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090 to promote an orderly and respectful

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Madame Clerk, please call the role.

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>> Thank you, Madam Deputy Mayor. Council

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» Thank you, Madam Deputy Mayor. Council

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>> He is participating telephonically. And

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allegiance. Council member Codle, would

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United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» The next item of business is approval of

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the agenda. Before changes are

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Hearing none, I would like to move AM

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item 8.41,

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under new business, item 10.2.

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the applicants resides outside the city

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evening. Please refer to item 11.2 for

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commission minutes. Their next schedule

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meeting is December 9th.

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Citna Burough regarding the transition

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to areawide animal care services. Please

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come forward and begin your presentation

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by stating your first and last name.

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Madame Deputy Mayor, council members, my

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burough manager. I've got with me uh the

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director of animal care, Vanessa Forbes,

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regulation officer, uh Matt Hardwick.

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introduction and then turn some comments

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of not working now and how we think

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meeting by the assembly in August. We

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had heard already that the some of the

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cities, if not all, might be interested

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in an area wide animal care. And so the

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assembly asked the burough manager to

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the cities and the city mayors, managers

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presentation. We also looked at what the

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uh kind of the pluses and negatives were

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each of them have asked us kind of to

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15th for the public hearing. So, with

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that, I will turn it over to Vanessa and

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>> Good evening, um, Madame Deputy Mayor

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» Good evening, um, Madame Deputy Mayor

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and, uh, council members. My name is

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Vanessa Forbes. I'm the animal care

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director for animal care and regulation

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for the burrow. Um, this was brought to

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February. Um, and as um I've been in

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this role and working with Matt, um,

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we've noticed some areas where it it

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could be a lot more seamless and and

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at is obviously enforcement. So you have

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services that we provide um how those

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then how they would be provided if we

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were to go area wide. So that that first

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change and fluidity if we were to go to

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enforcement of our title 24. Um and then

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our section does investigations um

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citations, administrative orders, and

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um the bureau. So, I'm going to pass it

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experience with how it's been working

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>> and we'll all be available for questions

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» and we'll all be available for questions

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» Evening, ma'am, deputy mayor, council

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members. My name is Matt Hardwig. I'm

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officer for the bureau. I've been

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the bureau for 22 years. So I have seen

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the challenges and the changes not only

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but with the burrow. [clears throat] Our

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relationship with the city has been has

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been good over the years but I've seen a

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lot of conflict and not with the city or

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with the the enforcement but with the

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citizens and between the cities and the

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bureaus. The problem that conflict I'm

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talking about is when something crosses

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boundaries and I can't enforce our laws

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in your city and your city can't enforce

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it in our burrow. To give you an example

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of uh a dog from the Wasil city crosses

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into burough boundary, bites a child and

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then goes back. We cannot enforce those

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ordinances for across our boundaries.

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come across, um, [clears throat] this

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was probably the most com complex one

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was Palmer City had a warrant for a

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house in Wasilla City and I went and

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took the animals out of the house. Whose

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jurisdiction does that fall underneath

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for enforcement of those animals?

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worry about it, but it was still what do

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we do? Um, so this going area or having

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a one ordinance for all burough and city

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res residents has been a wish of mine.

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get a call from a city resident and tell

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them I can't help them. Um, whether it's

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the city can help them or not, it's

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something that's a struggle for us. Uh,

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so this is to have a one ordinance, a

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one-stop shop, a a one place for all

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Burough residents to go because we're

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all living here together basically, even

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cities and burough residents. Um, now I

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am open to any questions, any any

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concerns about how this would work.

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Vanessa. Thank you number one. Thank for

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once again the first magic line on your

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handout here and it talks about uh

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and burrow cooperating. So if a city

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resident calls and says, "Hey, I have a

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trouble with my neighbors got three dogs

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barking all night."

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can the city respond to that with our uh

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code folks and say, "Hey, there's a

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problem here. I'm going to turn it over

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to the bureau," or are we kind of out of

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the loop alto together on that?

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» So, if it's within city jurisdiction,

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then it falls to you. um we can shelter

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those animals if we get a call from you

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saying we need a place for these animals

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and um you can bring them to the shelter

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>> So the normal enforcement procedures

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» sheltering

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>> sheltering would continue to remain with

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» sheltering would continue to remain with

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>> as it is right now.

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If I can expand on that, when you said

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>> if you do go area wide, George,

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» if you do go area wide, George,

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issues. Uh but my

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my question had to do with specific

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enforcement of Wasilla City Code that

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deals with, you know, you can't have six

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cattle on your condominium property.

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>> I mean, is our

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» I mean, is our

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uh our code enforcement guy

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>> going to be able or woman, you know,

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» going to be able or woman, you know,

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whoever it is at the time,

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>> going to be able to go in and say, "Hey,

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» going to be able to go in and say, "Hey,

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there's a problem here. If you don't fix

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it, I'm going to call the burrow and the

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burrow is going to take these or may

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take these animals." I mean, are we do

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we still have control of our code when

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it comes to animals or does everything

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shift over to the burrow?

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>> Once you go area wide or if we go area

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» Once you go area wide or if we go area

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wide, then everything shifts over to the

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burrow and your co your code would then

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become null and void. Now, I will say

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that if you have a particular part of

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your code, and I've told this to the

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other two cities as well, and let's say

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you have a a code that says we require

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all dogs within the city limits to be to

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have licenses. Well, we don't have that

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in burough code anymore. So if you

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wanted that then you could petition the

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assembly and say we'd like this and

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other portions of our current code to

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remain in effect within the city of

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Wasilla. And then that you would send

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that to the assembly and the assembly

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could pass that then as part of title 24

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specifically only within the city

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limits.

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>> Okay.

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» Okay.

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>> Other than that other than that your

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» Other than that other than that your

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code would would no longer be in effect.

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>> Okay. Okay. And I see the city attorney

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» Okay. Okay. And I see the city attorney

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u may she add to that madam?

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>> I just want to add to that and I think

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» I just want to add to that and I think

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also hopefully delineated an idea that

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you're putting forward council member

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Graham which is we still retain our land

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use authority. So if you're saying there

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are only two horses allowed on this on a

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lot this size which would be which would

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live in title 16. the animal control

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component doesn't impact that. We would

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say there's a violation. You're not

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using your land properly. Now, if we're

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going to go into the property and take

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the horses, that's when we're we're

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entering into the world of uh uh animal

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care and regulation. That's now going to

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be if this pass is transferred to the

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burrow. And I just want to make sure

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we're all Yes, ma'am.

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>> Okay. So,

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» Okay. So,

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>> oh yeah, land use is definitely

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» oh yeah, land use is definitely

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different than the straight animal code.

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>> Yes.

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» Yes.

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>> Thank you,

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» Thank you,

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>> Councilman. Deputy mayor, um, just for

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» Councilman. Deputy mayor, um, just for

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clarification purposes, if we're to pass

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ordinance serial number 2541, it is

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repealing Wasilla Municipal Code, Title

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7, Animal Care and Regulation, and

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transferring the city's jurisdiction and

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authority over to animal care with the

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bureau. So, we would not be doing

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anything other than animals on land use.

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Our our title 7 um codes would go away.

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>> Correct.

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» Correct.

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>> Yeah. I just I just wanted that for

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» Yeah. I just I just wanted that for

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clarification because I think there's a

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little bit of of mud with with that.

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>> Yeah. I just wanted to make sure our

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» Yeah. I just wanted to make sure our

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land use

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>> our land use

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» our land use

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>> was not going to be affected by this,

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» was not going to be affected by this,

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particularly since we just spent two

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years working on title 16. [laughter]

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Madame Deputy Mayor,

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>> Councilman Craftton,

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» Councilman Craftton,

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>> thank you. Thank you guys for being

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» thank you. Thank you guys for being

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here. Uh, so just to make sure I also uh

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heard you correctly, if we wanted to do

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anything, basically we can put more

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restrictive measures in place if again

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we uh wanted licenses to use your

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example uh for for dogs in the city

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limits. We could, but we would have to

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go to the burrow to do that. We couldn't

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do it at the city level anymore.

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Essentially, we would have to in essence

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create a resolution stating that this is

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what we want uh or modify the ordinance

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before us prior to sending it off to the

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bureau. And that might jump to Holly or

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or both of you, but just to clarify,

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that's what I'm understanding correctly.

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>> Yes, I think at this stage you're

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» Yes, I think at this stage you're

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looking at a whole transfer of the

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animal regulations and control. Um, I

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think because of the areawwide

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concerted effort, if we do want to

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peacemeal that at all, I think that

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those discussions would need to go back

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because what was anticipated by the

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administration is bringing forward a,

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you know, a full transfer.

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» Thank you. No other questions.

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» There's no further questions. Thank you

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guys.

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>> Thank you.

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» Thank you.

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We are now at public hearing. Madame

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clerk, please read the ordinance by

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title.

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>> Thank you, Madam Deputy Mayor. First

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» Thank you, Madam Deputy Mayor. First

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public hearing this evening is ordinance

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serial number 2537 repealing Wasilla

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Municipal Code Chapter 1655 downtown

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overlay district and amending Wasilla

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Municipal Code 161025

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definitions 165010

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overlay districts and 161201

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decisions subject to appeal to remove

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the downtown overlay district in

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references to that district from Wasilla

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Municipal Code Title 16.

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The public hearing on ordinance serial

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number 25-37 is now open. Anyone wishing

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to testify, please come forward and

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begin by stating your first and last

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name. Comments are limited to three

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minutes per person.

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Good evening, madame deputy mayor,

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council members. My name is David Seals.

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I'm the current chair of the Wasilla

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Planning Commission. Um, I'm

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really excited that this is coming

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before you tonight for a vote. This is

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something that a lot of people have

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worked on for a long time to remove this

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restrictions from this area. It is a

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commercial dead zone and has been for a

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long time because of restrictions.

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So, uh, I urge that this be passed and

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if a downtown overlay needs to be done

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in the future, it can be something that

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could be looked at. But for now, this

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all needs to revert back to commercial

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property and DOT needs to be informed if

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this is a past that the downtown overlay

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no longer affects the plans for the

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couplet. Thank you very much.

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Seeing nobody else, the public hearing

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is closed. Is there a motion to adopt

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ordinance serial number 25-37?

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>> Madame Deputy Mayor, [clears throat]

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» Madame Deputy Mayor, [clears throat]

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I move ordinance serial number 2537.

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>> Is there a second?

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» Is there a second?

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>> I'll second that.

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» I'll second that.

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It's been moved by Council Member

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Craftton and seconded by Council Member

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Schmidt to adopt ordinance serial number

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25-37.

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Is there discussion?

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>> Madam Deputy Mayor,

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» Madam Deputy Mayor,

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>> Councilman Craftton,

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» Councilman Craftton,

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>> thank you. Uh, I am very excited about

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» thank you. Uh, I am very excited about

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this one.

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Uh, this has probably been one of the

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top complaints that I've gotten from

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business owners uh here in the city of

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Wasola. And so I think uh this is a very

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good thing that we uh are looking at

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repealing this. I know we had this

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conversation during title 16 and again I

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was glad we separated them just because

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there was it it was it was a lot to work

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with trying to do both of them at the

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same time. Um but the other thing that

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really excites me about this is being

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able to look at our code and go, "Hey,

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this just doesn't work for people." And

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going, "That's okay. We can undo things.

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We can just get rid of things because

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it's not working." Um, I feel like a lot

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of times the government puts thing in

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things in place and then they want to

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try and patch it and fix it and try and

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find a way to make it work because there

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was a reason why it was put in in the

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first place. But sometimes you just have

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to go, "No, this didn't work. We're

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going to get rid of it and we're going

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to start over." And uh I'm not saying we

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need to start over and put another

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downtown overlay uh in place, but uh

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like what Mr. Seals said was that uh if

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there is one necessary for the future,

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you know, it's a completely different

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process that we're going to be looking

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at doing. But I am in full support of

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repealing the downtown overlay district

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and I know a lot of people and a lot of

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business owners will be excited to hear

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that this gets passed tonight.

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» Councilman um

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>> Stu. Yeah, that's me.

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» Stu. Yeah, that's me.

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>> No, Graham.

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» No, Graham.

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>> Yeah,

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» Yeah,

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thank you Councilman Craftton. Good

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words there. And I too think this needs

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to be repealed. But I think when it came

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forward initially, it was a

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a grand idea. You know, let's revitalize

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the downtown. Let's let's figure out

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what makes it work. And this idea was

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brought in, you know, from other uh

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small cities uh larger than us, but

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other small cities to try and revitalize

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the down revitalize the downtown. So, I

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I certainly don't want the planning

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commission uh or the city council to

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think that they wasted their time on

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this, but I do think it's important that

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we uh you know, as uh elected office

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holders say, you know, hey, we made a

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mistake. Let's let's fix it. And this is

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fixing that mistake.

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» Councilman Schmid.

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>> Yeah. I also agree um in repealing this

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» Yeah. I also agree um in repealing this

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uh as many of the businesses that I

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talked to, it literally inhibited a lot

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of different things for business to grow

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and uh I think getting rid of this is

546
00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:11,750
going to be a wise decision.

547
00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,600
» Madam, Madame Deputy Mayor, Council

548
00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,039
Member Schmidt, I think we have a

549
00:20:15,039 --> 00:20:16,640
microphone problem, so if we could take

550
00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,520
a brief at ease to get him

551
00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,899
um a mic, that would be great.

552
00:20:22,899 --> 00:20:23,520
[laughter]

553
00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,600
Darth Vader entered the room.

554
00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,029
>> We need to start doing some checks at

555
00:20:27,029 --> 00:20:27,039
» We need to start doing some checks at

556
00:20:27,039 --> 00:20:30,710
the beginning of meetings.

557
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:31,919
» The elected officials need to bring

558
00:20:31,919 --> 00:20:34,689
their own mic.

559
00:20:34,689 --> 00:20:35,360
[clears throat]

560
00:20:35,360 --> 00:20:37,510
>> Thank you.

561
00:20:37,510 --> 00:20:37,520
» Thank you.

562
00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:41,029
>> Is there further discussion?

563
00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:41,039
» Is there further discussion?

564
00:20:41,039 --> 00:20:43,280
Hearing none. Is there an objection to

565
00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:47,350
the motion?

566
00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:56,470
Hearing none. The motion is adopted.

567
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,799
Madam clerk, please read ordinance

568
00:20:58,799 --> 00:21:01,520
serial number 25-38 by title.

569
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:02,870
>> Thank you. That's amending the fiscal

570
00:21:02,870 --> 00:21:02,880
» Thank you. That's amending the fiscal

571
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,280
year 2026 budget by accepting and

572
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,080
appropriating 340,000

573
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:09,919
from an amendment to the Matnus casuous

574
00:21:09,919 --> 00:21:13,120
sit contract to add two new full-time

575
00:21:13,120 --> 00:21:16,240
positions at MATCOM. One fire EMS call

576
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,600
taker and one dispatcher.

577
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,520
The public hearing on ordinance serial

578
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:25,440
number 25-38 is now open. Anyone wishing

579
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,280
to testify, please come forward and

580
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,280
begin by stating your first and last

581
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:33,350
name.

582
00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:36,400
No takers. Okay. Is there a motion to

583
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,919
adopt ordinance serial number 25-38?

584
00:21:39,919 --> 00:21:42,789
>> Madame Deputy Mayor, I move to adopt

585
00:21:42,789 --> 00:21:42,799
» Madame Deputy Mayor, I move to adopt

586
00:21:42,799 --> 00:21:45,440
ordinance serial number 2538.

587
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,630
>> Is there a second?

588
00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:48,640
» Is there a second?

589
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,120
Graham seconds.

590
00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:52,630
>> It has been moved by council member

591
00:21:52,630 --> 00:21:52,640
» It has been moved by council member

592
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,120
Codle and seconded by council member

593
00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:57,120
Graham to adopt ordinance serial number

594
00:21:57,120 --> 00:22:02,310
2538. Is there discussion?

595
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:03,600
» Councilman Graham.

596
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:07,669
>> Thank you. I I do have just one question

597
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:07,679
» Thank you. I I do have just one question

598
00:22:07,679 --> 00:22:10,240
here and hopefully

599
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,320
Matt H director can answer it. I mean,

600
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,600
we're accepting $340,000

601
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,440
uh for these

602
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,240
two positions. Is there some sort of,

603
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,159
you know, handshake agreement with the

604
00:22:22,159 --> 00:22:24,159
bureau that we will continue to do this?

605
00:22:24,159 --> 00:22:25,280
Because what we're doing here is we're

606
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,280
adding PERS

607
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:31,520
positions here and if the bureau thinks

608
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,200
that this is going to be a temporary

609
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,480
situation, I'm I'm concerned.

610
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,070
>> It's not. Sorry. I'm sorry. Um, can we

611
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:40,080
» It's not. Sorry. I'm sorry. Um, can we

612
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,440
ask the TED

613
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:44,960
finance for PERS

614
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:55,750
>> for PERS?

615
00:22:55,760 --> 00:23:00,480
uh through uh Deputy Mayor Rubio to uh

616
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,240
Council Member Graham is that we have a

617
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:09,039
total number of uh positions and as long

618
00:23:09,039 --> 00:23:11,760
as my understanding is we don't do away

619
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,159
with the full class

620
00:23:14,159 --> 00:23:16,880
that if something would happen and we

621
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,760
had to lay off people it wouldn't cause

622
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,360
a termination study is my understanding.

623
00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:25,760
ing

624
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,320
for the

625
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,230
>> yeah the problem with PERS I mean a lot

626
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:30,240
» yeah the problem with PERS I mean a lot

627
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,000
of times those termination studies those

628
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,440
additional costs arise when you

629
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,000
eliminate a classification so and that's

630
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,360
a that's something we have to think

631
00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:40,159
about where a size arcity is of a size

632
00:23:40,159 --> 00:23:42,880
that we might eliminate a department if

633
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,360
we create a department so we're we're

634
00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:48,640
always careful um in that way but this

635
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:53,029
doesn't trigger those types of concerns

636
00:23:53,039 --> 00:23:54,880
I'm glad to hear that. But I I would be

637
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,000
interested in the other question. I

638
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,559
mean, is does the bureau consider this

639
00:23:58,559 --> 00:24:01,520
to be a semi-permanent arrangement? I

640
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:02,960
mean, they didn't say, "Let's just try

641
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,320
this for a year and see what happens."

642
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:05,280
Or

643
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:06,789
>> they're wanting to try it with the

644
00:24:06,789 --> 00:24:06,799
» they're wanting to try it with the

645
00:24:06,799 --> 00:24:11,120
part-time uh additional person and then

646
00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:13,520
they will continue. They're intent is to

647
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,400
continue with the part-time on for the

648
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,799
next um contract bid.

649
00:24:20,799 --> 00:24:23,520
they may want to go ahead and go a extra

650
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,760
full-time person. So, that's what I look

651
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,919
for to happen is they'll want another

652
00:24:27,919 --> 00:24:30,400
person to add next year, but they were

653
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,000
hoping to get this done sooner rather

654
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,320
than later so that they can have time to

655
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,880
study it before their next budget cycle

656
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,320
and make sure they can add another

657
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,559
person, too.

658
00:24:40,559 --> 00:24:42,640
And are we letting these people that

659
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,520
we're bringing on know that this is a

660
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,480
temporarily funded position or

661
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:48,870
>> um

662
00:24:48,870 --> 00:24:48,880
» um

663
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:49,909
>> test position?

664
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:49,919
» test position?

665
00:24:49,919 --> 00:24:51,590
>> We haven't had that discussion yet

666
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:51,600
» We haven't had that discussion yet

667
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,520
because we're waiting for confirmation

668
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:58,710
to get this approved. So

669
00:24:58,720 --> 00:24:59,760
» I deputy mayor

670
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:00,789
>> Councilman Craftton.

671
00:25:00,789 --> 00:25:00,799
» Councilman Craftton.

672
00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:02,310
>> Thank you. Sorry. Did you say they're

673
00:25:02,310 --> 00:25:02,320
» Thank you. Sorry. Did you say they're

674
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,640
wanting to do a part-time position

675
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:10,000
first? Well, it's um they're we're

676
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,120
putting an extra person on just halfime.

677
00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:15,279
So, adding those two positions is only

678
00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:19,840
covering 12 hours out of each day.

679
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,149
>> Sorry, Miss Craftton. Yeah, we're going

680
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:22,159
» Sorry, Miss Craftton. Yeah, we're going

681
00:25:22,159 --> 00:25:24,640
to relay over to Ted.

682
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:29,190
>> Oh, thanks. Uh, Deputy Mayor and

683
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:29,200
» Oh, thanks. Uh, Deputy Mayor and

684
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:33,120
uh to Councilman Ian, we are requesting

685
00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:35,200
two full-time positions,

686
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:35,750
>> correct,

687
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:35,760
» correct,

688
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:40,390
>> for this contract that would go forward

689
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:40,400
» for this contract that would go forward

690
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,720
if the council or if the Matsu Burough

691
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,559
would uh do an appropriation next year.

692
00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:50,960
So this contract amendment that we have

693
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,600
for the 340,000

694
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,840
is for just FY26

695
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,799
and the understanding is that these

696
00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:03,679
people are needed and it's doing the or

697
00:26:03,679 --> 00:26:06,320
these positions are doing what the

698
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,919
bureau is expecting the positions to do

699
00:26:09,919 --> 00:26:12,640
that they would come back with another

700
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,840
subject to appropriation amendment in

701
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,840
FY27.

702
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,188
But yes, the

703
00:26:21,188 --> 00:26:23,520
[snorts] it is understood in our

704
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,440
meetings with uh the

705
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,880
burough manager that if

706
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,600
we didn't get an amendment

707
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,080
next year through the appropriation

708
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:41,200
process in January through June that

709
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:47,269
those two positions would be eliminated.

710
00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:50,880
Thank you. Answers my question.

711
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:55,350
>> Is there further discussion

712
00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:57,360
» hearing? None.

713
00:26:57,360 --> 00:27:02,070
Is there an objection to the motion?

714
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:10,950
Hearing none, the motion is adopted.

715
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,200
We are now at persons to be heard. a

716
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,279
time for members of the public to share

717
00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:16,880
their views with the council. Please

718
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,559
note that this is not a question and

719
00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:20,880
answer period. Speakers may be referred

720
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,440
to administration and items raised may

721
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,240
be taken under advisement. Please begin

722
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,000
your testimony by stating your first and

723
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,600
last name and if you are a city

724
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,000
resident, comments are limited to three

725
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:47,110
minutes. First one is William Baxter.

726
00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:49,679
I'm I'm William Baxter. I'm from

727
00:27:49,679 --> 00:27:51,440
Anchorage, but I used to live out here.

728
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,520
My parents lived up fish for uh many

729
00:27:55,520 --> 00:28:00,799
years. And uh and um and uh I were I

730
00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:04,000
volunteered for FFA and other things I

731
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,480
do and and I was at the Graange last

732
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,320
night, which is a agriculture program.

733
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,720
It's been around since the 1800s. And uh

734
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,480
one of the things I I'm trying to do,

735
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,720
I'm trying to get a a graange in

736
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,919
Anchorage, but also Graange could help

737
00:28:19,919 --> 00:28:23,919
with uh like gardening. I think it'd be

738
00:28:23,919 --> 00:28:26,720
a good idea to we're we're in Anchorage,

739
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,520
we got in Fairview, we have two

740
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,159
community gardens and it's a it's a good

741
00:28:32,159 --> 00:28:34,880
way to get get the family, you know,

742
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,520
people interested in in farming and and

743
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,200
uh uh gardening and that and uh it's

744
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,440
just a uh I I when I was live when I

745
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,080
lived out here in Wasola, my parents my

746
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,440
mom was raised on a farm and uh and my

747
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,320
dad was uh you know, He liked to uh uh

748
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,559
raise chickens and turkeys and that up

749
00:28:56,559 --> 00:29:00,080
here on was fish hook and uh and when we

750
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,640
were kids we we had our we had ducks and

751
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,240
geese and that and 4 is a another good

752
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:11,200
thing one I uh I volunteer for and I I

753
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,559
think we need to uh expand our farming

754
00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:17,520
more. One of the things I noticed is uh

755
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:22,000
farming is hidden in in in Alaska. When

756
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,600
you go white people uh have boats and

757
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,640
fishing boats and four-wheelers and that

758
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,159
well you see them go down the road. Do

759
00:29:30,159 --> 00:29:33,440
you see tractors go down the road and I

760
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,240
you come out here now I don't from Wasel

761
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,640
to uh from Anchorage you don't see no

762
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,520
farms out here anymore along the the the

763
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,320
highway. And then uh also you go to

764
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,200
Palmer, I don't you know uh you don't

765
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,799
you don't see any farms there. You used

766
00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:51,360
to see them at Four Corners or big

767
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:52,880
potato potato farm, but it's not there

768
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,960
anymore.

769
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,950
Thank you.

770
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,630
» Tim Sterns

771
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,120
» or Tom Sterns. Sorry. There you go. My

772
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:06,880
mic's on now. I don't know. Tom Sterns.

773
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:07,830
>> After all these years,

774
00:30:07,830 --> 00:30:07,840
» After all these years,

775
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,350
>> I know Tom. Sorry.

776
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:09,360
» I know Tom. Sorry.

777
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:09,990
>> Goodness.

778
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:10,000
» Goodness.

779
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,750
>> It could be your handwriting. You know,

780
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:11,760
» It could be your handwriting. You know,

781
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,279
you should have been a doctor.

782
00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:16,310
>> That that could be the problem. Good

783
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:16,320
» That that could be the problem. Good

784
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,480
evening. My name is Tom Sterns. I'm the

785
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,559
senior ambassador for the Wasel Area

786
00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:23,840
Seniors Incorporated. Um, what's

787
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,200
happening at Wasi? Well, most of you

788
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,600
probably have already picked up your

789
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:34,960
pies from our my oh my, it's pies and uh

790
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,080
and so you know that we just completed a

791
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,440
fundraiser. But what you don't know is

792
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,640
that we were not expecting one to do

793
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,399
this this year. And then just at the

794
00:30:48,399 --> 00:30:51,120
end, we we said, "Okay, we'll do it."

795
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,320
Our expectation was to get probably

796
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:58,480
maybe $2,000 out of the fundraiser.

797
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,840
Once everybody started donating pies and

798
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:06,240
stuff, we ended up with uh a total of

799
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:07,919
$7,000

800
00:31:07,919 --> 00:31:11,760
as the uh end total. And uh that that

801
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,840
was really uh really exciting. So that

802
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,039
was that. Now, what's coming up in the

803
00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:23,600
future? Well, the future starts um here

804
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:28,399
on uh Wednesday. Wednesday is one of the

805
00:31:28,399 --> 00:31:31,840
best meals that you will find uh in the

806
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:37,679
valley uh at Wasi and uh we put in a

807
00:31:37,679 --> 00:31:41,279
very big effort to for our Thanksgiving

808
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:45,760
meal and uh you will see that our place

809
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:50,320
is packed out. Uh it will uh probably

810
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:55,039
have uh 150 people there. uh and it will

811
00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:57,840
be a great lunch. Uh and so I would

812
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,080
encourage you uh if you have the

813
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,840
opportunity to be there for that. Then

814
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:08,640
uh on the 23rd of December, we will do

815
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,760
it all over again, different motif.

816
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,080
It'll be Christmas and we will have

817
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:18,399
another great meal. and uh uh and so we

818
00:32:18,399 --> 00:32:22,559
would uh uh request your presence there

819
00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:25,919
for that. Now, one other thing that's

820
00:32:25,919 --> 00:32:27,679
happening and it's something that you

821
00:32:27,679 --> 00:32:30,799
can all help us with. It's the WASI uh

822
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:33,840
Christmas giving. We do this every year.

823
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,360
Uh we collect things for seniors and

824
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:41,279
then we put them in a bag and uh on that

825
00:32:41,279 --> 00:32:44,799
23rd of December uh everybody gets

826
00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:46,799
together. They have this great meal and

827
00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:50,000
the seniors uh get the opportunity and

828
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,600
go to get one of these bags.

829
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:59,120
If you saw the smiles and the um on the

830
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,480
faces of the people, it may be the only

831
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,960
thing that they get for Christmas and

832
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,799
they are so excited and so thankful for

833
00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:12,320
that. And that's because of our

834
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,039
sponsors, people that help us uh with

835
00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:16,880
all these things, collecting all these

836
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,799
things and putting them all together.

837
00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:20,960
So, we thank you for that.

838
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,470
>> Madam Deputy Mayor, can I ask him two

839
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:22,480
» Madam Deputy Mayor, can I ask him two

840
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,120
quick clarifying questions?

841
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:25,990
>> Go ahead, Craft.

842
00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:26,000
» Go ahead, Craft.

843
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,990
>> Thank you. Uh Wednesday, what time was

844
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:28,000
» Thank you. Uh Wednesday, what time was

845
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,080
the uh the dinner? I don't think I heard

846
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,000
what it was.

847
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,549
>> I would suggest you be there by 11:00.

848
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:34,559
» I would suggest you be there by 11:00.

849
00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:37,679
Uh it will start probably 11:30, but if

850
00:33:37,679 --> 00:33:39,919
you want to see it, uh you want to get

851
00:33:39,919 --> 00:33:41,120
there about 11:00.

852
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,190
>> Perfect. And then another clarifying

853
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:43,200
» Perfect. And then another clarifying

854
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,159
question on your uh giving one here. It

855
00:33:46,159 --> 00:33:48,799
says that to shop online, are people

856
00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:50,720
allowed to to go other places, you know,

857
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,240
try and get the other items from other

858
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:53,760
places they want or do you specifically

859
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,840
want them purchased from the ways to

860
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,279
give online there?

861
00:33:57,279 --> 00:34:00,070
>> Uh no, you can get your gifts from any

862
00:34:00,070 --> 00:34:00,080
» Uh no, you can get your gifts from any

863
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,120
place and then just give send them over

864
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,279
to us. Yeah, perfect. Thank you.

865
00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:07,669
>> Anything else? Thank you.

866
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:07,679
» Anything else? Thank you.

867
00:34:07,679 --> 00:34:09,990
>> Thank you.

868
00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:10,000
» Thank you.

869
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:10,960
We [clears throat] are now at the

870
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,879
consent agenda. Madame clerk, please

871
00:34:12,879 --> 00:34:14,560
read the items for the approval under

872
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,639
the consent agenda by title.

873
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:18,310
>> Thank you, Madame Deputy Mayor. Uh

874
00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:18,320
» Thank you, Madame Deputy Mayor. Uh

875
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,320
regular meeting minutes, November 10th,

876
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,200
2025. We have three introductions for

877
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,440
public hearing date on December 15,

878
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,839
2025. The first is ordinance serial

879
00:34:27,839 --> 00:34:31,359
number 2539 amending was municipal code

880
00:34:31,359 --> 00:34:33,679
section 504060

881
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:36,159
examination of city financial records

882
00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:38,320
and financial statements to change the

883
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,639
required completion date of the annual

884
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:44,240
audit from November 30 to January 31st.

885
00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:46,560
Ordinance serial number 2540 amending

886
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,839
Wasilla Municipal Code section 50430

887
00:34:49,839 --> 00:34:52,399
general fixed assets to increase the

888
00:34:52,399 --> 00:34:55,119
fixed asset capitalization threshold

889
00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:58,000
from 5,000 to 10,000. And lastly,

890
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,800
ordinance serial number 2541, repealing

891
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,520
Wasilla Municipal Code, Title 7, Animal

892
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,280
Care and Regulation, to transfer the

893
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,599
city's jurisdiction and authority over

894
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:09,680
animal care to the Matanuska Susettna

895
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,560
Bureau on an area basis effective upon

896
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,240
the burough's acceptance of such

897
00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:16,480
jurisdiction and authority. We have no

898
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,880
resolutions and our AM was moved to new

899
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,359
business. So that's it.

900
00:35:21,359 --> 00:35:23,109
>> Is there a motion to approve the consent

901
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:23,119
» Is there a motion to approve the consent

902
00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:25,520
agenda as read?

903
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,599
Madame Deputy Mayor, I move to approve

904
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:29,599
the consent agenda as read.

905
00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:30,550
>> Is there a second?

906
00:35:30,550 --> 00:35:30,560
» Is there a second?

907
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:31,829
>> Madam Deputy mayor, I'll second the

908
00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:31,839
» Madam Deputy mayor, I'll second the

909
00:35:31,839 --> 00:35:32,400
motion.

910
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:33,829
>> It has been moved by Council Member

911
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:33,839
» It has been moved by Council Member

912
00:35:33,839 --> 00:35:36,880
Codle and seconded by Councilman Coun

913
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,040
Council Member Craftton to approve the

914
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,440
consent agenda as read. Is there any

915
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:42,480
objection?

916
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,870
>> Madame uh Deputy Mayor, Madam Clerk, did

917
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:46,880
» Madame uh Deputy Mayor, Madam Clerk, did

918
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,119
did I not hear you say that minutes of

919
00:35:49,119 --> 00:35:51,440
the meeting were part of it?

920
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,270
>> You did. You heard me say that.

921
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:53,280
» You did. You heard me say that.

922
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,310
>> Okay. Thank you. Hearing

923
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:56,320
» Okay. Thank you. Hearing

924
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,280
none, the consent agenda is approved.

925
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:00,960
There is no unfinished business, so

926
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,040
we'll move directly to new business. The

927
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:04,960
city attorney will provide ethics

928
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,599
training. Madame Deputy mayor, would the

929
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:09,359
council like to take the two action

930
00:36:09,359 --> 00:36:11,839
items first if

931
00:36:11,839 --> 00:36:12,630
>> Yes, please.

932
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:12,640
» Yes, please.

933
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:13,349
>> Okay.

934
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:13,359
» Okay.

935
00:36:13,359 --> 00:36:15,430
>> No offense, Holly. So if there's no

936
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:15,440
» No offense, Holly. So if there's no

937
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:16,880
objection from the body, we'll begin

938
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,000
with AM number 2561, confirmation of the

939
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,640
mayoral appointment of Tommy Truit, Dan

940
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,599
Fleckenstein, and Megan Montigane.

941
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:27,760
Apologize if I botched that last name.

942
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,760
To the parks and recreation commission,

943
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,400
Aaron McCarthy to the airport advisory

944
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,160
commission, and Carolyn D. Young and

945
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:39,670
Simon Brown to the planning commission.

946
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,040
» Motion to adopt.

947
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,069
>> Is there a [clears throat] motion to

948
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:42,079
» Is there a [clears throat] motion to

949
00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:44,160
adopt?

950
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,920
Madame Mayor, I move AM2561.

951
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:48,950
>> Is there a second?

952
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:48,960
» Is there a second?

953
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,870
>> Codle seconds.

954
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:50,880
» Codle seconds.

955
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,710
>> Motion has been moved by Councilman

956
00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:52,720
» Motion has been moved by Councilman

957
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:55,200
Graham and second by Council Member

958
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,760
Codle to approve.

959
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,270
>> Deputy mayor.

960
00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:59,280
» Deputy mayor.

961
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,670
>> Councilman Craftton.

962
00:37:01,670 --> 00:37:01,680
» Councilman Craftton.

963
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,109
>> I mean Graham. Whoops.

964
00:37:03,109 --> 00:37:03,119
» I mean Graham. Whoops.

965
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:04,310
>> I've been called much worse.

966
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:04,320
» I've been called much worse.

967
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,310
>> Okay. Uh I I move to uh postpone to the

968
00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:08,320
» Okay. Uh I I move to uh postpone to the

969
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,359
next regular meeting u uh due to the

970
00:37:11,359 --> 00:37:13,520
fact that this is a mayoral appointments

971
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:14,960
and the mayor is not here to speak to

972
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,760
this.

973
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,270
>> Is there a second?

974
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:19,280
» Is there a second?

975
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,190
>> I'll second the motion.

976
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:24,480
» Want me to read that? You want to read

977
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,560
it? No. Is there any objection?

978
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:27,829
>> Is there an objection?

979
00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:27,839
» Is there an objection?

980
00:37:27,839 --> 00:37:29,829
>> Did we discuss it first? I just had a

981
00:37:29,829 --> 00:37:29,839
» Did we discuss it first? I just had a

982
00:37:29,839 --> 00:37:32,480
quick question though. Uh mostly just I

983
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,800
think it probably be of our clerk uh the

984
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,440
Tommy Truit situation here. Are we are

985
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,040
we going to just strike it at the next

986
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:40,480
meeting then at this point? It just

987
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,560
carries over for now or

988
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,710
>> since the motion to postpone has already

989
00:37:44,710 --> 00:37:44,720
» since the motion to postpone has already

990
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:47,200
been moved and is on the floor. Um we'll

991
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:48,160
wait to amend.

992
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:57,349
>> Okay. Thank you.

993
00:37:57,359 --> 00:37:59,040
» You ready?

994
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,640
So no objection then to the

995
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,320
postponement.

996
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:03,920
Madame deputy mayor, if I may, we'll

997
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,599
move on then to the resolution serial

998
00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:08,720
number 2537 authorizing the Matuskus at

999
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:11,599
Nuro to provide areawide animal care

1000
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:14,800
services within the city of Wasilla.

1001
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,630
>> Is there a motion to adopt resolution

1002
00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:16,640
» Is there a motion to adopt resolution

1003
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,800
serial number 25-37?

1004
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,109
>> Madame deputy mayor, I move to adopt

1005
00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:21,119
» Madame deputy mayor, I move to adopt

1006
00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:23,520
resolution serial number 2537.

1007
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,030
>> Is there a second?

1008
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:27,040
» Is there a second?

1009
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:28,400
Graham seconds.

1010
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:29,829
>> It has been moved by Council Member

1011
00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:29,839
» It has been moved by Council Member

1012
00:38:29,839 --> 00:38:31,599
Codle and seconded by Council Member

1013
00:38:31,599 --> 00:38:33,760
Graham to adopt resolution serial number

1014
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,599
25-37.

1015
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:39,829
Is there discussion?

1016
00:38:39,839 --> 00:38:41,920
» Council member Graham.

1017
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,790
>> Thank you, Madam Deputy Mayor. I I I

1018
00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:44,800
» Thank you, Madam Deputy Mayor. I I I

1019
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,640
can't think of any reason to object to

1020
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,720
this. The bureau is the one that has the

1021
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:51,440
experience, the continuous continuous

1022
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,400
experience uh uh dealing with animals.

1023
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,280
the the burrow uh is the one who owns

1024
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,599
and operates the animal shelter and and

1025
00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:02,880
has improved that over time. So, as time

1026
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,079
goes by, they're getting better and

1027
00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:05,599
better. Instead of getting more and more

1028
00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:07,839
complaints, it's getting less and less.

1029
00:39:07,839 --> 00:39:12,640
So, yeah, this is a uh a wise move for

1030
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,560
the city to let people with expertise

1031
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:19,670
handle this. Thank you.

1032
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,359
» Is there further discussion

1033
00:39:23,359 --> 00:39:25,280
hearing? None. Is there an objection to

1034
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,079
the motion?

1035
00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:36,870
Hearing none, the motion is adopted.

1036
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,040
» Next, we have ethics training by city

1037
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:43,030
attorney Holly Wells.

1038
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,560
» Thank you. I'm just gonna I think I use

1039
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,480
this over here, Sarah, or

1040
00:39:48,480 --> 00:40:00,150
>> is it on?

1041
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,240
Okay. So, first I want to say you have a

1042
00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:03,920
PowerPoint in front of you. We're going

1043
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:08,240
to have sort of a ethics training a um

1044
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:10,079
that's incorporated into the meeting to

1045
00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:12,480
the extent that council finds that they

1046
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,960
want a freestanding independent ethics

1047
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,119
training at some point and that would be

1048
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:18,720
a a conversation with the clerk. Of

1049
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:20,720
course, that is something we can do as

1050
00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:22,000
well. But we thought we'd try this

1051
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,480
approach first. Um, in part because

1052
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,359
several council members were on the

1053
00:40:27,359 --> 00:40:30,560
council when we were um when the ethics

1054
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,560
code was adopted in 2022 or were engaged

1055
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,400
in I think there may have been um

1056
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,520
commission members at that time. So it's

1057
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:45,040
a fairly recent code adoption and um so

1058
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,359
hopefully some of these provisions will

1059
00:40:47,359 --> 00:40:51,440
feel familiar and there's a greater

1060
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,599
understanding of them. Uh that said,

1061
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:57,920
this is a um 13 or so page PowerPoint

1062
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,800
and it is designed to be a reference for

1063
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,240
you even though I don't plan on going

1064
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:06,319
through this PowerPoint line by line. I

1065
00:41:06,319 --> 00:41:07,359
don't think that's in your best

1066
00:41:07,359 --> 00:41:09,280
interest.

1067
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,480
Um so moving on, first and foremost, the

1068
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,480
Wasola Code of Ethics has a really

1069
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,079
strong purpose statement. Um, and this

1070
00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:21,200
purpose statement is a guiding

1071
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,359
interpretation

1072
00:41:23,359 --> 00:41:25,839
piece for the city. So, as you're trying

1073
00:41:25,839 --> 00:41:27,760
to when you look at what the prohibited

1074
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,599
acts are or when you're thinking about

1075
00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:33,440
your own conduct as an elected official,

1076
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,359
one of the places to ground yourself is

1077
00:41:35,359 --> 00:41:36,880
in the purpose statement. I'm going to

1078
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,280
read that purpose statement because I

1079
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,359
think that it's helpful to have both in

1080
00:41:41,359 --> 00:41:43,440
the record and for the public to know,

1081
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,079
but also as a reminder. The purpose of

1082
00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:49,200
the Waselis code of ethics uh states

1083
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,760
that the city expects all city officials

1084
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,760
to serve the public with equality,

1085
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,319
honesty, and transparency, and to take

1086
00:41:56,319 --> 00:41:58,079
actions that the official believes best

1087
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:00,240
serve the public and city. The public

1088
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:02,160
has a right to conscientious, loyal,

1089
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,079
faithful, and unbiased service by its

1090
00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:06,160
officials performed free of deceit,

1091
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,560
undue influence, conflict of interest,

1092
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,400
self-enrichment, self-deing,

1093
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,240
concealment, bribery, fraud, and

1094
00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:14,480
corruption. The city has an obligation

1095
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,240
to the public and city officials to

1096
00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:18,560
establish standards of ethical conduct.

1097
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,720
Promote ethics education for all city

1098
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:22,720
officials. Provide clear guidance to

1099
00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:24,560
city officials of the ethical procedures

1100
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,800
and standards of the city. Recommend

1101
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,319
procedures that promote ethical

1102
00:42:28,319 --> 00:42:30,079
behavior. And hold city officials

1103
00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:31,920
responsible and accountable for their

1104
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,000
behavior. and promote procedures that

1105
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,839
protect city officials, employees, and

1106
00:42:35,839 --> 00:42:38,160
members of the public from harassment or

1107
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,160
retribution should they raise concerns

1108
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,319
about activities that do not appear to

1109
00:42:42,319 --> 00:42:45,440
be in line with ethical behaviors. So,

1110
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,680
this is a very strong purpose statement

1111
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,079
as you can see. And one of the things I

1112
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:52,480
can say and you should be very proud of

1113
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,880
is there are very few ethics complaints

1114
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:59,599
in the city. Um, and there are um it is

1115
00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:03,200
very unusual to see violations of the

1116
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,800
ethics code, but the council members do

1117
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,040
also ask questions. Whether you're

1118
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,520
asking of the clerk or you're uh seeking

1119
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,560
advisory opinions of the city attorney,

1120
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,480
you really do use those components of

1121
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,599
your code and it's very healthy um in

1122
00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:24,079
its um in its administration. So the

1123
00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:26,480
other thing to note is that OELA's code

1124
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,599
of ethics is not um blind to the fact

1125
00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:32,000
that you're in a small town and if you

1126
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:36,319
prohibit all interests or actions on

1127
00:43:36,319 --> 00:43:38,319
items that you may have any interests

1128
00:43:38,319 --> 00:43:41,599
that you'll make no decisions at all. So

1129
00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:43,839
that is incorporated into the language

1130
00:43:43,839 --> 00:43:48,400
of the code and it recognizes that

1131
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,640
um that you need to protect the public

1132
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,475
from decisions that involve substantial

1133
00:43:52,475 --> 00:43:54,400
[music] finan financial interests but

1134
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,359
make sure that um the council members

1135
00:43:57,359 --> 00:44:00,319
are engaged in making decisions. um so

1136
00:44:00,319 --> 00:44:03,040
that and that

1137
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,119
people who want to serve as elected

1138
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:07,599
officials retain the rights to personal

1139
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:09,920
and financial interests and that there's

1140
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:15,670
an outlet there for them. So in 2.0130C

1141
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,920
is where you really get language that

1142
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,430
strikes that balance.

1143
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,280
So one of the most important things to

1144
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:24,800
understand with the code of ethics and

1145
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,720
it can get a little confusing is who is

1146
00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:29,119
covered. So, a council when they adopted

1147
00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:32,640
this uh with a code of ethics years ago,

1148
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,960
um although not that many years ago,

1149
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,400
they um they included the city clerk and

1150
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,960
the city attorney as city officials. It

1151
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,520
also includes the elected officials of

1152
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,440
the city and appointees to commissions.

1153
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,440
So, that's an important So, it does not

1154
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:50,880
include and that's what it's important

1155
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,880
to note. It does not include city

1156
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,119
employees. Now, city employees are

1157
00:44:55,119 --> 00:44:57,200
subject to a lot of ethics provisions.

1158
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,760
We'll talk a little bit about that. And

1159
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,079
they and there there are some of these

1160
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:04,800
ethics provisions from title two that

1161
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,800
are incorporated into title three and

1162
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,880
apply to city employees, but the

1163
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,560
consequences of a violation are

1164
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,720
different. All right? So they they may

1165
00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:14,880
be subject to discipline action for

1166
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,440
example whereas

1167
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,440
they the ethics complaint process is

1168
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,760
reserved for these elected and uh

1169
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,440
appointed officials and the city

1170
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:29,430
attorney and the city clerk.

1171
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,200
» I'm not going to spend too much time on

1172
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,520
the conflict of interest piece because I

1173
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,079
feel like that's the piece we work with

1174
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:38,480
regularly. council is and council

1175
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,319
members are repeatedly declaring a

1176
00:45:40,319 --> 00:45:41,760
conflict of interest when they I'm

1177
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,680
sorry, declaring a financial interest

1178
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,800
when they have one and disclosing it and

1179
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,599
then the mayor determines if that

1180
00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:51,599
interest is substantial or is not

1181
00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:54,560
substantial. If the council disagrees

1182
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,160
with the mayor's decision, the council

1183
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,839
can make a motion um and find otherwise.

1184
00:45:59,839 --> 00:46:02,480
Uh similarly if the mayor is the one who

1185
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,079
has a interest um that interest is

1186
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:09,839
decided upon by the council and so that

1187
00:46:09,839 --> 00:46:12,000
basic uh construct I believe all of you

1188
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,680
are familiar with that if anyone feels

1189
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:14,960
like they want to go through that in

1190
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,480
more detail raise your hand okay moving

1191
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,520
on so substantial financial interest

1192
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,520
I've included the provision regarding

1193
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,560
what that is in this uh training I don't

1194
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,640
think we need to go through it I feel

1195
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,520
like you're very familiar with it. Um I

1196
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,359
think one of the things to note is that

1197
00:46:35,359 --> 00:46:37,760
the substantial financial interest test

1198
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,079
adopted by Wasilla

1199
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:43,200
mirrors the test adopted by the courts.

1200
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,319
And so while some municipalities will

1201
00:46:46,319 --> 00:46:49,200
just have a number, Wasilla has a has

1202
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,040
factors that are weighed in determining

1203
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:52,560
whether or not an interest is

1204
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,440
substantial. Those factors are whether

1205
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,599
the financial interest is a substantial

1206
00:46:57,599 --> 00:47:00,000
part of the consideration, whether the

1207
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,920
interest will be significantly impacted

1208
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,000
or changed by the outcome of the

1209
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,400
official action, whether the interest is

1210
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,040
immediate and known or attenuated and

1211
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,680
dependent on factors beyond the official

1212
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,720
action, and whether a reasonable person

1213
00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:16,640
would consider the financial interest

1214
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,040
significant and would expect a person to

1215
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:20,960
take actions and make decisions to

1216
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,440
protect that financial interest. We get

1217
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,280
these from case law. We get these from

1218
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,920
the court. This is what they think a

1219
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,680
financial interest, a substantial

1220
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,839
financial interest looks like. But one

1221
00:47:31,839 --> 00:47:34,720
of the things that Wasa did do to ensure

1222
00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:36,560
that we can answer these questions a

1223
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,839
little easier or have uh it they adopted

1224
00:47:39,839 --> 00:47:43,440
a presumption of substantial financial

1225
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,359
interest for uh interest that with a gr

1226
00:47:47,359 --> 00:47:49,599
greater than $1,000.

1227
00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:52,720
So, what I expect to see as time goes on

1228
00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:54,880
is council considering that number

1229
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,160
because clearly $1,000 today is not

1230
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,119
$1,000 five years from now and $1,000 in

1231
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:04,720
2022 is not even $1,000 today. You know,

1232
00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:06,720
so that's one of the things as council

1233
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:09,359
members, as you're navigating out there,

1234
00:48:09,359 --> 00:48:11,440
remember that the purpose of your ethics

1235
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,200
code is to find balance between

1236
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,440
your interests and your involvement in

1237
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,359
your community and your role as a

1238
00:48:19,359 --> 00:48:21,520
council member or or the role of a

1239
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,880
commissioner. Um, and so that number may

1240
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,480
need to change [music] at times. You

1241
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,960
shouldn't be afraid to talk with the

1242
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,559
clerk about bringing, you know,

1243
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:31,920
sponsorship or bringing something

1244
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,319
forward, if that makes sense.

1245
00:48:34,319 --> 00:48:36,960
Does anybody have any questions so far?

1246
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,559
I'm moving quickly because I want to

1247
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:39,920
cover all of the things and there's

1248
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,359
quite a few prohibited acts. So, but um

1249
00:48:43,359 --> 00:48:45,040
one of the things we incorporated is

1250
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,760
something that also exists in what we

1251
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,160
call common law, right? Under case law,

1252
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,319
and that's called the rule of necessity.

1253
00:48:52,319 --> 00:48:54,880
This is used a lot by the courts

1254
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,480
regardless of whether or not it's in

1255
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,800
your code, but not a lot of communities

1256
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,760
have expressly adopted it. I think one

1257
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,079
of the things that uh the good things

1258
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:06,000
about putting it in your code is you

1259
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,079
know you're going to use it right if you

1260
00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:10,559
end up using it instead of relying on it

1261
00:49:10,559 --> 00:49:12,960
because you didn't have anything to use

1262
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,599
and so just issued a decision or even

1263
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:18,240
worse just become paralyzed and unable

1264
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:19,680
to make a decision. So the rule of

1265
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:24,640
necessity is designed to allow a uh body

1266
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,440
to make a decision when they are not

1267
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:32,559
going to get to a majority vote with

1268
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:34,079
uninterested

1269
00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:36,400
members. So it's one of those things you

1270
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,400
have a very important decision. It has

1271
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,960
to be issued but maybe three of your

1272
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,280
council members have a conflict on that

1273
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,520
thing. And the alternative is that you

1274
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,599
just don't get to make a decision on

1275
00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:50,559
that issue, you know. So that is that is

1276
00:49:50,559 --> 00:49:54,000
not an outcome that

1277
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,760
bodess well for a city if it's an

1278
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,119
important decision that you need to

1279
00:49:57,119 --> 00:49:59,520
make. So what this does is it creates a

1280
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,440
rule of necessity and there's three

1281
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,200
provisions. Um so the provisions are it

1282
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,240
would apply but only where by reason of

1283
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:10,319
being excused for conflicts of interest

1284
00:50:10,319 --> 00:50:12,319
the number of council members is reduced

1285
00:50:12,319 --> 00:50:14,160
to [music] less than the minimum number

1286
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,960
required to approve the official action.

1287
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,559
No other body of the city has

1288
00:50:18,559 --> 00:50:20,400
jurisdiction and authority to take the

1289
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,200
official action. The and the official

1290
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,359
official action cannot be set aside to a

1291
00:50:25,359 --> 00:50:27,680
later date within a reasonable time when

1292
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,760
council could obtain the minimum number

1293
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,599
of members to take action who are not

1294
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:34,160
excused. Basically meaning that conflict

1295
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,760
is just going to be there you know for a

1296
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,520
long period of time and you just cannot

1297
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,280
escape it. So that is the rule of

1298
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:42,960
necessity and it's good for the public

1299
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:44,640
to know about that too because when it

1300
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,520
comes up you know it's unusual.

1301
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,190
>> I don't believe the rule of necessity

1302
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:49,200
» I don't believe the rule of necessity

1303
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:53,040
has been used since this was adopted. So

1304
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,240
it's not it's very very rare.

1305
00:50:56,240 --> 00:50:58,710
>> Thank you. So curiosity kind of thing.

1306
00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:58,720
» Thank you. So curiosity kind of thing.

1307
00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:00,480
Basically what what ends up happening is

1308
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,240
the council's going to vote and it's

1309
00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:03,760
just kind of hey everybody's got a

1310
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,200
conflict of interest here or most of the

1311
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:06,400
council has a conflict of interest.

1312
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,920
We're going to vote on this matter. Does

1313
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,440
anybody can do I ask this? Is a member

1314
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,280
of the public able to step in and say

1315
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,400
hey you know I feel like the vote should

1316
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,160
have gone a different way. I mean, what

1317
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,640
would be the repercussions or actions

1318
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,559
that somebody could take if something

1319
00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:26,400
like this were to happen and basically

1320
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,800
said and they somebody felt that the

1321
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,280
council made a decision completely

1322
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:32,880
biased because of the conflict of

1323
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,040
interest. I mean, is that in place

1324
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,200
somewhere? Well, I mean, I think where

1325
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:38,960
what it is is you would look to case law

1326
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,160
and say the rule of necessity is a rule

1327
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:46,240
of law that is respected and applicable

1328
00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:50,400
and has been found to comply with the

1329
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,119
what is in essence a sub a substantive

1330
00:51:53,119 --> 00:51:55,200
due process consideration. Are you

1331
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,119
making an arbitrary decision? you know,

1332
00:51:57,119 --> 00:51:59,280
and if you're making a quasi judicial

1333
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,400
decision, which council rarely if ever

1334
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,520
does, but in theory could, um, there's a

1335
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,760
provision in your code of ethics that

1336
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,599
allows that gives a hearing officer

1337
00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:17,280
jurisdiction to hear a uh to to hear a

1338
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,160
matter if the rule of necessity would

1339
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,400
otherwise be triggered. So you protect

1340
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,559
in that sense and if it's going to be

1341
00:52:24,559 --> 00:52:26,480
quasi judicial

1342
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,440
it would go to a hearing officer because

1343
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,359
under the rule of necessity it says if

1344
00:52:31,359 --> 00:52:33,760
anybody else has jurisdiction to hear it

1345
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:35,359
right that they they're going to hear

1346
00:52:35,359 --> 00:52:38,079
it. You can only decide it if there's no

1347
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:40,400
if no other body or person has

1348
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,000
jurisdiction to hear it. So you

1349
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,359
protected those quasi judicial pieces,

1350
00:52:45,359 --> 00:52:48,720
but in the realm of legislation,

1351
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:51,920
this code would protect you legally if

1352
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,040
it's followed. And that's why um that

1353
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,119
doesn't mean, you know, so it could go

1354
00:52:57,119 --> 00:52:58,800
to court. And again, you never know

1355
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,400
what's going to happen in court, but you

1356
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:05,599
would have local law and state case law

1357
00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:08,000
that supported the cities what the city

1358
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,280
did, which is pretty um pretty strong

1359
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:12,000
support

1360
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,806
>> to follow up. Um and it's

1361
00:53:13,806 --> 00:53:13,816
» to follow up. Um and it's

1362
00:53:13,816 --> 00:53:14,960
[clears throat] I guess I wasn't asking

1363
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:16,480
the question of whether they had the

1364
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,000
right to make the vote. Obviously, they

1365
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,800
do. It's more so a resident said, "Hey,

1366
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,000
I don't think that was the way you

1367
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,839
should have voted that I believe you

1368
00:53:23,839 --> 00:53:26,240
were biased and that you voted in favor

1369
00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:29,280
of your bias." Uh does somebody have a

1370
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,599
repercussion or or would you basically

1371
00:53:31,599 --> 00:53:32,960
like what you said it just needs to end

1372
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,960
up in court at that point or hope that

1373
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:36,640
the council goes obviously we're biased

1374
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,800
here so we're going to say no or yes

1375
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,720
whatever the factor might be to to make

1376
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:42,319
the decision so that

1377
00:53:42,319 --> 00:53:44,230
>> they can kind of say hey we even though

1378
00:53:44,230 --> 00:53:44,240
» they can kind of say hey we even though

1379
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:46,400
we're biased we're going to not go do

1380
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,000
this thing or do this thing depending on

1381
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:49,839
how what the outcome was.

1382
00:53:49,839 --> 00:53:51,430
>> Yeah. I mean I think what council will

1383
00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:51,440
» Yeah. I mean I think what council will

1384
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,599
have to do is try not to be arbitrary.

1385
00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:55,440
You know, that's that's the only and

1386
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,680
that's what you can say to the public is

1387
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,319
we had to use the rule of necessity. We

1388
00:54:00,319 --> 00:54:02,400
worked really hard to issue findings

1389
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,720
like to share our reasons to make sure

1390
00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:06,400
we had reasons and to make sure we

1391
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,280
didn't make an arbitrary decision.

1392
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,520
We can't guarantee that our biases sort

1393
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,800
of didn't come into, you know, our

1394
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,839
votes, but we can we can guarantee that

1395
00:54:17,839 --> 00:54:19,599
we do not make an arbitrary decision,

1396
00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:21,599
which ultimately is what the courts are

1397
00:54:21,599 --> 00:54:23,760
looking at. when you make a legislative

1398
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,480
decision that is the question. I mean

1399
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,240
obviously there's if you make a decision

1400
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:30,160
that violates some other federal or

1401
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,960
state law or you know is discriminatory

1402
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,040
or violates the constitution but other

1403
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:36,800
than that assuming it doesn't do those

1404
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,000
things the question is have you made a

1405
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,559
decision that is uh that is not

1406
00:54:42,559 --> 00:54:44,400
unreasonable

1407
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,119
that is intentional so to make it even

1408
00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:49,599
sort of less it's not

1409
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:51,359
that has to be unreasonable has to be

1410
00:54:51,359 --> 00:54:54,720
not unreasonable or arbitrary.

1411
00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:58,640
So that's Thank you.

1412
00:54:58,640 --> 00:54:59,109
>> And

1413
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:59,119
» And

1414
00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:01,750
>> Madam Deputy Mayor Tim Johnson,

1415
00:55:01,750 --> 00:55:01,760
» Madam Deputy Mayor Tim Johnson,

1416
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:05,109
>> Councilman Johnson.

1417
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:05,119
» Councilman Johnson.

1418
00:55:05,119 --> 00:55:08,630
>> Uh, the way I'm seeing this is the rule

1419
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:08,640
» Uh, the way I'm seeing this is the rule

1420
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,599
of necessity then will actually protect

1421
00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:14,720
the councilmen that would have the

1422
00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:17,200
conflict of interest, but it really

1423
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,000
wouldn't take the council as a whole off

1424
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,280
the hook. Is that correct?

1425
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,510
>> Yeah. I mean, I think you still have to

1426
00:55:25,510 --> 00:55:25,520
» Yeah. I mean, I think you still have to

1427
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:29,440
act in a way that's not unreasonable and

1428
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,599
is not arbitrary, you know. So, council

1429
00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:33,680
will still need to do that. The rule of

1430
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,640
necessity says, look, we either can make

1431
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:40,400
a decision and govern or we can do

1432
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,599
nothing and not be able to govern a

1433
00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:47,760
particular area of um you know, of our

1434
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:49,680
that's within our authority that we need

1435
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:53,280
to be doing. So, it's it's pro it's it's

1436
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,000
designed to protect the keep the wheels

1437
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,040
turning on a city, you know, or a

1438
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:02,640
burrow, any municipality really. Does

1439
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:04,079
that answer your question question,

1440
00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:05,599
Council Member Johnson? So, I don't know

1441
00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:06,880
if they're really on the hook, but

1442
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,119
you're right that they're on the hook to

1443
00:56:09,119 --> 00:56:11,200
make decisions in the same way that they

1444
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,040
normally

1445
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:14,880
are required

1446
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:15,760
to do.

1447
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,030
>> Yes, that would be the way I'd

1448
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:17,040
» Yes, that would be the way I'd

1449
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,680
understand it. It would provide a path

1450
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,839
forward.

1451
00:56:21,839 --> 00:56:23,910
>> Yes, exactly.

1452
00:56:23,910 --> 00:56:23,920
» Yes, exactly.

1453
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,160
And again, hasn't come up. So, it's just

1454
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,480
it's an interesting

1455
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,480
uh rule. It's important that it's there,

1456
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:34,400
but so far we haven't had to to use it.

1457
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,559
Thank goodness.

1458
00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:40,480
So, um and council member Johnson, I am

1459
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,599
not sure. We're on slide seven and I

1460
00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:44,960
have not been cute. I haven't been

1461
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,359
saying that. I'm sorry.

1462
00:56:47,359 --> 00:56:50,630
That's helpful.

1463
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,880
Okay.

1464
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:56,720
And we're moving on to slide eight.

1465
00:56:56,720 --> 00:56:58,880
And so here what we're really looking

1466
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:00,880
at. So there's the conflict of interest.

1467
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:02,319
That's where we spend most of our time

1468
00:57:02,319 --> 00:57:03,839
with code of ethics, but lots of

1469
00:57:03,839 --> 00:57:05,680
communities have conflicts of interest

1470
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:09,200
provisions. So where where is it that we

1471
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,000
really start to see the meat of your

1472
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,400
code? And that is in the prohibited acts

1473
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,960
that are listed in 2.01.

1474
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:20,400
uh 060 and that is where we look at all

1475
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,400
we have like sort of a laundry list of

1476
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,200
things that city officials are

1477
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:29,040
prohibited from doing. So one the city

1478
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:30,880
officials are prohibited from making

1479
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:32,799
false statements.

1480
00:57:32,799 --> 00:57:34,880
So this is important to note. So they

1481
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,119
cannot make false statements in order to

1482
00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:39,200
influence official action. So that means

1483
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,319
we're not out there policing the

1484
00:57:42,319 --> 00:57:44,480
statements of city officials in all

1485
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:49,760
areas, right? We uh we do however um the

1486
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:54,559
city does have the ability to um to look

1487
00:57:54,559 --> 00:57:56,160
at false statements that are made to

1488
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,400
influence official action. And remember,

1489
00:57:58,400 --> 00:57:59,520
we'll talk about this a little bit

1490
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,359
later, but we have an e the ethics

1491
00:58:01,359 --> 00:58:03,599
complaint process means that the public

1492
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:06,720
also can hold city officials accountable

1493
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,359
for what are perceived or alleged false

1494
00:58:09,359 --> 00:58:12,079
statements. Uh inappropriate use of

1495
00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:14,880
title or authority. So that is also

1496
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,520
prohibited. No city official shall use

1497
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,599
the implied authority of their office or

1498
00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:21,440
position for the purpose of unduly

1499
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,160
influencing the decisions of others or

1500
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,000
promoting more personal interests within

1501
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,480
the community unless duly appointed by

1502
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,000
council to represent the interests of

1503
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,240
the full council. Council members shall

1504
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,319
refrain from implying the representation

1505
00:58:34,319 --> 00:58:36,960
of the whole uh by the use of their

1506
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,359
title. So, this is one of those things.

1507
00:58:39,359 --> 00:58:42,240
It it I highly recommend

1508
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,119
just calling the clerk as your first

1509
00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:48,640
step in the process when sometimes

1510
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,720
you're going to be at an event and

1511
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:52,480
you're not really sure what hat you have

1512
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,400
on and you're not really sure if you're

1513
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:57,520
there in an official capacity. There it

1514
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:00,559
can get the lines can get blurred. um

1515
00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:04,079
especially when um you know there may be

1516
00:59:04,079 --> 00:59:08,079
sort of a lobbying effort in Juno or a

1517
00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:10,319
attending a chamber meeting and you're

1518
00:59:10,319 --> 00:59:12,079
wearing many hats, you know. So it's

1519
00:59:12,079 --> 00:59:15,680
just it's a good uh this is a good one

1520
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:17,760
to keep your eye on and make sure you

1521
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:19,839
watch and sometimes just get comfortable

1522
00:59:19,839 --> 00:59:21,359
saying things like I'm here in my

1523
00:59:21,359 --> 00:59:23,760
private capacity or this is my opinion

1524
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:27,680
in my personal capacity. Um, and then

1525
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,240
for council to when you want someone to

1526
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:33,119
speak for council, making sure you give

1527
00:59:33,119 --> 00:59:36,240
them the protection uh to do that by

1528
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,799
passing a resolution or something um

1529
00:59:38,799 --> 00:59:41,680
that puts them in that position. So

1530
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,480
representing private interests um is

1531
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,119
also prohibited. So no city official

1532
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:49,280
shall for compensation and that is an

1533
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,280
important distinction represent or

1534
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:53,040
assist those representing private

1535
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,040
business or personal interest before

1536
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:58,960
council administration or any city board

1537
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:04,559
um any city board commission or agency.

1538
01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:06,720
Nothing in this section, however,

1539
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:08,559
prevents an official from making verbal

1540
01:00:08,559 --> 01:00:10,400
or written inquiries on behalf of

1541
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,119
constituents or the general public to

1542
01:00:13,119 --> 01:00:15,040
elements of city government or from

1543
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,119
requesting explanations or additional

1544
01:00:17,119 --> 01:00:18,640
information on behalf of their

1545
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:21,040
constituents. No official may solicit or

1546
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,200
accept a benefit or anything of value

1547
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:24,480
from any [music] person for having

1548
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,119
performed this service. This is just

1549
01:00:27,119 --> 01:00:31,119
trying to prevent that dance between a

1550
01:00:31,119 --> 01:00:36,000
council member as a persuasive

1551
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,520
vote on council and voice on council and

1552
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,319
a consultant in the community where

1553
01:00:42,319 --> 01:00:44,319
people are compensating you because of

1554
01:00:44,319 --> 01:00:46,079
the power of your voice with the very

1555
01:00:46,079 --> 01:00:47,920
body you're trying to influence. Right?

1556
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,640
So that is what these uh prohibitions

1557
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:52,559
against representing private interests

1558
01:00:52,559 --> 01:00:54,640
are designed to address. A lot of

1559
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,559
communities have both this one and the

1560
01:00:56,559 --> 01:00:59,440
inappropriate use or title. Uh, a lot of

1561
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:00,880
communities have both of those. They'll

1562
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:02,559
have them as separate or distinct

1563
01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:04,559
provisions, though not necessarily

1564
01:01:04,559 --> 01:01:09,040
incorporated into a code of ethics.

1565
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,200
So, another pro prohibition is one

1566
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,280
against disseminating confidential

1567
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:14,799
information.

1568
01:01:14,799 --> 01:01:17,760
Most uh most communities prohibit this

1569
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:21,359
in some way, but a lot of them fail to

1570
01:01:21,359 --> 01:01:23,200
codify it in a way that it can be

1571
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:26,319
enforced. And so this is something that

1572
01:01:26,319 --> 01:01:29,440
was chosen to do.

1573
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:33,280
Uh the other is gratuitities is another

1574
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,520
prohibition. It's really important for

1575
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:37,040
you to read that one. That's another one

1576
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:38,640
with a number. So it's another one to

1577
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:40,319
keep in mind. The number right now is

1578
01:01:40,319 --> 01:01:43,680
meals under $75 in value are not

1579
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:46,079
prohibited. I believe that that's the

1580
01:01:46,079 --> 01:01:48,400
same thing for gifts. Nothing uh it's

1581
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:52,240
not prohibited if it's an occasional

1582
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,640
what they call non-puniary gift and it's

1583
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:59,680
less than $75 in value. Um also it's not

1584
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:01,599
prohibited to receive a gift presented

1585
01:02:01,599 --> 01:02:03,680
by an employer to its employees in

1586
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,760
recognition of meritorious service or

1587
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,319
civic or public awards.

1588
01:02:08,319 --> 01:02:11,280
um any discounts or prizes that are

1589
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,040
generally available to the public or

1590
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:15,200
large sections of the public. When you

1591
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:16,799
serve as a council member or city

1592
01:02:16,799 --> 01:02:18,960
official, you don't lose your right to

1593
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,280
be and participate as a member of the

1594
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,440
public. So, any benefit that goes to the

1595
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:29,359
public, um any um prizes, any fun,

1596
01:02:29,359 --> 01:02:32,319
you know, handout or I don't know,

1597
01:02:32,319 --> 01:02:34,799
privilege or it's not you're never going

1598
01:02:34,799 --> 01:02:37,040
to be asked to forfeit that because we

1599
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:38,640
can't because you have the same

1600
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:39,760
protections. [snorts]

1601
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,119
Not because we can. I'm not saying the

1602
01:02:41,119 --> 01:02:42,480
city would take that from you if they

1603
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,520
could. I'm just saying that uh that

1604
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:47,599
that's one way to think of it is am I

1605
01:02:47,599 --> 01:02:49,280
participating as a member of the public?

1606
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:50,720
if you come across something and you

1607
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,200
wonder can I do this as a council member

1608
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:54,640
you know the answer is going to be yes

1609
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,599
if it's open to the public um and now

1610
01:02:57,599 --> 01:03:00,079
that said to the extent can you all do

1611
01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:02,240
it together at a specific time that

1612
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:03,520
might be different under the open

1613
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:07,760
meetings act um so here are your so

1614
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:09,119
gratuitities you want to pay attention

1615
01:03:09,119 --> 01:03:10,799
to that number you want to pay attention

1616
01:03:10,799 --> 01:03:13,760
to because things are going up really

1617
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:17,119
fast you know and I feel like $75 should

1618
01:03:17,119 --> 01:03:19,680
be fine to cover a meal

1619
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:22,160
But I think you should be watching your

1620
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:25,039
your checks on that just because I think

1621
01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:27,680
it's starting to it's starting to go up.

1622
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,240
Um and you could have a nice dinner and

1623
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,079
a few drinks when you're in a position

1624
01:03:32,079 --> 01:03:35,599
where you're you know you are um that

1625
01:03:35,599 --> 01:03:37,280
would normally be something you don't

1626
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,799
think about. Someone offers to to um

1627
01:03:40,799 --> 01:03:44,400
treat you and you're at $85. I can't

1628
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,400
believe I'm saying that but that

1629
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:50,480
possible. Um, so, uh, use of city

1630
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,839
property for personal purposes is also

1631
01:03:53,839 --> 01:03:55,280
prohibited. So, you want to make sure

1632
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,760
you read that to the if you're in a

1633
01:03:57,760 --> 01:03:59,119
position where you're using city

1634
01:03:59,119 --> 01:04:00,799
property. You know, I think you can

1635
01:04:00,799 --> 01:04:02,480
ignore it unless that unless that

1636
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:06,160
occurs. Um,

1637
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:08,559
and we've got more. Political activities

1638
01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:11,200
are prohibited. Um, certain political

1639
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:12,799
activities. And this one's really

1640
01:04:12,799 --> 01:04:15,119
important to pay attention to because

1641
01:04:15,119 --> 01:04:17,599
this is another one you can fall into. A

1642
01:04:17,599 --> 01:04:19,520
city official may not take an active

1643
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:21,839
part in a political campaign or other

1644
01:04:21,839 --> 01:04:24,799
political activity when on duty. Now,

1645
01:04:24,799 --> 01:04:27,520
nothing here prevents city officials

1646
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:29,520
from exercising a right to vote,

1647
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:31,839
contribute to a campaign or a candidate,

1648
01:04:31,839 --> 01:04:33,839
or expressing officials political views

1649
01:04:33,839 --> 01:04:36,720
when they are not on duty or engaging

1650
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:38,720
with the public in their capacity as a

1651
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:40,640
city official. But what you have to

1652
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:43,599
watch is if you show up somewhere and

1653
01:04:43,599 --> 01:04:47,119
you introduce yourself as a city council

1654
01:04:47,119 --> 01:04:49,119
member or you're attending something and

1655
01:04:49,119 --> 01:04:50,640
you're talking about the interests of

1656
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:52,799
council or you're there in your capacity

1657
01:04:52,799 --> 01:04:55,280
as a member of council and then you

1658
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:56,960
start sharing your political viewpoints

1659
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,839
on a candidate. Um that is something to

1660
01:04:59,839 --> 01:05:03,119
be very wary of. uh it's very easy to

1661
01:05:03,119 --> 01:05:06,160
either get sideways or perhaps more

1662
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:08,480
importantly appear to get sideways of

1663
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:11,200
this pro prohibition. And while ethics

1664
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:14,000
complaints um there they there's a

1665
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,079
process to vet them and make sure that

1666
01:05:16,079 --> 01:05:20,720
you are not you are not

1667
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:22,400
sanctioned or there are no remedies

1668
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:23,920
given for a violation that does not

1669
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,640
occur. It is still a process and it is

1670
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:29,200
still unnerving to go through a process

1671
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:30,799
when people think there's a violation.

1672
01:05:30,799 --> 01:05:33,599
So, for that reason, I would say really

1673
01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:35,440
pay attention to what hat you have on

1674
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:37,520
and how you're communicating. And if you

1675
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:40,000
have any questions about that, either

1676
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,160
get an advisory opinion so you have that

1677
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:45,760
to sort of carry around with you or or

1678
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:48,000
um call the clerk and kind of talk it

1679
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,240
through if that's okay, Jamie, first and

1680
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:53,440
then she can help you identify what best

1681
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:56,720
steps, next steps. I'm gonna take a

1682
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:59,119
breath. Anybody have any questions? I've

1683
01:05:59,119 --> 01:06:01,760
gone through quite a few.

1684
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,079
Okay. Is this pace okay or is this a

1685
01:06:04,079 --> 01:06:07,039
little too quick? Not quick enough.

1686
01:06:07,039 --> 01:06:08,710
>> Okay. All right. I'll keep going. All

1687
01:06:08,710 --> 01:06:08,720
» Okay. All right. I'll keep going. All

1688
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:11,039
right. Improper influence. A city

1689
01:06:11,039 --> 01:06:13,520
official may not contact the employer of

1690
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:15,760
other city officials or threaten

1691
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,400
financial harm to other city officials

1692
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,240
um in an attempt to influence their

1693
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:22,480
actions, votes, or positions. This is

1694
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,880
something you would not something I've

1695
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:27,280
seen in Wasela, but I have seen this

1696
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,200
numerous times. And so this is an

1697
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,039
important one to have in your code, but

1698
01:06:31,039 --> 01:06:34,559
um so far maybe not for you guys. You're

1699
01:06:34,559 --> 01:06:37,039
doing great. So impartiality in

1700
01:06:37,039 --> 01:06:40,640
conducting city business. Um

1701
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:44,880
this one is very very strong for a

1702
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:47,359
community. Um and it was something that

1703
01:06:47,359 --> 01:06:49,359
council wanted and it's in line with

1704
01:06:49,359 --> 01:06:52,000
your oath. But I I just want you to be

1705
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:55,359
aware that the prohibition against

1706
01:06:55,359 --> 01:06:57,680
acting impartially when conducting city

1707
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:02,000
business in a blanket sense is very um

1708
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,400
very strong. Now that said, almost every

1709
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:06,240
community has an element of that in

1710
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:08,400
their oath of office, but a few carry it

1711
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:10,640
through in their code. What it means is

1712
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:13,599
the way I interpret this is there are

1713
01:07:13,599 --> 01:07:15,440
the actions you take as council members

1714
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:17,359
that come before you as a body. There's

1715
01:07:17,359 --> 01:07:19,039
procurement. There's all of those

1716
01:07:19,039 --> 01:07:22,160
things. So you declare any substant or

1717
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:24,079
any financial interest you have. Council

1718
01:07:24,079 --> 01:07:26,400
decides if it's substantial and that's

1719
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,839
sort of the model for that right. Uh as

1720
01:07:29,839 --> 01:07:33,760
far as partiality whether or not you are

1721
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:37,119
impartial that you need to disclose that

1722
01:07:37,119 --> 01:07:40,160
and that is something that is determined

1723
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:43,520
in a quasi judicial proceeding. Here

1724
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:46,240
there is a presumption that you will

1725
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:51,039
tell you know you will disclose if you

1726
01:07:51,039 --> 01:07:53,200
are acting impartially or in a position

1727
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:56,079
to act impartially which means when we

1728
01:07:56,079 --> 01:07:58,160
look at what that what what the

1729
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:00,319
difference between being say having a

1730
01:08:00,319 --> 01:08:02,160
substantial financial interest which is

1731
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:05,599
tangible and being partial or impartial

1732
01:08:05,599 --> 01:08:08,400
it really comes down to what

1733
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:11,200
you believe right what you do you think

1734
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:14,160
you're partial or impartial for purposes

1735
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:18,159
of legislative actions. And so the only

1736
01:08:18,159 --> 01:08:22,560
so if this comes up where you are

1737
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:24,960
sponsoring or introducing an ordinance

1738
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:27,040
or an action

1739
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:28,640
then we're going to look at would a

1740
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:30,400
reason what would a reasonable person

1741
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:32,400
believe you know would they believe that

1742
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:34,480
there's but if you were acting in your

1743
01:08:34,480 --> 01:08:36,799
passive role as a council member and

1744
01:08:36,799 --> 01:08:38,480
things are coming to you I think we

1745
01:08:38,480 --> 01:08:41,839
would based on the law we would be

1746
01:08:41,839 --> 01:08:45,040
looking at you to act lawfully and

1747
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:46,480
comply with the law. So, that's just

1748
01:08:46,480 --> 01:08:48,080
sort of to give you some because that

1749
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,560
one's really hard. It's hard to

1750
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:52,719
navigate. Um, but when in doubt,

1751
01:08:52,719 --> 01:08:54,880
disclose. Raise the issue if you think

1752
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:58,400
that you may be um impartial or if

1753
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:01,040
you're you're I or partial or if you're

1754
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:03,600
certain that you're impartial, but you

1755
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,839
want the public to know that this is

1756
01:09:05,839 --> 01:09:07,839
your best friend or this is somebody

1757
01:09:07,839 --> 01:09:11,040
that you know that there's some interest

1758
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:14,319
that exists there. Um, but that you feel

1759
01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:16,000
like you could make a

1760
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:18,239
impartial decision, you know, so that's

1761
01:09:18,239 --> 01:09:20,560
a conversation with the public. Any

1762
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,359
questions on that one?

1763
01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:26,480
Okay. Um,

1764
01:09:26,480 --> 01:09:28,239
all right. Employment and financial

1765
01:09:28,239 --> 01:09:29,839
disclosures. talked a little bit about

1766
01:09:29,839 --> 01:09:32,799
this, so I won't go into it too much um

1767
01:09:32,799 --> 01:09:37,679
as far as um you know who the code

1768
01:09:37,679 --> 01:09:40,000
covers, but it's also important for you

1769
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:41,920
to remember that council member during

1770
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:43,759
your term council members may not

1771
01:09:43,759 --> 01:09:45,679
represent or advise a person in any

1772
01:09:45,679 --> 01:09:48,480
manner pending before a city body. So

1773
01:09:48,480 --> 01:09:50,719
that's a restriction that can be can

1774
01:09:50,719 --> 01:09:52,480
have a cost, you know, so it's very

1775
01:09:52,480 --> 01:09:54,000
important the council members are aware

1776
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:57,040
of that. Um during also during the term

1777
01:09:57,040 --> 01:10:00,000
for which uh elected and for one year

1778
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,000
after leaving office, city council

1779
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,320
members and the mayor are not eligible

1780
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:06,800
for city employment unless it comes back

1781
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:09,520
to council and they approve it, which I

1782
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:10,640
don't know, Jamie, has that ever

1783
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:12,640
happened where we've had

1784
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:13,750
>> not to my knowledge.

1785
01:10:13,750 --> 01:10:13,760
» not to my knowledge.

1786
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:15,189
>> Okay.

1787
01:10:15,189 --> 01:10:15,199
» Okay.

1788
01:10:15,199 --> 01:10:17,750
>> Um finally, don't forget to complete

1789
01:10:17,750 --> 01:10:17,760
» Um finally, don't forget to complete

1790
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:19,360
your financial disclosure statements

1791
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:21,440
every year and that's in that lives in

1792
01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:26,070
the code of ethics as well.

1793
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:27,920
So, another area that's encompassed into

1794
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:29,440
the code of ethics, and this has been in

1795
01:10:29,440 --> 01:10:31,120
your code for a long time, but it was

1796
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:33,760
moved over to the code of ethics um when

1797
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:35,280
it was when the code of ethics was

1798
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:38,080
adopted. Um

1799
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:40,960
so, this deals with contracting and

1800
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:44,000
purchasing for the city. And it states

1801
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:45,679
that a city official who has a financial

1802
01:10:45,679 --> 01:10:47,840
interest in any bid or proposal for a

1803
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:49,600
city contract shall disclose that

1804
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,560
interest by filing a written notice uh

1805
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:55,520
of that interest with the purchasing

1806
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:57,280
officer. And that has to be done not

1807
01:10:57,280 --> 01:10:59,120
less than 10 business days before

1808
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:01,360
submission of the bid or proposal in

1809
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:03,679
which the official has an interest. This

1810
01:11:03,679 --> 01:11:06,159
is a hard one to comply with because you

1811
01:11:06,159 --> 01:11:09,199
don't necessarily know. You have to be

1812
01:11:09,199 --> 01:11:11,120
watching and it has to be triggered. And

1813
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:12,560
I think this is something that I know

1814
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:14,640
the administration is working on to

1815
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:17,760
ensure that you get that trigger if they

1816
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:21,440
know right. So because when you look at

1817
01:11:21,440 --> 01:11:23,120
it so it's basically it's going to be

1818
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:27,679
appointees and council and the city

1819
01:11:27,679 --> 01:11:29,199
clerk and the city attorney. I mean it

1820
01:11:29,199 --> 01:11:34,400
will impact us but uh um so basically 10

1821
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:37,360
days before submission of the bidder

1822
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:40,239
proposal in which the official has an

1823
01:11:40,239 --> 01:11:42,480
interest. So that

1824
01:11:42,480 --> 01:11:44,159
you may have an interest in a bid or

1825
01:11:44,159 --> 01:11:46,080
proposal and not know when it's getting

1826
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:48,159
submitted. Does that make sense? So this

1827
01:11:48,159 --> 01:11:51,520
is one that it really takes everyone's

1828
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:54,320
involvement to help uh ensure that

1829
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:56,800
there's compliance I think in some

1830
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:58,719
cases. In some cases, it'll be very

1831
01:11:58,719 --> 01:12:01,679
obvious if you know if you have a family

1832
01:12:01,679 --> 01:12:04,880
member living in your household who is

1833
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:06,400
submitting a bid. You're going to know

1834
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:08,159
they're submitting a bid, right? If

1835
01:12:08,159 --> 01:12:09,840
they're going in and submitting, but

1836
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:11,280
you're not going to necessarily know

1837
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:13,840
that if it's um you know, if maybe one

1838
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:16,000
of your kids runs a business and you

1839
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:19,600
know, or they or they're a subcontractor

1840
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:22,400
and they're pulled in on the uh on the

1841
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:24,480
bid. So, there's a lot of circumstances

1842
01:12:24,480 --> 01:12:27,040
here. So, just be aware that it's there.

1843
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:30,400
And then, um, you know, that's one that

1844
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:33,280
the administration can work with the

1845
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:35,760
council members on. The other piece of

1846
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:37,679
this is

1847
01:12:37,679 --> 01:12:41,440
if if you determine that there has been

1848
01:12:41,440 --> 01:12:44,480
a misstep, just tell the clerk as soon

1849
01:12:44,480 --> 01:12:46,159
as possible because then we can

1850
01:12:46,159 --> 01:12:49,520
retroactively address it. Sorry. And um,

1851
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:51,280
and bring that before counsel in a way

1852
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:54,560
that sort of ratifies it if it's not

1853
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:56,960
um if it's not intentional because I do

1854
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:58,239
again I think this one's a little

1855
01:12:58,239 --> 01:13:01,280
difficult um but importance it's

1856
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:03,840
probably so let's see all right the

1857
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:06,239
other thing to note here

1858
01:13:06,239 --> 01:13:08,719
um

1859
01:13:08,719 --> 01:13:10,960
so the purchasing officer posts the

1860
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:12,960
written notice at the place maintained

1861
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:15,360
for the posting of public not uh public

1862
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:17,040
notices at city hall so that's just

1863
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:18,800
another thing to note so when you see it

1864
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:22,159
up there you're not surprised um no city

1865
01:13:22,159 --> 01:13:24,080
official has a financial interest in any

1866
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:26,560
bid or proposal for a city contract may

1867
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:28,480
participate in the city's decision to

1868
01:13:28,480 --> 01:13:33,510
award the contract. Um

1869
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:36,080
um that's I think we are all comfortable

1870
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:38,719
and know that uh no city official may

1871
01:13:38,719 --> 01:13:40,239
solicit or receive any form of

1872
01:13:40,239 --> 01:13:42,480
compensation from any party other than

1873
01:13:42,480 --> 01:13:44,080
the city in connection with the awarding

1874
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:46,719
of a city contract.

1875
01:13:46,719 --> 01:13:49,679
Uh that one is um you know sort of

1876
01:13:49,679 --> 01:13:51,199
common sense but I think one of the

1877
01:13:51,199 --> 01:13:53,280
other things here is this provision

1878
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:56,640
remains it we it hasn't been changed to

1879
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:59,440
add more restrictive

1880
01:13:59,440 --> 01:14:01,840
um consequences. This came from your

1881
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:06,159
code and it is worth noting that it says

1882
01:14:06,159 --> 01:14:08,560
uh anyone who violates this is guilty of

1883
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:10,800
a a misconduct in office and a violation

1884
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:12,400
of the oath of office. A contract

1885
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:14,400
entered into in violation of the section

1886
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:16,560
is voidable by council.

1887
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:20,960
So, um, you know, it's pretty

1888
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:23,040
the it's very clear that the Wasilla

1889
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:25,280
City Council wants arms length

1890
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:27,280
transactions, especially when it comes

1891
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:30,880
to procurement and has adopted codes to

1892
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:33,840
make that happen. And um, and again, I

1893
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:35,679
think that

1894
01:14:35,679 --> 01:14:37,280
council does a great job of complying

1895
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:39,520
with these things. So, this is training,

1896
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:41,760
not warning, you know. [laughter]

1897
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:45,040
Uh, does anybody have any questions

1898
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:49,040
so far? No. Okay, moving on. Uh, just a

1899
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,199
reminder, this does not apply to city

1900
01:14:51,199 --> 01:14:53,440
employees. I do worry because we start

1901
01:14:53,440 --> 01:14:55,040
talking about city officials. City

1902
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:57,360
officials often do encompass employees

1903
01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:00,480
and other arenas. So, a lot of times

1904
01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:04,800
we'll try to impute these provisions and

1905
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:06,560
private acts on employees. So we just

1906
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:08,320
always want to make keep that separation

1907
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:13,760
in mind. That says uh that said the um

1908
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:17,120
title 3 does encompass a lot of these uh

1909
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:20,000
into the personnel policies the list of

1910
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:22,159
prohibited acts for example an employee

1911
01:15:22,159 --> 01:15:24,080
who has a financial interest as defined

1912
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:26,800
in the ethics code whether it's direct

1913
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:29,120
or indirect in the sale of any lands

1914
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:34,560
materials supplies or services um is um

1915
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:36,320
does have a requirement to tell the

1916
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:38,080
mayor and disclose that interest to the

1917
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:40,880
mayor And generally what needs to happen

1918
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:44,640
is that an employee is um screened off

1919
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:47,199
or not permitted to make any official

1920
01:15:47,199 --> 01:15:49,520
take any official action on those on

1921
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:51,199
that matter. So it's a very similar

1922
01:15:51,199 --> 01:15:52,640
process. It's just done under an

1923
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:55,360
employment process. Um all right. So how

1924
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:57,600
do you stay out of trouble?

1925
01:15:57,600 --> 01:15:59,840
Right? Because this is a lot of rules.

1926
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:02,400
Right? Uh you talk to your city clerk.

1927
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:04,800
Uh as you all know I don't have to tell

1928
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:08,000
you this. was an incredibly competent,

1929
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,320
knowledgeable, experienced city clerk

1930
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:13,040
and deputy city clerk as well. So, you

1931
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:16,880
have this this is a great resource and

1932
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:19,199
just have the talk. Um, one of the

1933
01:16:19,199 --> 01:16:21,679
things I get that really scares me if

1934
01:16:21,679 --> 01:16:24,239
people are afraid of these laws, that is

1935
01:16:24,239 --> 01:16:27,760
when they are most likely to run a foul

1936
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:30,000
of them and those ethics complaints

1937
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:34,960
start start coming in. If we're um

1938
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:37,199
willing to make mistakes and disclose

1939
01:16:37,199 --> 01:16:39,440
them then we can navigate these things

1940
01:16:39,440 --> 01:16:41,920
usually. Um

1941
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:45,520
it's a lot easier. Um also attend Oh no

1942
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:46,880
I don't want to leave there. Okay.

1943
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:48,560
Attend regularly scheduled ethics

1944
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:50,159
trainings and making sure we have them

1945
01:16:50,159 --> 01:16:51,760
even if we do them this way and we just

1946
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:54,080
kind of get it all out there and maybe

1947
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:56,960
we you know in a couple months we have

1948
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:59,360
another one so it's just you know stays

1949
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:02,640
rough on our minds. Um, and then, um,

1950
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:04,640
it's important to know, and I know the

1951
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:07,120
council members are aware of this, but,

1952
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:09,920
uh, use the advisory opinion component

1953
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:12,080
because you can ask and you'll get an

1954
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:13,840
opinion and we do try to turn them

1955
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:18,080
around fairly quickly and that will it's

1956
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:20,560
binding, you know, on the city and they

1957
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:22,640
and it's and it protects the council

1958
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:25,600
members from ethics complaints. Um, so

1959
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:29,840
that's a really powerful tool.

1960
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:31,360
And then I get to just Disclose,

1961
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:33,520
disclose, disclose if there's a problem.

1962
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:35,840
And that is

1963
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:38,400
sort of your

1964
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:40,719
ethics training on the code of ethics.

1965
01:17:40,719 --> 01:17:44,080
Are there any questions?

1966
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:49,750
Any concerns?

1967
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:52,960
» All right. Thank you, Holly.

1968
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:54,950
>> We are now at communications. Madame

1969
01:17:54,950 --> 01:17:54,960
» We are now at communications. Madame

1970
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:57,199
Clerk, please read the items by title.

1971
01:17:57,199 --> 01:17:59,189
>> Thank you. Thank you, Madam Deputy

1972
01:17:59,189 --> 01:17:59,199
» Thank you. Thank you, Madam Deputy

1973
01:17:59,199 --> 01:18:01,360
Mayor. Item number 2518, the Lake

1974
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:03,280
Lucille Park [clears throat] playground

1975
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:05,920
removal. I am number 2519, monthly

1976
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:08,159
financial reports for the period ending

1977
01:18:08,159 --> 01:18:12,239
July 31st, 2025. I am number 2520,

1978
01:18:12,239 --> 01:18:14,320
monthly financial reports for the period

1979
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:17,760
ending August 31st, 2025. I am number

1980
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:20,080
2521, which is the city of Wasilla's

1981
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:23,120
2026 holiday schedule. And lastly, item

1982
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:25,440
number 2522, the McGrath job

1983
01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:27,920
classification study report with two

1984
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:29,440
sets of commission meeting minutes

1985
01:18:29,440 --> 01:18:31,679
planning commission September 9 and

1986
01:18:31,679 --> 01:18:36,950
October 14, 2025.

1987
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:38,800
We are now at audience comments, which

1988
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:40,480
is a time for members of the public to

1989
01:18:40,480 --> 01:18:42,159
share their views with the council. This

1990
01:18:42,159 --> 01:18:44,960
is not a question and answer period or a

1991
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:46,800
time for dialogue. Speakers may be

1992
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:48,880
referred to administrations or issues

1993
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:50,960
raised may be taken under advisement for

1994
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:57,590
council or administration.

1995
01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:01,360
No takers. We are now at mayor clerk

1996
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:03,199
attorney and council comments. Madame

1997
01:19:03,199 --> 01:19:05,840
clerk. Thank you. I do council if we

1998
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:08,159
could pick a couple dates. I had sent

1999
01:19:08,159 --> 01:19:11,120
out an email. Um, our finance department

2000
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:13,120
through the mayor is looking for two

2001
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:16,400
4-hour sessions in January to kick off

2002
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:19,040
our budget season. I thought maybe

2003
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:21,679
weekdays from 10 to 2, but I don't know.

2004
01:19:21,679 --> 01:19:23,280
I just want council. I don't know what

2005
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:27,199
your schedules are. Um, so I'll turn it

2006
01:19:27,199 --> 01:19:30,719
over to whoever. Councilman Graham.

2007
01:19:30,719 --> 01:19:33,750
>> Thank you. Uh

2008
01:19:33,750 --> 01:19:33,760
» Thank you. Uh

2009
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:37,920
I don't think the 4hour sessions

2010
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:40,400
uh give council adequate time to

2011
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:42,719
prepare. The administration has a habit

2012
01:19:42,719 --> 01:19:45,440
of giving us a ton of information at the

2013
01:19:45,440 --> 01:19:48,159
last minute which is essentially forcing

2014
01:19:48,159 --> 01:19:50,080
us to make decisions on things where we

2015
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:52,640
haven't had adequate time uh to study

2016
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:55,360
and prepare. So I would go back I would

2017
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:57,040
recommend that we go back to the mayor

2018
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:58,880
and say break this up into two-hour

2019
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:01,600
sessions. Make sure that you provide us

2020
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:05,040
uh information, you know, a minimum, I

2021
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:06,800
mean, complete information, none of this

2022
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:08,560
last minute laid on the table kind of

2023
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:10,239
stuff. Give us complete information for

2024
01:20:10,239 --> 01:20:12,719
the meeting so we have time to study and

2025
01:20:12,719 --> 01:20:15,440
be able to ask reasonable questions and

2026
01:20:15,440 --> 01:20:18,159
make informed decisions regarding the

2027
01:20:18,159 --> 01:20:22,000
budget of the city. So, I uh I don't

2028
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,560
agree with the idea of 4-hour meetings

2029
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:26,960
and therefore I don't suggest any dates

2030
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:29,120
for those.

2031
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:30,320
Councilman Craftton.

2032
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:32,550
>> Thank you. Uh

2033
01:20:32,550 --> 01:20:32,560
» Thank you. Uh

2034
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:34,400
I'm kind of in line with m what Mr.

2035
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:36,480
Graham was saying. Uh my concern is just

2036
01:20:36,480 --> 01:20:38,159
four hours is a long time in the middle

2037
01:20:38,159 --> 01:20:41,679
of the day. Uh I I understand that these

2038
01:20:41,679 --> 01:20:44,000
meetings are not generally attended by

2039
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:47,040
the uh by the public, but I still think

2040
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:48,960
the opportunity for them to attend is

2041
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:51,199
better done in the evening time. That's

2042
01:20:51,199 --> 01:20:53,600
when we usually do the meetings. And uh

2043
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:55,440
I mean we could do a Saturday, but we've

2044
01:20:55,440 --> 01:20:57,360
done a 5 hour Saturday meeting and it's

2045
01:20:57,360 --> 01:20:59,360
I mean that's just grueling to do. It's

2046
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:02,080
too long of a day. Uh my thought would

2047
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:05,360
be uh I liked the 3 hours. Uh I think 3

2048
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:07,120
hours was long enough that we could get

2049
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:10,159
through enough uh information but not so

2050
01:21:10,159 --> 01:21:14,159
long that uh it it was burdensome on us.

2051
01:21:14,159 --> 01:21:15,840
I think about about that 2 and 1 half

2052
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:17,520
hour three hour mark we're all tired

2053
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:19,679
anyways. So I I mean I would think if we

2054
01:21:19,679 --> 01:21:21,360
did two three hours and then if we

2055
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:22,960
needed the additional two hours on a

2056
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:24,480
third day we could because the mayor

2057
01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:27,120
asked for eight hours. Uh that would be

2058
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:29,520
something I'd a little bit be a be a

2059
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:31,520
little bit more okay with um in that

2060
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:32,960
sense. But I do like what Mr. Graham

2061
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:34,080
said about making sure we're getting

2062
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:36,320
that information early enough because

2063
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:39,600
again uh it's a lot to digest and uh

2064
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:40,960
usually those are the types of things

2065
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:42,960
I'm reading two if not three times

2066
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:44,480
before meeting. So making sure we're

2067
01:21:44,480 --> 01:21:46,000
getting it ahead of time and not four

2068
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:49,360
o'clock before meeting would be great

2069
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:50,870
>> through the chair to the through the

2070
01:21:50,870 --> 01:21:50,880
» through the chair to the through the

2071
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:53,520
chair to the council. Then would the

2072
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:56,000
group be immunable to three three-hour

2073
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:58,159
evening meetings maybe on Mondays and

2074
01:21:58,159 --> 01:22:00,480
then we'll use our same packet deadline?

2075
01:22:00,480 --> 01:22:02,000
We'll ensure that you have your packets

2076
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:04,400
5 days ahead of time which is our

2077
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:05,360
standard.

2078
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:07,590
>> I I would think that's a good idea.

2079
01:22:07,590 --> 01:22:07,600
» I I would think that's a good idea.

2080
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:11,030
Thank you.

2081
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:12,880
» Okay. Are there any dates that don't

2082
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:16,239
work for anybody? They're completely off

2083
01:22:16,239 --> 01:22:17,760
the table.

2084
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:19,990
>> I would prefer not Thursday nights.

2085
01:22:19,990 --> 01:22:20,000
» I would prefer not Thursday nights.

2086
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:22,629
>> Okay.

2087
01:22:22,629 --> 01:22:22,639
» Okay.

2088
01:22:22,639 --> 01:22:24,709
>> I like the idea of Mondays, even though

2089
01:22:24,709 --> 01:22:24,719
» I like the idea of Mondays, even though

2090
01:22:24,719 --> 01:22:26,560
we would be scheduling Monday after

2091
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:28,239
Monday after Monday, but I mean, we're

2092
01:22:28,239 --> 01:22:29,920
kind of used to being here on Mondays

2093
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:32,400
and the folks that attend the meetings

2094
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:34,080
are used to being here on Mondays. I

2095
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:36,000
think it fits into everybody's schedule

2096
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:38,719
reasonably well.

2097
01:22:38,719 --> 01:22:40,639
So through the through the chair. So

2098
01:22:40,639 --> 01:22:42,800
that le So we have two Monday council

2099
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:44,880
meetings in January, the 12th and the

2100
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:47,199
26th. I'm not sure through the

2101
01:22:47,199 --> 01:22:49,600
administration we could make a January

2102
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:52,080
5th meeting. So that actually only

2103
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:54,239
leaves us one meeting in January on the

2104
01:22:54,239 --> 01:22:58,310
19th.

2105
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:00,159
» I I would almost prefer these to be

2106
01:23:00,159 --> 01:23:02,480
backtoback. And I know that sometimes is

2107
01:23:02,480 --> 01:23:05,760
a lot, but again, it's sometimes this

2108
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:08,639
information is easily digestible

2109
01:23:08,639 --> 01:23:11,199
uh when they're back to back like that,

2110
01:23:11,199 --> 01:23:13,280
but also also at the same time it goes

2111
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:15,440
back to what happens at one meeting. You

2112
01:23:15,440 --> 01:23:17,199
got to a day is not always enough to

2113
01:23:17,199 --> 01:23:18,400
think about it. So it' almost be good to

2114
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:20,400
have two meetings back to back and then

2115
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:23,520
the third final one on a different day.

2116
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:26,159
Would the how does the 19th and the

2117
01:23:26,159 --> 01:23:29,679
20th? So that's um Monday and Tuesday

2118
01:23:29,679 --> 01:23:32,719
and then maybe the 28th Wednesday the

2119
01:23:32,719 --> 01:23:38,470
28th.

2120
01:23:38,480 --> 01:23:40,480
» I would prefer not to do backtoback just

2121
01:23:40,480 --> 01:23:42,560
because of the homework time that's

2122
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:44,239
involved there. I have no objections to

2123
01:23:44,239 --> 01:23:46,800
two meetings in a week, but spread them

2124
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:50,960
out. And since it is, you know, uh

2125
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:52,400
setting the budget is the primary

2126
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:54,480
responsible responsibility that the

2127
01:23:54,480 --> 01:23:56,560
council has during the year, I wouldn't

2128
01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:58,560
object to even doing a Friday meeting or

2129
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:01,840
a Saturday meeting to uh you know to

2130
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:04,159
make that work. But I think when you put

2131
01:24:04,159 --> 01:24:06,639
two meetings back to back and you don't

2132
01:24:06,639 --> 01:24:08,639
have that time in between to study and

2133
01:24:08,639 --> 01:24:10,800
reflect on what happened on Monday

2134
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:12,400
before you're making decisions on

2135
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:15,520
Tuesday, I I I don't know. I I just

2136
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:18,000
don't think it sets us up for the most

2137
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:19,920
effective decision making.

2138
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:21,669
>> What What if we did a Monday, Wednesday,

2139
01:24:21,669 --> 01:24:21,679
» What What if we did a Monday, Wednesday,

2140
01:24:21,679 --> 01:24:24,560
Friday then?

2141
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:26,709
>> Or we How about if we did the 19th,

2142
01:24:26,709 --> 01:24:26,719
» Or we How about if we did the 19th,

2143
01:24:26,719 --> 01:24:29,520
which is a Monday, Wednesday the 21st,

2144
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:35,270
and Wednesday the 28th?

2145
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:36,239
No objection.

2146
01:24:36,239 --> 01:24:38,310
>> I think that's okay.

2147
01:24:38,310 --> 01:24:38,320
» I think that's okay.

2148
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:43,030
>> Mr. Johnson, does that work for you?

2149
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:45,120
» Okay, I believe that's going to work.

2150
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:46,320
I'm going to work with the

2151
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:48,080
administration to make that happen and

2152
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:49,920
we will for sure have that packet to you

2153
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:51,600
5 days ahead of time, which is our

2154
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:52,560
standard rule.

2155
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:53,830
>> Real quick here, sorry you're looking at

2156
01:24:53,830 --> 01:24:53,840
» Real quick here, sorry you're looking at

2157
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:55,520
the calendar. Monday the 19th is Martin

2158
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:57,120
Luther King Day. Does that affect us at

2159
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:57,520
all?

2160
01:24:57,520 --> 01:24:59,110
>> Does not. Okay. It's not a city

2161
01:24:59,110 --> 01:24:59,120
» Does not. Okay. It's not a city

2162
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:00,960
recognized holiday, but thank you for

2163
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:04,080
that. And then um so okay, so we're

2164
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:05,920
going to go with the 19th, the 21st, and

2165
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:08,400
the 28th. We'll start there. Um your

2166
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:11,440
travel packets to AML were passed out.

2167
01:25:11,440 --> 01:25:13,760
Join us this Friday. Employee holiday

2168
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:16,080
lunchon 11:30 to 2. We'd love to see you

2169
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:18,719
there. And then next regular meeting

2170
01:25:18,719 --> 01:25:20,960
after tonight is December 15th. And

2171
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:22,800
that's all I have. Happy Thanksgiving to

2172
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:25,120
everybody.

2173
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:28,149
>> Thank you, Madana Attorney.

2174
01:25:28,149 --> 01:25:28,159
» Thank you, Madana Attorney.

2175
01:25:28,159 --> 01:25:30,239
No comment.

2176
01:25:30,239 --> 01:25:33,510
>> Council member Graham.

2177
01:25:33,510 --> 01:25:33,520
» Council member Graham.

2178
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:35,189
>> Thank you, Madam Deputy Mayor. First,

2179
01:25:35,189 --> 01:25:35,199
» Thank you, Madam Deputy Mayor. First,

2180
01:25:35,199 --> 01:25:36,800
thanks everybody for being here. I know

2181
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:38,239
some of you are regulars and some of you

2182
01:25:38,239 --> 01:25:39,600
are not, but it's always great to have

2183
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:41,840
people here and and to get input, even

2184
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:44,560
if that input just includes scowls from

2185
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:46,320
the from the gallery. So, that's it's

2186
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:49,440
always good to get that. uh said a

2187
01:25:49,440 --> 01:25:51,360
couple things

2188
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:55,189
uh

2189
01:25:55,199 --> 01:25:57,679
to talk about. You know, number one, I

2190
01:25:57,679 --> 01:25:59,520
just have a question. The city was a

2191
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:02,560
holiday schedule. I mean, the our

2192
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:04,800
contracts with the union say that we'll

2193
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:07,760
observe these holidays, but does it say

2194
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:11,199
on what dates we will do that? uh you

2195
01:26:11,199 --> 01:26:13,199
know because you know some of the dates

2196
01:26:13,199 --> 01:26:14,639
on the holiday schedule you know the

2197
01:26:14,639 --> 01:26:16,320
holidays on a Saturday so we're going to

2198
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:19,040
observe it on a Monday or or so on does

2199
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:21,600
do our contracts

2200
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:25,199
specify that if the if the published

2201
01:26:25,199 --> 01:26:27,760
holiday you know falls on a certain date

2202
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:29,520
that it would happen on a Monday or

2203
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:32,560
happen on a Friday or or the reason I'm

2204
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:34,320
asking is purely informational because

2205
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:36,639
for future contracts you know I mean if

2206
01:26:36,639 --> 01:26:39,920
July the 4th is on a Saturday uh Why not

2207
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:42,480
give the employees a floating holiday to

2208
01:26:42,480 --> 01:26:44,000
cover the July 4th because they're not

2209
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:45,760
going to be here on the holiday day

2210
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:48,960
anyway? I mean, it's just an added

2211
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:50,960
flexibility for employees. Do you do we

2212
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:53,840
know the answer of whether that's

2213
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:55,990
>> something like that might be permissible

2214
01:26:55,990 --> 01:26:56,000
» something like that might be permissible

2215
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:58,080
through negotiation or

2216
01:26:58,080 --> 01:26:59,189
>> through the chair to council member

2217
01:26:59,189 --> 01:26:59,199
» through the chair to council member

2218
01:26:59,199 --> 01:27:00,560
Graham? I don't I mean I think

2219
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:02,800
anything's open for negotiation. It's my

2220
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:05,280
understanding is that the union

2221
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:07,280
contracts in terms of our standard

2222
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:09,120
holidays follow the code. So if the

2223
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:11,040
holiday is on a Saturday, we have we're

2224
01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:13,600
closed on Friday. If it's on sun if it's

2225
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:16,560
on a Sunday, we're closed on Monday.

2226
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:18,470
>> Okay. So you believe that is the code?

2227
01:27:18,470 --> 01:27:18,480
» Okay. So you believe that is the code?

2228
01:27:18,480 --> 01:27:19,189
>> I understand.

2229
01:27:19,189 --> 01:27:19,199
» I understand.

2230
01:27:19,199 --> 01:27:20,470
>> Okay. Thank you. That's very

2231
01:27:20,470 --> 01:27:20,480
» Okay. Thank you. That's very

2232
01:27:20,480 --> 01:27:21,360
informative.

2233
01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:23,430
>> I guess if that is untrue, we I'll send

2234
01:27:23,430 --> 01:27:23,440
» I guess if that is untrue, we I'll send

2235
01:27:23,440 --> 01:27:23,840
an email.

2236
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:25,910
>> Oh, no. I'm I'm I'm trying to find out

2237
01:27:25,910 --> 01:27:25,920
» Oh, no. I'm I'm I'm trying to find out

2238
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:27,840
here. No one knows the code like the

2239
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:30,239
clerk. That's for sure. So, uh, the

2240
01:27:30,239 --> 01:27:34,000
other thing I I need to come back to is

2241
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:36,480
IM218,

2242
01:27:36,480 --> 01:27:39,199
uh, which is Lake Lucille Park

2243
01:27:39,199 --> 01:27:41,360
playground removal.

2244
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:43,840
You read through this IM,

2245
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:45,360
uh, and if you look at the whole thing,

2246
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:48,159
you can see that an inspection was

2247
01:27:48,159 --> 01:27:51,040
completed on or prior to the 1st of

2248
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:56,159
September. Okay. Uh the uh removal of

2249
01:27:56,159 --> 01:27:58,159
the equipment from the park happened on

2250
01:27:58,159 --> 01:28:01,440
October 22nd and here we are a month

2251
01:28:01,440 --> 01:28:04,639
later informing the city council that

2252
01:28:04,639 --> 01:28:07,679
city assets have been uh destroyed or

2253
01:28:07,679 --> 01:28:11,440
disposed of. Uh I find that completely

2254
01:28:11,440 --> 01:28:12,960
unacceptable.

2255
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:15,520
Completely unacceptable. If the if the

2256
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:17,120
inspection comes forward and says, "Hey,

2257
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:20,000
we got a problem here." uh you know, and

2258
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:22,480
we're going to have to remove or destroy

2259
01:28:22,480 --> 01:28:24,400
some city equipment, then come to the

2260
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:25,760
council and say, "Hey, we need to do

2261
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:27,920
this." Don't send us an IM a couple

2262
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:30,560
months later saying, "Oh, by the way, uh

2263
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:32,719
we decided to, you know, destroy a

2264
01:28:32,719 --> 01:28:34,560
parking lot that that we built or in

2265
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:37,280
this case, uh, you know, take out some

2266
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:40,880
playground equipment that appears to

2267
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:43,040
have been, you know, not have been

2268
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:45,520
inspected very well over time. So, I'm

2269
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:47,040
assuming that we've fixed the problem of

2270
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:48,800
in, you know, inspection and we're

2271
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:50,239
talking about a parks plan and things

2272
01:28:50,239 --> 01:28:52,560
like that. But, you know, city council

2273
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:55,040
needs to be advised when city property

2274
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:57,280
is going to be intentionally disposed of

2275
01:28:57,280 --> 01:29:00,880
or destroyed. Uh there's no uh there's

2276
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:02,480
no fault in saying, "Hey, we got a

2277
01:29:02,480 --> 01:29:04,800
problem here. We need to fix it." Uh and

2278
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:06,480
that temporary fix that we're proposing

2279
01:29:06,480 --> 01:29:09,520
is to remove it. But to do it without

2280
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:11,199
advising the city council, which

2281
01:29:11,199 --> 01:29:12,560
essentially means you haven't advised

2282
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:14,480
the public, I I think is completely

2283
01:29:14,480 --> 01:29:17,760
inappropriate. And I've been by the uh

2284
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:20,560
Lake Lucille uh park where the

2285
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:22,080
playground was removed. There's no sign

2286
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:23,600
there that says, "Hey, we removed this

2287
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:25,600
stuff because it was unsafe." There's

2288
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:27,280
still signs there that say, "Hey, you

2289
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:29,199
know, playing here is you do at your own

2290
01:29:29,199 --> 01:29:30,800
risk and there may be hazards and things

2291
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:32,800
like that, but there's no equipment to

2292
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:36,080
play on." So I I I just am very

2293
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:38,800
uncomfortable with the way that this uh

2294
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:40,560
uh happened and I hope in the future

2295
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:44,480
that that we will uh make sure that the

2296
01:29:44,480 --> 01:29:46,719
city council is advised when we're going

2297
01:29:46,719 --> 01:29:50,400
to uh you know either uh you know have

2298
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:52,400
some sort of non-rine destruction or

2299
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:55,600
propose or destruction or disposal of

2300
01:29:55,600 --> 01:30:00,000
city property. Um see uh the and the

2301
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:04,159
last uh thing I I have city business

2302
01:30:04,159 --> 01:30:07,679
here comes back to the agenda and I'm

2303
01:30:07,679 --> 01:30:09,360
going to look at the attorney when I say

2304
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:12,239
this. I mean the agenda was set you know

2305
01:30:12,239 --> 01:30:16,560
uh almost two weeks ago. Okay. Uh and

2306
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:19,120
then the agenda was given to the city

2307
01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:21,520
council on Wednesday which is 5 days

2308
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:25,280
ago. And today we get your 15page

2309
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:28,880
PowerPoint. Uh,

2310
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:31,760
I'm sorry that I I don't find that as as

2311
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:33,440
being good business practice. Give me

2312
01:30:33,440 --> 01:30:35,600
that PowerPoint 5 days out so I can look

2313
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:37,120
through it. I can study it and I can

2314
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:39,600
come up with questions. I mean, I truly

2315
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:41,040
appreciate the fact that you're reading

2316
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:42,960
a PowerPoint to me that I can read all

2317
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:46,480
by myself. But, uh, for those that

2318
01:30:46,480 --> 01:30:48,320
didn't have the opportunity, you know,

2319
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:49,760
and I've been on council for a long

2320
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:51,840
time, so you're not telling me anything

2321
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:55,199
new, but there are questions there. And

2322
01:30:55,199 --> 01:30:58,159
for people that, you know, uh, you know,

2323
01:30:58,159 --> 01:31:00,639
have questions, they should be able to

2324
01:31:00,639 --> 01:31:02,639
be prepared to ask those questions

2325
01:31:02,639 --> 01:31:05,280
because they've looked at it, uh, prior

2326
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:08,080
to the meeting, you know, not just show

2327
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:09,920
up and sitting on my desk there's a

2328
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:13,120
15page, you know, word intensive

2329
01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:15,840
PowerPoint. Uh, you know, I I I just

2330
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:17,760
don't think that was, you know, I

2331
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:19,440
appreciate the training. It's required

2332
01:31:19,440 --> 01:31:21,280
by the code, but I I think there's a

2333
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:23,360
better way to do that. That's just a

2334
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:25,270
>> personal opinion there

2335
01:31:25,270 --> 01:31:25,280
» personal opinion there

2336
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:26,470
>> through the chair to council member

2337
01:31:26,470 --> 01:31:26,480
» through the chair to council member

2338
01:31:26,480 --> 01:31:30,320
Graham. I continue to hear hear what I

2339
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:32,880
will do is information and it's not the

2340
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:35,840
city attorney a lot of times director we

2341
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:38,239
we get powerpoints because there is no

2342
01:31:38,239 --> 01:31:40,719
action to be taken we do get them later

2343
01:31:40,719 --> 01:31:42,880
if I don't have a powerpoint when the

2344
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:44,560
packet closes I will just work to

2345
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:46,480
reschedu that then

2346
01:31:46,480 --> 01:31:49,430
>> I I think that would be most helpful

2347
01:31:49,430 --> 01:31:49,440
» I I think that would be most helpful

2348
01:31:49,440 --> 01:31:52,400
because it allows the council to study

2349
01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:54,159
whatever it is that's coming up and have

2350
01:31:54,159 --> 01:31:55,360
reasonable questions

2351
01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:56,070
>> I'm going to [clears throat] say

2352
01:31:56,070 --> 01:31:56,080
» I'm going to [clears throat] say

2353
01:31:56,080 --> 01:31:58,000
something and I'm really sorry if this

2354
01:31:58,000 --> 01:31:59,280
impacts the way that you see my

2355
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:01,520
performance. When I prepare a

2356
01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:03,360
PowerPoint, I do it to prepare myself

2357
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:05,679
for the presentation. I provide you the

2358
01:32:05,679 --> 01:32:07,520
PowerPoint because I think it's a great

2359
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:09,440
resource. I don't provide it as

2360
01:32:09,440 --> 01:32:11,600
something to study before the the

2361
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:14,239
presentation. We are very busy and

2362
01:32:14,239 --> 01:32:17,040
predominantly with projects all very

2363
01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:18,719
important. When I do a 30 minute

2364
01:32:18,719 --> 01:32:21,679
training, the likelihood of me preparing

2365
01:32:21,679 --> 01:32:23,679
that over a week ahead of time and

2366
01:32:23,679 --> 01:32:26,159
creating a PowerPoint for your

2367
01:32:26,159 --> 01:32:28,880
digestion, I just I I will try to do

2368
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:32,560
that, but I that's just not how I

2369
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:35,760
do a presentation as opposed to say a

2370
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:38,080
PowerPoint like some of the title 16

2371
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:40,960
PowerPoints. Sometimes those PowerPoints

2372
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:43,840
are designed to be coordinated with with

2373
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:46,400
like documents. So, we'll have handouts

2374
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:49,520
and attachments and worksheets and a

2375
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:51,360
PowerPoint that's that goes with a

2376
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:54,639
manual when we do like a 4hour session.

2377
01:32:54,639 --> 01:32:56,719
Those usually I will absolutely make

2378
01:32:56,719 --> 01:32:59,360
sure those those can be in the packet.

2379
01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:01,600
And it is but I just I hear the clerk

2380
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:03,199
saying she'll reschedule if there's not

2381
01:33:03,199 --> 01:33:05,920
a PowerPoint in your packet.

2382
01:33:05,920 --> 01:33:07,760
I just I'm I'm telling you the reason

2383
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:10,080
why I prepared that PowerPoint was to

2384
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:12,800
help me talk to you today and I give you

2385
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:14,560
a copy of that PowerPoint so you could

2386
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:16,639
basically get a copy of my notes. It's

2387
01:33:16,639 --> 01:33:19,280
not so that you can be prepared by

2388
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:22,400
reading the PowerPoint ahead of time.

2389
01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:24,470
>> Well, if if I may suggest, Madam

2390
01:33:24,470 --> 01:33:24,480
» Well, if if I may suggest, Madam

2391
01:33:24,480 --> 01:33:26,639
Attorney, if that's the point, just send

2392
01:33:26,639 --> 01:33:28,719
us a cassette tape with the training on

2393
01:33:28,719 --> 01:33:30,880
it. And you know, I mean, the whole idea

2394
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:32,639
is for us to be able to look at that and

2395
01:33:32,639 --> 01:33:35,440
say, you know, why,

2396
01:33:35,440 --> 01:33:36,800
you know, why is this thing in there

2397
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:38,560
about tips? Why is this why is it

2398
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:42,000
$1,000? Why is, you know, is for us to

2399
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:45,280
learn from it. Uh, you know, this is,

2400
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:49,280
you know, not not to just uh have you

2401
01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:51,199
give us information, but to have you

2402
01:33:51,199 --> 01:33:52,719
give us information that will stick with

2403
01:33:52,719 --> 01:33:54,880
us and make us better public officials.

2404
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:57,280
So you don't take it as a personal

2405
01:33:57,280 --> 01:33:59,840
comment but as a but as an instructor

2406
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:02,400
you know someone who has uh you know

2407
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:05,199
considerable and and con experience in

2408
01:34:05,199 --> 01:34:07,920
instruction can tell you uh you know if

2409
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:09,280
if you're just going to stand in front

2410
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:11,280
of somebody and talk you know 80% of

2411
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:13,199
what you tell them is gone by the time

2412
01:34:13,199 --> 01:34:14,960
your presentation is done. Whereas if

2413
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:16,880
they're prepared you know which is why

2414
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:18,320
teachers give homework you know read

2415
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:19,679
chapter one and then we're going to talk

2416
01:34:19,679 --> 01:34:22,560
about chapter one tomorrow. Uh that's

2417
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:24,880
you know that's the whole idea is is to

2418
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:27,280
better prepare and have better retention

2419
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:29,600
but that's my personal thing which has

2420
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:31,199
doesn't reflect the view of the council.

2421
01:34:31,199 --> 01:34:32,800
Let me make sure make that clear so I

2422
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:34,400
don't have an ethics violation here. So

2423
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:38,560
but [laughter] but but anyway I would

2424
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:40,639
find that very handy. You're going to do

2425
01:34:40,639 --> 01:34:42,080
the PowerPoint anyway.

2426
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:44,070
>> Maybe I think for now on I might not do

2427
01:34:44,070 --> 01:34:44,080
» Maybe I think for now on I might not do

2428
01:34:44,080 --> 01:34:45,760
them because I I mean I'm torn on

2429
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:48,239
powerpoints. It sounds like I believe

2430
01:34:48,239 --> 01:34:50,239
that powerpoints detract attention from

2431
01:34:50,239 --> 01:34:52,239
the words that you're saying a lot of

2432
01:34:52,239 --> 01:34:54,239
times and people get focused on right.

2433
01:34:54,239 --> 01:34:56,639
So that's the pro and con. So it might

2434
01:34:56,639 --> 01:34:59,920
be that you a better a well-prepared

2435
01:34:59,920 --> 01:35:02,000
powerpoint that isn't just a lot of

2436
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:06,000
words and you know pointing to the code

2437
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:07,600
would meet what you're asking for

2438
01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:09,679
council member Graham better and that

2439
01:35:09,679 --> 01:35:11,280
would be something to be prepared and

2440
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:13,440
submitted in the packet as a real tool

2441
01:35:13,440 --> 01:35:15,360
for council. And when we're doing

2442
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:18,239
trainings like this one, I think maybe a

2443
01:35:18,239 --> 01:35:20,480
worksheet where we're interactive and

2444
01:35:20,480 --> 01:35:21,520
we're working through some of the

2445
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:23,679
provisions might fit better as opposed

2446
01:35:23,679 --> 01:35:26,719
to a PowerPoint that we lay down on the

2447
01:35:26,719 --> 01:35:29,840
table. So, I'll I'll talk to clerk and

2448
01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:31,920
we'll figure out how to

2449
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:33,830
>> and that'd be great. My my biggest

2450
01:35:33,830 --> 01:35:33,840
» and that'd be great. My my biggest

2451
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:36,239
concern is that we actually get training

2452
01:35:36,239 --> 01:35:38,639
out of it instead of just, you know,

2453
01:35:38,639 --> 01:35:40,800
saying, "Yeah, we checked that box." So,

2454
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:44,080
thank you. Uh

2455
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:46,880
um I think that's it for tonight. Madame

2456
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:48,960
Deputy Mayor, thank you.

2457
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:51,510
>> Council member Craftton.

2458
01:35:51,510 --> 01:35:51,520
» Council member Craftton.

2459
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:54,790
>> Thank you, Dep Madame Deputy Mayor. Um

2460
01:35:54,790 --> 01:35:54,800
» Thank you, Dep Madame Deputy Mayor. Um

2461
01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:56,320
Stu took a couple things, but I did want

2462
01:35:56,320 --> 01:35:59,120
to mention them as well. Uh the the

2463
01:35:59,120 --> 01:36:02,560
first was the park um situation. I agree

2464
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:04,960
wholeheartedly about the fact that we

2465
01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:06,800
just learned about this this last week

2466
01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:10,239
when we got this agenda. Um, I mean I I

2467
01:36:10,239 --> 01:36:11,520
would have a question for the clerk or

2468
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:13,679
the attorney. I mean, is this something

2469
01:36:13,679 --> 01:36:15,920
that we could I mean we can't write the

2470
01:36:15,920 --> 01:36:18,639
policy, but do we need to codify what

2471
01:36:18,639 --> 01:36:20,880
has to be communicated to the council

2472
01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:24,719
basically as soon as possible? I mean,

2473
01:36:24,719 --> 01:36:25,920
this is something that could have ended

2474
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:28,480
up in an email saying, "Hey, this is

2475
01:36:28,480 --> 01:36:30,960
what we're doing. Heads up." I mean,

2476
01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:33,280
look across the street. That ended up in

2477
01:36:33,280 --> 01:36:35,920
an email after the fact again. But

2478
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:38,960
still, it I've talked with the mayor or

2479
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:40,560
not mayor, excuse me, the clerk about

2480
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:42,800
this and I always say too, like I don't

2481
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:45,600
want to codify something that might end

2482
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:47,600
up binding a future mayor because every

2483
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:49,119
mayor is a little different. They have

2484
01:36:49,119 --> 01:36:52,320
strengths and weaknesses and the current

2485
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:54,639
administration, I should say more so,

2486
01:36:54,639 --> 01:36:56,159
just seems to not communicate some of

2487
01:36:56,159 --> 01:36:58,560
these things to us. And so I don't want

2488
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:01,360
to feel like the next mayor has to do

2489
01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:02,719
certain things if they're okay with

2490
01:37:02,719 --> 01:37:04,960
doing or they have a certain style or I

2491
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:06,639
mean things that happen with uh with our

2492
01:37:06,639 --> 01:37:09,040
police department too. Same thing. Uh I

2493
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:10,400
feel like there are certain times that

2494
01:37:10,400 --> 01:37:12,560
the council should be communicated with

2495
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:14,560
uh about what's happening city

2496
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:16,159
business-wise. So we're not learning

2497
01:37:16,159 --> 01:37:18,639
about it on Facebook. And whenever a

2498
01:37:18,639 --> 01:37:20,960
constituent calls us up and says, "Hey,

2499
01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:22,480
I have questions about this." And we

2500
01:37:22,480 --> 01:37:24,480
have to go, "I have no idea what you're

2501
01:37:24,480 --> 01:37:26,000
talking about." I mean, it's our job to

2502
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:27,520
be informed and be the ones

2503
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:29,600
communicating it to them, not the other

2504
01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:31,199
way around generally. [clears throat]

2505
01:37:31,199 --> 01:37:32,719
Don't get me wrong, I love hearing that

2506
01:37:32,719 --> 01:37:34,159
because again, that's how I also stay

2507
01:37:34,159 --> 01:37:35,360
informed. You can't keep up with

2508
01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:37,440
everything. So, I know it's kind of a

2509
01:37:37,440 --> 01:37:39,520
open-ended question and it isn't

2510
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:40,719
necessarily something that needs to be

2511
01:37:40,719 --> 01:37:42,480
answered right now, but maybe a future

2512
01:37:42,480 --> 01:37:44,880
conversation that we might have to have

2513
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:46,719
uh around communication with council

2514
01:37:46,719 --> 01:37:48,960
because again uh I can't remember the

2515
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:50,639
dates, but the fact that again it was a

2516
01:37:50,639 --> 01:37:52,239
month ago that it was taken out and this

2517
01:37:52,239 --> 01:37:54,159
is we just heard about it this past

2518
01:37:54,159 --> 01:37:57,679
week. Um

2519
01:37:57,679 --> 01:37:59,119
Mr. Graham also brought a point about

2520
01:37:59,119 --> 01:38:01,920
the the powerpoints. Um Holly, I'm just

2521
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:03,119
going to pick on you with it because

2522
01:38:03,119 --> 01:38:05,600
you're the one that did it tonight. Um,

2523
01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:07,119
I'll be honest, when when I get people

2524
01:38:07,119 --> 01:38:09,040
that start reading from a PowerPoint,

2525
01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:12,800
I'm gone. Like I'm I'm not I I just

2526
01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:14,560
again, it's the fact that I can read it

2527
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:17,360
and so I feel like I'm being read to and

2528
01:38:17,360 --> 01:38:19,440
I'm I'm I'm pulling up the code. I'm

2529
01:38:19,440 --> 01:38:21,760
looking at it. I I I do like the

2530
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:23,440
PowerPoints because I think it gives us

2531
01:38:23,440 --> 01:38:25,280
something to follow along with. I think

2532
01:38:25,280 --> 01:38:26,719
it gives the public something to follow

2533
01:38:26,719 --> 01:38:28,960
along with because I can guarantee you

2534
01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:30,320
80% of the people that show up here

2535
01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:31,920
aren't pulling the agenda and reading it

2536
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:33,600
and going through every line in detail

2537
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:36,400
like we are as as as a council. Uh so I

2538
01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:39,040
think it does it is helpful. I think

2539
01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:41,199
again condensing it. I actually just a

2540
01:38:41,199 --> 01:38:42,560
moment ago there was a book I read a

2541
01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:44,400
while back that that was the whole

2542
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:46,239
concept was learning not to read from

2543
01:38:46,239 --> 01:38:47,600
powerpoints and how to utilize

2544
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:50,719
powerpoints as as a way to uh convey

2545
01:38:50,719 --> 01:38:52,480
your ideas without having to read from

2546
01:38:52,480 --> 01:38:54,080
them. So, can't remember what the book

2547
01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:56,080
was, but again, I would like them, but I

2548
01:38:56,080 --> 01:38:57,520
agree with Mr. Graham. I'd like to see

2549
01:38:57,520 --> 01:39:00,159
them sooner so that again, I can take a

2550
01:39:00,159 --> 01:39:02,159
moment, digest it, and be ready to

2551
01:39:02,159 --> 01:39:04,239
actually discuss it and have questions.

2552
01:39:04,239 --> 01:39:05,920
Uh, instead of feeling like I'm

2553
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:08,480
constantly on the back foot, uh, and

2554
01:39:08,480 --> 01:39:10,880
then there was questions I had in here.

2555
01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:13,440
And again, because we had moved on and

2556
01:39:13,440 --> 01:39:15,119
felt like I was being read to, I just

2557
01:39:15,119 --> 01:39:16,320
went back there and was looking at back

2558
01:39:16,320 --> 01:39:17,760
and forth. I ended up answering my own

2559
01:39:17,760 --> 01:39:19,840
question. Uh, but still, I felt like I

2560
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:21,119
could have been prepared to ask those

2561
01:39:21,119 --> 01:39:23,679
questions ahead of time. Um, so yeah.

2562
01:39:23,679 --> 01:39:25,520
And then last thing, uh, Mr. Sterns

2563
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:26,560
actually came up to me before the

2564
01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:28,080
meeting and brought this up. Uh, this

2565
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:30,639
Saturday is Small Business Saturday, and

2566
01:39:30,639 --> 01:39:32,400
I was curious. I'm not sure who this

2567
01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:33,600
would go to, unfortunately, the mayor

2568
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:35,360
and Crystal Nygard's not here, but I

2569
01:39:35,360 --> 01:39:37,040
feel like it would be a good question. I

2570
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:40,320
believe the chamber does something for

2571
01:39:40,320 --> 01:39:41,760
small business Saturday where they

2572
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:43,360
announce, hey, these are all our small

2573
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:45,520
businesses. These are our retail ones.

2574
01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:48,159
Do we convey any information to them? Do

2575
01:39:48,159 --> 01:39:51,119
we assist them in any capacity to try

2576
01:39:51,119 --> 01:39:53,199
and say, "Hey, you know, these are some

2577
01:39:53,199 --> 01:39:55,760
small businesses in our our city here. I

2578
01:39:55,760 --> 01:39:57,679
understand that there's a fine balance

2579
01:39:57,679 --> 01:39:59,119
because we can't seem like we're

2580
01:39:59,119 --> 01:40:01,679
promoting certain businesses over other

2581
01:40:01,679 --> 01:40:04,159
ones." Um, but do we have any type of

2582
01:40:04,159 --> 01:40:08,080
joint effort with them on how we can

2583
01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:11,119
work to promote small businesses at all

2584
01:40:11,119 --> 01:40:13,760
or can we?

2585
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:15,119
Mr. Graham seems like you might want to

2586
01:40:15,119 --> 01:40:16,480
answer it, but go ahead Jamie if you

2587
01:40:16,480 --> 01:40:17,920
want to.

2588
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:20,400
I was I was just going to say Mr. what

2589
01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:22,239
much more suited to answer this but

2590
01:40:22,239 --> 01:40:24,560
because chamber is a a private organ a

2591
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:26,800
membership based organization I imagine

2592
01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:28,960
their role is to promote

2593
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:32,390
>> members of chamber but I don't know

2594
01:40:32,390 --> 01:40:32,400
» members of chamber but I don't know

2595
01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:34,310
>> the clerk is correct it is the role of

2596
01:40:34,310 --> 01:40:34,320
» the clerk is correct it is the role of

2597
01:40:34,320 --> 01:40:36,960
the chamber to to promote the community

2598
01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:39,600
in general and businesses in particular

2599
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:42,480
and for the past couple of years the

2600
01:40:42,480 --> 01:40:45,040
chamber has not

2601
01:40:45,040 --> 01:40:47,280
really actively promoted small business

2602
01:40:47,280 --> 01:40:50,000
Saturday in Palmer they do the chamber

2603
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:52,320
takes a different role there and tries

2604
01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:55,440
to bring people into Palmer to uh to

2605
01:40:55,440 --> 01:40:56,960
spend money, you know, which collects

2606
01:40:56,960 --> 01:40:59,679
sales tax of course, but uh the Wasilla

2607
01:40:59,679 --> 01:41:01,360
Chamber hasn't done that in the past.

2608
01:41:01,360 --> 01:41:03,679
Our our or hasn't done it in the last

2609
01:41:03,679 --> 01:41:06,400
couple of years. Our role, the city's

2610
01:41:06,400 --> 01:41:08,639
role in the last couple years has been

2611
01:41:08,639 --> 01:41:11,679
to uh sponsor activities that the

2612
01:41:11,679 --> 01:41:14,880
chamber does, but since they have no

2613
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:17,040
activity that I'm aware of for Small

2614
01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:18,719
Business Saturday, and there was no

2615
01:41:18,719 --> 01:41:20,480
opportunity for sponsorship or

2616
01:41:20,480 --> 01:41:23,280
promotion, the city did not fund

2617
01:41:23,280 --> 01:41:25,440
anything to that. Does that help, Mr. C?

2618
01:41:25,440 --> 01:41:27,430
>> It it helps. So, I guess my question

2619
01:41:27,430 --> 01:41:27,440
» It it helps. So, I guess my question

2620
01:41:27,440 --> 01:41:29,119
would be because I understand that maybe

2621
01:41:29,119 --> 01:41:32,080
a business doesn't want to be fully

2622
01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:34,320
publicized. So, I mean, is it a question

2623
01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:35,840
we could ask them of saying, "Hey, when

2624
01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:37,679
Small Business Saturday comes up, we

2625
01:41:37,679 --> 01:41:39,040
just want to publish a list that says

2626
01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:40,639
these are the small businesses inside

2627
01:41:40,639 --> 01:41:42,639
the city of Wasilla. We're not endorsing

2628
01:41:42,639 --> 01:41:44,159
them. We're not sponsoring them. We're

2629
01:41:44,159 --> 01:41:45,760
just telling you these are the retail

2630
01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:47,520
businesses. If you want to go shop,

2631
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:49,199
they're great." Because I mean, you'd be

2632
01:41:49,199 --> 01:41:50,960
surprised at how many small businesses

2633
01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:52,800
people don't know about because unless

2634
01:41:52,800 --> 01:41:55,440
you drive by them, you don't know a lot

2635
01:41:55,440 --> 01:41:56,719
of times or you're not in that little

2636
01:41:56,719 --> 01:42:00,000
niche. Is Is that a possibility that

2637
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:02,880
we're allowed to do?

2638
01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:04,639
And if there's no answer right now, then

2639
01:42:04,639 --> 01:42:06,960
that's fine. I mean, just food for

2640
01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:09,280
thought. I can get the answer later. I

2641
01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:10,960
see a lot of questioning face, confused

2642
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:12,800
faces, so I'll go with that. So, other

2643
01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:14,239
than that, uh, happy Thanksgiving,

2644
01:42:14,239 --> 01:42:15,840
everybody. It was a very good meeting.

2645
01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:17,600
Thank you all for staying here. I know

2646
01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:19,119
we're all here talking a lot tonight,

2647
01:42:19,119 --> 01:42:20,800
but I appreciate you all for appreciate

2648
01:42:20,800 --> 01:42:22,960
you all for staying and have a safe

2649
01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:24,719
Thanksgiving. And we'll see you guys

2650
01:42:24,719 --> 01:42:27,040
we'll see the council at AML uh for the

2651
01:42:27,040 --> 01:42:29,119
five of us going and the rest of you on

2652
01:42:29,119 --> 01:42:31,520
the 15th.

2653
01:42:31,520 --> 01:42:34,000
Council member Codle.

2654
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:37,189
>> Thank you, Madam Deputy Mayor. Um,

2655
01:42:37,189 --> 01:42:37,199
» Thank you, Madam Deputy Mayor. Um,

2656
01:42:37,199 --> 01:42:38,880
I'm not going to beat a dead horse with

2657
01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:41,760
the park equipment. Um, but I think we

2658
01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:43,280
can do better with communication. You

2659
01:42:43,280 --> 01:42:44,639
know, an ounce of prevention is worth a

2660
01:42:44,639 --> 01:42:47,280
pound of cure and nobody likes getting

2661
01:42:47,280 --> 01:42:50,239
beat up over issues. Um, I would have

2662
01:42:50,239 --> 01:42:51,840
had questions regarding some of this

2663
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:53,520
equipment before it was removed, but

2664
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:56,639
it's a it's a moot point now. Um, but I

2665
01:42:56,639 --> 01:42:58,239
think we can do better with with

2666
01:42:58,239 --> 01:43:00,880
communication and not only from

2667
01:43:00,880 --> 01:43:02,400
departments to us, but from us to

2668
01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:07,360
departments, too. So, um, Holly,

2669
01:43:07,360 --> 01:43:09,040
I I'm I'm just going to say thank you

2670
01:43:09,040 --> 01:43:11,131
for your training.

2671
01:43:11,131 --> 01:43:12,480
[laughter] We've all been through

2672
01:43:12,480 --> 01:43:14,320
training. Everybody here learns

2673
01:43:14,320 --> 01:43:16,239
differently.

2674
01:43:16,239 --> 01:43:19,600
Some are visual, some are a audio, you

2675
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:24,719
know. Um, and I it is the job of each

2676
01:43:24,719 --> 01:43:29,199
council member to know our ethics code,

2677
01:43:29,199 --> 01:43:32,480
but your trainings are good. And I think

2678
01:43:32,480 --> 01:43:34,159
that you can never have too much of

2679
01:43:34,159 --> 01:43:35,760
that. I have sat through, you know,

2680
01:43:35,760 --> 01:43:39,360
training here with the commissions and I

2681
01:43:39,360 --> 01:43:40,639
think it's always good to have the

2682
01:43:40,639 --> 01:43:42,320
refreshers no matter how they're

2683
01:43:42,320 --> 01:43:45,440
delivered. So, thank you. Um, and just

2684
01:43:45,440 --> 01:43:46,560
want to wish everybody happy

2685
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:49,590
Thanksgiving.

2686
01:43:49,600 --> 01:43:54,229
Council member Johnson.

2687
01:43:54,239 --> 01:43:56,800
» Yes. Thank you, uh, Deputy Mayor and

2688
01:43:56,800 --> 01:44:01,280
Council. Uh, I will choose to beat the

2689
01:44:01,280 --> 01:44:05,360
dead horse, but for a different reason.

2690
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:10,000
I was really disappointed with 2518.

2691
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:14,400
I have long complained on Nukem Park on

2692
01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:17,280
Iditarod Park and now we find Lucille

2693
01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:20,639
Park's equipment is not being

2694
01:44:20,639 --> 01:44:22,239
maintained.

2695
01:44:22,239 --> 01:44:24,560
My discouragement is the fact that we in

2696
01:44:24,560 --> 01:44:26,880
the city is not maintaining the stuff.

2697
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:29,280
Oh, then we find out that it's broken to

2698
01:44:29,280 --> 01:44:31,360
the point where we've got to re remove

2699
01:44:31,360 --> 01:44:35,920
it all together. This is unacceptable.

2700
01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:38,560
As far as training goes, I really love

2701
01:44:38,560 --> 01:44:41,520
training. I believe that the training

2702
01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:44,400
should be posted in a training folder

2703
01:44:44,400 --> 01:44:46,639
because this is not the first time that

2704
01:44:46,639 --> 01:44:49,199
we've had ethics training. And guess

2705
01:44:49,199 --> 01:44:52,400
what? It won't be the last. So why do we

2706
01:44:52,400 --> 01:44:55,119
have to recreate all of the powerpoints

2707
01:44:55,119 --> 01:44:58,800
every time by somebody? Maybe we update

2708
01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:01,119
them, but they should be online so we

2709
01:45:01,119 --> 01:45:03,679
all could review in ahead. So when we

2710
01:45:03,679 --> 01:45:05,679
see training is coming up, go to the

2711
01:45:05,679 --> 01:45:07,920
boulder and look at the training. Thank

2712
01:45:07,920 --> 01:45:10,639
you. Everybody has should have a nice

2713
01:45:10,639 --> 01:45:14,320
Thanksgiving. Goodbye,

2714
01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:17,430
>> Council Member Schmidt.

2715
01:45:17,430 --> 01:45:17,440
» Council Member Schmidt.

2716
01:45:17,440 --> 01:45:18,390
>> I [clears throat] want to say thank you

2717
01:45:18,390 --> 01:45:18,400
» I [clears throat] want to say thank you

2718
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:20,480
for the PowerPoint. I really enjoyed it.

2719
01:45:20,480 --> 01:45:22,400
Um, I did learn a few things on it

2720
01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:24,800
because I haven't sat through it myself

2721
01:45:24,800 --> 01:45:28,080
and uh do I do approve that and I am

2722
01:45:28,080 --> 01:45:30,560
glad we finally got through the uh

2723
01:45:30,560 --> 01:45:33,920
downtown overlay and got that removed.

2724
01:45:33,920 --> 01:45:35,920
Um, I think that was stifling to a lot

2725
01:45:35,920 --> 01:45:37,679
of our businesses here and the the

2726
01:45:37,679 --> 01:45:39,840
community and I think that was a huge

2727
01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:42,159
win for tonight. That's all I've got.

2728
01:45:42,159 --> 01:45:45,280
Happy Thanksgiving

2729
01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:47,189
>> and I'll bring it back to me. All right,

2730
01:45:47,189 --> 01:45:47,199
» and I'll bring it back to me. All right,

2731
01:45:47,199 --> 01:45:49,520
I got to end on a high note, joyful

2732
01:45:49,520 --> 01:45:52,719
note. Um, I dropped the puck at the Guns

2733
01:45:52,719 --> 01:45:55,920
and Hoses this last weekend and uh,

2734
01:45:55,920 --> 01:45:59,520
Scott, the Menard Center, it was packed.

2735
01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:02,639
It's beautiful. I like I found myself a

2736
01:46:02,639 --> 01:46:04,239
few times just sitting back and going,

2737
01:46:04,239 --> 01:46:05,760
"Wow."

2738
01:46:05,760 --> 01:46:08,639
Like, you've done an amazing job. Um,

2739
01:46:08,639 --> 01:46:10,880
that event was awesome, too. And then

2740
01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:12,400
I'm just going to say happy Thanksgiving

2741
01:46:12,400 --> 01:46:14,960
to everybody. And looking at the clock

2742
01:46:14,960 --> 01:46:16,480
with no further business at hand I'm

2743
01:46:16,480 --> 01:46:18,639
adjuring the meeting unless objection is

2744
01:46:18,639 --> 01:46:22,719
raised. No good reach for it. It was I

2745
01:46:22,719 --> 01:46:26,960
was hearing none. The media is a