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All right, I'd like to call the meeting to order here, if we can,

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and first item in business is the pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which the stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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And then if we can do the roll call, please, Madam Clerk.

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All members of the council are present. Mayor Flynn.

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will be joining us via teams is the mayor is he's on but Mayor Pro Tem love will be actually

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writing the meeting tonight.

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Thank you there's no minutes to prove so the next item is public

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business from the floor so if anybody has some public business from the floor please come forward

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you five minutes and please state your name for the record on non agenda items. Thank you.

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Hello. For those of you who I haven't got to meet yet, my name is Jake Caldwell. My dad and I

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own Kinaiviation were one of the two operators that has proposed as far as the essential air service

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contract. It's open for the public comment period right now for a change in air service here for

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So I just want to kind of check in with the city here is that public comment period is scheduled to end on Monday and just be here answering questions you guys may have last time we talked proposals hadn't come out yet.

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We now have the proposals out.

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So there's any questions anyone has on what speed proposed and what our plans are. I'd love to answer any of that.

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Otherwise, I've just had a great time in the last couple of weeks, spend a lot of time

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over here on community, get to know business owners and other locals in the community and

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hear what their challenges are and hopefully coming up with some really good ways to help

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solve those challenges and it comes through your transportation here in and out of all

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these.

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you for the comment.

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You got it.

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Any other public business from the floor?

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Mike is on.

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We're getting in council that Nate Smith, East Peak Resorts, I just want to give you guys

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an update regarding the lease that we applied for from Department of Natural Resources.

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On September the 4th, they issued their final finding and decision in favor of issuing

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us the lease. That starts out with a 20-year lease. Right now, we're in the 20-day appeal

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and reconsideration period, barring any of that going whichever way it could go. The decision

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will become effective on October the 5th.

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So just want to bring you guys in the loop on that and appreciate all your time.

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I know that Councilmember Alan Swarim, he wasn't at the work session, but we proposed

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to do another work session here in November to follow up on the last work session that

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we had, answer any questions and things like that and then move forward.

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If you remember, we had three items that we had asked for, money for basically the economic

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and overall encompassing study of the entire resort district.

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We had some items about money being set aside for the bridge and then perhaps the money set aside to put it down on a lift.

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And then we wanted to work that process to see if any of those items could then be put in the 2025 budget.

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That's what the work session coming up in November would be.

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Just want to give you that quick update and hopefully we can work together in November and have that to follow up work session and go from there.

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Appreciate it.

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Any questions?

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right. Thanks Nate. Yeah, I appreciate what you guys do. Again, thank you for the

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else for public business from the floor. All

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right. Seemed none. We'll move on to the consent

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agenda items. We have one item on this consent agenda. It's the approval of write-offs of various

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city fees, importing to collections agency.

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They have a motion. Move to approve. Second.

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We'll call for the vote.

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All those in favor, please say aye.

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We have seven yeas motion carries.

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Next item is unfinished business from our last meeting regarding establishing a position recruitment

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program and rescinding resolution number 18.

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this was postponed from the regular reading two weeks ago on September 3rd and we already had a motion on the floor to approve the item. So the item is still open for discussion.

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So, and I think we have during that meeting, September 3rd, we did ask that the hospital administrator Melanie here, and I see her as she's present here in the audience tonight.

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It looks like we have a couple of physicians too and the audience as well, three physicians,

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the audience as well, here I'm hoping to add to the discussion.

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So I guess I'll first turn it over to the council for questions in the discussion.

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I think the council had questions.

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First of all, I just want to let everyone know that I do work for Providence Valdeeds Medical

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I don't believe this is a conflict, but I do want to just put it out there for the council to decide whether this is a conflict for me.

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Great. Just wanted to disclose that and be completely transparent.

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I think the council just wanted to make sure that this program is a successful program and that it, the way that it is in place currently is the way that it

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to stay with the success rate that it's had in the past.

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And if there's anything that the council can do to perhaps improve our opportunities

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to attract and retain physicians to our community, talking about ways that we can improve this

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program because it seems like it's it needs a little infusion perhaps and how we can work with

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providence to figure out a way to reinvigorate this program so that we can attract physicians

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to our community and maybe just talking about the successfulness of it. Like how many physicians

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we've recruited in the past year with this program and I know we've talked about market rate

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analyses for the state and we're on kind of like terms with the rest of the state is what you've

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hold us in the past, Melanie, kind of, yeah. So I guess for us,

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Vorgit, for me anyway, I can't speak for the entire council, but I think physicians

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are extremely important for our community and when we can attract and retain

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physicians that are full time and know our community and know the needs of our

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community is really important. And I think it is a priority for

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for the council to try and figure out how we can address this and be a more robust,

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like, come to Valdez, we have the scenery, we have the activities, we have the hunting,

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the fishing, all the things, and I just, how can we help improve this program?

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If my mic is on, those are great questions Olivia, thank you very much.

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As mentioned, my name is Melanie Tier and I'm the administrator at the hospital.

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So is this program working? I think was the first question. This is an excellent program and working I think means a lot of different things. It can be measured in a lot of different ways.

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The last time we presented this several months ago, I think this city had compiled some data and they had done a survey of those who had been recipients of the program in the past.

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I did at work or didn't at work.

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I would say you had candidates to ask.

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to be able to answer the question,

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therefore it did work.

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and that's what works best for the role

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that we're looking for.

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but that's then the most well-rounded type

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of physician specialty that we have for our community

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that meets the needs.

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And they are in short supply.

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I know Dr. Cullen will speak to that, he does a lot of, you know, outreach and presenting

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nationally to this group, to family medicine physicians across the nation.

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We have fewer of them and we're graduating fewer of them, so the competition is increased

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over where it was even 10 years ago.

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So we're experiencing that here as well, and that's to be expected.

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Over the last year I think was another question, so the last year has been busy, we've done

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a lot in the last year, including closing the clinic, reopening the clinic, re-establishing

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the staffing for the clinic, which we are fully staffed, which is exciting with the exception

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of one physician position, which I'll tell you about.

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And then on the hospital side, making sure all of our shifts are covered with excellent

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positions has been our goal.

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And we started with two, Dr. Cullen and Dr. Todd, and we now have 19 excellent providers covering

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between the two settings.

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You mentioned consistency.

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Those 19, they come back over and over and we get really, really good feedback from our

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patients. They're happy to see them. They're giving great care. So we're really excited

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about the pool of physicians, the talent that we've been able to bring into our community.

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And they come for one to three weeks at a time, sometimes one to five weeks at a time and

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they cover our ER for the most part. They do cover some clinic as well, but we really do

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like the continuity of seeing your PCP in the clinic, so we focus on hospital shifts instead

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of clinic shifts for those providers that don't live here. Also, in the last year, we had

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Dr. Raymond sign on and she's rejoining our team in October, so we're very excited about that.

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We also had Chris and Kinstery, PA rejoin us after being out of the community for a while,

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knowing that they wanted to come here after a husband was done with the Coast Guard. They came home.

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so that's been great as well. So I would say all in all recruitment efforts this year have been

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exceptionally good, but then you ask about this program, right? So why are we not signing on

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full-time doctors at the rate that you'd like? Well the reality is we're only looking for two

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and we did hire Dr. Raymond as I mentioned. So we have one opening at this time. This program is very

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appealing for those physicians coming in. It allows us not only do we have a very competitive package,

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We actually pay higher than most places in the state, where that's where I said kind of the maybe there are some very

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rural positions that that may pay a little bit higher, particularly in the tribal system, but as far as

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non-tribal facilities are pay as exception. So that is a great package all by itself. This physician recruitment and retention program is really

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icing on the cake and it allows them a flexible amount of money to put a down payment on a house or pay school loans if

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that's the stage of life that they're in.

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So it has a lot of flexibility for the providers coming in.

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Now why haven't more people accepted it

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if it's the best deal, right?

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And I would say there's a wide variety of reasons.

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Why physicians haven't signed on with us.

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We've had a lot of candidates.

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We've vetted a lot of candidates this year.

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A lot of the times it's been for family reasons.

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So things that have been told to me,

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spouses work, just a job that doesn't exist here

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in the community.

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kids in high school, that's a pretty pivotal age. We've had some that have new

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warm babies and needed to focus on that rather than moving at this time. We've had

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life stage single years so that there are differences in what people are

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looking for for relocation based on their life stage. Also, we've had people

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tell us it's proximity to aging parents in the lower 48. All things that we

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understand we get this, we recruit for a lot of positions and we understand that these are the same

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challenges that we're having in a lot of positions. We've had most recently a desire to travel,

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to serve internationally, be a reason why somebody declined a position with us, that particular

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person is going to join us as a podium and eventually would love to settle down. But in the meantime

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It's like to serve underserved communities in in third world countries, which which we respect as well

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We had one additional candidate that was still in contract for another year and a half and so she just couldn't make that change

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I she couldn't commit to a change that part out

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So she's again on our short list as well

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And then also we are seeing a lot of physicians that don't want to commit to one location. That's okay

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as we have a lot of physicians, especially in the first five years out of their schooling,

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they like to prefer a week and sit, come out to Valdez for a week, enjoy what different

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parts of this state has to offer, because they have the flexibility to do it.

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So we've tried to kind of offer so many options, including Cardiom, so that we are able to

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capture talent and they get to try a song and they love coming and they

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refer their friends and that's working but then also at some point when they're

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ready to settle down that they've tried a song and they like us and so we are

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hopeful that this is probably our very best recruitment strategy.

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But we would advocate that this program, that the city offers, is a differentiator between

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our program and many other places in the state. It's a rich plan. You also ask the question

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of what could be different. And I've given that some thought that I did get that feedback

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from John at our last meeting. And the one option that I've thought about and did a little

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research on the starting earlier. So we are recruiting early. Dr. Cullen is a

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believer in medical students. Dr. Todd as well, teaching medical students, they

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come back as residents. Those residents will eventually come back. And so we

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have medical students, we have residents. We're expanding that programming this

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here. We'd like to do even more with the Anchorage-based Residency. Dr. Cullen

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has some fantastic ideas about a rural fellowship for physicians. So we have a

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lot of options of pipeline, kind of building that pipeline. But I would say, you

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know, at this point, I think we need to continue with the pipeline start earlier

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perhaps with our offers. At this point, I haven't found anyone who's in their

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second or third year residency who's been able willing, bold enough to make a

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decision about where they want to be in a year or two years. But if we find one, I

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I would love for the program to have the flexibility

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to offer that stipend sooner,

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while somebody is still in their residency

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and would have need for those funds

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with a certain number of years commitment for the program.

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Dr. Kellin, did you have anything to add on that?

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Yeah, actually, that last point's a really good one.

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What I just came back from a conference,

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I was doing a series of lectures

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for the Family Medicine Obstetrical Conference,

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and whenever I give these talks,

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I have every other slide as a beautiful picture of values.

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I just use this as a latent recruiting tool.

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350 doctors in the audience and I got one nibble.

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And part of that is that it's just incredibly competitive out there right now.

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And I think that we just need to realize that.

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And not only that, but that it's going to get worked.

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So right now we're suffering a shortage of about 30,000 family positions.

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In 10 years, it will be going up to 48,000 and in rural communities it's even worse

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because half of us are over the age of 55 and we'll be retiring in short order and so

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rural communities across the country are doing everything they can to recruit and that's

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just the reality.

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And they're coming up with really creative ways and that was one of the things that I found

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in that the meeting is a lot of the third year residents had already signed up for when

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they graduated and they had already received cash stipends just so that they can do better

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and that's going all the way back even to the beginning of second year of residency.

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We have had a lot of residents and I think that the majority of physicians that we recruited

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long-term have been residents that came, and so I think that that just makes sure that

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we continue to do that residency education, but like I said it's going to be tough I think

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over these next few years. The other problem is that we're really looking for kind of a unicorn

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in that we need a family physician with obstetrical skills and specifically we're looking for somebody

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with surgical obstetrics. And that's just not very many. That's less than 10% of the graduating

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residents at this point and it's probably even less than that. After willing to live in Alaska,

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they have to like the snow. They have to have a partner that likes the snow and they can have a job

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here and so the the number that we're really looking for is going to be very small and so we have to

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have these packages ready to go for when we find them because I can tell you we're just competing

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with certainly everybody in Alaska every every community in Alaska is down by at least 25% and a lot of

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communities are down there and so this is just going to be a this is just going to be an issue the

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The other thing is, is that value scares people.

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We don't have any backup.

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We have crazy stuff that comes into the emergency room and so we need somebody with skills and

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have that confidence and their skills to be able to handle what comes in the door and

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that kind of restricts that population even further.

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There are some other things, Meli talked about the fellowship, that's one of the things

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that we could do to improve the pool is to have basically would be a fourth year of

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residency. We could do half the time here half the time in Anchorage and just really work

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on building those skills so that they would feel confident in being here. So that is one

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of the big issues. The other is that we're not a HIPSA. We're not a health provider shortage

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area and we should be, but we aren't, we don't have a county. Because we don't have a county,

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we don't qualify as a Hipsa and Hipsa have additional grant funding for recruiting. And it may take

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going to the governor and asking if we could be designated as a Hipsa. Certainly in terms of the

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number of providers that we have in town, it's I think that we would qualify. So that would be

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That would be something else just to consider.

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It's great having Megan back.

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Man, I think that that was a big part of it.

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It's just having that baggage.

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I have to admit that it would have been nice if Kathy and I had access to that money back

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and the clinic was in private practice because I think that would have led us to stay open.

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But you know, that is a main.

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I don't know if there's any other things that we can do for recruiting.

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I just think that we just have to recognize that we're, that this is going to be a bidding

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more offer.

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On the other hand, every family physician, especially with OB, that lives in your community,

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generates about $1.6 million of economic activity just by buying houses and buying groceries.

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And so there is a little bit of an investment component to this, and not only that, but

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that they just, again, having enough of the physicians

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that we can continue to do will begin to take care

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of young families and young children,

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means that we're going to have to keep young families.

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And that's going to be an economic generative of something.

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So anyways, thank you.

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And let's set 30-todd to give a new debt.

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I'm going to take this from a slightly different point

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of view as a capy-todd.

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Um, but I want to follow up on something John said first, um, if we, if fellowship sounds

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really great, you've got to get somebody out of residency and then you give them six

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months of being here to find out how much they love it and what they really need to know

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and another six months that were, that they'd be subsidized to go learn the things that

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they didn't know.

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It's so much easier to learn to do C-sections if you get to do 16 of them in a row, then

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if you have to spread it out over years like Dr. Sherbin did for instance or Dr. Schurt.

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But that said, the only way that you can manage to do that is to be overstaffed.

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When I was having it, I don't know whether you could hear my heart being back there.

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When Melanie said, oh, when we get to four, we're fine.

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No, I mean, for one thing, I might want to retire some year here.

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But nowadays, you can't really do what I pictured when I came.

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that is Dr. Gerard was there to teach me and Andy and we are there to teach John. John was there

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to teach you know each one teach one and you can learn to do your C-sections over being here

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for four or five years. Millie is absolutely right that people don't do that anymore. They don't

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stay in one place. They move around and so unless you stay there for your ladder doesn't work and

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And so you're going to have to have a little bit of older staffing in order to, in order

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to be able to say, gosh, I just aren't, I need me to do anesthesia.

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Can I please have a month to go do that or can I have less than that?

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We have a CRNA who comes in once a month and I've done anesthesia in the past, but I would

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love to hang out with her, him while they're here and I can't do that because I got to be

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in the clinic.

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You know, so you need to be a little bit overstaffed in order to keep all those all the training things that you have to do.

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I hear as you Mr. Lolli nodding if you need to do training, you need to have extra people, right?

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Okay, so that said, I think that providence not providence, but providence thinks that at least some of the people there

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think that what you guys want is to have no rating on the bottom line.

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And that's something they can measure, that's something you can measure.

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And they say, okay, great, wonderful, we're making a go of it, and wonderful.

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But I would say that if you were talking about a restaurant, you could have a restaurant

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with no red ink if you had no clients and no cooks.

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Or you could have a restaurant with no red ink with clients and cooks.

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You might have to hire the cooks first and then go into a little bit of red ink while you're

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filling up your restaurant, but you can't really have a whole bunch of clients and no cooks,

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so you really, really, really need to make sure that you have physicians, nurses, whatever.

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And that might actually cost you something. And I would also say that if what you're talking about

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is not a restaurant, but the only feeding facility for your entire town, that you might say,

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boy, if I don't have to drive to Anchorage to eat, then you know, that wouldn't be worth

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actually putting some tax money into it if that's what it takes and there's no way I don't know

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what the way is for us in Valdez is to say to Providence. It's important to us to have medical care

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here. We don't want to have to get around to go to Anchorage for every little thing. We don't want to

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have to go hang out in Anchorage for three months before delivery. We don't want to let alone have

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somebody something happened that you can't get out of here. But we don't want to have to go to

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Anchorage every how much does it cost you every time you take a trip to Anchorage. So I've

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talked to a lot of people and they'd say yeah I've put a couple tax dollars into into the hospital

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if that's what it took to still have a hospital that does all of that our hospital does. That's an

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expensive proposition but we do that for all kinds of things we we subsidize the library we subsidize

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the EMTs, you know, we decide that what we want and we decide to do that. And maybe the

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way to convince providence that having physicians is important even if it costs a little bit

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more than what they think they can get out of them is to say this money is airmarked for that.

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And if that means we don't have enough money in that fund that you're generating to fix a rough

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Well, it'll just have to be that way.

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I think that by putting that money aside and saying,

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this is important to us, we want you to have money to do that.

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That is important.

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I stood up here last time we discussed this and said,

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oh, now that there's not Scarclaw,

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because it's not a private practice and Providence separate.

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And there was legal battles of how Providence couldn't pay us enough

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for us to be able to retrieve anybody.

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Now that we're all province employees, it's not a problem, but she is under constraints

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as to how much she can pay.

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And the people in the lower 48 maybe don't understand what it's like to be on call every

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other.

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Or, you know, we do not have a C-section crew already to go as a stretch absolutely every

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time.

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And I kind of look at who's on call in the ER.

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She's recruited some wonderful people.

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But some of them go, can you want me to deliver a baby?

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And I look at that every time before I go out kayaking.

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And you're not going to be able to recruit people to those beautiful, that beautiful scenery

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if they can't depend on their colleagues.

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It really is not a stable situation at the moment.

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It really is not.

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And we really need every tool that we can possibly get.

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And if provenants can't pay people for various things, then this city council needs to say those are important things to us.

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I'll say one more thing, the fellowship and the PAs and whatever.

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There was one day last week, two weeks ago, but I had two residents,

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that's third year people who are almost ready to go into practice, and a PA.

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And I personally saw four patients in a half a day.

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But I supervise all those people, and we've managed to see 25 people.

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But one of the parts of the package that makes it competitive is getting all of the boxes

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checked for, did you do all the diabetic tests and all that sort of thing.

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One of the things that you get is that gets you a bonus is how many patients you see.

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And if you're doing all those other things, the training things, the supervising things,

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whatever, if we want people to do that to make this a stable system, then we need

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to subsidize that.

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And maybe she can't put that in the package.

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She can only subsidize me for seeing more patients.

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And I can't do that when I'm doing those other things.

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So I think that you I don't leave this in the package so that you so that the city council can influence what the package buys

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Thank you. I

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have the resort

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Yeah, I don't know the first thing I've heard there. I don't know if we

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run it by the health advisory board, but the idea of a scholarship seems like

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You know a good idea. I don't think it'd be terribly expensive and I can see the advantage of

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You know, having that introduction and getting to know somebody early on before it's too late in their educational careers, I think that's great.

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I've pretty much always supported this program since its inception.

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And I think you do have to look at it as a tool. It's not the one and only thing that's going to bring somebody to the community.

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And I don't think it's something you could say, well, we have this program, but the retention

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hasn't worked out.

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Any retention is more of a long-term issue. You can't tell me that the docs and aren't the

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same boat as other professionals coming into the community. You know, we've heard that acting

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super-attended as schools talk the last minute. You know, he might have to hire twice as

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many people as he needs because when they come into the community, they can't find a place

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to live and the child care problems are the same thing.

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I mean, everybody's got the same problems trying to move

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into this community.

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So I think retention is going to have to look at a whole lot

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of other things.

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And the other thing that talking to a few doctors

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that I've known over the last few years,

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and I think Dr. Todd kind of hit on it,

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But there is sort of a critical mass.

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You can talk about all of our natural resources

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and all these recreational opportunities

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and all this great stuff.

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But if there's only a couple of docs,

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they don't get to do any of that.

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And they probably never will get to do all that.

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Until you get enough people on staff

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that somebody can actually have a vacation

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or a day off or not be on call.

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I think that's huge too.

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So like I said, I think the main thing you remember

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This is just one tool, and there's going to be a lot of other things that would come into

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retaining, you know, employees with, you know, any organization.

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I guess the other thing I throw out there is we're kind of in a unique position.

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I remember when the city ran the hospital and, you know, the money was a lot more back then,

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but you know, we routinely had a million to a million half-dollar deficit with that place.

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and we're in a position now having a providence in there in a new facility that they generate a reserve.

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So if you really wanted to look at it, we're not putting any tax property tax money into a program like this,

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and we can do a lot more and still, as long as Melanie keeps doing a good job, you know,

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we've got that reserve that we can use for this purpose.

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I don't know why, my two cents were never valid.

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Melanie, just a quick question.

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You ran through a list of, I guess, reasons

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why we've lost candidates in the past.

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And I didn't hear them specifically,

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but Councilmember Sorom mentioned child care and housing

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were they ever an impediment to, I guess, hiring or getting

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somebody to fill a position?

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I would say yes. I can think of two candidates, one who has twins that are just a couple years old.

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And so, you know, her situation was one that she is part of the year in another place,

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based on her husband's work, and part of the year close to here. But childcare is an issue that came up,

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you know, just figuring out how she logistically could make it work. So that is important.

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And we had a three of our positions actually had babies this year.

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One of them was the female, two of them were males, but the one female, that would be

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a barrier for her as well.

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We haven't gotten to the point of her saying this is going to be my forever home, what will

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this look like?

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But even trying it on, unfortunately, we are offering childcare services, right?

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Myself.

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I say, I'll watch your baby.

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You'll come and cover a couple of shifts.

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I'm reliable.

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I pass a background check.

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I love children.

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So, so yeah, it continues to be an issue for our team and really we had gone

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several years where physicians weren't asking those questions and now we've had a

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little search where they are. We do that with staff as well. There'll be periods of

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time where there aren't a lot of young children and then the glory of activity

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and all of a sudden we have several. Dr. Todd, do I add? Just to throw it a little bit

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But it's more settled than that, of course, because you throw a pandemic in there and all

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that's are off.

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But, Dr. Sherman's here, but his wife doesn't have any, there's no childcare, so she can't

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go out and do something else so you might say, over the physician didn't need childcare,

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but I know one person in particular that, and actually two, that said, holy cow, is that

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how much house cost?

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Now, they're comparing to a very cheap state, too bad, so sad, but they don't think they

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can afford to move here compared to what they're being where they are, and so that is

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a housing thing, and some of these people have huge loans that they have to pay, and so

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00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:57,280
it's kind of like a house payment for their loans, or more than a house payment for their

434
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,920
loans and so to that, you know, think about doing two house payments.

435
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:15,350
Thank you. I just, I support having a program that supports this issue. Obviously, I always

436
00:35:15,350 --> 00:35:23,530
have. I still do. And at first, I'll off, I want to say that I thank you, Melanie and

437
00:35:23,530 --> 00:35:29,070
the doctors. You've obviously been doing hard work at trying to recruit and get people to

438
00:35:29,070 --> 00:35:33,150
field positions and while we may not be fully staffed, we are more staffed and you're

439
00:35:33,150 --> 00:35:37,430
certainly trying to deal within the situation that you know you've been dealt and I appreciate

440
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:44,770
that. I guess you know as Olivia had alluded to in the beginning, you know we're just trying

441
00:35:44,770 --> 00:35:51,670
to find the best way to implement or assist with this program to get you guys what you most

442
00:35:51,670 --> 00:36:00,950
need. You know, for myself, I want to make sure I'm happy to provide this funding. I want to

443
00:36:00,950 --> 00:36:06,170
make sure that it's being spent the best way possible to achieve the goals that we all have

444
00:36:06,170 --> 00:36:11,510
collectively. And of course the thing, and Alan kind of talks about it, but the thing that just

445
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:15,950
seems the most sticky is the retention part. And even when you're talking, it sounds like you keep

446
00:36:15,950 --> 00:36:19,510
saying recruiting, recruiting, we need it for recruiting, recruiting, recruiting, and that seems

447
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:25,250
kind of more than obvious. And that seems wherever it's been the most successful. But it's the

448
00:36:25,250 --> 00:36:32,450
retention part. And so I just, you know, question, does that need to be a part of it? Is there a

449
00:36:32,450 --> 00:36:40,290
way to revamp that? Do we need more money to be spent on recruiting? And, you know, and the

450
00:36:40,290 --> 00:36:44,390
retention, it doesn't need to be a part of it. I want to say that I feel like the last time we talked

451
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:48,750
about it, you kind of mentioned, hey, two years. If somebody committed the two years, you know,

452
00:36:48,750 --> 00:36:49,430
we'd be happy.

453
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:52,570
So talking about a five-year program

454
00:36:52,570 --> 00:36:54,170
is that the right way to look at it.

455
00:36:54,310 --> 00:36:57,510
So I guess when I think about what can we do better,

456
00:36:57,630 --> 00:36:58,610
how can we change it?

457
00:36:58,910 --> 00:37:00,310
That's still where I get stuck.

458
00:37:01,650 --> 00:37:06,410
If you tell me that retention is still as is

459
00:37:06,410 --> 00:37:07,770
and the program is critical,

460
00:37:08,350 --> 00:37:10,150
I'm likely going to believe you

461
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:11,690
because you know better than I do.

462
00:37:12,170 --> 00:37:14,390
But that just seems to be that we haven't reached

463
00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:15,110
that success.

464
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:18,090
So it feels that it isn't helping us

465
00:37:18,090 --> 00:37:23,390
the way we need it to help us. So how can we get there? And that's where I am with it.

466
00:37:25,150 --> 00:37:29,630
There's layers of wonderful questions. Let me tackle a few of them that stand out. There were many

467
00:37:29,630 --> 00:37:36,430
that stand out. Recruitment seems to be our bigger focus. Yes, because it does help with retention.

468
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:42,430
And so Dr. Raymond probably can speak to a time where she was here and they were stretched really far.

469
00:37:42,670 --> 00:37:47,230
And Dr. Cullen can probably talk about a time where they were doing all of the hospital coverage and

470
00:37:47,230 --> 00:37:51,610
And all of the clinic coverage with two people or three people, Dr. Todd can remember the

471
00:37:51,610 --> 00:37:55,590
days really, really clearly of sitting across me saying we can't do this anymore, right?

472
00:37:56,030 --> 00:38:01,770
So that's part of retention is making it a job that somebody could love and stay in

473
00:38:01,770 --> 00:38:02,310
long-term.

474
00:38:02,630 --> 00:38:06,790
And unless you have the design right, Dr. Todd and I may arm wrestle later about the four

475
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:09,870
versus the five, but we have a bigger model at play.

476
00:38:10,350 --> 00:38:14,390
I will be satisfied starting at four, testing that, and then adding five.

477
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:19,230
And then we'd have to take shifts away from other hospital providers if we did that I'm okay with that

478
00:38:19,230 --> 00:38:27,530
But that we have to get a stable model that requires recruitment just a couple more so that life can look normal for everybody in the model

479
00:38:27,530 --> 00:38:31,910
Dr. Cullen would like to reduce his time further Dr. Todd would like to reduce her time

480
00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:38,510
So when I say four I'm talking four FTEs and that could be five people that could be six people as I mentioned

481
00:38:38,510 --> 00:38:40,310
and we're really, we're really flexible.

482
00:38:41,010 --> 00:38:42,390
So we lay out the buffet.

483
00:38:42,750 --> 00:38:43,890
If you want per day and we got that,

484
00:38:44,070 --> 00:38:45,570
you want part time, what does that look like?

485
00:38:45,970 --> 00:38:47,850
You want more clinic than hospital, we got it.

486
00:38:48,290 --> 00:38:49,770
You want hospital only, we have that too.

487
00:38:50,290 --> 00:38:53,910
So we have really tried to figure out what candidates need

488
00:38:54,430 --> 00:38:57,310
and then offer them based on their interest.

489
00:38:57,790 --> 00:39:01,410
So that's part to me of both recruitment and retention

490
00:39:01,410 --> 00:39:03,230
to make it a long-term job.

491
00:39:04,010 --> 00:39:05,530
I mentioned the two to three years.

492
00:39:06,010 --> 00:39:07,190
That's normal, unfortunately.

493
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:16,030
that's good attention. The fact that we have a five-year program is phenomenal. I think with minor tweaks to the program, allowing someone to be eligible sooner.

494
00:39:17,530 --> 00:39:24,170
In their residency, for example, I, it was mentioned earlier about possibly even going as well as medical school.

495
00:39:24,670 --> 00:39:34,130
I have, I have concerns about that because I know a lot of medical students that don't know what they want to do next year versus what they want to do many years down the road.

496
00:39:34,130 --> 00:39:41,110
So I wouldn't want to obligate our positions to hold them for such a long time when somebody

497
00:39:41,110 --> 00:39:47,690
could change their mind, but I think two years in that, in the residency period, I think

498
00:39:47,690 --> 00:39:50,670
that's a really good time to be talking to residents.

499
00:39:51,110 --> 00:39:56,130
As I mentioned, I had it found one yet that's willing to sign, and we've had several as candidates.

500
00:39:56,810 --> 00:40:02,730
Actually the last two that we had as candidates spoke about wanting to come to Velby specifically

501
00:40:02,730 --> 00:40:06,930
because they wanted to be Dr. Cullen and that embarrasses him when I say it, but it's true,

502
00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:12,690
it's what they say. They want to be him when they grow up. So he does inspire those residents to

503
00:40:12,690 --> 00:40:19,210
to come here. We will we will have one time when I'm confident of that. So I think incentivizing them

504
00:40:19,210 --> 00:40:23,610
a little sooner in their schooling rather than you know wait till you start would be great.

505
00:40:24,370 --> 00:40:29,570
I also mentioned you had talked about recruitment. We have a great recruitment package as well

506
00:40:29,570 --> 00:40:35,530
with sign-on bonus and relocation, that's all taken care of in my package, but

507
00:40:35,530 --> 00:40:40,530
you're initial that helps with down payment on a house, which we know is a game

508
00:40:40,530 --> 00:40:44,070
changer in our community. One of the biggest issues we've been having lately

509
00:40:44,070 --> 00:40:49,670
with recruitment is actually pets. So to not allow the rest of your family to come

510
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:54,670
with you, that's a game changer for people. Our one apartment that did allow for we

511
00:40:54,670 --> 00:40:58,050
do a three-month relocation, we cover the housing for three months for new

512
00:40:58,050 --> 00:41:04,270
employees for many types of employees, including physicians, but we can't wear one place burned

513
00:41:04,270 --> 00:41:10,170
down and with that, we can't place families with pets. And so that's, you know, being able

514
00:41:10,170 --> 00:41:15,310
to buy a house and bring your entire family. That's a game changer for people.

515
00:41:18,770 --> 00:41:27,690
I think that I think it's important that we reflect that the majority of the examples

516
00:41:27,690 --> 00:41:32,870
that have been given of reasons why there have been difficulties with recruitment or not

517
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:39,610
reflected in this program. This program, in my opinion, has been very successful. And also,

518
00:41:39,930 --> 00:41:45,950
you know, several other members of the council have spoken on the retention element. That is

519
00:41:45,950 --> 00:41:50,230
baked into it specifically. They receive the money and payments over the period of time that they

520
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:55,550
serve here. And if you look at the physicians that have benefited from this program, the majority

521
00:41:55,550 --> 00:42:00,870
of them have stayed relatively close to the 60 months that are outlined in the program.

522
00:42:02,130 --> 00:42:06,850
So, I think in the sense of recruitment and retention, this program is actually pretty

523
00:42:06,850 --> 00:42:12,230
successful. The problem that we're running into is the overlap period that happens when

524
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:20,650
a physician decides to leave our community. The immediacy of need makes for a challenge

525
00:42:20,650 --> 00:42:26,650
and staffing and I would say just from what I've heard today that one of the biggest

526
00:42:26,650 --> 00:42:32,270
pressures of that is it access to immediate housing and that's not something that's reflected

527
00:42:32,270 --> 00:42:37,690
in the success of this program at all. I would say that this program has done exactly

528
00:42:37,690 --> 00:42:44,790
what it's intended to do. The problem is the availability of housing and the challenges

529
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:46,150
is moving through remote community.

530
00:42:49,940 --> 00:42:53,240
Mayor Pratt, I love Mayor Fleming has his hand raised online.

531
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,400
Mayor Fleming, did you have a comment there?

532
00:42:57,180 --> 00:42:57,620
Discussion there?

533
00:42:59,750 --> 00:43:01,210
Yeah, I sure did, Austin.

534
00:43:02,130 --> 00:43:05,230
I agree with everything that's been said so far.

535
00:43:05,530 --> 00:43:07,790
I think my biggest question was is that,

536
00:43:08,430 --> 00:43:11,490
and maybe I missed the meeting, but we never had,

537
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:15,150
I do believe, as a council been brought in year after year,

538
00:43:15,250 --> 00:43:16,870
since we started the program and said,

539
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:23,350
that it's been very successful and this is what we need to continue to do from what I heard

540
00:43:23,350 --> 00:43:29,170
from Dr. Collins and everything and all the doctors there but what I'm kind of hearing

541
00:43:29,170 --> 00:43:35,150
is that what we need to do instead of try to work these issues out as a council is in

542
00:43:35,150 --> 00:43:39,170
the next couple of years it sounds like recruitment is going to continue to get harder and harder

543
00:43:39,170 --> 00:43:45,750
and so what I would suggest is that the council and anybody else that we can think of that

544
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:51,530
would help us with this process is that once a year we get together and we look at the recruitment

545
00:43:51,530 --> 00:43:56,470
process that we've gotten placed for the following year and kind of move from there and where we can

546
00:43:56,470 --> 00:44:03,190
work some of these issues and make this a robust program as we continue forward. I'm willing to

547
00:44:03,190 --> 00:44:08,350
put in a time and make that happen and you know for the meeting and I know almost all the council

548
00:44:08,350 --> 00:44:15,870
members are too. I don't hear anybody arguing with the attributes of this program, but I think

549
00:44:15,870 --> 00:44:20,970
what we're going to find out is that as things get tougher and tougher, even if we fixed housing

550
00:44:20,970 --> 00:44:26,090
and daycare, which we are doing a really good job, and I think we're moving in the right direction,

551
00:44:26,350 --> 00:44:32,070
but this is going to be a continual issue. I think Mr. Collins said that there was going to be

552
00:44:32,070 --> 00:44:38,290
in the next 10 years, almost like a doubling of needed physicians in places and, you know,

553
00:44:38,410 --> 00:44:42,210
with our package needs to continue to grow and supplement that as it goes on.

554
00:44:42,310 --> 00:44:46,930
So I think what I'd like to propose is that we do something like that as a working group

555
00:44:46,930 --> 00:44:47,510
once a year.

556
00:44:47,590 --> 00:44:48,170
We get together.

557
00:44:48,370 --> 00:44:53,370
We make sure everything we've got is the best package that values can put forth and kind of

558
00:44:53,370 --> 00:44:56,650
go from there and work the issues, rather than at a council meeting.

559
00:44:57,350 --> 00:44:57,950
Thank you.

560
00:45:00,850 --> 00:45:30,830
Anybody else have any? I would piggyback on to that and maybe even suggest that we have a work session with the Health Advisory Council to see if they can culminate some ideas, you know, Melanie's the expert. You know, I've, I've combed a lot of research articles recently to try and figure out what other places are doing and they're doing all of these things. And they also mentioned time off as a big thing.

561
00:45:30,830 --> 00:45:38,910
for folks. And I think we all understand the importance of having physicians in our community.

562
00:45:39,570 --> 00:45:45,490
And I also think that there is some room to talk about advanced practice providers as well.

563
00:45:45,710 --> 00:45:51,670
I get it. Physicians are the pantheia of like they can do all the things. But if we're going to run

564
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:56,770
into this issue where we can't even get physicians because they just are non-existent.

565
00:45:56,770 --> 00:46:05,450
You know, 25% of the population in the United States lives in rural areas and only 10% of physicians reside in these areas.

566
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:10,710
So if it's going to get worse than that, we're in for a rude awakening.

567
00:46:11,050 --> 00:46:25,490
But if we can work with the Health Advisory Council to try and put our heads together and figure out how we can be like that carrot that everybody wants, I think we need to do that for our community.

568
00:46:25,490 --> 00:46:31,730
especially with our current unicorns wanting to work less because then

569
00:46:31,730 --> 00:46:36,630
that's our obstetric program and that's a big deal for this community. We don't

570
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:40,890
want to have to send our community to Anchorage for three months in the

571
00:46:40,890 --> 00:46:45,330
summertime. Can you imagine that if you don't have family? So yeah

572
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:49,720
I guess just to

573
00:46:49,720 --> 00:46:54,780
close it out anyway. I think just from my perspective and talking with Dr. Todd

574
00:46:54,780 --> 00:46:59,960
and talking with Dr. Sherbin and one of the big pieces

575
00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:03,020
and kind of what council member Soorem talked about

576
00:47:03,700 --> 00:47:07,180
this city's program seems like it's just one part

577
00:47:07,620 --> 00:47:11,600
of what a recruitment and retention program needs to be.

578
00:47:14,180 --> 00:47:17,040
It doesn't seem like the retention thing is really where

579
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,820
it needs to be in my opinion, keeping on to folks

580
00:47:20,820 --> 00:47:23,320
that have left, I certainly would have liked

581
00:47:24,060 --> 00:47:28,380
some of those folks that have left this state, and some of the things that, you know,

582
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,820
those folks that have met, you know, left and people that are still here,

583
00:47:30,980 --> 00:47:34,700
have mentioned to me is that, you know, the different factors that play into retention

584
00:47:34,700 --> 00:47:38,560
and recruitment, it's not just a financial issue, you know, as, you know,

585
00:47:38,980 --> 00:47:41,560
everybody hears, I think, talked about, to some degree or another.

586
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:46,500
And one of the things that really, you know, stuck out to me in my conversations

587
00:47:46,500 --> 00:47:48,480
with the physicians was the working conditions.

588
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:56,740
It wasn't, it didn't mention, you know, financial benefits is really the thing that was like in the

589
00:47:56,740 --> 00:48:03,180
crawl of why they stay or leave. What really stood out was working conditions, things like schedules,

590
00:48:03,500 --> 00:48:10,400
things like how physicians that live here versus the physicians that are here part time in terms of

591
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:16,180
scheduling preferences, people that weren't here in scheduling preferences, people that are here,

592
00:48:16,180 --> 00:48:21,120
and how that affects, you know, you're wanting to be here and then the pay thing too.

593
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:28,040
So it just seems like this is only one part of it. I think it's a good idea to have the health

594
00:48:29,100 --> 00:48:35,640
advisory board and certainly our physicians in our hospital administrator and our

595
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:44,400
administration get together to put together a more comprehensive program that builds on this part

596
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:49,900
because there's stuff that the city can't, we don't have control over, we don't have control over

597
00:48:49,900 --> 00:48:56,080
local conditions, we don't have control over cultural factors. And you know, and you know,

598
00:48:56,140 --> 00:48:59,540
certainly Melanie doesn't have control about with big providence, I'm sure, you know, the

599
00:48:59,540 --> 00:49:06,300
streets versus, you know, little values, you know, the difference there. But yeah, I guess

600
00:49:06,300 --> 00:49:12,460
I'd like to see something more comprehensive. I think that this program is not enough to

601
00:49:12,460 --> 00:49:15,840
get what we want in more needs to be done,

602
00:49:18,190 --> 00:49:19,510
that's all I have to say.

603
00:49:21,090 --> 00:49:26,110
I just speak to the big proud statement. I felt the need when Dr. Todd was talking to,

604
00:49:26,270 --> 00:49:33,410
but I respect, we all have perspectives, right? Big prom versus little prom. I think I'm both,

605
00:49:34,670 --> 00:49:39,290
but Providence has been very supportive of our efforts. I just want that to be very, very clear

606
00:49:39,290 --> 00:49:44,330
no matter what they are. When I say, I want to take on a clinic and I don't want it to be under

607
00:49:44,330 --> 00:49:49,130
Providence Medical Group. They say, is that going to work for values? I say, yes, it's going to work

608
00:49:49,130 --> 00:49:55,770
for values. They say, go forth, do good. I say, I'm having a problem challenging. I'm having a

609
00:49:55,770 --> 00:50:01,110
problem with recruiting physicians for coverage for my hospital. They say, here's the contact information

610
00:50:01,110 --> 00:50:06,550
for our group. This is what we do. What might you use from that? And I've called their people and

611
00:50:06,550 --> 00:50:07,450
they've asked those questions.

612
00:50:08,090 --> 00:50:10,830
So our big private team, we're on the same team.

613
00:50:11,230 --> 00:50:12,690
They want the same thing we want.

614
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:14,070
They want us to be stable.

615
00:50:14,290 --> 00:50:16,810
They want us to do everything that we can do here here.

616
00:50:17,450 --> 00:50:19,630
So they have not created any barriers.

617
00:50:19,870 --> 00:50:23,530
I just want to be really clear that that's not real.

618
00:50:24,070 --> 00:50:25,270
There are no barriers.

619
00:50:25,890 --> 00:50:28,430
Any kind of compensation structure, things like that.

620
00:50:28,690 --> 00:50:31,310
Yes, Alaska does pay better than any other state.

621
00:50:31,650 --> 00:50:32,050
That's true.

622
00:50:32,970 --> 00:50:35,330
That's not a providence thing, that's an Alaska thing, right?

623
00:50:35,330 --> 00:50:40,310
And we use national benchmarking data across multiple surveys to look at position compensation.

624
00:50:41,030 --> 00:50:42,750
So that's not a providence thing.

625
00:50:43,230 --> 00:50:49,330
Every large company does that same thing and that's what keeps you safe from lawsuits.

626
00:50:50,070 --> 00:50:55,370
Overpaying positions, even when employed, has implications and when I say overpaying, there

627
00:50:55,370 --> 00:51:02,030
are many ways that we structure a nice rich compensation package still within the boundaries of regulation.

628
00:51:03,150 --> 00:51:08,090
So, I just want to make sure everyone is very aware our Providence team is very supportive

629
00:51:08,090 --> 00:51:12,350
of our efforts here, and they're willing to help with whatever needs to be done.

630
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:16,750
So Dr. Todd's point also though, we realize there's some time there, right?

631
00:51:16,910 --> 00:51:21,090
Some time that she needs to spend in meetings, that's not productive time, but it's productive

632
00:51:21,090 --> 00:51:21,890
for us, right?

633
00:51:21,970 --> 00:51:22,370
We need it.

634
00:51:22,810 --> 00:51:24,910
We need her guidance on policy issues.

635
00:51:25,170 --> 00:51:27,210
We need her guidance on drafting bylaws.

636
00:51:27,210 --> 00:51:32,990
We need her to oversee residents, and that's all part of our package, that math is all figured out.

637
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:47,180
I guess I just had one last question for you, Melanie, was, you know, in regards to, you know, seward as a Providence facility, a similar population, you know, different in terms of access for road access and things like that.

638
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:55,720
And Cody act does, too, you know, there's a lot more remote, but similar population size, but certainly different things these community needs.

639
00:51:55,720 --> 00:52:02,340
but what challenges are they facing in terms of physician recruitment? Are they the same?

640
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,900
Are there city councils also giving financial incentives?

641
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:13,240
No, we're the only group doing that and their structures are different. So you ask a great question

642
00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:18,140
even amongst my prominent siblings in critical access hospitals, we look very different.

643
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:24,040
Kodiak, for example, they partner with an AHC for primary care.

644
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:28,260
So they only have some specialty clinics, they don't do primary care, so they're partners.

645
00:52:28,700 --> 00:52:34,040
They've actually made some changes this year in those physicians covering in their hospital,

646
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,940
but physicians were saying they're having a hard time juggling this, and so they've developed

647
00:52:37,940 --> 00:52:39,240
kind of a hospitalist program.

648
00:52:40,140 --> 00:52:43,520
So their model has changed this past year, and it's very different than ours.

649
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:56,400
So it is probably most like us in structure and the fact that they're in a management agreement with Providence just like we are they're owned by the city just like we are and the city does invest in capital.

650
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:05,400
We're going to build another cottage we hope this year for their long-term care and that will come from city funds from the profits that are in a holding accounts similar to ours.

651
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:10,780
So, their structure is like ours, but their primary care was private, and it is still private,

652
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:19,020
so it's not operated under-sourced hospital, and they've had some devastating blows to

653
00:53:19,020 --> 00:53:19,960
that practice this year.

654
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:25,600
So, they've had to change their model based on not being able to find that practice as

655
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:31,400
unable to recruit, and therefore, seward hospital is doing kind of like what we've done with

656
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:36,360
our hospital model of directly employing per-dem positions for the most part to cover their

657
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:43,140
hospital shifts. So their challenges have kind of led them to a similar place to where

658
00:53:43,140 --> 00:53:45,460
we are, but they haven't yet taken on primary care.

659
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,040
Great. Anything else from Council?

660
00:53:54,650 --> 00:53:55,330
Hope for the vote, I suppose.

661
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:12,060
So the motion on the floor is resolution number 2436 establishing physician recruitment program

662
00:54:12,060 --> 00:54:17,880
and rescinding resolution number 1820, which formerly established this program.

663
00:54:19,020 --> 00:54:21,160
So that's the motion on the floor.

664
00:54:21,380 --> 00:54:22,840
All those in favor, please say aye.

665
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:23,440
Aye.

666
00:54:24,180 --> 00:54:24,900
All those opposed.

667
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:25,440
Aye.

668
00:54:26,820 --> 00:54:29,480
We have six yeas.

669
00:54:30,140 --> 00:54:30,900
One nay.

670
00:54:31,240 --> 00:54:33,600
The nay is mere filming.

671
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:34,520
Motion carries.

672
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:35,060
Did you see?

673
00:54:35,580 --> 00:54:36,620
I think you was an aye.

674
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:37,960
Oh, I agree.

675
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:38,860
I was an aye.

676
00:54:38,860 --> 00:54:42,520
I. Will you come in on the nay section, Dennis?

677
00:54:44,930 --> 00:54:48,170
I've been a victim of the delay to, Dennis, don't feel too bad.

678
00:54:48,930 --> 00:54:50,190
I stand for it.

679
00:54:50,570 --> 00:54:52,490
You have seven years, motion carries.

680
00:54:53,630 --> 00:54:56,370
Thank you for everybody's comments and I too.

681
00:54:56,650 --> 00:54:57,570
Appreciate y'all being here.

682
00:55:03,240 --> 00:55:08,220
The next item up for new business is the approval of the selection

683
00:55:08,220 --> 00:55:10,420
of the West Wing of Herman Hutchins Elementary School

684
00:55:10,420 --> 00:55:14,280
as the site location for future child care center development.

685
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:16,440
move to approve. Second.

686
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,460
Moved by Council Member Storm. Seconded by Council Member Shane.

687
00:55:23,340 --> 00:55:24,120
Council of discussion.

688
00:55:32,940 --> 00:55:39,000
I did get a letter from a member of School Board requesting that we have a work session

689
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,900
on this topic in the near future. Is that something that can be arranged?

690
00:55:48,340 --> 00:55:53,720
John, I would say, Andrew. Certainly something we can facilitate at the council's discretion

691
00:55:53,720 --> 00:55:58,840
when you'd like to have that up to you. Sounds like the school board is interested in having that

692
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:05,360
with you all. And would that discussion be respective or irrespective of the vote today?

693
00:56:05,860 --> 00:56:14,360
Would this be a binding vote that can't be changed if we learn some sort of ground-breaking

694
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:20,260
information from the school forward or something? That thing's pardoned, of course, for God's

695
00:56:20,260 --> 00:56:31,320
not going to answer it. So Councilmember Devons, if that becomes a will of council, a work

696
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:38,960
session, I mean, always my suggestion would be that you postpone action on this. If that's

697
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:43,840
much easier than trying to undo something and something that you're going to learn in the

698
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:49,620
future information that you don't have readily available now. So that's always my recommendation

699
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:58,940
for that. That's about what I expected you to say. In light of that information, can I make

700
00:56:58,940 --> 00:57:00,940
a motion to postpone this to the next regular meeting?

701
00:57:07,660 --> 00:57:09,200
If you're looking for a second, I'll

702
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:09,660
second it.

703
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:14,580
Okay,

704
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:23,440
so it will be postponed to the next regular meeting. It will be postponed to

705
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:31,320
the next regular meeting and so that will be October 1st. So I'll let you discuss the

706
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:35,880
motion first before I offer any options for your work sessions.

707
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:41,480
Yes, the motion on the table is the motion to postpone. Has it more so on?

708
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:54,680
Yeah, and it gets to be a little bit overlapping, but we open process and I think it's a little

709
00:57:54,680 --> 00:58:01,000
odd to throw a monkey ranch in things when we've been trying so hard to make progress

710
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:01,640
on this.

711
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:07,620
There's issues I wanted to talk about before we start postponing things, but when we tried

712
00:58:07,620 --> 00:58:13,560
to get the middle school bill. The school, you know, we had real hard time getting the

713
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:19,300
eds back because the school was overbilled. The footprint was too big for the existing school

714
00:58:19,300 --> 00:58:26,500
population and it's gone down since then so they were able to move the whole middle school

715
00:58:26,500 --> 00:58:33,220
into that space at the elementary school. I don't, you know, there's so many benefits to it for the

716
00:58:33,220 --> 00:58:39,800
community and for the school district and for the teachers, and people had, we had a workshop

717
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:45,240
with school board on this subject and they really didn't want to participate. I mean,

718
00:58:45,660 --> 00:58:53,600
I can remember one of them, two of them saying, what do we have to do with child care? I mean,

719
00:58:53,680 --> 00:59:02,240
literally, they didn't think they had any role in that, which I find just amazing. I think,

720
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:08,960
at some point, we need to move on. I don't know what else to say. It's the

721
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:15,960
Valdez city schools and that facilities belongs to the city of Valdez and it's

722
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:22,420
not being fully utilized. I don't really see, you know, this people you get

723
00:59:22,420 --> 00:59:26,860
probably all about it, but you know, I mean, there has to be a certain level of

724
00:59:26,860 --> 00:59:34,280
operation we fund that school above and beyond anything that's required by the state and we find

725
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:39,020
creative ways to fund them some more. I mean I think it's got to be a two-way street. What's

726
00:59:39,020 --> 00:59:42,000
good for the communities? Good for the school. Thanks.

727
00:59:45,630 --> 00:59:47,030
Mayor Flutton has his hand raised.

728
00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:54,010
Mayor Flanne. Good to you next. Yeah. Can everybody hear me? Yes. Yes.

729
00:59:54,010 --> 00:59:59,970
Yeah, okay. I'm sorry about that. I was working some technical difficulties when Jimmy kind of

730
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:07,080
I did that the motion, which I'm glad he did, but I was trying to get in there. I agree with

731
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:12,280
Alan in some respects. I definitely think that we've talked about this and we're not rushing

732
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:17,680
this by any means, shape, or form. But I think this program as a whole is something

733
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:24,680
that I'm willing to talk to the school board about before we make this decision. And regardless

734
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:30,880
hardless of how we got to this position, you know, of the work session and maybe some

735
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:34,580
people on the school board not knowing that we were going to pick the building, whatever

736
01:00:34,580 --> 01:00:41,440
the reasons are, I think this is a worthwhile project and I don't think that by postponing

737
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:47,180
it two weeks is going to hurt us in any way shape or form for our next steps to continue

738
01:00:47,180 --> 01:00:47,480
on.

739
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:52,820
And then I also want, you know, we talk about community involvement, community, everything

740
01:00:52,820 --> 01:00:57,880
else and I get where Allen's coming from. I'm kind of a little frustrated there myself, but

741
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:03,720
at the same time, I don't want such a good program to have a contentious beginning. I think that

742
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:10,300
we have done RG diligence and by just having the school board there for, you know, a work session

743
01:01:10,300 --> 01:01:14,660
with us to talk us through this, maybe we've seen something that maybe they see something we don't,

744
01:01:14,900 --> 01:01:18,560
maybe they just want to get on board with what we're going to plan on doing. I know that there's

745
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:24,520
a lot of talk about, you know, a potential remodel of the elementary school while we move

746
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:28,960
the, you know, the daycare into that place. And maybe those are parts of those conversations

747
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:33,940
that they want to have to understand what we're trying to accomplish. But by no means do

748
01:01:33,940 --> 01:01:39,660
I think that this program's going to fail because, you know, that we have to go back and explain

749
01:01:39,660 --> 01:01:45,220
ourselves one bit. I think this program is very much needed in our community. I don't see

750
01:01:45,220 --> 01:01:49,320
a problem with postponing it for two weeks given the school board the opportunity to hear

751
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:53,720
what we got to say and hear what they have to say and then moving on. And I just really

752
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:58,640
don't think there's a big issue here but I agree with Alan on some of the frustrations

753
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:03,340
when especially when we add you know the superintendent that was there that was part of this whole

754
01:02:03,340 --> 01:02:08,380
selection committee that was doing all this work but regardless of that I still think

755
01:02:08,380 --> 01:02:14,360
it's well worth a great project and I'm 100% forward. I just don't think that we need

756
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:17,040
to start out with some contentious issues

757
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:18,900
when we can just talk about it and work it through.

758
01:02:19,220 --> 01:02:20,600
That's my two cents, thanks.

759
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:26,140
I absolutely agree with the points that Alan made.

760
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:28,880
We have had a very robust public process

761
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:31,900
in regards to this topic

762
01:02:31,900 --> 01:02:34,400
and obviously all of this information is available.

763
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:36,640
I will say that in the majority,

764
01:02:37,340 --> 01:02:39,500
the majority of all the questions that were asked

765
01:02:39,500 --> 01:02:42,080
in the email that I received from a school board member

766
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:45,200
are answered in the publicly available materials.

767
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:51,080
It's my perspective that what the school board is wanting,

768
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:55,300
what they're requesting is just a part in this section

769
01:02:55,300 --> 01:02:58,200
of the public process, and if that's what they want,

770
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:00,260
I think that it's fair that we offer that to them.

771
01:03:00,260 --> 01:03:02,540
It is their facility as much as it is ours.

772
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:07,100
So I think that even though all of this information

773
01:03:07,100 --> 01:03:10,360
is readily available, I think delivering it

774
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:13,080
in a public meeting is a reasonable request.

775
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:15,680
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

776
01:03:17,100 --> 01:03:20,500
Yes, I agree that it's been a very public process.

777
01:03:20,860 --> 01:03:22,900
It's obviously been our priority for some time

778
01:03:22,900 --> 01:03:25,840
and we've been working towards this very outcome.

779
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,340
But I do think it's absolutely appropriate

780
01:03:29,340 --> 01:03:31,480
to meet with the school board.

781
01:03:31,980 --> 01:03:34,280
I'm actually surprised we didn't meet with them

782
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,680
before this made its way onto the agenda this evening.

783
01:03:36,940 --> 01:03:39,460
So I think I'm totally in support of doing that.

784
01:03:39,700 --> 01:03:40,900
I would like to do it quickly

785
01:03:40,900 --> 01:03:46,160
because I don't want to keep kicking this hand down the road, but I don't think, I agree with

786
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:51,380
Dennis, I don't think it was pointing at a short period of time. I don't believe I've heard or seen

787
01:03:51,380 --> 01:03:56,760
that we're under any huge time constraint that we're going to lose anything, so I think that we

788
01:03:57,380 --> 01:04:04,060
should do it. I think it's totally appropriate that the council would meet with the school board

789
01:04:04,060 --> 01:04:14,410
on this very specific project so I agree with everything that's been said so far.

790
01:04:15,330 --> 01:04:22,050
The only thing that I would say is to, I guess, justify the work session is the loss

791
01:04:22,050 --> 01:04:29,450
of the superintendent the week before school started and maybe that bridge that was to

792
01:04:29,450 --> 01:04:35,770
to this child care issue was lost when he departed.

793
01:04:36,150 --> 01:04:39,210
So maybe that's where the gap became evident.

794
01:04:39,830 --> 01:04:42,230
So I would support the work session

795
01:04:42,230 --> 01:04:44,290
and but not postponing very long.

796
01:04:46,980 --> 01:04:49,280
Jerry, in terms of the October,

797
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:52,740
one already on the agenda,

798
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:54,420
what's already on our agenda on October one?

799
01:04:56,920 --> 01:05:04,520
We could basically what I would probably suggest is that we have the museum, but we can

800
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:07,280
move that into the agenda as a corporation.

801
01:05:07,580 --> 01:05:10,740
So that frees up space prior to your next meeting.

802
01:05:11,180 --> 01:05:16,540
You could start at 30 if you need a little bit longer, you think, but this will come back

803
01:05:16,540 --> 01:05:22,820
on October 1st, but if you haven't worked three or issues, you could still postpone again.

804
01:05:22,820 --> 01:05:39,500
But so if you did the work session on October 1st with the board, if the board could be available for that, then that would give some time for them to go through the materials that are available.

805
01:05:39,500 --> 01:05:46,440
regarding the school, some of the architectural drawings, notes, whatever. I mean, we have all that.

806
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:54,600
It could have the opportunity to listen to some of the meetings, but that's just my suggestion is that we've

807
01:05:54,600 --> 01:06:00,500
got a little bit of space and do the work session prior to the meeting on October 1st.

808
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:08,620
That's perfect suggestion. I think if we can, you know, have that meeting, you know,

809
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:14,560
my one reservation is just that we may not have all the answers to the questions that folks want now.

810
01:06:14,820 --> 01:06:20,660
I think Nate, the ball spoke a little bit about it that there are a lot of logistical questions

811
01:06:20,660 --> 01:06:22,800
and, you know, who's going to go where, when, and how.

812
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:29,480
And, you know, it was always the intention to have a much more detailed conversation about all of those issues.

813
01:06:30,220 --> 01:06:34,900
at a work session in the future so we just can move that up identify those

814
01:06:34,900 --> 01:06:39,060
questions you know I think blues and rain coastal strategies there they're

815
01:06:39,060 --> 01:06:42,180
contractually is to look at some of those foundational organizational

816
01:06:42,180 --> 01:06:46,160
questions and they can look at ways to maybe bring them in to make sure that they're

817
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:50,620
aware of those concerns that have been identified and that she's got that in her

818
01:06:50,620 --> 01:06:58,800
mind as she develops your own her product for his scope for her work so to you all

819
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:02,080
I'm happy to puzzle the facility or work session with the clerks on the first.

820
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:10,960
It would also give us time to contact the architects and see if maybe they could be available

821
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,320
if there's questions at the work session.

822
01:07:15,140 --> 01:07:23,480
So I guess I would ask the School Board Presidency and one of our school board members, would

823
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:30,140
do you like to could you go could you ask if there's availability for the majority of the members

824
01:07:30,140 --> 01:07:33,300
to meet with us on the first you

825
01:07:35,380 --> 01:07:36,680
think it'll work?

826
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:46,220
Well I can't remember it faster. So I agree to

827
01:07:46,220 --> 01:07:52,760
the work session but I think the reason why this ended up on our agenda is because we've had super

828
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:56,980
superintendent involvement with this exact item.

829
01:07:57,260 --> 01:08:00,420
And actually, it was recommended to us

830
01:08:00,420 --> 01:08:04,220
front by the superintendent to use

831
01:08:04,220 --> 01:08:05,900
Herman Hutchins Elementary School

832
01:08:05,900 --> 01:08:09,700
and touted as this would be a really great place

833
01:08:09,700 --> 01:08:11,240
to have a childcare facility.

834
01:08:11,980 --> 01:08:15,220
And then at the work session for the childcare facility

835
01:08:15,220 --> 01:08:20,060
selection, the acting superintendent again

836
01:08:20,060 --> 01:08:28,880
was at that work session as a strong proponent of this work moving forward.

837
01:08:30,060 --> 01:08:33,940
And so that's why I think it ended up on the agenda, the way that it did.

838
01:08:34,180 --> 01:08:38,140
And I do believe it's been a very public, very transparent process.

839
01:08:39,180 --> 01:08:45,380
I think that childcare is, we just have to make sure that we are delineating these lines.

840
01:08:45,380 --> 01:09:14,300
It is not school board, it's not school K through 12 related and we've been very, you know, open and transparent about that as well with the superintendent, you know, the whole time it's been, this is not a school board issue, this is not related to K through 12, this is its own function, it's an independent industry that will reside alongside our elementary school.

841
01:09:14,300 --> 01:09:25,520
So I think we were not trying to slight the school board in any way shape or form and the reason that it got on this agenda is for all of those reasons that I just mentioned.

842
01:09:26,260 --> 01:09:39,600
So I'm amenable to having a work session but I really I would like to see this work to continue to move forward as it is a council priority and it's been a top priority for a number of years.

843
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:46,460
and this is taken, it takes, this is hard work and it takes long, long hours and we've had

844
01:09:46,460 --> 01:09:53,420
a child care task force that volunteered to come in with all the leaders in our community and put

845
01:09:53,420 --> 01:10:00,060
in a tremendous amount of time to this work. So I'm amenable to a work session but I think that

846
01:10:00,060 --> 01:10:04,900
that is my explanation as far as why that and this ended up on our agenda this evening

847
01:10:05,500 --> 01:10:10,720
And I wish we could vote it through tonight, but I'll go for the rest of it.

848
01:10:11,820 --> 01:10:16,980
I'll just chime in on the motion to postpone from

849
01:10:19,090 --> 01:10:21,150
the very beginning of the Childcare Task Force.

850
01:10:21,310 --> 01:10:27,990
We've had school involvement from day one from the superintendent involved in that task force.

851
01:10:28,290 --> 01:10:31,630
And that was open to people, the public, and we have volunteers serving on that task force.

852
01:10:31,630 --> 01:10:37,490
And, in fact, the superintendent was on the subcommittee of that task for us, regarding

853
01:10:37,490 --> 01:10:39,850
specifically for the facility.

854
01:10:42,150 --> 01:10:48,070
And even early on, that subcommittee was circling to the school is something that this makes

855
01:10:48,070 --> 01:10:49,290
a lot of the boxes.

856
01:10:51,470 --> 01:10:54,610
So we've had the schools involved from the very beginning.

857
01:10:54,730 --> 01:10:56,210
This is over a year ago, more than.

858
01:10:56,210 --> 01:10:58,050
and countless volunteer hours.

859
01:10:58,370 --> 01:11:01,950
Now we extended public funds for the architectural analysis.

860
01:11:02,870 --> 01:11:04,350
Everything was publicly noticed.

861
01:11:04,750 --> 01:11:05,530
It was deliberative.

862
01:11:05,750 --> 01:11:06,530
It was methodical.

863
01:11:07,710 --> 01:11:11,110
Board member Prox, who shared the email with the council,

864
01:11:11,550 --> 01:11:17,070
he came and voiced his ideas when the task force report

865
01:11:17,070 --> 01:11:17,710
came out.

866
01:11:19,390 --> 01:11:21,910
And then now we're hearing from him

867
01:11:21,910 --> 01:11:24,170
that we surprised to see this on our agenda.

868
01:11:24,170 --> 01:11:27,370
that even though two weeks ago we had a public work session

869
01:11:27,370 --> 01:11:30,650
on the old thing, I believe President Kim was invited

870
01:11:30,650 --> 01:11:31,690
to that work session.

871
01:11:32,430 --> 01:11:34,130
The acting superintendent was there

872
01:11:34,890 --> 01:11:37,150
and elementary school principal is there.

873
01:11:38,030 --> 01:11:41,590
George's strong support for what's in front of us right now,

874
01:11:41,590 --> 01:11:43,390
which is approval of the selection of the West Wing

875
01:11:43,390 --> 01:11:45,270
or their Herman Hutchins Elementary School.

876
01:11:46,310 --> 01:11:48,810
And when the Task Force Committee's report came out,

877
01:11:48,930 --> 01:11:50,890
one of the key things we discussed was we need

878
01:11:50,890 --> 01:11:53,350
to identify this facility so that we can actually start

879
01:11:53,350 --> 01:11:59,050
having concrete operation and management discussions so that we can actually bring that box.

880
01:12:00,290 --> 01:12:06,610
And the only questions I saw in Board Member Prox's email that were substantive were about

881
01:12:06,610 --> 01:12:13,590
management and operation. They weren't about the site selection. And so what I'm afraid of is by

882
01:12:13,590 --> 01:12:20,170
postponing, we're going to get down the road of this management and operations discussion, which

883
01:12:20,170 --> 01:12:24,510
first we need to either approve this school thing or not because if we're not going to go

884
01:12:24,510 --> 01:12:28,130
with the school, we're talking to the wrong people about the management operation part.

885
01:12:28,550 --> 01:12:32,370
We've already highlighted that as council member Devon stated, in the task forces

886
01:12:33,130 --> 01:12:37,050
combed through all that, we know that's going to be the huge rat's nest that council member

887
01:12:38,050 --> 01:12:44,030
prox said that is the harder part, the management and operations. So I don't approve post-pony

888
01:12:44,030 --> 01:12:49,210
this just so that we can have a discussion about items that are going to be coming down the road.

889
01:12:49,210 --> 01:12:52,150
but I absolutely support meeting with the school board

890
01:12:52,150 --> 01:12:54,070
about what this could look like management now,

891
01:12:54,190 --> 01:12:55,770
facing wise, and if things come up in that,

892
01:12:56,210 --> 01:12:58,510
that clearly state that the school ain't the spot,

893
01:12:59,230 --> 01:13:01,310
then that's a whole other horse of a different color.

894
01:13:01,530 --> 01:13:03,290
But we've had architects where experts

895
01:13:03,950 --> 01:13:05,810
in designing childcare facilities,

896
01:13:05,810 --> 01:13:06,950
who were here two weeks ago,

897
01:13:07,490 --> 01:13:08,870
telling us what a great spot this is,

898
01:13:09,050 --> 01:13:12,870
and we unanimously, not by vote, but all give a head nod.

899
01:13:14,110 --> 01:13:16,870
And now it kind of seems like there's the surprise,

900
01:13:16,870 --> 01:13:21,990
but we've had a superintendent and numerous school board people on board the

901
01:13:21,990 --> 01:13:28,010
whole time. Are they not telling the school board what's going on? I just don't

902
01:13:28,010 --> 01:13:30,750
understand it's a failure to communicate because I feel like we've done our

903
01:13:30,750 --> 01:13:36,190
part to communicate. So I don't see the harm in moving ahead without this

904
01:13:36,190 --> 01:13:39,450
phoning and just getting this rolling and having a work session absolutely we're

905
01:13:39,450 --> 01:13:42,910
going to be in the facility that they manage. So we have to have that

906
01:13:42,910 --> 01:13:46,410
discussion. So once we approve this hopefully then we have that

907
01:13:46,410 --> 01:13:52,350
discussion. So, and we have such an agenda coming up with the next, you know, all our budget

908
01:13:52,350 --> 01:13:57,570
meetings. You want to stuff the, you want to stuff the museum discussion with a regular agenda

909
01:13:57,570 --> 01:14:04,570
meeting? I mean, I don't, but that's just my two cents. That's my resort and then now Lallie.

910
01:14:05,650 --> 01:14:14,210
Yeah, I think you kind of hit the nail on the head. My frustration is board member Pracks was at the

911
01:14:14,210 --> 01:14:22,250
very initial task force meeting. And like I said, they literally didn't know they said

912
01:14:22,250 --> 01:14:27,110
out loud, why are we here? We don't have an interest in child care. But what frustrates

913
01:14:27,110 --> 01:14:33,590
me is his position has not changed. And he can't tell me he hasn't followed this from

914
01:14:33,590 --> 01:14:41,090
one end to the other. So that's my objection to a delay is the one person I got email from

915
01:14:41,090 --> 01:14:48,400
is on record and already opposed this a long time ago. I don't see what's changed.

916
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:55,280
You know if everybody else put the effort into it and he hasn't changed his

917
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:57,900
position so why is that a surprise at this point?

918
01:14:59,060 --> 01:14:59,720
Have a good day.

919
01:15:00,780 --> 01:15:30,740
And I guess my concern is what the mayor mentioned about starting this off on the wrong footer with a bone contention, but if we postpone this and have a work session, and there's questions that we're not going to be able to answer. So I think with the head nods that we got to during the last meeting or during the work session, I don't think there's anything

920
01:15:30,740 --> 01:15:36,780
that's going to change the minds here so is it still going to are we going to get by that

921
01:15:36,780 --> 01:15:41,100
bone of contention at the next meeting or are we going to be in the same place and we've just

922
01:15:41,100 --> 01:15:43,040
kicked the can down the road for two weeks.

923
01:15:47,260 --> 01:15:50,360
I agree with the points that everybody is making in

924
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:59,960
regards to the delay. I personally do not see a specific utility in this delay. I'm with the

925
01:15:59,960 --> 01:16:05,280
opinion that the sole utility of this delay is a professional courtesy of another elected

926
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:13,300
board who is in a position to oversee the facility that we are discussing. I don't see

927
01:16:13,300 --> 01:16:19,280
at just as Councilman Lalli was just saying, I don't see any possibility that they are

928
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:23,780
going to come up with a million great reasons why this is a bad idea because we've had four

929
01:16:23,780 --> 01:16:29,380
years to figure that out. And so far, it has every time come out as the best possible solution

930
01:16:29,380 --> 01:16:35,260
of the problem is we see it. However, I think that the wheels of the government turn slowly

931
01:16:35,260 --> 01:16:43,040
because they're hard to stop and they're hard to start. And if an elected person in a position

932
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:48,840
of overseeing this facility says that they have apprehension and they requested a meeting specifically

933
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:54,220
for the purpose of discussing it, I think that we should offer them the opportunity to discuss it.

934
01:16:54,620 --> 01:16:58,500
Even if we don't feel that our minds will be changed, and I'll be honest, I do not feel that my

935
01:16:58,500 --> 01:16:59,200
and mine will be changed.

936
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:01,440
I support the use of this facility absolutely,

937
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:04,440
but I would like to lend them the opportunity.

938
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:06,660
Ms. Mershaye.

939
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:10,460
I agree 100% with what council member Devon's just saying.

940
01:17:11,140 --> 01:17:13,460
That is exactly what I feel the purpose

941
01:17:13,460 --> 01:17:14,980
of the discussion would be.

942
01:17:16,380 --> 01:17:17,740
Mayor Flamingo's was hand raised.

943
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:19,460
Mayor Flamingo?

944
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:23,260
Yeah, and I just want to say I support, you know,

945
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:24,300
exactly what Jimmy said.

946
01:17:24,700 --> 01:17:27,840
I just see this as an opportunity for us to get

947
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:32,880
the two responsible parties together that are going to be running a facility right next to each other.

948
01:17:33,020 --> 01:17:38,840
One inside the other is building ours being the building and our facility inside with the

949
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:44,360
school board answering questions because we did make some assumptions in the original talk.

950
01:17:44,540 --> 01:17:49,460
Now I'm not talking about going back and you know if there are council members or school board members

951
01:17:49,460 --> 01:17:54,120
that say well who's going to run your facility. At this point we don't know and it's basically we're

952
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:57,980
going to work, you know, to try to solve that problem. I have no problem saying that.

953
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:02,760
But at the same time, if there's discussions around, well, is it possible, you know, when

954
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:06,960
you guys are doing this, that we get this done in this building, this done, as we kind

955
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:11,460
of move forward, I don't really see it a big deal. I'd like to give them the professional

956
01:18:11,900 --> 01:18:17,160
courtesy of being there when we make our, just before we make our decision. And that's, that's

957
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:17,580
where I'm at.

958
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:22,020
Any other council comments or discussion?

959
01:18:23,740 --> 01:18:25,100
Public comment, discussion?

960
01:18:29,480 --> 01:18:31,380
The only king of all these city school board chair.

961
01:18:32,020 --> 01:18:35,100
I just want to bring you up to date on how with that.

962
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:37,180
You guys are kind of right.

963
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:38,760
We did have a superintendent.

964
01:18:39,260 --> 01:18:40,300
He's no longer with us.

965
01:18:42,580 --> 01:18:43,340
Guess why?

966
01:18:43,780 --> 01:18:46,560
But that superintendent you guys say was all with you.

967
01:18:47,180 --> 01:18:49,280
At a meeting with Florida Prox on the radio.

968
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:57,280
And he said to go forward it's incompatibility and expense of changing the space isn't going to work.

969
01:18:57,840 --> 01:18:59,060
So he said that on the radio.

970
01:18:59,940 --> 01:19:05,400
We were under the impression this was not, you guys were doing your thing and it just was not going to happen for us.

971
01:19:05,540 --> 01:19:06,060
Like it didn't work.

972
01:19:06,500 --> 01:19:08,140
That's what we were under the impression of.

973
01:19:08,540 --> 01:19:10,040
You may have told you something different.

974
01:19:10,340 --> 01:19:11,220
I don't deny that.

975
01:19:12,740 --> 01:19:16,860
We did get an invite from Nate Devall, assistant city manager the other day.

976
01:19:16,860 --> 01:19:23,240
I was out but Jason Weber was able to attend and I think that's what you're referring to.

977
01:19:23,580 --> 01:19:29,440
That's the elementary school principal and the acting superintendent and he was all excited about.

978
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:36,020
He came back and told us about it and that was literally the first we'd heard of it other than in the past like we were an option.

979
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:42,900
So we're like, oh wow, we're the one and nobody's contacted us on that.

980
01:19:42,900 --> 01:19:44,980
did seem like this was the first for us.

981
01:19:46,020 --> 01:19:49,820
So we asked Superintendent, wherever to contact Nate DeBal,

982
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:52,420
he sent him an email, said, hey, can we have a meeting?

983
01:19:53,380 --> 01:19:55,200
Nate is, I assume, out, okay.

984
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:56,980
So he didn't get back to him.

985
01:19:57,220 --> 01:19:58,700
So then we saw it on the agenda.

986
01:19:59,260 --> 01:20:02,080
Joe proxied that you guys had it on there,

987
01:20:02,220 --> 01:20:03,120
and it was new stuff.

988
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:05,740
So that's kind of how that went down.

989
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:11,720
I do think that it would be good for our board

990
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:18,540
to be on board with this as you would be operating a daycare in the school system. How that's going to work. I

991
01:20:18,540 --> 01:20:27,880
don't know. I have submitted this question to our lawyer, John Cedar, just if he has any concerns. I just

992
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:33,360
think of it a great idea to press all of you on the same page. And that's why we're not. That's why we're

993
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:36,320
fully in the dark. And I apologize for that.

994
01:20:43,510 --> 01:20:45,850
Mayor Fleming, did you have something to comment on?

995
01:20:48,820 --> 01:20:51,260
No, sorry, my hand was still ready. Sorry.

996
01:21:04,250 --> 01:21:10,090
Happy Todd speaking is a Veldy School Board member, but speaking for myself, because really,

997
01:21:10,470 --> 01:21:14,270
you know, we already heard how much extra I'm working.

998
01:21:14,450 --> 01:21:17,650
So I haven't gone through you guys as a agenda every single time or every.

999
01:21:18,210 --> 01:21:22,610
I haven't served on the on the gun of the meetings at the child care, whatever.

1000
01:21:23,010 --> 01:21:28,070
But that really was the first time that we had heard that we were in the main

1001
01:21:29,490 --> 01:21:45,450
intention for being the facility. I'd probably, probably all for it, but I heard about that you guys were going to vote on that by reading my KVA K of newsletter at eight o'clock this morning while I was eating breakfast and managed to print that out and I haven't had a chance to read all 51 pages of it yet.

1002
01:21:45,450 --> 01:21:52,270
I can't speak as myself, I can't speak as anything other than myself because the board hasn't had a chance to discuss this.

1003
01:21:53,750 --> 01:22:00,970
It does affect K-12 education if we're going to say, okay, now we need to use this many classrooms instead of this many classrooms.

1004
01:22:01,390 --> 01:22:06,190
I think that's entirely doable as a person, but I don't know what the board thinks about that.

1005
01:22:06,190 --> 01:22:15,750
Or the last time I heard about using school district facilities was using the administration building and using moving the administration over to that that wing of the school.

1006
01:22:16,110 --> 01:22:26,250
So we're way behind. I think that when you're talking about superintendents leaving and destroying a bridge, I'm not sure there was very good bridge there to begin with is the problem.

1007
01:22:26,250 --> 01:22:32,650
and that's not you guys' fault in any way, shape or form, but we're very sorry about that,

1008
01:22:32,870 --> 01:22:40,670
but it would feel less like I possibly take over if we did what Mayor Fleming said and kind of

1009
01:22:41,550 --> 01:22:48,530
you know get to start out on good foot instead of on a bad foot. So I hope you can do this.

1010
01:22:48,770 --> 01:22:56,230
I have a worry about you doing the session right before your meeting because that doesn't

1011
01:22:56,230 --> 01:22:58,810
and give us any time to talk about it with each other.

1012
01:22:59,030 --> 01:23:01,850
I think I hope, Caitlin, is the one who sets our agenda

1013
01:23:01,850 --> 01:23:04,010
that we get to talk about it maybe ahead of time,

1014
01:23:04,030 --> 01:23:05,350
but we won't have any other information

1015
01:23:05,350 --> 01:23:06,850
within that 51 page thing.

1016
01:23:07,390 --> 01:23:08,890
So we can, and maybe what Jason knows.

1017
01:23:09,410 --> 01:23:11,950
But we can definitely talk about it in our meeting,

1018
01:23:12,130 --> 01:23:14,150
or move our work session so that we will have a chance

1019
01:23:14,150 --> 01:23:17,210
to talk about it before the October first meeting

1020
01:23:17,210 --> 01:23:18,670
because then you're gonna vote on it.

1021
01:23:19,130 --> 01:23:22,190
Right after that, which basically says

1022
01:23:22,190 --> 01:23:24,290
that whatever you guys say in the work session

1023
01:23:24,290 --> 01:23:31,030
is us telling you it has nothing to do with the school board having anything to do with what happens in its buildings.

1024
01:23:31,610 --> 01:23:35,370
So it's less of a slap in the face, but it's still not great.

1025
01:23:35,710 --> 01:23:43,890
And we deserve it because we didn't know what our superintendent was doing, but it would be nice if we could actually have some real conversation.

1026
01:23:44,430 --> 01:23:44,790
Thank you.

1027
01:23:44,790 --> 01:23:45,730
Any

1028
01:23:50,180 --> 01:23:52,820
other public comment on the motion to post them?

1029
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:05,740
I agree with Dr. Todd Sentiment about the timing of the work session.

1030
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:11,220
If we could consider an alternate date, if that's possible for somebody, I know that the

1031
01:24:11,220 --> 01:24:18,220
time frame is relatively short, but even just a few days earlier, I think could really give

1032
01:24:18,220 --> 01:24:22,300
them an opportunity to have their own work session on the topic if they would like to prepare

1033
01:24:22,300 --> 01:24:23,020
a statement.

1034
01:24:23,020 --> 01:24:27,900
And it's just the school board meeting before the first or next

1035
01:24:30,070 --> 01:24:31,590
Monday, they're meeting

1036
01:24:31,590 --> 01:24:32,170
next Monday.

1037
01:24:45,150 --> 01:24:55,170
So at your meeting on October 1st, if something comes, if there's something that would cause

1038
01:24:55,170 --> 01:25:01,790
you to want to delay it further, you always have an option of postponing that again.

1039
01:25:01,790 --> 01:25:07,810
And there's no rule and there's no limit on postponing items.

1040
01:25:08,550 --> 01:25:14,730
So if something came out of that work session where you still felt that you're not wanting

1041
01:25:14,730 --> 01:25:20,030
to make a decision that night on the item on the agenda, you can postpone it again.

1042
01:25:20,290 --> 01:25:21,350
So you do have that option.

1043
01:25:21,470 --> 01:25:26,590
You are not tied into taking action on until reversed following the work session.

1044
01:25:28,270 --> 01:25:38,670
My concern is that with our work session rolling directly into the meeting that doesn't give the school board an opportunity to speak as a unified body.

1045
01:25:39,210 --> 01:25:48,350
We would just hear the individual opinions of the school board members and I would like to offer them an opportunity to deliberate if they were to need such an opportunity.

1046
01:25:51,930 --> 01:26:03,850
So we defer, we defer this item from the last agenda matter, and this will be the second

1047
01:26:03,850 --> 01:26:04,210
time.

1048
01:26:04,470 --> 01:26:07,530
We just introduced it since the first time.

1049
01:26:08,150 --> 01:26:14,050
We just have the work session regarding the report from the architect that our last meeting

1050
01:26:14,050 --> 01:26:16,770
is the first time this is the upper action.

1051
01:26:17,550 --> 01:26:18,070
Okay,

1052
01:26:23,330 --> 01:26:25,690
let's call for the vote on the motion to postpone.

1053
01:26:27,660 --> 01:26:33,760
All those in favor of postponing this item to the meeting of October 1st, please say aye.

1054
01:26:34,460 --> 01:26:34,700
Aye.

1055
01:26:35,220 --> 01:26:35,380
Aye.

1056
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:35,880
Aye.

1057
01:26:36,500 --> 01:26:37,400
Those opposed.

1058
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:37,880
No.

1059
01:26:39,380 --> 01:26:39,900
Okay.

1060
01:26:40,480 --> 01:26:46,040
It appears that we have four years and three days, but let's do show a hand for me.

1061
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:47,660
All those in favor, please.

1062
01:27:00,310 --> 01:27:03,810
Okay, so this

1063
01:27:08,100 --> 01:27:13,000
will be postponed to the meeting of October 1st and now we just have this

1064
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:20,720
look back to resolve the work session is what is the we move forward with the work session

1065
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:24,160
and before the meeting on October 1st,

1066
01:27:24,260 --> 01:27:25,440
is that the will of the council?

1067
01:27:26,660 --> 01:27:29,660
And my instructor Nelson just noted

1068
01:27:29,660 --> 01:27:32,120
that October 3rd would be an option as well

1069
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:34,180
because there is not that Thursday,

1070
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:36,140
if it wanted to be a standalone day,

1071
01:27:36,940 --> 01:27:39,520
is also open because there is not a budget work session

1072
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:40,140
on that Thursday.

1073
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:42,160
So we don't have a budget work session as well.

1074
01:27:42,380 --> 01:27:43,240
So the special meeting?

1075
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:45,240
Following the discussion.

1076
01:27:46,060 --> 01:27:46,520
No work session.

1077
01:27:48,140 --> 01:27:50,140
But with this, we'd still be on the agenda item

1078
01:27:50,140 --> 01:27:57,180
with that October virtually so we have to postpone then again yeah for two more weeks so if

1079
01:27:57,180 --> 01:28:02,180
there's any availability for an earlier work session that would be ideal for me I don't know

1080
01:28:02,180 --> 01:28:09,740
how everybody else feels about that so is it possible to have a work session on the 23rd

1081
01:28:11,980 --> 01:28:13,400
September since

1082
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:22,520
they're meeting on the 23rd I just give them that's time to prepare don't think that just that

1083
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:26,840
It sounds like we're in deferred until the 15th, so just to be able to be clear here as

1084
01:28:29,020 --> 01:28:29,200
well.

1085
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:30,120
Today's Wednesday.

1086
01:28:30,540 --> 01:28:37,380
I was just going to ask, like, I've been on the school board, but never been in this sort

1087
01:28:37,380 --> 01:28:43,260
of position before, but when you guys have your meeting and you were able to review the material

1088
01:28:43,260 --> 01:28:51,840
and discuss it, you'll come to consensus or do any kind of a vote, how would we get the,

1089
01:28:51,840 --> 01:29:01,940
I guess, the input from the school board so that it weighs in on our work session and decision, I guess, when we make it on the first.

1090
01:29:03,580 --> 01:29:05,060
President Kennedy, do you want to speak to that?

1091
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:06,260
We could

1092
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:30,040
set something on the agenda following that meeting, but in the form of a discussion that we could forward to you or you could be attention to.

1093
01:29:30,040 --> 01:29:30,580
You

1094
01:29:32,980 --> 01:29:37,740
wouldn't have anything prior to your October 1st meeting after that, so.

1095
01:29:43,460 --> 01:29:50,920
So my, maybe I was confused, but what I was thinking that it would be a joint work session

1096
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:54,680
with the council and the school board on the 1st of October.

1097
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:57,940
So this is a joint work session.

1098
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,780
Yes, the item has to come back on your agenda October 1st as well, but I just was thinking that this would give you a time period to go over the materials prior to our work session on the first. We would be more than happy at least has all the information to any more than happy to to give you anything that you need during that time as well. So let's, it's everybody on board with the first do a work session before that means.

1099
01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:31,740
So we do have it, and that's that.

1100
01:30:34,420 --> 01:30:35,480
No opposition tonight.

1101
01:30:35,780 --> 01:30:39,480
Can we hear what the president members of the school board have to say?

1102
01:30:39,620 --> 01:30:42,020
They seem to be prepared with some sort of,

1103
01:30:42,020 --> 01:30:43,040
you know, they're standing at the podium.

1104
01:30:43,040 --> 01:30:44,740
I assume they have some sort of implied hours.

1105
01:30:44,900 --> 01:30:45,820
No, we're just trying.

1106
01:30:46,260 --> 01:30:48,700
So speculating, you know,

1107
01:30:49,060 --> 01:30:51,700
Caitlin and the acting superintendent in charge of the agenda,

1108
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:55,460
we could change what we were going to do for a work session on the 23rd to be this.

1109
01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:58,060
Either with you guys or without you guys.

1110
01:30:58,060 --> 01:31:03,740
And then we could have an item on our agenda, if saying, you know, do we want to make

1111
01:31:03,740 --> 01:31:07,980
an official statement, which we could either make an official statement or not make an

1112
01:31:07,980 --> 01:31:12,220
official statement, if that were on the agenda, the same day as a work session.

1113
01:31:12,620 --> 01:31:16,070
I just don't know how we make a statement prior to that.

1114
01:31:16,170 --> 01:31:21,570
Well, no, but we could say, you know, put something on there and then revise it.

1115
01:31:21,690 --> 01:31:26,810
So, I mean, we could come to a consensus at that meeting, but only if we put it on our

1116
01:31:26,810 --> 01:31:32,730
agenda based on what we think might happen at the work session.

1117
01:31:32,870 --> 01:31:36,790
But I think that then we could have, speak with one voice which we would not be able to

1118
01:31:36,790 --> 01:31:39,650
do after the October 1st session.

1119
01:31:41,830 --> 01:31:46,310
So the matter of whether you guys come to our meeting or we come to your meeting and whether

1120
01:31:46,310 --> 01:31:48,830
the thing we have for our work session, we could probably post on.

1121
01:31:49,150 --> 01:31:49,250
Yeah.

1122
01:31:50,270 --> 01:31:51,470
Jerry, do you have any advice?

1123
01:31:51,850 --> 01:31:53,010
Yeah, I have one more thing.

1124
01:31:53,210 --> 01:31:53,470
I'm sorry.

1125
01:31:53,470 --> 01:31:54,130
So,

1126
01:31:56,530 --> 01:32:05,570
he's played a huge part in this and so the 23rd, I believe that's his first day

1127
01:32:05,570 --> 01:32:05,810
back.

1128
01:32:06,170 --> 01:32:07,750
This is his first day back in the office.

1129
01:32:08,390 --> 01:32:14,430
So I think it's really difficult to throw him into a work session with no kind of background

1130
01:32:14,430 --> 01:32:16,910
of what's going on on the 23rd.

1131
01:32:16,910 --> 01:32:25,040
I think it would be, I think we need to give him the opportunity to participate fully.

1132
01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:35,020
So I think it would be, it would be difficult for staff, I think, to prepare for a work session on the 23rd.

1133
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:37,100
Do you manage it, Deborah?

1134
01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:48,060
Just one thing, if, you know, I think my work collection is clearly not the best right now, but I believe what council of the work session,

1135
01:32:48,060 --> 01:32:50,700
and to use the report from the architects from that feedback,

1136
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:53,920
you all came to a joint sort of nod

1137
01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:56,840
head that the school after the advice from the architects

1138
01:32:56,840 --> 01:32:59,040
and their opinion and all the positives and negatives

1139
01:32:59,040 --> 01:32:59,660
for all the sites.

1140
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:02,060
That's the information that you all use

1141
01:33:02,060 --> 01:33:03,200
and you get the decision of that.

1142
01:33:03,940 --> 01:33:05,440
Well, there's no additional information

1143
01:33:05,440 --> 01:33:06,460
that's being provided.

1144
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:09,180
Yeah, and that, that we can provide

1145
01:33:09,650 --> 01:33:11,540
in terms of additional information

1146
01:33:11,540 --> 01:33:13,300
before you all would meet on the 23rd.

1147
01:33:13,420 --> 01:33:15,120
So I don't know if there's anything else we could provide.

1148
01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:16,560
That would be a more informed decision

1149
01:33:17,340 --> 01:33:24,860
I think the only other thing is the childcare task force report that talks to some of the sites that build up that went into the architect report.

1150
01:33:25,140 --> 01:33:26,580
I think those two, those are the two.

1151
01:33:29,790 --> 01:33:32,170
Is that the, I found a six page.

1152
01:33:33,030 --> 01:33:34,210
No paper on the.

1153
01:33:34,350 --> 01:33:35,270
The mic.

1154
01:33:35,770 --> 01:33:40,430
Let's say President King and member Todd.

1155
01:33:40,550 --> 01:33:48,290
I did today send the link to our work session and it was too late in the afternoon probably for folks to see it.

1156
01:33:49,310 --> 01:34:01,190
But I did send the Architects report, the Child Care Task Force final report and links to a couple of key work sessions along to Jason and you came into your school board email.

1157
01:34:02,450 --> 01:34:06,570
So hopefully you all have that and can distribute it through the school board for review.

1158
01:34:07,330 --> 01:34:12,950
The Child Care Task Force reports about 70 pages, which is significant.

1159
01:34:12,950 --> 01:34:28,770
there's a couple of pieces in there that are really specific to the facility and I can direct folks to the child care task force meetings where facilities were discussed as well if that's helpful.

1160
01:34:33,220 --> 01:34:38,500
So to clarify, I feel like what you're saying, and I believe so too, that with the information

1161
01:34:38,500 --> 01:34:44,280
out there that they can provide, I mean, I think the thought would be that you guys in

1162
01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:50,080
your own work session can utilize those materials to, you know, then come to our work session

1163
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:56,140
on October 1st with your feelings about the project and we can have a good conversation

1164
01:34:56,140 --> 01:35:02,320
about, you know, your concerns or what you think about the project or, you know, what have you.

1165
01:35:02,480 --> 01:35:08,320
I believe because we use all of that information to come to whatever decision, you know,

1166
01:35:08,340 --> 01:35:13,620
where the council stands as a right this moment. So you guys should be able to do that as well.

1167
01:35:13,940 --> 01:35:18,020
And it sounds like Elise has provided that information. So, I mean, I think we can have a good

1168
01:35:18,020 --> 01:35:23,080
conversation on the first. If you guys are prepared to review all of that and discuss it ahead of that.

1169
01:35:23,080 --> 01:35:24,880
Yes, we're agreed to.

1170
01:35:25,380 --> 01:35:26,500
Council member Sorom.

1171
01:35:28,850 --> 01:35:31,590
Yeah, I know we just talked about Nate's gone.

1172
01:35:31,810 --> 01:35:36,310
Can we provide the architect or a city staff member?

1173
01:35:36,950 --> 01:35:40,870
Given the same briefing we got, if they didn't know about this,

1174
01:35:41,550 --> 01:35:44,490
at least they go into the work session prepared.

1175
01:35:45,070 --> 01:35:49,790
Because I think that's the issue is we're prepared to nobody else.

1176
01:35:50,690 --> 01:35:52,990
I think we should be able to provide the architect

1177
01:35:52,990 --> 01:35:55,850
and maybe somebody from the task force,

1178
01:35:55,970 --> 01:35:57,290
and maybe somebody from staff,

1179
01:35:57,690 --> 01:36:00,610
and tell them what's going on in government events.

1180
01:36:01,190 --> 01:36:03,510
I am a little concerned about the timing

1181
01:36:03,510 --> 01:36:08,930
of their work session in regards to Director Duval,

1182
01:36:09,110 --> 01:36:11,470
because he has been really instrumental

1183
01:36:11,470 --> 01:36:14,750
to this project as it's come along,

1184
01:36:14,930 --> 01:36:17,710
and also I presume that the majority

1185
01:36:17,710 --> 01:36:20,530
of the questions will be facility-specific questions

1186
01:36:21,010 --> 01:36:22,970
for which he would be the person that's obviously

1187
01:36:22,970 --> 01:36:24,070
the most qualified to answer.

1188
01:36:24,810 --> 01:36:28,230
So I don't know if that's a major concern timing-wise,

1189
01:36:28,570 --> 01:36:32,750
but I do suspect that that Director Duval

1190
01:36:32,750 --> 01:36:35,810
would be probably pretty instrumental

1191
01:36:35,810 --> 01:36:39,930
in the answering of many of their more difficult questions.

1192
01:36:39,930 --> 01:36:42,430
I'm just worried that if we throw a volunteer

1193
01:36:42,430 --> 01:36:44,350
from the task force into the lion's den,

1194
01:36:44,490 --> 01:36:45,490
they may be asking questions

1195
01:36:45,490 --> 01:36:47,430
that they don't know how to answer it.

1196
01:36:47,870 --> 01:36:50,330
Well, Mayor Fleming, did you have anything to add?

1197
01:36:52,590 --> 01:36:57,450
Yes, I'd be more than happy to listen to attend any work session or we got I just wanted

1198
01:36:57,450 --> 01:37:02,910
to point out that I'm on the road so I will try to make any work session or meetings

1199
01:37:02,910 --> 01:37:09,150
that you guys have on this issue but the chances of me being able to are going to be slim

1200
01:37:09,150 --> 01:37:13,990
to none but I'll try to make the best effort I can so I just wanted to kind of throw that

1201
01:37:13,990 --> 01:37:17,810
out there that you know I'm going to be busy until October 3rd.

1202
01:37:19,270 --> 01:37:21,650
Well, I think we've got a head now, if the president came

1203
01:37:21,650 --> 01:37:23,870
regarding them doing their best with the timing,

1204
01:37:24,150 --> 01:37:27,850
trying to get their questions all written down

1205
01:37:27,850 --> 01:37:30,410
or prepared or whatever to bring to the October 1st

1206
01:37:30,410 --> 01:37:33,690
meeting so that we can bring all the appropriate consultants

1207
01:37:33,690 --> 01:37:36,790
and staff to hopefully answer any outstanding questions

1208
01:37:36,790 --> 01:37:37,930
that this school board may have,

1209
01:37:38,250 --> 01:37:40,230
and hopefully the director can evolve it and be there too.

1210
01:37:40,530 --> 01:37:43,530
I think that's a good plan and go forward with that.

1211
01:37:44,750 --> 01:37:47,150
I would just add one thing is that any questions

1212
01:37:47,150 --> 01:37:55,450
that are collected for Nate Duvall or any other city staff could be provided and could

1213
01:37:55,450 --> 01:38:01,570
be answered between the 23rd and the 1st by Nate Duvall or anyone else that can answer them.

1214
01:38:14,150 --> 01:38:19,430
Okay, thank you very much

1215
01:38:25,960 --> 01:38:32,660
thank you for that discussion moving on to ordinances ordinance 24-12

1216
01:38:32,660 --> 01:38:41,580
amending title to chapters 2.48 2.56 2.64 and 2.66 the values municipal code relating to

1217
01:38:41,580 --> 01:38:43,740
a certain city about these boards and commissions,

1218
01:38:44,140 --> 01:38:45,580
first reading public hearing.

1219
01:38:46,340 --> 01:38:47,060
Move to approve.

1220
01:38:48,660 --> 01:38:49,200
Second.

1221
01:38:51,790 --> 01:38:54,310
Council discussion on emotion.

1222
01:38:54,490 --> 01:38:57,670
We got a motion from Elfman Fasters, second by Laud.

1223
01:39:02,820 --> 01:39:03,200
And we're right.

1224
01:39:04,460 --> 01:39:06,400
I guess I just had a question.

1225
01:39:06,520 --> 01:39:10,080
I know we made this change already to EDC, right?

1226
01:39:12,170 --> 01:39:13,620
I can't remember when we did that.

1227
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:16,820
My brain is, I can't remember if there's been some time

1228
01:39:16,820 --> 01:39:21,680
under our belt or not and I'm just wondering, do we have a sense of how that's impacted the EDC?

1229
01:39:21,940 --> 01:39:26,240
Do we feel that it's been positive and it's doing what we want? I imagine probably, but I just

1230
01:39:26,240 --> 01:39:32,680
thought I'd ask. Thank you, Council Member Shite, through the Mayor Pro Tem. Yes, it has

1231
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:39,740
positively impacted EDC's ability to have a quorum when they only need three members present versus four,

1232
01:39:40,620 --> 01:39:46,320
and they only have a total of five members. They have the only reasons they've canceled meetings

1233
01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:50,540
recently we're not core and related. They were just lack of agenda items related.

1234
01:39:52,900 --> 01:39:53,940
Great. Thank you.

1235
01:39:54,240 --> 01:39:55,760
How's the Mirfoss student givens?

1236
01:39:56,220 --> 01:40:01,140
I'm curious what is going to happen to those six and seven members until

1237
01:40:01,800 --> 01:40:07,440
well once we approved this. Sure. So how it's written is that

1238
01:40:08,500 --> 01:40:15,140
members will just go away by attrition. So we've maintained our normal appointment cycle this year

1239
01:40:15,140 --> 01:40:22,360
If this is adopted, folks will still be at seven members basically through this year.

1240
01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:27,880
Next appointment cycle, it will go down to five members per commission and we just will not be

1241
01:40:27,880 --> 01:40:29,140
appointing as many members.

1242
01:40:31,820 --> 01:40:37,780
That's more of a devence of you. My question was answered in the last two

1243
01:40:37,780 --> 01:40:46,840
questions. So no one's going to be removed from a commission. They will just go off naturally due to

1244
01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:54,320
we just want we advertise for the position and when we get down to five then we're good with the big commission.

1245
01:40:56,390 --> 01:41:02,510
This will be a great help to the ports and harbor commission. I know that they're looking forward to this.

1246
01:41:04,470 --> 01:41:08,670
Any other council comments on the ordinance?

1247
01:41:08,670 --> 01:41:11,900
comments from the public.

1248
01:41:13,900 --> 01:41:14,460
All for the vote.

1249
01:41:16,340 --> 01:41:17,820
All those in favor, please say aye.

1250
01:41:18,200 --> 01:41:18,360
Aye.

1251
01:41:20,960 --> 01:41:21,660
How about opposed?

1252
01:41:22,600 --> 01:41:22,720
Okay.

1253
01:41:23,120 --> 01:41:24,280
Seven years, motion carries.

1254
01:41:24,900 --> 01:41:25,180
Thank you.

1255
01:41:25,580 --> 01:41:27,410
All right.

1256
01:41:27,510 --> 01:41:28,970
Up next, we have resolutions.

1257
01:41:29,650 --> 01:41:36,090
The first one on tap is 24-37 authorizing the submission of a reconnecting community's pilot

1258
01:41:36,090 --> 01:41:41,030
discretionary grant program application to the U.S. Department of Transportation to assist

1259
01:41:41,030 --> 01:41:44,810
with the subsequent pavement management construction of motion.

1260
01:41:45,230 --> 01:41:46,010
Move to approve.

1261
01:41:46,910 --> 01:41:47,390
Second.

1262
01:41:47,950 --> 01:41:48,730
Kevin's move.

1263
01:41:49,030 --> 01:41:49,790
Second of the foster.

1264
01:41:53,490 --> 01:41:54,790
We have Director Nelson up.

1265
01:41:54,970 --> 01:41:57,330
Do you want to speak or you just have a question and comments?

1266
01:41:58,350 --> 01:42:01,130
Oh, I'll just give you a little preview of this one.

1267
01:42:03,110 --> 01:42:05,050
Mostly because there's some important news here

1268
01:42:05,050 --> 01:42:07,850
that written in the agenda statement,

1269
01:42:08,010 --> 01:42:10,410
we did not get the raise grant with USD of 2.

1270
01:42:10,410 --> 01:42:17,330
And so this is our second choice for that same scope of that project.

1271
01:42:17,810 --> 01:42:22,930
And so here we are, it's a higher match, and so that's why it's the second choice.

1272
01:42:23,030 --> 01:42:28,290
And we also think that there's some criteria that maybe we just don't qualify for.

1273
01:42:28,410 --> 01:42:35,350
So it might be a stretch, but we're going to try and this is a presumed to an internal policy

1274
01:42:35,350 --> 01:42:42,430
to just bring a resolution forward and City Council just brings transparency to the activities

1275
01:42:42,430 --> 01:42:47,330
that the organization is pursuing as far as financing opportunities for some of the upcoming

1276
01:42:47,330 --> 01:42:55,370
projects. So thank you, Dr. Nelson. Questions and comments for Council? So, Rob? Mr. Boster?

1277
01:42:56,350 --> 01:43:04,030
I just want to reinforce what Senator Sullivan said. At that last meeting, we probably should

1278
01:43:04,030 --> 01:43:11,450
hang on him that we're applying for this. He made a big point of that, so why not?

1279
01:43:14,340 --> 01:43:19,060
We reach out to CHCG and they bring outreach to get letters of support for all of those

1280
01:43:19,060 --> 01:43:23,460
items. So they're courting for all of our Alaska delegation to get those letters of support.

1281
01:43:25,710 --> 01:43:31,150
Foster, I think it's great that we're attempting to apply for another grant. I did know what

1282
01:43:31,150 --> 01:43:35,550
Alan says and hopefully this year when we travel to DC we can find some other

1283
01:43:37,270 --> 01:43:40,690
unveils some new grants that we could potentially apply for because I feel

1284
01:43:40,690 --> 01:43:42,170
like that happens when we

1285
01:43:42,170 --> 01:43:42,790
lobby.

1286
01:43:46,690 --> 01:43:48,430
All right, I'll be coming.

1287
01:43:49,770 --> 01:43:50,630
All for the vote.

1288
01:43:54,500 --> 01:43:55,080
All those in favor.

1289
01:43:57,210 --> 01:43:57,690
All the polls.

1290
01:43:57,930 --> 01:43:57,970
Hi.

1291
01:43:59,170 --> 01:44:03,030
Seven. Seven yeas motion carries.

1292
01:44:03,790 --> 01:44:05,630
Yeah, you're faster at that flattened canvas.

1293
01:44:09,270 --> 01:44:09,990
We

1294
01:44:14,280 --> 01:44:26,600
got a resolution 24-38 amending the 2024 Valdez budget by appropriating additional $150,000 to leave liability reserve relief cashouts to be transferred from budget variance reserve.

1295
01:44:26,980 --> 01:44:27,620
We have a motion.

1296
01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:28,640
No, too approved.

1297
01:44:29,380 --> 01:44:29,880
Second.

1298
01:44:30,440 --> 01:44:31,900
Second by Foster, second by Lally.

1299
01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:33,280
Dr. Nelson.

1300
01:44:34,220 --> 01:44:35,320
Thank you, Mayor.

1301
01:44:37,680 --> 01:44:49,140
I do have the exact number that we came up with with $111,311,328, rounded up to $250,000.

1302
01:44:49,280 --> 01:44:53,940
So I just want to point out that during the 2024 budget process Council Member Soorem

1303
01:44:53,940 --> 01:44:58,960
a question my figure that I put in for the leave liability reserve and mentioned it.

1304
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:19,360
I wondered if that was enough given the macro conditions with long-term employees moving in and out of positions here and there and seeing that in other communities. And I assured him that I was budgeting for a reasonable figure, the high end of average. And for the first time in my life, I was wrong.

1305
01:45:21,400 --> 01:45:28,640
We have a confession? It's on record. We have a confession on record from Director Nelson.

1306
01:45:30,860 --> 01:45:40,470
All right, I don't know if we'll get forgiveness that we do have a confession. Any comments or questions on the motion?

1307
01:45:45,770 --> 01:45:48,830
Seeing none, public comment, call for the vote.

1308
01:45:49,390 --> 01:45:50,990
Well, those are favorite, please say aye.

1309
01:45:51,370 --> 01:45:51,670
Aye.

1310
01:45:52,750 --> 01:45:53,070
Aye.

1311
01:45:53,930 --> 01:45:57,350
Those votes may have 78 motion carries.

1312
01:46:00,040 --> 01:46:06,120
Third resolution, we got 24 to 39 amending the 2024 budget by accepting an award from the state of Alaska

1313
01:46:06,120 --> 01:46:10,920
the Department of Corrections and the amount of $7,500 for capital improvements benefiting

1314
01:46:10,920 --> 01:46:18,160
the jail and $40,164, maybe two cents in general operation support, authorizing expenditures

1315
01:46:18,160 --> 01:46:23,000
in the amount of $47,664, the 82 cents.

1316
01:46:23,340 --> 01:46:23,840
We have a motion.

1317
01:46:24,260 --> 01:46:24,820
We have to approve.

1318
01:46:25,400 --> 01:46:25,740
Second.

1319
01:46:26,140 --> 01:46:26,460
Second.

1320
01:46:26,480 --> 01:46:27,160
Second.

1321
01:46:27,480 --> 01:46:27,860
Hi.

1322
01:46:31,040 --> 01:46:32,260
Thank you, Dennis.

1323
01:46:34,620 --> 01:46:35,020
Okay.

1324
01:46:38,860 --> 01:46:39,260
Okay.

1325
01:46:39,360 --> 01:46:40,340
Director Nelson, do you have anything on this one?

1326
01:46:41,460 --> 01:46:49,440
We submitted a couple of requests from the state for $7500 and they said, here's your money and by the way, take some more and we said, okay.

1327
01:46:51,700 --> 01:46:52,680
Thank you, State of Alaska.

1328
01:46:53,600 --> 01:46:56,180
Comments from Council questions?

1329
01:46:58,680 --> 01:46:59,140
Will they comment?

1330
01:47:00,100 --> 01:47:00,740
I'll put them up.

1331
01:47:01,700 --> 01:47:03,600
All those in favor, please say aye.

1332
01:47:04,020 --> 01:47:04,180
Aye.

1333
01:47:05,120 --> 01:47:05,620
Aye.

1334
01:47:06,180 --> 01:47:07,000
I already noticed.

1335
01:47:07,560 --> 01:47:08,520
All those opposed?

1336
01:47:09,620 --> 01:47:10,400
Seven years.

1337
01:47:10,620 --> 01:47:11,180
Motion carries.

1338
01:47:11,460 --> 01:47:11,900
Thank you.

1339
01:47:13,880 --> 01:47:15,000
All right.

1340
01:47:15,820 --> 01:47:21,660
Resolution in the fourth one, 24-40, amending the 2024 city budget by accepting a U.S. Department

1341
01:47:21,660 --> 01:47:27,620
of Housing and Urban Development Community Project Funding Grant, an amount of $3 million in authorizing

1342
01:47:27,620 --> 01:47:30,380
the expenditure of the same motion to approve?

1343
01:47:30,820 --> 01:47:31,260
Second.

1344
01:47:31,780 --> 01:47:33,320
Moved by Devon, second by Foster,

1345
01:47:35,660 --> 01:47:36,620
council discussion.

1346
01:47:37,840 --> 01:47:38,580
Councilor Foster.

1347
01:47:40,010 --> 01:47:44,720
I just want to send my deepest gratitude to Senator Murkowski

1348
01:47:44,720 --> 01:47:48,460
for allocating this $3 million to our city

1349
01:47:48,460 --> 01:47:52,080
for us to help address our childcare issues.

1350
01:47:52,480 --> 01:47:57,280
And I'm grateful for Elise Sornberg's work with all of this

1351
01:48:04,320 --> 01:48:08,960
I just wanted to make the point that even the federal government believes that housing

1352
01:48:08,960 --> 01:48:15,440
and childcare are deeply connected and this program specifically illustrates that.

1353
01:48:20,900 --> 01:48:26,780
I would just say that just to add that during the work session on the childcare facility,

1354
01:48:27,700 --> 01:48:35,520
it was stated overtly that the $3 million comes off the table for new construction that it

1355
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:39,820
has to be used for an existing facility refurbishment.

1356
01:48:44,160 --> 01:48:46,220
I'll get some questions on the resolution.

1357
01:48:49,980 --> 01:48:52,260
Help me comment, help it vote.

1358
01:48:54,500 --> 01:48:56,060
On those in favor, please say aye.

1359
01:48:56,600 --> 01:48:56,760
Aye.

1360
01:48:57,360 --> 01:48:57,520
Aye.

1361
01:48:58,480 --> 01:48:59,180
Who's opposed?

1362
01:49:00,320 --> 01:49:01,580
Seven yeas, motion carries.

1363
01:49:03,930 --> 01:49:05,810
All right, next on the document we have reports.

1364
01:49:06,650 --> 01:49:09,230
I'll just go through individually and somebody call out.

1365
01:49:09,390 --> 01:49:12,230
If you want to pull one, we've got the quarterly financially

1366
01:49:12,230 --> 01:49:16,150
some reports from June 30, 2024,

1367
01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:18,980
right?

1368
01:49:19,400 --> 01:49:24,980
Nobody will now in procurement report, purchase of annual financial management system from

1369
01:49:24,980 --> 01:49:29,080
Kacel in the amount of $40,000, $40,000, $48.

1370
01:49:32,560 --> 01:49:38,200
Number three procurement report, purchase of Microsoft 365 GCC, annual from structured communication

1371
01:49:38,500 --> 01:49:40,920
systems in the amount of 75,600,

1372
01:49:43,470 --> 01:49:46,570
and procurement report, purchase of Valdez Container Terminal

1373
01:49:46,570 --> 01:49:52,170
Fiber Repair and Replacement Project with Sherman Technologies, LLC, and the amount of $79,200.

1374
01:49:52,870 --> 01:49:53,210
Another

1375
01:49:58,170 --> 01:49:58,470
report?

1376
01:50:00,750 --> 01:50:02,030
City Manager report.

1377
01:50:02,470 --> 01:50:03,950
Thank you, Mayor Prattem.

1378
01:50:04,930 --> 01:50:05,030
Love.

1379
01:50:05,510 --> 01:50:09,270
I just wanted to give you an update, Council on the Housing and Scentive Program.

1380
01:50:09,610 --> 01:50:12,890
We have eight applications that have been fully approved and awarded.

1381
01:50:13,570 --> 01:50:16,550
We have a total of 15 that are working their way through.

1382
01:50:17,310 --> 01:50:22,850
There are a couple, two, that have been denied and we're working with those folks to see if

1383
01:50:22,850 --> 01:50:27,530
there's a way that they can qualify just just the orientation of their uses and site.

1384
01:50:27,750 --> 01:50:32,290
It's just not doesn't meet the qualifications in the resolution, but we do, you know,

1385
01:50:32,330 --> 01:50:36,990
encourage them to reapply if they can find a way to meet those conditions.

1386
01:50:37,310 --> 01:50:38,590
So we're in through that.

1387
01:50:38,590 --> 01:50:40,710
There's one you updated that still moving forward.

1388
01:50:41,510 --> 01:50:49,390
The Sean from the senior housing project reached out recently and said that they're basically fully

1389
01:50:49,390 --> 01:50:54,910
intended, I think they're looking for one more unit, but I think they're really solid

1390
01:50:54,910 --> 01:50:56,070
for their financing there.

1391
01:50:57,530 --> 01:51:02,590
I think some of their income levels, the amount of income they can, sorry, the amount of

1392
01:51:02,590 --> 01:51:12,090
rent they can collect has been reduced from their original pro forma, so, they may raise

1393
01:51:12,090 --> 01:51:18,130
that issue in the future, but I just wanted to highlight that for you, but it's so far really

1394
01:51:18,130 --> 01:51:27,530
positive and they're leasing up. And then just wanted to highlight that we have a new staff member,

1395
01:51:27,690 --> 01:51:34,470
we have Lizzie Bird, who's just doing the IT department, the IT tech. So, we're doing a lot of

1396
01:51:35,250 --> 01:51:41,090
frontline work with our staff and, you know, Matt can speak to it if he'd like, but sounds like Lizzie,

1397
01:51:41,130 --> 01:51:47,810
the big gamer and loves to crochet stuff to animals. So, either of those things are

1398
01:51:47,810 --> 01:51:49,170
and interest to you, call Lazy Bird.

1399
01:51:51,470 --> 01:51:54,350
Then that, we had a robust discussion on child care,

1400
01:51:54,530 --> 01:51:56,370
so I think we're next up there.

1401
01:51:57,570 --> 01:52:01,910
Of course, as Jacob said from Keynide, the EAS,

1402
01:52:02,130 --> 01:52:03,270
some committee has met twice.

1403
01:52:05,670 --> 01:52:10,350
We reviewed the applications about the matrix of things

1404
01:52:10,350 --> 01:52:16,190
that sort of are of concern from hearing from the public.

1405
01:52:16,190 --> 01:52:22,910
And so, and some of the criteria is that the subcommittee fields are important for consideration.

1406
01:52:24,210 --> 01:52:31,690
So we still need to find a time to meet one more time before the October 1st meeting to try to formulate something to bring to the council for a recommendation.

1407
01:52:32,150 --> 01:52:36,030
So looking at October 1st date, but we still need to meet.

1408
01:52:36,230 --> 01:52:38,190
I don't know if we'll have time to meet before the bill.

1409
01:52:38,350 --> 01:52:38,870
We need to do that.

1410
01:52:38,870 --> 01:52:41,670
That's the essential air service of committee.

1411
01:52:41,890 --> 01:52:43,610
So it's a government response through them, that is.

1412
01:52:44,110 --> 01:52:48,450
And so yeah, public comment, there's been about 30 comments

1413
01:52:48,450 --> 01:52:49,490
from the public so far.

1414
01:52:49,670 --> 01:52:52,370
They're also on the same website as the applications.

1415
01:52:52,830 --> 01:52:53,950
So you can review those as well.

1416
01:52:54,750 --> 01:52:57,710
And so that public comment period ends the 23rd.

1417
01:52:57,830 --> 01:52:59,690
And just wanted to highlight that.

1418
01:53:02,700 --> 01:53:04,540
Other than that, that's it for today.

1419
01:53:04,540 --> 01:53:05,200
Did I answer your question?

1420
01:53:05,380 --> 01:53:06,480
Sorry, yes, okay.

1421
01:53:06,940 --> 01:53:07,460
That's it for me.

1422
01:53:07,460 --> 01:53:09,800
Any questions for to you, Andrew?

1423
01:53:10,080 --> 01:53:10,520
Council Member Shae?

1424
01:53:11,300 --> 01:53:11,420
Yeah.

1425
01:53:12,020 --> 01:53:14,540
Is it?

1426
01:53:14,780 --> 01:53:14,980
No,

1427
01:53:17,010 --> 01:53:17,190
sorry.

1428
01:53:17,470 --> 01:53:17,830
I'll do it.

1429
01:53:17,990 --> 01:53:18,450
Do you have an update?

1430
01:53:18,850 --> 01:53:18,970
Yes.

1431
01:53:19,350 --> 01:53:20,250
So we,

1432
01:53:23,480 --> 01:53:29,940
and I'll let Jake to jump in as he sees fit, but we, you know, I wasn't here for

1433
01:53:29,940 --> 01:53:36,000
the Council meeting, but you all proved the ability for us to draw two contracts that we

1434
01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:37,340
have drawn this up.

1435
01:53:37,340 --> 01:53:41,120
We've reached out and we've gotten two contractors to do the hookups here in town.

1436
01:53:41,120 --> 01:53:42,500
So we developed the waiver.

1437
01:53:42,500 --> 01:53:50,220
So we feel this city is removed from liability for the contract work and the contractors also so feel confident in that

1438
01:53:50,220 --> 01:53:56,020
So they're doing all the inspections anyone who hadn't got their final CFO or billion inspections are

1439
01:53:56,960 --> 01:54:03,420
These contractors will do start to finish if they sign the agreement and so we've made the agreement available through docu

1440
01:54:03,420 --> 01:54:07,760
Sign at the front counter with the clerks and also be

1441
01:54:07,760 --> 01:54:12,940
the paper copy and then they can also do it on, you know, a tablet in the main lobby

1442
01:54:12,940 --> 01:54:19,000
of City Hall. So, folks who wanted, you're part of that hookup system, the city is doing.

1443
01:54:19,580 --> 01:54:22,900
They can sign that waiver and the contractors will get started on their project, but they're

1444
01:54:22,900 --> 01:54:27,320
here. They've just, they got your last weekend, so they should be here for the next week or

1445
01:54:27,320 --> 01:54:27,460
so.

1446
01:54:28,200 --> 01:54:32,800
I'm sorry, just to follow up, did you? Are we just reaching out? Did we reach out to all

1447
01:54:32,800 --> 01:54:38,840
those people directly to say hey this is in place and if you need a small work with us you know

1448
01:54:38,840 --> 01:54:45,840
command or what I did instruction. Yeah so we um did an initial outreach around email to make sure

1449
01:54:45,840 --> 01:54:54,220
that and inform the property manager and um so that was communicated we start going to do the door

1450
01:54:54,220 --> 01:55:01,360
knockers um which gives sort of the explanation of what we're doing um and so that'll be the next step

1451
01:55:01,360 --> 01:55:04,040
but it sounds like the quickest way to reach people

1452
01:55:04,040 --> 01:55:05,300
to get them to fill out everything out

1453
01:55:05,300 --> 01:55:07,140
was through doc design, was minor training,

1454
01:55:07,320 --> 01:55:10,820
but through Kate, and so we've gotten about like 20.

1455
01:55:11,380 --> 01:55:16,580
So they're busy, but certainly have Kate speak

1456
01:55:16,580 --> 01:55:17,760
to the next council meeting.

1457
01:55:17,940 --> 01:55:19,720
We should hopefully be done by them.

1458
01:55:25,910 --> 01:55:27,310
I just had one other question.

1459
01:55:29,150 --> 01:55:34,750
We, back in May, we had housing work session

1460
01:55:34,750 --> 01:55:36,450
and where we talked about a whole bunch of stuff.

1461
01:55:36,950 --> 01:55:38,410
But one of the things we talked about

1462
01:55:38,410 --> 01:55:40,430
was having another housing work session

1463
01:55:40,430 --> 01:55:43,170
where we kind of talked about the next steps, right?

1464
01:55:43,390 --> 01:55:47,550
And looking at the potential future subdivisions

1465
01:55:47,550 --> 01:55:51,370
and we kind of laid things, options out the council

1466
01:55:51,370 --> 01:55:54,810
and we were gonna come back and sort of talk about them

1467
01:55:54,810 --> 01:55:58,030
and get some direction on how the committee could move forward.

1468
01:55:58,250 --> 01:56:00,310
So I was just wanting to circle back

1469
01:56:00,310 --> 01:56:13,110
And I know we kind of shifted our focus towards rightfully so, you know, towards the mobile home program and everything, but I guess I just wanted to find out I'm not on that committee anymore.

1470
01:56:13,230 --> 01:56:24,990
So I was wanting to find out, you know, what it is. And if we had a timeline or a thought on when that work session might happen, don't want to drop the ball on, you know, forward motion and continue to look at future housing opportunities.

1471
01:56:24,990 --> 01:56:27,030
So I checked in.

1472
01:56:27,530 --> 01:56:31,870
Absolutely, and I need to still convene that so I need to reach out to subcommittee members

1473
01:56:31,870 --> 01:56:36,910
and pick up where the last subcommittee left off there.

1474
01:56:37,970 --> 01:56:39,250
We are

1475
01:56:42,230 --> 01:56:47,210
happy to pull that together in terms of the next steps on housing side.

1476
01:56:47,670 --> 01:56:54,650
We also wanted to discuss a couple of snow lot locations in conjunction with that that

1477
01:56:54,650 --> 01:57:01,570
they've identified as meaning the need as we see more growth in some of the sites that

1478
01:57:01,570 --> 01:57:06,610
we use informally and formally for snow storage become less available because we're, you

1479
01:57:06,610 --> 01:57:08,350
know, in construction downtown, which is a good thing.

1480
01:57:09,710 --> 01:57:14,630
So I think we'll have the conversation around, you know, feature up with side what that looks

1481
01:57:14,630 --> 01:57:14,850
like.

1482
01:57:14,850 --> 01:57:19,070
I think we've brought you a preliminary design on what that could be, and so we'd probably

1483
01:57:19,590 --> 01:57:24,130
maybe a touch of K about how much time we've been able to massage that feedback into the

1484
01:57:24,130 --> 01:57:29,570
site plan. So when Kate and Nate are back on Monday, I'll follow up with the subcommittee

1485
01:57:29,570 --> 01:57:31,890
and try to form a time for us all to get together.

1486
01:57:32,230 --> 01:57:33,390
Okay, thank you. Appreciate it.

1487
01:57:33,530 --> 01:57:34,410
Thank you for minding me.

1488
01:57:34,730 --> 01:57:35,490
Remember these from May?

1489
01:57:36,150 --> 01:57:36,250
Yes.

1490
01:57:38,170 --> 01:57:39,070
You guys ever saw?

1491
01:57:40,650 --> 01:57:46,930
Yeah. I was wondering if the administration's got anything in the realm of the public

1492
01:57:46,930 --> 01:57:54,170
employees' relations act. The city, and I don't know why they did it, but they

1493
01:57:54,170 --> 01:57:57,790
opted out of that mechanism or homeroom municipality.

1494
01:58:00,630 --> 01:58:02,010
And I don't know how it

1495
01:58:02,010 --> 01:58:05,890
ended up that way, but every city I ever worked for had opted out of it, which I

1496
01:58:05,890 --> 01:58:12,850
think is unfortunate. I think there's probably support, at least talking to the

1497
01:58:12,850 --> 01:58:20,310
mayor for the mayor to put something on the agenda. I think there's probably a couple council members that be happy to put it on the agenda.

1498
01:58:21,390 --> 01:58:37,910
I know Wrangle opted back in by Resolution. I don't think it's a heavy lift. I know there's members of a fire department that would like to be in the International Firefighters Association because there's some unique benefits available to that.

1499
01:58:37,910 --> 01:58:39,290
And I think there's a lot of advantages

1500
01:58:40,310 --> 01:58:42,330
in our employees being represented.

1501
01:58:42,610 --> 01:58:45,730
But I'd like to get it on the table one way or the other.

1502
01:58:47,050 --> 01:58:51,610
It's just been discussed and beat around.

1503
01:58:51,950 --> 01:58:53,590
And I think at some point, we need

1504
01:58:53,590 --> 01:58:55,710
to get it on the table and talk about it.

1505
01:58:59,340 --> 01:59:04,340
Yeah, it certainly come up in discussion internally.

1506
01:59:06,840 --> 01:59:14,100
You're right. That's a sort of that seems like accurate from my understanding that maybe one

1507
01:59:14,840 --> 01:59:20,760
week maybe that proposes that you know I don't believe there's anything for venting anyone from

1508
01:59:21,520 --> 01:59:27,200
joining something like that organization whether the city recognizes it on site is a different matter

1509
01:59:27,900 --> 01:59:32,900
So I just want to make that find distinction for folks in that way.

1510
01:59:34,680 --> 01:59:42,800
And so we are actively working with folks staff internally to figure out what was see coming

1511
01:59:42,800 --> 01:59:47,260
out of some sort of change and how we do operate around public employee relations.

1512
01:59:47,900 --> 01:59:48,660
What's the end goal?

1513
01:59:48,900 --> 01:59:52,920
Is it to expand healthcare benefits, is it to, you know, what are we looking at?

1514
01:59:52,920 --> 01:59:59,920
And so trying to identify what that looks like and if we need to take any counsel action to you know or bring anything to

1515
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:12,520
Council to solve any concerns around payment. Yeah, and I guess I'd like to see a resolution with the city of L.D.'s opting back into pair. I think that should be the discussion.

1516
02:00:14,740 --> 02:00:29,340
Home rule, municipality, I think back when this was set up, they're supposed to provide kind of equal service opportunity or actions with employees. And I can't really release

1517
02:00:29,340 --> 02:00:35,260
my time and values. I don't think that was exactly how things were run. And I

1518
02:00:35,260 --> 02:00:40,440
guess my point is I want to see a resolution on the table from the city to

1519
02:00:40,440 --> 02:00:46,100
opt back in the pair. I think that's what the discussion needs to be very

1520
02:00:47,990 --> 02:01:02,730
I do. I know that Rhea, a human resource has been doing work on this. And so she's not

1521
02:01:02,730 --> 02:01:09,850
here. You are here. You're hiding back there. So maybe Rhea can add some.

1522
02:01:10,250 --> 02:01:16,530
We spoke, we've spoken about it and there's a lot of implications to it. So certainly certainly

1523
02:01:16,530 --> 02:01:22,350
something that Council is interested in doing. We're happy to explore, but it would be a major change operations for short.

1524
02:01:25,790 --> 02:01:27,510
Mayor Fleming, did you have something to add?

1525
02:01:32,490 --> 02:01:33,790
Sorry, I have to get off mute there.

1526
02:01:34,910 --> 02:01:46,670
Yeah, and what I think needs to happen before resolution comes to the floor because I would support a resolution to get that there, but at the same time, I think the council as a whole.

1527
02:01:46,670 --> 02:02:12,650
We need to be breathed by Rhea and the city manager on what advantages and disadvantages if any it gives the city, you know, and so I hate to say this, but I think there is another work session that we need to have with the council to discuss the pluses and minuses of opting back into pair and then from that point on, I think we can have, you know, that brought back to the table.

1528
02:02:12,650 --> 02:02:17,190
So I totally support having real look into it,

1529
02:02:17,250 --> 02:02:21,750
but I think we need time as a council, too,

1530
02:02:21,850 --> 02:02:23,430
to understand it.

1531
02:02:23,630 --> 02:02:26,450
And so whatever Rea can provide for us at a work session

1532
02:02:26,850 --> 02:02:28,090
to where we can discuss it

1533
02:02:28,090 --> 02:02:29,790
and find out what the pros and cons are.

1534
02:02:30,150 --> 02:02:31,630
If there are any, if there's none,

1535
02:02:31,810 --> 02:02:35,590
then yeah, I don't mind bringing it forth to the council.

1536
02:02:36,070 --> 02:02:38,350
I don't understand, John, your last statement,

1537
02:02:38,530 --> 02:02:39,230
they were real quick about,

1538
02:02:39,230 --> 02:02:47,270
it would impact city you know very much because I don't know so I'm taking your word for that

1539
02:02:47,270 --> 02:02:54,210
but I need to have Ria and you explained to me what that would be in the council you know so

1540
02:02:54,210 --> 02:03:01,090
that's where I'm at with it I would love to see a work session with us to figure out what's best

1541
02:03:01,090 --> 02:03:08,750
for the city and the city employees. Can we start with the discussion item too? We just maybe start

1542
02:03:08,750 --> 02:03:13,970
there and then before we go full-blood work session, is that the medible?

1543
02:03:18,950 --> 02:03:19,510
That's my resort?

1544
02:03:21,650 --> 02:03:28,770
Yeah, I'm good with whatever. It just seems like there's been multiple, you know,

1545
02:03:29,210 --> 02:03:34,850
tasks for... How about a discussion item so we talk about it? Well, that's what I mean. It's just,

1546
02:03:34,850 --> 02:03:39,450
it's like stalled out and I'd like to see some movement on it, so that'd be good.

1547
02:03:44,880 --> 02:03:45,520
Anything

1548
02:03:48,520 --> 02:03:50,140
else for the city manager?

1549
02:03:55,540 --> 02:03:56,820
Holy cow.

1550
02:04:00,240 --> 02:04:07,880
So speaking of that, we kind of skipped over a little bit that task force that was put together

1551
02:04:07,880 --> 02:04:09,740
to look at the essential air service.

1552
02:04:10,440 --> 02:04:17,840
And so I think that on Councilmember Devons and Councilmember Foster, Councilmember Foster's

1553
02:04:17,840 --> 02:04:20,500
put together sort of a spreadsheet on that.

1554
02:04:23,460 --> 02:04:28,040
So I think that you guys have, you feel

1555
02:04:28,040 --> 02:04:32,100
like you have a recommendation for them yet? No, you need more time?

1556
02:04:34,220 --> 02:04:40,160
I discussed earlier with the city manager that it might be responsible for us to have one

1557
02:04:40,160 --> 02:04:44,300
more meeting as subcommittee before we come with a final recommendation.

1558
02:04:52,800 --> 02:04:57,280
So I can say the public comment period is over until the 23rd of September.

1559
02:04:59,320 --> 02:05:01,340
We can submit to DOT afterwards.

1560
02:05:02,000 --> 02:05:05,400
Okay, so if we bring for the resolution on the, I'm sorry, we have a side part.

1561
02:05:05,700 --> 02:05:09,840
If we bring for the resolution like on the 15th, is that going to be timely?

1562
02:05:11,140 --> 02:05:12,580
The sooner the better, how about that?

1563
02:05:12,940 --> 02:05:13,280
Yeah.

1564
02:05:14,140 --> 02:05:14,560
Okay,

1565
02:05:17,080 --> 02:05:22,900
so what's around hearing is you don't feel that we're ready to do like a work session or anything with council.

1566
02:05:23,420 --> 02:05:28,160
I think we can be ready to do a work session by the meeting on the first.

1567
02:05:29,060 --> 02:05:30,740
You already have a work session on the first.

1568
02:05:30,880 --> 02:05:36,260
Yes, I am aware, but we were discussing whether we could shift that around for different purpose.

1569
02:05:37,060 --> 02:05:43,980
Maybe we will find a way to get, how about we'll find a way to get your recommendation

1570
02:05:44,780 --> 02:05:46,600
on the agenda for the first.

1571
02:05:46,780 --> 02:05:47,160
That's perfect.

1572
02:05:47,920 --> 02:05:49,160
And then we come from perfect.

1573
02:05:49,280 --> 02:05:49,400
Yeah.

1574
02:05:50,500 --> 02:05:50,940
Sorry.

1575
02:05:51,640 --> 02:05:55,460
Is this another example of the time that we should have a discussion item or should we

1576
02:05:55,460 --> 02:05:56,620
have an action item?

1577
02:05:57,500 --> 02:06:03,640
I think that your action item probably needs to be in the form of a resolution that we send

1578
02:06:03,640 --> 02:06:13,680
off to the Department of Transportation. So I guess what we need to do probably is, you know,

1579
02:06:14,040 --> 02:06:19,780
a discussion item council needs to give some some direction so that we can prepare that resolution.

1580
02:06:21,300 --> 02:06:27,260
And so I think we're still looking at the 15th going to approve the resolution and get that to

1581
02:06:27,260 --> 02:06:33,160
right away to the Department of Transportation. I will check I will also mark this out and so I think

1582
02:06:33,160 --> 02:06:39,380
we can also talk to Martha and just make sure that we will, we're going to be timely with that

1583
02:06:39,380 --> 02:06:45,800
resolution going to them on the 15th or if we need to do it sooner. If we need to do it sooner,

1584
02:06:45,800 --> 02:06:50,520
we may have to just do a brief special meeting. It's very brief in order to prove it.

1585
02:06:51,060 --> 02:06:56,960
That's fine by me. We did? Yes, third. So we could put a special meeting before that work session.

1586
02:06:56,960 --> 02:07:07,820
So, we're good. Thank you. Sorry. Other than that, I don't think we, Corp's Office

1587
02:07:07,820 --> 02:07:18,300
has anything that we need to port other than Elise is going to be out starting on Thursday.

1588
02:07:18,300 --> 02:07:25,180
Thursday? Is Thursday? She's going on vacation. So at least it's going to be out of the office

1589
02:07:25,180 --> 02:07:37,070
until the 3rd, at least 7th. Yeah, so she'll be out Thursday and then she'll be back October

1590
02:07:37,070 --> 02:07:45,930
7th. I have a brief family matter I need to take care of. And so I'm just going to be out of the

1591
02:07:45,930 --> 02:07:51,370
office next Monday and returning on Tuesday so there'll just be one day where

1592
02:07:51,950 --> 02:07:56,530
police and I will both be out at the same time but just one day and I'm always

1593
02:07:56,530 --> 02:08:04,810
you can get me by phone and Dennis always does that so yeah so I'm reachable

1594
02:08:04,810 --> 02:08:09,510
if you do need me other than that I don't think that we have anything else to

1595
02:08:09,510 --> 02:08:14,390
report. You did enough of that earlier. Great report earlier.

1596
02:08:16,550 --> 02:08:18,690
Right. Any questions for the City Clerk?

1597
02:08:19,230 --> 02:08:25,890
All right. Next up is the City Attorney Report. I think we have Mr. Stacer on the line.

1598
02:08:27,130 --> 02:08:31,130
I am here. Thank you Mayor for some love. Can everybody hear me okay?

1599
02:08:32,310 --> 02:08:38,850
Yes we can. Okay very good. Well good evening everybody. Just a brief update for you this evening.

1600
02:08:38,850 --> 02:08:43,550
I mean, escape property, pretty much status quo, we're just working away on the findings

1601
02:08:43,550 --> 02:08:50,310
of fact and conclusions of law, which are doing the 27th as I told you before, these basically

1602
02:08:50,310 --> 02:08:57,570
to still down the record into the most convincing, most critical facts that we can identify and

1603
02:08:57,570 --> 02:09:04,370
then articulates the law as we see it, which will result in a decision in our favor.

1604
02:09:05,210 --> 02:09:06,450
So we're working away on that.

1605
02:09:07,370 --> 02:09:12,930
After that, there will be objections, we'll file objections to the taxpayer's FSDL on

1606
02:09:12,930 --> 02:09:17,230
the 18th of October, and then there will be oral closing argument scheduled thereafter.

1607
02:09:20,530 --> 02:09:23,110
Redistricting, something we haven't talked about for a long time.

1608
02:09:24,230 --> 02:09:28,370
Where we left it last was that we were trying to get some attorney's fees back.

1609
02:09:29,190 --> 02:09:33,670
And this is a Supreme Court that issued a favorable decision in favor of the Matt Subaru.

1610
02:09:34,750 --> 02:09:41,610
We received a favorable decision since we last met from the Spear Court saying that we are

1611
02:09:41,610 --> 02:09:48,630
profaling a constitutional claimant. So we're entitled to some fees. They've asked that

1612
02:09:48,630 --> 02:09:55,310
we segregate our bills to identify those that are in any way reasonably connected to the claims

1613
02:09:55,310 --> 02:10:01,430
that we've prevailed on, which was the compactness claim. So we're going through the process of doing

1614
02:10:01,430 --> 02:10:09,930
that. Our position has been about 60 percent of our fees were reasonably connected to that issue,

1615
02:10:10,630 --> 02:10:18,070
and we haven't included the process of identifying, you know, each specific bill, but we anticipate

1616
02:10:18,070 --> 02:10:22,990
that it'll come in somewhere around there, about 60 percent, and that's what we'll ask for from the court.

1617
02:10:26,190 --> 02:10:29,730
older wood, so John spoke to it. As of Friday,

1618
02:10:30,330 --> 02:10:35,330
I catered, informed us that 14 folks have filled out the water hookup agreement that we drafted.

1619
02:10:36,310 --> 02:10:40,330
And John mentioned that that provides some indemnification for the city.

1620
02:10:40,530 --> 02:10:47,370
It says fourth expectations with regard to who maintains the hookup once installed and that type of thing.

1621
02:10:48,050 --> 02:10:53,970
So some legal protection for the city and the contractor and I anticipate more folks have signed up.

1622
02:10:53,970 --> 02:11:05,470
So I think case email went may have gone out on Thursday and we had 14 by Friday, so I thought that was a really encouraging sign that folks in Alderwood were engaging in the process.

1623
02:11:06,850 --> 02:11:13,490
I intend to deliver a revised settlement agreement regarding the litigation to Alderwoods Council this week.

1624
02:11:14,330 --> 02:11:19,910
And that of course will contain the terms that we discussed in executive session. So we'll go from there.

1625
02:11:20,650 --> 02:11:28,390
She planned comments, ADC still hasn't issued their response to Aliaska's responses to

1626
02:11:28,390 --> 02:11:34,870
the RFAIs that were last issued and needs to be done soon because the plan expires on

1627
02:11:34,870 --> 02:11:37,190
November 7th, the current sea plan.

1628
02:11:38,830 --> 02:11:47,650
But in communicating with RCAC, it sounds like ADC will respond shortly and they expect

1629
02:11:47,650 --> 02:11:52,610
to provide a 20-day comment period. So that's good, rather than a 10-day period.

1630
02:11:53,470 --> 02:12:00,490
And we've transmitted draft comments that we anticipate. We'll address the issues that we expect.

1631
02:12:01,570 --> 02:12:09,550
But when we get ADEC's decision or response, we'll work to revise those to the extent necessary

1632
02:12:09,550 --> 02:12:15,130
before we finalize them. So we're really just standing by, ready to mix and, you know,

1633
02:12:15,130 --> 02:12:24,600
We think we'll be relatively modest changes and then go ahead and file this and I think that's it for you this evening.

1634
02:12:25,680 --> 02:12:28,660
I'd be happy to stand for any questions you may have.

1635
02:12:29,920 --> 02:12:34,080
Thank you Jake. Any questions from council has a more storm.

1636
02:12:34,860 --> 02:12:36,980
This is going to be too much for one meeting.

1637
02:12:38,660 --> 02:12:44,860
When Dr. Colin was talking about counties, I think he was talking about burrows.

1638
02:12:44,860 --> 02:12:51,780
So I'm wondering, there's a manifest HRSA that has a designation for a community that

1639
02:12:51,780 --> 02:12:58,200
has insufficient physicians, but yeah, I'm just wondering if that's something Jake might

1640
02:12:58,810 --> 02:13:01,900
add to his list on when he looks at burrow stuff.

1641
02:13:06,200 --> 02:13:07,140
Did you understand that, Jake?

1642
02:13:09,340 --> 02:13:11,700
I'm going to gather it except for the acronym.

1643
02:13:23,360 --> 02:13:32,580
I don't believe she's sharing out her mic on it couldn't quite catch it I'm sorry HPSA it's health provider shortage area.

1644
02:13:34,040 --> 02:13:37,880
It's it's managed by health resources and services administration.

1645
02:13:38,960 --> 02:13:47,700
Yeah, thank you, Dr. Cullen mentioned a governor's, because it sounds like yeah, the county

1646
02:13:47,700 --> 02:13:52,320
borough, there's another route that you can also do the governor's exemption.

1647
02:13:52,640 --> 02:13:58,320
So it's something that we also could talk about for state lobbying efforts as well, just

1648
02:13:58,320 --> 02:13:59,140
something to think about.

1649
02:14:01,400 --> 02:14:01,860
Absolutely.

1650
02:14:02,380 --> 02:14:03,900
I'll take a look at it.

1651
02:14:05,210 --> 02:14:07,050
Anything else for city attorney?

1652
02:14:07,050 --> 02:14:09,650
All right.

1653
02:14:10,490 --> 02:14:14,610
City Mayor report from wherever Dennis is.

1654
02:14:16,970 --> 02:14:17,490
Airflang.

1655
02:14:20,260 --> 02:14:21,420
I got nothing this week.

1656
02:14:21,900 --> 02:14:25,180
Be traveling all week and then I'll be back up the third.

1657
02:14:25,420 --> 02:14:31,060
So but I'll try to make every work session that we got if I can and any other things

1658
02:14:31,060 --> 02:14:31,660
that pop up.

1659
02:14:35,730 --> 02:14:36,890
Council business from the floor.

1660
02:14:36,970 --> 02:14:37,690
We'll start with.

1661
02:14:38,570 --> 02:14:39,350
Councilmember Sohram.

1662
02:14:40,110 --> 02:14:41,270
I have nothing.

1663
02:14:41,470 --> 02:14:43,150
I think I've talked enough for one day.

1664
02:14:43,150 --> 02:14:47,350
All right. Well then I will speak on Allen's behalf.

1665
02:14:50,430 --> 02:14:52,810
Specifically on the the

1666
02:14:52,810 --> 02:14:57,570
paragraph discussion I do want to go on the record saying that I am in support of

1667
02:14:57,570 --> 02:14:58,990
of the eventual resolution.

1668
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,020
In regards to offing back into the paragraph program, but I do agree with Dennis that we need to have several internal discussions before that to just make sure that we have a plan for the transition between how we currently operate and how we will operate, presuming that the resolution passes. Also, in regards to Alderwood, so I've been out to Alderwood several times in the past week.

1669
02:15:29,560 --> 02:15:33,160
and I've discussed with some of the residents there,

1670
02:15:33,160 --> 02:15:35,000
some of them were even nice enough to show me up

1671
02:15:35,000 --> 02:15:36,660
underneath their house and I looked at their pipes.

1672
02:15:37,160 --> 02:15:39,160
I didn't crawl around and it was only the people

1673
02:15:39,160 --> 02:15:40,400
who's pipes were right by the edge.

1674
02:15:40,580 --> 02:15:43,080
I didn't really want to get my hands that dirty,

1675
02:15:43,240 --> 02:15:45,520
but I did look, I did look, and I will say

1676
02:15:45,520 --> 02:15:49,560
that the contracted plumbers appear to be doing a great job.

1677
02:15:50,020 --> 02:15:53,520
The piping is installed, the heat trace,

1678
02:15:54,160 --> 02:15:57,480
and the insulation all seemed to be up to snuff,

1679
02:15:57,480 --> 02:16:07,980
But while I was there and while I was being shown the plumbing by one of the residents of Alderwood other residents of Alderwood approached me and said they had no idea what was going on at all

1680
02:16:07,980 --> 02:16:13,920
So I do think that it is very important that we pursue that second phase that the city manager was describing in which we

1681
02:16:14,400 --> 02:16:17,060
Hand out some door knockers and so on

1682
02:16:17,060 --> 02:16:23,500
Because I do believe that there are still residents that are not even yet aware that this upgrade is happening

1683
02:16:23,500 --> 02:16:26,920
So I think it's very important that we pursue that

1684
02:16:27,780 --> 02:16:35,940
And finally, in regards to what Sharon was asking, sorry, Council Member Shite, was asking

1685
02:16:35,940 --> 02:16:40,480
about the Housing Subcommittee on which we very much miss your presence.

1686
02:16:42,320 --> 02:16:48,660
I think that we should consider having another meeting with the Subcommittee in the near

1687
02:16:48,660 --> 02:16:54,300
future so that we have something to prepare to deliver to Council after the budget period.

1688
02:16:54,300 --> 02:17:10,220
because I think getting it, you know, in that middle of winter slump is the best time to deliver these type of, you know, project plans because then we have an opportunity to get them rolling by spring time if there's anything that can be done in the short term.

1689
02:17:11,360 --> 02:17:12,480
And that's all I have for today.

1690
02:17:12,480 --> 02:17:12,740
Right,

1691
02:17:15,580 --> 02:17:27,400
so we have some exciting community events coming up. We have this suicide prevention rally and walk on September 20th, which is this Friday from 12 to 2 at the Kelsey doc.

1692
02:17:28,100 --> 02:17:38,600
It'll be a good event as it is every year. Please come out and join us on the 20th of September. We have the Sound Wellness Alliance Network Wellness Symposium.

1693
02:17:38,600 --> 02:17:48,240
We are partnering with, oh, so many community entities to show you all the ways that you can be healthy and well in balladies.

1694
02:17:48,700 --> 02:17:56,860
Providence will be there to take self-directed labs. You can get your vitamin D checked and all the most important things.

1695
02:17:57,220 --> 02:18:04,680
So please come and join us and you'll get a free bag of organic vegetables provided by Rogues Garden.

1696
02:18:04,680 --> 02:18:07,960
and it's just an amazing bag of vegetables and fruits.

1697
02:18:08,340 --> 02:18:09,900
So we'll see you there.

1698
02:18:10,040 --> 02:18:11,720
The mammogram will be able to be there.

1699
02:18:11,780 --> 02:18:13,880
The blood bag had to unfortunately cancel,

1700
02:18:14,160 --> 02:18:16,480
but make your appointment if you need a mammogram

1701
02:18:17,240 --> 02:18:18,980
at Providence Imaging Center.

1702
02:18:23,530 --> 02:18:27,070
I just wanted to thank Providence Melanie and the doctors

1703
02:18:27,070 --> 02:18:28,850
for answering all of our questions

1704
02:18:28,850 --> 02:18:31,630
tonight regarding the position retention

1705
02:18:31,630 --> 02:18:32,910
and recruitment program.

1706
02:18:34,490 --> 02:18:41,150
I also wanted to thank the city for supporting the 9-11 Memorial Service from last week.

1707
02:18:41,970 --> 02:18:48,790
Chief Rainer did a great job and told the story of Steven Siller, who's the fireman that

1708
02:18:48,790 --> 02:18:54,330
ran through the tunnel to join his company and then ended up perishing in the 9-11 attacks.

1709
02:18:55,190 --> 02:18:59,930
And he also, his brother started the tunnel, the Towers Foundation kind of thing that

1710
02:18:59,930 --> 02:19:07,050
provides houses for gold star families. So all of that came out of 9-11. It's near

1711
02:19:07,050 --> 02:19:10,150
and dear to my heart because I was in the Coast Guard and stationed in New York and

1712
02:19:10,150 --> 02:19:15,430
helped with the evacuation of Manhattan when that happened, so I just wanted to thank

1713
02:19:15,430 --> 02:19:16,110
the city for that.

1714
02:19:19,130 --> 02:19:24,990
I have nothing. Thank you. The only things I had is just appreciation

1715
02:19:24,990 --> 02:19:29,310
and support for the city of Aldi's conducting that comprehensive emergency response exercises

1716
02:19:29,310 --> 02:19:35,850
this past May. It has saw the video in the use update that I sent out there. Man, that was an impressive

1717
02:19:37,550 --> 02:19:43,210
event and it's just such an important thing to be ready for an emergency response in our town

1718
02:19:43,210 --> 02:19:47,250
at the end of the road where we can get cut off from resources and services and just have

1719
02:19:47,870 --> 02:19:53,710
city staff coordinating with other resources around Faldi and have that ready in the training with

1720
02:19:53,710 --> 02:19:59,150
the ICS and everything. It was amazing just to see the video and it seemed like a lot of work and a

1721
02:19:59,150 --> 02:20:04,630
a lot of time went into it and it seemed really helpful to have our city prepared for a disaster

1722
02:20:04,630 --> 02:20:10,290
ahead of time. As we all know, our city has been struck by such things in the past, so

1723
02:20:10,850 --> 02:20:15,390
being prepared is key. So that was awesome. Appreciate support that. And then the other thing I wanted to

1724
02:20:15,390 --> 02:20:24,370
report is the city manager review. We do have a meeting scheduled with the city manager, the stride

1725
02:20:24,370 --> 02:20:29,510
the 20th for his quarterly review, so let you know if anything comes out of that, but for doing that on

1726
02:20:29,510 --> 02:20:34,550
Friday. And with that, I will adjourn the meeting.