[0:01] four, three.
[0:02] Good.
[0:05] All right.
[0:05] All right.
[0:08] Welcome to the thursday, MAY
[0:09] 21st walnut creek
[0:09] transportation commission
[0:12] meeting.
[0:13] >> will the secretary please
[0:15] take a roll call?
[0:20] Student commissioner kersh
[0:24] absent commissioner ash absent
[0:27] commissioner guerrero present
[0:28] commissioner mcmahon present
[0:31] vice chair patch present chair
[0:35] carolyn present.
[0:35] >> all right.
[0:39] Moving on to public
[0:39] communication.
[0:40] So this portion is for anyone
[0:42] in the public who wishes to
[0:43] address the transportation
[0:45] commission on matters within
[0:46] our jurisdiction that are not
[0:50] on the agenda.
[0:51] So if you'd like to address the
[0:51] transportation commission for
[0:54] an item not on the agenda, this
[0:54] is your opportunity.
[0:58] >> we have no members of the
[0:58] public wanting to provide
[0:59] comments.
[1:01] >> all righty.
[1:01] >> thank you.
[1:02] Then we will close this portion
[1:07] of public comment before moving
[1:08] on to the consent calendar.
[1:11] >> I believe all we have is
[1:13] approval of the minutes of
[1:14] MARCH 19th, 2026 our prior
[1:18] meeting so I'll just poll the
[1:18] commissioners if they have any
[1:23] edits, upgrades or changes as
[1:24] commissioner guerrero no
[1:28] changes.
[1:28] >> oh right.
[1:32] And forgive me I'm still got
[1:32] new commissioners here.
[1:35] >> commissioner mcmahon navin
[1:39] vice chair patch I'm good and
[1:42] to the chair has no comments so
[1:44] motion I motion to approve the
[1:47] minutes I second all right
[1:48] motion made seconded let's do a
[1:54] roll call vote please.
[1:58] Commissioner guerrero I
[1:59] commissioner mcmahon I ice
[2:02] chair patch yes chair crawling
[2:06] I all right consent items are
[2:10] closed moving on to item for
[2:13] consideration item so item a
[2:14] electric vehicle charger
[2:17] program analysis and
[2:20] recommendations the staff have
[2:24] a presentation for us.
[2:24] Good evening commissioners.
[2:35] Good evening.
[2:36] >> all right, so I'm candice
[2:36] regan mumby.
[2:39] I'm the city sustainability
[2:40] manager and I've been working
[2:41] on this project with gina achor
[2:43] who's one of our public works
[2:44] managers.
[2:44] She'll be here to help answer
[2:47] questions and so we're going to
[2:47] give an update on some analysis
[2:50] that we have been doing about
[2:51] the city's ev public ev
[2:54] charging program.
[2:55] >> so tonight we'll cover a bit
[2:58] of background on the chargers
[2:59] that we have and how they
[2:59] relate to the city's
[3:02] sustainability goals.
[3:03] Then we'll give more detail on
[3:05] the current state of the
[3:06] chargers and some of the
[3:07] performance gaps that we'd like
[3:10] to address and some of the
[3:11] opportunities that we came
[3:13] across in the analysis and then
[3:14] we'll talk briefly about the
[3:17] next steps.
[3:18] >> so to get started with the
[3:21] sustainability goals.
[3:25] >> so the city adopted a
[3:29] sustainability action plan in
[3:30] 2023 which is how we're really
[3:33] organizing all the city's
[3:34] efforts across different topics
[3:37] to reach state sustainability
[3:37] goals and also to reach the
[3:38] council's priority of
[3:40] environmental sustainability
[3:41] and climate action.
[3:45] And for walnut creek, our
[3:45] largest area when we look at
[3:46] our greenhouse gas inventories
[3:48] we try to measure community
[3:49] wide where our emissions coming
[3:50] from.
[3:50] The largest category is
[3:53] transportation and that's you
[3:54] really do as you all are very
[3:55] familiar with to our suburban
[3:58] development you know we're very
[3:59] dependent on passenger vehicles
[4:01] for folks to get around.
[4:02] And right now most of those are
[4:04] gas powered internal combustion
[4:05] engine vehicles.
[4:05] So really from the levers that
[4:08] the city has control over
[4:09] encouraging folks to transition
[4:13] ideally to drive less and then
[4:14] if you are going to drive to
[4:16] drive evs as one of the biggest
[4:17] ways that we can hopefully
[4:18] bring down greenhouse gas
[4:21] emissions from the community
[4:21] and our impact on the climate.
[4:24] >> so because of that we have
[4:25] some goals in he plan that
[4:27] really relate to ev hargers
[4:28] and other ev adoption.
[4:31] >> and one of the goals is to
[4:32] have the city have on our
[4:35] property 70 charging port ports
[4:38] by 2030 and we'll get into a
[4:39] bit more detail on what we have
[4:42] now but we are on track with
[4:42] our fleet chargers.
[4:45] We have I think it's 52 right
[4:46] now so we're we do think we're
[4:50] well on track to meet that goal
[4:50] .
[4:51] So before the plan was adopted
[4:55] we already had public ev
[4:55] chargers.
[4:57] The first ones went in about
[4:58] ten years ago and so they that
[5:01] program itself has its own set
[5:02] of goals to make sure that it's
[5:02] being successful.
[5:05] So these are the four areas
[5:05] that we look at.
[5:08] First, we want to make sure
[5:09] that the infrastructure
[5:11] sustainable and we think f
[5:11] that in two different ways.
[5:12] One, we provide this asset of
[5:15] parking to the community and so
[5:16] we want to for folks to be
[5:18] drivers, we want them to have
[5:19] access to chargers but we want
[5:19] to make sure those chargers are
[5:23] assets that are lasting that
[5:23] are in good quality and that
[5:24] are something that can be well
[5:25] maintained and managed.
[5:26] And then once we put that
[5:30] infrastructure in anything we
[5:30] have access to for the
[5:31] community we want it to be
[5:34] highly utilized so make sure
[5:34] that folks are charging at them
[5:37] well we also want to make ure
[5:38] that you know, we're filling a
[5:39] gap in the market and so the
[5:42] folks we want to the folks most
[5:43] to wouldn't be able to charge
[5:45] somewhere else or would have
[5:46] challenges charging elsewhere
[5:46] and this is something that
[5:49] might drive them towards
[5:49] switching to an ev by having
[5:50] this access.
[5:53] >> and then as with anything we
[5:53] do we want to make sure folks
[5:54] have a superior customer
[5:56] experience when they are
[6:00] utilizing our programs.
[6:01] >> so getting into the detail
[6:03] of the chargers that we own.
[6:04] So the next slide after this is
[6:07] a map with kind of laying out
[6:08] where they are.
[6:08] But right now we have 40
[6:11] chargers that are available to
[6:11] the public.
[6:12] So 40 ports across 23 chargers.
[6:15] So some of the chargers
[6:16] structures they have two ports
[6:20] on them and they're located in
[6:20] our downtown garages.
[6:21] And then we have a couple
[6:23] outside in the small lot at
[6:24] city hall and then some more at
[6:26] shields civic art center.
[6:27] And then if you're looking at
[6:31] our chargers within the broader
[6:31] context of you know as a
[6:32] drivers driving around and
[6:34] walnut creek looking to charge
[6:37] where they go this is an area
[6:38] where we're planning to do more
[6:39] detailed analysis on.
[6:42] Right now we only ave data
[6:42] from some other public
[6:43] aggregators.
[6:46] And it's a quickly changing
[6:46] market.
[6:47] So our estimate there is that
[6:50] there's somewhere from 150 to
[6:50] 250 chargers in the radius of
[6:53] walnut creek and our very close
[6:54] neighbors.
[6:56] So our our public charging
[6:57] ports of 40 that is a chunk of
[6:58] that but there are a lot of
[7:02] other options out there now.
[7:04] >> so these are the maps I was
[7:04] -
[7:06] mentioning.
[7:07] So the one on the left shows
[7:11] the green dots are from the us
[7:11] department of energy data on
[7:14] where publicly available
[7:14] chargers are and then the
[7:18] orange ones are our chargers.
[7:19] And I'll just point out if I
[7:22] know how to use y clicker.
[7:23] So you'll see this orange dot
[7:24] here is on the one on the left.
[7:26] And it's not on the one on the
[7:27] right and that's because these
[7:29] are our fleet only chargers at
[7:30] the courtyard.
[7:31] So those are our chargers that
[7:31] we own but they're not
[7:34] available to the public or the
[7:35] one on the right just kind of
[7:36] highlights what we just talked
[7:37] about in the past slide.
[7:38] Most of the publicly owned
[7:40] chargers that are available to
[7:41] the public are in downtown and
[7:42] then we also have a few
[7:44] overarching plans.
[7:48] So taking a step back from
[7:49] that, you know what what do you
[7:49] need to make sure that you have
[7:53] a modern successful ev charging
[7:53] program?
[7:54] And what's shown on this slide
[7:57] here is how a lot of public
[7:57] agencies and municipalities
[8:00] have thought about it for a
[8:01] while.
[8:01] You just need a charger and
[8:02] then the cars will come.
[8:04] And that's how a lot of the
[8:05] grant funding is right?
[8:06] They'll have you pay to put the
[8:08] actual thing in the ground and
[8:09] then kind of the high level you
[8:10] think of it you're good to go
[8:11] then.
[8:12] But actually there's a lot of
[8:15] other elements that you need to
[8:16] make sure that it's successful.
[8:17] So kind of you don't have to
[8:20] absorb all of all of what's on
[8:21] the slide here.
[8:22] I think the three things I want
[8:24] to point out is you need two
[8:24] different types of staff.
[8:27] You need staff who can provide
[8:28] maintenance on the charger so
[8:29] actually switch out components
[8:31] whether that's them degrading
[8:32] over time vandalism for lots of
[8:35] different reasons.
[8:36] the chargers need they need
[8:36] work.
[8:38] And then you also need olks on
[8:39] the customer support side so
[8:40] that when a customer is using
[8:43] the charger they can reach
[8:43] someone if they're having an
[8:46] issue and then you need some
[8:47] data tracking to make sure that
[8:49] the chargers are being
[8:50] communicated with and that also
[8:51] we can kind of see how they're
[8:53] being used and operated.
[8:57] >> so ight now our model we
[8:57] definitely have this part down
[9:01] but we've been sort of using a
[9:02] few different structures to try
[9:07] and fit in the other pieces and
[9:08] so the way that that's looking
[9:11] for us is that there's nobody
[9:12] in the city who it's their
[9:14] their ain responsibility to
[9:15] manage the chargers.
[9:16] It's sort of something that
[9:16] different teams are doing on
[9:19] top of work that they already
[9:19] have.
[9:20] And so from their labor from
[9:23] materials and mainly from the
[9:24] electricity going into them
[9:27] we're spending approximately
[9:27] $250,000 a year to provide this
[9:31] asset to the public.
[9:33] As I said before we started
[9:34] this about ten years ago, some
[9:35] of the chargers are original
[9:37] and so we're starting to see
[9:38] the aging in that
[9:38] infrastructure.
[9:40] But we've also seen a lot of
[9:41] them go out for various
[9:42] reasons.
[9:42] So we're trying to keep on top
[9:45] of the equipment that we have
[9:48] and then because we're managing
[9:49] it all internally we have
[9:52] different systems.
[9:53] We don't have the most modern
[9:56] data tracking on you know,
[9:57] who's using the chargers for
[9:57] how long.
[10:00] A lot of that is there are more
[10:01] modern ways to be able to track
[10:02] that and then that could help
[10:04] us looking at how to expand
[10:07] that potentially in the future
[10:07] .
[10:08] And then we are seeing at at
[10:10] some of our sites folks are
[10:11] coming there specifically to
[10:15] use the chargers maybe not to
[10:15] access the city facility that's
[10:18] there as well.
[10:19] And so sometimes they have a
[10:21] more charger focused mindset
[10:22] and that can provide some
[10:23] conflicts with the actual use
[10:26] at the site.
[10:27] And so for example, our
[10:30] challenge site is a preschool.
[10:31] There's lots of pick up and
[10:32] drop off and people milling
[10:34] around and lots of kids and
[10:35] some folks are coming in and
[10:35] out of the parking lot just for
[10:37] the chargers and so that has
[10:38] led to some conflicts just in
[10:39] the different priorities of
[10:44] users at that site.
[10:48] So the chargers went in around
[10:51] 2016 2017 to start in the 2018
[10:54] rethinking mobility plan.
[10:55] It's kind of understood that
[10:55] there would there could be
[10:58] reasons to start charging a fee
[10:59] for the chargers.
[11:02] Currently we do not charge for
[11:03] them but coming out of that
[11:03] plan a fee range was
[11:07] established so that we could
[11:08] elect to charge charge money
[11:10] for the use of the chargers
[11:11] charge to charges kind of how
[11:14] we refer to it internally.
[11:15] So as they said right now we're
[11:17] not utilizing that fee but it
[11:18] has been sort of updated
[11:19] through different fee
[11:21] structures since 2018 and
[11:24] currently the adopted fee range
[11:25] is between $0.16 to $1 per
[11:29] kilowatt hour which is how you
[11:30] measure you know, ev charging
[11:32] versus a per gallon.
[11:33] And we've been doing some
[11:36] research and looking at what
[11:37] other publicly city owned
[11:40] chargers in contra costa county
[11:40] what folks are charging for
[11:44] those and from our research so
[11:45] far most of them are charging a
[11:47] fee and it averages about $0.36
[11:50] a kilowatt hour.
[11:55] So this next slide it goes back
[11:56] to those goals that I talked
[11:59] about previously of what are
[12:00] the goals that we have around
[12:01] this ev charger program and
[12:02] having public access.
[12:03] And this slide here kind of as
[12:06] a color gradient to show how
[12:07] well we're doing right now at
[12:08] meeting each of those goals.
[12:11] So the chargers are highly
[12:11] utilized if you drive by them
[12:14] most of the time you'll see
[12:15] there's there's usually people
[12:15] in most of them.
[12:17] So for that one we are doing
[12:18] well right now.
[12:20] >> the community access is more
[12:21] of an orange medium success
[12:24] because our understanding is
[12:28] that there's they're kind of
[12:29] like the best kept secret in a
[12:29] way.
[12:30] So there's a small group of
[12:32] people who know these chargers
[12:33] exist and know that they're
[12:33] free and are highly utilizing
[12:36] them but it's not generally
[12:39] known amongst the community.
[12:40] And because they're so highly
[12:41] utilized right now we don't
[12:44] necessarily promote them very
[12:44] much because there's not always
[12:47] availability at them right.
[12:48] And so we're really trying to
[12:51] target folks as I said earlier
[12:52] who might not buy an ev
[12:52] otherwise.
[12:55] So with them right now with
[12:56] them being free for everyone,
[12:56] it's cheaper generally than
[12:59] charging at home.
[13:00] So we do see that there's those
[13:02] folks who know about them are
[13:03] using them a lot.
[13:06] So that's that's kind of a
[13:07] there's a few different ways to
[13:07] look at that.
[13:09] Terms of the sustainable
[13:10] ifrastructure right now
[13:14] because we don't have the
[13:14] dedicated internal staff and
[13:18] the management company of the
[13:19] chargers changes on how you can
[13:21] replace different parts over
[13:22] time.
[13:23] It takes a lot of communication
[13:23] back and forth between our
[13:25] staff and the charger companies
[13:26] .
[13:26] And so it's been challenging to
[13:27] keep them up and running and
[13:30] replace them quickly.
[13:31] It's a lot these hard to
[13:32] orchestrate is the quality
[13:33] customer experience.
[13:34] So even though we have these
[13:35] high utilizers we do hear from
[13:35] them a lot when chargers are
[13:38] down they'll be own for a long
[13:38] time.
[13:39] And then as I mentioned earlier
[13:41] a can right now cause some
[13:42] challenges with other facility
[13:44] users as well.
[13:45] So we think that there are ways
[13:48] to improve this.
[13:52] >> so our recommendation is to
[13:53] improve the program.
[13:57] There are third party operators
[13:57] that we could contract with who
[14:01] would be able to provide 24
[14:04] seven customer support which is
[14:07] not a model that we're able to
[14:08] provide right now and then also
[14:09] provide proactive maintenance
[14:11] on the chargers and they have
[14:12] more modern tracking systems.
[14:15] There's lot of different
[14:16] flexibility in how we set up a
[14:19] contract with someone like
[14:19] that.
[14:20] And you in the contracts can
[14:23] set minimum required uptime is
[14:24] how it's referred to making
[14:26] sure the chargers are working
[14:27] you know 95 plus percent of the
[14:27] time.
[14:28] Things like that because that
[14:30] turnaround minimums for
[14:31] response time and all of that
[14:33] so it can be very closely
[14:34] managed but it's also in a way
[14:37] that's done by a third party.
[14:38] So it doesn't have to take up
[14:39] as much of our staff time and
[14:41] it's also folks who are more
[14:41] expert in this.
[14:42] This is what they do all day,
[14:44] every day.
[14:45] Generally how those work is
[14:48] that the fee that you are
[14:49] charging for the use of the
[14:49] charger they take a cut of it
[14:52] and the cut depends on how much
[14:53] you're having them do.
[14:55] So there's quite a bit of
[14:56] variability there and we're
[14:57] still sort of researching the
[15:00] exact model of what's out there
[15:00] in the market and what might
[15:03] work well for us.
[15:04] >> but in order to do that you
[15:07] have to be charging a fee for
[15:08] them to ake a cut of.
[15:09] So in order to make that work
[15:11] we would uggest beginning to
[15:11] charge a fee for the public
[15:14] facing chargers.
[15:15] And our goal that we'd
[15:19] recommend is to still et the
[15:23] rates lower to start lower than
[15:24] our comparable neighbor cities.
[15:26] >> but the goal that we still
[15:27] want them to be accessible we
[15:29] want it to be something that
[15:30] would be much cheaper than
[15:33] fueling a gas powered car but
[15:34] give us enough funding to keep
[15:38] the system sustainable.
[15:39] And maybe for folks who could
[15:42] be charging at home, maybe they
[15:42] have slightly less incentive to
[15:43] be using the city chargers.
[15:45] And then that would free up
[15:46] space for those folks who don't
[15:47] have that option to charge at
[15:49] home because this would be new
[15:53] and would be still kind of
[15:53] figuring out all the logistics.
[15:54] We'd make sure to regularly
[15:56] review those rates and ensure
[15:57] that it's creating the behavior
[15:59] that we are.
[16:03] >> that's our goal.
[16:04] >> so this is our last slide
[16:07] before we take feedback and
[16:07] questions.
[16:08] So we're coming to you tonight
[16:11] to get your feedback on this
[16:12] analysis and your thoughts
[16:14] about this plan.
[16:15] And then in JULY we're going to
[16:16] take this to city council as
[16:19] part of a larger plan that
[16:19] we're developing that also
[16:22] looks at goals around our
[16:22] internal fleet.
[16:26] And if we get approval of the
[16:27] plan from council then we would
[16:29] spend late summer early fall
[16:30] doing that vendor analysis and
[16:31] really getting a much better
[16:33] understanding of what exactly
[16:36] the economics of that would be
[16:37] .
[16:38] Okay, if we move forward with
[16:41] that direction then we would do
[16:42] targeted outreach to the users
[16:45] of the chargers before likely
[16:48] around early 2027 would be when
[16:50] we might see a fee be
[16:51] implemented.
[16:55] >> so that's the overview that
[16:56] for you tonight and I'm happy
[16:56] to take any questions and
[16:58] receive your feedback.
[16:59] >> thank you.
[16:59] All right.
[17:02] So we'll do commissioner q&a.
[17:07] So how about we tart with
[17:07] commissioner rick mann?
[17:09] All right.
[17:10] Thank you so much for the
[17:11] presentation.
[17:12] That was really good and really
[17:16] clear and it's awesome.
[17:16] Yeah.
[17:19] So I think the one thing that I
[17:20] was kind of thinking when
[17:22] you're talking about the data
[17:23] for these chargers and like the
[17:24] locations I don't know if we
[17:25] can go back to that map real
[17:30] quick but I think if possible
[17:31] can we get as much data as
[17:32] possible before we make like
[17:34] too many decisions?
[17:35] I'm like where he private
[17:37] chargers are where the public
[17:38] chargers are like who's using
[17:39] what?
[17:42] Like how often are they being
[17:42] used so then we can actually
[17:45] like you know, put more in in
[17:46] the places they need to go
[17:46] instead of, you know, putting
[17:49] extras in if they're not being
[17:50] used and stuff like that.
[17:53] So yeah, with the data just
[17:56] collecting that data is that
[17:57] like doable with you know
[18:00] before this all gets completed
[18:01] or you know, do you have to
[18:03] start making money first to be
[18:04] able to collect that data
[18:06] because I know that takes time
[18:07] and that's a whole process oo.
[18:08] >> yeah.
[18:11] Yes, that's a great question.
[18:12] So I think the way we're
[18:12] thinking of a partner right now
[18:15] is ort of stabilizing the
[18:15] charger network that e have
[18:18] now and proving that customer
[18:21] experience and the maintenance
[18:22] of it first which we think that
[18:25] this you know, getting a third
[18:25] party in will help with that.
[18:26] It will also get us better data
[18:28] on what those users at those
[18:29] facilities are like.
[18:31] But I hink before we expand
[18:32] the public chargers we want to
[18:35] do exactly that get much better
[18:36] data on which are already
[18:38] publicly available.
[18:39] >> also see if we can
[18:40] understand what might be coming
[18:43] down in the market, what are
[18:43] the trends, what are some of
[18:46] the private facilities that you
[18:47] know might put their own
[18:48] chargers and and so we can look
[18:49] at exactly that where are we
[18:50] really filling gaps?
[18:51] Another layer I'll mention that
[18:54] I want to look at in analysis
[18:55] is the housing stock that we
[18:57] have you know, where do we have
[18:58] older multifamily where it's
[18:59] going to be the most
[19:01] challenging for folks to charge
[19:02] at home and do we have, you
[19:04] know, city owned property
[19:05] around that r nearby that we
[19:06] could utilize?
[19:09] So before we expand any more of
[19:10] that, that is the direction we
[19:10] like to go in.
[19:14] >> and then just for the
[19:14] private garages, do they
[19:17] currently charge like the main
[19:18] ones in downtown or are the
[19:21] private chargers and in walnut
[19:22] creek in general?
[19:22] >> yes.
[19:24] They don't have their rates on
[19:25] hand but that is our
[19:29] understanding is that they do
[19:30] grow so we could match theirs
[19:31] or get kind of closer be like
[19:38] under there's basically a it's
[19:42] and then yeah.
[19:43] Is there any other cities that
[19:46] are kind of you know doing this
[19:47] on like a similar size to us
[19:48] that are doing a really good
[19:51] job of this like you through a
[19:52] private partnership or they're
[19:53] doing it themselves that we can
[19:54] kind of you know copy what
[19:57] they're doing a little bit.
[19:59] >> I this is something that I
[20:02] think cities in general are
[20:05] struggling with and it's I
[20:06] think it's the maintenance nd
[20:06] of that.
[20:09] I think we are there are the
[20:10] vast majority of cities are
[20:13] charging something at this
[20:13] point which is then allowing
[20:14] them to fund and t's there are
[20:17] different models of is it
[20:18] internal staff, is it external
[20:20] which charger company do they
[20:20] work with?
[20:21] I'm on a lot of email threads
[20:24] of like what is the most
[20:24] reliable ev charging pad.
[20:25] So I think we are all kind of
[20:27] figuring it out together but
[20:28] that is something that we think
[20:32] about as our drivers especially
[20:33] are driving to our neighboring
[20:33] cities and they don't really
[20:36] care if they're in walnut creek
[20:36] or pleasant hill or concord.
[20:37] >> they want a similar charging
[20:38] experience.
[20:40] So that is something that we
[20:43] try to coordinate with cool.
[20:44] >> cool.
[20:44] Well thank you so much
[20:47] commissioner guerrero.
[20:47] >> thank you.
[20:50] Good presentation.
[20:51] Just a couple of questions.
[20:52] Of the $250,000 that we spend
[20:55] annually, how much of that is
[20:55] to pay electricity?
[20:59] >> so I believe I have it
[20:59] written down.
[21:02] I think t's 155,000.
[21:02] >> yes.
[21:02] Okay.
[21:03] And that comes out of the city
[21:06] budget to to pay that.
[21:07] >> yeah.
[21:07] So right now it's just all
[21:10] general funding that 200
[21:10] 50,000.
[21:13] >> and do any of these charges
[21:14] ation support solar power in
[21:15] order to offset that or is that
[21:18] something in consideration?
[21:20] >> the only one that's out of
[21:21] facility with solar is city
[21:25] hall which we currently are not
[21:28] monitoring.
[21:29] That's that's a whole nother
[21:32] challenge that the solar panels
[21:33] on city hall are.
[21:33] They are operational but we
[21:34] also need better data tracking
[21:36] on those.
[21:37] But es, ideally I would say
[21:40] that that is setting it off
[21:41] offsetting it a bit.
[21:41] I'm not sure if we've thought
[21:44] about putting solar and in
[21:45] other facilities but I'm glad
[21:47] you said that.
[21:50] 17 yes.
[21:54] So ideally the chargers would
[21:55] be on their own meter which
[21:56] could still interact with the
[21:59] solar on the building but you
[22:02] can get an ev charger
[22:03] electricity rate from mce or
[22:06] energy provider that's more
[22:07] favorable to the type of
[22:07] charging for that.
[22:11] Some of ours are networked on
[22:11] their own meter and some f
[22:14] them are not so that would be a
[22:15] goal over time to is to get
[22:18] them on their own meter but
[22:18] probably wouldn't happen
[22:22] necessarily for all of them
[22:22] before.
[22:23] >> okay.
[22:23] Would like to implement this.
[22:25] So I assume a lot of this
[22:26] information was developed by
[22:29] from from black and veatch.
[22:30] >> yes.
[22:30] yes.
[22:32] So we worked with them that was
[22:33] our consultant on this plan.
[22:34] >> and do they have more data
[22:37] as to what ryan was saying as
[22:38] far as other cities have been
[22:40] successful as far as you know
[22:41] how to go about implementing
[22:41] it?
[22:43] And I guess to follow that, you
[22:47] know, is solar powered you know
[22:48] charging stations that that
[22:51] support the infrastructure, is
[22:52] that something they recommend?
[22:53] >> I'm just kind of curious of
[22:55] that piece that wasn't
[22:56] something that came up in the
[22:56] analysis or something hat
[22:59] we've seen directly from other
[23:00] cities.
[23:03] I think even if the electricity
[23:03] that the chargers were using
[23:07] was fully offset by the solar
[23:07] power or some other
[23:08] alternative, you would still
[23:11] have the maintenance costs and
[23:11] the networking cost.
[23:12] So there are still costs but
[23:13] obviously electricity is it's
[23:16] more than half of the rate
[23:16] we're paying now.
[23:19] But you would we would still
[23:19] see hose maintenance
[23:20] challenges nd those sorts of
[23:21] things where a third party
[23:23] could help address that.
[23:23] >> got it.
[23:24] And then what's what's the
[23:27] difference between the the lots
[23:32] that like tesla runs where you
[23:32] see all the tesla chargers like
[23:36] the jam or you know across from
[23:36] other farms and he's put those
[23:38] in now.
[23:39] Like are we benefiting?
[23:42] Are we profiting at all from
[23:46] from any of those private ones
[23:46] .
[23:47] >> so none of those are on city
[23:47] property.
[23:48] so they're they're all managed
[23:50] privately.
[23:55] >> we did look at models to you
[23:55] know, potentially lease city
[23:56] spaces which is something that
[23:58] some other cities do and then
[23:59] the the third party can do 100%
[24:02] of that but that would e I
[24:03] think we were looking at how do
[24:06] we solve the problem now in the
[24:07] short term with the charters
[24:09] that we have and from our
[24:10] analysis, you know
[24:12] transitioning that to the third
[24:12] party is what makes sense
[24:16] because someone who would come
[24:16] in at least a spot they don't
[24:19] want to buy our old
[24:19] infrastructure or work with our
[24:20] aging chargers.
[24:23] So when we go back to looking
[24:24] at expanding, that's something
[24:27] that we'll keep on the table to
[24:27] consider.
[24:28] But I think in the short term
[24:30] that's not something that is
[24:31] likely to solve the issues that
[24:32] we're having.
[24:32] >> okay.
[24:35] I just have one last thing.
[24:36] Could you show me the or you
[24:38] talked about the different the
[24:42] customer and the network and
[24:43] the little map that show like
[24:43] who deals?
[24:43] >> yeah.
[24:46] So right now how is how is that
[24:47] manage these pieces right here?
[24:51] Like who actually does that for
[24:52] for us?
[24:53] >> yes I'll bring you up for
[24:53] that one.
[24:54] >> so I just want to understand
[24:57] a little bit can just as much
[25:01] color.
[25:01] Good evening.
[25:02] Gina eicher public works
[25:02] manager.
[25:04] So currently right now we ave
[25:05] some of our signal technicians
[25:09] who are not ev experts but they
[25:12] are able to go out there and
[25:13] make repairs to our ev
[25:16] infrastructure for the phone
[25:17] calls, go to our traffic
[25:20] operation center which really
[25:21] only monitors their in the
[25:21] field most of the day.
[25:25] So they don't even get the
[25:25] calls until the end of the day.
[25:26] Then they're able to kind of go
[25:29] through their you know, their
[25:29] voicemail is the following day
[25:30] they MAY be able to go out and
[25:33] take a look at it 90% of the
[25:33] time.
[25:36] Right now we do not have the
[25:36] infrastructure in place that
[25:40] allows us to make repairs.
[25:43] So the way that the chargers
[25:44] were originally set up is that
[25:47] they used to be modular.
[25:48] That's not really the case so
[25:49] much anymore with the current
[25:49] vendors.
[25:52] One of the current vendors that
[25:52] we have we have to replace an
[25:55] entire system every time that
[25:55] we have a charger go down.
[25:59] So and a lot of that has to do
[26:00] with just the way that we had
[26:02] it the existing contract is so
[26:03] there's quite a bit that we can
[26:06] do to improve that experience
[26:07] and to allow for people to have
[26:10] easier access to the charging
[26:10] systems.
[26:11] >> good.
[26:14] So this is outside or third
[26:15] party would definitely relieve
[26:16] a lot of the stress of this.
[26:18] >> yeah we have to make do
[26:19] contract every single time
[26:19] something happens.
[26:22] So we end up going through and
[26:22] whether they get damaged or
[26:25] it's something that just
[26:26] because of the time in them we
[26:27] end up having to do individual
[26:30] contracts to get these repaired
[26:31] and so that takes time and it's
[26:31] own too.
[26:33] >> sure.
[26:34] >> okay.
[26:34] Thank you.
[26:35] That's all I have.
[26:35] Thank you.
[26:35] Thank you.
[26:39] Vice chair patch.
[26:43] >> the nice thing about going
[26:44] after other people have is that
[26:45] a lot of my questions were
[26:49] already answered.
[26:50] >> so a couple that I do that
[26:53] we haven't talked about do we
[26:57] have a plan in place to replace
[26:57] the old ones already?
[27:00] I know you said you're not
[27:01] looking at expanding the
[27:01] locations right now but if
[27:04] they're already failing are we
[27:08] looking at replacing the ten
[27:11] plus old ten year plus old ones
[27:12] ?
[27:12] >> yeah.
[27:13] So we are sort of was just
[27:15] talking about you know when we
[27:16] get to the oint of need to
[27:19] repair them especially now that
[27:20] the modular model is kind of
[27:20] going away with some of the
[27:22] brands we are looking at when
[27:23] it makes sense to take them out
[27:26] entirely and replace with a
[27:26] company that maybe we've had a
[27:27] better experience with and we
[27:31] have replaced some I believe
[27:32] the ones at the library got the
[27:34] if you see the blink model
[27:35] chargers those are the newer
[27:35] ones that we've worked with.
[27:39] So this thing we're doing over
[27:39] time and that's coming out of
[27:42] the general fund still right
[27:42] now.
[27:42] All right.
[27:45] And kind of similar to the
[27:46] tesla question but not
[27:46] specifically tesla.
[27:50] >> have you thought of any
[27:50] corporate sponsorships that
[27:53] like they are sponsoring
[27:57] specific charging ports and
[27:58] they might be in charge of the
[28:01] maintenance?
[28:02] I'm my understanding where the
[28:05] market is now on that is that
[28:06] those in the esla this is true
[28:07] for those are generally the dc
[28:09] fast chargers which we didn't
[28:10] really talk about charging
[28:13] levels in the presentation but
[28:14] just for full background you
[28:14] know there's like a level one
[28:16] which is plugging in at home
[28:17] into a regular plug there's
[28:18] level two which is what we
[28:18] have.
[28:21] It's sort of an in-between
[28:23] energy level and then there's
[28:24] level three or dc fast and so
[28:25] those are we didn't really cost
[28:28] more per kilowatt hour because
[28:29] they're they're you know,
[28:31] expending energy much more
[28:32] quickly.
[28:33] And so my understanding for the
[28:35] market is right ow there's a
[28:36] lot of though that sort of
[28:39] model is that dc fast charger
[28:40] kind of more charging hub folks
[28:42] coming in and out within like
[28:42] 45 minute increments.
[28:46] And so the folks aren't that
[28:47] companies that are doing that
[28:49] are not looking at the level
[28:50] two that's the service model we
[28:51] have right now.
[28:52] So I think that would kind of
[28:54] be opening a whole a whole
[28:57] nother possibility that would
[28:58] need to be part of that next
[28:58] level of analysis for where
[29:01] might that kind of model make
[29:02] sense for us?
[29:02] >> sure.
[29:04] Okay.
[29:05] And then if we do start
[29:08] charging people for using the
[29:09] chargers and how much of the
[29:12] contract and electricity are
[29:13] you hoping to offset with the
[29:17] charging like are you trying to
[29:20] get to 100% or is it half of it
[29:23] that we're I think we're trying
[29:24] to get to a better place than
[29:30] we're at now because of the
[29:30] lack of sophistication our data
[29:31] tracking right now we we don't
[29:34] really have that understanding.
[29:38] And I think we also we'll have
[29:38] to see ow it affects our
[29:39] customer demand, how much
[29:41] utilization we're having.
[29:46] So we honestly aren't sure what
[29:46] how that's going to level out
[29:47] in the end it will definitely
[29:50] we're not be profiting off of
[29:50] it that's for sure.
[29:50] Right.
[29:51] I think it's still going to be
[29:53] probably subsidized even to
[29:54] some degree but much less than
[29:57] it is now and that's what
[29:57] overtime is.
[29:58] We're going to track the ate
[30:01] especially early on to make
[30:02] sure we're kind of hitting that
[30:02] right mark?
[30:06] So that's a long way o say I'm
[30:06] not sure.
[30:07] >> fair enough.
[30:09] Okay.
[30:16] And then my my last question is
[30:17] ,you know, I don't know how to
[30:18] phrase this actually so I'm
[30:21] going to I'm just going to skip
[30:21] it for now.
[30:24] >> we'll come back to you.
[30:24] >> all right.
[30:25] Thank you.
[30:31] Great presentation,
[30:31] commissioner guerrero.
[30:34] Got my top question.
[30:36] How much of the money was going
[30:38] to electricity?
[30:39] So I'll I'll ask the flip side
[30:41] question.
[30:44] >> so the other approximate
[30:45] $100,000 what would be the
[30:49] biggest buckets on an annual
[30:49] that we're spending on that's
[30:53] not electricity with our
[30:53] current model?
[30:54] >> yeah.
[30:54] The next biggest bucket is the
[30:58] contracts hat I was mentioning
[30:59] with aintenance staff that's
[31:00] about another 60,000.
[31:01] And then the rest is sort of
[31:04] spread across our internal
[31:04] staff time that if we are
[31:07] purchasing the equipment
[31:08] ourselves that's needed to
[31:08] replace it.
[31:12] And then the the limited
[31:13] networking that we do have the
[31:14] fees for that.
[31:15] >> okay, great.
[31:19] So speaking of the data and
[31:23] networking, if you can share
[31:26] briefly what what kind of data
[31:30] elements do we get today?
[31:31] >> what are the ones we don't
[31:32] get that we really want that
[31:34] makes having one of these
[31:40] providers really beneficial?
[31:41] >> right now we do not have a
[31:44] system in place to regularly
[31:45] monitor data so it's sort of
[31:47] like a project to get the data
[31:48] updated and dig in to that.
[31:52] So what we would be able to get
[31:54] with this is more our
[31:55] understanding and we'll find
[31:56] out the details of this when we
[31:58] do the rfp and really
[31:59] understand what the vendors are
[31:59] offering.
[32:02] But our understanding for the
[32:02] research e have now is it's
[32:03] more like a ashboard model
[32:06] where you could regularly check
[32:07] in with days of what times of
[32:09] day are they being with you,
[32:11] how long are folks staying at
[32:13] them?
[32:14] There's also likely the ability
[32:17] to get understanding of repeat
[32:18] customers versus different
[32:18] customers.
[32:22] So all of that would really
[32:22] give us better insight to who
[32:25] is using it and how they're
[32:26] using it and how's that
[32:27] behavior maybe different than
[32:28] some of our other parking
[32:30] customers in those facilities
[32:30] as well?
[32:33] So with the existing free model
[32:37] or if we got one of these
[32:40] companies in place but we were
[32:41] still going with free, how
[32:45] would we identify I like the
[32:46] repeat customers who's using it
[32:48] like what what data if anything
[32:49] do we capture from the people
[32:53] driving up I'm plugging in
[32:54] today.
[32:54] >> yeah.
[32:56] Do you want that part?
[32:56] Yeah, maybe.
[33:00] So the data if we were to try
[33:01] to go we would have to get
[33:03] another ontract in place that
[33:04] would allow for us to better
[33:06] monitor that.
[33:07] It really depends if that's a
[33:11] good answer right now because
[33:11] we really don't know what our
[33:12] options are.
[33:15] So we really looking to kind of
[33:16] when e do when we go out to
[33:18] try to get a third party vendor
[33:19] we're really going to do more
[33:20] of like a request for
[33:22] qualifications and have them
[33:23] tell us hat it is that e're
[33:26] missing out on because we don't
[33:27] right now we don't know what we
[33:27] don't know.
[33:27] >> right.
[33:30] Because I think if we go to a
[33:31] fee model we're going to get
[33:34] credit card numbers and we'll
[33:37] know we'll know who's using
[33:37] system.
[33:37] >> right.
[33:38] So it wouldn't necessarily be
[33:39] with credit card numbers.
[33:41] i think that they actually
[33:42] users have to have like a sign
[33:45] on it like oh like an app like
[33:45] an app that they utilize so
[33:46] they don't do with credit cards
[33:49] because we don't there's a
[33:52] whole compliance thing with pci
[33:52] .
[33:53] Yeah, exactly with it.
[33:53] Thank you.
[33:56] So there is an entire pci that
[33:57] we model that they have to
[33:57] follow and that's all part of
[33:58] the process that we would have
[34:00] to go through.
[34:00] We would be getting way more in
[34:04] the details if I started to
[34:04] explain the fact that sometimes
[34:08] the vendor is not even involved
[34:08] in that.
[34:09] So it is just a totally
[34:12] different option but we don't
[34:13] know what we don't know right
[34:13] now and so we're really looking
[34:16] to see what kind of models are
[34:17] possibly out there and that
[34:19] would allow us by going out you
[34:20] know, to search out at third
[34:23] party vendor we would be able
[34:24] to see what the options are and
[34:27] maybe they could provide us
[34:27] information even with what we
[34:28] currently have.
[34:30] But we won't know that until we
[34:31] go out.
[34:34] So here's a question and this
[34:35] is a question I think that
[34:38] would be is a pass through
[34:38] question.
[34:39] >> and I think when ou're
[34:41] asking vendors would any one of
[34:42] these vendors have the ability
[34:45] to wait for it have a discount
[34:49] free pricing kind of like a
[34:50] validation model.
[34:51] So if someone comes just to
[34:53] charge they would spend a
[34:57] little more er kilowatt hour
[34:58] but if they came to charge but
[35:01] added at original joe's or one
[35:04] of our other restaurants maybe
[35:05] they get it for a half price or
[35:06] free.
[35:06] It'd be an interesting to ask
[35:08] the vendors if anybody could do
[35:09] that now.
[35:09] >> excellent question.
[35:13] Well will pass that question
[35:13] along because we're going to
[35:14] give people free electricity.
[35:16] >> it might be nice to get them
[35:17] to spend money downtown, right?
[35:19] Yes or in the other locations.
[35:23] >> correct.
[35:24] >> I think you've already
[35:26] answered this question.
[35:27] I was going to ask if our
[35:28] chargers today are all the same
[35:31] vendor and model they are not.
[35:32] >> we actually have two vendors
[35:32] that we're utilizing right now
[35:34] and if we went to one of these
[35:38] newer vendors would we would we
[35:39] wholesale replace out all these
[35:39] chargers?
[35:40] >> not necessarily and that is
[35:42] not our intent.
[35:43] Our intent is to utilize the
[35:43] existing infrastructure and
[35:46] have them be able to work on
[35:46] the oldest infrastructure you
[35:50] know, as it's needed.
[35:51] We can determine what that
[35:51] looks like.
[35:52] It can be anything from a full
[35:55] replacement to use what we have
[35:55] until it dies.
[35:58] Got it right so we can
[35:59] determine what that looks like.
[36:02] >> and I know in the in the the
[36:06] letter or memo e received as a
[36:09] part of our packet it talked
[36:10] about if we did it internally
[36:13] we would need to sound like I
[36:14] said one full time person.
[36:17] >> yes and even then one full
[36:18] time person wouldn't be able to
[36:20] offer 24 seven service for
[36:23] repairs and or you know
[36:24] necessarily being able to get
[36:27] you know, chargers running up
[36:28] and running again.
[36:28] You know, we won't have an
[36:31] inventory on hand to quickly
[36:32] swap things out as when you
[36:36] have a vendor an on hand they
[36:36] have those options.
[36:37] >> okay.
[36:39] So it sounds like something is
[36:40] more valuable beneficial to
[36:43] outsource then I always hate to
[36:46] see jobs outsourced of the city
[36:46] .
[36:47] >> I think that that is our
[36:48] recommendation is to look at
[36:49] the third party vendor.
[36:50] Got it.
[36:55] Those are all my questions.
[36:55] >> vice chair patch did you
[36:56] your question.
[36:58] I've got two what I needed
[36:59] around the data so we're good.
[36:59] >> okay.
[37:01] Awesome.
[37:02] >> all right.
[37:02] Any any further questions from
[37:03] any of the commissioners?
[37:06] I had one other question
[37:06] actually.
[37:07] Um, I don't know if you saw
[37:09] this if I missed it, but did
[37:10] you say what the cost per
[37:11] charger is for like to replace
[37:15] one or to put one in writing it
[37:19] back up like average?
[37:20] >> I know there's a bunch of
[37:21] different ones too, but yeah,
[37:22] there are a lot currently we're
[37:26] seeing anywhere from 11,000 to
[37:26] 15,000.
[37:27] >> it's a lot of money.
[37:30] Yeah it is a lot of money and
[37:33] if you do like a bunch in a row
[37:34] does it get a little bit
[37:34] cheaper because the
[37:35] infrastructure is kind of you
[37:37] know so it depends on which
[37:38] company we're talking about too
[37:41] right now because like I said
[37:41] there is one of our vendors is
[37:44] allowing for some modular
[37:45] upgrades and updates.
[37:48] Another one if there's a hose
[37:51] that's broken, they want the
[37:52] entire head replaced.
[37:55] >> and so whereas before you
[37:59] know and the model or one of
[37:59] the vendors is drastically
[38:02] changed from when we originally
[38:03] went with them.
[38:04] So that's kind of the other
[38:06] thing that's pushing us to move
[38:07] to a third party vendor that
[38:10] can help us better manage this.
[38:11] >> yeah.
[38:11] Cool.
[38:14] Thank you.
[38:15] >> I do have ne more question.
[38:16] I'm sorry.
[38:18] So originally we put these in
[38:18] 2017.
[38:22] We don't charge for them.
[38:23] There must have been a plan or
[38:26] some kind of idea of of wire
[38:27] you know what we were going to
[38:27] do with these.
[38:29] So my question is more like if
[38:33] these are level two and they
[38:37] don't charge very fast and then
[38:37] we charge charging a fee what's
[38:41] what's the incentive?
[38:42] I don't have any v so I don't
[38:42] know if I can answer this.
[38:45] I'm asking what's the incentive
[38:48] to use a level two that's not
[38:48] as fast and now they ave to
[38:52] pay a fee for it.
[38:53] >> and will they?
[38:53] Yes.
[38:56] So the intent when they were
[38:56] first put in and you also think
[38:57] you know ten years ago the ev
[39:00] market was in a very different
[39:00] place and so it really was we
[39:04] won't charge a fee now the goal
[39:04] of this is to try and encourage
[39:05] folks to transition their
[39:08] vehicles and free is better
[39:08] than than a fee.
[39:08] Right.
[39:09] and now there are so many more
[39:11] chargers available and
[39:12] different charging models and
[39:15] benefits from mce if you charge
[39:15] at home you can sign up for a
[39:16] special app that is just for
[39:16] that.
[39:18] >> there's a lot more options
[39:21] out there and so from a
[39:22] convenience versus charging
[39:25] perspective customers have more
[39:26] distinction there.
[39:29] So I think the goal with
[39:32] charging a fee is really to
[39:33] make sure it's a sustainable
[39:34] system that is providing the
[39:36] quality customer experience.
[39:37] I think another benefit that
[39:41] we've we believe we will find
[39:41] from our analysis is that it
[39:45] will target more of the folks
[39:46] who really need those chargers
[39:46] who aren't ble to charge at
[39:49] home who aren't able to charge
[39:49] at work.
[39:53] Our feedback so far from folks
[39:53] has been oh if you charge you
[39:56] know at ind of this level I'll
[39:56] probably charge at home.
[39:57] You know it takes that
[40:00] convenience out.
[40:01] It's going to cost a similar
[40:02] amount but it's really for the
[40:05] folks who you know, live in an
[40:05] older apartment or don't have
[40:08] onsite parking for whatever
[40:09] reason they're not able to
[40:12] charge at home or they're
[40:12] already accessing our
[40:13] facilities and it's something
[40:16] that you know, can be a benefit
[40:16] for them when they're there.
[40:18] Maybe it's convenient.
[40:18] >> okay.
[40:19] Mm hmm.
[40:23] Vice chair anything?
[40:26] So I did have one more
[40:26] question.
[40:29] >> I appreciate the engagement
[40:29] .
[40:30] say, you know we care.
[40:33] You know when you buy solar
[40:36] panels for your house now you
[40:37] can also, you know, essentially
[40:38] lease some and put no money
[40:41] down and it's like power
[40:42] purchase program.
[40:42] >> hmm.
[40:45] Do any of these vendors just
[40:45] out f curiosity have a model
[40:48] where we don't have to do the
[40:49] capital investment?
[40:52] It's it's their chargers.
[40:55] They do everything full service
[40:56] package we pay x customer pays
[40:59] y and hopefully we can break
[41:00] even.
[41:03] >> the model is more we lease
[41:03] the parking space to them and
[41:07] then it's their infrastructure
[41:07] .
[41:08] >> they set the rate.
[41:08] There's there are some
[41:12] parameters you can put around
[41:13] it but that that's a bit more
[41:14] what that would be and so it
[41:15] wouldn't be necessarily our
[41:16] parking fee.
[41:17] It would be their their fee on
[41:19] their space that they're
[41:20] leasing from us.
[41:20] Okay.
[41:21] So that's what we see in some
[41:23] other cities.
[41:26] Do I I'm I'm not personally
[41:27] aware of though this might be
[41:28] out there like that gets more
[41:30] complicated when it's inside
[41:31] our garage right where we're
[41:31] charging it so that works
[41:33] better at a surface like but
[41:34] yeah that's more the model
[41:34] we've seen for that there re
[41:37] some providers who do that.
[41:38] Okay, great.
[41:38] Thank you.
[41:39] All right then I think we've
[41:41] concluded commissioner
[41:41] questions.
[41:42] So for the record I have to ask
[41:45] if there's anyone in the public
[41:46] who would like to address the
[41:48] commission on this topic.
[41:49] >> we have no members of the
[41:52] public wishing to provide
[41:53] public comment.
[41:53] >> thank you, MR. Secretary.
[41:57] Then we'll close public comment
[41:58] and we will move on to
[42:00] commissioner comments.
[42:01] Let's go.
[42:04] Reversal here.
[42:08] >> how about vice chair patch?
[42:09] Thank you for this
[42:09] presentation.
[42:09] It's great.
[42:12] I actually just recently went
[42:13] to london and I was going to
[42:16] reach out to you because I saw
[42:17] some cool things around ev
[42:17] chargers and then I saw this
[42:18] was on the agenda.
[42:20] I was like oh I can tweet now.
[42:23] So that's kind of cool.
[42:24] >> one of the things that I saw
[42:27] in london is they have shell
[42:31] charging units attached to
[42:34] telephone poles and street
[42:35] lights.
[42:38] So the city that like basically
[42:42] leases the street lights to
[42:43] shell and shell charges but
[42:44] like they're responsible for
[42:46] the maintenance and stuff and
[42:47] so that's why I asked about
[42:49] corporate sponsorships.
[42:50] I know you're ot looking to
[42:51] expand but that might be
[42:54] something to start thinking
[42:54] about and considering and as
[42:55] -
[42:57] you're looking for a third
[43:00] party vendor I would definitely
[43:02] ask them or include in their
[43:05] qualification portion what
[43:09] their creative solutions are to
[43:09] this issue.
[43:10] Right.
[43:10] Because as you said, you know,
[43:13] we have 40 ports but we have
[43:16] goals of installing a lot more
[43:17] than that.
[43:20] >> so knowing not just how
[43:21] we're maintaining it now but
[43:24] how the expansion is going to
[43:25] work would be really important.
[43:28] I have found as you change
[43:29] vendors that that can be
[43:31] complicated.
[43:32] So if we could find a vendor
[43:33] that actually works with the
[43:35] growth plan as well as the
[43:36] maintenance plan that would be
[43:39] really important.
[43:42] And also on the data front I
[43:43] would be really curious if they
[43:47] can tell us which of our
[43:47] locations are full most of the
[43:50] time so that maybe that's an
[43:51] indicator that there needs to
[43:54] be more chargers there or a
[43:57] higher priority on maintaining
[44:00] those chargers versus like if
[44:01] the other areas are not used as
[44:08] much and I as a person who
[44:09] lives in multi-family complex
[44:12] who cannot install a charger I
[44:12] understand the importance of
[44:16] this publicly available
[44:16] chargers.
[44:19] >> I do think it's reasonable
[44:19] to start charging for them
[44:23] especially if it's a nominal
[44:24] amount that kind of just covers
[44:28] the electricity or a portion of
[44:28] the maintenance coverage.
[44:32] I think that as we move forward
[44:33] the communication on that and
[44:35] why we're charging instead of
[44:39] free is going to be make it
[44:40] making sure that we communicate
[44:40] on that will make sure that
[44:43] it's accessible and hopefully
[44:46] will address some of the user
[44:47] conflict that you're
[44:50] experiencing at places that
[44:51] shouldn't be charging just for
[44:54] charging purposes right?
[44:58] I would also look at if the
[45:02] vendor can have a robust plan
[45:06] for replacing the old ones it's
[45:07] really disappointing to hear
[45:10] that they're not module there
[45:10] anymore.
[45:11] That's just me from a
[45:14] sustainability perspective
[45:15] really irritating to me like
[45:18] why are we wasting materials
[45:19] instead of just replacing the
[45:22] thing that is broken and and
[45:23] understand that that comes from
[45:24] the charger vendor itself and
[45:26] not the person or the company
[45:27] that's going to maintain them
[45:30] but if they have those
[45:30] relationships or they have
[45:33] insights in how we can not have
[45:36] to create waste as we're
[45:37] replacing old chargers that
[45:40] would be great to hear.
[45:44] And a lot of my comments are
[45:45] just about the expansion which
[45:47] you're not focusing on but also
[45:52] I love that we're doing this so
[45:52] I'll probably just send you an
[45:55] email about ideas that I have
[45:59] for expanding our ev chargers
[46:00] in general so that we stay on
[46:02] topic here.
[46:07] >> >> commissioner guerrero.
[46:08] No further comments.
[46:08] Thank you.
[46:09] Was good presentation
[46:11] commissioner mcmahon.
[46:11] >> oh yeah.
[46:14] This was a really good
[46:15] presentation and I really love
[46:15] that we're focused on
[46:17] sustainability for this and I
[46:18] think electric cars are just
[46:19] going to continue to get more
[46:22] popular, more popular as gas
[46:23] prices go up and all this other
[46:23] stuff is going on and as the
[46:26] car prices et as the electric
[46:27] car prices get cheaper, more
[46:28] people are going to be buying
[46:30] them.
[46:31] So I think it's definitely
[46:33] something we should focus on.
[46:34] i totally agree and just some
[46:37] of the comments and what he
[46:38] agenda said that you know,
[46:38] having people pay for it will
[46:41] make it more sustainable.
[46:42] We can keep up these chargers.
[46:45] They can have more uptime.
[46:45] They can be safer too.
[46:46] That's something we actually
[46:49] didn't really talk about today.
[46:50] But I know like six months ago
[46:52] there was a fire in one of the
[46:53] garages and you know that
[46:53] caused a big issue too.
[46:56] So you know, like having money
[46:56] coming in ensures that these
[46:59] are all safe and you know,
[46:59] protecting the cars and
[47:03] protecting the people using the
[47:03] garages.
[47:06] I would say like we should try
[47:07] to gather as much data as we
[47:07] can and use the money that we
[47:10] do make from this or that
[47:10] data.
[47:13] And I second what my other
[47:14] commissioner said in terms of
[47:14] communicating that to the
[47:17] public in terms of like you
[47:21] know, we want to we're charging
[47:22] but we're we're going to use
[47:23] this money to make the chargers
[47:23] better.
[47:24] We're going to put them in
[47:25] places where people need them
[47:26] and it's not something that the
[47:27] city is trying to make money
[47:29] off of and it does seem like
[47:32] the most efficient way would to
[47:33] be hire hired a private company
[47:34] to do this like they're the
[47:36] experts at it.
[47:37] They know what they're doing.
[47:39] So that's would be my
[47:40] recommendation for that.
[47:43] >> so thank you so much.
[47:46] Thank you.
[47:50] Good presentation.
[47:51] Looks like we have pretty good
[47:55] growth of ev chargers across
[47:58] the city mostly you know the
[47:59] commercial chargers see the
[48:02] tesla ones popping up a lot.
[48:03] So I don't have a lot of
[48:03] comments.
[48:10] I know we're trying to I know a
[48:11] part of doing the free was
[48:14] trying to help people who are
[48:14] in the lower income brackets as
[48:15] another part and I don't know
[48:18] if there's a possibility to
[48:18] income qualify for ree
[48:21] charging while having fees for
[48:25] the that you know the more of
[48:26] the masses you know I think
[48:29] unfortunately the hard thing
[48:29] for the people you might want
[48:33] to attract with the free
[48:37] charging the biggest barrier is
[48:37] really not the charging fee
[48:38] it's the cost of getting the
[48:40] the ev itself.
[48:41] Those are you know and even to
[48:42] get a new gasoline car for
[48:45] somebody is expensive these
[48:45] days.
[48:48] But I think this is great I
[48:52] would just offer up we're here
[48:53] if you're interested when you
[48:53] get to the stage of you've
[48:53] -
[48:55] picked like your top 2 or 3
[48:56] vendors and have different
[48:59] models.
[49:00] I'm sure my fellow
[49:04] commissioners would love to
[49:04] kind of see the options and
[49:08] give input and ask questions
[49:08] before you pick that.
[49:11] I don't certainly not a
[49:12] requirement but it's a we're
[49:14] here if you want us.
[49:19] So that being said I thought oh
[49:19] we have another comment.
[49:23] >> vice chair of hatch our
[49:26] chair inspired me potential
[49:26] lee.
[49:27] >> I'd be curious to know if
[49:28] there was like a monthly
[49:31] program instead of a per usage
[49:33] charge rate like you purchase
[49:38] into this number of credits for
[49:39] the month and you get to use
[49:39] one of the chargers.
[49:42] I've no idea if that would work
[49:42] and that would obviously depend
[49:45] on what vendor you go for but
[49:46] it might be a way to offset
[49:49] some of what my fellow
[49:52] commissioner was suggesting on
[49:56] lower income individuals.
[49:57] So I think the purpose of
[49:58] tonight's session was just to
[50:00] give feedback.
[50:01] >> so I don't think there's any
[50:02] motions required for this one.
[50:05] So we will close this topic.
[50:08] >> you just wanted to hate your
[50:08] gavel.
[50:09] >> I just wanted to yeah, it's
[50:10] you know, it's very satisfying
[50:15] and just wait till next year
[50:16] you'll get to feel the
[50:21] satisfaction action.
[50:22] >> all right.
[50:24] Moving on to our second
[50:27] consideration item item b
[50:30] update on bike to wherever day
[50:31] 2026 while the brief update on
[50:31] the bike o wherever day events
[50:34] at broadway annual nd civic
[50:35] park.
[50:38] >> so we're ready for staff
[50:38] presentation.
[50:42] Thank you MR. Chair.
[50:42] Good evening commissioners.
[50:43] My name is henry rude
[50:44] transportation planner for
[50:45] public works.
[50:46] Tonight I'm going to be giving
[50:47] you a quick update on the
[50:50] activities that the traffic
[50:50] engineering division organized
[50:51] for bike tour every day that
[50:54] was last thursday as part of
[50:55] our larger bike month effort
[50:59] for 2026.
[51:00] >> so to begin with our morning
[51:01] location this is the energizer
[51:04] station that we've been hosting
[51:05] at the city.
[51:07] But for the covid interruption
[51:07] for about ten years this was
[51:10] until last year hosted in front
[51:11] of city hall last year and this
[51:15] year we moved it to broadway in
[51:15] newark at the crossing of the
[51:16] iron horse trail.
[51:18] This is an area where we have a
[51:19] larger roadway improvements
[51:22] project underway so this is
[51:23] also a chance to do outreach
[51:26] with people directly on site
[51:26] and additionally just being
[51:27] closer to the trail is a much
[51:30] better way to get cyclists on
[51:30] their way to different places.
[51:33] So like last year we had
[51:34] significantly higher numbers of
[51:37] cyclists come by than the city
[51:38] hall location.
[51:40] We had to about 200 this year.
[51:43] There were some concerns about
[51:44] rdundancy with the bike walk
[51:45] walnut creek location also on
[51:47] the trail pretty close by but
[51:48] there didn't seem to be any
[51:48] issues.
[51:50] Many cyclists are happy to
[51:51] visit many or even all of the
[51:55] energizer stations and you
[51:55] know, we all offer slightly
[51:59] different things so it worked
[51:59] out pretty well.
[52:00] It also that morning allowed us
[52:03] to advertise as our evening
[52:04] afternoon event in civic park
[52:07] which is what most of this
[52:08] presentation will be about
[52:10] because it was a big change.
[52:11] So you an see here a picture
[52:15] it's called the bike rodeo.
[52:19] So this is a almost like a
[52:19] festival in civic park.
[52:22] So compared to the morning
[52:23] energizer station which is just
[52:23] sustainability and traffic
[52:26] engineering hosting like one
[52:26] table each.
[52:29] This was a much, much larger
[52:30] undertaking.
[52:30] We had partnerships with local
[52:31] vendors.
[52:34] We had an obstacle course for
[52:34] cyclists.
[52:35] We had information booths for
[52:37] many more city departments and
[52:38] some local organizations.
[52:42] So just to give you a sense of
[52:42] the scale, this is a map of the
[52:43] event.
[52:44] If you know the civic park
[52:46] layout, that bottom left corner
[52:47] is the bridge into the parking
[52:49] lot.
[52:50] So you can see we had many
[52:51] booths in that kind of cul de
[52:53] sac central area stretching up
[52:54] the path.
[52:54] And then the larger obstacle
[53:00] course by carmel drive.
[53:00] So there's a picture of the
[53:01] obstacle course you can see
[53:04] there it's a chance for kids to
[53:04] kind of practice biking in a
[53:05] safe environment.
[53:07] They can learn about safety
[53:08] practices and improve their
[53:11] maneuvering just kind of get
[53:12] generally more comfortable on
[53:13] the seat of their bike driving
[53:16] on the road, biking on the road
[53:19] and you know, if they can
[53:20] complete the obstacle course
[53:20] they can feel more confident
[53:22] about themselves and be better
[53:23] prepared to handle different
[53:26] aspects of cycling.
[53:30] >> so this as what your extra
[53:30] special attachment was?
[53:33] Our pedal passport the traffic
[53:34] engineering booth provided
[53:37] these to anyone who wanted one.
[53:40] The idea is hat each page has
[53:41] a place where you can get
[53:42] stamped by ne of the
[53:44] information booths.
[53:45] So if you go around and visit
[53:48] everything at the festival you
[53:49] can come back and get a $5 gift
[53:52] card which is not a huge prize
[53:55] but if you're a young child $5
[53:56] at target goes a long way.
[54:00] And we did have great uptick on
[54:03] this target donated us $250 so
[54:07] $55 gift cards and we use them
[54:09] all and in fact we had one
[54:10] unfortunately one additional
[54:11] person who came after we'd run
[54:14] out but they were very
[54:14] understanding luckily and we
[54:18] also had a polaroid camera so
[54:19] you'd see on that first page of
[54:22] the passport there's a spot for
[54:23] a photo so people could
[54:23] directly staple those on and
[54:26] kind of make it more like a
[54:26] real passport, a little
[54:27] souvenir.
[54:27] The parents definitely seemed
[54:29] to love it.
[54:30] A lot of the kids were excited
[54:31] to get their picture taken.
[54:33] You can see in the back of that
[54:34] photo there there's kind of a
[54:35] billowing like yellow orange
[54:37] curtain.
[54:38] That was a little photo booth
[54:39] that we had if you wanted to
[54:41] really do it p properly, a lot
[54:42] of people just wanted a photo
[54:43] right with their bike at the
[54:43] station.
[54:44] But I'd say about half
[54:48] appreciated the photo booth so
[54:51] newly this year we had a much
[54:52] larger collaboration with the
[54:53] kind of outside agencies and
[54:55] vendors.
[54:56] So in addition to the city
[54:57] staff departments and
[55:00] sustainability who was right
[55:00] here police clean water arts
[55:04] and recreation, open space and
[55:04] of course public works with
[55:05] traffic engineering.
[55:08] We also had a booth for bike
[55:09] walk walnut creek which is a
[55:11] local kind of pedestrian
[55:12] bicycle advocacy organization.
[55:15] we also had vendors show up.
[55:19] This was soul house matcha in
[55:19] their debut appearance jp
[55:22] design jewelry, chick-fil-a and
[55:23] target.
[55:23] Some of these were doing
[55:26] giveaways and donations.
[55:27] Others were selling but they
[55:28] definitely helped add to the
[55:30] atmosphere and provide more
[55:31] activities and options for
[55:34] people who were attending.
[55:35] >> so overall this event was
[55:38] definitely a huge success.
[55:39] I think we brought a lot of joy
[55:40] to a lot of kids and families
[55:42] we helped you know, dispense a
[55:43] lot of great information about
[55:47] biking, walking sustainably in
[55:47] walnut creek.
[55:48] There are some lessons learned
[55:50] that we would want to take
[55:51] forward if e were going to do
[55:51] it again.
[55:54] The children were younger than
[55:54] we expected.
[55:57] It was mostly around 4 to 8
[55:57] years old with their parents.
[56:01] Most e-bike and bicycle safety
[56:01] advocacy is typically targeted
[56:05] more at like kind of 12 to 18
[56:05] like tweens and teenagers who
[56:08] are out biking on their own who
[56:09] might be riding e-bikes in a
[56:12] kind of unsafe speed or fashion
[56:13] so that they can learn best
[56:13] practices.
[56:16] So that had kind of been what
[56:17] we'd expecting which is why we
[56:18] opened at 3:00 after school
[56:19] gets out.
[56:19] -
[56:19] but we saw that it was
[56:20] definitely a much younger
[56:23] demographic who are kind of
[56:24] just learning the basics of
[56:24] cycling, doing practice
[56:27] sometimes with training wheels.
[56:30] And that also meant that they
[56:33] the spike in attendance was
[56:34] after 5:00 when their parents
[56:34] could take them directly after
[56:36] work.
[56:37] We also learned that rodeo is
[56:40] not a great fit for walnut
[56:40] creek.
[56:41] People thought it was some kind
[56:44] of a hoedown or something.
[56:45] It's it's not really the kind
[56:47] of place we are.
[56:49] So if we were going to o it
[56:49] again we would probably choose
[56:52] a name that's a little bit less
[56:55] home on the range.
[56:56] We would also probably want to
[56:56] -
[56:56] increase staffing.
[56:59] We had enough to make it work
[57:00] but it was more strained than
[57:00] we typically like to plan for.
[57:03] That's just something where you
[57:04] have to kind of do it and see
[57:04] how it goes.
[57:07] So now we know we could also
[57:07] revise certain passport
[57:10] exercises like the mad libs
[57:10] one.
[57:11] We had our traffic engineering
[57:14] booth supervising and stamping
[57:14] that and managing handing out
[57:15] the passports and redeeming
[57:18] them and it could lead to lead
[57:19] to some, you know, holdups and
[57:22] delays and we would also have
[57:26] more trash facilities nd staff
[57:26] also just something you kind of
[57:29] have to try and see how it goes
[57:29] .
[57:30] We are considering also adding
[57:33] something to the passport about
[57:34] trash pickup so that the
[57:35] attendees have an incentive to
[57:37] participate and help out.
[57:38] >> especially for kids it's a
[57:39] great way to teach them
[57:41] sustainable practices.
[57:42] >> o I just want to give a
[57:45] special thanks to a lot of the
[57:46] organizations that helped us
[57:46] out.
[57:47] street sweeping parking
[57:49] enforcement and traffic
[57:50] maintenance were crucial to
[57:51] clearing out the area, making
[57:54] sure that everything was clean
[57:54] and ready to go helping us set
[57:55] up.
[57:57] Really coffee donated us a
[57:57] giant pitcher of cold brew.
[57:58] So even though they weren't
[57:59] attending their presence was
[58:01] definitely felt.
[58:02] Sports basement and bike link
[58:05] help provided coupons or gift
[58:06] cards that we were allowed to
[58:09] distribute on their behalf and
[58:09] target supplied of course the
[58:10] prize for the pedal passport
[58:12] which was huge.
[58:14] We also had a lot of other city
[58:14] staff who weren't from the
[58:16] specific departments listed who
[58:17] volunteered their time to help
[58:20] us with setup and tear down and
[58:21] we I just wanted to show this
[58:23] picture here of a thank you
[58:27] from one of the attendees.
[58:28] >> so with hat in mind I will
[58:31] open it up to you.
[58:32] We would love to hear your
[58:33] thoughts and insights about how
[58:34] we can make bike month 2027
[58:35] even better.
[58:35] Is there anything else you'd
[58:38] like to see at the rodeo which
[58:39] would probably be under a
[58:42] different name if it happens?
[58:43] And how would you feel about
[58:45] staff focusing our time and
[58:46] resources more on this event
[58:48] and potentially suspending the
[58:49] morning station?
[58:52] Thank you.
[58:53] >> all right, commissioner,
[58:55] question is how about
[59:00] commissioner mcmahon?
[59:01] Yeah, this is an awesome event.
[59:03] I went to one of the tations
[59:03] and it was great just being
[59:06] there.
[59:07] one of my favorite parts of it
[59:08] is the bike to work bags.
[59:10] We always try to get a few
[59:11] every single year so I would
[59:14] say get as many as possible and
[59:15] then I don't know can you guys
[59:18] sell them as well because we
[59:19] would like to buy them honestly
[59:20] because we use them all the
[59:20] time.
[59:22] We lose them all the time and I
[59:23] just I want as many as
[59:23] possible.
[59:26] >> so so a little info about
[59:27] that the bike to work day
[59:30] branded merch is supplied to us
[59:32] by an organization called five
[59:33] on one contra costa.
[59:35] They provide it to everyone
[59:36] hosting an energizer station.
[59:39] It's a fixed amount which is
[59:40] why we always run out of bags
[59:41] so fast so we're not really
[59:44] allowed to sell them either.
[59:44] It's kind of part of the
[59:45] partnership we agree to host an
[59:47] energizer station, be part of
[59:48] their network and in return
[59:51] they help us with some supplies
[59:52] including the bags also like
[59:52] chapstick.
[59:54] So they give us some money to
[59:55] buy snacks and some other
[59:55] things.
[59:59] So we were this year because we
[59:59] had the morning event in the
[1:00:00] evening event we were able to
[1:00:03] double dip so we got twice as
[1:00:03] much stuff to host twice as
[1:00:06] many events but e can't really
[1:00:07] scale up and get more bags on
[1:00:10] our own outside of that much as
[1:00:11] we'd like to because we do
[1:00:12] always run out really fast.
[1:00:14] People love the bags they're
[1:00:14] the best.
[1:00:15] We love them.
[1:00:17] Yeah I definitely agree with
[1:00:18] the change in the name from
[1:00:19] rodeo because I was confused as
[1:00:22] well as a bike rider I'm like
[1:00:22] what's going on with this?
[1:00:23] But yeah I love all the
[1:00:26] pictures and seems like a great
[1:00:27] event and it seems like you did
[1:00:29] a great job.
[1:00:30] I'd love to be considered and
[1:00:33] helping out with the event so
[1:00:34] if you guys need more people
[1:00:35] definitely reach out and let me
[1:00:37] know and I'd love to be there
[1:00:37] next year.
[1:00:38] That's great.
[1:00:38] Thank you.
[1:00:40] Yeah, thank you.
[1:00:41] We have a volunteer
[1:00:44] commissioner guerrero.
[1:00:45] I'll throw my name in to
[1:00:47] volunteer also I would love to
[1:00:48] help out talking about those
[1:00:51] those bags.
[1:00:52] Maybe we can find another
[1:00:53] vendor who can make something
[1:00:55] like it and maybe we could turn
[1:00:55] it into a prize for
[1:00:56] sustainability games talked
[1:00:59] about trash teaching kids I've
[1:01:02] seen that before where you know
[1:01:03] they have a certain amount of
[1:01:04] trash.
[1:01:04] It's not dirty but they get to
[1:01:07] figure out where goes as far as
[1:01:08] recycling and stuff goes.
[1:01:08] And then you talked about
[1:01:11] having older the use so I know
[1:01:14] tomorrow northgate has their
[1:01:15] bike to school day I don't know
[1:01:18] if that's something not just
[1:01:22] them but maybe you coordinated
[1:01:23] with having it on the same day
[1:01:24] one of the high schools or
[1:01:26] middle schools you know are
[1:01:26] biking to school to school day
[1:01:27] maybe in the afternoon they can
[1:01:30] come by after school and they
[1:01:30] can participate are just
[1:01:31] throwing it out there.
[1:01:34] >> yeah, it's something we can
[1:01:34] look into and definitely doing
[1:01:35] direct outreach with the
[1:01:37] schools is a good way to get
[1:01:38] more students to come
[1:01:38] especially those older
[1:01:39] demographics whether or not
[1:01:42] it's on the same bike to school
[1:01:43] day that they have.
[1:01:43] >> yeah but no I think it's
[1:01:44] great.
[1:01:48] Vice chair patch all right.
[1:01:51] I have a couple questions and
[1:01:52] with the morning station versus
[1:01:56] this did you see more of those
[1:01:59] older high school age students
[1:02:00] at the morning station that was
[1:02:00] on the trail?
[1:02:03] We did because los lomas is
[1:02:04] down there.
[1:02:06] A lot of them were in too much
[1:02:07] of a hurry.
[1:02:08] They didn't even want to grab a
[1:02:08] free banana.
[1:02:10] They kind of just ignored us.
[1:02:11] Some of them did stop but it
[1:02:12] was a lot f kind of older
[1:02:15] groups including some of the
[1:02:16] like families with young
[1:02:16] children who we got to
[1:02:18] advertise the evening event to.
[1:02:19] There was still probably more
[1:02:19] of those.
[1:02:23] Yeah, like you know, 10 to 16
[1:02:23] kids in the morning, you know,
[1:02:27] even if a lot of them ignored
[1:02:29] us a lot of them didn't so you
[1:02:30] know we did mention the evening
[1:02:31] event to them where we could
[1:02:34] but it seems like they were not
[1:02:35] enticed.
[1:02:35] >> and do you feel like it was
[1:02:38] about the same level as last
[1:02:41] year at that station as your it
[1:02:42] was similar.
[1:02:43] It was a little less last year
[1:02:45] we had 219 and this ear it was
[1:02:45] 200 but still pretty comparable
[1:02:48] and our old city hall stations
[1:02:49] would get like 100.
[1:02:50] >> so it's way better than that
[1:02:52] great, great.
[1:02:56] >> and and how did you decide
[1:02:57] to have the evening event at
[1:03:00] civic park instead of any other
[1:03:00] location?
[1:03:03] >> civic park it's city owned
[1:03:04] so we have the latitude to do
[1:03:07] things like clear out the
[1:03:08] parking lot for the obstacle
[1:03:10] course, you know, clear out the
[1:03:11] area host all the vendors get
[1:03:15] the setup going earlier we
[1:03:16] wanted something that was close
[1:03:16] at hand because all of our
[1:03:19] staff that is helping out
[1:03:20] needed to be able to get their
[1:03:21] materials over there and back
[1:03:23] in a reasonable time frame.
[1:03:26] We had we used like city
[1:03:27] vehicles like cool cars to help
[1:03:30] transport everything but giving
[1:03:31] people the option to just walk
[1:03:32] back to city hall or like at
[1:03:33] the end of the day to walk to
[1:03:35] bart or whatever it makes it
[1:03:35] much easier for not only our
[1:03:38] dedicated staff but also the
[1:03:38] people volunteering their time
[1:03:39] and it's I don't think we had
[1:03:42] any issues with the venue this
[1:03:43] year really it served our
[1:03:45] purposes very well.
[1:03:46] Great.
[1:03:49] That's awesome to hear and then
[1:03:50] did a few meetings ago we had a
[1:03:54] great presentation on on the
[1:03:54] bike to school.
[1:03:57] It has a special name is that
[1:03:58] what it's called a walk and
[1:03:58] roll program.
[1:03:59] Thank you.
[1:04:01] The walk and roll program did
[1:04:02] you reach out to them about any
[1:04:04] collaboration?
[1:04:08] So the walk and roll program is
[1:04:09] also undertaken by five and one
[1:04:12] contra costa who's the bike
[1:04:13] tour everyday organization.
[1:04:13] >> so we were collaborating
[1:04:16] with them very closely.
[1:04:17] >> you could mention that chiro
[1:04:19] had our station up in the
[1:04:20] trail.
[1:04:20] >> yes.
[1:04:21] Yeah they had a station
[1:04:23] dedicated to that further up on
[1:04:24] the iron horse trail as well.
[1:04:24] >> yeah I figured they had an
[1:04:27] energizer station wasn't sure
[1:04:28] about yeah the evening of it
[1:04:31] and they were the ones who use
[1:04:32] the bike blenders which is why
[1:04:33] we are not allowed to bar them
[1:04:34] there.
[1:04:35] >> okay, that's t for my
[1:04:36] questions.
[1:04:38] Great.
[1:04:43] What now when you had the
[1:04:44] people showing up at the
[1:04:46] station I'm running station the
[1:04:47] morning station.
[1:04:49] We're gathering feedback from
[1:04:49] them.
[1:04:50] Right or we're getting
[1:04:53] questions were there any
[1:04:54] thematic questions or comments
[1:04:57] from the 200 folks?
[1:04:58] You know that trail crossing is
[1:05:00] pretty hairy.
[1:05:01] It's got a very long signals
[1:05:04] across a very wide you know,
[1:05:07] stretches of roadway.
[1:05:08] So people are generally pretty
[1:05:09] excited about the thought of
[1:05:11] having a diagonal crossing
[1:05:12] about how many general
[1:05:13] improvements, you know,
[1:05:16] unsurprised really since we
[1:05:17] were right at that corner
[1:05:18] catching people going from
[1:05:18] corner to corner.
[1:05:20] They were more focused on that
[1:05:21] than on the other you know, new
[1:05:21] all ut improvements.
[1:05:22] But that doesn't mean that
[1:05:23] they're not meaningful.
[1:05:24] It's just you know, what's the
[1:05:30] demographic you're catching so
[1:05:34] wat makes you comfortable with
[1:05:35] the thought of potentially
[1:05:39] suspending the morning station
[1:05:39] because there's obviously
[1:05:40] something in the back of your
[1:05:42] mind going away maybe we can do
[1:05:43] without it.
[1:05:43] >> what what's what's behind
[1:05:44] that?
[1:05:47] So we had kind of a postmortem
[1:05:50] this morning as I alluded to in
[1:05:51] the presentation a bit.
[1:05:54] It was very draining on staff
[1:05:55] time, resources nd energy.
[1:05:58] So being able to consolidate
[1:05:59] all of that into the evening
[1:06:02] event leaves us with much more
[1:06:03] options to ake that much
[1:06:03] better instead of having to
[1:06:06] stretch ourselves so thin.
[1:06:07] So it's not necessarily true
[1:06:09] that we would do that.
[1:06:10] It's just a possibility we're
[1:06:13] exploring not only for our, you
[1:06:14] know, time and energy but also
[1:06:14] the people helping us the
[1:06:17] volunteers potential donors
[1:06:20] supplying things or showing up
[1:06:20] .
[1:06:21] It's basically just that if we
[1:06:24] have, you know, one event
[1:06:24] that's smaller scale and you
[1:06:28] know, not as fun we have one
[1:06:29] that's a much bigger deal being
[1:06:31] able to consolidate everything
[1:06:32] into that could potentially,
[1:06:33] you know, have a much better
[1:06:36] day overall all that we're also
[1:06:40] looking at impact in terms of
[1:06:41] the community and engagement
[1:06:42] and we just feel like the the
[1:06:44] afternoon event engages a lot
[1:06:44] better.
[1:06:47] It gives that full experience
[1:06:48] of a festival kind of going on
[1:06:51] getting kids actually on bikes
[1:06:52] at the younger ages is great
[1:06:55] but yeah the day it's a it's a
[1:06:56] great great day it's a holiday
[1:06:58] really for us in terms of
[1:07:01] celebrating alternative modes
[1:07:02] but you know at 7 A.M. To 7
[1:07:05] P.M. And there's a lot of steps
[1:07:06] you know I got my 15,000 steps
[1:07:10] that day it's it's a lot of
[1:07:11] moving stuff coordination and
[1:07:14] not only that prepping for both
[1:07:17] events and advanced so brianna
[1:07:18] henry and I were all done a lot
[1:07:21] of that that effort so got it
[1:07:22] and and like all good hallmark
[1:07:24] movies there's always a
[1:07:25] festival.
[1:07:25] >> something else I'll add is
[1:07:29] that the evening event?
[1:07:30] You know even if there are just
[1:07:30] passers by who see a sign in
[1:07:33] civic park there coming on
[1:07:33] purpose they're necessarily
[1:07:36] interested whereas in the
[1:07:37] morning you're just catching
[1:07:38] some fraction of people on
[1:07:40] their way who are willing to
[1:07:40] stop.
[1:07:41] A lot of them are just happy to
[1:07:44] grab a snack and go and that's
[1:07:44] fine.
[1:07:45] That's what we're there for.
[1:07:45] But in terms of outreach,
[1:07:47] having these dedicated
[1:07:48] information booths especially
[1:07:49] with a prize incentive to go
[1:07:52] visit them all it lets us be a
[1:07:52] lot more direct and a lot more
[1:07:55] specific across different areas
[1:07:56] just cover a lot more ground as
[1:07:59] well in terms of outreach and
[1:08:00] information.
[1:08:00] Great.
[1:08:03] All good thinking there.
[1:08:04] Any other commissioner
[1:08:08] questions there being none we
[1:08:11] will move to public comment.
[1:08:12] Is there anyone in the public
[1:08:14] who wishes to comment on this
[1:08:15] item?
[1:08:19] >> we have no members of the
[1:08:19] public wishing the required
[1:08:20] comment.
[1:08:22] >> thank you MR. Secretary.
[1:08:23] We'll close public comment and
[1:08:26] move to commissioner comments.
[1:08:30] How about will the vice chair
[1:08:31] patch you just like gone in
[1:08:33] reverse order?
[1:08:34] I like to mix it up.
[1:08:35] Yeah.
[1:08:37] Thank you for this presentation
[1:08:38] .
[1:08:39] I am so glad that it was such a
[1:08:41] successful event for our first
[1:08:42] time trying something like
[1:08:42] this.
[1:08:45] I mean that's very hard to do
[1:08:46] so props to all of the staff
[1:08:49] that made that happen.
[1:08:50] I was really sad to MISS It.
[1:08:52] I ended up with a migraine that
[1:08:53] day so I couldn't go but I it
[1:08:56] sounded like it was really
[1:09:00] great.
[1:09:03] I kind of understand why the
[1:09:04] children participating skewed
[1:09:08] in a younger age just given the
[1:09:11] passport that we put together.
[1:09:14] So I think there might need to
[1:09:15] be like a second activity or a
[1:09:17] more complicated obstacle
[1:09:19] course if you do want to get
[1:09:21] those older children involved
[1:09:25] and participating in a way
[1:09:28] that's meaningful like maybe
[1:09:29] there is two activities, right?
[1:09:30] Like there's a safe space to
[1:09:33] learn to ride a bike and then
[1:09:33] there's an obstacle course
[1:09:39] that's hard or for those teens
[1:09:40] in terms of the the morning
[1:09:43] station versus this I totally
[1:09:49] hear staff on it takes a lot of
[1:09:51] effort and resources to do that
[1:09:52] and I'm almost wondering if
[1:09:55] maybe we need to think about
[1:09:59] doing the bike not a rodeo
[1:10:03] rodeo n a different day like
[1:10:04] halfway through the years you
[1:10:06] have two events kind of trying
[1:10:07] to promote bike safety and
[1:10:11] other modules of transportation
[1:10:12] just because I think that the
[1:10:15] morning session does hit a
[1:10:16] different demographic than a
[1:10:19] fun festival family focused
[1:10:26] situation or maybe you save
[1:10:26] having those morning sessions
[1:10:30] for years where we are looking
[1:10:31] for public feedback on specific
[1:10:34] transportation changes, right?
[1:10:35] So last year it was really
[1:10:36] important because we were
[1:10:38] asking questions about the
[1:10:39] changes the city was looking to
[1:10:42] make on some of those
[1:10:43] intersections where we have the
[1:10:46] station and and maybe we didn't
[1:10:47] need it this year because we
[1:10:49] got the feedback last year or
[1:10:50] next year we don't need it
[1:10:50] because we're not doing
[1:10:53] anything active instead of just
[1:10:57] doing away with it entirely for
[1:10:58] all for forseeable future using
[1:11:01] it more strategically when we
[1:11:02] want to do constituent
[1:11:05] engagement and and then it
[1:11:09] sounded like you had a lot of
[1:11:10] booths for your first year
[1:11:10] which is fantastic.
[1:11:13] I think two ideas for
[1:11:16] additional booths is working
[1:11:17] with the organization downtown
[1:11:20] walnut creek to see if maybe
[1:11:21] they'll get some of the walnut
[1:11:24] creek businesses to have booths
[1:11:25] there and a lot of them do.
[1:11:28] Have you know, bike racks right
[1:11:29] in front of their stores.
[1:11:32] So those might be particular
[1:11:33] for companies that want to
[1:11:37] participate and then the why am
[1:11:37] I forgetting the name again
[1:11:40] role to school walk and roll
[1:11:41] rock rock and roll program I
[1:11:43] got that they had a little
[1:11:44] energizer station but it feels
[1:11:47] like they should have a booth
[1:11:48] at this festival as well
[1:11:50] specifically because they focus
[1:11:54] on bike safety for kids and
[1:11:55] they can you know, talk to the
[1:11:58] parents about if they want to
[1:11:59] volunteer or if their school is
[1:12:01] not already participating in
[1:12:02] the program how they could get
[1:12:05] the program at their school.
[1:12:05] Thank you.
[1:12:09] Commissioner guerrero I thought
[1:12:10] I was going to presentation and
[1:12:11] yeah thank you very much.
[1:12:15] >> other comments?
[1:12:16] MR. Mcmahon yeah thank you for
[1:12:18] the presentation that was
[1:12:19] awesome.
[1:12:20] The bike rodeo looks super fun
[1:12:23] and yeah I think it's one of
[1:12:24] the best days of the year in
[1:12:24] walnut creek honestly overall
[1:12:26] and I really like what
[1:12:27] commissioner paige said about
[1:12:29] maybe make it two days where
[1:12:30] just so you guys don't have to
[1:12:33] you know be there ll day and
[1:12:36] then yeah and then you kind f
[1:12:36] have two days where we focus on
[1:12:37] alternate forms of
[1:12:39] transportation.
[1:12:40] But honestly from the pictures
[1:12:41] and from your presentation it
[1:12:43] looks like you've been doing it
[1:12:44] for many years and it's looking
[1:12:47] awesome.
[1:12:48] So I think yeah maybe just a
[1:12:48] few little tweaks here and
[1:12:49] there to just get more people
[1:12:51] out there and make it better
[1:12:52] and yeah get a few more older
[1:12:55] kids in there I think would be
[1:12:55] great but yeah it sounds like
[1:12:56] you guys are on the right track
[1:12:58] and you're doing a great job so
[1:13:01] really ppreciate that.
[1:13:05] Thank you.
[1:13:05] This is great.
[1:13:06] It's very cute.
[1:13:08] I like the idea.
[1:13:09] I also like the idea of
[1:13:19] expanding it.
[1:13:20] >> I guess the main comment I'm
[1:13:23] thinking of I always like to
[1:13:24] think a little outside the box
[1:13:31] so thinking about the state of
[1:13:32] the walnut festival and you
[1:13:35] know it was been displaced from
[1:13:36] heather farms park some eople
[1:13:40] have suggested oh why can't we
[1:13:40] have the walnut festival at
[1:13:42] civic park secretary's
[1:13:43] wondering where I'm going with
[1:13:46] this but what about maybe
[1:13:50] growing this a little bit
[1:13:54] bigger within the confines of
[1:13:55] civic park and you know, at a
[1:13:58] minimum make it all I guess
[1:14:01] call it all non car
[1:14:05] transportation mode so walking
[1:14:12] biking, biking e-scooters you
[1:14:16] can also even bring in contra
[1:14:16] costa county transit.
[1:14:20] You know that's another form of
[1:14:21] it's not human transportation
[1:14:23] per se but it's another form of
[1:14:24] non vehicle because that's I
[1:14:25] think that's what we're kind of
[1:14:27] driving towards and if you
[1:14:28] could bring in more if you
[1:14:31] could get more maybe food
[1:14:35] booths and vendors there and
[1:14:35] just kind of grow it to maybe
[1:14:39] make it a little bit bigger if
[1:14:40] you're going to go with the
[1:14:40] festival came up with a crazy
[1:14:42] name the bike nut festival
[1:14:43] instead of the walnut festival
[1:14:46] but I know that sounds really
[1:14:47] bad but I'm just wondering you
[1:14:50] know consider thinking a little
[1:14:51] bit bigger.
[1:14:54] You got a great facility there
[1:14:55] and I think people walnut creek
[1:14:58] are craving what they're not
[1:15:01] getting with the displaced
[1:15:02] walnut festival even if it's
[1:15:03] going to be obviously a lot
[1:15:03] smaller than what the walnut
[1:15:07] festival used to be.
[1:15:08] >> and you know now when they
[1:15:09] do the walnut festival when
[1:15:10] they do it, they do t in
[1:15:11] antioch and that's really far
[1:15:11] away.
[1:15:13] What could we make this
[1:15:14] something bigger but at the
[1:15:17] same time keep that you know
[1:15:20] non automobile transportation
[1:15:24] focus as a theme that's really
[1:15:25] my only comment other than you
[1:15:30] know great work on the event
[1:15:31] and I think that's just like
[1:15:34] the other item we don't need
[1:15:35] emotion we're just receiving
[1:15:38] information so I get to do it
[1:15:39] again.
[1:15:40] >> this topic is closed.
[1:15:45] >> thank you very much.
[1:15:50] Here eel my gavel apple all
[1:15:54] right.
[1:15:55] >> all right.
[1:15:56] Moving n to commissioner
[1:15:58] announcements and brief reports
[1:15:59] on activities.
[1:16:02] So do any of the commissioners
[1:16:03] have any activities they've
[1:16:04] attended or have any
[1:16:06] announcements or reports if
[1:16:07] any?
[1:16:11] >> we have the the breakfast to
[1:16:11] report on we can would you like
[1:16:15] to report on that vice hair
[1:16:15] approach?
[1:16:16] I think you would be fantastic
[1:16:18] at it.
[1:16:19] >> I, I don't know what to
[1:16:19] report on.
[1:16:21] I'll just just you know every
[1:16:25] every corner there's a for
[1:16:26] people who don't know there's a
[1:16:29] mayors breakfast meeting it
[1:16:30] usually has the mayor the vice
[1:16:33] mayor mayor pro tem city
[1:16:34] manager and then it has the
[1:16:38] chair and vice chair of all the
[1:16:40] commissions and committees and
[1:16:44] then usually the city staff,
[1:16:45] usually the secretaries of the
[1:16:48] various commissions and we get
[1:16:49] great update from the mayor
[1:16:53] what's going on in the city,
[1:16:53] the mayor, the mayor pro tem
[1:16:56] and the city manager and then
[1:16:59] we rotate around and each pair
[1:17:00] of commission chair and vice
[1:17:01] chairs do an update on what's
[1:17:04] happened since the last meeting
[1:17:04] that the various commission so
[1:17:05] it's a great it's a great way
[1:17:10] to share I always ncourage
[1:17:11] even if you're not chair or
[1:17:12] vice chair when I'm not vice
[1:17:15] chair or chair I still go it's
[1:17:15] really fun to listen to and you
[1:17:18] get a free breakfast with some
[1:17:21] pretty good food so anything
[1:17:22] that that brings up some
[1:17:25] memories for you.
[1:17:25] Yeah.
[1:17:26] -
[1:17:26] all right.
[1:17:29] Any other the the only activity
[1:17:33] I took part in because I think
[1:17:33] I mentioned this at that
[1:17:36] quarterly breakfast meeting I
[1:17:37] did a friday night right along
[1:17:43] with walnut police with officer
[1:17:44] eric payton.
[1:17:45] That was really a lot of fun.
[1:17:48] Very educational and I
[1:17:52] encourage others to request a
[1:17:52] ride along the police
[1:17:56] department is very open and
[1:17:59] likes to take people along and
[1:18:00] show us what they do and how
[1:18:01] they do it.
[1:18:03] >> I was definitely very
[1:18:07] impressed with I never realized
[1:18:08] because we just at a restaurant
[1:18:10] in downtown you might see one
[1:18:14] police vehicle but when I was
[1:18:15] driving around with officer
[1:18:18] payton I couldn't believe how
[1:18:18] many times we ran into another
[1:18:19] officer.
[1:18:21] >> we have a lot of active
[1:18:22] patrolling on friday and
[1:18:22] saturday nights in downtown
[1:18:26] makes us feel like it made me
[1:18:29] feel a lot safer so I encourage
[1:18:30] people to take advantage of the
[1:18:32] generosity of the police
[1:18:33] department allowing the ride
[1:18:33] alongs.
[1:18:37] So that's all I've got.
[1:18:40] That's oh go ahead vice chair
[1:18:44] for a crosswalk improvement
[1:18:45] bike trail improvement on jones
[1:18:47] road is in place and it looks
[1:18:47] fantastic.
[1:18:51] >> great job.
[1:18:52] >> and do we have any report
[1:18:55] out from our williams
[1:18:55] secretary?
[1:18:56] >> well we have so many I'm
[1:18:57] going to have brianna ome up
[1:19:02] and all right.
[1:19:06] Yeah.
[1:19:07] Hi commissioners again my are
[1:19:09] for the new commissioners.
[1:19:10] My name is brianna byrne.
[1:19:11] I'm also a traffic engineer
[1:19:13] here at the city of walnut
[1:19:13] creek.
[1:19:17] So good news grant updates.
[1:19:18] So back in JANUARY, rashad
[1:19:21] culver with our capital
[1:19:21] improvement program presented
[1:19:27] on tda grants we were going for
[1:19:28] $100,000 to cover a portion of
[1:19:29] class for bikeways on your
[1:19:31] avenue.
[1:19:32] We asked for 100, we got 80 so
[1:19:35] and then the other great
[1:19:38] updates just this past tuesday
[1:19:43] we applied for tfc a grant it's
[1:19:46] transportation clean air fund
[1:19:50] fund air for clean air and so
[1:19:53] we applied for two hundred and
[1:19:57] $20,000 to cover a portion of
[1:19:58] our parkside cycle track
[1:19:58] project.
[1:20:02] This project received some
[1:20:02] funds from our affordable
[1:20:06] housing and sustainable
[1:20:06] communities rant that we were
[1:20:07] awarded a couple of years ago
[1:20:10] but with the cost of
[1:20:11] construction and general price
[1:20:15] increases that we're noticing a
[1:20:15] deficit.
[1:20:17] So we had pursued $220,000 so
[1:20:18] we applied on tuesday.
[1:20:21] Stay tuned for updates on that.
[1:20:24] And then the last thing I'm
[1:20:25] going to share before passing
[1:20:28] off to matt on also on tuesday
[1:20:29] as we're still coming down from
[1:20:32] our party planning energy, matt
[1:20:35] and I got the opportunity to
[1:20:36] work with our local fire
[1:20:39] department station number one
[1:20:42] over on civic drive just
[1:20:43] literally across the street.
[1:20:44] They had eached out a couple
[1:20:47] weeks ago about our preemption
[1:20:51] system so at our traffic
[1:20:51] signals there is a device where
[1:20:55] emergency service vehicles like
[1:20:58] ambulances, police officers and
[1:20:59] fire, they can put in a signal
[1:21:03] to our traffic signals and ask
[1:21:03] for the green.
[1:21:04] So they had reached out about
[1:21:06] some intersections they were
[1:21:07] having difficulty with.
[1:21:10] And so matt and I got to do a
[1:21:11] bit of a ride along.
[1:21:12] I was in the front seat with
[1:21:14] the laptop, remote it into our
[1:21:15] servers and matt was at the
[1:21:17] cabinet making sure that we
[1:21:20] were getting the preempt and so
[1:21:21] we looked at five
[1:21:21] intersections.
[1:21:24] We were able to investigate a
[1:21:28] couple tweaks our traffic
[1:21:29] signal and maintenance guys
[1:21:30] made a couple tweaks, confirmed
[1:21:32] some we're working and matt and
[1:21:33] I have some next steps and
[1:21:36] we're looking to do another
[1:21:37] ride along with our officers in
[1:21:40] the next six months or so after
[1:21:41] we've been able to make more
[1:21:43] tweaks on our system.
[1:21:47] Yah that was fun.
[1:21:48] Just as a kind of public
[1:21:51] announcement that the bridge
[1:21:52] the pedestrian bridge that goes
[1:21:54] along the iron horse trail
[1:21:55] overtreat boulevard it has some
[1:21:59] repairs and so they will be
[1:22:02] closing treatment boulevard
[1:22:02] they will close tree boulevard
[1:22:03] at this location at jones road
[1:22:09] basically at night for two
[1:22:09] weeks time.
[1:22:13] i don't know when this will be
[1:22:16] just heads up and if we meet
[1:22:18] again or have a date if they're
[1:22:20] closer to to working on that
[1:22:24] you should know the general
[1:22:25] plan study session meeting is
[1:22:30] in on JUNE 25th at 6 P.M. On
[1:22:31] the third floor which you can
[1:22:34] take that elevator to get up to
[1:22:34] .
[1:22:35] So just looking for your
[1:22:38] attendance there it's a
[1:22:38] basically informational item
[1:22:41] gather feedback and kind of
[1:22:42] start that general plan
[1:22:46] outreach effort with our
[1:22:47] commissioners.
[1:22:47] So be a big all the
[1:22:48] commissioners, all ill be
[1:22:55] gathering and that's all.
[1:22:56] >> thank you.