[4:41] Sorry about that. We're just waiting on some technical issues. Good evening. [4:47] Just wanted to do that one last time. My name is Rachel Diamond. This is the City [4:50] of Ventura director's hearing. I'm uh again, Rachel Diamond. I'm the community [4:54] development director. Um and I'm the hearing officer this evening. Um, [4:58] tonight is a special meeting of the um, director's hearing. Um, and um, just [5:06] going through the agenda here. Um, I do want to acknowledge that we're gathered [5:10] on unseated Chumash land. We do have a city council adopted Chumash land [5:15] acknowledgement. Um, and we have a link in our agenda if you'd like to see that [5:19] full acknowledgement. Um, if anyone does have public comment, you can give a [5:23] speaker slip to the clerk. Um, we have just called to order. Um, and next we'll [5:29] go to public communications, which is a time set aside during the hearing for [5:33] members of the public to address me on any planning related business, anything [5:37] other than scheduled agenda items. Madame Clerk, do we have any members of [5:41] the public who wish to speak during this item? [5:44] » Thank you, Director Diamond. No public communications. [5:46] » Okay, moving along, we have our consent items. Um there is one item on consent [5:53] which is just the con um approval of the minutes from July 20th. I went through [5:57] those and looked at the um video and I will go ahead and um approve those [6:02] minutes unless do we have any speakers on the consent agenda? [6:06] » No speakers. >> Thank you for that. So I'll go ahead and [6:09] approve the minutes as provided in the draft. Um moving along to our public [6:14] hearing items. Um, our first item, we actually have two items on public [6:18] hearings. Um, let's go ahead and move forward with project 261 1150. Um, which [6:26] is an off- streetet parking agreement at 1973 East Main Street. And we have Grant [6:31] White with us. Oh, no. We have Ruby with us this evening, uh, with the [6:35] presentation. >> Yes. Good afternoon. My name is Ruby [6:39] Triggero, assistant planner in the community development department, [6:42] presenting on behalf of my colleague, acting senior planner Grant White. And [6:46] the agenda item before you is a request for a use permit to permit an off- [6:50] streetet agreement, parking agreement, and minor design review for a new [6:53] commercial daycare. [6:58] The project site is located [7:03] at 1971 through 1975 East Main Street within the Midtown community. The [7:08] approximately 7,750 foot project site is a mixeduse site [7:12] developed with two structures. The property is zoned T4.5 Urban General and [7:18] is regulated by the Midtown Quarters Development Code. Surrounding uses are [7:22] primarily commercial in character. To the west store a restaurant, a Pilates [7:25] studio, and a corner market with various commercial businesses located east and [7:29] south of the project site. A single family residence is located directly [7:33] north of the site. The proposed project includes the [7:39] request for a use permit to authorize the majority of the required off- [7:42] streetet parking spaces to be to be provided at an off-site location. [7:47] Additionally, the project includes the request for a minor design review to [7:50] construct an outdoor playground area at the rear to support the licensed daycare [7:55] use. And in conjunction with these entitlements, tenant improvements would [7:58] convert the interior commercial space to a daycare use, including a co-working [8:02] room and preschool. Not included in the project scope of work is the existing [8:07] residence located on the second floor. This unit would be maintained as is with [8:11] no changes proposed. As seen in the depicted site plan, [8:17] building A fronts East Main Street as a two-story structure with commercial on [8:21] the ground floor and one residential unit on the second floor. Building B [8:25] sits at the rear of the property at approximately 1,000 square feet. And the [8:30] proposed project will utilize the ground floor space of both building A and B. [8:35] Between the two structures, the existing paved area would be converted to [8:39] construct an outdoor play area and two sparking parking spaces would be [8:43] provided on site. One ADA parking space and one space reserved for the upstairs [8:47] residential unit. At the street frontage off Main Street, the applicant has [8:52] requested a 46 46 foot wide loading zone to be striped to accommodate multiple [8:58] daily drop off and pickup windows which the transportation division mentioned [9:01] they are amendable to that request. [9:07] And due to the maximization of the project site for proposed childcare [9:10] operations, a use permit has been submitted for allowance of an off- [9:13] streetet parking agreement between the project applicant, Blue Crush, and a [9:17] neighboring church property, Community Presbyterian Church, located about half [9:22] mile away at 1555 Poli Street. Consistent with the requirements of the [9:28] zoning ordinance, the applicant has submitted a use permit and signed lease [9:31] agreement between Blue Crush and Community Presbyterian Church to allow [9:35] for the 15 parking spaces to be provided off-site at the church to allow parking [9:40] of its employees. Blue Crush off-site parking spaces will be clearly labeled [9:44] and reserved within the church's parking lot that currently provides up to 150 [9:48] parking spaces. [9:52] And to accommodate the spaces at the church site, the applicant will provide [9:55] a shuttle service to its employees. Two morning shuttles at 6:45 and 8:15 a.m. [10:01] will drop off teachers at the child care center, and two shuttles will return the [10:04] employees to the off-site parking lot at 3:45 and 5:15 p.m. For daily childare [10:10] operations, the applicant has proposed utilizing the front curb as a designated [10:14] loading zone for parent drop off and pickup and to avoid reliance on the [10:18] alley um in the rear for child access. And those drop off and pickup windows [10:23] happen three times during the day for classes at 7:15, 8:15 a.m., and 12:30 [10:28] p.m. [10:32] The proposed minor design review proposes the construction of a 2,000 [10:36] square foot nature playscape outdoor area utilizing a portion of the existing [10:41] parking lot area. Consistent with the daycare state licency requirement, the [10:45] new outdoor area will be provided for use of child care at the day for [10:49] children at the daycare emphasizing an outdoor play environment. [10:55] And the proposed project is category categorically exempt from the California [10:59] Environmental Quality Act as provided under section 15303 of the sequelines [11:04] and therefore no further environmental review is required. [11:11] Staff is recommending that the community development director approve the project [11:15] as condition and please note that an updated resolution has been prepared for [11:19] this item and this concludes staff's presentation and I'm available for any [11:23] questions. >> Thank you. Excellent presentation. No [11:26] notes, no questions. Applicants, do you have anything you'd like to add? You [11:30] have how many minutes? >> Three minutes if or you're welcome to [11:34] come up. Are they present? [11:38] » Available for questions if you want to come up [11:42] if you don't mind. >> Did you call me? [11:45] » No, I didn't. >> Oh, I'm sorry. [11:47] » First, just the applicant, then we'll get to members of the public. [11:55] » Hi, I'm the I'm the director at the Midtown location. and I'm here on behalf [12:00] of Melissa who is the um owner and applicant for this project. Um I just [12:05] wanted to say that we really appreciate you guys reviewing this. We are um we [12:10] have our first location over downtown just a couple blocks from here. We've [12:14] built this location um with a similar structure, small amount of parking, [12:19] large amount of outdoor play space for young children. Most of our staff walk [12:23] to school or carpool to school. Um, we do utilize like farther away parking [12:28] spots and walk into the space. Our, uh, parents do loading and unloading, [12:33] 10-minute drop off, and it works really, really effectively. Um, and so we're [12:36] grateful for your consideration of this proposal. I'm happy to answer any [12:40] questions as well. >> Great. Thank you. Um, I'll come back to [12:44] you if I have questions. Um, but it's more comments, so I don't want to make [12:47] you stand there. Do we have any members of the public who wish to speak? [12:50] » Uh, yes, director. We have two public comments. [12:53] » Great. >> First will be Ray Hennessy. followed by [12:55] William Groden. You'll each have three minutes. [13:01] » Good afternoon. >> Could you bring the graphic up that you [13:06] just had as far as showing the new uh playground, [13:11] proposed playground? There you go. Um [13:15] again, my name is Ray Hennessy. I've been a resident here in Ventura for [13:20] since 1977. um moved to this location which is that [13:25] house right there on the right hand side of the playground [13:29] uh where my two living room windows are. Uh lived there for six years and just [13:36] let me say that I would be the last person in the world that would move in [13:40] next to an airport and then complain about the noise. Um, but this because [13:46] I'm pretty much semi-retired and serve the community and half a dozen [13:52] different organizations, I am at my house frequently and uh [13:57] having a playground right outside my living room windows uh would be less [14:03] than ideal for me. So, thank you for the consideration. [14:10] » Thank you. [14:14] William. [14:23] » Hi, Rachel. Um, William Grouden. I'm the uh I'm the business owner at 1963. He's [14:29] uh on Main Street and my wife has a plotty studio that you mentioned and my [14:34] architect's office is there. Um I will be directly impacted by the project and [14:41] I support it. 100%. Um, I look forward to the kids noise. I I used to live next [14:48] to the school, which I miss the kids actually being loud. I don't I don't [14:53] worry about the drop off. Um, I don't have really any objections and I support [14:57] staff for uh for you to recommend approval. Um, [15:03] I do and I I've talked to a lot of the neighbors of the other businesses, which [15:08] I know I'm not really supposed to talk uh speak for them, but everybody I've [15:11] spoke to has been in support of it. So, thank you. [15:15] » Thank you for that. Um, I do have a question. Oh, do we have another [15:19] speaker? >> That concludes public comments. [15:23] » Did you want to speak? >> Yes. Hi, I'm Linda Callas. I am the [15:27] property owner of 1974 to 1998 East Main Street across the street, directly [15:33] across the street. So, um I'm wondering how this is going to impact with this [15:39] lane, how it's going to impact the traffic there. uh there is not a lot of [15:43] parking and um I didn't see any sort of adjustment to [15:51] uh the flow of traffic through there with the drop off directly across from [15:57] my businesses. Um and as far as the gentleman saying he [16:02] talked to everybody um the my tenants are not supportive of this because of [16:08] the traffic issue. Thank you. Thank you. Um any other [16:14] speakers, Madam Clerk? >> Um no other speakers. [16:18] » Um to the woman who just spoke, if you could fill out a speaker card. Um [16:22] typically you fill out a card first. You were up there. It's great. Um but this [16:26] way we have in the record all your info. If you um can provide that. Um can I [16:30] have the applicant up here again? I just have some questions. So obviously you've [16:34] heard some concerns. Um for any of us who have dropped off our own children at [16:40] um child care, it I mean drop off is always a challenging time. Um how do you [16:45] plan to deal with pickup drop off? How do you make it work? Do you phase pickup [16:52] drop off people? I know there's some conditions as well that get into this. [16:55] So I'm going to ask you about your process and then I'm going to ask staff [16:58] how we're conditioning this to kind of keep these things in in check. So that's [17:02] where we'll go from there. >> Yeah, absolutely. So we have a few [17:06] different pickup and drop off times slated. So it's not our first location [17:11] here. We're 9 to5. So pretty much all families drop off at 9:00 and most of [17:15] the families pick up at 5. But here we're going to be phasing it. So I think [17:19] you heard part of that will be a 7:30 option, an 8:15 option, a 9:00 a.m. [17:23] option. And so that helps spread it out throughout the morning so that it's not [17:27] all congested all at one time. Similarly for pickup, we max the children out at 8 [17:32] hours a day. So then, right, the 7:15 becomes a 3:15, the 8:15 becomes a 415, [17:38] etc. So that's how we plan on staggering it. Also, we do plan on having 75 [17:43] families on site, but my apologies, 75 children on site, but a lot of those are [17:49] multiple children families, right? The most common age gap between children is [17:53] two to three years. And so typically we expect that there will be a lot of [17:56] duplicates coming into the site. Um, and that being said, if we carve out that [18:01] space, that loading zone that we discussed, um, it shouldn't impede the [18:04] flow of traffic if parents are just pulling over, they're dropping off their [18:08] children, um, and then they're able to walk out, return to their cars after [18:12] less than 10 minutes and head out. >> So, is there do you anticipate having [18:16] staff greet the parents outside? >> Yeah, that's absolutely something that [18:21] we can work on is having staff that are able to support with the drop off [18:25] because it can be challenging if your child's all the way in the back. you [18:28] know, we want to make sure that we're creating space so that parents can stay [18:31] within that 10-minute window. >> Okay. [18:33] » Um I'm sorry to to interrupt. I did want to let you know that the business owner [18:37] is on Zoom if you'd like to ask questions directly to her. [18:40] » Okay. I mean, I I'm happy for anyone to answer. So, if the business owner, while [18:45] you're on Zoom, if you want to jump in, perhaps um she can raise her hand and [18:50] then if you could just let me know. She's raising her hand. [18:52] » Can you can you hear me? >> Yes, absolutely. Feel free to jump in [18:55] anytime. Sorry, I had I had hands raised to try and um also answer the question [19:00] from the neighbor that's living right beside us if that's helpful. [19:04] » Sure. Yeah, I'm open to really I don't know if we can if we need this in the [19:09] use permit, but I'm open to building block wall and we were going to make [19:13] that wall next to his house an orchard anyway, so it has trees along it, which [19:18] is known as a green buffer. But I'm really open to putting a block wall [19:22] behind that if that's helpful with the sound barrier. [19:25] » Can you put up the um the picture of the the playground, the rendering? Is it [19:32] possible to get that up there while we look? Oh, perfect. So, it looks like a [19:37] wall. Now, is that not going to be a wall along that side? [19:41] » It was a It was a wooden fence, which is what's required by state licensing. [19:46] » Okay. >> And so, you have to have a six foot high [19:48] fence all the way around. So, that's required. So, that way children can't [19:52] jump over it, that sort of thing. But, I'm open to making that side block, [19:56] which would help with the sound buffer because we already have plants and trees [19:59] going along it as well. I mean, if you want to volunteer that, [20:03] that sounds great. So, are you okay if I condition you to and require you to do [20:07] that? This is like the moment. [laughter] [20:10] » Well, I don't want to be required to do it because I haven't quoted it yet, but [20:13] I do want to have good neighbors, right? So, we we're doing this for the [20:18] community. Just so everyone knows, 30% of Californians don't have daycare for [20:22] ages 0 to three, and 56% of Venturans don't have it. 67% of families with zero [20:27] to three children in Ventura are trying to work. So we we're fitting a a target [20:33] in the in the daycare industry right here in Ventura. We have 142 children on [20:38] our weight list. From our fir first location, we have 48 spots. So this one [20:42] we're trying to do 72. And but we want to work with the community. And the [20:46] reason why we chose Midtown is because there's so many young families that live [20:49] in Midtown. There's so many that walk their strollers to places. And we [20:53] thought, how cool would it be to bring more industry into Midtown? We just won [20:57] the new economy award for the central coast because we've created a new [21:01] economy for mothers and fathers. Uh they get to work near their children. So, but [21:05] we do want to have good neighbors. We believe in community. We believe in [21:09] getting along with people. And I would like to get this quoted out, but I don't [21:12] have a quote yet. But I I'm I'm willing to make it work. [21:16] » Okay. Um I I appreciate that. And I mean to your [21:21] point, obviously, you know, we have an extreme shortage of child care in this [21:28] community um and throughout the region. And I think just from a a use [21:32] perspective, you know, this is clearly um not oversaturated in any way. [21:38] Sometimes it feels like it in certain specific areas, but we clearly have kind [21:42] of an over um a massive need for child care. And I think figuring out ways to [21:48] fit it into spaces within the our existing community and um you know [21:53] mitigating the um potential um you know consequences of this land [21:59] use going in next door to neighbors as much as possible I think is is great. So [22:03] I appreciate hearing you want to to work with the neighbors. Um, and certainly, [22:08] you know, while you didn't move in next door with the this type of use, this is [22:12] certainly something that can go in this area and frankly at this point in the [22:16] state of California can go into, you know, regular single family homes as [22:20] well and not come to a a public hearing. So, this is more commercial in nature. [22:25] » Yeah, we're permitted by right to be in that space. So, daycare is permitted by [22:29] right for that location 1971 and 1973. What wasn't permitted and why we're [22:35] having to bring it to you is having the parking offsite. [22:38] » Right. Yeah. So, >> and the reason why we're doing that is [22:41] to try and help with parking in Midtown. So, we're actually spending an extra [22:44] $1,000 a month. Our rent is going to be $9,000. And so, it's a $10,000, you [22:49] know, incre it's an extra increase for us of $1,000 onetenth of our budget is [22:54] going to parking teachers somewhere that doesn't cause congestion in Midtown. And [22:58] that's really important to us, right? One for children's safety. And then [23:02] doing this staggered drop off is we're hoping that it helps with the traffic [23:05] because we have 12 students coming at a time, right? Which is really great. No [23:10] school I know of does that. Every school I know is like all hundred kids pop in [23:14] at the same time. So we're we're trying to help with both those things. And it [23:18] does help. The reason why we didn't want to use the alley is we don't want [23:20] children walking down the alley because it's tight. So, we wanted them on the [23:24] front road where you have a bike lane which we parents could bike and walk [23:28] their kids from the local community and also it has two lanes plus a a turn left [23:35] lane. So, it's much wider, right, for cars to pull in and then you have [23:39] parking on either side as well of the road. So, you've got a nice wide birth [23:43] and you have a sidewalk. So, that's the reason for drop off and pickup in the [23:46] front. [23:51] » Okay. Okay. Um, all right. Well, [23:56] again, I appreciate you trying to figure this out in terms of parking. Um, you [24:00] know, I think this is a great example of how you can use this type of situation [24:04] to make these sites work. Um, you know, certainly I think the um the operational [24:12] aspects of the business seem to help address some of these issues. Do we have [24:17] any of the operational stuff in our conditions that you can go over in terms [24:21] of um particularly the staggered drop off and staff being available to help [24:28] people in? >> Yes. So, the project has been [24:31] conditioned um according to what the applicant has provided in terms of the [24:36] staggered drop off um and shall traffic on Main Street be severely impacted, the [24:42] project has been conditioned to further review and perhaps an amendment and [24:46] looked into further by our public works department. [24:49] » If traffic is impacted, >> do we quantify that at all or is it just [24:54] left open-ended? Sorry, I'll pull up the language as well. [25:01] I believe if you look at condition 19, it notes these spaces shall not be [25:06] removed, reduced, um, obstructed or reassigned to other uses without prior [25:10] written approval without an amendment. So that is condition 19 and that [25:14] requires that they maintain the spaces on site. If you go to condition 17 and [25:19] 18, they further describe the 15 off- streetet parking spaces that have to be [25:23] provided at the church. [25:30] And further condition number 20 and 21 further state that any substantive [25:35] modification to the local location, length or hours of operation of the [25:39] loading zone shall be subject to review and approval by the community [25:42] development director and is applicable by the public works department. [25:48] Okay, great. Um, I appreciate the thoroughess of the conditions. I think [25:52] that these um address all of the issues that I have as far as like kid noise. [26:00] It's it is a permitted use. So, we can't really push any more conditions in terms [26:05] of um limiting that. That's just part of the reality of being next to a use like [26:10] this. And I think um you know, more broadly, you know, staggering the kids, [26:15] staggering the hours of play obviously all you know, help with that. I'm not [26:20] going to require the block wall, particularly since it sounds like you [26:23] can't quite commit to it yet. But certainly, if you want to use a block [26:27] wall instead of a wood fence, that would be fantastic and is highly encouraged. [26:31] Um, but again, I can't condition you to that. Um, so with that, I'm going to go [26:36] ahead and approve this item with all of the required conditions noted by staff [26:41] in the report and the resolution as written. So, thank you and good luck. [26:46] » Thank you. >> And thanks to everyone else who came [26:48] out. Um the next item this evening before you um we'll give it a second to [26:56] get switched over here and thank you Ruby. [27:01] Um is GG's Parklet located at 2493 Grand Avenue [27:06] for Gigi's Cocktail Lounge. Um and we have AJ Burnernhard, senior planner here [27:11] with a presentation and then it looks like Ben Turner um is the applicant's [27:16] representative. AJ whenever you are ready. [27:24] » Yeah. Good afternoon members of the public. Director Diamond last meeting. [27:29] Excited to have you on the dis one last time. [27:33] [laughter] Uh my name is AJ Burnernhard for the record and I'll be presenting [27:36] agenda item number three, the GG's Parklet. [27:40] Uh the project site is located at 2493 Grand Avenue. The site is zoned [27:45] commercial plan development and has a land use designation of mixeduse 3. On [27:50] the vicinity map to the right, you'll note the project site outlined with a [27:53] blue square. To the east is a residential neighborhood. To the north, [27:58] south, and west is commercial and industrial uses, and further to the [28:02] south is Ventura Boulevard and the 101 freeway. [28:07] The site is currently improved with a multi-tenant commercial shopping center [28:11] that was constructed in the 1960s. During CO 19, one of the tenants, the [28:17] GG's Cocktail Lounge, erected a temporary parklet in response to CO 19 [28:22] restrictions. In September of 2024, the city issued a violation for the [28:26] unpermitted use of the parklet. The project today would remove that [28:33] temporary parklet installation and replace it with a permanent parklet [28:36] installation. That parklet is comprised of a 1,270 [28:41] ft parklet that would occupy six existing parking spaces, provide an [28:46] outdoor seating area, be surrounded with six foot tall perimeter fencing, [28:51] incorporates landscape screening in front of the fencing, incorporates a [28:55] trellised roof structure, and accessible entrances to the north and south. [29:00] On the site plan to the right, you'll note the existing shopping center and [29:04] related building footprint in blue and the proposed parklet area in green. [29:11] This project requires three separate permits. First is a minor design review [29:15] which authorizes the look of the parklet. Second are minor variances [29:20] which enable deviations from our citywide parklet design guidelines and [29:23] standards. The third is an alcohol use permit which allows alcohol service and [29:28] consumption in the Parklet area. We'll start with the aesthetics and the [29:34] look of the Parklet and we'll uh and we'll share the east elevation or the [29:38] primary elevation facing Grand Avenue. I want to highlight that the proposed [29:43] structure is predominantly constructed of wood painted gray and white which [29:47] complements the existing building facade. That wood fencing is topped with [29:51] a white lattice fence topping providing some design articulation and is screened [29:56] with landscaping including ital Italian cypress and Chinese juniper trees. [30:03] Next, I'll transition to the minor variances. This project includes four [30:07] deviations from our citywide parklet design guidelines and standards. The [30:11] first of which is related to perimeter fence height. Under our current [30:15] standards, a 3 and 1/2 ft fence is permitted. The applicant is proposing a [30:20] six- foot tall perimeter fence. Staff supports this request as it buffers the [30:25] additional homes through additional screening and some modest sound [30:27] attenuation. Second relates to the shade canopy or [30:31] the roof structure which our standards require uh that the structures [30:36] constructed of soft fabric. This proposed project proposes a wood lattice [30:41] structure and in staff's review we felt it better integrated with the design of [30:45] the existing shopping center. Third is a deviation related to the [30:49] emergency access gap requirement which requires a three-foot gap for every 40 [30:54] feet of parklet length. The proposed parklet is 54t 4 in in length and [30:59] there's no emergency access gaps. We reviewed the deviation with the Ventura [31:04] fire and police departments who supported the deviation. [31:08] Relatedly, it supports ABC's licensing requirements uh pertaining to controlled [31:13] entry. Finally, our design guidelines and [31:16] standard require that the post material of the fence is painted black or [31:20] constructed of C10 steel. This project proposes gray. [31:26] This is supported as it matches the shopping center's color palette. [31:32] Finally is a request for the alcohol use permit. In reviewing the crest, in [31:37] reviewing the request with the Ventura Police Department, staff felt it was [31:40] compatible with nearby uses. Specifically, the use of screening, [31:44] fencing, landscaping, and controlled access minimize impacts to the [31:49] neighborhood. Secondly, the conditions of approval for the project are intended [31:54] to ensure responsible management and security, ultimately protecting public [31:58] safety. Third, we don't anticipate any [32:02] significant crime impacts and Ventura Police was in support of the expansion. [32:09] Staff reviewed the request in the context of the California Environmental [32:12] Quality Act and found that the project was exempt pursuant to the new [32:16] construction or conversion of small structures exemption under SQUA. [32:21] In conclusion, staff recommends that the director approves the project as [32:24] conditioned. [32:28] Thank you for the presentation. Do we have the applicant here as well? Would [32:31] you like to come up? [32:35] » Thank you, director. My name is Ben Turner. Just a quick round of thank yous [32:39] and introductions here. I have the owner, uh, Julie here, as well as the [32:43] project architect, Nicole Harding. I'm the project manager who work at Nicole [32:47] Harding Architect. I'm going to say thank you to AJ. I'm not going to repeat [32:50] uh his very thorough review and all the work that he did. uh as well as a quick [32:54] thank you to the police, fire and building departments because we had to [32:58] coordinate with them. We think this replaces the co era park lit and makes [33:02] improvements for the screening uh compatibility with the neighborhood and [33:05] visuals. So that's it. Thank you for your consideration. [33:08] » Great. Thank you for that. Uh do we have any members of the public who are here [33:11] to speak on this item? >> Thank you, Director Diamond. No public [33:14] comments. >> Okay, with that very thorough [33:17] presentation. Thank you for yours as well. No notes, no comments. Julie, good [33:21] luck to you. Approved. Thank you so much. [33:24] » Thank you. Um this is my last meeting of um as a director here um and for the [33:30] director's hearing. I really want to thank the staff. You're the best. Thank [33:32] you to the clerk's office. Thank you to the legal team. Um it's been such an [33:36] honor working here. Um and so with that, I will adjourn this meeting. Have a good [33:40] evening. [33:45] The last