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To the Tuesday, January 6, 2028, meeting of the City of University FAR. We begin our meeting with an installation of a prayer followed by the pledge of allegiance. Please rise.

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Invocation be given by City Attorney Rob Dylan.

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Here, Heavenly Father, as we begin a new year, we thank you for the many blessings of this life. We pray that you will continue to watch over us and lead us

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on our daily walk with you today we ask for your blessing hand your guiding

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hand on the City Council as they deal with the serious issues that come

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before them give them wisdom and courage to make the decisions that will be in

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the best interest of our city and its citizens we also ask for your blessing on all

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the officers and employees of the city as they provide services to the city and its

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presence with great skill and perseverance and send your name that we pray. Amen.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which

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it stands, formation under God, indivisible, liberty and justice for all.

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Next we'll have introduction to the council and the start on my left for a lift.

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Melissa Riemann, Councilman.

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Tom E. Stewart, Mayor.

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Mark Aldridge, Mayor Prudem.

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Bob Myers, Councilman.

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Robbie, can you introduce staff that's present?

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Sure, my name's Robbie Corder, the city manager.

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The other in the dice is Rob Dillard, our city attorney.

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Against the wall, it's my right, but the audience left.

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We have Shanna Sim's Bradish, who is our assistant city manager.

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Andy Attentio is our information resources director.

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At the computer at front, we have Christine Green, our city secretary.

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Next to her is Amanda Hartwick, our special projects coordinator.

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Yandamanda is Randy Howell, our fire chief.

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Next to him is Bill Mathis, our chief of police.

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Behind Bill is Katie Barron, our director of engineering.

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Next to her is Keegan Literal, our director of public works.

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Paige Rudy is in the back of the room.

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She is our community information officer.

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Next to her is Elizabeth Anderson, our purchasing manager.

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There's Jackie Lot at the back of the wall.

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She is our library director.

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next to her is to the Gregory, our human resources director.

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I think Nelson Walter is our assistant chief of police.

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Thank you, Robbie.

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New awards and recognition to when we get into the consent agenda, please.

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Gay, Marin Council members of the audience, the consent agenda are those items that are considered

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routine in nature and maybe passed with one motion and one vote.

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Tonight we have seven items on the consent agenda.

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The first item is the purchase of vehicles, these are two vehicles, one for the parks department.

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The second one for the sanitation department.

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The parts department is a planned replacement of a 2012 F250 dump truck.

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We are replacing it with the same vehicle.

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This is available from the by-board contract with Caldwell County Ford in the amount of $75,325.

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The next vehicle is a sanitation vehicle.

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This is a rear-loader, 2015 freight liner is being replaced with a 2027 freight liner with a 16 yard refuse body.

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This is a plan replacement as well.

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It's available on a tips contract with Dogget Freightliner of South Texas in the amount

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of $208,000, $215.81, both of those contracts meet the competitive bidding requirements

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that the city has for purchases.

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The second item on the consent agenda is a modification to an existing residential parking

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district.

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This is going to be on the 2,900 block of Rosedale, specifically at the corner of Rosedale

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and Dublin.

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This will add the west curb line to the residential parking district, excuse me.

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This will add the east curb line of the residential parking district along Dublin, whereas the western side is already marked.

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And the property owner on this corner has submitted the approval for this change.

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The next couple payments are related to the city's recently completed Snyder Plaza Improvements project.

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The first one is the final payment to SYB, which was the large general contractor on this project.

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So the final payment is in the amount of $946,834, which brings the total final payment or total final project cost to just over 18.9 million.

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The next item is the final payment's SRH landscape SRH to the...

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Large and the medium size trees as part of this project. For the large tree contract, the final payment is in the amount of $11,365, which brings the final project total to $227,000. The medium size contract is in the amount of $9,027 for the final payment, which brings the total project cost of $280,543. The next item on your consent agenda is a proposal from our security and access control system.

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This is for our new public training, public safety training facility on Fonder and Boulevard.

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We're nearing completion of that particular project and the last time that remains are the security

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elements for that building the interior and the exterior cameras as well as the door access.

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The total cost of that particular contract is $88,815.

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That includes all the installation and the materials needed to complete that.

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And then finally you have the minutes from the December 16th, 2025, so the council meeting.

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Thank you, Robbie.

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Any changes or comments?

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No.

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No, I need a motion, please.

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Mayor, I would move approval of the consent agenda.

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I'll second it.

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Motion in a second.

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Melissa Rieman.

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Aye.

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Phil Filbert.

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Aye.

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Mark Aldridge.

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Aye.

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Bob Myers.

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Aye.

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The mayor votes aye and passes.

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Robbie, we're getting ready to get into the main agenda.

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Let me make a comment for everybody that's here.

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Before we take comments, let me go over the guidelines again with you all.

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When you come to the microphone, clearly state your name and address for our records.

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To ensure everybody has an opportunity to speak, I'm going to limit everybody to one minute.

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That sounds like an awful short time, but please work at it.

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We ask the speakers way to be recognized and refrain from speaking when not your turn.

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Thank you for your cooperation, and let's get started.

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Okay, Mayor and Council, the first item on the manager in this evening is to consider proposed ordinance, which would order a special election for Saturday, May 2nd, 2026, to dissolve the city's membership in the Dallas area rapid transit system.

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This is a statutory requirement, Chapter 452 related to the city's membership.

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We had a meeting yesterday with dart officials to have an open communication about it.

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staff is certainly able to answer any questions you might have on the ordinance itself, but I would turn it over to you mayor and any comments on this.

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I think most of y'all know we had a meeting yesterday with Dart and it was very productive and very informative.

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We had a meeting with Dart yesterday. It was very informative and very productive.

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We're going to carry over the meeting and some of the items we're going to hear tonight.

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we talked about over there. So, Robbie, let's get started.

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Okay, Mary, are you ready to call folks that want to comment on the proposed ordinance?

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Yes.

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First of all, I have to speak as Walt Human.

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So, Walt come in. Walt, are you ready to talk?

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Yes, sir.

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Only one minute. I have a paper that I'd like to add to you. My name is Walt Human.

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I've been a resident of U-Earth University Park for 50 years.

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I urge you to vote no on holding over the trial of election.

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But Dard has got to improve both in terms of marketing, security, safety, increase in

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ridership.

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One reason for withdrawing is because of the state of Texas's past laws that have cramped

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down one city's that are members of Dart by trying to squeeze on the head

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to lower taxes. That's time that you're paying 1% other non-dark cities are

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free and not paying that. But what you've done is created public transportation

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Thank you very much.

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I apologize for folks. Those stairs have gone a lot taller over the last 15 years. We worked

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thousands of hours at 200,000 volunteers to help us in 1983 passing the dark election.

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Transit is for those who without cars or handicapped or for people in New York's park, they

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I would like a better way to get around.

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It's infinitely more difficult to create a transit system

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than it is to pass a bill to create a new park and so forth.

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But that's what you did.

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I'd like to relate one instance.

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When we were doing the Norse Central project

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after I hit the Norse Central, the guard task force,

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we ran into an impediment two days before we was supposed

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was to have an inked deal with the state of Texas,

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the chairman told me of Tex-Dot.

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We're not putting any more money in.

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And it turns out there was a pipeline

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that ran parallel to central in the right away

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of University Park.

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The next day, that day, I called Don Hausman,

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who was the chair of the University Park,

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explain the problem to it and within 24 hours he's back and said we'll cover that cost.

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It's at our right away. As a result of that two days later the mayor of the four cities,

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the governor and the head of the Kitex dot came down and we inked what is today a $1 billion

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deal that got accomplished. Why on earth would the university part do that?

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The city of Dallas would benefit richest in a larger city than us would benefit because

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that's an R-D-N-A to help others.

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There are other instances.

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Who's the first to jump on board on civic institutions and when they're trying to build

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and expand the university park?

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Residents are doing that.

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And in this particular case, on August 13, 1983, our citizens voted 76% in favor of

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creating Jorp.

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76% the New York Times call this a line slide for public transportation in the South

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of South.

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I urge you to vote no on this withdrawal.

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All works, please work to improve Dart, encourage ridership, and work with the state legislators

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to improve the situation and take off the squeeze that are on cities that are in favor

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of Dart.

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I'd like to ask you any questions and apologize for being late.

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I couldn't find a handicap part of this.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Kevin Norfleet.

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Good evening.

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My name is Kevin Norfleet.

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I live in the 2,900 block of Southwestern.

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I'd urge you to vote no to this ordinance.

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I'm a frequent user of Dart.

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As a resident of this community, GoLink is an incredible program.

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The ability to get to the airport from my door or back home for $3 is remarkable.

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But I'm also a frequent user of the Park and Ride at Mockingbird Station to be able to go

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to advance downtown to go to Fair Park places like that.

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However, while I appreciate Dart for the amenities and

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the ability to access place in the Metroplex without having to fight for parking and things like that,

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I think the stronger value of Dart is what it does to protect the area we live in as the center of gravity of the Metroplex.

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Allowing Dart to languish in hollow out, I think enables the center of things to move to the northern suburbs.

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and I think that is bad for University Park.

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I think to ensure the long-term future and the prosperity of this community,

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we need a strong dark, we need a strong Dallas, and we need this community

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to have highly functional, valuable mass transit systems that we can continue to grow and thrive.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Trying to gain a game strength, a game strength,

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and so I have here

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Peter Young.

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My name is Peter Young. I live at 3200 St. John's Drive in Halem Park. I used art almost every day to get around without worrying about traffic or parking. I have loved that the park sees Golding Zone has made it easy and cheap to go between locations in our two towns and places in Dallas like Inwood Village. I've been concerned reading the pull-out motions not just from you to your soup park, but in my town and three others that have called for a referendum on this point. The ordinance proposed to this body sites that there are no real operations within the town boards. And while right, while true, Lover's Lane Station and Montgomery Station were both within

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and 300 meters of town borders.

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And I've direct-boarded door service to park cities

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through darts, but going to micro transit.

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This ordinance parallels the methodology

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off-sighted and the EY study,

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and does not consider these stations

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as serving the town in their financial analysis.

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I urge you all to reconsider,

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or consider voting down ordinance,

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and that's it, that's, thank you for your time.

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Thank you, Peter.

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Randall Bryant.

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Good evening.

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Mayor council, the city manager, Randall Bryant, chair of the board for DOS Air Rapid Transit.

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I don't know if there's more that we can add from the robust conversation that we had on

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yesterday.

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I do appreciate the spirited debate and the questions and hopefully we answered all of them

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to your satisfaction.

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I think I made a little bit of a joke yesterday and said that you know you're going to all

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showed us some great hospitality in the conference room and you've showed us now you're a wonderful

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chambers and I guess now we just asked to be showing some hospitality in a private room and

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so that we can continue to work on these issues. Yesterday we talked about governance, we talked

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about funding. Today I made good on a promise that I made yesterday about the governance

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structure and hopefully you all received a letter from me to the Dallas City Council requesting

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for the T and I committed to take up that governance bill which I believe will help

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this city as well as all of our member cities and then of course is the funding bill which

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we still need to work on and I do believe that there's time to work on that.

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Dart does not need any additional cities to call for this election right now to make us

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understand this the severity and the seriousness that this issue is that won't be accomplished

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by adding one more city to that pile and they get the other day as I said on yesterday

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Today, I believe all the cities or the majority of the cities that have called for these elections have also sent over proposals to us for consideration to rescind those elections as well.

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And we believe we'll receive an updated proposal from the City of Plano as well.

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So we urge you to not take this vote tonight and continue supporting DART as you all have been in the past.

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Thank you.

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Good evening,

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City Council members and thank you for your service.

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I know only you want to speak for our situation, which is a personal one, but also for those

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who cannot attend the meeting tonight.

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My husband and I are the parents of a son Trevor who has autism.

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Trevor depends on dark prayer transit services every day to deliver him home from his job at

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Jarvis Press. He is unable to navigate the bus and the train system. Rick

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Streamy, please, with a level of service that we currently receive. It's been a

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lifeline for our family, allowing Trevor to maintain some independence and stay

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connected to his community. Many of the elderly that live in our community and

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those with disabilities live on fixed incomes and already face significant

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challenges. Although lift and Uber are available for many, the expense can be

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prohibitive in the long run. For this population, reliable and affordable transportation is not a convenience, it's a necessity.

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The proposal to the fund art will represent a serious disservice stripping away one of the few resources that enables independence and access to essential services.

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Transportation remains one of the most critical barriers for individuals with disabilities.

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Without access and affordable transportation, many aspects of daily life become difficult

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or impossible.

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Reliable transportation allows people with disabilities to get to work, job training,

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schools and universities.

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Many people with disabilities and those that no longer drive require regular medical appointments,

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therapy and specialized care.

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Accessible transportation ensures that they can attend appointments consistently, manage

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chronic conditions and maintain.

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Accessible transportation is designed to accommodate mobility services, sensory impairments, and other needs. Without proper services, individuals may be forced to use unsafe and unreliable alternatives. Equal access to transportation is a civil rights issue, laws such as the ADA require transportation systems to be accessible to people with disabilities.

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communities, and to have the same opportunities as everyone else.

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When people with disabilities can travel freely, communities benefit from greater workforce

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participation, consumer spending, and civic engagement.

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In short, accessible transportation is not a luxury for our kids.

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It's a necessity that enables people with disabilities to live a full, independent, and connected

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life.

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I've been greatly surprised by the number of my friends that live over here, and we've

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lived here for a long time, that don't even realize what pair transit and go-linked services

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are and what they provide to SMU and to UP.

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On one conversation, a friend of mine thought it was probably a good idea to drop out of

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Dart because the train system is so dangerous.

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When informed about Dart services that Trevor uses, she quickly changed her mind.

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Her response was, I had no idea.

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This is not about a bus ride down Preston Road or a travel train system that it entails

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much more.

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If this issue does not end up on the ballot in May perhaps do you the City Council

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or our mayor get some help communicate through the Arbor email perhaps or a personal email

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that defines exactly what Dart provides to our most vulnerable population.

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This would allow our citizens to make a more informed vote.

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I know the generosity of our city, and I have no doubt that they would be more than willing

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to continue to use the penny sales tax to support this vital service.

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And I would like to ask one question.

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We leave what alternative services will be available, and is it possible just to keep a portion,

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for instance, per transit for our kids?

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Thank you for the opportunity.

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If I can address your question because I was very sensitive to the paratransit in particular.

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Nobody knows about paratransit.

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And I asked just yesterday what the cost was for each paratransit ride and they said $65.

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Using darts numbers, and I questioned some of darts numbers, last year we had 702 paratransit rides.

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So we can, and by the way, it's a third party contractor that provides that service to darts.

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So we could contract with that same third-party provider that Dart contracts with for $65.

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Those 702 rides would cost us $45,630 a year.

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And in a minute, I'll get to how much we've contributed to Dart and

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what it will cost us to stay in Dart for the next six years.

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But for the paratransit, that's the reason I asked that specific question.

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Is that cost to the city would be $45,630 a year using

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large numbers for last year.

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I would pay $45,000 a year for my son to keep to bear

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transit.

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Understood?

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Thank you.

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That's why I investigated exactly that question.

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I greatly appreciate it.

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And Bobby Young, it's Texas with you.

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I know.

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Mr. Collier, you lived at $29.41, right?

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I'm sorry.

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You lived at $29.41, Milton?

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Yes, sir.

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I was closed.

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Tammy Greenberg?

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Dear Mayor and University of St. Council, my name is Tammy Greenberg

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to play in the 75215 zip code.

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I wanted to express my strong support to Dart and to share my public transit, the stage

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of for me, and many others in our community.

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Have rely on Dart for 18 years.

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My daily community takes me from Cedar's era to work in Oakland, else the regular use

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wild 237 and go link to travel to University Park on Thursday night.

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We're often stop a high-end pop village, shop at Tom Thumb, yeah, look at Westwood, our

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I visit the University Park Library.

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My final destination also include one hill and Preston.

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Dart is vital too because I no longer drive due to anxiety, concerns beating,

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aggressive drivers, and complete stops.

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This cost of fly sharing service like Uber was cost me $15 to $18,

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just to get home is prohibitive expense that compared to Dart.

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Any addition or change to Dart service will serve in potential workers,

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including employees and nannies who depend on this service to go to work.

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Find Black Crom on Trans if often discussed.

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I'm tired of focusing on the series with a drive-

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I'm anxious as the U.S. and I also use the ANC app to the safety concerns at DART.

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I urge you to support DART finance service, thank you for your time and consideration.

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And every Saturday and Sunday, I go on the Hill in Preston to 37 to Sheriff Isle to go to services.

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But thank you, please consider it to save DART.

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I've been doing this for 18 years and never imagined me coming to University Park.

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Council, Holland Park, to talk about, to save, and Austin.

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I even went to Austin.

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That's how important this is for me and us.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Tammy.

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Then, Lee's Lee, Riddinson, help me a little bit, please.

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Oh, it's Lee's old bread, I'm at 34.29 a.m.

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Hurst, and I appreciate the opportunity to dress you all.

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So I also have an adult son with special needs.

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moved into University Park over 20 years ago because of my son and knowing how good the public schools were to support the special needs population.

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So Jacob went through higher through MIS, through Holland Park High School, through transition and is, this is his home.

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He now uses dark hair transit on a nearly daily basis to come home from his day program.

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I would question the 702 rides that dark says UP residents use on a yearly basis because

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just a little bit of math, if he's doing it four days a week, even with vacations, he's

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It's got well over 100 rides a year, every year, on dark pear transit.

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I can't get him to and from those places because I work.

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It's an essential part of keeping him active in the community,

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getting him out of the house, having him involved and engaged.

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My life in University Park with my son will not function without pear transit availability.

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That needs to be kept intact, thank you.

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Thank you.

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And just for the record, I'll let you know that Dart has told us for

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paratransit in physical year 25, it was 702 rides, in physical year 24, it was 1727 rides.

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And in physical year 23, it was 1514.

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Those are Dart's numbers and I'm just reading what they've provided us.

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Good evening, thank you all so much for the opportunity to speak.

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My name is Kim Rose-Devilp, I live at 4132 Hanover Street.

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I am here not only as a parent of a child with special needs.

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I have my daughter Caroline, who's 22 right here, about to age out of the

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Pacifica Public School System.

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But I'm also the chief development officer for the largest nonprofit in North Texas that serves adults within

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intellectual disabilities, my possibilities.

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We serve approximately 1,900 adults within intellectual disabilities across the state of Texas.

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Yes, and Caroline will be going to college there next year, when she graduates.

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And I am here also like Julie, and we're useful to tell you the impact that dark paratransit has on these families.

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I'm here to represent those who can't speak for themselves.

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At my possibilities, we serve on our day program approximately 650 adults during the weekdays.

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Of those adults who come 67% of them who use dark paratrans that come from outside of Plano.

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They come from cities like University Park, and the only way they can access meaningful day programs is by using the paratrans it's authority.

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So I'm going to ask you all to say no to this ordinance unless you create a second ordinance that provides a true alternative.

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And like you said, Mr. Philbin, that comes up with an alternative for our families in University Park to have paratransit services,

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whether that's going to day programs, that's going to jobs, that is going to respite opportunities,

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going to medical appointments, our families need to rely on this.

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We are so incredibly blessed to live in this community.

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And I know this community will do the right thing for these families because that is what we do as a community.

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We take care of those who can't take care of themselves.

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And so I just thank you for this opportunity to share our story and I'm happy to ask answer any questions on behalf of our organization or our family.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Congratulations on the Texas.

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Good

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evening, mayor, city council, town council, Mr. Manager. I'm Gary Slagel. I live a 21-bunker

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hill in Richardson, Texas. I have since joining Dart in 2011 represented University Park,

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Park, Holland Park, Richardson, and Addison.

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That's an appointed position and I appreciate the opportunity to work with this community.

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I ask you to vote no on this item.

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We have a lot of work in progress with the member cities including the University Park, City

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Council and Manager and Mayor.

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We've been talking for several months, we have more to do, and I would like to ask that you continue to let us work through that.

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As Chair Bryant said, we have issues that we're addressing, and part of that is certainly financing.

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And we've got work to do on, we've learned from talking to these members at this dais that there are a number of things we could do to improve the city.

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situation. We'd like to ask you to do that. We will not be settling any debt between

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now and in May, or issuing any debt. We have, so that would give you the opportunity

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to see what happens within the region, and also call your own election in November, should

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you think it's appropriate to do so. At no cost, really, to you. So I ask you to do that

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to consider it, and let us keep working together.

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Thank you so much.

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Alex, don't you?

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Ooh, yo, let me tell y'all something.

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As a black man in this city, a bunch of cracker jacks up

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in this, trying to limit the dark.

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I like to go, and I like to get the blunt,

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and I smoke on the blunt, Mayor Stewart.

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And I don't want to get in my dogs, challenger,

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and run over some of these people.

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So I need the bus, okay?

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As a black sophisticated individual, like myself.

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And I've got probation, I'm on probation.

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So if I get pulled over, I'm doing

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nine to ten years. So let me tell you something. If you outlawed this boy and I don't care

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of dark history, dead ass rioting today. I don't give a damn. All right, and you're the biggest

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honky in here. He's got white hair, honky looking much. David Duke looking, slave owning, mother

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trucker, trying to outlaw the

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trucker, jacks. Outlawed that boy. Oh, they're going to

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be in

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some better stores. Y'all better vote, and y'all better keep the dark in university park.

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That's in order for me and all the black Hebrew Israelites to ride with me.

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Thank you.

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I mean, that's all I've got to want to speak now.

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Anybody else want to speak to that sign up?

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I'll give you that opportunity.

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Yes, sir.

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Come here.

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Come here.

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Hello.

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My name is Shamsur Ganeshra.

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I'm an aspiring SME student.

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And I live in Frisco, Texas, some five, zero, three, five.

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I am speaking in opposition of item 25-306.

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I'm a member of the Douse Area Transit Alliance,

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otherwise known as data.

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My concerns are mainly with us, and me that college students would be heavily affected by a lack of being served along the 237 in the University Park.

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Additionally, given that the city is right next to the red orange and blue line, and is right next to Route 20, right across the border, the city would be free-loaning on service without paying into the system.

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Lastly, a few things about safety and service.

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I've wrote Dart alone many times and felt perfectly safe.

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Also, pair transit alone is not reliable, I'll be honest.

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It is the reason I got left stranded in two hours in Arlington, dead at night.

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We need to depend on fixed route too, fixed route is a much more-

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We're dependable, reliable service, and I'm not saying that we should get rid of pair transit. We need pair transit for the plentiful of disabled writers or writers who are mobility impaired, but it alone is not going to be the right solution. Putting more cars on the road is not the solution. We need mass transit that is reliable and dependable. Thank you. I yield my time.

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I miss anybody.

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Mayor, can I start? Yes. Thank you. And let me start with while I understand and believe in the value of safe.

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safe, clean, and reliable regional public transportation.

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I'm concerned about Dart's model and Dart's model in particular about how it applies to the University Park.

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Last night, thank you to Dart for coming and having a robust discussion about these issues.

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I raised three points with Dart last night.

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One, as Walt Human mentioned, and when he spoke, the competitive disadvantage that the City of University Park is at,

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that compared to competitor cities to the north that have chosen not to become a member of Dart.

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Mr. Court, can you summarize for our audience the competitive disadvantages that we have?

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Sure, and I'll kind of relay conversations you and I've had.

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And Mr. Human was right, the legislature is placed a significant financial burden on cities by lowering the ability of cities to levied property taxes.

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It's capped at 3.5%.

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That has made sales tax that much more important for cities and that's not just University Park

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that's every city in Texas.

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But when you ask me this question, I thought of a couple cities that were relevant to this

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discussion.

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The first one would be Capell and the second one would be Flower Mound.

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Both of those were original Dart cities that ended up getting out of Dart and by getting

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Getting out of Dart, what they were able to do is to add an additional penny to cost that they would otherwise be paying for out of their general fund.

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So for example, Capel has a half cent special 4B sales tax which goes towards parks projects.

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These are parks projects that for us, if they were similar projects, we would be paying for out of the general fund.

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These are being paid for out of a special revenue fund by the sales tax.

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They also have a quarter cent maintenance and repair of existing city streets.

448
00:37:33,070 --> 00:37:40,330
So any street overlay work, any type of project related to street improvements, street reconstruction could be paid for out of that sales tax.

449
00:37:41,070 --> 00:37:44,210
The remaining quarter cent that they have is for a crime control and prevention district.

450
00:37:44,370 --> 00:37:48,310
So this could be directly for police and fire salaries or police salaries.

451
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:55,050
Flow amount is a little different based upon kind of some of their budgetary documents.

452
00:37:55,230 --> 00:37:59,370
They have a one and a half percent sale tax that goes directly to the general fund.

453
00:37:59,790 --> 00:38:01,690
We're capped at 1 percent in that regard.

454
00:38:02,130 --> 00:38:05,230
Then they have a quarter cent crime control and prevention district.

455
00:38:05,230 --> 00:38:11,510
This allows for any type of police or crime prevention costs to go into that district.

456
00:38:11,950 --> 00:38:15,510
The other quarter percent goes into a fire control and prevention and emergency medical.

457
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:24,310
So by the city paying a penny into Dart, it prohibits us from adopting another additional sales tax to pay for these types of cost.

458
00:38:24,570 --> 00:38:26,370
And these are all general fund types of costs.

459
00:38:26,530 --> 00:38:30,730
These are things that we pay for primarily out of our property tax.

460
00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:32,710
I hope that answers your question.

461
00:38:32,770 --> 00:38:33,750
I'm happy to answer any others.

462
00:38:34,170 --> 00:38:34,950
Thank you, Mr. Court.

463
00:38:35,490 --> 00:38:40,950
The other two issues I raised with Dart last night were debt and proportionality.

464
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:45,810
And when I started thinking about Dart and run in some numbers,

465
00:38:46,650 --> 00:38:49,170
the first number everyone says is sales tax.

466
00:38:49,890 --> 00:38:55,430
And from Dart's inception to this year, the University Park Sales Tax that has been

467
00:38:55,430 --> 00:39:00,310
contributed to Dart is $122,063,904.

468
00:39:01,730 --> 00:39:03,150
That's a large number.

469
00:39:05,420 --> 00:39:09,040
There's another piece, the debt and general obligations.

470
00:39:09,700 --> 00:39:12,800
We've asked Dart for a calculation as have other cities.

471
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:23,860
And again, using Dart's numbers, which may be disputed, the net obligation that Dart has calculated that City of University Park owes based on

472
00:39:23,860 --> 00:39:36,140
In general, obligations of $9,766,711,312,

473
00:39:36,660 --> 00:39:45,140
Dart says we owe them an additional $91,721,650.

474
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:51,220
That includes billions and billions of debt that Dart has incurred.

475
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:59,750
So, looking backward, the City of University Park is being asked to contribute at least 200.

476
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:29,880
13 million dollars to dark. Much of which for commuter rail and light rail that dark shows to put elsewhere. But tonight, what we focus on is we only get the opportunity to withdraw from dark once every six years. So the question tonight is what's the cost of us to stay in dark for another six years. Using this year's sales tax number, and we hope our improvements

477
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:35,740
Since Snyder Plaza and Miracle Mile are going to lead to additional sales taxes, but I'm going to keep the sales tax number flat.

478
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:40,540
Last year, it was $7,331,452.

479
00:40:41,380 --> 00:40:50,500
So if we don't decide to pull out of Dart now, we will contribute another $43,988,712.

480
00:40:51,540 --> 00:40:54,640
But again, we have to consider the debt piece.

481
00:40:54,640 --> 00:41:10,280
Looking at Dart's long-term 20-year plan, Dart has estimated that they will take out an additional $2.5 billion in debt in the next 20 years.

482
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:15,440
But Dart has decided to front-load that in the front seven years.

483
00:41:16,700 --> 00:41:28,000
And if we stay in for the next six years, again, using DART's numbers, that would be an additional $2.255 billion of debt incurred by DART.

484
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:37,760
The number I don't have is the additional obligations, because when DART did their $9 billion calculation, part of that was debt and part of that was other obligations.

485
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:44,140
So I think there's other obligations in that number that will make this number even higher, but we don't need to go there.

486
00:41:44,800 --> 00:42:00,980
So, if we use the same proportion as Dart's calculation, that additional $2.255 billion will be an additional $22.55 million of cost to the City of University Park to stay in Dart for another six years.

487
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:06,980
Dart has said, if you pull out, we will stop all services immediately.

488
00:42:08,260 --> 00:42:12,380
So, I looked at the services that Dart provides in the City of University Park.

489
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:21,560
They provide part of the cost for an SMU shuttle, the cost of that is $381,924 a year.

490
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:29,460
They provide paratransit, and the paratransit number using last year's numbers was $45,630.

491
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:37,040
And if I use the highest number that Dart gave us in the last three years, it's $112,255.

492
00:42:38,540 --> 00:42:40,340
Goal link is essentially Uber.

493
00:42:41,140 --> 00:42:47,180
If you Uber from one side of University Park to the other side of University Park, I estimated cost you about $10.

494
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:55,300
If I give Dart all $10, even though they charge for that service, using their numbers for last year, that's $78,500.

495
00:42:57,540 --> 00:43:06,540
So the yearly cost to replace the services that Dart currently offers in the City of University Park is $506,054.

496
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:14,360
for a six year total of $36,324.

497
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:24,280
And I thought about, some people have asked me, well, Dart could pull the line on Preston, the last bus line existing in the City of University Park.

498
00:43:25,860 --> 00:43:27,960
Well, Dart's already done that to us.

499
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:36,520
We started off with nine bus lines, and Dart has systematically dwindled the bus line service in the City of University Park.

500
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,480
We don't have bus service to Snyder Plaza.

501
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,160
We don't have bus service to Miracle Mile.

502
00:43:43,100 --> 00:43:46,320
The two areas we've just invested in to generate sales tax.

503
00:43:47,740 --> 00:43:53,760
So the proportionality of it is if they're providing over the next six years,

504
00:43:53,760 --> 00:44:10,020
$3 million of services for a cost to the city to stay in for six years of $66 million, $538, $712, $66 million, $538,000, $712.

505
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:17,140
That's the proportionality argument and the numbers are stunning.

506
00:44:18,020 --> 00:44:22,140
I'm not saying it should be a one-to-one correlation, but

507
00:44:22,140 --> 00:44:23,500
But this is nowhere close.

508
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:29,340
And I asked start last night, will you guarantee us a minimum level of service?

509
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:30,420
No.

510
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,340
Will you stop taking out debt?

511
00:44:33,060 --> 00:44:33,480
No.

512
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,460
Will you pay down the existing debt?

513
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:43,020
Well, we pay down some debt, but we've also taking out an additional $2.255 billion in debt.

514
00:44:44,220 --> 00:44:51,260
Given that this is the window that we have, I think we should at a minimum allow our voters

515
00:44:51,260 --> 00:44:55,930
to look at the facts and see if they want to agree to pay

516
00:44:55,930 --> 00:44:59,070
dorked another $66 million.

517
00:45:00,210 --> 00:45:08,650
For a little over $3 million in service. And for that reason, I'm in favor, unless anybody else would like to speak, I'm happy to make a motion.

518
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:32,660
In light of the dwindling services that Dart has provided in the city of University Park and the increasing that the lack of proportionality and the competitive disadvantage that our membership in Dart has caused compared to competitor cities like Frisco and McKinney. I propose that we ask our voters,

519
00:45:32,660 --> 00:45:36,160
give our voters the opportunity to withdraw from Dart.

520
00:45:36,300 --> 00:45:47,900
And therefore, I move approval of 35306, an ordinance ordering a special election on Saturday, May 2nd, 2026 to dissolve the Dallas Area Rapid Transit System in the City of University Park.

521
00:45:48,700 --> 00:45:54,510
Just to clarify, it's 2025-300, thank you.

522
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:56,430
We've got a motion.

523
00:45:57,170 --> 00:45:58,010
I'll second.

524
00:45:58,530 --> 00:45:59,290
A motion in a second.

525
00:46:00,250 --> 00:46:01,010
Mr. Raymond?

526
00:46:01,310 --> 00:46:01,510
Aye.

527
00:46:01,950 --> 00:46:02,490
Feel free of it?

528
00:46:02,590 --> 00:46:02,750
Aye.

529
00:46:03,170 --> 00:46:03,650
Mark Aldridge?

530
00:46:03,770 --> 00:46:03,930
Aye.

531
00:46:03,930 --> 00:46:03,990
Aye.

532
00:46:04,370 --> 00:46:05,310
By March, aye.

533
00:46:05,610 --> 00:46:06,250
In the very row time.

534
00:46:06,810 --> 00:46:07,230
It passes.

535
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:13,010
Next item, Robbie.

536
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:19,460
Okay.

537
00:46:19,580 --> 00:46:20,060
Mayor and council.

538
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:26,080
The next item is a continuation of a zoning case regarding the list Charles restaurant located

539
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,880
in the graduate hotel at 61-01 Hillcress.

540
00:46:29,220 --> 00:46:33,260
This is for the installation of a solid fuel smoke house structure.

541
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:39,040
I'd ask Kagan Mitchell, our director of public works, to write a brief summary of this as

542
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:46,540
as well as some of the recent input that we've had from both the applicant as well as those that expressed opposition to it.

543
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:47,700
Thank you, Mr. Carter.

544
00:46:48,340 --> 00:46:49,760
Good evening, Mayor and City Council.

545
00:46:51,140 --> 00:46:56,300
Just to highlight, recap what we did at the December 16th meeting for anybody that wasn't aware.

546
00:46:57,020 --> 00:47:02,280
I presented this item to you, asking for a public hearing which we conducted.

547
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:08,320
Lots of good discussion between both the applicant, Mr. Farrell, and some residents.

548
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:14,460
and some of the parents or people associated with the community school.

549
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:24,140
From that, I asked you to consider an ordinance, and through that discussion, council made a

550
00:47:24,140 --> 00:47:30,460
motion to table the item and allow time for the applicant and neighbors in the community

551
00:47:30,460 --> 00:47:36,740
school to try to discuss other options, come to a compromise, and then we would bring

552
00:47:36,740 --> 00:47:44,200
back to you. In the last several weeks, Mr. Farrell has had a few different meetings.

553
00:47:44,740 --> 00:47:49,080
The first meeting that he had was only with one attendee. The second meeting he had

554
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:53,980
three attendees. Both meetings were very constructive, focused on the understanding of

555
00:47:53,980 --> 00:48:02,620
the project. He shared that it's a fully enclosed structure and how he's going to mitigate

556
00:48:02,620 --> 00:48:09,860
the smoke. And then there was a number or a third meeting that was set by, I believe it was

557
00:48:09,860 --> 00:48:16,420
a resident, that the applicant attended. Started out again, very constructive, very productive

558
00:48:16,420 --> 00:48:23,300
meeting. And then shortly after that it started declining. So Mr. Priller excused himself. He gave

559
00:48:23,300 --> 00:48:28,920
everybody at the meeting his handout which is some mockups that I'll get to in a minute. And then

560
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,880
and also the information for the smokey smoke eater

561
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,820
that's supposed to mitigate the smoke,

562
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:38,260
the renderings of the structure and all the specifics

563
00:48:38,260 --> 00:48:38,720
on that.

564
00:48:39,700 --> 00:48:42,120
After that, he also met with another resident

565
00:48:42,580 --> 00:48:45,640
to go over the details and then also some parents

566
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,040
of the kid that goes to the community school,

567
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,700
both respectful meetings, but ultimately there was,

568
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:56,480
it never got to any results, no compromises came out of that.

569
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:57,420
So

570
00:48:59,500 --> 00:49:04,660
that was a recap what's happened in the last several weeks as I presented to you last

571
00:49:04,660 --> 00:49:05,040
time.

572
00:49:05,340 --> 00:49:08,480
This is the graduate hotel, Los Charles is housed in there.

573
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,640
This is currently in PD number 22.

574
00:49:14,020 --> 00:49:18,140
For PNZ, they sent out mailings in a 200-foot buffer.

575
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:25,420
They received 87 notices back, mailed out 87, they received 12 back, opposed one in favor,

576
00:49:25,420 --> 00:49:29,140
and then some outside of that buffer also said that they were opposed.

577
00:49:30,220 --> 00:49:34,460
Prior to the council meeting, we received several emails of people being opposed.

578
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:40,280
We also received a couple signed petitions, one from the community school with 50 opposed and

579
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:45,400
another from residents, 45 opposed to, of course, with no opinion.

580
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:51,660
Now, I want to remind everybody that the PD amendment is not to install a smoker.

581
00:49:51,660 --> 00:49:53,600
or smokers are allowed in our restaurants.

582
00:49:54,260 --> 00:49:58,380
The PD amendment that we're here for is adding

583
00:49:58,380 --> 00:49:59,960
that structure to.

584
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:28,180
We do the building is the amendment to the PD. There's no room inside of the Los Charois, the restaurant, to add the smoker inside. That's why he wants to build a fully enclosed building. On the next slide you can see some of the renderings. So the picture on the right is the rendering that I received from the applicant of what this building on the left. It's right now, it just houses the trash and a few other things there. But that's where the building would go.

585
00:50:28,180 --> 00:50:36,620
You can see the smokey smoke eater up on the top, and we heard the specifics on how that's supposed to mitigate the smoke coming out of there.

586
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:47,620
The applicant told us in our pre-session that he has been looking at ways to extend the smoke stack to be taller, so

587
00:50:47,620 --> 00:50:48,920
it'd get over top of the buildings.

588
00:50:49,660 --> 00:50:54,240
He's waiting to hear back from his engineer or designer on being able to go taller, but

589
00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:56,520
but that is something that he is willing to do,

590
00:50:56,860 --> 00:50:58,520
or he's looking into.

591
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:00,320
I don't want to put words into his mouth,

592
00:51:01,740 --> 00:51:03,320
because that was one of the main concerns

593
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,280
is the pollutants that are coming out of the smoke.

594
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,180
Next, I've got a couple shop drawings

595
00:51:12,180 --> 00:51:13,420
of what it would look like.

596
00:51:13,980 --> 00:51:16,340
Again, the smoke stack, I got the laser,

597
00:51:16,540 --> 00:51:18,440
the smoke stack here, he is looking at,

598
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,100
trying to get that higher.

599
00:51:20,580 --> 00:51:22,220
I believe right now it's about 20 feet tall.

600
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:27,000
and we'll see what his engineer designer gets back to.

601
00:51:31,130 --> 00:51:33,050
Though the previous time I had recommended

602
00:51:33,050 --> 00:51:34,650
that you guys conduct public hearing,

603
00:51:35,590 --> 00:51:37,110
and then consider a draft ordinance,

604
00:51:37,450 --> 00:51:39,370
since we already held the public hearing,

605
00:51:39,550 --> 00:51:40,450
this one has been changed.

606
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:43,970
I'm asking for consideration of the draft ordinance

607
00:51:43,970 --> 00:51:46,950
proposed PD number 22,

608
00:51:47,690 --> 00:51:48,950
and then also wanted to let you know

609
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:50,910
that planning and zoning had heard this,

610
00:51:51,130 --> 00:51:53,550
and their recommendation was to take this forward

611
00:51:53,550 --> 00:51:54,990
to council with their approval.

612
00:51:54,990 --> 00:52:03,090
So with that, I'm happy to answer any questions or address any comments you may have.

613
00:52:05,620 --> 00:52:06,060
Any questions?

614
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:07,140
No.

615
00:52:08,340 --> 00:52:10,260
If not, we'll get into the public hearing part.

616
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:11,420
Thank you.

617
00:52:17,300 --> 00:52:18,160
Addison Fontaine.

618
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,840
Thank you for coming.

619
00:52:29,780 --> 00:52:30,320
Bye-bye.

620
00:52:32,380 --> 00:52:33,260
Good evening.

621
00:52:33,540 --> 00:52:34,600
I'm Addison Fontaine.

622
00:52:35,140 --> 00:52:37,980
I live at 4104 Bremar.

623
00:52:37,980 --> 00:52:46,140
And I believe I sent over a slide deck earlier this morning if there's a way we can get that

624
00:52:46,140 --> 00:52:46,820
up on the screen.

625
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:48,020
But if not, that's fine.

626
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:48,420
I have no.

627
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:48,860
So,

628
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:53,480
okay.

629
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:54,280
I will proceed.

630
00:52:55,740 --> 00:53:00,540
So, I'm here today on an opposition of the proposed ordinance.

631
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:06,880
And I would like to say, I think that you did a good job of covering everything, but there's

632
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:11,100
a couple more details I'd just like to add for Council's consideration.

633
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:15,460
Yesterday, I met with Mr. Farrell and thank you for your time.

634
00:53:17,460 --> 00:53:26,260
We discussed some potential resolutions or potentially revising the statute such that

635
00:53:26,260 --> 00:53:30,700
the smoker would only run during certain hours, not during school hours and things of that

636
00:53:30,700 --> 00:53:31,060
nature.

637
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:40,000
So, you know, I recommend it if you'd like to send some language over for consideration that might be something that we could look into.

638
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:53,700
Short of that, however, I think that, at present, the proposed ordinance to amend the plan development has far more risk than outweigh any benefit.

639
00:53:53,700 --> 00:54:03,620
But I'd also like to say that separating the actual structure from the smoker is really not fair.

640
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:10,520
I think that they cannot genuinely be separated because of the smoker or without the structure,

641
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:12,860
you don't have the smoker and vice versa.

642
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:20,420
There's several risks that outweigh the stated benefits that we heard just earlier.

643
00:54:20,420 --> 00:54:30,840
It's smoke is hazardous to human health it is a huge odor which will be a nuisance to University Park. It's also a pollutant.

644
00:54:31,460 --> 00:54:37,880
It's right next to the community school where my daughter attends and they've done such a great job at the community school.

645
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,640
They even got my two year old to sit straight right here on this step.

646
00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:47,440
The playground is just steps away where the babies are is just steps away.

647
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:52,260
And the pollutants associated with industrial smokers are voluminous.

648
00:54:52,460 --> 00:54:58,960
They have particulate matter, carbon monoxide, VOCs, organic acids, nitrogen oxides.

649
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:07,800
Meeting a Stanford University Medical Center study that had numerous doctors on it. These all

650
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,180
have inherent risks to health,

651
00:55:13,010 --> 00:55:18,490
long irritation, asthma, cancer, you name it. Now, the ordinances

652
00:55:18,930 --> 00:55:25,550
of University Park, perhaps they allow smokehouse fuel and structures and things of that nature.

653
00:55:25,550 --> 00:55:33,110
They don't allow individuals to come in and create an odor, a nuisance, pollutants in the air or disrupt human health.

654
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:36,310
There's a litany of ordinances that do you say that?

655
00:55:37,390 --> 00:55:45,590
And I think while we want to be business forward, we want to have a flexible approach and that's the whole point of a planned development.

656
00:55:46,310 --> 00:55:53,270
Sometimes we have to be practical and putting children's health in danger is simply just not practical.

657
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:57,430
And I'm happy to send any of those studies to your attention and if you'd like.

658
00:55:57,790 --> 00:55:58,530
Thank you.

659
00:55:58,790 --> 00:55:59,370
Thank you.

660
00:56:03,780 --> 00:56:04,620
Morgan Bass.

661
00:56:10,380 --> 00:56:11,200
Morgan Bass.

662
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:12,720
Will it speak?

663
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:29,720
Good evening.

664
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:30,600
And thank you for the time.

665
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:31,880
My name is Curtis Downs.

666
00:56:31,980 --> 00:56:34,360
I'm a 42-year resident of University Park.

667
00:56:34,980 --> 00:56:37,240
I live at 3436 Pinkley Avenue.

668
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:44,760
Under Councilman's Filman's recommendation last time, I met with Corby on three separate occasions.

669
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:46,780
The first one is the two of us.

670
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,740
We found common ground, talked about our backgrounds, et cetera.

671
00:56:50,140 --> 00:56:51,980
He taught me about his business.

672
00:56:52,340 --> 00:56:56,980
They currently get their meets from a smoker right on the other side of 75,

673
00:56:56,980 --> 00:56:59,020
which is about seven minutes away.

674
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,300
The smoker is indeed a baggy, so is old smoker.

675
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,460
And he commented and told me that, hey, nobody ever commented on them.

676
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:09,980
And I said, totally understand that, but it doesn't back up to the school or into a neighborhood.

677
00:57:10,620 --> 00:57:14,500
So in our second meeting, we came up with a couple of points that we could discuss.

678
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:20,420
The first one being about moving the smoker to either the Northeast or Southeast corner of the property.

679
00:57:20,780 --> 00:57:24,860
By doing so, some of the smoke would not be because intrusive to the park city's community school.

680
00:57:25,700 --> 00:57:27,000
Corpus response is no.

681
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,380
Smoke meets only on weekends when the school is not in session.

682
00:57:32,140 --> 00:57:33,660
Corpus response, no.

683
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:38,900
Smoke meets from only 6 PM to 7 AM during the time when children are not present.

684
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,020
Corpus response? No.

685
00:57:42,980 --> 00:57:46,380
Continued to use the current housing where they get their meets are supplied?

686
00:57:47,220 --> 00:57:48,340
Corpus response? No.

687
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,940
Pledge not to smoke meets for other restaurants? Corpus response? No.

688
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:58,400
Now, it wasn't a complete loss. We did talk about raising the stack and he said that he would look into that.

689
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:02,660
In a further working session he said he's already started that process and we appreciate that.

690
00:58:05,300 --> 00:58:12,340
So, in my opinion, a $250,000 outlay using the amount of barbecue that he's currently selling,

691
00:58:12,580 --> 00:58:15,880
it would take an incredible long time to pay back that amount.

692
00:58:17,660 --> 00:58:23,480
Regarding the industrial smoker, Corby's stated several times it was his right to install

693
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,960
the smoker because he met with the fire marshal and the health department.

694
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,880
I don't see where Corby's rights supersede the rights of the parents who wanted to clean

695
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,800
and healthy smoke-free environment for their children to learn, play, and grow.

696
00:58:36,580 --> 00:58:39,800
They currently have 60 students and they can accommodate up to 80.

697
00:58:40,660 --> 00:58:44,240
I don't see where Corby's rights should supersede the rights of the community school's rights.

698
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:49,020
After there, they've been there at school and operation for over 70 years in one form or another.

699
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:54,160
I don't see where Corby's rights supersede the rights of 17 people whose jobs are in jeopardy

700
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,580
if they allow the smoker to be installed.

701
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:01,760
I don't see where Corby's rights supersede the rights of neighbors who don't want to

702
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,320
We're living close proximity to industrial meat smoker.

703
00:59:07,470 --> 00:59:14,490
I don't see where Corby's rights supersede in all likelihood that client and property value if he's allowed to install the industrial wood smoker.

704
00:59:15,290 --> 00:59:20,050
In closing, I would like to say that our meetings have been professional, cordial and informative.

705
00:59:20,330 --> 00:59:21,790
And I've been totally enjoyed in meeting him.

706
00:59:23,710 --> 00:59:29,030
Just because Corby claims the right to install a smoker doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.

707
00:59:29,930 --> 00:59:35,950
If the council votes yes, the roof will be installed, the smoke will be installed as

708
00:59:35,950 --> 00:59:38,510
well, and the enrollment of the community is going to decline.

709
00:59:38,910 --> 00:59:43,030
Eventually close, losing 17 jobs, and the surrounding neighbors will be experienced

710
00:59:43,030 --> 00:59:44,290
to decline in property values.

711
00:59:45,090 --> 00:59:49,690
I strongly encourage the Court City Council to reject the proposal of adding a roof to

712
00:59:49,690 --> 00:59:51,930
the nearby graduate hotel.

713
00:59:52,650 --> 00:59:55,750
Corby-Prayall's restaurant will remain unaffected by this.

714
00:59:55,750 --> 00:59:59,330
He can still get his mates, quality meets seven minutes away.

715
01:00:00,140 --> 01:00:11,220
Most of all, we are gambling with the health of children at the community school today. Thank you for your time. I appreciate it. I'll stay if you have any questions. Thank you.

716
01:00:16,580 --> 01:00:17,540
Millie, Rudebeck?

717
01:00:23,890 --> 01:00:28,830
Good evening, I'm Melanie Rudebeck, and I'm the Executive Director of the Community School of the Park Cities.

718
01:00:29,350 --> 01:00:35,510
I have been working there for 20 years, and I consider it my life's work.

719
01:00:36,010 --> 01:00:42,090
And I really, even though I appreciate meeting with Corby, and

720
01:00:43,130 --> 01:00:50,390
I know he has a business, he wants to run, but we just never could come to any kind of agreement that would keep the kids out of danger.

721
01:00:50,390 --> 01:01:02,530
and I just really strongly request that you say that they can't have that whatever you want to call it, the structure, because I just feel like it's too dangerous to these babies.

722
01:01:02,950 --> 01:01:09,130
I mean, we couldn't get the picture put up there, but they're like right across from that smoker.

723
01:01:09,570 --> 01:01:19,230
The porch is high, it's like the smoke is going to go on the babies, we won't be able to take them outside, which is a vital part of development.

724
01:01:19,230 --> 01:01:23,310
We're required to take them outside by the child care licensing.

725
01:01:23,770 --> 01:01:31,210
And so I just, I think that we should be able to come to a way of them getting to smoke and as still having our business.

726
01:01:31,830 --> 01:01:38,010
And I know child care is not priority in that other businesses are probably top priority.

727
01:01:38,230 --> 01:01:40,730
But a lot of these parents are depending on us.

728
01:01:40,850 --> 01:01:44,050
And I just thank you for your time, so I hope you'll consider that.

729
01:01:44,790 --> 01:01:45,430
Thank you.

730
01:01:45,430 --> 01:01:46,410
Thank you, Mary.

731
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:49,820
Susan Bruns.

732
01:02:00,740 --> 01:02:05,860
Mayor and city council members, thank you for allowing me to speak again today.

733
01:02:07,100 --> 01:02:08,580
My name is Susan Bruns.

734
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:12,780
I'm a resident and homeowner at 3417 Grenada Avenue.

735
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:19,160
Been a long time resident of the University Park and the love living in the city.

736
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:26,860
I'm here to express my serious concerns in regard to this building being approved.

737
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:37,180
Construction of a smokehouse building that is in close approximation, certainly of the community school,

738
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:47,220
as well as my concern exists for the McCullough Intermediate School and Highland Park Middle School.

739
01:02:47,220 --> 01:02:49,880
There's 2,000 students on that campus.

740
01:02:50,500 --> 01:02:59,680
This smoker is going, the smoker building and the smoker that it will in house is to be less than a city block from that building, okay?

741
01:02:59,780 --> 01:03:01,480
We're talking 2,000 students.

742
01:03:01,700 --> 01:03:06,620
They all have a 15 minute period where they come out for recess and lunch every day.

743
01:03:07,260 --> 01:03:10,280
There's, what, athletics and PE.

744
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:14,760
They're outdoors all the time throughout the course of the day, okay?

745
01:03:17,220 --> 01:03:25,560
The proposed structure is reportedly within only 10 feet of the community school, 10 feet I've pasted off.

746
01:03:25,980 --> 01:03:34,020
It's right there, right now their depiction of the smoke stack above the house is probably two to three feet above that.

747
01:03:34,580 --> 01:03:37,340
So the building is four or five stories high.

748
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:40,060
That is not adequate, needless to say.

749
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:43,060
And then they're smoky, the smoke detector.

750
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:45,920
I've looked at their information that they've shared on that.

751
01:03:46,500 --> 01:03:48,980
That is not 100% sure.

752
01:03:49,380 --> 01:03:55,240
There's going to be smoke smell every time they're smoking, the smoking of the meat.

753
01:03:55,620 --> 01:03:57,560
That's going to be there, that's a nuisance.

754
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:02,780
As well as we as residents, I know we all have pest control for our homes, so

755
01:04:02,780 --> 01:04:09,740
therefore, they're already coming at least quarterly to refill the rat traps or

756
01:04:09,740 --> 01:04:13,300
whatever they are that they put things in there.

757
01:04:13,300 --> 01:04:22,560
because at night, you can see rats going across the tops of our fences that are between our houses and the duplexes that are over there.

758
01:04:25,060 --> 01:04:27,900
So those are my major concerns, okay?

759
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:39,200
At this time, we as residents have not been provided anything in writing in regard to what the smokehouse is going to comply with.

760
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:42,260
whether that be mechanical code requirements,

761
01:04:42,740 --> 01:04:46,340
fire code requirements, building code provisions,

762
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:49,900
nuisance and air quality standards, okay?

763
01:04:50,380 --> 01:04:53,520
Those are all concerns for our health, okay?

764
01:04:54,060 --> 01:04:55,100
Serious matter.

765
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:58,600
And those poor babies, the school's going to go under.

766
01:04:58,840 --> 01:04:59,960
I'm a retired school principal.

767
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:28,180
In principle, I know, they lose a few children over there. They have such a small population. They have 17 employees. They're there every day. Their revenue is going to decrease. It could also decrease the revenue of the hotel. Because what residents are going to want to stay on those second floors with balconies, they back up to the alley, and that smoke is drifting right across those balconies. Nobody wants that. They will have registered complaints against them.

768
01:05:28,180 --> 01:05:35,000
I mean, one small business to put all these other businesses at a place that have been around forever,

769
01:05:35,700 --> 01:05:42,620
that's not right, I'm sorry, it's not the right thing to do, especially for the health of those of us concerned.

770
01:05:43,180 --> 01:05:50,340
I'm a cancer survivor, I don't want to inhale the smell of the smoke day in and day out.

771
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:54,780
They say they're going to only smoke a little bit of amount just for their restaurant over there.

772
01:05:54,780 --> 01:06:00,860
But why, even there are smoking the meat now, seven minutes from that location.

773
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:05,820
It makes no sense to put it right there where those babies are out daily.

774
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:08,580
I live right behind the school, I know.

775
01:06:11,060 --> 01:06:17,320
If the building permit can be issued for the structure, that introduces smoke and

776
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:24,020
carcinogenic particulate so close to schools that I respectfully suggest that additional conditions,

777
01:06:24,020 --> 01:06:30,880
restrictions or denial of the permit should be considered to ensure compliance with university

778
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:34,300
parks, health, safety, and nuisance standards.

779
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:44,600
And if those are not in place, then they need to be revisited and re-done again in regard

780
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:50,900
to allowing such things within our restaurants or in a separate building outside the hotel.

781
01:06:50,900 --> 01:07:00,960
Okay? It's your responsibility as a council to ensure and protect the children and the residents

782
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:06,820
of the University Park, a beautiful city in which we all reside. You know, I only thank

783
01:07:06,820 --> 01:07:11,740
you for your time and for your service to the University Park. I hope you will give

784
01:07:11,740 --> 01:07:20,880
it your utmost respect and consideration and postpone honoring this building permit. It's

785
01:07:29,890 --> 01:07:31,310
That's all I have in opposition.

786
01:07:34,030 --> 01:07:37,490
Coleman Brown, the supporting favor of this, you want to speak?

787
01:07:37,610 --> 01:07:40,390
You got one more

788
01:07:43,430 --> 01:07:45,570
in the back, but you've

789
01:07:53,060 --> 01:07:54,400
got one more that said it was opposed.

790
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:56,920
Yeah, come on up.

791
01:08:09,060 --> 01:08:09,340
Hi.

792
01:08:10,660 --> 01:08:12,560
I don't know what to do, this is my first time.

793
01:08:13,660 --> 01:08:16,860
Sorry I'm nervous and I'm an engineer, so this is not my normal situation.

794
01:08:16,860 --> 01:08:18,800
If you start with your name and address.

795
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:19,260
Okay.

796
01:08:19,420 --> 01:08:19,740
Thank you.

797
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:20,160
Sorry.

798
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:24,420
Morgan Bass, 34, 35, Grinada Avenue.

799
01:08:26,380 --> 01:08:31,020
I'm going to stick to the script because I did submit this, but I did add one extra word,

800
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:31,720
which I'll indicate.

801
01:08:32,700 --> 01:08:33,460
Good evening, Mayor.

802
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:36,380
Members of Council and City staff, thank you guys all for your service.

803
01:08:36,580 --> 01:08:39,500
I personally appreciate it, and I know how hard of a job it is.

804
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:40,360
So I wanted to say thank you.

805
01:08:41,500 --> 01:08:46,680
I come before you today to advocate to be proactive and protective to upgrade our City

806
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:47,860
these zoning centers.

807
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:54,680
Mike requested specific that we establish a required buffer for a new and existing,

808
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:58,240
which I added, businesses seeking permits for cigar lounges,

809
01:08:58,340 --> 01:09:03,640
or commercial barbecue smoke or operations that produce significant ambient smoke

810
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:09,900
when they are proposed within one city block radius of any pre-existing child care facilities

811
01:09:09,900 --> 01:09:13,320
with outdoor play areas, Highland Park School playgrounds,

812
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:19,940
or elderly community centers because all of those individuals matter within our great community, I truly believe that.

813
01:09:20,440 --> 01:09:23,660
The intent of the statement is to provide counsel with clear preventative tools.

814
01:09:24,020 --> 01:09:28,380
It ensures that a conflict between a smoke generating business in our sensitive population,

815
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:34,260
our young children which I have a first and third grader, our students that play of all grades and

816
01:09:34,260 --> 01:09:38,340
our elderly residents that does not occur in university part.

817
01:09:38,340 --> 01:09:47,320
The science of second hand and ambient smoke after I spoke to two ER doctor friends who are Helen Park residents is clear and established.

818
01:09:47,660 --> 01:09:55,020
Children and the elderly are particularly vulnerable to respiratory harm in irritations from prolonged or concentrated exposure.

819
01:09:55,500 --> 01:09:59,960
Our community, which I believe in my hearts of hearts, pride ourself in, accept.

820
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:29,340
We have an actual quality of life, why I love this neighborhood so much, the beautiful neighborhood in an of wavering commitment to family and well-being, which I think all of you up here know and love because I don't think you would choose this job if you didn't. Allow such a business who operated immediately adjacent to a space where children play or elderly residency care. In my view would be incompatible with high standards of safety and well-for, well-fair, we as university park residents and council, I think you guys uphold. This is not an issue of restricting business.

821
01:10:29,340 --> 01:10:34,020
by all means. I don't think that's right. I work in corporate America. But one of intelligent

822
01:10:34,020 --> 01:10:39,640
and compassionate planning is about placing the right uses in the right locations to avoid,

823
01:10:39,740 --> 01:10:44,380
to avoid predictable and preventable harm to our great citizens of University Park.

824
01:10:44,900 --> 01:10:50,020
This proposed standard is a measure of foresight. It protects our value of existing institutions,

825
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:55,220
safeguards public health and provides clear guidelines for future developers and existing,

826
01:10:55,220 --> 01:10:56,480
That's another act.

827
01:10:56,860 --> 01:11:00,740
It upholds our duty to ensure the well-being of our amazing community residents and visitors,

828
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:07,260
and users of a preschool because they could be a Holland Park teacher, for example.

829
01:11:08,100 --> 01:11:12,200
Let's continue to leave with high integrity and high standards, which I know and believe

830
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:13,660
that University Park does every day.

831
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:18,500
Place the health and safety of our residents at the forefront of zoning decisions.

832
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:21,500
This is for the betterment of our entire community.

833
01:11:21,700 --> 01:11:23,860
This is not about me, myself, and I today.

834
01:11:24,340 --> 01:11:31,680
This is not for my husband who has severe asthma and his lungs went down to his kidneys and he was one minute of dying at medical city.

835
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:36,380
Or the babies who are on those backbiting who can't speak today.

836
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:41,780
Thank you for your time and consideration, and I want to leave this with you to think.

837
01:11:42,060 --> 01:11:48,100
Because I think all of you are great stewards of the community because you wouldn't sit on this council if you didn't earn the spot.

838
01:11:48,440 --> 01:11:49,400
So thank you for your service.

839
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:55,960
But my question to you, to all these University Park City Council members and the co-innovates of Los

840
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:59,840
Charles same behind me, do you want to be a battery for the community progress,

841
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:05,800
energizing positive, healthy growth, or do you want to be a risk, becoming a vacuum,

842
01:12:06,300 --> 01:12:10,280
drawing away from the values and well-being that I believe in my hearts and heart,

843
01:12:10,440 --> 01:12:14,540
that Park City's community members at all ages who can't be for themselves today.

844
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:16,620
Thank you very much for your consideration.

845
01:12:16,620 --> 01:12:20,040
I appreciate your service, and I appreciate your time today.

846
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:20,860
Thank you.

847
01:12:25,020 --> 01:12:26,360
Anybody else speaking opposition?

848
01:12:35,580 --> 01:12:36,120
Good evening.

849
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:39,460
Thank you for so much for allowing me to speak.

850
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:43,700
My name is John Kim, and I live at 34 or 15 Granada.

851
01:12:44,140 --> 01:12:49,680
I actually had a nice meeting with Corby yesterday, and he's welcome to come up and speak

852
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:50,620
to if he wants.

853
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:56,400
Obviously, I'm an opposition of the smoker.

854
01:12:56,400 --> 01:13:07,620
I've stated that I've showed up at every meeting, but the one thing I want to point out is I think there's some confusion because people think that we're just approving the structure for the smoker.

855
01:13:08,380 --> 01:13:17,080
But an outdoor smoker, there's nothing in the laws of University Park that outright allows an outdoor smoker.

856
01:13:17,740 --> 01:13:20,980
A smoker can be allowed if they want to have it inside the restaurant.

857
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:24,200
We have no problem with that because then it's a smaller smoker.

858
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:30,880
but the smoker that Corby showed me pictures of is huge and nobody wants to live next to the smoker.

859
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:38,480
And so, if you approve the structure, that's essentially approving an outdoor smoker.

860
01:13:38,580 --> 01:13:41,320
It's the same thing, so that's what we are here to discuss.

861
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:49,020
And I do believe and ask that the city please consider the new synthetic a create on the residents,

862
01:13:50,220 --> 01:13:54,400
the hazard of the smoke on the residents and also the children of the daycare.

863
01:13:55,000 --> 01:14:00,660
The damage that it could do to the community school, which is a very sentimental business in our neighborhood.

864
01:14:01,420 --> 01:14:08,860
A lot of residents have gone to the community school, their kids have gone there, a lot of parents whose kids go there, live in the park cities.

865
01:14:09,620 --> 01:14:17,140
And one of them told me that they would be devastated and it will all sleep at night because if they lose their ability to have daycare,

866
01:14:17,140 --> 01:14:22,200
It will adversely affect their ability to work and they don't want that.

867
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:26,760
So I don't think this issue is going to go away, even if you do approve it.

868
01:14:27,420 --> 01:14:32,520
And it was very difficult for us to try to meet because it was during the holidays.

869
01:14:32,940 --> 01:14:35,640
And I feel like we need more time to try to reach an agreement.

870
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:45,860
I ask that you please not approve the structure for the smoker because I have walked by that restaurant so many times it's empty.

871
01:14:45,860 --> 01:14:50,500
It is empty. There's no reason why they need a big smoke or like that.

872
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:57,040
But Corby told me yesterday that he thinks maybe he would be okay with doing 20 briskets.

873
01:14:57,340 --> 01:14:59,560
He thinks he just needs 20 briskets a week.

874
01:15:00,180 --> 01:15:29,460
And if you do approve it, please consider doing it on a conditional basis and give us time to work out some agreements. Like I don't think all the world's problems can be solved in one meeting. But just by saying yes or no, sometimes you can chip away at this and we can, you could do a conditional permit or impose restrictions on this. So that's all that I ask. And if you could give us more time because I do think I don't know if Corby had a chance to tell you about it.

875
01:15:29,460 --> 01:15:31,380
But I do feel like we had a good meeting yesterday.

876
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:35,880
But it was very hard during the holidays trying to get everyone together.

877
01:15:36,500 --> 01:15:37,480
So thank you.

878
01:15:37,740 --> 01:15:38,340
Thank you.

879
01:15:42,690 --> 01:15:43,590
Cool one, Brown.

880
01:15:48,620 --> 01:15:50,600
I'm coming, Brown, 39.05, Brinmore.

881
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:53,920
I wasn't playing on speaking, but since you call my name Mayor, I will.

882
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:56,440
I have two sons that go to the middle school.

883
01:15:57,420 --> 01:15:59,260
So I have children nearby.

884
01:15:59,480 --> 01:16:00,360
We love Los Charros.

885
01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:04,520
I would just urge y'all to focus on what's in front of you.

886
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:12,360
And it's a staff recommended for approval installation of a commercial smokehouse structure to structure.

887
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:17,200
What goes on inside that structure will have to abide by all of the codes and

888
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:20,420
regulations that are already on the books, health wise, vending wise.

889
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:28,440
So, but what's in front of you all is the approval that was recommended by your staff for

890
01:16:29,060 --> 01:16:31,980
the construction of a structure, and we supported in the community.

891
01:16:31,980 --> 01:16:41,280
We supported our children at the middle school, and we look forward to Liz Charrows being a vibrant business in our community, so thank you very much.

892
01:16:49,400 --> 01:17:07,020
Thank you, Mr. Mayor, Councilmembers, John Fainter, 429 Hanover, I wasn't playing on speaking tonight as well, but I wanted to reiterate what Coleman said, this focus is on the structure and what Corby is trying to do with the structure to enhance, mitigate any sort of concern.

893
01:17:07,020 --> 01:17:10,000
concerns and be a good neighbor and a good steward to this community.

894
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:14,620
I mean, we drove by the school itself and took a picture out front.

895
01:17:14,820 --> 01:17:18,760
And there's a grease exhaust and we don't have, we didn't know, to send this, but

896
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:23,880
they have a grease exhaust fan right on the ground level with the school in the yard and

897
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:27,760
question and below the school, the first floor of the school.

898
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:34,060
I don't know what they cook, but whatever exhaust comes out of there is probably not mitigated like what Corby's doing.

899
01:17:34,060 --> 01:17:39,020
And it probably has some sort of harmful carcinogen substance in the air.

900
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:47,340
I would venture to guess the middle school does as well have a similar exhaust structure that probably don't have a mitigation system, which Corby is proposing.

901
01:17:48,340 --> 01:17:57,560
All that being said, there's stuff that the car congestion out front has carcinogens that come out when the people drop off their kids in the school every day.

902
01:17:57,560 --> 01:18:03,740
Okay, this is Corby what he's proposing is mitigating any sort of concern they might be.

903
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:11,840
He's being a good neighbor more so than any other restaurant that has these same sort of structures outside their facilities to mitigate the smoke.

904
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:16,800
Again, this is a structure, he's allowed by right to do it, no different.

905
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:22,840
And I don't think from an indoor or outdoor, I mean people have smokers in their back yards all the time, I don't think there's any prohibition against that.

906
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:51,620
That he is mitigating that inside the structure, he's making it a better system, he's being a better neighbor, a better steward of the community, and we appreciate your time and consideration of this structure, and I think he's done more than enough to meet with these, we don't need to push this off any longer, he's met with them, they're not going to change their minds, they said no, no, no, Corby listen, he's looking into extending the smokestack, he's looking into mitigating his hours, but he can't guarantee his hours.

907
01:18:51,620 --> 01:18:55,600
First, you don't know when things come up, weddings come up, school fundraisers come up,

908
01:18:55,660 --> 01:18:56,500
you have to go smoke.

909
01:18:56,740 --> 01:19:01,080
So, it's hard to put that in writing, but he's looking at things to be a good neighbor

910
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:01,720
going forward.

911
01:19:01,860 --> 01:19:06,580
So, I think you should, again, consider all these things when you're considering the structure.

912
01:19:06,860 --> 01:19:07,340
Thank you for your time.

913
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:08,240
Thank you.

914
01:19:11,090 --> 01:19:11,690
Anybody else?

915
01:19:15,330 --> 01:19:15,470
Yes.

916
01:19:17,010 --> 01:19:17,510
All right.

917
01:19:17,870 --> 01:19:20,430
Thank you for letting me speak, Mayor and Council.

918
01:19:21,190 --> 01:19:23,110
This is the first time I have spoken.

919
01:19:23,650 --> 01:19:23,970
I am.

920
01:19:24,010 --> 01:19:25,110
How about name and address?

921
01:19:25,110 --> 01:19:29,530
Julie and Bar-Saudi, I live at 4532 Westway.

922
01:19:30,250 --> 01:19:35,430
I also own a home at 3206 Drexel Drive, very close to the area.

923
01:19:36,070 --> 01:19:40,090
Went to Armstrong, McCullough Middle School, Highland Park High School.

924
01:19:40,910 --> 01:19:48,590
College, then my dream always has been to come back to this community that's nurtured me in open businesses.

925
01:19:48,870 --> 01:19:51,890
I did that 17 years ago when I opened Nona.

926
01:19:51,890 --> 01:19:59,790
And then I subsequently have three more businesses that are in Highland Park, Fachini.

927
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:25,660
Any bar Saudis in taboo? What I would say is I just wanted to dispel, I think, projections and fear from actual examples and facts. First, the fact being, I'm, the fact being that this is allowed by law. And there's no difference between an enclosed structure that we're building and if it was inside of a restaurant.

928
01:20:25,660 --> 01:20:34,100
We're additionally have a veneer hood and the smoke, the smoke sapper which isn't required by local law.

929
01:20:34,620 --> 01:20:38,120
Here's what I would say as an example, I think it's a very relevant one.

930
01:20:38,460 --> 01:20:45,120
I opened known as 17 years ago with the idea of the focus of the restaurant being a wood burning oven.

931
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:50,340
At that point in Highland Park, there was no ordinance for a hood.

932
01:20:50,340 --> 01:20:58,460
They allowed us to do it and were grandfathered in just as a fireplace that burns almost every single day of the year.

933
01:20:58,660 --> 01:21:06,200
If you guys know where Nona is, there is an alleyway directly across from us 10 feet away from many residences.

934
01:21:06,660 --> 01:21:16,320
Many residences, in 17 and a half years, we've never had a complaint from anyone in that dense area in terms of smoke or

935
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:22,320
of pollution. In addition to that, at Fuccini, we also have a wood burning oven.

936
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:30,020
Bradfield is directly across the street. Again, no one, no other, and they get complaints

937
01:21:30,020 --> 01:21:37,120
over there all the time about everything. Never once have had a complaint about us burning wood there.

938
01:21:37,500 --> 01:21:43,640
We burn it 365 days a year, other than I guess Christmas, Easter, and Thanksgiving.

939
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:54,940
And also at Barsadis, we have a solid fuel grill and, again, zero complaints in 15 years of business.

940
01:21:55,540 --> 01:21:58,220
I would say this is kind of much to do about nothing.

941
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:05,380
I'm willing to compromise with these people really, really what we want to do is serve this community.

942
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:11,300
Like, that hotel could have a generic restaurant that nobody cares about.

943
01:22:11,300 --> 01:22:19,980
Corby and I really, like, when we got inspired for this and got hired to do this project,

944
01:22:19,980 --> 01:22:27,180
it was we thought community first. We want to create something that our community that we love

945
01:22:27,180 --> 01:22:32,400
can go to and enjoy, and I'll tell you about this business. It's a hard business.

946
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:38,420
And everyone keeps saying you can smoke off site. The things that matter are doing things that are

947
01:22:38,420 --> 01:22:44,980
great in the our ability to make great food is greatly contingent on having that smoker

948
01:22:44,980 --> 01:22:47,780
on site and making the best food we possibly can.

949
01:22:48,100 --> 01:22:48,680
Thank you.

950
01:22:52,290 --> 01:22:52,950
Anybody else?

951
01:22:58,570 --> 01:22:59,890
I'm going to be real with you, Mayor.

952
01:23:00,070 --> 01:23:03,230
I came here for something else, but I see all y'all talking about smoking, and I like

953
01:23:03,230 --> 01:23:03,750
to smoke.

954
01:23:03,990 --> 01:23:04,470
You know what I mean?

955
01:23:04,550 --> 01:23:05,910
I like to just roll up and smoke.

956
01:23:06,010 --> 01:23:10,730
So I say they should be smoking, but if I was being for real, why don't we have no KFC?

957
01:23:11,090 --> 01:23:12,730
Why don't you all prove a KFC up in here?

958
01:23:12,750 --> 01:23:13,750
Because I like fried chicken.

959
01:23:13,750 --> 01:23:17,530
And I mean, I don't need a lot of smoke stuff, unless it's a barbecue pork ribs.

960
01:23:18,070 --> 01:23:22,490
So shoot, I say let them smoke, because I smoke, and I'm pro 420.

961
01:23:22,930 --> 01:23:27,250
As a black man, I've been smoking my whole life, and I'm a y'all white people get smoked too.

962
01:23:27,410 --> 01:23:32,710
You know, it's not, I'm not racist when it comes to smoking, so I wish it was a KFC, but amen, let's smoke.

963
01:23:41,090 --> 01:23:41,450
Okay,

964
01:23:45,500 --> 01:23:46,860
so we have, I want to speak, Robbie,

965
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:50,980
any motion?

966
01:23:56,710 --> 01:23:58,470
Where are you going to, I'm sorry, where are you going to say something?

967
01:23:59,010 --> 01:24:06,870
Mayor, I'll make a motion for 25-293 for the ordinance of the Smoker's Structiles

968
01:24:06,870 --> 01:24:09,810
for the Law of Sharrows Restaurant, make a motion to approve it.

969
01:24:11,450 --> 01:24:11,870
Second.

970
01:24:12,670 --> 01:24:13,550
Motion in a second.

971
01:24:14,410 --> 01:24:14,950
But it's a remin.

972
01:24:15,210 --> 01:24:15,350
Aye.

973
01:24:15,930 --> 01:24:16,630
Peel, fill me.

974
01:24:16,870 --> 01:24:17,010
Aye.

975
01:24:18,430 --> 01:24:19,130
Mark Gordon.

976
01:24:19,290 --> 01:24:19,410
Aye.

977
01:24:19,890 --> 01:24:20,250
Bob Morris.

978
01:24:20,490 --> 01:24:20,650
Aye.

979
01:24:21,070 --> 01:24:22,210
The Mayor will tell you it passes.

980
01:24:25,990 --> 01:24:26,770
Next item, Robby.

981
01:24:26,770 --> 01:24:37,590
All right, Mayor and Council, your next item on your main agenda this evening is to consider an ordinance that would revise the time limits of the 3200 block of Milton, the residential parking district in this area.

982
01:24:38,190 --> 01:24:40,970
Keegan literal has more information on this item for you.

983
01:24:41,610 --> 01:24:43,450
Thank you, Mr. Quarter. Good evening, Mayor and Council.

984
01:24:43,450 --> 01:24:44,210
there

985
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:59,480
about that. Currently the 3200 block of Milton

986
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:28,720
Well, Navinou is restricted for the parking district Monday through Friday, 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. We received a request from one of the residents asking if this could be switched to 24-7 for this 3200 block. We mailed out 20 surveys because there's 20 residents on this block. We received 17 back, 14 of which voted in favor of switching it to 24-7 and three were opposed.

987
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:34,260
It is my understanding that one of the residents that voted oppose would like to speak this evening.

988
01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:45,980
I just wanted to let you know that just an overall picture of the area, everything highlighted in green here and the purple is the Milton Parking District or the M District.

989
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:50,560
Everything with the green lines is the 8 AM to 5 PM Monday through Friday.

990
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:53,560
The red again is what I showed you on the previous slide,

991
01:25:56,950 --> 01:25:58,470
and that's all the information I have.

992
01:25:58,470 --> 01:26:02,090
I'm happy to answer any questions, or if the resident would like to speak?

993
01:26:02,630 --> 01:26:03,150
Any questions?

994
01:26:04,210 --> 01:26:04,890
I have a question.

995
01:26:05,570 --> 01:26:09,130
So originally, can you tell us, how did this come about?

996
01:26:09,330 --> 01:26:14,130
Why was it a resident who said, I'd like 24-7?

997
01:26:14,390 --> 01:26:19,450
Yeah, one of the residents that spoke with Miss LaDotte or a system public works director,

998
01:26:20,110 --> 01:26:25,750
had requested this because on the weekends, there can be an influx of cars,

999
01:26:25,750 --> 01:26:33,070
whether for sporting events or people just coming to visit the town and they're having a lot of hard time parking in front of their own house

1000
01:26:33,070 --> 01:26:39,730
So that's why they were asking for it be in 24-7-7 days a week. Okay, and we have not heard that from the others

1001
01:26:40,510 --> 01:26:44,310
This is the only one that they're approached us. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome.

1002
01:26:46,410 --> 01:26:47,430
Okay. Thank you

1003
01:26:49,770 --> 01:26:50,510
Okay, rice

1004
01:26:56,680 --> 01:27:02,860
Good evening. I'm Anna K. Rice. I live at 32-13 Milton Avenue and my husband Jim and I have lived here for over two years

1005
01:27:03,420 --> 01:27:08,120
I'm a graduate of the City of University Park Leadership Program and I serve on an advisory

1006
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:08,560
committee.

1007
01:27:09,460 --> 01:27:13,520
I respectfully urge you, the council, not to adopt this ordinance.

1008
01:27:13,940 --> 01:27:18,640
Our streets are part of a shared community and city infrastructure maintained by all of

1009
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:21,880
our tax dollars, not just the residents of any one single block.

1010
01:27:22,620 --> 01:27:28,540
Every home on this block has driveways, garages, and or alley access accommodating two or more

1011
01:27:28,540 --> 01:27:28,920
vehicles.

1012
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:34,000
If one block receives 24 by 7 permits, then any other block could request the same.

1013
01:27:34,440 --> 01:27:39,140
That fundamentally changes how the City of University Park manages public streets and

1014
01:27:39,140 --> 01:27:43,160
can significantly increase resources, human and financial.

1015
01:27:43,780 --> 01:27:49,220
If I host each of you for dinner, I need to now get a permit for each of your cars.

1016
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:53,920
I would be required to request them from the city in advance, wait for them to be processed and

1017
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:57,660
and have them delivered by city employees before guests can park on public street.

1018
01:27:58,900 --> 01:28:07,940
This uses city personnel time, printing, processing, and delivery resources typically delivered by police officers and my student what I've seen.

1019
01:28:08,420 --> 01:28:15,600
I also work from home 24, I also work from home five days a week, so I've seen and I look out front and I can see what is happening.

1020
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:20,400
While the fiscal impact states no impact, there is an opportunity cost.

1021
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:22,620
Is this really the highest and best universe?

1022
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:26,540
Is this really the highest and best use of our city's personnel?

1023
01:28:27,060 --> 01:28:27,720
I don't think so.

1024
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:34,360
City data I worked with Mr. Corridor on states that since the New Permit Zone was enacted in September of 2025,

1025
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:36,960
16 citations were issued in September.

1026
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:43,600
Only seven citations were issued between October, November, and December, okay?

1027
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:45,240
That's just over two a month.

1028
01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:50,900
There are zero instances of first responders being blocked by vehicles in the same time period.

1029
01:28:51,380 --> 01:28:58,860
In 2026, there are seven SMU home games on Saturdays when street parking sometimes, not all the time, tightens.

1030
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:04,120
That's 1.9% predictable days of the year, a very tiny amount.

1031
01:29:04,740 --> 01:29:07,820
A group of residents sentiment does not match the data.

1032
01:29:08,060 --> 01:29:11,960
The data demonstrates there is not a material need to create a full time permit zone.

1033
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:15,720
The City of University Park is not a gated community.

1034
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:18,880
We own the land but we don't own the streets personally.

1035
01:29:20,100 --> 01:29:24,960
We are a city and the city streets are not intended, excuse me, to serve the public equally

1036
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:25,640
and at large.

1037
01:29:25,980 --> 01:29:26,240
Thank you.

1038
01:29:27,260 --> 01:29:28,540
Any questions for me?

1039
01:29:29,940 --> 01:29:30,420
Okay.

1040
01:29:30,700 --> 01:29:31,640
Thank you very much for your service.

1041
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:32,200
Thank you.

1042
01:29:32,580 --> 01:29:32,740
Do

1043
01:29:37,450 --> 01:29:41,730
you have any other places that it's like this, so it's 24-7?

1044
01:29:43,310 --> 01:29:50,110
Not that are singled out of an overall district, not just one street that I'm familiar with.

1045
01:29:51,330 --> 01:29:57,430
There are other parking districts that are 24-7 I'm familiar with, but not just one street out of a larger district.

1046
01:29:57,430 --> 01:29:57,970
You're going to be able to do it.

1047
01:30:02,260 --> 01:30:31,200
And go through the numbers again. What were the there was 20 properties on that street 14 voted in favor three opposed. For us, when somebody approaches us, we tell them that they need to have a majority in favor against for us to be bring afforded for your consideration. So with the, we told them that they would probably need at least 14, 15 before we'd even consider bringing it to your attention.

1048
01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:34,060
and staff doesn't have a recommendation

1049
01:30:34,580 --> 01:30:35,820
whether you approve it or not.

1050
01:30:36,140 --> 01:30:38,480
I just, because of the results we got from the survey,

1051
01:30:39,100 --> 01:30:40,360
we felt that you needed to hear it.

1052
01:30:49,750 --> 01:30:52,670
I do share the concern about it being a public street,

1053
01:30:53,550 --> 01:30:56,810
and the area around it being,

1054
01:30:57,050 --> 01:30:58,690
it's just Monday through Friday, right?

1055
01:30:59,010 --> 01:31:01,170
And from what's the times?

1056
01:31:02,530 --> 01:31:03,550
ADM to 5 PM.

1057
01:31:03,890 --> 01:31:08,410
Okay, so Monday through Friday, eight to five,

1058
01:31:08,410 --> 01:31:11,050
I mean, regardless of holidays or anything else, right?

1059
01:31:11,530 --> 01:31:12,850
It's just Monday through Friday, eight to five.

1060
01:31:13,390 --> 01:31:14,230
Okay, thank you.

1061
01:31:14,810 --> 01:31:15,410
Would

1062
01:31:22,710 --> 01:31:31,390
you be willing to let us do a trial basis and see how it works?

1063
01:31:33,580 --> 01:31:44,960
I mean, I can't speak on behalf of the six that have either chosen not to respond or have chosen to oppose this ordinance.

1064
01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:54,020
What I would say, I know this is a public forum and I very respect every each and every resident that we live with on our street.

1065
01:31:54,720 --> 01:32:15,300
These are city streets, we have family members that come over, we have, I mean, that live in town, we have, you know, play dates, young children on our street, high schoolers on our street, that are very respected, we're not allowed street, we've worked really hard with the people behind us, with the alleyways.

1066
01:32:15,300 --> 01:32:21,140
We've worked with each other, we're neighborly, we drop off gifts in the fall and in the winter holiday.

1067
01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:26,440
This is a sentiment that does not, is not supported by the data.

1068
01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:33,020
So I brought forward data that I worked with Mr. Corridor about the citations, seven,

1069
01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:38,480
between October and December after the first month of 17, I believe, in September.

1070
01:32:39,700 --> 01:32:45,280
In the predictable days with the SMU College Football Games, I go to those games.

1071
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:50,640
I promise you, not every one of those games is on our black, super full.

1072
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:56,220
Some individuals choose to put cones in front of their house on game day, so they have parking.

1073
01:32:57,100 --> 01:33:06,520
What I would also offer is that like I mentioned earlier, each and every house has driveways or alleyway access that holds more than held two plus cars.

1074
01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:14,640
with that, it is residents' choice, and they're right to park either in their driveway

1075
01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:23,460
and, you know, in front of their street, but this is a set of precedent that if this block

1076
01:33:23,460 --> 01:33:30,120
is approved, it could go to any and all blocks, and the financial impact at scale is just

1077
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:31,840
not the heart of what a city is.

1078
01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:37,080
We're community members, we're neighbors, we're not an exclusive street.

1079
01:33:38,020 --> 01:33:45,100
None of our street are exclusive to be able to say you can't park there without a permit, even though you're a city resident.

1080
01:33:45,500 --> 01:33:51,400
I want to invite all of you for dinner without bothering the resources of the city and

1081
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:53,300
be a good neighbor.

1082
01:33:53,960 --> 01:33:55,560
What about Keegan?

1083
01:33:55,660 --> 01:34:00,240
What's, this is both sides of the street right now, right?

1084
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:09,790
What about doing just one side of the street and the other side, can we enforce that?

1085
01:34:10,270 --> 01:34:14,190
I don't want to speak for the police chief but I can see that being a enforcement issue.

1086
01:34:15,390 --> 01:34:19,270
It's also a sentiment, right, it's like it's who are we?

1087
01:34:19,450 --> 01:34:24,370
Are we a community of people that want to be together and

1088
01:34:24,370 --> 01:34:29,790
neighborly or are we trying to say that each of our streets is only for us?

1089
01:34:30,870 --> 01:34:33,190
I'd love to have you all over for dinner and not get a permit.

1090
01:34:33,550 --> 01:34:36,290
My permits are always delivered by our great police officers.

1091
01:34:36,290 --> 01:34:37,810
I'm always grateful that they do it.

1092
01:34:38,210 --> 01:34:41,910
I don't think it's the highest and best use of their time.

1093
01:34:45,570 --> 01:34:49,450
Yeah, but there are a number of other people on that block that would like it.

1094
01:34:49,670 --> 01:34:53,810
So we're trying to figure out some way to make it, make me, like I said,

1095
01:34:53,970 --> 01:34:57,690
I don't think the sentiment doesn't support the data.

1096
01:34:57,690 --> 01:34:59,930
The sentiment is they don't want people.

1097
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:29,340
The people that my understanding is, the people that are opposed to having, or people that want to have this ordinance, they don't want people parking in front of their house. I don't own the city street. Who am I to say who can park in front of my house and who can't be? None of us should be able to say that on a city street. All right, what if we don't change it when we leave it 5 to 75? 8 to 5 on day through Friday. Yeah. And I would take continue to get the data that I've worked with Mr. Quarteron and can revisit it.

1098
01:35:29,340 --> 01:35:32,960
in six to 12 months and continue to monitor the situation.

1099
01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:37,440
I do something there's enough data to support it.

1100
01:35:38,120 --> 01:35:44,300
It's only been four months in a significant decrease between September from 17 to 7 between

1101
01:35:44,300 --> 01:35:45,320
October and December.

1102
01:35:46,160 --> 01:35:51,700
I respectfully request that you don't approve this sentiment ordinance.

1103
01:35:54,020 --> 01:35:56,460
I also ask how would you feel this was in front of your house?

1104
01:35:56,820 --> 01:35:57,160
I don't know.

1105
01:35:57,520 --> 01:35:57,760
Okay.

1106
01:35:58,060 --> 01:35:59,340
So this is coming, right?

1107
01:35:59,340 --> 01:36:02,000
Let's say your neighbor says, hey, I want this.

1108
01:36:02,500 --> 01:36:06,840
They go block to block and they get the sentiment that, hey, I don't want other people parking in front of my house.

1109
01:36:07,300 --> 01:36:10,720
And this now sets the precedent that this can happen in front of any of your houses.

1110
01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:13,600
It's not just my block, it's the community.

1111
01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:18,500
That's when you put it at scale, that's when the financial impact does come into play.

1112
01:36:18,980 --> 01:36:21,460
The resources, financially and human.

1113
01:36:21,460 --> 01:36:22,360
Well,

1114
01:36:27,910 --> 01:36:37,570
then I'd like to make a motion to deny 25-285 for revising the time limits on 32-hundred

1115
01:36:37,570 --> 01:36:38,130
block of Milton.

1116
01:36:38,490 --> 01:36:38,810
Second.

1117
01:36:40,350 --> 01:36:41,770
The motion is second.

1118
01:36:42,670 --> 01:36:43,230
Melissa Raymond.

1119
01:36:43,950 --> 01:36:46,890
Am I eyeing to deny?

1120
01:36:47,650 --> 01:36:47,830
I.

1121
01:36:49,210 --> 01:36:50,070
You'll feel it?

1122
01:36:50,230 --> 01:36:50,370
I.

1123
01:36:51,050 --> 01:36:51,770
My glory to you.

1124
01:36:51,790 --> 01:36:51,910
I.

1125
01:36:52,550 --> 01:36:52,750
My glory to you.

1126
01:36:53,130 --> 01:36:54,430
My glory to you.

1127
01:36:57,650 --> 01:36:59,930
We'll be over to dinner at what time?

1128
01:37:01,190 --> 01:37:02,030
What are we having?

1129
01:37:09,100 --> 01:37:09,820
Turn down.

1130
01:37:10,600 --> 01:37:11,560
It's not going to happen, Grace.

1131
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:12,040
Don't nod.

1132
01:37:13,700 --> 01:37:14,480
Thank you for taking time.

1133
01:37:14,780 --> 01:37:20,630
All right, Mayor and Councilor, your next item to see me is going to be a proposed resolution

1134
01:37:20,630 --> 01:37:25,390
regarding the use of public right of way in the Snyder and around Snyder Plaza.

1135
01:37:26,070 --> 01:37:27,930
We've talked about a number of these items.

1136
01:37:28,110 --> 01:37:30,610
Shannon Smith's Bratish has a presentation for you on this.

1137
01:37:31,570 --> 01:37:32,370
Thank you, Mr. Court.

1138
01:37:32,370 --> 01:37:35,670
City Council, this is not in the streets, this is on the sidewalk.

1139
01:37:35,930 --> 01:37:42,090
So, as we all know, Senator Pleasant, handsmen's wrapped up in December of 2025.

1140
01:37:42,550 --> 01:38:00,370
And as a component of that, City staff really started in the last summer talking through what are some policies now that we've made this investment in our infrastructure that we can use to make sure that we've got maintaining that investment, but also we have a consistent support.

1141
01:38:00,370 --> 01:38:07,430
And tonight I have before you a consideration of a license agreement that would regulate sidewalk

1142
01:38:07,430 --> 01:38:08,930
usage for those businesses.

1143
01:38:12,300 --> 01:38:19,040
This is really bad accessibility and ensuring that we have the ability to get people through

1144
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:21,320
a signer plaza to see our businesses.

1145
01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:26,580
Americans with Disabilities Act, I'm sure you're all familiar with, really regulates on

1146
01:38:26,580 --> 01:38:28,040
a federal level access.

1147
01:38:28,040 --> 01:38:37,360
And if you'll see there the diagram, it does mean require a 4-foot or 48-inch minimum width on sidewalk access.

1148
01:38:37,700 --> 01:38:41,280
The diagram on the right really shows something we're talking about.

1149
01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:44,540
You'll see there the pedestrian zone which we want to maintain.

1150
01:38:44,860 --> 01:38:49,940
The frontage zone is really where we're going to focus tonight that would allow businesses to use that area

1151
01:38:49,940 --> 01:38:53,920
but still maintain that accessible pedestrian zone area.

1152
01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:58,080
So tonight I'm really going to talk about three different opportunities, and then I'm really

1153
01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:03,260
going to focus in on your action tonight regarding a resolution that would approve a license

1154
01:39:03,260 --> 01:39:06,100
agreement, which is the second opportunity there.

1155
01:39:06,820 --> 01:39:13,140
This is a diagram from the Zoning for Schneider Plaza, this PD, showed the dimensions, this

1156
01:39:13,140 --> 01:39:18,840
was always the plan, that in particular you'll see the area that says seating tables and

1157
01:39:18,840 --> 01:39:25,260
the 4 feet and that's really where we're wanting businesses to look at as an opportunity

1158
01:39:25,260 --> 01:39:30,700
if they want to and maintaining that 6 foot walking area with insider plaza.

1159
01:39:31,260 --> 01:39:36,120
This is just another diagram that shows kind of just what the goal was is having that

1160
01:39:36,120 --> 01:39:37,260
sidewalk usage.

1161
01:39:37,260 --> 01:39:40,320
It's so important in cider plaza.

1162
01:39:41,670 --> 01:39:48,040
So what is currently allowed, and this is through our zoning in that area, is in that

1163
01:39:48,040 --> 01:39:52,380
4-foot area that's immediately in front of the businesses.

1164
01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:58,800
Those businesses can put sidewalk board signage that relates to their business planters,

1165
01:39:59,080 --> 01:39:59,920
benches or any.

1166
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:29,980
We need to type a seasonal displays. That area still allows accessibility in the sidewalk and is included in our current zoning ordinance. I will say staff is really identified, though, within that zoning ordinance, there's some areas we have some inconsistencies that now that we've completed construction, we're going to be talking with businesses about. The photo on the left shows a local restaurant that has actually planters on both sides. They have it in front of their businesses.

1167
01:40:29,980 --> 01:40:38,840
which is the allowable area, but you'll also see the planter on the edge of the photo that is by the parking that creates more impediment.

1168
01:40:39,280 --> 01:40:43,820
You can also see that the chairs really don't allow for the accessible area.

1169
01:40:44,360 --> 01:40:51,420
And so we would work with that business to understand what that forfeit area is for their business as well as the six foot.

1170
01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:59,080
The sidewalk sign would be allowed if it was directly advertising that business, but in this case,

1171
01:40:59,080 --> 01:41:10,800
This sidewalk sign is located in front of another business, and so really we would ask that owner to locate that signage in front of their business directly.

1172
01:41:11,620 --> 01:41:21,380
The item we have tonight is the actual license agreement, really that is focused on having tables and chairs on our sidewalk, but that they don't impede the accessible area.

1173
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:33,340
We would ask that those businesses create an annual license agreement, so we understand how they're going to have their tables and chairs, what their responsibilities for maintaining it.

1174
01:41:33,700 --> 01:41:39,760
If they have that license agreement, it would then come through to the city staff as well as the city attorney for their review.

1175
01:41:40,300 --> 01:41:45,440
We would then ask for a nominal fee of about $25 for that license agreement.

1176
01:41:45,440 --> 01:41:49,900
I can tell you that our current other license agreements we have out is 250.

1177
01:41:50,420 --> 01:41:55,240
So this is a discount, but just it provides that kind of commitment on the business perspective.

1178
01:41:55,820 --> 01:42:02,060
The enforcement piece of that would be from code enforcement ensuring that they're in compliance with their license agreement.

1179
01:42:03,240 --> 01:42:09,920
We have some photos here that we took this summer of just some areas that we knew we needed to work with businesses on.

1180
01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:15,720
And you'll see that the business on the left has seating both kind of in front of their

1181
01:42:15,720 --> 01:42:18,980
business as well as on the other side as well as planters.

1182
01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:23,980
They also have umbrellas and umbrellas create an accessibility challenge too.

1183
01:42:24,180 --> 01:42:28,800
So we would ask that business that they want to have outdoor seating just to maintain it within

1184
01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:30,860
the four feet directly in front of their business.

1185
01:42:31,620 --> 01:42:36,320
The picture on the right is similar and the interesting thing is that this is at night when

1186
01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:37,320
the business is closed.

1187
01:42:37,320 --> 01:42:42,660
so we really want to make sure that if they have outdoor seating that they're doing a good job

1188
01:42:42,660 --> 01:42:49,960
maintaining that within their license agreement. And then the third opportunity really now that we

1189
01:42:49,960 --> 01:42:57,880
have wonderful sidewalks, we have landscaping in Snyder Plaza, we want that to be enjoyed. We want

1190
01:42:57,880 --> 01:43:04,860
businesses to know that if they are interested in doing a special event permit, that is a kind of

1191
01:43:04,860 --> 01:43:08,760
one time event that allows them to share with the community,

1192
01:43:08,980 --> 01:43:11,720
either their food, their whatever product they have,

1193
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:14,020
entertainment, that opportunity is there.

1194
01:43:14,180 --> 01:43:16,580
They would just have to go through a permit process.

1195
01:43:16,980 --> 01:43:19,240
We do this in many cases as well.

1196
01:43:19,740 --> 01:43:22,760
It would come to you if they're gonna have more than 200 people

1197
01:43:22,760 --> 01:43:24,400
just so that we have a safe event.

1198
01:43:25,120 --> 01:43:28,140
And we can show photos from a special event permit

1199
01:43:28,140 --> 01:43:30,300
that happened in 2024 in Snyder Plaza.

1200
01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:34,440
You can see there were people that had their product

1201
01:43:34,440 --> 01:43:41,880
which is typically not allowed, but just to let people know there are that opportunities to use that sidewalk.

1202
01:43:42,500 --> 01:43:50,360
So really tonight is a resolution that would consider the license agreement for tables and chairs outside of Senator Plaza.

1203
01:43:50,840 --> 01:43:55,580
If it's approved, we really would start this week working through a communication strategy.

1204
01:43:55,800 --> 01:43:59,920
We want to make sure all of Senator Plaza merchants know about this.

1205
01:43:59,920 --> 01:44:08,640
We would specifically reach out to those businesses that would need a license agreement, make sure they're aware of this, and then we would work through it.

1206
01:44:08,840 --> 01:44:15,040
We're proposing an effective date of February 1st, so there's some time for businesses to get this into consideration.

1207
01:44:16,180 --> 01:44:21,720
Before we started this, we thought January, we're not going to have a lot of outdoor dining, but of course today is a lovely day.

1208
01:44:21,720 --> 01:44:27,060
So, but we we're going to work with businesses that are currently using that

1209
01:44:27,060 --> 01:44:32,180
sidewalk just to make sure everyone knows what the regulations are and going

1210
01:44:32,180 --> 01:44:35,560
forward. It's a smooth transition, but I'd be glad to answer any questions you

1211
01:44:35,560 --> 01:44:40,900
may have. I have a question just about the four feet, right? Yes. The requirement is

1212
01:44:40,900 --> 01:44:45,640
that there is four feet and I'll you know on the sidewalk, right? In order to pass

1213
01:44:45,640 --> 01:44:51,440
by. Correct. And then we in addition to that have the four feet from the façade

1214
01:44:51,440 --> 01:44:55,240
out of the building out that they can put something.

1215
01:44:55,740 --> 01:44:59,320
That is correct, and I will say this, and Katie can help me too.

1216
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:17,560
The accessible area is a minimum of four feet. I believe it's five feet actually is desired, but four feet is the minimum. Okay. And currently they're not allowed to have anything on the parking curb side. That is correct. Okay. That is correct. Thank you for clarifying. Yes, absolutely.

1217
01:45:21,900 --> 01:45:33,240
Mayor, I move approval of 25297, a resolution approving a license agreement form for use of the public sidewalk in our new beautiful Snyder Plaza. I'll second it.

1218
01:45:33,240 --> 01:45:34,260
No, it's in a second.

1219
01:45:34,420 --> 01:45:35,120
I'll listen to you.

1220
01:45:35,220 --> 01:45:35,400
Hi.

1221
01:45:35,620 --> 01:45:36,120
Bill Filman.

1222
01:45:36,320 --> 01:45:36,440
Hi.

1223
01:45:36,780 --> 01:45:36,920
We're calling.

1224
01:45:37,120 --> 01:45:37,280
Hi.

1225
01:45:37,980 --> 01:45:39,420
I remember what time it passes.

1226
01:45:39,780 --> 01:45:40,140
Thank you.

1227
01:45:41,700 --> 01:45:42,560
Next item, Robby.

1228
01:45:42,860 --> 01:45:43,080
All right.

1229
01:45:43,160 --> 01:45:47,880
Mayor and Councillor, your next item is going to be a proposed ordinance, which will designate one

1230
01:45:47,880 --> 01:45:49,920
way streets on the Year's Schneider Plaza.

1231
01:45:50,720 --> 01:45:54,140
A related item that you're going to talk about next is also related to loading and unloading

1232
01:45:54,140 --> 01:45:54,340
zones.

1233
01:45:54,620 --> 01:45:57,440
So just know that those two are kind of combined with their separate items.

1234
01:45:58,140 --> 01:45:58,360
Yes.

1235
01:45:58,440 --> 01:45:59,000
Thank you, Mr. Quarter.

1236
01:45:59,120 --> 01:46:00,000
Good evening, Mayor and Council.

1237
01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:11,360
As Mr. Carter said, I'm actually bringing two items in the same presentation to you but we'll call for separate motions at the end as well.

1238
01:46:12,760 --> 01:46:24,420
You'll recall back in November, our November 18 meeting, we brought to you after some significant displays of damage to Snyder Plaza's

1239
01:46:24,420 --> 01:46:30,100
the ability to limit the heavy truck activities throughout Snyder Plaza.

1240
01:46:30,540 --> 01:46:36,460
That's the area shown here in red as to limit the number of vehicles, excuse me,

1241
01:46:36,540 --> 01:46:38,980
the number of axles on the vehicle as well as the weight restrictions.

1242
01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:45,180
With that, is the area in areas in green where we are encouraging those heavy trucks

1243
01:46:45,180 --> 01:46:47,520
and activity to happen.

1244
01:46:47,920 --> 01:46:51,660
The signs are up now, it's being enforced, that's working quite nicely.

1245
01:46:51,660 --> 01:47:05,260
But in addition to that, we needed to bring forward some regulations regarding deliveries as far as locations and timeframes for those, and we have another separate ordinance to consider one way alleys.

1246
01:47:06,260 --> 01:47:18,840
Back when we first started this discovery part of this, Amanda Hartwick went and did some research regarding what other cities are doing that have retail areas and other shopping areas as well.

1247
01:47:18,840 --> 01:47:23,920
you can see them here. If they do regulate deliveries, if there's a specific location

1248
01:47:23,920 --> 01:47:28,340
in time, if there's a wait limit for trucks that are coming in and around your area, we've

1249
01:47:28,340 --> 01:47:33,060
already talked about the wait limits. Today's is specifically about a location and timeframes

1250
01:47:33,060 --> 01:47:40,160
for deliveries. And we took that information and brought, through a work session to you,

1251
01:47:40,380 --> 01:47:46,340
the possibility of having delivery zones in the alleys specifically. This was from October

1252
01:47:46,340 --> 01:47:47,280
So we're of 2025.

1253
01:47:48,020 --> 01:47:51,240
We actually proposed these areas on both alleys.

1254
01:47:51,380 --> 01:47:57,220
You can see the Snyder Plaza and Hersey alleys that I'll talk about as the West alle north is up.

1255
01:47:57,560 --> 01:47:59,720
And the East alle is Hillcrest to Snyder Plaza.

1256
01:47:59,880 --> 01:48:06,740
We were proposing these for both alleys, despite the fact that the eastern half of the plaza is all commercial.

1257
01:48:06,900 --> 01:48:09,140
This is an exclusively commercial alle.

1258
01:48:09,640 --> 01:48:15,080
The alle on the West side has residents on, this is all residential on the West side of the alle.

1259
01:48:15,080 --> 01:48:18,200
and then of course the commercial that's fronting Snyder Plaza.

1260
01:48:19,180 --> 01:48:24,520
We also took both of these, took this particular piece and some recommendations to the Commercial

1261
01:48:24,520 --> 01:48:29,340
Retail Advisory Committee and the Public Works Advisory Committee for separate recommendations

1262
01:48:29,340 --> 01:48:31,820
to bring forward to you to consider this additionally.

1263
01:48:32,540 --> 01:48:38,400
Commercial Retail Advisory Committee was in favor of this recommendation, supportive of delivery

1264
01:48:38,400 --> 01:48:42,880
locations as well as restricting the hours where they would, when they would take place.

1265
01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:56,640
I encourage us to have lots of sign-eds required in the alleys to indicate those locations and really to have a strong communication strategy with the businesses to support them and related to how that would work.

1266
01:48:57,320 --> 01:49:08,060
The Public Works Advisory Committee basically said the same thing, but they were questioning the need for a regulation in that East alleys, there's not residences there.

1267
01:49:08,060 --> 01:49:15,660
So questioning whether we needed to even have this one here or not as a zone because there's the primary issue here is

1268
01:49:15,660 --> 01:49:22,860
Residences that the only the residents can only access their property from the alley and it completely if there's a truck parked here it completely blocks them.

1269
01:49:22,980 --> 01:49:30,520
So it is much more of a need on the west side of the alley than west side of center plaza than the east alley of center plaza.

1270
01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:48,540
PUAC also recommended making these two alleys one way, basically a couplet, so a couplet meaning that one alley is one way, one direction in this case north, and the other is one way back south the other direction.

1271
01:49:48,880 --> 01:49:51,620
This mirrors how the sanitation trucks actually already operate.

1272
01:49:52,120 --> 01:49:58,880
They move through the eastern alley from south to north, and then they come back on the residential side from north to south.

1273
01:49:58,880 --> 01:49:59,920
So with

1274
01:50:00,020 --> 01:50:26,920
We are bringing both of those to you today. We additionally, from a delivery perspective, we put out a survey in November to the community at large. We received 52 responses. You can see here the makeup of those university park residents, some business owners, some property owners, sometimes those overlap. And we specifically were seeking some information related to if they're support of delivery zones.

1275
01:50:26,920 --> 01:50:33,700
You can see here about over 70% were either in support or a strongly supportive of having zones.

1276
01:50:34,040 --> 01:50:38,480
We showed them the map that we had it from October 2025.

1277
01:50:39,020 --> 01:50:41,540
Those areas in red, if they would be supportive of that.

1278
01:50:42,120 --> 01:50:43,720
You can see there were some strongly opposed.

1279
01:50:43,880 --> 01:50:44,620
They left some comments.

1280
01:50:44,740 --> 01:50:50,220
It was more related to how their specific business may not have a rear entry.

1281
01:50:50,400 --> 01:50:51,240
So how's that going to work?

1282
01:50:51,360 --> 01:50:52,100
Those kinds of things.

1283
01:50:53,060 --> 01:50:59,020
Additionally, we had a question related to when would be a disruptive time for those deliveries

1284
01:50:59,020 --> 01:51:04,340
to take place, and the overwhelming majority of that was the middle of the day, lunchtime

1285
01:51:04,340 --> 01:51:05,080
hours midday.

1286
01:51:05,860 --> 01:51:11,240
You will see at the end at the bottom here that there were several responses that delivered

1287
01:51:11,240 --> 01:51:16,180
should be allowed at any time, that it's not we shouldn't regulate this in the first place.

1288
01:51:17,920 --> 01:51:23,760
We also ask the question about best times for deliveries, and you can see these top two

1289
01:51:23,760 --> 01:51:30,920
there, either early morning or late at night, which goes hand in hand with the most restrictive

1290
01:51:30,920 --> 01:51:34,500
time is in the middle of the day, which makes sense, that's when the most traffic is around.

1291
01:51:35,640 --> 01:51:41,840
There's also, there were a little over 17.5% that were not supportive of any designated time

1292
01:51:41,840 --> 01:51:42,720
for this to occur.

1293
01:51:42,720 --> 01:52:07,400
So, staff brought forward to be able to bring an ordinance to you today, the recommendation that we took the recommendation from Public Works Advisory Committee to not designate delivery zones in the eastern alley and we were bringing forward the opportunity to have prohibit deliveries between 11 a.m. and 2 p.m. in response to the survey responses that we got.

1294
01:52:08,780 --> 01:52:28,020
However, in writing, this ordinance and working with UPPD, it became very apparent that it was easier for us to designate where they can't be in the alleys as opposed to where they can be just to eliminate some questions about, well, if you're designating a delivery zone here, does that mean that these alleys don't have one so they all have to come over here?

1295
01:52:28,020 --> 01:52:34,380
It just made better sense to make those be a prohibitive location, so this is effectively

1296
01:52:34,380 --> 01:52:39,860
the negative image, the mere image of the map that I showed you before.

1297
01:52:40,280 --> 01:52:44,680
We were proposing a delivery zone here, we are now proposing that there's no loading

1298
01:52:44,680 --> 01:52:50,900
and unloading in these locations, which is immediately adjacent to the parts of the block

1299
01:52:50,900 --> 01:52:52,980
that where residents have their access.

1300
01:52:54,280 --> 01:52:57,420
And in addition, the one-way alleys, I'm going to talk about that one next.

1301
01:52:57,740 --> 01:53:03,320
So this is what we're proposing to use the, to mirror what sanitation already does and

1302
01:53:03,320 --> 01:53:11,060
have the eastern alley from the one-way northbound from Daniel up to Rankin, the 66 through 6,800 blocks.

1303
01:53:11,460 --> 01:53:19,460
And to the western alley from lovers land to Daniel, so the 7,000 block down to the 6,600 block to be one-way southbound.

1304
01:53:19,460 --> 01:53:27,280
that this would not impact the T alleys that are between Rankin and Milton and also Milton and Rosedale.

1305
01:53:30,140 --> 01:53:36,260
Like I said, here's the blocks themselves and the designation that is in the ordinance before you.

1306
01:53:36,680 --> 01:53:41,580
The main benefit of this is being able to not have trucks in direct opposition.

1307
01:53:41,580 --> 01:53:47,060
We're really encouraging heavy trucks to, not just heavy trucks, deliveries to happen in the alleys

1308
01:53:47,060 --> 01:53:53,060
and to be able to facilitate the movement of trucks in one direction that really enhances

1309
01:53:53,060 --> 01:53:55,120
the mobility through that area.

1310
01:53:56,720 --> 01:54:02,920
From the delivery ordinances, perspective, having no loading and unloading zones in the

1311
01:54:02,920 --> 01:54:08,520
alley west of Snyder Plaza, this would in the 6600 block, that is the north section of the

1312
01:54:08,520 --> 01:54:14,200
alley from 6600 to 6600 to 6600 to 6600, the addresses are specific to Snyder Plaza just

1313
01:54:14,200 --> 01:54:17,340
so that there is a tie to dress, but it affects the whole alley.

1314
01:54:17,800 --> 01:54:21,440
It's not just for one side or the other, but that's just how the ordinance is written.

1315
01:54:22,560 --> 01:54:34,180
In the 6,700 block and the 6,800 block, they're on the south end of that T alley from 6,701 up to the 6,717 and then 6,801 to 6,817.

1316
01:54:35,260 --> 01:54:43,820
Additionally, we are proposing to prohibit deliveries in the whole plaza of whether you are delivering in the alley or you are not delivering in the alley.

1317
01:54:43,820 --> 01:54:47,920
to restrict those deliveries to not happen between 11 a.m. and 2 p.m.

1318
01:54:48,800 --> 01:54:53,380
Regardless of the truck size, regardless of whether you are allowed to be in the plaza or not, just to help facilitate

1319
01:54:54,360 --> 01:54:59,380
the ability for the businesses to do business and help encourage patrons to be there.

1320
01:55:00,860 --> 01:55:30,200
And the one-way traffic I already talked about that. So the item before you tonight, there's two items. One is to consider an ordinance establishing no loading and unloading zones in the alley west of Snyder Plaza adjacent to residences and proposing the delivery restrictions between 11 a.m. and 2 p.m. in Snyder Plaza. It's also to consider an ordinance designated one-way alleys in Snyder Plaza as shown on the slide previously. This would take effect on

1321
01:55:30,200 --> 01:55:33,740
February 1st, very much like the sidewalk license agreement ordinance.

1322
01:55:33,840 --> 01:55:40,840
That would allow Pagerty and her communication team to really work with the businesses and get that information pulled together.

1323
01:55:41,640 --> 01:55:59,140
We've already been working with Sun West Communication, the consultant that's been helping with some of our communications throughout this project to work with us on a communication strategy, information flyers for delivery trucks, for drivers so that they know and then really start the signage and enforcement.

1324
01:55:59,140 --> 01:56:13,960
The one way alleys, the signage would be one way signs, it would be do not enter signs if you're coming the wrong direction very similar to how we have on a city street and painting arrows in the direction of travel that we're asking everyone to take.

1325
01:56:14,740 --> 01:56:22,640
Additionally, we have worked with public works to to stripe off the sections of the alley that are for that are designated for cars to travel.

1326
01:56:22,640 --> 01:56:46,660
So that there are some locations on, behind some of the businesses where they do have some parking area on private property, but we really want them to not overhang that yellow striped area so that trucks can actually get through the alleys and we'd be really encouraging and communicating that piece of that as well that if don't overhang you're impeding the roadway you will be ticketed those kinds of things.

1327
01:56:46,660 --> 01:56:56,600
So lastly, we are proposing to have these in place for nine months or so and revisit this item with you in the fall of 26.

1328
01:56:57,500 --> 01:57:07,700
That gives us a whole SMU semester through the spring semester and then to see how this is working if we need to expand it, if we need to contract it, if we need to make changes to that.

1329
01:57:08,800 --> 01:57:15,360
And that also gets us through the summer of which all really has its own traffic pattern in Snyder Plaza when school is not in session.

1330
01:57:15,360 --> 01:57:27,120
and we can make any refinements as needed, so with that I recommend passing these ordinances and I'm happy to take any questions and have discussion.

1331
01:57:28,420 --> 01:57:29,120
Thank you.

1332
01:57:30,160 --> 01:57:36,380
Ms. Barron, on behalf of the entire city, I would like to thank you and your team for everything you've done in Snyder Plaza.

1333
01:57:36,600 --> 01:57:36,780
Thank you.

1334
01:57:36,780 --> 01:57:38,140
That looks very nice.

1335
01:57:38,440 --> 01:57:38,640
Here.

1336
01:57:38,940 --> 01:57:39,280
Thank you.

1337
01:57:41,360 --> 01:57:42,780
I think it looks lovely too.

1338
01:57:43,540 --> 01:57:46,760
Mayor, I would like to make a motion to approve item two.

1339
01:57:46,760 --> 01:57:50,740
We do that, I've got a couple of people who want to speak, I'm sorry, 3-0-2.

1340
01:57:53,920 --> 01:57:57,160
David, you didn't say you're going to speak for against all that you've come up done.

1341
01:58:00,420 --> 01:58:04,400
I'm David or JB, and I'm a property owner at 66-19 Snyder Plaza.

1342
01:58:04,940 --> 01:58:12,380
And I believe I'm still the chairman of the Snyder Plaza parking task force going into my third year of that.

1343
01:58:13,000 --> 01:58:16,160
I have a couple of things I want to say, but I want to ask Katie a question.

1344
01:58:17,120 --> 01:58:21,940
The no-parking, the no-delivery zones are those no-delivery zones all the time?

1345
01:58:22,320 --> 01:58:22,760
Yes, sir.

1346
01:58:23,380 --> 01:58:25,640
So it looks to me if you put that back up there.

1347
01:58:30,030 --> 01:58:37,830
The blocks, especially the 6600 block, that no delivery zone, it looks like it's, and

1348
01:58:37,830 --> 01:58:42,910
with the addresses you gave, it's behind three restaurants.

1349
01:58:42,910 --> 01:58:53,310
which is, to me, is going to make it difficult for those businesses because they generally, as a property owner, I witness this,

1350
01:58:53,730 --> 01:58:59,590
their trucks are generally trucks that were not going to allow in the interior of the plaza anymore.

1351
01:59:00,130 --> 01:59:09,970
So if we've made those no delivery zones, I'm wondering where those trucks are going to go to deliver food to half shells and manditos and cubies.

1352
01:59:09,970 --> 01:59:29,190
Coobies a little bit different because they have their thing, but we're prohibiting those big trucks and we're also doing the 11 to 2, which I think is great, but I think we got to consider some of those businesses that require big delivery trucks as opposed to smaller ones that could get into the plaza.

1353
01:59:29,190 --> 01:59:36,570
So, is it kubis at the bottom and then banditas and half shells are all not in the, no unloading zone?

1354
01:59:37,330 --> 01:59:38,830
Or am I just off on mine?

1355
01:59:38,910 --> 01:59:45,050
No, you're correct, this is where, you can see the blue umbrella, this is actually half shells and banditas are right here and then kubis.

1356
01:59:46,330 --> 01:59:46,650
But-

1357
01:59:46,650 --> 01:59:49,570
Okay, I guess on this, the address is on there.

1358
01:59:49,690 --> 01:59:50,590
No, no, no, that's fine, so-

1359
01:59:50,590 --> 01:59:51,770
That's probably my-

1360
01:59:51,770 --> 01:59:59,490
So the idea being they aside from cubies and maybe

1361
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,980
There are a couple of us. None of these restaurants have a place for you to back up and actually back in a truck into, right? So they all have to pull up and stop and unload all their stuff. So what we're proposing is that instead of doing it right here, where you're blocking access to those driveways, they're just pulling up right here and bugging their load back over to, and same for not just food, but for linens, Penny Pomodoro when they get their fire load, their firewood load. They just don't stop here.

1362
02:00:29,980 --> 02:00:33,540
here, you can pull up a little bit further and not block access to the right.

1363
02:00:33,540 --> 02:00:34,620
Well, then that's for my question.

1364
02:00:34,800 --> 02:00:47,440
So what I was, I'd come up here to say is these are two things that we talked about when we first started the parking task force to try to figure out how to make those things easier as far as deliveries and times.

1365
02:00:47,980 --> 02:00:51,560
And so clearly Katie and her group have done a really good job working that out.

1366
02:00:52,040 --> 02:00:58,200
My view is, as the property owner is also the head of the parking committee.

1367
02:00:58,200 --> 02:01:02,240
I'm completely in favor with everything that's on here.

1368
02:01:02,440 --> 02:01:11,760
I think the one-way alleys are going to make a big difference because you're not going to have what I see all the time, which is a bunch of, and then the people that live there can get out.

1369
02:01:12,200 --> 02:01:12,860
So, thank you.

1370
02:01:13,320 --> 02:01:13,900
Thank you.

1371
02:01:14,100 --> 02:01:14,560
Thank you, David.

1372
02:01:17,940 --> 02:01:18,760
Bill Lang-Henry?

1373
02:01:19,840 --> 02:01:20,740
On his way up.

1374
02:01:23,110 --> 02:01:23,810
He's not here.

1375
02:01:29,630 --> 02:01:30,630
Bill Lang-Henry here?

1376
02:01:31,210 --> 02:01:31,410
No.

1377
02:01:31,990 --> 02:01:32,390
Not here.

1378
02:01:36,430 --> 02:01:44,650
He wrote in and said, I object to the concept of one way alleys as it would present an undue burden for employees and customers trying to get to their parking space behind our buildings,

1379
02:01:47,400 --> 02:01:50,360
probably said, okay,

1380
02:01:53,330 --> 02:01:57,750
we got to need a motion on 25302 possible.

1381
02:01:59,350 --> 02:02:04,910
I had one thing that we discussed in one more thing before you ask for that motion, Mayor.

1382
02:02:05,310 --> 02:02:18,090
One thing that we did discuss was the potential of expanding this Northern section up to the edge of this building, which is not the original address, so making that, let me get to the addresses.

1383
02:02:18,090 --> 02:02:26,630
So it would be 68-23, as opposed to 68-17, that would take it through the alley.

1384
02:02:27,990 --> 02:02:31,410
And we discussed that in the work session as a potential for y'all to also consider.

1385
02:02:31,650 --> 02:02:32,510
Can you go back to the map?

1386
02:02:32,910 --> 02:02:33,190
Yes, sir.

1387
02:02:34,630 --> 02:02:35,850
Those T alleys?

1388
02:02:36,170 --> 02:02:36,450
Yes, sir.

1389
02:02:36,450 --> 02:02:39,790
I don't think we should have a truck blocking the T alle.

1390
02:02:40,490 --> 02:02:42,090
So I actually talked about that with PD.

1391
02:02:42,350 --> 02:02:48,070
They can't do that right now anyway, as far as vehicular movement, because it's effective.

1392
02:02:52,410 --> 02:02:59,810
So we weren't necessarily needing to have that be there, but you can absolutely include those addresses so that it does not.

1393
02:03:00,450 --> 02:03:07,730
This particular case, the 6700 block, the addresses went through the T alley, it actually goes to this edge of this building right here.

1394
02:03:08,170 --> 02:03:14,050
So the graphic just does not, it's not as representative in this scale as I would like it to be.

1395
02:03:15,050 --> 02:03:28,850
But in this case it does not, the address for 68-17 is for the whole building, even though there's a suite right there, but we are proposing to take that up to this line right here, which would include that T Allie at 68-23.

1396
02:03:30,270 --> 02:03:30,750
Okay.

1397
02:03:31,410 --> 02:03:32,010
Thank you.

1398
02:03:33,250 --> 02:03:33,990
Now I'm done.

1399
02:03:34,430 --> 02:03:37,210
Need a motion on 25-302, one way Allie's.

1400
02:03:38,250 --> 02:03:53,590
Mayor, I'd like to make a motion of 25-302 to consider ordinance designating one-way alleys near Snyder Plaza with the exception of that change to 68-23, Snyder Plaza Drive, is that right?

1401
02:03:53,870 --> 02:03:54,830
That's for the second one.

1402
02:03:54,870 --> 02:03:55,730
That would be the second one.

1403
02:03:55,750 --> 02:03:56,510
That would be the next one.

1404
02:03:56,550 --> 02:03:56,590
That would be the next one.

1405
02:03:56,590 --> 02:03:57,170
That's the second one.

1406
02:03:57,510 --> 02:03:58,330
One way, it doesn't.

1407
02:03:58,790 --> 02:03:59,290
But yes.

1408
02:04:00,550 --> 02:04:02,470
I'll second 25-302.

1409
02:04:02,470 --> 02:04:04,090
I have motion to second.

1410
02:04:04,450 --> 02:04:04,690
Melissa?

1411
02:04:05,070 --> 02:04:05,550
Aye.

1412
02:04:06,010 --> 02:04:06,270
Phil?

1413
02:04:06,510 --> 02:04:06,690
Aye.

1414
02:04:07,170 --> 02:04:07,330
Mark?

1415
02:04:07,610 --> 02:04:07,770
Aye.

1416
02:04:08,190 --> 02:04:08,330
Mark?

1417
02:04:08,550 --> 02:04:09,910
I remember what time passes.

1418
02:04:10,770 --> 02:04:10,970
Okay.

1419
02:04:11,070 --> 02:04:14,890
Now I need a motion for a 25-303 adding 68-23.

1420
02:04:15,710 --> 02:04:16,950
Snider Plaza to it.

1421
02:04:20,060 --> 02:04:23,220
Mayor, I'd like to make a motion to 25-303.

1422
02:04:23,800 --> 02:04:29,540
Establish a no-loading, unloading zone in the alley west of Snider Plaza and prohibiting deliveries

1423
02:04:29,540 --> 02:04:39,300
from 11 a.m. to 2 p.m. and near Snyder Plaza with the caveat of change of 6823 Snyder Plaza.

1424
02:04:40,480 --> 02:04:42,580
I can get that right.

1425
02:04:43,320 --> 02:04:44,340
I feel.

1426
02:04:44,780 --> 02:04:56,180
All right, Mayor and council, the final item in your agenda this evening is public comments.

1427
02:04:56,180 --> 02:04:59,920
anyone wishing to address an item that is not on the agenda to do so at this time.

1428
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:07,940
Please be advised that it takes up a means act, the council cannot act on item that is not on the agenda. Members of the audience, I encourage speak with staff or council following the meeting.

1429
02:05:20,950 --> 02:05:24,830
All right.

1430
02:05:28,060 --> 02:05:40,540
So how y'all do it? Y'all know who I be, and I come here because I saw in San Francisco, they just passed reparations. They're giving $5 million to each black citizen.

1431
02:05:40,540 --> 02:05:49,020
And I want to say marriage to it as the only black man that lives in university part the only black Hebrew israelite so I'm Jewish as well a black Jewish man

1432
02:05:49,780 --> 02:05:52,600
I wish you could put some on the agenda

1433
02:05:52,600 --> 02:05:57,220
To try to get reparations here in university part because I know if you look in this room

1434
02:05:57,220 --> 02:06:02,680
It looks like it's white power out or if you look at it if I had to guess I would think I was at a clan rally

1435
02:06:02,680 --> 02:06:04,520
So I live here

1436
02:06:04,520 --> 02:06:09,660
I'm one of the only black men in this kind of and I'd like to move to San Francisco, but I'm on probation

1437
02:06:09,660 --> 02:06:16,260
So I'm just thinking like what can I do who can I talk to and I can talk to you mayor because they look the mayor of San Francisco

1438
02:06:16,260 --> 02:06:18,440
Did it and you know what they do in San Francisco?

1439
02:06:19,440 --> 02:06:27,920
Not good, so I'm just telling you this reparations and I'm 57 years old proof black don't crack. Thank you, mayor

1440
02:07:28,840 --> 02:07:32,100
Thank you so much for having me. My name is Chase Woodall.

1441
02:07:32,500 --> 02:07:38,640
I live at 2928 Fondren Drive, a lifelong resident, served on the Parks Committee, and

1442
02:07:38,640 --> 02:07:43,740
And I just wanted a quick minute to talk about an ongoing issue that I'm sure you're

1443
02:07:43,740 --> 02:07:46,680
all familiar with, which is the coyotes here in University Park.

1444
02:07:47,240 --> 02:07:53,380
The reason I'm bringing it up is two weeks ago, we walked outside into our front yard

1445
02:07:53,380 --> 02:07:58,000
to find just one of our catch-ripped pieces right out of front.

1446
02:07:58,640 --> 02:08:02,940
And it was really unfortunate because of my 57 and eight-year-old daughters who were the

1447
02:08:02,940 --> 02:08:07,560
ones that stumbled across them and found them and came in crying and telling me all about

1448
02:08:07,560 --> 02:08:12,740
it and we, you know, I obviously sent them away immediately because it was really heartbreaking

1449
02:08:12,740 --> 02:08:18,280
for them. And we went and buried the cat. It was in a vacant lot where he got, he got

1450
02:08:18,280 --> 02:08:24,480
mulled by coyotes. And we did our best to try to keep them inside. We're trying to keep

1451
02:08:24,480 --> 02:08:29,940
the animals away. We, you know, I've read the pamphlets that, you know, we just need to haze

1452
02:08:29,940 --> 02:08:35,460
them that we need to coexist with the coyotes. But I feel like this is kind of a difficult

1453
02:08:35,460 --> 02:08:40,160
task for the homeowners because I couldn't keep my cats inside. They would run out anytime

1454
02:08:40,160 --> 02:08:47,200
the kids would open the door. And it was really, really important it would happen. But as I

1455
02:08:47,200 --> 02:08:51,080
talked to a lot of the neighbors, I found that they were also having the same issues. Other people

1456
02:08:51,080 --> 02:08:58,380
were getting their pets eaten and cats or even small dogs that were getting attacked. I think

1457
02:08:58,380 --> 02:09:04,300
half the people that live in my section has said they have seen coyotes and one aspect or another

1458
02:09:04,300 --> 02:09:09,360
during broad daylight. Sometimes they look like large dogs. They look like

1459
02:09:09,360 --> 02:09:13,840
they're very well fed and I think the issue is that they're getting way too

1460
02:09:13,840 --> 02:09:18,620
comfortable to even come up to your front porch. My cat was on the front porch

1461
02:09:18,620 --> 02:09:24,140
when he got attacked and so for me I think it's kind of escalating into more of a

1462
02:09:24,140 --> 02:09:29,180
safety issue. The pamphlet tells me that I need to go out and haze them and you know

1463
02:09:29,180 --> 02:09:32,940
bangpots and hands and yell at them but I don't feel comfortable chasing the

1464
02:09:32,940 --> 02:09:35,640
I don't know any of my neighbors that would do that either.

1465
02:09:36,920 --> 02:09:41,860
So I don't know that I don't believe the co-exist really works that well.

1466
02:09:41,940 --> 02:09:49,140
I don't think the current process that we have is eliminating the issue.

1467
02:09:49,740 --> 02:09:54,420
I've read kind of some of the scientific stuff and kind of heard the opposition that they're

1468
02:09:54,420 --> 02:09:55,860
only going to multiply or whatnot.

1469
02:09:55,860 --> 02:09:59,860
But I guess my question is like how do you how do you protect the residents?

1470
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:29,000
So, this is from, you know, coyotes that are willing to walk up to their front porch and rip their animals into pieces, like we just had. Like, how do I, I mean, my kids keep coming to me. They say, can we get another cat? Can we get another dog? And I'm like, well, this is actually our fourth pet to die to coyotes 10 years ago. I grew up right around the corner on golf and roasted. I had two of my cats eaten in the front yard. And so the same situation happened there where the police came and they just kind of shoot the coyotes away. And that was really all that could be done.

1471
02:10:29,660 --> 02:10:34,580
And I started doing some research and I found that all the communities around us struggle

1472
02:10:34,580 --> 02:10:35,020
with this.

1473
02:10:35,140 --> 02:10:39,400
Obviously this is a huge struggle in every major city, but some of them are responding

1474
02:10:39,400 --> 02:10:39,880
differently.

1475
02:10:40,200 --> 02:10:43,840
So there was a attack on the Katie Trail.

1476
02:10:44,200 --> 02:10:48,800
So police officer had to shoot a coyote because he was charging people and coyotes are supposed

1477
02:10:48,800 --> 02:10:49,480
to be safe.

1478
02:10:49,640 --> 02:10:54,000
They're supposed to be afraid of people, but unfortunately they're too comfortable.

1479
02:10:54,000 --> 02:11:05,960
There's lots of coyote issues with biting children in Frisco, Arlington, Lake Highlands, East Dallas, and these are all documented within the last year.

1480
02:11:06,760 --> 02:11:12,300
And so I think that we need to look at some proactive ways to address the coyote situation.

1481
02:11:12,600 --> 02:11:16,680
And I'm not an anti-coyote person, I don't want to go eliminate all the coyote population.

1482
02:11:16,680 --> 02:11:30,840
I just don't want to come home and feel like I can't own animals without the fear of them getting ripish reds in the front yard and having to address the children and say I'm so sorry the tuxen haven got killed and you had to witness that.

1483
02:11:31,480 --> 02:11:38,500
I just think it's silly. Like I think it's silly and ridiculous that that's the problem that we deal with in university park and it's been an ongoing issue.

1484
02:11:38,500 --> 02:11:45,720
And even when I talk to the police officers, I talk to Christine, like everybody's familiar

1485
02:11:45,720 --> 02:11:50,640
with the problem, everybody's had a run-in with it, or they've seen them.

1486
02:11:50,640 --> 02:11:53,840
I talked to a police officer today, he said, yeah, I get calls all the time.

1487
02:11:54,380 --> 02:11:58,140
The dispatcher says she gets a call just about every day about coyote sightings.

1488
02:11:58,720 --> 02:12:03,380
So I think there's a point where you get past the co-exist strategy if you're seeing them

1489
02:12:03,900 --> 02:12:06,040
during the daylight and they're mulling your animals.

1490
02:12:06,640 --> 02:12:12,920
And so at what point do we start being proactive about the coyotes instead of reactive?

1491
02:12:13,240 --> 02:12:15,500
Because what if it becomes a large or worse situation?

1492
02:12:15,660 --> 02:12:20,180
What if it's a kid that gets bent like happened in Arlington, and that park to head to shut down?

1493
02:12:20,660 --> 02:12:23,980
Or Frisco or some of these neighboring communities that have had that situation?

1494
02:12:24,160 --> 02:12:28,580
I think God that hasn't happened here, I'm not aware of if it has, pray it doesn't happen.

1495
02:12:28,660 --> 02:12:34,220
But I think if we're proactive in trying to reinstall some type of fear in the coyote population,

1496
02:12:34,220 --> 02:12:36,400
and it will protect us, it will protect our pets,

1497
02:12:36,560 --> 02:12:37,540
and it will protect our childrens.

1498
02:12:38,060 --> 02:12:39,720
On my street, there's 22 kids.

1499
02:12:40,220 --> 02:12:43,140
They're all on the elementary school age level.

1500
02:12:43,320 --> 02:12:44,640
At my five year old last night,

1501
02:12:44,840 --> 02:12:46,280
she didn't want me to leave her bedroom

1502
02:12:46,280 --> 02:12:48,440
because she's afraid of coyotes.

1503
02:12:49,040 --> 02:12:50,140
So I had to sit there with her

1504
02:12:51,080 --> 02:12:53,180
and I just think it's a silly problem.

1505
02:12:53,360 --> 02:12:53,900
We've got everything,

1506
02:12:54,320 --> 02:12:56,940
this is probably the best community anywhere in the South.

1507
02:12:57,460 --> 02:13:00,820
The only problem we have that I see is our wildlife,

1508
02:13:02,240 --> 02:13:03,700
which is I think ridiculous.

1509
02:13:04,220 --> 02:13:06,920
And I know we've got a good ecosystem for it.

1510
02:13:06,960 --> 02:13:08,380
We've got the creeks and we got all that.

1511
02:13:08,740 --> 02:13:12,900
But I do think there's something that can be done to kind of escalate this.

1512
02:13:13,020 --> 02:13:14,300
I saw what DeSoto did.

1513
02:13:14,800 --> 02:13:15,960
It was kind of controversial.

1514
02:13:16,520 --> 02:13:20,080
But they did hire USDA wildlife services to address it.

1515
02:13:20,160 --> 02:13:23,340
They had only five pets eaten in a short period of time.

1516
02:13:24,120 --> 02:13:26,680
And they went and contracted them to solve their problem.

1517
02:13:27,140 --> 02:13:28,440
And some people didn't like that.

1518
02:13:28,520 --> 02:13:33,280
But I would say that a majority of people that I talked to would be very happy if the city

1519
02:13:33,280 --> 02:13:35,940
work to somehow proactively address this problem.

1520
02:13:36,740 --> 02:13:40,300
I mean, I don't think you can just come and educate the people and say, hey, you just

1521
02:13:40,300 --> 02:13:44,560
need to hide inside, keep all your pets inside, and stop feeding the coyotes.

1522
02:13:45,120 --> 02:13:47,580
I don't know anybody who's actively feeding the coyotes.

1523
02:13:48,320 --> 02:13:51,900
And I don't know anybody who can really successfully keep their pets inside.

1524
02:13:52,020 --> 02:13:56,300
Maybe you guys have, but I hope you all don't have to go through the situation that, you know,

1525
02:13:56,340 --> 02:13:57,280
less than our family went through.

1526
02:13:57,740 --> 02:13:59,300
But that's already been done.

1527
02:13:59,300 --> 02:14:15,960
And so I'm just here hoping that we can do something so that my neighbors and the rest of the community and the children are safe from, from the situation, but I do appreciate you guys listening and I hope that it's not white noise and I hope I'm not just the thousand person to say something about it, but

1528
02:14:17,000 --> 02:14:23,880
I appreciate your consideration. I really thank you for all you guys done tonight and I guess we just saved the best problem for last, right?

1529
02:14:25,340 --> 02:14:26,760
You'll have a wonderful night, thank you.

1530
02:14:26,920 --> 02:14:31,220
Chief, you got any comments to make on his statement?

1531
02:14:31,640 --> 02:14:32,320
We need to travel.

1532
02:14:34,380 --> 02:14:38,480
Just thank you, Mary, just that we've been for a while tracking coyote sightings and

1533
02:14:39,020 --> 02:14:44,480
encourage people to call in to dispatch center at 2.4363-3000 whenever they see one,

1534
02:14:44,640 --> 02:14:47,320
give us the time, location, and direction of travel.

1535
02:14:47,320 --> 02:14:50,080
And we're tracking those to see if we might need to get some help in the state.

1536
02:14:50,700 --> 02:14:51,200
Thank you.

1537
02:14:55,710 --> 02:14:56,410
You may else have missed?

1538
02:14:57,970 --> 02:14:58,690
Me and the jury.