1 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,120 I call the Umatilla Planning Commission 2 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,160 meeting to order. Nancy, can we have 3 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:21,950 roll call, please? 4 00:01:21,960 --> 00:01:27,710 » Okay, and we have um 5 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:29,680 Commissioner we have a new commissioner 6 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,720 um Daniel uh 7 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:33,160 >> Joel 8 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:37,880 >> Ochoa Jr. and our Commissioner Cooper 9 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,200 are both absent today, excused absences. 10 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,880 So, as four and then we have 11 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:47,160 Commissioner Leon Tejeda 12 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:48,360 on Zoom. 13 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,000 So, I will start roll call. 14 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,040 Commissioner Jared Tesch 15 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:54,440 >> Present. 16 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,680 >> Commissioner Yesenia Leon Tejeda 17 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,110 >> Here. 18 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:02,800 » Commissioner Kelly Nobles. 19 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:03,600 >> Here. 20 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,040 >> Commissioner Carmen Porta. 21 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:06,880 >> Here. 22 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:08,640 >> And Commissioner Carol Jones. 23 00:02:08,640 --> 00:02:09,440 >> Here. 24 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,080 >> Okay. We have a quorum. 25 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:12,400 >> Thank you, Nancy. Please stand up for 26 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:16,030 the Pledge of Allegiance. 27 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,600 » I pledge allegiance to the flag of the 28 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,560 United States of America, 29 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,160 and to the republic for which it stands, 30 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,520 one nation under God, indivisible, with 31 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,560 liberty and justice for all. 32 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,670 >> Thank you. 33 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:32,920 And uh 34 00:02:32,920 --> 00:02:34,959 we next we'll have approval of the 35 00:02:34,959 --> 00:02:37,680 minutes. Is there a any uh 36 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,959 any conversation about uh correction of 37 00:02:39,959 --> 00:02:43,870 the minutes? 38 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:45,560 If if not, do we have a motion to 39 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:46,440 approve the minutes? 40 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:51,070 >> I move that we approve the minutes. 41 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:55,870 » I second. 42 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,520 » Commissioner Tesch. 43 00:02:58,520 --> 00:02:59,440 >> Aye. 44 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,640 >> Commissioner Leonel Tejeda. 45 00:03:01,640 --> 00:03:03,400 >> Aye. 46 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,200 >> Commissioner Porta. 47 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:06,320 >> Aye. 48 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:07,480 >> Commissioner Jones. 49 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,480 >> Aye. 50 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:11,519 >> Motion passes. 51 00:03:11,519 --> 00:03:13,120 >> Thank you, Nancy. At this point, we'll 52 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,560 move into the public comment section. Uh 53 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:16,959 I'm going We have a few people that have 54 00:03:16,959 --> 00:03:19,040 signed up to speak, but I think first 55 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,480 I'll read this uh public comment script, 56 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,480 and we have uh somebody that's written 57 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,560 in. We'll read that into the record, and 58 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:27,400 then I'll give the opportunity for 59 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,920 people to speak. 60 00:03:29,920 --> 00:03:31,120 >> Yeah, I would uh 61 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,280 um recite the script as per our council 62 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,600 and commission procedures, and then read 63 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,040 the written comment into the record, 64 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,440 then we would invite our public comment 65 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,239 if they want to testify verbally to the 66 00:03:42,239 --> 00:03:43,080 podium. 67 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:43,440 >> Okay. 68 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,480 >> Give name and address, but uh go to the 69 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,680 first written comment, and then that. 70 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:48,200 Yep. 71 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:49,040 >> Okay. 72 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:50,080 uh 73 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:51,640 the public comment segment allows 74 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:53,000 community members to share their 75 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,720 opinions, raise concerns, and provide 76 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:57,680 information directly to the city council 77 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,320 or planning commission. 78 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,360 Comments should address city-related 79 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,960 issues and must not pertain to items 80 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:05,880 scheduled for public hearings 81 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,200 on on the same evening of the agenda of 82 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,400 the same evening's agenda. If you wish 83 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,280 to speak, please complete the sign-up 84 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,520 sheet, including the topic you wish to 85 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,959 address. Please begin by stating your 86 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:19,079 name and address when called to the 87 00:04:19,079 --> 00:04:21,720 podium. Speakers are allotted 5 minutes 88 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,360 unless otherwise directed. Please note 89 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,240 comments criticizing city programs and 90 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,520 operations are permitted during this 91 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,600 segment. However, criticism of 92 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,320 individual city employees is not allowed 93 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,760 during the public comment period. 94 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:38,880 Concerns regarding city employees should 95 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:40,720 be submitted in writing to the city's 96 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:42,360 human resource manager for proper 97 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:43,919 review. Thank you for your 98 00:04:43,919 --> 00:04:46,200 consideration. At this time, I'd like to 99 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,040 read into the record 100 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,280 an email that was submitted. 101 00:04:50,280 --> 00:04:52,960 And it's addressed to Mr. Ratke, 102 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:54,040 Chairman Chairman Nobles, and the 103 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:55,200 members of the Umatilla Planning 104 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,190 Commission. 105 00:04:58,200 --> 00:04:59,520 It says, "Please accept this 106 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,800 correspondence as written public comment 107 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,000 regarding agenda item 7.1. 108 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,840 Discussion sign code districts of 109 00:05:07,840 --> 00:05:12,360 special control section 8-2A-18. 110 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,000 We respectfully request that this 111 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,800 comment be included in in its entirety 112 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,800 in the record for this matter. 113 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,560 Sign man is not opposed to the city 114 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,320 reviewing, updating, or modernizing its 115 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,400 sign regulations. In fact, we have 116 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,600 previously expressed our willingness to 117 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,120 serve as an industry resource during 118 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:32,560 such a review. 119 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,680 Our concern is that the information 120 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,120 presently provided by city staff is not 121 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,280 sufficiently developed, independently 122 00:05:39,280 --> 00:05:41,960 examined, or submitted supported by 123 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,560 objective data to justify affirmation 124 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:47,720 affirmative direction from the Planning 125 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:49,760 commission toward a specific ordinance 126 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,600 change. 127 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,880 The packet The agenda packet identifies 128 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,280 a recently submitted sign permit 129 00:05:56,280 --> 00:05:58,400 application exceeding the existing 130 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,520 height limitations. 131 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,840 States that business Businesses near 132 00:06:02,840 --> 00:06:05,680 Highway 730 and Interstate 82 are 133 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,400 primarily commercial and intended to 134 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:12,000 attract regional travelers and concludes 135 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,280 that expanded sign height standards 136 00:06:14,280 --> 00:06:16,440 within a newly created district of 137 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,480 special control would be reasonable. 138 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,880 However, that information provided does 139 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,440 not appear to include an inventory of 140 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,760 existing signs within the proper 141 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,520 proposed district, their heights, sizes, 142 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,360 or permit histories. 143 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,680 An analysis of previous variances or 144 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:36,320 approvals. 145 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,320 Applicable 146 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,600 information concerning visibility or 147 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,200 traffic conditions, safety or sight 148 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,280 distance analysis, 149 00:06:46,280 --> 00:06:48,400 comparison of alternative regulation 150 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:49,760 approaches, 151 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,280 objective justification for particular 152 00:06:53,280 --> 00:06:55,520 increased height standard, 153 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:57,480 or a detailed explanation of how the 154 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,520 proposed boundary was selected. 155 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,120 The information presented therefore 156 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,440 appears to consist primarily of a staff 157 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,720 conclusion rather than a sufficient 158 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,320 developed factual record upon which the 159 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,800 commission can independently evaluate 160 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,280 whether the proposed solutions are are 161 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,440 appropriate. 162 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,240 There is also a significant issue 163 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,520 involving the application of the city's 164 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,000 existing sign ordinance that we believe 165 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,280 should be fully examined before the city 166 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,400 proceeds toward changing the that 167 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,160 ordinance. 168 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,800 Based upon the information presented 169 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,400 available to us, the freestanding sign 170 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:40,240 cited by city staff as the impetus 171 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,480 for agenda item 7.1 it appears to have 172 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,960 been approved despite exceeding 173 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,040 uh standards contained in the current 174 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,520 sign ordinance without the applicant 175 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:58,390 being required to obtain a variance. 176 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,320 At the same time, a separate potential 177 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,000 applicant seeking approval for a sign 178 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:05,840 that also falls outside existing 179 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,360 dimension limitations has been informed 180 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,440 that a variance will be required and 181 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,800 that city staff intends to recommend 182 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:14,800 denial of that variance. 183 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,600 For clarity, Signman presently has no 184 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,760 contractual commitment with that 185 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:21,880 potential applicant and we are not 186 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:23,560 submitting these comments on that 187 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,240 applicant's behalf. 188 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,080 Our concern is with the consistent and 189 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:29,880 equitable interpretation and 190 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:31,840 administration of the city's sign 191 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:33,760 regulations. 192 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:37,039 If the sign that promoted 193 00:08:37,039 --> 00:08:40,360 item 7.1 was approved without requiring 194 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,840 the process that city staff is now 195 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,120 requiring of another applicant under the 196 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,240 same existing ordinance, 197 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,280 that discrepancy should be identified, 198 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,120 examined, and explained before the city 199 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,280 proceeds with an ordinance amendment 200 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,640 affecting this area. 201 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,040 The sequence of events is particularly 202 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:00,680 important. 203 00:09:00,680 --> 00:09:02,080 We are not asking the planning 204 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,000 commission tonight to determine why the 205 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,080 prior approval occurred or to assign 206 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,440 fault with any individual. 207 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:10,839 We are asking the commission to 208 00:09:10,839 --> 00:09:13,400 establish the facts before directing the 209 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,720 staff toward a legislative solution. 210 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,480 A code amendment should result from a 211 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,240 neutral and comprehensive planning 212 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,760 analysis of what standards best serve 213 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:24,440 the city as a whole. 214 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,520 It should not function or appear to 215 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,360 function as a means of retroactive 216 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,560 retroactively accommodating a prior 217 00:09:31,560 --> 00:09:34,400 administrative decision while existing 218 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,960 ordinances is sub is simultaneously 219 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,400 being applied more restrictively to 220 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,320 another applicant. 221 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,880 We also believe section 8-2A-18 222 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,120 itself deserves more thorough 223 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:49,640 examination before the commission 224 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:51,720 provides direction. 225 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,920 The city should establish how the 226 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,760 proposed direction of special control 227 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,920 fits with the existing ordinance, 228 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:02,240 whether the proposed mechanism is 229 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,120 appropriate for the circumstances being 230 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,120 considered, and whether a targeted 231 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:07,800 special district is preferred to a 232 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:09,640 broader or more complex more 233 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:11,920 comprehensive review of the city's sign 234 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:13,680 regulations. 235 00:10:13,680 --> 00:10:16,200 Accordingly, we respect we respectfully 236 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,280 request that the planning commission 237 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,240 treat tonight's decision as preliminary 238 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,640 and refrain from providing affirmation 239 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,720 decisions, recommendations, or consensus 240 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,040 towards a specific ordinance until a 241 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,520 more complete factual record has been 242 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,000 developed and made available for public 243 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:35,400 review. 244 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,440 At a minimum, we believe 245 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,400 that the record should include 246 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:41,560 an inventory of existing freestanding 247 00:10:41,560 --> 00:10:43,800 signs within the proposed district, 248 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,200 including approximate heights, sign 249 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,839 areas, dates of installation, permit 250 00:10:48,839 --> 00:10:51,360 histories, and any variance or other 251 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,600 special approvals associated with them. 252 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,400 An explanation of the permitting and 253 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,360 approval basis for the sign cited by 254 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:03,520 staff as an impetus for agenda item 7.1, 255 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,520 including how to approve how how that 256 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:10,280 approval complied with the ordinance 257 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,000 is is in effect at that time. 258 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:14,800 The analysis of how the proposed 259 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,680 district of special control fits within 260 00:11:17,680 --> 00:11:19,960 the satisf- within and satisfies the 261 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,080 requirements of the intent of sections 262 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,520 8-2A-18. 263 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:29,080 And number four, objectively and inform 264 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:30,880 informa- objective information 265 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,600 supporting whatever heights, area, 266 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,640 location, and design standards staff may 267 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,000 ultimately recommend. 268 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,720 Number five, an explanation of the basis 269 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,960 for the proposed district boundary and 270 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,360 why similarly situated properties are 271 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,640 included or excluded. 272 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,720 Number six, consideration of alternative 273 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:54,680 approaches, including whether a 274 00:11:54,680 --> 00:11:56,920 comprehensive review of the city's sign 275 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:58,920 regulations would produce more 276 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:00,880 consistent standards 277 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,080 than created the creation of a narrowly 278 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,280 defined special district. Number seven, 279 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,360 an explanation of how existing sign 280 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,560 regulations will be interpreted and 281 00:12:10,560 --> 00:12:13,280 administered consistently among 282 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,280 applicants while any legislative is 283 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,320 being considered. 284 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:19,920 We believe the planning commission and 285 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:21,760 interested parties, members of the 286 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:23,000 public, 287 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,080 should have an opportunity to review a 288 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,200 complete factual record before the 289 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,320 commission is asked to recommend or 290 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,960 advance a particular particular 291 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,040 legislative solution. 292 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,760 Again, Sign Man is not opposed to 293 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,040 modifying modification of the city's 294 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:40,640 sign code. 295 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:42,400 There may be a legitimate and compelling 296 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,240 reason to revise portions of that 297 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:45,680 ordinance. 298 00:12:45,680 --> 00:12:47,640 Our request is simply 299 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,600 that any such change be developed 300 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,480 through an open, objective, fact-based 301 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:56,040 process supported by meaningful evidence 302 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,839 applied consistently and informed by 303 00:12:58,839 --> 00:13:02,000 appropriate industry and public inputs. 304 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,720 We therefore respectfully ask the 305 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,480 planning commission not to prejudge 306 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:07,440 the 307 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,280 application the appropriate solution 308 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,280 based upon the limited information 309 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,120 currently before it and not to provide 310 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,160 affirmation directions toward a specific 311 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,800 ordinance until these issues have been 312 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:21,680 adequately examined. 313 00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:28,510 Thank you for your consideration. 314 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,040 At this time, uh 315 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:31,400 do we want to start with the list? 316 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,320 Dancy, do you have a sign-up list? Thank 317 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:45,830 you. 318 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,600 Okay, thank you. 319 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,080 Okay, we have uh two people signed up 320 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,920 for the list. Uh first would be Chad. Do 321 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:55,000 you want to 322 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:59,390 Please state your name and address. 323 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,880 » Chad Milberger, uh 13 324 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:04,320 Can you hear me now? Okay. 325 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,160 Uh Chad Milberger, 1310 Southwest 3rd 326 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,040 Place, Pendleton, Oregon. 327 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:10,400 First, I want to thank you guys for the 328 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,320 opportunity to come out here and speak 329 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,080 to you. Um obviously, this isn't our 330 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,040 direct community, but it is really part 331 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:17,480 of our community 332 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:18,680 um in whole. 333 00:14:18,680 --> 00:14:20,200 And I wanted to take an opportunity to 334 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,920 introduce who we are. Um we've been in 335 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,920 Umatilla County as a fully licensed and 336 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,960 full-service sign company since 1946. 337 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,280 Um and my grandparents actually used to 338 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,000 own uh a hotel right at the exit to the 339 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:35,720 bridge here where ODOT now has their 340 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:37,040 weigh station. 341 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,520 Um so, it's kind of interesting full 342 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:40,920 circle, but 343 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,640 uh the information that was provided in 344 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,200 that documentation that you just read 345 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,520 out is a very formal and very 346 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,320 thought-out process, and it's important 347 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,600 for us to get it all out on paper so 348 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,520 that it's all on record. This is kind of 349 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,560 more of an informal approach to it. Um 350 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,160 so, our thought on it is that something 351 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,440 like this is something that takes a lot 352 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,360 of really deep thinking and a lot of 353 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,000 open minds to be able to come to a 354 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,920 conclusion of what the best uh thought 355 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,600 is. And today, I couldn't tell you what 356 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,080 that is um because every municipality is 357 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,040 different, and it takes so much 358 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:16,760 dedicated time and thought to be able to 359 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:18,280 get to what that right answer is for 360 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:19,640 each community. 361 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,880 Um the approach here today is just to 362 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,960 kind of uh slow it down a little bit and 363 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:27,480 help towards the idea of thinking 364 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,600 openly. Signage is an extremely 365 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:31,720 multifaceted industry 366 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,120 um and it touches on the idea of free 367 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:35,800 speech. So, there's a lot of motions 368 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,040 that come into play um from everybody in 369 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:41,080 the mix. And so, having something that's 370 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,120 cohesive is really hard to do and that 371 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:47,560 comes down to the table. Um and so, uh I 372 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:51,040 think with this uh opportunity here, um 373 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:52,680 there's really an opportunity to maybe 374 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,080 look at developing the entire um sign 375 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,000 code so that it matches the needs of the 376 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:58,800 community in whole. 377 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:00,600 And there's a really good uh resource 378 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,200 that I'd like to pitch out there um for 379 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,360 the city to lean on that has no cost to 380 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,200 it at all that actually represents all 381 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,680 of the sign companies um of the region 382 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:11,360 and actually the nation. It's called the 383 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,040 International Sign Association. And they 384 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,000 have an entire department that's set 385 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:18,680 towards the idea of helping communities 386 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:20,440 develop the sign codes that match the 387 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,480 needs of the areas that they're in. Um 388 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:23,720 we've worked with them in the city of 389 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:25,600 Pendleton and they helped to develop 390 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,120 some of the sign code that just recently 391 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:28,440 went through there. 392 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:29,520 Um and I think it's a really good 393 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,800 opportunity to utilize resources that 394 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:33,720 have a lot of data about every type of 395 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:35,600 sign that ever existed 396 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:37,320 um to develop your sign code into what 397 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:38,720 it needs to be. 398 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,200 Um with that, I I just wanted to 399 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,680 introduce who we are um and say thank 400 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:46,760 you for the opportunity to 401 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,440 uh be a part of this. 402 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,640 >> Thank you, Chad. Appreciate that. 403 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:53,400 Ed, would you like to make a comment? 404 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:58,670 Please state your name and your address. 405 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,320 » I'm Edward Melton. Edward Meltonberger, 406 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,400 803 Southwest Court, Pendleton, Oregon. 407 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,680 And actually, we we had a small motel 408 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,199 here for since the dam was built. But uh 409 00:17:11,199 --> 00:17:13,360 so, we have some history here. Uh I 410 00:17:13,360 --> 00:17:15,480 remember when there was a museum where 411 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,560 the big truck stop is now. So, it's 412 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:19,560 Yeah, it goes back quite a ways. 413 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:20,439 Uh 414 00:17:20,439 --> 00:17:22,680 myself uh 415 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,439 I bought the sign company at the estate 416 00:17:25,439 --> 00:17:27,640 and uh I decided to keep it running 417 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,360 because I thought it was a it was a 418 00:17:29,360 --> 00:17:31,400 talent that I knew how to do. 419 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,480 And uh give you a little history, my dad 420 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,640 was a neon glass bender and I am a neon 421 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,480 glass bender also. 422 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,520 But uh to carry on a tradition of 423 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,440 signage, to see things develop 424 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,800 throughout the '60s, we all work very 425 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,120 close together. They see how 426 00:17:47,120 --> 00:17:49,440 the mechanics of sign control became 427 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,480 something of an important thing because 428 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,960 small representation brings customers in 429 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:56,120 our door. 430 00:17:56,120 --> 00:17:58,000 And that's what we need. 431 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,920 Um this is a very fast street out here. 432 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,800 Uh you have exactly about 8 seconds to 433 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:07,640 15 seconds to read it. National uh regs 434 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:12,240 on that are like uh for a big sign 435 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,040 or a small sign, you have 436 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,760 Valentine's Day, Veterans Day, 437 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:19,680 congratulations. 438 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,960 Uh 6-in letter reads for about 250 ft, 439 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,200 an 8-in letter reads for 460 ft. 440 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,360 And these types of things are what 441 00:18:28,360 --> 00:18:30,920 actually make a progressive 442 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,680 uh business areas. And that's what uh 443 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:35,520 the International Sign Organization is 444 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,840 all about is they can help you organize 445 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,240 things throughout your traffic patterns 446 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,360 that will help you regulate that. 447 00:18:42,360 --> 00:18:44,800 Now, the insistence of re-zoning 448 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,200 something, I fell into this 449 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,040 uh when I bought up the property from my 450 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,840 folks's estate, they had an idea that 451 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,720 they were going to re-zone the property. 452 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:56,840 Well, 453 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:58,960 we're grandfathered in, but you have to 454 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,400 protect the businesses around you. 455 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:02,960 And we're just kind of like out of the 456 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:04,720 blue, someone says, "We're going to have 457 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,520 this new district and you're going to do 458 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:07,720 this." 459 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,520 We We're what? We're restricted. 460 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:14,600 I mean, I I could hope that the property owners 461 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:16,640 are aware of what's going on. 462 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,760 I didn't see any of any 463 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:19,800 uh 464 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:21,480 public information printed out in the 465 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,000 newspaper or anything where they 466 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,920 normally do that type of a thing. 467 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,600 So, uh with that in mind, I respectfully 468 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,280 say I got a little history here and 469 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,960 I do like Umatilla. It's a good spot. 470 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,440 Thank you. 471 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:40,000 >> Thank you. We appreciate your comments. 472 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,040 That concludes our sign-up list. Um 473 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:44,960 Jack, do we Do we do discussion after 474 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:46,960 the public speaking, or do we just put 475 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:48,840 that in our discussion items? Any 476 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:49,920 discussion? 477 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,160 >> Uh not typically with a public comment, 478 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,000 just with the difficult rules. You You 479 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,520 solicit, you get your comments um on the 480 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:57,640 item. 481 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,960 >> Um So, at this point, we can just move 482 00:19:59,960 --> 00:20:00,480 on. 483 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:01,240 >> on. 484 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,200 >> Okay. 485 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,080 Uh we do have no new business on 486 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:07,520 the agenda. 487 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:08,880 So, um 488 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:10,480 uh we can move into the the uh 489 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,320 commissioner information and discussion 490 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:13,720 portion. Does the staff have something 491 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:15,680 you'd like to address first? 492 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:17,480 >> Uh we don't have specifically on this 493 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,320 evening for the planning commission. 494 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:20,600 We're just glad to have everyone here. 495 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,080 We do have a new member, um Daniel Ochoa 496 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:24,840 Jr., who was confirmed by city council 497 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,960 last week. Unfortunately, he could not 498 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:28,240 make the meeting, but it was a quick 499 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,520 turnaround since confirmation to getting 500 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,200 that there. So, he will be occupying 501 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,640 position three. And um we're excited to 502 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,400 have a full uh full roster on the 503 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,200 planning commission moving forward. 504 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,000 >> Yeah, that's great. Thank you. 505 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:42,120 >> Yep. 506 00:20:42,120 --> 00:20:44,280 >> Um commissioners, have any uh discussion 507 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,160 items you want to 508 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:55,110 ask or review? 509 00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:56,520 Yeah, because 510 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,280 Yeah, it's a 511 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,080 It was just for our information, pretty 512 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:01,320 much, and then 513 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:02,760 we'll be able to discuss it when it's on 514 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,520 the agenda for 515 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,480 >> When when when we get to item 7.1, we'll 516 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,160 go through the protocols of what we're 517 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,080 seeking here this evening 518 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,360 and future opportunities for full public 519 00:21:14,360 --> 00:21:14,920 hearing. 520 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,000 >> Yeah. 521 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,520 Okay. Well, if there's no further 522 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:20,400 uh 523 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,000 no further discussion items uh 524 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,960 the agenda bill that you have as a PDF 525 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,360 is that uh something uh 526 00:21:29,360 --> 00:21:30,720 that you I have down here agenda bill 527 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,720 PDF? What am I 528 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:33,200 Is is that 529 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,520 >> So, we're moving to 530 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,600 the specific discussion items now? 531 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,160 >> Yeah. That's That's what we want to 532 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:40,720 review right now. 533 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:41,960 >> Yeah, that's next in the order if 534 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:43,840 there's no specific just general 535 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:45,160 discussion items from the planning 536 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:46,240 commission. 537 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:47,680 Then we can go into the site. 538 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,280 >> Okay. 539 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,440 Do we need to open that as a 540 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,680 >> No, it's not a hearing. Um 541 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,240 so, I will just 542 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,400 do an introduction. Thank you um Mr. 543 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:00,440 Chairman, members of the planning 544 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:01,520 commission. Good evening. For the 545 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:02,920 record, Zach Rackhay, community 546 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:04,360 development director. So, the item 547 00:22:04,360 --> 00:22:06,640 brought before you this evening was for 548 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,320 um discussion 549 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,240 as we heard a public comment as you've 550 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,440 seen in your staff report. Um we did 551 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,640 have a sign approved in 552 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,040 um 553 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:18,680 sort of the highway interchange area 554 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,400 that was out of compliance. And as part 555 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,600 of that, we identified an opportunity 556 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,080 within our code to see if planning 557 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,120 commission would entertain a 558 00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:31,920 district of um 559 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:33,680 district of special control is allowed 560 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,920 within section 8 to a 18 special 561 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,640 provisions of our sign code. So, the 562 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,560 idea here was to seek if planning 563 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,480 commission wants to entertain this at 564 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,560 which point the direction from planning 565 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,160 commission would be for staff to do the 566 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,720 research, draft the analysis, see if an 567 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,680 ordinance to allow this is feasible, and 568 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,200 then the process would be to take that 569 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,240 to planning commission at a public 570 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:58,360 hearing, 571 00:22:58,360 --> 00:22:59,960 um which would have proper notice and 572 00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:01,480 advertisement. 573 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:02,960 Um you would have a lot more information 574 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,840 to disseminate at that point as well. 575 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:07,760 Um, and then that would seek a planning 576 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,800 commission recommendation of approval or 577 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,160 denial to the city council. So, 578 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:14,360 what we've seen is we've seen some of 579 00:23:14,360 --> 00:23:16,640 the background here is in this region of 580 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,760 the city, there are um, you know, your 581 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,440 highway travel stops, your gas stations, 582 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,400 things like that. Um, we had an 583 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,040 application for a sign that uh, was for 584 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,640 40 ft tall. The limitation is 20 ft. Um, 585 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,600 so in order to see how we can address 586 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,760 the legal non-conforming signage in that 587 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,480 area or how we can even go see it what 588 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:38,880 was that approved with the prior 589 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,840 ordinance? Um, 590 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,000 was that approved without a permit? And 591 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,680 do that research. We want to at least 592 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,440 take planning commission's temperature 593 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:47,840 if this is an item that the planning 594 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,120 commission would like to consider at 595 00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:50,800 their September meeting. 596 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,280 Um, which would therefore be a public 597 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,400 hearing and have 598 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:55,320 some more of the historical 599 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,440 documentation behind it, um, analysis of 600 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,520 the current situation in that area as 601 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,200 well. Um, this is one region of the city 602 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,360 that our code would allow to 603 00:24:06,360 --> 00:24:07,920 uh, go under a district of special 604 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,160 control. 605 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,920 Um, however, questions at the time of on 606 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,440 the sign code and just some of the other 607 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,000 things can certainly be taken at that 608 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,600 time, too. But 609 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,040 this was one of those items where we 610 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:20,080 wanted to just bring it to the planning 611 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:21,760 commission. Would you want to hear it 612 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,040 from staff? At which point we would uh, 613 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:25,760 prepare full analysis and bring it at a 614 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,150 later date. 615 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:30,880 » It's it's it's quite interesting that, 616 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,360 you know, in in the 6-7 years I've been 617 00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:34,560 on the planning commission, we really 618 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,360 haven't had sign um, applications that 619 00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:38,920 I'm aware of. It so doesn't seem like 620 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,240 something that's very common for us. 621 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:42,680 But what what we've been hearing tonight 622 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,640 is it's important to make sure that it's 623 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,920 fair consistent and thought through. Um, 624 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,080 so I I think we're quite a bit in the 625 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,680 dark as a commission on on this and and 626 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,080 hearing a report would be a very good 627 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,000 thing and gathering some information 628 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,040 from the public in that report would 629 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,600 probably be a great idea. Is that Is 630 00:24:58,600 --> 00:24:59,600 that what you have in mind? 631 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:00,800 >> Yeah, that's what we have in mind. So, 632 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,200 typically our sign code is going to be 633 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,360 administrative in nature. It is governed 634 00:25:04,360 --> 00:25:06,120 by our building regulation section of 635 00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:09,800 the city code. Um there is a variance 636 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,200 opportunity for uh 637 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,880 to to you know, achieve a variance to a 638 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,200 sign code approval or denial. That would 639 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,160 go to planning commission, but a lot of 640 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:20,680 the activities with signage we just 641 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,880 don't see come up in this regard. So, 642 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,280 um and our sign code was last updated in 643 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,080 the year 2002. So, 644 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:29,640 uh 645 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,120 any like anything with our our 646 00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:32,320 development or building code 647 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,720 regulations, any updates of to that from 648 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,360 a legislative basis would come in front 649 00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:38,600 of the planning commission. So, 650 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,160 um perhaps 651 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,640 it it is an opportunity to educate 652 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:44,800 planning commission a little bit more on 653 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,400 sign code. I think that's an area that 654 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,440 community development uh 655 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,680 certainly facilitates for the community 656 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:51,400 um 657 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,480 as we look at this specific case and 658 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:54,880 everything as well. 659 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:55,600 >> It's 660 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,720 >> I've certainly seen this in different 661 00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:58,760 communities when I lived in 662 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,400 Pennsylvania, when I lived in in 663 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,400 Virginia where there's a lot of taller 664 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,400 signs by the road. I don't I think it 665 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,600 could be very good. You know, it's it 666 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:07,920 could be a positive, but I know they're 667 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,400 going to let people There are going to 668 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,440 be people with heartburn for it. So, I 669 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,840 think a report would be great. I would I 670 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,280 would love to hear and even maybe what 671 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,720 they said about it in 2002. What was the 672 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,360 problem with any taller signs then? That 673 00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:22,480 would be wonderful. 674 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,320 >> In preparing a a staff report, what is 675 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:26,880 there a process for the public to be 676 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,640 able to help get with you or do they 677 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,240 just How how how How would you make it a 678 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,480 open for people to contribute? 679 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:34,360 >> Certainly [clears throat] I'm open to 680 00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:36,040 meeting with the public, whether it's 681 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,520 property owners, whether it's um people 682 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,440 in the signage industry uh at at any 683 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,800 time with this. Um what we would look at 684 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,440 is just 685 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:46,800 probably 686 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,160 Yeah, we'd be open to taking 687 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:50,760 comment and consideration at that point 688 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:51,800 as well. 689 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,680 Um I think our our our usual intent, you 690 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,680 know, um, or process is to look purely 691 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,160 at the code and the applications and 692 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,720 what's the scene in the in the in the community itself, whether it's a 693 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,200 larger sign 694 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,120 um, doing the research on how those were 695 00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:08,600 approved. Was that done through a 696 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,560 conditional use review? Was that done 697 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,560 through a variance process? Was that 698 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,000 done prior to the sign code change? Um, 699 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,280 and just kind of provide that 700 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,400 information to the planning commission. 701 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:20,960 So, I don't want to speculate on what 702 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,400 would be in the report, but we can 703 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:23,560 certainly 704 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,080 prepare a well-detailed report for this. 705 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,120 Um, bring it back at September as well. 706 00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:29,640 So, we just know we meet with the 707 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,960 planning commission once a month. 708 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,320 And, um, with uh 709 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,160 this coming up fairly recently, we 710 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,640 wanted at least 711 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,000 seek guidance from planning commission. 712 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,560 Is it something, oh, no, we don't want 713 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,680 to address the sign code at all, or yes, 714 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,840 please provide us more information and something to consider at the 715 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,480 September meeting. 716 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,400 >> Well, I I personally appreciate uh 717 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,680 the it being in in here even before Chad 718 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,280 and and and Edward, right? Um, pres- 719 00:27:58,280 --> 00:27:59,200 pra- 720 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:00,640 had their comments today in the sign 721 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,000 men, but um cuz just reading it, it made 722 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,560 me start to think, too, about oh, yeah, 723 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,880 why do we have signage or not have 724 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,000 signage in certain places and just 725 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,520 reading through this and again, I know 726 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,400 it was just conceptual, the the drawing, 727 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,560 but it made me start to go, well, 728 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,360 what about other areas that potentially 729 00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:20,360 cuz again, Umatilla has changed a lot 730 00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:22,240 since 2002. 731 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,000 Uh I'll say this, you know, over and 732 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,920 over. We were 3,000 people for 50 years 733 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,640 and we were going to be 3,000 people for 734 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,800 another 50 years and in 20 years, a lot 735 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,600 has changed. So, I think it would be 736 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,400 beneficial to just review all of that 737 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,040 cuz, um, it I couldn't help but think of 738 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,720 uh I was in Utah just this last month 739 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,800 and my wife and I were joking that it's 740 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,840 billboard heaven and 741 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,800 or hell, depending on how you look at 742 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,520 it. Like there's literally billboards 743 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,400 everywhere along I-80 744 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,080 or I-15, excuse me. Like from you know 745 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:00,800 from the beginning to the end in the 746 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,000 middle of nowhere and I was just you 747 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,680 know so just started getting me thinking 748 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,360 about like what what does this variance 749 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,280 then open up 750 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,160 and what other areas because we do have 751 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,000 you know further stretch of freeway. We 752 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,400 do have 73395 interchange. You could 753 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,240 start to make an argument could be 754 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,040 considered. Again, I'm not saying they 755 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,520 should be but I'm just saying that that 756 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,200 our community has changed a lot in 20 757 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,400 years and it is definitely time for us 758 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,320 to maybe look at this holistically and I 759 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,280 appreciate Seaman coming and pointing 760 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,160 out some additional resources. There is 761 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,440 some international standards that could 762 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,320 make your job a lot of you not that I 763 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,440 need to do it but your job a lot easier 764 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,200 in terms of codifying and someone else 765 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,960 has already done a lot of the research 766 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,800 and pointed out what just because 767 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,360 somebody wants a sign doesn't mean that 768 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,440 that's now how big the sign really needs 769 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,840 to be to meet the goals that they are 770 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,640 anticipating. So 771 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,760 anyway, I I'm excited. I appreciate you 772 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,280 guys coming and I definitely would 773 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:04,720 support 774 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:09,640 a review of our sign code if you will 775 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,040 not just of this particular area because 776 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,360 I think this particular area open opens 777 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,080 up a lot of other potential questions 778 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,000 and and it's probably a better idea that 779 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,080 we look at it holistically and its 780 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,960 effects on 781 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,360 you know other areas of the community. 782 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,080 >> All right, thank you. 783 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,280 And and just for clarity, 784 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,640 when you when you prepare a report for 785 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,880 us and we we do review that, it will be 786 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,280 public input and they can get further 787 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,040 input and there won't be a there won't 788 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,680 be a meeting that will be setting code 789 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,160 at. That's just started the process. We 790 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:44,840 could take that input and continue from 791 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,000 there, correct? 792 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,680 >> So, if we're if we're looking at a 793 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,360 review of the entire sign code, that 794 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,560 might not be the September meeting, 795 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,360 um just because of resources, um things 796 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,360 like that we'd have to look at. 797 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,160 Uh just the breadth of what that would 798 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,440 be. Um if planning commission wishes to 799 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,520 consider the district a special control, 800 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,080 we can certainly provide the background 801 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,880 specific to this 802 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,640 um this case, this idea, this ordinance 803 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,360 change. That would be an ordinance 804 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,240 change through our legislative process, 805 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,640 which means it would be a public hearing 806 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,160 um with notice within our policies and 807 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,160 regulations, and then it would have to 808 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:23,800 go to city council for a public hearing 809 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,680 as well, and two readings of an 810 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,240 ordinance. So, 811 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,240 it's not just a simple yes or no vote 812 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,680 just among staff and commission. 813 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:32,320 Um 814 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,080 Should we should 815 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:35,600 planning commission direct us to pursue 816 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,040 this for consideration, not pursue it 817 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:39,680 for approval or denial, but for 818 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,200 consideration, 819 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,080 then it would be noticed through our 820 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:44,600 public hearing processes. 821 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,080 >> The I get the I'm not asking the 822 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,680 question clearly enough, I don't think, 823 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,280 but the thing I'm trying to uh 824 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,000 understand a little more is obviously 825 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,160 when we bring it to a meeting, there is 826 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,320 an opportunity for public input based on 827 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,080 all of this that we've heard in the in 828 00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,960 the comments tonight, there almost seems 829 00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:01,800 to be a greater need for that to 830 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,960 interface, and and like you said, you're 831 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,280 welcoming that while you prepare the 832 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,080 report, that might be part of it. And 833 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,040 then at this meeting, uh when then we 834 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,120 get the public input, and we go to to 835 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,200 consider what those things are, 836 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,480 this seems like it has the need to have 837 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,240 more of a public interface, or I don't 838 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:19,880 know about public, but the industry to 839 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,320 help us assist us through that. And and 840 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,440 uh I haven't seen us do that. You guys 841 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:25,880 probably do that yourselves when you 842 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,880 present the So, that's why I'm I'm 843 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,280 trying to be a little conservative what I've said and what they're 844 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:31,800 >> You certainly 845 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,280 >> and how will we how will make that 846 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,280 functional with with uh as we work 847 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:36,120 through this. 848 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:37,960 >> Yeah, certainly. And I mean, we spoke 849 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,120 with the commenters this this evening at 850 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,520 least just anecdotally that we do have 851 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:43,680 another 852 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,720 um sign discussion elsewhere in the 853 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,120 community. Um so, we're trying to set up 854 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,920 a time to talk about this. And certainly 855 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,400 would love to have a sit-down and and 856 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,960 talk about this and just overall signage 857 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,520 as well as we 858 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,320 It's all part of our research. So. 859 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,200 >> Well, do we need a motion for to ask you 860 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:01,120 to to do that? 861 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,480 >> Not certainly need a motion, I think. If 862 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,480 it's just general consensus of direction 863 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,080 to pursue this, then we can prepare 864 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,200 something for September. 865 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,280 >> I think Jared said you're interested. 866 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,160 >> Yeah, no. I would love 867 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,160 to Well, if you want a motion, you don't 868 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:16,800 need one, right? You just consensus. 869 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:17,560 >> Not in discussion. 870 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,640 >> I would worry about I again, I know that 871 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,240 what you're cuz again, correct me if I'm 872 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:24,360 wrong, 873 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,920 but process-wise, this was initiated 874 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,920 because we've had a request for 875 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,400 potential variance. 876 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:33,160 Correct? 877 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,520 >> This was initiated 878 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,040 on a mistaken approval for a sign that 879 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,240 was out of compliance. 880 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:41,640 >> So, 881 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,080 a sign's already been approved that is 882 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,320 out of compliance. Okay, got you. So, so 883 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,400 that's that's done. That's already in 884 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,200 the past. So, that's Yeah, 885 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,160 I I would like the larger 886 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:55,720 Say that again. 887 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,480 >> Um is it hanging? Is it out? 888 00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:57,920 >> No. 889 00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:58,320 >> Okay. 890 00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:58,560 >> No. 891 00:33:58,560 --> 00:33:59,240 >> That was my question. 892 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:00,360 >> But it's already been approved. So, 893 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,720 whatever. It's been approved, but um 894 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,040 uh I would rather, even if it takes 895 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,280 longer than September, 896 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,440 I would rather us look at the whole sign 897 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,159 code um and what that might mean. 898 00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:13,879 Because like I said, I think this is 899 00:34:13,879 --> 00:34:16,800 bigger than just the section of road 900 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,639 right next to the freeway where this one 901 00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:20,760 particular sign can go. 902 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,399 >> Um and we already have one issue with 903 00:34:23,399 --> 00:34:26,200 another sign in town and some questions 904 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,760 around that signage and with our sign 905 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,440 code and um and you know, I just talked 906 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,760 to Nancy about another sign this 907 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,440 somebody from the community asked me 908 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,440 about that I didn't know about either. 909 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,360 So again, I think it's just time. It's 910 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:41,760 just time to look at it more 911 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,560 holistically. Um, and that that's my 912 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,720 opinion. I would provide that direction 913 00:34:47,720 --> 00:34:48,960 for you guys to 914 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:49,440 >> Okay. 915 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,120 >> to go to work and I'm not saying it 916 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:52,639 needs to be done, you know, by 917 00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:55,360 September, but um, 918 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,280 understanding that we've got a lot 919 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:58,600 there's a lot going on in the next 920 00:34:58,600 --> 00:34:59,440 couple of months, too. 921 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:00,440 >> Yes. 922 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,120 >> So we trust you guys and you you really 923 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,920 lead us and and help us as far as like, 924 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,200 you know, what the best thing to do is. 925 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,240 Would it be best to address this first 926 00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:11,000 and then go on to changing the code, or 927 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,480 should we change the, you know, work on changing the code and then 928 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,040 address this? That would probably put 929 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,550 these other people off. 930 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,160 » We would have to look at just the 931 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:22,600 timing, so 932 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:23,320 >> Right. 933 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:24,720 >> changing the sign code is going to 934 00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:26,280 require 935 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:27,160 >> a lot 936 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,280 >> amount research, assistance, it's going 937 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,680 to require public input, public open 938 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,080 houses, public hearings. 939 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,960 Um, that's also something that's not in 940 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,200 our budget currently, either. So that 941 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,520 would require direction from city 942 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,000 council and leadership, and it could 943 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,440 definitely be something we put into the 944 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:45,640 budget. 945 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,920 So, um, 946 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,080 >> If an applicant makes 947 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,240 >> the timeline with especially a 948 00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:52,720 significant sign code, and as our 949 00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:54,720 commenters this evening had had said, 950 00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:57,360 you know, it does require public input 951 00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:58,840 and outreach. 952 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,200 Um, so it's not going to be something 953 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:01,400 that we can do over the next couple of 954 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:02,680 months. 955 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,400 >> Um, it does it does appear that we would 956 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,680 like you to pre- prepare that it it and 957 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,320 it if an applicant makes a an 958 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,840 application prior to us changing a code, 959 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,800 we have to respond to it with the code 960 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,440 we have, cuz we haven't changed it yet 961 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,920 probably. And and but we do need to have 962 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,120 make sure that we're aware we're not 963 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,800 just glossing over. We need to put a 964 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,080 light on it and and follow, make sure it 965 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:24,640 follows the code based on what we've 966 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,640 seen. So we can we can be a little more 967 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,600 sensitive about those but while we're 968 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,440 getting this but I don't think we could 969 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,040 we can't put applicants off until we 970 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,440 have a code change, correct? 971 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:35,360 >> I 972 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:36,680 wouldn't be able to answer that. That 973 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:37,600 would be more 974 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:38,200 >> Yeah. 975 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:39,600 >> city attorney 976 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,840 question but that certainly with our 977 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,960 conversation this evening too this is 978 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,400 answers that I can get for the planning 979 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:46,160 commission. 980 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,200 >> Okay. Okay, well yeah with I think the 981 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,520 consensus is that we'd love to to get 982 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,360 more information and and follow up with 983 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:53,120 this. 984 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,510 >> Okay. [snorts] 985 00:36:55,520 --> 00:37:07,550 Thank you. 986 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,400 » Okay, I think that probably 987 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:11,920 concludes 988 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,200 the discussion item 8.1. Is there any 989 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,240 other additional discussion? 990 00:37:17,240 --> 00:37:18,400 >> Uh we have no other items for the 991 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,920 planning commission this evening so 992 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,320 uh we will likely have we do have some 993 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,200 land use actions that are currently 994 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,480 under application that will be most 995 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,480 likely coming to be heard 996 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:30,840 uh at the planning commission in 997 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,760 September. Our next meeting is September 998 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,960 22nd at 6:30 p.m. That's the week of 999 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,680 Rock the Locks so we expect everyone to 1000 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,320 be in town and then 1001 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:40,560 heading over to help with the festival 1002 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,560 after that but we are open for business 1003 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:43,920 that week so we'll be hosting our 1004 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,760 September meeting on that evening. 1005 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,680 >> Uh should we wear our 80s glam rock uh 1006 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,880 outfits that week or just 1007 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,920 >> I think it's it's entirely up to 1008 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,520 everybody. It's up to you if you want to 1009 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:56,360 yeah. 1010 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,320 >> I think they're up to the 90s now. 1011 00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:59,880 There's little less 80s going on. 1012 00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:02,240 There's more 90s early 2000s so they're 1013 00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:05,830 going out of style. 1014 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,840 » If there's no additional information we 1015 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,480 can we entertain a motion to adjourn? 1016 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,080 >> It's up to you and the planning 1017 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:15,400 commission. 1018 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,320 >> I motion to adjourn our meeting. 1019 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,341 >> I second. 1020 00:38:22,351 --> 00:38:33,870 » [laughter] 1021 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,000 » Commissioner Tesch? 1022 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:36,960 >> I. 1023 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,920 >> Commissioner 1024 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:40,480 Lom Tejeda? 1025 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:41,960 >> I. 1026 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,840 >> Commissioner Puerta? 1027 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:45,360 >> I. 1028 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:46,560 >> And Commissioner Jones? 1029 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:47,360 >> I. 1030 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:48,680 >> Meeting has been adjourned. 1031 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,120 >> Okay, we are adjourned. And and and 1032 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:52,600 Chad, thank you very much for your 1033 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,160 taking the time to come in and share 1034 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,150 with us. Appreciate it. 1035 00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:59,040 » I. 1036 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,360 I I I I.