August meeting of the uh Tory plane board will come to order. Would you
please stand? And uh Tony, will you lead us in the pledge, please?
» Sure.
To the flag, United States of America and to the republic for which it stands.
One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
We'll call the role here. Member Scully >> present.
» Member Dickinson >> present.
» Member Shufeld >> present.
» Member York >> present.
» Um member Kho. All board members present. Uh we have a quorum of course.
So, the first order of business would be to adopt the meeting minutes from the
previous meeting, the June meeting of the board. Is there a motion? Has
everyone had an opportunity to see them, review them?
» Yes. >> Is there a motion?
» Yes. I make a motion that we adopt the uh meeting minutes from
» June >> 16 was it?
» I second. >> Discussion. All in favor say I.
» I. >> Post say no. And the motion carries
unanimously. Thank you. >> For those of you who are here for the u
Lancingberg Gateway project, it's not on the agenda tonight. It's been removed, I
believe, at the request of the applicant. Is there anybody who was here
for that? If so, we're not will we will not be addressing that at all tonight.
Well, the first item uh we will consider is uh PLB 202600485
Earl Street.
do this. Come back. >> Hi, how are you folks?
» No, it's on the bottom.
[clears throat] >> Good evening everyone. My name is
Courtney Davis. I'm a civil engineer with Labella Associates. I'm joined
tonight by Kristen KG with Unity House of Troy and we're here tonight to
continue our discussion of the proposed lot line adjustment between Unity houses
185 rail street and 2428 Fth Avenue parcels. So since we were last here,
nothing has changed planetrically with proposed lot line adjustment, but we did
go before the zoning board and we were able to obtain the three necessary
variances for the project. So on our end, those are the only updates we
really have. So we'll turn it back over to you all for discussion, questions,
and comments. Okay, thank you. >> [clears throat]
» So, we have a public hearing, I think. Do you have any questions before we have
public hearing? >> I do not.
» Defer. Okay. All right. So, thank you. You can have a seat. We'll see if
there's any member of the public who wants to comment on this and is there
anyone here to comment on this application?
If not, we'll close the public hearing and uh Zoom.
» Pardon me. >> Zoom.
» On Zoom. >> No. Okay.
» And open it up to board questions and discussion. So, you may want to come
back up. We may have some questions. I'm not sure. Sorry about that. But you
exercise is good. Uh, any questions?
» Well, again,
» stay right there. >> Sorry about that. Okay. Uh, all no
questions. All right. Then we'll entertain a motion. Is there
» go ahead motion? >> Motion to approve the application.
» I'd like to make a motion to approve this application.
» I second. >> Any discussion?
» I would just like to um wish you good luck with your two nuns and a frier.
» Thank you. >> Great. Thank you all.
» Good luck. >> Thank you.
» Good luck. So, we'll take all in favor uh please say I. I.
» Any oppose say no. And motion carries unanimously. Now, good luck.
» [laughter]
» The next item is uh Andrew uh bricks going to
» Sure. Hi. Good good evening. Um a couple administrative items uh that um I've
been working on since since I came back on board and it's great to be back. Very
excited to be here. Thank you for having me.
» Welcome. Happy to have you. Thank you. Um the first is there was an extens
there was a request for an extension of time for a pending application uh for PL
PB 20260023. It's 1584th Street. It's pork store. Um
I believe they're waiting on archaeology. Um and and so they just
requested additional time before they time lapsed. Um and they had made that
request for last month's meeting which was uh postponed. So, um, they'd be
seeking a a resolution from you to grant them a six-month extension.
» Right. Is there a motion to that effect? >> I make a motion that we give them their
six months extension. The park's >> discussion. All in favor say I.
» Oppose say no. >> And the motion carries unanimously.
» Cool. And and then the second item um is relates to Eddie's Lane apartment
project which you approved in, I believe, late 2025. Mhm.
» Um they are currently uh applying for benefits to the city IDA and part of the
city IDA application process is uh them providing an a fully completed
environmental assessment form. Um when we went to go complete that, we realized
that technically when you approved that project, you never approved a secret NEG
deck resolution. Um, clearly if you approve a project, you you meant the NE
deck. There's there's no question. And all they need is the form completed and
signed by city staff. So, I just wanted to confirm with all of you that your
intention at the time was to neg it and then we can have Eric sign it and
provide it to them so they can move along with the IDA.
» So, Andy, do we need a motion to that or just authorization for? to do it as
motion, but if we have conf and and that's probably more formal confirmation
uh and that way if they have any questions then we can provide the
resolution. So yeah, a motion resolution >> motion would be to provide a resolution
uh signed by uh Eric. Correct. >> I think it would be a motion to
authorize Eric as the city planner to sign the environmental assessment form
for the Eddie Lane project. I'd like to make a motion to authorize Eric, our
city planner, to sign the seeker form for Eddie's Lane, the Eddie's Lane
project. >> I second.
» Discussion. >> All in favor say I.
» Oppose say no. >> And the motion carries unanimously.
» Great. Thank you.
» How did we miss that? Next item is PLPB 202260049
272 Kuzix Street. Are the applicants present or representative?
» Hello. >> My name is Adam Patella. I'm an
architect and one of the design professionals for this project. Uh the
freetore project on Husk Street, if you recall, is uh a redevelopment of the
former Wraid site on the corner of Bdett and Husk Street. Um, we presented last
at the June meeting. Excuse me. There we go. At the June meeting, uh,
most of the discussion then was about kind of the operations and the nature of
the project itself. Uh, the ver, uh, excuse me, the majority of kind
of public comments and comments from you guys, uh, circled around preventing site
access during close of business hours, uh, to prevent people from leaving
unwanted items and things like that on site. Uh as such we responded by
providing a retractable gate along the um Berdett Street entrance and after
speaking with the fire department uh they noted that in the event of an
emergency they would only use the Berdett entrance. So uh to close off the
Hoosi street entrance there'd be a fence would be put across the Hoosi street
entrance instead of um we had offered retractable ballards and things like
that but the fire department did not want those to be installed. So we'd be
providing a fence over there. Did you say then you're just going to close it
off completely? >> Yeah, it would be closed off completely.
Um the the amount of traffic is not we don't need two entrances for that. Uh
there were another there were a number of other items and the staff
recommendations that were addressed on the site plan. Uh this included um
excuse me this included uh adding bike uh bike
racks. Um there was a discussion about kind of the detailed nature of
deliveries and when those are happening during our previous discussions. So we
took care of that. Uh we provided an updated complete streets form. Um I
discussed the nature of the BDET entrance as well. We revised and
provided sto uh excuse me snow storage locations. Um, we also had an extensive
discussion about the logistics behind um, unwanted items being disposed and
how there's kind of someone that will always be managing what is dropped off
through appointments and things like that. So, there won't be uh, unwanted or
um, large items that would not be able to be disposed of other than just kind
of a traditional dumpster. So, no like large couches or anything like that.
That was a previous concern. So, we discussed that at the previous meeting.
Um we also discussed the gate. Uh there were two items uh related to um the
parking lot redevelopment that we sought area variances for. One was uh providing
the required number of shade trees on the site and the other one was related
to pedestrian circulation in the form of extending the sidewalk um across the
berdett street entrance. At last month's ZBA, we presented our case and they
granted us area variances for um I believe it's four shade trees and
appropriate kind of landscape islands in the parking lot instead of the required
10 trees. And uh we're going to be we got a variance to do striping across the
Bdett Street entrance instead of building a new sidewalk there. Um both
of those were related to kind of just like feasibility questions.
Um there was another note about security cameras. Security cameras are noted on
the site plan as well to be installed. >> Well, I'm sorry. Security cameras, what?
» They they're noted on the site plan to be installed just kind of as normal
operation. >> Um
the staff comments for tonight's meeting, um there didn't seem to be any
kind of actionable items on our part. Um just notes about the variances that
we've previously received
and that's all. >> Great. Thank you. Got to clarify. Uh,
drop off is going to be by appointment only. Is that correct? Drop off of items
for sale. Yes. For the store. And is pickup
» Well, shopping is also an appointment related kind of uh thing. So, you you
show up, you sign in, you do your shopping, and then you you sign out.
» But do they do they make an appointment before they show up to sign up? Yes.
» Sign in.
» Questions. And what was your days of operation again? Tuesday, Wednesday,
Friday, Saturday. Was that
» um And during Well, when you're closed, uh you're going to have a gate that goes
across the the entrance and be locked. Yeah, the gate would be um
locked in such a way that in the event of an emergency would be able to be
opened by the fire department, but yeah, it would be closed off so someone can't
just drive a truck in and dump a bunch of stuff, which
» seemed to be the biggest um >> fear, if that's the right word.
» And the entire perimeter is going to be basically fenced when the gates close.
» Correct. There's already an existing fence around access though.
» No.
Oh, and uh we're requesting a three-month window to install these
different kind of uh infrastructure pieces um such as the gates and um the
the parking improvements as well as part of our uh as a condition of approval for
from this case. Maybe you can just >> Yeah, specifically with respect to the
gates, uh we estimate it'll take about 3 months to get the gates installed. So we
would secure it with a chain initially subject to the obligation to get the
gate operational within 3 months. That was reflected on the site plan that went
in last month.
» Do I understand also that your um dumpster is going to be in the far
souththeast corner of your parking? Is that where I saw it? And is that also
going to be fenced and locked? >> Uh yep. So, we've got a note to replace
andor restore the existing dumpster corral. So, um the dumpster corral would
have uh you know a chain link fence with a lock around it.
» Okay. And your security cameras will be poised on those too so that we can see
the whole sidewalks, driveways,
parking area. >> Yes. Okay.
» Other questions? Okay, thank you. We'll see what the
public has to say. Thank you. Any member of the public here to speak
on this application?
» Okay. >> Anybody?
» No one online, right? Eric and Zoom. >> Yeah. Okay. All right. All right, then
we'll close the public hearing and we'll open it up again for public for board
comment question. >> Okay,
» this question. >> Uh, have you looked into the trespass
affidavit program? One thing you want to make sure is
Berdetta Avenue is known for a great university. Uh, in May, people leave
that great university and tend to get rid of the stuff. Um, so you know,
without us incurring more costs to the city to look at your property, have you
looked into this program >> at all?
» No.
» Might be something that you might want to look into. If the [clears throat]
community police are there or whatever could be called or happen to be going
by, they would have the authority to deal with whatever trespassers or
you have might be something. You know, you can coordinate it with a community
police if you wanted to. >> Okay.
» Um, we also [clears throat] would like to suggest an operation and maintenance
plan for the site. um like to know uh provide 247 point of
contact
in case anything goes wrong, somebody needs to be called.
Um are you going to have an alarm system on
your building? Will there be an alarm system in the
doors or windows or anything?
Would
you identify yourself please for the record?
» Sarah Brillier. Um, we're working with Alex Security right now to come up with
a good system. >> Alarm system.
» Yes. And and camera system is going to be tied in with that also. And also the
gate system will probably be tied in with the alarm system and the camera
system. >> That's great.
» Thank you. So, would you agree to some of the
following conditions if we were to approve tonight? Uh, no outdoor goods
displays. >> Yes. Is that a yes?
» Yes. >> No outdoor storage of goods?
» No. None. >> Gates closed the night to prevent
dumping. >> Yes.
That would would that be um anytime that you're not open the gates will be
closed. Is that correct? Locked. Anytime you're not open for business, the gates
will be closed. >> Um
» yeah. Yes. >> The the distinction is theoretically in
the winter you may be open at night, but the gate would need to be open if you're
open. So rather than tying closing the gate at night, closing it closing the
gate when you are no longer operating. So when you close the gate closes?
» Well, listen. >> Would I be able to leave it open if a
snowstorm was coming and needed to be plowed?
» Well, whoever's controlling your security won't have the ability to open
it for the snow plows. >> I I hope so. I'm still working on that.
» We could address that in the operations and maintenance plan.
» Describe how that >> Okay. I think it's a the sense of the
board that they would like to make sure that it's if you're not there, the gate
should be closed. If somebody is there plowing for you, then uh obviously that
would be understood. >> I I think it's safe to assume that the
site is unattended, the gates would be closed.
» Pardon me. >> If the site is unattended, the gates
would be closed. >> Good.
» I'm sorry. >> Do you have anything further?
just that you'd agree to if there are any dump goods, a prompt removal of
those goods. >> So, for example, somebody dumps
something that you don't feel like it's going to be suitable for whatever you're
you're doing with these >> products. Um, you know, it wouldn't just
lay around.
» We would agree to that. >> People People don't come and dump stuff.
That's the whole point is that it's an appointment based thing. So if something
is not approved, it would not be left there.
» I mean, I could see somebody throwing a couch over the fence. I mean, you know,
this is >> I mean, if they're going to throw it
over that fence, they'll throw it over any fence, wouldn't they?
» But this is the implication is that they think they're donating.
» Okay. >> So, if you could just agree to it.
» Yes. >> Okay.
» Yeah. And you can figure out what you're going to do with all those mattresses
and box springs that are be coming over the fence because I'm sure it's going to
happen. >> [clears throat]
» I think also um for 20 247 point of contact if you're not open on Sunday,
Monday,
Thursday, someone has to be going by there to make
sure that there is nothing that is being dumped.
» We can provide that in the operations and management narrative.
Okay. And you also will have to be taking care of some some grass, some
landscaping. You think you have a bush on the corner or something and you have
grass around the around the perimeter on the other side of the sidewalk. So, you
need somebody that will be taking care of that.
» Yes.
that will go into your operation and maintenance plan.
» Yes.
» I have a question about the uh appointment system. Is it done online or
by telephone? >> I uh just got a website up and going and
I'm going to provide an online portal. Um I don't know when that'll open up.
Until then, it will be by telephone, by phone number that is for the store.
» Okay. So you'll be able to track essentially have a log of who's making
appointments and you know I guess it would be a way to help not have the
issue of people dumping stuff or being at least you'll know who's responsible
if you're tracking keeping an appointment tracker so to speak because
I think again back to their point people may just dump stuff anyway.
So suggestion I guess would be uh once you
get that portal up and running um make sure you're able to or at least try to
to be able to track who these appointments are. Um that way maybe you
can look back and see >> the the appointments would not be
anonymous appointments. There would be a name attached to them and we're
currently using Oasis insight for that. >> Got it. Okay. Yeah, that's my point.
Thank you. Could you I think you've told us this
before, but could you just refresh my recollection, what are your days of
operation and your hour anticipated hours of operation?
» Tuesday and Wednesday, Friday and Saturday
for customers and donations will be open from 9:00
a.m. to 3 p.m. >> And how will your um donors know that
you're accepting donations? >> Because they'll make an appointment.
Well, how will they know to make an appointment? Are you going to promote
this to the public in some way? I don't >> Um, I don't foresee having to advertise
this. A word will get out and we'll probably put it on our website. A phone
number will be attached or an email and things are going to evolve because the
website's brand new. >> Okay. Thank you.
Do you expect that when you do open for the first day, you probably would be
fully stocked by then or have lots? >> I um suspect
that no, probably not. It will probably be half to 3/4 stocked.
» Other questions? Um I I think you had said before that whatever they bring in
and you do not accept as a donation that person is responsible for taking it back
home with them. Are you going to allow them to dump it?
» Um I will not be allowing people to dump. It will be a pre-con conversation
of donation that they will understand what is not accepted will leave with
them and donations will be accepted upon inspection.
» Thank you.
» Anything further? No further questions. Any further
discussion? Is there a motion?
I make a motion to approve this project. >> Is there a second?
» Um, we're making a motion to approve this project along with the stipulation
that they have to have an operation and maintenance agreement.
» Yes, I think the the motion would be to approve this project subject to all of
the conditions that they've agreed to here this evening, uh, including the
submission of an operation and and management plan uh, to the city. Is
there able to you motion? >> Yes.
» Yes. >> Second.
» Second. >> Discussion. All in favor say I.
» I. >> Oppose say no. The motion carries
unanimously. Good luck.
» Thank you.
» Under new business. PLB 2026 0056 100 Gillette Avenue. Is the applicant
present or representative? Would you come down please and uh tell us about
this?
» Well, how about
» Hi. Hi. >> Hello. So, I I just have a large um lot
of land and I wanted to subdivide about a half acre.
» Could you give us your name and address for the applica for the uh record,
please? >> Ava Fain's and it's 100 Gillette Avenue
here in Troy. >> Okay. Thank you. Go ahead. Is that
That's it. >> That's it.
» Okay. All right. Uh well, unless the board has any preliminary questions,
we'll see if there's any public comment. Anybody? Anybody ever have a question?
» We have to see. >> Yeah. What was Before we started
talking, you were saying what you wanted to do with this land or
» I just want to subdivide and sell off that second lot.
» So, have you already done a survey showing us what
» I have the survey and I I do want to make sure I I gave you the right one
when I dropped off the paper. >> This updated.
» This is updated. >> Okay.
Eric, do you have this? >> So,
» okay. >> But as far as
» I know you were looking for some utilities.
» Could you speak closer to the mic, please?
» I'm sorry. So, um, >> you can take it off there or pull it
closer to you. >> Um, I spoke with the surveyor because
Eric said he would be able to provide the lines, the water lines and the waist
lines. He said, "As a surveyor, I can only survey what I see." He said that if
you will have maps, he'll add it to the survey, but other than that, he doesn't
know where those lines are. He did mark on the survey where the water is and
where the waste cap is. So, I don't know where those maps are. I looked online
myself. There is none utility maps as far as those lines.
Yeah. >> You You're not going to develop this
second lot yourself? >> Not at all.
» You're planning to sell it? >> Yes.
Just just so surveyors will often locate and and place approximate lines
on plans using numerous you know things such as contacting the city asking us
for what information we have uh contacting other utility agencies such
as Verizon or Spectrum or National Grid >> existing existing util For existing
utilities, they'll they'll use various uh manners to approximate the lines,
which again, one of the primary ones is reaching out to the city and asking for
or >> information. But of course, they can
also look at uh structures that are visible during the surveys. You know,
» almost any line has cleanouts, valves, manholes, catch basins to help ident,
you know, they usually in a in a straight line between the two, right?
You would think the city could provide locations for the sewer and the water.
» Yeah, but usually the surveyor reaches out and asks us so they can actually
place it um not to them >> even. So like uh the surveyor a survey
is going to have a stamp to it. So putting you know that stamp on that
paper with the location of those utilities in concert with one another.
That would be something that would >> I mean as far as the homeowner being
able to where the so the surveyor being able to locate where the I mean
who does the >> Yeah. I wouldn't put on a homeowner.
» No, I'm just saying. You know what I mean? Who's the surveyor's job to
contact a city to get a location? >> Yeah. Yeah. The survey is going to use
multiple layers in order to create like a final product. Um, maybe this one's
just not familiar, but >> Troy actually gave me this surveyor. He
came from he was came from Troy because originally I was going to do an ADU, so
he was >> excellent.
» Given to me. Um, I also understand that the um the zoning was was not correct,
the zoning regulations, but um I did look on the site and it's the the oldest
one is or the newest one is for 2023. So, is that the most recent regulations
you want on the survey? >> Yeah, I think the original uh some of
the original paperwork just had information from our old zoning code.
» Okay. So, the I can tell them the 2023 is the accurate one. Yes. Okay.
» Our questions? No, I don't
have any questions for me. No.
» Um, for the record, uh, this updated survey differs slightly from the one
that was previously provided. Um, >> it's a it's a little less.
» Specifically, the square footage >> is about uh 1,00
uh
oh, right off the top of my head, um, >> 1600 feet, 1600 square feet.
» It still produces a conforming lot. It does.
» Even with >> I'm sorry.
» Even with
» the the the the question I think that also needs to be investigated is the
survey shows the existing home to be on a septic system. And while the proposed
lot number two may be a conforming lot under the zoning code, um I think it's
still important for the applicant to show if there is not sewer service
available to that lot and there may be sewer service available. We don't know
because the utilities aren't shown, then it should show a building envelope with
a septic system in place to make sure that it remains a conforming lot.
Sometimes the the size of a septic system and and the leech field renders
an otherwise conforming lot non-conforming because you can't build
the house and the septic. So also another reason why you should seek
confirmation on whether or not where the sewer lines are and whether or not this
proposed lot would be served by sewer. It would be because when I originally
was doing the ADU, um the they came down and they did say
that air because that's where I was going to put the ADU on that second lot
and they said it it is accessible to the sewer system.
» Then I guess that's great news because if your surveyor contacts that
department, he'll receive the same information.
» All right. So I, you know, I I'm like in the middle with him because, you know, I
don't I've never done this and I'm only saying what he said. He only does what's
on the visible and >> Yeah. So I think that, you know, that
[clears throat] would be in your interest to to get that updated,
» right? So So I'm you're you're telling me I I need to tell Mr. Haley to contact
the city. >> You know, Mr. Rick's point is is that
let's say it was not accessible by uh city water and sewer, right?
» And you did have to have a septic, but your soils are no good anywhere on the
20,000 square foot lot. >> Um that would turn into a non-conforming
lot. >> Correct.
» So, we need to, you know, we need to need to make sure that we see that and
it goes into the file with Eric and and then the next meeting when Eric says,
"Oh, yeah, we've got that." And >> all right. So, I I need to know what to
do next. >> Yeah. because obviously he's not
» basically you need your utility overlays on your existing subdivision map.
» Yeah, I'm I'm surpris I mean a utility survey is one of the basic things off of
a surveyor's menu. I I don't know if there's a miscommunication
um at some point because yeah, I think any registered land surveyor knows
» he's done this better than I would even know it honestly.
just a map, but it's not stamped either. So, like when he goes to file a stamped
plan, >> right, right,
» those overlays need to be on it. So, utility overlays.
» Okay. >> And again, they're not going to be
exact, but there's there's certainly a way to do a
» first of what's out there subdivision
conforming. Hold on. And if he if he notes on the survey
that's based upon information provided by others, i.e. the city, that's
acceptable as well. Sure. >> Okay.
» Okay. So, should we >> Okay.
Maybe just stand by. We'll see if any member of the public wants to speak on
this. Is there anyone here to speak on this application?
Yeah. Uh, we're not getting that on the record.
So, and I couldn't hear you either anyway. So, do you want to do you want
to come down and speak? Yeah.
» My name is Kevin Fantenber. I live 439th Avenue in North Troy. I can give you
some names and numbers people that will >> get you straightened out because this I
my lack of [laughter]
» this poor surveyor is going to bad name and that's [laughter]
» sure it's a miscommunication. >> All right. Anybody else want to speak?
Okay. Uh we need to do lead agency. >> It's unlisted.
» It's it's an unlisted action. Uh you can pass a resolution adopting the
recommendation of staff that it be unlisted and you can
» so no need >> schedule a public hearing. Uh the
application is complete. >> Okay. So we entertain a motion to
declare uh accept staff finding that it is an unlisted action.
» I second >> motion.
» You just made it. I'll make a motion to declare it as an unlisted action under
secret. >> Second.
» Second >> discussion. All in favor say I.
» I. >> Say no.
» And the motion carries unanimously. >> Do you think you you'd be able to
accomplish this by the next meeting for the new survey?
» Um I will call him tomorrow. >> Okay.
» So do we schedule a hearing? Are are you going to take an action on uh the
» the unlisted action >> like a determination declaration
» application completeness? >> Uh no negative declaration there.
» You you may want to hold off until you receive the utility information because
that may change your opinion. >> The soils are no good.
» No, but there we are. So,
» so can we we can determine the application complete. Can we not?
» Absolutely. >> Motion make a motion to determine that
the application is complete. >> I second.
» Discussion. All in favor say I. >> I. Oppose say no.
» And the motion carries unanimously. Next up is to schedule public hearing.
Is that correct? >> Yes. Um I'll make a motion that we
schedule the uh public hearing for September 15th. I would I would probably
just not sure how readily available uh surveyor is to update everything by
Monday, but Monday is the cut off for September. So I I
probably would would think that October is more likely when it's
» October just say you could schedule September. They
can always or >> it can always show next
» or use the language of when the applicant is ready to return or
something of that nature. Okay. Well, it's up to you. But
» well, we can make a motion to set the public hearing for September 15th. And
if the information is not in by Monday, you will have to go the following month.
Okay. >> And you can just call us and let us know
that it's not available, we'll schedule you for October.
» Okay. >> Good.
» Second. >> I'll second. Discussion.
» All in favor say I. >> Post say no.
» Motion carries unanimously. So to so to have by Monday the rev
revised um so one copy >> the yeah submission requirements for
September due Monday. Um I mean if the surveyor is able if the surveyor is able
to get it then he could just email it to us and that would be that would be
» stamp. >> Okay. Yeah
» that would be sufficient. So, um, have a talk with them and, um, if it doesn't
work out, we'll have you on for October. >> All right. Very good. And then could I
ask you a question about the soil to make it which would make it
non-conforming? What do I What how does that apply to me?
» No. No. Soil soil wouldn't factor. >> So, so it's not something you have to
worry about for the subdivision. Um, but you do have to worry and again this all
depends upon whether or not there's sewer access and you indicated that
there may be. So, this is a non-issue. >> But because your property is showing as
being on septic, >> if the second lot has to be on septic,
then the soils have to be conducive to allowing a septic system and be approved
by the county department of health. >> Okay?
» But that would be subsequent to the subdivision.
» Okay? And there would have to be enough room
for both the house and the septic system lot. Is is your current septic system
all on the what will remain as your lot? >> Yes, it's um north of my house. So the
second lot is on the other side of the house.
» Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you.
» Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you so much.
» Thank you. Next item, uh, PLPB 2026006475
Water Plant Road.
» Good evening, chair and members of the board. My name is Rob Goldman. I'm chief
operating officer for New York State Marine Highway Transportation Company.
Um, thank you for the opportunity to present this application. 75 Water Plant
Road. By way of background, New York State Marine Highway Transportation is a
Troybased marine transportation company founded in 2004. Our business offices
are located at 427 River Street. Our maintenance yard and dispatch operations
are at 391 Second Avenue. The proposed facility at 75 Water Plant would be
supplemental, not replace these locations, and it would be used to
provide warehouse space for our marine equipment, parts, and supplies along
with limited secure crew parking. project is low impact use of an existing
building and developed site. No building expansion, major exterior alteration or
significant site development is proposed. Existing footprint and
circulation pattern remain unchanged. Pros warehouse use is compatible with
the immediate area except for the residents across the street. Properties
along water plant road are commercial and municipal.
Um we note we realize that a use variance is required. The ZBA review is
scheduled for September 2nd next meeting.
No new parking spaces or seg grading are proposed. The building will be used
primary for storage and not regularly occupied employees. Any limited secure
crew parking will be used existing developed areas. Um on my site plan, I
showed a security gate, but we have not yet finalized location design. We've
only actually been to the site a couple times. We don't we do not own the site
yet. Um proposed signage would be replace
existing Shriner sign with New York State Marine Highway sign subject to
required permits and approvals. uh that is detailed on the um site plan.
No new lighting is or landscape is proposed and no bulk liquid storage is
proposed also. In summary, the project reactivate an existing building and
property without expanding the develop footprint. It supports an established
Troy business while avoiding impacts of new construction. We respectfully ask
the board to advance the site plan application subject to required use
variance. Thank you for your consideration. We're prepared to answer
any questions. Any
preliminary questions, board? >> Yeah. Um, so
you say you're going to put a security gate across with just the driveway
» potentially. >> So there's no no fenced in area, no
secure area. So that being said, you don't plan on doing any outside storage,
no equipment, no strictly for parking. That's it.
» Correct. The reason is our at our 391 location, we've had employee vehicles
stolen and trailers stolen. We need to find something a little more secure.
» So everything will be in inside the building itself.
» Mostly except for we have crew change every other week. There are vehicles
maybe five vehicles would get parked up there. Got
» so no conex boxes. No >> at this time. No.
» Have you uh applied for your variance yet? It's on the next meeting. We apply.
Yes. Yes. >> Correct.
» Yeah. I see it's existing zoning is parks and conservation.
» Doesn't make much sense. >> Right.
» Yeah. >> I've been on that road.
» Everything on the >> There are some geese up there. So,
» yes. Yeah. >> But everything in the lo in the is
either municipal or business industrial. >> Yeah. Everything else, right?
» Yeah.
We don't have the bouncy bounce.
» So are you're not going to store it's mainly for storage for the things that
you use on your tugboats, right? >> Paper towels.
» Store paper towels. >> Yeah. Uh engine parts,
» right?
So looking at the letter uh from DPU
requesting a spill prevention plan. Have you discussed that with them?
» We have >> or anybody?
» We have in place all kinds of we work on the water. We have all kinds of spill
plans already. Um but nothing's really there's
no bulk uh petroleum products being stored here.
No different than a a car, you know, vehicles.
» We have hydraulic equipment on the site. >> No,
forklift would be indoors, I guess. >> What if we have a forklift?
So basically you're saying no outdoor storage of equipment, materials,
containers, trailers might have vessels, >> trailers definitely.
» What What do you mean? >> A flatbed trailer, equipment trailer,
» with a motor or >> we have a we have a two axle trailer.
We have a um a empty boat trailer maybe would be there from time to time.
Any
questions?
Well, let's see if the if there's any public comment here, I guess.
» Anybody want to comment? Yes. Come on down. Come
» again. My My name is Kevin Vandenberg. I live at 439th Avenue, North Troy.
I certainly am not against this project and I don't want to stand in the way of
anybody running the business, but we all know how these things take a life of
their own on it on the exterior. I already heard him say tonight that not
at this time when he's talking about conics, trailer storage outside,
we're talking about a forklift now. I don't believe there's a garage door on
the building, is there? So, you're going to drive a forklift
through a doorway. >> Okay.
» Door. >> So, I'm more I This is a gateway to the
city as far as I'm concerned. It's an entrance point at the north at the
furthest north end and probably has one of the nicest views. I think I'm the
only guy in Troy that builds houses in North Troy and I still try to want to
see North Troy survive. I think there's a lot of missing details on the exterior
of what they're going what their intentions are to use the exterior for.
The next thing you know, a ConX trailer shows up. Then another one shows up.
Then we're putting a roof over the two of them and storing stuff inside. We're
stacking stuff on top of things. I think there needs to be a lot more
detail about what's going to happen outside this this place and how we're
going to handle everything outside. We're already talking about two trailers
that that they mentioned nothing in the in the report on that. The exterior, all
they're going to do is take one sign down and put a put a gate up and they
add an EV charging station. I I I just coming down. There's already a guy
across the street from here that's running a masonry business out of it.
It's a mess. It is an industrial spot, but there are residences across the
street. I just want to see more
feet to the fire on what's going to happen exterior. And if there's going to
be things like that, there should be screening. There should be a lot a lot
of things. There shouldn't be 55gallon drums outside or anything like that. You
know, it should be it should be clearly defined what their anticipation is.
» Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you, Kevin. Thank you.
» Is there anyone else to speak?
» Anyone else to speak? >> Comment on what I'm just saying?
» All right. So, you want to respond to any of that, sir?
» Um, trailers are mobile. It's a two axle trailer that we use to remove, say, we
have a propeller, it's got to go to Manhattan or New Jersey for repair. We
put it on the trailer and it goes. We don't store any barrels like that at
this location. We're not proposing to um it's f it's I don't know it's like 5,000
foot building. There's no reason to put anything outside like that.
» What is is this to the to the north? Um so here's your site. Can what is the
facility to the just to the north? What is that?
» City. >> Is that the water
» over here? >> Yes.
» Yes. >> That's the water part of the water
plant. >> Yeah. DPU land. All the buildings along
here are either the water plant or Time Warner has a facility,
» right? Time Warner, right? >> And we spoke to the woman that has
» Can you can you talk to the mic, please? >> Um, I believe it's the one directly
across the street we spoke to. We also spoke to Gordy Hughes. He has was in
favor of the project also. >> Okay. The one across the street is that
Kasowski? >> I don't I don't remember her name.
» Any other questions? >> So, I mean like uh to Rob references the
indoor storage and and crew parking on the application. Can the uh can Rob
confirm can you confirm for the record that no outdoor storage contractor yard
container storage equipment layown area or marine equipment staging area is
proposed as part of this application. >> I can confirm that we'll have vehicles
and trailers. I'm not sure how they fit into those definitions.
» We own two trailers. One is a boat trailer and one is a two axle flatbed
trailer. Well, I mean that's mobile equipment.
So, >> yeah, but it's not fuel oil or grease or
there's no no moving parts that going to spill or
» he's trying to define the scope of approval so we don't have any issues
going forward. You know what I mean?
May I say something? >> I'm on Zoom.
» Oh, hello. Uh, >> yeah. Yes, Deborah, go ahead. Sorry, I
didn't see your hand raised. >> Please identify yourself first, please.
And your >> Sure. My name is Deborah Spence and I
live right on Second Avenue and I agree with the gentleman. and I think his
name's Kevin Vandenberg that everything should be
really detailed on the plan or at least as Kevin was saying there should be some
definitive because some of the answers didn't seem definitive to me and when I
passed by that location their location on Second Avenue I still see equipment
outside that I thought was supposed to be behind the barrier
» as as opposed to on the side where we all can see it on Second Avenue. So
I agree with the the Troy resident as well, Kevin, when he was saying it
should be truly clarifi clarified so there aren't any issues going forward if
it were to be approved. Thank you. >> Thank you.
» Welcome. Anything
further from the board? >> Chris, do you have any issues with?
» Yeah, I mean I think addressing the uh spill
prevention plan is appropriate. whether you know quite frankly I I don't
know the level of uh documentation or what needs to be done to address
something when your site is upstream of a water treatment plant. Believe they're
like directly upstream of the lagoons where I think DPU uses that that's like
the discharge of when they're treating the water. So, but it's monitored by DEC
and all that because it's a discharge. So that should at least be addressed uh
yeah through a spill prevention report which maybe is something that could be
pretty simple honestly if it's if it's limited to that amount of equipment um
» could be you know points of contact and who to call if uh there is a spill and
having you know absorbent or cleanup materials on site or something of that
nature but I'd like yeah I'd like to at least see it addressed or responded too.
» Well, the I mean the applicant saying that he's not going to store any kind of
hazardous chemicals there whether it be I don't know
whatever if I could respond to that we'll be
happy to provide what you're asking for. >> Thank you.
» I already have it in place.
» Did Did you see the staff recommendations
in this in the report? Do you have issue with any of those?
» Yeah, the parking lot condition. We're not even sure we're going to use the
parking lot. >> I'm sorry.
» The parking lot condition. We don't plan on repaving the parking lot.
Uh the existing parking lot will remain in service with no expansion proposed.
New MS Marine will continue routine maintenance of the property and restripe
faded parking spaces and complete localized repairs or pavement
deterioration affects safe site circulation. Full construction of the
parking lot in the area is not proposed part of this proposal.
» But you would have to provide a snow storage location. Was that
» so bra? We're not really changing anything out, correct? You know, to the
building. There's no modifications to the building. They're not building a new
parking lot. We're not doing any of that. There's no manufacturing
activities. >> Um but the biggest thing is the zoning
change. >> Correct. Um, and then a lot of these
items are, I think, easy for you to comply with at some rights,
» correct? >> Um,
so your schedule? >> Um, well, we have to close on the
building and we're very busy now. We probably wouldn't be occupying it.
» Could you get zoning approval before you close on the building?
» Hopefully. It's the day before it's supposed to close.
» Hopefully. >> All right. So, that's that's where
you're at. >> Yes. And and Jim, we're we've only been
to the site twice. This is an ongoing developing idea.
» Oh, I >> we know we've outgrown our location,
» right? >> I mean, I've known you for a really long
time. You had a couple boats, >> big ones,
» correct? >> Pretty amazing.
» So, so that's where you're at. This is kind
of fast moving, >> correct?
» Um, you're working with Eric. We're going to get the a plan in for the spell
just, you know, >> absolutely. You'll have it tomorrow
» and then uh and then you're uh already in the agenda for ZBA or now.
» Correct. >> You are. Okay.
» For next month for September >> September 2nd.
» September 2nd. I
» I if I may, in relation to your closing date,
you may want to consult with your attorney. I don't represent you. I
represent the board. But there are ramifications
to the use variance test that you have to present to the zoning board
based upon whether or not you are the owner of the property.
So I would urge you to consult with your attorney as to the timing of seeking the
use variance versus closing on the property.
» Our closing is the day after the zoning board of appeals.
» Then that theoretically could work for you. Yes.
» So you when you apply to the zoning board of appeals, you won't be the
owner. Correct. Correct. That makes a a big difference.
» Yes. Understood. >> Okay.
» Great. You're you're already on top of it. Excellent.
» Anything further? >> No.
» So, uh, we have a motion accepting recognizing
this as unlisted action. I'd like to make a motion to declare this an
unlisted action under seeker. >> A second.
» Discussion. All in favor say I. I. >> Post say no. And the motion carries
unanimously.
Um I don't think there's any other action. Is that correct? Till after the
zone, >> right, he's got to go to ZBA. So
um you know I don't know if we could say the application is complete with with
that. >> I think uh
» that's an unknown. I
» think that the engineer do you want to hold off on that
» or should we make a recommendation to the ZBA? I mean
» your pleasure. So, in terms of determining the
application complete, um that that's a a paperwork review
process, not do you have all your variances in place. Um but we do have a
request from the city engineer for the spill prevention plan. Yeah.
» Which the applicant has said that he'll provide.
» Um to my mind, I don't think the application would be complete if we have
the city engineers office requesting additional information and you don't
have it yet. >> I see. So, kind of hyper technicality,
but I I I would think you don't you'd want to hold off on declaring it
complete until that spill prevention plan is provided.
» Okay. >> So, is there any other [clears throat]
action on this application at this time? I think not. So, we'll see you back next
time. >> Thank you very much for your time.
Appreciate it.
» Is there any other business to come before the planning board?
If not, we'd entertain a motion to adjurnn.
» Make a motion to adjurnn. This >> second
» discussion. All in favor say I. >> Post say no.
» Motion carries. Uh the meeting's adjourned. Thank you folks.
That's