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Good. How are you?

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Good evening everyone. We'll go ahead

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and call our meeting to order. Welcome

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back to my colleagues. I hope you all

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had a great um summer recess. So at this

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time, roll call please. Mr. Clerk.

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>> Council member Mongon

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>> here. Council member Compost

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>> is here. Council member Schumacher

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>> here.

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Council member Duran

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>> here.

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>> Council member Mcrenolds

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>> here.

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>> Deputy Mayor Halter

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>> here.

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>> Mayor Dr. Sanchez Palasios

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>> here.

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>> Seven members present. We do have a

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quorum.

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>> Thank you. Council member Compost, will

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you please lead us in the pledge of

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allegiance?

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» Please stand if you're able to.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for it stands. One nation under

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God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» Thank you for that.

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At this time, we'll go ahead and um

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welcome our special presentations and

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announcements. I know we have a special

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presentation by United Water

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Conservation District. Do we have Tara

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here?

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» Maybe not.

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» Will you check out there?

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Hi, Tara.

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>> Hi. [laughter]

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>> Sorry, I was waiting outside.

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>> That's okay. You

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>> can catch your breath. It's all

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[clears throat] good.

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>> I love I love catching my breath. And

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thank you so much, Mayor Sanchez.

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[sighs]

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Palasios.

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So, let's talk about something else that

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kind of takes my breath away. We'll

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start with our bond measure, which is

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called water supply conservation and the

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water quality bond measure, also known

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as measure D. [gasps]

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» You're okay.

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>> Yeah. All right. [sighs]

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So,

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it's um going to be on November 3rd. And

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is there a clicker?

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>> Next slide.

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Uh just to give you a little bit of our

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service area which includes half of

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Ventura County or half of Ventura, the

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city of Ventura, roughly

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all of Midtown. So, I just really wanted

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to highlight that you are in our service

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area for this particular bond measure.

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We cover 33 335 square miles and

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observed Ventura County for about a 100

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years and we have done this before and

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back in 1953. Unfortunately, Ventura was

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actually outside of our limits at that

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time, but you guys have grown quite a

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bit probably due to some of that water.

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Some of our sustainability and projects

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include the Santa Fleia dam safety

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improvement project which I will go into

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more detail, the Freeman diversion

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expansion and conveyance system upgrade

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and then the extraction area and

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brackish water treatment plan which are

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these three things.

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So those three things are not

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inexpensive

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and they're not optional. They've been

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demanded upon us by regulatory agencies

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including the department of safety of

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dams and fk for our dam, our nymphs

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biological opinion for the Freeman

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diversion improvement project and the

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extraction marrier and brackish water

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treatment project which is part of our

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sigma requirements.

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The Santa Fle dam safety improvement

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project is up at Lake Pyu. I don't know

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if you guys have heard of that, but if

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you have, it's just down the 126.

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What a great clerk.

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Oh, that was much better. Thank you. So,

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237 people live downstream of that dam.

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Some of which live in Ventura County or

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V city of Ventura, of which I am one.

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So, I actually live in Ventura. I really

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live it there by the way. Great city.

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[laughter] Um and what it does is it uh

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Lake Pyro protects water supplies

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including wildfire suppression,

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groundwater recharge and of course the

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recreation of the lake itself. What we

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need to do is move that intake from the

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western side because right now it runs

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through the dam which means that if it

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fails, it fails pretty catastrophically

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and we need to move it through the

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bedrock of the mount on the other side.

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It's critical that we do this work

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otherwise we may lose operation of the

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dam or we uh we may have to drain the

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lake. So those are kind of some options

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of if we don't move forward with this

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project. And the project is $314

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million. So it's not an inexpensive one

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The next slide please. The Freeman

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diversion improvement project is a NY's

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biological opinion oper uh started

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project and then we have to continue it

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because of a court order that we're

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currently under. So we're looking at

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rather than

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um abandoning our Freeman diversion

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moving forward with our improved anal

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project which is with the conveyance

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system upgrade looking at about 104

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million. Next slide.

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Finally, we have our extraction barrier

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and brackish water treatment project,

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which will create a seawater intrusion

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barrier at Point Magoo, which is where a

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lot of the seawater intrusion for the

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entire Oxnard plane is based. And that's

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looking at $51 million for phase one.

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These projects together total $469

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million. We have secured grant funding

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for about 31.5 of that million. We also

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have a WIA loan that we've secured for

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83, which leaves us with that $354

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million gap, which is why we have a $350

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And just as a reminder, if authorized by

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voters, we don't have to get $350

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million. We are still seeking grants

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every moment of every day. We're

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definitely looking under every couch

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cushion. Next slide.

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How it would work very, very quickly.

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The election is on November 3rd. It

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requires twothirds of a vote to pass and

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the bond measure total is 350 million.

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As I stated earlier, it would be issued

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over three years is what we're looking

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at right now. So, we get all of that

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money up front. It works like a mortgage

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where we have to pay it back in property

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taxes. The projects that would be built

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are from our capital program and the tax

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would mean roughly $24 per $100,000 of

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valuation for each home on property

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taxes. This is not a new fee. This would

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be part of property tax which would mean

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approximately $10121

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per average per year for the average

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home. We looked at about a $51,000

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home which is currently the average in

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Ventura County.

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accountability, I'm going to repeat

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those numbers again and in a really easy

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way for people to understand. So $24 per

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$100,000 of assessed value. average

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homeowner $121 a year, which is about

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$10 a month. As a reminder, renters

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don't pay property tax directly, so it's

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not a direct tax to them. The tax would

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begin in fiscal year of 2028 and would

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end in fiscal year of 207. And because

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also accountability is important as you

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guys understand as council members,

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these would be legally restricted to

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voter approved capital projects. They

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cannot be used for salaries, operations,

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or administrative costs, and annual

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independent audits would be required

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under California law. The board of

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directors would retain full oversight of

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the issuance and spending as we do every

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single time. And of course, our board

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meetings are open to the public. We

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would also have regular reporting on

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public progress and budget, which we've

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been doing all throughout with our water

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sustainability summit. But then we would

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also be increasing our community

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outreach as we have been to ensure that

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people are aware of these projects and

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aware of what they mean. And finally, we

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have the United Water Bond Project under

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California Water Code and that's

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currently on our website. Speaking of

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you can find out more information by

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attending one of our community meetings.

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Those dates will be posted shortly. They

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will run through September and October.

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We'll be doing them all up and down the

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entire 126 corridor. You can read the

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bond report online which I just

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mentioned. I brought handouts with me

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today in case anyone needs a handout to

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remind them of this important

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information. You're more than welcome to

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visit unitedwater.org/bond

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for more direct bond information. And

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then you can email us directly at

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info@unitedwwater.org and that goes

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directly to me. Any other questions? Is

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that's the next slide.

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I tried to keep it quick. I was told we

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had five [laughter] minutes.

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>> Thank you so much for your presentation.

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I don't see any questions from

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colleagues. So,

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>> fabulous. Thank you for being here.

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>> Thank you so much for the opportunity to

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present this important information. We

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just wanted to make sure things were

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clear and understood.

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» Okay, moving on on our agenda, we go to

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our close session report. Mr. City

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Attorney,

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>> mayor, the council took up all three uh

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items on it close session agenda and

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there was no reportable action.

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Great. Thank you.

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On to our city council communications.

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Do I have any colleagues with

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announcements? Deputy Mayor Halter.

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>> Uh thank you, Madam Mayor. Um as well,

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I'm glad happy to be back. Uh seems like

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we've been gone a long time. Uh I so

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long that I actually forgot my phone in

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my office, so I don't have my notes with

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me, but [laughter] but part for the

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course. Uh so instead I'll just say that

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a lot of the meetings are all starting

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up again across the board. I know there

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is the housing subcommittee on Wednesday

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at 3 o'clock here at city hall. I know

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that there's um uh uh our ad hoc

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committee for Main Street moves. We have

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five or six meetings scheduled and

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that's all listed as well on the city's

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website. And uh I know that Land Trust

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has a fantastic uh filming event uh that

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goes on. It's a wild forget the exact

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name wild and natural probably.

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>> What is it called you guys?

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scenic.

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>> Okay. Wild and scenic. Okay. And the

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date is

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Anyways, it's on my notes on my phone.

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So, I'll skip all that and just tell you

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that I had a really great time getting

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caught up on a lot of things in my life,

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getting a chance to see so many

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constituents. And I did take a week or

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so to go up uh to Northern California.

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Uh saw a family reunion, about 160 of my

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family members from one side of the

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family. I went into San Francisco and

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saw my old girlfriend from high school

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and her husband and went to the

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Prescidio. If you hadn't been to

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Prescidio, it's unbelievable what

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they've done to that place. It's really

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probably my favorite part of that city

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now. And also um got a chance to go to a

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wedding, spend some time in the

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redwoods, uh Felton up in Felton, they

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light up the redwoods at night and put

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some color on these redwoods and it

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makes the redwoods even more majestic.

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So, it was very action-packed, a lot of

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fun, and a lot of work month off. I do

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want to mention though that I would like

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to close tonight's meeting in honor of

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somebody that you probably all know

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about, and I think a lot of you have

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become just as endeared to this uh this

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being as I have, and that's Jackie, the Eagle.

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I want to mention that um as you know her name was Jackie and

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she was one of the beautiful bald eagles

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of Big Bear Lake who along with her

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longtime partner Shadow allowed millions

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of us into her life through the Big Bear

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Eagle camera. For years I was one of

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those people. And I think what endeared

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Jackie to so many of us was that in a

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world that can sometimes feel too hurry,

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too divided, and filled with so much

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contrived chaos, Jackie was something

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wonderful and real. There were no

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politics in the nest, no arguments, no

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deadlines, just the rhythm of nature and

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magnificent eagle. Sitting patiently

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through snowstorms, protecting her eggs,

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feeding her babies, soaring over Big

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Bear Lake, and sharing a remarkable

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partnership with Shadow. We watched

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Jackie experience triumph and heartbreak

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loss. We watched her endure brittle win

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brutal winters

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and begin again. And we watched Jackie

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and Shadow demonstrate in their own wild

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ways something very human, loyalty,

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courage, resilience, patience, and the

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extraordinary commitment required to

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care for those you love. Jackie died

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this month at the age of 14 years old.

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in the remarkable outpouring of grief

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from people around the world tells us

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that she became much more than just

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simply a bird people watched on a

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camera. She became a reminder. A

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reminder that beauty still exists around

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us every day. That nature operates on a

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timetable very different from ours. That

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resilience sometimes simply means

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getting back into your nest and trying

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again. And that caring for another

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living thing may be among the most

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meaningful things any of us can ever do.

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For me, Jackie represented something

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else as well. The very best of the

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American West. Wild, beautiful,

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independent, courageous, and free. So,

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tonight from our little corner of

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California here in Ventura, I would

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simply like to say that you thank you,

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Jackie, for allowing us into your world.

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Thank you for the quiet moments of peace

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you gave so many of us. Thank you for

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reminding us that sometimes if we stop

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all the noise long enough and simply

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look up, there is still an extraordinary

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amount of beauty in this world. May you

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forever soar over the mountains you call

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home. Good night, Jackie. I want to

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mention that our own uh Ohigh Rapture

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Center tried bringing her back to health

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after three weeks. It was a major

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struggle and she did end up passing away

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about a week and a half ago. So, I want

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to uh conclude tonight's meeting in

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honor of Jackie. Thank you for that,

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Council Member Schumacher.

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» Thank you, Mayor.

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Um, so [clears throat] when I uh before

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I got elected, I participated in a

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community academy through the police

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department. And I was so inspired that

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one of the things that I talked about in

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my campaign is to do a larger city uh

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community academy. And that is exactly

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two years later. Um, we are actually

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doing that this year in the fall. Um,

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I'm happy to partner with uh the mayor

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as well as the city manager and um all

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the staff members that are doing this

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amazing program. Um, the community

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academy um is really just trying to make

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sure that we have a pipeline of more

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active um participants really opening

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the house of the city um in our

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departments, our facilities, and our

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staff. Uh it is an eight-week course and

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we're doing it every other year. And I'm

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so happy to to say that uh we had we

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have 30 spots for our participants for

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our inaugural class or our inaugural

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cohort. Um and we received about 60

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applicants. So, we're doing our due

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diligence to uh look through all of the

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applicants, and we're going to be doing

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some interviews this week to make sure

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that we have a really strong, very

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diverse um uh first group of of of uh

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citizens or residents that are going to

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be participating in our first cohort.

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Um, and one of the things that's going

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to start in September throughout

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November, and I think uh it's going to

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be an eight-week um program. And the

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beautiful part about this is I'm talking

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to my colleagues now is that each one of

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you surprise will be representing each

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week to introduce uh yourselves to some

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people that may not know who you are. Uh

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so the great thing is is that um every

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week uh this cohort is going to meet new

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council or or the the current council

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members because we're all going to be in

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your district. Um we want to highlight

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the operations of the water department.

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We want to highlight the police

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department. We want to highlight practic

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I mean the city hall of how beautiful it

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is and um there are young people that

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have applied which is fantastic. We have

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retired people that are on the the list

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as well and it's just a gamut um of of a

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very diverse group of people. So I'm

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very thankful to the city manager and

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the staff for making this you know the

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vision that I had and and tr really

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truly making this into something uh to

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come to fruition. And um I think we're

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going to be announcing the final group

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uh by the end of August, if not earlier.

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So um thank you again and um I look

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forward to seeing the the first group.

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>> Thank you, Council Member Mcrenolds.

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>> Thank you, Madam Mayor. Uh two quick

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announcements. The economic development

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committee will be meeting this Thursday

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uh here at city hall at 3:30. So

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everybody's invited to attend uh that,

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get updates on the latest economic

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development news. And then I just wanted

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to welcome uh all of the students back

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uh to the school. Uh Ventura Unified

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started last Wednesday. Uh my youngest

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son started his senior year of high

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school, so excited about that and uh

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just wanted to welcome everybody back as

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we close out the summer. Thank you.

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>> Thank you, Council Member Compos.

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» Thank you. Um thank you, Mr. Mc Reynolds

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for taking my line about the schools

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welcoming back, but keep in mind there's

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a lot of activities with coming back to

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school. So, a lot of the schools are

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going to be having weekend fairs to make

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sure the kids and families all know

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what's going on in that school year for

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their school and parent nights will

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start beginning soon. So, come to those

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events. Um also the um

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tomorrow the housing and homeless

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subcommittee meets tomorrow afternoon

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and on Monday the first meeting of the

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main street move subcommittee will take

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place.

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» Thank you. And I have a just a few

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announcements as well. Um throughout the

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break uh happily attended several um

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ribbon cutings. Um, one of a few of

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those which included um the residents in

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grand opening the new hotel off of where

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the um off the 101 near Seawward. Um

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also attended the uh renovation

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reopening ribbon cutting of the um palm

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at Buenavventura Assisted Living and

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Memory Care as well as the Tifa

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chocolate and gelato ribbon cutting um

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in downtown. Uh so those were exciting

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uh ribbon cutings to attend. um seeing

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how how much our community is continuing

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to evolve and grow um which is really

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great to see. Um coming up, the Merido

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Foundation will be also be having their

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ribbon cutting this Friday. And then

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lastly, I want to ensure and welcome

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everyone to the state of the city. Um

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that will be coming up September 9th

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here at city hall. We'll be outside. Um,

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but I wanted to let you all know that

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starting at 4:00, we're going to have

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local school and local group

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performances as well as pop-up

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informationational tables. We'll do the

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touch a truck again. I'm sure we're

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going to have our um PD K9's um out

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there and the state of the city address

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will start at 5:00. So, you all are

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invited and I hope to see you there. and

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also want to welcome back students and

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just kind of let remind folks like

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council member Compost did is that

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there's a lot of pedestrians out there

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now. So, let's make sure we're paying

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attention as we're driving. So, that

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concludes my comments. Um, we'll move on

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to our city manager communications.

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>> Thank you, Madame Mayor, and thank you

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for mentioning the state of the city.

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We're excited about that. I will also

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add that the uh city will be doing a

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second presentation on the state of the

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city with the chamber of commerce. It is

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a ticketed breakfast at the Crown Plaza.

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That will be on the morning of September

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17th.

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Uh we have upcom upcoming street

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maintenance starting later this month.

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The city will begin slurry seal

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maintenance on several major streets

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including Thompson Boulevard, San Hon

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Road, Main Street, Telephone Road,

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Telegraph Road, and Kimell Road. Slurry

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Seal is a protective treatment that

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helps preserve pavement and can extend

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the life of a street by six to eight

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years. Work will continue through early

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December and will include temporary lane

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closures and some nighttime work.

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Residents and businesses in affected

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areas will receive mailed postcards with

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additional information and project

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details will also be available on the

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city's website.

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Our waterfront project notice of

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availability and this is the old parking

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structure uh site next to the Crown

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Plaza on Harbor Boulevard. The notice of

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availability period closed on August

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3rd. No responses were received to

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either the surplus land act notice or

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the open space notice. Staff has

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submitted the final surplus land act

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disposition packet to the state and

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anticipates receiving a determination by

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midepptember.

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Once that process is complete, staff

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will work with the council's economic

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development subcommittee to create a

554
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,359
community engagement process and

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identify the next steps before returning

556
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to the full city council.

557
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Our venttor youth basketball Association

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is accepting registration. Uh opens on

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Tuesday, August 25th at noon. This is

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for players in grades 2 through 8.

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Participants will need to register for a

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00:36:55,839 --> 00:36:58,160
mandatory skills assessment with dates

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on September 16, 19, 23, and 26. We are

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also looking for volunteer coaches and

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paid referees for the upcoming season.

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So there's lots of opportunities

567
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,440
available. Registration, skills

568
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,200
assessment, and volunteer and employment

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information are all available on the

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city's website. And lastly, we'll have

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meetings of the city council on August

572
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25th, followed by September 15th. And

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that concludes my remarks, mayor. Thank

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you.

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>> Thank you. We'll move on to public

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00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,680
communications. Um, this is the portion

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of the meeting where we have members of

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00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,000
the public to speak on city related

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00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,599
items that are not listed on tonight's

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00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:39,760
agenda. Under the Brown Act, the city

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council cannot discuss or take action on

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items raised during this time. And to

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00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,320
help ensure an orderly and and inclusive

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00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,320
process, all speakers must submit their

585
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,560
request to speak at this time. If you

586
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,480
are joining us remotely, please make

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00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,320
sure that you use the raised hand

588
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,119
feature in Zoom. Public communications

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is limited to a maximum of 20 speakers

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00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,160
with priority given to in-person

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participants. And as a reminder, um I

592
00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:09,760
encourage you to be respectful, um and

593
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encourage you to use the American Sign

594
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Language Applause by gently twisting

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00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:19,200
your wrists to show um support and um

596
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,760
yeah, support for the for the speakers.

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Um at this point, u Mr. City Clerk, do

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we have any public comments?

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>> Thank you, Mayor. We have 14 speaker

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cards for general public comment.

601
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>> Thank you. And because there are more

602
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,400
than 10, um, each speaker will get two

603
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,560
minutes.

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I will go ahead and open the public

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comment now and you can call the first

606
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speaker. Our first speaker is Dr. Lisa

607
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Klein, followed by Michelle Rosen Bloom.

608
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Hi, good evening. I'm Dr. Lisa Klene and

609
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my work and the trust my patients place

610
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in me revolves around confidentiality

611
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and privacy. That's why protecting

612
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,960
personal information is so important to

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00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:13,040
me. In 1996, Congress enacted the HIPPA

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compliance act establishing federal

615
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standards to protect the privacy and

616
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security of certain health information.

617
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Flock Safety, that's the name of the

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company and the manufacturer of the

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Flock cameras, raise serious concerns

620
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about privacy, collection, sharing, and

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accessibility of personal data. These

622
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,880
systems can expose information about our

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private lives and potentially make that

624
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information available.

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There's 23 flock cameras in Ventura, 19

626
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in Oxnard, and none in Ohio. The Oxnard

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um police chief Bonitez has raised

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serious concerns and since February all

629
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flock cameras in Oxnard have been

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suspended.

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He stated that these cameras were giving

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outofstate agencies access to our

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information in our community. He's

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indicated that this raises concerns

635
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,960
under California law and that he's

636
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convinced that the flock safety has not

637
00:40:19,839 --> 00:40:23,280
adequately rectified these issues. This

638
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,119
is a quote from him. These cameras erode

639
00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:31,280
our public trust and technology is not

640
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the only issue. I implore this community

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to follow by example of Chief Bonitez by

642
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,359
doing the right thing. protect our

643
00:40:41,359 --> 00:40:44,079
community, protect our privacy, protect

644
00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:46,000
the public's trust, and most

645
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,240
importantly, let's have a robust

646
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:51,119
conversation in these chambers before we

647
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:54,640
allow this techn technology to further

648
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,040
embed our community.

649
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,119
>> Michelle Rosenlum, followed by Henry

650
00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:05,589
Mattisich.

651
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:07,200
» Uh, good evening, council. Michelle

652
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:11,599
Rosenlum. Uh I here am to to encourage

653
00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:14,800
you all to put flock on a future agenda.

654
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,040
Uh I think it's really important that we

655
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,520
have this talk about such a powerful

656
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,520
technology that has crept up on us. Uh

657
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,960
it was approved on the consent calendar

658
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:31,040
many years ago before AI has reached the

659
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,920
level that it has now. I've been doing a

660
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:38,160
lot of discussion around town and uh

661
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:39,680
education needs to happen with the

662
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,480
public. A lot of people think that these

663
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,079
are the same cameras that are just red

664
00:41:44,079 --> 00:41:47,359
light cameras. They are not. Um I

665
00:41:47,359 --> 00:41:50,079
haven't gotten the public data yet from

666
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:51,920
here at the city. But at the county

667
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,400
level, I have I just received 38

668
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,359
documents on flock and a whole audit on

669
00:41:57,359 --> 00:41:59,119
a month-to-month how many searches are

670
00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:01,040
going on. not just out of state, there

671
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:02,400
was the breach, which is super

672
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,319
concerning and I think violated our care

673
00:42:04,319 --> 00:42:08,000
resolution, by the way. Um, but whether

674
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,720
or not that was addressed, I am seeing

675
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:16,079
that 7,000 searches a day are happening

676
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:19,359
from outside counties into Ventura

677
00:42:19,359 --> 00:42:21,920
County. That's including Riverside with

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00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,560
Sheriff Chad Biano and a lot of other

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00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,119
cities. Some of them have been sued by

680
00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:29,280
Bont because they have been improperly

681
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,920
sending that data to other states

682
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,400
breaking California law. So what we're

683
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,960
doing is not just it's not about whether

684
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,480
or not we trust Ventura PD. This data is

685
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,640
going all over the state to every police

686
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,560
station. You're asking us to trust every

687
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police station in the state of

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California. There's a lot of issues

689
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,599
around this that we cannot fit within 2

690
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:52,319
minutes. I've emailed all of you some uh

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00:42:52,319 --> 00:42:54,800
information and I can send some more. Uh

692
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,400
Chief Dicki has offered to have

693
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:57,920
conversation about it as well and I'm

694
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,599
happy to take him up on that. But this

695
00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:01,520
to me is a bigger issue than the city

696
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,560
and I hope I urge you all to add this to

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00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:05,920
a future agenda. Thank you for your

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00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,119
time.

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00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:17,510
>> Henry followed by Lynn Arnne Brown.

700
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,440
The fourth amendment endows the right of

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00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:20,960
the people to be secure in their

702
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,720
persons, houses, papers, and effects

703
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:24,160
against unreasonable searches and

704
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,400
seizures shall not be violated. This

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00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,560
June, the Supreme Court ruled 6 to3 in

706
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,480
Chatry v. US that police sweeping

707
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,800
location data without a warrant is a

708
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,400
search under the fourth amendment and

709
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,480
therefore a violation of these rights.

710
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,079
This applies directly to automatic

711
00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:39,599
license plate readers, just like the

712
00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:41,520
flot cameras we have all over the city.

713
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,599
Every time a car passes a Flock camera,

714
00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:45,280
it is logged whether the driver is a

715
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:46,800
suspect or an 18-year-old on his way to

716
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,640
a city council meeting. And Flock goes

717
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,400
further than just your license plate.

718
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:51,760
They have something that they call

719
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,839
vehicle fingerprint technology. It's a

720
00:43:53,839 --> 00:43:55,359
system designed to track your car by

721
00:43:55,359 --> 00:43:57,520
color, dents, and bumper stickers. And

722
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,040
it's the exact kind of draget

723
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,400
surveillance that the Supreme Court just

724
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,720
ruled on. The city's invoices show what

725
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:05,440
we pay to run it. Roughly $130,000 a

726
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,040
year as Flock keeps hiking up the price

727
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,359
tag on constitutional violations. If you

728
00:44:09,359 --> 00:44:10,720
thought it couldn't get worse, I'm

729
00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:12,880
sorry. Part of a contract with Flock is

730
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,400
the fact that all of the data collected

731
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,319
by a system gets collected into Flock's

732
00:44:16,319 --> 00:44:18,560
nationwide database, one that any law

733
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,960
enforcement agency can pull from. This

734
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:22,960
system allowed Texas cops to utilize

735
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,119
80,000 cameras to track a woman who

736
00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:26,640
crossed state lines for an abortion

737
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,800
without a permit. There have been

738
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,560
thousands of reports of ICE being able

739
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,240
to racially profile people across state

740
00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:33,599
lines from the comfort of their mom's

741
00:44:33,599 --> 00:44:35,680
basement. An executive of Flock was even

742
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,680
caught watching a community cent's kids

743
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,400
gymnastics and swimming classes for

744
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,960
hours on end. This is a corporation

745
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,960
without accountability. And the

746
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,200
sorry, the [snorts] three cameras in the

747
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,040
Lowe's parking lot and the camera aimed

748
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:52,960
at the VHS bus stop make me sick due to

749
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,400
the reports of the accountability within

750
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,880
this corporation. Stop giving a private

751
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,560
corporation with private interests

752
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,400
hundreds of thousands of dollars along

753
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:01,920
with our fourth amendment rights that

754
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,760
could be used making real public safety

755
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,200
with ambulance relief, affordable

756
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,680
housing, and smooth and safe roads. Make public safety by serving the

757
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,560
least among us in love, not by adding

758
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,000
them to a shady public surveillance

759
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,720
database. Thank you,

760
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:18,720
>> Lynn Arnell Brown, followed by Philip

761
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:23,589
Fields.

762
00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:25,839
» Good evening. You know, I represent

763
00:45:25,839 --> 00:45:28,319
Satakoy for Sensible Development. We

764
00:45:28,319 --> 00:45:31,119
oppose the 16 pump gas station. Miss

765
00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:32,480
Arnell, sorry. Can you bring down the

766
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,240
mics? Thank you.

767
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:37,200
>> Thank you. Uh, we oppose the 16 pump gas

768
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:38,960
station project at the corner of Wells

769
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,079
and Darling called Satakoy East Village.

770
00:45:42,079 --> 00:45:44,880
I stood here over two months ago asking

771
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,440
for a moratorum on the current and

772
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,440
proposed gas station and drive-through

773
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,680
restaurants in the city of Ventura for

774
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,319
the health of the residents in the city.

775
00:45:54,319 --> 00:45:56,560
At the very least, I ask that healthy

776
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,920
setbacks be established. I've heard only

777
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:03,200
crickets. It's also come to my attention

778
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,480
that Ventur's current development map

779
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,880
development projects map has maintained

780
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,839
a huge discrepancy for the Satakoy East

781
00:46:11,839 --> 00:46:14,480
Village project. It does not mention a

782
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,960
gas station in the description for this

783
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,319
project. This gas station is the sole

784
00:46:20,319 --> 00:46:22,480
reason why the developer wants to build

785
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,520
at that site. This gas station is the

786
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,920
sole reason why the city's east end

787
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,880
water wells are at risk.

788
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,280
That's Ventur's drinking water for

789
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:37,119
thousands of people. Um

790
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:38,160
how could [clears throat] this part of

791
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,160
the project be left out of that

792
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,839
description? Is this map legally binding

793
00:46:43,839 --> 00:46:46,640
or is itformational for state and local

794
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,280
officials and citizens? I don't know.

795
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,040
But somebody needs to talk to the

796
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,440
planning department about that. But due

797
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,440
to that error, we believe this gas

798
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,000
station project must be included in a

799
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:04,319
moratorum. Please do better. Thank you.

800
00:47:04,319 --> 00:47:06,240
Next speaker is Philip Fields, followed

801
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:16,069
by Casey Rodriguez.

802
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:19,359
The Ventura Council wants the public to

803
00:47:19,359 --> 00:47:21,599
trust you.

804
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:23,920
But that is almost impossible when you

805
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,359
look at the deceitful way the community

806
00:47:27,359 --> 00:47:30,240
development staff treats you and the

807
00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:32,079
public.

808
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:35,359
Example, the Sarcoy development.

809
00:47:35,359 --> 00:47:37,760
the descriptions on every meeting notice

810
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,880
and in the planning website itself is a

811
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,640
deceit

812
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,280
because the primary development there's

813
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:49,680
a huge gas station not a dog park not

814
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:54,079
100 housing units a gas station however

815
00:47:54,079 --> 00:47:56,720
at no time does the description mention

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a gas station the word gas station

817
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,839
doesn't even appear anywhere in the

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00:48:01,839 --> 00:48:04,640
description thus the staff is committing

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fraud thought and deceit lying

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00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,680
deliberately hiding the purpose of that

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development being pushed into a

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historically disadvantaged neighborhood.

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At this time when we face catastrophic

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climate change due to gas and oil and

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00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:23,680
road surfaces there in our air, our

826
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lungs, our lives.

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We need a council we can trust to make

828
00:48:29,839 --> 00:48:32,400
the right decisions. The back stops with

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00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:36,000
you council and with you city manager.

830
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,559
Don't expect us to trust you or vote for

831
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:41,680
you when you deceive us. And if you

832
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,680
don't see the receipt, then take control

833
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,720
of your city manager and his assistant.

834
00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:49,920
They have deceived you.

835
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,839
must fire this deceivers.

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The

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00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,400
deflocking is nationwide. We need to

838
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,559
deflock

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00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:05,520
and stop all contracts on data centers.

840
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,960
That is evil. They're coming after us.

841
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:10,640
Pauses,

842
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,280
hysteria, macartism. We've seen it

843
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,960
before. It's coming back. So, we got to

844
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,960
stop the data centers.

845
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,720
>> Thank you. Next speaker is Casey

846
00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:29,794
Rodriguez, followed by Kevin Daly.

847
00:49:29,804 --> 00:49:30,720
» [clears throat]

848
00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:33,680
>> Haku. Haku. Hello everybody. Wow. It

849
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,480
must be campaign time cuz there's a lot

850
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,280
of new faces in the crowd.

851
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,920
One so new in this space that they were

852
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,839
told sit here so they can see you.

853
00:49:45,839 --> 00:49:48,480
As a resident of district 6, I would

854
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,079
like to remind I speak for myself

855
00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:53,200
tonight. As a resident of district 6 and

856
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,520
one who has been involved in city and

857
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,800
state government policies government for

858
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,839
years, it is an issue to not see running

859
00:50:01,839 --> 00:50:05,280
candidates in these spaces before. How

860
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,160
generine is your dedication to the city,

861
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,200
to the people? I drive by my

862
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,599
neighborhood and I see your face and

863
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:15,599
first initial of your first name on

864
00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:18,640
signs, but I don't see anything about

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00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:22,319
community safety.

866
00:50:22,319 --> 00:50:25,760
All I see is you selling yourself in my

867
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,680
view.

868
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,480
If I do vote for a council member, it

869
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,559
will need to be someone who I've seen

870
00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:36,000
committed to this city and absolutely my

871
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,119
district before now. one whom I can put

872
00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:41,440
my full trust in knowing that they will

873
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,760
protect the people. That is why I

874
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,000
withdrew being a true generant leader

875
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,559
thinking of the people first.

876
00:50:48,559 --> 00:50:50,720
Today I saw flock cameras help

877
00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:52,960
shoplifting

878
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,680
doesn't surprise me. Like the police

879
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,480
sheriffs they weren't created to protect

880
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,440
the people but capitalism. It goes

881
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,440
against our rights and the only thing

882
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:07,119
saving the people are the people. Please

883
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:10,000
put flock cameras on future agenda. And

884
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,000
thank you Michelle Wenlum for once again

885
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,040
for your courageous call out.

886
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:22,309
>> Kevin Daly followed by Amber Thompson.

887
00:51:22,319 --> 00:51:25,040
» Fellow city council members and fellow

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00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,440
citizens of Ventura. My name is Kevin

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00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,240
Dailyaly. I am running for city council

890
00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:33,119
in district 6. These are some of the

891
00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:35,760
important issues that are facing the

892
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,839
city of Venture. We have roads,

893
00:51:37,839 --> 00:51:40,800
infrastructure, affordable housing,

894
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,760
unhoused people, and new homes and where

895
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:47,040
to put the new homes. The biggest issue

896
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,720
facing my area is the roads and

897
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:53,359
infrastructure. When I talk to people in

898
00:51:53,359 --> 00:51:56,079
the community, they always mention the

899
00:51:56,079 --> 00:51:58,800
roads and the condition of the roads. I

900
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,359
talked to my city council member uh Jim

901
00:52:01,359 --> 00:52:03,440
Duran several years ago about the

902
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,880
condition of the road on my street in

903
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,000
the Montavo area and he said send

904
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,800
pictures in with the areas that need

905
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,280
work and we will send a crew out and

906
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,480
patch them. I did that four times and

907
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,839
received no response. I tried making

908
00:52:21,839 --> 00:52:24,800
phone calls. I sent emails in. No

909
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,040
response. It's been years and years

910
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,760
since my my street in the area that I

911
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:34,960
live in has had any work on it. In my

912
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,119
campaign for city council, my biggest

913
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:39,920
issue is the roads and infrastructure.

914
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,160
The people have spoken. When you go

915
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,280
around, that's the most important issue

916
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,000
to them. I have been a resident of the

917
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:53,040
Montavo area in district 6 since 1984.

918
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,680
I want to give the people in district 6

919
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,960
and Montavo a voice that they have

920
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,839
lacked a lot.

921
00:53:01,839 --> 00:53:04,000
I want to help with issues of

922
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,000
infrastructure. I want to make sure that

923
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,680
the roads are repaired and replaced.

924
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,559
When the city uh annexed the Montavo

925
00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:15,760
area, they promised to put sidewalks in.

926
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,800
That was not done by the city. So, the

927
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,680
city needs to do that. Thank you,

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00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,839
>> Amber Thompson, followed by Kristen

929
00:53:23,839 --> 00:53:25,280
Kesler.

930
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:26,960
>> Again, please hold your applause so that

931
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:28,400
we can make sure everyone feels

932
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:33,109
included. Thank you.

933
00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:35,119
» Good evening, Mayor Sanchez Palasios,

934
00:53:35,119 --> 00:53:37,200
Deputy Mayor Halter, Council members,

935
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,280
and city staff. My name is Amber

936
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,599
Thompson. I'm a Ventura resident and the

937
00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:43,680
community's co-author of the city's care

938
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:47,760
policy resolution 2025-47.

939
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,079
I'm here tonight to remind you the care

940
00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:51,920
policy exists to prevent local

941
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:53,680
government from becoming an instrument

942
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,640
for targeting immigrants, LGBTQ plus

943
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,559
people, or those seeking reproductive

944
00:53:58,559 --> 00:54:02,319
health care. Adopted June 26, 2025, the

945
00:54:02,319 --> 00:54:04,319
care policy prohibits city resources

946
00:54:04,319 --> 00:54:06,319
from assisting immigration enforcement

947
00:54:06,319 --> 00:54:08,960
except as Senate Bill 54 permits. It

948
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,000
also affirms Senate Bill 107 and AB

949
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,480
1242, the protections for gender

950
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,160
affirming care and reproductive health

951
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,720
care. Yet, Ventur's taxpayer funded

952
00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:21,200
flock system created searchable vehicle

953
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,520
data through 23 cameras. The city

954
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:24,960
acknowledges that a vendor- enabled

955
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,040
feature allowed two outofstate agencies

956
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,359
to query Ventur's system without

957
00:54:29,359 --> 00:54:31,359
authorization between March and

958
00:54:31,359 --> 00:54:33,839
September of 2025 and that it can't

959
00:54:33,839 --> 00:54:35,599
determine whether the vehicle data was

960
00:54:35,599 --> 00:54:38,160
returned. The record does not show that

961
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:39,839
those queries involved immigration or

962
00:54:39,839 --> 00:54:41,760
healthcare enforcement. But if Ventura

963
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:43,280
cannot determine whether data is

964
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,359
returned, it also cannot credibly

965
00:54:45,359 --> 00:54:47,040
guarantee that the care policy's

966
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,119
protections

967
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:52,319
occurred in this network. Council, we

968
00:54:52,319 --> 00:54:54,880
cannot outsource civil rights to a third

969
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,680
party vendor. Logistically, please be

970
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,760
aware the flock contract renews on

971
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,319
December 18th. It requires 30 days

972
00:55:02,319 --> 00:55:04,880
notice to cancel, which means a pathway

973
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,720
forward must be settled by November

974
00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:08,640
18th. and the choice to renew the

975
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,160
contract will become a care

976
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,720
accountability decision. Council members

977
00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:14,800
Campos and Schumacher, you carried the

978
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,800
care policy forward. Tonight, I ask you

979
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,640
to jointly place this contract on an

980
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:20,640
agenda long before that deadline, to

981
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,640
publish the audit and performance data,

982
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,559
to make a motion to refuse renewal of

983
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:26,559
the contract, to remove every flock

984
00:55:26,559 --> 00:55:28,319
camera in the city, and to enact a

985
00:55:28,319 --> 00:55:30,480
moratorum and an ordinance prohibiting

986
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,040
all AI enabled mass surveillance in the

987
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,680
future. Thank you,

988
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:37,599
>> Kristen Kesler, followed by Elizabeth

989
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:43,829
Egert.

990
00:55:43,839 --> 00:55:46,079
» Hi, good evening. Uh, first I'd like to

991
00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:47,680
thank Council Member Halter for your

992
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,920
eulogy on um Jackie. That was very

993
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:53,520
lovely. Um, I also want to say that I

994
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,960
support a moratorum on gas stations in

995
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,400
the um in the city and I agree with Miss

996
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,520
Arnell Brown that the the process on

997
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,440
being transparent with the Satcoy

998
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,000
development has has not been up to par.

999
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,589
Thank you,

1000
00:56:11,599 --> 00:56:16,549
» Elizabeth Eggert.

1001
00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:19,920
» Followed by Theres.

1002
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,760
Good afternoon. I am here to speak um to

1003
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,040
request that the situation with the

1004
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,960
flock cameras be put on a future agenda

1005
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,960
uh with this council. And that's the end

1006
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,119
of my comment. Thank you.

1007
00:56:37,119 --> 00:56:38,960
>> Next speaker is Theres followed by

1008
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:43,670
Adrian.

1009
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:45,680
» Hi city council people. This is I'm

1010
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,559
Teresa. I'm a longtime resident and I

1011
00:56:48,559 --> 00:56:51,760
take the bus to the mall a lot and

1012
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,640
there's so much crime going on at the

1013
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,440
mall bus stop. They like fights and

1014
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,240
drugs and drinking

1015
00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:03,680
and people doing messing messing around

1016
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,280
in the bathroom and there's so many

1017
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,559
homeless people there. We need like a

1018
00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:11,359
cop or security guard there like at all

1019
00:57:11,359 --> 00:57:15,119
times because if breaks out a lot and

1020
00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:17,760
the homeless people like live at the bus

1021
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:21,119
stop, we need someone to tell them

1022
00:57:21,119 --> 00:57:23,280
you're not taking a bus. Can you please

1023
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:29,920
leave? And they they even outside of the mall uh the 24-hour

1024
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,440
fitness and we need to get rid of them

1025
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,319
and find a place for them to go to

1026
00:57:36,319 --> 00:57:38,799
besides hang out the bus stop all day

1027
00:57:38,799 --> 00:57:41,680
making it making the bus stop look

1028
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,880
really bad and terrible for people going

1029
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,319
on the bus and off the bus.

1030
00:57:48,319 --> 00:57:51,280
We need we need tougher law for the

1031
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:54,480
because by time the cops come

1032
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,720
the everybody's gone. Everybody took off

1033
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,200
on the bus or they split. We need

1034
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,400
somebody to enforce the law though and

1035
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,440
people can feel safe going on the bus or

1036
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,160
waiting for the bus

1037
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:11,599
for the young and the old.

1038
00:58:11,599 --> 00:58:13,760
Thank you.

1039
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:15,599
>> Next speaker is Adrian followed by

1040
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:32,789
Sawyer Cameron.

1041
00:58:32,799 --> 00:58:35,680
No PowerPoint today. [snorts]

1042
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:37,440
I'm asking you to place three items on

1043
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,680
the next agenda. an ordinance against

1044
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,720
data centers, flock camera systems, and

1045
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:44,799
I also asked for an emergency moratorium

1046
00:58:44,799 --> 00:58:47,119
on gas stations and drive-throughs for

1047
00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:48,799
any project currently shown on the city

1048
00:58:48,799 --> 00:58:50,880
development map, no matter what stage in

1049
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,839
the approval process. Ultimately,

1050
00:58:53,839 --> 00:58:55,680
barring the hire of an expert

1051
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:57,119
consultant, there should be a minimum

1052
00:58:57,119 --> 00:58:59,839
setback of 500 ft from sensitive usage

1053
00:58:59,839 --> 00:59:01,760
of housing and schools for these

1054
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,000
projects and and all the new ones that

1055
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,559
come after. Many of you up there have

1056
00:59:06,559 --> 00:59:08,319
seen a PowerPoint regarding the proposed

1057
00:59:08,319 --> 00:59:10,640
Darling and Wells project in Satakoy

1058
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,200
called How to Hide a Gas Station. Its

1059
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:14,720
focus was on the set of drawings that

1060
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:16,960
accompanied the proposal, but I would

1061
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:18,960
say that the city is complicit in hiding

1062
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:22,000
it as well. As of 10:48 this morning

1063
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,319
when I took the screenshot, the city's

1064
00:59:24,319 --> 00:59:26,319
development map made no mention of a gas

1065
00:59:26,319 --> 00:59:28,480
station at this project. One might call

1066
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:30,799
this lack of public notice mere

1067
00:59:30,799 --> 00:59:33,040
incompetence, but perhaps danger to

1068
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,520
humans in but because of the danger to

1069
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,359
humans inherent in such uses, I would

1070
00:59:37,359 --> 00:59:38,960
like to call it something else,

1071
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:41,359
administrative malpractice.

1072
00:59:41,359 --> 00:59:44,400
At the very least, it exposes in 2026

1073
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,240
community development leadership

1074
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,880
stunning lack of curiosity as to whether

1075
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:50,400
gas stations and drive-throughs should

1076
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,400
continue to be held to the same low

1077
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,400
standards as storefrs like yoga shops

1078
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,200
and art galleries. If you do not pass a

1079
00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:59,920
moratorum that allowed this project and

1080
00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:01,680
you allow this project to somehow

1081
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:04,079
continue in its current form without an

1082
01:00:04,079 --> 01:00:05,839
expert opinion as to whether it's safe

1083
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or not for those living in the proposed

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01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:09,839
adjacent housing, I would be happy to

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01:00:09,839 --> 01:00:12,079
upgrade that terminology to something

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01:00:12,079 --> 01:00:14,000
more accurately describing the real

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01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,079
world consequences of deliberately

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01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:18,319
allowing exposure to carcinogens with no

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01:00:18,319 --> 01:00:20,400
minimum safety level. How about

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01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,480
administration administrative

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01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,559
manslaughter?

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Thank you.

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01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:28,559
>> Next speaker is Sawyer Cameron followed

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01:00:28,559 --> 01:00:33,589
by Wayne Morgan.

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01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:35,680
» Hi, my name is Sawyer Cameron, a local

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01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:37,359
student journalist. I'm here on the

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01:00:37,359 --> 01:00:39,440
matter of flock safety. This year alone,

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01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,760
Ventura has paid $71,000 for this

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01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,079
system. Since 2021, starting with a

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01:00:44,079 --> 01:00:46,640
trial camera for $25,000,

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01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,839
Ventura has paid $200,000 for these

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01:00:49,839 --> 01:00:52,240
cameras that we don't even own. These

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01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,160
are all leased cameras. And what did

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01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:57,119
that $200,000 buy? A system that broke

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01:00:57,119 --> 01:00:59,280
California law. Our state's license

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01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,559
plate data law bar sharing with

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01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:05,040
outofstate and federal agencies. Flock

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01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,520
allowed Flock allowed this to happen.

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01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,319
VPD found this out on February 23rd of

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01:01:10,319 --> 01:01:12,559
this year. Our county sheriff shut off

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01:01:12,559 --> 01:01:15,359
national sharing in 2023 and has still

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01:01:15,359 --> 01:01:18,160
got hit with 364,000

1113
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:21,359
queries every single month since. Thank

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01:01:21,359 --> 01:01:23,760
you,

1115
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:25,280
>> Wayne Morgan. Followed by our final

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01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:33,670
speaker, Becca Reynolds.

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01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:36,160
Hello, my name is Wayne Morgan. I

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01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:39,280
recently saw a poll uh done by uh Clean

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01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:42,720
Technica that asked registered voters uh

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01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:44,799
what their top priorities were in the

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01:01:44,799 --> 01:01:48,400
upcoming midterm elections. Uh the top

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01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:52,160
three were cost of living, the economy,

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01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:55,839
uh healthcare. Uh in other polls I saw

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01:01:55,839 --> 01:01:57,839
uh immigration was also high on the

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01:01:57,839 --> 01:02:00,960
list. The thing is climate change

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01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:04,240
affects the cost of living, the economy,

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01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:08,000
uh health and immigration.

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01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,880
Every day in the news, we see the

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01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:14,000
effects of climate change, flooding,

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01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,640
droughts, wildfires,

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01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:18,880
even groups of sharks roaming waters

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01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:23,359
that were very rare otherwise.

1133
01:02:23,359 --> 01:02:26,319
Uh take the farmers for instance. I

1134
01:02:26,319 --> 01:02:29,760
watched a few uh farm journals reports

1135
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,079
uh that aired on local TVs in like

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01:02:32,079 --> 01:02:33,680
Nebraska

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01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:35,280
and

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01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:37,119
their cattle are dying because of the

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01:02:37,119 --> 01:02:39,599
heat. They're losing hundreds of pounds

1140
01:02:39,599 --> 01:02:42,240
in weight. And because of the droughts

1141
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:45,280
and the floods, hay

1142
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,160
is the cost of hay is really high now.

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01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,960
And ranchers are having to cull their

1144
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:55,520
herds because the cost of hay and also

1145
01:02:55,520 --> 01:03:00,720
the uh the heat. So these are

1146
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,640
economic

1147
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:04,720
effects that we're seeing from climate

1148
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:07,440
change. And I'm telling you, it's not

1149
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:10,079
going to get any better. So, I would

1150
01:03:10,079 --> 01:03:12,160
like to see more planning at all levels

1151
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,640
of government to transition to a more

1152
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:17,440
sustainable future.

1153
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:20,240
Oh, and by the way, I saw another poll,

1154
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:22,640
couple of polls actually, uh, that

1155
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:25,119
stated that young voters rank climate

1156
01:03:25,119 --> 01:03:29,200
change either number one or number two.

1157
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,039
Thank you.

1158
01:03:31,039 --> 01:03:33,119
>> And our final speaker is Becca Reynolds.

1159
01:03:33,119 --> 01:03:34,400
Becca, you should be able to unmute

1160
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,480
yourself.

1161
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:37,839
Thank you. Can you hear me?

1162
01:03:37,839 --> 01:03:39,200
>> We can. Yes.

1163
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:40,799
>> Thank you so much. Good evening, Mayor,

1164
01:03:40,799 --> 01:03:42,720
Dr. Sanchez, Palasios, and council

1165
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:44,720
members. I'm here today to share an

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01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:46,319
exciting update regarding local

1167
01:03:46,319 --> 01:03:47,920
collaborative watershed management

1168
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,000
efforts. My name is Beck Reynolds. I was

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01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,079
born and raised in the city of Ventura.

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01:03:52,079 --> 01:03:53,760
I'm also the new regional programs

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01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:55,200
coordinator for the Ventura County

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01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,440
Resource Conservation District. In this

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01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:58,960
role, I serve as the watershed

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01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:00,400
coordinator for the Ventura River

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01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,720
Wershed Council. The watershed council

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01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:04,160
for those who are unfamiliar with it is

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01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:05,839
an open network that has brought

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01:04:05,839 --> 01:04:07,920
together agencies, water providers, land

1179
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,240
managers, community organizations,

1180
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,000
agricultural interests, and residents

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01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,559
since 2006. The council exists to

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01:04:14,559 --> 01:04:15,920
strengthen communication and

1183
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:17,839
collaboration among these diverse

1184
01:04:17,839 --> 01:04:20,000
partners so we can better address the

1185
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,319
complex cross-jurisdictional challenges

1186
01:04:22,319 --> 01:04:25,119
facing our wershed. For the last decade,

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01:04:25,119 --> 01:04:26,559
the council has been guided by an

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01:04:26,559 --> 01:04:28,640
outstanding watershed management plan,

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01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:30,799
which the council created in 2015 to

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01:04:30,799 --> 01:04:32,559
establish goals, objectives, and

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01:04:32,559 --> 01:04:34,720
priority actions. This history of

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01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:36,799
collaboration and coordinated management

1193
01:04:36,799 --> 01:04:38,400
helped position the Ventura River

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01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,559
wershed to become one of just five pilot

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01:04:40,559 --> 01:04:42,880
wersheds selected statewide for the

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01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:44,559
California Department of Water Resources

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01:04:44,559 --> 01:04:46,720
new wershed resilience program which

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01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:48,240
builds on local relationships and

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01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:49,920
collaborative regional planning while

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01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:51,920
placing greater emphasis on climate

1201
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,640
vulnerability adaptation wershed scale

1202
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:56,960
collaboration and equity and inclusion.

1203
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,680
Since 2024, the watershed council and

1204
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:01,359
our broader network of partners has

1205
01:05:01,359 --> 01:05:02,960
participated in creating this new

1206
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,039
watershed resilience plan. And I'm

1207
01:05:05,039 --> 01:05:06,960
pleased to share that the plan is now

1208
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:08,640
complete and has been approved by our

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01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:10,400
council. The plan can be found on

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01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,400
venturershed.org.

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01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,319
The wershed resilience plan complements

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01:05:14,319 --> 01:05:16,240
and strengthen stren excuse me

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01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:18,960
strengthens the 2015 wershed management

1214
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:20,720
plan by providing comprehensive

1215
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:22,400
watershed scale framework for

1216
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:23,920
understanding climate risks and

1217
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,000
identifying opportunities for action. It

1218
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:27,280
also provides an even stronger

1219
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:28,960
foundation for the council and its

1220
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:30,880
partners to pursue funding for projects

1221
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:32,400
that can provide multiple benefits

1222
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,480
across the wershed. Thank you to the

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01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,480
city and staff for your participation

1224
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:38,079
and I welcome everyone to engage with

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01:05:38,079 --> 01:05:40,160
our council.

1226
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:41,599
>> Thank you, mayor. That concludes public

1227
01:05:41,599 --> 01:05:42,480
comment.

1228
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:43,760
>> Thank you and thank you to all the

1229
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,160
speakers tonight. Um we'll go ahead and

1230
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,240
move on to actually before moving on,

1231
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,000
Mr. City Manager, do you have any

1232
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,079
comments in regards to public comments

1233
01:05:52,079 --> 01:05:52,400
today?

1234
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,480
>> Uh thanks thank you mayor. Just a a few

1235
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:56,240
comments on some of the items the

1236
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,079
speakers addressed. Uh there was a lot

1237
01:05:58,079 --> 01:06:00,640
of conversation about flock cameras. Um

1238
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:04,000
the city does employ that uh tool

1239
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:05,359
throughout the community as a public

1240
01:06:05,359 --> 01:06:07,839
safety measure. the police chief gave a

1241
01:06:07,839 --> 01:06:09,920
presentation to the council on March uh

1242
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:13,280
9th uh with a an update on law

1243
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,039
enforcement matters in the community and

1244
01:06:15,039 --> 01:06:16,559
there's a lot of conversation in that

1245
01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:20,160
presentation on flock safety on the data

1246
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,079
uh concerns that some of the speakers

1247
01:06:22,079 --> 01:06:24,160
mentioned was addressed by the chief

1248
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:26,640
then um that information is available in

1249
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:28,799
the video archive if some of the

1250
01:06:28,799 --> 01:06:30,640
speakers would like to listen to that

1251
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,599
again it was March 9th um 2026 should

1252
01:06:33,599 --> 01:06:35,520
the council desire to hear more

1253
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:37,599
information from the police department

1254
01:06:37,599 --> 01:06:39,680
on that matter. Um certainly a future

1255
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:42,400
agenda items um request will we'd be

1256
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,880
happy to come forward with another um

1257
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:46,000
presentation with additional

1258
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,319
information. Uh wanted to make a note

1259
01:06:48,319 --> 01:06:51,039
that the planning map online is updated.

1260
01:06:51,039 --> 01:06:53,280
Uh the Wells and Darling project does

1261
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:56,400
show a an eight pump gasoline station uh

1262
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,359
as part of the proposed plans. Uh and

1263
01:06:59,359 --> 01:07:02,160
then also the speaker who mentioned the

1264
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:03,920
crime concerns at the transportation

1265
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:07,520
center was addressed by Chief Dicki. So

1266
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:09,359
that concludes my comments. Thank you.

1267
01:07:09,359 --> 01:07:11,520
>> Thank you for that.

1268
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:13,280
Now we'll go ahead and move on to our

1269
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,680
consent items. There are nine consent

1270
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:17,760
items on tonight's agenda for

1271
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:21,039
consideration. Um before we proceed, I

1272
01:07:21,039 --> 01:07:23,520
know uh Deputy Mayor Halter, you wanted

1273
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:24,640
to say a few words?

1274
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:26,240
>> Great. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Uh yeah,

1275
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:27,920
I'd just like to speak on item number

1276
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:30,400
two on the consent calendar agenda, the

1277
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:31,599
second reading of the ordinance

1278
01:07:31,599 --> 01:07:33,520
pertaining to housing element project

1279
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:36,079
19. I'm going to recuse myself due to

1280
01:07:36,079 --> 01:07:37,520
conflict of interest. I own a

1281
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:39,920
residential rental property, a triplex

1282
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:42,720
with the address 1188 and 1190 Bavista

1283
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:45,200
Street and 137 North Hemlock Street, as

1284
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:47,680
well as a commercial property at 2235

1285
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:49,359
North Ventura Avenue. These properties

1286
01:07:49,359 --> 01:07:52,079
are located within or near the area

1287
01:07:52,079 --> 01:07:53,920
affected by the proposed ordinance.

1288
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:56,240
Since this is a consent calendar item

1289
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:59,200
that is not being pulled, uh I intend to

1290
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:02,880
remain uh on the dis as allowed by FPPC

1291
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:04,880
regulations, but I would ask that the

1292
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:06,799
city clerk note my recusal in the

1293
01:08:06,799 --> 01:08:09,359
minutes. Thank you.

1294
01:08:09,359 --> 01:08:12,000
>> Thank you for that. So, at this time, um

1295
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:15,039
if there are any items to be pulled or

1296
01:08:15,039 --> 01:08:17,120
no votes to be noted or there any

1297
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:19,040
questions? Council member Schumacher.

1298
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:21,199
>> Mayor, I have a comment on four.

1299
01:08:21,199 --> 01:08:24,239
>> Okay. Council member Mangon,

1300
01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:28,550
>> comments on three.

1301
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:30,640
» Anyone else?

1302
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,440
Okay. If not, um let's go ahead with

1303
01:08:33,440 --> 01:08:35,279
comments on three and then we'll go to

1304
01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:37,520
comments on four.

1305
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:39,839
>> Thank you, Madam Mayor. Uh I just wanted

1306
01:08:39,839 --> 01:08:42,400
to give kudos to this council, but more

1307
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:44,960
importantly to staff for creating and

1308
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:46,480
administering this program. It's in

1309
01:08:46,480 --> 01:08:48,719
consent. Most people don't read consent.

1310
01:08:48,719 --> 01:08:50,080
Um, but I think it's important to

1311
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:52,400
highlight some uh some of the uh

1312
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:54,640
specifics with this consent item. So, we

1313
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:56,640
had 229,000

1314
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:58,319
remaining in HUD funds that this council

1315
01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:00,640
approved for staff to create this rental

1316
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:02,319
assist emergency rental assistance

1317
01:09:02,319 --> 01:09:06,319
program. Um, there was 73 households,

1318
01:09:06,319 --> 01:09:08,880
190 individ individuals who were kept

1319
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:10,640
housed or received this rental

1320
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:15,279
assistance. 75% of those served are ex

1321
01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:17,279
are considered extremely lowincome

1322
01:09:17,279 --> 01:09:21,520
households. Um six or 68% of those

1323
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:23,520
served fall into the vulnerable C

1324
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:25,359
categories meaning they have chronic

1325
01:09:25,359 --> 01:09:27,279
illness, they're seniors, youth with

1326
01:09:27,279 --> 01:09:30,000
health risk uh or they are at most at

1327
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,400
risk of being homeless. Uh there was

1328
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:34,159
fraud fraud controls in place. This is

1329
01:09:34,159 --> 01:09:35,520
constantly an issue that people are

1330
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,000
concerned with public funds. Um there

1331
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,400
was 37 attempted f fraudulent

1332
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:42,159
applications that were caught before any

1333
01:09:42,159 --> 01:09:43,600
funds were distributed through this

1334
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:45,759
program. So kudos to staff for that as

1335
01:09:45,759 --> 01:09:50,239
well. And um but you know there's 301

1336
01:09:50,239 --> 01:09:52,080
increase to receive this emergency

1337
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,560
rental assistance program. We used all

1338
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:56,080
229,000

1339
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:58,640
and we were able to help only 73

1340
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:00,880
households which I think is a massive

1341
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:02,719
impact. But I I think it just goes to

1342
01:10:02,719 --> 01:10:06,800
show um really the concerns we have in

1343
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:08,800
this community with some people uh

1344
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:10,400
living paycheck to paycheck and maybe

1345
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:12,719
not even being able to pay their rent.

1346
01:10:12,719 --> 01:10:15,600
So again, thanks to staff for creating

1347
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:17,600
and uh administering this program.

1348
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:18,640
Thanks.

1349
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:20,640
>> Thank you for that. Um Council Member

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01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:22,480
Schumacher, item four.

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01:10:22,480 --> 01:10:24,320
>> Thank you, Mayor. Um I just wanted to

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01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:27,760
also uh thank the staff for this very uh

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01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:29,280
intentional

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01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:33,760
um uh uh effort. Ivor Davis, Mr. Ivor

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01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:37,040
Davis was uh as many of you all know was

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01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:40,080
named many knew him as an the unofficial

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01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,880
mayor of Ventura. I met him once um at a

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01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:47,679
at the um the museum and this man has

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01:10:47,679 --> 01:10:49,520
just lived an extraordinary life. So, I

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01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:51,440
just wanted to say thank you for really

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01:10:51,440 --> 01:10:53,600
considering and and and making sure that

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01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:57,199
we have this unnamed alley named after

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01:10:57,199 --> 01:10:59,840
Mr. Ivor Davis because that is such a a

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01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:02,000
way to honor him his contributions to

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01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,754
the city. So, I appreciate that.

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01:11:04,754 --> 01:11:05,040
[laughter]

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01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,679
>> Thank you for that. Um, seeing no other

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01:11:07,679 --> 01:11:09,679
questions, comments, or items being

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01:11:09,679 --> 01:11:11,440
pulled, we'll go ahead and take any

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01:11:11,440 --> 01:11:15,120
public comment on close um consent agend

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01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:16,960
agenda items.

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01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:19,679
>> Thank you, mayor. We have one speaker on

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01:11:19,679 --> 01:11:22,880
consent items, Philip Fields on items 3,

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01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:32,254
4, 8, and 9.

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01:11:32,264 --> 01:11:35,669
[clears throat]

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01:11:35,679 --> 01:11:39,760
It's a sadness to see that the

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chair diamond

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01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:45,760
of that department has decimated its own

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01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:48,320
staff.

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01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:50,640
We have lost an experienced worker,

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01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:53,440
housing worker, Leona,

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01:11:53,440 --> 01:11:57,679
and it's never ending the nightmare.

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The back stops with you, city manager.

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01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:06,320
You're going to have to answer for the

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01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:09,679
wrongs that Diamond is doing. the

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01:12:09,679 --> 01:12:12,880
community, the unhoused community,

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01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:16,000
families of low income that they're

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01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:19,120
desperate for resources

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01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:22,080
and diamond and your other assistance

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01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:24,800
have made sure that

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this is not trickling down to them.

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So I do not know if you live in the moon

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01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:34,880
or on planet earth but we would like to

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01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:38,960
see concrete corrective actions before

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01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:42,000
too little too late.

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01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:44,800
uh the the [snorts] need for more

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01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:46,400
resources

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01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:48,719
and the most important thing is for this

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01:12:48,719 --> 01:12:52,630
housing problems.

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A lawyer that helps these

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01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:01,669
unfortunate

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01:13:01,679 --> 01:13:03,360
people

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01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:06,080
to voice for their rights, their housing

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01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:09,280
rights that has never been provided by

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01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:11,120
our city.

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01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:13,360
We've come short.

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01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:16,239
We haven't taken action.

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01:13:16,239 --> 01:13:19,679
And this administration

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01:13:19,679 --> 01:13:22,239
has begun and it's about to end its

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01:13:22,239 --> 01:13:26,080
term. And I see no action.

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01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:29,360
When will you guys take action? You want

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01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,840
to gain our trust, but you got to show

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01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:35,280
us you're worthy of that trust. You got

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01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:38,480
to show us actions.

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01:13:38,480 --> 01:13:41,600
With actions there comes change. There

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01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:44,000
comes a hope for these lowincome

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01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:47,520
families, these unhoused families,

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01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:49,679
people that don't have the resources for

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01:13:49,679 --> 01:13:54,159
x or yz reasons of life

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01:13:54,159 --> 01:13:58,960
and uh if you don't act

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01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:02,400
as our mayor talks about housing run on

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01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:05,679
housing and has not delivered but

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01:14:05,679 --> 01:14:08,000
evictions.

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01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,320
She's only delivered evictions of

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01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:12,560
veterans,

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01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:14,800
gay people,

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01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:18,080
Latino people that they've come to this

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01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:21,360
city hall and she just brushed them

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01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:23,199
aside

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01:14:23,199 --> 01:14:26,960
by her one vote. It cost them their

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01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:28,719
housing

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01:14:28,719 --> 01:14:31,120
living conditions.

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01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:34,320
What can we tell to those children that

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01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:36,000
find themselves with their families

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01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:37,920
unhoused? Thank you.

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01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:39,760
>> What can you tell them?

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01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:41,520
>> That concludes public comment on consent

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items.

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01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:44,960
>> Okay. Thank you. Um so with that, we'll

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01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:47,440
go ahead and uh

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01:14:47,440 --> 01:14:49,840
take up consent items

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01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:50,719
if anybody wants to

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01:14:50,719 --> 01:14:52,400
>> move to approve consent calendar.

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01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:53,199
>> Second.

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01:14:53,199 --> 01:14:56,239
>> Thank you. So we'll go ahead and vote on

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01:14:56,239 --> 01:15:00,000
that um with Deputy Mayor Halter's

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01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:01,760
recusal on that on that item.

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01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:03,280
>> Okay. You can enter your vote now while

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01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:12,470
recording that recusal on item two.

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01:15:12,480 --> 01:15:15,120
All votes have been entered, seven eyes,

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01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:18,080
and the motion carries.

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01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:20,800
Thank you. We'll go ahead and move on to

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01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:24,000
our public hearing items. Item number 10

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01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:26,320
is the ordinance to amend municipal code

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01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:28,640
for Victoria Avenue corridor plan and

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01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:31,199
development code amendments, banking and

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01:15:31,199 --> 01:15:34,239
financial services drive-thru uses.

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01:15:34,239 --> 01:15:35,840
We'll go ahead and confirm all the

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01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:38,080
noticing requirements, Mr. City Clerk.

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01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:39,440
>> Thank you, Mayor. Yes, this item has

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01:15:39,440 --> 01:15:40,880
been adequately noticed.

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01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:42,800
>> Great. Thank you. I'll go ahead and open

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01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:45,120
the public hearing and then invite staff

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01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:49,990
to make their presentation.

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01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:52,080
» Good evening. Thank you, Mayor Council.

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01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:53,920
Um Rachel Diamond, community development

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01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:55,760
director. Um I have with me AJ

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01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:57,679
Burnernhard, senior planner, who is

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01:15:57,679 --> 01:16:00,080
going to make a presentation about um

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01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:02,640
our first of two items related to

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01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:04,719
amendments to the Victoria Avenue

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01:16:04,719 --> 01:16:08,149
Development Code.

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01:16:08,159 --> 01:16:10,159
» Good evening, council members. Uh the

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01:16:10,159 --> 01:16:11,679
first item before you is an amendment to

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01:16:11,679 --> 01:16:13,679
the Victoria Avenue development code and

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01:16:13,679 --> 01:16:15,600
is specifically tailored towards banking

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01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:17,360
and financial services and related

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01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:19,920
drive-thru uses.

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01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:21,360
I'll start with a quick project

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01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:24,719
description. This is a council initiated

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01:16:24,719 --> 01:16:27,520
zoning code amendment. It's specifically

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01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:29,679
targeted at banking and financial

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01:16:29,679 --> 01:16:32,159
services uses. And under the proposed

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01:16:32,159 --> 01:16:33,920
amendment, it would allow for the

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01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:36,159
occupancy of existing legally

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01:16:36,159 --> 01:16:38,640
established drive-through uses. It would

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01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:41,679
remove the use permit requirement

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01:16:41,679 --> 01:16:45,280
and it would ensure that uh banking and

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01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:47,360
financial services uses occupying

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01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:48,880
legally established drive-through uses

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01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:50,719
aren't required to comply with the

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01:16:50,719 --> 01:16:52,719
current drive-through regulations that

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01:16:52,719 --> 01:16:54,080
are in place within the development

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01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:55,840
code.

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01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:57,360
A bit of background and history on the

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01:16:57,360 --> 01:16:59,520
proposed amendments.

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01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:01,760
Drive-throughs were prohibited when the

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01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:04,400
corridor code was adopted in 2009 with

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01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:06,080
the intention to support a more walkable

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01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:09,120
and pedestrianoriented corridor. The

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01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:11,600
regulations were amended in 2021 to

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01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:13,280
allow drive-through uses in certain

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01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:15,600
areas subject to prescriptive

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01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:17,920
development standards.

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01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:19,679
However, since the adoption of the code

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01:17:19,679 --> 01:17:22,239
in 2020 in 2009 and the related

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01:17:22,239 --> 01:17:24,960
amendments in 2021, several

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01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:26,640
drive-through facilities have since been

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01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:29,199
vacated, and the current regulations

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01:17:29,199 --> 01:17:31,520
limit their reuse and/or require

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01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:33,280
additional permitting and site upgrades

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01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:35,920
for them to be usable once again. The

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01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:37,760
proposed amendment before you responds

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01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:40,400
to council discussion at the June 11,

1515
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:42,880
2026 economic development subcommittee

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01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:44,960
meeting and is supported by the city's

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01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:48,080
economic development division.

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01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:49,840
For some context, I've identified a

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01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:51,440
number of banking and financial services

1520
01:17:51,440 --> 01:17:53,040
uses with drive-through facilities that

1521
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:55,280
have vacated the corridor since the code

1522
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:58,400
was adopted in 2009. This includes City

1523
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:00,640
National Bank at 1220 South Victoria

1524
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,960
Avenue. A photo of that bank is on the

1525
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:04,880
right hand side of the screen. The site

1526
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:06,480
was recently acquired by American

1527
01:18:06,480 --> 01:18:08,320
Riviera Bank, who plans to open their

1528
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:11,199
first Ventura branch in the near future.

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01:18:11,199 --> 01:18:13,440
Second is Washington Mutual at 1860

1530
01:18:13,440 --> 01:18:15,520
South Victoria Avenue. This was

1531
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:18,719
repurposed as a cannabis dispensary.

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01:18:18,719 --> 01:18:21,360
Third is First Bank at 5808 Telephone

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01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:23,840
Road. The bank relocated to the Ventura

1534
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:25,600
Gateway Center down the street and the

1535
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:27,440
current space including the drivethru

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01:18:27,440 --> 01:18:30,400
facility sits vacant. The final one is

1537
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:33,040
the Union Bank at 789 South Victoria

1538
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:35,840
Avenue. Their space was split into two

1539
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:38,080
units, half of which was leased to

1540
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:40,320
Berkshire Hathaway and the remaining

1541
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:41,760
half, including the drive-through

1542
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:45,760
facility, still sits vacant today.

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01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:47,520
Staff reviewed the proposed amendment

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01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:49,840
and felt that the amendments before you

1545
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:51,840
support attraction and retention

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01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:53,440
specifically pertaining to banking and

1547
01:18:53,440 --> 01:18:56,400
financial services uses by facilitating

1548
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:58,080
the reuse of existing legally

1549
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:00,480
established drive-through facilities. It

1550
01:19:00,480 --> 01:19:02,159
also ensures that the existing

1551
01:19:02,159 --> 01:19:04,560
drive-through facility regulations re uh

1552
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:07,280
remain in place for all other uses. A

1553
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:09,040
site of the now vacant First Bank is on

1554
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:12,480
the screen to your right.

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01:19:12,480 --> 01:19:14,239
Staff took the proposed amendments to

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01:19:14,239 --> 01:19:16,719
the planning commission on July 22nd of

1557
01:19:16,719 --> 01:19:19,920
2026 and the commission voted 4 zero to

1558
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:22,159
recommend city council's adoption of the

1559
01:19:22,159 --> 01:19:24,320
proposed amendments. They found that the

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01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:26,560
amendments were clear, strategic, and

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01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:28,800
narrowly tailored and they supported

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01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:30,880
commercial investment and adaptive reuse

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01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:33,360
within the Victoria Avenue corridor.

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01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:34,960
Following that hearing, staff made one

1565
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:36,880
clerical change that did not impact the

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01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:41,030
planning commission's recommendation.

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01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:43,120
The recommendation supports the city

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01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:45,040
council's strategic priority of economic

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01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:48,000
vitality and development.

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01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:49,840
In conclusion, staff recommends that the

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01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:52,239
city council conducts a public hearing,

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01:19:52,239 --> 01:19:53,760
introduces and approves the first

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01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:56,239
reading of the ordinance, sets a second

1574
01:19:56,239 --> 01:19:57,920
reading and adoption of the ordinance at

1575
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:00,239
a forthcoming city council meeting, and

1576
01:20:00,239 --> 01:20:02,000
find that the ordinance is exempt from

1577
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:03,920
the California Environmental Quality Act

1578
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:06,400
pursuant to the Common Sense Exemption.

1579
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:07,840
With that, I'd be happy to answer any

1580
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:09,920
questions.

1581
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:12,000
Thank you,

1582
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:14,880
colleagues. Any questions at this time?

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01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:19,910
Um, Council Member Schumacher.

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01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,719
» Thank you, Mayor. Hold on one second.

1585
01:20:22,719 --> 01:20:24,480
Finishing my notes. Thank you, staff,

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01:20:24,480 --> 01:20:26,000
for your presentation. I just have a

1587
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:29,199
couple questions in regards to um Can

1588
01:20:29,199 --> 01:20:32,080
you go to slides three, please?

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01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:36,239
you had said that um there needed to or

1590
01:20:36,239 --> 01:20:39,199
uh drive-throughs were abandoned because

1591
01:20:39,199 --> 01:20:42,320
of certain additional permitting and

1592
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:43,840
upgrades. Can you describe those

1593
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:45,120
upgrades?

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01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:47,199
>> Yeah, I'm not saying that the facilities

1595
01:20:47,199 --> 01:20:48,480
were abandoned because of the

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01:20:48,480 --> 01:20:50,320
development standards being in place.

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01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:51,840
However, the development standards were

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01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:58,560
in place when existing facilities were along the corridor. However, since

1599
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:01,280
that code adopted, the four banks on the

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01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:03,840
following screen vacated the corridor

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01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:05,840
and now we're left with a position where

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01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:07,280
there's drive-through facilities that

1603
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:09,040
are more difficult to use because of the

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01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:10,960
development standards in place today.

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01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:12,960
>> So, what upgrades are we talking about?

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01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:14,719
Can you give me an example? Yeah,

1607
01:21:14,719 --> 01:21:16,800
there's specific requirements related to

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01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:19,840
queuing, stacking, uh drive-through, uh

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01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:22,159
length, uh so on and so forth,

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01:21:22,159 --> 01:21:23,920
oftentimes of which the current

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01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:25,120
drive-through facilities might not be

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01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:27,840
able to be or comply with those more

1613
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:29,679
prescriptive uh regulations that are in

1614
01:21:29,679 --> 01:21:30,320
place today.

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01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:33,679
>> Is there any any of those upgrades that

1616
01:21:33,679 --> 01:21:39,910
um inhibit any type of ADA regulations?

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01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:41,520
» I'm not aware of any off the top of my

1618
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:42,880
head.

1619
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:46,560
And then can you go to slide four?

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01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:48,640
You had said that the Washington Mutual

1621
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:50,719
turned into a cannabis shop.

1622
01:21:50,719 --> 01:21:51,520
>> Correct.

1623
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:54,560
>> Um so this wouldn't be included in the

1624
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:56,239
or this amendment wouldn't include them,

1625
01:21:56,239 --> 01:21:57,520
right?

1626
01:21:57,520 --> 01:21:58,800
>> That drive-through facility still

1627
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:01,199
remains. So theoretically, the cannabis

1628
01:22:01,199 --> 01:22:03,360
shop could vacate that space and if a

1629
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:05,679
bank decided to release that space and

1630
01:22:05,679 --> 01:22:07,280
that drive-through facility was still in

1631
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:09,040
place, then they could repurpose that

1632
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:09,920
facility for their use.

1633
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:11,280
>> Currently, it wouldn't because they're

1634
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:13,520
not a bank. Correct.

1635
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:15,199
>> This amendment allows for any

1636
01:22:15,199 --> 01:22:16,960
drive-through facility to be repurposed

1637
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:18,800
for a banking and financial services

1638
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:19,360
use.

1639
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:21,040
>> That's what I was.

1640
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:23,440
>> Okay. Thank you.

1641
01:22:23,440 --> 01:22:26,400
>> Thank you. Any other questions? If not,

1642
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:28,239
I'll go ahead and um take any public

1643
01:22:28,239 --> 01:22:31,120
comment at this time.

1644
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:32,480
>> Thank you, mayor. There's three speakers

1645
01:22:32,480 --> 01:22:34,560
on item 10. Our first speaker is

1646
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:36,800
Michelle Martinich, followed by Philip

1647
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:40,880
Fields and Stephanie Caldwell. Michelle

1648
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:43,199
and speakers will have three minutes.

1649
01:22:43,199 --> 01:22:46,320
>> Thank you.

1650
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:48,239
>> Hi, my name is Michelle Martinich. I'm

1651
01:22:48,239 --> 01:22:50,239
the chief financial officer at American

1652
01:22:50,239 --> 01:22:53,360
Riviera Bank. With us today also is Jeff

1653
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:56,400
Divine who is our president and CEO. I

1654
01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:58,400
first want to say thank you to AJ. He's

1655
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:00,159
done a lot of research on this. Thank

1656
01:23:00,159 --> 01:23:02,000
you to Doug for returning our phone

1657
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:03,920
call. And thank you to everybody else

1658
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:05,600
who's involved with this project who's

1659
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:07,199
looked at it because it is extremely

1660
01:23:07,199 --> 01:23:11,040
narrow. Um, so we appreciate that. Um,

1661
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:12,719
we are I don't know if you know American

1662
01:23:12,719 --> 01:23:14,480
Riviera Bank. We were formed 20 years

1663
01:23:14,480 --> 01:23:16,480
ago and we are based out of Santa

1664
01:23:16,480 --> 01:23:18,480
Barbara. We are still based out of Santa

1665
01:23:18,480 --> 01:23:20,880
Barbara. We have gone up to St. Louis

1666
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:23,520
Abyispo back in 2018. And so our

1667
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:26,080
farthest north branch is Pasa Robas and

1668
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:28,000
then we have eight branches. Uh,

1669
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:29,920
Pasiroas uh, working our way all the way

1670
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:32,080
to Monaceto. And we are really excited

1671
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:34,400
to come to Ventura. One of the things we

1672
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:35,920
believe in is being involved in our

1673
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:37,760
community. We have an employee who works

1674
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:39,440
in our Monaceto branch who is very

1675
01:23:39,440 --> 01:23:40,960
excited that we're opening a Ventura

1676
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:42,800
branch because it's much closer to her

1677
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:44,960
home. So, one of the things too, if

1678
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:47,040
you're not familiar, is when we develop

1679
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:48,960
our properties, they're unique to the

1680
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:50,800
communities. It is not at all like

1681
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:53,360
walking into a cookie cutter Chase or

1682
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:55,040
Bank of America. Every single one of our

1683
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:57,120
branches is unique and it's beautiful.

1684
01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:58,719
And believe it or not, people like to

1685
01:23:58,719 --> 01:24:01,760
come into the bank. So, um I know at

1686
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:03,280
planning they said nobody goes into a

1687
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:05,360
bank. um their dogs come in to get dog

1688
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:07,360
biscuits, them and their kids come in to

1689
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:09,520
get treats, and our employees know who

1690
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:11,440
you are. So, um it's really a hometown

1691
01:24:11,440 --> 01:24:14,159
feel. So, we're very excited to do that.

1692
01:24:14,159 --> 01:24:16,400
All that being said, the drive-thru is

1693
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:18,880
very important for ADA reasons. Um

1694
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:20,960
whether somebody has a permanent need or

1695
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:23,280
a temporary need, if it's a hot day like

1696
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:25,120
today and you just don't want to get out

1697
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:26,880
of your car, the drive-thru is a great

1698
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:28,800
option. If you have sleeping children in

1699
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:30,400
the backseat of your car, this

1700
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:32,639
drive-thru is a lifesaver. um if you're

1701
01:24:32,639 --> 01:24:34,719
temporarily unable to get around really

1702
01:24:34,719 --> 01:24:37,520
well or permanently, it is it is a

1703
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:40,639
lifesaver. So, our intention is to have

1704
01:24:40,639 --> 01:24:42,560
only use two lanes. There's three lanes

1705
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:44,560
there now. One would be a drive up open

1706
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:46,400
during business hours. Um it's going to

1707
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:48,639
serve more complicated transactions. The

1708
01:24:48,639 --> 01:24:50,560
other one is going to be used as a drive

1709
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:53,360
up ATM. This is a huge safety factor.

1710
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:55,679
It's Friday night. It's 7:00 at night.

1711
01:24:55,679 --> 01:24:57,600
Maybe it's 10:00 at night. I'm headed

1712
01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:59,840
out. I don't want to get out and stand

1713
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:01,199
in front of there. I don't want to be

1714
01:25:01,199 --> 01:25:03,360
doing my transaction where I'm exposed

1715
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:05,120
and it's unsafe. So having the

1716
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:07,440
opportunity to drive up and do my ATM

1717
01:25:07,440 --> 01:25:09,760
transaction in the safety of my car is

1718
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:11,840
extremely important. Um and we want to

1719
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:13,840
make sure we can do that too. So for us

1720
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:16,159
it's serving our customers, serving the

1721
01:25:16,159 --> 01:25:17,679
community of Ventura and keeping

1722
01:25:17,679 --> 01:25:19,920
everybody safe and keeping our banking

1723
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:23,120
accessible. So thank you again. Um we

1724
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:25,360
appreciate it. Thanks a lot.

1725
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:27,120
>> Next speaker is Philip Fields followed

1726
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:37,430
by Stephanie Caldwell.

1727
01:25:37,440 --> 01:25:44,149
Let's take Stephanie Caldwell.

1728
01:25:44,159 --> 01:25:46,320
» Good evening, council. Welcome back. Uh

1729
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:47,760
my name is Stephanie Caldwell. I'm the

1730
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:49,280
president CEO of the Ventura Chamber of

1731
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:51,280
Commerce and I am here in full support

1732
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:54,080
of this item. Um, American Riviera Bank

1733
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:56,080
approached the chamber months ago

1734
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:57,679
talking about the fact that they were

1735
01:25:57,679 --> 01:26:00,080
looking to expand in either Ventur in

1736
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:02,239
Ventur County. Uh, and at the time they

1737
01:26:02,239 --> 01:26:03,520
were looking at either Ventura or

1738
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:05,840
Oxnard. And I worked very closely with

1739
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:07,679
the economic development team to make

1740
01:26:07,679 --> 01:26:10,159
sure that they did not skip over Ventura

1741
01:26:10,159 --> 01:26:12,400
and go straight to Oxnard. So we are

1742
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:14,239
thrilled that their first foray into

1743
01:26:14,239 --> 01:26:17,199
Ventura County is right here in Ventura.

1744
01:26:17,199 --> 01:26:21,920
And it's it's this type of um policy

1745
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:24,239
that makes a lot of sense to look at

1746
01:26:24,239 --> 01:26:26,960
again uh because it is going to benefit

1747
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:29,280
economic development. And so I just am

1748
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:31,840
in full support of this and also just

1749
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:33,760
want to again thank American Riviera

1750
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:36,159
Bank for their investment in Ventura and

1751
01:26:36,159 --> 01:26:38,159
we're looking forward to a very very

1752
01:26:38,159 --> 01:26:40,880
long and um productive partnership with

1753
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:43,679
them here in Ventura. Thank you.

1754
01:26:43,679 --> 01:26:46,000
>> Okay. Uh final speaker, Philip Fields.

1755
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:49,430
Last chance.

1756
01:26:49,440 --> 01:26:50,880
All right. I don't see him. Mayor, that

1757
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:52,880
concludes public comment on item 10.

1758
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:55,440
>> Great. Thank you for that. Um I'll go

1759
01:26:55,440 --> 01:26:57,040
ahead and bring it back to council for

1760
01:26:57,040 --> 01:27:00,080
any um final questions before closing

1761
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:03,669
the public hearing.

1762
01:27:03,679 --> 01:27:05,280
Okay, seeing no questions or final

1763
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:06,560
comments, I'll go ahead and close the

1764
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:09,679
priv hearing. Um and I will need a

1765
01:27:09,679 --> 01:27:12,400
motion on this item.

1766
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:15,440
Council member Durant.

1767
01:27:15,440 --> 01:27:17,199
>> First of all, I want to say thank you to

1768
01:27:17,199 --> 01:27:18,719
staff. I want to say thank you for the

1769
01:27:18,719 --> 01:27:21,040
economic subcommittee. I want to say

1770
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:22,560
thank you to our economic development

1771
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:24,639
department, everybody involved for

1772
01:27:24,639 --> 01:27:25,920
putting this together. Thank you,

1773
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:28,000
Stephanie, for your involvement with

1774
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:31,440
that as well. Um, what this is what

1775
01:27:31,440 --> 01:27:33,679
we're talking about. Um, rethinking

1776
01:27:33,679 --> 01:27:36,080
things to make sure that we could get

1777
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:37,679
business so we can make sure we take

1778
01:27:37,679 --> 01:27:39,120
care of businesses. And I just really

1779
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:41,360
appreciate everybody's effort. So, I

1780
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:43,120
would move to uh approve staff's

1781
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:43,920
recommendation.

1782
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:46,080
>> I was like to second that.

1783
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:48,320
>> Thank you. I do see some names popping

1784
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:50,719
up. Um Council Member Mcynolds and then

1785
01:27:50,719 --> 01:27:52,159
C Deputy Mayor Halter.

1786
01:27:52,159 --> 01:27:54,000
>> Yeah, I I just wanted to thank Michelle

1787
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:56,560
for uh making the investment in Ventura.

1788
01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:58,320
So, thank you very much,

1789
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:00,719
>> Deputy Mayor Halter. I also just want to

1790
01:28:00,719 --> 01:28:03,040
one uh thank staff uh thank the chamber

1791
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:04,239
for being a part of this in the

1792
01:28:04,239 --> 01:28:06,320
community and knowing that this is about

1793
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:08,800
economic vitality and doing the things

1794
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:10,480
that really suit the needs of our

1795
01:28:10,480 --> 01:28:13,520
citizens today and the f future. Knowing

1796
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:15,280
that uh for people that have mobility

1797
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:16,960
issues or they're taking care of young

1798
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:20,159
kids or perhaps even um disabled, you

1799
01:28:20,159 --> 01:28:22,000
know, that it's a great alternative.

1800
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:24,560
It's not like we're parked in front of

1801
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:26,960
fast food or some other amenities where

1802
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:28,880
the cars line up. It's usually a pretty

1803
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:30,719
quick and convenient thing. I want to

1804
01:28:30,719 --> 01:28:32,719
thank American Riviera Bank for choosing

1805
01:28:32,719 --> 01:28:34,560
Ventura. You chose right. This is a city

1806
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:36,400
that's on the move and is really going

1807
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:38,560
to create a great future for all of us,

1808
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:40,080
especially the next generation. So,

1809
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:41,840
thanks for being a part of that and I

1810
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:44,800
hope that the motion passes and um I was

1811
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:46,320
very honored to be able to work with you

1812
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:48,080
and to make sure we got this to council

1813
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:51,669
as quickly as possible.

1814
01:28:51,679 --> 01:28:54,719
» Okay. Um seeing all those are the

1815
01:28:54,719 --> 01:28:57,040
comments. Um, there's a motion and a

1816
01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:59,120
second. We can go ahead and vote on the

1817
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:01,280
item, please.

1818
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:03,120
>> Okay. You can enter your vote now on

1819
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:06,159
item 10.

1820
01:29:06,159 --> 01:29:08,800
>> All votes have now been entered.

1821
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:11,199
10 eyes. Uh, excuse me, seven eyes. And

1822
01:29:11,199 --> 01:29:12,719
the motion carries.

1823
01:29:12,719 --> 01:29:14,686
>> Woo. Three new council members.

1824
01:29:14,686 --> 01:29:16,560
[laughter]

1825
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:18,639
>> Thank you.

1826
01:29:18,639 --> 01:29:20,560
We'll go ahead and move on to item

1827
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:23,440
number 11. Um, the ordinance to amend

1828
01:29:23,440 --> 01:29:25,040
municipal code for Victoria Avenue

1829
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:27,360
corridor plan and development code to

1830
01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:30,719
allow general retail uses up to 140,000

1831
01:29:30,719 --> 01:29:34,800
square ft as a permitted use in the T5.3

1832
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:37,440
zone. And at this time, I'll go ahead

1833
01:29:37,440 --> 01:29:39,679
and let staff do their presentation.

1834
01:29:39,679 --> 01:29:41,520
>> Thank you, mayor, deputy mayor, council

1835
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:43,360
members, u members of the community,

1836
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:45,199
those of you watching at home. U Rachel

1837
01:29:45,199 --> 01:29:46,960
Diamond, community development director.

1838
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:48,960
Um, once again, I'll turn it over to AJ

1839
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:50,560
Burnernhard, senior planner, who will

1840
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:51,920
talk about our second amendment to the

1841
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:54,000
Victoria Avenue development code. This

1842
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:55,760
time, um, specifically about retail

1843
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:56,400
uses.

1844
01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:58,572
>> And let me officially open the hearing.

1845
01:29:58,572 --> 01:29:59,520
[laughter]

1846
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:03,360
Now you can present. Thank you.

1847
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:05,520
>> I'll start with the project description.

1848
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:07,760
Again, this is a council initiated

1849
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:09,840
zoning code amendment. The amendment

1850
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:11,920
would uh specifically target the urban

1851
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:14,560
center zone or T5.3 zone in our Victoria

1852
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:16,080
Avenue corridor plan and development

1853
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:18,400
code. And the amendment would allow for

1854
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:21,600
general retail uses up to 140,000 square

1855
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:23,840
ft.

1856
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:25,280
A bit of background and history on the

1857
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:27,679
proposed amendment. Uh general retail

1858
01:30:27,679 --> 01:30:29,600
uses under our current code are limited

1859
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:33,040
or capped at 100,000 square feet. This

1860
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:35,280
is the only location specific retail

1861
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:37,840
size cap in the city today.

1862
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:40,159
The limit was established during a time

1863
01:30:40,159 --> 01:30:42,560
when the former Kmart Shopping Center at

1864
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:44,880
1739 South Victoria Avenue was being

1865
01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:47,040
redeveloped and the limit was

1866
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:48,800
incorporated in the original code

1867
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:51,360
adopted in 2009.

1868
01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:53,440
The amendment before you was initiated

1869
01:30:53,440 --> 01:30:55,840
by city council as a future city uh as a

1870
01:30:55,840 --> 01:30:58,960
future agenda item on April 28th of 2026

1871
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:01,760
and it passed with a 4-2 vote. While

1872
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:04,080
that original request was to remove the

1873
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:06,239
cap in its entirety, staff is

1874
01:31:06,239 --> 01:31:09,440
recommending a 140,000 foot cap to

1875
01:31:09,440 --> 01:31:11,760
balance the council's direction with the

1876
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:14,080
intent of the original retail size

1877
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:17,840
limitation established for the corridor.

1878
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:19,760
To give you some context, there are

1879
01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:22,800
three primary sites that have the T5.3

1880
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:24,719
zone boundary. This includes the

1881
01:31:24,719 --> 01:31:26,560
Victoria Avenue Center, which includes

1882
01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:28,880
the anchor tenants of Walmart and Trader

1883
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:31,520
Joe's, the Montalo Square Shopping

1884
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:32,880
Center, which includes the anchor

1885
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:35,520
tenants of Ralph's and LA Fitness, and

1886
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:37,280
the Island View Apartments, which are

1887
01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:38,880
just south of the Montalo Square

1888
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:41,760
Shopping Center.

1889
01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:43,520
For some additional context, we've

1890
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:45,760
identified a number of uh large large

1891
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:47,520
format retailers on the left side of the

1892
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:50,080
screen and the typical store sizes on

1893
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:51,920
the right side of the screen. I'll allow

1894
01:31:51,920 --> 01:32:03,669
you a moment to review the information.

1895
01:32:03,679 --> 01:32:05,600
Staff analyzed the proposed amendments

1896
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:09,040
and found that the uh amendments were uh

1897
01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:10,880
specifically tailored to general retail

1898
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:13,280
uses and prescriptive only to the T5.3

1899
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:15,520
zone. We felt that the amendments were

1900
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:17,040
consistent with the corridor plans

1901
01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:19,120
principles and policies, specifically

1902
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:20,800
those supporting economic development

1903
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:23,679
efforts. Relatedly, there's no changes

1904
01:32:23,679 --> 01:32:25,760
to the uh development standards which

1905
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:27,679
include requirements related to building

1906
01:32:27,679 --> 01:32:29,520
form or pedestrian oriented design

1907
01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:32,080
requirements and we felt that that

1908
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:34,560
140,000 foot cap maintained a limitation

1909
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:36,400
on some of the larger format retail

1910
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:39,830
stores.

1911
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:41,280
staff took the proposed amendments

1912
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:43,120
before the planning commission on July

1913
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:45,840
22nd and the planning commission voted

1914
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:48,080
3-1 to recommend rejection of the

1915
01:32:48,080 --> 01:32:50,560
proposed ordinance. Specifically, they

1916
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:52,080
found it was inconsistent with the

1917
01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:54,400
long-term vision for the Victoria Avenue

1918
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:56,639
corridor plan and the related emphasis

1919
01:32:56,639 --> 01:32:58,800
on mixeduse neighborhoods serving

1920
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:00,639
commercial and smaller format retail

1921
01:33:00,639 --> 01:33:03,679
uses. Second, they expressed a need for

1922
01:33:03,679 --> 01:33:06,000
additional public engagement and

1923
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:07,679
expressed some concerns about traffic

1924
01:33:07,679 --> 01:33:10,950
impacts.

1925
01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:12,480
Following that meeting, staff met with

1926
01:33:12,480 --> 01:33:14,560
our e economic development team who've

1927
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:17,360
provided the following considerations.

1928
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:19,360
First, Victoria Corridor residents spent

1929
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:22,639
an estimated $3.7 million at five Oxnard

1930
01:33:22,639 --> 01:33:25,440
superstores. These include two uh two

1931
01:33:25,440 --> 01:33:28,880
Oxnard Walmarts, Costco, Sam's Club, and

1932
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:32,000
Target. Relatedly, Victoria Corridor

1933
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:34,880
residents spend $13.4 million on grocery

1934
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:37,040
and general merchandise outside of

1935
01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:39,440
Ventura. These stats demonstrate an

1936
01:33:39,440 --> 01:33:41,440
opportunity to capture that spending

1937
01:33:41,440 --> 01:33:43,840
outside of the city into the city of

1938
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:45,440
Ventura.

1939
01:33:45,440 --> 01:33:47,360
Relatedly, there's a relatively low

1940
01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:49,360
vacancy rate along the Victoria corridor

1941
01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:51,040
when compared to the citywide vacancy

1942
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:53,760
rate and even countywide vacancy rate.

1943
01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:55,840
This demonstrates it's difficult to

1944
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:57,199
capture that market when there's

1945
01:33:57,199 --> 01:33:59,679
restrictions in place um related to

1946
01:33:59,679 --> 01:34:02,080
making retail expansion a bit more

1947
01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:03,920
difficult.

1948
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:06,560
Next, economic development staff

1949
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:08,800
estimates that there's an uh up to

1950
01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:11,760
$82,000 in anticipated new annual sales

1951
01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:14,080
tax revenue that could be generated from

1952
01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:17,520
a 20 to 40,000t retail store being added

1953
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:20,159
to the Victoria Avenue corridor.

1954
01:34:20,159 --> 01:34:22,159
In conclusion, there's more shopping

1955
01:34:22,159 --> 01:34:24,159
choices closer to home means that we can

1956
01:34:24,159 --> 01:34:26,000
keep money local and with more

1957
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:27,520
competition in the market, this can mean

1958
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:31,120
better prices for the residents.

1959
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:32,960
Staff also met with our public works

1960
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:35,040
transportation division. We confirmed

1961
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:37,040
that there was no recent quarter-wide

1962
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:39,600
traffic analysis and that traffic

1963
01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:41,920
analyses would continue to be evaluated

1964
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:46,239
on a projectby project basis.

1965
01:34:46,239 --> 01:34:47,840
The recommendations in the report

1966
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:49,679
support city council strategic priority

1967
01:34:49,679 --> 01:34:53,760
of economic vitality and development.

1968
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:55,600
And it's in conclusion it's staff's

1969
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:56,960
recommendation that the city council

1970
01:34:56,960 --> 01:34:59,120
conduct a public hearing, introduce and

1971
01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:00,480
approve the first reading of our

1972
01:35:00,480 --> 01:35:02,560
ordinance, set the second reading and

1973
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:04,000
adoption of the ordinance at a future

1974
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:06,000
city council meeting, and find that the

1975
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:08,000
proposed ordinance is exempt from SQA

1976
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:10,159
pursuant to the common sense exemption.

1977
01:35:10,159 --> 01:35:11,520
With that, I'd be happy to answer any

1978
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:13,120
questions.

1979
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:16,159
>> Thank you for that presentation. Um, any

1980
01:35:16,159 --> 01:35:17,520
comments from my colleagues? Council

1981
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:19,360
member Compost. Um,

1982
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:23,440
>> I had a question on slide six.

1983
01:35:23,440 --> 01:35:25,840
Bullet point three

1984
01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:28,480
says no changes to development standards

1985
01:35:28,480 --> 01:35:30,639
building form.

1986
01:35:30,639 --> 01:35:35,110
It's on

1987
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:37,600
no changes to development standards

1988
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:40,400
building form or pedestrianoriented

1989
01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:42,880
design requirements.

1990
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:44,159
What does that mean about

1991
01:35:44,159 --> 01:35:47,280
pedestrianoriented design requirements?

1992
01:35:47,280 --> 01:35:48,800
Yeah, within the Victoria Avenue

1993
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:51,440
corridor code, it breaks down the zoning

1994
01:35:51,440 --> 01:35:53,199
designations into three transct

1995
01:35:53,199 --> 01:35:55,440
districts. And those transct districts

1996
01:35:55,440 --> 01:35:57,520
have very prescriptive requirements as

1997
01:35:57,520 --> 01:35:59,280
to how the buildings are designed,

1998
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:02,480
placed on the site, parked, so on and so

1999
01:36:02,480 --> 01:36:04,320
forth. The proposed amendments before

2000
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:06,480
you don't change any of those uh

2001
01:36:06,480 --> 01:36:08,639
requirements. Rather, they only change

2002
01:36:08,639 --> 01:36:11,360
the use table where we would allow for a

2003
01:36:11,360 --> 01:36:14,239
larger format retail store. So when

2004
01:36:14,239 --> 01:36:17,760
that's when that store goes in, are is

2005
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:20,159
the parking lot going to be corrected so

2006
01:36:20,159 --> 01:36:22,480
it's more pedestrian friendly?

2007
01:36:22,480 --> 01:36:24,639
>> That would be part of staff's analysis.

2008
01:36:24,639 --> 01:36:28,639
>> Okay. Thank you,

2009
01:36:28,639 --> 01:36:30,159
>> Deputy Mayor Halter.

2010
01:36:30,159 --> 01:36:31,280
>> Great. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Thank

2011
01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:33,280
you, staff, for the presentation. Um

2012
01:36:33,280 --> 01:36:36,159
just um uh I know uh this whole issue

2013
01:36:36,159 --> 01:36:38,400
for me is all about leakage out of our

2014
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:40,080
city and what sales where people are

2015
01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:43,600
driving to and uh the uh revenue stream

2016
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:46,400
that's not present and the inconvenience

2017
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:48,639
that people uh go through just to go to

2018
01:36:48,639 --> 01:36:50,239
where they want to go and shop. So look

2019
01:36:50,239 --> 01:36:52,800
at that. But then uh this this chart's

2020
01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:55,119
intriguing. Uh I didn't realize once it

2021
01:36:55,119 --> 01:36:56,960
gets over about 100,000 square feet. I

2022
01:36:56,960 --> 01:36:58,560
didn't realize which stores what the

2023
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:02,000
average store size was. So, I'm curious.

2024
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:03,920
A lot of the stores that you immediately

2025
01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:05,760
think of that would want to be in

2026
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:09,840
Ventura that um this might apply to uh

2027
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:11,600
are actually larger than what we're

2028
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:13,440
recommending tonight. So, is there a

2029
01:37:13,440 --> 01:37:15,199
certain type of store that we're

2030
01:37:15,199 --> 01:37:18,080
thinking is it more of a a grocery store

2031
01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:20,639
type thing that would fit the 140,000

2032
01:37:20,639 --> 01:37:29,669
versus say 160,000?

2033
01:37:29,679 --> 01:37:32,639
Thanks for the question. I mean there um

2034
01:37:32,639 --> 01:37:35,280
the reality is that looking at the

2035
01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:38,080
existing spaces that are there today,

2036
01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:40,800
140,000 would accommodate expansion of

2037
01:37:40,800 --> 01:37:43,520
some of our existing uses into adjacent

2038
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:48,560
um spaces, but it wouldn't allow for um

2039
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:50,320
you know the creation of a new building

2040
01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:53,280
over 140,000 which kind of tends to roll

2041
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:56,159
into like the mega big box size spaces.

2042
01:37:56,159 --> 01:37:59,280
So this still while a much larger size

2043
01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:02,320
for retail use still keeps us in a the

2044
01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:04,639
smaller version of a big box retail.

2045
01:38:04,639 --> 01:38:06,239
>> And one final question, thank you for

2046
01:38:06,239 --> 01:38:07,760
that. And that's kind of what I I was

2047
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:11,440
thinking uh where we're going is um but

2048
01:38:11,440 --> 01:38:14,159
for instance like at Costco um I'm not

2049
01:38:14,159 --> 01:38:15,679
really a shopper but the few times I go

2050
01:38:15,679 --> 01:38:18,320
there I see a lot of people I know and

2051
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:20,159
um so I'm curious do we have any idea

2052
01:38:20,159 --> 01:38:22,639
what the statistics are the number how

2053
01:38:22,639 --> 01:38:24,800
much of the sales in Oxnard are actually

2054
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:27,920
to Ventura residents.

2055
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:29,679
>> We can try to get that number from you.

2056
01:38:29,679 --> 01:38:31,440
We have our member uh representative

2057
01:38:31,440 --> 01:38:32,800
with economic development in the back

2058
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:34,639
and I can ping her and see if uh we can

2059
01:38:34,639 --> 01:38:35,040
get

2060
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:36,159
>> they know by chance. I think that's

2061
01:38:36,159 --> 01:38:37,520
available, but I can't remember what

2062
01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:38,159
that number was.

2063
01:38:38,159 --> 01:38:39,520
>> Yeah, we'll try to get it for you. Okay.

2064
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:41,600
Thank you.

2065
01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:44,080
>> Thank you, Council Member Mcrenolds.

2066
01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:45,600
>> Thank you, Madam Mayor. Uh, just one

2067
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:48,239
question. The Kmart closed in January of

2068
01:38:48,239 --> 01:38:52,400
2008. Uh, in that 19 almost 19 years,

2069
01:38:52,400 --> 01:38:56,000
have we had anybody uh apply to tenant

2070
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:59,119
the that vacant space?

2071
01:38:59,119 --> 01:39:01,280
>> Space is currently occupied by Walmart.

2072
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:02,960
in order to comply with the cap. I think

2073
01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:05,360
their stores just under 100,000 square

2074
01:39:05,360 --> 01:39:08,000
feet. Um there is a portion I think it's

2075
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:10,159
in the 20 to 30,000 foot range that's

2076
01:39:10,159 --> 01:39:12,080
remained vacant since uh Walmart's

2077
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:13,520
occupancy of that space.

2078
01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:15,679
>> So that 30,000 ft in the last 19 years

2079
01:39:15,679 --> 01:39:19,280
have we had anybody apply to take that

2080
01:39:19,280 --> 01:39:22,239
30,000

2081
01:39:22,239 --> 01:39:23,760
>> relying on my past experience. I was

2082
01:39:23,760 --> 01:39:25,119
actually a retail broker for quite some

2083
01:39:25,119 --> 01:39:26,480
time. my understanding that there was

2084
01:39:26,480 --> 01:39:28,480
some potential deals on the table, but

2085
01:39:28,480 --> 01:39:30,800
due to the challenges with retail

2086
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:32,480
leasing, the related restrictions that

2087
01:39:32,480 --> 01:39:34,159
come with signing a tenant like Walmart

2088
01:39:34,159 --> 01:39:37,600
to the space, uh, and and other other

2089
01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:39,199
challenges related to permitting, no

2090
01:39:39,199 --> 01:39:40,719
deals ever come to fruition.

2091
01:39:40,719 --> 01:39:42,480
>> So, it's just been vacant for 19 years.

2092
01:39:42,480 --> 01:39:42,880
>> Correct.

2093
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:45,199
>> Thank you.

2094
01:39:45,199 --> 01:39:48,080
Seeing no other comments from

2095
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:50,080
my colleagues, I'll go ahead and um

2096
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:51,920
invite any public comment if we have any

2097
01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:53,280
on this item.

2098
01:39:53,280 --> 01:39:54,560
>> Thank you, mayor. We have three speakers

2099
01:39:54,560 --> 01:39:56,320
on this item. Our first uh speaker is

2100
01:39:56,320 --> 01:39:57,840
Kristen Kesler, followed by Philip

2101
01:39:57,840 --> 01:40:06,629
Fields and Stephanie Caldwell.

2102
01:40:06,639 --> 01:40:09,280
» Hi, good evening. Um, this happens to be

2103
01:40:09,280 --> 01:40:12,159
my neighborhood. I live right behind the

2104
01:40:12,159 --> 01:40:15,679
Montal Square Shopping Center um near

2105
01:40:15,679 --> 01:40:18,480
the Island View Apartments. Um, this

2106
01:40:18,480 --> 01:40:21,119
does not make sense to me for a variety

2107
01:40:21,119 --> 01:40:24,960
of reasons. one. Um, thank goodness that

2108
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:27,119
the ordinance would not permit a Costco

2109
01:40:27,119 --> 01:40:31,040
there. Um, but what would go there? Um,

2110
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:37,360
I what could go there? A Home Depot. Is that really that necessary? Another

2111
01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:40,719
Target. We We have two already. A

2112
01:40:40,719 --> 01:40:44,159
Lowe's. We already have one um in

2113
01:40:44,159 --> 01:40:47,520
Ventura by the mall. Um, the other

2114
01:40:47,520 --> 01:40:50,080
concern I have is traffic. that

2115
01:40:50,080 --> 01:40:52,639
intersection right now is really gnarly.

2116
01:40:52,639 --> 01:40:56,159
Um if you try to cross Victoria,

2117
01:40:56,159 --> 01:41:00,480
um it can be uh dangerous. So, uh I'm

2118
01:41:00,480 --> 01:41:02,960
not comfortable with potentially even

2119
01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:05,440
more traffic at this intersection. I

2120
01:41:05,440 --> 01:41:08,239
feel like we cannot always make things

2121
01:41:08,239 --> 01:41:10,239
more pedestrian friendly. I realize that

2122
01:41:10,239 --> 01:41:12,719
doesn't work in every case, but I feel

2123
01:41:12,719 --> 01:41:15,440
like if if this were to pass, we would

2124
01:41:15,440 --> 01:41:17,679
really be going um in the opposite

2125
01:41:17,679 --> 01:41:20,320
direction. And so I um I would urge you

2126
01:41:20,320 --> 01:41:23,440
not to um vote to change this. Thank

2127
01:41:23,440 --> 01:41:24,880
you.

2128
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:28,560
>> Next speaker is Philip Fields,

2129
01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:38,950
>> followed by Stephanie Caldwell.

2130
01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:42,560
My concerns are similar to the previous

2131
01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:45,910
speaker.

2132
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:50,800
Indeed, one of the problems is safety

2133
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:52,960
and traffic.

2134
01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:57,040
When it's uh the grid, heavy traffic,

2135
01:41:57,040 --> 01:42:00,880
then it's very dangerous for a class of

2136
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:03,840
disabled, for example,

2137
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:08,880
and uh for mothers with baby carriages,

2138
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:10,159
etc.

2139
01:42:10,159 --> 01:42:15,119
And uh I would urge you excitedly to listen

2140
01:42:15,119 --> 01:42:18,400
to the previous speaker. She's very

2141
01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:23,920
clear about it. Um I support that and

2142
01:42:23,920 --> 01:42:28,159
you can make a difference as a council

2143
01:42:28,159 --> 01:42:30,719
in order to make that a reality and

2144
01:42:30,719 --> 01:42:32,480
listening

2145
01:42:32,480 --> 01:42:35,840
to a real person. That's letting you

2146
01:42:35,840 --> 01:42:39,199
know what the real problem is.

2147
01:42:39,199 --> 01:42:43,920
And please do not just

2148
01:42:43,920 --> 01:42:48,880
hear a sound and then forget the sound.

2149
01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:51,679
Her place are very clear

2150
01:42:51,679 --> 01:42:55,199
and that's reflective of most of the

2151
01:42:55,199 --> 01:42:59,760
community. Uh please do that when you

2152
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:02,880
decide to cast your vote

2153
01:43:02,880 --> 01:43:06,000
because at this time your vote is what

2154
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:08,719
you're going to be known for. Not your

2155
01:43:08,719 --> 01:43:12,320
flowery words, your vote.

2156
01:43:12,320 --> 01:43:14,480
And if you cast against most of the

2157
01:43:14,480 --> 01:43:16,239
community,

2158
01:43:16,239 --> 01:43:18,080
you can be sure you're not going to come

2159
01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:20,320
back to the council.

2160
01:43:20,320 --> 01:43:24,320
But if you listen to the plea of the

2161
01:43:24,320 --> 01:43:27,040
most of the community

2162
01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:30,719
uh we love you to come back.

2163
01:43:30,719 --> 01:43:35,920
So it is you who decides that

2164
01:43:35,920 --> 01:43:40,000
and then uh the the Victoria one uh

2165
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:44,800
indeed it's very difficult

2166
01:43:44,800 --> 01:43:47,440
uh

2167
01:43:47,440 --> 01:43:52,159
for whatever reason for good or for bad

2168
01:43:52,159 --> 01:43:54,719
the increase of traffic

2169
01:43:54,719 --> 01:43:58,719
it's reflective on our health

2170
01:43:58,719 --> 01:44:01,040
has consequence on our health, our

2171
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:02,960
lifestyle,

2172
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:06,239
our lives and that of the vulnerable

2173
01:44:06,239 --> 01:44:10,639
children too. And it is you who must

2174
01:44:10,639 --> 01:44:13,119
have that wisdom,

2175
01:44:13,119 --> 01:44:16,800
not me. Because I'm not casting a vote.

2176
01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:19,920
It is you, each one of you with your

2177
01:44:19,920 --> 01:44:21,679
vote who's going to make a difference in

2178
01:44:21,679 --> 01:44:23,600
the lives of those children, in the

2179
01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:25,920
lives of those mothers,

2180
01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:29,679
in the level of stress of the community

2181
01:44:29,679 --> 01:44:31,520
because it's the community who's coming

2182
01:44:31,520 --> 01:44:34,000
to you at this

2183
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:37,840
critical time to ask you a solution, to

2184
01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:40,159
ask you to be wise when you cast that

2185
01:44:40,159 --> 01:44:40,639
vote.

2186
01:44:40,639 --> 01:44:43,040
>> Thank you. And our next speaker is

2187
01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:47,510
Stephanie Caldwell.

2188
01:44:47,520 --> 01:44:49,600
Good evening again. Speaking of the

2189
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:51,440
mothers and children, imagine if the

2190
01:44:51,440 --> 01:44:53,199
mothers and children of the Montalvo

2191
01:44:53,199 --> 01:44:55,360
area and the rest of Ventura didn't have

2192
01:44:55,360 --> 01:44:57,440
to drive into Oxnard to do the type of

2193
01:44:57,440 --> 01:44:58,960
shopping that they could do right on the

2194
01:44:58,960 --> 01:45:01,520
Victoria corridor. When we talk about

2195
01:45:01,520 --> 01:45:03,520
economic development, this is exactly

2196
01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:05,679
the type of policy once again that we're

2197
01:45:05,679 --> 01:45:08,159
talking about. making it possible for

2198
01:45:08,159 --> 01:45:10,480
business to consider Ventura and to grow

2199
01:45:10,480 --> 01:45:13,280
in Ventura and expand in Ventura rather

2200
01:45:13,280 --> 01:45:15,119
than having to leave Ventura and go to

2201
01:45:15,119 --> 01:45:18,480
another city.

2202
01:45:18,480 --> 01:45:20,560
A few short weeks ago, you all took a

2203
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:23,520
vote not to put an additional sales tax

2204
01:45:23,520 --> 01:45:25,920
on the ballot. We, the chamber,

2205
01:45:25,920 --> 01:45:28,080
supported that vote significantly

2206
01:45:28,080 --> 01:45:29,840
because we believe that we need to grow

2207
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:32,400
our revenues naturally and this is how

2208
01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:35,119
you do that. You saw the presentation up

2209
01:45:35,119 --> 01:45:37,119
to $82,000

2210
01:45:37,119 --> 01:45:39,040
I believe in additional potential sales

2211
01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:42,480
tax revenue for one of these locations.

2212
01:45:42,480 --> 01:45:44,880
I would actually dovetail on what coun

2213
01:45:44,880 --> 01:45:47,920
uh deputy mayor Halter said. Why have

2214
01:45:47,920 --> 01:45:50,719
the cap at all? We don't know what we

2215
01:45:50,719 --> 01:45:52,800
don't know. And when someone comes into

2216
01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:55,119
the city of Ventura, having the least

2217
01:45:55,119 --> 01:45:57,520
amount of barriers possible for them to

2218
01:45:57,520 --> 01:46:01,119
be able to consider our city is the best

2219
01:46:01,119 --> 01:46:03,760
option for them. Once the barriers are

2220
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:05,280
already there and there's another

2221
01:46:05,280 --> 01:46:06,880
community that doesn't have that same

2222
01:46:06,880 --> 01:46:08,719
barrier, they are skipping right over

2223
01:46:08,719 --> 01:46:10,639
us. We call that getting fired before we

2224
01:46:10,639 --> 01:46:16,000
get hired. So doing things that make us

2225
01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:18,960
attractive for these businesses. Let's

2226
01:46:18,960 --> 01:46:21,600
just say this is the Walmart shopping

2227
01:46:21,600 --> 01:46:24,239
center. Yes, traffic is bad right now,

2228
01:46:24,239 --> 01:46:26,400
but part of this could be traffic

2229
01:46:26,400 --> 01:46:28,560
improvements. Part of this could be

2230
01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:31,119
reimagining that flow in that parking

2231
01:46:31,119 --> 01:46:34,080
lot. And again, you know, when costs are

2232
01:46:34,080 --> 01:46:37,040
going up, gas is at an all-time high,

2233
01:46:37,040 --> 01:46:38,960
groceries never came down the way they

2234
01:46:38,960 --> 01:46:40,080
were promised to with this

2235
01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:42,239
administration, everyone's looking to

2236
01:46:42,239 --> 01:46:44,320
stretch their dollar a little farther.

2237
01:46:44,320 --> 01:46:46,800
Giving our Ventur residents that option

2238
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:48,560
so they don't have to get on the freeway

2239
01:46:48,560 --> 01:46:51,600
and go somewhere else. Please, I support

2240
01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:53,600
this. I urge you to support it as well.

2241
01:46:53,600 --> 01:46:54,800
Thank you.

2242
01:46:54,800 --> 01:46:56,080
>> Thank you, mayor. That concludes public

2243
01:46:56,080 --> 01:46:57,760
comment on item 11.

2244
01:46:57,760 --> 01:46:59,360
>> Thank you. So, I'll go ahead and um

2245
01:46:59,360 --> 01:47:01,679
bring it back to council for any final

2246
01:47:01,679 --> 01:47:02,159
questions.

2247
01:47:02,159 --> 01:47:03,840
>> Uh mayor, apologies. One more speaker

2248
01:47:03,840 --> 01:47:05,840
card was submitted, Casey Rodriguez.

2249
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:10,870
>> Okay.

2250
01:47:10,880 --> 01:47:13,199
» I just wanted to add my voice along with

2251
01:47:13,199 --> 01:47:15,119
my neighbor who actually live in

2252
01:47:15,119 --> 01:47:18,719
district 6. I would oppose this

2253
01:47:18,719 --> 01:47:21,280
u making any changes except for the fact

2254
01:47:21,280 --> 01:47:24,400
if we were to allow Walmart to become a

2255
01:47:24,400 --> 01:47:28,639
super Walmart. Thank you.

2256
01:47:28,639 --> 01:47:30,159
That conclude con concludes public

2257
01:47:30,159 --> 01:47:32,239
comment on item 11.

2258
01:47:32,239 --> 01:47:34,880
>> Thank you.

2259
01:47:34,880 --> 01:47:36,560
I'll go ahead and bring it back to

2260
01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:38,880
council for final questions before

2261
01:47:38,880 --> 01:47:41,360
closing the public hearing.

2262
01:47:41,360 --> 01:47:43,280
Uh Council Member Mcrenolds followed by

2263
01:47:43,280 --> 01:47:44,800
Council Member Compos.

2264
01:47:44,800 --> 01:47:46,639
>> Uh thank you, Madame Mayor. Uh so I had

2265
01:47:46,639 --> 01:47:48,080
a question regarding the the traffic

2266
01:47:48,080 --> 01:47:50,719
comments that were brought up. So, if

2267
01:47:50,719 --> 01:47:53,840
the proposal is to expand, uh, are they

2268
01:47:53,840 --> 01:47:55,360
required to make, uh, improvements

2269
01:47:55,360 --> 01:47:58,320
regarding traffic or I guess that's an

2270
01:47:58,320 --> 01:48:00,400
is that an analysis that the community

2271
01:48:00,400 --> 01:48:04,080
development staff would then require.

2272
01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:06,560
>> They're just uh expanding into the

2273
01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:08,560
vacant space. It would be like leasing a

2274
01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:10,080
space. The use would be permitted by,

2275
01:48:10,080 --> 01:48:11,760
right? There would be no additional

2276
01:48:11,760 --> 01:48:13,440
traffic analysis. The shopping center

2277
01:48:13,440 --> 01:48:14,960
already supports that largest format

2278
01:48:14,960 --> 01:48:18,159
store. um and they would be able to

2279
01:48:18,159 --> 01:48:19,119
occupy the space.

2280
01:48:19,119 --> 01:48:24,709
>> Thank you.

2281
01:48:24,719 --> 01:48:26,080
» There. Yeah, [laughter]

2282
01:48:26,080 --> 01:48:28,639
there we go. Uh Council Member Compost

2283
01:48:28,639 --> 01:48:31,040
followed by Council Member Duran.

2284
01:48:31,040 --> 01:48:33,360
>> Yes. I would like to know if there can

2285
01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:38,320
be a a stipulation or a requirement on I

2286
01:48:38,320 --> 01:48:40,400
don't know if it would go to the new

2287
01:48:40,400 --> 01:48:42,719
business or to the property owner or if

2288
01:48:42,719 --> 01:48:45,760
it's the city's responsibility,

2289
01:48:45,760 --> 01:48:48,239
but that parking lot is not ADA

2290
01:48:48,239 --> 01:48:50,719
friendly. There aren't sidewalks from

2291
01:48:50,719 --> 01:48:53,600
the stores out to the street or across

2292
01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:56,719
the parking lot. So, if I go there and

2293
01:48:56,719 --> 01:48:59,600
come off the bus and into Walmart, when

2294
01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:01,920
I leave Walmart and try to return and

2295
01:49:01,920 --> 01:49:04,560
cross the street back to the bus, I have

2296
01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:07,040
cars coming at me from all directions

2297
01:49:07,040 --> 01:49:08,800
because I'm in a wheelchair with no

2298
01:49:08,800 --> 01:49:11,600
sidewalks. Same for women with young

2299
01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:14,239
children. So, I think there needs to be

2300
01:49:14,239 --> 01:49:15,760
some

2301
01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:20,000
something that we can do to require

2302
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:21,840
ADA upgrades in those kind of

2303
01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:24,639
situations.

2304
01:49:24,639 --> 01:49:27,760
Is that possible?

2305
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:29,360
>> It's certainly something we can look at.

2306
01:49:29,360 --> 01:49:31,040
We'd have to look at I mean obviously

2307
01:49:31,040 --> 01:49:32,719
there's a number of different scenarios

2308
01:49:32,719 --> 01:49:35,280
if um a business is just expanding into

2309
01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:38,159
their neighboring uh the neighboring um

2310
01:49:38,159 --> 01:49:41,520
space there and let's say not doing very

2311
01:49:41,520 --> 01:49:44,560
much except punching a door. Um there's

2312
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:48,080
limited triggers for um ADA upgrades.

2313
01:49:48,080 --> 01:49:50,480
There are some um and as they start to

2314
01:49:50,480 --> 01:49:52,480
do more and more it starts triggering

2315
01:49:52,480 --> 01:49:54,320
more improvements. So, if you're

2316
01:49:54,320 --> 01:49:55,920
building a new building, for example,

2317
01:49:55,920 --> 01:49:57,520
that's kind of the opposite end of that

2318
01:49:57,520 --> 01:50:00,000
spectrum, you're going to end up with

2319
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:02,480
complete ADA compliance, right? If you

2320
01:50:02,480 --> 01:50:06,080
start re- um paving the parking lot, for

2321
01:50:06,080 --> 01:50:08,800
example, you're going to need to have

2322
01:50:08,800 --> 01:50:10,960
ADA parking spaces in the correct

2323
01:50:10,960 --> 01:50:12,639
locations and that sort of thing. So, it

2324
01:50:12,639 --> 01:50:16,639
really just depends. Um, I' I'd have to

2325
01:50:16,639 --> 01:50:18,800
defer to our city attorney on ways that

2326
01:50:18,800 --> 01:50:20,800
we could further trigger ADA

2327
01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:23,199
requirements beyond what ADA itself

2328
01:50:23,199 --> 01:50:24,639
requires and what the California

2329
01:50:24,639 --> 01:50:26,880
Building Code requires

2330
01:50:26,880 --> 01:50:29,920
um, and how we could potentially wrap

2331
01:50:29,920 --> 01:50:32,320
that in. So, I don't

2332
01:50:32,320 --> 01:50:34,639
have an exact answer for you for how we

2333
01:50:34,639 --> 01:50:36,320
could facilitate that. It sounds like

2334
01:50:36,320 --> 01:50:40,880
you're most interested in sidewalks to

2335
01:50:40,880 --> 01:50:44,000
the right of way and ADA access in that

2336
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:47,119
way for pedestrians. Is that accurate?

2337
01:50:47,119 --> 01:50:50,960
>> Yes. Pedestrian access in total, but the

2338
01:50:50,960 --> 01:50:54,320
ADA could be used, but I know I've seen

2339
01:50:54,320 --> 01:50:56,639
women walking three kids in the parking

2340
01:50:56,639 --> 01:51:00,320
lot and cars come dangerously close to a

2341
01:51:00,320 --> 01:51:02,800
child. We have to think about who's

2342
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:05,760
responsible there and

2343
01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:09,679
what we can do to make it safer.

2344
01:51:09,679 --> 01:51:12,159
>> Yeah, it's an interesting question just

2345
01:51:12,159 --> 01:51:13,920
thinking about obviously there's kind of

2346
01:51:13,920 --> 01:51:16,320
the sidewalk access to the street is one

2347
01:51:16,320 --> 01:51:19,119
piece, but once you're in a parking lot

2348
01:51:19,119 --> 01:51:20,480
um and you know I think we've all

2349
01:51:20,480 --> 01:51:22,080
experienced this where you park your car

2350
01:51:22,080 --> 01:51:25,280
kind of in the the sea of parking spaces

2351
01:51:25,280 --> 01:51:27,600
um and you're just walking in the travel

2352
01:51:27,600 --> 01:51:31,920
aisle to actually get to um to the front

2353
01:51:31,920 --> 01:51:34,400
door. Um that's not an atypical

2354
01:51:34,400 --> 01:51:36,080
situation where people are having to

2355
01:51:36,080 --> 01:51:39,440
travel kind of mid um mid drive aisle

2356
01:51:39,440 --> 01:51:41,599
because we don't have um actual

2357
01:51:41,599 --> 01:51:43,679
pedestrian access from every parking

2358
01:51:43,679 --> 01:51:46,880
space to um the front door of a building

2359
01:51:46,880 --> 01:51:49,679
or any accessible space. So that one is

2360
01:51:49,679 --> 01:51:51,920
a little bit more challenging. Um and

2361
01:51:51,920 --> 01:51:53,280
we've seen that with a lot of projects

2362
01:51:53,280 --> 01:51:55,119
where we've tried to help people kind of

2363
01:51:55,119 --> 01:51:57,280
move pedestrians to the front door

2364
01:51:57,280 --> 01:51:59,920
through a sea of parking. Um, so that

2365
01:51:59,920 --> 01:52:01,920
one is kind of a much larger discussion

2366
01:52:01,920 --> 01:52:03,920
about our parking lot standards and

2367
01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:05,920
having, you know, close proximity to

2368
01:52:05,920 --> 01:52:07,520
access. That's not something that we

2369
01:52:07,520 --> 01:52:11,040
have in place today. Um, and goes a

2370
01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:14,960
little bit beyond ADA, actually. Um, so

2371
01:52:14,960 --> 01:52:16,719
I'm I'm sorry to think out loud here. I

2372
01:52:16,719 --> 01:52:18,239
just want to try to help figure out how

2373
01:52:18,239 --> 01:52:20,960
we can get there. I don't know if the um

2374
01:52:20,960 --> 01:52:22,800
city attorney has thoughts on kind of

2375
01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:25,119
further triggers to ADA requirements or

2376
01:52:25,119 --> 01:52:26,800
if there's the ability to do that or

2377
01:52:26,800 --> 01:52:28,960
not.

2378
01:52:28,960 --> 01:52:30,880
and Council Member Compos, I think on a

2379
01:52:30,880 --> 01:52:33,440
project by project basis, I mean, we can

2380
01:52:33,440 --> 01:52:35,040
work with staff and I think what's in

2381
01:52:35,040 --> 01:52:36,639
front of you is just expanding the

2382
01:52:36,639 --> 01:52:39,360
zoning, but I think the the idea of what

2383
01:52:39,360 --> 01:52:40,960
we can do from an ADA standpoint is

2384
01:52:40,960 --> 01:52:42,080
something we can definitely work with

2385
01:52:42,080 --> 01:52:44,560
staff um as things come up or

2386
01:52:44,560 --> 01:52:46,560
anticipating as applications come up.

2387
01:52:46,560 --> 01:52:49,840
This is not this is just a zone change,

2388
01:52:49,840 --> 01:52:52,400
just adding um square footage. So, this

2389
01:52:52,400 --> 01:52:55,440
isn't property specific, but it is uh as

2390
01:52:55,440 --> 01:52:56,800
things do come up, we can certainly work

2391
01:52:56,800 --> 01:52:58,880
with staff.

2392
01:52:58,880 --> 01:53:00,960
>> And I I think it would behoove us to

2393
01:53:00,960 --> 01:53:04,560
look at safety issues

2394
01:53:04,560 --> 01:53:06,560
in all of our parking lots like that,

2395
01:53:06,560 --> 01:53:09,440
all the commercial parking lots that

2396
01:53:09,440 --> 01:53:11,840
don't have sidewalks between the rows of

2397
01:53:11,840 --> 01:53:15,679
cars to get to and from the store create

2398
01:53:15,679 --> 01:53:17,440
a big safety issue. And it's something

2399
01:53:17,440 --> 01:53:19,440
along the way we could look at. I

2400
01:53:19,440 --> 01:53:21,119
appreciate your thinking out loud on

2401
01:53:21,119 --> 01:53:22,000
that. Thank you.

2402
01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:23,599
>> Yeah. And I think, you know, one of the

2403
01:53:23,599 --> 01:53:26,000
this is absolutely and not to punt this

2404
01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:27,920
to later, but this is absolutely

2405
01:53:27,920 --> 01:53:29,360
something that we can look in much

2406
01:53:29,360 --> 01:53:31,360
greater detail in as we work on an

2407
01:53:31,360 --> 01:53:33,040
update to our municipal code,

2408
01:53:33,040 --> 01:53:34,880
specifically the zoning ordinance as a

2409
01:53:34,880 --> 01:53:37,920
followup to the general plan adoption.

2410
01:53:37,920 --> 01:53:39,840
Um, so looking at ways to improve

2411
01:53:39,840 --> 01:53:42,080
safety, access are all things that we

2412
01:53:42,080 --> 01:53:43,599
can take a look at and try to

2413
01:53:43,599 --> 01:53:45,679
incorporate into that new set of

2414
01:53:45,679 --> 01:53:47,760
regulations. That being said, that's a

2415
01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:49,679
few years away from completion.

2416
01:53:49,679 --> 01:53:51,679
>> Thank you.

2417
01:53:51,679 --> 01:53:53,280
Council Member Duran,

2418
01:53:53,280 --> 01:53:54,880
followed by Deputy Mayor Halter.

2419
01:53:54,880 --> 01:53:56,639
>> Thank you, Madam Mayor. Uh, just a quick

2420
01:53:56,639 --> 01:53:58,719
question to be clear. Um, are there any

2421
01:53:58,719 --> 01:54:00,480
other areas in the entire city that has

2422
01:54:00,480 --> 01:54:03,760
a cap for retail?

2423
01:54:03,760 --> 01:54:04,639
>> No.

2424
01:54:04,639 --> 01:54:06,719
>> So, this is the only area in all of the

2425
01:54:06,719 --> 01:54:09,520
city and I'm guessing that we went for

2426
01:54:09,520 --> 01:54:13,119
140. Um, so we added the the 40,000

2427
01:54:13,119 --> 01:54:14,639
because of the size of the building

2428
01:54:14,639 --> 01:54:15,920
that's there.

2429
01:54:15,920 --> 01:54:19,760
>> Correct. Okay. Thank you,

2430
01:54:19,760 --> 01:54:21,360
>> Deputy Mayor Halter, followed by Council

2431
01:54:21,360 --> 01:54:22,960
Member Mangon.

2432
01:54:22,960 --> 01:54:24,880
>> Um, I believe that this is true. It may

2433
01:54:24,880 --> 01:54:27,840
be validated or not. Is uh I know as

2434
01:54:27,840 --> 01:54:30,400
long as we're looking at reuse of an

2435
01:54:30,400 --> 01:54:32,719
existing building and you're not doing

2436
01:54:32,719 --> 01:54:35,599
improvements other than some basic TDIs,

2437
01:54:35,599 --> 01:54:36,800
is [snorts] there much teeth that we

2438
01:54:36,800 --> 01:54:38,560
have as a city to encourage the type of

2439
01:54:38,560 --> 01:54:39,760
improvements that we've been hearing

2440
01:54:39,760 --> 01:54:42,639
about that we all know we need?

2441
01:54:42,639 --> 01:54:45,679
I think in our project reviews, it's the

2442
01:54:45,679 --> 01:54:47,199
scope of the project kind of triggers

2443
01:54:47,199 --> 01:54:49,440
the level of upgrades that we apply to

2444
01:54:49,440 --> 01:54:51,520
the improvements. So, if you're starting

2445
01:54:51,520 --> 01:54:53,520
to touch the parking lot and we kind of

2446
01:54:53,520 --> 01:54:55,760
bring in the ADA triggers and look at

2447
01:54:55,760 --> 01:54:57,440
the park parking lot and its totality.

2448
01:54:57,440 --> 01:54:58,719
If you're touching the landscaping, we

2449
01:54:58,719 --> 01:55:01,040
kind of reopen the landscape pallet. Um,

2450
01:55:01,040 --> 01:55:02,880
anytime we have the the opportunity to

2451
01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:04,960
do a design review or kind of look at

2452
01:55:04,960 --> 01:55:06,960
the shopping center holistically, it

2453
01:55:06,960 --> 01:55:08,639
provides an opportunity to refresh and

2454
01:55:08,639 --> 01:55:10,880
apply those standards. In my opinion,

2455
01:55:10,880 --> 01:55:12,800
this ordinance really allows for

2456
01:55:12,800 --> 01:55:14,320
investment in the corridor that could

2457
01:55:14,320 --> 01:55:17,520
trigger those timing mechanisms to to

2458
01:55:17,520 --> 01:55:19,040
facilitate future upgrades of the

2459
01:55:19,040 --> 01:55:21,040
center. Whereas under the current

2460
01:55:21,040 --> 01:55:22,639
standards, it's been vacant for 19 years

2461
01:55:22,639 --> 01:55:24,719
and we haven't seen those um those

2462
01:55:24,719 --> 01:55:26,960
improvements made. Knowing how costly it

2463
01:55:26,960 --> 01:55:28,960
is to open up a business, not mention a

2464
01:55:28,960 --> 01:55:31,360
retail outlet of some type, the most

2465
01:55:31,360 --> 01:55:33,280
cost effective thing that somebody can

2466
01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:36,000
do to open up is nothing. Basically,

2467
01:55:36,000 --> 01:55:38,080
rent the space and put something in it.

2468
01:55:38,080 --> 01:55:39,840
Is that not correct?

2469
01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:41,679
because then nothing gets triggered. You

2470
01:55:41,679 --> 01:55:42,800
don't touch the landscape. You don't

2471
01:55:42,800 --> 01:55:44,239
touch the parking lot. You use an

2472
01:55:44,239 --> 01:55:46,880
existing building. It doesn't get us any

2473
01:55:46,880 --> 01:55:48,159
further ahead. I'm not recommending

2474
01:55:48,159 --> 01:55:50,560
that. But that's what my experience has

2475
01:55:50,560 --> 01:55:53,520
been. You know, a lot of the retail

2476
01:55:53,520 --> 01:55:55,760
redevelopment that we see citywide,

2477
01:55:55,760 --> 01:55:58,880
right, are based upon retailers trying

2478
01:55:58,880 --> 01:56:00,960
to maximize their profits. And in order

2479
01:56:00,960 --> 01:56:03,040
to do so, it requires shifts to the way

2480
01:56:03,040 --> 01:56:04,560
that the store is oriented, the way the

2481
01:56:04,560 --> 01:56:05,840
parking lot's oriented, how they

2482
01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:08,080
maximize the outdoor sales area, so on

2483
01:56:08,080 --> 01:56:09,520
and so forth. So, change in retail

2484
01:56:09,520 --> 01:56:12,400
market conditions theoretically should

2485
01:56:12,400 --> 01:56:16,000
trigger upgrades sitewide um in order to

2486
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:18,320
monetize and maximize profits long term.

2487
01:56:18,320 --> 01:56:20,880
>> I would agree. Um vacancy rate, do we

2488
01:56:20,880 --> 01:56:22,159
have an idea? I think you mentioned it.

2489
01:56:22,159 --> 01:56:24,320
The vacancy rate on Victoria, I

2490
01:56:24,320 --> 01:56:26,000
>> think it was 3.6%.

2491
01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:28,320
>> Okay. And that's by square footage

2492
01:56:28,320 --> 01:56:30,719
calculated by square footage or by

2493
01:56:30,719 --> 01:56:34,880
>> uh I don't have the I don't have the the details.

2494
01:56:34,880 --> 01:56:39,440
>> Okay. Um, and regardless of what size

2495
01:56:39,440 --> 01:56:41,280
somebody wants to turn a building into

2496
01:56:41,280 --> 01:56:44,159
or parcel into, the review that would go

2497
01:56:44,159 --> 01:56:47,280
on would be inclusive of number of

2498
01:56:47,280 --> 01:56:49,599
parking spaces versus num amount of

2499
01:56:49,599 --> 01:56:51,679
square foot of retail space available if

2500
01:56:51,679 --> 01:56:52,960
I remember right. Correct.

2501
01:56:52,960 --> 01:56:55,040
>> Correct. Okay. So, there's going to be a

2502
01:56:55,040 --> 01:56:56,960
natural limit when we take those and

2503
01:56:56,960 --> 01:56:58,800
drop it into AI or whatever we want to

2504
01:56:58,800 --> 01:57:00,960
do and calculate. There's going to be a

2505
01:57:00,960 --> 01:57:03,199
natural maximum of what you can do. This

2506
01:57:03,199 --> 01:57:06,639
isn't the same as uh building density

2507
01:57:06,639 --> 01:57:08,880
issues that we have with housing. This

2508
01:57:08,880 --> 01:57:10,639
is there's no such thing when it comes

2509
01:57:10,639 --> 01:57:13,830
to commercial

2510
01:57:13,840 --> 01:57:15,360
where we have to do what the state says

2511
01:57:15,360 --> 01:57:16,800
we have to do.

2512
01:57:16,800 --> 01:57:18,560
>> Yeah. The the state housing law

2513
01:57:18,560 --> 01:57:20,320
obviously supersedes a lot of our zoning

2514
01:57:20,320 --> 01:57:22,400
ordinances in unique ways. Those state

2515
01:57:22,400 --> 01:57:25,119
laws don't have similar provisions to my

2516
01:57:25,119 --> 01:57:27,280
knowledge for commercial or industrial

2517
01:57:27,280 --> 01:57:29,360
redevelopment. So it's a true analysis

2518
01:57:29,360 --> 01:57:31,280
of what the impact is in the number of

2519
01:57:31,280 --> 01:57:33,199
parking spaces versus the square footage

2520
01:57:33,199 --> 01:57:35,760
of building and you would come out

2521
01:57:35,760 --> 01:57:38,080
naturally with a mathematical solution

2522
01:57:38,080 --> 01:57:40,239
that is the maximum you could do on any

2523
01:57:40,239 --> 01:57:41,280
parcel

2524
01:57:41,280 --> 01:57:42,800
>> without taking it through a warrant

2525
01:57:42,800 --> 01:57:44,800
exception or variance approach. Yeah.

2526
01:57:44,800 --> 01:57:46,480
>> You and to do that you would have to

2527
01:57:46,480 --> 01:57:47,760
make sure you have it supported the

2528
01:57:47,760 --> 01:57:53,119
public because the public can object to warrants and conditions.

2529
01:57:53,119 --> 01:57:54,480
>> Correct. Dan, you open it up to city

2530
01:57:54,480 --> 01:57:56,159
review where we may trigger uh

2531
01:57:56,159 --> 01:57:57,599
additional improvements in order to

2532
01:57:57,599 --> 01:58:00,080
offset the impacts of the the proposed

2533
01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:01,040
variance request.

2534
01:58:01,040 --> 01:58:02,000
>> Okay. [clears throat] Thank you.

2535
01:58:02,000 --> 01:58:03,920
>> I do have a response to your question

2536
01:58:03,920 --> 01:58:05,760
about the Oxnard Costco.

2537
01:58:05,760 --> 01:58:06,239
>> Yeah. Yeah.

2538
01:58:06,239 --> 01:58:10,239
>> Uh it looks like there was um 1,900

2539
01:58:10,239 --> 01:58:12,880
Victoria area residents that equated to

2540
01:58:12,880 --> 01:58:17,599
13,100 visits and $1.873 million in

2541
01:58:17,599 --> 01:58:20,159
spending.

2542
01:58:20,159 --> 01:58:23,199
>> Great. Thank you for that.

2543
01:58:23,199 --> 01:58:24,960
Thank you, Council Member Mangon,

2544
01:58:24,960 --> 01:58:26,400
followed by Council Member Mcrenolds.

2545
01:58:26,400 --> 01:58:27,280
>> Thank you, Madam Mayor. Couple

2546
01:58:27,280 --> 01:58:28,800
questions. So, the limit was established

2547
01:58:28,800 --> 01:58:30,719
during the redevelopment of the former

2548
01:58:30,719 --> 01:58:34,560
Kmart site. Do you know why?

2549
01:58:34,560 --> 01:58:36,560
>> Yeah. Well, Walmart was going in there

2550
01:58:36,560 --> 01:58:38,080
and wanted to do a larger store.

2551
01:58:38,080 --> 01:58:39,599
>> Okay. It was a pretty contentious issue

2552
01:58:39,599 --> 01:58:41,440
at the time, I recall. So, it's probably

2553
01:58:41,440 --> 01:58:43,280
like a concession. Maybe we're going to

2554
01:58:43,280 --> 01:58:45,040
add we're going to let Walmart move in,

2555
01:58:45,040 --> 01:58:47,040
but we're going to add a limitation was

2556
01:58:47,040 --> 01:58:50,880
probably what happened. Um the T5.3 that

2557
01:58:50,880 --> 01:58:52,800
essentially covers three parcels in the

2558
01:58:52,800 --> 01:58:55,199
corridor. Correct.

2559
01:58:55,199 --> 01:58:57,280
>> Three main sites that are

2560
01:58:57,280 --> 01:58:58,880
>> three main sites. Sorry I said parcels

2561
01:58:58,880 --> 01:58:59,199
but

2562
01:58:59,199 --> 01:59:00,560
>> yeah it's multiple parcels multiple

2563
01:59:00,560 --> 01:59:02,560
ownership interests multiple APMs but

2564
01:59:02,560 --> 01:59:04,159
three sites for the lay person's

2565
01:59:04,159 --> 01:59:04,960
understanding.

2566
01:59:04,960 --> 01:59:07,440
>> And the Walmart building is the only one

2567
01:59:07,440 --> 01:59:09,360
on any of those three sites with the

2568
01:59:09,360 --> 01:59:10,800
current capacity to expand beyond

2569
01:59:10,800 --> 01:59:15,990
100,000 square feet or are there others?

2570
01:59:16,000 --> 01:59:17,840
Yeah. I mean the only alternative to

2571
01:59:17,840 --> 01:59:20,639
that would be um redevelopment of sites

2572
01:59:20,639 --> 01:59:22,800
>> without redevelopment expansion within

2573
01:59:22,800 --> 01:59:25,360
the current uh you know footprint.

2574
01:59:25,360 --> 01:59:27,840
>> Yeah. This is the only example of the

2575
01:59:27,840 --> 01:59:29,280
ability to move within a current

2576
01:59:29,280 --> 01:59:32,080
footprint. Everything else is um has

2577
01:59:32,080 --> 01:59:32,880
tenants. Yeah.

2578
01:59:32,880 --> 01:59:34,639
>> Sure.

2579
01:59:34,639 --> 01:59:37,280
>> Thank you, Council Member Mcrenolds.

2580
01:59:37,280 --> 01:59:38,960
>> Thank you, Madam Mayor. Uh I have a

2581
01:59:38,960 --> 01:59:41,920
question for Mr. Eberling. So, uh, so

2582
01:59:41,920 --> 01:59:43,760
I'm going to let He didn't even know he

2583
01:59:43,760 --> 01:59:47,830
was going to get called.

2584
01:59:47,840 --> 01:59:49,520
And

2585
01:59:49,520 --> 01:59:51,840
so, uh, my question is going back to

2586
01:59:51,840 --> 01:59:55,599
slide eight regarding the sales tax. Uh,

2587
01:59:55,599 --> 01:59:57,679
so the staff is providing a range of

2588
01:59:57,679 --> 02:00:01,840
35,000 to 88 8200 $82,000

2589
02:00:01,840 --> 02:00:03,760
of potential new sales tax revenue. If I

2590
02:00:03,760 --> 02:00:05,520
split the difference, let's call it

2591
02:00:05,520 --> 02:00:07,760
$60,000. How many potholes do I get

2592
02:00:07,760 --> 02:00:11,830
filled?

2593
02:00:11,840 --> 02:00:13,599
Uh Charlie Ebling, public works

2594
02:00:13,599 --> 02:00:15,280
director. Thank you for the question.

2595
02:00:15,280 --> 02:00:18,159
Council member Mcrenolds, for that

2596
02:00:18,159 --> 02:00:22,719
dollar amount, I would say we get about

2597
02:00:22,719 --> 02:00:27,760
2500 to 3,000, maybe 3,500 part u

2598
02:00:27,760 --> 02:00:29,440
potholes filled.

2599
02:00:29,440 --> 02:00:30,239
>> Thank you very much.

2600
02:00:30,239 --> 02:00:32,880
>> Yep.

2601
02:00:32,880 --> 02:00:35,868
>> You took my question. I'm kidding.

2602
02:00:35,868 --> 02:00:36,639
[laughter]

2603
02:00:36,639 --> 02:00:40,400
Great question. Um I had just a

2604
02:00:40,400 --> 02:00:41,840
wanted to make I guess a point of

2605
02:00:41,840 --> 02:00:45,360
clarification too. So um having heard

2606
02:00:45,360 --> 02:00:48,880
the concerns of some of the speakers um

2607
02:00:48,880 --> 02:00:52,000
this isn't automatically saying that

2608
02:00:52,000 --> 02:00:54,000
there will be an expansion. It's merely

2609
02:00:54,000 --> 02:00:57,840
giving us an option that it could expand

2610
02:00:57,840 --> 02:00:59,760
and this is these are the projects that

2611
02:00:59,760 --> 02:01:04,080
maybe could happen. Right.

2612
02:01:04,080 --> 02:01:05,199
>> That's correct.

2613
02:01:05,199 --> 02:01:07,040
>> Okay. Just want to make sure because

2614
02:01:07,040 --> 02:01:08,320
we're not approving anything right now.

2615
02:01:08,320 --> 02:01:10,400
We're just saying we want an extra tool

2616
02:01:10,400 --> 02:01:12,159
in the box.

2617
02:01:12,159 --> 02:01:15,360
Um, okay. Any other questions from

2618
02:01:15,360 --> 02:01:16,960
colleagues?

2619
02:01:16,960 --> 02:01:19,840
Nope. If not, um, I'll go ahead then and

2620
02:01:19,840 --> 02:01:22,960
close the public hearing and council, we

2621
02:01:22,960 --> 02:01:25,040
may enter into deliberations. Um,

2622
02:01:25,040 --> 02:01:28,239
council member Duran.

2623
02:01:28,239 --> 02:01:30,000
>> Yeah, I thank you very much, Madame

2624
02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:32,480
Mayor. I appreciate it. And uh you know,

2625
02:01:32,480 --> 02:01:33,679
I've been looking at this for a long

2626
02:01:33,679 --> 02:01:36,800
time and I live in the Victoria area and

2627
02:01:36,800 --> 02:01:39,760
I am um Deputy Mayor Halter, one of

2628
02:01:39,760 --> 02:01:41,520
those that go to Costco and spend all

2629
02:01:41,520 --> 02:01:42,960
kinds. I'm not surprised at that number

2630
02:01:42,960 --> 02:01:44,560
because it feels like I spend that much

2631
02:01:44,560 --> 02:01:48,719
just when I go. Um but you know,

2632
02:01:48,719 --> 02:01:50,239
living here my whole life and seeing

2633
02:01:50,239 --> 02:01:53,760
that for 19 years empty when it used to

2634
02:01:53,760 --> 02:01:55,440
be thriving down there, right? Right. It

2635
02:01:55,440 --> 02:01:57,679
used to be there was there was pizza

2636
02:01:57,679 --> 02:01:59,119
parlor and all kinds of we were talking

2637
02:01:59,119 --> 02:02:01,760
about that today or yesterday. Um and so

2638
02:02:01,760 --> 02:02:04,960
I I'm actually um I'm I'm in support of

2639
02:02:04,960 --> 02:02:06,800
this because it just makes a lot of

2640
02:02:06,800 --> 02:02:08,239
sense. We're not getting the tax revenue

2641
02:02:08,239 --> 02:02:09,599
that we need. People are going to

2642
02:02:09,599 --> 02:02:12,400
another city. Um we have an empty

2643
02:02:12,400 --> 02:02:15,040
building. Um and and you know, I will

2644
02:02:15,040 --> 02:02:16,560
tell you that I go in that parking lot

2645
02:02:16,560 --> 02:02:18,080
all the time. I'm in I'm in Walmart all

2646
02:02:18,080 --> 02:02:20,159
the time. My my wife's in Trader Joe's

2647
02:02:20,159 --> 02:02:21,840
all the times. And I don't know how much

2648
02:02:21,840 --> 02:02:23,199
time you spend in the parking lot

2649
02:02:23,199 --> 02:02:27,760
itself, but they've done a good job in that parking lot. I It's pretty good.

2650
02:02:27,760 --> 02:02:29,760
I know the Trader Joe's sites gets busy

2651
02:02:29,760 --> 02:02:31,040
sometimes because you don't have direct

2652
02:02:31,040 --> 02:02:33,360
access necessarily in that area, but

2653
02:02:33,360 --> 02:02:34,960
where Walmart is, it's it's great. I

2654
02:02:34,960 --> 02:02:36,960
think the issue is this. When we talk

2655
02:02:36,960 --> 02:02:40,480
about um pedestrian friendly, let's get

2656
02:02:40,480 --> 02:02:42,159
the food vendors off the streets. We're

2657
02:02:42,159 --> 02:02:43,599
going to be pedestrian a lot more

2658
02:02:43,599 --> 02:02:46,639
pedestrian friendly in my opinion. But

2659
02:02:46,639 --> 02:02:48,239
other than that, I I'm in complete

2660
02:02:48,239 --> 02:02:50,719
support. Um, if you don't have any

2661
02:02:50,719 --> 02:02:52,080
others, I'd like to make a motion to

2662
02:02:52,080 --> 02:02:54,960
approve uh staff's recommendation.

2663
02:02:54,960 --> 02:02:56,800
>> Thank you. And Deputy Mayor Halter, did

2664
02:02:56,800 --> 02:02:58,159
you have a comment or did you want to

2665
02:02:58,159 --> 02:02:58,800
support the

2666
02:02:58,800 --> 02:02:59,760
>> I have a comment.

2667
02:02:59,760 --> 02:03:01,360
>> Okay.

2668
02:03:01,360 --> 02:03:04,080
Uh, I'd like to first say Victoria

2669
02:03:04,080 --> 02:03:07,280
is an interesting um boulevard at inner

2670
02:03:07,280 --> 02:03:10,320
city because it

2671
02:03:10,320 --> 02:03:15,440
most of the traffic is because it's the bypass. It's going from 126

2672
02:03:15,440 --> 02:03:18,880
westbound to 101 southbound. And I

2673
02:03:18,880 --> 02:03:21,199
believe what should have happened years

2674
02:03:21,199 --> 02:03:23,440
ago is that bypass should have actually

2675
02:03:23,440 --> 02:03:26,320
happened. And instead we have our main

2676
02:03:26,320 --> 02:03:28,960
financial center, our main business

2677
02:03:28,960 --> 02:03:31,040
center. Uh although I'd love to see it

2678
02:03:31,040 --> 02:03:33,280
also in downtown in the future. I'd like

2679
02:03:33,280 --> 02:03:34,560
to say that that's really our business

2680
02:03:34,560 --> 02:03:36,880
center. [laughter] Um but there is with

2681
02:03:36,880 --> 02:03:38,480
the county there and so forth. It really

2682
02:03:38,480 --> 02:03:41,840
is where most the jobs are at. and and

2683
02:03:41,840 --> 02:03:45,599
um I don't necessarily want to

2684
02:03:45,599 --> 02:03:47,679
uh reduce the traffic impact on that

2685
02:03:47,679 --> 02:03:50,400
street by not filling the buildings and

2686
02:03:50,400 --> 02:03:52,800
leaving things unoccupied uh on that

2687
02:03:52,800 --> 02:03:54,400
street and that's exactly what's

2688
02:03:54,400 --> 02:03:58,639
happening is so uh I still think someday

2689
02:03:58,639 --> 02:04:00,320
it will happen somebody will have the

2690
02:04:00,320 --> 02:04:02,400
courage and hopefully it can start any

2691
02:04:02,400 --> 02:04:06,080
day where you push CALR in the state to

2692
02:04:06,080 --> 02:04:09,199
plan for and build a bypass because

2693
02:04:09,199 --> 02:04:10,800
otherwise Victoria will always be

2694
02:04:10,800 --> 02:04:12,800
impacted. No matter what size store we

2695
02:04:12,800 --> 02:04:14,480
have, it's just if there's any other

2696
02:04:14,480 --> 02:04:16,960
need for someone to drive someplace on

2697
02:04:16,960 --> 02:04:18,320
that boulevard, we're going to add more

2698
02:04:18,320 --> 02:04:21,360
cars to that boulevard. So, I I I look

2699
02:04:21,360 --> 02:04:22,880
at traffic. I look at all the things I

2700
02:04:22,880 --> 02:04:24,800
have to weigh as a council member to

2701
02:04:24,800 --> 02:04:26,320
make the best decision I can. And I look

2702
02:04:26,320 --> 02:04:28,880
at the traffic, the impact, and the

2703
02:04:28,880 --> 02:04:31,119
viability of reuse of some of those

2704
02:04:31,119 --> 02:04:33,040
buildings that

2705
02:04:33,040 --> 02:04:34,719
really to some extent have outlived

2706
02:04:34,719 --> 02:04:37,840
their life. Uh and then we look at the

2707
02:04:37,840 --> 02:04:39,440
convenience and the fact that instead of

2708
02:04:39,440 --> 02:04:41,760
driving uh out of our city, it's bad

2709
02:04:41,760 --> 02:04:43,440
enough that most of our workforce drives

2710
02:04:43,440 --> 02:04:46,000
out of our city every day and creating

2711
02:04:46,000 --> 02:04:48,560
more traffic on the freeways. Um we

2712
02:04:48,560 --> 02:04:50,560
don't necessarily want to lose those tax

2713
02:04:50,560 --> 02:04:52,880
dollars, too, on top of the workers and

2714
02:04:52,880 --> 02:04:55,199
the employers that have already gone to

2715
02:04:55,199 --> 02:04:59,840
other cities around us. And we lose the tax revenue. I have to look at the

2716
02:04:59,840 --> 02:05:02,639
economic vitality. And I look at the

2717
02:05:02,639 --> 02:05:05,840
places that are thriving. Okay. I look

2718
02:05:05,840 --> 02:05:09,199
at when I go places and the the the

2719
02:05:09,199 --> 02:05:10,960
story that came to mind for me that

2720
02:05:10,960 --> 02:05:13,199
probably still won't fit the 140 square

2721
02:05:13,199 --> 02:05:16,480
feet by 140,000 but is phenomenal and I

2722
02:05:16,480 --> 02:05:18,080
think represents the future is something

2723
02:05:18,080 --> 02:05:20,960
called Italy. If anybody's ever been to

2724
02:05:20,960 --> 02:05:24,000
Italy, it is unbelievable. It is it's

2725
02:05:24,000 --> 02:05:26,719
really a quality that every single one

2726
02:05:26,719 --> 02:05:28,480
of us, no matter what economic level

2727
02:05:28,480 --> 02:05:30,880
you're at, can really enjoy the beauty,

2728
02:05:30,880 --> 02:05:33,679
the ambiance, the what it provides. And

2729
02:05:33,679 --> 02:05:35,440
even the buildings are beautiful. It's

2730
02:05:35,440 --> 02:05:36,880
not like the it's we're not talking

2731
02:05:36,880 --> 02:05:38,719
about just putting up warehouses. You

2732
02:05:38,719 --> 02:05:40,960
know, the days of that are long gone. I

2733
02:05:40,960 --> 02:05:44,560
do want to say as a as a exterior design

2734
02:05:44,560 --> 02:05:46,320
build contractor, okay, [laughter]

2735
02:05:46,320 --> 02:05:50,159
so I had to qualify that a little bit is

2736
02:05:50,159 --> 02:05:52,320
uh I will say it's very frustrating that

2737
02:05:52,320 --> 02:05:55,679
the fight we had to get one hardware

2738
02:05:55,679 --> 02:05:57,760
store and I'll name it because there's

2739
02:05:57,760 --> 02:05:59,360
only one really other than some of the

2740
02:05:59,360 --> 02:06:02,159
small ones, Lowe's here. I tell people

2741
02:06:02,159 --> 02:06:04,080
all the time as a contractor, I could

2742
02:06:04,080 --> 02:06:07,280
get 50% of any all the product I need to

2743
02:06:07,280 --> 02:06:11,599
do any job I'm I'm hired to do, I always

2744
02:06:11,599 --> 02:06:13,199
have to go to Home Depot for the other

2745
02:06:13,199 --> 02:06:14,880
50%.

2746
02:06:14,880 --> 02:06:17,760
And so the things we preclude and the

2747
02:06:17,760 --> 02:06:19,440
decisions we make have unintended

2748
02:06:19,440 --> 02:06:23,599
consequences. So I rather believe in the

2749
02:06:23,599 --> 02:06:26,400
process and review of what that's uh

2750
02:06:26,400 --> 02:06:29,040
what will go on that site and actually

2751
02:06:29,040 --> 02:06:32,320
have no barriers and leave it up to our

2752
02:06:32,320 --> 02:06:34,400
system to say what will fit on that

2753
02:06:34,400 --> 02:06:36,639
parcel and how are you going to make it

2754
02:06:36,639 --> 02:06:38,960
fit the ambiance and the quality that

2755
02:06:38,960 --> 02:06:42,159
our our design standards will say we

2756
02:06:42,159 --> 02:06:46,480
have to do um and have and fix the

2757
02:06:46,480 --> 02:06:48,320
impact on traffic that it might have as

2758
02:06:48,320 --> 02:06:49,920
well as on parking. there would be a

2759
02:06:49,920 --> 02:06:52,000
natural limitation to that. I don't

2760
02:06:52,000 --> 02:06:54,560
really like the artificial limitations

2761
02:06:54,560 --> 02:07:00,149
because we end up with things being half

2762
02:07:00,159 --> 02:07:03,360
done. Okay. Trying to be nice. So, uh

2763
02:07:03,360 --> 02:07:05,599
anyway, so I I would be seconding the

2764
02:07:05,599 --> 02:07:06,800
motion, but I really think we shouldn't

2765
02:07:06,800 --> 02:07:09,920
have any barrier.

2766
02:07:09,920 --> 02:07:13,760
>> Thank you. Um Council Member Schumacher.

2767
02:07:13,760 --> 02:07:17,040
>> Thank you, Mayor. Um so I I am generally

2768
02:07:17,040 --> 02:07:20,400
supportive of the um of the motion as

2769
02:07:20,400 --> 02:07:21,840
well. The only thing that uh brings me

2770
02:07:21,840 --> 02:07:23,199
to concern and I just want to make sure

2771
02:07:23,199 --> 02:07:25,199
that our my colleagues are are very much

2772
02:07:25,199 --> 02:07:28,079
aware um the planning commission asked

2773
02:07:28,079 --> 02:07:33,119
us or voted for us to reject this and um

2774
02:07:33,119 --> 02:07:34,719
I want to make sure that we are

2775
02:07:34,719 --> 02:07:38,480
conscious of that. Um and given some of

2776
02:07:38,480 --> 02:07:40,960
the concerns it brings me to make sure

2777
02:07:40,960 --> 02:07:42,480
that we bring light to that those

2778
02:07:42,480 --> 02:07:45,040
discussions as well. There are some, you

2779
02:07:45,040 --> 02:07:47,119
know, we are going against the long-term

2780
02:07:47,119 --> 02:07:49,040
vision of the Victoria Avenue corridor

2781
02:07:49,040 --> 02:07:51,440
plan and that is a represent and the

2782
02:07:51,440 --> 02:07:53,440
representative, my gosh, the

2783
02:07:53,440 --> 02:07:55,760
representative of that area is uh

2784
02:07:55,760 --> 02:07:57,679
council member Duran. And so we look to

2785
02:07:57,679 --> 02:08:01,840
you to ensure that you know you are um

2786
02:08:01,840 --> 02:08:04,560
essentially advocating for what your

2787
02:08:04,560 --> 02:08:06,719
constituents had asked for regarding

2788
02:08:06,719 --> 02:08:09,280
this long-term vision because those

2789
02:08:09,280 --> 02:08:11,760
people were part of developing that

2790
02:08:11,760 --> 02:08:14,560
plan. Um on top of that too and I just

2791
02:08:14,560 --> 02:08:15,679
want to make sure that we have a

2792
02:08:15,679 --> 02:08:18,800
discussion on this is um you know along

2793
02:08:18,800 --> 02:08:22,639
with that plan we that area is supposed

2794
02:08:22,639 --> 02:08:25,360
to be mixed use. It's supposed to be an

2795
02:08:25,360 --> 02:08:27,599
area in which we have more smaller

2796
02:08:27,599 --> 02:08:30,079
format retail within that corridor. And

2797
02:08:30,079 --> 02:08:32,560
so if we're consciously aware of that

2798
02:08:32,560 --> 02:08:36,000
and also understanding that on the other

2799
02:08:36,000 --> 02:08:38,400
side of this argument that times are

2800
02:08:38,400 --> 02:08:44,400
changing sales um as uh our um uh CEO of

2801
02:08:44,400 --> 02:08:47,599
the chamber had mentioned you know um a

2802
02:08:47,599 --> 02:08:50,000
lot of things are h the federal

2803
02:08:50,000 --> 02:08:51,440
government has really kind of put us in

2804
02:08:51,440 --> 02:08:53,199
a bind in in where we want to make sure

2805
02:08:53,199 --> 02:08:55,040
that we take care of our own city in

2806
02:08:55,040 --> 02:08:56,960
regards to the sales tax that we are

2807
02:08:56,960 --> 02:08:59,599
able to generate um when we bring more

2808
02:08:59,599 --> 02:09:02,880
businesses here. So these are the type

2809
02:09:02,880 --> 02:09:04,800
of discussions that I just don't want us

2810
02:09:04,800 --> 02:09:08,480
to just kind of over uh you know just

2811
02:09:08,480 --> 02:09:11,199
kind of uh uh overlook. I want to make

2812
02:09:11,199 --> 02:09:13,280
sure that those those are things that we

2813
02:09:13,280 --> 02:09:16,239
are considering um given that we have

2814
02:09:16,239 --> 02:09:18,000
some concerns from the community that

2815
02:09:18,000 --> 02:09:21,360
live in that area. Thank you.

2816
02:09:21,360 --> 02:09:23,280
>> Thank you for those comments. Um so at

2817
02:09:23,280 --> 02:09:25,920
this time we do have a motion and a

2818
02:09:25,920 --> 02:09:28,239
second.

2819
02:09:28,239 --> 02:09:30,159
>> Yeah. Uh, Council Member, Deputy Mayor

2820
02:09:30,159 --> 02:09:32,880
Halter seconded. So, any other comments?

2821
02:09:32,880 --> 02:09:34,320
If not, I'll go ahead and call for a

2822
02:09:34,320 --> 02:09:39,510
vote.

2823
02:09:39,520 --> 02:09:41,679
And Mr. City Manager, after the vote,

2824
02:09:41,679 --> 02:09:49,990
did you want to

2825
02:09:50,000 --> 02:09:51,440
Hey, we're waiting for one more vote to

2826
02:09:51,440 --> 02:09:59,669
be entered.

2827
02:09:59,679 --> 02:10:03,280
All votes have now been entered.

2828
02:10:03,280 --> 02:10:06,560
Six eyes's, one no. Council member

2829
02:10:06,560 --> 02:10:09,199
Compost, no. And the measure carries.

2830
02:10:09,199 --> 02:10:10,800
>> Thank you, Mr. City Manager.

2831
02:10:10,800 --> 02:10:12,560
>> Uh, thank you, Madam Mayor. I would just

2832
02:10:12,560 --> 02:10:15,199
like to point out to uh to the council,

2833
02:10:15,199 --> 02:10:17,199
to the members of the public, uh this is

2834
02:10:17,199 --> 02:10:20,079
Miss Diamond's last uh meeting in these

2835
02:10:20,079 --> 02:10:23,280
chambers. She uh has been a prominent uh

2836
02:10:23,280 --> 02:10:26,079
fixture in local leadership for a little

2837
02:10:26,079 --> 02:10:28,880
over three years with the city. Um we've

2838
02:10:28,880 --> 02:10:32,719
benefited uh terribly from her humor,

2839
02:10:32,719 --> 02:10:35,840
her uh high energy levels, her um

2840
02:10:35,840 --> 02:10:37,920
intellect. Uh she's led the community

2841
02:10:37,920 --> 02:10:40,320
development department uh to a far

2842
02:10:40,320 --> 02:10:42,079
better place than what it was when she

2843
02:10:42,079 --> 02:10:44,880
found it. Some terrific hires. Um she's

2844
02:10:44,880 --> 02:10:46,719
accepted a position with the city of

2845
02:10:46,719 --> 02:10:50,159
Glendale. So, we curse them a lot, but

2846
02:10:50,159 --> 02:10:52,320
we thank uh Miss Diamond for her service

2847
02:10:52,320 --> 02:10:55,119
and everything that she's given and uh

2848
02:10:55,119 --> 02:10:56,480
you know, getting our general plan

2849
02:10:56,480 --> 02:10:59,199
across the finish line. I'm cementing a

2850
02:10:59,199 --> 02:11:01,360
really strong team that is going to be

2851
02:11:01,360 --> 02:11:04,079
able to to pick up the mantle uh in her

2852
02:11:04,079 --> 02:11:05,920
absence and move that department

2853
02:11:05,920 --> 02:11:09,915
forward. So, Rachel, thank you so much.

2854
02:11:09,915 --> 02:11:10,159
[applause]

2855
02:11:10,159 --> 02:11:12,159
>> Thank you.

2856
02:11:12,159 --> 02:11:14,500
Um

2857
02:11:14,500 --> 02:11:15,760
[laughter]

2858
02:11:15,760 --> 02:11:18,159
thank you. I I also wanted to say thank

2859
02:11:18,159 --> 02:11:20,400
you, Miss Diamond, for um the leadership

2860
02:11:20,400 --> 02:11:22,079
you've held here at the city and for

2861
02:11:22,079 --> 02:11:25,119
helping um our community thrive. Really

2862
02:11:25,119 --> 02:11:27,280
appreciate the uh long hours that you

2863
02:11:27,280 --> 02:11:29,760
have put in. I know that it's not easy

2864
02:11:29,760 --> 02:11:33,280
and um most of the time uh folks are

2865
02:11:33,280 --> 02:11:35,840
chasing after you for not a good reason.

2866
02:11:35,840 --> 02:11:38,320
Um, but I'm I'm happy to hear that for

2867
02:11:38,320 --> 02:11:40,639
you, at least you've um been able to

2868
02:11:40,639 --> 02:11:43,760
transition um to something hopefully

2869
02:11:43,760 --> 02:11:45,760
that's better for you and really just

2870
02:11:45,760 --> 02:11:47,360
want to congratulate you and thank you

2871
02:11:47,360 --> 02:11:49,360
for the work that you've done here.

2872
02:11:49,360 --> 02:11:52,000
>> Thank you so much. I really just want to

2873
02:11:52,000 --> 02:11:54,480
thank Bill and Carlen, all the council

2874
02:11:54,480 --> 02:11:56,320
members, the staff has been incredible.

2875
02:11:56,320 --> 02:11:59,199
This is truly a bittersweet um goodbye.

2876
02:11:59,199 --> 02:12:01,199
It's been one of the highlights of my

2877
02:12:01,199 --> 02:12:03,360
professional career to work in Ventura.

2878
02:12:03,360 --> 02:12:06,719
It's truly uh an amazing place to work.

2879
02:12:06,719 --> 02:12:09,440
It's an amazing place to be and that's

2880
02:12:09,440 --> 02:12:11,440
it. It's it's really been so special.

2881
02:12:11,440 --> 02:12:14,079
So, I just appreciate um you know all of

2882
02:12:14,079 --> 02:12:18,000
Bill's confidence and um and the team is

2883
02:12:18,000 --> 02:12:20,719
super incredible and you're left with an

2884
02:12:20,719 --> 02:12:23,520
amazing team that can um you know truly

2885
02:12:23,520 --> 02:12:25,440
do the work and does the work every day.

2886
02:12:25,440 --> 02:12:27,199
So, again, I just want to thank them so

2887
02:12:27,199 --> 02:12:28,880
much and really the staff throughout the

2888
02:12:28,880 --> 02:12:31,199
city who's been incredible. Um and to

2889
02:12:31,199 --> 02:12:35,990
all of you, good luck. Thank you.

2890
02:12:36,000 --> 02:12:37,599
Deputy Mayor, would you like to say a

2891
02:12:37,599 --> 02:12:38,639
few words?

2892
02:12:38,639 --> 02:12:40,000
>> Say a couple of things. Yeah. Only

2893
02:12:40,000 --> 02:12:42,480
because um uh I've had the honor of

2894
02:12:42,480 --> 02:12:48,239
working closely uh uh understanding uh and seeing how we compare to other

2895
02:12:48,239 --> 02:12:50,239
cities around us and so forth. And I got

2896
02:12:50,239 --> 02:12:53,040
to tell you is uh I've been doing what I

2897
02:12:53,040 --> 02:12:55,760
do for 32 years and it's been tough.

2898
02:12:55,760 --> 02:12:56,880
I've seen 30 or 40 different

2899
02:12:56,880 --> 02:12:58,719
municipalities that I work in and seeing

2900
02:12:58,719 --> 02:13:01,199
the differences and bringing Ventura

2901
02:13:01,199 --> 02:13:04,320
forward in uh a more palatable way for

2902
02:13:04,320 --> 02:13:05,920
business who want to do business here.

2903
02:13:05,920 --> 02:13:08,079
Uh you've made a lot of progress here.

2904
02:13:08,079 --> 02:13:09,520
You really have. I want to thank you for

2905
02:13:09,520 --> 02:13:11,440
that. Uh there's still a lot we need to

2906
02:13:11,440 --> 02:13:13,199
do, but we're primed for getting there.

2907
02:13:13,199 --> 02:13:15,119
And I believe Sunday because of the

2908
02:13:15,119 --> 02:13:16,800
efforts and all the energy you put into

2909
02:13:16,800 --> 02:13:18,639
it. this will be that model city that

2910
02:13:18,639 --> 02:13:20,079
people look at and say, "Hey, we're

2911
02:13:20,079 --> 02:13:21,840
going to protect what we love and we're

2912
02:13:21,840 --> 02:13:23,280
going to make sure that people want to

2913
02:13:23,280 --> 02:13:24,880
invest here, but do so in a way that

2914
02:13:24,880 --> 02:13:27,119
represents our values as Venturans." So,

2915
02:13:27,119 --> 02:13:29,520
I want to thank you for the sacrifices.

2916
02:13:29,520 --> 02:13:31,599
I know that you live down south, the

2917
02:13:31,599 --> 02:13:34,079
sacrifices and meet be here at a very

2918
02:13:34,079 --> 02:13:35,920
challenging time and to overcome a lot

2919
02:13:35,920 --> 02:13:38,880
of uh things that we had to overcome um

2920
02:13:38,880 --> 02:13:41,440
as we change staff here and and thanks

2921
02:13:41,440 --> 02:13:42,639
for being a part of it and I hope you

2922
02:13:42,639 --> 02:13:45,599
stay in contact. So, thanks.

2923
02:13:45,599 --> 02:13:47,119
>> Thank you.

2924
02:13:47,119 --> 02:13:49,082
I think we can let you go now.

2925
02:13:49,082 --> 02:13:50,400
[laughter]

2926
02:13:50,400 --> 02:13:53,679
Thank you. Okay, moving on to our public

2927
02:13:53,679 --> 02:13:57,920
hearing items. Um, item number 12 is the

2928
02:13:57,920 --> 02:14:03,189
ordinance amending sections 16.210.070

2929
02:14:03,199 --> 02:14:05,599
and 16.215.030

2930
02:14:05,599 --> 02:14:09,119
030 of the municipal code to support

2931
02:14:09,119 --> 02:14:11,760
changing of time limits in city-owned

2932
02:14:11,760 --> 02:14:13,920
parking lots, allowing for paid parking

2933
02:14:13,920 --> 02:14:15,920
in city-owned parking lots, and

2934
02:14:15,920 --> 02:14:18,079
establishing a new downtown employee

2935
02:14:18,079 --> 02:14:20,960
parking permit program.

2936
02:14:20,960 --> 02:14:23,280
We'll go ahead and confirm the noticing

2937
02:14:23,280 --> 02:14:25,280
requirements for this item.

2938
02:14:25,280 --> 02:14:26,719
>> Thank you, Mayor. Yes, this item has

2939
02:14:26,719 --> 02:14:28,159
been adequately noticed.

2940
02:14:28,159 --> 02:14:29,920
>> Thank you. I'll go ahead and open the

2941
02:14:29,920 --> 02:14:32,239
public hearing and invite staff to do

2942
02:14:32,239 --> 02:14:40,149
their presentation.

2943
02:14:40,159 --> 02:14:41,679
Uh, good evening, mayor and members of

2944
02:14:41,679 --> 02:14:43,599
city council. I am Charlie Ebling, the

2945
02:14:43,599 --> 02:14:45,599
public works director. Tonight, we will

2946
02:14:45,599 --> 02:14:47,760
give a short presentation on mun

2947
02:14:47,760 --> 02:14:50,480
municipal code updates for parking. I

2948
02:14:50,480 --> 02:14:52,480
have with me Alec Roberts, assistant

2949
02:14:52,480 --> 02:14:55,040
public works director, and Jeff Hford,

2950
02:14:55,040 --> 02:14:57,440
principal transportation engineer. I

2951
02:14:57,440 --> 02:14:59,760
will now turn it over to Mr. hereford to

2952
02:14:59,760 --> 02:15:01,599
give the presentation and we will be

2953
02:15:01,599 --> 02:15:03,119
happy to answer any questions you have

2954
02:15:03,119 --> 02:15:04,880
afterwards.

2955
02:15:04,880 --> 02:15:06,639
>> Thank you, Charlie. So, [clears throat]

2956
02:15:06,639 --> 02:15:08,880
before we get into the uh the three

2957
02:15:08,880 --> 02:15:11,679
municipal code changes uh and updates, I

2958
02:15:11,679 --> 02:15:13,280
wanted to uh review some recent

2959
02:15:13,280 --> 02:15:15,119
improvements to our downtown on street

2960
02:15:15,119 --> 02:15:17,599
parking meters. Uh we have replaced the

2961
02:15:17,599 --> 02:15:19,360
older paybyspace meters with the new

2962
02:15:19,360 --> 02:15:22,079
paybyplate technology. Uh users now

2963
02:15:22,079 --> 02:15:23,679
enter their license plate number rather

2964
02:15:23,679 --> 02:15:26,000
than a parking space number into the new

2965
02:15:26,000 --> 02:15:28,480
meters. Uh, with the new meters, we also

2966
02:15:28,480 --> 02:15:30,400
implemented the 90 minute free parking

2967
02:15:30,400 --> 02:15:32,719
program. Customers who park for 90

2968
02:15:32,719 --> 02:15:35,040
minutes or less receive that time at no

2969
02:15:35,040 --> 02:15:37,280
cost. If they stay longer than the 90

2970
02:15:37,280 --> 02:15:39,520
minutes, they pay for their entire stay,

2971
02:15:39,520 --> 02:15:42,239
including the first 90 minutes. The item

2972
02:15:42,239 --> 02:15:43,920
before council tonight is a series of

2973
02:15:43,920 --> 02:15:45,679
parking municipal code changes and

2974
02:15:45,679 --> 02:15:48,960
updates. staff is proposing uh these

2975
02:15:48,960 --> 02:15:50,400
municipal code updates that will give

2976
02:15:50,400 --> 02:15:52,719
the city greater flexibility to manage

2977
02:15:52,719 --> 02:15:54,960
our off- streetet parking resources by

2978
02:15:54,960 --> 02:15:57,679
modifying parking lot time limits. Uh

2979
02:15:57,679 --> 02:15:59,280
provide the authority needed for

2980
02:15:59,280 --> 02:16:00,880
potential future off- streetet paid

2981
02:16:00,880 --> 02:16:03,280
parking and also to establish the

2982
02:16:03,280 --> 02:16:05,119
framework for an employee parking permit

2983
02:16:05,119 --> 02:16:08,229
program.

2984
02:16:08,239 --> 02:16:09,920
Uh the first proposed change is to

2985
02:16:09,920 --> 02:16:13,520
municipal code section 16210.070 070

2986
02:16:13,520 --> 02:16:15,599
which regulates uh city-owned parking

2987
02:16:15,599 --> 02:16:18,159
lots. The proposed amendment would

2988
02:16:18,159 --> 02:16:20,079
authorize the public works director or

2989
02:16:20,079 --> 02:16:22,000
designate to establish and modify those

2990
02:16:22,000 --> 02:16:24,159
time limits administratively.

2991
02:16:24,159 --> 02:16:26,079
This gives staff greater flexibility to

2992
02:16:26,079 --> 02:16:28,079
respond to changing parking demand and

2993
02:16:28,079 --> 02:16:30,880
operational needs. It also avoids having

2994
02:16:30,880 --> 02:16:32,399
to return to council for a municipal

2995
02:16:32,399 --> 02:16:34,639
code amendment each time a parking time

2996
02:16:34,639 --> 02:16:37,280
limit needs to be adjusted. Changes

2997
02:16:37,280 --> 02:16:38,800
would still be communicated to the

2998
02:16:38,800 --> 02:16:40,559
public through appropriate signage and

2999
02:16:40,559 --> 02:16:42,080
notification.

3000
02:16:42,080 --> 02:16:43,840
Uh and finally, the amendment adds a

3001
02:16:43,840 --> 02:16:45,760
definition of a city parking lot to

3002
02:16:45,760 --> 02:16:47,280
clarify which off- streetet parking

3003
02:16:47,280 --> 02:16:48,880
facilities are covered by this section

3004
02:16:48,880 --> 02:16:52,790
of the municipal code.

3005
02:16:52,800 --> 02:16:55,040
Uh the next proposed change is also to

3006
02:16:55,040 --> 02:16:58,319
municipal code section 16210.070

3007
02:16:58,319 --> 02:17:00,160
and addresses the city's authority to

3008
02:17:00,160 --> 02:17:02,080
charge for parking in city-owned off-

3009
02:17:02,080 --> 02:17:04,399
streetet parking lots. The municipal

3010
02:17:04,399 --> 02:17:06,160
code currently provides clear authority

3011
02:17:06,160 --> 02:17:08,639
for paid parking on downtown streets,

3012
02:17:08,639 --> 02:17:10,639
but it does not provide the same clear

3013
02:17:10,639 --> 02:17:13,120
authority for city-owned parking lots.

3014
02:17:13,120 --> 02:17:15,200
The proposed amendment addresses that by

3015
02:17:15,200 --> 02:17:17,519
allowing the city council by resolution

3016
02:17:17,519 --> 02:17:19,679
to establish fees for parking in

3017
02:17:19,679 --> 02:17:21,679
city-owned lots and other off- streetet

3018
02:17:21,679 --> 02:17:24,240
facilities. The ordinance does not

3019
02:17:24,240 --> 02:17:25,840
implement off- streetet paid parking

3020
02:17:25,840 --> 02:17:28,000
within the downtown core. It simply

3021
02:17:28,000 --> 02:17:30,240
establishes the legal framework that

3022
02:17:30,240 --> 02:17:32,240
would allow council to consider off-

3023
02:17:32,240 --> 02:17:35,519
streetet paid parking in the future.

3024
02:17:35,519 --> 02:17:37,439
Before paid parking could be expanded

3025
02:17:37,439 --> 02:17:39,679
into the downtown city-owned lots, the

3026
02:17:39,679 --> 02:17:41,519
city would also need approval of an

3027
02:17:41,519 --> 02:17:43,120
administrative coastal development

3028
02:17:43,120 --> 02:17:46,000
permit. Once that process is complete,

3029
02:17:46,000 --> 02:17:48,080
staff would return to council with the

3030
02:17:48,080 --> 02:17:50,479
proposed implementation schedule,

3031
02:17:50,479 --> 02:17:53,120
parking rates, operating policies,

3032
02:17:53,120 --> 02:17:54,960
financial projections, and any other

3033
02:17:54,960 --> 02:17:56,880
actions needed before the program could

3034
02:17:56,880 --> 02:17:59,359
move forward. The action tonight

3035
02:17:59,359 --> 02:18:01,280
provides the authority and flexibility

3036
02:18:01,280 --> 02:18:03,439
for a future program. While the decision

3037
02:18:03,439 --> 02:18:06,080
on whether, when, and how off- streetet

3038
02:18:06,080 --> 02:18:07,920
paid parking in the downtown is

3039
02:18:07,920 --> 02:18:12,629
implemented remains with city council.

3040
02:18:12,639 --> 02:18:14,240
The next proposed amendment is to

3041
02:18:14,240 --> 02:18:17,840
municipal code section 16215.030

3042
02:18:17,840 --> 02:18:19,760
and establishes the downtown employee

3043
02:18:19,760 --> 02:18:22,559
parking permit program. The goal of this

3044
02:18:22,559 --> 02:18:24,559
program is to provide eligible downtown

3045
02:18:24,559 --> 02:18:26,559
employees with an affordable long-term

3046
02:18:26,559 --> 02:18:28,880
parking option and help move employee

3047
02:18:28,880 --> 02:18:30,559
parking into locations that are better

3048
02:18:30,559 --> 02:18:33,120
suited for longer stays. Under the

3049
02:18:33,120 --> 02:18:34,719
program, employees would be able to

3050
02:18:34,719 --> 02:18:37,599
purchase a permit for $35 per month with

3051
02:18:37,599 --> 02:18:40,000
permits issued and renewed quarterly.

3052
02:18:40,000 --> 02:18:41,920
The permit would allow employees to park

3053
02:18:41,920 --> 02:18:44,479
beyond the posted 4hour time limit in

3054
02:18:44,479 --> 02:18:46,479
designated city-owned downtown parking

3055
02:18:46,479 --> 02:18:49,679
lots. The proposed $35 monthly fee is

3056
02:18:49,679 --> 02:18:51,200
not intended to provide full cost

3057
02:18:51,200 --> 02:18:53,679
recovery. The cost of service analysis

3058
02:18:53,679 --> 02:18:55,760
prepared by Clear Source estimates the

3059
02:18:55,760 --> 02:18:58,240
city's cost to [clears throat] issue and

3060
02:18:58,240 --> 02:19:00,000
administer a permit at approximately

3061
02:19:00,000 --> 02:19:01,519
$88.

3062
02:19:01,519 --> 02:19:03,760
Compared with the proposed $35 permit

3063
02:19:03,760 --> 02:19:06,080
fee, this represents approximately 40%

3064
02:19:06,080 --> 02:19:07,920
cost recovery.

3065
02:19:07,920 --> 02:19:10,319
staff believes the proposed $35 fee

3066
02:19:10,319 --> 02:19:12,319
provides an appropriate balance that

3067
02:19:12,319 --> 02:19:14,399
allows the city to recover a portion of

3068
02:19:14,399 --> 02:19:16,719
the program's administrative cost while

3069
02:19:16,719 --> 02:19:18,240
recognizing the importance of working

3070
02:19:18,240 --> 02:19:19,760
with our downtown businesses and

3071
02:19:19,760 --> 02:19:21,280
employees to provide an affordable

3072
02:19:21,280 --> 02:19:23,920
long-term parking option. The intent of

3073
02:19:23,920 --> 02:19:26,080
the program is uh not primarily to

3074
02:19:26,080 --> 02:19:27,599
generate revenue, but to provide a

3075
02:19:27,599 --> 02:19:29,840
parking management tool that supports

3076
02:19:29,840 --> 02:19:31,679
the downtown workforce and helps better

3077
02:19:31,679 --> 02:19:34,880
manage our available parking supply.

3078
02:19:34,880 --> 02:19:36,719
Permit holders would also be able to use

3079
02:19:36,719 --> 02:19:38,639
designated employee spaces on the upper

3080
02:19:38,639 --> 02:19:41,200
level of the downtown parking structure.

3081
02:19:41,200 --> 02:19:42,719
We plan to initially designate

3082
02:19:42,719 --> 02:19:44,319
approximately 20 spaces in the

3083
02:19:44,319 --> 02:19:46,399
structure. Staff will monitor

3084
02:19:46,399 --> 02:19:49,520
utilization and can adjust the number or

3085
02:19:49,520 --> 02:19:52,240
location of designated spac spaces as

3086
02:19:52,240 --> 02:19:55,439
demand warrants. The permits would uh

3087
02:19:55,439 --> 02:19:57,280
only be valid in designated off-

3088
02:19:57,280 --> 02:19:59,200
streetet locations and would not be

3089
02:19:59,200 --> 02:20:01,840
valid for on street parking. Initially,

3090
02:20:01,840 --> 02:20:03,840
permits would be issued as hang tags

3091
02:20:03,840 --> 02:20:05,520
with the intent to transition to a

3092
02:20:05,520 --> 02:20:07,840
license plate-based virtual permit as

3093
02:20:07,840 --> 02:20:09,120
the city's parking enforcement

3094
02:20:09,120 --> 02:20:11,439
technology advances.

3095
02:20:11,439 --> 02:20:13,040
An administrative coastal development

3096
02:20:13,040 --> 02:20:15,120
permit is also required before we can

3097
02:20:15,120 --> 02:20:17,280
implement the employee permit program.

3098
02:20:17,280 --> 02:20:19,040
Once the coastal development permit is

3099
02:20:19,040 --> 02:20:20,960
approved, staff will begin outreach to

3100
02:20:20,960 --> 02:20:22,800
downtown businesses and employees and

3101
02:20:22,800 --> 02:20:25,680
open the permit enrollment process. As

3102
02:20:25,680 --> 02:20:27,520
the program gets underway, staff will

3103
02:20:27,520 --> 02:20:29,600
continue to monitor permit demand,

3104
02:20:29,600 --> 02:20:31,840
parking utilization, parking cost,

3105
02:20:31,840 --> 02:20:33,680
program costs, and feedback from

3106
02:20:33,680 --> 02:20:36,399
businesses and employees. Based on that

3107
02:20:36,399 --> 02:20:38,479
experience, we can uh we can evaluate

3108
02:20:38,479 --> 02:20:40,319
whether future adjustments to the permit

3109
02:20:40,319 --> 02:20:42,720
fee, number of permits, or designated

3110
02:20:42,720 --> 02:20:47,349
parking locations are appropriate.

3111
02:20:47,359 --> 02:20:49,439
Uh civic engagement will be important

3112
02:20:49,439 --> 02:20:51,200
part of successfully rolling out the

3113
02:20:51,200 --> 02:20:52,720
downtown employee parking permit

3114
02:20:52,720 --> 02:20:54,800
program. Prior to prior to

3115
02:20:54,800 --> 02:20:56,560
implementation, staff will work closely

3116
02:20:56,560 --> 02:20:58,160
with downtown stakeholders [snorts]

3117
02:20:58,160 --> 02:21:00,000
to communicate directly with downtown

3118
02:21:00,000 --> 02:21:02,720
businesses and employees. Our outreach

3119
02:21:02,720 --> 02:21:05,200
will focus on explaining uh eligibility,

3120
02:21:05,200 --> 02:21:07,439
where the permits can be used, the cost

3121
02:21:07,439 --> 02:21:09,200
of the permit, and how employees can

3122
02:21:09,200 --> 02:21:11,680
enroll in the program. As the program

3123
02:21:11,680 --> 02:21:13,680
launches, staff will also be available

3124
02:21:13,680 --> 02:21:15,439
to provide one-on-one assistance to

3125
02:21:15,439 --> 02:21:17,520
businesses and employees to help with

3126
02:21:17,520 --> 02:21:19,520
the application process, answer

3127
02:21:19,520 --> 02:21:21,359
questions, and address any issues that

3128
02:21:21,359 --> 02:21:24,000
come up. Our outreach will continue

3129
02:21:24,000 --> 02:21:26,240
after implementation. Staff will gather

3130
02:21:26,240 --> 02:21:28,240
feedback from businesses and employees

3131
02:21:28,240 --> 02:21:30,720
and monitor permit participation and

3132
02:21:30,720 --> 02:21:32,640
parking utilization and make any

3133
02:21:32,640 --> 02:21:36,399
necessary modifications needed.

3134
02:21:36,399 --> 02:21:38,080
Uh the recommendations for this item

3135
02:21:38,080 --> 02:21:40,000
supports the uh strategic priority of

3136
02:21:40,000 --> 02:21:42,560
infrastructure and economic vitality and

3137
02:21:42,560 --> 02:21:44,880
development and the focus area of

3138
02:21:44,880 --> 02:21:46,399
continue to maintain and improve the

3139
02:21:46,399 --> 02:21:48,160
conditions of roads, water, storm

3140
02:21:48,160 --> 02:21:49,920
drains, parks, municipal facilities and

3141
02:21:49,920 --> 02:21:53,200
main street moves infrastructure.

3142
02:21:53,200 --> 02:21:55,280
Uh so the recommendations before council

3143
02:21:55,280 --> 02:21:57,120
tonight is A through D on the next two

3144
02:21:57,120 --> 02:21:59,359
slides which is to conduct a public

3145
02:21:59,359 --> 02:22:01,600
hearing introduce and wave the first

3146
02:22:01,600 --> 02:22:03,439
reading of an ordinance amending Sanborn

3147
02:22:03,439 --> 02:22:05,040
of Ventur Municipal Code section

3148
02:22:05,040 --> 02:22:07,200
16210.070

3149
02:22:07,200 --> 02:22:10,000
and 16215.030

3150
02:22:10,000 --> 02:22:11,840
adopt a resolution establishing a

3151
02:22:11,840 --> 02:22:13,680
downtown employee employee parking

3152
02:22:13,680 --> 02:22:15,840
permit fee and find that adopting the

3153
02:22:15,840 --> 02:22:17,680
ordinance and resolution is exempt from

3154
02:22:17,680 --> 02:22:19,120
the California Environmental Quality

3155
02:22:19,120 --> 02:22:20,640
Act.

3156
02:22:20,640 --> 02:22:22,160
And with that, we're available for any

3157
02:22:22,160 --> 02:22:25,200
questions that you may have. Thank you.

3158
02:22:25,200 --> 02:22:28,080
>> Thank you for your presentation. Um,

3159
02:22:28,080 --> 02:22:30,399
Council Member Duran, I have you on

3160
02:22:30,399 --> 02:22:31,040
quue.

3161
02:22:31,040 --> 02:22:32,479
>> Thank you, Madame Mayor, and thank you

3162
02:22:32,479 --> 02:22:35,120
very much, staff, for your um for your

3163
02:22:35,120 --> 02:22:37,520
report tonight. A couple of quick

3164
02:22:37,520 --> 02:22:40,080
questions. Um, so if I read this

3165
02:22:40,080 --> 02:22:41,680
correctly, if they stay beyond 90

3166
02:22:41,680 --> 02:22:44,080
minutes, then they pay uh there really

3167
02:22:44,080 --> 02:22:46,080
is no free parking for 90 minutes. Is

3168
02:22:46,080 --> 02:22:47,840
that correct? Do they stay for?

3169
02:22:47,840 --> 02:22:50,720
>> Correct. The the current program um as

3170
02:22:50,720 --> 02:22:52,640
we went to council in I believe it was

3171
02:22:52,640 --> 02:22:54,800
April was to similar to the Ventura

3172
02:22:54,800 --> 02:22:57,359
Harbor uh was the first 90 minutes is

3173
02:22:57,359 --> 02:22:59,040
free as long as you stay for 90 minutes

3174
02:22:59,040 --> 02:23:01,040
or less. Once you go over that 90

3175
02:23:01,040 --> 02:23:02,560
minutes, then you pay for the first 90

3176
02:23:02,560 --> 02:23:04,160
minutes.

3177
02:23:04,160 --> 02:23:05,680
>> So you stay longer than 90 minutes.

3178
02:23:05,680 --> 02:23:07,600
There is no free 90 minutes.

3179
02:23:07,600 --> 02:23:11,429
>> Correct.

3180
02:23:11,439 --> 02:23:14,790
» Okay.

3181
02:23:14,800 --> 02:23:17,920
I don't know. It just okay does it just

3182
02:23:17,920 --> 02:23:21,680
doesn't sound right. Um it just it

3183
02:23:21,680 --> 02:23:23,359
doesn't sound right to me. Uh the other

3184
02:23:23,359 --> 02:23:24,560
question I have for you is how many

3185
02:23:24,560 --> 02:23:26,479
businesses and employees uh were

3186
02:23:26,479 --> 02:23:30,240
surveyed before setting the $35 fee?

3187
02:23:30,240 --> 02:23:32,720
>> We uh in the fall we had a a pretty

3188
02:23:32,720 --> 02:23:34,880
robust uh downtown employee parking

3189
02:23:34,880 --> 02:23:37,280
permit survey. So we didn't survey the

3190
02:23:37,280 --> 02:23:39,200
fee necessarily, but what we got out of

3191
02:23:39,200 --> 02:23:41,520
that was that employees were having

3192
02:23:41,520 --> 02:23:43,760
issues with the recently converted lots

3193
02:23:43,760 --> 02:23:47,680
over the four hours. And so in order to

3194
02:23:47,680 --> 02:23:49,280
um work with the business community and

3195
02:23:49,280 --> 02:23:51,920
the employees, we are working with this

3196
02:23:51,920 --> 02:23:53,600
employee permit program to allow

3197
02:23:53,600 --> 02:23:55,840
employees to obtain the permit if they

3198
02:23:55,840 --> 02:23:57,920
would like to park in lots that are four

3199
02:23:57,920 --> 02:24:00,000
hours and they could stay all day. One

3200
02:24:00,000 --> 02:24:01,840
of the things from the surveys was that

3201
02:24:01,840 --> 02:24:03,760
people were coming out midshift to have

3202
02:24:03,760 --> 02:24:06,560
to move their cars um in order to uh

3203
02:24:06,560 --> 02:24:08,319
stay close to their work. They could

3204
02:24:08,319 --> 02:24:10,240
always park in in lots outside of the

3205
02:24:10,240 --> 02:24:11,840
area where we have longer eight hour all

3206
02:24:11,840 --> 02:24:13,760
day parking.

3207
02:24:13,760 --> 02:24:15,520
I guess my concern with that is if

3208
02:24:15,520 --> 02:24:18,080
you're making minimum wage and you're

3209
02:24:18,080 --> 02:24:20,880
paying $420 a year in parking, that's

3210
02:24:20,880 --> 02:24:23,920
kind of a substantial amount, you know.

3211
02:24:23,920 --> 02:24:26,080
So, and if you said you haven't served

3212
02:24:26,080 --> 02:24:29,680
any employers or employees, I um I know

3213
02:24:29,680 --> 02:24:33,120
the $35 isn't recouping all the costs. I

3214
02:24:33,120 --> 02:24:34,560
think you said I think the report's at

3215
02:24:34,560 --> 02:24:36,880
88 bucks or something like that. Um but

3216
02:24:36,880 --> 02:24:38,319
still, that's a big hit for people that

3217
02:24:38,319 --> 02:24:39,840
are making low income. And I'm just

3218
02:24:39,840 --> 02:24:42,000
curious, how many downtown employees are

3219
02:24:42,000 --> 02:24:44,160
expected to want permits and do we have

3220
02:24:44,160 --> 02:24:45,120
enough spaces?

3221
02:24:45,120 --> 02:24:49,120
>> We That's a great question. Um I asked

3222
02:24:49,120 --> 02:24:50,319
I'm thinking these are going to be

3223
02:24:50,319 --> 02:24:52,720
mostly service employees that come later

3224
02:24:52,720 --> 02:24:55,840
in the day. Um we do have lots of

3225
02:24:55,840 --> 02:24:58,000
businesses that start early in the

3226
02:24:58,000 --> 02:25:00,160
morning and a lot of those employees and

3227
02:25:00,160 --> 02:25:01,760
I know several of them come in in the

3228
02:25:01,760 --> 02:25:02,960
morning and there's plenty of space

3229
02:25:02,960 --> 02:25:04,880
spaces for them to to park in the eight

3230
02:25:04,880 --> 02:25:07,040
hour lots. I really think it's going to

3231
02:25:07,040 --> 02:25:10,240
be the the the restaurants, the movie

3232
02:25:10,240 --> 02:25:11,680
theater, those types of businesses that

3233
02:25:11,680 --> 02:25:14,319
will be interested in this permit. Um I

3234
02:25:14,319 --> 02:25:17,520
estimated around 60. Um there's 240

3235
02:25:17,520 --> 02:25:19,840
spaces in the downtown core with

3236
02:25:19,840 --> 02:25:22,800
fourhour lots. Um I also looked at in

3237
02:25:22,800 --> 02:25:26,160
talking to economic development um over

3238
02:25:26,160 --> 02:25:28,720
um I think it was a two-month span we

3239
02:25:28,720 --> 02:25:34,000
had 800 um individual parking um transa

3240
02:25:34,000 --> 02:25:35,760
not transactions but people that came in

3241
02:25:35,760 --> 02:25:40,399
that were able to identify they were parkers of those 800 there's

3242
02:25:40,399 --> 02:25:42,880
about three 30% of businesses downtown

3243
02:25:42,880 --> 02:25:44,720
according to the survey that are

3244
02:25:44,720 --> 02:25:46,319
serviceorientated

3245
02:25:46,319 --> 02:25:49,760
so I took that got 240 and then took

3246
02:25:49,760 --> 02:25:51,920
about 25% % of those people wanting a

3247
02:25:51,920 --> 02:25:53,200
permit. So that's how I ended up with

3248
02:25:53,200 --> 02:25:55,439
60. So that's that's the number that we

3249
02:25:55,439 --> 02:25:57,359
went with as far as what we think we're

3250
02:25:57,359 --> 02:25:58,399
going to be having, but it could be

3251
02:25:58,399 --> 02:26:00,640
more, it could be less. Um, and just

3252
02:26:00,640 --> 02:26:03,359
talking to people that I know downtown.

3253
02:26:03,359 --> 02:26:05,040
Some people may not be interested in

3254
02:26:05,040 --> 02:26:06,640
this. There's people that are just that

3255
02:26:06,640 --> 02:26:07,920
already have their parking spot, they

3256
02:26:07,920 --> 02:26:09,760
know where to go, they have the all day.

3257
02:26:09,760 --> 02:26:11,760
Um, so it's going to be interesting to

3258
02:26:11,760 --> 02:26:13,359
see how many people do and we will

3259
02:26:13,359 --> 02:26:15,920
adjust the program ne as needed.

3260
02:26:15,920 --> 02:26:19,040
>> Okay. Thank you so much.

3261
02:26:19,040 --> 02:26:22,960
Thank you, Council Member Compos.

3262
02:26:22,960 --> 02:26:26,080
>> So, Mr. Herford, I know that the parking

3263
02:26:26,080 --> 02:26:27,760
issue has been something you've been

3264
02:26:27,760 --> 02:26:30,479
working on for years. I I'm sure it's

3265
02:26:30,479 --> 02:26:33,200
like having a child that's stuck in the

3266
02:26:33,200 --> 02:26:37,120
terrible twos for 26 years. But these

3267
02:26:37,120 --> 02:26:39,760
questions are important because we've

3268
02:26:39,760 --> 02:26:42,720
been emailed by a lot of business owners

3269
02:26:42,720 --> 02:26:46,399
and a lot of employees who are very

3270
02:26:46,399 --> 02:26:49,760
concerned about this issue. Partly, as

3271
02:26:49,760 --> 02:26:52,160
council member Duran said, they're on

3272
02:26:52,160 --> 02:26:54,160
minimum wage income and they don't see

3273
02:26:54,160 --> 02:26:56,640
being able to continue paying their rent

3274
02:26:56,640 --> 02:26:58,720
and feeding their own children and

3275
02:26:58,720 --> 02:27:03,520
paying $35 for parking. So, some of the

3276
02:27:03,520 --> 02:27:08,240
business owners said to me on July 10th,

3277
02:27:08,240 --> 02:27:11,760
they were told in an email or in written

3278
02:27:11,760 --> 02:27:13,520
form

3279
02:27:13,520 --> 02:27:16,479
that

3280
02:27:16,479 --> 02:27:18,720
the business parking survey that was

3281
02:27:18,720 --> 02:27:22,000
done will be incorporated while

3282
02:27:22,000 --> 02:27:24,319
developing the program directly with

3283
02:27:24,319 --> 02:27:26,720
interested stakeholders.

3284
02:27:26,720 --> 02:27:28,800
None of them feel like they've had good

3285
02:27:28,800 --> 02:27:31,359
outreach. the the interested

3286
02:27:31,359 --> 02:27:33,040
stakeholders.

3287
02:27:33,040 --> 02:27:35,920
So, a lot of their emails are asking to

3288
02:27:35,920 --> 02:27:38,000
delay the

3289
02:27:38,000 --> 02:27:41,600
um the coastal permit until you have

3290
02:27:41,600 --> 02:27:44,080
some kind of engagement with them so

3291
02:27:44,080 --> 02:27:45,840
that they can understand how they can

3292
02:27:45,840 --> 02:27:48,640
best keep their employees

3293
02:27:48,640 --> 02:27:50,399
working for them while doing this

3294
02:27:50,399 --> 02:27:51,120
parking.

3295
02:27:51,120 --> 02:27:53,600
>> Sure.

3296
02:27:53,600 --> 02:27:56,319
>> My So, this permit is I I see this

3297
02:27:56,319 --> 02:27:58,160
permit as sort of an interim permit. The

3298
02:27:58,160 --> 02:27:59,600
real permit is going to come if we

3299
02:27:59,600 --> 02:28:01,600
expand paid parking. If we expand paid

3300
02:28:01,600 --> 02:28:03,280
parking in those lots, this permit will

3301
02:28:03,280 --> 02:28:05,760
be it's going to be a big discussion

3302
02:28:05,760 --> 02:28:07,439
about what the cost is because that'll

3303
02:28:07,439 --> 02:28:10,479
also allow uh um employees to not pay

3304
02:28:10,479 --> 02:28:12,960
the not pay the parking fee by hour. So,

3305
02:28:12,960 --> 02:28:14,800
that's going to be the ultimate permit.

3306
02:28:14,800 --> 02:28:17,040
This permit here is just to allow people

3307
02:28:17,040 --> 02:28:19,280
that that want to have the choice to to

3308
02:28:19,280 --> 02:28:21,200
park in an eight hour park in a four-h

3309
02:28:21,200 --> 02:28:23,439
hour lot all day. That's the only thing

3310
02:28:23,439 --> 02:28:25,760
this permit does. And

3311
02:28:25,760 --> 02:28:28,399
>> so for employees that make enough money,

3312
02:28:28,399 --> 02:28:30,399
they can have a permit. The others

3313
02:28:30,399 --> 02:28:31,520
can't.

3314
02:28:31,520 --> 02:28:33,200
>> They'll have to park in peripheral

3315
02:28:33,200 --> 02:28:34,319
>> and they're doing that now. I mean,

3316
02:28:34,319 --> 02:28:36,319
right now, people are juggling that,

3317
02:28:36,319 --> 02:28:38,080
finding parking spaces. This is

3318
02:28:38,080 --> 02:28:39,600
something that could be helpful for

3319
02:28:39,600 --> 02:28:40,880
those people that do want to pay for

3320
02:28:40,880 --> 02:28:41,840
that permit.

3321
02:28:41,840 --> 02:28:45,520
>> Okay. Thank you for that. Also, I know

3322
02:28:45,520 --> 02:28:47,840
that it wasn't a key thing in the

3323
02:28:47,840 --> 02:28:49,760
agenda, but you did mention it at the

3324
02:28:49,760 --> 02:28:52,080
beginning of the presentation, the

3325
02:28:52,080 --> 02:28:54,240
90minute parking.

3326
02:28:54,240 --> 02:28:57,600
I I was the one who suggested that we go

3327
02:28:57,600 --> 02:29:00,960
beyond 60 to 90 minutes. The reason for

3328
02:29:00,960 --> 02:29:03,920
that is because of the layout of Main

3329
02:29:03,920 --> 02:29:07,439
Street, 90 minutes will generally allow

3330
02:29:07,439 --> 02:29:10,399
someone to go do some shopping and get a

3331
02:29:10,399 --> 02:29:13,200
meal, but no one has any control about

3332
02:29:13,200 --> 02:29:16,000
how slow a kitchen is or how bad the

3333
02:29:16,000 --> 02:29:19,040
weight staff is on a certain day. So

3334
02:29:19,040 --> 02:29:21,520
giving people the idea that they have 90

3335
02:29:21,520 --> 02:29:24,880
minutes free and then taking it away is

3336
02:29:24,880 --> 02:29:27,920
not a good way for us to operate. I

3337
02:29:27,920 --> 02:29:31,280
think we can just raise the fee after 90

3338
02:29:31,280 --> 02:29:34,080
minutes if we're trying to recover more

3339
02:29:34,080 --> 02:29:37,200
money. Go from a dollar an hour to a$150

3340
02:29:37,200 --> 02:29:39,840
an hour or whatever we have to do. But

3341
02:29:39,840 --> 02:29:42,720
let everybody have the 90 minutes free.

3342
02:29:42,720 --> 02:29:45,439
I would hope that you will consider that

3343
02:29:45,439 --> 02:29:48,319
in the midst of preparing your your

3344
02:29:48,319 --> 02:29:52,070
coastal permit.

3345
02:29:52,080 --> 02:29:53,760
» Thank you, Deputy Mayor Halter.

3346
02:29:53,760 --> 02:29:54,960
>> Thank you, Madam Mayor, and thank you,

3347
02:29:54,960 --> 02:29:57,520
staff. Um, let's see. Uh, going along

3348
02:29:57,520 --> 02:29:59,680
the same lines, I know that we enacted

3349
02:29:59,680 --> 02:30:01,920
the 90 minutes free already. Have we had

3350
02:30:01,920 --> 02:30:04,560
any complaints about how about that

3351
02:30:04,560 --> 02:30:06,000
program?

3352
02:30:06,000 --> 02:30:08,800
>> The only um Thank you for the question.

3353
02:30:08,800 --> 02:30:12,319
I haven't directly received other than

3354
02:30:12,319 --> 02:30:13,760
just the comments about why can't the

3355
02:30:13,760 --> 02:30:16,240
first 90 minutes be free free. Um the

3356
02:30:16,240 --> 02:30:18,560
one thing I have heard is people not and

3357
02:30:18,560 --> 02:30:20,479
we have this on our signs is not

3358
02:30:20,479 --> 02:30:22,319
realizing they have to actually register

3359
02:30:22,319 --> 02:30:24,479
their vehicle even if they think they're

3360
02:30:24,479 --> 02:30:26,080
going to be here for half an hour.

3361
02:30:26,080 --> 02:30:28,399
People still customers still need to go

3362
02:30:28,399 --> 02:30:29,680
in and put their license plate in

3363
02:30:29,680 --> 02:30:30,960
because that's the only way we can

3364
02:30:30,960 --> 02:30:33,040
enforce. So, I think there's been a

3365
02:30:33,040 --> 02:30:34,640
little confusion with that potentially,

3366
02:30:34,640 --> 02:30:36,720
but on our signs, we do say when you

3367
02:30:36,720 --> 02:30:39,520
arrive, enter your license plate. Um, so

3368
02:30:39,520 --> 02:30:41,359
there could be some education component

3369
02:30:41,359 --> 02:30:42,080
to that.

3370
02:30:42,080 --> 02:30:44,240
>> And, uh, I sit on the DVP as a

3371
02:30:44,240 --> 02:30:46,800
representative from council. And, uh, it

3372
02:30:46,800 --> 02:30:48,399
was a big concern. I think they reached

3373
02:30:48,399 --> 02:30:50,800
out to you if I'm not mistaken. Um, a

3374
02:30:50,800 --> 02:30:53,120
big concern, a big discussion that, uh,

3375
02:30:53,120 --> 02:30:54,479
would it happened to be the first day

3376
02:30:54,479 --> 02:30:56,560
that we implemented the new meters and

3377
02:30:56,560 --> 02:30:58,800
so it was already in force. But the

3378
02:30:58,800 --> 02:31:01,359
question uh that I really couldn't

3379
02:31:01,359 --> 02:31:04,399
answer is exactly what uh council member

3380
02:31:04,399 --> 02:31:06,800
Compost said is that instead of

3381
02:31:06,800 --> 02:31:09,040
backcharging for that 90 minutes, why

3382
02:31:09,040 --> 02:31:11,680
didn't we just consider doing a$125 or

3383
02:31:11,680 --> 02:31:12,960
something for the hours there

3384
02:31:12,960 --> 02:31:16,960
thereafter? Um because it really does it

3385
02:31:16,960 --> 02:31:21,040
doesn't look real honest.

3386
02:31:21,040 --> 02:31:23,600
You know, I know the intent is but it

3387
02:31:23,600 --> 02:31:26,319
just doesn't appear that way.

3388
02:31:26,319 --> 02:31:28,080
So is it what was the thought process in

3389
02:31:28,080 --> 02:31:28,720
doing it that way?

3390
02:31:28,720 --> 02:31:32,319
>> Well, the actually the um that the idea

3391
02:31:32,319 --> 02:31:34,720
of the 60 minute free was brought by

3392
02:31:34,720 --> 02:31:36,720
PAC, the parking advisory committee.

3393
02:31:36,720 --> 02:31:37,120
>> Oh,

3394
02:31:37,120 --> 02:31:39,200
>> so that was brought by PAC and so in

3395
02:31:39,200 --> 02:31:41,600
April I brought that to council and the

3396
02:31:41,600 --> 02:31:44,000
motion at PAC was to do it how the

3397
02:31:44,000 --> 02:31:46,080
harbor does it where just like the

3398
02:31:46,080 --> 02:31:47,840
harbor they have the same scheme but

3399
02:31:47,840 --> 02:31:50,640
they just do 60 minutes where um if you

3400
02:31:50,640 --> 02:31:52,399
stay beyond 60 minutes you pay for the

3401
02:31:52,399 --> 02:31:55,280
first 60 minutes. And so I think to be

3402
02:31:55,280 --> 02:31:58,000
consistent with that and using that that

3403
02:31:58,000 --> 02:32:01,760
idea that was brought forward from PAC

3404
02:32:01,760 --> 02:32:03,680
to staff and then that was brought to

3405
02:32:03,680 --> 02:32:04,880
council.

3406
02:32:04,880 --> 02:32:08,240
>> And so uh tonight though this is about

3407
02:32:08,240 --> 02:32:11,680
allowing for employee parking permit at

3408
02:32:11,680 --> 02:32:14,399
$35 for the existing meters that exist.

3409
02:32:14,399 --> 02:32:16,560
It's not about agreeing to expand paid

3410
02:32:16,560 --> 02:32:17,840
parking at this point in time.

3411
02:32:17,840 --> 02:32:19,680
>> Correct. This is just setting up the the

3412
02:32:19,680 --> 02:32:22,080
it's three-fold. It's um to allow the

3413
02:32:22,080 --> 02:32:24,240
public works director or designate to

3414
02:32:24,240 --> 02:32:26,399
make time limit changes um in our

3415
02:32:26,399 --> 02:32:29,040
downtown lots to clarify that also to

3416
02:32:29,040 --> 02:32:31,680
set the framework up if council chooses

3417
02:32:31,680 --> 02:32:34,000
to expand paid parking to allow for

3418
02:32:34,000 --> 02:32:36,160
that. It's not expanding paid parking at

3419
02:32:36,160 --> 02:32:37,840
this point. And then it's also to set

3420
02:32:37,840 --> 02:32:39,439
the framework for the employee parking

3421
02:32:39,439 --> 02:32:40,399
permit program.

3422
02:32:40,399 --> 02:32:42,960
>> And one final question is that uh we've

3423
02:32:42,960 --> 02:32:45,680
had many discussions about paid parking.

3424
02:32:45,680 --> 02:32:48,880
how much we're on street off street in

3425
02:32:48,880 --> 02:32:52,240
city-owned parking lots and uh I think

3426
02:32:52,240 --> 02:32:54,880
part of the equation I I have heard the

3427
02:32:54,880 --> 02:32:56,160
same thing when people they feel they

3428
02:32:56,160 --> 02:32:59,680
didn't uh give input to this uh parking

3429
02:32:59,680 --> 02:33:02,720
fee parking permit um but I'm wondering

3430
02:33:02,720 --> 02:33:04,319
I think part of the equation is really

3431
02:33:04,319 --> 02:33:07,120
about how far away would an employee

3432
02:33:07,120 --> 02:33:08,960
have to park

3433
02:33:08,960 --> 02:33:13,040
um uh in looking at the future what we

3434
02:33:13,040 --> 02:33:15,359
might charge out there uh for them to

3435
02:33:15,359 --> 02:33:16,880
get free parking.

3436
02:33:16,880 --> 02:33:19,439
>> The the current vision of the expansion

3437
02:33:19,439 --> 02:33:20,960
of paid parking has been shared with

3438
02:33:20,960 --> 02:33:23,280
council was only to do the expansion in

3439
02:33:23,280 --> 02:33:25,120
the downtown core. So basically from

3440
02:33:25,120 --> 02:33:28,096
Poli down to uh Santa Clara and then

3441
02:33:28,096 --> 02:33:31,280
[clears throat] from uh Fur over to uh

3442
02:33:31,280 --> 02:33:34,000
Palm those those lots in there. So it's

3443
02:33:34,000 --> 02:33:35,920
about and the and the existing downtown

3444
02:33:35,920 --> 02:33:36,880
parking structure

3445
02:33:36,880 --> 02:33:39,040
>> and the streets in that area as well.

3446
02:33:39,040 --> 02:33:40,479
some meters

3447
02:33:40,479 --> 02:33:43,200
>> uh not not to expand just we would keep

3448
02:33:43,200 --> 02:33:45,120
the existing on street paid parking

3449
02:33:45,120 --> 02:33:47,840
spaces not expand that um and it equals

3450
02:33:47,840 --> 02:33:49,920
about a thousand new parking spaces that

3451
02:33:49,920 --> 02:33:52,319
would be paid five about 500 in the

3452
02:33:52,319 --> 02:33:54,479
existing downtown structure and then 500

3453
02:33:54,479 --> 02:33:55,600
in those surface lots

3454
02:33:55,600 --> 02:33:57,760
>> so if you're a business employee

3455
02:33:57,760 --> 02:33:59,760
somewhere along Main Street and you want

3456
02:33:59,760 --> 02:34:01,840
in free parking the way what we've

3457
02:34:01,840 --> 02:34:03,439
already we discussed but we're going to

3458
02:34:03,439 --> 02:34:05,920
discuss again before we expand it uh if

3459
02:34:05,920 --> 02:34:08,560
we choose to do so is uh they have to

3460
02:34:08,560 --> 02:34:10,800
walk beyond Santa Clara Street to get to

3461
02:34:10,800 --> 02:34:11,520
free parking.

3462
02:34:11,520 --> 02:34:12,160
>> That's correct.

3463
02:34:12,160 --> 02:34:13,840
>> Okay. All right. Those are all my

3464
02:34:13,840 --> 02:34:16,080
questions right now. Thanks.

3465
02:34:16,080 --> 02:34:17,680
>> Thank you, Council Member Mcrenolds,

3466
02:34:17,680 --> 02:34:19,920
followed by Council Member Schumacher.

3467
02:34:19,920 --> 02:34:24,479
>> Thank you, Madam Mayor. Uh, so

3468
02:34:24,479 --> 02:34:26,240
regarding the 90 minutes, I still think

3469
02:34:26,240 --> 02:34:28,240
we're doing it backwards. It should be

3470
02:34:28,240 --> 02:34:31,200
first 90 minutes you pay and the second

3471
02:34:31,200 --> 02:34:33,200
90 minutes is free so that we encourage

3472
02:34:33,200 --> 02:34:35,840
people to stay downtown. So, I just want

3473
02:34:35,840 --> 02:34:37,120
to put that out that I think we're doing

3474
02:34:37,120 --> 02:34:39,680
it backwards, but uh can we go to slide

3475
02:34:39,680 --> 02:34:41,600
five because I want to focus in on the

3476
02:34:41,600 --> 02:34:43,840
uh employee

3477
02:34:43,840 --> 02:34:47,120
parking. So, so my first question

3478
02:34:47,120 --> 02:34:52,399
is why does it cost $88 to do the fully

3479
02:34:52,399 --> 02:34:55,439
uh burden cost recovery? The 88 was um

3480
02:34:55,439 --> 02:34:57,359
based on what we worked with Clear

3481
02:34:57,359 --> 02:35:01,120
Source on developing a fee. And so we

3482
02:35:01,120 --> 02:35:04,880
estimated staff time. Um and we had a

3483
02:35:04,880 --> 02:35:07,040
our parking

3484
02:35:07,040 --> 02:35:08,960
we had two staff that would be working

3485
02:35:08,960 --> 02:35:11,680
on this on this program. And so there

3486
02:35:11,680 --> 02:35:14,800
was a a combined fee hourly fee for

3487
02:35:14,800 --> 02:35:17,920
those two employees of $132

3488
02:35:17,920 --> 02:35:20,160
um times 40 minutes basically. And so

3489
02:35:20,160 --> 02:35:22,960
that's how we came up with the 88 $88.

3490
02:35:22,960 --> 02:35:24,960
So, and then so it's and how many

3491
02:35:24,960 --> 02:35:26,399
parking spaces are we reserving for

3492
02:35:26,399 --> 02:35:27,359
employees? Potentially,

3493
02:35:27,359 --> 02:35:29,120
>> the only the only spots that would be

3494
02:35:29,120 --> 02:35:32,319
reserved for for these permits would be

3495
02:35:32,319 --> 02:35:34,479
20 spaces initially in the in the

3496
02:35:34,479 --> 02:35:37,359
parking structure. The other spaces in

3497
02:35:37,359 --> 02:35:39,680
the in the surface lots, they would just

3498
02:35:39,680 --> 02:35:41,920
be they would remain regular timelmited

3499
02:35:41,920 --> 02:35:44,240
parking spaces. Now, if you had a

3500
02:35:44,240 --> 02:35:46,479
permit, you would be able to stay in a

3501
02:35:46,479 --> 02:35:48,720
4-hour lot for eight hours. How many of

3502
02:35:48,720 --> 02:35:51,439
those 4hour permits do you think we're

3503
02:35:51,439 --> 02:35:52,560
we would sell?

3504
02:35:52,560 --> 02:35:55,520
>> I'm estimating about 60, but

3505
02:35:55,520 --> 02:35:58,000
>> plus the 20 or just total of 60?

3506
02:35:58,000 --> 02:36:00,479
>> 60 total permits is what I'm thinking

3507
02:36:00,479 --> 02:36:03,280
we're going to end up sending out.

3508
02:36:03,280 --> 02:36:06,720
>> So 60 total permits at $88

3509
02:36:06,720 --> 02:36:10,560
a month multiplied by 12 months. So this

3510
02:36:10,560 --> 02:36:13,439
program will cost $64,000 to administer

3511
02:36:13,439 --> 02:36:14,640
annually is the

3512
02:36:14,640 --> 02:36:16,240
>> that's the estimate. Yes.

3513
02:36:16,240 --> 02:36:19,200
>> Okay. And that also include well there's

3514
02:36:19,200 --> 02:36:20,960
also in there that we didn't include it

3515
02:36:20,960 --> 02:36:22,560
but there's also enforcement that's

3516
02:36:22,560 --> 02:36:24,399
going to be in there. So but yes that is

3517
02:36:24,399 --> 02:36:26,640
the estimate we came up with. Okay. So

3518
02:36:26,640 --> 02:36:31,760
then if we do 60 permits at $35

3519
02:36:31,760 --> 02:36:35,520
uh times 12. So we're we're doing

3520
02:36:35,520 --> 02:36:38,000
$25,000.

3521
02:36:38,000 --> 02:36:40,880
So I buy one of those permits.

3522
02:36:40,880 --> 02:36:43,120
What do I get

3523
02:36:43,120 --> 02:36:46,160
for being part of this $25,000? So, let

3524
02:36:46,160 --> 02:36:48,080
me give you a real world scenario. I

3525
02:36:48,080 --> 02:36:49,920
work at CineArk.

3526
02:36:49,920 --> 02:36:51,760
The last showing of Spider-Man starts

3527
02:36:51,760 --> 02:36:54,000
tonight at 10:30 and it goes for two and

3528
02:36:54,000 --> 02:36:57,439
a half hours. So, at 1:00 a.m. I'm

3529
02:36:57,439 --> 02:37:00,240
walking out of CineArk. What do I get

3530
02:37:00,240 --> 02:37:01,840
for my $35?

3531
02:37:01,840 --> 02:37:04,160
>> So, and that's a great example that we

3532
02:37:04,160 --> 02:37:05,680
have. I've actually talked to the movie

3533
02:37:05,680 --> 02:37:08,160
theater. A lot of their employees park

3534
02:37:08,160 --> 02:37:10,720
right behind the theater behind BFA.

3535
02:37:10,720 --> 02:37:12,720
Now, that lot was an eight eight hour

3536
02:37:12,720 --> 02:37:15,120
lot and when we converted that to 4

3537
02:37:15,120 --> 02:37:16,800
hour, that disrupted a lot of the

3538
02:37:16,800 --> 02:37:19,600
employees there. So, they mid break or

3539
02:37:19,600 --> 02:37:20,960
during their break, they come out and

3540
02:37:20,960 --> 02:37:23,680
move their car around just to avoid a

3541
02:37:23,680 --> 02:37:26,000
ticket. And so, now with this hang,

3542
02:37:26,000 --> 02:37:27,359
we're going to start with hang tags.

3543
02:37:27,359 --> 02:37:28,880
They will be able to park in that 4-hour

3544
02:37:28,880 --> 02:37:31,840
lot and and they would have a permit so

3545
02:37:31,840 --> 02:37:33,120
they wouldn't have to be moving their

3546
02:37:33,120 --> 02:37:35,200
vehicle mid shift. Their vehicle, they

3547
02:37:35,200 --> 02:37:36,800
would be able to stay there for the

3548
02:37:36,800 --> 02:37:37,680
their full shift.

3549
02:37:37,680 --> 02:37:40,160
>> So, I I get that. I understand what you

3550
02:37:40,160 --> 02:37:42,240
just said, but now I'm paying for

3551
02:37:42,240 --> 02:37:44,479
something that I was even if I was

3552
02:37:44,479 --> 02:37:47,120
willing to move my car midshift

3553
02:37:47,120 --> 02:37:49,680
on it. So now I'm paying for something.

3554
02:37:49,680 --> 02:37:51,920
Am I getting anything? What's what's my

3555
02:37:51,920 --> 02:37:53,520
value ad? What's the bang for my buck?

3556
02:37:53,520 --> 02:37:56,000
Am I getting security? Am I getting the

3557
02:37:56,000 --> 02:37:57,920
parking structure clean? Like what are

3558
02:37:57,920 --> 02:38:01,280
we doing with this $25,000

3559
02:38:01,280 --> 02:38:04,800
besides filling out permit?

3560
02:38:04,800 --> 02:38:06,240
>> Well, yeah. I mean, it's also

3561
02:38:06,240 --> 02:38:07,840
enforcement and they also are gaining

3562
02:38:07,840 --> 02:38:09,760
the ability to stay in that lot without

3563
02:38:09,760 --> 02:38:11,200
having to move their car. So, they are

3564
02:38:11,200 --> 02:38:13,439
avoiding a potential ticket.

3565
02:38:13,439 --> 02:38:16,560
>> So, so but basically they can avoid that

3566
02:38:16,560 --> 02:38:18,000
ticket by just moving their car mid

3567
02:38:18,000 --> 02:38:18,960
shift. I I just

3568
02:38:18,960 --> 02:38:20,319
>> they don't have to they and they do not

3569
02:38:20,319 --> 02:38:22,160
have to get the permit. If they want to

3570
02:38:22,160 --> 02:38:23,760
continue doing that, they can still do

3571
02:38:23,760 --> 02:38:26,950
that.

3572
02:38:26,960 --> 02:38:31,920
» I guess we're not incentivizing them to do that. Why wouldn't they just

3573
02:38:31,920 --> 02:38:34,319
continue to do what they're doing today?

3574
02:38:34,319 --> 02:38:35,920
I I just I'm questioning what's the

3575
02:38:35,920 --> 02:38:38,240
value at to the employee? I mean, is it

3576
02:38:38,240 --> 02:38:40,319
additional security? Is it, you know, I

3577
02:38:40,319 --> 02:38:43,520
get the uh I clean, you know, we're

3578
02:38:43,520 --> 02:38:45,439
going to clean out the uh parking

3579
02:38:45,439 --> 02:38:47,280
structure, the top 20, you know, when I

3580
02:38:47,280 --> 02:38:48,960
walk in. I don't have to smell urine

3581
02:38:48,960 --> 02:38:50,479
when I walk into the stairwell. I mean,

3582
02:38:50,479 --> 02:38:52,479
what what is the value ad? I guess

3583
02:38:52,479 --> 02:38:54,160
>> the the money will go into the parking

3584
02:38:54,160 --> 02:38:57,040
authority. Um and so there will be

3585
02:38:57,040 --> 02:38:58,880
additional money there for additional

3586
02:38:58,880 --> 02:39:00,560
programs which could include cleaning

3587
02:39:00,560 --> 02:39:02,560
sidewalk security, those types of

3588
02:39:02,560 --> 02:39:03,600
things. I I don't think you said that

3589
02:39:03,600 --> 02:39:04,720
though. I think you said we're going to

3590
02:39:04,720 --> 02:39:07,040
spend 25,000 just to we're actually

3591
02:39:07,040 --> 02:39:09,120
going to spend $60,000

3592
02:39:09,120 --> 02:39:10,880
to administer the program. So, we're not

3593
02:39:10,880 --> 02:39:12,880
even recovering costs. I don't think

3594
02:39:12,880 --> 02:39:14,800
we're we're adding any value. I guess

3595
02:39:14,800 --> 02:39:17,120
that's that's where I struggle. If

3596
02:39:17,120 --> 02:39:19,120
you're a downtown employee and I'm going

3597
02:39:19,120 --> 02:39:20,399
to start charging you for something that

3598
02:39:20,399 --> 02:39:23,600
you already have for free. I I just

3599
02:39:23,600 --> 02:39:26,479
don't get why why aren't we increasing

3600
02:39:26,479 --> 02:39:28,880
security? Why aren't we increasing

3601
02:39:28,880 --> 02:39:32,479
cleanliness? I mean, uh, I I just don't

3602
02:39:32,479 --> 02:39:34,880
Why don't I just do midshift back and

3603
02:39:34,880 --> 02:39:35,760
forth?

3604
02:39:35,760 --> 02:39:37,840
>> Uh, Council Member Mcrenolds, the way I

3605
02:39:37,840 --> 02:39:39,760
see it is, and hopefully I answer your

3606
02:39:39,760 --> 02:39:42,399
question, is that the value that the

3607
02:39:42,399 --> 02:39:45,200
employees receiving is

3608
02:39:45,200 --> 02:39:48,399
very simple is that they would normally

3609
02:39:48,399 --> 02:39:51,040
park for four hours, move their car,

3610
02:39:51,040 --> 02:39:53,920
maybe find another lot or on street, but

3611
02:39:53,920 --> 02:39:55,520
probably have another four hours to have

3612
02:39:55,520 --> 02:39:57,760
to deal with their car. The value is

3613
02:39:57,760 --> 02:40:01,520
they don't with this permit they pay $35

3614
02:40:01,520 --> 02:40:04,000
to not have to pay not have to move that

3615
02:40:04,000 --> 02:40:05,840
car. They can stay there for eight

3616
02:40:05,840 --> 02:40:08,000
hours. That's that's the value to the

3617
02:40:08,000 --> 02:40:10,800
employee. And the challenge is is how

3618
02:40:10,800 --> 02:40:12,399
many people will want to do that. Is

3619
02:40:12,399 --> 02:40:14,960
that enough value to pay that amount of

3620
02:40:14,960 --> 02:40:18,160
money? Um and uh some people may say

3621
02:40:18,160 --> 02:40:19,520
that's great value. I don't want to have

3622
02:40:19,520 --> 02:40:21,760
to move my car. other people may not

3623
02:40:21,760 --> 02:40:23,520
want see that as a value and they're

3624
02:40:23,520 --> 02:40:25,520
happy to move their car and they can do

3625
02:40:25,520 --> 02:40:28,560
the uh 4hour shuffle as it's sometimes

3626
02:40:28,560 --> 02:40:29,520
called.

3627
02:40:29,520 --> 02:40:32,319
>> Um that that's one one part of I think

3628
02:40:32,319 --> 02:40:33,760
what you're driving at. But the other

3629
02:40:33,760 --> 02:40:35,840
part is what do we what are we doing the

3630
02:40:35,840 --> 02:40:41,840
25,000 the revenue that we receive for issuing these permits that will go

3631
02:40:41,840 --> 02:40:44,399
into the parking authority and what it

3632
02:40:44,399 --> 02:40:47,040
pays for is mostly our staff time. And I

3633
02:40:47,040 --> 02:40:49,520
think one of the big things that is

3634
02:40:49,520 --> 02:40:51,439
important to recognize with any permit

3635
02:40:51,439 --> 02:40:52,960
program is there's a significant amount

3636
02:40:52,960 --> 02:40:55,120
of staff time. You have to work with the

3637
02:40:55,120 --> 02:40:57,200
public. We may even have at some point

3638
02:40:57,200 --> 02:40:59,760
as the as these permit pro programs

3639
02:40:59,760 --> 02:41:01,520
expand, we may actually need more

3640
02:41:01,520 --> 02:41:03,520
employees because these are very time

3641
02:41:03,520 --> 02:41:05,760
consuming to administer to work with the

3642
02:41:05,760 --> 02:41:08,080
public put the permits out that kind of

3643
02:41:08,080 --> 02:41:10,160
thing. So, I think that's where the

3644
02:41:10,160 --> 02:41:13,040
$25,000 goes to is trying to be cost

3645
02:41:13,040 --> 02:41:16,240
recoverable in portion, maybe 40% of

3646
02:41:16,240 --> 02:41:18,640
what it costs us to admin administer the

3647
02:41:18,640 --> 02:41:21,359
program. I I guess at the end of the

3648
02:41:21,359 --> 02:41:24,000
day, my my final concern is to Council

3649
02:41:24,000 --> 02:41:26,880
Member Duran's comment is if you're a

3650
02:41:26,880 --> 02:41:29,280
minimum wage employee,

3651
02:41:29,280 --> 02:41:30,560
I just don't see you getting one of

3652
02:41:30,560 --> 02:41:31,840
these permits. I mean, I think your

3653
02:41:31,840 --> 02:41:34,640
managers, your your assistant managers,

3654
02:41:34,640 --> 02:41:35,840
you know, maybe they're going to spend

3655
02:41:35,840 --> 02:41:37,840
the $420 so they don't have to do the

3656
02:41:37,840 --> 02:41:39,600
midship shuffle, but if you're making

3657
02:41:39,600 --> 02:41:41,680
minimum wage, I think, you know, I just

3658
02:41:41,680 --> 02:41:43,520
I don't think we're solving an answer

3659
02:41:43,520 --> 02:41:45,600
yet, you know.

3660
02:41:45,600 --> 02:41:47,600
>> And I agree and that is the council's

3661
02:41:47,600 --> 02:41:49,520
discretion actually to

3662
02:41:49,520 --> 02:41:51,359
>> um actually set a different fee if

3663
02:41:51,359 --> 02:41:53,760
you're if you as a group so desire. And

3664
02:41:53,760 --> 02:41:56,240
also as we move to implement this in the

3665
02:41:56,240 --> 02:41:58,720
future, remember tonight's agenda item

3666
02:41:58,720 --> 02:42:02,000
is to make the municipal code changes uh

3667
02:42:02,000 --> 02:42:04,560
and allow us to get to applying for a

3668
02:42:04,560 --> 02:42:06,319
coastal development permit that then

3669
02:42:06,319 --> 02:42:08,880
after that we go through the uh idea of

3670
02:42:08,880 --> 02:42:11,200
imple implementing these various uh

3671
02:42:11,200 --> 02:42:13,280
programs, expanded paid parking,

3672
02:42:13,280 --> 02:42:15,840
employee paid parking, and at that time

3673
02:42:15,840 --> 02:42:18,000
the city council can make a a policy

3674
02:42:18,000 --> 02:42:20,160
decision on what you think the the

3675
02:42:20,160 --> 02:42:21,920
actual dollar amount should be. We're

3676
02:42:21,920 --> 02:42:23,920
proposing this today so we can get to

3677
02:42:23,920 --> 02:42:25,920
the coastal commission.

3678
02:42:25,920 --> 02:42:27,359
>> I have two other questions, but my time

3679
02:42:27,359 --> 02:42:28,720
is up, so I'm going to let I'll come

3680
02:42:28,720 --> 02:42:29,439
back. Yeah, thank you.

3681
02:42:29,439 --> 02:42:30,560
>> Yeah, I'll come back to you. Thank you.

3682
02:42:30,560 --> 02:42:32,160
Um, council member Schumacher, followed

3683
02:42:32,160 --> 02:42:33,520
by council member Mangon.

3684
02:42:33,520 --> 02:42:35,200
>> Thank you, mayor. Um, thank you, staff,

3685
02:42:35,200 --> 02:42:37,040
for your presentation. Just very quick

3686
02:42:37,040 --> 02:42:39,760
questions and kind of falls along with

3687
02:42:39,760 --> 02:42:42,240
uh the council members who already asked

3688
02:42:42,240 --> 02:42:45,040
these just um additionally

3689
02:42:45,040 --> 02:42:46,640
um

3690
02:42:46,640 --> 02:42:49,920
so just to be clear, this is an optin.

3691
02:42:49,920 --> 02:42:52,560
Um, it's not required for everybody.

3692
02:42:52,560 --> 02:42:54,720
These are just, you know, reserve spots.

3693
02:42:54,720 --> 02:42:56,479
Is that just to confirm?

3694
02:42:56,479 --> 02:42:57,120
>> Correct.

3695
02:42:57,120 --> 02:42:57,680
>> Okay.

3696
02:42:57,680 --> 02:42:58,240
>> Yes.

3697
02:42:58,240 --> 02:42:59,920
>> Okay. And you're estimating that it's

3698
02:42:59,920 --> 02:43:02,000
not for everybody. It's only for like 60

3699
02:43:02,000 --> 02:43:06,960
people who work during the high traffic

3700
02:43:06,960 --> 02:43:09,520
times. And you're estimating that is

3701
02:43:09,520 --> 02:43:11,840
usually during the weekend and also

3702
02:43:11,840 --> 02:43:13,200
during the night time.

3703
02:43:13,200 --> 02:43:13,760
>> Correct.

3704
02:43:13,760 --> 02:43:16,560
>> Okay. I I recommend that you work with

3705
02:43:16,560 --> 02:43:18,720
the communications team to make sure

3706
02:43:18,720 --> 02:43:21,040
that that is very clear and very

3707
02:43:21,040 --> 02:43:24,800
explicit. Um and then uh so uh should

3708
02:43:24,800 --> 02:43:28,080
this pass? Uh on the second part of this

3709
02:43:28,080 --> 02:43:30,800
was it explored that um what about you

3710
02:43:30,800 --> 02:43:32,399
know I go to certain places and there's

3711
02:43:32,399 --> 02:43:34,800
always like these um you know validation

3712
02:43:34,800 --> 02:43:38,720
like was there any um exploration on

3713
02:43:38,720 --> 02:43:40,319
because here's what I here's what I'm

3714
02:43:40,319 --> 02:43:42,399
concerned about. I let's just say

3715
02:43:42,399 --> 02:43:45,200
someone parks at, you know, the the

3716
02:43:45,200 --> 02:43:48,560
parking spot um and they get the 90

3717
02:43:48,560 --> 02:43:50,640
minutes for free and then they don't

3718
02:43:50,640 --> 02:43:53,439
even shop downtown. They, you know, go

3719
02:43:53,439 --> 02:43:55,520
wherever they need to go and then just

3720
02:43:55,520 --> 02:43:56,960
come back in the 90 minutes. What I'm

3721
02:43:56,960 --> 02:43:58,720
trying to do is make sure the people are

3722
02:43:58,720 --> 02:44:00,880
actually helping the businesses

3723
02:44:00,880 --> 02:44:03,840
downtown. So, was that explored that,

3724
02:44:03,840 --> 02:44:06,240
you know, we have validation for the

3725
02:44:06,240 --> 02:44:08,160
certain places that are in the in the

3726
02:44:08,160 --> 02:44:09,600
downtown area?

3727
02:44:09,600 --> 02:44:11,439
We we have validations at the beach

3728
02:44:11,439 --> 02:44:14,640
structure and it's a challenge and so in

3729
02:44:14,640 --> 02:44:16,399
order to implement a validation program

3730
02:44:16,399 --> 02:44:18,640
downtown it's it's a it's a very

3731
02:44:18,640 --> 02:44:20,640
complicated system in order to work with

3732
02:44:20,640 --> 02:44:23,120
floor our parking meters. There is a way

3733
02:44:23,120 --> 02:44:25,600
to do it with our park mobile system

3734
02:44:25,600 --> 02:44:29,359
that um we can hand out codes that is

3735
02:44:29,359 --> 02:44:30,880
possible. It's

3736
02:44:30,880 --> 02:44:33,279
>> and we we have explored that. In fact,

3737
02:44:33,279 --> 02:44:36,240
we we made available several um I think

3738
02:44:36,240 --> 02:44:38,319
a couple hundred codes for Park Mobile

3739
02:44:38,319 --> 02:44:39,920
just for people to test it out.

3740
02:44:39,920 --> 02:44:42,479
>> Yeah. Um so those types of programs we

3741
02:44:42,479 --> 02:44:45,520
can support and do to do an overall um

3742
02:44:45,520 --> 02:44:48,160
validation system very complicated to do

3743
02:44:48,160 --> 02:44:49,840
and that's why I think the 90 minutes or

3744
02:44:49,840 --> 02:44:52,160
60 minutes free came up is it's it's an

3745
02:44:52,160 --> 02:44:53,520
easier way to manage that type of

3746
02:44:53,520 --> 02:44:54,880
>> I mean I think we can do both right

3747
02:44:54,880 --> 02:44:57,600
where we can certainly have I mean a

3748
02:44:57,600 --> 02:44:59,600
movie isn't like an hour and a half

3749
02:44:59,600 --> 02:45:01,600
movies is like two hours three hours if

3750
02:45:01,600 --> 02:45:03,120
you're watching a Zack a Zack Snider

3751
02:45:03,120 --> 02:45:05,359
movie it's like just make sure that like

3752
02:45:05,359 --> 02:45:08,640
we are emphasizing spend time there and

3753
02:45:08,640 --> 02:45:10,720
don't rush I mean That's essentially why

3754
02:45:10,720 --> 02:45:13,439
we're building it out, right? So, um I

3755
02:45:13,439 --> 02:45:15,040
guess that's where I'm and I'm also

3756
02:45:15,040 --> 02:45:16,720
having some concerns about this employee

3757
02:45:16,720 --> 02:45:19,439
parking. I feel like the direction went

3758
02:45:19,439 --> 02:45:22,640
in a totally kind of crazy way and and

3759
02:45:22,640 --> 02:45:25,120
what I was hoping for is that um you

3760
02:45:25,120 --> 02:45:26,640
know

3761
02:45:26,640 --> 02:45:28,960
what I feel like I was hoping for us to

3762
02:45:28,960 --> 02:45:31,120
be able to incentivize people wanting to

3763
02:45:31,120 --> 02:45:34,240
work um and also invest in businesses in

3764
02:45:34,240 --> 02:45:36,560
downtown. Not

3765
02:45:36,560 --> 02:45:38,399
now this is how it's coming across

3766
02:45:38,399 --> 02:45:40,319
friends. uh it's coming across that

3767
02:45:40,319 --> 02:45:41,439
we're punishing these business

3768
02:45:41,439 --> 02:45:42,800
businesses and we're punishing the

3769
02:45:42,800 --> 02:45:45,040
workforce and so that is not the

3770
02:45:45,040 --> 02:45:46,720
direction that I want to go with. I want

3771
02:45:46,720 --> 02:45:49,279
to make sure that people want to, you

3772
02:45:49,279 --> 02:45:51,520
know, essentially be part of downtown

3773
02:45:51,520 --> 02:45:52,720
and what we're trying to build out

3774
02:45:52,720 --> 02:45:56,800
there. So, um uh maybe more exploration

3775
02:45:56,800 --> 02:46:00,800
in regards to um making it free in in a

3776
02:46:00,800 --> 02:46:02,399
way that's more of a like a tiered

3777
02:46:02,399 --> 02:46:04,960
approach. Um I don't know all the

3778
02:46:04,960 --> 02:46:06,880
details of parking for God's sakes. I'm

3779
02:46:06,880 --> 02:46:09,439
not in that industry, but um this is not

3780
02:46:09,439 --> 02:46:13,359
what I was hoping for. So, thank you.

3781
02:46:13,359 --> 02:46:14,880
>> Thank you, Council Member Mangon,

3782
02:46:14,880 --> 02:46:16,160
followed by Council Member Comp.

3783
02:46:16,160 --> 02:46:17,200
>> Thank you, Madam Mayor. Thank you for

3784
02:46:17,200 --> 02:46:18,800
your presentation. Thank my colleagues.

3785
02:46:18,800 --> 02:46:20,880
They asked a lot of the questions I had

3786
02:46:20,880 --> 02:46:23,120
written down. I'd like to talk briefly

3787
02:46:23,120 --> 02:46:25,040
about the

3788
02:46:25,040 --> 02:46:26,640
council kind of piggyback on council

3789
02:46:26,640 --> 02:46:28,160
member Compost's comments. There's a lot

3790
02:46:28,160 --> 02:46:30,240
of confusion around what we're even

3791
02:46:30,240 --> 02:46:33,359
discussing right now. Um tons of emails,

3792
02:46:33,359 --> 02:46:34,800
several phone calls just today or the

3793
02:46:34,800 --> 02:46:38,080
last 48 hours. Um, is it safe to say

3794
02:46:38,080 --> 02:46:40,560
this is essentially a pilot program for

3795
02:46:40,560 --> 02:46:44,800
when we implement expanded paid parking?

3796
02:46:44,800 --> 02:46:48,479
>> Uh, council member Mang,

3797
02:46:48,479 --> 02:46:51,920
in a way that in a way, yes. But I think

3798
02:46:51,920 --> 02:46:53,840
what we really want to focus on tonight

3799
02:46:53,840 --> 02:46:56,000
is that what we're what we've brought

3800
02:46:56,000 --> 02:46:59,200
forward is municipal code changes that

3801
02:46:59,200 --> 02:47:01,760
enable these things. So tonight we're

3802
02:47:01,760 --> 02:47:04,080
really looking to just enable all these

3803
02:47:04,080 --> 02:47:07,600
great ideas. Without this step, we we're

3804
02:47:07,600 --> 02:47:12,160
back to step one or zero. So uh and and

3805
02:47:12,160 --> 02:47:13,520
we want to get going on things like

3806
02:47:13,520 --> 02:47:14,880
getting the coastal development permits

3807
02:47:14,880 --> 02:47:17,520
because those can take uh six months to

3808
02:47:17,520 --> 02:47:19,600
a year or longer sometimes. So it

3809
02:47:19,600 --> 02:47:21,439
depends on, you know, now we're

3810
02:47:21,439 --> 02:47:23,439
depending on a third party outside

3811
02:47:23,439 --> 02:47:25,920
agency to that we have to work with to

3812
02:47:25,920 --> 02:47:27,279
be able to get a permit to be able to

3813
02:47:27,279 --> 02:47:29,439
implement any of these programs. So, I

3814
02:47:29,439 --> 02:47:31,520
think I think we want to make sure we

3815
02:47:31,520 --> 02:47:32,720
understand what we're doing tonight,

3816
02:47:32,720 --> 02:47:35,439
which is enabling the programs. Um, and

3817
02:47:35,439 --> 02:47:37,520
then we also want to make sure that the

3818
02:47:37,520 --> 02:47:39,279
I'm sure, as you're aware, the council

3819
02:47:39,279 --> 02:47:41,840
has full discretion over this and can

3820
02:47:41,840 --> 02:47:44,960
direct staff to um uh implement in

3821
02:47:44,960 --> 02:47:46,720
different ways or to come back with some

3822
02:47:46,720 --> 02:47:48,880
alternatives uh when we get to the

3823
02:47:48,880 --> 02:47:51,120
implementation phase. That'd be great.

3824
02:47:51,120 --> 02:47:52,720
Um, and meanwhile, we are working with

3825
02:47:52,720 --> 02:47:55,680
our comm's team uh with this already.

3826
02:47:55,680 --> 02:47:57,840
So, I think we're trying to do those

3827
02:47:57,840 --> 02:47:59,840
public outreach things. Um, clearly we

3828
02:47:59,840 --> 02:48:02,720
want to step it up um as we've seen, but

3829
02:48:02,720 --> 02:48:04,640
at the same time tonight, what we really

3830
02:48:04,640 --> 02:48:06,800
want to focus on is um that we want to

3831
02:48:06,800 --> 02:48:08,960
enable this and then we'll get to those

3832
02:48:08,960 --> 02:48:12,399
implementation steps uh in the future.

3833
02:48:12,399 --> 02:48:14,319
>> Okay. Thank you. I like you saying

3834
02:48:14,319 --> 02:48:15,200
you're going to be working with the

3835
02:48:15,200 --> 02:48:17,439
comm's team. I've spoken the last couple

3836
02:48:17,439 --> 02:48:19,279
days with some of the most active

3837
02:48:19,279 --> 02:48:22,160
business owners downtown um who others

3838
02:48:22,160 --> 02:48:24,960
call on to get advice or direction and

3839
02:48:24,960 --> 02:48:27,120
they're confused. They've been really

3840
02:48:27,120 --> 02:48:29,439
confused about this whole implementing

3841
02:48:29,439 --> 02:48:32,399
this whole new system. Everything from

3842
02:48:32,399 --> 02:48:34,479
uh you know, secondary to what we're

3843
02:48:34,479 --> 02:48:39,200
discussing tonight, but you know, the the the new system, the check-in

3844
02:48:39,200 --> 02:48:41,120
process, how it's it's kind of mandatory

3845
02:48:41,120 --> 02:48:42,640
regardless of your time spent downtown,

3846
02:48:42,640 --> 02:48:44,640
you need to check in. That's not really

3847
02:48:44,640 --> 02:48:46,800
understood. uh the 90 minutes free

3848
02:48:46,800 --> 02:48:49,040
that's not really understood by the

3849
02:48:49,040 --> 02:48:51,520
general public. I think there's a lot we

3850
02:48:51,520 --> 02:48:53,760
can work on. Um and I think that's

3851
02:48:53,760 --> 02:48:56,960
really going to come down to um just

3852
02:48:56,960 --> 02:48:58,240
talking to the business owners down

3853
02:48:58,240 --> 02:48:59,439
there and getting the comm's team down

3854
02:48:59,439 --> 02:49:01,200
there to find out directly what the

3855
02:49:01,200 --> 02:49:04,800
issues are. Um and uh I'm certainly you

3856
02:49:04,800 --> 02:49:07,520
know we we've all heard them in the last

3857
02:49:07,520 --> 02:49:10,399
couple days. But um there yeah there's a

3858
02:49:10,399 --> 02:49:12,399
lot of there's a lot of problems and

3859
02:49:12,399 --> 02:49:15,359
it's it's to me it's it's not a good

3860
02:49:15,359 --> 02:49:17,279
first step because this is the f this is

3861
02:49:17,279 --> 02:49:19,600
kind of the first step when the

3862
02:49:19,600 --> 02:49:21,279
stakeholders downtown are really

3863
02:49:21,279 --> 02:49:23,520
confused with what's going on. So um

3864
02:49:23,520 --> 02:49:25,120
that's why I'm kind of like hesitant

3865
02:49:25,120 --> 02:49:26,479
with this process. It's not the kind of

3866
02:49:26,479 --> 02:49:28,160
the work that you guys are doing. So I

3867
02:49:28,160 --> 02:49:29,920
want to avoid that at all cost moving

3868
02:49:29,920 --> 02:49:31,520
forward.

3869
02:49:31,520 --> 02:49:31,760
C

3870
02:49:31,760 --> 02:49:35,200
>> can I just um Sure. We did u as far as

3871
02:49:35,200 --> 02:49:37,200
outreach we you know we do the

3872
02:49:37,200 --> 02:49:39,200
transportation division does a bike

3873
02:49:39,200 --> 02:49:42,000
valet at 4th of July. We had the new

3874
02:49:42,000 --> 02:49:44,319
meters downtown for the fourth for

3875
02:49:44,319 --> 02:49:46,080
anyone attending fourth of July. So we

3876
02:49:46,080 --> 02:49:47,760
had that and then we followed up with

3877
02:49:47,760 --> 02:49:50,479
two other farmer market um outreach with

3878
02:49:50,479 --> 02:49:56,720
the same meter there. So the last the three weeks leading up to um us

3879
02:49:56,720 --> 02:49:59,120
releasing these new meters um we had

3880
02:49:59,120 --> 02:50:01,520
active downtown

3881
02:50:01,520 --> 02:50:04,399
um uh communication. I felt and so I

3882
02:50:04,399 --> 02:50:05,760
felt like there was good understanding.

3883
02:50:05,760 --> 02:50:07,200
I think it is there's still going to be

3884
02:50:07,200 --> 02:50:08,960
a learning curve, but I don't want to

3885
02:50:08,960 --> 02:50:10,640
minimize that we didn't go out and talk

3886
02:50:10,640 --> 02:50:12,000
to the public because that is something

3887
02:50:12,000 --> 02:50:13,760
we take pride in and we were out there

3888
02:50:13,760 --> 02:50:15,600
for three weekends doing that just

3889
02:50:15,600 --> 02:50:16,800
before the release.

3890
02:50:16,800 --> 02:50:18,800
>> No. Yeah, understood. Yeah, I was not

3891
02:50:18,800 --> 02:50:19,439
implying that.

3892
02:50:19,439 --> 02:50:21,600
>> But I and I would say point well taken

3893
02:50:21,600 --> 02:50:23,279
as we as we move forward. We're getting

3894
02:50:23,279 --> 02:50:24,880
the coastal development permit. We're

3895
02:50:24,880 --> 02:50:26,240
working through

3896
02:50:26,240 --> 02:50:28,399
>> uh uh bringing items back to the city

3897
02:50:28,399 --> 02:50:30,960
council for implementation. During those

3898
02:50:30,960 --> 02:50:32,960
time periods, we can certainly and we

3899
02:50:32,960 --> 02:50:34,160
will be doing a lot more public

3900
02:50:34,160 --> 02:50:35,920
outreach. So, I think we're just at the

3901
02:50:35,920 --> 02:50:38,080
beginning stage. We're doing these

3902
02:50:38,080 --> 02:50:40,880
municipal code updates to enable things

3903
02:50:40,880 --> 02:50:42,960
and uh clearly what we've seen in point

3904
02:50:42,960 --> 02:50:45,439
well taken is that we can continue to

3905
02:50:45,439 --> 02:50:46,800
really improve how we're doing our

3906
02:50:46,800 --> 02:50:47,600
public outreach.

3907
02:50:47,600 --> 02:50:50,000
>> Thank you.

3908
02:50:50,000 --> 02:51:02,389
Council Member Compos.

3909
02:51:02,399 --> 02:51:05,359
Fourth of July and Sergio and Joseph did

3910
02:51:05,359 --> 02:51:07,920
a wonderful job of engaging with the

3911
02:51:07,920 --> 02:51:11,120
public. And at the farmers market, they

3912
02:51:11,120 --> 02:51:13,120
were doing a very good job of engaging

3913
02:51:13,120 --> 02:51:16,160
with the public. The emails that we've

3914
02:51:16,160 --> 02:51:17,840
been receiving and the phone calls that

3915
02:51:17,840 --> 02:51:20,399
we've been receiving are from business

3916
02:51:20,399 --> 02:51:23,120
owners who don't feel like they've had

3917
02:51:23,120 --> 02:51:25,200
the engagement and they're the

3918
02:51:25,200 --> 02:51:27,920
stakeholders that they believe were

3919
02:51:27,920 --> 02:51:32,720
referred to in the July 10th email that

3920
02:51:32,720 --> 02:51:34,399
they're the ones who were supposed to be

3921
02:51:34,399 --> 02:51:36,880
reached out to and feel like they were

3922
02:51:36,880 --> 02:51:40,000
not. it it's a very bad time for some of

3923
02:51:40,000 --> 02:51:43,279
us because in six days we have the first

3924
02:51:43,279 --> 02:51:45,600
Main Street moves meeting and we don't

3925
02:51:45,600 --> 02:51:48,800
want that all tied up with parking. So

3926
02:51:48,800 --> 02:51:51,680
it's very important that we find a way

3927
02:51:51,680 --> 02:51:54,080
to have proper communication with the

3928
02:51:54,080 --> 02:51:57,680
business owners and input from them.

3929
02:51:57,680 --> 02:52:02,399
Another thing is um I believe when

3930
02:52:02,399 --> 02:52:04,319
council member or deputy mayor Halter

3931
02:52:04,319 --> 02:52:07,439
was questioning you responded that the

3932
02:52:07,439 --> 02:52:11,840
lots from Santa Clara north are the ones

3933
02:52:11,840 --> 02:52:14,560
that you've set a time limit in but

3934
02:52:14,560 --> 02:52:17,040
there's a lot on south of Santa Clara

3935
02:52:17,040 --> 02:52:19,040
between Santa Clara and Thompson that

3936
02:52:19,040 --> 02:52:20,880
has a 4hour time limit.

3937
02:52:20,880 --> 02:52:22,319
>> There is. Yes.

3938
02:52:22,319 --> 02:52:26,000
>> So does that not fit into that space? I

3939
02:52:26,000 --> 02:52:28,399
was I was um in response to council

3940
02:52:28,399 --> 02:52:30,240
member Halter's question, I thought I

3941
02:52:30,240 --> 02:52:31,760
was referring to where we were looking

3942
02:52:31,760 --> 02:52:34,000
at doing the expansion of paid parking

3943
02:52:34,000 --> 02:52:35,840
and that's where I was setting those

3944
02:52:35,840 --> 02:52:38,080
boundaries. But yes, to acknowledge you,

3945
02:52:38,080 --> 02:52:40,080
yes, there are four or four hour and

3946
02:52:40,080 --> 02:52:42,479
eight hour lots south of Santa Clara.

3947
02:52:42,479 --> 02:52:44,880
>> So, are there enough eight hour spaces

3948
02:52:44,880 --> 02:52:47,920
for all the employees who cannot afford

3949
02:52:47,920 --> 02:52:49,279
permits?

3950
02:52:49,279 --> 02:52:51,760
>> Uh

3951
02:52:51,760 --> 02:52:54,720
I I believe there is. Yes. I mean, as

3952
02:52:54,720 --> 02:52:56,080
long as people are willing to walk a

3953
02:52:56,080 --> 02:52:58,160
little bit, yes, there are free parking

3954
02:52:58,160 --> 02:53:00,720
spaces and on the weekends, um,

3955
02:53:00,720 --> 02:53:03,120
employees can park up here in city hall.

3956
02:53:03,120 --> 02:53:04,479
There's plenty of space up here on the

3957
02:53:04,479 --> 02:53:06,720
weekends where it fills up a little bit

3958
02:53:06,720 --> 02:53:08,319
on the weekends.

3959
02:53:08,319 --> 02:53:13,005
>> Um, so my final question

3960
02:53:13,005 --> 02:53:14,960
[snorts] for me to vote on this and say

3961
02:53:14,960 --> 02:53:18,000
yes, let's change the code. I want to

3962
02:53:18,000 --> 02:53:22,080
know that you're going to do outreach

3963
02:53:22,080 --> 02:53:24,080
before the coastal commission makes a

3964
02:53:24,080 --> 02:53:25,840
decision.

3965
02:53:25,840 --> 02:53:28,399
It maybe you can do the proc start the

3966
02:53:28,399 --> 02:53:31,040
process and get it turned in, but reach

3967
02:53:31,040 --> 02:53:33,600
out to all of the businesses and get

3968
02:53:33,600 --> 02:53:36,319
your input and then promise me you'll

3969
02:53:36,319 --> 02:53:38,319
come back to this body. You won't just

3970
02:53:38,319 --> 02:53:41,040
make a decision before we've heard back

3971
02:53:41,040 --> 02:53:47,510
and understand what you're doing.

3972
02:53:47,520 --> 02:53:50,479
Thank you. Um, Council Member Mcrenolds.

3973
02:53:50,479 --> 02:53:53,040
>> Thank you, Madame Mayor. Uh, so my first

3974
02:53:53,040 --> 02:53:56,080
question is, uh, two parts. What does

3975
02:53:56,080 --> 02:53:58,800
Ventura Harbor do for their employees?

3976
02:53:58,800 --> 02:54:00,720
And what does downtown Santa Barbara do

3977
02:54:00,720 --> 02:54:03,279
for their employees?

3978
02:54:03,279 --> 02:54:06,080
>> I I do downtown Santa Barbara. Um, we

3979
02:54:06,080 --> 02:54:09,040
did a a peer review of other cities that

3980
02:54:09,040 --> 02:54:10,720
do permits. We looked at St. Louis,

3981
02:54:10,720 --> 02:54:13,439
Santa Barbara, and Pismo. And each of

3982
02:54:13,439 --> 02:54:15,760
them do have a permit program. Varying

3983
02:54:15,760 --> 02:54:18,319
costs. I mean, Santa Barbara, theirs

3984
02:54:18,319 --> 02:54:20,240
were depending on what kind you can have

3985
02:54:20,240 --> 02:54:22,160
different tiers of of how long you're

3986
02:54:22,160 --> 02:54:23,760
able to park and what lots you can go

3987
02:54:23,760 --> 02:54:26,160
into. And their permit is up to I think

3988
02:54:26,160 --> 02:54:29,359
$280 a month. Um, and so all the way

3989
02:54:29,359 --> 02:54:31,439
down to I think the minimum was 120,

3990
02:54:31,439 --> 02:54:34,080
something like that. Pismo Beach was $35

3991
02:54:34,080 --> 02:54:38,640
a year. Um, and then St. Louis was $60 a

3992
02:54:38,640 --> 02:54:40,960
month, but it allowed employees to park

3993
02:54:40,960 --> 02:54:44,000
in their their garage. Um, and then I

3994
02:54:44,000 --> 02:54:45,840
think it was another additional fee if

3995
02:54:45,840 --> 02:54:47,760
you wanted to park on street in certain

3996
02:54:47,760 --> 02:54:50,240
designated spots on street.

3997
02:54:50,240 --> 02:54:50,880
>> What about the

3998
02:54:50,880 --> 02:54:52,880
>> downtown harbor? I'm not sure what they

3999
02:54:52,880 --> 02:54:54,160
do for their employees. That's a good

4000
02:54:54,160 --> 02:54:57,279
question. I um I don't know if they have

4001
02:54:57,279 --> 02:54:58,960
a permit for their employees. I'm not

4002
02:54:58,960 --> 02:55:00,479
sure. I think they they put them in

4003
02:55:00,479 --> 02:55:02,640
other they have lots designated for

4004
02:55:02,640 --> 02:55:05,439
employees that's outside of the core

4005
02:55:05,439 --> 02:55:07,520
area. And so they have those designated

4006
02:55:07,520 --> 02:55:09,120
employee lots is what I think is what

4007
02:55:09,120 --> 02:55:09,760
they do.

4008
02:55:09,760 --> 02:55:11,920
>> Okay. And so I just want to do some

4009
02:55:11,920 --> 02:55:14,160
quick simple math.

4010
02:55:14,160 --> 02:55:17,680
So you're telling me that this program

4011
02:55:17,680 --> 02:55:20,640
cost $63,360

4012
02:55:20,640 --> 02:55:24,960
a year to administer 88 $88 multiplied

4013
02:55:24,960 --> 02:55:28,000
by 60 employees potentially. So we're

4014
02:55:28,000 --> 02:55:32,399
raising $5,280 a month. 12 months we're

4015
02:55:32,399 --> 02:55:35,760
raising $63,360.

4016
02:55:35,760 --> 02:55:38,000
We're going to subsidize this. So, we're

4017
02:55:38,000 --> 02:55:40,080
going to charge 88 uh we're going to

4018
02:55:40,080 --> 02:55:42,880
charge $2,100

4019
02:55:42,880 --> 02:55:44,960
is what we're going to earn and we're

4020
02:55:44,960 --> 02:55:47,600
going to get $25,200.

4021
02:55:47,600 --> 02:55:49,920
So, we're charging everybody $420

4022
02:55:49,920 --> 02:55:52,319
annually to have this

4023
02:55:52,319 --> 02:55:54,720
>> correct, but we are subsidizing it as

4024
02:55:54,720 --> 02:55:57,600
the city $636.

4025
02:55:57,600 --> 02:56:00,640
So, it's costing us more than double

4026
02:56:00,640 --> 02:56:02,720
what we're collecting. I I just don't

4027
02:56:02,720 --> 02:56:05,920
understand what we are trying to achieve

4028
02:56:05,920 --> 02:56:08,880
by having this program.

4029
02:56:08,880 --> 02:56:11,279
We're we're literally

4030
02:56:11,279 --> 02:56:16,319
sub we're not even paying ourselves for this. I mean, we'd be better off to

4031
02:56:16,319 --> 02:56:20,399
not do anything and we would save $636

4032
02:56:20,399 --> 02:56:23,279
a per person.

4033
02:56:23,279 --> 02:56:25,920
I I guess I I don't understand why why

4034
02:56:25,920 --> 02:56:28,720
would we do that?

4035
02:56:28,720 --> 02:56:30,399
Council member McDonald Reynolds, I

4036
02:56:30,399 --> 02:56:32,240
guess I'll add that it was brought up

4037
02:56:32,240 --> 02:56:34,479
that when the lots changed to 4-hour

4038
02:56:34,479 --> 02:56:36,560
limits, we started hearing the public

4039
02:56:36,560 --> 02:56:38,720
and business owners

4040
02:56:38,720 --> 02:56:40,319
say that they were having trouble with

4041
02:56:40,319 --> 02:56:41,920
employees parking in that time. So, this

4042
02:56:41,920 --> 02:56:44,160
is really brought forth out of listening

4043
02:56:44,160 --> 02:56:46,560
to our stakeholders downtown and hearing

4044
02:56:46,560 --> 02:56:47,920
that they were having issues and they

4045
02:56:47,920 --> 02:56:50,000
were struggling to find parking that

4046
02:56:50,000 --> 02:56:52,000
they their employees can stay in. Um,

4047
02:56:52,000 --> 02:56:54,240
but it's just a consideration and same

4048
02:56:54,240 --> 02:56:56,560
with the amount $35.

4049
02:56:56,560 --> 02:56:59,200
That was something that was uh discussed

4050
02:56:59,200 --> 02:57:01,680
with staff, but is by no means you guys

4051
02:57:01,680 --> 02:57:03,840
would have free reign to to adjust that

4052
02:57:03,840 --> 02:57:05,680
if you want full cost recovery or to

4053
02:57:05,680 --> 02:57:08,080
change that. It is really something that

4054
02:57:08,080 --> 02:57:10,479
was brought forth out of a need that we

4055
02:57:10,479 --> 02:57:12,479
are hearing from the public.

4056
02:57:12,479 --> 02:57:14,319
>> But I I guess my question is if we did

4057
02:57:14,319 --> 02:57:16,000
nothing,

4058
02:57:16,000 --> 02:57:19,760
we would save $38,000 a year.

4059
02:57:19,760 --> 02:57:21,920
>> Correct. Yeah. that based on the

4060
02:57:21,920 --> 02:57:25,279
estimates and yes and that would be an

4061
02:57:25,279 --> 02:57:28,560
option for council here tonight.

4062
02:57:28,560 --> 02:57:31,840
>> Okay, thank you.

4063
02:57:31,840 --> 02:57:34,080
>> Thank you for those questions. Um I

4064
02:57:34,080 --> 02:57:39,120
think I'm uh yeah same puzzled. Um is it

4065
02:57:39,120 --> 02:57:41,840
fair to say that um then what you're

4066
02:57:41,840 --> 02:57:44,000
bringing before us is kind of a

4067
02:57:44,000 --> 02:57:46,160
placeholder so that you can go to the

4068
02:57:46,160 --> 02:57:48,080
coastal commission?

4069
02:57:48,080 --> 02:57:49,920
>> Correct. We have had discussions with

4070
02:57:49,920 --> 02:57:51,520
the coastal commission and we're having

4071
02:57:51,520 --> 02:57:53,120
ongoing discussions with them and this

4072
02:57:53,120 --> 02:57:55,439
is part of it um that we set the

4073
02:57:55,439 --> 02:57:58,560
framework for a a permit program and

4074
02:57:58,560 --> 02:58:01,279
that is written into our um the

4075
02:58:01,279 --> 02:58:03,359
information we have provided uh to the

4076
02:58:03,359 --> 02:58:05,840
coastal commission and we've also worked

4077
02:58:05,840 --> 02:58:07,279
are working with them on the expansion

4078
02:58:07,279 --> 02:58:10,160
to allow that um program as well.

4079
02:58:10,160 --> 02:58:12,399
>> And you need to have a placeholder in

4080
02:58:12,399 --> 02:58:13,439
order to be able to

4081
02:58:13,439 --> 02:58:14,160
>> correct

4082
02:58:14,160 --> 02:58:18,560
>> bring this forward. Um so

4083
02:58:18,560 --> 02:58:20,080
shortly after presenting this or

4084
02:58:20,080 --> 02:58:21,520
bringing this to the coastal commission

4085
02:58:21,520 --> 02:58:23,359
then that's when you would engage

4086
02:58:23,359 --> 02:58:27,120
business owners to talk about the fee

4087
02:58:27,120 --> 02:58:28,399
for employee parking.

4088
02:58:28,399 --> 02:58:30,319
>> Yeah. I mean what we'll continue to work

4089
02:58:30,319 --> 02:58:32,399
with and clearly I'm getting direction

4090
02:58:32,399 --> 02:58:35,040
to work with business owners now and so

4091
02:58:35,040 --> 02:58:37,359
we can do that now as we start as we

4092
02:58:37,359 --> 02:58:39,040
continue to work with uh coastal

4093
02:58:39,040 --> 02:58:40,240
commission on this.

4094
02:58:40,240 --> 02:58:42,720
>> Okay. And and mayor, as I might jump in,

4095
02:58:42,720 --> 02:58:44,720
um, council member Compos, I think, was

4096
02:58:44,720 --> 02:58:47,359
expressed a concern and direction that,

4097
02:58:47,359 --> 02:58:49,279
uh, that we start to engage the business

4098
02:58:49,279 --> 02:58:51,439
community now, not wait till we're at

4099
02:58:51,439 --> 02:58:53,359
the end of our process with the coastal

4100
02:58:53,359 --> 02:58:55,680
commission. And we we can do that,

4101
02:58:55,680 --> 02:58:58,560
>> right? Yeah. Because I I think it feels

4102
02:58:58,560 --> 02:59:02,640
backwards um to the business owners and

4103
02:59:02,640 --> 02:59:04,720
community out there. And so I just want

4104
02:59:04,720 --> 02:59:06,479
to make sure that while I understand

4105
02:59:06,479 --> 02:59:08,240
that you have to have something to take

4106
02:59:08,240 --> 02:59:11,760
to the coastal commission, um it just

4107
02:59:11,760 --> 02:59:14,720
feels like that was done without the

4108
02:59:14,720 --> 02:59:16,880
input that they were hoping to give.

4109
02:59:16,880 --> 02:59:18,800
>> I mean I think you know again going back

4110
02:59:18,800 --> 02:59:20,479
to the employee survey we did in the

4111
02:59:20,479 --> 02:59:22,720
fall, the biggest thing we heard was the

4112
02:59:22,720 --> 02:59:23,840
struggles they were having with

4113
02:59:23,840 --> 02:59:25,200
four-hour lots, right?

4114
02:59:25,200 --> 02:59:27,279
>> And so this was in response to that. As

4115
02:59:27,279 --> 02:59:30,000
far as a fee, it's really tough to talk

4116
02:59:30,000 --> 02:59:31,520
about a fee. No one's going to want to

4117
02:59:31,520 --> 02:59:34,000
pay a fee. And so

4118
02:59:34,000 --> 02:59:35,520
that that's going to be a discussion

4119
02:59:35,520 --> 02:59:36,720
that we can have. But

4120
02:59:36,720 --> 02:59:37,120
>> yeah,

4121
02:59:37,120 --> 02:59:38,479
>> ultimately I believe it's going to be up

4122
02:59:38,479 --> 02:59:40,560
to council what that fee would be,

4123
02:59:40,560 --> 02:59:45,920
>> right? And but but I I think the Yeah, I understand that. It's just the the

4124
02:59:45,920 --> 02:59:48,240
lack of conversation about the fee is

4125
02:59:48,240 --> 02:59:52,240
what I think is kind of gotten people um

4126
02:59:52,240 --> 02:59:54,479
upset about it and and just kind of not

4127
02:59:54,479 --> 02:59:57,040
really understanding the process because

4128
02:59:57,040 --> 02:59:59,680
we said one thing and we actually did

4129
02:59:59,680 --> 03:00:01,279
something else. And so I think that's

4130
03:00:01,279 --> 03:00:03,920
just kind of where um I think people are

4131
03:00:03,920 --> 03:00:05,359
coming from and we want to make sure

4132
03:00:05,359 --> 03:00:09,200
that that's understood um by by your

4133
03:00:09,200 --> 03:00:12,160
team as well. Um for me going back to

4134
03:00:12,160 --> 03:00:16,319
the 90 minutes um I'm I was also

4135
03:00:16,319 --> 03:00:19,439
confused about that because um when it

4136
03:00:19,439 --> 03:00:22,640
came to council I think we the intention

4137
03:00:22,640 --> 03:00:24,560
was for us to make sure that there were

4138
03:00:24,560 --> 03:00:27,840
90 minutes free. um if at the 91st

4139
03:00:27,840 --> 03:00:31,200
minute we're charging you retroactively

4140
03:00:31,200 --> 03:00:34,160
that regressively that doesn't make

4141
03:00:34,160 --> 03:00:38,560
sense. Um I've I've gone to other cities

4142
03:00:38,560 --> 03:00:41,279
with other you know parking paid parking

4143
03:00:41,279 --> 03:00:43,279
and it I don't think it works that way.

4144
03:00:43,279 --> 03:00:48,960
So um I'm just I would like to see us do

4145
03:00:48,960 --> 03:00:51,600
90 minutes free and then start charging

4146
03:00:51,600 --> 03:00:53,680
on the 91st minute. That's what I want

4147
03:00:53,680 --> 03:00:55,359
to see.

4148
03:00:55,359 --> 03:00:59,520
Um, and then

4149
03:00:59,520 --> 03:01:03,120
yeah, I think those were my my points.

4150
03:01:03,120 --> 03:01:06,399
Um, but I really appreciate the

4151
03:01:06,399 --> 03:01:08,240
information and and the work that's been

4152
03:01:08,240 --> 03:01:10,960
done this far. I just I think we need to

4153
03:01:10,960 --> 03:01:13,920
clean up some some of the work and um

4154
03:01:13,920 --> 03:01:16,240
make sure that people understand um

4155
03:01:16,240 --> 03:01:17,840
where we're heading with this. And and

4156
03:01:17,840 --> 03:01:20,880
again reiterating that the $35 fee is

4157
03:01:20,880 --> 03:01:22,720
not a permanent fee. That that can

4158
03:01:22,720 --> 03:01:25,279
change. that will change if that's not

4159
03:01:25,279 --> 03:01:28,399
what people want so that folks don't

4160
03:01:28,399 --> 03:01:32,240
feel like we're forcing them to a fee

4161
03:01:32,240 --> 03:01:35,359
that they didn't agree to.

4162
03:01:35,359 --> 03:01:38,800
If I might add that when we we look back

4163
03:01:38,800 --> 03:01:41,200
at the council direction originally on

4164
03:01:41,200 --> 03:01:44,160
the 90 minutes um and in that discussion

4165
03:01:44,160 --> 03:01:47,279
we found uh in review of the council

4166
03:01:47,279 --> 03:01:50,000
meeting that it was very briefly

4167
03:01:50,000 --> 03:01:54,960
mentioned that we modeled this after the harbor and so I understand that we

4168
03:01:54,960 --> 03:01:57,200
went from a 60-minute to a 90-minute but

4169
03:01:57,200 --> 03:01:58,960
there was also that just quirk that we

4170
03:01:58,960 --> 03:02:00,800
found that we're modeling it after the

4171
03:02:00,800 --> 03:02:03,120
harbor. So we took our direction and and

4172
03:02:03,120 --> 03:02:05,680
did that. Um, we can, again, this is

4173
03:02:05,680 --> 03:02:07,840
within the city council's discretion.

4174
03:02:07,840 --> 03:02:11,040
>> Um, we certainly can, um, modify the

4175
03:02:11,040 --> 03:02:13,120
90-minute free in the way council

4176
03:02:13,120 --> 03:02:14,560
directs.

4177
03:02:14,560 --> 03:02:16,160
>> And I just want to keep reiterating

4178
03:02:16,160 --> 03:02:18,080
though for the for this evening, we want

4179
03:02:18,080 --> 03:02:19,680
to make sure we do these municipal

4180
03:02:19,680 --> 03:02:22,240
changes to enable these things and also

4181
03:02:22,240 --> 03:02:24,240
just make sure that we're on a good

4182
03:02:24,240 --> 03:02:25,760
legal foundation for when we move

4183
03:02:25,760 --> 03:02:29,279
forward with any any uh uh fees that any

4184
03:02:29,279 --> 03:02:30,880
of the fees we want to charge for any

4185
03:02:30,880 --> 03:02:31,840
off streetet parking.

4186
03:02:31,840 --> 03:02:33,600
>> Yeah. And I can understand that. I mean,

4187
03:02:33,600 --> 03:02:36,160
I I think we we have many conversations

4188
03:02:36,160 --> 03:02:37,600
up here that later on we're like, "Wait,

4189
03:02:37,600 --> 03:02:38,560
what happened?"

4190
03:02:38,560 --> 03:02:41,359
>> Um, but, uh, I I think those are some

4191
03:02:41,359 --> 03:02:42,800
things that really need to be looked at

4192
03:02:42,800 --> 03:02:46,960
and and changed and pivot so that we can

4193
03:02:46,960 --> 03:02:48,880
gain the public's trust on this.

4194
03:02:48,880 --> 03:02:51,040
>> Absolutely. If I could add one more

4195
03:02:51,040 --> 03:02:54,000
thing, mayor, that tonight we' be

4196
03:02:54,000 --> 03:02:55,439
bringing forth the change that would

4197
03:02:55,439 --> 03:02:57,520
allow, you know, council to the council

4198
03:02:57,520 --> 03:02:59,040
has come back to council to allow the

4199
03:02:59,040 --> 03:03:00,399
off- streetet paid parking to be

4200
03:03:00,399 --> 03:03:02,720
expanded. doesn't make any changes to

4201
03:03:02,720 --> 03:03:05,359
that. But for regarding the employee

4202
03:03:05,359 --> 03:03:08,399
permit program, it would allow staff

4203
03:03:08,399 --> 03:03:10,880
pending a coastal development approval

4204
03:03:10,880 --> 03:03:12,560
that we would be allowed to roll out

4205
03:03:12,560 --> 03:03:14,640
this program. So, we could come back and

4206
03:03:14,640 --> 03:03:16,479
change it and modify it and we we'd be

4207
03:03:16,479 --> 03:03:18,800
happy to that we will definitely engage

4208
03:03:18,800 --> 03:03:20,640
the stakeholders downtown and get their

4209
03:03:20,640 --> 03:03:22,880
feedback. I think it says in the staff

4210
03:03:22,880 --> 03:03:24,319
report that we'll, you know, continue

4211
03:03:24,319 --> 03:03:26,560
stakeholder outreach, but it would allow

4212
03:03:26,560 --> 03:03:28,080
us to roll out the program for the

4213
03:03:28,080 --> 03:03:30,240
permits. It would not allow us to expand

4214
03:03:30,240 --> 03:03:31,680
paid parking without coming back for

4215
03:03:31,680 --> 03:03:33,120
prior approval. Just want to clarify

4216
03:03:33,120 --> 03:03:33,600
that.

4217
03:03:33,600 --> 03:03:35,680
>> Thank you for that.

4218
03:03:35,680 --> 03:03:38,080
>> Did you have um Council Member Compos, I

4219
03:03:38,080 --> 03:03:39,520
have your name still on the queue. Did

4220
03:03:39,520 --> 03:03:41,279
you have comments?

4221
03:03:41,279 --> 03:03:44,399
>> Just commenting on that. I think that

4222
03:03:44,399 --> 03:03:47,600
because of the questions and problems of

4223
03:03:47,600 --> 03:03:49,439
public trust right now regarding the

4224
03:03:49,439 --> 03:03:52,000
permits, I think this council would

4225
03:03:52,000 --> 03:03:54,000
prefer you bring it back to us, not just

4226
03:03:54,000 --> 03:03:56,640
roll it out.

4227
03:03:56,640 --> 03:03:58,319
>> Okay. Thank you,

4228
03:03:58,319 --> 03:04:00,000
>> council member. As the public works

4229
03:04:00,000 --> 03:04:02,080
director, I we will bring this back to

4230
03:04:02,080 --> 03:04:03,520
you before we roll it out.

4231
03:04:03,520 --> 03:04:04,080
>> Thank you.

4232
03:04:04,080 --> 03:04:04,560
>> Absolutely,

4233
03:04:04,560 --> 03:04:05,680
>> Mr. City Attorney.

4234
03:04:05,680 --> 03:04:07,680
>> Mayor, I just would make the point that

4235
03:04:07,680 --> 03:04:10,720
the employee parking could um and I

4236
03:04:10,720 --> 03:04:12,080
understand where the council's going on

4237
03:04:12,080 --> 03:04:13,680
that, but the first aspect of the

4238
03:04:13,680 --> 03:04:16,399
parking lots um we would really uh

4239
03:04:16,399 --> 03:04:18,640
benefit from having uh that portion of

4240
03:04:18,640 --> 03:04:20,240
the ordinance read. if the council is

4241
03:04:20,240 --> 03:04:23,920
inclined to um move that portion but not

4242
03:04:23,920 --> 03:04:25,600
the employee parking, I can sort of talk

4243
03:04:25,600 --> 03:04:27,040
the council through a motion there. The

4244
03:04:27,040 --> 03:04:28,880
second point I just wanted to make was

4245
03:04:28,880 --> 03:04:30,319
I've heard some of the council members

4246
03:04:30,319 --> 03:04:31,920
concerns about the hours of parking and

4247
03:04:31,920 --> 03:04:34,399
I believe the code actually um the

4248
03:04:34,399 --> 03:04:36,319
council adopted an ordinance that

4249
03:04:36,319 --> 03:04:41,840
provides the traffic engineers set the hours. So I think uh there's been

4250
03:04:41,840 --> 03:04:44,800
some general uh general direction from

4251
03:04:44,800 --> 03:04:46,720
individual individual council members,

4252
03:04:46,720 --> 03:04:50,720
but the uh how that that divying is is

4253
03:04:50,720 --> 03:04:53,120
not on the agenda. So that's not fair

4254
03:04:53,120 --> 03:04:55,120
game for a motion. So I think the

4255
03:04:55,120 --> 03:04:56,640
traffic engineer can receive the

4256
03:04:56,640 --> 03:04:58,960
information and proceed accordingly. But

4257
03:04:58,960 --> 03:05:01,120
also as to if the council isn't inclined

4258
03:05:01,120 --> 03:05:02,640
to move with the staff recommendation,

4259
03:05:02,640 --> 03:05:04,880
we'd suggest uh going with the parking

4260
03:05:04,880 --> 03:05:06,479
lot ordinance and I can walk a parking

4261
03:05:06,479 --> 03:05:07,760
lot portion of the ordinance. I can walk

4262
03:05:07,760 --> 03:05:08,960
the council through that if needed.

4263
03:05:08,960 --> 03:05:11,040
Okay, appreciate that. Thank you. I'm

4264
03:05:11,040 --> 03:05:12,399
going to go ahead and take public

4265
03:05:12,399 --> 03:05:14,960
comment at this time on this item. Do we

4266
03:05:14,960 --> 03:05:15,840
have speakers?

4267
03:05:15,840 --> 03:05:17,040
>> Thank you, mayor. We have six speakers

4268
03:05:17,040 --> 03:05:19,040
on item 12. Our first speaker is Melissa

4269
03:05:19,040 --> 03:05:22,160
Bates Wilder, followed by Spencer Norn.

4270
03:05:22,160 --> 03:05:24,319
>> Hi, I'm Melissa Bates Wilder. I am the

4271
03:05:24,319 --> 03:05:26,080
owner of Blue Crush. We're a co-work

4272
03:05:26,080 --> 03:05:29,200
nursery school in downtown. We serve 48

4273
03:05:29,200 --> 03:05:31,120
families every single day and 10

4274
03:05:31,120 --> 03:05:33,840
teachers. parking for my teachers that

4275
03:05:33,840 --> 03:05:37,520
make $50,000 a year. I would not make

4276
03:05:37,520 --> 03:05:40,080
them park pay for it, but it would cost

4277
03:05:40,080 --> 03:05:42,000
me $4,200

4278
03:05:42,000 --> 03:05:45,600
a year, which is one month's rent for my

4279
03:05:45,600 --> 03:05:48,000
building. It's also two months worth of

4280
03:05:48,000 --> 03:05:50,479
daycare for a family. So, just thinking

4281
03:05:50,479 --> 03:05:52,800
about me as a business owner, those are

4282
03:05:52,800 --> 03:05:54,240
things that I'm not going to be able to

4283
03:05:54,240 --> 03:05:57,920
afford. Um, and I'm coming to you with

4284
03:05:57,920 --> 03:06:00,319
some questions. And before I get the

4285
03:06:00,319 --> 03:06:01,600
questions, I want to give you a little

4286
03:06:01,600 --> 03:06:03,600
background. I was at the Riviera Ridge

4287
03:06:03,600 --> 03:06:05,200
School in Santa Barbara as their

4288
03:06:05,200 --> 03:06:07,840
director of innovation. We needed 150

4289
03:06:07,840 --> 03:06:10,240
parking spots for 13 days when we had

4290
03:06:10,240 --> 03:06:12,720
school events. And we priced it out. It

4291
03:06:12,720 --> 03:06:14,399
was going to be $3 million. We were

4292
03:06:14,399 --> 03:06:17,040
raising $18 million for the school. And

4293
03:06:17,040 --> 03:06:19,279
I said to everyone, hey, that's 16% of

4294
03:06:19,279 --> 03:06:21,359
our budget. Let's do a costbenefit

4295
03:06:21,359 --> 03:06:23,680
analysis on other things we can do. So,

4296
03:06:23,680 --> 03:06:26,000
we went to people in the city and we

4297
03:06:26,000 --> 03:06:28,640
found out we could rent 150 parking

4298
03:06:28,640 --> 03:06:32,000
spots for $10 a day for 13 days. That

4299
03:06:32,000 --> 03:06:34,560
cost us about 20,000. But then we would

4300
03:06:34,560 --> 03:06:36,800
need to run a shuttle on those days.

4301
03:06:36,800 --> 03:06:40,319
Those 13 days at 5 hours, $25 an hour,

4302
03:06:40,319 --> 03:06:42,080
three drivers, that was another around

4303
03:06:42,080 --> 03:06:45,439
5,000. So, we could raise $3 million for

4304
03:06:45,439 --> 03:06:47,279
a parking structure or we could pay

4305
03:06:47,279 --> 03:06:50,000
$25,000 a year using parking in our

4306
03:06:50,000 --> 03:06:52,800
other city and running shuttles. And I

4307
03:06:52,800 --> 03:06:55,120
figured out for the school it would take

4308
03:06:55,120 --> 03:06:59,120
us 120 years for that to equal each

4309
03:06:59,120 --> 03:07:02,880
other. Right? By in 120 years we no

4310
03:07:02,880 --> 03:07:06,720
longer need that parking structure. Cars are on the way out.

4311
03:07:06,720 --> 03:07:08,960
Pedestrian cities are on the way in as

4312
03:07:08,960 --> 03:07:11,200
well as shared used vehicles and cars.

4313
03:07:11,200 --> 03:07:13,040
So I think I have three questions for

4314
03:07:13,040 --> 03:07:16,000
city council. Do you need paid parking

4315
03:07:16,000 --> 03:07:18,479
Monday through Friday 8 to 5? Don't we

4316
03:07:18,479 --> 03:07:19,760
want to encourage people to come

4317
03:07:19,760 --> 03:07:22,160
downtown during those hours? How does

4318
03:07:22,160 --> 03:07:23,840
paying

4319
03:07:23,840 --> 03:07:25,840
help that? And have we done an analysis

4320
03:07:25,840 --> 03:07:28,479
of how many spots are actually available

4321
03:07:28,479 --> 03:07:30,319
on the weekends when it's difficult to

4322
03:07:30,319 --> 03:07:32,080
park? Have you thought about other

4323
03:07:32,080 --> 03:07:33,520
parking areas that you could use

4324
03:07:33,520 --> 03:07:35,359
shuttles from like Ventura High School,

4325
03:07:35,359 --> 03:07:36,880
the mall, the college, the government

4326
03:07:36,880 --> 03:07:38,960
center? And if we're on that like

4327
03:07:38,960 --> 03:07:40,800
thinking, why don't we just increase the

4328
03:07:40,800 --> 03:07:43,600
bus lines? The bus lines number six that

4329
03:07:43,600 --> 03:07:46,000
comes from Midtown runs every 20 to 30

4330
03:07:46,000 --> 03:07:48,240
minutes when Ohigh runs every 60

4331
03:07:48,240 --> 03:07:50,160
minutes. Those are the only two that

4332
03:07:50,160 --> 03:07:52,000
come into downtown. Everything else

4333
03:07:52,000 --> 03:07:54,080
stops at the mall. You could increase

4334
03:07:54,080 --> 03:07:56,720
bus line 11 and 21 and get them to come

4335
03:07:56,720 --> 03:07:58,960
into downtown at staggered starts of

4336
03:07:58,960 --> 03:08:03,120
every 8 to 10 minutes like Barcelona or

4337
03:08:03,120 --> 03:08:06,000
MIT or Cambridge where Harvard is and

4338
03:08:06,000 --> 03:08:08,160
people use the bus every single day.

4339
03:08:08,160 --> 03:08:09,760
Then we don't have to worry about

4340
03:08:09,760 --> 03:08:11,760
downtown parking pit permits that I

4341
03:08:11,760 --> 03:08:13,840
can't afford, my staff can't afford, and

4342
03:08:13,840 --> 03:08:15,760
minimum wage workers can't afford.

4343
03:08:15,760 --> 03:08:18,160
Instead, we increase the buses. We get

4344
03:08:18,160 --> 03:08:20,080
people downtown and we start thinking of

4345
03:08:20,080 --> 03:08:23,200
downtown as a destination. Thank you,

4346
03:08:23,200 --> 03:08:24,720
Spencer Norin, followed by Philip

4347
03:08:24,720 --> 03:08:32,710
Fields.

4348
03:08:32,720 --> 03:08:34,640
» Right on. Thank you, Michael. Good to

4349
03:08:34,640 --> 03:08:36,160
see you, council. It's been a little bit

4350
03:08:36,160 --> 03:08:37,840
of while here. Hope you enjoyed your

4351
03:08:37,840 --> 03:08:40,479
summer break. Good to be in chamber

4352
03:08:40,479 --> 03:08:42,880
staff at the Ventura Police Department

4353
03:08:42,880 --> 03:08:45,120
here somewhere. And also translation in

4354
03:08:45,120 --> 03:08:46,720
the back. appreciate you translate my

4355
03:08:46,720 --> 03:08:49,439
words in Spanish. I've been a kind of a

4356
03:08:49,439 --> 03:08:51,840
advocate against extended paid parking

4357
03:08:51,840 --> 03:08:54,319
downtown and across our city. And when

4358
03:08:54,319 --> 03:08:56,399
reading this agenda item, I think I

4359
03:08:56,399 --> 03:08:58,240
would ask you as a council to separate

4360
03:08:58,240 --> 03:09:01,120
the three topics. I'm seeing paid

4361
03:09:01,120 --> 03:09:02,880
parking. I'm also seeing being allowed

4362
03:09:02,880 --> 03:09:06,800
to charge for parking and then also

4363
03:09:06,800 --> 03:09:08,399
employee. I think it's three different

4364
03:09:08,399 --> 03:09:10,560
topics. Have we seen the discussion go

4365
03:09:10,560 --> 03:09:12,479
through tonight? And I like council

4366
03:09:12,479 --> 03:09:14,399
member Compo's recommendation of curbing

4367
03:09:14,399 --> 03:09:16,640
these topics and coming back and talking

4368
03:09:16,640 --> 03:09:20,399
about them individually. Um I just think

4369
03:09:20,399 --> 03:09:21,760
there's differences with all of them.

4370
03:09:21,760 --> 03:09:23,520
We've heard the council members talk

4371
03:09:23,520 --> 03:09:25,520
about them. So as far as parking goes

4372
03:09:25,520 --> 03:09:27,840
downtown, I'm still not in favor of it

4373
03:09:27,840 --> 03:09:28,880
because we've heard of the lack of

4374
03:09:28,880 --> 03:09:31,040
communication with business owners and

4375
03:09:31,040 --> 03:09:33,279
other um ways we can approve. So bring

4376
03:09:33,279 --> 03:09:34,560
it back through different ways and

4377
03:09:34,560 --> 03:09:36,640
discussions and deny staff

4378
03:09:36,640 --> 03:09:41,990
recommendation. Thank you.

4379
03:09:42,000 --> 03:09:43,439
Philip Fields followed by Casey

4380
03:09:43,439 --> 03:09:53,750
Rodriguez.

4381
03:09:53,760 --> 03:09:57,439
If Ventura City

4382
03:09:57,439 --> 03:10:01,439
was made only by employees,

4383
03:10:01,439 --> 03:10:06,319
it be an ideal employee city.

4384
03:10:06,319 --> 03:10:08,560
But the [clears throat] world doesn't

4385
03:10:08,560 --> 03:10:12,800
move around only the employees.

4386
03:10:12,800 --> 03:10:14,960
It moves around

4387
03:10:14,960 --> 03:10:17,359
the people,

4388
03:10:17,359 --> 03:10:21,040
the diverse block of people,

4389
03:10:21,040 --> 03:10:22,960
the taxpayers.

4390
03:10:22,960 --> 03:10:25,520
They're the ones that put your bill,

4391
03:10:25,520 --> 03:10:28,880
your money, your wages. They're the ones

4392
03:10:28,880 --> 03:10:30,880
that are [clears throat]

4393
03:10:30,880 --> 03:10:34,479
carrying the brunt of the economic

4394
03:10:34,479 --> 03:10:39,439
daytoday work in the red. No, in the

4395
03:10:39,439 --> 03:10:42,240
black.

4396
03:10:42,240 --> 03:10:44,640
And that's the one you got to serve.

4397
03:10:44,640 --> 03:10:46,640
You're here to serve the people. You're

4398
03:10:46,640 --> 03:10:48,960
not here to serve the bureaucrats. I'm

4399
03:10:48,960 --> 03:10:51,279
sorry to say this.

4400
03:10:51,279 --> 03:10:54,319
If I was a bureaucrat, it would make no

4401
03:10:54,319 --> 03:10:56,319
difference. You don't serve the

4402
03:10:56,319 --> 03:10:58,399
employees.

4403
03:10:58,399 --> 03:11:00,720
You serve the people. That's why you're

4404
03:11:00,720 --> 03:11:04,640
there sitting there in the dice

4405
03:11:04,640 --> 03:11:07,920
in the das.

4406
03:11:07,920 --> 03:11:11,520
And if you don't listen to the people

4407
03:11:11,520 --> 03:11:13,760
and you try to have a tyranny of

4408
03:11:13,760 --> 03:11:17,200
employees where you're lied, you're

4409
03:11:17,200 --> 03:11:20,000
cheated, you're colluded, you're

4410
03:11:20,000 --> 03:11:22,319
deceived,

4411
03:11:22,319 --> 03:11:24,960
and where does the back stop? The city

4412
03:11:24,960 --> 03:11:27,439
manager. What the hell are you doing,

4413
03:11:27,439 --> 03:11:31,600
sir? You're not running a circus.

4414
03:11:31,600 --> 03:11:34,479
You should be running a city.

4415
03:11:34,479 --> 03:11:37,840
And here your employees, they deceive

4416
03:11:37,840 --> 03:11:41,120
the council. They deceive us. This is a

4417
03:11:41,120 --> 03:11:44,479
c a boss of circus.

4418
03:11:44,479 --> 03:11:47,359
Please do your job. City manager and

4419
03:11:47,359 --> 03:11:49,120
council.

4420
03:11:49,120 --> 03:11:52,080
Do what you must do, but don't let the

4421
03:11:52,080 --> 03:11:55,279
bureaucrats run over you, deceiving you,

4422
03:11:55,279 --> 03:11:58,000
manipulating you, and in the end they

4423
03:11:58,000 --> 03:12:01,920
collute the developer and the the

4424
03:12:01,920 --> 03:12:04,880
employee.

4425
03:12:04,880 --> 03:12:08,960
What's this? It's time to look for

4426
03:12:08,960 --> 03:12:13,190
drastic solutions.

4427
03:12:13,200 --> 03:12:16,160
Serve the people.

4428
03:12:16,160 --> 03:12:18,080
If you cannot serve the people, then

4429
03:12:18,080 --> 03:12:21,200
what are you doing there in the dasis?

4430
03:12:21,200 --> 03:12:25,520
Serve the people. We the people.

4431
03:12:25,520 --> 03:12:27,359
So

4432
03:12:27,359 --> 03:12:29,279
we want to see actions. We want to see

4433
03:12:29,279 --> 03:12:30,880
results.

4434
03:12:30,880 --> 03:12:35,040
I take the bus day and night.

4435
03:12:35,040 --> 03:12:37,600
I stopped driving my hybrid since the

4436
03:12:37,600 --> 03:12:41,439
1990s because of climate concerns. You

4437
03:12:41,439 --> 03:12:43,760
can do the same.

4438
03:12:43,760 --> 03:12:46,800
You certainly can.

4439
03:12:46,800 --> 03:12:49,920
So, let's do it. What are you waiting

4440
03:12:49,920 --> 03:12:52,880
for? Give us the solution. Serve the

4441
03:12:52,880 --> 03:12:54,640
people with the people and for the

4442
03:12:54,640 --> 03:12:55,760
people and of the people.

4443
03:12:55,760 --> 03:13:00,070
>> Thank you.

4444
03:13:00,080 --> 03:13:01,439
» Next speaker is Casey Rodriguez,

4445
03:13:01,439 --> 03:13:08,070
followed by Debbie Fox.

4446
03:13:08,080 --> 03:13:10,880
Once again, my own opinion. I oppose

4447
03:13:10,880 --> 03:13:12,640
this item.

4448
03:13:12,640 --> 03:13:14,880
I don't think people understand how many

4449
03:13:14,880 --> 03:13:17,040
people living here are already living on

4450
03:13:17,040 --> 03:13:20,080
a very tight budget.

4451
03:13:20,080 --> 03:13:22,560
We really need to think of those people.

4452
03:13:22,560 --> 03:13:25,279
They say $35. I don't think they

4453
03:13:25,279 --> 03:13:26,800
understand

4454
03:13:26,800 --> 03:13:29,760
the pressure of having to either pay for

4455
03:13:29,760 --> 03:13:34,560
gas in our car to buy our medication to

4456
03:13:34,560 --> 03:13:36,720
go grocery shopping.

4457
03:13:36,720 --> 03:13:38,720
And the last thing anybody needs to do

4458
03:13:38,720 --> 03:13:41,359
is worry about a ridiculous parking fee.

4459
03:13:41,359 --> 03:13:44,000
especially those who are working very

4460
03:13:44,000 --> 03:13:47,840
limited hours as it is.

4461
03:13:47,840 --> 03:13:49,520
People should have the right to park

4462
03:13:49,520 --> 03:13:52,560
downtown for free and enjoy downtown how

4463
03:13:52,560 --> 03:13:55,520
they choose. Whether it's enjoying the

4464
03:13:55,520 --> 03:13:58,479
beach, hiking the trails, enjoying the

4465
03:13:58,479 --> 03:14:01,279
great museums, art to supporting a

4466
03:14:01,279 --> 03:14:03,600
business with the money they will save

4467
03:14:03,600 --> 03:14:06,800
for not paying a parking fee if this is

4468
03:14:06,800 --> 03:14:09,840
about supporting downtown businesses.

4469
03:14:09,840 --> 03:14:12,160
However, we must stop thinking of how to

4470
03:14:12,160 --> 03:14:14,560
grab every single dollar from the

4471
03:14:14,560 --> 03:14:17,120
people. That's what it seems like this

4472
03:14:17,120 --> 03:14:19,439
whole night has been about. How to get

4473
03:14:19,439 --> 03:14:22,319
more and more money. Why are we not

4474
03:14:22,319 --> 03:14:24,080
talking about what we can do for the

4475
03:14:24,080 --> 03:14:26,800
people, the ways that we can come up and

4476
03:14:26,800 --> 03:14:29,359
serve the people instead of always

4477
03:14:29,359 --> 03:14:32,319
talking about another dollar

4478
03:14:32,319 --> 03:14:34,560
and how the people feel they are truly

4479
03:14:34,560 --> 03:14:37,920
invited in this city to come downtown

4480
03:14:37,920 --> 03:14:40,960
and enjoy how they choose. With the

4481
03:14:40,960 --> 03:14:43,840
mentions of the harbor since the parking

4482
03:14:43,840 --> 03:14:46,560
fee has started, I personally have seen

4483
03:14:46,560 --> 03:14:49,840
their parking lot emptier. Seeing this,

4484
03:14:49,840 --> 03:14:52,800
I think it is safe to say the businesses

4485
03:14:52,800 --> 03:14:56,560
there are being negatively affected.

4486
03:14:56,560 --> 03:14:59,840
Furthering free parking downtown will

4487
03:14:59,840 --> 03:15:02,080
create an issue for many people with

4488
03:15:02,080 --> 03:15:04,720
mobility issues, whether they are

4489
03:15:04,720 --> 03:15:07,760
elderly or disabled.

4490
03:15:07,760 --> 03:15:09,760
We can't just assume everybody has

4491
03:15:09,760 --> 03:15:11,920
healthy bodies and have the ability to

4492
03:15:11,920 --> 03:15:14,960
just walk a couple extra blocks. As a

4493
03:15:14,960 --> 03:15:17,680
former Ark employee, I know how many

4494
03:15:17,680 --> 03:15:20,560
participants enjoy coming downtown

4495
03:15:20,560 --> 03:15:23,359
rather going to the movies, thrifting,

4496
03:15:23,359 --> 03:15:26,640
or having a lunch at the park or beach.

4497
03:15:26,640 --> 03:15:29,520
For many of them, their ark outings are

4498
03:15:29,520 --> 03:15:31,760
the only outings they will adventure on

4499
03:15:31,760 --> 03:15:34,399
during the week. Please don't make it

4500
03:15:34,399 --> 03:15:36,479
more difficult.

4501
03:15:36,479 --> 03:15:39,600
at some as some posts saying their

4502
03:15:39,600 --> 03:15:41,760
opinion of Main Street being empty. This

4503
03:15:41,760 --> 03:15:44,880
parking fee will keep more people away.

4504
03:15:44,880 --> 03:15:46,880
Are we thinking of those who are paying

4505
03:15:46,880 --> 03:15:48,640
to live here or are we thinking of out

4506
03:15:48,640 --> 03:15:51,520
in the town tourists? As we mentioned

4507
03:15:51,520 --> 03:15:55,200
about Main Street moves when the final

4508
03:15:55,200 --> 03:15:57,840
uh survey for the final vote of closing,

4509
03:15:57,840 --> 03:15:59,920
I asked for a shuttle for those who are

4510
03:15:59,920 --> 03:16:02,319
disabled and elderly so they can have

4511
03:16:02,319 --> 03:16:05,279
access to enjoy downtown. There's more

4512
03:16:05,279 --> 03:16:07,840
that we can say, but I think you get the

4513
03:16:07,840 --> 03:16:10,479
vibe from everyone here. It's a no.

4514
03:16:10,479 --> 03:16:12,800
>> Debbie Fox, followed by Lynn Arnell

4515
03:16:12,800 --> 03:16:18,469
Brown.

4516
03:16:18,479 --> 03:16:20,880
» Hi.

4517
03:16:20,880 --> 03:16:23,200
Super interesting. Okay, [clears throat]

4518
03:16:23,200 --> 03:16:26,080
first of all, the 90 minutes free that's

4519
03:16:26,080 --> 03:16:29,120
like offering financing and then when

4520
03:16:29,120 --> 03:16:31,520
you get to the like if financing for

4521
03:16:31,520 --> 03:16:33,920
free for 6 months and when you get to 6

4522
03:16:33,920 --> 03:16:36,399
months in one day you're whacked with

4523
03:16:36,399 --> 03:16:39,439
33% interest for that whole time. That's

4524
03:16:39,439 --> 03:16:41,920
what 90 minutes free and then getting to

4525
03:16:41,920 --> 03:16:44,479
91. So that's my opinion on that. The

4526
03:16:44,479 --> 03:16:47,920
survey you asked if they didn't want to

4527
03:16:47,920 --> 03:16:49,760
move their car. Of course they're going

4528
03:16:49,760 --> 03:16:51,840
to not want to move their car. You

4529
03:16:51,840 --> 03:16:53,520
didn't ask them if they wanted to pay.

4530
03:16:53,520 --> 03:16:55,439
If they were willing to pay. How much

4531
03:16:55,439 --> 03:16:57,600
are you willing to pay to not move your

4532
03:16:57,600 --> 03:16:59,520
car?

4533
03:16:59,520 --> 03:17:01,680
Employees would rather move their car

4534
03:17:01,680 --> 03:17:05,680
midshift than pay for this.

4535
03:17:05,680 --> 03:17:07,680
They're being paid. They're not clocking

4536
03:17:07,680 --> 03:17:09,760
out. The employers are paying for that.

4537
03:17:09,760 --> 03:17:11,439
And then the employees are going to move

4538
03:17:11,439 --> 03:17:16,640
their car. One solution is to take the lots that are a problem and split

4539
03:17:16,640 --> 03:17:18,160
them like you've split the parking

4540
03:17:18,160 --> 03:17:20,960
structure. That's a free solution. At

4541
03:17:20,960 --> 03:17:23,840
the other hand, I loved what Bill said

4542
03:17:23,840 --> 03:17:27,520
where we are spending $64,000

4543
03:17:27,520 --> 03:17:30,800
to make $25,000.

4544
03:17:30,800 --> 03:17:34,000
What business world are you guys living

4545
03:17:34,000 --> 03:17:37,439
in? I'm so happy to hear that you guys

4546
03:17:37,439 --> 03:17:40,080
are saying, "No, we shouldn't do this."

4547
03:17:40,080 --> 03:17:43,359
No, let's talk to the stakeholders, see

4548
03:17:43,359 --> 03:17:45,840
how many people are interested, and then

4549
03:17:45,840 --> 03:17:48,160
we'll approve this. Because let me tell

4550
03:17:48,160 --> 03:17:50,239
you, I found out about this meeting this

4551
03:17:50,239 --> 03:17:53,600
morning and it spread and people had no

4552
03:17:53,600 --> 03:17:55,760
idea. They had no idea. No one could

4553
03:17:55,760 --> 03:18:00,870
plan. No one knows about this.

4554
03:18:00,880 --> 03:18:03,359
Oh, how much are the parking permits for

4555
03:18:03,359 --> 03:18:09,510
city employees? What are they paying?

4556
03:18:09,520 --> 03:18:12,399
And to Bill's point, providing some

4557
03:18:12,399 --> 03:18:14,319
value, the parking structure, most of

4558
03:18:14,319 --> 03:18:16,880
it's half empty most of the time, except

4559
03:18:16,880 --> 03:18:20,399
those key times. And so, no one parks on

4560
03:18:20,399 --> 03:18:22,960
the roof in the sun. Everyone's parking

4561
03:18:22,960 --> 03:18:25,439
in the shade. So, we're providing value

4562
03:18:25,439 --> 03:18:27,279
by asking them to go and park in the

4563
03:18:27,279 --> 03:18:31,110
sun.

4564
03:18:31,120 --> 03:18:32,640
Uh, what are we going to do with the

4565
03:18:32,640 --> 03:18:34,239
money that we get? Well, the parking

4566
03:18:34,239 --> 03:18:35,680
authority used to be I was on the

4567
03:18:35,680 --> 03:18:37,120
parking authority and it used to be

4568
03:18:37,120 --> 03:18:39,600
making money and then what happened is

4569
03:18:39,600 --> 03:18:41,680
that we closed Main Street. We lost the

4570
03:18:41,680 --> 03:18:44,000
most profitable meters and so now we're

4571
03:18:44,000 --> 03:18:46,239
deeply in the in the red. So what's

4572
03:18:46,239 --> 03:18:49,200
happening to that 25,000 which is really

4573
03:18:49,200 --> 03:18:52,640
negative 38,000 is it's going into that

4574
03:18:52,640 --> 03:18:58,389
black hole

4575
03:18:58,399 --> 03:19:00,800
at a time. This is the pre-written part.

4576
03:19:00,800 --> 03:19:02,720
At a time when downtown businesses are

4577
03:19:02,720 --> 03:19:05,520
facing economic challenges, the city

4578
03:19:05,520 --> 03:19:07,760
should be looking for ways to support

4579
03:19:07,760 --> 03:19:11,120
them. We should be reducing barriers to

4580
03:19:11,120 --> 03:19:14,399
doing business downtown, not creating

4581
03:19:14,399 --> 03:19:16,399
new ones.

4582
03:19:16,399 --> 03:19:20,319
Please vote no until you've done a

4583
03:19:20,319 --> 03:19:22,080
thorough

4584
03:19:22,080 --> 03:19:23,840
talking to the business owners.

4585
03:19:23,840 --> 03:19:26,800
>> Thank you.

4586
03:19:26,800 --> 03:19:28,479
Next speaker is Lynn Arnell Brown,

4587
03:19:28,479 --> 03:19:34,150
followed by our final speaker, Nirvana.

4588
03:19:34,160 --> 03:19:36,800
» Hello again. I wasn't even planning on

4589
03:19:36,800 --> 03:19:39,600
talking about this until I heard uh the

4590
03:19:39,600 --> 03:19:43,840
bureaucratic cost of employee permits

4591
03:19:43,840 --> 03:19:47,760
boggles my mind. Did anybody just think

4592
03:19:47,760 --> 03:19:50,960
of finding out how many employees work

4593
03:19:50,960 --> 03:19:54,160
in each of the businesses? do an honor

4594
03:19:54,160 --> 03:19:56,960
system asking those business owners, how

4595
03:19:56,960 --> 03:19:59,600
many permits would you need? And then

4596
03:19:59,600 --> 03:20:03,040
just print out a decal that can be put

4597
03:20:03,040 --> 03:20:06,640
on their windshield that lasts a year.

4598
03:20:06,640 --> 03:20:12,640
Nobody would be out $88 a month permit.

4599
03:20:12,640 --> 03:20:15,520
Don't even worry about permits. Do an

4600
03:20:15,520 --> 03:20:18,640
honor system. Maybe that's simplistic,

4601
03:20:18,640 --> 03:20:21,600
but it sure seems cheaper. And I thought

4602
03:20:21,600 --> 03:20:24,560
the city needed to save money, not spend

4603
03:20:24,560 --> 03:20:27,760
it. And as far as the 90minute parking,

4604
03:20:27,760 --> 03:20:31,040
if it's free, it should be free. There

4605
03:20:31,040 --> 03:20:35,040
should not be any retroactive payment.

4606
03:20:35,040 --> 03:20:37,200
Thank you.

4607
03:20:37,200 --> 03:20:48,950
>> And our final speaker is Nirvana.

4608
03:20:48,960 --> 03:20:54,000
Greetings, mayor, council members.

4609
03:20:54,000 --> 03:20:58,399
Um, I have a couple of questions.

4610
03:20:58,399 --> 03:21:02,080
The first one is, does this include

4611
03:21:02,080 --> 03:21:06,160
the the the park public parking at Santa

4612
03:21:06,160 --> 03:21:10,080
Clara and Palm and does it include

4613
03:21:10,080 --> 03:21:13,520
the the the parking lot at Figuroa and

4614
03:21:13,520 --> 03:21:18,469
Palm outside of the tavern?

4615
03:21:18,479 --> 03:21:21,600
That's a question.

4616
03:21:21,600 --> 03:21:23,680
Don't have an answer. These are all

4617
03:21:23,680 --> 03:21:27,120
public parking spaces, public lots.

4618
03:21:27,120 --> 03:21:28,960
Okay, that that's my question to you

4619
03:21:28,960 --> 03:21:31,680
guys because I don't think that the peop

4620
03:21:31,680 --> 03:21:34,319
that that the patrons at the tavern

4621
03:21:34,319 --> 03:21:37,600
would appreciate having to pay to go,

4622
03:21:37,600 --> 03:21:41,439
you know, to park outside their

4623
03:21:41,439 --> 03:21:44,560
place of eery and and where they drink

4624
03:21:44,560 --> 03:21:46,800
or whatever.

4625
03:21:46,800 --> 03:21:48,880
And um

4626
03:21:48,880 --> 03:21:51,120
also I'd like to talk about the

4627
03:21:51,120 --> 03:21:55,680
residents that live on Main Street and

4628
03:21:55,680 --> 03:21:58,319
around Main Street.

4629
03:21:58,319 --> 03:22:00,479
How about let's get some permits for

4630
03:22:00,479 --> 03:22:03,439
them?

4631
03:22:03,439 --> 03:22:04,880
And I'm talking to everybody. I'm

4632
03:22:04,880 --> 03:22:07,520
talking the entire city council

4633
03:22:07,520 --> 03:22:10,000
and these guys, too,

4634
03:22:10,000 --> 03:22:13,359
because I know people that live on Main

4635
03:22:13,359 --> 03:22:15,279
Street that can't find parking. They

4636
03:22:15,279 --> 03:22:17,600
have to go park way away from their

4637
03:22:17,600 --> 03:22:20,800
where they live. And I know one woman

4638
03:22:20,800 --> 03:22:23,040
personally

4639
03:22:23,040 --> 03:22:26,000
that lives around uh Oak and Main

4640
03:22:26,000 --> 03:22:28,319
Street, right off Main Street, I think

4641
03:22:28,319 --> 03:22:31,120
between Oak and Paulie

4642
03:22:31,120 --> 03:22:33,680
or I mean Maine and Paulie. She had to

4643
03:22:33,680 --> 03:22:35,840
completely get rid of her car because

4644
03:22:35,840 --> 03:22:40,640
she couldn't find parking.

4645
03:22:40,640 --> 03:22:42,720
So, I I would suggest if we're going to

4646
03:22:42,720 --> 03:22:45,680
give permits to people for parking,

4647
03:22:45,680 --> 03:22:48,000
let's give it to the residents in the

4648
03:22:48,000 --> 03:22:51,120
downtown area, let's create

4649
03:22:51,120 --> 03:22:54,319
some residential parking permits for

4650
03:22:54,319 --> 03:22:56,479
these residents that live in the

4651
03:22:56,479 --> 03:22:59,040
downtown area.

4652
03:22:59,040 --> 03:23:01,439
Thank you,

4653
03:23:01,439 --> 03:23:03,279
mayor. That concludes public comment on

4654
03:23:03,279 --> 03:23:04,640
item 12.

4655
03:23:04,640 --> 03:23:06,319
>> Thank you, and thank you to everyone who

4656
03:23:06,319 --> 03:23:08,720
spoke tonight on this item. Um, I'll

4657
03:23:08,720 --> 03:23:10,319
bring it back to council for final

4658
03:23:10,319 --> 03:23:13,359
questions um before closing the public

4659
03:23:13,359 --> 03:23:14,880
hearing.

4660
03:23:14,880 --> 03:23:16,080
>> Any additional [clears throat] questions

4661
03:23:16,080 --> 03:23:19,200
from my colleagues?

4662
03:23:19,200 --> 03:23:20,880
>> Council member Mc Reynolds, followed by

4663
03:23:20,880 --> 03:23:22,399
Council Member Durant.

4664
03:23:22,399 --> 03:23:24,640
>> Um, one of the public speakers brought

4665
03:23:24,640 --> 03:23:27,680
up the idea of uh a parking pass for

4666
03:23:27,680 --> 03:23:30,080
residents. You know, I'm just picking a

4667
03:23:30,080 --> 03:23:32,640
number like $100 a year, $200 a year,

4668
03:23:32,640 --> 03:23:34,479
whatever. Is that something that we

4669
03:23:34,479 --> 03:23:37,520
could consider where it just resolves?

4670
03:23:37,520 --> 03:23:39,520
>> We we currently we do have a residential

4671
03:23:39,520 --> 03:23:41,840
parking permit program in a downtown. If

4672
03:23:41,840 --> 03:23:43,040
you live on a street where there's

4673
03:23:43,040 --> 03:23:44,880
>> No, no. I'm talking about like me on the

4674
03:23:44,880 --> 03:23:45,840
east end. Oh,

4675
03:23:45,840 --> 03:23:48,319
>> I just I want to come downtown every

4676
03:23:48,319 --> 03:23:49,840
Wednesday for dinner and I just want to

4677
03:23:49,840 --> 03:23:52,720
buy a not I don't want to deal with the

4678
03:23:52,720 --> 03:23:55,040
you know, can I just reg pre-register my

4679
03:23:55,040 --> 03:23:56,560
vehicle

4680
03:23:56,560 --> 03:23:59,279
and just park?

4681
03:23:59,279 --> 03:24:00,880
>> Sure, that is definitely an option to

4682
03:24:00,880 --> 03:24:02,880
do. We can bring something forward like

4683
03:24:02,880 --> 03:24:05,920
that as a residential citywide uh

4684
03:24:05,920 --> 03:24:07,600
parking permit program. Yes, we can do

4685
03:24:07,600 --> 03:24:08,160
something like that.

4686
03:24:08,160 --> 03:24:10,640
>> Yeah. Thank you.

4687
03:24:10,640 --> 03:24:12,720
>> Thank you, Council Member Durant.

4688
03:24:12,720 --> 03:24:14,080
>> Thank you, Madam Mayor. So, based on

4689
03:24:14,080 --> 03:24:15,520
what we've discussed already and all the

4690
03:24:15,520 --> 03:24:16,560
questions that we've asked tonight,

4691
03:24:16,560 --> 03:24:18,080
where where are we? What exactly do you

4692
03:24:18,080 --> 03:24:19,600
need from us? because it doesn't sound

4693
03:24:19,600 --> 03:24:24,640
like um the um employee parking is is a

4694
03:24:24,640 --> 03:24:27,920
I mean I [clears throat] I personally

4695
03:24:27,920 --> 03:24:29,840
when we didn't ask any of the other

4696
03:24:29,840 --> 03:24:32,880
businesses would they pay I I think does

4697
03:24:32,880 --> 03:24:36,960
it make sense? Um so so is that are we

4698
03:24:36,960 --> 03:24:38,080
are you just going to bring that back?

4699
03:24:38,080 --> 03:24:40,880
Is that something you could do?

4700
03:24:40,880 --> 03:24:44,319
If if I may, Council Member Duran, um I

4701
03:24:44,319 --> 03:24:46,160
might have a question for the city

4702
03:24:46,160 --> 03:24:47,840
attorney on the best way to go about

4703
03:24:47,840 --> 03:24:52,960
that if council was to exclude um

4704
03:24:52,960 --> 03:24:56,399
recommendation C tonight on the to adopt

4705
03:24:56,399 --> 03:24:58,399
a resolution establishing a downtown

4706
03:24:58,399 --> 03:25:01,279
employee parking permit fee, but move

4707
03:25:01,279 --> 03:25:03,200
forward with recommendation B

4708
03:25:03,200 --> 03:25:05,520
establishing the ordinance. staff could

4709
03:25:05,520 --> 03:25:07,439
move forward to coastal commission

4710
03:25:07,439 --> 03:25:09,680
establish the framework but it could not

4711
03:25:09,680 --> 03:25:12,080
be implemented because there'd be no fee

4712
03:25:12,080 --> 03:25:14,640
by resolution from council.

4713
03:25:14,640 --> 03:25:16,640
So that would be an option if you choose

4714
03:25:16,640 --> 03:25:19,120
to establish the framework start the

4715
03:25:19,120 --> 03:25:21,520
coastal commission process and require

4716
03:25:21,520 --> 03:25:23,120
staff to come back after further

4717
03:25:23,120 --> 03:25:25,520
outreach has has occurred um and and

4718
03:25:25,520 --> 03:25:26,880
more thought has been put into this then

4719
03:25:26,880 --> 03:25:28,800
that would be a way to go about it.

4720
03:25:28,800 --> 03:25:33,840
>> Okay. So, so the plan is possibly to

4721
03:25:33,840 --> 03:25:36,080
have an employee parking fee. Is that

4722
03:25:36,080 --> 03:25:38,800
what that So, that's still the plan.

4723
03:25:38,800 --> 03:25:41,520
>> So, so I think what uh uh Mr. Roberts

4724
03:25:41,520 --> 03:25:43,760
was saying to not adopt the fee?

4725
03:25:43,760 --> 03:25:44,720
>> Not adopt that. Okay.

4726
03:25:44,720 --> 03:25:46,560
>> Just just approve the municipal code

4727
03:25:46,560 --> 03:25:48,160
changes to allow it and then we could

4728
03:25:48,160 --> 03:25:48,800
come back.

4729
03:25:48,800 --> 03:25:49,439
>> Awesome.

4730
03:25:49,439 --> 03:25:50,560
>> With some more information on that.

4731
03:25:50,560 --> 03:25:51,680
>> And so when you say you're going to come

4732
03:25:51,680 --> 03:25:53,120
back for some more with some more

4733
03:25:53,120 --> 03:25:54,960
information, you're going to do a a

4734
03:25:54,960 --> 03:25:56,640
study. You're going to ask business

4735
03:25:56,640 --> 03:25:59,279
owners and employees. I would further

4736
03:25:59,279 --> 03:26:01,600
add to that, council member Duran, that

4737
03:26:01,600 --> 03:26:03,600
again that we would come back to the

4738
03:26:03,600 --> 03:26:06,720
city council for uh implementation

4739
03:26:06,720 --> 03:26:08,399
direction direction from the city

4740
03:26:08,399 --> 03:26:10,720
council to direct the program that would

4741
03:26:10,720 --> 03:26:12,720
include what the fee would be. In the

4742
03:26:12,720 --> 03:26:14,880
meantime, as I've committed to council

4743
03:26:14,880 --> 03:26:16,800
member Compost, that we would do public

4744
03:26:16,800 --> 03:26:19,200
outreach, including reaching out as much

4745
03:26:19,200 --> 03:26:21,279
as we can with the business owners.

4746
03:26:21,279 --> 03:26:24,239
>> I public out public outreach is awesome.

4747
03:26:24,239 --> 03:26:26,880
>> Yeah. But public outreach is not

4748
03:26:26,880 --> 03:26:28,080
necessarily what we're looking for.

4749
03:26:28,080 --> 03:26:29,920
business owners and

4750
03:26:29,920 --> 03:26:32,880
employees. I I it does public is

4751
03:26:32,880 --> 03:26:34,640
>> I said public outreach, but I meant

4752
03:26:34,640 --> 03:26:36,080
specifically more with the business

4753
03:26:36,080 --> 03:26:36,720
owners.

4754
03:26:36,720 --> 03:26:37,120
>> Right.

4755
03:26:37,120 --> 03:26:38,319
>> What point? Well taken.

4756
03:26:38,319 --> 03:26:41,200
>> Okay. Okay. Thank you.

4757
03:26:41,200 --> 03:26:42,720
>> Thank you, Council Member Mcyns,

4758
03:26:42,720 --> 03:26:44,880
followed by Council Member Schumacher.

4759
03:26:44,880 --> 03:26:46,880
>> So, I I have a little bit of an issue if

4760
03:26:46,880 --> 03:26:48,640
we're not taking a fee forward on the

4761
03:26:48,640 --> 03:26:50,640
employee program. So, we're going to

4762
03:26:50,640 --> 03:26:53,120
tell the Coastal Commission. I I feel

4763
03:26:53,120 --> 03:26:55,200
like well, let me back. I feel like

4764
03:26:55,200 --> 03:26:56,479
there's an opportunity for a bait and

4765
03:26:56,479 --> 03:26:58,239
switch here. So, we know the fully

4766
03:26:58,239 --> 03:27:01,359
burdened cost is $88 a month.

4767
03:27:01,359 --> 03:27:02,720
We're going to but we're going to not

4768
03:27:02,720 --> 03:27:04,080
say that and then we're going to say

4769
03:27:04,080 --> 03:27:07,359
we're going to take it to 35, but then

4770
03:27:07,359 --> 03:27:09,520
in the back of our mind, we always know

4771
03:27:09,520 --> 03:27:12,160
that it should be $88. You know, why

4772
03:27:12,160 --> 03:27:13,439
wouldn't we want the Coastal Commission

4773
03:27:13,439 --> 03:27:16,160
to weigh in on the fully burdened fee

4774
03:27:16,160 --> 03:27:18,479
versus the subsidy?

4775
03:27:18,479 --> 03:27:21,279
like Council Member Mc Reynolds, that is

4776
03:27:21,279 --> 03:27:22,960
a possibility. That could be a direction

4777
03:27:22,960 --> 03:27:25,279
from the city council. Uh might make

4778
03:27:25,279 --> 03:27:28,319
more sense with the um coastal

4779
03:27:28,319 --> 03:27:30,720
commission and they get the full fee,

4780
03:27:30,720 --> 03:27:34,160
the $88, and then um that would not

4781
03:27:34,160 --> 03:27:37,840
preclude us from charging less later at

4782
03:27:37,840 --> 03:27:40,080
your direction, at your policy that you

4783
03:27:40,080 --> 03:27:41,840
would make on what we would ultimately

4784
03:27:41,840 --> 03:27:44,880
charge for a employee permit.

4785
03:27:44,880 --> 03:27:46,800
>> Yeah, I'm still choking on the fact that

4786
03:27:46,800 --> 03:27:48,319
we would spend

4787
03:27:48,319 --> 03:27:52,080
64,000 to make 25. So that still doesn't

4788
03:27:52,080 --> 03:27:54,720
quite make sense to me, but I I just as

4789
03:27:54,720 --> 03:27:56,399
we we're just debating this, that's

4790
03:27:56,399 --> 03:27:58,160
where I'm at. Thank you.

4791
03:27:58,160 --> 03:27:59,600
>> Thank you for those comments. Um,

4792
03:27:59,600 --> 03:28:01,040
Council Member Schumacher, followed by

4793
03:28:01,040 --> 03:28:02,080
Deputy Mayor Halter.

4794
03:28:02,080 --> 03:28:05,040
>> Thank you, Mayor. I um

4795
03:28:05,040 --> 03:28:07,760
I'm just not This is a question for for

4796
03:28:07,760 --> 03:28:10,960
you all, too. Um, well, maybe not. I I I

4797
03:28:10,960 --> 03:28:12,319
don't feel comfortable moving forward

4798
03:28:12,319 --> 03:28:15,120
with this at all. Um, I just don't think

4799
03:28:15,120 --> 03:28:18,239
that it's it's packaged well and this

4800
03:28:18,239 --> 03:28:20,399
ordinance is missing the most important

4801
03:28:20,399 --> 03:28:22,319
really crucial part of it and that is

4802
03:28:22,319 --> 03:28:24,960
the the public's voice. And so I don't

4803
03:28:24,960 --> 03:28:26,720
necessarily know I know we're not at

4804
03:28:26,720 --> 03:28:28,399
deliberations and I was going to ask a

4805
03:28:28,399 --> 03:28:29,760
question but I just wanted to make sure

4806
03:28:29,760 --> 03:28:32,640
that that that comment was out there. Um

4807
03:28:32,640 --> 03:28:35,120
because honestly if there's something if

4808
03:28:35,120 --> 03:28:37,279
we're going to piece this out but you

4809
03:28:37,279 --> 03:28:39,840
all presented it as a whole the whole

4810
03:28:39,840 --> 03:28:42,239
thing just doesn't seem right to me. Um,

4811
03:28:42,239 --> 03:28:44,960
so I guess I lost my question in that

4812
03:28:44,960 --> 03:28:47,600
comment, but I I just can't I can't I

4813
03:28:47,600 --> 03:28:48,720
can't support this.

4814
03:28:48,720 --> 03:28:50,720
>> If you get the question back, I can come

4815
03:28:50,720 --> 03:28:52,560
back to you, [laughter] Deputy Mayor

4816
03:28:52,560 --> 03:28:53,200
Halter.

4817
03:28:53,200 --> 03:28:55,840
>> Great. Thank you. Um, okay. So again,

4818
03:28:55,840 --> 03:28:57,600
tonight it's really about looking at

4819
03:28:57,600 --> 03:29:02,720
municipal code and and uh allowing a

4820
03:29:02,720 --> 03:29:05,200
path forward in the future that may

4821
03:29:05,200 --> 03:29:08,000
consider expanding parking and may

4822
03:29:08,000 --> 03:29:12,080
consider having an employee parking fee.

4823
03:29:12,080 --> 03:29:14,560
Um it's not saying we're going to do it.

4824
03:29:14,560 --> 03:29:16,880
just gives us a tool as we move

4825
03:29:16,880 --> 03:29:18,880
forward whether it's now or five years

4826
03:29:18,880 --> 03:29:21,279
from now that it broadens the municipal

4827
03:29:21,279 --> 03:29:22,560
code. Right.

4828
03:29:22,560 --> 03:29:24,319
>> That's correct. And also the time limit

4829
03:29:24,319 --> 03:29:25,040
changes

4830
03:29:25,040 --> 03:29:25,760
>> and the

4831
03:29:25,760 --> 03:29:27,520
>> the time limit it allows our public

4832
03:29:27,520 --> 03:29:29,200
works director or designate to change

4833
03:29:29,200 --> 03:29:31,120
time limit changes in parking lots.

4834
03:29:31,120 --> 03:29:34,319
>> Okay. Yes. Okay. Uh and would th those

4835
03:29:34,319 --> 03:29:36,640
ch those time limit changes happen with

4836
03:29:36,640 --> 03:29:38,960
council approval would they just happen?

4837
03:29:38,960 --> 03:29:41,279
>> They would with this municipal code

4838
03:29:41,279 --> 03:29:43,840
change um the it would not it would be

4839
03:29:43,840 --> 03:29:46,479
administratively. So if we felt a lot

4840
03:29:46,479 --> 03:29:48,640
needed to go from 4 hour to eight hour

4841
03:29:48,640 --> 03:29:50,239
or eight hour to four hour, then we can

4842
03:29:50,239 --> 03:29:52,720
make that change um administratively,

4843
03:29:52,720 --> 03:29:53,840
but it [clears throat] could also be at

4844
03:29:53,840 --> 03:29:55,439
council's direction as well. So it does

4845
03:29:55,439 --> 03:29:56,080
for both.

4846
03:29:56,080 --> 03:29:57,760
>> I just want to make sure that it's with

4847
03:29:57,760 --> 03:30:00,560
some input on what those changes might

4848
03:30:00,560 --> 03:30:02,640
want to be. Okay. And now you're talking

4849
03:30:02,640 --> 03:30:08,160
about um about um making time changes

4850
03:30:08,160 --> 03:30:10,399
and then we're also allowing the

4851
03:30:10,399 --> 03:30:14,319
potential for paid parking to expand.

4852
03:30:14,319 --> 03:30:17,200
um and we're allowing for the potential

4853
03:30:17,200 --> 03:30:21,840
to have uh employee um permits. It's not

4854
03:30:21,840 --> 03:30:23,600
saying we're going to do any of those.

4855
03:30:23,600 --> 03:30:26,080
It just broadens the ability to do

4856
03:30:26,080 --> 03:30:29,279
whatever the future be holds. And I

4857
03:30:29,279 --> 03:30:31,120
assume all that I don't imagine whether

4858
03:30:31,120 --> 03:30:32,880
it's this council or the next council or

4859
03:30:32,880 --> 03:30:35,200
the one after that that anybody would

4860
03:30:35,200 --> 03:30:37,520
make a decision without having the input

4861
03:30:37,520 --> 03:30:39,040
from the business owners and the

4862
03:30:39,040 --> 03:30:42,640
employees, especially the public. But I

4863
03:30:42,640 --> 03:30:44,239
think I have that right. So it's it's

4864
03:30:44,239 --> 03:30:45,680
really about municipal go because right

4865
03:30:45,680 --> 03:30:47,840
now if we said yes if everyone was in

4866
03:30:47,840 --> 03:30:49,040
agreement and say yeah let's go ahead

4867
03:30:49,040 --> 03:30:50,560
and do this parking permit and do that

4868
03:30:50,560 --> 03:30:51,600
it's still going to take what the

4869
03:30:51,600 --> 03:30:52,880
coastal commission I don't think they do

4870
03:30:52,880 --> 03:30:54,479
anything less than a year year and a

4871
03:30:54,479 --> 03:30:58,160
half right I mean you're talking getting

4872
03:30:58,160 --> 03:31:01,520
something in in place so it could be a

4873
03:31:01,520 --> 03:31:03,359
tool that we could use right and I think

4874
03:31:03,359 --> 03:31:04,800
it would take like a year or so wouldn't

4875
03:31:04,800 --> 03:31:05,760
it

4876
03:31:05,760 --> 03:31:06,560
>> correct yes

4877
03:31:06,560 --> 03:31:08,960
>> yeah so nothing can happen without that

4878
03:31:08,960 --> 03:31:10,560
so it's just a starting point it's put

4879
03:31:10,560 --> 03:31:12,479
it's filling your toolbox with things to

4880
03:31:12,479 --> 03:31:14,560
discuss when that time's appropriate.

4881
03:31:14,560 --> 03:31:15,920
And I would agree with council member Mc

4882
03:31:15,920 --> 03:31:18,399
Reynolds that I would share with the

4883
03:31:18,399 --> 03:31:21,359
coastal commission what the true costs

4884
03:31:21,359 --> 03:31:24,399
would be. Uh and then it's it's kind of

4885
03:31:24,399 --> 03:31:26,960
out there that whether again this

4886
03:31:26,960 --> 03:31:28,640
whatever council it is that makes that

4887
03:31:28,640 --> 03:31:32,000
decision with the support of the public

4888
03:31:32,000 --> 03:31:34,239
um that we're not automatically assuming

4889
03:31:34,239 --> 03:31:36,160
we're going to subsidize the program.

4890
03:31:36,160 --> 03:31:37,439
You know, that's what I'll do. That's

4891
03:31:37,439 --> 03:31:40,080
how I'm looking at it.

4892
03:31:40,080 --> 03:31:42,479
>> Council member Duran. Um, thank you,

4893
03:31:42,479 --> 03:31:44,640
Madam Mayor. By, by the way, I want to

4894
03:31:44,640 --> 03:31:46,880
let you know I use the uh the app for

4895
03:31:46,880 --> 03:31:48,960
parking and I absolutely love it. I

4896
03:31:48,960 --> 03:31:51,600
think it's awesome. So, it wasn't all

4897
03:31:51,600 --> 03:31:54,239
bad tonight. So, thank you. I do want to

4898
03:31:54,239 --> 03:31:56,880
know what authority does council lose

4899
03:31:56,880 --> 03:31:58,399
tonight, like if if we were to approve

4900
03:31:58,399 --> 03:32:01,200
any of this, um what parking decisions

4901
03:32:01,200 --> 03:32:02,720
can staff make without bringing it back

4902
03:32:02,720 --> 03:32:03,760
to us?

4903
03:32:03,760 --> 03:32:06,080
>> The the only thing that it would um

4904
03:32:06,080 --> 03:32:08,319
allow administratively is the time limit

4905
03:32:08,319 --> 03:32:09,200
changes.

4906
03:32:09,200 --> 03:32:11,439
>> Okay. which

4907
03:32:11,439 --> 03:32:14,000
on spaces we do 24-minute zones, we do

4908
03:32:14,000 --> 03:32:15,200
red curb. So those are the kind of

4909
03:32:15,200 --> 03:32:17,680
things and also inside parking lots.

4910
03:32:17,680 --> 03:32:20,960
>> So this is a clarification. So we have

4911
03:32:20,960 --> 03:32:22,479
done those historically. Yeah.

4912
03:32:22,479 --> 03:32:23,279
>> Now

4913
03:32:23,279 --> 03:32:25,600
>> big changes where we're if we do change

4914
03:32:25,600 --> 03:32:28,479
a hu a lot to four hour this that would

4915
03:32:28,479 --> 03:32:29,600
be something that we would inform

4916
03:32:29,600 --> 03:32:30,239
council on.

4917
03:32:30,239 --> 03:32:30,720
>> Perfect.

4918
03:32:30,720 --> 03:32:32,239
>> But this this really allows us to do

4919
03:32:32,239 --> 03:32:33,600
some of the smaller stuff that we've

4920
03:32:33,600 --> 03:32:35,680
done historically and really clarifies

4921
03:32:35,680 --> 03:32:36,160
that.

4922
03:32:36,160 --> 03:32:37,439
>> Thank you. Thanks so much. Thank you

4923
03:32:37,439 --> 03:32:40,000
madam mayor. Thank you. Um, if there

4924
03:32:40,000 --> 03:32:42,560
aren't any other questions from

4925
03:32:42,560 --> 03:32:44,239
colleagues, I'll go ahead and close the

4926
03:32:44,239 --> 03:32:47,439
hearing now. Um, and we'll enter council

4927
03:32:47,439 --> 03:32:50,000
deliberations. So, if anybody wants to

4928
03:32:50,000 --> 03:32:53,040
start that or make a motion, I am here

4929
03:32:53,040 --> 03:32:55,279
for it.

4930
03:32:55,279 --> 03:32:57,439
Council member Mangon.

4931
03:32:57,439 --> 03:32:58,720
>> Thank you, Madam Mayor. I have to agree

4932
03:32:58,720 --> 03:32:59,840
with my colleague, Council Member

4933
03:32:59,840 --> 03:33:02,000
Schumacher. I think I feel like we're

4934
03:33:02,000 --> 03:33:03,920
starting off with a process that's

4935
03:33:03,920 --> 03:33:05,760
confusing. It's unpopular. There's

4936
03:33:05,760 --> 03:33:07,520
really no guarantee that any business

4937
03:33:07,520 --> 03:33:09,439
owner or employee is going to even

4938
03:33:09,439 --> 03:33:12,560
participate to get us through a process

4939
03:33:12,560 --> 03:33:14,399
so we can eventually expand paid

4940
03:33:14,399 --> 03:33:18,000
parking, which is even more unpopular

4941
03:33:18,000 --> 03:33:21,120
concept. So, uh, for that reason, I I

4942
03:33:21,120 --> 03:33:22,800
just can't I can't support it at this

4943
03:33:22,800 --> 03:33:25,040
time.

4944
03:33:25,040 --> 03:33:27,840
>> Council member Schumacher,

4945
03:33:27,840 --> 03:33:30,640
>> I just want to um add to what I had

4946
03:33:30,640 --> 03:33:33,359
stated. Um, you know, our target really

4947
03:33:33,359 --> 03:33:37,920
is to help the businesses in downtown.

4948
03:33:37,920 --> 03:33:40,239
That's we're not here to make money from

4949
03:33:40,239 --> 03:33:43,600
the parking. It's really to assist in

4950
03:33:43,600 --> 03:33:45,200
assuring that the, you know, there's

4951
03:33:45,200 --> 03:33:47,040
enough traffic flow so there's more

4952
03:33:47,040 --> 03:33:48,880
customers to be able to pump more money

4953
03:33:48,880 --> 03:33:50,880
into the businesses downtown. That's the

4954
03:33:50,880 --> 03:33:54,160
focus, right? for us to be able to have

4955
03:33:54,160 --> 03:33:58,239
challenges that um increases the access

4956
03:33:58,239 --> 03:34:00,960
for our workforce and the residents and

4957
03:34:00,960 --> 03:34:03,600
the people trying to do that. It just

4958
03:34:03,600 --> 03:34:06,720
makes it just doesn't make any sense. So

4959
03:34:06,720 --> 03:34:09,200
I I understand that you all want

4960
03:34:09,200 --> 03:34:12,160
something for us to move forward and but

4961
03:34:12,160 --> 03:34:15,439
then you know I I have lost confidence

4962
03:34:15,439 --> 03:34:17,279
if you're bringing something that's not

4963
03:34:17,279 --> 03:34:21,279
fully formed and to me when you bring

4964
03:34:21,279 --> 03:34:24,080
something to this council it has to also

4965
03:34:24,080 --> 03:34:29,040
be in in my mind um with the with the

4966
03:34:29,040 --> 03:34:31,359
support of the community and if you

4967
03:34:31,359 --> 03:34:33,680
haven't done the work in trying to make

4968
03:34:33,680 --> 03:34:35,520
sure that you're hearing the voices from

4969
03:34:35,520 --> 03:34:38,080
the community. Um, then that's something

4970
03:34:38,080 --> 03:34:41,279
that really we should really look into

4971
03:34:41,279 --> 03:34:43,600
how we're doing our process because what

4972
03:34:43,600 --> 03:34:45,279
we're trying to do is we're mo we're

4973
03:34:45,279 --> 03:34:47,439
trying to motivate the right behavior.

4974
03:34:47,439 --> 03:34:49,840
And if we're trying to motivate that

4975
03:34:49,840 --> 03:34:52,239
people don't want to come to downtown,

4976
03:34:52,239 --> 03:34:54,640
this is the way that we do it. We want

4977
03:34:54,640 --> 03:34:57,200
to motivate the right behavior to ensure

4978
03:34:57,200 --> 03:35:00,000
that people stay longer. People want to

4979
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:01,520
make sure that they spend money in

4980
03:35:01,520 --> 03:35:03,600
downtown and that we create something

4981
03:35:03,600 --> 03:35:05,760
downtown that is successful.

4982
03:35:05,760 --> 03:35:08,080
This is not it. And I'm I'm sorry. I

4983
03:35:08,080 --> 03:35:10,399
mean, I think um you know, there's still

4984
03:35:10,399 --> 03:35:12,479
a lot more work that this needs to be

4985
03:35:12,479 --> 03:35:15,600
fleshed out alongside with what we

4986
03:35:15,600 --> 03:35:17,920
really want to make sure to have is that

4987
03:35:17,920 --> 03:35:21,429
public voices.

4988
03:35:21,439 --> 03:35:23,680
» Thank you, Council Member Mcrenolds. It

4989
03:35:23,680 --> 03:35:26,560
was on anymore.

4990
03:35:26,560 --> 03:35:29,120
>> Okay. Um Deputy Mayor Halter, followed

4991
03:35:29,120 --> 03:35:30,319
by Council Member Duran.

4992
03:35:30,319 --> 03:35:33,359
>> Great. Thank you. Okay. Uh this has been

4993
03:35:33,359 --> 03:35:35,760
a long uh I mean I think I've been on

4994
03:35:35,760 --> 03:35:37,120
council six years and we've been

4995
03:35:37,120 --> 03:35:38,640
discussing parking downtown for the

4996
03:35:38,640 --> 03:35:41,680
entire six years and and before. Uh this

4997
03:35:41,680 --> 03:35:43,840
is not a new topic. This is something

4998
03:35:43,840 --> 03:35:45,600
that has been circulated through

4999
03:35:45,600 --> 03:35:48,399
downtown and across the city for many

5000
03:35:48,399 --> 03:35:52,560
years. And uh still yet tonight it's not

5001
03:35:52,560 --> 03:35:55,600
about making paid parking expanded

5002
03:35:55,600 --> 03:35:58,080
beyond where it's at now. It's really

5003
03:35:58,080 --> 03:36:00,960
not about even um employee parking

5004
03:36:00,960 --> 03:36:04,319
permits. It's about giving a tool to

5005
03:36:04,319 --> 03:36:06,640
future councils or this one probably

5006
03:36:06,640 --> 03:36:09,680
future to make changes in the parking

5007
03:36:09,680 --> 03:36:11,760
arrangement because it's really not and

5008
03:36:11,760 --> 03:36:14,560
it's not about revenue generation. It's

5009
03:36:14,560 --> 03:36:17,200
about managing parking

5010
03:36:17,200 --> 03:36:18,960
because I remember the days you don't

5011
03:36:18,960 --> 03:36:21,760
want me to go there but I remember days

5012
03:36:21,760 --> 03:36:23,439
where all of us had our employees

5013
03:36:23,439 --> 03:36:25,200
parking right on Main Street. That's

5014
03:36:25,200 --> 03:36:27,200
what we did. and then they were switch

5015
03:36:27,200 --> 03:36:29,120
and park across the street during, you

5016
03:36:29,120 --> 03:36:31,200
know, half shift, you know, whatever

5017
03:36:31,200 --> 03:36:33,520
they needed to do. So anyway, so I look

5018
03:36:33,520 --> 03:36:36,160
at this and I think, you know, whether

5019
03:36:36,160 --> 03:36:39,200
it's halfbaked or not, it's it's the

5020
03:36:39,200 --> 03:36:41,920
fact that we have to consider the tools

5021
03:36:41,920 --> 03:36:43,920
to create the most vibrant downtown

5022
03:36:43,920 --> 03:36:46,319
possible. We all want that same goal. We

5023
03:36:46,319 --> 03:36:48,239
all want people to be encouraged to come

5024
03:36:48,239 --> 03:36:51,600
to downtown. And I just don't see how

5025
03:36:51,600 --> 03:36:55,840
limiting the tools that

5026
03:36:55,840 --> 03:36:58,319
um you know that are available to us to

5027
03:36:58,319 --> 03:37:01,120
create the most vibrant downtown

5028
03:37:01,120 --> 03:37:03,840
uh helps us get there. It's not like

5029
03:37:03,840 --> 03:37:05,200
we're sitting here tonight saying we're

5030
03:37:05,200 --> 03:37:06,960
going to expand paid parking. It's just

5031
03:37:06,960 --> 03:37:09,200
giving us that option and it's giving us

5032
03:37:09,200 --> 03:37:11,680
that option with the vote uh of the

5033
03:37:11,680 --> 03:37:15,520
council uh and thus elected officials

5034
03:37:15,520 --> 03:37:17,279
listening to the public and what we see

5035
03:37:17,279 --> 03:37:18,720
happening out there. I think from an

5036
03:37:18,720 --> 03:37:21,920
economic standpoint, we're in I know as

5037
03:37:21,920 --> 03:37:24,479
a small business, I feel we're in a very

5038
03:37:24,479 --> 03:37:27,120
precarious situation right now because

5039
03:37:27,120 --> 03:37:28,399
while Wall Street, I think, is

5040
03:37:28,399 --> 03:37:30,560
absolutely betrayed, small businesses,

5041
03:37:30,560 --> 03:37:33,520
the backbone of this country. Um the

5042
03:37:33,520 --> 03:37:35,439
fact is is that small businesses are

5043
03:37:35,439 --> 03:37:38,479
hurting right now. The economy is not as

5044
03:37:38,479 --> 03:37:40,800
good as people think it is by watching

5045
03:37:40,800 --> 03:37:42,399
Wall Street make more and more billions

5046
03:37:42,399 --> 03:37:44,960
of dollars. So, it's a really strange

5047
03:37:44,960 --> 03:37:48,239
situation that's going on. And so it's

5048
03:37:48,239 --> 03:37:50,239
really something where we need to work

5049
03:37:50,239 --> 03:37:53,279
together on what how we use these tools.

5050
03:37:53,279 --> 03:37:55,680
But waiting another year or two years or

5051
03:37:55,680 --> 03:37:58,720
five years to get the approval to create

5052
03:37:58,720 --> 03:38:00,560
the tools, I don't think is the answer.

5053
03:38:00,560 --> 03:38:03,439
I think the answer is to to approve a

5054
03:38:03,439 --> 03:38:05,200
municipal code change that allows for

5055
03:38:05,200 --> 03:38:07,600
these tools to be available when and if

5056
03:38:07,600 --> 03:38:09,359
we choose to make those decisions. and

5057
03:38:09,359 --> 03:38:10,880
making sure that decision has to come

5058
03:38:10,880 --> 03:38:13,040
back to council for a decision whether

5059
03:38:13,040 --> 03:38:15,120
it's changing the hours, whether it's

5060
03:38:15,120 --> 03:38:18,560
inc having a employee permit or whether

5061
03:38:18,560 --> 03:38:21,359
it is uh expanding parking and then

5062
03:38:21,359 --> 03:38:23,200
we'll make that decision together as a

5063
03:38:23,200 --> 03:38:27,200
community. That's how I see it.

5064
03:38:27,200 --> 03:38:29,200
>> Thank you, Council Member Durant.

5065
03:38:29,200 --> 03:38:31,680
>> Thank you, Madam Mayor. And

5066
03:38:31,680 --> 03:38:34,399
um Deputy Mayor Halter, I I I totally

5067
03:38:34,399 --> 03:38:35,600
understand what you're saying.

5068
03:38:35,600 --> 03:38:38,399
Absolutely. I think um one of the things

5069
03:38:38,399 --> 03:38:40,399
we really have to look at though, do we

5070
03:38:40,399 --> 03:38:43,920
want to spend time? Do we want to spend

5071
03:38:43,920 --> 03:38:48,000
time and money uh doing a a survey on

5072
03:38:48,000 --> 03:38:50,160
something we already know nobody wants

5073
03:38:50,160 --> 03:38:53,520
to do? You know what I mean? Like we we

5074
03:38:53,520 --> 03:38:54,880
there's not one employee that's going to

5075
03:38:54,880 --> 03:38:57,120
want us, oh yeah, I'll do that. As far

5076
03:38:57,120 --> 03:38:58,720
as I know. As far as I know. And I don't

5077
03:38:58,720 --> 03:39:00,000
know how many business owners are going

5078
03:39:00,000 --> 03:39:01,840
to say, well, I want to pay for my

5079
03:39:01,840 --> 03:39:04,160
employees. just cuz I mean we our

5080
03:39:04,160 --> 03:39:07,359
downtown isn't isn't doing as great as

5081
03:39:07,359 --> 03:39:08,800
they could right now, right? For

5082
03:39:08,800 --> 03:39:12,160
whatever reason. Um so I would just say

5083
03:39:12,160 --> 03:39:13,439
I don't even know if we should put that

5084
03:39:13,439 --> 03:39:15,600
on the table at all. I mean I it just

5085
03:39:15,600 --> 03:39:17,760
doesn't make sense to me. I really

5086
03:39:17,760 --> 03:39:19,600
appreciate your comment about why don't

5087
03:39:19,600 --> 03:39:21,120
you just issue everybody a permit that

5088
03:39:21,120 --> 03:39:22,640
works down there that works down there

5089
03:39:22,640 --> 03:39:24,479
and then they get an opportunity to park

5090
03:39:24,479 --> 03:39:25,920
wherever they want. I that's something

5091
03:39:25,920 --> 03:39:27,760
that probably needs to to get worked

5092
03:39:27,760 --> 03:39:31,040
out. But um I hear what you're saying,

5093
03:39:31,040 --> 03:39:33,439
council member or um Deputy Mayor

5094
03:39:33,439 --> 03:39:34,720
Halter. I hear what you're saying in

5095
03:39:34,720 --> 03:39:37,200
regards to we do need we do need to move

5096
03:39:37,200 --> 03:39:39,279
forward in order to be able to do future

5097
03:39:39,279 --> 03:39:41,279
stuff. I get it. I just think we need to

5098
03:39:41,279 --> 03:39:43,680
take the employee permit thing maybe off

5099
03:39:43,680 --> 03:39:45,600
the table

5100
03:39:45,600 --> 03:39:47,279
because I just don't does it make sense

5101
03:39:47,279 --> 03:39:49,359
to spend our resources on that. My

5102
03:39:49,359 --> 03:39:51,920
thoughts.

5103
03:39:51,920 --> 03:39:56,389
>> Thank you, Council Member Mcrenolds.

5104
03:39:56,399 --> 03:39:58,479
» Thank you, Madam Mayor. Uh, can we go to

5105
03:39:58,479 --> 03:40:01,120
slide three?

5106
03:40:01,120 --> 03:40:02,960
And I think we should just understand

5107
03:40:02,960 --> 03:40:06,560
the three items in front of us tonight.

5108
03:40:06,560 --> 03:40:10,239
Go back one more. There we go. Okay.

5109
03:40:10,239 --> 03:40:12,319
What does this change do? Like, break it

5110
03:40:12,319 --> 03:40:16,239
down for me like I'm a fifth grader.

5111
03:40:16,239 --> 03:40:18,000
>> Go ahead.

5112
03:40:18,000 --> 03:40:19,600
What [clears throat] What does the uh

5113
03:40:19,600 --> 03:40:22,000
Sorry, I thought we were um What do

5114
03:40:22,000 --> 03:40:23,840
these three actions do? So, the

5115
03:40:23,840 --> 03:40:25,840
>> Let's just This one

5116
03:40:25,840 --> 03:40:28,160
>> the the city lot. This bas this allows

5117
03:40:28,160 --> 03:40:30,880
administratively to uh for the the

5118
03:40:30,880 --> 03:40:32,960
director of public works or designate to

5119
03:40:32,960 --> 03:40:35,680
change uh time limits in parking lots.

5120
03:40:35,680 --> 03:40:35,840
And

5121
03:40:35,840 --> 03:40:37,279
>> so tell me what happens if we don't do

5122
03:40:37,279 --> 03:40:38,399
this.

5123
03:40:38,399 --> 03:40:40,560
>> Then anytime we want to change a a time

5124
03:40:40,560 --> 03:40:41,920
in a parking lot, we'd have to come to

5125
03:40:41,920 --> 03:40:43,760
city council

5126
03:40:43,760 --> 03:40:46,720
>> and what's and and what's the pros and

5127
03:40:46,720 --> 03:40:48,880
cons?

5128
03:40:48,880 --> 03:40:51,600
>> Uh I think the the flexibility for us to

5129
03:40:51,600 --> 03:40:55,040
do that. Um it also theoretically if we

5130
03:40:55,040 --> 03:40:57,040
um wanted to make maybe someone comes to

5131
03:40:57,040 --> 03:40:59,439
us that has needs a 24minute uh parking

5132
03:40:59,439 --> 03:41:01,040
zone or something like that, those kind

5133
03:41:01,040 --> 03:41:04,239
of changes as well. Um it just allows us

5134
03:41:04,239 --> 03:41:05,920
more flexibility to make those changes.

5135
03:41:05,920 --> 03:41:12,000
>> Okay. Do you believe this is uh this change solely is a pro or con for

5136
03:41:12,000 --> 03:41:13,279
the business community?

5137
03:41:13,279 --> 03:41:15,760
>> I think um and this also does expand

5138
03:41:15,760 --> 03:41:18,000
into outside of downtown. It also

5139
03:41:18,000 --> 03:41:19,840
>> just the business community in general

5140
03:41:19,840 --> 03:41:21,359
>> and sometimes the business community

5141
03:41:21,359 --> 03:41:23,200
wants us to change those. For example,

5142
03:41:23,200 --> 03:41:26,640
in the Midtown, um we had uh RVs parking

5143
03:41:26,640 --> 03:41:29,439
in the lots. We had criminal activity

5144
03:41:29,439 --> 03:41:31,120
and so we were able to go to a 4-hour

5145
03:41:31,120 --> 03:41:32,000
lot there.

5146
03:41:32,000 --> 03:41:32,720
>> Okay.

5147
03:41:32,720 --> 03:41:34,160
>> So again, do you believe that this

5148
03:41:34,160 --> 03:41:35,840
benefits the business community? This

5149
03:41:35,840 --> 03:41:38,160
change only this change, yes or no?

5150
03:41:38,160 --> 03:41:38,800
>> Yes.

5151
03:41:38,800 --> 03:41:43,030
>> Okay. Can we go to the next slide?

5152
03:41:43,040 --> 03:41:46,080
» What does this do? So, this allows the

5153
03:41:46,080 --> 03:41:48,239
uh the city count this allows us to

5154
03:41:48,239 --> 03:41:50,560
charge for parking in uh city- owned

5155
03:41:50,560 --> 03:41:54,319
parking lots and we this just sets up

5156
03:41:54,319 --> 03:41:56,399
the framework for it. And when I say we,

5157
03:41:56,399 --> 03:41:58,080
I mean city council. This would be a

5158
03:41:58,080 --> 03:42:00,319
city council authorized

5159
03:42:00,319 --> 03:42:03,120
um situation later. This just sets up

5160
03:42:03,120 --> 03:42:04,800
the framework for that. And it also

5161
03:42:04,800 --> 03:42:07,279
helps us with our um coastal development

5162
03:42:07,279 --> 03:42:08,479
permit.

5163
03:42:08,479 --> 03:42:10,960
>> Okay. And so I think you I wrote it

5164
03:42:10,960 --> 03:42:14,640
down. No one wants to pay a fee. So, but

5165
03:42:14,640 --> 03:42:17,920
so that this falls under that category.

5166
03:42:17,920 --> 03:42:19,439
>> So, this allows the potential to charge

5167
03:42:19,439 --> 03:42:20,160
a fee,

5168
03:42:20,160 --> 03:42:20,560
>> correct?

5169
03:42:20,560 --> 03:42:22,000
>> That we are not charging today.

5170
03:42:22,000 --> 03:42:22,960
>> Correct.

5171
03:42:22,960 --> 03:42:26,080
>> That we don't have authority to charge.

5172
03:42:26,080 --> 03:42:28,000
>> Correct. In the downtown. Correct.

5173
03:42:28,000 --> 03:42:32,479
>> Got it. Okay. And then the next one,

5174
03:42:32,479 --> 03:42:33,680
what does this do?

5175
03:42:33,680 --> 03:42:36,239
>> This set this sets the framework for the

5176
03:42:36,239 --> 03:42:39,600
employee parking permit program as well.

5177
03:42:39,600 --> 03:42:43,760
um and allows us to issue uh hang tags

5178
03:42:43,760 --> 03:42:46,640
for employees that choose to u

5179
03:42:46,640 --> 03:42:49,359
participate in this program so that they

5180
03:42:49,359 --> 03:42:51,279
u may use that hang tag to park in a

5181
03:42:51,279 --> 03:42:53,760
4-hour lot and stay for eight hours or

5182
03:42:53,760 --> 03:42:54,319
more.

5183
03:42:54,319 --> 03:42:55,760
>> Okay,

5184
03:42:55,760 --> 03:43:01,600
>> last question. uh is the 90 minutes uh

5185
03:43:01,600 --> 03:43:05,120
with the regressive back to minute one.

5186
03:43:05,120 --> 03:43:07,920
Uh if you go to 91 minutes, how is that

5187
03:43:07,920 --> 03:43:10,239
resolved in this?

5188
03:43:10,239 --> 03:43:11,760
>> That's not in any of these three

5189
03:43:11,760 --> 03:43:13,439
municipal codes. That would be a change

5190
03:43:13,439 --> 03:43:18,000
that can be made. Um

5191
03:43:18,000 --> 03:43:19,439
could be council directed. I don't know

5192
03:43:19,439 --> 03:43:20,560
if it could be directed at this

5193
03:43:20,560 --> 03:43:21,840
>> direct question to the city attorney

5194
03:43:21,840 --> 03:43:24,080
then. That's not on the table tonight

5195
03:43:24,080 --> 03:43:28,229
based on the item before us.

5196
03:43:28,239 --> 03:43:30,080
Sorry, the what question is not on the

5197
03:43:30,080 --> 03:43:30,560
table?

5198
03:43:30,560 --> 03:43:32,479
>> The 90 minutes, the regressive.

5199
03:43:32,479 --> 03:43:34,160
>> It's not on the table for the council.

5200
03:43:34,160 --> 03:43:34,640
Correct.

5201
03:43:34,640 --> 03:43:36,239
>> We cannot discuss that.

5202
03:43:36,239 --> 03:43:37,840
>> It's not subject for a vote. I think

5203
03:43:37,840 --> 03:43:39,600
that I the council can be informed, but

5204
03:43:39,600 --> 03:43:41,680
it wouldn't be the subject of a motion.

5205
03:43:41,680 --> 03:43:46,229
>> Okay. Thank you very much.

5206
03:43:46,239 --> 03:43:48,720
» Okay. Thank you for those questions um

5207
03:43:48,720 --> 03:43:52,960
and comments. Um I don't see any other

5208
03:43:52,960 --> 03:43:54,800
uh comments from colleagues at this

5209
03:43:54,800 --> 03:43:58,000
time. I do need a motion um for this

5210
03:43:58,000 --> 03:44:00,560
item.

5211
03:44:00,560 --> 03:44:03,040
Council member Mcrenolds,

5212
03:44:03,040 --> 03:44:06,080
>> uh could we do a straw vote in terms of

5213
03:44:06,080 --> 03:44:10,319
the three items and see where council is

5214
03:44:10,319 --> 03:44:13,120
and take each one up individually?

5215
03:44:13,120 --> 03:44:14,640
>> Mayor, I think by show of hands, not

5216
03:44:14,640 --> 03:44:16,479
secret ballot, but by show of hands, I

5217
03:44:16,479 --> 03:44:18,319
think you could definitely do that.

5218
03:44:18,319 --> 03:44:19,520
>> Okay.

5219
03:44:19,520 --> 03:44:20,800
>> Is that something you'd be open to?

5220
03:44:20,800 --> 03:44:22,399
>> Yeah, I'm I'm open to that. That's fine.

5221
03:44:22,399 --> 03:44:25,359
So, if I So, my if we go back to slide

5222
03:44:25,359 --> 03:44:27,359
three,

5223
03:44:27,359 --> 03:44:30,000
understanding what staff said in terms

5224
03:44:30,000 --> 03:44:33,040
of giving staff the ability to set

5225
03:44:33,040 --> 03:44:36,000
parking hours in parking lots, is this

5226
03:44:36,000 --> 03:44:37,760
council in favor, you know, with a straw

5227
03:44:37,760 --> 03:44:40,560
vote? Yes or no would be my my question.

5228
03:44:40,560 --> 03:44:42,479
>> Can I just have a clarifying question?

5229
03:44:42,479 --> 03:44:43,359
>> I mean, yeah.

5230
03:44:43,359 --> 03:44:45,520
>> In regards to the time limit, is that

5231
03:44:45,520 --> 03:44:48,319
Sorry. Okay. Okay. Um, in regards to the

5232
03:44:48,319 --> 03:44:50,800
time limit, does that mean the hours or

5233
03:44:50,800 --> 03:44:54,160
does that mean the 90 minutes?

5234
03:44:54,160 --> 03:44:56,080
>> It would refer to the hours. Typically,

5235
03:44:56,080 --> 03:44:58,080
our lots are either all day or 4 hour.

5236
03:44:58,080 --> 03:44:58,560
>> Okay.

5237
03:44:58,560 --> 03:44:59,920
>> I think the city attorney clarified that

5238
03:44:59,920 --> 03:45:00,960
we can't talk about the

5239
03:45:00,960 --> 03:45:03,600
>> talk about the 90 minutes.

5240
03:45:03,600 --> 03:45:05,279
>> Or add it to the motion.

5241
03:45:05,279 --> 03:45:07,600
>> So, are we in favor of bringing this

5242
03:45:07,600 --> 03:45:10,080
forward? And mayor, to be clear, this is

5243
03:45:10,080 --> 03:45:11,279
just sort of a straw poll. The clerk

5244
03:45:11,279 --> 03:45:13,359
won't be taking a role on these.

5245
03:45:13,359 --> 03:45:15,199
>> Okay. Thank you,

5246
03:45:15,199 --> 03:45:15,760
>> Deputy Mayor.

5247
03:45:15,760 --> 03:45:17,359
>> Yeah. I just want to say is that just to

5248
03:45:17,359 --> 03:45:25,760
be clear that um my my straw vote is uh related to creating the toolbox

5249
03:45:25,760 --> 03:45:28,960
>> and and not knowing how what the economy

5250
03:45:28,960 --> 03:45:31,199
would be like when and if these changes

5251
03:45:31,199 --> 03:45:32,560
are going to be made whether it's a year

5252
03:45:32,560 --> 03:45:34,080
or two years from now or five years from

5253
03:45:34,080 --> 03:45:36,720
now. I'm just my vote is about is all

5254
03:45:36,720 --> 03:45:38,560
about creating that toolbox.

5255
03:45:38,560 --> 03:45:40,160
>> Right. And my understanding is this only

5256
03:45:40,160 --> 03:45:42,239
is regarding time limits in parking

5257
03:45:42,239 --> 03:45:43,120
lots. So there's no

5258
03:45:43,120 --> 03:45:44,479
>> it's literally what's on the screen

5259
03:45:44,479 --> 03:45:47,760
right now. Okay. So, do we need thumb?

5260
03:45:47,760 --> 03:45:49,680
Do you are you taking

5261
03:45:49,680 --> 03:45:52,479
>> thumbs up? Looks like unanimous thumbs

5262
03:45:52,479 --> 03:45:53,199
up.

5263
03:45:53,199 --> 03:45:54,080
>> So, then let's go to

5264
03:45:54,080 --> 03:45:54,800
>> on these items.

5265
03:45:54,800 --> 03:45:58,550
>> Slide four. Yeah.

5266
03:45:58,560 --> 03:46:00,239
» Okay. So, this modifies so that we can

5267
03:46:00,239 --> 03:46:02,560
start charging parking in the parking

5268
03:46:02,560 --> 03:46:04,479
lots. So, obviously based on the number

5269
03:46:04,479 --> 03:46:05,840
of hours, everything like that would

5270
03:46:05,840 --> 03:46:08,000
change here. But this is an actual

5271
03:46:08,000 --> 03:46:09,439
economic,

5272
03:46:09,439 --> 03:46:11,439
>> you know, who's in favor of making this

5273
03:46:11,439 --> 03:46:12,319
forward

5274
03:46:12,319 --> 03:46:13,760
>> to the council or to the coastal

5275
03:46:13,760 --> 03:46:15,279
commission, I guess. So, just for

5276
03:46:15,279 --> 03:46:17,840
clarity, when you decide you want to

5277
03:46:17,840 --> 03:46:20,239
change, uh, you bring that back to us,

5278
03:46:20,239 --> 03:46:20,880
correct?

5279
03:46:20,880 --> 03:46:22,479
>> For sure. Yes. This would definitely

5280
03:46:22,479 --> 03:46:24,000
come back to council if we were to

5281
03:46:24,000 --> 03:46:28,870
expand paid parking.

5282
03:46:28,880 --> 03:46:29,199
» Okay.

5283
03:46:29,199 --> 03:46:31,840
>> Do we have any

5284
03:46:31,840 --> 03:46:32,720
So, four, three.

5285
03:46:32,720 --> 03:46:34,560
>> Okay. And then the last one is the

5286
03:46:34,560 --> 03:46:39,189
employee uh parking program.

5287
03:46:39,199 --> 03:46:40,319
» Again, this would just create the

5288
03:46:40,319 --> 03:46:42,800
framework. doesn't set a set set it up

5289
03:46:42,800 --> 03:46:45,439
uh on it. And so I guess my question to

5290
03:46:45,439 --> 03:46:46,960
the colleagues is are we in favor of

5291
03:46:46,960 --> 03:46:47,600
this?

5292
03:46:47,600 --> 03:46:48,720
>> Right.

5293
03:46:48,720 --> 03:46:51,920
>> So, okay,

5294
03:46:51,920 --> 03:46:53,600
Mayor, I and I don't know if Council

5295
03:46:53,600 --> 03:46:55,279
Member Mcfrenolds is done. When he's

5296
03:46:55,279 --> 03:46:57,279
done, I might be able to try to read a

5297
03:46:57,279 --> 03:46:58,399
motion together for you.

5298
03:46:58,399 --> 03:46:59,040
>> Yes, that would be great.

5299
03:46:59,040 --> 03:47:00,239
>> I think that's that's

5300
03:47:00,239 --> 03:47:01,520
>> that's the intent.

5301
03:47:01,520 --> 03:47:02,160
>> Yes. [laughter]

5302
03:47:02,160 --> 03:47:04,000
Thanks, M. So, and and just to be clear,

5303
03:47:04,000 --> 03:47:05,680
these were just some slides. There was a

5304
03:47:05,680 --> 03:47:07,040
staff recommendation in the staff

5305
03:47:07,040 --> 03:47:09,600
report. So, I want to track that um and

5306
03:47:09,600 --> 03:47:11,279
sort of just explain how that's going to

5307
03:47:11,279 --> 03:47:12,720
be modified for the clerks of the

5308
03:47:12,720 --> 03:47:15,439
council also um because we are re doing

5309
03:47:15,439 --> 03:47:16,720
first reading of an ordinance. So, I

5310
03:47:16,720 --> 03:47:19,600
need to be uh be clear what we're doing

5311
03:47:19,600 --> 03:47:22,239
here. So, first thing is is that there

5312
03:47:22,239 --> 03:47:24,160
are just to sort of set the table for

5313
03:47:24,160 --> 03:47:25,680
the council. There are two code sections

5314
03:47:25,680 --> 03:47:27,600
that staff proposed amending. One was

5315
03:47:27,600 --> 03:47:30,399
employee parking, one was not. One was

5316
03:47:30,399 --> 03:47:31,840
relating to parking lots, one was

5317
03:47:31,840 --> 03:47:33,920
relating to employee parking. So the

5318
03:47:33,920 --> 03:47:36,479
employee parking portion, I understand

5319
03:47:36,479 --> 03:47:38,399
it, mayor, for council member McMill's

5320
03:47:38,399 --> 03:47:41,120
motion is not going to be uh part of the

5321
03:47:41,120 --> 03:47:43,120
ordinance. That's completely separate

5322
03:47:43,120 --> 03:47:45,040
from the parking lot section. So that's

5323
03:47:45,040 --> 03:47:47,680
first point. Uh second point is the

5324
03:47:47,680 --> 03:47:50,720
employee parking permit fee uh was going

5325
03:47:50,720 --> 03:47:52,319
to be proposed to be established by

5326
03:47:52,319 --> 03:47:54,000
resolution. If employee parking is not

5327
03:47:54,000 --> 03:47:55,840
on the table, I presume there's no need

5328
03:47:55,840 --> 03:47:58,399
to establish the fee. Um, the other

5329
03:47:58,399 --> 03:48:00,479
thing just to make clear to the council,

5330
03:48:00,479 --> 03:48:03,120
the uh parking lots that still would

5331
03:48:03,120 --> 03:48:05,760
have to go through uh the administrative

5332
03:48:05,760 --> 03:48:07,199
coastal development permit. So even

5333
03:48:07,199 --> 03:48:09,199
though it's a a slim down ordinance, uh

5334
03:48:09,199 --> 03:48:11,520
staff would still need to um do the

5335
03:48:11,520 --> 03:48:13,840
ACDP. So just to be clear for the

5336
03:48:13,840 --> 03:48:17,279
council. So what um the recommendation

5337
03:48:17,279 --> 03:48:19,199
would now be um if I understand council

5338
03:48:19,199 --> 03:48:20,800
member Mcrenold's motion is conduct

5339
03:48:20,800 --> 03:48:23,199
first reading of the ordinance only as

5340
03:48:23,199 --> 03:48:26,960
to 16.210.0.

5341
03:48:26,960 --> 03:48:30,000
070 of the municipal code, not

5342
03:48:30,000 --> 03:48:33,030
16.215.030

5343
03:48:33,040 --> 03:48:35,680
of the municipal code. So basically that

5344
03:48:35,680 --> 03:48:37,760
would be the ordinance

5345
03:48:37,760 --> 03:48:42,800
that's presented but deleting

5346
03:48:42,800 --> 03:48:45,040
section two and then the remainder of

5347
03:48:45,040 --> 03:48:48,239
the ordinance um would be uh given first

5348
03:48:48,239 --> 03:48:50,080
reading.

5349
03:48:50,080 --> 03:48:51,920
No resolution and with the sequel

5350
03:48:51,920 --> 03:48:54,319
finding in the staff recommendation.

5351
03:48:54,319 --> 03:48:58,000
>> That sounds about right.

5352
03:48:58,000 --> 03:48:59,760
Okay.

5353
03:48:59,760 --> 03:49:01,920
>> Do you want to go

5354
03:49:01,920 --> 03:49:08,309
>> to Mayor's

5355
03:49:08,319 --> 03:49:11,120
Apologize? Uh to Deputy Mayor Halter's

5356
03:49:11,120 --> 03:49:13,199
point, I still think we need to continue

5357
03:49:13,199 --> 03:49:15,439
refining the employee permit program, do

5358
03:49:15,439 --> 03:49:17,600
the engagement, do all of that. You

5359
03:49:17,600 --> 03:49:19,520
know, I think to Council Member

5360
03:49:19,520 --> 03:49:22,399
Compost's point, as the Main Street

5361
03:49:22,399 --> 03:49:24,080
Moves Committee starts meeting, this is

5362
03:49:24,080 --> 03:49:25,199
not something that they're going to be

5363
03:49:25,199 --> 03:49:27,680
taking up. this is something that would

5364
03:49:27,680 --> 03:49:29,439
continue on but you know so it's

5365
03:49:29,439 --> 03:49:32,080
direction to staff to continue refining

5366
03:49:32,080 --> 03:49:34,880
this employee uh program and then

5367
03:49:34,880 --> 03:49:37,199
secondarily for future consideration I

5368
03:49:37,199 --> 03:49:39,199
think we'd like to see the the 90minute

5369
03:49:39,199 --> 03:49:43,199
parking uh item brought back to us uh on

5370
03:49:43,199 --> 03:49:45,760
it so and I don't know if anybody else

5371
03:49:45,760 --> 03:49:46,239
has

5372
03:49:46,239 --> 03:49:50,080
>> would that include pack on some level

5373
03:49:50,080 --> 03:49:52,319
>> I I apologize I didn't I didn't hear you

5374
03:49:52,319 --> 03:49:54,560
>> uh your recommendation would that

5375
03:49:54,560 --> 03:49:56,000
include or the engagement Would that

5376
03:49:56,000 --> 03:49:57,680
include PAC as well? The parking

5377
03:49:57,680 --> 03:49:58,399
authority?

5378
03:49:58,399 --> 03:50:01,040
>> Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, the parking.

5379
03:50:01,040 --> 03:50:02,640
Yes. Yeah, we we have that commission

5380
03:50:02,640 --> 03:50:04,080
for a reason and

5381
03:50:04,080 --> 03:50:06,160
>> we absolutely want them to provide input

5382
03:50:06,160 --> 03:50:08,880
and uh direction to us.

5383
03:50:08,880 --> 03:50:10,560
>> Okay. Thank you. Uh Council Member

5384
03:50:10,560 --> 03:50:11,600
Duran,

5385
03:50:11,600 --> 03:50:13,120
>> thank you. Just for clarity on your

5386
03:50:13,120 --> 03:50:15,279
motion, um on your recommendations for

5387
03:50:15,279 --> 03:50:18,239
that motion. So when you said um bring

5388
03:50:18,239 --> 03:50:22,790
back employee parking

5389
03:50:22,800 --> 03:50:25,040
if we bring it back as is or if they

5390
03:50:25,040 --> 03:50:27,199
study as is it makes no sense. You said

5391
03:50:27,199 --> 03:50:29,840
that. So right so completely.

5392
03:50:29,840 --> 03:50:31,840
>> Okay.

5393
03:50:31,840 --> 03:50:32,479
>> Thank you.

5394
03:50:32,479 --> 03:50:33,840
>> Deputy Mayor Halter.

5395
03:50:33,840 --> 03:50:36,000
>> Great. Thank you. Uh I just um I'm

5396
03:50:36,000 --> 03:50:37,680
liking the direction that we're going. I

5397
03:50:37,680 --> 03:50:39,680
just want to make sure though that I got

5398
03:50:39,680 --> 03:50:41,600
to say it because the part that I'm very

5399
03:50:41,600 --> 03:50:44,319
uncomfortable with is that uh given the

5400
03:50:44,319 --> 03:50:46,160
last 40 years and the fact that on

5401
03:50:46,160 --> 03:50:48,319
average it takes 12 to 20 years to get

5402
03:50:48,319 --> 03:50:51,040
any project approved in this city, this

5403
03:50:51,040 --> 03:50:54,239
may work. All right, just know that not

5404
03:50:54,239 --> 03:50:56,000
doing it today and waiting a year or

5405
03:50:56,000 --> 03:50:57,680
waiting two years, you're adding a year

5406
03:50:57,680 --> 03:51:00,080
to two years to any time period before

5407
03:51:00,080 --> 03:51:02,640
you could do anything. So uh we've

5408
03:51:02,640 --> 03:51:05,199
entered a cycle in the world in the

5409
03:51:05,199 --> 03:51:07,279
state in our city where things will

5410
03:51:07,279 --> 03:51:09,120
happen quicker whether we like it or

5411
03:51:09,120 --> 03:51:11,279
not. The state is forcing that on us

5412
03:51:11,279 --> 03:51:12,960
because of the problems that we created

5413
03:51:12,960 --> 03:51:15,040
by taking 12 and 20 years to get

5414
03:51:15,040 --> 03:51:18,239
projects approved. So if we decide we

5415
03:51:18,239 --> 03:51:21,120
see projects happen, buildings uh

5416
03:51:21,120 --> 03:51:23,600
change, uh people investing, and we

5417
03:51:23,600 --> 03:51:26,000
bring jobs back to our city, we may want

5418
03:51:26,000 --> 03:51:28,960
these tools and we may want them fast.

5419
03:51:28,960 --> 03:51:30,720
If you want to wait the years it's going

5420
03:51:30,720 --> 03:51:32,479
to take to get these things approved,

5421
03:51:32,479 --> 03:51:34,399
then let's limit the toolbox. You know,

5422
03:51:34,399 --> 03:51:36,560
I think it's full hearty quite frankly,

5423
03:51:36,560 --> 03:51:38,720
but I am liking the fact that about 80%

5424
03:51:38,720 --> 03:51:40,399
of what I would do, I think it's looking

5425
03:51:40,399 --> 03:51:42,239
like we might approve.

5426
03:51:42,239 --> 03:51:45,600
>> Thank you. Um, Council Member Durant.

5427
03:51:45,600 --> 03:51:47,359
>> So, I'm in agreement with with your

5428
03:51:47,359 --> 03:51:48,800
motion, but I just have a question in

5429
03:51:48,800 --> 03:51:51,120
regards to bringing back uh this to

5430
03:51:51,120 --> 03:51:54,160
Javon. If uh to bring this 90day thing

5431
03:51:54,160 --> 03:51:56,640
back, doesn't that have to be 90

5432
03:51:56,640 --> 03:51:59,600
minutes? Sorry. in in 90 days. Bring it

5433
03:51:59,600 --> 03:52:03,439
back. Uh, doesn't this have to be a um

5434
03:52:03,439 --> 03:52:07,040
an addition to agenda item at the end of

5435
03:52:07,040 --> 03:52:08,560
our meeting? Do we have to do that or

5436
03:52:08,560 --> 03:52:10,160
can we request them to bring that back?

5437
03:52:10,160 --> 03:52:11,600
>> You can do that right here as part of

5438
03:52:11,600 --> 03:52:12,000
the motion.

5439
03:52:12,000 --> 03:52:13,040
>> Then I second.

5440
03:52:13,040 --> 03:52:16,239
>> Okay. And and just so for the council, I

5441
03:52:16,239 --> 03:52:17,840
just want to ask council member

5442
03:52:17,840 --> 03:52:19,600
Mcrenolds just to be clear. So, it's the

5443
03:52:19,600 --> 03:52:21,120
refined motion minus the employee

5444
03:52:21,120 --> 03:52:23,359
parking. What uh what I'd read into the

5445
03:52:23,359 --> 03:52:26,000
record direct staff to continue uh

5446
03:52:26,000 --> 03:52:28,479
refining the employee parking program

5447
03:52:28,479 --> 03:52:30,640
and then direct staff to bring back the

5448
03:52:30,640 --> 03:52:33,040
90minute uh parking program to and

5449
03:52:33,040 --> 03:52:34,720
through the parking advisory committee

5450
03:52:34,720 --> 03:52:36,000
to the council.

5451
03:52:36,000 --> 03:52:38,000
>> I I guess I'd really just want everybody

5452
03:52:38,000 --> 03:52:39,840
to piggyback on council member

5453
03:52:39,840 --> 03:52:41,600
Schumacher's comments in terms of the

5454
03:52:41,600 --> 03:52:42,640
community

5455
03:52:42,640 --> 03:52:43,279
>> parking authority.

5456
03:52:43,279 --> 03:52:44,640
>> The Yeah. Well, not only the parking

5457
03:52:44,640 --> 03:52:46,560
authority, but the outreach to the the

5458
03:52:46,560 --> 03:52:47,680
community and everything like that. I

5459
03:52:47,680 --> 03:52:49,120
think council member Schumacher brought

5460
03:52:49,120 --> 03:52:50,479
up a lot of really good points. So,

5461
03:52:50,479 --> 03:52:51,760
>> community meaning business.

5462
03:52:51,760 --> 03:52:52,560
>> Yeah, exactly.

5463
03:52:52,560 --> 03:52:54,000
>> Folks in downtown.

5464
03:52:54,000 --> 03:52:56,880
>> Mayor, uh, Council Member Compost.

5465
03:52:56,880 --> 03:53:00,239
>> Yes. I think that critical to the

5466
03:53:00,239 --> 03:53:03,199
employee parking is not just community

5467
03:53:03,199 --> 03:53:05,520
engagement, but engagement with the

5468
03:53:05,520 --> 03:53:08,399
business owners and employees that needs

5469
03:53:08,399 --> 03:53:12,000
to be included into this to get my vote.

5470
03:53:12,000 --> 03:53:14,000
And so, mayor, I just so for council

5471
03:53:14,000 --> 03:53:16,399
member Reynolds, so just for staff and

5472
03:53:16,399 --> 03:53:19,040
for the for the record, what is the the

5473
03:53:19,040 --> 03:53:21,040
direction to staff on bringing back the

5474
03:53:21,040 --> 03:53:23,120
90minute program? So, parking advisory

5475
03:53:23,120 --> 03:53:24,960
committee to and through the council and

5476
03:53:24,960 --> 03:53:27,120
then what else specifically? Uh, so the

5477
03:53:27,120 --> 03:53:30,160
clerk has it in there.

5478
03:53:30,160 --> 03:53:32,479
I would recommend we get this on as

5479
03:53:32,479 --> 03:53:35,600
quickly as as possible only because it

5480
03:53:35,600 --> 03:53:38,239
just deceptive the 93 minutes and I

5481
03:53:38,239 --> 03:53:40,000
think we really need to we need to move

5482
03:53:40,000 --> 03:53:43,680
as quickly as possible. Yeah.

5483
03:53:43,680 --> 03:53:44,479
>> Yes.

5484
03:53:44,479 --> 03:53:46,000
>> Council member Duran may ask a

5485
03:53:46,000 --> 03:53:47,760
clarification.

5486
03:53:47,760 --> 03:53:49,439
If your direction is to bring it back as

5487
03:53:49,439 --> 03:53:51,120
soon as possible, do you still want it

5488
03:53:51,120 --> 03:53:53,040
to go to the parking advisory committee

5489
03:53:53,040 --> 03:53:54,640
or are you talking about bringing it

5490
03:53:54,640 --> 03:53:57,040
back as soon as possible, meaning it

5491
03:53:57,040 --> 03:54:00,319
would bypass them for their opinion?

5492
03:54:00,319 --> 03:54:01,760
>> Well, I mean, I guess we should go

5493
03:54:01,760 --> 03:54:03,600
through the proper process. So, you

5494
03:54:03,600 --> 03:54:06,000
know, as soon as you can through that

5495
03:54:06,000 --> 03:54:06,960
process.

5496
03:54:06,960 --> 03:54:08,319
>> Yeah. Thank you for asking that

5497
03:54:08,319 --> 03:54:08,800
question.

5498
03:54:08,800 --> 03:54:10,720
>> Yeah.

5499
03:54:10,720 --> 03:54:13,760
>> Okay. So, if we are clear on what we're

5500
03:54:13,760 --> 03:54:18,319
voting on, um, does anyone need any

5501
03:54:18,319 --> 03:54:20,000
repetition of what we're voting on? If

5502
03:54:20,000 --> 03:54:22,399
not, I'll go ahead and call for the vote

5503
03:54:22,399 --> 03:54:27,269
because we do have a motion in a second.

5504
03:54:27,279 --> 03:54:28,399
» Thank you, mayor. You can go ahead and

5505
03:54:28,399 --> 03:54:34,229
enter your vote now on item number 12.

5506
03:54:34,239 --> 03:54:38,469
All votes have been entered.

5507
03:54:38,479 --> 03:54:40,960
Seven eyes and the motion carries.

5508
03:54:40,960 --> 03:54:42,399
>> Thank you. And thank you staff really

5509
03:54:42,399 --> 03:54:45,840
for the work and the flexibility and our

5510
03:54:45,840 --> 03:54:48,080
my colleagues as well. Thank you for the

5511
03:54:48,080 --> 03:54:50,319
motion. Um at this point, does anybody

5512
03:54:50,319 --> 03:54:52,720
need a break? Yes. Okay, we're going to

5513
03:54:52,720 --> 03:54:57,040
go ahead and take a um 10-minut break.

5514
03:54:57,040 --> 04:13:55,830
Oh.

5515
04:13:55,840 --> 04:14:01,670
if I could have my colleagues come back.

5516
04:14:01,680 --> 04:14:03,920
If I can get all of my colleagues back,

5517
04:14:03,920 --> 04:14:10,790
that'd be great.

5518
04:14:10,800 --> 04:14:13,840
So we can resume our meeting. Thank you

5519
04:14:13,840 --> 04:14:17,510
everyone.

5520
04:14:17,520 --> 04:14:25,110
» That was a much needed break.

5521
04:14:25,120 --> 04:14:28,000
Okay, we'll go ahead and move on to our

5522
04:14:28,000 --> 04:14:31,439
formal items. Item number 13

5523
04:14:31,439 --> 04:14:34,080
is to amend the compensation of the city

5524
04:14:34,080 --> 04:14:36,080
manager's employment agreement and adopt

5525
04:14:36,080 --> 04:14:38,000
a revised salary resolution for

5526
04:14:38,000 --> 04:14:40,960
unrepresented employees.

5527
04:14:40,960 --> 04:14:43,120
The city council met in close session in

5528
04:14:43,120 --> 04:14:45,199
July to discuss the city manager's job

5529
04:14:45,199 --> 04:14:47,680
performance. Following that discussion,

5530
04:14:47,680 --> 04:14:49,040
Deputy Mayor Halter and I were

5531
04:14:49,040 --> 04:14:50,560
designated by the city council to

5532
04:14:50,560 --> 04:14:53,199
negotiate any potential modifications to

5533
04:14:53,199 --> 04:14:55,680
the city manager's employment agreement.

5534
04:14:55,680 --> 04:14:57,600
We received input from the entire city

5535
04:14:57,600 --> 04:14:59,120
council regarding a potential

5536
04:14:59,120 --> 04:15:01,760
compensation increase and subsequently

5537
04:15:01,760 --> 04:15:04,720
met with the city manager in accordance

5538
04:15:04,720 --> 04:15:10,630
with government code section 54953C3

5539
04:15:10,640 --> 04:15:12,720
which requires the legislative body to

5540
04:15:12,720 --> 04:15:15,199
provide an oral summary of recommended

5541
04:15:15,199 --> 04:15:17,439
executive compensation prior to taking

5542
04:15:17,439 --> 04:15:19,600
action. I will now summarize the

5543
04:15:19,600 --> 04:15:21,920
proposed modifications.

5544
04:15:21,920 --> 04:15:26,640
First amend section 5.8 A.1

5545
04:15:26,640 --> 04:15:29,120
D of the city manager's employment

5546
04:15:29,120 --> 04:15:32,479
agreement to provide a 3% merit increase

5547
04:15:32,479 --> 04:15:34,159
increasing the city manager's annual

5548
04:15:34,159 --> 04:15:38,239
base pay from 311,818

5549
04:15:38,239 --> 04:15:44,950
with 21 to 321,72.75

5550
04:15:44,960 --> 04:15:48,399
effective August 29th of 2026.

5551
04:15:48,399 --> 04:15:51,120
Second, adopt a revised resolution, also

5552
04:15:51,120 --> 04:15:54,319
effective August 29, 2026, increasing

5553
04:15:54,319 --> 04:15:56,319
the city manager's classification pay

5554
04:15:56,319 --> 04:15:59,120
range by 3% to maintain the pay

5555
04:15:59,120 --> 04:16:01,040
differentials between the city manager

5556
04:16:01,040 --> 04:16:06,469
and subordinate classifications.

5557
04:16:06,479 --> 04:16:08,640
That concludes the required oral summary

5558
04:16:08,640 --> 04:16:11,199
of the proposed compensation changes.

5559
04:16:11,199 --> 04:16:13,120
I'll now invite any comments or

5560
04:16:13,120 --> 04:16:14,800
questions from my city council

5561
04:16:14,800 --> 04:16:17,279
colleagues.

5562
04:16:17,279 --> 04:16:21,760
If there aren't any, I'll go ahead um

5563
04:16:21,760 --> 04:16:23,920
and take any public comment on this

5564
04:16:23,920 --> 04:16:26,319
item. Mr. City Clerk.

5565
04:16:26,319 --> 04:16:27,760
>> Thank you, Mayor. No public comment

5566
04:16:27,760 --> 04:16:29,760
received on item number 13.

5567
04:16:29,760 --> 04:16:31,680
>> Thank you. I will now then go ahead and

5568
04:16:31,680 --> 04:16:34,319
entertain a motion and a second for this

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04:16:34,319 --> 04:16:37,349
item.

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04:16:37,359 --> 04:16:39,520
» Move to approve recommendation.

5571
04:16:39,520 --> 04:16:40,319
>> Second.

5572
04:16:40,319 --> 04:16:43,600
>> Thank you. So, Mr. City clerk, can we

5573
04:16:43,600 --> 04:16:47,439
please call a vote?

5574
04:16:47,439 --> 04:16:49,040
>> You can enter your vote now on item

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04:16:49,040 --> 04:16:53,030
number 13.

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04:16:53,040 --> 04:16:54,960
» Waiting for one more vote to be entered.

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04:16:54,960 --> 04:16:57,040
All votes have now been entered.

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04:16:57,040 --> 04:16:58,560
>> No public comment.

5579
04:16:58,560 --> 04:17:00,880
>> Thank you.

5580
04:17:00,880 --> 04:17:03,600
>> Uh seven eyes and the motion carries.

5581
04:17:03,600 --> 04:17:04,880
Mayor, there were no speaker cards

5582
04:17:04,880 --> 04:17:06,640
submitted for item 13.

5583
04:17:06,640 --> 04:17:10,309
>> Thank you. office.

5584
04:17:10,319 --> 04:17:13,920
» So, moving on to formal items number 14,

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04:17:13,920 --> 04:17:16,319
the arts and culture policy framework,

5586
04:17:16,319 --> 04:17:18,479
arts and culture definitions and grant

5587
04:17:18,479 --> 04:17:20,880
program redesign.

5588
04:17:20,880 --> 04:17:24,720
I'll go ahead um and invite staff for a

5589
04:17:24,720 --> 04:17:35,590
presentation on this item.

5590
04:17:35,600 --> 04:17:41,910
the problem.

5591
04:17:41,920 --> 04:17:45,680
» Mr. City attorney, mayor, I think the um

5592
04:17:45,680 --> 04:17:47,840
speaker's out of order and there's a if

5593
04:17:47,840 --> 04:17:49,199
he [clears throat] wants to pull a

5594
04:17:49,199 --> 04:17:51,680
comment card on an agenda item. uh the

5595
04:17:51,680 --> 04:17:52,960
city clerk is where you can pull the

5596
04:17:52,960 --> 04:17:55,600
comment card and otherwise the speakers

5597
04:17:55,600 --> 04:17:58,000
um are otherwise supposed to not disrupt

5598
04:17:58,000 --> 04:18:00,960
uh the meeting and I think um the member

5599
04:18:00,960 --> 04:18:02,800
of the public has been disrupting the

5600
04:18:02,800 --> 04:18:04,800
meeting from uh proceeding.

5601
04:18:04,800 --> 04:18:12,469
>> Thank you.

5602
04:18:12,479 --> 04:18:14,720
» Mr. Fields, can you please you're out of

5603
04:18:14,720 --> 04:18:17,840
order. Thank you.

5604
04:18:17,840 --> 04:18:20,479
We'll go ahead and um have staff

5605
04:18:20,479 --> 04:18:22,319
presentation on this item. Item number

5606
04:18:22,319 --> 04:18:24,399
14, the arts and culture policy

5607
04:18:24,399 --> 04:18:26,159
framework.

5608
04:18:26,159 --> 04:18:28,080
>> Good evening, mayor and city council.

5609
04:18:28,080 --> 04:18:30,479
For the record, I'm Emily Fox, assistant

5610
04:18:30,479 --> 04:18:32,880
parks and recreation director. Joining

5611
04:18:32,880 --> 04:18:34,960
me this evening is recreation manager

5612
04:18:34,960 --> 04:18:37,600
Rebecca Ellis, as well as David Pletner

5613
04:18:37,600 --> 04:18:39,359
Saunders with the cultural planning

5614
04:18:39,359 --> 04:18:43,199
group consultant team.

5615
04:18:43,199 --> 04:18:45,040
To start with some background, this

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04:18:45,040 --> 04:18:47,840
project grew out of two key city council

5617
04:18:47,840 --> 04:18:51,600
actions. In February 2025, council

5618
04:18:51,600 --> 04:18:54,000
adopted its strategic priorities which

5619
04:18:54,000 --> 04:18:55,760
identified the development of arts and

5620
04:18:55,760 --> 04:18:58,479
cultural policies under the economic

5621
04:18:58,479 --> 04:19:00,560
develop vitality and development

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04:19:00,560 --> 04:19:03,439
priority. Later that year, council

5623
04:19:03,439 --> 04:19:06,239
adopted the 2050 general plan, which

5624
04:19:06,239 --> 04:19:08,399
includes a dedicated arts and culture

5625
04:19:08,399 --> 04:19:11,439
element. Building on that direction, in

5626
04:19:11,439 --> 04:19:14,399
January 2026, council approved an

5627
04:19:14,399 --> 04:19:15,920
agreement with the cultural planning

5628
04:19:15,920 --> 04:19:18,640
group to lead this project. The project

5629
04:19:18,640 --> 04:19:21,120
formally launched this past March with

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04:19:21,120 --> 04:19:23,199
community and stakeholder engagement,

5631
04:19:23,199 --> 04:19:25,520
background research, and a review of

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04:19:25,520 --> 04:19:27,359
peer cities, which resulted in the

5633
04:19:27,359 --> 04:19:29,920
development of a needs assessment, as

5634
04:19:29,920 --> 04:19:32,000
well as the three items before you this

5635
04:19:32,000 --> 04:19:34,239
evening. an arts and culture policy

5636
04:19:34,239 --> 04:19:36,800
framework, communitydriven definitions

5637
04:19:36,800 --> 04:19:39,920
of arts and culture, and a redesign of

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04:19:39,920 --> 04:19:43,279
our city grant programs.

5639
04:19:43,279 --> 04:19:44,960
Before turning the presentation over to

5640
04:19:44,960 --> 04:19:46,720
the consultant team, we wanted to

5641
04:19:46,720 --> 04:19:48,399
highlight the most valuable part of the

5642
04:19:48,399 --> 04:19:51,439
process, the community engagement.

5643
04:19:51,439 --> 04:19:53,840
Since March, we've conducted two rounds

5644
04:19:53,840 --> 04:19:55,920
of engagement, hearing from hundreds of

5645
04:19:55,920 --> 04:19:58,239
residents through the survey, community

5646
04:19:58,239 --> 04:20:00,159
meetings, and conversations in both

5647
04:20:00,159 --> 04:20:02,800
English and Spanish. We also engaged

5648
04:20:02,800 --> 04:20:05,199
with a broad cross-section of Ventura,

5649
04:20:05,199 --> 04:20:08,000
including residents, artists, cultural

5650
04:20:08,000 --> 04:20:10,159
organizations, community groups,

5651
04:20:10,159 --> 04:20:12,880
nonprofits, the Chumash working group,

5652
04:20:12,880 --> 04:20:15,520
and many other stakeholders. The three

5653
04:20:15,520 --> 04:20:17,920
items before you tonight were shaped and

5654
04:20:17,920 --> 04:20:20,319
refined by this collective input, and

5655
04:20:20,319 --> 04:20:22,479
we're excited to move from planning into

5656
04:20:22,479 --> 04:20:24,080
implementation.

5657
04:20:24,080 --> 04:20:25,840
With that, I'll turn the presentation

5658
04:20:25,840 --> 04:20:29,439
over to David. Thank you, Emily. And

5659
04:20:29,439 --> 04:20:31,840
good evening, mayor, deputy mayor, and

5660
04:20:31,840 --> 04:20:34,800
council members.

5661
04:20:34,800 --> 04:20:36,800
Moving on to the arts and culture policy

5662
04:20:36,800 --> 04:20:39,279
framework. This is a standalone

5663
04:20:39,279 --> 04:20:41,760
five-year policy framework. It does not

5664
04:20:41,760 --> 04:20:44,960
amend or update the general plan.

5665
04:20:44,960 --> 04:20:47,600
Instead, it uses the adopted goals and

5666
04:20:47,600 --> 04:20:49,920
policies from the general plan, arts and

5667
04:20:49,920 --> 04:20:52,720
culture element as its foundation, and

5668
04:20:52,720 --> 04:20:54,319
it brings them together with new

5669
04:20:54,319 --> 04:20:56,080
policies developed through the needs

5670
04:20:56,080 --> 04:20:58,080
assessment and community engagement

5671
04:20:58,080 --> 04:21:01,520
Emily just described for you. For

5672
04:21:01,520 --> 04:21:03,680
alignment and and consistency, the

5673
04:21:03,680 --> 04:21:05,520
framework is organized around the

5674
04:21:05,520 --> 04:21:07,600
general plan's five existing arts and

5675
04:21:07,600 --> 04:21:10,880
culture goals, creating one focused

5676
04:21:10,880 --> 04:21:12,720
document to guide the city's arts and

5677
04:21:12,720 --> 04:21:14,960
culture priorities for the next five

5678
04:21:14,960 --> 04:21:16,720
years.

5679
04:21:16,720 --> 04:21:18,720
Because the general plan policies have

5680
04:21:18,720 --> 04:21:20,399
already been adopted, tonight we'll

5681
04:21:20,399 --> 04:21:22,640
focus on the new policies developed

5682
04:21:22,640 --> 04:21:24,560
through this project. Next slide,

5683
04:21:24,560 --> 04:21:26,319
please.

5684
04:21:26,319 --> 04:21:29,199
Across the five goals, the framework

5685
04:21:29,199 --> 04:21:31,760
adds new policies that respond directly

5686
04:21:31,760 --> 04:21:34,000
to priorities and gaps identified

5687
04:21:34,000 --> 04:21:36,080
through the needs assessment and in

5688
04:21:36,080 --> 04:21:38,239
community engagement.

5689
04:21:38,239 --> 04:21:40,560
These include establishing shared

5690
04:21:40,560 --> 04:21:43,760
definitions of arts and culture,

5691
04:21:43,760 --> 04:21:45,600
and ongoing engagement with the Chum

5692
04:21:45,600 --> 04:21:48,080
Mash community, strengthening

5693
04:21:48,080 --> 04:21:49,760
stewardship of the city's public art

5694
04:21:49,760 --> 04:21:53,120
collection, expanding arts access across

5695
04:21:53,120 --> 04:21:55,600
neighborhoods and for youth, and

5696
04:21:55,600 --> 04:21:57,680
supporting the implementation through

5697
04:21:57,680 --> 04:22:00,319
the redesign of the uh redesigned grant

5698
04:22:00,319 --> 04:22:02,640
program and appropriate professional

5699
04:22:02,640 --> 04:22:04,640
staff capacity.

5700
04:22:04,640 --> 04:22:06,640
A significant area of focus is

5701
04:22:06,640 --> 04:22:08,080
strengthening the connection between

5702
04:22:08,080 --> 04:22:11,520
arts, culture, and economic development.

5703
04:22:11,520 --> 04:22:14,560
New policies explore creative districts,

5704
04:22:14,560 --> 04:22:16,479
cultural corridors, and entertainment

5705
04:22:16,479 --> 04:22:19,760
zones. Recognize Ventura's music and

5706
04:22:19,760 --> 04:22:21,439
night life as part of the creative

5707
04:22:21,439 --> 04:22:24,239
economy, and formalize coordination

5708
04:22:24,239 --> 04:22:26,239
between parks and recreation and

5709
04:22:26,239 --> 04:22:28,800
economic development.

5710
04:22:28,800 --> 04:22:31,120
The framework also expands cultural

5711
04:22:31,120 --> 04:22:33,199
tourism to focus on experiences that

5712
04:22:33,199 --> 04:22:36,000
encourage overnight stays and generate

5713
04:22:36,000 --> 04:22:38,800
greater economic return.

5714
04:22:38,800 --> 04:22:41,120
Progress is already underway in this

5715
04:22:41,120 --> 04:22:43,040
area with a recent approval of a new

5716
04:22:43,040 --> 04:22:45,359
position within economic development

5717
04:22:45,359 --> 04:22:47,439
focused on leveraging arts and culture

5718
04:22:47,439 --> 04:22:50,159
as an economic driver.

5719
04:22:50,159 --> 04:22:52,399
Together, these new policies build on

5720
04:22:52,399 --> 04:22:54,800
the general plan and provide more

5721
04:22:54,800 --> 04:22:57,279
specific direction to advance arts and

5722
04:22:57,279 --> 04:22:59,760
culture over the next five years. Next

5723
04:22:59,760 --> 04:23:03,600
slide. Thank you. So, developing shared

5724
04:23:03,600 --> 04:23:05,920
communitydriven definitions of arts and

5725
04:23:05,920 --> 04:23:07,920
culture was an important part of this

5726
04:23:07,920 --> 04:23:10,000
project.

5727
04:23:10,000 --> 04:23:12,399
While informed by state, national, and

5728
04:23:12,399 --> 04:23:14,800
international models, the definitions

5729
04:23:14,800 --> 04:23:16,640
were ultimately shaped by what we heard

5730
04:23:16,640 --> 04:23:19,359
from the Ventura community.

5731
04:23:19,359 --> 04:23:21,040
One of the clearest themes was that

5732
04:23:21,040 --> 04:23:23,279
culture is broader than history and

5733
04:23:23,279 --> 04:23:26,479
heritage. It encompasses the identities,

5734
04:23:26,479 --> 04:23:28,560
traditions, practices, values,

5735
04:23:28,560 --> 04:23:31,279
histories, and expressions that shape

5736
04:23:31,279 --> 04:23:34,080
community identity and belonging,

5737
04:23:34,080 --> 04:23:36,399
recognizing both heritage and

5738
04:23:36,399 --> 04:23:39,199
contemporary community life.

5739
04:23:39,199 --> 04:23:40,800
This can include everything from chum

5740
04:23:40,800 --> 04:23:44,399
mash traditions and surf heritage to

5741
04:23:44,399 --> 04:23:46,080
LGBTQIA

5742
04:23:46,080 --> 04:23:49,279
plus and neurodeivergent cultures as

5743
04:23:49,279 --> 04:23:50,880
well as communities connected through

5744
04:23:50,880 --> 04:23:54,880
shared identities and lived experiences.

5745
04:23:54,880 --> 04:23:57,920
Arts and arts, excuse me, arts are one

5746
04:23:57,920 --> 04:23:59,760
of the ways culture is created,

5747
04:23:59,760 --> 04:24:02,479
expressed and shared through visual and

5748
04:24:02,479 --> 04:24:05,680
performing arts, literary arts, folk and

5749
04:24:05,680 --> 04:24:08,239
traditional arts, and digital and media

5750
04:24:08,239 --> 04:24:09,840
arts.

5751
04:24:09,840 --> 04:24:13,199
The Pura Aanita uh mural on this slide

5752
04:24:13,199 --> 04:24:15,840
illustrates that relationship. Created

5753
04:24:15,840 --> 04:24:18,560
by more than 50 local artists, it

5754
04:24:18,560 --> 04:24:21,600
depicts former Chumash villages, Avenue

5755
04:24:21,600 --> 04:24:24,399
days, surf and low rider culture.

5756
04:24:24,399 --> 04:24:28,080
mariachi, balccorlorico, and more. Using

5757
04:24:28,080 --> 04:24:30,239
art to celebrate the traditions,

5758
04:24:30,239 --> 04:24:33,600
experiences, and identity of the avenue.

5759
04:24:33,600 --> 04:24:35,920
Ultimately, these definitions reflect

5760
04:24:35,920 --> 04:24:38,720
how Ventura sees arts and culture and

5761
04:24:38,720 --> 04:24:40,399
provide a clearer, more inclusive

5762
04:24:40,399 --> 04:24:42,720
foundation for the grant program and the

5763
04:24:42,720 --> 04:24:46,720
city's work going forward.

5764
04:24:46,720 --> 04:24:49,520
And next slide, please.

5765
04:24:49,520 --> 04:24:55,110
The city currently

5766
04:24:55,120 --> 04:24:58,469
Oh,

5767
04:24:58,479 --> 04:25:01,439
okay. Just having a little consult on

5768
04:25:01,439 --> 04:25:03,760
the script. The current the city

5769
04:25:03,760 --> 04:25:05,920
currently administers two separate grant

5770
04:25:05,920 --> 04:25:08,399
programs. The cultural funding grant

5771
04:25:08,399 --> 04:25:11,600
program established in 1993 supports

5772
04:25:11,600 --> 04:25:13,040
nonprofit arts and cultural

5773
04:25:13,040 --> 04:25:15,279
organizations while the community

5774
04:25:15,279 --> 04:25:17,359
partnerships grant program established

5775
04:25:17,359 --> 04:25:19,120
in 1998

5776
04:25:19,120 --> 04:25:21,920
supports nonprofits addressing social,

5777
04:25:21,920 --> 04:25:24,720
environmental, and community needs like

5778
04:25:24,720 --> 04:25:26,960
homelessness, workforce development, and

5779
04:25:26,960 --> 04:25:29,439
senior services.

5780
04:25:29,439 --> 04:25:31,439
Historically, the programs have operated

5781
04:25:31,439 --> 04:25:33,279
independently with different grant

5782
04:25:33,279 --> 04:25:35,359
cycles, application processes, and

5783
04:25:35,359 --> 04:25:37,279
requirements.

5784
04:25:37,279 --> 04:25:39,600
The redesign is grounded in community

5785
04:25:39,600 --> 04:25:42,239
engagement, industry best practices, and

5786
04:25:42,239 --> 04:25:44,560
a desire to broaden the reach of city

5787
04:25:44,560 --> 04:25:47,439
funding and create more opportunities to

5788
04:25:47,439 --> 04:25:49,760
participate. Can we move to the next

5789
04:25:49,760 --> 04:25:53,670
slide, please?

5790
04:25:53,680 --> 04:25:56,640
Yep. Okay, great. The result is four

5791
04:25:56,640 --> 04:25:59,520
grant categories, each providing a clear

5792
04:25:59,520 --> 04:26:01,680
funding pathway for different types of

5793
04:26:01,680 --> 04:26:03,840
applicants and different types of

5794
04:26:03,840 --> 04:26:07,199
community work. Category 1 provides

5795
04:26:07,199 --> 04:26:09,199
operating support for established

5796
04:26:09,199 --> 04:26:11,840
Ventura based arts organizations,

5797
04:26:11,840 --> 04:26:14,080
continuing the city's longstanding

5798
04:26:14,080 --> 04:26:16,080
support while providing greater

5799
04:26:16,080 --> 04:26:18,080
flexibility for organizational

5800
04:26:18,080 --> 04:26:20,560
sustainability

5801
04:26:20,560 --> 04:26:22,880
because eligible organizations must be

5802
04:26:22,880 --> 04:26:24,880
based in Ventura. This investment also

5803
04:26:24,880 --> 04:26:26,640
strengthens the city's cultural

5804
04:26:26,640 --> 04:26:28,319
infrastructure.

5805
04:26:28,319 --> 04:26:30,640
Category 2 provides project funding for

5806
04:26:30,640 --> 04:26:33,120
arts, cultural, and community serving

5807
04:26:33,120 --> 04:26:36,080
organizations, broadening access to

5808
04:26:36,080 --> 04:26:38,159
organizations that make meaningful

5809
04:26:38,159 --> 04:26:40,000
contributions to Ventura's cultural

5810
04:26:40,000 --> 04:26:42,239
life, regardless of whether arts and

5811
04:26:42,239 --> 04:26:44,960
culture are their primary mission. This

5812
04:26:44,960 --> 04:26:47,680
creates opportunities to support a wider

5813
04:26:47,680 --> 04:26:50,080
range of arts and cultural projects that

5814
04:26:50,080 --> 04:26:52,880
reflect and serve the community.

5815
04:26:52,880 --> 04:26:55,600
Category 3 creates a new opportunity

5816
04:26:55,600 --> 04:26:58,159
specifically for individual artists

5817
04:26:58,159 --> 04:27:00,479
living or creating work in Ventura,

5818
04:27:00,479 --> 04:27:02,479
filling an important gap in a city with

5819
04:27:02,479 --> 04:27:04,479
a strong community of individual

5820
04:27:04,479 --> 04:27:08,560
artists. And category 4 continues the

5821
04:27:08,560 --> 04:27:11,120
community partnership programs support

5822
04:27:11,120 --> 04:27:13,680
for community wellness, including

5823
04:27:13,680 --> 04:27:15,359
health, homelessness, workforce

5824
04:27:15,359 --> 04:27:17,600
development, environmental stewardship,

5825
04:27:17,600 --> 04:27:21,439
and services for vulnerable populations.

5826
04:27:21,439 --> 04:27:23,760
Together, the four categories preserve

5827
04:27:23,760 --> 04:27:26,479
core areas of city support while

5828
04:27:26,479 --> 04:27:28,960
expanding access and creating clearer

5829
04:27:28,960 --> 04:27:31,199
funding opportunities.

5830
04:27:31,199 --> 04:27:34,640
Consolidating the programs also create

5831
04:27:34,640 --> 04:27:36,720
greater consistency and simplicity with

5832
04:27:36,720 --> 04:27:39,439
a common grant cycle, standardized

5833
04:27:39,439 --> 04:27:42,239
guidelines, and a more streamline,

5834
04:27:42,239 --> 04:27:44,399
transparent, and equitable process

5835
04:27:44,399 --> 04:27:47,680
across all four categories. And now I'll

5836
04:27:47,680 --> 04:27:49,520
pass the torch to my friend and

5837
04:27:49,520 --> 04:27:51,120
colleague, Rebecca.

5838
04:27:51,120 --> 04:27:52,560
>> Thank you, David. [snorts]

5839
04:27:52,560 --> 04:27:54,560
Council's approval tonight will allow us

5840
04:27:54,560 --> 04:27:57,439
to move this work into implementation.

5841
04:27:57,439 --> 04:27:59,359
Following approval, staff will finalize

5842
04:27:59,359 --> 04:28:01,279
and publish the arts and culture policy

5843
04:28:01,279 --> 04:28:03,439
framework along with a five-year

5844
04:28:03,439 --> 04:28:06,000
implementation plan identifying priority

5845
04:28:06,000 --> 04:28:08,239
actions, timelines, and responsible

5846
04:28:08,239 --> 04:28:11,120
parties. We'll also begin incorporating

5847
04:28:11,120 --> 04:28:13,199
the adopted definitions of arts and

5848
04:28:13,199 --> 04:28:15,359
culture into city policies, programs,

5849
04:28:15,359 --> 04:28:17,600
and grant guidelines.

5850
04:28:17,600 --> 04:28:19,359
Approval tonight will also keep the

5851
04:28:19,359 --> 04:28:21,279
community impact grant program on

5852
04:28:21,279 --> 04:28:23,840
schedule. Staff can then finalize the

5853
04:28:23,840 --> 04:28:25,840
grant guidelines, application materials,

5854
04:28:25,840 --> 04:28:28,560
and scoring rubrics and launch the first

5855
04:28:28,560 --> 04:28:31,279
grant cycle this fall with funding

5856
04:28:31,279 --> 04:28:33,120
distributed at the start of the calendar

5857
04:28:33,120 --> 04:28:34,640
year.

5858
04:28:34,640 --> 04:28:36,399
Together, these actions provide a clear

5859
04:28:36,399 --> 04:28:37,920
path forward for moving this work

5860
04:28:37,920 --> 04:28:39,840
forward and advancing arts and culture

5861
04:28:39,840 --> 04:28:44,630
in Ventura over the next five years.

5862
04:28:44,640 --> 04:28:46,560
The recommendations in this staff report

5863
04:28:46,560 --> 04:28:48,399
support the economic vitality and

5864
04:28:48,399 --> 04:28:50,960
development's focus area of identify and

5865
04:28:50,960 --> 04:28:53,040
adopt arts policies and cultural

5866
04:28:53,040 --> 04:28:55,439
policies as well as the climate change

5867
04:28:55,439 --> 04:28:57,199
and environmental stewardship's focus

5868
04:28:57,199 --> 04:28:59,359
area of public input, community

5869
04:28:59,359 --> 04:29:01,760
engagement, and accountability. Next

5870
04:29:01,760 --> 04:29:04,960
slide, please.

5871
04:29:04,960 --> 04:29:06,800
The three actions in front of you this

5872
04:29:06,800 --> 04:29:09,120
evening are A approve the proposed arts

5873
04:29:09,120 --> 04:29:11,840
and culture policy framework, B approve

5874
04:29:11,840 --> 04:29:13,600
the proposed definitions of arts and

5875
04:29:13,600 --> 04:29:15,520
culture for use in city policies,

5876
04:29:15,520 --> 04:29:17,840
programs, and grant making. And C

5877
04:29:17,840 --> 04:29:19,439
approve the proposed redesign and

5878
04:29:19,439 --> 04:29:21,120
consolidation of the cultural funding

5879
04:29:21,120 --> 04:29:23,279
grant program and community partnerships

5880
04:29:23,279 --> 04:29:25,760
grant program into a single community

5881
04:29:25,760 --> 04:29:28,000
impact grant program, including the

5882
04:29:28,000 --> 04:29:30,080
proposed funding categories and eligible

5883
04:29:30,080 --> 04:29:32,239
applicants for each category. This

5884
04:29:32,239 --> 04:29:34,000
concludes our presentation. We're happy

5885
04:29:34,000 --> 04:29:37,279
to answer any questions you may have.

5886
04:29:37,279 --> 04:29:39,439
>> Thank you for your presentation, staff.

5887
04:29:39,439 --> 04:29:41,359
At this time, I'll go ahead and invite

5888
04:29:41,359 --> 04:29:43,120
my colleagues for if you have any

5889
04:29:43,120 --> 04:29:46,239
questions on this item.

5890
04:29:46,239 --> 04:29:48,960
Council member Schumacher.

5891
04:29:48,960 --> 04:29:50,479
Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, staff, for

5892
04:29:50,479 --> 04:29:55,510
your presentation. um

5893
04:29:55,520 --> 04:29:59,199
in your outreach, community outreach,

5894
04:29:59,199 --> 04:30:03,199
who who did you um go to, who were you

5895
04:30:03,199 --> 04:30:05,920
all working with

5896
04:30:05,920 --> 04:30:07,920
in the community?

5897
04:30:07,920 --> 04:30:10,159
>> So, I can share that we worked not only

5898
04:30:10,159 --> 04:30:12,319
with our arts organizations, our

5899
04:30:12,319 --> 04:30:14,080
cultural organizations, our community

5900
04:30:14,080 --> 04:30:16,880
partnerships organizations. We also held

5901
04:30:16,880 --> 04:30:18,479
community meetings and invited the

5902
04:30:18,479 --> 04:30:20,640
entire community to attend. We had

5903
04:30:20,640 --> 04:30:24,159
pop-up events across Ventura. So at Bell

5904
04:30:24,159 --> 04:30:27,520
Arts Factory, at Kellogg Park, at West

5905
04:30:27,520 --> 04:30:30,080
Park Community Center, at Bronco Vista

5906
04:30:30,080 --> 04:30:33,680
Center, at uh Ventura Community Park, we

5907
04:30:33,680 --> 04:30:36,239
had a survey. Uh we did stakeholder

5908
04:30:36,239 --> 04:30:38,080
meetings. So, we really were looking for

5909
04:30:38,080 --> 04:30:40,159
a broad cross-section of the community,

5910
04:30:40,159 --> 04:30:41,760
not only our arts and cultural

5911
04:30:41,760 --> 04:30:44,239
organizations, um, but your residents

5912
04:30:44,239 --> 04:30:48,159
who participate, enjoy, and and, uh, are

5913
04:30:48,159 --> 04:30:49,680
interested in weighing in on the

5914
04:30:49,680 --> 04:30:51,760
definitions, the policy framework, as

5915
04:30:51,760 --> 04:30:53,040
well as the grant program.

5916
04:30:53,040 --> 04:30:55,439
>> Beautiful. And were were any of those

5917
04:30:55,439 --> 04:30:58,597
events or meetings held in Spanish, too?

5918
04:30:58,597 --> 04:30:59,840
>> [clears throat]

5919
04:30:59,840 --> 04:31:02,239
>> We did have a uh virtual meeting that

5920
04:31:02,239 --> 04:31:04,479
was available in Spanish and then all of

5921
04:31:04,479 --> 04:31:06,640
the materials that we had available on

5922
04:31:06,640 --> 04:31:09,359
the website uh were also in Spanish as

5923
04:31:09,359 --> 04:31:09,760
well.

5924
04:31:09,760 --> 04:31:11,680
>> Were you all facilitating those

5925
04:31:11,680 --> 04:31:12,399
meetings?

5926
04:31:12,399 --> 04:31:15,040
>> Unfortunately, we were not. Uh but on

5927
04:31:15,040 --> 04:31:17,520
the consulting team uh with the cultural

5928
04:31:17,520 --> 04:31:18,960
planning group, they had a Spanish

5929
04:31:18,960 --> 04:31:20,800
representative and then we also had city

5930
04:31:20,800 --> 04:31:23,040
employees who spoke Spanish. So for

5931
04:31:23,040 --> 04:31:25,920
instance at uh West Park, we had a

5932
04:31:25,920 --> 04:31:28,239
community member who spoke Spanish. So

5933
04:31:28,239 --> 04:31:30,239
any community members that came up and

5934
04:31:30,239 --> 04:31:32,640
were more comfortable speaking Spanish,

5935
04:31:32,640 --> 04:31:33,920
uh, we were able to have those

5936
04:31:33,920 --> 04:31:35,120
conversations with them.

5937
04:31:35,120 --> 04:31:37,120
>> Great. Percentage-wise, how many like

5938
04:31:37,120 --> 04:31:39,279
Spanish speakers do you think you got to

5939
04:31:39,279 --> 04:31:42,000
participate in these community outreach?

5940
04:31:42,000 --> 04:31:44,960
>> I don't have an actual percentage. Um,

5941
04:31:44,960 --> 04:31:46,479
we did have quite a few community

5942
04:31:46,479 --> 04:31:48,960
members who spoke Spanish, who chose to

5943
04:31:48,960 --> 04:31:51,359
engage with us in English, but I would

5944
04:31:51,359 --> 04:31:55,600
say probably about 5 to 10% who who

5945
04:31:55,600 --> 04:31:58,080
spoke in Spanish. the remainder who

5946
04:31:58,080 --> 04:32:00,080
spoke in English but who also spoke

5947
04:32:00,080 --> 04:32:02,080
Spanish. Um, we really worked with our

5948
04:32:02,080 --> 04:32:04,000
community groups to make the connections

5949
04:32:04,000 --> 04:32:06,399
with our Spanish-speaking community too,

5950
04:32:06,399 --> 04:32:08,319
knowing that would be a comfort area.

5951
04:32:08,319 --> 04:32:12,560
>> Were I I'm just um curious where is it

5952
04:32:12,560 --> 04:32:14,720
you all were the ones facilitating these

5953
04:32:14,720 --> 04:32:19,040
events or was it um just other people?

5954
04:32:19,040 --> 04:32:21,199
>> So, it was a combination. it was the

5955
04:32:21,199 --> 04:32:23,600
consultant team who came out um to do

5956
04:32:23,600 --> 04:32:25,439
the more focused stakeholder engagement

5957
04:32:25,439 --> 04:32:27,520
as well as the community meetings and

5958
04:32:27,520 --> 04:32:30,080
then uh we had a staff team that went

5959
04:32:30,080 --> 04:32:32,080
out and and did those meetings. So

5960
04:32:32,080 --> 04:32:35,120
myself, Rebecca, uh our arts and culture

5961
04:32:35,120 --> 04:32:37,760
team, we also had community uh rep or we

5962
04:32:37,760 --> 04:32:39,840
had representatives from each of the

5963
04:32:39,840 --> 04:32:42,479
facilities that we uh held the

5964
04:32:42,479 --> 04:32:44,239
engagement at. So again, there was a

5965
04:32:44,239 --> 04:32:46,560
friendly face and individuals that the

5966
04:32:46,560 --> 04:32:48,159
community might feel more comfortable

5967
04:32:48,159 --> 04:32:50,159
speaking with and sharing their input.

5968
04:32:50,159 --> 04:32:52,080
>> Great. I'm going to hit some some uh

5969
04:32:52,080 --> 04:32:53,920
trigger points because we are talking

5970
04:32:53,920 --> 04:32:56,560
about culture. Yeah. And you just need

5971
04:32:56,560 --> 04:32:58,720
to look at this council here. We're

5972
04:32:58,720 --> 04:33:00,800
pretty diverse in the way that we we

5973
04:33:00,800 --> 04:33:02,800
approach and uh culture starts in

5974
04:33:02,800 --> 04:33:04,879
representation. And so the reason why

5975
04:33:04,879 --> 04:33:06,799
I'm asking who was facilitating those

5976
04:33:06,799 --> 04:33:09,119
meetings is because people are more

5977
04:33:09,119 --> 04:33:11,840
comfortable in participating if they see

5978
04:33:11,840 --> 04:33:14,080
themselves in the people who's asking

5979
04:33:14,080 --> 04:33:17,760
about culture. Um and so I think uh we

5980
04:33:17,760 --> 04:33:20,639
would have seen a bit more I I believe

5981
04:33:20,639 --> 04:33:23,520
in in increasing the participants um

5982
04:33:23,520 --> 04:33:26,629
that feel a little bit more um

5983
04:33:26,629 --> 04:33:27,760
[clears throat] comfortable in the

5984
04:33:27,760 --> 04:33:29,279
people the language and the environment

5985
04:33:29,279 --> 04:33:31,920
that that they recognize and feel um

5986
04:33:31,920 --> 04:33:34,879
that they can be open to in sharing what

5987
04:33:34,879 --> 04:33:37,760
they want to see in art form. Um, and

5988
04:33:37,760 --> 04:33:42,000
then just it help me understand um what

5989
04:33:42,000 --> 04:33:43,520
specifically

5990
04:33:43,520 --> 04:33:46,080
um because I think what um and I have a

5991
04:33:46,080 --> 04:33:48,480
minute left. I think what I would have

5992
04:33:48,480 --> 04:33:52,719
liked help me understand why uh on

5993
04:33:52,719 --> 04:33:56,080
category two um we're back to arts and

5994
04:33:56,080 --> 04:33:58,959
culture and not really focused just on

5995
04:33:58,959 --> 04:34:02,789
culture.

5996
04:34:02,799 --> 04:34:05,199
» Yeah. Excuse me one second. I'm just

5997
04:34:05,199 --> 04:34:07,039
getting to that place in the in the

5998
04:34:07,039 --> 04:34:08,561
materials.

5999
04:34:08,561 --> 04:34:10,160
So,

6000
04:34:10,160 --> 04:34:14,390
yeah, thank you. Um,

6001
04:34:14,400 --> 04:34:17,199
we were we were really looking to

6002
04:34:17,199 --> 04:34:19,279
reassess the program within the

6003
04:34:19,279 --> 04:34:21,520
framework of the goals from the general

6004
04:34:21,520 --> 04:34:23,279
plan

6005
04:34:23,279 --> 04:34:25,680
and from what we heard in community

6006
04:34:25,680 --> 04:34:28,240
engagement. And an important part of

6007
04:34:28,240 --> 04:34:31,520
that was broadening access and who

6008
04:34:31,520 --> 04:34:35,039
participates in the funding program.

6009
04:34:35,039 --> 04:34:39,680
So uh the first category obviously is

6010
04:34:39,680 --> 04:34:41,680
serving the arts organizations and

6011
04:34:41,680 --> 04:34:43,359
particularly those that have been

6012
04:34:43,359 --> 04:34:44,959
longstanding

6013
04:34:44,959 --> 04:34:48,400
stalwarts um organizations serving the

6014
04:34:48,400 --> 04:34:51,119
community for a long period of time.

6015
04:34:51,119 --> 04:34:54,719
This category two was intended to really

6016
04:34:54,719 --> 04:34:57,520
extend an invitation to a much broader

6017
04:34:57,520 --> 04:35:00,320
range of applicants. certainly arts and

6018
04:35:00,320 --> 04:35:02,561
cultural organizations that are that are

6019
04:35:02,561 --> 04:35:04,480
doing, you know, arts and cultural

6020
04:35:04,480 --> 04:35:09,840
projects. They're not um kind of major

6021
04:35:09,840 --> 04:35:11,840
larger organizations in the community.

6022
04:35:11,840 --> 04:35:14,320
So, it's it's saying you you can belong

6023
04:35:14,320 --> 04:35:16,959
in this category.

6024
04:35:16,959 --> 04:35:21,279
Also, we wanted to make um

6025
04:35:21,279 --> 04:35:24,160
explicit that organizations that aren't

6026
04:35:24,160 --> 04:35:26,480
incorporated, that are using a fiscal

6027
04:35:26,480 --> 04:35:28,561
receiver, organizations that are not

6028
04:35:28,561 --> 04:35:30,240
arts and cultural organizations, but

6029
04:35:30,240 --> 04:35:32,799
that use arts and culture as part of the

6030
04:35:32,799 --> 04:35:35,279
program serving the community that they

6031
04:35:35,279 --> 04:35:37,199
had a place in this framework.

6032
04:35:37,199 --> 04:35:39,760
>> Sure. So, Mr. I'm going to end with this

6033
04:35:39,760 --> 04:35:41,359
comment and then I'm going to allow my

6034
04:35:41,359 --> 04:35:42,959
colleagues to join in the conversation

6035
04:35:42,959 --> 04:35:44,959
and I'll come back to my the rest of my

6036
04:35:44,959 --> 04:35:47,760
questions. But, Mr. Plentress I think

6037
04:35:47,760 --> 04:35:50,400
the reason why we wanted at least for me

6038
04:35:50,400 --> 04:35:53,039
wanted a focus on culture is because

6039
04:35:53,039 --> 04:35:55,680
that is what's happening um when you

6040
04:35:55,680 --> 04:35:58,160
combine it with and there are several

6041
04:35:58,160 --> 04:35:59,760
other categories that have art

6042
04:35:59,760 --> 04:36:02,080
organizations individual artists and

6043
04:36:02,080 --> 04:36:05,199
even the community wellness progs but if

6044
04:36:05,199 --> 04:36:07,760
we have the reason why is because we

6045
04:36:07,760 --> 04:36:10,799
wanted a lot more people to show their

6046
04:36:10,799 --> 04:36:13,680
culture that's part of Ventura and I

6047
04:36:13,680 --> 04:36:15,600
think that's what was missing where we

6048
04:36:15,600 --> 04:36:18,240
wanted to have more Chumash artwork,

6049
04:36:18,240 --> 04:36:21,840
Filipino artwork or or in a in a way

6050
04:36:21,840 --> 04:36:24,000
that shows the diversity. Again, look at

6051
04:36:24,000 --> 04:36:28,400
this council. We are absolutely Ventura

6052
04:36:28,400 --> 04:36:30,400
and that's how we wanted to see it in

6053
04:36:30,400 --> 04:36:33,279
the art form. You erase that and the art

6054
04:36:33,279 --> 04:36:36,719
form becomes exactly the status quo.

6055
04:36:36,719 --> 04:36:39,119
Thank you.

6056
04:36:39,119 --> 04:36:40,639
>> Thank you, Deputy Mayor Halter.

6057
04:36:40,639 --> 04:36:41,840
>> Great. Thank you, Madam Mayor, and thank

6058
04:36:41,840 --> 04:36:44,160
you, staff. Let's see. A couple things.

6059
04:36:44,160 --> 04:36:47,840
first is um when it comes to Ventura's

6060
04:36:47,840 --> 04:36:51,439
cultural identity um you listed some of

6061
04:36:51,439 --> 04:36:54,000
the identity but there's many that

6062
04:36:54,000 --> 04:36:56,959
weren't included and I'm not quite sure

6063
04:36:56,959 --> 04:36:58,799
how we looked at that how we picked and

6064
04:36:58,799 --> 04:37:00,400
choose because there's things like the

6065
04:37:00,400 --> 04:37:02,959
agricultural and ranching history um

6066
04:37:02,959 --> 04:37:04,160
there's a lot of long-standing

6067
04:37:04,160 --> 04:37:06,320
traditions and organizations that have

6068
04:37:06,320 --> 04:37:09,840
been a part of Ventura for 150 years um

6069
04:37:09,840 --> 04:37:12,719
and there's a lot of um uh existing

6070
04:37:12,719 --> 04:37:14,639
organizations that really define the

6071
04:37:14,639 --> 04:37:17,600
current day uh arts organization. So it

6072
04:37:17,600 --> 04:37:20,561
seems like we probably unintentionally

6073
04:37:20,561 --> 04:37:23,840
excluded some of a a fairly large part

6074
04:37:23,840 --> 04:37:26,639
of what a lot of us consider our culture

6075
04:37:26,639 --> 04:37:28,959
uh from that description. What's your

6076
04:37:28,959 --> 04:37:29,840
comment on that?

6077
04:37:29,840 --> 04:37:31,760
>> And if I can clarify the way the

6078
04:37:31,760 --> 04:37:33,680
definition is written um there are a

6079
04:37:33,680 --> 04:37:35,840
handful of examples but it's inclusive

6080
04:37:35,840 --> 04:37:38,160
of all cultures. What we found in this

6081
04:37:38,160 --> 04:37:41,119
project is uh the community is on the

6082
04:37:41,119 --> 04:37:43,279
same page as council. Um actually the

6083
04:37:43,279 --> 04:37:46,320
same page as staff too. An inclusive

6084
04:37:46,320 --> 04:37:48,480
diverse definition. So low writer

6085
04:37:48,480 --> 04:37:51,359
culture, surf culture, um Filipino

6086
04:37:51,359 --> 04:37:53,600
culture, chum mash culture, Chinese

6087
04:37:53,600 --> 04:37:56,000
culture. To list every single culture,

6088
04:37:56,000 --> 04:37:58,400
you run the risk of leaving someone out.

6089
04:37:58,400 --> 04:38:00,879
So the definition really was intended to

6090
04:38:00,879 --> 04:38:04,320
show that inclusivity. What we found is

6091
04:38:04,320 --> 04:38:06,639
uh because culture can be challenging

6092
04:38:06,639 --> 04:38:08,080
for folks to wrap their brain around

6093
04:38:08,080 --> 04:38:09,920
because everyone has a different kind of

6094
04:38:09,920 --> 04:38:12,240
viewpoint of it, we added some of those

6095
04:38:12,240 --> 04:38:13,760
examples to try and make it more

6096
04:38:13,760 --> 04:38:15,840
accessible. Um but again, that was our

6097
04:38:15,840 --> 04:38:19,520
intent. And to speak to the um making

6098
04:38:19,520 --> 04:38:21,439
sure that we had representation when we

6099
04:38:21,439 --> 04:38:23,199
did our community outreach, we actually

6100
04:38:23,199 --> 04:38:25,119
were very intentional about the staff

6101
04:38:25,119 --> 04:38:26,719
members that we had at each of our

6102
04:38:26,719 --> 04:38:29,520
locations to make sure that for our

6103
04:38:29,520 --> 04:38:32,080
seniors, for our um individuals with

6104
04:38:32,080 --> 04:38:34,879
disabilities, uh for our Latino

6105
04:38:34,879 --> 04:38:38,160
community that they were able to see, um

6106
04:38:38,160 --> 04:38:40,639
themselves represented represented in

6107
04:38:40,639 --> 04:38:42,799
the individuals that were seeking input.

6108
04:38:42,799 --> 04:38:44,480
Obviously, we didn't have representation

6109
04:38:44,480 --> 04:38:46,799
at every single event. Um, but that

6110
04:38:46,799 --> 04:38:48,240
really was something we looked at

6111
04:38:48,240 --> 04:38:50,080
because we wanted folk we wanted the

6112
04:38:50,080 --> 04:38:51,680
community to feel comfortable sharing

6113
04:38:51,680 --> 04:38:52,639
their input.

6114
04:38:52,639 --> 04:38:55,840
>> Um, I I I I see it. That's great. But I

6115
04:38:55,840 --> 04:38:57,279
think I would add about 10 more

6116
04:38:57,279 --> 04:38:59,039
categories underneath that, maybe bullet

6117
04:38:59,039 --> 04:39:00,799
points so people understand the the

6118
04:39:00,799 --> 04:39:02,639
breadth and knowledge. And when I look

6119
04:39:02,639 --> 04:39:07,520
at um uh the four categories, um,

6120
04:39:07,520 --> 04:39:09,520
I'm not quite sure the reasoning of

6121
04:39:09,520 --> 04:39:11,600
including the social services in the

6122
04:39:11,600 --> 04:39:13,199
four categories. Why not keep that

6123
04:39:13,199 --> 04:39:16,160
separate?

6124
04:39:16,160 --> 04:39:18,160
So part of why we did the consolidation

6125
04:39:18,160 --> 04:39:20,080
is we found at least over the last seven

6126
04:39:20,080 --> 04:39:22,400
years, organizations sometimes are

6127
04:39:22,400 --> 04:39:24,080
confused on the different grant programs

6128
04:39:24,080 --> 04:39:26,639
and opportunities. So our intent was to

6129
04:39:26,639 --> 04:39:28,240
bring them together so that

6130
04:39:28,240 --> 04:39:30,639
organizations knew this is when the city

6131
04:39:30,639 --> 04:39:32,959
is releasing our community impact

6132
04:39:32,959 --> 04:39:34,561
grants. here are the different

6133
04:39:34,561 --> 04:39:36,639
opportunities that are available and

6134
04:39:36,639 --> 04:39:38,878
then they all have the same uh

6135
04:39:38,878 --> 04:39:43,680
application roll out deadline uh and and

6136
04:39:43,680 --> 04:39:45,360
so that we can talk them through the

6137
04:39:45,360 --> 04:39:47,280
process of which category may fit best

6138
04:39:47,280 --> 04:39:48,560
for their organization.

6139
04:39:48,560 --> 04:39:50,878
>> I tend to think I look at it from uh a

6140
04:39:50,878 --> 04:39:53,120
funding standpoint and I think there's

6141
04:39:53,120 --> 04:39:55,760
funders who would be confused by that.

6142
04:39:55,760 --> 04:39:57,600
uh the National Endowment for the Arts

6143
04:39:57,600 --> 04:40:00,718
particular would say um I thought this

6144
04:40:00,718 --> 04:40:02,320
was about commitment to the arts and

6145
04:40:02,320 --> 04:40:04,080
they would have to really dive in and

6146
04:40:04,080 --> 04:40:06,560
try to understand the logic but just I

6147
04:40:06,560 --> 04:40:08,080
don't want to preclude potential funding

6148
04:40:08,080 --> 04:40:09,360
from coming to the city. So that's one

6149
04:40:09,360 --> 04:40:12,240
concern and then uh back in the 90s we

6150
04:40:12,240 --> 04:40:15,840
uh uh very con uh there's reasons why we

6151
04:40:15,840 --> 04:40:17,520
declared the downtown the cultural

6152
04:40:17,520 --> 04:40:19,760
center for the city, the cultural arts

6153
04:40:19,760 --> 04:40:22,080
district. And how do you see that

6154
04:40:22,080 --> 04:40:23,520
playing into this framework? because I

6155
04:40:23,520 --> 04:40:25,440
didn't see any type of weight waiting if

6156
04:40:25,440 --> 04:40:26,638
people are doing things that are

6157
04:40:26,638 --> 04:40:29,280
economically beneficial to the city in

6158
04:40:29,280 --> 04:40:31,600
relation to the cultural district that

6159
04:40:31,600 --> 04:40:34,638
is we all know is one of the uh

6160
04:40:34,638 --> 04:40:36,878
generators economic generators for the

6161
04:40:36,878 --> 04:40:40,160
city. Um how do it it seemed like that

6162
04:40:40,160 --> 04:40:43,040
was overlooked.

6163
04:40:43,040 --> 04:40:45,600
Would you like

6164
04:40:45,600 --> 04:40:47,600
uh the cultural district is absolutely

6165
04:40:47,600 --> 04:40:50,480
an important development and and my

6166
04:40:50,480 --> 04:40:53,280
understanding is that um the district

6167
04:40:53,280 --> 04:40:55,200
will reapply to the California Arts

6168
04:40:55,200 --> 04:40:58,080
Council for designation at the next

6169
04:40:58,080 --> 04:40:59,680
opportunity.

6170
04:40:59,680 --> 04:41:03,200
Um it's treated in the uh arts and

6171
04:41:03,200 --> 04:41:05,440
culture policy framework

6172
04:41:05,440 --> 04:41:07,680
and is will absolutely be a part of the

6173
04:41:07,680 --> 04:41:09,520
implementation framework that will come

6174
04:41:09,520 --> 04:41:12,480
next. How do we look at our economic

6175
04:41:12,480 --> 04:41:15,360
benefits of the grant money, limited

6176
04:41:15,360 --> 04:41:19,040
grant money that we have um without

6177
04:41:19,040 --> 04:41:22,000
waiting how they contributed to one of

6178
04:41:22,000 --> 04:41:24,240
our major economic generators that was

6179
04:41:24,240 --> 04:41:26,160
caused almost entirely by the cultural

6180
04:41:26,160 --> 04:41:27,040
arts.

6181
04:41:27,040 --> 04:41:28,798
>> So what I can share is there are six

6182
04:41:28,798 --> 04:41:30,240
goals when it comes to the arts and

6183
04:41:30,240 --> 04:41:32,160
culture grant program and those goals

6184
04:41:32,160 --> 04:41:33,840
were pulled specifically from the arts

6185
04:41:33,840 --> 04:41:36,080
and culture element of the 2050 general

6186
04:41:36,080 --> 04:41:39,600
plan. So the adopted goals um one of

6187
04:41:39,600 --> 04:41:42,160
them is connected towards economic

6188
04:41:42,160 --> 04:41:44,638
vitality and tourism. [music] Any grant

6189
04:41:44,638 --> 04:41:46,320
applicant under the arts and culture

6190
04:41:46,320 --> 04:41:48,798
categories has to identify where their

6191
04:41:48,798 --> 04:41:51,280
project where their organization aligns

6192
04:41:51,280 --> 04:41:53,600
with one of those six goals. We didn't

6193
04:41:53,600 --> 04:41:56,320
weight any of the six uh as a higher

6194
04:41:56,320 --> 04:41:58,160
priority than the other. But that

6195
04:41:58,160 --> 04:41:59,840
absolutely would be one of the areas

6196
04:41:59,840 --> 04:42:01,520
that when applicants submit their

6197
04:42:01,520 --> 04:42:03,680
project request or their operating

6198
04:42:03,680 --> 04:42:06,080
support request, they could share in the

6199
04:42:06,080 --> 04:42:08,320
application process that not only did

6200
04:42:08,320 --> 04:42:10,958
they meet say the goal of creating more

6201
04:42:10,958 --> 04:42:13,760
access to arts and culture, but also

6202
04:42:13,760 --> 04:42:15,440
that their event or activity is an

6203
04:42:15,440 --> 04:42:17,600
economic diver that contributes to

6204
04:42:17,600 --> 04:42:18,958
economic vitality.

6205
04:42:18,958 --> 04:42:20,240
>> Thank you. I'll come back with my other

6206
04:42:20,240 --> 04:42:22,240
questions after everyone has a chance.

6207
04:42:22,240 --> 04:42:27,750
>> Thank you. Um, Council Member Compos.

6208
04:42:27,760 --> 04:42:31,040
» Thank you, Mayor. So, did you visit the

6209
04:42:31,040 --> 04:42:33,840
museum and look at the the cultural

6210
04:42:33,840 --> 04:42:35,760
history of Ventura while you were doing

6211
04:42:35,760 --> 04:42:36,560
this?

6212
04:42:36,560 --> 04:42:38,560
>> Yes, I have seen that those exhibits.

6213
04:42:38,560 --> 04:42:40,000
Yes.

6214
04:42:40,000 --> 04:42:42,320
>> Not just the specific exhibit, but in

6215
04:42:42,320 --> 04:42:45,120
the library. There's a lot of historical

6216
04:42:45,120 --> 04:42:48,480
documentation of what really was our

6217
04:42:48,480 --> 04:42:51,280
cultural arts district. going back a

6218
04:42:51,280 --> 04:42:53,840
hundred years, we had an opera house, we

6219
04:42:53,840 --> 04:42:56,958
had a symphony, and

6220
04:42:56,958 --> 04:42:59,920
later in the I think 1980s and early

6221
04:42:59,920 --> 04:43:03,040
90s, we established a cultural arts

6222
04:43:03,040 --> 04:43:05,920
district, which probably now should

6223
04:43:05,920 --> 04:43:08,798
expand all the way up to where Rubicon

6224
04:43:08,798 --> 04:43:11,520
is on Laurel Street and around the

6225
04:43:11,520 --> 04:43:13,760
avenue and to Dubber Street where Art

6226
04:43:13,760 --> 04:43:16,560
City sits. There's three or four other

6227
04:43:16,560 --> 04:43:19,680
art studios right there at Art City.

6228
04:43:19,680 --> 04:43:21,680
There's art studios up the avenue as far

6229
04:43:21,680 --> 04:43:24,798
as Ramona. There's teaching programs for

6230
04:43:24,798 --> 04:43:27,120
children in that area. They should all

6231
04:43:27,120 --> 04:43:30,958
be part of this cultural district

6232
04:43:30,958 --> 04:43:35,040
and which can be the economic basis of

6233
04:43:35,040 --> 04:43:38,320
tourism of art and culture tourism. So,

6234
04:43:38,320 --> 04:43:40,080
I think we need to really make sure

6235
04:43:40,080 --> 04:43:42,480
that's well written into what our

6236
04:43:42,480 --> 04:43:45,040
program is. I think that's what council

6237
04:43:45,040 --> 04:43:49,600
member or deputy mayor was reaching for.

6238
04:43:49,600 --> 04:43:51,520
And I can share that those locations you

6239
04:43:51,520 --> 04:43:53,280
mentioned are part of the cultural

6240
04:43:53,280 --> 04:43:55,520
district. It actually was included in

6241
04:43:55,520 --> 04:43:58,240
the grant application uh that was worked

6242
04:43:58,240 --> 04:44:00,718
on by the city and some of our arts and

6243
04:44:00,718 --> 04:44:03,280
culture organizations to the state. Um

6244
04:44:03,280 --> 04:44:05,200
it went all the way up the avenue to the

6245
04:44:05,200 --> 04:44:08,638
Rubicon and down towards uh the wave.

6246
04:44:08,638 --> 04:44:10,798
>> It it needs to go way past the wave

6247
04:44:10,798 --> 04:44:13,760
really.

6248
04:44:13,760 --> 04:44:16,000
>> Thank you.

6249
04:44:16,000 --> 04:44:18,638
Um, I don't see any other

6250
04:44:18,638 --> 04:44:20,240
colleagues with questions, so I'm going

6251
04:44:20,240 --> 04:44:22,320
to go ahead and um go to public comment

6252
04:44:22,320 --> 04:44:23,520
on this item.

6253
04:44:23,520 --> 04:44:26,000
>> Thank you, mayor. We have 14 speakers on

6254
04:44:26,000 --> 04:44:28,480
item number 14. Our first speaker is

6255
04:44:28,480 --> 04:44:30,560
Laura Mullen, followed by Karen Kitell.

6256
04:44:30,560 --> 04:44:37,830
Speakers will have three minutes.

6257
04:44:37,840 --> 04:44:41,840
» Hi, thank you so much for hearing me and

6258
04:44:41,840 --> 04:44:43,680
for considering this incredibly

6259
04:44:43,680 --> 04:44:46,080
important framework. I honor the work

6260
04:44:46,080 --> 04:44:49,600
that's been done on this and applaud the

6261
04:44:49,600 --> 04:44:52,480
fact of the focus. It is so clear. I

6262
04:44:52,480 --> 04:44:55,440
want to second uh Councilwoman Campos's

6263
04:44:55,440 --> 04:44:59,360
comments. Ventura is a city of the arts

6264
04:44:59,360 --> 04:45:01,680
and culture. It's going to be an arts

6265
04:45:01,680 --> 04:45:04,718
and culture destination. That's really

6266
04:45:04,718 --> 04:45:08,240
clear. I'm just standing up quickly for

6267
04:45:08,240 --> 04:45:10,480
those people who maybe haven't applied

6268
04:45:10,480 --> 04:45:13,840
for grants just to talk about the joy

6269
04:45:13,840 --> 04:45:16,160
and the beauty and the importance of

6270
04:45:16,160 --> 04:45:19,200
applying for grants. You are opening a

6271
04:45:19,200 --> 04:45:23,680
space for competition that will improve

6272
04:45:23,680 --> 04:45:26,958
the arts in this city because people

6273
04:45:26,958 --> 04:45:29,360
will have a framework through which to

6274
04:45:29,360 --> 04:45:31,280
see their own work and their own

6275
04:45:31,280 --> 04:45:33,920
ambitions in relationship to the

6276
04:45:33,920 --> 04:45:35,680
community.

6277
04:45:35,680 --> 04:45:39,520
And that is a form of lucid dreaming

6278
04:45:39,520 --> 04:45:43,600
that will pay off in the future.

6279
04:45:43,600 --> 04:45:47,040
I have a a question about a particular

6280
04:45:47,040 --> 04:45:50,798
aspect of this which is the fact that

6281
04:45:50,798 --> 04:45:53,040
people are only allowed to apply in one

6282
04:45:53,040 --> 04:45:55,920
category. I'm standing up to say I'm

6283
04:45:55,920 --> 04:45:58,480
sorry that's the case. I think that

6284
04:45:58,480 --> 04:46:01,280
there should be more flexibility

6285
04:46:01,280 --> 04:46:04,240
so that you allow people to find out who

6286
04:46:04,240 --> 04:46:07,280
they are and what they do best through

6287
04:46:07,280 --> 04:46:11,760
the opportunity to make the application.

6288
04:46:11,760 --> 04:46:13,600
And I thank you as well for the

6289
04:46:13,600 --> 04:46:16,320
conversation you've already been having

6290
04:46:16,320 --> 04:46:18,798
about this matter with the excellent

6291
04:46:18,798 --> 04:46:20,958
questions that have been posed. Thank

6292
04:46:20,958 --> 04:46:23,200
you for listening.

6293
04:46:23,200 --> 04:46:24,718
>> Karen Kitell followed by Casey

6294
04:46:24,718 --> 04:46:31,910
Rodriguez.

6295
04:46:31,920 --> 04:46:34,560
Good evening, Madame Mayor, city council

6296
04:46:34,560 --> 04:46:37,840
members. My name is Karen Kitell. I am

6297
04:46:37,840 --> 04:46:39,440
the chair of the Arts and Culture

6298
04:46:39,440 --> 04:46:42,160
Commission.

6299
04:46:42,160 --> 04:46:46,320
I'm volunteering with six other experts.

6300
04:46:46,320 --> 04:46:48,718
They're all here but one tonight to

6301
04:46:48,718 --> 04:46:50,878
advise you on matters affecting

6302
04:46:50,878 --> 04:46:54,000
Ventura's creative community. Our work

6303
04:46:54,000 --> 04:46:58,160
has been dense and intense

6304
04:46:58,160 --> 04:47:00,480
since 2025

6305
04:47:00,480 --> 04:47:03,520
when you named arts and culture as one

6306
04:47:03,520 --> 04:47:06,958
of the focus areas under your strategic

6307
04:47:06,958 --> 04:47:09,520
priority, economic vitality and

6308
04:47:09,520 --> 04:47:11,040
development.

6309
04:47:11,040 --> 04:47:14,000
I'm so happy to update you. So much has

6310
04:47:14,000 --> 04:47:18,638
been achieved and we can finally see

6311
04:47:18,638 --> 04:47:22,798
the other side. It's near.

6312
04:47:22,798 --> 04:47:26,400
At our commission meeting last Thursday,

6313
04:47:26,400 --> 04:47:28,958
we voted in support of the guidelines

6314
04:47:28,958 --> 04:47:31,360
proposed by the cultural planning group

6315
04:47:31,360 --> 04:47:33,680
to restructure the cultural grant

6316
04:47:33,680 --> 04:47:35,440
program

6317
04:47:35,440 --> 04:47:37,600
more effectively balancing community

6318
04:47:37,600 --> 04:47:40,400
needs with available funding as well as

6319
04:47:40,400 --> 04:47:43,200
articulating this communitydriven

6320
04:47:43,200 --> 04:47:47,760
definition of arts and culture.

6321
04:47:47,760 --> 04:47:49,840
In addition to following the community

6322
04:47:49,840 --> 04:47:53,200
in this process, the proposed plan is

6323
04:47:53,200 --> 04:47:55,440
also informed by the National Endowment

6324
04:47:55,440 --> 04:47:57,920
for the Arts and the California Arts

6325
04:47:57,920 --> 04:48:00,798
Council. As Ventura's cultural

6326
04:48:00,798 --> 04:48:04,000
infrastructure continues to grow, it is

6327
04:48:04,000 --> 04:48:07,840
smart and strategic to be in alignment

6328
04:48:07,840 --> 04:48:11,440
with state and national standards.

6329
04:48:11,440 --> 04:48:13,840
We can always do more. We will keep

6330
04:48:13,840 --> 04:48:15,840
doing more,

6331
04:48:15,840 --> 04:48:18,718
but this is a great start. There was

6332
04:48:18,718 --> 04:48:21,920
massive community outreach response and

6333
04:48:21,920 --> 04:48:24,560
the resulting dialogue has resulted in a

6334
04:48:24,560 --> 04:48:28,080
tool we can be proud of. We support the

6335
04:48:28,080 --> 04:48:30,798
staff report tonight and ask you to vote

6336
04:48:30,798 --> 04:48:32,798
in favor of the work done by the

6337
04:48:32,798 --> 04:48:35,360
cultural planning group. Thank you for

6338
04:48:35,360 --> 04:48:38,878
listening, for your leadership, and for

6339
04:48:38,878 --> 04:48:41,760
this great investment in the arts and

6340
04:48:41,760 --> 04:48:45,440
culture of Ventura. Thank you so much,

6341
04:48:45,440 --> 04:48:47,680
Casey Rodriguez, followed by Maryanne

6342
04:48:47,680 --> 04:48:53,910
Parra.

6343
04:48:53,920 --> 04:48:56,878
Haku Haku. Once again, I am speaking

6344
04:48:56,878 --> 04:48:59,280
only for myself.

6345
04:48:59,280 --> 04:49:01,680
Throughout Ventura County, I have been

6346
04:49:01,680 --> 04:49:04,400
entrusted to advocate for culture and

6347
04:49:04,400 --> 04:49:07,680
equitable representation in many spaces.

6348
04:49:07,680 --> 04:49:10,000
And it is a responsibility I take

6349
04:49:10,000 --> 04:49:12,718
fullheartedly

6350
04:49:12,718 --> 04:49:16,480
at this moment. I do not support what we

6351
04:49:16,480 --> 04:49:18,718
are presented with.

6352
04:49:18,718 --> 04:49:22,400
We must courageously support fun

6353
04:49:22,400 --> 04:49:26,160
culture. I am tired of elitist folks

6354
04:49:26,160 --> 04:49:29,520
just wanting to highlight art. And yes,

6355
04:49:29,520 --> 04:49:32,958
I am the one that will always stand for

6356
04:49:32,958 --> 04:49:34,638
culture.

6357
04:49:34,638 --> 04:49:37,280
The majority of our citizens express

6358
04:49:37,280 --> 04:49:40,080
that culture is important. In fact,

6359
04:49:40,080 --> 04:49:43,440
cultural events scurred as the highest

6360
04:49:43,440 --> 04:49:46,958
priority on the citywide survey.

6361
04:49:46,958 --> 04:49:49,520
That's why I request setting aside

6362
04:49:49,520 --> 04:49:53,440
20,000 from category 1 for a specific

6363
04:49:53,440 --> 04:49:57,280
culture grant with an emphasis on

6364
04:49:57,280 --> 04:49:59,600
projects and events that elevate

6365
04:49:59,600 --> 04:50:01,840
Ventura's

6366
04:50:01,840 --> 04:50:04,798
ethnic historical silence voices that

6367
04:50:04,798 --> 04:50:07,120
have been silenced for too long. It is

6368
04:50:07,120 --> 04:50:11,760
time that we move upward and share our

6369
04:50:11,760 --> 04:50:15,360
culture proudly

6370
04:50:15,360 --> 04:50:18,480
and place an additional emphasis on

6371
04:50:18,480 --> 04:50:21,760
culture representation on all grant

6372
04:50:21,760 --> 04:50:24,560
categories through a culture equity

6373
04:50:24,560 --> 04:50:27,760
points boost of 15%

6374
04:50:27,760 --> 04:50:30,718
for projects focused on culture

6375
04:50:30,718 --> 04:50:33,520
education including indigenous

6376
04:50:33,520 --> 04:50:35,040
engagement

6377
04:50:35,040 --> 04:50:37,440
and are providing programming that

6378
04:50:37,440 --> 04:50:40,480
serves and or is led by historically

6379
04:50:40,480 --> 04:50:42,798
undeserved communities.

6380
04:50:42,798 --> 04:50:46,080
We are no longer being silenced.

6381
04:50:46,080 --> 04:50:48,718
We have a community that supports us.

6382
04:50:48,718 --> 04:50:51,440
Now we need the resources to share

6383
04:50:51,440 --> 04:50:53,600
educate

6384
04:50:53,600 --> 04:50:56,240
ensuring that this education is led by

6385
04:50:56,240 --> 04:50:59,360
members of their highlighted culture and

6386
04:50:59,360 --> 04:51:03,920
not culturally appropriated by elitists.

6387
04:51:03,920 --> 04:51:09,190
It is our stories to share proudly.

6388
04:51:09,200 --> 04:51:11,760
We can assure by doing this Ventura will

6389
04:51:11,760 --> 04:51:14,240
reach the general plan vision of making

6390
04:51:14,240 --> 04:51:17,920
Ventura even more inclusive where all

6391
04:51:17,920 --> 04:51:21,520
voices are heard and celebrated. I am

6392
04:51:21,520 --> 04:51:23,760
also asking for an objective scoring

6393
04:51:23,760 --> 04:51:26,638
rubric. Lastly, I remind the council

6394
04:51:26,638 --> 04:51:28,638
that our official land acknowledgement

6395
04:51:28,638 --> 04:51:31,040
ends with, "May we continue learning

6396
04:51:31,040 --> 04:51:33,760
together." I encourage the council to

6397
04:51:33,760 --> 04:51:36,080
honor that statement pro by providing

6398
04:51:36,080 --> 04:51:38,958
funds from the overall budget to the

6399
04:51:38,958 --> 04:51:41,680
working shoe mash group for sharing

6400
04:51:41,680 --> 04:51:45,040
educating requires resources without

6401
04:51:45,040 --> 04:51:48,080
having to apply for a grant. Many of us

6402
04:51:48,080 --> 04:51:50,400
have volunteered countless hours for

6403
04:51:50,400 --> 04:51:53,440
years decades. Even though we are

6404
04:51:53,440 --> 04:51:55,680
grateful for the opportunities, our work

6405
04:51:55,680 --> 04:51:57,680
holds immense values and needs to be

6406
04:51:57,680 --> 04:52:00,320
honored. Thank you. Maryanne Par

6407
04:52:00,320 --> 04:52:17,670
followed by Brian Schumacher.

6408
04:52:17,680 --> 04:52:19,520
Hello, my name is Maryanne. I kind of

6409
04:52:19,520 --> 04:52:21,360
feel the same way. I feel like merging

6410
04:52:21,360 --> 04:52:24,080
arts and culture together is not really

6411
04:52:24,080 --> 04:52:26,718
representative of culture because arts

6412
04:52:26,718 --> 04:52:28,638
can most definitely represent culture

6413
04:52:28,638 --> 04:52:31,360
but it doesn't always represent culture.

6414
04:52:31,360 --> 04:52:34,480
It's very different when you talk about

6415
04:52:34,480 --> 04:52:36,480
you know 100 years ago having an opera

6416
04:52:36,480 --> 04:52:38,878
house and other things. This is a

6417
04:52:38,878 --> 04:52:41,120
culture that came and got integrated

6418
04:52:41,120 --> 04:52:43,920
into the space. It was once all true

6419
04:52:43,920 --> 04:52:46,320
mash territory for thousands of years.

6420
04:52:46,320 --> 04:52:49,120
Like we know that we have [sighs] we

6421
04:52:49,120 --> 04:52:50,798
have x-rays of the ground. We have

6422
04:52:50,798 --> 04:52:52,878
mitochondrial evidence. We have a lot of

6423
04:52:52,878 --> 04:52:56,000
science that backs this history. You

6424
04:52:56,000 --> 04:52:57,680
know the shoe masher here. The Spanish

6425
04:52:57,680 --> 04:53:00,160
came in. They eventually got tired gave

6426
04:53:00,160 --> 04:53:02,320
it to gave it to Mexico and we know that

6427
04:53:02,320 --> 04:53:04,718
the Mexican-American war then happened.

6428
04:53:04,718 --> 04:53:06,718
So a lot of this we understand is shared

6429
04:53:06,718 --> 04:53:08,958
space. Even China alley, right? It's a

6430
04:53:08,958 --> 04:53:11,440
very small depiction of what was here

6431
04:53:11,440 --> 04:53:15,040
for a very long time and it's kind of

6432
04:53:15,040 --> 04:53:17,360
painful to talk about [laughter]

6433
04:53:17,360 --> 04:53:19,760
surf culture because that's something

6434
04:53:19,760 --> 04:53:23,200
that was relatively taken from our

6435
04:53:23,200 --> 04:53:25,840
brothers and sisters in Hawaii and also

6436
04:53:25,840 --> 04:53:28,638
the kumier right the kuruk the yra all

6437
04:53:28,638 --> 04:53:31,200
these people that were canoe cultures

6438
04:53:31,200 --> 04:53:33,440
and have been riding the waves for

6439
04:53:33,440 --> 04:53:36,080
thousands of years as the chumash were

6440
04:53:36,080 --> 04:53:39,680
the first to mo which is the canoe craft

6441
04:53:39,680 --> 04:53:43,040
and our relative uh Fernando uh Labrado

6442
04:53:43,040 --> 04:53:45,200
Kitap which you can find in the museum

6443
04:53:45,200 --> 04:53:47,600
here. If it wasn't for his knowledge and

6444
04:53:47,600 --> 04:53:50,480
him teaching Harrington here, near

6445
04:53:50,480 --> 04:53:52,400
Shushalop, which is near the ocean here,

6446
04:53:52,400 --> 04:53:55,120
the the village site, how to rebuild the

6447
04:53:55,120 --> 04:53:57,040
tamole the traditional way, we wouldn't

6448
04:53:57,040 --> 04:53:59,840
have that information today. And

6449
04:53:59,840 --> 04:54:03,840
culture, I think, is often widely merged

6450
04:54:03,840 --> 04:54:06,480
into a lot of subcategories that don't

6451
04:54:06,480 --> 04:54:09,280
actually represent culture, which is you

6452
04:54:09,280 --> 04:54:11,120
can have a degree, you can read these

6453
04:54:11,120 --> 04:54:12,480
books, but it's never going to give you

6454
04:54:12,480 --> 04:54:14,240
that experience as a shoe woman living

6455
04:54:14,240 --> 04:54:15,840
in their culture. It's just very

6456
04:54:15,840 --> 04:54:18,480
different. Um, so I think there needs to

6457
04:54:18,480 --> 04:54:20,400
be some changes to this. I would really

6458
04:54:20,400 --> 04:54:23,040
like a separate culture grant. And I

6459
04:54:23,040 --> 04:54:25,840
also think if artists are able to apply

6460
04:54:25,840 --> 04:54:29,040
and have no LLC or don't need anything

6461
04:54:29,040 --> 04:54:31,760
do all do all these groups, can they not

6462
04:54:31,760 --> 04:54:33,920
have a 501c3 and maybe have a fiscal

6463
04:54:33,920 --> 04:54:37,440
sponsor making it more inclusive to

6464
04:54:37,440 --> 04:54:40,080
other groups? Now the re main reason I

6465
04:54:40,080 --> 04:54:43,440
asked that for somebody like us who we

6466
04:54:43,440 --> 04:54:45,760
chose today to officially create our

6467
04:54:45,760 --> 04:54:47,840
nonprofit to be registered with the

6468
04:54:47,840 --> 04:54:49,840
state because my parents have been doing

6469
04:54:49,840 --> 04:54:51,520
it for 50 years. I picked up the last

6470
04:54:51,520 --> 04:54:53,440
four years as doing it as just a

6471
04:54:53,440 --> 04:54:56,240
grassroots because our end goal was to

6472
04:54:56,240 --> 04:54:58,798
never to make money off of this but to

6473
04:54:58,798 --> 04:55:01,040
protect sacred sites to share the

6474
04:55:01,040 --> 04:55:03,040
history and the information in its true

6475
04:55:03,040 --> 04:55:05,120
form. I'm not a performer. I don't want

6476
04:55:05,120 --> 04:55:07,520
to be performing dances and different

6477
04:55:07,520 --> 04:55:09,680
things for the public all the time.

6478
04:55:09,680 --> 04:55:11,360
That's it reminds me of the times when

6479
04:55:11,360 --> 04:55:13,840
they had Indians in circuses just like

6480
04:55:13,840 --> 04:55:17,200
they had people in zoos. Like so I I

6481
04:55:17,200 --> 04:55:18,798
really think this needs a restructure

6482
04:55:18,798 --> 04:55:21,280
and to talk about it more because it it

6483
04:55:21,280 --> 04:55:24,400
feels like it's watering down culture.

6484
04:55:24,400 --> 04:55:26,240
Thank you.

6485
04:55:26,240 --> 04:55:28,160
>> Brian Schumacher followed by Sienna

6486
04:55:28,160 --> 04:55:34,390
Marie Sesma.

6487
04:55:34,400 --> 04:55:36,560
Hello. Good evening. Uh, Mayor Dr.

6488
04:55:36,560 --> 04:55:38,878
Sanchez Palasios, council members, uh,

6489
04:55:38,878 --> 04:55:41,280
staff. My name is Brian Schumacher and I

6490
04:55:41,280 --> 04:55:43,120
am advocacy and community impact manager

6491
04:55:43,120 --> 04:55:45,760
for Autism Society of Ventura County.

6492
04:55:45,760 --> 04:55:47,280
Thank you so much for the opportunity to

6493
04:55:47,280 --> 04:55:49,360
comment on the arts, culture, and

6494
04:55:49,360 --> 04:55:52,160
community grants program review. After

6495
04:55:52,160 --> 04:55:53,680
years of work on this process, we are

6496
04:55:53,680 --> 04:55:56,160
very pleased with the semi-final result.

6497
04:55:56,160 --> 04:55:57,600
We are grateful for all the work and

6498
04:55:57,600 --> 04:55:59,360
resources that the city has invested in

6499
04:55:59,360 --> 04:56:02,320
this process. ASVC shared with you all a

6500
04:56:02,320 --> 04:56:04,638
few suggestions over the weekend and I'd

6501
04:56:04,638 --> 04:56:06,718
like to briefly emphasize a couple of

6502
04:56:06,718 --> 04:56:09,680
important points. First of all, please

6503
04:56:09,680 --> 04:56:11,360
preserve the one application per

6504
04:56:11,360 --> 04:56:13,520
organization rule. This is one of the

6505
04:56:13,520 --> 04:56:15,360
most important equity safeguards in the

6506
04:56:15,360 --> 04:56:18,638
proposed process. Without it, larger and

6507
04:56:18,638 --> 04:56:20,798
more established organizations will

6508
04:56:20,798 --> 04:56:22,400
receive a disproportionate share of

6509
04:56:22,400 --> 04:56:24,878
limited grant funding. Keeping one

6510
04:56:24,878 --> 04:56:26,878
application per organization helps

6511
04:56:26,878 --> 04:56:28,718
ensure helps ensure smaller

6512
04:56:28,718 --> 04:56:30,480
organizations and historically

6513
04:56:30,480 --> 04:56:32,798
underrepresented communities have a fair

6514
04:56:32,798 --> 04:56:34,718
chance to access these limited public

6515
04:56:34,718 --> 04:56:36,240
funds.

6516
04:56:36,240 --> 04:56:38,400
Second, we respectfully ask the city to

6517
04:56:38,400 --> 04:56:40,560
provide ADA and disability access

6518
04:56:40,560 --> 04:56:43,680
training for all grant review panelists.

6519
04:56:43,680 --> 04:56:45,760
ADA compliance is required for grant

6520
04:56:45,760 --> 04:56:47,920
projects, but without training, grant

6521
04:56:47,920 --> 04:56:49,360
readers will not be able to verify

6522
04:56:49,360 --> 04:56:52,080
compliance as part of their scoring.

6523
04:56:52,080 --> 04:56:53,920
Additionally, we hope the city council

6524
04:56:53,920 --> 04:56:56,240
will discuss how we can ensure cultural

6525
04:56:56,240 --> 04:56:58,798
equity throughout all grant programs.

6526
04:56:58,798 --> 04:57:00,798
ASVC sent a couple of slight amendments

6527
04:57:00,798 --> 04:57:02,560
that would help to ensure the cultural

6528
04:57:02,560 --> 04:57:07,040
goals within the general plan are met throughout this grant program.

6529
04:57:07,040 --> 04:57:08,718
We support honoring the input of the

6530
04:57:08,718 --> 04:57:10,240
indigenous communities who are here to

6531
04:57:10,240 --> 04:57:12,400
give comment. Thank you for your time

6532
04:57:12,400 --> 04:57:13,840
and for working toward a grant process

6533
04:57:13,840 --> 04:57:16,638
that is fair, transparent, accessible,

6534
04:57:16,638 --> 04:57:18,400
and inclusive of the full Ventura

6535
04:57:18,400 --> 04:57:20,638
community. Thank you,

6536
04:57:20,638 --> 04:57:22,560
>> Sienna Marie Sesma, followed by Donna

6537
04:57:22,560 --> 04:57:28,390
Granada.

6538
04:57:28,400 --> 04:57:31,120
» Greetings, Madame Mayor and esteemed

6539
04:57:31,120 --> 04:57:34,000
council members. My name is Sienna Marie

6540
04:57:34,000 --> 04:57:36,320
Sesma, the vice chair of the Arts and

6541
04:57:36,320 --> 04:57:39,200
Culture Commission. It contin It

6542
04:57:39,200 --> 04:57:41,360
continues to be a pleasure to work with

6543
04:57:41,360 --> 04:57:44,160
staff and council in shaping and

6544
04:57:44,160 --> 04:57:46,560
nurturing creative growth and well-being

6545
04:57:46,560 --> 04:57:48,320
in Ventura.

6546
04:57:48,320 --> 04:57:50,560
staff and the commission chair have

6547
04:57:50,560 --> 04:57:53,200
presented their recommendations. Now, as

6548
04:57:53,200 --> 04:57:56,320
a private citizen working in Ventura's

6549
04:57:56,320 --> 04:57:59,440
creative sector for over 25 years, I'd

6550
04:57:59,440 --> 04:58:02,080
also like to present mine.

6551
04:58:02,080 --> 04:58:04,400
And I want to start to say tonight by

6552
04:58:04,400 --> 04:58:07,680
simply saying thank you. Thank you very

6553
04:58:07,680 --> 04:58:10,400
much for over the last several years,

6554
04:58:10,400 --> 04:58:12,480
I've had the opportunity to be part of

6555
04:58:12,480 --> 04:58:14,878
many conversations about the future of

6556
04:58:14,878 --> 04:58:18,240
arts and culture in Ventura. We've

6557
04:58:18,240 --> 04:58:21,840
advocated, asked questions, listened,

6558
04:58:21,840 --> 04:58:24,480
and sometimes challenged deeply each

6559
04:58:24,480 --> 04:58:27,280
other, and continued to push for a

6560
04:58:27,280 --> 04:58:30,718
greater investment in the creative and

6561
04:58:30,718 --> 04:58:33,280
culturally diverse community that makes

6562
04:58:33,280 --> 04:58:36,160
Ventura such a great place.

6563
04:58:36,160 --> 04:58:38,080
When the decision was made to bring in

6564
04:58:38,080 --> 04:58:41,120
the cultural planning group, I'll admit

6565
04:58:41,120 --> 04:58:44,080
I had a bit of skepticism. I wondered

6566
04:58:44,080 --> 04:58:46,000
what consultants coming into our

6567
04:58:46,000 --> 04:58:48,320
community could really tell us about

6568
04:58:48,320 --> 04:58:50,958
Ventura and the people who are creative

6569
04:58:50,958 --> 04:58:54,480
here, who create here, and who represent

6570
04:58:54,480 --> 04:58:57,040
the cultural diversity that we stand

6571
04:58:57,040 --> 04:59:00,080
for. But they did the work. They showed

6572
04:59:00,080 --> 04:59:02,798
up. They listened. They reached out to

6573
04:59:02,798 --> 04:59:05,760
artists, organizations, commissions,

6574
04:59:05,760 --> 04:59:08,080
community members, and stakeholders

6575
04:59:08,080 --> 04:59:10,958
throughout Ventura. the depth of their

6576
04:59:10,958 --> 04:59:13,360
community engagement along with staff

6577
04:59:13,360 --> 04:59:16,000
report. It actually really impressed me

6578
04:59:16,000 --> 04:59:18,000
and I believe the recommendations before

6579
04:59:18,000 --> 04:59:21,280
you tonight reflect that work. Are we

6580
04:59:21,280 --> 04:59:25,760
finished? Absolutely not. We are just

6581
04:59:25,760 --> 04:59:28,878
warming up. Arts and culture is an

6582
04:59:28,878 --> 04:59:32,320
evolving ecosystem and there will always

6583
04:59:32,320 --> 04:59:36,240
be a lot of work to be done, more voices

6584
04:59:36,240 --> 04:59:39,840
to be heard and more opportunities to So

6585
04:59:39,840 --> 04:59:42,480
explore and to make changes. But I

6586
04:59:42,480 --> 04:59:44,240
believe we have something here that

6587
04:59:44,240 --> 04:59:47,200
gives us a strong foundation to build

6588
04:59:47,200 --> 04:59:50,878
upon. This opens the doors for all

6589
04:59:50,878 --> 04:59:54,080
cultural groups to be considered. The

6590
04:59:54,080 --> 04:59:56,560
applications can be filed by any

6591
04:59:56,560 --> 04:59:59,680
eligible persons and groups. I'm excited

6592
04:59:59,680 --> 05:00:00,958
about where we're headed and I

6593
05:00:00,958 --> 05:00:02,560
appreciate the council's investment in

6594
05:00:02,560 --> 05:00:04,718
arts and culture, the work our city

6595
05:00:04,718 --> 05:00:06,400
staff, my fellow commissioners, and

6596
05:00:06,400 --> 05:00:07,680
everyone in our community who

6597
05:00:07,680 --> 05:00:10,480
participated in this process tonight. I

6598
05:00:10,480 --> 05:00:12,080
encourage you to support the staff

6599
05:00:12,080 --> 05:00:14,160
recommendation and allow us to make this

6600
05:00:14,160 --> 05:00:16,320
important next step forward. Thank you

6601
05:00:16,320 --> 05:00:18,240
for your leadership, for listening to

6602
05:00:18,240 --> 05:00:21,040
our creative and cultural community, and

6603
05:00:21,040 --> 05:00:23,600
for continuing to invest in the alts,

6604
05:00:23,600 --> 05:00:27,520
arts and culture of Ventura. Thank you.

6605
05:00:27,520 --> 05:00:35,190
Oo Granada, followed by Scott Miles.

6606
05:00:35,200 --> 05:00:37,280
» Good evening, honorable mayor and fellow

6607
05:00:37,280 --> 05:00:39,760
council members. My name is Donna

6608
05:00:39,760 --> 05:00:41,920
Granada and I'm the founder and

6609
05:00:41,920 --> 05:00:43,840
executive director of Focus on the

6610
05:00:43,840 --> 05:00:46,240
Master's Arts Archive and Library

6611
05:00:46,240 --> 05:00:49,920
located in Ventura. FOTM has been

6612
05:00:49,920 --> 05:00:52,400
serving our community with quality arts

6613
05:00:52,400 --> 05:00:56,560
education for over 32 years.

6614
05:00:56,560 --> 05:00:58,718
Thank you to the council and city city

6615
05:00:58,718 --> 05:01:00,798
staff for recognizing the importance of

6616
05:01:00,798 --> 05:01:03,440
the arts in Ventura. Their proposed

6617
05:01:03,440 --> 05:01:05,840
redesign and expansion of the art and

6618
05:01:05,840 --> 05:01:08,400
cultural grant program is a meaningful

6619
05:01:08,400 --> 05:01:10,638
investment in our city's cultural

6620
05:01:10,638 --> 05:01:13,520
strength, economic vitality, and quality

6621
05:01:13,520 --> 05:01:15,120
of life.

6622
05:01:15,120 --> 05:01:17,200
Because this vote will shape the grant

6623
05:01:17,200 --> 05:01:20,240
program for the next five years, I urge

6624
05:01:20,240 --> 05:01:22,798
you to adopt the staff recommendation

6625
05:01:22,798 --> 05:01:26,080
with one practical amendment. Allow

6626
05:01:26,080 --> 05:01:29,520
organizations to apply in more than one

6627
05:01:29,520 --> 05:01:32,480
category. This amendment would preserve

6628
05:01:32,480 --> 05:01:34,878
accountability while ensuring that

6629
05:01:34,878 --> 05:01:37,360
different types of eligible work are

6630
05:01:37,360 --> 05:01:40,718
evaluated and appropriately in in the

6631
05:01:40,718 --> 05:01:43,680
appropriate category. State and national

6632
05:01:43,680 --> 05:01:46,798
best practices should be considered and

6633
05:01:46,798 --> 05:01:48,638
incorporated into the proposed

6634
05:01:48,638 --> 05:01:52,400
framework. Grant programs administered

6635
05:01:52,400 --> 05:01:54,560
by the California Arts Council, National

6636
05:01:54,560 --> 05:01:56,160
Endowment of the Arts, National

6637
05:01:56,160 --> 05:01:58,560
Endowments for the Humanities provide

6638
05:01:58,560 --> 05:02:01,360
proven professional models, including

6639
05:02:01,360 --> 05:02:03,840
the ability for organizations to apply

6640
05:02:03,840 --> 05:02:07,040
in more than one category. Under the

6641
05:02:07,040 --> 05:02:09,440
current framework, an organization with

6642
05:02:09,440 --> 05:02:12,000
strong community outreach or educational

6643
05:02:12,000 --> 05:02:15,120
programming must choose between general

6644
05:02:15,120 --> 05:02:18,160
operating support and program grants,

6645
05:02:18,160 --> 05:02:20,160
even when both directly serve the

6646
05:02:20,160 --> 05:02:23,520
Ventura residents. Allowing applicants

6647
05:02:23,520 --> 05:02:25,680
in more than one category would help

6648
05:02:25,680 --> 05:02:28,798
direct program funds to public-f facing

6649
05:02:28,798 --> 05:02:32,000
activities while still recognizing the

6650
05:02:32,000 --> 05:02:34,718
operation support needed to deliver

6651
05:02:34,718 --> 05:02:37,920
those services. responsibly.

6652
05:02:37,920 --> 05:02:40,160
I respectfully ask you to support the

6653
05:02:40,160 --> 05:02:42,080
staff recommendation and include this

6654
05:02:42,080 --> 05:02:44,638
amendment so that the grant pro program

6655
05:02:44,638 --> 05:02:46,560
can deliver the greatest possible

6656
05:02:46,560 --> 05:02:49,200
benefit to Ventura over the next five

6657
05:02:49,200 --> 05:02:52,000
years. Thank you.

6658
05:02:52,000 --> 05:02:54,400
>> Next speaker is Scott Miles followed by

6659
05:02:54,400 --> 05:02:59,910
Ashley Pope.

6660
05:02:59,920 --> 05:03:01,840
» Hello. Thank you for the opportunity to

6661
05:03:01,840 --> 05:03:04,160
speak. I'm Scott Miles, member of the

6662
05:03:04,160 --> 05:03:07,120
Focus on the Masters board of directors.

6663
05:03:07,120 --> 05:03:09,120
Firstly, I want to thank the city for

6664
05:03:09,120 --> 05:03:11,600
its support of arts and culture and

6665
05:03:11,600 --> 05:03:13,680
particularly its support of focus on the

6666
05:03:13,680 --> 05:03:16,160
masters over the years. City's support

6667
05:03:16,160 --> 05:03:18,718
for focus has been critical to the

6668
05:03:18,718 --> 05:03:21,360
growth of the organization over the past

6669
05:03:21,360 --> 05:03:25,360
30 plus years. Council's the council's

6670
05:03:25,360 --> 05:03:27,600
recent focus on strengthening the arts

6671
05:03:27,600 --> 05:03:30,718
and culture landscape is admirable. The

6672
05:03:30,718 --> 05:03:32,958
increased total funding for grants is a

6673
05:03:32,958 --> 05:03:36,878
great thing. A very good grant program

6674
05:03:36,878 --> 05:03:38,798
redesign proposal, which we've heard

6675
05:03:38,798 --> 05:03:41,760
tonight, has been developed. However, I

6676
05:03:41,760 --> 05:03:44,320
urge the council to amend the program

6677
05:03:44,320 --> 05:03:46,638
structure to allow organizations the

6678
05:03:46,638 --> 05:03:49,200
ability to apply in more than one grant

6679
05:03:49,200 --> 05:03:51,040
category.

6680
05:03:51,040 --> 05:03:54,638
operations and programming work hand in

6681
05:03:54,638 --> 05:03:56,638
hand to deliver arts and culture

6682
05:03:56,638 --> 05:03:58,958
activities for the benefit of the entire

6683
05:03:58,958 --> 05:04:01,840
Ventura community. Program activities

6684
05:04:01,840 --> 05:04:04,320
cannot happen without the support of an

6685
05:04:04,320 --> 05:04:07,200
organization's operations. I hope the

6686
05:04:07,200 --> 05:04:08,878
council will adopt a grant funding

6687
05:04:08,878 --> 05:04:11,440
structure that allows for applications

6688
05:04:11,440 --> 05:04:14,480
in more than one grant category. Arts

6689
05:04:14,480 --> 05:04:16,400
and culture organizations need funding

6690
05:04:16,400 --> 05:04:18,958
support that maintains arts education

6691
05:04:18,958 --> 05:04:21,600
and outreach and expands community

6692
05:04:21,600 --> 05:04:24,080
engagement. Thank you again for your

6693
05:04:24,080 --> 05:04:26,240
support of the arts and culture in our

6694
05:04:26,240 --> 05:04:29,200
Ventura community.

6695
05:04:29,200 --> 05:04:38,390
Ashley Pope followed by Philip Fields.

6696
05:04:38,400 --> 05:04:41,120
Good evening, Mayor and Council.

6697
05:04:41,120 --> 05:04:42,798
I know most of you. My name is Ashley

6698
05:04:42,798 --> 05:04:44,160
Pope and I'm here today as the president

6699
05:04:44,160 --> 05:04:46,400
of Autism Society of Ventura County.

6700
05:04:46,400 --> 05:04:48,480
ASPC has been working on this process

6701
05:04:48,480 --> 05:04:50,638
for I think about three years which is a

6702
05:04:50,638 --> 05:04:52,320
really long time. And while the journey

6703
05:04:52,320 --> 05:04:54,798
to get here has at times been deeply

6704
05:04:54,798 --> 05:04:57,120
painful and very stressful, the

6705
05:04:57,120 --> 05:04:59,520
semifinal product is one that we are

6706
05:04:59,520 --> 05:05:02,718
very proud of. According to IRS records,

6707
05:05:02,718 --> 05:05:04,958
there are over 1,200 nonprofit

6708
05:05:04,958 --> 05:05:06,798
organizations operating in Ventura,

6709
05:05:06,798 --> 05:05:08,958
including 130 arts and culture

6710
05:05:08,958 --> 05:05:11,360
organizations and over 290 social

6711
05:05:11,360 --> 05:05:13,360
service organizations. These

6712
05:05:13,360 --> 05:05:15,520
organizations all serve different people

6713
05:05:15,520 --> 05:05:18,080
within the city of Ventura. Allowing one

6714
05:05:18,080 --> 05:05:19,680
organization to qualify for more than

6715
05:05:19,680 --> 05:05:22,080
one grant when the total allocation is

6716
05:05:22,080 --> 05:05:23,760
$340,000

6717
05:05:23,760 --> 05:05:26,320
would be selling the city short. We can

6718
05:05:26,320 --> 05:05:28,798
and must do better. We ask that you

6719
05:05:28,798 --> 05:05:30,400
please leave the application process,

6720
05:05:30,400 --> 05:05:32,240
one per organization, until we have a

6721
05:05:32,240 --> 05:05:34,878
few cycles of accessible, inclusive, and

6722
05:05:34,878 --> 05:05:37,200
equitable cycles behind us. Let's see

6723
05:05:37,200 --> 05:05:38,878
how many people these funds can reach

6724
05:05:38,878 --> 05:05:40,560
and ensure they aren't allocated in a

6725
05:05:40,560 --> 05:05:42,320
way that unintentionally benefits a

6726
05:05:42,320 --> 05:05:44,320
small segment of the community rather

6727
05:05:44,320 --> 05:05:46,718
than the community at large. As this

6728
05:05:46,718 --> 05:05:48,400
portion of the project wraps up, we want

6729
05:05:48,400 --> 05:05:50,480
to thank recreation manager Rebecca

6730
05:05:50,480 --> 05:05:52,718
Ellis and assistant director Emily Fox.

6731
05:05:52,718 --> 05:05:54,638
They have served as extraordinary

6732
05:05:54,638 --> 05:05:57,120
listeners and peacemakers and have

6733
05:05:57,120 --> 05:05:58,240
represented the city with

6734
05:05:58,240 --> 05:06:00,320
professionalism. We hope you will ensure

6735
05:06:00,320 --> 05:06:01,840
that the parks and recck team has the

6736
05:06:01,840 --> 05:06:03,680
resources they require to execute the

6737
05:06:03,680 --> 05:06:05,440
grant process with the same care and

6738
05:06:05,440 --> 05:06:07,280
attention they have executed this

6739
05:06:07,280 --> 05:06:08,798
restructuring.

6740
05:06:08,798 --> 05:06:10,560
We look forward to continuing to stay

6741
05:06:10,560 --> 05:06:12,320
engaged in the process and we truly do

6742
05:06:12,320 --> 05:06:15,360
thank you for this investment.

6743
05:06:15,360 --> 05:06:19,750
>> Next speaker is Philip Fields

6744
05:06:19,760 --> 05:06:28,470
followed by Spencer Norin.

6745
05:06:28,480 --> 05:06:31,040
We all go to the university, but how

6746
05:06:31,040 --> 05:06:33,680
much good does it do the university that

6747
05:06:33,680 --> 05:06:38,480
has a corporate name here and there

6748
05:06:38,480 --> 05:06:41,680
and you go to any school and there we

6749
05:06:41,680 --> 05:06:45,120
go. We're indoctrinated.

6750
05:06:45,120 --> 05:06:50,400
And we repeat, we talk of dead art,

6751
05:06:50,400 --> 05:06:53,440
past art,

6752
05:06:53,440 --> 05:06:58,480
but the whole mother comes to race

6753
05:06:58,480 --> 05:07:01,040
and class

6754
05:07:01,040 --> 05:07:05,910
and wealth,

6755
05:07:05,920 --> 05:07:08,400
love and hate,

6756
05:07:08,400 --> 05:07:11,200
and duality.

6757
05:07:11,200 --> 05:07:15,520
Silicon Valley, a culture of hate

6758
05:07:15,520 --> 05:07:20,080
where Zionism, Nazism

6759
05:07:20,080 --> 05:07:24,480
is flourishing throughout the world,

6760
05:07:24,480 --> 05:07:27,600
where Trump rules,

6761
05:07:27,600 --> 05:07:32,718
the next JD Bans, the next Jarvis.

6762
05:07:32,718 --> 05:07:35,520
What do they have in common? They have a

6763
05:07:35,520 --> 05:07:37,920
Yamaka.

6764
05:07:37,920 --> 05:07:39,840
And a yamaka,

6765
05:07:39,840 --> 05:07:42,480
you take it from the Jewish faith to the

6766
05:07:42,480 --> 05:07:45,200
Christian faith to Zionist faith. A

6767
05:07:45,200 --> 05:07:49,200
yarmaka, a pope with a yamaka.

6768
05:07:49,200 --> 05:07:52,560
You can look with any glass. There it

6769
05:07:52,560 --> 05:07:54,638
is. The culture,

6770
05:07:54,638 --> 05:08:00,080
a culture of race, class, wealth,

6771
05:08:00,080 --> 05:08:02,638
hedgemony.

6772
05:08:02,638 --> 05:08:06,480
Which one rules? The dominant.

6773
05:08:06,480 --> 05:08:08,400
What's the dominant? The plantation

6774
05:08:08,400 --> 05:08:10,240
economy.

6775
05:08:10,240 --> 05:08:12,000
We're going back to the plantation

6776
05:08:12,000 --> 05:08:14,480
economy.

6777
05:08:14,480 --> 05:08:19,760
And so a culture is there is destroyed

6778
05:08:19,760 --> 05:08:23,360
by the next culture and the next culture

6779
05:08:23,360 --> 05:08:28,560
and they built over a [snorts] temple,

6780
05:08:28,560 --> 05:08:32,320
another temple, and they call it holy.

6781
05:08:32,320 --> 05:08:35,520
And they call of a they talk of a god a

6782
05:08:35,520 --> 05:08:38,480
god that doesn't come doesn't talk

6783
05:08:38,480 --> 05:08:41,280
doesn't do anything for him by himself.

6784
05:08:41,280 --> 05:08:44,560
It's just the extra credit of what you

6785
05:08:44,560 --> 05:08:47,360
imagine he must be doing or his

6786
05:08:47,360 --> 05:08:49,600
followers say you got to believe it. You

6787
05:08:49,600 --> 05:08:52,638
got to see it with the faith.

6788
05:08:52,638 --> 05:08:55,120
But God doesn't speak. And Jesus doesn't

6789
05:08:55,120 --> 05:08:58,080
exist and he doesn't speak. The only one

6790
05:08:58,080 --> 05:09:00,718
that exists while we wait the kingdom of

6791
05:09:00,718 --> 05:09:03,520
God, it's us

6792
05:09:03,520 --> 05:09:05,680
as we are.

6793
05:09:05,680 --> 05:09:09,440
Some are blue eyes, green eyes, brown

6794
05:09:09,440 --> 05:09:12,958
eyes, you name it.

6795
05:09:12,958 --> 05:09:17,360
All there is for culture, it's us.

6796
05:09:17,360 --> 05:09:19,600
We are the living culture for good or

6797
05:09:19,600 --> 05:09:21,920
for bad.

6798
05:09:21,920 --> 05:09:25,600
Unfortunately, in our midst is collusion

6799
05:09:25,600 --> 05:09:28,160
or retaliation,

6800
05:09:28,160 --> 05:09:29,920
exclusivism,

6801
05:09:29,920 --> 05:09:32,718
but we got to look for equality, love

6802
05:09:32,718 --> 05:09:35,280
and sharing and reciprocity.

6803
05:09:35,280 --> 05:09:37,120
>> Next speaker is Spencer Norn, followed

6804
05:09:37,120 --> 05:09:43,430
by Nirvonica.

6805
05:09:43,440 --> 05:09:46,160
» Thank you, Mr. McDonald. Staff, uh,

6806
05:09:46,160 --> 05:09:49,520
council, mayor, VPD, translation.

6807
05:09:49,520 --> 05:09:51,040
I'll kind of admit this one kind of got

6808
05:09:51,040 --> 05:09:53,440
over my head a little bit about from

6809
05:09:53,440 --> 05:09:55,200
going to the committee a few years ago

6810
05:09:55,200 --> 05:09:57,120
to bringing it to staff to hiring

6811
05:09:57,120 --> 05:09:59,360
consultants.

6812
05:09:59,360 --> 05:10:01,120
So I thought about kind of culture a lot

6813
05:10:01,120 --> 05:10:02,798
and I want to thank Maryanne and Casey

6814
05:10:02,798 --> 05:10:05,120
for talking about recognition of the

6815
05:10:05,120 --> 05:10:06,718
ultimate greatest stewards of land

6816
05:10:06,718 --> 05:10:08,560
history is the Chumash culture on our

6817
05:10:08,560 --> 05:10:11,200
California coast. That's definitely

6818
05:10:11,200 --> 05:10:12,718
proven and identified by how they

6819
05:10:12,718 --> 05:10:14,958
steward the land over everybody else in

6820
05:10:14,958 --> 05:10:16,958
better capacity.

6821
05:10:16,958 --> 05:10:19,760
But if you look at what we know and in

6822
05:10:19,760 --> 05:10:22,480
reference culture from definition, let's

6823
05:10:22,480 --> 05:10:25,040
say off the phone or

6824
05:10:25,040 --> 05:10:26,878
just from the internet for fun

6825
05:10:26,878 --> 05:10:28,560
reference, everybody calls chat GPT,

6826
05:10:28,560 --> 05:10:30,958
right, Michael? Culture is the shared

6827
05:10:30,958 --> 05:10:32,878
way of life of a group of people, the

6828
05:10:32,878 --> 05:10:34,878
beliefs, the traditions, the customs,

6829
05:10:34,878 --> 05:10:37,760
the behaviors, the values, the language,

6830
05:10:37,760 --> 05:10:40,718
food, music, art, religion, and social

6831
05:10:40,718 --> 05:10:43,040
practices that are learned and passed

6832
05:10:43,040 --> 05:10:46,320
from one generation to another.

6833
05:10:46,320 --> 05:10:48,000
And this is where I think we all have

6834
05:10:48,000 --> 05:10:50,638
equality and people can stay to listen

6835
05:10:50,638 --> 05:10:52,240
about culture when they want to speak

6836
05:10:52,240 --> 05:10:53,840
when it's important and not listen when

6837
05:10:53,840 --> 05:10:56,160
they don't think it's important. But I

6838
05:10:56,160 --> 05:10:57,600
think it's important that you have to be

6839
05:10:57,600 --> 05:10:59,520
from somewhere for a while to

6840
05:10:59,520 --> 05:11:02,240
understand. And so you don't have to

6841
05:11:02,240 --> 05:11:03,680
raise your hand. But how many people are

6842
05:11:03,680 --> 05:11:06,080
speaking about culture wrote this

6843
05:11:06,080 --> 05:11:08,560
document are actually from Ventura, born

6844
05:11:08,560 --> 05:11:11,120
and raised in Ventura, had family

6845
05:11:11,120 --> 05:11:13,520
members born and raised in Ventura,

6846
05:11:13,520 --> 05:11:16,400
buried in Ventura. I think that has

6847
05:11:16,400 --> 05:11:18,718
merit to what's been said here and who

6848
05:11:18,718 --> 05:11:21,920
inputs this into this document.

6849
05:11:21,920 --> 05:11:23,920
So that's just my kind of spin on what I

6850
05:11:23,920 --> 05:11:26,080
thought culture and how arts played into

6851
05:11:26,080 --> 05:11:29,040
that. I think it's definitely a sub I

6852
05:11:29,040 --> 05:11:30,958
agree with how art is part of culture.

6853
05:11:30,958 --> 05:11:32,480
They're definitely not equal. They

6854
05:11:32,480 --> 05:11:36,400
shouldn't be even in the same category.

6855
05:11:36,400 --> 05:11:39,280
And since I am a man of recreation and

6856
05:11:39,280 --> 05:11:41,520
sport, I believe that this community has

6857
05:11:41,520 --> 05:11:43,040
always been part of that. especially

6858
05:11:43,040 --> 05:11:45,040
when it comes to wave riding, being in

6859
05:11:45,040 --> 05:11:48,240
the ocean, living a lifestyle of nature,

6860
05:11:48,240 --> 05:11:50,798
of hunting, of fishing, of preserving,

6861
05:11:50,798 --> 05:11:53,120
and using the land. And a lot of that

6862
05:11:53,120 --> 05:11:54,878
came for me and my family in the game of

6863
05:11:54,878 --> 05:11:57,040
baseball, actually. And I think that

6864
05:11:57,040 --> 05:11:58,638
this document for culture should have

6865
05:11:58,638 --> 05:12:01,280
the game of baseball. The first team was

6866
05:12:01,280 --> 05:12:03,760
actually formed here in 1873,

6867
05:12:03,760 --> 05:12:06,638
over 150 years ago. We've had famous

6868
05:12:06,638 --> 05:12:09,120
players throughout time that I'll leave

6869
05:12:09,120 --> 05:12:11,040
their names out for recreation and time,

6870
05:12:11,040 --> 05:12:13,280
but there was a part of the document I

6871
05:12:13,280 --> 05:12:17,920
really enjoyed. It was new AC 310

6872
05:12:17,920 --> 05:12:20,400
interdep departmental coordination. And

6873
05:12:20,400 --> 05:12:22,080
I would love to see formalization for

6874
05:12:22,080 --> 05:12:23,760
culture happen through recreation when

6875
05:12:23,760 --> 05:12:26,080
it comes to like our boxing program at

6876
05:12:26,080 --> 05:12:28,400
West Park, which has lost steam the last

6877
05:12:28,400 --> 05:12:30,638
few years. Maybe it's the motivation for

6878
05:12:30,638 --> 05:12:34,718
soccer in uh the the um the camp on in

6879
05:12:34,718 --> 05:12:37,040
Satakoy. I think there's areas that we

6880
05:12:37,040 --> 05:12:39,440
could support opportunity for grants and

6881
05:12:39,440 --> 05:12:41,680
culture through recreation to identify

6882
05:12:41,680 --> 05:12:44,240
what venture is about. Thank you.

6883
05:12:44,240 --> 05:12:47,280
>> And our final speaker is Nirvonica.

6884
05:12:47,280 --> 05:12:49,200
>> Mayor, could we take a vote to move

6885
05:12:49,200 --> 05:12:50,878
beyond 10 p.m., please?

6886
05:12:50,878 --> 05:12:53,680
>> Oh, yes. Thanks for that reminder.

6887
05:12:53,680 --> 05:12:55,040
Anybody want to make a motion to move

6888
05:12:55,040 --> 05:12:55,600
past 10?

6889
05:12:55,600 --> 05:12:57,520
>> I'll make a motion to move past 10.

6890
05:12:57,520 --> 05:12:58,958
>> Thank you. making a motion.

6891
05:12:58,958 --> 05:13:00,400
>> Thank you.

6892
05:13:00,400 --> 05:13:02,400
>> So, we have a motion and a second.

6893
05:13:02,400 --> 05:13:03,920
>> You just have to extend the meeting real

6894
05:13:03,920 --> 05:13:05,120
quick.

6895
05:13:05,120 --> 05:13:07,440
>> Give them one second.

6896
05:13:07,440 --> 05:13:12,470
>> Okay, you can enter your vote now.

6897
05:13:12,480 --> 05:13:15,520
» Thank you.

6898
05:13:15,520 --> 05:13:19,750
>> All votes have been entered.

6899
05:13:19,760 --> 05:13:22,320
» Six eyes's, one no from Deputy Mayor

6900
05:13:22,320 --> 05:13:26,628
Halter. And the motion carries.

6901
05:13:26,638 --> 05:13:28,080
Uh you can go ahead now. They just

6902
05:13:28,080 --> 05:13:31,280
needed to extend the meeting.

6903
05:13:31,280 --> 05:13:39,430
Whenever you're ready,

6904
05:13:39,440 --> 05:13:44,480
I'd like to start off by saying peace

6905
05:13:44,480 --> 05:13:49,600
and love to everyone and everything

6906
05:13:49,600 --> 05:13:51,920
everywhere.

6907
05:13:51,920 --> 05:13:53,840
And I'd like to start off by talking

6908
05:13:53,840 --> 05:13:56,160
about culture because there have been

6909
05:13:56,160 --> 05:13:59,040
people that have told me that I have no

6910
05:13:59,040 --> 05:14:01,600
culture because of the color of my skin.

6911
05:14:01,600 --> 05:14:03,120
Well, I'd like to tell you guys a little

6912
05:14:03,120 --> 05:14:05,520
bit about my culture

6913
05:14:05,520 --> 05:14:08,496
because I'm a direct descendant of Luke.

6914
05:14:08,496 --> 05:14:10,240
[sighs]

6915
05:14:10,240 --> 05:14:12,798
You know the Luke in the Bible, the the

6916
05:14:12,798 --> 05:14:15,040
book of Luke, I'm a direct descendant

6917
05:14:15,040 --> 05:14:17,280
and it's been passed down through the

6918
05:14:17,280 --> 05:14:22,310
generations through my family.

6919
05:14:22,320 --> 05:14:25,520
So, I've got culture, too.

6920
05:14:25,520 --> 05:14:34,550
And uh

6921
05:14:34,560 --> 05:14:36,878
I didn't bring my harmonica with me

6922
05:14:36,878 --> 05:14:40,480
tonight, so I'm stuck playing the

6923
05:14:40,480 --> 05:14:44,560
world's smallest harmonica tonight.

6924
05:14:44,560 --> 05:14:46,638
And uh

6925
05:14:46,638 --> 05:14:48,638
I'm going to put it in a song. I'm gonna

6926
05:14:48,638 --> 05:14:54,992
write it right now.

6927
05:14:55,002 --> 05:15:10,150
[music]

6928
05:15:10,160 --> 05:15:12,480
I approve

6929
05:15:12,480 --> 05:15:14,798
of the [music] arts and policy

6930
05:15:14,798 --> 05:15:17,918
framework. [singing]

6931
05:15:17,928 --> 05:15:18,560
» [music]

6932
05:15:18,560 --> 05:15:21,680
>> and the arts and concert culture

6933
05:15:21,680 --> 05:15:26,000
definitions [music] and grant program

6934
05:15:26,000 --> 05:15:30,070
redesign.

6935
05:15:30,080 --> 05:15:31,360
We need arts [music and singing] and

6936
05:15:31,360 --> 05:15:33,120
culture

6937
05:15:33,120 --> 05:15:35,614
in Ventura.

6938
05:15:35,614 --> 05:15:44,628
[music]

6939
05:15:44,638 --> 05:15:46,320
We want [singing and music] art and

6940
05:15:46,320 --> 05:15:49,760
culture and ventura right now.

6941
05:15:49,760 --> 05:15:51,680
[music]

6942
05:15:51,680 --> 05:15:54,240
We want art [singing] and culture and

6943
05:15:54,240 --> 05:15:56,878
ventura right now.

6944
05:15:56,878 --> 05:15:59,270
[music]

6945
05:15:59,280 --> 05:16:01,040
We want [singing]

6946
05:16:01,040 --> 05:16:05,120
art and culture and venture [music]

6947
05:16:05,120 --> 05:16:13,990
right now. [singing]

6948
05:16:14,000 --> 05:16:16,160
Thank you,

6949
05:16:16,160 --> 05:16:19,920
mayor. That concludes public comment.

6950
05:16:19,920 --> 05:16:22,240
>> Thank you to all the um speakers

6951
05:16:22,240 --> 05:16:25,040
tonight. I'll go ahead and bring it back

6952
05:16:25,040 --> 05:16:27,120
to council

6953
05:16:27,120 --> 05:16:29,440
um for additional questions and

6954
05:16:29,440 --> 05:16:32,080
deliberation. A motion is required on

6955
05:16:32,080 --> 05:16:36,550
this item.

6956
05:16:36,560 --> 05:16:41,670
I have uh Council Member Compost.

6957
05:16:41,680 --> 05:16:44,878
Thank you, Mayor. Nirvana is a hard act

6958
05:16:44,878 --> 05:16:46,878
to follow.

6959
05:16:46,878 --> 05:16:49,760
I want to mention when we started this

6960
05:16:49,760 --> 05:16:52,480
process, we spoke about economic

6961
05:16:52,480 --> 05:16:54,080
development

6962
05:16:54,080 --> 05:16:57,600
and cultural tourism. [clears throat]

6963
05:16:57,600 --> 05:17:00,638
And reading through this, I didn't see a

6964
05:17:00,638 --> 05:17:02,878
lot of focus there.

6965
05:17:02,878 --> 05:17:05,040
I wonder if you could develop some kind

6966
05:17:05,040 --> 05:17:06,638
of

6967
05:17:06,638 --> 05:17:08,958
break down a mini grant or something for

6968
05:17:08,958 --> 05:17:11,200
people who are

6969
05:17:11,200 --> 05:17:14,000
serving the downtown businesses

6970
05:17:14,000 --> 05:17:17,760
and in a way that brings tourism to town

6971
05:17:17,760 --> 05:17:19,280
there. There should be some way to

6972
05:17:19,280 --> 05:17:22,638
incorporate them into what we're doing.

6973
05:17:22,638 --> 05:17:26,240
I also want to support the comments from

6974
05:17:26,240 --> 05:17:29,840
Casey Rodriguez and Maryanne Parra.

6975
05:17:29,840 --> 05:17:33,520
There there needs to be

6976
05:17:33,520 --> 05:17:35,520
I remember when we did the land

6977
05:17:35,520 --> 05:17:37,200
acknowledgement, the Schumash land

6978
05:17:37,200 --> 05:17:39,360
acknowledgement and we were here to vote

6979
05:17:39,360 --> 05:17:42,400
on it and many Schumash people came and

6980
05:17:42,400 --> 05:17:45,360
spoke and one thing that most of them

6981
05:17:45,360 --> 05:17:48,560
had in common was don't do this if it's

6982
05:17:48,560 --> 05:17:50,240
performative.

6983
05:17:50,240 --> 05:17:51,680
Don't do it if you're just going to read

6984
05:17:51,680 --> 05:17:53,600
it before a meeting or slap it on the

6985
05:17:53,600 --> 05:17:57,040
wall. Be proactive. And this is an

6986
05:17:57,040 --> 05:18:00,320
opportunity for us to be proactive and

6987
05:18:00,320 --> 05:18:02,638
do what they asked, which is do

6988
05:18:02,638 --> 05:18:06,080
something separate for the shoe match.

6989
05:18:06,080 --> 05:18:08,160
So I would recommend, however, we craft

6990
05:18:08,160 --> 05:18:11,440
this at the end that that be included.

6991
05:18:11,440 --> 05:18:14,000
Thank you.

6992
05:18:14,000 --> 05:18:16,560
>> Thank you, Council Member Schumacher.

6993
05:18:16,560 --> 05:18:18,718
>> Thank you, Mayor. Um, and I want to echo

6994
05:18:18,718 --> 05:18:22,240
that, too. Uh just for category 2, I

6995
05:18:22,240 --> 05:18:24,718
think just reading through the staff

6996
05:18:24,718 --> 05:18:28,160
report, um my question really is and and

6997
05:18:28,160 --> 05:18:30,400
I just need some clarification. The

6998
05:18:30,400 --> 05:18:33,680
focus of the arts and culture category

6999
05:18:33,680 --> 05:18:36,798
is to I'm reading it here. Support the

7000
05:18:36,798 --> 05:18:38,400
established cultural info in

7001
05:18:38,400 --> 05:18:40,638
infrastructure and arts organizations.

7002
05:18:40,638 --> 05:18:42,958
Yes.

7003
05:18:42,958 --> 05:18:45,680
>> Yes. And for clarity in that category,

7004
05:18:45,680 --> 05:18:48,320
uh organizations can submit for an arts

7005
05:18:48,320 --> 05:18:52,480
project, a cultural project or a

7006
05:18:52,480 --> 05:18:55,920
cultural arts project where uh culture

7007
05:18:55,920 --> 05:18:58,240
is expressed through the arts. So it

7008
05:18:58,240 --> 05:18:59,840
doesn't have there does not have to be

7009
05:18:59,840 --> 05:19:03,520
arts connected in that grant category.

7010
05:19:03,520 --> 05:19:07,360
>> Great. Then I want I mean I can I can

7011
05:19:07,360 --> 05:19:11,600
support that only if it gets renamed

7012
05:19:11,600 --> 05:19:14,000
because I do not want arts and culture.

7013
05:19:14,000 --> 05:19:16,638
I want I want it to be the arts. I mean

7014
05:19:16,638 --> 05:19:18,480
I'm sorry. I want it to be the cultural

7015
05:19:18,480 --> 05:19:21,760
arts projects. So that way culture is in

7016
05:19:21,760 --> 05:19:24,320
front and people understand that this is

7017
05:19:24,320 --> 05:19:27,920
not just you know just another category

7018
05:19:27,920 --> 05:19:30,878
that they can apply for where they can

7019
05:19:30,878 --> 05:19:33,440
tack on on a you know at the last minute

7020
05:19:33,440 --> 05:19:37,360
or even just a sec at the last um not

7021
05:19:37,360 --> 05:19:39,120
even at the forefront of their minds.

7022
05:19:39,120 --> 05:19:42,400
The focus really is is to uplift um and

7023
05:19:42,400 --> 05:19:44,958
I love what what it says here is that to

7024
05:19:44,958 --> 05:19:46,798
align the arts and culture with economic

7025
05:19:46,798 --> 05:19:49,120
development and cultural tourism to

7026
05:19:49,120 --> 05:19:54,080
ensure that we are expanding um

7027
05:19:54,080 --> 05:19:56,160
here recognize and elevate Chumash

7028
05:19:56,160 --> 05:19:58,160
cultural heritage and indigenousled

7029
05:19:58,160 --> 05:20:00,878
programming. So that is what I think

7030
05:20:00,878 --> 05:20:03,920
needs to be lifted up. when you add on

7031
05:20:03,920 --> 05:20:07,360
the arts first and then culture becomes

7032
05:20:07,360 --> 05:20:09,120
an afterthought.

7033
05:20:09,120 --> 05:20:12,480
I would like to have that to be um uh

7034
05:20:12,480 --> 05:20:15,956
just renamed to cultural arts projects.

7035
05:20:15,956 --> 05:20:18,230
[clears throat]

7036
05:20:18,240 --> 05:20:20,240
» And for clarity, uh council member

7037
05:20:20,240 --> 05:20:22,878
Schumacher, if we say cultural arts

7038
05:20:22,878 --> 05:20:25,680
projects, it tends to mean that it must

7039
05:20:25,680 --> 05:20:27,600
be culture represented through the arts.

7040
05:20:27,600 --> 05:20:29,440
>> Correct. Let me just correct myself.

7041
05:20:29,440 --> 05:20:36,470
Let's just say cultural projects.

7042
05:20:36,480 --> 05:20:39,360
Thank you. Were those your comments,

7043
05:20:39,360 --> 05:20:41,200
Miss Council member Shimoker? Are you

7044
05:20:41,200 --> 05:20:41,440
done?

7045
05:20:41,440 --> 05:20:41,760
>> Yes.

7046
05:20:41,760 --> 05:20:43,600
>> Okay. Just making sure.

7047
05:20:43,600 --> 05:20:46,958
>> Um, council member Mangon.

7048
05:20:46,958 --> 05:20:48,400
>> Thank you, Madam Mayor. Thank you for

7049
05:20:48,400 --> 05:20:49,920
your presentation and all the the work

7050
05:20:49,920 --> 05:20:51,440
you guys have done with this. I have

7051
05:20:51,440 --> 05:20:54,400
some questions based on uh the public

7052
05:20:54,400 --> 05:20:56,560
comment. So, only category one is

7053
05:20:56,560 --> 05:20:58,480
allowed to apply for operational

7054
05:20:58,480 --> 05:21:01,760
support. Can you tell me why that is and

7055
05:21:01,760 --> 05:21:04,160
how do we track those expenses? Is there

7056
05:21:04,160 --> 05:21:06,400
any reporting requirements for that? Can

7057
05:21:06,400 --> 05:21:08,400
you can you speak to a little bit?

7058
05:21:08,400 --> 05:21:09,760
>> Do you want to talk about the reporting

7059
05:21:09,760 --> 05:21:10,560
requirements?

7060
05:21:10,560 --> 05:21:12,480
>> I'll speak to the reporting. So, for

7061
05:21:12,480 --> 05:21:15,280
every grant applicant, they're required

7062
05:21:15,280 --> 05:21:18,000
to to submit an itemized budget where

7063
05:21:18,000 --> 05:21:20,240
the proposed funding would go. So, when

7064
05:21:20,240 --> 05:21:22,878
it comes to operating support, uh those

7065
05:21:22,878 --> 05:21:24,958
organizations would provide that budget.

7066
05:21:24,958 --> 05:21:27,040
So if they're requesting 20,000, they

7067
05:21:27,040 --> 05:21:29,680
share specifically where it goes. We

7068
05:21:29,680 --> 05:21:31,600
check that as a staff team to ensure

7069
05:21:31,600 --> 05:21:34,160
that their eligible expenses. Once the

7070
05:21:34,160 --> 05:21:36,400
application process is completed and

7071
05:21:36,400 --> 05:21:40,480
funding awards um have been uh given,

7072
05:21:40,480 --> 05:21:42,958
then if the funding requested is not the

7073
05:21:42,958 --> 05:21:46,000
same as the funding uh awarded, then we

7074
05:21:46,000 --> 05:21:48,798
have the organization go back and revise

7075
05:21:48,798 --> 05:21:52,000
that budget. But again, uh the specific

7076
05:21:52,000 --> 05:21:54,000
amount and then there is a final report

7077
05:21:54,000 --> 05:21:56,160
due at the end of the grant cycle where

7078
05:21:56,160 --> 05:21:59,840
they um provide an update on the funding

7079
05:21:59,840 --> 05:22:01,600
that was spent as well as the outcomes

7080
05:22:01,600 --> 05:22:03,920
of their project or the activities that

7081
05:22:03,920 --> 05:22:05,040
they completed.

7082
05:22:05,040 --> 05:22:08,320
>> Okay, awesome. Thank you for that. And

7083
05:22:08,320 --> 05:22:10,798
um based on another public comment,

7084
05:22:10,798 --> 05:22:13,440
applicant compliance requirements

7085
05:22:13,440 --> 05:22:15,680
um the requirement number two is comply

7086
05:22:15,680 --> 05:22:17,200
with ADA and applicable

7087
05:22:17,200 --> 05:22:19,600
non-discrimination laws. How do we

7088
05:22:19,600 --> 05:22:21,280
ensure compliance with that? Is there

7089
05:22:21,280 --> 05:22:23,600
like there was training was mentioned.

7090
05:22:23,600 --> 05:22:26,638
Is there a handout checklist? H how is

7091
05:22:26,638 --> 05:22:30,788
that even done?

7092
05:22:30,798 --> 05:22:33,360
» So each organization has different ADA

7093
05:22:33,360 --> 05:22:35,680
compliance. Um they have to attest to

7094
05:22:35,680 --> 05:22:37,440
the fact that yes, they are compliant

7095
05:22:37,440 --> 05:22:41,040
with with ADA rules and regulations. Uh

7096
05:22:41,040 --> 05:22:43,680
we provide so so in that sense we don't

7097
05:22:43,680 --> 05:22:46,080
go to every single organization to to

7098
05:22:46,080 --> 05:22:50,958
ensure compliance. However, um we do uh

7099
05:22:50,958 --> 05:22:52,878
have an area available when it comes to

7100
05:22:52,878 --> 05:22:54,958
our grant programming. If a community

7101
05:22:54,958 --> 05:22:57,920
member or someone shares that an event

7102
05:22:57,920 --> 05:22:59,440
they attended that was funded through

7103
05:22:59,440 --> 05:23:01,360
grant funding didn't have ADA

7104
05:23:01,360 --> 05:23:02,958
compliance, they can share that with

7105
05:23:02,958 --> 05:23:05,040
staff and we will go out and uh

7106
05:23:05,040 --> 05:23:08,160
investigate. Connected to training, we

7107
05:23:08,160 --> 05:23:10,240
do we will be providing training to all

7108
05:23:10,240 --> 05:23:12,000
of our grant panelists. So there'll be

7109
05:23:12,000 --> 05:23:14,400
four separate grant panels. Each panel

7110
05:23:14,400 --> 05:23:16,480
has different eligibility requirements

7111
05:23:16,480 --> 05:23:18,480
based on the grant, but we'll be going

7112
05:23:18,480 --> 05:23:21,680
through um ADA requirements so that

7113
05:23:21,680 --> 05:23:23,360
everyone looking at the grant

7114
05:23:23,360 --> 05:23:25,120
applications is looking through a lens

7115
05:23:25,120 --> 05:23:27,360
of equity, inclusion, and access.

7116
05:23:27,360 --> 05:23:28,798
>> Okay, that's good news. Thank you for

7117
05:23:28,798 --> 05:23:33,360
that. And um why aren't how was it

7118
05:23:33,360 --> 05:23:35,120
determined that cultural events would

7119
05:23:35,120 --> 05:23:36,878
not be eligible for funding just

7120
05:23:36,878 --> 05:23:39,360
organizations?

7121
05:23:39,360 --> 05:23:41,200
>> So cultural events are typically hosted

7122
05:23:41,200 --> 05:23:43,520
by organizations. So those organizations

7123
05:23:43,520 --> 05:23:45,520
would be eligible.

7124
05:23:45,520 --> 05:23:50,390
>> Okay,

7125
05:23:50,400 --> 05:23:52,638
that's it for now. Thank you.

7126
05:23:52,638 --> 05:23:55,280
>> Thank you. to kind of follow up on uh

7127
05:23:55,280 --> 05:23:57,040
Council Member Mangon's question in

7128
05:23:57,040 --> 05:24:00,718
regards to the um I guess vetting of the

7129
05:24:00,718 --> 05:24:03,760
applications. Um

7130
05:24:03,760 --> 05:24:06,638
how many or in the past or how do you

7131
05:24:06,638 --> 05:24:09,520
consider uh applications that are

7132
05:24:09,520 --> 05:24:12,240
applying for funding for operational

7133
05:24:12,240 --> 05:24:16,958
costs versus a project? Um, I just I I

7134
05:24:16,958 --> 05:24:19,840
want to make sure that we're not

7135
05:24:19,840 --> 05:24:22,480
supplementing an organization's

7136
05:24:22,480 --> 05:24:25,520
operational cost or budget versus uh

7137
05:24:25,520 --> 05:24:28,958
budget for separate um events or

7138
05:24:28,958 --> 05:24:30,560
projects.

7139
05:24:30,560 --> 05:24:32,878
>> Sure. Well, one of the things we heard

7140
05:24:32,878 --> 05:24:34,878
in the stakeholder engagement process

7141
05:24:34,878 --> 05:24:37,840
was that basic operating

7142
05:24:37,840 --> 05:24:40,320
uh expenses were the hardest to fundra

7143
05:24:40,320 --> 05:24:43,440
for. And this is true around the

7144
05:24:43,440 --> 05:24:46,080
country. Organizations need a reliable

7145
05:24:46,080 --> 05:24:50,080
source of operating funds just to pay

7146
05:24:50,080 --> 05:24:52,160
the insurance, pay basic staff costs,

7147
05:24:52,160 --> 05:24:55,280
administration. So the intent was to use

7148
05:24:55,280 --> 05:24:58,638
that category, category one, to provide

7149
05:24:58,638 --> 05:25:00,480
that kind of support for organizations

7150
05:25:00,480 --> 05:25:03,920
that have already established themselves

7151
05:25:03,920 --> 05:25:05,760
and shown that they have the ability to

7152
05:25:05,760 --> 05:25:10,480
raise other funds. Um and again I think

7153
05:25:10,480 --> 05:25:13,120
this was responding to the needs that we

7154
05:25:13,120 --> 05:25:16,638
heard from the stakeholders themselves.

7155
05:25:16,638 --> 05:25:18,798
>> Okay. So you you'll have a process as to

7156
05:25:18,798 --> 05:25:22,560
how to not have an organization heavily

7157
05:25:22,560 --> 05:25:25,280
rely on some of this funding for their

7158
05:25:25,280 --> 05:25:26,878
operation. No cost.

7159
05:25:26,878 --> 05:25:29,280
>> Yes. Um as Emily said, there are certain

7160
05:25:29,280 --> 05:25:32,240
allowable expenses and certain uh

7161
05:25:32,240 --> 05:25:34,400
ineligible expenses. So that will be

7162
05:25:34,400 --> 05:25:36,000
part of the application screening

7163
05:25:36,000 --> 05:25:38,320
process and I'm sure the applicants

7164
05:25:38,320 --> 05:25:40,400
these organizations will be paying very

7165
05:25:40,400 --> 05:25:42,560
careful attention to how to color within

7166
05:25:42,560 --> 05:25:43,520
the lines.

7167
05:25:43,520 --> 05:25:47,920
>> Okay. And then um also touching on the

7168
05:25:47,920 --> 05:25:51,440
one application per organization

7169
05:25:51,440 --> 05:25:54,000
um can you tell me what's the downfall

7170
05:25:54,000 --> 05:25:56,240
of having two

7171
05:25:56,240 --> 05:26:00,400
um two applications per organization if

7172
05:26:00,400 --> 05:26:03,600
there is any or what? Yes, this is a

7173
05:26:03,600 --> 05:26:05,520
judgment call and we've talked about

7174
05:26:05,520 --> 05:26:10,320
this as a staff and consultant team. Um,

7175
05:26:10,320 --> 05:26:12,240
a a lot of this is that we have limited

7176
05:26:12,240 --> 05:26:14,718
dollars. I mean it it's wonderful that

7177
05:26:14,718 --> 05:26:17,120
council increased the the allocation

7178
05:26:17,120 --> 05:26:20,798
from 90,000 to 200,000 and as you know

7179
05:26:20,798 --> 05:26:23,280
uh from the staff report staff shifted

7180
05:26:23,280 --> 05:26:25,840
10,000 from the community partnerships

7181
05:26:25,840 --> 05:26:29,200
grants over to uh the arts and culture

7182
05:26:29,200 --> 05:26:33,680
side um as a part of this redesign but

7183
05:26:33,680 --> 05:26:36,160
we're still dealing with a a total pool

7184
05:26:36,160 --> 05:26:38,160
of funding available for arts and

7185
05:26:38,160 --> 05:26:42,400
cultural uses of $210,000

7186
05:26:42,400 --> 05:26:44,560
And

7187
05:26:44,560 --> 05:26:47,920
if you allow organizations uh as Donna

7188
05:26:47,920 --> 05:26:51,760
Granada said in her comments, if you

7189
05:26:51,760 --> 05:26:53,920
accept the argument that they're they're

7190
05:26:53,920 --> 05:26:56,400
eligible to apply in two categories and

7191
05:26:56,400 --> 05:26:58,638
they're allowed to do so in other

7192
05:26:58,638 --> 05:27:00,878
grant-making agencies, why can't they do

7193
05:27:00,878 --> 05:27:04,638
it here? It's a reasonable argument.

7194
05:27:04,638 --> 05:27:06,560
The problem is that with a limited pool

7195
05:27:06,560 --> 05:27:09,280
of dollars, this means there's less

7196
05:27:09,280 --> 05:27:13,280
money available for newer applications,

7197
05:27:13,280 --> 05:27:16,240
smaller, less capable uh nonprofit

7198
05:27:16,240 --> 05:27:17,920
organizations

7199
05:27:17,920 --> 05:27:20,400
and the culture side of things.

7200
05:27:20,400 --> 05:27:22,560
>> Okay, thank you. Those are my questions

7201
05:27:22,560 --> 05:27:24,638
for now. Um, Deputy Mayor Halter.

7202
05:27:24,638 --> 05:27:26,160
>> Great. Thank you. Just a couple

7203
05:27:26,160 --> 05:27:27,920
questions to follow up on that though is

7204
05:27:27,920 --> 05:27:31,920
that um applying for more than one uh

7205
05:27:31,920 --> 05:27:34,638
grant is different than being able to be

7206
05:27:34,638 --> 05:27:37,920
awarded more than one grant. If you if

7207
05:27:37,920 --> 05:27:39,760
you're not able to be awarded more than

7208
05:27:39,760 --> 05:27:42,480
one grant, uh then your comment would be

7209
05:27:42,480 --> 05:27:44,798
true. But if you're simply an

7210
05:27:44,798 --> 05:27:46,878
organization that you qualify on many

7211
05:27:46,878 --> 05:27:49,520
fronts and you want to make sure that

7212
05:27:49,520 --> 05:27:52,718
you have a chance of winning something,

7213
05:27:52,718 --> 05:27:55,360
okay, on a grant basis, I don't see why

7214
05:27:55,360 --> 05:27:57,040
we would preclude people from applying

7215
05:27:57,040 --> 05:27:59,280
for more than one grant as long as they

7216
05:27:59,280 --> 05:28:02,480
may only be awarded one.

7217
05:28:02,480 --> 05:28:05,600
>> Yes. And and certainly in some uh some

7218
05:28:05,600 --> 05:28:07,840
grant making agencies that we're aware

7219
05:28:07,840 --> 05:28:10,958
of, that has been the rule. If you get

7220
05:28:10,958 --> 05:28:13,520
two awards, you have to choose. It does

7221
05:28:13,520 --> 05:28:15,840
in introduce an element of

7222
05:28:15,840 --> 05:28:18,320
administrative difficulty because the

7223
05:28:18,320 --> 05:28:21,360
panels are needing to make recommended

7224
05:28:21,360 --> 05:28:23,760
awards and if they don't know if that

7225
05:28:23,760 --> 05:28:26,400
award's going to be accepted or not, it

7226
05:28:26,400 --> 05:28:28,080
just

7227
05:28:28,080 --> 05:28:29,520
introduces another element of

7228
05:28:29,520 --> 05:28:30,798
complexity.

7229
05:28:30,798 --> 05:28:33,280
>> Um the thank you for that. Um I could

7230
05:28:33,280 --> 05:28:36,380
see that. Uh I also the the part that's

7231
05:28:36,380 --> 05:28:38,958
[music] missing for me is looking at uh

7232
05:28:38,958 --> 05:28:42,000
how we're actually scoring uh applicants

7233
05:28:42,000 --> 05:28:43,920
because the reason why that becomes very

7234
05:28:43,920 --> 05:28:46,000
important is because to me it's a

7235
05:28:46,000 --> 05:28:48,240
there's a glaring hole between

7236
05:28:48,240 --> 05:28:50,558
connecting all the good work that we're

7237
05:28:50,558 --> 05:28:53,200
doing and the our great assets with the

7238
05:28:53,200 --> 05:28:56,878
cultural uh arts part of our community.

7239
05:28:56,878 --> 05:28:59,200
um we're not connecting the dots to

7240
05:28:59,200 --> 05:29:02,000
those those tremendous assets and trying

7241
05:29:02,000 --> 05:29:04,480
to reap the greatest amount of economic

7242
05:29:04,480 --> 05:29:06,480
benefit for the city. And I think the

7243
05:29:06,480 --> 05:29:09,040
only way you could do that now would be

7244
05:29:09,040 --> 05:29:11,760
uh how you score different applicants.

7245
05:29:11,760 --> 05:29:14,160
And uh like for instance, as I mentioned

7246
05:29:14,160 --> 05:29:16,718
with the downtown cultural district, we

7247
05:29:16,718 --> 05:29:19,360
have a fantastic asset that's 30 years

7248
05:29:19,360 --> 05:29:22,718
in the making that has come a long way.

7249
05:29:22,718 --> 05:29:25,600
How do we ignore ignore the fact that

7250
05:29:25,600 --> 05:29:27,760
this is an asset that is leading to

7251
05:29:27,760 --> 05:29:30,878
tremendous benefits for the city and yet

7252
05:29:30,878 --> 05:29:33,360
it it it's not being perceived that way

7253
05:29:33,360 --> 05:29:34,638
and it's not being taken in

7254
05:29:34,638 --> 05:29:39,040
consideration uh for getting awards.

7255
05:29:39,040 --> 05:29:40,240
Yeah, I I think that's [clears throat] a

7256
05:29:40,240 --> 05:29:42,878
great point and one of the I think

7257
05:29:42,878 --> 05:29:45,840
outcomes of applying for the California

7258
05:29:45,840 --> 05:29:48,240
Arts Council designation as a cultural

7259
05:29:48,240 --> 05:29:51,600
district will require that there be uh

7260
05:29:51,600 --> 05:29:53,920
an organization that manages the

7261
05:29:53,920 --> 05:29:55,280
cultural district. And in that case,

7262
05:29:55,280 --> 05:29:58,080
there would then be a body that could

7263
05:29:58,080 --> 05:30:00,958
receive support potentially

7264
05:30:00,958 --> 05:30:03,680
uh from the funding program or could

7265
05:30:03,680 --> 05:30:06,160
receive an allocation, you know, from

7266
05:30:06,160 --> 05:30:10,958
the city in another form. Um right now

7267
05:30:10,958 --> 05:30:14,400
it feels like the the avenue to support

7268
05:30:14,400 --> 05:30:18,160
the vitality of uh the cultural district

7269
05:30:18,160 --> 05:30:20,958
>> Yeah. is for those that are providing

7270
05:30:20,958 --> 05:30:22,958
activation and programming in the

7271
05:30:22,958 --> 05:30:25,760
district to apply for funding.

7272
05:30:25,760 --> 05:30:27,200
>> It's an incomplete answer to your

7273
05:30:27,200 --> 05:30:29,040
question, but it it's it's what we have

7274
05:30:29,040 --> 05:30:31,680
>> because unless you weigh it that these

7275
05:30:31,680 --> 05:30:33,760
are organizations that are established

7276
05:30:33,760 --> 05:30:36,000
and have been successful at bringing in

7277
05:30:36,000 --> 05:30:39,680
more economic benefit and and they're

7278
05:30:39,680 --> 05:30:41,600
weighted that way when they're reviewed

7279
05:30:41,600 --> 05:30:43,040
as an applicant that they're in the

7280
05:30:43,040 --> 05:30:45,920
cultural district. I don't see how that

7281
05:30:45,920 --> 05:30:47,760
benefits the cultural district. I just

7282
05:30:47,760 --> 05:30:49,040
don't,

7283
05:30:49,040 --> 05:30:49,680
>> you know.

7284
05:30:49,680 --> 05:30:54,080
>> So, you're you're arguing in favor of um

7285
05:30:54,080 --> 05:30:58,400
ad advantaging applicants who are

7286
05:30:58,400 --> 05:31:00,878
programming downtown or demonstrating

7287
05:31:00,878 --> 05:31:02,080
economic vitality.

7288
05:31:02,080 --> 05:31:04,718
>> There's no reason why no reason for us

7289
05:31:04,718 --> 05:31:07,200
declaring downtown or cultural district

7290
05:31:07,200 --> 05:31:09,120
um if we're going to ignore it. There

7291
05:31:09,120 --> 05:31:11,600
really isn't, you know. And then um the

7292
05:31:11,600 --> 05:31:15,040
other thing is there's a lot of cultures

7293
05:31:15,040 --> 05:31:19,120
in this community and I know our hearts

7294
05:31:19,120 --> 05:31:22,240
go out to cultures where there where

7295
05:31:22,240 --> 05:31:25,440
we're misperceived whether it's LG LGBTQ

7296
05:31:25,440 --> 05:31:30,878
or uh our Jewish uh history. Um um but

7297
05:31:30,878 --> 05:31:34,400
there's also you can't ignore the

7298
05:31:34,400 --> 05:31:37,600
culture created by our agriculture and

7299
05:31:37,600 --> 05:31:39,840
um you know by the ranching that's gone

7300
05:31:39,840 --> 05:31:43,520
on and it really doesn't matter. It's

7301
05:31:43,520 --> 05:31:45,440
exciting and a beautiful rich part of

7302
05:31:45,440 --> 05:31:47,040
our history that we have thousands of

7303
05:31:47,040 --> 05:31:51,120
years of history. Uh but to say that um

7304
05:31:51,120 --> 05:31:52,798
the history that's happened in the last

7305
05:31:52,798 --> 05:31:54,798
hundred years or 150 years is not

7306
05:31:54,798 --> 05:31:56,718
important. So, we're not going to even

7307
05:31:56,718 --> 05:32:00,400
list it on this. I I think it's turning

7308
05:32:00,400 --> 05:32:02,400
off a certain part of our population

7309
05:32:02,400 --> 05:32:06,240
here. And we I I would personally like

7310
05:32:06,240 --> 05:32:08,558
to see I I know the power of cultural

7311
05:32:08,558 --> 05:32:11,440
arts as a lot of you do in getting

7312
05:32:11,440 --> 05:32:13,680
people to recognize the benefits of

7313
05:32:13,680 --> 05:32:15,840
having so much diversity and richness in

7314
05:32:15,840 --> 05:32:18,320
our community, but it doesn't help when

7315
05:32:18,320 --> 05:32:22,558
we ignore uh the obvious cultures that

7316
05:32:22,558 --> 05:32:24,638
have been so present in the last 150

7317
05:32:24,638 --> 05:32:26,958
years. And I think we should be listing

7318
05:32:26,958 --> 05:32:30,400
those. I really do. And so anyways,

7319
05:32:30,400 --> 05:32:32,320
otherwise, uh, I think you guys have

7320
05:32:32,320 --> 05:32:34,240
done a great job and overall, I think

7321
05:32:34,240 --> 05:32:35,520
you've done a great job. I just think

7322
05:32:35,520 --> 05:32:37,200
there's some holes there that's going to

7323
05:32:37,200 --> 05:32:40,000
make it challenging as we move forward.

7324
05:32:40,000 --> 05:32:42,638
>> Thank you. I have, uh, staff number two.

7325
05:32:42,638 --> 05:32:44,080
Did you want to

7326
05:32:44,080 --> 05:32:46,160
>> say anything? Um,

7327
05:32:46,160 --> 05:32:48,400
>> I actually was able to clarify early.

7328
05:32:48,400 --> 05:32:49,040
Thank you.

7329
05:32:49,040 --> 05:32:50,480
>> Okay. Just making sure I don't skip that

7330
05:32:50,480 --> 05:32:53,440
over. Um, council member McReynolds.

7331
05:32:53,440 --> 05:32:54,878
>> Thank you, Madam Mayor. Uh, can we bring

7332
05:32:54,878 --> 05:32:57,680
up slide three

7333
05:32:57,680 --> 05:33:00,000
and then if I could ask the chair of the

7334
05:33:00,000 --> 05:33:02,480
arts and culture and vice chair to come

7335
05:33:02,480 --> 05:33:07,990
forward.

7336
05:33:08,000 --> 05:33:10,400
So, in terms of the slide that's up on

7337
05:33:10,400 --> 05:33:12,480
us, obviously there's the two meetings

7338
05:33:12,480 --> 05:33:14,240
that the arts and culture commission

7339
05:33:14,240 --> 05:33:16,638
had. I'm sure both of you were part of

7340
05:33:16,638 --> 05:33:19,360
that. In [clears throat] terms of the

7341
05:33:19,360 --> 05:33:22,958
other the outreach, the popups, uh what

7342
05:33:22,958 --> 05:33:24,240
was the involvement of the arts and

7343
05:33:24,240 --> 05:33:26,400
culture commission in terms of the other

7344
05:33:26,400 --> 05:33:28,798
items listed here? Uh and were you

7345
05:33:28,798 --> 05:33:30,480
personally part of any?

7346
05:33:30,480 --> 05:33:32,718
>> Um we were not formally

7347
05:33:32,718 --> 05:33:36,160
>> part of that. We were invited we were we

7348
05:33:36,160 --> 05:33:40,160
were allowed to um attend as individuals

7349
05:33:40,160 --> 05:33:43,360
as observers but we had no formal input

7350
05:33:43,360 --> 05:33:46,480
or leadership in those meetings. What

7351
05:33:46,480 --> 05:33:48,798
was your opinion of those meetings? I

7352
05:33:48,798 --> 05:33:50,080
guess I mean as as

7353
05:33:50,080 --> 05:33:52,320
>> I did go to about a half a dozen.

7354
05:33:52,320 --> 05:33:55,600
>> I thought they were extremely open,

7355
05:33:55,600 --> 05:33:59,280
mostly well attended. Um

7356
05:33:59,280 --> 05:34:02,480
lots and lots of repeated information,

7357
05:34:02,480 --> 05:34:05,040
extended invitations for additional

7358
05:34:05,040 --> 05:34:07,280
meetings. They were very communicative.

7359
05:34:07,280 --> 05:34:09,200
I thought

7360
05:34:09,200 --> 05:34:10,958
>> Vice Chair, do you have any

7361
05:34:10,958 --> 05:34:14,000
>> Yes, I do. I spent more most of my time

7362
05:34:14,000 --> 05:34:16,400
encouraging people to go people who come

7363
05:34:16,400 --> 05:34:19,680
up later and have an opinion about the

7364
05:34:19,680 --> 05:34:21,840
process after the process has been done.

7365
05:34:21,840 --> 05:34:24,080
So I spent a lot of time on social and

7366
05:34:24,080 --> 05:34:26,320
reaching outreach to the organizations

7367
05:34:26,320 --> 05:34:28,958
that I have connections with or contacts

7368
05:34:28,958 --> 05:34:30,480
with and just encouraging people to

7369
05:34:30,480 --> 05:34:32,558
participate since we couldn't speak and

7370
05:34:32,558 --> 05:34:34,798
we couldn't participate in any formal.

7371
05:34:34,798 --> 05:34:36,320
>> So but you did you did have the two

7372
05:34:36,320 --> 05:34:38,798
meetings uh and then the arts and

7373
05:34:38,798 --> 05:34:40,320
culture commission is making a

7374
05:34:40,320 --> 05:34:42,878
recommendation that the council adopt

7375
05:34:42,878 --> 05:34:45,840
this as

7376
05:34:45,840 --> 05:34:47,280
uh presented.

7377
05:34:47,280 --> 05:34:50,878
>> Yes, if I may elaborate on that. Um

7378
05:34:50,878 --> 05:34:53,600
we've been involved and contacted by the

7379
05:34:53,600 --> 05:34:57,520
consultant team all along and

7380
05:34:57,520 --> 05:35:00,080
while all of us, you've only heard from

7381
05:35:00,080 --> 05:35:03,120
one desenter, all of us had different

7382
05:35:03,120 --> 05:35:06,400
parts that were we favored and some

7383
05:35:06,400 --> 05:35:08,718
things that we felt were left out. But

7384
05:35:08,718 --> 05:35:12,638
we did have a 6 to1 um vote to

7385
05:35:12,638 --> 05:35:15,680
enthusiastically support this because we

7386
05:35:15,680 --> 05:35:18,558
do respect the depth and breadth of the

7387
05:35:18,558 --> 05:35:21,520
work done and in spite of some of the

7388
05:35:21,520 --> 05:35:25,040
comments that have taken place here. Um

7389
05:35:25,040 --> 05:35:28,958
it's my opinion that there are more

7390
05:35:28,958 --> 05:35:32,240
doors, more portals introduced into the

7391
05:35:32,240 --> 05:35:35,120
city funding through this proposed new

7392
05:35:35,120 --> 05:35:39,280
structure. Um, it's it's addressed and I

7393
05:35:39,280 --> 05:35:41,200
and potentially solved some of the

7394
05:35:41,200 --> 05:35:42,958
problems we've had in the last couple

7395
05:35:42,958 --> 05:35:46,718
funding cycles where organizations that

7396
05:35:46,718 --> 05:35:49,040
were not primarily

7397
05:35:49,040 --> 05:35:51,120
arts and culture providers now have

7398
05:35:51,120 --> 05:35:54,400
access to much greater funding and um so

7399
05:35:54,400 --> 05:35:57,680
yes, we had a very um

7400
05:35:57,680 --> 05:36:00,558
good session of conversations about it

7401
05:36:00,558 --> 05:36:03,680
and it was a a 61 vote. Yes.

7402
05:36:03,680 --> 05:36:04,480
>> Thank you.

7403
05:36:04,480 --> 05:36:06,400
>> So those are my questions. Thank you.

7404
05:36:06,400 --> 05:36:07,680
>> Yeah. Oh, yeah. I do have one more thing

7405
05:36:07,680 --> 05:36:11,040
to add to what um Karen said is that it

7406
05:36:11,040 --> 05:36:13,360
is a competitive application process.

7407
05:36:13,360 --> 05:36:15,120
It's a process, an application that's

7408
05:36:15,120 --> 05:36:17,680
open to all to apply. If they're

7409
05:36:17,680 --> 05:36:20,558
eligible, they get get they get to be a

7410
05:36:20,558 --> 05:36:24,000
part of the process and that it is a

7411
05:36:24,000 --> 05:36:25,680
competitive process. It's not an

7412
05:36:25,680 --> 05:36:27,440
allowance. And I think that that's

7413
05:36:27,440 --> 05:36:28,958
something that really needs to be clear

7414
05:36:28,958 --> 05:36:31,760
that everybody can apply if they're

7415
05:36:31,760 --> 05:36:33,760
eligible. And I think that there's a lot

7416
05:36:33,760 --> 05:36:35,280
more opportunity. And I think it's

7417
05:36:35,280 --> 05:36:37,040
amazing how much more we've opened the

7418
05:36:37,040 --> 05:36:39,280
door today. So, thank you.

7419
05:36:39,280 --> 05:36:41,360
>> And Miss Rodriguez, were you the one to

7420
05:36:41,360 --> 05:36:42,240
center?

7421
05:36:42,240 --> 05:36:43,120
>> I was.

7422
05:36:43,120 --> 05:36:50,948
>> Would you mind coming?

7423
05:36:50,958 --> 05:36:51,600
» So,

7424
05:36:51,600 --> 05:36:54,638
>> she did abstain.

7425
05:36:54,638 --> 05:36:56,718
>> Well, she's um what she's referring.

7426
05:36:56,718 --> 05:36:57,040
Yes.

7427
05:36:57,040 --> 05:37:02,240
>> Okay. So in terms of your abstension,

7428
05:37:02,240 --> 05:37:04,480
>> uh is that based solely on your comments

7429
05:37:04,480 --> 05:37:07,040
in terms of the the cultural component?

7430
05:37:07,040 --> 05:37:07,920
>> Yes.

7431
05:37:07,920 --> 05:37:11,440
>> So setting that one aspect aside, are

7432
05:37:11,440 --> 05:37:13,920
you in generally in favor? I mean you

7433
05:37:13,920 --> 05:37:16,240
>> Yes. And like I would agree with these

7434
05:37:16,240 --> 05:37:18,558
guys, they did a lot of large community

7435
05:37:18,558 --> 05:37:21,360
outport. We did that survey online. I

7436
05:37:21,360 --> 05:37:23,200
also reached out to the nonprofits and

7437
05:37:23,200 --> 05:37:24,798
individuals that I knew to take the

7438
05:37:24,798 --> 05:37:26,958
survey and to come. So yeah,

7439
05:37:26,958 --> 05:37:30,240
>> but being who I am as you guys know that

7440
05:37:30,240 --> 05:37:32,798
strongly advocates for culture that was

7441
05:37:32,798 --> 05:37:34,638
the only

7442
05:37:34,638 --> 05:37:37,920
>> Okay, last question. So if the you had

7443
05:37:37,920 --> 05:37:41,760
mentioned $20,000 for uh culture was as

7444
05:37:41,760 --> 05:37:45,440
a separate C I believe from category one

7445
05:37:45,440 --> 05:37:48,320
to would would that sway your vote to

7446
05:37:48,320 --> 05:37:52,480
support the the what we see before us

7447
05:37:52,480 --> 05:37:55,200
today? I believe the arts and culture

7448
05:37:55,200 --> 05:37:57,120
like Mr. Shamarker was saying it should

7449
05:37:57,120 --> 05:37:59,920
just be culture culture projects.

7450
05:37:59,920 --> 05:38:01,200
>> That was my

7451
05:38:01,200 --> 05:38:01,760
>> with that

7452
05:38:01,760 --> 05:38:04,080
>> and yeah I would be in agreement. I just

7453
05:38:04,080 --> 05:38:06,000
want to make sure that we're giving

7454
05:38:06,000 --> 05:38:07,600
respectful

7455
05:38:07,600 --> 05:38:09,680
highlighting to art and culture. Not

7456
05:38:09,680 --> 05:38:11,600
trying to combine either one but you

7457
05:38:11,600 --> 05:38:13,520
know they're both similar and in a lot

7458
05:38:13,520 --> 05:38:15,120
of ways and a lot of ways are not

7459
05:38:15,120 --> 05:38:17,360
because culture is not always producing

7460
05:38:17,360 --> 05:38:19,840
something. culture is also sharing,

7461
05:38:19,840 --> 05:38:21,360
educating,

7462
05:38:21,360 --> 05:38:23,200
involvement in other ways other than

7463
05:38:23,200 --> 05:38:25,200
just trying to produce like an artist

7464
05:38:25,200 --> 05:38:26,320
does.

7465
05:38:26,320 --> 05:38:28,798
>> Thank you. Okay, I'm well out of my

7466
05:38:28,798 --> 05:38:31,280
wheelhouse in terms of arts and culture.

7467
05:38:31,280 --> 05:38:34,718
Uh, so we have I I see two other arts

7468
05:38:34,718 --> 05:38:36,160
and culture commissioners. Maybe there's

7469
05:38:36,160 --> 05:38:38,718
more. Do I want to give you an

7470
05:38:38,718 --> 05:38:42,000
opportunity? I'm really relying on your

7471
05:38:42,000 --> 05:38:44,638
expertise to inform my decision. Is

7472
05:38:44,638 --> 05:38:45,840
there anything else that you would like

7473
05:38:45,840 --> 05:38:47,680
to add? I just want to give you the

7474
05:38:47,680 --> 05:38:50,240
opportunity. I'm not making you

7475
05:38:50,240 --> 05:38:53,520
uh Yeah. But I am relying on your

7476
05:38:53,520 --> 05:38:55,840
expertise. So if you want to you want to

7477
05:38:55,840 --> 05:38:57,920
share it, [laughter] I'm more than

7478
05:38:57,920 --> 05:39:02,558
willing to hear it.

7479
05:39:02,568 --> 05:39:03,680
[clears throat] Again, I'm not trying to

7480
05:39:03,680 --> 05:39:05,360
force you.

7481
05:39:05,360 --> 05:39:06,160
>> Why not?

7482
05:39:06,160 --> 05:39:09,040
>> Yeah.

7483
05:39:09,040 --> 05:39:11,840
>> Hi, I'm Diane Karnitzki and I'm a member

7484
05:39:11,840 --> 05:39:13,760
of the commission. I just wanted to

7485
05:39:13,760 --> 05:39:17,280
thank everyone, staff and David and his

7486
05:39:17,280 --> 05:39:19,360
team for the work that was involved. It

7487
05:39:19,360 --> 05:39:22,958
was an extensive process. I came in last

7488
05:39:22,958 --> 05:39:25,680
summer on the commission. So, I missed

7489
05:39:25,680 --> 05:39:27,520
the initial part of everything that was

7490
05:39:27,520 --> 05:39:29,600
going on, but I was definitely part of

7491
05:39:29,600 --> 05:39:32,000
the process going forward and watching

7492
05:39:32,000 --> 05:39:33,680
some of the community outreach and

7493
05:39:33,680 --> 05:39:36,240
seeing the responses from people. And

7494
05:39:36,240 --> 05:39:37,760
certainly I don't think any of the

7495
05:39:37,760 --> 05:39:40,558
people that were coming to these open

7496
05:39:40,558 --> 05:39:42,878
meetings were pressured in any way or

7497
05:39:42,878 --> 05:39:45,600
felt anything about it because they

7498
05:39:45,600 --> 05:39:48,080
basically got stickers to put on the

7499
05:39:48,080 --> 05:39:50,080
chart of the things that they felt were

7500
05:39:50,080 --> 05:39:53,040
most important to the community. So it

7501
05:39:53,040 --> 05:39:57,280
was more anonymous in certain ways

7502
05:39:57,280 --> 05:39:59,600
because no one would really know whose

7503
05:39:59,600 --> 05:40:03,840
sticker was who. And I think it's a very

7504
05:40:03,840 --> 05:40:06,320
complex procedure that we went through

7505
05:40:06,320 --> 05:40:10,160
and the actual grant program because it

7506
05:40:10,160 --> 05:40:12,160
may not be a perfect program the way it

7507
05:40:12,160 --> 05:40:14,400
is, but it does provide a structure for

7508
05:40:14,400 --> 05:40:22,798
us moving forward and I really feel that is why I went ahead and approved

7509
05:40:22,798 --> 05:40:28,548
moving this forward as well. Thank you.

7510
05:40:28,558 --> 05:40:31,040
» Yeah, I'm losing my voice.

7511
05:40:31,040 --> 05:40:32,240
you can use the microphone.

7512
05:40:32,240 --> 05:40:33,920
>> Rafael,

7513
05:40:33,920 --> 05:40:35,280
as you know, I've been teaching for a

7514
05:40:35,280 --> 05:40:37,040
long time in Santa Barbara City College,

7515
05:40:37,040 --> 05:40:39,520
like 30 something years. I don't know.

7516
05:40:39,520 --> 05:40:42,160
So, uh, and I live in Santa Barbara for

7517
05:40:42,160 --> 05:40:44,718
many years, and I saw something pretty

7518
05:40:44,718 --> 05:40:46,638
close to this happening that didn't

7519
05:40:46,638 --> 05:40:49,990
happen. And I think what I I apologize

7520
05:40:49,990 --> 05:40:51,920
[clears throat] for the the voice,

7521
05:40:51,920 --> 05:40:53,920
>> but what I find exciting about the

7522
05:40:53,920 --> 05:40:55,760
process is to see the level of

7523
05:40:55,760 --> 05:40:58,638
commitment that the city council as well

7524
05:40:58,638 --> 05:41:01,600
as the people is in front of me have put

7525
05:41:01,600 --> 05:41:03,760
into this. I went to a lot of the

7526
05:41:03,760 --> 05:41:06,400
meetings. I've been recently added to

7527
05:41:06,400 --> 05:41:08,638
the city council, no city council, the

7528
05:41:08,638 --> 05:41:11,920
art commission. And um I'm just excited

7529
05:41:11,920 --> 05:41:14,480
to see that this is actually happening.

7530
05:41:14,480 --> 05:41:16,400
And I know it has a lot of flaws. There

7531
05:41:16,400 --> 05:41:17,920
are things that you can change and tweak

7532
05:41:17,920 --> 05:41:20,320
and here and there but for me it's

7533
05:41:20,320 --> 05:41:23,760
actually a very good step ahead and

7534
05:41:23,760 --> 05:41:25,680
sometimes we don't do it because we find

7535
05:41:25,680 --> 05:41:28,558
a lot of problems in between but I think

7536
05:41:28,558 --> 05:41:31,120
this is a very good opportunity to move

7537
05:41:31,120 --> 05:41:34,480
Ventura uh in the right direction. So

7538
05:41:34,480 --> 05:41:36,878
that's why I support it. I think it's uh

7539
05:41:36,878 --> 05:41:38,558
I appreciate all the work that they have

7540
05:41:38,558 --> 05:41:40,558
been putting in this.

7541
05:41:40,558 --> 05:41:42,160
>> Thank you. [clears throat] So, uh, on

7542
05:41:42,160 --> 05:41:43,760
behalf of the city council, I want to

7543
05:41:43,760 --> 05:41:45,360
thank all of you for your service on the

7544
05:41:45,360 --> 05:41:47,760
arts and culture commission. So, it

7545
05:41:47,760 --> 05:41:51,040
really is a gap in who I am, and I I

7546
05:41:51,040 --> 05:41:52,878
thank you very much for your expertise.

7547
05:41:52,878 --> 05:41:54,558
>> Thank you.

7548
05:41:54,558 --> 05:41:57,120
>> Yes. Thank you. Uh, Council Member

7549
05:41:57,120 --> 05:41:59,600
Compost, did you still

7550
05:41:59,600 --> 05:42:03,040
>> I just have one other question. Um, I

7551
05:42:03,040 --> 05:42:05,200
think Deputy Mayor Halter mentioned

7552
05:42:05,200 --> 05:42:06,958
scoring.

7553
05:42:06,958 --> 05:42:09,840
um how are you going to ensure that the

7554
05:42:09,840 --> 05:42:12,480
scoring of each of these programs is has

7555
05:42:12,480 --> 05:42:15,040
no bias? How are you going to protect

7556
05:42:15,040 --> 05:42:18,718
the process?

7557
05:42:18,718 --> 05:42:22,160
So for each of the uh grant categories,

7558
05:42:22,160 --> 05:42:25,440
we'll have a published uh rubric and the

7559
05:42:25,440 --> 05:42:28,320
rubric aligns with the application and

7560
05:42:28,320 --> 05:42:29,760
the different narrative questions and

7561
05:42:29,760 --> 05:42:33,600
supplementals reply or um uh required.

7562
05:42:33,600 --> 05:42:35,680
So with the scoring rubric, it breaks it

7563
05:42:35,680 --> 05:42:38,558
down into one to five uh point system

7564
05:42:38,558 --> 05:42:40,558
for all of the different categories that

7565
05:42:40,558 --> 05:42:42,958
are scored. And then with each within

7566
05:42:42,958 --> 05:42:46,480
each of those scores, it shares the how

7567
05:42:46,480 --> 05:42:50,080
you get to that score. So if it meets uh

7568
05:42:50,080 --> 05:42:53,040
these items, it receives score one,

7569
05:42:53,040 --> 05:42:56,958
score two. The way we do the um review

7570
05:42:56,958 --> 05:42:59,520
process is the initial review is done by

7571
05:42:59,520 --> 05:43:01,120
the review panel after we've gone

7572
05:43:01,120 --> 05:43:03,120
through the training. So talking about

7573
05:43:03,120 --> 05:43:07,040
access um equity, making sure that uh

7574
05:43:07,040 --> 05:43:09,600
anyone who is reviewing it has to sign

7575
05:43:09,600 --> 05:43:11,760
the that they are going to to not

7576
05:43:11,760 --> 05:43:13,120
discriminate and that they're going to

7577
05:43:13,120 --> 05:43:16,320
look at them um all equally. But there

7578
05:43:16,320 --> 05:43:18,878
is a initial individual review process

7579
05:43:18,878 --> 05:43:21,280
that the panelists do. So they do that

7580
05:43:21,280 --> 05:43:23,120
in their own home. They review and they

7581
05:43:23,120 --> 05:43:24,798
score. They send those scores back to

7582
05:43:24,798 --> 05:43:27,120
staff and we review the scoring sheets

7583
05:43:27,120 --> 05:43:29,200
to see if there are any anomalies. um

7584
05:43:29,200 --> 05:43:32,320
we'll reach out to the panelists to see,

7585
05:43:32,320 --> 05:43:33,680
you know, if there's a discrepancy

7586
05:43:33,680 --> 05:43:36,400
between one category is a five and then

7587
05:43:36,400 --> 05:43:38,878
the other panelist scored at a 10. Um so

7588
05:43:38,878 --> 05:43:41,040
we'll talk through those before we come

7589
05:43:41,040 --> 05:43:43,760
to the in-person review meeting where

7590
05:43:43,760 --> 05:43:46,638
the scores are all merged and averaged

7591
05:43:46,638 --> 05:43:48,798
and then as a group the panelists talk

7592
05:43:48,798 --> 05:43:50,400
through each of the applications and

7593
05:43:50,400 --> 05:43:53,360
come up with the final um scoring and

7594
05:43:53,360 --> 05:43:55,760
then the award allocations. There is a

7595
05:43:55,760 --> 05:43:58,160
staff liaison uh monitoring each of

7596
05:43:58,160 --> 05:44:00,320
those review panels and if there's ever

7597
05:44:00,320 --> 05:44:02,638
a point where it's felt that there's a

7598
05:44:02,638 --> 05:44:06,000
panelist who is skewing the vote or is

7599
05:44:06,000 --> 05:44:09,200
sharing information that um makes it

7600
05:44:09,200 --> 05:44:10,798
either sharing information outside of

7601
05:44:10,798 --> 05:44:13,040
the application or that makes it an

7602
05:44:13,040 --> 05:44:16,080
process that seems like it's not um fair

7603
05:44:16,080 --> 05:44:18,240
and equitable. then staff would

7604
05:44:18,240 --> 05:44:21,120
intervene uh and we would likely uh

7605
05:44:21,120 --> 05:44:24,160
revise the redo the the panel review

7606
05:44:24,160 --> 05:44:26,240
process or remove that panelist and

7607
05:44:26,240 --> 05:44:27,680
continue forward with the remaining

7608
05:44:27,680 --> 05:44:29,280
panelists.

7609
05:44:29,280 --> 05:44:30,958
>> Thank you for that explanation. It's

7610
05:44:30,958 --> 05:44:34,798
very thorough. I appreciate you.

7611
05:44:34,798 --> 05:44:36,958
>> Thank you, Council Member Schumacher.

7612
05:44:36,958 --> 05:44:39,040
>> Thank you. Um, first I just want to

7613
05:44:39,040 --> 05:44:41,200
thank you for all of the hard work this

7614
05:44:41,200 --> 05:44:42,878
uh, you know, looking at slide three, it

7615
05:44:42,878 --> 05:44:44,958
just really shows how much how dedicated

7616
05:44:44,958 --> 05:44:47,520
you all were to including the public's

7617
05:44:47,520 --> 05:44:49,680
uh, voices and their input and thank you

7618
05:44:49,680 --> 05:44:52,320
to the arts um, commission. Thank you

7619
05:44:52,320 --> 05:44:53,760
for all the work that you have done and

7620
05:44:53,760 --> 05:44:56,798
I know most of you and the um, and

7621
05:44:56,798 --> 05:44:58,400
absolute expertise and I want to echo

7622
05:44:58,400 --> 05:45:00,240
what um, council member Mcrenolds had

7623
05:45:00,240 --> 05:45:02,400
said. I do not want to belabor this

7624
05:45:02,400 --> 05:45:03,920
because we have two other appointments.

7625
05:45:03,920 --> 05:45:06,400
So, I would like to move uh ahead with

7626
05:45:06,400 --> 05:45:08,480
staff's recommendation um with the

7627
05:45:08,480 --> 05:45:10,320
amendment that the category 2 is going

7628
05:45:10,320 --> 05:45:14,000
to be um renamed to cultural projects.

7629
05:45:14,000 --> 05:45:14,320
Second,

7630
05:45:14,320 --> 05:45:17,280
>> I just had a question um in regards

7631
05:45:17,280 --> 05:45:19,120
because I know several council members

7632
05:45:19,120 --> 05:45:23,040
touched upon the um historical aspect of

7633
05:45:23,040 --> 05:45:24,638
the A.

7634
05:45:24,638 --> 05:45:29,430
>> Uh how are you going to address that?

7635
05:45:29,440 --> 05:45:31,360
» So, it's encompassed in the definition

7636
05:45:31,360 --> 05:45:33,360
of culture. It's just not a specific

7637
05:45:33,360 --> 05:45:35,280
call out, but in the arts and culture

7638
05:45:35,280 --> 05:45:37,840
policy framework and then in all of the

7639
05:45:37,840 --> 05:45:39,760
additional work we do when we're sharing

7640
05:45:39,760 --> 05:45:41,360
the definitions, when we're providing

7641
05:45:41,360 --> 05:45:43,600
examples, we can absolutely make sure

7642
05:45:43,600 --> 05:45:45,760
it's included in the arts and culture

7643
05:45:45,760 --> 05:45:47,840
element of the 2050 general plan. It

7644
05:45:47,840 --> 05:45:50,240
does specifically reference agriculture.

7645
05:45:50,240 --> 05:45:52,558
It me it also references, you know,

7646
05:45:52,558 --> 05:45:55,200
rancho culture, etc. So we'll make sure

7647
05:45:55,200 --> 05:45:57,920
that kind of the broad cultural groups

7648
05:45:57,920 --> 05:45:59,840
that we have in the city are referenced

7649
05:45:59,840 --> 05:46:01,920
and and see themselves not only in the

7650
05:46:01,920 --> 05:46:04,000
documents but also in our web material.

7651
05:46:04,000 --> 05:46:06,080
>> Okay. Thank you for that. And I also

7652
05:46:06,080 --> 05:46:08,718
echo um what you've heard from from

7653
05:46:08,718 --> 05:46:10,240
council members here. Thank you for all

7654
05:46:10,240 --> 05:46:12,160
the hard work. Commissioners, thank you

7655
05:46:12,160 --> 05:46:15,200
as well for your volunteerism and your

7656
05:46:15,200 --> 05:46:17,600
time that you've put into this as well.

7657
05:46:17,600 --> 05:46:19,600
Um I think we're here because of you

7658
05:46:19,600 --> 05:46:22,080
guys. So really appreciate it. Um,

7659
05:46:22,080 --> 05:46:23,680
Council Member Duran, followed by

7660
05:46:23,680 --> 05:46:25,760
Council Member Mangon.

7661
05:46:25,760 --> 05:46:27,520
>> Yeah, thank you very much, Madame Mayor.

7662
05:46:27,520 --> 05:46:29,600
I I appreciate the tremendous amount of

7663
05:46:29,600 --> 05:46:32,240
work that staff, the commission,

7664
05:46:32,240 --> 05:46:34,638
consultant, and the art organization and

7665
05:46:34,638 --> 05:46:36,480
community have put into this. And not to

7666
05:46:36,480 --> 05:46:38,160
throw a wrench in anything, but I don't

7667
05:46:38,160 --> 05:46:39,360
and I don't really want to start over,

7668
05:46:39,360 --> 05:46:41,520
but I do want to make sure that we have

7669
05:46:41,520 --> 05:46:43,360
it right before we adopt a policy that

7670
05:46:43,360 --> 05:46:45,520
could guide Ventura for years. Um,

7671
05:46:45,520 --> 05:46:47,040
first, I want to make sure that we're

7672
05:46:47,040 --> 05:46:49,200
telling the complete story of Ventura. I

7673
05:46:49,200 --> 05:46:50,958
appreciate the recognition of Schumash

7674
05:46:50,958 --> 05:46:53,440
heritage, multicultural communities,

7675
05:46:53,440 --> 05:46:59,200
coastal and working-class identity and independent creatives. I I I

7676
05:46:59,200 --> 05:47:00,718
appreciate that. But Ventur also has a

7677
05:47:00,718 --> 05:47:02,718
rich cultural and ranching. I I agree

7678
05:47:02,718 --> 05:47:05,440
with uh our deputy mayor and um the

7679
05:47:05,440 --> 05:47:07,360
ranching history and the long-standing

7680
05:47:07,360 --> 05:47:10,160
tradition of music, theater, music

7681
05:47:10,160 --> 05:47:12,558
festivals, visual arts, and established

7682
05:47:12,558 --> 05:47:15,120
cultural cultural organizations. And I

7683
05:47:15,120 --> 05:47:16,798
just had a phone call just a couple days

7684
05:47:16,798 --> 05:47:20,000
ago. Um, and these are quote his his

7685
05:47:20,000 --> 05:47:22,080
words, not mine. Uh, what's going on

7686
05:47:22,080 --> 05:47:24,558
with our black culture? Where is our

7687
05:47:24,558 --> 05:47:26,160
black? We don't see it in the museums.

7688
05:47:26,160 --> 05:47:28,480
We don't what where are we? Okay. So, I

7689
05:47:28,480 --> 05:47:30,000
just want to share that these these

7690
05:47:30,000 --> 05:47:31,520
histories don't compete with each other.

7691
05:47:31,520 --> 05:47:34,320
Obviously, they're they're adding one

7692
05:47:34,320 --> 05:47:37,040
part of interest story um to another.

7693
05:47:37,040 --> 05:47:38,798
It's not removing one or it's just

7694
05:47:38,798 --> 05:47:40,958
adding it together. Secondly, I have a

7695
05:47:40,958 --> 05:47:42,958
question about the existing cultural

7696
05:47:42,958 --> 05:47:46,000
district. If we already have this asset,

7697
05:47:46,000 --> 05:47:47,920
then why wouldn't we first look to at

7698
05:47:47,920 --> 05:47:50,320
strengthening it, expanding it were

7699
05:47:50,320 --> 05:47:52,878
appropriate and actively promoting its

7700
05:47:52,878 --> 05:47:54,638
cultural tourism, economic development

7701
05:47:54,638 --> 05:47:56,638
tool tool before studying additional

7702
05:47:56,638 --> 05:47:58,160
districts.

7703
05:47:58,160 --> 05:48:00,718
I I And then finally, I have a concern

7704
05:48:00,718 --> 05:48:03,280
with the grant structure itself. Um,

7705
05:48:03,280 --> 05:48:06,320
we're we're talking about $340,000 of

7706
05:48:06,320 --> 05:48:09,520
public funding. Equity and accessibility

7707
05:48:09,520 --> 05:48:11,520
obviously matters, but creating

7708
05:48:11,520 --> 05:48:13,120
opportunities for smaller and

7709
05:48:13,120 --> 05:48:15,600
historically un unrepresented

7710
05:48:15,600 --> 05:48:18,240
organizations matters as well, but so do

7711
05:48:18,240 --> 05:48:20,400
outcomes. Those absolutely matter. So,

7712
05:48:20,400 --> 05:48:22,320
how many people are being served? What

7713
05:48:22,320 --> 05:48:24,240
are what is the programming that's

7714
05:48:24,240 --> 05:48:25,360
created? Does it bring people to

7715
05:48:25,360 --> 05:48:27,600
Ventura? Does it support our businesses?

7716
05:48:27,600 --> 05:48:29,760
Does it generate tourism and economic

7717
05:48:29,760 --> 05:48:31,600
activity? And can the organization

7718
05:48:31,600 --> 05:48:33,360
demonstrate that? And can it deliver

7719
05:48:33,360 --> 05:48:35,920
that? Would you would you agree um

7720
05:48:35,920 --> 05:48:37,520
Deputy Mayor Halter that that's kind of

7721
05:48:37,520 --> 05:48:39,200
an important part?

7722
05:48:39,200 --> 05:48:40,798
>> I'm sorry. I was thinking of

7723
05:48:40,798 --> 05:48:42,480
>> uh the the part of what you're saying.

7724
05:48:42,480 --> 05:48:44,638
>> Yeah. Economic develop uh vitality.

7725
05:48:44,638 --> 05:48:46,718
>> Exactly. Yeah. I I'm I'm particularly

7726
05:48:46,718 --> 05:48:47,920
concerned about

7727
05:48:47,920 --> 05:48:49,840
>> requiring organizations to choose

7728
05:48:49,840 --> 05:48:52,160
between operating support and project

7729
05:48:52,160 --> 05:48:54,400
funding. Those serve two different

7730
05:48:54,400 --> 05:48:56,480
purposes. Operating support helps

7731
05:48:56,480 --> 05:48:59,120
sustain an organization. project funding

7732
05:48:59,120 --> 05:49:01,200
produces the concerts and the festivals

7733
05:49:01,200 --> 05:49:04,000
and the e uh exhibitions and um

7734
05:49:04,000 --> 05:49:06,400
performances and events and directly

7735
05:49:06,400 --> 05:49:08,320
benefit the public. I understand the

7736
05:49:08,320 --> 05:49:10,558
concern that allowing two grants could

7737
05:49:10,558 --> 05:49:12,718
result in few organizations receiving

7738
05:49:12,718 --> 05:49:14,958
too much of the available funding. I get

7739
05:49:14,958 --> 05:49:17,840
that that's legitimate and we should

7740
05:49:17,840 --> 05:49:19,440
protect against that. But rather than

7741
05:49:19,440 --> 05:49:22,080
prohibiting a second application, could

7742
05:49:22,080 --> 05:49:25,200
we allow one operating application and

7743
05:49:25,200 --> 05:49:27,760
one project application, score them

7744
05:49:27,760 --> 05:49:30,400
independently, establish a reasonable

7745
05:49:30,400 --> 05:49:32,320
combined cap and make clear that

7746
05:49:32,320 --> 05:49:33,840
receiving one does not guarantee

7747
05:49:33,840 --> 05:49:36,320
receiving the other. I things to think

7748
05:49:36,320 --> 05:49:38,400
about. We could also consider two two

7749
05:49:38,400 --> 05:49:41,520
awards uh broader pool. I I just think

7750
05:49:41,520 --> 05:49:43,120
there's more to think about in all of

7751
05:49:43,120 --> 05:49:44,958
this. I would also like to see the

7752
05:49:44,958 --> 05:49:47,840
scoring rubric. um if economic

7753
05:49:47,840 --> 05:49:49,600
development and cultural tourism are

7754
05:49:49,600 --> 05:49:51,920
priorities, I want to know how much they

7755
05:49:51,920 --> 05:49:53,920
actually count to determining who

7756
05:49:53,920 --> 05:49:56,400
receives the dollars. And so I I'm not

7757
05:49:56,400 --> 05:49:58,878
looking for to delay this process

7758
05:49:58,878 --> 05:50:00,878
unnecessarily. I just want to make sure

7759
05:50:00,878 --> 05:50:03,040
that we get it right. And so if we can

7760
05:50:03,040 --> 05:50:04,558
address those issues tonight, then

7761
05:50:04,558 --> 05:50:07,120
awesome. If not, I' I'd rather give a

7762
05:50:07,120 --> 05:50:09,680
little bit more time um so we can answer

7763
05:50:09,680 --> 05:50:12,638
these questions and maybe

7764
05:50:12,638 --> 05:50:14,638
noodle it a little more to so we get

7765
05:50:14,638 --> 05:50:16,718
some of these answers. my my

7766
05:50:16,718 --> 05:50:19,600
recommendation.

7767
05:50:19,600 --> 05:50:21,440
>> Thank you, Council Member Mangon.

7768
05:50:21,440 --> 05:50:22,958
>> Thank you, Madam Mayor. Um, yeah, I just

7769
05:50:22,958 --> 05:50:25,600
wanted one last comment on, you know, to

7770
05:50:25,600 --> 05:50:27,120
date applicants have been limited to one

7771
05:50:27,120 --> 05:50:29,440
category per cycle. I understand that

7772
05:50:29,440 --> 05:50:32,000
the comments made by uh, Deputy Mayor

7773
05:50:32,000 --> 05:50:34,958
and also Council Member Duran, but the

7774
05:50:34,958 --> 05:50:37,440
majority of this funding is received by

7775
05:50:37,440 --> 05:50:39,840
a small group of organizations, the vast

7776
05:50:39,840 --> 05:50:42,558
majority of funding. So, I I have real

7777
05:50:42,558 --> 05:50:44,480
concern with potentially granting them

7778
05:50:44,480 --> 05:50:47,680
an up to an additional $20,000 the same

7779
05:50:47,680 --> 05:50:49,280
organizations.

7780
05:50:49,280 --> 05:50:53,200
Um, uh, that that concerns me. So, uh,

7781
05:50:53,200 --> 05:50:55,120
it's it would be really important to me

7782
05:50:55,120 --> 05:50:57,680
to keep to that one category limitation.

7783
05:50:57,680 --> 05:50:59,280
I think that's really important and I

7784
05:50:59,280 --> 05:51:00,958
agree with staff's reasoning behind

7785
05:51:00,958 --> 05:51:03,360
that.

7786
05:51:03,360 --> 05:51:05,200
>> Thank you, Deputy Mayor Halter. Followed

7787
05:51:05,200 --> 05:51:06,958
by um, Council Member Mcrenolds.

7788
05:51:06,958 --> 05:51:08,878
Overall, I agree with a lot of what my

7789
05:51:08,878 --> 05:51:10,400
colleagues are saying and all the good

7790
05:51:10,400 --> 05:51:16,080
work that you've done. Okay. Uh it's largely there. Uh the exceptions I

7791
05:51:16,080 --> 05:51:20,320
have that I would uh love to see it um

7792
05:51:20,320 --> 05:51:23,920
if this was approved yet pending

7793
05:51:23,920 --> 05:51:27,680
reviewing um uh how we're going to be

7794
05:51:27,680 --> 05:51:31,280
scoring to influence economic vitality

7795
05:51:31,280 --> 05:51:35,840
in the cultural district and seeing how that's going to be scored. Um

7796
05:51:35,840 --> 05:51:38,000
because I think right now I'm just it's

7797
05:51:38,000 --> 05:51:39,760
a hope and a prayer that we're going to

7798
05:51:39,760 --> 05:51:41,200
do something that's going to benefit the

7799
05:51:41,200 --> 05:51:45,040
cultural district. Um and uh then the

7800
05:51:45,040 --> 05:51:47,920
definition the cultural arts uh I think

7801
05:51:47,920 --> 05:51:50,080
I I would personally feel better when we

7802
05:51:50,080 --> 05:51:51,920
leave here tonight that at least that

7803
05:51:51,920 --> 05:51:53,600
definition comes back to council for us

7804
05:51:53,600 --> 05:51:56,080
to at least see how you've included all

7805
05:51:56,080 --> 05:51:59,200
the things that we just discussed. And

7806
05:51:59,200 --> 05:52:02,878
um let's see. Uh, one other thing is I

7807
05:52:02,878 --> 05:52:05,840
think part of it that I don't see yet,

7808
05:52:05,840 --> 05:52:07,440
but it could be part of the scoring too,

7809
05:52:07,440 --> 05:52:11,840
is um partnering uh with uh groups that

7810
05:52:11,840 --> 05:52:13,760
maybe aren't in whether they're art

7811
05:52:13,760 --> 05:52:15,760
groups or cultural groups, groups that

7812
05:52:15,760 --> 05:52:17,760
are anywhere in our city and partnering

7813
05:52:17,760 --> 05:52:20,000
with those groups uh whether it's in the

7814
05:52:20,000 --> 05:52:21,920
cultural district or elsewhere, but uh

7815
05:52:21,920 --> 05:52:25,760
to create a bigger um showcase of who we

7816
05:52:25,760 --> 05:52:27,840
are as a city and what our culture is in

7817
05:52:27,840 --> 05:52:30,480
the creative community, you know. Um, I

7818
05:52:30,480 --> 05:52:32,080
don't I did I didn't hear the word

7819
05:52:32,080 --> 05:52:34,000
partnership come up at all and that's

7820
05:52:34,000 --> 05:52:36,240
really important to me. Um, but

7821
05:52:36,240 --> 05:52:38,320
definitely uh if we approve something

7822
05:52:38,320 --> 05:52:40,638
tonight then I would want to still see

7823
05:52:40,638 --> 05:52:42,558
the definition come back and how we're

7824
05:52:42,558 --> 05:52:44,400
going to score it and make sure we

7825
05:52:44,400 --> 05:52:46,558
benefit the cultural district with these

7826
05:52:46,558 --> 05:52:48,958
efforts.

7827
05:52:48,958 --> 05:52:50,558
>> Thank you. Council member Mc Reynolds

7828
05:52:50,558 --> 05:52:52,160
followed by Council Member Schumacher.

7829
05:52:52,160 --> 05:52:54,480
>> Thank you, Madam Mayor. Uh, was there a

7830
05:52:54,480 --> 05:52:56,400
second to Council Member Schumacher's

7831
05:52:56,400 --> 05:52:56,958
motion?

7832
05:52:56,958 --> 05:52:58,240
>> I believe there was. Council member

7833
05:52:58,240 --> 05:53:01,280
Compos. Okay. So,

7834
05:53:01,280 --> 05:53:03,440
I I'm I'm ready to take the vote on it.

7835
05:53:03,440 --> 05:53:05,440
And and in terms of the concerns raised

7836
05:53:05,440 --> 05:53:07,280
by Council Member Duran and Deputy Mayor

7837
05:53:07,280 --> 05:53:09,600
Halter, we have an economic development

7838
05:53:09,600 --> 05:53:11,600
subcommittee. If they want to refer the

7839
05:53:11,600 --> 05:53:13,200
scoring matrix or something like that to

7840
05:53:13,200 --> 05:53:15,360
that committee to have that discussion

7841
05:53:15,360 --> 05:53:18,958
so we can move on. I I would be okay

7842
05:53:18,958 --> 05:53:23,120
with that. I I'm more we we heard from

7843
05:53:23,120 --> 05:53:25,520
every member of our cultural uh arts and

7844
05:53:25,520 --> 05:53:26,878
culture commission. They're ready to

7845
05:53:26,878 --> 05:53:28,480
move forward as presented. I'm ready to

7846
05:53:28,480 --> 05:53:30,400
move forward as presented, but if you

7847
05:53:30,400 --> 05:53:32,718
want to move, you know, and I'm I'm

7848
05:53:32,718 --> 05:53:35,120
ready to vote on it as presented, but if

7849
05:53:35,120 --> 05:53:36,240
you want to bring it to the Arts and

7850
05:53:36,240 --> 05:53:38,160
Culture Commission, I'm sorry, if you

7851
05:53:38,160 --> 05:53:39,120
want to bring it to the Economic

7852
05:53:39,120 --> 05:53:41,200
Development Subcommittee maybe for some

7853
05:53:41,200 --> 05:53:43,120
consideration, I'd be open to that, but

7854
05:53:43,120 --> 05:53:44,878
otherwise, I'm ready to vote.

7855
05:53:44,878 --> 05:53:46,558
>> Thank you, Council Member Schumacher.

7856
05:53:46,558 --> 05:53:48,320
>> Very quickly, and I I am too, uh,

7857
05:53:48,320 --> 05:53:49,840
Council Member Mcynolds. Thank you for

7858
05:53:49,840 --> 05:53:51,520
that. Um, and I agree with you. I think

7859
05:53:51,520 --> 05:53:53,600
it it needs to move forward and then,

7860
05:53:53,600 --> 05:53:55,360
you know, do its due diligence of

7861
05:53:55,360 --> 05:53:58,160
wherever it goes. And we have to be

7862
05:53:58,160 --> 05:54:01,840
careful of not overstepping our roles.

7863
05:54:01,840 --> 05:54:04,080
We are the ones that provide our vision,

7864
05:54:04,080 --> 05:54:06,638
our direction, but we cannot be in the

7865
05:54:06,638 --> 05:54:10,558
weeds of looking at um you know certain

7866
05:54:10,558 --> 05:54:13,520
um you know uh scorecards so that way we

7867
05:54:13,520 --> 05:54:15,920
dictate exactly where it needs. No,

7868
05:54:15,920 --> 05:54:18,000
that's not our role. Our role is to let

7869
05:54:18,000 --> 05:54:20,320
staff do their work. our role is to tell

7870
05:54:20,320 --> 05:54:28,558
them this is what we're looking for and we allow staff to be able to do the logistics. We cannot be um you know

7871
05:54:28,558 --> 05:54:30,558
doing their jobs as well and because

7872
05:54:30,558 --> 05:54:32,798
that is that is not what council is here

7873
05:54:32,798 --> 05:54:35,120
for.

7874
05:54:35,120 --> 05:54:36,718
>> Uh Deputy Mayor Halter,

7875
05:54:36,718 --> 05:54:38,798
>> I'm afraid there's a misunderstanding

7876
05:54:38,798 --> 05:54:40,798
because the reality is if it was

7877
05:54:40,798 --> 05:54:44,480
included in this plan on how uh the

7878
05:54:44,480 --> 05:54:46,160
cultural arts plan because this is

7879
05:54:46,160 --> 05:54:47,200
something that's going to last for five

7880
05:54:47,200 --> 05:54:50,400
years. Okay. So if it doesn't include

7881
05:54:50,400 --> 05:54:52,558
something that benefits the assets that

7882
05:54:52,558 --> 05:54:54,958
we have created over the last 30 to 50

7883
05:54:54,958 --> 05:54:57,360
plus years, then we're really missing

7884
05:54:57,360 --> 05:55:00,878
the boat. Okay? And I do not see any

7885
05:55:00,878 --> 05:55:02,798
type of weighing. I don't care about the

7886
05:55:02,798 --> 05:55:05,440
scorecard. I don't care. I totally leave

7887
05:55:05,440 --> 05:55:09,200
that up to what uh staff and the co uh

7888
05:55:09,200 --> 05:55:11,840
cultural commission wants to do. Um, but

7889
05:55:11,840 --> 05:55:14,080
then I want it written in there somehow

7890
05:55:14,080 --> 05:55:17,360
that it will be it will include uh how

7891
05:55:17,360 --> 05:55:19,680
we benefit the cultural district and the

7892
05:55:19,680 --> 05:55:21,440
in the great assets that have been

7893
05:55:21,440 --> 05:55:23,520
created that have defined the culture uh

7894
05:55:23,520 --> 05:55:25,680
the culture of this community for many

7895
05:55:25,680 --> 05:55:28,718
decades. Otherwise, we're completely

7896
05:55:28,718 --> 05:55:31,680
ignoring the assets that we have and um

7897
05:55:31,680 --> 05:55:34,240
under the guise of trying to help the

7898
05:55:34,240 --> 05:55:36,638
fledgling and new arts groups that will

7899
05:55:36,638 --> 05:55:39,520
continue to rise up. I hope that uh and

7900
05:55:39,520 --> 05:55:42,718
gain support and education

7901
05:55:42,718 --> 05:55:44,480
uh being involved with all the all the

7902
05:55:44,480 --> 05:55:46,400
groups that are so successful today.

7903
05:55:46,400 --> 05:55:48,240
Okay. So, that's what I'm getting at.

7904
05:55:48,240 --> 05:55:51,120
So, as is the motion, I can't support it

7905
05:55:51,120 --> 05:55:54,320
without something being included that uh

7906
05:55:54,320 --> 05:55:56,400
to to address those two things. I don't

7907
05:55:56,400 --> 05:55:58,320
care how you how it's written. It could

7908
05:55:58,320 --> 05:55:59,920
go back to the economic development

7909
05:55:59,920 --> 05:56:02,240
committee, but I think to walk out of

7910
05:56:02,240 --> 05:56:04,480
this room without that, it's going to be

7911
05:56:04,480 --> 05:56:06,480
a big mistake. So maybe we can include

7912
05:56:06,480 --> 05:56:08,320
that as part of the motion. I don't

7913
05:56:08,320 --> 05:56:09,840
know. Something to think about before I

7914
05:56:09,840 --> 05:56:12,320
move on to the next um council member.

7915
05:56:12,320 --> 05:56:14,798
>> That would be my recommendation.

7916
05:56:14,798 --> 05:56:16,878
I don't think it's needed.

7917
05:56:16,878 --> 05:56:18,718
>> Thank you, Madam Mayor. Um and I just

7918
05:56:18,718 --> 05:56:20,558
want to clarify too uh council member

7919
05:56:20,558 --> 05:56:22,480
Schumacher. I I don't think it we're

7920
05:56:22,480 --> 05:56:24,638
trying to um I don't think we're trying

7921
05:56:24,638 --> 05:56:26,638
to micromanage this thing, but usually

7922
05:56:26,638 --> 05:56:28,958
when we get grants that we approve or

7923
05:56:28,958 --> 05:56:32,718
how they rate them and stuff, we we see how they do it. That's all we're

7924
05:56:32,718 --> 05:56:34,080
asking. We didn't we didn't get to see

7925
05:56:34,080 --> 05:56:36,480
it in that that was the the concern I

7926
05:56:36,480 --> 05:56:37,760
had.

7927
05:56:37,760 --> 05:56:40,558
>> Thank you. Um Miss Fox, do you want to

7928
05:56:40,558 --> 05:56:41,440
chime in?

7929
05:56:41,440 --> 05:56:44,558
>> Yes, if I may. Um connected to tonight's

7930
05:56:44,558 --> 05:56:46,718
motion, the intent was to be able to set

7931
05:56:46,718 --> 05:56:48,558
kind of the policy and the overarching

7932
05:56:48,558 --> 05:56:50,480
direction. We've taken notes on

7933
05:56:50,480 --> 05:56:52,240
everything that's been shared. So, when

7934
05:56:52,240 --> 05:56:54,320
it comes to the guidelines, when it

7935
05:56:54,320 --> 05:56:56,958
comes to uh the meetings we have with

7936
05:56:56,958 --> 05:56:58,558
eligible applicants, those are the

7937
05:56:58,558 --> 05:56:59,920
things that we can make sure that we

7938
05:56:59,920 --> 05:57:02,320
reinforce and encourage. One of the

7939
05:57:02,320 --> 05:57:05,600
goals um in the arts and culture grant

7940
05:57:05,600 --> 05:57:08,638
program or the cultural arts arts and

7941
05:57:08,638 --> 05:57:10,480
culture grant categories making sure we

7942
05:57:10,480 --> 05:57:14,000
specify it's all is specifically align

7943
05:57:14,000 --> 05:57:15,520
arts and culture with economic

7944
05:57:15,520 --> 05:57:18,000
development and cultural tourism. So I

7945
05:57:18,000 --> 05:57:19,520
think there's also the opportunity to

7946
05:57:19,520 --> 05:57:21,120
share when we talk about cultural

7947
05:57:21,120 --> 05:57:24,400
tourism um about where cultural tourism

7948
05:57:24,400 --> 05:57:26,558
occurs in Ventura reinforcing the

7949
05:57:26,558 --> 05:57:29,120
cultural district as well. So we really

7950
05:57:29,120 --> 05:57:30,638
have appreciated all the input and

7951
05:57:30,638 --> 05:57:32,400
everything shared this evening and we'll

7952
05:57:32,400 --> 05:57:34,160
ensure that within the policy document

7953
05:57:34,160 --> 05:57:36,480
in our implementation when we work with

7954
05:57:36,480 --> 05:57:38,480
the economic development division and

7955
05:57:38,480 --> 05:57:41,120
when we finalize the scoring rubrics as

7956
05:57:41,120 --> 05:57:43,200
well as the guidelines that we'll ensure

7957
05:57:43,200 --> 05:57:45,920
they get incorporated.

7958
05:57:45,920 --> 05:57:47,440
Thank you. Council member Compost, did

7959
05:57:47,440 --> 05:57:48,480
you still have a comment?

7960
05:57:48,480 --> 05:57:50,320
>> I'd like to call the question.

7961
05:57:50,320 --> 05:57:53,120
>> Thank you. So we have a motion and a

7962
05:57:53,120 --> 05:57:57,030
second.

7963
05:57:57,040 --> 05:57:58,320
Thank you, mayor. Could I just have a

7964
05:57:58,320 --> 05:58:00,080
point of clarification on the second

7965
05:58:00,080 --> 05:58:03,280
piece of it for the category 2? So, the

7966
05:58:03,280 --> 05:58:04,480
motion was to approve the staff

7967
05:58:04,480 --> 05:58:07,440
recommendation and to rename category 2

7968
05:58:07,440 --> 05:58:10,718
>> to culture projects Thank you. Thank

7969
05:58:10,718 --> 05:58:15,030
you.

7970
05:58:15,040 --> 05:58:17,040
Okay, you can go ahead and enter your

7971
05:58:17,040 --> 05:58:23,510
vote now.

7972
05:58:23,520 --> 05:58:27,750
All votes have been entered.

7973
05:58:27,760 --> 05:58:30,320
» Seven eyes and the motion carries.

7974
05:58:30,320 --> 05:58:31,920
>> Thank you. Thank you, staff. Again,

7975
05:58:31,920 --> 05:58:33,760
really appreciate it. Please hold your

7976
05:58:33,760 --> 05:58:35,600
applause. Please hold your applause.

7977
05:58:35,600 --> 05:58:37,520
Thank you.

7978
05:58:37,520 --> 05:58:40,798
We'll move on quickly to our formal item

7979
05:58:40,798 --> 05:58:43,600
number 15. Um the construction contract

7980
05:58:43,600 --> 05:58:46,000
with AMG and Associates, Inc.

7981
05:58:46,000 --> 05:58:47,520
Professional Services Agreement

7982
05:58:47,520 --> 05:58:51,270
PW26-1221

7983
05:58:51,280 --> 05:58:53,360
with Kitro Corporation for Construction

7984
05:58:53,360 --> 05:58:55,360
Management and Inspection Services and

7985
05:58:55,360 --> 05:58:57,280
Professional Services Agreement

7986
05:58:57,280 --> 05:59:00,548
PW26-1227

7987
05:59:00,558 --> 05:59:03,360
with RRM Design Group for engineering

7988
05:59:03,360 --> 05:59:05,280
services during construction for interim

7989
05:59:05,280 --> 05:59:10,160
fire station number 7. And we have um

7990
05:59:10,160 --> 05:59:15,030
a staff presentation

7991
05:59:15,040 --> 05:59:17,600
» whenever you are ready

7992
05:59:17,600 --> 06:00:01,510
like midnight.

7993
06:00:01,520 --> 06:00:03,440
You okay?

7994
06:00:03,440 --> 06:00:06,868
>> You can go ahead.

7995
06:00:06,878 --> 06:00:08,798
Uh good evening again, mayor, members of

7996
06:00:08,798 --> 06:00:11,040
city council. Uh I am Charlie Ebling,

7997
06:00:11,040 --> 06:00:13,920
the public works public works director.

7998
06:00:13,920 --> 06:00:15,680
Uh tonight we will give a short

7999
06:00:15,680 --> 06:00:18,320
presentation recommending the award of a

8000
06:00:18,320 --> 06:00:20,480
construction contract for fire station

8001
06:00:20,480 --> 06:00:23,920
7. I have with me uh Chris McDonald, our

8002
06:00:23,920 --> 06:00:26,718
fire chief, and Greg Nudson, our

8003
06:00:26,718 --> 06:00:28,798
principal civil engineer. I will now

8004
06:00:28,798 --> 06:00:31,520
turn it over to Mr. Nudson uh to give

8005
06:00:31,520 --> 06:00:33,440
the presentation and we will be happy to

8006
06:00:33,440 --> 06:00:34,958
answer any questions you have at the

8007
06:00:34,958 --> 06:00:38,628
end.

8008
06:00:38,638 --> 06:00:40,000
» Good evening, honorable mayor and

8009
06:00:40,000 --> 06:00:41,920
council. We're before you tonight to

8010
06:00:41,920 --> 06:00:43,840
discuss the interim fire station number

8011
06:00:43,840 --> 06:00:46,878
seven project, including project bids

8012
06:00:46,878 --> 06:00:49,280
and authorization of a construction

8013
06:00:49,280 --> 06:00:51,920
contract.

8014
06:00:51,920 --> 06:00:54,080
The proposed project is located on a

8015
06:00:54,080 --> 06:00:56,958
2.92 acre city-owned parcel on

8016
06:00:56,958 --> 06:01:00,320
Alessandro Drive at Seawward Avenue.

8017
06:01:00,320 --> 06:01:02,000
The site is located adjacent to the

8018
06:01:02,000 --> 06:01:03,840
Peront neighborhood and close to the

8019
06:01:03,840 --> 06:01:06,240
Ventura Harbor, Midtown and downtown

8020
06:01:06,240 --> 06:01:10,000
areas. Approximately 1.5 acres of the

8021
06:01:10,000 --> 06:01:12,000
site would be programmed for the new

8022
06:01:12,000 --> 06:01:14,400
intram fire station number seven and

8023
06:01:14,400 --> 06:01:16,958
approximately 1 acre would remain for

8024
06:01:16,958 --> 06:01:22,150
the fire training center.

8025
06:01:22,160 --> 06:01:24,638
The Alesandro property operated as a

8026
06:01:24,638 --> 06:01:26,320
water conditioning facility from the

8027
06:01:26,320 --> 06:01:30,080
1950s to the 1970s and has been used as

8028
06:01:30,080 --> 06:01:32,400
the city's fire training center since

8029
06:01:32,400 --> 06:01:34,400
the 1980s.

8030
06:01:34,400 --> 06:01:36,798
In December of 2023,

8031
06:01:36,798 --> 06:01:38,480
city council approved the addition of

8032
06:01:38,480 --> 06:01:40,320
the interim fire station number seven

8033
06:01:40,320 --> 06:01:42,320
project to the capital improvement

8034
06:01:42,320 --> 06:01:44,400
program.

8035
06:01:44,400 --> 06:01:46,638
Abandoned water infrastructure removal

8036
06:01:46,638 --> 06:01:49,760
was completed in December of 2024 and

8037
06:01:49,760 --> 06:01:51,520
city council approved the purchase of

8038
06:01:51,520 --> 06:01:54,000
three modular buildings that would be

8039
06:01:54,000 --> 06:01:56,878
deployed for the interim fire station in

8040
06:01:56,878 --> 06:02:02,948
January and May of 2025.

8041
06:02:02,958 --> 06:02:05,360
The scope of work in the contract

8042
06:02:05,360 --> 06:02:07,040
proposed for council award and

8043
06:02:07,040 --> 06:02:10,240
authorization this evening includes site

8044
06:02:10,240 --> 06:02:13,600
clearing and demolition of 1.5 acres of

8045
06:02:13,600 --> 06:02:16,878
existing paved and landscaped areas.

8046
06:02:16,878 --> 06:02:19,440
The mitigation of liquefaction and

8047
06:02:19,440 --> 06:02:22,400
localized flooding by excavating the

8048
06:02:22,400 --> 06:02:26,080
site 8 to 10 feet below existing grade

8049
06:02:26,080 --> 06:02:28,400
using aggregate and soil as engineered

8050
06:02:28,400 --> 06:02:31,120
fill and elevating the site by up to six

8051
06:02:31,120 --> 06:02:33,280
feet.

8052
06:02:33,280 --> 06:02:36,320
Construct site utility infrastructure.

8053
06:02:36,320 --> 06:02:38,480
construct concrete building foundations

8054
06:02:38,480 --> 06:02:41,680
for each building and coord coordinating

8055
06:02:41,680 --> 06:02:44,000
with the building vendors for the

8056
06:02:44,000 --> 06:02:45,600
delivery and installation of the

8057
06:02:45,600 --> 06:02:48,878
buildings that have been purchased.

8058
06:02:48,878 --> 06:02:51,440
Following building installation,

8059
06:02:51,440 --> 06:02:54,080
concrete aprons, pavement, curbs, and

8060
06:02:54,080 --> 06:02:56,320
retaining walls would be constructed.

8061
06:02:56,320 --> 06:02:58,320
Bio retention basin and perimeter

8062
06:02:58,320 --> 06:03:00,958
fencing would also be constructed.

8063
06:03:00,958 --> 06:03:03,040
And then the upfit of the interior of

8064
06:03:03,040 --> 06:03:05,680
the apparatus bay with electrical, fire

8065
06:03:05,680 --> 06:03:07,520
sprinklers, plumbing and mechanical

8066
06:03:07,520 --> 06:03:10,160
systems would occur on site. And upfit

8067
06:03:10,160 --> 06:03:12,160
of the apparatus bay and the modular

8068
06:03:12,160 --> 06:03:14,320
living quarters with data

8069
06:03:14,320 --> 06:03:16,480
communications, fire alarm and digital

8070
06:03:16,480 --> 06:03:19,680
dispatch would be occurring to complete

8071
06:03:19,680 --> 06:03:24,310
the project.

8072
06:03:24,320 --> 06:03:26,480
will require the removal of

8073
06:03:26,480 --> 06:03:29,440
15 trees to complete the grading and

8074
06:03:29,440 --> 06:03:31,760
site improvements and the proposed tree

8075
06:03:31,760 --> 06:03:35,440
replanting ratio is 3:1. Canopy [snorts]

8076
06:03:35,440 --> 06:03:37,280
concerns limit the feasibility of

8077
06:03:37,280 --> 06:03:41,120
on-site tree replacement. Trees tree

8078
06:03:41,120 --> 06:03:42,878
replanting would be within council

8079
06:03:42,878 --> 06:03:45,360
district 7 at sites determined by the

8080
06:03:45,360 --> 06:03:50,788
parks and recreation department.

8081
06:03:50,798 --> 06:03:54,240
On June 25th, 2025, staff received and

8082
06:03:54,240 --> 06:03:56,718
opened two bids. The lowest responsible

8083
06:03:56,718 --> 06:03:59,440
and responsive bid was submitted by AMG

8084
06:03:59,440 --> 06:04:01,680
and Associates Incorporated of Santa

8085
06:04:01,680 --> 06:04:05,600
Clarita and is $6.5 million.

8086
06:04:05,600 --> 06:04:07,600
This is 10% above the engineers's

8087
06:04:07,600 --> 06:04:11,040
estimate of $5.9 million. The low bid is

8088
06:04:11,040 --> 06:04:13,040
consistent with current construction

8089
06:04:13,040 --> 06:04:17,910
market conditions.

8090
06:04:17,920 --> 06:04:20,958
Proposed cost and funding for the

8091
06:04:20,958 --> 06:04:23,040
recommendation are summarized in the

8092
06:04:23,040 --> 06:04:25,520
tables included on this slide. We have a

8093
06:04:25,520 --> 06:04:28,160
construction bid of $6.5 million, a

8094
06:04:28,160 --> 06:04:33,750
construction contingency of $987,000.

8095
06:04:33,760 --> 06:04:37,840
Construction management $684,000.

8096
06:04:37,840 --> 06:04:40,080
Engineering services during construction

8097
06:04:40,080 --> 06:04:42,320
$95,000

8098
06:04:42,320 --> 06:04:46,638
and public art $25,000 totaling for $8.3

8099
06:04:46,638 --> 06:04:48,798
million.

8100
06:04:48,798 --> 06:04:51,360
These costs are proposed to be provided

8101
06:04:51,360 --> 06:04:53,040
through the following fund sources.

8102
06:04:53,040 --> 06:04:55,280
General capital improvement 1.5 million

8103
06:04:55,280 --> 06:05:03,830
and measure O $6.8 million.

8104
06:05:03,840 --> 06:05:05,680
Following the award and authorization

8105
06:05:05,680 --> 06:05:08,638
tonight, notice to proceed would be

8106
06:05:08,638 --> 06:05:11,040
issued in the fall and the project would

8107
06:05:11,040 --> 06:05:14,480
require 13 to 15 months to complete.

8108
06:05:14,480 --> 06:05:16,718
Occupancy is anticipated in the winter

8109
06:05:16,718 --> 06:05:22,948
of 2027.

8110
06:05:22,958 --> 06:05:24,798
The recommendation supports the city

8111
06:05:24,798 --> 06:05:26,638
council's strategic priority of public

8112
06:05:26,638 --> 06:05:28,958
safety to ensure that life, property,

8113
06:05:28,958 --> 06:05:30,718
and the environment are protected and

8114
06:05:30,718 --> 06:05:32,240
safeguarded

8115
06:05:32,240 --> 06:05:34,000
with an emphasis on emergency

8116
06:05:34,000 --> 06:05:36,638
preparedness to respond to both natural

8117
06:05:36,638 --> 06:05:39,040
and man-made disasters or any other type

8118
06:05:39,040 --> 06:05:44,230
of emergency situations.

8119
06:05:44,240 --> 06:05:45,440
And on the screen are the

8120
06:05:45,440 --> 06:05:46,958
recommendations.

8121
06:05:46,958 --> 06:05:48,958
We recommend to wave minor bidder

8122
06:05:48,958 --> 06:05:51,120
regularities, authorize a city manager

8123
06:05:51,120 --> 06:05:52,718
to execute the subject construction

8124
06:05:52,718 --> 06:05:54,638
agreement with the lowest responsive and

8125
06:05:54,638 --> 06:05:57,280
responsible bidder AMG and Associates in

8126
06:05:57,280 --> 06:06:03,110
their low bid amount of $6,586,128.

8127
06:06:03,120 --> 06:06:05,360
Authorize the city manager or designate

8128
06:06:05,360 --> 06:06:07,600
to execute future amendments to subject

8129
06:06:07,600 --> 06:06:09,840
construction contract up to a total

8130
06:06:09,840 --> 06:06:15,830
maximum contingency of $987,919.

8131
06:06:15,840 --> 06:06:18,000
authorized the city manager designignate

8132
06:06:18,000 --> 06:06:19,680
to execute professional services

8133
06:06:19,680 --> 06:06:22,160
agreement with Kitell Corporation for

8134
06:06:22,160 --> 06:06:23,920
construction management inspection

8135
06:06:23,920 --> 06:06:28,868
services in the amount of $622,47.

8136
06:06:28,878 --> 06:06:31,440
Authorize the city manager to execute

8137
06:06:31,440 --> 06:06:32,878
future amendments to professional

8138
06:06:32,878 --> 06:06:34,240
services agreement with Kitell

8139
06:06:34,240 --> 06:06:36,320
Corporation to a maximum contingency of

8140
06:06:36,320 --> 06:06:41,750
$62,25.

8141
06:06:41,760 --> 06:06:43,760
Authorize the city manager or designate

8142
06:06:43,760 --> 06:06:45,200
to execute professional services

8143
06:06:45,200 --> 06:06:47,360
agreement with RM Design Group for

8144
06:06:47,360 --> 06:06:49,280
engineering services during construction

8145
06:06:49,280 --> 06:06:52,718
in the amount of $86,710.

8146
06:06:52,718 --> 06:06:54,558
Authorize the city manager or designate

8147
06:06:54,558 --> 06:06:56,878
to execute future amendments to

8148
06:06:56,878 --> 06:06:58,638
professional services agreement with RM

8149
06:06:58,638 --> 06:07:00,718
Design Group to a maximum contingency of

8150
06:07:00,718 --> 06:07:03,040
$8,671

8151
06:07:03,040 --> 06:07:05,120
and authorize the finance department to

8152
06:07:05,120 --> 06:07:07,120
increase appropriations as necessary in

8153
06:07:07,120 --> 06:07:09,600
the measure O fund.

8154
06:07:09,600 --> 06:07:11,360
This concludes our presentation tonight.

8155
06:07:11,360 --> 06:07:12,798
We're available for any questions you

8156
06:07:12,798 --> 06:07:13,760
have.

8157
06:07:13,760 --> 06:07:15,040
>> Thank you, uh, Council Member

8158
06:07:15,040 --> 06:07:18,628
Schemacher.

8159
06:07:18,638 --> 06:07:20,558
» Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, staff, for

8160
06:07:20,558 --> 06:07:24,080
your presentation. Mr. Nudson, um, I

8161
06:07:24,080 --> 06:07:27,600
understand that the the cost is $8.3

8162
06:07:27,600 --> 06:07:30,878
million. So, help me understand the on

8163
06:07:30,878 --> 06:07:33,600
your staff report it says 12.9. Is that

8164
06:07:33,600 --> 06:07:36,868
just estimated?

8165
06:07:36,878 --> 06:07:39,920
The presentation before you tonight

8166
06:07:39,920 --> 06:07:41,920
shows the costs of the recommendations

8167
06:07:41,920 --> 06:07:44,160
being made tonight and what what council

8168
06:07:44,160 --> 06:07:47,200
is obligating in tonight's actions. Um

8169
06:07:47,200 --> 06:07:49,280
the estimate in the staff report

8170
06:07:49,280 --> 06:07:51,840
includes uh previous costs for things

8171
06:07:51,840 --> 06:07:53,520
such as the building, the site

8172
06:07:53,520 --> 06:07:56,798
demolition and engineering services,

8173
06:07:56,798 --> 06:07:58,718
architectural services and such.

8174
06:07:58,718 --> 06:08:02,480
>> Okay. Thank you. And then Mr.

8175
06:08:02,480 --> 06:08:05,440
Um,

8176
06:08:05,440 --> 06:08:08,080
Chief McDonald, this goes to you. Um,

8177
06:08:08,080 --> 06:08:10,080
remind us one more time the need as to

8178
06:08:10,080 --> 06:08:12,638
why we want um or we are looking to

8179
06:08:12,638 --> 06:08:14,958
build this out in that area.

8180
06:08:14,958 --> 06:08:17,120
>> Yeah, so the opening of fire station 7

8181
06:08:17,120 --> 06:08:19,520
will allow us to better serve the pure

8182
06:08:19,520 --> 06:08:22,480
pont harbor areas. Um the harbor area

8183
06:08:22,480 --> 06:08:24,320
specifically in the river haven area

8184
06:08:24,320 --> 06:08:26,320
that's identified as some of our longest

8185
06:08:26,320 --> 06:08:29,200
response times on average. Um, fire

8186
06:08:29,200 --> 06:08:31,520
station 7 has been, you know, 30 years

8187
06:08:31,520 --> 06:08:33,600
in the making basically at that location

8188
06:08:33,600 --> 06:08:35,680
to to serve those people better.

8189
06:08:35,680 --> 06:08:37,200
>> When you say the longest, can you tell

8190
06:08:37,200 --> 06:08:39,680
me like an estimated time frame?

8191
06:08:39,680 --> 06:08:42,240
>> Our our target response times are, you

8192
06:08:42,240 --> 06:08:44,080
know, in the five minute range, but uh

8193
06:08:44,080 --> 06:08:45,680
down there we're looking at sometimes

8194
06:08:45,680 --> 06:08:47,120
seven and eight minutes

8195
06:08:47,120 --> 06:08:50,160
>> from station two, station five, and

8196
06:08:50,160 --> 06:08:53,120
that's just travel distance and the

8197
06:08:53,120 --> 06:08:54,798
layout of the city makes that pretty

8198
06:08:54,798 --> 06:08:55,520
difficult.

8199
06:08:55,520 --> 06:08:57,600
>> Thank you.

8200
06:08:57,600 --> 06:08:59,280
Deputy Mayor Halter, followed

8201
06:08:59,280 --> 06:09:00,638
by Council Member Mc Reynolds.

8202
06:09:00,638 --> 06:09:02,878
>> Great. Thank you. Um, just to see where

8203
06:09:02,878 --> 06:09:04,638
we're at today is do we do we have

8204
06:09:04,638 --> 06:09:06,798
working drawings already then and do we

8205
06:09:06,798 --> 06:09:10,400
have a permit already?

8206
06:09:10,400 --> 06:09:12,400
>> As of right now, we have working

8207
06:09:12,400 --> 06:09:15,040
drawings that have been uh advertised

8208
06:09:15,040 --> 06:09:17,360
for bids and the bids bids were based

8209
06:09:17,360 --> 06:09:18,878
upon those drawings. Okay.

8210
06:09:18,878 --> 06:09:20,480
>> They've been approved by the city

8211
06:09:20,480 --> 06:09:22,638
engineer. We are in the process of

8212
06:09:22,638 --> 06:09:25,440
finaling our building and safety permits

8213
06:09:25,440 --> 06:09:27,280
and our grading permit. There's some

8214
06:09:27,280 --> 06:09:29,520
minor details and correction items that

8215
06:09:29,520 --> 06:09:32,958
still remain to achieve those. We have

8216
06:09:32,958 --> 06:09:36,558
also need to um complete uh house state

8217
06:09:36,558 --> 06:09:38,798
housing community development permitting

8218
06:09:38,798 --> 06:09:40,480
for the modular units and that's one of

8219
06:09:40,480 --> 06:09:41,760
the conditions on our building and

8220
06:09:41,760 --> 06:09:43,280
safety permit locally.

8221
06:09:43,280 --> 06:09:45,840
>> Okay. And uh two things because I was

8222
06:09:45,840 --> 06:09:48,160
here when we approved that site and

8223
06:09:48,160 --> 06:09:49,920
initially the 7 million that we thought

8224
06:09:49,920 --> 06:09:51,600
it was going to cost. So, it went it's

8225
06:09:51,600 --> 06:09:54,160
almost doubled since that point in time.

8226
06:09:54,160 --> 06:09:57,040
Uh, and initially it was looked at as a

8227
06:09:57,040 --> 06:09:58,958
temporary location. I don't think that's

8228
06:09:58,958 --> 06:10:00,320
how we're looking at it anymore.

8229
06:10:00,320 --> 06:10:02,958
Correct.

8230
06:10:02,958 --> 06:10:05,360
>> It's it's an interimm fire station, but

8231
06:10:05,360 --> 06:10:07,840
the location so far is the best one that

8232
06:10:07,840 --> 06:10:10,000
we've identified that's available to us

8233
06:10:10,000 --> 06:10:12,160
to put a station. in the future that

8234
06:10:12,160 --> 06:10:13,520
could change,

8235
06:10:13,520 --> 06:10:15,520
>> but right now that seem that's still the

8236
06:10:15,520 --> 06:10:16,320
best location that

8237
06:10:16,320 --> 06:10:18,958
>> I would say over the last few years that

8238
06:10:18,958 --> 06:10:20,638
it's becoming clearer and clearer.

8239
06:10:20,638 --> 06:10:21,280
>> Yes.

8240
06:10:21,280 --> 06:10:22,638
>> So, but I just want to point that out.

8241
06:10:22,638 --> 06:10:24,400
There's some morphing that goes on, but

8242
06:10:24,400 --> 06:10:25,760
it's kind of part of the process and

8243
06:10:25,760 --> 06:10:27,680
it's kind of how the world is. It's very

8244
06:10:27,680 --> 06:10:29,200
dynamic, but I just want to make sure

8245
06:10:29,200 --> 06:10:30,958
you're in the process already because I

8246
06:10:30,958 --> 06:10:32,400
love the idea that's going to be done by

8247
06:10:32,400 --> 06:10:36,638
winter 2027. That's fantastic.

8248
06:10:36,638 --> 06:10:39,760
>> Thank you, Council Member Mc Reynolds.

8249
06:10:39,760 --> 06:10:42,080
>> Uh, thank you. I want to stay on some of

8250
06:10:42,080 --> 06:10:43,840
uh Deputy Mayor Halter's comments in

8251
06:10:43,840 --> 06:10:46,240
terms of

8252
06:10:46,240 --> 06:10:48,240
this this idea of an intram station. I

8253
06:10:48,240 --> 06:10:51,680
believe in December uh of 24 this was a

8254
06:10:51,680 --> 06:10:54,558
$5 million project and a a full fire

8255
06:10:54,558 --> 06:10:58,638
station would have been $20 million. So

8256
06:10:58,638 --> 06:11:01,840
now we're at a $13 million project on

8257
06:11:01,840 --> 06:11:04,718
it. Like why didn't we go with just a

8258
06:11:04,718 --> 06:11:09,190
fire station?

8259
06:11:09,200 --> 06:11:11,040
I don't know if I can answer that

8260
06:11:11,040 --> 06:11:14,480
entirely, but uh I mean the the cost the

8261
06:11:14,480 --> 06:11:16,080
overall cost for a permanent fire

8262
06:11:16,080 --> 06:11:18,000
station at that location as you put was

8263
06:11:18,000 --> 06:11:19,280
20 million then it's probably more than

8264
06:11:19,280 --> 06:11:22,718
that now. Um so the interim fire station

8265
06:11:22,718 --> 06:11:25,976
was was what we came up with to uh

8266
06:11:25,976 --> 06:11:26,958
[clears throat]

8267
06:11:26,958 --> 06:11:28,958
basically get that part of our city

8268
06:11:28,958 --> 06:11:31,680
served until such time that funding is

8269
06:11:31,680 --> 06:11:33,200
available that we can build a permanent

8270
06:11:33,200 --> 06:11:35,280
station. And like I said, that that

8271
06:11:35,280 --> 06:11:36,958
seems to be the location that that we're

8272
06:11:36,958 --> 06:11:39,120
going to go with unless something else

8273
06:11:39,120 --> 06:11:40,160
comes our way.

8274
06:11:40,160 --> 06:11:44,240
>> So, we're going to take a $13 million in

8275
06:11:44,240 --> 06:11:47,200
fire station and get rid of it.

8276
06:11:47,200 --> 06:11:49,840
>> The portion of it that is the apparatus

8277
06:11:49,840 --> 06:11:51,920
bay, the metal the metal building that

8278
06:11:51,920 --> 06:11:53,760
houses the apparatus, the intent is for

8279
06:11:53,760 --> 06:11:56,080
that to stay indefinitely. The modular

8280
06:11:56,080 --> 06:11:58,240
buildings would come out and then the

8281
06:11:58,240 --> 06:11:59,760
long-term plan would be to build a

8282
06:11:59,760 --> 06:12:01,600
permanent fire station at that location.

8283
06:12:01,600 --> 06:12:03,520
And what is the current life cycle of

8284
06:12:03,520 --> 06:12:08,150
the modular buildings?

8285
06:12:08,160 --> 06:12:10,638
» Council member Mcrenolds, the life cycle

8286
06:12:10,638 --> 06:12:12,558
of the modular buildings is probably in

8287
06:12:12,558 --> 06:12:15,920
the order of 20 to 25 years and then

8288
06:12:15,920 --> 06:12:18,000
they they could be rehabilitated at that

8289
06:12:18,000 --> 06:12:20,878
time, but that's kind of our expectation

8290
06:12:20,878 --> 06:12:23,120
of life cycle out of those that type of

8291
06:12:23,120 --> 06:12:25,840
construction. So,

8292
06:12:25,840 --> 06:12:27,600
why are we calling it intram fire

8293
06:12:27,600 --> 06:12:30,480
station 7 if we're talking about a

8294
06:12:30,480 --> 06:12:32,320
20-year structure?

8295
06:12:32,320 --> 06:12:35,760
>> Because it is not a permanent facility.

8296
06:12:35,760 --> 06:12:37,920
It is intended to be replaced by a

8297
06:12:37,920 --> 06:12:39,600
permanent facility in the future that

8298
06:12:39,600 --> 06:12:41,600
would fully meet the fire department's

8299
06:12:41,600 --> 06:12:42,160
needs,

8300
06:12:42,160 --> 06:12:44,958
>> which we believe is this location.

8301
06:12:44,958 --> 06:12:46,638
>> At this point in time, the fire

8302
06:12:46,638 --> 06:12:48,480
department does believe that this is the

8303
06:12:48,480 --> 06:12:50,718
appropriate location for that station in

8304
06:12:50,718 --> 06:12:52,000
that neighborhood, and it's a site

8305
06:12:52,000 --> 06:12:54,480
that's available

8306
06:12:54,480 --> 06:12:57,600
Okay. Thank you.

8307
06:12:57,600 --> 06:12:59,760
>> Thank you. Seeing no other um comments

8308
06:12:59,760 --> 06:13:01,040
from my colleagues, I'll go ahead and

8309
06:13:01,040 --> 06:13:02,638
recognize any public comments on this

8310
06:13:02,638 --> 06:13:03,120
item.

8311
06:13:03,120 --> 06:13:04,240
>> Uh thank you, Mayor. We have two

8312
06:13:04,240 --> 06:13:05,360
speakers on this item. Our first

8313
06:13:05,360 --> 06:13:06,878
speaker, Spencer Norin, followed by

8314
06:13:06,878 --> 06:13:11,510
Philip Fields.

8315
06:13:11,520 --> 06:13:13,680
» Thank you, Mr. McDonald, Mayor Council,

8316
06:13:13,680 --> 06:13:16,080
VPD translation.

8317
06:13:16,080 --> 06:13:18,718
Um I think Mr. Mcrenolds is spot on here

8318
06:13:18,718 --> 06:13:20,878
about investing this much money. I

8319
06:13:20,878 --> 06:13:23,920
support fire department have very loudly

8320
06:13:23,920 --> 06:13:27,280
for 10 plus years.

8321
06:13:27,280 --> 06:13:29,360
But to put an intern, I keep thinking

8322
06:13:29,360 --> 06:13:32,718
about the golf course at Alus Park and

8323
06:13:32,718 --> 06:13:34,400
how we've been paying for those rental

8324
06:13:34,400 --> 06:13:36,480
facilities there forever with no

8325
06:13:36,480 --> 06:13:39,360
movement forward. My main one thought is

8326
06:13:39,360 --> 06:13:41,760
about quality of life for firefighters

8327
06:13:41,760 --> 06:13:43,600
working that fire station and fire

8328
06:13:43,600 --> 06:13:47,120
station. Is the modular

8329
06:13:47,120 --> 06:13:49,840
amenities going to be subpar to what

8330
06:13:49,840 --> 06:13:51,388
other stations are accommodations?

8331
06:13:51,388 --> 06:13:52,080
[snorts]

8332
06:13:52,080 --> 06:13:53,520
They could be better because our fire

8333
06:13:53,520 --> 06:13:55,920
stations are old, but we get into like

8334
06:13:55,920 --> 06:13:57,600
quality of life. I know we've had some

8335
06:13:57,600 --> 06:13:59,280
PTSD

8336
06:13:59,280 --> 06:14:01,600
um situations about work times, work

8337
06:14:01,600 --> 06:14:03,920
overloads. I just don't want to set up a

8338
06:14:03,920 --> 06:14:05,760
situation where a fire station becomes

8339
06:14:05,760 --> 06:14:07,280
intern and it becomes more of a

8340
06:14:07,280 --> 06:14:09,360
detriment to a place. People don't want

8341
06:14:09,360 --> 06:14:12,160
to work for the next however long it's

8342
06:14:12,160 --> 06:14:15,360
going to be, 20 years. So, thank you for

8343
06:14:15,360 --> 06:14:18,878
considering that. Um, I think I had one

8344
06:14:18,878 --> 06:14:21,840
more comment real fast. There was last

8345
06:14:21,840 --> 06:14:23,680
time we were talking about the highlight

8346
06:14:23,680 --> 06:14:25,840
was like EV charging stations if I

8347
06:14:25,840 --> 06:14:27,760
remember in this parking lot and we were

8348
06:14:27,760 --> 06:14:29,360
talking about permanent facilities

8349
06:14:29,360 --> 06:14:33,680
there. So, I guess my one note is I say

8350
06:14:33,680 --> 06:14:36,638
we scratch this idea and we go all in

8351
06:14:36,638 --> 06:14:38,958
permanent station right away and just

8352
06:14:38,958 --> 06:14:41,200
fight the buck for that. Oh, I know my

8353
06:14:41,200 --> 06:14:42,878
idea. Sorry.

8354
06:14:42,878 --> 06:14:46,480
Um 15 trees removed, 3 to one placement

8355
06:14:46,480 --> 06:14:49,520
puts in about 45 trees somewhere in

8356
06:14:49,520 --> 06:14:52,638
district 7. I didn't see the funding for

8357
06:14:52,638 --> 06:14:55,360
the tree replacements. I think we just

8358
06:14:55,360 --> 06:14:57,760
funded $250,000

8359
06:14:57,760 --> 06:14:59,680
for trees this last year and the

8360
06:14:59,680 --> 06:15:01,440
estimated cost was somewhere around

8361
06:15:01,440 --> 06:15:05,840
$1,200 per tree. If I'm wrong, 12-500,

8362
06:15:05,840 --> 06:15:10,558
that would put it around 45 to $50,000

8363
06:15:10,558 --> 06:15:13,360
in replacement trees. Where would that

8364
06:15:13,360 --> 06:15:15,280
money come from? Would it come from

8365
06:15:15,280 --> 06:15:18,000
budget in this project or would that be

8366
06:15:18,000 --> 06:15:20,480
put on parks and wreck? Also, I didn't

8367
06:15:20,480 --> 06:15:24,080
see the removal of the trees in this

8368
06:15:24,080 --> 06:15:25,920
breakdown as well. And I hope that

8369
06:15:25,920 --> 06:15:27,440
wouldn't go on the burden of parks and

8370
06:15:27,440 --> 06:15:30,558
wreck through our contract with WCA and

8371
06:15:30,558 --> 06:15:32,480
that the funding for the 45 trees

8372
06:15:32,480 --> 06:15:34,240
wouldn't come out of future tree funding

8373
06:15:34,240 --> 06:15:36,958
projects as the 250 is allotted for next

8374
06:15:36,958 --> 06:15:38,878
year. I hope it can be earmarked within

8375
06:15:38,878 --> 06:15:41,440
this project possibly under measure O.

8376
06:15:41,440 --> 06:15:43,120
Thank you.

8377
06:15:43,120 --> 06:15:51,270
>> And our final speaker is Philip Fields.

8378
06:15:51,280 --> 06:15:53,760
» The facts. The facts. Nothing more than

8379
06:15:53,760 --> 06:15:55,920
the facts

8380
06:15:55,920 --> 06:15:59,920
must lead us in our reasoning.

8381
06:15:59,920 --> 06:16:03,280
I supported many ways the fire

8382
06:16:03,280 --> 06:16:06,638
department, but in all these years they

8383
06:16:06,638 --> 06:16:10,878
don't even have an a vehicle to evacuate

8384
06:16:10,878 --> 06:16:13,600
the whole class of disabled people that

8385
06:16:13,600 --> 06:16:16,400
are on wheelchairs.

8386
06:16:16,400 --> 06:16:18,798
By case law, you cannot separate a

8387
06:16:18,798 --> 06:16:21,680
disabled person from the wheelchair.

8388
06:16:21,680 --> 06:16:25,440
It's part of his or her body.

8389
06:16:25,440 --> 06:16:27,120
My experience was the previous

8390
06:16:27,120 --> 06:16:29,760
evacuation

8391
06:16:29,760 --> 06:16:33,360
at the fair grounds that didn't work.

8392
06:16:33,360 --> 06:16:36,240
So if the fire advanced, we would have

8393
06:16:36,240 --> 06:16:38,878
been burned alive

8394
06:16:38,878 --> 06:16:41,600
and this an ongoing problem. Now we're

8395
06:16:41,600 --> 06:16:46,480
talking about entering station.

8396
06:16:46,480 --> 06:16:49,840
How is money infinite? Does the council

8397
06:16:49,840 --> 06:16:52,958
have infinite money to keep forking out,

8398
06:16:52,958 --> 06:16:56,638
throwing out money here and there and

8399
06:16:56,638 --> 06:17:01,430
everything's just fine?

8400
06:17:01,440 --> 06:17:05,680
I think there's a wrong assumption

8401
06:17:05,680 --> 06:17:08,958
and a wrong presumption that money will

8402
06:17:08,958 --> 06:17:14,798
never be in short in shortage.

8403
06:17:14,798 --> 06:17:18,400
To me, that seems to be irresponsible.

8404
06:17:18,400 --> 06:17:23,520
You guys are failing your fiduciary duty

8405
06:17:23,520 --> 06:17:26,638
in the council as well as

8406
06:17:26,638 --> 06:17:29,600
in the different departments

8407
06:17:29,600 --> 06:17:33,680
that are involved with this financing.

8408
06:17:33,680 --> 06:17:36,798
Uh whenever I ask how are you going to

8409
06:17:36,798 --> 06:17:40,480
do about replacing so and so tree of

8410
06:17:40,480 --> 06:17:45,040
this diameter and this age and rings?

8411
06:17:45,040 --> 06:17:48,798
Oh, it'll be something equivalent. But

8412
06:17:48,798 --> 06:17:52,000
tell me, yes or no? Will it be the same

8413
06:17:52,000 --> 06:17:55,200
maturity of tree? Oh, we trust our

8414
06:17:55,200 --> 06:17:56,718
arburies.

8415
06:17:56,718 --> 06:17:59,440
I'm sorry. Science doesn't work that

8416
06:17:59,440 --> 06:18:07,040
way. You got to prove it. You got to replicate, etc., And you're not doing that. So

8417
06:18:07,040 --> 06:18:10,320
you're having incompetent

8418
06:18:10,320 --> 06:18:13,680
chiefs of heads of departments,

8419
06:18:13,680 --> 06:18:17,440
incompetent uh fiduciary

8420
06:18:17,440 --> 06:18:18,958
act,

8421
06:18:18,958 --> 06:18:22,958
you're not responding to it and uh you

8422
06:18:22,958 --> 06:18:26,958
hear a sound comes the right ear, it

8423
06:18:26,958 --> 06:18:30,320
goes out the left ear and you just go

8424
06:18:30,320 --> 06:18:32,718
on. You don't even bother to answer the

8425
06:18:32,718 --> 06:18:36,638
questions, neither to the council or to

8426
06:18:36,638 --> 06:18:40,788
the people, the sovereign.

8427
06:18:40,798 --> 06:18:45,440
I suffered arson. And this goddamn,

8428
06:18:45,440 --> 06:18:47,680
forgive my expression,

8429
06:18:47,680 --> 06:18:50,160
the fire department

8430
06:18:50,160 --> 06:18:53,440
had like over a dozen and they did

8431
06:18:53,440 --> 06:18:54,958
nothing about it.

8432
06:18:54,958 --> 06:18:56,718
>> That's how incompetent they are.

8433
06:18:56,718 --> 06:18:58,958
>> That concludes public comment.

8434
06:18:58,958 --> 06:19:00,400
>> Thank you. I'll bring it back to council

8435
06:19:00,400 --> 06:19:03,760
for any um final deliberations. A motion

8436
06:19:03,760 --> 06:19:06,240
is required. Council member McReynolds.

8437
06:19:06,240 --> 06:19:07,120
>> Thank you. [clears throat] Uh I just

8438
06:19:07,120 --> 06:19:08,878
wanted to answer one of the speakers uh

8439
06:19:08,878 --> 06:19:10,878
questions. There is $34,000. There's a

8440
06:19:10,878 --> 06:19:13,760
line item for $34,000 for trees in the

8441
06:19:13,760 --> 06:19:16,958
budget and there's another $26,000

8442
06:19:16,958 --> 06:19:20,320
for public art. So I just that is in the

8443
06:19:20,320 --> 06:19:22,160
budget. So thank you.

8444
06:19:22,160 --> 06:19:24,160
>> Thank you, Council Member Durant.

8445
06:19:24,160 --> 06:19:26,000
>> Uh thank you, Madam Mayor. I know that

8446
06:19:26,000 --> 06:19:27,520
we have talked about this for a long

8447
06:19:27,520 --> 06:19:30,240
time since we've been on council and um

8448
06:19:30,240 --> 06:19:32,638
we were concerned that it was temporary.

8449
06:19:32,638 --> 06:19:34,798
I the whole thing, but I will tell you

8450
06:19:34,798 --> 06:19:36,718
one of the reasons that I wasn't real in

8451
06:19:36,718 --> 06:19:38,718
favor of this fire station was because

8452
06:19:38,718 --> 06:19:40,400
of the way some things were being

8453
06:19:40,400 --> 06:19:42,400
operated in the fire department and we

8454
06:19:42,400 --> 06:19:45,200
made some amazing changes and uh guys

8455
06:19:45,200 --> 06:19:47,280
are being cared for now. the people that

8456
06:19:47,280 --> 06:19:49,840
are in the fight. I I have to tell you,

8457
06:19:49,840 --> 06:19:51,440
I know that if we're talking three

8458
06:19:51,440 --> 06:19:54,240
minutes to save a life, it's not like we

8459
06:19:54,240 --> 06:19:56,080
don't have the money put aside. We got

8460
06:19:56,080 --> 06:19:58,240
measure money. It's pl we've been we've

8461
06:19:58,240 --> 06:19:59,840
been talking about this for a long time.

8462
06:19:59,840 --> 06:20:01,040
You know, unfortunately, it's not

8463
06:20:01,040 --> 06:20:03,520
considered a permanent, but it is um I

8464
06:20:03,520 --> 06:20:06,080
think a necessity for us in our city.

8465
06:20:06,080 --> 06:20:09,280
And so, I I support this uh 100%. And

8466
06:20:09,280 --> 06:20:10,638
so, I would like to make a motion to

8467
06:20:10,638 --> 06:20:12,080
approve staff's recommendation.

8468
06:20:12,080 --> 06:20:13,200
>> Second.

8469
06:20:13,200 --> 06:20:15,280
>> Thank you. So, with a motion and a

8470
06:20:15,280 --> 06:20:17,280
second, I have um Council Member Mc

8471
06:20:17,280 --> 06:20:18,638
Reynolds. Do you have comments?

8472
06:20:18,638 --> 06:20:21,040
>> Yeah, just just really quick. I mean, I

8473
06:20:21,040 --> 06:20:22,638
I've

8474
06:20:22,638 --> 06:20:24,958
I'm going to support the motion. I I

8475
06:20:24,958 --> 06:20:27,840
just this this concept of intram on a

8476
06:20:27,840 --> 06:20:33,440
20-year facility just it's not realistic. you know, uh I think

8477
06:20:33,440 --> 06:20:34,798
the speaker's point, you know, we've

8478
06:20:34,798 --> 06:20:37,200
been living out of uh at the the golf

8479
06:20:37,200 --> 06:20:39,600
courses, you know, in facilities for 20

8480
06:20:39,600 --> 06:20:41,120
years that we had to replace the interim

8481
06:20:41,120 --> 06:20:43,360
facilities with new interim facilities.

8482
06:20:43,360 --> 06:20:45,760
You know, I really challenge this

8483
06:20:45,760 --> 06:20:48,400
council to figure out how we're actually

8484
06:20:48,400 --> 06:20:51,200
going to build a permanent fire station,

8485
06:20:51,200 --> 06:20:52,798
you know, to support the community, to

8486
06:20:52,798 --> 06:20:55,440
support the fire department um on it.

8487
06:20:55,440 --> 06:20:59,200
Um, I I just we are spending $13 million

8488
06:20:59,200 --> 06:21:02,160
on an intram facility and it is a

8489
06:21:02,160 --> 06:21:04,958
difficult pill to swallow. Thank you.

8490
06:21:04,958 --> 06:21:06,320
>> Thank you for those comments. Um,

8491
06:21:06,320 --> 06:21:07,680
council member Schumacher.

8492
06:21:07,680 --> 06:21:09,920
>> Thank you. We absolutely can do that um

8493
06:21:09,920 --> 06:21:12,718
had we passed the sales tax um so that

8494
06:21:12,718 --> 06:21:16,558
way we can be able to support the fire department and also other uh parts

8495
06:21:16,558 --> 06:21:19,040
of the city. Um but at this point I

8496
06:21:19,040 --> 06:21:22,400
think um good is enough for us and then

8497
06:21:22,400 --> 06:21:26,160
we'll get better along the way.

8498
06:21:26,160 --> 06:21:27,840
Thank you. And with a motion on the

8499
06:21:27,840 --> 06:21:29,600
floor and a second, I'll call for the

8500
06:21:29,600 --> 06:21:33,430
vote, please.

8501
06:21:33,440 --> 06:21:35,200
» You can enter your vote now on item

8502
06:21:35,200 --> 06:21:38,628
number 15.

8503
06:21:38,638 --> 06:21:43,270
All votes have been entered,

8504
06:21:43,280 --> 06:21:46,480
seven eyes, and the motion carries.

8505
06:21:46,480 --> 06:21:49,840
>> Thank you, staff, for your presentation.

8506
06:21:49,840 --> 06:21:52,638
And I'm moving on to our final formal

8507
06:21:52,638 --> 06:21:55,120
item, item number 16, which is a Ventura

8508
06:21:55,120 --> 06:21:56,958
waterpure program and membrane

8509
06:21:56,958 --> 06:21:59,120
bioreactor ultraviolet light

8510
06:21:59,120 --> 06:22:01,760
disinfection project updates and third

8511
06:22:01,760 --> 06:22:04,480
amendment to the construction manager at

8512
06:22:04,480 --> 06:22:08,320
risk contract 2025-070

8513
06:22:08,320 --> 06:22:10,638
with PCL construction inc for

8514
06:22:10,638 --> 06:22:12,798
preconstruction services for the

8515
06:22:12,798 --> 06:22:17,350
advanced water purification facility.

8516
06:22:17,360 --> 06:22:20,400
It is. And thank you staff. Um,

8517
06:22:20,400 --> 06:22:21,120
>> all right.

8518
06:22:21,120 --> 06:22:22,080
>> For your presentation.

8519
06:22:22,080 --> 06:22:24,000
>> Okay. Good evening, Dr. Mayor San or

8520
06:22:24,000 --> 06:22:25,920
Mayor Dr. Sanchez Palasios and Deputy

8521
06:22:25,920 --> 06:22:28,400
Mayor Halter and council members. Um,

8522
06:22:28,400 --> 06:22:30,000
I'm Gina Dorington. I'm the general

8523
06:22:30,000 --> 06:22:31,680
manager for Ventura Water and with me is

8524
06:22:31,680 --> 06:22:33,520
Linda Samsky, the Ventura Water Pure

8525
06:22:33,520 --> 06:22:36,160
Program Director. And um as you stated,

8526
06:22:36,160 --> 06:22:37,600
we are here to give you a quarterly

8527
06:22:37,600 --> 06:22:40,480
update on the Ventur Water Pure program

8528
06:22:40,480 --> 06:22:42,958
and the membrane bioreactor project with

8529
06:22:42,958 --> 06:22:45,760
a uh uh consideration for a third

8530
06:22:45,760 --> 06:22:47,600
amendment with our construction manager

8531
06:22:47,600 --> 06:22:49,280
at risk on the advanced purification

8532
06:22:49,280 --> 06:22:52,878
facility. Um and I will hand it over to

8533
06:22:52,878 --> 06:22:56,240
Linda to uh give us an update.

8534
06:22:56,240 --> 06:22:57,760
>> Thank you. Good evening, Madame Mayor

8535
06:22:57,760 --> 06:23:00,160
and council members.

8536
06:23:00,160 --> 06:23:02,798
Um it hasn't been quite a quarter since

8537
06:23:02,798 --> 06:23:04,958
we were here. We were here um at the end

8538
06:23:04,958 --> 06:23:07,120
of May to give you an update, but we do

8539
06:23:07,120 --> 06:23:09,600
have some exciting um information to

8540
06:23:09,600 --> 06:23:11,600
show you. Some really great pictures.

8541
06:23:11,600 --> 06:23:14,160
So, we wanted to do an update along with

8542
06:23:14,160 --> 06:23:16,000
um the other recommendation we have on

8543
06:23:16,000 --> 06:23:18,000
the third um third amendment for the

8544
06:23:18,000 --> 06:23:21,840
advanced water purification facility.

8545
06:23:21,840 --> 06:23:23,680
So, I'll go ahead and get started. Um

8546
06:23:23,680 --> 06:23:27,040
membrane bioreactor. Um really we've

8547
06:23:27,040 --> 06:23:28,958
made a lot of progress on this um

8548
06:23:28,958 --> 06:23:30,878
project since the last time we were

8549
06:23:30,878 --> 06:23:33,920
here. Um we have completed a number of

8550
06:23:33,920 --> 06:23:36,958
portions of the construction. Um last

8551
06:23:36,958 --> 06:23:38,718
time we were here we were talking about

8552
06:23:38,718 --> 06:23:41,360
um deep soil mixing. Um basically mixing

8553
06:23:41,360 --> 06:23:44,000
cement into the soil. Since then we've

8554
06:23:44,000 --> 06:23:45,920
completed the mass excavation and you

8555
06:23:45,920 --> 06:23:48,240
can see that in the top picture. So we

8556
06:23:48,240 --> 06:23:50,718
now have a big hole at the site and

8557
06:23:50,718 --> 06:23:53,040
we're starting to fill it up. So um we

8558
06:23:53,040 --> 06:23:55,840
have um started adding some rebar, some

8559
06:23:55,840 --> 06:23:58,718
piping into the bottom of the hole here.

8560
06:23:58,718 --> 06:24:02,558
So, um that is in progress at the

8561
06:24:02,558 --> 06:24:05,360
moment. Um on the bottom picture, um

8562
06:24:05,360 --> 06:24:07,200
last time we were here, we were showing

8563
06:24:07,200 --> 06:24:09,760
you digging some foundations. So, we

8564
06:24:09,760 --> 06:24:11,280
have actually poured the concrete for

8565
06:24:11,280 --> 06:24:13,200
our new wash down and storage areas.

8566
06:24:13,200 --> 06:24:15,680
These are portions that were relocated

8567
06:24:15,680 --> 06:24:20,000
from um the the main site for the MBR.

8568
06:24:20,000 --> 06:24:22,558
Um, our next steps really are working on

8569
06:24:22,558 --> 06:24:24,958
our feed pump station and we actually

8570
06:24:24,958 --> 06:24:28,000
will be installing a tower crane um, in

8571
06:24:28,000 --> 06:24:30,080
kind of the center of that that large

8572
06:24:30,080 --> 06:24:33,760
excavation. Um, that'll help us with the

8573
06:24:33,760 --> 06:24:35,840
construction for the rest of the project

8574
06:24:35,840 --> 06:24:38,080
and we'll be able to reach all sections

8575
06:24:38,080 --> 06:24:40,320
of construction with just that one

8576
06:24:40,320 --> 06:24:42,080
crane.

8577
06:24:42,080 --> 06:24:45,760
So um just briefly we have spent 14% of

8578
06:24:45,760 --> 06:24:48,400
the total project costs and 5% of the

8579
06:24:48,400 --> 06:24:50,958
construction costs. I think last time we

8580
06:24:50,958 --> 06:24:54,240
had also talked about um an oil line

8581
06:24:54,240 --> 06:24:57,520
that we were asking to uh actually use

8582
06:24:57,520 --> 06:25:00,400
contingency on. Um I do not have the

8583
06:25:00,400 --> 06:25:02,958
total cost for that yet. Um we just

8584
06:25:02,958 --> 06:25:05,120
finished the last piece which is the

8585
06:25:05,120 --> 06:25:07,600
removal of the the hazardous material

8586
06:25:07,600 --> 06:25:10,480
the oil oil line itself. So, we should

8587
06:25:10,480 --> 06:25:12,558
have those final costs, but we have been

8588
06:25:12,558 --> 06:25:14,958
tracking and u we still expect that that

8589
06:25:14,958 --> 06:25:17,280
should be under the $500,000 that we had

8590
06:25:17,280 --> 06:25:21,110
asked for.

8591
06:25:21,120 --> 06:25:23,040
So, I'll move on to the Ventura water

8592
06:25:23,040 --> 06:25:24,240
pure project. I'm not going to

8593
06:25:24,240 --> 06:25:26,000
concentrate on this slide at all other

8594
06:25:26,000 --> 06:25:27,920
than to say that there are three

8595
06:25:27,920 --> 06:25:29,760
projects that make up the Ventura water

8596
06:25:29,760 --> 06:25:31,840
pure project. The outfall, the advanced

8597
06:25:31,840 --> 06:25:35,120
water purification facility, AWPF, and

8598
06:25:35,120 --> 06:25:38,080
then the wells projects.

8599
06:25:38,080 --> 06:25:41,440
So, the outfall project, um, last time

8600
06:25:41,440 --> 06:25:44,160
we were here, we were still waiting for

8601
06:25:44,160 --> 06:25:47,440
our surge tank to be installed. Um, in

8602
06:25:47,440 --> 06:25:48,958
the top picture, you can see that it's

8603
06:25:48,958 --> 06:25:51,520
kind of that white cylinder on um, right

8604
06:25:51,520 --> 06:25:55,040
in front of the building. Um, all of the

8605
06:25:55,040 --> 06:25:57,120
other infrastructure is actually inside

8606
06:25:57,120 --> 06:26:00,558
of that building. Um the bottom picture

8607
06:26:00,558 --> 06:26:02,320
that we have, I just wanted to put this

8608
06:26:02,320 --> 06:26:04,958
up here. This is actually the um the

8609
06:26:04,958 --> 06:26:06,558
place where we take all of our samples

8610
06:26:06,558 --> 06:26:08,638
and do all of our testing so that we can

8611
06:26:08,638 --> 06:26:11,040
confirm that we are meeting our national

8612
06:26:11,040 --> 06:26:13,600
pollution and elimination discharge

8613
06:26:13,600 --> 06:26:16,400
system permit for discharging water to

8614
06:26:16,400 --> 06:26:19,360
the ocean. So we take samples here um

8615
06:26:19,360 --> 06:26:21,280
and we actually get other readings here

8616
06:26:21,280 --> 06:26:25,440
that we report to the regional board.

8617
06:26:25,440 --> 06:26:27,920
So it helps with our compliance. So,

8618
06:26:27,920 --> 06:26:30,160
right now we still are um doing some

8619
06:26:30,160 --> 06:26:33,760
operational testing and fine-tuning um

8620
06:26:33,760 --> 06:26:36,958
of of the outfall pump station. Um we

8621
06:26:36,958 --> 06:26:39,120
should be granting substantial

8622
06:26:39,120 --> 06:26:41,280
completion probably in September. There

8623
06:26:41,280 --> 06:26:43,120
are a couple of warranty issues that are

8624
06:26:43,120 --> 06:26:45,680
holding up that substantial completion,

8625
06:26:45,680 --> 06:26:47,360
but for the most part, we are running

8626
06:26:47,360 --> 06:26:51,120
and discharging to the ocean. Um to

8627
06:26:51,120 --> 06:26:53,440
date, we've spent 88% of the total

8628
06:26:53,440 --> 06:26:56,558
project costs. That includes also the

8629
06:26:56,558 --> 06:26:58,878
onshore and offshore pipelines that have

8630
06:26:58,878 --> 06:27:03,600
been complete for a while and 80% 87% of

8631
06:27:03,600 --> 06:27:06,478
the construction costs. Um to date we've

8632
06:27:06,478 --> 06:27:08,878
spent about $3 million of the $10

8633
06:27:08,878 --> 06:27:11,040
million of contingency that was granted

8634
06:27:11,040 --> 06:27:15,030
to these projects.

8635
06:27:15,040 --> 06:27:16,958
Um for the injection and monitoring well

8636
06:27:16,958 --> 06:27:18,718
projects, we have hit a milestone for

8637
06:27:18,718 --> 06:27:20,718
this also. We received the basis of

8638
06:27:20,718 --> 06:27:23,360
design report and we are now moving on

8639
06:27:23,360 --> 06:27:27,440
to the 30% design for both the injection

8640
06:27:27,440 --> 06:27:30,558
well site itself and the pipeline that

8641
06:27:30,558 --> 06:27:32,240
will transfer the water from the

8642
06:27:32,240 --> 06:27:34,878
advanced water purification facility to

8643
06:27:34,878 --> 06:27:38,240
that injection well site. So on the top

8644
06:27:38,240 --> 06:27:40,558
it's a a similar picture that we had

8645
06:27:40,558 --> 06:27:42,080
seen the last time. This is just a

8646
06:27:42,080 --> 06:27:44,478
little bit more detail of the pipeline.

8647
06:27:44,478 --> 06:27:46,718
Um on the bottom we actually have a

8648
06:27:46,718 --> 06:27:48,478
schematic of what the injection well

8649
06:27:48,478 --> 06:27:51,200
site is going to look like now and we'll

8650
06:27:51,200 --> 06:27:53,200
be building on that as we move forward

8651
06:27:53,200 --> 06:27:56,878
in design. Um we are also preparing the

8652
06:27:56,878 --> 06:27:59,760
well drilling construction um bid

8653
06:27:59,760 --> 06:28:02,320
because we can drill these wells um and

8654
06:28:02,320 --> 06:28:05,280
we need to do that first.

8655
06:28:05,280 --> 06:28:07,840
So our next steps um basically are like

8656
06:28:07,840 --> 06:28:10,638
I said the 30% design. Um we also

8657
06:28:10,638 --> 06:28:12,958
anticipate that we will be able to

8658
06:28:12,958 --> 06:28:15,440
occupy the injection well site at the

8659
06:28:15,440 --> 06:28:17,760
beginning of September and start doing

8660
06:28:17,760 --> 06:28:21,040
some work on the site itself.

8661
06:28:21,040 --> 06:28:24,080
Um so to date um we have spent about 2%

8662
06:28:24,080 --> 06:28:27,200
of the um the total project costs that

8663
06:28:27,200 --> 06:28:29,840
we have for this project and and not

8664
06:28:29,840 --> 06:28:33,920
under construction with anything yet.

8665
06:28:33,920 --> 06:28:35,600
So, quickly we'll move on to the

8666
06:28:35,600 --> 06:28:38,320
advanced water purification plant. Um, I

8667
06:28:38,320 --> 06:28:40,000
want to run through this very quickly

8668
06:28:40,000 --> 06:28:41,280
because we want to spend a little bit

8669
06:28:41,280 --> 06:28:44,798
more time on the third amendment. Um, I

8670
06:28:44,798 --> 06:28:46,638
think we saw the last time we were here

8671
06:28:46,638 --> 06:28:49,760
that same rendering that is on the top

8672
06:28:49,760 --> 06:28:53,840
right. Um, the bottom is actually the a

8673
06:28:53,840 --> 06:28:55,200
picture of the advanced water

8674
06:28:55,200 --> 06:28:57,200
purification site that was taken maybe

8675
06:28:57,200 --> 06:28:59,280
about a week ago or so. You'll notice

8676
06:28:59,280 --> 06:29:00,878
that there's a lot of dirt that's

8677
06:29:00,878 --> 06:29:02,878
showing up on the site. that is actually

8678
06:29:02,878 --> 06:29:05,120
coming from the membrane bioreactor

8679
06:29:05,120 --> 06:29:07,920
project. So that big hole that we dug,

8680
06:29:07,920 --> 06:29:09,840
all that dirt is now over here on that

8681
06:29:09,840 --> 06:29:12,160
site. So in case I'm sure the public is

8682
06:29:12,160 --> 06:29:13,760
interested in what's going on because

8683
06:29:13,760 --> 06:29:15,920
there's a big pile of dirt there now. So

8684
06:29:15,920 --> 06:29:18,080
that that's how that's how it's ended up

8685
06:29:18,080 --> 06:29:22,718
there. So, um we have been, as we stated

8686
06:29:22,718 --> 06:29:25,440
in the staff report, um working on the

8687
06:29:25,440 --> 06:29:28,320
60% guaranteed maximum price, which we

8688
06:29:28,320 --> 06:29:31,440
did receive in May. Um right before

8689
06:29:31,440 --> 06:29:33,520
council break, um we came back and

8690
06:29:33,520 --> 06:29:35,600
informed council that we did want to use

8691
06:29:35,600 --> 06:29:37,680
the contingency that was set aside in

8692
06:29:37,680 --> 06:29:40,320
that pre-construction contract to be

8693
06:29:40,320 --> 06:29:42,878
able to u move forward with some value

8694
06:29:42,878 --> 06:29:46,958
engineering um ideas that we had. So, we

8695
06:29:46,958 --> 06:29:48,638
have continued to kind of move forward

8696
06:29:48,638 --> 06:29:51,760
on some of those. Um, right now we're

8697
06:29:51,760 --> 06:29:53,440
also working on the coastal development

8698
06:29:53,440 --> 06:29:56,080
permit. Um, and hopefully that will

8699
06:29:56,080 --> 06:30:00,558
actually be going to um for its um

8700
06:30:00,558 --> 06:30:03,520
completion in October.

8701
06:30:03,520 --> 06:30:06,320
So, want to talk just a little bit more

8702
06:30:06,320 --> 06:30:10,958
about um the recommendation for a third

8703
06:30:10,958 --> 06:30:13,280
amendment for the pre-construction

8704
06:30:13,280 --> 06:30:16,478
contract. So while we have been going

8705
06:30:16,478 --> 06:30:18,638
through and working with our our owner's

8706
06:30:18,638 --> 06:30:20,958
advisor, the the contractor and the

8707
06:30:20,958 --> 06:30:24,400
designer on that 60% guaranteed maximum

8708
06:30:24,400 --> 06:30:27,440
price that was proposed. Um we have

8709
06:30:27,440 --> 06:30:30,240
actually ma moved forward and completed

8710
06:30:30,240 --> 06:30:35,520
the 90% design. So um one of the things

8711
06:30:35,520 --> 06:30:40,320
that we are looking at is moving

8712
06:30:40,320 --> 06:30:43,280
actually asking the contractor to repric

8713
06:30:43,280 --> 06:30:46,400
based on the 90% design

8714
06:30:46,400 --> 06:30:50,080
and that would be moving forward from

8715
06:30:50,080 --> 06:30:53,200
the proposal that we got on 60% the

8716
06:30:53,200 --> 06:30:56,638
amount of money that was set aside to

8717
06:30:56,638 --> 06:31:00,080
actually do that if we had awarded a

8718
06:31:00,080 --> 06:31:04,320
construction contract. So $421,000

8719
06:31:04,320 --> 06:31:07,600
is the estimate to move forward with a

8720
06:31:07,600 --> 06:31:10,958
repric of the guaranteed maximum price

8721
06:31:10,958 --> 06:31:19,040
for the 90% design. And I think we've shown you the the item on the left

8722
06:31:19,040 --> 06:31:23,280
before where we actually decrease the

8723
06:31:23,280 --> 06:31:25,920
amount of uncertainty as we move through

8724
06:31:25,920 --> 06:31:28,958
the projects and we are now kind of at

8725
06:31:28,958 --> 06:31:31,840
the end of that detailed design. So we

8726
06:31:31,840 --> 06:31:34,958
are in decreasing that range of

8727
06:31:34,958 --> 06:31:37,440
uncertainty and we feel like that would

8728
06:31:37,440 --> 06:31:39,840
actually be a benefit to this project.

8729
06:31:39,840 --> 06:31:43,120
We would be able to bring you a more

8730
06:31:43,120 --> 06:31:46,240
certain price if we were to do this. So

8731
06:31:46,240 --> 06:31:47,840
we did did write down some of the

8732
06:31:47,840 --> 06:31:50,878
advantages that we see for this. Um

8733
06:31:50,878 --> 06:31:53,280
again better certainty of design. There

8734
06:31:53,280 --> 06:31:55,520
are things now that are defined that

8735
06:31:55,520 --> 06:31:58,958
were not defined at the 60%. Um, two of

8736
06:31:58,958 --> 06:32:02,080
the big big pieces are the electrical

8737
06:32:02,080 --> 06:32:06,080
and also the rebar that the rebar design

8738
06:32:06,080 --> 06:32:08,558
for the concrete. So those are are two

8739
06:32:08,558 --> 06:32:11,200
big things that are less that are more

8740
06:32:11,200 --> 06:32:14,718
defined, less uncertain. Um, that

8741
06:32:14,718 --> 06:32:17,600
certainty leads to less contingency or

8742
06:32:17,600 --> 06:32:20,400
allowances that the contractor needs to

8743
06:32:20,400 --> 06:32:23,440
actually have in there to cover what

8744
06:32:23,440 --> 06:32:25,920
he's not sure about.

8745
06:32:25,920 --> 06:32:28,798
um with the 90% we actually have the

8746
06:32:28,798 --> 06:32:31,200
ability to go out and bid some of these

8747
06:32:31,200 --> 06:32:34,638
items. So we will have certainty on some

8748
06:32:34,638 --> 06:32:37,760
of these costs and so things like the

8749
06:32:37,760 --> 06:32:39,840
electrical we are now able to bid

8750
06:32:39,840 --> 06:32:42,958
because it is better defined.

8751
06:32:42,958 --> 06:32:44,958
Um it also will provide us some more

8752
06:32:44,958 --> 06:32:47,200
time to explore some of these other

8753
06:32:47,200 --> 06:32:51,920
value uh engineering ideas that we have.

8754
06:32:51,920 --> 06:32:54,240
So th those would be the advantages that

8755
06:32:54,240 --> 06:32:57,520
we see to doing this.

8756
06:32:57,520 --> 06:33:01,200
So um recom um for strategic priorities

8757
06:33:01,200 --> 06:33:04,240
um the recommendations that we have this

8758
06:33:04,240 --> 06:33:06,638
evening support the council strategic

8759
06:33:06,638 --> 06:33:09,760
priorities of infrastructure, climate

8760
06:33:09,760 --> 06:33:13,520
change and public safety.

8761
06:33:13,520 --> 06:33:15,760
Um our recommendations this evening, one

8762
06:33:15,760 --> 06:33:17,920
is to receive the update and no action

8763
06:33:17,920 --> 06:33:20,240
is actually required on that. And then

8764
06:33:20,240 --> 06:33:22,320
the second would be to authorize the

8765
06:33:22,320 --> 06:33:24,878
city manager or designate to execute the

8766
06:33:24,878 --> 06:33:26,478
third amendment for the construction

8767
06:33:26,478 --> 06:33:29,120
manager at risk contract. And that would

8768
06:33:29,120 --> 06:33:33,280
be for the $421,000

8769
06:33:33,280 --> 06:33:36,160
um or yeah, $421,000

8770
06:33:36,160 --> 06:33:38,718
to actually uh prepare the guaranteed

8771
06:33:38,718 --> 06:33:42,638
maximum price based on the 90% design.

8772
06:33:42,638 --> 06:33:44,718
And I did want to point out that we did

8773
06:33:44,718 --> 06:33:46,798
take this item to water commission um

8774
06:33:46,798 --> 06:33:49,600
last Monday and they did recommend um

8775
06:33:49,600 --> 06:33:52,638
moving forward with this.

8776
06:33:52,638 --> 06:33:55,200
And with that, well, happy to take any

8777
06:33:55,200 --> 06:33:56,638
questions that you have.

8778
06:33:56,638 --> 06:33:58,638
>> Thank you. Any questions from

8779
06:33:58,638 --> 06:34:01,360
colleagues?

8780
06:34:01,360 --> 06:34:03,760
>> Council member Mcrenolds.

8781
06:34:03,760 --> 06:34:05,920
>> Thank you, Madam Mayor. Uh, so did we

8782
06:34:05,920 --> 06:34:09,840
get a bid back on the 60%.

8783
06:34:09,840 --> 06:34:12,478
>> We actually did get a proposal and we

8784
06:34:12,478 --> 06:34:14,718
have reviewed it and it has kind of led

8785
06:34:14,718 --> 06:34:16,878
us to this point where we we believe

8786
06:34:16,878 --> 06:34:21,280
that pricing 90% and pursuing some value

8787
06:34:21,280 --> 06:34:24,080
engineering ideas is is the proper thing

8788
06:34:24,080 --> 06:34:24,798
to do.

8789
06:34:24,798 --> 06:34:26,878
>> And and I I don't disagree. I mean, I

8790
06:34:26,878 --> 06:34:29,120
think you're looking at trying to derisk

8791
06:34:29,120 --> 06:34:31,680
the the construction drawings, you know,

8792
06:34:31,680 --> 06:34:32,958
so you're going to get better bids,

8793
06:34:32,958 --> 06:34:34,718
everything like that. I completely

8794
06:34:34,718 --> 06:34:36,878
understand, but like how much like why

8795
06:34:36,878 --> 06:34:39,360
are we doing this? What how much

8796
06:34:39,360 --> 06:34:41,600
overbudget were we?

8797
06:34:41,600 --> 06:34:45,360
>> So, we were we're looking at about a 17%

8798
06:34:45,360 --> 06:34:47,120
increase

8799
06:34:47,120 --> 06:34:50,478
>> from and then what is if we go to 90%.

8800
06:34:50,478 --> 06:34:52,878
What are we expecting

8801
06:34:52,878 --> 06:34:54,000
is that

8802
06:34:54,000 --> 06:34:57,760
>> so we we expect that there is probably

8803
06:34:57,760 --> 06:35:02,478
some amount um from bidding that we will

8804
06:35:02,478 --> 06:35:04,878
get back and we're looking at cutting

8805
06:35:04,878 --> 06:35:07,600
down on contingencies.

8806
06:35:07,600 --> 06:35:09,840
I think we're hoping that we can reduce

8807
06:35:09,840 --> 06:35:14,160
that maybe to 10 to 15%.

8808
06:35:14,160 --> 06:35:14,958
So we're

8809
06:35:14,958 --> 06:35:16,400
>> of the of the increase or the

8810
06:35:16,400 --> 06:35:19,120
contingency

8811
06:35:19,120 --> 06:35:22,080
>> of the increase. So we are anticipating

8812
06:35:22,080 --> 06:35:24,240
there will be an increase in the price.

8813
06:35:24,240 --> 06:35:26,478
Our goal is to reduce that as much as

8814
06:35:26,478 --> 06:35:27,120
possible.

8815
06:35:27,120 --> 06:35:29,760
>> So we're expecting a 17% increase.

8816
06:35:29,760 --> 06:35:31,120
You're thinking we can get that down to

8817
06:35:31,120 --> 06:35:32,400
a 2% increase.

8818
06:35:32,400 --> 06:35:34,638
>> No, to a 10 to 15%.

8819
06:35:34,638 --> 06:35:37,040
>> 10 to 15. So we would save 2%.

8820
06:35:37,040 --> 06:35:37,600
>> Yeah.

8821
06:35:37,600 --> 06:35:39,600
>> Potentially by going from the 60 to the

8822
06:35:39,600 --> 06:35:40,798
90.

8823
06:35:40,798 --> 06:35:42,718
>> Yeah. I I should point out that there

8824
06:35:42,718 --> 06:35:45,920
are some things that we didn't have in

8825
06:35:45,920 --> 06:35:51,200
the 60% that um are requirements for the

8826
06:35:51,200 --> 06:35:54,718
project. So there are increases baked

8827
06:35:54,718 --> 06:35:57,680
into the cake for additional parking

8828
06:35:57,680 --> 06:36:00,000
that we need to put in that was never in

8829
06:36:00,000 --> 06:36:02,798
our original estimate. That is a coastal

8830
06:36:02,798 --> 06:36:06,878
commission condition. Um there are some

8831
06:36:06,878 --> 06:36:10,958
conditions that were part of our

8832
06:36:10,958 --> 06:36:14,478
um coastal development plan amendment.

8833
06:36:14,478 --> 06:36:18,320
Um that being solar and EV parking that

8834
06:36:18,320 --> 06:36:21,600
are extra costs. Um there are some

8835
06:36:21,600 --> 06:36:23,760
changes to storm water that we need to

8836
06:36:23,760 --> 06:36:26,080
make that are extra costs that we're not

8837
06:36:26,080 --> 06:36:29,360
going to be able to eliminate. So those

8838
06:36:29,360 --> 06:36:31,840
are now part of, you know, what we're

8839
06:36:31,840 --> 06:36:33,280
going to try and mitigate with some of

8840
06:36:33,280 --> 06:36:34,718
these other ideas.

8841
06:36:34,718 --> 06:36:36,878
>> So staying on the 2%

8842
06:36:36,878 --> 06:36:39,920
>> potential, but we're looking at

8843
06:36:39,920 --> 06:36:44,160
inflation at plus 3%.

8844
06:36:44,160 --> 06:36:47,520
Does it make sense to just go with the

8845
06:36:47,520 --> 06:36:50,000
you know

8846
06:36:50,000 --> 06:36:53,680
>> I I think that we feel that we are

8847
06:36:53,680 --> 06:36:55,840
better servicing the community and

8848
06:36:55,840 --> 06:36:59,200
council and making sure that there is no

8849
06:36:59,200 --> 06:37:01,520
way for us to reduce costs further. We

8850
06:37:01,520 --> 06:37:03,280
feel like it's it's an exercise that we

8851
06:37:03,280 --> 06:37:04,080
need to do.

8852
06:37:04,080 --> 06:37:06,400
>> So I mean essentially so you're saying

8853
06:37:06,400 --> 06:37:08,240
you believe we're going to have cost

8854
06:37:08,240 --> 06:37:11,280
savings that outpace inflation.

8855
06:37:11,280 --> 06:37:12,638
>> That's correct.

8856
06:37:12,638 --> 06:37:15,760
Okay. Okay. And then have we shared that

8857
06:37:15,760 --> 06:37:19,120
bid? Is that a publicly available or

8858
06:37:19,120 --> 06:37:21,120
>> It is actually public avail. Well, we

8859
06:37:21,120 --> 06:37:22,878
have not actually shared it yet.

8860
06:37:22,878 --> 06:37:26,558
>> Okay. Thank you.

8861
06:37:26,558 --> 06:37:28,478
>> Thank you. Seeing no other questions

8862
06:37:28,478 --> 06:37:30,718
from colleagues, um do we have any

8863
06:37:30,718 --> 06:37:32,400
public comments on this item?

8864
06:37:32,400 --> 06:37:33,760
>> Thank you, mayor. We have three speakers

8865
06:37:33,760 --> 06:37:36,400
on item 16. Our first speaker is Bert

8866
06:37:36,400 --> 06:37:38,638
Handy, followed by Philip Fields and

8867
06:37:38,638 --> 06:37:49,110
Spencer Norin.

8868
06:37:49,120 --> 06:37:51,200
Good evening, council staff, Mr.

8869
06:37:51,200 --> 06:37:53,680
Arlington, Misski.

8870
06:37:53,680 --> 06:37:56,080
Couple questions I had. You say that

8871
06:37:56,080 --> 06:37:58,240
information is publicly available. Where

8872
06:37:58,240 --> 06:37:59,600
would it be publicly available? I

8873
06:37:59,600 --> 06:38:00,878
haven't been able to find that at all

8874
06:38:00,878 --> 06:38:05,040
anywhere. Um, and you say 17%.

8875
06:38:05,040 --> 06:38:07,600
What is that based on?

8876
06:38:07,600 --> 06:38:10,000
What cost is that based on? You could do

8877
06:38:10,000 --> 06:38:13,120
some math on and figure it out. Say 17%.

8878
06:38:13,120 --> 06:38:15,760
It could be 250 million. It could be 500

8879
06:38:15,760 --> 06:38:18,798
million. We don't know. So, as a

8880
06:38:18,798 --> 06:38:21,680
citizen, I believe we should be entitled

8881
06:38:21,680 --> 06:38:23,840
to know what that number is instead of

8882
06:38:23,840 --> 06:38:26,400
having to possibly file a public records

8883
06:38:26,400 --> 06:38:29,360
request to find out what the cost is.

8884
06:38:29,360 --> 06:38:34,080
Um, do these costs include phase 1B?

8885
06:38:34,080 --> 06:38:36,798
I don't believe they do. That's part of

8886
06:38:36,798 --> 06:38:39,360
the project we're talking about.

8887
06:38:39,360 --> 06:38:42,240
You're talking about 1,800

8888
06:38:42,240 --> 06:38:45,040
acre feet a year for phase 1A. According

8889
06:38:45,040 --> 06:38:47,600
to the comprehensive water resources

8890
06:38:47,600 --> 06:38:51,440
report, we're going to 5,400 acre feet

8891
06:38:51,440 --> 06:38:54,718
when we complete phase 1B.

8892
06:38:54,718 --> 06:38:57,360
Why is that included? And if it's not,

8893
06:38:57,360 --> 06:38:59,200
why isn't that cost included in this

8894
06:38:59,200 --> 06:39:01,520
total project cost? That is something

8895
06:39:01,520 --> 06:39:04,798
that should be there.

8896
06:39:04,798 --> 06:39:07,440
How much more cost is it going to be to

8897
06:39:07,440 --> 06:39:10,160
increase the cost of infrastructure?

8898
06:39:10,160 --> 06:39:13,040
What I mean by that is we currently have

8899
06:39:13,040 --> 06:39:15,120
a pipeline that's capable of handling 3

8900
06:39:15,120 --> 06:39:17,680
million gallons a day. I believe it is

8901
06:39:17,680 --> 06:39:19,680
going up to Bailey, but it's going to

8902
06:39:19,680 --> 06:39:21,760
have to be increased.

8903
06:39:21,760 --> 06:39:24,080
Is that cost part of the pure water

8904
06:39:24,080 --> 06:39:26,240
project or is that another cost that

8905
06:39:26,240 --> 06:39:28,080
we're going to have to add on top of it

8906
06:39:28,080 --> 06:39:29,920
to comply with what we're going to be

8907
06:39:29,920 --> 06:39:32,638
able to send and use within our system?

8908
06:39:32,638 --> 06:39:34,160
I don't believe that number is there

8909
06:39:34,160 --> 06:39:37,520
either. So there's a lot of costs here

8910
06:39:37,520 --> 06:39:39,680
that are actually part of the pure water

8911
06:39:39,680 --> 06:39:42,958
project that are not really being talked

8912
06:39:42,958 --> 06:39:45,520
about in this cost that we have right

8913
06:39:45,520 --> 06:39:49,360
now of the unknown amount with a 17%

8914
06:39:49,360 --> 06:39:51,680
increase over the costs. That is

8915
06:39:51,680 --> 06:39:55,200
concerning to me because as a citizen I

8916
06:39:55,200 --> 06:39:57,360
believe that information should be made

8917
06:39:57,360 --> 06:39:59,600
available to us. And another thing

8918
06:39:59,600 --> 06:40:02,240
that's very upsetting to me

8919
06:40:02,240 --> 06:40:05,440
is the procedure that this council uses

8920
06:40:05,440 --> 06:40:08,000
in scheduling when all the events come

8921
06:40:08,000 --> 06:40:11,200
out. Venture water is at the end of

8922
06:40:11,200 --> 06:40:13,680
every council meeting. Why? Because it

8923
06:40:13,680 --> 06:40:16,478
begins with W. Why isn't this rotated to

8924
06:40:16,478 --> 06:40:17,840
the beginning of the meeting once in a

8925
06:40:17,840 --> 06:40:20,080
while so the public can hear what's

8926
06:40:20,080 --> 06:40:22,958
going on instead of having what you got

8927
06:40:22,958 --> 06:40:25,200
for a crowd out here almost every time

8928
06:40:25,200 --> 06:40:27,360
Ventura Water comes in to talk about it.

8929
06:40:27,360 --> 06:40:30,638
Is that really being fair to the public?

8930
06:40:30,638 --> 06:40:33,680
No, it's not. We're spending,

8931
06:40:33,680 --> 06:40:35,760
according to you guys, the most money

8932
06:40:35,760 --> 06:40:38,080
that we'll ever spend on a project, but

8933
06:40:38,080 --> 06:40:39,520
it's being buried at the end of the

8934
06:40:39,520 --> 06:40:41,360
night every time we talk about it. Thank

8935
06:40:41,360 --> 06:40:43,360
you.

8936
06:40:43,360 --> 06:40:45,440
>> Next speaker is Philip Fields, followed

8937
06:40:45,440 --> 06:40:47,520
by Spencer Norn and our final speaker,

8938
06:40:47,520 --> 06:40:54,948
Nirvonica.

8939
06:40:54,958 --> 06:40:57,760
You, the council,

8940
06:40:57,760 --> 06:41:00,718
are acting irresponsibly.

8941
06:41:00,718 --> 06:41:02,798
You're throwing out over a billion

8942
06:41:02,798 --> 06:41:07,600
dollars on a useless, expensive,

8943
06:41:07,600 --> 06:41:09,120
ineffective

8944
06:41:09,120 --> 06:41:12,558
technological approach that you label

8945
06:41:12,558 --> 06:41:15,280
under different parts.

8946
06:41:15,280 --> 06:41:17,680
Sometimes you label as bioreactor

8947
06:41:17,680 --> 06:41:20,240
filter, etc., etc.

8948
06:41:20,240 --> 06:41:22,958
There are other alternatives

8949
06:41:22,958 --> 06:41:25,280
and you're not asking those questions.

8950
06:41:25,280 --> 06:41:28,160
What alternatives are those that are

8951
06:41:28,160 --> 06:41:32,240
cheaper and efficient to break forever

8952
06:41:32,240 --> 06:41:34,160
chemicals,

8953
06:41:34,160 --> 06:41:37,440
the PFAS

8954
06:41:37,440 --> 06:41:40,400
and this stuff

8955
06:41:40,400 --> 06:41:42,638
sucks.

8956
06:41:42,638 --> 06:41:45,040
They're incompetent.

8957
06:41:45,040 --> 06:41:50,320
They're stupid. Forgive my frankness.

8958
06:41:50,320 --> 06:41:54,240
They are failing their fiduciary duty.

8959
06:41:54,240 --> 06:41:57,600
They're playing with money from the

8960
06:41:57,600 --> 06:42:02,160
people, money that's not theirs.

8961
06:42:02,160 --> 06:42:04,320
And you see, attorney, you should be

8962
06:42:04,320 --> 06:42:06,638
looking for these alternatives.

8963
06:42:06,638 --> 06:42:09,440
Deliberate negligence, it's grants for

8964
06:42:09,440 --> 06:42:11,600
criminal prosecution.

8965
06:42:11,600 --> 06:42:14,000
You went to law school. You certainly

8966
06:42:14,000 --> 06:42:17,680
know that those severies

8967
06:42:17,680 --> 06:42:20,878
here it's multiple failure. The

8968
06:42:20,878 --> 06:42:24,878
alternatives to fix this are for example

8969
06:42:24,878 --> 06:42:28,798
combining specific fungi such as

8970
06:42:28,798 --> 06:42:30,798
arbascular

8971
06:42:30,798 --> 06:42:32,638
microisal

8972
06:42:32,638 --> 06:42:37,760
fungi like riso fagos irregularities

8973
06:42:37,760 --> 06:42:40,958
with wetlands plants like yellow flack

8974
06:42:40,958 --> 06:42:43,440
irises

8975
06:42:43,440 --> 06:42:45,360
can reduce

8976
06:42:45,360 --> 06:42:50,000
between 17 to 28%.

8977
06:42:50,000 --> 06:42:51,840
These are cheaper, efficient

8978
06:42:51,840 --> 06:42:54,718
alternatives.

8979
06:42:54,718 --> 06:42:56,958
A Doug,

8980
06:42:56,958 --> 06:43:00,320
he's the doctor in chemistry. Why is he

8981
06:43:00,320 --> 06:43:04,868
using his expertise?

8982
06:43:04,878 --> 06:43:08,080
And Schumacher, you're expert in public

8983
06:43:08,080 --> 06:43:09,840
health. Why aren't you using your

8984
06:43:09,840 --> 06:43:15,440
expertise? Ah, forgive me. You're just a

8985
06:43:15,440 --> 06:43:17,040
PIO.

8986
06:43:17,040 --> 06:43:21,510
You're not in your field.

8987
06:43:21,520 --> 06:43:24,638
So here we have the experts. They're not

8988
06:43:24,638 --> 06:43:27,840
doing their job.

8989
06:43:27,840 --> 06:43:30,320
You went to school. So what for did you

8990
06:43:30,320 --> 06:43:32,354
get a degree?

8991
06:43:32,354 --> 06:43:33,920
[clears throat] Why aren't you fixing

8992
06:43:33,920 --> 06:43:35,680
it?

8993
06:43:35,680 --> 06:43:37,760
And that

8994
06:43:37,760 --> 06:43:40,080
these fungi stimulate beneficial

8995
06:43:40,080 --> 06:43:43,120
microbial activity that helps break down

8996
06:43:43,120 --> 06:43:47,520
this persisting compounds to the PFAS.

8997
06:43:47,520 --> 06:43:51,280
And you look at me like a stupid

8998
06:43:51,280 --> 06:43:53,440
when it's you who should be fixing these

8999
06:43:53,440 --> 06:43:55,840
problems. You as headsets of department

9000
06:43:55,840 --> 06:43:57,120
and you as

9001
06:43:57,120 --> 06:43:58,080
>> Thank you

9002
06:43:58,080 --> 06:43:58,878
>> committees.

9003
06:43:58,878 --> 06:44:05,590
>> Spencer Norn.

9004
06:44:05,600 --> 06:44:07,680
» Thank you Michael. Mayor Council BPD

9005
06:44:07,680 --> 06:44:10,080
translation. I wanted to make just kind

9006
06:44:10,080 --> 06:44:12,400
of one ironic note I believe from this

9007
06:44:12,400 --> 06:44:14,798
project and the location of a Levis Park

9008
06:44:14,798 --> 06:44:16,558
and Harbor

9009
06:44:16,558 --> 06:44:19,920
going back to our intern

9010
06:44:19,920 --> 06:44:22,240
golf course

9011
06:44:22,240 --> 06:44:25,520
facilities at a Levis Park. Remember,

9012
06:44:25,520 --> 06:44:27,520
Levis Park was changed and the

9013
06:44:27,520 --> 06:44:29,920
construction was changed. Probably not

9014
06:44:29,920 --> 06:44:32,958
in accordance with the situation with

9015
06:44:32,958 --> 06:44:34,478
the golf course being changed in the

9016
06:44:34,478 --> 06:44:36,160
early 2000s and this project coming

9017
06:44:36,160 --> 06:44:38,878
around maybe in the mid 2000s, but where

9018
06:44:38,878 --> 06:44:41,680
the clubhouse used to be is where the

9019
06:44:41,680 --> 06:44:43,600
water purification facility is now

9020
06:44:43,600 --> 06:44:46,000
going. So, just seen a little bit of

9021
06:44:46,000 --> 06:44:48,000
irony that the golf course was changed

9022
06:44:48,000 --> 06:44:52,000
over 20 years ago and we haven't updated

9023
06:44:52,000 --> 06:44:54,160
the clubhouse and opposed to the

9024
06:44:54,160 --> 06:44:56,240
trailers, but now we're looking to

9025
06:44:56,240 --> 06:44:57,760
invest this much money in the project on

9026
06:44:57,760 --> 06:45:00,478
the same location. So, my hope would be

9027
06:45:00,478 --> 06:45:03,280
can we possibly fund the new clubhouse

9028
06:45:03,280 --> 06:45:05,680
where Leas Park is

9029
06:45:05,680 --> 06:45:08,160
before we fund this. Just a thought.

9030
06:45:08,160 --> 06:45:10,080
Thank you.

9031
06:45:10,080 --> 06:45:24,390
>> And our final speaker is Nirvana.

9032
06:45:24,400 --> 06:45:29,120
I I don't know. I haven't studied

9033
06:45:29,120 --> 06:45:31,440
what

9034
06:45:31,440 --> 06:45:33,440
a U

9035
06:45:33,440 --> 06:45:37,360
membrane bioreactor is.

9036
06:45:37,360 --> 06:45:39,440
I need to do some research on that. or

9037
06:45:39,440 --> 06:45:42,558
an ultraviolet light disinfection

9038
06:45:42,558 --> 06:45:45,680
machine is.

9039
06:45:45,680 --> 06:45:48,080
But I do I can tell you one thing I've

9040
06:45:48,080 --> 06:45:51,440
done some studying on as far as our

9041
06:45:51,440 --> 06:45:54,240
water is concerned.

9042
06:45:54,240 --> 06:45:56,798
I've studied

9043
06:45:56,798 --> 06:46:00,000
wireless systems

9044
06:46:00,000 --> 06:46:02,558
like our phones

9045
06:46:02,558 --> 06:46:05,760
and like the wireless meters you put on

9046
06:46:05,760 --> 06:46:10,320
our pipes going into our houses.

9047
06:46:10,320 --> 06:46:14,080
They create they cause cancer.

9048
06:46:14,080 --> 06:46:16,400
Men that carry cell phones in their

9049
06:46:16,400 --> 06:46:19,280
pockets very often have testicular

9050
06:46:19,280 --> 06:46:21,440
cancer.

9051
06:46:21,440 --> 06:46:23,120
Women

9052
06:46:23,120 --> 06:46:25,200
that carry cell phones in their bras and

9053
06:46:25,200 --> 06:46:28,000
in their purses because their purses are

9054
06:46:28,000 --> 06:46:31,120
up here like this. Women

9055
06:46:31,120 --> 06:46:34,080
get breast cancer from these things. and

9056
06:46:34,080 --> 06:46:36,400
women and people that holds these things

9057
06:46:36,400 --> 06:46:40,080
up to their head get brain cancer. I've

9058
06:46:40,080 --> 06:46:43,600
known people that have died from it.

9059
06:46:43,600 --> 06:46:47,544
So, when you when you put these wireless

9060
06:46:47,544 --> 06:46:49,670
[snorts]

9061
06:46:49,680 --> 06:46:52,400
uh water meters on our pipes, you're

9062
06:46:52,400 --> 06:46:54,160
radiating

9063
06:46:54,160 --> 06:46:56,958
the w because it completely surrounds

9064
06:46:56,958 --> 06:47:00,400
the pipe. Okay? It completely surrounds

9065
06:47:00,400 --> 06:47:04,638
the pipe going into our homes, our gyms,

9066
06:47:04,638 --> 06:47:07,520
our restaurants,

9067
06:47:07,520 --> 06:47:10,958
and it's radiating the water that's

9068
06:47:10,958 --> 06:47:14,718
going into our homes and everything.

9069
06:47:14,718 --> 06:47:16,558
Okay, I think that needs it needs to

9070
06:47:16,558 --> 06:47:21,750
stop. And I don't know what

9071
06:47:21,760 --> 06:47:25,360
a membrane bioreactor is,

9072
06:47:25,360 --> 06:47:29,040
but it doesn't sound good to me.

9073
06:47:29,040 --> 06:47:32,240
So, I have to

9074
06:47:32,240 --> 06:47:33,760
say

9075
06:47:33,760 --> 06:47:36,958
uh until I do some more research on

9076
06:47:36,958 --> 06:47:41,920
these things, I'm opposed to it 100%.

9077
06:47:41,920 --> 06:47:45,040
And uh I don't have a song for that

9078
06:47:45,040 --> 06:47:48,160
right now, but uh anyway,

9079
06:47:48,160 --> 06:47:50,878
um I just wanted to make make that

9080
06:47:50,878 --> 06:47:55,040
point. Thank you. And thank you for uh

9081
06:47:55,040 --> 06:47:56,878
all for giving me the freedom of

9082
06:47:56,878 --> 06:47:59,120
expression that I got get here. I I want

9083
06:47:59,120 --> 06:48:02,160
to thank all of you for giving me that.

9084
06:48:02,160 --> 06:48:04,558
Thank you, mayor, and council members.

9085
06:48:04,558 --> 06:48:05,280
>> Thank you.

9086
06:48:05,280 --> 06:48:07,120
>> That concludes public comment on item

9087
06:48:07,120 --> 06:48:07,920
16.

9088
06:48:07,920 --> 06:48:10,080
>> Thank you. I'll bring it back to council

9089
06:48:10,080 --> 06:48:12,240
for deliberation and uh action is

9090
06:48:12,240 --> 06:48:14,798
required on this item. Um council member

9091
06:48:14,798 --> 06:48:16,400
Mc Reynolds, followed by council member

9092
06:48:16,400 --> 06:48:17,440
Mangon.

9093
06:48:17,440 --> 06:48:20,000
>> Uh thank you, Madame Mayor. Uh Mr.

9094
06:48:20,000 --> 06:48:21,920
Storington, I want to thank you. Uh I do

9095
06:48:21,920 --> 06:48:23,680
enjoy your updates. Uh I think they're

9096
06:48:23,680 --> 06:48:26,798
well presented uh on it. Uh per one of

9097
06:48:26,798 --> 06:48:29,600
the public speakers. Um I just want to

9098
06:48:29,600 --> 06:48:30,878
make sure that we're including the whole

9099
06:48:30,878 --> 06:48:37,200
project uh as part of that. Uh is that the entire project in the update

9100
06:48:37,200 --> 06:48:40,160
that you're providing?

9101
06:48:40,160 --> 06:48:41,600
>> Yeah, I'll have Linda answer what we're

9102
06:48:41,600 --> 06:48:43,760
covering right now.

9103
06:48:43,760 --> 06:48:46,478
So to answer um one of one of the public

9104
06:48:46,478 --> 06:48:49,760
comments um these the costs that we are

9105
06:48:49,760 --> 06:48:52,958
talking about do not include phase 1B.

9106
06:48:52,958 --> 06:48:55,760
>> Um those costs are actually in the

9107
06:48:55,760 --> 06:48:58,718
capital improvement program. So they are

9108
06:48:58,718 --> 06:49:02,000
budgeted and part of what we um what we

9109
06:49:02,000 --> 06:49:03,920
had put forward for rates back in

9110
06:49:03,920 --> 06:49:07,360
December. So we're not capturing it

9111
06:49:07,360 --> 06:49:09,680
right here, but it is planned. in future

9112
06:49:09,680 --> 06:49:11,280
updates, if you can just make sure it's

9113
06:49:11,280 --> 06:49:13,440
the whole project, that would be

9114
06:49:13,440 --> 06:49:16,080
appreciated.

9115
06:49:16,080 --> 06:49:17,840
>> Sure. Yeah.

9116
06:49:17,840 --> 06:49:19,600
>> Okay. And uh unless there's another

9117
06:49:19,600 --> 06:49:21,600
comment, um I I'll make a motion to move

9118
06:49:21,600 --> 06:49:23,440
staff's recommendation.

9119
06:49:23,440 --> 06:49:24,320
>> Second.

9120
06:49:24,320 --> 06:49:26,240
>> Thank you. I do have a couple of council

9121
06:49:26,240 --> 06:49:28,798
members with um questions or comments.

9122
06:49:28,798 --> 06:49:31,200
Council member Mangon and then follow up

9123
06:49:31,200 --> 06:49:31,680
Schumacher.

9124
06:49:31,680 --> 06:49:32,798
>> So to follow up with some of the

9125
06:49:32,798 --> 06:49:34,558
comments, so we're you you stated, Miss

9126
06:49:34,558 --> 06:49:36,400
Samansky, that we're looking at a 17%

9127
06:49:36,400 --> 06:49:43,670
increase. So, to what dollar amount,

9128
06:49:43,680 --> 06:49:46,638
» council member manganese, I um I'm

9129
06:49:46,638 --> 06:49:48,160
hesitant to give you a dollar amount

9130
06:49:48,160 --> 06:49:49,200
because that's something that you're

9131
06:49:49,200 --> 06:49:51,520
going to we're going to glob on to and

9132
06:49:51,520 --> 06:49:54,878
it's we know that we can get that dollar

9133
06:49:54,878 --> 06:49:56,400
amount

9134
06:49:56,400 --> 06:49:59,200
reduced by moving further along in the

9135
06:49:59,200 --> 06:50:02,878
process on that cone of uncertainty. um

9136
06:50:02,878 --> 06:50:05,440
it's not a price that that we want to

9137
06:50:05,440 --> 06:50:07,680
focus on because it's not a real cost

9138
06:50:07,680 --> 06:50:11,360
right now. We're going to redefine the

9139
06:50:11,360 --> 06:50:14,558
uh 90% design and the cost of the 90%

9140
06:50:14,558 --> 06:50:19,040
design. So the 60% design is not um it's

9141
06:50:19,040 --> 06:50:21,120
not a valid cost. It's a it's a proposed

9142
06:50:21,120 --> 06:50:23,680
it was a proposed cost, but it's not

9143
06:50:23,680 --> 06:50:25,200
going to be what the cost is to

9144
06:50:25,200 --> 06:50:26,958
construct the project.

9145
06:50:26,958 --> 06:50:29,520
>> Understood. But we're still potentially

9146
06:50:29,520 --> 06:50:32,400
looking at 10 to 15% increase on that

9147
06:50:32,400 --> 06:50:34,320
number that we don't know.

9148
06:50:34,320 --> 06:50:37,120
>> It is it is true. The the costs that we

9149
06:50:37,120 --> 06:50:39,840
looked at um back in December when we

9150
06:50:39,840 --> 06:50:42,400
talked about rates um that cost has gone

9151
06:50:42,400 --> 06:50:44,000
up for the advanced purification

9152
06:50:44,000 --> 06:50:46,798
facility. Uh the cost of building has

9153
06:50:46,798 --> 06:50:49,120
continued to rise as we move forward in

9154
06:50:49,120 --> 06:50:50,638
this process.

9155
06:50:50,638 --> 06:50:53,120
>> Understood. But I think that's the

9156
06:50:53,120 --> 06:50:54,718
question and I think that should be

9157
06:50:54,718 --> 06:50:57,200
answered publicly is we're talking about

9158
06:50:57,200 --> 06:50:59,040
percentages and numbers. The staff, you

9159
06:50:59,040 --> 06:51:01,600
know, the presentations are actually

9160
06:51:01,600 --> 06:51:04,638
make it more confusing for the public.

9161
06:51:04,638 --> 06:51:07,680
The to me it seems like a something that

9162
06:51:07,680 --> 06:51:09,600
should be answered. We're looking at

9163
06:51:09,600 --> 06:51:11,120
we're trying to be transparent here with

9164
06:51:11,120 --> 06:51:13,760
the public. You're asking the council to

9165
06:51:13,760 --> 06:51:16,958
approve increases incrementally. You're

9166
06:51:16,958 --> 06:51:19,520
stating that we're trying to to reduce

9167
06:51:19,520 --> 06:51:23,040
17 potentially 17% increase in costs,

9168
06:51:23,040 --> 06:51:29,990
but no one knows what that number is.

9169
06:51:30,000 --> 06:51:33,440
» So, the cost that we had included in the

9170
06:51:33,440 --> 06:51:37,440
rates study and approved rates for was

9171
06:51:37,440 --> 06:51:40,320
192 million for a total project cost.

9172
06:51:40,320 --> 06:51:45,670
>> Okay. Thank you.

9173
06:51:45,680 --> 06:51:49,680
And one last comment. So I think

9174
06:51:49,680 --> 06:51:54,000
one um statement that Mr. Handy made and I'll agree with it whole

9175
06:51:54,000 --> 06:51:56,478
wholeheartedly. In 2024 I was I made

9176
06:51:56,478 --> 06:51:58,958
public comments several times about h

9177
06:51:58,958 --> 06:52:03,600
not having waterpure items on consent.

9178
06:52:03,600 --> 06:52:06,478
There was one um meeting in particular.

9179
06:52:06,478 --> 06:52:09,920
It was like $19 million in in water pure

9180
06:52:09,920 --> 06:52:13,120
and MBR um expenditures approved and

9181
06:52:13,120 --> 06:52:14,638
consent. And I was like, what is

9182
06:52:14,638 --> 06:52:19,040
happening here? I think he's right that

9183
06:52:19,040 --> 06:52:21,120
we're we're talking about a project here

9184
06:52:21,120 --> 06:52:22,798
that's going to impact every single

9185
06:52:22,798 --> 06:52:24,798
rateayer in the city of Mura and we're

9186
06:52:24,798 --> 06:52:27,120
talking about it at 11:30 at night when

9187
06:52:27,120 --> 06:52:29,040
no one's paying attention. So, I think

9188
06:52:29,040 --> 06:52:32,240
we can do better. I don't think Miss

9189
06:52:32,240 --> 06:52:34,240
Dorington and Miss Samansky need two

9190
06:52:34,240 --> 06:52:38,400
hours like we did to talk about $340,000

9191
06:52:38,400 --> 06:52:40,080
in arts and culture spending. That's

9192
06:52:40,080 --> 06:52:41,600
what we spent over two hours talking

9193
06:52:41,600 --> 06:52:44,638
about that. They are very prepared. They

9194
06:52:44,638 --> 06:52:46,478
can do their presentation in 30 minutes.

9195
06:52:46,478 --> 06:52:47,920
I think they should be at the beginning

9196
06:52:47,920 --> 06:52:49,920
of the meeting or towards the beginning.

9197
06:52:49,920 --> 06:52:52,718
I think uh just in uh just to speak

9198
06:52:52,718 --> 06:52:54,558
towards like the transparency we were

9199
06:52:54,558 --> 06:52:56,478
constantly talking about we want to

9200
06:52:56,478 --> 06:52:58,558
improve on. I think that's uh something

9201
06:52:58,558 --> 06:53:02,798
that we we could do in the future.

9202
06:53:02,798 --> 06:53:04,478
>> Thank you for that. And if I may just

9203
06:53:04,478 --> 06:53:07,200
kind of chime in on that. Um our agendas

9204
06:53:07,200 --> 06:53:11,440
are alphabetical order and that's why

9205
06:53:11,440 --> 06:53:13,360
this and we always have the discretion

9206
06:53:13,360 --> 06:53:16,400
to move things around. So keep that in

9207
06:53:16,400 --> 06:53:18,080
mind too. Like if we want to move

9208
06:53:18,080 --> 06:53:21,520
something up, just let me know. But

9209
06:53:21,520 --> 06:53:24,240
yeah, not putting it very at the very

9210
06:53:24,240 --> 06:53:26,478
end on purpose. No,

9211
06:53:26,478 --> 06:53:30,080
>> I'm not saying it's intentional. I'm not I'm not trying to imply that,

9212
06:53:30,080 --> 06:53:31,760
but you know, I think we can do better.

9213
06:53:31,760 --> 06:53:34,000
And you're you're right. I can email you

9214
06:53:34,000 --> 06:53:36,080
and the city clerk and say, "Why are we

9215
06:53:36,080 --> 06:53:37,520
doing this prior to the meeting?" You

9216
06:53:37,520 --> 06:53:38,958
know, I'm not placing blame on anybody,

9217
06:53:38,958 --> 06:53:39,280
but

9218
06:53:39,280 --> 06:53:40,478
>> No, no problem. Just wanted to make sure

9219
06:53:40,478 --> 06:53:41,280
that

9220
06:53:41,280 --> 06:53:42,878
>> that was understood. Um, Council Member

9221
06:53:42,878 --> 06:53:44,320
Schumacher, followed by Council Member

9222
06:53:44,320 --> 06:53:44,798
Compost.

9223
06:53:44,798 --> 06:53:45,840
>> Thank you, Mayor, and thank you, Council

9224
06:53:45,840 --> 06:53:47,520
Member Mangonic. I had the same question

9225
06:53:47,520 --> 06:53:49,760
and concern. I thank you for the

9226
06:53:49,760 --> 06:53:52,558
commenter to be able to put that um in

9227
06:53:52,558 --> 06:53:55,120
our consciousness and uh yeah moving

9228
06:53:55,120 --> 06:53:57,440
forward I think we we should move it up.

9229
06:53:57,440 --> 06:54:00,558
I think it it definitely yields more

9230
06:54:00,558 --> 06:54:03,200
attention specifically to get uh more

9231
06:54:03,200 --> 06:54:05,920
people to pay attention and help us with

9232
06:54:05,920 --> 06:54:08,080
uh their comments specifically because

9233
06:54:08,080 --> 06:54:09,360
the comments that we've heard today

9234
06:54:09,360 --> 06:54:11,760
wasn't very helpful. Um, and I want to

9235
06:54:11,760 --> 06:54:13,120
thank the two of you for all the work

9236
06:54:13,120 --> 06:54:15,760
that you've done. Um, because uh, and

9237
06:54:15,760 --> 06:54:17,280
you know, this is a difficult and

9238
06:54:17,280 --> 06:54:19,280
thankless job and the name calling is

9239
06:54:19,280 --> 06:54:21,680
completely inappropriate. Uh, so in no

9240
06:54:21,680 --> 06:54:25,040
way do you are ever described as stupid.

9241
06:54:25,040 --> 06:54:26,718
I think the stupidity comes from those

9242
06:54:26,718 --> 06:54:29,360
that can't derive or justify any salient

9243
06:54:29,360 --> 06:54:31,280
points. So with that, I want to thank

9244
06:54:31,280 --> 06:54:32,798
you both for all the work that you've

9245
06:54:32,798 --> 06:54:35,440
done for this project. and I second um

9246
06:54:35,440 --> 06:54:37,520
or if it hasn't already been seconded by

9247
06:54:37,520 --> 06:54:39,920
um council member Duran and I I want to

9248
06:54:39,920 --> 06:54:41,120
move this along. Thank you.

9249
06:54:41,120 --> 06:54:42,558
>> Thank you. I do have council member

9250
06:54:42,558 --> 06:54:49,510
Compos with comments.

9251
06:54:49,520 --> 06:54:51,040
» I don't think your mic is on.

9252
06:54:51,040 --> 06:54:51,600
>> Sorry.

9253
06:54:51,600 --> 06:54:52,160
>> Thank you.

9254
06:54:52,160 --> 06:54:54,000
>> The item that you said was publicly

9255
06:54:54,000 --> 06:54:56,000
available.

9256
06:54:56,000 --> 06:54:58,798
>> Can you email the link to that to Mr.

9257
06:54:58,798 --> 06:55:00,478
handy

9258
06:55:00,478 --> 06:55:02,080
so we don't have to go through the

9259
06:55:02,080 --> 06:55:03,600
public record action.

9260
06:55:03,600 --> 06:55:05,200
>> Sure, we can we can do that.

9261
06:55:05,200 --> 06:55:06,958
>> Thank you.

9262
06:55:06,958 --> 06:55:10,000
And um thank you staff as

9263
06:55:10,000 --> 06:55:12,240
well for your work and dedication on

9264
06:55:12,240 --> 06:55:14,638
this item. With that, we have a motion

9265
06:55:14,638 --> 06:55:17,280
and a second. If we can call the vote.

9266
06:55:17,280 --> 06:55:23,990
>> You can enter your vote now on item 16.

9267
06:55:24,000 --> 06:55:27,600
All votes have been entered.

9268
06:55:27,600 --> 06:55:31,920
Seven eyes and the motion carries.

9269
06:55:31,920 --> 06:55:34,718
>> Thank you. Moving on to our items for

9270
06:55:34,718 --> 06:55:36,958
future agendas. Um this is the time on

9271
06:55:36,958 --> 06:55:39,600
our agenda for items for future agendas.

9272
06:55:39,600 --> 06:55:41,600
Um this section allows council members

9273
06:55:41,600 --> 06:55:44,320
to request future agenda items. Policy

9274
06:55:44,320 --> 06:55:46,000
considerations must be submitted jointly

9275
06:55:46,000 --> 06:55:49,760
by two council members. And um just a

9276
06:55:49,760 --> 06:55:51,440
reminder, discussion should be limited

9277
06:55:51,440 --> 06:55:53,440
to whether staff should return with a

9278
06:55:53,440 --> 06:55:55,760
future item, not the substance of the

9279
06:55:55,760 --> 06:55:59,040
policy. And I'll go ahead and um start

9280
06:55:59,040 --> 06:56:02,400
off real quick and then I everybody had

9281
06:56:02,400 --> 06:56:04,160
ideas over the long break. So that's

9282
06:56:04,160 --> 06:56:07,600
great. Um, for a future agenda item, I'd

9283
06:56:07,600 --> 06:56:10,478
like staff to bring back information on

9284
06:56:10,478 --> 06:56:13,440
what a potential moratorum on gas

9285
06:56:13,440 --> 06:56:16,080
stations or fueling infrastructure could

9286
06:56:16,080 --> 06:56:19,280
look like um, in the city and also

9287
06:56:19,280 --> 06:56:22,320
provide an overview of what setback or

9288
06:56:22,320 --> 06:56:24,080
separation requirements we currently

9289
06:56:24,080 --> 06:56:27,200
have in the city, if any, um,

9290
06:56:27,200 --> 06:56:29,760
particularly in relation to residential

9291
06:56:29,760 --> 06:56:31,760
areas and other sensitive areas.

9292
06:56:31,760 --> 06:56:33,440
>> I'll second that.

9293
06:56:33,440 --> 06:56:34,798
>> Thank you.

9294
06:56:34,798 --> 06:56:40,948
And if we can vote on that real quick.

9295
06:56:40,958 --> 06:56:42,958
» Okay, you can enter your vote now to

9296
06:56:42,958 --> 06:56:44,400
direct staff to return with an

9297
06:56:44,400 --> 06:56:45,680
information item on a potential

9298
06:56:45,680 --> 06:56:53,510
moratorium on gas stations.

9299
06:56:53,520 --> 06:56:55,360
» Seven eyes and the motion carries.

9300
06:56:55,360 --> 06:56:57,760
>> Thank you. Um I have council member

9301
06:56:57,760 --> 06:56:59,120
Mcrenolds followed by council member

9302
06:56:59,120 --> 06:57:01,120
Schumacher followed by council member

9303
06:57:01,120 --> 06:57:04,788
compos.

9304
06:57:04,798 --> 06:57:06,958
Uh thank you, Madame Mayor. Uh I wanted

9305
06:57:06,958 --> 06:57:10,080
to bring the flock item forward. Um I

9306
06:57:10,080 --> 06:57:11,760
think there's been a lot of community

9307
06:57:11,760 --> 06:57:14,558
outreach regarding that. Uh I want to

9308
06:57:14,558 --> 06:57:16,958
give the uh police department a fair

9309
06:57:16,958 --> 06:57:20,320
opportunity to address that. Uh I think

9310
06:57:20,320 --> 06:57:22,400
there's probably number of concerns from

9311
06:57:22,400 --> 06:57:26,240
the my my colleagues also uh on it. So I

9312
06:57:26,240 --> 06:57:28,080
don't know if there's any additional

9313
06:57:28,080 --> 06:57:30,320
items. Uh I just wanted to bring it

9314
06:57:30,320 --> 06:57:32,478
forward for consideration. I know the

9315
06:57:32,478 --> 06:57:34,160
last time when the uh chief made the

9316
06:57:34,160 --> 06:57:35,840
presentation in March, there was going

9317
06:57:35,840 --> 06:57:40,240
to be an audit that the IT folks were doing. I think there'd be an

9318
06:57:40,240 --> 06:57:42,080
opportunity to bring that if that audit

9319
06:57:42,080 --> 06:57:44,400
is complete to bring that forward. And

9320
06:57:44,400 --> 06:57:47,600
then, you know, in terms of the the

9321
06:57:47,600 --> 06:57:50,160
safety and of the flock cameras and

9322
06:57:50,160 --> 06:57:52,000
such. So, uh I don't know if any of my

9323
06:57:52,000 --> 06:57:54,160
colleagues have additional items

9324
06:57:54,160 --> 06:57:55,200
potentially.

9325
06:57:55,200 --> 06:57:57,120
>> Yeah, I would support that. I have a

9326
06:57:57,120 --> 06:58:01,200
question maybe. Um, so I I've heard in

9327
06:58:01,200 --> 06:58:04,400
terms of um the federal government can

9328
06:58:04,400 --> 06:58:07,760
come and put cameras without us knowing

9329
06:58:07,760 --> 06:58:10,240
and if that's the case, can that be

9330
06:58:10,240 --> 06:58:13,440
addressed when it comes back to council

9331
06:58:13,440 --> 06:58:17,670
with information on that?

9332
06:58:17,680 --> 06:58:19,520
» That that's correct. There there are

9333
06:58:19,520 --> 06:58:21,760
other law enforcement organizations,

9334
06:58:21,760 --> 06:58:24,160
state and federal, uh, that potentially

9335
06:58:24,160 --> 06:58:25,920
could install cameras within the city

9336
06:58:25,920 --> 06:58:27,840
limits, even the county. Okay.

9337
06:58:27,840 --> 06:58:29,120
>> So, we can certainly have that.

9338
06:58:29,120 --> 06:58:30,958
>> So, that could just be included in that

9339
06:58:30,958 --> 06:58:34,230
asformational.

9340
06:58:34,240 --> 06:58:40,878
» Okay. So, we have a second. Thank you.

9341
06:58:40,878 --> 06:58:42,558
>> Okay. You can enter your vote on

9342
06:58:42,558 --> 06:58:44,080
directing staff to return with an

9343
06:58:44,080 --> 06:58:45,600
information item regarding the soft

9344
06:58:45,600 --> 06:58:50,150
safety of cameras.

9345
06:58:50,160 --> 06:58:58,310
Seven eyes. The motion carries.

9346
06:58:58,320 --> 06:59:00,478
Go ahead, council.

9347
06:59:00,478 --> 06:59:02,878
>> Um, thank you, mayor. Uh, so we had

9348
06:59:02,878 --> 06:59:05,360
asked, uh, the staff to come back about

9349
06:59:05,360 --> 06:59:09,040
street vending and, um, I have been

9350
06:59:09,040 --> 06:59:11,200
working in Santa Barbara County in my

9351
06:59:11,200 --> 06:59:13,600
capacity as one of the executives for

9352
06:59:13,600 --> 06:59:15,760
the health department. Um, and I would

9353
06:59:15,760 --> 06:59:18,478
like to make sure that um, I bring some

9354
06:59:18,478 --> 06:59:20,400
of those best practices for a regional

9355
06:59:20,400 --> 06:59:23,840
approach rather than for us to um, just

9356
06:59:23,840 --> 06:59:26,878
try to do things in a silo. So, we would

9357
06:59:26,878 --> 06:59:29,200
I would like to see if uh, the mayor

9358
06:59:29,200 --> 06:59:32,080
would entertain us having an ad hoc

9359
06:59:32,080 --> 06:59:34,320
committee to work with the staff so that

9360
06:59:34,320 --> 06:59:37,120
way we're a bit more involved in um, in

9361
06:59:37,120 --> 06:59:39,920
what ordinance comes to this body. So, I

9362
06:59:39,920 --> 06:59:41,680
would like to be involved as much as

9363
06:59:41,680 --> 06:59:43,200
possible so I can share those best

9364
06:59:43,200 --> 06:59:45,840
practices and I welcome the mayor to to

9365
06:59:45,840 --> 06:59:47,440
determine who else would be part of

9366
06:59:47,440 --> 06:59:48,160
that.

9367
06:59:48,160 --> 06:59:49,840
>> Thank you.

9368
06:59:49,840 --> 06:59:51,440
And Mr. City attorney, do we have to

9369
06:59:51,440 --> 06:59:54,160
determine that now?

9370
06:59:54,160 --> 06:59:54,558
>> No.

9371
06:59:54,558 --> 06:59:57,520
>> Um, mayor, the uh council, uh, that

9372
06:59:57,520 --> 06:59:59,520
could be part of the motion or it could

9373
06:59:59,520 --> 07:00:01,120
just be part of the motion. Could be the

9374
07:00:01,120 --> 07:00:03,040
mayor could select the ad hoc committee

9375
07:00:03,040 --> 07:00:04,240
members. Either way,

9376
07:00:04,240 --> 07:00:07,040
>> so we'll have that the that I'll select

9377
07:00:07,040 --> 07:00:09,440
the council members at the ad hoc and

9378
07:00:09,440 --> 07:00:11,040
move from there. Okay.

9379
07:00:11,040 --> 07:00:12,320
>> Is there a second on that?

9380
07:00:12,320 --> 07:00:16,628
>> Second.

9381
07:00:16,638 --> 07:00:18,478
» No mic needed. [laughter]

9382
07:00:18,478 --> 07:00:20,000
>> Okay. You can go ahead and enter your

9383
07:00:20,000 --> 07:00:21,360
vote now.

9384
07:00:21,360 --> 07:00:22,160
>> And mayor, [clears throat] for

9385
07:00:22,160 --> 07:00:23,440
clarification, you said you would make

9386
07:00:23,440 --> 07:00:25,040
those appointments after.

9387
07:00:25,040 --> 07:00:28,310
>> Okay.

9388
07:00:28,320 --> 07:00:30,878
All eyes. Motion carries.

9389
07:00:30,878 --> 07:00:31,520
>> Thank you,

9390
07:00:31,520 --> 07:00:33,920
>> Council Member Compulse.

9391
07:00:33,920 --> 07:00:39,440
So, I would like to move or uh bring a

9392
07:00:39,440 --> 07:00:41,200
citywide

9393
07:00:41,200 --> 07:00:44,240
ban on data centers in the city of

9394
07:00:44,240 --> 07:00:46,000
Ventura

9395
07:00:46,000 --> 07:00:49,440
citywide. And I would like to ask uh

9396
07:00:49,440 --> 07:00:51,760
that that be dealt with by the city

9397
07:00:51,760 --> 07:00:55,270
attorney staff.

9398
07:00:55,280 --> 07:00:57,680
Mayor, I think we can um and maybe just

9399
07:00:57,680 --> 07:01:01,120
for Council Member Comos, it may be uh a

9400
07:01:01,120 --> 07:01:02,718
little easier to come back sort of in a

9401
07:01:02,718 --> 07:01:04,080
two-step approach where we come back

9402
07:01:04,080 --> 07:01:06,878
with information on sort of what uh ban

9403
07:01:06,878 --> 07:01:08,080
might look like and we'd have to work

9404
07:01:08,080 --> 07:01:10,000
with community development staff to kind

9405
07:01:10,000 --> 07:01:12,400
of understand um the existing rules and

9406
07:01:12,400 --> 07:01:14,638
what that might look like and then when

9407
07:01:14,638 --> 07:01:16,080
we come back with an information item,

9408
07:01:16,080 --> 07:01:18,478
the council could direct um what we

9409
07:01:18,478 --> 07:01:20,400
might prepare um and come back with if

9410
07:01:20,400 --> 07:01:21,840
it's so inclined.

9411
07:01:21,840 --> 07:01:24,478
>> Thank could I have a question. Could we

9412
07:01:24,478 --> 07:01:28,240
um as council

9413
07:01:28,240 --> 07:01:30,878
would we be able to write a letter

9414
07:01:30,878 --> 07:01:33,760
opposing data centers because it's not

9415
07:01:33,760 --> 07:01:35,200
technically our jurisdiction, right?

9416
07:01:35,200 --> 07:01:38,000
It's the uh fairgrounds.

9417
07:01:38,000 --> 07:01:39,360
>> I guess if we're talking about the one

9418
07:01:39,360 --> 07:01:40,878
of the fairgrounds, my understanding is

9419
07:01:40,878 --> 07:01:42,240
that that's within the city's

9420
07:01:42,240 --> 07:01:43,760
jurisdiction. It's a question of sort of

9421
07:01:43,760 --> 07:01:46,160
what zoning uh rights we would have, but

9422
07:01:46,160 --> 07:01:49,120
it's at least within city limits. Um I I

9423
07:01:49,120 --> 07:01:53,280
uh um if it were something different

9424
07:01:53,280 --> 07:01:56,878
than a moratorum citywide if it were to

9425
07:01:56,878 --> 07:01:58,958
explore what we could do pertaining to

9426
07:01:58,958 --> 07:02:02,240
the uh proposal at the uh county

9427
07:02:02,240 --> 07:02:05,280
fairgrounds. Um if that's the request I

9428
07:02:05,280 --> 07:02:06,638
mean that's something different but if

9429
07:02:06,638 --> 07:02:07,600
that's something more

9430
07:02:07,600 --> 07:02:10,718
>> if we could do both

9431
07:02:10,718 --> 07:02:12,320
>> I think I mean we can come back I think

9432
07:02:12,320 --> 07:02:16,160
with an exposition on both um options

9433
07:02:16,160 --> 07:02:18,320
with the county pertaining to the the

9434
07:02:18,320 --> 07:02:21,840
fairgrounds and then separately uh what

9435
07:02:21,840 --> 07:02:24,320
uh citywide ban uh what that might look

9436
07:02:24,320 --> 07:02:26,400
like and then the council can so direct

9437
07:02:26,400 --> 07:02:27,600
us from there.

9438
07:02:27,600 --> 07:02:29,120
>> Okay. Thank you.

9439
07:02:29,120 --> 07:02:30,958
>> And I I can support that.

9440
07:02:30,958 --> 07:02:33,920
>> Thank you.

9441
07:02:33,920 --> 07:02:36,718
Okay. So, we have a

9442
07:02:36,718 --> 07:02:39,840
motion in a second.

9443
07:02:39,840 --> 07:02:49,990
>> Okay. You can enter your vote now.

9444
07:02:50,000 --> 07:02:51,680
» Waiting on one more vote to be entered.

9445
07:02:51,680 --> 07:02:55,360
All votes have now been entered.

9446
07:02:55,360 --> 07:02:58,958
Seven eyes and the motion carries.

9447
07:02:58,958 --> 07:03:02,000
>> Okay. Thank you. Um, moving on to our

9448
07:03:02,000 --> 07:03:05,040
second part of public communications.

9449
07:03:05,040 --> 07:03:07,680
Do we have any additional public

9450
07:03:07,680 --> 07:03:08,798
comments?

9451
07:03:08,798 --> 07:03:12,478
>> Uh, we do. We have uh Bert Handy.

9452
07:03:12,478 --> 07:03:16,788
Bert, you have three minutes.

9453
07:03:16,798 --> 07:03:18,160
» Good evening, council. I couldn't make

9454
07:03:18,160 --> 07:03:19,920
it earlier tonight, so it's sort of

9455
07:03:19,920 --> 07:03:23,280
nice. Um, in regards to your flock

9456
07:03:23,280 --> 07:03:26,400
issued situation, I agree with the city

9457
07:03:26,400 --> 07:03:28,798
manager in regards to finding out if

9458
07:03:28,798 --> 07:03:30,878
there are other agencies that are

9459
07:03:30,878 --> 07:03:32,400
putting them in the city, and it would

9460
07:03:32,400 --> 07:03:35,680
be nice to know that. Um, I also agree

9461
07:03:35,680 --> 07:03:38,798
with the agreement tonight to have the

9462
07:03:38,798 --> 07:03:41,920
chief come back and explain

9463
07:03:41,920 --> 07:03:44,320
where they are in the city, what they

9464
07:03:44,320 --> 07:03:47,120
are using the information for, how long

9465
07:03:47,120 --> 07:03:49,600
they're keeping the information, and

9466
07:03:49,600 --> 07:03:51,200
what are they doing with the information

9467
07:03:51,200 --> 07:03:53,920
that they are getting. Are they giving

9468
07:03:53,920 --> 07:03:56,718
it to other agencies?

9469
07:03:56,718 --> 07:03:58,638
How are they using the information that

9470
07:03:58,638 --> 07:04:00,240
they're gathering from the flock

9471
07:04:00,240 --> 07:04:02,558
cameras? I believe that's really

9472
07:04:02,558 --> 07:04:04,718
important with all the current

9473
07:04:04,718 --> 07:04:08,478
conversation that's going on about block

9474
07:04:08,478 --> 07:04:11,840
cameras. In regards to the fairgrounds,

9475
07:04:11,840 --> 07:04:14,320
they have a meeting next Tuesday and

9476
07:04:14,320 --> 07:04:16,718
there was a meeting tonight at Topa to

9477
07:04:16,718 --> 07:04:21,440
talk about the shall we say the centers

9478
07:04:21,440 --> 07:04:24,320
and they are very very adverse to it and

9479
07:04:24,320 --> 07:04:27,280
they don't want it around. So, that is

9480
07:04:27,280 --> 07:04:28,478
something that's going to be coming up

9481
07:04:28,478 --> 07:04:32,000
next Tuesday at the uh Ventura County

9482
07:04:32,000 --> 07:04:34,638
Board of Directors meeting if anybody's

9483
07:04:34,638 --> 07:04:37,760
interested. Um,

9484
07:04:37,760 --> 07:04:39,040
and the other what was the other thing

9485
07:04:39,040 --> 07:04:40,878
that we came up today that we voted on?

9486
07:04:40,878 --> 07:04:44,558
What was the other thing, Mike?

9487
07:04:44,558 --> 07:04:48,718
That the last thing here.

9488
07:04:48,718 --> 07:04:51,600
Okay. Anyway, my mind's sort of going

9489
07:04:51,600 --> 07:04:53,280
off because I I think about all these

9490
07:04:53,280 --> 07:04:54,798
things, but thank you for your time and

9491
07:04:54,798 --> 07:04:56,478
enjoy your evening.

9492
07:04:56,478 --> 07:04:56,958
>> Thank you.

9493
07:04:56,958 --> 07:04:59,680
>> Our next speaker, Spencer Norin. Spencer

9494
07:04:59,680 --> 07:05:03,360
Norin. Going once, going twice.

9495
07:05:03,360 --> 07:05:07,840
Our final speaker is Nirvonica. Nirvana.

9496
07:05:07,840 --> 07:05:09,680
>> Going once.

9497
07:05:09,680 --> 07:05:13,360
>> Going twice. Nirvana, you're up. And

9498
07:05:13,360 --> 07:05:14,958
that concludes public comment. Mayor,

9499
07:05:14,958 --> 07:05:16,400
after Nirvana,

9500
07:05:16,400 --> 07:05:18,160
>> thank you.

9501
07:05:18,160 --> 07:05:23,200
Can you uh put the slide up

9502
07:05:23,200 --> 07:05:27,040
>> and give me my three seconds back?

9503
07:05:27,040 --> 07:05:29,600
>> Okay. Whenever you're ready. Okay. I

9504
07:05:29,600 --> 07:05:32,558
want everybody to look at this video.

9505
07:05:32,558 --> 07:05:35,040
Can you put it back up?

9506
07:05:35,040 --> 07:05:38,000
Keep it up.

9507
07:05:38,000 --> 07:05:39,680
Okay. I want everybody to look at this

9508
07:05:39,680 --> 07:05:41,200
video.

9509
07:05:41,200 --> 07:05:43,600
This is Zack Kimble and Spencer Noran

9510
07:05:43,600 --> 07:05:51,680
there. Okay. Okay. And Zach Kimble ran a website on uh Instagram called Cleanup

9511
07:05:51,680 --> 07:05:53,520
Ventura.

9512
07:05:53,520 --> 07:05:57,520
And on and if you look at him right now,

9513
07:05:57,520 --> 07:06:00,718
he's given the sign of Moolok.

9514
07:06:00,718 --> 07:06:03,440
This is I love you. This is devil horns.

9515
07:06:03,440 --> 07:06:05,760
And this is the sign of Moolok. And I'm

9516
07:06:05,760 --> 07:06:08,000
like like my father Luke. I write books

9517
07:06:08,000 --> 07:06:10,000
and I wrote a book called The Sign of

9518
07:06:10,000 --> 07:06:11,920
Moolok.

9519
07:06:11,920 --> 07:06:13,360
Okay. [clears throat]

9520
07:06:13,360 --> 07:06:16,558
It's not a good thing. And what who Molo

9521
07:06:16,558 --> 07:06:21,360
is is the god of human sacrifice.

9522
07:06:21,360 --> 07:06:24,080
And um

9523
07:06:24,080 --> 07:06:25,680
I've already pointed out that Zach

9524
07:06:25,680 --> 07:06:28,798
Kimbell's a liar. I've already proved it

9525
07:06:28,798 --> 07:06:31,520
by going back and looking at previous

9526
07:06:31,520 --> 07:06:34,400
public comments, him coming in here and

9527
07:06:34,400 --> 07:06:38,310
lying. Well,

9528
07:06:38,320 --> 07:06:40,798
Spencer Noran told me he didn't know

9529
07:06:40,798 --> 07:06:42,958
Zack Kimble. didn't know anything about

9530
07:06:42,958 --> 07:06:47,120
Cleanup Ventura, which is untrue also.

9531
07:06:47,120 --> 07:06:48,718
Okay. Now, these guys come in here and

9532
07:06:48,718 --> 07:06:51,280
they talk about integrity.

9533
07:06:51,280 --> 07:06:52,798
But I want to tell you something right

9534
07:06:52,798 --> 07:06:56,798
now. I've got more integrity in my pinky

9535
07:06:56,798 --> 07:06:58,878
fingers,

9536
07:06:58,878 --> 07:07:00,878
in my pinky finger, than these guys got

9537
07:07:00,878 --> 07:07:04,000
in their whole entire bodies.

9538
07:07:04,000 --> 07:07:05,760
Okay?

9539
07:07:05,760 --> 07:07:07,920
And how can you allow people to come in

9540
07:07:07,920 --> 07:07:10,160
here and lie

9541
07:07:10,160 --> 07:07:13,040
to get their way?

9542
07:07:13,040 --> 07:07:15,200
That's not integrity

9543
07:07:15,200 --> 07:07:17,200
at all.

9544
07:07:17,200 --> 07:07:21,200
And I've been threatened by these guys,

9545
07:07:21,200 --> 07:07:23,920
too, with violence. These guys are

9546
07:07:23,920 --> 07:07:26,638
tough. These guys are tough guys when

9547
07:07:26,638 --> 07:07:28,958
they're picking on

9548
07:07:28,958 --> 07:07:30,558
elderly

9549
07:07:30,558 --> 07:07:34,558
senior citizens and disabled people.

9550
07:07:34,558 --> 07:07:36,160
There are city council members that he's

9551
07:07:36,160 --> 07:07:38,558
threatened to. And I was I was having a

9552
07:07:38,558 --> 07:07:41,760
conversation with Alex Mangane and got

9553
07:07:41,760 --> 07:07:44,558
rudely interrupted

9554
07:07:44,558 --> 07:07:46,478
by Spencer Norin. He just comes right up

9555
07:07:46,478 --> 07:07:48,478
and interrupts the conversation I was

9556
07:07:48,478 --> 07:07:50,478
having with him. Is that appropriate? I

9557
07:07:50,478 --> 07:07:54,160
don't think so. Well,

9558
07:07:54,160 --> 07:07:58,160
what goeth around? [panting and sighs]

9559
07:07:58,160 --> 07:08:00,638
What goes around [singing] comes right

9560
07:08:00,638 --> 07:08:07,520
back around to bite you in the booty.

9561
07:08:07,520 --> 07:08:12,708
It's rock dog la.

9562
07:08:12,718 --> 07:08:18,390
Rock dog philosophy.

9563
07:08:18,400 --> 07:08:20,958
» Thank you. I think that's all I got time

9564
07:08:20,958 --> 07:08:22,080
for, but

9565
07:08:22,080 --> 07:08:22,478
>> thank you.

9566
07:08:22,478 --> 07:08:24,558
everyone for giving me freedom

9567
07:08:24,558 --> 07:08:25,360
of expression.

9568
07:08:25,360 --> 07:08:27,680
>> That concludes public comment. Thank you

9569
07:08:27,680 --> 07:08:30,400
so much. Um, we have reached our uh

9570
07:08:30,400 --> 07:08:32,320
ending of our meeting. Uh, tonight we

9571
07:08:32,320 --> 07:08:36,160
will be adjourning in memory of Jackie

9572
07:08:36,160 --> 07:08:38,000
the bald eagle.

9573
07:08:38,000 --> 07:08:40,558
>> Thank you. Um, our next regular meeting

9574
07:08:40,558 --> 07:08:43,040
will be Tuesday, August 25th. Um, thank

9575
07:08:43,040 --> 07:08:44,558
you everyone for hanging in there with

9576
07:08:44,558 --> 07:08:47,280
us and good to have you here. Good

9577
07:08:47,280 --> 07:08:51,080
night. Meeting adjourned.