1 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:17,420 Good evening. Welcome to Bernie City Council, 2 00:01:20,330 --> 00:01:37,810 public hearing on July 20, 2026. Here at said we are starting at 5.30 p.m., you'll notice it is 5.34 and the reason why it's 5.34 is that we started at 8.40 this morning and we finished at 5.15. 3 00:01:38,350 --> 00:01:43,210 So we've had a 19-minute supper break. 4 00:01:44,510 --> 00:01:46,450 Anyway, it's good to see you all this evening. 5 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,120 I'll call this public hearing order. 6 00:01:51,820 --> 00:01:54,940 As mayor, city of Vernon, and his peer to this gathering, 7 00:01:55,140 --> 00:01:57,900 I recognize the city of Vernon is located in the 8 00:01:57,900 --> 00:02:00,080 traditional territory of the sealed people of the 9 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:01,580 Oconorgan Nation. 10 00:02:06,660 --> 00:02:08,220 Those who have looked at the agenda while the 11 00:02:08,220 --> 00:02:10,100 realize that we're dealing with three items tonight, 12 00:02:10,940 --> 00:02:13,180 and we'll introduce each one one of the 13 00:02:14,020 --> 00:02:16,180 And we're going to do the first one. 14 00:02:18,210 --> 00:02:23,230 So this public hearing is convened for Zoant to Local Government Act in order to consider the following. 15 00:02:23,990 --> 00:02:31,790 Official Community Plan, Pollson Village Center, Amendment by Law 608, 0 for 2026. 16 00:02:32,990 --> 00:02:40,170 By Law 608, 0 is to redesign the property to accommodate a proposed mixed use community. 17 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:50,180 All submissions received by the deadline have been posted to the city's website for viewing and are available in the media table. 18 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,540 That's straight back there a few. 19 00:02:53,900 --> 00:02:57,500 Some people may know the guy in the back corner there. 20 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:01,700 Thank you. 21 00:03:01,700 --> 00:03:02,400 Thank you, Roger. 22 00:03:03,580 --> 00:03:06,580 Those who don't, they should know that's Roger Knox. 23 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,380 At the back of the room, there's an information binder. 24 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:17,620 Any late submissions will be noted by the corporate officer on my right to begin with the 25 00:03:17,620 --> 00:03:27,440 administration will be asked to present the application and then the applicant or here today will be asked if they would like to address their application understand they will. 26 00:03:28,500 --> 00:03:40,600 At this public hearing any person present you believe that their interest in property is affected by the proposed by law shall be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard on matters contained in the proposed by law under consideration. 27 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:47,420 All speakers please keep your presentation as concise and on topic as possible, my responsibility 28 00:03:47,420 --> 00:03:53,340 has chairs to ensure that all comments related to the matters of the proposed by law 29 00:03:53,340 --> 00:03:55,060 and not about other items. 30 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:01,820 Those of you who wish to speak concerning the proposed by law should approach the podium on 31 00:04:01,820 --> 00:04:08,280 our left on your right and commend your presentation to be counsel by slowly and clearly 32 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:16,720 stating your name and address. As well, please print your name on the speakers list at the podium, 33 00:04:16,900 --> 00:04:22,000 so we may record it accurately in the minutes. Then you may proceed with your presentation. 34 00:04:22,660 --> 00:04:28,960 This hearing is being live-streamed and video-recorded and may be accessed on the city's website. 35 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:36,880 You'll see the sign up there saying, we are on air. Members of council may ask questions of you 36 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:38,160 following your presentation. 37 00:04:38,860 --> 00:04:40,520 However, the function of the council members 38 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,280 is to listen to the views of public. 39 00:04:42,780 --> 00:04:45,380 It's not the function of council of this public hearing, 40 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:47,240 to debate the merits of these issues 41 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:48,540 within individual citizens. 42 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:53,360 Once this public hearing is closed, council cannot receive 43 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:54,660 any further input. 44 00:04:55,700 --> 00:04:57,320 During the hearing, we ask that everyone 45 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,320 be respectful of different viewpoints 46 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,480 and refrain from applause or other expressions 47 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,900 of approval or disapproval. 48 00:05:04,900 --> 00:05:16,380 At the conclusion of public hearing council will reconvene the regular open meeting in order to consider third reading of the subject by law and you will all welcome to remain in attendance. 49 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:17,960 Thank you. 50 00:05:25,770 --> 00:05:29,030 Miss Wood, can you provide the publication information? 51 00:05:30,390 --> 00:05:36,530 Your worship, it was published, published, sized in July, 9th and 16th edition of the Morningstar. 52 00:05:37,970 --> 00:05:39,390 Thank you, Miss Wood. 53 00:05:40,250 --> 00:05:45,370 Mr. Miles, can you provide Council on the public with an overview of the Official Community 54 00:05:45,370 --> 00:05:51,430 Plan, Polls and Village Centre amendment by Law 680 of 2026? 55 00:05:53,090 --> 00:05:53,850 Welcome, Mr. Miles. 56 00:05:54,330 --> 00:05:54,530 Certainly. 57 00:05:54,750 --> 00:05:55,070 Thank you. 58 00:05:55,250 --> 00:05:55,790 A Worship. 59 00:05:57,230 --> 00:06:03,410 As stated, this is an official Community Plan amendment application for 2,5001-14th Avenue. 60 00:06:04,950 --> 00:06:10,330 The purpose of this application is for a proposed future postal and village center. 61 00:06:10,910 --> 00:06:18,350 There's a number of addresses and properties that go along with this proposal that will detail in a second 62 00:06:18,350 --> 00:06:19,130 year. 63 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:22,920 So there are eight parcels in total. 64 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:24,980 The highlighted and blue on your screen there. 65 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,320 They total about 9.3 hectares or 23 acres in size. 66 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:36,620 The subject properties are in the Pulse and Neighborhood and are primarily access to a VIA Highway 6 in Kalamalka Lake Road. 67 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:44,820 The properties currently has a number of businesses including the Kalatire Head offices, being a brewing and the BC Forestry Building. 68 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:53,860 The northern properties are directly adjacent to Pulse and Mall, which has a number of amenities and clean grocery store restaurants and baking institutions. 69 00:06:53,860 --> 00:06:57,520 to the West, the Properties Board, or the CN Railway, 70 00:06:57,940 --> 00:06:59,580 Pulse and Park, and Vernon Creek. 71 00:07:02,590 --> 00:07:04,610 The current land use is a mix of desonations, 72 00:07:04,950 --> 00:07:06,750 including natural area and industrial, 73 00:07:07,270 --> 00:07:10,370 with the majority of the site designated urban neighborhood 74 00:07:10,370 --> 00:07:11,930 shown in the dark orange. 75 00:07:12,970 --> 00:07:14,490 There have been neighborhood desonation currently 76 00:07:14,490 --> 00:07:17,090 provides for a variety of residential building types, 77 00:07:17,250 --> 00:07:18,650 including apartments and townhouses, 78 00:07:20,370 --> 00:07:23,850 and a small portion of the total area is designated designated 79 00:07:23,850 --> 00:07:27,550 industrial, which are the two smaller properties in the self-west corner. 80 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:41,280 Not under review today, but for reference there's also a number of zoning designations that go along with the properties, so we could refer back to this if needed, but we won't go into detail of the zoning today. 81 00:07:43,380 --> 00:07:54,560 A quick aerial look at the properties. You can see the Caltire Office is centered in the middle with the vacant lands to the north that are adjacent to BNA brewing. 82 00:07:57,930 --> 00:08:03,290 The applicant is a provided national concept package, which was attached as part of the report for 83 00:08:03,290 --> 00:08:04,370 your review. 84 00:08:04,930 --> 00:08:10,650 A preliminary site plan shows the initial concept, and it's just to give an idea of how the 85 00:08:10,650 --> 00:08:15,690 future buildings could be integrated into the site and the existing road network. 86 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:24,080 This slide just shows an overall expansion of the concept, and on the left it shows pedestrian 87 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:31,440 and cycle proposed pedestrian cycle transactions and on the right preliminary open realm 88 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:37,740 in public space concept, which is focused on a central plazo, which is the red dot in the 89 00:08:37,740 --> 00:08:46,300 middle. Just a quick review of the OCB amendment process two day. So, an advance of this 90 00:08:46,300 --> 00:08:51,540 submission and the formal application, the applicant conducted a public engagement outreach, 91 00:08:51,540 --> 00:08:57,200 which included an open house in September of last year, the open house was held at BNA 92 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:04,320 Brewing, adjacent with more than 160 people and attendance, and that summary of that engagement 93 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:11,620 is attached to the report. Following that, the application was accepted in February, went 94 00:09:11,620 --> 00:09:17,340 through a planning review and referral in March. It was considered by the APC and May, 95 00:09:17,340 --> 00:09:25,980 which supported the application and first and second readings in June, which leads us to today for public hearing and potentially third reading. 96 00:09:29,390 --> 00:09:33,730 On a broader level, I just to give a recap on the overall development process. 97 00:09:34,430 --> 00:09:38,830 We are at the left side here, which is the OCP amendment stage. 98 00:09:39,870 --> 00:09:47,250 And prior to adoption, we have to go through the public hearing, but at this point there are no other requirements or conditions on the OCP amendment stage. 99 00:09:47,250 --> 00:09:59,170 After that is the rezoning stage which a lot of the technical studies and requirements will come in, including the site disclosure statement and provincial approval for that. 100 00:09:59,830 --> 00:10:04,210 The traffic impact assessment and provincial approval there. 101 00:10:04,790 --> 00:10:13,110 There is currently a TIA ongoing between the city, MOT and the applicants currently. 102 00:10:13,810 --> 00:10:17,070 other infrastructure improvements can involve the 103 00:10:17,070 --> 00:10:21,090 realignment of 26th Street, transit improvements, and this is where a 104 00:10:21,090 --> 00:10:27,010 detailed service agreement would come in. After that, development permits, 105 00:10:27,530 --> 00:10:30,730 any needed subdivisions in building permits would come in, and that's where 106 00:10:30,990 --> 00:10:34,770 form and character guidelines of any buildings would be done. That's when you get 107 00:10:34,770 --> 00:10:39,110 your detailed architectural designs and elevations and that sort of 108 00:10:39,110 --> 00:10:40,270 design level. 109 00:10:43,100 --> 00:10:50,260 In regards to the overall growth strategy of the city of Vernon, it provides 110 00:10:50,260 --> 00:10:57,040 a couple of these key criteria, including increasing housing and designated areas where infrastructure 111 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:04,020 already exists or planned. So this proposal would allow for a mixed use village center and 112 00:11:04,020 --> 00:11:11,220 allow for greater intensive commercial opportunities and height within this area. It is also within 113 00:11:11,220 --> 00:11:14,540 the current urban containment boundary and focused growth boundary. 114 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:22,920 The report provides a more detailed policy analysis, but just a few have been highlighted 115 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:27,160 here, including housing types and tenures. 116 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:36,240 This proposal could provide a mix of housing types, including missing middle typeologies 117 00:11:36,540 --> 00:11:37,880 to help the area. 118 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:43,780 jobs and employment and the proposal is adjacent to a number of nearby commercial and industrial 119 00:11:43,780 --> 00:11:49,880 and utility employers and again would increase some residential density in the area. 120 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:58,800 So administration is supporting the proposed OCP amendment again because it's in the urban 121 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:04,800 contaminant and focus growth boundary would increase commercial and residential opportunities for the area. 122 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:10,700 It would also utilize existing Park Connections and Transportation Connections, including the 123 00:12:10,700 --> 00:12:16,840 Kalmelka multi-use path and, again, the adjacency to Paulson Park and other amenities 124 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:18,900 for a walkable neighborhood. 125 00:12:20,220 --> 00:12:21,520 That concludes staff remarks. 126 00:12:21,940 --> 00:12:22,020 Thank you. 127 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:25,180 Thank you. 128 00:12:26,340 --> 00:12:26,940 Thank you. 129 00:12:26,940 --> 00:12:27,560 Thank you, Miss Miles. 130 00:12:29,540 --> 00:12:29,900 Council? 131 00:12:30,180 --> 00:12:30,760 Any questions? 132 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:31,880 question also? 133 00:12:33,530 --> 00:12:38,750 Tony question I have is anything shifted from the time council have seen this before 134 00:12:38,750 --> 00:12:40,290 tonight's public hearing. 135 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:47,660 In regards to the application itself remains the same, there has been no changes. 136 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:49,300 Thank you. 137 00:12:54,340 --> 00:12:57,260 Seeing no more questions to council? 138 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:02,980 Yeah, applicant. 139 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,580 With the applicant like to make a presentation. 140 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:10,700 Good 141 00:13:24,910 --> 00:13:27,130 evening, Mayor and Council. 142 00:13:29,330 --> 00:13:32,330 I'm here tonight to talk about the via district, 143 00:13:32,330 --> 00:13:34,170 my name is Andrew Kerbis, 144 00:13:34,830 --> 00:13:38,130 and I'm the Executive Managing Director at Eruly Real Estate. 145 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,380 I'll keep this short and sweet since you guys have been here since 840. 146 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,540 Via district represents discussions and planning 147 00:13:47,540 --> 00:13:54,180 that span many years, maybe even close to two decades since we've owned that property. 148 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:59,000 For air relief, this is more than a development project. 149 00:13:59,340 --> 00:14:02,160 It's a long-term investment in our hometown. 150 00:14:03,680 --> 00:14:09,620 As you likely already know, we're a burning-based organization with deep roots in the community. 151 00:14:11,220 --> 00:14:19,520 We are committed to creating a neighborhood that adds lasting value for the residents, businesses, and future generations. 152 00:14:20,660 --> 00:14:28,860 Thank you to Council, staff, and everyone who participated in the process, we appreciate your 153 00:14:28,860 --> 00:14:30,000 consideration tonight. 154 00:14:43,460 --> 00:14:46,380 Council, any questions for Harold Leaf? 155 00:14:54,550 --> 00:14:59,670 All right, we'll move to the next item, which is representation. 156 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:06,620 The public. Miss Wood, do we have any written submissions not included in the public agenda? 157 00:15:07,940 --> 00:15:11,920 Your worship, there are two items that have been received following publication of the agenda. 158 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:25,000 An email dated July 17th from S. Hoburg, and an email dated July 20th from B. Taylor, both of which have been provided to council have been included on the website and in the back, table. 159 00:15:30,090 --> 00:15:32,950 council, you have the paper in front of you? 160 00:15:42,130 --> 00:15:44,130 Okay, now it's time to hear from the public. 161 00:15:45,930 --> 00:15:52,430 I would like to call for a first time for representation from the public in attendance, who would like to speak to this application. 162 00:15:55,220 --> 00:15:56,060 Feel free. 163 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:07,200 It's all good. 164 00:16:07,460 --> 00:16:09,820 It's all good. 165 00:16:10,140 --> 00:16:11,420 Thank you. 166 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:17,440 Just to remind you, you'll provide us with your name and address slowly so we can get it for the minutes. 167 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:21,440 My name is Loretta Locke, L.O.C.K.E. 168 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:26,340 and I live in 4108 leatherback road in Vernon. 169 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,440 Thank you. 170 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:33,940 So can I begin? 171 00:16:35,740 --> 00:16:37,680 Good evening, Mr. Mayor and Council. 172 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:39,080 My name is Loretta Locke. 173 00:16:39,900 --> 00:16:43,160 I'm here to speak in cost of support of O.C.P. 174 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,760 Amendment 608O. 175 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,840 I recognize tonight's hearing is restricted 176 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,860 to the land use redesignation of these 18 acres. 177 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:59,200 I'm using this final public window to address arrow leaf, real estate, 16 story layout 178 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:05,220 because it marks our absolute last opportunity for public input before new provincial housing 179 00:17:05,220 --> 00:17:09,080 legislation completely eliminates these democratic hearings. 180 00:17:11,180 --> 00:17:16,520 Like neighbors who have submitted written briefs tonight, I have a deep serious concerns regarding 181 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:22,340 whether our municipality possesses the actual water volume capacity to sustain a project of 182 00:17:22,340 --> 00:17:28,660 this scale amid chronic summer shortages. However, shifting this underutilized industrial 183 00:17:28,660 --> 00:17:34,040 zone into a high-density transit-oriented village is smart growth. 184 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:40,560 Arrow leaves environmental studies appropriately address wind, shadow, and heat island effects, 185 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:45,960 and they have committed to protecting the ecological integrity of Vernon Creek and Pulse and Park 186 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,380 through stormwater planters and extensive tree plantings. 187 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:53,140 Council has a unique window to partner with this vision. 188 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:59,440 We are way ahead of construction, meaning we can introduce modern source control engineering standards 189 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:05,700 right now to ensure these promised treatment zones handle surface runoff flawlessly. 190 00:18:06,700 --> 00:18:12,880 Current standards civil engineering designs treat pavement runoff as a waste product. 191 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:19,540 flushing it off side into storm swars that pollute our lakes while we import expensive drinking water to 192 00:18:19,540 --> 00:18:27,100 irrigate adjacent spaces. This costly cycle wastes public funds on both ends of the pipe. 193 00:18:29,570 --> 00:18:36,110 By formalizing Brad Lancaster's Rainwater Harvesting Design Framework within the final approvals under 194 00:18:36,110 --> 00:18:43,850 bylaw 6200, we can ensure that high volume pavement and roundabout runoff is funneled throughout 195 00:18:43,850 --> 00:18:50,070 concrete curb cuts directly into deeply recessed fire retention basins. This passive reservoir 196 00:18:50,070 --> 00:18:55,430 halts the progressive depletion of our groundwater levels by actively recharging our 197 00:18:55,430 --> 00:19:02,150 sinking aquifers while saving taxpayer dollars. By utilizing surface retention we downsized 198 00:19:02,150 --> 00:19:08,770 underground storm pipes. This nets an immediate credit of roughly $2 per square foot over conventional 199 00:19:08,770 --> 00:19:15,530 drainage. Growing a dense canopy at zero utility cost in achieving permanent water savings. 200 00:19:16,590 --> 00:19:23,210 I request a formal 15-minute delegation spot on the September 8th Council agenda to deliver an intensive 201 00:19:23,210 --> 00:19:29,270 technical briefing to Council and into nearing staff. Thank you. Thank you very much. 202 00:19:30,770 --> 00:19:34,510 Council any specific questions for the presenter? 203 00:19:34,970 --> 00:19:35,990 Seeing none. 204 00:19:36,350 --> 00:19:37,090 Thank you. 205 00:19:37,230 --> 00:19:38,770 Okay, I'm just right though, my name. 206 00:19:57,790 --> 00:19:58,810 Thank you. 207 00:20:15,650 --> 00:20:19,170 Janet Parkins, 758, Cyprus Drive, Coldstream. 208 00:20:20,490 --> 00:20:23,990 I agree that this proposal is growth where growth belongs. 209 00:20:24,730 --> 00:20:31,490 This is Brownfield Land within the urban containment and focus growth boundaries that is currently designated urban neighborhood. 210 00:20:32,170 --> 00:20:36,970 infrastructure is already in place and no upgrades are anticipated for water or sewer. 211 00:20:37,890 --> 00:20:43,030 The proposal is from mixed housing, increasing residential density, a range of housing types 212 00:20:43,030 --> 00:20:47,670 and tendencies are planned, including town homes, rentals and condos, senior and family 213 00:20:47,670 --> 00:20:52,690 friendly housing, including smaller and multi-unit buildings, increasing affordability. 214 00:20:53,530 --> 00:20:58,990 The location of lines with Vernon's Transportation Plan is adjacent to existing public 215 00:20:58,990 --> 00:21:05,230 transit, will increase transit ridership, reduce vehicle use, decrease congestion, and increase 216 00:21:05,230 --> 00:21:10,350 walking and cycling. Because cars are not needed, even surface parking is minimized. 217 00:21:10,990 --> 00:21:16,370 The location is adjacent to a wide variety of amenities. Pulse and malls on the north boundary 218 00:21:16,370 --> 00:21:21,570 with an existing grocery store restaurants at bank and other shops. The via district is near 219 00:21:21,570 --> 00:21:27,510 commercial businesses and employers, and hotel is being considered. Additional retail opportunities 220 00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:32,430 are planned within this development. It will be a walkable neighborhood connected to 221 00:21:32,430 --> 00:21:37,550 Pulse and Park and Vernon Creek trails and a multi-use path. The development plans include 222 00:21:37,550 --> 00:21:43,190 varied and flexible public spaces for community participation, programming, recreation and 223 00:21:43,190 --> 00:21:49,050 partnerships and collaborations with community organizations, street trees, green spaces, 224 00:21:49,310 --> 00:21:54,250 and connection to nature are included in the development plans. Being so close to the downtown 225 00:21:54,250 --> 00:21:57,470 On core, it will also contribute to the vibrancy of the city core. 226 00:21:58,490 --> 00:22:03,250 Water conservation will be maximized with poorest services and stormwater treatment zones. 227 00:22:03,950 --> 00:22:08,330 I think this development is a well-considered thoughtful and thorough plan that will be 228 00:22:08,330 --> 00:22:09,830 an asset to the city of Vernon. 229 00:22:10,450 --> 00:22:15,130 My only concern is that I have not seen estimates as to what the different types of housing 230 00:22:15,130 --> 00:22:16,010 will cost. 231 00:22:22,380 --> 00:22:24,380 Can we have any questions for the presenter? 232 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:28,500 Seeing none. 233 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,280 My 234 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:54,740 name is Sierra Vanderdene, 6211 Star Road Vernon. Although I live on Star Road, I frequent businesses 235 00:22:54,740 --> 00:23:04,780 in the Pulse in Middleton area frequently, weekly or nearly daily, and my concerns are around traffic calming, 236 00:23:04,780 --> 00:23:17,160 especially and also around some non-market housing. So I come down from Milton, and from the 237 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:23,420 East Vernon area. That's a short drive for me, but coming down from Milton onto the Pulse 238 00:23:23,420 --> 00:23:30,980 in area, especially with the Highway 6 intersection with Kalenalka, and then the way that Pulse 239 00:23:30,980 --> 00:23:38,760 mall is configured with the driveway out next to save on the shoppers and then out onto highway 240 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:45,840 six. I am frankly shocked that there hasn't been more accidents there because the high 241 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:53,520 speeds on highway six because drivers often don't slow down on those areas and there's enough 242 00:23:53,520 --> 00:24:00,960 lights there but even the lights only slowed down drivers a bit especially in that area where 243 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:07,340 you're pulling out behind with shoppers and you're just there's a blind corner there from 244 00:24:07,340 --> 00:24:15,100 Highway 6 from a little spillway. I believe you know what I'm referring to. Yeah, I would 245 00:24:15,100 --> 00:24:22,400 want if you're going to redevelop this area and I know there's also a plan to redevelop 246 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:28,840 a lot of Pulse and Park I believe. I would want this to be a chance to redesign the traffic 247 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,940 management there because it seems like every intersection there is an accident waiting 248 00:24:32,940 --> 00:24:38,780 to happen, especially because the traffic to Cal Lake, whether that's the dog or the 249 00:24:38,780 --> 00:24:44,960 Gen. Juniper, the traffic to those beaches is so high in the summer too. So that is my one big 250 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:50,620 concern about making sure that this is a chance to make sure that this is a safe area to walk 251 00:24:50,620 --> 00:24:58,820 to because right now I know like pulsant parkers of place people area that people avoid, it's 252 00:24:58,820 --> 00:25:04,680 that people are nervous to drive through, especially me. So as someone who frequency visits this 253 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:09,760 there quite often and who would want to drive around there and who'd want to even take the bus 254 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:17,360 around there, I would really want to see a safer option and a safer way to get around that wouldn't 255 00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:26,500 be so nerve-racking drive around. And then my second one and I really do like this point with OCP 256 00:25:26,500 --> 00:25:33,480 is making non-market housing so making sure that there are not just more extensive apartments 257 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:38,620 but making sure that there are places that young people like me can afford. So those are two 258 00:25:38,620 --> 00:25:48,600 of my greatest concerns so I thank you for hearing them and I hope my highway six illustration was 259 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:49,060 sufficient. 260 00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:53,490 Thank you. 261 00:25:53,490 --> 00:25:57,330 couch mine. You might have a question for you, come for mine. 262 00:25:57,710 --> 00:26:02,290 Yeah. So, not the reverse before I'll ask you, what can you afford for the 263 00:26:02,290 --> 00:26:06,870 department, so we have a candle consensus here and what what it would be for use 264 00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:13,630 in this town. Good question. I'd say I'd deal honestly for a one bedroom would 265 00:26:13,630 --> 00:26:24,290 $700 because I, that compared to say, someone in my age who can get a job on minimum 266 00:26:24,290 --> 00:26:30,870 wage, or maybe just $5 more than minimum wage, I believe that that's upwards of about 267 00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:38,670 3,000, but right now most people are charging 1,500 or nearly 2,000 for 1 bedrooms, or 268 00:26:38,670 --> 00:26:42,110 for even two bedrooms with two beds to bath. 269 00:26:43,270 --> 00:26:49,810 So ideally 700 would be a good goal to reach for this 270 00:26:50,430 --> 00:26:54,630 that or maybe a thousand if it's a really nice apartment. 271 00:26:55,690 --> 00:26:56,990 You can do it probably would be. 272 00:26:57,630 --> 00:26:58,970 Okay, thank you. 273 00:27:00,390 --> 00:27:01,470 Thank you, Councilor. 274 00:27:02,210 --> 00:27:04,150 Any other questions for the presenter? 275 00:27:12,780 --> 00:27:12,960 Welcome. 276 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:33,300 For a short. 277 00:27:33,700 --> 00:27:34,240 Good evening. 278 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:41,940 Marin Council. My name is Barry Doreville. I live at 240226 Street in Vernon, and tonight 279 00:27:41,940 --> 00:27:49,440 I'm speaking in support of the via district proposal. I believe this development moves 280 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:54,820 burning in a direction that is broadly consistent with the vision outlined in our official 281 00:27:54,820 --> 00:28:02,080 community plan. It represents significant residential density within the urban core where 282 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:09,180 residents can live closer to services, employment, recreation, and importantly public transit. 283 00:28:10,860 --> 00:28:18,100 We know that concentrating growth in existing urban areas is more fiscally responsible and 284 00:28:18,100 --> 00:28:22,080 environmentally sustainable approach than expanding into the urban fringe. 285 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:28,400 I also appreciate this project's mixed-use design, 286 00:28:29,580 --> 00:28:33,700 developments that combine housing with commercial uses, 287 00:28:34,340 --> 00:28:38,140 help create neighborhoods where more daily needs can be met 288 00:28:38,140 --> 00:28:41,880 without relying on a vehicle for every trip. 289 00:28:42,700 --> 00:28:46,420 I'm also encouraged by the proximity to Posen Park 290 00:28:46,420 --> 00:28:48,320 and the Vernon Creek corridor. 291 00:28:49,120 --> 00:29:07,480 I really hope that when this project proceeds and I hope that it does, that it becomes an example of how development can coexist with and even enhance natural spaces, particularly wetland sites. 292 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:16,580 Now, all of those things said, I do have two concerns in hand. Thanks for setting it up, Sierra. They coincide with the previous speaker. 293 00:29:17,700 --> 00:29:29,820 The first is transportation, anyone who regularly drives through this area knows that significant congestion already exists around the mall. 294 00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:35,620 And with, in the proposal, it said 500 to 900 units are being proposed. 295 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:46,220 With that increase in residential activity, notwithstanding the fact that there is going to be significant efforts around providing 296 00:29:46,220 --> 00:29:53,800 alternate means of transportation, active transportation, and infrastructure for public transit. 297 00:29:55,020 --> 00:29:57,000 Traffic will still only get worse. 298 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:26,940 I really hope that council ensures that sufficient steps are taken to mitigate this inevitable problem and to require that the developer contribute a fair share toward the new and improved road infrastructure that will be needed specifically to accommodate the increase in traffic that is being generated because of this project. 299 00:30:27,540 --> 00:30:34,040 We need to, we need to fix this area for a long time and say the resources need to go towards doing so, 300 00:30:34,380 --> 00:30:49,660 but the fact that there will be an increase in the challenges that exist seems to me that it requires the developer to contribute a fair share towards the solution of that exacerbated problem. 301 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:55,000 The second concern is around housing affordability. 302 00:30:56,540 --> 00:31:03,860 Now, the proposal mentions that they're going to be looking for significant increases in the allowable building height. 303 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,460 And again, I think that that's a wise thing. We need to build up, not out. 304 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:17,620 And so that is broadly in alignment with the kind of growth that we need to prioritize in our community. 305 00:31:18,620 --> 00:31:38,420 However, when we add density to land, we are adding additional development rights, and it is a direct increase in the value of that land, and the profits that can be made from it, and that's not a bad thing. 306 00:31:38,420 --> 00:31:39,960 The process is not a bad word, 307 00:31:43,020 --> 00:31:47,540 but when additional development rights are granted, it is reasonable 308 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:56,160 to ask whether the community should also receive additional public benefit in return. 309 00:31:57,260 --> 00:32:08,280 So I would encourage Council to explore whether a reasonable percentage of the units be made 310 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:16,920 affordable by the definitions that exist within the OCP. Or another meaningful housing contribution 311 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:22,060 around affordability in some other format could be incorporated into the project. 312 00:32:24,060 --> 00:32:29,600 So overall, I believe this proposal represents the kind of growth varnish should be encouraging. 313 00:32:30,500 --> 00:32:38,260 If we want to reduce sprawl, make better use of existing infrastructure and take real tangible steps 314 00:32:38,260 --> 00:32:44,720 to implement our Climate Action Plan then projects like this deserve our support. 315 00:32:45,580 --> 00:32:52,200 My hope is simply the council ensures that the development also addresses the transportation 316 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:58,500 issues and some of the additional value created through increased development rates 317 00:32:58,500 --> 00:33:06,760 is returned to the community by supporting affordable houses, housing, through the zoning 318 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,000 or permitting processes. 319 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:10,880 Thank you. 320 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,020 Council, any questions for the presenter? 321 00:33:21,950 --> 00:33:23,130 Seeing none, thank you. 322 00:33:51,770 --> 00:33:55,510 Hi, my name is Jane Wexel and I live at 39515th Avenue. 323 00:33:56,750 --> 00:34:02,050 I also would like to speak to the via district and I do approve of it. 324 00:34:02,210 --> 00:34:06,210 When I moved to Vernon 38 years ago, I did my homework before I purchased a home. 325 00:34:06,770 --> 00:34:12,190 I researched what would make my home something that would appeal to buyers and in the 326 00:34:12,190 --> 00:34:13,930 to sell it sometime in the future. 327 00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:18,290 I had no idea if it would be my forever home at the time. 328 00:34:19,570 --> 00:34:21,350 But based on what I learned, 329 00:34:22,170 --> 00:34:25,390 and these items still apply to housing needs in Vernon today, 330 00:34:26,130 --> 00:34:28,030 I gave my realtor a list of needs. 331 00:34:28,590 --> 00:34:30,630 A short commute time to work, 332 00:34:30,970 --> 00:34:33,410 close to a grocery store, shopping, a bank, 333 00:34:33,490 --> 00:34:34,290 and a drug store. 334 00:34:35,130 --> 00:34:36,730 Walkability was a top priority. 335 00:34:37,470 --> 00:34:38,930 I enjoy walking around a neighborhood 336 00:34:38,930 --> 00:34:40,410 and into town to do chores. 337 00:34:40,410 --> 00:34:45,790 And I know many people that prioritize walking to stay in shape and be relaxed. 338 00:34:46,530 --> 00:34:48,970 I wanted to be near a park or a green space. 339 00:34:49,930 --> 00:34:53,650 The house had to be close to a transit route and I wanted nearby healthcare. 340 00:34:54,770 --> 00:34:57,410 My husband and I are still in that same small house and we love it. 341 00:34:58,230 --> 00:35:01,330 Our neighbors and neighborhood are great, but that being said, 342 00:35:02,090 --> 00:35:08,070 we both expect that we will have to downsize as yard work and maintenance will be more than we can handle in about five to ten years. 343 00:35:08,590 --> 00:35:15,530 We have discussed that if one of us were to die, we would like to be living in a space where one could manage on their own and would not have to move again. 344 00:35:16,650 --> 00:35:22,270 Having residents of all ages would be a big benefit, families and younger residents energize a neighborhood. 345 00:35:23,310 --> 00:35:27,150 Should we be unable to drive for medical reasons, transit is imperative. 346 00:35:28,490 --> 00:35:31,330 Our house borders the park and is close to walking trails. 347 00:35:31,330 --> 00:35:40,430 We are very grateful for those green spaces and we take advantages of them every day just like the kids in the neighborhood did when they were young. 348 00:35:41,090 --> 00:35:44,410 It dawned on us that the via district would be a viable option. 349 00:35:45,350 --> 00:35:53,670 I worked at the Cal Tire office at the end of my working days and I frequently access Pulse and Park via the boardwalk during the lunch hour. 350 00:35:54,390 --> 00:36:00,610 Many of my coworkers of all ages took advantage of this walkable green space break in the day. 351 00:36:00,610 --> 00:36:04,510 What a wonderful perk for people living in this development. 352 00:36:05,930 --> 00:36:11,810 To finish off, I now prioritize a few more things than I did in my early 20s and 30s. 353 00:36:12,010 --> 00:36:14,710 As many things have changed, as Vernon has grown up. 354 00:36:15,570 --> 00:36:18,530 I now really prioritize water conservation. 355 00:36:19,710 --> 00:36:26,210 Keeping taxes lower by building on existing sewer, water, and roads as the via district will. 356 00:36:26,890 --> 00:36:32,690 Inturing the Vernon has a variety of housing types that are affordable for all its residents and workers, 357 00:36:33,370 --> 00:36:40,170 and that they can get around on public transit, even if they can't afford a car, insurance and gas. 358 00:36:41,570 --> 00:36:45,810 I believe that the via district neighborhood will revitalize our downtown core. 359 00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:53,950 That has been a priority in our last three OCPs, and I would love to see that finally happen. 360 00:36:54,830 --> 00:36:58,770 I like that this proposal supports the transportation plan. 361 00:36:59,670 --> 00:37:05,650 It should help, rather than make our traffic congestion problems and air quality problems worse. 362 00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:09,650 I think this proposal will be a real benefit to Vernon. 363 00:37:10,850 --> 00:37:16,390 If it offers a mix of housing, which contains truly affordable housing options for Vernon residents, 364 00:37:17,090 --> 00:37:18,830 it will tick all the boxes for me. 365 00:37:19,310 --> 00:37:20,210 Thank you. 366 00:37:23,570 --> 00:37:25,430 Council, any questions for the presenter? 367 00:37:32,470 --> 00:38:00,570 Hello. Hello. My name is Kelly Westgate. I live at 85-08 clear-crote and cold stream number 49. I also wanted to speak in support of the via district. I think this is the right development at the right time in the right place. I did want to reiterate what some of the other speakers have said, though, about water concerns. We're in a historic drought. As we all know, everything's dying, we're having a hard time with enough water for everybody that's already here. 368 00:38:00,570 --> 00:38:05,010 So just in any possible way, low flow toilets, 369 00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:08,310 any way that you can integrate anything within the design 370 00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:10,270 that can really take that into consideration. 371 00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:14,210 And I would implore Council to look into things 372 00:38:14,210 --> 00:38:16,330 that may have previously seen radical too, 373 00:38:16,350 --> 00:38:18,710 because we are desperate times. 374 00:38:20,090 --> 00:38:21,670 So, but I think it's great. 375 00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:24,190 I love what it's an improvement to the area. 376 00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:26,610 I'm a frequent biker on that trail. 377 00:38:26,610 --> 00:38:30,390 So, you know, making sure those good shade trees, 378 00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:34,190 you know, good, good canopy cover and reducing that heat island 379 00:38:34,190 --> 00:38:35,930 like you said is great. 380 00:38:36,190 --> 00:38:37,130 So, yeah, I'm over all up. 381 00:38:37,130 --> 00:38:39,670 I'm very supportive, but just please keep water in mind. 382 00:38:40,270 --> 00:38:41,210 Thank you. 383 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,440 Now, if you're chance, same price. 384 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,840 I'll call for a second time. 385 00:39:45,230 --> 00:39:46,670 You need my name again, right? 386 00:39:47,070 --> 00:39:48,010 Yes, just a record. 387 00:39:48,430 --> 00:39:51,050 Right, Loretta Lock, Lowe C.K.E. 388 00:39:51,050 --> 00:39:53,650 for 108 leather-back road Vernon. 389 00:39:56,910 --> 00:40:03,270 Good evening Mr. Mayor again, council and engineering staff. 390 00:40:03,630 --> 00:40:06,790 My name is Loretta Locke and I'm stepping up for a second turn 391 00:40:06,790 --> 00:40:10,430 to demonstrate how the water savings lessons from the via district 392 00:40:11,020 --> 00:40:16,270 template can fix Vernon's overall infrastructure vulnerabilities. 393 00:40:16,270 --> 00:40:21,490 A critical regulatory blind spot exists between our city departments. 394 00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:29,150 While planners wrote brilliant environmental guidelines into OCP620, the engineering department 395 00:40:29,150 --> 00:40:36,870 is structurally handcuffed by subdivision servicing Biola 3 for 3 Schedule F. Schedule F legally 396 00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:42,910 forces developers to build rigid pipe and convey drainage systems that flush clean rain off 397 00:40:42,910 --> 00:40:53,170 into storm swars while our groundwater tables dry up completely overriding the original intent of our broader water conservation policies. 398 00:40:54,590 --> 00:41:03,150 We must strengthen our regulatory frameworks as we look at item 3 on tonight's agenda regarding by last 6.0-8.2. 399 00:41:03,150 --> 00:41:07,790 The city is appropriately attempting to refine its landscape and screening regulations. 400 00:41:08,430 --> 00:41:13,970 However, this text update focuses strictly on surface aesthetics and simplifying diagrams. 401 00:41:14,330 --> 00:41:16,090 I'm just going to help you out here. 402 00:41:17,050 --> 00:41:19,990 If this is focused on the via, you're on the right one. 403 00:41:20,350 --> 00:41:21,990 If you're going to wander into the next file. 404 00:41:22,030 --> 00:41:22,850 Okay, sorry. 405 00:41:22,850 --> 00:41:24,710 I'll get you to hold that for the next file. 406 00:41:24,750 --> 00:41:25,210 Okay. 407 00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:26,290 We want to hear both. 408 00:41:26,730 --> 00:41:26,970 Okay. 409 00:41:27,330 --> 00:41:28,510 This is focused on via. 410 00:41:28,690 --> 00:41:28,910 Right. 411 00:41:29,730 --> 00:41:35,190 So, you will get a second chance on the next by-law. 412 00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:43,570 Okay, it remains the engineering department seems to be blind to our systemic water crisis. 413 00:41:44,690 --> 00:41:49,630 Obdating zoning diagrams does nothing if our engineering rules continue to force developers 414 00:41:49,630 --> 00:41:51,570 to treat rain like a liability. 415 00:41:52,570 --> 00:41:58,070 Instead of only shifting to expensive reclaimed water systems, we must update stormwater drainage 416 00:41:58,070 --> 00:42:02,950 by law 5995, and by law 3843 to mandate rain harvesting 417 00:42:02,950 --> 00:42:04,430 designs citywide. 418 00:42:05,250 --> 00:42:08,230 We must increase pavement effectiveness by mandating 419 00:42:08,230 --> 00:42:10,910 permissible interlocking concrete papers for modern 420 00:42:10,910 --> 00:42:14,410 pedestrian walkways, parking lots and roundabouts, 421 00:42:15,010 --> 00:42:17,630 sloping hardscapes into deeply recessed sunken 422 00:42:17,630 --> 00:42:21,590 by a retention basin's turn pavement into a collection 423 00:42:21,590 --> 00:42:22,210 apron. 424 00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:26,770 This approach is substantially cheaper 425 00:42:26,770 --> 00:42:32,630 eliminating costly subterrain and store mains and saving public capital right from the start. 426 00:42:33,410 --> 00:42:36,290 This deep route hydration recharges our water table. 427 00:42:36,670 --> 00:42:40,750 Directly targeting the chronic groundwater starvation causing canopy distress. 428 00:42:40,970 --> 00:42:42,470 I'm going to interrupt you. 429 00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:45,470 This is regarding the via as well. 430 00:42:46,110 --> 00:42:46,830 Absolutely. 431 00:42:47,250 --> 00:42:47,510 Appreciate it. 432 00:42:47,730 --> 00:42:48,810 It was later in the agenda. 433 00:42:49,770 --> 00:42:49,790 Absolutely. 434 00:42:50,590 --> 00:42:55,410 So the chronic groundwater starvation 435 00:42:55,410 --> 00:42:58,010 causing canopy distress across historic areas 436 00:42:58,010 --> 00:43:00,990 like East Hill, it lowers summer pavement temperatures 437 00:43:00,990 --> 00:43:05,270 by up to 25 degrees and maximizes city-wide water savings. 438 00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:10,430 So I reiterate my request for a formal 50-minute delegation spot 439 00:43:10,430 --> 00:43:12,810 on the September 8th Council session agenda 440 00:43:12,810 --> 00:43:15,530 to deliver a comprehensive technical briefing 441 00:43:15,530 --> 00:43:18,190 to update our engineering specifications 442 00:43:18,190 --> 00:43:23,650 for all future developments, residential lots, public roundabouts, and the greater cultural 443 00:43:23,650 --> 00:43:31,490 center plaza, and this is a huge chance for us via district as a huge chance for us now 444 00:43:31,490 --> 00:43:35,030 to really begin with that. 445 00:43:35,870 --> 00:43:36,250 Okay. 446 00:43:36,570 --> 00:43:37,510 Thank you. 447 00:43:41,850 --> 00:43:42,550 Thank you. 448 00:43:49,390 --> 00:43:51,950 So I'll call for a third in a final time, 449 00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:58,180 seeing you all on a podium. 450 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:00,760 I will close this public hearing. 451 00:44:02,060 --> 00:44:03,480 Thank you for your input. 452 00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:12,790 So as you heard earlier, we're going to go through this two more times on two other bylaws 453 00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:17,990 and then we'll meet as a council and make a decision about each of these three items. 454 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,780 And you're welcome to stay and watch us make a decision. 455 00:45:12,140 --> 00:45:28,720 All right, I'll move to our second public hearing tonight. I'll call this public hearing to order for by law 6082-2026, which is a zoning text for landscape regulation updates amendment. 456 00:45:29,940 --> 00:45:33,020 Ms. Wood, can you provide the publication information? 457 00:45:35,930 --> 00:45:36,050 Sure. 458 00:45:40,980 --> 00:45:46,140 This public hearing is convened for the Local Government Act in order to consider the following. 459 00:45:46,140 --> 00:45:56,220 Zoning text landscape regulation updates amendment by law 608 to a 2026 by law 6082 to update 460 00:45:56,220 --> 00:46:06,480 section 6 landscape and screening regulations of Zoning by law 6000 as part of phase 2 refined implement implementation 461 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:10,500 to simplify by law requirements and clarify diagrams. 462 00:46:10,500 --> 00:46:20,520 All submissions received by the deadline have been posted to the city's website for viewing and are available on the media table at the back of the room in the information binder. 463 00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:27,860 Any latest submissions will be noted by the corporate officer and administration will be asked to present the application. 464 00:46:28,700 --> 00:46:40,380 At this public hearing any person present who believes that their interest in property is affected by the proposed by law should be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard on the matters contained in the proposed by law under consideration. 465 00:46:40,380 --> 00:46:46,140 All speakers, please keep your presentation as concise and on topic as possible. 466 00:46:46,860 --> 00:46:51,960 My responsibility as chair is to ensure that all comments relate to the matters in the 467 00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:53,060 proposed by law. 468 00:46:53,820 --> 00:46:58,300 Those who wish to speak, concerning the proposed by law should approach the podium and 469 00:46:58,300 --> 00:47:04,040 convince your presentation to counsel by slowly including your name and address as well. 470 00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:09,000 Please print your name on the speakers list at the podium so we may record it accurately 471 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:09,680 in the minutes. 472 00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,120 Then you may proceed with your presentation. 473 00:47:12,700 --> 00:47:18,220 This hearing is being mined and recorded and may be accessed on the city website. 474 00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,520 Members of Council may ask questions of you following your presentation. 475 00:47:23,300 --> 00:47:27,220 However, the function of Council members is to listen to the views of the public. 476 00:47:27,820 --> 00:47:30,300 It is not the function of Council that is public hearing. 477 00:47:30,540 --> 00:47:33,560 To debate the merits of these issues with individual citizens. 478 00:47:34,540 --> 00:47:39,060 Once this public hearing is closed, Council cannot receive any further input. 479 00:47:39,060 --> 00:47:47,520 During the hearing, we asked that everyone be respectful of different viewpoints and refrain from applause or other expressions of approval or disapproval. 480 00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:59,540 At the conclusion of the public hearing session, Council will reconvene the regular open meeting in order to consider third reading of the subject bylaws, and you are all welcome to remain in the attendance. 481 00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:01,160 Thank you. 482 00:48:07,220 --> 00:48:09,800 Ms. Wood, can you provide the publication information? 483 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:15,240 Your worship, it was included in the July 9th and July 16th edition of the Morningstar. 484 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:17,380 Thank you. 485 00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:22,020 Ms. Wiltsing, please provide council in the public, because in overview of the zoning text, 486 00:48:22,580 --> 00:48:27,340 landscape regulation updates, amendment by last 6,082 of 2026. 487 00:48:30,340 --> 00:48:31,240 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 488 00:48:31,900 --> 00:48:36,700 This presentation will provide a brief overview of the proposed amendments to section 6, 489 00:48:36,700 --> 00:48:39,900 landscape and screening of zoning by last 6,000. 490 00:48:41,140 --> 00:48:48,420 Zoning by last 6,000 was adopted on June 24, 2024, to repeal and replace the previous Zoning by 491 00:48:48,420 --> 00:48:49,660 low 5,000. 492 00:48:50,460 --> 00:48:54,280 The purpose of this replacement was to align with new requirements from the province, 493 00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,380 related to small-scale multi-net housing and transit oriented development. 494 00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:03,320 To meet the deadlines set by the province for the adoption of the new Zoning by law, 495 00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:09,600 a three-phase approach was initiated, comprised of phase one, design, including the creation 496 00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:16,340 by-law 6000. Phase 2, refine, including updates to sections not covered by provincial legislation, 497 00:49:17,240 --> 00:49:22,500 such as section 6, which is seen before you today. And phase 3, align, including aligning 498 00:49:22,500 --> 00:49:27,440 the nearby law, with official community plan, transportation plan, and housing needs report, 499 00:49:27,860 --> 00:49:32,580 to support the city's long-term growth and development estimated for early 2027. 500 00:49:34,540 --> 00:49:39,240 The intention of these updates to section 6 are to streamline and clarify regulations 501 00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:45,160 Specifically, administration is driving to simplify requirements to improve civic communication. 502 00:49:46,260 --> 00:49:53,080 Incorporate fire risk mitigation standards to enhance community resilience and improve alignment with the new official community plan. 503 00:49:55,840 --> 00:50:03,200 Actions take in to need this objective include defining key terms such as soft landscaping to improve clarity and interpretation. 504 00:50:04,460 --> 00:50:09,600 Clarifying irrigation requirements, including the areas of existing undisturbed vegetation, 505 00:50:10,580 --> 00:50:15,000 landscape areas specifically designed is zero-scape, a low-water-use landscaping method, 506 00:50:15,900 --> 00:50:20,860 and landscape areas with established, drought-tolerant vegetation, do not require permanent irrigation. 507 00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:29,880 Streamlining maintenance criteria is many maintenance requirements previously included are covered under other bylaws, such as the Good Neighbor bylaw. 508 00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:38,820 And refining key diagrams including those for wildlife considerate fences and an example landscape buffer to improve consistency and interpretation. 509 00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:52,320 Another key change is the incorporation of fire risk mitigation standards, including requirements for the immediate, intermediate and extended zones based on fire smart BC principles. 510 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:56,340 These include restricting new combustible mulch, 511 00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:58,960 canifer shrubs, and trees within the media zone. 512 00:50:59,820 --> 00:51:03,440 Restricting new canifer shrubs, or canifer's trees within ten meters of a building, 513 00:51:03,980 --> 00:51:06,800 unless specific criteria is met within the intermediate zone, 514 00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:12,500 and establishing a minimum spacing of three meters between new canifer's trees within the extended zone. 515 00:51:15,100 --> 00:51:18,280 Feedback has been received from the Ministry of Transportation and Transit, 516 00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,120 requesting a broad compliance statement to ensure requirements to not conflict with 517 00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,480 or undermine provincial legislative requirements. 518 00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,820 As a result, the following text indicated in red 519 00:51:27,820 --> 00:51:32,060 is proposed for addition to Section 6.1.1 to accommodate 520 00:51:32,060 --> 00:51:32,900 this request. 521 00:51:34,900 --> 00:51:38,020 In summary, the update to Section 6 align with key priorities 522 00:51:38,020 --> 00:51:40,420 of the recently adopted official community plan, 523 00:51:41,100 --> 00:51:43,120 including the creation of a vibrant, safe, 524 00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,980 and inclusive neighborhoods that are pedestrian-friendly, 525 00:51:46,620 --> 00:51:48,440 sustainable, and resilient for future generations. 526 00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:55,520 Specifically, a strong alignment has been identified with Objective 4.2.5, which seeks to enhance 527 00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:59,520 the community tree canopy and recognize the importance of sustainable planting alternatives, 528 00:52:00,180 --> 00:52:02,680 where tree planting is not feasible due to site constraints. 529 00:52:03,900 --> 00:52:08,520 Action 5A, which identifies an update to the landscape regulations in the zoning by-law, 530 00:52:08,780 --> 00:52:14,480 is a priority, an Objective 4.6.2, which seeks to reduce the risks of persons and property 531 00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,020 for major hazards, including wildfires. 532 00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:19,440 Thank you. 533 00:52:22,300 --> 00:52:22,620 Council. 534 00:52:23,180 --> 00:52:25,040 Any questions for Ms. Waltsi? 535 00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:36,580 Ms. Wood, have we received any written submissions that were not included in the public agenda? 536 00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:39,720 You wish that there are no additional submissions? 537 00:52:41,260 --> 00:52:46,980 All right, I'll call for a first time for representation of the public attendance, who would like to speak to this application. 538 00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,000 I will call for a second time. 539 00:53:00,350 --> 00:53:07,270 I will call for a third and final time for the public attendance, who would like to speak to this application. 540 00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,520 Seeing none, 541 00:53:13,620 --> 00:53:16,140 I declare this public hearing closed. 542 00:53:20,860 --> 00:53:23,420 We'll move now to public hearing number three. 543 00:53:26,420 --> 00:53:28,400 I will call this public hearing order. 544 00:53:30,900 --> 00:53:34,780 This public hearing is convened pursuant to local government act 545 00:53:34,780 --> 00:53:37,160 in order to considering the following. 546 00:53:37,720 --> 00:53:40,960 Zoning text, very text, various text amendments, 547 00:53:41,460 --> 00:53:45,040 and amendment by law 6083 of 2026. 548 00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:52,400 by law 6083 is swept eight very sections of zoning by law 6,000 pertaining to projections 549 00:53:52,400 --> 00:54:00,460 in the yard, slopes, grades, purpose, access, and airport land uses as part of phase 2 refined 550 00:54:00,460 --> 00:54:06,180 implementation. All submissions received by the deadline have been posted in the cities website 551 00:54:06,180 --> 00:54:11,920 for viewing and are available on the media table at the back of the room in an information binder. 552 00:54:14,450 --> 00:54:19,970 Any late submissions will be noted by the corporate officer, administration will be asked to 553 00:54:19,970 --> 00:54:21,490 present the application. 554 00:54:23,970 --> 00:54:26,130 Roger is still there in the back corner. 555 00:54:27,150 --> 00:54:29,450 So that's for the media table is. 556 00:54:29,690 --> 00:54:30,690 You're doing well, Roger. 557 00:54:30,930 --> 00:54:31,790 It's been a long day. 558 00:54:32,970 --> 00:54:38,570 At this public hearing, any person for President to believe that they're interested in property 559 00:54:38,570 --> 00:54:43,210 is affected by the proposed by law should be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard 560 00:54:43,210 --> 00:54:48,370 matters contained in the proposed by law on a consideration. All speakers, please keep a 561 00:54:48,370 --> 00:54:52,950 presentation as concise on top of your possible. My responsibility as chair is to ensure 562 00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:58,830 that all comments relate to the matters of the proposed by law. Those of you who wish to speak 563 00:54:58,830 --> 00:55:04,490 concerning the proposed by law should approach the podium on my left on your right and 564 00:55:04,490 --> 00:55:08,630 commence your presentation to counsel by slowly and clearly stating your name and address. 565 00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:14,570 As well, please print your name on speakers list of the podium, so we may record it accurately in the minutes. 566 00:55:14,930 --> 00:55:23,050 Then you may proceed with your presentation. This hearing is being live streamed and video recorded and may be accessed on the city's website. 567 00:55:23,930 --> 00:55:27,790 Members of council may ask questions of you following your presentation. 568 00:55:28,490 --> 00:55:37,450 However, the function of council members is to listen to the views of the public and is not the function of council. 569 00:55:37,450 --> 00:55:42,810 digital citizens, once this public hearing is closed, Council cannot receive any further 570 00:55:42,810 --> 00:55:43,270 input. 571 00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:48,750 Here in the hearing, we ask people to be respectful of different viewpoints and refrain from 572 00:55:48,750 --> 00:55:51,850 applause or other expressions of approval or disapproval. 573 00:55:52,550 --> 00:55:57,130 As the concludes in public hearing, Council will reconvene the regular open meeting in order 574 00:55:57,130 --> 00:56:01,630 to consider the third reading of the subject bylaws in your welcome to remain in attendance. 575 00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:12,580 Ms. Wood, can you provide the publication information please? 576 00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:19,800 Worship, it was included in the July 7th, or throughout the July 9th and 16th editions of the Morningstar. 577 00:56:21,020 --> 00:56:27,760 Thank you. Mr. Brierick, could you provide council in the public with an overview of the zoning text? 578 00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:33,260 Various amendments by last six, zero, eight, three, of twenty, twenty, six. 579 00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:38,280 Thank you, Worship, yes, and could even council. Just to a brief presentation, 580 00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:44,400 And Ms. Wiltsi's overview of her bylaw has a similar framework to this bylaw. 581 00:56:44,980 --> 00:56:51,400 It's a technical implementation zoning bylaw to help bring the zoning more in line 582 00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:57,080 with the community plan and also to in an effort to reduce unwanted variances. 583 00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:05,900 So this bylaw is a range of amendments, and it's specifically to deal with projections into 584 00:57:05,900 --> 00:57:12,840 yards, which are allowed in the Zoning By-law, development management of slopes, regulations 585 00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:22,120 related to driveway grades, purpose statements of each by-law, district zone, access, and 586 00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:23,420 airport related land uses. 587 00:57:24,340 --> 00:57:31,220 And the attempts are just simply to fine tune the existing Zoning By-law in light of our major 588 00:57:31,220 --> 00:57:36,320 CPU review, and to help reduce the amount of variances required. 589 00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,040 So specifically, the projections into the yards is basically 590 00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:44,160 aligned this into more of a construction standard, 591 00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,380 going to 0.6 meters. 592 00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,160 And the second one is a slope, variances eliminating 593 00:57:53,940 --> 00:57:58,440 the in the by-law right now, it's a hard regulation, 594 00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:05,420 and no developments over unslob, so over 30%, with a new community plan, we have a much more 595 00:58:05,420 --> 00:58:09,880 prominent role in development management on the hillsides. Those developments have to go 596 00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:15,800 through development permits and through the geotech studies and hillside studies that 597 00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:20,520 regulation is developed to be needed in the zoning anymore, and it also helps reduce the 598 00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:24,940 to various grades with respect to driveway grades. 599 00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:32,120 Basically, the subdueration service in Viola deals with the details of driveway grades 600 00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:39,360 once we get to a subdivision or development project and we don't want conflicting regulations 601 00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,360 in the Viola's. 602 00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:47,180 The purpose statements right now, the Viola has a number section in each purpose and there's 603 00:58:47,180 --> 00:58:53,260 in instances where we felt we needed to come to Council or to the delegate with a variance 604 00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:55,000 for the purpose. 605 00:58:55,220 --> 00:59:01,600 And it was just an arduous variance that was really the purpose statement as just a description 606 00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:03,240 of the zone as opposed to a regulation. 607 00:59:05,220 --> 00:59:11,420 Access, right now, the zoning bylaw speaks to a number of accesses, whereas the subversion 608 00:59:11,420 --> 00:59:16,020 service in bylaw again is a more technical document and it should be in there and not in 609 00:59:16,020 --> 00:59:24,420 by a lot and try to eliminate redundancies and conflicts, and the last one was to do with 610 00:59:24,420 --> 00:59:31,160 the airport. The burning regional airport has always had a principle driving land use of 611 00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:37,720 airport-related uses, and there is a provision in there that is light industrial, which could 612 00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:45,800 open up the airport asset to non-airport-related uses. So that was thought to be added into 613 00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,300 this by law amendments. 614 00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:53,200 And that recommendation is to carry on as we are to a public 615 00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:57,000 hearing and it has to have to be reviewed and signed by the ministry. 616 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:15,120 The fact, basically, the whole city. That's an overview. Thank you, Mr. Rodriguez. Yes, that's fine. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Craig, can you back to grades for a second? 617 01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:29,120 So take your, we're taking out the no construction of a building structure or serving pool on any slope of 30% or greater. 618 01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:30,920 We'll take in that out. 619 01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:32,620 Yeah, that's correct. 620 01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:36,120 I couldn't, I think there's a schedule in here. 621 01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,240 Let's go into the current and proposed wording. 622 01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:49,980 They just find it. So a section for our currently says no building no construction of building a structure swimming pool is permitted on a slope gradient from a send and it's a full deletion 623 01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:56,980 So then if someone comes in with an application for a swimming pool out of 40% slope would happen 624 01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:03,460 They would have to go through the building inspectors with a flag it and they say you need a development permit for this 625 01:01:03,460 --> 01:01:08,220 We would require a geotextedity and structural and call the supporting documentation 626 01:01:09,660 --> 01:01:18,260 So is that going to be obvious in the bylaw to somebody developing like I know we've 627 01:01:18,260 --> 01:01:23,500 had a lot of these right as we've turned like this sort of a bit of a frustration. 628 01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,660 So thanks for doing this, this is great. 629 01:01:28,540 --> 01:01:31,580 But is it going to be clear in the bylaw that that triggers D.P. 630 01:01:32,340 --> 01:01:37,040 Like where will that information be found? 631 01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:42,860 Yeah, if I could your ship through accounts requiring it's it's won't be in the zoning by law 632 01:01:42,860 --> 01:01:48,500 through the development review process whether it's a pre-oplication or a sit down with the building 633 01:01:48,500 --> 01:01:53,840 official one of the planners that's the time it'll be flagged so you're going to need a development permit for this 634 01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:57,540 for whatever reason it hillside fire 635 01:01:57,540 --> 01:02:01,800 flooding whatever so it'll be flagged at that at hopefully a 636 01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:06,580 a pre-authorization meeting. If there isn't one, it'll be at the building 637 01:02:06,580 --> 01:02:10,520 for a stage and there could be some, some rounding back to a development 638 01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:15,540 program. Until the development community, the builders get to know us, what 639 01:02:15,540 --> 01:02:24,400 the changes. So I don't like that. Because before we get into this, this is what 640 01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:31,780 questions. This is why? About questions. Oh, we get lots of 641 01:02:31,780 --> 01:02:36,400 So we'll do that. I should know this after 15 years, but you'll tell me what to do. 642 01:02:36,500 --> 01:02:41,700 Thank you. This is about questions of clarity and you did really well up until that point. 643 01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:46,660 And then you must have been more than a 30 degrees slope because you stepped off into the hole. 644 01:02:48,620 --> 01:02:53,320 That's right. I think that's what you call a 90 percent slope. 645 01:02:55,720 --> 01:03:07,040 Council on any other questions from Mr. Broadrick. Seeing none, this would have we received any written submissions that were not included in the public agenda. 646 01:03:07,820 --> 01:03:08,600 No, we haven't yours. 647 01:03:09,940 --> 01:03:16,080 Okay, I'll call for a first time, for represent for the public intensity, would like to speak to this application. 648 01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:22,920 I will call for a second time. 649 01:03:27,090 --> 01:03:29,390 I will call for a third and final time. 650 01:03:32,780 --> 01:03:34,760 Seeing that there's no one approaching, 651 01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:41,960 I declare this public hearing officially closed. 652 01:03:43,100 --> 01:03:51,640 Council, we'll now return to the regular agenda, which we recessed earlier. 653 01:04:04,270 --> 01:04:05,990 We're reconvened in the meeting. 654 01:04:06,790 --> 01:04:10,110 This is for bylaws for third reading. The official community plan, 655 01:04:10,110 --> 01:04:15,030 false and village center amendment by law six, zero, eight, zero of twenty, twenty, six. 656 01:04:15,130 --> 01:04:16,490 Can I have a motion please? 657 01:04:17,110 --> 01:04:19,770 A moved Councillor of Quiring, Councillor Mund. 658 01:04:21,090 --> 01:04:30,430 Can I have staff providing information about what is now allowed within this village designation 659 01:04:30,430 --> 01:04:31,610 in the OCP? 660 01:04:32,710 --> 01:04:38,830 Mr. Miles, because it's not zoning, this is this is village OCP. 661 01:04:38,830 --> 01:04:44,650 So it'd be helpful for the gallery, and maybe even Council to understand the difference. 662 01:04:45,090 --> 01:04:46,370 Certainly, thank you, Worship. 663 01:04:47,790 --> 01:04:54,850 Yes, with this at the OCP level, what this amendment effectively does is it's similar 664 01:04:55,630 --> 01:05:03,130 to what be designated out there village centers with a few added policies, so that with the 665 01:05:03,130 --> 01:05:10,750 this would bring a little bit of additional commercial intensity, as well as policies to support 666 01:05:10,750 --> 01:05:18,110 the additional height. So it's quite similar to the other village centers with a few 667 01:05:18,110 --> 01:05:27,330 had policies specifically for the development to accommodate the future zoning changes potentially. 668 01:05:29,350 --> 01:05:35,270 So if I continue with the conversation, then the issue that's been raised is about building 669 01:05:35,270 --> 01:05:41,190 height or stories, what will be permitted given this OCP at this stage? 670 01:05:42,230 --> 01:05:48,950 So how it sits now, there is policy that the policy is worded to consider height greater 671 01:05:48,950 --> 01:05:50,550 than 16 stories. 672 01:05:51,450 --> 01:05:57,670 So right now, currently the max is still 16 stories in our zoning by law. 673 01:05:57,670 --> 01:06:06,350 So the what the policy does is allow for potential future amendments to consider that extra 674 01:06:06,350 --> 01:06:09,550 height based on some public benefit atomities. 675 01:06:10,670 --> 01:06:15,390 So with the next stages there would still be some sort of planning tool that would be required, 676 01:06:16,030 --> 01:06:22,310 whether it's a site specific text amendment to our variants or zoning change to allow 677 01:06:22,310 --> 01:06:24,970 for that additional height anywhere above 16 stores. 678 01:06:25,990 --> 01:06:30,370 So that would return to Council at some future date. 679 01:06:31,130 --> 01:06:31,950 Yes, that's correct. 680 01:06:35,150 --> 01:06:37,150 Thank you. 681 01:06:37,750 --> 01:06:42,150 Council, any other questions to Mr. Miles? 682 01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:45,700 Seeing none. 683 01:06:45,980 --> 01:06:47,620 I'll call the question, all of us in favor. 684 01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:49,460 Those opposed. 685 01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:50,580 Seeing none. 686 01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:52,080 Motion is carried. 687 01:06:53,300 --> 01:06:56,580 We'll move now to zoning text landscape regulation updates 688 01:06:56,580 --> 01:07:00,720 by law six or eight two of 20, 20, six, 689 01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:01,740 by the wrong one? 690 01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:06,400 Absolutely. 691 01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:08,560 This would. 692 01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,260 It's nice to know who's in charge sometimes. 693 01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:12,280 This would. 694 01:07:12,700 --> 01:07:16,180 Your worship in regards to this by law, 695 01:07:16,340 --> 01:07:18,660 there has to be an amendment made 696 01:07:18,660 --> 01:07:21,640 at second reading prior to third, 697 01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:27,100 due to the request from MOTT to add that. 698 01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:37,080 Presentation. So I've created a motion here of council's comfortable with it. That would add the wording of unless 699 01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:41,940 superseded by applicable provincial legislation. So that would have to be done first. 700 01:07:43,700 --> 01:07:45,740 The second is council occurring. 701 01:07:47,820 --> 01:07:51,140 So we're going to move the first motion first and then this motion second. 702 01:07:51,740 --> 01:08:00,700 All in favor? Those opposed motion carried. Now, a motion for the text amendments. 703 01:08:02,260 --> 01:08:03,980 Councillor Guy, Councillor Fair, 704 01:08:06,550 --> 01:08:07,410 any comments? 705 01:08:08,810 --> 01:08:11,950 Seeing none, called the question, all is in favour of those. 706 01:08:12,490 --> 01:08:14,210 Post-motion is carried. 707 01:08:15,250 --> 01:08:18,850 Imagine a text amendment if we hadn't been going for 10 and a half hour. 708 01:08:19,470 --> 01:08:20,770 We might really have a debate. 709 01:08:23,260 --> 01:08:24,600 We'll move to the next item. 710 01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:30,480 The Zoning Tech Spirious Text Amendment by Law 6083 of 2026. 711 01:08:30,480 --> 01:08:34,620 Councillor Garus. Councillor Guy. 712 01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:40,460 Any comments? Go ahead, Councillor Quiring. 713 01:08:43,020 --> 01:08:43,260 Oh yeah, 714 01:08:43,420 --> 01:08:49,000 I cut you off when you were driving off. When you were driving off for the 30% slow. Go ahead, 715 01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:57,260 Councillor. I'm still not used to getting cut off. So eight years. Is there Greg? 716 01:09:04,050 --> 01:09:04,650 Is there 717 01:09:04,650 --> 01:09:15,890 away we can insert into this that something in excess of 30 percent triggers the requirement 718 01:09:15,890 --> 01:09:22,630 for a development permit. Just to avoid the poor person that is coming in for building 719 01:09:22,630 --> 01:09:29,750 permit, and hasn't done a pre-app meeting, and then we get the key mail. 720 01:09:31,890 --> 01:09:34,150 So that's what I'm trying to avoid. 721 01:09:34,870 --> 01:09:39,210 I mean, Mr. Braderick, you've been around this a few times. 722 01:09:40,130 --> 01:09:45,990 Yeah, thank you, Yourship, Councillor Quiring, that's only by that typically doesn't round 723 01:09:45,990 --> 01:09:53,530 back to OCP regulations, it's that there is the regulation for a development permit for 724 01:09:54,290 --> 01:10:01,450 hillside, you know, when to 30% slope, or a certain trigger to do a development permit. 725 01:10:02,010 --> 01:10:06,710 It is on the onus of an applicant to get familiar with the different planning documents, 726 01:10:07,870 --> 01:10:14,570 to open to debate, to have a section in the zoning by-law to say a development permit is required. 727 01:10:14,570 --> 01:10:22,450 I generally, it's not a good practice to do that I would say, but that's my feeling on it. 728 01:10:22,610 --> 01:10:23,310 Well, you could. 729 01:10:24,390 --> 01:10:25,170 What about the choir? 730 01:10:26,430 --> 01:10:27,070 Thank you, sir. 731 01:10:28,390 --> 01:10:29,870 What about the choir? 732 01:10:30,010 --> 01:10:35,350 Like aren't there requirements when you're on the lakefront? 733 01:10:35,730 --> 01:10:38,650 When you're within the right area, 734 01:10:38,650 --> 01:10:48,470 area, regulation, 30 meter, you require a DP. Where's that found in the, is that in the OCP? 735 01:10:48,810 --> 01:10:54,390 Yeah, so that would be the community plan in the, in the, in the designation of the, the waterfront, 736 01:10:54,850 --> 01:11:02,090 uh, the aquatic development permit areas. And if you're in, and provincial statute, if you're building within 30 meter, 737 01:11:02,090 --> 01:11:06,970 you need to evaluate your screen-side protection in the hospital area and go through that 738 01:11:06,970 --> 01:11:07,750 long permit. 739 01:11:09,210 --> 01:11:16,650 I mean, I'm okay with, like, I just wanted to say what I said, but I'm okay. I'm not going 740 01:11:16,650 --> 01:11:20,350 to fall on my sort on this. You're absolutely correct. It's up to the applicant to get 741 01:11:20,350 --> 01:11:24,890 themselves. I quite did what they're trying to develop, so I'm good. 742 01:11:27,440 --> 01:11:27,960 Mr. Barn. 743 01:11:28,940 --> 01:11:35,300 Thank you, Joseph, from a planning department perspective, public education and certainly applicant 744 01:11:36,180 --> 01:11:43,440 knowledge is one of our key objectives to ensure that a property owner has all or the best 745 01:11:43,440 --> 01:11:48,320 information possible. You can imagine the planning world, it's a lot. We talk about this 746 01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:53,240 almost every week how to be able to get the right process out the right information out. And so 747 01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:58,340 a tool that we've been that other municipalities use and we've been slowly bringing it on here 748 01:11:58,340 --> 01:12:04,840 is information bulletins. Again, it's not necessarily a one-size-fits-all but certainly 749 01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:10,420 as much public education as we can get out there that if we wanted to do a public notice on 750 01:12:10,420 --> 01:12:20,200 how to apply for a pool coming. It would be a one-page or a two-page quick little snapshot. We've 751 01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:25,320 up about 10 or 15 of these on any number of planning topics. We try to have a paper copy at our 752 01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:31,620 front window. We also try and publish a PDF online. There's no reason why a topic like that 753 01:12:31,620 --> 01:12:39,040 as to how to install a pool in a hillside area couldn't have a bit of a bulletin. And then it 754 01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:44,280 would be as we're up here in the website. One of the key things is then to introduce AI where if a person 755 01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:49,500 to type in the key words that is directly linked to this bulletin. 756 01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:54,020 So we have some work to do, but I suggest that any number of planning topics are complex. 757 01:12:54,540 --> 01:13:00,160 Our objective is very consistent with the set of trying to get the right information and the right process out. 758 01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:08,480 The number one objective is to have an applicant make a full application from day one, 759 01:13:08,740 --> 01:13:11,180 is the easiest part for us to be able to minister. 760 01:13:11,180 --> 01:13:20,520 And when they don't submit the right information, or we have the back track, it's not only a pain for a council complaint, it's a pain for us to be able to administer that as well, we don't like it either. 761 01:13:21,060 --> 01:13:23,320 And so, to be able to get that information out, it's important. 762 01:13:23,540 --> 01:13:29,640 And so, that's yet another tool, and certainly we could try and create like an information bulletin on the specific topic. 763 01:13:34,010 --> 01:13:36,090 I would think, sorry, you're sure this is one last point. 764 01:13:36,110 --> 01:13:42,790 I would think all the major developers that of the 5 or 6 major hillside are a lot easier. 765 01:13:42,790 --> 01:13:48,330 year to contact. We're in touch with them almost every week and so the major players I think are 766 01:13:49,550 --> 01:13:53,110 quite easy to be able to let them know as to what the process is and we can do that. 767 01:13:53,510 --> 01:13:57,410 It's more I think the issue is regarding a property owner that, as you say, 768 01:13:57,550 --> 01:14:01,770 wouldn't have otherwise known that there's a DP to be able to do something small like a building 769 01:14:01,770 --> 01:14:06,390 addition or a pool that would normally just require a building permit. So I think that's the bigger 770 01:14:06,390 --> 01:14:08,130 issue than the major developers 771 01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:14,580 just to follow that up. I think the really good point which you're 772 01:14:14,580 --> 01:14:20,580 And information boldness says, if you're doing anything on slope is greater than 30 percent, 773 01:14:21,220 --> 01:14:22,460 here's what falls out. 774 01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:26,960 Just so that they would immediately go, oh, okay. 775 01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:29,960 I mean, a different whole kettle of fish here. 776 01:14:31,580 --> 01:14:31,940 All right. 777 01:14:33,180 --> 01:14:35,280 We've heard from counterquiring, much appreciated. 778 01:14:36,780 --> 01:14:38,560 I just wanted to put him in the right box. 779 01:14:38,780 --> 01:14:41,620 It's kind of a comfortable thing as mayor eight years on. 780 01:14:43,440 --> 01:14:48,780 Council. Any more comments? Seeing none, I'll call the question. All those in favor? 781 01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:52,420 Those opposed. Seeing none, motion is carried. 782 01:14:55,830 --> 01:14:56,450 Meaning closed. 783 01:15:00,050 --> 01:15:06,410 You can, the artist thing, and this is his.