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>> Yeah, exactly. [laughter]

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>> You have to talk to each other now.

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less things on the calendar I thought,

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>> Will they get done in four or will they

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>> Is that Dan's AI?

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» Okay, I better shut my phone off.

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» Good evening. It's now 5:30 and I call

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to order the workshop of Victoria City

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Council. Our workshops are informal so

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that with that we're going to dive right

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into our agenda this evening. We have

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this evening and that item is to discuss

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the proposed 2027 fees and charges and

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our preliminary 2027 general fund budget

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and levy projections.

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is our assistant city manager and

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finance director Trisha Pollock. Ms.

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Pollock, welcome.

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>> Thank you. Good evening, Mayor and

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members of the council. Abby and I are

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>> Perfect. Welcome Abby as well.

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>> So, this is our third workshop and the

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final workshop before our max tax levy

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adoption in September.

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And our first topic is fees and charges

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for services.

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property taxes, which are 83% or 8.2

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million of our total revenues of 9.8

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of the total revenues, and then other

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police aid and grants. Um includes

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miscellaneous refunds and

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market comparisons, which are set at the

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such as international building code.

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and self-supporting where possible.

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building permits, which can be difficult

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available lots in the city and weigh in

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to come up with an estimated number of

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residential homes next year. However, we

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mechanical and plumbing permits. So,

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for expected commercial permits to come

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budget for facility rentals and

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recreation fees. While facility rentals

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continue to stay stable, we've been

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reducing the number of programs

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as expected. So,

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unless you have specific questions about

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budgeting and these revenues.

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>> All right. So, these next few slides

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fee schedule um that don't include

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increasing tree replacement from 100 to

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250 per caliper inch. That's the

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circumference at 6 in from the ground.

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we're changing the annual solicitor

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permits from 70 per solicitor to $100

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per company and then plus a $40 per

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a reduction from 700 to $500.

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peddler license in favor of having only

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an annual license. And the reasoning

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process the license is the same

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regardless if it's weekly or annually.

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request for a weekly permit in the last

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set by the Minnesota state statute. Uh

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staff is proposing to include the fee

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for transparency.

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new fee for a water shutoff and turn on

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that is outside the regular hours.

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rate. And so to recover the cost for the

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peddler licenses? What's What would be

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clerk is so handily right here next to

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the hawker, is like the ice cream.

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had a couple of them, but I can't recall

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>> Dear members of the council, I just want

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to add for transparency purposes when

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that happens, when we the way that our

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callbacks work for public public works,

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and Trish can talk to this, too, if I'm

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either misspeaking or

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not clear, but um we have a minimum time

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that we have to pay when we're doing

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callbacks and overtimes, so it's a

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um they center on a new discount rate,

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and so the discount rate would be for

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youth, that's 18 and under, seniors,

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which is 60 plus, military, and first

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responders residing in Victoria. And so,

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for a one-time daily pass, it would be a

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$5 fee, and for a multi-day 10-punch

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pass, it would be the proportionate $5

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fee.

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Um with the transition to cashless,

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staff would like to provide an option

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for discounted users for entry without

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committing to a membership.

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Additionally, staff would would be tran-

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transitioning open pickleball from a

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program to an entry fee option to allow

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consistent guidelines around the

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activity.

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Staff is proposing to remove the

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advertising kiosk in the VRC. The city's

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bond attorney has recommended against

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any advertising at the VRC until the

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bonds are fully paid for.

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And staff is also proposing changes to

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the multi-purpose room.

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The half room service is not regularly

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used due to the small size of the half

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room and in cases where a half room is

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rented, typically the other half remains

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open.

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Um additionally, this creates additional

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staff time to prepare the room for each

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renter.

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Any questions on this slide?

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Council?

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All righty. Self-explanatory.

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Go ahead.

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Okay, and the next one is for park and

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rec. So, for park and rec, staff is

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proposing to revise the shelter rental

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structure for simplicity and

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consistency.

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Staff is proposing to reduce the cost

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from prior year as staff received

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significant reduction in usage,

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potentially due to the cost barriers.

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We're also proposing to break out the

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shelters into two groups.

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The first are for the four post park

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shelters with limited services and

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amenities. That would be like Madis

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Madeleine Creek. And then the second

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group of shelters would be the ones with

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restrooms.

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So, both groups are proposing decreased

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fees.

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The second chunk here is in relation to

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Lions Pavilion. Staff is proposing to

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decrease the weekend rentals for

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residents from 350 to 300 a day and

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increase weekend rentals for

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non-residents from 350 to 400.

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And for there, we're we're actually just

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trying to make the premium of a weekend

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rental consistent across the board. So,

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the premium on a weekend rental would be

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$50.

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Um up next is the athletic fields. So,

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field rentals are currently not being

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charged consistently across the city.

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Staff is recommending removing this item

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as it does not cost staff additional

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time to reserve the fields. However,

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field prep is a is a rare service, but

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it does take significant time and cost.

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As the city would allow the use of the

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fields at no cost, we would charge them

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for the additional labor, such as field

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prep and lining a space.

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And lastly, we're proposing to remove

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the ice arena packages as the city does

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not have the ability to determine and

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schedule ice time to the requirements

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needed for this type of service.

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All right.

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Council questions

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on this?

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Okay. All right.

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Um we did do a special deep dive this

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year.

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Um we did a market analysis of our

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Parkland dedication fees. We compared

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both our industrial and residential

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Parkland dedication fees to the market

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cities in the area.

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A brief overview of Parkland dedication

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fees for anyone watching at home is that

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the city of Victoria and other

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communities, as you see here, require a

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certain percentage of each new

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development to be dedicated to park

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space.

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A developer can choose to pay a Parkland

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dedication fee in lieu of the land for

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the park.

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For the analysis, I reviewed the fee

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schedules of our market cities

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uh and compared where Victoria falls

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within our neighboring communities. On

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this slide are the Parkland dedication

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fees for residential developments.

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Uh here we Here we have the green bar

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for single family,

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pink for duplexes, and blue for a

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multi-family.

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Um for the For the single family, the

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green bar, I found that we are close to

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average. We're very comparable to

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Chaska, Carver, and Minnetonka.

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For duplex and multi-family, I found

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that we're a little bit below average

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here.

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And I included a table there at the

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bottom with the average and the median.

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» Council que-

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questions on this. Now, this is

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something we've been talking about.

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Council member Wright, you've got a

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question.

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>> Well, I was just it's more of a comment.

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I didn't think we were that low on the

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duplex and multi-family side.

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To our peers.

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>> Yeah.

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I would I would also favor boosting

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those up.

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It feels like most other market cities

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all have the same

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rate for Parkland dedication regardless

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of what the housing unit is. I I would

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favor us going consistent that way as

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well.

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>> W- Where Do Do we survey Waconia?

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>> I don't see them on here.

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>> I don't believe Waconia is in here. Um

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>> I think

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were they were they one of the ones that

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had kind of the anomaly of the way that

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they

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>> Yes.

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>> Yeah.

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>> You're right. So, Waconia did not have

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like a flat fee in their fee schedule.

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It was very formula-based.

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It was like 5% of

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something something. And so, it wasn't

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easy to have a consistent

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um comparison with Waconia in there, but

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I definitely could pull Waconia for you

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if you would like.

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>> Yeah, and then how do we Do we Do we

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have

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Minnetrista? Do we have Mound?

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We have

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>> I could add Mound, yes.

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And I could also add Minnetrista if you

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if you'd like.

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Yes, absolutely.

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>> So, like Minnetonka is

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five across [snorts] the board and

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Carver's about

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4,800 across the board, it looks like.

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>> Correct, yep.

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>> Chanhassen about the same.

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>> Those are the three that I

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>> Chanhassen

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is higher.

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» I mean my my thought is we need to be

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more in the zone of Eden Prairie,

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Rogers, Corcoran, Chanhassen,

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Shakopee. I mean the It's It's one thing

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to look at the averages of these

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communities. It's all It's a completely

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different

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um

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view to look at the utilization. I mean

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we we have so much more of activity

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going on here and we have so much more

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of um

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parks that we need to pay for.

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>> I think Minnetonka is a good one to look

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at, too.

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In some respects, but they're more built

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out, but it's

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>> Right.

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>> Yeah, I mean the we we seemed and it seems that the project

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after project after project after project is not committing

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land, they're dedicating

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>> Mhm.

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>> fees. If If that's the direction that

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developers want to go, then I think it's

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incumbent for the city of Victoria to be

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able to use that to provide its

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residents with the benefits that they

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keep telling us that they want, that

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they need, we know that are outrageously

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expensive, and that we routinely make compromises to what we

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need to do

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um because we just don't have the

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funding to do it. So, if we have a

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captive audience that is is looking to

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um

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utilize fees in terms of dedication,

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they don't want to dedicate the land

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because they're making a decision that

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it's more profitable for them to chunk

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another property on there, let's start

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to shift that balance of the equation

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towards maximizing the benefit for

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Victoria. We should be able to find the

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inflection point of where somebody says,

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"I think that that's a a high and I

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maybe don't want to develop there." I

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don't think we're at that problem. And

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we certainly are one of the communities

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in the Twin Cities that have the space

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to do it. So, um

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and and then on top of it, we

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continually get pushed and this is to my

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good friend Council Member Patterson,

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you you as well as I know the constant

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pushing on this council and planning

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commission and staff to continue to

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shrink down these side yard setbacks so

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that a particular parcel of land can put

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that many more profitable homes on it.

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The that that should come at a cost to

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the developer that hey, Victoria's not

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the place to run over on this kind of

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thing.

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We want these services. This is our

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time. Uh you know, we should be really

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um

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almost adamant on being able to push

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these high these fees higher to pay for

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the things that we know we desperately

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need and our residents desperately want.

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>> There is

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a statutory limit on this, is there not?

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Yeah, Ms. Hardy, please.

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>> Mayor and members of the council, we

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don't have the benefit of our attorney

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being here, but if I recall from the

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conversation that we last had about this

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earlier in the year,

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and you might notice on the chart here,

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we did include Burnsville. So, there's

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not necessarily a statutory limit. My

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understanding was that there was a court

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case

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with Burnsville that essentially set

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this

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I'll use in quotes a ceiling for what is

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acceptable.

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And so, we wanted to put the Burnsville

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information there just for visibility

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into what that ceiling would look like.

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Um

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>> Is there a formula to that ceiling?

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>> That I don't know enough about the court

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case or I have not read through all of

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that and maybe Bob could talk more to

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that, but

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>> I think it'd be instructive.

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Madam City Manager for

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Bob to bring that to us because

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my recollection of the conversation with

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him about is that this was a disparity

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between how commercial

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developments were being assessed

559
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,560
Parkland dedication fees versus a

560
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,560
multi-family or a duplex because the I

561
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:29,760
think the

562
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,720
underlying crux of the argument is that

563
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:33,960
well, I mean people are going to be

564
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,280
here. They're not going to be using

565
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,040
parks and trails and things like that

566
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:39,400
cuz they're going to be working. They

567
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:40,880
leave and they go home. So, it's not

568
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,160
necessarily fair to a commercial

569
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:44,920
property to be

570
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,800
assessed an outrageously large Parkland

571
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,720
dedication fee.

572
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,040
Where we're going with this is we are

573
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,320
tying the the use of those funds with

574
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,360
the source of the funds better in a

575
00:21:57,360 --> 00:21:59,200
residential setting versus a commercial

576
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,160
setting. So, if we could get if we could

577
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,080
get that clarity so that we're you know,

578
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,040
making value-based decisions on the

579
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,640
right basis would be helpful.

580
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,640
>> I guess I would just say I mean, I

581
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:11,760
completely agree with everything

582
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,000
Councilmember Urbanski has said.

583
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,520
Um

584
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,040
I wonder where and this is obviously

585
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:19,440
what staff is probably going to have to

586
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:24,120
look into is that like where's that

587
00:22:24,120 --> 00:22:26,040
right line, right? Because we don't want

588
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,320
to get to a point where it's so high,

589
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,800
you know, that yes, they're just giving

590
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,040
you know, the minimum amount of land

591
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:34,280
that's just going to be like they're not

592
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:35,640
going to really do anything with it, but

593
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,120
now it's you know, our like we're going

594
00:22:38,120 --> 00:22:39,080
to have to take care of it. We're going

595
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,720
to have to right? So, we don't want just

596
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,400
there's got to be some

597
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:46,680
I don't want to say negative, but like

598
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,800
there's like a give like a push and pull

599
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,720
here with this. So, I I completely agree

600
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,440
with you that we want to get uh

601
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,840
as much as we can, right? And we want

602
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,760
I'd rather have them, you know, build

603
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,600
nice big beautiful

604
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:01,960
park, but

605
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,280
um you know, what like you said, right?

606
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:05,800
Like right now we're just it's, you

607
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,240
know, we're not going to do it because

608
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:08,400
the fee is low enough where they're

609
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:09,960
just, you know, we'd rather put another

610
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,720
house on a lot and do it, but um, I

611
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,680
guess I'm just curious if

612
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,360
whether it's uh, you guys or Ms. Hardy,

613
00:23:18,360 --> 00:23:21,240
like if there's any

614
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:22,560
if we've looked at this enough to know

615
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,760
if like what would be the downside of I

616
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,520
guess raising this to a point where

617
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,760
you know, it

618
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,600
like what would be the downside?

619
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,400
>> Mayor Council Member Roberts, members of

620
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:36,680
the council, no, we've not done a deep

621
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,400
dive analysis on that, but just from the

622
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:40,960
things that you're saying are are

623
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,840
exactly the things that we would likely

624
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,040
be flagging. So, if the council would

625
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:46,920
like us to do a deeper dive in this and

626
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,520
do some additional analysis, we can

627
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,040
certainly do that and bring this back

628
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,280
for um, your budget discussion this

629
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:52,800
fall.

630
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,200
>> Yeah, I think

631
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:55,840
>> And I think it's similar to like look at

632
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,560
a couple spotlight cities. I think you

633
00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,600
brought up some Council Member Wanski to

634
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:00,840
add

635
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,080
I think the other thing is

636
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,280
Delano, Buffalo.

637
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:06,480
Some of these areas that are a little

638
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,200
farther away, but they're growth

639
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,160
communities.

640
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:09,520
>> Right.

641
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,560
>> And and look at it from that

642
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,960
perspective. I mean, I'm I'm looking at

643
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,640
multi-family. I think we're not we're

644
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,320
the lowest.

645
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,640
Yep, maybe Chaska's just one slot below.

646
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,880
And then duplex we're pretty far we're

647
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,680
as you said, we're pretty

648
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,880
um, close to average or above average on

649
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,200
the single family. I'm just wondering I

650
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,160
just was surprised at the discrepancy.

651
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:32,600
>> Yeah.

652
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:33,560
>> Sorry.

653
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,440
I was just curious and you probably

654
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,440
don't look into it um, you know, most of

655
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:39,560
these

656
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,120
the single family is either the highest

657
00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:43,440
or

658
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,240
you know, even with the other ones. I'm

659
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:46,400
curious

660
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,480
why Burnsville and Elk River are

661
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,520
basically the exact opposite of the like

662
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,120
what I mean, I know like Burnsville's a

663
00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:55,200
much bigger city, right? So,

664
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,280
um, but I'm just curious as to why that

665
00:24:58,280 --> 00:24:59,160
would

666
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:00,480
be.

667
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,480
>> You know, I think things also like we

668
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,400
perspective again is like utilization.

669
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,440
Um, I I think that

670
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,720
we're probably

671
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,960
at least in sort of our current vision

672
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:13,800
and alignment on the balance of

673
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,240
multi-family and duplexes vis-a-vis

674
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,680
residential in the city of Victoria.

675
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,880
We've heard from our residents on, you

676
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,080
know, their um desires on the the mix

677
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,520
that we have. I think we re- I have a

678
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:28,360
There's

679
00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:30,880
little daylight between us on we feel

680
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,280
like we have the right balance. So,

681
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,680
while the the bars tell a story that

682
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,360
we're below,

683
00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:41,840
will we actually have that utilized?

684
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,920
Possibly not, right? So, we don't

685
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,600
necessarily need to get that as right as

686
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,320
where the next development is going to

687
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,320
come from and that next development is

688
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,160
leaning its way towards single-family.

689
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,680
And we should like Councilmember Roberts

690
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,840
is alluding to, what's what's the choke

691
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,960
point? Where does a developer say, "Hey,

692
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,320
I want to give you land because you

693
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,800
charged me too much to buy it from you."

694
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:07,600
Um,

695
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,760
it would be I think instructive for us

696
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:14,080
to look at the last 2 years of developments that

697
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,040
have taken place in the city of Victoria

698
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,680
and say, "What percentage of those

699
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,240
projects have these developers come to

700
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,120
the city and said, 'I want to buy land

701
00:26:24,120 --> 00:26:25,640
instead of giving you

702
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,360
Um, so and you guys have heard me with

703
00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:30,400
my smart-ass clique, "We all I want to

704
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,080
be known as the city of lakes and parks,

705
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,000
not the city of lakes and parkland

706
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,000
dedication fees." So, um

707
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,480
I think that we we can't we can't build

708
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,040
parcels of land. We can

709
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,880
really shape what we do with the parcel

710
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,280
of lands

711
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:49,920
to the best of our abilities and part of

712
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,920
that ability has to deal with how much

713
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,280
we have in terms of financial resources

714
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,320
to do it. If we don't ask for the

715
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,600
resources, we won't get them and we'll

716
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,720
just be saying, I I would have loved to

717
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,520
do this, but I can't. I mean, I

718
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,560
>> Any other comments for staff?

719
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,000
>> I would just say what what's the

720
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,040
negative of of doubling the duplex and

721
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,600
the multi-family park dedication fees? I

722
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:15,800
mean, it to me that looks like that's

723
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:16,960
going to get us

724
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,760
in line with a lot of the other cities

725
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,240
that we're comparing ourselves to here.

726
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,160
Um

727
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:24,880
I guess I can't figure out what the

728
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,280
downside would be other than they choose

729
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:28,800
not to develop here, but they're not

730
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,400
getting any better deal anywhere else

731
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,720
for it. So, why not be even with

732
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:33,600
everybody else?

733
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,440
>> I I'm I'm aligned with you. There

734
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,920
There's we can certainly

735
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,800
you know, bring us in line with other

736
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,520
communities there. Again, I think that

737
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,880
utilization as we've all pointed to may

738
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,480
not be there, but yeah, the the

739
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,480
consistency would I think it'd be a very

740
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:50,920
noble cause in this.

741
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,400
>> All right, staff, I'm seeing consensus

742
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,240
around let's take a look at a couple

743
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,960
more market rate or market

744
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,120
cities.

745
00:28:00,120 --> 00:28:00,800
Um

746
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,600
give us some ideas about where we can

747
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,880
where that inflection point is and then

748
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,600
we also want to hear from Bob about

749
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,240
what

750
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:11,680
We don't want to see ourselves in court

751
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,080
over this either. So,

752
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,240
um

753
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,680
everybody staff clear on that? Great.

754
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,640
Okay. Any final thoughts?

755
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,600
We're moving on. Excellent. Thank you.

756
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,680
>> Okay, so while this slide is for

757
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,040
residential fees,

758
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,320
slide is the same Parkland dedication

759
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,160
fees. It's a market comparison, but it's

760
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,760
for industrial and commercial fees.

761
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,600
Um

762
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,520
Victoria, as you can see here, is the

763
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,240
second lowest,

764
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:43,960
higher only

765
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,400
higher more only than Carver. So, I've

766
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,880
included Burnsville here, also way at

767
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,320
the end. Um Burnsville is not considered

768
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,680
one of our market cities.

769
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,400
Um and so, it's not included in the

770
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:56,800
average in the table below there,

771
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,520
either.

772
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,120
But, I just wanted to include it because

773
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,000
of the discussion around it.

774
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,800
Um looking at the table, Victoria is

775
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,040
well below the average and mean for

776
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,760
Parkland dedication fees for our market

777
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,040
cities

778
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,520
on the industrial and commercial uses,

779
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,720
too.

780
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,600
>> Okay, so this was the These were the

781
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,040
fees that we just said we we can collect

782
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:19,600
Parkland dedication fees from these

783
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,800
folks, but these are people who are here

784
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,680
for work and not

785
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:30,440
I mean, we certainly could we use these for to create a plaza

786
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,480
where people can have lunch, those kinds

787
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,840
of things? Is that considered Parkland?

788
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,560
>> I think so. I

789
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:38,720
>> You know, if we had a market

790
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:39,200
>> or

791
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,440
>> Yeah, if we had a, you know, an office

792
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:42,840
park

793
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,040
to create a plaza or an area where

794
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,440
people could you know, with benches or

795
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,480
picnic tables, those kinds of things.

796
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:51,880
>> Mayor and Council, I do think if you're

797
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,160
calling it a park and actually naming it

798
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,760
and you accept it as a park, you could

799
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,840
certainly use Parkland dedication for

800
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,640
that. The only restriction on Parkland

801
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,160
dedication fees is that you can't use it

802
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,720
for ongoing maintenance or to do

803
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:11,790
replacement of existing amenities.

804
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,200
» Obviously, I think it's like a good spot

805
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,000
where we can get ahead of this by

806
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,240
bringing us up the average to the place

807
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,480
that I think we're going to see

808
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,760
this kind of activity. Downtown West is

809
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,400
largely done, so

810
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,360
um certainly, we're probably not going

811
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:26,560
to

812
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,400
be able to

813
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,440
garner much in that space.

814
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,160
Um but, the South growth area is a place

815
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:35,640
where

816
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:36,600
these

817
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,720
where we where we one would expect we're

818
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,320
going to see this

819
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:41,640
kind of um

820
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,960
commercial development and

821
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:48,520
we we would be well served with

822
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,400
having those areas develop and

823
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,280
um

824
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,000
get in line with other communities on

825
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,240
this uh

826
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,240
again cuz

827
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,280
we we we know that this stuff is

828
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,520
expensive. We know that it's needed and

829
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,040
this is our place to get it if we're not

830
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,040
going to get land.

831
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:08,760
>> The only thing I would say, I mean we

832
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,520
definitely have obviously room to grow

833
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,200
here based off of

834
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:13,680
these numbers.

835
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:14,320
Um

836
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,400
I do think we need to be careful in this

837
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,720
area of getting too high. I I think we

838
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,320
want to

839
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,320
you know, residential I think is a

840
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,000
different beast. We have plenty of

841
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,520
people that want to build houses here.

842
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,120
We keep searching for the right

843
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,040
commercial developments and I'm I do

844
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,480
think we want to be careful and be more

845
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,840
cognizant of trying to entice commercial

846
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,680
development here. So um you know, that

847
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,440
could be a factor in yes yes we're still

848
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,400
lower than most these, but our land

849
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,520
prices are also probably higher than a

850
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,520
lot of these places as well. So we know

851
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,520
our land prices tend to be high in

852
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,080
Victoria. So

853
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:50,680
um

854
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:51,800
you know,

855
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,360
we've wanted to get more commercial

856
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,240
development to help take the burden off

857
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,880
our taxpayers. So um I would just say

858
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,640
although we want

859
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,800
I think we have room to maybe raise this

860
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,200
a little bit. I also want to be careful

861
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,040
and not uh dissuade commercial

862
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,760
development or industrial development

863
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,560
from coming because of these additional

864
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:10,560
fees here.

865
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,310
>> It's a good point.

866
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,190
» Any other comments on this?

867
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:19,160
Okay.

868
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,320
I think we see some room for growth

869
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,320
here.

870
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:24,320
>> Excellent. Thank you.

871
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,840
>> I'm going to pass it back to Trish.

872
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,600
>> Okay.

873
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,400
so next up um this slide is

874
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,640
looking at our utility franchise fee

875
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,240
fund. Um it's a 10-year projection.

876
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,400
We currently are building about 100,000

877
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,160
annually in fund balance. The original

878
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,880
undergrounding debt will be paid off in

879
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,120
year 2031.

880
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,440
And then the Wasserman Park bonds will

881
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,160
be paid off in 2036.

882
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:56,960
So, staff are not recommending an

883
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,160
increase in utility franchise fees at

884
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:00,600
this time.

885
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,440
Um, and just for added information, the

886
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,200
franchise fee agreement does sunset

887
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,880
after 20 years. So, it would be at year

888
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,600
end 2036 when it would need to be

889
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,150
renegotiated.

890
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,120
» And so, currently those are the only two

891
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,200
obligations we have to

892
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:20,280
the franchise fees.

893
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,390
>> That's correct, Mayor.

894
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:38,910
» Council, thoughts, comments, questions?

895
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,990
» Okay.

896
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,560
» I'm a little uncomfortable collecting

897
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:45,920
fees if we don't have a purpose for

898
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,480
them.

899
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,880
Um,

900
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,360
I'm feeling like this is something we

901
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:57,040
might want to revisit once we've been able to service our debt

902
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,560
that we owe.

903
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,320
Um, unless we have another purpose for

904
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,000
using these franchise fees, we could

905
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:09,520
um, pause them. We could set them early.

906
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,080
Um,

907
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,990
Council, any thoughts on that?

908
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,280
» The fee's for burying cables, right? And

909
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,360
then we used it for Wasserman Park or

910
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,280
Wasserman Preserve,

911
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,440
which

912
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:24,840
could be considered outside of the

913
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,879
original purpose of those fees.

914
00:34:27,879 --> 00:34:31,389
Um,

915
00:34:31,399 --> 00:34:33,399
I'm with you. I think it should be

916
00:34:33,399 --> 00:34:35,960
sunset once we paid off our debt for

917
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,149
these two things.

918
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:40,679
I know that's not what staff wants to

919
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:41,613
hear, but

920
00:34:41,613 --> 00:34:42,080
>> [laughter]

921
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,919
>> I mean, just to be just to be clear

922
00:34:43,919 --> 00:34:48,159
though, the the 20 years will align with

923
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:51,679
the bonds ending for Washington Park, so

924
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:52,560
that

925
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,440
but once that when that sunsets, we're

926
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,600
going to have a fund balance of $2.6

927
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,120
million.

928
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,880
Um, that's correct, Mayor. That's the

929
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,440
projection. I mean, we are projecting

930
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,720
what revenues will be, so I can't say

931
00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:07,200
that that's going to be exactly what the

932
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,600
fund balance will be, but approximately

933
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,240
according to projections and continued

934
00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:13,520
growth in the city.

935
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:14,120
>> Right.

936
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,400
>> Um, that's what we would anticipate.

937
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:18,480
Um,

938
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,480
I did have a conversation with Cara

939
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,440
asking about additional undergrounding

940
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,480
projects and

941
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,960
at this time, unless we want to bury

942
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,880
lines that are already above ground,

943
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,840
um, we wouldn't have any

944
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,000
additional projects that

945
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,800
is on their radar,

946
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,320
um, from an engineering standpoint, so.

947
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,440
>> Let me ask this question. So, we are

948
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:45,720
currently

949
00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:47,640
collecting a franchise fee and that's a

950
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,400
fee that we have set.

951
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,680
So, we have the ability to either raise

952
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,440
or lower that fee and that fee is

953
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,960
um, spent based on council direction or

954
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,680
council policy.

955
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,600
I'm seeing a nod from our city manager

956
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,560
that that is true. So, we could, um,

957
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,080
we could reduce that fee, so we're not

958
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,360
with a, you know, we don't have that

959
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,480
fund balance that high that has no

960
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,320
assignment to it.

961
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,000
Um,

962
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,600
we could sun-

963
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,360
we could carry on with it and then

964
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,880
sunset it, let it automatically sunset

965
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,480
in 2036. One of the things I think

966
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,000
that's in is

967
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,960
interesting about franchise fees is

968
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,520
every member

969
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,920
every community member pays them.

970
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,720
So, if we have projects that we feel

971
00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:39,600
like everybody should have a part in,

972
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,480
this is a good way to pay for some of

973
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,160
those kinds of things.

974
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,360
So, every, you know, nonprofit that

975
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,200
isn't paying property taxes does pay

976
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:49,840
franchise fees.

977
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:50,880
Um

978
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,040
so, that's that's something to consider,

979
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,480
but

980
00:36:55,480 --> 00:37:02,870
this is a policy conversation for sure.

981
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,680
So, I would encourage

982
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,240
I don't know that we want to make any

983
00:37:07,240 --> 00:37:08,880
changes at this point, but I'd encourage

984
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,360
Council to give this some thought.

985
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,840
>> Yeah, Mayor, I mean, I I share with you

986
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,240
on your thoughts on that. The

987
00:37:17,240 --> 00:37:19,750
um

988
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,000
there is certainly a great benefit to

989
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,680
have something where,

990
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,040
you know,

991
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,440
effectively, what you've said is it's a

992
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,920
head tax. Every head that walks around.

993
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,920
They breathe the same amount of oxygen

994
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,880
regardless of whether or not their house

995
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,720
is worth 500,000 or whether it's worth 5

996
00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:39,400
million. So, that there is a certain

997
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,680
fairness to it. Um

998
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,280
we don't really start to accelerate on

999
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,760
this till we get to 2032. And so, that's

1000
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,480
5 years forward in the future. Future.

1001
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,240
We do like run up against a little bit

1002
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:56,000
of like we don't have a crystal ball

1003
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:56,440
here.

1004
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:56,960
>> Mhm.

1005
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,120
>> Um

1006
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,520
we we don't know what potentially could

1007
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:01,560
be

1008
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,880
around the corner. Certainly, uh if we

1009
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,360
pay attention to the headlines, those of

1010
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,560
late are things like

1011
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,320
where is this enormous amount of

1012
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,760
electricity going to come from to power

1013
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,840
the latest and greatest AI boom that's

1014
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,200
just right around the corner that's

1015
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,640
going to make us all very productive and

1016
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,040
we'll be able to sit and do nothing and

1017
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,160
just earn

1018
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,960
passive income. Um Um

1019
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,720
somehow or another those those projects

1020
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:28,520
are going to make their way into an

1021
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,680
infrastructure need that we might have

1022
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,040
to face that we we can't foresee today.

1023
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,480
So, I agree that um a policy perspective

1024
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,520
is good. Uh

1025
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,040
it's a tool in our toolkit that we just

1026
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:42,960
uh

1027
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,800
need to be judicious about, but we've

1028
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,480
certainly have uh made

1029
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,600
a good amount of benefit to the citizens

1030
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:50,720
of Victoria

1031
00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:54,160
over the years by having interfund

1032
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,440
loans as well that have, you know,

1033
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,320
really made the burden of

1034
00:38:58,320 --> 00:38:59,280
uh

1035
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,000
other large projects that more uh

1036
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,840
that that that, you know, bringing

1037
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,200
benefit. So, let's I mean, I

1038
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:08,920
Again, you make a great point, but we

1039
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,000
don't want to

1040
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,640
necessarily artificially hamstring

1041
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,320
ourselves or

1042
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:15,720
uh

1043
00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:20,350
take away from some of our tools.

1044
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,000
» Okay. Other comments? Thoughts?

1045
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,480
>> I think Ms. Hardy has one.

1046
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,520
>> Thank you, Mayor, and

1047
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,280
members of the council. I just want to

1048
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,000
say from a staff perspective, we 100%

1049
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,760
understand and know that this is a

1050
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,520
policy decision. So, whatever the

1051
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,000
council decides that we are 100%

1052
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,960
comfortable with that. So, when you're

1053
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,280
ready to have that policy conversation,

1054
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,240
we'd be happy to do whatever research

1055
00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:45,200
that you would like and bring that

1056
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,000
information back for you to consider. Um

1057
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,160
I think all the things that you have

1058
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:50,720
said here are all very good things to

1059
00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:53,480
consider. I will note that um the

1060
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,480
franchise fees are allowed for any

1061
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,760
public purpose. So, as you look for

1062
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,400
alternative funding sources, you heard

1063
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,440
earlier 83% of our property taxes or our

1064
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,960
revenues are property taxes. So, um if

1065
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,200
you're looking at um having um this is

1066
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,200
essentially a tax, a tax that is

1067
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,280
collected not only by property owners,

1068
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,000
but everybody even those who don't pay

1069
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,800
property taxes would be subject to

1070
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,600
paying these fees.

1071
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,640
Um cities, for example, will use these

1072
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,800
types of utility franchise fees for

1073
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,720
things like sidewalks and trail

1074
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:29,520
maintenance replacements, trail gap uh

1075
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,400
construction,

1076
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,600
um some of the road so mill and overlay

1077
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,000
projects, things like that.

1078
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,760
Um it could be for the recreation

1079
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,080
centers we're looking at to have

1080
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:40,600
property tax support for those. So,

1081
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,320
there there could be some policy

1082
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,480
decisions where you're looking for

1083
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,520
uh property tax relief um where this

1084
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,480
could come into a policy decision, but

1085
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:52,320
um

1086
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,080
noted that that's in the future. So, as

1087
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,600
you're thinking about those things, I

1088
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,080
just wanted um

1089
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:59,520
wanted you to have some additional

1090
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,400
context to think about.

1091
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,640
>> And those are good alternate uses, what

1092
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,000
you're discussing. Um what would be a

1093
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,520
good next step? Would it Is it a Is it a

1094
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,400
workshop type item, do you think?

1095
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,400
Would that be a benefit?

1096
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,360
I I think it would be a benefit to me

1097
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:18,080
personally.

1098
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:19,320
>> Yeah.

1099
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:20,800
>> Mayor members of the council, I think

1100
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,280
this would be a really good all-day

1101
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,240
workshop discussion cuz then you could

1102
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:26,160
align it with your strategic priorities

1103
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:27,880
and really take that deep dive.

1104
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:35,640
>> I I I tend to agree with you. I mean, I hesitate to just stockpile money

1105
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,160
because we can

1106
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,040
without a purpose to it. And I feel like

1107
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,200
we with the changes coming up with the

1108
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,000
rec center and all of those kinds of

1109
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,480
things, that that would be really a good

1110
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,240
and useful exercise for us.

1111
00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:50,840
>> I I would just add

1112
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,320
I mean, I I agree with Council member

1113
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,160
Vanski, right? Like this is

1114
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:56,480
you know, we should be looking at it

1115
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,800
now, right? And and and and figuring

1116
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,240
these things out, but you know, we're

1117
00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:03,840
2036, 2032, whatever is

1118
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,160
aways out and you know, a lot can change

1119
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,360
in that time. We've also got

1120
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:09,600
being that they can be used for pretty

1121
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,520
much anything it sounds like or most

1122
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,520
things that, you know, we've got the uh

1123
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,280
cold storage unit that's down here

1124
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,120
that's going to have to be replaced at

1125
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:20,280
some point, right? We're going to need

1126
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,800
funds for that. We have um you know,

1127
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,400
what what might we have to do to the old

1128
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,800
fire station to um

1129
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,760
you know, make it usable for whatever is

1130
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,000
determined that we need to use uh

1131
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,080
the rec center.

1132
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:35,640
We've heard parking a lot, right? It

1133
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,720
could be used for you know, whatever is

1134
00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:40,720
determined with parking. So, um I I just

1135
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:42,520
I hesitate to say like, "Yeah, we

1136
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:43,720
shouldn't

1137
00:42:43,720 --> 00:42:45,600
we should just stop doing these because

1138
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:46,760
they're

1139
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,920
it's not

1140
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,760
these aren't dream things that we're

1141
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,840
thinking about. There are real things

1142
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,880
that in the near very near future we're

1143
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,480
going to have to start figuring out how

1144
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,600
to pay. So.

1145
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,160
And it's another option where you're

1146
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,120
like, "We don't have to take out a loan.

1147
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:03,600
We have the money, right?" So, we're not

1148
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:08,030
paying interest. We're not you know, so.

1149
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:09,520
» We don't have the money right now. We

1150
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,600
have $677,000

1151
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:12,080
right now.

1152
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:13,880
>> but I'm saying in

1153
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,720
by 2032 we will, right? Right? So.

1154
00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:18,040
>> I mean, it's we're looking at 10 years

1155
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,880
down the road and I'm just saying

1156
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,120
as a tax, which is what it is,

1157
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,000
if we don't have something or an area to

1158
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,200
put it, there's no reason to continue to

1159
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:34,470
charge for it. That's my point.

1160
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,160
» All right. More to come on this

1161
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:37,680
discussion.

1162
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,600
All right. Trish, carry on.

1163
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,760
>> All right.

1164
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,120
Okay, now we're going to look at the

1165
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,040
updated 2027 general fund budget and

1166
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:47,680
levy.

1167
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,920
So, in June the preliminary budget levy

1168
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,720
projection was 3.31%

1169
00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:55,000
increase.

1170
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,920
After considering the guidance given

1171
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,360
from council at that June workshop and

1172
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,160
additional budget reviews, we are

1173
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,840
proposing a max tax levy increase of

1174
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,080
4.85%.

1175
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:07,960
This doesn't mean that property taxes

1176
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,760
will increase that much. Um that is the

1177
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,520
amount that it will increase over the

1178
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,440
2026

1179
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,710
um levy.

1180
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:20,760
And the changes that have been made

1181
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,400
since June

1182
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,640
are um per council direction, an

1183
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,920
additional parks and rec full-time

1184
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,440
employee was added back into the budget

1185
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,280
at $91,000 annually.

1186
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:40,120
Um this position will manage open space corridors and capital assets.

1187
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,040
This position was included in the

1188
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,840
current year's adopted budget, but had

1189
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,000
been removed from the proposed 2027

1190
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,560
budget presented in June.

1191
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,560
And then the next item, even though

1192
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:55,480
um

1193
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,440
this request won't have a general fund

1194
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,640
budget impact, we wanted to present the

1195
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,000
utility department full-time employee

1196
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,480
request.

1197
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,080
Um one water operator is going to be

1198
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,960
reducing their hours to 32 hours a week

1199
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,880
beginning in January,

1200
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,000
which will be creating a staffing gap

1201
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,840
for water on-call coverage and snow

1202
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,120
plowing responsibilities.

1203
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,680
Um so by requesting one additional FTE,

1204
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,560
um the position will additionally

1205
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,560
support a planned reorganization of

1206
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,440
public works duties,

1207
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,040
um as the operational and technical

1208
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,400
responsibilities are continuing to

1209
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:36,800
expand.

1210
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,240
And this will allow um some existing

1211
00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:42,320
staff to absorb higher-level technical

1212
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,960
work, which will then provide a greater

1213
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,480
support to our public works director and

1214
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,520
our public works superintendent.

1215
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,120
And in addition, streets and stormwater

1216
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,680
duties are going to be um

1217
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,480
aligned to improve efficiencies on

1218
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,560
shared activities,

1219
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,240
uh such as street sweeping,

1220
00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:04,160
blacktopping, milling, and pond

1221
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,560
maintenance where um, a larger crew is

1222
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,680
needed to perform those duties.

1223
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,600
And this position allows us to maintain

1224
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,160
our service levels, improve operational

1225
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:16,920
flexibility,

1226
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,760
and supports uh, growing public works

1227
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,480
demands um, with a single additional

1228
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:23,960
FTE.

1229
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,960
Again, no increase to the general fund

1230
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,160
budget, and we will discuss the further

1231
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,480
impact um, that this will have to the

1232
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,720
enterprise funds at our November

1233
00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:36,440
discussion.

1234
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,840
Um, the next is the fire department

1235
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,320
wages for paid on-call and duty crew.

1236
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,600
They have fallen below our market

1237
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,840
cities. So, we are planning a 7.7%

1238
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,640
increase versus the normal 3% increase

1239
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,480
um, to begin uh, plan to get the wages

1240
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,360
closer to market over the next few

1241
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,240
years.

1242
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:02,600
And then, in addition, one paid on-call

1243
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,000
or duty crew firefighter will be added

1244
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,190
to the team.

1245
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,000
And then, in 2027

1246
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,960
elections, um,

1247
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,960
which we normally don't have, we may

1248
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,240
have to hold a special election um, at a

1249
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:21,680
estimated cost of $17,000 if Senator

1250
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:25,600
Klobuchar wins the governor's race.

1251
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,360
Um, and then, per council direction at

1252
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,200
our last workshop, we added in

1253
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:34,000
wayfinding signs for a total of 75,000.

1254
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,440
35,000 will be coming from the general

1255
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,000
fund, and the um, remaining 40,000 is

1256
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,760
going to come from the shared parking

1257
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,430
fund.

1258
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:49,400
Um, we're removing 15,000 for a um,

1259
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,320
laser fiche upgrade project.

1260
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:53,080
Um,

1261
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,400
and then, finally, Southwest Transit

1262
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,600
will be removed from the 2027 budget.

1263
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,480
Um there have been some discussions at

1264
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,120
the county level of possibly subsidizing

1265
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,240
this service to Victoria residents.

1266
00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:08,360
And in the next slide, Abby's going to

1267
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,520
take over um and will give you more

1268
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,760
context into who is currently using um

1269
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,480
the service and other options available

1270
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:21,750
for um transit services in Victoria.

1271
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,280
» So, just a quick question on the

1272
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:24,120
election thing.

1273
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:25,960
>> Yes.

1274
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,520
>> Is there a decision

1275
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:29,880
somebody makes the decision about

1276
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:31,600
whether to appoint

1277
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,680
a a replacement for Senator Klobuchar or

1278
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,400
to hold a special election?

1279
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,600
>> So, apparently in state statute, which I

1280
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,960
recently learned is that this is a

1281
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,520
position that they are not allowed to

1282
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:44,360
appoint.

1283
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,480
>> Oh, okay. I just learned that too. I did

1284
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,000
not know that.

1285
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,040
Okay, thank you.

1286
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:50,400
>> The county I had a meeting with the

1287
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:51,840
county and that's what they said. So,

1288
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,600
there will be

1289
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,600
is what they're telling us, an election

1290
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,080
if um governor if she does win the

1291
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:00,440
governor's race.

1292
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,920
Um there's still some talk about the

1293
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,960
state maybe providing cities funding,

1294
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:07,880
but they're not going to make that

1295
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,040
decision, I guess, until probably they

1296
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,960
know for sure if she if there actually

1297
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,680
is going to be an election. So, we're

1298
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:15,480
just

1299
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,320
all the cities are just planning on that

1300
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,840
there's going to be an election just in

1301
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:24,360
case for budgetary purposes.

1302
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,920
>> Okay. Thanks.

1303
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,680
All right, Abby.

1304
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,840
>> All right. So, about a year ago, we

1305
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,160
completed a large analysis to find

1306
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,760
trends in the ridership data.

1307
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,720
We looked at all the rides for the 12

1308
00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:41,760
months between August 2024 and August

1309
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,560
2025.

1310
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,560
In that time, there were 1,391

1311
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:50,040
total rides picked up in Victoria.

1312
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:51,640
What we found is that a lot of those

1313
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,760
rides are repeat individuals. In fact,

1314
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,120
the top 30 riders made up 80% of the

1315
00:49:58,120 --> 00:49:59,440
rides.

1316
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,720
Uh in total, we saw 147 individual

1317
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:05,760
riders, which is about 1.2% of the

1318
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,640
population of Victoria.

1319
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,880
How are these riders utilizing the

1320
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,240
service? Um looking at the trends in the

1321
00:50:13,240 --> 00:50:15,880
pickup and drop-off addresses, we can

1322
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:17,760
surmise that people are coming in to

1323
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,440
work.

1324
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,880
We can see in the data that the same

1325
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,440
individual riders are being picked up at

1326
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,440
the elementary school, downtown

1327
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,680
restaurants, downtown businesses, and

1328
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,160
being dropped off at apartment buildings

1329
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:34,080
in neighboring towns.

1330
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,680
Um Southwest charges the city based on

1331
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,000
the pickup location.

1332
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:40,560
So, neighboring cities are billed for

1333
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,440
transportation into Victoria, and

1334
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,720
Victoria is charged for transportation

1335
00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:46,400
back home.

1336
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,400
And we also saw riders being picked up

1337
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,600
at homes in Victoria and being dropped

1338
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,120
off at retail, grocery stores, and

1339
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,680
medical facilities in the area.

1340
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,840
10% of the pickups for the year were

1341
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,470
picked up at Able Light.

1342
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,520
There is an alternative to Southwest

1343
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,840
Transit that is currently operating in

1344
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,560
Victoria. It's called Transit Link. And

1345
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,760
it has a similar cost to the rider,

1346
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,480
similar coverage area, and there is no

1347
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,000
cost to the city for residents to use

1348
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,600
this.

1349
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,920
In summary, a small percentage of

1350
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,000
Victoria's population use Southwest

1351
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,400
Transit, and the people who use it use

1352
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,520
it for necessary travel.

1353
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,400
There are current alternatives that will

1354
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,160
not impact the tax levy, and depending

1355
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,040
on where the county lands for funding

1356
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,160
may continue to be a service available

1357
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:36,680
to residents.

1358
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,320
>> Okay, so I have a question on So,

1359
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,040
currently we are subsidizing the

1360
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:42,880
Southwest Transit

1361
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:44,120
rides.

1362
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,440
Will those rides still be available, but

1363
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,160
without a subsidy if we choose not to

1364
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:50,760
fund it.

1365
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:52,520
Do we know that answer?

1366
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:53,960
>> So, Mayor and members of the council,

1367
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,750
I'll jump in here. So,

1368
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,480
Transit Link, so we'll start with that,

1369
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,360
the Met Council service will continue to

1370
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,480
operate um as far as we know.

1371
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,360
Um and that will not have a property tax

1372
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,680
contribution. So, that the rider

1373
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,120
calls or schedules their appointment,

1374
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,040
they get picked up, they pay their fee

1375
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,280
directly to the bus driver um when they

1376
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,920
get on, and we just get ridership data,

1377
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,320
we don't get a bill. On Southwest

1378
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:26,680
Transit,

1379
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:30,080
if the county decides that they will

1380
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,520
continue to fund the service for

1381
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,040
Victoria,

1382
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,520
um and pick up our share of the cost, so

1383
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,000
what we've been contributing now with

1384
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,120
property tax levy, um is the ask on the

1385
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:45,520
table.

1386
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,640
Um and so, if the county makes that

1387
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,600
decision, which it sounds like they're

1388
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,440
going to make that decision by the end

1389
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:56,240
of the year, just not before max tax,

1390
00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:57,840
then

1391
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,160
that service would continue in the

1392
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,320
similar fashion as Transit Link, so the

1393
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,560
Met Council Transit, where the rider

1394
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,280
would pay their fee,

1395
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,360
we would get a report, but we would not

1396
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,440
be paying that subsidy. In place of that

1397
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:13,720
would be

1398
00:53:13,720 --> 00:53:16,520
the county paying that subsidy for us.

1399
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,800
And so, if the county decides not to do

1400
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:21,800
that, it is my understanding that

1401
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,800
Southwest Transit will cease their

1402
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,440
on-demand

1403
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,400
service here in Victoria.

1404
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,240
So, that doesn't mean that those transit

1405
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:32,600
services go away, cuz the Met Council,

1406
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:36,680
the Transit Link services will continue.

1407
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:40,000
>> Does Does the Transit Link, I mean, when

1408
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,400
you say it's similar or just like Salt

1409
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,560
Lake. I mean, they're all able to take

1410
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,840
wheelchairs cuz my biggest concern is

1411
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:49,720
you know, yes, it's only 1.2% of

1412
00:53:49,720 --> 00:53:52,120
Victoria's population, but

1413
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,040
as we see, 10% are from AbleLight. I'm

1414
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:55,880
sure a lot of them are people who can't

1415
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:57,520
drive, who can't especially right,

1416
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:58,640
whatever.

1417
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,800
I'm just concerned about

1418
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:02,520
the ability for

1419
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:03,520
our

1420
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,800
more vulnerable

1421
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:07,160
residents to be able to get to the

1422
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,200
places they need to get to.

1423
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:10,520
>> Mayor members of the council, my

1424
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:12,560
understanding is that it's it's similar

1425
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,280
buses and similar services.

1426
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,840
The only thing that would change would

1427
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:21,400
the biggest difference is Southwest says

1428
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:26,040
you can go on an app and literally do I

1429
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,920
need to to be picked up in 2 hours and

1430
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:30,960
they will try to accommodate that as

1431
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,800
best as possible. The difference with

1432
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,840
Met Council service is that they request

1433
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,600
24-hour notice.

1434
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,760
They will try to accommodate any if I

1435
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,600
need to be picked up in 2 hours, it

1436
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,000
might be we can't get there for 3 hours,

1437
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,200
but to guarantee

1438
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:55,040
the ride, 24 hours is requested. So,

1439
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,320
with some of the

1440
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:58,160
um

1441
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,840
the the data that we've collected and

1442
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,800
how people are using it, a lot of it is

1443
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,320
to get to and from work. Those are

1444
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,920
fairly predictable jobs. You know your

1445
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,040
schedule probably 24 hours in advance,

1446
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:14,080
so we feel like with some education um

1447
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,520
and some direct, I'll call it marketing

1448
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,360
or outreach to those individuals, we can

1449
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,480
help them make that transition if

1450
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:22,840
Southwest

1451
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,120
is no longer funded. Part of what's

1452
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:28,360
driving this change is at the Southwest

1453
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,480
board level,

1454
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,000
they have said that they really want to

1455
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:36,280
focus on recouping their costs for um

1456
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:41,440
for operating, and um to operate

1457
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,920
uh per ride, they're telling us it's

1458
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,960
close to $40. Um so, we're paying $12 a

1459
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:49,960
ride. I think the rider's paying four or

1460
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,040
five dollars, so

1461
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,280
um there's a significant gap there. Um

1462
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,200
and so, it would be very challenging for

1463
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,760
us um

1464
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:04,960
to continue to to pay $40 a ride or $35

1465
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:06,080
a ride.

1466
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,240
>> Two two things. Uh I'm not seeing a lot

1467
00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:10,280
of downside in Transit Link as an

1468
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,080
option. Number one. And then, you said

1469
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:14,760
the county if

1470
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:16,600
decision by the end of the calendar

1471
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:17,440
year, roughly?

1472
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:18,440
>> my understanding.

1473
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,600
>> Okay.

1474
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,040
>> Not before Max Tax.

1475
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:23,080
>> Got it.

1476
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,320
>> Do we have individual rider data? Like,

1477
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,160
do we get that data at all? So, like we

1478
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,400
could try and, like you said, reach out

1479
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:30,960
and

1480
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:32,000
you know,

1481
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:33,480
see provide that data and then I'll

1482
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,040
obviously also our Kendra and her team

1483
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:37,880
is are great at social media, so we can

1484
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,600
pump out as much information as possible

1485
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,480
to the public about this change, you

1486
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:43,400
know?

1487
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,040
>> Yeah.

1488
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,600
Okay. Other questions? Thoughts?

1489
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,520
>> I would just add that part of that I

1490
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,840
would like maybe just because not some

1491
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:54,560
of these, you know, this our seniors and

1492
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:55,960
stuff might not be on social media, so

1493
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,000
like visiting whether it's visiting

1494
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,240
AbleLight or um you know, getting a

1495
00:57:01,240 --> 00:57:03,360
pamphlet to AbleLight, like just making

1496
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,760
sure we're uh doing our best to reach

1497
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,000
out to those. Seems maybe it's even one

1498
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,280
of those uh donuts, you know, in

1499
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,040
Victoria type thing where we're doing

1500
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:13,040
something.

1501
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:14,400
>> Mayor members of the council, just a

1502
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,840
quick note. Um I know that we're short

1503
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:18,400
on time, but I just want to say that we

1504
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,720
have met staff have met with um the

1505
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,000
Transit Link people,

1506
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,600
um and they are very much in support of

1507
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:27,760
coming out. They actually donuts was one

1508
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,320
of the things that um they said that

1509
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,520
they would be interested or even going

1510
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,480
um and come like if, for example if we

1511
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,800
have a lot of right writers at Ablelight

1512
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:38,880
that they would be willing to go to

1513
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,720
Ablelight and share who they are and how

1514
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,120
and help people get connected.

1515
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,880
So they've been really good partners.

1516
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:54,070
>> And this all could be moot if the county decides to fund it this so.

1517
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,320
» All right, go ahead.

1518
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,920
>> Okay, so

1519
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:00,080
um

1520
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,880
back to the levy. So the breakdown of

1521
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,040
the projected levy

1522
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,560
um is as shown the overall increase in

1523
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:11,560
the levy is about $475,000

1524
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:17,270
or 4.85%.

1525
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,360
And as you can see here we're looking at

1526
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,720
a fairly steady levy over the next

1527
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,000
couple of years after returning to a

1528
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:28,560
level similar um to 2022

1529
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:30,640
after having a few recent years that

1530
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:32,680
included investments in higher cost

1531
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:38,550
infrastructure.

1532
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,600
And what does this 4.85%

1533
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,520
increase in the city's levy mean for

1534
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,680
your property tax bill?

1535
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,640
Um this chart shows a projected tax rate

1536
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,760
with the updated market values I

1537
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,480
received from the county last week.

1538
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:57,440
Um the adjusted net tax capacity

1539
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:00,800
um increased by 7.9%

1540
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,320
um which does include new construction

1541
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,720
values. So as you can see the projected

1542
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:08,320
tax rate

1543
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,960
um will decrease resulting in a decrease

1544
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,560
in taxes if your home value remained

1545
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,160
stable year over year.

1546
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,720
Now if your home value increased by 3

1547
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,520
and 1/2% which reflects the overall

1548
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:23,640
market value increase

1549
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:25,800
um your taxes should stay close to the

1550
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:32,630
same um because of the lower tax rate.

1551
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,920
Any questions on the levy numbers?

1552
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,680
>> And this is based on the 4.85%?

1553
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:41,240
>> It is, yes.

1554
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:42,891
That's great news.

1555
00:59:42,891 --> 00:59:44,720
>> [snorts]

1556
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:45,480
>> Okay.

1557
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,040
Any other questions, comments on this?

1558
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:49,120
No.

1559
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:52,280
Then um as stated earlier, our September

1560
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,920
14th meeting will have to set our max

1561
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:56,400
tax levy,

1562
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:57,000
um

1563
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,080
which needs to be certified to the

1564
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:01,640
county by September 30th.

1565
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:04,000
Um we will continue to review and refine

1566
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:08,400
the tax levy throughout the fall.

1567
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,240
And then just a few questions. I know I

1568
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:12,800
think the first question we already

1569
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,000
answered with the parkland dedication

1570
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,120
fees. Um I think we're all pretty clear

1571
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,640
on what you are asking about that.

1572
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,240
Um but the next question is asking

1573
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,240
council if they wish to proceed with a

1574
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,960
max tax levy of 4.85%.

1575
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:29,480
And then if there's any additional

1576
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:32,400
information that you would um like to

1577
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,480
see um before that's approved on the

1578
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:38,160
September 14th meeting.

1579
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,320
Council, anything more than what we've

1580
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:43,680
already directed for staff?

1581
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:44,600
>> Not for me.

1582
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:46,760
>> I think we're all set then.

1583
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:48,240
All right, that's the end of my

1584
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,400
presentation. Thank you. All right, any

1585
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,000
final thoughts for

1586
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,240
Trish and team before we adjourn the

1587
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:58,070
workshop.

1588
01:00:58,080 --> 01:00:59,520
» Okay, there are no further items on our

1589
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,320
workshop agenda this evening, so I will

1590
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:02,800
entertain a motion to adjourn.

1591
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:04,360
>> I make a motion to adjourn.

1592
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:04,880
>> Second.

1593
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:06,120
>> We have a motion and a second. All in

1594
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:07,720
favor signify by saying I.

1595
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:08,240
>> I.

1596
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:10,600
>> Any opposed? Motion carries. We stand

1597
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,120
adjourned.