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August meeting of the uh Tory plane
board will come to order. Would you

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please stand? And uh Tony, will you lead
us in the pledge, please?

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» Sure.

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To the flag, United States of America
and to the republic for which it stands.

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One nation under God, indivisible, with
liberty and justice for all.

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We'll call the role here. Member Scully
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» Member Dickinson
>> present.

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» Member Shufeld
>> present.

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» Member York
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» Um member Kho. All board members
present. Uh we have a quorum of course.

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So, the first order of business would be
to adopt the meeting minutes from the

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previous meeting, the June meeting of
the board. Is there a motion? Has

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everyone had an opportunity to see them,
review them?

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» Yes.
>> Is there a motion?

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» Yes. I make a motion that we adopt the
uh meeting minutes from

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» June
>> 16 was it?

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» I second.
>> Discussion. All in favor say I.

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» I.
>> Post say no. And the motion carries

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unanimously. Thank you.
>> For those of you who are here for the u

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Lancingberg Gateway project, it's not on
the agenda tonight. It's been removed, I

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believe, at the request of the
applicant. Is there anybody who was here

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for that? If so, we're not will we will
not be addressing that at all tonight.

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Well, the first item uh we will consider
is uh PLB 202600485

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Earl Street.

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do this. Come back.
>> Hi, how are you folks?

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» No, it's on the bottom.

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[clears throat]
>> Good evening everyone. My name is

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Courtney Davis. I'm a civil engineer
with Labella Associates. I'm joined

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tonight by Kristen KG with Unity House
of Troy and we're here tonight to

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continue our discussion of the proposed
lot line adjustment between Unity houses

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185 rail street and 2428 Fth Avenue
parcels. So since we were last here,

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nothing has changed planetrically with
proposed lot line adjustment, but we did

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go before the zoning board and we were
able to obtain the three necessary

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variances for the project. So on our
end, those are the only updates we

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really have. So we'll turn it back over
to you all for discussion, questions,

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and comments. Okay, thank you.
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» So, we have a public hearing, I think.
Do you have any questions before we have

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public hearing?
>> I do not.

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» Defer. Okay. All right. So, thank you.
You can have a seat. We'll see if

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there's any member of the public who
wants to comment on this and is there

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anyone here to comment on this
application?

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If not, we'll close the public hearing
and uh Zoom.

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» Pardon me.
>> Zoom.

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» On Zoom.
>> No. Okay.

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» And open it up to board questions and
discussion. So, you may want to come

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back up. We may have some questions. I'm
not sure. Sorry about that. But you

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exercise is good.
Uh, any questions?

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» Well,
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» stay right there.
>> Sorry about that. Okay. Uh, all no

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questions. All right. Then we'll
entertain a motion. Is there

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» go ahead motion?
>> Motion to approve the application.

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» I'd like to make a motion to approve
this application.

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» I second.
>> Any discussion?

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» I would just like to um wish you good
luck with your two nuns and a frier.

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» Thank you.
>> Great. Thank you all.

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» Good luck.
>> Thank you.

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» Good luck. So, we'll take all in favor
uh please say I. I.

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» Any oppose say no. And motion carries
unanimously. Now, good luck.

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» The next item is uh
Andrew uh bricks going to

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» Sure. Hi. Good good evening. Um a couple
administrative items uh that um I've

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been working on since since I came back
on board and it's great to be back. Very

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excited to be here. Thank you for having
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» Welcome. Happy to have you. Thank you.
Um the first is there was an extens

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there was a request for an extension of
time for a pending application uh for PL

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PB 20260023.
It's 1584th Street. It's pork store. Um

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I believe they're waiting on
archaeology. Um and and so they just

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requested additional time before they
time lapsed. Um and they had made that

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request for last month's meeting which
was uh postponed. So, um, they'd be

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seeking a a resolution from you to grant
them a six-month extension.

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» Right. Is there a motion to that effect?
>> I make a motion that we give them their

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six months extension. The park's
>> discussion. All in favor say I.

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» Oppose say no.
>> And the motion carries unanimously.

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» Cool. And and then the second item um is
relates to Eddie's Lane apartment

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project which you approved in, I
believe, late 2025. Mhm.

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» Um they are currently uh applying for
benefits to the city IDA and part of the

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city IDA application process is uh them
providing an a fully completed

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environmental assessment form. Um when
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that technically when you approved that
project, you never approved a secret NEG

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deck resolution. Um, clearly if you
approve a project, you you meant the NE

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deck. There's there's no question. And
all they need is the form completed and

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signed by city staff. So, I just wanted
to confirm with all of you that your

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intention at the time was to neg it and
then we can have Eric sign it and

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provide it to them so they can move
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» So, Andy, do we need a motion to that or
just authorization for? to do it as

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motion, but if we have conf and and
that's probably more formal confirmation

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uh and that way if they have any
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resolution. So yeah, a motion resolution
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uh signed by uh Eric. Correct.
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authorize Eric as the city planner to
sign the environmental assessment form

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for the Eddie Lane project. I'd like to
make a motion to authorize Eric, our

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city planner, to sign the seeker form
for Eddie's Lane, the Eddie's Lane

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project.
>> I second.

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» Discussion.
>> All in favor say I.

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» Oppose say no.
>> And the motion carries unanimously.

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» Great. Thank you.

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» How did we miss that?
Next item is PLPB 202260049

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272 Kuzix Street. Are the applicants
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» Hello.
>> My name is Adam Patella. I'm an

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architect and one of the design
professionals for this project. Uh the

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freetore project on Husk Street, if you
recall, is uh a redevelopment of the

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former Wraid site on the corner of Bdett
and Husk Street. Um, we presented last

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at the June meeting. Excuse me.
There we go. At the June meeting, uh,

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most of the discussion then was about
kind of the operations and the nature of

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the project itself. Uh, the
ver, uh, excuse me, the majority of kind

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of public comments and comments from you
guys, uh, circled around preventing site

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access during close of business hours,
uh, to prevent people from leaving

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unwanted items and things like that on
site. Uh as such we responded by

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providing a retractable gate along the
um Berdett Street entrance and after

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speaking with the fire department uh
they noted that in the event of an

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emergency they would only use the
Berdett entrance. So uh to close off the

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Hoosi street entrance there'd be a fence
would be put across the Hoosi street

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entrance instead of um we had offered
retractable ballards and things like

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that but the fire department did not
want those to be installed. So we'd be

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providing a fence over there. Did you
say then you're just going to close it

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off completely?
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Um the the amount of traffic is not we
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there were another there were a number
of other items and the staff

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recommendations that were addressed on
the site plan. Uh this included um

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excuse me
this included uh adding bike uh bike

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racks. Um there was a discussion about
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deliveries and when those are happening
during our previous discussions. So we

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took care of that. Uh we provided an
updated complete streets form. Um I

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discussed the nature of the BDET
entrance as well. We revised and

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provided sto uh excuse me snow storage
locations. Um, we also had an extensive

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discussion about the logistics behind
um, unwanted items being disposed and

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how there's kind of someone that will
always be managing what is dropped off

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through appointments and things like
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um, large items that would not be able
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of a traditional dumpster. So, no like
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That was a previous concern. So, we
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Um we also discussed the gate. Uh there
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parking lot redevelopment that we sought
area variances for. One was uh providing

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the required number of shade trees on
the site and the other one was related

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to pedestrian circulation in the form of
extending the sidewalk um across the

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berdett street entrance. At last month's
ZBA, we presented our case and they

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granted us area variances for um I
believe it's four shade trees and

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appropriate kind of landscape islands in
the parking lot instead of the required

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10 trees. And uh we're going to be we
got a variance to do striping across the

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Bdett Street entrance instead of
building a new sidewalk there. Um both

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of those were related to kind of just
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Um there was another note about security
cameras. Security cameras are noted on

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the site plan as well to be installed.
>> Well, I'm sorry. Security cameras, what?

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» They they're noted on the site plan to
be installed just kind of as normal

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operation.
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the staff comments for tonight's
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kind of actionable items on our part. Um
just notes about the variances that

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we've previously received

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and that's all.
>> Great. Thank you. Got to clarify. Uh,

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drop off is going to be by appointment
only. Is that correct? Drop off of items

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for sale. Yes. For the store. And is
pickup

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» Well, shopping is also an appointment
related kind of uh thing. So, you you

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show up, you sign in, you do your
shopping, and then you you sign out.

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» But do they do they make an appointment
before they show up to sign up? Yes.

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» Sign in.

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» Questions. And what was your days of
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Friday, Saturday. Was that

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» um And during Well, when you're closed,
uh you're going to have a gate that goes

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across the the entrance and be locked.
Yeah, the gate would be um

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locked in such a way that in the event
of an emergency would be able to be

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opened by the fire department, but yeah,
it would be closed off so someone can't

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just drive a truck in and dump a bunch
of stuff, which

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» seemed to be the biggest um
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» And the entire perimeter is going to be
basically fenced when the gates close.

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» Correct. There's already an existing
fence around access though.

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Oh, and uh we're requesting a
three-month window to install these

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different kind of uh infrastructure
pieces um such as the gates and um the

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the parking improvements as well as part
of our uh as a condition of approval for

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from this case. Maybe you can just
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gates, uh we estimate it'll take about 3
months to get the gates installed. So we

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would secure it with a chain initially
subject to the obligation to get the

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gate operational within 3 months. That
was reflected on the site plan that went

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in last month.

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» Do I understand also that your um
dumpster is going to be in the far

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souththeast corner of your parking? Is
that where I saw it? And is that also

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going to be fenced and locked?
>> Uh yep. So, we've got a note to replace

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andor restore the existing dumpster
corral. So, um the dumpster corral would

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have uh you know a chain link fence with
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» Okay. And your security cameras will be
poised on those too so that we can see

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the whole
sidewalks, driveways,

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parking area.
>> Yes. Okay.

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» Other questions?
Okay, thank you. We'll see what the

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public has to say. Thank you.
Any member of the public here to speak

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on this application?

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» Okay.
>> Anybody?

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» No one online, right? Eric and Zoom.
>> Yeah. Okay. All right. All right, then

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we'll close the public hearing and we'll
open it up again for public for board

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comment question.
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» this question.
>> Uh, have you looked into the trespass

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affidavit program?
One thing you want to make sure is

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Berdetta Avenue is known for a great
university. Uh, in May, people leave

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that great university and tend to get
rid of the stuff. Um, so you know,

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without us incurring more costs to the
city to look at your property, have you

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looked into this program
>> at all?

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» No.

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» Might be something that you might want
to look into. If the [clears throat]

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community police are there or whatever
could be called or happen to be going

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by, they would have the authority to
deal with whatever trespassers or

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you have might be something. You know,
you can coordinate it with a community

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police if you wanted to.
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» Um, we also [clears throat] would like
to suggest an operation and maintenance

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plan for the site.
um like to know uh provide 247 point of

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contact

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in case anything goes wrong, somebody
needs to be called.

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Um
are you going to have an alarm system on

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your building?
Will there be an alarm system in the

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doors or windows or anything?

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Would

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you identify yourself please for the
record?

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» Sarah Brillier. Um, we're working with
Alex Security right now to come up with

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a good system.
>> Alarm system.

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» Yes. And and camera system is going to
be tied in with that also. And also the

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gate system will probably be tied in
with the alarm system and the camera

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system.
>> That's great.

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» Thank you.
So, would you agree to some of the

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following conditions if we were to
approve tonight? Uh, no outdoor goods

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displays.
>> Yes. Is that a yes?

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» Yes.
>> No outdoor storage of goods?

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» No. None.
>> Gates closed the night to prevent

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dumping.
>> Yes.

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That would would that be um anytime that
you're not open the gates will be

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closed. Is that correct? Locked. Anytime
you're not open for business, the gates

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will be closed.
>> Um

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» yeah. Yes.
>> The the distinction is theoretically in

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the winter you may be open at night, but
the gate would need to be open if you're

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open. So rather than tying closing the
gate at night, closing it closing the

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gate when you are no longer operating.
So when you close the gate closes?

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» Well, listen.
>> Would I be able to leave it open if a

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snowstorm was coming and needed to be
plowed?

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» Well, whoever's controlling your
security won't have the ability to open

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it for the snow plows.
>> I I hope so. I'm still working on that.

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» We could address that in the operations
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» Describe how that
>> Okay. I think it's a the sense of the

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board that they would like to make sure
that it's if you're not there, the gate

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should be closed. If somebody is there
plowing for you, then uh obviously that

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would be understood.
>> I I think it's safe to assume that the

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site is unattended, the gates would be
closed.

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» Pardon me.
>> If the site is unattended, the gates

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would be closed.
>> Good.

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» I'm sorry.
>> Do you have anything further?

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just that you'd agree to if there are
any dump goods, a prompt removal of

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those goods.
>> So, for example, somebody dumps

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something that you don't feel like it's
going to be suitable for whatever you're

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you're doing with these
>> products. Um, you know, it wouldn't just

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lay around.

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» We would agree to that.
>> People People don't come and dump stuff.

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That's the whole point is that it's an
appointment based thing. So if something

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is not approved, it would not be left
there.

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» I mean, I could see somebody throwing a
couch over the fence. I mean, you know,

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this is
>> I mean, if they're going to throw it

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over that fence, they'll throw it over
any fence, wouldn't they?

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» But this is the implication is that they
think they're donating.

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» Okay.
>> So, if you could just agree to it.

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» Yes.
>> Okay.

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» Yeah. And you can figure out what you're
going to do with all those mattresses

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and box springs that are be coming over
the fence because I'm sure it's going to

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happen.
>> [clears throat]

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» I think also um for 20 247 point of
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Monday,

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Thursday,
someone has to be going by there to make

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sure that there is nothing that is being
dumped.

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» We can provide that in the operations
and management narrative.

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Okay. And you also will have to be
taking care of some some grass, some

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landscaping. You think you have a bush
on the corner or something and you have

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grass around the around the perimeter on
the other side of the sidewalk. So, you

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need somebody that will be taking care
of that.

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» Yes.

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that will go into your operation and
maintenance plan.

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» Yes.

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» I have a question about the uh
appointment system. Is it done online or

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by telephone?
>> I uh just got a website up and going and

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I'm going to provide an online portal.
Um I don't know when that'll open up.

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Until then, it will be by telephone, by
phone number that is for the store.

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» Okay. So you'll be able to track
essentially have a log of who's making

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appointments and you know I guess it
would be a way to help not have the

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issue of people dumping stuff or being
at least you'll know who's responsible

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if you're tracking keeping an
appointment tracker so to speak because

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I think again back to their point people
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So
suggestion I guess would be uh once you

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get that portal up and running um make
sure you're able to or at least try to

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to be able to track who these
appointments are. Um that way maybe you

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can look back and see
>> the the appointments would not be

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anonymous appointments. There would be a
name attached to them and we're

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currently using Oasis insight for that.
>> Got it. Okay. Yeah, that's my point.

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Thank you.
Could you I think you've told us this

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before, but could you just refresh my
recollection, what are your days of

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operation and your hour anticipated
hours of operation?

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» Tuesday and Wednesday,
Friday and Saturday

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for customers
and donations will be open from 9:00

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a.m. to 3 p.m.
>> And how will your um donors know that

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you're accepting donations?
>> Because they'll make an appointment.

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Well, how will they know to make an
appointment? Are you going to promote

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this to the public in some way? I don't
>> Um, I don't foresee having to advertise

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this. A word will get out and we'll
probably put it on our website. A phone

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number will be attached or an email and
things are going to evolve because the

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website's brand new.
>> Okay. Thank you.

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Do you expect that when you do open for
the first day, you probably would be

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fully stocked by then or have lots?
>> I um suspect

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that no, probably not. It will probably
be half to 3/4 stocked.

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» Other questions? Um I I think you had
said before that whatever they bring in

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and you do not accept as a donation that
person is responsible for taking it back

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home with them. Are you going to allow
them to dump it?

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» Um I will not be allowing people to
dump. It will be a pre-con conversation

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of donation that they will understand
what is not accepted will leave with

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them and donations will be accepted upon
inspection.

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» Thank you.

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» Anything further?
No further questions. Any further

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discussion?
Is there a motion?

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I make a motion to approve this project.
>> Is there a second?

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» Um, we're making a motion to approve
this project along with the stipulation

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that they have to have an operation and
maintenance agreement.

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» Yes, I think the the motion would be to
approve this project subject to all of

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the conditions that they've agreed to
here this evening, uh, including the

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submission of an operation and and
management plan uh, to the city. Is

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there able to you motion?
>> Yes.

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» Yes.
>> Second.

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» Second.
>> Discussion. All in favor say I.

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» I.
>> Oppose say no. The motion carries

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unanimously.
Good luck.

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» Thank you.

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» Under new business. PLB 2026 0056
100 Gillette Avenue. Is the applicant

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present or representative? Would you
come down please and uh tell us about

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this?

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» Well, how about

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» Hi. Hi.
>> Hello. So, I I just have a large um lot

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of land and I wanted to subdivide about
a half acre.

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» Could you give us your name and address
for the applica for the uh record,

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please?
>> Ava Fain's and it's 100 Gillette Avenue

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here in Troy.
>> Okay. Thank you. Go ahead. Is that

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That's it.
>> That's it.

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» Okay. All right. Uh well, unless the
board has any preliminary questions,

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we'll see if there's any public comment.
Anybody? Anybody ever have a question?

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» We have to see.
>> Yeah. What was Before we started

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talking, you were saying what you wanted
to do with this land or

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» I just want to subdivide and sell off
that second lot.

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» So, have you already done a survey
showing us what

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» I have the survey and I I do want to
make sure I I gave you the right one

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when I dropped off the paper.
>> This updated.

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» This is updated.
>> Okay.

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Eric, do you have this?
>> So,

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» okay.
>> But as far as

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» I know you were looking for some
utilities.

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» Could you speak closer to the mic,
please?

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» I'm sorry. So, um,
>> you can take it off there or pull it

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closer to you.
>> Um, I spoke with the surveyor because

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Eric said he would be able to provide
the lines, the water lines and the waist

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lines. He said, "As a surveyor, I can
only survey what I see." He said that if

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you will have maps, he'll add it to the
survey, but other than that, he doesn't

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know where those lines are. He did mark
on the survey where the water is and

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where the waste cap is. So, I don't know
where those maps are. I looked online

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myself. There is none utility maps as
far as those lines.

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Yeah.
>> You You're not going to develop this

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second lot yourself?
>> Not at all.

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» You're planning to sell it?
>> Yes.

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Just just so surveyors will often
locate and and place approximate lines

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on plans using numerous you know things
such as contacting the city asking us

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for what information we have uh
contacting other utility agencies such

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as Verizon or Spectrum or National Grid
>> existing existing util For existing

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utilities, they'll they'll use various
uh manners to approximate the lines,

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which again, one of the primary ones is
reaching out to the city and asking for

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or
>> information. But of course, they can

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also look at uh structures that are
visible during the surveys. You know,

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» almost any line has cleanouts, valves,
manholes, catch basins to help ident,

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you know, they usually in a in a
straight line between the two, right?

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You would think the city could provide
locations for the sewer and the water.

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» Yeah, but usually the surveyor reaches
out and asks us so they can actually

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place it um not to them
>> even. So like uh the surveyor a survey

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is going to have a stamp to it. So
putting you know that stamp on that

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paper with the location of those
utilities in concert with one another.

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That would be something that would
>> I mean as far as the homeowner being

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able to where the so the surveyor
being able to locate where the I mean

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who does the
>> Yeah. I wouldn't put on a homeowner.

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» No, I'm just saying. You know what I
mean? Who's the surveyor's job to

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contact a city to get a location?
>> Yeah. Yeah. The survey is going to use

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multiple layers in order to create like
a final product. Um, maybe this one's

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just not familiar, but
>> Troy actually gave me this surveyor. He

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came from he was came from Troy because
originally I was going to do an ADU, so

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he was
>> excellent.

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» Given to me. Um, I also understand that
the um the zoning was was not correct,

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the zoning regulations, but um I did
look on the site and it's the the oldest

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one is or the newest one is for 2023.
So, is that the most recent regulations

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you want on the survey?
>> Yeah, I think the original uh some of

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the original paperwork just had
information from our old zoning code.

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» Okay. So, the I can tell them the 2023
is the accurate one. Yes. Okay.

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» Our questions?
No, I don't

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have any questions for me.
No.

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» Um, for the record, uh, this updated
survey differs slightly from the one

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that was previously provided. Um,
>> it's a it's a little less.

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» Specifically, the square footage
>> is about uh 1,00

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uh

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oh, right off the top of my head, um,
>> 1600 feet, 1600 square feet.

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» It still produces a conforming lot. It
does.

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» Even with
>> I'm sorry.

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» Even with

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» the the the the question I think that
also needs to be investigated is the

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survey shows the existing home to be on
a septic system. And while the proposed

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lot number two may be a conforming lot
under the zoning code, um I think it's

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still important for the applicant to
show if there is not sewer service

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available to that lot and there may be
sewer service available. We don't know

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because the utilities aren't shown, then
it should show a building envelope with

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a septic system in place to make sure
that it remains a conforming lot.

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Sometimes the the size of a septic
system and and the leech field renders

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an otherwise conforming lot
non-conforming because you can't build

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the house and the septic. So also
another reason why you should seek

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confirmation on whether or not where the
sewer lines are and whether or not this

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proposed lot would be served by sewer.
It would be because when I originally

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was doing the ADU, um the they came down
and they did say

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that air because that's where I was
going to put the ADU on that second lot

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and they said it it is accessible to the
sewer system.

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» Then I guess that's great news because
if your surveyor contacts that

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department, he'll receive the same
information.

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» All right. So I, you know, I I'm like in
the middle with him because, you know, I

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don't I've never done this and I'm only
saying what he said. He only does what's

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on the visible and
>> Yeah. So I think that, you know, that

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[clears throat] would be in your
interest to to get that updated,

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» right? So So I'm you're you're telling
me I I need to tell Mr. Haley to contact

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the city.
>> You know, Mr. Rick's point is is that

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let's say it was not accessible by uh
city water and sewer, right?

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» And you did have to have a septic, but
your soils are no good anywhere on the

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20,000 square foot lot.
>> Um that would turn into a non-conforming

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lot.
>> Correct.

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» So, we need to, you know, we need to
need to make sure that we see that and

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it goes into the file with Eric and and
then the next meeting when Eric says,

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"Oh, yeah, we've got that." And
>> all right. So, I I need to know what to

426
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:17,600
do next.
>> Yeah. because obviously he's not

427
00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:24,720
» basically you need your utility overlays
on your existing subdivision map.

428
00:33:22,159 --> 00:33:30,080
» Yeah, I'm I'm surpris I mean a utility
survey is one of the basic things off of

429
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:35,519
a surveyor's menu. I I don't know if
there's a miscommunication

430
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:40,880
um at some point because yeah, I think
any registered land surveyor knows

431
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:45,039
» he's done this better than I would even
know it honestly.

432
00:33:42,399 --> 00:33:48,080
just a map, but it's not stamped either.
So, like when he goes to file a stamped

433
00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:52,000
plan,
>> right, right,

434
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:54,080
» those overlays need to be on it. So,
utility overlays.

435
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:58,159
» Okay.
>> And again, they're not going to be

436
00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:02,080
exact, but there's there's certainly a
way to do a

437
00:33:59,919 --> 00:34:06,399
» first
of what's out there subdivision

438
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:11,119
conforming. Hold on.
And if he if he notes on the survey

439
00:34:08,720 --> 00:34:14,399
that's based upon information provided
by others, i.e. the city, that's

440
00:34:12,720 --> 00:34:17,399
acceptable as well. Sure.
>> Okay.

441
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:24,320
» Okay. So, should we
>> Okay.

442
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:28,560
Maybe just stand by. We'll see if any
member of the public wants to speak on

443
00:34:25,919 --> 00:34:31,800
this. Is there anyone here to speak on
this application?

444
00:34:35,839 --> 00:34:41,760
Yeah. Uh,
we're not getting that on the record.

445
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:48,040
So, and I couldn't hear you either
anyway. So, do you want to do you want

446
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:48,040
to come down and speak? Yeah.

447
00:34:52,560 --> 00:35:00,240
» My name is Kevin Fantenber. I live 439th
Avenue in North Troy. I can give you

448
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:06,559
some names and numbers people that will
>> get you straightened out because this I

449
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,559
my lack of [laughter]

450
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:12,454
» this poor surveyor is going to bad name
and that's [laughter]

451
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:25,200
» sure it's a miscommunication.
>> All right. Anybody else want to speak?

452
00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:28,160
Okay. Uh we need to do lead agency.
>> It's unlisted.

453
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:31,359
» It's it's an unlisted action. Uh you can
pass a resolution adopting the

454
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:34,079
recommendation of staff that it be
unlisted and you can

455
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,960
» so no need
>> schedule a public hearing. Uh the

456
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:42,720
application is complete.
>> Okay. So we entertain a motion to

457
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:47,280
declare uh accept staff finding that it
is an unlisted action.

458
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:51,119
» I second
>> motion.

459
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:53,839
» You just made it. I'll make a motion to
declare it as an unlisted action under

460
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,760
secret.
>> Second.

461
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:59,200
» Second
>> discussion. All in favor say I.

462
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:03,359
» I.
>> Say no.

463
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:06,960
» And the motion carries unanimously.
>> Do you think you you'd be able to

464
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:11,040
accomplish this by the next meeting for
the new survey?

465
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:15,599
» Um I will call him tomorrow.
>> Okay.

466
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:20,880
» So do we schedule a hearing? Are are you
going to take an action on uh the

467
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:25,200
» the unlisted action
>> like a determination declaration

468
00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:31,280
» application completeness?
>> Uh no negative declaration there.

469
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:35,119
» You you may want to hold off until you
receive the utility information because

470
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:39,920
that may change your opinion.
>> The soils are no good.

471
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:43,599
» No,
but there we are. So,

472
00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:46,480
» so can we we can determine the
application complete. Can we not?

473
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:50,079
» Absolutely.
>> Motion make a motion to determine that

474
00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:53,920
the application is complete.
>> I second.

475
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:58,960
» Discussion. All in favor say I.
>> I. Oppose say no.

476
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:01,359
» And the motion carries unanimously.
Next up is to schedule public hearing.

477
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:06,240
Is that correct?
>> Yes. Um I'll make a motion that we

478
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:12,720
schedule the uh public hearing for
September 15th. I would I would probably

479
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:16,480
just not sure how readily available uh
surveyor is to update everything by

480
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:21,839
Monday, but Monday is the cut off for
September. So I I

481
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:26,400
probably would would think that October
is more likely when it's

482
00:37:23,359 --> 00:37:29,839
» October just
say you could schedule September. They

483
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,320
can always or
>> it can always show next

484
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:37,119
» or use the language of when the
applicant is ready to return or

485
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:41,599
something of that nature.
Okay. Well, it's up to you. But

486
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:46,480
» well, we can make a motion to set the
public hearing for September 15th. And

487
00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:49,359
if the information is not in by Monday,
you will have to go the following month.

488
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:53,119
Okay.
>> And you can just call us and let us know

489
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:55,359
that it's not available, we'll schedule
you for October.

490
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:57,839
» Okay.
>> Good.

491
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:01,760
» Second.
>> I'll second. Discussion.

492
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:05,599
» All in favor say I.
>> Post say no.

493
00:38:03,359 --> 00:38:14,079
» Motion carries unanimously.
So to so to have by Monday the rev

494
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:19,520
revised um so one copy
>> the yeah submission requirements for

495
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:23,839
September due Monday. Um I mean if the
surveyor is able if the surveyor is able

496
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:27,280
to get it then he could just email it to
us and that would be that would be

497
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,800
» stamp.
>> Okay. Yeah

498
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:36,160
» that would be sufficient. So, um, have a
talk with them and, um, if it doesn't

499
00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:41,119
work out, we'll have you on for October.
>> All right. Very good. And then could I

500
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:46,079
ask you a question about the soil
to make it which would make it

501
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:50,800
non-conforming? What do I What how does
that apply to me?

502
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:55,839
» No. No. Soil soil wouldn't factor.
>> So, so it's not something you have to

503
00:38:53,040 --> 00:39:00,160
worry about for the subdivision. Um, but
you do have to worry and again this all

504
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:04,400
depends upon whether or not there's
sewer access and you indicated that

505
00:39:01,839 --> 00:39:09,040
there may be. So, this is a non-issue.
>> But because your property is showing as

506
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:14,240
being on septic,
>> if the second lot has to be on septic,

507
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:18,079
then the soils have to be conducive to
allowing a septic system and be approved

508
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,920
by the county department of health.
>> Okay?

509
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,320
» But that would be subsequent to the
subdivision.

510
00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:26,960
» Okay?
And there would have to be enough room

511
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:32,640
for both the house and the septic system
lot. Is is your current septic system

512
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:38,960
all on the what will remain as your lot?
>> Yes, it's um north of my house. So the

513
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:41,920
second lot is on the other side of the
house.

514
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,520
» Okay. Thank you.
>> Thank you.

515
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,480
» Thank you.
>> Thank you. Thank you so much.

516
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:55,079
» Thank you.
Next item, uh, PLPB 2026006475

517
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:55,079
Water Plant Road.

518
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:02,960
» Good evening, chair and members of the
board. My name is Rob Goldman. I'm chief

519
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:07,280
operating officer for New York State
Marine Highway Transportation Company.

520
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:12,400
Um, thank you for the opportunity to
present this application. 75 Water Plant

521
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:16,240
Road. By way of background, New York
State Marine Highway Transportation is a

522
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:21,359
Troybased marine transportation company
founded in 2004. Our business offices

523
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:25,440
are located at 427 River Street. Our
maintenance yard and dispatch operations

524
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:28,800
are at 391 Second Avenue. The proposed
facility at 75 Water Plant would be

525
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:32,480
supplemental, not replace these
locations, and it would be used to

526
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:37,040
provide warehouse space for our marine
equipment, parts, and supplies along

527
00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:41,440
with limited secure crew parking.
project is low impact use of an existing

528
00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:45,040
building and developed site. No building
expansion, major exterior alteration or

529
00:40:43,839 --> 00:40:49,520
significant site development is
proposed. Existing footprint and

530
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:52,960
circulation pattern remain unchanged.
Pros warehouse use is compatible with

531
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:56,319
the immediate area except for the
residents across the street. Properties

532
00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:59,920
along water plant road are commercial
and municipal.

533
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:04,720
Um we note we realize that a use
variance is required. The ZBA review is

534
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:08,880
scheduled for September 2nd next
meeting.

535
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:11,839
No new parking spaces or seg grading are
proposed. The building will be used

536
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:16,960
primary for storage and not regularly
occupied employees. Any limited secure

537
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:21,680
crew parking will be used existing
developed areas. Um on my site plan, I

538
00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:25,119
showed a security gate, but we have not
yet finalized location design. We've

539
00:41:23,839 --> 00:41:28,400
only actually been to the site a couple
times. We don't we do not own the site

540
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:31,920
yet.
Um proposed signage would be replace

541
00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:35,920
existing Shriner sign with New York
State Marine Highway sign subject to

542
00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:42,000
required permits and approvals.
uh that is detailed on the um site plan.

543
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:46,319
No new lighting is or landscape is
proposed and no bulk liquid storage is

544
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:50,480
proposed also. In summary, the project
reactivate an existing building and

545
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:54,240
property without expanding the develop
footprint. It supports an established

546
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:58,480
Troy business while avoiding impacts of
new construction. We respectfully ask

547
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:01,040
the board to advance the site plan
application subject to required use

548
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:07,160
variance. Thank you for your
consideration. We're prepared to answer

549
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:07,160
any questions. Any

550
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:13,119
preliminary questions, board?
>> Yeah. Um, so

551
00:42:11,839 --> 00:42:16,160
you say you're going to put a security
gate across with just the driveway

552
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:21,760
» potentially.
>> So there's no no fenced in area, no

553
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:26,880
secure area. So that being said, you
don't plan on doing any outside storage,

554
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:30,319
no equipment, no strictly for parking.
That's it.

555
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:35,040
» Correct. The reason is our at our 391
location, we've had employee vehicles

556
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:39,359
stolen and trailers stolen. We need to
find something a little more secure.

557
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:42,160
» So everything will be in inside the
building itself.

558
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:45,599
» Mostly except for we have crew change
every other week. There are vehicles

559
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:50,400
maybe five vehicles would get parked up
there. Got

560
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:53,960
» so no conex boxes. No
>> at this time. No.

561
00:42:55,599 --> 00:43:00,960
» Have you uh applied for your variance
yet? It's on the next meeting. We apply.

562
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:05,520
Yes. Yes.
>> Correct.

563
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:10,240
» Yeah. I see it's existing zoning is
parks and conservation.

564
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,520
» Doesn't make much sense.
>> Right.

565
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:15,040
» Yeah.
>> I've been on that road.

566
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:19,040
» Everything on the
>> There are some geese up there. So,

567
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:23,839
» yes. Yeah.
>> But everything in the lo in the is

568
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:28,119
either municipal or business industrial.
>> Yeah. Everything else, right?

569
00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:28,119
» Yeah.

570
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,240
We don't have the bouncy bounce.

571
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:41,119
» So are you're not going to store it's
mainly for storage for the things that

572
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:43,760
you use on your tugboats, right?
>> Paper towels.

573
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:50,119
» Store paper towels.
>> Yeah. Uh engine parts,

574
00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:50,119
» right?

575
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:59,720
So looking at the letter uh from DPU

576
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:07,839
requesting a spill prevention plan. Have
you discussed that with them?

577
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:12,079
» We have
>> or anybody?

578
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:15,599
» We have in place all kinds of we work on
the water. We have all kinds of spill

579
00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:20,079
plans
already. Um but nothing's really there's

580
00:44:17,839 --> 00:44:24,160
no bulk uh petroleum products being
stored here.

581
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:27,160
No different than a a car, you know,
vehicles.

582
00:44:28,319 --> 00:44:35,440
» We have hydraulic equipment on the site.
>> No,

583
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:39,000
forklift would be indoors, I guess.
>> What if we have a forklift?

584
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:47,599
So basically you're saying no outdoor
storage of equipment, materials,

585
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:50,720
containers, trailers might have vessels,
>> trailers definitely.

586
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:57,680
» What What do you mean?
>> A flatbed trailer, equipment trailer,

587
00:44:55,040 --> 00:45:04,880
» with a motor or
>> we have a we have a two axle trailer.

588
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:10,280
We have a um a empty boat trailer
maybe would be there from time to time.

589
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,280
Any

590
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,560
questions?

591
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:22,040
Well, let's see if the if there's any
public comment here, I guess.

592
00:45:25,359 --> 00:45:30,440
» Anybody want to comment? Yes. Come on
down. Come

593
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:42,079
» again. My My name is Kevin Vandenberg. I
live at 439th Avenue, North Troy.

594
00:45:40,319 --> 00:45:46,079
I certainly am not against this project
and I don't want to stand in the way of

595
00:45:43,359 --> 00:45:51,359
anybody running the business, but we all
know how these things take a life of

596
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:54,800
their own on it on the exterior. I
already heard him say tonight that not

597
00:45:53,359 --> 00:45:59,760
at this time when he's talking about
conics, trailer storage outside,

598
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:03,359
we're talking about a forklift now. I
don't believe there's a garage door on

599
00:46:01,119 --> 00:46:07,760
the building, is there?
So, you're going to drive a forklift

600
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:09,599
through a doorway.
>> Okay.

601
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:15,040
» Door.
>> So, I'm more I This is a gateway to the

602
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:19,280
city as far as I'm concerned. It's an
entrance point at the north at the

603
00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:23,280
furthest north end and probably has one
of the nicest views. I think I'm the

604
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:28,400
only guy in Troy that builds houses in
North Troy and I still try to want to

605
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:32,319
see North Troy survive. I think there's
a lot of missing details on the exterior

606
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:38,240
of what they're going what their
intentions are to use the exterior for.

607
00:46:36,319 --> 00:46:43,280
The next thing you know, a ConX trailer
shows up. Then another one shows up.

608
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:48,240
Then we're putting a roof over the two
of them and storing stuff inside. We're

609
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:51,280
stacking stuff on top of things.
I think there needs to be a lot more

610
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:57,040
detail about what's going to happen
outside this this place and how we're

611
00:46:54,800 --> 00:47:01,440
going to handle everything outside.
We're already talking about two trailers

612
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:05,680
that that they mentioned nothing in the
in the report on that. The exterior, all

613
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:13,760
they're going to do is take one sign
down and put a put a gate up and they

614
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:17,040
add an EV charging station. I I I just
coming down. There's already a guy

615
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:21,599
across the street from here that's
running a masonry business out of it.

616
00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:24,960
It's a mess. It is an industrial spot,
but there are residences across the

617
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:30,079
street.
I just want to see more

618
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:35,040
feet to the fire on what's going to
happen exterior. And if there's going to

619
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:39,520
be things like that, there should be
screening. There should be a lot a lot

620
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:44,960
of things. There shouldn't be 55gallon
drums outside or anything like that. You

621
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:50,520
know, it should be it should be clearly
defined what their anticipation is.

622
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:58,920
» Thank you.
>> Okay. Thank you, Kevin. Thank you.

623
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,920
» Is there anyone else to speak?

624
00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:05,200
» Anyone else to speak?
>> Comment on what I'm just saying?

625
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:10,720
» All right. So, you want to respond to
any of that, sir?

626
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:14,400
» Um, trailers are mobile. It's a two axle
trailer that we use to remove, say, we

627
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:19,280
have a propeller, it's got to go to
Manhattan or New Jersey for repair. We

628
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:24,240
put it on the trailer and it goes. We
don't store any barrels like that at

629
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:27,760
this location. We're not proposing to um
it's f it's I don't know it's like 5,000

630
00:48:26,559 --> 00:48:35,520
foot building. There's no reason to put
anything outside like that.

631
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:39,920
» What is is this to the to the north? Um
so here's your site. Can what is the

632
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:42,000
facility to the just to the north? What
is that?

633
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,760
» City.
>> Is that the water

634
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,559
» over here?
>> Yes.

635
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,800
» Yes.
>> That's the water part of the water

636
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:54,319
plant.
>> Yeah. DPU land. All the buildings along

637
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:56,960
here are either the water plant or Time
Warner has a facility,

638
00:48:55,760 --> 00:49:01,400
» right? Time Warner, right?
>> And we spoke to the woman that has

639
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:17,200
» Can you can you talk to the mic, please?
>> Um, I believe it's the one directly

640
00:49:15,839 --> 00:49:20,720
across the street we spoke to. We also
spoke to Gordy Hughes. He has was in

641
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:24,160
favor of the project also.
>> Okay. The one across the street is that

642
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:29,240
Kasowski?
>> I don't I don't remember her name.

643
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:39,440
» Any other questions?
>> So, I mean like uh to Rob references the

644
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:44,079
indoor storage and and crew parking on
the application. Can the uh can Rob

645
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:51,040
confirm can you confirm for the record
that no outdoor storage contractor yard

646
00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:56,880
container storage equipment layown area
or marine equipment staging area is

647
00:49:53,280 --> 00:50:00,160
proposed as part of this application.
>> I can confirm that we'll have vehicles

648
00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:05,280
and trailers. I'm not sure how they fit
into those definitions.

649
00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:11,359
» We own two trailers. One is a boat
trailer and one is a two axle flatbed

650
00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:14,240
trailer.
Well, I mean that's mobile equipment.

651
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:20,160
So,
>> yeah, but it's not fuel oil or grease or

652
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:23,640
there's no no moving parts that going to
spill or

653
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:35,960
» he's trying to define the scope of
approval so we don't have any issues

654
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,960
going forward. You know what I mean?

655
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:49,760
May I say something?
>> I'm on Zoom.

656
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:53,040
» Oh, hello. Uh,
>> yeah. Yes, Deborah, go ahead. Sorry, I

657
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,520
didn't see your hand raised.
>> Please identify yourself first, please.

658
00:50:54,880 --> 00:51:02,800
And your
>> Sure. My name is Deborah Spence and I

659
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:06,640
live right on Second Avenue and I agree
with the gentleman. and I think his

660
00:51:04,319 --> 00:51:13,280
name's Kevin Vandenberg
that everything should be

661
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:19,359
really detailed on the plan or at least
as Kevin was saying there should be some

662
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:24,079
definitive because some of the answers
didn't seem definitive to me and when I

663
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:29,200
passed by that location their location
on Second Avenue I still see equipment

664
00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:35,839
outside that I thought was supposed to
be behind the barrier

665
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:44,000
» as as opposed to on the side where we
all can see it on Second Avenue. So

666
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:49,359
I agree with the the Troy resident as
well, Kevin, when he was saying it

667
00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:55,839
should be truly clarifi clarified so
there aren't any issues going forward if

668
00:51:51,839 --> 00:51:59,680
it were to be approved. Thank you.
>> Thank you.

669
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:03,760
» Welcome.
Anything

670
00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:08,200
further from the board?
>> Chris, do you have any issues with?

671
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:22,000
» Yeah, I mean
I think addressing the uh spill

672
00:52:17,839 --> 00:52:28,319
prevention plan is appropriate.
whether you know quite frankly I I don't

673
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:33,359
know the level of uh documentation or
what needs to be done to address

674
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:38,160
something when your site is upstream of
a water treatment plant. Believe they're

675
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:43,119
like directly upstream of the lagoons
where I think DPU uses that that's like

676
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:48,800
the discharge of when they're treating
the water. So, but it's monitored by DEC

677
00:52:46,319 --> 00:52:56,079
and all that because it's a discharge.
So that should at least be addressed uh

678
00:52:53,119 --> 00:53:00,559
yeah through a spill prevention report
which maybe is something that could be

679
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:05,760
pretty simple honestly if it's if it's
limited to that amount of equipment um

680
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:10,720
» could be you know points of contact and
who to call if uh there is a spill and

681
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:15,680
having you know absorbent or cleanup
materials on site or something of that

682
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:21,119
nature but I'd like yeah I'd like to at
least see it addressed or responded too.

683
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:26,880
» Well, the I mean the applicant saying
that he's not going to store any kind of

684
00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:32,720
hazardous chemicals there
whether it be I don't know

685
00:53:29,839 --> 00:53:37,040
whatever
if I could respond to that we'll be

686
00:53:34,319 --> 00:53:41,240
happy to provide what you're asking for.
>> Thank you.

687
00:53:37,359 --> 00:53:41,240
» I already have it in place.

688
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:47,119
» Did Did you see the staff
recommendations

689
00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:50,680
in this in the report? Do you have issue
with any of those?

690
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,359
» Yeah, the parking lot condition. We're
not even sure we're going to use the

691
00:53:56,720 --> 00:54:00,079
parking lot.
>> I'm sorry.

692
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:04,640
» The parking lot condition. We don't plan
on repaving the parking lot.

693
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:09,200
Uh the existing parking lot will remain
in service with no expansion proposed.

694
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:12,800
New MS Marine will continue routine
maintenance of the property and restripe

695
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:16,079
faded parking spaces and complete
localized repairs or pavement

696
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:19,680
deterioration affects safe site
circulation. Full construction of the

697
00:54:17,839 --> 00:54:23,640
parking lot in the area is not proposed
part of this proposal.

698
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:33,319
» But you would have to provide a snow
storage location. Was that

699
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:45,280
» so bra? We're not really changing
anything out, correct? You know, to the

700
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:48,480
building. There's no modifications to
the building. They're not building a new

701
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:51,680
parking lot. We're not doing any of
that. There's no manufacturing

702
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:56,000
activities.
>> Um but the biggest thing is the zoning

703
00:54:55,200 --> 00:55:02,400
change.
>> Correct. Um, and then a lot of these

704
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:04,640
items are, I think, easy for you to
comply with at some rights,

705
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:08,559
» correct?
>> Um,

706
00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:12,400
so your schedule?
>> Um, well, we have to close on the

707
00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:15,680
building and we're very busy now. We
probably wouldn't be occupying it.

708
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,920
» Could you get zoning approval before you
close on the building?

709
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:21,920
» Hopefully. It's the day before it's
supposed to close.

710
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:24,079
» Hopefully.
>> All right. So, that's that's where

711
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:29,119
you're at.
>> Yes. And and Jim, we're we've only been

712
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,960
to the site twice. This is an ongoing
developing idea.

713
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:35,200
» Oh, I
>> we know we've outgrown our location,

714
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:39,200
» right?
>> I mean, I've known you for a really long

715
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,880
time. You had a couple boats,
>> big ones,

716
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:44,800
» correct?
>> Pretty amazing.

717
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:47,760
» So,
so that's where you're at. This is kind

718
00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:50,480
of fast moving,
>> correct?

719
00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:53,680
» Um, you're working with Eric. We're
going to get the a plan in for the spell

720
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:57,839
just, you know,
>> absolutely. You'll have it tomorrow

721
00:55:55,119 --> 00:55:59,839
» and then uh and then you're uh already
in the agenda for ZBA or now.

722
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:03,480
» Correct.
>> You are. Okay.

723
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:08,640
» For next month for September
>> September 2nd.

724
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:11,440
» September 2nd.
I

725
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:17,280
» I if I may,
in relation to your closing date,

726
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:22,960
you may want to consult with your
attorney. I don't represent you. I

727
00:56:19,119 --> 00:56:28,000
represent the board. But there are
ramifications

728
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:32,720
to the use variance test that you have
to present to the zoning board

729
00:56:30,720 --> 00:56:37,839
based upon whether or not you are the
owner of the property.

730
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:43,200
So I would urge you to consult with your
attorney as to the timing of seeking the

731
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:46,079
use variance versus closing on the
property.

732
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:49,680
» Our closing is the day after the zoning
board of appeals.

733
00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:53,119
» Then that theoretically could work for
you. Yes.

734
00:56:50,799 --> 00:56:56,079
» So you when you apply to the zoning
board of appeals, you won't be the

735
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,599
owner. Correct. Correct. That makes a a
big difference.

736
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,400
» Yes. Understood.
>> Okay.

737
00:56:58,720 --> 00:57:03,720
» Great. You're you're already on top of
it. Excellent.

738
00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:10,079
» Anything further?
>> No.

739
00:57:07,359 --> 00:57:17,839
» So, uh,
we have a motion accepting recognizing

740
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:21,760
this as unlisted action. I'd like to
make a motion to declare this an

741
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:25,760
unlisted action under seeker.
>> A second.

742
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:30,920
» Discussion. All in favor say I. I.
>> Post say no. And the motion carries

743
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,920
unanimously.

744
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:39,680
Um I don't think there's any other
action. Is that correct? Till after the

745
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:46,000
zone,
>> right, he's got to go to ZBA. So

746
00:57:43,359 --> 00:57:49,440
um you know I don't know if we could say
the application is complete with with

747
00:57:48,079 --> 00:57:52,480
that.
>> I think uh

748
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:55,920
» that's an unknown.
I

749
00:57:52,720 --> 00:58:02,400
» think that the engineer
do you want to hold off on that

750
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:07,119
» or should we make a recommendation to
the ZBA? I mean

751
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:11,599
» your pleasure.
So, in terms of determining the

752
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:16,480
application complete,
um that that's a a paperwork review

753
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:22,400
process, not do you have all your
variances in place. Um but we do have a

754
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:25,520
request from the city engineer for the
spill prevention plan. Yeah.

755
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:29,119
» Which the applicant has said that he'll
provide.

756
00:58:26,319 --> 00:58:32,960
» Um to my mind, I don't think the
application would be complete if we have

757
00:58:31,119 --> 00:58:35,280
the city engineers office requesting
additional information and you don't

758
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:40,079
have it yet.
>> I see. So, kind of hyper technicality,

759
00:58:38,079 --> 00:58:43,200
but I I I would think you don't you'd
want to hold off on declaring it

760
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:46,319
complete until that spill prevention
plan is provided.

761
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:50,480
» Okay.
>> So, is there any other [clears throat]

762
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:55,839
action on this application at this time?
I think not. So, we'll see you back next

763
00:58:54,799 --> 00:59:00,200
time.
>> Thank you very much for your time.

764
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:00,200
Appreciate it.

765
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:06,079
» Is there any other business to come
before the planning board?

766
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:10,000
If not, we'd entertain a motion to
adjurnn.

767
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:13,440
» Make a motion to adjurnn. This
>> second

768
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:17,599
» discussion. All in favor say I.
>> Post say no.

769
00:59:15,119 --> 00:59:22,880
» Motion carries. Uh the meeting's
adjourned. Thank you folks.

770
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:22,880
That's