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24, 2025, at 6 p.m. at City Hall. May I have a roll call? Council, agency authority, members,

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doctin, Richie, Silva, Fremile, Quiley, vice mayor, vice chair, Chapman, mayor, chair

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carp. Here. And there was a notice that there would be a remote by council member Silva,

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but he is here tonight. So we're going to have to go through that process. So with that, if

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If you're able, please rise for a moment of silence.

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Fallen by the pledge.

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This

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is a pledge.

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Yes.

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Ready begin.

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I pledge that you can choose to rely over the United States

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and America into the revolving for which it stands.

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One nation under God, indivisible,

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with liberty and justice for our own.

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Do we have any changes to tonight's agenda?

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Yes, Mayor.

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The one change we do have is that we are pulling

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the closed session item.

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Okay, so other than a closed session everything remains do I have a motion motion a second all in favor. Alright, so next we will move on to the consent calendar. There's items A through I any member of the council or the public wishing to pull an item.

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We have a presentation tonight so we're not going into the consent calendar just yet.

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It's parks and recreation month and there is a proclamation presentation but with us tonight there is our public works director Bruce Mulder and a record manager Elizabeth Cressante.

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I believe you're in the in the house and you have a short presentation I do believe.

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All right,

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you're thinking about that.

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You had other plans for tonight, didn't you?

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There you go.

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Mayor, vice mayor, and council members.

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This is my first time in this chair, so I'm excited to be here.

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So I'm Bruce Molder, your director of parks and recreation.

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And with me is Elizabeth Kursante, a recreation manager.

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So we are once again here to celebrate July as National Parks and

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Recreation Month.

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In addition, as recognized by California Parks and

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So last year, staff provided you with fairly robust overview of our department and all the things we do.

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This year, we'd like to take this opportunity to dig a little deeper into some of the fire-reaching impacts Parks and Recreation has on our community and on our local economy.

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So,

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we employ 26 full-time staff and over 200 part-time staff to provide programs and events for Vacaville's growing community while we're 100,000 residents.

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In addition, because we sit halfway between Sacramento and the Bay Area, we also draw people in from all those other areas.

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Parks and Recreation is about fostering inclusion while engaging and creating a sense of community so we welcome people from all over and all walks of life.

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Parks and Recreation is a core component of the city's strategic plan.

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Specifically, goal number three and goalsh enhanced back of those quality of life and promote community engagement and increase equity and inclusion.

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In a research report published by the Trust for Public Land in 2024, positive correlations

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were drawn between cities who invested in more parks, trails, and open space.

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These cities' experience

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errates for both residential and commercial real estate.

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The report illustrated that investigative

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cycle.

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High quality parks and recreation places attract workers, which attract employers, which

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which in turn attract more investments and jobs.

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That parks

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and recreation promotes community by creating collective spaces for neighborhood

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gatherings, cultural celebrations and interactions with other neighbors, and it promotes

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parks

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and recreation integral to the city's strategic plan.

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It also has a positive impact on the local economy, according to an app

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operations and capital

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spending.

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So, using this report format, we estimate that Vacaville's Parks and Recreation Department generates over 18 million in economic activity.

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This underscores that Parks and Recreation is essential to the bite.

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Parks and Open Space are at the heart of Parks and Recreation.

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According to a

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78%

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who reside on the West Coast live within a walking distance to a park or recreation facility.

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Additionally, 86% of the same respondents said that proximity of a parking recreation facility is highly desirable when choosing where to live.

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The study also found that residents living near a park are more likely to use active means of traveling to a parker recreation facility.

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So these statistics reinforce that parks and recreation supports the city's strategic plan and efforts to make vacability highly desirable place to live.

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Our newest park space is phase two of the

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city also completed work on Nashimesto, Cordero's Park, and Lagoon Valley, archery range and dog parks.

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Additionally, construction projects are underway,

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trowel,

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and I'll now turn it over to Elizabeth who will highlight some of our department operations that lead to a lot of these endeavors.

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Thank you, Bruce.

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Our three main community centers listed here, primarily support department offered programs

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and accommodate external rentals.

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Three Oaks pictured at the bottom and set up for an event quite lovely I might add, was

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built in 1973 and retains all of its original aesthetics.

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As charming as it is, we are continually challenged with modernizing its infrastructure to support current needs.

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One project in the works is an aesthetic upgrade to the kitchen.

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The current layout, appliances, and storage are outdated and not desirable for rentals.

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You lattice, the largest rental space we have, boasted 372 rentals for this fiscal year,

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with just over 33,000 people coming through the doors.

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That is about one third of vacables existing population.

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Also pictured here are the waterslides out Graham Aquatic Center, and while these evoke

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a sense of fun and excitement, what we want to emphasize is that the pool also offers

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essential services. Each year, hundreds of children are learning how to swim, which is an indispensable

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life skill. In addition, we are offering swim lessons for adults as well. Most recently, we

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We had several participants who shared the experience a traumatic event in their childhood

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that caused them to be afraid of the water.

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Their courage in participating in our program has afforded them the ability to now enjoy

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the water with their children and their grandchildren, with confidence and not paralyzing fear.

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We also teach CPR, first aid, and lifeguard skills that train individuals, life saving techniques

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necessary to work both in and out of the water.

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Many of the staff we employ get into aquatics

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as an introduction to the medical field

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of nursing, being a physician or an EMT.

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So one of the things I want to circle back to

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with these numbers here on the slide

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is just imagine the foot traffic,

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these facilities will get when the population expands

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by another 20 to 30,000 in the next 10 to 20 years.

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In an effort to keep up with this anticipated growth in our community, the department continues

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to build, create, and upgrade parks and facilities.

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Additional facility improvements that have occurred to promote safety and security are

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the replacement and upgrades of security cameras at both three Oaks and the Graham Aquatic

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Center, which we hope to eventually do at all of the community centers.

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And on the horizon for this year is the installation of bulletproof glass at the Georgie Duke Sports Center front counter.

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That is to streamline it with all of our other public buildings that already have it.

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We also plan to purchase and install upgraded AV equipment at ULATIS Community Center,

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which will enhance the quality of city sponsored events, meetings as well as external facility rentals.

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The much-anticipated centennial by-park is now receiving literal loads of dirt through

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the innovative contract with Landify, a project that has already saved the city quite

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a bit of money in its early stages.

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This past year, Vacaville performing arts theater invested in a new and improved stage floor

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that is more durable than the last.

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It will now no longer require theater staff to block out potential rental dates for

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annual maintenance and painting.

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Here we have listed some of our innovations and successes for the last year.

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Program registration came in at almost 28,000, which is an 8.6% increase from the previous

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And our participant wait lists were at 4,300, which is over 55% increase from previous

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year. This number really underlines how our existing inventory of facilities and programming

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spaces hardly supports the existing population, let alone what's to come. Many of the programs

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and activities we offer are for at-risk populations. Active aging, adaptive recreation, teens, community

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special events all offer programs and membership models that are free or low cost in an effort

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to ensure the community has equitable access.

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This year, we received a digital literacy grant

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that is allowing us to offer free technology classes

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at McBride as well as have the seniors receive

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a free device upon completion of the program.

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Seniors are learning modern technology

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designed to keep them connected to loved ones

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and friends to combat the social isolation

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this demographic often experiences.

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staff are also partnering with Solano County Office of Education to offer life skills courses to both the teens and adaptive recreation populations.

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Participants are learning how to create resumes, they are learning how to balance a modern day checkbook, and they are also learning how to practice cyber security safety and much more.

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We continue to offer scholarships for qualifying families so they can take part in our programs and essential services.

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This year we awarded 257 scholarships, which equates to the total of $150,000.

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The full amount of the scholarships was given out.

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And we so appreciate that city administration and council see the value in this continuing to offer this resource as we move into the next fiscal year.

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We

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know council and many of the folks at home are aware of the wide range of events we do.

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Two of our proudest accomplishments are the continued execution of Mary-May on Maine,

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our largest community event, and VacaCon, which we won the award of excellence for from

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California Parks and Recreation Society.

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Both events bring out close to 10,000 attendees because they create a safe and fun environment

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for attendees to gather and celebrate.

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our department dives deeper into the public art movement, we have gained even more momentum

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this year with the collaboration and installation of the Labyrinthine Heart downtown, which was

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donated by Genentech, as well as visit Vacaville's cows on parade.

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The Vacaville Arts and Culture Master Plan has received high praise from those who reviewed

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G'day g'day g'day g'day g'day g'day g'day.

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We look forward to your input as well as we anticipate the start of future projects outlined in this plan, such as utility box art and activating some of our more public spaces and seeking out collaborations with local businesses and the school district.

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In our line of work, our motto is creating community. So the more interaction and participation we have, the better. There are numerous ways that folks can at home can support parts and recreation.

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participation, participating in our offerings, volunteering at an event, quoting a sports

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team, interacting with us on social media, people can share their photos, and tag us,

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and obviously give us feedback on their experiences so that we can continue on our growth and improvement.

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Our department email is here, so jot it down or snap a pic if you're at home.

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It is important for us to know what the community wants.

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And you can advocate for what you'd like to see by watching or participating in public

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meetings like the Parks and Recreation Commission or here at City Council.

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You can always help by simply spreading the word about what we do.

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For 40 years, the United States has celebrated Parks and Recreation Month in July to recognize

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the meaningful and lasting impact this field has on the vitality of community and economic

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benefit. July 18th is specifically devoted to the people behind the work. Nationwide, there are

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more than 160,000 full-time park and recreation and hundreds of, excuse me, park recreation professionals

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and hundreds of thousands of part-time and seasonal workers and volunteers who maintain our counties,

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local, state and community parks. And as a reminder here in our own department, we have just 26 full-time

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staff and approximately 200 part-time staff.

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And how can you celebrate with us?

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Attend an activity or an event.

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Visit one of the many parks, recreation areas, or facilities we have to offer in Vacaville.

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Not just in July but throughout the year.

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Our programs and services help cultivate lifelong friendships, memories, and family bond.

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In a nutshell, parks and recreation is for everyone.

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We are here for you.

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And that concludes our presentation, so thank you very much for this opportunity to present to you.

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Thank you to both of you and really we do appreciate you joining the City of

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Accadil and bringing all your experience. But as you know, you joined a team and I don't know of any other

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department that has as much of the part-time staff trying to manage all the activities and there's

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there's something in it for everyone.

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So, in appreciation and recognition for what the parks

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and rec do for our city, it's also a lot easier

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that's no longer community services like it was years ago.

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What's that?

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It's parks and rec.

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So, it's my honor to read this proclamation,

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whereas California is fortunate to have a variety of park systems

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that provide countless recreational opportunities

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for residents and visitors alike.

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And whereas parks help to preserve and protect the natural and cultural resources of California

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and offer pleasant surroundings for leisure activities, relaxation and recreation.

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In safe parks and recreation programs, help prevent social programs, offer positive

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alternatives for youth, contribute to good health, enhance the desirability of locations

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for new business and families, stimulate tourism revenues, and generally provide an overall

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improve quality of life and whereas thousands of

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vacuable children adults and seniors benefit from the wide range of services,

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facilities and programs provided by the vacuable parks and

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recreation department and the city of vacuable recognizes and honors the

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vital contributions that the vacuable community services commission, employees and

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volunteers make each and every day to ensure that vacuables, parks and recreation

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programs and facilities are well maintained, and are a refuge where residents can relax,

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connect with family and friends, and reduce stress in their daily lives.

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So now, therefore, it will be resolved that I, John Carly, mayor of the City of Vacuvel

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and on behalf of the Vacuvel City Council, do hereby proclaim July 2025, Parks and Recreation

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Month in the City of Vacuvel and urge residents to enjoy and recognize the social, physical,

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mental and economic environmental and community benefits derived from our parks and recreation facilities, so thank you and congratulations.

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Thank you.

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I think the only ask is probably when we're doing park renovations if there ever was a way to do it in the winter time, right?

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Because summer rolls around and we're rehabbing two of our parks and we have heard a lot back but I'm hopeful that when the construction is done our residents will even further appreciate

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the long awaited improvements that will be coming and that will be a benefit for our whole community.

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So thank you.

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All right, now we'll go ahead and move on to the consent calendar.

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There's items A through I, any member of the council or the public wishing to pull an item.

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Seeing them, I'll go ahead and ask for a motion.

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Motion in a second, all in favor?

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Opposed?

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All right, we're going to go ahead and move on to business from the floor.

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This is an opportunity for any member of the public to address the council on any item

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that's not on tonight's agenda that's within our jurisdiction.

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And please come forward.

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Thank you, Mayor Carly.

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I'm extending my appreciation for your very professional and skillful leadership.

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I know it kind of sounds like I'm blowing smoke here, but you've proven yourself a very

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We were very, very much appreciated and also that of Councilman Stockton and Freemow.

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Many of us that talk, it's not lost upon us that the staff spend hundreds of hours

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addressing issues and of course the council tens to hundreds of hours on issues and then

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we come up from the gallery and you very patiently listen to our comments which don't

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I don't have the benefit of the depth that you've put in to each subject and appreciate your patients very much and I encourage the city to continue the way you're leading it right now.

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Thank you, sir.

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Thank you.

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Good evening.

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Good evening.

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Yeah, echoing the previous speaker, I too would like to thank members of the council for the amount of time that you spend with a lot of these issues that, like I say,

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We come up and talk about them and haven't necessarily seen as much as you have.

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However, let's go to another subject.

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I know that it hasn't been in the news a lot recently, but

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something that affects Vacaville very much is California forever,

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whether we like it or not.

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California forever is like that rat that's hiding out in your house, it's watching us at all times.

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back in July of last year, the county staff did a study that showed what the damage

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California would have to the economics of Solano County and to the cities of the county.

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California forever never disputed that study. Instead, they pulled their initiative from

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the ballot immediately after it came out and they went down to ground for a while.

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In recent months, California forever began to claim out of the blue that they were going

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to build a shipyard in Collinsville, and it was commented many times how California forever

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seems to change whatever they intended to do.

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First, they were going to be the high tech city with high tech industry, and then there

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were going to be a lagoon with swimming even though we've got all kind of water problems.

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And now, they're going to be a shipyard.

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Well, I know a little bit about shipyards, nothing could be further from the truth.

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Going to the, once again, the county study about the viability of a shipyard in Collinsville,

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It would cost extreme amounts of money, take many years, and it just isn't going to happen.

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The SHIPS Act that everyone was talking about would only provide $250 million a year.

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And it's designed to stimulate existing SHIP builders or SHIP yards.

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It is not going to provide any sort of contracts that would, in any way,

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shape or form make it viable to build a shipyard out where there is nothing right now.

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If any ships at money comes to Solano County, it would end up going, we hope, to

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Mara Island, because Mara Landrada Company is, in fact, a shipyard news flash.

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Anyone who says Solano County shipyard, they mean Mara Island.

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There's nothing ever going to be at Collinsville.

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So the thing with California forever is that there are nothing more in the words of former Senator

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Bill Dodd, nothing more than a real estate swindle.

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It's all it is.

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They're going to say whatever they got to say.

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I would like to leave copies of this with the clerk.

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It's synopsis of what the county staff said about what it would cost us.

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Yeah, thank you.

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If you just leave that with our staff.

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Good evening.

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Good evening.

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My name is Dylan Nielsen.

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26 years old, been a resident of my entire life here in backville.

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I live over on Louisiana right around this corner right here.

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So on May 5th, around 1030 in the evening, my fiance and I were in bed getting ready to fall asleep and heard a huge crash.

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I heard people outside, I went out to investigate, and a huge, I wouldn't even call it a branch.

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It's the size of a tree that came down nearly missing our home.

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And took out our front fence along the way with it narrowly striking two people in their dog.

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If this projectile was 45 degrees to the right, we would be in a whole different ballgame on where we're at right now.

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Now, it was to the point where a neighbor around the corner had heard it from his backyard

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and came rushing around.

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Good news is, back to real great public works response the next day came out to care

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for us, let us know the steps to take for myself and for my landlord Bob right here.

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This tree has, you know, dams of sidewalk, public works did a great job putting in some

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asphalt fixing in some of the cracks. The sidewalk is even bowed. This tree is doing, you know,

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damage all over the place.

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Now, we're getting a response, calling it an act of God. We're almost

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two months post past this. Now, it's being called an act of God and now there's nothing they can do

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about it. Where the city is doing for us, per se. After putting in the claims, taking the proper

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steps being very patient. So this is why we're here today. I would love for all of you guys to put

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yourself in our shoes and just imagine, you know, if this was your home or if it was your vehicle

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and AAA or Geico or someone looked at you in the face until you was an act of God and then now you're

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stuck with the mess. We've been very patient and I hope I'm not coming off, you know, in a very rude

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manner. I just want to bring it to light as to what's happening now. Again, we've been

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very patient. There's jagged edges left over. We're trying not to touch the crime scene,

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leaving it for everybody that way they can see. If we move something, we don't want to be at fault

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for anything, but we've been very patient. And I hope maybe something we can take away from this is,

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what can we do to help? Because being called an act of God right now is, I wouldn't call it ridiculous,

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But it's, you know, feels like a slap in the face for myself and my landlord with, we felt like we've been very patient, very kind, you know, not willing, you know.

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Come pounding on the door, but now we kind of feel like we need to bring it to light for you guys to hear and see.

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That's all the time I have.

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That's fine. Are you saying that's the trees, the city's tree, or?

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It was told to us that it was a city's tree, it goes street, dirt tree, then sidewalk, then home.

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If you wouldn't mind if you could leave your contact information so that one of us will be able to follow up with you.

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Absolutely, I've got plenty of photos and stuff as well to pass along.

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That would be great if you could do that.

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Awesome. I appreciate the time. Thank you Mayor. Thank you everybody.

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Hold on one second, sir.

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Are you going to speak on the same issue?

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I'm going to talk about the claim and the safety matter of that tree.

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Okay.

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Are you repeating what the gentleman just said?

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Okay.

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Come forward and then I'll get the gentleman who's waiting in the back.

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I have a property on 119, La Zina.

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Excuse me.

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Thank you Mayor, City Council for hearing us tonight and I'd like to see in everything

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you had there on the Park and Rex.

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but I've been a resident of a long time in Bakuil 40 years and we have this property over on

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Laxina my wife really likes that property and we fell in love with it and bought it maybe a

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little more than what we should have paid but my son lived there for years and he's a member of the

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police force here in Bakuil and my daughter and son or my other daughter lives here also but that

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That day they sent me down to do the claim, I filed the claim and they sent me that this

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This adjuster was going to come out and meet with me, but I got a phone call from her, and she told me to go out and get some estimates for repair. And, you know, this project in itself. And I tried some fence people. It's kind of ornamental fence, and they really didn't want to do anything with it. I got sick for about a week. And then we had, she called back and said,

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they denied my claim, I didn't even get any estimates into her and I'd like to open this back up to try to resolve this issue, it is a city tree, there's a safety issue there, when it's very strong, these widow makers, it's very dangerous for cars, people, houses, everything, I think you should have your city arborist go out and check that tree out before a real damage happens to you.

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Thank you very much for hearing this, but I'd like to hear from this claim adjuster that the City Attorney had me notified and I'd like to open this claim back up and make it more reasonable.

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Do you have any, is it City Tree?

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Sir, do you have any information or I'm just directed to our City Attorney, we'll just follow up and look into this claim.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Sir, thank you for waiting patiently.

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My name is Keith Lamont.

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I am a resident in Vacaville.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Thank you, Vice Mayor.

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It was a pleasure talking to you

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and pride the other day.

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I just want to follow up and say,

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liberty and justice for all.

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I'm very grateful for the,

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as a gay man and a resident of Vacaville.

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I'm very grateful for the decision that was made.

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There's been a couple of sessions here

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where I've heard a lot of homophobia, transphobia, some bigotry, even reading the post for pride

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on social media. A lot of hateful comments and I'm grateful to say, you know, liberty and

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justice for all. The Pride Festival was an amazing day of queer parents celebrating with their

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children. Nobody was being indoctrinated. Children's genders weren't being reassigned. It was nothing,

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but love, effectiveness, and purposeful advocacy. So I just want to thank the City of Acoville

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for the valiant efforts and staying late that night to make this decision. And I'll continue to be

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a voice for vulnerable communities. And I'm grateful to be an advocate in the City of Acoville. So thank

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Seeing no one else, I'm going to go ahead and close business

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from the floor.

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And we will move on to city manager.

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I think we're going to step into our first public hearing.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Members of the council, this first public hearing

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is a resolution approving the landscaping,

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landscaping lighting maintenance assessment districts

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for fiscal year 2025, 26.

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We have Brian McLean, your public works manager,

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and public works director, get it wrong all the way

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tonight and Jacob Allred, your Assistant Director of Public Works.

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Thank you, George Ann.

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I had two jobs this morning or this evening already.

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I like the parks and director job, though, so maybe we'll switch.

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Tonight's presentation will be conducted by my right hand in maintenance.

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Jacob Allred, Assistant Director of Maintenance.

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Good evening, Mr. Mayor, Vice Mayor and members of the council.

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As Director McLean explained tonight, we are holding the public hearing for

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for the annual landscape and lighting assessment district levy.

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So the city levy is in collect special assessments on an annual basis for neighborhood parks,

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street landscape areas, drainage and detention basins, open space, and street lighting.

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And these special assessments are necessary in order to maintain, operate, and service these particular improvements.

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So special assessments are established under the Landscape and

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The first step was completed on February 25th where council approved a resolution directing the preparation of the annual engineers report.

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Step 2 was completed on May 27th when the council granted preliminary approval of the engineers report and set the public hearing for the June 10th council meeting.

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That item was subsequently duly continued to tonight's meeting and here we are.

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So this year's Engineer's Report details 139 landscape and lighting districts.

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The Landscape and Lighting Act of 1972 sets a maximum allowable assessment annually of 3% increase.

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And with that said, the summary of the Engineer's Report is as follows.

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98 district levies will be increased, nine district levies will remain unchanged.

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16 district levies will be decreased, and another 16 district levies will not be assessed because the improvements in those districts have not been completed or are not anticipated to be completed in this fiscal year.

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So this item is exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act or SEQUA.

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In fiscal year 2526, the assessment total is approximately $5.17 million.

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dollars. The general fund subsidy total is approximately $2.1 million and that's made

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up to two parts. The first part is a 10% neighborhood part district general city-wide

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use contribution which is approximately $488,000. And the second part is the district funding

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gap or the shortfall of approximately $1.6 million which continues to be covered by the general

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fund. The strategic goals associated with this are initiative 2b to manage impacts from growth

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and initiative for A to ensure fiscal sustainability.

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And staff's recommendation is by a simple motion to adopt the subject amended resolution.

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That completes my presentation and Director Brian McLean and I are here to answer any of your questions.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Council Member Stockton.

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Yes, thank you for the presentation.

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How many square miles of the city are not covered by a lighting and landscaping district?

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I

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couldn't tell you on the mileage, but I could in terms of overall area, about 43% are covered under an LLMD, so the balance of the 57% not being an LLMD.

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Okay, and that's what the $2 million is for us to subsidize.

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The 60% that don't have a lighting and landscaping district.

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to provide the subsidy for the shortfall of the various districts within 43% and there's not all of them not all the districts in particular are in shortfall there's a handful.

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Typically the older districts which were formed at the very beginning in the 70s and early 80s those are the ones that are typically the ones that have the shortfall.

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Okay, and there's still being, those areas are still being maintained, though, frequently in the gap.

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Absolutely.

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Thank you.

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My only question really is, is long-term, the deficit is 2.1 million, there's going to have to be another solution.

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So I'm sure we'll come back in a later time with, you know, how we address that.

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In the meantime, this meets the objective that will receive the report so that we can move forward.

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We exactly remember that absolutely concur with you and staff has been continuing to keep in touch with our consultant on this.

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As you know, back in 2023, we did start a citywide effort that did provide some information related to where potential prop 218 would go on a citywide LMD.

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that was not well received by the public so it is something that the

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consultant has told us that we should continue to monitor the macro economic

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conditions

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various options along the way. And for example Alamo the Alamo Park

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that one is one that's subsidized it is in this one that's heavily used by a lot of

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people around the city. So the local taxpayers that are part of that are meeting

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the need, but the majority of the city gets the benefit.

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I think maybe this is the conversation we're going to have to have in the future.

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I know that's rhetorical, I answer, but Councilmember Stockton?

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Yes.

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I was just wondering, how do you prioritize which areas are going to get services at based

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upon who's contributing, or is it based upon need, or how are you figuring that out?

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So we're not prioritizing in that manner.

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We are putting all the effort in across all of the various districts, regardless.

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So there is no set amount, what happens is the particular budget for a shortfall district

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goes in the rent and it becomes an issue on the budget line in which the assistance

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director here, Jacob Aldrin has just gone through, become the shortfall item and so that's

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part of that two million dollars, 2.1 million dollars in the shortfall.

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No park is left out and said background media is left out, make sure that the park staff are putting everything into it and providing that highest level of service across all the districts.

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And if just due to the deficit spending, if this was an area that we were unable to supplement in the future, would that come back to council to make determinations on how that money is spent and what it goes toward?

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or would staff make that decision?

436
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,200
That would be a city council decision, absolutely.

437
00:40:23,940 --> 00:40:24,240
Thank you.

438
00:40:25,420 --> 00:40:26,440
Council Member Fremont.

439
00:40:27,100 --> 00:40:27,260
Yes.

440
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:27,660
Thank you.

441
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:35,620
So in my notes, I was reading and it says, it's important to note that many of the city's

442
00:40:35,620 --> 00:40:39,480
districts continue to face funding challenges, and then I'm just going to cut it.

443
00:40:39,580 --> 00:40:46,320
It says, over time, they've become fiscally imbalanced, and so I just wonder if you

444
00:40:46,320 --> 00:41:03,120
If you could just take a guess at it, is that as a result of City Council's not acting on this in the past being kicked down the road or is it just, you know, I mean, can we continue to take out of our general fund correct to subsidize this to this year $2 million.

445
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:17,440
So, is it a lack of councils taking, you know, responsibility and getting it caught up and figured out where it needs to actually be because the maximum allowable increases 3% of your correct.

446
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:25,960
It's a great question and a primary question that we answered in that 2023 analysis.

447
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:32,800
It really goes back, the cliff notes on this is in 2015, the California Supreme Court

448
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,760
came down with a San Juan Capastron ruling related to water rates.

449
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:47,420
There couldn't be a separation of one sector of payers paying X and another sector of

450
00:41:47,420 --> 00:41:50,740
rate payers paying why for the same service.

451
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:52,420
Everybody had to pay the same.

452
00:41:52,660 --> 00:41:56,240
And so what happened when that ruling came down

453
00:41:56,240 --> 00:41:59,060
is the water reason, which the city was picked

454
00:41:59,060 --> 00:42:01,660
the city itself, so the parks,

455
00:42:01,940 --> 00:42:04,400
through the operating budgets of various parks,

456
00:42:05,460 --> 00:42:09,680
the city's rate went up better rate.

457
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:11,840
And so water comes around.

458
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:12,860
So as the water

459
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,860
is, that have a smaller

460
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:51,400
councilmember Wiley.

461
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,940
Thanks for the information and looking at those charts of all the different things.

462
00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:00,720
I mean there's such a wide disparity of the things that people pay and I know it's all based

463
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:05,340
on a certain formula, but it's just really odd and I know the ones that are just going

464
00:44:05,340 --> 00:44:07,800
on now are so much more than in the old one.

465
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:13,800
But at the last time we had a study such about CFDs, they talked about that CFDs could be used

466
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:18,920
for LL, it be MDs, do you see that happening possibly in the future or not really?

467
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:25,140
So I actually was surprised to hear about that too, so that is something an option that

468
00:44:25,140 --> 00:44:25,920
we're investigating.

469
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:26,780
Okay.

470
00:44:27,220 --> 00:44:31,360
And then the second thing just came up because the earlier comments.

471
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:39,640
So in the landscaping districts, trees are an issue, especially when they're so big and

472
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,020
then they upheave the sidewalks as well.

473
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,760
And so in my district down around South Town today when I was walking, I mean there's redwood

474
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,180
trees in the landscaping.

475
00:44:48,180 --> 00:44:54,320
So I was still putting great big trees in or are we not putting redwood trees in we're not putting redwood trees

476
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,590
Thank you. Thank you. All right. That's it

477
00:44:58,960 --> 00:44:59,960
Kalesman, we're stalking

478
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:28,240
Is it safe to say that the majority of the areas that do not have lighting and landscaping also don't have CFDs? I couldn't answer that. I have to research that a little bit for Councilmember. Okay. Is it fair to say that the majority of the new homes being built have both CFDs and lighting and landscaping fees that they pay in perpetuity? On the face of it, yes. Thank you. That's it.

479
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,420
As a public hearing, I'm going to go ahead and open up the public for any comments.

480
00:45:44,730 --> 00:45:46,110
Good evening, again, Mr. Mayor.

481
00:45:46,770 --> 00:45:53,910
I do recall the presentation in 2023, and I expressed my reasons for objecting to a

482
00:45:53,910 --> 00:46:02,770
citywide tax that would say take a mellarus or a community service district fee, and then

483
00:46:02,770 --> 00:46:08,290
just kind of equal it out all over town to Councilman Wiley pointed out.

484
00:46:08,290 --> 00:46:16,890
So my mellarus would go away and then we'd spread it out to people that live on the tree streets or up north or north or

485
00:46:16,890 --> 00:46:24,330
where many of us moved because we we wanted an older neighborhood. We didn't want these extra fees being added to it.

486
00:46:31,050 --> 00:46:35,170
The fill off my train happens the

487
00:46:38,430 --> 00:46:43,730
opposition to this we have a general fund and I guess we

488
00:46:43,730 --> 00:46:51,210
What I thought a general fund was is apparently not what it is today, but definition has changed

489
00:46:53,110 --> 00:47:00,230
from denotative to a new connotative definition to mean, well, that's money that we don't use for anything in the city.

490
00:47:00,450 --> 00:47:06,390
We charge fees for everything in the city, and therefore that general fund is there generally for something else.

491
00:47:06,730 --> 00:47:11,190
Maybe it's the walking around money that counts men have for their districts, I don't know.

492
00:47:11,770 --> 00:47:18,850
But this shortfall, my impression, when I look at my property tax, is for city services.

493
00:47:20,430 --> 00:47:35,290
That's what it appeared, but if it isn't, then those citizens of town really need to know that the general fund is not for maintaining their city and their neighborhoods, that it's for some other thing that hasn't been defined.

494
00:47:35,970 --> 00:47:39,810
So when I hear that, well, we have to make up for a shortfall in lighting and

495
00:47:39,810 --> 00:47:40,310
landscape,

496
00:47:42,700 --> 00:47:47,440
I'm a little bit confused because we have the community service districts.

497
00:47:47,660 --> 00:47:49,420
We have the Melaroo's neighborhoods.

498
00:47:49,780 --> 00:47:54,260
Those people bought their property, their house, with the understanding.

499
00:47:54,500 --> 00:47:58,640
They'd be paying for lighting and landscape, that's what the whole thing is for.

500
00:47:59,240 --> 00:48:06,780
And let me caution you, this is going to be read, also addressed in a very bad bill called SB5.

501
00:48:07,020 --> 00:48:11,180
I've read through that, so that man I had to go back and read the Melaroo's,

502
00:48:11,180 --> 00:48:18,720
the Williams and ACT, et cetera, I realize this state has gotten itself into a lot of difficulties

503
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:25,040
with some frivolous spending, some ideological spendings, instead of focusing on the responsibilities

504
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:31,400
what local government has. And let me also warn you about SB 5, Mr. Mayor, if you want to maintain

505
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:37,780
local control, you better hope it doesn't pass, because it's going to be another SB 330 where they say

506
00:48:37,780 --> 00:48:40,020
to the city, you have anything to say about this.

507
00:48:40,900 --> 00:48:42,440
So I'd like you to reconsider that.

508
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,380
Very carefully, thank you.

509
00:48:44,940 --> 00:48:45,620
Thank you.

510
00:48:49,350 --> 00:48:51,650
I'm gonna go ahead and close the public comment

511
00:48:51,650 --> 00:48:52,230
on the public hearing.

512
00:48:52,910 --> 00:48:55,370
And I'm not sure if you can respond to that,

513
00:48:55,470 --> 00:48:57,650
because part of it may not be understood

514
00:48:57,650 --> 00:49:00,990
what is an LLMD and how's it formed around the neighborhood?

515
00:49:01,550 --> 00:49:05,230
This design to maintain the service beautification

516
00:49:05,230 --> 00:49:05,770
of a neighborhood.

517
00:49:08,090 --> 00:49:09,890
That's a great summary, Mayor.

518
00:49:10,910 --> 00:49:16,210
Through the development process, when a new neighbourhood comes in, part of that requirement

519
00:49:16,210 --> 00:49:23,750
that the city has is to either annex into an existing LLMD, allowing a landscape maintenance

520
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:26,350
district, or create a new LLMD.

521
00:49:26,850 --> 00:49:31,590
And we've had some of those come to council over the past few years as these new developments

522
00:49:31,590 --> 00:49:32,110
come in.

523
00:49:32,110 --> 00:49:40,790
The district is formed around those housing units, that particular neighborhood on a new

524
00:49:40,790 --> 00:49:45,930
district, and it particularly would have, for example, a neighborhood park.

525
00:49:46,610 --> 00:49:52,090
And so the neighborhood park and the lighting, so the landscape medians, all of those get

526
00:49:52,090 --> 00:49:55,530
wrapped into that lighting and landscape assessment district.

527
00:49:55,530 --> 00:50:03,890
An engineer's report created by a certified engineer in that field goes through a significantly

528
00:50:03,890 --> 00:50:11,370
complex calculation to understand what the costs are to maintain those particular facilities.

529
00:50:11,370 --> 00:50:17,810
We call them facilities of parks, lighting, landscape, mediums, and a fee is derived.

530
00:50:18,290 --> 00:50:22,890
Again, all consistent with that 1972 lighting and landscape assessment district.

531
00:50:22,890 --> 00:50:27,530
And that's part of the attachment that is in your packet on this particular item.

532
00:50:27,730 --> 00:50:28,810
It's the engineers report.

533
00:50:29,790 --> 00:50:31,610
So now you have a district formed.

534
00:50:31,970 --> 00:50:38,130
You have people who come in and buy the homes on their tax bill from the county.

535
00:50:38,270 --> 00:50:40,290
They pay a levy now.

536
00:50:40,670 --> 00:50:43,630
That's part of that representative of that district.

537
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:51,290
Those funds are collectively pulled together into that particular XYZ district.

538
00:50:51,290 --> 00:51:12,450
those funds then are utilized by public works maintenance to perform the maintenance of the park, the lighting, the landscape, the contracting out for our landscaped contractor to perform weed abatement, or excuse me, weeding, litterbook, a kind of thing to maintain the particular district.

539
00:51:13,210 --> 00:51:20,650
And then that's the every year we come through, we go through the process, the engineer goes through and updates the information based on

540
00:51:20,650 --> 00:51:30,990
budget changes, cost of inflation, et cetera, and that's why every year you get to consider this particular item as it comes before you for each district.

541
00:51:31,350 --> 00:51:35,890
So each of the districts are paying into to maintain their particular areas.

542
00:51:36,210 --> 00:51:42,130
Again, the, just for clarity, the shortfall areas are the older area town.

543
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:52,450
If my opinion is that there is the foresight to look out many, many years, decades into the

544
00:51:52,450 --> 00:52:01,770
future to see that you have a hockey stick kind of pattern in terms of CPI versus the

545
00:52:01,770 --> 00:52:09,750
cost of doing things, they just diverged, you're just not collecting enough at that 3% at

546
00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:18,810
that top, that 3%, every year, to be able to stay ahead of the cost of labor, of materials, of water, et cetera.

547
00:52:19,050 --> 00:52:21,590
And so they start diverging, you get this shortfall.

548
00:52:22,450 --> 00:52:24,470
The newer districts, they're well set.

549
00:52:24,990 --> 00:52:29,030
The engineers have for many, many years now, they have that foresight.

550
00:52:29,350 --> 00:52:32,430
So, and we're, again, we're not the only ones who have this problem.

551
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:38,530
City of Fairfield has also gone through tumultuous times related to.

552
00:52:38,530 --> 00:52:46,170
their LOMDs, it's not a vacable thing in terms of the shortfall districts and the concerns

553
00:52:46,170 --> 00:52:46,790
around them.

554
00:52:47,070 --> 00:52:51,970
If I heard you write, the increased cost of water gets rolled into that and those

555
00:52:51,970 --> 00:52:54,230
were factored in differently all those years ago.

556
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:54,950
Yes.

557
00:52:55,630 --> 00:52:55,850
Right.

558
00:52:56,430 --> 00:53:00,370
Because we used to not have to pay the high price because it was our water and now we do.

559
00:53:00,730 --> 00:53:01,010
Correct.

560
00:53:01,670 --> 00:53:03,310
The state kind of did that to us as well.

561
00:53:03,870 --> 00:53:04,050
Yes.

562
00:53:05,050 --> 00:53:05,910
Councilmember Stockton.

563
00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:07,050
Yes, thank you.

564
00:53:07,050 --> 00:53:12,590
For that last explanation, because more than one thing can be true at once, right?

565
00:53:13,110 --> 00:53:27,290
So when people do go to buy a new house in a new area, and the affordability is affected by fees like this, but they're making that decision, totally understand just like if there are folks that want to avoid paying these costs, they look for homes in other areas.

566
00:53:27,290 --> 00:53:37,390
So thank you for going into that adept. Thank you for the analysis. I'd like to make a motion that we adopt the subject amended resolution request a roll call vote.

567
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:38,150
Second.

568
00:53:39,390 --> 00:53:43,610
All right, so motion and I think Richard you second it. I know you did as well. So roll call.

569
00:53:48,060 --> 00:53:49,520
Councilmember Stockton. Yes.

570
00:53:51,100 --> 00:53:52,060
Councilmember Richie.

571
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:52,720
Yes.

572
00:53:53,980 --> 00:53:54,780
Councilmember Silva.

573
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:55,300
Yes.

574
00:53:56,380 --> 00:53:57,300
Councilmember Fremont.

575
00:53:57,300 --> 00:54:04,940
on some member Wiley? Yes, Mr. Chapman? Yes, Mayor Carly. Yes, and hopefully in the future

576
00:54:04,940 --> 00:54:10,140
we'll have a way to solve this because that is against the general fund and it was never intended

577
00:54:10,140 --> 00:54:15,260
but we've been subsidizing it for years and it's just an increase to the point where it's no

578
00:54:15,260 --> 00:54:20,140
longer a small amount. That's a large amount so thank you. We're going to go ahead and move on

579
00:54:20,140 --> 00:54:25,680
to the second public hearing item B. Thank you, Mayor. Members of the council. This next item

580
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:30,440
is a continuation of the public hearing from May 13th to consider adoption of bi-monthly

581
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:34,920
water and sewer rate adjustments proposed in accordance with California State Proposition

582
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:40,320
to 18 requirements. We have Justin Cole, your Director of Utilities, Larissa Morris,

583
00:54:40,580 --> 00:54:44,220
and management analysts, and our consultant from Will Dan here to present the item.

584
00:54:50,310 --> 00:54:57,090
Good evening again. Good evening Mayor, Vice Mayor, Council Members. We have a updated presentation

585
00:54:57,090 --> 00:55:02,910
and some options associated with that based on some of the feedback and questions that we got at the last meeting.

586
00:55:03,730 --> 00:55:08,110
So I'll have our project manager for utilities to lure some more us kick this off for us.

587
00:55:12,530 --> 00:55:15,050
Good evening mayor, vice mayor, council members.

588
00:55:15,730 --> 00:55:24,570
Our goal tonight is to provide additional information and clarification on the proposed water and sewer study, our rate adjustments.

589
00:55:25,730 --> 00:55:32,030
We'll begin by reviewing some history and background of the water and sewer funds.

590
00:55:33,830 --> 00:55:38,310
Current fiscal year expenses for the water fund were projected at $25.8 million.

591
00:55:39,130 --> 00:55:45,390
On-going operation and maintenance expenses make up 32% of this total, while capital improvement

592
00:55:45,390 --> 00:55:48,570
project transfers make up just 2%.

593
00:55:48,570 --> 00:55:54,910
Project funding was reduced by over 70% fiscal year to manage costs and balance the budget.

594
00:55:54,910 --> 00:56:03,370
As fiscal year 25 revenues were projected at 24.5 million, resulting in an anticipated deficit of 1.3 million.

595
00:56:04,130 --> 00:56:14,050
The Water Fund has previously experienced similar funding challenges forcing the department to manage expenses by scaling back or delaying necessary infrastructure projects.

596
00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:24,310
Dilling funding of necessary projects has resulted in significant system replacement needs due to aging pipeline and other infrastructure.

597
00:56:24,310 --> 00:56:29,230
Each year, that planned replacements are delayed, reduces the reliability of the system,

598
00:56:29,530 --> 00:56:31,790
resulting in increased breaks and outages.

599
00:56:32,550 --> 00:56:38,190
This map illustrates pipeline replacement need showing water lines in the city by installation date.

600
00:56:38,770 --> 00:56:43,210
Focusing on the oldest sections of the system, which require replacement most urgently,

601
00:56:43,850 --> 00:56:50,070
and are most likely to require emergency repair, the red lines represent water lines installed prior to 1955,

602
00:56:50,070 --> 00:56:55,810
and the orange represents water lines installed between 1955 and 1975.

603
00:56:56,950 --> 00:57:02,370
These two segments total over 370, 2,000 feet of pipe.

604
00:57:03,210 --> 00:57:07,450
Most of these older lines have a life expectancy of 70 to 105 years.

605
00:57:08,210 --> 00:57:12,790
And if we were to replace all of these lines today with eight inch lines that are currently

606
00:57:12,790 --> 00:57:21,470
required by city standards. It would cost approximately $170 million. This highlights the need

607
00:57:21,470 --> 00:57:26,630
for adequate planning and funding to address these replacements which are crucial for system

608
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:33,490
reliability. An additional benefit to replacing aiding pipeline is the higher capacity required

609
00:57:33,490 --> 00:57:39,150
to meet current city standards, increases flow for fire protection, which results in increased

610
00:57:39,150 --> 00:57:40,230
safety for the community.

611
00:57:44,070 --> 00:57:47,850
This slide shows historical and projected water capital improvement

612
00:57:47,850 --> 00:57:54,670
or CIP transfers with projected CIP needs. The black columns represent historical water

613
00:57:54,670 --> 00:58:01,310
CIP transfers. The blue column represents CIP transfers under the proposed scenario 1 and

614
00:58:01,310 --> 00:58:10,430
the green represents CIP transfers under the proposed scenario 2. The red trend line shows

615
00:58:10,430 --> 00:58:15,390
Those 1% of replacement costs for underground assets on a 100 year replacement schedule,

616
00:58:15,910 --> 00:58:18,570
assuming a 3% future inflation rate.

617
00:58:19,850 --> 00:58:24,070
The upper-dash yellow trend line shows 2% of replacement costs for

618
00:58:24,070 --> 00:58:30,110
vertical assets on a 50 year replacement schedule in addition to the replacement costs for the underground assets.

619
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:36,560
As you can see on the left side of the graph, system maintenance had been deferred for

620
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:42,720
over 10 years to balance the budget, and the 2% allocated for the current fiscal year transfers

621
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:49,220
falls significantly short of the need. At a minimum, it's recommended to budget 1% of replacement

622
00:58:49,220 --> 00:58:54,960
costs per year. These targets were developed based on current dollars and retroactively calculated

623
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,440
for prior years based on historical inflation.

624
00:59:01,290 --> 00:59:04,530
As shown, inflation during and after the pandemic

625
00:59:04,530 --> 00:59:10,730
accelerated costs, and most utilities deferred rate increases during these years because of the difficult time.

626
00:59:12,970 --> 00:59:19,050
The proposed rate options bring the utility to a more sustainable path, but it doesn't make up for previous

627
00:59:19,050 --> 00:59:19,690
deferments.

628
00:59:22,050 --> 00:59:27,050
This chart takes a closer look at the proposed water CIP transfers during the rate study period.

629
00:59:28,670 --> 00:59:33,410
Annual rehab or replacement projects are necessary for proper system maintenance and reliability.

630
00:59:33,410 --> 00:59:37,830
This trend line is a good minimum budget target for the department.

631
00:59:38,670 --> 00:59:48,950
As it represents 1% of replacement costs for existing underground assets based on the 100 year replacement schedule with a 3% future inflation rate.

632
00:59:49,690 --> 00:59:58,650
As mentioned, the upper line represents projections if the department were to target budgeting replacements of vertical assets on a 50 year replacement cycle.

633
00:59:58,650 --> 00:59:59,930
in addition to

634
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:15,860
Let's move to the underground assets. Because CIP transfers are not projected to reach this level, we could expect that this gap creates the need to seek financing for future pump station, treatment plant and tank replacement expenses.

635
01:00:18,820 --> 01:00:19,300
My apologies.

636
01:00:22,710 --> 01:00:26,010
Targeting CIP transfers. Oh my goodness.

637
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:29,860
Sorry.

638
01:00:31,940 --> 01:00:36,520
Targeting CIP transfers between these two projected trend lines allows the department

639
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:45,280
to be able to replace underground assets on a regular basis, and be able to obtain financing in the future for facility rehab and replacements.

640
01:00:47,790 --> 01:00:51,510
Well, Chrome 6 funding is front loaded scenario one.

641
01:00:51,790 --> 01:00:56,170
Under scenario two, the city could still meet compliance, although it is lesser.

642
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:07,520
So Chrome 6, although this is not the only factor, Chrome 6 compliance contributes to the need for a significant initial increase.

643
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:13,340
and there are potentially serious consequences that come with not having an approved compliance plan.

644
01:01:13,580 --> 01:01:20,440
Such as reduction in available water supply, state intervention, fines, risk of legal action,

645
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:26,000
that has potential to be much more costly than the state action, and

646
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,340
challenges obtaining financing and grant funding.

647
01:01:29,220 --> 01:01:35,440
Staff are actively working on exploring all available solutions, including treatment options at well sites,

648
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:41,920
One pilot study for ion exchange has already been completed and we're preparing for an additional pilot for reduction,

649
01:01:42,220 --> 01:01:44,760
coagulation, filtration, and filtration treatment.

650
01:01:45,260 --> 01:01:53,240
Well, exploration of which the department is actively working with a consultant on modeling where we can expect to find

651
01:01:53,240 --> 01:02:01,300
Chrome 6 within the geologic formations, planning for the North Bay Regional Treatment Plant Surface Water Expansion,

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01:02:01,300 --> 01:02:06,540
new well construction that avoids Chrome 6, which is what we're planning to do with

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01:02:06,540 --> 01:02:12,980
four new well sites, blending of different water sources, and non-potable or industrial

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01:02:12,980 --> 01:02:16,600
water expansion to lower system, main system demand.

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01:02:19,490 --> 01:02:24,710
This chart shows historical available supply and projected firm capacity.

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01:02:25,590 --> 01:02:30,090
The dark blue represents service water and the light blue represents well capacity.

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01:02:30,990 --> 01:02:36,510
The yellow trend line here shows historical max state demands from the city and what is

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01:02:36,510 --> 01:02:39,810
being projected by west shows engineers based on the general plan.

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01:02:40,750 --> 01:02:46,290
Like the number of service connections demand is growing at approximately 2% per year.

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01:02:50,450 --> 01:02:55,070
Looking back in history, available supply has decreased due to past deferred maintenance.

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01:02:57,150 --> 01:02:59,970
From capacity needs to exceed projected demands.

662
01:02:59,970 --> 01:03:06,710
The risk of demand exceeding firm capacity is that we'd have a challenge water supply if maintenance issues do occur.

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01:03:08,250 --> 01:03:15,110
The proposed rate scenarios front load chrome six related projects and supply related projects are already underway.

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01:03:15,730 --> 01:03:20,430
Replacement of supply and additional supply being added is shown on the graph in future years.

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01:03:21,090 --> 01:03:24,770
Both ONM and development funds are used for

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01:03:24,770 --> 01:03:31,050
replacement of and additional supply which are needed to maintain a reliable water supply.

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01:03:31,430 --> 01:03:38,330
Without adequate rate increases, the department will be unable to fund these projects and future supply will become uncertain.

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01:03:42,140 --> 01:03:46,920
Moving into the sewer fund, current fiscal year expenses were projected at 39 million.

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01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:52,920
Similar to the water fund, ongoing operation and maintenance expenses make up 31% of the total.

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01:03:52,920 --> 01:04:00,280
However, capital improvement transfers combined with loan repayment for the previously completed tertiary project

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01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:05,400
result in a more significant 20% of the expenses for this fund.

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01:04:05,860 --> 01:04:09,680
Although a larger amount of funding is available for sewer projects,

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01:04:10,060 --> 01:04:15,500
transfers remain relatively flat to manage expenses and maintain a positive fund balance.

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01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:24,760
Sewer is in a better position as there have been more significant previous rate increases to fund major projects,

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01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:30,900
such as the easterly plant expansion and the tertiary project as required for regulatory compliance.

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01:04:31,580 --> 01:04:38,800
The red trend line again is a target for 1% replacement costs of underground assets on 100 year replacement schedule,

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01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:41,560
assuming a 3% future inflation rate.

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01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:46,460
And the yellow trend line is a target for 2% replacement costs for lift stations and

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01:04:46,460 --> 01:04:53,040
the wastewater treatment plant based on a 50 year replacement schedule in addition to the underground assets.

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01:04:54,290 --> 01:05:00,830
The projected CIP expenditures for sewer meets annual rehab and renewal for the sewer collection system.

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01:05:01,410 --> 01:05:07,370
And the early increases in project funding are due to lift station rehabilitation.

682
01:05:08,290 --> 01:05:13,590
Because projections don't exceed the upper target, future years will require financing for

683
01:05:13,590 --> 01:05:16,530
the wastewater treatment plant and lift station replacements.

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01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:24,900
That brings us to current actions taken on the rate study.

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01:05:24,900 --> 01:05:32,140
So from mid-2022 through the end of 2024, the department has worked with

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01:05:32,140 --> 01:05:36,360
Wilden on the current rate study in the proposed scenarios. This year two

687
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:40,480
scenarios were presented at the council meeting on February 25th and

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01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:45,600
staff received direction to proceed with the recommended scenario. The final

689
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:50,140
rate study report was repaired based on this direction and we were returned on

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01:05:50,140 --> 01:05:54,160
in March 11th to present the recommended scenario in detail.

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01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:59,320
At this meeting, the report was accepted and the public hearing date was set for May 13th.

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01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:03,420
Staff received approval to proceed with the noticing required for Prop 218.

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01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:09,320
Notices were mailed on March 24th and community meetings were held in late April and early May.

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01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:15,400
On March, on May 13th, the public hearing was open, public comment was received,

695
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,340
protest sports were received and counted by the city clerk.

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01:06:18,340 --> 01:06:22,580
and it was determined that a majority of the protest vote did not exist.

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01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:28,360
Counselor requested additional information and continued the public hearing to June 10th.

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01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:33,740
And on June 10th, public hearing was continued to this meeting, which brings us here today.

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01:06:34,380 --> 01:06:40,300
I will turn it over to Chris Fisher from Muldan to go into a little bit more detail on the analysis.

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01:06:46,220 --> 01:06:46,560
Thank you, Laura.

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01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:50,840
So Chris Fisher with Muldan, financial services here again this evening.

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01:06:50,840 --> 01:07:20,300
And I'm going to go through and again just kind of describe summarize the process we've been through and some of the high points and some of the the key outcomes of the analysis. So we, you know, the primary goal was to take a look at a lot of data gathered a lot of data from the city related to budget, past historical data expenses, fun balances and projections of system, system needs and develop a five year plan.

703
01:07:20,300 --> 01:07:24,220
to kind of ensure ongoing stability for both of the utilities.

704
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:30,860
I wanted to make sure within that, we're providing funding for operations and maintenance and various capital projects.

705
01:07:30,860 --> 01:07:34,240
There's a kind of went through some of that just a little bit earlier.

706
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:40,280
We want to make sure that we're able to provide funding to repay outstanding loans at debt free to the two utilities.

707
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:45,640
The water debt will retire pretty quickly, I think next year's the final payment on the semen's loan.

708
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:50,920
And then the sewer utility has three SRF loans related to the tertiary project, those will.

709
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:57,180
That's pretty significant as Lewis mentioned, that's about $7 million a year in repayment for that debt.

710
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:01,200
We want to make sure that we're maintaining reserve funding as best we can.

711
01:08:01,260 --> 01:08:06,980
And we'll see in the analysis that we did make some trade-offs there to try and limit rate increases as best we could.

712
01:08:07,580 --> 01:08:14,700
And then ultimately, recommend any rates that are recommended would have to be compliant with Prop 218.

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01:08:14,700 --> 01:08:17,240
both in terms of being based on the cost of service,

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01:08:17,480 --> 01:08:18,780
as required under Proposition 18,

715
01:08:19,420 --> 01:08:21,460
and that we adhere to this process

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01:08:21,460 --> 01:08:24,320
that we're in now of conducting a public hearing

717
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:26,360
and mailing notices that hearing

718
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:27,880
and allowing for a protest process.

719
01:08:32,420 --> 01:08:34,860
So we developed a couple of scenarios.

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01:08:35,820 --> 01:08:37,240
You know, as there was a kind of summarized,

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01:08:37,340 --> 01:08:39,040
and the previous slide summarizer,

722
01:08:39,300 --> 01:08:41,580
all of these factors, all of these costs that we wanted to cover,

723
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:43,160
and really the overriding factor

724
01:08:43,620 --> 01:08:47,300
is that rates had not been increased in almost five years

725
01:08:47,300 --> 01:08:51,020
for water, and even longer, almost 11 years, I think it was for sewer.

726
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:56,360
So we wanted to make sure that the scenarios could address all of these capital needs

727
01:08:56,360 --> 01:09:01,460
that, as was mentioned, have kind of been backlogging a little bit, as well as to address the

728
01:09:01,460 --> 01:09:02,180
Chrome 6 project.

729
01:09:02,300 --> 01:09:04,080
So we developed two scenarios for evaluation.

730
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:11,160
The first recommended scenario meets all of those needs, the deferred capital projects that

731
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:16,240
have been on the books, as well as current project to capital needs, as well as the Chromium

732
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:19,220
six projects in the earlier part of the projection period.

733
01:09:19,820 --> 01:09:26,700
The second scenario defers some of the necessary basic water capital projects and

734
01:09:26,700 --> 01:09:32,280
defers the chromium six projects a bit, but still meets those and then provides for

735
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:37,120
capital or repayment of debt and operating and maintenance costs.

736
01:09:37,580 --> 01:09:41,580
The sewer fund was not changed in either of these two scenarios at state put.

737
01:09:41,580 --> 01:09:47,740
So you see under scenario one there, the capital, total capital project list, totaled about $96 million.

738
01:09:48,780 --> 01:09:54,660
Suror was about $58 million and you see in scenario two, the total capital project list, totaled about $81 million for water.

739
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:59,940
So there's about a $14 million reduction in the capital plan and the sewer remained the same.

740
01:10:04,610 --> 01:10:12,350
So to kind of provide a little bit of historical context here is where the city of Vacaville's rates reside currently.

741
01:10:12,350 --> 01:10:22,310
You see all the way over there on the left, the green bar representing back of bill, is the second lowest of all of the rates that we looked at for all of those cities that you see there.

742
01:10:22,790 --> 01:10:25,790
Davis all the way up to Petalova, Sonoma, Santa Rosa.

743
01:10:26,570 --> 01:10:31,010
And again, that's partially a factor of rates not having been increased in a while.

744
01:10:31,850 --> 01:10:35,430
And this does represent a bill for an average residential customer.

745
01:10:35,430 --> 01:10:40,370
of this is a bi-monthly amount, 2,400 cubic feet of water over a bi-monthly billing period.

746
01:10:40,870 --> 01:10:46,750
And that $2,400 was arrived up by looking at actual city data and doing the analysis

747
01:10:46,750 --> 01:10:51,170
to figure out what an average residential customer uses in terms of their metered water

748
01:10:51,170 --> 01:10:51,390
use.

749
01:10:52,870 --> 01:10:59,110
The next couple slides provide a little bit of history on financial performance.

750
01:10:59,370 --> 01:11:00,710
Larissa touched on this a bit as well.

751
01:11:00,710 --> 01:11:06,910
the past couple of years, both utilities have had to manage their costs on reduced revenue,

752
01:11:06,910 --> 01:11:12,730
and you see, so this is water, the blue bars represent the revenues, and the red bars represent

753
01:11:12,730 --> 01:11:18,890
the expenses. So you see in 21-22 fiscal years, things looked okay, the revenues were more than

754
01:11:18,890 --> 01:11:24,110
expenses, and so the black line representing the reserves as a percentage of expenses grew.

755
01:11:24,810 --> 01:11:29,730
And then starting in year three, the trend flipped, and expenses now are outpacing

756
01:11:30,710 --> 01:11:41,430
The revenues and that continues, it's estimated to continue in fiscal year 24 and 25 and now you see that reserves as a percentage of expenses now declining to just 9% in the fifth year.

757
01:11:41,630 --> 01:11:46,510
So we'll go to take a look at sewer and you'll see pretty much the same trend.

758
01:11:46,710 --> 01:11:53,170
First two years revenues were positive in terms of other terms of expenses and the reserves were growing.

759
01:11:53,170 --> 01:12:00,950
and then in year three, the trend reversed, and now the expenses are outpacing revenues and the reserve balances declining.

760
01:12:01,170 --> 01:12:15,690
So very similar picture, which as Larissa mentioned requires some budgeting and some decisions are making on an annual basis to make sure that the revenues are used on a priority basis for the best uses.

761
01:12:18,440 --> 01:12:24,280
So, let's take a look at scenario one, again, as described on that brief film.

762
01:12:24,340 --> 01:12:29,820
The previous slide it prioritizes the Chromium-6 treatment projects as well as the other capital

763
01:12:29,820 --> 01:12:33,080
system rehabilitation and replacement projects.

764
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:39,160
This scenario will enhance the likelihood of compliance with the Chrome-6 mandates.

765
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:44,280
If, in fact, and there's been discussion in the past couple meetings, the city is looking

766
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:49,300
at legal options in terms of challenging this change in the allowable levels of Chrome

767
01:12:49,300 --> 01:12:50,940
6 and the requirement to do these projects.

768
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:54,680
If that were successful, the city could reduce future rate increases.

769
01:12:54,880 --> 01:13:00,000
So if they could be adopted tonight, and then in year two, year three, if it was found

770
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:04,620
that those projects weren't needed, then the city could choose not to implement those

771
01:13:04,620 --> 01:13:05,560
increases in those years.

772
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:08,080
So that is discretion that the city could retain.

773
01:13:08,740 --> 01:13:11,560
The revenues do meet SRF loan agreement requirements.

774
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:23,460
So, for the outstanding debt, for the tertiary debt, as well as the semen's loan, there's a requirement that the utility maintain a dollar and 20 cents of net results for every dollar of repayment of debt that needs to be made.

775
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:41,340
So, this does ensure that those covenants are indeed complied with and in fact, in the case of the water utility, it exceeds or the Sir utility by the third year, it will exceed 1.5 times, which will enhance credit worthiness for the city.

776
01:13:41,340 --> 01:13:45,840
in the event that you decide to go out and pursue other low interest funding

777
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,120
opportunities. So that was a goal as well.

778
01:13:51,350 --> 01:13:53,670
So here's just a lot of numbers up here.

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01:13:53,770 --> 01:13:56,810
There's kind of a few things just to really pay attention to. What this is,

780
01:13:56,950 --> 01:14:02,930
is a net result. Net results over the five-year period, the existing plus the

781
01:14:02,930 --> 01:14:06,830
five-year protection period for both the water and sewer utility. The water

782
01:14:06,830 --> 01:14:11,230
utility is above the kind of gray line in the middle there. And the thing

783
01:14:11,230 --> 01:14:16,410
to really show the operating results. Starting in year 3, 2028, start to trend upward and

784
01:14:16,410 --> 01:14:21,510
you see the days cash on hand and the cash balance trending upward by that point.

785
01:14:21,630 --> 01:14:25,830
In the first couple of years, you see it gets pretty low. And year 2, we're down to just

786
01:14:25,830 --> 01:14:31,330
over six days cash reserve on hand. So that's well below the targeted level of 180 days.

787
01:14:32,370 --> 01:14:38,750
And then year 3, or 2027, year 2, I should say. We start to pick back up, year 3 picks

788
01:14:38,750 --> 01:14:42,410
up again, and then by the fifth year, we're at just about 180 days.

789
01:14:42,610 --> 01:14:46,090
So right at that target, reserve level of 180 days.

790
01:14:46,950 --> 01:14:48,050
Sewer fund looks a lot better.

791
01:14:48,150 --> 01:14:48,990
Kind of a different picture.

792
01:14:49,030 --> 01:14:53,210
We're actually spending down cash on hand, again, to mitigate any rate increases.

793
01:14:53,210 --> 01:14:58,970
You see the cash on hand starts at about 400 days, and we let that drift down and spend

794
01:14:58,970 --> 01:14:59,950
that money on capital problems.

795
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:11,100
We're just above 180 days in the fifth year. So, again, we're just about at the target just a little above. So, that's what the net results would look like with the recommended scenario one.

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01:15:14,490 --> 01:15:32,510
And this is a snapshot of the capital plan. And again, there's water. And then in the middle, there's waste water. And then at the bottom is some of the two. And really the top line in each of those sections is key because those are projects that we're paying for directly from revenue.

797
01:15:32,510 --> 01:15:35,470
the news generated by rates or by cash that the utility has.

798
01:15:36,030 --> 01:15:38,370
Grant funding is different, doesn't affect the rates,

799
01:15:38,770 --> 01:15:42,950
and diff funding is from development impact fees

800
01:15:42,950 --> 01:15:45,910
and specified and has to be used in a restrictive manner,

801
01:15:46,110 --> 01:15:47,350
just for growth or rate of projects.

802
01:15:47,570 --> 01:15:49,890
So those are, they don't really affect rates either.

803
01:15:50,050 --> 01:15:53,950
So you see about $96 million in total capital

804
01:15:53,950 --> 01:15:56,710
for the water of that, just under 70 million of it

805
01:15:56,710 --> 01:15:59,170
is funded from cash from rates.

806
01:15:59,170 --> 01:16:00,790
from the wastewater utilities,

807
01:16:00,810 --> 01:16:03,570
you see a total of about 58 million in capital projects.

808
01:16:04,090 --> 01:16:08,770
Of that amount, 44 million is funded with cash from rates.

809
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:14,980
So based on the scenario one,

810
01:16:15,260 --> 01:16:18,840
this is what the five year path of rates looks like

811
01:16:19,580 --> 01:16:21,020
at three different levels of use.

812
01:16:21,220 --> 01:16:22,880
So we have the blue line in the middle

813
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:26,840
being that same typical average residential customer

814
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:31,220
using 2,400 cubic feet of water by monthly basis.

815
01:16:31,220 --> 01:16:37,120
and then we have a low use customer using 10 units of water, 10 cubic feet,

816
01:16:37,220 --> 01:16:41,800
100 cubic feet, and a high user using 40 units or 400 cubic feet of water.

817
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:48,460
So the medium user bill goes from about 10 to just over 275 in the first year.

818
01:16:49,060 --> 01:16:53,900
And as we've talked about earlier, that's that big jump is necessary to really try and

819
01:16:53,900 --> 01:16:56,720
start to make up that ground from years of no increases.

820
01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:00,140
And the need to really fund this backlog of capital projects.

821
01:17:00,140 --> 01:17:15,280
So that's about a $65 jump in the first year and then each year there after it jumps up $15 then 14 and then 12 each of the last four years and then you see for the low user, the gray line there using 10 units, the increases are less significant.

822
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:21,560
Again, so it goes up from 174 to 209, still the biggest jump in the first year and then

823
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:27,740
goes up, you know, $10, give or take a dollar each year for the rest of the period and

824
01:17:27,740 --> 01:17:34,120
then the high user, the 40 units of water per bi-monthly period, again, same pattern, the biggest

825
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:39,800
jump in the first year and those changes leveling off each of the four years after that.

826
01:17:43,130 --> 01:17:50,810
So we also took a look at what would that scenario one look like if you were to strip out the Chromium-6 related costs.

827
01:17:51,730 --> 01:17:56,730
And so the blue lines recommend the recommended scenario that the scenario one without any change.

828
01:17:56,730 --> 01:18:03,070
And those are the same numbers, the rates that we just looked at on the previous slide starting at 2-10 per bi-monthly period.

829
01:18:03,730 --> 01:18:08,730
And then 2-75 in the first year and then 2-90 all the way out to 3-28 in the fifth year.

830
01:18:08,730 --> 01:18:35,730
And so you see some reduction each year, so that the rate at the end of the fifth year is about $8 less and you see it's less, it is less in each of the years there and you see the amount on the bottom, the difference is about $22 in terms of the increase in the first year and then about $18 difference in the increase in the second year and then the amount of that difference gets smaller each of the years out to the fifth year.

831
01:18:35,730 --> 01:18:41,770
So, it does mitigate the increases, but again, that eliminates also the Chrome 6 projects,

832
01:18:43,350 --> 01:18:47,450
which is another facet to talk about.

833
01:18:48,690 --> 01:18:54,610
So the second scenario that we developed was a scenario 2, which differs some of the

834
01:18:54,610 --> 01:18:58,810
capital projects and moves the Chrome 6 projects out a bit.

835
01:18:59,510 --> 01:19:04,770
So it does smooth, as we'll show here on some of these future slides, it does smooth out

836
01:19:04,770 --> 01:19:13,390
The rate increases over the five year period and it does prioritize complete nose chrome six projects during the production period, but just moves us back a bit.

837
01:19:13,830 --> 01:19:30,030
The tradeoff is that the initial reduction in rates does increase risk in terms of cash on hand and the ability to address projects and have reserve cash in case of emergencies and could result in a need to come back sometime within the five year period and look at rates again.

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01:19:30,030 --> 01:19:37,550
Then it also takes out some of the rehabilitation and repair projects early on to reduce the

839
01:19:37,550 --> 01:19:38,110
initial costs.

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01:19:38,410 --> 01:19:41,870
And again, at any time, you're deferring capital projects and rehabilitation projects.

841
01:19:41,870 --> 01:19:47,430
There's some risk that you could have system degradation or potential failure, which would

842
01:19:47,990 --> 01:19:53,650
potentially reduce future reliability and the ability of the city to deliver the water service

843
01:19:54,290 --> 01:19:55,330
without interruption.

844
01:19:57,390 --> 01:20:08,990
So here's what the scenario to change in the capital plan, there's no change in waste water, again that's in the middle of the waste water capital plan that's to summary the same dollar amounts, same total dollar amounts.

845
01:20:09,670 --> 01:20:20,710
You'll see at the top water now the total capital plan is $81 million and that was $96 million before and the cash funded portion of that is about $60 million.

846
01:20:20,710 --> 01:20:24,890
And so, reduction of about $14 million in the capital improvement plan.

847
01:20:26,430 --> 01:20:31,830
So, the impact to the results, you'll notice that, again, the same slide we looked

848
01:20:31,830 --> 01:20:37,530
at before water at the top, and then below the gray solid line is sewer, which is unchanged.

849
01:20:37,830 --> 01:20:39,190
Again, there were no changes to sewer.

850
01:20:39,870 --> 01:20:45,590
So you see the net operating results, again, increasing gradually through the five-year period,

851
01:20:46,250 --> 01:20:50,050
and the cash balance increasing, but not at the same pace.

852
01:20:50,050 --> 01:20:53,890
So you recall, we ended the five year period at about 180 days.

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01:20:53,910 --> 01:20:56,010
It was 178 days worth of cash on hand.

854
01:20:57,010 --> 01:21:01,870
Under scenario two, we end that five year period with about 112 days of cash on hand.

855
01:21:02,070 --> 01:21:10,350
So we lost about 60 days of cash in reserve by reducing the rates and reducing and changing the

856
01:21:10,350 --> 01:21:11,670
financial plan here.

857
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:19,140
Here is another look at what the five year path of rates looks like,

858
01:21:19,660 --> 01:21:31,740
Similar to what we looked at before, we have the average user represented by the blue line, the high-use customer represented by the green and the low-use with the gray, but these are the rates that would be recommended under the scenario two.

859
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:38,900
So you see the increases are less in the early years than they were and there'll be a comparison slide that shows this coming up.

860
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:44,940
But so you might recall the medium user, the average user went from 210 to about 275 under the previous scenario.

861
01:21:44,940 --> 01:21:47,480
now it only goes to $2.50 on a bi-monthly basis.

862
01:21:48,260 --> 01:21:54,120
But then the increases in the later years are a little bit more under the scenario than

863
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:59,460
they were under scenario one because they're smoothed out a little bit over the five-year

864
01:21:59,460 --> 01:21:59,740
period.

865
01:21:59,880 --> 01:22:04,820
So that reduced increase in year one is made up over the subsequent four years.

866
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:09,700
So we end up the fifth year at $323, we were at $328 before.

867
01:22:09,700 --> 01:22:14,960
So we end up about $5 less on a bi-monthly period as compared to scenario one.

868
01:22:19,020 --> 01:22:24,060
So let's take a look at the difference or kind of comparison between the two scenarios.

869
01:22:24,780 --> 01:22:31,460
So this is the slide that we looked at before, the comparison of Vacaville to neighboring agencies.

870
01:22:31,980 --> 01:22:37,300
So the existing is still shown there all the way to the second last to the left there, $210.

871
01:22:37,300 --> 01:22:44,620
dollars, and you see scenario two, the first year is $250, an under scenario one, it's $275.

872
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:51,960
So really both in the same lane between Fairfield and West Sacramento, but it is $25 different,

873
01:22:52,580 --> 01:22:59,280
and still either scenario is well below the $357 average represented by that black line,

874
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:01,720
which is the average of all the comparison agencies we looked at.

875
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:01,780
But

876
01:23:04,950 --> 01:23:13,990
this is a comparison between the two scenarios of the changes and kind of re-states what I described a little bit earlier in graphic forms.

877
01:23:13,990 --> 01:23:22,630
So you see under scenario one, that first year increase is about $24 more than scenario two.

878
01:23:23,430 --> 01:23:28,570
And then you see starting in year two, the scenario two increases, start to make up some of that ground.

879
01:23:28,570 --> 01:23:38,450
So, as I indicated by the end of the five year period, it arrives at just about $5 less than the scenario one by monthly bill amount.

880
01:23:43,020 --> 01:23:45,560
And this just breaks this now down into a monthly look.

881
01:23:45,700 --> 01:23:49,380
So we've talked a lot about by monthly because the city does bill on a by monthly basis.

882
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:53,000
So we thought it might be helpful from a monthly standpoint.

883
01:23:53,420 --> 01:23:58,500
The change in the first year, under scenario one is about $32 under scenario two, it's about 20.

884
01:23:58,500 --> 01:24:12,400
And then you see each of the years after that, the amounts, the amount of the increase on a monthly basis, as opposed to a bi-monthly basis, again just to provide some visibility of what it might look like on a monthly rather than bi-monthly basis.

885
01:24:19,670 --> 01:24:26,170
Go ahead, go ahead. Larissa was going to talk a little bit about just some comparisons in terms of the cost of water to some other sources of water.

886
01:24:26,170 --> 01:24:26,830
To

887
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:37,780
help illustrate the value that customers are receiving we wanted to create another cost comparison

888
01:24:37,780 --> 01:24:43,900
So if you compare a single-use bottle of water, it's approximately a dollar fifty a bottle

889
01:24:43,900 --> 01:24:52,730
Which would equal about five and a half dollars per gallon for a water delivery service at the low end

890
01:24:52,730 --> 01:24:56,870
You're looking at about seven dollars for a five dollar five gallon bottle of water

891
01:24:56,870 --> 01:25:03,110
which is about $1.40 per gallon, but then you also have to consider any rental and delivery fees.

892
01:25:04,150 --> 01:25:11,830
If you were to utilize a water bottle refill station, you're looking at about $0.50 a gallon, which is a better value.

893
01:25:12,670 --> 01:25:22,330
And then for the city water delivered to your house, the current rates are a fraction of a cent per gallon.

894
01:25:22,330 --> 01:25:31,090
The one unit of water, so we're talking about 24 units of water for the average by a monthly

895
01:25:31,090 --> 01:25:36,710
customer, one unit of water is equal to 750, 748 gallons of water.

896
01:25:37,650 --> 01:25:40,630
I'm, yes, one unit, 748 gallons of water.

897
01:25:41,070 --> 01:25:47,650
So for the proposed rates, we're looking at that increasing to a fraction of a cent to just

898
01:25:47,650 --> 01:25:55,110
over one cent. And this range includes the fixed cost for the meter charges as well as

899
01:25:55,110 --> 01:26:02,690
the consumption. And the range also displays the difference between the 5-8s, 3-4s and 1-inch

900
01:26:02,690 --> 01:26:08,610
meter size. So taking all of that into consideration, the water that you're getting delivered to your

901
01:26:08,610 --> 01:26:12,690
house by the city is still the best value out of all of these sources.

902
01:26:15,620 --> 01:26:16,860
So finally, we're here at

903
01:26:16,860 --> 01:26:25,620
recommendations on alternatives. So for the staff recommendation, staff recommends that

904
01:26:25,620 --> 01:26:30,620
council adopts and implements the scenario one rate set out by Wilden in the water and

905
01:26:30,620 --> 01:26:36,760
wastewater rate study and as identified in the prop 218 notice. An additional alternative

906
01:26:37,260 --> 01:26:44,860
is number two, where council can adopt scenario one rates from the wastewater rate study but

907
01:26:44,860 --> 01:26:47,640
But implement rates at the scenario 2 level.

908
01:26:48,140 --> 01:26:53,800
With this option, Council would retain flexibility by adopting the maximum possible rates set

909
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:58,460
out in the Prop 2-18 notice, but setting the effective rate at the lower deferred maintenance

910
01:26:58,460 --> 01:27:00,500
rates specified in scenario 2.

911
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:06,720
If Council selects this alternative, staff's recommendation is to adopt the scenario 1 rates,

912
01:27:07,140 --> 01:27:12,020
but implement the increase at the scenario 2 rates, rather than add a different rate that

913
01:27:12,020 --> 01:27:17,320
It was not examined in the water and wastewater rate study because the rate charged the resident

914
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:22,080
should be based on data and analysis performed by Wildin for legal sufficiency purposes.

915
01:27:23,100 --> 01:27:29,140
The third option is another alternative where council can adopt and implement the scenario

916
01:27:29,140 --> 01:27:36,120
two rates set up by Wildin in the water and wastewater rate study because the prop to 18 authorized

917
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:40,600
adoption of rates up to the amount set up set in the public hearing notice.

918
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:47,460
Councils authorized to adopt and implement the new rate that is lower than what was specified in the original notice.

919
01:27:49,700 --> 01:27:53,280
We are happy to take any questions and comments.

920
01:27:54,100 --> 01:27:55,220
It's a lot of information there.

921
01:27:57,650 --> 01:27:59,190
I wanted to be very careful.

922
01:27:59,710 --> 01:28:04,250
Well, I appreciate it because we've been through many discussions in the past.

923
01:28:05,030 --> 01:28:06,110
Council Member Silver.

924
01:28:07,010 --> 01:28:12,390
Thank you for a very thorough data driven presentation.

925
01:28:12,850 --> 01:28:20,910
One thing I didn't quite get out of that and other meetings was, if we elect to do a deferred maintenance option,

926
01:28:21,190 --> 01:28:24,110
when would that deferred maintenance be implemented?

927
01:28:24,190 --> 01:28:28,090
It would be like, you're towards the end of the five year cycle, where it would be start off from the beginning.

928
01:28:31,210 --> 01:28:32,290
Thank you for the question.

929
01:28:32,510 --> 01:28:34,350
So the deferred maintenance would begin initially.

930
01:28:34,750 --> 01:28:38,990
So the funds come in, there is a priority project list that's set.

931
01:28:38,990 --> 01:28:44,470
They include Reservoir Rehab, Well Rehab, and Pipeline Rehab projects.

932
01:28:45,410 --> 01:28:49,110
So based on the amount of revenue we see, we can put the money towards those projects.

933
01:28:49,430 --> 01:28:52,410
And whatever we can't fund will be deferred to the following years.

934
01:28:54,110 --> 01:28:54,730
Thank you.

935
01:28:56,270 --> 01:28:57,250
You guys remember Wiley?

936
01:28:58,590 --> 01:29:00,150
Thank you for the information.

937
01:29:00,430 --> 01:29:02,930
Could you go to slide 27 or 21?

938
01:29:02,930 --> 01:29:06,070
They both have that chart about the percentages, and I wanted to look at that again.

939
01:29:06,070 --> 01:29:10,550
Because you kind of mentioned it, but we didn't say much about it because I'm really surprised

940
01:29:10,550 --> 01:29:11,630
at the percentages.

941
01:29:12,530 --> 01:29:22,030
So this is done on 24,000 CCFs, but the rate in the corner goes from 10 to 24.

942
01:29:22,470 --> 01:29:27,250
I wish it went from 10 to 23 because I wonder how many 24s are in that slide.

943
01:29:27,730 --> 01:29:35,150
Because it looks like 67% of the people would have a much lower rate than even is shown here.

944
01:29:35,150 --> 01:29:40,690
Like on this one shows the 174, whereas in all the other slides, you showed the 24.

945
01:29:41,290 --> 01:29:46,570
So 66% of the people will have less than what you showed on almost all the other slides.

946
01:29:47,110 --> 01:29:52,850
So in that 10-24 CCF, are most of them toward the low end or they evenly distributed so

947
01:29:52,850 --> 01:29:59,950
summer in the 24. Do you understand what I'm saying? Because 24 is in both of them, so...

948
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:07,300
So is it true that 67% of the people will have the lowest gray line raise rather than the blue line?

949
01:30:09,480 --> 01:30:31,080
So I think I follow the question. So yeah, the 24th, it's really above 24 and that third category. So it's really 24 above 24 to 40. And so this rate, the blue line is really starting with the 24 to 40. Then correct. Yes. Okay. And so a lot of the letters we got were people.

950
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:37,100
I'm you know on a single low income. I have don't have very much. I don't spend very much anyway

951
01:30:37,100 --> 01:30:41,660
So a lot of the people who have concerns won't have as big of a

952
01:30:42,300 --> 01:30:45,920
Increase as it looks if you're if using the numbers that you just say

953
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:49,900
Here's what the average is but the average is really for only

954
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:53,700
24% of the people not 67% that's correct

955
01:30:53,700 --> 01:30:58,800
So I just wanted to point that out because I'm really glad that you put that on there and then

956
01:31:02,860 --> 01:31:11,540
Secondly, I wanted to ask about how this is all related to pipe size because we didn't talk about this here.

957
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:18,320
Do all the people pay this rate or do some of them pay more if they're in newer houses and they have to have bigger pipes?

958
01:31:22,480 --> 01:31:29,680
So this graphic is an average, so it takes in kind of the generalization of what an average customer would pay.

959
01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:34,680
The actual bill that you would pay is dependent upon the meter size that you have at your house.

960
01:31:35,020 --> 01:31:43,920
We have five-eighths, three-quarters and one-inch meters, and there's a different rate charged for the level of service provided, depending on what meter you have at your residence or business.

961
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:49,100
And so you were saying the newer houses that are going in have to have a bigger than five-eighths.

962
01:31:49,220 --> 01:31:58,540
Yes, our newer standard meter is a one-inch meter, and their one-inch meters are required to meet the fire flow sprinkler installations that are required at newer homes.

963
01:31:59,940 --> 01:32:06,440
So, basically, still, 66% of the people will have a lower rate than we have been talking

964
01:32:06,440 --> 01:32:11,180
about as the average rate, and some people will have higher than that.

965
01:32:11,540 --> 01:32:16,080
And people who irrigate are going to be in that highest number, that's why I get on

966
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:20,920
my water bill, you're in the highest user area, you want to do something about it, but we

967
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:23,440
have grass and we irrigate, so that's where we are.

968
01:32:23,700 --> 01:32:24,960
Okay, I have one more question.

969
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:30,880
I really, it's really appreciated the last slide that you showed this time that talked

970
01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:35,840
about the cost of the water if you buy a water bottle, have it delivered, and or it.

971
01:32:36,420 --> 01:32:42,700
So thank you for including that because basically the water is free, but you're paying for

972
01:32:42,700 --> 01:32:43,220
the delivery.

973
01:32:43,620 --> 01:32:47,400
And that's what we have to pay for the pipes and all the workers and all the CIP projects

974
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:53,320
because the actual cost of the water is just a minuscule part of what we pay, correct?

975
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:57,120
That actual cost of the water covers everything.

976
01:32:57,240 --> 01:33:02,520
It covers the pipes, the treatment, the chemicals, salaries, benefits, electricity costs.

977
01:33:02,820 --> 01:33:07,320
Right, so we're paying for the whole package, the liver to our home on demand.

978
01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:08,760
For less than a penny a gallon.

979
01:33:08,820 --> 01:33:10,260
Yes, yes, so thank you.

980
01:33:12,900 --> 01:33:13,920
Council Member Stockton.

981
01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:14,960
Yes, thank you.

982
01:33:15,020 --> 01:33:21,280
For the presentation, I just want to confirm slide 27 is actually the rates for scenario number two, correct?

983
01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:26,840
That's correct.

984
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:30,980
Okay, can you go to the chart for scenario number one?

985
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:39,620
So it looked like those went up $20, $20 and then roughly 10, 10, 10, 10, the following three years, this one is going to be

986
01:33:41,020 --> 01:33:41,760
different. Yeah,

987
01:33:48,730 --> 01:33:49,310
and so the

988
01:33:50,210 --> 01:33:54,810
67 point whatever percent you're saying are going to be that gray line because

989
01:33:57,370 --> 01:33:59,170
there's four there's four percentages

990
01:33:59,170 --> 01:34:01,090
is with three lines.

991
01:34:02,310 --> 01:34:05,650
So essentially the top two, zero to 10 and 10 to 24

992
01:34:05,650 --> 01:34:07,230
represented by that gray line.

993
01:34:07,730 --> 01:34:09,830
The gray and the blue together.

994
01:34:11,310 --> 01:34:12,410
Sorry, the gray and the blue together.

995
01:34:14,230 --> 01:34:17,490
OK, so the zero to 10, this is what I was trying to get

996
01:34:17,490 --> 01:34:17,690
toward.

997
01:34:17,830 --> 01:34:21,090
The zero to 10 CCF is the gray line.

998
01:34:22,110 --> 01:34:22,510
Correct?

999
01:34:23,710 --> 01:34:24,470
Is that what you're saying, sir?

1000
01:34:24,910 --> 01:34:28,450
OK, and then the 10 to 24 is the blue line.

1001
01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:36,020
Well, the blue line is the categories on the, they're different.

1002
01:34:36,160 --> 01:34:41,960
So the blue line is just 24, the categories up in that, that box is the full range.

1003
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:44,300
So how many, you could say, the first

1004
01:34:47,060 --> 01:34:49,860
two categories, that the 0 to 10 and the 10 to 24.

1005
01:34:50,140 --> 01:34:55,600
So what is the 10 to 23, what percentage is that of the bi-monthly users?

1006
01:34:58,340 --> 01:35:04,540
It's, the, the labeling should be just, it's, it's the combination of the 30.97 and the 36.59.

1007
01:35:04,540 --> 01:35:07,100
nine, the total of those.

1008
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:11,380
And then the third category really should be above 24,

1009
01:35:11,380 --> 01:35:15,980
from 24, you know, 24.001 up to 40.

1010
01:35:16,140 --> 01:35:16,980
How do you want to say that?

1011
01:35:17,060 --> 01:35:20,540
So it's above 24 up to 40, if that makes sense.

1012
01:35:21,180 --> 01:35:22,780
So 24 is not in both categories.

1013
01:35:23,100 --> 01:35:23,740
Right, right.

1014
01:35:24,900 --> 01:35:26,260
So that's just a labeling.

1015
01:35:26,900 --> 01:35:27,300
Yeah.

1016
01:35:29,690 --> 01:35:32,490
So scenario number one is significantly higher

1017
01:35:32,490 --> 01:35:33,590
than scenario number two.

1018
01:35:33,590 --> 01:35:37,730
It is a particularly in the first year, right?

1019
01:35:42,110 --> 01:35:46,050
I'm going to go ahead and over to the public for a comment on this here.

1020
01:35:57,740 --> 01:36:01,520
Council, a couple of things, one is a comment.

1021
01:36:02,060 --> 01:36:07,340
My impression was that our rates were in good control because we always had an outstanding

1022
01:36:07,340 --> 01:36:08,480
utilities department.

1023
01:36:09,060 --> 01:36:10,960
Again, not blowing spoke just the way it was.

1024
01:36:11,140 --> 01:36:15,020
I had a lot of operations with them when I was in the fire service investigator.

1025
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:45,000
And I think it was 2003 or 2004 that the city just finished the expansion of a brand new wastewater treatment with a capacity to take care of future growth and just about when they're ready to turn that switch on the state of California said, oh by the way we just changed the standards that's my segue into my next question and brought it up before it was brought up that the federal EPA has a standard for hexavalent

1026
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:52,720
and then the state of California has one tenth of that value for exevalent chromium where to get the number.

1027
01:36:53,240 --> 01:37:02,480
About 10 years ago, the League of Cities sued the Department of Water Resources because they tried to stick this thing in before.

1028
01:37:02,900 --> 01:37:07,340
They withdrew the standard because they didn't have evidence for it.

1029
01:37:07,700 --> 01:37:14,100
I went to their website, I have found no peer-reviewed studies as to where they came up with this standard

1030
01:37:14,100 --> 01:37:17,340
of one-tenth of what the FedEED EPA.

1031
01:37:18,020 --> 01:37:21,000
Now, hexavalochromium is not something you want to monkey with.

1032
01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:25,780
But as Paraclesis says, dose makes the poison.

1033
01:37:26,700 --> 01:37:31,360
Chico, some years ago, kid died from drinking too much water and a fraternity dare.

1034
01:37:32,120 --> 01:37:35,800
So it's the volume, the content, the amount that makes the difference.

1035
01:37:37,980 --> 01:37:42,300
So I'm still not satisfied that we know what's the state doing.

1036
01:37:42,540 --> 01:37:43,340
Where do they get this number?

1037
01:37:43,340 --> 01:37:47,180
They pull out the air like high-end trend did with the diesel-particular standard.

1038
01:37:47,180 --> 01:37:48,360
You made it up, he lied.

1039
01:37:51,250 --> 01:37:56,410
Now the question is, if there was absolutely no growth, and I'm all for growth.

1040
01:37:56,870 --> 01:38:00,330
But if there was absolutely no growth in the city of Vacaville,

1041
01:38:02,700 --> 01:38:08,860
would our current resources meet our current demand?

1042
01:38:09,500 --> 01:38:11,580
So why are we expanding the system?

1043
01:38:11,580 --> 01:38:17,880
If it's for growth, then those people that want to build here and expand here should be

1044
01:38:17,880 --> 01:38:20,200
paying for that new infrastructure.

1045
01:38:20,520 --> 01:38:21,880
We used to call it impact fees.

1046
01:38:22,360 --> 01:38:24,180
Now, I don't think it's been segregated out.

1047
01:38:25,540 --> 01:38:28,740
So do we need that and who's paying for this expansion?

1048
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:38,060
And as far as I really like preventive maintenance, I've done app-raz replacement programs, etc.

1049
01:38:38,060 --> 01:38:47,400
But if our service life was engineered for 100 years, I don't think we should be authoring to start replacing it at 50 years.

1050
01:38:47,540 --> 01:38:52,580
There were two numbers put up there, just going to opinion so if you could address those issues, I appreciate it.

1051
01:38:52,680 --> 01:38:53,000
Thank you.

1052
01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:55,220
Thank you.

1053
01:39:02,400 --> 01:39:03,020
Good evening.

1054
01:39:03,620 --> 01:39:04,620
Good evening, Mayor.

1055
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:10,740
Vice Mayor, City Council members and City staff.

1056
01:39:10,740 --> 01:39:17,040
Leo Escarsica, White Sands Drive, commenting on the staff report supporting this agenda item.

1057
01:39:17,720 --> 01:39:23,040
A question regarding the capital cost to improve five of the city water supply wells

1058
01:39:23,390 --> 01:39:32,060
to comply with the state mandated MCL for hexavalent, Chromian 6 of 10 parts per billion.

1059
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:40,100
In table five of this report, water CPI only four wells are listed for chromium treatment.

1060
01:39:40,100 --> 01:39:46,820
Chromian 6 treatment, well number 9, well number 14, number 15, and number 16.

1061
01:39:47,620 --> 01:39:49,320
Perhaps I misread the table.

1062
01:39:50,040 --> 01:39:52,940
So if I could have clarification on that, that would be great.

1063
01:39:54,090 --> 01:40:03,360
If I recall correctly, the cost for regulatory compliance has been noted as $36.73 million.

1064
01:40:03,360 --> 01:40:10,800
dollars. However, there is also an added expense to the city in the legal challenge against

1065
01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:18,540
the updated maximum contaminant level. Those costs to date and future expenses are unknown

1066
01:40:18,540 --> 01:40:25,480
to the public. I am urging the city council to reconsider this legal challenge on the bases

1067
01:40:25,480 --> 01:40:31,700
that the Vacaville utility department's mission is to provide reliable, safe, and high-quality

1068
01:40:31,700 --> 01:40:37,900
drinking water. Likewise, the state water resource control board mission is to ensure the

1069
01:40:37,900 --> 01:40:44,700
highest reasonable quality for waters of the state. The water board relied on the state

1070
01:40:44,700 --> 01:40:50,900
office of Environmental Health Hazard Assessment, which mission is to perform health risk assessment

1071
01:40:51,200 --> 01:41:00,740
and develop public health goals for drinking water contaminants in California. The state of

1072
01:41:00,740 --> 01:41:11,260
I mean ingested hexavalent chromium and cancer in July 2014, establishing a maximum contaminant level for

1073
01:41:11,260 --> 01:41:14,940
a hexavalent chromium of 10 parts per billion.

1074
01:41:15,820 --> 01:41:17,880
In closing, I offer a suggestion.

1075
01:41:18,860 --> 01:41:24,120
City council members have expressed concern for those residents that will be impacted by the rate increase.

1076
01:41:24,120 --> 01:41:34,640
city council, consider moving forward with a cannabis business model, a portion of the city tax revenue generated would then assist those in need.

1077
01:41:35,220 --> 01:41:35,720
I thank you.

1078
01:41:36,700 --> 01:41:37,660
Thank you.

1079
01:41:43,510 --> 01:41:45,910
Good afternoon, two quick counter-observations.

1080
01:41:46,670 --> 01:41:56,630
The first being that while it is wonderful how much cheaper city water is than bottled water, I have never taken a shower with bottled water.

1081
01:41:56,630 --> 01:41:59,850
I have never taken a shower with bottled water when I wasn't in the field.

1082
01:42:01,510 --> 01:42:04,190
I also have never watered my lawn with bottled water.

1083
01:42:06,730 --> 01:42:14,330
I would also like to point out that on this list here, I myself, I have three teenagers, well two, one about to be a teenager.

1084
01:42:14,950 --> 01:42:16,550
So I'm well above the green line.

1085
01:42:17,090 --> 01:42:24,530
However, the city's most vulnerable population to this, for the most part, is going to be under that gray line.

1086
01:42:26,050 --> 01:42:35,230
where they're on a fixed income, their usage is lower, so it's going to affect them in a different way than it's going to affect me.

1087
01:42:35,870 --> 01:42:41,910
And I urge the City Council to strongly take into consideration those people as opposed to myself.

1088
01:42:42,370 --> 01:42:46,930
I am in my 40s, I'm working, I can absorb a hit like this.

1089
01:42:47,330 --> 01:42:49,650
A lot of the elderly population in the city cannot.

1090
01:42:49,650 --> 01:43:01,010
So, if you're going to consider how this is going to affect me and my family, I would ask you instead to consider how it's going to affect the elderly and retired as I can take this hit, they cannot.

1091
01:43:01,310 --> 01:43:02,110
So, thank you for your time.

1092
01:43:03,210 --> 01:43:03,870
Thank you.

1093
01:43:15,960 --> 01:43:18,240
Good evening, everyone.

1094
01:43:19,720 --> 01:43:29,680
You know, I've been following this since May, maybe a little bit before May, and what jumps out at me is the sewer rate

1095
01:43:29,680 --> 01:43:40,500
increase hasn't been since 2014 and so the water department here seems to me

1096
01:43:40,500 --> 01:43:52,680
with the rate of expansion this city has grown since 2014. It's like how come

1097
01:43:52,680 --> 01:44:01,120
this has never been addressed, where's the anticipation when we're seeing the growth rate

1098
01:44:01,120 --> 01:44:02,240
of this area.

1099
01:44:02,420 --> 01:44:09,760
We're located in the prime commute part of California between the Bay Area and all,

1100
01:44:09,940 --> 01:44:16,980
and so now we're coming up with these water and sewer rates and

1101
01:44:18,990 --> 01:44:20,870
it's a nice chunk of change.

1102
01:44:21,890 --> 01:44:37,770
So with that said, then this analysis started 22, 2022, and it's taken two years, 2022 to 2024.

1103
01:44:38,690 --> 01:44:48,910
It just seems to me like the Water Department has let the residents down by not anticipating

1104
01:44:48,910 --> 01:44:56,330
the growth and basically the state's requirements.

1105
01:44:58,670 --> 01:44:59,950
That was some...

1106
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,620
First and foremost on my mind. And then the second item I'm I've seen that we have this lawsuit pending and there's multiple cities throughout the state that are fighting. I guess it's that requirement for whatever that element is in the water. When is that is that in court right now and do they have or do they even have a court date for that because part of the

1107
01:45:29,620 --> 01:45:41,040
The presentation was that they would, whatever the outcome was on that court day is that it could affect our rates, our rates could be lowered.

1108
01:45:41,300 --> 01:45:48,740
So does anyone know what's going on with that, when, where the process, that court date is in the process of all of this?

1109
01:45:49,900 --> 01:45:51,860
That's all I have, thanks you guys.

1110
01:45:51,860 --> 01:45:53,180
Yes, thank you.

1111
01:45:57,670 --> 01:46:02,070
Go ahead and close the public comment portion of this hearing and bring it back.

1112
01:46:02,410 --> 01:46:08,950
There are several items that you may be able to address if possible, so give it your best.

1113
01:46:10,710 --> 01:46:12,490
Thank you mayor, I took some brief notes here.

1114
01:46:12,630 --> 01:46:17,550
So the EPA does have a total chromium of 100 parts per billion.

1115
01:46:18,310 --> 01:46:25,050
The state of California has adopted a hexavitant chromium of 10 parts per billion as an MCL.

1116
01:46:25,050 --> 01:46:33,510
So it is one-tenth, and it's specific to hexavalent chromium that was enacted in October of last year, and we have two years to get in compliance with that.

1117
01:46:34,970 --> 01:46:37,170
Several comments, questions related to growth.

1118
01:46:37,850 --> 01:46:47,410
This is not related to, I guess the monies that are going to collect it through this rate study go to the operating expenses and maintaining our existing facilities.

1119
01:46:48,210 --> 01:46:53,370
The development impact fees that the gentleman mentioned are related to growth inducing costs.

1120
01:46:53,370 --> 01:47:01,230
So pipelines associated with new developments, the developers do pay their fair share through that development impact fee process.

1121
01:47:03,180 --> 01:47:10,700
The service life of the lines after 50 years, I think the concept there is that we're not replacing all those lines this year.

1122
01:47:11,400 --> 01:47:16,500
We put in less than $1 million into our capital transfers this year.

1123
01:47:17,340 --> 01:47:20,740
I think Larissa said it would be $170 million to replace those lines.

1124
01:47:20,740 --> 01:47:27,400
So, at that rate, we'd have 170 years to get those lines replaced that were built before

1125
01:47:27,400 --> 01:47:29,920
19, I think it was 75 on the slide.

1126
01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:35,020
That's the inadequacy that we see here is that we need to start now on those lines that

1127
01:47:35,020 --> 01:47:38,920
are over 100 years old and we do have lines in the system that are over 100 years old and

1128
01:47:38,920 --> 01:47:43,020
start replacing those lines so that the lines that are 50 years old today that we can have

1129
01:47:43,020 --> 01:47:46,120
that money 50 years from now to replace those lines when they come to.

1130
01:47:48,340 --> 01:47:54,800
The one gentleman spoke to the wells, the correct we have just four wells that we're going to look to treat Chromium-6 at.

1131
01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:59,260
The fifth well is an older well, and the plan is to just mothball that facility.

1132
01:47:59,660 --> 01:48:13,720
It doesn't seem like a worthwhile investment to put millions of dollars into an aging well that may not reap the benefits of several years of service after putting a bunch of brand new Chromium-6 treatment into it.

1133
01:48:17,120 --> 01:48:22,320
The legal challenge, there's some costs and date, I think I'll defer to Melinda.

1134
01:48:22,460 --> 01:48:25,120
I know that it's later this year, but you may have some more specifics.

1135
01:48:25,500 --> 01:48:26,500
I don't mean to put you on the spot.

1136
01:48:27,920 --> 01:48:28,860
Yes, no worries.

1137
01:48:29,460 --> 01:48:33,100
So there is a case, it's filed in a federal court in Fresno County.

1138
01:48:33,840 --> 01:48:36,920
And they're anticipating a hearing sometime late fall.

1139
01:48:37,980 --> 01:48:40,680
That's, it hasn't been said yet, but that's the expectation.

1140
01:48:40,680 --> 01:48:42,880
I think we speak to the cost.

1141
01:48:44,360 --> 01:48:47,100
So at this point the city hasn't contributed any funding.

1142
01:48:47,740 --> 01:48:52,800
That could change later, but at this point there's no cost to the city as far as dollars.

1143
01:48:53,660 --> 01:48:54,460
Staff time yes.

1144
01:48:55,680 --> 01:48:56,160
Great.

1145
01:48:56,660 --> 01:48:57,180
Yeah, thank you.

1146
01:48:57,740 --> 01:49:04,440
And I know that as you speak to five additional wells, I think you're looking in the future.

1147
01:49:06,100 --> 01:49:08,760
What's the expertise to make sure that we don't hit Chrome 6?

1148
01:49:11,610 --> 01:49:38,850
So we hired Newdorf and Scalamine certified geologists, they're the ones that produced the Groundwater Sustainability Plan for the Salano Subbasin, which we are part of, and taking all the information they have from all the wells within the counties, the cities, the irrigation districts, and doing an overlay of the different layers, it's not as simple as just going down and Chromium is at 100 feet to 200 feet or it's deeper or it's shallower, it migrates in different areas, depending on where you're at in the county.

1149
01:49:39,890 --> 01:49:43,650
like Dixon for whatever reason has concentrations, we have concentrations.

1150
01:49:44,430 --> 01:49:47,790
And then you go further east and Chrome 6 kind of dissipates.

1151
01:49:48,370 --> 01:49:55,270
So they're working on a strategy to identify areas that have a high likelihood of not encountering Chrome 6 when we drill.

1152
01:49:56,050 --> 01:50:00,050
But they'll tell you just as I'll tell you today is the only way you know is putting a hole in the ground.

1153
01:50:00,470 --> 01:50:02,670
Okay, Council Member Silver.

1154
01:50:03,710 --> 01:50:11,130
Thank you. So I wasn't here when this last item, this item last came up, but I don't want

1155
01:50:11,130 --> 01:50:16,810
thing that came up. You know, some of them mentioned about different alternative funding

1156
01:50:16,810 --> 01:50:21,990
sources. You know, cannabis specifically, that's something that council decided, wasn't

1157
01:50:21,990 --> 01:50:28,230
a priority this particular year. The, and I don't think we also don't have a cost benefit

1158
01:50:28,230 --> 01:50:32,050
analysis so I think a lot of times people in the community think that oh we

1159
01:50:32,050 --> 01:50:36,290
start selling cannabis that that's going to be a cure-all for everything we

1160
01:50:36,290 --> 01:50:41,370
don't have any data to support that one way or another so the financial

1161
01:50:41,370 --> 01:50:44,830
assistance program can you elaborate a little bit more on that comment I know

1162
01:50:44,830 --> 01:50:48,290
that's come up in many conversations about those who may have some type of

1163
01:50:48,290 --> 01:50:50,930
financial hardship before the utilities so

1164
01:50:52,980 --> 01:50:55,040
we currently do have a low

1165
01:50:55,040 --> 01:51:00,200
income program this is not necessarily geared towards seniors and we

1166
01:51:00,200 --> 01:51:07,560
We cannot have other classes of customers subsidize a class of customers such as seat

1167
01:51:07,560 --> 01:51:09,320
and years because it could be seen as discrimination.

1168
01:51:10,040 --> 01:51:16,100
However, if they do meet the income requirements based on the PG&E care program, then they can

1169
01:51:16,100 --> 01:51:18,220
apply for this discount program.

1170
01:51:18,940 --> 01:51:23,800
We currently, like in the current fiscal year, in the past few fiscal years, we have fun

1171
01:51:23,800 --> 01:51:26,600
and set aside that are non-rate revenue.

1172
01:51:27,420 --> 01:51:30,580
And so these are things such as our cell tower leases

1173
01:51:30,980 --> 01:51:33,940
that we can use towards that program.

1174
01:51:34,540 --> 01:51:38,320
And generally, we have about $400,000 of available in funding.

1175
01:51:38,780 --> 01:51:43,900
The way we've determined the low income discount,

1176
01:51:44,220 --> 01:51:47,080
which is $8 a bi-mentally billing period,

1177
01:51:47,420 --> 01:51:50,380
is taking the data that PG&E has provided,

1178
01:51:50,380 --> 01:51:54,920
based on everyone that is eligible for that program through PG&E,

1179
01:51:54,920 --> 01:51:58,920
and dividing that by the amount of available funding.

1180
01:51:59,380 --> 01:52:02,960
So, it is currently not being utilized to capacity.

1181
01:52:03,320 --> 01:52:07,940
That is something that we could potentially take a look at,

1182
01:52:08,240 --> 01:52:10,040
but we run the risk of running out of funding

1183
01:52:10,040 --> 01:52:11,760
or not being able to serve everyone,

1184
01:52:11,940 --> 01:52:15,120
which is why we developed the low income discount program

1185
01:52:15,120 --> 01:52:16,160
as it currently is.

1186
01:52:16,380 --> 01:52:17,580
Thank you for allowing me.

1187
01:52:17,580 --> 01:52:19,140
And where would, so even currently,

1188
01:52:19,620 --> 01:52:22,720
whether it's whatever council decides to do with this item,

1189
01:52:23,360 --> 01:52:26,580
where would residents go to find more information about that?

1190
01:52:27,120 --> 01:52:29,040
Information is available on our website.

1191
01:52:29,240 --> 01:52:33,400
They can also call our utility billing department.

1192
01:52:33,780 --> 01:52:36,060
That information is available on our website,

1193
01:52:36,280 --> 01:52:40,320
but also just to state it in case anybody wants to take it down.

1194
01:52:40,680 --> 01:52:45,140
The phone number is 707-449-5128,

1195
01:52:45,320 --> 01:52:46,720
and they'd be happy to help you out.

1196
01:52:46,720 --> 01:52:51,680
there is an application that you need to fill out and then, of course, you have to show proof of

1197
01:52:52,220 --> 01:52:57,860
enrollment of in the PG&U program which would generally require you to submit a copy of your bill and

1198
01:52:57,860 --> 01:53:02,480
once you have done those things and they are able to verify that they will set you up on

1199
01:53:02,480 --> 01:53:04,080
on that discount program.

1200
01:53:04,460 --> 01:53:08,880
Thank you. And then just in my comments on this particular item is that

1201
01:53:09,420 --> 01:53:14,500
you know, it sounded like council or some council members were in favor of

1202
01:53:14,500 --> 01:53:17,760
Option one, but then different things or concerns came up.

1203
01:53:19,340 --> 01:53:21,540
I believe that would have safe drinking water.

1204
01:53:21,900 --> 01:53:25,760
I believe that we need to be in compliance with something that's already been set.

1205
01:53:25,900 --> 01:53:31,000
Whether we agree with it or not, for the state of California, there's a lot of other huge,

1206
01:53:31,000 --> 01:53:34,800
unintended consequences that I think will result to that if we are out of compliance.

1207
01:53:36,060 --> 01:53:42,580
And we are fighting, quote unquote, fighting back in the ways that we do in the sense that we're a part of litigation,

1208
01:53:42,580 --> 01:53:46,780
which limits our ability to discuss these items further.

1209
01:53:47,060 --> 01:53:52,880
I know, I think a couple of us on Council here have had discussions with elected members to

1210
01:53:53,700 --> 01:53:59,860
state elected members to see if there's different avenues to support that, but here we are.

1211
01:54:00,200 --> 01:54:10,440
So I think when the first two options came up, one of my concerns with option one was that the initial rate increase was perhaps two cost burden for

1212
01:54:10,440 --> 01:54:16,860
those who are most financially burdened and so, you know, if council is not in support

1213
01:54:16,860 --> 01:54:22,540
of that, I think we should move forward option, the second option, I forget what the technical

1214
01:54:22,540 --> 01:54:27,060
term was, but option two, where it's kind of more scaled out over, again, the concern about

1215
01:54:27,060 --> 01:54:31,620
that is that we are deferring maintenance, which is kind of in this, which has exacerbated

1216
01:54:31,620 --> 01:54:37,260
the situation that we're in now from, you know, just prior decisions based on what was going

1217
01:54:37,260 --> 01:54:41,460
on at the time. So I think we have to be careful about not being in compliance and about

1218
01:54:41,460 --> 01:54:46,180
a tremendous amount of unintended consequences. You know, if chroma-6 is known to cause lung cancer,

1219
01:54:46,420 --> 01:54:54,060
if we don't address that, you know, you can imagine the amount of the lawsuit second comes towards

1220
01:54:54,060 --> 01:55:00,420
us for not doing our best to be in compliance and keep our community safe. So I think that,

1221
01:55:00,540 --> 01:55:03,920
you know, again, if council's on supportive one, we've got to go with two to be in compliance.

1222
01:55:03,920 --> 01:55:04,380
Thanks.

1223
01:55:05,180 --> 01:55:07,220
Councilmember Stockham, or excuse me, free mail?

1224
01:55:08,680 --> 01:55:10,000
Yeah, thank you.

1225
01:55:10,880 --> 01:55:23,840
So I'm looking at this, I'm looking at scenario one at the end of 2030 and scenario one for the top user to be $416.

1226
01:55:25,000 --> 01:55:29,900
The next level, 328, the next level 200, the lowest level, 251.

1227
01:55:29,900 --> 01:55:35,820
And in scenario two, it's basically about a $5 difference at the end of the day.

1228
01:55:36,060 --> 01:55:43,380
So it's not a significant amount of money between scenario one and scenario two at the end of at the end of 2030.

1229
01:55:43,660 --> 01:55:44,520
Is that sound about right?

1230
01:55:47,590 --> 01:55:48,170
That's correct.

1231
01:55:48,410 --> 01:55:51,090
The biggest difference is in that first year jump.

1232
01:55:51,230 --> 01:55:53,590
So that it's kind of evened out over the five year period.

1233
01:55:53,590 --> 01:55:57,390
But we end up just about at the same place at the end of the five years, as you mentioned, about $5 less.

1234
01:55:59,370 --> 01:56:10,790
And I would agree with something that somebody said earlier, this isn't as a result of development coming in because the developers are paying all of these costs up front.

1235
01:56:10,910 --> 01:56:20,070
This is more along the terms of everything, all the infrastructure that's here and the infrastructure that's needing repair, these types of things.

1236
01:56:20,070 --> 01:56:31,810
But man, I just look at this and I think about, I mean, that's a really big jump from $251 to $416 for some people.

1237
01:56:32,330 --> 01:56:45,570
I would agree with somebody said, I can afford it, I can absorb it, but I also know that there's a lot of elderly in the community and others that can afford it.

1238
01:56:45,570 --> 01:56:51,110
And I just, I'm not trying to point a finger at anybody and nobody feels this way,

1239
01:56:51,290 --> 01:56:53,090
but I just ask how did we get here?

1240
01:56:53,310 --> 01:56:57,770
Because, you know, we haven't had a rate increase in 11 years and now five years.

1241
01:56:57,950 --> 01:57:00,810
And so, where was the planning back then for this?

1242
01:57:00,950 --> 01:57:07,130
You know, who was looking forward to our future of where we're at now?

1243
01:57:07,830 --> 01:57:12,990
And it just seems like there's a big jump, you know,

1244
01:57:12,990 --> 01:57:19,990
So when we could have had a 3% increase starting back 11 years ago and we wouldn't be having this conversation today probably.

1245
01:57:20,630 --> 01:57:30,110
So that's the thing that troubles me is kind of like who's in charge for the last 10 years to where we overlook this.

1246
01:57:30,250 --> 01:57:33,990
And I know there's a lot that are factored in there with COVID and

1247
01:57:34,670 --> 01:57:40,930
our fuel prices being extravagant over the top which causes a lot of our chemicals to be over the top.

1248
01:57:40,930 --> 01:57:47,990
And PG&E raises our reach by 25% or 20% and then another 20% and we don't have any say over that site.

1249
01:57:48,130 --> 01:58:01,490
I get all that but I'm just thinking how do we get the people that can't afford this, how can we get them any relief under Proposition 218.

1250
01:58:01,910 --> 01:58:08,330
So I know I'm just rambling on, I'm not trying to sit here and talk to hear myself talk but it frustrates me.

1251
01:58:08,330 --> 01:58:15,630
And I just think, you know, I mean, it's a big, it's a big jump, you know, it's just a big jump, so I'll stop with that.

1252
01:58:16,310 --> 01:58:19,010
And you don't have to respond, I'm just rambling, I'm sorry.

1253
01:58:20,890 --> 01:58:23,290
That's what you're calling the answer for, and you can share your thoughts.

1254
01:58:23,810 --> 01:58:26,130
Yeah, Councilmember Stockton.

1255
01:58:28,090 --> 01:58:31,990
Yes, and thank you, Councilmember Fremow for bringing that up.

1256
01:58:32,090 --> 01:58:35,770
I definitely think if we had a crystal ball, there's probably lots of things that would go back and change.

1257
01:58:35,770 --> 01:58:40,330
What I do appreciate is that staff did identify the current status of where we're at right now.

1258
01:58:40,710 --> 01:58:44,210
I know that you're doing your best to try to get us in a better situation.

1259
01:58:45,270 --> 01:58:50,330
So since we've looked at the past, I guess for me, what I want to know is,

1260
01:58:51,230 --> 01:58:57,470
what are we going to do moving forward so that we don't have a similar situation like this happen again?

1261
01:58:58,670 --> 01:59:00,110
That's really what I want to know.

1262
01:59:00,290 --> 01:59:03,150
I mean, I think we have a really clear understanding of where we're at right now.

1263
01:59:03,150 --> 01:59:19,150
But what reassurance is the staff have or ideas the staff have to provide reassurances to the community that we're not going to find ourselves in a similar situation, you know, five, 10 years down the road once whatever decisions made today.

1264
01:59:19,150 --> 01:59:27,160
I appreciate the question Mr. Doctin, and I won't speak to the sins of the past administrations.

1265
01:59:28,520 --> 01:59:35,300
We have a problem, and it's a hit being the bearer of bad news, but this can't has been

1266
01:59:35,300 --> 01:59:36,840
kicked down the road for whatever reason.

1267
01:59:37,920 --> 01:59:42,940
Going forward, our plan is to basically monitor this as we move forward.

1268
01:59:43,420 --> 01:59:49,080
This should be done every five years, just to reassess, not necessarily to say, oh, we need

1269
01:59:49,080 --> 01:59:53,200
to raise rates, but to reassess your rates to see what your spending plan was, what your

1270
01:59:53,200 --> 01:59:55,920
revenues actually are coming in, because these are all projections.

1271
01:59:56,400 --> 01:59:59,760
You have a CPI built into these, you have water sales.

1272
02:00:00,640 --> 02:00:21,340
All of those can change, and that change can either be to the good or to the bad, and reassessing that every five years, and presenting it to this council to say, this is what the last five years have done, this is where your utilities department stands today, we are either healthy or not, and we need to either raise rates or we can hold steady. So what is the cost to have that assessment done to the city?

1273
02:00:27,500 --> 02:00:35,520
So initially, when we brought Wilden on board, I believe we look, it was somewhere around 40,000,

1274
02:00:36,700 --> 02:00:45,200
We've had some additional work being done because there was an extended period of time that we have contracted for these services.

1275
02:00:45,860 --> 02:00:52,680
And then in addition, the mailing of the notices costs about an additional $50,000.

1276
02:00:53,080 --> 02:00:58,700
So about $100,000 to have this done every five years or so, and we may be able to avoid that.

1277
02:00:59,100 --> 02:01:05,240
I would ask, regardless of what happens today, I think that needs to be codified in a policy.

1278
02:01:05,240 --> 02:01:09,680
that we do that every three to five years

1279
02:01:09,680 --> 02:01:12,520
or whatever staff recommends is an industry standard

1280
02:01:12,520 --> 02:01:13,860
for something like this to make sure we don't

1281
02:01:13,860 --> 02:01:16,540
find ourselves sleeping on this.

1282
02:01:16,760 --> 02:01:18,680
I mean, I know that there's a multitude of reasons

1283
02:01:19,280 --> 02:01:21,500
that these things slip through the cracks, I get it.

1284
02:01:21,640 --> 02:01:24,420
We are balancing plates on sticks sometimes

1285
02:01:24,420 --> 02:01:26,180
with even our feet, feels like,

1286
02:01:26,380 --> 02:01:27,720
with all of the different stuff.

1287
02:01:28,000 --> 02:01:30,720
It makes it really difficult to keep track of everything

1288
02:01:31,280 --> 02:01:32,860
even for you and for staff.

1289
02:01:32,860 --> 02:01:39,660
So if we codify it in some sort of policy, then maybe that would help us stay on top of it in the future

1290
02:01:39,660 --> 02:01:41,120
I am I am really

1291
02:01:41,820 --> 02:01:45,780
Concerned about the amount of money like I get it. It is it is what it is

1292
02:01:46,900 --> 02:01:52,640
First scenario number one. It looks like the increases rate from over the five-year period go up

1293
02:01:53,260 --> 02:02:00,700
Depending upon each one anywhere from you know rough calculations are $7,618 and $165

1294
02:02:00,700 --> 02:02:11,080
dollars. You know, I know that you go through and you break things down, you know, how it

1295
02:02:11,080 --> 02:02:16,240
makes the most sense with the usage and stuff, but I also, I'm also curious to know, you

1296
02:02:16,240 --> 02:02:22,160
know, how many of our families that live in a home versus people who rent an apartment

1297
02:02:22,160 --> 02:02:28,700
versus, you know, some of those, some of that information is helpful for us when we're making

1298
02:02:28,700 --> 02:02:33,900
in some of these decisions because renters versus homeowners, I mean, people are really

1299
02:02:33,900 --> 02:02:38,820
struggling to be able to afford houses in Vacaville, let alone keep them.

1300
02:02:39,420 --> 02:02:43,860
So I don't know if there's a way that you can look at that based upon the water bill and

1301
02:02:43,860 --> 02:02:48,200
you know, kind of cross referencing the address so that we know if it's an apartment complex

1302
02:02:48,200 --> 02:02:51,320
versus a home and where those homes are located.

1303
02:02:51,760 --> 02:02:55,940
But it would be interesting to know the level of usage that's happening, which green line

1304
02:02:55,940 --> 02:02:59,420
and represent a family of three or a family of five

1305
02:02:59,420 --> 02:03:02,260
or an apartment unit or something like that.

1306
02:03:02,460 --> 02:03:05,800
So I think that would be helpful moving forward.

1307
02:03:09,170 --> 02:03:10,470
Well, I think in a very similar way,

1308
02:03:10,550 --> 02:03:12,350
the way we do budgets start forecasting.

1309
02:03:12,830 --> 02:03:15,290
So there's a cost to do this to 18 process,

1310
02:03:15,430 --> 02:03:18,970
but you could be looking at this in three-year cycles,

1311
02:03:18,970 --> 02:03:20,430
so you're projecting how we're looking,

1312
02:03:20,570 --> 02:03:22,850
how we're looking, starting to look like a cliff.

1313
02:03:23,850 --> 02:03:26,030
Clearly, it's hard to look at this 11 years later

1314
02:03:26,030 --> 02:03:31,290
and sit there and think that somehow, I know where you stand on this is like this should

1315
02:03:31,290 --> 02:03:37,070
have been done a long time ago. It's not, but here we are. So, Council Member Richie.

1316
02:03:39,300 --> 02:03:39,500
Thank you.

1317
02:03:41,040 --> 02:03:41,900
Hold on a second, Jay.

1318
02:03:47,480 --> 02:03:48,100
There you go.

1319
02:03:48,360 --> 02:03:48,880
There you go.

1320
02:03:49,480 --> 02:03:49,740
Thank you.

1321
02:03:49,800 --> 02:03:50,700
I really appreciate your comments.

1322
02:03:51,040 --> 02:03:53,180
I'm passionate about shared.

1323
02:03:54,440 --> 02:03:59,320
You know, I look at what we're doing here. We're legal cities working hard. We're part of

1324
02:04:00,260 --> 02:04:02,900
I want to make sure our efforts aren't for loss.

1325
02:04:03,580 --> 02:04:09,040
There's a huge cost, we didn't really cover that much in the cost to get the existing

1326
02:04:09,040 --> 02:04:12,920
woes we're going to utilize in a Chrome 6 repaired, is it like $39 million?

1327
02:04:14,120 --> 02:04:17,200
I don't remember, $31 million inflation is going to come.

1328
02:04:19,400 --> 02:04:25,740
You know, I like the option to scenario because it's going to give us the latitude to make adjustments.

1329
02:04:26,520 --> 02:04:32,020
because I'm hopeful that the efforts we're doing to make sure that we are part of the lawsuit

1330
02:04:32,020 --> 02:04:37,720
pushing grind on the state to hopefully relieve this fee, and then that'll be like a release

1331
02:04:37,720 --> 02:04:42,180
valve because of that happens saying any year and a half or two years from now, it's within

1332
02:04:42,180 --> 02:04:47,140
that five-year period, and we can see a reduction of all the fees, but it won't put us behind,

1333
02:04:47,300 --> 02:04:47,640
is that correct?

1334
02:04:49,060 --> 02:04:51,300
That's correct. Option two does give you that flexibility.

1335
02:04:51,300 --> 02:04:51,580
ability.

1336
02:04:52,540 --> 02:04:57,280
I mean, I think two years, seriously a lot of changes in California, hopefully people

1337
02:04:57,280 --> 02:04:59,340
that are appointed are gone, elected around.

1338
02:04:59,840 --> 02:05:04,100
So people could shift, and their ideas and policies, procedures gone there, could shift.

1339
02:05:04,560 --> 02:05:07,900
And people who are listening to a pay attention, maybe they should reassess how we got this place.

1340
02:05:08,400 --> 02:05:13,340
So I think just taking that into account, hopefully it's going to benefit us, to where everyone

1341
02:05:13,340 --> 02:05:18,940
we're doing the legal cities, and working together as a region to help fix this problem,

1342
02:05:18,940 --> 02:05:22,760
that could put a pressure off that and then make up that gap a lot faster.

1343
02:05:22,980 --> 02:05:26,140
So I know it's more, I mean, I'm supportive of option two.

1344
02:05:26,660 --> 02:05:31,820
It's of course option two, choice one, I don't know, but that's fair.

1345
02:05:32,600 --> 02:05:34,900
So you're saying the second preference, I'll turn it up.

1346
02:05:34,900 --> 02:05:36,360
Yeah, Vice Mayor Chappell.

1347
02:05:37,160 --> 02:05:37,500
Thank you.

1348
02:05:38,360 --> 02:05:42,800
Thank you for the presentation.

1349
02:05:43,380 --> 02:05:46,920
I mean, it was 101 all the way.

1350
02:05:47,820 --> 02:06:01,860
didn't leave any area for to be questioned. I was going to, I like, well, first of all,

1351
02:06:01,900 --> 02:06:06,120
first of all, being a compliance, standing compliance. It's very important. I mean,

1352
02:06:07,360 --> 02:06:10,960
I don't even have to put blinders on for that. That is a known, known.

1353
02:06:10,960 --> 02:06:23,670
the I agree with option two however you have mentioned in option two click

1354
02:06:23,670 --> 02:06:28,670
will you break that down that is we will still go with option what's written

1355
02:06:28,670 --> 02:06:36,430
option one however for the rate the rate to be set would be lower because that was

1356
02:06:36,430 --> 02:06:44,140
option two correct that's correct so you're blessed to blend the two

1357
02:06:44,140 --> 02:06:52,820
And option two will give us more flexibility later on than option three, so I'm totally

1358
02:06:52,820 --> 02:06:54,260
against option three.

1359
02:06:55,180 --> 02:07:03,240
And so I agree option two, in my opinion, based upon your presentation, and what we know

1360
02:07:03,240 --> 02:07:12,620
and the lawsuit that is out there, not knowing when it's going to be addressed, I think this

1361
02:07:12,620 --> 02:07:14,660
It's the best one for the people of Lacka Bill.

1362
02:07:15,700 --> 02:07:19,220
In just a quick clarification, since you brought that up,

1363
02:07:19,220 --> 02:07:19,740
it's a good point.

1364
02:07:21,520 --> 02:07:25,280
The city of Lacka Bill could adopt any rate

1365
02:07:26,960 --> 02:07:31,840
in these scenarios and set the amount separately

1366
02:07:31,840 --> 02:07:32,860
at any time, correct?

1367
02:07:34,240 --> 02:07:35,120
I believe so.

1368
02:07:36,020 --> 02:07:36,760
Well, deferred to Melinda.

1369
02:07:37,300 --> 02:07:39,420
Yeah, you can set any rate up to the maximum

1370
02:07:39,420 --> 02:07:40,580
that was in the notice.

1371
02:07:40,580 --> 02:07:43,220
and but you can implement it at a lower level.

1372
02:07:43,520 --> 02:07:47,860
So there's flexibility with whatever, but I just wanted to make that clear.

1373
02:07:48,280 --> 02:07:48,380
Yes.

1374
02:07:48,540 --> 02:07:51,800
Okay. This would be a good time for a motion from someone.

1375
02:07:52,280 --> 02:07:57,080
I'll make, oh, well, create a motion now a second and a few guys.

1376
02:07:57,380 --> 02:07:59,480
My motion was adopted.

1377
02:07:59,900 --> 02:08:04,300
The scenario two was actually, alternative one, adoption scenario one rates,

1378
02:08:04,420 --> 02:08:06,600
implement rates proposed in section two.

1379
02:08:07,140 --> 02:08:08,180
Okay. We have a motion.

1380
02:08:08,560 --> 02:08:08,860
Second.

1381
02:08:08,860 --> 02:08:15,920
by smear seconds to roll call. Sorry just to clarify it's in the staff report it's

1382
02:08:15,920 --> 02:08:22,160
item two option number two. Yes so to be clear it's a second preference alternative

1383
02:08:22,160 --> 02:08:28,140
so you're adopting scenario one but you're implementing an alternative rate. I just want

1384
02:08:28,140 --> 02:08:32,800
to verbally communicate so everybody knows what they're right. There's a lot of twos and

1385
02:08:32,800 --> 02:08:35,380
threes and threes. Okay so we have a motion second roll call.

1386
02:08:36,360 --> 02:08:37,620
Councilmember Stockton?

1387
02:08:38,020 --> 02:08:38,200
No.

1388
02:08:38,720 --> 02:08:39,920
Councilmember Richie?

1389
02:08:40,200 --> 02:08:40,380
Yes.

1390
02:08:40,980 --> 02:08:42,060
Councilmember Silva?

1391
02:08:43,000 --> 02:08:43,240
Yes.

1392
02:08:44,000 --> 02:08:45,180
Councilmember Fremont?

1393
02:08:45,700 --> 02:08:46,000
No.

1394
02:08:46,720 --> 02:08:47,760
Councilmember Wiley?

1395
02:08:48,240 --> 02:08:48,480
Yes.

1396
02:08:49,360 --> 02:08:50,260
Vice Mayor Chapman?

1397
02:08:50,720 --> 02:08:50,920
Yes.

1398
02:08:51,620 --> 02:08:52,080
Mayor Crowley?

1399
02:08:52,440 --> 02:08:52,700
No.

1400
02:08:55,030 --> 02:08:58,380
It passes with the, with the,

1401
02:08:58,740 --> 02:09:04,540
the serial one with the reduction of the rates to the preference alternative number two.

1402
02:09:04,540 --> 02:09:14,780
So, thank you for that, and hopefully the public will understand that this could be adjusted in any time in the future, depending on public discounts, besides.

1403
02:09:15,860 --> 02:09:17,820
I have one more question.

1404
02:09:18,600 --> 02:09:23,860
So, our school district, one of our school districts had comments about this.

1405
02:09:24,080 --> 02:09:32,060
I request with council support that our staff work with the school district, they have different funding mechanisms to get their budgetary needs every year.

1406
02:09:32,060 --> 02:09:34,820
I have a meeting with Mr. Santa Patron in this couple of weeks.

1407
02:09:35,240 --> 02:09:39,240
We would have done it sooner, but with graduation vacations, it couldn't happen before this meeting.

1408
02:09:39,980 --> 02:09:41,040
But we've already been in communication.

1409
02:09:41,440 --> 02:09:41,700
Thank you.

1410
02:09:42,000 --> 02:09:42,500
That's a good point.

1411
02:09:44,650 --> 02:09:45,790
All right, thank you very much.

1412
02:09:46,210 --> 02:09:47,950
And we'll move on to business.

1413
02:09:48,890 --> 02:09:50,370
Thank you, Mayor and members of the Council.

1414
02:09:50,550 --> 02:09:55,130
This first business item is a discussion of general plan policies in city park standards,

1415
02:09:55,610 --> 02:10:00,810
alignment of carol way and inclusionary housing in the east of leisure town growth area specific plan.

1416
02:10:00,810 --> 02:10:11,890
We have your community development director, Aaron Morris, Albert Enoll, senior planner and team to provide a presentation.

1417
02:10:33,820 --> 02:10:34,500
Good to go.

1418
02:10:40,500 --> 02:10:41,360
Good evening, Mayor.

1419
02:10:41,960 --> 02:10:42,720
I'm Richard the City Council.

1420
02:10:44,040 --> 02:10:52,180
Albert Enoll here to present item before the City Council related to the use of leisure town specific plan and general plan policies and city standards.

1421
02:10:52,180 --> 02:10:56,580
here to assist with this presentation we have the city's consultant with M.A.S.

1422
02:10:56,740 --> 02:11:00,900
Kathy P's, as well as our Director of Community Development, Aaron Morris.

1423
02:11:04,140 --> 02:11:08,220
We felt that it was appropriate to provide some background for the discussion of this item.

1424
02:11:09,560 --> 02:11:12,260
We're talking about the East of Leisure Town specific plan.

1425
02:11:12,740 --> 02:11:16,680
And this is a specific plan within the East of Leisure Town growth area.

1426
02:11:17,540 --> 02:11:20,860
There's 1,317 acres within this growth area.

1427
02:11:21,540 --> 02:11:25,920
669 have already been approved and annexed into the city limits.

1428
02:11:26,280 --> 02:11:30,620
There are 648 acres that are still located in Solano County, unincorporated.

1429
02:11:32,060 --> 02:11:35,660
And so it's the subject is about those 648 acres.

1430
02:11:36,420 --> 02:11:42,780
In April and October of 2023, the city received requests from three different landowners to

1431
02:11:42,780 --> 02:11:43,820
develop those properties.

1432
02:11:45,300 --> 02:11:48,240
With approximately 5,000 units, there were on three sites.

1433
02:11:48,240 --> 02:11:52,240
the Racins, Chen, Donaldson, and AMP children investments properties.

1434
02:11:53,320 --> 02:11:58,780
Upon receiving these requests, we evaluated them and then conducted three public outreach meetings,

1435
02:11:59,620 --> 02:12:03,340
one with Maplewood, one with Lockpad and then the general public at large.

1436
02:12:04,640 --> 02:12:09,220
What we had heard from those community meetings were related to traffic impacts,

1437
02:12:09,820 --> 02:12:13,420
affordable housing, community amenities and a variety of different other topics.

1438
02:12:14,240 --> 02:12:17,860
And those topics were used to craft what are called guiding principles.

1439
02:12:18,400 --> 02:12:22,080
And those guiding principles were presented to City Council on April of 2024.

1440
02:12:23,540 --> 02:12:32,040
And the guiding principles are intended to grab a snapshot of what City Council wanted to see with the development of a specific plan in this growth area.

1441
02:12:33,040 --> 02:12:38,740
And so that's what was adopted and that's what staff has been using to move forward with this project.

1442
02:12:39,220 --> 02:12:50,280
So following City Council's direction in April 2024, we began building a team consisting of consultants to develop the very first step, which is the crafting of a draft land use plan.

1443
02:12:50,680 --> 02:12:53,200
That would show how land uses would work in this growth area.

1444
02:12:55,350 --> 02:13:05,650
Upon drafting that land use plan, we soon found out that there was a difference of design between the developer team.

1445
02:13:05,650 --> 02:13:09,990
And so what we found out when working on this draft land use plan was that the developer

1446
02:13:09,990 --> 02:13:14,890
team was looking to propose some development concepts that are there were inconsistent

1447
02:13:14,890 --> 02:13:19,510
with city policies and development standards, but we also found that there were inconsistent

1448
02:13:19,510 --> 02:13:22,410
with city council's original direction found in the guiding principles.

1449
02:13:23,450 --> 02:13:27,450
So this is not something that staff can move forward with without city council direction.

1450
02:13:27,710 --> 02:13:31,810
So that's why we're here tonight is to obtain city hopefully obtain city council direction

1451
02:13:31,810 --> 02:13:33,630
on three particular topical areas.

1452
02:13:35,290 --> 02:13:37,890
Of course, I'd like to provide mapping graphics

1453
02:13:37,890 --> 02:13:39,010
that show the context.

1454
02:13:39,710 --> 02:13:41,390
These are two growth areas that were identified

1455
02:13:41,390 --> 02:13:42,810
in the 2015 general plan.

1456
02:13:43,610 --> 02:13:45,810
So we're looking at the east of Lijitong growth area.

1457
02:13:47,310 --> 02:13:49,950
And these are the three property owners or properties

1458
02:13:49,950 --> 02:13:51,610
that are located in that growth area.

1459
02:13:51,910 --> 02:13:54,390
And you'll see a large chunk in the center of that

1460
02:13:54,970 --> 02:13:57,910
is that 600-plus acres that have already been annexed

1461
02:13:57,910 --> 02:13:58,670
into our city limits.

1462
02:14:02,070 --> 02:14:03,510
On to the policy issue.

1463
02:14:03,510 --> 02:14:06,310
So, there's three policy issues that we're going to be covering tonight.

1464
02:14:07,150 --> 02:14:10,190
The first is related to neighborhood parks and community parks.

1465
02:14:11,790 --> 02:14:16,430
And our general plan, as well as our park and recreation master plan, we have policies

1466
02:14:16,430 --> 02:14:21,330
that require minimal sizes for neighborhood parks and community parks to be able to meet

1467
02:14:21,330 --> 02:14:24,550
specific side standards for amenities and to serve the community.

1468
02:14:25,330 --> 02:14:29,810
For neighborhood parks, it's a minimum size of six acres for community parks, it's a minimum

1469
02:14:29,810 --> 02:14:34,710
minimum size of 10 acres and the applicants are proposing smaller parks, smaller

1470
02:14:34,710 --> 02:14:38,690
neighborhood parks around 2 to 4 acres and smaller community parks around 6 acres.

1471
02:14:39,810 --> 02:14:46,090
There's an affordability mixture of housing types that was required to provide or create

1472
02:14:46,090 --> 02:14:52,830
something for this larger development and staff is going to be out talking about general

1473
02:14:52,830 --> 02:14:57,010
requirement of 10% of the units to be identified for affordability.

1474
02:14:57,010 --> 02:14:59,850
Applicants are proposing.

1475
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:06,000
To address this particular guiding principle by only dedicating a six-acre piece of land. And

1476
02:15:06,000 --> 02:15:11,520
the third topic that we'll cover is the alignment of Curlway. We do have some policies,

1477
02:15:11,780 --> 02:15:17,680
some reference documents that identify potential alignments, and we have some ideas on how

1478
02:15:17,680 --> 02:15:22,400
to reserve areas to the north. And this is different than what the applicants are proposing

1479
02:15:22,400 --> 02:15:26,080
to do for their proposed alignments. And we'll cover that with some graphics also.

1480
02:15:26,080 --> 02:15:37,260
So on to the first topic, parks is a pretty big topic for the city and for staff, parks fulfill a variety of different functions.

1481
02:15:37,780 --> 02:15:44,540
They provide breathing space in neighborhoods, so it doesn't appear so close together, they promote healthy lifestyles.

1482
02:15:44,980 --> 02:15:47,840
There are also places to play explore and relax.

1483
02:15:48,920 --> 02:15:55,740
For this reason, there are specific policies that guide how parks need to be developed for new development within the city.

1484
02:15:55,740 --> 02:16:02,640
It's identified in the city's constitution which is the general plan as well as the 2021 parks and recreation master plan

1485
02:16:02,640 --> 02:16:04,520
That was adopted by city council

1486
02:16:05,360 --> 02:16:11,860
And those both of those are really the larger documents that provide policies and standards for how to address adequate parks

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02:16:12,620 --> 02:16:16,980
Because of this history and these policies that are in this existing document

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02:16:16,980 --> 02:16:21,420
That was the reason for one of the guiding principles, which is one C that's on the screen in front of you

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02:16:21,420 --> 02:16:38,220
And what that says is that when we're working on developing a specific plan, we need to include interconnected public open space components and or conservation plans and adequate parks and recreation facilities to turn key parks shall be provided.

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02:16:39,620 --> 02:16:45,040
We underlined adequate parks and recreation facilities because that's really what this boils down to.

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02:16:45,040 --> 02:16:53,500
So the city staff references our general plan and our parks and recreation master plan

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02:16:53,500 --> 02:16:56,680
as to what constitutes adequate parks.

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02:16:57,780 --> 02:17:03,560
And so on the screen in front of you is an indication of what are, quote, the minimum

1494
02:17:03,560 --> 02:17:08,700
standards that are expected to be provided to the city when we're looking at new development

1495
02:17:08,700 --> 02:17:09,560
coming into the city.

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02:17:09,700 --> 02:17:13,460
These are the minimum standards that are necessary in order to be able to serve future residents.

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02:17:14,000 --> 02:17:18,580
your neighborhood parks are intended to be a minimum of six acres.

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02:17:18,860 --> 02:17:24,620
They can be up as large as nine acres. Your community parks minimum of 10, but they can be as large as 40 acres.

1499
02:17:25,360 --> 02:17:30,700
And the reason why they have those sizes is because there's a variety of different amenities that are necessary to be programmed within those parks.

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02:17:30,980 --> 02:17:36,200
Again, these are minimum designs that are necessary to be able to serve future residents.

1501
02:17:37,340 --> 02:17:41,680
I won't go into every single detail in there. Our staff report also covers all of these specific details.

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02:17:46,400 --> 02:18:00,620
So what we found while working with the developer team on the discussion about parks is that developer team wanted to go a little bit of a different route where they wanted to provide smaller parks around two to four acres for neighborhood parks and six acre community parks.

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02:18:01,060 --> 02:18:08,000
What we found as a result of this request was that it was going to be meeting a amendment to our general plan as well as an amendment to the parks and recreation plan.

1504
02:18:08,000 --> 02:18:24,820
And the reason behind this is because we have findings within our municipal code that say projects have to be consistent with our general plan and to move forward with a deviation without amending our general plan would eventually move a project forward that would be inconsistent with our general plan, which we can't make that finding for.

1505
02:18:26,480 --> 02:18:30,540
The developer's justification is identified as an attachment within the staff report.

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02:18:30,540 --> 02:18:48,200
They're also here tonight that can help provide some additional context for other reasons for it, but we broke it down in a more simplified manner, is that what they're finding is their requirement for trying to address missing middle is resulting in a higher density type of layout within the eastern area.

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02:18:48,760 --> 02:18:57,080
And what they're finding is that because of that higher density layout, there's a need for more smaller parks that are dispersed throughout the area to serve the larger population.

1508
02:18:57,080 --> 02:19:01,160
and what they're hoping will provide convenient access to open space and

1509
02:19:01,160 --> 02:19:06,260
recreational amenities throughout the development. These next illustrations are

1510
02:19:06,260 --> 02:19:10,800
just illustrations. They're not in any means intended to convey this is the

1511
02:19:10,800 --> 02:19:14,160
permanent layout of how these are going to go but we felt that it was necessary to

1512
02:19:14,160 --> 02:19:19,400
show a difference between park sizes only. So on the left side option A shows

1513
02:19:19,400 --> 02:19:23,660
development layout of the green spaces which are those parks that provide

1514
02:19:23,660 --> 02:19:28,900
minimum size. This is the Donaldson property. So there's two square parks that are six acre

1515
02:19:28,900 --> 02:19:33,260
in size and then there's a rectangular-looking park on option A that shows 10 acre parks.

1516
02:19:34,160 --> 02:19:36,940
And then option B shows a different layout where they're smaller parks.

1517
02:19:38,820 --> 02:19:44,860
Same goes for the Racins 10 property. The left exhibit shows parks that meet the minimum size

1518
02:19:44,860 --> 02:19:50,520
standards and the right side. It's hard to tell on this one but there are smaller parks and the

1519
02:19:50,520 --> 02:19:59,580
The roundabout of the option B in the very center, there's a parker butting that, as well as a smaller park up against the creek and then a portion that's along the eastern edge of the development.

1520
02:20:02,130 --> 02:20:13,650
And then for the A&P children, investments property, this is again another illustration that shows a park that meets the minimum sizes for all the programming that we're hoping for, and then smaller parks that would be smaller.

1521
02:20:13,650 --> 02:20:18,090
Again, indicating that these aren't, there's still a lot of work to do on a draft lane.

1522
02:20:18,250 --> 02:20:23,350
These plan, you may see completely different layouts later on based off of what City Council

1523
02:20:23,350 --> 02:20:27,050
provides for direction, but we felt that it was at least helpful to provide some

1524
02:20:27,050 --> 02:20:29,570
illustration between larger parks, which is smaller parks.

1525
02:20:32,450 --> 02:20:37,170
All right, so staff's recommendation on this one is just outright compliance with our existing

1526
02:20:37,170 --> 02:20:37,690
policies.

1527
02:20:38,290 --> 02:20:39,390
And there's a number of reasons why.

1528
02:20:40,250 --> 02:20:44,750
We have found that smaller parks just increases maintenance, increases a cost to the city that

1529
02:20:44,750 --> 02:20:49,950
that we weren't aware of, where we're having to send staff to multiple different parks,

1530
02:20:50,210 --> 02:20:55,710
smaller parks to offload, to spend more time, and really the savings comes and if you're

1531
02:20:55,710 --> 02:20:59,770
able to send staff to one particular park that's a larger size, they can spend all their

1532
02:20:59,770 --> 02:21:04,070
time all there instead of having to offload and load up or at different areas.

1533
02:21:05,330 --> 02:21:08,490
But the other thing that we found out is that when you have smaller parks, they preclude

1534
02:21:08,490 --> 02:21:12,090
a variety of different amenities that are necessary for those large parks, and that was

1535
02:21:12,090 --> 02:21:13,410
identified on the previous slides.

1536
02:21:16,070 --> 02:21:20,230
We've got some experiences from other projects, so part

1537
02:21:20,230 --> 02:21:23,770
of the reason is we've got these standards identified with an internal plan in parks

1538
02:21:23,770 --> 02:21:28,050
and recreation master plan, but we've also learned from previous experiences, and so

1539
02:21:28,690 --> 02:21:34,030
Salton is a pretty good example where we're not afraid of the idea of developer-built parks.

1540
02:21:34,310 --> 02:21:38,890
Magnolia Park is a park that was built by a developer, and they received park credits

1541
02:21:38,890 --> 02:21:42,970
It was a fantastic park and I think it's almost under construction out there right now.

1542
02:21:43,970 --> 02:21:48,350
So that was an example of how a developer was able to meet the requirements within the

1543
02:21:48,350 --> 02:21:48,810
general plan.

1544
02:21:49,190 --> 02:21:53,050
But there's a particular item out there that you'll see is a southbound park, it's a very

1545
02:21:53,050 --> 02:21:53,610
small park.

1546
02:21:54,430 --> 02:21:58,530
And the nice thing about that is that it's a demonstration of how you can have a project

1547
02:21:58,530 --> 02:22:03,290
that meets our minimum standards within our general plan but then goes above and beyond and

1548
02:22:03,290 --> 02:22:04,550
it provides a public benefit.

1549
02:22:04,550 --> 02:22:14,510
And that's what's out there in the South Town development is there is a small pocket park where they were able to say we're going to meet our standards and Magnolia Park, but we're going to go above and beyond and provide more.

1550
02:22:15,610 --> 02:22:25,010
And so in that particular case we found that no fee credit was given for that smaller park because it was the developer's a testament, a testament to provide additional benefits.

1551
02:22:26,350 --> 02:22:32,390
A different lesson that we learned in Venomillo's park was that there's a I think a seven-acre

1552
02:22:32,390 --> 02:22:36,650
park that was originally allocated for in that specific plan and the lesson learned

1553
02:22:36,650 --> 02:22:40,210
in that particular situation was that the city probably could have been done a better

1554
02:22:40,210 --> 02:22:46,010
job with negotiating with an development agreement for the developer to build the park and

1555
02:22:46,010 --> 02:22:50,730
that particular development we didn't negotiate that instead we offered opportunities of you

1556
02:22:50,730 --> 02:22:53,210
can either build it or you can pay the park development impact fee.

1557
02:22:53,730 --> 02:23:23,190
And so, that park is not built as a result of that, but some of the other things that we realized from that is that park, when it was dedicated to the city, was received in substandard design, meaning it wasn't graded flat, it wasn't prepared for the city by the time we received it, and so what we're learning here is that not only should we be looking for parks that meet our minimum standards, but we should all should be negotiating for parks that are developer built, but yeah, that are developer built, and that they're built

1558
02:23:23,190 --> 02:23:39,250
early in in the process and that was one of the things that we were able to put into practice for North Village where that particular development, the City Negotiate and got the park to be built at least at starting construction at 50% and the developer is funding all the construction for all that.

1559
02:23:39,990 --> 02:23:43,810
So we're not afraid of the idea of developers building parks.

1560
02:23:44,690 --> 02:23:49,270
One last example I wanted to share with the council was in Roberts Ranch and their

1561
02:23:49,270 --> 02:23:49,870
stroller park.

1562
02:23:50,190 --> 02:23:54,690
So, going back to the idea of how do you measure a project's benefit?

1563
02:23:55,170 --> 02:23:59,530
So compliance with our minimum standards that are identified in our general plan and

1564
02:23:59,530 --> 02:24:01,050
our parks and recreation master plan.

1565
02:24:01,930 --> 02:24:02,770
That's not a benefit.

1566
02:24:02,890 --> 02:24:06,910
That's the minimum standards that are going to be receiving new land within our city.

1567
02:24:07,430 --> 02:24:10,590
We have to have our minimum standard to meet the community's needs.

1568
02:24:11,670 --> 02:24:13,470
How do we measure the public benefit?

1569
02:24:13,750 --> 02:24:14,770
Robert's branch did that.

1570
02:24:15,050 --> 02:24:20,170
So, and Robert's branch they provided a park to meet the compliance with the general

1571
02:24:20,170 --> 02:24:23,730
plan along the eastern edge of the development that's right along the road tracks and those

1572
02:24:23,730 --> 02:24:26,910
are currently being built by the developer now, it's a developer funded park.

1573
02:24:28,270 --> 02:24:33,390
But the developer went one step beyond that and what they did was they identified the installation

1574
02:24:33,390 --> 02:24:35,850
of five stroller parks throughout that development.

1575
02:24:35,850 --> 02:24:41,430
That was an example of them going above and beyond and providing a public benefit for the city.

1576
02:24:42,070 --> 02:24:44,110
No fee credits were given for those smaller parks.

1577
02:24:44,110 --> 02:24:49,030
This was just something that the developer was able to do when it was able to provide that connectivity.

1578
02:24:49,870 --> 02:24:53,270
And so the stories that we're trying to paint with this particular picture is that,

1579
02:24:53,590 --> 02:24:58,650
staff's observation is that if we require minimum compliance with our existing standards,

1580
02:24:59,210 --> 02:25:04,970
and we get the base design figured out, then we will know what the measurable

1581
02:25:04,970 --> 02:25:07,110
will benefit will be beyond that.

1582
02:25:07,250 --> 02:25:11,310
What else is the developer able to provide for the community that is a benefit to the community?

1583
02:25:12,070 --> 02:25:13,870
That concludes my portion of the presentation.

1584
02:25:13,870 --> 02:25:17,850
Here to cover the affordability component will be our director Aaron Morse.

1585
02:25:19,130 --> 02:25:20,150
Thank you, Mayor Carly.

1586
02:25:20,290 --> 02:25:21,470
Members of Council, thank you, Albert.

1587
02:25:22,590 --> 02:25:28,490
So going back to when the guiding principles were adopted by the council in April of 2024,

1588
02:25:28,490 --> 02:25:32,010
or guiding principle for a identified the need

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02:25:32,010 --> 02:25:34,130
to establish an inclusionary housing goal

1590
02:25:34,130 --> 02:25:36,610
to ensure integrated mixed income neighborhoods.

1591
02:25:37,250 --> 02:25:39,290
So I do wanna be very clear with the council and the public.

1592
02:25:39,910 --> 02:25:41,670
There was no specifics given.

1593
02:25:41,890 --> 02:25:46,170
It wasn't 10% or 5% or how specifically

1594
02:25:46,170 --> 02:25:47,750
the inclusionary housing would be provided.

1595
02:25:48,170 --> 02:25:50,090
But the idea was that working with staff

1596
02:25:50,090 --> 02:25:52,790
that a developer would establish a goal or a strategy

1597
02:25:52,790 --> 02:25:55,510
with the desired outcome of ensuring

1598
02:25:55,510 --> 02:25:57,730
integrated mix income neighborhoods.

1599
02:25:58,430 --> 02:26:03,390
So as we touched on earlier this year with the inclusionary housing study session, there

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02:26:03,390 --> 02:26:08,430
are a variety of ways for private developers to produce affordable housing as part of

1601
02:26:08,430 --> 02:26:13,450
a new development in some cities and in some projects paying in Luffy.

1602
02:26:14,130 --> 02:26:18,070
That does not guarantee those homes are built in that neighborhood or that they're built

1603
02:26:18,070 --> 02:26:22,050
anytime soon but is a way to contribute toward affordable housing.

1604
02:26:22,050 --> 02:26:27,630
It does not necessarily contribute toward this development having a mixed income neighborhood.

1605
02:26:28,030 --> 02:26:32,930
Another option that is often used is a developer will dedicate bear land to a city.

1606
02:26:33,450 --> 02:26:39,350
And that's something that there is actually bear land all over the state of California that has been dedicated to cities for affordable housing.

1607
02:26:39,730 --> 02:26:43,750
And then the real challenge is how do you turn that bear land into actual homes?

1608
02:26:44,310 --> 02:26:45,910
And so that's a second option.

1609
02:26:45,910 --> 02:26:50,910
A third option that some developers employ is to construct off-site affordable housing.

1610
02:26:51,130 --> 02:26:54,490
That was not really germane to the goal for this particular project.

1611
02:26:55,650 --> 02:27:00,710
And then the reason why staff is recommending that the strategy that we all develop together

1612
02:27:00,710 --> 02:27:05,490
include on-site affordable housing is because that would be how the mixed income integrated

1613
02:27:05,490 --> 02:27:06,850
neighborhoods could be achieved.

1614
02:27:06,990 --> 02:27:07,930
So we're going to go to the next slide.

1615
02:27:08,630 --> 02:27:12,450
The developers, this is the reason why this is a council is that we've had very productive

1616
02:27:12,450 --> 02:27:13,070
discussions.

1617
02:27:13,070 --> 02:27:23,030
We've had very hard to heart discussions, but ultimately, at this point, one of the three developers is proposing something that could potentially help for affordable housing.

1618
02:27:23,170 --> 02:27:30,250
And that is the Donaldson-Ramos site, they're proposing to dedicate a six acre site that could be developed into deed restricted affordable housing.

1619
02:27:30,830 --> 02:27:34,990
The other two developers are not proposing anything related to the goal.

1620
02:27:35,830 --> 02:27:49,790
We don't believe that right now these proposals meet the guiding principle, it's hard to put the burden of the affordable housing on just one of the three and again it's not clear how we have mixed income neighborhoods if the housing is on one site in one part of the development.

1621
02:27:50,750 --> 02:28:00,510
The other concern that staff has about the dedication of bear land absent other other contributions is that land does not guarantee construction of housing within a reasonable time.

1622
02:28:00,510 --> 02:28:13,870
And the third final point on this slide that waiting to build affordable units can create community division and neighborhood opposition, I think this council has lived through that in multiple projects, not just affordable housing, but also market rate housing like the South Town apartments.

1623
02:28:14,650 --> 02:28:19,110
It's very hard for and even the Victory Gardens project that the Planning Commission approved on appeal.

1624
02:28:19,530 --> 02:28:26,150
It's very hard for neighbors to understand that affordable housing was planned all along when it takes 20 or 30 years for that housing to be produced.

1625
02:28:26,150 --> 02:28:39,690
So this is why staff doesn't feel at this time what the one of the three developers is proposing is really aligned with the guiding principle, and that's why we wanted to bring this to the council for some consideration and I'll wrap up with my final slide, my two more slides.

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02:28:40,490 --> 02:28:52,670
Part of my staff's concern that this project do its part and also achieve these mixed income neighborhoods is that the city's obligations to produce deed restricted affordable housing just increased with every time we go through our housing element.

1627
02:28:53,170 --> 02:28:57,630
And as I alluded to earlier, there's a lot of bear land dedicated for affordable housing.

1628
02:28:57,650 --> 02:29:03,210
In Vacaville, we've had up to three entitled affordable housing projects on bear city land.

1629
02:29:03,630 --> 02:29:06,050
They just cannot be developed because there's no money to develop them.

1630
02:29:06,370 --> 02:29:08,890
It's a very competitive to get funding to build housing right now.

1631
02:29:10,170 --> 02:29:17,150
Staff, in discussion with the developer, it's mostly been what all do you think you can do to help achieve this goal.

1632
02:29:17,150 --> 02:29:26,070
So, we've put out there that if the developer was able to come up with a strategy that could ensure that 10% of the units within the overall development were affordable,

1633
02:29:26,410 --> 02:29:32,010
before it will possibly at different affordability levels, I mean that would certainly ensure mixed income neighborhoods.

1634
02:29:32,570 --> 02:29:34,810
I do just want to be very transparent with the council.

1635
02:29:35,030 --> 02:29:40,570
This 10% is not a magic number, it's not a fixed number, it is to give the council somebody to think about.

1636
02:29:40,570 --> 02:29:47,430
So at present, the Donaldson Ramos property is proposing a six acre site that could generate

1637
02:29:47,430 --> 02:29:51,810
kind of a round number about 150 units in one spot within the development.

1638
02:29:52,670 --> 02:29:59,770
So if the council was good about the 10% or some percentage idea, 10% of the current proposed

1639
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:17,340
Unit count would be 438, and so that could happen in a variety of fashion, whether it's apartment complexes or whether it's single family homes at affordable rates, that's sort of what's on the table here. And the last slide is going to Kathy to talk about the transportation circulation issues.

1640
02:30:20,820 --> 02:30:32,740
Good evening. The next couple of slides, I will be talking about the potential alignments for Carole Way. Carole Way is planned as a two-lane facility that would provide

1641
02:30:32,740 --> 02:30:39,680
in North South connection and provide a reliever to the Leisure Town, Jepsen Parkway.

1642
02:30:40,380 --> 02:30:42,480
That would be a parallel facility.

1643
02:30:43,920 --> 02:30:48,760
So we are looking tonight for Council direction to determine connections on the Northern and

1644
02:30:48,760 --> 02:30:51,760
South Southern areas of the specific plan.

1645
02:30:52,280 --> 02:30:59,720
So the middle area has either been built or is under construction or plan by approved projects

1646
02:30:59,720 --> 02:31:03,400
that Albert had alluded to earlier next slide.

1647
02:31:06,090 --> 02:31:07,870
This gives a little bit of context.

1648
02:31:08,150 --> 02:31:12,910
It shows the overall area and that transportation facilities

1649
02:31:12,910 --> 02:31:17,950
will be needed for the future, including the near-term 2035

1650
02:31:17,950 --> 02:31:19,370
as well as that build out.

1651
02:31:21,900 --> 02:31:30,480
So the first property for Racins-Chen is to incorporate

1652
02:31:32,420 --> 02:31:42,980
There's a proposal, we have two proposals, one that is consistent and one that does not provide a north connection to the Locke pattern community.

1653
02:31:43,980 --> 02:31:47,720
So that's one of the things that we're going to look at next slide.

1654
02:31:48,860 --> 02:31:51,380
So more specifically, this shows the two options.

1655
02:31:52,240 --> 02:31:58,220
Staff recommends option A, as you can see there's a green space that would provide for

1656
02:31:58,220 --> 02:31:59,820
a future connection.

1657
02:32:00,440 --> 02:32:06,840
Now that could be a landscape corridor and there's no guarantee that that would be

1658
02:32:06,840 --> 02:32:07,160
needed.

1659
02:32:07,360 --> 02:32:12,960
There's nothing that would require that to be a connection in the future, but we think it's

1660
02:32:12,960 --> 02:32:18,520
really important not knowing what the plans for the future are is to leave that option in

1661
02:32:18,520 --> 02:32:19,900
case it's needed in the future.

1662
02:32:22,930 --> 02:32:27,210
With the next proposal we have the AMP Children's Investment Property.

1663
02:32:27,950 --> 02:32:29,790
They too have shown us two options.

1664
02:32:30,510 --> 02:32:37,950
One would show an alignment connecting to Leisure Town Road and then the other one would

1665
02:32:37,950 --> 02:32:43,710
end before their parcel and it would just provide a neighborhood access with the loop system.

1666
02:32:44,090 --> 02:32:44,230
Next.

1667
02:32:45,190 --> 02:32:48,490
This is what the two options are as you can see.

1668
02:32:48,490 --> 02:32:53,270
So staff is recommending the option A for a couple of reasons.

1669
02:32:53,870 --> 02:32:57,750
One, it provides a direct route to Leisure Town Road.

1670
02:32:58,010 --> 02:33:00,510
This is consistent with our general plan policies

1671
02:33:00,510 --> 02:33:05,590
that recommend that transportation systems not be circuitous.

1672
02:33:05,890 --> 02:33:10,910
It also would provide a good transit corridor as well.

1673
02:33:10,910 --> 02:33:31,210
And as you can see, option B, it would, Carol way would essentially end right before or after Fry Road, and then there'd be an internal roadway loop, and then eventually neighborhood traffic could get out until easier town road.

1674
02:33:38,120 --> 02:33:44,300
Okay. So here's the game plan after receiving City Council's direction on these three items.

1675
02:33:44,300 --> 02:33:51,560
Our plan is to update the draft plan based off of City Council direction as well as some

1676
02:33:51,560 --> 02:33:57,320
of the concepts that the developer team has it was able to provide to us and possibly return

1677
02:33:57,320 --> 02:33:58,780
to City Council on August.

1678
02:34:01,480 --> 02:34:03,800
Following that direction we would work with community

1679
02:34:03,800 --> 02:34:09,160
members as part of meetings to receive their feedback on the draft plan. We'd also set

1680
02:34:09,160 --> 02:34:14,040
up a send out a notice of preparation that we would be starting the draft

1681
02:34:14,040 --> 02:34:17,660
environmental impact report and looking to receive public comments about what

1682
02:34:17,660 --> 02:34:20,300
things need to be evaluated and incorporated as part of that environmental

1683
02:34:20,300 --> 02:34:24,040
document. And then we would also have some more public hearings on the project

1684
02:34:24,040 --> 02:34:28,940
in the spring and summer of 2026. But this is a crucial step. We do need City Council

1685
02:34:28,940 --> 02:34:32,880
direction on these three topical items before we can move forward with a formal

1686
02:34:32,880 --> 02:34:36,920
draft planning plan that will come before the City Council in August. So we have a

1687
02:34:36,920 --> 02:34:44,700
recommendation for City Council on these particular topical items. Of course, we have

1688
02:34:44,700 --> 02:34:48,760
our traffic engineer team here to talk about any questions that the City Council might

1689
02:34:48,760 --> 02:34:53,840
have regarding circulation. We have the City's park planners that are also here to help

1690
02:34:53,840 --> 02:34:59,760
answer any questions related to those park standards. We also have the developer team, all three

1691
02:34:59,760 --> 02:35:04,080
of those property owners that are here to help answer any questions also present to you.

1692
02:35:04,080 --> 02:35:06,860
to their perspective about these particular topics too.

1693
02:35:08,440 --> 02:35:10,120
Without that concludes our presentation.

1694
02:35:10,640 --> 02:35:11,380
Thank you.

1695
02:35:12,380 --> 02:35:17,880
What I'd like to do also just given the fact that this is a partnership that we've been working with the

1696
02:35:17,880 --> 02:35:25,460
between the city, the development team and council is to hear from the developers who have put a significant amount of time in this.

1697
02:35:25,700 --> 02:35:31,880
Obviously looking at the staff report and their comments, they have a different opinion.

1698
02:35:31,880 --> 02:35:34,320
and would like to give them the opportunity to express their why.

1699
02:35:34,600 --> 02:35:38,080
So any member of the development teams that they want to come forward,

1700
02:35:38,220 --> 02:35:41,640
I'm not going to limit you to three minutes, but within reason,

1701
02:35:41,760 --> 02:35:47,460
if you could share how you can help convey between your comments

1702
02:35:47,460 --> 02:35:50,900
to the staff report, and also what you've heard tonight,

1703
02:35:51,060 --> 02:35:52,560
your reason for being

1704
02:35:54,610 --> 02:35:55,310
polite out there.

1705
02:35:57,030 --> 02:35:57,990
Yeah, yes.

1706
02:35:59,350 --> 02:36:00,790
I'll let you rub yourself up.

1707
02:36:02,910 --> 02:36:07,190
Thank you for the time, good evening, Mayor Carly, Vice Mayor Chapman, and members of the council.

1708
02:36:07,550 --> 02:36:13,090
We appreciate the opportunity to speak tonight and the extra time that you're allowing us to talk.

1709
02:36:14,670 --> 02:36:19,010
Obviously we've been involved in advancing the planning process for East of Leisure Town and

1710
02:36:19,010 --> 02:36:26,030
Donaldson Property in particular, my name's Todd Chambers, the fullest planned community started to induce myself representing the Donaldson property.

1711
02:36:27,210 --> 02:36:42,350
We've been working on things with the city for the past three years, and while the original schedule may be delayed one or two months as noted in the staff report, we feel it's important that the items before you tonight are being presented so you can provide us with meaningful direction.

1712
02:36:44,230 --> 02:36:53,930
Regarding the background of the planning process, I wanted to clarify that the property owners proposing the Easter leisure town specific plan as shown in attachment one includes about 505 acres.

1713
02:36:53,930 --> 02:37:05,490
So the 1300 and 17 referenced east of leisure town is comprehensive with what's existing there today and some other land, but our proposals about 505 between the three property owners.

1714
02:37:06,710 --> 02:37:21,230
The three landowner representatives and city staff been working together comprehensively to plan this area and primarily to address the need of what has been commonly referred to as the missing middle housing.

1715
02:37:21,230 --> 02:37:25,850
housing and other words, more attainable housing is the way we like to look at it.

1716
02:37:26,270 --> 02:37:31,970
As you're aware, the city has a substantial housing inventory and low density and higher

1717
02:37:31,970 --> 02:37:36,710
density housing ranges, but it's lacking opportunities of housing in the more of the medium

1718
02:37:36,710 --> 02:37:39,650
and medium-high density ranges, what we're proposing.

1719
02:37:40,470 --> 02:37:45,790
Our vision and what we believe the city has indicated it desires is to develop the remaining

1720
02:37:45,790 --> 02:37:46,450
lands.

1721
02:37:46,450 --> 02:37:54,730
It's easy to leave your town in a manner that is different from what has been done in large part, traditionally, what has been developed traditionally in the city.

1722
02:37:55,550 --> 02:38:04,470
We want to provide a larger range of housing opportunities for future residents, such as employers of the employees of the biotech industries and Travis Airman.

1723
02:38:05,290 --> 02:38:12,350
In order to accomplish this, we're here to ask your consideration of a few items that will affect how our projects are designed.

1724
02:38:12,350 --> 02:38:19,330
So, touching on the neighborhood and community parks issue, it's appropriate that July is parks and recreation month.

1725
02:38:19,850 --> 02:38:27,990
Coming up, as stated in the staff report, we agree that the availability of plentiful well-designed and well-maintained parks and recreation facilities

1726
02:38:27,990 --> 02:38:32,450
significantly contribute to a higher quality life in Vacaville. There's no question there.

1727
02:38:33,230 --> 02:38:37,910
We're not looking to change the amount of park acres that's required to be dedicated.

1728
02:38:37,910 --> 02:38:44,690
under the city's current general plan policies, or the facilities identified in the parks and recreation master plan.

1729
02:38:45,910 --> 02:38:50,570
Rather, we're asking the city to consider some flexibility in how we allocate the parks and

1730
02:38:50,570 --> 02:38:52,670
related sizes throughout the proposed neighborhoods.

1731
02:38:53,310 --> 02:38:59,070
For example, the overall specific plan area would require approximately 20 acres of community park.

1732
02:38:59,450 --> 02:39:06,190
Given the makeup of properties in the question, perhaps sharing or splitting a 10 acre community park between the Donaldson and

1733
02:39:06,190 --> 02:39:13,030
and ten properties makes sense so that both projects can work towards meeting the requirement in a comprehensively planned manner.

1734
02:39:13,570 --> 02:39:20,390
So in other words, we'd like to have you consider not necessarily one property burdened with all the parkland.

1735
02:39:20,990 --> 02:39:25,370
Allow us to try and share it in that manner on the community park side.

1736
02:39:26,390 --> 02:39:32,950
For the neighborhood parks, we believe that providing some level of parks and neighborhoods there are less than six acres is a benefit to the neighborhood.

1737
02:39:32,950 --> 02:39:46,630
and provides opportunities for residents living in the immediate area to utilize those smaller parks which create cultivates and encourages an environment where neighbors gather and get to know each other versus driving to a larger park that serves a larger area.

1738
02:39:47,190 --> 02:39:51,010
For example, having a three to four acre park in a neighborhood surrounded by homes,

1739
02:39:51,010 --> 02:39:59,170
was fronting the park, encourages residents in that neighborhood to use the park for gatherings, events, or simply leash up your dog and visit with other neighbors and dog owners.

1740
02:40:00,090 --> 02:40:06,290
Another alternative to consider is that the Donaldson property is proposing a substantial community clubhouse amenity for our project.

1741
02:40:06,850 --> 02:40:10,930
The clubhouse pool facilities, recreation components such as playgrounds,

1742
02:40:11,410 --> 02:40:18,550
half basketball courts, pickable tennis courts, and open turf fields, things that are listed in the city's policies for

1743
02:40:18,550 --> 02:40:25,410
what types of amenities and facilities you'd like to see would be maintained by Homer's association.

1744
02:40:26,050 --> 02:40:30,930
So while it's not a public park, it does provide a significant recreational opportunity for

1745
02:40:30,930 --> 02:40:38,230
our residents at no cost to the city, however, we'd like the city to consider credit towards

1746
02:40:38,230 --> 02:40:43,510
park dedication as part of something that would be an amenity to that type of a project.

1747
02:40:47,080 --> 02:41:03,200
Looking at the mixed income and affordable housing issue, we believe the proposed specific plan in missing middle housing options will ensure that a supply of housing of different type size and affordability will be provided in order to meet back of those housing needs for the current and future residents within the community.

1748
02:41:03,900 --> 02:41:15,400
As stated in the staff report, the city has not adopted an inclusionary housing ordinance and the guiding principle states that an inclusionary housing goal should be established as staff indicated for the project.

1749
02:41:15,400 --> 02:41:17,940
and we will ensure integrated mixed income neighborhoods.

1750
02:41:18,660 --> 02:41:24,320
We believe that the city staff is overreaching on this guiding principle by suggesting that 10% of the housing units

1751
02:41:24,320 --> 02:41:28,300
or over 400 units should be provided for different levels of affordable housing.

1752
02:41:28,900 --> 02:41:34,760
Given costs associated with entitlements, infrastructure, the potential for significant development impact,

1753
02:41:34,940 --> 02:41:39,160
the increases that are being considered, services, CFDs, that are burning projects,

1754
02:41:39,160 --> 02:41:52,200
They all add a significant sub and adding in a subsidized housing requirement further moves the proposed projects away from providing lower cost or more attainable market rate housing.

1755
02:41:52,540 --> 02:41:55,180
Those costs are going to be needed to absorb by other residents.

1756
02:41:55,360 --> 02:42:00,480
So if you're putting in affordable housing, the people that are going to be buying the market rate housing are subsidizing the others.

1757
02:42:00,760 --> 02:42:03,720
And it's just going to increase the cost of the market rate housing.

1758
02:42:04,600 --> 02:42:16,740
The Easter Leisure Town-specific plans being disadvantaged as no other master plans in the city, North Village, Lagoon Valley, Brighton Landing, Roberts Ranch, South Town, the Farm at Almo Creek, none of those were required to meet in a affordable housing standard.

1759
02:42:17,220 --> 02:42:23,000
We're open to working towards a solution but not to the level that city staff is outlined.

1760
02:42:24,300 --> 02:42:29,480
I look at affordable housing as an issue, and I think it should be looked at more comprehensively.

1761
02:42:29,560 --> 02:42:35,520
And it's always placed on the home builder or the residential developer to provide affordable housing.

1762
02:42:35,860 --> 02:42:43,420
Perhaps consider businesses that are coming into the city, or employers that are bringing businesses into the city to help provide some affordable housing.

1763
02:42:43,880 --> 02:42:50,020
As people on incomes that would qualify are probably hired by those firms or companies.

1764
02:42:50,020 --> 02:42:52,920
So I appreciate you're the opportunity to speak tonight.

1765
02:42:53,100 --> 02:42:56,420
I know the other property owners want to say a few words, so thank you for your time.

1766
02:42:56,580 --> 02:42:57,980
I'll answer any questions you might have.

1767
02:42:58,260 --> 02:42:58,680
Thank you.

1768
02:42:58,800 --> 02:42:59,460
I might call you back.

1769
02:43:08,380 --> 02:43:08,760
Right.

1770
02:43:10,340 --> 02:43:13,380
It takes a bit for me to get there, but be careful.

1771
02:43:15,200 --> 02:43:16,260
I'm always careful.

1772
02:43:17,540 --> 02:43:24,200
Mr. Mayor, Vice Mayor and council members, it's my pleasure to be in front of you.

1773
02:43:24,200 --> 02:43:31,880
It's been a while, but Todd and I are probably going to overlap on some things, but I'm

1774
02:43:31,880 --> 02:43:33,080
going to take a different approach.

1775
02:43:34,680 --> 02:43:41,180
And that is, I'm going to start out with the background and about 2011.

1776
02:43:42,360 --> 02:43:48,840
This whole project was all laid out and was pretty much all approved and was set aside

1777
02:43:48,840 --> 02:43:49,740
as urban reserve.

1778
02:43:51,100 --> 02:44:03,000
Since that time, it was recommended by staff that all that information be thrown out and we started a new process.

1779
02:44:05,640 --> 02:44:09,700
The process has burdened some, extremely burdensome.

1780
02:44:16,230 --> 02:44:20,410
We're one specific plan. We've been asked to do as one specific plan of three properties.

1781
02:44:21,310 --> 02:44:24,750
We all three agree and we think it's benefit to the city.

1782
02:44:24,750 --> 02:44:30,530
But at the same time, whenever it comes down to doing parks and such as this, they want

1783
02:44:30,530 --> 02:44:32,010
to look at us as individuals.

1784
02:44:34,610 --> 02:44:40,910
Yes, Donaldson and Racons want to share a park.

1785
02:44:40,910 --> 02:44:41,990
We want to do things.

1786
02:44:41,990 --> 02:44:44,530
There's reasons for us wanting to do it.

1787
02:44:45,330 --> 02:44:51,770
Now we're not just trying to be cheap, get away and not building something.

1788
02:44:51,770 --> 02:44:59,950
The goal is, and this is a question I give to you because I feel that we're doing the fight for the...

1789
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:00,480
the city.

1790
02:45:02,770 --> 02:45:31,150
The goal is, I understand it, is to build workforce housing. You can call it middle, whatever, whatever you want to call it. I call it workforce housing. You want to build it for people that are coming in. But yet, at the same time, you keep throwing burdens at us because there's two things. If you want your workforce housing, then we've got to talk about and do something regarding the

1791
02:45:31,150 --> 02:45:43,020
the cost, the fees, the roadway of Carol going into lock padden and leaving land set aside

1792
02:45:43,020 --> 02:45:45,000
that we don't know if it's ever going to go there.

1793
02:45:45,740 --> 02:45:56,080
All these are all cost and they're driving everything up to where your housing implementation

1794
02:45:56,080 --> 02:46:02,240
that you have requested, that we have all are all in favor of, we're trying to do, we're

1795
02:46:02,240 --> 02:46:10,020
We're trying to build this for you, we've all laid it out, but it's becoming rapidly

1796
02:46:10,500 --> 02:46:11,760
unattainable, rapidly.

1797
02:46:13,780 --> 02:46:17,580
Fees, I'm not going to go into them right now unless you ask me to go into them.

1798
02:46:18,680 --> 02:46:25,440
But fees right now are, you know, you're looking at this all of a sudden coming up with 100-200

1799
02:46:25,440 --> 02:46:26,240
percent fees.

1800
02:46:26,640 --> 02:46:27,260
They don't work.

1801
02:46:27,600 --> 02:46:28,880
You've all been involved in that.

1802
02:46:29,020 --> 02:46:31,040
I didn't get into that in the next session.

1803
02:46:31,040 --> 02:46:39,500
But parks were asking for it to be smaller, not smaller, but more usable.

1804
02:46:39,880 --> 02:46:40,920
We want to do theme parks.

1805
02:46:41,120 --> 02:46:48,860
We want to do things that work for the development and yet provide the city, but, you know,

1806
02:46:50,620 --> 02:46:52,760
and we're more than willing to build them.

1807
02:46:53,560 --> 02:46:57,480
I was more than willing to build the vand in park.

1808
02:46:58,360 --> 02:46:59,760
The plans never got done.

1809
02:47:00,840 --> 02:47:02,500
We were never going to get reimbursed.

1810
02:47:02,500 --> 02:47:10,760
full amount. It never got built, it's not built today, fees have been collected, still

1811
02:47:10,760 --> 02:47:18,300
not built. So that's a problem. We're willing to build parks because they help us sell

1812
02:47:18,300 --> 02:47:28,080
our product. And we're all very much in favor of parks, we always have been. But sometimes

1813
02:47:28,080 --> 02:47:32,640
times we ask the city to look at it, not everything is programmable,

1814
02:47:33,220 --> 02:47:36,640
meaning for baseball, soccer to make money.

1815
02:47:37,360 --> 02:47:42,280
Right now, we're building more homes and more of us gray-haired folks are moving into your town.

1816
02:47:43,160 --> 02:47:45,280
And we're not bringing kids with us.

1817
02:47:45,440 --> 02:47:48,380
The schools and the kids' count is diminishing.

1818
02:47:50,560 --> 02:47:55,900
Some people want smaller theme parks, which would be pickleball.

1819
02:47:56,880 --> 02:48:01,820
I only thought for the first time, looks fun, I need to try it.

1820
02:48:02,340 --> 02:48:13,320
But the bottom line is, you build a programmable park which is designed for soccer and baseball

1821
02:48:13,320 --> 02:48:19,840
so that the Parks Department can make money running out the fields and doing all this.

1822
02:48:20,500 --> 02:48:22,140
We're in a different world today.

1823
02:48:22,740 --> 02:48:26,460
And so we're trying to build to what the market is.

1824
02:48:26,640 --> 02:48:27,920
We know what the market is.

1825
02:48:27,920 --> 02:48:32,780
We spend thousands of dollars to find out what the market is and who we're trying to build to.

1826
02:48:33,800 --> 02:48:41,520
And right now, we would like to build our product to what you want.

1827
02:48:42,400 --> 02:48:48,660
But it looks like we're being pushed into which I'm going to eventually get to.

1828
02:48:48,660 --> 02:48:57,300
but I'll get to it now, to change in our program, and instead of building this workforce housing.

1829
02:48:58,900 --> 02:49:03,320
I think that we're going to be maybe looking at you and saying, all right, if you want the fees,

1830
02:49:03,520 --> 02:49:08,960
if you want the park, if you want inclusionary housing, if you want, and you want, you want,

1831
02:49:08,960 --> 02:49:16,200
you want, you want, fight. Let us build our standard 6, 8, 10,000 square foot

1832
02:49:16,200 --> 02:49:23,340
lots and sell seven eight nine hundred thousand dollar homes and then we can afford and people that are buying those going to

1833
02:49:23,340 --> 02:49:27,980
forward your fees. And you won't have to worry about your schools because they're not going to bring kids because they're

1834
02:49:27,980 --> 02:49:36,360
going to be older folks. That is not what I understood this city wanted. I've been building and working here and made a good

1835
02:49:36,360 --> 02:49:43,520
living out of your city and I love it dearly and I've really enjoyed working here. But to me is starting to get out of

1836
02:49:43,520 --> 02:49:49,040
control, and we do not have a clear guidance on what you really want. And the

1837
02:49:49,040 --> 02:49:58,490
guidance is set up by what staff is telling and working with us with. We've

1838
02:49:58,490 --> 02:50:02,170
been having meetings for two months for Cran out loud and they ask us to give

1839
02:50:02,170 --> 02:50:09,310
our input. We give our input. We don't get any answers back. We've talked about

1840
02:50:09,310 --> 02:50:12,650
fees. We brought up a lot of fees that are in there.

1841
02:50:12,650 --> 02:50:22,350
Hey Rich, I'm going to ask you to come back around, we're not going to talk about the fees right now, but if you could get to any other issue on the property, because I know there's Carole Way or

1842
02:50:22,350 --> 02:50:37,630
Carole Way, alright, I'll just, I'll go down and Carole Way. I don't know why we're laying out and being forced to lay out a project goes into lockpad and that lockpad and people do not care for, and our land is going to set aside.

1843
02:50:37,630 --> 02:50:45,790
And as we set aside land as fewer houses, fewer houses means that we're going to have to charge more for other houses, okay?

1844
02:50:46,450 --> 02:50:48,450
So that's number one.

1845
02:50:49,150 --> 02:50:51,050
Parks, I pretty well mentioned that.

1846
02:50:51,330 --> 02:50:59,290
We want to work together with our parks to make it function and make it work.

1847
02:50:59,490 --> 02:51:02,050
But we want to integrate it with new ideas.

1848
02:51:02,050 --> 02:51:11,010
and we would like to look at it instead of the old ideas of six acre parks that are programmable

1849
02:51:11,010 --> 02:51:16,350
parks. We'd rather look at the smaller ones that make sense for the development that people

1850
02:51:16,350 --> 02:51:23,810
were building to. Inclusionary housing. Inclusionary housing doesn't work for anybody. I've been in this

1851
02:51:23,810 --> 02:51:29,410
business for a long time. We've tried to build it. I've ended up tearing down duplexes because it didn't

1852
02:51:29,410 --> 02:51:36,950
work. The people that ended up using inclusionary housing do not get any benefit for it unless

1853
02:51:36,950 --> 02:51:42,030
they live in it for 30 years. They can't sell it and make a profit. It is set aside.

1854
02:51:42,710 --> 02:51:48,430
So it doesn't benefit them other than for basic housing. So it's not a benefit to them.

1855
02:51:48,670 --> 02:51:53,390
It's not a benefit to the neighborhood does it give them motivation to really take care

1856
02:51:53,390 --> 02:51:57,790
of their property. So that's one of the things that we filed that we didn't care for. They

1857
02:51:57,790 --> 02:52:01,670
didn't take care of it because they weren't going to get a profit out of it like you and

1858
02:52:01,670 --> 02:52:03,430
there were rest of the people that don't know home.

1859
02:52:04,150 --> 02:52:07,550
So this is something that we want to take a closer look at.

1860
02:52:07,790 --> 02:52:13,230
Inclusionary housing hasn't benefit anything and it's a major cost because whatever work

1861
02:52:13,230 --> 02:52:18,150
charged we have got to pass on to the new virus which raises the fees which takes me back

1862
02:52:18,630 --> 02:52:21,270
that we can't afford to build the

1863
02:52:23,510 --> 02:52:24,430
workforce housing.

1864
02:52:25,630 --> 02:52:34,110
So I'll sort of summarize it with that and let's see if there's anything on the short end that I'm missing.

1865
02:52:36,860 --> 02:52:37,960
Now I've hit you here.

1866
02:52:38,860 --> 02:52:41,000
I've hit the main ones without hitting the fees.

1867
02:52:41,200 --> 02:52:41,620
How's that?

1868
02:52:42,100 --> 02:52:42,660
Thank you.

1869
02:52:43,100 --> 02:52:43,380
All right.

1870
02:52:46,450 --> 02:52:47,730
One last developer.

1871
02:52:59,120 --> 02:52:59,540
Thank you.

1872
02:53:00,520 --> 02:53:02,240
Mayor, Vice Mayor, Council Members.

1873
02:53:02,700 --> 02:53:08,780
Greg Brun with the Wisteria Land Group representing the A&P children's investment property.

1874
02:53:08,780 --> 02:53:13,980
Albert, would you mind putting up this slide for the policy issues for me, please?

1875
02:53:14,880 --> 02:53:19,680
And by the way, I'd be the first in line to buy a ticket to watch Rich Play Picklebow.

1876
02:53:26,100 --> 02:53:31,220
So I'll go through these items based on this slide.

1877
02:53:31,440 --> 02:53:41,640
So neighborhood and community parks, the more successful master plans don't just have one or two large parks.

1878
02:53:41,640 --> 02:53:49,060
They have multiple parks that serve the communities, so I echo Todd's comments regarding that.

1879
02:53:49,520 --> 02:53:59,640
We are not asking to reduce the amount of parks, we're asking to have more flexibility in how we provide the required park spaces.

1880
02:54:00,340 --> 02:54:08,840
When we first started this process, it was under the guys that the city wants to do things differently than what they've done in the past.

1881
02:54:08,840 --> 02:54:15,600
If we comply with what the general plan requirements are, we're doing the same thing that developers have done in the past.

1882
02:54:16,140 --> 02:54:23,380
We're wanting to collaborate and actually do things differently as was requested through the specific plan process.

1883
02:54:26,880 --> 02:54:36,180
We've reached out to builder partners and looked at, let me back up, of our developer group just representing the property owners, not including our consultants.

1884
02:54:36,180 --> 02:54:43,880
We all have collectively over 150 years of development experience in the state of California and actually in the Western United States.

1885
02:54:44,460 --> 02:54:46,680
So we are not carpet baggers.

1886
02:54:46,840 --> 02:54:51,500
We are not people that don't have experience in developing successful projects.

1887
02:54:53,020 --> 02:54:58,980
Todd, with the Lewis companies in Riches, he reiterated about what he's done just in the community.

1888
02:54:59,580 --> 02:55:03,960
I grew up in Vallejo, I've done development in Salano County my whole career.

1889
02:55:03,960 --> 02:55:20,420
My wife and companies that she's worked for are built in Vacaville and in Solano County, so we all come here with a stakeholders mentality of my wife and I live in Solano County.

1890
02:55:20,840 --> 02:55:31,180
So we're here to do projects that we can drive through later in life and be proud that we were a part of, which I know this council feels the same way.

1891
02:55:33,220 --> 02:55:35,140
affordability, mix of housing types.

1892
02:55:36,840 --> 02:55:43,400
Required 10% affordable units, this is the first that we've heard of it when the staff report was issued.

1893
02:55:43,520 --> 02:55:46,540
We've never discussed this in any of our meetings with staff.

1894
02:55:48,280 --> 02:55:58,220
We feel that for us to provide missing middle housing, that in and of itself is providing a portion of the affordable housing that's required in the community.

1895
02:56:00,350 --> 02:56:06,190
Alignment of Carole Wage, Albert, would you mind putting up the two options for the AMP property?

1896
02:56:07,950 --> 02:56:13,790
The reason that we requested option B is that we feel that option A would essentially not only

1897
02:56:13,790 --> 02:56:21,010
bifurcate our project, but would create a speedway through the project that makes it unsafe for

1898
02:56:21,010 --> 02:56:25,710
folks that are wanting to access just one six acre park.

1899
02:56:25,710 --> 02:56:33,850
We're proposing three, two acre parks, which we had a call this morning, which Tom

1900
02:56:33,850 --> 02:56:41,690
Philippi was involved in, I was trying to find out what kind of amenities would a two-acre park afford.

1901
02:56:42,370 --> 02:56:48,710
And Tom shared with us minus the parking lot at the play all park.

1902
02:56:49,070 --> 02:56:50,810
It's roughly two and a half acres.

1903
02:56:50,810 --> 02:56:54,290
We're not proposing that we would do a play all part.

1904
02:56:54,730 --> 02:57:05,790
What we're proposing is that we would do, as Rich was talking about, and what Todd was talking about is that they would be themed parks that would have different amenities for different neighborhoods.

1905
02:57:07,030 --> 02:57:17,450
And if you look at option B, those green lines are piseos that would allow people to have access to the parks without having to cross

1906
02:57:17,450 --> 02:57:22,230
across a collector street, which is proposed for Carol Way.

1907
02:57:23,030 --> 02:57:26,390
So these are some of the things that we had talked about.

1908
02:57:28,980 --> 02:57:32,440
We'll get into the fees in the next segment of the meeting.

1909
02:57:33,160 --> 02:57:38,560
But if you're wanting to provide missing middle housing, and if you're wanting to do things differently,

1910
02:57:38,900 --> 02:57:42,400
we want to be a part of that process and we want to collaborate with the city.

1911
02:57:43,100 --> 02:57:48,300
But the way that things are moving forward, like I said, if we have to do general plan compliant,

1912
02:57:48,300 --> 02:57:52,040
parks, et cetera, you're just going to get more of the same, unfortunately.

1913
02:57:52,800 --> 02:57:53,380
Thank you.

1914
02:57:53,720 --> 02:57:54,840
Yes, thank you.

1915
02:57:55,600 --> 02:58:04,900
Before I have staff making you other response or questions, I'm going to open the rest of this time up to the public, the general public, if anyone wishes to make a comment.

1916
02:58:06,600 --> 02:58:08,100
And these will be limited to three minutes.

1917
02:58:08,400 --> 02:58:10,240
I forgot one of those things.

1918
02:58:10,340 --> 02:58:14,040
Yeah, questions may come back, but I'm going to live it up to the public.

1919
02:58:17,160 --> 02:58:17,540
Get in here.

1920
02:58:18,440 --> 02:58:21,160
Hello Mayor, Vice Mayor and City Council.

1921
02:58:21,580 --> 02:58:25,840
I had a lot of stuff written down, but since hearing some of the developers' ideas, I'm

1922
02:58:25,840 --> 02:58:28,980
a little more open-minded to things that they might come up with.

1923
02:58:29,700 --> 02:58:33,960
But in general, enjoying public parks is one of my passions.

1924
02:58:34,980 --> 02:58:42,300
And I see providing I have felt that a good-sized park is the minimum of six acres like we have in

1925
02:58:42,300 --> 02:58:49,600
the city at this point in the general plan and the parks and parks department master

1926
02:58:49,600 --> 02:58:57,680
plan. But as one of the developers is mentioning about parks that are being themed, perhaps

1927
02:58:57,680 --> 02:59:04,820
there would be something that could be appealing for a senior like container gardening or music

1928
02:59:04,820 --> 02:59:10,160
events. And it could be possibly doable in a four acre park. I'm not sure about a two

1929
02:59:10,160 --> 02:59:16,420
So I hope that we could talk about some good ideas, but keep in mind we need some space.

1930
02:59:17,260 --> 02:59:27,360
The other part of having more good-sized parks in my mind is what the Parks and Recreation Department talks about for programming.

1931
02:59:28,240 --> 02:59:35,360
And it could be something as simple as a camp, which could be four seniors learning of craft.

1932
02:59:35,360 --> 02:59:40,340
left, something that would be doable in a larger space.

1933
02:59:42,240 --> 02:59:48,760
So I wanted to just uphold the city staff for all the work they've done and their guidance

1934
02:59:48,760 --> 02:59:53,920
is really valuable for all the experiences, the mistakes that have been made.

1935
02:59:53,940 --> 02:59:57,780
We don't want to repeat, but we want to make things enjoyable.

1936
02:59:58,460 --> 02:59:59,520
So thanks.

1937
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:00,580
Thank you.

1938
03:00:07,600 --> 03:00:36,000
Good evening. As a member of John Q. Public, I would just like to remind all of you ladies and gentlemen that these developers came to you. They wanted to build here because it benefits them. They're not here out of the goodness of their hearts. Now, if there's something they come up with that city staff says, oh, okay, maybe that is a better idea, then all right.

1939
03:00:36,000 --> 03:00:47,280
But please do not change what the city requirements are or what the city needs in order to accommodate these people.

1940
03:00:47,680 --> 03:00:50,140
They came to you looking to build.

1941
03:00:50,860 --> 03:00:52,200
You didn't go ask them.

1942
03:00:53,220 --> 03:01:01,200
The other thing is that they're really worried about, you know, I've sat through a lot of council meeting, maybe slept through more of it.

1943
03:01:01,200 --> 03:01:07,260
But there's been a lot of talk about the city is required to get more affordable housing.

1944
03:01:08,080 --> 03:01:12,540
City staff is saying, hey, we need a certain amount of this project is going to be affordable housing.

1945
03:01:12,900 --> 03:01:22,820
I don't care what they're whining about now because, well, back when such-and-such project was built, they weren't required to do that.

1946
03:01:22,900 --> 03:01:23,700
Well, things changed.

1947
03:01:24,900 --> 03:01:25,940
Situations changed.

1948
03:01:26,420 --> 03:01:27,540
These gentlemen know that.

1949
03:01:27,940 --> 03:01:28,740
They're in business.

1950
03:01:29,540 --> 03:01:31,420
Let's not be their patsies.

1951
03:01:31,740 --> 03:01:35,260
They came to you looking to build a project.

1952
03:01:35,540 --> 03:01:39,320
If the city requires a certain amount of affordable housing,

1953
03:01:39,920 --> 03:01:41,980
their smart businessmen, they'll figure it out.

1954
03:01:42,080 --> 03:01:45,660
They're not going to like it, but you gentlemen, ladies,

1955
03:01:46,080 --> 03:01:47,360
gentlemen, should make them do it.

1956
03:01:47,620 --> 03:01:50,040
Because once again, they came to you.

1957
03:01:50,380 --> 03:01:50,580
All

1958
03:01:56,430 --> 03:01:58,350
right, let me go ahead and close public comment at this point.

1959
03:01:59,010 --> 03:02:02,450
And if there's any comments that staff would like to follow up on

1960
03:02:02,450 --> 03:02:06,530
based upon the comments from the developers, but also from the public.

1961
03:02:07,470 --> 03:02:12,810
I think I'll try to start with the easiest issue, which is actually also one of the most sensitive issues,

1962
03:02:12,810 --> 03:02:18,590
which is the interface of the Northern property with Lockpad and from the very beginning council and staff

1963
03:02:18,590 --> 03:02:23,610
talking to the residents of Lockpad and we've been very clear, we've been clear nothing about this plan

1964
03:02:23,610 --> 03:02:27,470
is intended to force any change in Lockpad and it's an unincorporated area.

1965
03:02:28,110 --> 03:02:30,570
People that live there can live there as long as they like.

1966
03:02:30,570 --> 03:02:44,990
They've got their kind of rural lifestyle there, but one of the challenges for this project with these new homes and possibly missing middle densities is how to create a buffer so that this new development isn't right up against this rural enclave.

1967
03:02:45,490 --> 03:02:54,470
So the way that staff use option A is it doesn't force or even construct a road that goes to the edge of lock pad and possibly beyond.

1968
03:02:54,470 --> 03:03:05,610
But 30, 40, 50 years from now, if the lot of pad and area develops, particularly with all this stuff happening north of it, the northeast growth area, this provides an option.

1969
03:03:05,930 --> 03:03:16,650
And the way this initial design is intended to be, it could be landscaped as part of a buffer, but then ultimately that land remains available to be purposed into a road at such time in the future.

1970
03:03:16,650 --> 03:03:21,730
So I just want to clarify, it's not, as Tom Philippi mentioned, an effort to terrorize anyone.

1971
03:03:21,730 --> 03:03:28,570
It really is intended to be that long-term planning to create a robust circulation network in the area.

1972
03:03:29,330 --> 03:03:34,190
A couple other things about the parks, and also we do have park staff here if you really want to get into some of the needy gritty.

1973
03:03:34,470 --> 03:03:39,970
But staff has not expressed any opposition to the concept that the developers came up with early on.

1974
03:03:39,970 --> 03:03:44,750
to, for example, place the community park between the two developer properties,

1975
03:03:44,990 --> 03:03:49,770
you don't see Raymos and Racins Chen, it's really been about the size of that park,

1976
03:03:50,030 --> 03:03:54,030
and whether or not it meets our minimum standards, and whether it can accommodate those features

1977
03:03:54,030 --> 03:03:56,370
that are part of the Parks and Rec Master Plan.

1978
03:03:56,450 --> 03:04:00,770
So that's something that we've been very open to, and there's nothing to that, they would preclude that.

1979
03:04:02,090 --> 03:04:06,970
A couple other parks things, one of the things about the, I keep thinking the theme parks,

1980
03:04:06,970 --> 03:04:15,170
But theme to parks is that the city's parks and work master plan recognizes that neighborhood parks typically serve residents within like a quarter mile and

1981
03:04:15,170 --> 03:04:29,110
community parks are serving a broader audience, but part of why the general plan calls for these sizes that allow these features is that the park is for the folks in this development, but it's also for the folks beyond this development and it's also part of the city's public park offering.

1982
03:04:29,110 --> 03:04:46,130
So, that's where I think staff and developer right now have kind of a difference of opinion is how these smaller themed parks provide that similar equivalent public amenity to vacable residents with the kind of recreational features that are in the parks and the rec master plan.

1983
03:04:47,930 --> 03:04:57,930
And then the other comment that was made, I just think it's important to be very clear about when staff is giving feedback to developer about this doesn't seem to work or this is an issue.

1984
03:04:57,930 --> 03:05:03,450
It isn't based on staff opinion or us trying to decide what's right or good.

1985
03:05:03,810 --> 03:05:10,630
It really has been grounded solidly in the general plan in the adopted guiding principles in the city's development standards.

1986
03:05:10,810 --> 03:05:16,590
And our staff report goes into that in great detail, but I just want to be clear, I've been very careful with my team that we're not arbitrary and

1987
03:05:16,590 --> 03:05:20,250
capricious, we're not city designers, we're not freelancing here.

1988
03:05:20,330 --> 03:05:25,970
We are really trying to make sure that when this project goes to council, we've not missed anything.

1989
03:05:25,970 --> 03:05:29,430
and you're able to feel confident that it complies with policy.

1990
03:05:29,910 --> 03:05:32,510
I think there was one last thing on my last, sorry, I'm not going to order.

1991
03:05:33,130 --> 03:05:34,110
I would like to go in order.

1992
03:05:35,970 --> 03:05:39,890
I think I clarify this earlier, but the 10% number was kind of put out there

1993
03:05:39,890 --> 03:05:41,490
to give the council something to think about.

1994
03:05:41,650 --> 03:05:46,830
At this point, one of the three developers has proposed one inclusionary solution.

1995
03:05:47,310 --> 03:05:50,090
So the question for the council is, is that sufficient?

1996
03:05:50,570 --> 03:05:53,210
Would you like the developers to explore additional options?

1997
03:05:53,210 --> 03:05:57,250
Back when we took the inclusionary study session to you all, you asked for some information

1998
03:05:57,250 --> 03:06:03,090
about further data about starter homes and home ownership and how ownership units can

1999
03:06:03,090 --> 03:06:03,570
build well.

2000
03:06:03,770 --> 03:06:08,010
That work is happening in community development with our consultant to come back to council.

2001
03:06:08,570 --> 03:06:12,670
So if you're interested in continuing the inclusionary conversation, that's the direction we

2002
03:06:12,670 --> 03:06:13,430
would be looking for.

2003
03:06:14,070 --> 03:06:17,890
Whether it's 10% or just continuing the conversation, I think that's where we're at.

2004
03:06:18,250 --> 03:06:21,330
And if there are any other questions that Albert, you're also taking notes.

2005
03:06:21,330 --> 03:06:24,390
to make sure we don't leave anything unanswered.

2006
03:06:26,070 --> 03:06:30,190
There were a couple of comments that I felt might be helpful to at least clarify.

2007
03:06:32,350 --> 03:06:36,670
The general point of view, and I would say that one of the nice things about this whole

2008
03:06:36,670 --> 03:06:39,890
process is that the developer team does have quite a bit of years of experience.

2009
03:06:40,190 --> 03:06:45,450
So it is, it's very nice to be able to work with that experience because it's not a very

2010
03:06:45,450 --> 03:06:46,150
rigid process.

2011
03:06:46,290 --> 03:06:48,390
We can actually have good conversation back and forth.

2012
03:06:49,850 --> 03:06:53,250
I'm sorry to hear that they're feeling that this is a burdensome process.

2013
03:06:54,050 --> 03:06:55,810
Many of these standards are not new.

2014
03:06:56,550 --> 03:07:00,090
The standards for minimum park sizes have been on our general plan for quite some time.

2015
03:07:01,550 --> 03:07:06,070
It's been identified in our parks and recreation element primarily since 2015.

2016
03:07:06,650 --> 03:07:08,130
Even before then, we had a lot of stuff.

2017
03:07:09,790 --> 03:07:16,110
The discussion we're having about parks, it's a high stakes discussion and involves a lot

2018
03:07:16,110 --> 03:07:20,830
of accountability and that's a very tough discussion because it's one of our core items within

2019
03:07:21,530 --> 03:07:30,390
the city's values. The claim has made that we're doing the same thing and I would say we're

2020
03:07:30,390 --> 03:07:36,270
not because what we're doing differently about this process is we are really trying to get

2021
03:07:37,070 --> 03:07:42,310
a project that can meet those minimum standards. We have plenty of experiences in the past where

2022
03:07:42,310 --> 03:07:46,490
we've heard, well we'll do it differently this way or what if we do it this way and it just has

2023
03:07:46,490 --> 03:07:51,710
a panned out. We've got lots of experiences where parks that were dedicated to city just haven't

2024
03:07:51,710 --> 03:07:56,310
been built and their building being built late. Cordero's Park was one of those examples where

2025
03:07:56,310 --> 03:08:03,630
they can get built until 75 80% of the build out. One of the recent successes that I want to be able

2026
03:08:03,630 --> 03:08:08,730
to point back to is what happened in North Village, which was we changed the way that things work

2027
03:08:08,730 --> 03:08:10,410
and it was with the help of this council.

2028
03:08:10,950 --> 03:08:12,750
With applying pressure on the development,

2029
03:08:13,450 --> 03:08:15,490
Cordero's park was built late in the game.

2030
03:08:15,870 --> 03:08:19,930
That changed with area plan two where this council said,

2031
03:08:20,270 --> 03:08:21,290
we're not gonna do that anymore.

2032
03:08:21,810 --> 03:08:23,410
Not only is the park gonna get built

2033
03:08:23,950 --> 03:08:26,770
earlier in the process, it's gonna be built by the developer.

2034
03:08:27,330 --> 03:08:28,570
And it can have themes.

2035
03:08:28,610 --> 03:08:30,330
I think council member Silva had mentioned,

2036
03:08:30,670 --> 03:08:33,410
wanting to see bio manufacturing type of theme on there.

2037
03:08:33,850 --> 03:08:37,110
There's no reason why we can't have our city design parks

2038
03:08:37,110 --> 03:08:42,870
that meet our standards and have theming and create a beautiful place that people can

2039
03:08:42,870 --> 03:08:48,170
go and congregate at. That's the minimum requirement. The developer is proposing to annex

2040
03:08:48,170 --> 03:08:54,970
into our city an obligation to support almost 4,500, maybe around 4,000 residential units

2041
03:08:54,970 --> 03:08:59,710
that comes with infrastructure, landscaping, water, all kinds of law enforcement and fire

2042
03:08:59,710 --> 03:09:04,910
services. Our observation is the least that we could start with is compliance with our

2043
03:09:04,910 --> 03:09:08,930
minimum standards, and then we can work beyond that to create a really awesome project.

2044
03:09:12,510 --> 03:09:17,490
Thank you. In the interest of how we're going to get through this kind of recommendation,

2045
03:09:17,850 --> 03:09:23,470
because I mean, this is a business item, but it almost feels like a kind of staffing

2046
03:09:23,470 --> 03:09:28,330
study where you're getting direction. So I'm going to need the council to be as succinct

2047
03:09:28,330 --> 03:09:34,250
as possible. There is a few different elements. There's park minimums. That's a standard

2048
03:09:34,250 --> 03:09:41,190
that's set by policy. There is the ask for potential inclusionary housing where the

2049
03:09:41,190 --> 03:09:49,250
developers are saying you're asking for workforce housing or missing middle. However, the

2050
03:09:50,250 --> 03:09:57,230
development is asking for what either could be in lieu of fees because right now we don't

2051
03:09:57,230 --> 03:10:04,390
have an inclusionary zoning policy has practiced has been in lieu of fees and will know not

2052
03:10:04,390 --> 03:10:05,230
anything in the case.

2053
03:10:05,410 --> 03:10:09,350
But sometimes there's there's properties that have been donated so that there can be

2054
03:10:09,890 --> 03:10:12,530
development agreements that can provide for fees.

2055
03:10:13,330 --> 03:10:17,690
We may not get the whole answer because this is not a policy discussion on inclusionary housing.

2056
03:10:18,510 --> 03:10:23,950
Carol Wei and I think separate from that is lock patent because that's a sensitive one

2057
03:10:23,950 --> 03:10:28,990
I think they can be appreciated, but so that the council can fairly give direction.

2058
03:10:28,990 --> 03:10:34,890
I think it would be important if the council could actually, without a lengthy explanation,

2059
03:10:35,130 --> 03:10:36,970
just express the direction.

2060
03:10:37,670 --> 03:10:41,890
So I'm going to go in the order of the lights that are on here, Council Member Richie.

2061
03:10:44,600 --> 03:10:45,800
John, I'm going to try to guess.

2062
03:10:47,060 --> 03:10:51,640
I'll work in reverse, saying the last thing on list was the carrowaiding slides 22.

2063
03:10:52,820 --> 03:10:54,320
Is there possible?

2064
03:10:57,040 --> 03:11:06,040
So, just really quickly, I had a conversation earlier, I had a chance to talk to one of the developers Greg, and we had the same point.

2065
03:11:07,540 --> 03:11:13,320
What I saw from that immediately, as we came as reviewing is, okay, best intentions, the city is just trying to the right thing.

2066
03:11:13,760 --> 03:11:20,160
But thinking in reality, what would I do, what most of us, people have turned leaves of town into a freeway.

2067
03:11:20,720 --> 03:11:22,640
It says 45, they're going to 60.

2068
03:11:23,820 --> 03:11:26,240
The path leads just as it's like water.

2069
03:11:26,440 --> 03:11:27,480
They're going to travel was easiest.

2070
03:11:28,340 --> 03:11:29,760
They're going to see two lights.

2071
03:11:30,420 --> 03:11:32,480
As soon as they see that the light turned red,

2072
03:11:32,820 --> 03:11:34,160
they're going to follow the right hand lane,

2073
03:11:34,680 --> 03:11:36,760
and they're going to turn that street into a freeway.

2074
03:11:37,920 --> 03:11:39,500
That street is a 25 mile per hour street,

2075
03:11:39,880 --> 03:11:41,480
isn't turned to a 45 mile per hour.

2076
03:11:41,740 --> 03:11:44,020
Because people have no best interest in that community.

2077
03:11:44,360 --> 03:11:45,580
They're going to bail through the neighborhood

2078
03:11:46,030 --> 03:11:47,100
to get to fry road.

2079
03:11:47,100 --> 03:11:50,260
and Calvary has a zero parking administration.

2080
03:11:50,880 --> 03:11:52,980
There's my cars lined up on each side of the streets,

2081
03:11:53,460 --> 03:11:55,160
creating even a narrow place to drive,

2082
03:11:55,840 --> 03:11:56,640
and kids are gonna get hit.

2083
03:11:58,000 --> 03:11:58,920
It's just the realities,

2084
03:11:59,500 --> 03:12:01,780
leisure towns fast, people don't call the directions.

2085
03:12:02,220 --> 03:12:04,340
They're gonna bail through and not care about the community

2086
03:12:04,340 --> 03:12:05,220
and they'll be wearing their hair.

2087
03:12:05,800 --> 03:12:09,740
So, just for the fact of the design option too,

2088
03:12:10,480 --> 03:12:15,120
requires people to slow down for me as a safety issue.

2089
03:12:15,120 --> 03:12:18,500
It's an easy pass-through, it's going to happen.

2090
03:12:20,260 --> 03:12:26,180
Next, I guess, represents sink, we can move to, oh, in that place, I'll tell you the

2091
03:12:26,180 --> 03:12:26,760
parts all the ones.

2092
03:12:27,360 --> 03:12:29,740
I guess next on the list was parts.

2093
03:12:31,800 --> 03:12:38,860
I remember, in my mind, I remember, civically, Councilman Stockton, I feel like a year ago,

2094
03:12:39,840 --> 03:12:42,620
he reiterated, we want to make sure this project is great.

2095
03:12:42,620 --> 03:12:44,240
This grant is different.

2096
03:12:45,280 --> 03:12:48,080
So I do have a little friction with business usual.

2097
03:12:49,040 --> 03:12:52,440
If we ask them and I've asked them to make this project different,

2098
03:12:52,800 --> 03:12:56,100
how can we use the same guidelines last 20, 30 years?

2099
03:12:56,580 --> 03:13:00,980
So we've got to be open to some kind of direction,

2100
03:13:01,740 --> 03:13:02,780
an alteration of the parks.

2101
03:13:03,960 --> 03:13:08,580
I do believe having, so a two-acre park, I had to just study it.

2102
03:13:09,000 --> 03:13:11,020
A football field is exactly two acres.

2103
03:13:11,560 --> 03:13:13,720
It's right, it's 1.5 acres, the soccer field is two acres.

2104
03:13:14,600 --> 03:13:19,460
If you're going to have built-ins to these parks at two acres, say 4% of the parks and

2105
03:13:19,460 --> 03:13:23,240
have sidewalks built-ins to some amenities, you're only going to have a 60% of that two-acre

2106
03:13:23,240 --> 03:13:24,500
park as we open space.

2107
03:13:24,980 --> 03:13:27,840
That's not enough for a kid, sorry, I covered this up with Greg earlier.

2108
03:13:28,660 --> 03:13:34,780
If we reduce the parks in that area from three to two and possibly expand them to three and

2109
03:13:34,780 --> 03:13:37,420
half or four acres, we've got to figure it out.

2110
03:13:37,420 --> 03:13:43,740
That does enough leeway to have the building amenities plus enough room for this natural discovery play

2111
03:13:44,580 --> 03:13:47,640
So I really think that's important my programming is great

2112
03:13:47,640 --> 03:13:51,220
But kids just they need to figure it out give an open field and let them have fun

2113
03:13:51,220 --> 03:13:55,560
I don't don't tell them we're flying here climb them as a big part of society trying to us programming

2114
03:13:55,560 --> 03:13:57,040
It's let them figure it out

2115
03:13:57,560 --> 03:13:58,880
And that's what open fields do

2116
03:13:59,820 --> 03:14:01,300
the last part

2117
03:14:01,300 --> 03:14:04,220
I heard you talking about the working group.

2118
03:14:04,620 --> 03:14:08,780
The 10%, I would love to be a part of the working group talk about affordability.

2119
03:14:09,160 --> 03:14:10,520
That's something I went on in a very big passion.

2120
03:14:10,940 --> 03:14:12,340
I give her an hour on that.

2121
03:14:12,420 --> 03:14:16,020
I'm trying to succinct when it comes to the affordable housing.

2122
03:14:17,280 --> 03:14:21,380
When I read the staff before, there's nothing in regards to the low density, low density, I get it.

2123
03:14:21,820 --> 03:14:24,760
The medium to low density and the medium density.

2124
03:14:25,140 --> 03:14:27,120
There's nothing describing the lot size.

2125
03:14:27,120 --> 03:14:33,300
The city of California passes a senate bill that's required the lots to have certain fee, so we don't have to fight with that anymore.

2126
03:14:34,760 --> 03:14:39,980
But if we're going to try and do affordable housing, there is a lot of studies in caveats and trying to force

2127
03:14:40,560 --> 03:14:43,520
inclusion and housing to make some affordable, it is hard to work.

2128
03:14:43,920 --> 03:14:54,820
But what we need to do is, those medium to low-density laws, if there are going to be 3,000 square feet, we need to find out how to work with the developers to create homes that are affordable.

2129
03:14:54,820 --> 03:14:57,940
But we don't need to build 2,000 perfect homes

2130
03:14:57,940 --> 03:14:58,880
and call them affordable.

2131
03:14:59,080 --> 03:14:59,600
It's not going to happen.

2132
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:08,200
We need to get back to the common sense of, I want to rant, tangent about Westwood, all these areas, cottages, townhomes, cluster homes.

2133
03:15:09,440 --> 03:15:21,620
Exam, port of females are great example. We need to figure out how to do homes at 500 square feet, 300 square feet, three bedrooms, one half bath, two bedrooms, one half baths.

2134
03:15:21,620 --> 03:15:24,580
At the current construction cost I looked up today,

2135
03:15:25,320 --> 03:15:27,880
the low range, not everybody's a wolf

2136
03:15:27,880 --> 03:15:29,180
in Viking in our house.

2137
03:15:29,420 --> 03:15:33,460
It's 250 square feet, $2 square foot to 500.

2138
03:15:34,160 --> 03:15:35,840
If they do a $3,000 square foot of light,

2139
03:15:35,960 --> 03:15:39,300
if you do not square foot home, at $275 square foot,

2140
03:15:39,780 --> 03:15:41,780
we can deliver home at 412,000.

2141
03:15:42,640 --> 03:15:45,760
The low limit in our county is 700.

2142
03:15:46,560 --> 03:15:47,100
It's almost half.

2143
03:15:47,960 --> 03:15:48,680
We can get it done.

2144
03:15:49,200 --> 03:15:53,900
We don't have the force, some guideline on people to make housing affordable.

2145
03:15:54,240 --> 03:15:57,340
We've got to be understanding that everyone needs the first house to be tossed

2146
03:15:57,340 --> 03:16:01,740
in a hall. We need an opportunity to move up. Affordable housing is the biggest part

2147
03:16:01,740 --> 03:16:06,080
about what we're talking about. That's affordable. Fortunate to be affordable by a

2148
03:16:06,080 --> 03:16:11,820
guideline, it doesn't allow them to get equity. By being in a house, what happens is if

2149
03:16:11,820 --> 03:16:17,020
you're married, you get to write $12,000 of more interest. You're filing double, it's

2150
03:16:17,020 --> 03:16:21,820
24,000. They even house for four years. It's only been for they get more introduction.

2151
03:16:22,420 --> 03:16:23,920
They don't get any interest for equity.

2152
03:16:24,660 --> 03:16:25,600
So, it's in the interest.

2153
03:16:25,940 --> 03:16:27,480
So, I'm sorry. Yeah. I mean-

2154
03:16:27,480 --> 03:16:28,860
I love your analogies, because they're good.

2155
03:16:29,120 --> 03:16:29,560
It's just-

2156
03:16:29,560 --> 03:16:31,380
Yeah, I mean, I mean, the-

2157
03:16:31,380 --> 03:16:32,700
So, I see where you're going with that.

2158
03:16:32,940 --> 03:16:37,680
Yeah, the passion is like, I'm all for redirecting, making more community parks.

2159
03:16:37,980 --> 03:16:43,840
I want to make sure it works, but when it comes to housing, it's, it's falling to death years.

2160
03:16:43,840 --> 03:16:46,720
So I'm going to start being more specific.

2161
03:16:47,120 --> 03:16:50,120
Do you have an opinion on the lock pad and-

2162
03:16:50,960 --> 03:16:52,160
I really don't care about that.

2163
03:16:52,600 --> 03:16:58,140
I care about finding houses that people in the community can live and move to that are affordable.

2164
03:16:58,500 --> 03:17:05,560
And it's going to be at a foreign dollar price point that allow people to come out of the community, live here and move up and stay here.

2165
03:17:05,920 --> 03:17:07,180
Now, I don't care about a pass of joy.

2166
03:17:07,300 --> 03:17:10,860
Okay, I'm just trying to do this in the interest of time, Council Member Stockton.

2167
03:17:13,930 --> 03:17:17,470
Thank you, and you can put the timer up for me if you want to, Mr. Mayor.

2168
03:17:19,190 --> 03:17:20,070
I agree.

2169
03:17:20,290 --> 03:17:21,950
I'm in light to be calling out the time.

2170
03:17:22,110 --> 03:17:22,710
Yeah, exactly.

2171
03:17:23,250 --> 03:17:24,550
Well, I'll look down there.

2172
03:17:25,290 --> 03:17:28,230
First off, I want to thank you for your presentation.

2173
03:17:29,410 --> 03:17:33,250
I want to thank you for following the general plan, right?

2174
03:17:33,410 --> 03:17:37,970
I think that the policies, procedures, and plans that we implement should be followed.

2175
03:17:37,970 --> 03:17:43,410
But I also think that it's great that you came to us recognizing that there are some

2176
03:17:44,490 --> 03:17:49,770
Need for reevaluation is to whether or not we should change those plans and that's what we exist to do

2177
03:17:49,770 --> 03:17:53,510
So first off, thank you, okay, so I wanted to say that

2178
03:17:54,670 --> 03:18:00,910
Because amending the general plan if that's what it takes. I think that's what this council should consider to do

2179
03:18:00,910 --> 03:18:03,730
So I'll try to go as quickly as I can I

2180
03:18:03,730 --> 03:18:12,210
I think when I look at the South, the Carol way that goes all the way through, when I look

2181
03:18:12,210 --> 03:18:16,490
at those two options, the community that I'd rather live in is the one with the loot, right?

2182
03:18:16,590 --> 03:18:21,850
It just feels safer, it feels more like neighborhood like, you know, the smaller parks.

2183
03:18:21,850 --> 03:18:26,890
I think we just maybe need some flexibility because it feels like to me that some of the issues

2184
03:18:26,890 --> 03:18:32,070
aren't necessarily one thing in particular, but maybe a combination of those things collectively

2185
03:18:32,070 --> 03:18:37,550
that are creating some of these discrepancies between us getting a really good plan and the

2186
03:18:37,550 --> 03:18:41,610
developers having, you know, something that pencils out for them. So I don't think it's

2187
03:18:41,610 --> 03:18:47,310
necessarily one specific thing or a winner lose on every single issue that was brought up to

2188
03:18:47,310 --> 03:18:58,630
us today. I am concerned about the inclusionary housing goal or ordinance. I know that this

2189
03:18:58,630 --> 03:19:06,090
council has talked about that in the past. I raised the question last time, is the

2190
03:19:06,090 --> 03:19:10,290
goal to provide affordable housing and workforce housing, whatever terminology it is that

2191
03:19:10,290 --> 03:19:17,570
you want to use, or to have mixed income neighborhoods as the goal? I would like council's

2192
03:19:17,570 --> 03:19:20,530
opinion on that because I know we're getting ready to talk about it, but we're supposed

2193
03:19:20,530 --> 03:19:29,150
to give you direction. For me I'm more concerned about setting, you know, making it affordable but not

2194
03:19:29,890 --> 03:19:35,670
to where we have to come up with some magic formula to figure out who gets to live in these

2195
03:19:35,670 --> 03:19:40,410
affordable homes and then have them locked. I think Councilmember Richie explained that really,

2196
03:19:40,410 --> 03:19:47,310
really well. So I'm a little concerned that that's already kind of being used as a negotiation tactic.

2197
03:19:47,310 --> 03:19:54,010
I don't want that involved at all, I fundamentally disagree with that as being something that we should do moving forward for this.

2198
03:19:54,350 --> 03:19:56,550
My council may disagree, that's totally fine.

2199
03:19:58,490 --> 03:20:03,910
I am, see the other one, we talked about the A&P property.

2200
03:20:04,990 --> 03:20:07,170
The parks, Carole Way, and the other one.

2201
03:20:07,190 --> 03:20:11,630
Yes, so the parks, I think what we need is flexibility, right?

2202
03:20:11,630 --> 03:20:31,210
So if I think that what we should do is maybe bring something back so we can change the policy that allows us to do like two to six or something that provides that flexibility and even the overlap that was discussed before, I don't have an issue if there are two developers with bordering properties that want to overlap apart to make it more functional, I think that's totally fine.

2203
03:20:31,830 --> 03:20:39,430
I'm also not against, like I don't want to say for all of them, but like an HOA or a private park, right?

2204
03:20:39,430 --> 03:20:43,470
I think that if some of these parks are niche,

2205
03:20:43,470 --> 03:20:45,530
I mean, we've had developments that have come in

2206
03:20:45,530 --> 03:20:49,590
that are specifically geared for elder populations, right?

2207
03:20:49,790 --> 03:20:52,350
So I'm okay with some of these things

2208
03:20:52,350 --> 03:20:55,390
having been funded and maintained through an HOA.

2209
03:20:55,850 --> 03:20:57,290
That's not to say I want all of them.

2210
03:20:57,510 --> 03:21:00,490
Like I do think a larger park that allows for field

2211
03:21:00,490 --> 03:21:01,810
and kids to play stuff is good,

2212
03:21:01,850 --> 03:21:04,070
but I don't think that all of them have to be that way.

2213
03:21:04,130 --> 03:21:05,890
So again, I just think flexibility.

2214
03:21:05,890 --> 03:21:06,150
ability.

2215
03:21:08,350 --> 03:21:16,810
The future green space caraway buffer zone, I understand what we're trying to do.

2216
03:21:17,790 --> 03:21:24,070
It makes sense, but I also think, let's see if we can work that one out, right? I mean,

2217
03:21:24,270 --> 03:21:30,890
if we, I don't want that to be like a 1992, we're going to put Vaca Valley over the hill

2218
03:21:30,890 --> 03:21:35,650
issue where we force that buffer zone and it just like never happens, right?

2219
03:21:36,770 --> 03:21:46,170
So did I hit all of them, workforce housing, A&P, I think we need to get that inclusionary

2220
03:21:46,170 --> 03:21:49,910
housing ordinance back to council like soon because it's being talked about.

2221
03:21:50,270 --> 03:21:54,450
So if it's being talked about then it's impacting the negotiations and our ability to move forward.

2222
03:21:54,770 --> 03:22:00,070
If they're willing to do the six acre parcel, I'm like I'm personally good with that.

2223
03:22:00,070 --> 03:22:05,630
But I think that that probably requires a different conversation when we bring that stuff back.

2224
03:22:05,730 --> 03:22:07,030
Did I get a more, Mr. Mayor?

2225
03:22:07,290 --> 03:22:07,610
Thank you.

2226
03:22:08,050 --> 03:22:08,550
Okay, thank you.

2227
03:22:08,850 --> 03:22:09,750
Ten seconds to go.

2228
03:22:11,030 --> 03:22:12,010
I tried my best.

2229
03:22:13,190 --> 03:22:13,970
Councilmember Silva.

2230
03:22:14,710 --> 03:22:14,810
Yeah.

2231
03:22:15,090 --> 03:22:17,270
We didn't have opportunities for questions.

2232
03:22:18,530 --> 03:22:20,450
So I just had a question.

2233
03:22:20,990 --> 03:22:27,670
I just had a question for Don Beres, the Economic Development and maybe Tamra.

2234
03:22:27,670 --> 03:22:34,410
Just about any feedback you guys have heard, just based on our numbers we're at with housing needs,

2235
03:22:35,270 --> 03:22:43,750
particularly for our young, inter-level, professional, young professionals that are trying to get the careers kicked off.

2236
03:22:44,790 --> 03:22:50,250
I know we look at arena numbers, but what are you guys here and what are you guys seeing out there from the community?

2237
03:22:50,250 --> 03:22:51,270
Thank

2238
03:22:53,960 --> 03:22:57,840
you for the question, Council Member Gidevin, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Council Members,

2239
03:22:58,160 --> 03:23:00,640
Don Burst, Director of Economic Development Services.

2240
03:23:02,140 --> 03:23:05,140
Council Member, your question is actually pretty timely.

2241
03:23:05,940 --> 03:23:12,400
This morning, I was part of an interview with the consultant team from Strategic Economics,

2242
03:23:13,160 --> 03:23:18,480
who's working with ABAG and MTC, excuse me, the Metropolitan Transportation Commission,

2243
03:23:18,480 --> 03:23:27,900
in the Association of Bay Area Cities, excuse me, Bay Area Governments with their priority production area program.

2244
03:23:28,360 --> 03:23:32,100
We already participate in the priority development area program.

2245
03:23:32,680 --> 03:23:38,980
This new program is very much geared towards cities looking at what industry clusters they have and

2246
03:23:38,980 --> 03:23:43,100
how they can grow their economy by growing those clusters.

2247
03:23:44,000 --> 03:23:54,040
In the interview process this morning, what the consultant's did share with me is that Salano County in general and they're working very specifically in Salano County.

2248
03:23:54,520 --> 03:23:59,820
This work is also happening like in Contra Costa County and other counties throughout Northern California.

2249
03:24:00,420 --> 03:24:06,140
What they did share was that we have a youth crisis when it comes to housing.

2250
03:24:06,140 --> 03:24:12,880
When we look at our numbers of residents, and we look at the percentage of youths in various age groups,

2251
03:24:13,880 --> 03:24:19,320
it's really apparent that in Salano County, a lot of our younger people, recent college graduates,

2252
03:24:20,020 --> 03:24:23,520
don't live in the county because it's not affordable for them.

2253
03:24:24,480 --> 03:24:31,000
So I don't have much more to share other than that's what the consultants shared with us this morning in that interview process,

2254
03:24:31,000 --> 03:24:38,640
that missing middle or attainable housing or workforce housing is what's missing within our county.

2255
03:24:39,580 --> 03:24:42,640
I don't know if Tamera has more to share, but that's what I learned this morning.

2256
03:24:42,700 --> 03:24:49,080
How does that impact our ability to foster economic development in our city and county?

2257
03:24:49,540 --> 03:24:56,140
It is a question that companies asked, I think I might have mentioned in previous council meetings that years ago,

2258
03:24:56,140 --> 03:25:03,660
So, companies located in communities simply because they were affordable or cheap labor, cheap land, cheap facilities.

2259
03:25:04,280 --> 03:25:05,900
That is a longer the case.

2260
03:25:06,280 --> 03:25:16,480
Normally when companies tour through our county now, one of the first questions usually is either about education, or do you have housing for our workforce?

2261
03:25:17,380 --> 03:25:19,200
Thank you, you're welcome.

2262
03:25:19,200 --> 03:25:19,340
Okay.

2263
03:25:24,520 --> 03:25:28,700
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to add a little bit to this conversation.

2264
03:25:28,960 --> 03:25:35,580
I don't have specific information about what those that are in the, considered in the

2265
03:25:35,580 --> 03:25:39,860
workforce housing income demographic, say what they need.

2266
03:25:40,180 --> 03:25:49,120
What I can add is that generally in the affordable housing world, workforce housing is housing

2267
03:25:49,120 --> 03:25:55,700
that's affordable to those that are earning anywhere between 100 and 120% of area median income.

2268
03:25:56,300 --> 03:26:02,180
So when you think about workforce housing or housing that's affordable to the workforce,

2269
03:26:02,240 --> 03:26:06,500
there is still an affordability and an income limit to that housing.

2270
03:26:07,820 --> 03:26:14,420
What we have found at least in looking at feasibility of our down payment assistance programs and funds,

2271
03:26:14,420 --> 03:26:22,580
is that anywhere between 80 and 100% of area median income limits, there's a discrepancy

2272
03:26:22,580 --> 03:26:29,500
between what's available, the average home prices, about 550,000 here in Vacaville and

2273
03:26:29,500 --> 03:26:37,400
what a family earning at that 80 to 100 up to 120% income level can pay towards a mortgage

2274
03:26:37,400 --> 03:26:47,100
So that gap there, if there's not an income limit or a limit placed on even home ownership housing,

2275
03:26:47,300 --> 03:26:52,220
you still might have difficulty with those that you're trying to target when you talk about workforce housing,

2276
03:26:52,640 --> 03:26:54,720
being able to afford homes at that price.

2277
03:26:55,520 --> 03:26:57,760
Thank you, both for your input.

2278
03:26:58,940 --> 03:27:04,480
And then to address the different feedback, I think, like for me, the number one priority is,

2279
03:27:04,480 --> 03:27:10,160
how do we make sure that there is some type of level of attainable housing for residents,

2280
03:27:10,180 --> 03:27:14,660
particularly a demographic that I think we've seen from different data points,

2281
03:27:14,820 --> 03:27:19,140
particularly in our Sloan County that we're losing. You know, it was specifically mentioned

2282
03:27:19,140 --> 03:27:24,660
folks in Biotech. Most of the folks, when I worked in when it was Genentech, many of those folks

2283
03:27:24,660 --> 03:27:30,600
could not afford to live here. And those were middle-aged folks as well. And so they're living outside

2284
03:27:30,600 --> 03:27:38,440
back of the airman. There's a whole different situation in there. One of the apartments that

2285
03:27:38,440 --> 03:27:43,320
were recently completed is the true, I don't know if some can answer. Is it true that the number

2286
03:27:43,320 --> 03:27:47,160
of veterans that required to live there have been reduced? Is that true?

2287
03:27:49,620 --> 03:27:50,400
I just want to make sure I'm

2288
03:27:50,400 --> 03:27:55,620
got accurate. It's not the number of veterans that are there to be reduced. It was the number of

2289
03:27:55,620 --> 03:28:02,180
of vouchers that were allocated explicitly for veterans was defined and then the project

2290
03:28:02,180 --> 03:28:07,580
proponent was going to be advertising heavily to the Air Force base to try and attract

2291
03:28:08,320 --> 03:28:12,980
potential airmen to be able to voucher state remain the same from when it came to council.

2292
03:28:13,660 --> 03:28:14,200
Correct, yes.

2293
03:28:14,360 --> 03:28:14,540
Okay.

2294
03:28:14,960 --> 03:28:19,560
Thank you for clarifying that woman because I think a lot of times we see things that we approve

2295
03:28:19,560 --> 03:28:25,120
these plans, yes things do change but I think one of the things about suggesting a 10%

2296
03:28:25,120 --> 03:28:29,300
And I think the consultant, I forget the number was like 14, 15 or something.

2297
03:28:29,360 --> 03:28:35,380
I think 14% but it suggested a 10% for inclusionary zoning was something that was more comfortable.

2298
03:28:36,200 --> 03:28:43,020
I think if in my mind, if there's some, what I would like to see is that conversation continue to happen because there are developments,

2299
03:28:43,600 --> 03:28:48,760
whether if some aren't working, I need to see the data, I need to see the situation of why that's not working.

2300
03:28:48,840 --> 03:28:52,700
Because when I go to different communities throughout Northern California and other states,

2301
03:28:52,700 --> 03:28:56,020
There's some phenomenal developments going on that are new, phenomenal.

2302
03:28:56,540 --> 03:28:58,280
Four families, four people of all ages.

2303
03:28:58,440 --> 03:29:00,740
So I'd like to see those conversations continue.

2304
03:29:01,260 --> 03:29:03,860
Our teachers, we are losing teachers in our community.

2305
03:29:04,040 --> 03:29:08,340
If we're concerned about the quality of our community,

2306
03:29:08,740 --> 03:29:14,360
and we're concerned about the future, we need educators inset to be able to invest in our community,

2307
03:29:14,620 --> 03:29:17,600
to stop that high turnover, to be able to develop our youth,

2308
03:29:17,780 --> 03:29:21,000
and for them to develop their practice of teaching much more effectively.

2309
03:29:21,000 --> 03:29:28,820
So, for me, that's the number one thing, as far as everything else, everything else I feel can be negotiable around a set number.

2310
03:29:28,960 --> 03:29:34,980
How do we make sure that we have truly attainable housing, both that may be rental and or ownership?

2311
03:29:36,900 --> 03:29:38,940
All right, Vice Mayor Chattano.

2312
03:29:39,640 --> 03:29:40,400
Thank you.

2313
03:29:42,440 --> 03:29:46,180
I'm not going to make many of the developers happy this evening.

2314
03:29:46,180 --> 03:29:56,100
I would like us to adhere to the general plan policies and standards as it pertains to

2315
03:30:00,530 --> 03:30:11,410
I would like to, again, we're finding, or some of my breathing, we have more people spinning

2316
03:30:11,410 --> 03:30:18,150
more time out of doors, taking the advantage of walking. You see more people walking

2317
03:30:18,150 --> 03:30:26,430
their animals today. There are older individuals who are playing pickleball, I want to get

2318
03:30:26,430 --> 03:30:35,510
other one day. However, the thing parts are good, but I think it should be next. I still support

2319
03:30:36,430 --> 03:30:47,390
larger parts. I'm sorry. And then as far as the housing, I'm steadfast, but I'm able to

2320
03:30:47,390 --> 03:30:59,690
to listen and be able to accept mixed housing, inclusionary housing, I love to see that.

2321
03:31:01,070 --> 03:31:10,570
However, this project, this area, it's pushing it further down the road, you know, we need to start making some decisions.

2322
03:31:10,570 --> 03:31:22,470
And I'm hoping with mayor that before we finish this agenda item that we actually give staff direction on how we feel on each one of these.

2323
03:31:22,950 --> 03:31:24,670
What do you think? I know there's others, but that's-

2324
03:31:24,670 --> 03:31:27,230
As far as did you have any other direction?

2325
03:31:28,050 --> 03:31:29,050
Oh, the Carol way.

2326
03:31:29,230 --> 03:31:34,550
Carol way to the parks. You spoke with inclusionary and did you have any comment on the quarter?

2327
03:31:34,770 --> 03:31:37,810
So I think we're trying to do is each give this direction.

2328
03:31:37,810 --> 03:31:44,910
So the majority, you know, the kind of feedback that you can take, so you have clear directions, so did you have it?

2329
03:31:45,030 --> 03:31:46,190
Yes, on Carole way.

2330
03:31:46,850 --> 03:31:50,190
I did look at the design and it does make sense.

2331
03:31:50,250 --> 03:31:50,730
I'm sorry.

2332
03:31:51,390 --> 03:31:52,890
So go around the prop.

2333
03:31:53,250 --> 03:31:55,170
I like option B.

2334
03:31:56,670 --> 03:32:02,170
And I think safety is an issue with that, with option A.

2335
03:32:02,170 --> 03:32:05,750
and option B just looks like it's the way to go.

2336
03:32:06,150 --> 03:32:08,610
That's unpunished.

2337
03:32:09,050 --> 03:32:09,250
All right.

2338
03:32:09,670 --> 03:32:12,510
Did you have any opinion on the corridor in Lockpadon?

2339
03:32:13,010 --> 03:32:13,430
Too much, why?

2340
03:32:13,590 --> 03:32:15,650
The corridor to Lockpadon, right here.

2341
03:32:16,310 --> 03:32:17,770
The alignment of Carillway.

2342
03:32:18,810 --> 03:32:19,010
Oh.

2343
03:32:20,590 --> 03:32:24,070
Again, it's a placeholder for the future.

2344
03:32:24,210 --> 03:32:24,770
On the future.

2345
03:32:25,350 --> 03:32:25,870
I have no.

2346
03:32:26,310 --> 03:32:26,790
I have no.

2347
03:32:29,790 --> 03:32:30,850
Councillor Member Fremont?

2348
03:32:31,410 --> 03:32:33,330
I want to start off with that slide right there.

2349
03:32:33,330 --> 03:32:36,390
I'm not in favor of going into a lock pattern like that.

2350
03:32:36,490 --> 03:32:45,190
I'd rather see us go further to the east and I just think in a long run it would be cheaper, but that's that's the least of.

2351
03:32:46,710 --> 03:32:52,990
So my opinion would be on that would be option B on, on carol way.

2352
03:32:54,370 --> 03:33:03,410
But, you know, I'm looking back on one of these, it says the relative in regard to Van and Meadows Park,

2353
03:33:03,410 --> 03:33:07,450
the developmental agreements executed with all three landowners gave the option to either pay the

2354
03:33:07,450 --> 03:33:13,610
park development which they construct the neighborhood park and receive the park D.I.F. credit,

2355
03:33:13,790 --> 03:33:17,930
all three landowners or subsequent builders that collected have paid the park D.I.F. instead of

2356
03:33:17,930 --> 03:33:24,590
building the neighborhood park. So the fees were collected and we didn't do anything to build those

2357
03:33:24,590 --> 03:33:31,010
parks. But before I say I just want to say you guys do a great job Aaron you know always knock it

2358
03:33:31,010 --> 03:33:35,570
the park and I know that you're hardest for the city and I know that you guys you know really put a

2359
03:33:35,570 --> 03:33:38,930
lot of effort and work into this and I appreciate you guys very much.

2360
03:33:41,430 --> 03:33:43,950
I'm a little bit confused because

2361
03:33:43,950 --> 03:33:51,390
I remember when we were talking about inclusionary housing back a couple of months ago we said well wait

2362
03:33:51,390 --> 03:33:58,370
a minute let's not go to level two. Let's go to our city manager said let's go to one and a half

2363
03:33:58,930 --> 03:34:06,490
And so we voted that night, not to go to two, but to go to one and a half, even though it ended up at two, right?

2364
03:34:06,910 --> 03:34:12,450
So it was a little bit hard to get the brain wrapped around that one.

2365
03:34:12,570 --> 03:34:18,110
But I think that for myself, I would like to see us revisit the inclusionary housing,

2366
03:34:18,190 --> 03:34:22,290
because I think that it puts the cost of inclusionary housing for

2367
03:34:22,290 --> 03:34:25,570
the rest of the people that are moving in that puts the burden on them.

2368
03:34:25,570 --> 03:34:28,830
And I'm not in favor of inclusionary housing.

2369
03:34:28,830 --> 03:34:32,390
I just think that it affects the cost of living for

2370
03:34:32,390 --> 03:34:36,850
everybody else that wants to try to be able to afford to live in that house.

2371
03:34:36,850 --> 03:34:40,910
It's the difference of whether it's $200 a month or $300 a month more.

2372
03:34:40,950 --> 03:34:42,350
Somebody's going to have to eat that.

2373
03:34:42,530 --> 03:34:48,190
So I would really like to see us revisit the inclusionary housing again.

2374
03:34:48,330 --> 03:34:53,390
Because I feel like we were supposed to go to one and a half and we went to two.

2375
03:34:53,390 --> 03:34:58,650
So I know that's something that we've already voted on, but I think that I would personally

2376
03:34:58,650 --> 03:35:00,770
I'd like to have some more conversation on that.

2377
03:35:01,290 --> 03:35:07,070
Would also like to see the City Council direct staff to amend the general plan and parks

2378
03:35:07,070 --> 03:35:10,690
and recreation master plan to allow for smaller parks for a couple of reasons.

2379
03:35:12,930 --> 03:35:18,910
Water is a big issue, you know, and if we're going to build big parks with big grass areas

2380
03:35:18,910 --> 03:35:24,330
with fertilizers and sprinkler systems and all the considerations that go behind that.

2381
03:35:25,310 --> 03:35:32,630
I'm just open to the idea of smaller theme parks where you know you've got some pickleball courts.

2382
03:35:32,810 --> 03:35:35,030
You got more concrete and less maintenance perhaps.

2383
03:35:35,350 --> 03:35:41,390
I know I like grass in my neighborhood park but we also like pickleball.

2384
03:35:41,510 --> 03:35:48,810
I mean they just put a basketball court in my neighborhood park which a lot of people were upset about but I can tell you I've got a bunch of kids that

2385
03:35:48,810 --> 03:36:18,750
that come over to my house from back of hide just about daily and they're really excited about having a basketball court, you know, down the street that they don't have to go, what 12 blocks or what 10 12 blocks away over to orchard to, you know, to play there so I like the idea of maybe diversifying some of our parks and providing some of these other things that other people like to do not everybody has a dog that they want to walk not everybody has grass that they want to walk around

2386
03:36:18,750 --> 03:36:23,630
some people just want a pathway around a park to be able to walk on.

2387
03:36:23,810 --> 03:36:29,370
So I think it's really worth looking at maintenance, what it costs to maintain these parks.

2388
03:36:29,970 --> 03:36:39,630
And I think so my thing is that I think that we should really take a look at the master plan.

2389
03:36:41,530 --> 03:36:47,710
Take another look at inclusionary housing and find out really if that's affordable for us or not,

2390
03:36:47,710 --> 03:36:51,330
Not because I think that puts the burden on people that want to move in there.

2391
03:36:51,570 --> 03:37:02,450
Still taking a look at making these more affordable, making affordable housing through making good choices and not putting a burden of 10% on.

2392
03:37:02,570 --> 03:37:08,670
I think that's way out of line and these parks, we're talking about adding our fees onto parks right now.

2393
03:37:09,250 --> 03:37:17,590
I could be wrong on my numbers, but I think that it's somewhere between adding perhaps another $30,000 on our development fees for

2394
03:37:17,590 --> 03:37:23,190
for future parks, well here's a way to knock some of those numbers back down in my opinion.

2395
03:37:23,250 --> 03:37:27,390
You guys have to excuse me, I'm not super educated in all these areas, you know, I'm just

2396
03:37:27,890 --> 03:37:33,730
speaking off of the cuff, but I think that that's a way to maybe start reducing some of

2397
03:37:33,730 --> 03:37:40,010
the costs of these parks on what they cost to build them, put sprinklers in them, maintain

2398
03:37:40,010 --> 03:37:44,230
them, unload lawn mowers, weed eaters, blowers, all that kind of stuff.

2399
03:37:44,230 --> 03:37:57,510
So, that's my vote for that and that there's one other area in the children parcel and that is the carol way through put.

2400
03:37:58,070 --> 03:37:59,570
Yeah, the carol way through put.

2401
03:38:00,630 --> 03:38:05,470
Yeah, that's what I meant earlier when I was talking about option B, I'm in favor of option B.

2402
03:38:06,050 --> 03:38:12,310
Just because I think knowing that I live up off of North Alamo and the speed limits 25 miles an hour

2403
03:38:12,310 --> 03:38:15,690
and everybody is doing 45 to 60 on that street.

2404
03:38:16,450 --> 03:38:18,910
On a pretty regular basis, I mean pretty much daily,

2405
03:38:19,210 --> 03:38:21,830
and we're gonna get the same thing happening over here,

2406
03:38:22,230 --> 03:38:24,130
and I agree with Councilman Richie

2407
03:38:24,130 --> 03:38:27,390
that it just adds a new level of danger to.

2408
03:38:28,690 --> 03:38:30,990
And people are gonna use it for a bypass

2409
03:38:30,990 --> 03:38:32,710
to get over to Kilkenny Road.

2410
03:38:34,250 --> 03:38:38,690
So yeah, I'm not in favor of a, that's me.

2411
03:38:38,690 --> 03:38:42,430
I'm going to call on Councilmember Wiley, even though your life's not on.

2412
03:38:44,390 --> 03:38:44,870
Thank you.

2413
03:38:45,130 --> 03:38:46,190
Do I need to push the button then?

2414
03:38:46,330 --> 03:38:47,570
No, I will push it.

2415
03:38:47,570 --> 03:38:49,070
I was expecting to come down the road.

2416
03:38:49,230 --> 03:38:49,630
Thank you.

2417
03:38:50,290 --> 03:38:50,430
All right.

2418
03:38:50,510 --> 03:38:51,390
Thanks for the information.

2419
03:38:51,850 --> 03:38:53,470
I will address the key points.

2420
03:38:53,930 --> 03:39:00,550
But I want to say that, you know, our decision tonight is a very important decision because we

2421
03:39:00,550 --> 03:39:04,530
made the decision to open up the urban reserve.

2422
03:39:04,950 --> 03:39:08,750
And we didn't open it up to have more of everything that we've always had.

2423
03:39:08,750 --> 03:39:14,590
We wanted to be very clear, we wanted something that was best for Vackville in the long run.

2424
03:39:15,210 --> 03:39:22,910
And the other thing we are kind of second guessing, how did we get where we were in the water, how did they make that decision, why didn't they make that decision years ago?

2425
03:39:23,410 --> 03:39:32,330
So in 20 years from now, are people going to be looking at our council and say, why did they make that decision, why didn't they do this, how could they have not thought ahead?

2426
03:39:32,330 --> 03:39:39,350
So it is really an important decision and I don't know all the answers, but I want to

2427
03:39:39,350 --> 03:39:44,550
do what's best for Vacaville now and the Vacaville in the future.

2428
03:39:44,930 --> 03:39:49,250
So I think that it's really a big important decision.

2429
03:39:50,110 --> 03:39:56,830
So I will say that in this past weekend we had a big event in Magnolia Park thanks to

2430
03:39:56,830 --> 03:40:00,510
Miss Joan and our South Town Collaborative Neighborhood Association.

2431
03:40:00,810 --> 03:40:06,690
And it was wonderful because there were so many people and this event was for family fun.

2432
03:40:06,990 --> 03:40:12,930
And there were kids all the time, not just from the area but from all over Vacaville.

2433
03:40:13,170 --> 03:40:14,450
Because I asked them, do you live here?

2434
03:40:14,570 --> 03:40:17,750
No, I live by B-Lard, no, I live by Alamo Park, no, I live here.

2435
03:40:18,110 --> 03:40:21,490
So other people do come to the parks, not just the neighborhood.

2436
03:40:22,090 --> 03:40:24,990
We had our event here, there were people playing basketball.

2437
03:40:24,990 --> 03:40:28,450
all the shelter houses were full of people having other parties.

2438
03:40:28,950 --> 03:40:34,310
The Marines were in the open space doing these, I don't know what the Marines were doing,

2439
03:40:34,570 --> 03:40:35,770
but they were in the park too.

2440
03:40:35,890 --> 03:40:43,210
So it was the neighborhood park fully utilized and everyone talked about Vacaville and their

2441
03:40:43,210 --> 03:40:43,930
great parks.

2442
03:40:44,430 --> 03:40:48,430
So I don't want to think what these parks are just for this neighborhood.

2443
03:40:49,090 --> 03:40:54,530
so I have support keeping with our general plan, parks plan.

2444
03:40:55,090 --> 03:41:00,130
I do like to plan about sharing the space and having maybe a pickle bar here and barbecue

2445
03:41:00,130 --> 03:41:05,990
and family thing here, but I do feel like I've been to that little pocket car in South

2446
03:41:05,990 --> 03:41:10,950
town and it's not very useful, so I support the parks, that's number one.

2447
03:41:10,950 --> 03:41:19,250
And number two, looking at Lockpadden, I think we should do the buffer area because maybe

2448
03:41:19,250 --> 03:41:21,890
in 20 years, they want to extend the road.

2449
03:41:22,130 --> 03:41:26,830
And I don't think that we should close that option just because we think Lockpadden

2450
03:41:26,830 --> 03:41:30,630
now doesn't want it, and it doesn't cost anything more to make a buffer zone.

2451
03:41:30,830 --> 03:41:31,930
So that's that thing.

2452
03:41:32,330 --> 03:41:39,690
And then the road illustration really has, is a big decision too.

2453
03:41:39,690 --> 03:41:45,730
And when I initially look at it, I immediately go to B because it makes more sense you're

2454
03:41:45,730 --> 03:41:51,650
not going to have a through way and then people would be going slower because I can see

2455
03:41:51,650 --> 03:41:57,450
them going from fry road to leisure town and leisure town up there and then eventually

2456
03:41:57,450 --> 03:42:03,110
care away as well because I live in that area and I know how people drive on leisure town

2457
03:42:03,110 --> 03:42:03,430
road.

2458
03:42:03,430 --> 03:42:07,090
But we do have, Jackson Road was like that.

2459
03:42:07,530 --> 03:42:12,670
A really a lot of people going through on Jackson Road until Foxboro Parkway went through.

2460
03:42:13,090 --> 03:42:15,390
Now there's a lot of people in Foxboro Parkway.

2461
03:42:15,790 --> 03:42:19,730
My house is right there, I hear them go too fast, I get calls from everyone.

2462
03:42:20,630 --> 03:42:25,110
But probably it's safer than having them wind through the neighborhood because the issue

2463
03:42:25,110 --> 03:42:30,550
with the option B, they're going to be going fast and people are going to think, oh, I'm

2464
03:42:30,550 --> 03:42:34,730
safe because it's right in front of my house and they're supposed to go slow.

2465
03:42:35,410 --> 03:42:41,330
So I'm going to say I'm for option A, even though I was initially going for option B.

2466
03:42:41,710 --> 03:42:47,250
Because that's Redstone Parkway, that's Foxboro Parkway, that's Jackson Road.

2467
03:42:47,570 --> 03:42:50,550
And I think that's just going to be the road between the two.

2468
03:42:51,070 --> 03:42:56,130
And it's for vehicle miles traveled and it's for efficiency.

2469
03:42:56,970 --> 03:42:58,690
And it's also to keep the park together.

2470
03:42:58,690 --> 03:43:05,930
So, and inclusionary housing, this is the big thing, this is the time to do it.

2471
03:43:06,250 --> 03:43:11,870
If we don't do it now, when we opened up the urban reserve, it wasn't part of it, but

2472
03:43:11,870 --> 03:43:17,130
was that guiding principle says an integrated neighborhood of mixed affordability.

2473
03:43:17,870 --> 03:43:22,950
And it didn't say 10%, so I understand why there might have been some concern.

2474
03:43:23,270 --> 03:43:25,190
And I'm not saying it has to be 10%.

2475
03:43:25,190 --> 03:43:30,870
But I do not want to let go of that at this time because it is so important.

2476
03:43:31,370 --> 03:43:33,010
And that also ties into the park.

2477
03:43:33,250 --> 03:43:38,870
If we have smaller homes, on smaller lots, people want to be outside, and they need to

2478
03:43:38,870 --> 03:43:40,490
be able to have parks to enjoy them.

2479
03:43:42,580 --> 03:43:42,940
Thank you.

2480
03:43:43,900 --> 03:43:47,660
And I'll wrap the comments up as succinct as I can.

2481
03:43:48,180 --> 03:43:51,160
I believe the park minimum standards are great.

2482
03:43:51,160 --> 03:43:56,160
The right city staff has done an excellent job over the years to allow development to conform.

2483
03:43:56,800 --> 03:44:02,920
But the truth is my desire was really to see builders build turnkey parks, right?

2484
03:44:03,300 --> 03:44:05,600
And so ultimately that's what we want.

2485
03:44:05,740 --> 03:44:11,080
We want meeting places and whether we call them themed or not.

2486
03:44:11,320 --> 03:44:14,520
That could be up to interpretation.

2487
03:44:15,240 --> 03:44:16,380
But what is a neighborhood park?

2488
03:44:16,380 --> 03:44:22,800
It's not designed to be a park where all the sports is taking place.

2489
03:44:22,860 --> 03:44:23,800
It's supposed to be for the neighborhoods.

2490
03:44:24,680 --> 03:44:27,740
But when there's six acres, we program them like they're city parks.

2491
03:44:28,640 --> 03:44:34,420
And the truth is, is I have to get in a car and drive out of a neighborhood to get to a neighborhood park.

2492
03:44:34,920 --> 03:44:36,440
I would love to have a two-acre park.

2493
03:44:36,820 --> 03:44:38,400
I'd love to have a place to stop.

2494
03:44:38,620 --> 03:44:43,580
And so part of the challenge is I see it as a portraying to create neighborhoods

2495
03:44:43,580 --> 03:44:51,800
that are more densely populated with different housing types, we need to give development some creativity.

2496
03:44:52,400 --> 03:44:55,180
I remember early on, I said, be creative, surprises.

2497
03:44:56,080 --> 03:44:59,960
And if everything looks the same, there's no creativity, and there's clearly no-

2498
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:29,980
There's nothing different. And I think everyone has good intentions on this from staff and from development. But I'm interested and curious on how we could actually have something that's exciting for that young workforce. For the youth that are saying, I have nowhere to live. I don't want a big house. I really need just 1100 square foot. I need the portofinos. I need the different kinds of housing. This is, I like that. And if there's more of them and they're more affordable, we begin to start solving

2499
03:45:29,980 --> 03:45:34,340
involving some of our workforce attainable, missing middle, you pick the acronym housing.

2500
03:45:35,280 --> 03:45:43,420
There's other ways to address income issues, but part of the drivers isn't all about deed restriction.

2501
03:45:43,780 --> 03:45:49,920
We have programs for that, but to create that does put the burden on the rest of the development.

2502
03:45:50,320 --> 03:45:56,520
And so we can have different opinions, but at the same time I think most of us would agree.

2503
03:45:56,520 --> 03:45:59,040
How do we help those who can't afford it?

2504
03:45:59,400 --> 03:46:04,420
Part of it is raising the ability for people to have livable and earning wages.

2505
03:46:05,280 --> 03:46:08,320
But at the same time, have more of those housing types.

2506
03:46:08,860 --> 03:46:10,960
So we don't have enough stock in what we're doing.

2507
03:46:11,160 --> 03:46:16,760
And so that becomes the number one goal is to get the housing stock for all those creative types.

2508
03:46:18,960 --> 03:46:22,020
And so that's some of the answers on the inclusionary housing.

2509
03:46:22,020 --> 03:46:27,520
I just think that it's the, it's the, where's the incentive to actually get what we want?

2510
03:46:27,700 --> 03:46:34,020
I believe what we want is more of those types and we have to zone properly and we have

2511
03:46:34,020 --> 03:46:40,940
to incentivize those and a policy disincentivizes the very thing that I think that we're all wanting.

2512
03:46:42,040 --> 03:46:50,820
Carol away, the, as far as the corridor, I've seen too many terminus corridors around town

2513
03:46:50,820 --> 03:46:59,820
in my career, they're everywhere, and they don't get built, they mean well, but it also is a tension

2514
03:46:59,820 --> 03:47:05,040
point within the neighborhood, and then later on the tension is, well, we don't want that to go

2515
03:47:05,040 --> 03:47:12,320
through. I like the idea of identifying the developments that are personable, and sometimes they're segmented

2516
03:47:12,320 --> 03:47:18,080
in ways that create that connection and cohesiveness, and so I don't believe that we need to do that,

2517
03:47:18,080 --> 03:47:21,380
because that puts the burden on developers simply for the future.

2518
03:47:21,580 --> 03:47:26,540
I get it. Could it be annexed in the future? Yes, but I also believe that we've heard

2519
03:47:26,540 --> 03:47:31,120
passionately from the lock pad and community that they really don't want that.

2520
03:47:31,340 --> 03:47:37,160
And so that just becomes that feeling over them that you're just going to do what you always

2521
03:47:37,160 --> 03:47:38,560
do and you're going to annex us.

2522
03:47:39,180 --> 03:47:46,520
The other I think in the children property, if you could go to that on the, if it's up

2523
03:47:46,520 --> 03:47:54,300
there. Option B, for me, my years of experience tells me option A, you build it. The shortcut

2524
03:47:54,300 --> 03:47:59,880
just becomes the throughput traffic. And so you inadvertently take a collector and you

2525
03:47:59,880 --> 03:48:03,960
turn it into a sub-artorial. It's just the way traffic works.

2526
03:48:06,420 --> 03:48:08,860
My profession, you get speed,

2527
03:48:09,260 --> 03:48:16,140
it's not designed for it. I understand it meets the criteria VMT. The reality is is when

2528
03:48:16,140 --> 03:48:21,060
And you're this far away from a freeway, and everyone has a car, BMT becomes a state

2529
03:48:21,060 --> 03:48:24,860
issue in high-dense areas, and it doesn't work in all of our residential areas.

2530
03:48:25,580 --> 03:48:31,620
I think that what you get in this particular design is, I see walkability, I see facades,

2531
03:48:31,800 --> 03:48:36,640
I see smaller meeting points where people don't have to walk three-quarters of a mile to a

2532
03:48:36,640 --> 03:48:36,860
park.

2533
03:48:37,220 --> 03:48:42,580
And so, if it means being flexible, fine ways to be flexible is two acres the minimum,

2534
03:48:45,080 --> 03:48:45,760
probably

2535
03:48:45,760 --> 03:48:47,740
for all minus the parking lots, two and a half.

2536
03:48:48,020 --> 03:48:49,960
And so maybe there's a happy medium in there somewhere.

2537
03:48:50,620 --> 03:48:56,180
But I really don't believe that option B creates harm,

2538
03:48:56,560 --> 03:48:58,900
even if there was busing to go through there.

2539
03:48:59,680 --> 03:49:02,240
It just, I think it's safer and it creates

2540
03:49:02,660 --> 03:49:05,440
a more lived experience on Carole Lake South.

2541
03:49:07,100 --> 03:49:13,800
And I think, and then lastly is appreciate staff

2542
03:49:13,800 --> 03:49:16,360
coming to us because we need to get through this

2543
03:49:16,360 --> 03:49:21,500
because some of this is policy driven and you know obviously part of what

2544
03:49:21,500 --> 03:49:25,880
staff is doing is policy compliance and here tonight I hope that this was an

2545
03:49:25,880 --> 03:49:29,960
exercise we're not all the same and how this plays out we don't we haven't

2546
03:49:29,960 --> 03:49:34,600
answered all the policies but I would support coming back with amended policy

2547
03:49:34,600 --> 03:49:40,620
especially in the parks again I don't even have a park that I can I can walk a mile

2548
03:49:40,620 --> 03:49:44,420
loop and I don't even come across a park so I like the idea of smaller more

2549
03:49:44,420 --> 03:49:46,280
intimate neighborhoods and being creative.

2550
03:49:47,120 --> 03:49:50,540
And I know that there is a couple more comments.

2551
03:49:51,360 --> 03:49:52,040
Vice Mayor Chattano.

2552
03:49:52,500 --> 03:49:52,860
Thank you.

2553
03:49:53,610 --> 03:49:54,960
You brought to mind something.

2554
03:49:55,360 --> 03:49:57,680
I'll stay on that slide.

2555
03:49:58,480 --> 03:50:01,100
Option B, it's what I said I supported.

2556
03:50:01,640 --> 03:50:07,680
I was supporting the routing of the road around not

2557
03:50:07,680 --> 03:50:08,820
the small parts.

2558
03:50:09,060 --> 03:50:12,020
OK, I just need to clarify that.

2559
03:50:12,910 --> 03:50:13,480
Yeah, that's right.

2560
03:50:13,480 --> 03:50:16,020
because you wanted to keep the policy on the parks,

2561
03:50:17,020 --> 03:50:18,560
but you're okay with the routing.

2562
03:50:19,360 --> 03:50:19,480
Yes.

2563
03:50:19,760 --> 03:50:19,880
That'll be,

2564
03:50:23,150 --> 03:50:25,730
and Council Member Stockton.

2565
03:50:26,370 --> 03:50:29,510
Yes, I appreciate everybody's comments

2566
03:50:30,330 --> 03:50:33,870
and I agree that there is a need for clarity.

2567
03:50:34,210 --> 03:50:36,790
I think only with clarity can we really give everyone

2568
03:50:36,790 --> 03:50:39,670
involved realistic expectations about how we're going to move forward.

2569
03:50:40,170 --> 03:50:42,070
So I guess my question is I know that we're just making

2570
03:50:42,070 --> 03:50:45,310
a recommendation today, but I mean,

2571
03:50:45,310 --> 03:51:02,250
Do we just like show a hands on each of these issues so that we get very clear direction to them on what to include or not include moving forward with because I feel like it's pretty ambiguous and I can see why there's a need for clarity because they're almost polar opposing views on some of these issues.

2572
03:51:02,250 --> 03:51:09,690
And so, how do we provide a recommendation today to staff so that they can work with the

2573
03:51:09,690 --> 03:51:15,430
development community and create that clarity and realistic expectations on how to move

2574
03:51:15,430 --> 03:51:15,750
forward?

2575
03:51:16,310 --> 03:51:21,910
Because I feel like the stuff needs to come back to be codified for further conversation.

2576
03:51:22,390 --> 03:51:30,210
But, so, and maybe the way to do this is have staff, I mean, from your perspective, have

2577
03:51:30,210 --> 03:51:38,550
have you received enough input based upon council's direction tonight? What have you heard? Because I have some notes,

2578
03:51:41,530 --> 03:51:46,770
right, I see that's that's staff's recommendation, but what we're getting is is council's input tonight.

2579
03:51:47,350 --> 03:51:51,850
And what I've tracked so far is that the majority of council would like to see flexibility in the parks.

2580
03:51:51,850 --> 03:52:06,450
The majority of Council prefers option B on both of the plans, and the majority of Council with regards to inclusionary housing would like us to focus on, how do we get more missing metal to address that?

2581
03:52:08,820 --> 03:52:20,220
Instead of having a specific percentage that has to be dedicated, focus more on trying to get missing metal housing, work for housing.

2582
03:52:21,640 --> 03:52:25,180
That's what I know, so that's consistent with what I think.

2583
03:52:25,260 --> 03:52:25,800
Thank you for that.

2584
03:52:25,980 --> 03:52:28,200
That's exactly what I wanted to make sure we had.

2585
03:52:29,300 --> 03:52:30,680
And that's the direction that we need.

2586
03:52:31,000 --> 03:52:31,160
Sorry.

2587
03:52:31,860 --> 03:52:32,320
Yes, you can.

2588
03:52:32,620 --> 03:52:33,520
That's why we're so fired.

2589
03:52:33,940 --> 03:52:40,660
So is that lead to a certain percentage in your guys' perception of housing?

2590
03:52:41,460 --> 03:52:48,300
I think that's something that we will be able to work with that developer team on is to figure out.

2591
03:52:48,300 --> 03:53:02,060
Because there is a portion that the Donaldson is committed to, which is six acres, but there is still much more work to do on the draft land use plan that would identify where you're expecting to see some of that missing middle housing throughout the land use plan.

2592
03:53:02,200 --> 03:53:13,380
And that's probably where it's all going to come together, how much of the land use plan is going to show those specific zoning or general plan entities that would lend themselves to more of the missing middle housing.

2593
03:53:13,380 --> 03:53:18,080
So, what we're hearing is, instead of focusing on a percentage for affordable housing,

2594
03:53:18,560 --> 03:53:22,300
get more of that missing middle housing that is more attainable.

2595
03:53:22,540 --> 03:53:24,240
Does that mean no affordable housing?

2596
03:53:25,460 --> 03:53:31,740
Well, as I mentioned, the Donaldson properties committed at least to the six acre site within the property.

2597
03:53:32,300 --> 03:53:34,160
I'm going to answer the question a little bit differently.

2598
03:53:34,540 --> 03:53:38,460
The majority of the council did not support imposing and inclusionary housing requirement.

2599
03:53:39,060 --> 03:53:42,480
I did hear pretty much every council member say that one of the biggest concerns

2600
03:53:42,480 --> 03:53:45,260
is burdening future homeowners, who are the market rate homeowners.

2601
03:53:45,860 --> 03:53:49,180
And so something staff can take from this conversation is a talk to the

2602
03:53:49,180 --> 03:53:54,000
developers I'd like to, but what would it take to do some affordable units in

2603
03:53:54,000 --> 03:53:57,460
a way that in a manner that would not affect those new homeowners?

2604
03:53:57,680 --> 03:54:00,780
And that's something that is actually part of the work we're doing on the

2605
03:54:00,780 --> 03:54:04,140
inclusionary housing ordinance and a separate little silo is looking very much at

2606
03:54:04,140 --> 03:54:06,200
that issue of home ownership inclusionary.

2607
03:54:06,320 --> 03:54:08,320
But again, we heard the majority loud and clear.

2608
03:54:08,320 --> 03:54:15,800
But isn't all, sorry, I'm speaking out loud now, but isn't all costs passed on to the homeowners regardless?

2609
03:54:16,980 --> 03:54:21,920
All the costs of, yes, I mean, yes, that's.

2610
03:54:22,260 --> 03:54:30,260
And so I mean, sorry, sorry guys, and I'll shut up after this, but I just, I have this theme on my mind like where we value parts, right?

2611
03:54:30,300 --> 03:54:37,960
So we're willing to take on that cost as homeowners for a park, but we're not willing to take on some type of additional cost.

2612
03:54:37,960 --> 03:54:42,960
If that's what clearly is being said, the developers aren't going to take the hit, they're going to pass that cost on.

2613
03:54:43,420 --> 03:54:51,340
So we're willing to take that, we value parks, but we don't value people working class, entry level, people.

2614
03:54:52,100 --> 03:55:00,880
And making sure that we actually have facilities, the spaces that are in, that are graying in there, that we make sure they're able to be accessible, this is my comment.

2615
03:55:00,880 --> 03:55:08,300
I appreciate what you're saying to clarify my position is instead of having, you know,

2616
03:55:08,440 --> 03:55:15,340
focusing on the inclusionary policy, I would rather the direction be work with the developers

2617
03:55:15,340 --> 03:55:21,580
to create more housing types that are the workforce, that is the 1100 square foot.

2618
03:55:21,720 --> 03:55:27,920
I lived with, you know, married with two children in just around 11, you know, almost under

2619
03:55:27,920 --> 03:55:33,840
1200 square foot for years we need more of that and so how can we incentivize the

2620
03:55:33,840 --> 03:55:39,520
portofinos that are intimate so that it is more affordable but it's not

2621
03:55:39,520 --> 03:55:43,140
necessarily doing it through an inclusionary policy it's doing it because we're

2622
03:55:43,140 --> 03:55:47,760
increasing the volume of the things that we do not have and that's what I want to

2623
03:55:47,760 --> 03:55:51,340
focus on and so I don't disagree and I don't want to I don't mean to say it in a

2624
03:55:51,340 --> 03:55:56,620
way that somehow the parks important but the people are not just the opposite it's

2625
03:55:56,620 --> 03:56:00,340
It's just the process of how I feel that we can get there, and I respect it.

2626
03:56:02,320 --> 03:56:04,480
And I think Council Member Richie.

2627
03:56:05,880 --> 03:56:07,200
Probably some of that.

2628
03:56:07,900 --> 03:56:13,400
Something actually, when Council Member Silva called up Tamran and Don, and

2629
03:56:14,120 --> 03:56:18,760
the comments actually, those last comments come forward, Mayor Crowley said, it really touched me.

2630
03:56:19,940 --> 03:56:26,980
So I just did the quick math, it's attainable, the number as of last month in America.

2631
03:56:28,120 --> 03:56:32,280
For people buying houses, it's 55 years old, it's the average purchaser.

2632
03:56:32,760 --> 03:56:36,260
It's moved so far away from affordability, it's crazy.

2633
03:56:37,120 --> 03:56:40,200
That risk of the $780,000 houses is very scary.

2634
03:56:40,840 --> 03:56:41,900
But I did the math.

2635
03:56:42,700 --> 03:56:51,420
Sloan County's AMI 80% number, what Marist talked about, $1,500, we can do it.

2636
03:56:51,960 --> 03:56:57,460
You will qualify for a house at $412,000 at $1,700 square feet.

2637
03:56:57,460 --> 03:57:03,680
at 80% of this slotted county AMI, I did them at the 7.5% 30 or fixed, with 3.5% down.

2638
03:57:04,320 --> 03:57:07,460
They could build a trust fund in lieu of money.

2639
03:57:07,820 --> 03:57:15,080
They could put money to help with the down payment of 3.5% is $14,000 for certain houses.

2640
03:57:15,440 --> 03:57:18,100
After the person moves refinances, it goes back into the till.

2641
03:57:18,680 --> 03:57:19,800
You can make this happen.

2642
03:57:20,040 --> 03:57:21,860
I do this every day in my other job.

2643
03:57:22,420 --> 03:57:24,000
It's available as possible.

2644
03:57:24,000 --> 03:57:29,980
We need to find ways to have people understand they can afford back to feel the new jobs are coming here.

2645
03:57:30,120 --> 03:57:38,900
It can happen at 80% AMI in our city if we just do exactly what Merissette, a leather hard square feet to finance square feet,

2646
03:57:39,560 --> 03:57:46,100
put them in a beautiful community where they are around other people, they can walk to parts, walk to fun, that's what they need.

2647
03:57:46,880 --> 03:57:52,940
Like we can do it and like, I mean, put me in the room with these developers and I won't come out until we're done, like I'm telling you,

2648
03:57:52,940 --> 03:57:57,980
And we won't need a force in A&M, because you're in housing on, we can make them get it done.

2649
03:57:58,640 --> 03:58:01,600
Like, capitals and like, water is going to flow and they'll find a way.

2650
03:58:01,820 --> 03:58:03,760
They won't make money in the city, we'll get it done.

2651
03:58:04,540 --> 03:58:05,440
And that's my point.

2652
03:58:06,060 --> 03:58:06,700
Yeah, thank you.

2653
03:58:07,840 --> 03:58:08,500
Councilmember Freeman.

2654
03:58:09,120 --> 03:58:09,260
Yeah.

2655
03:58:10,540 --> 03:58:19,340
I would like to just on top of what Councilman Silva had to say about parts over people, I completely agree with that.

2656
03:58:19,340 --> 03:58:40,860
I mean, that's why I made the comments that I did about smaller parts or, you know, and I remember a while back, I was listening to or reading something I can't remember, but it was the young professionals that are coming up, they're trying to get their foot in the door and get out on their own and move out of their parents basements and bedrooms and all this type of thing.

2657
03:58:40,860 --> 03:58:42,960
They don't care much about parks.

2658
03:58:43,700 --> 03:58:46,880
They want to live in a three or four or five store unit.

2659
03:58:47,100 --> 03:58:48,080
It's got a wait room in it.

2660
03:58:48,180 --> 03:58:49,080
It's got a couple of pools.

2661
03:58:49,300 --> 03:58:51,420
It's got a place to play pool.

2662
03:58:51,660 --> 03:58:52,980
They want to have some entertainment.

2663
03:58:53,620 --> 03:58:56,740
And if we're building those types of places,

2664
03:58:57,100 --> 03:58:58,300
and we're building a lot of them,

2665
03:58:58,440 --> 03:59:01,260
then that's going to bring the price down, in my opinion,

2666
03:59:01,680 --> 03:59:04,720
and make it a place where the workforce up and coming

2667
03:59:05,240 --> 03:59:06,740
new generations want to live.

2668
03:59:06,880 --> 03:59:09,460
They want to live close to public transportation.

2669
03:59:09,460 --> 03:59:22,360
It's a lot of them don't even want to have a vehicle anymore because the cost and the burden of that is so expensive, so, you know, again, you know, we're not too far from the rail tracks out there, you know, and I'm just thinking way into the future, but these are.

2670
03:59:23,140 --> 03:59:28,520
I think what is important to people is not to the younger generation is not to have a park.

2671
03:59:28,940 --> 03:59:32,420
A lot of people just want to place to take their dogs, where the dogs can poop, right?

2672
03:59:32,420 --> 03:59:36,300
I mean, really, you know, that's what a lot of people use the park sport.

2673
03:59:36,720 --> 03:59:41,140
But I think a lot of this younger generation is more interested in having a place that

2674
03:59:41,140 --> 03:59:47,060
they can call their own than they are in visiting a neighborhood park that adds $30,000, $40,000

2675
03:59:47,060 --> 03:59:54,640
on to the cost of a building permit, you know, so I just wanted to jump in on that.

2676
03:59:56,460 --> 03:59:59,960
And last comment on this, I think, goes to...

2677
04:00:02,720 --> 04:00:29,980
I am glad that we kind of had this discussion to see how it was perceived of our comments. Because I hope that the last hour doesn't mean we're just going to be in the same place where we started. I mean, when you say flexibility parks, are we saying, well, their parks look fine now because they're flexible? Or do we have any other thing for flexibility parks? And did we also just kick in? Now we have to do a general plan.

2678
04:00:29,980 --> 04:00:39,980
the plan amendment to parks, which means that's going to add a lot to the timeline, because if we're saying they're going to be flexible, then we have to do a general plan amendment, which takes time.

2679
04:00:41,220 --> 04:00:49,700
And then our next item is diff, so I think we're going to hear we can't build these because your fees are too high and we just can't possibly build these.

2680
04:00:50,000 --> 04:00:57,980
So I don't want to end up the same place we started at nine o'clock. That's my comments. I don't want to hear we can't build it.

2681
04:00:59,280 --> 04:01:01,880
I appreciate it. I think that they shouldn't build it.

2682
04:01:03,600 --> 04:01:06,480
We'd like to recess. Yeah. What we're going to do now is we're

2683
04:01:06,480 --> 04:01:09,640
going to take a break. I appreciate that. If you received

2684
04:01:09,640 --> 04:01:14,280
everything and just work with the developers and we'll go back to

2685
04:01:14,280 --> 04:01:18,360
let's be creative. Let's let's accomplish what it is that we know

2686
04:01:18,360 --> 04:01:21,660
that we all want together. Everyone's opinion on this council

2687
04:01:21,660 --> 04:01:24,440
is important. I appreciate it. So thank you. We're going to

2688
04:01:24,440 --> 04:01:25,500
stand in recess for tenants.

2689
04:01:29,670 --> 04:01:31,130
The project coordinator in

2690
04:01:31,130 --> 04:01:32,710
and Aaron Morris, community development director

2691
04:01:32,710 --> 04:01:34,150
to provide a presentation.

2692
04:01:34,770 --> 04:01:36,130
Terrific, thank you, Georgian.

2693
04:01:36,550 --> 04:01:38,330
I'll skip the introductions,

2694
04:01:38,330 --> 04:01:42,850
but my right hand here with Gwen coming back

2695
04:01:42,850 --> 04:01:44,990
and being our special project coordinator on this,

2696
04:01:45,150 --> 04:01:46,010
big shout out.

2697
04:01:46,350 --> 04:01:50,250
So good evening, Mayor and Vice Mayor and City Council members.

2698
04:01:50,610 --> 04:01:54,210
Yep, tonight is the first to two informational presentations

2699
04:01:54,210 --> 04:01:55,870
on development impact fees.

2700
04:01:56,450 --> 04:01:58,390
This presentation tonight was gonna focus

2701
04:01:58,390 --> 04:02:05,930
on the basics and the fundamentals of development impact fee programs, and with that, okay,

2702
04:02:06,010 --> 04:02:06,150
going.

2703
04:02:07,090 --> 04:02:08,150
Presentation overview.

2704
04:02:08,630 --> 04:02:13,870
We're going to go over a diff introduction, the role of city council within the diff.

2705
04:02:14,650 --> 04:02:20,650
What's the nexus study, a little bit about fee calculation and capital projects, some diff

2706
04:02:20,650 --> 04:02:25,110
history, diff model reporting, and accounting, and an overview of next steps.

2707
04:02:25,110 --> 04:02:26,030
So

2708
04:02:28,520 --> 04:02:30,600
what is a development impact fee?

2709
04:02:30,800 --> 04:02:36,000
Well, put simply, a diff fee is a tool in the funding toolkit for growing cities.

2710
04:02:36,720 --> 04:02:41,680
With a reduction in state funding, many cities desire new development to pay their own way.

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In other words, to support the proportional impact of that new development so that it is not a burden on a city's services and or infrastructure.

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There are various diff categories.

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They're all separate and unique, and earlier this evening, we went through the LLMD, and if you recall, there were very similar categories as you see here.

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04:03:07,100 --> 04:03:10,920
Parks and Recreation, Fire Police, Transportation, General Facilities, etc.

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04:03:11,740 --> 04:03:15,260
Each diff category has its own project list.

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04:03:15,980 --> 04:03:20,120
Each diff category has its own computation as to the diff fee.

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04:03:20,620 --> 04:03:21,280
It's important.

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As it relates to the Fee Mitigation Act, the California Fee Mitigation Act provides strict rules and guidelines concerning Diff programs.

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Diffees are to be levied on one-time fees, charged on new development to mitigate again the impact of the proportional impact of that particular development on the city's infrastructure or services.

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I cannot be used for fixing existing deficiencies, can't be used for operating in maintenance.

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But it's a balancing act.

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The benefits provided through the infrastructure improvements relative to diff fees are balanced

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04:04:02,030 --> 04:04:09,570
with the cost of those fees in relation to actually producing a private development project.

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04:04:10,310 --> 04:04:14,890
Sometimes those fees can be so high as to make that project infeasible.

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And so it is a balancing act between the benefits that the fees bring and that infrastructure and those improvements and the impact on development.

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04:04:26,340 --> 04:04:30,520
Real quick, some examples of projects completed with diff funding.

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04:04:30,980 --> 04:04:36,360
Again, this is not 100% diff funding. It's just one of the sources of funding for these projects.

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04:04:37,700 --> 04:04:43,000
I'll go back. This is the Pleasant Valley Detention Basin. We'll call that back in December

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04:04:43,000 --> 04:04:49,580
of last year. We provide you a screenshot of this. Here are two parks, Cordero's and

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04:04:49,580 --> 04:04:57,260
Alpange Park, Jetson Parkway. We're doing construction on phase two right now and we obviously

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04:04:57,260 --> 04:05:05,200
phase one was completed in 2019 and DeFees were associated with that. Several of you were

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04:05:05,200 --> 04:05:08,960
We're at the opening ceremony for the Public Works Administration Building.

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04:05:09,320 --> 04:05:11,860
That was completed with some diff fee funding.

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Major road crossing projects leads your town road on the left and

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Alice and Drive on the right.

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04:05:21,140 --> 04:05:23,560
A development impact fees are adopted by City Council.

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This is your role, this is the quintessential to your role.

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04:05:28,520 --> 04:05:35,300
We follow, staff follows your footsteps and following those policies that you set in place.

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04:05:35,300 --> 04:05:44,980
either by adoption of policies and standards, general plan, for example, master plans, service standards, strategic plans.

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04:05:46,020 --> 04:05:52,340
Also, we follow your lead in terms of Council's consideration and adoption of capital improvement programs.

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04:05:53,440 --> 04:06:01,220
And finally, the review and development of impact fees through Nexus study processes will look like the process we're in right now.

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04:06:01,220 --> 04:06:09,940
Those are all part and parcel of Council's role in evaluating DIF programs and those DIFs.

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04:06:12,250 --> 04:06:18,190
Using a transportation project, as an example, this slide illustrates the intersection of

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04:06:18,750 --> 04:06:23,230
actions for consideration which come before the Council relative to the DIF.

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04:06:24,210 --> 04:06:30,650
I'm using a transportation project in this slide, at the very top, you'll see that there's the general plan

2746
04:06:30,650 --> 04:06:36,210
and the transportation element that City Council approved going back to 2015.

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04:06:37,330 --> 04:06:47,330
Later, there are studies that are performed by staff and our consultants, service level policies that have been adopted through the general plan, are applied by City staff.

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04:06:48,010 --> 04:07:00,350
City staff are going through the process right now and evaluating the transportation diff and those programs, creating a project list of those lists of particular projects within that

2749
04:07:00,350 --> 04:07:05,810
transportation, DIF category, creating the cost estimates, et cetera, that feed into,

2750
04:07:05,810 --> 04:07:12,710
again, this process which we're in right now, which is the DIF update and adoption process.

2751
04:07:14,050 --> 04:07:22,750
Council approves also our CIP projects, our CIP budget, annual budget, as well as the city budget.

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04:07:23,090 --> 04:07:27,670
And as soon as we're done with this presentation, the director of finance will be providing you

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04:07:27,670 --> 04:07:32,870
do that information on the city's budget as well as the CIP budget, so Council adopts those items.

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04:07:33,590 --> 04:07:39,850
Later in the year as we go through, there is adoption of updates to the CIP project.

2755
04:07:40,390 --> 04:07:45,570
The city may gain grant funding, for example, or add in additional project to the CIP.

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04:07:46,010 --> 04:07:50,670
Those all come back to the city council for consideration of approval and acceptance.

2757
04:07:51,570 --> 04:07:57,350
City staff go through the process of project planning, design, and delivery every year.

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04:07:57,710 --> 04:08:02,530
City Council receives in December the annual deferred court every year.

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04:08:03,330 --> 04:08:05,790
And we'll go into a little bit more about that later on.

2760
04:08:06,350 --> 04:08:16,530
And then finally, one of the most present items that City Council sees is our contracting efforts.

2761
04:08:16,530 --> 04:08:26,290
I'm related to capital projects before City Council, we bring basically contracting contracts

2762
04:08:26,290 --> 04:08:33,570
for, for example, in Jefferson Parkway with a developer or excuse me, the contractor contract

2763
04:08:33,570 --> 04:08:40,090
come in that comes before City Council with a bid package that Council ultimately approves

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04:08:40,090 --> 04:08:42,150
and considers for approval.

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04:08:42,150 --> 04:08:46,590
And then later after that public infrastructure is completed,

2766
04:08:47,350 --> 04:08:51,710
those items come back to City Council again for acceptance of public improvement.

2767
04:08:52,090 --> 04:08:58,610
So those are all touch points where Council has input and relation to the DIFF program.

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04:09:00,690 --> 04:09:04,530
We're going to get into DIFF history now, DIFF model on administration and

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04:09:04,530 --> 04:09:06,110
accounting, and with that I'm going to hand it over to Gwen.

2770
04:09:11,540 --> 04:09:11,980
Good evening.

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04:09:12,720 --> 04:09:17,080
Vagabill Estelle was its first comprehensive development impact fee in 1992.

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04:09:17,080 --> 04:09:22,460
issue. That program covered a wide range of facilities impacted by new development.

2773
04:09:23,060 --> 04:09:27,740
Over the years, the city has grown and planning framework has evolved.

2774
04:09:28,300 --> 04:09:32,900
The program has also been updated to reflect new infrastructure needs and policy goals.

2775
04:09:33,400 --> 04:09:33,700
Next slide.

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04:09:35,160 --> 04:09:42,140
In 2015, the city adopted a new general plan which emphasized that new development should

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04:09:42,140 --> 04:09:49,880
pay their own way. This principle is critical in ensuring that development doesn't financially burden the city or

2778
04:09:49,880 --> 04:09:57,180
compromise levels of service. This general plan update laid the ground work for a more refined and

2779
04:09:57,180 --> 04:09:59,020
equitable approach to impact fees.

2780
04:10:01,200 --> 04:10:06,180
Following the 2015 general plan, we initiated a new Nexus study in 2022,

2781
04:10:06,180 --> 04:10:12,740
which assess the infrastructure needs tied to growth. A major update in the study was the

2782
04:10:12,740 --> 04:10:18,460
the introduction of a tiered single-family housing fee based upon the unit size, which

2783
04:10:18,460 --> 04:10:23,440
better aligned fee levels with the appropriate impacts of different size homes.

2784
04:10:25,380 --> 04:10:30,500
The 2025 refinement builds on the 2022 study.

2785
04:10:31,000 --> 04:10:37,240
It updates project cost and current with the most recent data, and brings the program into

2786
04:10:37,240 --> 04:10:42,960
compliance with AB602, which requires that fees for housing be based upon square footage

2787
04:10:42,960 --> 04:10:51,840
of a unit. This makes this program more legally defensible and teller to today's housing landscape and policies.

2788
04:10:56,340 --> 04:11:05,720
In terms of a diff model, the revenues, those diff revenue fees that the city collects and are identified through the next study.

2789
04:11:06,320 --> 04:11:15,380
The city uses what is called the Pays You Go Model. Under that Pays You Go Model, fees are paid under those diff categories,

2790
04:11:15,380 --> 04:11:17,300
to which a new project is impacting.

2791
04:11:18,160 --> 04:11:21,240
If you look at the in this slide and the upper left,

2792
04:11:21,520 --> 04:11:25,720
you can see the flow of tax as they move down and across.

2793
04:11:26,100 --> 04:11:28,100
And that's where I'm going to walk you through this.

2794
04:11:29,860 --> 04:11:37,260
Project comes in and the project touches various elements of diff categories.

2795
04:11:37,900 --> 04:11:39,440
It touches a storm drainage.

2796
04:11:39,620 --> 04:11:42,740
It touches transportation, open space, and parks.

2797
04:11:42,740 --> 04:11:51,080
projects. Project pays their fees for those particular impacts. Those fees are then essentially

2798
04:11:51,080 --> 04:11:57,540
transferred into the various fund accounts for those specific type of categories of those

2799
04:11:57,540 --> 04:12:01,860
diff categories. In this example, we're going to continue to focus on the transportation

2800
04:12:01,860 --> 04:12:08,960
fees, so it's a transportation impact fee. As it moves through the process and goes from

2801
04:12:08,960 --> 04:12:12,040
from the master fund account for the transportation fund.

2802
04:12:12,740 --> 04:12:15,120
There's a prioritization process that happens.

2803
04:12:15,420 --> 04:12:20,160
And that prioritization process is focused on the strategic alignment with city council goals.

2804
04:12:20,380 --> 04:12:27,700
Again, general plan, specific plans, policy plans that are considered and approved by city council,

2805
04:12:27,880 --> 04:12:31,160
strategic plans that are considered and approved by city council.

2806
04:12:31,760 --> 04:12:35,840
Risk and complexity is evaluated for the project as well as resource availability,

2807
04:12:35,840 --> 04:12:39,280
as well as finally project cost and project balance.

2808
04:12:39,920 --> 04:12:42,620
And what I'm trying to demonstrate at the bottom of this slide is,

2809
04:12:43,340 --> 04:12:48,340
there's not a project 1, 2, 3, 4, or not sequentially all coming in.

2810
04:12:48,680 --> 04:12:52,640
There's a prioritization process based on those particular items

2811
04:12:52,640 --> 04:12:56,420
that are just listed that shifts these projects around

2812
04:12:56,420 --> 04:12:58,400
to allow those projects to move forward.

2813
04:12:58,960 --> 04:13:01,920
I've used this example in the past, for example, Jepson Parkway.

2814
04:13:02,700 --> 04:13:08,860
One of the one of the impetus of Jepsen Parkway was the development east of Leisure Town.

2815
04:13:09,460 --> 04:13:15,600
That was a goal that the City Council had was to produce more of that housing and start to develop east of Leisure Town area.

2816
04:13:16,540 --> 04:13:23,740
You have to have a backbone infrastructure in a roadway network so that you can start to branch off that into those subdivision and developments.

2817
04:13:24,000 --> 04:13:29,380
And so a lot of that was driven and forced Jepsen Parkway to come to the forefront.

2818
04:13:29,960 --> 04:13:38,580
This process, this pay-as-you-go model, allows the city to be able to respond in those timely ways to be able to implement those big projects.

2819
04:13:40,680 --> 04:13:45,900
Again, as I mentioned, the pay-as-you-go model is the industry standard, it is used by most municipalities.

2820
04:13:46,440 --> 04:13:50,920
And on this slide here at the very bottom, these are just example municipalities.

2821
04:13:50,920 --> 04:13:59,280
Again, it's utilized as a predominant model throughout any of the cities that are utilizing

2822
04:13:59,280 --> 04:14:00,300
a DIFF program.

2823
04:14:00,900 --> 04:14:05,560
You can see the City of Fairfields in here, Vleo in Dixon, and various other municipalities.

2824
04:14:07,710 --> 04:14:13,370
In terms of DIFF accounting, the California fee mitigation act specifically defines the

2825
04:14:13,370 --> 04:14:16,350
reporting requirements for agencies operating a DIFF program.

2826
04:14:16,810 --> 04:14:20,910
There are two levels of reporting, annual reporting and fifth year reporting.

2827
04:14:20,910 --> 04:14:28,470
The City of Vacaville produces an annual report based on that fifth year higher requirement.

2828
04:14:29,210 --> 04:14:33,870
So, what the city is looking for in terms of the production of that annual report.

2829
04:14:34,090 --> 04:14:41,170
Again, what you see every year comes to you for consideration is there's a segregation of all of the Diffee categories.

2830
04:14:41,590 --> 04:14:43,210
They're all accounted for separately.

2831
04:14:43,830 --> 04:14:47,470
Current balances for every single one of those Diff categories.

2832
04:14:47,470 --> 04:14:59,870
the amount of fees that were collected in each of those categories down to the project level identification and accounting for every single project which had any dollars spent related to those.

2833
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:11,920
Diffees on those particular projects. And again, this all comes to you at that fifth level, higher level of reporting pursuant to the state of California.

2834
04:15:15,340 --> 04:15:31,900
Now we're going to talk about the Nexus Study fee calculations and capital projects. Okay. This slide highlights the legal and technical foundations behind the development impact fees. The draft 2025 Nexus Study is our primary supporting document.

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04:15:31,900 --> 04:15:38,080
It includes all the assumptions, calculations, and justifications needed to comply with the Mitigation Fee Act.

2836
04:15:38,440 --> 04:15:41,880
To be legally defensible, any fee must propose,

2837
04:15:44,000 --> 04:15:49,600
sorry, must demonstrate a clear connection or nexus between the development project and

2838
04:15:49,600 --> 04:15:53,400
the public facility or infrastructure that the fee will help fund.

2839
04:15:53,780 --> 04:16:00,260
That is why the study ties fees directly to the city's general plan, service levels,

2840
04:16:00,260 --> 04:16:02,720
capital improvement plans and cost estimate.

2841
04:16:03,120 --> 04:16:11,020
It also ensures that each fee is proportional, meaning that a development only pays its fair share of improvements needed to serve it.

2842
04:16:11,400 --> 04:16:18,920
We can't overcharge, but we can't undercharge, or we risk not being able to deliver the necessary infrastructure.

2843
04:16:22,420 --> 04:16:25,640
Now, this slide looks at how fees are actually calculated.

2844
04:16:26,020 --> 04:16:30,160
Most development impact fees follow a consistent network.

2845
04:16:30,160 --> 04:16:36,140
First, we identify which capital improvement projects are needed to serve the future growth.

2846
04:16:36,400 --> 04:16:38,480
Then we estimate the cost of the projects.

2847
04:16:38,800 --> 04:16:42,780
After that, we determine how much of those costs are attributed to new development.

2848
04:16:43,180 --> 04:16:49,680
This is critical because existing residents shouldn't pay for infrastructure required by new growth.

2849
04:16:50,100 --> 04:16:58,240
Finally, we calculate a per unit or per square footage fee that would recover growth related cost.

2850
04:16:58,240 --> 04:17:01,140
This gives us the maximum justifiable fee.

2851
04:17:01,560 --> 04:17:07,840
These inputs allow us to build a fee structure that is equitable, legal, defensible, and financially sound.

2852
04:17:09,970 --> 04:17:15,550
This slide explains how the city identifies capital projects that are included in the development impact fee.

2853
04:17:16,090 --> 04:17:22,370
The process follows a structured five-step approach that's grounded in state law and local policy.

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04:17:22,370 --> 04:17:31,650
First, we review adopted plans like the general plan, specific plans and master plans to identify long-term capital needs.

2855
04:17:32,150 --> 04:17:38,050
Next, we make sure the identified projects are consistent with our existing planned level of service.

2856
04:17:38,250 --> 04:17:50,590
This ensures that new development pays for the infrastructure needed to maintain service standards, not to upgrade or improve them beyond what the city has planned.

2857
04:17:50,590 --> 04:17:54,010
Third, we assess how growth is driving demand.

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04:17:54,390 --> 04:18:02,630
We only include projects in the diff if there's a clear connection between population or job growth and the need for those facilities.

2859
04:18:03,210 --> 04:18:08,750
Fourth, we confirm that each project qualifies as a capital improvement under state law.

2860
04:18:09,230 --> 04:18:13,050
Diff can only fund capital not operating our maintenance costs.

2861
04:18:13,570 --> 04:18:18,870
And finally, we ensure alignment with city council adoptive policies and directions.

2862
04:18:18,870 --> 04:18:27,990
This process keeps our fees both legally, legally compliant and aligned with the city's strategic priorities.

2863
04:18:31,050 --> 04:18:31,270
Okay.

2864
04:18:32,810 --> 04:18:43,430
In terms of next steps, we have a couple more public outreach meetings available to the public as well as our community or our development partners.

2865
04:18:44,230 --> 04:18:53,490
These will be held on July 15th and August 25th, and then City Council meetings coming up July 22nd.

2866
04:18:53,570 --> 04:18:56,990
We'll be talking about development impact fees 102.

2867
04:18:57,870 --> 04:19:04,350
We're going to move beyond the basics and fundamentals and start to get into the intermediate and advanced level, Diff.

2868
04:19:04,350 --> 04:19:13,990
And it's my hope that these two educational courses, informative courses, will help provide

2869
04:19:13,990 --> 04:19:20,630
the basis for you to be able to really understand the program and nuance within the Diff for

2870
04:19:20,630 --> 04:19:23,270
upcoming decisions later on in the fall.

2871
04:19:24,090 --> 04:19:29,830
In August, there will be a Diff Community Facility District CFD Policy Study Session.

2872
04:19:29,830 --> 04:19:36,330
And from that, we hope to have a very robust discussion of various policy elements related

2873
04:19:36,330 --> 04:19:40,230
to these two particular elements, the diff and CFDs.

2874
04:19:40,650 --> 04:19:46,750
What we intend to be able to garner out of those conversations that study session with

2875
04:19:46,750 --> 04:19:52,450
council will then feed into the next piece which would be coming back to city council sometime

2876
04:19:52,450 --> 04:19:59,070
probably in September with a diff-fe-update study session incorporating everything that

2877
04:19:59,070 --> 04:20:06,830
we've heard along the way starting in April of this year from the public, from our development

2878
04:20:06,830 --> 04:20:10,910
community, from you as we go through that policy study session.

2879
04:20:11,550 --> 04:20:18,210
So that finally in October or so, you'll be presented, staff will present you with

2880
04:20:18,750 --> 04:20:22,810
a resolution to consider updating the development impact fee.

2881
04:20:23,390 --> 04:20:30,670
And then finally, in terms of resources related to the diff, there are a number of resources

2882
04:20:30,670 --> 04:20:31,810
that we've been compiling.

2883
04:20:32,010 --> 04:20:35,130
And it's a living, breathing website that we've created.

2884
04:20:35,430 --> 04:20:38,830
It gets updated very regularly, located on the city's website.

2885
04:20:38,830 --> 04:20:41,950
It's the community development page, and on that community development page,

2886
04:20:41,950 --> 04:20:47,610
it's under forms and fees, and then there's a big tile that says diff update 2025.

2887
04:20:47,610 --> 04:20:55,350
5. Environmental fiscal and strategic goal, there's no impact on the environmental side

2888
04:20:55,350 --> 04:21:00,910
as a result of this action. There is no fiscal impact and as for a strategic goal, this

2889
04:21:00,910 --> 04:21:06,110
particular project touches all five of the City Council's adopted strategic goal element

2890
04:21:06,110 --> 04:21:14,250
to 1-5. The recommendation, there's no required action here. This item is for informational purposes

2891
04:21:14,250 --> 04:21:18,110
And that concludes our presentation and we'd be happy to answer any questions.

2892
04:21:19,310 --> 04:21:21,790
Thank you for bringing this to our attention.

2893
04:21:23,110 --> 04:21:27,990
I don't see any initial questions and I appreciate that there had been some explanations prior

2894
04:21:27,990 --> 04:21:32,930
to this as we're trying to better understand the process so thank you for that.

2895
04:21:33,650 --> 04:21:37,730
I'm going to go ahead and open it up to the public hands and I know that there's developers

2896
04:21:37,730 --> 04:21:40,170
in the room if there's any comments that you want to make.

2897
04:21:40,170 --> 04:21:44,910
This won't be an open-ended, so just try to keep it on point.

2898
04:22:00,720 --> 04:22:05,120
First of all, it's been, once again, I'll repeat it very burdensome process, and we're

2899
04:22:05,120 --> 04:22:08,760
looking at five months to try and get to a conclusion on this.

2900
04:22:09,860 --> 04:22:18,380
And once again, I'm going to repeat myself, and I'll ask the council, what is it that you're

2901
04:22:18,380 --> 04:22:18,860
looking for?

2902
04:22:18,980 --> 04:22:21,380
What is your goal in the type of unit you want?

2903
04:22:21,840 --> 04:22:34,260
If you want workforce housing that I heard you all talking about, we need to look at all the cost involved and not look in cylinders and fees here and parks here and that.

2904
04:22:34,440 --> 04:22:36,020
We need to look at the whole project.

2905
04:22:36,840 --> 04:22:38,240
So what does that bring me to?

2906
04:22:38,580 --> 04:22:41,520
That first of all brings me, and I'll get to the fees in just a second.

2907
04:22:41,520 --> 04:22:49,380
But I don't know why this city does not have a housing element,

2908
04:22:51,360 --> 04:22:54,300
can't even talk, element advocate.

2909
04:22:54,880 --> 04:23:01,160
In other words, we don't have anybody within the city that we can go that is working.

2910
04:23:01,380 --> 04:23:09,160
That's a staff member to try and see to it that these homes that you're looking for are attainable and

2911
04:23:09,160 --> 04:23:10,700
are buildable and unattainable.

2912
04:23:12,100 --> 04:23:15,480
Instead, we're being told that we have got to convince you.

2913
04:23:15,740 --> 04:23:16,680
It's our job.

2914
04:23:17,120 --> 04:23:22,860
I've been told that that is our job as a developer to convince you to lower the fees,

2915
04:23:23,460 --> 04:23:25,980
to make it work for the project that you want.

2916
04:23:27,680 --> 04:23:29,980
That, to me, is totally asked backwards.

2917
04:23:33,000 --> 04:23:39,600
But I wish that you would have somebody that would be an advocate within your city that was on your payroll,

2918
04:23:39,600 --> 04:23:43,340
that was talking to the different parts of your city.

2919
04:23:44,460 --> 04:23:46,400
Saying what can we do to get realistic?

2920
04:23:48,020 --> 04:23:50,720
Vince Bossy who's not here tonight had other commitments.

2921
04:23:51,000 --> 04:23:53,780
But he's been on our behalf submitting questions

2922
04:23:53,780 --> 04:23:56,400
and recommendations and everything else regarding fees.

2923
04:23:57,000 --> 04:23:59,160
And we have gotten out of the 15 or something

2924
04:23:59,160 --> 04:24:02,660
so we've gotten back two or three very minor ones.

2925
04:24:03,160 --> 04:24:05,100
We're not getting anywhere.

2926
04:24:05,960 --> 04:24:08,920
They're not working to try and lower the fees.

2927
04:24:08,920 --> 04:24:14,880
they have is they have clearly stated it is the maximum allowable by law and

2928
04:24:15,900 --> 04:24:20,060
If we want them lower do we have to get them lowered ourselves? We have to convince you

2929
04:24:20,060 --> 04:24:26,940
So that does that mean that that we have to take each one of you and sit you down and go with you maybe two at a time

2930
04:24:26,940 --> 04:24:30,880
over each one of the 64 fees that are there I

2931
04:24:32,880 --> 04:24:38,780
Was going to bring my cups out because I did bring them but I understand that everybody's gone through the the education of

2932
04:24:38,920 --> 04:24:43,920
the cups. That's the money going in and getting transferred out and into the

2933
04:24:43,920 --> 04:24:48,280
big one. So since I've heard you've already been educated I'm not going to bring

2934
04:24:48,280 --> 04:24:53,320
them out. But I am going to try and point out something. New fees are coming in

2935
04:24:53,320 --> 04:24:58,740
because they need evidently more money or they needed quicker. I don't understand

2936
04:24:58,740 --> 04:25:03,400
everything. I'm not the smartest guy in the world. But when I see a cup getting

2937
04:25:04,020 --> 04:25:24,200
requested to get filled, which has an intersection at level C. And it takes two and a half million dollars to improve level C and by their own staff's own rating when it is completed, the work is done, it's finished to open up.

2938
04:25:24,620 --> 04:25:25,840
Do you know what the level is going to be?

2939
04:25:28,160 --> 04:25:30,280
You got to read your own report, level C.

2940
04:25:31,680 --> 04:25:37,540
So, why are we putting in new projects that are going nowhere?

2941
04:25:37,720 --> 04:25:39,120
There's another intersection.

2942
04:25:41,500 --> 04:25:45,340
So, I'm going to go ahead and just cut you off at this point.

2943
04:25:45,640 --> 04:25:52,160
Here's the, I appreciate the comment, but what I do hope is that our process will be

2944
04:25:52,160 --> 04:25:59,560
able to explain where we get from the maximum allowable to what is going to be council priorities

2945
04:25:59,560 --> 04:26:03,820
I would like to get to that point, we have not been able to have that discussion.

2946
04:26:04,000 --> 04:26:06,100
We submit stuff, we're not getting stuff back.

2947
04:26:06,480 --> 04:26:11,660
We don't have anybody advocating on the city side for the housing.

2948
04:26:13,960 --> 04:26:27,240
It's our understanding than the feeling that I'm getting is that the type of housing has no correlation to the type of expenses and cost that the staff is asking us to incur.

2949
04:26:28,500 --> 04:26:39,300
So if you can give me somebody that we can talk to, that would help maybe get in between us, it might help out because we're not doing very good right now.

2950
04:26:39,760 --> 04:26:43,420
And I know a lot of people are going to be very upset at me for saying these things.

2951
04:26:44,100 --> 04:26:47,240
And I'm not as eloquent as Todd will probably come in behind me.

2952
04:26:47,560 --> 04:26:54,480
But the point being is we want to resolve it, we want to build your product, we want to do it.

2953
04:26:54,480 --> 04:27:01,640
But we got to look at costs on every level, and we got to get better cooperation of what we're getting.

2954
04:27:02,040 --> 04:27:02,620
Thank you.

2955
04:27:02,840 --> 04:27:03,680
With that, I'll sit down.

2956
04:27:04,460 --> 04:27:05,580
Appreciate it.

2957
04:27:05,580 --> 04:27:07,800
Anyone else in the public wishing to comment?

2958
04:27:09,900 --> 04:27:11,080
I see head nods.

2959
04:27:11,620 --> 04:27:12,880
We'll leave it at that.

2960
04:27:14,000 --> 04:27:14,820
Good evening.

2961
04:27:19,110 --> 04:27:27,250
Would just like to reiterate, please do not make any changes that do not benefit Vacaville.

2962
04:27:27,250 --> 04:27:36,140
So the developers came to you, this is your gang, let them pay.

2963
04:27:37,040 --> 04:27:38,400
They're not here out of charity.

2964
04:27:39,180 --> 04:27:39,740
Thank you.

2965
04:27:43,120 --> 04:28:00,320
Well, I appreciate this is the intro and hopefully there will be an opportunity in the sessions to come because I know that there's been some comments of items that are in our tiff, for example, that maybe the council may want to weigh in at a future session.

2966
04:28:00,320 --> 04:28:14,960
Because I know that that's sometimes the development community might say, if there's a percentage of what is in front of us may or may not ever be built and it's time for the council to weigh in, then I'm sure that will come to the council at some point.

2967
04:28:16,810 --> 04:28:21,930
Absolutely, Mayor. And just to address Mr. Alexander's comments really quickly.

2968
04:28:21,930 --> 04:28:29,830
Again, as I informed Council, we've had multiple meetings with developers and specifically

2969
04:28:29,830 --> 04:28:34,450
with Mr. Alexander himself, upwards of two hours of meetings.

2970
04:28:35,030 --> 04:28:40,070
Terms of staff not turning around and providing information again, I would encourage you

2971
04:28:40,070 --> 04:28:41,550
to take a look at the website.

2972
04:28:41,930 --> 04:28:43,690
It is rife with information.

2973
04:28:44,550 --> 04:28:51,210
We are rerunning the numbers and as I mentioned earlier, this is an iterative process.

2974
04:28:51,210 --> 04:28:53,450
We started in April with a draft.

2975
04:28:54,230 --> 04:28:59,090
It will not be the same thing that we are going to be presenting to council for

2976
04:28:59,090 --> 04:29:05,230
The very reason that we are having these public meetings with the developers and taking their comment and it's moving the needle.

2977
04:29:05,870 --> 04:29:09,290
We have that July 15th meeting and I hope to be able to

2978
04:29:10,170 --> 04:29:13,930
Settle some of those concerns that Mr. Alexander others have.

2979
04:29:14,310 --> 04:29:19,170
But in any case, the bottom line is we have been doing our due diligence.

2980
04:29:19,170 --> 04:29:28,010
When we come back to council and have those policy discussions and ultimately provide you the fees, you will be able to make those calls.

2981
04:29:29,050 --> 04:29:29,850
Thank you.

2982
04:29:30,050 --> 04:29:33,070
Thank you for clarifying that.

2983
04:29:33,570 --> 04:29:46,790
Along with those, I know we've talked privately prior to this meeting but just to be transparent, I am also interested in seeing what comparable diffives are within our region or anything to that effect.

2984
04:29:47,790 --> 04:29:50,310
just to make sure that we have a full sense of what's going on.

2985
04:29:50,510 --> 04:29:51,410
Thank you.

2986
04:29:52,350 --> 04:29:52,990
Appreciate it.

2987
04:29:53,030 --> 04:29:53,930
It's no action tonight.

2988
04:29:54,310 --> 04:29:55,090
This is the start.

2989
04:29:55,550 --> 04:29:56,970
So we'll go from here.

2990
04:29:57,290 --> 04:29:58,050
Thank you very much.

2991
04:29:59,250 --> 04:29:59,950
We'll move on.

2992
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:10,740
Item c. Thank you, Mayor. This last item is adoption of the budget. We've got, can, that's me, our finance director and John Colette, budget manager.

2993
04:30:35,100 --> 04:30:52,740
Good evening, Mr. Mayor, vice mayor members of the council. Next slide, please. So just starting off tonight's presentation, the option of the budget was just a brief recap of how we got here and the different meetings that took place getting up to tonight's meeting. So in addition to the quarterly budget updates, we had three study sessions.

2994
04:30:52,740 --> 04:30:56,260
The very first study session was focusing on cost savings measures.

2995
04:30:56,460 --> 04:31:00,900
Really looking at just giving the fact that we were anticipating deficit spending, the cost

2996
04:31:00,900 --> 04:31:04,160
savings measures that we would be putting in place and recommending in order to shrink

2997
04:31:04,160 --> 04:31:06,020
our deficit gap in the upcoming fiscal year.

2998
04:31:06,600 --> 04:31:10,780
The study session number two, we provided an update of where we anticipated the current

2999
04:31:10,780 --> 04:31:16,740
fiscal year to end, an updated five year forecast, and really the positive news with the current

3000
04:31:16,740 --> 04:31:21,780
year was that we are going to receive one time sales tax money, so a boost from that.

3001
04:31:21,780 --> 04:31:26,680
And so although that doesn't impact the forecast that we have of DEF's is spending going forward,

3002
04:31:26,880 --> 04:31:30,380
it does put us in a better position with the reserve going into the next fiscal year.

3003
04:31:30,940 --> 04:31:34,600
Additionally, in that study session number two, there were two items that were brought up

3004
04:31:34,600 --> 04:31:37,360
for council consideration are part of this proposed budget.

3005
04:31:37,920 --> 04:31:41,400
And that was $300,000 for a fire academy in February.

3006
04:31:41,880 --> 04:31:48,220
And then also $150,000 for a city contribution as a speed of member of capsule on a JPA.

3007
04:31:48,220 --> 04:31:52,420
And then prior to the study session number three on June 10th, the draft budget is

3008
04:31:52,420 --> 04:31:53,080
made available.

3009
04:31:53,560 --> 04:31:58,360
And that evening, we presented a summary of the operating budget, the CIP budget, and

3010
04:31:58,360 --> 04:32:02,900
then also previewed ways of enhancing our revenues in the upcoming fiscal year that we'll

3011
04:32:02,900 --> 04:32:04,960
be bringing back for discussion next slide.

3012
04:32:06,520 --> 04:32:11,240
So just an overview of the proposed budget for the upcoming fiscal year.

3013
04:32:11,380 --> 04:32:15,580
And so this is going to be the second fiscal year that the proposed budget is proposing using

3014
04:32:15,580 --> 04:32:20,500
access reserves in order to balance the budget and really by doing so, it allows us to maintain

3015
04:32:20,500 --> 04:32:26,000
or service levels and programs with the community not making some drastic cuts to those levels,

3016
04:32:26,280 --> 04:32:27,420
service levels or programs.

3017
04:32:28,080 --> 04:32:34,060
As mentioned earlier, this proposed budget also implements cost savings measures to address

3018
04:32:34,060 --> 04:32:37,980
our debts that spending gap or kind of narrow that, and then also really the key goal being

3019
04:32:37,980 --> 04:32:42,020
that at the end of the next fiscal year that we're still above our general fund reserve policy.

3020
04:32:42,020 --> 04:32:46,460
And so some of the items that were proposed was a two and a half percent cost reduction from every department,

3021
04:32:46,960 --> 04:32:51,180
pausing a majority of the measure on pilot programs with the exception of the neighborhood cleanup program,

3022
04:32:51,700 --> 04:32:55,240
and the scholarship program, and then reducing our capital funding, no

3023
04:32:55,940 --> 04:33:04,200
inflator to the service and supplies budgets for CPI, and then no full time staffing of

3024
04:33:04,200 --> 04:33:08,520
positions being proposed. In fact, we're actually freezing three positions and then 22 positions

3025
04:33:08,520 --> 04:33:13,040
is right down a fight as part of the cost savings matters to be held or can it delayed for hiring.

3026
04:33:13,500 --> 04:33:13,860
Next slide.

3027
04:33:15,060 --> 04:33:17,540
So this is the proposed budget by the numbers.

3028
04:33:17,800 --> 04:33:22,160
And so for the operating budget, we're looking at a total budget of a little over 301 million.

3029
04:33:22,600 --> 04:33:26,080
CIP budget being $50 million and just to give some context.

3030
04:33:26,080 --> 04:33:31,280
If you were to compare the current fiscal year 2425 budget the council approved a year ago.

3031
04:33:31,560 --> 04:33:38,020
What we're proposing for the upcoming fiscal year is less than 1% higher than the adopted budget for this current fiscal year.

3032
04:33:38,020 --> 04:33:40,700
and for the general fund specifically, it's half a percent higher.

3033
04:33:40,900 --> 04:33:45,040
And so, as we all know, costs have definitely gone up by more than a percent over the past year,

3034
04:33:45,160 --> 04:33:47,380
but this really kind of highlights the efforts that we're taking

3035
04:33:47,380 --> 04:33:51,180
to the cost saving measures to curb expense growth in the upcoming fiscal year.

3036
04:33:51,620 --> 04:33:51,980
Next slide.

3037
04:33:53,560 --> 04:33:57,120
The following slide is the operating budget kind of visually

3038
04:33:57,120 --> 04:33:58,800
and how that looks like by department.

3039
04:33:58,940 --> 04:34:01,760
So I won't go through each one of these, but just that's what that looks like.

3040
04:34:02,560 --> 04:34:02,940
Next slide.

3041
04:34:03,660 --> 04:34:06,760
And this is our five-year forecast that was presented in study session number two.

3042
04:34:06,760 --> 04:34:14,380
No changes here, but this is what we're anticipating with the cost savings measures just for next year.

3043
04:34:14,500 --> 04:34:19,480
So as mentioned in a prior study session, we are proposing cost savings measures just for one year.

3044
04:34:20,100 --> 04:34:23,960
And they kind of see in the outside years that those cost savings measures are removed.

3045
04:34:24,560 --> 04:34:30,240
And so for fiscal year 25, we anticipate ending this current fiscal year with a deficit of about 2.3 million

3046
04:34:30,240 --> 04:34:31,600
between our revenues and expenses.

3047
04:34:31,860 --> 04:34:35,020
And so kind of the way to look at this is the columns are your expenses.

3048
04:34:35,020 --> 04:34:45,920
Revenue is your line's, the line going across, and so you ideally want that line up top to be above your columns, we're currently not there, and that's kind of what is the deficit spending that's been referred to.

3049
04:34:46,460 --> 04:35:04,160
So for fiscal year 26, next fiscal year we're anticipating a little under $9 million gap, and then on average in the outside years about $9 million or 6% and again highlighting, you know, just that we're looking at cost savings measures as part of this budget adoption, definitely the other side is really looking at enhancing our revenues to close that gap.

3050
04:35:05,060 --> 04:35:15,820
As far as the reserves go, we're projecting that we end this fiscal year at 29% our policy calls for a 16 to 25% reserve with a goal of 20%.

3051
04:35:15,820 --> 04:35:18,980
So end of this year will be at 29, it's our projection.

3052
04:35:19,460 --> 04:35:28,360
And at the end of next fiscal year we're at 23% and then once you get into fiscal year 27 kind of assuming this plays out, we'd be below our policy at 13% by the end of fiscal year 27.

3053
04:35:29,280 --> 04:35:29,640
Next slide.

3054
04:35:30,240 --> 04:35:35,080
So in addition to the adoption of the budgets, the other item we're seeking Council

3055
04:35:35,080 --> 04:35:40,320
approval on is approval of the current pay schedule and so this is kind of related to

3056
04:35:40,740 --> 04:35:45,760
the public employee pension reform act where it requires the adoption of a public available

3057
04:35:45,760 --> 04:35:46,680
salary schedule.

3058
04:35:47,200 --> 04:35:52,220
There's some additional legislation as well that requires a call out of executive conversations

3059
04:35:52,220 --> 04:35:56,120
which you'll see on the next slide and then adoption of the salary schedule in the following

3060
04:35:56,120 --> 04:35:57,360
slide and meet these requirements.

3061
04:35:57,780 --> 04:35:58,080
Next slide.

3062
04:35:58,640 --> 04:36:05,620
And so this is the call out the executive salary schedule that I mentioned earlier and with that, I'll pass it on to the assistance and manager to finish up the presentation.

3063
04:36:07,060 --> 04:36:07,680
Thanks, Ken.

3064
04:36:08,640 --> 04:36:12,280
A lot of work goes into the budget both on the staff side and on the council side.

3065
04:36:12,380 --> 04:36:21,920
So I want to thank you, the city council for your leadership and establishing policies and practices that have helped build and maintain a general fund reserve, which we're relying on now that we're deficit spending.

3066
04:36:21,920 --> 04:36:27,040
your strategic investment in the organization and the community as part of what makes

3067
04:36:27,040 --> 04:36:31,300
FACAville the vibrant community it is and the goal of the organization is to provide

3068
04:36:31,300 --> 04:36:35,280
high quality services to the community and we only can carry out that goal because

3069
04:36:35,280 --> 04:36:40,360
we have council support so thank you. We've also had an extraordinary level of collaboration

3070
04:36:40,360 --> 04:36:44,260
with our department heads and staff as we work through the budget process and identified

3071
04:36:44,260 --> 04:36:49,460
areas where we can scale back and delay our free positions to reduce the budget deficit

3072
04:36:49,460 --> 04:36:52,180
it, and just know that you have a really dedicated team.

3073
04:36:52,860 --> 04:36:56,840
The budget team also deserves a big kudos for their ongoing commitment to protecting

3074
04:36:56,840 --> 04:37:01,740
the city's fiscal stability, consistently running projections, identifying trends, and

3075
04:37:01,740 --> 04:37:05,880
trying to find savings in a variety of places while ensuring that we're still able to provide

3076
04:37:05,880 --> 04:37:08,500
the services our community expects and deserves.

3077
04:37:09,140 --> 04:37:13,240
Even though you'll be adopting the budget hopefully tonight, and the budget team will continue

3078
04:37:13,240 --> 04:37:17,460
looking for areas where we can cut costs and improve efficiencies with the longer term

3079
04:37:17,460 --> 04:37:24,580
budget forecast in mind. Next slide. So next steps. The budget team will continue to bring

3080
04:37:24,580 --> 04:37:28,320
you quarterly budget updates and track the progress in terms of deficit spending.

3081
04:37:28,740 --> 04:37:32,760
Because expenses are only one piece of the budget, we also plan to bring forward a discussion

3082
04:37:32,760 --> 04:37:36,760
on enhancing revenues at a future meeting. That will include things can already mentioned,

3083
04:37:37,220 --> 04:37:41,800
setting fees as well as exploring options and feasibility of the sales, possibly a sales tax

3084
04:37:41,800 --> 04:37:47,920
or hotel tax measures, and next slide, and with that, I will turn it back to Ken.

3085
04:37:50,380 --> 04:37:54,880
So the following slide is just as a recommendation, so I won't read all of those, next slide.

3086
04:37:56,220 --> 04:37:57,960
And with that, we'd be happy to take any questions.

3087
04:37:59,480 --> 04:38:04,980
And thank you to the entire team. This is as a reminder to anyone in the audience,

3088
04:38:05,220 --> 04:38:12,880
or watching online. Our budget wasn't as simple as these 12 slides. It's been a lengthy process

3089
04:38:12,880 --> 04:38:15,840
that's the majority of the spring to now,

3090
04:38:16,460 --> 04:38:18,320
and with at least three different sessions.

3091
04:38:18,600 --> 04:38:20,600
So I just want to make that reminder to the public.

3092
04:38:22,280 --> 04:38:25,620
So, I also appreciate the staff's attention

3093
04:38:25,620 --> 04:38:27,960
to looking at how to tighten the belt.

3094
04:38:28,520 --> 04:38:31,200
We know that we need to, and so I do appreciate that.

3095
04:38:31,900 --> 04:38:33,620
Before I open it up to anybody on the council,

3096
04:38:33,740 --> 04:38:34,180
I have any questions?

3097
04:38:35,200 --> 04:38:35,720
Comment, okay.

3098
04:38:36,100 --> 04:38:37,600
I'm going to open up to the public for any comment.

3099
04:38:41,430 --> 04:38:42,550
Seeing that, I'll bring it back.

3100
04:38:42,950 --> 04:38:43,810
Council Member Silver.

3101
04:38:45,190 --> 04:38:49,690
I know, like Mayor mentioned, there's been a lot of different discussion, so just really

3102
04:38:49,690 --> 04:38:53,550
thank you to all the department heads and staff throughout the city about being flexible

3103
04:38:53,550 --> 04:38:56,690
on supporting certain programs and holding back on other ones.

3104
04:38:56,830 --> 04:39:00,590
So I know that's not easy, there's a lot of pride and passion that goes since everything

3105
04:39:00,590 --> 04:39:03,250
that you do and everybody that you support.

3106
04:39:04,150 --> 04:39:11,990
But again, I really do want to appreciate, express my appreciation that there truly is a team

3107
04:39:11,990 --> 04:39:17,010
commitment on how we best serve our residents and our city. So thank you all for the difference.

3108
04:39:17,050 --> 04:39:19,730
You continue to strive to make and the lives of everyone.

3109
04:39:21,330 --> 04:39:23,530
All right, with this, do I have a motion?

3110
04:39:24,130 --> 04:39:24,730
Motion to approve.

3111
04:39:24,910 --> 04:39:25,510
Motion to approve.

3112
04:39:25,890 --> 04:39:28,910
So Councilmember Silva, motion. Do you want a second?

3113
04:39:29,130 --> 04:39:29,450
I'll second.

3114
04:39:29,930 --> 04:39:32,490
Okay. All right. All in favor?

3115
04:39:32,910 --> 04:39:33,170
Aye.

3116
04:39:33,730 --> 04:39:34,170
Opposed.

3117
04:39:35,130 --> 04:39:37,990
Thank you very much. This will get us starting into the next year.

3118
04:39:38,290 --> 04:39:41,530
And with that, do we have any reports on the city manager?

3119
04:39:41,990 --> 04:39:45,530
No reports nightmare. All right, so reports of the city council

3120
04:39:45,530 --> 04:39:54,550
I will first and foremost before I pass it on to councilmember silver to kick us off just say thank you for stepping in

3121
04:39:55,210 --> 04:40:04,690
During this time you've you've certainly been a great help to the staff and your your role and your leadership is in the interim role

3122
04:40:04,690 --> 04:40:08,710
Yes, they say sometimes be careful what you wish for but

3123
04:40:09,630 --> 04:40:17,210
We'll start the next Monday. We're all looking forward to her joining the team, but I appreciate it. I know on behalf of all the Council. Thank you.

3124
04:40:17,650 --> 04:40:25,270
So, Council Member Silver. Likewise, thank you, George Ann. I don't know if you're not going far, so we'll be bother news as needed.

3125
04:40:25,270 --> 04:40:30,970
The two announcements won on Saturday for residents in the Markham area.

3126
04:40:31,510 --> 04:40:35,510
There's going to be four different dumpsters set out throughout the area.

3127
04:40:35,910 --> 04:40:40,510
City staff, our community development team will be out there, helping assist.

3128
04:40:41,350 --> 04:40:43,450
Different residents, collecting some feedback.

3129
04:40:44,570 --> 04:40:54,910
So really looking forward to seeing a good turnout of people kind of doing similar wood council member Wiley put together in district six with district dollars.

3130
04:40:54,910 --> 04:41:02,350
So it will be the last time for a while, so people are expecting this to come and continue every year, likely not going to happen.

3131
04:41:03,070 --> 04:41:09,590
But I also want to express my gratitude to, I'm not sure what department it is, but I know co-compliance is involved in it.

3132
04:41:10,050 --> 04:41:12,930
There's a particular corner along the county street people don't.

3133
04:41:13,630 --> 04:41:23,190
I'm really excited to see residents step up and take more liberty and control of making sure that the place that they call home is respected.

3134
04:41:23,190 --> 04:41:32,830
So they have my full support and legal ways of doing that and so but also want to appreciate staff for finding ways to do that.

3135
04:41:33,290 --> 04:41:48,590
The thing just to let council and the community know on the Salano, sorry, Yolo Salano air quality district management group, there's three funding, three grant requests that were actually approved.

3136
04:41:48,590 --> 04:41:54,170
So, that was like a whole long process, but that included funding to finally complete

3137
04:41:54,170 --> 04:42:00,290
a crosswalk and ADA ramp at Cairo's on Elm, so excited to look at that, see that come

3138
04:42:00,290 --> 04:42:03,110
to fruition, hopefully over the course of the next year.

3139
04:42:03,730 --> 04:42:10,390
Number two, funding for electric EV chargers are to contribute towards that on the, that

3140
04:42:11,130 --> 04:42:15,410
Kolotas Park in County's Vot, so there's some funding that I was allocated to that.

3141
04:42:15,410 --> 04:42:25,990
And then the third one, which isn't directly to the city, but indirectly will help our residents is funding the EV van for boys and girls club to help transport folks.

3142
04:42:26,750 --> 04:42:34,450
So just for everybody to know the funding effort from the collective board from representatives in half of slano and yellow county.

3143
04:42:34,790 --> 04:42:41,090
The emphasis is really looking at how do we mitigate and lower emissions and the efforts to have cleaner air.

3144
04:42:41,090 --> 04:42:45,090
So that's how they prioritize a lot of the request for funding.

3145
04:42:45,390 --> 04:42:48,350
Backable did put in the most requests, so I was happy to see that.

3146
04:42:48,750 --> 04:42:51,010
Unfortunately not enough money to go around, but

3147
04:42:51,630 --> 04:42:55,490
definitely want to thank everybody who put applications and presented that.

3148
04:42:56,190 --> 04:42:57,170
Thanks, thank you.

3149
04:42:57,630 --> 04:42:58,450
Council Member Stockton.

3150
04:43:00,030 --> 04:43:05,770
Yes, I wanted to wish all of the fathers a happy father's day.

3151
04:43:05,910 --> 04:43:09,350
I probably had the best father's day that I've had in my life.

3152
04:43:09,350 --> 04:43:14,770
surrounded by friends and family and my son who graduated high school I know

3153
04:43:14,770 --> 04:43:18,730
there's been lots of graduations and stuff so it's always exciting to see as a

3154
04:43:18,730 --> 04:43:23,210
father to see your kids grow up and and do the things that they they dream about

3155
04:43:23,210 --> 04:43:28,750
doing but also enjoy being with your parents for these types of things while

3156
04:43:28,750 --> 04:43:33,450
they're still here I know that it can be difficult we have fourth of July coming I'm

3157
04:43:33,450 --> 04:43:36,830
hoping people are responsible this year I know that every year there's kind of like

3158
04:43:36,830 --> 04:43:43,130
a big push for safe and sane, not having fireworks and start stuff on fire, please

3159
04:43:43,130 --> 04:43:48,470
don't burn down our city. But I was wondering if the police chief might talk about another

3160
04:43:48,470 --> 04:43:54,590
city council meeting that recently came about and something really amazing that our neighbors

3161
04:43:54,590 --> 04:43:58,270
to the northeast have done for a vacable.

3162
04:43:59,130 --> 04:43:59,250
Chair,

3163
04:44:03,580 --> 04:44:05,860
putting you on the spot. Sorry, chief.

3164
04:44:06,340 --> 04:44:08,980
That's okay, sir. Mr. Mayor, Vice Mayor. Thanks for having me.

3165
04:44:08,980 --> 04:44:19,880
So last Tuesday I was invited to go to Dixon City Council meeting to talk about their initiative to rename a park after Matt Bowen.

3166
04:44:20,860 --> 04:44:30,820
And so after limited discussion went pretty quick, they voted 502 approve it, overwhelming support to do it.

3167
04:44:31,480 --> 04:44:33,680
And then it's kind of a funny story.

3168
04:44:33,680 --> 04:44:43,240
As I was walking out, somebody followed me out and said he's willing to sell his pig to give $7,000 towards the program.

3169
04:44:43,480 --> 04:44:52,840
So they're looking at non-profit ways to fund this, but Dixon City Council is very supportive of renaming a park.

3170
04:44:53,800 --> 04:44:59,800
I'm chief thank you for sharing that and thank you for everything that you continue to do for you know our

3171
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:29,700
Our department moving forward, I know the anniversary of that date is coming up and it's a somber time for your people. So I appreciate Dixon doing that. I appreciate you being there and your leadership. How can people contact you or Dixon if they want to contribute to make sure that they have what they need to be able to really make this something to honor him? Yeah, so we're trying to put their groups together. There's a lot of nonprofit groups out there right now.

3172
04:45:29,700 --> 04:45:32,040
about the Vacable Police Foundation being one of them.

3173
04:45:33,920 --> 04:45:38,000
There's some outlying groups that we haven't had direct contact with.

3174
04:45:38,460 --> 04:45:41,220
But I know those conversations are going to be having the next week or so.

3175
04:45:41,880 --> 04:45:46,280
Just to try to get the three or four main nonprofit groups to come together

3176
04:45:46,280 --> 04:45:51,940
and see if they can come together to fund this park in the city of Dixon.

3177
04:45:52,540 --> 04:45:52,820
Awesome.

3178
04:45:53,080 --> 04:45:57,340
Well, if you get some sort of fire or if they put out some sort of information with contact.

3179
04:45:57,340 --> 04:46:05,220
Could you please get that to us or distribute it to the city or something so that we can make sure that we can contribute or provide our community opportunities.

3180
04:46:05,500 --> 04:46:11,920
And July 11th is the one year anniversary and we will do just a solemn tribute out in the front steps of the PD.

3181
04:46:12,360 --> 04:46:13,400
Okay. Thank you.

3182
04:46:13,500 --> 04:46:14,140
Thank you. That's all I have.

3183
04:46:18,600 --> 04:46:20,500
That was the running of the torch.

3184
04:46:21,700 --> 04:46:23,080
Yes, my legs are hurting, man.

3185
04:46:23,880 --> 04:46:26,120
We can share with everyone.

3186
04:46:26,380 --> 04:46:32,320
Yeah, so it's a special on the big torch run, we do it annually, just a moment to honor our special on the Beans.

3187
04:46:32,620 --> 04:46:35,260
They come out and join us for segments of the run.

3188
04:46:36,180 --> 04:46:42,500
So again, it was another good year, as I get older and older, it's getting more and more difficult for me to do.

3189
04:46:42,680 --> 04:46:48,400
But I promised that I would try to continue to do it until I retire, so it's a work in progress for me.

3190
04:46:48,500 --> 04:46:50,220
But we all enjoy it together.

3191
04:46:50,220 --> 04:46:52,560
Okay, great. Thanks for hearing.

3192
04:46:53,380 --> 04:46:56,180
Thank you. Thanks, Chief. Council Member Wiley.

3193
04:46:58,530 --> 04:47:01,190
Just a few things that I want to mention tonight.

3194
04:47:01,770 --> 04:47:05,890
And I did mention the park event earlier from our South Town Association.

3195
04:47:06,590 --> 04:47:12,250
And I just really have great things to say about our staff working to build neighborhood associations.

3196
04:47:12,790 --> 04:47:15,130
And then in District 6, several of them have taken off.

3197
04:47:15,590 --> 04:47:18,310
And so Miss Joan is an excellent volunteer.

3198
04:47:18,310 --> 04:47:25,230
Another person that's a great volunteer is Rita Deandre and she also helps put together the Districts 6 Newsletter.

3199
04:47:25,750 --> 04:47:32,270
She's the vice, she's now the chair of the Napa Salano Aging on Council on Aging.

3200
04:47:32,610 --> 04:47:34,550
And she helps in a lot of different ways.

3201
04:47:34,810 --> 04:47:44,670
And I want to say that this Sunday she is going to be honored as the Salano County American Dream Award because she's a naturalized citizen.

3202
04:47:44,670 --> 04:47:56,030
She was born in Finland, and so my Thompson will be presenting her award on Sunday, and I'm going to attend that, and so that's a back of a resident, Rita Deandre, and I'll do a press release so we can put that in the paper or something.

3203
04:47:57,290 --> 04:48:11,770
And then I also, another park thing, we had the Pride event on Sunday, and that was wonderful to have the big park to put it in and the people, and so that was just a great thing on Sunday, and by Vice Mayor presided great.

3204
04:48:11,770 --> 04:48:18,610
And then was there at the kickoff for Creek Walk on this Friday night and the other big

3205
04:48:18,610 --> 04:48:24,030
thing in this council chamber last Wednesday, we didn't have the council member sitting

3206
04:48:24,030 --> 04:48:30,730
here but we had the summer interns and it's a great project with the staff and so there

3207
04:48:30,730 --> 04:48:36,510
were 20 students who were involved with all the departments with the summer interns and

3208
04:48:36,510 --> 04:48:43,130
And they were all selected after we presented information about Sunshine Laws and Brown

3209
04:48:43,130 --> 04:48:46,230
Act and why they need to be involved.

3210
04:48:47,090 --> 04:48:49,710
They took their stand and we actually voted.

3211
04:48:50,150 --> 04:48:54,790
She let it a great job preparing an agenda and all the people put it together.

3212
04:48:55,710 --> 04:49:01,570
And so they discussed and voted on the fireworks item that we did a couple years ago.

3213
04:49:02,090 --> 04:49:03,570
And so they had discussion on that.

3214
04:49:03,570 --> 04:49:10,050
And so they saw how the council works and we had public comment from people so it was a great event last Wednesday

3215
04:49:10,050 --> 04:49:17,470
And that was a shout out to another district six hard worker Alice Freed who put that together and we've done it in

3216
04:49:17,470 --> 04:49:25,310
Sassoon and back of the and the county and so it's just great and so I do appreciate all the work that the staff is doing with the summer

3217
04:49:25,310 --> 04:49:30,410
interns and you've had two weeks down and one week more to go or something so great

3218
04:49:30,410 --> 04:49:30,530
Thank you.

3219
04:49:30,770 --> 04:49:31,210
Great.

3220
04:49:31,450 --> 04:49:31,790
Thank you.

3221
04:49:31,990 --> 04:49:32,650
Vice Mayor Chattano.

3222
04:49:33,070 --> 04:49:33,390
Thank you.

3223
04:49:33,870 --> 04:49:35,390
I like it when she speaks first.

3224
04:49:35,710 --> 04:49:39,130
And then I would like to have to do a fair couple of statements.

3225
04:49:39,410 --> 04:49:39,530
Yeah.

3226
04:49:40,030 --> 04:49:40,230
Okay.

3227
04:49:40,490 --> 04:49:49,410
Speaking of the students involved in summer at City Hall, this year we even had a student to

3228
04:49:49,410 --> 04:49:50,130
be the mayor.

3229
04:49:50,750 --> 04:49:58,510
And I believe they even went through the process of electing the council members that took

3230
04:49:58,510 --> 04:50:00,870
of the seats here, and I have to think.

3231
04:50:01,110 --> 04:50:04,530
Angelina over there, she served as the city manager,

3232
04:50:05,430 --> 04:50:07,530
and we had the, was it Andrea?

3233
04:50:11,320 --> 04:50:15,940
And yes, I was here as a legal counsel,

3234
04:50:16,480 --> 04:50:18,260
and the youth really enjoyed it.

3235
04:50:18,400 --> 04:50:20,420
And you know what's still amazing about that

3236
04:50:20,420 --> 04:50:23,840
is when they began to think on their own

3237
04:50:23,840 --> 04:50:25,900
and come up and ask a question.

3238
04:50:26,520 --> 04:50:29,440
Before councilmember Wiley here,

3239
04:50:29,440 --> 04:50:35,800
She would go over to different students and encourage them to get up then after a while a couple of them got up on their own

3240
04:50:35,800 --> 04:50:44,420
So it it really courage they got encouraged absolutely and so anyway, just I won't talk any longer

3241
04:50:44,420 --> 04:50:49,200
I could but I'll stop there. I was gonna see the interns. Oh, absolutely

3242
04:50:49,800 --> 04:50:52,780
Absolutely, it was great. Oh

3243
04:50:52,780 --> 04:50:55,020
And I'm sorry have to think

3244
04:50:55,680 --> 04:50:56,200
Sheila

3245
04:50:56,760 --> 04:51:01,020
She'll have put everything together and she, of course,

3246
04:51:02,080 --> 04:51:09,780
presided in her role as the city clerk and gave the oath to all of the elective officials.

3247
04:51:11,300 --> 04:51:12,920
That's always good to have these programs.

3248
04:51:13,440 --> 04:51:13,560
Yes.

3249
04:51:14,380 --> 04:51:24,860
The only thing I had to report out, I won't go into any detail for time because it's going to come in the future, is every month the STA water board, they meet.

3250
04:51:24,860 --> 04:51:32,420
The STA is, they're negotiating with how they're going to work with the state on tolling,

3251
04:51:32,540 --> 04:51:32,660
right?

3252
04:51:33,480 --> 04:51:37,000
Most of us aren't used to, if you live in around here having an express lane.

3253
04:51:37,760 --> 04:51:42,920
The nice thing is, is the roads are going to be nice and open and wide with the extra lanes.

3254
04:51:43,820 --> 04:51:49,340
But they're also going to be with specialized types of, you know, normally you could just

3255
04:51:49,340 --> 04:51:54,460
drive through with the card in your car or in the past you didn't even have to have one.

3256
04:51:54,460 --> 04:51:58,160
they would track you. Well, not anymore. And so there's going to be more information coming

3257
04:51:58,160 --> 04:52:04,820
before September when everything goes live. But some of this was reported out through the

3258
04:52:04,820 --> 04:52:11,040
Sloan Transportation Authority, the Agency that's STA. Why is this important? More to follow.

3259
04:52:11,780 --> 04:52:21,440
The board voted to adopt a pilot program for three years. And that is to do not only weekday

3260
04:52:21,440 --> 04:52:26,600
tolling but weekend tolling and so there's pros and cons to all of it all that information is

3261
04:52:26,600 --> 04:52:31,780
available there is some significant benefit for it because it's mostly commuters and commuters

3262
04:52:31,780 --> 04:52:37,220
work in the weekend it allows you know the commute lanes seven days a week instead of five days

3263
04:52:37,220 --> 04:52:41,460
a week and there's some more benefits some more to come with that and also some FAQs and information

3264
04:52:41,460 --> 04:52:48,020
so that anyone who's not used to it won't get caught up into the the fact that in the future when it

3265
04:52:48,020 --> 04:52:53,200
does go live in September, it won't just be a carpool lane for hours, it'll actually

3266
04:52:53,840 --> 04:52:57,720
be required to have the devices and it will be an express lane.

3267
04:52:57,900 --> 04:53:00,300
They're common all over the state, it's finally happening here.

3268
04:53:00,540 --> 04:53:03,840
So anyway, more to come on that, but that's just a report out on STA.

3269
04:53:04,080 --> 04:53:09,380
So with that, thank you to all the staff for the year end budget and making sure this

3270
04:53:09,380 --> 04:53:12,520
happened, and with that, we'll stand in the recess tonight back at them.