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[1:12] Good evening. Welcome to Bernie City Council,
[1:20] public hearing on July 20, 2026. Here at said we are starting at 5.30 p.m., you'll notice it is 5.34 and the reason why it's 5.34 is that we started at 8.40 this morning and we finished at 5.15.
[1:38] So we've had a 19-minute supper break.
[1:44] Anyway, it's good to see you all this evening.
[1:48] I'll call this public hearing order.
[1:51] As mayor, city of Vernon, and his peer to this gathering,
[1:55] I recognize the city of Vernon is located in the
[1:57] traditional territory of the sealed people of the
[2:00] Oconorgan Nation.
[2:06] Those who have looked at the agenda while the
[2:08] realize that we're dealing with three items tonight,
[2:10] and we'll introduce each one one of the
[2:14] And we're going to do the first one.
[2:18] So this public hearing is convened for Zoant to Local Government Act in order to consider the following.
[2:23] Official Community Plan, Pollson Village Center, Amendment by Law 608, 0 for 2026.
[2:32] By Law 608, 0 is to redesign the property to accommodate a proposed mixed use community.
[2:42] All submissions received by the deadline have been posted to the city's website for viewing and are available in the media table.
[2:50] That's straight back there a few.
[2:53] Some people may know the guy in the back corner there.
[3:00] Thank you.
[3:01] Thank you, Roger.
[3:03] Those who don't, they should know that's Roger Knox.
[3:07] At the back of the room, there's an information binder.
[3:12] Any late submissions will be noted by the corporate officer on my right to begin with the
[3:17] administration will be asked to present the application and then the applicant or here today will be asked if they would like to address their application understand they will.
[3:28] At this public hearing any person present you believe that their interest in property is affected by the proposed by law shall be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard on matters contained in the proposed by law under consideration.
[3:40] All speakers please keep your presentation as concise and on topic as possible, my responsibility
[3:47] has chairs to ensure that all comments related to the matters of the proposed by law
[3:53] and not about other items.
[3:56] Those of you who wish to speak concerning the proposed by law should approach the podium on
[4:01] our left on your right and commend your presentation to be counsel by slowly and clearly
[4:08] stating your name and address. As well, please print your name on the speakers list at the podium,
[4:16] so we may record it accurately in the minutes. Then you may proceed with your presentation.
[4:22] This hearing is being live-streamed and video-recorded and may be accessed on the city's website.
[4:29] You'll see the sign up there saying, we are on air. Members of council may ask questions of you
[4:36] following your presentation.
[4:38] However, the function of the council members
[4:40] is to listen to the views of public.
[4:42] It's not the function of council of this public hearing,
[4:45] to debate the merits of these issues
[4:47] within individual citizens.
[4:49] Once this public hearing is closed, council cannot receive
[4:53] any further input.
[4:55] During the hearing, we ask that everyone
[4:57] be respectful of different viewpoints
[4:59] and refrain from applause or other expressions
[5:02] of approval or disapproval.
[5:04] At the conclusion of public hearing council will reconvene the regular open meeting in order to consider third reading of the subject by law and you will all welcome to remain in attendance.
[5:17] Thank you.
[5:25] Miss Wood, can you provide the publication information?
[5:30] Your worship, it was published, published, sized in July, 9th and 16th edition of the Morningstar.
[5:37] Thank you, Miss Wood.
[5:40] Mr. Miles, can you provide Council on the public with an overview of the Official Community
[5:45] Plan, Polls and Village Centre amendment by Law 680 of 2026?
[5:53] Welcome, Mr. Miles.
[5:54] Certainly.
[5:54] Thank you.
[5:55] A Worship.
[5:57] As stated, this is an official Community Plan amendment application for 2,5001-14th Avenue.
[6:04] The purpose of this application is for a proposed future postal and village center.
[6:10] There's a number of addresses and properties that go along with this proposal that will detail in a second
[6:18] year.
[6:21] So there are eight parcels in total.
[6:23] The highlighted and blue on your screen there.
[6:25] They total about 9.3 hectares or 23 acres in size.
[6:29] The subject properties are in the Pulse and Neighborhood and are primarily access to a VIA Highway 6 in Kalamalka Lake Road.
[6:37] The properties currently has a number of businesses including the Kalatire Head offices, being a brewing and the BC Forestry Building.
[6:45] The northern properties are directly adjacent to Pulse and Mall, which has a number of amenities and clean grocery store restaurants and baking institutions.
[6:53] to the West, the Properties Board, or the CN Railway,
[6:57] Pulse and Park, and Vernon Creek.
[7:02] The current land use is a mix of desonations,
[7:04] including natural area and industrial,
[7:07] with the majority of the site designated urban neighborhood
[7:10] shown in the dark orange.
[7:12] There have been neighborhood desonation currently
[7:14] provides for a variety of residential building types,
[7:17] including apartments and townhouses,
[7:20] and a small portion of the total area is designated designated
[7:23] industrial, which are the two smaller properties in the self-west corner.
[7:30] Not under review today, but for reference there's also a number of zoning designations that go along with the properties, so we could refer back to this if needed, but we won't go into detail of the zoning today.
[7:43] A quick aerial look at the properties. You can see the Caltire Office is centered in the middle with the vacant lands to the north that are adjacent to BNA brewing.
[7:57] The applicant is a provided national concept package, which was attached as part of the report for
[8:03] your review.
[8:04] A preliminary site plan shows the initial concept, and it's just to give an idea of how the
[8:10] future buildings could be integrated into the site and the existing road network.
[8:19] This slide just shows an overall expansion of the concept, and on the left it shows pedestrian
[8:24] and cycle proposed pedestrian cycle transactions and on the right preliminary open realm
[8:31] in public space concept, which is focused on a central plazo, which is the red dot in the
[8:37] middle. Just a quick review of the OCB amendment process two day. So, an advance of this
[8:46] submission and the formal application, the applicant conducted a public engagement outreach,
[8:51] which included an open house in September of last year, the open house was held at BNA
[8:57] Brewing, adjacent with more than 160 people and attendance, and that summary of that engagement
[9:04] is attached to the report. Following that, the application was accepted in February, went
[9:11] through a planning review and referral in March. It was considered by the APC and May,
[9:17] which supported the application and first and second readings in June, which leads us to today for public hearing and potentially third reading.
[9:29] On a broader level, I just to give a recap on the overall development process.
[9:34] We are at the left side here, which is the OCP amendment stage.
[9:39] And prior to adoption, we have to go through the public hearing, but at this point there are no other requirements or conditions on the OCP amendment stage.
[9:47] After that is the rezoning stage which a lot of the technical studies and requirements will come in, including the site disclosure statement and provincial approval for that.
[9:59] The traffic impact assessment and provincial approval there.
[10:04] There is currently a TIA ongoing between the city, MOT and the applicants currently.
[10:13] other infrastructure improvements can involve the
[10:17] realignment of 26th Street, transit improvements, and this is where a
[10:21] detailed service agreement would come in. After that, development permits,
[10:27] any needed subdivisions in building permits would come in, and that's where
[10:30] form and character guidelines of any buildings would be done. That's when you get
[10:34] your detailed architectural designs and elevations and that sort of
[10:39] design level.
[10:43] In regards to the overall growth strategy of the city of Vernon, it provides
[10:50] a couple of these key criteria, including increasing housing and designated areas where infrastructure
[10:57] already exists or planned. So this proposal would allow for a mixed use village center and
[11:04] allow for greater intensive commercial opportunities and height within this area. It is also within
[11:11] the current urban containment boundary and focused growth boundary.
[11:16] The report provides a more detailed policy analysis, but just a few have been highlighted
[11:22] here, including housing types and tenures.
[11:28] This proposal could provide a mix of housing types, including missing middle typeologies
[11:36] to help the area.
[11:38] jobs and employment and the proposal is adjacent to a number of nearby commercial and industrial
[11:43] and utility employers and again would increase some residential density in the area.
[11:52] So administration is supporting the proposed OCP amendment again because it's in the urban
[11:58] contaminant and focus growth boundary would increase commercial and residential opportunities for the area.
[12:04] It would also utilize existing Park Connections and Transportation Connections, including the
[12:10] Kalmelka multi-use path and, again, the adjacency to Paulson Park and other amenities
[12:17] for a walkable neighborhood.
[12:20] That concludes staff remarks.
[12:21] Thank you.
[12:24] Thank you.
[12:26] Thank you.
[12:26] Thank you, Miss Miles.
[12:29] Council?
[12:30] Any questions?
[12:30] question also?
[12:33] Tony question I have is anything shifted from the time council have seen this before
[12:38] tonight's public hearing.
[12:42] In regards to the application itself remains the same, there has been no changes.
[12:48] Thank you.
[12:54] Seeing no more questions to council?
[13:02] Yeah, applicant.
[13:05] With the applicant like to make a presentation.
[13:10] Good
[13:24] evening, Mayor and Council.
[13:29] I'm here tonight to talk about the via district,
[13:32] my name is Andrew Kerbis,
[13:34] and I'm the Executive Managing Director at Eruly Real Estate.
[13:40] I'll keep this short and sweet since you guys have been here since 840.
[13:45] Via district represents discussions and planning
[13:47] that span many years, maybe even close to two decades since we've owned that property.
[13:55] For air relief, this is more than a development project.
[13:59] It's a long-term investment in our hometown.
[14:03] As you likely already know, we're a burning-based organization with deep roots in the community.
[14:11] We are committed to creating a neighborhood that adds lasting value for the residents, businesses, and future generations.
[14:20] Thank you to Council, staff, and everyone who participated in the process, we appreciate your
[14:28] consideration tonight.
[14:43] Council, any questions for Harold Leaf?
[14:54] All right, we'll move to the next item, which is representation.
[15:00] The public. Miss Wood, do we have any written submissions not included in the public agenda?
[15:07] Your worship, there are two items that have been received following publication of the agenda.
[15:13] An email dated July 17th from S. Hoburg, and an email dated July 20th from B. Taylor, both of which have been provided to council have been included on the website and in the back, table.
[15:30] council, you have the paper in front of you?
[15:42] Okay, now it's time to hear from the public.
[15:45] I would like to call for a first time for representation from the public in attendance, who would like to speak to this application.
[15:55] Feel free.
[16:06] It's all good.
[16:07] It's all good.
[16:10] Thank you.
[16:11] Just to remind you, you'll provide us with your name and address slowly so we can get it for the minutes.
[16:17] My name is Loretta Locke, L.O.C.K.E.
[16:22] and I live in 4108 leatherback road in Vernon.
[16:27] Thank you.
[16:33] So can I begin?
[16:35] Good evening, Mr. Mayor and Council.
[16:37] My name is Loretta Locke.
[16:39] I'm here to speak in cost of support of O.C.P.
[16:43] Amendment 608O.
[16:46] I recognize tonight's hearing is restricted
[16:48] to the land use redesignation of these 18 acres.
[16:53] I'm using this final public window to address arrow leaf, real estate, 16 story layout
[16:59] because it marks our absolute last opportunity for public input before new provincial housing
[17:05] legislation completely eliminates these democratic hearings.
[17:11] Like neighbors who have submitted written briefs tonight, I have a deep serious concerns regarding
[17:16] whether our municipality possesses the actual water volume capacity to sustain a project of
[17:22] this scale amid chronic summer shortages. However, shifting this underutilized industrial
[17:28] zone into a high-density transit-oriented village is smart growth.
[17:35] Arrow leaves environmental studies appropriately address wind, shadow, and heat island effects,
[17:41] and they have committed to protecting the ecological integrity of Vernon Creek and Pulse and Park
[17:45] through stormwater planters and extensive tree plantings.
[17:50] Council has a unique window to partner with this vision.
[17:54] We are way ahead of construction, meaning we can introduce modern source control engineering standards
[17:59] right now to ensure these promised treatment zones handle surface runoff flawlessly.
[18:06] Current standards civil engineering designs treat pavement runoff as a waste product.
[18:12] flushing it off side into storm swars that pollute our lakes while we import expensive drinking water to
[18:19] irrigate adjacent spaces. This costly cycle wastes public funds on both ends of the pipe.
[18:29] By formalizing Brad Lancaster's Rainwater Harvesting Design Framework within the final approvals under
[18:36] bylaw 6200, we can ensure that high volume pavement and roundabout runoff is funneled throughout
[18:43] concrete curb cuts directly into deeply recessed fire retention basins. This passive reservoir
[18:50] halts the progressive depletion of our groundwater levels by actively recharging our
[18:55] sinking aquifers while saving taxpayer dollars. By utilizing surface retention we downsized
[19:02] underground storm pipes. This nets an immediate credit of roughly $2 per square foot over conventional
[19:08] drainage. Growing a dense canopy at zero utility cost in achieving permanent water savings.
[19:16] I request a formal 15-minute delegation spot on the September 8th Council agenda to deliver an intensive
[19:23] technical briefing to Council and into nearing staff. Thank you. Thank you very much.
[19:30] Council any specific questions for the presenter?
[19:34] Seeing none.
[19:36] Thank you.
[19:37] Okay, I'm just right though, my name.
[19:57] Thank you.
[20:15] Janet Parkins, 758, Cyprus Drive, Coldstream.
[20:20] I agree that this proposal is growth where growth belongs.
[20:24] This is Brownfield Land within the urban containment and focus growth boundaries that is currently designated urban neighborhood.
[20:32] infrastructure is already in place and no upgrades are anticipated for water or sewer.
[20:37] The proposal is from mixed housing, increasing residential density, a range of housing types
[20:43] and tendencies are planned, including town homes, rentals and condos, senior and family
[20:47] friendly housing, including smaller and multi-unit buildings, increasing affordability.
[20:53] The location of lines with Vernon's Transportation Plan is adjacent to existing public
[20:58] transit, will increase transit ridership, reduce vehicle use, decrease congestion, and increase
[21:05] walking and cycling. Because cars are not needed, even surface parking is minimized.
[21:10] The location is adjacent to a wide variety of amenities. Pulse and malls on the north boundary
[21:16] with an existing grocery store restaurants at bank and other shops. The via district is near
[21:21] commercial businesses and employers, and hotel is being considered. Additional retail opportunities
[21:27] are planned within this development. It will be a walkable neighborhood connected to
[21:32] Pulse and Park and Vernon Creek trails and a multi-use path. The development plans include
[21:37] varied and flexible public spaces for community participation, programming, recreation and
[21:43] partnerships and collaborations with community organizations, street trees, green spaces,
[21:49] and connection to nature are included in the development plans. Being so close to the downtown
[21:54] On core, it will also contribute to the vibrancy of the city core.
[21:58] Water conservation will be maximized with poorest services and stormwater treatment zones.
[22:03] I think this development is a well-considered thoughtful and thorough plan that will be
[22:08] an asset to the city of Vernon.
[22:10] My only concern is that I have not seen estimates as to what the different types of housing
[22:15] will cost.
[22:22] Can we have any questions for the presenter?
[22:27] Seeing none.
[22:42] My
[22:46] name is Sierra Vanderdene, 6211 Star Road Vernon. Although I live on Star Road, I frequent businesses
[22:54] in the Pulse in Middleton area frequently, weekly or nearly daily, and my concerns are around traffic calming,
[23:04] especially and also around some non-market housing. So I come down from Milton, and from the
[23:17] East Vernon area. That's a short drive for me, but coming down from Milton onto the Pulse
[23:23] in area, especially with the Highway 6 intersection with Kalenalka, and then the way that Pulse
[23:30] mall is configured with the driveway out next to save on the shoppers and then out onto highway
[23:38] six. I am frankly shocked that there hasn't been more accidents there because the high
[23:45] speeds on highway six because drivers often don't slow down on those areas and there's enough
[23:53] lights there but even the lights only slowed down drivers a bit especially in that area where
[24:00] you're pulling out behind with shoppers and you're just there's a blind corner there from
[24:07] Highway 6 from a little spillway. I believe you know what I'm referring to. Yeah, I would
[24:15] want if you're going to redevelop this area and I know there's also a plan to redevelop
[24:22] a lot of Pulse and Park I believe. I would want this to be a chance to redesign the traffic
[24:28] management there because it seems like every intersection there is an accident waiting
[24:32] to happen, especially because the traffic to Cal Lake, whether that's the dog or the
[24:38] Gen. Juniper, the traffic to those beaches is so high in the summer too. So that is my one big
[24:44] concern about making sure that this is a chance to make sure that this is a safe area to walk
[24:50] to because right now I know like pulsant parkers of place people area that people avoid, it's
[24:58] that people are nervous to drive through, especially me. So as someone who frequency visits this
[25:04] there quite often and who would want to drive around there and who'd want to even take the bus
[25:09] around there, I would really want to see a safer option and a safer way to get around that wouldn't
[25:17] be so nerve-racking drive around. And then my second one and I really do like this point with OCP
[25:26] is making non-market housing so making sure that there are not just more extensive apartments
[25:33] but making sure that there are places that young people like me can afford. So those are two
[25:38] of my greatest concerns so I thank you for hearing them and I hope my highway six illustration was
[25:48] sufficient.
[25:51] Thank you.
[25:53] couch mine. You might have a question for you, come for mine.
[25:57] Yeah. So, not the reverse before I'll ask you, what can you afford for the
[26:02] department, so we have a candle consensus here and what what it would be for use
[26:06] in this town. Good question. I'd say I'd deal honestly for a one bedroom would
[26:13] $700 because I, that compared to say, someone in my age who can get a job on minimum
[26:24] wage, or maybe just $5 more than minimum wage, I believe that that's upwards of about
[26:30] 3,000, but right now most people are charging 1,500 or nearly 2,000 for 1 bedrooms, or
[26:38] for even two bedrooms with two beds to bath.
[26:43] So ideally 700 would be a good goal to reach for this
[26:50] that or maybe a thousand if it's a really nice apartment.
[26:55] You can do it probably would be.
[26:57] Okay, thank you.
[27:00] Thank you, Councilor.
[27:02] Any other questions for the presenter?
[27:12] Welcome.
[27:32] For a short.
[27:33] Good evening.
[27:34] Marin Council. My name is Barry Doreville. I live at 240226 Street in Vernon, and tonight
[27:41] I'm speaking in support of the via district proposal. I believe this development moves
[27:49] burning in a direction that is broadly consistent with the vision outlined in our official
[27:54] community plan. It represents significant residential density within the urban core where
[28:02] residents can live closer to services, employment, recreation, and importantly public transit.
[28:10] We know that concentrating growth in existing urban areas is more fiscally responsible and
[28:18] environmentally sustainable approach than expanding into the urban fringe.
[28:22] I also appreciate this project's mixed-use design,
[28:29] developments that combine housing with commercial uses,
[28:34] help create neighborhoods where more daily needs can be met
[28:38] without relying on a vehicle for every trip.
[28:42] I'm also encouraged by the proximity to Posen Park
[28:46] and the Vernon Creek corridor.
[28:49] I really hope that when this project proceeds and I hope that it does, that it becomes an example of how development can coexist with and even enhance natural spaces, particularly wetland sites.
[29:08] Now, all of those things said, I do have two concerns in hand. Thanks for setting it up, Sierra. They coincide with the previous speaker.
[29:17] The first is transportation, anyone who regularly drives through this area knows that significant congestion already exists around the mall.
[29:30] And with, in the proposal, it said 500 to 900 units are being proposed.
[29:36] With that increase in residential activity, notwithstanding the fact that there is going to be significant efforts around providing
[29:46] alternate means of transportation, active transportation, and infrastructure for public transit.
[29:55] Traffic will still only get worse.
[30:00] I really hope that council ensures that sufficient steps are taken to mitigate this inevitable problem and to require that the developer contribute a fair share toward the new and improved road infrastructure that will be needed specifically to accommodate the increase in traffic that is being generated because of this project.
[30:27] We need to, we need to fix this area for a long time and say the resources need to go towards doing so,
[30:34] but the fact that there will be an increase in the challenges that exist seems to me that it requires the developer to contribute a fair share towards the solution of that exacerbated problem.
[30:50] The second concern is around housing affordability.
[30:56] Now, the proposal mentions that they're going to be looking for significant increases in the allowable building height.
[31:04] And again, I think that that's a wise thing. We need to build up, not out.
[31:09] And so that is broadly in alignment with the kind of growth that we need to prioritize in our community.
[31:18] However, when we add density to land, we are adding additional development rights, and it is a direct increase in the value of that land, and the profits that can be made from it, and that's not a bad thing.
[31:38] The process is not a bad word,
[31:43] but when additional development rights are granted, it is reasonable
[31:48] to ask whether the community should also receive additional public benefit in return.
[31:57] So I would encourage Council to explore whether a reasonable percentage of the units be made
[32:08] affordable by the definitions that exist within the OCP. Or another meaningful housing contribution
[32:16] around affordability in some other format could be incorporated into the project.
[32:24] So overall, I believe this proposal represents the kind of growth varnish should be encouraging.
[32:30] If we want to reduce sprawl, make better use of existing infrastructure and take real tangible steps
[32:38] to implement our Climate Action Plan then projects like this deserve our support.
[32:45] My hope is simply the council ensures that the development also addresses the transportation
[32:52] issues and some of the additional value created through increased development rates
[32:58] is returned to the community by supporting affordable houses, housing, through the zoning
[33:06] or permitting processes.
[33:10] Thank you.
[33:14] Council, any questions for the presenter?
[33:21] Seeing none, thank you.
[33:51] Hi, my name is Jane Wexel and I live at 39515th Avenue.
[33:56] I also would like to speak to the via district and I do approve of it.
[34:02] When I moved to Vernon 38 years ago, I did my homework before I purchased a home.
[34:06] I researched what would make my home something that would appeal to buyers and in the
[34:12] to sell it sometime in the future.
[34:14] I had no idea if it would be my forever home at the time.
[34:19] But based on what I learned,
[34:22] and these items still apply to housing needs in Vernon today,
[34:26] I gave my realtor a list of needs.
[34:28] A short commute time to work,
[34:30] close to a grocery store, shopping, a bank,
[34:33] and a drug store.
[34:35] Walkability was a top priority.
[34:37] I enjoy walking around a neighborhood
[34:38] and into town to do chores.
[34:40] And I know many people that prioritize walking to stay in shape and be relaxed.
[34:46] I wanted to be near a park or a green space.
[34:49] The house had to be close to a transit route and I wanted nearby healthcare.
[34:54] My husband and I are still in that same small house and we love it.
[34:58] Our neighbors and neighborhood are great, but that being said,
[35:02] we both expect that we will have to downsize as yard work and maintenance will be more than we can handle in about five to ten years.
[35:08] We have discussed that if one of us were to die, we would like to be living in a space where one could manage on their own and would not have to move again.
[35:16] Having residents of all ages would be a big benefit, families and younger residents energize a neighborhood.
[35:23] Should we be unable to drive for medical reasons, transit is imperative.
[35:28] Our house borders the park and is close to walking trails.
[35:31] We are very grateful for those green spaces and we take advantages of them every day just like the kids in the neighborhood did when they were young.
[35:41] It dawned on us that the via district would be a viable option.
[35:45] I worked at the Cal Tire office at the end of my working days and I frequently access Pulse and Park via the boardwalk during the lunch hour.
[35:54] Many of my coworkers of all ages took advantage of this walkable green space break in the day.
[36:00] What a wonderful perk for people living in this development.
[36:05] To finish off, I now prioritize a few more things than I did in my early 20s and 30s.
[36:12] As many things have changed, as Vernon has grown up.
[36:15] I now really prioritize water conservation.
[36:19] Keeping taxes lower by building on existing sewer, water, and roads as the via district will.
[36:26] Inturing the Vernon has a variety of housing types that are affordable for all its residents and workers,
[36:33] and that they can get around on public transit, even if they can't afford a car, insurance and gas.
[36:41] I believe that the via district neighborhood will revitalize our downtown core.
[36:46] That has been a priority in our last three OCPs, and I would love to see that finally happen.
[36:54] I like that this proposal supports the transportation plan.
[36:59] It should help, rather than make our traffic congestion problems and air quality problems worse.
[37:06] I think this proposal will be a real benefit to Vernon.
[37:10] If it offers a mix of housing, which contains truly affordable housing options for Vernon residents,
[37:17] it will tick all the boxes for me.
[37:19] Thank you.
[37:23] Council, any questions for the presenter?
[37:32] Hello. Hello. My name is Kelly Westgate. I live at 85-08 clear-crote and cold stream number 49. I also wanted to speak in support of the via district. I think this is the right development at the right time in the right place. I did want to reiterate what some of the other speakers have said, though, about water concerns. We're in a historic drought. As we all know, everything's dying, we're having a hard time with enough water for everybody that's already here.
[38:00] So just in any possible way, low flow toilets,
[38:05] any way that you can integrate anything within the design
[38:08] that can really take that into consideration.
[38:11] And I would implore Council to look into things
[38:14] that may have previously seen radical too,
[38:16] because we are desperate times.
[38:20] So, but I think it's great.
[38:21] I love what it's an improvement to the area.
[38:24] I'm a frequent biker on that trail.
[38:26] So, you know, making sure those good shade trees,
[38:30] you know, good, good canopy cover and reducing that heat island
[38:34] like you said is great.
[38:36] So, yeah, I'm over all up.
[38:37] I'm very supportive, but just please keep water in mind.
[38:40] Thank you.
[39:04] Now, if you're chance, same price.
[39:15] I'll call for a second time.
[39:45] You need my name again, right?
[39:47] Yes, just a record.
[39:48] Right, Loretta Lock, Lowe C.K.E.
[39:51] for 108 leather-back road Vernon.
[39:56] Good evening Mr. Mayor again, council and engineering staff.
[40:03] My name is Loretta Locke and I'm stepping up for a second turn
[40:06] to demonstrate how the water savings lessons from the via district
[40:11] template can fix Vernon's overall infrastructure vulnerabilities.
[40:16] A critical regulatory blind spot exists between our city departments.
[40:22] While planners wrote brilliant environmental guidelines into OCP620, the engineering department
[40:29] is structurally handcuffed by subdivision servicing Biola 3 for 3 Schedule F. Schedule F legally
[40:36] forces developers to build rigid pipe and convey drainage systems that flush clean rain off
[40:42] into storm swars while our groundwater tables dry up completely overriding the original intent of our broader water conservation policies.
[40:54] We must strengthen our regulatory frameworks as we look at item 3 on tonight's agenda regarding by last 6.0-8.2.
[41:03] The city is appropriately attempting to refine its landscape and screening regulations.
[41:08] However, this text update focuses strictly on surface aesthetics and simplifying diagrams.
[41:14] I'm just going to help you out here.
[41:17] If this is focused on the via, you're on the right one.
[41:20] If you're going to wander into the next file.
[41:22] Okay, sorry.
[41:22] I'll get you to hold that for the next file.
[41:24] Okay.
[41:25] We want to hear both.
[41:26] Okay.
[41:27] This is focused on via.
[41:28] Right.
[41:29] So, you will get a second chance on the next by-law.
[41:35] Okay, it remains the engineering department seems to be blind to our systemic water crisis.
[41:44] Obdating zoning diagrams does nothing if our engineering rules continue to force developers
[41:49] to treat rain like a liability.
[41:52] Instead of only shifting to expensive reclaimed water systems, we must update stormwater drainage
[41:58] by law 5995, and by law 3843 to mandate rain harvesting
[42:02] designs citywide.
[42:05] We must increase pavement effectiveness by mandating
[42:08] permissible interlocking concrete papers for modern
[42:10] pedestrian walkways, parking lots and roundabouts,
[42:15] sloping hardscapes into deeply recessed sunken
[42:17] by a retention basin's turn pavement into a collection
[42:21] apron.
[42:23] This approach is substantially cheaper
[42:26] eliminating costly subterrain and store mains and saving public capital right from the start.
[42:33] This deep route hydration recharges our water table.
[42:36] Directly targeting the chronic groundwater starvation causing canopy distress.
[42:40] I'm going to interrupt you.
[42:42] This is regarding the via as well.
[42:46] Absolutely.
[42:47] Appreciate it.
[42:47] It was later in the agenda.
[42:49] Absolutely.
[42:50] So the chronic groundwater starvation
[42:55] causing canopy distress across historic areas
[42:58] like East Hill, it lowers summer pavement temperatures
[43:00] by up to 25 degrees and maximizes city-wide water savings.
[43:06] So I reiterate my request for a formal 50-minute delegation spot
[43:10] on the September 8th Council session agenda
[43:12] to deliver a comprehensive technical briefing
[43:15] to update our engineering specifications
[43:18] for all future developments, residential lots, public roundabouts, and the greater cultural
[43:23] center plaza, and this is a huge chance for us via district as a huge chance for us now
[43:31] to really begin with that.
[43:35] Okay.
[43:36] Thank you.
[43:41] Thank you.
[43:49] So I'll call for a third in a final time,
[43:57] seeing you all on a podium.
[43:59] I will close this public hearing.
[44:02] Thank you for your input.
[44:08] So as you heard earlier, we're going to go through this two more times on two other bylaws
[44:12] and then we'll meet as a council and make a decision about each of these three items.
[44:21] And you're welcome to stay and watch us make a decision.
[45:12] All right, I'll move to our second public hearing tonight. I'll call this public hearing to order for by law 6082-2026, which is a zoning text for landscape regulation updates amendment.
[45:29] Ms. Wood, can you provide the publication information?
[45:35] Sure.
[45:40] This public hearing is convened for the Local Government Act in order to consider the following.
[45:46] Zoning text landscape regulation updates amendment by law 608 to a 2026 by law 6082 to update
[45:56] section 6 landscape and screening regulations of Zoning by law 6000 as part of phase 2 refined implement implementation
[46:06] to simplify by law requirements and clarify diagrams.
[46:10] All submissions received by the deadline have been posted to the city's website for viewing and are available on the media table at the back of the room in the information binder.
[46:21] Any latest submissions will be noted by the corporate officer and administration will be asked to present the application.
[46:28] At this public hearing any person present who believes that their interest in property is affected by the proposed by law should be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard on the matters contained in the proposed by law under consideration.
[46:40] All speakers, please keep your presentation as concise and on topic as possible.
[46:46] My responsibility as chair is to ensure that all comments relate to the matters in the
[46:51] proposed by law.
[46:53] Those who wish to speak, concerning the proposed by law should approach the podium and
[46:58] convince your presentation to counsel by slowly including your name and address as well.
[47:04] Please print your name on the speakers list at the podium so we may record it accurately
[47:09] in the minutes.
[47:09] Then you may proceed with your presentation.
[47:12] This hearing is being mined and recorded and may be accessed on the city website.
[47:19] Members of Council may ask questions of you following your presentation.
[47:23] However, the function of Council members is to listen to the views of the public.
[47:27] It is not the function of Council that is public hearing.
[47:30] To debate the merits of these issues with individual citizens.
[47:34] Once this public hearing is closed, Council cannot receive any further input.
[47:39] During the hearing, we asked that everyone be respectful of different viewpoints and refrain from applause or other expressions of approval or disapproval.
[47:48] At the conclusion of the public hearing session, Council will reconvene the regular open meeting in order to consider third reading of the subject bylaws, and you are all welcome to remain in the attendance.
[48:00] Thank you.
[48:07] Ms. Wood, can you provide the publication information?
[48:09] Your worship, it was included in the July 9th and July 16th edition of the Morningstar.
[48:16] Thank you.
[48:17] Ms. Wiltsing, please provide council in the public, because in overview of the zoning text,
[48:22] landscape regulation updates, amendment by last 6,082 of 2026.
[48:30] Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
[48:31] This presentation will provide a brief overview of the proposed amendments to section 6,
[48:36] landscape and screening of zoning by last 6,000.
[48:41] Zoning by last 6,000 was adopted on June 24, 2024, to repeal and replace the previous Zoning by
[48:48] low 5,000.
[48:50] The purpose of this replacement was to align with new requirements from the province,
[48:54] related to small-scale multi-net housing and transit oriented development.
[48:59] To meet the deadlines set by the province for the adoption of the new Zoning by law,
[49:03] a three-phase approach was initiated, comprised of phase one, design, including the creation
[49:09] by-law 6000. Phase 2, refine, including updates to sections not covered by provincial legislation,
[49:17] such as section 6, which is seen before you today. And phase 3, align, including aligning
[49:22] the nearby law, with official community plan, transportation plan, and housing needs report,
[49:27] to support the city's long-term growth and development estimated for early 2027.
[49:34] The intention of these updates to section 6 are to streamline and clarify regulations
[49:39] Specifically, administration is driving to simplify requirements to improve civic communication.
[49:46] Incorporate fire risk mitigation standards to enhance community resilience and improve alignment with the new official community plan.
[49:55] Actions take in to need this objective include defining key terms such as soft landscaping to improve clarity and interpretation.
[50:04] Clarifying irrigation requirements, including the areas of existing undisturbed vegetation,
[50:10] landscape areas specifically designed is zero-scape, a low-water-use landscaping method,
[50:15] and landscape areas with established, drought-tolerant vegetation, do not require permanent irrigation.
[50:23] Streamlining maintenance criteria is many maintenance requirements previously included are covered under other bylaws, such as the Good Neighbor bylaw.
[50:29] And refining key diagrams including those for wildlife considerate fences and an example landscape buffer to improve consistency and interpretation.
[50:41] Another key change is the incorporation of fire risk mitigation standards, including requirements for the immediate, intermediate and extended zones based on fire smart BC principles.
[50:52] These include restricting new combustible mulch,
[50:56] canifer shrubs, and trees within the media zone.
[50:59] Restricting new canifer shrubs, or canifer's trees within ten meters of a building,
[51:03] unless specific criteria is met within the intermediate zone,
[51:07] and establishing a minimum spacing of three meters between new canifer's trees within the extended zone.
[51:15] Feedback has been received from the Ministry of Transportation and Transit,
[51:18] requesting a broad compliance statement to ensure requirements to not conflict with
[51:22] or undermine provincial legislative requirements.
[51:25] As a result, the following text indicated in red
[51:27] is proposed for addition to Section 6.1.1 to accommodate
[51:32] this request.
[51:34] In summary, the update to Section 6 align with key priorities
[51:38] of the recently adopted official community plan,
[51:41] including the creation of a vibrant, safe,
[51:43] and inclusive neighborhoods that are pedestrian-friendly,
[51:46] sustainable, and resilient for future generations.
[51:49] Specifically, a strong alignment has been identified with Objective 4.2.5, which seeks to enhance
[51:55] the community tree canopy and recognize the importance of sustainable planting alternatives,
[52:00] where tree planting is not feasible due to site constraints.
[52:03] Action 5A, which identifies an update to the landscape regulations in the zoning by-law,
[52:08] is a priority, an Objective 4.6.2, which seeks to reduce the risks of persons and property
[52:14] for major hazards, including wildfires.
[52:18] Thank you.
[52:22] Council.
[52:23] Any questions for Ms. Waltsi?
[52:31] Ms. Wood, have we received any written submissions that were not included in the public agenda?
[52:37] You wish that there are no additional submissions?
[52:41] All right, I'll call for a first time for representation of the public attendance, who would like to speak to this application.
[52:53] I will call for a second time.
[53:00] I will call for a third and final time for the public attendance, who would like to speak to this application.
[53:09] Seeing none,
[53:13] I declare this public hearing closed.
[53:20] We'll move now to public hearing number three.
[53:26] I will call this public hearing order.
[53:30] This public hearing is convened pursuant to local government act
[53:34] in order to considering the following.
[53:37] Zoning text, very text, various text amendments,
[53:41] and amendment by law 6083 of 2026.
[53:45] by law 6083 is swept eight very sections of zoning by law 6,000 pertaining to projections
[53:52] in the yard, slopes, grades, purpose, access, and airport land uses as part of phase 2 refined
[54:00] implementation. All submissions received by the deadline have been posted in the cities website
[54:06] for viewing and are available on the media table at the back of the room in an information binder.
[54:14] Any late submissions will be noted by the corporate officer, administration will be asked to
[54:19] present the application.
[54:23] Roger is still there in the back corner.
[54:27] So that's for the media table is.
[54:29] You're doing well, Roger.
[54:30] It's been a long day.
[54:32] At this public hearing, any person for President to believe that they're interested in property
[54:38] is affected by the proposed by law should be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard
[54:43] matters contained in the proposed by law on a consideration. All speakers, please keep a
[54:48] presentation as concise on top of your possible. My responsibility as chair is to ensure
[54:52] that all comments relate to the matters of the proposed by law. Those of you who wish to speak
[54:58] concerning the proposed by law should approach the podium on my left on your right and
[55:04] commence your presentation to counsel by slowly and clearly stating your name and address.
[55:08] As well, please print your name on speakers list of the podium, so we may record it accurately in the minutes.
[55:14] Then you may proceed with your presentation. This hearing is being live streamed and video recorded and may be accessed on the city's website.
[55:23] Members of council may ask questions of you following your presentation.
[55:28] However, the function of council members is to listen to the views of the public and is not the function of council.
[55:37] digital citizens, once this public hearing is closed, Council cannot receive any further
[55:42] input.
[55:44] Here in the hearing, we ask people to be respectful of different viewpoints and refrain from
[55:48] applause or other expressions of approval or disapproval.
[55:52] As the concludes in public hearing, Council will reconvene the regular open meeting in order
[55:57] to consider the third reading of the subject bylaws in your welcome to remain in attendance.
[56:08] Ms. Wood, can you provide the publication information please?
[56:14] Worship, it was included in the July 7th, or throughout the July 9th and 16th editions of the Morningstar.
[56:21] Thank you. Mr. Brierick, could you provide council in the public with an overview of the zoning text?
[56:28] Various amendments by last six, zero, eight, three, of twenty, twenty, six.
[56:34] Thank you, Worship, yes, and could even council. Just to a brief presentation,
[56:38] And Ms. Wiltsi's overview of her bylaw has a similar framework to this bylaw.
[56:44] It's a technical implementation zoning bylaw to help bring the zoning more in line
[56:51] with the community plan and also to in an effort to reduce unwanted variances.
[56:58] So this bylaw is a range of amendments, and it's specifically to deal with projections into
[57:05] yards, which are allowed in the Zoning By-law, development management of slopes, regulations
[57:12] related to driveway grades, purpose statements of each by-law, district zone, access, and
[57:22] airport related land uses.
[57:24] And the attempts are just simply to fine tune the existing Zoning By-law in light of our major
[57:31] CPU review, and to help reduce the amount of variances required.
[57:38] So specifically, the projections into the yards is basically
[57:41] aligned this into more of a construction standard,
[57:45] going to 0.6 meters.
[57:50] And the second one is a slope, variances eliminating
[57:53] the in the by-law right now, it's a hard regulation,
[57:58] and no developments over unslob, so over 30%, with a new community plan, we have a much more
[58:05] prominent role in development management on the hillsides. Those developments have to go
[58:09] through development permits and through the geotech studies and hillside studies that
[58:15] regulation is developed to be needed in the zoning anymore, and it also helps reduce the
[58:20] to various grades with respect to driveway grades.
[58:25] Basically, the subdueration service in Viola deals with the details of driveway grades
[58:32] once we get to a subdivision or development project and we don't want conflicting regulations
[58:39] in the Viola's.
[58:41] The purpose statements right now, the Viola has a number section in each purpose and there's
[58:47] in instances where we felt we needed to come to Council or to the delegate with a variance
[58:53] for the purpose.
[58:55] And it was just an arduous variance that was really the purpose statement as just a description
[59:01] of the zone as opposed to a regulation.
[59:05] Access, right now, the zoning bylaw speaks to a number of accesses, whereas the subversion
[59:11] service in bylaw again is a more technical document and it should be in there and not in
[59:16] by a lot and try to eliminate redundancies and conflicts, and the last one was to do with
[59:24] the airport. The burning regional airport has always had a principle driving land use of
[59:31] airport-related uses, and there is a provision in there that is light industrial, which could
[59:37] open up the airport asset to non-airport-related uses. So that was thought to be added into
[59:45] this by law amendments.
[59:49] And that recommendation is to carry on as we are to a public
[59:53] hearing and it has to have to be reviewed and signed by the ministry.
[1:00:00] The fact, basically, the whole city. That's an overview. Thank you, Mr. Rodriguez. Yes, that's fine. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Craig, can you back to grades for a second?
[1:00:15] So take your, we're taking out the no construction of a building structure or serving pool on any slope of 30% or greater.
[1:00:29] We'll take in that out.
[1:00:31] Yeah, that's correct.
[1:00:32] I couldn't, I think there's a schedule in here.
[1:00:37] Let's go into the current and proposed wording.
[1:00:40] They just find it. So a section for our currently says no building no construction of building a structure swimming pool is permitted on a slope gradient from a send and it's a full deletion
[1:00:51] So then if someone comes in with an application for a swimming pool out of 40% slope would happen
[1:00:57] They would have to go through the building inspectors with a flag it and they say you need a development permit for this
[1:01:03] We would require a geotextedity and structural and call the supporting documentation
[1:01:09] So is that going to be obvious in the bylaw to somebody developing like I know we've
[1:01:18] had a lot of these right as we've turned like this sort of a bit of a frustration.
[1:01:25] So thanks for doing this, this is great.
[1:01:28] But is it going to be clear in the bylaw that that triggers D.P.
[1:01:32] Like where will that information be found?
[1:01:37] Yeah, if I could your ship through accounts requiring it's it's won't be in the zoning by law
[1:01:42] through the development review process whether it's a pre-oplication or a sit down with the building
[1:01:48] official one of the planners that's the time it'll be flagged so you're going to need a development permit for this
[1:01:53] for whatever reason it hillside fire
[1:01:57] flooding whatever so it'll be flagged at that at hopefully a
[1:02:02] a pre-authorization meeting. If there isn't one, it'll be at the building
[1:02:06] for a stage and there could be some, some rounding back to a development
[1:02:10] program. Until the development community, the builders get to know us, what
[1:02:15] the changes. So I don't like that. Because before we get into this, this is what
[1:02:24] questions. This is why? About questions. Oh, we get lots of
[1:02:31] So we'll do that. I should know this after 15 years, but you'll tell me what to do.
[1:02:36] Thank you. This is about questions of clarity and you did really well up until that point.
[1:02:42] And then you must have been more than a 30 degrees slope because you stepped off into the hole.
[1:02:48] That's right. I think that's what you call a 90 percent slope.
[1:02:55] Council on any other questions from Mr. Broadrick. Seeing none, this would have we received any written submissions that were not included in the public agenda.
[1:03:07] No, we haven't yours.
[1:03:09] Okay, I'll call for a first time, for represent for the public intensity, would like to speak to this application.
[1:03:21] I will call for a second time.
[1:03:27] I will call for a third and final time.
[1:03:32] Seeing that there's no one approaching,
[1:03:37] I declare this public hearing officially closed.
[1:03:43] Council, we'll now return to the regular agenda, which we recessed earlier.
[1:04:04] We're reconvened in the meeting.
[1:04:06] This is for bylaws for third reading. The official community plan,
[1:04:10] false and village center amendment by law six, zero, eight, zero of twenty, twenty, six.
[1:04:15] Can I have a motion please?
[1:04:17] A moved Councillor of Quiring, Councillor Mund.
[1:04:21] Can I have staff providing information about what is now allowed within this village designation
[1:04:30] in the OCP?
[1:04:32] Mr. Miles, because it's not zoning, this is this is village OCP.
[1:04:38] So it'd be helpful for the gallery, and maybe even Council to understand the difference.
[1:04:45] Certainly, thank you, Worship.
[1:04:47] Yes, with this at the OCP level, what this amendment effectively does is it's similar
[1:04:55] to what be designated out there village centers with a few added policies, so that with the
[1:05:03] this would bring a little bit of additional commercial intensity, as well as policies to support
[1:05:10] the additional height. So it's quite similar to the other village centers with a few
[1:05:18] had policies specifically for the development to accommodate the future zoning changes potentially.
[1:05:29] So if I continue with the conversation, then the issue that's been raised is about building
[1:05:35] height or stories, what will be permitted given this OCP at this stage?
[1:05:42] So how it sits now, there is policy that the policy is worded to consider height greater
[1:05:48] than 16 stories.
[1:05:51] So right now, currently the max is still 16 stories in our zoning by law.
[1:05:57] So the what the policy does is allow for potential future amendments to consider that extra
[1:06:06] height based on some public benefit atomities.
[1:06:10] So with the next stages there would still be some sort of planning tool that would be required,
[1:06:16] whether it's a site specific text amendment to our variants or zoning change to allow
[1:06:22] for that additional height anywhere above 16 stores.
[1:06:25] So that would return to Council at some future date.
[1:06:31] Yes, that's correct.
[1:06:35] Thank you.
[1:06:37] Council, any other questions to Mr. Miles?
[1:06:44] Seeing none.
[1:06:45] I'll call the question, all of us in favor.
[1:06:48] Those opposed.
[1:06:50] Seeing none.
[1:06:50] Motion is carried.
[1:06:53] We'll move now to zoning text landscape regulation updates
[1:06:56] by law six or eight two of 20, 20, six,
[1:07:00] by the wrong one?
[1:07:05] Absolutely.
[1:07:07] This would.
[1:07:09] It's nice to know who's in charge sometimes.
[1:07:11] This would.
[1:07:12] Your worship in regards to this by law,
[1:07:16] there has to be an amendment made
[1:07:18] at second reading prior to third,
[1:07:21] due to the request from MOTT to add that.
[1:07:30] Presentation. So I've created a motion here of council's comfortable with it. That would add the wording of unless
[1:07:37] superseded by applicable provincial legislation. So that would have to be done first.
[1:07:43] The second is council occurring.
[1:07:47] So we're going to move the first motion first and then this motion second.
[1:07:51] All in favor? Those opposed motion carried. Now, a motion for the text amendments.
[1:08:02] Councillor Guy, Councillor Fair,
[1:08:06] any comments?
[1:08:08] Seeing none, called the question, all is in favour of those.
[1:08:12] Post-motion is carried.
[1:08:15] Imagine a text amendment if we hadn't been going for 10 and a half hour.
[1:08:19] We might really have a debate.
[1:08:23] We'll move to the next item.
[1:08:24] The Zoning Tech Spirious Text Amendment by Law 6083 of 2026.
[1:08:30] Councillor Garus. Councillor Guy.
[1:08:37] Any comments? Go ahead, Councillor Quiring.
[1:08:43] Oh yeah,
[1:08:43] I cut you off when you were driving off. When you were driving off for the 30% slow. Go ahead,
[1:08:49] Councillor. I'm still not used to getting cut off. So eight years. Is there Greg?
[1:09:04] Is there
[1:09:04] away we can insert into this that something in excess of 30 percent triggers the requirement
[1:09:15] for a development permit. Just to avoid the poor person that is coming in for building
[1:09:22] permit, and hasn't done a pre-app meeting, and then we get the key mail.
[1:09:31] So that's what I'm trying to avoid.
[1:09:34] I mean, Mr. Braderick, you've been around this a few times.
[1:09:40] Yeah, thank you, Yourship, Councillor Quiring, that's only by that typically doesn't round
[1:09:45] back to OCP regulations, it's that there is the regulation for a development permit for
[1:09:54] hillside, you know, when to 30% slope, or a certain trigger to do a development permit.
[1:10:02] It is on the onus of an applicant to get familiar with the different planning documents,
[1:10:07] to open to debate, to have a section in the zoning by-law to say a development permit is required.
[1:10:14] I generally, it's not a good practice to do that I would say, but that's my feeling on it.
[1:10:22] Well, you could.
[1:10:24] What about the choir?
[1:10:26] Thank you, sir.
[1:10:28] What about the choir?
[1:10:30] Like aren't there requirements when you're on the lakefront?
[1:10:35] When you're within the right area,
[1:10:38] area, regulation, 30 meter, you require a DP. Where's that found in the, is that in the OCP?
[1:10:48] Yeah, so that would be the community plan in the, in the, in the designation of the, the waterfront,
[1:10:54] uh, the aquatic development permit areas. And if you're in, and provincial statute, if you're building within 30 meter,
[1:11:02] you need to evaluate your screen-side protection in the hospital area and go through that
[1:11:06] long permit.
[1:11:09] I mean, I'm okay with, like, I just wanted to say what I said, but I'm okay. I'm not going
[1:11:16] to fall on my sort on this. You're absolutely correct. It's up to the applicant to get
[1:11:20] themselves. I quite did what they're trying to develop, so I'm good.
[1:11:27] Mr. Barn.
[1:11:28] Thank you, Joseph, from a planning department perspective, public education and certainly applicant
[1:11:36] knowledge is one of our key objectives to ensure that a property owner has all or the best
[1:11:43] information possible. You can imagine the planning world, it's a lot. We talk about this
[1:11:48] almost every week how to be able to get the right process out the right information out. And so
[1:11:53] a tool that we've been that other municipalities use and we've been slowly bringing it on here
[1:11:58] is information bulletins. Again, it's not necessarily a one-size-fits-all but certainly
[1:12:04] as much public education as we can get out there that if we wanted to do a public notice on
[1:12:10] how to apply for a pool coming. It would be a one-page or a two-page quick little snapshot. We've
[1:12:20] up about 10 or 15 of these on any number of planning topics. We try to have a paper copy at our
[1:12:25] front window. We also try and publish a PDF online. There's no reason why a topic like that
[1:12:31] as to how to install a pool in a hillside area couldn't have a bit of a bulletin. And then it
[1:12:39] would be as we're up here in the website. One of the key things is then to introduce AI where if a person
[1:12:44] to type in the key words that is directly linked to this bulletin.
[1:12:49] So we have some work to do, but I suggest that any number of planning topics are complex.
[1:12:54] Our objective is very consistent with the set of trying to get the right information and the right process out.
[1:13:00] The number one objective is to have an applicant make a full application from day one,
[1:13:08] is the easiest part for us to be able to minister.
[1:13:11] And when they don't submit the right information, or we have the back track, it's not only a pain for a council complaint, it's a pain for us to be able to administer that as well, we don't like it either.
[1:13:21] And so, to be able to get that information out, it's important.
[1:13:23] And so, that's yet another tool, and certainly we could try and create like an information bulletin on the specific topic.
[1:13:34] I would think, sorry, you're sure this is one last point.
[1:13:36] I would think all the major developers that of the 5 or 6 major hillside are a lot easier.
[1:13:42] year to contact. We're in touch with them almost every week and so the major players I think are
[1:13:49] quite easy to be able to let them know as to what the process is and we can do that.
[1:13:53] It's more I think the issue is regarding a property owner that, as you say,
[1:13:57] wouldn't have otherwise known that there's a DP to be able to do something small like a building
[1:14:01] addition or a pool that would normally just require a building permit. So I think that's the bigger
[1:14:06] issue than the major developers
[1:14:10] just to follow that up. I think the really good point which you're
[1:14:14] And information boldness says, if you're doing anything on slope is greater than 30 percent,
[1:14:21] here's what falls out.
[1:14:23] Just so that they would immediately go, oh, okay.
[1:14:27] I mean, a different whole kettle of fish here.
[1:14:31] All right.
[1:14:33] We've heard from counterquiring, much appreciated.
[1:14:36] I just wanted to put him in the right box.
[1:14:38] It's kind of a comfortable thing as mayor eight years on.
[1:14:43] Council. Any more comments? Seeing none, I'll call the question. All those in favor?
[1:14:49] Those opposed. Seeing none, motion is carried.
[1:14:55] Meaning closed.
[1:15:00] You can, the artist thing, and this is his.