38,627
a Public Information session for this project. Um, 25 Sign

4815
05:51:38,667 --> 05:51:42,307
Ins, several common themes emerged the discussion with stakeholders and

4816
05:51:42,307 --> 05:51:46,387
members of the Public. Questions raised regarding municipal servicing capacity.

4817
05:51:47,279 --> 05:51:52,392
Traffic parking. Privacy, noise and preservation of green space. These

4818
05:51:52,653 --> 05:51:56,392
are, these are important considerations and each, we're carefully evaluated

4819
05:51:56,493 --> 05:51:58,712
through the technical studies and completed as part of this

4820
05:51:58,733 --> 05:52:04,274
application. The studies indicate that the adequate servicing capacity exists,

4821
05:52:04,274 --> 05:52:08,114
anticipated traffic impacts can be accommodated. And the proposed landscaping

4822
05:52:08,135 --> 05:52:12,742
and setbacks help address compatibility considerations with neighbouring properties. Public

4823
05:52:12,843 --> 05:52:15,702
feedback played an important role in refining this proposal to

4824
05:52:15,723 --> 05:52:21,388
ensuring that concerns were fully considered. Next slide. Since the

4825
05:52:21,428 --> 05:52:24,268
City's call for proposals, the development concept has been evolved

4826
05:52:25,409 --> 05:52:28,828
to incorporate the feedback that was perceived. Key themes include

4827
05:52:28,929 --> 05:52:34,028
maintaining neighbourhood character, preserving landscaping and buffers, providing adequate parking

4828
05:52:34,529 --> 05:52:38,188
and creating an appropriate transition between existing development and future

4829
05:52:38,209 --> 05:52:41,628
growth. The development concept has since been refined to address

4830
05:52:41,809 --> 05:52:45,068
this feedback while balancing the functionality of the site. One

4831
05:52:45,108 --> 05:52:48,268
of the more noticeable changes is the addition of an

4832
05:52:48,308 --> 05:52:50,908
extra story to the building. The reason for this change

4833
05:52:51,009 --> 05:52:55,068
was to accommodate the additional structured parking within the building.

4834
05:52:55,068 --> 05:52:57,348
And by moving more parking indoors, we were able to

4835
05:52:57,409 --> 05:53:01,308
reduce the amount of surface parking required on the site.

4836
05:53:01,308 --> 05:53:04,748
And to dedicate more space to landscaping amenity areas and

4837
05:53:04,748 --> 05:53:08,828
buffering. The revised design also includes greater setbacks from the

4838
05:53:08,929 --> 05:53:13,708
hydrocorridor, enhanced landscaping, and the retention of vegetation along property

4839
05:53:13,729 --> 05:53:18,108
boundaries. These elements help strengthen the separation between the proposed

4840
05:53:18,129 --> 05:53:22,188
development and the neighbouring properties while improving the overall appearance

4841
05:53:22,228 --> 05:53:24,748
of the site. It is also important to note that

4842
05:53:24,929 --> 05:53:28,988
the proposed building height is comparable to the existing condominium

4843
05:53:29,028 --> 05:53:33,228
developments in the immediate area. And so in that regard,

4844
05:53:33,249 --> 05:53:37,868
the proposed will maintains the established character for this portion

4845
05:53:37,889 --> 05:53:41,708
of the neighbourhood while continuing the pattern of mid -

4846
05:53:41,708 --> 05:53:46,650
rise residential development along the golf links road corridor. Overall,

4847
05:53:46,650 --> 05:53:50,010
we believe the revised concept balances new housing opportunities with

4848
05:53:50,050 --> 05:53:53,690
the priorities identified by Council and the Community. Next slide

4849
05:53:53,791 --> 05:53:59,896
please. In closing, we believe this proposal represents an appropriate

4850
05:54:00,157 --> 05:54:04,216
well - supported form of residential intensification within the City

4851
05:54:04,256 --> 05:54:07,176
of Thunder Bay's urban settlement area. The development is consistent

4852
05:54:07,216 --> 05:54:10,216
with the provincial policy direction conforms to the City's official

4853
05:54:10,237 --> 05:54:13,576
plan and can satisfy the requirements of the proposed urban

4854
05:54:13,597 --> 05:54:16,936
mid - rise zoning. Tactical studies demonstrated that the site

4855
05:54:16,976 --> 05:54:20,536
can be serviced with existing infrastructure, the transportation impacts are

4856
05:54:20,536 --> 05:54:24,216
manageable and the proposed design provides appropriate landscaping buffering and

4857
05:54:24,216 --> 05:54:27,576
amenity space. As stunned bay continues to grow and address

4858
05:54:27,677 --> 05:54:30,376
housing demand developments such as this helps provide a range

4859
05:54:30,416 --> 05:54:33,256
of housing options needed while making efficient use of land

4860
05:54:33,437 --> 05:54:39,667
and infrastructure already in place. Thank you. Thank you for

4861
05:54:39,707 --> 05:54:43,427
your presentation. Members of Council. This is your opportunity to

4862
05:54:43,448 --> 05:54:48,307
ask the applicant or administration questions. However, remind you again

4863
05:54:48,488 --> 05:54:52,547
an opportunity to ask administration questions later on. So Councillor

4864
05:54:52,587 --> 05:54:57,021
Pascalino, please. Thank you very much. And through Speaker, my

4865
05:54:57,122 --> 05:55:00,701
question is, is that the traffic studies, were they taking

4866
05:55:00,722 --> 05:55:07,981
place while the college was active or was it during

4867
05:55:08,082 --> 05:55:11,741
the summer? And if it was during the summer, what

4868
05:55:11,741 --> 05:55:18,281
did you do to accommodate that. I'll pass that to

4869
05:55:18,462 --> 05:55:26,214
Rosh if he's. Not online. Saudi Arrows.

4870
05:55:30,601 --> 05:55:34,260
Should I have to say the set of data that

4871
05:55:34,300 --> 05:55:38,740
we received for the intersection of Van Show and Gold

4872
05:55:38,841 --> 05:55:42,580
Flink's Road. We receive different sets of data. We use

4873
05:55:42,580 --> 05:55:45,860
the combination of them. We selected the highest and more

4874
05:55:45,900 --> 05:55:52,155
recent one, which was in. July 2022. But as I

4875
05:55:52,155 --> 05:55:56,235
said, we compare the traffic volume to older traffic volume

4876
05:55:56,336 --> 05:55:59,915
that was collected during fall season. And we found that

4877
05:55:59,936 --> 05:56:02,075
this is a higher one. So I have to say

4878
05:56:02,115 --> 05:56:07,156
that. I mean, we consider and we use the hoist

4879
05:56:07,196 --> 05:56:11,236
traffic at the intersection, which was in July 2022, which

4880
05:56:11,236 --> 05:56:19,263
was collected in July 2022. So keeping on with the

4881
05:56:19,524 --> 05:56:27,023
traffic, um, I realise that the development that's going to

4882
05:56:27,044 --> 05:56:31,663
happen in that area besides this, do we do these

4883
05:56:31,924 --> 05:56:36,863
like silo and check each one? And then, uh, because

4884
05:56:37,124 --> 05:56:40,303
we, there is a huge amount of development going there.

4885
05:56:40,343 --> 05:56:44,303
We're looking at potentially 4, 000 housing units plus the

4886
05:56:44,303 --> 05:56:48,063
Costco plus them all. You know, the hotels being built

4887
05:56:48,084 --> 05:56:52,389
on Oliver Road. That's my, my issue. And I think

4888
05:56:52,570 --> 05:56:54,469
most of the people have an issue with, with the

4889
05:56:54,570 --> 05:56:58,949
traffic in there, um, just wondering how, how that's been

4890
05:56:58,949 --> 05:57:03,749
worked out. And, uh, just comment. I'll, I'll have a

4891
05:57:03,770 --> 05:57:08,901
rush into that one. Yeah. Uh, so we consider the

4892
05:57:08,901 --> 05:57:13,381
traffic information that's available for the future development in the

4893
05:57:13,402 --> 05:57:20,101
area. It includes several housing projects. It includes forum commercial

4894
05:57:20,442 --> 05:57:23,681
and also the warehouse does plan in the areas. All

4895
05:57:23,681 --> 05:57:28,501
of them. We call them background development traffic. So they

4896
05:57:29,082 --> 05:57:37,402
are already considered in the traffic study. Through the chair,

4897
05:57:37,402 --> 05:57:39,962
or sorry, through the speaker, I'd also ask director meet

4898
05:57:39,983 --> 05:57:43,562
a much provide some additional information on other traffic studies

4899
05:57:43,602 --> 05:57:48,696
that are underway. Thank you. And through speaker, CD engineer

4900
05:57:48,717 --> 05:57:51,736
is also undertaking other mid - city transpirations studies for

4901
05:57:51,917 --> 05:57:56,056
this corridor. We're looking at golf links, um, HExpressway Balmoral,

4902
05:57:56,056 --> 05:57:58,616
the whole traffic in that area as a whole, as

4903
05:57:58,656 --> 05:58:03,776
you alluded to, in this corridor, um, the 2009, I

4904
05:58:03,776 --> 05:58:06,776
guess going back in time 2009. EA Study for Golf

4905
05:58:06,776 --> 05:58:09,176
Links recommended we four lan golfings to come a traffic

4906
05:58:09,437 --> 05:58:12,376
for this future growth. And we're building off with prior

4907
05:58:12,376 --> 05:58:13,976
studies to look at the continued growth and making sure

4908
05:58:14,016 --> 05:58:16,536
we have network capabilities for the long term as well.

4909
05:58:16,536 --> 05:58:19,576
So we're looking at this for today and until the

4910
05:58:19,576 --> 05:58:21,336
next 20 or forecast as part of the Mid City

4911
05:58:21,357 --> 05:58:30,611
Transportation Study that is currently underway. How much time do

4912
05:58:30,651 --> 05:58:35,332
I have left or go? Okay. Um, I was just,

4913
05:58:35,332 --> 05:58:39,172
uh, wondering, uh, if, uh, I know that right now

4914
05:58:39,433 --> 05:58:42,052
it's difficult to get a left hand turn coming off

4915
05:58:42,092 --> 05:58:48,292
of North towards the hospital. And, uh, I know that

4916
05:58:48,393 --> 05:58:51,012
a lot of residents have been talking about putting in

4917
05:58:51,012 --> 05:58:54,292
a traffic light in there and, uh, I'm sure that

4918
05:58:54,313 --> 05:58:56,012
you are going to come up with some kind of

4919
05:58:56,153 --> 05:59:00,612
solution with, with that at some point, right? Like I'm

4920
05:59:00,612 --> 05:59:02,532
sure you're dealing with it. Maybe you can comment on

4921
05:59:02,532 --> 05:59:06,103
that. Yeah. Through the speaker as part of this development

4922
05:59:06,284 --> 05:59:07,863
and as part of the global picture of the whole

4923
05:59:07,964 --> 05:59:11,703
golfings corridor, we're looking at issues on this corridor, whether

4924
05:59:11,703 --> 05:59:14,263
signals are the preferred approach and solution for fan showing

4925
05:59:14,263 --> 05:59:17,383
golfings by still to be determined as part of Larger

4926
05:59:17,404 --> 05:59:19,943
global review of the golfings core. Like I said, there

4927
05:59:19,983 --> 05:59:22,983
may be other opportunities we can improve efficiencies at this

4928
05:59:23,023 --> 05:59:27,623
intersection. That it's really a corridor base approach. Um, while

4929
05:59:27,623 --> 05:59:30,243
this development is contributing to traffic, it is not, um,

4930
05:59:30,364 --> 05:59:32,823
pushing it over that threshold where it warrant signals. It's

4931
05:59:32,823 --> 05:59:35,223
more of the global aspect we need to consider improvements.

4932
05:59:38,060 --> 05:59:42,015
Thank you, Councillor Councillor Trainee, please. Thank you through the

4933
05:59:42,055 --> 05:59:46,495
speaker. Um, besides traffic parking is definitely something that's been

4934
05:59:46,516 --> 05:59:49,215
brought forward numerous times. And I know we just finished

4935
05:59:49,396 --> 05:59:53,775
discussing the other, uh, rezoning, but parking is similar in

4936
05:59:53,775 --> 05:59:56,815
this, uh, Property as a concern. How did we come

4937
05:59:56,815 --> 06:00:00,635
up with the number of parking spaces for this? And

4938
06:00:00,635 --> 06:00:02,895
do we feel that we're sufficient? The people in this

4939
06:00:02,916 --> 06:00:07,215
area really concern in particular about, um, overflow landing on

4940
06:00:07,215 --> 06:00:11,375
the streets there, especially with a tough intersection to get

4941
06:00:11,415 --> 06:00:15,676
out of. And then of course winter. Yeah. Um, so

4942
06:00:15,697 --> 06:00:18,476
again, we're, we're meeting the bylaw, uh, I believe it's

4943
06:00:18,476 --> 06:00:25,560
1. 25 to one unit. We're comfortably hitting that. You

4944
06:00:25,560 --> 06:00:28,600
know, we think it can, we think that's adequate. It's

4945
06:00:28,600 --> 06:00:32,080
meeting the bylaw. And that number is there for, I

4946
06:00:32,080 --> 06:00:34,820
mean, there's that number isn't just made up. So, um,

4947
06:00:35,501 --> 06:00:36,840
what are you thinking? We can make that number work.

4948
06:00:39,162 --> 06:00:41,781
And then there's enough parking as well for visitors, right?

4949
06:00:41,882 --> 06:00:45,141
Correct. Yeah. That's a, that's included in that. Yes. Yes.

4950
06:00:45,141 --> 06:00:51,167
Thank you. Thank you, Councillor. Seeing no further hands, um,

4951
06:00:51,167 --> 06:00:53,747
we do have a number of people that assigned up

4952
06:00:53,928 --> 06:00:55,987
to speak to this, but we think maybe a couple

4953
06:00:55,987 --> 06:01:01,667
of them have maybe gone to bed online is Rey

4954
06:01:01,707 --> 06:01:11,441
N. Robinson. Online. Rey Ann. Is Jack Jameson

4955
06:01:11,942 --> 06:01:20,684
online. Jack, are you online. Okay. We do have Peter

4956
06:01:20,785 --> 06:01:24,484
Gobinski, I think, uh, The Gallery. That would like to

4957
06:01:24,484 --> 06:01:27,244
speak. Would you like to come up now and address

4958
06:01:27,345 --> 06:01:37,149
council. So welcome. Uh, you have the microphone in front

4959
06:01:37,149 --> 06:01:40,509
of you. There's a button in the middle. You've turned

4960
06:01:40,549 --> 06:01:42,749
it on. The green light is on. If you want

4961
06:01:42,789 --> 06:01:45,709
to speak somewhere between five and eight centimeters away from

4962
06:01:45,749 --> 06:01:49,629
the microphone, please introduce yourself and you will have 10

4963
06:01:49,629 --> 06:01:53,862
minutes to speak. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning to,

4964
06:01:53,862 --> 06:02:00,112
uh, Council. To worship. Um, I just might make a

4965
06:02:00,133 --> 06:02:03,472
slight, please, Mr. Speaker for a bit more time than

4966
06:02:03,573 --> 06:02:06,672
10 minutes. I was thinking perhaps two hours because we

4967
06:02:06,672 --> 06:02:09,952
had to sit through four hours of, uh, deputations with

4968
06:02:10,053 --> 06:02:13,792
respect to the Arundel situation. Um, much of what I'm

4969
06:02:13,832 --> 06:02:17,632
going to say has, in a sense, been covered just

4970
06:02:17,672 --> 06:02:21,312
with the questions and the presentations from, uh, I should

4971
06:02:21,312 --> 06:02:23,792
say my colleague from Stantek. I don't know if it's

4972
06:02:23,893 --> 06:02:27,232
a conflict of interest, but I used to work with

4973
06:02:27,253 --> 06:02:31,712
them in Winnipeg. So that was quite a while ago.

4974
06:02:31,712 --> 06:02:35,792
And I'm a little bit critical of their transportation studies.

4975
06:02:35,792 --> 06:02:38,512
So, um, I hope they will, uh, accept what I

4976
06:02:38,512 --> 06:02:41,152
have to say in good humor. Um, let me start

4977
06:02:41,173 --> 06:02:44,912
with two footnotes if I may. And I remember addressing

4978
06:02:45,733 --> 06:02:48,592
council, oh, about a year and a half ago when

4979
06:02:48,632 --> 06:02:50,592
they're suggesting it was made, I was, I believe it

4980
06:02:50,592 --> 06:02:53,552
was by Councillor Attrinie that we do take a look

4981
06:02:53,592 --> 06:02:55,852
at Parkland and we do take a look at, um,

4982
06:02:56,053 --> 06:03:02,112
the possibility of Confirm Converting unused parking areas, for example,

4983
06:03:02,293 --> 06:03:05,232
into housing. And I think at the time I asked

4984
06:03:05,573 --> 06:03:09,472
Council members if they'd ever been to Vancouver. I'm sure

4985
06:03:09,493 --> 06:03:12,752
many have been. If they've been to Halifax, if they've

4986
06:03:12,792 --> 06:03:17,792
been to Quebec City and Levy, um, Thunder Bay has

4987
06:03:17,813 --> 06:03:21,792
got one of the most beautiful shorelines in all of

4988
06:03:21,893 --> 06:03:26,352
Canada. And being wanted in three states and four provinces,

4989
06:03:26,352 --> 06:03:27,952
I can assure you that I've had an opportunity to

4990
06:03:27,973 --> 06:03:31,312
travel and see most of it. And it's quite remarkable

4991
06:03:31,493 --> 06:03:36,992
how from fishermen's park all the way through to mission

4992
06:03:36,992 --> 06:03:42,912
march, the amount of territory unused spaces there that could

4993
06:03:42,952 --> 06:03:49,232
be very profitably turned into affordable and not so much

4994
06:03:49,333 --> 06:03:53,632
affordable condominiums and rental space. And this is not meant

4995
06:03:53,632 --> 06:03:57,152
to be a criticism of, um, of the planning in

4996
06:03:57,192 --> 06:04:00,192
the city. But it struck me having moved back to

4997
06:04:00,613 --> 06:04:03,632
Thunder Bay for the last time in my life that

4998
06:04:03,653 --> 06:04:06,752
if you travel Simpson, if you travel on Arthur Street,

4999
06:04:06,752 --> 06:04:11,872
if you travel north from Red River Road, East, I'm

5000
06:04:11,893 --> 06:04:14,832
sorry, South and North on Red River Road. The number

5001
06:04:14,853 --> 06:04:20,370
of abandoned derelict houses. The number of unused commercial properties

5002
06:04:20,711 --> 06:04:24,530
that could be easily converted into housing. I know what

5003
06:04:24,711 --> 06:04:26,370
the response is going to be. These are for the

5004
06:04:26,370 --> 06:04:29,490
most part, private properties. And the city does not have

5005
06:04:30,071 --> 06:04:32,610
the right of eminent domain, but it does have a

5006
06:04:32,711 --> 06:04:37,170
bylaw. And I'm amazed at the number of derelict units

5007
06:04:37,511 --> 06:04:40,930
in this city that should be forced to either convert

5008
06:04:41,111 --> 06:04:43,810
into proper housing or to sell it to the City

5009
06:04:44,231 --> 06:04:47,010
so that developers can then take it over and put

5010
06:04:47,031 --> 06:04:52,171
in some profitable housing. Um, but especially along this immensely

5011
06:04:52,211 --> 06:04:56,651
beautiful shoreline that we have that is sitting there so

5012
06:04:56,691 --> 06:04:59,451
that when the Viking ship comes in from Milwaukee or

5013
06:04:59,491 --> 06:05:03,211
wherever, uh, they're not greeted by a bunch of derelict

5014
06:05:03,472 --> 06:05:07,531
rusting, um, grain elevators that are the first thing that

5015
06:05:07,571 --> 06:05:11,371
you see there. So blue sky thinking down the road,

5016
06:05:11,371 --> 06:05:14,811
I think the opportunity there for, uh, maybe for the

5017
06:05:14,811 --> 06:05:18,023
next council to look at other possibilities. I must say

5018
06:05:18,044 --> 06:05:23,463
that, um, that I am, I was currently, I was

5019
06:05:23,463 --> 06:05:27,943
on the board of the condominium association at 145 Fan

5020
06:05:27,964 --> 06:05:30,583
Cha. I am no longer on the board. I'm speaking

5021
06:05:30,684 --> 06:05:34,343
today just as a resident of 145 Fancy, which is

5022
06:05:34,383 --> 06:05:39,783
directly across from the proposed 144 development. Um, as much

5023
06:05:39,783 --> 06:05:43,383
as I'd love to see that beautiful Cedar cops retained

5024
06:05:43,484 --> 06:05:48,503
as green space, I understand the need for additional housing.

5025
06:05:48,503 --> 06:05:51,383
I don't personally oppose it. Uh, I just think that

5026
06:05:51,423 --> 06:05:54,103
there's a number of amendments that going forward need to

5027
06:05:54,103 --> 06:05:58,483
be considered into the final plan before final approve. And

5028
06:05:58,604 --> 06:06:03,463
is, is given to this. You've probably received much correspondence

5029
06:06:03,503 --> 06:06:07,063
from residents there who are concerned about everything from the

5030
06:06:07,164 --> 06:06:11,383
noise, from traffic, uh, from the possibility that much of

5031
06:06:11,484 --> 06:06:14,503
their own land is going to be dug up so

5032
06:06:14,503 --> 06:06:18,743
that the developers can access appropriate water infrastructure on the

5033
06:06:19,004 --> 06:06:23,463
north side of Fanchaw. At any rate, my concern is

5034
06:06:24,044 --> 06:06:30,183
with 150 units being suggested for 144 that I think

5035
06:06:30,364 --> 06:06:36,103
it is essential that the City, planning and council, take

5036
06:06:36,124 --> 06:06:39,143
a look at the strong possibility of putting in a

5037
06:06:39,164 --> 06:06:44,597
traffic light. At the intersection, the T intersection of golf

5038
06:06:44,637 --> 06:06:48,337
links and fanshaw. I was told, I remember about, uh,

5039
06:06:48,858 --> 06:06:50,517
a year and a half ago when I had the

5040
06:06:50,517 --> 06:06:56,357
opportunity of meeting with our councillor in the Northward Councillor

5041
06:06:57,018 --> 06:07:00,197
Pascal Leno and also with Councillor Agarwal that I was

5042
06:07:00,218 --> 06:07:02,597
told that the time that it was very unlikely that

5043
06:07:03,018 --> 06:07:05,637
a traffic light could be put there simply because it

5044
06:07:05,677 --> 06:07:08,677
is too close to the expressway. And then lo and

5045
06:07:08,677 --> 06:07:11,717
behold, a year later, we find that the city has

5046
06:07:11,738 --> 06:07:14,437
approved the traffic light at the corner of innovation drive.

5047
06:07:14,893 --> 06:07:20,152
Which is approximately the same distance from the harbour expressway.

5048
06:07:20,152 --> 06:07:22,992
A little bit further, but nevertheless, the same distance. So

5049
06:07:23,133 --> 06:07:28,792
it's accommodating 850 parking stalls in innovation. But at this

5050
06:07:28,792 --> 06:07:31,672
point in time, we are still asking for consideration that

5051
06:07:32,333 --> 06:07:35,752
a traffic light be installed at the corner at that

5052
06:07:35,933 --> 06:07:39,352
T - junction quarter. All right. It's interesting that on

5053
06:07:39,453 --> 06:07:43,192
Riviera further down on golf links that there has been

5054
06:07:43,453 --> 06:07:48,232
a traffic late installed there to serve individual residents and

5055
06:07:49,133 --> 06:07:52,872
this highly priced condominium complex at the other side of

5056
06:07:52,872 --> 06:07:55,592
that T - junction. So it's a consideration that I

5057
06:07:55,632 --> 06:07:59,592
would ask Council as it's moving forward. I know that

5058
06:07:59,773 --> 06:08:03,832
the study that was done by Stantec is not the

5059
06:08:03,832 --> 06:08:06,312
final say on this. In fact, as you can read

5060
06:08:07,133 --> 06:08:10,712
in their deposition and their submission of information to council

5061
06:08:11,933 --> 06:08:15,672
that with respect to that single development, it was found

5062
06:08:16,653 --> 06:08:20,872
by the traffic gurus that there would not be a

5063
06:08:20,912 --> 06:08:26,232
significant modification required because the traffic would not be significantly

5064
06:08:26,653 --> 06:08:30,452
affected. And I would really want to dispute that. And

5065
06:08:30,493 --> 06:08:33,912
I just draw attention to the Council to where I

5066
06:08:33,912 --> 06:08:38,872
would call the law of unintended consequences. And especially develops

5067
06:08:39,773 --> 06:08:45,352
when a complex situation is such that a single answer

5068
06:08:46,093 --> 06:08:50,552
or a single particular proposal does not take into account

5069
06:08:50,813 --> 06:08:54,952
all of the other variables that could affect that decision.

5070
06:08:54,952 --> 06:08:59,752
So that the consequences that are reaped afterwards, um, are

5071
06:08:59,773 --> 06:09:04,032
unfortunate. And I think of LPH and its conversion. I

5072
06:09:04,032 --> 06:09:07,912
also think of previous council's decision with respect to what

5073
06:09:08,013 --> 06:09:13,352
happened Victoriaville. The law of unintended consequences. The reason that

5074
06:09:13,373 --> 06:09:17,112
it can happen here, despite what Stantec has said about

5075
06:09:17,853 --> 06:09:24,472
not requiring any change with respect to traffic flow on

5076
06:09:24,573 --> 06:09:28,292
golf links, east or west. The reason is that, and

5077
06:09:28,292 --> 06:09:32,552
I think Councillor Pascalina mentioned this, that over the course

5078
06:09:32,893 --> 06:09:36,152
of the next few years, the next number of years,

5079
06:09:36,152 --> 06:09:40,632
then anticipation of 4, 000 additional units. If you break

5080
06:09:40,672 --> 06:09:42,552
that down and you take a look at the fact

5081
06:09:42,592 --> 06:09:46,632
that innovation forum is going to have 850 parking stalls

5082
06:09:46,672 --> 06:09:50,072
for commercial vehicles, you move a little bit further and

5083
06:09:50,112 --> 06:09:53,459
you've got Costco coming in. With God knows how many

5084
06:09:53,880 --> 06:09:58,179
traffic stalls are going to be required or put in

5085
06:09:58,179 --> 06:10:01,539
place there. Um, it's going to become an extremely popular

5086
06:10:01,560 --> 06:10:04,259
place. You move a little further and you've got the

5087
06:10:04,680 --> 06:10:10,499
degregorio, um, development right across from Tim Hortons and the,

5088
06:10:10,499 --> 06:10:15,699
um, the golf course that is located there. So you

5089
06:10:15,800 --> 06:10:19,161
multiply all of these together. And you are going to

5090
06:10:19,222 --> 06:10:23,441
have a significant increase in traffic flow north and south

5091
06:10:24,102 --> 06:10:27,281
on golf links road. It'll become, if not the major

5092
06:10:27,782 --> 06:10:32,161
arterial corridor and Thunder Bay, certainly it'll be ranking very

5093
06:10:32,182 --> 06:10:35,521
high up there. So there's going to be a significant

5094
06:10:36,182 --> 06:10:40,241
substantial increase in traffic. I'm not disagreeing with the conclusion

5095
06:10:40,582 --> 06:10:44,481
that Stantek has come to because they were focused individually

5096
06:10:44,742 --> 06:10:48,722
on one project. Right? It is not their quote unquote

5097
06:10:48,823 --> 06:10:51,582
fault that they didn't take into account all of the

5098
06:10:51,582 --> 06:10:55,922
others. City Council and City officials are going to have

5099
06:10:55,962 --> 06:11:00,002
to do that. Otherwise the law of undintended consequences is

5100
06:11:00,002 --> 06:11:04,002
going to reap its rewards, um, in a very unpopular

5101
06:11:04,023 --> 06:11:07,659
way. You have about one minute. So as much as

5102
06:11:08,880 --> 06:11:11,819
I would prefer to see green space there, I remember

5103
06:11:12,080 --> 06:11:17,958
coming back late at night. Driving into the condo and

5104
06:11:17,998 --> 06:11:20,998
seeing either a coyote or a grey fox cross into

5105
06:11:20,998 --> 06:11:24,278
the cost that is now going to be represented by

5106
06:11:24,619 --> 06:11:33,550
145. I understand that the acquisition of property for the

5107
06:11:33,571 --> 06:11:37,870
development of adequate housing. And hopefully this will be affordable

5108
06:11:37,891 --> 06:11:41,950
housing is as important, if not more so in this

5109
06:11:41,990 --> 06:11:46,830
particular case. But I would ask certainly that, uh, serious

5110
06:11:46,870 --> 06:11:49,710
consideration be given to the location of a traffic light

5111
06:11:50,051 --> 06:11:54,810
at that T junction of fancy and golf links. Um,

5112
06:11:54,810 --> 06:11:58,590
so that we do not reap the rewards of unintended

5113
06:11:58,630 --> 06:12:04,665
consequences. Thank you very much for your attention. Thank you

5114
06:12:04,686 --> 06:12:09,425
for your presentation. Before we go to questions, I have

5115
06:12:09,806 --> 06:12:13,105
Councillor Training and Councillor Agerwall on the list already. It

5116
06:12:13,105 --> 06:12:15,385
is 1 a. m. and we need to do the

5117
06:12:15,806 --> 06:12:19,385
1 a. m. resolution. Uh, just before we do this,

5118
06:12:19,385 --> 06:12:24,465
as people maybe start thinking about voting against continuing, we

5119
06:12:24,766 --> 06:12:27,305
have a number of items on our agenda that must

5120
06:12:30,046 --> 06:12:33,785
get through, um, because of the consequences of the lame

5121
06:12:33,785 --> 06:12:39,065
duck. However, the petitions could be deferred to the next

5122
06:12:39,246 --> 06:12:43,425
meeting. I'm only providing that to you for information. So

5123
06:12:43,886 --> 06:12:46,825
as you're thinking about your vote, uh, we have a

5124
06:12:46,825 --> 06:12:49,350
number of things that we have to do. Okay. So

5125
06:12:49,531 --> 06:12:52,070
we need to move our deputy city clerk. Go ahead,

5126
06:12:52,070 --> 06:12:53,830
please. I need to move them in a second or

5127
06:12:53,830 --> 06:12:57,430
swoll of Councillor Oliver and Councillor training. Sure. Uh, your

5128
06:12:57,430 --> 06:13:05,548
worship. In favor. Councillor Ehrwall. In favor Councillor in favor.

5129
06:13:05,548 --> 06:13:09,708
Councillor Bence in favor Councillor Trenny in favor. Speedrfolds in

5130
06:13:09,748 --> 06:13:14,268
favor. Councillor Cortuga in favor. Councillor Hamilton. Yes. Councillor Johnson

5131
06:13:14,369 --> 06:13:17,548
in favor. Councillor Oliver in favor. Councillor Pastoweedl in favor

5132
06:13:17,729 --> 06:13:20,828
Councillor's Asino in favor Deputy City clerk. I see that

5133
06:13:21,089 --> 06:13:25,468
carried Councillor Attrini for questions for the Deputado, please. Thank

5134
06:13:25,508 --> 06:13:29,148
you through the speaker. Um, I really like that language.

5135
06:13:29,148 --> 06:13:32,828
You use the unintended The Law of the Unintended Consequences.

5136
06:13:32,828 --> 06:13:34,828
And that is definitely something that we've brought up before

5137
06:13:35,329 --> 06:13:40,508
with regards to the traffic study. Um, I did hear,

5138
06:13:40,508 --> 06:13:43,228
and I did see some pieces, but because we have

5139
06:13:43,249 --> 06:13:48,428
a traffic study already doesn't mean we can't go back.

5140
06:13:48,428 --> 06:13:50,828
And, um, I recognise one hundred percent as soon as

5141
06:13:50,929 --> 06:13:53,628
Costco was approved that there's definitely going to be some

5142
06:13:53,809 --> 06:13:57,948
collateral from that. And then recognising the central avenue pieces

5143
06:13:57,988 --> 06:14:01,228
as well. So I appreciate your comment about the traffic

5144
06:14:01,228 --> 06:14:07,708
study. You did also comment about the waterfront area and

5145
06:14:07,708 --> 06:14:10,908
the possibilities. Councillor, a question, please, from the deputant. Yeah.

5146
06:14:11,009 --> 06:14:15,448
About the possibility for, um, housing in that area. And

5147
06:14:15,448 --> 06:14:18,028
I wasn't sure if you have noticed or seen anything

5148
06:14:18,209 --> 06:14:23,468
about the, uh, Pool 6, um, proposal. Have you seen

5149
06:14:23,508 --> 06:14:26,268
any of those pieces? Yes, I have a Moira of

5150
06:14:26,268 --> 06:14:29,228
it, not in any. Sorry. I'm going to rule that

5151
06:14:29,268 --> 06:14:32,828
question out of order tonight. We're talking about the rezoning

5152
06:14:32,868 --> 06:14:36,108
of Fanshaw and not housing on the waterfront. Okay. So

5153
06:14:36,148 --> 06:14:38,588
I'm going to fair. I appreciate that speaker. I just,

5154
06:14:38,588 --> 06:14:40,748
the deputant wanted us to look at other. And I

5155
06:14:40,748 --> 06:14:42,188
just wanted to make sure he was aware of the

5156
06:14:42,188 --> 06:14:44,388
other, but I appreciate that. I think I'm going to

5157
06:14:44,388 --> 06:14:46,908
be finished then. Thank you. Okay. Thank you Councillor Trinity.

5158
06:14:46,908 --> 06:14:51,069
Councillor Agarwal, please. Thank you very much, Speaker. Um, based

5159
06:14:51,069 --> 06:14:55,549
on your knowledge of traffic studies, if, I'm not sure

5160
06:14:56,050 --> 06:14:59,229
the City has to look at if a traffic light

5161
06:14:59,250 --> 06:15:02,989
cannot go there. What about a NO left hand turning.

5162
06:15:03,755 --> 06:15:06,774
Off a fan show? Would that be something that would

5163
06:15:06,814 --> 06:15:10,871
be beneficial? So you only take a rate. When you

5164
06:15:10,871 --> 06:15:16,694
depart franchise. As it stands now, because I use it

5165
06:15:16,715 --> 06:15:20,545
every day, um, a left turn is very difficult. Because

5166
06:15:20,585 --> 06:15:25,185
of the lack of synchronization, I'm sorry, of, um, of

5167
06:15:25,286 --> 06:15:28,225
lights. So if you're not facing something coming south from

5168
06:15:28,246 --> 06:15:33,105
the harbour expressway, um, you're obviously facing something coming from,

5169
06:15:33,145 --> 06:15:37,885
from Edward. And, uh, their preference would be that, um,

5170
06:15:38,566 --> 06:15:40,705
there'll be a light there so that a left hand

5171
06:15:40,726 --> 06:15:44,225
turn can be permitted. And I've had all kinds of

5172
06:15:44,326 --> 06:15:48,545
statements saying that, Oh, you've got a synchronization of traffic

5173
06:15:48,585 --> 06:15:51,025
lights is not quantum physics. I mean, it can be

5174
06:15:51,046 --> 06:15:55,985
done with careful attention. And, um, the problem with turning

5175
06:15:56,006 --> 06:15:59,505
right is that we're then, do you turn around to

5176
06:16:00,086 --> 06:16:04,305
go back to the harbour expressway to go south or

5177
06:16:04,486 --> 06:16:08,305
east or west or rather. I mean, putting up a

5178
06:16:08,326 --> 06:16:09,825
sign, I don't think you're going to have to because

5179
06:16:09,846 --> 06:16:12,305
it's going to be obvious because people will not be

5180
06:16:12,326 --> 06:16:15,505
able to turn left there at all. There'll be far

5181
06:16:15,505 --> 06:16:18,865
too much traffic, I think. And through you speaker, what

5182
06:16:18,865 --> 06:16:20,865
I was thinking, and I'm, and you're more of an

5183
06:16:20,905 --> 06:16:23,665
expert on this than I am. Is it that if

5184
06:16:23,705 --> 06:16:25,425
you had to take a left, you come off of

5185
06:16:25,425 --> 06:16:29,025
James and go off a cornerstoga through Counter Stoga to

5186
06:16:29,046 --> 06:16:32,465
James and turn left that way. Yep. Um, often when

5187
06:16:32,505 --> 06:16:36,705
we're going towards Arthur Street, for example, will go all

5188
06:16:36,705 --> 06:16:39,345
the way up to, uh, the Crescent and then go

5189
06:16:39,366 --> 06:16:42,305
that way. Um, if you have a light there on

5190
06:16:42,406 --> 06:16:45,665
Constituga, I think that's about a kilometer away from, from

5191
06:16:45,705 --> 06:16:47,825
James. It's not too close. But you would have to

5192
06:16:47,846 --> 06:16:52,625
put a light there because traffic on James as a

5193
06:16:52,665 --> 06:16:55,705
byproduct of the increased traffic on golf is going to

5194
06:16:55,926 --> 06:17:00,364
increase as well. No question. Thank you. Um, may I

5195
06:17:00,465 --> 06:17:04,284
ask administration, is this something for you speaker? Is this

5196
06:17:04,284 --> 06:17:06,844
something that has been Councillor Anger Walt, you can ask

5197
06:17:07,105 --> 06:17:09,804
administration questions, but let's just finish up with the deputant

5198
06:17:09,905 --> 06:17:12,837
and then we can. I'm good. I live with the

5199
06:17:12,877 --> 06:17:17,237
diputado. Okay. So, um, any more questions for the deputant.

5200
06:17:18,143 --> 06:17:22,362
Councillor Pascalino, please. Um, thank you very much for your

5201
06:17:22,383 --> 06:17:26,682
endurance and for the many conversations we've had and also,

5202
06:17:26,682 --> 06:17:31,002
uh, for staying on, this certainly does show your dedication.

5203
06:17:31,002 --> 06:17:36,122
Um, tonight we're actually talking about the issue of the

5204
06:17:36,143 --> 06:17:41,162
building on Fanshaw. These issues that you are discussing this

5205
06:17:41,162 --> 06:17:46,602
evening or this morning, uh, are actually issues that we

5206
06:17:46,863 --> 06:17:51,642
had even before any development have taken place. And certainly

5207
06:17:51,682 --> 06:17:55,802
with the development on, uh, that is proposed for the

5208
06:17:55,823 --> 06:18:00,042
area that would make this more severe, like, like you

5209
06:18:00,082 --> 06:18:04,122
say, the left - hand turn coming out of fanshaw.

5210
06:18:04,122 --> 06:18:11,482
Um, do you, do you think that actually this is

5211
06:18:11,522 --> 06:18:14,682
even significant, you know, whether this building gets built or

5212
06:18:14,722 --> 06:18:19,082
not for that left turn? You know, how much significance

5213
06:18:19,082 --> 06:18:22,282
is this in the whole scheme of the development in

5214
06:18:22,282 --> 06:18:26,217
the area. Um, I can only speak for myself on

5215
06:18:26,217 --> 06:18:29,849
this case. I do not object at all. To the

5216
06:18:29,889 --> 06:18:33,129
density to the number of flowers to the number of

5217
06:18:33,169 --> 06:18:37,209
units that are the housing. The only caveat I would

5218
06:18:37,209 --> 06:18:40,409
put to that is it's not been my impression that

5219
06:18:40,430 --> 06:18:43,689
I'm not an expert on this, that Terelux is not

5220
06:18:44,030 --> 06:18:47,849
in the business of developing affordable housing. They are in

5221
06:18:47,849 --> 06:18:51,209
the business of developing extremely rich housing. So I hope

5222
06:18:51,550 --> 06:18:54,249
with the accelerator fund and the demands that are made

5223
06:18:54,510 --> 06:18:58,649
there, that there is a sufficient number of units in

5224
06:18:58,990 --> 06:19:03,289
144 that will support, uh, families that can't afford to

5225
06:19:03,310 --> 06:19:06,792
pay 3, 000 dollars a month in apartment fees. I

5226
06:19:06,792 --> 06:19:09,592
don't know if that answers your question. We are not,

5227
06:19:09,592 --> 06:19:13,832
I am not personally opposed to, um, the development of

5228
06:19:14,253 --> 06:19:17,432
the housing units there. It's the byproducts that I'm mostly

5229
06:19:17,453 --> 06:19:21,739
concerned about. Okay. So you're in favor of it. And,

5230
06:19:21,739 --> 06:19:23,579
uh, but we need to deal with these issues. That's

5231
06:19:23,579 --> 06:19:27,728
why you're here tonight. Yes. Correct. Okay. Thank you. Thank

5232
06:19:27,728 --> 06:19:34,153
you, Councillor Pascalino. Any other questions of the deputant. Seeing

5233
06:19:34,193 --> 06:19:36,713
none, thank you very much for your presentation. And I

5234
06:19:36,713 --> 06:19:39,753
need to reiterate the fact that you've stayed here till

5235
06:19:39,774 --> 06:19:42,233
1 a. m. Thank you, sir, for participating. Thank you.

5236
06:19:42,414 --> 06:19:48,404
Thank you very much. So I now need to make

5237
06:19:48,825 --> 06:19:52,964
calls for other speakers. So my first call, are there

5238
06:19:53,004 --> 06:19:56,644
any speakers that would like to speak to this zoning.

5239
06:19:57,624 --> 06:20:02,425
File. For a second time, are there any speakers to

5240
06:20:02,446 --> 06:20:09,266
this report on Fenshaw. For a third and final time,

5241
06:20:09,266 --> 06:20:18,030
are there any speakers to this report on Fenshaw. Okay,

5242
06:20:18,131 --> 06:20:22,110
seeing that, um, there are no further speakers. I'd like

5243
06:20:22,110 --> 06:20:26,430
to invite the applicant back to the table. Councillor Agerwall,

5244
06:20:26,430 --> 06:20:28,670
I cut you off. You wanted to ask questions. This

5245
06:20:28,670 --> 06:20:30,750
is an opportunity to ask questions of either the applicant

5246
06:20:31,251 --> 06:20:34,430
or administration. So Councillor Egerwall, please. Thank you very much,

5247
06:20:34,430 --> 06:20:39,470
Speaker. Um, the deputy that we had just before spoke

5248
06:20:39,470 --> 06:20:41,630
of some major concerns that we have in that area

5249
06:20:41,811 --> 06:20:44,683
for traffic. Is there a possibility of putting a traffic

5250
06:20:44,864 --> 06:20:49,643
light there like it's suggested or some sort of mediation?

5251
06:20:49,643 --> 06:20:55,093
Because it is a high density neighbourhood. And turning left

5252
06:20:55,274 --> 06:20:59,704
is very challenging. Thank you. And through the speaker, um,

5253
06:20:59,965 --> 06:21:02,264
so that is on the table. I'll say it's not,

5254
06:21:02,264 --> 06:21:05,584
uh, final solution we were recommending tonight. Um, again, we

5255
06:21:05,584 --> 06:21:08,264
need to go through this whole mid city, um, traffic

5256
06:21:08,285 --> 06:21:10,864
setting. We'll look at Golfings Corps as a whole. So

5257
06:21:10,864 --> 06:21:13,464
whether to your point is making fans all right in,

5258
06:21:13,464 --> 06:21:16,424
right out, traffic lights on Konastoga. I'll just throw those

5259
06:21:16,464 --> 06:21:18,744
different options. The table we need to consider roundabouts are

5260
06:21:18,765 --> 06:21:20,984
also an option. So we would evaluate all the options

5261
06:21:21,024 --> 06:21:24,504
to improve traffic along the entire golfings quarter with looking

5262
06:21:24,525 --> 06:21:26,504
at the intersection as well as whole court itself and

5263
06:21:26,525 --> 06:21:29,704
see how we can improve traffic flow and minimize congestion,

5264
06:21:29,704 --> 06:21:32,875
um, for the corridor as a whole. So thank you

5265
06:21:32,915 --> 06:21:35,275
very much. And through the speaker, would that be considered

5266
06:21:35,936 --> 06:21:40,295
in conjunction with this project happening right now? Through the

5267
06:21:40,295 --> 06:21:42,315
speaker. So yes, we are started this Mid City transportation

5268
06:21:42,336 --> 06:21:44,555
centre right now. Um, we are looking to add this

5269
06:21:44,576 --> 06:21:47,675
development as part of the mid CD transpiration review. It

5270
06:21:47,675 --> 06:21:51,035
is looking at that one. The Costco Forum lands further

5271
06:21:51,035 --> 06:21:55,435
development lands in and overpark. Burrowed. We've also taken consideration

5272
06:21:55,776 --> 06:21:59,915
future upgrades to the Thunder Bay Expressway interchanges and divide

5273
06:21:59,915 --> 06:22:02,875
in that way. So what impact that traffic change have

5274
06:22:02,896 --> 06:22:05,595
on a golfing scorer. So we're looking at the whole

5275
06:22:05,616 --> 06:22:08,075
quarter as a whole, see what traffic could change in

5276
06:22:08,075 --> 06:22:09,755
the next 20 year horizon. It would improve to me

5277
06:22:09,755 --> 06:22:13,298
to make in a short medium and long term. Okay.

5278
06:22:13,338 --> 06:22:17,178
Now the other question I have through youth speaker. As

5279
06:22:17,178 --> 06:22:19,618
I see on the, I have no opposition to this

5280
06:22:19,639 --> 06:22:24,970
project other than the only one entrance in. And to

5281
06:22:24,970 --> 06:22:28,989
have 150 units with only one entrance. Is a concern.

5282
06:22:30,201 --> 06:22:33,300
Is there an option to have a secretary interest for

5283
06:22:33,340 --> 06:22:39,989
emergency vehicles? En case there's a closed area there. Um,

5284
06:22:40,410 --> 06:22:45,097
you had appreciate the concern. Um. When we're meeting with

5285
06:22:45,118 --> 06:22:48,137
administration for Site Plan Control Process, uh, it's made something

5286
06:22:48,137 --> 06:22:52,628
that we've already agreed to look at. Potentially a write

5287
06:22:52,628 --> 06:22:57,275
in, write out. Through the hydro corridor. To the south

5288
06:22:57,315 --> 06:23:02,747
of the development. So directly onto golf links. As long

5289
06:23:02,747 --> 06:23:06,427
as there's a secondary access, I'm good. We're, yeah, just

5290
06:23:06,768 --> 06:23:10,427
we're exploring the possibility of it across the Eastmont is

5291
06:23:10,427 --> 06:23:15,709
difficult, but we're, uh, we're looking at it. Because would

5292
06:23:15,749 --> 06:23:18,520
there. As long as you're looking at it, there'll be

5293
06:23:18,520 --> 06:23:21,120
a solution down the road. That's all that matters. I

5294
06:23:21,120 --> 06:23:24,960
mean, we would, we would like one too. So understood.

5295
06:23:24,960 --> 06:23:29,360
Okay. Thank you. Thank you Councillor Agarwa. Any further questions

5296
06:23:29,461 --> 06:23:36,007
of either the applicant and or administration. Seeing no hands.

5297
06:23:36,007 --> 06:23:38,087
Deputy City clerk. Could we put the resolution on the

5298
06:23:38,188 --> 06:23:40,487
floor, please? Yes, we can speed her. We just need

5299
06:23:40,487 --> 06:23:43,287
to move her in a seconder for this. Councillor Gertuga

5300
06:23:44,268 --> 06:23:49,247
and Councillor Attrini. Are there any further questions of administration

5301
06:23:49,588 --> 06:23:53,712
at this point in time. Seeing none, Deputy City clerk,

5302
06:23:53,712 --> 06:23:57,792
please call the rule. Your worship in favor. Councillor Egerboam

5303
06:23:57,893 --> 06:24:04,252
in favor. In favor Councillor Bence. I'm sorry. I just

5304
06:24:04,252 --> 06:24:06,372
returned. Is this on Fan Shop? Apologies. Yes, it is

5305
06:24:06,372 --> 06:24:10,132
on Fantasy. In favor. Councillor Attorney in favor. Speaker Foltz

5306
06:24:10,233 --> 06:24:15,781
in favor Councillor Cortuga in favor Councillor Hamilton. He's over

5307
06:24:15,802 --> 06:24:19,803
the room. Uh, Councillor Johnson in favor. In favor Councillor

5308
06:24:19,843 --> 06:24:23,883
Pastowieno in favor Councillor Zesino in favor Deputy City clerk.

5309
06:24:23,883 --> 06:24:28,979
I see that carried. Next item, please. Speech with the

5310
06:24:28,979 --> 06:24:31,619
next item on the agenda this evening is the consent

5311
06:24:31,619 --> 06:24:33,379
agent agenda. There's a number of items on this this

5312
06:24:33,419 --> 06:24:36,350
evening, including a number of minutes. It will go through

5313
06:24:36,350 --> 06:24:38,190
the other items that are a bit more substantial. We

5314
06:24:38,230 --> 06:24:40,830
do have a signed variance application that's item 6. 10

5315
06:24:40,931 --> 06:24:43,870
for 1000 for early enroad Sport Check. Sits 1 1,

5316
06:24:43,870 --> 06:24:46,830
which is the application of cancellation reduction or refund of

5317
06:24:46,830 --> 06:24:50,190
taxes under section 357 of the municipal at 6. 12

5318
06:24:50,211 --> 06:24:52,990
is in addition of a crossing guard location. So it's

5319
06:24:53,030 --> 06:24:56,350
0. 13 is the waverly park fountain restoration project NOHFC

5320
06:24:56,371 --> 06:24:59,790
funding application. Since point 14 is the Thunderbolt Public Library

5321
06:24:59,811 --> 06:25:03,070
Recruitment and selection process. Since point 15 is the repeal

5322
06:25:03,070 --> 06:25:05,950
of By - 1 99 2017 City Solicitor and Corporate

5323
06:25:05,990 --> 06:25:08,430
Council, although many of administration are hoping that does not

5324
06:25:08,451 --> 06:25:11,630
pass this evening. Since. 16 is a land related matter

5325
06:25:11,670 --> 06:25:14,750
of 120 and 122 cover win street. South surplus and

5326
06:25:14,771 --> 06:25:18,670
sale. So it's 0. 17 property related matter for certain

5327
06:25:18,691 --> 06:25:21,150
blocks on Francis Street West as well as part of

5328
06:25:21,331 --> 06:25:24,030
Metcalf Avenue. I do need a mover and a seconder

5329
06:25:24,030 --> 06:25:29,391
for the consent agenda. Councillor Oliver and your worship. Seeing

5330
06:25:29,412 --> 06:25:34,627
no hands. Please call the roll. Councillor Assinal. In favor.

5331
06:25:36,157 --> 06:25:41,799
In favor. Councillor Oliver in favor. Councillor Johnson. In favor.

5332
06:25:41,900 --> 06:25:45,639
Councillor Hamilton. He just stole at the room. Councillor Tertuga.

5333
06:25:45,639 --> 06:25:50,590
Yes. Speedr folds in favor. Councillor Benz. In favor Council.

5334
06:25:51,483 --> 06:25:56,262
In favor Councillor Egerwol in favor and your worship in

5335
06:25:56,302 --> 06:25:59,762
favor. Deputy City Clerk Councillor Hamilton is back in the

5336
06:25:59,762 --> 06:26:03,862
room. Please. Yeah. I'd love to vote. Yeah. This is

5337
06:26:03,862 --> 06:26:08,183
the in favor. That's fine. Thank you. Deputy City clerk.

5338
06:26:08,183 --> 06:26:13,878
I see that carried next item please. Speech within its

5339
06:26:13,878 --> 06:26:16,518
time that we have are three items arising from closed

5340
06:26:16,539 --> 06:26:19,730
session. Uh, so the first one is board and committee

5341
06:26:19,770 --> 06:26:22,050
appointments for the Compliance Auto Committee, as you heard earlier

5342
06:26:22,071 --> 06:26:24,690
in close session. Confidental Men random from Crystal Deputy Election

5343
06:26:24,711 --> 06:26:28,770
Coordinator dated July 20th presented in Special Committee of the

5344
06:26:28,810 --> 06:26:31,730
Whole earlier this evening. The appointment is for the compliance

5345
06:26:32,391 --> 06:26:35,330
audit committee in such an accordance with such an 88.

5346
06:26:35,351 --> 06:26:38,530
37 of the municipal elections at recommending the following individuals

5347
06:26:38,551 --> 06:26:42,130
be appointed to the 2026 - 2030 term of City

5348
06:26:42,170 --> 06:26:45,010
Council, which would be Norm Dale John Friday and Eve

5349
06:26:45,191 --> 06:26:47,010
Frico. I do need a mover in a seconder for

5350
06:26:47,050 --> 06:26:51,970
this. Councillor Johnston, Councillor Agerwall, seeing no hands. Please call

5351
06:26:51,991 --> 06:27:00,430
a roll. Your worship in favor Council Reagerwolf in favor.

5352
06:27:00,451 --> 06:27:04,750
Councillor? In favor. Councillor Bence. In favor. Councillor Trenny in

5353
06:27:04,790 --> 06:27:08,110
favor. Peter Folds in favor. Council Order Tuga. In favor.

5354
06:27:08,211 --> 06:27:12,910
Councillor Hamilton? Yes. Council Johnson. In favor. Councillor Oliver? In

5355
06:27:12,950 --> 06:27:18,371
favor. Councillor Pastorino in favor. Deputy City clerk. I see

5356
06:27:18,371 --> 06:27:18,771
that carried.

5357
06:27:30,442 --> 06:27:33,061
Next item, please. Speech with the nuts. I'm on the

5358
06:27:33,061 --> 06:27:36,341
agenda is also coming out of closed session. It is

5359
06:27:37,402 --> 06:27:42,021
the Confidential Report 2023 CLS - 017. This is a

5360
06:27:42,042 --> 06:27:44,661
Weedle matter. Uh, we do need a mover and a

5361
06:27:44,661 --> 06:27:49,272
seconder and the resolution is to proceed as directed. Councillor

5362
06:27:49,312 --> 06:27:54,499
Pascalino. Councillor Johnson. Seeing no hands, Deputy City clerk, please

5363
06:27:54,499 --> 06:27:56,739
call a rule. General Source Casino is not in the

5364
06:27:56,739 --> 06:28:02,347
room. Apologies, Councillor Pastolino. In favor. In favor. Councillor Johnson.

5365
06:28:02,347 --> 06:28:06,747
In favor. Councillor Hamilton. Yes. Councilworker Tugra? Yes. Speaker Folds.

5366
06:28:06,768 --> 06:28:11,551
In favor. Councillor Tranny. In favor. Bence. In favor. Councillor

5367
06:28:11,551 --> 06:28:15,231
Rio. In favor. Councillor Ederwall. In favor. And your worship.

5368
06:28:15,492 --> 06:28:19,871
In favor. Deputy City Councillor Zizino is back. Councillor Cezino.

5369
06:28:19,871 --> 06:28:24,272
This is on the legal matter preceding as directed. In

5370
06:28:24,272 --> 06:28:27,712
favor. Thank you Councillor Cezino. I see that carry deputy

5371
06:28:27,893 --> 06:28:33,410
clerk. Next item, please. Next item is the Property Related

5372
06:28:33,450 --> 06:28:36,450
Motor. I'm 7. 3 Art Gallery Update. Again, Taunfens Report

5373
06:28:36,471 --> 06:28:40,370
CLS - 018 from Realty Services presented earlier this evening.

5374
06:28:40,370 --> 06:28:42,210
It is a proceed as directed. I do need a

5375
06:28:42,231 --> 06:28:49,390
mover and a seconder. Your worship Councillor Johnson. Seeing no

5376
06:28:49,430 --> 06:28:52,430
hands. Deputy City clerk, please call a role. Councillor's the

5377
06:28:52,470 --> 06:28:56,751
Sinum in favor. Councillor Pastor Weenum. In paper. Councillor Oliver.

5378
06:28:56,791 --> 06:29:00,275
In favor. Councillor Johnson. In favor. That's where Hamilton. In

5379
06:29:00,315 --> 06:29:05,155
favor. Councillor Curtuga. In favor. Speedrfuls in favor. Councillor Trenny.

5380
06:29:05,176 --> 06:29:11,513
In favor. In favor. Councillor. In favor. Councillor Agerwall. In

5381
06:29:11,553 --> 06:29:15,033
favor. Your worship. In favor. Deputy City Clerk. I see

5382
06:29:15,073 --> 06:29:16,793
that. Carried next item, please.

5383
06:29:29,566 --> 06:29:34,701
At a B. 1. H. Z. Is the component's Audi

5384
06:29:34,701 --> 06:29:38,701
Committee's report 275 2020 sits from B. City Manager's Office,

5385
06:29:38,701 --> 06:29:41,021
Office of the City Twerk, recommend in terms of reference

5386
06:29:41,061 --> 06:29:45,221
for the 2026 2030 compliance audit committee be approved. I

5387
06:29:45,221 --> 06:29:49,007
do have introductory Mercures on this item. Please go ahead.

5388
06:29:49,007 --> 06:29:52,367
So the Municipal Ethernet requires Municipal Councils to establish a

5389
06:29:52,367 --> 06:29:55,407
compliance audit committee by October 1st of an election year.

5390
06:29:55,447 --> 06:29:57,727
This time you need reviews and responds to applications made

5391
06:29:57,767 --> 06:30:01,007
by voters for audits related to candidate financial statements as

5392
06:30:01,047 --> 06:30:03,567
well as any discrepancies raised by the City Torque with

5393
06:30:03,607 --> 06:30:07,167
respect to a valuable contribution limits. Once established, this committee

5394
06:30:07,268 --> 06:30:09,967
is in place for the duration of the term council.

5395
06:30:09,967 --> 06:30:12,447
Council appoints three members to the Committee who are typically

5396
06:30:12,628 --> 06:30:17,087
represented by Community Members with Backgrounds and Accounting, Auditing Local

5397
06:30:17,087 --> 06:30:21,327
Government Administration and Law. Earlier this evening Council Appointed Members

5398
06:30:21,327 --> 06:30:23,327
to the Committee, which has just some of the closed

5399
06:30:23,367 --> 06:30:27,007
session. Part 275, 2026 is presented this evening for Council's

5400
06:30:27,007 --> 06:30:29,727
approval of the terms of reference, along with the proposed

5401
06:30:29,748 --> 06:30:34,655
members. So we need a mover in a seconder. Councillor

5402
06:30:34,756 --> 06:30:41,047
Aiello, Councillor Gertuga. Seeing no hands, Deputy City clerk. Please

5403
06:30:41,047 --> 06:30:44,247
call a roll. Your worship in favor? I'm sorry, Agarwal.

5404
06:30:44,590 --> 06:30:49,849
In favor. In favor. Councillor Bence. In favor. Councillor Trenny.

5405
06:30:50,636 --> 06:30:55,515
In favor. Folds in favor Councillor Cortuga. In favor. Councillor

5406
06:30:55,515 --> 06:30:59,675
Hamilton. In favor. Councillor Johnson. In favor. Councillor Oliver. In

5407
06:30:59,715 --> 06:31:04,075
favor. Councillor Pastoino. In favor. Councillor Zesino. In favor. Deputy

5408
06:31:04,096 --> 06:31:12,813
City clerk. I see that carried. Next item, please. And

5409
06:31:12,813 --> 06:31:15,293
so I'm on your agenda this evening is an 8.

5410
06:31:15,333 --> 06:31:18,973
2. The Thunder Behydra Corporation Dividend Policy. It's report 305

5411
06:31:18,973 --> 06:31:22,093
- 2026 corporate services providing a recommendation relative to the

5412
06:31:22,274 --> 06:31:25,853
allocation of dividend proceeds. It's for Council Consideration. Uh, we

5413
06:31:25,874 --> 06:31:31,086
have introductory commons from Commissioner Greaves. Commissioner Greaves, please. Thank

5414
06:31:31,126 --> 06:31:34,046
you. Through the chair or through the speaker in 2021

5415
06:31:34,387 --> 06:31:37,886
City Council approved the transition from a rate, minimization model

5416
06:31:37,886 --> 06:31:40,206
to a rate of return model with respect to synergy

5417
06:31:40,227 --> 06:31:45,742
North Corporation. And Thanovi Hydro Corporation. This report represents an

5418
06:31:45,923 --> 06:31:48,098
important milestone in that journey. For the first time, the

5419
06:31:48,119 --> 06:31:51,538
City of Thunder Bay has received dividend revenue from synergy

5420
06:31:51,559 --> 06:31:56,018
North Corporation through its ownership of Thunder Behydro Corration. In

5421
06:31:56,058 --> 06:31:59,858
June 2026, Synergy North declared dividends payable to its shareholders

5422
06:32:00,119 --> 06:32:03,538
that Thinne Bay Hydro Corporation and the City of Chinoura.

5423
06:32:03,719 --> 06:32:07,458
Thunder Bay Hydro Corporation subsequently declared regular and performance dividends

5424
06:32:07,559 --> 06:32:11,938
totally in approximately 383, 000 dollars payable to its soul

5425
06:32:11,938 --> 06:32:16,123
shareholder of the City of Thunder Bay. Administration is seeking

5426
06:32:16,224 --> 06:32:19,963
council's direction regarding the use of these proceeds and recommends

5427
06:32:20,003 --> 06:32:23,083
that the funds received in 2026, as well as future

5428
06:32:23,083 --> 06:32:26,843
dividends received from Thunderbird Hydro Corporation be dedicated to capital

5429
06:32:27,024 --> 06:32:30,523
investment rather than be used to reduce the municipal tax

5430
06:32:30,523 --> 06:32:34,443
levy. While the dividend is modest relative to the city's

5431
06:32:34,443 --> 06:32:38,203
overall infrastructure needs, it represents a new and sustainable source

5432
06:32:38,203 --> 06:32:40,843
of revenue that can help support acid renewal and infrastructure

5433
06:32:40,864 --> 06:32:45,483
investment. Accordingly, this report recommends that current and future dividends

5434
06:32:45,504 --> 06:32:48,683
received from Thunder Bay Housing Corporation be transferred to the

5435
06:32:48,864 --> 06:32:52,123
capital general Reserve Fund and Subsequently allocated through the annual

5436
06:32:52,304 --> 06:32:56,363
capital budget process, establishing a consistent and sustainable approach to

5437
06:32:56,384 --> 06:33:00,603
managing this new revenue source. Thank you. Thank you, Commissioner.

5438
06:33:02,810 --> 06:33:07,651
We need a mover in the secondary place. Your worship,

5439
06:33:07,651 --> 06:33:12,479
Councillor Oliver. Councillor Benz, please. Yeah, I just wanted to

5440
06:33:12,479 --> 06:33:14,479
speak to this. I'm very, very happy to see the

5441
06:33:14,500 --> 06:33:19,199
focus on Capitol Renewal. I think it's an awesome thing

5442
06:33:19,239 --> 06:33:23,679
that this isn't being folded into operations. This has a

5443
06:33:23,679 --> 06:33:26,639
specific purpose. And I would argue that in the long

5444
06:33:26,679 --> 06:33:30,319
run, this will help with the tax rate because we'll

5445
06:33:30,319 --> 06:33:34,879
be taking care of infrastructure before it fails. And so

5446
06:33:35,700 --> 06:33:39,552
congratulations on that focus. And I fully support it. Thank

5447
06:33:39,552 --> 06:33:43,867
you. Speaking. Thank you, Councillor Benz. I'm sorry, Deputy City

5448
06:33:43,907 --> 06:33:45,307
Clerk. Do we have a mover in a seconder for

5449
06:33:45,307 --> 06:33:47,953
that? We do have a mover in a second different

5450
06:33:47,993 --> 06:33:52,913
this, yes. Okay. Seeing no further hands, Deputy City clerk,

5451
06:33:52,913 --> 06:33:56,033
please call a role. Councillor Zecino. In favor. Councillor Pasquino.

5452
06:33:56,054 --> 06:33:59,473
In favor. Councillor Oliver. In favor. Councillor Johnson in favor.

5453
06:33:59,574 --> 06:34:02,833
That's where Hamilton in favor. Councillor Cortuga. In favor. Peter

5454
06:34:02,873 --> 06:34:06,593
Folds. In favor. Councillor Trenny. In favor. Councillor Bence. In

5455
06:34:06,633 --> 06:34:10,993
favor. Councillor Lowe. In favor. Councillor Aggerwolf. In favor. Your

5456
06:34:11,033 --> 06:34:14,809
worship. In favor. Deputy City clerk. I see that carried.

5457
06:34:18,996 --> 06:34:21,695
Next item, please. Speed with an insight on your gender

5458
06:34:21,735 --> 06:34:24,975
item 8. 3 appointment of municipal officers. It's 317 -

5459
06:34:24,975 --> 06:34:28,015
2020. Six corporate services finance recommends the appointment of the

5460
06:34:28,196 --> 06:34:32,495
firm MNPLLP as municipal auditors for the City of Thunder

5461
06:34:32,516 --> 06:34:34,335
Bay. And it's a local boards for a five -

5462
06:34:34,335 --> 06:34:36,895
year period. At the Fed of January 1st of this

5463
06:34:36,895 --> 06:34:40,415
year. This is for Council's consideration. We have Open Incroyments.

5464
06:34:42,498 --> 06:34:47,524
Please. Through you Speaker, the Municipal Act requires City Council

5465
06:34:47,545 --> 06:34:50,484
to appoint an external auditor for the Municipality and its

5466
06:34:50,505 --> 06:34:53,956
local boards for a term not exceeding five years. As

5467
06:34:53,956 --> 06:34:57,556
the auditory's accountable to you, this appointment is important. Governance

5468
06:34:57,577 --> 06:35:02,276
Responsibility of City Council. To meet this requirement, Administration conducted

5469
06:35:02,316 --> 06:35:05,636
a request for proposal process and received one Compliance submission.

5470
06:35:07,116 --> 06:35:11,255
A selection Committee completed a comprehensive evaluation of the proposal,

5471
06:35:11,255 --> 06:35:15,815
considering all established criteria, including the firm's technical approach, Municipal

5472
06:35:15,836 --> 06:35:20,535
Audit Experience, proposed audit team, references, and pricing. The Committee

5473
06:35:20,636 --> 06:35:24,135
also assessed the proposed fees in relation to historical, auto

5474
06:35:24,135 --> 06:35:27,495
fees, and current marketing conditions. Based on this review, the

5475
06:35:27,596 --> 06:35:32,135
Community determined that MNP LLP has the Qualifications Public Sector

5476
06:35:32,175 --> 06:35:36,455
Experience Independence and Capacity required to serve as the City's

5477
06:35:36,495 --> 06:35:39,815
External Auditor. The firm also demonstrated a strong understanding of

5478
06:35:39,855 --> 06:35:44,695
the City's complex Financial Reporting Environment and related entities. Furthermore,

5479
06:35:44,876 --> 06:35:47,015
the proposed fees were found to be reasonable and reflective

5480
06:35:47,036 --> 06:35:49,895
of current market conditions given the scope and complexity of

5481
06:35:50,076 --> 06:35:54,055
the services being provided. As a result, administration is recommending

5482
06:35:54,095 --> 06:35:57,735
that MNP LLP be appointed as the external auditor for

5483
06:35:57,775 --> 06:35:59,815
the City of Thunder Bay and its local boards for

5484
06:35:59,855 --> 06:36:05,549
the 2026 through 2030 Fiscal Years. Thank you, Commissioner. Councillor

5485
06:36:05,570 --> 06:36:07,229
Gertuga, did you want to move or do you want

5486
06:36:07,229 --> 06:36:10,138
to speak to it? Or both? Okay, I'll get a

5487
06:36:10,138 --> 06:36:13,178
mover and a speaker, sorry, a mover and a second

5488
06:36:13,199 --> 06:36:16,778
or not go to you. So Councillor Hamilton, Councillor Agarwal,

5489
06:36:16,778 --> 06:36:20,538
moves in second Councillor Gertuga, please. Thank you, Speaker Folge.

5490
06:36:20,538 --> 06:36:24,778
Um, so reading the report, we had two bids come

5491
06:36:24,778 --> 06:36:29,524
in. One was non - compliant. And so that was,

5492
06:36:29,524 --> 06:36:32,244
uh, kicked out. And then so we only had one

5493
06:36:32,345 --> 06:36:37,444
compliant bit, correct. Correct. And my reading is properly that

5494
06:36:37,865 --> 06:36:42,285
it's more than double. Than we're paying for now. To

5495
06:36:42,285 --> 06:36:45,224
the speaker, yes. It is more than double. However, there

5496
06:36:45,264 --> 06:36:50,584
are some additional circumstances to consider the previous engagement was

5497
06:36:51,645 --> 06:36:55,544
developed coming out of the COVID years. Um, so a

5498
06:36:55,544 --> 06:36:59,784
lot of things have changed in the market. Um, not

5499
06:36:59,805 --> 06:37:03,144
just in Thano Bay, but across Canada. Um, it's becoming

5500
06:37:03,184 --> 06:37:09,064
a lot more difficult for firms to find, qualified staff

5501
06:37:09,165 --> 06:37:16,504
and auditors. Um, and the capacity across these firms. Probably

5502
06:37:16,504 --> 06:37:18,584
less, less, I'd say less than it has been in

5503
06:37:18,624 --> 06:37:24,024
the past. Um, so it is coming in about double

5504
06:37:24,125 --> 06:37:27,384
the price, but given everything that's kind of going on

5505
06:37:27,405 --> 06:37:30,864
in the market, we did feel of as reasonable. So

5506
06:37:31,485 --> 06:37:34,664
the other noncopliant bid, why was it non - compliant.

5507
06:37:38,006 --> 06:37:41,265
So through the speaker, um, not sure I can say

5508
06:37:41,305 --> 06:37:44,625
that in an open session, uh, the reason for the

5509
06:37:44,625 --> 06:37:48,545
uncompliance. It was not a, it was not, it didn't,

5510
06:37:48,545 --> 06:37:51,105
it didn't meet any of the legitimate the criteria required

5511
06:37:51,206 --> 06:37:54,785
in order for us to consider it. Okay. I mean,

5512
06:37:55,366 --> 06:37:59,825
going from 219, 000 last year to 459 starting this

5513
06:37:59,825 --> 06:38:02,305
year with the four percent increase every year. I mean,

5514
06:38:03,046 --> 06:38:05,585
I just have concerns that it's doubled and we only

5515
06:38:05,585 --> 06:38:09,503
had one bid. So I mean, do we have any

5516
06:38:09,503 --> 06:38:13,503
options to go out to bid again? Or I mean,

5517
06:38:15,364 --> 06:38:17,983
it's just a, the comparative, right? You know, I mean,

5518
06:38:18,023 --> 06:38:20,943
so I don't unless you could tell me what the

5519
06:38:20,964 --> 06:38:23,543
non - compliant bid came in relatively the same. I

5520
06:38:23,543 --> 06:38:26,463
mean, I need something that compared to. So through the

5521
06:38:26,463 --> 06:38:29,103
speaker, um, it would not be in our best interest

5522
06:38:29,103 --> 06:38:31,583
to go back out again. We do have a compliant

5523
06:38:31,604 --> 06:38:37,543
bid. It was not, unfortunately, it wasn't unexpected amount. We

5524
06:38:37,604 --> 06:38:40,063
knew it was going to come in a lot higher.

5525
06:38:40,063 --> 06:38:42,363
Um, I can say that just based on my, uh,

5526
06:38:42,564 --> 06:38:46,943
my peers in the province, there are some, especially smaller

5527
06:38:46,943 --> 06:38:50,063
municipalities, uh, in the north that are having trouble finding

5528
06:38:50,084 --> 06:38:52,463
an auditor. And there are audits are being delayed because

5529
06:38:52,503 --> 06:38:56,663
of the inability to, to acquire the services required. So

5530
06:38:57,604 --> 06:39:01,643
there is, there is danger in going back out. Um,

5531
06:39:02,164 --> 06:39:04,383
that danger would be that we may not get an

5532
06:39:04,404 --> 06:39:07,703
auditor. And then we would have to. I actually don't

5533
06:39:07,703 --> 06:39:10,223
know what we would do at that point. Okay. I

5534
06:39:10,223 --> 06:39:15,036
did. Thank you. Thank you Councillor Cartu. Oliver, please. Thank

5535
06:39:15,036 --> 06:39:17,196
you, Speaker and through you just to bring some comfort

5536
06:39:17,297 --> 06:39:19,916
to Councillor Gertuga. I do sit on to not -

5537
06:39:19,916 --> 06:39:23,436
for - profit, um, boards and both boards have seen

5538
06:39:23,457 --> 06:39:27,036
their auditing fees double from last year or even the

5539
06:39:27,036 --> 06:39:29,676
year before. It does seem to be common practice across

5540
06:39:30,897 --> 06:39:33,276
this sector. And so unfortunately, I think we're just going

5541
06:39:33,276 --> 06:39:36,327
to have to grin and bear it. Thanks. Thank you,

5542
06:39:36,327 --> 06:39:44,128
Councillor Oliver. Councillor Egerwald, please. Thank you. Just speaker. Is

5543
06:39:44,128 --> 06:39:46,488
there, is that a requirement such have such a multiple

5544
06:39:46,669 --> 06:39:51,368
year agreement with the auditor? Or can it be a

5545
06:39:51,368 --> 06:39:56,947
two - year agreement. So through the chair, the length

5546
06:39:56,987 --> 06:40:03,081
of the agreement was part of the RFP. It's often

5547
06:40:03,422 --> 06:40:07,161
good to have a longer - term engagement. There's a

5548
06:40:07,161 --> 06:40:11,641
lot of work that goes into developing the, not just

5549
06:40:11,641 --> 06:40:13,241
the RFP, but the plan and getting to know the

5550
06:40:13,241 --> 06:40:21,481
organisation. Uh, luckily, um, NMP, so in 2025, um, the

5551
06:40:21,521 --> 06:40:27,881
City's auditor BDO was acquired by MNP. So, um, we've

5552
06:40:28,062 --> 06:40:32,121
had a relationship with this firm now for many years.

5553
06:40:32,462 --> 06:40:35,961
They understand the business. They understand really what it takes

5554
06:40:35,961 --> 06:40:39,561
to audit an entities such as the size of the

5555
06:40:39,561 --> 06:40:45,518
City. Which is why I think some audit firms who

5556
06:40:45,518 --> 06:40:49,582
aren't familiar with the autoimmune municipality. May shy away from

5557
06:40:49,582 --> 06:40:56,538
that. Okay. So multiple years were, is it required? There

5558
06:40:56,578 --> 06:40:59,178
is benefit. And yes, it is an increasing four percent

5559
06:40:59,359 --> 06:41:04,863
per year through the speaker. But it is bid based

5560
06:41:04,863 --> 06:41:08,303
on the entirety of the five year. Okay. Thank you.

5561
06:41:08,487 --> 06:41:11,906
Thank you, Councillor, seeing no further hands. Deputy City clerk,

5562
06:41:11,906 --> 06:41:15,609
please call a roll. Your worship in favor. Councillor Egerwald.

5563
06:41:16,695 --> 06:41:21,326
In favor. In favor Councillor Bence in favor. Councillor Attorney

5564
06:41:21,507 --> 06:41:24,686
in favor. It's beautiful. In favor. Councillor Truga? In favor.

5565
06:41:25,735 --> 06:41:30,594
Yes. Councillor Johnson in favor. Councillor Oliver. In favor. In

5566
06:41:30,615 --> 06:41:34,434
favor Councillor's Asino. In favor. Deputy City clerk. I see

5567
06:41:34,434 --> 06:41:38,197
that carried. Next item, please. Speed for the next item

5568
06:41:38,197 --> 06:41:40,597
on the agenda is item 8. 4. It's the Vacant

5569
06:41:40,637 --> 06:41:44,197
Position of the Resonation of Councillor Shelby Chun. It's report

5570
06:41:44,218 --> 06:41:48,037
353 2026 City Manager's Office Office of the City Torque.

5571
06:41:48,037 --> 06:41:51,157
Provides a recommendation relative to the resonation of Councillor Shelby

5572
06:41:51,197 --> 06:41:54,597
Chungham from office on July the 31st, 2026. This is

5573
06:41:54,597 --> 06:41:57,557
for Council's Consideration. I do have opening comments on this.

5574
06:41:57,597 --> 06:42:00,917
Let's hear them. So this report this evening is presented

5575
06:42:01,018 --> 06:42:03,717
you due to the vacancy of Townsort Shelby Chun who

5576
06:42:03,717 --> 06:42:07,077
has vacated her seat as of Friday, July the 31st.

5577
06:42:07,077 --> 06:42:09,877
Municipal out provides that council at its next meeting can

5578
06:42:09,917 --> 06:42:12,837
determine how the seat shall be filled as this is

5579
06:42:12,877 --> 06:42:14,997
an election year. There are restrictions in the municipal act

5580
06:42:15,018 --> 06:42:17,637
on the options that Councilton choose to fill the vacant

5581
06:42:17,677 --> 06:42:21,317
position. This means that a bioelection is not an option.

5582
06:42:21,317 --> 06:42:23,157
The date of the vacancy is noted in the report

5583
06:42:23,258 --> 06:42:25,717
allows council to leave the seat as vacant. And that's

5584
06:42:25,717 --> 06:42:28,517
because this vacancy is within 90 days of the Municipal

5585
06:42:28,778 --> 06:42:31,237
Architean Council. Also the report before you prevent two options

5586
06:42:31,498 --> 06:42:34,117
based on City of Thirty Policy and the Municipal At

5587
06:42:34,218 --> 06:42:37,397
one of which is recommendation is recommended rather is contained

5588
06:42:37,418 --> 06:42:39,797
in the Resolution. Happy to answer any questions that you

5589
06:42:39,797 --> 06:42:42,519
may have. Do need to move her in a seconder

5590
06:42:42,519 --> 06:42:45,719
as well. Mover in a seconder, please. Councillor Johnson, Councillor

5591
06:42:45,740 --> 06:42:51,588
Hamilton. Any questions to the Deputy City clerk. Seeing no

5592
06:42:51,609 --> 06:42:55,883
hands. Please call a roll. Councillor Assino. In favor. Councillor

5593
06:42:55,883 --> 06:42:59,163
Pastorino. In favor. Councillor Oliver. In favor. Councillor Johnson in

5594
06:42:59,203 --> 06:43:04,831
favor. That's for Hamilton. In favor. Yes. Speeder Foods in

5595
06:43:04,871 --> 06:43:08,591
favor. Councillor Trenny in favor Council for Bentz in favor.

5596
06:43:08,612 --> 06:43:14,386
Councillor Aiello in favor. In favor. Your worship in favor.

5597
06:43:14,386 --> 06:43:19,784
Deputy City clerk. I see that carried. Next item, please.

5598
06:43:21,005 --> 06:43:22,904
So I do want to bring something up, Spieter. I

5599
06:43:22,944 --> 06:43:24,744
have received a message from a member of Council who

5600
06:43:24,765 --> 06:43:28,344
is noting that we could deferring other items on the

5601
06:43:28,384 --> 06:43:31,384
agenda this evening that are not considered crucial and essential.

5602
06:43:31,384 --> 06:43:34,264
I would note that those items based on Conversations with

5603
06:43:34,445 --> 06:43:38,584
Administration would be items 9. 2, 9. 3, 9. 4

5604
06:43:38,845 --> 06:43:41,864
and 9. 5. All of these items would be deferred

5605
06:43:41,965 --> 06:43:44,264
the Setember of the 15th meeting. I would note that

5606
06:43:44,264 --> 06:43:46,344
we will still have to go through item 9. 1

5607
06:43:46,525 --> 06:43:49,624
as it is time sensitive. Uh, we do have a

5608
06:43:49,645 --> 06:43:51,984
mover for that. That would be Councillor Johnson. I don't

5609
06:43:51,984 --> 06:43:58,104
know if we want to, if there. Speaker. Um, concern,

5610
06:43:58,104 --> 06:44:02,064
I didn't queue in before, but item 9. 4, my

5611
06:44:02,205 --> 06:44:06,264
memo council. I do think it is important to get

5612
06:44:06,845 --> 06:44:09,684
in, given that it asks Administration to come back, uh,

5613
06:44:09,684 --> 06:44:13,304
with information. So I would argue that it should remain

5614
06:44:13,344 --> 06:44:16,694
on the list and not be removed. Well, in order

5615
06:44:16,734 --> 06:44:18,894
to these items to be deferred, there'd have to be

5616
06:44:18,894 --> 06:44:21,974
a motion to defer off. No one defers them. Then

5617
06:44:21,974 --> 06:44:25,205
we're doing them. So I'm seeing no hands. So we're

5618
06:44:25,245 --> 06:44:33,715
on item. We're going to be doing them. We'll continue.

5619
06:44:33,896 --> 06:44:36,915
9. 1. We have a mover. We do have mover.

5620
06:44:36,915 --> 06:44:39,155
So that's Councillor Gertuga. And can we have a second?

5621
06:44:39,155 --> 06:44:44,355
Councillor Trenny will second that. Councillor Gertuga, please. Thank you

5622
06:44:44,776 --> 06:44:46,835
Mr. Speaker. First off, I want to say thank you

5623
06:44:46,835 --> 06:44:50,115
to Councillor Trini for bringing this forward to the IGA.

5624
06:44:50,115 --> 06:44:53,555
Um, you know, in respect to the Northern Policing costs,

5625
06:44:53,555 --> 06:44:56,835
I mean, crime is higher in Northern Arterial and Northern

5626
06:44:57,096 --> 06:45:00,755
Terial Urban Hubs are absorbing the increased social injustice sector

5627
06:45:00,795 --> 06:45:04,035
costs. By the crime in Northern Ontario is three times

5628
06:45:04,075 --> 06:45:07,795
3. 7 times higher than Southern Ontario. The opiate mortality

5629
06:45:07,896 --> 06:45:10,915
rate is higher. Benees death rate is six times the

5630
06:45:10,915 --> 06:45:15,555
provincial average. And it went from 3. 9 to 2024

5631
06:45:16,056 --> 06:45:19,795
to five times in 2025 and then six times in

5632
06:45:19,835 --> 06:45:25,875
2026. Um, Residents pay in the Northern Ontario paid 45

5633
06:45:26,056 --> 06:45:32,537
dollars average more per year than our Southern Counterparts. Um,

5634
06:45:33,198 --> 06:45:37,737
communities within 100, 000 square kilometers. Um, and in southern

5635
06:45:37,758 --> 06:45:42,117
territory, there's 38 in the same, um, square kilometers. And

5636
06:45:42,478 --> 06:45:45,257
our police and costs here have increased 24 percent over

5637
06:45:45,297 --> 06:45:48,457
the last five years. And the different funding approaches between

5638
06:45:48,718 --> 06:45:53,577
Northern Ontario and Southern Ontario. Yet the provincial Government has

5639
06:45:53,838 --> 06:45:56,857
given 77 million in cost relief to the OPP with

5640
06:45:56,897 --> 06:46:00,057
no equivalent funding for Northwestern Artero. So there's some disparity

5641
06:46:00,078 --> 06:46:02,937
there. Um, and thank you Councillor Trini from bringing this

5642
06:46:02,958 --> 06:46:06,537
from the police services board. Anyways, we need to address

5643
06:46:06,577 --> 06:46:10,273
it. And we'll be doing that at AMO. Thank you

5644
06:46:10,614 --> 06:46:13,841
Councillor Councillor. Oliver, please. Thank you, Speaker. Uh, just looking

5645
06:46:13,881 --> 06:46:16,961
at the motion, I do see that, uh, it's to

5646
06:46:17,062 --> 06:46:21,121
be forwarded to AMO. Um, but in terms of collecting

5647
06:46:21,222 --> 06:46:24,441
some of that information, Deputy Clerk, you may want to

5648
06:46:24,441 --> 06:46:28,081
look at, uh, working with the Association Municipality on this

5649
06:46:28,182 --> 06:46:31,521
because they've just done a significant review of policing costs

5650
06:46:31,561 --> 06:46:35,521
across the province because OPP costs is substantially increased and

5651
06:46:35,521 --> 06:46:37,521
other parts of the province as well too. So in

5652
06:46:37,521 --> 06:46:39,361
terms of collective some of that data, I think you'd

5653
06:46:39,401 --> 06:46:42,641
find that up to be very useful. No, did thank

5654
06:46:42,641 --> 06:46:49,088
you. Sorry on the second round, Councillor, uh, any other

5655
06:46:49,128 --> 06:46:52,992
speakers on the first round. Councillor Gurtuga on the second

5656
06:46:52,992 --> 06:46:56,112
earlier. Thank you. And also just adding Nolam, the Ontario,

5657
06:46:56,112 --> 06:46:59,952
Northern Ontario larger with mayors have, um, presented a fact

5658
06:46:59,973 --> 06:47:02,968
sheet and a study also with it. So. And they'll

5659
06:47:02,968 --> 06:47:05,848
be presenting to the minister at Amo as well. Thank

5660
06:47:05,848 --> 06:47:09,288
you, Councillor, seeing no further hands, Deputy City clerk, police

5661
06:47:09,288 --> 06:47:12,408
call the role. Your worship in favor. Councillor Edgar Wall.

5662
06:47:13,423 --> 06:47:17,627
In favor. In favor. Councillor Bence in favor. Councillor Trenny

5663
06:47:17,808 --> 06:47:21,826
in favor. Speaker Foltz in favor Councillor Gertuga. In favor.

5664
06:47:23,281 --> 06:47:27,708
Yes. Uh, Councillor Johnson. In favor. Councillor Oliver in favor.

5665
06:47:27,748 --> 06:47:32,108
Councillor Pastorino in favor Councillor Zasino in favor deputy City

5666
06:47:32,209 --> 06:47:37,176
clerk. I see that carried. 9. 2 next item, please.

5667
06:47:37,437 --> 06:47:39,896
Now some of your agenda speter is a capital funding

5668
06:47:39,936 --> 06:47:43,096
options infrastructure deficit. It's a memorandum data joy. The 28th

5669
06:47:43,096 --> 06:47:45,576
from Councillor Mart Bentz providing a motion relative to the

5670
06:47:46,157 --> 06:47:49,976
item as Distrust Council Bence is the mover. I need

5671
06:47:50,016 --> 06:47:55,530
a seconder. Second, our Councillor Gertuga, please. Councillor Bence. Thank

5672
06:47:55,570 --> 06:47:58,730
you Speaker. Um, this resolution seeks to gain council support

5673
06:47:58,751 --> 06:48:02,650
to direct administration to explore options that will increase the

5674
06:48:02,690 --> 06:48:05,830
amount of funding being directed to capital maintenance. With the

5675
06:48:05,830 --> 06:48:10,970
goal of expediting the elimination of the infrastructure funding gap,

5676
06:48:10,970 --> 06:48:15,450
uh, maintaining our existing infrastructure leads to lower overall costs,

5677
06:48:15,450 --> 06:48:19,610
improved safety, as well as better quality of life. Uh,

5678
06:48:19,650 --> 06:48:22,490
the infrastructure deficit currently sits at more than 30 million

5679
06:48:22,671 --> 06:48:27,736
dollars annually. And we're currently on track to reach sustainable

5680
06:48:27,837 --> 06:48:31,176
funding to properly maintain our assets in the latter part

5681
06:48:31,176 --> 06:48:35,656
of the 2050s. It's 30 plus years. Um, more of

5682
06:48:36,317 --> 06:48:39,336
these budgets that aren't sufficient enough to take care of

5683
06:48:39,357 --> 06:48:43,096
our assets. So on top of that, we know this,

5684
06:48:43,136 --> 06:48:47,976
this gap could grow as analysis continues and inflationary pressures

5685
06:48:48,077 --> 06:48:51,816
continue to mount. Uh, information and options will come forward

5686
06:48:51,856 --> 06:48:54,296
to the next term of Council via the long term

5687
06:48:54,957 --> 06:48:57,736
or the long range financial plan update scheduled for the

5688
06:48:57,776 --> 06:49:01,656
first quarter of 2027. I see this is important for

5689
06:49:01,677 --> 06:49:04,776
the next Council to have. So they fully understand the

5690
06:49:04,797 --> 06:49:09,182
infrastructure deficit. Uh, it's implications and the options available to

5691
06:49:09,283 --> 06:49:12,542
them. If they wish to alter course, uh, one of

5692
06:49:12,542 --> 06:49:15,502
the concerns that this work will explore is if our

5693
06:49:15,542 --> 06:49:19,147
current approach is moving the dial significantly. On the infrastructure

5694
06:49:19,168 --> 06:49:24,667
gap. We may learn that our currents approach is not

5695
06:49:24,707 --> 06:49:27,787
sufficient. And that's really what I'm concerned about. I mean,

5696
06:49:27,888 --> 06:49:32,347
inflationary pressures, uh, maybe eating up most of the work

5697
06:49:32,387 --> 06:49:35,307
we think we're doing here. So I really think we

5698
06:49:35,347 --> 06:49:38,267
need to have a, have a close look at this.

5699
06:49:38,932 --> 06:49:43,951
Um, so in light of that, um, I worked with

5700
06:49:44,132 --> 06:49:48,191
administration. Uh, that's what, that's where the municipal price index

5701
06:49:48,231 --> 06:49:51,871
comes in. They're looking at what are the true costs

5702
06:49:51,972 --> 06:49:55,711
from municipal work in terms of capital. Um, you know,

5703
06:49:56,212 --> 06:49:59,871
we tend to focus on the CPI, which is a

5704
06:49:59,972 --> 06:50:02,831
basket of goods that a household would buy. But the

5705
06:50:02,852 --> 06:50:06,511
municipality is much different. And we may need to be

5706
06:50:06,532 --> 06:50:09,531
aware of that and understand it in order to, uh,

5707
06:50:09,652 --> 06:50:12,591
if we do wish to, to invest more in that.

5708
06:50:12,631 --> 06:50:16,411
So just let you know I collaborate with administration, uh,

5709
06:50:16,411 --> 06:50:18,991
on the broad context of this and the timing of

5710
06:50:20,212 --> 06:50:24,431
the information to come back. So that's, that's my intro.

5711
06:50:25,092 --> 06:50:31,792
Thank you, Councillor. Seeing no further hands. Deputy City clerk.

5712
06:50:32,984 --> 06:50:35,803
Councillor Hamilton, please. Yeah. Speaker folds just the note, a

5713
06:50:35,803 --> 06:50:44,003
quick note from admin in 2019, we've got the program

5714
06:50:44,264 --> 06:50:46,723
and services review, uh, that was great. There was a

5715
06:50:46,723 --> 06:50:49,843
number of initiatives up till now. So that's been six,

5716
06:50:49,843 --> 06:50:54,963
seven years. Many of those, uh, initiatives remain unfunded or

5717
06:50:54,984 --> 06:50:58,623
piecemeal funding. So I'm just wondering what kind of, you

5718
06:50:58,623 --> 06:51:01,843
know, what kind of innovative revenue generating ways to address

5719
06:51:01,944 --> 06:51:07,637
capital might we be looking at. From a revenue perspective,

5720
06:51:07,677 --> 06:51:09,237
just to kind of put it into perspective on what

5721
06:51:09,277 --> 06:51:14,319
that report might read, how that report might read. Through

5722
06:51:14,319 --> 06:51:18,159
the speaker. Um, so they report that we, uh, we're

5723
06:51:18,159 --> 06:51:20,879
working on with Councillor Benz for that, while we were

5724
06:51:20,919 --> 06:51:23,039
contemplating, it was an update to the long range financial

5725
06:51:23,079 --> 06:51:27,679
plan. Um, and seeing how that, how like, what that

5726
06:51:27,679 --> 06:51:34,719
would look like in terms of sustainable tax levies while

5727
06:51:34,740 --> 06:51:40,079
addressing, be more aggressively addressing the, uh, the infrastructure gap.

5728
06:51:40,079 --> 06:51:43,439
Um, in terms of revenue, I think that's another discussion.

5729
06:51:43,824 --> 06:51:47,803
Um, I don't, I don't have the information with Ami

5730
06:51:48,704 --> 06:51:52,203
to really discuss that at this point. But, uh, yeah.

5731
06:51:53,441 --> 06:51:55,740
Okay. I'm okay with that. Then looking forward to the

5732
06:51:55,761 --> 06:51:59,260
report. Thanks. Thank you. Deputy City clerk, please call the

5733
06:51:59,300 --> 06:52:03,740
roll. Councillors Asino in favor. Councillor Pastorino and Craver. Councillor

5734
06:52:03,780 --> 06:52:07,500
Oliver in favor Councillor Johnson in favor Councillor Hamilton. Yes.

5735
06:52:07,521 --> 06:52:11,020
Councillor Gertuga. Yes. Speaker Folds in favor. Tell us what

5736
06:52:11,020 --> 06:52:14,540
we're training in favor. Council for Bentz in favor. Councillor

5737
06:52:15,281 --> 06:52:20,640
in favor Councillor. In favor your worship in favor Deputy

5738
06:52:20,661 --> 06:52:25,120
City clerk. I see that carried next item, please. Speech

5739
06:52:25,160 --> 06:52:26,880
with the Nights. I'm on the agenda. Item 9. 3

5740
06:52:27,301 --> 06:52:29,600
information on the sale of Parkland. It's a memorandum data

5741
06:52:29,640 --> 06:52:33,904
July the 16th from Councillor Trevor Gertuga. Providing a motion

5742
06:52:33,944 --> 06:52:37,184
relative to this item. It is Move My Councillor Cortuga.

5743
06:52:37,184 --> 06:52:41,504
I do need a seconder. Councillor Attraining, please. Councillor Gertuga,

5744
06:52:41,504 --> 06:52:43,104
please. Thank you. I just laid. I won't take a

5745
06:52:43,104 --> 06:52:47,170
lot of time. This is specific to Parkland. Designate Parkline,

5746
06:52:47,170 --> 06:52:49,410
not Green Space. And it's just to avoid any kind

5747
06:52:49,410 --> 06:52:52,770
of possible problems where we might have had with Junot

5748
06:52:53,351 --> 06:52:56,050
Park and just, uh, I know administration did come to

5749
06:52:56,050 --> 06:52:59,730
us, but I just at earliest possible point I'd like

5750
06:52:59,730 --> 06:53:02,770
to have, uh, especially if contentious issues, which Park Land

5751
06:53:02,810 --> 06:53:05,570
will be, um, that had come forward to us at

5752
06:53:05,570 --> 06:53:09,090
the earliest convenience so that we're not, uh, far along

5753
06:53:09,130 --> 06:53:11,970
the process of negotiations when council may not want him

5754
06:53:12,010 --> 06:53:13,890
to take that direction rate from the start. That's all.

5755
06:53:13,890 --> 06:53:23,001
Thank you. Seeing no further hands. Deputy City clerk, please

5756
06:53:23,001 --> 06:53:28,282
call a roll. Your worship in favor Agerwall. In favor

5757
06:53:28,703 --> 06:53:34,362
Council Rayo in favor in favor Councillor Trenny in favor.

5758
06:53:34,362 --> 06:53:38,122
Speaker folds in favor Councillor Cortuga in favor. Councillor Hamill.

5759
06:53:38,162 --> 06:53:42,841
Yes. In favor Councillor Oliver in favor Councillor Pastolino in

5760
06:53:42,881 --> 06:53:46,908
favor Councillor Jacino in favor. Deputy City clerk. I see

5761
06:53:46,948 --> 06:53:50,408
that carried next item, please. Speer than I say, I'm

5762
06:53:50,408 --> 06:53:52,588
on the agenda. I'm 9. 4 Road Work for Mountain

5763
06:53:52,628 --> 06:53:56,268
Road N 15 Side Road. Mebrerandum Datajoy. The 20th from

5764
06:53:56,289 --> 06:54:00,108
Councillor Greg Johnson providing a motion rather relative to the

5765
06:54:00,289 --> 06:54:02,828
above noted. This is moved by Councillor Johnson. I do

5766
06:54:02,828 --> 06:54:07,839
need a seconder. Councillor Training seconds Councillor Johnson, please. Thank

5767
06:54:07,879 --> 06:54:12,139
you through. Um, yeah, and actually speaker folds. Thank you

5768
06:54:12,139 --> 06:54:17,919
for the quick conversation on this in July 7th essentially

5769
06:54:17,959 --> 06:54:22,799
creating the memo, at least in my head. Um, Council

5770
06:54:22,839 --> 06:54:26,079
will remember the July 7th Planning meeting we had. Residents

5771
06:54:26,079 --> 06:54:29,759
came forward. Uh, much like tonight, although not as long.

5772
06:54:29,759 --> 06:54:33,359
And many other comments were, well, very diverse, but they

5773
06:54:33,399 --> 06:54:36,559
all seem to concentrate on the road work on 15th

5774
06:54:36,559 --> 06:54:40,239
side road in Mountain Road. And so this is essentially

5775
06:54:40,340 --> 06:54:45,599
a nod for administration. Our engineer department to simply gather

5776
06:54:45,620 --> 06:54:50,799
information, um, there's no money's involved. Um, now our journey,

5777
06:54:50,799 --> 06:54:54,559
our budget time. It essentially just, um, puts the details

5778
06:54:54,980 --> 06:54:57,919
on the page. And I think a couple of residents

5779
06:54:58,100 --> 06:55:03,279
actually, uh, emailed Councillor Gattuga, Councillor Agawal, Concert Benson suggesting

5780
06:55:03,279 --> 06:55:06,799
that they wanted to do an upcoming deputation to a

5781
06:55:06,839 --> 06:55:10,719
committee. So, uh, this might be helpful for, for that.

5782
06:55:10,719 --> 06:55:13,919
And, you know, it's, it's deemed as a concern by

5783
06:55:14,260 --> 06:55:18,879
residents there as it was expressed month or so ago.

5784
06:55:18,879 --> 06:55:22,079
So this is essentially, um, meeting them where they're at

5785
06:55:22,100 --> 06:55:25,839
and providing information. Just information. Um, and as I understand

5786
06:55:25,940 --> 06:55:29,919
it in consulting with clerks department and engineering, this isn't,

5787
06:55:29,919 --> 06:55:34,879
uh, an egregious ask in some ways, I think I

5788
06:55:34,879 --> 06:55:39,359
was told, um, nearly complete already, if I could use

5789
06:55:39,399 --> 06:55:43,599
that phrase. So, uh, seeking council support. Thank you. Speaker.

5790
06:55:43,599 --> 06:55:48,050
Thank you, Councillor. Seeing no further hands on this Deputy

5791
06:55:48,151 --> 06:55:51,170
City clerk, please call a roll. Councillor Asino in favor.

5792
06:55:51,191 --> 06:55:54,690
Councillor Pastolino. In favor. Councillor Oliver in favor Councillor Johnson.

5793
06:55:55,193 --> 06:56:02,068
In favor Councillor Hamilton? Yes. Councillor Gertuga. Yes. Speedrfolds in

5794
06:56:02,108 --> 06:56:07,845
favor. Councillor training in favor. In favor Councillor in favor.

5795
06:56:09,225 --> 06:56:13,364
In favor. And your worship. Deputy City clerk. I see

5796
06:56:13,364 --> 06:56:18,681
that carried. Next item, please. That same speedruns item 9.

5797
06:56:18,721 --> 06:56:23,881
5. Advocacy harmonization rather of Northern Road Construction Standards. It's

5798
06:56:23,881 --> 06:56:26,201
a memorandum data joy. The 23rd from the chair of

5799
06:56:26,201 --> 06:56:29,881
the Intergovernmental Affairs Committee Council Trevor Gertuga providing a motion

5800
06:56:29,921 --> 06:56:33,361
relative to this item. The mover is Councillor Tuttuga. I

5801
06:56:33,361 --> 06:56:39,610
do need a seconder. Secondary, please. Councillor Johnson. Councillor Couga,

5802
06:56:39,610 --> 06:56:42,410
please. Thank you Mr. Speaker. Well, let me just transportation.

5803
06:56:43,338 --> 06:56:46,997
Through the highway transportation highway proven act has given the

5804
06:56:47,258 --> 06:56:52,197
minister at new authority to cementary standards for, um, road

5805
06:56:52,197 --> 06:56:56,837
construction. Minister of Road Construction. And under the Provincial Standard

5806
06:56:56,858 --> 06:57:00,837
Specifications for the Miz Rebel Road Construction. And the concern

5807
06:57:00,837 --> 06:57:03,637
is it may add due to our climate and other

5808
06:57:03,677 --> 06:57:08,917
issues. It may add additional, um, pricing to our role

5809
06:57:08,957 --> 06:57:16,757
construction. Um, and, uh, perhaps Mr. Director Minama might want

5810
06:57:16,757 --> 06:57:24,658
to add something with that. Director, sorry, manager, sorry. Direct

5811
06:57:24,698 --> 06:57:27,818
here. Director, my goodness, it is quarter to two. So

5812
06:57:27,879 --> 06:57:31,624
director meet him up, please. Thank you, Councillor Tuga and

5813
06:57:31,664 --> 06:57:34,584
Mr. Speaker. Um, yeah, the general preface of this is

5814
06:57:34,765 --> 06:57:38,184
the province has put in new legislation. That helps control.

5815
06:57:38,184 --> 06:57:41,144
They got into the weeds of controlling our construction standards,

5816
06:57:41,144 --> 06:57:44,024
we'll say. Um, so this proposed harmonization is a cross

5817
06:57:44,024 --> 06:57:47,384
of province of harmonizing road construction standards from Thunder Bay

5818
06:57:47,424 --> 06:57:51,224
to Toronto. Um, well, engineers generally supportive of the use

5819
06:57:51,245 --> 06:57:53,944
of OPS standards as our interior provincial standards. Um, we

5820
06:57:53,965 --> 06:57:56,424
do use them as a base. We do have some

5821
06:57:56,605 --> 06:57:59,144
flexibility and refinement of what we've done for our local

5822
06:57:59,165 --> 06:58:02,824
conditions supporting our local environment in Thunder Bay, as well

5823
06:58:02,824 --> 06:58:04,824
as more local economy and kind of how we've done

5824
06:58:04,824 --> 06:58:08,424
things in urban environment. Um, so this proposed legislation will

5825
06:58:08,605 --> 06:58:10,664
help limit that and limit our flexibility to our job

5826
06:58:10,925 --> 06:58:13,704
as we have done for many, many years. Um, there's

5827
06:58:13,704 --> 06:58:16,024
also concerns in terms of the general conditions of a

5828
06:58:16,024 --> 06:58:18,264
contracts that we have modified with the help from legal

5829
06:58:18,285 --> 06:58:21,624
team to how we manage our contractors from a legal

5830
06:58:21,645 --> 06:58:25,464
perspective. Um, so the proposed legislation was significantly hamper that.

5831
06:58:25,464 --> 06:58:27,464
So we have concerns with, with multiple aspects of this

5832
06:58:27,485 --> 06:58:30,323
proposal legislation. So we're just asking to kind of all

5833
06:58:30,424 --> 06:58:32,483
lobby be an advocate on behalf of us to the

5834
06:58:32,523 --> 06:58:34,723
province help. Put us at the table to continue to

5835
06:58:34,763 --> 06:58:37,203
consultation and make sure our voice are heard when this,

5836
06:58:37,203 --> 06:58:42,677
when this program is further rolled out. And just to

5837
06:58:42,677 --> 06:58:44,917
add that we, we generally use the provincial standards for

5838
06:58:45,338 --> 06:58:48,197
construction, but we mandated to have to do that at

5839
06:58:48,218 --> 06:58:52,854
certain times and in certain seasons. Perhaps would be hardship.

5840
06:58:54,699 --> 06:59:01,798
Thank you, Councillor. Your worship, please. Yes, thank you, perhaps

5841
06:59:02,219 --> 06:59:08,678
you can address this that, would we not also be

5842
06:59:08,678 --> 06:59:12,438
forwarding this to such organisations as the Ontario Good Roads

5843
06:59:12,478 --> 06:59:19,429
Association, those types of groups. Yeah, I mean, I think

5844
06:59:19,429 --> 06:59:23,029
so. Yeah. That'd be we add that to the resolution,

5845
06:59:23,029 --> 06:59:27,613
please. Uh, can you please just specify what you're looking

5846
06:59:27,653 --> 06:59:30,893
to add here? Ontario Goodroads Association. Okay. Just, uh, just

5847
06:59:30,933 --> 06:59:36,811
to send them a copy. Yes, please. As part, I

5848
06:59:36,811 --> 06:59:39,211
think we probably, we've already put it on the floor.

5849
06:59:39,211 --> 06:59:44,440
So I think we need an amendment. Well, we don't

5850
06:59:44,440 --> 06:59:48,325
do friendly amendments at Council. Yeah. Through the speaker just

5851
06:59:48,325 --> 06:59:51,045
to clarify, we have added other municipal advocacy bodies as

5852
06:59:51,085 --> 06:59:53,685
a general statement in the resolution. So good road to

5853
06:59:53,725 --> 06:59:56,805
be covered off in that general statement. Okay. So it's

5854
06:59:56,826 --> 06:59:59,925
your worship that's covered up. I'm good. Thank you. Seeing

5855
07:00:00,026 --> 07:00:04,151
no further hands. Deputy City clerk, please call a role.

5856
07:00:04,332 --> 07:00:09,781
Your worship in favor Councillor Eagerwol. In favor Councillor in

5857
07:00:09,821 --> 07:00:13,061
favor Councillor Bence in favor. Tell us where attracty in

5858
07:00:13,061 --> 07:00:17,221
favor. It's Putin. In favor. Councillor too. In favor. Councillor

5859
07:00:17,261 --> 07:00:21,381
Hamilton. Favor. Council Johnson in favor council Oliver in favor

5860
07:00:21,482 --> 07:00:25,701
Councillor Pastorino in favor Councillors Asino. In favor. Deputy City

5861
07:00:25,722 --> 07:00:26,661
clerk. I see that carried.

5862
07:00:39,370 --> 07:00:41,989
Next item, please. There's a number of Bywalls this evening

5863
07:00:42,010 --> 07:00:45,349
in the Biowell Resolution. The first one was Biolaw 125

5864
07:00:45,370 --> 07:00:48,869
for Site Plan Control for 144 Fan Chubb. Bywaw 126

5865
07:00:48,970 --> 07:00:52,149
for Site Plant Control for 791 to Rundle. 239 for

5866
07:00:52,189 --> 07:00:54,789
sub 91 a Rundell Street. A holding symbol removal at

5867
07:00:54,890 --> 07:00:59,109
2170 Linda Avenue. By 1. 314 zoning Byloff for 144

5868
07:00:59,290 --> 07:01:02,829
Fan Shaw Biolaw 327 of Bylo to repeal Bywaw on

5869
07:01:02,829 --> 07:01:06,949
99 2017 by 328 for the official Plan Amend Amendment

5870
07:01:07,130 --> 07:01:12,309
of Rundell Street Bywaw 331 Community Services Municipal Enforcement Services

5871
07:01:12,349 --> 07:01:17,269
for parking. Bywaw 334 subdivision agreement with DK's Development's Inc.

5872
07:01:17,450 --> 07:01:21,189
Bywaw 344 2020 sits to withdraw Delegate of Authority for

5873
07:01:21,210 --> 07:01:23,989
Committee of Adjustment 791 Arundel Street. I need to move

5874
07:01:23,989 --> 07:01:26,922
her in a seconder. Need a mover in a second

5875
07:01:26,962 --> 07:01:31,882
or please. Councillor Cezino Councillor Pascalino seeing no hands deputy

5876
07:01:31,903 --> 07:01:34,602
City clerk please call a roll. Outs of Sino. In

5877
07:01:34,642 --> 07:01:39,124
favor. Councillor Pastowieno. In favor. Councillor Old. In favor. In

5878
07:01:39,164 --> 07:01:43,924
favor. Councillor Hamilton. Yes. Councillor Tertuga? Yes. Speaker Folds. In

5879
07:01:43,964 --> 07:01:50,307
favor. Councillor Trenny in favor Councillor Benz. In favor. In

5880
07:01:50,328 --> 07:01:55,267
favor Agarwal. In favor. And your worship in favor Deputy

5881
07:01:55,288 --> 07:02:00,779
City clerk. I see that carried. Next item please. For

5882
07:02:00,779 --> 07:02:02,459
the next time on the agenda is the establishment for

5883
07:02:02,499 --> 07:02:05,019
coal session. Minuten will be Special Committee of the Hole

5884
07:02:05,059 --> 07:02:08,139
on Tuesday, September the 15th at 530 to receive information

5885
07:02:10,560 --> 07:02:14,219
239 subsection 2 and K of the Municipal Act. I

5886
07:02:14,259 --> 07:02:17,019
need to mover in a second. Councillor Oliver and Councillor

5887
07:02:17,040 --> 07:02:20,624
Gertuga. Seeing no hands. Please call a roll. Your worship

5888
07:02:20,965 --> 07:02:26,624
in favor Councillor Egerwolf in favor. Rio in favor Councillor

5889
07:02:26,664 --> 07:02:31,103
Bence. In favor. That's where Trenny. In favor. Speaker folds

5890
07:02:31,204 --> 07:02:35,854
in favor. Councillor Cortuga. In favor. Councillor Hamilton. Yes. Councillor

5891
07:02:35,894 --> 07:02:39,374
Johnson in favor. Councillor Oliver in favor. Councillor Pastowieno in

5892
07:02:39,414 --> 07:02:43,456
favor. And Councillor Zesino. In favor. Deputy Circle. I see

5893
07:02:43,456 --> 07:02:46,016
that carried. Next item please. Well, I'm on the agenda

5894
07:02:46,056 --> 07:02:49,056
this evening is the confirming Bywall from the Siemens Proceedings.

5895
07:02:49,056 --> 07:02:51,456
I need to move her in a seconder. Councillor Gertuga

5896
07:02:51,637 --> 07:02:57,606
Councillor Hamilton, please call a roll. Council or Zecino. In

5897
07:02:57,646 --> 07:03:02,486
favor. Councillor Pastoino. In favor. Councillor Oliver. In favor. In

5898
07:03:02,526 --> 07:03:08,403
favor. Councillor Hamilton. Yes. Councillor Gertuga. Yes. Speakerful in favor.

5899
07:03:11,363 --> 07:03:15,502
In favor. Councillor Bence in favor. That's Rio. In favor.

5900
07:03:15,502 --> 07:03:19,422
Councillor Egerwolm in favor. Your worship in favor. Deputy Clerk.

5901
07:03:19,422 --> 07:03:22,542
I see that carried. Next item, please. There are no

5902
07:03:22,582 --> 07:03:26,462
further items. A motion to adjourn. Councillor Johnson and Councillor

5903
07:03:26,483 --> 07:03:29,662
Pascalino. Have a good morning, everyone. Good morning.

5904
07:04:02,179 --> 07:04:10,654
Inter. Jeez, I was 10 minutes off.