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Good afternoon and welcome to the July 30th meeting of

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Victoria City Council, our daytime meeting. Today we have for

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our consideration one item of unfinished business. Reports from the

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July 23rd and this morning's committee of the whole. Could

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I have some order please. Five bylaws for preliminary readings

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and final adoption and a couple of closed items of

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business. But of course before we begin our work together

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we always like to take a few moments to ground

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ourselves and our work and some would suggest our very

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existence and here in the City of Victoria on the

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wonderful and continuing generosity of the two nations on whose

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territories our city sits in its entirety, the Sonkes Nation

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and the Cosasum Nation of the La Quangan people who

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have for so many generations, centuries taken the time to

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be great stewards of these lands and this of waters

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that surround them. And we occasionally have remarkable opportunities to

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join with them to help support their members and all

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of the community both on the nations, current lens as

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well as the lands that they traditionally and currently have

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titled to. And that is a chance yesterday as we

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did to join them in an Elder's lunch where Songhees

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hosted an Ecosepsum hosted many elders, hundreds of them actually,

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who were visiting from a round Vancouver Island who were

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fetted for the very delicious Ludgern yesterday at the Song.

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He's Wellness Centre. A number of our staff volunteered their

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time to join NIS servers and bottle washers and busers

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and just folks who were there to show support in

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a very practical and very meaningful way. When we have

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the chance to do things like that, we remember how

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close is our alliance and how remarkable is the opportunity

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that we have to not just learn from one another

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and work together. But to meet new among us and

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to create new relationships as well as solidify the ones

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that we have. And so it was a wonderful opportunity

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for us to be there yesterday and certainly was noticed

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and appreciated both by the host nation as well as

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the many visitors who were there from other nations. And

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I think what's also appreciated by those of us who

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hit a chance to participate. So once again enjoying the

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chance to be partners and allies and to work together

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respecting the past. But facing the challenges of the current

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day and looking ahead to the folks who we hope

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we're serving well as we move forward. As we always

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like to say a simple thank you as we do

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in so many people now know to say the simple

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phrase of Haychussium or Archkessium Nikhilia, which is just to

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say thank you and also to add on honorific and

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honouring of those people who are here in the chamber

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in the city and throughout our neighbourhoods as individuals who

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choose at some point during each day one hopes to

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do something that would make a little bit better someone's

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life, someone who affects you and is affected by you.

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So with that I would say hi to Casey and

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Equalia and welcome to today. We just noticed I did

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earlier this morning at our committee that this is the

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last day of our Council meetings before Council takes its

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usual hiatus in August. And so I once again would

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urge each of us to be as judicious as possible

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in our comments so that we might attend to our

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very full agenda in a timely manner this afternoon. I

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am not aware of any late items that need to

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be added to today's agenda and so I would look

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for someone to move the published agenda. These Council Colemans,

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I could make on Cereco. Any discussion of the published

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agenda. Seeing none, all those in favor, anyone opposed. That

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is unanimous. Now there are four items that we're proposed

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for the consent agenda. I'm aware that there is at

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least one of them that wishes to be removed or

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has someone wishes to remove rather. But let me just

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read them for the information of public and those are

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the four items that were either unanimous at the Committee

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of a whole previously or are for preliminary readings. I

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will just note that we went through a number of

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items earlier today in a Committee of the Whole. Uh,

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we will go through those again one night of time

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so that we can accurately record those votes both at

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committee and here again at Council. Uh, again these were

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either unanimous or committee or for preliminary hearings. And these

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will all actually come back to us. Should they be

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necessary later this afternoon? So that's G1AA, the report back

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on strategies and resources to require cooling and Victoria's rental

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buildings. G1AC, the Council Member Motion with regard to enforcement

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against derelict buildings, neglected properties and vacant commercial spaces. Item

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H1, the Bylaw for 517 - 533 - and5 -

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37 Chatham Street and 530532 - 536 Herald Street. They're

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resounding application and development permit with variances application for those

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addresses. And item H2, the bylaw for 2612, 2616, 2620

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and 2628 Richmond Road and that would be specifically for

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the housing agreement. Does anyone wish to remove any of

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these items. Cancer Gardner is suggesting H2 should be removed.

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So we'll do that. Anything else? Not seeing any other

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suggestions. So it's someone like to move the other three

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items as the consent agenda. Thank you very much Councillor

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Gardner, second of my councillor Kim. All those in favor.

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Anyone opposed. Those are unanimous. What does take us on

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to one item of unfinished business? That's item f1 and

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this is with regard to the Victoria housing reserve fund

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application for the mid - town affordable housing society for

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its location at 611 Speed Avenue. Now I believe in

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fact there's an updated report for this and so I

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would look for one of our able staff to present

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that report as much as needed. And also to explain

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why there is an updated report. Mr. Sauerd. Good afternoon

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Mayor Council. My name is Ross Howard, manager of housing.

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This item was not ratified by Council on May 7th

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as there was a desire to confirm for their details

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of the application. Subsequently on July 7th, the applicant formally

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withdrew their grand application to the city as they were

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not successful in receiving funding through Bilt Canada homes. And

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that was a condition of their funding for the Victoria

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Hydron Reserve Fund. And so this report, uh, simply confirms

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the withdrawal of their application, uh, and it's just being

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shared with council for information at this time just to

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close the loop on this item. Thank you very much.

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Are there any questions on that. Culture on a councillor

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gardener? Yeah. Um, thanks. And through the chair to staff.

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I want to get a sense of what's going to,

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what do we know, what's going to happen with this

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building? I mean up until now it started out as

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a condo, then it was going to be rental. Then

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I was going to be this co - op. In

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terms of how we categorize this building, what's our presumption

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now? Is it going to be sold as market rental

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or what happens to it now? Mr. Sower, do we

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know that? Through the mayor, I think at this point

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in time, all we know is the project is still

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looking to receive final occupancy. And, uh, the owner is

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still the, um, the group that, uh, brought the projects

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or through the approvals and construction process. Um, it's sort

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of up to the landowner, I guess, to determine how

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they want to move forward. But, uh, but it seems

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as though the conversion to the sort of co -

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op approach, his head of roadblock is they aren't able

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to have the funding from Bill Canada Holmes. Okay. And

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if the 677, 000 is not going to them, which

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it can't and it shouldn't. What does that leave the

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balance of the housing reserve fund at? Is it 4.

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5 million or is it five point something million. Mr.

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Sauer. Through the mayor, I believe it's around 4. 8

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million. Count for crew. Count your screw donut. Sorry. Is

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RCFO looking at or is that? Is that it? I

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think that's all you know at that point. Yeah. Okay.

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Was Thompson? Are you going to do anything to add.

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Um, through the American, certainly look it up. I don't

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have it off the top of the head. Okay. I

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just had one in a question, which is that council

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did have some skepticism around this one. We did amend

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it to ensure that the federal grant was received before

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we gave this grant and it ends up, they did

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not get that grant. So I'm glad that we amended

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it. But is there lessons learned on this one? Like

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in terms of trying to protect our investments and our

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grants is the one. Mr. Seward. Through the mayor, um,

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I would note that like the Council of the original

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Council Motion that had been provided, like would also have

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prevented the funds from being released. So I think that

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original council motion did have kind of conditions in place

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that, you know, provided managed risk for the city. Uh,

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that being said, I do think that it did identify

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that there are some gaps in the housing reserve fund

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guidelines specifically around, um, criteria that would be explicit for,

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um, sort of the nonprofit co - op model. And

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so we could just have some more detailed guidelines in

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that. So I think that's something we can take into

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account as part of the update to the housing strategy.

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Okay. Thanks. No one can seem to figure out how

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to crack the nut on, on co - ops right

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now, right? Is there other information on HRF? Otherwise I'm

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done. Just so hard to do anything to add. Nope.

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Not at this point. No. Okay. All right. That's it.

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Okay. Councillor Gardner. Thank you. And thank you for the

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good news. Um, I'm just going to summarize a wee

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bit will happen on April 16th when this proposal came

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through to us. We ended up being very quite confused.

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I have to say that. That's really what happened. We

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had a group applying for the money. And it was

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not the co - op. And as we delved into

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the matters, um, the risk to the city I think

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became very high in many people's minds on this council.

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And it was, I mean, it was just plain old

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worrisome. And, uh, I appreciated, I think, believe it was

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a council Caradono who had the amendment, which I seconded,

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which was to tie that 677, to approval of the

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federal grant, which did not come through. And personally on

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April 6th, that whole discussion was very unsettling. The next

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day I spent hours and hours rereading those documents. And

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although each document kind of looked okay standalone together, they

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didn't make sense to me. I then spoke to staff

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about it and told them my concerns. We about time

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it also had someone seen the VC assessment value of

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that property for 2025. And so the whole thing was

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disturbing. And on May 7th, it was actually council did

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not proceed with it, but it was actually its staff

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request that staff wanted to look further into it. Now

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it's a very wise decision. So thank you staff for

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that. And, uh, so I'm pleased that the 600 and

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67, 000 was not given away. Thank you. Thank you

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very much. Councillor Hammond. I'll be brief. Um, I, I

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also like to, um, acknowledge my colleagues from bringing in

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that caveat that was going forward. And I remember how

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reluctant I was even going in the first place. But

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I want to know, I want people to know that

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it was two people in particular who were sending me

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emails and others who really alerted me to this. And

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so I just want to, I won't give their names

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in case something will happen to them. But we all,

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we all know them. We all got the emails. And

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I just want to say that thanks for the diligence

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of a lot of people. I even ended up calling

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the head of, um, the co - op association in

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British Columbia having a conversation with a person while I

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was down in Mexico as a matter of fact. And,

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uh, it was really enlightening for me about what was

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going on. So I'm really pleased that the, um, due

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diligence was done on this. And well, it made it

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easier when the other level of government withdrew. Thank you

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very much. Anybody else. How's Coleman? Thank you. Um, and

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thank you to staff for this. I think if there's

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a learning lesson for council, it's when the report first

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came forward, it suggested we could give, uh, a significant

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amount of money and an application would be made to

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the federal government or the federal funds as a condition

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subsequent. We reversed the process and said, no, actually federal,

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the federal approval should come first. And that is perhaps

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the lesson learned that we should always, uh, say, yes,

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we will support certain initiatives. As long as the others

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have done due diligence as well as us. Because we

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could have been caught the other way. Um, and I

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think that this is, I'm sad that we now have

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to go through a different process and make sure that

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the building is used, but it, uh, is also about

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protecting the investment of the taxpayers as well. So I

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think that. I understand how we got there. And there

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were lots of hopes that were attached to this. They

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weren't forthcoming. And I think I'm very thankful that the

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federal government did some due diligence. And it wasn't made

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apparent. And so we aren't on the. Being hung out

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for the funds. It's wondering how you're going to phrase

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that. Anyone who hasn't yet spoken wishes to do so.

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Nope. Councillor Gardiota subsequent comment or question. Did you have

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a subsequent company? You put your hand up a second

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time. Oh, all right. Yes. It's just a motion to

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receive, which is why I wasn't being overly harsh on

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the commentary. Yeah. Councillor Gardner is moving to receive. Is

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her second, please. Thanks Councillor Caradona. Any final comments. Not

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seeing any. All those in favor of receipt. Anybody opposed.

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Is unanimous. Thank you, Steph, for your diligence as others

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have noted. That takes us on two reports of committees.

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First, we'll deal with the report from July 23rd. Privilege

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mayor. I'm sorry. Big burden. Did we ever get an

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answer about the, uh, amount left in the reserve fund?

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I thought it was 4. 8 million. But did you

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want to correct that? Ms. Thompson. Through you, Mary, yes,

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the amount that is uncommitted at this point is 4.

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2 million. There you go. Thank you, Councillor. Um, the

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report from July 23rd Committee with the Whole. The first

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item, G1AA was on the consent agenda. So that's already

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been considered just for the information of the public. That

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is the report back on Strategies and Resources to Require.

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In Victoria's Red Bull buildings. So that has been finally

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resolved. And again, because we're at Council, when that is

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considered on the consent agenda, it is a final resolution.

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The next item though was not unanimous at Committee, and

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that was G1AB. This is the economic unemployment land solutions

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report. Uh, this was carried in the majority, but there

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were noted oppositions. So we'll have someone move that again,

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please. Nice Councillor Kim, seconded by. Councillor Lon. Uh, Councillor

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Kim or Lot, and any comments to make at this

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time? Anyone else wished to make any comments? Councillor Gardner,

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go ahead. Thank. You, Mayor. Thank you, Mayor. Last week,

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those who love Old Town were given a shock. That

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shock is not subsided. Trust, fragile after OCP 2050 is

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further broken. While the public hearing was waived by the

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majority of council, perhaps other changes can be made. The

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hotel working group, which created the greater Victoria Hotel Development

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report, which is the underpinning for the bylaw amendments before

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us. But there was no similar group struck to consult

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on Old Town Heritage. So, um, I would like to

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make an amendment to the seven instructions that are there.

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Namely, the insertions of an item between items three and

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four. Go ahead. Just to give us a minute to

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read it. Picture everybody understands what it says. Essentially, I'm

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going to summarize it, but if everyone else. Hold on,

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don't do that. Let's let us read it first. And

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then I'll come back to you after I seek a

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secondary for your motivation.

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Okay, that seems on its language clear. Uh, I will

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accept that as a moving, an amendment. Is your secondary

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for that amendment? Councillor Howmund is Seconding. Go ahead, Councillor

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Gardner on the amendment. Excuse me very much. Um, I

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think the amendment speaks for Sef. It's actually to, uh,

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direct and get a broader heritage consultation group to consider

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the updated decal policies for the historic commercial district, Old

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Town. And that group to include members of the Heritage

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Advisory panel, Victoria's Civic Heritage Trust, the hallmark society. And

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no inheritage experts in BC. Thank you very much, Councillor

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Hammond. Anything you'd like to add. Nothing, Senator? No. Okay.

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Any other comments. Councillor Kim. Councillor Lord. Um, thanks through

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the chair. Um, again, a question to the mover and

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it is totally up to you to answer or not.

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Um, I, I like where this is going. I just

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don't know why we're consulting Heritage Experts in BC if

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this is such a, uh, Victoria specific concern. Are we

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talking about heritage experts in BC who are familiar with

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the area? Um, why not consult like federal heritage experts?

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Just, I'm trying to understand the scope here. Council Gardner,

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would you like to try and answer that? There are

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no one heritage experts in BC that are actually in

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Victoria. A lot of people, I think inheritage world are

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very familiar with it. This is not identify any particular

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person. All right. How's your load? Any questions? I do.

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Thanks for you, Mayor. Is the heritage advisory panel not

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already involved in the decap updates and also the heritage

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review? Like, isn't this consultation already happening. Who would like

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to answer that. Yes, please go ahead. Through the mayor,

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Andrea Hudson, assistant director of Citywide Planning, um, we haven't

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yet commenced our projects around the Heritage Programmer Newell or

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the broader downtown core area plan update. But those are

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two projects that we, um, we will be considering and

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we would be bringing those, um, project approaches to counsel

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in the future. So likely the new council, um, and

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at that time we would propose an engagement strategy as

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part of those projects. And we would, um, provide some

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advice about who should be consulted and counsel you would

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have an opportunity to sanction that at that time, but

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that will be for coming to the next council. Okay.

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Thank you for that. So if I might just to

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clarify, so you're suggesting that this is already your intention.

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Um, so the mayor to engage on those projects broadly,

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including with Heritage groups would be our intention, but we

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just haven't gotten to that level of detail yet as

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we're still in the project planning stage. Any questions just

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before I go back to Consecrator, are there questions or

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comments. Councillor Gardner? This is to go beyond the, let's

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get feedback, um, engagement. It's to actually suggest consultation. We've

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had consultation with the hotel group. And this is very

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important. And I believe this gives good direction to stuff.

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Thank you. May I ask Steph, how you would interpret

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this inclusion. And I guess my question is what impact

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if any does this have on the larger motion. Ms.

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Hudson. Um, through the mayor, um, my reading of this

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is that it's meant to direct consultation on broader downtown

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core area plan policy updates. Whereas the rest of the

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motion is dealing with more immediate zoning changes. So I'm

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not sure if it impacts the rest of the motion

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or if that's what the mover intended. That's a great

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question. Councillor Gardner, did you intend for this to have

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an impact on the more immediate term work, which is

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the bulk of the rest of the motion? Does attachment

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A have an impact. I would think so. Yes. Within,

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yes. So yeah. Attachment A is about author. So just

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to be clear, you've just wanted to clarify, you do

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intend this to have an impact on the short term.

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And that's just attachment A is part of the short

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term. Yes. Very good. All right. So, um, I'm going

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to put my question to staff then. What impact would

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this have on the rest of the motion. Uh, through

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the mayor, if this is to seek, um, advice from

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these groups on the proposed tax exemption program and the

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other zoning changes, then we would have to undertake that

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work before, uh, embarking upon those amendments. So, um, it

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would just, it would add some time onto the project.

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Yes, that was the source of my question because five,

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six, and seven, uh, if I recollect from the answers

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to some of our previous questions, we're very specific to

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those particular programs. Uh, and so I actually support number

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four. I just don't think that it should be there.

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If anything, I think it should be a motion arising.

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Because it seems to me that from staff's response, it's

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more applicable to the broader discussion, which I think is

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crucial. What I would be loathe to have it have

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delaying impact on, uh, in particular, the RTE. So I

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can support the content of this, but not where it's

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placed. Uh, other comments. Councillor Caradona. Yeah, I think before

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it was moved, it actually, we should have talked to

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staff because I think it probably should have been ruled

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out of order. Because what this motion is about is

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pretty narrowly confined to the central business district. It doesn't

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really have very much to do with Old Town a

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little bit. Uh, but given a minimum stick, we're made

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last week or the week before even less so. What

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this is doing based on my reading is setting up

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some kind of a permanent consultation group. It's not saying

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have a consultation with X groups. It's saying create a

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new group that is much more generally applicable to decap.

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So to my mind, this should be part of a

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decap related motion, either a Council Member motion or motion

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arising or something that would relate to the totality of

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what's going on in DCAP. I don't think, I don't

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see this as nearly addressing, sorry, addressing this relatively narrow

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scope of this motion here. So I don't think it

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belongs here at all. It's not, to my mind, it's

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not in order. Thank you for that opinion, Councillor. Anyone

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else on this particular amendment. Uh. No, you cannot. That

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is correct. Councillor Thompson. Just wanted to clarify an earlier

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comment from staff. So if I understand the normal process

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properly, uh, it would be that staff would go away

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if this wasn't here. Staff would go away and be

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looking into who to consult and would come back to

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council with a recommendation. Here's the people to consult. And

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that would probably be up to the next council anyways.

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Is that correct? Through the mayor. Yes, we would do

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that for the broader revisit of the downtown core area

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plan and the heritage program update. That is a separate

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work from these more immediate. Recommendations. So yes, that was

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our intention is for the, for the bigger projects, we

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would be coming back to Council to consider the broader

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engagement plan that we would do. And that would likely

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be after the election and onto the next council, whoever

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that is. Yes. Okay. I think that this is premature.

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So I'll be opposing it on that ground. Thank you

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very much. Anyone who has not yet spoken wishes to

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do two reminding that we aren't council. Okay. Councillor Gardner

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closing off. Closing off discussion. Yes. On your amendment, yes.

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On your amendment. Nothing on the amendment. Okay. Uh, I'm

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going to vote against this because I hope that what

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will happen is that it will not be included in

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this and that there will be emotionalizing falling this, which

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would be entirely appropriate. So all those in favor of

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the amendment. Councillor Coleman, Councillor Hammond, Councillor Gardner. And opposition.

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Concert Dell. Councillor Kim, Council Cardinal, Councillor Loughton, myself and

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Councillor Thompson. Councillor, uh, so that is defeated, noting three

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and opposition. Rather, sorry, three favor six in oppositions backwards.

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Uh, Councillor Gerd, you're before I move on, would you

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like to reserve the right to hold that as a

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motion rising after we conclude this? Great. Excellent. I will

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come back to you at that point. So on the

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main motion, not amended. Yes. Go ahead, Councillor Hammond. Have

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you not concluded your remarks. Not at all. Oh, well,

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but go ahead then. Sorry. I thought you had. Staff,

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please put up the map I provided. On page 12

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of the industry of the industry report, this one. There

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was a map suggesting distribution of hotel supply. The map

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suggests almost all of Victoria could be home to new

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hotels. But last week and since we've heard chatter of

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hotel projects already envisioned, perhaps 10 for the city Victoria,

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wherein Victoria? Could we have the map, please?

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Is that the map you're requesting? Great, good. I asked

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the question already. Sudsen. Uh, I'm sorry. Could you please

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repeat the question. This is, to me, my time. No,

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your time is not recorded when you're repeating a question.

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The request was staff. Okay. Thank you. Um, last week

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we heard there's lots of chatter of hotels already envisioned.

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We heard that jury in our session last week. Perhaps

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10 for Victoria. So I was wondering where in Victoria,

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uh, and how many are envisioned to be reuse of

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heritage or underutilized buildings? Because it also mentions office buildings

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in that report in this report. And how many of

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the 10 envision hotels, uh, would be uncleared sites. Ms.

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Hudson, do you know that? Um, through the mayor, I

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don't have the report in front of me, but I

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do recall that there wasn't that level out of, of

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specificity around, you know, there was a lot of discussion

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about hotel opportunities that could be new builds that could

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be reusing heritage buildings. Um, but I don't believe there

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was specific numbers in each of those categories. I think

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they were just all seen as opportunities. And it also

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talked about hotel opportunities in the whole region in addition

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to Victoria. Yes, thank you. This schematic shows the dark

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blue. It's just the city victoria. So are there spots

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throughout the whole city that are being considered. Perhaps do

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you need an additional staff person to join you to

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answer some of these questions? Good afternoon. Mayoraulta Robert Batalla,

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senior planner, Community Planning Division. Um, if I can maybe

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try and elaborate, um, with the map, uh, shows here,

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which is from the destination greater Victoria report is that

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hotels are anticipated and needed throughout the region. The report

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talks about there's a full spectrum of different types of

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hotels, full service, motel, et cetera. And so it's really

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looking to try and draw and incentivize those types of

471
00:28:28,448 --> 00:28:31,707
developments to occur throughout the region. Um, the report also

472
00:28:32,048 --> 00:28:35,947
certainly acknowledges Victoria as the Centre for tourism, arts and

473
00:28:35,968 --> 00:28:39,707
culture, whatnot, as it's likely to receive the most amount

474
00:28:39,968 --> 00:28:44,107
or highest concentration of hotels. I think naturally. But there's

475
00:28:44,107 --> 00:28:47,947
no specific breakdown of how many may occur. Um, what

476
00:28:48,368 --> 00:28:50,987
assistant director Hudson, I think is trying to explain is

477
00:28:50,987 --> 00:28:55,227
that, uh, what was discussed last week is that the,

478
00:28:55,227 --> 00:28:59,147
uh, revitalization tax exemption, for example, would be open to

479
00:28:59,187 --> 00:29:03,787
providing an incentive where, for example, a vacant site is

480
00:29:03,808 --> 00:29:06,427
being proposed for a hotel. And that could be anywhere

481
00:29:06,448 --> 00:29:08,747
in terms of a vacant site. It could also be

482
00:29:08,848 --> 00:29:13,147
applied to where there's a non - residential building that

483
00:29:13,168 --> 00:29:17,067
could be converted to a hotel purpose. So in a

484
00:29:17,107 --> 00:29:20,187
class C office, for example, um, as well, it would

485
00:29:20,208 --> 00:29:24,347
apply to an existing hotel, motel. If they are looking

486
00:29:24,528 --> 00:29:28,507
to also add additional net new guest rooms to their

487
00:29:28,608 --> 00:29:32,667
property. And so it's quite robust and flexible that way.

488
00:29:32,667 --> 00:29:35,787
But it doesn't specify what specific, we wouldn't get into

489
00:29:35,888 --> 00:29:39,467
what specific type of hotel. If it's a five star

490
00:29:39,507 --> 00:29:41,867
hotel or three star, et cetera. But she's really making

491
00:29:41,907 --> 00:29:46,283
quite flexible and open to all forms of hotel. In

492
00:29:46,283 --> 00:29:48,363
response to sort of the key objectives outlined in the

493
00:29:48,464 --> 00:29:52,389
destination greater Victoria report. So I hope that helps. Thank

494
00:29:52,429 --> 00:29:56,137
you. The tax incentive. The industry report references several times

495
00:29:56,398 --> 00:30:01,257
existing heritage rehabilitation within the city. Seismic upgrades conversion grant

496
00:30:01,278 --> 00:30:05,977
programs. And suggests exploring or expanding heritage program. Nowhere in

497
00:30:05,977 --> 00:30:09,817
the industry report is a 10 year tax holiday estimated

498
00:30:09,918 --> 00:30:14,457
at 48 million dollar gift. So how did this come

499
00:30:14,457 --> 00:30:17,746
about and who chose this. And why is it a

500
00:30:17,746 --> 00:30:21,568
blanket tax holiday. To all or any hotel as opposed

501
00:30:21,589 --> 00:30:26,715
to just heritage. Said a Mr. Vitalis from Ms. Hudson

502
00:30:26,816 --> 00:30:29,415
or who'd like to take that? Maybe I'll start. Um,

503
00:30:30,816 --> 00:30:33,235
the direction that staff have right now was essentially, I

504
00:30:33,235 --> 00:30:36,235
think it was previously discussed at Council and Destination Grade

505
00:30:36,235 --> 00:30:37,835
of Victoria was presented. And that was just the idea

506
00:30:37,856 --> 00:30:43,435
of exploring a tax exemption to strategically encourage the development

507
00:30:43,475 --> 00:30:47,995
of hotel type accommodations within Victoria. Um, staff have not

508
00:30:48,016 --> 00:30:51,835
prepared the revitalization tax exemption. That's actually something that we're

509
00:30:51,835 --> 00:30:54,475
starting to look at and be preparing drafts at something

510
00:30:54,475 --> 00:30:58,475
that would come separately to council. The intent right now

511
00:30:58,496 --> 00:31:04,875
is that the tax exemption would provide. A proportionate reduction

512
00:31:05,216 --> 00:31:08,715
in the municipal tax that's collected for each of those

513
00:31:08,976 --> 00:31:12,715
hotels or new motel or guest rooms that are developed.

514
00:31:12,715 --> 00:31:14,955
Um, it's not, it would not be a full 100

515
00:31:14,955 --> 00:31:17,675
percent exemption of the municipal taxes, but it's just a

516
00:31:17,715 --> 00:31:20,395
proportionate reduction. So it is a little bit different than

517
00:31:20,416 --> 00:31:23,115
the heritage program. And so we are looking at sort

518
00:31:23,115 --> 00:31:27,115
of different approaches for that, but the whole focus as

519
00:31:27,216 --> 00:31:29,275
the other week when I call it Malcolm McClane presented

520
00:31:29,296 --> 00:31:31,115
the item was that it would be focused on the

521
00:31:31,456 --> 00:31:36,635
incremental increase in value resulting from the capital improvements that

522
00:31:36,635 --> 00:31:38,315
occur on the site. So it's not a full tax

523
00:31:38,355 --> 00:31:43,255
holiday. It's just a proportion on the municipal portion. The

524
00:31:43,255 --> 00:31:46,715
property is still subject to all other, um, federal provincial

525
00:31:46,755 --> 00:31:52,553
CRD hospital school board taxes. Thank you. I understood that.

526
00:31:52,553 --> 00:31:57,433
Um, and, um, I understood the reduction in the conference.

527
00:31:57,433 --> 00:32:00,953
But the estimate was still 84 million dollars now in

528
00:32:01,214 --> 00:32:05,753
2026 residents, both homeowners and tenants contributed about 56 percent

529
00:32:05,934 --> 00:32:10,673
of the tax revenue that came in. And 2026, it

530
00:32:10,673 --> 00:32:14,633
was 177 million. So this 84 million favor will be

531
00:32:14,633 --> 00:32:20,873
born essentially by, uh, 56 or 57 percent by residential

532
00:32:22,014 --> 00:32:27,649
homeowners and tenants. I think that's important to recognise. Now

533
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:31,649
has the staff considered a 60 or an 84 million

534
00:32:31,750 --> 00:32:38,883
tax exemption for any other industry. Ms. Hudson, I think

535
00:32:38,923 --> 00:32:40,803
that's to you. Although I do believe that you actually

536
00:32:40,803 --> 00:32:44,350
answered that question before. And when we last considered this

537
00:32:44,451 --> 00:32:49,070
matter, but please do consider it again. Through the mayor,

538
00:32:49,070 --> 00:32:51,390
no, the other tax exemption programs that we have are

539
00:32:51,491 --> 00:32:56,990
for Heritage Rehabilitation, um, to encourage new rental buildings in

540
00:32:56,990 --> 00:33:00,430
the city and to encourage retrofits of existing rental buildings

541
00:33:00,691 --> 00:33:04,090
to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. So this would be, uh,

542
00:33:04,371 --> 00:33:10,019
an additional new tax exemption program specifically for hotels. Has

543
00:33:10,019 --> 00:33:11,539
there been any other exemption at that kind of level

544
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:17,139
of 84 million over 10 year period. Ms. Thompson, I

545
00:33:17,139 --> 00:33:20,316
think this is to you. Um, three mayor. I don't

546
00:33:20,356 --> 00:33:24,156
have the details of our existing exemptions. Um, so I

547
00:33:24,156 --> 00:33:26,396
would have to pull that, but, uh, but across all

548
00:33:26,436 --> 00:33:30,636
of our exemption programs, whether they be revivalization exemptions or

549
00:33:30,636 --> 00:33:34,556
regular permissive exemptions, um, they told, we are quite generous

550
00:33:35,057 --> 00:33:38,056
as the city as we've talked in the past, but

551
00:33:38,056 --> 00:33:42,076
I would have to pull the information to look exactly

552
00:33:42,417 --> 00:33:47,516
how, uh, much that would be, uh, the number of

553
00:33:47,516 --> 00:33:49,436
course that is being referenced here is over the 10

554
00:33:49,537 --> 00:33:54,476
year period when we report out on the one year.

555
00:33:54,476 --> 00:33:58,876
So the annual amount. So that's what, cause it varies.

556
00:33:58,876 --> 00:34:02,636
And properties come on and off, um, each year. So,

557
00:34:02,636 --> 00:34:04,236
um, I would need some time to pull this information

558
00:34:05,057 --> 00:34:07,676
if it's needed. Thank you. I understood the Rodola 84

559
00:34:07,777 --> 00:34:09,916
million. It would be about 8. 4 million per year

560
00:34:10,417 --> 00:34:12,995
more or less. Cause of course the 10 years aren't

561
00:34:12,995 --> 00:34:15,555
going to be a solid 10 years. Um, so I

562
00:34:15,555 --> 00:34:18,435
think that was, uh, no one. So my real question

563
00:34:18,456 --> 00:34:22,035
was any other this kind of tax exemption to an

564
00:34:22,075 --> 00:34:24,515
industry. So not your housing, but just to an industry.

565
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,551
Final comment now, I guess. Unless we get a motion

566
00:34:28,572 --> 00:34:33,831
arising after this, the conflation of tax exemption with revenue

567
00:34:34,012 --> 00:34:38,791
or taxes years later gives a false linkage. One is

568
00:34:38,831 --> 00:34:41,182
not dependent on the other. I do not buy for

569
00:34:41,222 --> 00:34:43,822
a moment. That a hotel would decide not to build

570
00:34:43,843 --> 00:34:48,150
in Victoria without a 10 year tax holiday. The key

571
00:34:48,190 --> 00:34:52,870
themes considered a critical in the letter we received as

572
00:34:52,971 --> 00:34:58,788
councillors, uh, a week ago from, um, destination Victoria. Where

573
00:34:58,788 --> 00:35:04,679
speed, certainty and red tape reduction. Not tax holidays. That

574
00:35:04,679 --> 00:35:07,678
was not mentioned in his letter. Given the absence of

575
00:35:07,699 --> 00:35:11,038
consultation with Heritage groups in the public and given the

576
00:35:11,078 --> 00:35:14,478
84 million dollar tax holiday, I can't support this policy.

577
00:35:15,002 --> 00:35:17,621
Thank you, Mayor. Thank you very much. We could put

578
00:35:17,621 --> 00:35:19,261
the motion back up on the screen. That would be

579
00:35:19,261 --> 00:35:24,081
helpful. Councillor Hammond. Thanks. Mine's going to be an easier

580
00:35:24,182 --> 00:35:28,961
one. Um, last time I was on the four votes

581
00:35:29,222 --> 00:35:32,481
for asking for a public hearing, um, and that was

582
00:35:32,521 --> 00:35:37,201
defeated because five Oden in favor of, um, of continuing

583
00:35:37,382 --> 00:35:40,721
to not hold a public hearing. And then I, I

584
00:35:40,761 --> 00:35:43,681
heard from people afterwards, and some people said, you know,

585
00:35:43,702 --> 00:35:45,121
why didn't you have a public hearing? And I said,

586
00:35:45,121 --> 00:35:47,361
well, I don't mind saying I was wavering on that.

587
00:35:47,361 --> 00:35:50,481
But then there was also some questions that people brought

588
00:35:50,521 --> 00:35:52,001
to me. And as a matter of fact, I remember

589
00:35:52,022 --> 00:35:56,141
one in particular, I asked one of our directors. And

590
00:35:56,141 --> 00:35:59,121
the director gave the right information the person actually who

591
00:35:59,161 --> 00:36:03,281
was asking the question had wrong information and wasn't misinformation.

592
00:36:03,281 --> 00:36:05,121
It was just, they had, they had a wrong assumption.

593
00:36:05,121 --> 00:36:07,361
And it was on that one in which actually the

594
00:36:07,542 --> 00:36:10,701
person had this misconception of what was going on. And

595
00:36:10,701 --> 00:36:12,781
I got a really great response from one of our

596
00:36:12,781 --> 00:36:15,921
directors about this is that I realised the people who

597
00:36:16,022 --> 00:36:19,681
have a lot of misunderstanding about this. And therefore, it's

598
00:36:19,681 --> 00:36:22,961
not for the whole thing, but for my statement as

599
00:36:22,982 --> 00:36:25,361
a whole about not having a public hearing, I'll just

600
00:36:25,401 --> 00:36:28,401
be voting no. I get the pros and cons of

601
00:36:28,401 --> 00:36:31,081
the tax exemptions and because it's on the lift, I

602
00:36:31,081 --> 00:36:33,841
feel more comfortable with this. Um, but it's just on

603
00:36:33,841 --> 00:36:36,001
that, that I'm going to change my vote and vote.

604
00:36:36,001 --> 00:36:38,781
No, I know it won't make any difference. But, um,

605
00:36:39,062 --> 00:36:42,161
and I doubt no one except me, but I just

606
00:36:42,262 --> 00:36:44,481
wanted to say that. Thank you. Thank you very much.

607
00:36:45,001 --> 00:36:48,340
Anyone else on this is on the floor. Councillor Coleman.

608
00:36:49,634 --> 00:36:55,160
Thank you. Um, we will continue to evolve, but as

609
00:36:55,181 --> 00:36:58,200
we do so, we need to make sure that voices

610
00:36:58,221 --> 00:37:02,365
are heard. At the last meeting when we dealt with

611
00:37:02,365 --> 00:37:06,765
this. I asked if item number two could be severed.

612
00:37:06,765 --> 00:37:09,965
So we could deal with the issue of public hearings.

613
00:37:09,965 --> 00:37:11,645
Cause I think there should be one. I think the

614
00:37:11,746 --> 00:37:15,965
collateral impact on Old Town could be enormous. And I

615
00:37:15,965 --> 00:37:18,445
think the public would like to weigh in on that.

616
00:37:18,445 --> 00:37:20,685
I was told it couldn't be severed. And that's fine.

617
00:37:20,685 --> 00:37:23,645
So therefore I voted against the whole motion and I

618
00:37:23,645 --> 00:37:25,805
will continue to do so. Thank you. Thank you very

619
00:37:25,805 --> 00:37:30,149
much. Anybody else? Councillor Dell. Sure. I would just like

620
00:37:30,149 --> 00:37:32,629
to wrap us up. Most importantly while we heard some

621
00:37:32,730 --> 00:37:36,709
complaining about this, this is a absolutely key city strategic

622
00:37:36,730 --> 00:37:39,669
priority. It's one of the key priorities for destination greater

623
00:37:39,709 --> 00:37:41,509
Victoria. And it's one of the most important policies I

624
00:37:41,549 --> 00:37:45,569
think in our city. So I'm quite disappointed here. All

625
00:37:45,569 --> 00:37:47,669
these small side quests around what is a really important

626
00:37:47,850 --> 00:37:50,349
issue of getting more hotels in the area. I mean,

627
00:37:50,349 --> 00:37:51,909
if we're going to do our job here, I think

628
00:37:52,010 --> 00:37:54,069
most of us should read the deck greater at Victoria

629
00:37:54,090 --> 00:37:57,349
Destination Master Plan, which identifies hotel development as a critical

630
00:37:57,450 --> 00:38:00,549
issue for Victoria. We directed staff to do this work.

631
00:38:00,549 --> 00:38:03,349
They went and they worked with all the critical stakeover

632
00:38:04,170 --> 00:38:05,749
in the city and came back with a suite of

633
00:38:05,789 --> 00:38:10,389
policies, uh, unfortunately, um, there's been a lot of admissinformation

634
00:38:10,570 --> 00:38:12,789
about one particular policy, which we pulled out. And that's

635
00:38:12,789 --> 00:38:14,309
fine because it was quite minor. But the rest of

636
00:38:14,309 --> 00:38:17,029
these are really important. Um, so I think it's, it's

637
00:38:17,029 --> 00:38:20,069
really exciting day for us to support this because it's

638
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:22,189
showing that we want people to come to Victoria. We

639
00:38:22,189 --> 00:38:25,029
want to support downtown. We want new hotel development in

640
00:38:25,029 --> 00:38:26,869
the city and we're listening to our staff who have

641
00:38:26,869 --> 00:38:30,229
put forward a really thoughtful suite of policies to make

642
00:38:30,269 --> 00:38:32,709
that happen. Uh, I don't agree with many of the

643
00:38:32,730 --> 00:38:35,349
criticisms here. Uh, the public hearing. I haven't really heard

644
00:38:35,389 --> 00:38:37,669
much at all about these issues other than the one

645
00:38:37,669 --> 00:38:40,309
that we pulled out, which is removed. Um, so I

646
00:38:40,309 --> 00:38:43,029
think overall this is a really exciting win for Victoria.

647
00:38:43,029 --> 00:38:45,589
And I don't want the negative comments distract for, for

648
00:38:45,629 --> 00:38:49,832
how important this is and how much work. Experts have

649
00:38:49,872 --> 00:38:51,672
put into this. And I think this is a big

650
00:38:51,693 --> 00:38:53,512
win for our council. So I'm happy to support this.

651
00:38:54,603 --> 00:38:57,646
Thank you very much. Anyone who hasn't yet spoken wish

652
00:38:57,686 --> 00:39:02,483
to do so. Not seeing anyone else wish to do

653
00:39:02,483 --> 00:39:04,963
so. I will just comment that, uh, I do support

654
00:39:04,984 --> 00:39:08,483
this. I did think that it could withstand a public

655
00:39:08,504 --> 00:39:12,003
hearing, which is why I supported actually withdrawing number two

656
00:39:12,424 --> 00:39:16,323
previously. Having said that, I also think that the content

657
00:39:16,323 --> 00:39:20,003
of the entire thing is very admirable and quite supportable.

658
00:39:20,003 --> 00:39:22,243
So I'm not going to let the lack of a

659
00:39:22,283 --> 00:39:25,923
public hearing push me into a dispensing with the rest

660
00:39:25,923 --> 00:39:28,563
of it, which I think is extremely supportable. Uh, so

661
00:39:28,744 --> 00:39:32,723
I will support it moving forward today. With that, all

662
00:39:32,904 --> 00:39:36,974
those in favor. Councillor Dell, Councillor Kim, Councillor Carradoni Council

663
00:39:37,014 --> 00:39:41,774
Loughten, myself, Councillor Thompson. And opposition, Councillor Coleman, Councillor Hammond

664
00:39:41,795 --> 00:39:45,494
and Councillor Gardner. So noting three N opposition. That is

665
00:39:45,635 --> 00:39:51,183
adopted. That would take us on usually two item G1AC.

666
00:39:51,183 --> 00:39:54,623
Uh, this was the Council Member Motion that was carried

667
00:39:55,044 --> 00:39:58,503
unanimously at the July 23rd Committee of the Whole. So

668
00:39:58,503 --> 00:40:01,503
that has been dealt with on our consent agenda. That

669
00:40:01,503 --> 00:40:03,903
takes us on to a number of matters under the

670
00:40:04,324 --> 00:40:08,163
G1B category. These are all, I feel like I'm just

671
00:40:08,163 --> 00:40:10,783
talking about point of information. Yes. Sorry. Oh, I'm a

672
00:40:10,783 --> 00:40:13,323
bigger pardon. Yes. Uh, would you like to actually, um,

673
00:40:14,324 --> 00:40:17,343
provide a motion arising, which I believe you can just

674
00:40:17,383 --> 00:40:21,983
do with the information that you had proposed as an

675
00:40:21,983 --> 00:40:24,783
amendment, which was not allowed. Let us put that on

676
00:40:24,884 --> 00:40:26,863
as a motion rising. So not a new number, but

677
00:40:26,884 --> 00:40:31,921
just a brand new motion rising. You just push that

678
00:40:31,921 --> 00:40:35,258
up. Thank you, Councillor Gardner. I completely forgot that. There

679
00:40:35,258 --> 00:40:38,938
you go. Uh, moving that, I'm happy the second dat.

680
00:40:38,938 --> 00:40:40,298
Is there any discussion or anything you would like to

681
00:40:40,298 --> 00:40:46,300
add, Councillor Gardner. Um, previous comments. When I hear public,

682
00:40:46,300 --> 00:40:48,860
we're going to have a broad discussion. That's we've seen

683
00:40:48,900 --> 00:40:52,820
before. It means frequently a survey and really kind of

684
00:40:52,961 --> 00:40:57,900
after the fact. And that it's not really, really consultation.

685
00:40:57,900 --> 00:41:00,300
And, uh, I think it's very important that this be

686
00:41:00,401 --> 00:41:03,820
up front. And that's why the consultation, I suggest that

687
00:41:03,820 --> 00:41:06,700
consultation group. So it wouldn't be lost in some general

688
00:41:06,881 --> 00:41:13,100
survey, which can be so, uh, used or misused by,

689
00:41:13,100 --> 00:41:15,891
uh, special interest groups. And so I thought that it

690
00:41:15,891 --> 00:41:18,931
was very important. I realised for staff members were on

691
00:41:20,792 --> 00:41:25,571
this committee that created this, the greater Victoria Hotel Development.

692
00:41:25,571 --> 00:41:28,771
And these people, the heritage people and the people who

693
00:41:28,811 --> 00:41:32,371
love Heritage are as much stakeholders as hotels when it

694
00:41:32,371 --> 00:41:36,176
comes to Old Town. So that's why I wanted this

695
00:41:36,216 --> 00:41:41,376
in there. So the heritage group supposed to be broad,

696
00:41:41,397 --> 00:41:45,616
not a broad consultation process meeting the usual engagement where

697
00:41:45,637 --> 00:41:49,049
you just ask everybody after the fact. I believe they

698
00:41:49,089 --> 00:41:53,289
should be constituted really soon. And I'm not suggesting who

699
00:41:53,470 --> 00:41:56,610
all goes on it. But that we should get, uh,

700
00:41:56,731 --> 00:42:00,290
those are our knowledge groups that we have now. And

701
00:42:00,290 --> 00:42:04,190
I think people here, yourself mayor more than mere, me

702
00:42:04,651 --> 00:42:07,110
can name probably four or five experts were really well

703
00:42:07,291 --> 00:42:10,290
known in this city and beyond this city in the

704
00:42:10,290 --> 00:42:13,971
heritage field. And there may be some who are here

705
00:42:14,232 --> 00:42:17,171
who actually helped do the first guidelines of Old Town.

706
00:42:21,115 --> 00:42:23,694
Yep. Let it open. That's it. Great. Um, yeah, I

707
00:42:23,694 --> 00:42:25,414
do support this. And I support it for a slightly

708
00:42:25,454 --> 00:42:28,694
different reason. Uh, and that is because as I recollect,

709
00:42:28,694 --> 00:42:32,534
uh, we have had extensive conversations about a future examination

710
00:42:32,574 --> 00:42:36,294
of not just heritage and old town or the decap,

711
00:42:36,294 --> 00:42:39,565
but of heritage broadly. Uh, I think that is going

712
00:42:39,565 --> 00:42:43,005
to be an extraordinarily complex and challenging conversation for the

713
00:42:43,005 --> 00:42:46,685
next council that will have many, many twists and turns,

714
00:42:46,685 --> 00:42:48,765
which I don't believe have even been anticipated at this

715
00:42:48,765 --> 00:42:51,805
point. And so I think this fits very nicely within

716
00:42:51,805 --> 00:42:56,365
the context of that larger conversation. Some specificity, particularly around

717
00:42:56,405 --> 00:42:59,805
Oldtime, but for me, this is just one component of

718
00:42:59,845 --> 00:43:02,445
what is a very much larger conversation, which is absolutely

719
00:43:02,546 --> 00:43:05,725
necessary. And which I hope the next council will commit

720
00:43:05,746 --> 00:43:10,525
to doing expeditiously. So I'm happy to support this. Any

721
00:43:10,546 --> 00:43:15,501
other comments on this. Senion, all those in favor. Anybody

722
00:43:15,522 --> 00:43:20,081
opposed. That is unanimous. Thank you for that. Now moving

723
00:43:20,081 --> 00:43:23,441
on to G1B, this is the report from our earlier

724
00:43:23,481 --> 00:43:25,761
committee of the whole meeting today. Uh, we are going

725
00:43:25,761 --> 00:43:28,561
to walk through all of the items individually, although some

726
00:43:28,561 --> 00:43:31,361
of them, uh, we're unanimous. Some of them are not.

727
00:43:31,361 --> 00:43:35,441
So just to ensure that we capture everything accurately. We'll

728
00:43:35,441 --> 00:43:36,481
do them one at a time. And I would note

729
00:43:36,481 --> 00:43:38,001
that the reason they were working through all of these

730
00:43:38,342 --> 00:43:41,041
of course is that as I'd mentioned previously, this is

731
00:43:41,041 --> 00:43:44,561
our last Council meeting before we take our usual hiatus

732
00:43:44,601 --> 00:43:47,201
in August. So we'll just make sure we get to

733
00:43:47,302 --> 00:43:50,081
all of the matters that require any attention before September.

734
00:43:50,884 --> 00:43:54,943
So up first was G1BA. And this is the review

735
00:43:54,983 --> 00:43:58,143
of the tenant protection Bylaw Compensation Requirements, which was amended

736
00:43:58,324 --> 00:44:00,783
and discussed at length. So I will ask for someone

737
00:44:00,783 --> 00:44:04,578
to move this, please. Yes, but we're going to go

738
00:44:04,578 --> 00:44:06,198
through each one, you know, just to make sure that

739
00:44:06,198 --> 00:44:08,578
we have the accurate record of well everything. I believe

740
00:44:09,079 --> 00:44:12,578
councillor, uh, Hammond, you originally posed this, did you not?

741
00:44:12,759 --> 00:44:14,338
Yes. The Ten of Brecht, yes. So you'd like to

742
00:44:14,338 --> 00:44:16,098
move it again. Sure. You have to go through each

743
00:44:16,098 --> 00:44:19,298
one. Yes. Councillor Hammond's moving is your secondary councillor Kim.

744
00:44:19,298 --> 00:44:23,247
Any further commentary. Seeing none, all those in favor. And

745
00:44:23,287 --> 00:44:25,647
he would opposed. That is unanimous. Thank you very much

746
00:44:25,647 --> 00:44:29,567
for that. The promise of tax exemptions for 2027 28.

747
00:44:29,567 --> 00:44:31,567
This was in fact unanimous, but we will do so

748
00:44:31,607 --> 00:44:34,367
again just for the record. This is G1BB with some

749
00:44:34,367 --> 00:44:37,647
elect to move those, please. Thanks Councillor Caradona, seconded by

750
00:44:37,908 --> 00:44:41,679
Concer Coleman. Any discussion. Seeing none, all those in favor.

751
00:44:41,679 --> 00:44:45,359
Anyone opposed. That is unanimous as well. It takes us

752
00:44:45,399 --> 00:44:48,459
on to G1 BC. This was also unanimous earlier. And

753
00:44:48,459 --> 00:44:51,279
this is the Council Member Motion advocacy to the Provincial

754
00:44:51,279 --> 00:44:54,639
Government on continued operating subsidies from a koala housing. Someone

755
00:44:54,679 --> 00:44:58,399
like to move that, please. Also, Gerardone is moving. Concert

756
00:44:58,399 --> 00:45:01,279
Kim is seconding. Any discussion, seeing none, all those in

757
00:45:01,279 --> 00:45:06,235
favor. Thank you. That's unanimous. G1BD. This is the Council

758
00:45:06,275 --> 00:45:09,115
Member Motion on Advocacy to improve return to Futures wanted

759
00:45:09,155 --> 00:45:13,355
on warrants. Uh, this was amended, but eventually was supported.

760
00:45:13,355 --> 00:45:15,755
Someone like to move that, please. Councillor Thompson. I'm every

761
00:45:15,776 --> 00:45:22,456
second that any discussion. Seeing none, always in favor. Anyone

762
00:45:22,557 --> 00:45:26,684
opposed. That is unanimous. Thank you very much. G1BE. This

763
00:45:26,684 --> 00:45:29,724
is the Council Member Motion with regard to formalizing a

764
00:45:29,724 --> 00:45:32,444
fair wages policy. This was also unanimous earlier on the

765
00:45:32,484 --> 00:45:34,444
consent agenda, but we'll do one again here just to

766
00:45:34,444 --> 00:45:37,706
be clear. Uh, Councillor Thompson, you moved this. I forget

767
00:45:37,746 --> 00:45:40,986
who second did it at the time. The Constacardona, thank

768
00:45:40,986 --> 00:45:42,666
you very much for doing that. Any conversation on that

769
00:45:42,687 --> 00:45:47,458
one. Seeing none, all those in favor, anyone opposed. It's

770
00:45:47,458 --> 00:45:51,858
also unanimous. G1BF was the Council member motion establishing a

771
00:45:51,898 --> 00:45:54,258
by name list for the City Victoria, which was amended

772
00:45:54,359 --> 00:45:57,538
multiple times, but is now here before. It's councillor Loton.

773
00:45:57,538 --> 00:45:59,778
I presume you'd like to move that. Someone like the

774
00:45:59,818 --> 00:46:04,381
second account for Thompson. Any further discussion. Seeing none, all

775
00:46:04,381 --> 00:46:09,801
those in favor. Anyone opposed. That is also unanimous. And

776
00:46:09,902 --> 00:46:13,401
finally item G1BG. This is the Council Member Motion with

777
00:46:13,502 --> 00:46:18,436
regarding to emergency response to the metatomidine crisis. Wealth Councillor

778
00:46:19,097 --> 00:46:22,116
move that again. Councillor Thompson is seconding. Any further discussion.

779
00:46:23,792 --> 00:46:28,759
Seeing none, all those in favor. Anybody opposed. And it's

780
00:46:28,759 --> 00:46:30,759
also unanimous. Thank you for all of that. So all

781
00:46:30,759 --> 00:46:33,229
of those were taken care of this morning. Moving on

782
00:46:33,570 --> 00:46:38,029
on to Bylaws. Item H1 is the bylaw for 517

783
00:46:38,210 --> 00:46:42,989
533 and 537 Chatham and 535 32 and 536. Harold,

784
00:46:42,989 --> 00:46:45,549
this is the rezoning application and development permit with variances

785
00:46:45,650 --> 00:46:48,429
applications. This was on the consent agenda for the Council

786
00:46:49,170 --> 00:46:52,909
because it is preliminary readings for second and third reading.

787
00:46:52,909 --> 00:46:55,229
And so that will return to us at our daytime

788
00:46:55,229 --> 00:46:58,909
Council meeting in September. And that takes us on to

789
00:46:58,930 --> 00:47:01,389
item H2, which was on the consent agenda, but was

790
00:47:01,429 --> 00:47:06,829
removed. And this is the Bylaw for 26126, 2620 and

791
00:47:07,090 --> 00:47:11,469
2628 Richmond Road, the housing agreement, uh, and that is

792
00:47:11,730 --> 00:47:14,749
the first, second, and third reading of that housing agreement,

793
00:47:14,749 --> 00:47:18,269
which would by convention be on our consent agenda because

794
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:21,789
it's preliminary readings, but perfectly appropriate to pull it off.

795
00:47:21,789 --> 00:47:23,789
So it's someone like to move those readings, please. Thanks

796
00:47:23,829 --> 00:47:26,829
Councillor Careguan. It's seconded by Cons for Dell. Caradona or

797
00:47:26,869 --> 00:47:30,429
Del any commentary. Yeah. Actually, I do have a, actually

798
00:47:30,429 --> 00:47:33,289
more of a question for staff, uh, when I was

799
00:47:33,289 --> 00:47:35,909
reading this one on the agenda, I thought, I don't

800
00:47:35,909 --> 00:47:39,229
remember approving this one. And, uh, and then it occurred

801
00:47:39,229 --> 00:47:40,829
to me. Oh yeah, this, this is now a delegated

802
00:47:40,869 --> 00:47:44,842
authority. So I wanted to ask first of all, is

803
00:47:44,842 --> 00:47:47,082
this just, I want to ask how this one went.

804
00:47:47,082 --> 00:47:49,722
If I'm not mistaken, was this the first delegated authority

805
00:47:49,823 --> 00:47:52,122
for a Sixtory building or, or maybe not the first

806
00:47:52,122 --> 00:47:55,082
one, but just how did the process go for staff

807
00:47:55,103 --> 00:47:58,068
as a delegated authority. Who would like to take that

808
00:47:58,169 --> 00:48:03,759
question. Uh, Mr. Handy, go ahead. Thank you. Good afternoon,

809
00:48:03,759 --> 00:48:06,479
Meryl, to a members of Council, Jim Handy acting assistant

810
00:48:06,500 --> 00:48:11,599
direct divine services. This is not the first six story

811
00:48:12,900 --> 00:48:17,899
residential project that has been approved under delegated powers. Um,

812
00:48:18,340 --> 00:48:22,639
it is, um, one of the first because those powers

813
00:48:22,660 --> 00:48:26,879
and the new zoning were adopted late last year. This

814
00:48:26,980 --> 00:48:29,279
particular project you're correct. It hasn't been in front of

815
00:48:29,380 --> 00:48:32,239
council because it is a development permit. That meets the

816
00:48:32,340 --> 00:48:35,119
criteria for delegation. And as per the land use procedures

817
00:48:35,159 --> 00:48:38,639
by law, we're the only matter for staff's consideration is

818
00:48:38,679 --> 00:48:43,919
consistency with the applicable design guidelines. And in this instance,

819
00:48:43,919 --> 00:48:47,279
um, the application is considered consistent with the design guidelines

820
00:48:47,380 --> 00:48:49,919
and if council do have any further questions. We do

821
00:48:49,919 --> 00:48:52,719
have senior plant majority Gordon here who has been handling

822
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:56,770
the application. Sure. My questions are all pretty high level

823
00:48:56,951 --> 00:48:58,850
because I read the report. I get I get a

824
00:48:58,890 --> 00:49:02,290
sense of what this building is. But we've obviously been

825
00:49:02,330 --> 00:49:05,330
working for some years to try to streamline development drive

826
00:49:05,330 --> 00:49:09,090
down costs, make it deliver housing quicker to people, reduce

827
00:49:09,130 --> 00:49:11,650
cost. What can't, I mean, I'm not going to ask

828
00:49:11,650 --> 00:49:14,210
you how much this reduced the overall cost because you

829
00:49:14,250 --> 00:49:17,330
probably don't know. But can, can you give us anything

830
00:49:17,511 --> 00:49:20,850
here about why this is beneficial? How many months did

831
00:49:20,890 --> 00:49:24,930
this remove approximately from the process? Like what, why is

832
00:49:24,930 --> 00:49:29,390
this good to have this, this delegated authority. I would

833
00:49:29,390 --> 00:49:32,936
like to take that. How about you, Mr. Justin? Or

834
00:49:32,957 --> 00:49:37,560
Mr. Handy. Through you, Mayor, I'll start and then maybe

835
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,360
my colleagues can add, but I think, um, the first

836
00:49:40,381 --> 00:49:46,180
thing is it does is it gives, um, certainty. Um,

837
00:49:46,381 --> 00:49:49,560
about the process when they embark. They know that if

838
00:49:49,581 --> 00:49:52,760
they submit an application that is consistent with our land

839
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,640
use procedures by a long consistent with our, um, design

840
00:49:55,901 --> 00:50:00,520
guidelines, then the path to an approval in just dealing

841
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:04,600
with stuff. Um, in terms of time savings, um, the

842
00:50:04,941 --> 00:50:07,080
time savings, I would estimate at least a couple of

843
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:11,240
months because that's the time that goes into preparing reports

844
00:50:11,741 --> 00:50:14,280
for, um, for Committee of the whole getting on agendas,

845
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,562
things like that. Okay. And so, and thank you for

846
00:50:16,562 --> 00:50:18,322
that. And so the hazard agreement still has to come

847
00:50:18,343 --> 00:50:21,762
to counsel though. Is there any theoretical world in which

848
00:50:22,023 --> 00:50:26,665
the housing agreement is also delegated. Or is that automatic,

849
00:50:26,665 --> 00:50:28,665
this is like the local government act require that that

850
00:50:28,665 --> 00:50:36,091
come to us. Mr. Johnston. Thank you, Sue the mayor.

851
00:50:36,091 --> 00:50:42,171
Um, Alec Johnston acting director of Planning and Development. The

852
00:50:42,192 --> 00:50:45,691
housing agreements are adopted by Bylaw. And so those do

853
00:50:45,691 --> 00:50:50,071
need to come to counsel for, uh, consideration. So, um,

854
00:50:51,312 --> 00:50:54,971
with the density bonus provisions relying on the adoption of

855
00:50:54,992 --> 00:50:58,011
a housing agreement, there will be a need for that

856
00:50:58,032 --> 00:51:00,491
aspect of a proposal to continue to come to counsel.

857
00:51:01,182 --> 00:51:03,401
Okay. Thanks those answers and thanks for your work on

858
00:51:03,441 --> 00:51:06,201
this file. Thank you very much. Concert Dell is the

859
00:51:06,201 --> 00:51:09,881
secondary any comments. Yeah. My understanding is this housing has

860
00:51:09,902 --> 00:51:12,581
a fair number of two and three bedroom units. Are

861
00:51:12,581 --> 00:51:14,841
you able to just confirm how many of those are

862
00:51:15,022 --> 00:51:20,361
or is that too detailed for today? Scrutin. Welcome. Uh,

863
00:51:20,462 --> 00:51:23,241
yes, thank you. Good afternoon, Mary Council, Jerty Gordon, Senior

864
00:51:23,262 --> 00:51:27,001
Plunder. Um, so the application does comply with the family

865
00:51:27,041 --> 00:51:30,201
housing requirements. I know the Zone Bella, which is 20

866
00:51:30,241 --> 00:51:32,281
and 10 percent of two and three bedroom units respectively.

867
00:51:33,445 --> 00:51:35,824
Okay. Thank you. On a three bedrooms, which I think

868
00:51:35,824 --> 00:51:38,584
is around 10 or something, which is quite substantial. Is

869
00:51:38,584 --> 00:51:40,864
that, is that above what we would normally see in

870
00:51:40,904 --> 00:51:43,744
the family housing policy? Or like, does the family housing

871
00:51:43,744 --> 00:51:46,624
policy contributing to getting that many three bedrooms in this

872
00:51:46,624 --> 00:51:51,383
unit. Mr. Gordon? Oh, just a bit surprised, honestly. Um,

873
00:51:51,724 --> 00:51:53,143
through you, yes, I think it's fair to say that

874
00:51:53,183 --> 00:51:56,263
the family housing policy has made that, uh, a reality

875
00:51:56,284 --> 00:51:58,103
for the three bedroom units. I don't know that the

876
00:51:58,124 --> 00:52:02,503
applicant of delivered that without that requirement. Great. Thank you

877
00:52:02,503 --> 00:52:05,303
very much. Any other comments or questions on the floor?

878
00:52:05,343 --> 00:52:11,684
Counsel Gardner. Thank you. Um, I understand that this development

879
00:52:12,745 --> 00:52:15,284
and the housing agreement, well, not quite the housing green

880
00:52:15,305 --> 00:52:17,124
has to come through by a law, but fall under

881
00:52:17,124 --> 00:52:21,844
the OCP 2050 blanket zoning. I get that. But as

882
00:52:21,884 --> 00:52:23,844
counselling is on for the North Jubilee neighbourhood, I was

883
00:52:23,884 --> 00:52:26,564
present at the comic meeting and have questions related to

884
00:52:26,604 --> 00:52:29,684
the issues rated to that meeting. So, uh, first of

885
00:52:29,684 --> 00:52:37,185
all, were there variances during your review. Scordan. Through the

886
00:52:37,225 --> 00:52:40,065
mayor. Yes, there are variances related to this application. You

887
00:52:40,105 --> 00:52:44,522
please subscribe them. Mr. Gordon, I'm going to ask you

888
00:52:44,562 --> 00:52:46,922
a question before you answer that. Am I correct in

889
00:52:46,962 --> 00:52:48,842
believing that all that is before us today is the

890
00:52:49,023 --> 00:52:52,042
housing agreement and that the other aspects of the F

891
00:52:52,082 --> 00:52:56,522
application were delegated and approved by a staff? Through you,

892
00:52:56,522 --> 00:52:58,442
yes, that is correct. That would mean that the questions

893
00:52:58,482 --> 00:53:01,322
that are appropriate and material today specifically would relate only

894
00:53:01,343 --> 00:53:05,397
to the housing agreement. Is that correct? Um, through you,

895
00:53:05,397 --> 00:53:08,757
yes, that's my understanding. So are there variances, as was

896
00:53:08,797 --> 00:53:11,157
asked in the question that would be applicable to the

897
00:53:11,258 --> 00:53:14,951
housing agreement. Through you, no, there are no variances related

898
00:53:14,991 --> 00:53:17,271
to thousand agreements. Thank you. Councillor, will you please confine

899
00:53:17,271 --> 00:53:20,071
your questions today? Thank you, Mayor. I was trying to,

900
00:53:20,071 --> 00:53:23,271
just so that public would understand the whole delegation process.

901
00:53:23,271 --> 00:53:26,107
Is parking in that agreement. Is that relevant to the

902
00:53:26,147 --> 00:53:31,174
housing agreement. Uh, through you, no, it is not. Thank

903
00:53:31,174 --> 00:53:34,454
you. And, uh, so there were no setbacks or shadowing

904
00:53:35,035 --> 00:53:40,614
considerations. Okay. So, um, during the Calic and otherwise, there

905
00:53:40,614 --> 00:53:44,054
were Community asked considering the approval of this development. What

906
00:53:44,475 --> 00:53:46,294
if staff do with any of those requests? Were they

907
00:53:46,334 --> 00:53:49,477
considered it all or what happens. During the delegated process?

908
00:53:49,818 --> 00:53:52,037
Specifically relevant to the housing agreement, but if you feel

909
00:53:52,077 --> 00:53:56,917
the ad, feel free you mayor, maybe just like to

910
00:53:56,957 --> 00:53:58,997
clarify that at the time of this application, it was

911
00:53:59,018 --> 00:54:02,357
a rezoning because it was submitted prior to the changes

912
00:54:02,397 --> 00:54:04,837
to the OCP. So that is why a calic meeting

913
00:54:04,837 --> 00:54:06,677
was, was held in this instance. But would not have

914
00:54:06,677 --> 00:54:08,517
been required. If it had been applied for after the

915
00:54:08,517 --> 00:54:15,410
adoption of the OCP and Sony Bella Amendments. Councillor. Yeah.

916
00:54:15,410 --> 00:54:19,490
So during that process, even though it was in transition,

917
00:54:19,831 --> 00:54:23,745
were any of the community concerns considered at all. Mr.

918
00:54:23,846 --> 00:54:27,425
Gordon through you, Mayor. At the time that the rezoning

919
00:54:27,425 --> 00:54:32,285
was being, uh, reviewed, uh, yes, those concerns were, uh,

920
00:54:32,486 --> 00:54:35,025
reviewed by staff as part of the normal calic review

921
00:54:35,065 --> 00:54:39,688
process. Did they change the proposal at all. Ms. Burden.

922
00:54:42,466 --> 00:54:46,685
Through my recollection, know the application was not significantly revised

923
00:54:46,946 --> 00:54:51,531
as a result of the, uh, CALIC comment specifically. I

924
00:54:51,571 --> 00:54:53,851
would note that there were significant revisions to the proposal

925
00:54:53,891 --> 00:54:56,011
through the process, but not as a result specifically of

926
00:54:56,051 --> 00:55:00,571
the Kellogg comments. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. And again,

927
00:55:00,571 --> 00:55:03,191
I understand as we start out saying is that, uh,

928
00:55:03,191 --> 00:55:08,540
we do not give any. Real opinion as the like

929
00:55:08,580 --> 00:55:10,540
or not like any of these proposals. We are only

930
00:55:10,561 --> 00:55:14,940
here just to rubber stamp the housing agreement. Is that

931
00:55:14,961 --> 00:55:16,540
not it? We are here to consider the terms of

932
00:55:16,540 --> 00:55:21,329
the housing. Yes. Thank you. That's it. Very good. Anyone

933
00:55:21,329 --> 00:55:27,489
else on the housing agreement. So you know, comments, sell

934
00:55:27,489 --> 00:55:33,583
those in favor. Anyone opposed. That is unanimous. Thank you

935
00:55:33,583 --> 00:55:36,178
very much for that. That takes us on to item

936
00:55:36,439 --> 00:55:40,398
H3, which would usually be on the consented gender, but

937
00:55:40,398 --> 00:55:42,898
it also includes an adoption, which my convention, we do

938
00:55:42,898 --> 00:55:45,138
not put on consent so that individuals have an opportunity

939
00:55:45,159 --> 00:55:48,978
for any final comments. So we have also first, second,

940
00:55:48,978 --> 00:55:53,198
and third reading of the zoning bylaw amendment bylaw. And

941
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:57,778
for also the adoption of the zoning bylaw amendment bylaw.

942
00:55:57,778 --> 00:55:59,698
And so I don't believe we need to separate these

943
00:56:00,359 --> 00:56:02,898
two. I believe is not necessary. Is that correct, Mr.

944
00:56:02,919 --> 00:56:05,298
Johnston? They can be done together. The preliminary readings at

945
00:56:05,298 --> 00:56:07,458
adoption, is that correct? Yes. So we'll take that with

946
00:56:07,559 --> 00:56:11,406
one motion with someone like to move those, please. That's

947
00:56:11,406 --> 00:56:14,366
the concert Thompson's moving, Councillor Cutler's Second Day. Councillor Thompson,

948
00:56:14,406 --> 00:56:18,541
any comments. You're doing any comments. I'll just say very

949
00:56:18,581 --> 00:56:21,581
briefly that I'm happy we're doing this and subsequent to

950
00:56:21,762 --> 00:56:24,461
a coming to Community the whole Iris CD emails from

951
00:56:25,602 --> 00:56:28,621
the heavy industry from heavy industry in this, in this

952
00:56:28,621 --> 00:56:30,941
community, as I'm sure others did too, who are really

953
00:56:30,941 --> 00:56:34,221
supportive and relieved. And, uh, I will note that a

954
00:56:34,221 --> 00:56:37,021
number of cities across this country have zoned heavy industry

955
00:56:37,282 --> 00:56:39,961
and light industrial out of existence in urban areas. And

956
00:56:39,961 --> 00:56:42,301
they've come to regret it. So I'm, I'm happy that

957
00:56:42,341 --> 00:56:44,301
we're going to continue to move forward as a city

958
00:56:44,301 --> 00:56:48,941
that not just supports residential, but is a place where,

959
00:56:48,941 --> 00:56:51,301
where we make things and where we employ people. So

960
00:56:51,301 --> 00:56:55,181
this will provide a lot of assurance and certainty to

961
00:56:55,202 --> 00:56:57,981
our industrial partners. It's actually really quite important that we're

962
00:56:57,981 --> 00:57:01,682
doing this. Thank you very much. Somebody else. Council Gardner.

963
00:57:02,585 --> 00:57:04,404
Thank you, Mirror. I'd like to make a couple of

964
00:57:04,825 --> 00:57:08,844
changes or corrections, particularly item six. I'm sorry, just a

965
00:57:08,844 --> 00:57:12,004
second here. We're talking about a particular bylaws at this

966
00:57:12,004 --> 00:57:14,244
point. You want to start amending the bylaws? Yeah. There's

967
00:57:14,265 --> 00:57:17,739
a mistake in that. All right. You'll have to pull

968
00:57:17,779 --> 00:57:21,099
the entire bylaw up onto the screen. Item six. Thank

969
00:57:21,099 --> 00:57:24,560
you. Hang on. Steph, can you pull up the text

970
00:57:24,581 --> 00:57:25,680
of the bylaw.

971
00:57:35,192 --> 00:57:36,851
So can you direct us please to the section that

972
00:57:36,891 --> 00:57:46,474
you are correcting. Thank you.

973
00:57:47,890 --> 00:57:53,158
Uh, obviously consultation one. Whoops. I have here amendment one

974
00:57:53,259 --> 00:57:56,838
item six changed. Where is these section? It's two smaller

975
00:57:56,859 --> 00:58:00,838
prints. Sorry. Where it says with consultation. What page am

976
00:58:00,878 --> 00:58:04,467
I in the right place. Mr. Johnston, can you assist

977
00:58:04,488 --> 00:58:07,314
here. I don't know why I've written down item six.

978
00:58:13,238 --> 00:58:15,697
I think a little bit of clarity on, on trying

979
00:58:15,697 --> 00:58:21,520
to amend would be helpful. So the recommendation. Okay. So

980
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,743
I'm looking at the recommendation. Just because the error. I'm

981
00:58:24,743 --> 00:58:28,023
sorry. The recommendation is simply that we approve the bylaws.

982
00:58:28,023 --> 00:58:30,931
Okay. In the documents, we just got on it. It

983
00:58:30,952 --> 00:58:34,531
doesn't have where they're supposed to be consultation. Remember. We're

984
00:58:34,531 --> 00:58:38,972
adding consultation. And they have the wrong words on as

985
00:58:38,993 --> 00:58:42,022
to who they're supposed to include. So I'm sorry, Mr.

986
00:58:42,043 --> 00:58:46,902
Johnston, can you recollect a previous recommendation that would have

987
00:58:46,942 --> 00:58:50,422
led us to the consideration of the bylaw amendments? Mr.

988
00:58:50,443 --> 00:58:53,542
Kingsley, yes. Yes. Uh, thank you Mayor. I'm just looking

989
00:58:53,542 --> 00:58:56,662
at the staff covering report now. And just from the

990
00:58:56,662 --> 00:58:59,702
sounds of the conversation, it might be that Councillor Gardner

991
00:58:59,742 --> 00:59:03,542
is referring to the background section when it refers to

992
00:59:03,563 --> 00:59:06,342
the Community, the whole, the original committee, the whole resolution

993
00:59:07,003 --> 00:59:11,712
that it refers to. There we are. Okay. Number six.

994
00:59:14,346 --> 00:59:20,179
Thank you. Yes. The intention was for the, uh, calorie

995
00:59:20,179 --> 00:59:23,539
type neighbour associations, which means the James Bay neighbourhood association.

996
00:59:27,005 --> 00:59:28,744
I've got to consult. Maybe wetter have the right group.

997
00:59:29,005 --> 00:59:33,064
I'm still not clear. Number six halfway through. Yes. Including

998
00:59:33,325 --> 00:59:36,424
the Victoria West Community Association James Bay and it should

999
00:59:36,424 --> 00:59:42,592
be neighbourhood association. And the rest of that sentence is,

1000
00:59:42,592 --> 00:59:44,512
I mean, the rest. That is a correction that I

1001
00:59:44,512 --> 00:59:48,352
want somewhere if so staff at least understands which group.

1002
00:59:50,025 --> 00:59:54,324
Was meant. Very good. Then you're proposing, I don't know.

1003
00:59:55,496 --> 00:59:59,075
Mr. Kingsley, I'm really struggling with this from a procedural

1004
00:59:59,096 --> 01:00:03,535
perspective because this has already been adopted by Council. And

1005
01:00:03,535 --> 01:00:09,075
so we're now actually revisiting a previously approved recommendation as

1006
01:00:09,075 --> 01:00:13,595
we are considering the bylaws pertaining to that recommendation, in

1007
01:00:13,595 --> 01:00:16,759
my opinion, that is highly out of order. And so

1008
01:00:16,799 --> 01:00:18,919
I'm going to look to you for your comment on

1009
01:00:18,959 --> 01:00:22,839
that. Because if this is the case, we actually need

1010
01:00:22,839 --> 01:00:26,039
to reconsider this matter, which has a proper procedure, which

1011
01:00:26,039 --> 01:00:31,479
cannot be done today. Uh, three mayor, that is correct.

1012
01:00:31,479 --> 01:00:34,519
The staff report, what's the text that's listed in front

1013
01:00:34,519 --> 01:00:36,639
of Council is in a background section. So it is

1014
01:00:36,639 --> 01:00:39,479
referring to a previous committee, the whole resolution that was

1015
01:00:39,479 --> 01:00:43,559
subsequently ratified by council. And this bylaws, the result of

1016
01:00:43,660 --> 01:00:47,479
the direction that's contained within. If there is indeed an

1017
01:00:47,479 --> 01:00:49,919
error or something that council wishes to revisit there, it

1018
01:00:49,980 --> 01:00:53,079
is procedurally possible, but I would recommend the best way

1019
01:00:53,119 --> 01:00:55,559
to do that would be for a submission of a

1020
01:00:55,559 --> 01:00:58,199
motion to amend something previously adopted, which could be done

1021
01:00:58,220 --> 01:01:02,839
by Council at any time. Now, it can't be done

1022
01:01:02,860 --> 01:01:10,391
now. In fact. Just a second, Councillor Thompson. Mr. Johnston,

1023
01:01:10,391 --> 01:01:12,151
what is the impact on this if it's delayed until

1024
01:01:12,172 --> 01:01:20,279
September 3rd. Thank you. I just wanted to clarify first

1025
01:01:21,100 --> 01:01:25,459
if it's helpful. That this particular, um, part of the

1026
01:01:25,459 --> 01:01:31,399
motion, uh, instructing staff, did you broad consultation is related

1027
01:01:31,439 --> 01:01:36,359
to the proposed OCP amendment to change the design guidelines.

1028
01:01:36,359 --> 01:01:38,839
It's not related to the zoning amendments that are before

1029
01:01:38,940 --> 01:01:44,199
council today. So, um, we still have an opportunity to,

1030
01:01:44,199 --> 01:01:47,319
and we also understand the intent here of who we're

1031
01:01:47,319 --> 01:01:49,959
supposed to be consulting with as part of that broad

1032
01:01:49,999 --> 01:01:52,679
engagement on the OCP amendment, which was always intended to

1033
01:01:52,679 --> 01:01:57,319
come after these zoning updates, um, so if that's helpful,

1034
01:01:57,319 --> 01:01:59,559
we can, uh, so let me be clear if I

1035
01:01:59,599 --> 01:02:03,559
understand you correctly. The consideration of the bylaws that are

1036
01:02:03,599 --> 01:02:06,999
actually on the agenda, which we're considering in this moment,

1037
01:02:06,999 --> 01:02:11,879
uh, do not necessarily prevent us from returning at a

1038
01:02:11,919 --> 01:02:17,445
future date to correct this particular report. Thank you. I'm

1039
01:02:17,445 --> 01:02:20,565
going to suggest Councillor Gardner that you cannot amend this

1040
01:02:20,666 --> 01:02:25,711
today. We can vote on the bylaws today. You can

1041
01:02:25,972 --> 01:02:29,711
return to the September 3rd meeting with a motion to

1042
01:02:30,292 --> 01:02:34,381
amend this report. The two are not an extricably linked.

1043
01:02:35,107 --> 01:02:38,366
And that procedurally is what must happen. Thank you. And

1044
01:02:38,547 --> 01:02:41,646
please just so the general public understands this report was

1045
01:02:41,907 --> 01:02:45,006
part of this week's agenda item. We did not see

1046
01:02:45,046 --> 01:02:50,209
it. When on the 23rd. Like I didn't have a

1047
01:02:50,249 --> 01:02:54,748
copy of this until Monday morning. Well, these reports are

1048
01:02:54,849 --> 01:02:58,808
provided the Friday before. And if I'm not mistaken, Mr.

1049
01:02:59,249 --> 01:03:03,148
Johnston, please provide the correct information about when business was

1050
01:03:03,148 --> 01:03:09,003
made publicly available. Yes, through the mayor, uh, this, um,

1051
01:03:09,664 --> 01:03:15,083
this motion was ratified, uh, on the 23rd. So the

1052
01:03:15,123 --> 01:03:17,883
wording here was presented to Council last week. So the

1053
01:03:17,923 --> 01:03:21,963
text of this material was actually considered and approved on

1054
01:03:22,064 --> 01:03:23,883
the 23rd of July. Thank you, Mayor. We didn't get

1055
01:03:24,304 --> 01:03:26,923
a copy of, see, that's the whole issue. But that's

1056
01:03:26,923 --> 01:03:30,043
okay. This material was presented to council last week and

1057
01:03:30,043 --> 01:03:34,501
was approved. This has been in the public prior, the

1058
01:03:34,501 --> 01:03:37,401
Friday prior to July 23rd. So it's been in the

1059
01:03:37,401 --> 01:03:41,638
public domain for almost two weeks. I get that it

1060
01:03:41,638 --> 01:03:43,158
was on the Friday. I picked mine up on Monday

1061
01:03:43,158 --> 01:03:45,158
morning. But even then. But it's at least two weeks

1062
01:03:45,158 --> 01:03:47,158
ago that this was provided. Yes, but if you have

1063
01:03:47,259 --> 01:03:49,558
it, we can still only make an amendment today when

1064
01:03:49,598 --> 01:03:52,701
it comes up. We couldn't make an amendment earlier to

1065
01:03:52,741 --> 01:03:54,781
correct it. Considered on July 23rd is when it should

1066
01:03:54,781 --> 01:03:57,981
have been amended on July 23rd. So leave it at

1067
01:03:58,021 --> 01:04:00,541
that as it is. The correct procedure now is to

1068
01:04:00,562 --> 01:04:05,181
consider the bylaws which are not tied precipitously to this.

1069
01:04:05,181 --> 01:04:07,341
And if you wish to correct, then aspect of this

1070
01:04:07,362 --> 01:04:09,421
report, you can bring a motion to do so for

1071
01:04:09,602 --> 01:04:15,070
the September 3rd meeting. That's the proper procedure. Now Councillor

1072
01:04:15,110 --> 01:04:19,620
Thompson, do you have something to add to that. Mayor,

1073
01:04:19,620 --> 01:04:22,340
I recall seeing that provision and thinking that there were

1074
01:04:22,340 --> 01:04:23,780
a couple of typos in it, but I didn't think

1075
01:04:23,820 --> 01:04:27,300
it was relevant because it's just direction to consult with

1076
01:04:27,321 --> 01:04:30,820
groups. It would be downtown residents association. And then there's

1077
01:04:30,860 --> 01:04:34,100
a typo in burnside gorge communities. So technically. It's really

1078
01:04:34,100 --> 01:04:37,300
not relevant. And it was considered back in June actually.

1079
01:04:37,481 --> 01:04:40,100
So Councillor Thompson, I appreciate your commentary, but I don't

1080
01:04:40,100 --> 01:04:42,500
want to get into debate about this document because this

1081
01:04:42,540 --> 01:04:45,168
is not before us today. Councillor Dale, do you have

1082
01:04:45,168 --> 01:04:48,448
anything to add to this? Okay. So back on the

1083
01:04:48,549 --> 01:04:52,652
bylaws. Here they are. Um, with someone like to move

1084
01:04:52,913 --> 01:04:55,876
and suck in these bylaws. Oh, yes, you did. I'm

1085
01:04:55,916 --> 01:04:58,596
sorry. Um, Ms. Roader, can you remind me who moved

1086
01:04:58,777 --> 01:05:05,101
and seconded the bylaws. No, who was it? You wish

1087
01:05:05,101 --> 01:05:08,221
to know the mover in Secondary. It was, uh, Councillor

1088
01:05:08,261 --> 01:05:11,101
Thompson, second councillor, Caradona. Thank you. And I believe I

1089
01:05:11,141 --> 01:05:13,181
already asked if you wish to commented. You both declined.

1090
01:05:14,187 --> 01:05:16,566
Which is why we went to Councillor Gardner. Councillor Gardner,

1091
01:05:16,566 --> 01:05:19,215
anything further. I'm not too sure what I can speak

1092
01:05:19,255 --> 01:05:22,495
on. Okay. The last speak to the bylaws. Yes. The

1093
01:05:22,495 --> 01:05:27,523
last item is with a map. Is about the, um,

1094
01:05:28,284 --> 01:05:30,983
James Bay with the Coast Guard and it does not

1095
01:05:30,983 --> 01:05:33,703
have autoinport in it because often point has been removed.

1096
01:05:35,212 --> 01:05:39,389
Does that make sense to anyone? Staff comments on the

1097
01:05:39,429 --> 01:05:45,670
mapping that's associated with bylaws. Yes. Please join us.

1098
01:05:53,802 --> 01:05:55,541
Go ahead. There we go. Sorry. I thought red means

1099
01:05:55,642 --> 01:06:00,021
stop. Good afternoon Mayor Counsel Mike Angrove acting manager planning

1100
01:06:00,282 --> 01:06:04,101
and regulatory services through the mayor. That's correct. Out in

1101
01:06:04,101 --> 01:06:06,181
point has been removed from the zoning. So it will

1102
01:06:06,282 --> 01:06:10,021
remain in the old zoning regulation bylaw as per Council's

1103
01:06:10,021 --> 01:06:17,270
direction until they finalise their planning process. Right. Thank you,

1104
01:06:17,270 --> 01:06:20,470
Maya. Make a comment on that. Absolutely. Okay. Your last

1105
01:06:20,470 --> 01:06:24,950
sentence is when they finish their analysis and I understand,

1106
01:06:24,950 --> 01:06:28,150
of course, we've gone through, uh, the MOU that was

1107
01:06:28,150 --> 01:06:31,110
way back, um, first time we went to a meeting

1108
01:06:31,131 --> 01:06:32,950
at all. It wasn't even a formal meeting, but it

1109
01:06:32,950 --> 01:06:35,430
was a City Hall was about the Oden Point Master

1110
01:06:35,451 --> 01:06:37,990
plan. And I believe it's been renewed three or four

1111
01:06:38,030 --> 01:06:41,190
times with the MOU. So when it's completed, do we

1112
01:06:41,190 --> 01:06:44,790
have a date as the MOU going to be rewritten?

1113
01:06:44,790 --> 01:06:46,710
What's happening with the MOU? Cause I think we're going

1114
01:06:46,710 --> 01:06:50,390
through four or five versions of it and an extensions

1115
01:06:50,731 --> 01:06:55,205
since 2000. And was it six. Mr. Bateman, do you

1116
01:06:55,205 --> 01:06:58,841
have any information on that. Uh, Through the mayor, I

1117
01:06:58,841 --> 01:07:00,801
think at this point the Ogden point is just at

1118
01:07:00,801 --> 01:07:04,481
a, at a standstill, and recognising that, uh, in point

1119
01:07:04,502 --> 01:07:07,921
in the greater Victoria Harbour authority are going through their

1120
01:07:08,022 --> 01:07:11,521
extensive planning process, uh, currently, I believe they'll have an

1121
01:07:11,521 --> 01:07:14,529
update. This fall, um, to the public on how that's

1122
01:07:14,569 --> 01:07:16,609
going, but they are in their early phases of the

1123
01:07:16,649 --> 01:07:19,450
process. Thank you. So is there any intention of recreating

1124
01:07:19,490 --> 01:07:22,726
the MOU so that we have a deadline. Mr. Bateman.

1125
01:07:24,222 --> 01:07:28,753
Uh, no, I don't believe so. Thank you. Anything further

1126
01:07:28,854 --> 01:07:34,173
on the bylaws. Okay. Not seeing anything further. All those

1127
01:07:34,194 --> 01:07:41,047
in favor. Anybody opposed. That is unanimous. That takes a

1128
01:07:41,047 --> 01:07:43,767
song to item H4. This is in fact the development

1129
01:07:43,868 --> 01:07:46,647
program with variances application and the rezoning application for 11

1130
01:07:46,668 --> 01:07:49,207
to 18th Street. This is for the adoption of the

1131
01:07:49,247 --> 01:07:52,727
Zoning Regulation Housing Agreement and approval of the development permit

1132
01:07:52,767 --> 01:07:55,687
with variances application. We'd like to move both of those,

1133
01:07:55,687 --> 01:08:00,111
please. Thanks, Councillor Caradona, seconded by Councillor Hammond. Councillor Done

1134
01:08:00,111 --> 01:08:05,840
any comments. Councillor Hammond, any comments? Any other comments. Let's

1135
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:10,260
sing another comment, sell those in favor. Anyone opposed. That

1136
01:08:10,260 --> 01:08:15,576
is unanimous. H5 is the adoption of the housing agreement

1137
01:08:15,677 --> 01:08:21,656
for 2501 to 2699 Blanchard Street, 825 and 841 Hillside,

1138
01:08:21,656 --> 01:08:26,056
2500 through 2684 dollar place and 900 Kings Road. Also,

1139
01:08:26,056 --> 01:08:28,616
I believe known as the evergreen properties. This is the

1140
01:08:28,637 --> 01:08:30,696
adoption of the housing agreement for all of those same

1141
01:08:30,957 --> 01:08:33,976
properties. So I like to move that please. Thanks, Councillor

1142
01:08:34,016 --> 01:08:39,496
Kim seconded by Councillor Coleman. Any comments from Kim McCollman?

1143
01:08:39,496 --> 01:08:43,618
Seeing none, any other comments. Seeing that always in favor,

1144
01:08:43,618 --> 01:08:48,803
anyone opposed. That is unanimous. Well, folks, that actually manages

1145
01:08:48,843 --> 01:08:53,203
to conclude remarkably the open aspects of our council meeting

1146
01:08:53,203 --> 01:08:57,003
today. We do have several items to consider enclosed. I

1147
01:08:57,003 --> 01:09:00,643
will note for the public that despite our fractious nature,

1148
01:09:00,643 --> 01:09:03,263
we are trying to continue to do good work. And

1149
01:09:03,263 --> 01:09:06,243
we will, in fact, be meeting again, uh, on September

1150
01:09:06,664 --> 01:09:09,302
the 3rd. At that time at 9 o'clock in the

1151
01:09:09,302 --> 01:09:12,442
morning, you will see us resume our meetings for the

1152
01:09:12,623 --> 01:09:16,442
last six weeks of this term. I'm sure those six

1153
01:09:16,482 --> 01:09:21,002
meetings will be entertaining, if not substantive. So with that,

1154
01:09:21,002 --> 01:09:23,682
I would wish you all a wonderful summer, at least

1155
01:09:23,682 --> 01:09:26,602
for the August portion thereof. And I would ask Mr.

1156
01:09:26,623 --> 01:09:29,402
Kingsley to remind us of the reasons why we are

1157
01:09:29,442 --> 01:09:34,674
either able or required to move into closed. Thank you,

1158
01:09:34,714 --> 01:09:37,954
Mayor. The reasons proposed today to close the meeting are

1159
01:09:37,954 --> 01:09:40,834
under Section 91C of the Community Charter regarding labour relations

1160
01:09:41,015 --> 01:09:45,314
or other employee relations. Section 91F regarding law enforcement matter.

1161
01:09:45,314 --> 01:09:50,194
Section 91K regarding negotiations and related discussions, respecting the proposed

1162
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provision of a municipal service at preliminary stages in Section

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92B regarding the consideration of information received and held in

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confidence related to negotiations between the municipality and another level

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of government. Fabulous. I have a motion for those reasons

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to go into close. Thank you, Councillor Coleman, Second by

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Councillor Kim. Any discussion. Seeing none. All those in favor.

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And it would oppose. Thank you everyone. Uh, we will

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see you after August and, uh, hopefully everyone will have

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an enjoyable time with family at some point during that

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month. We'll adjourn for 10 minutes to allow staff to

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move us into closed and also because we haven't taken

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a break in sometime. Let us resume at 320.